[12:56] <ajmitch_> morning ogra
[12:56] <ogra> morning all
[12:57] <tseng> hi.
[01:13] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_, ogra, tseng
[03:47] <tseng> dholbach++
[03:48] <StoneTable> heard you guys are having a great time down there
[03:48] <tseng> you heard wrong
[03:49] <tseng> its totally shithouse
[03:49] <chmj> O.o
[03:49] <StoneTable> lol
[03:49] <tseng> kidding.
[03:49] <chmj> tseng, ?
[03:49] <ajmitch_> the food is getting to him
[03:50] <tseng> the food *is* shithouse
[03:50] <dholbach> oh come on
[03:50] <dholbach> don't be a sissy
[03:51] <ajmitch_> at least it's a barbeque tonight
[03:51] <dholbach> =>>>>    MaloneUniverseWishList
[03:51] <ajmitch_> we need to do our Pub BOF sometime
[03:51] <dholbach> we'll have a meeting with the malone guys in two weeks
[03:51] <tseng> dholbach: dude we did that on monday
[03:51] <tseng> oh.
[03:52] <dholbach> ALL OF US
[03:52] <dholbach> on IRC
[03:52] <ajmitch_> yeah, brad wants updates
[03:52] <tseng> we arent having a pub bof
[03:52] <dholbach> i will announce it on the list
[03:52] <tseng> it had to be yesterday
[03:52] <tseng> dholbach was being a sissy
[03:52] <dholbach> yes
[03:52] <dholbach> absolutely pathetic
[03:52] <ajmitch_> afternon, aka_daemon
[03:52] <aka_daemon> hi
[03:53] <aka_daemon> could anyone advice me where to best start reading about howto make packages for debian?
[03:54] <aka_daemon> I recently tried to make a mplayer package, but that didn't work out very well; some strange dependency errors?!
[03:54] <tseng> there is already an mplayer package.
[03:54] <dholbach> aka_daemon: the best way is actually to set up a pbuilder (wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) and trying to modify an existing one
[03:54] <dholbach> i.e. add a .desktop file
[03:54] <dholbach> the debian-policy or the new-maintainer guide is a bit scary
[03:54] <dholbach> but they're good
[03:54] <aka_daemon> but there are problems with that package: for some people the internal acc is broken
[03:55] <dholbach> for looking stuff up
[03:55] <aka_daemon> dholbach: i'll have a look at that..
[03:55] <tseng> do you have a patch?
[03:55] <tseng> its usually not our policy to make a whole new package to fix a bug
[03:55] <aka_daemon> I had a read at the new-maintainer guide.. didn't get too much :/
[03:56] <dholbach> aka_daemon: start with the existing package, use the pbuilder
[03:56] <aka_daemon> tseng: I'm new to the whole package business and yet haven't got a clue at all...
[03:56] <aka_daemon> Can't even build myself proper packages :/
[03:56] <tseng> well making a new package doesnt fix anything
[03:57] <dholbach> that's the best way to start, i feel
[03:57] <ajmitch_> provide a source package for us to review once you have something
[03:57] <tseng> what we need is a patch for the bug
[03:57] <aka_daemon> dholbach: I'll do that for a start..
[03:57] <ajmitch_> then we can give feedback
[03:57] <tseng> or at least a bug report
[03:57] <dholbach> aka_daemon: good one
[03:57] <aka_daemon> please, slow... :panic: ;)
[03:58] <aka_daemon> how would I be able to make a patch?
[03:58] <tseng> do you know how to fix the bug?
[03:59] <aka_daemon> tseng: yes, by installing mplayer from source ;)
[03:59] <aka_daemon> tseng: other then that: sorry, no.
[03:59] <dholbach> aka_daemon: wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips might be helpful as well, although it still lacks a bit of content
[03:59] <aka_daemon> I posted the issue on the user mailinglist..
[03:59] <aka_daemon> dholbach: thanks, I'll have a look there later..
[04:00] <aka_daemon> tseng: signal 11 decode_audio error was the error..
[04:00] <tseng> um.
[04:00] <aka_daemon> some internal stuff..
[04:01] <aka_daemon> ajmitch_: I don't even quite grasp the difference between source package and whatever...
[04:07] <aka_daemon> sry, having some problems with the irc connection..
[04:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: ping
[04:47] <tseng> ajmitch_: can you please change --with-tls=__thread on mono and upload again? i think it might fail on x86 now
[04:47] <tseng> ajmitch_: we can make it arch specific if we have to
[04:48] <tseng> bbiab
[04:50] <ajmitch_> ok
[04:51] <elmo> yeah, watch out, the proactive security folks are table invaders
[04:54] <tseng> elmo: cut them.
[05:16] <Amaranth> can anyone tell me what linda means when it says "File /home/travis/Projects/smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb failed to process: Format args for usr-lib-in-arch-all don't match Description. (0 vs 1)"?
[05:18] <dholbach> Amaranth: run lintian -i on it
[05:19] <Amaranth> lintian gives no errors
[05:19] <Amaranth> or warnings
[05:22] <dholbach> what about linda -v ?
[05:22] <dholbach> or linda -i
[05:23] <dholbach> linda -h  told me
[05:24] <Amaranth> nothing
[05:25] <Amaranth> i and v give me the same error, no extra information
[05:27] <dholbach> well what does it install in /usr/lib ?
[05:30] <Amaranth> /usr/lib/smeg/menu_handler.py and /usr/lib/smeg/dialogs.py
[06:40] <tseng> ajmitch_: ill give you a new rules file in a few minutes
[06:41] <ajmitch_> tseng: too late, it is t3h building
[06:41] <tseng> ajmitch_: ok.
