=== ogra [~ogra@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] morning ogra [12:56] morning all [12:57] hi. === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] Heya ajmitch_, ogra, tseng === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ch_georgi [~daemon@222-152-116-96.adsl.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] dholbach++ [03:48] heard you guys are having a great time down there [03:48] you heard wrong [03:49] its totally shithouse [03:49] O.o [03:49] lol [03:49] kidding. [03:49] tseng, ? [03:49] the food is getting to him [03:50] the food *is* shithouse [03:50] oh come on [03:50] don't be a sissy [03:51] at least it's a barbeque tonight [03:51] =>>>> MaloneUniverseWishList [03:51] we need to do our Pub BOF sometime [03:51] we'll have a meeting with the malone guys in two weeks [03:51] dholbach: dude we did that on monday [03:51] oh. [03:52] ALL OF US [03:52] on IRC [03:52] yeah, brad wants updates [03:52] we arent having a pub bof [03:52] i will announce it on the list [03:52] it had to be yesterday [03:52] dholbach was being a sissy [03:52] yes === aka_daemon [~daemon@222-152-116-96.adsl.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] absolutely pathetic [03:52] afternon, aka_daemon [03:52] hi [03:53] could anyone advice me where to best start reading about howto make packages for debian? [03:54] I recently tried to make a mplayer package, but that didn't work out very well; some strange dependency errors?! [03:54] there is already an mplayer package. [03:54] aka_daemon: the best way is actually to set up a pbuilder (wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) and trying to modify an existing one [03:54] i.e. add a .desktop file [03:54] the debian-policy or the new-maintainer guide is a bit scary [03:54] but they're good [03:54] but there are problems with that package: for some people the internal acc is broken [03:55] for looking stuff up [03:55] dholbach: i'll have a look at that.. [03:55] do you have a patch? [03:55] its usually not our policy to make a whole new package to fix a bug [03:55] I had a read at the new-maintainer guide.. didn't get too much :/ [03:56] aka_daemon: start with the existing package, use the pbuilder [03:56] tseng: I'm new to the whole package business and yet haven't got a clue at all... [03:56] Can't even build myself proper packages :/ [03:56] well making a new package doesnt fix anything [03:57] that's the best way to start, i feel [03:57] provide a source package for us to review once you have something [03:57] what we need is a patch for the bug [03:57] dholbach: I'll do that for a start.. [03:57] then we can give feedback [03:57] or at least a bug report [03:57] aka_daemon: good one [03:57] please, slow... :panic: ;) [03:58] how would I be able to make a patch? [03:58] do you know how to fix the bug? [03:59] tseng: yes, by installing mplayer from source ;) [03:59] tseng: other then that: sorry, no. [03:59] aka_daemon: wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips might be helpful as well, although it still lacks a bit of content [03:59] I posted the issue on the user mailinglist.. [03:59] dholbach: thanks, I'll have a look there later.. [04:00] tseng: signal 11 decode_audio error was the error.. [04:00] um. [04:00] some internal stuff.. [04:01] ajmitch_: I don't even quite grasp the difference between source package and whatever... === aka_daemon [~daemon@222-152-116-96.adsl.ihug.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] sry, having some problems with the irc connection.. === AstralJava [6f00827cd3@cm-062-241-238-221.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra [~ogra@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chmj [~d3vic3@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] ajmitch_: ping [04:47] ajmitch_: can you please change --with-tls=__thread on mono and upload again? i think it might fail on x86 now [04:47] ajmitch_: we can make it arch specific if we have to [04:48] bbiab [04:50] ok === ajmitch_ down in forum for proactive security [04:51] yeah, watch out, the proactive security folks are table invaders [04:54] elmo: cut them. [05:16] can anyone tell me what linda means when it says "File /home/travis/Projects/smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb failed to process: Format args for usr-lib-in-arch-all don't match Description. (0 vs 1)"? [05:18] Amaranth: run lintian -i on it [05:19] lintian gives no errors [05:19] or warnings [05:22] what about linda -v ? [05:22] or linda -i [05:23] linda -h told me [05:24] nothing [05:25] i and v give me the same error, no extra information [05:27] well what does it install in /usr/lib ? === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port162-161.