[12:00] <qweqw> #gentoo is full of bitches
[12:00] <knoppix> is there any way to burn a cd using knoppix_
[12:00] <netfighter> LOL
[12:00] <knoppix> live cd
[12:00] <hybrid> lol
[12:00] <chavo> I can't remember the error exactly, it was about two months ago when I installed a kubuntu nightly.
[12:00] <chavo> knoppix,  k3b is on there, no?
[12:01] <netfighter> knoppix yep, try k3b in knoppix
[12:01] <Burgundavia> Epix, killing esd won't fix muine
[12:01] <Epix> knoppix, this is #ubuntu, not #knoppix. idiot
[12:01] <Epix> Burgundavia, what will fix it?
[12:01] <chavo> Epix, watch the language dude, take a deep breath.
[12:01] <qweqw> come on now
[12:01] <aimaz> my hotplug for usb is pretty well broken, does anyone have some suggestions what could be going wrong, the device disappears during file copies from the cfdisk
[12:02] <qweqw> is idiot so offensive
[12:02] <chavo> did you even see what the guy was asking?
[12:02] <qweqw> good lord
[12:02] <aimaz> the problem persists after a reboot
[12:02] <qweqw> can't even insult someone these days
[12:02] <knoppix> Epix, sorry, but I was asking stuff about ubuntu
[12:02] <chavo> qweqw, shut up idiot.
[12:02] <qweqw> without some do-gooder interfering
[12:02] <qweqw> well?
[12:02] <chavo> qweqw, it wasn't called for.
[12:02] <qweqw> where's the superhero
[12:02] <knoppix> then I asked about burning a cd using knoppix only with a dvdrecorder drive
[12:02] <Epix> qweqw, or not.. :P
[12:02] <chavo> If someone is an idiot call them an idiot.
[12:02] <qweqw> to reprimand chavo
[12:03] <chavo> This just leads me to beleive that Epix is a moron.
[12:03] <qweqw> ah, so there is an objective standard idiot
[12:03] <Epix> chavo, shut up
[12:03] <battledragun> how would I mount my harddrive from the ubuntu installer disk?
[12:03] <Epix> qweqw, yes. see RFC18323235
[12:03] <netfighter> Dude, this is not #debian, you shouldn't go after someone's neck because they make a mistake
[12:04] <qweqw> i think i'll smoke some reefer instead
[12:04] <knoppix> so does anyone know how to burn a cd using only knoppix and just a recorder drive where knoppix cd is inserted in live session
[12:04] <chillywilly> IIIEars: it's usb but I have an adapter on it
[12:04] <chillywilly> usb2ps2
[12:04] <thechitowncubs> is there anyway to modify kde apps themes within gnome
[12:04] <Epix> knoppix, #knoppix knows. so does google
[12:04] <fightingfortofu> how do i change the tv out resolution?
[12:04] <hybrid> well if we wanna get techinally everyone is always dissing #debian
[12:04] <qweqw> knoppix, unpossible
[12:04] <knoppix> ok
[12:04] <hybrid> thats uncalled for and we know they r sensitive
[12:05] <zerotime> hey
[12:05] <chavo> And this place is slowly turning into #debian
[12:05] <IIIEars> ah - okay just wondered. my cat has chewed on mine going to need a new one. and feed the cat a little more tuna in the future of course.
[12:05] <hybrid> chavo: nah thats overkill
[12:06] <chavo> Well I've never actually been in #debian, so hopefully you're right.
[12:06] <c0ntrol> chavo: i never even used either debian or ubuntu ;)
[12:06] <c0ntrol> still,  i am here too
[12:07] <qweqw> i use them both!
[12:07] <qweqw> f33r
[12:07] <c0ntrol> lol
[12:07] <battledragun> ok, with hoary, my usb will not work, it works fine with warty, is thisproblem being looked at?
me too!</aol>
[12:07] <bur[n] er> is anyone out there able to run "xtightvncviewer -listen" successfully and have it wait?
[12:07] <bur[n] er> i get X-font errors
[12:08] <bur[n] er> battledragun: my usb works with hoary :P
[12:08] <qweqw> yes
[12:08] <qweqw> runs fine
[12:08] <battledragun> usb 1.1? i'm getting time out errors
[12:08] <bur[n] er> yes
[12:08] <netfighter> battledragun, check out the forum, they might have somthing
[12:08] <bur[n] er> on using what device?
[12:08] <bur[n] er> a usd drive?
[12:08] <hybrid> usd
[12:08] <qweqw> oh my!
[12:08] <hybrid> lol
[12:08] <battledragun> netfighter: already did =/ nothing worked
[12:08] <qweqw> my drugs are here
[12:08] <bur[n] er> mmm drugs
[12:09] <battledragun> had to downgrade to warty
[12:09] <qweqw> indeed
[12:09] <hybrid> lol what kinda
[12:09] <bur[n] er> battledragun: usbview show anything?
[12:09] <bur[n] er> oh
[12:09] <bur[n] er> nevermind
[12:09] <qweqw> the kind that make you listen to techno
[12:09] <bur[n] er> nothing wrong with warty :)
[12:09] <hybrid> qweqw: lol
[12:09] <IIIEars> << glad to have linux,  Windows was driving me to drink
[12:09] <bur[n] er> ohh... dirty bathtub drigs :\
[12:09] <battledragun> dunno, i liked hoary better :/
[12:09] <bur[n] er> drugs even
[12:09] <qweqw> well
[12:09] <aseigo_> IIIEars: heh.. now the drinking is just a life style choice? ;)
[12:10] <qweqw> yeah
[12:10] <bur[n] er> << glad to have linux, linux drives me to puff :)
[12:10] <IIIEars> lol
[12:10] <hybrid> IIIEars: yea but windows is nice to have and the lady asks why youre drinkin
[12:10] <chromate> hello... i haven't done anything funny with my hotplug config/module loading config so everything should be running as default does under hoary. in any case, my problem is that i've got a usb2 device that is being loaded by uhci_hcd (the usb1) module. i tried unloading the module so that only ehci_hcd was loaded but that didn't detect any connects/disconnects. any ideas?
[12:10] <IIIEars> lol
[12:10] <qweqw> my brain is super-resilient, however
[12:11] <qweqw> all the cells are very strong.. i know, because they've survived
[12:11] <aseigo_> drinking weeds out the weak ones
[12:11] <aseigo_> and therefore strengthens the herd
[12:11] <qweqw> yeah
[12:11] <netfighter> Well, if u check out the BSDs, you might go back to drinking again
[12:11] <aseigo_> kind of like lions who attack the weak and dieing...
[12:11] <qweqw> that's my philosophy exactly
[12:11] <Moo> I need help.
[12:12] <bur[n] er> chromate: lsmod |grep usbcore ?
[12:12] <Moo> I get GRUB error 18
[12:12] <hybrid> Moo: we cant supply mental help
[12:12] <IIIEars> we only help with linux issues?
[12:12] <qweqw> my thoughts exactly..
[12:12] <shale> is it ok to mount an ntfs partition r/w and write to it with a default ubuntu install??
[12:12] <ThomasWinwood> Where can I find an MP3 plugin for rhythmbox? Synaptive turns up nothing helpful?
[12:12] <qweqw> i can do a good psychiatrist impression, though
[12:12] <Freedomzen> Moo: ok well what happens
[12:12] <bur[n] er> ThomasWinwood: check out ubuntuguide.org
[12:12] <shale> ThomasWinwood, google for "ubuntu restricted formats"
[12:12] <aseigo_> qweqw: listen, nod and charge $300/hr?
[12:12] <chromate> bur[n] er: didn't have to do anything special?
[12:12] <qweqw> Moo, how do you feel about that error?
[12:12] <bur[n] er> chromate: not a thing, just worked
[12:13] <Moo> GRUB is loading. Please Wait... | Error 18
[12:13] <netfighter> ThomasWinwood, have u tried w32codecs?
[12:13] <bur[n] er> chromate: the device show up in "usbview" ?
[12:13] <qweqw> come on, give them more credit
[12:13] <aseigo_> shale: i wouldn't =)
[12:13] <Freedomzen> Moo: do you have a floppy drive?
[12:13] <bur[n] er> netfighter: w32codecs is not mp3
[12:13] <IIIEars> mp123? - jeez my brain needs a drink
[12:13] <qweqw> think about the tedium of writing prescriptions
[12:13] <chromate> bur[n] er: i don't believe i have that program
[12:13] <bur[n] er> netfighter: gstreamer0.8-mad is
[12:13] <shale> aseigo_, why not?
[12:13] <Moo> Freedomzen: yes
[12:13] <blahrus> crimsun: you around?
[12:13] <Freedomzen> ok is it attached
[12:13] <bur[n] er> chromate: apt-get it ;)
[12:13] <bur[n] er> or use the device manager
[12:13] <bur[n] er> u should see it in the ubuntu device manager too
[12:13] <chromate> bur[n] er: yes, it shows up
[12:14] <Freedomzen> cause I had that prob and I ran grub-install --no-floppy
[12:14] <hybrid> brb
[12:14] <aseigo_> shale: the ntfs drivers that can do writing are still very young.
[12:14] <Moo> Freedomzen: it is attatched
[12:14] <bur[n] er> chromate: what kinda device?  usb drive?
[12:14] <Freedomzen> :/
[12:14] <shale> oh
[12:14] <shale> so it would screw up the ntfs partition?
[12:14] <chromate> bur[n] er: ah, i meant the chipset shows up. haven't plugged in the device. but yes its a usb drive
[12:14] <aseigo_> shale: i'm not even sure if ubuntu ships with them as i don't use ntfs anywhere, but even if it does and there's anything on that partition you actually value, i wouldn't
[12:14] <bur[n] er> chromate: check when the device is plugged in
[12:14] <bur[n] er> then if it is htere
[12:14] <Freedomzen> any chance of this initrd bug in breezy being fixed
[12:14] <bur[n] er> try to mount it by hand
[12:14] <bur[n] er> see if that works
[12:15] <shale> it mounts the partition just fine.
[12:15] <xMaximex> What should i write to get a 75hz refresh rate ??? Right now it's like that :
[12:15] <xMaximex> Section "Monitor"
[12:15] <xMaximex>         Identifier      "\uffffcran g\uffffn\uffffrique"
[12:15] <xMaximex>         Option          "DPMS"
[12:15] <xMaximex>         HorizSync       28-49
[12:15] <xMaximex>         VertRefresh     43-72
[12:15] <xMaximex> EndSection
[12:15] <Freedomzen> :/
[12:15] <Freedomzen> got my highwaters on
[12:15] <bur[n] er> xMaximex: use the gui tool to change it :P
[12:15] <netfighter> I would ditch my Win partirion w/o blinking if I could only get my DVD player to work decently in Ubuntu
[12:15] <^vir^> shale invest in paragon ntfs if you really need write access to nt drives
[12:15] <netfighter> The movies look a bit choppy
[12:15] <xMaximex> bur[n] er, the maximum is 60hz in the resolution tool
[12:15] <chromate> bur[n] er: should it show up as a new listing?
[12:15] <bur[n] er> netfighter: apt-get install totem-xine
[12:15] <indigirl1> netfighter: use hdparm
[12:15] <Moo> Freedomzen: What should I do?
[12:15] <netfighter> I've tried both
[12:16] <IIIEars> yes there is an interesting ntfs $ option on sysinternals.com also
[12:16] <Freedomzen> Moo: dont know bud is it ide raid?
[12:16] <bur[n] er> chromate: new listing where?
[12:16] <indigirl1> netfighter: turn on dma and 32bit and etc
[12:16] <Moo> Freedomzen: I dont think so.
[12:16] <netfighter> indigirl1, I actually tried it and it works great for about an hour, after that I get an error
[12:16] <marc74> can anyone help me get java runtime environment installed into ubuntu?
[12:16] <thechitowncubs> what is the best music app for large libraries?
[12:16] <Freedomzen> Moo: I mean do you use IDE or RAID
[12:16] <Moo> oh
[12:16] <Moo> IDE
[12:16] <chromate> bur[n] er: okay, the usb2.0 hub shows up under device manager but no hard drive
[12:16] <Freedomzen> ok
[12:16] <Freedomzen> :/
[12:16] <marc74> for mozilla/firefox
[12:17] <Freedomzen> try grub-install --no-floppy hd0
[12:17] <netfighter> indigirl1, I can always go back and look after the scene and stuff, but the movie gets interrupted, so it's quite a hassl
[12:17] <Moo> Freedomzen: how?
[12:17] <bur[n] er> chromate: odd.. is your usb hub powered?
[12:17] <fightingfortofu> what does Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. from mplayer mean?
[12:17] <chromate> bur[n] er: if it is its on the motherboard...
[12:17] <bur[n] er> the usb drive may take more juice than the hub puts out
[12:18] <bur[n] er> its' not an external "hub" then?
[12:18] <chromate> bur[n] er: the drive is powered independently
[12:18] <indigirl1> fightingfortofu: are you trying it in the console?
[12:18] <chromate> bur[n] er: no, i probably meant controller
[12:18] <bur[n] er> gotcha
[12:18] <bur[n] er> well... odd
[12:18] <fightingfortofu> indigirl1, no, how does that work, mplayer filename?
[12:18] <Freedomzen> Moo: boot cd wait ubtil it loads all ide modules alt-ctrl-f2 mount /dev/yourrootdevice /mnt/ chroot /mnt then run the command
[12:18] <indigirl1> fightingfortofu: mplayer -vo svga filename
[12:19] <Moo> ok
[12:19] <fightingfortofu> indigirl1, thanks ill try that
[12:19] <^vir^> aseigo_, where did you see that?
[12:19] <aseigo_> ^vir^: a friend's place ...
[12:19] <netfighter> by the way, has anyone tried a desktop mngr besides Gnome or KDe in Ubuntu? how does it work?
[12:19] <indigirl1> netfighter: much faster
[12:19] <aseigo_> ^vir^: no idea who made it .. i'm not much of a hardware geek. try to avoid it actually ;)
[12:19] <netfighter> indigirl1, which one?
[12:20] <^vir^> i used enlightenment netfighter
[12:20] <fightingfortofu> indigirl1, that came up with a bunch of errors
[12:20] <netfighter> That's the one I want to try
[12:20] <darkaudit> netfighter: running XFCE now... also using fluxbox
[12:20] <aseigo_> fightingfortofu: try -vo x11
[12:20] <indigirl1> netfighter: xfce, icewm, fluxbox
[12:20] <^vir^> can you find out aseigo_  cos i'm interested
[12:20] <IIIEars> xfce is nice
[12:20] <indigirl1> netfighter: windowmaker, etc
[12:20] <aseigo_> fightingfortofu: if it's using the xv video out, then only one thing can use it at a time
[12:20] <bur[n] er> flux is nice too :)
[12:20] <netfighter> enlightment looks very cool, but I don't know if it is quite stable
[12:20] <aseigo_> fightingfortofu: the x11 one is more flexible that way, though more limited as well
[12:21] <fightingfortofu> aseigo_, like mplayer -vo x11 filename?
[12:21] <aseigo_> fightingfortofu: exactly.. btw, you a veggie?
[12:21] <qweqw> xfce4 kicks ass
[12:21] <^vir^> e17 will be the future i reckon
[12:21] <fightingfortofu> aseigo_, yes vegan!
[12:21] <IIIEars> << offers ***marc a cap - what was your question?
[12:21] <hybrid> qweqw xfce rules
[12:21] <indigirl1> they're all better than gnome and kde
[12:21] <qweqw> yeah, gnome desktop sucks, kde the same
[12:21] <netfighter> At least it has style, compared to fvwm or that thing, looks AWFUL
[12:22] <marc74> i'm trying to get java runtime going on mozilla
[12:22] <^vir^> gnome & kde are ok
[12:22] <indigirl1> marc74: download jre from sun's website
[12:22] <marc74> did it
[12:22] <hybrid> ^vir^: e17 can it run on ppc b/c of the right click?
[12:22] <IIIEars> ***marc - NP - relax buddy we will help you are in the right place.
[12:22] <DarwinsBulldog> Ubuntu is the first distro I have tried that actually has a gnome setup I like.
[12:22] <Freedomzen> http://www.linuxcult.com/vgallery/v_showentry.php?s=&categoryid=16&entryid=20179
[12:22] <marc74> thanks ppl
[12:22] <Freedomzen> my enlightenment
[12:22] <netfighter> DarwinsBulldog, same here
[12:22] <marc74> i'm new at linux here
[12:22] <IIIEars> take a couple of deep breaths and ask your question
[12:22] <qweqw> yeah, it's not bad
[12:22] <fightingfortofu> aseigo_, that worked.. why cant i do from the desktop with icons and stuff in gnome?
[12:22] <hybrid> marc74: it is an awesome road ahead
[12:23] <marc74> i have a root terminal open to
[12:23] <qweqw> hogs too many resources, though
[12:23] <marc74> too*
[12:23] <marc74> do i use alien?
[12:23] <^vir^> not sure hybrid don't own a mac but yeah both buttons are used
[12:23] <marc74> i've followed their instructions, but no luch
[12:23] <DarwinsBulldog> Still, tomorrow I embark onmy new IT project of making an LFS linux install
[12:23] <cens0red> good moaning.
[12:23] <qweqw> i tried that once
[12:23] <hybrid> marc74: i am juss barely out of noob stage [i think everyone in here prolly thinks i am still a n00b tho:P] 
[12:23] <IIIEars> << (120 hours as a confirmed linux user)
[12:23] <icebalm> hybrid: how come you haven't replaced your gimpy useless mouse with a real one yet?
[12:23] <marc74> jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin is the file i have
[12:23] <indigirl1> marc74: probably extract the jre into plugin folder
[12:23] <netfighter> I really like what the Art theme is doing, the icons and the combination are beautiful
[12:24] <DarwinsBulldog> marc, have you followed the instructions in the unofficial ubuntu guide ?
[12:24] <qweqw> can't say that my distro was very good, though
[12:24] <qweqw> crap is more like it
[12:24] <marc74> is that on the hp?
[12:24] <bodaciousb> can anyone point me in the direction of a guide to install Wine/winex/cedega or somehting that can sucessfully run Steam? ive treid 3 times already and i cant get it to run
[12:24] <marc74> i followed sun's directions
[12:24] <hybrid> icebalm: i am lazy and aint real big with mice on laptops
[12:24] <marc74> i tried rpm, but told me to use alien
[12:24] <marc74> so i'm trying to figure that out
[12:24] <icebalm> hybrid: ahhh, laptop
[12:24] <chavo> bodaciousb, it works under cedega for me.
[12:25] <DarwinsBulldog> Bod, does cedega work with anything else ?
[12:25] <indigirl1> marc74: check for a ubuntu help on the website
[12:25] <bodaciousb> chavo, thats what ive heard, but i cant get cedega to install and work
[12:25] <hybrid> icebalm: i could but it loox ugly
[12:25] <marc74> ok brb, thanks indigirl1
[12:25] <bodaciousb> chavo, the guide i was using was on linux-gamers.org, installing cvscedega
[12:25] <DarwinsBulldog> I have given up trying to play half-life 2 until we get ADSL here
[12:25] <IIIEars> bodacious - i haven't read everything but cedega is likely the only thing updated often enough to run steam.
[12:25] <zxc> anyone know how to change font size in gaim?
[12:25] <icebalm> hybrid: indeed, apple needs to drop their luddite ways
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> Next question - how do I get rhythmbox to play through my headphones rather than the speakers? (The headphones are USB, the speakers are not.)
[12:26] <IIIEars> steam keeps changing
[12:26] <marc74> i LOVE linux, just have to learn it
[12:26] <marc74> i'm used to clicking on files and they install themselves
[12:26] <lotusleaf> in soviet russia, linux learns you
[12:26] <hybrid> icebalm: they are they are workin on *gasp* two button mouse i read it on osnews
[12:26] <chavo> bodaciousb, that's odd. I usually have a hard time getting things to work with wine/cedega, but steam and half life 2 worked perfectly.
[12:26] <c0ntrol> marc74: now you love linux, you're gonna love GNU too , check out www.gnu.org
[12:26] <indigirl1> linux is much easier than 5 years ago
[12:26] <qweqw> i've been using it for 8 years and i still don't know much ;)
[12:26] <DarwinsBulldog> marc, have you looked at this ?: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:26] <hybrid> marc74:linux != easy but if it wz easy anyone could do it
[12:26] <qweqw> forgotten a whole lot
[12:26] <marc74> i'm a wiz at DOS but not linux shell
[12:26] <netfighter> indigirl1, linux is much easier than 2 years ago!
[12:26] <netfighter> even 1
[12:26] <^vir^> gnu makes up most of linux :p
[12:27] <marc74> i'll check that out too
[12:27] <marc74> GNU is awesome
[12:27] <hybrid> c0ntrol: gnu is not that great
[12:27] <qweqw> lol
[12:27] <icebalm> hybrid: halelujah@!@!
[12:27] <marc74> we can take apart programs and change them legally
[12:27] <bodaciousb> cha everytime i fail the install i totally reinstall linux also, have had no luck with cedega, wine could install it, but the fonts didnt show up, and i read that wine doesnt support steam
[12:27] <chet_> anyone gotten wep to work?
[12:27] <^vir^> gcc rocks
[12:27] <DarwinsBulldog> I think my first intro to linux was RH6
[12:27] <marc74> and they are free
[12:27] <chet_> ive looked at the forums but it didnt work
[12:27] <hybrid> icebalm: ?
[12:27] <c0ntrol> hybrid: why not?
[12:27] <ThomasWinwood> I still have my first Linux book.
[12:27] <marc74> i use g++ for my compiler
[12:27] <netfighter> I got CorelLinux, that was my 1st one and never worked in my laptop, then I got RH7.1
[12:27] <qweqw> me too
[12:27] <qweqw> lol
[12:27] <icebalm> hybrid: two button mice...
[12:27] <marc74> good program
[12:28] <DarwinsBulldog> bod, are you using the AMD64 version of Ubuntu ?
[12:28] <qweqw> i installed redhat from floppies, the first time
[12:28] <qweqw> ahh, them were the days
[12:28] <indigirl1> with a live boot cd anyone can use linux
[12:28] <qweqw> or something
[12:28] <hybrid> c0ntrol: i like some software of gnu but gnu is juss to standards
[12:28] <marc74> do they have a "how to" for the java runtime environment somewhere on ubuntu.com?
[12:28] <DarwinsBulldog> ThomasWinwood, so do I! Redhat Linux Unleased.
[12:28] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, nope 32bit
[12:28] <ThomasWinwood> "Discovering Linux".
[12:28] <^vir^> i got into linux through suse & linux storm
[12:28] <IIIEars> marc74 - check out Torsmo for a peak at the power of linux even a new user can do some amazing things Torsmo is a translucent system monitor desktop display that is near infinitely tweakable. :)
[12:28] <DarwinsBulldog> marc, check out this: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:28] <marc74> ok thanks
[12:29] <netfighter> indigirl1, unless they have a weird laptop. Laptops usually have lots or prop or closed hardware inside
[12:29] <indigirl1> IIIEars: is that really the test for the power of linux?
[12:29] <bodaciousb> if i can get steam working today, i will reformat my entire pc and make linux my primary OS today...
[12:29] <ThomasWinwood> I rebounded off RedHat and floated in the aether before tripping over Ubuntu.
[12:29] <DarwinsBulldog> bodaciousb, can you get cedega working with something less demanding than steam ?
[12:29] <marc74> you ppl use mozilla?
[12:29] <qweqw> i do
[12:29] <netfighter> marc74, firefox here
[12:29] <qweqw> 1.7.6
[12:29] <hybrid> HELL YEA
[12:29] <marc74> cool
[12:29] <IIIEars> if you have less than a week using linux? - yes - rofl - you are 'prolly right.
[12:29] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, i couldnt get it to lad the installer the first time,
[12:29] <c0ntrol> hybrid: what standards ?
[12:30] <indigirl1> netfighter: mandriva and ubuntu work with my laptop
[12:30] <marc74> i think mine is firefox too
[12:30] <DarwinsBulldog> I use Firefox as my browser.
[12:30] <marc74> whatever came default with ubuntu
[12:30] <qweqw> clickity click
[12:30] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, and the second time it would load it, but crash and draw an error within 5 seconds
[12:30] <DarwinsBulldog> Bod, have you tried doing it via Point2Play ?
[12:30] <^vir^> firefox came with ubuntu
[12:30] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, no
[12:30] <marc74> yeah, pretty much the same program eh?
[12:30] <hybrid> c0ntrol: like they dictate the libs that they own that are vital to linux
[12:30] <indigirl1> netfighter: laptop overheats w/o the cpu throttling
[12:30] <DarwinsBulldog> bod, you might want to try that.
[12:30] <netfighter> indigirl1, oh sure, but some "weird ones" like AOpen, or Cicero, are different, filled with WinModems and stuff
[12:30] <qweqw> hello serotonin,
[12:30] <^vir^> firefox is supposed to be a less bloated version of mozilla
[12:31] <qweqw> flow
[12:31] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, that requires $$ doesnt it?
[12:31] <indigirl1> netfighter: i don't use my winmodem
[12:31] <hybrid> c0ntrol: i just dont like some of gnu tacticts
[12:31] <^vir^> mozilla is more of a suite really
[12:31] <marc74> my laptop is super slow
[12:31] <marc74> never buy an HP
[12:31] <marc74> :P
[12:31] <DarwinsBulldog> I can get Cedega working in Ubuntu using Point2Play.
[12:31] <qweqw> i got an HP that works great
[12:31] <marc74> i think my ram is screwed
[12:31] <DarwinsBulldog> I have not tried installing Steam though.
[12:31] <Amaranth> gnu doesn't control anything
[12:31] <c0ntrol> hybrid: ok - but tactics are quite useless in the long term. what do you think of gnu strategically ?
[12:31] <qweqw> yeah they do
[12:31] <marc74> i did a ram test and it runs a lot slower than my dell
[12:31] <St0n3-C0l> ^vir^: for those who want only browser which can also runs pretty quick
[12:31] <qweqw> all the base system tools, pretty much
[12:31] <Predius|ubuntu> HAHAHAHA
[12:31] <Marble2> how can I run a command and print the output to a file? like do ls /home and have it print the output to /home/output.txt
[12:31] <EvilAl> lo.
[12:31] <EvilAl> er
[12:31] <netfighter> indigirl1, well, there's no way to use one in Linux unless you get a hacker to help you
[12:31] <EvilAl> yes,
[12:32] <marc74> is my RAM just screwed or what?
[12:32] <EvilAl> Terminal command to stop esd please
[12:32] <hybrid> ^vir^: it is rumored that mozilla is dropping the suite and stickin with sunbird firefox and thunderbird
[12:32] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, point2play is only available if you subscribe to transgaming right?
[12:32] <Amaranth> qweqw: They write them, they don't control what you do with them and whether or not your include them.
[12:32] <Marble2> EvilAl: sudo killall -9 esd
[12:32] <IIIEars> marc - lol i bought two - 10 disks to reinstall windows it takes an hour. and the hardware is some of the cheapest and least compatible on the planet - i feel your pain - lol
[12:32] <EvilAl> thank you!
[12:32] <qweqw> well, yeah
[12:32] <Bazzi> hybrid thats not rumor, thats official
[12:32] <indigirl1> Marble2: ls /home >> /home/output.txt
[12:32] <DarwinsBulldog> Marble, ls /home > <filename>
[12:32] <marc74> i did that RAM test at the boot up for linux
[12:32] <qweqw> writing implies a bit of control, though
[12:32] <EvilAl> Also, how do I get the Firefox Flash plugin to use ALSA?
[12:32] <^vir^> St0n3-C0l,  mozilla runs faster than FF
[12:32] <marc74> my dell kicked my HP laptop's ass
[12:32] <Amaranth> qweqw: POSIX and LSB are the only real standards
[12:32] <qweqw> i see what you are saying, anyway
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> how they can drop the product by which they started their project!
[12:32] <cens0red> I've got this multi part rar file. How do I extract all the different files and put them together?
[12:32] <netfighter> I used to like Mozilla (the suite) until I tried FFox. Now the suite looks humoungus
[12:32] <marc74> and i have 512 in my laptop
[12:32] <hybrid> c0ntrol: gnu is nice and i love the name and they do have some nice stuff and awesome liscence
[12:32] <gratuit> what device file do firewire hard disks show up as?
[12:32] <marc74> 256 in my dell
[12:32] <hybrid> Bazzi: thats sad
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> ^vir^: Did I said it was my statement ?
[12:33] <qweqw> too bad no one bothers conforming to LSB
[12:33] <DarwinsBulldog> bod, yeap. But so is Cedega unless you use the CVS stuff, and that is not guarentee to work
[12:33] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[12:33] <Marble2> thanks indigirl1
[12:33] <Amaranth> qweqw: Being the developer means you control the direction the library or app is going.
[12:33] <Bazzi> hybrid thats called evolution :-).
[12:33] <marc74> i'm taking a break from trying to get jre running
[12:33] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, yeah, i really dont want to play to use that
[12:33] <Amaranth> qweqw: Yeah, except Debian, it's derivitives, RedHat, and probably more...
[12:33] <netfighter> qweqw, that's what I hate, we're wasting too many resources
[12:33] <hybrid> Bazzi: yea but you know some addicts will continue it
[12:33] <IIIEars> still Ubuntu runs pretty well on both HP's - sometimes miracles happen - grin
[12:33] <qweqw> debian only
[12:33] <marc74> too bad it isn't in the Debian packages
[12:33] <Amaranth> qweqw: Ubuntu
[12:33] <DarwinsBulldog> bod, then you may be out of luck.
[12:33] <netfighter> We have years with the LSB2.0 and no one cares
[12:33] <Bazzi> hybrid so let them
[12:33] <marc74> BUT....i gotta learn sometime
[12:34] <qweqw> a debian derivative
[12:34] <Bazzi> some people are still using OS/2
[12:34] <Amaranth> LSB was too little, too late
[12:34] <^vir^> no St0n3-C0l but i'm correcting that statement thats al
[12:34] <^vir^> l
[12:34] <DarwinsBulldog> bod, the pay for stable version does support steam.
[12:34] <marc74> i was schooled on windows and DOS
[12:34] <hybrid> Bazzi: ill support it and it is open source spirit
[12:34] <St0n3-C0l> haha :P
[12:34] <holycow> netfighter, i'm not sure thats accurate, plenty of people care, it's just that it's not sexy
[12:34] <netfighter> RedHat & SuSe are LSB2 also
[12:34] <holycow> netfighter, most distros are lsb2.0 compliant
[12:34] <DarwinsBulldog> bodaciousb, and it only costs about 3 a month.
[12:34] <St0n3-C0l> ^vir^: contact Mozilla ;)
[12:34] <hybrid> Bazzi: yea and they are pushin for os/2 open source but who cares for os/2
[12:34] <bodaciousb> DarwinsBulldog, i know, but im still not going to buy it
[12:34] <Amaranth> The probably is LSB 2.0 doesn't do much.
[12:34] <netfighter> holycow, no, that's the problem. Distros like Slackware and a few more just don't care
[12:35] <marc74> i got the starter guide, thanks to whoever gave me the link
[12:35] <Amaranth> It's more for servers, not desktops.
[12:35] <DarwinsBulldog> bod, then the only thing is to try later and hope that whatever is broken in the current cvs gets fixed
[12:35] <^vir^> St0n3-C0l,  i have better things to do with my time :P
[12:35] <marc74> can anyone try to link to my shell?
[12:35] <qweqw> ah well
[12:35] <Amaranth> LSB 3.0 is the exciting one, it defines some desktop things
[12:35] <qweqw> conformity is not always a good  thing
[12:35] <marc74> i wanna see if that works
[12:35] <holycow> netfighter, and thats okay too, if someone wants their own weird config thats fine, all that matters is that people code for lsb2.0? *shrug*
[12:35] <marc74> pm me
[12:36] <marc74> i'll make a dummy account
[12:36] <netfighter> holycow, true
[12:36] <Amaranth> qweqw: In this case, it is. Trust me, it's a bitch not knowing that you can depend on.
[12:36] <St0n3-C0l> ^vir^: HaHa :P
[12:36] <c0ntrol> what is LSB ?
[12:36] <aseigo_> linux standards base
[12:36] <netfighter> yep
[12:36] <qweqw> in the case of desktop? i disagree
[12:36] <Amaranth> c0ntrol: Linux Standard Base - http://www.linuxbase.org/
[12:36] <marc74> i got a lot to learn here
[12:36] <shale> i think this might be a dumb question, but how do i install my kernel sources?
[12:36] <Amaranth> qweqw: It doesn't define anything like that.
[12:36] <marc74> but i like it and i wanna learn
[12:36] <Amaranth> qweqw: Read the standard.
[12:36] <aseigo_> marc74: that's the spirit =)
[12:36] <qweqw> what then
[12:36] <EvilAl> Anyone? Flash using alsa?
[12:37] <netfighter> it's not about conformity, it's about standards
[12:37] <indigirl1> shale: apt-get install kernel...
[12:37] <mackid> hey all.. I just downloaded hoary CD to install.. burned it from windows at 52x, which was probably a bad idea because i got an error when it was copying stuff.. sooo, now i can't boot into windows to re-burn it because it wiped out my MBR.. so, the question is, can i set up grub or some bootloader so i can boot into windows and reburn the CD?
[12:37] <qweqw> consistent APIs aren't always good
[12:37] <holycow> shale, first find out your kernel with uname -a, second search for kernel-source and find the one that matches your kernel, then apt-get install the right package
[12:37] <shale> ok i can do that
[12:37] <DarwinsBulldog> Mind you, even compling with standards does not always mean things will work. Just look at the mess that is wireless networking or bluetooth.
[12:37] <shale> altho... how do i search for kernel-source?
[12:37] <mackid> shale: apt-cache search linux-source
[12:38] <LinuxJones> mackid, you installed Ubuntu ?
[12:38] <holycow> DarwinsBulldog, lol, people are greedy *nod*
[12:38] <indigirl1> mackid: ubuntu puts a windows boot item in the list
[12:38] <netfighter> It's pathetic, if u want to distribute your code you have to prepare a bunch of packages: different rpms, .debs, tarballs, etc etc.
[12:38] <qweqw> i'd like to see a microsoft linux distro
[12:38] <mackid> LinuxJones: no, i don't have it installed yet =P  had it installed before, but wiped so I'd have windows also
[12:38] <marc74> i gotta find some tutorials or something
[12:38] <holycow> mackid, try pressing esc key at the start and manually select windows?
[12:38] <netfighter> MS Linux? LOL
[12:38] <shale> ok thank you mackid
[12:38] <ThomasWinwood> Why do none of these tools play through my headphones? Where's the config?
[12:38] <marc74> free ofcourse
[12:38] <hybrid> qweqw: http://mslinux.com
[12:38] <marc74> that's an oxymoron
[12:38] <IIIEars> microsoft should just erase their source code and start again.
[12:38] <marc74> MS Linux
[12:38] <marc74> lmfao
[12:39] <indigirl1> marc74: find more stuff on ubuntu's website
[12:39] <netfighter> marc check out the www.tldp.org
[12:39] <holycow> IIIEars, they did, thats what longhorn is
[12:39] <indigirl1> ThomasWinwood: alsamixer
[12:39] <marc74> thanks netfighter
[12:39] <mackid> nono, you see, it didn't install cause some files on the CD were corrupted.. so I need to reburn but can't boot into windows because i have no valid MBR
[12:39] <DarwinsBulldog> Well MS do have a linux product.
[12:39] <bodaciousb> does anoyone know of an mp3 player that can play directly from a windows share?
[12:39] <hybrid> marc74: look at mslinux.com it is funny as %^$#
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> hybrid: Don't u think it's just a theme ?
[12:39] <qweqw> int int long long
[12:39] <mackid> how do i set up grub without installing ubuntu?
[12:39] <St0n3-C0l> DarwinsBullDog: name ?
[12:39] <DarwinsBulldog> It is only to provide MS services on a linux server mind.
[12:39] <hybrid> St0n3-C0l: it is a joke
[12:39] <marc74> how do you get those red messages, is that /msg <name>?
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> I am not joking :P
[12:40] <netfighter> mackid, well, check out the GRUB website or #grub
[12:40] <marc74> i haven't used IRC in a long time
[12:40] <DarwinsBulldog> But lets be fair, at least Bill knows Linux exists these days.
[12:40] <holycow> mackid, the only way that i know would be to take a knoppix cd, boot into that, and run grub setup from there ?
[12:40] <indigirl1> mackid: cd probably has a rescue mode
[12:40] <marc74> gotta brush up on that too
[12:40] <bkudria> I have just upgraded to hoary on a clients laptop...dns works (ie, i can dig google.com and i get a result) but when i try to ping google.com, it says 'network is unreachable'
[12:40] <netfighter> marc just type the first letters of the nickname and press TAB
[12:40] <holycow> or reburn cd from knoppix even
[12:40] <mackid> does the CD have a rescue mode?
[12:40] <bkudria> another computer connected to the same router works fine...
[12:40] <DarwinsBulldog> St0n3-C0l, I forget, I have never looked into it much.
[12:40] <mackid> ohh, yeah, i could do that..
[12:40] <St0n3-C0l> DarwinsBulldog: LOL...Microsoft is tensed...about Linux
[12:40] <qweqw> damnit
[12:40] <marc74> netfighter, like that?
[12:40] <qweqw> i can't find LSB 3.0
[12:40] <netfighter> marc74, yep
[12:40] <marc74> cool it works
[12:40] <marc74> thanks netfighter
[12:41] <bodaciousb> i would switch from windows to linux today if steam would work for me
[12:41] <holycow> DarwinsBulldog, lol, ms has 32 billion in cash left in the bank, and they are afraid of an os worked on by people in their part time?
[12:41] <IIIEars> bkrudria - check out your firewall is dhcp enabled?
[12:41] <bodaciousb> i hate windows
[12:41] <St0n3-C0l> they don't get anyway to stop Linux to be accepted by peoples
[12:41] <hybrid> MS can not beat linux and their Linux killer Longhorn is lookin more and more like an M.E. rerun
[12:41] <holycow> the best they could com eup with is winxp?
[12:41] <holycow> its trully sad
[12:41] <^vir^> ms fears linux why does no msn messenger exist for linux
[12:41] <marc74> netfighter, i can learn things fast, but just have to find the right resources and i've been spoiled with windows
[12:41] <mackid> IMO, windows 2000 is better than xp
[12:41] <holycow> give me 32 billion in cash, i promise everyone computers that read your mind
[12:41] <shale> uname -a says i have 2.6.10-5-386 but when i do apt-get install kernel-source* i don't see my kernel is the list of possibilities. ??
[12:41] <hybrid> mackid: i second that
[12:41] <Amaranth> qweqw: http://www.linuxbase.org/modules.php?name=specrev&url=http://www.linuxbase.org/spec//booksets/LSB-Graphics/LSB-Graphics.html
[12:41] <bodaciousb> does anoyone know of an mp3 player that can play directly from a windows share?
[12:42] <Bazzi> shale its linux-source* not kernel-source
[12:42] <holycow> mackid, i banned xp at the company, we only run 2k, and that is going to be replaced with debian/ubuntu
[12:42] <qweqw> ah
[12:42] <qweqw> thanks.
[12:42] <^vir^> shale, use linux source
[12:42] <DarwinsBulldog> holycow, These days many of the key linux developers get paid to work on it.
[12:42] <hybrid> holycow: sheesh ill make computers that do it b4 u think of it
[12:42] <marc74> most jobs that i've had use windows
[12:42] <shale> ok thanks i'll try that
[12:42] <mackid> awesome holycow
[12:42] <mackid> =D
[12:42] <^vir^> kernel source is for debian
[12:42] <marc74> i would like to see programming go to linux
[12:42] <hybrid> holycow: how did you do that
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> ^vir^: There is...I think :P
[12:42] <bkudria> IIIEars, i'm not usre what you mean
[12:42] <indigirl1> shale: apt-get search 'myversion'
[12:42] <St0n3-C0l> mackid: I agree...win2k is far better than XP
[12:42] <Amaranth> qweqw: http://www.linuxbase.org/modules.php?name=specrev&url=http://www.linuxbase.org/spec//book/Desktop/Desktop.html
[12:42] <mackid> sudo apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10
[12:43] <mackid> GRR
[12:43] <shale> there we go
[12:43] <holycow> DarwinsBulldog, thankfully yes, *nod*
[12:43] <mackid> sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[12:43] <mackid> sorry
[12:43] <shale> now its working
[12:43] <mackid> lol
[12:43] <marc74> openoffice.org rocks, but do they have a database program?
[12:43] <mackid> ah okay, good
[12:43] <holycow> mackid, no worries
[12:43] <DarwinsBulldog> I wish I could ban MS stuff at work, but I work in the NHS and we HAVE to use MS stuff.
[12:43] <holycow> hybrid, did what? :)
[12:43] <netfighter> it's slowly moving toward linux and open source projects in general. Most corps are supporting Linux nowadays, from IBM to Oracle, HP, etc.
[12:43] <shale> mackid, thanks :)
[12:43] <Suvroc> marc74, they have it in OOo 2.0
[12:43] <mackid> np shale
[12:43] <ThomasWinwood> indigirl1: How do I switch to alsamixer in xine? rhythmbox crashes.
[12:43] <^vir^> marc74, a db program will be coming out shortly
[12:43] <Amaranth> qweqw: Looks like GTK is the standard...
[12:43] <marc74> Suvroc, ok thanks
[12:44] <mackid> I would be exclusively linux if all the games i wanted ran in it.. well, on my PC anyway
[12:44] <holycow> the important ffeature of 'linux' as an os is that it doesn't matter if anyone uses it at all
[12:44] <mjr> the OOo 2.0 db program is a bit controversially in Java, though... Hope they get it working with gcj soonish.
[12:44] <marc74> ^vir^, thanks
[12:44] <hybrid> holycow: how did you ban it? do you own it?
[12:44] <Marble2> how can I use the -w flag in tcpdump and have it append the data to the file, not overwrite
[12:44] <marc74> what code do they use for their projects?
[12:44] <holycow> it exists for the only important reason, and that it's users want/need it
[12:44] <DarwinsBulldog> The British government has signed a SEVEN year tie in deal with MS for provision of desktop software in the NHS.
[12:44] <marc74> i might be able to help
[12:44] <holycow> thankfully marketshare is not an important reason in the existence of linux
[12:44] <indigirl1> ThomasWinwood: open preferences and for audio out choose alsa
[12:44] <DarwinsBulldog> It make the NHS MS's biggest customer
[12:44] <qweqw> hrm
[12:44] <St0n3-C0l> hybrid: I heard...Microsoft is delaying Longhorn release due to Linux...there are lot of expectations from MS users for Longhorn and if Longhorn failed then there's a big chance for Linux!
[12:44] <holycow> hybrid, oh i'm the mucky muck who runs i.t. here
[12:44] <indigirl1> Marble2: >>
[12:44] <hybrid> lol
[12:45] <qweqw> what version..
[12:45] <^vir^> what a waste of nhs funding
[12:45] <bkudria> I have just upgraded to hoary on a clients laptop...dns works (ie, i can dig google.com and i get a result) but when i try to ping google.com, it says 'network is unreachable'...another computer connected to the same router works fine
[12:45] <netfighter> St0n3-C0l, I am not sure about Linux, but certainly for Apple, especially after Tiger
[12:45] <marc74> what language do they use?
[12:45] <indigirl1> Marble2: probably another flag, like -a, for append
[12:45] <DarwinsBulldog> St0n3-C0l, I think it also got delayed becuase MS could not get fswin to work
[12:45] <bodaciousb> Longhorn promised that piracy would be nearly impossioble, even mp3s\
[12:45] <holycow> hybrid, i only banned xp and future versions of win tho, for the time being i haveto wait for th results of our linux pilot
[12:45] <marc74> i'm new to all of this
[12:45] <Lydon> How Is it pretty easy to set up Ubuntu/XP Dual Boot?  I'm downloading the ISO right now.
[12:45] <marc74> i program mostly in c and c++
[12:45] <lotusleaf> I prefer the name "Turdhorn"
[12:45] <indigirl1> Marble2: look in 'man tcpdump'
[12:45] <cens0red> anyone know of a good utility for dealing with multipart binaries, of the sort you get off of usenet?
[12:45] <^vir^> tcpa looks evil
[12:45] <qweqw> a scrollbar within the webpage is annoying
[12:45] <ThomasWinwood> indigirl1: You'll have to explain further, I've lost you.
[12:45] <Marble2> not ther
[12:45] <Marble2> *there
[12:45] <bodaciousb> does anoyone know of an mp3 player that can play directly from a windows share?
[12:45] <marc74> any developers here?
[12:46] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, how happy are you at resizing paritions ?
[12:46] <qweqw> not everyone runs ridiculously high resolutions, damnit
[12:46] <mjr> cens0red, I've heard good things about pimppa, but not used it myself
[12:46] <hybrid> Sr0n3-C0l: ever tried winblow millinium edition? worst thing ever they promised it by a date with all these features but features were trimmed and dates pushed like longhorn now
[12:46] <indigirl1> ThomasWinwood: maybe you can explain your question more. i'm unclear
[12:46] <qweqw> have some thought for the near sighted
[12:46] <mackid> bodaciousb: pretty much any MP3 player should be able to.. XMMS, for sure
[12:46] <IIIEars> linux will be troubled by hardware compatibility far into the future - call a device manufacturer and ask for their specs - not likely to get it. "Propietory"
[12:46] <shale> has anyone here gotten the latest ati drivers to work with x300 radeon chipset?
[12:46] <qweqw> all you web page designers
[12:46] <Lydon> DarwinsBulldog, I understand the concepts, don't have a problem with it. Never done it before.
[12:46] <holycow> hybrid, lol, i always that that windows xp to windows 2000 was like winme to win98
[12:46] <bodaciousb> mackid, xmms wont do it at all
[12:46] <St0n3-C0l> DarwinsBulldog: I heard winfs gonna release few months later after Longhorn will release (but now they delayed so it's possible that they include that too)
[12:46] <CountDown> Is there an application for dealing with FDF (Adobe forms data format) files?
[12:46] <c0ntrol> mackid: no , such thing is built in on operating system level (digital rights agreement act)
[12:46] <netfighter> yep, I got into Linux thanks to Windows ME
[12:46] <^vir^> bodaciousb, just mount the drive first
[12:47] <hybrid> holycow: lol
[12:47] <mackid> c0ntrol: hmm?
[12:47] <marc74> ok breaks almost over, i'm gonna try to figure out this jre out
[12:47] <^vir^> xmms does read from ntfs drives
[12:47] <hybrid> netfighter: me too
[12:47] <marc74> haha
[12:47] <marc74> till i start pulling my hair out again
[12:47] <ThomasWinwood> indigirl1: I'm trying to play some MP3s. However they always default to playing through the speakers which use the phone jacks in the back. I want to use my USB headphones. How do I go about this?
[12:47] <hybrid> gonna go bald
[12:47] <mackid> well yeah, the drive needs to be mounted..
[12:47] <lotusleaf> I'm surprised turn horn isn't shipping with a proprietary M$ box/monitor/keyboard welded shut
[12:47] <marc74> indigirl1, thanks for your help
[12:47] <qweqw> the more recent versions of gtk are coming along nicely.. probably a good choice as a standard
[12:47] <cens0red> mjr well it probably beats using winrar with wine.
[12:47] <hybrid> lotusleaf: lol
[12:47] <DarwinsBulldog> IIIEars, it will depend on what the hardware is aimed at. No hardware maker can ignore linux for sever stuff.
[12:48] <DarwinsBulldog> IIIEars, desktop is different of course.
[12:48] <holycow> DarwinsBulldog, and soon no hardware maker will be able to ignore linux for desktop
[12:48] <qweqw> gtk used to be about the most confusing thing ever
[12:48] <c0ntrol> i thanks microsoft the usb joystick i have - it still works after 3 years of heavy use
[12:48] <holycow> i have no doubt that with things like gnome2.10 and ubuntu linux on the desktop is an inevitability
[12:48] <hybrid> what would save apple and win linux is a ppc machine with ubuntu as the mac os
[12:48] <holycow> regardless of any challenges
[12:48] <hybrid> whooo haa
[12:49] <Epix> whats a console based mmp3player?
[12:49] <holycow> all we need is 5 to 10 % of the market (ew, had to use the word) and they will start to pay attention, because that is a ton of money at stake
[12:49] <Epix> mp3*
[12:49] <Lydon> DarwinsBulldog: Can you resize NTFS Partitions during the install process?
[12:49] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, Well if you are happy resizing partitions then go for it. Make sure you read the manual and backup anydata you do not want to lose first though.
[12:49] <hybrid> Epix: mplaye mpg123
[12:49] <DarwinsBulldog> holycow, it is going that way.
[12:49] <hybrid> **mplayer
[12:49] <mackid> Epix: an MP3 player that has a command line interface
[12:49] <netfighter> I think we're 2 years away of a desktop Linux, grandma level
[12:49] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, nope. You need to resize them beforehand.
[12:49] <indigirl1> ThomasWinwood: usb headphones may need a driver. but look in alsamixer for an output to them and unmute that
[12:49] <mjr> I'd put my granma on an Ubuntu box over Windows any day
[12:49] <qweqw> where's my linux programming book..
[12:50] <lotusleaf> mjr: ewww
[12:50] <hybrid> netfighter: give grandma lycoris or mandravia she will be fine
[12:50] <mackid> my grandma is running Mac OS 9.. lmao
[12:50] <marc74> ok, now i'm getting lazy haha
[12:50] <Epix> mackid, no, like name one
[12:50] <IIIEars> i just reinstalled windows on my wifes machine an hour ago - it's connected and patched - after 40 mins the firewall asked if i wanted the kernal to connect on it's own to the 'net - lol
[12:50] <c0ntrol> holycow: concentrate on the developing countries in africa and asa
[12:50] <mackid> Epix:  i think someone else did..
[12:50] <hybrid> Epix: mpg123 and mplayer play mp3s
[12:50] <holycow> c0ntrol, i would agree with you
[12:50] <Lydon> DarwinsBulldog: Do you have a tool that you recommend for this?  I have a Toshiba Sat Pro 6100 w/ 40GB (all ntfs)
[12:50] <holycow> i think having mark shuttleworth behind ubuntu is a very good thing for that to happen
[12:51] <netfighter> c0ntrol, just get China and India, that's 1 in every 3 humans
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> Hot damn.
[12:51] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, two ways of doing it. From Windows using something like Partition Magic, or from a live linux CD that has Parted (a linux partion resizing tool)
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> indigirl1: Thanks for the help.
[12:51] <c0ntrol> holycow: microsoft has a good foot between the door , we should let linux in by the backdoor and bully him away
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> XMMS is like a better Winamp.
[12:51] <holycow> c0ntrol, hehe :)
[12:51] <hybrid> i am surprised i have been with ubutu from before hoary mid warty and since it has blew up to the most popular distro around
[12:51] <holycow> c0ntrol, there is something to be said for letting ms keep its users
[12:51] <c0ntrol> netfighter: Yes, and they could really use it to develop at a faster rate
[12:51] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, yet another way is to download an iso of something like Fedora Core 3, as that will resize your partitions during install.
[12:51] <holycow> c0ntrol, ms users cost a lot more money support than you can typically make off of them
[12:52] <c0ntrol> Yes I agree holycow
[12:52] <Predius> Guys, any of you testing Breezy?
[12:52] <hybrid> HEY lets make a windows virus that installs linus
[12:52] <hybrid> i am testin it
[12:52] <Burgundavia> Predius, there are a few crazy souls. I wouldn
[12:52] <shale> ok i installed my linux-source with apt-get, but the prog i'm trying to install still says it can't find "kernel sources" - do i need to unpack them or something?
[12:52] <lotusleaf> When does the next batch of Ubuntu cds ship?
[12:52] <IIIEars> Tripwire/selinux Ubuntu please - hint hint.
[12:52] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, Suse does the same. You could them either use FC3 or Suse, or just use the installer process to resize your partitions.
[12:52] <mjr> hmm, good point, I should make a breezy chroot...
[12:52] <Predius> Haha, I have for a couple of days.
[12:52] <c0ntrol> But that is not how things work - things work by lobbying , after that it get implemented and you pay money
[12:52] <hybrid> ** install linux
[12:52] <Predius> No breakage so far.
[12:52] <hybrid> <<no gui
[12:53] <^vir^> wow tcpa sounds harsh.......
[12:53] <holycow> c0ntrol, *nod* yeah
[12:53] <DarwinsBulldog> Ok, I need to go to bed.
[12:53] <Lydon> DarwinsBulldog: I have a SUSE 9.1 Install CD that I know resizes the partitions during install.  Then would I just overwrite the partitions it created with Ubuntu?
[12:53] <DarwinsBulldog> Bye all.
[12:53] <^vir^> i'm glad i've moved over to linux now
[12:53] <Lydon> Thanks for the help DarwinsBulldog
[12:53] <DarwinsBulldog> Lydon, that would be fine.
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> netfighter: Why u discussed India and China above ?
[12:53] <c0ntrol> India is really promising
[12:53] <DarwinsBulldog> np Lydon, good luck, I think you will like Ubuntu.
[12:54] <St0n3-C0l> c0ntrol for ?
[12:54] <c0ntrol> Apple is also trying to get their feet on the ground there
[12:54] <hybrid> yea it is and china and brazil
[12:54] <Lydon> I think I will too
[12:54] <c0ntrol> FSF / Linux in general
[12:54] <lotusleaf> When does the next batch of Ubuntu cds ship?
[12:54] <IIIEars> Lydon - grab a live linux distro with qtparted much more control on partition sizing
[12:54] <netfighter> St0n3-C0l, areas where Linux has the opp to grow in the desktop mkt
[12:54] <hybrid> i really think a mac with ubuntu as the standard mac box would kick ass
[12:54] <cafuego> Anyong using Breezy AMD64 having issues with evolution wanting to be removed on a dist-upgrade?
[12:54] <^vir^> hybrid, macs already have mac os
[12:55] <holycow> hybrid, i think that a mac'like' pc with ubuntu standard would rock :)
[12:55] <St0n3-C0l> netfighter: India got some big companies and thats the reason they're growing in Linux
[12:55] <hybrid> and for everyone that doesnt want to buy ppc could be infected by a linux installing virus
[12:55] <holycow> amd64 dual core cpu 'yum'
[12:55] <Lydon> IIIEars: I would like to "Ghost" my hard drive before I do any of this, are their any live linux tools for this?
[12:55] <hybrid> ^vir^ yea but what a deal it would be
[12:55] <hybrid> mac os = ubuntu
[12:55] <netfighter> St0n3-C0l, yep and China has Red Flag linux
[12:55] <holycow> Lydon, the answer technically is yes, but practically just use ghost
[12:55] <hybrid> cafuego: breezy is so big they trimmed evolution
[12:55] <St0n3-C0l> but if we see...there are only companies who uses Linux...but many peoples uses Linux as their Desktop
[12:55] <holycow> i promise you you will save your self hours
[12:55] <cafuego> hybrid: <heh>
[12:56] <^vir^> mac os looks lovely & supports more hybrid
[12:56] <St0n3-C0l> netfighter: Redhat is launched in India and Microsoft too
[12:56] <cafuego> hybrid: Surely ditching KDE would have been more prudent ;-)
[12:56] <Lydon> yeah, I figured that, just looking for something open source (Free)
[12:56] <Lydon> I think I'll just back up what I really need and go for it
[12:56] <hybrid> ^vir^: have you actually used it? os x is boring the command line is boring
[12:56] <c0ntrol> Also, the Middle East would be interesting theory as most people can identify with the free software philosophy (sharing software with the neighbour)
[12:56] <hybrid> cafuego: kde only is on kubuntu
[12:56] <IIIEars> Lydon - i have scoured the net funny you asked there are two free tools (not as easy as ghost or other $$) g4u and partimage  knoppix and "The Ultimate Boot CD" are good tho more complex options.
[12:57] <ThomasWinwood> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:57] <Predius> Lydon, we shouldn't help you get away from Ubuntu. ;)
[12:57] <cafuego> hybrid: apt-get install kde works on any ubuntu, mate.
[12:57] <ThomasWinwood> If you WANT KDE. I don't see why you would.
[12:57] <Predius> Fluxbox!
[12:57] <hybrid> now they could prolly use xfce instead of gnome and had evolution but choices choices choices
[12:57] <transgress> okay i'm trying to play dvd's on my linux box...
[12:57] <St0n3-C0l> I live in Pakistan and here in Pakistan no Linux company wants to invest...and thats really bad
[12:57] <netfighter> c0ntrol, but the Middle East is divided by many langs and religions. China, for example, is pretty much united behind mandarin and stuff
[12:57] <transgress> but it refuses
[12:57] <cafuego> No, i WANT evolution, KDE is not the issue.
[12:57] <St0n3-C0l> Redhat invested in Bangladesh too
[12:57] <qweqw> pakistan
[12:57] <Predius> Yeah, I read a good thread talking about Xubuntu.
[12:57] <qweqw> no freaking way
[12:57] <hybrid> cafueddo : i know i have xubuntu and that isnt really started yet :P
[12:57] <Predius> Which could be a good idea.
[12:57] <indigirl1> transgress: you need libdvdcss
[12:57] <transgress> indigirl1: i have it
[12:58] <Predius> With Fluxbox, Enlight and XFce.
[12:58] <hybrid> cafeugoL i know juss go to novell.com grab the source
[12:58] <qweqw> second pakistani i've ever seen on IRC
[12:58] <cafuego> hybrid: wtf would I do that?
[12:58] <hybrid> Predius: me too
[12:58] <c0ntrol> netfighter: that still wont keep people from localizing their "linuxes" in any language - such a thing would go progressivly and standards are already existing for it
[12:58] <transgress> mplayer crashes saying it failed on decode_audio... totem-xine (which i made sure to add a copy of libdvdcss to) says i don't have libdvdcss
[12:58] <hybrid> to get evolution
[12:58] <Predius> How many peruvians, qweqw?
[12:58] <hybrid> it is a novell product
[12:58] <St0n3-C0l> qweqw: believe me there are alot Paki Linux users...and not only newbies...gurus too
[12:58] <IIIEars> g4u and partimage require a three step process 1 save the boot sector with the dd command 2 save the partition table info 3 save your data - it can all be done but you will need to do a bit of reading about it there are many howtos on the 'net.
[12:58] <cafuego> hybrid: apt-get install
[12:58] <cafuego> hybrid: it's there
[12:58] <qweqw> what's the tld for peru
[12:58] <indigirl1> transgress: use gstreamer instead of xine
[12:58] <hybrid> compiling from source is always best tho
[12:58] <Lydon> Predius:  I'm trying to get into it, I have never used GNOME, and I'm spoiled by Suse, etc, with the automatic installs
[12:58] <Predius> .pe
[12:59] <transgress> indigirl1: tried that... totem won't even open.
[12:59] <cafuego> hybrid: please stop trolling me.
[12:59] <transgress> indigirl1: says the resource is busy
[12:59] <qweqw> i dunno if i have or not
[12:59] <Predius> What's more automatic than apt?
[12:59] <qweqw> peru is not interesting
[12:59] <qweqw> pakistan is
[12:59] <Predius> =O
[12:59] <qweqw> :)
[12:59] <indigirl1> transgress: kill any crashed instances first
[12:59] <hybrid> cafuego: wtf you come ine here askin bout evolution when you r the one that knows you can apt it
[12:59] <hybrid> wtf
[12:59] <Predius> Well, I've been to Egypt too.
[12:59] <transgress> indigirl1: tried... there weren't any showing up.
[12:59] <St0n3-C0l> qweqw: tld ??
[12:59] <Predius> There's a 1000-2000 Linux community.
[01:00] <Lydon> that's just it, I know nothing about apt
[01:00] <qweqw> top level domain
[01:00] <Predius> Here, it's smaller.
[01:00] <St0n3-C0l> ohh..
[01:00] <Predius> About 300.
[01:00] <St0n3-C0l> .pk :P
[01:00] <indigirl1> transgress: close all other audio programs
[01:00] <Predius> In the actual LUB.
[01:00] <St0n3-C0l> hah
[01:00] <indigirl1> transgress: hopefully sound works in other things
[01:00] <transgress> indigirl1: why?  not to mention i'd have to kill ubuntu sounds
[01:00] <qweqw> someone i know went to pakistan.. freaked 'em right the hell out
[01:01] <Predius> Meh.
[01:01] <transgress> indigirl1: yes sound works for everything... but mplayer gets pissed about audio... totem gets pissed about video...
[01:01] <Predius> I'd go to Lebanon just for the food.
[01:01] <transgress> but this is the first distro that i've actually gotten my radeon to work on
[01:01] <Predius> We have great food too, if you ever come here.
[01:01] <qweqw> the whole region is pretty damn scary, IMO
[01:01] <transgress> and i dun wanna change
[01:01] <netfighter> Pred where is here?
[01:01] <qweqw> then again, i don't blend in
[01:01] <Predius> Peru.
[01:01] <St0n3-C0l> Predius: Lebanon ?
[01:02] <indigirl1> transgress: radeon works in mandriva too
[01:02] <Predius> What? ATi releases binary drivers for all its VideoCards.
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> Predius: put ur food in mailing lists...we'll all subscribe to it :P
[01:02] <Predius> Haha.
[01:02] <hybrid> lol
[01:02] <Predius> I'm not Lebanese, btw.
[01:02] <St0n3-C0l> we'll taste and gonna send u feedback :>
[01:02] <qweqw> anyone vaguely foreign should be frightened in the small towns around here
[01:02] <qweqw> or black
[01:02] <qweqw> or asian
[01:02] <hybrid> lol
[01:02] <netfighter> Are pitas lebanese or Greek?
[01:02] <transgress> indigirl1: i wouldn't use mandriva if you payed me to
[01:03] <qweqw> anyone non-white and non-christian
[01:03] <hybrid> qweqw: you in geogia>?
[01:03] <qweqw> ohio
[01:03] <hybrid> kkk?
[01:03] <Predius> I think they're lebanese.
[01:03] <hybrid> lol
[01:03] <indigirl1> transgress: you can pay me
[01:03] <indigirl1> transgress: and i'll use it
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> qweqw: We're in Linux channel ?
[01:03] <hybrid> qweqw: i am not far from vider if you know what that is
[01:03] <qweqw> lol
[01:03] <qweqw> nope
[01:03] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:03] <qweqw> hope you're not offended, St0n3-C0l
[01:04] <St0n3-C0l> nah
[01:04] <Predius> Why are there so many people here?
[01:04] <hybrid> when the kkk broke up the grand wizard ran there
[01:04] <Predius> Only about 10 are talking.
[01:04] <hybrid> Pred: cuz ubuntu is awesome #1 on distrowatch
[01:04] <netfighter> Ohio? Thanks for reelecting Bush, we love you.
[01:04] <hybrid> predius: thats the beauty of irc
[01:04] <qweqw> blame diebold
[01:04] <hybrid> sure do
[01:04] <transgress> so umm... i can't exactly completely remove totem because ubuntu desktop gets pissed and tries to go with it... i can only reinstall...
[01:05] <transgress> any other tips one could offer a poor sap like me?
[01:05] <Predius> You phail at life, Ohio.
[01:05] <netfighter> transgress, r u using Synaptic?
[01:05] <St0n3-C0l> hybrid: Yeah...90% bots and clones and only 10% humans
[01:05] <qweqw> ohio is somewhat liberal in the large metropolitan areas, and 100% conservative elsewhere
[01:05] <transgress> netfighter: synaptic and apt-get
[01:05] <hybrid> roflolmfao
[01:05] <zerokarmaleft> transgress, it's ok if ubuntu-desktop gets uninstalled...it's just a metapackage
[01:05] <hybrid> qweqw: lol
[01:06] <occy> how can I get my parallell printer to show up without rebooting?
[01:06] <transgress> zerokarmaleft: but i'm also wondering if uninstalling totem and reinstalling will make it notice the driver which is installed.
[01:06] <netfighter> qweqw, well, that's the US in general
[01:06] <hybrid> occy:  it should mnt
[01:06] <nopea> hi, how do I install Japanese input support?
[01:06] <qweqw> true..
[01:06] <occy> hybrid: it's an HP LJ 1100A which is like, common as dirt.
[01:06] <occy> it shows up in the list, but not under "local printers"
[01:07] <Predius> Guys, how long until we get Multimedia support?
[01:07] <hybrid> nopea: i believe there is japanse font package in synaptic
[01:07] <hybrid> never
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> Predius: it already exists
[01:07] <hybrid> you want multimedia get a mac :P
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> Predius: it's primarily a legality issue
[01:07] <zerokarmaleft> transgress, sorry let me scroll back up and read what else you've been saying b/c you lost me there
[01:07] <qweqw> friggin rednecks
[01:07] <Predius> They can't ship it, I know.
[01:07] <indigirl1> zerokarmaleft: i think ubuntu website said bad things would happen w/o ubuntu-desktop. do you know more than them?
[01:07] <hybrid> lol
[01:08] <qweqw> what bad thing
[01:08] <qweqw> s] 
[01:08] <usynic> Predius: see ubuntuguide.org - describes how to install all of your multimedia stuff.
[01:08] <qweqw> i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed
[01:08] <nopea> hybrid, I install the Language pack and support packages but cant figure out how to type
[01:08] <Predius> I KNOW.
[01:08] <transgress> zerokarmaleft: trying to get dvd player to play dvd's... i installed libdvdcss2... mplayer sees it, but crashes on decode_audio.  totem-xine doesn't see it even when i add it into the totem plugins... totem-gstreamer bitches and crashes
[01:08] <Predius> usynic, I have it all working.
[01:08] <Epix> how do i make mplayer play a dvd
[01:08] <hybrid> nopea: hmm idk
[01:08] <usynic> Predius: so wtf is wrong then?
[01:08] <nopea> hybrid, whats that?
[01:08] <hybrid> Epix: /./media/dvddrive
[01:08] <nopea> oh I get it
[01:08] <hybrid> nopea: i dont know
[01:08] <transgress> Epix: you need libdvdcss from marillat (unless you are using amd64 which seemingly has it in universe)
[01:08] <nopea> :)
[01:08] <hybrid> lol
[01:08] <transgress> err multiverse
[01:08] <Predius> usynic, shipping would help the distro for people without internet?
[01:09] <Lydon> Epix: if you look in the documentation for the Movix Distro, it has some excellent instructions
[01:09] <usynic> Predius: that can't happen.
[01:09] <Moo> [18:18]  <Freedomzen> Moo: boot cd wait ubtil it loads all ide modules alt-ctrl-f2 mount /dev/yourrootdevice /mnt/ chroot /mnt then run the command   <<   What did he mean by "/yourrootdevice" ?
[01:09] <qweqw> hello, fascist America
[01:09] <netfighter> what's the diff between universe & multiverse? I never got it
[01:09] <mjr> hmm, there's a terrible bug in acpi: it talks about "degrees K", when Kelvins don't come in degrees
[01:09] <qweqw> fight  the power
[01:09] <Predius> multiverse are unsupported.
[01:09] <mjr> netfighter, multi are non-free
[01:09] <Predius> Correct me if I'm wrong.
[01:09] <St0n3-C0l> hybrid: Thats a real beauty of IRC....main channel keeps rushed and if someone is saying something to anyone else...he'll have to use FIND function
[01:09] <St0n3-C0l> hah
[01:09] <mjr> universe is free unsupported
[01:09] <Predius> Ah, yeah.
[01:09] <Predius> Sorry.
[01:10] <hybrid> lol
[01:10] <netfighter> Predius, uni is not supported either, at least officialy
[01:10] <indigirl1> transgress: there is a helpful guide on the ubuntu website
[01:10] <transgress> indigirl1: followed it
[01:10] <Moo> [18:18]  <Freedomzen> Moo: boot cd wait ubtil it loads all ide modules alt-ctrl-f2 mount /dev/yourrootdevice /mnt/ chroot /mnt then run the command   <<   What did he mean by "/yourrootdevice" ?
[01:10] <Predius> hdc, probably.
[01:10] <Moo> huh?
[01:10] <Moo> sorry, im a noob
[01:11] <Predius> oops.
[01:11] <Predius> Wrong hotkey.
[01:11] <hybrid> lol
[01:11] <Moo> :P
[01:11] <Moo> whats hdc?
[01:12] <Predius> it should be your cd drive.
[01:12] <Predius> hda is master slave
[01:12] <Predius> hda is master*
[01:12] <Moo> now i dunerstand
[01:12] <Predius> hdb slave
[01:12] <Predius> hdc is secondary master
[01:12] <netfighter> "master slave" sounds a bit bondage to me
[01:12] <hybrid> predius: i was like wtf master slave
[01:12] <hybrid> lol
[01:12] <Predius> Haha.
[01:13] <Predius> I got hdb and hda on my head at the same time.
[01:13] <Predius> I just got a new monitor, so I'm trippy.
[01:13] <hybrid> lol
[01:13] <Predius> Just a Dell 17" Flat.
[01:13] <netfighter> I want to buy one but it costs about 2000 US$
[01:14] <Predius> Compared to my Compaq 14" this is heaven.
[01:14] <Predius> I payed 95$
[01:14] <Predius> The old one was ok but was too dark
[01:14] <hybrid> i had a 15'' crt it sukked but now i  got a 12.1'' lcd laptop and it is awesome
[01:14] <hybrid> kinda weird
[01:15] <hybrid> the 15 strained my eyes
[01:15] <zerokarmaleft> transgress, you also have libdvdnav4 and libdvdread3 installed?
[01:15] <netfighter> I wish I could buy those 19"-21" from Apple
[01:15] <hybrid> hell yea
[01:16] <Predius> They're like 400 dollars, man.
[01:16] <transgress> zerokarmaleft: heh i just installed those
[01:16] <transgress> was about to test them out
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> netfighter: get the 24" from dell
[01:16] <Predius> I wanna get the 30" =D
[01:16] <hybrid> i think they have a 41''
[01:16] <hybrid> or sumthing
[01:16] <Predius> Well, 30 costs 2k US$
[01:16] <transgress> zerokarmaleft: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[01:16] <IFR> HI, all -- checking to see if anyone's using fuse successfully with hoary?
[01:16] <Predius> So 41" is overkill.
[01:16] <netfighter> HrdwrBoB, Nah, those would kill my GPA
[01:16] <zerokarmaleft> transgress, how about totem-xine?
[01:16] <hybrid> Predius: imagine mplayer in 41''
[01:17] <hybrid> netfighter:lol
[01:17] <Predius> I don't think that'd fit on my desk.
[01:17] <Predius> lol
[01:17] <hybrid> i would never graduate with it eithr
[01:17] <hybrid> lol
[01:17] <transgress> The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?
[01:17] <transgress> zerokarmaleft:
[01:17] <netfighter> Seriously, those monitors and a decent DVD or vgames collection and I drop out
[01:18] <Predius> I'd die from starvation.
[01:18] <Predius> I would never get out of my room.
[01:18] <transgress> and vlc says eff off as well
[01:18] <netfighter> well, that's if they cut the phone line or the pizza guy goes broke
[01:18] <hybrid> I would make a legos robot to bring me food
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid: 'lego'
[01:19] <bodaciousb> does anoyone know of an mp3 player that can play directly from a windows share? XMMS will not
[01:19] <hybrid> 41" command line
[01:19] <SaMRoX> why my numkeypad doesn't work inside linux? (it works in the splash screen) HELP!!! thx
[01:19] <zerokarmaleft> transgress, strange...something about libdvdcss install must be borked
[01:20] <Predius> Num Lock?
[01:20] <transgress> zerokarmaleft: tried it twice... maybe three times
[01:20] <Veritas> Wow, I wasn't expecting this.
[01:20] <SaMRoX> Predius,  npe
[01:20] <SaMRoX> no
[01:20] <Veritas> Quick question: Can I isntall Ubuntu off a DVD-R?
[01:20] <hybrid> could you imagine ./'in something and the file names be like 3 inches tall
[01:20] <Predius> There is a dvd somewhere.
[01:20] <hybrid> Veritas: yea
[01:20] <hybrid> http://ubuntu.com/download
[01:21] <Veritas> I just burn the Ubuntu Install 5.04 files?
[01:21] <hybrid> as an image
[01:21] <Veritas> (Obviously I'm a newb)
[01:21] <Predius> Wait, Veritas.
[01:21] <Predius> There's a DVD iso.
[01:21] <Predius> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/
[01:22] <hybrid> iso is an image so burn iso cd do not burn the iso as a data cd
[01:22] <ThomasWinwood> I made that mistake. ;)
[01:22] <hybrid> me too
[01:22] <Predius> Haha.
[01:22] <hybrid> a couple times
[01:22] <ThomasWinwood> Obsolesced a CD before I realised what I was doing wrong.
[01:22] <Predius> I never did.
[01:22] <Veritas> Wow, that's really cool. So the DVD iso is the install and live files?
[01:22] <Predius> I grew up with linuxers.
[01:22] <transgress> why would you need an iso of a distro that fits on one cd?
[01:22] <netfighter> yep
[01:22] <Predius> I think there's more packages.
[01:23] <Epix> :D
[01:23] <Veritas> I only have a DVD-R, and I don't feel like going out buying CD-Rs or CD-RWs :P
[01:23] <Veritas> and it looks like this will work out perfectly, because I wanted a Live CD too
[01:23] <hybrid> lol
[01:23] <Epix> ok, djs could SO use this. a old crap computer with a good soundcard and alsamixer
[01:23] <Epix> and mplayer
[01:23] <hybrid> lol
[01:24] <Xusa> hello
[01:24] <netfighter> I am waiting a few more months until they release that Blu Ray thing
[01:24] <hybrid> Epix: when i turn 16 thats what my car system is goin to be
[01:24] <Veritas> O.O
[01:24] <Epix> hybrid, lol, that would rock
[01:24] <hybrid> old laptop mplayer with big speakers
[01:24] <Epix> hybrid, how old are you?
[01:24] <Veritas> Firefox was telling me I was downloading at 4000Kb/s
[01:24] <hybrid> Epix; 14
[01:24] <Predius> hybrid, harddrive would get trashed.
[01:24] <Xusa> Does any one knows of any internet radio software?
[01:24] <Epix> Veritas, wow, u wish
[01:24] <Epix> hybrid, lol, same
[01:24] <Veritas> It's down to 1000kb/s now, must be some kind of bug
[01:24] <_ubuntu> hi, I am using Kubuntu now, and its user interface is way more responsive than gnome in Ubuntu...
[01:24] <Veritas> Now it's slowing down at 800 :P
[01:24] <Epix> Xusa, try rythymbox
[01:24] <hybrid> Predius: nah the cops have laptops
[01:24] <Xusa> ty epix
[01:25] <hybrid> Epix: wow when is ur b-day? i have to be the youngest here lol
[01:25] <Epix> Xusa, its included with ubutu, no problem
[01:25] <Predius> well, just don't go on safaris
[01:25] <Epix> hybrid, march 12
[01:25] <hybrid> Epix: @#%^&*(*&^%$#%^&*(*&^% Dec 8
[01:25] <hybrid> dope
[01:25] <hybrid> lost that title
[01:25] <hybrid> lol
[01:25] <Veritas> Right, while the DVD iso is downloading... I want to start setting up my laptop for partitions. I'm using Partition Magic 8.0 in Windows, what File System type should I choose for Ubuntu?
[01:25] <Epix> hybrid, crap... pwned ;P
[01:26] <hybrid> rofl
[01:26] <Veritas> While trying to figure that out earily I read somewhere that Linux needed 2 partitions?
[01:26] <Predius> ext3, ReiserFS
[01:26] <Epix> Veritas, your choice, i recomend ext3 or ReiserFS
[01:26] <Predius> Yeah.
[01:26] <hybrid> nice to see another ''youngster'' here :P
[01:26] <Predius> A swap file too.
[01:26] <netfighter> Vertitas ext2, ext3. The installer has it's own partmanager anyways
[01:26] <Predius> 15 here.
[01:26] <hybrid> ext3 is the most common
[01:26] <Predius> justr turned on 13 april
[01:26] <hybrid> cool
[01:27] <Epix> ext3 is uses pagefiles
[01:27] <Veritas> K. I figured that but wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something idiotic. Ext3 it is
[01:27] <Epix> Reiser doesnt
[01:27] <hybrid> this channel is gettin young
[01:27] <Epix> hybrid, you program?
[01:27] <Predius> i'd sure like spotlight to be ported to linux
[01:27] <Predius> i know about locate, but this updates it automatically
[01:27] <Epix> Predius, whatsdat
[01:27] <Burgundavia> Predius, there is something called beagle
[01:27] <Epix> Predius, ok, so use cron
[01:28] <hybrid> Epix: a lil i know some c++ and Java and i can make a virus in vb then i know php html javascript and xml on the scriptin side . you?
[01:28] <Burgundavia> Predius, www.gnome.org/projects/beagle
[01:28] <Predius> yeah, i could use cron
[01:28] <Predius> but it's not automatic.
[01:28] <netfighter> you should learn Python
[01:28] <hybrid> Predius: crown what? lol
[01:28] <hybrid> netfighter: why?
[01:28] <Epix> hybrid, python, perl, PHP, HTML, JS, CSS (if you want to count it :P), bit of c++, considering Java.
[01:28] <K_Dallas> BTW, how do you send a fax in linux? I have never had a modem working under linux so never bothered to learn but now it seems that the hardware modem i have bought is being recognized so tempted to try it afterall
[01:29] <Epix> hybrid, and VB :P
[01:29] <transgress> it was so easy to get dvd's to play
[01:29] <transgress> on the laptop
[01:29] <Burgundavia> K_Dallas, gfax
[01:29] <K_Dallas> oh thanks
[01:29] <Epix> hybrid, enough to scare the crap out of someone by making a fake formatter
[01:29] <K_Dallas> does it have a gui?
[01:29] <Veritas> Quick newb Question: Does Linux support hyperthreading enabled CPUs?
[01:29] <bodaciousb> does anoyone know of an mp3 player that can play directly from a windows share? XMMS will not, Mplayer apparently wont
[01:29] <netfighter> Python is fun, you can do so much with so little
[01:29] <hybrid> Epix: i can make java cli progs it is great
[01:29] <hybrid> Epix: lol
[01:29] <Epix> hmmm
[01:29] <hybrid> netfighter: any good tutorials?
[01:29] <Epix> but then you have to type: java program
[01:29] <Epix> and thats lots of typing :P
[01:30] <Predius> =(
[01:30] <netfighter> hybrid, they have a section for newbies in www.python.org
[01:30] <Predius> why isn't beagle on the ubuntu reps?
[01:30] <_ubuntu> Veritas: I heard it does
[01:30] <Burgundavia> Predius, very alpha
[01:30] <hybrid> Epix: i love java it is sooooo fun and pretty easy if you know c__
[01:30] <hybrid> netfighter: yea been there
[01:30] <Predius> I though I had seen 0.9
[01:30] <Veritas> Cool. I have a 2.4C and would like to take advantage of it :)
[01:30] <Predius> not 0.0.9
[01:30] <hybrid> wznt impressed
[01:30] <WW> Veritas: Yes. I think you use the -smp kernel.
[01:30] <_ubuntu> Epix: hey, I am a big fan of Java as well, do you know any IRC channel for Java or J2EE?
[01:31] <Epix> #java :P
[01:31] <hybrid> #java ,aybe
[01:31] <hybrid> **maybe
[01:31] <_ubuntu> ic ic...thanks
[01:31] <netfighter> I like Java, but it isn't as fun as Python, or Ruby, etc. Java is for professional stuff, a.k.a. corporate stuff
[01:31] <_ubuntu> Veritas: I doubt that 2.4 can do that though
[01:31] <Veritas> Why would you think that?
[01:32] <_ubuntu> netfighter: that's what I like, while I can make some fun stuff for myself, I can make money with that as well...:P
[01:32] <hybrid> netfighter: nah it is for the cross platform neccessary
[01:32] <_ubuntu> Veritas: I saw an article about it but forgot the details.
[01:32] <Predius> meh, I never get ideas on what to program
[01:32] <hybrid> lol
[01:32] <netfighter> hybrid, Python, Ruby, etc. are xplatform also and way more flexible
[01:32] <_ubuntu> Predius: depends on what kind of programs you want to make, by categories.
[01:33] <hybrid> netfighter: how can it be more flexible then a interperted languaged
[01:33] <_ubuntu> netfigther: but the CPU usage from gdesklets programmed in python really scares me away from it.
[01:34] <netfighter> there r many alternatives to gdesk. What I love about Python is that you don't worry about the details
[01:34] <jtaylor> my initrd tries to insmod md-personality-3 which should be the raid1 module.  I added alias md-personality-3 raid1 to /etc/modules.conf but this did not help.  Any ideas how to force this?  I cant help feeling this would work if initrd was modprobeing instead of insmoding.  Any ideas?
[01:34] <netfighter> It's like programming in Java after years of programming in C++
[01:34] <hybrid> i think java > c++
[01:35] <hybrid> and i think dog doo > vb
[01:35] <ThomasWinwood> COBOL > VB
[01:35] <netfighter> LOL
[01:35] <Predius> Guys, do you know something iTunes like for Linux?
[01:35] <hybrid> fortran > vb and it aint even programin
[01:36] <shale> i'm trying to install paragon but the install.sh script isn't working for me... anyone care to tell how to "make" the driver manually ?
[01:36] <ThomasWinwood> Predius: rhythmbox is sorta iTunes-y.
[01:36] <hybrid> Predius: allofmp3/com
[01:36] <WW> forth vb >
[01:36] <hybrid> **,com
[01:36] <netfighter> Predius, pyMystique
[01:36] <Predius> I tried rhythm, sucked.
[01:36] <_ubuntu> ThomasWinwood: lol..
[01:36] <Predius> I'll try it, netfighter
[01:36] <hybrid> allofmp3.com is totally awesome d00d... lol.. but u pay 1 cent a mb
[01:36] <hybrid> ogg aac mp3 and other formats
[01:37] <janga> Predius. gtkpod
[01:37] <netfighter> it depends what u want, I assumed u were trying to run iTunes in Linux to buy music and stuff. If u r just looking for the media player, there are better options
[01:37] <hybrid> does gtkpod d/l songs
[01:37] <Predius> not iTMS, hybrid
[01:37] <hybrid> ooooooo
[01:37] <hybrid> Predius: well mplayer pwns
[01:37] <Predius> guys, anyone wanna point me to pyMystique's site?
[01:37] <hybrid> or you like gui
[01:37] <Predius> I know, I wan't some sort of easy search
[01:37] <hybrid> lol
[01:38] <Predius> like search-as-you-go
[01:38] <netfighter> pyMusique
[01:38] <Predius> thanks netfighter
[01:39] <hybrid> lol
[01:39] <chet_> ok, anyone been successful with WEP?
[01:39] <netfighter> but that's an iTMS client
[01:39] <Zindar> chet: yes
[01:39] <_ubuntu> hey, I needed to be identified to join the Java channel, what does that mean? I needed to be personnel?
[01:39] <netfighter> brb
[01:39] <njan> chet_, I'm talking to you via a WEP-encrypted wireless network at the moment :p
[01:39] <blackbird_> my first thoughts about ubuntu: it's great, but it's still way to advanced for most users
[01:39] <hybrid> chet_ wep isny much anymore
[01:39] <chet_> njan, how did you do it?  through gui or interfaces file?
[01:40] <chet_> hybrid, true, but better than nothing
[01:40] <hybrid> blackbird: how is it advanced it is my first full time distro
[01:40] <_ubuntu> blackbird_: you are joking right? it boots everything out of the box
[01:40] <hybrid> chet_ yea
[01:40] <hybrid> try gpg
[01:40] <Predius> i would use wep, but the trouble is not worth it.
[01:40] <hybrid> or w/e
[01:40] <njan> chet_, neither; I use http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/ to manage wlan profiles
[01:40] <chet_> ive tried wep through gui, then wicme, nothing works
[01:40] <njan> Predius, what trouble? It's *EASY* to configure
[01:40] <bodaciousb> what mp3 players do all of you use?
[01:40] <Predius> there must be 100 wireless users ;P
[01:40] <Predius> i'm just lazy
[01:40] <chet_> thanks njan
[01:40] <njan> chet_, yw
[01:41] <Predius> physical?
[01:41] <xMaximex> What should i write to get a 75hz refresh rate ??? Right now it's like that :
[01:41] <blackbird_> eum i still have a lot of trouble with my usb drives
[01:41] <xMaximex>         HorizSync       28-49
[01:41] <xMaximex>         VertRefresh     43-72
[01:41] <Predius> bodaciousb, physical?
[01:41] <Predius> 75
[01:41] <blackbird_> yes they are in ntfs but still
[01:41] <Predius> xMaximex, 75
[01:41] <bodaciousb> Predius, never heard of it
[01:41] <indigirl1> bodaciousb: mp3blaster
[01:41] <Predius> mplayer
[01:41] <xMaximex> Predius, VertRefresh    75
[01:41] <xMaximex> ?
[01:41] <Predius> Yeah.
[01:41] <Predius> look it up on the internet
[01:41] <Predius> for the exact specs
[01:42] <Predius> you don't wanna break the monitor
[01:42] <bodaciousb> thanks guys, im trying every mp3 player i can find to see if one will play an mp3 off my windows share
[01:42] <hybrid> lol
[01:42] <xMaximex> Predius, i know my screen can take 75hz
[01:42] <Predius> mplayer does great
[01:42] <indigirl1> bodaciousb: try xmms
[01:42] <Predius> Then just write it
[01:42] <novatux> hellow how i can create a local repository withd gpg option?? (my english is baad)
[01:42] <Predius> mplayer is l33ter, indigirl1
[01:42] <bodaciousb> indigirl1, it wont play it
[01:42] <_ubuntu> blackbird_: You really can't complain about that right? because it is the same thing when you complain about opening an ext3 in windows and it doesn't work, then can you say "windows is still too advanced for users"?
[01:42] <Predius> you can show off
[01:42] <Predius> and xmms has some issues in ubuntu
[01:42] <shale> sorry i had a phone call
[01:42] <shale> where was i?
[01:42] <shale> i'm trying to install paragon but the install.sh script isn't working for me... anyone care to tell how to "make" the driver manually ?
[01:43] <bodaciousb> indigirl1, i can play mp3s off of my comp, no problem, but if i try and load one off the network it loads it, but it wont play it at all
[01:43] <jtaylor> my initrd tries to insmod md-personality-3 which should be the raid1 module.  I added alias md-personality-3 raid1 to /etc/modules.conf but this did not help.  Any ideas how to force this?  I cant help feeling this would work if initrd was modprobeing instead of insmoding.  Any ideas?
[01:43] <Predius> sh configure?
[01:43] <shale> yea something like that
[01:43] <indigirl1> bodaciousb: what protocol?
[01:43] <shale> sh configure gives me no such directory
[01:43] <_ubuntu> hey guys, tell me please, what IRC program you are using? because Konversation is not quite nice..
[01:43] <bodaciousb> indigirl1, the mp3s are on my wifes computer on a windows share
[01:43] <indigirl1> bodaciousb: samba?
[01:43] <hybrid> irssi
[01:44] <shale> x-chat
[01:44] <blackbird_> not really complaining but if you want people to start using ubuntu it has to be better then windows, i have no doubt it is on security, and it has many nice features no doubt about that, but it just has to work better with windows stuff (like shared windows maps, ntfs etc.)
[01:44] <Predius> what does it output when install.sh shows an error?
[01:44] <bodaciousb> indigirl1, hell if i know places -> network on ubuntu
[01:44] <_ubuntu> irssi...my friend recommended that, let me try.  I tried x-chat, it's not too bad.
[01:44] <Predius> blackbird_, there's trouble with ntfs not because of linux dev
[01:44] <shale> Predius want me to paste the whole output to you (its about 10 lines)
[01:44] <Predius> windows changes a little part in every release
[01:44] <hybrid> irssi pwns
[01:44] <Predius> pm
[01:44] <hussam> how do I exit x?
[01:44] <novatux> hello, how i can create a local repository withd gpg option?? (my english is bad)
[01:44] <Predius> shale, pm
[01:44] <shale> ok
[01:44] <hybrid> no
[01:44] <Predius> ctrl alt backspace
[01:45] <indigirl1> bodaciousb: copy one to local drive to test
[01:45] <Predius> hussam,  ctrl alt test
[01:45] <Predius> hussam,  ctrl alt backspace
[01:45] <bodaciousb> indigirl1, i did, it plays fine
[01:45] <hybrid> brb
[01:45] <hussam> Predius: ok thanks
[01:45] <nickrud> novatux, as I understand it, it's the individual packages that get signed, not the repository itself
[01:46] <Epix> hybrid, wow a djusing muine
[01:46] <Epix> hybrid, he could just take requests and queue them
[01:46] <_ubuntu> blackbird_: true...true...they are working hard on it, but it is very difficult to reverse engineer the proprietory format
[01:46] <Burgundavia> Epix, I can see that
[01:47] <Burgundavia> Epix, easy search and simple interface
[01:47] <Epix> Burgundavia, but can you crossfade?
[01:47] <novatux> nickrud, i downloaded a many files from ubuntu repositories and now i want to install this packages in another machine, how i can skip de gpg signed, the synaptic try to download from internet
[01:47] <_ubuntu> Predius: isn't that CTRL-ALT-Space restarts X only?
[01:47] <Predius> _ubuntu, also MS changes it from time to time
[01:47] <Burgundavia> Epix, no idea
[01:47] <Predius> yeah
[01:47] <Predius> he want's to restart it
[01:47] <Burgundavia> Epix, there is no preferences
[01:47] <xMaximex> Predius, It works, but now i can only set 800x600
[01:47] <Daehlie> CTRL-ALT-Backspace restarts x
[01:47] <Burgundavia> Epix, they are all on the menu, amazing
[01:48] <nickrud> novatux, let me think on that a sec, I've imported other keys
[01:48] <_ubuntu> Predius: I know, that's why I formatted one of my computers to test out Ubuntu/Kubuntu and found I fall in love with it, so I am going to test all things that I need, then I will change all my home computer to Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[01:48] <novatux> nickrud, thanks!!!! we have dialup is very important that
[01:48] <Epix> Burgundavia, huh
[01:48] <Predius> xMaximex, look for in your xorg.conf
[01:48] <Predius> it's pretty obvious when there's a problem
[01:48] <Epix> Burgundavia, and what do i have to kill to stop muine from segging
[01:49] <xMaximex> Predius, the only resolution specified in xorg.conf is 1024.780
[01:49] <Burgundavia> Epix, usually a programs has a "preferences" option on the menu
[01:49] <Burgundavia> Epix, muine uses gstreamer
[01:49] <hybrid> Epix: lets start a dj service using mplayer and a thinkpad
[01:49] <xMaximex> 768
[01:49] <Burgundavia> Epix, you should need to do anthing. You might want to reinstall it
[01:49] <Predius> on all depths?
[01:49] <xMaximex> yes
[01:49] <gp_aaron> WOW!! ubuntu is the first distro to support above 1024x768 on my computer!!!!!
[01:49] <nickrud> novatux, brb
[01:49] <hybrid> lol
[01:50] <Predius> must e a video driver
[01:50] <marc74> gp_aaron, cool!
[01:50] <Predius> sorry, can't help you.
[01:50] <gp_aaron> i'm definatly not switching for awhile:)
[01:50] <xMaximex> http://www.pastebin.com/277317
[01:50] <gp_aaron> its got apt
[01:50] <chet_> before i try wifiradar, has anyone gotten wep to work through the gui or editing interfaces?
[01:50] <hussam> I need to exit x. I did ctrl + alt + backspace but that only restarted x. and init 3 doesn't seem to fo anything
[01:50] <gp_aaron> it goes to 1280x1024
[01:50] <gp_aaron> :)
[01:50] <marc74> gp_aaron, i have XP on my desktop, my laptop is totally ubuntu
[01:51] <gp_aaron> I just came from mepis
[01:51] <gp_aaron> i dont like kde
[01:51] <marc74> gp_aaron, i can't read that small
[01:51] <hybrid> hussam: sudo shutdown now takes you to cli
[01:51] <marc74> gp_aaron, gnome is the shit
[01:51] <gp_aaron> lol
[01:51] <gp_aaron> i'm new to gnome
[01:51] <hybrid> XFCE owms
[01:51] <gp_aaron> how do I edit the app menu though?
[01:51] <Trickyphillips> Can anyone suggest some software for linux that will mirror a website to my harddrive?
[01:51] <marc74> gp_aaron, i'm new to linux in general haha
[01:51] <chet_> hybrid, so you run no wep?
[01:51] <hybrid> chet_ yea
[01:52] <gp_aaron> oh
[01:52] <hybrid> but i am a mile from the road and so far away that i have to have satelite to get broadband
[01:52] <Predius> wget -rm
[01:52] <chet_> i guess i will too until i can get this figured out
[01:52] <hybrid> lol
[01:52] <Predius> wget -rm <site url>
[01:52] <hussam> hybrid: shutdown -what?
[01:52] <marc74> i have to figure out how to install a file from the shell lmao
[01:52] <Predius> Trickyphillips, wget -rm
[01:53] <hybrid> hussam : sudo shutdown now
[01:53] <marc74> i was spoiled with windows
[01:53] <Trickyphillips> Thanks. :)
[01:53] <hybrid> marc74: spoiled?
[01:53] <marc74> hybrid, in a sense that i didn't have to think while installing a file
[01:53] <_ubuntu> omg, KDE can't do something like Gnome that CTRL+ALT+ArrowKey to move an application to another virtual desktop....
[01:53] <chet_> hybrid, you have to admin windows works well for most thinks
[01:53] <chet_> thinks=things
[01:53] <Predius> Thanks to Ubuntu, I deleted that virus on /Windows!
[01:53] <marc74> hybrid, windows sucks
[01:54] <marc74> hybrid, in my opinino
[01:54] <marc74> hybrid, opinion*
[01:54] <Predius> chet, windows works well because people code more for it
[01:54] <hybrid> marc74: yea it sux and i like controll over my install
[01:54] <_ubuntu> Predius: hahahahahaha...nice one
[01:54] <Anubis>  is there a way to make nautilus remember column size in file detail view?
[01:54] <marc74> hybrid, same here, but i gotta learn, unfortunately
[01:54] <Predius> I actually did, _ubuntu!