[06:42] <tseng> ajmitch_: rock on.
[07:01] <ajmitch_> tseng: at least mono built on i386
[07:01] <tseng> ajmitch_: ok.
[07:02] <tseng> ajmitch_: can we try amd64 please
[07:02] <ajmitch_> sure, get me an amd64 box with bandwidth
[07:02] <ajmitch_> or I'll just upload it
[07:02] <tseng> uh
[07:02] <tseng> buildd
[07:02] <tseng> the only amd64 i have access to otherwise is gentoo
[07:02] <tseng> and nvidia donated to gentoo, so
[07:03] <tseng> ubuntu chroots wouldnt be appreciated if someone found it.
[07:03] <ajmitch_> heh
[07:03] <thom> mine's turned off currently; sorry
[07:03] <tseng> thom: the buildd is fine
[07:03] <tseng> thom: i can handle rejection if it fails
[07:03] <ajmitch_> btw mono doesn't rebuild cleanly - automated testing will catch it
[07:03] <tseng> and no one else is really using it
[07:03] <thom> tseng: *g*
[07:03] <ajmitch_> clean target is incomplete
[07:03] <tseng> ajmitch_: as in make clena?
[07:03] <tseng> i know
[07:05] <tseng> thats not pressing
[07:05] <tseng> the buildd could care less
[07:20] <ajmitch_> accepted, time to watch build logs
[07:20] <tseng> rock on.
[07:21] <ajmitch_> what are you editing now?
[07:21] <tseng> im not editing
[07:21] <ajmitch_> ok, just going to work on selinux then
[07:21] <tseng> ok.
[07:21] <ajmitch_> since we're scheduled for a session
[08:13] <tseng> ajmitch_: um
[08:13] <tseng> ajmitch_: whats your rules file look like now? its still broken
[08:14] <ajmitch_> obviously I wrote it wrong then
[08:14] <tseng> im looking up your diff in pool
[08:15] <ajmitch_> you could always look it up on your box & fix it there
[08:15] <tseng> i could
[08:15] <tseng> is it still in my ~ ?
[08:15] <ajmitch_> no, ~ajmitch/breezy-chroot/tmp/breezy
[08:21] <ajmitch_> probably drop the quotes
[08:21] <tseng> yes
[08:21] <tseng> and the +=
[08:22] <tseng> +ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH), s390)
[08:22] <tseng> +  JIT = --with-jit=yes --with-nptl=no
[08:22] <tseng> +  ATG = arch_target=s390
[08:22] <tseng> +endif
[08:23] <tseng> i guess the + is ok
[08:23] <tseng> since we are setting it up before
[08:23] <tseng> quotes are the main thing
[08:27] <tseng> ajmitch_: i built a new source package in there
[08:28] <ajmitch_> ok
[08:33] <ajmitch_> still waiting on network issues..
[08:51] <tseng> i think ill bug elmo about keychain if he shows up again
[09:18] <GheRivero> hello everyone
[09:18] <GheRivero> i need a package to be uploaded to breezy, can anyone help me?
[09:19] <ajmitch_> what package, is it not in debian?
[09:20] <GheRivero> yes, it' sin debian, but not in breezy
[09:20] <GheRivero> libevent
[09:21] <ajmitch_> libevent1 in debian?
[09:21] <GheRivero> nfs-utils have been alot of days failing to compile in breezy due to a broken dependencie
[09:21] <GheRivero> yes, that one
[09:21] <GheRivero> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/n/nfs-utils/1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1/nfs-utils_1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1_20050429-0807-i386-failed
[09:22] <ajmitch_> it's in unstable, no idea why it's not in breezy..
[09:22] <thom> libevent1 is in hoary
[09:22] <ajmitch_> check for build failures on libevent, the source may be there
[09:22] <thom> can't imagine it's anything but FTBFS
[09:24] <GheRivero> libevent has not fail to build, really strange
[09:25] <thom>  libevent1 |      0.8-2 | hoary/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[09:25] <thom>  libevent1 |   1.0b-1.1 | breezy/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[09:26] <GheRivero> and i suppose libevent-dev is available too without any problem...
[09:26] <ajmitch_> yep
[09:26] <GheRivero> then why this:
[09:26] <GheRivero> Checking for source dependency conflicts...
[09:26] <GheRivero>   /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/apt-get --purge $CHROOT_OPTIONS -q -y install debhelper libwrap0-dev libevent-dev libnfsidmap-dev libkrb5-dev
[09:26] <GheRivero> Reading package lists...
[09:26] <GheRivero> Building dependency tree...
[09:26] <GheRivero> E: Package libevent-dev has no installation candidate
[09:28] <thom> don't expect breezy to work right for a while
[09:28] <GheRivero> uhm... then i will wait, but this have been failed for more than 2 weeks already
[09:29] <GheRivero> thx everyone
[10:15] <tseng> ajmitch_: are you near lamont?
[10:22] <ajmitch_> yeah, he's just talking to jbailey
[10:23] <tseng> it seems odd that there is no build log
[10:23] <tseng> (still)
[10:29] <\sh> moins
[10:35] <ajmitch_> tseng: buildd fun again, lamont is looking into it
[10:35] <ajmitch_> the package built ok though
[12:23] <hunger> libboost-dev is missing lots of files. The debian one works fine though. The guys at #ubuntu said I should report that here.
[12:44] <ogra> hunger, please file a bug in malone (url is in the topic)
[12:47] <hunger> ogra: Already did that. (bug#512)
[04:44] <GheRivero> res everyone
[06:00] <tritium> Good morning, trulux
[06:06] <trulux> hey tritium
[06:06] <trulux> tritium: howya today?