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] /usr/lib/smeg/menu_handler.py and /usr/lib/smeg/dialogs.py === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] ajmitch_: ill give you a new rules file in a few minutes [06:41] tseng: too late, it is t3h building [06:41] ajmitch_: ok. [06:42] ajmitch_: rock on. === dholbach [~daniel@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chmj [~d3vic3@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:01] tseng: at least mono built on i386 [07:01] ajmitch_: ok. [07:02] ajmitch_: can we try amd64 please [07:02] sure, get me an amd64 box with bandwidth [07:02] or I'll just upload it [07:02] uh [07:02] buildd [07:02] the only amd64 i have access to otherwise is gentoo [07:02] and nvidia donated to gentoo, so [07:03] ubuntu chroots wouldnt be appreciated if someone found it. [07:03] heh [07:03] mine's turned off currently; sorry [07:03] thom: the buildd is fine [07:03] thom: i can handle rejection if it fails [07:03] btw mono doesn't rebuild cleanly - automated testing will catch it [07:03] and no one else is really using it [07:03] tseng: *g* [07:03] clean target is incomplete [07:03] ajmitch_: as in make clena? [07:03] i know [07:05] thats not pressing [07:05] the buildd could care less [07:20] accepted, time to watch build logs [07:20] rock on. [07:21] what are you editing now? [07:21] im not editing [07:21] ok, just going to work on selinux then [07:21] ok. [07:21] since we're scheduled for a session === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089BFC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] ajmitch_: um [08:13] ajmitch_: whats your rules file look like now? its still broken [08:14] obviously I wrote it wrong then [08:14] im looking up your diff in pool [08:15] you could always look it up on your box & fix it there [08:15] i could [08:15] is it still in my ~ ? === ajmitch_ will bbiab [08:15] no, ~ajmitch/breezy-chroot/tmp/breezy [08:21] probably drop the quotes [08:21] yes [08:21] and the += [08:22] +ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH), s390) [08:22] + JIT = --with-jit=yes --with-nptl=no [08:22] + ATG = arch_target=s390 [08:22] +endif [08:23] i guess the + is ok [08:23] since we are setting it up before [08:23] quotes are the main thing [08:27] ajmitch_: i built a new source package in there [08:28] ok [08:33] still waiting on network issues.. [08:51] i think ill bug elmo about keychain if he shows up again === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.90.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] hello everyone [09:18] i need a package to be uploaded to breezy, can anyone help me? [09:19] what package, is it not in debian? [09:20] yes, it' sin debian, but not in breezy [09:20] libevent [09:21] libevent1 in debian? [09:21] nfs-utils have been alot of days failing to compile in breezy due to a broken dependencie [09:21] yes, that one [09:21] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/n/nfs-utils/1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1/nfs-utils_1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1_20050429-0807-i386-failed [09:22] it's in unstable, no idea why it's not in breezy.. [09:22] libevent1 is in hoary [09:22] check for build failures on libevent, the source may be there [09:22] can't imagine it's anything but FTBFS [09:24] libevent has not fail to build, really strange [09:25] libevent1 | 0.8-2 | hoary/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [09:25] libevent1 | 1.0b-1.1 | breezy/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [09:26] and i suppose libevent-dev is available too without any problem... [09:26] yep [09:26] then why this: [09:26] Checking for source dependency conflicts... [09:26] /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/apt-get --purge $CHROOT_OPTIONS -q -y install debhelper libwrap0-dev libevent-dev libnfsidmap-dev libkrb5-dev [09:26] Reading package lists... [09:26] Building dependency tree... [09:26] E: Package libevent-dev has no installation candidate [09:28] don't expect breezy to work right for a while [09:28] uhm... then i will wait, but this have been failed for more than 2 weeks already [09:29] thx everyone === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] ajmitch_: are you near lamont? [10:22] yeah, he's just talking to jbailey [10:23] it seems odd that there is no build log [10:23] (still) [10:29] <\sh> moins === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] tseng: buildd fun again, lamont is looking into it [10:35] the package built ok though === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@d006009.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zerokarmaleft [~zerokarma@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zerokarmaleft [~zerokarma@ip68-12-45-133.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === pixil9 [~pixil9@S01060006250d79e7.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [~hunger@p54A6720F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] libboost-dev is missing lots of files. The debian one works fine though. The guys at #ubuntu said I should report that here. === pixil9 [~pixil9@S01060006250d79e7.cg.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:44] hunger, please file a bug in malone (url is in the topic) [12:47] ogra: Already did that. (bug#512) === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax8-178.