[01:54] <hybrid> marc74: it only gets easier
[01:54] <Predius> free for about 6 month
[01:54] <IFR> HI, all -- Anyone using FUSE?
[01:54] <marc74> hybrid, thanks :)
[01:55] <_ubuntu> Predius: just to confirm, KDE doesn't have shortcut key like what gnome has for changing applications to different virtual desktos?
[01:55] <_ubuntu> *desktops
[01:55] <hybrid> marc74: never feel discourage well all have been there
[01:55] <marc74> hybrid, i'm willing to learn, just have to find the resources, ubuntuguide.org seems to be a good one
[01:55] <gp_aaron> anyone know how to edit the gnome menu?
[01:55] <Predius> I use fluxbox, sorry.
[01:55] <Predius> http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/28/2214245&tid=123&tid=179&tid=3
[01:55] <Predius> lawl owned
[01:55] <hybrid> Marc74: juss a few months ago i was askin how to compile now i cant stop lol
[01:55] <marc74> hybrid, i concur, thanks for the encouragement
[01:55] <K_Dallas> anyone could plz help me with my DSL connection? If a program is accessing internet, it continues to do so but if for instance the browser or email client stay inactive for a while, they are no more connected and i have to do poff -a and po to make them work but those programs connected actively, e.g. xchat, they are not affected byt this!
[01:56] <hybrid> marc74: np ever need help i am usuallt here
[01:56] <marc74> hybrid, i understand totally
[01:56] <_ubuntu> Predius: is it good?
[01:56] <hybrid> **usually
[01:56] <marc74> hybrid, can you help me with jre?
[01:56] <Predius> yeah, fast, light, awesomely customizable
[01:56] <hybrid> marc74: and you were wise with the distro too the community is awesome and award winning :p
[01:56] <hybrid> marc74: whats up with the java
[01:56] <marc74> hybrid, yes yes
[01:57] <marc74> hybrid, i need jre, but don't know how to install/set it up
[01:57] <_ubuntu> Predius: I can install from synaptic right? and then I change the desktop management to fluxbox right?
[01:57] <Predius> yeah
[01:57] <chet_> marc74, there is a decent link, lemme look
[01:57] <hybrid> marc74:did you d/l from sun?
[01:57] <marc74> hybrid, if you could give me a line for line, i would appreciate it
[01:57] <marc74> hybrid, yes i have a file i'll let you know which one
[01:57] <chet_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:57] <hybrid> marc74: ok
[01:58] <_ubuntu> Predius, thanks, let me try...
[01:58] <marc74> hybrid, jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[01:58] <chet_> marc74, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:58] <chet_> worked well
[01:58] <Predius> then alien that rpm
[01:58] <Predius> as root
[01:58] <Predius> marc74,
[01:58] <Predius> ./jre...
[01:58] <marc74> can you ppl give me a line for line?
[01:58] <hybrid> marc74: ok rpm is not the best for ubuntu from here on look for deb in the name unless it is source
[01:59] <marc74> or should i look it up?
[01:59] <Predius> #alien jre...rpm
[01:59] <Predius> guys
[01:59] <hybrid> Predius: it is binary
[01:59] <Predius> ALIEN
[01:59] <nickrud> I did a search for the ubuntu package signing key on www.keyserver.net (437D05B5) and it was not found
[01:59] <chet_> marc74, that link shows line by line
[01:59] <Predius> ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[01:59] <marc74> ok thanks chet
[01:59] <Epix> ROFL, drag your main gnome panel to the side of your screen... thats some big lifesaver
[01:59] <nickrud> is that key truly not out on the net?
[01:59] <Predius> then alien the rpm
[01:59] <bettse> does anyone have experience with ipw2100 (centrino) wireless cards?
[01:59] <Burgundavia> nickrud, it is included by default in your ubuntu distro
[02:00] <marc74> i'm a noob definately
[02:00] <marc74> thanks for all of your help
[02:00] <hybrid> np
[02:00] <marc74> i hope i get it going
[02:00] <Predius> done it, marc?
[02:00] <chet_> bettse, there is some doc on the ubuntu forums
[02:00] <marc74> getting there, got a buzz going haha
[02:00] <hybrid> lol
[02:00] <bettse> chet_, i'll do a serach, bbl
[02:00] <nickrud> Burgundavia, someone is setting up a private repo, and is having troubles with authentication
[02:00] <bettse> chet_, thank you
[02:00] <marc74> this is my unwind time from work
[02:00] <marc74> play time
[02:00] <Anubis> how do I uninstall realplayer
[02:00] <marc74> haha
[02:01] <Veritas> Why would you want to? :o
[02:01] <Anubis> so that it also leaves my menu
[02:01] <Anubis> because I have helix
[02:01] <Anubis> and thats besides the point
[02:01] <marc74> i followed the lines that they gave me but didn't work
[02:01] <Predius> #apt-get remove real-player?
[02:01] <marc74> should i remove the directories and files?
[02:01] <Predius> or realplayer?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> nickrud, oh
[02:01] <Burgundavia> nickrud, talk to a ubuntu dev
[02:02] <marc74> ?
[02:02] <nickrud> Burgundavia, looks like that's the way
[02:02] <hybrid> marc74: go back to the site that had the packages of jre and look for a deb or debian package
[02:02] <xMaximex> Predius, can you tell me what WAS my vertrefresh settings ?
[02:02] <xMaximex> with what i pasted
[02:02] <nickrud> novato, still around?
[02:02] <novatux> yes nickrud
[02:02] <Anubis> it was installed with realplayer installer
[02:03] <Anubis> it must have an unistaller no?
[02:03] <novatux> reading =(
[02:03] <hybrid> not always
[02:03] <Predius> xMaximex         VertRefresh     43-72 HorizSync 28-49
[02:03] <nickrud> novatux, how did you go about getting the debs you want to install?
[02:03] <xMaximex> thanks
[02:04] <Predius> dpkg -r <installer file>
[02:04] <transgress> grar... i must have dvd player!  damn it.  guess i'll try one other distro and if it doesn't work then i'll probably come back to a fresh install of ubuntu and try some other stuff with it.
[02:04] <novatux> i downloaded the files from ubuntu, then i put in a directory and i create a repository with dpkg-scanpackages
[02:05] <hybrid> transgress: how about mplayer
[02:05] <novatux> but if i have a internet repositorie, synaptic dont want take the deb from my repositorie
[02:05] <transgress> hybrid: crashes with something about decode_audio
[02:05] <hybrid> transgress: do like me and compile it
[02:05] <hybrid> it worked then
[02:05] <novatux> if i put a # to the internet repositorie i can use my local repositorie
[02:06] <hybrid> i couldnt get it to work from synaptic
[02:06] <transgress> hybrid: from the deb source or from the site?
[02:06] <hybrid> trangress: fro the website; and i would grab the essintials while you are there too
[02:06] <novatux> whit the notice NOT AUTENTIFICATE PACKAGE o something like
[02:07] <transgress> is there a make deb command or should i get checkinstall?
[02:07] <hybrid> to compile
[02:07] <transgress> yeah
[02:07] <nickrud> novatux, as Burg. said, you need a developer's help. You might ask on #ubuntu-devel.
[02:08] <hybrid> ./config >>>make>>>sudo make install
[02:08] <transgress> i'd like to be able to keep up with it so i can remove it completely if i want to upgrade it or something
[02:08] <nickrud> novatux, they are kinda busy right now, but you may get an answer fairly quickly
[02:08] <transgress> yeah but make install doesn't give me a way to remove it usually
[02:08] <transgress> i'll grab checkinstall
[02:08] <novatux> nickrud, ok thank you very much!!!
[02:09] <nickrud> novatux, the authenticate thing is really new (not even in debian sarge yet) & not many understand it well, let alone me :)
[02:09] <nickrud> s/sarge/unstable/
[02:09] <transgress> hey hybrid what do i do with the essentials?
[02:10] <hybrid> juss have them on your computer before you compile
[02:10] <novatux> ok nickrud no problem, we dont know for wath is it, hehehe
[02:10] <nickrud> novatux, luck
[02:10] <novatux> nickrud, ;)
[02:10] <transgress> hybrid: well i downloaded them, but do i need to put them in a particular place?  or at least untar them?
[02:11] <hybrid> yes untar no to the place
[02:11] <hybrid> i have the essinatials at my desktop and my mplayer at home but it doesnt matter
[02:12] <Moo2> GRUB wont load :/
[02:13] <Predius> Installed Windows?
[02:13] <Epix> Moo, thats vague... why not?
[02:13] <Predius> After Linux?
[02:13] <dcraven> transgress: make uninstall typically removes packages.
[02:13] <nickrud> novatux, still here?
[02:13] <Moo> its a new HDD
[02:13] <Epix> Moo, any error message give?
[02:13] <Epix> given
[02:13] <Moo> just this:
[02:13] <Moo> GRUB Loading stage1.5.
[02:13] <Moo> GRUB loading, please wait...
[02:13] <Moo> then hangs
[02:13] <hybrid> well plz wait
[02:14] <Moo> i did so for an hourt
[02:14] <hybrid> lol jp
[02:14] <Epix> LETS DO THE TIMEWARP AGAIN!
[02:14] <Epix> :D
[02:14] <Moo> O.o
[02:14] <iocaste> I'm using GDM to run a session using Blackbox. How do configure it to automatically run xterm, fbpanel etc. when Blackbox is started?
[02:15] <p0m> Epix: You're mutilating the lyrics.
[02:15] <transgress> dcraven: not if i delete the directory that i did the make from
[02:15] <ismael_> i'm using warty, what i need change in source.list to upgrade to The Hoary Hedgehog ? can i use 'stable' ?
[02:15] <Moo> Any ideas for my not-loading GRUB?
[02:15] <Predius> get a boot disk?
[02:15] <p0m> ismael_: ubuntuguide.com
[02:15] <Moo> Where?
[02:15] <p0m> There's a guide there.
[02:15] <Epix> :-|-<, :-/-<, :-|, :\-<
[02:15] <hybrid> ismael_ no change all warty to hoary
[02:16] <ismael_> thanks
[02:16] <dcraven> transgress: True. When I accidentally do that, I get the tarball again, remake, reinstall, and then uninstall it :)
[02:16] <Predius> ismael_, change /etc/apt/sources.list and change all warty into hoary
[02:16] <hybrid> a question we all know
[02:16] <Moo> Where do I get a boot disk?
[02:17] <Predius> Wait.
[02:17] <Predius> Do you have the LiveCD?
[02:17] <FeJaOr> something weird just happened and Im very happy about it....I restart ubuntu and somehow, I dunno how exactly, my NTFS partition showed up in the main screen as mount/unmount units :D
[02:17] <Moo> Predius no
[02:17] <FeJaOr> does anybody know how this happened??
[02:17] <FeJaOr> Im so happy about it :D :D :D
[02:18] <Predius> ...
[02:18] <hybrid> lol
[02:18] <Predius> So, FeJaOr ?
[02:18] <Moo> Predius: should I get the LiveCD?
[02:18] <FeJaOr> Predius, just wanted to know how to do that in case they somehow dissapear one day....
[02:18] <Predius> You could re install the grub from the live ubuntu
[02:18] <Predius> add it into the fstab
[02:19] <hybrid> yall ill bbl
[02:19] <hybrid> bye
[02:19] <Moo> bye
[02:19] <Moo> Predius: should I get the LiveCD?
[02:19] <Predius> Moo, http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/
[02:19] <Predius> That could help you
[02:19] <Moo> ok
[02:20] <Moo> Thank you.
[02:20] <FeJaOr> does anybody know about that?? making the NTFS partitions to be mount/unmount units??
[02:20] <Moo> Do I really need GRUB? Linux is the only OS installed.
[02:20] <FeJaOr> I mean...like a cdrom instead of just searching for the folders....
[02:20] <^thehatsrule^> lol... you need a boot loader anyways Moo
[02:20] <Predius> yes, Moo
[02:20] <p0m> You need a bootloader to be able to boot.
[02:21] <Moo> :P okok
[02:21] <Predius> Windows has one too.
[02:21] <boredofthesane> hello I have a question, I just installed a new video card and its an nvidia 6600gt (yeah!!) and my previous card was an ati x600, my monitor supports 1920x1440 resolution which it was set to with the x600, but when I installed the new nvidia driver it won't let me get that high anymore, is there a reason why?  The video card supports this resolution as well...
[02:21] <Predius> You just don't see it
[02:21] <Predius> check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:22] <Lars_G> Hi ubuntuers
[02:22] <Moo> Where do I get this GRUB boot disk?
[02:22] <Lars_G> Mind if I sit around and watch you speak?
[02:22] <boredofthesane> Predius: the resolution was listed in there
[02:22] <Bicchi> can anyone help setting up a dual monitor system. right now the monitors are cloning each other. i wish to have a long desktop instead.
[02:22] <Lars_G> I love debian, but I can't stand #debian I hope I get a better vibe here ;)
[02:22] <boredofthesane> Predius: it does a virtual desktop deal where i move the mouse to the top of the screen and the screen slides up with the mouse cursor
[02:22] <Predius> ah
[02:22] <Moo> Predius: Where do I get this GRUB boot disk?
[02:23] <boredofthesane> maybe i need to generate a new xorg.conf? but how?
[02:23] <boredofthesane> the ati driver overwrote my old one, so maybeit has something in there
[02:23] <Mar1> Lars was some one rude to you there or it just wasn't helpful
[02:23] <Predius> Moo, looking it up
[02:23] <Predius> gimme a minute
[02:23] <Moo> ok
[02:23] <Moo> :P
[02:23] <Moo> thanks
[02:23] <boredofthesane> I'm going crazy, i need my high res back, hehe!
[02:23] <WW> Lars_G: I have to admit, I sometimes lurk in #debian just see how bad it might get :)
[02:23] <dcraven> Lars_G: Pull up a seat :P
[02:24] <Lars_G> Also I am trying ubuntu soon, first as a livecd, then as an install
[02:24] <nickrud> #debian is why i didn't irc for a long time, the mail lists are a *bit* more polite :)
[02:24] <FeJaOr> does anybody know about that?? making the NTFS partitions to be mount/unmount units??
[02:24] <FeJaOr> I mean...like a cdrom instead of just searching for the folders....
[02:24] <Burgundavia> boredofthesane, the ati driver should have written the XF86Config-4
[02:24] <Burgundavia> boredofthesane, can you /query me your xorg.conf ?
[02:25] <mikerobi> has anyone had trouble with the mozilla-thundebird package? It doesnt load my profile, but the official release doesn't have any trouble
[02:25] <mikerobi> office mozilla release
[02:25] <dcraven> boredofthesane: maybe this is of some use? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:25] <Lars_G> I always work with 3 distros, one for desktop and small servers one for network machines and one for big servers... and with debian so far behind, I have no good desktop-small server distro to use :) so I am considering Ubuntu given the good publicity it has
[02:25] <CarlK> what is the dev-ess... pacakge for building things from source?
[02:26] <nickrud> CarlK, build-essential
[02:26] <CarlK> build!
[02:26] <CarlK> thanks (3rd time I have forgotten.. need to carve it into my forehead)
[02:26] <transgress> heh it turns out a configure file gets might angry when you don't have gcc
[02:26] <nickrud> yeah, I think I told you this before :p
[02:26] <Lars_G> I think I better go read a few things on the site rather than asking them here, shouldn't I?
[02:26] <turkey_joe> How do i change the file permissions on my NTFS partition??
[02:27] <Burgundavia> turkey_joe, the mounted one? mount it -umask 0222
[02:27] <Lars_G> transgress: DO you use another compiler? or have no compiler at all?
[02:27] <CarlK> nickrud - yes, I think you answered at least one
[02:27] <turkey_joe> yes
[02:27] <dcraven> transgress: I bet it does... Who would expect Linux to have no gcc? Not me until Ubuntu.
[02:27] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, Ubuntu ships with no compiler installed
[02:27] <Lars_G> Burgundavia: Holy gods!
[02:27] <Moo> o.o
[02:28] <Lars_G> Burgundavia: One is easy to install isn't it? I can't live without my toolchains
[02:28] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, they figure if you need it, you can install it
[02:28] <dcraven> Lars_G: that's what I said too.
[02:28] <CarlK> I like it - it shows that ubuntu doesn't need it
[02:28] <p0m> Lars_G: Apt-get install gcc
[02:28] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, build-essential is a metapackage for all that
[02:28] <dcraven> Lars_G: apt-get install build-essential gets it all.
[02:28] <Lars_G> Burgundavia: Well you know.... it's true
[02:28] <turkey_joe> its already mounted so how do i use that command??
[02:28] <Moo> Lars_G: everybody is saying your name.
[02:28] <turkey_joe> can i use chmod??
[02:28] <Moo> why not.
[02:28] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, and if you don't need, it is a security risk
[02:28] <gp_aaron> Can I rename the modules in compter://?
[02:28] <dcraven> turkey_joe: yes
[02:29] <Epix> 1 min left for java dl
[02:29] <dcraven> turkey_joe: oh wait.
[02:29] <Lars_G> Burgundavia: But still it has a few downsides, given there will always be software an end user will easily find but which brings no binary package, so it needs to be compiled..... well nevermind, an end user will not know much about configure and make anyhow
[02:29] <dcraven> turkey_joe: Forget what I said, I dunno what you are talking about.
[02:29] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, right
[02:30] <CarlK> Lars_G - not always.  my GF is very happy with Open Office and Firefox
[02:30] <turkey_joe> From my account, i would like to beable to create folders and copies files to it.
[02:30] <dcraven> Burgundavia: I never knew gcc was a security risk.
[02:30] <Lars_G> CarlK: And my BF is using linux and just calls for help when he needs me to compile somethn
[02:30] <nickrud> turkey_joe, you can't write to ntfs, basically
[02:30] <Burgundavia> dcraven, anything is a security risk
[02:31] <Burgundavia> dcraven, the more code on your system, the more risk you are accepting
[02:31] <dcraven> Burgundavia: I see.. O.o
[02:31] <turkey_joe> what do you mean "basically"???
[02:31] <Lars_G> dcraven: It is not for overflows, but because they let an invader compile arbitrary code into a binary that works on the system I think, including worms, viruses, exploits....
[02:31] <Burgundavia> dcraven, it can also do something very useful for crackers
[02:31] <Epix> Lars_G, ubuntu does make a great desktop, its got all the good parts of debian but without  the oldness :P
[02:31] <turkey_joe> its either you can or you can't....no basically..
[02:31] <CarlK> anyone who doesn't know how to complie something doesn't "need" to compile anyhing
[02:31] <nickrud> turkey_joe, there are things out there that will let you (I don't know exactly) but it's not advised
[02:31] <ryman> Chicks Dig Linux
[02:32] <Burgundavia> I only compile in my pbuilder chroot
[02:32] <Lars_G> Epix: Is it as painless to expand/upgrade over the net as debian is with apt?
[02:32] <ryman> I wish my gf can use linux and show me how
[02:32] <Burgundavia> I don't have non-debs on my system
[02:32] <ryman> hi Burgundavia
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> Lars_G: it's EXACTLY the same
[02:32] <Burgundavia> salut ryman
[02:32] <turkey_joe> maybe i should change the file system type???? Is that recommended??
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> in that respect
[02:32] <Lars_G> HrdwrBoB: Ubuntu uses apt? YAY
[02:32] <Lars_G> Long live apt
[02:32] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, most of universe and mulitverse is debian
[02:32] <Marc> i'm having a problem with my pcmcia card / adapter for compact flash, other distros pic this card up straight away, how can i make ubuntu do the same?
[02:32] <nickrud> Lars_G, /usr/share/doc/package has README.Debian
[02:32] <Burgundavia> Lars_G, there is a lot that was pulled in from apt-get.org just before hoary release as well
[02:33] <marc74> Marc, hi
[02:33] <Lars_G> Anyhow in case you wondered, for big servers I use either gentoo, debian or OpenBSD and for network machines FreeBSD with PF
[02:33] <marc74> Marc, i'm marc too
[02:33] <turkey_joe> So can i copy files to that partition??
[02:33] <Mahl> Gotta love Ubuntu
[02:33] <marc74> how long should an alien install take?
[02:33] <Marc> no your marc74 not marc two
[02:33] <marc74> seconds or minutes
[02:33] <turkey_joe> Also, how can i install rpm files??
[02:33] <Lars_G> turkey_joe: You can but be carefull, NTFS support is still beta and flaky in linux
[02:34] <marc74> Marc, haha
[02:34] <turkey_joe> ok
[02:34] <marc74> Marc, no that is my real name "Marc"
[02:34] <Lars_G> No shit
[02:34] <p0m> Someone should just put the link to ubuntuguide in the topic.
[02:34] <Lars_G> You're both called Marc? odd....
[02:34] <Lars_G> ;)
[02:34] <Epix> Lars_G, it is expandable/upgradable with apt
[02:34] <marc74> Marc, i see you think like i do
[02:34] <Marc> me as well, where are you based?
[02:34] <turkey_joe> how do i use alien to install rpm files??
[02:34] <Zindar> turkey_joe: don't
[02:34] <Zindar> install deb:s instead
[02:35] <jessica_> does anyone know how to change the save location in grip?
[02:35] <Epix> Lars_G, but, there are also ppackage trees with newer/nonfree packages.
[02:35] <marc74> whatever
[02:35] <Lars_G> p0m: Don't bother, good users will seek the guide for themselves, bad users never read the topic
[02:35] <Epix> if you choose to use them
[02:35] <marc74> i'm just joking around
[02:35] <p0m> Lars_G: Touche.
[02:35] <marc74> in an "as a matter of fact" kinda way
[02:35] <Lars_G> turkey_joe: If there is no deb, alien helps you convert rpm to deb but then you install with your usual installer (dpkg??)
[02:36] <jessica_> does anyone know how to change the save location in grip?
[02:36] <Lars_G> marc74: No intention to bug you out I was joking about too
[02:36] <marc74> should an alien istall take forever?
[02:36] <marc74> Lars_G, np
[02:36] <marc74> install*
[02:36] <Burgundavia> alien should install
[02:36] <Burgundavia> it should only convert the package format
[02:36] <marc74> yes, but the clock is ticking on about 3 minutes
[02:37] <turkey_joe> ok...the reason i ask is because i would like to install cedega??
[02:37] <turkey_joe> its an rpm file
[02:37] <marc74> bush is talking out his ass
[02:37] <marc74> kinda funny
[02:37] <dcraven> turkey_joe: Transgaming also had debs for download.
[02:37] <transgress> why is bush talking?
[02:37] <marc74> no, i'm sitting here waiting, without response
[02:37] <nickrud> jessica_, under config, rip and encode have 'file format', that's where you choose the location
[02:37] <marc74> 3+ minutes
[02:37] <marc74> public address
[02:37] <transgress> i didn't think they'd let him out of his cage after the election
[02:37] <turkey_joe> ok.
[02:37] <FeJaOr> does anybody know about that?? making the NTFS partitions to be mount/unmount units??
[02:37] <FeJaOr> I mean...like a cdrom instead of just searching for the folders....
[02:37] <CarlK> marc74 - 2 times he has described the SS plan, and personal i think it relies on "and then magic happens"
[02:38] <marc74> CarlK, i agree
[02:38] <CarlK> ack... this isn't #politics
[02:38] <marc74> CarlK, if you wanna label me i am definately not a republican
[02:38] <jessica_> does anyone know how to change the save location in grip?
[02:38] <marc74> CarlK, generaly speaking, not directed towards you
[02:38] <Burgundavia> marc74, please discuss politics in antoher forum
[02:38] <marc74> CarlK, if anyone wants to label me...per se
[02:39] <marc74> Burgundavia, i hate politics
[02:39] <Burgundavia> marc74, all the more reason to avoid it on #ubuntu
[02:39] <CarlK> yeah - there is enough ubuntu related noise
[02:39] <nickrud> jessica_, I've answered your question. look at the defaults, and modify to suit
[02:39] <marc74> sorry for bringing up bush, but just getting on my neves
[02:39] <marc74> sorry burg
[02:39] <jessica_> i've looked at all of the defaults and can't find a place to change it
[02:39] <marc74> ok process done
[02:39] <boredofthesane> hi Xorg question, i regenerated my xorg.conf file and I have 1920x1440 resolution first for 24bit mode and I am in 24 bit mode, how come it will only go to 1600x1200? Is this a known issue for the nvidia driver?  I'm surprised then because with the ati driver it could go higher and everyone talks about how horrible ati drivers are...
[02:39] <marc74> now what?
[02:39] <marc74> how do i set it up?
[02:40] <nickrud> jessica_, config tab, and encode and rip subtabs.
[02:40] <marc74> my bad on the bush thing
[02:40] <marc74> this about ubuntu
[02:40] <boredofthesane> regardless, anyone know my problem? could it be the screen resolution tool for ubuntu? that doesn't even list 1920x1440 as a valid mode, but when I reconfigure x it lists that as possible modes for my monitor I know it works with another video card, and this video card supports this resolution
[02:41] <marc74> can anyone tell me how to set up jre after i used alien?
[02:41] <marc74> i'm a noob
[02:41] <marc74> can't ya tell?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> marc74, alien should spit out a .deb file
[02:41] <nickrud> jessica_, grip is not the most user friendly program, and I apologize if the answer seems obscure :)
[02:41] <CarlK> how do I get autoconf 2.5?
[02:41] <boredofthesane> marc74: i just did that yesterday use the binary install instead of the rpm, otherwise it won't work properly
[02:41] <Burgundavia> that you install with sudo dkpg -i blah.deh
[02:41] <marc74> Burgundavia, in the directory i ran it from?
[02:41] <boredofthesane> marc74: even if you use alien
[02:41] <Veritas> Jeez. How big is the DVD iso
[02:41] <dcraven> boredofthesane: can you post your xorg.conf in pastebin.com? I'll see if I can spot anything.
[02:41] <Veritas> I've downloaded 1.8 gigs and it's still cranking away at 500kb/s
[02:41] <boredofthesane> dcraven: sure
[02:41] <Burgundavia> marc74, from whereever the deb when to
[02:42] <marc74> boredofthesane, what do i use to decompress it?
[02:42] <CarlK> Veritas - I would hope about 4.5gig
[02:42] <CarlK> so you are about 1/3 the way done
[02:42] <trans_err> can i share an internet connection over a wireless adapter using the ndiswrapper?
[02:42] <boredofthesane> marc74: a .bin file is not compressed at the console type chmod +x jre*bin;./jre*bin
[02:42] <marc74> lemme do an ls
[02:43] <marc74> boredofthesane, ok
[02:43] <boredofthesane> dcraven: http://www.pastebin.com/277337
[02:43] <FeJaOr> does anybody know about that?? making the NTFS partitions to be mount/unmount units??
[02:43] <FeJaOr> I mean...like a cdrom instead of just searching for the folders....
[02:44] <marc74> ok i'm lost
[02:44] <marc74> gotta take a break
[02:44] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:44] <Moo2> :P
[02:44] <^thehatsrule^> thats always a good idea ;p
[02:44] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, err... mount -t ntfs /media/folder ?
[02:44] <^thehatsrule^> captive ntfs?
[02:44] <boredofthesane> i'm so damn spoiled, after being at 1920x1440 i can't stand 1600x1200
[02:45] <boredofthesane> gimp editing is not as fun
[02:45] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, thats the way you mount them as a media like a cdrom??
[02:45] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[02:45] <RastaMahata> i run at 1024x768 and im really happy
[02:45] <dcraven> boredofthesane: First thing I'd do is put some refresh and synch rates for my monitor in that file.
[02:45] <outlier> I'm putting together a box for my 7-year old.  Does ubuntu have the debian junior apps or something equivalent?
[02:45] <RastaMahata> wait, what do you mean as media? you want the hard drives to be located in places and the desktop?
[02:45] <marc74> i think i am over complicating this
[02:46] <marc74> which i have a tendency to do sometimes
[02:46] <Burgundavia> outlier, gcompris and kde-edu should be there
[02:46] <marc74> can i give someone su rights and let them do it, technically?
[02:46] <boredofthesane> dcraven: how would i go about doing that?
[02:46] <nickrud> 1024 sucks, I need to replace my busted monitor
[02:47] <marc74> i know i would change my password
[02:47] <outlier> Thanks, Burgundavia
[02:47] <dcraven> boredofthesane: Checkout the section entitled "Undetected Monitor Specs" --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:47] <boredofthesane> dcraven: thanks for your help, I appreciate it
[02:47] <nickrud> boredofthesane, and look at /var/Xorg.0.log, it may give you some hints
[02:48] <Burgundavia> outlier, np
[02:48] <RastaMahata> hey, what was the package to play mp3 in hoary?
[02:48] <dcraven> boredofthesane: No sweat, but don't thank me 'til it works ;)
[02:48] <Moo2> Where do I get a GRUB boot disk?
[02:48] <Burgundavia> RastaMahata, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:48] <boredofthesane> heh
[02:48] <RastaMahata> ty
[02:48] <dcraven> boredofthesane: even if it doesn't, you display will look better and give you less headaches likely.
[02:48] <^thehatsrule^> moo2, just use the one from ubuntu
[02:48] <Veritas> If the DVD iso includes both the instal and the live CD, that only adds up to 1580 MBs... What is on the other 3 gigs of space?
[02:48] <marc74> on your release disk
[02:49] <marc74> there is an iso
[02:49] <Moo2> ^thehatsrule^: I dont have one =/
[02:49] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, I mean that I want my NTFS partitions to be located as a media....like when you insert a disk in the cd rom, you got an icon in the desktop....something like that but with my NTFS partitions
[02:49] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, have you checked System - Preferences - Screen Resolution to ensure you can't change it there
[02:49] <frampt> where is the current e17 instructions for the soulmachine repo? i keep seeing different instructions.. :-/
[02:49] <nickrud> Moo2, this may help: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRecoveryAndBootDisk.html
[02:49] <^thehatsrule^> moo2, you can just boot livecd... and that screen IS grub heh
[02:49] <marc74> my oh my i got a LOT to learn here
[02:50] <marc74> can't even install and setup jre
[02:50] <p0m> marc74: There's a guide at ubuntuguide for it.
[02:50] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[02:51] <marc74> p0m, ubuntuguide.org?
[02:51] <nickrud> marc74, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method 3 works very well
[02:51] <marc74> nickrud, ok thanks
[02:52] <nickrud> marc74, I've used it several times, and recommend it
[02:52] <boredofthesane> jsub12: it doesn't go as high as 1920x1440, had that issue with an x600 card previously in my comp, but edited the file manually and had no problem
[02:52] <marc74> nickrud, i gotta learn and have the patience
[02:52] <boredofthesane> jsub12: problem started when I changed my video card this morning
[02:52] <marc74> nickrud, patience i lack which is a bad thing
[02:52] <boredofthesane> brb restarting X
[02:52] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, is the nvidia kernel module loading
[02:52] <marc74> nickrud, kinda funny when i am a programmer
[02:52] <boredofthesane> jsub12: yeap, even have 3d working
[02:53] <boredofthesane> jsub12: was playing doom3 to get out some frustration hehe
[02:53] <boredofthesane> brb
[02:53] <Moo2> ^thehatsrule^: do you know if I can get shippit LiveCDs?
[02:53] <nickrud> marc74, I quit programming a long time ago, that's why I look for things like this :)
[02:53] <dcraven> marc74: what platform?
[02:53] <^thehatsrule^> yes you prolly can moo2... cept itll take a while
[02:53] <marc74> dcraven, c, c++, and vb
[02:54] <marc74> dcraven, you?
[02:54] <marc74> dcraven, i got some other languages i use, but not so proficient in them
[02:55] <marc74> dcraven, like RPG and FORTRAN
[02:55] <dcraven> marc74: C, C++, C#, and Python mostly.
[02:55] <b0urn3> where can i get the latest mpeg codecs....the versions listed in the documentation are gone
[02:55] <marc74> dcraven, i wanna learn Python
[02:55] <dcraven> marc74: Python as much as possible :)
[02:55] <boredofthesane> dcraven: nope, didn't work
[02:55] <marc74> dcraven, isn't that the common linux lang?
[02:56] <dcraven> marc74: If you know C/C++, then you know Python already. It's like psuedocode.
[02:56] <marc74> dcraven, ahh i see
[02:56] <boredofthesane> dcraven: where does the gnome screen resolution program read its list of resolutions, I have a feeling thats causing the problem
[02:56] <dcraven> marc74: Well.. No. C is I suppose.
[02:56] <marc74> dcraven, are the commands the same?
[02:56] <dcraven> marc74: Function names? No, they are different.
[02:56] <marc74> dcraven, i'm a pro at c
[02:56] <jsubl2> boredofthesane,  grep "default mode" /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if the res you want is listed
[02:57] <marc74> dcraven, oh ok, what about the libs?
[02:57] <Veritas> If the Ubuntu DVD iso includes both the instal and the live CD, that only adds up to 1580 MBs... What is on the other 3 gigs of space?
[02:57] <dcraven> boredofthesane: Crap, I was hoping that was it.. I don't know anything about a GNOME screen resolution program though.
[02:57] <marc74> libraries
[02:57] <dcraven> marc74: Python has it's own libs, but many C libraries have Python wrappers.
[02:57] <boredofthesane> dcraven: no worries
[02:57] <zamodeo> hey, quick question... if I install the amd64 version, does apt still work as it would on an x86 system?
[02:57] <Veritas> Anyone know? o.o
[02:57] <boredofthesane> jsub12: wow, it says 1920x1440 is out of range... but its not!
[02:58] <Predfood> Veritas, extra packages?
[02:58] <marc74> dcraven, ok linux is like so new to me, though it has been around a while
[02:58] <boredofthesane> jsub12: why would it say that, its supported....
[02:58] <Veritas> What are packages? <---- Fresh off the Linux boat
[02:58] <abarbaccia> anybody here run beagle/
[02:58] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, that part is not important
[02:58] <marc74> i mostly use visual studio
[02:58] <Predfood> Moo2, http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
[02:59] <marc74> i hate mS
[02:59] <marc74> MS*
[02:59] <boredofthesane> jsub12: i don't follow
[02:59] <DmD> hello, I have Ubuntu 5.04 and i'm trying to install Wine but when i try to create a config file i get an error msg "Please install the "winesetuptk" Debian packacge.
[02:59] <marc74> especially since it is illegal for me to decompile it
[02:59] <Predfood> Programs, Veritas
[02:59] <marc74> GNU is the way
[02:59] <boredofthesane> Dmd: sudo apt-get install winesetuptk
[02:59] <zamodeo> Predfood stole what I was going to say... except in less words
[02:59] <Veritas> Ah.
[03:00] <zamodeo> ;)
[03:00] <nickrud> boredofthesane, why not post the Xorg log so we can look at it
[03:00] <dcraven> marc74: if you are seriously interested in exploring Python, I'd recommend this tutorial for you as it will take only a couple of hours tops since you already know C. It's got useful examples, and isn't as basic as other tutorial --> http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/
[03:00] <DmD> ah ty boredofthesane
[03:00] <boredofthesane> nickrud: surely
[03:00] <boredofthesane> Dmd: np
[03:00] <marc74> ok thanks
[03:00] <DmD> alrght yup, it works :D
[03:00] <marc74> should i learn linux first dc?
[03:00] <Bicchi> how can i setup up dual monitors on ubuntu. right now the monitors are cloned i wish to have a big desktop instead.
[03:01] <b0urn3> i'm also having some problems getting gnome-torrent to work...is there some config i need to do before it works?
[03:01] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, you could try putting in your HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf.  but, dpms should be fine
[03:01] <nickrud> Bicchi, look into Xinerama
[03:01] <Predshowah> b0urn3, try azureus
[03:01] <marc74> back when i was in school they taught you BASIC first
[03:01] <p0m> marc74: There's also the Developer Shed Python guides too.
[03:01] <foxiness> am tried to install smart link modem "deamon" but its depends on "sl-modem-modules-new sl-modem-modules-new " but synaptic show me this msg "but it is not installable" ? how can i fix this please
[03:01] <tsume> hey I need some help. Can someone help getting links to sites where its filled with MS attacks, SCO fud, and anti-linux fud?
[03:01] <dcraven> marc74: Python is very portable. It'll work anywhere.
[03:01] <b0urn3> Predshowah: i'm trying to avoid it if i can...my machine is kind of old-timey
[03:01] <Predshowah> ah
[03:02] <zamodeo> I'll rephrase my original question... how do the amd64 apt repositories compare to the x86 ones?
[03:02] <boredofthesane> http://www.pastebin.com/277342
[03:02] <Predshowah> b0urn3, behind a router?
[03:02] <tsume> I'm putting together a site for linux advertising against the windows and promiting linux
[03:02] <Predshowah> don't advertise against
[03:02] <b0urn3> Pred:  i am, but the ports are already open
[03:02] <tsume> so I need some help getting the fud together so people know what the fud is
[03:02] <boredofthesane> jsub12: i did put my horizsync and vertrefresh in xorg.conf, and still a no go, but what is dpms?
[03:02] <Bicchi> nickrud:is that the only way?
[03:02] <Predshowah> wier
[03:02] <tsume> Predshowah: I'm advertising for linux
[03:02] <Predshowah> worked instantly for me
[03:02] <boredofthesane> http://www.pastebin.com/277342 <- Xorg.0.log
[03:02] <tsume> Predshowah: specifically the more popular distros, and ubuntu of course ;)
[03:02] <Predshowah> but don't go against win like a fanboi
[03:03] <foxiness> any one here use "smart link" modem ?
[03:03] <b0urn3> Pred:  when i open a torrent with gnome-torrent nothing happens....do i need to reinstall somehow?
[03:03] <tsume> Predshowah: no, its for advertising
[03:03] <tsume> Predshowah: People need to know what FUD is out there
[03:03] <Predshowah> show the best of ln instead of FUD against wind
[03:03] <Predshowah> br guys
[03:03] <Predshowah> beb
[03:03] <Predshowah> brb*
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> FUD-> MORE
[03:03] <tsume> Predshowah: its not FUD against win, its displaying the FUD which was produced from MS and lovers
[03:03] <boredofthesane> hmmm it says EDID maximum witdth is 1600, how can I change that?
[03:04] <Predshowah> there are no ms lovers ;)
[03:04] <^thehatsrule^> yes htere is
[03:04] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, did you try "1792x1344"
[03:05] <^thehatsrule^> i still like ms office :S
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> jsubl2: that won't work
[03:05] <tsume> Predshowah: I seem to recall a anti-firefox article a week ago :)
[03:05] <boredofthesane> jsub12: nope
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> jsubl2: because the monitor has specificed it can't do it
[03:05] <boredofthesane> jsub12: should I try that?
[03:05] <nickrud> Bicchi, unless things have changed recently, that's the only way
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> and therefore isn't a valid mode
[03:05] <foxiness> what repositories can i add to synaptic to can solv depends "sl-modem-modules-new" ?
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: your monitor is not truly capable of that resolution
[03:05] <tsume> Predshowah: all OSS fud, not just MS
[03:05] <Bicchi> nickrud: can you guide me in what to do. i am new with ubuntu.
[03:05] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, HrdwrBoB says it wont work.  what bothers me in  the log is (WW) (1856x1392,S/M 900IFT) mode clock 218.3MHz exceeds DDC maximum 210MHz
[03:05] <tsume> Predshowah: I've converted a long hating OSS person(my boss)
[03:06] <boredofthesane> hdrdwrbob: it worked with another video card
[03:06] <tsume> Predshowah: he changed his mind once I converted his church's computers to ubuntu ;)
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: it may *work*
[03:06] <b0urn3> hmmm....any clues on how to get XMMS working with mp3's?
[03:06] <boredofthesane> hdrdwrbob: and my new video card supports it
[03:06] <tsume> Predshowah: he had to exp the windowsxp unstabiltiy himself ;)
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> however that 'EDID' is your monitor saying that's what it supports
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> your monitor has a finite resolution
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> if you make it higher than that
[03:06] <b0urn3> i know i need to get the codec pack....but i need to know the name of the codec pack to get with apt-get
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> you'll find you can't actually see ay more data
[03:07] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, HrdwrBoB does the video card have a DDC max of 210.
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> I assume this is a 21" monitor
[03:07] <nickrud> Bicchi, this better than anything I could say: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/
[03:07] <gp_aaron> how do you chmod all the sub folders in a folder
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> jsubl2: from that, I would assume yes :)
[03:07] <boredofthesane> I'm, not doubting your knowledge or what you are saying is true, but why suddenly would this happen now when it worked great before?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> because previously it didn't query your monitor about it's capabilities
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> whereas now it is
[03:08] <boredofthesane> bummer
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> you can manually set ranges to override this
[03:08] <boredofthesane> how can i override it?
[03:08] <boredofthesane> great!
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> however it's not purposeful
[03:08] <gp_aaron> nvm
[03:08] <boredofthesane> it was working for months before, i'll take the risk
[03:08] <jsubl2> boredofthesane, were you running 24 bit color with the old card
[03:08] <boredofthesane> jsub12: yes
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: it's not really a risk
[03:08] <transgress> okay now mplayer seems to be playing the dvd... but there is no picture and no sound... but it sees the chapters and whatnot
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: give me am inute to explain
[03:08] <transgress> any tips on what more i might need
[03:08] <boredofthesane> hdwrbob: surely
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> jsubl2: that would make no difference to these issues
[03:09] <jsubl2> HrdwrBoB, did not know if color played in the ddc or not
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: ok basically your monitor has a finite number of hexagonal shaped cells
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't have square pixels
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> the 'recommended resolution' of your monitor is the resolution at which it can display all of the pixels
[03:11] <boredofthesane> I see
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> once you exceed this resolution, you can no longer discretely display all of the pixels
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> and for a 21" monitor, that is 1600x1200
[03:12] <jsubl2> so the old vid card must have had a higher ddc maximum
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> jsubl2: no
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> the reason is because he had previously specified the capabilities of the monitor (which were correct) and the higher resolution is capable of being displayed
[03:13] <jsubl2> ok i c
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> but when the monitor is queried using EDID, it returns actual resolutions it's capable of displaying
[03:14] <boredofthesane> so before when I had the resolution that high I couldn't see all that I supposed to see?  But I could see everything before
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> the maximum oh which is 1600x1200
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: it fudges it so you can see
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> however you will get better display quality at 1600x1200
[03:14] <boredofthesane> ahh
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention I would wager an increas to 1744 would mean a decrea in refresh rate
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> *decrease
[03:14] <boredofthesane> will you be offended if I still wanted to override it?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> you should realistically not settle for less than 85Hz
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> not at all, I'm just explaining this to you and hoping you'll understand
[03:15] <jsubl2> thanks for the explaination HrdwrBoB
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> beleive me I have a 21" CRT and I have used it at 1744
[03:15] <nickrud> me too
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> but now i run them at 1600x1200
[03:15] <boredofthesane> ok, I appreciate your time and effort in your explanation, but I miss my big ass screen, hehehe
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> the decrease in refresh rate and visual quality compared with the relatively small improvement in resolution
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> was not an appropriate tradeoff
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: well, then you can put the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines in the Monitor section of xorg.conf as you would have done with X4 previously
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> and you will be able to use your higher resolution
[03:16] <boredofthesane> hrdwrbob: they weren't listed before
[03:17] <boredofthesane> hrdwrbob: i don't think... darnit I don't have the old config file
[03:17] <jsubl2> same xorg version
[03:18] <boredofthesane> should I just fudge the numbers?
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> do you have a trinitron 21" CRT
[03:18] <boredofthesane> I have a samsung Syncmaster 900IFT
[03:19] <amonkey> when i try to use fstab to automount my extra harddrives (which are on a pci ide controller) it says it can't mount special device, but when i sudo mount -a after it is booted, it works fine. any ideas?
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> that's a 19" CRT
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> and you want more than 1600x1200!?
[03:19] <tyler_> How do I set my root password after the initial install? I never recall the installer prompting for one.
[03:19] <boredofthesane> yeah!
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> you're already over the visible pixel limit
[03:19] <boredofthesane> hehe, it worked before
[03:19] <Epix> tyler_, thats because root ius locked iun ubuntu
[03:19] <synic> what configures the appearance of KDE/QT apps on ubuntu if you don't have KDE installed?
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> that monitor will only display 1280x1024
[03:19] <synic> for instance, the theme in apollon?
[03:20] <tyler_> well, how do I setup root for logins, then?
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: the listed maximum for that monitor in the specs is 1600x1200
[03:20] <boredofthesane>  hrdwrbob: I swear on a stack of bibles that it worked
[03:20] <synic> tyler_: sudo passwd
[03:20] <jsubl2> according to the xorg log the max is - Default mode "1600x1200": 202.5 MHz, 93.8 kHz, 75.0 Hz
[03:20] <boredofthesane> it worked guys!! I'm not lying!!
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> 75hz
[03:20] <tyler_> duh, thanks ;)
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> higher would be less
[03:20] <Epix> tyler_, root is locked in ubuntu, you use sudo to access it. if you want to use root type sudo passwd and enter your user password
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> and look terrible
[03:20] <transgress> woohoo!  i got dvd's to work
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> ugh
[03:20] <boredofthesane> it looked great, i swear!
[03:20] <MuStR> lol
[03:21] <boredofthesane> how do i override this guy?
[03:21] <MuStR> the guy swears on stacks of bibles
[03:21] <nickrud> boredofthesane, some of you guys have good eyesight
[03:21] <boredofthesane> nickrud: I have better than 20 20 :-)
[03:21] <transgress> i got vlc to work
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: it'll still give you headaches
[03:21] <nickrud> boredofthesane, I just got my first pair of glasses :PPPP
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> if you can see well now
[03:22] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, I learned that a long time ago
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> use that monitor 8hrs+/day
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> and you WILL need glasses
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: using that monitor over 1600x1200 is completely pointless.
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> er boredofthesane
[03:22] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, I can't say that bad use of crt's since the mid 80's has nothing to do with my glasses
[03:23] <boredofthesane> yeah?
[03:23] <boredofthesane> oh sorry, its ok, i have insurance :-P
[03:23] <boredofthesane> hehe
[03:23] <boredofthesane> so I just have to guess vertical modes aye?
[03:24] <nickrud> boredofthesane, when you reach 45 you won't look at it the same way, observe good advice
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> you can put in whatever you like
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> but over 1600x1200 is beyond spec
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> and even 1600x1200 is highly not recommended
[03:24] <boredofthesane> to tell you the truth, looking at 1600x1200 hurts my eyes while 1920x1440 did not
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> beleive me I have *been* there, I've had probably 10+ 19/21" monitors in the last five years
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> holy crap
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> 1920x1440?
[03:25] <boredofthesane> yeah
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> good god
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> at what, 60hz?
[03:25] <boredofthesane> lol
[03:25] <boredofthesane> yeah
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> buy a new monitor.
[03:25] <boredofthesane> :-(
[03:25] <boredofthesane> so there's no way huh?
[03:26] <RastaMahata> anything below 75 burns my eyes xD
[03:27] <boredofthesane> oh wow
[03:27] <boredofthesane> i just switched to 1600x1200 75hz and it looks a lot better
[03:27] <nickrud> :)
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> haha yes
[03:28] <transgress> grar
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> it's amazing
[03:28] <boredofthesane> well I guess 1600x1200 isn't so bad then
[03:28] <transgress> it seems that the dvd i tested wasn't encoded
[03:28] <boredofthesane> the windows still seem huge though
[03:28] <transgress> but this other one is all scrambled when vlc tries to play it
[03:28] <transgress> anyone know a way to make vlc see libdvdcss?
[03:29] <terranwannabe> anyone here up for an ALSA question?
[03:29] <nickrud> terranwannabe, ask now, while you can :)
[03:29] <boredofthesane> Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it.  While you're at it, do you mind answering one more question for my hrdwrbob?
[03:29] <boredofthesane> for me*
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> yeah shoto
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> shoot
[03:29] <transgress> or even make totem see the libdvdcss that is in the plugins directory?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> transgress: if you get the libdvdccs2 package
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> it should work
[03:30] <boredofthesane> hdparm fails when I attempt to enable dam on my dvdrw drive
[03:30] <jbm__> I would like to know how to run a gnome session over my network, like vnc only native. Im sure the "n" in gnome stands for networky or something is this possible please?
[03:30] <boredofthesane> dma*
[03:30] <terranwannabe> nickrud - I have a laptop with a built in sound chipset AND a usb audio adapter that goes out to a separate set of speakers. I use the built in chipset to power the built in speakers, and the usb to power the external speakers.
[03:30] <terranwannabe> continuing...\
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: it may be that your chipset is not well supported and dma does not work
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> boredofthesane: what is your motherboard
[03:31] <boredofthesane> hrdwrbob: not sure, its a new hp pavilion
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> jbm__: yes you can do that
[03:31] <terranwannabe> I'd like to have ALSA use the USB audio adapter unless it's unplugged, in which case it would use the laptop chipset.
[03:31] <terranwannabe> however, Ubuntu has it so that it always uses the laptop chipset by default and I can't get it to switch.
[03:31] <jbm__> HrdwrBoB can you point me at a howto please?
[03:31] <boredofthesane> hrdwrbob: leme check 1 sec
[03:31] <terranwannabe> any advice?
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> jbm__: administration->login screen setup
[03:31] <SaMRoX> whatthe best MSN client? (I dont want aMSN or gaim) help!!
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> from there you can allow remote connections to GDM
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> wher eyou can login
[03:31] <SaMRoX> whats the best MSN client? (I dont want aMSN or gaim) help!!
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> SaMRoX: once is enough
[03:32] <SaMRoX> HrdwrBoB, I corrected the spelling mistake
[03:32] <nickrud> terranwannabe, that's _far_ over my head, but there's a couple of people here that probably can tell if you if it's possilble
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> ah, so you did
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> anyway, gaim is generally held to be very good
[03:33] <^vir^> SaMRoX,  gaim is your best bet for webcam support
[03:33] <^vir^> gaim-vv
[03:33] <terranwannabe> someone did it on Ubuntu for me before, but I forgot how and now that I've reinstalled, I need to do it again
[03:33] <terranwannabe> at least it's possible
[03:33] <jbm__> HrdwrBoB I see i can configure remote login there but what is command to login to gdm from foreign terminal? can i just ssh in and then startx?
[03:33] <terranwannabe> all on channel - has anyone been reading my messages and thought of a solution?
[03:33] <boredofthesane> hdrwrbob: is there a system command that will spit it back to me?
[03:34] <nickrud> terranwannabe, that'll teach you about backups and written logs :)
[03:34] <terranwannabe> yeah, I just enabled logging in Xchat. Forgot about it the first time around :;
[03:35] <xMaximex> is it possible to mount ntfs FW?
[03:35] <xMaximex> RW
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> terranwannabe: you can put the module for the usb audio in blacklist
[03:35] <HrdwrBoB> jbm__: no it's a bit more complicated than that
[03:36] <nickrud> terranwannabe, that, on rereading, was a pretty flippant thing to say, and I apologize
[03:36] <boredofthesane> thanks for all your help guys!
[03:36] <boredofthesane> bye!
[03:38] <SaMRoX> do you know why the aMSN sometimes gets "tilt" or it even doesn't opens?
[03:38] <Predshowah> bugs with 2.6
[03:38] <Predshowah> kernel
[03:38] <SaMRoX> any fix?
[03:38] <Cowlike> <font face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size="2">You cannot make NTFS
[03:38] <Cowlike> writable with Linux tools only. There is a driver called captive-ntfs,
[03:38] <Cowlike> which uses the original Windows driver. But NTFS-write access is not
[03:38] <Cowlike> recommended.</font>
[03:39] <Cowlike> sorry, found that on a web page... didn't paste well!
[03:40] <terranwannabe> not a problem, nickrud
[03:40] <terranwannabe> not when I've thought the same thing myself
[03:40] <xMaximex> Is it possible to mount ntfs partition with write permission ??
[03:40] <terranwannabe> but I'm surprised that with 502 people on this channel no one has responded...
[03:40] <terranwannabe> anyone on channel up for an ALSA question?
[03:41] <^vir^> Cowlike, paragon ntfs
[03:41] <Veritas> Should I create a Linux Swap Partition for Ubuntu?
[03:41] <Cowlike> supposedly you can compile write access into the kernel, after which you can use "rw" in the mount command
[03:41] <nickrud> an offtopic question, but I'm new to irc, and I'm wondering why I'm getting port probes from proxyscan.freenode.net
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: they are checking you are not an open proxy
[03:41] <^vir^> http://www.ntfs-linux.com/
[03:41] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> jbm__: ok
[03:41] <kyncani> Veritas: yeah
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> jbm__: as long as you have enabled XDCMP in gdm (in the login screen setup I mentioned before)
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> and allowed remote logins etc
[03:42] <Predshowah> Veritas, downloaded already=
[03:42] <Predshowah> ?
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> what you so is start X with -query server
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> where server is the server running gdm
[03:42] <b0urn3> does anyone know how how to mount an ipod shuffle?
[03:42] <tarvid> new ubuntu user looking for help setting up via mii 10000 system
[03:42] <Cowlike> ntfs writing is always written about wiht disclaimers about how broken it is and how you have a chance to hose your data. (wtih the free solutions anyway)
[03:42] <Veritas> Yes, Pred.
[03:42] <tarvid> dvd playback is choppy
[03:42] <xMaximex> ok
[03:42] <Veritas> I have a DVD iso that has the instal/Boot disc
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> tarvid: do you know if DMA is enabled
[03:43] <tarvid> how would i check that?
[03:43] <Veritas> Vir: I'm not interested in pay $70 for that :P
[03:43] <^vir^> :P
[03:44] <Veritas> How much space do people generally put on swap partitions?
[03:44] <jbm__> HrdwrBob thanks ill look into xdcmp and see how she works!
[03:44] <kyncani> Veritas: about 50-100% ram
[03:44] <nickrud> 2Xphysmem
[03:44] <Veritas> Cool, thanks Kyn.. What exactly is the purpose of a Swap Partition?
[03:44] <terranwannabe> 2xphysmem is a rule only applicable to older or lower-mem computers
[03:44] <kyncani> Veritas: unused memory will go to swap
[03:45] <nickrud> terranwannabe, got me :)
[03:45] <terranwannabe> if you're above 256 or so, 1x or 0.5x physmem is fine
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> tarvid: assuming your DVD is hdc
[03:45] <kyncani> Veritas: that if you have enough ram of course (and you should)
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> tarvid: sudo hdparm /dev/hdc
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> to enable DMA hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:45] <tarvid> /dev/hda:
[03:45] <tarvid>  multcount    =  0 (off)
[03:45] <tarvid>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[03:45] <tarvid>  unmaskirq    =  1 (on)
[03:45] <tarvid>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[03:45] <tarvid>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[03:46] <tarvid>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[03:46] <tarvid>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[03:46] <tarvid>  geometry     = 58168/16/63, sectors = 30020272128, start = 0
[03:46] <Veritas> I have 512 megs of high quality Corsiar... And a 60 gig HD (I gave my Linux partion 10 gigs, so I assume another 512 from my windows partition will be succifient)
[03:46] <fightingfortofu> i dont understand why im getting this error when i sudo apt-get install java-package fakeroot
[03:46] <nickrud> tarvid, pasting here like that is not advisable :)
[03:46] <fightingfortofu> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:46] <fightingfortofu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:46] <terranwannabe> do you have synaptic open, fightingfortofu?
[03:46] <fightingfortofu> yes :(
[03:46] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, you either have synaptic open somewhere, or killed something
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> tarvid: ok that looks good
[03:47] <terranwannabe> that's the problem
[03:47] <fightingfortofu> it works now!! thank you
[03:47] <tarvid> HrdwrBoB, the through put looks low 10.83 MB/Sec, I would expect 30
[03:48] <hybrid> hello all
[03:48] <terranwannabe> hello
[03:48] <Veritas> Ahoy.
[03:49] <hybrid> hey nomasteryoda!!!!!!
[03:50] <hybrid> long time no see
[03:51] <terranwannabe> seriously, does anyone know anything about ALSA?
[03:52] <hybrid> terrawannabe: i know it sux
[03:52] <hybrid> esd is better
[03:52] <gfoxiness> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=117356&postcount=34 , on this page to model for smart link i need it to get my modem work but the i can not access the url on "http://apqi.com/ubuntu/sl-modem-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.9.9a-1ubuntu2+2.6.10-34_i386.deb" and "http://apqi.com/ubuntu/sl-modem-daemon_2.9.9a-1ubuntu2_i386.deb" to download it any help please
[03:52] <tarvid> i am a turkey, dma is off on the dvd drive, how would i turn it on?
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> tarvid: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/device
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[03:53] <tarvid> is that permanent?
[03:54] <nickrud> tarvid, take a look at /etc/hdparm.conf, you can make it permanent there
[03:57] <gfoxiness> http://apqi.com/ubuntu/sl-modem-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.9.9a-1ubuntu2+2.6.10-34_i386.deb , can any one send this to my e-mail please
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> hey hybrid
[03:58] <FeJaOr> a question in here....
[03:58] <nomasteryoda> i am still using ubuntu
[03:58] <FeJaOr>  I dont know what's going on with my desktop but this is the second time this happened
[03:58] <hybrid> wow
[03:58] <FeJaOr> I don't have any program in there where Im supposed to have Computer, Trash, etc....
[03:58] <FeJaOr> and this happened without doing anything in special
[03:59] <FeJaOr> and I right click over the desktop and nothing happens
[03:59] <FeJaOr> whats up with that???
[03:59] <Cowlike> did you just reboot after doing a system upgrade?
[04:00] <Veritas> When burning the Ubuntu DVD with Nero should I burn with DVD-ROM (iso) or DVD-ROM (boot) ?
[04:00] <Veritas> There is no image with the download, the files were already extracted it seems.
[04:00] <CarlK> l-fy: but is wrong to not have /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf
[04:00] <CarlK> hoary dosn't
[04:01] <CarlK> anyone know if it should/shouldn't why it isn't?
[04:01] <FeJaOr> Cowlike, are you asking me?
[04:01] <Veritas> Can someone please help me? :x
[04:01] <FeJaOr> Cowlike, I didn't do any upgrade...........
[04:02] <gunny> Veritas where did you get that download?
[04:02] <FeJaOr> I dunno.......I didn't installed anything new
[04:02] <FeJaOr> and I've restarted like 2 or 3 times
[04:03] <hybrid> if i downgrade will i lose anything besides newest packages?
[04:03] <FeJaOr> Cowlike, I mean, when I first start ubuntu everything's normal...but after a while, this happens.....and had happened 2 times
[04:05] <KingArthur> question, what do I have to kill in order to get sounds to work on games?  Someone told me, and I forgot to write it down, and I'd like some sound to my games.  lol.  I'll write it down this time, promise ;-)
[04:05] <dcraven> FeJaOr: Sounds like nautilus died. You can restart it and see what happens.
[04:05] <gunny> kingarthur:esd
[04:06] <KingArthur> so, gunny, it is killall esd ?
[04:06] <FeJaOr> dcraven, I click on the logout option and there's nothing showing up
[04:06] <FeJaOr> :S
[04:07] <gunny> KA: yes
[04:07] <dcraven> FeJaOr: can you open a terminal?
[04:07] <KingArthur> awesome.  thanks bunches.
[04:07] <gunny> de nachos
[04:07] <FeJaOr> dcraven, yes
[04:07] <dcraven> FeJaOr: GNOME right?
[04:07] <FeJaOr> dcraven, yes
[04:07] <dcraven> FeJaOr: type "nautilus&" in a terminal and see what happens.
[04:08] <FeJaOr> dcraven, [1]  10334
[04:08] <dcraven> FeJaOr: that's it? hehe
[04:08] <FeJaOr> yeap
[04:09] <FeJaOr> dcraven, and with sudo....it shows this
[04:09] <aka_daemon> hi
[04:09] <dcraven> FeJaOr: can your right-click on the desktop now?
[04:09] <FeJaOr> dcraven, [1]  10370
[04:09] <aka_daemon> does anyone know whether irc requires the auth port to be open?
[04:09] <FeJaOr> dcraven, noup but the folder root just popedup
[04:09] <brenton> anyone here have openoffice base (2.0 beta)?
[04:09] <DeadDrunk> hmm...
[04:09] <Veritas> There is no image with the download, the files were already extracted it seems.
[04:09] <dcraven> FeJaOr: you can stop running it now.. You've probably got plenty of nautilus sessions running now.. lol
[04:09] <Veritas> When burning the Ubuntu DVD with Nero should I burn with DVD-ROM (iso) or DVD-ROM (boot) ?
[04:09] <FeJaOr> dcraven, I opened the Desktop folder but nothing's there
[04:10] <FeJaOr> dcraven, i better reboot
[04:10] <dcraven> FeJaOr: That folder is empty in a new install.
[04:10] <Veritas> Someone. Please. I want to get this burned
[04:10] <DeadDrunk> i am trying to load ubuntu on a a64 laptop... when i get to the file zlib1g during the install base system portion i get a return value 1 error
[04:11] <jubei> how can I make my udev rule execute on startup?
[04:11] <gunny> got kicked Veritas, did you answer my question?
[04:12] <dcraven> Veritas: The DVD download is not an ISO?
[04:12] <gunny> that's what I'm wondering, where did it comefrom?
[04:12] <dcraven> DeadDrunk: did you check the md5sum of that image you burned?
[04:12] <SpookyET> hi
[04:12] <SpookyET> to whom should /boot/grub/menu.lst belong? it belongs to root, yet I always have to type configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst at boot
[04:13] <SpookyET> it does not do it automatically
[04:13] <SpookyET> hidemenu is commented out
[04:13] <dcraven> SpookyET: yeah it's root's... rw-r--r--
[04:13] <SpookyET> it's roots
[04:13] <SpookyET> but why does not it load it by default?
[04:14] <Predius> =(
[04:14] <Predius> Breezy is still buggy as hell.
[04:14] <mvelasco2> hi, I want to setup an email server...anybody have any good links on this?
[04:14] <nickrud> 'just how buggy is it'
[04:14] <gunny> as hell apparantly
[04:14] <dcraven> SpookyET: I've never heard of this "configfile" thing.. SOrry.
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Predius: hah, well it's still early days
[04:14] <Predius> I can't get my email from fetchmail
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Predius: nothing on hoary is really out of date anyway
[04:14] <RastaMahata> mvelasco2, have you made a search for "linux mail server" in google?
[04:14] <Predius> my boot is FULL of errors
[04:15] <rillian> yay, the live cd worked. is there an easy way to do an install from there, or should I just download the install image?
[04:15] <FeJaOr> does anybody know how to mount a NTFS partition in order to get it in the desktop as an mountable/unmountable device such as the CD roms??
[04:15] <dcraven> Predius: no doubt you were warned ;P
[04:15] <mvelasco2> RastaMahata: I was looking for something more specific to ubuntu
[04:15] <SpookyET> configfile loads the grub config file
[04:15] <abarbaccia> hey guys - anybody here use beagle and know if it supports thunderbird email yet?
[04:15] <SpookyET> the menu
[04:15] <dcraven> rillian: you should get the install disk.
[04:15] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, if you mount them in fstab, im quite sure you can unmount them with a right click
[04:15] <ryman> hello, I installed nmap but when I open it it say i'm not root so some options aren't available. how do I log in at root ?
[04:16] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, fstab?? what or wheres that?
[04:16] <nickrud> ryman, sudo nmap
[04:16] <aka_daemon> ryman: sudo nmap
[04:16] <RastaMahata> mvelasco2, ubuntu is based in debian, and when installing sarge, there's an option to say "I want a mail server" :P
[04:16] <ryman> nickrud|   , aka_daemon  thanks
[04:16] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, look in the forums www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:16] <aka_daemon> disconnect
[04:16] <mvelasco2> RastaMahata: OK, thanks
[04:16] <RastaMahata> www.ubuntuguide.org has some tips for it too
[04:16] <rillian> dcraven: gar. thanks.
[04:16] <Veritas> dcraven: No, it's not an ISO
[04:16] <Veritas> it's straight files
[04:17] <gunny> Veritas: I wouldn't trust that or install it
[04:17] <dcraven> Veritas: I'd guess that the iso option in Nero would be the incorrect choice then?
[04:17] <dcraven> Veritas: I'm with gunny.
[04:17] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, for example, this is my line to mount my Windows partition in Ubuntu:
[04:18] <RastaMahata> /dev/hda1       /media/Windows    ntfs    auto,user,exec,umask=0222     0      0
[04:18] <jubei> I still cant get my mouse to go 800cpi on startup. I have to unpug it and plug it back in to get it to work. Can anyone help?
[04:18] <Predius> The download I linked you was an ISO.
[04:18] <KingArthur> ok, Horay claims to work on 24MB of ram, but when I try to install it on my system with 32MB of Ram, it won't finish installing.  It always stops at the part where it is loading the module for my NiC firmwware
[04:18] <Veritas> Gunny: It's from the official ubuntu website
[04:18] <gunny> Veritas: Ubuntu is distributed in ISO format
[04:18] <gunny> Veritas, do you happen to have winrar on your pc?
[04:19] <hams> for iptables, what ports do i have to open for NFS?
[04:19] <Veritas> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/dvd/current/
[04:19] <KingArthur> it just keeps trying and trying to load the module, stops loading it, then trys again.
[04:19] <RastaMahata> gunny, apt-get install rar unrar
[04:19] <Veritas> That's where I got it from
[04:19] <Veritas> YEs, Gunny
[04:19] <nickrud> KingArthur, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2376.html
[04:19] <Veritas> I extracted it with WinRAR
[04:19] <Predius> ...
[04:19] <Predius> Don't.
[04:19] <RastaMahata> oh, windows
[04:19] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, let me take a look on my lines
[04:19] <Predius> Use the ISO.
[04:19] <gunny> veritas: there is your problem
[04:19] <Predius> And burn it as an image on Nero.
[04:19] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, ok
[04:19] <gunny> veritas: just open nero, nad chose burn image, then chose the iso
[04:20] <Veritas> Oh.
[04:20] <Veritas> Oops.
[04:20] <nickrud> lol
[04:20] <Veritas> Thanks :P
[04:20] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[04:21] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, and with that line it mounts in the way Im telling you??
[04:21] <nickrud> FeJaOr, no offense, but you really need to start reading some documentation yourself
[04:21] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, yeah, that's the way I got them mounted.....the ubuntuguide way....
[04:22] <RastaMahata> well, have you tried to right click on the hard drive in the computer window, and then click on unmount?
[04:22] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, but somehow, the last time I started ubuntu, they just appear in my desktop and that was the way I like them to be....but I restart my computer and they were gone :(
[04:23] <RastaMahata> oh
[04:23] <RastaMahata> I see
[04:23] <RastaMahata> ok, then do this
[04:23] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, I don't have them on the computer menu either
[04:23] <RastaMahata> see where it says umask=0222?
[04:23] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, and that's where I want them to be too
[04:23] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, yess
[04:23] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, see where it says umask=0222?
[04:24] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, replace for "auto,user,exec,umask=0222"
[04:24] <RastaMahata> without the "
[04:24] <FeJaOr> sure
[04:24] <FeJaOr> done
[04:25] <RastaMahata> now mount -a
[04:25] <RastaMahata> sudo mount -a
[04:25] <FeJaOr> ok
[04:25] <FeJaOr> perfect
[04:25] <RastaMahata> now, if you see them in the computer, reboot and cross your fingers
[04:25] <Predius> Haha, I rock.
[04:25] <RastaMahata> ;)
[04:25] <FeJaOr> they're in the computer screen
[04:25] <Predius> I fixed the fetchmail.
[04:26] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, are they, hopefully, gonna be in the desktop as well after I reboot??
[04:26] <Predius> The mailing list scares me.
[04:26] <RastaMahata> yes
[04:26] <RastaMahata> hopefully ;)
[04:26] <FeJaOr> ok
[04:26] <Predius> I had to unsubscribe because the amount of mail I got was to much.
[04:26] <RastaMahata> reboot and good luck
[04:26] <FeJaOr> I will restart then and let you now
[04:26] <FeJaOr> thanks
[04:26] <RastaMahata> no problemo
[04:27] <nickrud> So, what was needed to fix fetchmail :)
[04:27] <Predius> I just downgraed, =D
[04:27] <dcraven> Predius: sort the mail with procmail and it will seem more manageable :)
[04:27] <Predius> I do.
[04:27] <nickrud> pool is good :)
[04:27] <Predius> It's still too much.
[04:27] <dcraven> Predius: Nevermind then.
[04:27] <Predius> My connection is 128k.
[04:28] <Predius> If I get 40+ mails every time I download, It takes a while.
[04:28] <dcraven> Predius: Ahh I see.
[04:28] <dcraven> Predius: I gotta say I love my mail server.
[04:28] <Predius> haha.
[04:28] <Predius> Do you have a domain name'
[04:28] <Predius> ?
[04:28] <nickrud> considering I lived at a 3k pipe for a year, I have no sympathy
[04:28] <dcraven> Predius: Just dyndns.
[04:28] <Predius> Ah,
[04:29] <Predius> 3k?
[04:29] <Predius> As in 3000 or 3k?
[04:29] <Predius> How did you survive?
[04:29] <nickrud> as in 3.3kiilobits
[04:29] <Predius> How did you survive?
[04:29] <nickrud> well, my debian system did suffer a bit of bitrot
[04:30] <Predius> why did you have to go on 3.3k?
[04:30] <nickrud> maillists, overnight :)
[04:30] <fightingfortofu> how do you run java.jar files in llinux? i should have java installed, java file.jar brings Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: NeurosDBM/1/48/jar
[04:30] <nickrud> I lived in a rural area, with 40 year old wires
[04:30] <Predius> javac
[04:30] <Predius> Ah.
[04:30] <hyphenated> fightingfortofu: java -jar blah.jar
[04:30] <Predius> yeah, follow what hyphenated said.
[04:30] <Predius> ;P
[04:31] <fightingfortofu> excellent! thanks!
[04:31] <nickrud> 212k now, and I am happy
[04:31] <hyphenated> if that doesn't work, it wasn't packaged as an executable .jar file, or it depends on other .jar files being in your CLASSPATH
[04:31] <Predius> Moved?
[04:31] <hyphenated> (in which case, you usually want a wrapper script to set that and execute the java program correctly)
[04:31] <nickrud> how else? You think the phone company would help?
[04:31] <nickrud> lol
[04:32] <Predius> Where'd you live=
[04:32] <Predius> ?
[04:32] <nickrud> outside santa maria, california
[04:32] <Predius> Ah.
[04:32] <Predius> Don't you have better choices?
[04:32] <Predius> I mean, I have no more than 128k for this price.
[04:32] <nickrud> I had to have the phone co come install a filter so I didn't get radio over the voice part of the line :)
[04:33] <Predius> I can get to 600k at about 300 dollars.
[04:33] <nickrud> and that is no hyperboly
[04:33] <hybrid> how do i downgrade back to hoary?
[04:33] <nickrud> lol
[04:33] <Jogariga> how can i update firefox?
[04:34] <Predius> you don't
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> LOLROTF
[04:34] <nickrud> reinstall
[04:34] <Predius> Yeah.
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> yup, reinstall
[04:34] <Predius> or remove packages
[04:34] <Mahl> running ubuntu on a 3ghz 512 MB ram...200 gb hdd, 21 inch monitor, Nvidia fx 5700 and a 10 MB line
[04:34] <Predius> and change apt
[04:34] <Mahl> works great
[04:34] <hybrid> how do i remove packages
[04:34] <Predius> apt-get remove <kkk>
[04:34] <] BreliC[> this may seem like a silly question, but is there a command line function that will return my external IP?  I want to determine the external IP, not the internal one, as given to me by 'ifconfig'
[04:34] <bob2> you can't
[04:34] <Predius> www.whereismyip.com ?
[04:34] <nickrud> hybrid, if you're serious, change your sources, and work your way through the dependencies with aptitude
[04:34] <Mahl> http://www.whatismyip.com
[04:35] <bob2> you need to ask ano external machine, like www.whatismyip.com
[04:35] <Predius> Damnit.
[04:35] <Lydon> ipchicken.com
[04:35] <bob2> you could write a simple script to extract it from there
[04:35] <Predius> lawl hack me plz
[04:35] <Predius> 127.0.0.1
[04:35] <hams> anyone know what ports to open for NFS?
[04:35] <] BreliC[> ok, thanks everyone, i'll check it out
[04:35] <hybrid> well i have been with out a gui and i decided to d/g but nooooooo
[04:35] <hybrid> grrr
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> ] BreliC[, you can just dns yourself using mirc commands!
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> or your own whois
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> w/e
[04:36] <bob2> hams: you can't really firewall a machine using nfs
[04:36] <nickrud> grc.com gives back your isp, if you're lazy
[04:36] <hams> bob2, why not?
[04:36] <hybrid> well bbl
[04:36] <nickrud> s/isp/ip
[04:36] <^thehatsrule^> ] BreliC[, your ip is 70.25.37.142 ...
[04:36] <bob2> hams: because the portmapper picks random ports
[04:37] <hams> bob2, totally random? there's no ranges?
[04:37] <] BreliC[> thanks ^thehatsrule^ :)  I guess what I wanted to do was more along the lines of what bob2 was suggesting.  When and if my ip changes (which it does on occasion, but not as often as other dynip providers), I want cron to email/sms me the new IP
[04:38] <^thehatsrule^> ah yes, i use rogers myself
[04:38] <] BreliC[> thought maybe there was a command i could use and pipe it to email, but a script based on whereismyip.com sounds about right
[04:38] <^thehatsrule^> changes every 1/2 year or so
[04:38] <bob2> hams: you can set the range
[04:38] <] BreliC[> exactly :)
[04:38] <bob2> hams: not sure where tho, I'd imagine /etc/default/portmap or so
[04:38] <steven_> as a newbie is there anyone who can giveme hand
[04:39] <Predius> argh
[04:39] <Predius> why are so many people joining and leaving?
[04:39] <Jogariga> how do i know the name of the package firefox?
[04:39] <Predius> mozilla-firefox
[04:39] <nickrud> Jogariga, apt-cache search firefox
[04:39] <Predius> what, steven_?
[04:39] <^thehatsrule^> ] BreliC[, you can use an irc script :P
[04:40] <steven_> i set up the system as a dual boot Predius but how do I switch back to windows
[04:40] <Predius> reboot?
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> use the grub
[04:40] <Jogariga> how can i install firefox 1.0.3? Using apt-get i get 1.0.2
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> or, if somehow it dont work, change the boot sequence in your bios
[04:40] <gbhat> anyone using both GNOME and KDE with Hoary?
[04:40] <^thehatsrule^> Jogariga, maybe change to testing?
[04:41] <FeJaOr> I didn't work :(
[04:41] <Predius> Jogariga, there should be a red blob on the top left of firefox
[04:41] <gbhat> I have got a mishmash of either apps in the menus. How do I change that in GNOME?
[04:41] <steven_> is the grub automatically installed
[04:41] <Predius> click on it.
[04:41] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, it didn't worked....
[04:41] <] BreliC[> ^thehatsrule^, how?  and run it through something like epic?
[04:41] <^thehatsrule^> dunno... heh, just a suggestion :P
[04:41] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, they are mounted in computer but not mounted in the desktop
[04:41] <] BreliC[> hehe
[04:41] <Quinn_Storm> gbhat: the way it works in debian-based systems is that all the X11 apps get menu entries in all the X environments (gnome, xfce, kde, etc.)
[04:41] <nickrud> Jogariga, 1.0.2 is the latest version available to ubuntu
[04:42] <^thehatsrule^> i personally dont need it... as everywere says your ip
[04:42] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, plus I got some other device "mounted" called usb0 which I dunno what that is
[04:42] <] BreliC[> ^thehatsrule^, yes, but not when you're not at home and it changes
[04:42] <gbhat> Quinn_Storm, not apparently in my system. the entries from the other desktops are selective
[04:42] <^thehatsrule^> hmm
[04:42] <RastaMahata> w0rd :)
[04:42] <nickrud> gbhat, do you have the package menu installed?
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> gbhat: yeah it doesn't contain 100% of everything b/c the .desktop files can contain "show-in" type entries that say only show in kde or gnome or whatever
[04:43] <gbhat> nickrud, package menu?
[04:43] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, at least they get mounted on boot :S
[04:43] <Quinn_Storm> gbhat: its all part of the debian menu system & the freedesktop.org stuff
[04:43] <IIIEars> Fejar - If you have a Western Digital drive it could be a "Data Rescue" partition copy of the part table.
[04:43] <nickrud> gbhat, yeah, that's debian's catchall menu program
[04:43] <ryman> hmm my keyboard didn't respond after I install the upgrade of OpenOffice . I had to restart
[04:43] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, they were getting mounted on boot though....but I liked that they are now mounted on the computer :D
[04:43] <^thehatsrule^> ] BreliC[ do you have a direct connection to the internet with 1 computer?
[04:43] <FeJaOr> IIIEars, I don't have western digital :S
[04:43] <gbhat> nickrud, what is the name again?
[04:43] <] BreliC[> ^thehatsrule^, nope, both behind the router
[04:44] <^thehatsrule^> ah thats why...
[04:44] <gbhat> package-menu?
[04:44] <^thehatsrule^> mine has 1 as a main server
[04:44] <nickrud> it's part of 'policy' that programs create a file that menu can read and create an entry in any window manager
[04:44] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, but is there anyway to do wath I wanted??
[04:44] <nickrud> apt-get install menu
[04:44] <RastaMahata> get them in places? Not that I know of, and I think gnome wasnt designed for that
[04:44] <dracflamloc> hm
[04:44] <etzerd> Hello room I need some help
[04:44] <gbhat> lol
[04:44] <dracflamloc> anjuta just decided to start crashing every time i start it
[04:45] <dracflamloc> anyone ever have that happen?
[04:45] <sproingie> etzerd: just ask
[04:45] <gbhat> so how do I invoke it nickrud?
[04:45] <Lydon> I was looking at some screen shots the other day and saw an RSS Reader that displayed the text on top of the desktop wallpaper, anyone know what it was?
[04:45] <hybrid> sigh
[04:45] <RastaMahata> dracflamloc, I hate it when programs get their period
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> Lydon: probably something like gdesklets or karamba/superkaramba
[04:45] <gbhat> bash: menu: command not found
[04:45] <IIIEars> etzred - no need to ask if you can ask - linux questions are what we are here for. :)
[04:45] <etzerd> I went to Ubuntuguide.org and I copy the link that install RealPlayer 10 then I have this error message "Connecting to myosc.org[70.84.56.4] :80... connected.
[04:45] <etzerd> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[04:45] <etzerd> 22:43:10 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[04:45] <etzerd> "
[04:45] <nickrud> gbhat, just what are you doing, that'll shorten this (I hope :)
[04:45] <digitalfox> does Ubuntu use a modified Clearlooks engine?
[04:45] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, Is like the same as you insert a cd
[04:46] <gbhat> I wanted to remove KDE entries from GNOME menu
[04:46] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, yeah, when you insert a cd, it gets mounted. hehe
[04:46] <sproingie> etzerd: looks like a problem with myosc.org
[04:46] <etzerd> Well I don't know
[04:46] <dracflamloc> i tried removing and reinstalling but no luck
[04:46] <nickrud> gbhat, that is not at all what I expected :0
[04:46] <dracflamloc> tried deleting the .anjuta directory too
[04:46] <RastaMahata> look, there was a command, I dont know now, look in the forums, that was a workaround to this... and that command made the hard drives shown in places
[04:47] <gbhat> lmfao! yeah now I have a cute little Debian menu added :)
[04:47] <nickrud> I haven't a clue, other than removing the kde programs
[04:47] <Lydon> ah... thanks Quin_Storm
[04:47] <RastaMahata> im going to bed now, So i cant help you...
[04:47] <etzerd> It seems like the repositories files is not working
[04:47] <IIIEars> kb3 gave me a little excitement - spit out the disk and continued working on an empty drive - lol - the disk worked tho - grin
[04:47] <gbhat> how can GNOME not ahve a menu-editor is beyond me
[04:47] <dracflamloc> lol
[04:47] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, and it gets displayed in the desktop....how come those partitions cant??
[04:47] <dracflamloc> gbhat i know
[04:47] <Predius> 'Cause Fluxbox is better, gbhat. =D
[04:47] <nickrud> gbhat, they had one, they thought it wasn't good enough, so they dropped it
[04:47] <nickrud> google gnome-menu-editor
[04:48] <RastaMahata> cause they're partitions, not "media" ;)
[04:48] <gbhat> alright another question, whenever I log into Hoary, I have to go to Volume COntrol and uncheck the box for "switches->IEC598 Capture Monitor" to get sound to work. How can I make this change permanent?
[04:48] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, well...thats weird cause as I told you, that justa happened
[04:48] <RastaMahata> you connect an usb drive, its media. you insert a cd, it media...
[04:48] <FeJaOr> but Im happy with what I got :)
[04:48] <IIIEars> kb3 - made a coaster before changing to "Joliet" from linux's "rockRidge" extension - windows hates RockRidge - in fact windows hates rock anything especially rock stable rock steady etc.
[04:49] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, yeah, it used to happen to me too
[04:49] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, but im happy with this, it feels more "pro" ;)
[04:49] <RastaMahata> more mac alike too! xD
[04:49] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, weeiiiirrrdd.......hey let me ask you 2 more questions....how come I get two messages on boot that my HP PSC 1210 is configured??
[04:50] <Veritas> My Ubuntu swap partition came out named SWAPSPACE2, is that regular?
[04:50] <RastaMahata> is it a laptop?
[04:50] <IIIEars> "PSC 1210"?
[04:50] <Veritas> Yes
[04:50] <Veritas> It's a Laptop
[04:50] <Predius> Are you on Linux now?
[04:50] <Veritas> No
[04:50] <Veritas> I'm on my PC
[04:50] <] BreliC[> ^thehatsrule^, well, i wrote a little script that works, but very crude at the moment... guess I"ll keep plugging away at it
[04:50] <FeJaOr> yeap
[04:50] <^thehatsrule^> heh at least it works :P
[04:50] <gbhat> HP PSC 1210 works like a champ with Linux. ONly shame is it cannot be used as a network printer.
[04:50] <IIIEars> Ugh- Windows = Install, Connect, reinstall, repeat.
[04:51] <RastaMahata> well.. there oyu go
[04:51] <gbhat> alright another question, whenever I log into Hoary, I have to go to Volume COntrol and uncheck the box for "switches->IEC598 Capture Monitor" to get sound to work. How can I make this change permanent?
[04:51] <FeJaOr> its working fine for me but just wondering why in boot is "mounting" it twice??
[04:51] <RastaMahata> as far as I have read, Ubuntu has some configuration files/scripts for laptops... ;) so dont worry :D
[04:51] <nickrud> hey, don't badmouth the psc1210, it only takes 5 minutes per page
[04:51] <Veritas> So it is regular with a laptop
[04:51] <Veritas> To have SWAPSPACE2
[04:52] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, what port do you use to connect it?
[04:52] <gbhat> nickrud, atleast it aint a piece of junk like the Lexmarks that have little or no Linux support
[04:52] <RastaMahata> Veritas, sudo fdisk -l
[04:52] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, usb port
[04:52] <gbhat> nickrud, can you help me with my sound problem?
[04:52] <Lydon> yeah, it's a bia getting a lexmark to work in Linux
[04:52] <w00tw00t> if I want to run a command at startup where would I put it?
[04:52] <nickrud> gbhat, I've had one of those too. I used it as a copier
[04:52] <nickrud> gbhat, maybe
[04:52] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, well, thats it, I bet it appears after hotplug
[04:53] <gbhat> alright nickrud , whenever I log into Hoary, I have to go to Volume COntrol and uncheck the box for "switches->IEC598 Capture Monitor" to get sound to work. How can I make this change permanent?
[04:53] <FeJaOr> it is working though....i think so :S
[04:53] <FeJaOr> jajajjaa
[04:53] <RastaMahata> si hablas espaol, esto hubiese sido un poco mas facil quizas xD
[04:53] <w00tw00t> if I want to run a command at startup where would I put it?
[04:53] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, si claro...mucho mas facil
[04:54] <nickrud> gbhat, why ask me a simple one :)
[04:54] <gbhat> w00tw00t, you using GNOME?
[04:54] <RastaMahata> at what startup? boot? gnome?
[04:54] <w00tw00t> startup
[04:54] <RastaMahata> FeJaOr, suerte con tu instalacion de Ubuntu. Nos vemos.
[04:54] <gbhat> if using GNOME, System->Prefernces->Sessions
[04:54] <FeJaOr> RastaMahata, hasta luego y gracias
[04:54] <RastaMahata> Good night channel!
[04:55] <nickrud> gbhat, last I heard, aumix successfully saved all alsa settings for reboot YMMV
[04:55] <gbhat> nickrud, while logging off I see a message that says aumix will not touch the settings
[04:55] <w00tw00t> thanks
[04:55] <w00tw00t> I will see if that is what I want
[04:55] <w00tw00t> :-D
[04:57] <Janux> how do i change my desktop manager from Gnome to Fluxbox?
[04:57] <ubuntu_> 5/1
[04:58] <ubuntu_> mmmm
[04:58] <ubuntu_> hola
[04:58] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[04:58] <ubuntu_> las X no jalan en el portatil
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:58] <ubuntu_> alguien tiene idea de que hacer
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> english please
[04:58] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:58] <ubuntu_> sorry
[04:58] <ubuntu_> the system X no run in notebook
[04:59] <ubuntu_> Dell inspiron
[04:59] <ubuntu_> T video= extreme grahics intel 2
[04:59] <nickrud> gbhat, I have no answer ;(
[04:59] <ubuntu_> the screen is in black
[04:59] <IIIEars> did you tweak the framebuffer setting?
[04:59] <dracflamloc> hm
[04:59] <Janux> how do i change my desktop manager from Gnome to Fluxbox?
[04:59] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:59] <ubuntu_> xD
[05:00] <ubuntu_> thanks
[05:00] <gbhat> darn!! the creator of PhOS just quit :(
[05:00] <IIIEars> laptops don't treat the display the same way they treat a CRT
[05:00] <ubuntu_> probare con frame buffer
[05:00] <nickrud> gbhat, you might point this to hrdwrbob
[05:00] <Balistic22> can i get some help
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[05:00] <Balistic22> i cant get my soudn to work on ubuntu
[05:00] <gbhat> point what to HrdwrBoB ?
[05:01] <IIIEars> << (Confirmed Linux user 120 hours)
[05:01] <hybrid> i cant get my gui to work
[05:01] <Balistic22> I need some sound help =)
[05:01] <nickrud> your sound question :)
[05:01] <gbhat> ahhh
[05:01] <Balistic22> i cant get the sound to work
[05:01] <gbhat> alright nickrud , whenever I log into Hoary, I have to go to Volume COntrol and uncheck the box for "switches->IEC598 Capture Monitor" to get sound to work. How can I make this change permanent?
[05:01] <IIIEars> running a live CD from RAm - lol fresh outta RAM - brb
[05:01] <Predius> Janux, you download it.
[05:01] <gbhat> heh fogot to change name :D
[05:01] <Predius> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[05:01] <Predius> then logout.
[05:02] <Predius> And click on Session.
[05:02] <Balistic22> =(
[05:02] <Balistic22> i could use some help
[05:02] <gbhat> HrdwrBoB,  whenever I log into Hoary, I have to go to Volume COntrol and uncheck the box for "switches->IEC598 Capture Monitor" to get sound to work. How can I make this change permanent?
[05:02] <gbhat> ask your q Balistic22
[05:02] <Janux> Predius: yes I did, then?
[05:02] <nickrud> gbhat, yeah, that's the question. He's picked up for me more than once, he's probably used to it :)\
[05:02] <Janux> Predius: okay
[05:02] <Predius> logout and click on session
[05:02] <Janux> o..have to logout..ic ic....okay...
[05:02] <fightingfortofu> whats recommended for converting avi to mpeg and authoring vcds?
[05:02] <Balistic22> im running ubuntu on a Dell Optiplex Gx 1 and i just finished installing ubuntu and im wondering what i have to do
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> gbhat: hrm.. I'm not 100% sure
[05:03] <gbhat> Balistic22, sound no worky?
[05:03] <Balistic22> yeah
[05:03] <Balistic22> doesnt work
[05:03] <Taggz> Can someone tell me how to install my display drivers I just downloaded from nvidia.com and put into my home folder?
[05:03] <gbhat> what sound card you got Balistic22 ?
[05:03] <Balistic22> i think its a crystal semiconductor
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> Taggz: you don't want to do that
[05:03] <gbhat> Taggz, why not just apt-get install nvidia-glx?
[05:04] <Taggz> er.. ok, how can I do the apt-get install thingy
[05:04] <Balistic22> so..?
[05:04] <Balistic22> what should i do
[05:04] <gbhat> open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:04] <nickrud> Balistic22, how about doing 'lspci', and something there will tell you the exact sound card, which will help us
[05:04] <drcode> hi al
[05:04] <drcode> hi all
[05:05] <drcode> I Have navida 2 , some boot the linux load with 640x480 and some time it load with 1024x680
[05:05] <drcode> any idea why?
[05:05] <w00tw00t> I was asking about running something at boot, I need to do it before X starts
[05:05] <nickrud> Balistic22, did that make any sense to you
[05:05] <Balistic22> nickrud: i dont see anything that is related to sound there
[05:06] <Balistic22> yes it does
[05:06] <Taggz> " open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" ok that worked and did stuff, how can I tell it installed the right drivers? Or does it do it auto?
[05:06] <Predius> auto
[05:06] <^thehatsrule^> ] BreliC[ i just found an idea, your dns is always the same eh? so you could just do a dns lookup
[05:06] <gbhat> Taggz, just log out and log in again
[05:07] <drcode> thanx
[05:07] <drcode> I Will try it
[05:07] <w00tw00t> how do I run a command at startup?
[05:07] <gbhat> w00tw00t, what command do you want to run?
[05:07] <gbhat> and do you mean a service?
[05:08] <w00tw00t> it is a resolution patch
[05:08] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:08] <w00tw00t> I am trying to get a widescreen monitor working
[05:08] <fightingfortofu> system, preferences, sessions will allow you to set a command on startup i thnk, w00tw00t
[05:08] <gbhat> ummm... is it a one time patch or what?
[05:08] <w00tw00t> yeah
[05:08] <gbhat> Taggz, did it work? did you see the NVidia splash screen?
[05:09] <Taggz> nope :(
[05:09] <drcode> where I Can see what is the right driver it installed?
[05:09] <w00tw00t> supposed to run at boot
[05:09] <Taggz> and I cant set my rez any higher either
[05:09] <w00tw00t> I can run the patch and restart X and it works
[05:09] <w00tw00t> but I don't want to type it in everytime I boot
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> drcode, make sure you see it using
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> lsmod
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> lsmod | grep nvidia
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> it should be loaded
[05:10] <gbhat>  look at the post by yusufk for widescreen solution http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26284&page=2
[05:10] <drcode> k
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> if not, sudo modprobe nvidia
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> or similar
[05:10] <w00tw00t> thanks
[05:10] <drcode> k
[05:10] <drcode> let me check
[05:11] <drcode> it load as module?
[05:11] <Taggz> hmm I dont have a widescreen though...
[05:11] <Predius> brb
[05:11] <drcode> k
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> drcode, nvidia takes care of that usually, but you need to check to see
[05:11] <drcode> lsmod didnt show me it
[05:11] <drcode> I did use modprobe
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ah, then try the modprobe
[05:11] <gbhat> Taggz, http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=21984
[05:11] <drcode> now it s on
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> now start x
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> or restart
[05:12] <drcode> k
[05:12] <drcode> I Will put it in bot time
[05:12] <drcode> I Dont remmber
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> it should be there automagically
[05:12] <drcode> etc/modules
[05:12] <drcode> k
[05:12] <drcode> let me checl
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> I have never had to mod that
[05:13] <drcode> it is not in /etc/modules
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> for nvidia
[05:13] <drcode> k
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> you used the binary installer?
[05:13] <drcode> k
[05:13] <Taggz> gbhat, thanks, but how do I do this "Open up to... /etc/X11/"
[05:13] <drcode> yes
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> it might be somewhere else
[05:13] <drcode> U think its there
[05:13] <drcode> k
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> i don't know on ubuntu
[05:13] <drcode> I Will try to reboot now
[05:13] <drcode> k
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> mine works fine
[05:13] <drcode> k
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:13] <drcode> I Will try to reboot
[05:13] <drcode> bye for now
[05:13] <Janux> Predius: wow..fluxbox is nice and super fast....my god..I love it....but one more question, how do I resize a window?
[05:14] <hugedisk> sorry for this, but I seem to have forgotten how to become root in ubuntu... what's the secret?
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> Janux, bottom right window
[05:14] <bob2> hugedisk: not doing so at all is the secret
[05:14] <bob2> hugedisk: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:14] <gbhat> Taggz, open a terminal and 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg/conf'
[05:14] <gbhat> Taggz, open a terminal and 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[05:14] <hugedisk> bob2, ah, excellent... thank you sir
[05:15] <Predius> Janux, you should play around with keys file
[05:15] <Taggz> gbhat thanks mate
[05:15] <Predius> I "WinKey + X" and opens Xchat
[05:15] <pixil9> Someone needs to setup a ?? bot
[05:15] <gbhat> lol
[05:15] <Predius> I "WinKey + R" opens aterm.
[05:15] <gbhat> why arent there Ubuntu newsgroups?
[05:15] <Janux> Predius: ic ic...where does that file locate so I can put shortcut key?
[05:16] <Predius> ~/.fluxbox
[05:16] <bob2> gbhat: gman.org mirrors the lists to nntp
[05:16] <Balistic22> anyone have experience with a dell optiplex gx1 im having some sound issues
[05:17] <gbhat> bob2, can you elaborate on that please?
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> Balistic22, no sound?
[05:17] <Balistic22> yeah no sound =(
[05:17] <Balistic22> my computer isnt recognizing my sound card for some reason
[05:17] <Virion[LNX] > hi, i'm a network admin from Cuba, i has installed Ubuntu last week. I try to run Mambo (the CMS from www.mamboserver.com) but it was impossible due to an error when i try to reset the passwd for mysqladmin using mysqladmin -u db_usr password ticktacktoe
[05:17] <Virion[LNX] > i get an error message
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> Balistic22, in terminal run alsamixer
[05:17] <bob2> gbhat: on which part? gmane.org mirrors lots of things to nntp.