[06:06] <tritium> trulux, great.  You?
[06:07] <trulux> fabbione: I'm going to port the ssp kernel patch to more archs right now
[06:09] <trulux> tritium: fine too, worried about my crt monitor
[06:09] <trulux> tritium: it's broken
[06:09] <trulux> and I need to move all the work to my laptop
[06:11] <tritium> trulux, that's no fun
[06:12] <trulux> tritium: it's a royal pain
[06:12] <trulux> I move even they keyboard table and it losses signal
[06:12] <tritium> yeah...
[06:12] <trulux> and I've been looking at the internals, it smells like burnt out
[06:12] <trulux> the f*cking power connector moved all the base of the connections piece
[06:12] <trulux> it's an HP mx70 with less than 2 years
[06:13] <trulux> that's the worst part
[06:13] <tritium> Be careful with the flyback transformer.  You can really shock yourself!
[06:13] <trulux> yeah, I haven't touched it while connected ;P
[06:14] <trulux> I'm not in the best time for buying a new screen, but I've started looking for good TFT offers
[06:14] <trulux> until then, this f*cked up my weekend hacking
[06:14] <trulux> or, as a bash.org kid would say, how can I watch my porn if any movement causes the screen to switch off!?
[07:36] <herve> 'evening
[07:37] <trulux> hey herve
[07:37] <trulux> herve powah!
[07:37] <herve> ?
[07:37] <herve> :-)
[07:37] <herve> thanks for the warm welcome :-)
[07:38] <trulux> herve: ;P
[07:38] <trulux> herve: hmm, I got time to work on the gcc-3.4--hardened package
[07:38] <trulux> herve: did the libssp package slook good to you?
[07:39] <herve> I haven't reviewed it
[07:39] <herve> you just gave me the gcc hardened diff.gz
[07:39] <herve> and I missed the orig.tar.gz
[07:51] <trulux> herve: ok,I'll send them again
[08:05] <herve> trulux, failed
[08:13] <trulux> herve: ...
[08:15] <trulux> herve: done
[08:15] <trulux> :)
[08:24] <herve> now let's find the time
[08:24] <herve> :-)
[08:32] <trulux> herve: ok, is it working? have you applied the diff?
[08:33] <herve> later this night
[08:36] <trulux> herve: ok
[08:36] <trulux> hey tritium
[08:36] <herve> hi tritium
[08:36] <tritium> hey trulux, herve
[08:36] <trulux> tritium: what was that url for the university webcam?
[08:37] <tritium> trulux, I'm not there today.
[08:38] <tritium> Still want it?
[08:38] <trulux> tritium: yes
[08:38] <trulux> tritium: I've seen the sun rising over it until my screen got completely broken
[08:39] <tritium> trulux, I was in the "Drawing Room": http://www.krannert.purdue.edu/info/home.asp yesterday
[08:40] <tritium> trulux, this is outside my office (except that I'm on the 2nd floor): https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/WebCam/cam02
[08:41] <trulux> tritium: btw, MacOS X 10.4 out
[08:41] <tritium> yep
[08:44] <tritium> trulux, so are you hoping that blonde girl will be there again today?  ;)
[08:47] <trulux> tritium: not really ;D
[08:47] <trulux> I will try if sometime I get there ;)
[08:48] <tritium> try what, trulux ?
[08:48] <trulux> to look beyond the camera
[08:48] <trulux> *grin*
[08:49] <tritium> heh
[08:56] <trulux> fabbione: ping
[09:04] <trulux> tritium: just scrolled around the tabs and that blond girl you were talking about seems back
[09:17] <tritium> trulux, is that right?
[09:20] <herve> man! 50 million downloads of firefox
[09:22] <tritium> Progeny Debian 3.0 has a graphical installer...
[09:23] <tseng> its based on anaconda
[09:23] <tseng> which is crack.
[09:23] <tritium> yeah
[09:24] <zul> hey tseng
[09:24] <Burgundavia> tseng, what is so crackish about anaconda? I understand it is, but have never heard the full explanation
[09:24] <tseng> Burgundavia: it has alot of bad python
[09:25] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:25] <tseng> and the gentoo fanboy making an anaconda installer
[09:25] <tseng> he put his base tarballs in an rpm
[09:25] <zul> lol
[09:25] <tseng> im not sure if progeny made it grok deb or not
[09:26] <trulux> tritium: yep
[09:26] <trulux> tseng: hey
[09:26] <tseng> Burgundavia: its pretty tied to redhat
[09:26] <tseng> hi
[09:27] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:27] <trulux> tseng: I'm doing the portability job for the ssp kernel level helpers
[09:27] <trulux> tseng: I have a job for you: find someone to test them
[09:27] <trulux> I don't have the needed infrastructure
[09:27] <trulux> nor time to check, I just believe they will work
[09:28] <trulux> fabbione: I've ported the patch to alpha,ppc,ia64 and arm
[09:28] <tseng> we arent targetting ssp
[09:28] <tseng> and I still thing ssp in the kernel is crack
[09:29] <tseng> ssp apps in a non-ssp glibc chroot isnt a compelling use case to me
[09:29] <trulux> tseng: ... you're again wrong ...
[09:29] <trulux> tseng: what about integration? what about having a weak reporting routine?
[09:30] <trulux> I don't want to talk about it again, too much already said
[09:30] <tseng> integration with?
[09:30] <trulux> tseng: SELinux in the near future
[09:30] <tseng> I must be too dumb for you.