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === qq [marko_tasi@P2-257-20111.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-1.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h199n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgive1 [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.90.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] res everyone === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:00] Good morning, trulux [06:06] hey tritium [06:06] tritium: howya today? [06:06] trulux, great. You? [06:07] fabbione: I'm going to port the ssp kernel patch to more archs right now [06:09] tritium: fine too, worried about my crt monitor [06:09] tritium: it's broken [06:09] and I need to move all the work to my laptop [06:11] trulux, that's no fun [06:12] tritium: it's a royal pain [06:12] I move even they keyboard table and it losses signal [06:12] yeah... [06:12] and I've been looking at the internals, it smells like burnt out [06:12] the f*cking power connector moved all the base of the connections piece [06:12] it's an HP mx70 with less than 2 years [06:13] that's the worst part [06:13] Be careful with the flyback transformer. You can really shock yourself! [06:13] yeah, I haven't touched it while connected ;P [06:14] I'm not in the best time for buying a new screen, but I've started looking for good TFT offers [06:14] until then, this f*cked up my weekend hacking [06:14] or, as a bash.org kid would say, how can I watch my porn if any movement causes the screen to switch off!? === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-1.ecn.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] 'evening [07:37] hey herve [07:37] herve powah! [07:37] ? [07:37] :-) [07:37] thanks for the warm welcome :-) [07:38] herve: ;P [07:38] herve: hmm, I got time to work on the gcc-3.4--hardened package [07:38] herve: did the libssp package slook good to you? [07:39] I haven't reviewed it [07:39] you just gave me the gcc hardened diff.gz [07:39] and I missed the orig.tar.gz [07:51] herve: ok,I'll send them again === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] trulux, failed === hunger [~hunger@p54A6720F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:13] herve: ... [08:15] herve: done [08:15] :) [08:24] now let's find the time [08:24] :-) === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-96.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] herve: ok, is it working? have you applied the diff? [08:33] later this night === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-1.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] herve: ok [08:36] hey tritium [08:36] hi tritium [08:36] hey trulux, herve [08:36] tritium: what was that url for the university webcam? [08:37] trulux, I'm not there today. [08:38] Still want it? [08:38] tritium: yes [08:38] tritium: I've seen the sun rising over it until my screen got completely broken [08:39] trulux, I was in the "Drawing Room": http://www.krannert.purdue.edu/info/home.asp yesterday [08:40] trulux, this is outside my office (except that I'm on the 2nd floor): https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/WebCam/cam02 [08:41] tritium: btw, MacOS X 10.4 out [08:41] yep [08:44] trulux, so are you hoping that blonde girl will be there again today? ;) [08:47] tritium: not really ;D [08:47] I will try if sometime I get there ;) [08:48] try what, trulux ? [08:48] to look beyond the camera [08:48] *grin* [08:49] heh === Burgundavia [~corey@S01060050bfff2437.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] fabbione: ping [09:04] tritium: just scrolled around the tabs and that blond girl you were talking about seems back === trulux grins [09:17] trulux, is that right? [09:20] man! 50 million downloads of firefox [09:22] Progeny Debian 3.0 has a graphical installer... [09:23] its based on anaconda [09:23] which is crack. [09:23] yeah [09:24] hey tseng [09:24] tseng, what is so crackish about anaconda? I understand it is, but have never heard the full explanation [09:24] Burgundavia: it has alot of bad python [09:25] ah [09:25] and the gentoo fanboy making an anaconda installer [09:25] he put his base tarballs in an rpm [09:25] lol [09:25] im not sure if progeny made it grok deb or not [09:26] tritium: yep [09:26] tseng: hey [09:26] Burgundavia: its pretty tied to redhat [09:26] hi [09:27] ok [09:27] tseng: I'm doing the portability job for the ssp kernel level helpers [09:27] tseng: I have a job for you: find someone to test them [09:27] I don't have the needed infrastructure [09:27] nor time to check, I just believe they will work [09:28] fabbione: I've ported the patch to alpha,ppc,ia64 and arm [09:28] we arent targetting ssp [09:28] and I still thing ssp in the kernel is crack [09:29] ssp apps in a non-ssp glibc chroot isnt a compelling use case to me [09:29] tseng: ... you're again wrong ... [09:29] tseng: what about integration? what about having a weak reporting routine? [09:30] I don't want to talk about it