[05:17] <Virion[LNX] > someone could help me on pv??
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> Balistic22, look for mm
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> means mute
[05:18] <Virion[LNX] > someone could help me on query??
[05:18] <Predius> Virion[LNX] , they have net admins in Cuba, ;)
[05:18] <gbhat> bob2, I use SBC Yahoo DSL and I see no newsgroups for Ubuntu on its nntp servers.
[05:18] <Virion[LNX] > Predius of course
[05:18] <Balistic22> umm ok
[05:18] <Predius> I know, I'm kidding.
[05:18] <Predius> I'm from Peru.
[05:18] <bob2> gbhat: yes, indeed, use gmane.org's one
[05:18] <Predius> Anyway, what's the error?
[05:18] <Virion[LNX] > Predius i work for the ntnl sea aquarium
[05:18] <bhearsum> is there a quick way to mark a package for removal in synaptic?
[05:19] <gbhat> bob2, gmane.org = nntp server?
[05:19] <Balistic22> sm22@ubuntu22:~$ alsamixer
[05:19] <Balistic22> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[05:19] <Balistic22> sm22@ubuntu22:~$
[05:19] <Predius> apt-get remove package?
[05:19] <bob2> gbhat: www.gmane.org has the details
[05:19] <bhearsum> Predius: i'm doing a ton at once
[05:19] <bhearsum> its easier to go through the list and click them than type them all
[05:19] <gbhat> ty bob2 already there
[05:19] <bhearsum> i don't want have to right click and hit remove on every one
[05:20] <bob2> how do you want to select them, then?
[05:20] <bhearsum> i want to hit the checkbox, and have it toggle removal
[05:20] <Predius> - key should do iy
[05:20] <w00tw00t> How do you install a .deb package in the terminal
[05:20] <bhearsum> - doesn't do it
[05:20] <Predius> dpkg -i <file .deb>
[05:20] <bhearsum> w00tw00t: dpkg -i somepack.deb
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> dpkg -i pkg.deb
[05:20] <hybrid> dpkg - deb
[05:20] <Janux> Predius: but I wanna resize my window
[05:20] <hybrid> **-i
[05:21] <Predius> Put your pointer on the bottom right
[05:21] <Predius> Look and it will change, click and move.
[05:21] <bored2k> trying to compile MPlayer gui, I get "Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found).". What's that package?!
[05:21] <bhearsum> no, it really doesn't
[05:21] <Predius> try getting it from the debain repositories.
[05:21] <bhearsum> bored2k: you need libgtk1.2-dev
[05:22] <Predius> *no, not debian
[05:22] <brenton> anyone here have openoffice base (2.0 beta)?
[05:22] <deang> is there a way to move the menu when the bar is "full" of icons?
[05:22] <bob2> bored2k: why are you compiling it to begin with?
[05:22] <chillywilly> from packages?
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> brenton, yea
[05:22] <chillywilly> brenton: from packages?
[05:22] <bored2k> bob2 just bored i guess :\
[05:23] <gbhat> bob2, so I cannot use a newsreader like pan to access gmane?
[05:23] <chillywilly> brenton: I have 1.9.95 installed right now by converting the rpms with alien but the unbuntu packages are too old for my tastes
[05:23] <bob2> gbhat: sure you can...
[05:23] <bored2k> bob2 : I get unmet dependencies [using backports, multi/uni and marillat
[05:23] <fightingfortofu> how do i put icons in the menus linked to commands?
[05:23] <bob2> bored2k: yes, don't use backports at all
[05:23] <bob2> bored2k: and get rid of marillat from your sources.list, the mplayer packages there are broken on hoary
[05:23] <gbhat> ahh bob2 darn !! I am slow today :D
[05:23] <nickrud> gbhat, use news.gmane.org as your nntp server. That's how I read debian
[05:24] <nickoli> has anybody here have a working wireless adapter on their box
[05:24] <bob2> nickoli: tens thousands of people do
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> nickoli, yes
[05:24] <nickoli> bob2 i want to put one in my box but im afraid of driver issues
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> built in as well as pcmcia or usb
[05:24] <bored2k> bob2 : thnx , just removed jdong's backports and now its kicking
[05:25] <gepp1> Is it possible to revert to older versions with dpkg?
[05:25] <Janux> Predius: no, it's not changing, any clue?
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> nickoli, get a card with Atheros chipset or Ornoco
[05:25] <jubei> why isnt /dev/input/event2 created on boot?
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> with prism
[05:25] <nickoli> nomasteryoda ahh oronocos are so much
[05:25] <Predius> Try clickin on the bottom right corner.
[05:25] <bhearsum> nickoli: they are good :)
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:25] <IIIEars> (makes note Atheros or Orinoco)
[05:25] <Predius> Just click there.
[05:25] <gbhat> zoinks!! gmane is free?
[05:25] <nickoli> bhearsum true
[05:25] <bhearsum> i have a dell truemobile 1150, orinoco gold chipset
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> I got my atheros for $10 us
[05:25] <bhearsum> external antenna connector
[05:25] <bhearsum> its lovely
[05:25] <nickrud> gbhat, :)
[05:25] <gbhat> it is cool!!
[05:25] <nickoli> nomasteryoda what brand has ateros in it
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> bhearsum, lol nic
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> e
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> the ATT 6700G
[05:26] <Janux> Predius: right and left click both don't work
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> is just one
[05:26] <Predius> ...
[05:26] <Predius> try getting 0.9.12
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> D-link has them too
[05:26] <Predius> and make make install
[05:26] <Predius> www.fluxbox.org
[05:26] <IIIEars> << lives in an apartment complex 'prolly filled with unsecured access points with linux is going to be feared - lol
[05:27] <nickoli> what who me
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> kan anyone say kismet, boys and girls?
[05:27] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: I live in an apartment building and my AP is unsecured
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:27] <HrdwrBoB> no-one else but me has ever connected to it though
[05:27] <nickoli> wep is to much work
[05:27] <IIIEars> << Erm - maybe i should the temptation
[05:27] <Ni7r0> hi I have just installed GCC-3.4 with kynaptic, but where is it located? i try <which gcc> but it can't find it, i must have it for installing vmware tools :'(
[05:27] <Janux> Predius: how do I check my fluxbox version?
[05:27] <IIIEars> *avoid
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> nickoli, for the security, wpa is the preferred opton... and lots of problems getting that working
[05:28] <Taggz> gbhat, whats was that command to edit the xorg.conf file?
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> wepkey can be cracked in seconds
[05:28] <Predius> The one they give is .11, or 10.
[05:28] <nickoli> nomasteryoda encryption is overated
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> heck, the md5 was cracked
[05:28] <Predius> Just get the devel version which is very stable from the flux site.
[05:28] <K_Dallas> Janux, look in synaptic or apt-get, it should give you the installed version
[05:28] <nickoli> anybody ever use an edimax wifi adapter
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> eeeewwwww
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> hear that one sucks
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> with linux that is
[05:29] <nickoli> nomasteryoda its under 20
[05:29] <gbhat> Taggz, open a terminal and 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:29] <jubei> There is no event in my devfs for mouse on boot. Why is this? Why wond udev make one?
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> bargain
[05:29] <Taggz> gedit, thanks gbhat
[05:29] <nickoli> nomasteryoda yes im poor
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> nickoli, i understand
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> I dumpsterdive for my parts
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> really
[05:29] <Janux> ic ic...thank you very much
[05:30] <nickoli> nomasteryoda haha also im replacing my p4 so im short on money
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:30] <IIIEars> jubei - i have had that trouble on install also - used a kvm to switch away during install.
[05:30] <nickoli> nomasteryoda i broke the pins on it while swapping cases
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> yea, IRC you never know
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> way ouch
[05:30] <nickoli> nomasteryoda what about a Trendnet card
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> IIIEars, yes kvm must be switched to the system during the video detection...even on startup or it will have low resolution... ymmv
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> nickoli, looking
[05:31] <IIIEars> IWhat companies base their cards on Atheros?
[05:31] <nickoli> nomasteryoda kk
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> several
[05:31] <jubei> I am not using a kvm
[05:31] <jubei> so why dont I have one?
[05:32] <Janux> Predius: so only 0.9.12 supports resizing windows?
[05:32] <jubei> i want the node /dev/input/event2 for evdev
[05:32] <Predius> I guess so.
[05:32] <Predius> I'm running it and am resizing windows.
[05:32] <jubei> but i have to make it manually each time I boot
[05:32] <qqnluaq> still trying to figure out how to get my res up to 1280.  kubuntu seems to be stuck at 1024. i've modified xorg.conf appropiately, but no dice...
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> I just got a PCI card from newegg for 35... it has atheros chipset
[05:32] <jubei> what is the best way to make /dev/input/event2 on startup?
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> and it is a 108mb card
[05:32] <nickoli> nomasteryoda which one
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:32] <jabra> can anyone help me setup cups I have been working on it for 2 day
[05:33] <nickoli> ahh no run cups
[05:33] <IIIEars> Wow - thats cool!
[05:33] <Janux> Predius, but I cannot apt-get it? then that means I cannot uninstall it later?
[05:33] <gbhat> wow gmane rocks
[05:33] <nickrud> qqnluaq, take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it will have comments about your resolution, that may help
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> DLINK|DWL-G520 2.4G
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> that's a D-link
[05:33] <qqnluaq> oki doke nickrud
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> their PCMCIA model has it too
[05:33] <Predius> yeah.
[05:33] <jabra> pleaese I relaly need cups helpl
[05:33] <Predius> Janux, you just apt-get remove it later.
[05:34] <Predius> This install will just change the old files.
[05:34] <Predius> It will work as if apt-getted.
[05:34] <nickrud> jabra, I hate cups, but ask way :)
[05:34] <Janux> Predius, o...ic ic...is it in .gz package?
[05:34] <Predius> yeah
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> http://www.atheros.com/news/linux.html
[05:34] <jabra> nickrud: wat do you use instead?
[05:34] <jubei> Should I ask about my problem in #kernel? Where else can I ask questions about devfs and udev?
[05:35] <nickrud> jabra, I use cups
[05:35] <jabra> ok did you write docs or rember how you set it up?
[05:36] <nickrud> jabra, I've set up  cups for a half a dozen printers over the last few years, and actually do like it. It's just the last printer ....
[05:36] <Mestapheles> hi
[05:36] <ish>  /window close
[05:36] <ish> oops :)
[05:36] <jabra> nickrud: can I pm you?
[05:36] <Mestapheles> about a week ago there was someone here wanting to know how to do an upgrade from debian to hoary.  Are they in?
[05:36] <nickrud> k
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> nickoli, look at all the atheros support over on their site.... http://tinyurl.com/7e69c
[05:38] <tbasten> dazzed, hey manb
[05:38] <tbasten> man*
[05:38] <nickoli> nomasteryoda thnak you
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> np man
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> anything to help the cause
[05:39] <Veritas> Ahhhh, crap.
[05:40] <Veritas> I just selected, "Install a new operating system" and went through the diagnostic on Partition Magic 8.0... But when I applied all the settings and said Program will now reboot
[05:40] <tbasten> any dual monitor users
[05:40] <Veritas> it did
[05:40] <Veritas> But it says, "Error loading operating system"
[05:40] <nickoli> tbasten right here
[05:40] <dracflamloc> is there anyplace anjuta would save my settings except for in ~/.anjuta?
[05:40] <Veritas> What happened, how do I now install Ubuntu?
[05:40] <tbasten> nickoli, do u use dual head card ofr 2 single cards
[05:40] <nickoli> tbasten dual-head
[05:41] <tbasten> :'(
[05:41] <nickoli> tbasten y
[05:41] <tbasten> :S need help with dualing with 2 cards
[05:41] <nickoli> tbasten not too difficult
[05:41] <Veritas> Can someone PLEASE help me
[05:41] <nickoli> tbasten bout the same as doing a dual-head
[05:42] <IIIEars> Wireless is not only easier than stringing long runs of cables it is as fast and almost less expensive.
[05:42] <Janux> in synaptic, it shows that I have gcc4.0-base and gcc installed but when I do ./configure for fluxbox, it has no gcc, any hints?
[05:42] <Predius> Guys, g'night.
[05:42] <nickoli> k
[05:42] <Predius> School tommorow. >=)
[05:42] <Predius> >=(
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> have fun Predius
[05:43] <Predius|sleep> Amazing the amount of help someone can give in 4 hours in this channel.
[05:43] <IIIEars> not going to miss the snarl of cat5 one bit.
[05:43] <Predius|sleep> I feel like a school councelor.
[05:43] <Janux> in synaptic, it shows that I have gcc4.0-base and gcc installed but when I do ./configure for fluxbox, it has no gcc, any hints?
[05:43] <Predius|sleep> apt-get install build-utils
[05:44] <drcode> hi all
[05:44] <Janux> Predius|sleep, okay....
[05:44] <drcode> I hope nvidia work now
[05:44] <drcode> I Load module at /etc/modules
[05:44] <drcode> I Put nvidia
[05:44] <drcode> and did reboot it seems to wokr
[05:44] <tbasten> nickoli, ok, first of all i cant get my s3 card working on this kernel (2.6.10)
[05:45] <nickoli> tbasten what kind of cards are you using
[05:45] <drcode> any way IF I want to add hebrew support so I can right in hebrew at open office any idea?
[05:45] <Nalioth> howyd y'all
[05:45] <Nalioth> i just installed Tiger and hosed my yaboot.
[05:45] <tbasten> nickoli, main one is nvidia geforce 4 mx 440 and secondry is s3 trio64
[05:45] <drcode> I use nvdia 2 i
[05:45] <Nalioth> Fixed my yaboot, but hosed the part that says "Mac OSX"
[05:45] <drcode> it old p333
[05:46] <drcode> it seems to work quit well
[05:46] <Predius|sleep> nite
[05:46] <Nalioth> and fun, too
[05:46] <nickoli> tbasten s3 well then...
[05:46] <Veritas> Does linux support WPA:AES?
[05:46] <drcode> btw:if I Use p220 with 64mb for server mode is it ok/
[05:46] <Janux> Predius|sleep, thanks good night
[05:46] <Veritas> I'm ion the network config stage
[05:46] <tbasten> nickoli, ? sorry\
[05:46] <Predius|sleep> worked?
[05:46] <devnull> is there a way to still have gnomes features but a different window manager ?
[05:47] <nickoli> tbasten well im sorry to inform but, i have never stepped outside of nvidia
[05:47] <nickoli> tbasten s3 who makes that
[05:47] <Janux> Predius|sleep, no...haha...it can't find it
[05:47] <Veritas> No one ever answers me :(
[05:47] <Predius|sleep> apt-cache search builf
[05:47] <Predius|sleep> apt-cache search build
[05:47] <Eighth> i'm trying to install hoary and i just got a red screen w/ error: installation step failed: configure timezone
[05:47] <Eighth> wtf?
[05:48] <Predius|sleep> it does, Veritas
[05:48] <Veritas> It says enter the WEP key
[05:48] <Predius|sleep> bad cd, Eighth?
[05:48] <Veritas> and when I enter my WPA key it says failed
[05:48] <Eighth> negative
[05:49] <Eighth> md5sum'd all the way from the server to the disc
[05:49] <Quinn_Storm> Veritas: that might be because WPA and WEP aren't the same thing
[05:49] <Veritas> It says invalid
[05:49] <Veritas> because it doesn't fallow the WEP syntas
[05:49] <terranwannabe> anyone feel like fielding an ALSA question?
[05:49] <Veritas> syntax
[05:49] <Janux> Predius|sleep, did you mean buildtool?
[05:49] <Predius|sleep> yeah, probably
[05:49] <Predius|sleep> Veritas, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[05:50] <Predius|sleep> damnit guys, google a little, ;)
[05:50] <Predius|sleep> ok, sleep.
[05:50] <nickoli> google owns
[05:50] <drcode> how I put hebrew support in xfce?
[05:50] <Predius|sleep> googled?
[05:50] <drcode> k
[05:51] <drcode> btw two linux can talk betwwen them ?
[05:51] <drcode> with NFS or samaba
[05:51] <drcode> by default thay config to see each other
[05:51] <Predius|sleep> two linux NFS
[05:51] <jackmacokc> anyone in here setup vsftpd? i need some help getting it going
[05:51] <Predius|sleep> win linux samba
[05:52] <Predius|sleep> what, jackmacokc ?
[05:52] <jackmacokc> vsftpd..i need some help configuring it
[05:52] <Predius|sleep> it should work automatically from the reps
[05:52] <zaofreek> does anyone have a suggestion for decent DVD ripping in ogg theora?
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> jackmacokc you need to edit the vsftpd.conf in etc
[05:52] <jackmacokc> maybe for anonymous, but i dont want anonymous
[05:53] <jackmacokc> Tsjoklat, I did...I'm not sure how to add a user for it
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> jackmacokc, set anonymous to NO
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> local enabled yes
[05:53] <Predius|sleep> vsftpd.users
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> mask 22
[05:53] <jackmacokc> Tsjoklat, I did..so how do I add a user
[05:53] <jackmacokc> ah
[05:53] <rosh> I have the install-iso, and I am currently running linux with lilo, how do I boot to the iso without burning it?
[05:53] <jackmacokc> in /etc?
[05:53] <Predius|sleep> then add the user, should work
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> write/read yes
[05:53] <Predius|sleep> yeah
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> yeah in /etc/
[05:53] <jackmacokc> cool..i'll go look and brb
[05:53] <Predius|sleep> qemu., rosh?
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> I never had to add a user jackmacokc
[05:54] <rosh> Predius|sleep, qemu?
[05:54] <Predius|sleep> wan't to install from that, or try it?
[05:54] <jackmacokc> i dont see a vsftpd.users..do i create it
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> no
[05:54] <rosh> Predius|sleep, I do want to install it on the hard disc, not emulate
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> jackmacokc, I never had to do it
[05:54] <memepelle> hello!!!
[05:55] <memepelle> maybe someone can help me here
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> jackmacokc, pm me and I'll give you some settings
[05:55] <jackmacokc> i installed through apt...but i dont see /etc/vsftpd.users
[05:55] <nickoli> memepelle maybe
[05:55] <rosh> I just want to launch the installer from my current lilo instead of burning the disc
[05:55] <jackmacokc> ok thx
[05:56] <memepelle> i'm new in ubuntu, i used Debian and other distros
[05:56] <nickoli> memepelle continue
[05:56] <Predius|sleep> http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[05:56] <memepelle> the problem i have is that i can't listen my mp3 in my ubuntu system
[05:56] <Predius|sleep> try reading that, rosh
[05:56] <marc74> can anyone help me with jre install?
[05:56] <Predius|sleep> ...
[05:56] <Predius|sleep> did you read the guide?
[05:56] <memepelle> you can download it in sun.java.com
[05:56] <Predius|sleep> he has it
[05:57] <marc74> is that the best way?
[05:57] <marc74> i learn better "hands on"
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> how do I add fonts to Ubuntu??
[05:57] <memepelle> i read some tips in Google and i install some packages, like gstreamer-mp3 and others
[05:57] <rosh> Predius|sleep, thanks, I will read it
[05:57] <Predius|sleep> argh
[05:57] <Predius|sleep> night now.
[05:57] <nickoli> well i decided to risk buying a trendnet card
[05:57] <memepelle> but neither xmms and mplayer seem to work with them
[05:57] <Tsjoklat> memepelle, you got gstreamer-mad?
[05:58] <memepelle> yes
[05:58] <memepelle> nothing
[05:58] <zaofreek> memepelle, read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[05:58] <marc74> ok i'm past alien, what next?
[05:58] <zaofreek> i think that's the proper link
[05:58] <marc74> anyone?
[05:58] <zaofreek> does your other sound work?
[05:58] <memepelle> i actually get gstremar-lame but nothing
[05:58] <nickoli> marc74 what are you doing
[05:58] <pixil9> !a guide Unofficial Ubuntu Guide - http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:58] <marc74> nickoli, trying to set up jre
[05:58] <nickoli> marc74 oh that i went through that
[05:58] <marc74> nickoli, for firefox
[05:59] <marc74> nickoli, help me
[05:59] <Nalioth> memepelle, read the restricted formats page mentioned
[05:59] <Nalioth> memepelle, it will fix you right up
[05:59] <nickoli> marc74 oh well sorry buddy cant help you, i just did it to run java apps on the desktop
[05:59] <memepelle> the strange thing is that wavs and other formats seems to work
[05:59] <marc74> somebody help me
[05:59] <memepelle> what's wrong marc74??
[05:59] <marc74> i rmp'd it and went through alien
[06:00] <Nalioth> marc74, always chancy
[06:00] <marc74> memepelle, how do i get firefox to recognize it?
[06:00] <pixil9> !a guide Unofficial Ubuntu Guide - http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:00] <pixil9> !a guide Unofficial Ubuntu Guide - http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:00] <memepelle> java??
[06:00] <zaofreek> Marble2, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:01] <pixil9> !! guide
[06:01] <uhelper> [1/1]  guide Unofficial Ubuntu Guide - http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:01] <memepelle> someone of latin america here??
[06:01] <marc74> i'm LOST
[06:01] <jabra> anyone have any idea of to fix "client-error-not-possible" with cups
[06:01] <memepelle> it would interesting to find someone of latin america
[06:01] <marc74> maybe someone can help me here
[06:01] <pixil9> !! guide jabra
[06:01] <uhelper> [1/1]  guide Unofficial Ubuntu Guide - http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:01] <pixil9> hmm
[06:01] <marc74> i just wanna get "java runtime environment" going
[06:02] <marc74> jre
[06:02] <zaofreek> i actually have a question about java as well
[06:02] <pixil9> !! guide pixil9
[06:02] <uhelper> [1/1]  guide Unofficial Ubuntu Guide - http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:02] <zaofreek> how do i add a folder to my java classpath?
[06:02] <bur[n] e1> nice :)  there's a bot for ubuntuguide finally
[06:02] <marc74> mkdir?
[06:02] <bur[n] e1> :)
[06:02] <nickoli> nomasteryoda thank you for your help, i have now found a card
[06:02] <pixil9> bur[n] e1, I dunno if i like this one
[06:03] <pixil9> I'm trying to find a good script for it
[06:03] <memepelle> i guess CLASSPATH=yourfolder but i'm not sure
[06:03] <marc74> i have serious problem and i'm looking for help
[06:03] <transgress> wow it's a good thing i have a cool boss
[06:03] <memepelle> whats's the problem
[06:03] <marc74> i follow the instructions and it don't work
[06:03] <transgress> because i so just fell asleep while working and he's just like "no problem"
[06:03] <Nalioth> memepelle, just wait a few minutes or go to #ubuntu-es
[06:03] <marc74> should i reformat and reinstall or something?
[06:03] <zaofreek> memepelle, doesn't CLASSPATH have to include all of them?
[06:04] <zaofreek> i haven't actually gotten that to work
[06:04] <pixil9> !a root Info on setting, changing, enabling or disabling root password - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[06:04] <pixil9> !! root
[06:04] <uhelper> [1/1]  root Info on setting, changing, enabling or disabling root password - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[06:04] <memepelle> all of what??
[06:04] <bob2> ew
[06:04] <marc74> i'm gonna destroy both of my computers haha
[06:04] <pixil9> Anyone know the name of the ?? bot script?
[06:04] <] BreliC[> dammit
[06:04] <pixil9> I don't like this !! one
[06:05] <] BreliC[> anyone know how to get rid of a < in a string?  It keeps giving me problems
[06:05] <bob2> please don't bring any more bots in here
[06:05] <] BreliC[> it's treating it as a reserved character
[06:05] <bob2> ] BreliC[: the tr tool can do that
[06:05] <pixil9> bob2, We can't run a helper bot????
[06:05] <bur[n] e1> !! RestrictedFormats
[06:05] <bur[n] e1> :)
[06:05] <memepelle> language??
[06:05] <] BreliC[> bob2, hmm, ok, thanks.
[06:05] <bur[n] e1> need that one
[06:05] <marc74> someone help me
[06:06] <marc74> plz
[06:06] <bob2> pixil9: there's already one
[06:06] <memepelle> guys, please help that dude,
[06:06] <marc74> i'm a noob
[06:06] <bob2> marc74: you haven't actually asked a question yet
[06:06] <memepelle> i tried buy he doesn't tell me what's the problem
[06:06] <marc74> bob2, what do i do after i used alien?
[06:06] <memepelle> i guess he haven't :)
[06:06] <Nalioth> marc74, please tell us the problem exactly in the order you stepped into it
[06:06] <bob2> marc74: ew, don't use alien
[06:07] <bob2> marc74: also, you still haven't told us what happened...
[06:07] <marc74> bob2, what should i do?
[06:07] <memepelle> i think that's he's the alien :)
[06:07] <marc74> bob2, i'm lost totatlly, give it to me from the start
[06:07] <] BreliC[> bob2, hehe, well, sometimes alien is the only solution (i.e my stupid printer drivers only come in rpm)
[06:07] <marc74> bob2, i have the file, but what do i do?
[06:07] <bob2> marc74: you're asking how to use alien?
[06:07] <bob2> marc74: what's your native language?
[06:08] <memepelle> alien *.rpm
[06:08] <marc74> bob2, no how do i get jre to work?
[06:08] <memepelle> sudo alien *.rpm
[06:08] <jabra> anyone know how to fix client-error-not-possible on cups?
[06:08] <helio7> googling debian source for gaim-otr (encryption plugin) I found this http://www.artfiles.org/ubuntu.com/archive/pool/universe/g/ which shows the index of /ubuntu.com/archive/pool/universe/g;  Is it logical to assume if I add /ubuntu.com/archive/pool/universe/g to my sources.list I'll be able to apt-get gaim-otr?
[06:08] <marc74> i'm past that, what next?
[06:08] <marc74> how do i get firefox to recoginze it?
[06:08] <bob2> helio7: no, that won't work
[06:08] <|QuaD-> marc74: why are you installing java with an rpm?
[06:08] <memepelle> you mean a plug-in for firefox
[06:08] <memepelle> java plug-in
[06:08] <marc74> i'm doing whatp people told me on here
[06:09] <bur[n] e1> gaim-otr == gaim-encryption?
[06:09] <marc74> what*
[06:09] <bob2> helio7: gaim-encryption is in hoary
[06:09] <helio7> bob2: and you use that?
[06:09] <marc74> i just want JRE to work
[06:09] <bob2> helio7: no, I don't use gaim at all
[06:09] <memepelle> guys, any good package to edit videos??
[06:09] <marc74> who can help me?
[06:09] <memepelle> ok
[06:09] <bob2> marc74: please
[06:09] <bob2> you're being very annoying
[06:09] <bob2> and inefficient
[06:09] <memepelle> i have done it, but in old mozilla
[06:09] <bur[n] e1> helio7: i use it
[06:10] <|QuaD-> marc74: sudo mv jre1.5.0_02/ /usr
[06:10] <nickrud> mark, did you do the make-jpkg method I told you about?
[06:10] <marc74> i have the file, what do i do next?
[06:10] <|QuaD-> plah
[06:10] <bob2> marc74: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:10] <bob2> marc74: follow those instructions
[06:10] <marc74> bob2, ok
[06:10] <|QuaD-> marc74: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:10] <memepelle> he wants to install a java plug-in in firefox
[06:10] <bob2> then why doesn't he or she say that?
[06:10] <pixil9> bob2, Which bot is it? and can I have access to add keys?
[06:10] <helio7> bur[n] e1: cool; I'm using it now... thanks;
[06:10] <bob2> and why does he or she keep avoiding answering questions?
[06:11] <memepelle> i don't know i assume that
[06:11] <DmD> is there a way to update xchat through the terminal?
[06:11] <fitheach> marc74, do yourself a favour and use the method which uses the package java-package ... works nicely.
[06:11] <bob2> DmD: you mean the package?
[06:11] <DmD> yeah
[06:11] <DmD> i have 2.4.1
[06:11] <nickrud> marc74, the method three on the page bob2 gave you
[06:11] <DmD> and 2.4.3 is the newest
[06:11] <marc74> fitheach, where is that?
[06:11] <Nalioth> DmD, doesnt apt-get work in a terminal?
[06:11] <memepelle> you know what, google it
[06:11] <marc74> fitheach, i searched the ubuntu package for it
[06:12] <DmD> Naliot: yes, but i'm not sure what the link iks
[06:12] <DmD> is*
[06:12] <memepelle> some people is getting tire of that
[06:12] <bob2> DmD: then wait until breezy comes out
[06:12] <DmD> breezy?
[06:12] <bob2> pixil9: do not /msg me
[06:12] <nickrud> marc74, one last time: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method 3
[06:12] <bob2> pixil9: I have nothing to do with the silly bot at all
[06:12] <pixil9> !a java http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:13] <bob2> please stop being annoying
[06:13] <pixil9> !a jre http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:13] <fitheach> marc74, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 and there the second section titled "Installing Sun's Java on Hoary (expanding on Gabriel Bauman's comment from above)"
[06:13] <bob2> good lord
[06:13] <bob2> pixil9: enough
[06:13] <pixil9> I sit in here helping all day lol
[06:13] <memepelle> well, is java, or a java plug-in for firefox, make up your mind
[06:13] <bob2> pixil9: if you insist on hammering the bot, do it in /msg
[06:13] <pixil9> I'm adding keys so I can _help_ people
[06:13] <fitheach> marc74, you have to add multiverse oder universe in order to install java-package and fakeroot.
[06:13] <bob2> pixil9: then do it in /msg
[06:13] <pixil9> ok
[06:14] <Nalioth> Dmd would you not use apt-get to update the program?
[06:15] <zerokarmaleft> DmD, what do you need in xchat 2.4.3 that's not available in 2.4.1?
[06:15] <memepelle> first time use this shit and i'm loving ir
[06:15] <drgalaxy> I have been installing programs from universe.  How can I make the GNOME Applications menu show my new packages?
[06:15] <memepelle> it, sorry
[06:15] <jabra> win 11
[06:15] <jabra> oops
[06:15] <DmD> i don't know, i was just wondering if i should update it
[06:15] <zerokarmaleft> DmD, then you don't need to worry about updating it
[06:16] <DmD> alright, thanx :)
[06:16] <|QuaD-> one thing i wonder. most of the ubuntu developers are also debian developers. i wonder what os they are actually running
[06:16] <helio7> What are the best places to look when my system crashes for clues?  I haven't had the time to really troubleshoot this periodic system hang Mouse frozen/crash thing since I upgraded to Hoary; I need as many clues as possible to narrow it down
[06:16] <nickrud> drgalaxy, apt-get install menu (preferred for now) or google gnome-menu-editor
[06:16] <|QuaD-> helio7: first i would try to figure out if it is x crashing or your whole system
[06:16] <|QuaD-> and then take it from their
[06:16] <drgalaxy> nickrud: thanks! I had used menu before, didn't realize I had to install it
[06:16] <nickrud> drgalaxy, the programs you have installed will appear under a Debian menu entry if you install menu
[06:17] <drgalaxy> awesome, thanks nickrud
[06:17] <helio7> |QuaD-: and how would you ascertain that?  alt-cntrl F6 doesn't get me anything if that's telling...
[06:17] <nickrud> drgalaxy, I like questions I can answer :)
[06:18] <|QuaD-> helio7: that wouldn't work if x crashed, do you have another box?
[06:18] <Nalioth> Dmd if it's working , don't mess with it
[06:18] <memepelle> thanks guys
[06:18] <memepelle> I CAN PLAY MP3 NOW
[06:18] <helio7> |QuaD-: yes I have a laptop that runs hoary flawlessly
[06:19] <|QuaD-> helio7: you can try sshing into it. if it ssh's in, it is x crashing not your whole system
[06:19] <helio7> |QuaD-: ok thanks;
[06:19] <memepelle> someone here uses a USB Wireless card device
[06:20] <memepelle> i need some help with that
[06:20] <|QuaD-> if it isn't ssh'ing in, you can try saving logs like dmesg, messages, etc to a file and view those after a crash
[06:22] <helio7> |QuaD-: just typing dmesg after a crash will work right?
[06:23] <|QuaD-> helio7: no... dmesg is a log file (like a txt file), you need to always be saving the contents of that to another file (like tail -f dmesg > somelog.txt) because on reboot, dmesg is cleard (iirc)
[06:23] <TheKark> ugh, xboxs are annoying
[06:24] <|QuaD-> TheKark: you running linux on it?
[06:24] <TheKark> i would, i just need to fix one...
[06:24] <TheKark> gentoox wosn
[06:24] <TheKark> owns
[06:24] <|QuaD-> helio7: its a pain, but if your comp is crashing alot, it might be worth it until you figure it out
[06:25] <|QuaD-> helio7: you might also want to try to reproduce the crash, see why it is happening
[06:25] <TheKark> hmm, should I install hoary tonight on my old machine?
[06:25] <|QuaD-> TheKark: when you say old, how old
[06:26] <|QuaD-> TheKark: i bet you could install it in <30 minutes
[06:26] <helio7> |QuaD-: can I set some cronjob to run "tail -f dmesg > somelog.txt" ?
[06:26] <TheKark> my 486 in my closet
[06:26] <TheKark> lol
[06:26] <TheKark> p3 600 mhz, 256 ram
[06:27] <|QuaD-> helio7: that would show what happened right before the crash though, so you would want to run that right after you boot up so its always saving the log
[06:27] <nickrud> TheKark, I run it on a p2 466 256, go for it
[06:27] <|QuaD-> TheKark: yeah, that should be fine
[06:27] <|QuaD-> how do you guys think ubuntu will run on a p2 400 with 64 mb ram?
[06:27] <TheKark> i know in warty it worked great, until I installed on my main machine
[06:28] <helio7> |QuaD-: how often do you think I should run this dmesg > log job to adequately show what was happening before the crash?
[06:29] <nickrud> helio7, the dmsg file is created at boot, an not altered, so only once at each boot is enough
[06:29] <|QuaD-> helio7: you need to run it all the time.... because you want it running when it crashes
[06:29] <|QuaD-> nickrud: what log file am i thinking of then?
[06:29] <nickrud> /var/log/messages ?
[06:30] <|QuaD-> nickrud: dmesg changes after boot
[06:30] <|QuaD-> i am looking right now
[06:30] <sig> tail -f /var/log/messages
[06:30] <TheKark> hmm, this sucks... I have to reboot
[06:30] <|QuaD-> ok messages :)
[06:30] <TheKark> brb
[06:30] <|QuaD-> that was the other one i said to monitor
[06:30] <nickrud> lol
[06:32] <nickrud> |QuaD-, sorry about laughing, but I've sucked today at helping, so I needed the relief :)
[06:33] <Censorydep> anyone feel like helping me troubleshoot apm not starting?
[06:33] <|QuaD-> nickrud: i have been up for 20 hours, doing work all day, i am shot, and i wanna get a rough draft of my undergraduate thesis to my advisor tomorrow..... so basically i am majorly sucking
[06:33] <nickrud> |QuaD-, as they say, life sucks
[06:34] <nickrud> what's the thesis?
[06:34] <jubei> Why does quake run glitchy when I have other tasks idling?
[06:34] <|QuaD-> nickrud: want the topic?
[06:34] <nickrud> |QuaD-, yeah, I am interested
[06:35] <nickrud> I like the people here, you're all doing interesting thins
[06:35] <amonkey> bawls = a good thing at this point
[06:35] <DmD> i got a Linux newb question..i'm trying to install a program in a tar.gz archieve and i've already extracted it to my desktop, but when i do make isntall it says No Rule to make install -- Stop
[06:36] <DmD> the prorgam is torsmo
[06:36] <nickrud> DmD, you must do ./configure && make before make install, and don't do make install, use checkinstall
[06:37] <|QuaD-> nickrud: i developed a testbed to implement Acoustic Location Detection by Belief Propogation. basically it is a fancy way of saying i built a system that accurately detects locations using acousic sound, and it is EXTREMELY Efficient interms of battery life, hardware costs (accuracy of sensors isn't that important). basically it blows the other similar type systems away. rarely reports false errors
[06:37] <jubei> what does make checkinstall do?
[06:37] <|QuaD-> realy scalable, decentralized, etc etc
[06:37] <DmD> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[06:37] <DmD> after i typed that cmd
[06:37] <helio7> so to get this straight, good things to monitor for crash data are: Once on bootup capture dmesg, then periodically (like how often?) capture "/var/log/messages"? correct?
[06:37] <nickrud> |QuaD-, ah, gunshot detectors
[06:38] <|QuaD-> nickrud: it doesn't have to use acoustic sound, thats just what we chose to use, but it will work with anything that we can get a sensor for (or build a sensor for)
[06:38] <DmD> then i tried checkinstall - command not found
[06:38] <|QuaD-> like ultrasound, light, rf, ir (if ir strength is measureable, not sure)
[06:38] <tandy> does anyone know if the latest ubuntu release cds have been shipped yet?
[06:39] <nickrud> |QuaD-, actually I understand that, my professional background is in instrumentation, and I can think of a lot of applications
[06:39] <Censorydep> |QuaD-: not to but in, but could you use 802.11 signals to do location?
[06:39] <nickrud> DmD, you need to apt-get get it
[06:39] <Censorydep> it would make laptop hide and seek a lot of fun...
[06:39] <|QuaD-> Censorydep: haha, i guess you could, its just an rf signal
[06:40] <|QuaD-> nickrud: yeah, its pretty cool, it helped when on job interviews
[06:40] <nickrud> |QuaD-, I just want to know what I believe has to do with it :)
[06:40] <Censorydep> |QuaD-: nice, not that I have the experience, but something like that sounds like it would be fun to implement
[06:40] <|QuaD-> nickrud: what you believe?
[06:41] <nickrud> |QuaD-, not much, anymore
[06:41] <DmD> ok i installed checkinstall
[06:41] <DmD> and i cd into the dir
[06:41] <DmD> then checkinstall and i got this
[06:41] <DmD> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[06:41] <DmD> Cleaning up...OK
[06:41] <DmD> Bye.
[06:41] <DmD> sry abou the flood ;x
[06:41] <|QuaD-> Censorydep: its a bitch to implement, cuz of the efficiency and cost. and syncing everything up, etc
[06:42] <nickrud> DmD, the basic routine is ./configure (this is where the intended program looks around, and figures out what it needs to
[06:42] <nickrud> compile.
[06:42] <DmD> configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[06:42] <DmD> hmm
[06:42] <crimsun> install build-essential
[06:42] <crimsun> and skip checkinstall
[06:42] <|QuaD-> Censorydep: and i am programming computers the size of a quarter, and the only output they really have is via led or RF or i can connect it to a base station and send messages like that throguh uart. its hard to test :(
[06:43] <Fasc> My left foot has fallen asleep, while the right is tapping to unheard tune. My feet never seem to be fully functional first thing in the morning.
[06:43] <nickrud> crimsun, I've been told that checkinstall is useful, am I misinformed?
[06:43] <crimsun> nickrud: it's useful, but never to make proper Debian packages.
[06:44] <Censorydep> |QuaD-: sorry to hear it is so difficult to work with.  Good luck with your thesis!
[06:44] <nickrud> crimsun, that I've never believed
[06:44] <nickrud> debian packaging, I dreamed about it once, but woke up.
[06:45] <crimsun> it's not difficult, particularly with cdbs nowadays
[06:45] <|QuaD-> Censorydep, nickrud: bascially, i was cheap labor last summer, free labor this school year, so my profs like that part of it, i basically did the easy/tedious stuff, and now, they can pay a phd candidate to do the more hardcore research and development of the system
[06:45] <|QuaD-> my thesis is basically worthless
[06:45] <crimsun> a thesis is never worthless
[06:45] <Censorydep> nor is the experience
[06:46] <nickrud> yeah, I've seen a lot of packages change over to cdbs over the last couple of years, but still, I will find other ways to contribute
[06:46] <|QuaD-> crimsun: its not worthless, i learned a lot, and i did a lot of good research and development, but the document itself really isn't that important, and doesn't really hold that much value
[06:46] <Fasc> QuaD, surely if you conducted the thesis under a university institute, the work cannot be taken over without consent of the original author?
[06:46] <Nalioth> nickrud, checkinstall is da bomb!
[06:46] <crimsun> |QuaD-: the document itself isn't _that_ crucial, the experience is
[06:46] <nickrud> |QuaD-, welcome to the adult world
[06:47] <|QuaD-> Fasc: taken over? i don't really own any rights. when you do research for a university/college (in america atleast) they make you sign something that basically says they own the work
[06:47] <crimsun> I never had to sign something like that
[06:48] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i didn't have to for my thesis project, but when i started and they paid me i did
[06:48] <Fasc> Must be different up here in sunny Scotland then; you have to sign saying its your work, and that any false information etc represented in the work is yours, and doesnt not represent that of the university.
[06:48] <|QuaD-> and plus, the funding for all the equipment is through grants from nsf, navy, etc, so they have stipulations also
[06:48] <crimsun> interesting, |QuaD-
[06:48] <Nalioth> later, i'm gonna find out if my homemake yaboot.conf works...
[06:48] <nickrud> Fasc, here the prof's can patent/sell their work, so they want the rights
[06:48] <Nalioth> later is now
[06:49] <crimsun> yeah, ours was through dod
[06:49] <Nalioth> bye
[06:49] <|QuaD-> nickrud: do they get 100% of the rights? or is it 60/40
[06:49] <Fasc> Hah, I dont think I would much like to be in your country, anyway. ;)
[06:49] <nickrud> |QuaD-, they sign contracts too
[06:49] <|QuaD-> at my school professors get either 60% or 40% of the rights to patent
[06:49] <Nalioth> nickrud, checkinstall is great, keeps your system tidy (deb install as opposed to "make install"
[06:50] <nickrud> Nalioth, I can't tab complete your name:) about the only thing I compile these days are gnome, and I use jhbuild for the cvs
[06:50] <Fasc> Only just recently ordered my copies of Ubuntu; on Slackware at the moment, but word on the grepvine is that its going down the pan soon, so I thought ubuntu would be a nice change of scenery for me to jump ship.
[06:50] <crimsun> that's because he parted, nickrud
[06:50] <|QuaD-> basically what i am doing is great for research in wireless adhoc networks. have a feeling i left a great groundwork for future research and development, but its not something that wouldn't be easy to duplicate
[06:51] <nickrud> missed it :)
[06:51] <Censorydep> anyone want to help me troubleshoot apm?
[06:52] <Fasc> Besides, who could resist a name like Breezy Badger? ;)
[06:52] <borgista> a question: I ran 'ndiswrapper -m' w/a bad driver...and now i want to do undo that action. how would i?
[06:53] <borgista> i was following the wiki for NdisWrapper
[06:53] <Eighth> when I install hoary from cd (md5 verified), my machine locks up at the initial boot after install
[06:53] <crimsun> Censorydep: what exactly?
[06:53] <Eighth> saying something about loading GRUB, please wait
[06:53] <Censorydep> crimsun, it is in my /etc/modules and acpi has been removed from the system, but it still won't start.
[06:54] <Censorydep> crimsun, at the suggestion of someone on here about 16 hours ago I tried >sudo modprobe apm
[06:54] <Eighth> how can i make my system boot?
[06:55] <Censorydep> crimsun, I get the following error: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[06:55] <zerokarmaleft> Eighth, that sounds like grub wasn't successful installing itself on to the MBR
[06:55] <nickrud> Eighth, did you md5sum the iso you downloaded, or the cd itself?
[06:55] <Eighth> well, the third time i installed it (yesterday), i booted into knoppix after installing and /boot did not exist
[06:55] <borgista> i want to undo 'ndiswrapper -m' since i plan to use another driver, any ideas?
[06:55] <Eighth> this time, i set it as a different partition
[06:56] <Eighth> and i verified the download and burn
[06:56] <crimsun> Censorydep: hmm, what was the intent?
[06:56] <crimsun> (and what hardware)
[06:57] <Censorydep> crimsun, of the modprobe, or in general? and Dell Inspiron 3700
[06:57] <AvvY> ...
[06:57] <nickrud> Eighth, I've been told that md5sum /dev/cdrom is the ultimate test of your burn?
[06:57] <eggy> p;o;
[06:57] <crimsun> Censorydep: of replacing acpi with apm, but you answered my question indirectly
[06:58] <Eighth> nickrud, i'm pretty sure that's what k3b does when it verifies data
[06:58] <tom_neo> 1.32, 1.87, 2.14 <-- much?
[06:58] <Censorydep> crimsun, acpi wasn't performing quite right, and I had apm working with Warty, so I thought I would go back to it
[06:58] <nickrud> Eighth, was wondering if you burned in windows, so I'll just shut up
[06:59] <thr1ce> what does ubuntu require to install k3b; a bunch of KDE stuff?
[06:59] <tom_neo> KKKKKKKKK3b
[06:59] <tom_neo> no wonder?
[06:59] <thr1ce> well, I mean amarok takes like 10 packs
[06:59] <thr1ce> nothing on gnome can even compare
[06:59] <AvvY> i think its dodgy that certain programs need either gnome or kde to run. shouldnt programs be universal?
[07:00] <Eighth> so do you have any ideas?\
[07:00] <nickrud> thr1ce, try installing evoution under kubuntu, and you'll change your tune :)
[07:00] <thr1ce> not when they're built off gnome / kde libs
[07:00] <tom_neo> AvvY: maybe but every application would be 10 times bigger
[07:00] <crimsun> Censorydep: would you enumerate the issues with acpi?
[07:00] <thr1ce> nickrud: nah, not nearly as bad
[07:00] <AvvY> tom_neo: really? i dont see why. as it is, most linux progs seem to really small compared to win versions
[07:00] <Veritas> Ack. I just finished installing ubuntu
[07:00] <Eighth> i read that ubuntu's installer sometimes doesn't make partitions right and that you have to make them manually (fdisk, cfdisk, etc) and then assign them to mount points during install
[07:00] <Veritas> and when I launched it said
[07:01] <Veritas> veritas@ubuntu:~$
[07:01] <Eighth> but how do i make them manually when my box doesn't boot?
[07:01] <tom_neo> AvvY: because they have dependencies
[07:01] <Veritas> you have 1 new message
[07:01] <Eighth> i've tried it from livecds but they won't write to the drives
[07:01] <nickrud> Eighth, that's the only way I've done an ubuntu install, to preserve old debian installs, so  maybe ....
[07:01] <tom_neo> Eighth: you can enable write access in live cds
[07:01] <AvvY> tom_neo: oh ok. i still think its kinda stupid. i mean, linux is great, but i see so many flaws in its logic and its opperations
[07:01] <fasc> Hmm. Anyway, later all.
[07:01] <thr1ce> nickrud: only 4 libs or so, plus gal, is it?
[07:02] <tom_neo> well... i'm busy -/
[07:02] <Veritas> What do I do to finalize and boot?
[07:02] <nickrud> thr1ce, I figure 20 - 25 not installed under kubuntuy
[07:02] <Censorydep> crimsun, coming back from lid suspend would come back, then suspend again, and require a touch of the power button to bring back again.
[07:02] <thr1ce> nickrud: and, it seems as though the breezy guys haven't gotten evolution down :(
[07:03] <Censorydep> and, my PCMCIA wireless card wouldn't come back up without a reboot
[07:03] <thr1ce> nickrud: ooh...right; I was compiling on my slack kde box :)
[07:03] <Veritas> What's the command to boot into Ubuntu once I get to the command prompt?
[07:03] <crimsun> thr1ce: they're all busy at UdU :)
[07:03] <Veritas> veritas@ubuntu:~$ _
[07:03] <nickrud> thr1ce, yeah, I was wondering how that was going, i figured breezy was worth a laugh right now :)
[07:03] <thr1ce> I thought that was over soon?
[07:03] <pixil9> ?? nvidia
[07:03] <uhelper> nvidia: To install the nvidia binary video driver for xorg go here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:04] <thr1ce> nickrud: oh no; I use kmail anyways; but yeah, it ran decent
[07:04] <thr1ce> I could tell it wasn't being focused on
[07:04] <AvvY> how long does it usually take to ship ubuntu cds?
[07:04] <crimsun> thr1ce: see all these @intern146.lnk.telstra.net? :)
[07:04] <nickrud> thr1ce, it is focused on, just not from the end users perspective. Ever do software development?
[07:05] <thr1ce> nickrud: no, not at all; I meant that the focus wasn't really on progressing the OS yet...it seems as though decisions and goals still must be made and set
[07:05] <nickrud> 'till it's ready'
[07:06] <thr1ce> yeah yeah
[07:06] <thr1ce> :)
[07:06] <Veritas> How do I log onto root?
[07:06] <Veritas> So I can boot...
[07:06] <thr1ce> personally, I think software updates, security or not, are always important
[07:06] <nickrud> and I am awed by the 'release often' and get flamed mentality today
[07:06] <Veritas> Seriously, can someone PLEASE help me.
[07:07] <drcode> any one know how I can install nvidia?
[07:07] <drcode> so it will be 3d and so?
[07:07] <pixil9> ??faq veritas root
[07:07] <uhelper> veritas: (root) To set change or enable your root password - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[07:07] <drcode> is there step by step?
[07:07] <nickrud> Veritas, use sudo whenever you can, and where you can't, use sudo -i
[07:07] <Veritas> I jsut finisihed my installation
[07:07] <battledragun> ok, finally got it installed and working somewhat, but GDM isn't setup right, is there a utilitiy to automattically setup gdm for hoary?
[07:07] <tom_neo> bye
[07:07] <crimsun> drcode: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:07] <Veritas> and it loaded for the first time and said veritas@ubuntu:~$
[07:07] <Veritas> you have one new message
[07:08] <Veritas> than a command prompt came up
[07:08] <drcode> thanx
[07:08] <TechLord> is there any route planning software for linux?
[07:08] <jabra> anyone know how to fix Unable to connect to IPP host: Success with cups?
[07:08] <crimsun> Censorydep: please paste the output of lsmod onto http://pastebin.com
[07:09] <indigirl1>   how do i convert *.wma to *.mp3 or *.ogg ?
[07:10] <drcode> btw:can I tell apt-get not to check new wine ver in some site?
[07:10] <crimsun> indigirl1: vlc, mplayer, kaffeine
[07:10] <Censorydep> crimsun, done
[07:12] <Kaiser_Karl> how can you search synaptic for source packages only?
[07:14] <crimsun> Censorydep: ok, presuming you have apmd installed, correct?
[07:14] <aspro> eek!
[07:14] <aspro> sound problems!
[07:15] <thr1ce> kopete in gnome?  wow
[07:15] <aspro> I tried to play a avi file in totem, it crashed for some reason, but now, I get mad fuzz coming through the speakers
[07:15] <DmD> hi, i'm trying to setup a webserver and the tut i'm following says to type mysqladmin -u root -p password "new password here" and it says mysqladmin command not found...i did try to apt-get mysqladmin but couldn't find it as well
[07:15] <Quinn_Storm> aspro: try killall esd
[07:16] <DmD> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25722.html
[07:16] <thr1ce> do you  have mysql installed?
[07:16] <DmD> that's where it is
[07:16] <aspro> there is still sound coming through, as if I turn the speakers off (but leave the sub) I can here the bass line, but the speakers only faintly have the music compared to the fuzz
[07:16] <DmD> i think so
[07:16] <aspro> I have restarted the computer
[07:16] <aspro> to no avail
[07:16] <DmD> aspro, my old soundcard did the same thing
[07:16] <aspro> the speakers are fine, my ipod plays perfectly
[07:16] <thr1ce> aspro: run alsamixer, and turn down PCM to about 75%
[07:16] <DmD> there's like static right?
[07:16] <nickrud> aspro, you need to unplug, been there :)
[07:16] <indigirl1> aspro, lower the volume on master and pcm levels to 75 on each in alsamixer
[07:17] <aspro> okay
[07:17] <DmD> a friend suggested to get a new soundcard, and all the fuzz is gone
[07:17] <thr1ce> master can stay up; lower PCM
[07:17] <jabra> anyone wanta help with a problem with cups
[07:17] <indigirl1> jabra, ask
[07:18] <DmD> what's the package name for mysql?
[07:18] <jabra> any idea how to fix Unable to connect to IPP host: Success with cups
[07:18] <DmD> cus i tried apt-get mysql and it didn't install
[07:18] <thr1ce> search in synaptic
[07:18] <indigirl1> DmD, apt-cache search mysql
[07:18] <Censorydep> crimsun, yes
[07:18] <aspro> okay, nothing happened, i lowered everything to 75 or less
[07:18] <jabra> indigirl1: that is wat I get in the log file
[07:18] <crimsun> DmD: mysql-server
[07:18] <thr1ce> ok; save it and exit
[07:19] <jabra> indigirl1: both windows and linux clients can connect to it
[07:19] <thr1ce> hm...try another sound daemon in xmms or something, to see if that could be the problem
[07:19] <thr1ce> like switch to OSS, alsa, esound, etc.
[07:19] <indigirl1> crimsun, in mplayer man page i don't see how to convert audio formats
[07:19] <pepperpot> Do I need to do anything special to get ubuntu to recognize 1gig RAM? "top" says I have 906656k
[07:19] <DmD> usermin-mysql - A mysql module for the usermin web-based administration tool
[07:19] <DmD> should i try installing that for a webserver?
[07:19] <aspro> it happens while linux is on, ive switched gstreamer around but the static is always going
[07:21] <indigirl1> pepperpot, it won't show exactly 100000k
[07:21] <nickrud> ?? root
[07:21] <uhelper> root: To set change or enable your root password - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[07:21] <thr1ce> Mem:    904504k total,   258000k used,   646504k free,    47704k buffers
[07:21] <DmD> sudo apt-get mysql-server
[07:21] <DmD> E: Invalid operation mysql-server
[07:21] <DmD> what's that all about?
[07:21] <crimsun> DmD: install it
[07:21] <nickrud> ??faq pixil9 root
[07:21] <uhelper> pixil9: (root) To set change or enable your root password - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[07:21] <pixil9> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[07:22] <thr1ce> sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[07:22] <indigirl1> DmD, apt-get *install*
[07:22] <DmD> ah there
[07:22] <DmD> lol
[07:22] <indigirl1> DmD, too many answers? ;)
[07:22] <DmD> heh no
[07:22] <DmD> i want to learn Linux
[07:22] <DmD> i'm determined to :D
[07:23] <DmD> i'm setting up a webserver for a friend to leech off of me
[07:23] <Veritas> after I'm logged into root
[07:23] <Veritas> what is the command to boot into the OS?
[07:23] <DmD> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[07:23] <DmD> error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'
[07:23] <DmD> Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
[07:23] <indigirl1> DmD, *web*server may not be best solution
[07:23] <DmD> i entered the password
[07:23] <DmD> oh
[07:24] <aspro> dang, this sucks
[07:24] <indigirl1> DmD, mysql needs to be running
[07:24] <DmD> web server is http, right?
[07:24] <indigirl1> DmD, yes http.
[07:24] <Censorydep> DmD, yes
[07:24] <DmD> damnit
[07:25] <DmD> i went through all fo this
[07:25] <DmD> of*
[07:25] <DmD> haha
[07:25] <DmD> ;x
[07:25] <indigirl1> DmD, use ftp or nfs, samba, etc
[07:25] <marc74> ok no more fucking with the shell
[07:25] <marc74> time to chat
[07:25] <TheKark> anyone know what an error 15 is in grub?
[07:25] <crimsun> Censorydep: ok, just to double-check: you booted using apm=on ?
[07:25] <marc74> yeah right
[07:25] <marc74> i can't give up
[07:25] <DmD> alright i just installed Samba
[07:26] <crimsun> Censorydep: (i.e., it's in your /boot/grub/menu.lst, and you've blacklisted shpchp and pciehp)
[07:26] <DmD> * Starting Samba daemons..
[07:26] <Censorydep> crimsun, # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=normal apm=on
[07:26] <DmD> so does that mean it's running?
[07:26] <Censorydep> and yes, those are blacklisted
[07:26] <indigirl1> DmD, yes
[07:26] <marc74> i'm addcited to computes
[07:26] <marc74> computers*
[07:26] <DmD> alright
[07:26] <crimsun> Censorydep: ok, and you ran update-grub after editing menu.lst?
[07:26] <DmD> so i need to add a user now then
[07:26] <Veritas> Chillins
[07:26] <Veritas> LISTEN UP.
[07:27] <Veritas> I just finished installation
[07:27] <Censorydep> crimsun, I think so, but I can run it again
[07:27] <Veritas> And now, it said to remove the CD and boot from the harddrive
[07:27] <indigirl1> DmD, or just point to your folder maybe
[07:27] <Veritas> So, now I'm there... and I'm logged into root
[07:27] <DmD> the folder is mounted on an ntfs partition that can't write, but it can read...can he still download files from me?
[07:27] <Censorydep> Veritas, I think you just reboot *shrug* dunno.  Did you try typing "help"?
[07:28] <indigirl1> DmD, yes
[07:28] <Veritas> Yeah. Help jsut gave a big command prompt of like 910 commands
[07:28] <DmD> alright, i added his account to my userlist
[07:28] <DmD> so what's next to setup the fpt?
[07:28] <DmD> ftp even
[07:28] <Censorydep> Veritas, and did you try rebooting?
[07:29] <Veritas> Yes.
[07:29] <indigirl1> DmD, just choose one, not all
[07:29] <Veritas> I'm at the same place
[07:29] <Veritas> It says
[07:29] <indigirl1> DmD, ftp may be easier to setup than samba
[07:29] <Veritas> after I log into my username
[07:29] <marc74> can anyone give me direct answer of what i have do do after i decompress a file and install it,  i.e. jde
[07:29] <Censorydep> crimsun, once I update grub, do I need to reboot?
[07:29] <DmD> hmm
[07:29] <Veritas> vertias~ubuntu:~
[07:29] <Veritas> veritas@ubuntu:~ _
[07:29] <DmD> so apt-cache search ftp then or?
[07:29] <Veritas> you have 1 new mail message
[07:29] <indigirl1> marc74, j*r*e?
[07:30] <indigirl1> DmD, yes, or ftpd
[07:30] <marc74> indigirl1, java runtime environment
[07:30] <indigirl1> DmD, for daemon
[07:30] <DmD> alright
[07:30] <Censorydep> Vieritas, ummm dude, Linux is running...
[07:30] <DmD> ok ftpd is installed
[07:30] <Veritas> alright, well how do I get into the OS then
[07:31] <marc74> hold on, i'm gonna stick my foot in my asss
[07:31] <marc74> ass*
[07:31] <Veritas> I'm just at a command prompt
[07:31] <nickrud> Veritas, type 'whoami'
[07:31] <Veritas> root
[07:31] <indigirl1> DmD, try to login on your machine eg, ftp 127.0.0.1
[07:31] <Censorydep> Veritas, you are *IN* the OS, not sure what you were looking for...
[07:32] <indigirl1> DmD, user: anonymous, password: test@ing.com
[07:32] <nickrud> Veritas, did you do a server install (bear with me, I'm trying to catch up with you)
[07:32] <Veritas> Yes, I did.
[07:32] <Censorydep> Veritas, Linux is a command prompt OS
[07:32] <Echylo> btw what Veritas is saying, that "1 new mail message", how do you check that?
[07:32] <Censorydep> Echylo, >mail
[07:32] <Echylo> ok :)
[07:32] <Censorydep> =)
[07:32] <Echylo> thx
[07:32] <Censorydep> np
[07:32] <Veritas> I'm not in the OS
[07:32] <marc74> don't mind me
[07:33] <crimsun> Censorydep: yes
[07:33] <Veritas> I'm in a command prompt..
[07:33] <Veritas> Like, THAT'S ALL
[07:33] <Censorydep> Veritas, if you can type the command "whoami" and have it give you an anwer, you are IN THE OS.
[07:33] <Veritas> I've used Redhat before... I know what Linux is like
[07:33] <Censorydep> yes, a command prompt is ALL
[07:33] <marc74> i'm new at linux and getting pissed
[07:33] <Censorydep> Ummm, I think you are thinking of XWindows, which is an application that runs on Linux, it is not the OS
[07:33] <jabra> any idea how to fix Unable to connect to IPP host: Success with cups
[07:34] <Censorydep> crimsun, back in a sec, thanks!
[07:34] <Veritas> Censory: .. Quick being stupid, I'm trying to get this to work. You're not being funny.
[07:34] <marc74> i'm sure there is some logic behind it
[07:34] <DmD> hm, it just keeps loading
[07:34] <marc74> am i right?
[07:34] <DmD> but nothing happens
[07:35] <Agrajag> potkettleblack
[07:35] <nickrud> Veritas, did you do a server install?
[07:35] <Veritas> Yes Nick
[07:35] <Censorydep> Veritas, if you installed a server version of Ubuntu, you probably did not install XWindows, so a command prompt is all you get...
[07:35] <Agrajag> Veritas: then you did not install a graphical server
[07:35] <indigirl1> crimsun, in mplayer man page i don't see how to convert audio formats
[07:35] <marc74> what logic should i use?
[07:35] <Veritas> Ugh.
[07:35] <indigirl1> marc74, sarcasm?
[07:35] <Veritas> Well, is there a way to change my installation?
[07:36] <brenton> has anyone here installed OOo2 Base??
[07:36] <marc74> indigirl1, no
[07:36] <nickrud> Veritas, apt-get install x-window-system
[07:36] <marc74> indigirl1, i just wanna learn it
[07:36] <Veritas> http://www.theopencd.org/ubuntu/img/ubuntu1.png
[07:36] <nickrud> that'll get you the basics
[07:36] <indigirl1> marc74, what is your question?
[07:36] <crimsun> indigirl1: search for "oac"
[07:36] <nickrud> then apt-get install fluxbox or ubuntu-desktop or whatever
[07:36] <marc74> indigirl1,same thing as before
[07:36] <DmD> i tried to login -- ftp://anonymous:test@ing.com@127.0.0.1  but it didn't work
[07:37] <marc74> indigirl1, but i rpm'd it and ran alein
[07:37] <Veritas> Nick... You lost me
[07:37] <mojo> howdy folks!  i was wondering... what command or tools can i use to completely copy a partition from one hdd to another?  I have this spiffy 80Gb drive that I just got and want to move some stuff from a 30Gb drive over to it.  Any suggestions?
[07:37] <marc74> indigirl1, what do i do next?
[07:37] <brenton> mojo, i once used a program called partimage... it worked nicely
[07:38] <mojo> partimage?  okay lemme see if it's on the repositories...
[07:38] <marc74> how do i set it up?
[07:39] <DmD> how do i set ftpd up ?
[07:39] <indigirl1> marc74, one sec
[07:39] <marc74> how do i get firefox to work for java?
[07:39] <marc74> indigirl1, ok
[07:39] <DmD> www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:39] <Echylo> http://www.ubuntuguide.org marc74
[07:39] <brenton> mojo, get a burn an image of systemrescueCD or ultimatebootCD
[07:39] <indigirl1> DmD, /etc/init.d/ftpd start
[07:39] <indigirl1> DmD, then attempt to connect on your local machine first
[07:39] <DmD> /etc/init.d/ftpd: No such file or directory
[07:39] <marc74> Echylo, seriously that will help me?
[07:40] <Censorydep> crimsun, no luck :/
[07:40] <Echylo> marc74, with a little sarcasm, everything will help you
[07:40] <Censorydep> DmD, is ftpd installed?
[07:40] <Echylo> btw anyone knows an alternative for pcdj , so a mix program on linux?
[07:40] <crimsun> Censorydep: where is it bombing?
[07:40] <fulldisclosure> :/
[07:40] <DmD> apt-get install ftpd
[07:40] <DmD> Reading package lists... Done
[07:40] <DmD> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:40] <DmD> ftpd is already the newest version
[07:40] <marc74> Echylo, sacrcasm bad truth good
[07:41] <indigirl1> DmD, ftp 127.0.0.1
[07:41] <marc74> impatience = a killer
[07:41] <DmD> i just tried, it keeps loading but nothing happens...
[07:41] <indigirl1> marc74, searching ubuntu.org or google will probably help you faster than me
[07:41] <DmD> ftp://anonymous:test@ing.com@127.0.0.1
[07:41] <marc74> maybe i should reformat and reinstall
[07:41] <Censorydep> crimsun, not sure, is there a log for that I can check?
[07:41] <indigirl1> ubuntu has some good guides
[07:41] <crimsun> Censorydep: /var/log/dmesg
[07:42] <marc74> why isn't there a definate answer?
[07:42] <indigirl1> DmD, try from the command line
[07:42] <indigirl1> marc74, because i haven't found it yet
[07:42] <indigirl1> marc74, i don't think you want to wait for me to find it
[07:42] <indigirl1> marc74, have you tried...
[07:43] <marc74> i wanna make this work
[07:43] <Censorydep> crimsun, apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac)
[07:43] <Censorydep> apm: overridden by ACPI.
[07:43] <DmD> no such file or dir
[07:43] <DmD> ;x
[07:43] <indigirl1> marc74, going to a website that requires java and installing through firefox?
[07:43] <indigirl1> cens0red, use acpi instead of apm
[07:43] <marc74> i have the file and done steps
[07:43] <indigirl1> oops cesnorydep not censored
[07:43] <transgress> i keep getting bad lag spikes... grar
[07:43] <marc74> but how do you set it up and integrate it with firefox?
[07:43] <Censorydep> crimsun, weird, I uninstalled acpi using synaptic. do you think I should disable it in the bios?
[07:44] <crimsun> Censorydep: thought so. Yes.
[07:44] <indigirl1> marc74, have you tried going to a website that requires java and installing through firefox?
[07:44] <fitheach> marc74, does java -version give output?
[07:44] <indigirl1> marc74, using firefox
[07:44] <marc74> i know this isn't impossible
[07:44] <crimsun> Censorydep: (ACPI is compiled as "y", so you can't really remove it, only disable it on boot)
[07:44] <marc74> indigirl1, it says to manually do it
[07:44] <Censorydep> indigirl1, nope, I am my own self.  And, I tried acpi, but was having some difficulties with it.  Since apm worked for me under Warty, I decided to go back.
[07:45] <stuNNed> acpi=off a
[07:45] <marc74> it's like a loop in a program
[07:45] <stuNNed> -a
[07:45] <indigirl1> Censorydep, ok. then   sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:45] <pixil9> ?? jrefirefox
[07:45] <uhelper> jrefirefox: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:45] <marc74> i did many suggestions of ppl in here
[07:46] <marc74> rpm and alien
[07:46] <Censorydep> indigirl1, got that, and I have apm=on on the #kopt line
[07:46] <marc74> what next?
[07:46] <indigirl1> marc74, try uhelper's link
[07:46] <Censorydep> crimsun, how do I disable acpi on boot?
[07:46] <indigirl1> Censorydep, add acpi=off
[07:46] <marc74> how did you do it?
[07:46] <pixil9> ?? jrefirefox > marc74
[07:46] <DmD> anyone have any suggestions of how i can get ftpd to work?
[07:46] <Censorydep> following apm=on?
[07:46] <indigirl1> Censorydep, yes
[07:46] <tbasten> dazzed, hey dude
[07:47] <indigirl1> marc74,  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:47] <Censorydep> stuNNed, what does the "a" do following acpi=off?
[07:47] <tbasten> Anyone here use fluxbox?
[07:48] <indigirl1> tbasten, of course
[07:48] <indigirl1> Censorydep, probably a typo
[07:49] <tbasten> indigirl1, ok. I want to add my own icon into the main menu when i right click. How do i do that
[07:49] <Censorydep> indigirl1, cool, thanks.  going to reboot and give it a try.
[07:49] <Censorydep> crimsun, thanks, will reboot and be back
[07:49] <pixil9> !learn add grub-boot-menu This file is located in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:49] <borgista> a question w/ndiswrapper. Why would 'ndiswrapper -l' say i have the wrong driver if i grabbed it from the CD for the wireless card?
[07:49] <DmD> is there a tut on how to run ftpd?
[07:50] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:50] <marc74> i'm about ready to give someone su rights and install it for me
[07:51] <indigirl1> marc74, did the link not work for you?
[07:51] <marc74> indigirl1, no
[07:51] <DmD> i'm gonna try PureFTPd
[07:51] <marc74> indigirl1, i have a serious problem
[07:51] <indigirl1> borgista, don't use driver from the cd
[07:52] <borgista> indigirl1: where should i put the driver from then?
[07:52] <indigirl1> borgista, which cd do you mean?
[07:52] <da_bon_bon> hey, the ubuntu live cd is SLOW .. man takes ageeess to start :P
[07:52] <borgista> the CD which came with the card
[07:52] <indigirl1> borgista, use the driver from winxp
[07:52] <marc74> indigirl1, i should click on it and it should take me there riight?
[07:52] <pixil9> ** jre
[07:52] <uhelper> Found 1 matches. Sorted: jrefirefox. (0.0s)
[07:52] <borgista> indigirl1: do i search under winxp for it?
[07:52] <indigirl1> marc74, just type the url into your browser
[07:53] <marc74> indigirl1, ok
[07:53] <indigirl1> uhelper, i don't have a jrefirefox package
[07:53] <marc74> indigirl1, can you type it again?
[07:54] <borgista> indigirl1: would you know how to undo 'ndiswrapper -m' with the previous driver i put in?
[07:54] <da_bon_bon> whats jrefirefox ?
[07:54] <indigirl1> marc74, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:54] <indigirl1> marc74, the same page someone told you last night
[07:54] <benplaut> Yippeeee! getting a zaurus :^))
[07:55] <borgista> I'm sorry indigirl1but I'm at a loss as to _where_ to get the driver from.
[07:55] <indigirl1> borgista, if not an uninstall, then manually delete
[07:55] <fulldisclosure> why debian users hate ubuntu?
[07:55] <indigirl1> borgista, i remember a website. google for it
[07:55] <marc74> indigirl1, ok i'm there where do i look for the install?
[07:55] <borgista> i have...been most sites that come up seem sketchy.
[07:55] <benplaut> fulldisclosure: because it removes debian's "macho" look?
[07:55] <borgista> at best.
[07:56] <DmD> can anyone help me with ftpd?
[07:56] <indigirl1> marc74, it should be right under your nose. if not do a find in the webpage for jre
[07:56] <crimsun> DmD: which ftpd?
[07:56] <marc74> i'm about ready to give someone su and let them set it up for me
[07:56] <pixil9> I don't understand the program with the link
[07:56] <indigirl1> borgista, it will be sketchy
[07:57] <pixil9> It explains _exactly_ how to get java working.
[07:57] <indigirl1> borgista, that's where ndis is
[07:57] <fulldisclosure> hehehe
[07:57] <DmD> Setting up ftpd (0.17-18) ...
[07:57] <DmD> Installing new version of config file /etc/ftpusers
[07:57] <borgista> o.k.
[07:57] <marc74> this is fucking difficult
[07:57] <borgista> will try then.
[07:57] <fulldisclosure> benplaut, yes, maybe that the only and big reason
[07:57] <DmD> i installed it using apt-get
[07:57] <borgista> one last question indigirl1: but where would i go to uninstall the binding of wlan0 with the previous driver?
[07:57] <benplaut> fulldisclosure: i wouldn't doubt it for a minute...
[07:57] <indigirl1> marc74, i'm looking at it on the webpage right now     Q: How to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE) with Plug-in for Mozilla Firefox?
[07:57] <darGor> fulldisclosure, yeah that's fucking right and i cannot understand TOO!
[07:58] <indigirl1> marc74, do you not see this same spot?
[07:58] <benplaut> marc74: watch the language ;^)
[07:58] <crimsun> DmD: purge it and install vsftpd
[07:58] <JerryLoko> :P
[07:58] <indigirl1> borgista, maybe the new install will overwrite
[07:58] <DmD> alright
[07:59] <DmD> so alt-get install vsftpd
[07:59] <DmD> ?
[07:59] <JerryLoko> holaaaaaaaaaa
[07:59] <indigirl1> borgista, i think it requires a recompile of your kernel too. are you prepared to do that?
[07:59] <crimsun> DmD: apt-get --purge remove ftpd
[07:59] <crimsun> DmD: then, apt-get install vsftpd
[07:59] <JerryLoko> nadie habla espa;ol :D
[07:59] <borgista> recompile then use ndiswrapper again?
[08:00] <fulldisclosure> benplaut, I used debian for 3 years. And since 1 month I am using Ubuntu 5.04 because Gnome2.10 and Xorg 6.8.2 etc... I never understand me as 'debian user'. Indeed I used that distro because I like it the most, and now, but I am a 'f soft user'. No more.
[08:00] <indigirl1> borgista, no i think a kernel compile needs to use the ndiswrapper source code
[08:00] <marc74> i guess i'm an idiot
[08:01] <indigirl1> fulldisclosure, ubuntu is free
[08:01] <borgista> ok...unfortunately now you've lost me indigirl1
[08:01] <marc74> i can learn complex programming languages,but not linux
[08:01] <fulldisclosure> benplaut, And can't understand why they really -hate- this distro. I like it so much :-)
[08:01] <marc74> lmao @ myself
[08:01] <indigirl1> borgista, try to find a guide on the web, maybe at tldp.com or whatever. it might calm your nerves to setup ndiswrapper
[08:02] <DmD>  Starting FTP server: vsftpd
[08:02] <DmD> so i take it it's installed now
[08:02] <borgista> thank you indigirl1. will do.
[08:02] <Censorydep> indigirl1, that worked, thanks
[08:02] <indigirl1> yea!
[08:02] <Censorydep> crimsun, thanks to you too!
[08:02] <crimsun> np
[08:03] <Censorydep> They must have turned acpi on in the kernel between Warty and Hoary, I didn't have to specifically disable it with Warty
[08:03] <indigirl1> marc74, learning to take the first step as a baby was probably difficult too
[08:03] <pixil9> !learn add forums Official Ubuntu Forums - http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:03] <Censorydep> either that, or it just magically worked before...
[08:03] <marc74> can't someone give me a rundown of what i have to do?
[08:03] <marc74> i'm seen the link a million times
[08:03] <pixil9> marc74, Right click your desktop and open console
[08:03] <pixil9> type everything there
[08:03] <indigirl1> marc74, please tell me you've done what's on the web link
[08:04] <marc74> indigirl1, i have mozilla open
[08:04] <pixil9> Well for one I'd suggest restarting it after you did whats in the link :P
[08:04] <DmD> crmisun, so now how do i add users to the ftp so they can login?
[08:04] <indigirl1> marc74, now go to ubuntuguide.org
[08:04] <DmD> crimsun*
[08:04] <marc74> indigirl1, errrr firefox
[08:04] <Censorydep> exit
[08:04] <stuNNed> Censorydep: nothing, add to the commented out line (keep it commented out) 'acpi=off apm=on' then run 'update-grub' and verify your changes are still there.
[08:04] <indigirl1> marc74, under addon applications, click # 3.
[08:05] <crimsun> DmD: vsftpd is geared toward anonymous usage, but you can easily add virtual users. Please see the documentation.
[08:05] <Censorydep> stuNNed, thanks, will do.
[08:05] <DmD> sudo vsftpd
[08:05] <DmD> 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[08:05] <pixil9> !learn add ntfs To mount and unmount windows partitions (ntfs, fat) - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:05] <indigirl1> DmD, vsftpd is probably already running
[08:06] <indigirl1> DmD, two copies can't run simultaneously
[08:06] <crimsun> DmD: no, use the initscript
[08:06] <DmD> alright
[08:06] <DmD> how can i read the doc?
[08:06] <crimsun> DmD: /etc/init.d/vsftpd
[08:06] <DmD> alright
[08:06] <indigirl1> DmD, /usr/share/doc/vsftd...
[08:06] <DmD> so /etc/init.d/vsftpd start?
[08:06] <indigirl1> yes
[08:06] <DmD> ah
[08:06] <indigirl1> or status to see where it's at
[08:06] <fightingfortofu> how would you uninstall kubuntu?
[08:06] <DmD> what would i do i if didn't find this channel ;)
[08:06] <undre6k> hello all,   Has anybody tried to plug thier PSP in their box with ubuntu
[08:07] <indigirl1> fightingfortofu, sudo apt-get remove kubuntu
[08:07] <fightingfortofu> thanks!
[08:07] <MuStR> anyone know if there is trash for the root user deleting with nautilus?
[08:07] <MuStR> g
[08:07] <DmD>  tarting FTP server: vsftpd
[08:07] <DmD> Starting*
[08:07] <DmD> so it's running
[08:07] <DmD> ..
[08:08] <indigirl1> MuStR, only if setup before the oops deletion
[08:08] <elcu> MuStR: sudo nautilus maybe?
[08:08] <MuStR> yes
[08:08] <pixil9> !learn add bootload To edit services executing on boot please 'man update-rc.d'. Ie. 'update-rc.d -f cron remove' | If you would like to remove the program completely search for it in the synaptic package manager or use dpkg -l |grep <name> followed by apt-get remove <name>.
[08:08] <DmD> /usr/share/doc/vsftd: command not found
[08:08] <MuStR> I'm thinking there is still a way to recover the files
[08:09] <MuStR> my HD space is the same before the deletion
[08:09] <MuStR> *the same as
[08:09] <pixil9> Why don't you load vsftpd in inetd?
[08:09] <crimsun> pixil9: no. bad. idea.
[08:09] <pixil9> o.
[08:09] <DmD> * Starting FTP server: vsftpd
[08:09] <DmD> it's already running i think
[08:10] <DmD> i tried to open the doc but it wasn't found
[08:10] <crimsun> DmD: the documentation is in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/
[08:10] <indigirl1> DmD, that wasn't a command, /usr/share/doc is the folder for documentary for all your programs. under that should be a folder for vsftpd-version
[08:10] <crimsun> (s/-version//g)
[08:10] <indigirl1> crimsun, i doubt he knows regex
[08:11] <DmD> alright i'm in the dir
[08:11] <elcu> MuStR: try sudo nautilus, and then type in trash:
[08:11] <elcu> in the address bar
[08:11] <DmD> i did dir and i see README in there..
[08:13] <DmD> so how would i open the readme file in the terminal?
[08:13] <pixil9> !learn add memory To see total available memory or memory usage per process goto Applications --> System Tools --> System Monitor. Also see 'free' and 'top' in your console if you prefer no GUI.
[08:13] <crimsun> DmD: less, or $EDITOR
[08:14] <MuStR> WHOA I got it
[08:14] <MuStR> elcu: how do you get an address bar?
[08:14] <MuStR> thanks for your help, by the way ;)
[08:14] <elcu> it worked?
[08:14] <elcu> right-click on a folder and select browse folder.
[08:15] <pixil9> !learn add space To check available diskspace type 'df -h' in console. To see the usage of a specific directory type 'du -sh'
[08:15] <DmD> so is it $EDITOR README?
[08:15] <jabra> know how to fix this error from cups "Unable to connect to IPP host: Success"
[08:16] <crimsun> DmD: sure. Try vim, emacs, ...
[08:16] <netsniper> can someone help me get SSHv1 working on an OpenSSH server?
[08:16] <pixil9> Where is the ATI driver instructions?
[08:16] <elcu> DmD: or gedit :)
[08:16] <MuStR> elcu: I clicked places, then seleced trash, but your inout at that moment made me look there
[08:16] <MuStR> elcu: thanks
[08:16] <elcu> np
[08:16] <sm22> hey'
[08:17] <indigirl1> pixil9, on the ati website maybe
[08:17] <DmD> alright i did vim readme and i see a bunch of - lines
[08:17] <sm22> i just put in a soundblaster card in my cpu how do i enable it
[08:18] <pixil9> !learn add ati To install the binary ati drivers please see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:18] <crimsun> sm22: which sb?
[08:18] <sm22> sound blaster audigy
[08:18] <indigirl1> ubuntu does hardware detection on boot right?
[08:18] <crimsun> sm22: hotplug will handle that for you.
[08:18] <sm22> so what do i do
[08:18] <crimsun> sm22: all you'll have to do is adjust the mixer volumes.
[08:18] <stuNNed> hmmm, does hoary installer have ntfsresize built in?
[08:19] <DmD> i see a bunch of ~ lines in the readme doc
[08:19] <sm22> i just put it in.. and i started it up
[08:19] <sm22> and it didnt say anything
[08:20] <DmD> how do i exit vim?  i used to know at one time
[08:20] <sm22> ahh what do i do
[08:20] <crimsun> DmD: ZZ
[08:20] <sm22> whats hot  plug crimsun
[08:20] <danko123456> escape, then ZZ
[08:20] <netsniper> DmD: or :q!
[08:20] <danko123456> Or, :wq
[08:20] <crimsun> sm22: the system takes care of it. All you have to do it boot.
[08:21] <netsniper> wq will write to file
[08:21] <danko123456> or :quit! if you cant exit otherwise.
[08:21] <danko123456> right.
[08:21] <topyli> if you launch vi, you're stuck. you can't exit :)
[08:21] <mpq> dammit
[08:21] <crimsun> sm22: is boot, rather
[08:21] <mpq> my flash is wonky
[08:21] <DmD> neither of those didn't work ;lx
[08:21] <danko123456> none>?
[08:21] <DmD> nope
[08:21] <danko123456> you have to be able to :quit!
[08:21] <mpq> the sound is delayed
[08:21] <crimsun> DmD: that's uppercase ZZ, btw
[08:21] <danko123456> thats an override.
[08:21] <DmD> :wq
[08:21] <DmD> :quit!
[08:21] <DmD> i tried those 2
[08:22] <indigirl1> DmD, wq!
[08:22] <danko123456> you go :, then on the bottom, there will appear:.
[08:22] <indigirl1> :wq!
[08:22] <danko123456> then, you type in quit!, and enter.
[08:22] <DmD> just goes to a new line
[08:22] <DmD> ;x
[08:22] <danko123456> or wq, if you are able, and willing to write the file.
[08:22] <sm22> crimsun what do u mean
[08:22] <DmD> i'll close the terminal
[08:22] <indigirl1> :q!
[08:23] <danko123456> :!!!!
[08:23] <danko123456> :)
[08:23] <indigirl1> or do Ctrl-C or Ctrl-Z
[08:23] <topyli> hrm.
[08:23] <danko123456> hey, crimsun...
[08:23] <sm22> i plugged in the soundblaster
[08:23] <danko123456> why would my sound stop working, by itself?
[08:23] <sm22> how do i know it works
[08:23] <danko123456> I checked the cords, they are fine.
[08:24] <danko123456> All sound is turned on...and playing..
[08:24] <ayen> good day
[08:24] <DmD> hm
[08:24] <danko123456> Then, also, my stereo(which is what I hook it up to...) plays music, on other channels...
[08:24] <bodaciousb> hey everyone, anyone ever used Trillian? its a program that puts AIM, yahoo, msn, icq, all in one program, im looking for something comparable in linux
[08:24] <ayen> can i ask anyone? i have a question
[08:24] <ayen> :P
[08:24] <danko123456> Any idea what I should try?
[08:24] <sm22> ughhh
[08:24] <pixil9> ayen, ask.
[08:24] <sm22> im so lost
[08:24] <sm22> i wish i knew what to do
[08:24] <danko123456> Gaim, bodaciousb
[08:24] <cens0red> ?
[08:24] <ayen> anyone who uses toshiba tecra510cdt?
[08:24] <topyli> bodaciousb: gaim
[08:24] <cens0red> someone called?
[08:24] <danko123456> gaim.sourceforge.net
[08:24] <bodaciousb> it does it all
[08:25] <ayen> i like to install ubuntu
[08:25] <bodaciousb> i didnt know that hehe
[08:25] <danko123456> yup
[08:25] <danko123456> You use that, right?
[08:25] <bodaciousb> well ill give it a try =)
[08:25] <pablo928>  bodaciousb, try gaim
[08:25] <bodaciousb> i thought it was jsut AIM, i never fired it before though
[08:25] <mpq> I need help
[08:25] <danko123456> whats up?
[08:25] <topyli> bodaciousb: it does them all
[08:25] <bodaciousb> wow, thanks guys
[08:25] <ayen> it;s just that i cannot boot it up from my cd rom
[08:25] <ayen> :(
[08:25] <mpq> flash doesn't work right on my computer
[08:26] <danko123456> and you installed it how?
[08:26] <crimsun> sm22: well are your speakers plugged into it?
[08:26] <bodaciousb> Very soon im going to move windows to my lowly 40gig second harddrive... and jsut use it for lan parties
[08:26] <bodaciousb> im almost converted!
[08:26] <crimsun> sm22: or at least headphones?
[08:26] <sm22> my speakers are attached to my monitor
[08:26] <ayen> hello? anyone can help me?
[08:26] <danko123456> mpq: this way: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla ?
[08:26] <sm22> my computer doesnt even recognize the card yet
[08:26] <sm22> is tehre some sort of command
[08:26] <crimsun> sm22: and how are the speakers attached to the sound card?
[08:26] <danko123456> ayen, what, your CD dont boot?
[08:26] <daile> ayen: have you change your BIOS setting to boot CD first?
[08:26] <danko123456> whats the CD?
[08:26] <sm22> to the monitor
[08:27] <sm22> oh theres a cord
[08:27] <sm22> that plugs into the monitor
[08:27] <sm22> and the sound card
[08:27] <sm22> but the problem is
[08:27] <ayen> hi daile
[08:27] <sm22> i dont see the sound card on the output of lspci
[08:27] <daile> ayen: hi
[08:27] <ayen> it does not have that option
[08:27] <ayen> just hdd and fdd
[08:27] <ayen> :)
[08:27] <ayen> :(
[08:27] <daile> ayen: Oh I c!!!!
[08:27] <mpq> it didn't work
[08:27] <danko123456> try alsamixer, sm22...play arounf withthe little columns in it...and it may work...
[08:28] <ayen> thats why
[08:28] <danko123456> that did not work?
[08:28] <ayen> if only i can boot it with my cd
[08:28] <danko123456> mpq: the ubuntuguide instructions did not work?
[08:28] <sm22> isnt there a plug and play
[08:28] <topyli> what a sucky bios
[08:28] <sm22> danko
[08:28] <sm22> like a command that looks for new hardware
[08:28] <danko123456> sory, lost you there.
[08:28] <daile> ayen: that's weird, are you sure you already read the BIOS manual for your mother board?
[08:28] <mpq> it said there wasn't a package
[08:28] <pixil9> mpq, Did you restart firefox?
[08:28] <danko123456> oh, no...it all gets automatically comfigured, as far as I know.
[08:29] <mpq> yes
[08:29] <ayen> daile , it was just given to me
[08:29] <mpq> same problem
[08:29] <crimsun> sm22: what exact model sb is it?
[08:29] <Raskall> I have a potential customer asking for the minimum requirements for running Ubuntu. Anyone know where I can find a link and send to him?
[08:29] <ayen> it's an old model
[08:29] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories, mpq...
[08:29] <ayen> but it runs win 95
[08:29] <mpq> I already have universe enabled
[08:29] <danko123456> is it a PC, mpq?
[08:29] <sm22> Soundblaster Audigy sb1394
[08:29] <topyli> ayen: the older the better, it's bound to be supported :)
[08:29] <mpq> yes
[08:29] <danko123456> k, add the repos, and try again.
[08:29] <sm22> what are repos
[08:29] <ayen> hi topyli
[08:30] <danko123456> it is known to work, to the best of my knowledge...
[08:30] <rixth> Ubuntu will not install. It complains something about bsdutils. Wtf. I downloaded the ISO TWICE fro differnet mirrors cause I thought it might be mme.
[08:30] <ayen> that's why i want it to be a linux laptop
[08:30] <ayen> heheheeh
[08:30] <danko123456> sm22: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories,
[08:30] <ayen> anyone knows toshibe hardware?
[08:30] <daile> ayen: hehe, yeah some old model is hard to change the setting to boot CD first, but yeah you should search for your model of motherboard online and search google for CD booting problem. Maybe there will be some help from some posts in some discussion forum. LOL
[08:30] <ayen> unfortunately there so little info
[08:30] <danko123456> ayen: wow, a PC that dont boot from a CD by default...
[08:30] <ayen> ive already searched
[08:31] <crimsun> sm22: 1394? firewire sound cards are not well-supported at all.
[08:31] <crimsun> sm22: in fact, they just won't work.
[08:31] <danko123456> crimsun: do you have any ideas on my issue?
[08:31] <ayen> bios upgrade i think would be an answer
[08:31] <sm22> WHAT?
[08:31] <sm22> ARE YOU SERIOUS
[08:31] <crimsun> danko123456: sorry, billion things going on. What is your issue?
[08:31] <danko123456> probably
[08:31] <ayen> but do they support older hardware?
[08:31] <danko123456> thats cool
[08:31] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:31] <sm22> crimsun are you sure
[08:31] <Dreamer3> how is breezy?
[08:31] <sm22> my soundblaster wont work
[08:31] <Dreamer3> should i upgradE?
[08:32] <topyli> no
[08:32] <daile> ayen: how old is your computer? 5 years old?
[08:32] <crimsun> sm22: if the _sole_ transport is ieee1394, then no, the card is not supported.
[08:32] <confused_in_ct> Hi - I'm just installing Ubuntu on my very old Dell laptop.  Video is correctly recognized but only 640x480 and 800x600 resolution are displayed  This card/display should show 1024x768.  any advice?
[08:32] <ayen> hmm. i dont know
[08:32] <sm22> dude thats bull crap
[08:32] <ayen> its a toshiba tecra510cdt
[08:32] <danko123456> sound stopped working, everything hooked up...my alsamixer looks fine...my sound works for other music on the same speakers(an amp I hook it up to..)
[08:32] <Quinn_Storm> confused_in_ct: try a lower color depth?
[08:32] <crimsun> sm22: if however the card is a usb or a pci one that happens to have 1394 connectors additionally, then it will work
[08:32] <confused_in_ct> where is that color depth choice made?
[08:32] <sm22> oh
[08:33] <sm22> should i try reinstalling ubuntu
[08:33] <danko123456> the songs play in xmms, and all
[08:33] <Dreamer3> confused_in_ct: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:33] <marc74> what is wrong with giving me lfl for what i am trying to do?
[08:33] <ayen> hi again :)
[08:33] <danko123456> should I just look for a hardware reason?
[08:33] <danko123456> i checked the cables I thinks.
[08:33] <marc74> BASH
[08:33] <danko123456> nos.
[08:33] <danko123456> no s
[08:33] <confused_in_ct> will try
[08:33] <mpq> all that and it still doesn't work right
[08:33] <mpq> the sound is delayed
[08:33] <danko123456> what page?
[08:34] <crimsun> sm22: no, no need. First tell me how your sound card is connected.
[08:34] <Quinn_Storm> mpq: that's a symptom of using something like esd
[08:34] <mpq> how do I turn it off?
[08:34] <marc74> i used rpm and alien
[08:34] <sm22> it is connected to the mother board
[08:34] <marc74> what next?
[08:34] <marc74> someone help me
[08:34] <sm22> its a slot in the background
[08:34] <crimsun> danko123456: ah, so something's muted.
[08:35] <crimsun> danko123456: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[08:35] <sm22> i mean in the back of the pu
[08:35] <sm22> *cpu
[08:35] <marc74> what is this the first time it has been done?
[08:35] <crimsun> sm22: k, so it's pci
[08:35] <crimsun> sm22: what are the contents of /proc/asound/cards ?
[08:35] <bodaciousb> anyone know where i can find linux native games??? good ones like ut4 is, americas army.... so on
[08:35] <sm22> whats that
[08:35] <mpq> argh
[08:35] <crimsun> sm22: open a terminal and type, cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:36] <rixth> Whats the tool to use to burn an Ubuntu ISO in XP without getting the BSDUtils error? I never had to put up with shit likes this from Debian...
[08:36] <mpq> sound in flash didn't work
[08:36] <mpq> someone gave me a fix
[08:36] <crimsun> sm22: then paste the contents onto http://pastebin.com or into #flood
[08:36] <mpq> and now the sound is more fucked up
[08:36] <crimsun> mpq: using esd or alsa, and with firefox?
[08:36] <marc74> i thought this was ubuntu
[08:36] <sm22> no such file or directory
[08:36] <mpq> I think it was esd
[08:36] <danko123456> crimsun: thanks http://pastebin.com/277418
[08:36] <mpq> and firefox
[08:36] <mpq> all the sound in flash is delayed now
[08:36] <marc74> aren't there other ubuntu users that installed jre before?
[08:36] <crimsun> mpq: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[08:36] <mpq> I did that
[08:36] <danko123456> marc
[08:36] <mpq> that's what fucked it up
[08:37] <danko123456> marc74: whats up, JRE not working?
[08:37] <crimsun> mpq: are you using an .asoundrc?
[08:37] <crimsun> mpq: if so, get rid of it
[08:37] <marc74> if not i'm gonna go to sleep and not ask anymore
[08:37] <mpq> I don't know what that is
[08:37] <marc74> JRE = java realtime environment
[08:37] <crimsun> mpq: well if you're sure that's what caused the problem, revert your change
[08:37] <sm22> ughh
[08:37] <danko123456> crimsun: thats a long output...
[08:37] <crimsun> danko123456: yes, sec
[08:38] <marc74> danko123456, i
[08:38] <danko123456> marc74: I know, is it not working?
[08:38] <mpq> how do I do that?
[08:38] <crimsun> sm22: ok, then paste the output of lsmod
[08:38] <crimsun> sm22: onto http://pastebin.com
[08:38] <marc74> danko123456, sorry, i'm stuck
[08:38] <danko123456> marc74: thats fine...
[08:38] <crimsun> mpq: erase the libesd.so.1 symlink
[08:38] <marc74> danko123456, what do i do after running alien?
[08:38] <danko123456> for which?
[08:38] <danko123456> what are you installing, just a JRe?
[08:39] <marc74> just basic java runtime environment
[08:39] <crimsun> danko123456: your PCM is muted.
[08:39] <danko123456> on a pc, marc?
[08:39] <sm22> what does that site do crimsun
[08:39] <marc74> i'm a noob
[08:39] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:39] <marc74> yes running ubuntu
[08:39] <danko123456> sm22: IT LETS you paste a long message
[08:39] <danko123456> so you do not overcrowd the chatroom.
[08:40] <mpq> it won't let me delete it
[08:40] <danko123456> crimsun: what caused that? what did I do?
[08:40] <crimsun> mpq: with sudo.
[08:40] <mpq> I don't know how to delete in the terminal
[08:40] <crimsun> danko123456: no idea, but unmuting it should fix that.