[09:31] <trulux> tseng: just I have a larger wide range of view, and some imagination for this job
[09:31] <tseng> that sounds like a cool idea
[09:31] <tseng> linking avc to it
[09:31] <trulux> tseng: no, the audit framework
[09:31] <trulux> that's what would rock
[09:31] <tseng> sure
[09:32] <tseng> we really need a ssp implementation that is upstream-able
[09:33] <trulux> yeah, I just suck on explaining what I do, most times people believe I'm a jerk that doesn't do anything, until I bomb out a good set of patches or send an out-dated mail to the list ;P
[09:33] <trulux> tseng: I need someone to do the basic politics, I need some new volunteers
[09:34] <trulux> I can't waste a lot of time doing excessive packaging
[09:34] <tseng> excessive?
[09:34] <tseng> i can think of < 10 packages you have
[09:34] <tseng> anway yeah we set the agenda this week, SSP didnt make it
[09:34] <zul> without packaging you have nothing concrete to show for
[09:34] <tseng> so i wont be working on it this cycle
[09:35] <trulux> zul: I was talking in other terms, currently we need a consistent base before doing any packaging, and that means doing upstream job
[09:35] <tseng> there is plenty more to do with universe security, mono, maybe some selinux patching up.
[09:35] <trulux> tseng: I agree, mono kid
[09:35] <trulux> :)
[09:35] <trulux> anyways, I've got 7 free days to mess with all of this stuff
[09:36] <tseng> if you want to be more involved in ubuntu, you'll have to work closer to the rest of us instead of on your own numerous tagential paths
[09:36] <tseng> if you want to go your own way, fine
[09:36] <tseng> i cant help you get testing and devs for your "crack of the day" ssp stuff or selinux addons
[09:37] <trulux> tseng: I agree, it's just that we gain momentum, thus, we have time to do the deployment and integration work
[09:37] <trulux> tseng: so, how was the BOF, finally?
[09:37] <trulux> tseng: I'm on the sysctl stuff
[09:37] <tseng> which?
[09:37] <tseng> cool
[09:37] <trulux> tseng: SELinux
[09:38] <tseng> it was mostly ajmitch and I
[09:38] <trulux> tseng: *shrug*, I asked ajmitch to call him (phone) for talking on it
[09:38] <tseng> we'll start looking at the patches and pushing them to maintainers
[09:38] <trulux> but now it's too late
[09:38] <trulux> ok, great
[09:38] <trulux> the bugs are already in the bugzilla
[09:38] <tseng> prolly from FC4
[09:38] <trulux> I'm tracking FC4 selinux work
[09:39] <trulux> le tme worry about it, you must be fresh and cool with the patches integration
[09:39] <tseng> so about ssp, thats a regular thing you are pushing
[09:39] <tseng> i dont think we are going to make any headway on it in ubuntu until something is maintained upstream
[09:39] <tseng> not by etoh
[09:41] <trulux> Etoh is not too fast at working on it, but he does it well
[09:41] <tseng> thats fine.. we move gcc faster than etoh
[09:41] <tseng> its not going to happen while that is the case
[09:41] <trulux> I think I will focuse on my career the next months, improving some skills, I need money
[09:41] <trulux> right
[09:42] <trulux> bbl, dinner
[09:42] <trulux> I'll be back in 15 minutes
[09:42] <bur[n] er> now that java is in backports repository... could someone snag the azureus .deb from sid and put in universe??
[09:43] <tseng> backports != ubuntu
[09:43] <bur[n] er> well damn
[09:43] <herve> what's the relation ship between backports and universe?
[09:43] <tseng> we dont support and, and we arent going to add something based on a backport
[09:43] <bur[n] er> maybe I should ask the backports folks :)
[09:43] <herve> (relationship)
[09:43] <bur[n] er> sorry tseng, my bad
[09:43] <tseng> maybe you should all work on ubuntu :(
[09:44] <tritium> tseng, what do you mean?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> i didn't mean to cause any tension, just curious
[09:45] <tseng> tritium: backports are evil, and people could study up a bit more on packaging and join MOTU, do something proactive
[09:45] <tritium> bur[n] er, you didn't cause any tension
[09:45] <herve> bur[n] er, but still, you could say "hello" when you come in :-)
[09:46] <tseng> we are looking into doing java for breezy using GCJ
[09:46] <bur[n] er> hello ;)
[09:46] <herve> hi bur[n] er ;-)
[09:46] <tritium> greetings, bur[n] er
[09:46] <herve> tseng, the mess between gcj, classpath, each one's strenghts and weaknesses, is cleared out?
[09:47] <bur[n] er> gcj == free right?
[09:47] <herve> g = GNU, I hope so :-)
[09:47] <tritium> I guess you could call it a right, and yes, it's free ;)
[09:48] <mjr> free it is
[09:49] <mjr> herve, in addition to those, there's at least swingwt, which might be useful as a more complete swing/awt implementation...
[09:49] <mjr> (no, dunno about clearing out the messes)
[09:49] <trulux> tseng: back
[09:49] <trulux> 7 minutes, new record :)
[09:49] <herve> mjr, that's my point, there's a constellation of free java alternatives, each one focusing on a issue
[09:50] <mjr> yeah, just pointing out one major one
[09:51] <trulux> tseng: could you tell me what exactly are the goals of the kernel patches proposed by the pro. sec. bof?
[09:51] <tseng> trulux: its very clear on the wiki
[09:51] <tseng> the biggest thing we want is the tmp race fix
[09:51] <trulux> tseng: no, I mean, upstream submission
[09:51] <tseng> upstream for that would be nice
[09:51] <trulux> tseng: dilinger desires
[09:51] <tseng> yes.