again, too much already said [09:30] integration with? [09:30] tseng: SELinux in the near future [09:30] I must be too dumb for you. [09:31] tseng: just I have a larger wide range of view, and some imagination for this job [09:31] that sounds like a cool idea [09:31] linking avc to it [09:31] tseng: no, the audit framework [09:31] that's what would rock [09:31] sure === trulux reveals his kernel domination project [09:32] we really need a ssp implementation that is upstream-able [09:33] yeah, I just suck on explaining what I do, most times people believe I'm a jerk that doesn't do anything, until I bomb out a good set of patches or send an out-dated mail to the list ;P [09:33] tseng: I need someone to do the basic politics, I need some new volunteers [09:34] I can't waste a lot of time doing excessive packaging [09:34] excessive? [09:34] i can think of < 10 packages you have [09:34] anway yeah we set the agenda this week, SSP didnt make it [09:34] without packaging you have nothing concrete to show for [09:34] so i wont be working on it this cycle [09:35] zul: I was talking in other terms, currently we need a consistent base before doing any packaging, and that means doing upstream job [09:35] there is plenty more to do with universe security, mono, maybe some selinux patching up. [09:35] tseng: I agree, mono kid [09:35] :) [09:35] anyways, I've got 7 free days to mess with all of this stuff [09:36] if you want to be more involved in ubuntu, you'll have to work closer to the rest of us instead of on your own numerous tagential paths [09:36] if you want to go your own way, fine [09:36] i cant help you get testing and devs for your "crack of the day" ssp stuff or selinux addons [09:37] tseng: I agree, it's just that we gain momentum, thus, we have time to do the deployment and integration work [09:37] tseng: so, how was the BOF, finally? [09:37] tseng: I'm on the sysctl stuff [09:37] which? [09:37] cool [09:37] tseng: SELinux [09:38] it was mostly ajmitch and I [09:38] tseng: *shrug*, I asked ajmitch to call him (phone) for talking on it [09:38] we'll start looking at the patches and pushing them to maintainers [09:38] but now it's too late [09:38] ok, great [09:38] the bugs are already in the bugzilla [09:38] prolly from FC4 [09:38] I'm tracking FC4 selinux work [09:39] le tme worry about it, you must be fresh and cool with the patches integration [09:39] so about ssp, thats a regular thing you are pushing [09:39] i dont think we are going to make any headway on it in ubuntu until something is maintained upstream [09:39] not by etoh [09:41] Etoh is not too fast at working on it, but he does it well [09:41] thats fine.. we move gcc faster than etoh [09:41] its not going to happen while that is the case [09:41] I think I will focuse on my career the next months, improving some skills, I need money [09:41] right [09:42] bbl, dinner [09:42] I'll be back in 15 minutes === bur[n] er [~norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] now that java is in backports repository... could someone snag the azureus .deb from sid and put in universe?? [09:43] backports != ubuntu [09:43] well damn [09:43] what's the relation ship between backports and universe? [09:43] we dont support and, and we arent going to add something based on a backport [09:43] maybe I should ask the backports folks :) [09:43] (relationship) [09:43] sorry tseng, my bad [09:43] maybe you should all work on ubuntu :( [09:44] tseng, what do you mean? [09:44] i didn't mean to cause any tension, just curious [09:45] tritium: backports are evil, and people could study up a bit more on packaging and join MOTU, do something proactive [09:45] bur[n] er, you didn't cause any tension [09:45] bur[n] er, but still, you could say "hello" when you come in :-) [09:46] we are looking into doing java for breezy using GCJ [09:46] hello ;) [09:46] hi bur[n] er ;-) [09:46] greetings, bur[n] er [09:46] tseng, the mess between gcj, classpath, each one's strenghts and weaknesses, is cleared out? [09:47] gcj == free right? [09:47] g = GNU, I hope so :-) [09:47] I guess you could call it a right, and yes, it's free ;) [09:48] free it is [09:49] herve, in addition to those, there's at least swingwt, which might be useful as a more complete swing/awt implementation... [09:49] (no, dunno about clearing out the messes) [09:49] tseng: back [09:49] 7 minutes, new record :) [09:49] mjr, that's my point, there's a constellation of free java alternatives, each one focusing on a issue [09:50] yeah, just pointing out one major one [09:51] tseng: could you tell me what exactly are the goals of the kernel patches proposed by the pro. sec. bof? [09:51] trulux: its very clear on the wiki [09:51] the biggest thing we want is the tmp race fix [09:51] tseng: no, I mean, upstream submission [09:51] upstream for that would be nice [09:51] tseng: dilinger desires [09:51] yes. [09:52] tseng: ok, working on it [09:52] dilinger talks to mm === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matth [matth@uruk-hai.bioinformatics.