[08:40] <marc74> i have a serious problem here
[08:40] <marc74> i've followed the directions
[08:40] <danko123456> marc74: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:40] <danko123456> that will tell you how to install it, scratch the previous what you were doing.
[08:40] <marc74> scroll up; danko
[08:41] <danko123456> all those directions?
[08:41] <marc74> SERIOUS PROBLEM here
[08:41] <danko123456> It does install a JRE, to the best of my knowledge...
[08:41] <pixil9> ?? jre
[08:41] <uhelper> jre: To simply enable java in firefox see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre -OR- If you wish to install java as a package please download the 'java-package' through synaptic or apt-get. Proceed by downloading the JRE linux bin from http://java.sun.com/ (either 1.4.2 or newer). Use the command 'make-jpkg linux1.4.2.bin' as an example. Then install with 'dpkg -i linux1.4.2.deb'
[08:41] <marc74> maybe i should reformat and reiinstall linux
[08:41] <sm22> ok i pasted it
[08:41] <sm22> yo crimsun
[08:42] <sm22> i think im just gonna reinstall ubuntu
[08:42] <crimsun> sm22: there's no need to do that.
[08:42] <danko123456> marc74: nothing in your previous sentences gives me more info, sorry...
[08:42] <sm22> yeah but its a sure way isnt it
[08:42] <danko123456> crimsun: you dont know what command I might have used to mute it? then how do I unmute it?
[08:42] <crimsun> sm22: no, it's not a sure way.
[08:42] <marc74> danko123456, i did rpm and alien,, what next?
[08:42] <danko123456> why did you do that?
[08:42] <crimsun> danko123456: you might have muted it accidentally using some mixer program
[08:43] <marc74> danko123456, r\pm*
[08:43] <crimsun> danko123456: you can use any mixer program to unmute PCM
[08:43] <danko123456> strange...
[08:43] <crimsun> I prefer alsamixer myself, but that's just me
[08:43] <sm22> soo whats the next step crimsun
[08:43] <danko123456> in alsamixer...my PCM is at 77
[08:44] <crimsun> danko123456: but it's muted. You need to press 'm' so the MM disappears.
[08:44] <danko123456> marc74: no RPMs in those instructions...
[08:44] <crimsun> sm22: you said your multimedia audio card doesn't appear in lspci?
[08:45] <sm22> yeah
[08:45] <sm22> but thats cuz i just put it in
[08:45] <mpq> and now there's no sound in flash
[08:45] <danko123456> thanks much, Crimsun...I knew I could count on you:) strange that I muted it...I never knew the m command...
[08:45] <danko123456> marc74: have you tried those instructions: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre ???
[08:45] <simonc> I just installed ubuntu but I
[08:46] <crimsun> mpq: are you using esd?
[08:46] <simonc> 'm having lots of trouble getting it to start up
[08:46] <mpq> I don't know
[08:46] <crimsun> sm22: "just" meaning...?
[08:46] <simonc> anyone care to help?
[08:46] <mpq> I wish I wasn't
[08:46] <danko123456> simonc: start what up?
[08:46] <mpq> all it does is screw stuff up
[08:46] <crimsun> mpq: so don't use esd if it annoys you
[08:46] <marc74> danko123456, yes
[08:46] <sm22> crimsun: ?
[08:46] <mpq> I don't know how not to use it
[08:46] <crimsun> mpq: tell gstreamer-properties to use alsa for the output sink
[08:46] <fitheach> simonc, may be you just tell us, what problems you have. :)
[08:46] <marc74> danko123456, i am at a loss
[08:46] <danko123456> and there is no alien there, and no RPM in there...
[08:46] <crimsun> mpq: then tell each audio application to use alsa
[08:46] <simonc> ok well it starts to load up, runs initrd
[08:46] <simonc> then prints out savedefault
[08:47] <simonc> and boot
[08:47] <crimsun> sm22: what do you mean by "just"?
[08:47] <mpq> I have no clue how to do that
[08:47] <danko123456> so, the startup dont work?
[08:47] <crimsun> mpq: I just told you...
[08:47] <simonc> then it just hangs there with a blinking underscore
[08:47] <mpq> I don't know how
[08:47] <danko123456> gstreamer-properties
[08:47] <crimsun> mpq: System>Preferences>MultiMedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink>ALSA
[08:47] <sm22> crimsun: i just put the soundcard in...after i installed ubuntu
[08:47] <simonc> if you leave it for about an hour and a half it will eventually start up again and load into ubuntu
[08:47] <simonc> any idea what's going on?
[08:47] <danko123456> mpq: gstreamer-properties
[08:47] <danko123456> in a terminal.
[08:47] <crimsun> mpq: then you'll need to configure each audio program to use ALSA instead of ESD
[08:47] <bodaciousb> hey guys, i cant remember..... i have amreica's army in a .run file, how do i install it?
[08:48] <sm22> crimsun: before i had an on board soundcard but it didnt seem to work
[08:48] <fitheach> simonc, not really...
[08:48] <crimsun> sm22: but you've rebooted into Ubuntu after you installed the sb, correct?
[08:48] <sm22> yes
[08:48] <simonc> crap
[08:48] <danko123456> which entry does it hang at?
[08:48] <rixth> bodaciousb, chmod a+x *file* ./*file*
[08:48] <danko123456> simonc:
[08:48] <crimsun> sm22: ok, so paste the output of lspci there, too
[08:48] <sm22> i did
[08:48] <danko123456> chmod a+x *file*&&./*file*
[08:48] <sm22> and it didnt detect anything
[08:49] <crimsun> sm22: you did? I only see your lsmod paste.
[08:49] <danko123456> simonc`which entry does it hang on?
[08:49] <simonc> right after initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386 [Linux- blablabla]  savedefault boot <it hangs here>
[08:49] <bodaciousb> rixth, thank you
[08:49] <mpq> I don't know how to change sound settings
[08:49] <mpq> I did that gstreamer thing but it didn't work
[08:49] <danko123456> not at synchronizing clock to ntp....
[08:49] <crimsun> mpq: did you pkill esd?
[08:49] <tbasten> dazzed, you there dude
[08:49] <mpq> yes
[08:49] <sm22> crimsun: ok i put it there
[08:50] <mpq> it still isn't working
[08:50] <danko123456> mpq: you wrote gstreamer-properties in a terminal.?
[08:50] <crimsun> mpq: how are you testing?
[08:50] <mpq> yes
[08:50] <mpq> crimsun: a flash game
[08:50] <crimsun> sm22: you don't appear to have allocated an irq to the sound card(s)
[08:50] <sm22> crimsun: what does mean
[08:50] <sm22> *that mean
[08:51] <crimsun> sm22: that means you need to tweak settings in bios
[08:51] <sm22> how
[08:51] <FeJaOr> how can I configure well my Microsoft Internet Keyboard? some of the keys don't match with the display....
[08:51] <crimsun> sm22: in bios (when you reboot), make sure the audio cards (or their pci slots, rather) are given irqs
[08:51] <sm22> and how do i do that
[08:52] <sm22> oh wait
[08:52] <sm22> i think i know what you mean
[08:52] <sm22> the bios when you have to push f11 or something
[08:52] <danko123456> del, usually.
[08:52] <wgandhi> how do i configure middle mouse button click on the desktop?
[08:52] <danko123456> at startup...
[08:52] <FeJaOr> how can I configure well my Microsoft Internet Keyboard? some of the keys don't match with the display....
[08:52] <bodaciousb> how od install a .runf ile? the other guy gave me bad info
[08:53] <sm22> ok im rebooting
[08:54] <danko123456> .runf?
[08:54] <Levander> FeJaOr: try, System -> Keyboard -> Layouts -> Keyboard Model
[08:54] <revelater> how hard is it to get a usb drive to work in ubuntu? i am thinking of getting one...
[08:54] <pablo928> FeJaOr, system/preferences/keyboard shortcuts
[08:54] <revelater> pen drive thingys
[08:55] <abarbaccia> hey guys - anybody here use beagle
[08:55] <Levander> FeJaOr: Microst Internet Keyboard is one of the options in that dialog
[08:55] <revelater> i killed a beagle once
[08:55] <revelater> does that count
[08:55] <FeJaOr> the problem is that my microsoft internet keyboard is in spanish....
[08:55] <revelater> ?
[08:55] <danko123456> revelater: usually easy...
[08:55] <revelater> >|
[08:56] <revelater> do i just have to plug it in and it is detected or what?
[08:56] <mpq> oh
[08:56] <mpq> it's working
[08:56] <danko123456> usually, I would think
[08:56] <danko123456> heh
[08:56] <danko123456> he left...
[08:56] <revelater> that isn't reassuring me very much
[08:56] <Levander> FeJaOr: that's a problem
[08:56] <danko123456> revelater: you know...
[08:56] <Levander> FeJaOr: you don't wnat to change the language that you view on the screen also?
[08:56] <FeJaOr> and I don't have a correct layout for this type of keyboard
[08:56] <revelater> no i don't
[08:56] <danko123456> I just bought a nikon camera...
[08:57] <revelater> thats why i am here :P
[08:57] <danko123456> and, PNP it works.
[08:57] <FeJaOr> I have the language changed too
[08:57] <danko123456> A brand new model, too.
[08:57] <FeJaOr> but still....
[08:57] <rixth> When I try to install Ubuntu, I get a DeBootstrap error. It's missing BSD utils. I've downloaded the ISO twice from two different mirrors. What the hell do it do? I never had to put up with this shit from Debian.
[08:57] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, yes beagle is great
[08:57] <undre61> quick Ques: whats the best ftp server prog to use on ubuntu
[08:57] <revelater> and beagles taste good too
[08:58] <danko123456> FeJaOr: you tried changing the keyboard settings?
[08:58] <revelater> ..
[08:58] <rixth> undre61, proftpd
[08:58] <jsgotangco> instant BOF
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:58] <undre61> ok
[08:58] <danko123456> revelater: you get my point, though?
[08:58] <undre61> tanks
[08:58] <revelater> when you kill something you don't jsut leave it there to rot...
[08:58] <pablo928> undre61, i use gftp
[08:58] <rixth> When I try to install Ubuntu, I get a DeBootstrap error. It's missing BSD utils. I've downloaded the ISO twice from two different mirrors. What the hell do I do?
[08:58] <FeJaOr> yes...
[08:58] <revelater> danko123456: not sure, but it should be easy then?
[08:58] <danko123456> gftp is a client only, right?
[08:58] <rixth> I've tried buring it as RAW-DAO (I only have acces to Xp right now..)
[08:58] <bob2> rixth: have you checked the md5sum?
[08:59] <revelater> does anyone here have a portable usb drive that works?
[08:59] <danko123456> yeah, I mean, it is a USB drive inside the camera...and a USB key is less sophisticated than a camera...
[08:59] <crimsun> revelater: yes
[08:59] <bob2> revelater: almost all of them should work
[08:59] <marc74> my error is that JRE is not package
[08:59] <undre61> I want someone from a M$ box to d/l from me would there be any imediate problems
[08:59] <revelater> anything special i should know first (incantations, fasting, burning of incense) or the like
[08:59] <revelater> ?
[08:59] <danko123456> marc74: what do you mean it is not a package?
[09:00] <danko123456> its a .bin?
[09:00] <crimsun> revelater: what's not functional?
[09:00] <abarbaccia> zerokarmaleft, i have a question - can i enable email scanning of thunderbird?
[09:00] <FeJaOr> but still having the same problem with the keys
[09:00] <bob2> revelater: just make sure it's usb-storage
[09:00] <abarbaccia> because i've really grown to like thunderbird in the past few weeks and don't really feel like switching back to evolution
[09:00] <FeJaOr> and theyre not so much keys, they are like at max 10 of them
[09:00] <marc74> probaly  danko123456 is it>
[09:00] <revelater> crimsun, just wondering if there is some long and complicated mounting process to get one working, i am planning on getting one
[09:00] <danko123456> I dont know, its on your computer.
[09:00] <rixth> God dammit. #ubuntu is worthless, worse than #debian.
[09:00] <danko123456> revelater: no, should not be.
[09:00] <marc74> danko123456, what do i have to do?
[09:00] <bob2> revelater: plug it in and gnome-volume-manager should Just Work
[09:01] <danko123456> bob2: rixth: have you checked the md5sum?
[09:01] <revelater> bob2 i don't use gnome
[09:01] <danko123456> did you answer that?
[09:01] <bob2> revelater: what do you use then?
[09:01] <revelater> the little FB
[09:01] <marc74> java has a copyright
[09:01] <danko123456> marc74: please go to the folder where the file is, and, type in ls, in a terminal all this.
[09:01] <pablo928> revelater:i use a nikon 3200 , it's detected as a hard drive
[09:01] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, beagled should have a switch to enable mail indexing for thunderbird...no guarantees on if the backend is complete though, i don't use thunderbird
[09:02] <revelater> bob2, fluxbox
[09:02] <bcowan> there a known problem with the install breaking on gthumb?
[09:02] <danko123456> tell me what folder it is too, and what the exact name of the file is.
[09:02] <da_bon_bon> rixth: md5sum it ?
[09:02] <revelater> gnome was using up too much ram and crashing to often for my taste
[09:02] <marc74> danko123456, i give up
[09:02] <revelater> and doesn't look cool enough either :P
[09:03] <danko123456> dude, you never tried...relax, get a cup of hot chocolate, and come tell me what folder, and file name it is.
[09:03] <marc74> danko123456 I have it
[09:03] <danko123456> thanks.
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> rixth: wait for shipit ?
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> rixth: try the cds on a friends machine ?
[09:03] <bob2> revelater: then you will need to do it manually
[09:03] <bob2> revelater: or at least run gnome-volume-manager
[09:03] <revelater> :P
[09:03] <revelater> guess i could do that
[09:03] <marc74> is it a secret or something?
[09:03] <revelater> how hard would it be to do it manually?
[09:03] <abarbaccia> zerokarmaleft, what do you mean a "switch"
[09:04] <danko123456> a command would be needed, revelater
[09:04] <bob2> revelater: just run the command somewhere
[09:04] <danko123456> whats a secret, Marc?
[09:04] <marc74> WHAT DO I DO AFTER I USED RPM AND ALIEN?
[09:04] <bob2> marc74: please stop it
[09:04] <revelater> i mean what point would i mount for a usb drive?
[09:04] <bob2> marc74: people will not help you if you're going to continue to be annoying
[09:04] <daniels> marc74: please calm down.
[09:04] <bob2> marc74: are you following the web page I gave you?
[09:04] <danko123456> he never tried, it seems.
[09:05] <marc74> sorry
[09:05] <danko123456> eek, a spy...
[09:05] <danko123456> :)
[09:05] <revelater> a spy?!?
[09:05] <revelater> YOUUSHHH
[09:05] <bcowan> whats short read in buffer_copy error?
[09:06] <bob2> bcowan: when reading a CD?
[09:06] <bcowan> no
[09:06] <danko123456>  [~knoppix@cpe...
[09:06] <bob2> bcowan: when doing...
[09:06] <bcowan> during dpkg --unpack
[09:06] <karsten> AMD64 port:  is OpenOffice.org ported yet?  Looks like Debian's Not Yet There.
[09:06] <bob2> bcowan: the package is corrupt
[09:06] <IIIEars> bcowans - k3b?
[09:06] <bob2> karsten: the amd64 port uses the 32-bit i386 openoffice
[09:06] <IIIEars> ah never mind
[09:06] <bcowan> no gthumb
[09:06] <bob2> karsten: the problem is that upstream is Not Yet There
[09:07] <karsten> ...and does Ubuntu AMD64 install an ia32 chroot?
[09:07] <bob2> bcowan: are you installing from a CD?
[09:07] <karsten> bob2: Dig.
[09:07] <bob2> karsten: no
[09:07] <stuNNed> bob2: is ntfsresize app ship with hoary?
[09:07] <karsten> bob2: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274293
[09:07] <bob2> stuNNed: it's in the installer
[09:07] <bcowan> bob2: I already installed but it had errors
[09:07] <karsten> bob2: Claim is that AMD64 is pure, ia32 needs chroot env.
[09:07] <revelater> g2g, cya
[09:07] <stuNNed> bob2: what's the rules?  defrag the ntfs partition before start the installer is all?
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> daniels: he quit
[09:08] <bcowan> guess I'll wipe and try again
[09:08] <bob2> karsten: the Debian and Ubuntu amd64 ports will run i386 binaries, but dpkg has no support for installing 32-bit libraries on an amd64 machine
[09:08] <danko123456> who quit?
[09:08] <karsten> bob2: OK...
[09:08] <bob2> karsten: ia32-libs includes a bunch of basic libs you need
[09:08] <karsten> bob2: That contradicts Debian docs:  The current amd64 port of debian is a pure 64bit port. This means you can't run binary only programs which are compiled for IA32 or applications which haven't been ported to AMD64 yet
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> hey, i just got ubuntu live cd. the hibernate function - is it of any use on a live cd ?
[09:08] <danko123456> da_bon_bon: who quit?
[09:08] <bob2> karsten: so some 32-bit stuff will run, but more compilcated things will need a chroot
[09:09] <karsten> bob2: Dig.
[09:09] <bob2> karsten: the page is simplifying things.
[09:09] <bob2> danko123456: I doubt it
[09:09] <karsten> bob2: IRC is _so_ much more complete ;-)
[09:09] <bob2> stuNNed: I'm not sure, sorry, I've never used it
[09:09] <danko123456> doubt what?
[09:09] <bob2> bcowan: make sure your CD is ok
[09:09] <danko123456> I got lost ther.
[09:09] <bob2> danko123456: sorry, not you
[09:09] <danko123456> heh
[09:09] <karsten> bob2: Alternatively, can I install ia32 on an AMD64?
[09:09] <danko123456> cool
[09:09] <bob2> da_bon_bon: I'd be surprised if it works.
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> what does marc74 want to do ?
[09:09] <bob2> karsten: yes
[09:09] <ashche> is ubuntu shipping  GCC 4?
[09:09] <karsten> bob2: kthx
[09:09] <bob2> karsten: woody will not work, though, it's too old to support much amd64 hardware.
[09:09] <crimsun> ashche: for Breezy.
[09:10] <bob2> ashche: breezy includes it
[09:10] <Dethread> ashche, it's available...
[09:10] <rixth> Look please guys. Why won't Ubtuntu install? I get an error bout BSDUtils, I've downloaded the ISO from different mirrors, and each time, the MD5 sums were different. I'm trying to burn using XP as thats all I have available. I WAS using Debian. How can I get a working ISO (don't suggest slower burn seed)
[09:10] <danko123456> I got him in private, da_bon_bon
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> danko123456: rixth
[09:10] <karsten> bob2: <coff>
[09:10] <stuNNed> bob2: i.e: we're having an install fest here soon and would like to use ubuntu but i'm sure some will need their ntfs partitions resized and wanted to know the integrity of the progam.
[09:10] <bob2> ashche: but breezy is pretty screwed
[09:10] <bob2> rixth: dude
[09:10] <karsten> bob2: As if I would anyway ;-)
[09:10] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, don't think there's support for thunderbird yet
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> danko123456: ok
[09:10] <bob2> rixth: if the md5sum isn't correct, don't even bother trying to install.  it will not work.
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> bob2: what does hibernate do ? same as in xp ?
[09:10] <bob2> rixth: the MD5SUM file in the dir contains the correct one
[09:10] <threat> hey
[09:10] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes
[09:10] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, just evolution
[09:10] <threat> da_bon_bon, I assume so
[09:10] <Dethread> I tried 4.0 for a project at school, and it didn't work too well....3.4 is still great for whatever might come up
[09:10] <bob2> stuNNed: guess you'll have to test it :-0
[09:11] <bob2> 3.4 for C++ stuff is complicated
[09:11] <bob2> ie it will not work if you use libraries
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: eghad k :D
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> bob2: great! but one hibernate + switch on != on restart , right ?
[09:11] <rixth> bob2, Well why the hell is it. I downloaded from two different mirrors, the two version sI downloaded have the same MD5s but they differ from the MD%SUM file on both mirrors.
[09:11] <bob2> da_bon_bon: sure.
[09:11] <bob2> rixth: then your connection is screwed
[09:11] <bob2> rixth: use rsync to fix it.
[09:12] <Quinn_Storm> rixth: are you using ftp to download it? or http?
[09:12] <abarbaccia> zerokarmaleft, thats a bummer for me i guess
[09:12] <rixth> Bob2, I'm not using Linux right now. I know Im totally fucked off though, after downloading two ISOs on a slow connection only to have them crap out.
[09:12] <abarbaccia> zerokarmaleft, you experiment with the desktop yet?
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> rixth: did u use md5sum ?
[09:12] <karsten> bob2: Does AMD64 support 386 virtual machine, dosemu, etc.?
[09:13] <bob2> rixth: well, I'm sorry, but your broken connection is not an ubuntu problem :-)
[09:13] <bob2> karsten: how do you mean?  the cpu itself can run i386 code directly.  an i386 chroot will let you use apt to install 32-bit apps etc.
[09:13] <rixth> bob2, never had to put up with this from Debian.
[09:14] <karsten> bob2: I know it's arch dependent.  I was wondering if the CPU itself still supprted the 386 virtual machine.
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> rixth: because debian != ubuntu, maybe ?
[09:14] <danko123456> I am putting out butts in a PIzza box...not a good idea, I tell you.
[09:14] <karsten> rixth: Trust:  installing from a bad burn / d/l breaks just as badly in Debian as Ubuntu.
[09:14] <rixth> Okay. Is there anyway to install from an ISO over a network? Or a pool from over a network?
[09:15] <bob2> rixth: http://tinyurl.com/9x79n
[09:15] <karsten> danko123456: Keep 'em in your pants kthx.
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> rixth: are u familiar with bittorrent ?
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> rixth: then i can help u and u dont need to get the iso again
[09:16] <rixth> da_don_bon, yes, I loave it.
[09:16] <rixth> bob2, is that REALLY the easiest way to do a NetInst
[09:17] <karsten> rixth: Is that love or loath?
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> rixth: do this. get a torrent for the desired cd
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> rixth: start the download.
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> rixth: when it says "connectiong to peer" cancel it
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> rixth: that way, u will get a folder and a 0 kb cd iso
[09:17] <rixth> da_bon_bon, no. loave means I HATE it.
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> rixth: oh
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> wasted my typing!!
[09:17] <rixth> It goes terribly slow, i think my ISp may block the ports.
[09:18] <undre61> Quick Ques: whats the best ftp client for ubuntu?
[09:18] <rixth> da_bon_bon, nothing against you, I just find it slow.
[09:18] <danko123456> not likely, rixth
[09:18] <revelater> hey, every time i start xine, i get the last large picture loaded in firefox in the window while it is starting.. is there a reason why?
[09:18] <stuNNed> rixth: loath i think you mean?
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> rixth: even if u need to get 2 mb ?
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> ~1mb ?
[09:18] <karsten> bob2: BTW, in your copious free time, if you want to disabuse me of any misconceptions:  http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Apr-2005/msg00052.html
[09:18] <revelater> ohh, i should be asking in the fluxbox channel shouldn't i....
[09:18] <stuNNed> loathe eve
[09:18] <stuNNed> even*
[09:18] <Quinn_Storm> revelater: actually this is the ubuntu channel :-P
[09:18] <undre61> Quick Ques: whats the best ftp client for ubuntu?
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> rixth: then make a iso image of ur cd. and replace that iwth the 0kb one. then allow bittorrent to download what it wants. that way u will get a perfect cd iso
[09:19] <revelater> right, but i am using fluxbox
[09:19] <abarbaccia> undre61, if you want a quick ftp client- add the plugin to firefox
[09:19] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, ya i did when i still had warty installed until inotify/gamin became unstable...installed fresh from hoary array 5 and haven't gotten around to setting it up again
[09:19] <abarbaccia> zerokarmaleft, can you explain to me how to do it if you got time?
[09:19] <undre61> abarbaccia : Coool
[09:20] <abarbaccia> undre61, after it installs, just go to tools, then click the FTP and it opens a client in a new tab!
[09:20] <undre61> bery bery nice
[09:20] <danko123456> is it ssh -l username ip?
[09:20] <bob2> undre61: nautilus (the file manager) can do that
[09:20] <rj-away> ssh -l user host or ssh user@host
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> danko yes
[09:20] <danko123456> thanks.
[09:21] <danko123456> hes away, too:)
[09:21] <undre61> bob2 HOw?
[09:21] <bob2> undre61: hit ctrl-l ftp://blah.com/
[09:21] <rixth> bob2, I seriously doub it's my connection. I had a friend download it earlier today (she's on a differnt ISP) and her MD5 sum is that same as mine. (She downloaded from a differnt mirror altogether)
[09:22] <bob2> rixth: then use archive.ubuntu.com. I promise the isos there are not corrupt
[09:22] <stuNNed> does ubuntu support roaming profiles?
[09:22] <crimsun> rixth: out of curiosity, what software are you using to create the burned cds?
[09:22] <rixth> Yet another download at 18kbsec. Joy.
[09:23] <bob2> rixth: dude
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> rixth: just do what i told, and u dont need no get the complete image
[09:23] <bob2> rixth: stop downloading it then.  you're wasting your time, and everyone's bandwidth.
[09:23] <danko123456> would ssh just hang if there is no SSH server installed?
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> not as such
[09:23] <rj-away> depends on firewall rules in between.
[09:23] <danko123456> why does it hang, though?
[09:23] <crimsun> danko123456: if the port is firewalled to -j DROP, yes, otherwise it will just return a connection refused immediately
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> danko123456: try ssh www.google.com and u will know
[09:24] <rixth> da_bon_bon, please explain your idea to me?
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> rixth: wait a sec
[09:24] <danko123456> k, thanks, crimsun, nd others.
[09:24] <bob2> rixth: just use rsync to fix your existing image
[09:25] <rixth> bob2, I am not on Linux.
[09:25] <bob2> rixth: it runs on windows.
[09:25] <karsten> rixth: http://www.cygwin.com/
[09:25] <rixth> Ill find a copy.
[09:25] <karsten> rixth: ..or get a port.
[09:25] <karsten> bob2: What's your relationship to Ubuntu?  You canonicalized yet?
[09:26] <bob2> rixth: http://www.gaztronics.net/rsync.php
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> rixth: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8fcrZx53.html
[09:26] <bezibaerchen> anyone can help me with apt-get upgrade? theres thunderbird in the list, and it says, that this package will not be upgraded. how can i fix that?
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> rixth: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8fcrZx53.html
[09:26] <bob2> karsten: I work for canonical, been there a year
[09:26] <da_bon_bon> bezibaerchen: breezy ?
[09:26] <abarbaccia> zerokarmaleft, you there buddy?
[09:26] <karsten> bob2: OK.
[09:26] <bezibaerchen> da_bon_bon: hoary
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> -f
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> force
[09:27] <bodaciousb> how do i chmod a folder to be available to the main user?
[09:27] <danko123456> main user?
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> bezibaerchen: strange. no thunderbird update for me
[09:27] <abarbaccia> bodaciousb, well, to what user?  the owner, the group, or other?
[09:27] <bodaciousb> bodaciousb
[09:27] <bodaciousb> my only user
[09:27] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, well you've piqued my interest...i've just checked beagle out from CVS to see if it wants to play :)
[09:27] <bezibaerchen> abarbaccia: The following packages are kept back:
[09:27] <bezibaerchen> Kamping_Kaiser: where force?
[09:27] <bodaciousb> i jsut installed quake3 arena linux version and it wont start... my guess is the permissions
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a switch to apt-get.
[09:28] <zerokarmaleft> abarbaccia, since they've gotten rid of a couple of dependencies
[09:28] <danko123456> sudo chmod -R 744 bodaciousb folder
[09:28] <danko123456> is  it?
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get upgrade -f or somthing
[09:28] <bezibaerchen> Kamping_Kaiser: same. kept back
[09:28] <bezibaerchen> someone mentioned dselect
[09:28] <bezibaerchen> but i dont see any packages in dselect
[09:28] <bodaciousb> danko123456, cannot access bodaciousb
[09:28] <abarbaccia> danko123456, isnt 744 going to just give read access?  he might need write too...or possibly execute 755 or 766
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> rixth: did u get it ?
[09:28] <rixth> bob2 I'm installing cygwin/rsync now
[09:29] <danko123456> 744 is 7 for owner, 4 for others.
[09:29] <danko123456> 7-all,.
[09:29] <abarbaccia> 4 read
[09:29] <rixth> da_bon_bon I'm looking now
[09:29] <bezibaerchen> chmod u+rwx
[09:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> bezibaerchen, try installing it on its own
[09:29] <bezibaerchen> Kamping_Kaiser: how?
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> rixth: ok
[09:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> bezibaerchen. install the rest, then install it on its own
[09:30] <rixth> I'll try rsync first, if that doesn't work, i'll try that
[09:30] <abarbaccia> danko123456, am i right?
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> rixth: your wish
[09:30] <bodaciousb> quake 3 is throwing this error int he console which makes me think permissionsSys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg
[09:30] <danko123456> 4 read, yup.
[09:31] <bodaciousb> it resides in /usr/local/games/quake3#
[09:31] <danko123456> 4- read, 2-write, 1-execute...
[09:31] <danko123456> add to use both, or all three.
[09:32] <danko123456> or the new and easy way...
[09:32] <danko123456> chmod +xwr
[09:32] <bezibaerchen> Kamping_Kaiser: its the only one left
[09:32] <abarbaccia> right, so using just 4 wouldnt give him write access which i was saying he might need
[09:32] <bodaciousb>  chmod -R  +xwr /usr/local/games/quake3 is what i did
[09:32] <bezibaerchen> ah
[09:32] <bezibaerchen> broken packages
[09:33] <bezibaerchen> k, dont need tunderbird anyway ;-)
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) ok
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you use?
[09:34] <Q_Continuum> ATI Binaries question for Hoary...doing an apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx comes back with "cannot find package"
[09:34] <bezibaerchen> IF i use a client on my laptop, i use evolution. but i prefer eroupware and its email-client or felamimail with wgroupware Kamping_Kaiser
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> bezibaerchen. try this :) $ apt-get moo
[09:34] <Raskall> how on earth can I make my ubuntu-laptop play mp3's?
[09:34] <tabmoW> anyone get a problem with kubuntu hoary stopping after scsi [success] 
[09:34] <danko123456> bodaciousb: does it work now?
[09:34] <bcowan> ok some packages failed again and I md5 this cd
[09:35] <danko123456> and, why are you bodacius?
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> how do I create Desktop Icon for Synaptic ?
[09:35] <bodaciousb> danko123456, no.... im wondering if default.cfg is missing
[09:35] <bcowan> how do I fix them from this curses console that comes up
[09:35] <bezibaerchen> Kamping_Kaiser: :-P
[09:35] <raghu> Q_Continuum: apt-cache search xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:35] <tabmoW> Raskall: did you install ubuntu on your laptop or is ubuntu-laptop a special distro specifically for laptops?
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> I added 'gksu synaptic' in launcher and when it asks for the password...it says wrong pas!
[09:35] <Raskall> tabmoW: totally vanilla hoary install.
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> whereas in System menu it doesn't
[09:35] <Q_Continuum> raghu, I didn't have all the sources uncommented lol
[09:36] <tabmoW> Raskall: install xmms-mp3
[09:36] <Q_Continuum> thanks anyway.
[09:36] <danko123456> bodaciousb: I am not really into games...
[09:36] <Raskall> tabmoW: will that work for rhythmbox also?
[09:36] <Quinn_Storm> St0n3-C0l: that's b/c you need to gksudo not gksu
[09:36] <tabmoW> no
[09:36] <St0n3-C0l> Quinn_Storm: Ohh thanks :P
[09:36] <bodaciousb> danko123456, i know... i was just hoping it was an easy permissions fix =)
[09:36] <danko123456> bodaciousb: not really sure what the error is...
[09:36] <DmD> Q_Continuum is pretty much my neighbor :)
[09:37] <danko123456> DmD: You got out of vim?
[09:37] <danko123456> :)
[09:37] <Q_Continuum> and we have a mutual aquantance(sp?)
[09:37] <DmD> yeah danko
[09:37] <danko123456> cool
[09:37] <DmD> didn't get it setup yet though ;x
[09:37] <danko123456> I have a eBook on VI on some hard...
[09:37] <DmD> vsftpd
[09:37] <DmD> ah
[09:38] <danko123456> I steal eBooks, there I said it...
[09:38] <danko123456> :")_
[09:38] <DmD> haha nice
[09:38] <danko123456> I supplied my whole class with one book for a course.
[09:38] <danko123456> I had it linked on my website.
[09:38] <DmD>  Q_Continuum is wardriving atm
[09:38] <DmD> he was sitting at a local denny's
[09:38] <danko123456> Noone bought a book for the course:)
[09:39] <DmD> i may go meet him tonite
[09:39] <DmD> he's in my area
[09:39] <DmD> somewhere
[09:39] <rixth> danko123456, I havePHP 5 for Dummies and PHP/SQL for Dummies eBooks if you would like them :) They are really quite good
[09:39] <DmD> tellin me where to find wifi's :)
[09:39] <karsten> bob2: Any other notable packages that don't work in AMD64?  OO.o, WINE, are mentinoed.
[09:39] <danko123456>  I have those:P
[09:39] <DmD> danko, sure :)
[09:39] <danko123456> I have soooo many.
[09:39] <DmD> i'll pm you..
[09:39] <DmD> is that ok?
[09:39] <danko123456> sure
[09:39] <bcowan> how do i get a new copy of this gthumb that fails everytime
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i want the kernel source to be in the right place when i run apt-src, where should my working path be?
[09:40] <Quinn_Storm> Kamping_Kaiser: actually you just do apt-get kernel-source-whatever
[09:41] <Quinn_Storm> Kamping_Kaiser: they made special packages to fix that
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> quinn_storm. ok thanks ill give it a go
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> so the source for 2.6.11-1 isnt available from ubuntu yet?
[09:42] <`anthony> anyone here with dbus-python clue?
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> should i get it from the kernel mirror?
[09:43] <Quinn_Storm> Kamping_Kaiser: you really want the debianish kernel package...it looks like 2.6.11 just isn't up yet
[09:43] <rixth> Okay. I have rsync under Cygwin now. How do I update my ISO?
[09:44] <bodaciousb> how do i eject the cdrom?
[09:44] <marc74> i forgot
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> right click, eject
[09:45] <bob2> karsten: qemu maybe.
[09:45] <marc74> i know there was someone i was talking to
[09:45] <bob2> karsten: basically only emulation-ish stuff and big binary crap like OO
[09:45] <marc74> anyone?
[09:45] <rixth> bob2, I have rsync installed now, how do I update the image?
[09:45] <tkz> I need some help with connecting USB GPS-receiver to my laptop. Anyone done this before?
[09:46] <karsten> bob2: OK.  Complicated stuff mostly then I take it.
[09:46] <marc74> i guess he must have logged off
[09:46] <karsten> rixth: rsync <remote> <local>
[09:46] <rixth> Okauy
[09:46] <karsten> rixth: host:path/file for remote.
[09:46] <marc74> someone was there trying to connect to me
[09:47] <marc74> we were having problems
[09:47] <bob2> rixth: I gave you the url
[09:47] <bob2> 17:15:08           bob2 | rixth: http://tinyurl.com/9x79n
[09:47] <rixth> Wtf. Is there no way to cut and paste in Cygwin?
[09:47] <marc74> gosh
[09:47] <tkz> How do I find out the "path" of the USB device?
[09:47] <koka-kola> start_freenode
[09:48] <bob2> tkz: /var/log/syslog will have it
[09:48] <marc74> fine i lost that chat
[09:48] <pixil9> tkz, what gps program are you using
[09:48] <pixil9> i need to get one
[09:48] <tkz> bob2:  thanks, I'll  check that out
[09:48] <marc74> i had to reboot
[09:48] <karsten> rixth: In the terminal, it's the stupid Windows DOS shell mark/paste through menu.
[09:48] <karsten> rixth: If you have rxvt installed, it's X copy/paste.
[09:48] <tkz> pixil9:  I have GPSDrive installed
[09:49] <pixil9> ah
[09:49] <cioli2000> hi...
[09:49] <danko123456> Mar
[09:49] <danko123456> marc74: I have you on private
[09:50] <phanter> hello, I am using ubuntu on my laptop and to save energy it can slow the processor down to 35%. I would like to slow it down even more (to 20% or something). Where can I change this setting?
[09:51] <pixil9> tkz, I think it only supports serial
[09:51] <Raskall> agh.. how do I get rid of a <defunct> process without booting?
[09:52] <pixil9> there's no usb option in preferences and the default is /dev/ttyS3
[09:52] <phanter> Raskall: tried to kill it?
[09:52] <iso> raskall kill -9?
[09:52] <tkz> pixil9:  hmm... I was hoping that it would no matter because USB is sort of a serial port too
[09:52] <Raskall> phanter, iso: none works.
[09:52] <tkz> pixil9:  any idea what would be better program?
[09:52] <iso> raskall : what process?
[09:53] <pixil9> tkz, http://www.gpsdrive.cc/faq.shtml
[09:53] <Raskall> iso: ha hanging rhythmbox process.
[09:53] <Raskall> -h
[09:54] <tkz> Ok, I found this in /var/log/syslog "Apr 29 10:49:27 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" ...how does that translate into a path to the USB device in newbie-language? :)
[09:54] <Q_Continuum> Hrm.  I broke Ubuntu.  Again.
[09:54] <rixth> bob2, this is f'd up.  Now I get ssh: http: no address associated with name
[09:54] <rixth> Great.
[09:54] <phanter> Q_Continuum: what did you do?
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> rxith. what are you putting in?
[09:54] <Q_Continuum> Doing the ATI to fglrd drivers, did the command-line change...how do I fix it?  on bootup, after it says "starting Ubuntu" the screen goes blank.
[09:55] <pixil9> ?? ati
[09:55] <uhelper> ati: To install binary xorg ATI drivers - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <Q_Continuum> I did that.
[09:55] <tkz> pixil9:  seems I dont have ttyUSB0
[09:55] <pixil9> ok
[09:55] <rixth> I can't cut and paste. It was rsync http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ./ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <---- Thats what this tutorial said
[09:56] <Q_Continuum> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf. (is the period supposed to be there?  I didn't put the period...)
[09:56] <Q_Continuum> that's what broke it.
[09:56] <Q_Continuum> I did a ctrl alt backspace to restart x, and the screen went blank.
[09:56] <pixil9> that's right
[09:56] <pixil9> just check it with pico
[09:57] <tkz> bob2:  I found the line in the syslog that was about the USB GPS. How does it translate to a path (Apr 29 10:49:27 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2)
[09:57] <pixil9> Q_Continuum, just do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:57] <pixil9> and select fglrx
[09:57] <spiral> hi
[09:57] <Q_Continuum> can I do that from recovery mode or whatever it is?
[09:58] <Q_Continuum> on bootup I get a blank screen (doesn't even crash to a console, like my desktop did)
[09:58] <danko123456> him, spiral
[09:58] <pixil9> just hit ctrl-alt-f2
[09:58] <danko123456> hi, spiral
[09:58] <pixil9> for console
[09:58] <Q_Continuum> tried that
[09:58] <revelater> hey mplayer gets out of sync easily and uses all of my processor for some reason....
[09:58] <Q_Continuum> stayed blank.
[09:58] <pixil9> and did dpkg-reconfigure?
[10:00] <revelater> help anyone?
[10:00] <GNAM> why ubuntu i386 is way better than ubuntu x86_64? On obuntu x86_64, X.org don't see the correct resolution
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> revelator what with?
[10:00] <revelater> hey mplayer gets out of sync easily and uses all of my processor for some reason....
[10:01] <rixth> Can someone make a rsync string for me to update my ubuntu ISO. i can't figure it out.
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> know the problem, cant help revelator. :| im using totem
[10:01] <iso> rixth what are you trying to update?
[10:01] <danko123456> xine, totem...
[10:01] <DmD> is there a tut to explain how to setup a wireless NIC?  i have a D-Link air adapter and i'm wondering if those are easy to setup
[10:02] <revelater> xine gives me another problem
[10:02] <danko123456> DmD: it does not work just by itself?
[10:02] <revelater> when loading up it shows the last picture loaded by firefox, which could possibly be some hentai ;)
[10:03] <rixth> Can someone make a rsync string for me to update my Ubuntu ISO. I can't figure it out. Use the server us.releases.ubuntu.com
[10:03] <DmD> i'm on my ethernet connection right now but i wanted to try and see if the wireless NIC would work
[10:03] <danko123456> (03:01:59) iso: rixth what are you trying to update?
[10:03] <bob2> tkz: don't know, I'd assume /dev/ttyUSB0, assuming it is an actual serial device
[10:04] <rixth> danko123456, my Hoary ISO. The md5 checksum is wrong (I've dl'd it three time from differnt mirrors)
[10:05] <rixth> 62fcc0f5ddfb46036a560c9658b5b7bf
[10:05] <iso> rixth rsync may not be the proper solution for your problem.
[10:05] <tkz> bob2:  my machine does not have /dev/ttyUSB0, is that something I should create?
[10:06] <rixth> iso, what would it be then? My install pukes with something about BSDUtils. I'm using XP at the moment (and I used tht to burn the ISO) becuase it's all I have available,.
[10:06] <bob2> iso: in what way?
[10:06] <bob2> tkz: no
[10:07] <iso> rixth are you using an ftp client or any sort to download your iso?
[10:07] <danko123456> iso: thats it, no follow up?
[10:08] <danko123456> heh
[10:08] <rixth> No. First time, I downloaded it onto Linux and burnt over the network from an XP machine. Second time (after it failed) I downloaded (http) onto the XP Machine and burnt using Alocohol 120%
[10:08] <pixil9> tkz, I think you need some sort of usb to serial driver
[10:09] <p0m> Lovely, I've killed all sound :(
[10:09] <bodaciousb> when i install linux tomarrow and move my windows system to my Second hd.. should i install windows first?
[10:10] <tkz> pixil9:  hmm... have to check into that if i don't get this to work
[10:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes bodaciousb
[10:10] <pixil9> tkz, or a m odule
[10:10] <bodaciousb> Kamping_Kaiser,  thanks
[10:10] <iso> rixth i've run into problems once with a flakey SSH client which caused all sorts of grief. outside of that, not too sure what the problem in your case may be
[10:10] <Q_Continuum> arggggg
[10:10] <bodaciousb> after seeing quake3 run on my system, im dethroning windows tomarrow... linux is now king =)
[10:10] <p0m> Ohh well. A reinstall was on the cards anyhow.
[10:10] <Q_Continuum> I must be selecting something wrong, or something.  it crashes out when I go to start x.
[10:11] <iso> rixth i believe you can purchase the media from the site
[10:11] <rixth> All I know is that all other distributions have been seamless. Including Debian.
[10:11] <Q_Continuum> after reconfiguring it, I should be able to just startx, correct?  or would I have to restart?
[10:11] <pixil9> Q_Continuum, You're sure you used ctrl-alt-f2?
[10:11] <pixil9> works fine for me
[10:11] <pixil9> oh you reconfig'd it?
[10:12] <Q_Continuum> once I do startx, my screen goes blank...switching to ANY terminal does ANYTHING
[10:12] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[10:12] <Q_Continuum> and apparently I'm picking the wrong things >.<
[10:12] <Q_Continuum> Mobile 9600XT
[10:12] <pixil9> hmm
[10:12] <Q_Continuum> err moble 9600
[10:12] <Q_Continuum> amd64
[10:12] <Quinn_Storm> oh
[10:13] <Quinn_Storm> Q_Continuum: are you using the amd64 binaries for things or the i386?
[10:13] <pixil9> what brand?
[10:13] <pixil9> of laptop
[10:13] <Q_Continuum> emachine M6805
[10:13] <Q_Continuum> I just did the apt-get install command for the drivers
[10:13] <Quinn_Storm> Q_Continuum: I mean your general system
[10:13] <Quinn_Storm> Q_Continuum: what's the arch of your kernel, etc.? ix86 or amd64?
[10:14] <Q_Continuum> amd64
[10:14] <Quinn_Storm> Q_Continuum: the ati binary drivers are i386 afaik and won't work on a system running in amd64 mode...at least I don't think so...you need to be in i386 mode...
[10:14] <Q_Continuum> grrrrr
[10:14] <pixil9> lol
[10:15] <Q_Continuum> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:15] <pixil9> that sucks :(
[10:15] <Quinn_Storm> yeah well thats what binary drivers are like
[10:15] <Q_Continuum> fuck fuck fuck
[10:15] <Q_Continuum> are those straight from ATI?
[10:15] <rixth> iso, I've been waiting MONTHS for my Ubuntu CDs, they never arrived. I swaer I'm going to install 2K back on my machine, atleast that installed.
[10:15] <Quinn_Storm> well I -could- be wrong
[10:16] <Quinn_Storm> I doubt it, but ask around, I'm not exactly einstein
[10:16] <pixil9> Q_Continuum, yes.
[10:16] <DmD> after installing NETPRISM.inf for my wireless nic i typed sudo modprobe ndiswrapper then it said:
[10:16] <DmD> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:16] <pixil9> Linux x86_64
[10:16] <Q_Continuum> they are 64-bit?
[10:16] <mpq> animated GIFs don't display correctly in gnome image viewer
[10:16] <DmD> i installed ndiswrapper
[10:16] <pixil9> actually it says they are unable to offer support for notebooks
[10:16] <Quinn_Storm> well maybe I was wrong about the x86_64 thing
[10:17] <Quinn_Storm> I hope I was
[10:17] <Quinn_Storm> b/c that would mean ati wasn't so bad
[10:17] <mpq> is there a better program to quickly display images?
[10:17] <Q_Continuum> how can I tell what arch the drivers are that I have installed?
[10:17] <pixil9> its says they have no x86 support for laptops either
[10:17] <daniels> Q_Continuum: dude, watch the language
[10:17] <mpq> animated GIFs don't display correctly in the default viewer
[10:17] <Q_Continuum> sorry.
[10:17] <Quinn_Storm> mpq: come to the k side and use gwenview :-P
[10:17] <daniels> and, for the record, both ati and nvidia have both i386 and amd64 drivers.
[10:17] <pixil9> o.
[10:18] <Quinn_Storm> daniels: ok, I won't make the mistake of thinking otherwise again
[10:18] <mpq> I don't want to change my desktop program
[10:18] <pixil9> daniels, Where can you get them?
[10:18] <danko123456> watch the language, there may be kids reading:?
[10:18] <daniels> pixil9: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:18] <goldfish> danko123456: lol
[10:18] <mpq> I'm too used to gnome
[10:19] <mpq> I don't want to learn to use something else
[10:19] <goldfish> lol
[10:19] <jamie> hello, has anyone else dealt with the jumpy mouse thing?  I've tried everything I've found online, but can't seem to fix it completely
[10:19] <daniels> danko123456: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[10:19] <Q_Continuum> pixi19, they've always said that.  but, a good friend of mine said that ATI's working on Catalyst drivers for mobiles, no matter what :-)
[10:19] <pixil9> Q_Continuum, I guess that's not the problem then
[10:19] <Q_Continuum> good friend writes for www.theinquirer.net
[10:19] <goldfish> mpq: Since i tried xfce and fluxbox i cant use gnome again.
[10:19] <Q_Continuum> *sigh*
[10:19] <Q_Continuum> probably misconfig or something.
[10:19] <daniels> the ATI drivers also work in laptops.  there are two very specific chipsets that it does not work on, and that probably won't be resolved any time soon.
[10:20] <Q_Continuum> what chipsets are those, daniels?
[10:20] <DmD> can someone help me install my wireless nic (D-Link Air)?
[10:20] <fabio> Hello all
[10:20] <mpq> how different is KDE from gnome?
[10:20] <goldfish> mpq: install it have a try
[10:20] <danko123456> try it
[10:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> totaly different
[10:20] <danko123456> in one word, very
[10:20] <goldfish> i bet u wont use gnome again :)
[10:20] <mpq> I don't know how to install it
[10:20] <Quinn_Storm> mpq: night and day in a lot of ways...kde is highly configurable and can be daunting in that way...but then in other ways they are very similar...I'm not in a good position though to explain
[10:20] <DmD> i tried to load the module and i typed sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and i get this error msg
[10:21] <DmD> Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[10:21] <danko123456> apt-get install kde
[10:21] <danko123456> is it?
[10:21] <goldfish> dunno the exact package name
[10:21] <mpq> that seems too easy
[10:21] <Q_Continuum> that's it, I'll reselect the ATI drivers, and just can't use 3D.
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> kde-desktop
[10:21] <DmD> i loaded the .inf drive that i needed for the wireless nic
[10:21] <Riddell> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:22] <mpq> okay
[10:22] <DmD>  sudo ndiswrapper -l
[10:22] <DmD> Installed ndis drivers:
[10:22] <DmD> netprism        invalid driver!
[10:22] <mpq> downloading it now
[10:22] <DmD> what can i do about that?
[10:22] <DmD> earlier i did sudo ndiswraper -i NETPRISM.inf
[10:22] <mpq> what happens once it finishes?
[10:22] <pixil9> ?? ndiswrapper > DmD
[10:22] <goldfish> mpq: at the login screen, if u click sessions, you can choose what manager to use, i.e gnome, kde, etc.....
[10:23] <mpq> ok
[10:23] <DmD> sudo ndiswrapper -i NETPRISM.inf
[10:23] <DmD> that's what i typed
[10:23] <mpq> there's more than two?
[10:23] <p0m> Don't you go ndiswrapper -m and make the modprobe info for it?
[10:23] <DmD> then when i tried to load the module
[10:23] <jamie> mpq: there's tons
[10:23] <mpq> heh
[10:23] <mpq> I've only heard of gnome and kde
[10:23] <DmD> i typed sudo modprobe ndiswrapper to load the module
[10:23] <pixil9> ?? ndiswrapper
[10:23] <uhelper> ndiswrapper: Howto - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[10:23] <DmD> ah ty
[10:23] <DmD> i got the pm
[10:23] <DmD> nvm
[10:24] <DmD> i was looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2681.html
[10:24] <p0m> daniels: You wouldn't happen to know if esound with multiple sources playing at once works on Hoary would you?
[10:24] <goldfish> mpq: aye, there's loads, fluxbox is a good one, minimal, but very fast, i really like xfce too
[10:24] <jamie> mpq: there's enlightenment, xfce, ice, fluxbox, and a bunch of others
[10:24] <pixil9> ?? wireless
[10:24] <uhelper> wireless: Howto - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/
[10:25] <mpq> I gave up with wireless
[10:25] <mpq> my mom lost the WEP key so I stopped trying
[10:25] <jamie> has anyone heard of the mouse pointer jumpiness/loss of response thing?
[10:25] <pixil9> lol just change it in ur config
[10:25] <jamie> I know other people have had this problem
[10:25] <rj-away> No one ever mentions twm or gwm :/
[10:25] <mpq> jamie: maybe it's a driver thing?
[10:26] <daniels> p0m: no idea
[10:26] <mpq> my mouse sometimes doesn't work right, and I was told it was a driver thing
[10:26] <Quinn_Storm> I just make words out of the hex in my wep keys that way I don't forget
[10:26] <jamie> could be, but I tried manually adding the synaptics driver to my xorg.conf, didn't help
[10:26] <goldfish> jamie: my frined has the problem on his toshiba laptop. hasnt been able to fix it yet.
[10:26] <goldfish> *friend
[10:26] <p0m> daniels: Bugger.
[10:26] <mpq> they use the key comcast gave us
[10:26] <mpq> which was some really complicated thing
[10:26] <mpq> and they lost it
[10:27] <mpq> of course they don't have trouble because they never change anything on their computers
[10:27] <jamie> also tried making the synaptics device the corepointer and giving the other mouse interrupt (i.e., reversing their status), which helped some, but it didn't fix it either
[10:27] <jamie> I've seen online that kernel 2.6.10-5 fixes this, but it doesn't
[10:28] <jamie> and I've tried stopping powernowd as some suggested, which has helped quite a bit, but it still happens every now and again
[10:28] <DmD> i forget the revison of my wireless nic but when i put the cd into the drive it says dvl_650_520...so would it be a  D-Link Air DWL-650 ?
[10:28] <DmD> dwl_650_520 **
[10:28] <danko123456> dvl, maybe
[10:28] <DmD> it says dwl_650_520
[10:28] <jamie> rj-away: no one mentions twm  because it physically hurts to use it :)
[10:29] <danko123456> ok
[10:29] <rj-away> jamie: Bah, encourages people to learn how to use a cli environment... :)
[10:29] <rixth> How the hell do i update my ISO of Hoary. i've been trying for an hour and I'm really, realyl FUCKED OFF.
[10:29] <jamie> rj-away: now you're talking
[10:29] <goldfish> cli enviornment?
[10:30] <rj-away> command line interface
[10:30] <DmD> when i listed the chipsets in the terminal i found Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)
[10:30] <goldfish> ah right.
[10:30] <DmD> could that be the wireless nic?
[10:30] <goldfish> Cool, i like those :)
[10:30] <DmD> the brand is D-Link AIR though
[10:30] <DmD> or wait
[10:30] <jamie> goldfish: funny because it's true... twm is pain
[10:30] <DmD> that must be my onboard lan
[10:30] <goldfish> jamie: heh
[10:30] <mpq> are there programs that work in gnome but not kde?
[10:31] <jamie> mpq: not exactly, but some work much more natively with gnome
[10:31] <mpq> I don't want to inadvertently screw something up
[10:31] <jamie> mpq: since you have gnome, you'll have the libraries you need to run things
[10:31] <johnnybezak> hey guys i want to convert mp3 to wav, what do i do?
[10:31] <goldfish> u can stilluse gnome too
[10:31] <mpq> ok
[10:31] <DmD> Other: Tested on debian unstable with Ndiswrapper 0.8, kernel 2.6.5 custom on July 6th Works perfectly even under high transfer rates.
[10:31] <mpq> as long as it doesn't delete anything for some reason
[10:31] <p0m> mpq: Once you've screwed something up a few times you pick up an intuition for if it is going to happen again :)
[10:31] <pixil9> johnnybezak, I think xmms has a wav output plugin
[10:32] <jamie> mpq: the vast majority of things will work happily in either
[10:32] <johnnybezak> pixil9: how do I use it?
[10:32] <goldfish> mp3blaster can convert to wav
[10:32] <mpq> kde is installing now
[10:32] <mpq> will it start automatically or should I restart?
[10:32] <jamie> mpq: you'll need to log out and select kde as your environment before logging back in
[10:33] <mpq> ok
[10:33] <goldfish> mpq: restart x, then at the login screen, click sessions, and choose it.
[10:33] <DmD> i found the driver on the cd but i can't seem to load the module
[10:33] <jamie> mpq: do you know  how to restart x?
[10:33] <mpq> no
[10:33] <pixil9> johnnybezak, options --> preferences --> output plugin --> disk writer
[10:33] <pixil9> play the song
[10:33] <goldfish> ctrl + alt + backspace
[10:33] <mpq> I'm not sure what x even is
[10:33] <Gir__> CTRL + ALT + backspace
[10:33] <jamie> mpq: log out first, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:33] <mpq> ok
[10:34] <goldfish> mpq: x is like the gui.
[10:34] <jamie> mpq: x is short for X11, the windowing system in linux
[10:34] <mpq> ah
[10:34] <mpq> I thought that's what gnome did
[10:34] <jamie> gnome uses X11
[10:34] <mpq> oh
[10:34] <jamie> it is X11 and very much more
[10:34] <mpq> I thought the window system was part of the desktop
[10:34] <goldfish> anyone know any good terminal based music players?
[10:35] <mpq> ok
[10:35] <goldfish> or console based... not sure how to term it.
[10:35] <jamie> mpq: sort of...  the desktop environment is a big set of things sitting on top of x
[10:35] <mpq> trying now
[10:36] <jamie> so does anyone here know anything about the mouse issue?  sorry to be pushy, it's for a friends machine
[10:36] <Deanodriver> hi
[10:36] <pixil9> jamie, whats the entry in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the mouse driver? PS/2?
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> jamie no i dont
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi deanodriver
[10:37] <jamie> pixil9: lemme grab it
[10:37] <Deanodriver> i've just got a little question
[10:37] <pixil9> or ImPS/2
[10:37] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay
[10:37] <Q_Continuum> This blows.
[10:37] <Q_Continuum> and thus, I'm going to reinstall.
[10:37] <Q_Continuum> reset to select ati (I'll get 3D working later) and it doesn't allow me to select my resolution for my monitor.
[10:38] <Deanodriver> i'm trying to get a hard drive to mount when i boot the system, and I'm just wondering what i'd need to put in /etc/fstab to get it working?
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the hdd?
[10:38] <Deanodriver> (my files drive, fat32 partition)
[10:38] <pixil9> ?? ntfs
[10:38] <uhelper> ntfs: To mount and unmount windows partitions (ntfs, fat) - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[10:38] <goldfish> Q_Continuum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:38] <Deanodriver> 160GB Seagate PATA
[10:38] <Q_Continuum> on the screen where it asks what resolutions you want the xserver to use, I can select my native (1280x800) but on the monitor resolution screen, 1280x800 is NOT an option.
[10:38] <Q_Continuum> did goldfish.
[10:38] <goldfish> ah right :/
[10:38] <danko123456> hey
[10:38] <Q_Continuum> so I had to select 1024x768
[10:38] <Q_Continuum> :-(
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> deano
[10:38] <danko123456> for adduser (group) username.
[10:38] <Q_Continuum> so now it looks like crap.
[10:39] <danko123456> Waht is the syntax>?
[10:39] <Deanodriver> ahh
[10:39] <Deanodriver> i see where i went wrong
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /dev/hd# /mnt/placehere vfat defaults 0 0
[10:39] <mpq> interesting
[10:39] <goldfish> mpq: work?
[10:39] <Deanodriver> thanks
[10:39] <goldfish> hehe
[10:39] <mpq> yeah
[10:39] <goldfish> nice?
[10:39] <Deanodriver> i'd put in fat32 instead of vfat
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> k. cool
[10:39] <mpq> but I need to set up my keyboard shortcuts
[10:39] <mpq> and I don't know how to do that
[10:40] <danko123456> whats the syntax for adding a user to a group?
[10:40] <jamie> Section "InputDevice"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Driver		"keyboard"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[10:40] <johnnybe1ak> goldfish: do you know what switches i need to use?
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc104"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[10:40] <jamie> EndSection
[10:40] <jamie> Section "InputDevice"
[10:40] <Deanodriver> thanks a lot, i'll give it a try, and see if it works :)
[10:40] <jamie> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Driver		"mouse"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[10:40] <jamie> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[10:40] <jamie> EndSection
[10:40] <jamie> Section "InputDevice"
[10:40] <goldfish> mpq: i've never used kde myself, must be a settings section somewhere u can do it
[10:40] <jamie>         Identifier      "Synaptics Touchpad"
[10:40] <jamie>         Driver          "synaptics"
[10:40] <jamie>         Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
[10:40] <jamie>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/psaux"
[10:40] <jamie>         Option          "Protocol"              "auto-dev"
[10:40] <jamie>         Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"
[10:41] <jamie> EndSection
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> jamie thats a flood
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :| timeing
[10:41] <goldfish> LOL
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[10:41] <mpq> er
[10:41] <mpq> I can't find firefox
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> mozilla-firefox
[10:41] <goldfish> aye
[10:42] <goldfish> run it from a terminal
[10:42] <goldfish> heh
[10:42] <goldfish> or set up a desktop shortcut
[10:42] <Q_Continuum> anyone know where the monitor's resolution is stored?
[10:42] <mpq> it loaded the old version
[10:42] <mpq> instead of 1.0
[10:42] <danko123456> thanks, I RTFm
[10:42] <danko123456> :)
[10:42] <mpq> I had a shortcut in gnome and now I can't find it
[10:43] <Deanodriver> just letting you know i got it working, thanks :)
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) cool
[10:43] <Deanodriver> :0
[10:43] <Deanodriver> :)
[10:43] <Deanodriver> oops
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> you didnt reboot did you?
[10:43] <Gir__> mpq, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[10:43] <Deanodriver> i did
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can do it from a terminal
[10:44] <Deanodriver> yeah?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> mounting/unmounting
[10:44] <mpq> I'm using KDE
[10:44] <Deanodriver> i know
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> umount -a && mount -a
[10:44] <Deanodriver> but i wanted to have it done automatically whenever I booted
[10:44] <goldfish> jamie: welcome back
[10:44] <jamie> sorry about that
[10:44] <goldfish> :)
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> when you add it to fstab, you just run mount
[10:44] <Gir__> mpq, when explore the Control Center
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> and it does it
[10:45] <Deanodriver> cool, thanks :)
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:45] <mpq> this is frustrating
[10:45] <goldfish> lol
[10:45] <mpq> I can't find firefox and I can't find the keyboard shortcuts
[10:45] <goldfish> Go back to gnome if u dont like it :)
[10:45] <jamie> pixil9: did you have any ideas?
[10:46] <goldfish> mpq: they are different enviornments, u'd have to set each one up.
[10:46] <goldfish> if u get me
[10:46] <jamie> mpq: usually gnome menu stuff is in a submenu in gnome
[10:46] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay simple question where is the xorg config file stored?
[10:46] <mpq> I'm not on gnome
[10:46] <Fator_Dee> Q_Continuum: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> then why ask here?
[10:47] <Q_Continuum> *sigh* I need to edit the monitor's resolution settings...where would I do that?  it's not in the xorg.conf file
[10:48] <jamie> Q_continuum: it is in that file, I  promise
[10:48] <goldfish> it should be
[10:48] <Q_Continuum> aHA!
[10:48] <Q_Continuum> they were at 1200x800.  should be 1280x800.  it didn't look quite right, but didn't look like 1024x768 either.
[10:48] <goldfish> lol
[10:48] <Q_Continuum> *logs out to restart x*
[10:49] <jamie> pixil9: I don't have an explicit load "synaptics" line
[10:50] <DmD> can anyone help me install the driver i have for my wireless NIC?
[10:50] <DmD> when i typed sudo ndiswrapper -l
[10:50] <DmD> it listed..
[10:50] <DmD> net8180 invalid driver!
[10:50] <DmD> which is the driver i downloaded for the nic
[10:54] <yahalom> can anyone help me with my xkb layout in xorg.conf?
[10:55] <jamie> yahalom: what do you need?
[10:56] <Q_Continuum> yaaay
[10:56] <Q_Continuum> I'm back to native res
[10:56] <yahalom> in my xorg.conf under keyboard input i changed xkblayout option "us" to "us,il" to enable a hebrew layout, but it doesnt do it
[10:57] <jamie> yahalom: that's not something I play with much, but perhaps you have to switch between them once enabled?
[10:57] <yahalom> jamie, in gnome it works, but i dont think gnome uses that option, does it? the issue is in xfce
[10:58] <goldfish> Q_Continuum: cool
[10:58] <jamie> yahalom, sorry, I have no clue then
[10:58] <yahalom> jamie, u iuse the xkb layout in xfce. it used to work on my previous ubuntu hoary, i did a fresh install.
[10:58] <danko123456> hey, if anyone wants to know...
[10:58] <yahalom> jamie, np. thanx:)
[10:59] <danko123456> I just installed that guy marc74
[10:59] <danko123456> the one with the issue
[10:59] <danko123456> :)
[10:59] <danko123456> the Java issue
[11:00] <danko123456> I was root on his comp
[11:00] <zerokarmaleft> danko123456, :)
[11:00] <danko123456> yup
[11:00] <danko123456> root@coyote:
[11:01] <danko123456> whats a good page for him to try out his java?
[11:02] <mpq> I found the keyboard shortcuts
[11:02] <mpq> but I can't find the one I need
[11:02] <danko123456> sweet
[11:02] <danko123456> which one?
[11:02] <mpq> volume control
[11:03] <mpq> right now the buttons on the keyboard don't do anything
[11:03] <zerokarmaleft> danko123456, http://www.babynamewizard.com/namevoyager/lnv0105.html
[11:03] <mpq> xchat isn't working right now
[11:03] <danko123456> that has Java pictures?
[11:03] <goldfish> xchat sucks !
[11:03] <mpq> it worked in gnome
[11:03] <danko123456> right on the front page, or on one of the links?
[11:03] <mpq> but now it's cutting off the end of everything
[11:04] <mpq> screw this, I'm switching back
[11:04] <zerokarmaleft> danko123456, right on the front page
[11:04] <Matyy> Hi, I need some help, I cannot boot from the Hoary install cd: http://phpfi.com/59723
[11:04] <zerokarmaleft> danko123456, of that link
[11:06] <mpq> how do I remove KDE?
[11:07] <cAsTeL> hi all
[11:08] <mpq> great
[11:09] <mpq> now there's a bunch of kde programs cluttering up the application list
[11:10] <yahalom> hi people. i downloaed all the hebrew languag packs, and usually that means i get hebrew, but now when i try to log in with hebrew it says he_IL-UFT-8 not found, using default (which is english). any ideas?
[11:10] <danko123456> thanks, zerokarmaleft
[11:10] <danko123456> I got it,..
[11:11] <mpq> how do I remove kde?
[11:11] <goldfish> mpq: apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop --purge
[11:11] <goldfish> but
[11:12] <goldfish> that might remove shit
[11:12] <goldfish> i'm not too sure
[11:12] <shad0w1e> question: how do I reset my volume control settings?
[11:12] <mpq> it only removed one file
[11:12] <goldfish> ok cool
[11:12] <goldfish> shad0w1e: reset?
[11:12] <goldfish> change?
[11:12] <shad0w1e> well i did something to my sound and its no longer right
[11:12] <goldfish> oh right
[11:12] <shad0w1e> i want to reset it to default
[11:13] <mpq> argh
[11:13] <goldfish> mpq: yes?
[11:13] <mpq> yes what?
[11:13] <goldfish> someting bad happen?
[11:13] <MightyF> is ubuntu pretty stable?
[11:13] <mpq> no
[11:13] <mpq> nothing happened
[11:13] <goldfish> shad0w1e: emm, i dunno, maybe run alsamixer from a terminal.
[11:13] <mpq> it only removed one file
[11:14] <goldfish> mpq: what file?
[11:14] <mpq> I don't know
[11:14] <mpq> but all the k programs are cluttering the application list
[11:14] <mpq> I don't want them
[11:14] <goldfish> MightyF: Emm, the breezy version?
[11:14] <yahalom> ok this sucks
[11:14] <Fator_Dee> the kubuntu/ubuntu-desktop is only a metafile
[11:14] <danko123456> yup, it sucks
[11:14] <Fator_Dee> it doesn't actually remove anything
[11:14] <mpq> so how do I delete everything else?
[11:15] <MightyF> goldfish, huh?  I'm planning on installing ubuntu hoary
[11:15] <goldfish> MightyF: oh right.
[11:15] <goldfish> MightyF: Yes, yes it is.
[11:15] <forsaker8k6> hi guys!! :P
[11:15] <goldfish> hello
[11:15] <Fator_Dee> well, I'm not sure if it's the right way, but I would just fire up synaptic and uninstall everything that has kde in it :-\
[11:15] <MightyF> goldfish, whats the breezy version?
[11:15] <goldfish> MightyF: the new one.
[11:15] <yahalom> i got my xfce panel back but lost my hebrew layout, how does that make sense?
[11:16] <goldfish> MightyF: It's only being developed right now like.
[11:16] <MightyF> goldfish, oh, its under development, like FC4
[11:16] <mpq> I don't use synaptic much
[11:17] <MightyF> does anyone have experience with getting centrino wireless to work with ubuntu?
[11:17] <forsaker8k6> well people.. i was wondering... what do you think about enlightenment? I was thinking to set it up on my box...
[11:17] <Fator_Dee> synaptic is not a difficult program to use
[11:17] <goldfish> MightyF: yes.
[11:17] <goldfish> MightyF: I'm on it right now.
[11:17] <mpq> I usually just use apt-get
[11:17] <MightyF> goldfish, so, its possible, is it easy?
[11:17] <danko123456> how do you remove a user command line?
[11:17] <goldfish> MightyF: yep.
[11:18] <goldfish> MightyF: Well, i had to use ndiswrapper.
[11:18] <MightyF> goldfish, ohhhhh, bummer.  In FC3 you use 3 RPMs and it works like a charm
[11:18] <goldfish> well that was in warty
[11:18] <goldfish> i think hoary has more compatibility with cards
[11:19] <MightyF> cool
[11:19] <forsaker8k6> mmm.. no ideas about enlightenment?
[11:19] <goldfish> never used it
[11:19] <goldfish> looks nice though in screenshots
[11:19] <forsaker8k6> :(
[11:19] <yahalom> how can i get this comman to be alt +shift or both alt keys together instead of both shift keys: setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,il
[11:19] <yahalom> ?
[11:19] <forsaker8k6> well.. i'ltt have to try it by myself then :)
[11:20] <goldfish> best way :)
[11:20] <shad0w1e> well thanks peoepl
[11:20] <goldfish> danko123456: userdel?
[11:20] <shad0w1e> peace
[11:20] <MightyF> goldfish, its pretty slim, hoary is, yet bloated enough to be functional as a desktop.  It seems to make streamlining your system pretty easy
[11:21] <Gandalfar> Anyone with Breezy and Xinerama solved the gnome-panel bug (bug #10179) - gnome-panel does not honor xinerama
[11:21] <goldfish> heh
[11:22] <yahalom> plz?
[11:23] <danko123456> DENIED!!
[11:23] <danko123456> hehe
[11:23] <danko123456> jj
[11:23] <goldfish> :)
[11:24] <danko123456> Thats what a guy at work does.
[11:24] <goldfish> ACCESS DENIED !!
[11:24] <goldfish> hmm...
[11:24] <iso> <3
[11:24] <danko123456> >4
[11:24] <danko123456> :P
[11:24] <goldfish> That's from a film or somethiing...
[11:24] <danko123456> k, Im  off to bed,
[11:24] <hunger> Anyone got working libboost-dev debs?
[11:24] <goldfish> night
[11:24] <MightyF> i should go to bed too
[11:25] <goldfish> hehe
[11:25] <goldfish> i am in bed !
[11:25] <goldfish> but its morning here, better get up soon.
[11:25] <danko123456> I installed Java on marc74's computer.
[11:25] <mpq> I think I need to update
[11:25] <danko123456> I ssh'd, then I su'd...
[11:25] <mpq> how do I update?
[11:26] <danko123456> ANd then it was easy...
[11:26] <danko123456> UPdate what?
[11:26] <inv> hi all
[11:26] <mpq> ubuntu
[11:26] <iso> apt-get update
[11:26] <mpq> I don't think I'm on the latest release
[11:26] <goldfish> hmmm
[11:26] <goldfish> mpq: are u running hoary?
[11:26] <mpq> yeah
[11:26] <goldfish> well
[11:26] <mpq> but not the release version
[11:26] <rj-away> sudo apt-get update
[11:26] <danko123456> thats updated enough for now.
[11:26] <goldfish> yep
[11:27] <goldfish> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[11:27] <MightyF> how is ubuntu for web, ftp, and samba servers?
[11:27] <iso> yes
[11:27] <iso> mightyf works sooper
[11:27] <danko123456> pertty good, MightyF
[11:27] <inv> ububntu packages now forked from debian unstable. now they're newest, like in debian. will it be in future. or versions of the packages will be lag from newest versions ?
[11:27] <MightyF> good, good
[11:27] <rj-away> Probably just as good as most other distributions?
[11:28] <MightyF> kk, i'm goin to bed
[11:28] <MightyF> gnite folks :)
[11:28] <goldfish> night MightyF
[11:28] <danko123456> night
[11:28] <MightyF> goldfish, thanks for answering my questions btw
[11:28] <goldfish> np
[11:28] <iso> i care more that it is well tested then if it's the newest version
[11:29] <iso> ...
[11:30] <forsaker8k6> mmm... enlightenment apt-getted... but... just a simple simple question...
[11:30] <inv> I agree with you. but I shold use only testing versions, but I want to have newest versions in unstable
[11:30] <forsaker8k6> how do i set up gdm to start an enlightenment session?
[11:30] <goldfish> forsaker8k6: at login screen
[11:30] <goldfish> click sessions
[11:30] <inv> I skeak about unstable versions
[11:30] <goldfish> choose enlightenment
[11:30] <inv> speak
[11:31] <inv> now, I'm using gentoo, but I don't like it, couse newest packages in too old
[11:31] <forsaker8k6> goldfish,  yep... there's no enlightenment session avaiable in session menu.. maybe i ahve to add it by myself?
[11:31] <hunger> How do I report a bug in ubuntu? The bugzilla.ubuntu.org is not responding to any request from me.
[11:31] <goldfish> forsaker8k6: jeez, hmmm, sorry, i wouldn't know :(
[11:31] <inv> not old, but some, but I need them
[11:31] <goldfish> forsaker8k6: don't think you hsould have to
[11:31] <goldfish> *should
[11:31] <iXappe> would ubuntu with XFce run fine on a G3 333 with 64 MB ram?
[11:32] <forsaker8k6> goldfish, ok thanks... i'll try to figure out what's going on ... :P
[11:32] <goldfish> hehe
[11:32] <goldfish> maybe someone else here has used it?
[11:32] <inv> not old = not all
[11:32] <goldfish> iXappe: slowly
[11:32] <goldfish> i'd say
[11:32] <goldfish> only one way to find out :)
[11:33] <pisuke> forsaker8k6: there's a program that comes with E that sets it up. can't remember the name
[11:33] <pisuke> forsaker8k6: have a look at /usr/bin
[11:33] <iXappe> goldfish: ok, a friend is asking cause his girlfriend got hold of that mac and it's running os 9
[11:34] <pisuke> forsaker8k6: using that program the default session was E
[11:34] <inv> bb all
[11:35] <forsaker8k6_> :|
[11:35] <iso> :| *pat pat*
[11:35] <kev0r> sup?
[11:37] <pisuke> forsaker8k6_: usr/bin/starte16 try that
[11:38] <forsaker8k6_> tnx i'll try
[11:39] <nxt> hello
[11:39] <Goonie> ok.. I just installed the gdesklet packages... how do I use them?
[11:40] <goldfish> em
[11:40] <forsaker8k6_> pisuke, i tryed /usr/bin/enlightenment.. and it seems to work... but how i set upo gdm to add an elnightenment session entry?
[11:40] <goldfish> Goonie: run gdesklets from a terminal
[11:40] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[11:40] <goldfish> it tells u what to run
[11:40] <da_bon_bon> why cant u play mp3s using the live cd ?
[11:41] <pisuke> forsaker8k6_ starte16 did that if i recall correctly
[11:41] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: because it's not legal in all countries.
[11:41] <Goonie> goldfish~ I did and all I got was:
[11:41] <Goonie> goonie@goonielap:~ $ gdesklets
[11:41] <Goonie> Starting gdesklets-daemon...
[11:41] <Goonie> Connected to daemon in 3358 milliseconds.
[11:41] <Goonie> goonie@goonielap:~ $
[11:41] <eruin> Choubaka: it is
[11:41] <pisuke> forsaker8k6_: i did it on warty it sets up .xsession so the default session is E
[11:41] <Choubaka> eruin: No?
[11:41] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka, oh, i know the legal issues. but somewhere i read that ubuntu supports mp3 playback by defualt
[11:41] <goldfish> Goonie: hmm, crap, cant remember the command.
[11:42] <goldfish> Goonie: man gdesklets, it tells u the command to get the menu up, sorry i cant remember it off hand.
[11:42] <Goonie> goldfish~ np thx anyway :)
[11:42] <forsaker8k6_> tnx pisuke ... i'll try
[11:42] <eruin> Choubaka: the problem is that fraunhofer has a non-free-compatible license
[11:43] <da_bon_bon> eruin, then why do other distros like <* - fedora> support mp3 playback ?
[11:43] <Goonie> goldfish~ lol... there's a gui tool on the gnome applications menu :$
[11:43] <da_bon_bon> eruin, and such distros, they cant be called free software, then ?
[11:43] <pixil9> Goonie, Can you tell me how if you figure it out
[11:43] <goldfish> Goonie: LOL
[11:43] <Choubaka> so using gpl decoders would be against the licence?
[11:43] <goldfish> Goonie: Ah right, not using gnome, didnt know about that :)
[11:43] <pixil9> ah its in the menu
[11:43] <pixil9> under accessories
[11:44] <Goonie> pixil9~ after install go to applications - accessories
[11:44] <da_bon_bon> are there any gpl decoders for mp3, Choubaka, eruin ?
[11:45] <RTN> ouch...
[11:46] <RTN> UbuntuLinux sucks (just to get your attention) :)
[11:46] <da_bon_bon> RTN, ?
[11:46] <da_bon_bon> RTN, trolling!
[11:46] <hunger> RTN: Yeap, I agree.
[11:46] <da_bon_bon> hey, why does ubuntu hoary not have any package for openoffice2 beta ?
[11:47] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: maybe OO2 wasn't considered stable enough for inclusion in Hoary.
[11:47] <RTN> I actually have a problem with the packages, reprositories and stuff also...
[11:47] <goldfish> hmm....
[11:47] <goldfish> Well.
[11:47] <RTN> We go to ubuntuguide.org...
[11:47] <goldfish> Your first comments are not a good way to get help.
[11:47] <goldfish> RTN: And?
[11:47] <da_bon_bon> Choubaka, :( man, atleast we should get a package. why should breezy dudes get everything great ?! :P{
[11:47] <snader> why don't you just ask your question.
[11:48] <RTN> did you read my fisrst comment untill the end of it.... :)
[11:48] <Choubaka> da_bon_bon: Never mind
[11:48] <Choubaka> it _IS_ in hoary.
[11:48] <Choubaka> openoffice.org2
[11:48] <da_bon_bon> then my apts crazy
[11:48] <Choubaka> universe/editors
[11:48] <da_bon_bon> OH soooo sorry
[11:48] <da_bon_bon> didnt enable multi uni verse
[11:48] <goldfish> RTN: yeah yeah, what's your problem?
[11:49] <pixil9> Well the weather desklet seems to broken
[11:49] <RTN> How to add extra reprositories? tells to add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main (&the company) to /etc/apt/sources.list file...
[11:49] <da_bon_bon> RTN, isnt it clear enough ?
[11:49] <_aBYss_> hello to everybody,
[11:49] <_aBYss_> does anyone know how to manage services in ubuntu (start/stop etc.),
[11:49] <_aBYss_> is there some tool/utility or everything is manual ?
[11:49] <RTN> nice. I have been doing that with other debian based distros also...
[11:49] <goldfish> wtf
[11:49] <da_bon_bon> RTN, nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add what u want!
[11:49] <marc74> hi all
[11:49] <pixil9> oops
[11:49] <goldfish> hi marc74
[11:49] <marc74> this is a great room
[11:49] <goldfish> It is.
[11:49] <marc74> goldfish, hi
[11:49] <Seveas> _aBYss_, /etc/init.s/$SERVICENAME (start|stop|reload)
[11:49] <da_bon_bon> RTN, or "echo <url> >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:50] <RTN> see my outcome of sudo apt-get update...
[11:50] <pixil9> init.d
[11:50] <marc74> goldfish, met someone that got java runtime running for me
[11:50] <da_bon_bon> RTN, DONT PASTE HERE
[11:50] <goldfish> marc74: yeah, so he said.
[11:50] <da_bon_bon> RTN, rafb.net/paste
[11:50] <pixil9> ?? pastebin
[11:50] <uhelper> pastebin[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:50] <pixil9> ?? past
[11:50] <uhelper> past[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:50] <pixil9> ?? paste
[11:50] <uhelper> paste: Please paste large selections of text at - http://www.pastebin.com - Thanks.
[11:50] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, echo "deb url dist sections" >> /etc/apt/sources.list you mean :)
[11:50] <marc74> goldfish, that is a friend
[11:50] <pixil9> lol
[11:50] <da_bon_bon> hey, is there no java packages for ubuntu :( ?
[11:50] <RTN> ouch... just remembered that removed the lines from the files...
[11:50] <pixil9> ?? jre
[11:51] <uhelper> jre: To simply enable java in firefox see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre -OR- If you wish to install java as a package please download the 'java-package' through synaptic or apt-get. Proceed by downloading the JRE linux bin from http://java.sun.com/ (either 1.4.2 or newer). Use the command 'make-jpkg linux1.4.2.bin' as an example. Then install with 'dpkg -i linux1.4.2.deb'
[11:51] <marc74> goldfish, i thought he left though
[11:51] <goldfish> marc74: ah right, yeah he went to bed.
[11:51] <forsaker8k6> yup yup i'm enlightened
[11:51] <RTN> thank you for all the help. I'll just try to work on it for say... 5 minutes... and let you know...
[11:51] <da_bon_bon> Seveas, hmm... i thought that ubuntuguide.org gave good instructions.. my bad anyway :)
[11:51] <marc74> goldfish, ahhhh
[11:51] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, ubuntuguide sometimes misses it :)
[11:51] <da_bon_bon> pixil9, what else can uhelper do ?
[11:51] <da_bon_bon> ?? list
[11:51] <uhelper> list[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:51] <Choubaka> uhelper: help
[11:52] <Choubaka> hm
[11:52] <Choubaka> no response.
[11:52] <marc74> goldfish, i could go on and on, i even gave him su access
[11:52] <RTN> all right...
[11:52] <goldfish> marc74: well.......
[11:52] <goldfish> marc74: I did that :)
[11:52] <da_bon_bon> ?? help
[11:52] <uhelper> help[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:52] <goldfish> marc74: And I paid the price.
[11:52] <da_bon_bon> uhelper, u suck
[11:52] <marc74> goldfish, i deleted the account
[11:52] <goldfish> marc74: hehe, so did I :)
[11:53] <rixth> I swear I'm going to kill something soon. CANNOT get Hoary to install, it always fails with "Could not retrieve BSDutils". I've tried redownloading from adiffernet mirror, some Bittorrent waty, nothing worked. My MD5sums are ALWAYS differnet. 'm tearing my hair out.
[11:53] <da_bon_bon> rixth, some = my way
[11:53] <goldfish> marc74: but he added an account to /etc/passwd with uid 0 gid 0,i.e root :)
[11:53] <da_bon_bon> :)
[11:53] <rixth> da_bon_bon, Indeed
[11:53] <da_bon_bon> rixth, the iso is not bad then
[11:53] <marc74> goldfish, oh i should check that out
[11:53] <rixth> I've also tried another CD drive
[11:53] <marc74> goldfish, how do i get a usser list?
[11:53] <goldfish> marc74: then ssh'd in and turned off my computer, coz i kicked him from irc :)
[11:53] <da_bon_bon> rixth, why is it trying to fetch from net in the first place ?
[11:53] <marc74> user*
[11:53] <goldfish> marc74: emm
[11:53] <_aBYss_> thanx seveas, but is there a graphical config tool or a monitor tool or something? (for services i mean)?
[11:53] <_aBYss_> thanx anyway
[11:53] <da_bon_bon> rixth, did u allow it to fetch u updated packages durring insatall ?
[11:54] <goldfish> marc74: look through /etc/passwd ?
[11:54] <marc74> can anyone help here?
[11:54] <rixth> da_bon_bon, it's not! I downloaded the ISO (i386 install disc) and the MD5s don't match.
[11:54] <marc74> ok gold
[11:54] <goldfish> marc74: my friend was only messing though, i got it all sorted
[11:54] <goldfish> i hope :)
[11:54] <da_bon_bon> rixth, then its a problem with the iso
[11:54] <rixth> da_bon_bon, I don't even get that far. It dies on the "Installing Base System" (at about 7%)
[11:54] <da_bon_bon> rixth, eek..
[11:54] <da_bon_bon> rixth, ur first time with linux ?
[11:54] <marc74> no shit gold
[11:55] <marc74> anyone know how to get a usr list?
[11:55] <hunger> marc74: ls /usr ?
[11:55] <da_bon_bon> rixth, tried rsync ?
[11:55] <rixth> da_bon_bon, No! I've used Fedora, Redhat, Knoppix, Suse & Debian
[11:55] <goldfish> lol
[11:55] <RTN> Dear Mr/Ms/Mrs da_bob_bon,
[11:55] <marc74> hunger, i'll try
[11:55] <rixth> da_bon_bon I can't figure it out.
[11:55] <marc74> root shell?
[11:55] <goldfish> hunger: list off user accounts on the computer he means.
[11:55] <nxt> tnx rix
[11:55] <RTN> I pasted the output of apt-get update into the web address you provided...
[11:56] <da_bon_bon> rixth, hmm.. i want to say that if it is ur first time, then sorry for bad experience
[11:56] <marc74> i gave access to someone
[11:56] <hunger> goldfish: Oh... those logged in at the moment or all accounts?
[11:56] <rixth> da_bon_bon first time with Ubuntu!
[11:56] <goldfish> all accounts
[11:56] <marc74> wanna know if they made an account
[11:56] <da_bon_bon> RTN, mr. ... and paste the url of the page where u see ur pasted output
[11:56] <marc74> i can do who all day long
[11:56] <da_bon_bon> rixth, even rsync didnt work ?
[11:56] <hunger> goldfish: cat /etc/passwd should work then.
[11:56] <RTN> http://rafb.net/paste/results/bRJDAL16.html
[11:56] <goldfish> aye
[11:56] <RTN> good enough...
[11:56] <RTN> it is a standard error message...
[11:56] <goldfish> marc74: yes, as i thought, look through /etc/passwd
[11:57] <snowblink> rixth, bad burn - I had a bunch of those
[11:57] <marc74> he made it so i can just type in su and have root
[11:57] <goldfish> lol
[11:57] <goldfish> that's a bit dangerous
[11:57] <marc74> what else did he do
[11:57] <goldfish> no idea
[11:57] <da_bon_bon> RTN, read the wiki - search for "apt authentication"
[11:57] <marc74> maybe i should reinstall eh?
[11:57] <goldfish> marc74: no
[11:57] <da_bon_bon> RTN, your sources.list is perfect
[11:57] <goldfish> marc74: do you know him in real life yeah?
[11:57] <RTN> thnx. i knew i had done something wrong...
[11:57] <marc74> goldfish, no
[11:57] <eruin> da_bon_bon: fedora _doesn't_ support mp3 out of the box
[11:58] <goldfish> marc74: i see.
[11:58] <marc74> goldfish, he helped me install java runtime
[11:58] <eruin> very few distros do due to potential legal problems
[11:58] <da_bon_bon> eruin, i know it doesnt. hence i mean - * minus fedora
[11:58] <goldfish> marc74: oh right
[11:58] <marc74> if i reinstall i lose that
[11:58] <da_bon_bon> RTN, u did nothing wrong. its fucking apt and fucking marillat
[11:58] <rixth> snowblink, I've tried 3 different burns (from ISOs from different mirrors) I'm using a good quality burner with good discs. i cant see why it should keep failing! snowblink, the MD5 sum's differ.
[11:58] <amichai> what is all this mp3 support stuff? i dont get it. what does it mean? obviously not that it m3 cant be played, can someone clear that for me
[11:58] <marc74> goldfish, what do i do?
[11:58] <rixth> It should be pointed out that I'm burning theses ISO's from Windows XP
[11:59] <RTN> wrong = i could not find it myself from wiki... ;)
[11:59] <marc74> goldfish, can i get a user list?
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> RTN, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[11:59] <pixil9> RTN: ur burner is borked
[11:59] <RTN> where do i send the beer? :)
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> rixth, xp cant be a problem. nero ?
[11:59] <marc74> /usr/passswd?
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> pixil9, u mean rixth
[11:59] <goldfish> marc74: no
[11:59] <snowblink> rixth, Yeah, had the same. I tried on lots of different machines too. You could try slowing the speed, but ultimately it took a friend posting me a CD
[11:59] <marc74> goldfish, i'm root
[11:59] <goldfish> marc74: nano /cat/passwd
[11:59] <da_bon_bon> snowblink, same here :D
[12:00] <goldfish> marc74: run that in a terminal
[12:00] <da_bon_bon> rixth, rsync bittorrent are perfect and _must_ work
[12:00] <marc74> my ip is static
[12:00] <RTN> da_bon_bon, If I get this working now, you will have a stong marketing force on board... :)
[12:00] <marc74> what is nano?
[12:00] <da_bon_bon> RTN, heh, it just cost u 10,000 bucks for the help :P
[12:00] <da_bon_bon> RTN, a check would be fine
[12:00] <Fator_Dee> marc74: console text editor
[12:00] <snowblink> rixth, don't know if mounting it as an ISO is a possibility for you.
[12:00] <goldfish> marc74: nano is a text editor.
[12:01] <marc74> maybe i can just do a ls in the usr dir
[12:01] <marc74> eh?
[12:01] <rixth> da_bon_bon, I've tried the ISO Recorder powertoy and Alcohol 120%. There's this one app I used for all my Debian ISOs, BurnCDCC, that complainged that the ISo wasn't valid
[12:01] <goldfish> marc74: no
[12:01] <marc74> emacs and vim are my editors
[12:01] <da_bon_bon> rixth, try nero ?
[12:01] <marc74> for linux
[12:01] <Fator_Dee> marc74: what are you trying to do?
[12:02] <rixth> da_bon_bon, I'll give it a go. Don't like my chances because the MD5s are differnet.
[12:02] <hunger> Anyone got /usr/include/boost/config.hpp for me? It is missing in the debs:-(
[12:02] <guruff> hi; why do i need anacron(cron or whataver it is called) anyhow ?
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> rixth, i am still surprized that md5 are different. turn of all antivirus
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> ?
[12:02] <goldfish> marc74: ok
[12:02] <marc74> i'm trying to find out if someone i gave access to my shell made an account that has root access
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> maybe it is messing the iso ?
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> or mark the iso as read only
[12:02] <da_bon_bon> the moment u d'ld it, rixth
[12:02] <goldfish> marc74: want me to have a look?
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> marc74: look the /etc/sudoers file maybe?
[12:02] <hunger> marc74: grep ":0:" /etc/passwd
[12:02] <Q_Continuum> 3 cheers for 700MB of packages to install over wide-open wifi! lol
[12:02] <snowblink> rixth, your MD5s differ after you download or after you burn?
[12:03] <marc74> i can give you limited account gold
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> or system -> administration -> users and groups?
[12:03] <hunger> marc74: If that gives more than one line starting with "root" then you might have trouble.
[12:03] <da_bon_bon> RTN, did it work ?
[12:03] <rixth> Oh man. I am such a dolt. I downloaded a Ubuntu iso (definatley corrupt) it was 678mb, I had it on the desktop. I downloaded a new one. But the whole time, I was buring the 678mb one. I'm such a fucking idiot.
[12:04] <rixth> There's my problem.
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> rixth, oh FUCK!
[12:04] <pixil9> rixth, you are quite retarded!!!
[12:04] <mac_bobby> hello guys. short question: is it possible to install Kubuntu from a live-cd-version?
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> rixth: something like that happens to everyone :-)
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> rixth, man, ppl do make foolish mistakes
[12:04] <pixil9> rixth, go shoot yourself now
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> rixth, have a piece of cake, and enjoy ubuntu
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> ok, then, bye all
[12:04] <pixil9> lol jk
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> cya all later
[12:04] <rixth> See ya da_bon_bon!
[12:04] <da_bon_bon> rixth, cya :) hopefully on ubuntu :)
[12:04] <rixth> I'll be back later. (From Ubuntu hopefully)
[12:15] <Goonie> goldfish~ in gdesklets shell... it should be enough to double click a desklet in the list right?
[12:20] <hunger> How do I report a deb in universe to be broken? The debian one works fine by the way.
[12:20] <bob2> use malone
[12:21] <bob2> launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/
[12:21] <RTN> would someone explain to me what is wrong with the apt-get stuff ....
[12:21] <snowblink> hunger, #motu?
[12:21] <RTN> I got that you need to go through some authentication thingie...
[12:21] <hunger> snowblink: What is #motu?
[12:22] <hunger> bob2: Oh, no! not malone!
[12:22] <Riddell> #ubuntu-motu
[12:22] <RTN> terve, petteri!
[12:22] <Fackamato> t
[12:22] <pixil9> wtf heh
[12:23] <eruin> anyone know a kate replacement for gnome?
[12:24] <hunger> bob2: malone never works for me!
[12:24] <lapo> hi there
[12:28] <RTN> let's start it all over...
[12:28] <RTN> anybody listening?
[12:28] <RTN> UBUNTU SUCKS!!!
[12:28] <RTN> to  add some places into /etc/apt/souces.list
[12:28] <pixil9> RTN, you suck
[12:28] <Goonie> RTN~ why?
[12:28] <RTN> what do you do?
[12:28] <RTN> why: to get your attention.
[12:28] <pixil9> RTN, edit it with pico?
[12:29] <tiggggr> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:29] <RTN> allright, edited it with vi...
[12:29] <lapo> let see how xchat ignore lisyt works...
[12:29] <AvvY> lol
[12:29] <RTN> apt-get update gives errors...
[12:29] <AvvY> RTN: are u running the AMD64 version?
[12:29] <RTN> nope...
[12:29] <RTN> the usual ...
[12:30] <AvvY> RTN: you should check your sources list entries and make sure they are correct
[12:30] <RTN> i took the usual and added kde...
[12:30] <RTN> seee....
[12:30] <AvvY> kde...bah
[12:30] <pixil9> ?? repository > RTN
[12:30] <RTN> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[12:31] <RTN> that's the one giving me the error.... one moment...
[12:31] <Goonie> RTN~ did you add the pgp key for marillat ?
[12:31] <RTN> Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release.gpg
[12:31] <RTN>   Could not connect to ftp.nerim.net:21 (62.4.17.14). - connect (111 Connection refused) [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] 
[12:32] <RTN> allright... how do i add the pgp key for marillat.
[12:32] <eruin> hunger: it's not that it doesn't work, but more that nobodys tracking it, atleast atm
[12:33] <snowblink> RTN can you connect to ftp.nerim.net from command line?
[12:33] <RTN> OT: what does the marillat mean actually...
[12:33] <RTN> connect from command line... mean like ping?
[12:33] <hunger> eruin: It does not work, dunno why.
[12:34] <snowblink> RTN, can you ftp to it?
[12:34] <pixil9> RTN, I gave you the link. It's step #6.
[12:35] <hunger> eruin: So what should happen now?