[09:52] <trulux> tseng: ok, working on it
[09:52] <tseng> dilinger talks to mm
[09:54] <trulux> tseng: ok, where do you think it should be (the sysctl entry)?
[09:54] <tseng> no idea
[09:54] <tseng> its 6am
[09:54] <trulux> I won't add a new domain (ie. SECURITY=11)
[09:55] <trulux> tseng: it's 22:00 here fater a long week, I'm suffering somewhat type of No-i-won't-sleep illness and I'm tired too
[09:55] <trulux> but I'm the kid behind the sysctl interface being modified, who needs to know where to put the beatiful entry
[09:56] <herve> I don't remember kids are playing with systcl :-)
[09:56] <herve> but admitedly, I'm old-fashioned ;-)
[09:57] <trulux> herve: then I'm a strange kid, anyways.... :)
[09:59] <mjr> hmm, seems the classpath awt/swing is in better shape than I thought...
[10:11] <trulux> fabbione: is mips support imperative? I need to work out tseng's stuff and I've rent a movie in the videostore, it's waiting in the table and I'm too sleepy to wait more for watching it
[10:11] <trulux> ;)
[10:12] <tseng> fabbione: we arent even build on mips afaik
[10:12] <tseng> er, trulux
[10:13] <\sh> evening gentlemen
[10:14] <\sh> herve: ping
[10:15] <herve> evening and pong, \sh
[10:15] <\sh> herve: u read my comment to the eric3 bug?
[10:16] <herve> either I replied to it, or you're talking about another one I did not have notifcation for
[10:18] <\sh> herve: u said, that we should replace python qt and sip....well...I'm waiting for the new version of pyqt and pykde...there r some bugs in it and the upstream dev will fix it in 1 or 2 weeks..after this I will update the packages
[10:18] <trulux> tseng: that's it, ok, thanks
[10:19] <herve> \sh, ok, I don't even remember it :-) old comment?
[10:20] <\sh> hehe...didn't read your new comment ;)
[10:20] <\sh> the old one of yours ;)
[10:21] <herve> I need to dive again into it
[10:21] <herve> which I'm not able to do without having *slept* !
[10:21] <\sh> ok..I'll make some dpatches tomorrow :)
[10:21] <trulux> herve: why? take some oz of Offee
[10:21] <\sh> just because i need sleep as well :)
[10:22] <\sh> too many beers yesterday with our nagra consultans
[10:22] <herve> trulux, oz? the wizard? :-) nah, just need to *sleep*!
[10:22] <\sh> and I'm an old man ;)
[10:23] <trulux> herve: no, 50oz of coffee: http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=50+oz+to+kg&btnG=BAsqueda+en+Google&meta=
[10:23] <trulux> 50 ounces = 1.41747616 kilograms
[10:23] <herve> it's based on the logarithm of kilograms?
[10:23] <herve> just kidding :-)
[10:23] <trulux> ok
[10:23] <trulux> ;P
[10:24] <herve> but sure 50 ounces of coffee will kill a man!
[10:24] <\sh> not me ;)
[10:24] <\sh> 1.4kg equals to 1.4l?
[10:24] <trulux> no, it will cause him the same effect that most Gentoo devs suffer
[10:25] <trulux> like being on too-much crack
[10:25] <herve> \sh, depends on the density of the liquid you're considering
[10:26] <\sh> then 1.4kg of coffee is 3l of coffee in our company..so I'm not dead u see :)
[10:26] <trulux> herve: hah, that amount of coffee won't get disolved in just 1.4l
[10:26] <trulux> :)
[10:26] <\sh> finally, we have to discuss if we're talking about coffee powder, beans or ready to drink liquid coffee ;)
[10:26] <trulux> \sh: hah
[10:27] <\sh> c
[10:27] <\sh> cause 3l of black liquid coffee is no problem for me
[10:28] <herve> 3 l makes two regular bottles of mineral water...
[10:28] <\sh> yepp
[10:29] <\sh> herve: ask ogra how much coffee i'll drink during a 8 hours workday :)
[10:30] <herve> I'm afraid to :-)
[10:31] <\sh> heh
[10:34] <\sh> ok...bedtime :)
[10:35] <herve> good idea
[10:50] <herve> yes it is, job can wait
[10:50] <herve> bedtime too
[10:50] <herve> night all!
[10:54] <tritium> trulux, sorry, back now
[10:55] <trulux> tritium: ok :) how was the work?
[10:56] <tritium> trulux, it's just administrivia I'm dealing with this afternoon.
[01:30] <sybren> hi there
[01:32] <sybren> I was told I'd have to talk to you people if I wanted a package to be added to Universe
[01:33] <sybren> I'd like to see the package 'mkvtoolnix' in Ubuntu. There is already a Debian package that's statically linked, I see
[01:33] <sybren> One moment, I'll give that one a go and report back ;-)
[01:33] <Treenaks> what is it?
[01:34] <sybren> it's a toolkit for manipulating and creating Matroska files
[01:35] <sybren> Ubuntu has already support for those files via (amongst others) Xine
[01:35] <sybren> I thought it would be rather silly to have support for playing those files without being able to create them
[01:35] <sybren> and since it's a 100% free container format, I thought it fitted Ubuntu quite well
[01:38] <sybren> in case you don't know Matroska: it's an audio/video container format
[01:38] <sybren> quite a tad better than OGM
[02:16] <sybren> yep, the debian package works just fine
[02:25] <sybren> anyone still here?
[02:39] <\sh> yeah
[02:40] <\sh> please add your package to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[02:59] <dholbach> hellas!