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] tseng: ok, where do you think it should be (the sysctl entry)? [09:54] no idea [09:54] its 6am [09:54] I won't add a new domain (ie. SECURITY=11) [09:55] tseng: it's 22:00 here fater a long week, I'm suffering somewhat type of No-i-won't-sleep illness and I'm tired too [09:55] but I'm the kid behind the sysctl interface being modified, who needs to know where to put the beatiful entry [09:56] I don't remember kids are playing with systcl :-) [09:56] but admitedly, I'm old-fashioned ;-) [09:57] herve: then I'm a strange kid, anyways.... :) [09:59] hmm, seems the classpath awt/swing is in better shape than I thought... [10:11] fabbione: is mips support imperative? I need to work out tseng's stuff and I've rent a movie in the videostore, it's waiting in the table and I'm too sleepy to wait more for watching it [10:11] ;) [10:12] fabbione: we arent even build on mips afaik [10:12] er, trulux [10:13] <\sh> evening gentlemen [10:14] <\sh> herve: ping [10:15] evening and pong, \sh [10:15] <\sh> herve: u read my comment to the eric3 bug? [10:16] either I replied to it, or you're talking about another one I did not have notifcation for [10:18] <\sh> herve: u said, that we should replace python qt and sip....well...I'm waiting for the new version of pyqt and pykde...there r some bugs in it and the upstream dev will fix it in 1 or 2 weeks..after this I will update the packages [10:18] tseng: that's it, ok, thanks [10:19] \sh, ok, I don't even remember it :-) old comment? [10:20] <\sh> hehe...didn't read your new comment ;) [10:20] <\sh> the old one of yours ;) [10:21] I need to dive again into it [10:21] which I'm not able to do without having *slept* ! [10:21] <\sh> ok..I'll make some dpatches tomorrow :) [10:21] herve: why? take some oz of Offee [10:21] <\sh> just because i need sleep as well :) [10:22] <\sh> too many beers yesterday with our nagra consultans [10:22] trulux, oz? the wizard? :-) nah, just need to *sleep*! [10:22] <\sh> and I'm an old man ;) [10:23] herve: no, 50oz of coffee: http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=50+oz+to+kg&btnG=BAsqueda+en+Google&meta= [10:23] 50 ounces = 1.41747616 kilograms [10:23] it's based on the logarithm of kilograms? [10:23] just kidding :-) [10:23] ok [10:23] ;P [10:24] but sure 50 ounces of coffee will kill a man! [10:24] <\sh> not me ;) [10:24] <\sh> 1.4kg equals to 1.4l? [10:24] no, it will cause him the same effect that most Gentoo devs suffer [10:25] like being on too-much crack === trulux hides from tseng [10:25] \sh, depends on the density of the liquid you're considering [10:26] <\sh> then 1.4kg of coffee is 3l of coffee in our company..so I'm not dead u see :) [10:26] herve: hah, that amount of coffee won't get disolved in just 1.4l [10:26] :) [10:26] <\sh> finally, we have to discuss if we're talking about coffee powder, beans or ready to drink liquid coffee ;) [10:26] \sh: hah [10:27] <\sh> c [10:27] <\sh> cause 3l of black liquid coffee is no problem for me [10:28] 3 l makes two regular bottles of mineral water... [10:28] <\sh> yepp [10:29] <\sh> herve: ask ogra how much coffee i'll drink during a 8 hours workday :) [10:30] I'm afraid to :-) [10:31] <\sh> heh === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] <\sh> ok...bedtime :) [10:35] good idea === herzi [~herzi@p548DB8A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] yes it is, job can wait [10:50] bedtime too [10:50] night all! [10:54] trulux, sorry, back now [10:55] tritium: ok :) how was the work? [10:56] trulux, it's just administrivia I'm dealing with this afternoon. === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0AB9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S01060050bfff2437.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbac1 at Sat Apr 23 01:42:01 2005 === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-034-020.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [107f88b172@wolax8-170.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sybren [~sybren@hopjesvla.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] hi there [01:32] I was told I'd have to talk to you people if I wanted a package to be added to Universe [01:33] I'd like to see the package 'mkvtoolnix' in Ubuntu. There is already a Debian package that's statically linked, I see [01:33] One moment, I'll give that one a go and report back ;-) [01:33] what is it? [01:34] it's a toolkit for manipulating and creating Matroska files [01:35] Ubuntu has already support for those files via (amongst others) Xine [01:35] I thought it would be rather silly to have support for playing those files without being able to create them [01:35] and since it's a 100% free container format, I thought it fitted Ubuntu quite well === sybren [~sybren@hopjesvla.