[12:35] <RTN> i cant ftp to it...
[12:35] <snowblink> RTN, then it's another problem, not apt
[12:35] <migunal> is it possible to make a shortcut to nautilus, but to be run as root (with password prompt) on the gnome menu ?
[12:36] <RTN> pixil9... what link....
[12:36] <RTN> is there anything network administrator can do without me knowing it to disable my apt-get stuff...
[12:37] <hunger> That is a security issue!
[12:37] <pixil9> ?? repository
[12:37] <uhelper> repository: To enable extra repositories please visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories (backports & marillat) or if you just wish to enable ubuntu repositories you may go into synaptic package manager --> Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Re-add using the Add button.
[12:37] <pixil9> that one.
[12:37] <hunger> RTN: Block the servers?
[12:37] <snowblink> pixil9, he may be blocked
[12:37] <RTN> I mean... I could boot another computer nearby with another debian distro... bet you 5 it's gonna work... we really don't have a network administrator here...
[12:37] <pixil9> probably.. you don't need the key
[12:38] <snowblink> RTN do you have a firewall that blocks FTP?
[12:38] <RTN> FT
[12:38] <RTN> ftp works...
[12:38] <migunal> you guys ? how do i make a program ask for password from gnome ?
[12:38] <RTN> we got firewall... but now...
[12:39] <RTN> when i think about it... some guy came in here like two days ago and was fiddeling something with firewall and traffic and stuff...
[12:39] <RTN> stop.... i'll test with another computer different distro...
[12:40] <pixil9> RTN, ok we're stopped
[12:47] <rottis> hello
[12:48] <pixil9> hi.
[12:48] <yahalom> hi
[12:49] <Q_Continuum> pixil9: ping
[12:49] <Q_Continuum> lol
[12:50] <jono> hi all
[12:50] <yahalom> hi jonathaN
[12:50] <yahalom> hi jono
[12:50] <jono> is there a way to run a seperate X server in a window? I want to play with some development X.org stuff
[12:51] <yahalom> hi jonathaN anyway :)
[12:51] <hunger> jono: xnest
[12:51] <hunger> jono: A nested xserver.
[12:51] <jono> hunger, ahhh cool
[12:54] <marc74> when you remove a user, why doesn't it remove thier directorie(s)
[12:54] <marc74> and files
[12:54] <RTN> Just to wake you up again....
[12:54] <RTN> UBUNTU SUCKS!!!
[12:54] <RTN> thank you for your attention...
[12:54] <RTN> I could not find any computer at the moment for testing..
[12:55] <marc74> rmdir or what to do that?
[12:55] <AirWays> Where I can configure Apache in my Ubuntu?
[12:55] <marc74> shell
[12:56] <RTN> + config files
[12:56] <snowblink> AirWays, /etc/apache2
[12:56] <marc74> how do you remove directories?
[12:56] <Fator_Dee> marc74: rm -r directoryname
[12:56] <Fator_Dee> marc74: or rmdir directoryname if it's empty
[12:56] <marc74> fabbione, thanks
[12:57] <Fator_Dee> :-\
[12:57] <marc74> Fator_Dee, thanks
[12:57] <AirWays> Ih tnaks
[12:57] <RTN> got the answer ftp is closed by network administrator..
[12:57] <marc74> fabbione, typo
[12:57] <AirWays> httpd.conf ?
[12:57] <marc74> Fator_Dee, thanks
[12:57] <snowblink> AirWays, what do you want to do?
[12:58] <Fator_Dee> marc74: np
[12:58] <marc74> Fator_Dee, i'm still trying to lean bash
[12:58] <AirWays> Well, set my httpd directory
[12:58] <marc74> learn even
[12:58] <AirWays> Where is my all html files ,P
[12:59] <snowblink> AirWays, look at sites-enabled
[12:59] <AirWays> Not apache2.conf ?
[12:59] <marc74> Fator_Dee, is rm -r a fail safe way?
[12:59] <amichai> ok xkb layout is crashing my xfce panel, any ideas?
[12:59] <Fator_Dee> marc74: if you know what you are deleting, then yes
[12:59] <marc74> Fator_Dee, what if there are files there?
[12:59] <poningru> guys where can I find 64bit ubuntu
[12:59] <poningru> please help
[01:00] <Bazzi> ubuntulinux.org ;)
[01:00] <AvvY> lol
[01:00] <snowblink> AirWays, personally, I would edit my default site in sites-enabled/available
[01:00] <Fator_Dee> marc74: it's safe way to remove files
[01:00] <AvvY> poningru: its the AMD64 version
[01:00] <snowblink> marc74, rm -i if you want to be asked
[01:00] <poningru> what
[01:00] <marc74> Fator_Dee, ok, i don't wanna remove stuff that i don't wanna
[01:00] <AirWays> well, I want to first director on apache is : /home/petteri/html/
[01:01] <poningru> doh
[01:01] <poningru> ok thanks
[01:01] <marc74> i don't wanna do damage
[01:01] <AvvY> poningru: yes you are :P
[01:02] <marc74> is it like kinda saying in dos del <dir>
[01:02] <lapo> is gnome-vfs support brokern in oo.o2 too?
[01:02] <snowblink> marc74, man rm
[01:03] <marc74> snowblink, ok i'm following you there
[01:03] <AirWays> I put my HTML files to /etc/apache2/sites-available/ directory?
[01:03] <snowblink> AirWays, no
[01:03] <marc74> snowblink, but the default seems damaging
[01:03] <AirWays> Then?
[01:03] <snowblink> marc74, set up an alias
[01:03] <AirWays> Oh
[01:03] <snowblink> AirWays, read the README
[01:03] <marc74> you guys remember dos?
[01:03] <AirWays> /var/www/apache2-default/ <-- ..
[01:03] <AirWays> Well, how I can start apache?
[01:04] <marc74> kinda like the shell
[01:04] <snowblink> marc74, alias rm='rm -i'
[01:04] <marc74> snowblink, wtf?
[01:04] <snowblink> marc74, help alias
[01:04] <marc74> snowblink, ok
[01:04] <marc74> snowblink, i'll do that
[01:05] <snowblink> AirWays, like any other service
[01:05] <marc74> snowblink, i have so much to learn
[01:05] <AirWays> Jeah
[01:06] <marc74> linux is so powerful though
[01:06] <Q_Continuum> it is...
[01:06] <Q_Continuum> so VERY powerful.
[01:06] <marc74> yes
[01:06] <Fator_Dee> but it's not difficult deleting things from the command line
[01:06] <marc74> so powerful you might have to reinstall it
[01:06] <Q_Continuum> easy to learn, difficult to master.
[01:06] <Q_Continuum> lol yes marc very very true.
[01:07] <marc74> hahaha Q
[01:07] <marc74> if you fork up
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> hehe
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> you're toast.
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> I've done it.
[01:08] <marc74> i still type dir in the shell
[01:08] <snowblink> marc74, you probably won't make the same disasterous mistake twice in your life.
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> lol
[01:08] <marc74> though ls works better
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> I've done dir once or twice myself
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> then I go DOH
[01:08] <Q_Continuum> and do an ls -l
[01:08] <marc74> works in ubuntu
[01:08] <marc74> and some other dists
[01:09] <marc74> doh like homer?
[01:09] <Q_Continuum> yeah.
[01:09] <Q_Continuum> and sometimes I even hit myself on the head.
[01:09] <marc74> snowblink, yeah true
[01:09] <marc74> snowblink, just saying it is possible
[01:09] <snowblink> marc74, sure, but you'll remember the next time. ;)
[01:09] <marc74> snowblink, oh yeah
[01:10] <marc74> i'm still learning the basics though
[01:11] <marc74> but i know how powerful root is
[01:11] <marc74> or su
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> root
[01:11] <marc74> any linux experts here?
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> su just lets you change users
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably lots, just none here right now
[01:12] <marc74> anyone?
[01:12] <qweqw> expert?
[01:13] <qweqw> what do you need
[01:13] <snowblink> marc74, what's your question?
[01:13] <Q_Continuum> hahaha
[01:13] <marc74> forget the expert part
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> will 'user" do?
[01:13] <marc74> this is a pm question
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> 490 then ;)
[01:13] <marc74> anyone not a noob like me?
[01:13] <marc74> hahahahahhaa
[01:14] <qweqw> ask the question in the channel, ya freak
[01:14] <Fator_Dee> well, depends how expert one has to be
[01:14] <marc74> ok i will
[01:14] <marc74> just paranoid
[01:14] <qweqw> you're wearing your tinfoil hat, right?
[01:14] <marc74> but someone came on and installed jre for me, thanks much
[01:15] <marc74> and changed how i can log onto root
[01:15] <qweqw> you're letting some irc luser access your machine
[01:15] <marc74> no pass
[01:15] <qweqw> that's not smart
[01:15] <marc74> i can reinstall everything
[01:15] <Fator_Dee> but still
[01:15] <qweqw> so change the root passwrd
[01:15] <roberto> hi all
[01:15] <marc74> did
[01:15] <roberto> i need help with menu
[01:16] <roberto> i dont know edit meenu
[01:16] <marc74> you think i'm gonna tell someone that pass
[01:16] <marc74> but how can i change the su feature?
[01:16] <roberto> plz help
[01:17] <roberto> gnome 2.10 no have option with right click
[01:17] <marc74> can you log on your terminal as a usesr and get root priv by just typing su
[01:17] <qweqw> do you have /etc/sudoers
[01:17] <snowblink> qweqw, he may have enabled the root account
[01:17] <marc74> no
[01:18] <AirWays> How I can restart Apache?
[01:18] <qweqw> are yo sure, Marble2
[01:18] <qweqw> marc
[01:18] <snowblink> AirWays, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[01:18] <marc74> not unless it is hidden
[01:18] <AirWays> Oka thanks
[01:18] <qweqw> try it as root
[01:18] <marc74> ok
[01:18] <roberto> guys i need you help with menu
[01:18] <roberto> plz
[01:19] <marc74> no no such file or direcory
[01:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[01:19] <qweqw> wtf
[01:19] <qweqw> do you have sudo installed
[01:19] <marc74> guess not
[01:19] <qweqw> ...
[01:19] <snowblink> marc74, you're not making sense
[01:20] <marc74> where should it be?
[01:20] <marc74> maybe i tyop'd
[01:20] <AirWays> Damn
[01:20] <AirWays> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[01:20] <AirWays> It doesnt shutdown :P
[01:20] <qweqw> ls /etc/sudo*
[01:20] <marc74> give me the exact locatoin
[01:20] <snowblink> AirWays, did you use sudo?
[01:20] <AirWays> :D
[01:21] <AirWays> Never remember ;P
[01:21] <AirWays> Thanks
[01:21] <Fator_Dee> roberto: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor have you tried that?
[01:21] <marc74> fuck
[01:22] <qweqw> well
[01:22] <roberto> yes i install but not remove the tux kart
[01:22] <qweqw> don't allow root logins
[01:22] <marc74> anyone want some trivial access to my comp?
[01:23] <snowblink> marc74, no, and you shouldn't offer it
[01:23] <roberto> menu-editor dont work
[01:23] <qweqw> it's not trivial unless you are running a virtual machine or something like that
[01:23] <marc74> snowblink, this is not root access
[01:23] <snowblink> marc74, so?
[01:24] <qweqw> it's much easier to exploit a system if you have access to it
[01:24] <qweqw> they are called local exploits
[01:24] <qweqw> there's a ton of them
[01:24] <qweqw> just saying
[01:25] <qweqw> don't trust people on the internet
[01:25] <qweqw> dek
[01:26] <qweqw> definetely do not allow root logins with no password if you are running a server that is wide open to the internet
[01:26] <Fator_Dee> maybe it would be best to reinstall and let this be a lesson
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> how many ppl here run servers off their boxes?
[01:27] <qweqw> nothing will learn ya like screwing up
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> qweqw. finding a good guru helps
[01:30] <Abood> hi all
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:32] <Abood> guysss, yesterday i added a repos and the ubuntu told me that there r updates so i updated the packages, since its finished its started install and suddenly crashed and gaved me error, i rebooted the pc and now it gives me error xserver i did many things to get it back but dosent work, any idea ?!
[01:32] <Fator_Dee> what repos you added?
[01:32] <Abood> ftp.nerim.net
[01:33] <Fator_Dee> mixing = not good
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> re do upgrade
[01:33] <snowblink> is nerim setup for hoary?
[01:33] <Choubaka> no.
[01:33] <Choubaka> you could try ubuntu backports.
[01:34] <Abood> i configued the xserver but when i eneter the grapical its opens a terminal window with that error msg " There was error creating child process for this terminal" and when i close it it log out by it self :S
[01:35] <eruin> anyone have an eclipse repository?
[01:35] <Fator_Dee> you should keep the non-ubuntu repos enabled only temporarily so that kind of things won't happen
[01:35] <Abood> i saw the syslog and get many errors oe of them " Running the Xkeeps crashing script"
[01:36] <Abood> guys i need a solution any body have an idea, or i must reinstall ubuntu again ?!
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-get upgrade
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> using official mirrors of some sort
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use my ISPs
[01:37] <snowblink> Abood, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:37] <Abood> im on damn xp, well more idea to reboot and try
[01:37] <Abood> snowblink i reconfigued the xserver well :) but its crashing dude
[01:38] <snowblink> Abood, check your sync rates
[01:38] <Abood> also did
[01:38] <onno> small question, I'm on two networks. And I the mail server changes for each network. Is it possible to assign all request for ip x to ip x and how do I do that?
[01:38] <Abood> Kamping_Kaiser well i will try aptget upgrade and come back, brb all
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[01:39] <Insom> i have just installed new hoary and i can't log on as a root user.... when i try to run login screen setup or any other manager that needs root privileges it just tells me that my password is wrong, and this is my third attempt to install the damn thing, so i know i didin't get the password wrong :(.. any suggestions?
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> insom. you in the first account?
[01:39] <onno> Your root is the same as your user
[01:39] <snowblink> Insom, use your own password
[01:39] <onno> you need to use sudo
[01:39] <onno> do man sudo
[01:39] <Insom> kamping.. jes
[01:39] <Insom> yes
[01:40] <Insom> snow i did
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you do a custom install?
[01:40] <Insom> what is the default password for root account?
[01:40] <Sticky> just use the same password as your user, then passwd root (once you get in to root) and make a new password
[01:40] <snowblink> Insom, root account is locked
[01:40] <Sm4sh> why graveman dont blank the cds?
[01:40] <Insom> snow, how do i unlock it?
[01:40] <snowblink> Insom, you don't. Use sudo
[01:41] <Insom> snow the sam thing
[01:41] <Insom> won't let me
[01:41] <Sticky> Insom: just use the same password as your user to get in, then type "passwd root" and change your password
[01:41] <Insom> sticky: i did.. nothing
[01:41] <Sticky> do this
[01:41] <Insom> this is frustrating
[01:42] <Sticky> which window manager are you using? so I can help you with screenshots lol
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you create a root passwd things go awol :O!
[01:42] <snowblink> Insom, what are you trying to run?
[01:42] <Sticky> no they dont Kamping_Kaiser
[01:42] <Insom> login screen manager
[01:42] <Sticky> lol
[01:42] <Predius|sleep> "sudo passwd rot"
[01:42] <Sticky> use your user account to login that way
[01:42] <Predius|sleep> "sudo passwd root"
[01:42] <Insom> network manager, u name it.. nothing!
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> they have on all the boxes we added root passwords to
[01:42] <Sticky> hes at the login place lol
[01:42] <Insom> sudo passwd root
[01:43] <Sticky> Insom: PM me and I'll help you
[01:44] <Q_Continuum> what's the command to override architecture on dpkg installs?  (i386 package on amd64)
[01:44] <AirWays> application/x-httpd-php <-- Opera want to save that file when I connect to my apache server ::P there is only index.php file
[01:44] <AirWays> Whyt?
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> nothing asocieated wtiht PHP
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> *with
[01:45] <AirWays> So what I should do ?
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways. is this your server? or a remote box?
[01:46] <RTN> will you forgive me and try again on monday..... just because i  will install ubuntu on  all the compputers available over the weekend.....
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yours. just checked your psot ;)
[01:46] <AirWays> Apache running on other computer...
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *post
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> install php support
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-cache search php
[01:46] <AirWays> Okhy
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> then apt-get install php-apache-module or somthing like taht
[01:47] <Raskall> will this work as a wifi hotspot gateway? my lan server (ubuntu) behind my ipcop fireway gets a wifi usb dongle. I unplug the wlan access point from the lan switch. I set up a dhcp-server to listen only on the usb-dongle. Known mac's get a dhcp-lease with default gateway. unknown clients do not get def gw, but are presented with a redirected page telling them to call or mail me to get access.
[01:47] <AirWays> python-htmltmpl - Templating engine for separation of code and HTML
[01:47] <AirWays> python2.3-htmltmpl - Templating engine for separation of code and HTML
[01:47] <AirWays> Those?
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a tic airways
[01:47] <Raskall> I also set up a shorewall firewall on the usb dongle in the server.
[01:47] <AirWays> tic?
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> tic == moment
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> tic of the clock
[01:48] <AirWays> :D
[01:48] <AirWays> Okay
[01:48] <Q_Continuum> grrrr.
[01:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways, try apt-get install php4
[01:49] <AirWays> E: Couldn't find package php4
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[01:50] <Sm4sh> how i can play audio/video streaming?
[01:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways. its there, you might need universe
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> sm4sh. from where?
[01:51] <AirWays> amm, what you mean?
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)
[01:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> in your /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:51] <AirWays> Okay...
[01:51] <AirWays> a...
[01:52] <AirWays> What about that "/etc/apt/sources.lst" ?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i dont know where packages are. i have them all enabled....
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats where to make sure its enabled.
[01:52] <AirWays> How I can enable all those?
[01:52] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <AirWays> Yeah
[01:53] <AirWays> And thne+
[01:53] <AirWays> apt-get source /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <AirWays> Or?
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[01:53] <AirWays> What then?
[01:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <AirWays> And then?
[01:53] <Sm4sh> Kamping_Kaiser, im trying to play video streaming with Totem in Firefox,I use too vlc and xine
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> sm4sh, check you have gstreamer (iirc)
[01:54] <AirWays> Kamping_Kaiser: what about that sources.list ?
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways, # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> remove the #
[01:55] <Lwolf> hi, need some help, i've installed modutils , put into it alias wlan0 prism2_usb restarted modutils, make a depmod -a , but still : modprobe wlan0 say that wlan0 module is not known...someone can help me ?
[01:55] <AirWays> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[01:55] <AirWays> I have warty
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> then use warty :) i have breezy
[01:55] <tonquin> hi everyone, hey my sound is limping but will play waves. won't record.  skype hangs etc etc.   i've got a lame onboard via 8233 sound chip  (works with Mepis)  any hints on how to get skype working with this?
[01:55] <AirWays> :D
[01:55] <Q_Continuum> well, I get reamed AGAIN for going amd64 >.<
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways, comment out the cdrom
[01:56] <AirWays> I put # to front of that lineN?
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonquin, i dont remember hte fix off the top of my head. check the site :O
[01:56] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[01:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[01:56] <Sm4sh> Kamping_Kaiser, i installed totem-xine and w32codecs
[01:56] <AirWays> And what then?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sm4sh install gstreamer... i think thats what you need
[01:57] <ismael_> what about mplayer on ubuntu ?
[01:57] <CarlK> tonquin - get a new VoIP app ;)  here is a great place to start looking: www.voip-info.org/
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways, add "universe" onto the lines like the one i showed you
[01:57] <AirWays> Okay...
[01:58] <tonquin> Kamping_Kaiser:  anywhere in particular..i have looked in the past ...didn't see an obvious reference.
[01:58] <AirWays> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe
[01:58] <AirWays> Like that?
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> do one for updates and security as well
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonquin.
[01:58] <Q_Continuum> Grrrr......I HATE binary drivers.
[01:58] <eruin> what should plugin_home be set to for java? anyone know?
[01:58] <AirWays> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> it can be got from apt. not sure where it is (universe etc)
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats up q_c?
[01:59] <Q_Continuum> Airways: do a "sudo apt-get update"
[01:59] <thoreauputic> eruin: see the guide on http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:59] <AirWays> Okay
[01:59] <Q_Continuum> sl-modem drivers dont' work on amd64 >.<
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[01:59] <Q_Continuum> hard-coded to the i386 kernel
[01:59] <eruin> cheers thoreauputic :)
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> bad luck q_continuum
[02:00] <eruin> thoreauputic: err, well, it's not there
[02:00] <Q_Continuum> posted my output to #flood
[02:01] <AirWays> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:01] <AirWays>   php4: Depends: libmm13 but it is not installable
[02:01] <thoreauputic> eruin: what isn't there? The path you need?
[02:01] <AirWays>         Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.31) but it is not installable
[02:01] <AirWays> E: Broken packages
[02:01] <eruin> thoreauputic: I'm talking java itself - don't wanna have icky java stuff in my browser ;-)
[02:01] <Q_Continuum>  sl-modem-modules-2.6.10-5-386 depends on linux-image-2.6.10-5-386; however:
[02:01] <Q_Continuum>   Package linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 is not installed.
[02:01] <eruin> thoreauputic: yeah, I just searched that page for plugin_path.. not there
[02:01] <AirWays> Whats wrong..?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> eruin: you want to *remove* the plugins?
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways, your apaches needs updating
[02:01] <AirWays> How I can update it =D
[02:02] <eruin> thoreauputic: I dont have the plugins. java_vm is complaining about plugin_path not being set - I need to know what its suppsed to point at ;)
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> q_c. install it
[02:02] <rottis> how can i get mysql work in my apache?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> eruin: ah i see - well I don't know the answer to that one, sorry
[02:02] <eruin> thoreauputic: thanks for trying tho ;)
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> airways. im not sure which servers "normal" people use, i use my isps mirrors, and they arnt confusing like the others ;)
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> rottis. could you have  make a less helpfull question?
[02:03] <rottis> hmm
[02:03] <rottis> how do i get mysql then
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt or synaptic
[02:04] <Q_Continuum> *posts the sl-modem amd64 thing to the forums*
[02:04] <ztonzy> hi
[02:04] <ztonzy> what do I need under KDE to change fontsize and themes for GTK apps ??
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ztonzy. #Kubuntu
[02:04] <ztonzy> Kamping_Kaiser, sorry... I thought I was in that channel :D
[02:04] <ztonzy> haha
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs ppl :)
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:05] <ztonzy> Kamping_Kaiser, I have that channel loaded as well
[02:05] <Leppiz> hi, how can i tell esd to use second sound card as an amarok option?
[02:06] <AirWays> How I can put FTP to that Apache?
[02:06] <Ferkel> hi all... i neeed help!! ive downloaded the Ubuntu v.5.04! the install CD!! i had burn it on a CD but it isnt a boot disk...!! i cant install it!!
[02:07] <propagandhi> Ferkel: what program did u burn it with
[02:07] <Ferkel> i had deamon tools to emulate the .iso!! then i burned it wit clone cd!!
[02:07] <AirWays> Maybe burned it too fast ;P
[02:08] <AirWays> Amm
[02:08] <AirWays> How I can start irssi
[02:08] <Ferkel> which program should i take to burn the .iso??
[02:08] <thoreauputic> AirWays: type irssi in a terminal or console tty
[02:08] <AirWays> Nothuing
[02:09] <propagandhi> Ferkel: do u have any other burning software such as nero or Easy CD creator or similar
[02:09] <thoreauputic> AirWays: then it isn't installed
[02:09] <Ferkel> yeah.. nero!, alcohol 120%, clone CD, Fireburner!!
[02:09] <thoreauputic> Ferkel: burn as image
[02:09] <Ferkel> wih nero
[02:10] <Ferkel> ?
[02:10] <Sticky> you ubuntu developers should include sshd ffs, and gcc!
[02:10] <thoreauputic> Sticky: gcc is on the CD
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> isnt it on the hdd, but not installed?
[02:10] <thoreauputic> Sticky: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:10] <Sticky> But its not installed by default, and 90% of everyone who uses ubuntu is noobs
[02:11] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: possinle
[02:11] <Sticky> thoreauputic: I know, I'm not a noob
[02:11] <thoreauputic> haha
[02:11] <thoreauputic> possible i meant
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:11] <queuetue> Sticky, I would definitly *not* agree that 90% of Ubuntu users are new to linux...
[02:11] <thoreauputic> Sticky: well, my mind reading is not up toi scratch today, sorry ;-)
[02:11] <Sticky> most of the ones I met lol
[02:11] <propagandhi> Ferkel: I use Nero or K3B if linux available - never failed so far when burning ISO's
[02:11] <Funraiser> does someone use nget?
[02:12] <queuetue> Sticky, I would agree that a large number of people who ask questions are new.
[02:12] <Sticky> queuetue: you missed my point
[02:12] <Sticky> and I dont feel like explaining it
[02:13] <queuetue> Sticky, Sounds like a win for both of us. :)
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Sticky: and it's openssh-server  for sshd - but since you aren't a newb you knew that of course
[02:13] <Sticky> thoreauputic: Yes I know
[02:13] <thoreauputic> Sticky: great
[02:13] <Sticky> thoreauputic: I was just putting it as "sshd" for those who dont know :P
[02:13] <Sticky> since it is an ssh daemon
[02:14] <Sticky> but anyways back to helping Insom
[02:15] <elekis> hi, I need help
[02:15] <elekis> I try to install my scanner whois a hp scanjet 5p
[02:16] <elekis> there 's worked on debian unstable but here, I have some trouble
[02:16] <yccheok> hi
[02:16] <Ferkels_grosses_> hi
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:16] <Ferkels_grosses_> sorry my PC shut down
[02:16] <Ferkels_grosses_> shit
[02:16] <yccheok> can anyone see wat i am typing??
[02:16] <Ferkels_grosses_> yes yccheok!!
[02:16] <elekis> yccheok --> yes
[02:16] <thoreauputic> yccheok: no, it's invisible here
[02:17] <elekis> how to learn a module sg on the boot??
[02:17] <elekis> heu how start a module on boot
[02:17] <elekis> ?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> elekis: put it in /etc/modules
[02:17] <Ferkels_grosses_> oke!! i will burn ubuntu again... with nero!! burn the image file!! should i accept the CD fixing??
[02:17] <elekis> thanks wait
[02:17] <yccheok> i was wondering why .bash_profile does not work in ubuntu
[02:18] <yccheok> it work in fedora :(
[02:18] <elekis> and modprobe sg to start it now???
[02:19] <Ferkels_grosses_> can anyone help me pls??
[02:19] <Ferkels_grosses_> for a boot cd!! should i fix the cd rom?
[02:19] <elekis> is it a iso??
[02:19] <Ferkels_grosses_> when i will burn a .iso file??
[02:19] <Ferkels_grosses_> yeah
[02:19] <elekis> no
[02:19] <Ferkels_grosses_> not fix??
[02:20] <dcraven> yccheok: .bash_profile does work in Ubuntu.
[02:20] <elekis> me,  I didn't fix
[02:20] <Ferkels_grosses_> k thx
[02:20] <elekis> but try
[02:20] <elekis> it's the best way
[02:20] <dcraven> elekis: yes, modprobe will load the module now.
[02:20] <Ferkels_grosses_> ok
[02:21] <elekis> so now, the prob is  I start xsane
[02:21] <oz__> hi all - does anyone know if the gnome right click menu edit problem has been fixed?
[02:21] <Ferkels_grosses_> i am a newbie with ubunto.. so does the programm download works like in KDE?? with apt-get install *****
[02:21] <elekis> and , I don't know why, but he scan on my tv aqcuisition cart
[02:21] <AvvY> yes
[02:21] <dcraven> oz__: There is no menu editing in GNOME 2.10. Not until 2.12. Is that the problem you are referring to?
[02:22] <elekis> erkels_grosses_ -> therorikly yes
[02:22] <yccheok> dcraven: i bet it doesnt.
[02:22] <Riddell> Ferkels_grosses_: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:22] <oz__> ahh.. yep. thanks dcraven
[02:22] <yccheok> dcraven: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1889.html
[02:22] <elekis> I reboot
[02:22] <dcraven> oz__: There are third party editors available in the forums, do a search for "menu editor" there.
[02:23] <Ferkels_grosses_> ok what should i know... whats important to know about ubuntu?? where can i get a list with commands??
[02:23] <oz__> dcraven: excellant. thanks
[02:23] <dcraven> yccheok: If it doesn't, then I'm gonna have to start typing all of these alias' and settings that are in my bash_profile, by hand...
[02:23] <yccheok> dcraven: i found out oledi. use ~/.gnomerc if we are login through GNOME DESKTOP MANAGER
[02:24] <RTN> ouch... got to do some work...
[02:24] <dcraven> yccheok: I don't have a .gnomerc
[02:24] <yccheok> dcraven: add "source ~/.bash_profile" in .gnomerc. i should rock
[02:24] <RTN> ubuntu helps of course...
[02:24] <yccheok> dcraven: just create one in ur home directory if it doesnt
[02:25] <dcraven> yccheok: But why? My .bash_profile is functioning fine.
[02:27] <elekis> ih again
[02:27] <solomarv> elekis, 'ello
[02:27] <elekis> I have a other probleme, I don't know why but when I boot (and reboot) my computer,  gimp is lauched two times
[02:28] <yccheok> dcraven: hem... not sure. but most of the feedback i surf through the net is that .bash_profile doesnt work. if i work for you, feel happy on it ;)
[02:28] <elekis> and xsane to
[02:28] <solomarv> elekis, login through console, and remove your ~/.gconf* and ~/.gnome*
[02:29] <zxc> anyone know how to unistall realplayer?
[02:29] <elekis> wao , are you sure??
[02:29] <dcraven> yccheok: all mine does is source my ~/.bashrc, enable bash completion, and call xbindkeys. It appears to do all three.
[02:29] <solomarv> zxc, was it installed by apt?
[02:29] <elekis> I il try
[02:30] <zxc> solomarv, no
[02:30] <solomarv> elekis, yeah, that's the rough way of doing it :-D
[02:30] <solomarv> zxc, was it installed in a separate dir, like /opt?
[02:30] <zxc> solomarv, yes
[02:31] <solomarv> zxc, remove the dir and possible /usr/share/applications/real*.desktop
[02:38] <eruin> wow
[02:38] <eruin> eclipse is really great
[02:39] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:39] <elekis> so thanks, thats work
[02:39] <elekis> so now, my scanner problem
[02:39] <elekis> how can I see if ubuntu see my scanner??
[02:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> graphics -> xsane -> should say your scanner on the screen
[02:42] <Lightboy> hey all i was just wondering if i get the j2re off the official sun website will it work with amd64 warty ?
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> have to look :| i dont konw
[02:43] <Lightboy> so was that to me kamping_kaiser?
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[02:43] <elekis> I have nothing, in fac when I lauch scan he scan on my aquisition tv card input
[02:43] <shane_> anyone run vmware?
[02:43] <elekis> it's a scsi scanner
[02:44] <elekis> And I mont sure it see it
[02:44] <Lightboy> hmm does n e one else know if the official linux J2re works on amd64
[02:46] <elcu> hello, could someone please post their monitor section of xorg.conf in#flood?
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> elcu. what do you need it for?
[02:47] <elekis> wait
[02:47] <elcu> Kamping_Kaiser, i can't raise my resolution and i forgot what the attribute names for horizontal and vertical refresh rates were.
[02:47] <elcu> :)
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> run dpkg-reconfigure
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> elekis. are you posting it or shal i?
[02:47] <migunal> is there a program to view images in which i can view all images from a folder ?
[02:48] <hypno> elcu: HorizSync and VertRefresh
[02:48] <elcu> migunal: gqview is pretty good.
[02:48] <elcu> hypno: thanks.
[02:48] <Lightboy> can n e one help install Java on Warty AMD 64??
[02:49] <shane_> anyone have any experiance with vmware or wine?
[02:49] <verden01> i just installed ubuntu on a 160Gb hd and decided to let ubuntu do the partitioning and i have ended up with a 3.1Gb swap partition  is this normal?
[02:49] <migunal> elcu, that works, thx :)
[02:50] <hypno> verden01: pretty big but okay
[02:50] <elekis> two sec
[02:50] <elekis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q4Hp6I29.html
[02:50] <AvvY> its too big
[02:50] <elcu> migunal: np.  it's my favourite image viewer
[02:50] <verden01> k
[02:50] <AvvY> its just wasted space. u dont need anything more than 512mb
[02:50] <elekis> I forgot the paste sit
[02:51] <verden01> can i resize my swap partiton without cuasing any problems
[02:51] <hypno> AvvY: you should have around 2x of the ram size
[02:51] <AvvY> hypno: not for linux. win needs that. linux needs very little
[02:51] <hypno> AvvY: you sound as if you know what you're talking about yet don't :)
[02:52] <CarlK> verden01 - yes
[02:52] <AvvY> hypno: i only go by what many people have told me, and they are faily knowlegable about linux, so id stand by what they have said
[02:52] <hypno> AvvY: depends on whether you like seeing out of memory errors when you want to edit huge images or play games
[02:53] <CarlK> 2x ram assumes you need as much ram as you have.   ram is so cheap now that most people have way more than they need
[02:53] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/eclipse.png :)
[02:53] <DBill1> shane - ouch! - have you used qtparted? - might be a good place to store an iso or two - you could even boot from them by changing grub.
[02:53] <AvvY> hypno: i have never noticed ANY problems with a 512mb swap in either FC3, Suse9.1 or Ubuntu
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> avvy. depends what you use the box for
[02:54] <eruin> hypno: I've got 512mb swap, and it's never been used -although I do alot of 64mb+ image editing and play games thru cedega
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> infact everyone: it depends what you use the box for
[02:54] <CarlK> otoh, 2x ram assumes a limited amount of disk space, and now most people have way more disk than they need too.  so these 2 things almost cancel each out out, except for one thing
[02:54] <verden01> CarlK, how would i reduce the size of my swap aprtition?
[02:54] <Pupe> HEY!
[02:54] <AvvY> yeah, and for general use, 512mb is sufficient.
[02:55] <Pupe> THIS SITE HAVE PORNOGRAF OF CHILDREN! http://www.soulservers.com.ar
[02:55] <AvvY> of course if u do hi-end stuff you will require more resources, that goes without saying.
[02:55] <CarlK> the result is: it is way less important to get the amount of swap "just right"
[02:55] <eruin> someone kick Pupe in the arse
[02:55] <AvvY> i agree
[02:55] <abood> hey Kamping_Kaiser i fixed it and now im on ubuntu :) i used "dpkg -configure -a "command
[02:55] <CarlK> verden01, swapoff, fdisk
[02:55] <Pupe> Help me
[02:55] <eruin> go away Pupe
[02:55] <DBill1> verden - use qtparted - ubuntu's stringent security measures make it difficult from the installed version though. - i have been using knoppix
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> abood :) cool. well done
[02:55] <Pupe> this site http://www.soulservers.com.ar public porno of my daughter
[02:55] <verden01> so i can put the free space into my root partition?
[02:56] <hypno> AvvY: shrug. Depends on what you do. I have 740mb ram, and with a few normal apps open i have 550 mb used (excluding caches). Since hard disk space is cheap I figure you might as well leave yourself plenty of breathing room.
[02:56] <AvvY> Pupe: wtf?
[02:56] <eruin> daniels: could you remove Pupe?
[02:56] <Pupe> help me
[02:56] <CarlK> verden01 - noone said you could make another partition larger - that is the hard part
[02:56] <verden01> :)
[02:56] <AvvY> hypno: fair enough. i never notice much of my swap used when having multiple apps open myself. altho i have 1024mb of ram anyhow
[02:56] <verden01> i'll leave it then
[02:56] <abood> Kamping_Kaiser,  i dont know man, im feeling that my machine collect many errors im afraid again to update :)
[02:56] <Pupe> http://www.soulservers.com.ar help me to kill thats bastard
[02:57] <AvvY> can someone PLEASE kick Pupe
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) abood.
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont worry, just dont to stupid stuff
[02:57] <DBill1> no - that would corrupt the partitiion table you can shrink or change the type but it can't grow any larger unless it is near a parttition you are willing to delete and rewrite.
[02:57] <Pupe> fuck... you guys :(
[02:57] <elcu> AvvY: ignore him
[02:57] <AvvY> elcu: yeah, i will. its just fuckin stupid tho.
[02:58] <CarlK> Pupe - this is not the place for that
[02:58] <elcu> AvvY: true.
[02:58] <Pupe> i call to the police and they say nothing
[02:59] <AvvY> omg... wtf is with trolls?
[02:59] <DBill1> W/M 23.   any horny females here? - Just kidding
[02:59] <DBill1> i was kifdinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn - lol
[02:59] <AvvY> ...
[02:59] <CarlK> pupe - try #politics - seems like those people may have some ideas for you
[02:59] <inc> the troll should just kill himself
[02:59] <DBill1> aw jeez maybe i should just take a ap.
[03:00] <Fator_Dee> evolution will handle it, lets just ignore him
[03:00] <CarlK> apt-get install apache2 php4  - where is the "max file upload size" php setting set?
[03:00] <inc> lol Fator_Dee
[03:00] <inc> in php.ini
[03:02] <CarlK> inc 0- thanks
[03:03] <UnreA|L> what gnome desktop size
[03:03] <UnreA|L> ?
[03:03] <Fator_Dee> you are not making sense
[03:04] <Seveas> UnreA|L, what do you mean>>
[03:04] <eruin> I'd guess resolution
[03:04] <UnreA|L> fluxbox size about 1mb
[03:04] <Ferkels_grosses_> hmmm gnome 300kb!!!
[03:04] <eruin> fluxbox isnt a de
[03:04] <Seveas> UnreA|L, do you mean memory consumption?
[03:04] <eruin> so you can't really compare the two
[03:04] <Seveas> or disk consumption?
[03:04] <Seveas> indeed
[03:04] <eruin> gnome is probably around 300MB
[03:05] <UnreA|L> i have kde and i dont like kde
[03:05] <UnreA|L> i want download gnome
[03:05] <Ferkels_grosses_> *g*
[03:05] <Seveas> UnreA|L, then dump kde and use gnome
[03:05] <eruin> UnreA|L: you running ubuntu?
[03:05] <UnreA|L> how download gnome ?
[03:05] <UnreA|L> i runing ubuntu
[03:05] <UnreA|L> i runing kubuntu
[03:05] <Seveas> UnreA|L, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <eruin> then run "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop"
[03:05] <eruin> err, ubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <eruin> sorry
[03:05] <UnreA|L> and i want have gnome desktop
[03:05] <eruin> :P
[03:05] <eruin> do that UnreA|L
[03:06] <shane_> ubuntu rocks ^_^
[03:06] <UnreA|L> okey...;)
[03:06] <eruin> (/me cheers happily in the background - another convert!)
[03:06] <Ferkels_grosses_> :D
[03:06] <elcu> how does ubuntu-desktop work again?
[03:07] <Seveas> elcu, it is a meta packages, it depends on the packages that make up a nice ubuntu system
[03:07] <jsgotangco> its a meta package that's supposed to point the stuff you need
[03:07] <shane_> awsomely i kicked windows out the door
[03:07] <Seveas> shane_, nice :)
[03:07] <shane_> now i need to get one game to run in vmware
[03:07] <jsgotangco> just like if you get kubuntu-desktop you get all the stuff you need for kubuntu in your ubuntu esktop
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane. vmware will be slow
[03:07] <shane_> and it won't :(
[03:08] <shane_> i know
[03:08] <Ferkels_grosses_> sorry.. is there a german ubuntu irc channel???
[03:08] <Seveas> #ubuntu-de
[03:08] <shane_> but the game i wont to run is lightside legend ragnarok www.clownphobia.com
[03:08] <shane_> and it won't detect the vid card in vmware
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> its the vmware vid card
[03:08] <shane_> i don't wanna switch back to microcrap wannabe secure
[03:09] <ikaro> mojn
[03:09] <shane_> how do i fix it?
[03:09] <Ferkels_grosses_> omg about 30peoples in #ubuntu-de
[03:09] <Ferkels_grosses_> hehe
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane. try running through wine or cedega
[03:10] <elcu> shane_: or dualboot just for games.  that's the only reason i use windows now.
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> or check vmwares config for a way to bipass the default card for your real card
[03:10] <shane_> i have wine just don't know how to install the game into it
[03:10] <shane_> i laso have cdega and crossover but i'm so new to linux i don't know i
[03:10] <shane_> if i installed them right or how to put the games in them
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> to install with wine run wine on its own from a terminal, hten run "wine /paht/to game"
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have done same as shane_, now i need to work all this out too :)
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and as soon as i get rid of hte dreded ntfs off my hdd, im free
[03:12] <shane_> ok i wanna dual boot with windows havin just enough room for running
[03:12] <shane_> if i can't get the other programs to work
[03:12] <shane_> i'd rather try wine but don't know how to put llro in it
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> cedega works much like wine
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> run wine, set your config
[03:13] <shane_> how do i get it in ubuntu? i though i had it but i don't is it a free trial or somthin?
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> then run wine with "/paht/to/app
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> wine is free, cedega is not
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> cedega iirc is monthly subscription
[03:13] <shane_> ouch
[03:13] <elcu> bummer.  what's wine's performance like?
[03:14] <eruin> cedega is just for games anyway
[03:14] <shane_> don't know haven't been able to get it to run
[03:14] <shane_> lol
[03:14] <shane_> is cedega software?
[03:14] <eruin> yes
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:14] <eruin> from transgaming.com
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> elcu. better then vmware ;)
[03:14] <shane_> how much is it?
[03:14] <eruin> very little
[03:14] <eruin> I have a subscription myself
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much?
[03:15] <shane_> i type in that thing you said and it comes back with no such file or directory :(
[03:16] <eruin> I think its around 3 a month or something
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> what did you type in?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> put it up
[03:17] <tbasten> um, when i try and install ubuntu off the install my keyboard doesnt work when i get into first setup option\
[03:17] <shane_> root@ubuntu:/home/shane # /paht/to/app
[03:17] <shane_> bash: /paht/to/app: No such file or directory
[03:17] <shane_> root@ubuntu:/home/shane #
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane_ mate...
[03:17] <Fator_Dee> shane_: not like that
[03:18] <shane_> someone said type that in to do something to wine
[03:18] <Fator_Dee> that /path/to/app means literally the path to app
[03:18] <shane_> i'm a newb forgive me lol
[03:18] <elcu> lol
[03:18] <Fator_Dee> not /path/to/app
[03:18] <shane_> ahhh
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats one for hte signiture
[03:18] <Fator_Dee> it's just that we say it like that
[03:18] <tbasten> anyone?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> tbasten. what keyboard?
[03:19] <shane_> i typed it in it said the same thing
[03:19] <shane_> did i install wine wrong?
[03:19] <Fator_Dee> and if you want to use wine or cedega to run that app, you write "wine /path/to/app" or "cedega /path/to/app"
[03:19] <shane_> oh
[03:20] <Fator_Dee> you can't just write the path, it doesn't know what to do with it :-)
[03:20] <shane_> so if the install is on my desktype i would type
[03:20] <BenedictoXVI> Hi, im a net admin from Cuba, i had installed Ubuntu Linux, and i want to install Mambo (the CMS from www.mamboserver.com) it works with Mysql. I did install it too with apt. Once i did i try to change the My root password toi create the Mambo database and it get me an error message
[03:20] <shane_> wine /desktop/lightside legend setup.exe?
[03:20] <mccoy_> hi everyone, has anyone the problem where sometimes ubuntu gets stuck when "Starting hotplug subsystem"
[03:20] <BenedictoXVI> if someone here could help me make me a query please
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> wine /home/shane/Desktop/lightside\ legend\ setup.exe
[03:21] <tritium> BenedictoXVI, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:21] <shane_> ahh
[03:21] <Fator_Dee> shane_: yes, but replace the spaces (" ") with "\ "
[03:21] <Fator_Dee> just like Kamping_Kaiser told
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> and shane_ and the capital D is impoartant
[03:22] <Fator_Dee> you can use the tab-button to autocomplete the directory
[03:22] <elcu> anyone using an ati card and used the binary howto?
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> mccoy_ you from atomic?
[03:22] <mccoy_> no im from canada
[03:22] <mccoy_> :)
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:22] <RichG> is there any way to change which real font the "sans" font points to?
[03:23] <mccoy_> i just have this random lockup when i boot 5.04 up on my thinkpad
[03:23] <shane_> and one other thing why is my sound always clicking ? when i type and move the mouse or if the screen has to refresh
[03:24] <elcu> i'm up to this step: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and don't know what to select for "use kernel framebuffer device interface y/n"
[03:24] <BenedictoXVI> Hi, im a net admin from Cuba, i had installed Ubuntu Linux, and i want to install Mambo (the CMS from www.mamboserver.com) it works with Mysql. I did install it too with apt. Once i did i try to change the My root password toi create the Mambo database and it get me an error message
[03:24] <BenedictoXVI> if someone here could help me make me a query please
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane_ is that the system speaker?
[03:24] <tritium> BenedictoXVI, I sent you a URL to read
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> elcu yes is usualy ok
[03:25] <BenedictoXVI> the message saids
[03:25] <BenedictoXVI> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'intranet' failed
[03:25] <BenedictoXVI> error: 'Lost connection to MySQL server during query'
[03:25] <zxc> what's the command to install a .deb? the wiki page on it is 404'd
[03:25] <Fator_Dee> dpkg -i *.deb
[03:25] <elcu> Kamping_Kaiser: heh.  can i just close the terminal and cancel this program?  i'd rather edit xorg.conf now.
[03:25] <zxc> thanks, does it have to be anywhere in particular?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> denedictoxvi i dont know sorry
[03:25] <guruff> konichiwa ! :)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> elcu yes you can
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:26] <Fator_Dee> zxc: you can write it like dpkg -i /path/to/debfile
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL. this could be funny again
[03:26] <srid> what is the best music player in linux, wrt to sound quality?
[03:26] <Fator_Dee> zxc: so you can do it from any directory
[03:26] <zxc> ah nice thanks
[03:26] <srid> and as goog as winamp
[03:26] <srid> *good
[03:27] <tritium> srid, sound quality has to do with the sound hardware, and the file format, not really the player
[03:27] <srid> i get good quality in windows
[03:27] <Fator_Dee> srid: xmms and beep-media-player are excellent choices if you have used winamp
[03:27] <srid> but not in xmms
[03:27] <shane_> no it's the onboard soundcard
[03:27] <srid> i have been using linux for 2 years
[03:28] <srid> just recently installed windows, and noticed that winamp played music with good sound quality
[03:28] <srid> me using ubuntu breezy, with alsa
[03:28] <Fator_Dee> I'd say you are imagining things, but I don't know so much about it so...
[03:29] <thenuke> srid: maybe you had EQ on in winamp
[03:29] <srid> fidelity is good
[03:29] <thenuke> and did not have it on some other player
[03:29] <Fator_Dee> that could be
[03:29] <shane_> anyone have any idea why my soundcard is making sounds when nothins using it?
[03:29] <MuStR> the sound drivers you use are a huge factor...
[03:29] <MuStR> *driver
[03:29] <srid> xmms too has EQ
[03:29] <shane_> hmm it a ibm netvista 2254
[03:29] <srid> MuStR: so alsa is the problem?
[03:30] <MuStR> what problem are you having?
[03:30] <MuStR> sorry, I just got up
[03:30] <MuStR> :p
[03:30] <shane_> and how to install teamspeak i need to know haven't been able to sence i switched from microcrap
[03:30] <shane_> well wine is installing the program hope it works(crosses fingers)
[03:31] <BenedictoXVI> Hi, im a net admin from Cuba, i had installed Ubuntu Linux, and i want to install Mambo (the CMS from www.mamboserver.com) it works with Mysql. I did install it too with apt. Once i did i try to change the My root password toi create the Mambo database and it get me an error message
[03:31] <BenedictoXVI> the message saids
[03:31] <BenedictoXVI> error: 'Lost connection to MySQL server during query'
[03:31] <BenedictoXVI> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'intranet' failed
[03:31] <shane_> i like the fact that i haven't rebooted my linuxbox(i think thats what you call a pc running linux right?)
[03:31] <shane_> in a week
[03:31] <BenedictoXVI> if someone here could help me make me a query please
[03:32] <tom_neo> trying to run windows help and support center: support center cannot be started because [bla] . Please run windows support center to solve this problem.
[03:32] <tom_neo> ...
[03:32] <tritium> BenedictoXVI, please don't repeat.  I already gave you a URL to read regarding root passwords.
[03:32] <shane_> gotta love windows :P
[03:32] <MuStR> afk.
[03:33] <soulfury> i've got a strange problem, i installed libdb3 berkeley runtimes and also 4 runtimes, and now i need to remove the v3 libs, but when i mark it for removal in synaptic it says it needs to remove like everything on the box...all the stuff installed by the ubuntu installer.  does that make anysense?
[03:33] <Fator_Dee> soulfury: nope
[03:33] <soulfury> yeah thats what everyone has said so far
[03:33] <jvh4n> not to me
[03:33] <soulfury> i really dont wanna rebuild this box
[03:33] <superted> the last time i installed warty or hoary (dont remember) my scanner/printer Just Worked, but now it doesn't get detected (PSC 1310) any ideas?
[03:34] <tritium> soulfury, yes, look at the output of "apt-cache rdepends libdb3"
[03:34] <Fator_Dee> but now I have to go to my friends summer cabin to get wasted
[03:34] <shane_> nice
[03:34] <Fator_Dee> hope I survive :-p
[03:35] <soulfury> yeah tritus it lists almost everything on the box
[03:35] <shane_> so anyone know how to stop the clicks in my sound card?
[03:35] <shane_> and how to tell what drivers to use for it so it won't pop and click
[03:36] <tritium> soulfury, you can uninstall the -dev package, but not the lib package itself
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane_ is this your system speaker?
[03:36] <soulfury> shane google for your soundcard chipset and "linux drivers"
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane try esd or oss instead of alsa
[03:37] <soulfury> tritus yeah i uninstalled the dev package, but my openldap daemon says theres a berkely db mismatch the libs are 3 but the runtimes are 4...i've got the 4.3 dev package installed so it should be strait shouldnt it?
[03:37] <b0urn3> morning all, what's the easiest way for me to get azureus?
[03:37] <Seveas> soulfury, the -dev is just for compiling, it does not contain the actual library
[03:38] <soulfury> i see
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> b0urn3. install it
[03:38] <b0urn3> thank you , kaiser
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> download from hte official page
[03:38] <soulfury> so....install the 4.3dev and then recompile my openldap?
[03:38] <UnreA|L> how to stop apt-get download
[03:39] <UnreA|L> and later resume
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ctrl + c
[03:39] <b0urn3> there's no way to get it through apt?
[03:39] <dcraven> b0urn3: there are instructions on the ubuntuguide.org as well I think.
[03:39] <Seveas> UnreA|L, just kill it with Ctrl + C, it will resume where it left off
[03:39] <jvh4n> yep, there are instructions
[03:39] <UnreA|L> thnx
[03:40] <dcraven> b0urn3: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#azureus
[03:40] <b0urn3> thanks craven
[03:40] <b0urn3> do i need to get java separately?
[03:40] <dcraven> b0urn3: anytime.. Bookmark that website :)
[03:41] <dcraven> b0urn3: Yes you do, follow the instructions.
[03:41] <b0urn3> thanks again
[03:42] <tritium> b0urn3, Method 3: is the optimal way to get java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:43] <dcraven> UnreA|L: Or you could use the -d (download only) flag...
[03:43] <dcraven> UnreA|L: "man apt-get" for more info if you are interested.
[03:43] <UnreA|L> im kill process with ctl=c
[03:44] <UnreA|L> and i dont can resume download
[03:44] <UnreA|L> :(((
[03:44] <drcode> hi all
[03:44] <UnreA|L> hi
[03:44] <UnreA|L> ;)
[03:45] <drcode> I didnt got lack wit nvdia 2 install
[03:45] <UnreA|L> whe are you mean ?
[03:45] <elcu> drcode: which instructions did u follow?
[03:45] <drcode> I try to so by the insertrascion
[03:45] <drcode> And the GDM didnt load
[03:45] <Coutsos> hi. i just upgraded to hoary last night, and i can't get sound to work at all, i followed the instructions on the unofficial ubuntu guide but i think i made things worse. any help?
[03:46] <elcu> UnreA|L: i don't think you can resume with apt-get.
[03:46] <drcode> if I do nvidia-glx enable
[03:46] <drcode> after I Did disable it load
[03:46] <drcode> Do I need to install the driver from nvidia
[03:46] <drcode> or it come with linux cd
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> drcode. the nvidia ones better
[03:47] <tritium> I disagree on that
[03:47] <drcode> I am afried to install it
[03:47] <drcode> so my linux will not load
[03:48] <drcode> it cant get into gui after i do nvidia-glx enable
[03:48] <prego> Hi! I'm using eagle-usb dsl modem and my connection is often closed when using p2p programs. I've read that you might improve this behaviour by tweaking on ppp option lcp-echo-interval, Is this right?
[03:48] <tritium> drcode, can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf somewhere so we can see it?
[03:49] <Q_Continuum> I know what i need to change it to, but where is the file that specifies what the console framebuffer size/resolution is?  (tested in the grub console)
[03:49] <drcode> u can get into privet chat?
[03:50] <tritium> drcode, use http://www.pastebin.com/
[03:51] <raydogg> what is the command to reconfigure X ?
[03:51] <raydogg> dpkg-something
[03:51] <Q_Continuum> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:51] <Q_Continuum> I've had to do it a few times myself, heh.
[03:52] <drcode> its big my log
[03:52] <Q_Continuum> Where is the grub config file?
[03:52] <drcode> hmmm
[03:52] <drcode> a min
[03:53] <tritium> Q_Continuum, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> grr
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> beaten by tritium
[03:53] <dutch> competition is good :)
[03:53] <b0urn3> i'm having problems installing java....it says that jrel.5.0_02/ doesn't exist
[03:54] <tritium> b0urn3, Method 3 from the wiki?
[03:54] <ivoks> hi
[03:54] <b0urn3> tritium, i'm using the guide off of ubuntuguide.org
[03:54] <shane_> ok i installed my program into wine how do i run it now?
[03:54] <prego> competitors!!! what about my question!!! ;-P
[03:55] <prego> shane_, wine program
[03:55] <drcode> u can get it?
[03:55] <Coutsos> can anybody help me fix the sound in ubuntu hoary?
[03:55] <tritium> b0urn3, as before, I recommend Method 3 on the wiki
[03:55] <tritium> drcode, use http://www.pastebin.com/
[03:55] <Sm4sh> Why my joypad dont work in gxmame?Its analogic...
[03:55] <b0urn3> u have a link tritium?
[03:55] <tritium> b0urn3, I sent earlier...will send again
[03:55] <drcode> I Can attach file there?
[03:55] <tritium> b0urn3, Method 3: is the optimal way to get java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:56] <b0urn3> thanks tritium
[03:56] <tritium> sure
[03:56] <shane_> root@ubuntu:/home/shane # wine llro.exe
[03:56] <shane_> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin llro.exe ...
[03:56] <shane_> wine: cannot find 'llro.exe'
[03:56] <shane_> Wine failed with return code 1
[03:56] <shane_> root@ubuntu:/home/shane #
[03:56] <shane_> thats what it tells me
[03:56] <airox> When I hibernate it uses swsusp. My bios is able to do the hibernation. Is there a way to let the bios handle this ?
[03:56] <Q_Continuum> grr....anyone ever set their console resolution when using grub?  everything I'm finding is for lilo
[03:56] <tritium> Q_Continuum, yes
[03:56] <shane_> root@ubuntu:/home/shane # wine /home/shane/Desktop/lightside_legend-1.0.3.0.exe /legend
[03:56] <shane_> Invoking /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin /home/shane/Desktop/lightside_legend-1.0.3.0.exe /legend ...
[03:56] <shane_> (i installed it here
[03:56] <b0urn3> tritium, how do i undo what i've done so far?
[03:57] <ren0> Hello. Does anybody here have experience using wine?
[03:57] <tritium> Q_Continuum, as an example: # kopt=root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=792
[03:57] <ren0> The software not the drink :)
[03:57] <tritium> b0urn3, you'd have to tell me what you've done so far.
[03:57] <b0urn3> i unpacked the binary and created the /usr/java/ directory
[03:57] <Kawa> @ren0
[03:58] <Kawa> use cvs wine and wineinstaller || wt2
[03:58] <RTN> i'm sorry... work ... and now I gotta run...
[03:58] <Kawa> as on ubuntuforums..... just wait a sec ;) i ll search for you
[03:58] <Q_Continuum> tritium: kernel		/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro console=tty0 quiet splash -- I would just add vga=0x123 (or whatever) to the end?
[03:58] <shane_> so anyone know how to run it?
[03:58] <tritium> b0urn3, you can remove the dir you made, and everything that was unpacked
[03:59] <ren0> I am trying to use a a Practice Test on the back of the Security + Test guide. It installed correctly but....
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane_ why the following /legend?
[03:59] <tritium> Q_Continuum, yes
[03:59] <Kawa> ren0 :    did it like here ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29996&page=1&pp=10
[03:59] <Q_Continuum> k.  thanks.
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and dont run as root
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> shane
[04:00] <b0urn3> tritium, i'm pretty new so just to make sure its.... sudo rm /usr/java/ .... how do i find where the binary went?
[04:00] <tritium> drcode, I prefer that you use http://www.pastebin.com/, rather than giving you my email
[04:00] <drcode> k
[04:00] <tritium> b0urn3, did you unpack a .tar.gz, or did you some some sort of installer?
[04:00] <ren0> When I try to run it from Winefile I get the following error: "Please use the shortcuts on the Start Menu to run the Practice tests" Thanks for the reply Kawa. I am looking.
[04:01] <b0urn3> tritium, i did sh jre-1_5_0_-2-linux-i586.bin
[04:02] <ivoks> i love gnome inteligent focus :)
[04:02] <ren0> Is there some sort of "simulated" windows start menu in wine?
[04:03] <drcode> its 35k
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ren0 if you get xwine
[04:03] <tritium> b0urn3, oh...then it did install stuff.  Sorry, I've not use sun's installer
[04:03] <jmjones> has anyone had problems with sound in kubunutu?  I can play an audio cd, but can't play .ogg files and I tested kaffeine on a movie trailer and no audio.
[04:03] <drcode> I Use xfcd
[04:03] <ren0> Thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[04:03] <drcode> NIce
[04:03] <b0urn3> i dont understand why it won't let me move the directory and all its contents....i can see that it installed everything in theat dir
[04:04] <tritium> drcode, have you pasted yet?
[04:04] <AirWays> How I can install FTP to Apache?
[04:05] <ivoks> ftp to apache?
[04:05] <DBill1> AirWays - not too sure but i think apache includes ftp in the base install. - someone correct me if i'm wrong.
[04:05] <ivoks> !?
[04:05] <ivoks> apache is HTTPD app
[04:05] <AirWays> How I can set it ujp?
[04:05] <ivoks> not FTPD
[04:05] <ivoks> FTP?
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres an ftp module.
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> grap it through synaptic or apt
[04:05] <davix> what is the best program to burn with ubuntu?
[04:05] <Q_Continuum> tritium, that didn't work, it said "you entered an unsupported mode" gave me a list of vesa VGA options.  I think I"ll install lilo, if it's possible (and easy)
[04:05] <ivoks> Kamping_Kaiser yes, but, it's better to use vsftpd
[04:05] <AirWays> I dont have X
[04:06] <AirWays> It is server
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> he asked ;)
[04:06] <AirWays> Only text :p
[04:06] <ivoks> AirWays apt-get install vsftpd
[04:06] <AirWays> .Okay
[04:06] <tritium> Q_Continuum, try using decimal, rather than hex
[04:06] <DBill1> hm. - always things to learn - grin
[04:06] <ivoks> AirWays vim /etc/vsftpd.conf then to configure vsftp. after that /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[04:07] <ivoks> there is no ftpd like vsftpd :)
[04:07] <davix> what is the best program to burn with ubuntu?
[04:07] <ivoks> but, FTP as a protocol is shity
[04:07] <AirWays> Okay
[04:07] <ivoks> davix k3b
[04:07] <DBill1> why vsftp?
[04:07] <davix> tnx
[04:07] <airox> davix: gnomebaker, k3b, cdrecord
[04:07] <amichai> i just installed the kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 yet when i do uname -r i get 2.6.10-5-386
[04:07] <amichai>  which was my previous kernel. any ideas?
[04:07] <Q_Continuum> trying it trit, thanks.
[04:07] <ivoks> vsftp is fastest ftp daemon, very secure and configurable
[04:07] <ren0> Mai Ouis, xwine, Une interface graphique pour Wine. There is no deb so what is better to compile from source or use alien on an rpm?
[04:07] <wastrel> i should get my dvd player working.
[04:07] <DBill1> Great have to check it out.
[04:08] <tritium> davix, there's also graveman
[04:08] <davix> whats the diffrance?
[04:08] <davix> k3b is not only for kde?
[04:08] <ivoks> davix nope
[04:08] <ivoks> davix there is no only-for-that app on Linux
[04:08] <iocaste> I'm using Blackbox instead of Gnome, and on my low memory machine, the speed improvement is immense. However, I've lost the use of the the Alt key as Emacs meta when using emacs in an xterm. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this?
[04:08] <davix> erm, ok.
[04:08] <ivoks> davix every KDE app works on Gnome, fluxbox, wmaker, enlightenment etc...
[04:08] <raydogg> how come when i compile a kernel, i lose usb support ?
[04:08] <ivoks> and vice verse
[04:09] <tritium> if you're willing to install the needed libs...
[04:09] <airox> raydogg: Cause you didn't selected it ?
[04:09] <ivoks> raydogg that happens when u compile it bad :)
[04:09] <davix> so why do they assign it to a specific window manager?
[04:09] <raydogg> :-)
[04:09] <tritium> I personally don't like kde or qt libs on my system, so I don't use k3b
[04:09] <raydogg> so what do i need to select?
[04:09] <raydogg> Keyboard and mouse are usb, and they don't work :-(
[04:09] <ivoks> davix couse k3b starts faster on KDE than Gnome
[04:09] <airox> raydogg: USB support ? :-)
[04:09] <shane_> and how do i regester for this irc to keep my name and stuuf they said how to do it @ 1 point but i lost it
[04:09] <davix> i c
[04:09] <tritium> davix, because of the libraries it uses
[04:09] <raydogg> isn't it selected by default?
[04:09] <ivoks> davix it is compiled with kde and qt libs
[04:09] <Kawa> ren0: there is a debian xwine.-....-.deb
[04:10] <Kawa> wait
[04:10] <airox> shane_: /msg nickserv help
[04:10] <ivoks> raydogg why don't u start with a HOWTO or tutorial?
[04:10] <Kawa> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/xwine
[04:10] <ivoks> raydogg as much as kernel compilation is easy today, u need to know the basics
[04:10] <amichai> somebody?
[04:10] <raydogg> There's a guide for ubuntu?
[04:10] <ivoks> raydogg be happy u didn't compile 2.0 version of it :)
[04:11] <raydogg> well, on make menuconfig, it says the usb stuff is compiled as modules...
[04:11] <Q_Continuum> trit, that didn't work either.  fsck that, just do an apt-get install lilo?
[04:11] <raydogg> ran make modules_install
[04:11] <ivoks> raydogg kernel compilation is the same on every distro
[04:11] <airox> raydogg: Loaded the module ?
[04:11] <raydogg> yeah, lsmod |grep usb
[04:11] <raydogg> shows loaded modules
[04:11] <cens0red> good evening.
[04:11] <tritium> there is a debian way to compile kernels using kernel-package
[04:11] <ivoks> raydogg modprobe hid
[04:12] <tritium> ubuntu kernels can also be built using kernel-package
[04:12] <ivoks> tritium yeah, there is... did u try it on ubuntu?
[04:12] <ivoks> tritium did u try it? :)
[04:12] <DBill1> how do you rebuild the kernal to add nvidia support?
[04:12] <tritium> ivoks, I used to, but no more
[04:12] <tritium> I don't need custom kernels
[04:12] <raydogg> ivoks, says hid not found
[04:12] <ivoks> tritium well, it isn't so good on ubuntu
[04:13] <amichai> how i choose which kernel to use? i have two
[04:13] <tritium> ivoks, yes, it works fine
[04:13] <ivoks> raydogg bummer :)
[04:13] <raydogg> usbhid is loaded tho
[04:13] <raydogg> is that what u meant?
[04:13] <ivoks> yes
[04:13] <raydogg> k
[04:13] <ivoks> then usb mouse and keyboard should work
[04:13] <ivoks> DBill1 apt-get nvidia-kernel
[04:13] <DBill1> iswill there be an entry made in grub should it not work out?
[04:13] <ivoks> DBill1 install nvidia-kernel, sorry :)
[04:13] <tritium> ivoks, not sure what you mean, it works with ubuntu
[04:14] <ivoks> tritium yes, it creates kernel-image deb
[04:14] <ren0> Kawa, You sure. I did apt-cache search xwine and got nothing
[04:14] <ivoks> tritium insted of linux-image
[04:14] <DBill1> ivoks - Thanks
[04:14] <ren0> ?
[04:14] <ivoks> tritium so if u have deb depending on linux-image, they will install linux-image package from ubuntu
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ren0 it might be in uiverse or multiverse
[04:14] <ivoks> tritium but u can fix that with switches to make-kpkg
[04:14] <Kawa> ren0: that what i get steffen@steffen-ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search xwine
[04:14] <Kawa> xwine - graphical user interface for the WINE emulator
[04:14] <Kawa> steffen@steffen-ubuntu:~$
[04:14] <raydogg> ivoks, would that module make an external hd work too?
[04:14] <tritium> ivoks, yep
[04:15] <ivoks> tritium and if u have sl-modem-sources, it won't work at all :)
[04:15] <ivoks> raydogg no, usb-storage would
[04:15] <DBill1> lol - nvidia-kernal - geez that is just too easy. - i won't need hours of reading howto pages and aspirin?
[04:15] <Q_Continuum> How does one install and configure lilo from Ubuntu?
[04:15] <ren0> I have them enabled...universe multiverse...better double check though!
[04:15] <Q_Continuum> just sudo apt-get install lilo?
[04:15] <tritium> Q_Continuum, what happened with grub?
[04:15] <ivoks> DBill1 well... u will need to read howto
[04:15] <Q_Continuum> same issues
[04:16] <ivoks> DBill1 u can download nvidia driver from nvidia.com
[04:16] <Q_Continuum> max resolution is 80x60 columns that it will allow.
[04:16] <tritium> Q_Continuum, you did grub-update after editing the file?
[04:16] <Q_Continuum> no lol
[04:16] <ivoks> DBill1 and just run the ucking script
[04:16] <tritium> I mean update-grub
[04:16] <Q_Continuum> did now
[04:16] <airox> reboot!
[04:17] <Q_Continuum> it removed my line :-(
[04:17] <ivoks> tritium u don't do own kernels?
[04:17] <ren0> On checking I see I have only universe. That must be it
[04:17] <ivoks> tritium i hate having so much modules... slows down booting proces :)
[04:17] <tritium> ivoks, no, in fact, few developers do
[04:17] <DBill1> lol - i remember ten screens filled with arcane acronyms and terms last time i tried to build a kernal. that doesn't sound too bad. (RH 7.0)
[04:17] <Q_Continuum> update-grub removed my addition.
[04:17] <tritium> ivoks, no, because they're not all loaded
[04:18] <Q_Continuum> I think I'll just use lilo, unless there's some compelling reason not to.
[04:18] <ivoks> tritium yes, they do :)
[04:18] <ivoks> tritium depmod -a
[04:18] <ivoks> tritium runs on every boot
[04:18] <shane_> ^_^ ubuntu rocks^_^
[04:18] <airox> :)
[04:18] <tritium> ivoks, that doesn't load every module built
[04:18] <huring> Evening
[04:18] <ivoks> tritium true, but...
[04:18] <Kawa> ren0: xwine is unstable debian and has unmet dependencies with some libc6 and ubuntu .... should take a while for you to figure this out ;)
[04:18] <airox> Evening huring.
[04:18] <ivoks> tritium it can take one or two seconds
[04:18] <stefano> how can i add a repository to apt
[04:19] <sproingie> anyone used apache2 with suexec?  wondering how to make it work
[04:19] <ivoks> tritium with less modules it lasts less than few ms :)
[04:19] <huring> Is there a program that i can use to connect to a POP mailbox and save any attachment to a folder?
[04:19] <sproingie> apache documentation is just ghastly inadequate
[04:19] <Kawa> stefano: try synaptic
[04:19] <ivoks> huring fetchmail
[04:19] <Kawa> stefano: easier way
[04:19] <DBill1> shane did streamtunning now? - set your record to directory for the new mp3's
[04:19] <slept> is there a special image for ubuntu-server or is just the normal one because I don't need X for a Server and don't want to have to remove all that things
[04:19] <DBill1> shane - did it work
[04:19] <ivoks> slept start instalation with 'server'
[04:20] <huring> ivoks will that save a decoded, say jpg, in a folder so i can ftp it to a webserver?
[04:20] <slept> thanks
[04:20] <tritium> Q_Continuum, did you edit the "# kopt" line?
[04:20] <stefano> what a good repository where i can find wxpython ?
[04:20] <ivoks> huring it would be jpeg
[04:20] <ivoks> huring it isn't coded
[04:20] <ivoks> huring jpeg is jpeg...
[04:20] <sproingie> i take it SuexecUserGroup is the only way to control suexec?   I thought it ran CGI's as their owner
[04:20] <Q_Continuum> no tritium, what would that do?
[04:20] <tritium> jpeg uses encoding, though, so technically he's right
[04:20] <ivoks> tritium :))
[04:21] <tritium> both discrete cosine transforms and Huffman coding
[04:21] <ivoks> huring but u will have to do lot of scripting to do that
[04:21] <ivoks> huring fetchmail will fetch whole mail
[04:21] <tritium> Q_Continuum, that would be the line that specifies your kernel options.  I gave you an example earlier.
[04:21] <huring> I was guessing that... thing is i
[04:22] <ivoks> huring u will have to grep it, cut it, sed it to get just a attachment
[04:22] <tritium> Q_Continuum, you have to look for the "## ## Start Default Options ##" section, and edit the "# kopt" line
[04:22] <Q_Continuum> I found that, do I need to uncomment it?
[04:22] <ivoks> tritium u are devel of ubuntu?
[04:22] <tritium> Then, run sudo update-grub
[04:22] <tritium> ivoks, no, just MOTU
[04:22] <huring> im doing an online MMS album, so i wanna email the mms to a mailbox, extract the attachment, save it  to a folder and sync with online webserver.. without any manual input...
[04:23] <ivoks> tritium english, please :)
[04:23] <Q_Continuum> uncomment it and add my vga=735 to the end?  (which bails and doesn't work)
[04:23] <tritium> ivoks, http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTU
[04:23] <huring> can do it easily enough with thunderbird, but it seems i cannot use the extensions in the filters, very annoying
[04:23] <ivoks> ah...
[04:23] <tritium> Q_Continuum, don't uncomment it!
[04:24] <ivoks> tritium nice
[04:24] <tritium> Q_Continuum, just add "vga=735" to the end, save it, and run update-grub
[04:24] <Q_Continuum> k
[04:24] <DBill1> "MOTU" = "maintainer of the updates"? - is it a bad idea to guess acronyms
[04:24] <ivoks> tritium so, if i create deb package for ubuntu, u are the one to send it? :)
[04:24] <Q_Continuum> *goes for a reboot hoping it works*
[04:24] <tritium> ivoks, anyone on the list, or become one yourself ;)
[04:24] <Quazion> if i add and remove a program from applications->systemtools the menu doesnt get updated, any idea how to update without login in and out ?
[04:25] <ivoks> tritium maybe i join ;)
[04:25] <tritium> ivoks, super :)
[04:26] <ivoks> let's see... what do i miss in ubuntu? :))
[04:26] <ivoks> man, this is first distro where i din't compile anything :)
[04:27] <ivoks> ok, ipw2200 are missing... but...
[04:27] <wastrel> Quazion:  it would be nice if you could just refresh gnome like you can any other window manager.  i think there's no way other than to relog
[04:27] <eruin> ivoks: thats because you dont know whats going on in rhythmbox development ;)
[04:27] <ren0> I have definitely got multiverse enable but still get no xwine when I apt-cache search
[04:27] <drcode> where is the garbge in xfcd4?
[04:27] <ivoks> eruin surprise me :)
[04:27] <ren0> Kawa, Do I need to put the debian unstable source in?
[04:27] <eruin> ivoks: burn playlists, queuing, album art, tag editing among other things ;)
[04:28] <tritium> drcode, did you decide not to work on your xorg problem?
[04:28] <ivoks> eruin khm...
[04:28] <ivoks> I KNOW WHAT!
[04:28] <ivoks> quodlibet
[04:28] <ivoks> missing app
[04:28] <eruin> gnome-art is a missing app ;-)
[04:28] <ivoks> rhytmbox sucks if u try quodlibet
[04:28] <ivoks> it has regexp tag edit
[04:28] <ivoks> and regexp playlist
[04:28] <yahalom> ivoks, what is quodlibet?
[04:29] <ivoks> ubuntu must have app
[04:29] <ivoks> and there is debian deb
[04:29] <ivoks> wait a sec..
[04:29] <ivoks> http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet
[04:29] <eruin> ivoks: rhythmbox also has very flexible automatic playlists
[04:30] <yahalom> ivoks, thanx
[04:30] <ivoks> eruin not compared to quodlibet
[04:30] <ivoks> http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/Screenshots
[04:30] <ivoks> very missing app :(
[04:30] <ivoks> and it's easy to compile
[04:31] <dinamos> hi ubuntu users !
[04:31] <ivoks> it can rename filename by id3 tag
[04:31] <eruin> quodlibet is a kubuntu thing though
[04:31] <ivoks> or id3tag by filename
[04:31] <Dreamer3> is the openoffice2 packages in hoary usable?
[04:31] <Dreamer3> *Are
[04:31] <ivoks> that's gtk2 app
[04:31] <Seveas> Dreamer3, it is beta...
[04:31] <tritium> Dreamer3, yes
[04:31] <ivoks> how can it be in kubuntu? :)
[04:31] <eruin> oh, I just saw kde talk on the site
[04:31] <ren0> Does multiverse have everyting that is in debian stable?
[04:31] <Quazion> thanks wastrel, will logout then ;-)
[04:31] <Sm4sh> ivoks, install easy tags
[04:31] <wezzer> anyone got ATI drivers installed?
[04:32] <ivoks> Sm4sh does it play music?
[04:32] <wezzer> I tried for 1,5 hours yesterday
[04:32] <wezzer> following exactly the instructions on the ubuntuforum
[04:32] <dinamos> do someone know how to get j2sdk working for hoary 64
[04:32] <wezzer> but no, it just doesn't work
[04:32] <yahalom> ivoks, u said it has a .deb?
[04:32] <ivoks> yahalom debian sarge has it, yes
[04:32] <tritium> wezzer, http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:32] <Quazion> wastrel, i found it though, you can do: killall gnome-panel . it will restart the panel automaticaly :0
[04:32] <wezzer> tritium: yes, I followed those
[04:32] <Sm4sh> ivoks, no,u can edit id3 tag
[04:33] <zxc> how do you turn the num lock key on by default?
[04:33] <tritium> wezzer, you said the forums...
[04:33] <ivoks> Sm4sh well, this app can do all that and play the music :)
[04:33] <yahalom> zxc, ubuntuguide.org
[04:33] <davegahan> somebody that can help me on how i can install a program from a tarball ?
[04:33] <wezzer> tritium: ah well, that ain't the same then?
[04:33] <eruin> a "do everything" app doesnt quite fit in a linux distro imo :p
[04:33] <yahalom> zxc, unders tips and tricks
[04:33] <wastrel> Quazion:  kludgy but workable :] 
[04:33] <davegahan> alexandria - biblio database
[04:33] <prego> davegahan, depends on strongly what it is inside the tar...
[04:34] <dinamos> does someone know how to get j2sdk working for hoary 64
[04:34] <davegahan> the read me does not say a lot
[04:34] <dinamos> please help !
[04:34] <prego> davegahan, you play at DM?
[04:34] <Q_Continuum> Why does freenode always hang on ***Checking ident?
[04:34] <ivoks> tritium so... should i create deb for ubuntu?
[04:34] <Sm4sh> ivoks, its better than rythmbox?
[04:34] <airox> Q_Continuum: It waits for a response of the ident server.
[04:34] <tritium> ivoks, up to you...
[04:34] <tritium> Q_Continuum, did it work?
[04:34] <Q_Continuum> Trit, I had the number wrong.  but I found a good one.
[04:34] <Q_Continuum> except
[04:34] <ivoks> Sm4sh it is for me
[04:34] <prego> davegahan, if it is source, usually it is : ./configure, make, make install
[04:34] <Q_Continuum> when I kick over to console (only done it once)
[04:35] <orbital_> hello any1 here who can help me out? i'm a linux noob and i need some information,plz pm me
[04:35] <eruin> ivoks: can it burn audio cds? ;-P
[04:35] <ivoks> Sm4sh but if the new rythmbox will be good as eruin says...
[04:35] <dinamos> does someone know how to get j2sdk working for hoary 64 Please help ! im desperate
[04:35] <davegahan> which i play at DM
[04:35] <Q_Continuum> the screen goes like a tv would with static, where you can see the display, but it's constantly distorted.
[04:35] <ivoks> eruin can rythmbox? :p :)
[04:35] <davegahan> wish
[04:35] <prego> davegahan, make mind that it will not be handled by apt, dpkg
[04:35] <airox> Q_Continuum: Make a line with iptables to REJECT on port 113.
[04:35] <eruin> ivoks: the version I have yeah :)
[04:35] <airox> Q_Continuum: That would make it really fast.
[04:35] <ivoks> eruin share that version :)
[04:35] <orbital_> is there a help file for ubuntu beginners?
[04:35] <Q_Continuum> lol airox
[04:35] <davegahan> prego: can you help me on console for that ?
[04:35] <tritium> dinamos, I'm fairly certain that's one thing not yet working on amd64
[04:35] <ivoks> eruin really, u have deb?
[04:35] <eruin> ivoks: I havent built a deb of it
[04:35] <orbital_> because i got no clue how to install programs etc atm
[04:35] <wezzer> tritium: the problem is that mplayer can't make fullscreen when whatching videos - using that binarydriverhowto -driver
[04:35] <eruin> ivoks: I have the source though
[04:35] <davegahan> i exctracted the tar into my home directory
[04:35] <Sm4sh> ivoks, rytmbox is a semi-beta :(
[04:35] <ivoks> eruin good enough :)
[04:36] <eruin> ivoks: k, uploadin ;)
[04:36] <mateo> HI
[04:36] <Orb> guys?
[04:36] <Kawa> ren0: i am really sorry that i cant help you with the repositories on this, please have a look on the ubuntu forums ; (if you install xwine manually you have to change the libc6) i dont have the time to help you cause  i  have to go on with  thermodynamics in the universitiy      good luck anyways ;)
[04:36] <Q_Continuum> Trit...the resolution works but the video is distorted (static, screen keeps moving, have to switch back to and kill x to get any term to work)
[04:36] <ivoks> eruin compiles good on hoary?
[04:36] <prego> davegahan, you are Depeche Mode singer!!!
[04:36] <ivoks> eruin and, has it debian/control?
[04:36] <mateo> I have hoary amd64, and sox is not in the repositories !
[04:36] <mateo> nor mysql-administrator
[04:36] <davegahan> hush
[04:36] <tritium> Q_Continuum, that's strange, but the same would happen with lilo
[04:36] <mateo> nor mplayer
[04:36] <dinamos> Thanks tritium !
[04:36] <Orb> Kawa where can i find a help file for ubuntu beginners?
[04:36] <prego> davegahan, what is it inside the tar?
[04:36] <eruin> ivoks: I believe so - compiles well enough on breezy atleast - and it's got debian/control
[04:36] <airox> Q_Continuum: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 113 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset
[04:36] <tritium> dinamos, sorry to bear the bad news
[04:37] <Kawa> ren0: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:37] <davegahan> help me with alexandria .tar package pls
[04:37] <Q_Continuum> airox, what would that do exactly...? lol
[04:37] <ivoks> eruin woho! great... works ok?
[04:37] <eruin> ivoks: like a dream
[04:37] <davegahan> a collection of folders and files
[04:37] <ren0> Thanks for your help Kawa
[04:37] <Kawa> ren0: cu have fun
[04:37] <airox> Q_Continuum: It will reject new connections on port 113.
[04:37] <prego> davegahan, is it public stuff, I can download from elsewhere?
[04:37] <davegahan> bin, data, lib,... etc...
[04:37] <Q_Continuum> it's just that the mozilla irc server works real fast, instantaneously, but the freenode ones have a 10+ second delay lol
[04:37] <ivoks> eruin ok, let's see... quodlibet is great app, it would be great if r. is good as ql
[04:37] <davegahan> yes
[04:37] <dataw0lf|w> Q_Continuum: it adds a rule to your INPUT chain that drops tcp connections on port 113
[04:37] <airox> Q_Continuum: Normally a firewall doesn't return anything. Now it returns with a message it rejects connections on this port.
[04:37] <prego> davegahan, where to?
[04:37] <davegahan> http://alexandria.rubyforge.org/
[04:38] <mateo> where can I get that software ?
[04:38] <airox> dataw0lf|w: It doesn't drop.
[04:38] <Q_Continuum> tritium, anything I can do to maybe fix that?  or where I could find an odd resolution for it (native LCD is 1280x800...currently set to 1024x768)
[04:38] <ivoks> ups... time for AC
[04:38] <dataw0lf|w> airox: rejects, then.
[04:38] <dataw0lf|w> airox: do you think he knows the difference between reject and drop ?
[04:38] <tritium> Q_Continuum, possibly.  What video hardware do you have?
[04:38] <prego> davegahan, did you try apt-get install alexandria instead?
[04:39] <airox> dataw0lf|w: Well I guess I explained it rather simple :)
[04:39] <dataw0lf|w> airox: which is what I was doing.
[04:39] <davegahan> yes but thats the old version
[04:39] <davegahan> 4.0
[04:39] <prego> davegahan, I see
[04:39] <Q_Continuum> Mobility Radeon 9600, just using the ATI drivers.  I can't get the fglrx to install/configure correctly.
[04:39] <davegahan> the 5.01 is much better
[04:39] <davegahan> can only find it in a tar
[04:39] <airox> dataw0lf|w: But dropping the tcp connection would not speed up his connection.
[04:39] <prego> davegahan, let me see it (a couple of minutes)
[04:39] <mateo> sox is supossed to be in amd64 ?
[04:39] <Q_Continuum> I'm fine with 2D until I can get a local guru on-site to assist with the fglrx video.
[04:40] <dataw0lf|w> airox: goddamn it, I just said drop to get the point across.
[04:40] <airox> dataw0lf|w: Ok. :)
[04:40] <davegahan> Thanks !
[04:40] <dataw0lf|w> Christ.
[04:40] <eruin> ivoks: you got tla/arch ?
[04:40] <hunger> Q_Continuum: actually installing the ati drivers is easy with ubuntu... at least easier than with any other distri I tried so far.
[04:41] <eruin> my source archive somehow becomes 30+MB
[04:41] <ivoks> eruin ? hm.. guess not :)
[04:41] <Q_Continuum> hunger: I'm trying to do it for my laptop.
[04:41] <hunger> Q_Continuum: Do you use the default ubuntu kernel?
[04:41] <drcode> how do I Know that my nvidia card is PCI1:0:0: ?
[04:41] <Q_Continuum> which makes things complicated, I had to manually edit it to get the ati drivers working again (monitor selection doesn't let me select my odd 1280x800 resolution)
[04:41] <mateo> Hello ?
[04:41] <Q_Continuum> I do.
[04:41] <mateo> anyone could help me ?
[04:42] <drcode> I can see my pci card?
[04:42] <drcode> I try lspci
[04:42] <Q_Continuum> default kernel, going to switch to the amd64-k8 though
[04:42] <ivoks> eruin tla - arch revision control system? no, don't have that...
[04:42] <drcode> with out lack
[04:42] <prego> davegahan, seems that everything is quite explained at README file
[04:42] <eruin> ivoks: get it ;)
[04:42] <ivoks> ok.. sec...
[04:42] <jupiterste> dataw0lf|w: thanks for the help yesterday, i did some further research and found that a lot of people with IBM Thinkcentre and Debian are having kernel panics
[04:42] <tritium> Q_Continuum, regarding ATI, have you followed: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[04:42] <Q_Continuum> Yes.
[04:42] <davegahan> guess i am seeming dumb
[04:42] <hunger> Q_Continuum: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx linux-restricted-modules-XXX
[04:43] <Q_Continuum> what's the second one for?
[04:43] <hunger> Q_Continuum: And then it is "just" configuring X.org.
[04:43] <davegahan> please enlighten me
[04:43] <Q_Continuum> it's the configuring that breaks it.
[04:43] <tritium> Q_Continuum, also, once you've edited your xorg.conf by hand, you need to heed the warning at the top of the file regarding the md5sum change
[04:43] <prego> davegahan, in the bunch of files there is one whose name is README
[04:43] <hunger> Q_Continuum: The first is the linux driver, the second the X driver.
[04:44] <prego> davegahan, if you open it with lets say gedit you will see detailed instructions of which packages you need and what you require to do in order to install it.
[04:44] <Q_Continuum> hrmmmm....
[04:44] <hunger> Q_Continuum: Aehm... the other way around...
[04:44] <Q_Continuum> I only did the first one, would that maybe make it not work?
[04:44] <tritium> Q_Continuum, linux-restricted-modules contains the binary-only drivers provided by nvidia, ATI, etc.
[04:44] <davegahan> yes
[04:44] <davegahan> i have all packaged
[04:44] <hunger> Q_Continuum: You need both IIRC.
[04:44] <prego> davegahan, perhaps, however, the installation commands (I guess the last one, ruby install.rb install) need sudo...
[04:44] <davegahan> typed in consile the commands
[04:44] <prego> davegahan, and?
[04:44] <tritium> Q_Continuum, you absolutely need the restricted modules
[04:44] <davegahan> hmm let me check
[04:45] <Q_Continuum> that would probably break it.
[04:45] <Q_Continuum> unless the other one forces it's installation.
[04:45] <davegahan> werid
[04:45] <davegahan> no such file
[04:45] <Q_Continuum> how can I tell wether it's installed or not?  *brain fart*
[04:45] <tritium> Q_Continuum, break what?
[04:45] <zxc> how do I force close realplayer which is running in the background so I can delete it's folder in /opt
[04:45] <prego> davegahan, those commands need to be launched from the directory that holds all those fils
[04:45] <prego> davegahan, "no such file" which one?
[04:46] <davegahan> yep
[04:46] <tritium> Q_Continuum, apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:46] <Q_Continuum> make it not work, not having the restricted modules installed.
[04:46] <davegahan> one min
[04:46] <davegahan> ok
[04:46] <Q_Continuum> unable to locate package...means it's not installed, correct?
[04:47] <tritium> Q_Continuum, it should tell you "Installed: (none)"
[04:47] <tritium> and give you a candidate for installation
[04:47] <Q_Continuum> installed.
[04:47] <prego> davegahan, I have been able to follow all the steps execpt install, which i don't want to do...
[04:47] <Q_Continuum> it is already installed.
[04:48] <Q_Continuum> hrm.  then it would just be my misconfiguration of X that's causing X to crash whenever I select the fglrx driver.
[04:48] <Q_Continuum> damned laptop video. lol.  desktop (9600xt) went just fine.
[04:49] <davegahan> getting there but
[04:49] <davegahan> /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/alexandria/ui/about_dialog.rb:20: uninitialized constant Gtk::AboutDialog (NameError)
[04:49] <tritium> Q_Continuum, make sure you read the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf regarding md5sum, follow the steps, and then reconfigure
[04:50] <Q_Continuum> reconfigure = change ati to fglrx?
[04:50] <tritium> Q_Continuum, no, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:50] <Q_Continuum> it's when I run dpkg-reconfigure that I break X and have to kick back to ATI instead of fglrx
[04:51] <tritium> that's could be because of the md5sum mismatch since you hand-edited your xorg.conf
[04:51] <Q_Continuum> that could do it.
[04:51] <tritium> possibly
[04:51] <Q_Continuum> so it's those three commands that I have to execute after editing the file, correct?
[04:51] <tritium> So I'd address the md5sum, then follow http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:52] <Dew> How to change screen resolution
[04:52] <xerox> Hi!
[04:52] <Dew> Not in X window
[04:52] <xerox> How can I force 100dpi instead of 75?
[04:52] <tritium> Q_Continuum, I need to get going.  Are you pretty clear on what to try?
[04:52] <Q_Continuum> I think so.  I'll do it quick...leaving now?
[04:53] <tritium> Q_Continuum, soon
[04:53] <xerox> Sigh, nobody knows?
[04:53] <tritium> xerox, there are a few ways
[04:54] <Nalioth> xerox, knows what/
[04:54] <xerox> Nalioth, how to change the dpi from 75 to 100.
[04:54] <xerox> tritium, where?
[04:54] <Nalioth> sorry, no dpi
[04:55] <tritium> xerox, hold on a sec.
[04:55] <xerox> tritium, sure! Thanks much.
[04:55] <chavo> xerox, put -> Xft.dpi: 100 , in ~/.Xresources
[04:56] <xerox> chavo, OK, I try.
[04:56] <tritium> xerox, you can specify screen resolution directly in xorg.conf
[04:56] <Q_Continuum> trit: I"m gonna drop to a terminal and reconfig xorg
[04:56] <tritium> you can also use the --dpi switch to X in gdm.conf
[04:56] <xerox> tritium, I can't find anything about the dpi's in xorg.conf
[04:56] <matflasch> hello
[04:57] <migunal> how can i open an application with password prompt in gnome ? (like nautilus as root)
[04:57] <xerox> OK, I'll try both, thanks much.
[04:57] <matflasch> Which gid has the wheel-group?
[04:57] <popobsd> hi , How to install the xmms mp3 player ?
[04:57] <popobsd> I am new ...
[04:57] <matflasch> popobsd, apt-get install xmms
[04:58] <matflasch> or witg synaptic
[04:58] <matflasch> with
[04:58] <ivoks> popobsd apt-get install rythmbox gstreamer.*
[04:58] <matflasch> amarok is much better
[04:58] <ivoks> my ass
[04:58] <Nalioth> migunal, use "gksudo <command" in your start>run  menu
[04:59] <tritium> xerox, DisplaySize option in the Monitor section of xorg.conf
[04:59] <matflasch> I added the wheel group and I'm in this group now, but ich can*t switch the user, which gid have I to use for the wheel group?
[04:59] <popobsd> matflasch, thx
[05:00] <DBill1> is it possible to try amarok without corrupting xmms?
[05:00] <popobsd> ivoks, i am using a ubuntu liveCD. rythmbox was installed.
[05:00] <tritium> matflasch, ubuntu doesn't use a wheel group
[05:00] <ivoks> DBill1 amarok doesn't have anything with xmms
[05:00] <matflasch> tritium, no chance to add the group?
[05:00] <DBill1> okay thx
[05:00] <ivoks> matflasch why not?
[05:00] <ivoks> matflasch ubuntu uses admin group
[05:01] <tritium> matflasch, you can add it if you want
[05:01] <pixil9> Don't you just wanna add the user to admin?
[05:01] <tritium> matflasch, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-wheel
[05:01] <matflasch> i added ist, but I cant switch to another user... habe i to use a special gid?
[05:01] <matflasch> tnx
[05:01] <ivoks> matflasch adduser USER admin
[05:01] <amichai> setxkbmap -option "grp:switch,grp:shift_toggle" us,il
[05:01] <amichai> Couldn't find rules file (xfree86)
[05:01] <ivoks> matflasch then he can become root with sudo
[05:01] <amichai> any ideas?
[05:02] <ivoks> matflasch any user can become any user, only %admin can become root
[05:02] <davegahan> How can i undelete this thing ?
[05:02] <sig> delete what?
[05:03] <Nalioth> davegahan, what do you want to remove?
[05:04] <matflasch> ivoks, when i am in the admin group, i can switch to root, but regularly I am no root?
[05:04] <davegahan> well, sorry, installed a program and I need to get rid of it
[05:04] <ivoks> matflasch right
[05:04] <davegahan> installed from a tar
[05:04] <matflasch> thanks :)
[05:04] <tritium> matflasch, have you read http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo ?
[05:04] <ivoks> matflasch users in admin group are just users who can become root
[05:05] <davegahan> is there a way i can set my system back to an earlier state ?
[05:05] <matflasch> tritium, no, i regularly use gentoo.... since yesterday my first time with ubuntu ;)
[05:05] <Nalioth> davegahan, if you use "checkinstall" (a program) instead of "make install" when you compile your own stuff, its as easy to remove as "dpkg -r <program>"
[05:05] <matflasch> ivoks, that is what i want :)
[05:05] <tritium> matflasch, ubuntu disables root by default, and instead uses sudo.  Read the URL for more info.
[05:05] <davegahan> i did not compile, i guess....
[05:05] <matflasch> tritium, thanks
[05:05] <tritium> np
[05:05] <davegahan> what do u advise ?
[05:06] <Nalioth> davegahan, how did u install from a tar?
[05:06] <davegahan> i managed
[05:07] <davegahan> thanks Nalioth
[05:10] <Q_Continuum> tritium, it still won't work. >.<
[05:11] <tritium> Q_Continuum, did you deal with the md5sum issue first?
[05:11] <Q_Continuum> mmmhmmm.
[05:11] <tritium> what exactly doesn't work?  the reconfiguration process?
[05:12] <Q_Continuum> after the reconfig and I reboot, it crashes X.
[05:12] <tritium> Q_Continuum, time to inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the cause
[05:12] <Karhuton> I'm wondering if I should move from Debian to Ubuntu. Are there some issues that long-time debian user might dislike in Ubuntu?
[05:12] <Levander> Any way to use dpkg (or similar command) to just list the documentation files in a package?