[03:15] <\sh> huhu dholbach
[03:19] <\sh> dholbach: home sweet home
[03:25] <dholbach> \sh: yes :-)
[03:27] <\sh> dholbach: tired or no jetlag at all?
[03:28] <dholbach> tired completely
[03:28] <\sh> hehe
[03:33] <dholbach> i think i will take a nap
[04:17] <\sh> hey ogra
[04:17] <ogra> hey
[04:17] <\sh> ogra: nice to have u back where u belong :)
[04:18] <ogra> hmm, i'm not really sure where is belong yet ;) jetlagging hard here
[04:18] <ogra> s/is/i/
[04:51] <bddebian> Hey folks
[06:44] <bddebian> tritium: Hey, congratulations on figuring out why there are unpopped kernels of popcorn.. ;-P
[06:51] <tritium> bddebian: hey there!  Say again?
[06:53] <bddebian> tritium: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050418/BUSINESS/504180327/1003
[06:54] <tritium> Oh, okay.  heh ;)
[06:54] <bddebian> :-)
[06:54] <tritium> How's it going?
[06:54] <bddebian> Shitty.  You?
[06:55] <tritium> I'm okay.  What's the matter?
[06:56] <bddebian> Work, life, Debian, you name it.. :-)
[06:57] <tritium> Sorry to hear that, bddebian...
[06:57] <herzi> dholbach: http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hula/svn202/
[06:58] <bddebian> tritium: Bah, it's not that bad man, thanks.  I just like to whine. :-)
[06:59] <bddebian> But I'm going to lose my NM status and I still can't decide if I care or not.. :-)
[07:00] <tritium> bddebian: I'm trying to stay connected 24/7, using screen and irssi-text at home, so I can attach from my laptop wherever I'm at
[07:00] <bddebian> Heh
[07:00] <dholbach> herzi: can you put it on MOTUToReview? i seem to have to catch up with quite a load of things
[07:00] <bddebian> And I thought I was an IRC addict.. ;-)
[07:01] <tritium> bddebian: trying not to be...
[07:17] <GheRivero> res
[07:31] <herzi> dholbach: can't edit that page
[07:32] <dholbach> herzi: hm?
[07:32] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview ?
[07:34] <herzi> dholbach: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUToReview doesn't allow me to login, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/... does
[07:40] <jabra> for trying to build a package if I am getting dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[07:40] <jabra> debuild: fatal error at line 764:
[07:40] <jabra> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[07:40] <jabra> what should I do to fix that
[07:51] <jabra> ?
[07:52] <herve> houba!
[07:52] <herve> heya daniel! oliver!
[07:53] <tritium> Hi herve
[07:54] <herve> michael too!
[07:54] <herve> :-)
[07:54] <tritium> :)
[07:58] <bddebian> Hello herve
[07:58] <bddebian> Betcha don't know my name.. ;-P
[07:58] <herve> Barry?
[07:58] <bddebian> Doh
[07:58] <bddebian> Yes
[07:58] <herve> heya barry!!
[07:58] <herve> :-)
[07:58] <bddebian> :-)
[07:59] <bddebian> You didn't cheat and use /whois did you?? :-)
[07:59] <herve> right click on your nickname, does it count?
[08:00] <bddebian> Yep :)
[08:01] <herve> i'll remember it for the next time then
[08:01] <bddebian> No worries
[08:05] <jabra> dpkg-source: debuild: fatal error at line 764: where is the file I need to look at or how should I go about fixing this
[08:05] <jabra>                unrepresentable changes to source
[08:06] <GheRivero> jabra, there should be some binary file that you didn't delete properly  or something similar
[08:06] <jabra> ok cool thanks
[08:06] <herve> or the "make clean" didn't delete
[08:07] <herve> alternatively, you introduced a binary file, yes
[08:07] <jabra> ok cool I wil try that and see if that fixes things
[08:11] <jabra> ok everything looks like it worked but my key had errors
[08:11] <jabra> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[08:11] <jabra> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[08:11] <jabra> debuild: fatal error at line 787:
[08:13] <herve> do you have a GPG key?
[08:13] <dholbach> hey herve
[08:14] <dholbach> jabra: you seem to have not changed debian/changelog or don't have a gpg key
[08:14] <herve> yes, not changing the changelog is harmful too :-)
[08:15] <herve> there you see the master of the masters of the universe ;-)
[08:15] <GheRivero> jabra, you can force the use of a gpg key with the -k option
[08:15] <herve> or ignore it with --us --uc :-)
[08:20] <jabra> ok I will check those
[08:21] <jabra> if it is a new package what should be in the changelog?
[08:21] <dholbach> you could use dh-make for a new package
[08:21] <jabra> right
[08:21] <jabra> that is wat I am using
[08:21] <dholbach> or  dch   for debian/changelog in general
[08:22] <herve> ho yes!
[08:22] <herve> always use dch for changing the changelog!
[08:22] <herve> dch -Dbreezy for ubuntu
[08:22] <jabra> it just says initial release
[08:22] <dholbach> emailadress and name alright?
[08:22] <jabra> ya
[08:23] <herve> jabra, you're making a new package?
[08:23] <jabra> ya
[08:23] <herve> ha!
[08:23] <herve> different matter then :-)
[08:23] <jabra> well this package isn't new , only new to ubuntu
[08:23] <jabra> I will be making a new package soon for ubuntu
[08:24] <herve> so there's an existing debian directory?
[08:24] <jabra> ya
[08:27] <herve> and you're not the actual maintainer?
[08:27] <dholbach> jabra: you have a gpg key?