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] in case you don't know Matroska: it's an audio/video container format [01:38] quite a tad better than OGM [02:16] yep, the debian package works just fine [02:25] anyone still here? [02:39] <\sh> yeah [02:40] <\sh> please add your package to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates === dholbach [~daniel@p54A67A8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] hellas! [03:15] <\sh> huhu dholbach [03:19] <\sh> dholbach: home sweet home [03:25] \sh: yes :-) [03:27] <\sh> dholbach: tired or no jetlag at all? [03:28] tired completely [03:28] <\sh> hehe [03:33] i think i will take a nap === ogra [~ogra@p5089C065.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] <\sh> hey ogra [04:17] hey [04:17] <\sh> ogra: nice to have u back where u belong :) [04:18] hmm, i'm not really sure where is belong yet ;) jetlagging hard here [04:18] s/is/i/ === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] Hey folks === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-000-058.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [54b6710d85@wolax6-109.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@p54A65C09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mrimbert [~rimbert@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [06:44] tritium: Hey, congratulations on figuring out why there are unpopped kernels of popcorn.. ;-P [06:51] bddebian: hey there! Say again? === doko__ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-006-248.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:53] tritium: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050418/BUSINESS/504180327/1003 [06:54] Oh, okay. heh ;) [06:54] :-) [06:54] How's it going? [06:54] Shitty. You? [06:55] I'm okay. What's the matter? [06:56] Work, life, Debian, you name it.. :-) [06:57] Sorry to hear that, bddebian... [06:57] dholbach: http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hula/svn202/ [06:58] tritium: Bah, it's not that bad man, thanks. I just like to whine. :-) [06:59] But I'm going to lose my NM status and I still can't decide if I care or not.. :-) [07:00] bddebian: I'm trying to stay connected 24/7, using screen and irssi-text at home, so I can attach from my laptop wherever I'm at [07:00] Heh [07:00] herzi: can you put it on MOTUToReview? i seem to have to catch up with quite a load of things [07:00] And I thought I was an IRC addict.. ;-) [07:01] bddebian: trying not to be... === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.91.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] res [07:31] dholbach: can't edit that page [07:32] herzi: hm? [07:32] wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview ? [07:34] dholbach: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUToReview doesn't allow me to login, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/... does [07:40] for trying to build a package if I am getting dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source [07:40] debuild: fatal error at line 764: [07:40] dpkg-buildpackage failed! [07:40] what should I do to fix that === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-91.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.91.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] ? === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] houba! [07:52] heya daniel! oliver! [07:53] Hi herve [07:54] michael too! [07:54] :-) [07:54] :) [07:58] Hello herve [07:58] Betcha don't know my name.. ;-P [07:58] Barry? [07:58] Doh [07:58] Yes [07:58] heya barry!! [07:58] :-) [07:58] :-) [07:59] You didn't cheat and use /whois did you?? :-) [07:59] right click on your nickname, does it count? [08:00] Yep :) === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> orwell.freenode.net === Riddell [jr@jriddell.kde] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] i'll remember it for the next time then [08:01] No worries === Riddell_ [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] dpkg-source: debuild: fatal error at line 764: where is the file I need to look at or how should I go about fixing this [08:05] unrepresentable changes to source [08:06] jabra, there should be some binary file that you didn't delete properly or something similar [08:06] ok cool thanks [08:06] or the "make clean" didn't delete [08:07] alternatively, you introduced a binary file, yes [08:07] ok cool I wil try that and see if that fixes things [08:11] ok everything looks like it worked but my key had errors [08:11] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available [08:11] debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... [08:11] debuild: fatal error at line 787: [08:13] do you have a GPG key? [08:13] hey herve [08:14] jabra: you seem to have not changed debian/changelog or don't have a gpg key [08:14] yes, not changing the changelog is harmful too :-) [08:15] there you see the master of the masters of the universe ;-) [08:15] jabra, you can force the use of a gpg key with the -k option [08:15] or ignore it with --us --uc :-) [08:20] ok I will check those [08:21] if it is a new package what should be in the changelog? [08:21] you could use dh-make for a new package [08:21] right [08:21] that is wat I am using [08:21] or dch for debian/changelog in general [08:22] ho yes! [08:22] always use dch for changing the changelog! [08:22] dch -Dbreezy for ubuntu [08:22] it just says initial release [08:22] emailadress and name alright? [08:22] ya [08:23] jabra, you're making a new package? [08:23] ya [08:23] ha! [08:23] different matter then :-) [08:23] well this package isn't new , only new to ubuntu [08:23] I will be making a new package soon for ubuntu [08:24] so there's an existing debian directory? [08:24] ya [08:27] and you're not the actual maintainer? [08:27] jabra: you have a gpg key? [08:27] yes [08:28] wait it isn't the full name in the config [08:31] can I change the name with from dh_make [08:31] i have these in .bashrc [08:31] export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach' [08:32] export DEBEMAIL='dh@mailempfang.de' [08:32] o ok cool thanks [08:32] maybe you still need dh_make -e or something [08:32] ya but the name wasn't my full name whihc is probalby why it failed on the gpg key [08:33] yes it probably needs the name your gpg key is associated to [08:37] ok done [08:37] anyone wanta test radmind ? [08:38] not yet [08:38] should I just post it to the wiki [08:38] jabra, you read the new maintainer's guide, [08:38] ? [08:39] yes [08:40] so you should know you need to test your package by yourself at first :-) [08:40] ya obviously [08:40] installing, removing, reinstalling, force installing, purging, reinstalling... [08:40] and it should fail a single time [08:40] gotcha [08:40] should *not* [08:40] :-) [08:40] right === tritium_ [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:43] hi matthias too :-) [08:55] herve: aight I tested it [08:56] you mean it passed the test? [08:56] ya it passed [08:57] good, while I'm waiting for trulux [08:57] I think I can review it [08:57] but be warned [08:57] I'm not easy :-) [08:58] ok who is [08:58] jk should I email it to you? [08:58] url [08:58] k [09:02] trulux, how are things? [09:03] herve: let me know wat I need to fix [09:03] jabra, I need the *source* package :-) [09:03] ok [09:09] so you want the .orig source or just the source [09:09] orig.tar.gz .dsc and .diff.gz [09:09] k [09:10] sorry for all the dumb questions [09:11] jabra: they're not dumb at all [09:11] ho yes [09:11] don't tell me you made a native package with no diff.gz :-) [09:12] herve: even if jabra had: that's how all of us started ;-) [09:13] no there is a diff === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.72.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] ok I admit, I found it cool to write a software package debianizable from scratch [09:15] Hehe [09:15] but now I understand much more what I do [09:15] it's like doing xhtml, I understood a week ago why I and many others were doing it bad [09:18] Unless your ignorant like me.. :-) [09:21] unless the web is not your job :-) [09:22] Bah I know a lot of people who don't know shit about their "jobs".. :-) [09:22] ho don't tell me... [09:22] dholbach: ok http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/radmind.html [09:22] let me know what I need to fix [09:22] well, now I'm thinking about all the crap I believed in and taugh... *fear* [09:23] jabra: could you please put it on: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages [09:23] ok [09:23] jabra, it's not a well formed html document :-p [09:23] I told you I'm not easy! [09:23] jabra: i have still a lot of stuff to do, so i will get back to it at some stage [09:23] no, kidding, that's not our matter [09:23] heh ok [09:24] herve: I will put in on the wiki that ok? [09:24] that is well formed enough [09:24] dholbach, anyway, I think he should have asked, since I told him I'll review it :-) [09:24] i'll be happy to review it... but just not today :-) [09:24] hmm not really, it's serving html with an xhtml syntax [09:25] after 22h in the plane i feel a bit... shitty [09:25] ho no, let's not feed the troll :-) [09:25] herve: what would you like me to do [09:25] jabra, I'll review you package [09:25] ok cool thanks [09:25] me too === jabra runs for cover [09:25] feel free to add an entry to the wiki meanwhile [09:26] will do after I have to rebuild it [09:26] dholbach, seen this little tempest meets teapot? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00000.html [09:26] herve: are you going to email me or pm me or something? [09:27] also I have my public key off my main site just delete the word build in the url [09:28] jabra, you active presence on the chan sure helps [09:28] your key isn't really usefull [09:28] I can't trust it [09:28] Burgundavia: i'm getting a headache [09:29] Burgundavia, I was about to write "well, write to Ubuntu instead of complaining on Debian lists, *this* will not feed the troll." [09:29] indeed [09:29] then the author of the pages an mdz answered === tritium_ [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [09:44] herve: wat should I do about the key? [09:46] keep it warm [09:46] make it sign by others [09:46] so you enter the web of trust [09:47] ok well I just created it recently so will you not review