[05:13] <Dreamer3> Karhuton: it is debian
[05:13] <Levander> Karhuton: only complaints from debian users I've heard is that Ubuntu is taking to much attention away from Debian (although most here think this is silly)
[05:13] <tritium> Levander, dpkg -L <packagename> to list all the files
[05:13] <Q_Continuum> and xorg is broken in other ways trit, it doesn't support my resolution.  (in fact, video card and display have conflicting ones CLOSE to mine, but not mine)
[05:13] <Levander> tritium: and can I filter for just the documentation files?
[05:13] <tritium> I suppose you can use "dpkg -L <packagename> | grep doc" if you want
[05:14] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: feels exactly like debian to me
[05:14] <Q_Continuum> 1200x800 for video card, but 1280x968 for monitor.  I'm gonna file a bug about that.
[05:14] <Karhuton> Levander: I'm thinking about practical stuff
[05:14] <Karhuton> Like releases used by apt-get (stable, testing and unstable)
[05:14] <Q_Continuum> brb...reloading x
[05:14] <Levander> Karhuton: that's what I'm saying, haven't seen anyone mention practical disadvantages. Ubuntu is a smaller distribution than debian, less people working on it.  There are probably fewer packages available.  But, I've never had a problem.
[05:14] <Karhuton> Or configuration changes
[05:15] <Levander> Karhuton: think biggest configuration change is something to do with the menus in the panel in gnome, think ubuntu came up with their own way
[05:16] <Levander> Karhuton: if you want complaints about ubuntu though, asking ubuntu users probably isn't best place to find them
[05:16] <Q_Continuum> .
[05:16] <tritium> Levander, it's not ubuntu-specific.  It's freedesktop.org standards
[05:16] <Levander> we don't get paid to use this, would switch if we didn't like
[05:16] <tritium> Levander, by the way, did you try the suggestion?
[05:16] <Levander> tritium: what you mean? haven't heard about this?
[05:17] <Karhuton> Levander: I was hoping to find few old Debian users here, who'd be missing some stuff in Ubuntu, that they had in Debian
[05:17] <Q_Continuum> tritium, I'll make sure to file a bug report about this - I'm also going to see if I can't get some local gurus to take a peek at it before I file the bug (I will jot down what I've been trying though)
[05:17] <Levander> tritium: no, I had already "manually" done same thing, was hoping for an option like rpm has that you only display docs
[05:17] <Q_Continuum> hrm...now the console video is working fine again (can switch to and back and no distorted video - must've been a one-time bug)
[05:17] <hunger> Karhuton: I miss decent bugreporting in ubuntu! debian is much nicer in that regard.
[05:17] <tritium> Q_Continuum, okay
[05:17] <Q_Continuum> Thanks for all the help anyway.
[05:17] <Levander> Karhuton: yeah, i see, wasn't bad guess, but I'm in here off and on, rarely hear anything about debian in here
[05:18] <Levander> Karhuton: maybe try again at diff time of day?  ppl do seem to keep *shifts* on when they are logged on
[05:18] <tritium> hunger, wait until you see Malone, then you'll change your opinion on that, I would think
[05:18] <Levander> Karhuton: I do think the availability of packages is probably the main issue, debian has a much bigger development base than ubuntu
[05:18] <hunger> tritium: On, Malone is a pita compared to reportbug.
[05:19] <Levander> Karhuton: this used to hit a lot of desktop users in Warty for multimedia packages, but I think that situation has gotten a lot better with Hoary
[05:19] <tritium> Not really.  With the universe and multiverse repositories, there are few packages in debian that are not in ubuntu
[05:19] <hunger> tritium: s/On/No/
[05:19] <tritium> hunger, it's a work in progress
[05:19] <Karhuton> Levander: The FAQ suggested, that, Debian packages rarely work in Ubuntu. You've tried 'em? Especially some of the more rare apps, that don't have a ubuntu package
[05:20] <Karhuton> Levander: I'm guessing mplayer was a concern
[05:20] <_kubuntu_VM> wasup all
[05:20] <hunger> tritium: Yeap, but some universe debs are broken (even though the debian debs are fine).
[05:20] <tritium> hunger, such as?
[05:20] <_kubuntu_VM> can someone give me a little help ?
[05:20] <hunger> tritium: libboost-dev
[05:20] <imachine> hey
[05:20] <Levander> Karhuton: rarely is an exaggeration, lots of people in Warty were using stuff straight out of marillat, but I assume there would be problems occasionally, and because of that I stay away from them.
[05:20] <imachine> uh, how can i play mp3 in ubuntu?
[05:20] <imachine> or, more over, what is the root password?
[05:20] <Levander> Karhuton: but no, only two issues I've got with ubuntu packages
[05:20] <tritium> hunger, have you filled a bug in Malone on that?
[05:20] <imachine> i cant su
[05:20] <imachine> wtf ;-)
[05:21] <tritium> imachine, http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[05:21] <hunger> tritium: Missing lots of header files... I can not build a single boost app with the ubuntu deb.
[05:21] <serfurj> imachine: sudo passwd
[05:21] <imachine> nah dude
[05:21] <hunger> tritium: bug512.
[05:21] <imachine> i tried that.
[05:21] <imachine> it doesnt work.
[05:21] <imachine> it asks me for.. oh wait.
[05:21] <_kubuntu_VM> sudo -s
[05:21] <tritium> imachine, read the wiki URL
[05:21] <imachine> uh. im stupid.
[05:21] <imachine> it asks me for a password - LOL.
[05:21] <Levander> svk (distributed version of, and based on svn) is rapidly evolving now, and is currently at version 0.99.  However, in hoary (that just came out) it's at version 0.27.  Would have to upgrade manually.  And, Firefox
[05:21] <imachine> i thought it asked me for a passwrord to sudo ;-)
[05:21] <iocaste> imachine: open xterm and type sudo apt-get install xmms to install the xmms media player
[05:21] <tritium> hunger, okay, I'll look into it
[05:21] <imachine> hehe
[05:21] <hunger> tritium: Great!
[05:21] <hunger> tritium: Thanks!
[05:22] <iocaste> 'sudo apt-get install xmms'
[05:22] <tritium> hunger, np.
[05:22] <serfurj> imachine: sudo asks for your user's password
[05:22] <_kubuntu_VM> can i use that command for installing gcc also ?
[05:22] <RichG> hey again... I'm trying to get accelerated graphics (at least 2D, hopefully 2D & 3D) with a VIA VT8378 "S3 UniChrome". could  someone tell me the best driver to use because I'm confused atm?
[05:22] <Karhuton> Levander, can you tell me where to get the binary main section's package list? Or maybe dcc it to me?
[05:22] <tritium> _kubuntu_VM, if you want gcc, you likely want other devel package as well.  you should install build-essential
[05:23] <Levander> Firefox in hoary is at 1.02 with some of the security patches of 1.03, I don't think they're going to do upgrades of firefox until breezy is released.  In debian, you could probably run the testing ff 1.03 package on the unstable distribution, but ubuntu doesn't have the same option.  However, you can download FF 1.03 from mozilla.org and install it from there
[05:23] <Karhuton> In Debian they're in /var/lib/apt/lists
[05:23] <Levander> Karhuton: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <imachine> iocaste: okay :-)
[05:23] <Levander> Karhuton: ubuntuforums.org - also, maybe search for "debian complaints" or something if you wanna research
[05:23] <synd> what P2P do you guys recommend? i dont like limewire at all.
[05:24] <Sm4sh> azureus
[05:24] <synd> Sm4
[05:24] <Levander> Karhuton: I have never gotten around a linux install as easily as ubuntu though, amazes me, although last thing I ran before ubuntu was debian woody.
[05:24] <synd> Sm4sh: thats bit torrent, correct?
[05:24] <Sm4sh> synd: yes
[05:24] <_kubuntu_VM> tritium: i am so linux n00b, can u tell me what i exactly need for gcc? i have used kynaptic for installing gcc-3.4
[05:24] <Karhuton> Levander: I enjoyed the way Debian installed. A lot more than many gui likes
[05:25] <Karhuton> Levander: I've used Debian since potato :-)
[05:25] <Levander> Karhuton: ubuntu's install is baseed on debian, think it's a text menu based thing.  But I use apt-get to do all my upgrades, just like I did on woody
[05:26] <Levander> Karhuton: because ubuntu is so much smaller (developer count wise) than debian, they do follow debian wherever they can.
[05:26] <LarstiQ> size doesn't mean everything
[05:27] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: are you still wondering if you'd like ubuntu?
[05:27] <Levander> They pick their battles to do something different, and really don't want to be to incompatible.  Debian is their gravy train, without it, they got nothing.
[05:27] <Absenth> is it possible to format a usb hard drive as FAT32 using ubuntu?
[05:28] <Karhuton> LarstiQ: Yeah.
[05:28] <Levander> Absenth: you tried mkfs -t vfat?
[05:29] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: well, I'm still a debianite, enjoying ubuntu on my desktop machine
[05:29] <Absenth> I haven't picked up the drive cage yet.  I just remember having problems where fdisk only showed FAT as a partition type, and windows saw it as Fat16 after the fact.
[05:29] <Absenth> but XP doesn't have the option to partition a disk in the Fat32 format.
[05:29] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: so perhaps I can help you resolve some questions
[05:29] <Levander> Absenth: never tried it myself, don't have that level of knowledge with it
[05:30] <Quazion> Absenth, i used ubuntu yesterday to format a drive as FAT32
[05:30] <Absenth> Levander, I can definatly give that a shot while here at work with an internal drive :)  a little testing never hurt anyone.  :)
[05:30] <Quazion> i used cfdisk to make a win95 FAT32 partition
[05:30] <serfurj> Karhuton: did you use stable or testing debian?
[05:30] <Quazion> option 0B
[05:30] <Absenth> Quazion, 0B, thanks man.
[05:31] <Quazion> then used the command: mkdosfs -v -F 32 /dev/sdf1
[05:31] <Quazion> just replace you own devicename :)
[05:31] <Quazion> use -F 32 if you need a partition bigger then 32GB
[05:31] <Quazion> i formated 80Gb drive which worked fine with dos version of norton ghost for example
[05:31] <Absenth> Quazion, yeah it'll be an 160gb drive.
[05:31] <Quazion> also worked under XP
[05:32] <Absenth> Quazion, that's exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks man.
[05:32] <Quazion> XP cant format partitions bigger then #@GB
[05:32] <Quazion> 32Gb i mean
[05:32] <Blue-Omega> i have a problem mounting me cdrom drive during the installtion
[05:32] <Absenth> Quazion, that's not true at all.  XP can partition up to 132gb up front, and larger after installing sp1
[05:33] <Quazion> NTFS ? not FAT i thought
[05:33] <Quazion> we tried on a XP SP2 machine
[05:33] <Absenth> Quazion, that's correct.  for Fat 32 is the limit
[05:33] <Quazion> *smiles*
[05:33] <Karhuton> serfurj: I've used stable and unstable
[05:33] <Levander> ntfs isn't fat or vfat, entirely diff
[05:33] <Absenth> Levander, I know.
[05:34] <Absenth> It'd be so much easier if we could just "write
[05:34] <Absenth> " to NTFS from linux.  :)
[05:34] <IcemanV9> i noticed gaim "disappeared" twice ... couldn't find core file - what's the deal with gaim?
[05:34] <Karhuton> LarstiQ: If Ubuntu does resemble Debian very closely, then maybe I'm worried over nothing
[05:34] <LarstiQ> Absenth: you could get paragon
[05:34] <bur[n] er> Absenth: u can with captive NTFS
[05:34] <Blue-Omega> somebody,please
[05:35] <Karhuton> LarstiQ: Just hoped I didn't have to go trough relearning stuff about the os, like you have to, when changing distros
[05:35] <Choubaka> Karhuton: Ubuntu is basically debian with a tweaked set of software :)
[05:35] <Levander> IcemanV9: there's something you have to set in your shell to get core files, it's like a ulimit parameter or something
[05:35] <Choubaka> Karhuton: no relearning needed.
[05:35] <Karhuton> LarstiQ: It get's annoying when you've used to find the same config files in the same directories for three years :-)
[05:35] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: you don't, hoary differs as much from sarge as sarge from woody
[05:35] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: ie, it's all the same
[05:36] <Levander> Karhuton: i use debian documentation sometimes to figure things out about ubuntu, i've never found I can't use those docs for something
[05:36] <serfurj> Choubaka: but ubuntu packages aren't as old, right
[05:36] <LarstiQ> serfurj: some sure are
[05:36] <Levander> serfurj: not as old as debian's stable, older than debian testing, probably kind of similar to debian unstable
[05:36] <Karhuton> I think I'll grab the installer cd-image and give it a try :)
[05:36] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: great :)
[05:37] <Levander> Karhuton: if you have enough free space on hard drive, can just install it in addition to debian
[05:37] <Levander> ubuntu setup process will let you do that
[05:37] <Karhuton> Levander: Does it use a chroot environment?
[05:37] <serfurj> Levander: don't you mean not as old as debian's stable, older than debian unstable
[05:37] <serfurj> ?
[05:37] <Karhuton> Levander: Or make another partition
[05:38] <Levander> Karhuton: chroot? somebody else? i've seen chroot mentioned, no idea what it is
[05:38] <serfurj> Levander: debian testing is the middle ground
[05:38] <Karhuton> Levander: I guess it makes another partition then
[05:38] <LarstiQ> Karhuton: another partition
[05:38] <Karhuton> Levander: chroot changes the root dir to directory x
[05:38] <Levander> serfurj: yes, older because ubuntu's stable release has gone through some testing.  ubuntu's breezy is probably about where debian's testing is at.
[05:39] <Karhuton> Levander: Recommended to chroot to a place that has working directory setup, with bin, etc, proc etc ;-)
[05:39] <sam_> hello
[05:39] <Choubaka> Karhuton: you can install ubuntu using debootstrap :D
[05:39] <Burgundavia> serfurj, Ubuntu is mostly newer than sarge
[05:39] <Levander> Karhuton: yeah, you get the same partition editor that when you install debian.  Can create a new partition.  Make sure to choose "partition manually"
[05:39] <Choubaka> but that requires tweaking -_-
[05:39] <Burgundavia> serfurj, at is is synced to sid
[05:39] <Levander> Karhuton: thanks for explaining chroot, but I still don't know
[05:40] <Karhuton> Levander: LarstiQ said it's a partition thing. I was thinking that chroot stuff would've been a little too complicated.
[05:40] <Ferkels_grosses_> help! im new with gnome.. and i will install gnome desktop!! now ive just the console!! and i think the internet doesnt work!!
[05:40] <ivoks> doh, sources :)
[05:41] <Ferkels_grosses_> ive a diskette with gnome files!!
[05:41] <Karhuton> diskette X)
[05:41] <serfurj> Burgundavia: so which is more stable: debian sid or ubuntu?
[05:41] <DBill1>      Grub error loading OS - is there a tool or a way to use ubuntu CD to edit grub?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> serfurj, Breezy and Sid are basicallyl the same right now
[05:41] <Burgundavia> serfurj, Hoary is more stable than Sid
[05:42] <Karhuton> serfurj: I'd say, that's impossible to know. But since ubuntu is a frozen set of packages, I'd bet on it.
[05:42] <serfurj> i see
[05:42] <Levander> serfurj: i would definitely think ubuntu hoary, because it's been frozen and gone through some testing that debian sid hasn't
[05:42] <Burgundavia> serfurj, Hoary is sid, frozen and stablized from about 3 months are ago
[05:42] <teced> Just installed wine from the packet manager - anybody know how to launch this as no menu item appears and seraching for "wine" reveals nothing!
[05:42] <Karhuton> Sid has it's moments, when a broken package gets trough and you'll find your X won't start one day.
[05:42] <Levander> DBill1: hold on.. i gotta link.
[05:43] <sam_> I have a question: I have 2 disks, I'm going to install ubuntu on the first, then I want to move /home on the second (I *have to* install with /home on the first during install). Is it ok if I 1) copy on the first disk /home to /home.bkp ") mount the second disk as /home 3) copy all the files from first disk's /home.bkp to second disk /home ???
[05:43] <kyncani> Xorg, gnome-2.10, kde-3.4, ... are not in sid yet
[05:43] <serfurj> Burgundavia: but that's only true if you use only hoary sources, correct?
[05:43] <Burgundavia> kyncani, 2.10 is almost fully in sid
[05:43] <Burgundavia> serfurj, yes
[05:43] <foxiness> i can not send info to "hardware db" ?
[05:43] <kyncani> Burgundavia: almost fully
[05:43] <Burgundavia> serfurj, what other sources would you use?
[05:43] <kyncani> not smthing like "3 months older"
[05:44] <serfurj> Burgundavia: well there are a lot of packages i need that are only in universe or multiverse
[05:44] <Burgundavia> kyncani, and 2.8 is what sarge is going to release with
[05:44] <Burgundavia> serfurj, those are hoary as well
[05:44] <Levander> DBill1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113
[05:44] <Burgundavia> serfurj, those are frozen from sid at the same time as main
[05:44] <Burgundavia> serfurj, with limited uploads to fix bugs since then
[05:44] <Quazion> wow bugzilla is confusing
[05:44] <foxiness> now my modem work and connected but i can not do anything "like it try my loacl-network to access not my modem"
[05:45] <DBill1> THANK-YOU!-THANK-YOU!-THANK-YOU! - I will name my first born male son "Levander" - (Is that extreme? - lol)
[05:45] <serfurj> Burgundavia: oh, i guess the disclaimer in the sources.list file confused me.  it says all of universe and multiverse are unsupported
[05:45] <serfurj> or something like that
[05:45] <BleSS> hi!
[05:45] <Burgundavia> serfurj, they are unsupported but that doesn't mean they shouldn'
[05:45] <BleSS> I need info about input devices to build x configuration: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4LU1p385.nln.html
[05:45] <Burgundavia> serfurj, be used
[05:45] <kyncani> unsupported by canonical i think
[05:46] <sam_> I have a question: I have 2 disks, I'm going to install ubuntu on the first, then I want to move /home on the second (I *have to* install with /home on the first during install). Is it ok if I 1) copy on the first disk /home to /home.bkp ") mount the second disk as /home 3) copy all the files from first disk's /home.bkp to second disk /home ???
[05:46] <Gabriel> Hello, I have a big problem with LVM2. One of my logical volume was deleted (but not formatted) and I would like to recover the data that was on it... How should I proceed?
[05:46] <Levander> sam_: yeah, that's fine, just make sure to modify /etc/fstab, do in this order
[05:46] <serfurj> Burgundavia: but they're considered hoary nonetheless?
[05:46] <Burgundavia> serfurj, yes
[05:47] <serfurj> Burgundavia: ok, thanks
[05:47] <sam_> Levander> thank you very much !!!
[05:47] <kyncani> sam_: 1) mv is fine. 2) remember cp -a
[05:47] <sam_> kyncani> ok I take note of this
[05:47] <ThomasWinwood> Hmm. Replacing the Firefox logo hasn't worked.
[05:47] <serfurj> Burgundavia: just to clarify.. how can they be considered hoary if they're downloaded from debian site repositories?
[05:47] <sam_> thank you ! bye
[05:48] <Burgundavia> serfurj, they are rebuilt in hoary chroots
[05:48] <serfurj> Burgundavia: i'll take your word for it
[05:48] <Levander> sam_: after having installed with home in disk 1, do 1.) create partition on disk 2, 2.) format this partition, 3.) mount it in some temporary directory, 4.) copy home directory over 5.) umount it, 6.) umount the old /home, 7.) modify /etc/fstab to point /home directory to point to the new partition, 8.) mount the new /home partition
[05:48] <Burgundavia> serfurj, ubuntu does source downloads and builds them in it own chroot, which may be subtly different than sid
[05:48] <Choubaka> Debian sid sources often compile just fine on Hoary. :)
[05:49] <Burgundavia> often but not always
[05:49] <Choubaka> well, they haven't failed for me.
[05:49] <Choubaka> :)
[05:50] <Burgundavia> mostly you end up in a race to satisfy deps
[05:50] <Choubaka> nah
[05:50] <Choubaka> Why would you?
[05:51] <Choubaka> you compile against Hoary libraries, so the packages will depend on those.
[05:51] <Choubaka> if the compilation succeeds, the package will install and function flawlessly.
[05:54] <bcowan> how do i get rid of a package that keeps failing and re-dl install it?
[05:54] <spo0nman> bcowan, hold
[05:54] <Seveas> apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[05:54] <spo0nman> bcowan, man apt-get  look for hild
[05:55] <bcowan> k I'll try those suggestions
[05:55] <spo0nman> s/hild/hold/ typo
[05:55] <bcowan> thnks
[05:55] <Seveas> spo0nman, that is quite the opposite of what he wants :)
[05:56] <Seveas> bcowan, apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[05:56] <fabio> Hello All
[05:56] <Seveas> that'll do the trick
[05:56] <DBill1> GM fabio
[05:56] <MFen> someone please remind me.. where am i supposed to put local commands that run at boot after everything else runs?
[05:56] <fabio> Hello DBill1
[05:56] <spo0nman> Seveas, i thought he said he wnats to get rid of it.
[05:56] <fabio> how are you?
[05:56] <Seveas> MFen, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[05:56] <Seveas> spo0nman, and then reinstall it :)
[05:56] <MFen> Seveas: ahhh thank you
[05:57] <bcowan> Seveas: that didn't work I still get this short read in buffer_copy error during --unpack
[05:57] <DBill1> (confirmed linux user 144 hours 3days without a reboot - is my computer on? - lol)
[05:57] <spo0nman> :-? unpack what unpack
[05:57] <MFen> Seveas: is this the only place? there's already a bunch of stuff here
[05:58] <bcowan> spo0nman: guess it's during dpgk unpack
[05:58] <Seveas> MFen, add it to the bottom
[05:59] <Seveas> bcowan, apt-get clean
[05:59] <Seveas> and then apt-get install
[05:59] <MFen> at the bottom is "exit 0" so i'm not feeling good about that one. also i really need this to run after the network comes up, and only if there's a network
[05:59] <bcowan> k
[05:59] <ivoks> MFen /etc/rc2.d/
[05:59] <BleSS> I need info about input devices to build x configuration: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4LU1p385.nln.html
[06:00] <Seveas> MFen, add it just before exit 0 and wrap it in a test that checkes whether the connection is up
[06:00] <ivoks> MFen call ur scripts S99Zsomething
[06:00] <Seveas> ivoks, no
[06:00] <ivoks> :)
[06:00] <ivoks> live and let other die :)
[06:00] <Seveas> ivoks, /etc/rc*.d contain only symlinks
[06:00] <maximaus> hi, ya'll, any GRUB experts about?
[06:00] <ivoks> Seveas i know, man
[06:00] <MFen> what about /etc/network/if-up.d?
[06:01] <ivoks> Seveas he could than create /etc/init.d/script and link to it
[06:01] <ivoks> same thing
[06:01] <Seveas> MFen, yes, that's a good place to put it if it depends on the net
[06:01] <MFen> ok
[06:01] <ivoks> not quite
[06:01] <ivoks> they could run couple of times than
[06:01] <CarlK> anyone have a recomendation on a util to help me week out duplicate .jpg files?
[06:01] <maximaus> I've got two distros installed and I want to change which one configures GRUB. :/
[06:01] <spo0nman> bcowan, look in /var/apt/cache/archiver and move the deb of your package to /tmp or something and try to download again.
[06:02] <Seveas> CarlK, diff
[06:02] <ivoks> maximaus start update-grub on one
[06:02] <bcowan> spo0nman: k I'll try that...last suggestion resulted in the same error
[06:02] <maximaus> :) thanks, ivoks--will do. :thumb:
[06:02] <tck> whats a good cd burner for gnome ?
[06:03] <zenrox> graveman
[06:03] <spo0nman> tck gnome-terminal cdrecord
[06:03] <ivoks> gnomebaker
[06:03] <maximaus> CarlK: I think gqview does that, but I'd google and check first.
[06:03] <Seveas> CarlK, try a script like the one on http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/33
[06:03] <CarlK> maximaus - thanks
[06:03] <spo0nman> ivoks, gnomebaker sucks
[06:03] <patrik_> hi all
[06:03] <spo0nman> ivoks, so does toaster
[06:03] <patrik_> where can i find the file where i can add repositores?
[06:04] <ivoks> spo0nman graveman destroyed couple of CDs of mine
[06:04] <ivoks> all gnome burn apps suck
[06:04] <CarlK> filename alone isn't enough - digital cam pics that get the same name when I start a new "set" - 0001.jpg and 0001.jpg may not be the same
[06:04] <Burgundavia> patrik_, /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:04] <patrik_> tnx
[06:04] <maximaus> HDD space is cheap, I stick with K3B--it's the best tool for the job.
[06:04] <spo0nman> so tck to answer your question , start gnome-terminal and do a cdrecord :D
[06:04] <ivoks> maximaus i agree
[06:04] <tck> is there a nice x frontend to it
[06:05] <ivoks> tck k3b
[06:05] <tck> ok
[06:05] <spo0nman> tck, no its a command line tool
[06:05] <ivoks> tck or u can buy nero
[06:05] <tck> haha
[06:05] <tck> as if
[06:05] <ivoks> ?
[06:05] <CarlK> k3b has the best logo ;)
[06:05] <maximaus> CarlK: check this out: http://gqview.sourceforge.net/docs/5_2_finding_duplicates.html
[06:05] <ivoks> there is nero for linux
[06:05] <ivoks> but i wouldn't use it..
[06:05] <maximaus> I do love the laser penguin, LOL
[06:05] <ivoks> it isn't free
[06:05] <spo0nman> tck, are you scared of command line tools or something?
[06:05] <tck> i used it before for linux
[06:05] <tck> nero that is
[06:05] <tck> i forgot about k3b
[06:06] <tck> spo0nman, nope my eyes are at me
[06:06] <maximaus> Nero for linux, I'm glad it exists, but tried it, K3B kicks its butt for now.
[06:06] <CarlK> maximaus - looking good
[06:06] <tck> can't stare at screen too much longer, getting headaches
[06:06] <tck> to much command line usage
[06:06] <maximaus> tck: try blinking. :P
[06:07] <tck> yeah i heard about that
[06:07] <tck> but when u see the fonts of the screen everywhere, its time to rest ;)
[06:07] <maximaus> Don't tell me you're using Clockwork Orange style eylid clamps to get more work done. LOL
[06:07] <zenrox> yep
[06:08] <tck> hehe, im going to try and go this weekend without using my laptop
[06:08] <tck> right talk yas later
[06:11] <dazzed> did it netsplit or somethin lol
[06:13] <ivoks> heh
[06:13] <maximaus> I'm such a moron, I closed my IRC client and the logging was off. :blush: How do I change which distro controls GRUB again? Was it "grub-update" or something?
[06:13] <mikerobi> after installing nvidia glx and doing nvidia-glx enable I get glx missing on display 0.0
[06:13] <mikerobi> any thoughts?
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> re do dpkg-reconfigure
[06:14] <CarlK> what do I put in fstab so all users can write to a fat mount?
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> rw
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> ... vfat defaults,rw 0 0
[06:16] <paulfox> CarlK, add the users group to fstab
[06:18] <paulfox> somethin like: /device /mountpoint  fsType  defaults,users,gid=100  0 0
[06:18] <paulfox> gid=100 is the group id for users on my box, which means anyone belonging to that group will be aloowed to write to it
[06:19] <CarlK> paulfox - thanks
[06:19] <bcowan> does nautilus cd-burner know howto burn an iso?
[06:20] <CarlK> I would hope so
[06:20] <lok> bcowan, yes
[06:20] <lok> just right clic on your iso
[06:20] <Mr_T> bcowan, check out gnomebaker
[06:21] <bcowan> lok, ok so I can just drag and drop and it will burn as an iso instead of data?
[06:21] <Mr_T> I know that does ISO
[06:21] <bcowan> Mr_T: I know how by hand, just wondered if nautilus knew how
[06:21] <Mr_T> ah
[06:23] <patrik_> i need some help with my soundcard, i have just installed hoary and my soundblaster audigy, it wont work,,, anyone?
[06:23] <ivoks> uh, that's a disaster :)
[06:23] <ivoks> ur computer is useless now :)
[06:23] <ivoks> patrik_ lspci | grep Multimedia
[06:24] <patrik_> ivoks, what should i write in the shell, IM a newbie
[06:24] <CarlK> still no go: /dev/hda6       /windows        vfat    defaults,users,gid=100
[06:24] <ivoks>  lspci | grep Multimedia
[06:25] <CarlK> mount shows /dev/hda6 on /windows type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100)
[06:25] <patrik_> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[06:25] <patrik_> 0000:02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
[06:25] <ivoks> patrik_ well, there u have it..
[06:25] <Mr_T> CarlK, what's the problem?
[06:25] <ivoks> u have two multimedia devices
[06:25] <patrik_> ivoks, what am i going to write now then?
[06:25] <CarlK> user cant write to /windows
[06:25] <ivoks> patrik_ try to connect speakers to ur onboard soundcard :)
[06:26] <patrik_> yes it works, but i want to use my soundblaster
[06:26] <ren0> During the upgrade && dist-upgrade to hoary from warty is there anything special to do regarding the changeover from XFree86 to X.org?
[06:26] <CarlK> grep user /etc/group; users:x:100:
[06:26] <Mr_T> CarlK, try umask=000
[06:26] <ivoks> patrik_ disable ur on board soundcard in BIOS
[06:26] <tbasten> dazzed, hey dude
[06:26] <patrik_> okay ivoks, do u think it will work then?
[06:27] <ivoks> patrik_ i'm sure it will
[06:27] <ivoks> patrik_ just run alsamixer when u boot ubuntu and set up ur channels
[06:27] <CarlK> Mr_T - thanks, that did it
[06:27] <ivoks> ok, i'm out of here..
[06:27] <Mr_T> CarlK, cool
[06:27] <ivoks> time for a break
[06:28] <gwildor> ren0, there wasn't when I did it months ago, when Xorg was first added.
[06:28] <ivoks> bye
[06:35] <RobinLionheart> Howdy
[06:37] <RobinLionheart> I'm a new Ubuntu user
[06:37] <Burgundavia> hello
[06:37] <Burgundavia> is very quiet here
[06:37] <RobinLionheart> I've been having some trouble getting my Cirque SmartCat touchpad to work right
[06:37] <ali4728> help needed ubuntu mysql server setup / how do I give permission to the users?
[06:41] <jjorquera> hola
[06:41] <tbasten_> hmm, anyone got much experence with ssh?
[06:42] <solomarv> ali4728: #mysql
[06:42] <bezibaerchen> tbasten_: in which matter
[06:42] <tbasten_> bezibaerchen, trying to access mates computer via ssh (i am not trying to hack his ocmputer, he needs me to help with a few things)
[06:43] <bezibaerchen> tbasten_: ssh user@host
[06:43] <bezibaerchen> where's the problem?
[06:43] <tbasten_> tbasten, cant seem to ping one another
[06:44] <tbasten_> there doesnt seem to be any firewalls in our way
[06:46] <Xappe> anyone familiar with irssi that knows if I can set different character encodings for different networks?
[06:46] <tbasten_> anyone have any idea if cairo will work with fluxbox?
[06:47] <CarlK> tbasten_ - is mates box a basic ubuntu box?
[06:48] <tbasten_> CarlK, yes
[06:52] <magnon> hey, I just installed Ubuntu on my Powerbook G4. Mouse not working. Anyone have any ideas?
[06:52] <tbasten_> magnon, plugged in?
[06:52] <tbasten_> :P
[06:52] <magnon> tbasten_: ah, I mean the trackpad
[06:52] <magnon> and no, the other mouse is bluetooth so its not plugged in ;)
[06:53] <magnon> havent found out how to unplug the internal mousepad yet :)
[06:53] <tbasten_> lol
[06:54] <magnon> hm, I could try the bluetooth mouse
[06:54] <magnon> never owned a machine with bluetooth before this one
[06:54] <shane_> ccan anyone help me with wine?
[06:55] <gunny> shane, what's your question?
[06:55] <shane_> i installed files and stuff and now i can't find them
[06:55] <shane_> and i'm new to linux
[06:55] <shane_> ubuntu
[06:55] <gunny> shane, the wine folder, for some stupid reason is hidden
[06:55] <shane_> oh
[06:56] <shane_> how do i find it
[06:56] <gunny> shane, go to your home folder and click view, show hidden
[06:56] <gunny> shane: it's called .wine
[06:56] <shane_> k one sec
[06:57] <gunny> shane: you should see a familiar directory structure there
[06:57] <dazzed> anyone know where i can get an xmmsinfo.pm for an irssi script?
[06:59] <magnon> uh, anyone know where to find the bluetooth adress for my mouse?
[07:00] <magnon> hidd doesnt want to search
[07:00] <ssam> is it printed on the mouse?
[07:01] <thandavarayan> magnon: address of the port or ....
[07:01] <magnon> ssam: unfortunately not, damn apple :)
[07:01] <dazzed> anyone know how to use cpan that can give me a quick runthrough?
[07:01] <magnon> thandavarayan: uh, whatever I need to connect to it
[07:01] <magnon> as I said I havent used a machine with bluetooth before
[07:01] <thandavarayan> magnon: did you tried dmesg
[07:01] <magnon> falling back when you prioritize other things than new computers :)
[07:02] <magnon> thandavarayan: just did, it says nothing
[07:02] <magnon> its not that much of a problem, the biggest problem is that the trackpad doesnt work
[07:02] <CarlK> magnon - bluetooth is an option on my toshiba 6100, I got it used - how would I know if it has it?
[07:03] <thandavarayan> magnon: did you check the supported hardware under ubuntu.com
[07:05] <magnon> CarlK: didnt understad that question
[07:05] <magnon> thandavarayan: no, didnt. Assumed that it worked, foolishly enough
[07:05] <thandavarayan> magnon: it has clear list of supported hardware
[07:06] <candyban_> Hi guys ... is there a good program to watch TV? I have a BT848 (Yes, I know it's hidiously old)
[07:06] <candyban_> All the programs I tried can't decode properly
[07:07] <candyban_> Using Hoary
[07:07] <jedediah> Lol, I'm doing ubuntu evangelizing in the #gentoo channel, didn't even mean to/
[07:07] <CarlK> candyban_ - du no if it is in hoary, but I hear TVTime is good
[07:08] <jode> Hi, does anyone know how to install a .bin file?
[07:08] <CarlK> jedediah - when you pass that, go to the next level: #debian
[07:08] <shane_> sorry back
[07:08] <bezibaerchen> sh filename.bin
[07:08] <Veritas> Alcohol 120%
[07:08] <jedediah> lol
[07:08] <shane_> i found the .wine folder and ran the exe with some really funky results
[07:09] <shane_> like the screen flickers really bad in a diagnoal pattern
[07:09] <CarlK> jedediah - they are a tough crowd before you even let it slip that you are using ubuntu - then they pounce
[07:09] <Veritas> Hey, I have an issue. I installed Ubuntu with a Dual boot of Windows XP Pro
[07:09] <jode> so I put sh filename.bin?
[07:09] <Veritas> now when I use GNU Grub boot loader and try to launch into Windows XP it fails
[07:09] <candyban_> How come I can only select NTSC, PAL, SECAM, PAL-Nc, PAL-M, PAL-N, NTSC-JP and PAL-60? I need PAL-B
[07:09] <gunny> shane: what program are you trying to run?
[07:09] <CarlK> Veritas - you expected linux to fix windows? ;)
[07:09] <jedediah> CarlK, Haha. I run both (gentoo and ubuntu), so I feel I have some grounds to tell newbs not to bother with gentoo.
[07:09] <thandavarayan> jode: just run its as ./*.bin
[07:10] <thandavarayan> jode: before that you must set the permission to execut'ble
[07:10] <CarlK> Veritas - I just did what you did last week - no prob at all - even shrank my NTFS partition (way cool)
[07:10] <Veritas> At my newbie stage in Linux I just wanted to be able to have software support for Wireless Networking auditing programs
[07:10] <CarlK> jedediah - me too - now I call it Generally Too much hassle
[07:10] <jode> how do I do that?
[07:10] <Veritas> Now, I can't do anything else :P
[07:10] <thandavarayan> jode: chmod 755 *.bin
[07:11] <Veritas> Carl, were you being sarcastic?
[07:11] <Veritas> "Not a problem at all"
[07:11] <Gamma-X> hey everyone
[07:11] <CarlK> Veritas - XP and Ubunto both work fine
[07:11] <Gianmaria> Hi everyone i think ubuntu rocks, if i get it installed
[07:11] <jode> will that change it to exectuble?
[07:11] <gunny> well ubuntu works better than XP I've found....
[07:11] <CarlK> Veritas - what happens after you pick the grub XP option?
[07:11] <Gamma-X> im gunna switch to ubuntu for my laptop. Anyone know if ubuntu works good with security?
[07:12] <Gianmaria> may i get some help from you guys?
[07:12] <thandavarayan> jode: you are setting the permission to execute an executable file
[07:12] <gunny> Gianmaria, just ask your question someone will answer when they can
[07:12] <CarlK> Gamma-X - the security gard at my work didn't mind ;)
[07:12] <Gamma-X> lol
[07:12] <jedediah> Gamma-X, Nice to see you here :-)
[07:12] <jode> how do I do that? I am a newbie
[07:12] <Veritas> Carl: I get a blue screen error
[07:12] <k4rl> chmod +x blah
[07:12] <thenuke> Gamma-X: umm, linux distributions generally are pretty secure
[07:12] <Gamma-X> lol thanks jedediah
[07:12] <thandavarayan> Gianmaria: of what type
[07:13] <SirFred> Hi.
[07:13] <thenuke> Gamma-X: but Ubuntu is not the most secure of all
[07:13] <Gamma-X> thenuke: im talkin about other things sorryl.
[07:13] <thenuke> Gamma-X: ok
[07:13] <CarlK> Veritas - did you resize the ntfs partition that XP was on?
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:13] <thenuke> Gamma-X: so what did you actually mean
[07:13] <Gianmaria> thx gunny, my scenario is laptop with only pcmcia cdrom and floppy driver, I've already tried but cannot boot from cdrom any ideas?
[07:13] <thandavarayan> thenuke: people working on this issues
[07:13] <k4rl> if you need to ask about security, nothings going to be as secure as it could be
[07:13] <Veritas> Carl: I'm not sure
[07:13] <Gamma-X> thenuke: lol dont worry about it.
[07:13] <Gamma-X> lol
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> just isntalled ubuntu hoary.
[07:13] <Veritas> The Grub Boot config for XP looks:
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> hotplug is still damn slow
[07:13] <SirFred> Is breezy already on repositories
[07:13] <SirFred> ?
[07:13] <Veritas> root (hd0,0)
[07:13] <Veritas> saedefault
[07:13] <Veritas> makeactive
[07:13] <Veritas> chainloader +1
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> do i need to do anythjing special to enable grepmap for hotplug ?
[07:13] <thandavarayan> da_bon_bon: how long does it takes
[07:13] <Gamma-X> does ubuntu have an install feature like gentoo such as emerge?
[07:14] <CarlK> Gamma-X - yes: apt-get
[07:14] <thandavarayan> Gamma-X: apt-get, dpkg
[07:14] <Gamma-X> lol nice.
[07:14] <candyban_> How come /dev/mixer is always my integrated SiS audio controller while /dev/mixer1 is my Creative Labs SB Live? (I always have to mv /dev/mixer /dev/mixer0 and symlink /dev/mixer -> /dev/mixer1
[07:14] <tbasten_> dazzed, hmm u there mate.
[07:14] <Gamma-X> its got sumtin like portage im assuming? oh also is the install as rediculous as gentoo?
[07:14] <tbasten_> dazzed, fluxbox seems to be getting slow for me
[07:14] <jode> what command do I use to make a .bin file executable?
[07:14] <Veritas> Carl: any idea what to do?
[07:14] <usynic> candyban_: you should disable your onboard in the bios
[07:14] <danko123456> Im awake
[07:14] <danko123456> )
[07:15] <Veritas> how could I tell if it shrank my XP install?
[07:15] <candyban_> usynic: I want to use my onboard sound
[07:15] <Gamma-X> should I install windows xp first for a dual boot using ubuntu?
[07:15] <jedediah> Gamma-X, Most of the installs are binary packages so they install really really quickly, not like gentoo (with portage) where everything takes a week and a day.
[07:15] <candyban_> usynic: I use that for Gnome errors the other one goes to my "big" speakers
[07:15] <festis> jode, chmod +x <filename.bin>
[07:15] <thandavarayan> Gamma-X: yes you should
[07:15] <jedediah> Gamma-X, Yes, windows preferred to be installed first.
[07:15] <candyban_> usynic: that way I can easily disable all sounds coming from my window manager
[07:16] <candyban_> usynic: or separate between my game and music
[07:16] <Gamma-X> jedediah: ok thanks lol
[07:16] <promethe> How can I do frequency check on text?
[07:16] <usynic> candyban_: you got me.
[07:16] <jode> thanks fetis
[07:16] <Gamma-X> jedediah: is it possible to play world of warcraft and counter strike ok ubuntu?
[07:16] <Veritas> Carl?
[07:16] <Gianmaria> I have only a floppy driver and a pcmcia cdrom to install ubuntu (does not boot from that tought) any ideas? please...
[07:17] <magnon> hm, do I need kernel source to build kernel modules? It looks for /lib/modules/kernelversion/build
[07:17] <CarlK> Veritas - when you started to install ubuntu, did you have a free partition, or was XP on one big C: drive?
[07:17] <jedediah> Gamma-X, I don't honestly know. I keep windows installed to play my games, because I don't have the time do bother with WINE or something like that.
[07:17] <Veritas> I had a free Partition
[07:17] <danko123456> Gianmaria: have you tried tweaking you vios to see if you can boot from your cd-rom
[07:17] <danko123456> ?
[07:17] <Veritas> Already made and set up with Partition Magic
[07:17] <Gamma-X> ANYONE use WINE?
[07:18] <thandavarayan> Gamma-X: why not
[07:18] <danko123456> Gamma-X: Im sure someone does.
[07:18] <CarlK> Veritas - how about before you used PM?  one big C:?
[07:18] <shane_> anyone have a copy of cedega i can get?
[07:18] <danko123456> WoW, yes...
[07:18] <danko123456> vounterstrike, not sure.
[07:18] <danko123456> Gamma-X: check out cedega
[07:18] <Veritas> Yes, Carl
[07:18] <IIIEars> what is the dpkg command to reconfigure xorg?
[07:18] <Veritas> Before I used PM it was all C:
[07:18] <Gamma-X> danko123456: WHAT THE HELL IS THAT LOL
[07:19] <thandavarayan> dpkg-reconfigure
[07:19] <CarlK> Veritas - after PM, before Ubuntu, did you boot into XP to make usre it still worked?
[07:19] <CarlK> make sure
[07:19] <Veritas> Yes.
[07:19] <festis> IIIEars, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:19] <danko123456> Gamma-X: try it?
[07:19] <CarlK> hmm...
[07:19] <danko123456> its a emulator, to let you play win games...
[07:19] <Veritas> I didn't instant instal using the "Install a new OS" in PM
[07:19] <danko123456> I mean,/
[07:19] <danko123456> thats my assumption
[07:19] <IIIEars> Excellent! Thanks :)
[07:19] <Veritas> I activated it after I made sure it worked
[07:19] <danko123456> I dont play games.
[07:19] <danko123456> I heard ppl talk about it though
[07:20] <Gamma-X> danko123456: have you? if so is it good and does it run games well?:
[07:20] <danko123456> and I now for a fact that it does run WoW
[07:20] <danko123456> it runs it as good as anything
[07:20] <danko123456> I think, anyhow
[07:20] <danko123456> does that answer it?
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> sorry i got disconn...
[07:20] <danko123456> that is the way to go, definitely
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> i ask again
[07:20] <Gamma-X> danko123456: well what i want to say is will it run them and then shutdown for a fault? or will it run them good lol
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> do i need to do anything special to enable grepmap for hotplug ?
[07:21] <magnon> woha, trackpad working :)
[07:21] <magnon> that's one step closer at least
[07:21] <da_bon_bon> ?? jre
[07:21] <uhelper> jre: To simply enable java in firefox see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre -OR- If you wish to install java as a package please download the 'java-package' through synaptic or apt-get. Proceed by downloading the JRE linux bin from http://java.sun.com/ (either 1.4.2 or newer). Use the command 'make-jpkg linux1.4.2.bin' as an example. Then install with 'dpkg -i linux1.4.2.deb'
[07:21] <danko123456> Gamma-X: i NEVER TRIED
[07:21] <tbasten_> anyone here use fluxbox
[07:22] <danko123456> It is known to work, to the best of m,y knowledge
[07:22] <CarlK> Veritas - don't know what to sugest, other than it will be quicker to just restore the backup that I hope you have
[07:22] <Veritas> I don't.
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> do i need to do anything special to enable grepmap for hotplug ?
[07:23] <shane_> can anyone tell a noob how to install a .deb file?
[07:23] <danko123456> I gotta go 2 work
[07:23] <danko123456> later
[07:23] <SirFred> shane_: sudo dpkg -i file
[07:23] <da_bon_bon> shane_: sure. dpkg -i FILE.DEB
[07:23] <gunny> shane: dpkg -i debfile.deb as sudo
[07:24] <Gianmaria> no cdrom install any ideas? is there a boot floppy?
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> Gianmaria: netowrk install ? usb install ?
[07:24] <CarlK> Veritas - I would get some Windows help on this - they may have you replace Grub with the XP boot loader thing, which is fine
[07:24] <Gianmaria> dabonbon: network install
[07:24] <veritas_> Where do you recommend to go for that?
[07:25] <CarlK> once you get XP working, you should be able to get grub back
[07:25] <shane_> do i put the sudo in forn't of that?
[07:25] <CarlK> veritas_  that one I can't help... #windows isn't it - maybe #windowshelp or winhelp
[07:25] <festis> shane_: yes
[07:25] <shane_> k
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> Gianmaria: type two to three letters of a persons nick and press TAB key
[07:25] <da_bon_bon> shane_: yes
[07:26] <Gianmaria> da_bon_bon: thanks man,
[07:26] <CarlK> dabbbbb... after 10 tabs, i got tired
[07:26] <CarlK> dabbbb.. and I don't want to shift
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> Gianmaria: no problem
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> CarlK: then enter more words from beginning to help the client be more specific
[07:27] <CarlK> so you are dabbbbb to me ;) - have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[07:27] <shane_> root@ubuntu:/home/shane/Desktop # sudo dpkg -i cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[07:27] <shane_> Selecting previously deselected package cedega.
[07:27] <shane_> (Reading database ... 79270 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:27] <shane_> Unpacking cedega (from cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb) ...
[07:27] <shane_> dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
[07:27] <CarlK> dabbbbbb words?
[07:27] <shane_> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
[07:27] <veritas_> While I'm working on that
[07:27] <shane_> dpkg: error processing cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb (--install):
[07:27] <shane_>  short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/transgaming_cedega/winex/lib/libwininet.so')
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> CarlK: eeek, windows ?
[07:27] <shane_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:27] <veritas_> I might as well get more help for Ubuntu
[07:27] <shane_>  cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[07:27] <shane_> ....whats this mean?
[07:27] <veritas_> When I installed... The only res I have is 1024x768
[07:27] <CarlK> shane_ - it meas you are going to get beet for pasting that much
[07:27] <da_bon_bon> shane_: are u sure its not warez ?
[07:27] <veritas_> When I'm using a widescreen res of 1280x800
[07:27] <shane_> sorry
[07:27] <shane_> i'm new to this
[07:27] <shane_> diden't mean to offend
[07:28] <shane_> {(
[07:28] <veritas_> I selected that in the Ubuntu installer but it's still all streched
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> no offence. is it warez, shane_
[07:28] <tbasten_> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[07:28] <tbasten_> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:28] <tbasten_> ?
[07:28] <shane_> i don't know a freind gave it to me
[07:28] <CarlK> shane_ - http://paste.phpfi.com
[07:28] <shane_> i'm new to linux and all this stuff
[07:28] <Sauron21> hi....could anyone tell me why I get a "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library" when I try to run a program?
[07:28] <shane_> if it was wincrap i would know
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> shane_: rafb.net/paste to paste ur stuff
[07:29] <tbasten_> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:29] <tbasten_> what do i do?
[07:29] <shane_> i type that in here?
[07:29] <shane_> i'm only a few days old on unbutu
[07:29] <dazzed> tbasten_: what you trying to do
[07:29] <shane_> ubuntu*
[07:30] <dazzed> tbasten_: get this from apt-get 'build-essential'
[07:30] <CarlK> shane_ - http://paste.phpfi.com - go there, hit paste, hit Save, then cut the url and paste the URL here.
[07:30] <tbasten_> dazzed, get cairo working (./configure from the src)
[07:30] <da_bon_bon> shane_: please paste the compelte error output on www.rafb.net/paste
[07:30] <CarlK> or there
[07:30] <dazzed> tbasten_: ok yeah get 'build-essential' from apt-get
[07:30] <dazzed> or synaptic
[07:31] <tbasten_> thanks man
[07:31] <tbasten_> how u been anyway?
[07:31] <dazzed> tired...stayed at the club  til 5 last night
[07:32] <dazzed> still using flux or you dont like it?
[07:32] <dazzed> tbasten_: im reading your question in #fluxbox and i have an answer for u
[07:32] <dazzed> its an ubuntu specific problem
[07:33] <tbasten_> ah ok
[07:34] <veritas_> ugh...
[07:34] <tbasten_> dazzed, i really dont like that guy
[07:34] <veritas_> I just downloaded graphical drivers for Ubuntu, double click the install.sh, clicked run and nothing is happening.
[07:34] <dazzed> tbasten_: hes a dev...ull learn to love him
[07:34] <dazzed> meltir is the mean one
[07:34] <Gianmaria> CarlK: thanks hope it works, when they say boot net your pc what do they mean? configure the bios to do that?
[07:35] <tbasten_> dazzed, um, ok. So how do i do what u said i need to do
[07:35] <CarlK> Gianmaria - yep
[07:35] <CarlK> Gianmaria - "they" is me ;)
[07:35] <dazzed> tbasten_: but when you compile your own fluxbox (get off the package...i can walk you through if ud like) thats when you change it
[07:35] <shane_> http://phpfi.com/59771 there it is i diden't upload the file cause it takes to long just the info
[07:35] <CarlK> Gianmaria - does your box have a "net boot" option?
[07:36] <tbasten_> dazzed, ok. u on msn or icq?
[07:36] <veritas_> I just downloaded graphical drivers for Ubuntu, double click the install.sh, clicked run and nothing is happening.
[07:36] <dazzed> im on aim...can u get on msn via gaim?
[07:36] <Gianmaria> CarlK - can't wait to go home, they is you? ok, thanks, I'm using debian woody as the server should it be okay?
[07:36] <tbasten_> dazzed, yeah
[07:36] <CarlK> Gianmaria - debian on the server side is fine
[07:37] <dazzed> tbasten_: im gettin on msn (daze420d@bellsouth.net)
[07:37] <Gianmaria> CarlK: yeppeeeeeee, talk you later guys, ubuntu rocks, linux does, I'm nuts I know
[07:37] <RobinLionheart> Sauron: You changed your language, right?
[07:37] <veritas_> Can someone help a nub out. :[
[07:37] <veritas_> I just downloaded graphical drivers for Ubuntu, double click the install.sh, clicked run and nothing is happening.
[07:37] <tbasten_> dazzed, doen
[07:37] <CarlK> Gianmaria - feel free to PM me with Q's about it so that I can see themn later if Im not here
[07:38] <RobinLionheart> Sauron: I got that when I tried running some things after changing my language to Esperanto
[07:38] <CarlK> Gianmaria - or e-mail carl@personnelware.com
[07:38] <Gianmaria> CarlK: PM? what's that?
[07:38] <CarlK> Gianmaria - Priv Message, /pvt i think
[07:39] <festis> shane_: no need to use sudo when you are logged in as root
[07:39] <Gianmaria> CarlK: way to kind man, talk you later bye
[07:39] <shane_> oh ok
[07:39] <CarlK> :) - see ay
[07:39] <festis> shane_: looks to me like there's a problem with your .deb file
[07:40] <shane_> darn it
[07:40] <danko123456> is there a command I should run to tweak my power management in an iBook?
[07:40] <shane_> i can't afford cedega for 55 dollars :(
[07:40] <mikerobi> can synaptic be used to get source packages?
[07:40] <danko123456> get, a, JOB?
[07:41] <dataw0lf|w> that's a novel idea.
[07:41] <shane_> would if i wasen't paralized from the waist down
[07:41] <danko123456> heh, my bad
[07:41] <Choubaka> shane_: 55 dollars? : <
[07:41] <shane_> yeah :(
[07:41] <danko123456> I always have such comments
[07:41] <dataw0lf|w> I could do my job if I was paralyzed from the waist down.
[07:41] <Choubaka> shane_: sell your brainpower!
[07:42] <danko123456> right.
[07:42] <shane_> well in michigan if you work than you can't collect disability
[07:42] <danko123456> ok
[07:42] <shane_> and it's really hard to do anything with a severd spine :(
[07:42] <danko123456> I talked to a michigan guy last night
[07:42] <Choubaka> That sucks. :|
[07:42] <danko123456> Marc74
[07:42] <danko123456> I had root privileges on his comp at one point.
[07:43] <shane_> yea it hets too
[07:43] <shane_> my $$$ goes for pain med so i can't afford things like cedega
[07:43] <Choubaka> I've had root on a couple machines not my own.
[07:43] <Choubaka> Never abused the power though.
[07:43] <danko123456> right.
[07:43] <danko123456> Its funny ppl still trust one another, though,.
[07:44] <danko123456> I mean, I started out wanting to tell him how to do  his jre...
[07:44] <danko123456> then in the end, I installed it myself.
[07:44] <Sauron21> guys....how can I change the "LC" variable? .....I now have "en_US.UTF-8"......I apparently have to have it to say "C"....
[07:44] <Sauron21> any ideas?
[07:44] <danko123456> he had soime debian JRE package, in form of an RPm..
[07:44] <danko123456> and he was like, why does this not install...
[07:45] <danko123456> what LC variable?
[07:45] <danko123456> is it a shell variable?
[07:45] <devazion_> Hi anybody here using beagle? it indexes everything for me except ONE folder... its pretty strange cuz its just a regular folder in my home catalog... anybody that use it too?
[07:45] <xtrace> quit
[07:45] <Sauron21> the "locale" command utput...
[07:45] <RobinLionheart> Sauron: Well, I choose the language in the gdm login screen
[07:45] <danko123456> is it a shell variable?
[07:46] <Sauron21> I am using kde.....
[07:46] <RobinLionheart> What were you running that didn't accept en_us.UTF-8?
[07:46] <danko123456> a shell variable?
[07:46] <danko123456> no, its not
[07:46] <danko123456> :P
[07:46] <danko123456> not an environmental, anyhow.
[07:47] <Sauron21> I dont know what it is...but people keep tell my that that is the root of the problem of my "Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library" problem....
[07:47] <RobinLionheart> Sauron: Can you just change the LANG envariable?
[07:47] <danko123456> type printenv in a command prompt.
[07:48] <danko123456> whats the LANG variable value?
[07:49] <Sauron21> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[07:49] <danko123456> is that the value you wanna change?
[07:49] <Se7h> omg
[07:49] <danko123456> whats up?
[07:49] <candyban_> grmbl ... video capture in Linux sux
[07:49] <Sauron21> well...thats what hear.....people at #gtk+ tell me that it should be "C".....
[07:50] <danko123456> thats weird thouugh, I ll tell you how to change that one
[07:50] <Sauron21> ok
[07:50] <Se7h> im getting an error in rythmbox  "GStreamer encountered a genereal supporting library error"
[07:50] <thenuke> I think I had to have lang=C too
[07:50] <danko123456> export LANG=C
[07:50] <thenuke> to fix those errors or warnings
[07:50] <danko123456> in a terminal
[07:51] <danko123456> then do a printenv again, to see if it changed
[07:51] <Sauron21> danko123456:...could you check what you got?
[07:51] <danko123456> what?
[07:51] <Sauron21> just to be on the safe side?
[07:51] <danko123456> tyry myself?
[07:51] <danko123456> hehe
[07:51] <Sauron21> hehe....
[07:51] <danko123456> ok, its just a variable
[07:52] <danko123456> yup it changes it
[07:52] <danko123456> not sure wy would I do that, though.
[07:52] <danko123456> Try it, see if it fixes it,
[07:52] <danko123456> let me know:)
[07:52] <danko123456> It does change the variable.
[07:52] <Sauron21> hehe......well...if things go bad for you.....you know who to point the finger at!!!
[07:52] <Sauron21> hehe
[07:53] <danko123456> no, It changed the variable...I dont know where the error message is, so I dont know how to stest  it...
[07:53] <danko123456> If you want, let me know where to test
[07:53] <danko123456> but quick, cause Im off to work.
[07:54] <Sauron21> it worked....it changed....
[07:54] <danko123456> and noi error?
[07:54] <danko123456>  I told you it does change it.
[07:54] <Sauron21> let me checkI still have the ""Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C"
[07:54] <Sauron21> ....:(
[07:55] <Sauron21> I wont kepp you any longer....
[07:55] <Sauron21> I will try googling it a little more....
[07:55] <danko123456> ok, go export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[07:55] <dcraven> Sauron21: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" and chose your locale from the list. I'm just guessing here though.
[07:56] <Sauron21> you appear to be really good at guessing.....:P
[07:56] <danko123456> you can come a little later, and see if anyone that knows their Ubuntu is here.
[07:56] <dcraven> Sauron21: you could also try reinstalling the locales package, although reinstalling things never fixes nada for me.
[07:57] <Sauron21> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:57] <Sauron21> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:57] <Sauron21>         LANGUAGE = "en",
[07:57] <Sauron21>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:57] <Sauron21>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[07:57] <Sauron21>     are supported and installed on your system.
[07:57] <Sauron21> I get this everyt time I install something....
[07:57] <danko123456> export LC_ALL=C maybe
[07:58] <dcraven> Sauron21: did dpkg-reconfigure work? that's just a warning.
[07:58] <danko123456> I mean, it may not be, since those are shell variables.
[07:58] <danko123456> related to the shell.
[07:58] <Sauron21> oh...It didnt work.....I got a "locales are not isntalled"
[07:58] <Sauron21> Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[07:58] <dcraven> Sauron21: "sudo apt-get install locales"
[07:58] <sm22> Im having some networking issues with ubuntu
[07:58] <sm22> can anyone gimme a hand
[07:59] <danko123456> whats up?
[07:59] <danko123456> wireless?
[07:59] <sm22> nah its a regular router
[07:59] <danko123456> whats up with it?
[07:59] <sm22> i want to know how to add a network device on ubuntu
[07:59] <Zerboxx> Howdy everyone
[07:59] <danko123456> HiYa
[07:59] <sm22> so my laptop can recognize the router
[07:59] <sm22> i have it plugged in to connection 1 but there are no lights
[08:00] <dcraven> Sauron21: that'll fix it I bet.
[08:00] <Zerboxx> Quick, pretty general question: I finally figured out the "official" type of soundcard I have (through Dell's website), but when I look through linux, I get something that seems more general, why's this?
[08:01] <dcraven> Zerboxx: you look at lspci?
[08:01] <Zerboxx> dcraven: Yup
[08:01] <dcraven> Zerboxx: whatever lspci says, I'd believe.
[08:01] <danko123456> sm22
[08:01] <Zerboxx> dcraven: Damn :) i can't seem to get alsa drivers for my soundcard then, sadly
[08:01] <danko123456> comfigure your computer so it uses DHCP...
[08:01] <danko123456> and it should work.
[08:02] <Orillion> hi guys :)
[08:02] <danko123456> even through system, administration, networking
[08:02] <danko123456> Im out to work.
[08:02] <sm22> how do i do that
[08:02] <sm22> AHH
[08:02] <sm22> HOW DO THE NETWORK ON UBUNTU
[08:02] <sm22> *CONFIGURE
[08:03] <goldfish> lol
[08:03] <goldfish> Caps will get you nowhere.
[08:03] <goldfish> Calm down.
[08:03] <sm22> wow
[08:03] <sm22> computers
[08:03] <sm22> are very stressful
[08:03] <goldfish> They are.
[08:03] <sm22> sorry
[08:03] <sm22> im so stressed out
[08:03] <Zerboxx> sm22: They can be, but when they're working, they're a joy :)
[08:03] <Sauron21> just calm down......
[08:03] <sm22> yes
[08:03] <Sauron21> :P
[08:03] <Smeven> hi
[08:03] <sm22> your right..
[08:03] <Orillion> sm22
[08:03] <Orillion> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configurenetworkconnections
[08:03] <Orillion> look there
[08:03] <Orillion> :)
[08:03] <IIIEars> sm22 - when you said there are no lights did you mean on the eth card or the router?
[08:03] <sm22> thanks
[08:03] <sm22> =)
[08:03] <Sauron21> I think you just saved this guys life....:D:D
[08:04] <sm22> the router
[08:04] <sm22> the eth card wasnt recognized
[08:04] <Orillion> :)
[08:04] <IIIEars> okay
[08:04] <sm22> but it worked when i had redhat
[08:04] <dcraven> Sauron21: did that work? Installing locales?
[08:04] <Zerboxx> Ooh another question that I had yesterday: When I use Ubuntu's printer setup thing, my printers drivers aren't there, so where should I look for them?
[08:04] <Smeven> anyone know of a place to get lxdvdrip compatiable debs for ubuntu?
[08:04] <Orillion> what printer do you have Zerboxx
[08:04] <Zerboxx> Orillion: Lexmark z55
[08:05] <dcraven> Zerboxx: Uhgg.. Lexmark. Have a look at www.linuxprinting.org to see if your printer is in the list of compatibles.
[08:05] <busfahrer> Mine's listed as "paperweight". :-)
[08:06] <dcraven> heh
[08:06] <Zerboxx> dcraven: Will do (Lexmark bad in general or just with linux?)
[08:06] <Zerboxx> hehe
[08:06] <veritas_> I just downloaded graphical drivers for Ubuntu, double click the install.sh, clicked run and nothing is happening.
[08:06] <dcraven> Zerboxx: bad in general, worse with Linux.
[08:06] <Orillion> Zerboxx
[08:06] <Zerboxx> Orillion: Yes?
[08:06] <Zerboxx> it's not there, z52, z53 but not 55 :(
[08:07] <Sauron21> I dont know what locales your talking about?....is that anything I can find in Synaptic?
[08:07] <Orillion> after this page http://downloads.lexmark.com/cgi-perl/downloads.cgi?ccs=229:1:0:339:0:0 there is only drivers for Caldera OpenLinux Linux Mandrake Red Hat Linux SuSE
[08:07] <dcraven> Zerboxx: Well you could try the z53 drivers and cross your fingers.
[08:07] <Zerboxx> dcraven: did that, printer began to scare me
[08:07] <dcraven> So when did mandrake change its name?
[08:08] <Orillion> but maybe try the link dcraven gave you or maybe you can somehow get the drivers from one of the other Distributions to work on ubuntu
[08:08] <dcraven> Zerboxx: Scare?
[08:08] <pussfeller> will the kubuntu disk overwrite my grub config
[08:08] <veritas_> Is anyone availible to help me?
[08:08] <Zerboxx> Orillion: I was there and it worked when I had Mandrake10.1, so if I try another distro's drivers it may work?
[08:08] <pussfeller> i cant remember if theres an option for it, or if ubuntu uses liko or grub
[08:08] <Zerboxx> dcraven: Well it didn't always make noises like that, and that constantly, and...yeah, scare
[08:09] <dcraven> Zerboxx: you tried the gimp-print z53 drivers?
[08:09] <Orillion> Zerboxx >> donno you could try
[08:09] <dcraven> Zerboxx: Oh. I see.
[08:09] <Zerboxx> Orillion: Will do, once I'm back at my place where the printer is, thanks for your help!
[08:10] <veritas_> Someone here must be able to help me out...
[08:10] <Sauron21> veritas_: ...just say what the problem is.....
[08:10] <dcraven> pussfeller: It uses grub by default. You could always make a backup of your /boot/grub/menu.lst file if you are afraid of it being overwritten.
[08:11] <veritas_> Craven, why won't my install.sh file run?
[08:11] <Sauron21> veritas_: you have to run the command ./install.sh   from a shell
[08:11] <pussfeller> dcraven, thanks
[08:11] <veritas_> What shell, Sauron?
[08:12] <dcraven> veritas_: Run it from a terminal like this "sudo ./install.sh"... Keep in mind though that I don't know what it does...
[08:12] <veritas_> if it's on the desktop what is the file extention?
[08:12] <dcraven> veritas_: and that also assumes that it is executable.. Otherwise "sudo sh ./install.sh" will work.
[08:12] <veritas_> I'm still learning how Linux is set up
[08:13] <dcraven> veritas_: To run it from your Desktop directory, you can do "sudo sh ~/Desktop/install.sh".
[08:13] <dcraven> Man gaim is noisy.. I hate it.
[08:14] <veritas_> what exactly does the sudo cmd do?
[08:14] <oasiao> noisy?
[08:14] <dcraven> veritas_: it makes you run the program with superuser (root) permissions.
[08:14] <dcraven> veritas_: type in your user's password when it asks.
[08:14] <veritas_> Even without inputing my root password?
[08:14] <veritas_> lol
[08:14] <veritas_> Right.
[08:15] <dcraven> oasiao: yeah.. windows pop up all the time.. it starts visible etc.
[08:15] <dcraven> oasiao: connection dialogs.. forever flashing on the screen.
[08:15] <dcraven> oasiao: I whine, but I'm to lazy to patch it.. Don't mind me :)
[08:16] <oasiao> hmm got a firewall up?, being noisy just go to tools prefences sounds, if ya dont want alot of people pm'ing you click prvacy, then accept only from people on your list
[08:16] <gingermark> Hiya, anyone know how to sort out programs that have come a foul of segmentation errors? I don't really understand what they are... :-(
[08:17] <dcraven> veritas_: If you are curious about the whole sudo thing, this is a good explanation --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:17] <dcraven> oasiao: I mean visually noisy, not audibly. I suppose I should have specified that :)
[08:17] <dcraven> oasiao: I can deal for now. I'm gonna replace it soon.
[08:18] <Zerboxx> Thanks for your help guys, I'll see you around
[08:18] <oasiao> u can set the prefences so it doesnt do that
[08:19] <dcraven> gingermark: segmentation faults are a bug in the program, not a config problem typically. it has to do with memory allocation and can really only be successfully investigated by coders i'm willing to bet.
[08:19] <veritas_> Terminal now says cannot locate 'pkginfo' file. Aborting.
[08:19] <gingermark> dcraven, thing is I have them with quite common programs - xmms, vlc, mplayer, and the frozen-bubble game
[08:20] <veritas_> when I sudo sh <file location>
[08:20] <gwildor> wow, 2 hours no activity....first time for everything
[08:20] <gingermark> dcraven, have tried reinstalling them, but it hasn't helped
[08:20] <gwildor> hahah, scroll bar
[08:20] <veritas_> I see the pkginfo file directly next to my install.sh
[08:20] <veritas_> What the hell is going wrong
[08:21] <dcraven> gingermark: That doesn't sound good at all.
[08:21] <zxc> I want to delete realplayers folder but it says access denied as the program is still in use. How do I stop it being in use?
[08:22] <gwildor> zxc killall realplayer????
[08:22] <bodaciousb> <--- is now officially running linux as primary os =P
[08:22] <veritas_> Craven? Why owuld it says Could not locate pckinfo when it's directly next to the install.sh file?
[08:22] <dcraven> zxc: "ps aux | grep -i real" might show you the process number if it is acutally still running.
[08:22] <gingermark> dcraven, I can't remember when the problems started - could been when upgrading to 5.04. Also, when I first started using Ubuntu I installed a few Debian packages - I now know this is a bad idea, although nothing seemed to go wrong at the time
[08:22] <dcraven> bodaciousb: congrats :)
[08:22] <veritas_> Linux has been a pain in the ass every step of the way, but I'm determined to get it working and understand it :P
[08:23] <bodaciousb> dcraven, thank you =)
[08:23] <veritas_> Craven? Why owuld it says Could not locate pckinfo when it's directly next to the install.sh file?
[08:23] <zxc> dcraven: 1000     14663  0.0  0.0   4144   716 pts/0    R+   20:23   0:00 grep -i real
[08:23] <zxc>  is what it says
[08:24] <metalsand> Can anyone help me out?
[08:24] <dcraven> veritas_: I don't know what the program you are running is, or what it does. I don't know where it looks for the file in question either. is there a README or something?
[08:25] <metalsand> No
[08:25] <metalsand> It's Linux graphical driver
[08:25] <metalsand> s
[08:25] <gwildor> ?
[08:25] <metalsand> So I can change out of 1024x768 and into my widescreen res of 1280x800
[08:25] <dcraven> zxc: what is the realplayer executable called?
[08:25] <metalsand> I have onboard Intel graphics, and that's the file I downloaded and extracted
[08:26] <dcraven> metalsand: which intel chip?
[08:26] <IcemanV9> dcraven, realplay
[08:26] <metalsand> Intel Extreme Graphics
[08:26] <metalsand> 915
[08:27] <dcraven> metalsand: Hmm.. I think there is an i915 kernel module.
[08:27] <metalsand> dell is the manufacture of my laptop, yet they didn't have the graphics drivers on their site so I went to intel.com
[08:27] <gingermark> dcraven, you seem to have your hands full right now :-D - but is there any reading you could recommend on the whole Segmentation error thing?
[08:27] <dcraven> metalsand: lsmod | grep 915
[08:28] <metalsand> there's a folder where the install.sh is located with the name kernal module
[08:28] <metalsand> s
[08:28] <metalsand> If that's any help
[08:28] <zxc> dcraven, I don't know :/
[08:29] <metalsand> i915 18552 1
[08:29] <metalsand> drm 65172 2 i915
[08:29] <metalsand> Is what terminal spits out.
[08:29] <dcraven> gingermark: The problem is that "segmentation fault" is not an Ubuntu, or even Linux specific error. I would start by cleaning up the libraries and things you have installed that are "unofficial" like the Debian packages. You can reinstall them later if that doesn't solve the problem. When you install the Ubuntu versions, make sure you only have official Ubuntu repos in your sources.list file.
[08:30] <dcraven> zxc: IcemanV9 says it is "realplay" and if that is the case, it is not running on your machine.
[08:30] <gingermark> dcraven, apologies for my "newbieness", but "cleaning up the libraries"?
[08:31] <dcraven> metalsand: how about "grep i810 /etc/X11/xorg.conf"?
[08:31] <dcraven> gingermark: that's okay :)
[08:31] <metalsand> grep = ?
[08:32] <dcraven> gingermark: I mean uninstalling the debian packages and installing the Ubuntu ones instead.
[08:32] <metalsand> Driver "i810"
[08:32] <dcraven> metalsand: grep "prints lines matching a pattern". See "man grep" for more info.
[08:33] <dcraven> metalsand: Looks to me like you are already using the correct drivers, no?
[08:33] <gingermark> dcraven, is there an easy way to establish which is which? I can't remember which debian packages were installed (they were ones that another program needed)
[08:33] <metalsand> well, I cannot change my resolution
[08:33] <dcraven> metalsand: Keep in mind that I don't have this card.
[08:33] <zxc> dcraven, it may be the firefox plugin then?
[08:34] <dcraven> metalsand: paste the entire contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in www.pastebin.com please. Let me peruse it for a minute.
[08:34] <dcraven> zxc: There is a firefox plugin? It could be that I suppose. Try killing firefox?
[08:35] <IcemanV9> zxc: is the realplayer installed on your machine? the command is realplay.
[08:35] <dcraven> metalsand: I bet your sync and refresh rates for your monitor were not detected properly.
[08:35] <zxc> yes it is
[08:35] <zxc> but it's not supported as I'm running amd64
[08:35] <dcraven> IcemanV9: Maybe you can help him better than me. I refuse to touch anything by RealMedia since the mid nineties.
[08:35] <dcraven> heh
[08:35] <zxc> and it's crashing firefox/epiphany constantly
[08:36] <zxc> so i need to unistall it
[08:36] <IcemanV9> dcraven & zxc: yes, there is realplayer plugin for FireFox
[08:36] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[08:36] <TheKar1> has anyone got starcraft working on crossover x?
[08:36] <sig> dcraven: zxc http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[08:36] <IcemanV9> zxc:  hmm.. were you able to see the error msg or it just simply crashes Firefox?
[08:37] <metalsand> craven, whee\re it the xorg.conf located?
[08:37] <IcemanV9> dcraven: ok
[08:37] <zxc> icemanv9, it simply crashes but I ran from terminal and it's realplayer crashes
[08:38] <metalsand> nm. Found it
[08:39] <dcraven> sig: I don't want it.. Ewww.. Thanks though :)
[08:40] <metalsand> k. It's posted craven
[08:40] <IcemanV9> zxc: so you narrowed it down to realplayer .. not Firefox .. what version? mine was the latest one - 10.0.4.750 (gold)
[08:40] <dcraven> metalsand: looking
[08:42] <zxc> IcemanV9, Realplayer doesn't work with Ubuntu for AMD64 at all.
[08:42] <metalsand> when I go to system --> preferences --> screen resolution the only option I have is 1024x768
[08:42] <metalsand> so, all of ubuntu is streched
[08:42] <dcraven> metalsand: That's definately the problem.. Have a look here, at the section entitled "Undetected Monitor Specs". The second method described there is probably your best bet. Ask if you have problems --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:43] <dcraven> metalsand: this is a laptop I assume?
[08:43] <metalsand> Correct
[08:43] <dcraven> metalsand: one of those widescreen suckers?
[08:43] <metalsand> Yes :D
[08:44] <ali4728> How can I recompile php with mysql? thnx
[08:44] <metalsand> 12 inch widescreen.... Just got this laptop from Dell
[08:44] <IcemanV9> zxc: if that's what you think it is, then it's too bad. it works flawlessly on my laptop. (checking it out via google to make sure it doesn't work on AMD64)
[08:44] <metalsand> It's awesome, I love it.
[08:44] <metalsand> Following the link, I'm sure I'll be chiming in for help in a sec :P
[08:44] <ali4728> How can I recompile php with mysql? thnx  Php doesnt recognise mysql!!
[08:44] <dcraven> metalsand: Okay.. What resolution is the screen capable of? According to your xorg.conf, 1024x768 is the highest it goes. You'll need to add a resolution there if you want to go higher.
[08:45] <zxc> Yeah it sucks as I need it for BBC radio but nothing I can do. But it's affecting my browsers so I need to unistall it but I can't >_<.
[08:45] <metalsand> the highest is 1280x800
[08:45] <sig> zxc: yes you can
[08:45] <fightingfortofu> how do you edit entrys in the applications menu?
[08:45] <dcraven> metalsand: well the link I gave you before will not do harm, but it won't fix your problem after all either. :)
[08:45] <sig> how did you install it?
[08:45] <sig> via the ubuntuguide.org howto?
[08:45] <thundrcleeze> Anyone else having a problem with firefox and a couple other programs suddenly taking on 100% load for little or no reason?
[08:46] <dcraven> metalsand: You need to add a resolution. Go to your post at pastebin for a second --> http://www.pastebin.com/277640
[08:46] <metalsand> there... Btw, what is a wiki.. seems like a reoccuring thing in the Linux community
[08:47] <IcemanV9> zxc: sig is right. i installed it via ubuntuguide.org. hope you did it the same.
[08:47] <dcraven> metalsand: on line 116, it should say "Modes   "1280x800" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480""
[08:47] <zxc> sig, I did it using the .bin
[08:47] <sig> do you still have the .bin file
[08:47] <metalsand> K. I can do that craven
[08:47] <zxc> does that mean it works for AMD64? As the forums say it doesn't
[08:47] <metalsand> but, fyi, when I go to screen resolution now
[08:47] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:47] <metalsand> the only otpion sis 1024x768
[08:48] <Choubaka> Now I'm running irssi 0.8.9...
[08:48] <metalsand> the samller stuff isn't even listed... Will that matter?
[08:48] <dcraven> metalsand: for your wiki question, see the ultimate wiki for the (and many other) answeres --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
[08:48] <sig> there should be a switch for that .bin to uninstall
[08:48] <zxc> hmm, it doesn't work now
[08:48] <sig> try: ./realplayerblah.bin --uninstall
[08:48] <Choubaka> and now I'm not. yay :p
[08:49] <dcraven> metalsand: Probably not, considering it is an LCD. You should really do the thing at the link I posted earlier too... Might save you a migraine or two if you have the proper refresh rates set :)
[08:49] <zxc> sig, how would I do it if the realplayer bin is in my home dir?
[08:49] <sig> do it there
[08:49] <dcraven> brb.. Gotta find some water.
[08:49] <sig> first I'd open synaptic and search for "realplayer"
[08:49] <sig> sometimes synaptic recognizes that stuff
[08:50] <sig> it it does, select it for uninstallation
[08:51] <zxc> what would my home dir be?
[08:51] <Ratty`> hi
[08:51] <sig>  /home/name
[08:51] <sig> name being your username
[08:51] <Ratty`> i'm trying to install ut2004, but getting this error even though i'm root: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[08:51] <Ratty`> any ideas why?
[08:51] <sig> sudo -s
[08:52] <Ratty`> i have to use sudo?
[08:52] <sig> try that
[08:52] <Ratty`> hmm, seems to be working
[08:52] <Ratty`> how is that different from just: su
[08:53] <sig> because by ubuntu default su is off
[08:53] <zxc> Bob@ubuntu:~$ /home/perminder RealPlayer10GOLD.bin --unistall
[08:53] <zxc> bash: /home/Bob: is a directory
[08:53] <tritium> Ratty`, see this for details: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[08:53] <Ratty`> i know, i gave root a password though
[08:54] <sig> zxc: just cd to it
[08:54] <sig> cd /home/perminder
[08:54] <sig> then do the ./blahblah --uninstall
[08:54] <sig> try that
[08:54] <zxc> ah k cool
[08:54] <sig> Ratty`: go to http://ubuntuguide.org it should have a howto on enabling su
[08:54] <sig> let me look
[08:55] <poningru> http://img245.echo.cx/img245/2917/firefoxfifty5zw.png
[08:55] <poningru> send it to your friends
[08:55] <Ratty`> welp, ta
[08:55] <poningru> your win32 friends
[08:55] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:55] <sig> hmm
[08:55] <Life_Less> w0w , 50 millions?
[08:55] <sig> he left to soon
[08:56] <poningru> I know email it to your friends
[08:56] <poningru> start a chain mail
[08:56] <tritium> sig, I even gave him the RootSudo wiki URL
[08:57] <sig> tritium: oh well
[08:57] <RobinLionheart> Is it safe to mount NTFS partitions as read/write in Hoary Hedgehog?
[08:57] <Fackamato> yeah
[08:57] <Fackamato> until you try to write to them
[08:57] <sig> RobinLionheart: there is another good howto on ubuntuguide.org for ntfs mount read/write
[08:57] <Fackamato> writing to an ntfs partition in linux is suicide, no matter how you do it
[08:58] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:58] <RobinLionheart> Then I should mount it with ro just to be safe.
[08:58] <IcemanV9> zxc:  RealPlayer10GOLD.bin??? i think that IS why you were having a problem. d/l realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin instead - follow the instruction @ http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[08:58] <sig> RobinLionheart: look at that url I just pasted
[08:59] <poningru> I had a question how do you get the live cd to be able to write to the hard disk?
[09:00] <RobinLionheart> I see. Okay.
[09:01] <dcraven> poningru: I'm not sure it can. See if "sudo fdisk -l" has your harddrives listed as devices.
[09:03] <Life_Less> fdisk requiers root access indeed
[09:03] <RobinLionheart> Ah, I see, the NTFS driver defaults to "ro" anyway
[09:04] <Life_Less> writing to NTFS is a bit dangerous
[09:04] <RobinLionheart> Hm, I have some files with non-Win-1252 filenames that get messed up in Nautilus
[09:04] <gmjr> and damn does that suck
[09:05] <RobinLionheart> It doesn't seem to handle Unicode filenames right.
[09:05] <metalsand> how can I edit xorg.conf without logging into root?
[09:06] <Life_Less> hmm
[09:06] <Life_Less> edit it's prommesions
[09:06] <gmjr> sudo gedit xorf.conf
[09:06] <Life_Less> sudo chmod +r /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:06] <metalsand> thanks
[09:06] <poningru> dcraven: for a live disc?
[09:06] <Life_Less> sudo chmod 777 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:06] <dcraven> metalsand: you can't.. That's the whole idea. Use sudo. But FIRST, make a backup of the file you have.
[09:06] <Life_Less> sorry
[09:06] <RobinLionheart> Oh wait, I need to set iocharset=utf8 it looks like
[09:06] <bcowan> there a way to tell apt to get gthumb from somewhere other than the cd?
[09:06] <dcraven> poningru: I dunno what that question means.
[09:06] <patrick> hello
[09:07] <dcraven> Life_Less: don't tell people to do stuff like that.. ahaha
[09:07] <metalsand> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.confg /etc/X11/xorg.config.backup
[09:07] <Life_Less> from the repositories. try manually
[09:07] <metalsand> ?
[09:07] <Life_Less> yeap
[09:07] <dcraven> metalsand: bingo
[09:07] <RobinLionheart> Or nls=utf8 I guess
[09:07] <hunger> How do I configure my wlan card so that it uses the proper key for the AP (one of several with different keys) used?
[09:07] <patrick> can neone see this?
[09:07] <Life_Less> but why you want to have write promeesion to it?
[09:07] <dcraven> patrick: nope
[09:07] <Life_Less> it's the whole idea of security
[09:07] <metalsand> cp = copypaste?
[09:07] <RobinLionheart> Yeah, that did it, now my Japanese and Esperanto filenames look right.
[09:07] <Life_Less> just use sudo gedit \ sudo nano \ sudo vim \ sudo whatever
[09:07] <patrick> well im thinking of installing ubuntu as main os and i need to know some stuff...
[09:07] <dcraven> metalsand: It just copies.
[09:08] <metalsand> o.
[09:08] <patrick> do you have to manually configure the video card manually?
[09:08] <dcraven> Life_Less: that's better ;P
[09:08] <Life_Less> =] 
[09:08] <patrick> or is it just choose resolution or is there a list of vid cards?
[09:08] <dcraven> patrick: sometimes, if it is not detected properly.
[09:08] <metalsand> Should I be awknowledged when I run the copy command?
[09:08] <patrick> how about a Asus A9200 SE
[09:09] <dcraven> patrick: it tries its best to autodetect what it can.
[09:09] <Life_Less> hmm it detected my ATI 9600PRO automaticly
[09:09] <patrick> hmm well can i set resolution to 1280x1024 without doing xorg-config?
[09:09] <Life_Less> use the ATI driverse
[09:09] <Life_Less> from their site
[09:09] <dcraven> metalsand: no, but "ls /etc/X11" should now show the original file and your new one.
[09:09] <metalsand> ls = ?
[09:09] <Life_Less> patrick -> preferneces - screen resulation
[09:09] <dcraven> metalsand: list
[09:09] <Life_Less> it doesn't work with FGLRX
[09:09] <metalsand> Perfect
[09:09] <Life_Less> haven't found another way
[09:10] <patrick> whats the main Dektop Enviroment?
[09:10] <metalsand> There it is.
[09:10] <metalsand> Thank you SOOOOO so much for helping me thus far, Craven
[09:10] <gmjr> patrick, gnome
[09:10] <metalsand> Learning the commands one by one is something tedious, but I gotta' do it :P
[09:10] <Life_Less> =] 
[09:10] <patrick> is it really hard to install?
[09:10] <dcraven> metalsand: when you want to know what a command does, typically "man whatevercommand" will explain it to you. To knwo what the "man" command does for example, type "man man".
[09:10] <Life_Less> google for basic UNIX commands
[09:10] <gmjr> ubuntu?
[09:10] <metalsand> man = manaul?
[09:11] <metalsand> manual*
[09:11] <Life_Less> yep
[09:11] <dcraven> metalsand: "man man" dude.
[09:11] <jedediah> metalsand, You should be warned that most 'man pages' really suck.
[09:11] <_4strO> lol
[09:11] <patrick> and would you reccomend disabling sudo?
[09:11] <metalsand> rofl.
[09:11] <Life_Less> or for shorter help and usage command --help
[09:11] <gmjr> patrick, no
[09:11] <patrick> why not?
[09:11] <Lathiat> Anyone know off-hand what magic i would require in /etc/fstab to swapon a swapfile during boot
[09:11] <Life_Less> those man pages are too long `\
[09:11] <gmjr> thats your main way of access root commands
[09:11] <metalsand> Sweet.
[09:11] <dcraven> jedediah: terse maybe, but suck?
[09:11] <patrick> someone said it was really insecure because its easy to exploit
[09:11] <jedediah> dcraven, good point./
[09:11] <Ironfrost> partick - because you wouldn't be able to install anything
[09:11] <gmjr> because the root account is disabled
[09:12] <dcraven> Life_Less: you can search man pages for specific keywords.
[09:12] <Life_Less> yeah, SUDO is more secure
[09:12] <metalsand> what are the -m -k -I commands?
[09:12] <gmjr> I think sudo is a local thing though
[09:12] <patrick> oh wierd....ok well this might be all i need
[09:12] <metalsand> What are the names of those...
[09:12] <patrick> also what version of X.Org/Xfree does it use?
[09:12] <dcraven> man pages are a very good resource once you get used to the tersness.. Difficult to handle initially I'll admit.
[09:12] <Life_Less> patrick - xdpyinfo
[09:12] <dcraven> metalsand: huh? those aren't commands.
[09:13] <Life_Less> you can check X.org version
[09:13] <dcraven> metalsand: those look like
[09:13] <metalsand> Settings...
[09:13] <dcraven> metalsand: command line switches.
[09:13] <metalsand> -i to ignore case, -I to match case
[09:13] <metalsand> How do I check which command line switches are running, and how do I change them?
[09:13] <dcraven> metalsand: they alter the way commands operate.. just plain "ls" shows a list of file and directory names, but "ls -l" shows more info for example.
[09:14] <metalsand> Makes sense.
[09:14] <patrick> but you see there is a problem with using the ati drivers because its an Asus card, just an ati vpu, windows ati drivers didnt work but is it different with the linux drivers?
[09:14] <dcraven> metalsand: when you run a command like "ls" or "cp", you get the prompt when they are completed. When you can type again, they are no longer running.
[09:14] <Hoxzer> How do I run bittornado?
[09:15] <metalsand> Hrm.
[09:15] <metalsand> So if I wanted man to ignore case
[09:15] <metalsand> I'd man -i
[09:15] <metalsand> in terminal?
[09:15] <Life_Less> nope.
[09:15] <metalsand> Or would I have to man -i <insert lookup word> everytime
[09:15] <metalsand> I wanted to search
[09:15] <Life_Less> man command
[09:16] <Life_Less> -i is a parameter
[09:16] <dcraven> metalsand: man doesn't do anything that can be case sensitive.. It just displays manual pages. Switches differ from command to command, and in some cases they don't apply, like the case you are talking about.
[09:16] <patrick> how do i download through terminal?
[09:16] <Hoxzer> can i run bittornado in visual mode?
[09:16] <patrick> i forgot lol
[09:16] <dcraven> patrick: wget?
[09:16] <gmjr> wget
[09:16] <metalsand> In man man it shows those parameters :P
[09:16] <ThomasWinwood> I noticed when I was preparing to install Ubuntu they recommended installing the nVidia drivers if you have an nVidia card. I do, but I want to know what advantage they bring if I install them? The card works fine without them.
[09:16] <hunger> How can I set several WLAN settings and have the system pick the one appropriate for my current location?
[09:16] <metalsand> even though it doesn't even search case... Hrm
[09:17] <Life_Less> ThomasWinwood - nvidia drivers are good for games. more FPS and hardware accelartion
[09:17] <Hoxzer> what is the best DVD player for linux?
[09:17] <hunger> ThomasWinwood: The non-nvidia drivers are 2D only.
[09:17] <dcraven> metalsand: i see.. That means that "man -i MAN" will find the same as "man -i MaN" or "man -i "maN".
[09:17] <patrick> thnks
[09:17] <dcraven> metalsand: without the -i though, "man MAn" will find nothing.
[09:17] <metalsand> RIght. That's what I was assuming
[09:17] <dcraven> metalsand: i think..
[09:17] <metalsand> Heh
[09:17] <] BreliC[> Hoxzer, you can use gnome-btdownload... an easy way to do it is from the command line, type 'gnome-btdownload http://url.to.torrent/here'
[09:18] <metalsand> After I open man man
[09:18] <patrick> hey why is it only 1 cd?
[09:18] <metalsand> How do I return to the regular terminal
[09:18] <metalsand> with username@ubuntu
[09:18] <Life_Less> azureus is also a good client
[09:18] <dcraven> metalsand: try pressing q.
[09:18] <Hoxzer> BreliC: Gnome-btdownload has less settings :<
[09:18] <metalsand> Thanks ;)
[09:18] <] BreliC[> Hoxzer, well, you can download Azureus if you want
[09:18] <Hoxzer> hmmm but anyway its not a problem if I can't run it in visual It could be only nicer :)
[09:18] <] BreliC[> Hoxzer, it's a java client
[09:19] <metalsand> When I open xorg.conf with nano
[09:19] <metalsand> How do I edit?
[09:19] <Life_Less> very simpale
[09:19] <Life_Less> just write into it
[09:19] <Life_Less> arroes
[09:19] <Life_Less> arrows*
[09:19] <dcraven> metalsand: arrow keys and keyboard letters?
[09:19] <] BreliC[> Hoxzer, baah, who needs nice when you're downloading?  More gui = more resources
[09:19] <Hoxzer> how do I reset my keyboard couse seems like Gnome reads Y as Z and Z as Y :/
[09:19] <Life_Less> move between line
[09:19] <Life_Less> control + O saves
[09:19] <Life_Less> WTF :\
[09:19] <metalsand> Control + O saves, not Ctrl + S?
[09:19] <Life_Less> O
[09:19] <Life_Less> you have the keys down
[09:19] <patrick> Ctrl + O should open, cool!
[09:19] <Life_Less> the ^ means control +
[09:20] <patrick> well im gonna go ill log back in if i gots any questions ;)
[09:20] <patrick> thnks for help guys
[09:20] <Life_Less> +R reads
[09:20] <dcraven> metalsand: you could use gedit too.. you might be more comfortable with it.
[09:20] <metalsand> Oh.... I was curious what all the ^G stuff meant
[09:20] <] BreliC[> man, that 'sed' command is ugly!
[09:20] <dcraven> metalsand: whatever you do, don't use vim... hehe
[09:20] <Hoxzer> so how do I reset my keyboard ? ://
[09:20] <] BreliC[> i wrote a script to check my ip periodically, and email and sms it to me if it changes... anyway, using sed to strip html codes and isolate strings is no picnic
[09:21] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: useful as hell though
[09:21] <] BreliC[> dcraven, i know.. i'm just not very proficient with it yet
[09:21] <ThomasWinwood> Hoxzer: Sounds like your keyboard is set up for German QWERTZ.
[09:21] <ThomasWinwood> Hoxzer: System > Preferences > Keyboard.
[09:22] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: In your spare time, have a look at an online regex tutorial. It'll be infinitely useful knowledge if you do things like what you just did often.
[09:22] <] BreliC[> dcraven, oh yeah?  Do you have a particular site in mind?
[09:23] <metalsand> Arg
[09:23] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: hmm... not really.. There are probably millions of them. I have a book.
[09:23] <metalsand> So I finally edited the xorg.conf with my resolution under modes
[09:23] <metalsand> Yet it's still not listed in Screen Resolution Preferences
[09:23] <] BreliC[> dcraven, ok, thanks.. looking it up now
[09:24] <Levander> If I've got some process that is using the network periodically, according to the system monitor gnome applet, how would I go about finding this process to kill it?
[09:24] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: Something like this will be helpful too.. Not to learn, but for reference after you get the idea of how to use them --> http://gmckinney.info/resources/regex.pdf
[09:24] <Life_Less> I dont think it possibile
[09:25] <Life_Less> try installing iptraf
[09:25] <dcraven> metalsand: you will have to reload X by logging out/in again.
[09:25] <Life_Less> but Im not sure it is showing programs
[09:25] <Life_Less> netstat
[09:25] <metalsand> X = Xwindows Display module, right?
[09:25] <] BreliC[> dcraven, nice!  Thanks, very useful
[09:26] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: Regular expressions apply everywhere in Linuxland :) Very powerful and useful stuff.
[09:27] <thully> hi - I'm on dialup and have really awful phone lines (I connect at like 19.2) and I'm having trouble with connection attempts (with pon) timing out.  How do you get rid of the timeout for pon?
[09:27] <] BreliC[> indeed!  I've only been using linux for about 2 years now, and i'm still learning every day
[09:27] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: Join the club :)
[09:27] <Levander> Life_Less: I'm looking at iptraf and netstat, thanks
[09:27] <metalsand> X = Xwindows Display module, right?
[09:27] <Lathiat> thully: Unfortunately, if it times out it means it couldn't actually make a connection
[09:28] <Lathiat> thully: if you know its brokena nd want to speed it up and try again, you can ru "poff -a" then "killall -9 pppd" and try again, rather than waiting for it
[09:28] <thully> No - the modem is making noises and then they just suddenly stop
[09:28] <dcraven> metalsand: Yeah it's a server that provides the pretty graphics.
[09:28] <Lathiat> thully: Most modems stop making noises after the first stage
[09:28] <thully> It sounds like it's about to connect... sure seems like a 30 or 60sec timeout to me
[09:28] <metalsand> Righ. Neat, and I'm guessing it's in version 11?
[09:28] <thully> It isn't out of the first stage when it is doing this
[09:28] <Lathiat> thully: right, you could just forcefully retry like i said
[09:29] <dcraven> metalsand: "man x"  hahaha
[09:29] <metalsand> sorry :(
[09:29] <dcraven> lol
[09:29] <dcraven> metalsand: I'm just kidding, but there *is* a manual page for it :)
[09:29] <thully> I do that, but this does not happen on Windows (I just get awful connections....,)
[09:29] <Life_Less> every day you learn something new I guess =| you will never know everything
[09:29] <mateo> Hi
[09:29] <Life_Less> kinda sad
[09:30] <mateo> what must I download to have mp3 support in ubuntu ?