[08:27] <jabra> yes
[08:28] <jabra> wait it isn't the full name in the config
[08:31] <jabra> can I change the name with from dh_make
[08:31] <dholbach> i have these in .bashrc
[08:31] <dholbach> export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach'
[08:32] <dholbach> export DEBEMAIL='dh@mailempfang.de'
[08:32] <jabra> o ok cool thanks
[08:32] <dholbach> maybe you still need dh_make -e <email> or something
[08:32] <jabra> ya but the name wasn't my full name whihc is probalby why it failed on the gpg key
[08:33] <herve> yes it probably needs the name your gpg key is associated to
[08:37] <jabra> ok done
[08:37] <jabra> anyone wanta test radmind ?
[08:38] <herve> not yet
[08:38] <jabra> should I just post it to the wiki
[08:38] <herve> jabra, you read the new maintainer's guide,
[08:38] <herve> ?
[08:39] <jabra> yes
[08:40] <herve> so you should know you need to test your package by yourself at first :-)
[08:40] <jabra> ya obviously
[08:40] <herve> installing, removing, reinstalling, force installing, purging, reinstalling...
[08:40] <herve> and it should fail a single time
[08:40] <jabra> gotcha
[08:40] <herve> should *not*
[08:40] <herve> :-)
[08:40] <jabra> right
[08:43] <herve> hi matthias too :-)
[08:55] <jabra> herve: aight I tested it
[08:56] <herve> you mean it passed the test?
[08:56] <jabra> ya it passed
[08:57] <herve> good, while I'm waiting for trulux
[08:57] <herve> I think I can review it
[08:57] <herve> but be warned
[08:57] <herve> I'm not easy :-)
[08:58] <jabra> ok who is
[08:58] <jabra> jk should I email it to you?
[08:58] <herve> url
[08:58] <jabra> k
[09:02] <tritium_> trulux, how are things?
[09:03] <jabra> herve: let me know wat I need to fix
[09:03] <herve> jabra, I need the *source* package :-)
[09:03] <jabra> ok
[09:09] <jabra> so you want the .orig source or just the source
[09:09] <dholbach> orig.tar.gz .dsc and .diff.gz
[09:09] <jabra> k
[09:10] <jabra> sorry for all the dumb questions
[09:11] <dholbach> jabra: they're not dumb at all
[09:11] <herve> ho yes
[09:11] <herve> don't tell me you made a native package with no diff.gz :-)
[09:12] <dholbach> herve: even if jabra had: that's how all of us started ;-)
[09:13] <jabra> no there is a diff
[09:14] <herve> ok I admit, I found it cool to write a software package debianizable from scratch
[09:15] <bddebian> Hehe
[09:15] <herve> but now I understand much more what I do
[09:15] <herve> it's like doing xhtml, I understood a week ago why I and many others were doing it bad
[09:18] <bddebian> Unless your ignorant like me.. :-)
[09:21] <herve> unless the web is not your job :-)
[09:22] <bddebian> Bah I know a lot of people who don't know shit about their "jobs".. :-)
[09:22] <herve> ho don't tell me...
[09:22] <jabra> dholbach: ok http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/radmind.html
[09:22] <jabra> let me know what I need to fix
[09:22] <herve> well, now I'm thinking about all the crap I believed in and taugh... *fear*
[09:23] <dholbach> jabra: could you please put it on: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[09:23] <jabra> ok
[09:23] <herve> jabra, it's not a well formed html document :-p
[09:23] <herve> I told you I'm not easy!
[09:23] <dholbach> jabra: i have still a lot of stuff to do, so i will get back to it at some stage
[09:23] <herve> no, kidding, that's not our matter
[09:23] <jabra> heh ok
[09:24] <jabra> herve: I will put in on the wiki that ok?
[09:24] <jabra> that is well formed enough
[09:24] <herve> dholbach, anyway, I think he should have asked, since I told him I'll review it :-)
[09:24] <dholbach> i'll be happy to review it... but just not today :-)
[09:24] <herve> hmm not really, it's serving html with an xhtml syntax
[09:25] <dholbach> after 22h in the plane i feel a bit... shitty
[09:25] <herve> ho no, let's not feed the troll :-)
[09:25] <jabra> herve: what would you like me to do
[09:25] <herve> jabra, I'll review you package
[09:25] <jabra> ok cool thanks
[09:25] <dholbach> me too
[09:25] <herve> feel free to add an entry to the wiki meanwhile
[09:26] <jabra> will do after I have to rebuild it
[09:26] <Burgundavia> dholbach, seen this little tempest meets teapot? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00000.html
[09:26] <jabra> herve: are you going to email me or pm me or something?
[09:27] <jabra> also I have my public key off my main site just delete the word build  in the url
[09:28] <herve> jabra, you active presence on the chan sure helps
[09:28] <herve> your key isn't really usefull
[09:28] <herve> I can't trust it
[09:28] <dholbach> Burgundavia: i'm getting a headache
[09:29] <herve> Burgundavia, I was about to write "well, write to Ubuntu instead of complaining on Debian lists, *this* will not feed the troll."
[09:29] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:29] <herve> then the author of the pages an mdz answered
[09:44] <jabra> herve: wat should I do about the key?
[09:46] <herve> keep it warm
[09:46] <herve> make it sign by others
[09:46] <herve> so you enter the web of trust
[09:47] <jabra> ok well I just created it recently so will you not review my package until I enter the web of trust and what do I need to do to get other to sign it . (like key sign party)
[09:49] <ogra> jabra, you just gave the answer :)
[09:49] <jabra> thought so
[09:49] <ogra> jabra, meet a person you want to sign your key in person (doesnt necessarily need to be a signing party)
[09:50] <jabra> I will get a bunch of my friends to have a key signing thing
[09:50] <jabra> ok
[09:51] <herve> jabra, that doesn't prevent me from reviewing your package
[09:51] <ogra> ah, yes... the key is only needed for upload rights...