my package until I enter the web of trust and what do I need to do to get other to sign it . (like key sign party) [09:49] jabra, you just gave the answer :) [09:49] thought so [09:49] jabra, meet a person you want to sign your key in person (doesnt necessarily need to be a signing party) [09:50] I will get a bunch of my friends to have a key signing thing [09:50] ok [09:51] jabra, that doesn't prevent me from reviewing your package [09:51] ah, yes... the key is only needed for upload rights... [09:51] just that I cannot trust the identity of the person who did it [09:51] which I strictly don't care for now [09:51] herve: ok cool thanks [09:52] ogra, glad to hear you :-) [09:52] heh cool [09:52] see you tomorrow [09:52] hey herve [09:52] :) [09:52] bye dholbach [09:53] I will have my key signed tomorrow [09:54] jabra, first thing [09:54] I saw you changed 3 files outside the debian/ dir [09:54] generally speaking, you should use dpatch for changes [09:54] (will I'll show you later) [09:54] but these are config.guess and config.sub [09:55] I guess it's an allowed exception [09:55] but about build-deps [09:55] if you changed it for your debian needs, it's a candidate for the dpatch system [09:55] otherwise, the fixed version should be in a new upstream tarball [09:57] jabra, you intend to see you package some day in the future? [09:57] or just ubuntu? [09:58] jabra, please remove .ex files [09:58] these are examples from dh-make to remove if not needed [09:58] debian/control is obviously not ready [09:59] debian/copyright almost worst :-) [09:59] please read debian/README.Debian :-) [10:00] and use lintian ;) [10:00] that would have been my word of conclusion [10:01] you introduce a dependency on autotools-dev but don't declare it in your debian/control [10:02] in debian/rules, remove dh_* command in comment if you don't need them [10:02] and last but not least [10:02] install linda and lintian [10:02] rebuild your package [10:02] use linda [10:02] ok [10:02] they will say more or less the same thing than me [10:02] thanks ogra and encolpe, my two padawans :-) [10:03] heh [10:03] hehe === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.91.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] can the description be longer than 60 chars? [10:11] hi [10:12] hi ajmitch [10:12] res [10:13] jabra, I think your debian/control is informative enough [10:13] it says up to 60 chars [10:13] the best I can do is like 90 ish [10:14] so you give too much information [10:15] just wondering if anyone is going to complain about that [10:15] yes, me :-) [10:16] and lintian :) [10:16] ogra, I'm worst than lintian! muhahaha! [10:16] ajmitch!!! [10:16] jabra, remember you have Debian's new maintainer's guide in your hands [10:17] herve, but you both are not as imporant as elmo, who will just not accept it ;) [10:18] sure, but the package wouldn't have passed the herve workflow anyway ;) [10:19] jabra, if you want elmo, herve or any other MOTU to accept a package, just make sure its lintian clean [10:19] ok good to know [10:19] herve, btw.... we should finally make you official ;) [10:20] ogra, no answer from elmo [10:20] herve, he's jetlagging (like most of us) [10:20] clean as snow [10:20] I love snow [10:20] let it snow, let it snow, let it snoooooow === herve hasn't taken his pills yet... [10:21] heh [10:21] ogra, I was told he came back (from something else?) last monday, I was misinformed [10:21] yep... [10:21] i saw him yesterday leaving sydney [10:22] lucky you all, you were there :-/ [10:23] herve, currently it doesnt feel to good (just woke up from falling asleep over my keyboard) [10:23] jetlag is evil [10:24] that's my little revenge! muhahaha! [10:24] heh === ajmitch has to go to work, will try & recover sleep there :) [10:24] anyway, daniel's postcard was nice [10:24] ajmitch, you're jetlagging too? :-) [10:24] no [10:24] heh [10:25] hey ajmitch [10:25] but I had to sleep in the airport on sunday night [10:25] hi ogra [10:26] ajmitch, come on, go to work! :-p === ajmitch goes to work [10:45] ok obviosly this isn't ideal but package something that includes a shell script with no man page any thoughts? [10:46] there are man pages for everything else but not this script [10:47] is this shell script a command accessible from the shell prompt? [10:47] good questions I think so [10:47] a man page will be included in the next version of the package [10:47] if so, this is a bug with regard to the debian policy [10:47] right [10:48] next version will include a man page but can it still be included despite not having the man page? [10:50] if there are other forms of help, probably [10:50] note it's not a policy violation, though [10:51] there a packages still in debian with serious bugs against them ;-) [10:54] night all! === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] <\sh> re guys [11:13] <\sh> oh I hate washing salons [11:16] <\sh> hmmm [11:16] <\sh> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/debian_founder_not_allowed_on_planet_debian-2005-05-02-16-36