[09:30] <metalsand> I know. I need to get in the habit of relying on myself for help, not bothing you people :P
[09:30] <dcraven> metalsand: it'll come in time
[09:30] <thully> mateo: gstreamer-mad for Rhythmbox or amaroK
[09:30] <metalsand> To logout do I simply exit
[09:30] <thully> gstreamer0.8-mad, that it
[09:30] <metalsand> or is there something more advanced...
[09:30] <flex_> if I set up a chroot with amd64 hoary and install the 32 bit firefox how do 2 copies with the same name able to be in the same dir
[09:30] <metalsand> Or do I need to restart \o/
[09:30] <dcraven> metalsand: System --> Logout. Not everything is complicated :)
[09:30] <busfahrer> mateo, you need the universe repository to get gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:30] <thully> from universe - gstreamer0.8-lame from marillat for ripping
[09:30] <dcraven> metalsand: no restart necessary.
[09:31] <mateo> ok, thanks
[09:31] <mateo> and totem gstreamer will be able to play mp3 ?
[09:31] <thully> yes
[09:32] <thully> I tend not to have these modem issues with KPPP (but as I'm using GNOME now, I really don't want to use kppp.....)
[09:32] <Hoxzer> What  DVD player for linux do you reccomend?
[09:32] <thully> I tried the GNOME modem setup, but it is broken in Hoary
[09:32] <Lathiat> thully: you may find forcing the speed down may help
[09:32] <mateo> and to play avi files ?
[09:32] <Lathiat> (if your not already)
[09:32] <thully> Hoxzer: xine - the best
[09:33] <Hoxzer> Xine
[09:33] <bur[n] er> although it's not great for using subtitles
[09:33] <veritas> dcraven: still no options :(
[09:33] <bur[n] er> vlc works better for that :)
[09:33] <Hoxzer> is it in apt-get or do I need to download it from somewhere?
[09:33] <Lathiat> thully: i have an idea
[09:33] <Lathiat> thully: in /etc/ppp/options there is a 'pap-timeout- option
[09:33] <Lathiat> thully: it *might* help
[09:33] <Lathiat> thully: no promises
[09:33] <veritas> Screen res is still only 1024x768
[09:33] <bur[n] er> Hoxzer: ubuntuguide.org look dvd
[09:33] <Lathiat> thully: set it to say 20 minimum tho
[09:34] <dcraven> veritas: next step is setting the refresh and sync rates as per that wiki page.
[09:34] <RobinLionheart> mateo: If you want to play DivX movies, grab gstream0.8-ffmpeg too.
[09:34] <veritas> Right.
[09:34] <thully> OK - I will try that - hopefully I can get this nasty dial-up to connect reliably...
[09:34] <bur[n] er> divx just play for me without ffmpeg
[09:34] <Lathiat> thully: I feel your pain
[09:34] <dcraven> veritas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:34] <bur[n] er> using totem-xine ;)
[09:35] <Lathiat> thully: i used to be on dialup for years
[09:35] <veritas> Does linux not take advantage of centrino?
[09:35] <bur[n] er> veritas: how so?
[09:35] <veritas> it seems my battery is dieing much much faster than in Windows XP Pro
[09:35] <Lathiat> thully: and sometimes with horrid phone lines that wouldnt sit on 9600
[09:35] <bur[n] er> veritas: it does the processor scaling and wireless for me, what else is there to it?
[09:35] <Lathiat> thully: only got dsl here a bit over 6months ago, most of my friends had had it for like 1-3 years, heh
[09:35] <RobinLionheart> burner: I had to get ffmpeg to get some of my .avis to play
[09:35] <mateo> RobinLionheart, fine, thanks
[09:35] <thully> mine have been ranging from 14.4-21.6 as of late
[09:35] <dcraven> veritas: I'd do the second method described in the "Undetected Monitor Specs" section now that you are an expert at editing the xorg.conf file.
[09:35] <thully> I use wi-fi somewhere else when I can...
[09:35] <thully> (I have a laptop)
[09:35] <veritas> dcraven: I'll get right on it :P
[09:36] <mateo> wmv and mov videos are more difficult right ?
[09:36] <veritas> bur[n] er: I dunno... Maybe I'm just imagining things :P
[09:36] <Life_Less> mateo - yes
[09:36] <karljp> if you want to stick with hoary, is the only way to get new packages to bulid form source yourself?
[09:36] <karljp> I don't want to go to breezy love and new libc stuff,
[09:36] <veritas> It seemed like I haven't been in Ubuntu for 2 and a half hours, perhaps time flies when you're learning how edit xorg.conf :P
[09:36] <Hoxzer> btw is there anyway how I can connect my UMTS phone to the linux?
[09:36] <Life_Less> mov is a quick time format
[09:36] <Hoxzer> for as modem
[09:37] <RobinLionheart> I don't know how to get Totem to play QuickTime
[09:37] <thully> The one thing I think Ubuntu should add that would really help dial-up users - delta-based updates (so that I don't have to download all of OpenOffice to fix one small issue)
[09:37] <mateo> totem-gstreamer can play DVD as well ?
[09:37] <Life_Less> totem-xine can
[09:37] <Life_Less> if you have codecs for it
[09:37] <ali4728> Help I am trying to recompile my php, and I get this message "E: Couldn't find package php4-mysql" how can install the correct version of PHP??
[09:37] <Life_Less> you can download some from mplayer site
[09:38] <dcraven> karljp: Aside from security updates, I don't think any changes will be made to the repositories.
[09:38] <bur[n] er> totem-xine can with mplayer codecs??? that sounds a bit bass-ackwards Life_Less
[09:38] <dcraven> karljp: I could be wrong though.
[09:38] <karljp> dcraven: so it's source or someone else's handmade .debs right?
[09:38] <ali4728> any help on this channel???
[09:38] <mateo> I thinks the multimedia in linux is a adventure xD
[09:38] <mateo> think
[09:39] <Hoxzer> hmm, what VLC mediaplayer do I download there is 3 linux versions :/
[09:39] <karljp> linux is a damn adventure mateo :)
[09:39] <Hoxzer> wich is best for ubuntu?
[09:39] <dcraven> karljp: Yeah. Soon enough, if not already, there will be a Hoary backports project though no doubt :)
[09:39] <bur[n] er> Hoxzer: gvlc ?
[09:39] <bur[n] er> ali4728: nope
[09:39] <bur[n] er> ;)
[09:39] <ali4728> go to hell
[09:39] <bur[n] er> ooh... backports has java now :)
[09:40] <Life_Less> bur[n] er - mplayer codecs worked in totem for me
[09:40] <dcraven> mateo: Multimedia works fine, but thanks to licensing it all needs to be done manually.
[09:40] <Life_Less> it seachers then in the same path
[09:40] <mateo> dcraven, I know
[09:40] <Life_Less> beside, those are codecs
[09:40] <RobinLionheart> I can play most of my audio files and video files now. Still can't play the MIDIs and QTs, but 90% of it goes ok
[09:40] <Life_Less> they should be global
[09:40] <Life_Less> or somethinw
[09:40] <Life_Less> '*
[09:40] <bur[n] er> u can't play midi's??
[09:41] <bur[n] er> try with xmms?
[09:43] <RobinLionheart> Ah, I was trying with Rhythmbox
[09:43] <mateo> the last time I used Rhytmbox it really sucks
[09:43] <decon> RobinLionheart,  try out beep media player :) its imo better with gnome than xmms :D
[09:44] <Life_Less> yeah, xmms still uses GTK1
[09:45] <Life_Less> but it is good =\
[09:45] <decon> xmms is TOTALY out of date
[09:46] <superted> like
[09:46] <superted> TOTALY
[09:46] <dcraven> Gag me with a spoon!
[09:47] <] BreliC[> lol
[09:47] <] BreliC[> timidity should play midi files
[09:49] <veritas> brb.
[09:49] <MightyF> haha, the root password thing was freakin me out, good thing i looked at the faq
[09:50] <MightyF> NigelS, haha, i didn't remember setting it, so i figured there was some trick
[09:50] <RobinLionheart> Hm, is there an option to change the subtitle side in Totem?
[09:50] <NigelS> quite a few people join here and ask what their root password is, as the installer didn't ask for one :)
[09:51] <RobinLionheart> size
[09:51] <MightyF> heh, I bet
[09:51] <Burgundavia> MightyF, that and how to set up ati drivers
[09:51] <MightyF> Burgundavia, ouch, yeah, I have nvidia, thankfully
[09:51] <Detox> question about network connection... just installed ver 5.04,, says nic card is active and configured, but I cannot connect to www  I know my router is good and the cable is good.  what am i missing?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> MightyF, any binary drivers, but the ati ones are worse
[09:52] <MightyF> Detox, DNS servers?
[09:52] <Lathiat> Detox: try deactivate/activatae, might have botched the dhcp
[09:52] <MightyF> Burgundavia, huh?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> MightyF, binary drivers, any non-free drivers
[09:53] <MightyF> Detox, i would check your routing table to make sure you have a gateway
[09:53] <Detox> dsl connection  using microsoft router
[09:53] <Detox> other machines work fine
[09:53] <MightyF> Burgundavia, oh, yeah, setting them up isn't that hard really, but i suppose for someone who doesn't know linux it could be very difficult
[09:53] <Detox> using LN and win xp
[09:53] <MightyF> Burgundavia, I just switched to Ubuntu, is it more difficult with it?
[09:53] <Detox> checked how to check settings on help site,, appears to be right
[09:54] <dcraven> Detox: dhcp?
[09:54] <veritas> Woo. Progress was made
[09:54] <Detox> yes
[09:54] <Burgundavia> MightyF, generally X setup is a little more difficult that with windows. That should be changing for the next release though
[09:54] <Detox> not static
[09:54] <veritas> I now have the other LOWER resolutions
[09:54] <dcraven> Detox: does "sudo dhclient eth0
[09:54] <NigelS> Detox: can you ping IP addresses from this machine?
[09:54] <veritas> but not the one I need :P
[09:54] <Detox> one moment
[09:54] <NigelS> Detox: e.g. can you ping 216.239.39.99
[09:54] <veritas> dcraven: should I edit the other resolution listings in xorg.conf?
[09:54] <NigelS> (google.com)
[09:54] <dcraven> oops.. Detox does "sudo dhclient eth0" get an IP?
[09:55] <Detox> is slow machine   (emachine E-Tower 600is)
[09:55] <MightyF> Burgundavia, heh, no I mean I switched from Fedora.  Is it different from other Linux distros, or should I expect the same installation?
[09:55] <Detox> still rebooting
[09:55] <bodaciousb> hey guys, im installing ut 2003, its 3 cds...  the installer is telling me to change cd's but the cdrom wont open
[09:55] <Burgundavia> MightyF, very much the same
[09:55] <MightyF> Burgundavia, well, thats good news! :)
[09:55] <Detox> only has 1 meg onboard video
[09:56] <MightyF> Detox, hahahahahahahahahahaha
[09:56] <Detox> ya laugh if you will
[09:56] <dcraven> veritas: have a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for errors. Searching for your desired resolution "1280..whatever" might quicken the search.
[09:56] <Burgundavia> MightyF, they are working on a hardware database, so that cards will work ootb with 3d support
[09:56] <flex_> bodaciousb: umount wont work because the installer is in the directory, copy everything to your harddrive and install from that
[09:56] <NigelS> Detox: the commands to use are "ifconfig" so if you type ifconfig eth0 it'll tell you the IP address it got from DHCP, if it got one at all.  if it doesn't have one try, sudo ifdown eth0;sudo ifup eth0 and see what it tries to do.  Also, what is the nic?
[09:56] <MightyF> Burgundavia, oooh, is that with the new version, Breezy?
[09:56] <bodaciousb> Flex_: thanks
[09:57] <MightyF> Detox, try: sudo route
[09:57] <Burgundavia> MightyF, yes. The hardware database is in hoary though. Check out applications-->system tools-->ubuntu hardware database
[09:57] <MightyF> Detox, and make sure you have your gateway set up
[09:57] <TechLord> what's the best media player for gnome
[09:57] <Detox> still booting
[09:57] <dcraven> Okay, I'm outta here.. bbl
[09:58] <gingermark> dcraven, you still about?
[09:58] <dcraven> Doh!
[09:58] <gingermark> haha
[09:58] <gingermark> no worries
[09:58] <gingermark> I'll ask someone else
[09:58] <Detox> man is this a dog of a macine
[09:58] <dcraven> gingermark: ask the channel.
[09:58] <veritas> (II) I810(0): PanelID returned panel resolution : 1280x800
[09:58] <veritas> (II) I810(0): VESA VBE DDC supported
[09:58] <veritas> Is there anything errored about that?
[09:59] <N3OP5YcH-e> .
[09:59] <dcraven> veritas: No. Errors begin with "(EE)". I'm really gone now...
[09:59] <MightyF> Burgundavia, I'm sending in my data now
[09:59] <veritas> K. I think there's more. I'll keep looking
[09:59] <veritas> I'm still adapting to nano
[09:59] <dcraven> veritas: warnings might be useful too.. They start with "(WW)".
[09:59] <veritas> Is there a keystroke that opens terminal?
[10:00] <MightyF> Burgundavia, so do I have to take this database into account when installing nVidia drivers?
[10:00] <transgress> to play dvd's the only thing i should get from marillat is libdvdcss2 right?
[10:00] <Lathiat> veritas: no but you can set one in system->preferences-Keyboard shortcuts
[10:00] <Lathiat> transgress: yes
[10:00] <veritas> Ah. Neat
[10:00] <transgress> then drop that repo and get stuff from the normal ones?
[10:00] <Lathiat> transgress: sure
[10:01] <gingermark> Ok, so it looks like I installed a debian version of libidn11 when I REALLY didn't know what I was doing, trying to force the version back to hoary one, and Synaptic is telling me I'll have to uninstall A LOT of stuff, such as gnome-baker, kubuntu-desktop, openoffic, ubuntu-desktop plus others. Seems like a BAD idea....
[10:01] <transgress> well last time i tried this i ended up letting some stuff update from marillat and it seemed to cause problems so eh yeah
[10:01] <transgress> just making sure
[10:01] <Burgundavia> MightyF, the database is for the devs, so they can figure out what cards are safe to activate the drivers on
[10:01] <Detox> ok,,, can see other machines on network
[10:01] <Lathiat> gingermark: are you trying to do that by installing it, to reinstall it?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> MightyF, it is merely an aid for development, nothing more
[10:01] <Lathiat> gingermark: if you use the command line, you can apt-cache policy <package> to see the versions, then apt-get install package=version to install a specific version, then it shoudl work ok
[10:02] <transgress> gingermark: try dropping the repo you had it in, then installing the one you want, it should remove the other one for you
[10:02] <NigelS> gingermark: your best bet is to get the ubuntu .deb and dpkg -i it, then see if it still wants to remove stuff to "fix" your system
[10:02] <Lathiat> transgress, NigelS: no need to do taht, apt will let you specify a version (synaptic doesn't)
[10:02] <MightyF> Burgundavia, heh, no rpm compatibility i take it.  so i have to compile mplayer from source
[10:02] <transgress> Lathiat: ah yes true
[10:02] <Lathiat> MightyF: No need to compile mplaye rfrom source
[10:02] <transgress> ah the MightyF... how are you?
[10:02] <Lathiat> MightyF: muiltiverse has a version, and you can get some other versions (i think wwith more codec support) from the marillat archives
[10:02] <Burgundavia> MightyF, the database doesn't have anything to do with applications.
[10:02] <EvilAl> What TV cards can I get that'll work right off with Ubuntu? :-\
[10:02] <MightyF> trans_err, I'm fine, hows it goin! :)
[10:03] <veritas> (WW) I810(0): config file hsync range 30-90kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.
[10:03] <veritas> (WW) I810(0): config file vrefresh range 50-160Hz not within DDC vrefresh ranges.
[10:03] <veritas> (II) I810(0): Generic Monitor: Using hsync range of 30.00-90.00 kHz
[10:03] <veritas> (II) I810(0): Generic Monitor: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-160.00 Hz
[10:03] <veritas> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)
[10:03] <Lathiat> EvilAl: bt878 based cards are generally well supported
[10:03] <MightyF> Lathiat, I can add all the codecs myself, I just need the player
[10:03] <Lathiat> EvilAl: google should know what linux supports
[10:03] <MightyF> Lathiat, whats the address to multiverse?
[10:03] <gingermark> Lathiat, NigeIS: basically I developed segmentation faults in some common programs, and remembered installing some debian packages when I started using Ubuntu, so I was trying to revert to Ubuntu packages in order to fix the problems
[10:03] <EvilAl> Isn't WinTV one of those
[10:03] <transgress> veritas: 15.4 widescreen?
[10:03] <NigelS> Lathiat: I read his problem differently, I thought he was saying that it was wanting to nuke his local install as he tried to do that
[10:03] <Lathiat> NigelS: ah right
[10:03] <veritas> 12.1
[10:03] <veritas> I think.
[10:04] <Lathiat> MightyF: ermm, see in /etc/apt/sources.list, find the line with universe listed, add multiverse after it (or use synaptic)
[10:04] <EvilAl> OK I'll keep looking.
[10:04] <MightyF> Does it normally take a long time to send your hardware data?
[10:04] <veritas> transgress: do you see my error?
[10:04] <Lathiat> evane: if you actually have a card already, google might know if i can be made to work
[10:04] <NigelS> gingermark: it happens :) apt-getting the package version fix it?
[10:04] <Burgundavia> MightyF, no
[10:04] <Lathiat> MightyF: it takes a little while though
[10:04] <MightyF> Burgundavia, hmmmm
[10:04] <Lathiat> MightyF: 30s+
[10:04] <gingermark> NigeIS, am a bit of a newbie
[10:04] <MightyF> been longer than 30s
[10:05] <gingermark> trying to figure out what to do still
[10:05] <Lathiat> MightyF: give it a bit more
[10:05] <Lathiat> MightyF: otherwise i guess it broke
[10:05] <transgress> veritas: that's why i asked what it was on\
[10:05] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to run synaptic to install from a downloaded .deb file like from a command line?
[10:05] <veritas> I don't know :(
[10:05] <MightyF> Lathiat, yeah, probably broken
[10:06] <veritas> The resolution option of 1280x800 is missing from my list
[10:06] <veritas> Which is the resolution I need...
[10:06] <Burgundavia> MightyF, it is very beta software
[10:06] <McQuaid> Hello, I was about to install, and I noticed it seems to want to force me to format my existing swap file, instead of just using it
[10:06] <MightyF> Uncomment this!? # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:06] <NigelS> gingermark: follow Lathiat's suggestion, hopefully it won't then want to remove stuff.
[10:06] <Lathiat> veritas: you might need a mode line, dig in bugzilla
[10:06] <MightyF> Burgundavia, mmmkay
[10:06] <Lathiat> MightyF: yes, and add multiverse onto the end of it
[10:06] <Lathiat> MightyF: or, just use synaptic
[10:06] <McQuaid> i already have a part ready for ubuntu and usually just use the existing swap when checking out other distros
[10:06] <Lathiat> MightyF: and go repostiroes -> add and click universe and multiverse
[10:07] <McQuaid> it's just that i've checked out quite a few distros and prefer to avoid formating/partitioning when i can
[10:07] <Lathiat> yeh that works fine
[10:07] <McQuaid> does it just format it or does it 'repartition' the existing swap?
[10:07] <McQuaid> I guess I want to know if parted comes into play when using an existing swap
[10:07] <MightyF> Lathiat, there isn't a universe and multiverse able to be selected
[10:08] <veritas> Lathiat: do you want me to download bugzilla? I'm confused
[10:08] <Lathiat> MightyF: your running hoary right?
[10:08] <Lathiat> veritas: nono, sorry
[10:08] <Lathiat> veritas: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ <-- bug tracking system
[10:08] <Lathiat> veritas: search for 1280x800, might be a bug report
[10:08] <MightyF> Lathiat, yeah, I think I need to uncomment it in the apt source.list before it will recognize it
[10:08] <Lathiat> MightyF: nah you dont
[10:08] <Lathiat> MightyF: you go
[10:08] <Lathiat> simonf: settings->repostiories
[10:08] <Detox> ok folks... must needed to be jump-started
[10:08] <Lathiat> simonf: sorry
[10:08] <Detox> am online now
[10:08] <Lathiat> MightyF: what i said to simon f
[10:08] <RageMax> is there a new unstable tree now?
[10:08] <Lathiat> MightyF: then hit add
[10:09] <Detox> thanks for the help
[10:09] <Lathiat> and then click on universe and multiverse
[10:09] <RageMax> there haven't been many updates in hoary
[10:09] <Lathiat> RageMax: yes but you don't want to use it, it is severely broken at the moment.
[10:09] <RageMax> ok
[10:09] <Burgundavia> RageMax, yes, but not recommended
[10:09] <MightyF> Lathiat, ahhh, got it
[10:09] <Lathiat> RageMax: among other things, evolution and mono are broken
[10:09] <Burgundavia> RageMax, in about mid may is when I plan to jump
[10:09] <Lathiat> RageMax: so, bad idea in general :)
[10:09] <Detox> but,, i will need to get a pci video card for more vid mem and increase ram to more than 64 meg
[10:09] <veritas> Lathiat, no bugs found :(
[10:09] <MightyF> Lathiat, thanks man :)
[10:09] <Detox> this drags like an anchor running through mud
[10:09] <Lathiat> veritas: is this a laptop?
[10:09] <Lathiat> veritas: what laptop?
[10:09] <veritas> YEs
[10:09] <veritas> Dell 700m
[10:10] <Lathiat> veritas: thought so
[10:10] <Lathiat> veritas: that should have worked
[10:10] <gingermark> NigeIs, Lathiat: Ok, tried Lathiat's suggestion, but apt-get still wanted to remove all the packages
[10:10] <Lathiat> veritas: let me have a look
[10:10] <veritas> ahhahaha, how would you be able to know that?
[10:10] <Lathiat> gingermark: ummm, weird
[10:10] <Lathiat> gingermark: you didnt try to remove it first right?
[10:10] <lotusleaf> When does the next batch of Ubuntu CDs ship?
[10:10] <mikerobi> anyone notice missing modules from the python-2.4 package?
[10:10] <MightyF> Lathiat, this may sound silly, but what does the page with a star icon mean for the packages in synaptic?
[10:10] <Lathiat> veritas: because its the most common laptop with that resolution and i was ging to buy one a while back
[10:10] <Lathiat> MightyF: installed i think
[10:10] <veritas> Ah.
[10:10] <veritas> Right.
[10:11] <MightyF> Lathiat, oh, nope, just found icon legend
[10:11] <MightyF> Lathiat, nvm
[10:11] <gingermark> lathiat, I followed your instructions
[10:11] <Lathiat> gingermark: so you just went apt-get install <package>=<version> ?
[10:11] <gingermark> yes
[10:11] <Lathiat> hmm
[10:11] <Lathiat> thank sucks
[10:11] <Lathiat> time to reinstall? :)
[10:11] <Thorrn4> I was wondering, where is the RECYCLE BIN located?
[10:11] <veritas> Lathiat: So what's my next step? :x
[10:11] <NigelS> gingermark: I thought that might happen, apt-get wants to balance the system as you remove the lib.  You will prob need to use dpkg and maybe force it in order to get the ubuntu library version installed. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libi/libidn/libidn11_0.5.2-3_i386.deb <-- e.g. download that and try manually dpkg -i it.
[10:11] <] BreliC[> on the lower right taskbar, ThomasWinwood
[10:11] <Lathiat> Thorrn4: its called the Trash
[10:12] <Lathiat> Thorrn4: and you can find an icon for it in the bottom right of your screen
[10:12] <] BreliC[> uh, Thorrn4
[10:12] <Lathiat> Thorrn4: looks like a rubbish bin
[10:12] <Lathiat> veritas: hang on
[10:12] <veritas> k
[10:12] <Thorrn4> I am not using gnome; im using XFCE
[10:12] <NigelS> gingermark: what version do you currently have? e.g. if you type dpkg -l libidn11\* you can see what you currently have
[10:12] <Thorrn4> I was just wondering the location of it
[10:12] <Lathiat> Thorrn4: oh, uh, i don tthink it has one.
[10:12] <Lathiat> Thorrn4: the files it stores are in ~/.Trash/ tho
[10:12] <MightyF> hmm, snaptic bug found
[10:13] <Lathiat> Thorrn4: if you ahd stuff you wanted to get back or something
[10:13] <MightyF> synaptic*
[10:13] <Burgundavia> MightyF, not really surprised
[10:13] <Lathiat> MightyF: its a bit dodge on the repository editing but it usually doesnt break anything
[10:13] <Burgundavia> MightyF, which one this time?
[10:13] <MightyF> Burgundavia, It won't recognize the hoary CD unless you pop it out then pop it back in
[10:13] <gingermark> NigeIs, downloading the package now, currently version 0.5.13-1 is installed
[10:13] <Burgundavia> MightyF, cool
[10:13] <MightyF> Burgundavia, not too bad of a bug, but kindof annoying
[10:13] <Burgundavia> MightyF,  I think it only can add cds taht are currently in the system
[10:14] <bodaciousb> after i force a cd to unmount how do i make it let me eject?
[10:14] <MightyF> Burgundavia, how do you mean?  It was recognized by the system earlier
[10:14] <Lathiat> veritas: ok
[10:14] <Lathiat> veritas: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:14] <NigelS> gingermark: ah, ok :), when you get that type sudo dpkg -i ./libidn11_0.5.2-3_i386.deb - it'll prob say it can't, see why.  Then you may need to use the force options to make it ignore that problem.  That ought, if that library is the only one that's wrong, let apt-get see there's no longer a dependency problem.
[10:14] <Lathiat> veritas: find where it says Section "Monitor"
[10:14] <Burgundavia> MightyF, it adds it by default when it is installing
[10:15] <Burgundavia> MightyF, when the cd is in the system
[10:15] <Lathiat> veritas: then at the end of that section (after VertRefresh, before Endsection), put this on a new line -> Modeline "1280x800" 83.91 1280 1312 1624 1656 800 816 824 841
[10:15] <Lathiat> veritas: make sure you get it all correct
[10:15] <MightyF> Burgundavia, I mean, I've reinserted it since after the install once ubuntu was up and running
[10:15] <Burgundavia> MightyF, odd
[10:15] <veritas> K. I'll give that a go
[10:15] <MightyF> Burgundavia, so its in the system
[10:16] <Hoxzer> hmm straight how do I install tar.gz file in ubuntu :/
[10:17] <Lathiat> Hoxzer: well, what are you trying to install?
[10:17] <usual> Hoxzer, what is it
[10:17] <Hoxzer> I have tryed "make install" but seems its not working as the help file says
[10:17] <Hoxzer> VLC
[10:17] <Lathiat> Hoxzer: Why install vlc from a .tar.gz when you can install it with synaptic
[10:17] <Lathiat> Hoxzer: much easier, and wont break your system as much
[10:17] <transgress> should i use testing or unstable for the marillat packages?
[10:17] <Lathiat> Hoxzer: and will actually work :)
[10:17] <Lathiat> transgress: i use unstable, seems to work
[10:17] <MightyF> Burgundavia, I'm entirely too lazy to report it though
[10:17] <Hoxzer> Lathiat: tell me how
[10:17] <Burgundavia> MightyF,  indeed. Synaptic is going to be deprecedated in breezy as well
[10:18] <usual> Burgundavia, oh?
[10:18] <NigelS> transgress: unstable but bear in mind that there is some duplication of packages in marillat and debian multiverse, e.g. both contain an mplayer
[10:18] <Lathiat> Hoxzer: go system->administration->synaptic package manager
[10:18] <MightyF> Burgundavia, in favor of what?
[10:18] <Lathiat> Hoxzer: search for vlc, click it and mark for installation
[10:18] <ali4728> Help # sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
[10:18] <ali4728> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:18] <ali4728> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:18] <ali4728> E: Couldn't find package php4-mysql
[10:18] <ali4728>  How can I install this package?
[10:18] <Burgundavia> usual, MightyF they hope to have a new installer program in place
[10:18] <wdh> by issuing the wrong command (tar -czf A B instead of tar -czf B A) i accidently removed (overwrite) some file i wanted to backup.. any ideas on how to recover it?
[10:18] <MightyF> Burgundavia, yay! new bugs!
[10:18] <NigelS> transgress: heh, I meant ubuntu multiverse of course :)
[10:18] <Nalioth> Hoxzer, i like to compile my own software.  If you continue to do so, I recommend a program called "checkinstall"
[10:18] <usual> Burgundavia, but another front-end to apt
[10:18] <Burgundavia> MightyF, graphical this time
[10:18] <Burgundavia> usual, yep
[10:18] <Quinn_Storm> wdh: I think you're out of luck unfortunately
[10:18] <Lathiat> wdh: Uh, your going to be a bit stuck there
[10:19] <usual> I use breezy
[10:19] <usual> maybe I'll be able to see it eventually
[10:19] <Lathiat> usual: thats dangerous ground at the moment :)
[10:19] <Burgundavia> usual, they are specing these things out right now
[10:19] <fightingfortofu> how are you supposed edit the applications menu in gnome?
[10:19] <Lathiat> i had to revert a bunch of stuff back to hoary because i couldn't live without tomboy. :)
[10:19] <usual> Lathiat, so I heard, but it's no big deal to me. I can backup data and replace it if need be, not an important pc
[10:19] <wdh> Quinn_Storm, Lathiat, shouldnt tar at least _ask_ whether to overwrite something?? especially when the source file does not even exist?
[10:19] <Lathiat> usual: oh its not that
[10:19] <Lathiat> usual: just lots of broken applications
[10:20] <Hoxzer> Lathiat: It did't find anything
[10:20] <Lathiat> usual: evolution, mono atm
[10:20] <usual> no evolution
[10:20] <usual> heh
[10:20] <Lathiat> and tomboy and f-spot and blam are win :)
[10:20] <N3OP5YcH-e> HEh HEh
[10:20] <N3OP5YcH-e> http://slipnet.org/inthenow/2005/mp3/in_the_now__20050403.mp3
[10:20] <usual> Lathiat, other than evolution and mono, I am actually rather pleased with it's performance
[10:20] <N3OP5YcH-e> check out the new sho
[10:20] <MightyF> does ubuntu come with true type fonts installed?
[10:20] <Quinn_Storm> yeah they broke the dependancies of libebook1.2-3 (it depends on libcamel1.2-0 instead of 1.2-3
[10:20] <N3OP5YcH-e> Viva hacker radio
[10:21] <difeta> where are my kernel c header files located?
[10:22] <Nalioth> MightyF, i believe so
[10:22] <Lathiat> difeta: you need to install the linux-headers-386 package
[10:22] <Lathiat> difeta: where 386 is whatever kernel your running
[10:22] <Lathiat> difeta: then its in /usr/src/linux-headers-<version>
[10:22] <gingermark> NigeIS, dpkg -i worked, although it warned me it was downgrading the package
[10:22] <McQuaid> is there a way to just use an existing swap partition rather than formatting one that's already there
[10:23] <difeta> Lathiat, ok, thanks
[10:23] <Epix> quake2 gives these errors while loading ref_softx.so: http://www.fuhquake.net/files/releases/v0.31/fuhquake-security-v0.31.zip
[10:23] <Epix> p[[s
[10:23] <MightyF> Nalioth, thanks
[10:23] <Epix> opps
[10:23] <McQuaid> i'd rather skip any cfdisk/parted if I can, which I usually do when installing other distros as I have an avail part and an exisiting swap
[10:23] <Epix> heres the errors
[10:23] <Epix> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[10:23] <Epix> SNDDMA_Shutdown
[10:23] <Epix> recursive shutdown
[10:23] <Epix> Error: Couldn't fall back to software refresh!
[10:23] <gingermark> NigeIS, if Synaptic and apt-get insisted that a lot of core stuff relied on that version am I likely to have any problems now?
[10:23] <McQuaid> does ubuntu use cfdisk or parted for creating swap?
[10:23] <NigelS> gingermark: yeah.  Has that fixed it now? I mean if you apt-get install -f, and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade does it no longer want to remove loads of stuff?
[10:24] <NigelS> gingermark: no, not if it's the *right* version for those packages :) which it should be if you're using hoary...I assumed you were but should've asked :)
[10:24] <gingermark> NigeIS, will try those now
[10:24] <gingermark> yeah, usin hoary
[10:24] <MightyF> Lathiat, does multiverse have a JRE?
[10:25] <Lathiat> MightyF: no, but the backports repository does
[10:25] <punkass> anyone know of an app where you can append text to a shortcut key ie Alt-Shift-j would give me "this is some text i repeat a lot"
[10:25] <Nalioth> MightyF, you can drop any new fonts you like in your local    .font folder
[10:25] <Lathiat> MightyF: deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:25] <Lathiat> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:25] <Lathiat> idaho45: then you want the sun-j2re1.5 package
[10:25] <gingermark> NigeIS, after "apt-get install -f" it wants to remove a load of stuff still - including ubuntu- and kubuntu-desktops
[10:25] <Lathiat> idaho45: sorry
[10:25] <Lathiat> MightyF: then you want the sun-j2re1.5 pacakge
[10:26] <Epix> does anyone know what might cause that error?
[10:26] <Lathiat> MightyF: also the blackdown debian repositories work
[10:26] <NigelS> gingermark: then there are still packages that don't belong :(
[10:26] <Lathiat> Epix: ermm, where is that error found?
[10:26] <gingermark> NigeIS - I know I installed about 4 libs from debian back when I was very new to things
[10:26] <NigelS> gingermark: what was it you installed from debian?
[10:26] <MightyF> Lathiat, do i add that to my source.list file?
[10:27] <Lathiat> MightyF: yes
[10:27] <Lathiat> MightyF: both lines
[10:27] <NigelS> gingermark: in the fix broken info, does it say *what* it thinks the problem is?
[10:28] <encrypted_goat> hi all
[10:28] <Lathiat> hmm, backports.ubuntuforums.org needs more bandwidth
[10:28] <NigelS> ello
[10:29] <Sauron21> hi....could anyone tell me how to get "postfix" not startup and run on boot?
[10:29] <gingermark> NigeIS, no it doesn't. I installed libidn11 - although that is now the hoary version, and debian versions of libcurl3, libfontconfig1, libvirbis0a, libdvdread2 - that's all I think
[10:29] <blueyed> Anyone experience with Ubuntu on a dedicated (root) server? I could have a debian preinstall to upgrade from or is it better to "install from scratch" (debootstrap). I'm fine with PM.. ;)
[10:31] <mijndert> hi. how can i get xmms to play mp3 files? because when i load a mp3 file, xmms freezes.
[10:31] <ThomasWinwood> Install the codec. Details in the Starter Guide.
[10:31] <bodaciousb> ok guys... im tying to install unreal tounament 2004, its 3 cds... i copied the entire 3 cds to one folder on my hd... and it still asks to insert cd1... and the stupid cd rom wont open
[10:31] <NigelS> gingermark: I'm afraid you have to tediously dpkg -i all of those :)
[10:31] <gingermark> that is fine
[10:32] <NigelS> gingermark: apt is bad at downgrading a system gracefully, but if you manually restore the ubuntu versions it should be ok
[10:32] <Sauron21> hi....could anyone tell me how to get a program not to startup on boot??
[10:32] <Lathiat> Sauron21: What particular program?
[10:32] <gingermark> NigeIS, so I should download the latest hoary versions of all those libs, and dpkg -i?
[10:32] <transgress> how do i kill a defunct program?
[10:32] <transgress> kill -9 is just letting it sit there
[10:32] <Lathiat> transgress: you can't, just leave it, or reboot
[10:32] <transgress> grar
[10:32] <Sauron21> Postfix....and smtp mail transfer program....
[10:32] <transgress> guess i'll reboot
[10:33] <Lathiat> Sauron21: well, thats usefull to have running
[10:33] <Sauron21> Postfix....*an smtp mail transfer program....
[10:33] <encrypted_goat> I was wondering if someone could help out or point me in the right direction for help on creating a grub boot disk?
[10:33] <Lathiat> Sauron21: allows local mail delivery of error messages from apt and stuff
[10:33] <Sauron21> well...I dont use any internal mail program....
[10:33] <NigelS> gingermark: yeah
[10:33] <Sauron21> oh.....
[10:34] <Lathiat> Sauron21: It doesn't hurt to have it running, doesn't allow you to be a mail server to anyone else oro anything
[10:34] <NigelS> gingermark: if one complains you can use a -force-<option>
[10:34] <gingermark> NigeIS, ok, well hopefully you'll be around when I'm done :-) Will get to it now
[10:34] <Sauron21> but I dont want the port open.....
[10:34] <Lathiat> Sauron21: its not open
[10:34] <gingermark> NigeIS, -force-<option>
[10:34] <gingermark> ?
[10:34] <MightyF> ubuntu locked up on me
[10:34] <MightyF> i had to reboot
[10:34] <Lathiat> Sauron21: it only listens on a local socket
[10:35] <MightyF> Lathiat, what was that line in the sources.list you wanted me to add?
[10:35] <Sauron21> so no one on the outside sees it?
[10:35] <Lathiat> MightyF: see http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[10:36] <NigelS> gingermark: yeah, you shouldn't need it, but you can for example --force-overwrite to *make* the deb overwrite, etc etc, you can read them all with dpkg --force-help
[10:36] <MightyF> Lathiat, thanks
[10:36] <Chipparn> i got a question.. i got a second hardrive i wan to format to ext2, what do i use. fdisk? the volume is /dev/sda1
[10:37] <MightyF> man, using kate in gnome is more trouble than its worth
[10:37] <leitao> who is the man in the in hoary default gdm theme?
[10:37] <Lathiat> leitao: there are two guys
[10:38] <Lathiat> i think
[10:38] <transgress> anyone had a problem with totem-gstreamer not opening giving a gstreamer error?
[10:38] <leitao> Lathiat : the oldest one...
[10:38] <Lathiat> leitao: no idea
[10:38] <sacarasc> hey, can someone help with installing sun's jre?
[10:38] <Lathiat> leitao: might be listed in the credits for ubuntu-artwork or something
[10:38] <Lathiat> sacarasc: yep, goto http://backports.ubuntuforums.org
[10:38] <leitao> Lathiat : heh. i'll see. i though it was Mark.
[10:38] <Lathiat> sacarasc: add those repositories listed
[10:38] <Lathiat> sacarasc: then you can install sun-j2re1.5
[10:38] <Lathiat> leitao: nah i dont think so
[10:38] <gingermark> NigeIS, thanks, will get to it now
[10:38] <Lathiat> doesnt look like him
[10:39] <Parkway> Question: Typically how long will it take to get shipped the CDs?..
[10:39] <Lathiat> Parkway: I don't think anyone knows the shipping schedule yet
[10:39] <Lathiat> Parkway: but i assume they will start shipping soon
[10:39] <Lathiat> Parkway: depends how far down the rannks you are i guess
[10:39] <Lathiat> Parkway: theres no way to tell, they'll just get shipped when they do
[10:39] <MightyF> Lathiat, hmmm, not working...
[10:40] <Lathiat> MightyF: whats not working?
[10:40] <Lathiat> MightyF: sorry i lose track of who im helping with what
[10:40] <MightyF> Lathiat, I get errors opening synaptic with the backports
[10:40] <Lathiat> MightyF: you need to reload the package list
[10:40] <MightyF> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[10:40] <MightyF> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[10:40] <Lathiat> MightyF: hit reload
[10:40] <MightyF> thats what i added
[10:40] <Lathiat> MightyF: (it will error until its got a package list, reload will do that)
[10:41] <MightyF> Lathiat, ahhh, mmkay, thanks
[10:41] <MightyF> jre installing
[10:42] <patrick> hey im back and installed it, thanks for support, it works awesome
[10:43] <patrick> but how do i set root password, it wont lemme and it auto set during install!
[10:43] <MightyF> ubuntu is based on Debian, correct?
[10:43] <amonkey> is mounting an ntfs volume (read only) bad for it? i seem to have some bitrot (songs/videos only having parts of the file), but the drive relativly new so i don't think it's hardware failure.
[10:43] <MightyF> patrick, hahahahahahahaha!!! READ THE FAQ!!! :)
[10:44] <abstractism> hey
[10:44] <abstractism> anyone here have a mac?
[10:44] <Noki> yea me
[10:44] <MightyF> patrick,  www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[10:44] <abstractism> cool
[10:44] <abstractism> I want one of the new iMac G5s.
[10:44] <Noki> I don't like it that much its an old g3.. yeah they look funky
[10:44] <MightyF> abstractism, I heard they have heat dissipation issues
[10:44] <Burgundavia> patrick, ubuntu uses sudo by default
[10:44] <abstractism> no, they're 2ghz soon
[10:45] <Burgundavia> patrick, there is no root password
[10:45] <Kisain> i own three of them yup they do
[10:45] <abstractism> with 128 meg radeon 9800's
[10:45] <Noki> if you want a root password    do   sudo passwd
[10:45] <Burgundavia> patrick, however, if you set a root password, all of the gui tools have been set to us sudo
[10:45] <MightyF> backport repos are sloooooow
[10:45] <Noki> the g5 is cool. but what i really want is a dual G4 peg open desktop workstation
[10:45] <Chipparn> need help with formating my sata drive to ext2.. do i use fdisk or does it extist a graphical formating tool or something?
[10:46] <MightyF> Burgundavia, when i see a list of distributions with files to download for each, does ubuntu fall under Debian usually?
[10:46] <patrick> is it safe to use sudo
[10:46] <Burgundavia> MightyF, yes
[10:46] <Noki> yes ubuntu can run .deb
[10:46] <MightyF> patrick, about as safe as anything you do as root
[10:46] <Burgundavia> MightyF, default stuff for sid will isntall on ubuntu
[10:46] <Burgundavia> patrick, safer than root
[10:46] <patrick> yes but then EVERYTHING goes as root...
[10:46] <patrick> oh well...
[10:46] <patrick> so far ubuntu is AWESOME
[10:46] <patrick> easy, fast install
[10:46] <MightyF> Burgundavia, how do you figure its safer?
[10:46] <rottis> How do i get mysql work in php , i have installed mysql and i think its working but i see i dont have mysql.so?
[10:47] <Noki> is it just me or does having a seperate root account just feel better
[10:47] <Kisain> can anyone tell me why wine can't run lightside legend ragnarok (wwww.clownphobia.com)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> MightyF, for the gui stuff, you can access the root functions without having log off
[10:47] <Burgundavia> MightyF, and thus there is less likelyhood that someone is simply going to log in as root all the time to avoid the trouble
[10:47] <MightyF> Burgundavia, true
[10:48] <Noki> KISAIN: wine will not run all applications it's very hit and miss
[10:48] <MightyF> Burgundavia, but FC3 allows similar authentication on the fly without having to log off
[10:48] <patrick> well but what is someone hacks u and runs a explotation and it ruins ur system, and it did because it automatically ran as sudo...
[10:48] <Burgundavia> MightyF, never used FC, jumped from RH 8 to Ubuntu
[10:48] <patrick> Ubuntu is best as far as I can see
[10:48] <patrick> :D
[10:48] <Burgundavia> patrick, what if you run as root?
[10:48] <patrick> wut u mean?
[10:48] <MightyF> Burgundavia, thats cool.  Yeah, ubuntu makes FC3 look like an american compared to a somalian
[10:49] <Kisain> can you run games inside vmware then?
[10:49] <patrick> get cedega
[10:49] <Burgundavia> Kisain, very slowly
[10:49] <MightyF> ubuntu = lighter weight, much lighter weight.  FC3 = heavyweight, even overweight
[10:49] <Noki> FC was a pretty good until V3 it wouldnt run on low end PCS like ubuntu
[10:49] <patrick> ubuntu installs like over twice as fast as fedora
[10:49] <patrick> and its alot better :
[10:49] <patrick> :D
[10:49] <patrick> more minimalistic
[10:49] <MightyF> Noki, I only run high-end PCs, so I haven't had a problem.  It was pretty good
[10:49] <Burgundavia> patrick, sudo has its security risks, but much less than using root
[10:49] <Chipparn> cedega and point to play kicks ass.. works really great..
[10:49] <MightyF> patrick, exactly
[10:49] <Noki> it took aaaages to render screen.... I couldn't live without apt-get anymore
[10:50] <patrick> where can u get point to play?
[10:50] <patrick> also is there rpm support in ubuntu?
[10:50] <concept10> what does install speed have to do with anything, you only install once
[10:50] <Burgundavia> patrick, alien for rpms to convert them to .debs
[10:50] <patrick> well true but the fact that its only one cd, not 4 is nice
[10:50] <Burgundavia> patrick, point to play?
[10:50] <patrick> yes i need it
[10:50] <Noki> patrick   do   apt-get install alien
[10:50] <Burgundavia> concept10, another reason why having a non-GUI installer isn't such a bad thing
[10:51] <Noki> it can convert rpms to .debs so you can use dpkg -i x.deb
[10:51] <MightyF> Noki, you can use apt-get on FC3, just that yum works just as well
[10:51] <MightyF> Noki, no kidding?!!?
[10:51] <patrick> i know ive used it in fc3 to convert a dev to rpm
[10:51] <concept10> I dont understand the beef of install speed, Fedora has nice installer
[10:51] <MightyF> Noki, is alien flawless in this conversion?
[10:51] <Chipparn> patrik: point to play and cedega is found on www.transgaming.com
[10:51] <Burgundavia> MightyF, sometimes
[10:51] <patrik_> where can i find the config file to automount hdds when i start the system
[10:51] <Noki> MightyF, yes it is :D
[10:52] <Burgundavia> patrik_, you need to edit fstab
[10:52] <Burgundavia> MightyF, as much as any software is flawless
[10:52] <gingermark> NigelS: I did "apt-get install -f" after replacing some packages, and now it doesn't want to uninstall a load of stuff - does that mean I'm sorted now?
[10:52] <spo0nman> Hmm, I want bash to autocomplete my arguments to ssh is there something I can do ... like maintain a list of hosts in a file where bash picks up hostname from and does tab completion when i do ssh this.that.tab
[10:52] <spo0nman> any idea?
[10:52] <spo0nman> any idea(s)?
[10:52] <patrik_> Burgundavia, where do i find fstab?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> patrik_, /etc/fstab
[10:53] <patrik_> tnx
[10:53] <bodaciousb> somehow my desktop got bigger than my monitor... i have to move the mouse down to see the bottom bar, and back up to see the menu stuff again... anyone know how to fix that?
[10:53] <patrick> hmm...
[10:54] <Nalioth> patrik_ the "locate" command works wonders "locate <name of what you are looking for>"
[10:54] <Lathiat> bodaciousb: you could try going system->administration->screen resolution
[10:54] <Lathiat> bodaciousb: and changing it
[10:54] <Lathiat> bodaciousb: system->preferences sorry
[10:55] <patrick> well i bought cedega but my account got banned because i downloaded it off my friends pc and they thought i was stealing and they wont give it back so i cant obtain point2play...
[10:55] <Burgundavia> patrick, why one uses free software
[10:55] <bodaciousb> Lathiat, thats what i thought to, but it was fine until i reset, and screen resolution says the x server does not support the XRandR extension, runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available
[10:56] <patrick> yes well there is no good game emulation software other than cedega :D
[10:56] <sacarasc> Lathiat,
[10:56] <sacarasc> sun-j2re1.5debian:
[10:56] <sacarasc>  Depends: sun-j2re1.5 but it is not installable
[10:57] <Burgundavia> patrick, wine is about to check in some really nice D3D9 code
[10:57] <Lathiat> sacarasc: i said sun-j2re1.5, not sun-j2re1.5debian --- have you installed the backports archives?
[10:57] <bodaciousb> Lathiat,  i fixed it, i just rand quake 3 and closed it again, it changed res for me
[10:58] <bodaciousb> lethiat: thanks for the help though =)
[10:58] <Determinist> how can i remove the damned 3 updates available (all of which are openoffice which i have no use for) from my notifications area? thing doesnt have a bugger off option!
[10:58] <Epix> i have a deb package sitting on my desktop, how do i instal it?
[10:58] <Determinist> :P
[10:58] <Determinist> Epix, double click it?
[10:59] <sacarasc> Lathiat, yes and thats all i get in it
[10:59] <Epix> Determinist, that opens the Arcive Manager
[10:59] <Burgundavia> Epix, what is it for?
[10:59] <Epix> I want a installer
[10:59] <Determinist> Epix, right click it?
[10:59] <Lathiat> sacarasc: both lines?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> Determinist, none of those methods will work
[10:59] <Epix> Burgundavia, its an rpm i aliened
[10:59] <gingermark> Hiya, I replaced some debian libraries I installed when I didn't know what I was doing with the (slightly older) hoary equivalents, and now I seem to have broken Synaptic - any ideas?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> Epix, is the program in the repos?
[10:59] <Determinist> Burgundavia, perhaps not , just throwing ideas of what i'd try , i've never installed a deb package but it cant be all that different from rpms
[10:59] <sacarasc> Lathiat, yep
[11:00] <mactiny> does anyone here know anything about the software and techniques the pro's use to record commentaries
[11:00] <Epix> Burgundavia, its the JRE
[11:00] <Burgundavia> Epix, ah, ok
[11:00] <Burgundavia> Epix, at the command line
[11:00] <Burgundavia> sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[11:00] <Burgundavia> trying to make certain that you searched the repos first
[11:00] <Epix> Burgundavia, thanks, i KNEW it was dpkg something
[11:01] <Remenic> has anyone managed to get tomboy working?
[11:01] <Lathiat> sacarasc: ermm, ok, hang
[11:01] <Remenic> when I start it, it launches a background process but I don't get a system ttray icon
[11:01] <Burgundavia> Remenic, on breezy is borked
[11:01] <Remenic> no this is hoary
[11:01] <Nalioth> epix, if you think of "something" and are curious about it, open a terminal and type "man <something>" if your thinking is correct, you will get an instruction booklet
[11:02] <Epix> Nalioth, :)
[11:02] <Burgundavia> Remenic, hmm
[11:02] <Remenic> Burgundavia: I'm using xfce though
[11:02] <Burgundavia> Remenic, hmm, right
[11:02] <Remenic> Burgundavia: but tomboy uses the normal system tray right?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> might
[11:02] <Burgundavia> no idea
[11:02] <patrick> back
[11:02] <patrick> yay i can login now :D
[11:02] <lunitik> Remenic: it uses the Notification Area specs, yes
[11:03] <lunitik> patrick: gj?
[11:03] <Remenic> lunitik: ok
[11:03] <Epix> BAH! i cant get FuhQuake to install! it cant find the JVM even when i point it right to /usr/java/jre*.*.*_*
[11:03] <lunitik> Remenic: You have GNOME or KDE installed? See if its working there... could just be an issue with your package  :/
[11:03] <Remenic> lukewarm: I'll try in gnome
[11:04] <lunitik> Epix: thats where you put Java? try just ln -s /where/java/bin/is /usr/bin/
[11:04] <patrick> to transgaming
[11:04] <Determinist> any idea on my question guys?
[11:05] <lunitik> Determinist: I don't see it... what was it?
[11:05] <Determinist> how can i remove the damned 3 updates available (all of which are openoffice which i have no use for) from my notifications area? thing doesnt have a bugger off option
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Determinist, sorry, had a network glitch. What did you ask?
[11:05] <Epix> lunitik, still no working
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Determinist, install them, as they are security updates
[11:05] <gingermark> Hiya, I replaced some debian libraries I installed when I didn't know what I was doing with the (slightly older) hoary equivalents, and now I seem to have broken Synaptic - any ideas?
[11:06] <Determinist> Burgundavia, they're obvious OO updates etc since i've removed openoffice , says open office 1.1.3 , i dont want nor need open office
[11:06] <MightyF> Burgundavia, does ubuntu have an easier way than the binary for installing nvidia, or do i need to due it the old-fashioned way?
[11:06] <hybrid_>  /nick hybrid
[11:06] <hybrid_> oops
[11:06] <lunitik> Determinist: pkill -9 update-notifier
[11:06] <patrick> brb again
[11:06] <Burgundavia> MightyF, search for nvidia, they are packaged
[11:06] <Burgundavia> Determinist, the system would not pester you to install them if OO was not on your system
[11:07] <Determinist> lunitik, that'll just kill the process tho , how can i make it not appear next time?
[11:07] <MightyF> Burgundavia, ahhh, found em, thanks
[11:07] <Determinist> Burgundavia, well , i've removed it using the add/remove thing on the system tools menu
[11:07] <MightyF> brb
[11:07] <lunitik> Determinist: rcconf ... turn it off...
[11:07] <bodaciousb> will apt-get install flgrx get me the most up to date ati drivers?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> lunitik, ahh, never suggest taht
[11:07] <lunitik> Determinist: or look for the script in /etc/rc2.d/ and remove it
[11:07] <Burgundavia> bob2, yes
[11:07] <lunitik> Burgundavia: why? its what he is asking for  :/
[11:07] <Burgundavia> bodaciousb, the latest inthe repos
[11:58] <mp3butcher> How can i highlight my surname to see when someone answer me?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> mp3butcher: you are on mirc - I don't know how windows clients work
[11:59] <schasi> which client?
[11:59] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[11:59] <mp3butcher> im on mIRC
[12:00] <dimbit> anyone else experienced a complete system freeze about 5 minutes after starting X?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> mp3butcher: this is a linux channel - not many will know mIRC
[12:00] <schasi> Huh why am i in here then?
[12:00] <mp3butcher> I use the client cause i cant get the net trhought ubuntu
[12:01] <Fator_Dee> dimbit: quite complete freezes a few times
[12:01] <dimbit> consistently after 5-10 minutes?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> mp3butcher: yes, that's OK
[12:01] <mp3butcher> my modem sagen F@st 800 (behind hubusb cause chipset VIA) dont synchron
[12:02] <thoreauputic> mp3butcher: we might not be able to answer questions about mIRC is all
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> dimbit: but it was because of the nvidia drivers
[12:02] <dimbit> very probably, yes
[12:02] <dimbit> I tried installing the nvidia patch thing
[12:02] <dimbit> but that just made it freeze immediately on starting X and it made nasty noises
[12:02] <dimbit> is there a fix that works?
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> it's a shame there is that severe of a bug in the drivers
[12:02] <Fator_Dee> I don't know of any
[12:03] <schasi> dimbit: Did you have that with any other os as well?
[12:03] <dimbit> schasi, none that I've tried
[12:03] <thoreauputic> mp3butcher: maybe google your modem with "linux" or "linux support configuration"
[12:03] <dimbit> but Ubuntu is the only one I've tried with Xorg
[12:03] <schasi> So you can say that it happens only with ubuntu?
[12:03] <schasi> Hm k
[12:03] <schasi> Try some bsd ;-)
[12:03] <dimbit> bsd has crappy package management ;p
[12:04] <Q_Continuum> say Varg
[12:04] <thoreauputic> mp3butcher: tu sais qu'il y a un canal #ubuntu-fr pur les francais ?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> *pour
[12:04] <mp3butcher> Merci :)
[12:04] <thoreauputic> de rien :)
[12:05] <Q_Continuum> it tells me I need a 32-bit linker in my /lib path...and that the name of the linker is ld-linux-x86-64.so.2....is that the name of the linkfile that I create in /lib?
[12:05] <mp3butcher> join #ubuntu-fr
[12:05] <mp3butcher> merde c pa ca!!
[12:05] <thoreauputic> mp3     /join   ;)
[12:05] <Q_Continuum> nooooo
[12:05] <Q_Continuum> varg left >.<
[12:06] <Q_Continuum> anyone here running amd64 and got a chroot installed?
[12:07] <Q_Continuum> craaaap.
[12:07] <Q_Continuum> we need all the 64-bit people to populate #ubuntu-amd64.  regularly.
[12:07] <Q_Continuum> bob2 you around?
[12:07] <bob2> yes
[12:08] <Q_Continuum> should update the topic to include a link to #ubuntu-amd64 (registered, apparently I'm the only one in there) so that we can aggregate all the 64bit people in one place lol
[12:08] <bob2> why?
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> why
[12:08] <Q_Continuum> I feel like a rock in the sea asking for help in here...so few people use amd64
[12:08] <bob2> this channel isn't so big that it's worth splitting on such a minor topic
[12:08] <Q_Continuum> true.
[12:08] <bob2> you'll be even more screwed in a channel with only you in it
[12:08] <Q_Continuum> lol
[12:09] <bob2> it's very rare a problem is amd64-specific
[12:09] <Q_Continuum> now I've got two people in it :-)
[12:09] <Q_Continuum> well, actually... lol
[12:09] <bob2> using "lol" in every sentence is more likely to reduce the help you get than any choice of architecture
[12:09] <Q_Continuum> no, I'm following the instructions here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274326
[12:09] <bob2> this is ubuntu, not debian
[12:09] <Q_Continuum> I know.
[12:10] <Q_Continuum> but if you find information on howto get the 64-bit system to use 32-bit chrooted apps customized for ubuntu, let me know.
[12:10] <bob2> what applications aren't in the amd64 port?
[12:10] <bob2> aside from binary junk and oo.
[12:10] <Q_Continuum> w32codecs
[12:10] <Q_Continuum> flashplayer
[12:10] <bob2> as above
[12:11] <Q_Continuum> 32-bit binary games (quake III comes to mind)
[12:11] <mjr> Q_Continuum, how about https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[12:11] <Q_Continuum> I followed that...what the alioth link lets me do is have a file open up a chrooted app automatically to play it.
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: have you seen  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575&page=1&pp=10    ?
[12:12] <shopgirl> is tiago- cusco there?
[12:12] <Q_Continuum> I have not - I will check it out now though
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: it seems to be a howto
[12:13] <shopgirl> hi again thoreauputic
[12:13] <Q_Continuum> that it would.
[12:13] <thoreauputic> shopgirl: hi again - are you stalking me or something ;-)
[12:13] <thoreauputic> ?
[12:13] <shopgirl> no
[12:14] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:14] <Q_Continuum> question: I just opened that link, and it opened in firefox, but in workspace 1...I have xchat in workspace 2...any clue howto fix that?
[12:14] <shopgirl> all i said was hi......
[12:14] <thoreauputic> shopgirl: I was just kidding :)
[12:14] <Q_Continuum> wait...it's the fact that it's set to open in new tab that did it...
[12:15] <shopgirl> bye then if cusco comes on tell him shopgirl  is on at 11:30
[12:15] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: I like having it in a different workspace myself - doesn't pop up in my face
[12:16] <dimbit> hmm... anyone have any ideas how to solve the nvidia/xorg thing? are there any plans for a patch or workaround?
[12:17] <Q_Continuum> well, no, I was hoping to open it and quickly view it.
[12:17] <Q_Continuum> I like having things seperated, usually by task...in this case, it was a different task than workspace 1.
[12:19] <Q_Continuum> uh oh
[12:19] <Q_Continuum> I think I broke something...
[12:19] <Q_Continuum> *goes in a desperate attempt to fix it*
[12:20] <Q_Continuum> ummmm....*screams*
[12:20] <Dethread> relax
[12:21] <Q_Continuum> I blew away the chroot that I had (/var/chroot/) it failed to remove 6 things - 1 was busy, the other 5 just failed.  I uninstalled and reinstalled (via apt-get) the dchroot and the dbootstrap (or whatever) packages, and started following the script that thoreauputic found for me.
[12:21] <Q_Continuum> I now, somehow, no longer have a /home/kcbnac/ directory.
[12:22] <Q_Continuum> so I cannot use any of the menus in gnome, and my shortcuts are toast.
[12:22] <albacker> guys, can someone help me here :
[12:22] <albacker> http://phr34k.game-host.org/~albacker/mp-error.txt
[12:22] <Q_Continuum> I'm afraid to log out.
[12:23] <Q_Continuum> help.
[12:24] <Q_Continuum> I don't want to reinstall, but I will, if I absolutely must...
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: do you have another user? You could login in a nested session and search for your lost directory (unless you smehow blew it away completely)
[12:24] <Q_Continuum> no :-(
[12:24] <Q_Continuum> no other users.
[12:24] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:24] <Q_Continuum> I have this odd feeling I'm screwed.
[12:24] <albacker> me2
[12:24] <Q_Continuum> I logged in via another terminal
[12:24] <albacker> http://phr34k.game-host.org/~albacker/mp-error.txt
[12:24] <Q_Continuum> that I'm screwed, or that you are, alba?
[12:25] <albacker> i am
[12:25] <albacker> can someone help me pls.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: how did you manage to blow your home dir away??
[12:25] <mjr> Q_Continuum, you're probably screwed; if you bind-mounted stuff into the chroot, you deleted the stuff behind the bind mounts as well
[12:25] <Q_Continuum> I don't know.
[12:25] <Q_Continuum> oh damn - that's what did it mjr
[12:25] <Q_Continuum> fsck
[12:25] <thoreauputic> oops
[12:25] <albacker> i cant install, remove with apt-get anymore.
[12:25] <Q_Continuum> fsck fsck fsck fsck
[12:25] <mjr> Q_Continuum, I actually almost made the same mistake a while back, but managed to catch myself in time
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> *pof*
[12:25] <shopgirl> CUSCO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:25] <Q_Continuum> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:26] <shopgirl> CUSCO?????
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: in a tty, make a new user
[12:26] <Q_Continuum> *sigh*
[12:26] <albacker> thoreauputic, what about my problem. do you suggest anything ?
[12:27] <Q_Continuum> ok user made.
[12:27] <Q_Continuum> joe.
[12:27] <shopgirl> K.O.K O.K O.K
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: add the user to relevant groups as well
[12:27] <Q_Continuum> like what, admin?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: like adm cdrom lpadmin etc
[12:28] <warriorfr> what plugin do you use to see streaming movies on firefox ?
[12:28] <Q_Continuum> what's the command to change usergroups again?  (been almost a year since I've had to do any of that)
[12:28] <Quazion> i think mplayer has an firefox plugin
[12:28] <shopgirl> THEROPUTIC av u seen a guy called CUSCO ???
[12:28] <Q_Continuum> (and I don't know all the groups needed either)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> adm lp dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum:
[12:28] <thoreauputic> oops
[12:29] <albacker> guys, can you help me please. :S i cant install/remove with apt-get just because : http://phr34k.game-host.org/~albacker/mp-error.txt
[12:29] <Dethread> albacker, have you tried "apt-get clean" "apt-get update"? Maybe that'll help
[12:29] <thoreauputic> shopgirl: he's in the list
[12:29] <Quazion> warriorfr, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[12:29] <albacker> apt-get update, i have
[12:29] <thoreauputic> shopgirl: do a /whois
[12:29] <Dethread> albacker, do an apt-get clean first
[12:29] <Dethread> and then update again
[12:29] <Q_Continuum> all of this because macromedia refuses to compile flash for amd64!
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: the command to add a user to a group is  adduser user group
[12:30] <yahalom> i isntalled bittornado through apt-get and i cant find it, any ideas?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: with sudo of course
[12:30] <Q_Continuum> mmhmm
[12:31] <transgress> yahalom: locate bittornado
[12:31] <shopgirl> cosco?
[12:31] <mjr> yahalom, "dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin" and see what the program names are
[12:31] <Dethread> shopgirl, there is noone named "cosco" here
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Dethread: she means cusco
[12:31] <Dethread> ah
[12:32] <bob2> Cosmic_Kid: please don't
[12:32] <Q_Continuum> what groups do I need this user to be a member of?
[12:32] <Xappe> shopgirl: just query the guy *sighs*
[12:32] <bob2> shopgirl: please stop being annoying again
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: I gave a list above
[12:32] <bob2> shopgirl: I'm not going to put up with a third night of it
[12:32] <yahalom> transgress, mjr i find it in /us/lib but its all blah blah blah.bittornado like this: /usr/bin/btrename.bittornado
[12:32] <Q_Continuum> k
[12:33] <yahalom> i cant tell which is the app itself
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: <thoreauputic> adm lp dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[12:33] <yahalom> transgress, locate didnt find anything
[12:33] <albacker> Dethread, apt-get clean deletes everything in /var/apt/archive right ?
[12:34] <mjr> yahalom, yeah, there should be links to those without the .bittornado extension (unless you have also bittorrent installed, and those are preferred)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> yahalom: type btdownload <tab> <tab>
[12:34] <mjr> what thore said
[12:34] <Dethread> albacker, /var/cache/at/archive...I think so, yeah
[12:34] <Dethread> apt, that is
[12:34] <mitrick> hi
[12:34] <yahalom> mjr, only: /usr/bin/btsethttpseeds
[12:34] <yahalom>  and /usr/bin/btcopyannounce
[12:34] <cirkit_> when i try installing a metacity theme in gnome...i extract it to /usr/share/themes but its not in my theme details
[12:34] <albacker> Dethread, ah. damn i deleted them :( i wanted to do a backup of them first. cos i have dialup and if i screw something i cant get all of them from the begining
[12:34] <cirkit_> mitrick why did you leave gaim?
[12:35] <mitrick> im having a prob here when i compile something it says i dont have glib-2.0
[12:35] <Dethread> albacker, ah, that sucks...sorry 'bout that
[12:35] <mitrick> im on gaim
[12:35] <cirkit_> no
[12:35] <mitrick> yea
[12:35] <yahalom> thoreauputic, so bitornado is only text?
[12:35] <albacker> Dethread, no problem.
[12:35] <thoreauputic> mitrick:  apt-cache search libglib | grep dev
[12:35] <Dethread> mitrick, how 'bout installing it, then?
[12:35] <mjr> yahalom, I think the gui bittornado client is in separate package (bittornado-gui, IIRC)
[12:36] <Dethread> mitrick, libglib2.0-dev
[12:36] <mitrick> ah
[12:36] <mitrick> ill apt-get that
[12:36] <mitrick> see if it works:P
[12:36] <cirkit_> apt-get libglib2.0-dev
[12:36] <cirkit_> E: Invalid operation libglib2.0-dev
[12:36] <albacker> apt-get install ..
[12:36] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: umm.. sudo apt-get install
[12:37] <mitrick> good its installed
[12:37] <mitrick> hope i dont miss other libs for compiling
[12:37] <cirkit_> how come metacty themes dont show up in theme details
[12:37] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay, joe's in those groups.
[12:37] <mitrick> soo far ubuntu is nice on my laptop:P
[12:37] <cirkit_> same here mitrick
[12:37] <Q_Continuum> it's nice here too, mitrick...except for my fsckup lol
[12:38] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: they do - you got something wrong
[12:38] <yahalom> mjr, ok i guess that what i wasnt getting, thanx.
[12:38] <yahalom> thoreauputic, thanx.
[12:38] <cirkit_> i moved the metacity theme to /usr/share/themes and extracted
[12:38] <cirkit_> that should be right
[12:38] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: try dragging the tarball on to your themes dialogue
[12:38] <cirkit_> my border and icons worked
[12:38] <cirkit_> theme dialogue?
[12:38] <mitrick> my alsa doesnt work thought
[12:38] <mitrick> but i can listen to mp3s in esd
[12:39] <mitrick> with xmms
[12:39] <mitrick> weird
[12:39] <albacker> mitrick, install alsa-base, alsa-utils, alsa-oss
[12:39] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: bring up the theme chage window and drag/drop onto it
[12:39] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay thoreauputic - user's been added to all those groups...I should be good then, or is there more to do?
[12:39] <cirkit_> what is the theme change window?
[12:39] <cirkit_> i know the themes in system
[12:39] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: that just gives you another way to log in to gnome
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: check that the user is in sudoers too
[12:40] <yomama> is ac3 suppose to work with mplayer?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: if in adm, should be in sudoers I think
[12:40] <yahalom> anyone here know how i can remove the double entries tha kde creates in my xfce menu?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: sudo cat /etc/sudoers to check
[12:40] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay, he's a member of admin now
[12:41] <selinium> HI thoreauputic!
[12:41] <thoreauputic> adn is the group, not admin afaik
[12:41] <mitrick> i dunno why but now oss frozes xmms
[12:41] <thoreauputic> selinium: hiya
[12:41] <mitrick> and alsa not working
[12:41] <Q_Continuum> admin is the group, I think...that's what the sudoers file says anyway.
[12:41] <mitrick> do i need to reboot"?
[12:41] <Q_Continuum> he's in both.
[12:41] <thoreauputic> mitrick: try the esd output plugin for xmms
[12:41] <mitrick> yea that works
[12:41] <mitrick> that is the one i use for now
[12:42] <selinium> Hi all , can anyone help with a printer problem. The cups has got its knickers in a twist and wont let me delete the pending prints resume the printer or anything even after a rebbot.
[12:42] <Q_Continuum> yup, he's got sudo access.  verified.
[12:42] <selinium> reboot even
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: OK
[12:42] <voradams> i did read that  their is a prob with alsa in xmms.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> selinium: try sudo  /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[12:43] <selinium> Cheers thoreauputic, I'll give it a go!
[12:43] <mitrick> so i got to use esd if xmms has alsa prob?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> mitrick: whatever works...
[12:43] <mitrick> yea
[12:43] <mitrick> esd
[12:44] <mitrick> im really not used to debian distro
[12:44] <Q_Continuum> thoreauputic, is there anything else I should do, or should I just call it good, switch over to the other user (log off of this one) and recreate myself?
[12:44] <shopgirl> cusco
[12:44] <mitrick> im used to be on slack
[12:44] <shopgirl> u dere cusco
[12:44] <voradams> i am having problems in getting a 2.5in usb hard disk to work under hoary
[12:44] <Dethread> shopgirl, please just query him directly and don't clutter the channel
[12:44] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: I take it all data in your original home dir is gone now?
[12:44] <CoreDump|home> ummm hey guy, anyone heard of spyware targeting firefox in its latest version?
[12:44] <Q_Continuum> yeah.  thankfully it wasn't a whole lot.  (system's existed for a week)
[12:44] <shopgirl> soz dethread
[12:45] <CoreDump|home> cuz' mine is acting "strange"
[12:45] <thoreauputic> shopgirl:  /msg cusco Do you exist ?
[12:45] <bob2> CoreDump|home: strange = ?
[12:45] <bob2> shopgirl: stop it
[12:45] <Q_Continuum> I would assume it's all gone...if there's a way to recover the data that's been deleted but not removed.
[12:45] <selinium> thoreauputic: I am not in my login, and it says the the user is not in the sudoers file. Can I give it a user?
[12:46] <CoreDump|home> bob2: it keeps opening a certain URL "bvg.de" which I do not know and which i've _never_ visited before
[12:46] <bob2> "keeps opening"
[12:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: do you have access to another user who has sudo rights? If so su <user> password and go from there
[12:46] <bob2> when you open it up, and don't touch it, it opens it up?
[12:46] <CoreDump|home> well, my start-up page is set to "about:blank" and it _still_ opens this URI
[12:46] <selinium> thoreauputic: yep, i'll give it a go!
[12:47] <CoreDump|home> and does so randomly in a new tab
[12:47] <thoreauputic> selinium: su is to change users...
[12:47] <Dethread> CoreDump|home, bvg.de .... that's the website of Berlin's metro system :)
[12:47] <bob2> CoreDump|home: when you're not using firefox, it opens it in a new tab?
[12:47] <CoreDump|home> I know, not really a spyware target
[12:47] <CoreDump|home> bob2: nope, only when it's already launched
[12:48] <CoreDump|home> and then, yes, randomly
[12:48] <Q_Continuum> thoreauputic, anything more todo, or anything I can do to attempt to recover the files?
[12:48] <bob2> CoreDump|home: you open it.  don't touch it.  come back later and find that site in a new tab?
[12:48] <bob2> CoreDump|home: you're not being very specific at all here
[12:49] <CoreDump|home> bob2: I quit firefox after setting the default-page to "about:blank"
[12:49] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: well, you could try running sudo updatedb, then locate <somefiles> I guess
[12:49] <CoreDump|home> bob2: then, when I start ip up again, It'll display this URL
[12:49] <bob2> CoreDump|home: that's all?  it displayes as your default home page?
[12:49] <CoreDump|home> it also opens this URL in a new tab when I do not touch FF for a while
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: when you login to gnome with your new user you should get the ubuntu  default setup
[12:51] <Q_Continuum> k, thanks thor...you've saved me from a reinstall at least. heh.
[12:51] <CoreDump|home> ok, setting the default-page to something else has no effect whatsoever. It'll always open this URL
[12:51] <jacquesmerde> anyone here have a copy of bcmwl5.inf ?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> Q_Continuum: heh - I hope so :)
[12:51] <Q_Continuum> I do, jac...
[12:51] <Q_Continuum> well, I did...wait...it's on my ntfs partition as well. lol.
[12:51] <bob2> CoreDump|home: have you installed any extensions?
[12:51] <cusco> jacquesmerde: ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/wmp11_v4_dr.zip
[12:52] <jacquesmerde> cusco: i dont want v4.....then again, a file's a file
[12:52] <CoreDump|home> bob2: nope
[12:52] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: you serious?
[12:52] <CoreDump|home> bob2: and: the user has been created like two hours ago. ~ is basically empty
[12:53] <bob2> ok!
[12:54] <CoreDump|home> bob2: ah err I have the problem. It's not FF, it's the starterbar desklet. It only opens the URL when launched via starterbar.
[12:55] <CoreDump|home> ~lart starterbar
[12:55] <jacquesmerde> cusco: wait. that's the file i have already. it has the .sys, but not bcmwl5.inf
[12:57] <Xappe> i have an ibook g3 without wireless. i'm thinking of getting a wireless usb stick for it so I can use the wlans at my university, do you think getting a standard stick will work even though it's a mac?
[12:58] <bob2> get a netgear ma-111
[12:58] <bob2> version 1
[12:58] <bob2> or just get an airport card
[12:58] <ritalin> hi
[12:58] <bob2> the g3 airports work fine under linux
[12:59] <ritalin> im trying to compile fluxbox 9.12 on hoary and need some help
[12:59] <Xappe> bob2, ok, but I guess they're more expensive
[12:59] <ritalin> i keep getting this error
[12:59] <bob2> not that expensive
[12:59] <bob2> and way way way way way way less hassle
[12:59] <Xappe> ok
[01:00] <ritalin> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[01:00] <ritalin> any ideas?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> ritalin: sudo apt-get install build-essentail
[01:00] <thoreauputic> build-essential
[01:00] <thoreauputic> sorry
[01:00] <thoreauputic> ritalin: you'll probably need X dev libraries as well
[01:01] <bob2> (xlibs-dev)
[01:01] <ritalin> cool ty
[01:01] <thoreauputic> ritalin: I suggest you us checkinstall too
[01:02] <ritalin> checkinstall? isnt that a slackware thingy?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> ritalin: BTW I have  a deb if you want it
[01:02] <thoreauputic> ritalin: not just slack :)
[01:02] <bob2> or just install it to /usr/local/fluxbox/
[01:02] <ritalin> thoreauputic: you have 9.12 .deb?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> ritalin: I do - compiled on warty but should work
[01:02] <thoreauputic> you want to try it?
[01:03] <ritalin> sure!
[01:03] <thoreauputic> OK I'm on dialup but it's only about 700kb
[01:03] <ritalin> k
[01:03] <Q_Continuum> enough with this system - we've got a new box to fsck with.
[01:03] <Q_Continuum> we don't even know what processor it has.
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ritalin: offering...
[01:04] <thoreauputic> connected!
[01:04] <ritalin> success!
[01:04] <ritalin> <3 irssi
[01:04] <joerg>  Hi
[01:04] <ritalin> i just guessed that dcc get would work :P
[01:04] <Q_Continuum> it's a Pentium D Extreme Edition with an ATI Radeon 850 with 1GB of DDR2 from Intel....dear god...
[01:04] <Q_Continuum> we don't know what the processor is.  But 3Dmark 2005 is running at 35+ FPS in the ship battle scene.
[01:05] <thoreauputic> ritalin: it has a weird version name courtesy checkinstall - just tab complete it ;)
[01:05] <Q_Continuum> switching users.
[01:05] <ritalin> thoreauputic: k
[01:06] <ritalin> i never installed a .deb before that wasnt already in the repository
[01:06] <ritalin> anything special i should do?
[01:06] <Dethread> dpkg -i :)
[01:06] <thoreauputic> ritalin: also it won't appear in gdm: you'll need to make a ~?.xsession file and choose system default session
[01:06] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:07] <ritalin> I hate gdm anyways
[01:07] <ritalin> how the hell do you turn it off?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> ritalin: ~/.xsession I meant of course
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ritalin: OK looks like it got there
[01:08] <ritalin> thoreauputic: doh!
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ritalin: you could just do apt-get remove gdm I suppose...
[01:08] <ritalin> I forgot to mention im on ppc.....
[01:09] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:09] <thoreauputic> important error ...
[01:09] <ritalin> heh
[01:09] <thoreauputic> ritalin: as it happens I have one for ppc as well
[01:09] <thoreauputic> if you can wait a bit
[01:09] <ritalin> thoreauputic: sure mate
[01:09] <ritalin> thanx
[01:09] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:10] <bob2> thoreauputic: if you were using hoary... ;-p
[01:11] <thoreauputic> bob2: all in good time .... :)
[01:15] <thoreauputic> ritalin: OK sending
[01:15] <ritalin> k
[01:16] <ritalin> when its done just sudo dkpg -i ?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> ritalin: yes
[01:16] <ritalin> k
[01:17] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay guys...quick question.
[01:17] <Q_Continuum> Does ubuntu amd64 support (natively) smp?
[01:17] <Q_Continuum> and if not, how do I get it on there?
[01:17] <Q_Continuum> the box I mentioned earlier is about to get ubuntu installed.
[01:17] <ritalin> removing gdm removes ubuntu-desktop
[01:18] <Fergy> if it's not in there the only way I can think of to get is compile te stuff yourself...
[01:18] <ritalin> do I need ubuntu-desktop?
[01:18] <cirkit_> can we do apt--get install xmms-skins ?
[01:18] <Q_Continuum> fergy, did you happen to see the specs? lol
[01:18] <mjr> ritalin, not really, except for dist-upgrades
[01:18] <ritalin> cool
[01:18] <Fergy> nopes
[01:19] <thoreauputic> ritalin: OK looks like it made it :)
[01:19] <Q_Continuum> Intel Pentium D Extreme Edition Dual-core with 1GB of DDR2, and a Radeon X850
[01:20] <Q_Continuum> sent to my good dear friend by his good dear friends at intel.
[01:20] <Q_Continuum> Windows shows 4 processors...
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> because it's stupid
[01:20] <Fergy> well lets encode 2 movies and play doom3 at the same time
[01:20] <Q_Continuum> dual-core (each core has HT)
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> hyper threading is a minor feature
[01:21] <ritalin> seems to have install ok thoreauputic
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> to classify it as another CPU is ludicrous
[01:21] <Dethread> who needs stuff like that
[01:21] <thoreauputic> ritalin: good :)
[01:21] <ritalin> brb, hopefully on flux
[01:21] <Q_Continuum> dude...that processor ALONE cost $1200...and I'm about to put ubuntu on for s**ts'n'giggles.
[01:21] <Fergy> Dethread its very handy when a process takes 100% cpu
[01:21] <Q_Continuum> heh
[01:21] <Fergy> it won't freeze a HT cpu
[01:21] <Q_Continuum> this is going to be FUUUUUNNNN
[01:21] <Dethread> many processes do
[01:22] <Q_Continuum> how many of you guys wish you were here?  should I document with pictures? ^.^ lol
[01:22] <Fergy> no I just wish I had that machine
[01:22] <Q_Continuum> lol
[01:22] <Q_Continuum> I wish I did too.
[01:22] <Q_Continuum> sadly, I have to leave it here.
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[01:23] <Fergy> don't like to wait until something is compressed or encoded
[01:23] <Q_Continuum> but...I can come play with it often :-)
[01:23] <cirkit_> hmm
[01:23] <Fergy> games run fast enough but encoding just seems too slow to me
[01:23] <Q_Continuum> so....once I get it installed, I'll hafta get the fglrx drivers installed...what games could I really test linux's ability to power an ati video card?
[01:24] <Q_Continuum> quake III? lol
[01:24] <Fergy> well you haven't got a lot of choice...
[01:24] <Fergy> doom3 ut2004 and stuff
[01:24] <Q_Continuum> I left my ut2k4 dvd at home, gonna hafta be doom3.
[01:25] <Fergy> you carry that with you? ;)
[01:25] <cirkit_> i know that dpkg -i package.deb is to install but what about to uninstall and upgrade
[01:25] <mjr> cusco,
[01:25] <mjr> oops
[01:26] <Q_Continuum> no, they've got doom3 here in the house.
[01:26] <Q_Continuum> but not ut2k4...I don't know what's wrong with them.
[01:26] <jacquesmerde> is ndiswrapper as easy to use as it looks in ubuntu? just do a ndiswrapper -i driver.inf && ndiswrapper -m && reboot.....and presto?
[01:26] <Q_Continuum> hey, I could play tuxracer ^.^
[01:26] <Q_Continuum> yup jacq
[01:26] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: do you really have that file for me?
[01:26] <Q_Continuum> yeah...which one was it?
[01:26] <mjr> Q_Continuum, you could probably play tuxracer with an insane resolution, too ;)
[01:27] <Q_Continuum> considering it's attached to a 22" CRT, yes I could.
[01:27] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you don't need to uninstall if it's an upgrade
[01:27] <transgress> does anyone know how to burn a .img dvd with gnomebaker... or even commandline would work
[01:27] <Q_Continuum> jacquesmerde, what file did you need?
[01:27] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: bcmwl5.inf? or bcmwl5a.inf? do you have the .sys's too?
[01:27] <Q_Continuum> I've got the whole directory right here.
[01:28] <Q_Continuum> are you on i386 or amd64?
[01:28] <Q_Continuum> this is the 32-bit version that I've got (64-bit went *poof* with my home directory an hour ago)
[01:28] <sikor_sxe> how can i switch x resolutions in hoary?
[01:28] <ritalin> back
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ritalin: success?
[01:29] <sikor_sxe> i did reconfigure the xserver to have 3 different resolutions
[01:29] <ritalin> thoreauputic: yeah but it seems to run really slow for fluxbox
[01:29] <sikor_sxe> but pressing ctrl-alt-+/- won't do anything
[01:29] <thoreauputic> odd
[01:29] <ritalin> like slower then gnome which is crazy
[01:29] <Q_Continuum> sikor_sxe, system->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[01:30] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: i386...is that a problem?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> ritalin: weird - I wonder if compiling it on warty means it isn't quite right for hoary?
[01:30] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: if not, gimme gimme gimme
[01:30] <ritalin> no clue
[01:30] <Q_Continuum> no, just if you had a 64-bit system installed, you'd need to find the 64-bit drivers.
[01:31] <Q_Continuum> quick - what's the command to tar up a directory?  tar -
[01:31] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: haha...i can NEVER remember. i have to do a man tar EVERY time!
[01:31] <ritalin> thoreauputic: ahh it aint to bad
[01:31] <thoreauputic> ritalin: I assume you don't want the fluxbox in the hoary repos? Or isn't it available for ppc?
[01:31] <ritalin> only thing that makes it slow down is switching themes
[01:32] <ritalin> thoreauputic: 9.11 is whats in repos
[01:32] <sikor_sxe> Q_Continuum: i don't mean this. i mean changing resolutions natively. using the gnome or kde applet, the overlay display won't work anymore
[01:32] <ritalin> which lacks fluxbox-generate-menu
[01:32] <sikor_sxe> i successfully did this on suse
[01:32] <thoreauputic> ritalin: yes
[01:32] <sikor_sxe> i pressed ctrl-alt-+ and the resolution changed
[01:32] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: actually, i installed ubuntu, then added ndiswrapper-utils which was already in uninstalled package form on my hdd. now it wants the XP drivers...
[01:32] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: what card do you have?
[01:32] <Q_Continuum> integrated 802.11b/g with my emachine m6805.
[01:33] <Q_Continuum> dunno specifics.
[01:33] <Q_Continuum> what files all do you need?
[01:33] <Q_Continuum> I think it was just two - in which case I can NOT tar them up.
[01:33] <hunger> Now new breezy debs in the last couple of days? Or is my mirror not following?
[01:34] <Q_Continuum> bcmwl5, or 5a?
[01:34] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: can i have both? and .inf's AND .sys's? so 4 files if you have all four?
[01:34] <Q_Continuum> sure.
[01:34] <jacquesmerde> i have a feeling its gonna take me a few tries...
[01:35] <Q_Continuum> give me an email to shoot it to - here or in a /msg
[01:35] <jacquesmerde> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[01:35] <ritalin> thoreauputic: i take it back its fast!
[01:35] <ritalin> i can tell  apps load quite a bit faster
[01:35] <thoreauputic> ritalin: :)
[01:35] <Q_Continuum> I don't know why, but I don't have a 5a.sys
[01:36] <warriorfr> somebody have sound on streaming firefox ???
[01:38] <ritalin> k night time for me
[01:38] <ritalin> ty for help thoreauputic
[01:39] <thoreauputic> ritalin: you're welcome - glad to know other people benefit from my compiling efforts
[01:43] <syltty> is gcc source.c -static -march=i386 enought to compile binary which would run on pentium, AMD...?
[01:45] <Xappe> http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,639603,00.html
[01:45] <Xappe> oh, sorry, wrong channel
[01:46] <fabbione> syltty: gcc souce.c is enough if you are not cross compiling.
[01:47] <syltty> fabbione:but will it run on another machine which may not have the same dev libs installed ?
[01:47] <fabbione> syltty: it needs to have the same libs, yes.. but -static is not the solution. installing the proper libraries is
[01:47] <olaff> wich version of cedega.deb should i install ?
[01:48] <fabbione> there is no need of lib-devs to run.. that's only to compile
[01:48] <syltty> fabbione: thanks for the info
[01:48] <fabbione> no problem
[01:51] <sikor_sxe> how can i change screen resolution (in my x.org config file there are yet 3 resolutions). i cannot use the randr extension aka the kde or gnome applet however (messes up the xv display), i rather need the good old ctrl-alt-+/- method to work. pressing ctrl-alt-+/- accomplishes nothing however. so how do i change x resolution natively?
[01:52] <olaff> how do i install a .deb file?
[01:52] <mvirkkil> sikor_sxe: The ctrl + should work
[01:52] <mvirkkil> sikor_sxe: No need for alt.
[01:52] <Fator_Dee> olaff: dpkg -i debfile
[01:52] <mvirkkil> sikor_sxe: Just
[01:52] <olaff> thanks
[01:54] <sikor_sxe> mvirkkil: it doesn't
[01:56] <kynes> which command can I use to a user on a computer
[01:56] <kynes> I tried talk but
[01:56] <kynes> I want to msg him
[01:56] <kynes> not make a conversation
[01:56] <thoreauputic> kynes: write
[01:56] <kynes> how will I end the thing I write
[01:57] <pamri> hi, has anyone here tried booting the kubuntu live cd from the hard disk (poor man's install)?
[01:57] <mvirkkil> sikor_sxe: What does the log say?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ctrl-d or ctrl-c - I forget
[01:57] <thoreauputic> or a dot on a separate line, kynes
[01:57] <pamri> I get a kernel-panic-not syncing  error. It works with DSL live cd, though.
[01:58] <mvirkkil> sikor_sxe: It might be that xorg only recognizes one resolution as compatible with your monitor (an LCD for example)
[01:58] <sikor_sxe> mvirkkil: well i thought so too, but it worked perfectly well in suse linux on the same machine
[01:59] <sikor_sxe> mvirkkil: and there is no message in the logs
[01:59] <kynes> thanks
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kynes: wall will blat a msg to everyone
[02:00] <thoreauputic> very annoying
[02:00] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:01] <olaff> what version of cedega should i download?
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> the latest one?
[02:01] <bob2> olaff: the version you paid for
[02:02] <mvirkkil> mvirkkil: So you checked the xorg log?
[02:03] <mvirkkil> sikor_sxe: So you checked the xorg log?
[02:04] <sikor_sxe> mvirkkil: yeah, there's nothing in it
[02:04] <sikor_sxe> like ctrl-alt-+ triggers nothing
[02:06] <jacquesmerde> crap! i am SO close to getting ndiswrapper working...why doesnt ubuntu see the file on my floppy? why??
[02:07] <sikor_sxe> dang, that resolution switching is crucial for me, as the tv out won't work in 1024x768.
[02:07] <bob2> did you mount it?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: try just doing   dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/jacquesmerde
[02:07] <bob2> er
[02:07] <bob2> that won't work
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> no it won't
[02:07] <sikor_sxe> i really like ubuntu and i'd hate to switch back to suse just b/c of this silly resolution thingie ;(
[02:07] <thoreauputic> bob2: why not?
[02:08] <bob2> thoreauputic: /home/jacquesmerde/ probably exists and is a directory
[02:08] <thoreauputic> oops
[02:08] <thoreauputic> yes a file is needed sorry
[02:08] <bob2> you want 'sudo mount /floppy' or whatever it's called nowadays
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> sikor_sxe: when your TV is plugged in
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> sikor_sxe: it will detect the other mods
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> modes
[02:09] <sikor_sxe> HrdwrBoB: nope it doesn't
[02:09] <sikor_sxe> well
[02:10] <sikor_sxe> switching resolutions works using the randr extension of xorg
[02:10] <sikor_sxe> but using randr destroys the xv overlay display, which you need for watching movies
[02:11] <kynes> what I gotta do to make talk work??
[02:14] <thoreauputic> kynes: talkd maybe?
[02:14] <sikor_sxe> ah, well. doesn't seem to work
[02:14] <thoreauputic> You might need the server component, kynes for a remote system...
[02:15] <tbasten> dazzed, hey mate
[02:17] <guruff> hi
[02:19] <tbasten> hey
[02:19] <tbasten> sup?
[02:19] <guruff> would anyone have any idea (i have asked previosly) why? <- why? in ubuntu when i scrool any window holding an arrow (arrow up, arrow down whatever) ubuntu gets sooo slopy, i can't see text scroling fluently but some screenshots of, and cpu goes to 100% <- why ?!? i get kern for my cup 686, and running xorg in 16b(which sould be heaps fast), but apart from that no ideas.
[02:19] <guruff> whatta
[02:20] <guruff> would anyone have any idea (i have asked previosly) why? in ubuntu when i scrool any window holding an arrow (arrow up, arrow down whatever) ubuntu gets sooo slopy, i can't see text scroling fluently but some screenshots of, and cpu goes to 100% <- why ?!? i get kern for my cup 686, and running xorg in 16b(which sould be heaps fast), but apart from that no ideas.
[02:20] <usynic> guruff: what kind of video card?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> kynes: for a quick message you can do   ssh <IP or host> xmessage -display :0  "message here"
[02:20] <dell500> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) <-- anyone know what this is??
[02:21] <usynic> dell500: what text comes before it?
[02:21] <usynic> there should be a descriptive error.
[02:21] <guruff> usynic; trident cyberblade i1 agp
[02:21] <usynic> guruff: so the trident chipset?  Is it onboard?
[02:21] <dell500> /var/cache/apt/archives/flex-old_2.5.4a-6_i386.deb
[02:21] <dell500> a bunch of those
[02:21] <dell500> lol
[02:21] <dell500> sorry i just woke up :)
[02:21] <usynic> Delgul: paste the whole thing to a pastebin
[02:22] <guruff> usynic; yes it is compaq armada 110 laptop (old one from 2002)
[02:22] <dell500> usynic, what's a pastebin?
[02:22] <usynic> guruff: sounds like your card just has a crappy driver or something in xorg - I'd google and see if anyone has the same problem
[02:23] <usynic> dell500: http://www.rafb.net/paste
[02:24] <guruff> usynic; see, that's what i taought, but there arent many drivers around, i have tried couple older ones - the same. i have asked on xorg but they have no clue, i don't thinks it is trident related, i havn't had this problem on my gentoo build
[02:24] <guruff> *thinks = thinks
[02:25] <dell500> usynic, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HAtGdI35.html
[02:25] <usynic> guruff: wild stab in the dark... but is dma enabled on your main drive?
[02:25] <guruff> usynic; yes hdparm -d /dev/hda (this is my only drive) returns 1
[02:26] <usynic> dell500: you using apt or just running dpkg -i ?
[02:27] <dell500> usynic, sudo apt-get install cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev
[02:28] <dell500> i thought it would work cause ubuntu uses debian packaging right?
[02:28] <dell500> i woke up this morning to the msttcorefonts setup
[02:28] <dell500> so it might of messed up there, i'm not sure
[02:28] <usynic> do you have debian repos in your sources.list?
[02:28] <bob2> something is really really screwed
[02:28] <dell500> ya i think so
[02:29] <bob2> plus, you didn't show us the whole apt output
[02:29] <bob2> so we can't help you
[02:29] <usynic> dell500: that may be part of the problem.
[02:29] <dell500> k, hold on
[02:29] <robertj> is there a way I can make a remote hard drive show up as local on a given machine so I can clone disks using dd?
[02:30] <buti> is there a nice way to install (k)ubuntu from nfs?
[02:30] <dell500> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/D2wtbW59.html
[02:31] <alex> how does one unmount an extended partition so as to be able to resize it?
[02:31] <bob2> extended partitions dont get mounted
[02:31] <buti> alex: what exactly does extended mean? what's the mount point?
[02:31] <bob2> dell500: your disk is toast or someone deleted stuff from under apt
[02:32] <dell500> bob2, that's not good
[02:32] <dell500> i think i need to put up a firewall
[02:32] <bob2> no
[02:32] <bob2> don't be silly
[02:33] <alex> buti: i don't know the mount point, but wwhen i try to resize  it with qtparted it shows an error that the partition is alread y being used
[02:34] <alex> buti: my swap partition is within an extended partition
[02:34] <bob2> alex: more likely you've mounted something from within the extended partition
[02:34] <bob2> then unmount it
[02:34] <bob2> and make sure you shut enough stuff down that you can run without swap
[02:34] <alex> bob2: how?
[02:35] <guruff> gota go, trying to kill my video card (maby high voltage will help :P )
[02:35] <alex> bob2: should i unmount it in console?
[02:35] <Florsch> does anyone know streamtuner?
[02:36] <tbasten> dazzed, dude, u there or passed out?