[09:51] <herve> just that I cannot trust the identity of the person who did it
[09:51] <herve> which I strictly don't care for now
[09:51] <jabra> herve: ok cool thanks
[09:52] <herve> ogra, glad to hear you :-)
[09:52] <jabra> heh cool
[09:52] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[09:52] <ogra> hey herve
[09:52] <ogra> :)
[09:52] <herve> bye dholbach
[09:53] <jabra> I will have my key signed tomorrow
[09:54] <herve> jabra, first thing
[09:54] <herve> I saw you changed 3 files outside the debian/ dir
[09:54] <herve> generally speaking, you should use dpatch for changes
[09:54] <herve> (will I'll show you later)
[09:54] <herve> but these are config.guess and config.sub
[09:55] <herve> I guess it's an allowed exception
[09:55] <herve> but about build-deps
[09:55] <herve> if you changed it for your debian needs, it's a candidate for the dpatch system
[09:55] <herve> otherwise, the fixed version should be in a new upstream tarball
[09:57] <herve> jabra, you intend to see you package some day in the future?
[09:57] <herve> or just ubuntu?
[09:58] <herve> jabra, please remove .ex files
[09:58] <herve> these are examples from dh-make to remove if not needed
[09:58] <herve> debian/control is obviously not ready
[09:59] <herve> debian/copyright almost worst :-)
[09:59] <herve> please read debian/README.Debian :-)
[10:00] <ogra> and use lintian ;)
[10:00] <herve> that would have been my word of conclusion
[10:01] <herve> you introduce a dependency on autotools-dev but don't declare it in your debian/control
[10:02] <herve> in debian/rules, remove dh_* command in comment if you don't need them
[10:02] <herve> and last but not least
[10:02] <herve> install linda and lintian
[10:02] <herve> rebuild your package
[10:02] <encolpe> use linda
[10:02] <jabra> ok
[10:02] <herve> they will say more or less the same thing than me
[10:02] <herve> thanks ogra and encolpe, my two padawans :-)
[10:03] <jabra> heh
[10:03] <encolpe> hehe
[10:11] <jabra> can the description be longer than 60 chars?
[10:11] <ajmitch> hi
[10:12] <herve> hi ajmitch
[10:12] <GheRivero> res
[10:13] <herve> jabra, I think your debian/control is informative enough
[10:13] <jabra> it says up to 60 chars
[10:13] <jabra> the best I can do is like 90 ish
[10:14] <herve> so you give too much information
[10:15] <jabra> just wondering if anyone is going to complain about that
[10:15] <herve> yes, me :-)
[10:16] <ogra> and lintian :)
[10:16] <herve> ogra, I'm worst than lintian! muhahaha!
[10:16] <bddebian> ajmitch!!!
[10:16] <herve> jabra, remember you have Debian's new maintainer's guide in your hands
[10:17] <ogra> herve, but you both are not as imporant as elmo, who will just not accept it ;)
[10:18] <herve> sure, but the package wouldn't have passed the herve workflow anyway ;)
[10:19] <ogra> jabra, if you want elmo, herve or any other MOTU to accept a package, just make sure its lintian clean
[10:19] <jabra> ok good to know
[10:19] <ogra> herve, btw.... we should finally make you official ;)
[10:20] <herve> ogra, no answer from elmo
[10:20] <ogra> herve, he's jetlagging (like most of us)
[10:20] <herve> clean as snow
[10:20] <herve> I love snow
[10:20] <herve> let it snow, let it snow, let it snoooooow
[10:21] <ogra> heh
[10:21] <herve> ogra, I was told he came back (from something else?) last monday, I was misinformed
[10:21] <ogra> yep...
[10:21] <ogra> i saw him yesterday leaving sydney
[10:22] <herve> lucky you all, you were there :-/
[10:23] <ogra> herve, currently it doesnt feel to good (just woke up from falling asleep over my keyboard)
[10:23] <ogra> jetlag is evil
[10:24] <herve> that's my little revenge! muhahaha!
[10:24] <ogra> heh
[10:24] <herve> anyway, daniel's postcard was nice
[10:24] <herve> ajmitch, you're jetlagging too? :-)
[10:24] <ajmitch> no
[10:24] <ogra> heh
[10:25] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[10:25] <ajmitch> but I had to sleep in the airport on sunday night
[10:25] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[10:26] <herve> ajmitch, come on, go to work! :-p
[10:45] <jabra> ok obviosly this isn't ideal but package something that includes a shell script with no man page any thoughts?
[10:46] <jabra> there are man pages for everything else but not this script
[10:47] <herve> is this shell script a command accessible from the shell prompt?
[10:47] <jabra> good questions I think so
[10:47] <jabra> a man page will be included in the next version of the package
[10:47] <herve> if so, this is a bug with regard to the debian policy
[10:47] <jabra> right
[10:48] <jabra> next version will include a man page but can it still be included despite not having the man page?
[10:50] <herve> if there are other forms of help, probably
[10:50] <herve> note it's not a policy violation, though
[10:51] <herve> there a packages still in debian with serious bugs against them ;-)
[10:54] <herve> night all!
[11:12] <\sh> re guys
[11:13] <\sh> oh I hate washing salons
[11:16] <\sh> hmmm
[11:16] <\sh> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/debian_founder_not_allowed_on_planet_debian-2005-05-02-16-36