[02:36] <usynic> Florsch: yup
[02:36] <dell500> so should I try doing the same command again and see if the same error comes up?
[02:36] <bob2> alex: swapoff it
[02:36] <bob2> dell500: yes
[02:36] <Fator_Dee> Florsch: I use it occasionally
[02:36] <alex> bob2: swapoff /dev/hda5?
[02:37] <Florsch> hi usynic...i have a problem with it...i can only listen to stations which are given by the programm, but not to playlist i know
[02:37] <thoreauputic> alex: if that's your swap partition ; you will need sudo I think
[02:37] <usynic> huh?
[02:37] <dell500> bob2, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Dr8fc665.html
[02:37] <tbasten> thoreauputic, hee dude
[02:37] <dell500> unmet dependencies
[02:38] <Florsch> hm under shoutcast there are a lot of stations, but if i want another radio stream...i don't know how to connect!
[02:38] <buti> alex: what about using a live cd for such things?
[02:38] <Florsch> a stream which isn't listed in the programm
[02:38] <buti> alex: i suspect that would be a lot easier to you.
[02:38] <dell500> just did apt-get -f install, updated the dependencies, looks good so far :)
[02:38] <usynic> Florsch: then you just use xmms... that's all streamtuner does.
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Florsch: you need to find the url for it
[02:39] <usynic> dell500: be sure to get the debian repos out of there...
[02:39] <dell500> gedit what??
[02:39] <bob2> dell500: put your sources.list somewhere
[02:39] <dell500> like what's the path
[02:39] <jeroen_> Florsch: I suggest beep-media-player if you use gnome
[02:39] <bob2> dell500: and please please please tell me you're not being silly and using Debian package sources
[02:39] <Florsch> i have the url...but if i want to do a new preselection it doesn't work
[02:39] <dell500> it looks like i've already been sily
[02:40] <Florsch> with xmms i can listen to it, but not with streamtuner
[02:40] <jeroen_> Florsch: It's XMMS for GNOME
[02:40] <dell500> bob2: it works with no errors
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Florsch: you just use copy paste
[02:40] <usynic> Florsch: streamtuner does not play music
[02:40] <Florsch> yes i know, but i want to start it with streamtuner
[02:40] <bob2> dell500: what "works"?
[02:41] <Florsch> because than i could bookmark it
[02:41] <dell500> it installed the fonts for it
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Florsch: make a new preselection, put the url in,  then bookmark it
[02:42] <Florsch> yes i tried an than it ask me for a file
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Florsch: under stream, select new preselection: there's a space for the url in the dialog that pops up
[02:43] <Florsch> yes there i put the url
[02:43] <dell500> bob2, should i uninstall or remove those packages i just installed??
[02:43] <bob2> dell500: I have no idea what you've done
[02:43] <dell500> because they are for debian users online
[02:43] <dell500> lol
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Florsch: then click OK - that's all thereis to it
[02:43] <dell500> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[02:44] <dell500> maybe that will help
[02:44] <bob2> I'm so not interested in reading a forum to help you
[02:44] <thoreauputic> Florsch: it should show in preselections, then you bookmark it
[02:44] <dell500> it's not a forum
[02:44] <Florsch> yes after doing it, and double clicking on it to start it, a new dialog pops up and ask for a file...
[02:44] <dell500> nvm, i got work
[02:44] <dell500> i'll figure it out later
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Florsch: then you made a mistake
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Florsch: it does that if it can't find it
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Florsch: make sure the url is correct
[02:46] <Florsch> can it be, that the ending listen.pls is wrong?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Florsch: heh - that's a plylist, not an URL
[02:47] <thoreauputic> *playlist
[02:47] <usynic> thoreauputic: lots of streams use playlists.... and they add a few mirrors to your queue
[02:48] <Florsch> yes, the full url is longer...that is only the end...
[02:48] <thoreauputic> usynic: yes I know
[02:49] <thoreauputic> Florsch: you might need to download the playlist and look at it in a text editor to find the url
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Florsch: typically there are several url in th efile
[02:50] <Florsch> ok i will have a try
[02:52] <Florsch> ok thx a lot
[02:52] <Florsch> now it works
[02:52] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:52] <buti> so.. are there no alternatives to an installation from cd?
[02:53] <bob2> you can netboot
[02:53] <buti> bob2: well, i can boot from cd-rom... but the drive is almost dead.. so at some point when copying it will stop..
[02:54] <buti> i'd like to boot from cdrom, but install via nfs :-)
[02:56] <yonil> what should i change in menu.lst to make a different default ?
[02:56] <usynic> buti: maybe see if you can just install the base (type server at the boot prompt)
[02:57] <bretzel> Good Morning! :-)
[02:57] <usynic> yonil: the "default" entry.
[02:57] <usynic> 12 lines from the top.
[02:57] <yonil> usynic, thanks
[02:57] <yonil> usynic, 0 means the top one, 1 is the 2nd one etc. ?
[02:57] <usynic> yeah
[02:58] <buti> usynic: i'll first try to burn a cd with 1x, nfs is only the 2nd option.
[02:58] <buti> usynic: maybe i can just alter fstab to trick it to mount nfs :-)
[03:02] <moomin> hello
[03:03] <bubi> hi
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> ?? java
[03:03] <[uhelp] > java: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java -OR- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats. You may also use apt-get to install 'java-package' which will take a linux binary copy of JRE from http://java.sun.com and create a debian package (make-jpkg).
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> bubi: ^^^
[03:03] <k31th> yo
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> bubi: ok now ?
[03:03] <bubi> yeh tnx
[03:04] <mattgirv> lol @ xcruise :D
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> why does the stupid [uhelp]  bot keep changing names ? first it was [uhelper]  then uhelp and not this! LAME
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> bubi: np
[03:04] <rudi> Hello!
[03:04] <bubi> hi
[03:05] <moomin> yo
[03:05] <rudi> I'am here new, and i speak english only little bit. ;-)
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> rudi: which is ur main language ?
[03:06] <rudi> Slovak.
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> rudi: the iso code for ur language is ? sl ?
[03:06] <gdh> rudi: You already speak better English than many native speakers :)
[03:06] <rudi> sk
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> join #ubuntu-sk if it exists, rudi
[03:07] <rudi> Thanks.
[03:07] <rudi> Any moment. ;-)
[03:07] <rudi> Slovakia is very small country. ;-)
[03:07] <thoreauputic> it doesn't exist, unfortunately
[03:08] <thoreauputic> I mean the channel, not the country :)
[03:08] <rudi> Ubuntu-sk is empty, only rudi is here.
[03:08] <thoreauputic> indeed
[03:08] <rudi> ;-(
[03:09] <rudi> Ubuntu is really good distrubution, in fact. Thanks all!
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: lol
[03:10] <moomin> just looked at the ubuntu installers from the website, there's no net install?
[03:11] <NeWiTa> rudi: then you can be the founder of #ubuntu-sk
[03:12] <NeWiTa> rudi: btw, i'm portuguese, european buddy
[03:12] <rudi> ;-)
[03:13] <rudi> sudo apt-get supertux ;-)
[03:14] <sobersabre> hey
[03:14] <rudi> sobersabre: Hello.
[03:14] <moomin> hello
[03:14] <rudi> Moomin: Hello.
[03:15] <sobersabre> any nis pros in here ?
[03:15] <sobersabre> NIS
[03:15] <rudi> Is in Universe apt-source any really good peer 2 peer client? I have Gnutella, and is here any next?
[03:16] <wdh> rudi, depends on what you want..
[03:16] <usynic> rudi: apollon is pretty good...
[03:16] <rudi> wdh: European old music. ;-!
[03:16] <rudi> Apollon?
[03:16] <usynic> yeah, apollon supports gnutella, fasttrack (kazaa), and openft
[03:17] <rudi> Uf, Apollon is KDE based (qt).. ;-(((
[03:17] <wdh> rudi, for music, i would recommend soulseek.. not as good as it used to be.. but still quite nice
[03:17] <usynic> rudi: so?  you don't have to install or use KDE
[03:17] <rudi> usynic: Gnome.
[03:17] <wdh> usynic, its quite memory consuming though :P
[03:18] <rudi> wdh: soulseek is not in universe?
[03:18] <usynic> hogwash... I used it on my 500mhz/128MB RAM laptop just fine
[03:18] <wdh> rudi, but usynic is right.. it doesnt have to be a problem..
[03:18] <wdh> rudi, owh.. soulseek is the network.. nicotine is the client
[03:19] <rudi> Ok, i go look for usynic and nicotine.
[03:19] <usynic> there's also amule... but I don't know anything about it
[03:19] <usynic> ... heard it's good
[03:19] <yomama> has anyone got mplayer to work with ac3 in hoary?
[03:20] <rudi> Ok, i getting nicotine and amule. ;-) Downloading...
[03:20] <wdh> yomama, no.. but then again, i never tried :P
[03:21] <yomama> i heard alot of people  had problems with that
[03:21] <rudi> urggggggh, amule is based on old gtk?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> rudi: looks like nicotine is gtk2
[03:22] <rudi> with icons from windows, ugh.
[03:22] <wdh> rudi, there are other emule clients
[03:22] <lexxan> yomama, works fine for me.
[03:22] <wdh> rudi: apt-cache search emule
[03:23] <rudi> i have now nicotine downloaded, new gtk..
[03:24] <rudi__> connect is disabled. ;-(
[03:25] <wdh> rudi__, setup your prefs first
[03:26] <rudi__> yes, i have closed port 2240.. ;-(
[03:26] <wdh> rudi__, just untick the box before 'i can receive direct connections'
[03:27] <rudi__> i untick and connect is disabled..
[03:27] <yomama> mplayer crashes with th message: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[03:27] <lexxan> yomama, You install it from multiverse?
[03:28] <wdh> rudi__, did you fill in a username/password?
[03:28] <sobersabre> so people, as i understand: ubuntu - the gnome based system, kubuntu - same same kde based system.... right ?
[03:28] <rudi__> wdh, no.
[03:28] <Kled> hi people
[03:28] <Kled> ;)
[03:28] <sobersabre> hi Kled.. nice smile... what do you need ?
[03:29] <lexxan> sobersabre, ya.
[03:29] <wdh> rudi__, then do that :)
[03:29] <Kled> :(
[03:29] <sobersabre> how can I locate postal index in London ?
[03:29] <rudi__> wdh, i fill this arrays and connect is disabled.
[03:30] <wdh> sobersabre, exactly that.. ubuntu -> kubuntu == apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-
[03:30] <sobersabre> there's n3, and there's something after it.  i have street address.. is there a website to fill the rest ?
[03:30] <Mr_T> who here mounts a windows partition from ubuntu?
[03:30] <sobersabre> Mr_T: i do...
[03:30] <wdh> rudi__, show some initiative..
[03:30] <sobersabre> Mr_T: why ask ?
[03:31] <Mr_T> sobersabre, do you get a shortcut on your desktop?
[03:31] <rudi__> wdh, i trying firewall unblocking, restarting.. and no effect..
[03:31] <Mr_T> the same as CD
[03:31] <traxen> guys, I need major help. when installing ubuntu, I reached the partition page. In the manual partition area... how do I choose which partition ubuntu should install to?
[03:31] <sobersabre> no. why would I ?
[03:31] <Kled> sobersabre , you are Alex?
[03:31] <wdh> Mr_T, i used to.. and i did not have a shortcut on my desktop..
[03:31] <Mr_T> because it used to in Hoary
[03:31] <wdh> Mr_T, but it totally depends on your settings
[03:31] <jacquesmerde> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....ndiswrapper......grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:32] <ViVseSosete> i'm super man !!! ~.^
[03:32] <rudi__> uaaaa, connecting!
[03:32] <Mr_T> wdh, any idea how to enable it?
[03:32] <sobersabre> Mr_T:  drag the icon from "computer" to desktop...
[03:32] <wdh> Mr_T, hold on
[03:32] <sobersabre> works ?
[03:32] <rudi__> wdh, The server seems to be down or not responding, retrying in 30 seconds.
[03:32] <wdh> rudi__, ok.. at least you got your client to try to connect :)
[03:32] <yomama> lexxan, yes
[03:32] <wdh> rudi__, this might be a firewall issue
[03:32] <ViVseSosete> we are like vodka?
[03:32] <ViVseSosete> or cold beer
[03:33] <Kled> I like the martini
[03:33] <thoreauputic> traxen: that's kind of general - normally you would choose a partition that has free space or one you don't need
[03:33] <rudi__> wdh, i have opened 2240 TCP and UDP.
[03:33] <ViVseSosete> huli vi takie umnie
[03:33] <traxen> thoreuputic, I already have 3 partitions. swap, winxp and ext3
[03:33] <traxen> the problem is
[03:33] <traxen> how do you choose which partition to write it to?
[03:33] <rudi__> wdh, Can't connect to server server.slsk.org:2240 -5 No address associated with hostname.
[03:34] <thoreauputic> traxen: well, the ext3 one is the linux filesystem
[03:34] <traxen> there isn't an obvious option that says, "write ubuntu here" or something like that
[03:34] <traxen> right
[03:34] <wdh> rudi__, then get your dns-server fixed
[03:34] <Kled> FUCKING FAGGOTS
[03:34] <Kled> YOU ARE SUCKERS
[03:34] <rudi__> wdh, ????
[03:34] <wdh> rudi__, can you even ping that url?
[03:34] <Kled> AND FUCKING BITCHE
[03:34] <lexxan> Kled, Please calm down.
[03:34] <Kled> BITCHES
[03:34] <gdh> Kled: Well done. have a noodle :)
[03:34] <Kled> SORRY
[03:34] <usynic> [synic@manetheren ~] $ ping server.slsk.org
[03:34] <usynic> ping: unknown host server.slsk.org
[03:34] <thoreauputic> bob2 : ops !!
[03:34] <Kled> i'm just hungry
[03:34] <Kled> ;)
[03:34] <gdh> Kled: Have two noodles, then :)
[03:35] <Kled> ;))
[03:35] <rudi__> wdh, moment..
[03:35] <wdh> wouter@ubuntu:~/Downloads$ ping server.slsknet.org
[03:35] <wdh> PING sk2.slsknet.org (38.115.131.131) 56(84) bytes of data.
[03:35] <wdh> 64 bytes from 38.115.131.131: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=273 ms
[03:35] <gdh> wdh: that's a different hostname
[03:35] <Kled> ARGH
[03:35] <Kled> I"M HUNGRY
[03:35] <rudi__> sdh, PING sk2.slsknet.org (38.115.131.131) 56(84) bytes of data.
[03:35] <rudi__> 64 bytes from 38.115.131.131: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=131 ms ; 64 bytes from 38.115.131.131: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=130 ms
[03:35] <Kled> !!!!!!
[03:35] <ViVseSosete>   ;)
[03:36] <ViVseSosete>    , 
[03:36] <wdh> gdh, thats the one my nicotine uses :)
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Kled: you are on thin ice my friend...
[03:36] <Kled> What did you say?
[03:36] <wdh> so rudi__, you could try that one :)
[03:36] <ViVseSosete>     ?
[03:36] <gdh> Kled: no bellybutton fluff you could tuck into? or some toejam ?
[03:36] <ViVseSosete> 
[03:36] <gdh> Kled: Still hungry? :)
[03:36] <Kled> yeap
[03:36] <gdh> gosh
[03:36] <ViVseSosete> he's big troll
[03:37] <rudi__> wdh, connected - i restarted nicotine, and it works. but "can not log in" and next i am disconnected.
[03:37] <wdh> rudi__, could be a password issue.. try something that you _know_ is unique..
[03:37] <|deftones|> poor troll...
[03:37] <jacquesmerde> question, i do sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp as the wiki tells me to do, but i get a error, bash: debian/temp permission: denied
[03:38] <traxen> anyone wants to help me?
[03:38] <rudi__> wdh, can not log in, reason: INVALID PASS and i have no password.
[03:38] <lexxan> jacquesmerde, using sudo?
[03:38] <wdh> traxen, with what?
[03:38] <J[A] ger> G'day i'm just wondering if installing Adsl is easy with Ubuntu?
[03:38] <lexxan> ?? adsl
[03:38] <[uhelp] > adsl: To install an adsl/PPPoE client see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[03:38] <gdh> rudi__: choose another username
[03:38] <traxen> wdh, with what I wrote above
[03:38] <wdh> rudi__, try a unique username
[03:38] <gdh> rudi__: just add random numbers to your user...
[03:38] <wdh> rudi__, something like abkjdflkjlaskdjfoid
[03:38] <wdh> :)
[03:39] <J[A] ger> Thats uhelp
[03:39] <rudi__> gdh, username: rudi02938 and password: jkdshfkfd
[03:39] <rudi__> gdh,wdh: and no effect.
[03:39] <jacquesmerde> lexxan: yup!
[03:39] <jacquesmerde> lexxan: please help, i'm trying to get my computer online
[03:39] <rudi__> wdh, gdh: IT WORKS!!!!!
[03:39] <thoreauputic> traxen: as I said, choose the ext3 partition
[03:40] <ivoks> grrrr... this is killingme :)
[03:40] <traxen> thoreauputic, yeah I know that.. but how? There is no option to choose a partition
[03:40] <ivoks> fucking bitchx
[03:40] <traxen> in the manual area
[03:40] <traxen> it lists all the partitions I have
[03:40] <traxen> but nothing to let me choose a particular partition
[03:40] <ivoks> what are commands to change window in bitchx?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> traxen: I think you need to use the spacebar to select
[03:40] <rudi__> wdh, gdh: I restarted nautilus and it works, uaaa. thanks for helping, very thanks. my linux distribution is in very bad status. ;-) as my english...
[03:40] <thoreauputic> traxen: arroes, spacebar
[03:41] <thoreauputic> *arrows
[03:41] <|deftones|> What is the best package manager?Apt or Portage?
[03:41] <traxen> thoreauputic, hmmm... alright then... I'll restart this computer and try to install it again
[03:41] <wdh> |deftones|, depends on who you ask :)
[03:41] <traxen> thoreauputic, thank you...
[03:41] <thoreauputic> |deftones|:  /j #distrowars
[03:41] <wdh> |deftones|, they have a completely different objective :)
[03:42] <|deftones|> wdh: with portage i can get precompiled packets?
[03:42] <wdh> |deftones|, do as thoreauputic says :)
[03:42] <wdh> not in the mood :P
[03:42] <thoreauputic> |deftones|: you can - but it's really a question for #gentoo
[03:43] <wdh> i like both portage and apt, but for different reasons..
[03:44] <sebix> hi, is there skype users in this room?
[03:45] <rudi__> wdh, gdh: for slovak / czech old music no results. ;-((((
[03:45] <thoreauputic> rudi__: google is your friend :)
[03:45] <wdh> rudi__, too bad..
[03:45] <gdh> rudi__: Not very surprising :) Soulseek was mainly formed as the fallout from AudioGalaxy Satellite... lots of electronica...
[03:45] <wdh> rudi__, www.justfuckinggoogleit.com :P
[03:46] <rudi__> ??
[03:46] <[uhelp] > ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] 
[03:46] <wdh> gdh, audiogalaxy was 'the bomb' :P
[03:46] <thoreauputic> wdh: be nice ;-)   :p
[03:46] <wdh> thoreauputic, just kidding :)
[03:46] <gdh> wdh: ho ho :)
[03:46] <wdh> gdh, at least i liked the webinterface/client part
[03:47] <thoreauputic> wdh: I admit that site is funny :)
[03:47] <flames> hi, i install acroread package, but i can't run acrobat reader, error: /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: Nincs ilyen fjl vagy knyvtr (this mean file/directory does not exist)
[03:47] <ivoks> wdh nice url :)
[03:47] <rudi__> audio gallaxy?
[03:48] <rudi__> wdh, gdh, thoreauputic: ??
[03:49] <thoreauputic> rudi__:  http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/   is a joke :) It's where you send clueless people who don't use a search engine - it was meant as a light-hearted giggle :)
[03:49] <thoreauputic> rudi__: it does exist in fact ;)
[03:50] <rudi__> thoreauputic: tststs ;-)
[03:50] <gdh> rudi__: audiogalaxy is a now-dead (well, effictively) filesharing network
[03:50] <gdh> it's all corporate-friendly subscription download service, I think
[03:50] <thoreauputic> gdh: does netcraft confirm it ;-) ?
[03:50] <rudi__> audiogalaxy? and is here client for linux?
 do you ever wish you'd just kept your mouth shut?
[03:51] <ivoks> cbr under gentoo u had udev
[03:51] <gdh> rudi__: Forget I mentioned it - <force> This is not the filesharing network you are looking for </force>
[03:52] <rudi__> gdh: ok.
[03:53] <toadi> can someone point me to a url that describes howto upgrade from debian/testing to new ubuntu release ?
[03:54] <toadi> browsing the wiki but can't find anything
[03:54] <thoreauputic> toadi: not recommended: if you have to ask, don't do it
[03:54] <lexxan> toadi, pretty sure you have to goto sid then hoary.
[03:54] <toadi> mhh
[03:55] <toadi> if i upgrade to sid itis possible ?
[03:55] <thoreauputic> toadi: be ready for a rough ride
[03:55] <toadi> i'm just going to install it clean then
[03:55] <thoreauputic> good idea
[03:55] <toadi> cos i got mixed system sarge/sid
[03:56] <toadi> i'm doubting it for a week now to install the new ubuntu
[03:56] <toadi> use debian for 2 years now on my laptop
[03:57] <martinhj> any plans for ubuntu using evince for default pdf-reader? seems nice
[03:57] <toadi> installed it on a desktop to check it out and i looks nice
[03:57] <martinhj> got a pdf-thumbnailer for dose who like such to
[03:57] <martinhj> for nautilus
[03:57] <traxen> When installing ubuntu, in the partition part, I chose manual. How do I choose which partition ubuntu should be installed on?
[03:58] <wdh> traxen, still no luck?
[03:58] <traxen> no
[03:58] <lexxan> traxen, evidently you should pick auto.
[03:58] <traxen> no
[03:58] <wdh> traxen, i cannot seem to remember it was that hard..
[03:58] <traxen> auto says it would delete my whole partition
[03:58] <toadi> i'm a bit attached to my debian installation, never reinstalled ...
[03:58] <thoreauputic> traxen: the arrows and spacebar didn't work for you?
[03:58] <traxen> no it didn't...
[03:59] <wdh> toadi, just save your settings :)
[03:59] <wdh> toadi, you'll probably be able to use some of them on ubuntu
[03:59] <thoreauputic> what happened when you tried it ?  << traxen
[03:59] <toadi> i have everything on my home dir
[03:59] <toadi> it's seperate
[03:59] <toadi> so i won't lose anything
[03:59] <jacquesmerde> anyone here use ndiswrapper?
[04:00] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: I do.
[04:00] <foxiness> martinhj, good Q :i dont know why Xpdf if not evince than gpdf i think its better for human beings:
[04:00] <traxen> thoreauputic, spacebar didn't do a thing... arrow keys took me to the "go back" option
[04:00] <traxen> so nothing to flag a certain partition as the one to install to
[04:01] <thoreauputic> traxen: I seem to recall you need to select, then use spacebar, but I may be wrong, it's been a while...
[04:01] <martinhj> foxiness: they got some reasons on the website, but can't recall what
[04:01] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: can you help me out? ndiswrapper -l shows me that driver and hardware are present, but i cant proceed from here
[04:01] <dcraven> martinhj: I think the idea is that evince will be the default eventually, probably 2.12.
[04:01] <foxiness> toadi, backup its good idea here i think :)
[04:01] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Can't proceed as in you don't know how? Or can't proceed as in it doesn't work?
[04:01] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i've done the ndiswrapper -m, the modprobe ndiswrapper, but i cant connect
[04:02] <traxen> thoreauputic, no.. it could be different now
[04:02] <foxiness> martinhj, what reasons ? stable
[04:02] <lexxan> ?? ndis
[04:02] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i'm not sure
[04:02] <[uhelp] > ndis: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[04:03] <martinhj> foxiness: no, some things you can not do with gpdf (I forgot to tell, it was xpdf compared with gpdf, not evince)
[04:03] <martinhj> I will install gpdf and compare
[04:03] <thoreauputic> traxen: hmm... I guess the installer could do with a bit more explanation then: there*is* a way to select, but I would have to fire up the installer to check
[04:03] <toadi> foxiness,  heh yes. But hopefully the ubuntu installer won't fuckup my /home
[04:03] <foxiness> is this " http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly " will fix me problem with sound on xchat2 or not
[04:03] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i cant ifup wlan0 (Ignoring unknown interfarce wlan0=wlan0)
[04:03] <traxen> thoreauputic, just a sec
[04:04] <toadi> going to phonder on it for another week prolly :D
[04:04] <jacquesmerde> what does that error message mean?
[04:04] <traxen> thoreauputic, http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=10
[04:04] <traxen> I have a screen similar to this
[04:04] <traxen> mine is very different
[04:05] <foxiness> toadi, my gnome2 or somthing break somthing be careful
[04:05] <traxen> oh no.. forget it.. this is the screenshot of the next step after partion manager
[04:05] <martinhj> dcraven: 2.12? isn't it up to ubuntu? or isn't evince "real gnome", just gtk or something?
[04:05] <martinhj> that means I connect 2.12 to gnome
[04:05] <martinhj> :-)
[04:05] <thoreauputic> traxen: that dialog you would just accept the default and move on...
[04:05] <wdh> traxen: i believe the selection takes place _after_ you changed the partition scheme
[04:05] <jacquesmerde> what is the iwconfig wlan0 channel supposed to be???
[04:06] <foxiness> after i edit my resolve by hand i can not get ride of "DHCP" on ubuntu5 why ?
[04:06] <wdh> traxen, partitionmanager just does what it says.. just like partitionmagic does not determine whether you use windows on which partitions..
[04:07] <traxen> wdh, there is an option for each partition that says
[04:07] <dcraven> martinhj: I suppose Ubuntu could make the change themselves if they really wanted to, but they wouldn't have to if GNOME made it default themselves. I think that is the plan.
[04:07] <traxen> that option is a drop down listbox
[04:07] <traxen> with "do not use" as default
[04:08] <thoreauputic> traxen: the changes won't be written to disk until you confirm them
[04:08] <martinhj> dcraven: ok, seems like a nice app, so I'm not against it:-)
[04:08] <cmd> how do i check kernel version?
[04:08] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: does "ifconfig" report wlan0 as a valid interface?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> cmd: uname -r
[04:08] <Jurku> cmd: uname -r
[04:08] <Jurku> damn :-p
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: no
[04:09] <dcraven> martinhj: Yeah I hear you. I made it default on my machines for pdf and ps.
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Jurku: :)
[04:09] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: is the ndiswrapper module loaded into the kernel?
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i do i get it as a valid interface?
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i mean, how do i get it as a valid interface?
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i did a modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:10] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: did you follow the steps on the Ubuntu wiki or are you using the ndiswrapper module that came with Ubuntu?
[04:11] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: I'm just trying to figure out what you have done/tried thus far.
[04:11] <jacquesmerde> i followed the ubuntu wiki to the letter
[04:11] <jacquesmerde> i tried the module that came with ubuntu, didnt work, so i removed it, and followed the wiki to the letter
[04:11] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: what is your wifi chipset?
[04:12] <wdh> traxen, in that menu you should select: / for the partition you want to use ubuntu on
[04:12] <foxiness> martinhj, how mutch of people interested on evince you think?
[04:12] <BASS> need some help with installation who would help me?
[04:12] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: if you help me out here you will be my hero of all time
[04:12] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: what is your wifi chipset?
[04:12] <jacquesmerde> broadcom
[04:12] <jacquesmerde> wait, how do i find out for sure?
[04:13] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: "lspci | grep Network" will tell you.
[04:13] <foxiness> than how mutch of people interested on indicator "keybord switch" ?
[04:14] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: yup, broadcom 4301, so used bcmwl5 (same as the wiki author!)
[04:14] <wdh> foxiness s/mutch/much :)
[04:14] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: the wiki author is me :)
[04:14] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: no way!
[04:15] <foxiness> wdh, k be happey they dont care ;0 u must use one language "u can guess what is it ;)"
[04:15] <pops> Hey..  I'm having a really weird problem in X..  My mouse-cursor randomly turns BLACK making it very hard to see on the rest of the screen
[04:15] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: re your page then, someone's written down the bottom to tru sudo at the beginning of each line, but then you cant do the sed command for some reason (bash: permission denied)
[04:15] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Try to unload the ndiswrapper module with "modprobe -r ndiswrapper" then reload it with "modprobe ndiswrapper". Maybe the old module is still loaded?
[04:15] <schasi> Help im getting a bad error message when i do an dist-upgrade. its "error when trying to overwrite /usr/share/icons/default.kde""
[04:15] <schasi> Is there a solution?
[04:16] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: tried it. didnt work
[04:16] <lexxan> How can I burn a bin/cue ?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> schasi: probably sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[04:16] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: can you paste the output of "ifconfig" to www.pastebin.com?
[04:17] <wdh> schasi, sudo mv /usr/share/icons/default.kde /usr/share/icons/default.kde.temp
[04:17] <thoreauputic> ah, yes that might be easier :)
[04:17] <foxiness> schasi, i think "not sure" chmod -Rv u+rwX /usr/share/icons/default.kde
[04:17] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: not really, its on a different computer, and it has no network on it!
[04:17] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: ifconfig only lists loopback
[04:17] <wdh> foxiness, i think the moving is easier :)
[04:18] <thoreauputic> foxiness: um...I don't think that's a good move
[04:18] <wdh> foxiness, at least more fool-proof
[04:18] <traxen> do I have to have a partition for the swap?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> traxen: how much ram do you have?
[04:18] <traxen> can't it use the same partition where ubuntu will be installed as a swap?
[04:18] <traxen> 512
[04:19] <thoreauputic> then use a swap partition
[04:19] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: though iWconfig seems to list wlan0, and it seems to have found my router since it nows its SSID
[04:19] <traxen> I have a swap partition.. but I think it's for windows
[04:19] <thoreauputic> traxen: a swap file is less efficient
[04:19] <foxiness> wdh,its "learn be mistak " its may way of ninja ;)
[04:19] <traxen> could it be also used for  ubuntu?
[04:19] <pops> Can someone tell me how to enable SW Cursors instead of HW?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> traxen: no, you need linux swap
[04:20] <thoreauputic> traxen: type 82 from memory
[04:20] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: did you extract the Windows drivers from a file called SP28538.exe?
[04:20] <wdh> foxiness, i know.. i am currently learning german that way :)
[04:20] <traxen> thoreauputic, im in windows now
[04:20] <lexxan> Can you use WPA-PSK with linux?
[04:20] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Or did you get them from the Windows CD or something.
[04:20] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: no! i googled for that file and the only hit i got was the ndiswrapper page itself
[04:20] <traxen> thoreauputic, alright.. sorry.. the swap partition I already have is for linux.. it's called linux swap
[04:20] <traxen> so I'll use that
[04:20] <traxen> thank you
[04:20] <foxiness> wdh, nice to hear that im not alone anymore on this positon "fool-proof"
[04:21] <thoreauputic> traxen: well, for 512MB of RAM, use *at least* 512 MB swap
[04:21] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i got them from Q_continuum
[04:21] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: he emailed them to me an hour ago
[04:21] <traxen> thoreauputic, yup, it's around 500 megs
[04:21] <thoreauputic> OK
[04:22] <dcraven> hmmm
[04:22] <foxiness> wdh, if i can ask u q,what your native language than
[04:22] <wdh> foxiness, dutch
[04:23] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: how come iwconfig seems to suggest i'm connected sweetly, but ifconfig suggests not so much?
[04:23] <foxiness> wdh, hmmm its make me inconveniency "german-dutch"
[04:24] <wdh> foxiness, what do you mean?
[04:25] <foxiness> wdh, i can not understand the diff btw this 2 language
[04:25] <thoreauputic> foxiness: netherlands=dutch,  deutsch= german
[04:26] <thoreauputic> foxiness: it's a peculiarity of english
[04:27] <marjorie> hello, could some one helpme installing hplips?
[04:27] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: What was the name of the file that Q_Continuum sent you? Do you still have it?
[04:27] <foxiness> thank you thoreauputic for your clear des>>>
[04:28] <thoreauputic> marjorie: what the heck is hplips?
[04:28] <marjorie> its the hp printing system
[04:28] <foxiness> thoreauputic, like u read my mind
[04:29] <marjorie> i was using just cups, but all of a sudden nothing is printing
[04:29] <thoreauputic> marjorie: why do you need that? doesn't the printer install for you with CUPS?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> ah
[04:29] <marjorie> it did work fine..
[04:29] <marjorie> and the computer doesnt see any error
[04:29] <marjorie> the printer makes the right 'noises' but nothing on paper!
[04:30] <thoreauputic> marjorie: have you tried  sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart   ?
[04:30] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Ok, assuming you still have the .inf and .sys files handy somewhere, let's try reloading them. First, unload the module with "modprobe -r ndiswrapper", then blow away your currently installed drivers like this "rm -rf /etc/ndiswrapper", then install the drivers again with "ndiswrapper -i /path/to/bcmwl5.inf".
[04:30] <marjorie> no but, have rebooted several times since problem...
[04:30] <marjorie> ill give it a go now
[04:31] <thoreauputic> marjorie: and look in /var/log/cups/error_log
[04:31] <foxiness> marjorie, i has this problem too "nothing"
[04:31] <marjorie> foxness, its wierd it was workinf fine for aorund 3 months
[04:31] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: I guess we'll assume that the drivers you have are the correct ones.. If you are unsure, I've put them on my server for you here --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/SP28537.exe
[04:31] <foxiness> marjorie, sure its
[04:31] <thoreauputic> marjorie: when you try to print, first run  sudo tail -f /var/log/cups/error_log   and see if it says something
[04:32] <thoreauputic> marjorie: leave the terminal open so it can tail the file for you
[04:34] <shopgirl> do you like poo
[04:34] <thoreauputic> shopgirl: go away unless you are going to be sensible, please
[04:34] <shopgirl> i eat babbys
[04:34] <yonil> Q: how am i suppose to run a jar file? (its a java game)
[04:35] <BlackLabel> yonil: install jre
[04:35] <yonil> BlackLabel, ive got jre
[04:35] <lexxan> ?? java
[04:35] <fsapo> hi all, i just bought a new dvd recorder. and recorded my first dvd... in the recorder it is reading everything alright.. but in my combo (dvdrom) its saying that just have 15 files of the 25 current recorded in the dvd... what could be the problem?
[04:35] <yahalom_> lol
[04:35] <BlackLabel> then java -jar File.jar
[04:35] <jacquesm1rde> dcraven: i'm all connected. i'll never curse a gui conf app again!
[04:35] <yonil> BlackLabel, works cool ;)
[04:35] <lexxan> ?? java
[04:35] <BlackLabel> yonil: as it should :)
[04:36] <BlackLabel> lexxan: what?
[04:36] <dcraven> jacquesm1rde: hahaha.. You're good now? Congrats :)
[04:36] <lexxan> ?? java
[04:36] <[uhelp] > java: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java -OR- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats. You may also use apt-get to install 'java-package' which will take a linux binary copy of JRE from http://java.sun.com and create a debian package (make-jpkg).
[04:36] <[uhelp] > Hey lexxan, i've already told #ubuntu about "java"... no need to repeat (i think)
[04:36] <thoreauputic> lexxan: the bot has taken a vacation, it seems
[04:36] <thoreauputic> aha
[04:37] <yahalom_> ?? xmms
[04:37] <[uhelp] > xmms[x] : No defenition found for word.
[04:37] <yahalom_> need volunteers to write deffinitions?
[04:37] <lop> hi all
[04:37] <yahalom_> hi
[04:38] <thoreauputic> ?? nvidia
[04:38] <[uhelp] > nvidia: to setup your xorg binary nvidia driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto -OR- http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver -ALSO- http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html
[04:38] <yahalom_> nice
[04:38] <fsapo> hi all, i just bought a new dvd recorder. and recorded my first dvd... in the recorder it is reading everything alright.. but in my combo (dvdrom) its saying that just have 15 files of the 25 current recorded in the dvd... what could be the problem?
[04:38] <thoreauputic> ah, good that's useful
[04:38] <Aladdin-> Hi guys
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ?? ati
[04:39] <[uhelp] > ati: To setup your xorg binary ati driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:39] <thoreauputic> hmm - good work bot :)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> ?? gcc
[04:39] <[uhelp] > gcc: To add basic compilers see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[04:40] <thoreauputic> excellent!
[04:40] <Aladdin-> Got a problem: some websites force me to refresh my desktop as part of it goes blank when I open them.  Same thing when using the scroll bar on many K desktop related applications. Got a clue? And a fix?
[04:42] <raveneye> hi, anyone else havings lockups when playing a music file?
[04:42] <marjorie>  thoreauputic: no erorrs
[04:43] <thoreauputic> marjorie: odd
[04:43] <lexxan> the bot will be around when my computer is online :P
[04:43] <marjorie> the first bit was me readding the printer, the the print job but all looks fine
[04:43] <thoreauputic> marjorie: local printer or network?
[04:43] <marjorie> local, usb
[04:43] <thoreauputic> lexxan: I see :)
[04:43] <hypno> lexxan: what's the bot written in?
[04:43] <marjorie> i plugged it in to a winblow box and it was fine..
[04:43] <lexxan> just an eggdrop with a tcl script.
[04:43] <shopgirl> raveneye yes i cant play music on ubuntu
[04:44] <marjorie> i thought, maby update driver, then i saw that hp had its own print drive system thingy...
[04:44] <marjorie> that is what i was trying to install
[04:44] <thoreauputic> marjorie: if it was working before, that isn't the answer
[04:44] <marjorie> sure...
[04:45] <marjorie> i did change the carts recently but that is not when the problem started
[04:45] <marjorie> about a week after
[04:45] <thoreauputic> marjorie: you haven't fiddled with the cups configuration at all?
[04:45] <marjorie> never!
[04:45] <thoreauputic> OK
[04:45] <lexxan> How can i burn bin & cues
[04:45] <marjorie> i went to add printer in the menu and pointed it at a ppd file
[04:45] <marjorie> it worked like a dream!
[04:46] <marjorie> i thought mabe it wasnt reporting the cartirge refill 'state' or something...
[04:46] <thoreauputic> marjorie: you could try sudo dpkg-reconfigure cupsys  I suppose
[04:47] <marjorie> k
[04:47] <thoreauputic> it might not do anything...
[04:48] <tombs> hi ppl
[04:49] <yahalom_> help plz: this is my webcam Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05a9:8519 OmniVision Technologies, Inc.
[04:49] <yahalom_>  gnome meeting doesnt find it and all the other web cam apps neither it seems, any ideas?
[04:49] <marjorie>  still same, its so weird beacuse the carts move left to right just no ink on paper!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> marjorie: in all applications or just , say, open office ?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I wonder if it's an application issue rather than a cups issue?
[04:51] <marjorie> no everything
[04:51] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[04:51] <marjorie> just useing print test page right now
[04:52] <thoreauputic> marjorie: when printers work in linux, they work well, bu troubleshooting is a pain...
[04:52] <baikonur> hi, I followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FontInstallHowto to install fonts. Is .fonts also in the font path openoffice use?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> *but
[04:52] <thoreauputic> baikonur: yes, should be
[04:52] <klaym> hey what's up with amule crashing all the time randomly? anyone else having the same problem, and have a solution? thanks!
[04:53] <marjorie> thats why this is so wierd, im used to struggleing getting something setup but this worked fine b4!
[04:53] <thoreauputic> marjorie: indeed
[04:54] <marjorie> its my grannys pc u see...
[04:54] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I suggest you look throughthe logs in /var/log/cups  and see when the problem first appeared
[04:55] <marjorie> ok
[04:55] <thoreauputic> marjorie: possibly a daily cron job did something funny to cups
[04:55] <thoreauputic> in which case the logs might reveal what
[04:56] <wdh> ?? java
[04:56] <[uhelp] > java: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java -OR- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats. You may also use apt-get to install 'java-package' which will take a linux binary copy of JRE from http://java.sun.com and create a debian package (make-jpkg).
[04:56] <Kisain> i just got finished with an argument about which was better linux or wintard hacxp
[04:57] <Kisain> needless to say i one when i crashed his windows
[04:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> hey, has anyone tried getting a prog called "wtlib" to work?
[04:57] <wdh> won*
[04:58] <gorilla_> hi ppl.... How do I change the mouse pointer? Currently it is a black triangle pointing up and to the left... How do I get the one that looks like the ms windows one.
[04:58] <Nalioth> Kisain, are you still here?
[04:58] <Kisain> yea just got on
[04:58] <wdh> gorilla_, system - preferences ?
[04:58] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, what is wtlib?
[04:58] <Kisain> after crashing my freinds computer cause he thought windows was better
[04:59] <gorilla_> wdh: then where??
[04:59] <thoreauputic> marjorie: also if you type just "mail" in a terminal do you see any messages from root ? (press enter to get each message)
[04:59] <sobersabre> guys... is there a way to specify user's home dir on login.... ?
[04:59] <wdh> gorilla_, dunno.. you can at least change the size..
[04:59] <sobersabre> like ssh user@host --home=/some/where ...
[04:59] <sobersabre> ?
[04:59] <wdh> gorilla_, maybe it's something in the them
[04:59] <wdh> *theme
[05:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth: just a library prog I'm trying to get to run on wine. Thanks anyway.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> gorilla_: try installing gcursors
[05:00] <Rocha> Hello
[05:00] <Nalioth> Kisain, crashing some1s windoze is a waste of your time and resources.. .. ..it'll happen sooner rather than later by itself
[05:00] <marjorie> well i looked through the error log, nothing just the same block of msgs over and over for each job
[05:00] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, i run a PPC, so no wine
[05:00] <Kisain> yea but it was to prove a point
[05:00] <traxer> thoreauputic, wdh, I finally installed ubuntu! :)
[05:00] <traxer> thank you guys
[05:00] <Kisain> that windows securety is flawed
[05:00] <thoreauputic> traxer: well done and welcome :D
[05:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> Does anyone know of a good IRC for C/C++ programming?
[05:00] <wdh> traxer, now tell me.. was it hard? :P
[05:01] <Kisain> really really flawed
[05:01] <Xappe> aaah, just realized that centericq is a really good program
[05:01] <traxer> no... I was just insanely scared
[05:01] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, kdevelop?
[05:01] <sobersabre> FlyingSquirrel32: #c ... ?
[05:01] <wdh> traxer, what did you miss earlier?
[05:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> hey, has anyone tried getting a prog called "wtlib" to work?
[05:01] <traxer> damn.. gnome is much better than KDE
[05:01] <fragspaz> how do i exit the xserver and boot straight into vga mode
[05:01] <sobersabre> traxer: this is a very subjective opinion :)
[05:01] <traxer> wdh, I have to choose the mount for the ext3 partition
[05:02] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: permanently or just once?
[05:02] <fragspaz> just once
[05:02] <fragspaz> installing a gfx card
[05:02] <fragspaz> oops
[05:02] <fragspaz> upadting the driver
[05:02] <traxer> sobersabre, yeah I know... I was always using KDE in mandrake.. and loved it... but now... after seeing gnome.. it acts a bit more like windows than KDE... but im sure you can configure either one to act as anything you want
[05:02] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: if just once,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:03] <sobersabre> gnome acts like windows ?!?! ... hmmm....
[05:03] <Rocha> I have a P4, how can I change my kernel to use SMP ?
[05:03] <sobersabre> Rocha: why .. do you have SMP ?
[05:03] <fragspaz> thoreauputic, will that work after reboot?
[05:03] <fragspaz> will x start again?
[05:03] <Fator_Dee> fortunately I don't remember anymore how windows acted :-o
[05:03] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: sure
[05:04] <fragspaz> so would that be ideal for instaslling a driver?
[05:04] <Fator_Dee> except the BSoDs
[05:04] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: you can also do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart or startx wiyhout rebooting
[05:04] <fragspaz> kool
[05:05] <fragspaz> @throeau: so is this safe for installing drivers?
[05:05] <Janux> Does anyone know any Java Channel? because it says that i have to be authorized to enter #Java in Freenode.net
[05:05] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: if this is an nvidia or ati driver, read the wiki page
[05:05] <lexxan> Janux, what is the java problem.
[05:05] <fragspaz> im reading there docs
[05:06] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:06] <gorilla_> wdh: thanks :-0
[05:06] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: don't follow the manufacturers docs, use the ubuntu ones
[05:06] <gorilla_> wdh: :-) rather
[05:06] <fragspaz> thx thoreau
[05:06] <wdh> gorilla_, where was it located? in the themes?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Janux: register your nick
[05:07] <Kisain> how long dose it take for the cd's you order form ubuntu to get here?
[05:07] <Kisain> some of my freinds want to try it out
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Kisain: 4-6 weeks
[05:07] <Kisain> O_0
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Kisain: on average
[05:08] <Kisain> wow
[05:08] <thoreauputic> snail mail :)
[05:08] <Kisain> why can't snail mail be more like e-mail?
[05:08] <Kisain> lol
[05:08] <gorilla_> appears to be part of the theme but I couldn't find it in system->preferences.... I installed gcursor and will logout and back in again to see if it make a difference.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Kisain: don't complain - who else sends you an operating system for nothing?
[05:08] <Kisain> you have a scanner connected to your box it scans the pacage and sends it
[05:08] <moomin> it's free ?
[05:09] <moomin> wow
[05:09] <Kisain> i'm not
[05:09] <Kisain> complaning
[05:09] <fragspaz> threau, can i PM u
[05:09] <thoreauputic> moomin: yup
[05:09] <fragspaz> only quick
[05:09] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: why?
[05:09] <Kisain> how can you complane for something thats free? it was just an ittilectual thought
[05:09] <Kisain> initlectual*
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Kisain: I was kidding :)
[05:09] <Kisain> oh lol
[05:09] <Fator_Dee> intellectual?
[05:10] <Kisain> yea there it is lol\
[05:10] <Kisain> damn typing gremlins
[05:10] <Fator_Dee> don't feed them after midnight
[05:10] <Kisain> they get into your keyboard and mess up the keys
[05:10] <Kisain> i did that once
[05:10] <Kisain> they ate all the keys off of my keyboard
[05:11] <Kisain> the little bastards lol
[05:12] <gorilla_> Kisain, that's funny... I find that they change the positions of the keys on the keyboard.
[05:12] <Kisain> you know that seems to happen alot
[05:12] <gorilla_> wdh: gcursor seems to have fixed it after logging in again.
[05:12] <Kisain> i've been trying to compose a fact sheet on what they do
[05:12] <Kisain> i'll have to add that
[05:12] <Kisain> :)
[05:13] <wdh> gorilla_, thx :) i'll take a dive into that as well :)
[05:13] <wdh> gorilla_, it's always nice to try new things
[05:14] <yahalom_> anyone here use cvs cedega instead of paying for it?
[05:14] <Kisain> :)
[05:14] <gorilla_> wdh: yep... :-)
[05:15] <marjorie> do u think its worht while installing the hp driver?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I frankly doubt that's the problem
[05:17] <marjorie> mabe find a batter inside printer to 'reset' it?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> marjorie: something is screwed in the cups config I think: you might try purging your cups related packages and reinstalling them
[05:18] <marjorie> reccon an apt-get distupgrade would do it?
[05:18] <marjorie> its been 5 mnths...
[05:18] <marjorie> since i touched this box
[05:18] <thoreauputic> marjorie: how up to date is your installation?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> oh
[05:19] <thoreauputic> in that case you definitely need to do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:19] <marjorie> oke doke
[05:19] <thoreauputic> marjorie: much water has passed under the bridge
[05:19] <thoreauputic> marjorie: there will be heaps of upgrades
[05:20] <thoreauputic> hope you have bandwidth...
[05:20] <marjorie> :) yup,
[05:20] <thoreauputic> marjorie: don'r forget to do apt-get update first
[05:20] <thoreauputic> *don't
[05:20] <marjorie> cool 2.6.8.1 now
[05:21] <marjorie> only 51 megs worth
[05:21] <pdk001> hi all
[05:21] <Mackie_Messer> salve all ;-)
[05:21] <thoreauputic> marjorie: that's surprising - must be a basic install
[05:22] <jchillerup> Hey.. What is the module name for the driver for a nvidia-based SATA controller?
[05:22] <marjorie> well, ill probably back with more, differnt problems soon :)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I take it little new has been installed since you put it on that box?
[05:22] <marjorie> nothing
[05:22] <thoreauputic> I see
[05:22] <marjorie> my gran uses, this, evo, open office and firefox
[05:22] <thoreauputic> you *did* do apt-get update first?
[05:22] <marjorie> thats it
[05:22] <marjorie> yeah
[05:23] <thoreauputic> OK just checking...
[05:23] <marjorie> :)
[05:23] <marjorie> its worth while in my case
[05:23] <marjorie> :p
[05:23] <jchillerup> Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
[05:23] <Mackie_Messer> *hmm* i have to learn english and german for school...
[05:23] <dcraven> I just updated the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto page.. Man it's hard to please everyone :)
[05:23] <thoreauputic> marjorie: hmm... you seem pretty on the ball as far as I can see :)
[05:26] <thoreauputic> marjorie: maybe set up openssh-server on your gran's box so you can ssh in and do the occasional apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:26] <marjorie> yeah i need more time on it
[05:26] <Kisain> sorry tripped over power cord
[05:27] <gorilla_> jchillerup, try sata_sil or sata_nv :-)
[05:27] <marjorie> ive set up a no ip account this time tho
[05:27] <Get> is it possible to get bison2 on ubuntu?
[05:27] <yahalom_> how do i remove an app that i didnt get through apt-get, such as skype?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> marjorie: so it's been running without problems for five months?
[05:27] <marjorie> yup
[05:27] <yahalom_> sudo dpkg -i skype ???
[05:27] <marjorie> rebooted 4 times
[05:27] <yahalom_> i mean dplg -i remove
[05:27] <Kisain> who ever it was that needed help with cedega pm me
[05:27] <thoreauputic> marjorie: heh - Ubuntu - "Linux for Grannies" *grin*
[05:27] <marjorie> you bet :)
[05:28] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:28] <Nafallo> yahalom_, rather apt-get remove :-)
[05:28] <marjorie> trying to get her to do abit of kernel recompilation :)
[05:28] <thoreauputic> marjorie: hahahaha :D
[05:28] <marjorie> she finds it sooooo much easyier than windows tho
[05:28] <gorilla_> lol :-D
[05:28] <yahalom_> Nafallo, thanx
[05:28] <yahalom_> Nafallo, where can i all my .deb? cos i dont remember the name
[05:28] <marjorie> it boots, and the apps she uses all open to seperate workspace
[05:29] <marjorie> v simple but just the ticket
[05:29] <thoreauputic> marjorie: cool
[05:29] <Nafallo> yahalom_, /var/cache/apt probably.
[05:29] <guruff> hello :) i need with kernel :) anyone ?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> marjorie: get her to set up a Beowulf cluster in the basement ;-)
[05:30] <marjorie> heh.
[05:30] <Mackie_Messer> *lol*
[05:30] <gorilla_> or better: folding@home :-)
[05:30] <marjorie> its funny, she understands abstract concepts a lot better than people who i teach programmin too
[05:30] <marjorie> beacuse she doesnt 'try' to understand she just accepts he functionality
[05:31] <thoreauputic> marjorie: there are plenty of smart grannies out there :)
[05:31] <marjorie> oh yeah
[05:32] <marjorie> we have a little emacs icon for granny backup, when she clicks the goat all here docs goto an ftp
[05:32] <EvilIdler> I haven't heard grandpa complain about the Ubuntu install I did for him, either.
[05:32] <thoreauputic> marjorie: haha- wow !
[05:32] <yahalom_> Nafallo, i cant find it man
[05:32] <thoreauputic> marjorie: nice idea
[05:33] <yahalom_> Nafallo, i want to remove point2play and cedega and i cant
[05:33] <marjorie> she was emailing her printer oo docs, that confused him a bit!
[05:33] <thoreauputic> marjorie: I thought it was a GNU ?
[05:33] <Nafallo> yahalom_, are you root?
[05:33] <marjorie> , sry i meant a guy who puts her work in publications, not the b0rked hp dj
[05:34] <marjorie> he didnt know what open office was!
[05:34] <yahalom_> Nafallo, i did it as root, just my file isnt there
[05:34] <dapus> hi all
[05:34] <thoreauputic> marjorie: heh - now he knows how we feel when people send us .doc files...
[05:34] <Nafallo> yahalom_, what file? I thought you wanted to uninstall packages?
[05:34] <marjorie> people have now statted emailing my gran their docs so she can convert them, she just opens them oo converts and she sends away again
[05:35] <marjorie> 'magic'
[05:35] <thoreauputic> marjorie: great
[05:35] <dapus> finntroll owns!!
[05:35] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: When people send you .doc files, you actually think "What is this .doc? Never heard of it. Microsoft, you say? Some new company?"
[05:35] <marjorie> right time for the big reboot
[05:36] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: no, i think "When will people wake up to how badly they are locked in? "  :)
[05:36] <marjorie> brb
[05:36] <yahalom_> Nafallo, i installed point2play from the web and i want to remove it
[05:36] <Nafallo> yahalom_, start synaptic, find the package, remove it.
[05:37] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: but I still do a double-take when it happens: I'm so unused to .docs now
[05:37] <yahalom_> Nafallo, nice
[05:37] <dapus> help, sound doesnt work in enemy territory!!!
[05:37] <fsapo> just a stupid questin.. i ve burned a dvd with gnomebaker... it say closing disc and stopped.. is it already finished?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: sometimes I convert them to .pdf and send the edited version back in that format ;)
[05:38] <karljp> anyone had any problems with thunderbird not responding properly to mailto: links from firefox if it's already running?
[05:38] <Blissex> fsapo: it can take a while to close a disc. Wait until the light on the drive is off
[05:38] <karljp> I get the profile selector come up, instead of having the link sent to an already running instance
[05:38] <fsapo> Blissex, the light is already off
[05:38] <Blissex> fsapo: should be Ok then. If you can eject the disc it is finished. Burners lock the door while burning.
[05:38] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: Heh. Interesting.
[05:38] <gunny> should USB card readers work in Ubuntu?
[05:39] <Nafallo> gunny, works for me.
[05:39] <karljp> the mozilla-thunderbird script seems to try and do this properly, and from other users it seems to work automatically for debian people, so I was wondering if this was a result of some ubuntu tweak.
[05:39] <fsapo> Blissex, ok thanx, just another question
[05:39] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: PDF isn't good for everything though.
[05:39] <gunny> I have a Sandisk Image mate dmesg sees it lsusb sees it, but it won't mount no matter what I have tried
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: true
[05:40] <fsapo> Blissex, the first dvd i ve burned here only reads on the dvdram drive.. if i put it in my dvdrom drive it just shows some files...
[05:40] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: PDF is good when you need mathematical formulas or the document is meant for printing.
[05:40] <gunny> dmsg reports spinning up disc over and over again
[05:40] <Vjaz> OpenOffice can handle mathematical formulas too, though... maybe it's not that bad.
[05:40] <Nafallo> gunny, worked on my girlfriend's shuttle, running warty...
[05:40] <Vjaz> Also, I hear some guy is implementing LaTeX-style formula editing in Abiword! That rocks.
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: alternatively, convert to text, send the hidden MS stuff back and ask if they really wanted you to see the minutes of their confidential financial meeting ;-)
[05:41] <Nafallo> gunny, that was sandisk to...
[05:41] <gunny> I suspect the reader may be bad since my camera mounts just fine
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: I've seen all kinds of stuff in .docs ...
[05:41] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: Hehee.
[05:41] <Nafallo> gunny, have another puter to try on?
[05:41] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: I've never dug into those. Maybe I should do that just for kicks some day. ;-)
[05:41] <gunny> yeah doing that now
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: you'll be shocked, as I was
[05:43] <Vjaz> Luckily, I haven't used .docs for my own purposes in ages.
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: very wise, believe me
[05:43] <Vjaz> I think I did need to use them at my old trainee job though.
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: people are shocked when they realise how much stuff can be hidden in that format
[05:45] <Vjaz> Well, it's not really a "format".
[05:45] <Vjaz> More like "memory dump".
[05:45] <thoreauputic> wrong word, sorry
[05:45] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:45] <EvilIdler> thoreauputic: Game companies including documentation which also had every not-safe-for-work link they'd ever visited in them, for example :)
[05:45] <thoreauputic> EvilIdler: heheh
[05:45] <shopgirl> hi guys wot u up 2 ?
[05:46] <Vjaz> EvilIdler: Ah, I remember that one I think!
[05:46] <Rorqual_Celine> hi here
[05:46] <Vjaz> EvilIdler: Or I think I've heard of something similiar...
[05:46] <EvilIdler> It was a flight simulator, I think. Sometime last year.
[05:46] <anon12> do you kubuntu
[05:46] <shopgirl> vjaz wot u up 2 ?
[05:47] <dcraven> shopgirl: Is that an actual sentance? :)
[05:47] <Vjaz> shopgirl: Learning how to use Emacs.
[05:47] <dcraven> Vim!
[05:47] <Bhodi> ey zeedo ;)
[05:47] <Vjaz> dcraven: I already know how to use Vim. :-P
[05:47] <lodd> How do I change from UTF-8 to something else?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed, man!
[05:47] <dcraven> Vim! Vim!
[05:47] <sig> sux
[05:47] <jchillerup> nano
[05:47] <zeedo> Bhodi: yo
[05:47] <shopgirl> vjaz : wots emacs ?
[05:48] <Vjaz> I'm learning Emacs for the sole purpose of coding Lisp.
[05:48] <Mackie_Messer> notepad
[05:48] <thoreauputic> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[05:48] <EvilIdler> Toggling switches at the front panel > every editor :)
[05:48] <Mackie_Messer> sorry, i just wanna say anything
[05:48] <Vjaz> shopgirl: You've never heard of Emacs?
[05:48] <Mackie_Messer> ;-)
[05:48] <shopgirl> vjaz no
[05:48] <Vjaz> shopgirl: Go see Applications->Accessories->Emacs on your Ubuntu. :-P
[05:48] <Vjaz> shopgirl: It's a powerful text editor.
[05:49] <Vjaz> shopgirl: So powerful, some people call it an operating system...
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: "Nice operating system- pity about the editor" *g*
[05:49] <dcraven> Vjaz: I don't think it's installed by default.
[05:49] <Nafallo> it IS an operating system ;-)
[05:49] <shopgirl> just call me sg
[05:49] <gunny> mystery solved card readyer is a piece of crap
[05:49] <fsapo> Vjaz, i tried to used that.. too complicated for me O_o
[05:49] <wdh> shopgirl, its much easier to use you whole name :P
[05:49] <Vjaz> dcraven: It's not? Ok, could be.
[05:50] <wdh> shopgirl, auto-completion is nice ;)
[05:50] <dcraven> Vjaz: I don't think so. I don't seem to have it.
[05:50] <Vjaz> dcraven: I was actually thinking that it was installed by default, because I indeed had it installed despite being a Vi-user.
[05:50] <Vjaz> dcraven: Ok.
[05:50] <shopgirl> wot u up 2 ? vjaz?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> dcraven: it was installed by default in warty
[05:50] <Vjaz> shopgirl: You already asked me.
[05:50] <dcraven> thoreauputic: I see.
[05:51] <shopgirl> wot den vjaz ?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> dcraven: the wim boys won for hoary, it seems :)
[05:51] <thoreauputic> *vim
[05:51] <dcraven> Reading what shopgirl writes in here makes my head hurt.
[05:51] <Vjaz> shopgirl: I'm learning how to use Emacs, the text editor.
[05:51] <fsapo> dcraven, same here
[05:51] <shopgirl> ow
[05:51] <dcraven> It's some kind of code I think. I don't understand it.
[05:52] <Kisain> how do you make gkrellm auto start on boot up?
[05:52] <ivoks> hi
[05:52] <ivoks> on boot?!
[05:52] <wdh> Kisain, session-management
[05:52] <manu-972> Hi, I have a question about HW kill switch, anyone could help me here ;-)?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Kisain: leave it open when you log out and save your session
[05:52] <Kisain> yea when you get into ubuntu enviroment
[05:52] <shopgirl> dcravan u idiot
[05:52] <Kisain> oh
[05:52] <Kisain> ok
[05:52] <ivoks> Kisain that's not boot, that's login :)
[05:52] <Kisain> yea login thats it lol
[05:52] <Kisain> ^_^
[05:52] <wdh> Kisain, you can actually let gnome remember a session.. so it loads up all apps you used at the moment you saved it
[05:53] <pztak> is there a way to set it up so that when i receive new mail in evolution, it will have something like "X new email messages" in the top launch bar?
[05:53] <Kisain> and how do i do that?
[05:53] <karljp> pztak: I'd like to know tha ttoo, (only for tbird)
[05:53] <wdh> Kisain, when you log out, you can tick the box :)
[05:53] <fsapo> dcraven, lol she's upset now 
[05:53] <shopgirl> vjaz:u dere ?
[05:53] <Kisain> oh
[05:53] <dcraven> pztak: You could try to use something like mail-notification.
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Kisain: just tick to save your session on logout
[05:53] <Kisain> thats what that is
[05:53] <karljp> dcraven: where does that come from?
[05:53] <dcraven> fsapo: I'm not sure, but she might have called me an idiot.
[05:53] <Kisain> i was wondering what that little box was
[05:54] <shopgirl> hi boyz
[05:54] <Vjaz> shopgirl: Yes.
[05:54] <karljp> ah, it's a package name
[05:54] <dcraven> karljp: It's in universe.
[05:54] <fsapo> dcraven, i m wondering what idiot means in her language
[05:54] <dcraven> fsapo: wot u mene?
[05:54] <Kisain> we probibly don't want to know :/
[05:54] <shopgirl> how old r u vjaz ?
[05:54] <wdh> Kisain, :P
[05:55] <thoreauputic> fsapo: anyone with a higher IQ than hers, probably ;)
[05:55] <Kisain> lol
[05:55] <wdh> shopgirl, any chance you could finish up your words?
[05:55] <dcraven> thoreauputic: I suspect it has more to do with age than IQ.
[05:55] <Kisain> ::;::::::ponders that for a sec::::::::::
[05:55] <fsapo> thoreauputic, rotf
[05:55] <Kisain> your probibly right
[05:55] <Echylo> are there girls here? :D
[05:55] <shopgirl> wdh : wot u on about ?
[05:55] <Vjaz> shopgirl: Are you by any chance a bot?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> dcraven: yes, to be charitable I agree :)
[05:55] <Echylo> bots are smart Vjaz
[05:55] <wdh> shopgirl, if i only understood what you ment :)
[05:55] <dcraven> Echylo: Probably not the best place to pick up.
[05:55] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i lost you before
[05:55] <Vjaz> Echylo: Not necessarily.
[05:56] <shopgirl> no!! i hate bots!!
[05:56] <Echylo> no dcraven , no need for ;)
[05:56] <graabein> hi!
[05:56] <spiral> hi
[05:56] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Yeah, that's okay. You got your wifi up and running?
[05:56] <Vjaz> Echylo: I actually read this article on some guy who modified Eliza to talk in l33tsp33k and act like a teenage 13 year old girl.
[05:56] <ivoks> thoreauputic u again :)
[05:56] <shopgirl> how olsd
[05:56] <Echylo> lel
[05:56] <Echylo> she's not eliza
[05:56] <Echylo> :p
[05:56] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: yup! no idea how though
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> then it refused to talk to an old man like him.
[05:56] <thoreauputic> ivoks: there's no escape! mwuhahaha!
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:56] <Echylo> eliza was cool at least
[05:56] <karljp> dcraven: and mail-notification does what when it's installed?
[05:57] <Mahl> So how do I mount .bin files within linux?   mount -t iso9660 x.bin /media/x dont work....
[05:57] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: i managed to fix it all up through that gui
[05:57] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Cool. I knew it would work!
[05:57] <jacquesmerde> networks tool
[05:57] <Vjaz> Echylo: Yeah. Anyways, this Eliza-mod was convincing, because everyone expected 13-year old teen girls to act dumb.
[05:57] <shopgirl> how old r u vjaz?
[05:57] <dcraven> karljp: Checks for new messages... gmail, IMAP, POP etc..
[05:57] <Mahl> *So how do I mount .bin files within linux?   mount -o loop -t iso9660 x.bin /media/x dont work....
[05:57] <Echylo> shopgirl, this is not a recruiting channel for boys
[05:57] <jacquesmerde> i have no idea why i had to use that gui tool to get wlan0 from iwconfig to ifconfig. i'd be interested to know how to replicate what the gui did without the gui
[05:57] <bob2> that's because it's not an iso-9660 filesystem
[05:57] <neighborlee> does anyone know if mailmerge will work and if so what other apps I might need to get it working ( openoffice and evolution ) ???
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Mahl,  you use the loop back filesystem thing to mount files like that.. and you may need to convert the .bin to a real iso
[05:57] <Echylo> go to #debian or so
[05:57] <karljp> ahh, I need to run it set it up, "setting up" didn't do it
[05:57] <Rorqual_Celine> @toute
[05:57] <bob2> it's a silly made up windows format
[05:57] <dcraven> karljp: System, Preferences, Mail Notification
[05:58] <Mackie_Messer> *woah* a hornet in my room! *alert*
[05:58] <Echylo> lel
[05:58] <bob2> Mahl: use bchunk to convert it to a useful format
[05:58] <ivoks> neighborlee evolutio+openoffce is ok
[05:58] <Mahl> bob2,  and Dr_Willis  will I have to convert it?
[05:58] <Mahl> Ok thank you :)
[05:58] <manu-972> Anyone here could answer some questions about HW wifi kill switch (I am stuck with some stupid problem)
[05:58] <Vjaz> shopgirl: I don't think that's all that relevant.
[05:58] <fsapo> Mahl, did you do a modprobe loop before it?
[05:58] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: btw, i'm really impressed with hoary. i tried warty when it came out, and wasnt too impressed, but hoary has come a long way
[05:58] <neighborlee> ivoks, no I can't get mailmerge working is my point
[05:58] <Nalioth> Mahl what kind of bin is it?
[05:58] <neighborlee> ivoks, do you know how ?
[05:58] <ivoks> neighborlee define mailmerge :)
[05:58] <bob2> manu-972: way better to just ask your question
[05:58] <cikilin> hello
[05:59] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: there is a wiki page here that explains both gui and CLI I think --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[05:59] <karljp> what is the name of the top panel? so that I can restart it?
[05:59] <WeirdAl> hello.
[05:59] <neighborlee> ivoks, merging addy database with OO to use it for  mailing purposes ( forms, address labels, etc.)
[05:59] <bob2> karljp: gnome-panel
[05:59] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Yeah. I never had Warty, but I understand there is a bid difference.
[05:59] <WeirdAl> Just installed Enemy Territory, and whenever I run it it tells me I'm using software Mesa.
[05:59] <neighborlee> ivoks, I found a forum post on google saying how its done but I can not reproduce it here in  ubuntu
[05:59] <manu-972>  bob2: Ok here it is: I had FC3 on my laptop (HP DV1000) and HW kill switch was working w/ no problem
[05:59] <thoreauputic> karljp: gnome-panel ( but that's both)
[05:59] <WeirdAl> So how do I make it use hardware?
[05:59] <shopgirl> hello bob2
[05:59] <karljp> it detects a panel already running, I guess it means the bottom one
[05:59] <ivoks> neighborlee openoffice.org-evolution package?
[05:59] <bob2> shopgirl: can you please just go away?
[05:59] <neighborlee> ivoks, faik there is no such package
[05:59] <bob2> karljp: pretty sure they're in the same process
[05:59] <cikilin> how can i check this?'Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?'
[05:59] <shopgirl> ok bob2
[05:59] <manu-972> bob2: but with Hoary it works only sometimes (never in X), when I go back in single mode
[06:00] <thoreauputic> karljp: killall gnome-panel
[06:00] <Gianmaria> CarlK: did you write localnetinstall? in wiki I mean is that you, we talked two days ago...
[06:00] <bob2> shopgirl: thanks
[06:00] <ivoks> neighborlee hm... is
[06:00] <bob2> manu-972: differing kernels, I suppose
[06:00] <bob2> manu-972: try asking on the user list
[06:00] <ivoks> neighborlee openoffice.org-evolution - Evolution 2 Addressbook support for OpenOffice.org
[06:00] <neighborlee> ivoks, i'm referring to using 'add data source' from the menu and choosing 'evolution' as source...at least according to google search info...but there is no drop down section for evolution in the list
[06:00] <schasi> which mule client should one use on linux?
[06:00] <dcraven> karljp: mail-notification will only appear in the panel when you have new mail. It's one of the few (only?) projects that uses the notification area as it was intended.
[06:00] <manu-972> bob2: yes perhaps, but perhaps not ;-) because it works in single mode
[06:00] <karljp> hmm, and I cant' delete the last panel to start it from scratch again
[06:01] <ivoks> neighborlee let me try... writer?
[06:01] <neighborlee> ivoks, oh ic I misundetstood then..okay checking
[06:01] <neighborlee> ivoks, yup writer..anyway ,,checking for the package you mentioned
[06:01] <Hannes_> schasi: amule
[06:01] <karljp> hmm, how can I log out from the cli, now that I've lost my top panel?
[06:02] <neighborlee> ivoks, okay thx found it..i'd never have thought to look in apt based on google search results ;-))
[06:02] <manu-972> bob2: so it seems that Hoary kernel handles it but something else prevents that sometimes (eg when in X session)
[06:02] <dcraven> karljp: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will get you out, by restarting X.
[06:02] <karljp> how come that sometimes restarts, and sometimes just kills?
[06:02] <ivoks> neighborlee :) i have evolution
[06:02] <manu-972> bob2: so I guess my question is: what can disable an HW switch from working
[06:02] <neighborlee> ivoks, heh
[06:03] <boredofthesane> karljp: because GDM won't always kick in
[06:03] <dcraven> karljp: Buggy gdm maybe?
[06:03] <boredofthesane> oops lost him
[06:03] <Mahl> converting to ISO
[06:03] <Mahl> thanks
[06:03] <Mahl> :)
[06:03] <fsapo> is there a way to turn off the channel msgs link "somebody has quit" and all those stuff? its really anoying
[06:04] <dcraven> fsapo: depends on the client.
[06:04] <fsapo> x-chat
[06:04] <karljp> ok, now I've lost the top panel altogether :)
[06:04] <dcraven> fsapo: I dunno.
[06:04] <WeirdAl> I've installed the drivers for my ATI, but apparently OpenGL is still in software Mesa. How do I change it to hardware?
[06:04] <fsapo> dcraven, ok thanx anyway
[06:04] <ivoks> WeirdAl build kernel modul?
[06:04] <dcraven> karljp: I think you can add a new panel by right-clicking on whatever panel is left.
[06:05] <ivoks> WeirdAl change xorg.conf
[06:05] <ivoks> WeirdAl load fglrx and restart X
[06:05] <WeirdAl> I did that. I've done what it says on the ubuntu wikipage.
[06:05] <Gianmaria> anyone knows about fttpd install? I can't start tftpd daemon, I get an address in use error...
[06:05] <dcraven> fsapo: I'm sure there are probably filters somewhere in prefs.
[06:05] <WeirdAl> How do I load fglrx?
[06:05] <ivoks> WeirdAl lsmod | grep fglrx?
[06:05] <fsapo> dcraven, i m searching for it but cant find :(
[06:06] <WeirdAl> fglrx 229568 0
[06:06] <ivoks> glxinfo | grep vendor
[06:06] <karljp> oh, excellent, now I get to rebuild the top panel by hand
[06:06] <dcraven> karljp: Did you delete it yourself?
[06:07] <karljp> yeah, I thought I was deleting an item I'd added to the panel
[06:07] <karljp> but I'd rightclicked on the wrong area
[06:07] <reagleBRKLN> i'm trying to use smb4k to mount a smb share but it says "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)"
[06:07] <Kisain> VMware-workstation-5.0.0-13124.tar.gz
[06:07] <ivoks> weirdal grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:07] <WeirdAl> ivoks, server SGI, client ATI, OpenGL vendor Mesa project www.mesa3d.org
[06:07] <Kisain> anyone know how to open and install that filke?
[06:07] <dcraven> karljp: Oops.. I thought a warning popped up prior to deleting a panel. I guess not.
[06:07] <karljp> it does
[06:07] <reagleBRKLN> how do i do that
[06:07] <lodd> How do I change locale from UTF-8 to iso8859-15?
[06:07] <karljp> but I'd added a notification panel
[06:07] <reagleBRKLN> also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DerootificationStatus makes me think suid is not needed?
[06:07] <dcraven> karljp: dummy :)
[06:07] <karljp> so I thought I was deleting that.
[06:07] <WeirdAl> ivoks, Driver "fglrx"
[06:07] <Q_Continuum> heh
[06:08] <ivoks> WeirdAl hm... did u restart X?
[06:08] <WeirdAl> restarted my computer.
[06:08] <karljp> it's not that clear what a panel is vs all the other sub bits
[06:08] <dcraven> karljp: Those messages are sometimes confusing, I'll agree.
[06:08] <edsuom> Just installed (k)ubuntu after years of messing with RH 8 & 9, Gentoo, and Debian. Very impressed.
[06:08] <ivoks> WeirdAl do u have under Modules in xorg.conf OpenGL?
[06:08] <Kisain> anyone know how to open this file VMware-workstation-5.0.0-13124.tar.gz?
[06:08] <dcraven> karljp: I'm just jerkin' your chain ;P
[06:08] <ivoks> edsuom i agree
[06:08] <wasabi_> Kisain, it's a tar file. You extract it.
[06:08] <Kisain> um how?
[06:08] <dcraven> Kisain: tar xvzf filename
[06:09] <Kisain> ok
[06:09] <WeirdAl> ivoks, I have glx but not OpenGl
[06:09] <wasabi_> Right click on it, or use the tar program.
[06:09] <WeirdAl> L*
[06:09] <karljp> hmm, this suckz0rs, things like the power and clock and stuff used to all be on the right, and now they're just al over the place
[06:09] <ivoks> Kisain click on it, god demit
[06:09] <ivoks> WeirdAl hm... comment glx
[06:09] <Kisain> sorry diden't mean to piss you off man
[06:09] <dcraven> Kisain: or use file-roller, as suggested.
[06:09] <part> is there a way to enhance nautilus? When browsing my filesystem, everytime I click on a folder, the window im browsing in resizes. How can I put a stop to this?
[06:09] <boredofthesane> Leonid Kachiyan RIP
[06:09] <Nalioth> bob2 had apt build from source those gstreamer faac faac plugs, and then had to rebuild rhythmbox but it all works now. thank you and thank crimsun
[06:10] <wasabi_> part, it doesn't resize. A new window opens.
[06:10] <WeirdAl> ivoks, commented it out. Should I insert a line for OpenGL?
[06:10] <dcraven> part: nautilus remembers the size of the window it last displayed any particular folder in. Adjust the window size for that folder, and it will open at that size the next time you revisit that folder.
[06:10] <Mackie_Messer> Option	"UseInternalAGPGART"	"no"       in xorg.conf for ati to work after installing fglrx via apt
[06:10] <dcraven> part: Welcome to spatial file management. :)
[06:10] <part> right right... but I don't wnat it to remember
[06:11] <jacquesmerde> question, how hard is it to let a printer on an ubuntu machine be usable by other linux machines on its lan? how about windows computers on its lan?
[06:11] <ivoks> WeirdAl u should restart X
[06:11] <Q_Continuum> Messer, is there a list of those options for fglrx tweaking?
[06:11] <part> I want it to act like Windows... have one window open at a time.. and not resize when Im browsing through folders
[06:11] <dcraven> part: You can disable spatial mode permanently if you prefer the browser mode.
[06:11] <jacquesmerde> Q_Continuum: thanks man, your inf file worked a treat
[06:11] <fsapo> part, why just you use just one window instead of openning another?
[06:11] <Mackie_Messer> don't know Q_Continuum, sorry
[06:11] <Q_Continuum> glad to help :-)
[06:12] <part> fsabo, i'm used to this.. for example.. I have the window in the center of the screen... the new window opens in the top left side of the screen
[06:12] <part> it's just annoying
[06:12] <fsapo> part, thats why i just use one window ;)
[06:12] <fsapo> part, when i click on a folder it just opens in the same window
[06:12] <part> fsapo, where are the settings for this?
[06:13] <WeirdAl> ivoks, it's still saying I'm using software Mesa when I run ET
[06:13] <part> "Always open in browser window" ?
[06:13] <dcraven> part: You can enable browser mode by default if you set the /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true in gconf-editor.
[06:13] <thoreauputic> part: choose browser mode inthe prefs behaviour section
[06:13] <tritium> part: Edit->Preferences->Behavior->"Always open in browser windows"
[06:14] <part> gotcha!
[06:14] <part> thank you all!
[06:14] <fsapo> part, Applications -> system tools -> configuration Editor -> Apps -> Nautilus -> Preferences and check always use browser
[06:14] <part> I love it now
[06:14] <part> :)
[06:14] <tritium> no need to use gconf editor ;)
[06:14] <Taliesin`> and we love you Part :P
[06:14] <ivoks> WeirdAl hm...
[06:14] <fsapo> tritium, hehe i know the looong path :D
[06:14] <part> owww.. we are all humans!! We must stick together against the aliens
[06:14] <part> lol
[06:14] <ivoks> WeirdAl  ls -dl /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[06:14] <Mackie_Messer> lol, i would write the same but my install is german and i dont know the translation, fsapo
[06:15] <dcraven> thoreauputic: I never knew that was available outside of gconf-editor, cool.
[06:15] <Taliesin`> aliens = M$
[06:15] <Taliesin`> :P
[06:15] <josh42> can anyone tell me the best "make" flags for an athlon64 system?
[06:15] <ivoks> Pythos where does booting stops?
[06:15] <fsapo> Mackie_Messer, =] 
[06:15] <WeirdAl> hang on, I'll load x-chat on the other computer. Make it easer.
[06:15] <josh42> (trying to do my first compile :) )
[06:15] <thoreauputic> dcraven: first thing I looked for :)
[06:15] <Keizer> Sup guys
[06:15] <thoreauputic> dcraven: I'm not a spatial fan
[06:16] <Keizer> Does Cups have a network printer search feature?
[06:16] <fsapo> Mackie_Messer, i m in brazil here but i dont like portuguese so i unstalled in english ;P
[06:16] <dcraven> thoreauputic: It makes a very nice image previewer though :)
[06:16] <thoreauputic> dcraven: I use feh :)
[06:16] <tritium> Keizer, yes.  Global Settings->Detect LAN Printers
[06:16] <Mackie_Messer> *yes* thats cool, english is not really a problem, but if i can use german, i do it ;-) fsapo
[06:17] <dcraven> thoreauputic: What is feh?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> dcraven: actually I use rox filer in preference to nautilus
[06:17] <dcraven> thoreauputic: Ahh. I see.
[06:17] <WeirdAl> ivoks: that made lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 2005-04-06 20:21 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2
[06:17] <Mackie_Messer> Keizer Sozse?
[06:17] <fsapo> Mackie_Messer, ;) the problem in using portuguese is: We dont have ANY information about ubuntu in portuguese.. so its a problem when you need to follow a how-to or something
[06:17] <thoreauputic> dcraven: feh is an image app - very fast and light ( apt-cache show feh)
[06:17] <ivoks> WeirdAl there u go...
[06:18] <Keizer> Yessir
[06:18] <Keizer> tritium, I think it's searching.... But I have two printers shared on the network and neither were found heh
[06:18] <ivoks> WeirdAl and ls -dl libGL.so.1.2?
[06:18] <WeirdAl> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 25 2005-04-06 20:21 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -> ../X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[06:18] <dcraven> thoreauputic: sounds interesting.
[06:18] <ivoks> WeirdAl that's wrong
[06:18] <ivoks> WeirdAl it should point on ATI's opengl
[06:18] <Mackie_Messer> ohh, thats a problem, right. german is well known, but often i follow english howtos and conf.files...
[06:19] <WeirdAl> aha.
[06:19] <ivoks> WeirdAl did u install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[06:19] <Phr0stByte> It seems that video players are seriously in jeopardy right now!!!
[06:19] <WeirdAl> Yes.
[06:19] <ivoks> WeirdAl go to /usr/lib
[06:19] <ivoks> WeirdAl and check out all libGL.*
[06:19] <Kisain> anyone know how to install a .tar.bz2 file?
[06:20] <ivoks> WeirdAl for examle, nvidia driver creates: libGL.so.1.0.7174
[06:20] <WeirdAl> ivoks: there's .so.1 and .so.1.2
[06:20] <WeirdAl> there's also libGLU.so.1.3
[06:20] <WeirdAl> abd .1
[06:20] <WeirdAl> and*
[06:20] <Mackie_Messer> anyone knows a good desktop blogging tool like w.bloggar that works with b2evolution? blogtk doesnt work :-(
[06:20] <ivoks> WeirdAl then go to /usr/X11R6/lib
[06:20] <thoreauputic> Kisain: that's kind of the wrong question...
[06:21] <ivoks> WeirdAl and check out libGL there
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Kisain: it depends
[06:21] <ivoks> WeirdAl there should be one from ATI
[06:21] <Rydekull> o_O WeirdAl that's like my favourite artist :P
[06:21] <Nalioth> Kisain, what is in it?
[06:22] <WeirdAl> ivoks: there's libGL.so.1, which points to libGL.so.1.2
[06:22] <ivoks> WeirdAl u didn't install fglrx opengl driver
[06:23] <Nalioth> l8r folks
[06:23] <Nalioth> nap time
[06:23] <ivoks> WeirdAl end of story
[06:23] <lapo> hi
[06:23] <WeirdAl> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Kisain: is it source code ? Your *.tar.bz2 ?
[06:24] <WeirdAl> according to apt-get, that is.
[06:24] <Mackie_Messer> did you set the option Option "UsInternalAGPGART" No in xorg.conf, WeirdAl ?
[06:24] <ivoks> WeirdAl dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[06:24] <ivoks> WeirdAl dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[06:25] <WeirdAl> OK done those two. Restart X?
[06:25] <ivoks> WeirdAl what it says?
[06:25] <WeirdAl> #flood
[06:25] <ivoks> WeirdAl does it says xorg-driver-fglrx or xlibmesa-gl?
[06:26] <lodd> I have a huge problem, how do I change from UTF-8 to iso8859-15
[06:26] <WeirdAl> oh
[06:26] <WeirdAl> both
[06:26] <Mackie_Messer> where, lodd ?
[06:26] <ivoks> WeirdAl ?
[06:26] <WeirdAl> for each.
[06:26] <lodd> Consoles
[06:26] <thoreauputic> ivoks: xlibmesa-gl  is what it returns her ( ob=ne of them anyway)
[06:26] <WeirdAl> xorg-driver-fglrx, xlibmesa-gl: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[06:26] <Mackie_Messer> ohh, don't know, sorry
[06:26] <thoreauputic> oops
[06:27] <ivoks> WeirdAl aptitude purge xlibmesa-gl
[06:27] <veleno> do i find somewhere how latest release support (or not support) my ibm thinkpad t42 ?
[06:27] <ivoks> i don't know how ATI works
[06:27] <lodd> Or in the whole OS
[06:27] <bob2> veleno: you need to be more specific
[06:27] <lodd> I don't care as long as I get my ''
[06:27] <Mackie_Messer> 
[06:27] <bob2> veleno: perhaps you mean wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTestingResults
[06:27] <WeirdAl> OK, purged
[06:28] <lambic> anyone know why cron.daily gives me this every day: fatal error: updatedb: create_db(): rename: No such file or directory?
[06:29] <josh42> lambin; what happens when you run updatedb manually?
[06:29] <lambic> it works ok
[06:29] <josh42> *lambic
[06:29] <aeho> Anyone here with experience in running steam with cvscedega?
[06:29] <ivoks> WeirdAl apt-get --reinstall install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:29] <bob2> aeho: #cedega
[06:29] <wezzer> hey
[06:29] <josh42> what's your cron job running?
[06:29] <bob2> aeho: or whatever support your money bought you
[06:29] <lambic> run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[06:29] <aeho> I said cvscedega
[06:30] <wezzer> should I use dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg or fglrxconf ?
[06:30] <josh42> lambic; Ok, but what cronjob or script is running that does the updatedb?
[06:30] <WeirdAl> ivoks: done.
[06:30] <lambic> oh, /etc/cron.daily/slocate, which just runs updatedb
[06:30] <josh42> fglrxconf < more comprehensive
[06:30] <ivoks> WeirdAl glxinfo
[06:31] <WeirdAl> command not found
[06:31] <Mackie_Messer> fglrxinfo
[06:31] <ivoks> lol
[06:31] <ivoks> then apt-get install xlibmesa-gl
[06:31] <WeirdAl> :-)
[06:31] <ivoks> :)
[06:31] <Mackie_Messer> :)
[06:32] <WeirdAl> it installed that with xorg-diver-fglrx anyway
[06:32] <WeirdAl> r
[06:32] <josh42> WeirdAl: What problem are you having? config of an ati card
[06:32] <WeirdAl> Yeah, it's reporting that it's using software Mesa and I want it to use hardware.
[06:32] <WeirdAl> er. Where was I?
[06:32] <josh42> lambic; Then I'm not sure.. if there are no switches, and no reason for it to do anything different; it shouldn't.. are the permissions ok?
[06:33] <bob2> shopgirl: come on
[06:33] <josh42> WeirdAl; ok, I'm going to watch you.. I'm having the same problem :)
[06:33] <bob2> shopgirl: you really have nothing better to do with your time?
[06:33] <karljp> anyone know how to get a default gnome-panel back?
[06:33] <wdh> System -> administration -> shared folders seems to freeze when loading it.. anyone has any ideas on how to solve this? i would like to use it to configure samba
[06:34] <shopgirl> bob2 im just cheaking if someone i no is on now
[06:34] <thoreauputic> karljp: a bit drastic, but you can move your ~/.gnome and .gnome2 files and restart...
[06:34] <WeirdAl> OK...
[06:34] <WeirdAl> I ran fglrxconf
[06:34] <WeirdAl> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:34] <WeirdAl> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:34] <WeirdAl> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:34] <WeirdAl> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[06:34] <ivoks> WeirdAl gime the URL
[06:34] <ivoks> WeirdAl of the wiki
[06:35] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:35] <lambic> script slocate is 755, binary slocate is 755 group suid, db is 600
[06:35] <WeirdAl> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:35] <karljp> well, I've basically not touched anything so that might be what I need to do :)
[06:35] <thoreauputic> karljp: should work OK - just logout/login afterwards
[06:35] <lambic> cd /usr/slib
[06:35] <lambic> oops :)
[06:35] <josh42> can anyone tell me the best "make" flags for an athlon64 system?
[06:36] <bob2> josh42: the defaults
[06:36] <bob2> this isn't gentoo
[06:36] <WeirdAl> Dammit, my ircd stopped working.
[06:36] <ivoks> WeirdAl did u change XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf?
[06:36] <WeirdAl> xorg.conf
[06:37] <josh42> bob2: I'm going to be compiling gimpshop, and I've seen some optimization impovment mentions around.. 15%+
[06:37] <WeirdAl> hey
[06:37] <WeirdAl> That didn't say that last time.
[06:37] <bob2> josh42: then find out what they used
[06:37] <veleno> bob2: not only power management. i only would like to know if video, audio, network cards are supported or not. all i know is the model number, which is: 2374-VMN
[06:37] <WeirdAl> oh
[06:37] <WeirdAl> Yes it did...
[06:37] <ivoks> ?
[06:37] <josh42> bob2: lol - unfortunately not that easy
[06:37] <WeirdAl> Just then, I read the warty bit.
[06:37] <bob2> josh42: why?
[06:37] <WeirdAl> When I did it I read the Hoary bit :-p
[06:37] <Gianmaria> anyone knows about fttpd install? I can't start tftpd daemon, I get an address in use error...
[06:37] <bob2> veleno: no, no one can help you
[06:38] <bob2> veleno: try linux-laptops.net
[06:38] <ivoks> WeirdAl u use hoary or wharty?
[06:38] <WeirdAl> hoary
[06:38] <XplOzIon> hi
[06:38] <josh42> bob2: Looked.. ppl aren't saying, and I dont have contact info
[06:38] <lambic> hmm I just noticed updatedb is still running and apparently un-killable
[06:38] <bob2> don't kill it
[06:38] <bob2> it will take a while to run
[06:39] <lambic> 24 hours?
[06:39] <bob2> but it is killable, unless your disk is broken
[06:39] <ivoks> WeirdAl and u use xorg
[06:39] <Taliesin`> (Gianmaria): their is a guide on how to set it up on the ubuntu wiki
[06:39] <XplOzIon> can anyone help me with this error: error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem (thats the error i get when i run quake3 and change the resolution
[06:39] <WeirdAl> Well I haven't changed anything, so I guess so
[06:39] <lambic> it's ignoring -9
[06:39] <WeirdAl> I just installed-and-used
[06:39] <Q_Continuum> then I get to play on the new box ^.^
[06:39] <karljp> moving .gconf .gconfd .gnome and .gnome2 out of the way and restarting doesn't work either :(
[06:39] <Q_Continuum> Pentium D 3.2GHz Dual core w/HT
[06:39] <josh42> WierdAl: I wonder if you have the same issue I do: I ran through the wiki, did everything, and the log complains (and shows fail) because of xfree not being installed
[06:40] <karljp> no menus for me!
[06:40] <karljp> and now it's time to leave,
[06:40] <ivoks> WeirdAl take a look at your logs
[06:40] <geppy> I can't get VMWare Workstation 5.0 to install; it won't accept my kernel headers.
[06:40] <karljp> so thisjust has to stay busted for a while.
[06:40] <ivoks> WeirdAl /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:40] <Q_Continuum> ATI Radeon x850.  intel just sent it to him.  NOT FAIR.
[06:40] <thoreauputic> karljp: starting to sound a bit serious...
[06:40] <Taliesin`> (Gianmaria): http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[06:41] <Taliesin`> shows you how to setup TFTP + Apache2 to do a NetBoot install from a PXE Capable Network card
[06:41] <veleno> bob2: i found http://aaltonen.us/archive/2005/03/02/ubuntu-linux-on-the-ibm-thinkpad-t42/
[06:41] <WeirdAl> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM"
[06:41] <WeirdAl> :-|
[06:41] <XplOzIon> error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem Help anyone?
[06:42] <geppy> XplOzIon: Do you have a GeForce?
[06:42] <XplOzIon> geppy, ye
[06:42] <ivoks> WeirdAl well, on that wiki page u have something about AGP
[06:42] <shopgirl> wot u all up 2 ?
[06:42] <geppy> XplOzIon: go install all of the nvidia packages and run the configurator
[06:42] <Taliesin`> Runs beautifully with buntu 5.04, did a PXE NetBoot Install on that, was deffinatly a different way to install :>
[06:42] <shopgirl> is cusco dere ?
[06:42] <bob2> shopgirl: come on
[06:42] <XplOzIon> geppy, i already have em
[06:43] <mcquaid> hello all
[06:43] <geppy> XplOzIon: did you install them and configure the driver?
[06:43] <WeirdAl> Aha
[06:43] <mcquaid> ok i've installed ubuntu on two systems that have nvidia and can't get nvidia drivers to survive a reboot
[06:43] <XplOzIon> geppy, i think so. Let me check
[06:43] <WeirdAl> Says I have to reboot.
[06:43] <ivoks> If your Xorg.0.log reveals troubles when initialising AGP, put this in the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[06:43] <WeirdAl> bbiab
[06:43] <Gianmaria> Taliesin`:thats exactly what I'm trying to do but I can't start tftpd...help :-))
[06:43] <mcquaid> one of the systems i used the ubuntu nvidia glx pkg, the other i just grabbed the drivers from nvidias site but same result
[06:44] <Taliesin`> what error you getting?
[06:44] <Taliesin`> (Gianmaria): what error does it give?
[06:44] <mcquaid> from what i've read i think it's the vesafb module that could be the conflict
[06:44] <ivoks> what an idiot
[06:44] <mcquaid> how do i stop the vesafb module from loading?
[06:44] <Gianmaria> Taliesin`: address already in use or can't bind to non socket, every other service works great machine is fine I guess..
[06:45] <geppy> Vmware, anyone?
[06:45] <Gianmaria> Taliesin` - actually says local address already in use
[06:45] <Q_Continuum> Vmware = nice
[06:45] <Taliesin`> when does it give that error, on the machine your installing on, or when you start DHCP?
[06:45] <Q_Continuum> haven't used it in over a year though
[06:45] <Taliesin`> when you start TFTP?
[06:46] <mcquaid> also why is the kernel version 2.6.10-7 but the headers are 2.6.10-34? shouldnt they the same
[06:46] <ivoks> ah...
[06:46] <Gianmaria> Taliesin` - on the server, dhcp is running fine but tftpd does not start
[06:46] <dcraven> geppy: No thank you.
[06:46] <Burgundavia> mcquaid, the number after the - is just the number of ubuntu/debian revisions
[06:46] <Burgundavia> mcquaid, the number before the dash is the imporant one
[06:46] <mcquaid> actually whats more weird is the headers pkg name is 2.6.10-5 but it's version is listed as -34
[06:47] <lauri_> Anyone installed macromedia flash on 64bit ubuntu?
[06:47] <geppy> dcraven: Erm, okay.
[06:47] <WeirdAl> OK, now X didn't load at all.
[06:47] <mcquaid> Burgundavia, yes i'm aware that reflects the revisions, i'd still expect them to be in sync
[06:47] <ivoks> WeirdAl what did i say last?
[06:47] <ivoks> If your Xorg.0.log reveals troubles when initialising AGP, put this in the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[06:47] <ompaul> geppy, if you stick with linux and linux then XEN or UML is the way to go, XEN is getting rave reviews
[06:47] <Q_Continuum> HAHAHAHAHA good luck lauri_ if you get it working, do speak up.  You'd be the savior of millions.
[06:47] <WeirdAl> Yes, I did that.
[06:47] <lauri_> lol
[06:47] <mcquaid> how could you have 34 revisions of the headers and only 7 revisiions of the kernel?
[06:47] <Taliesin`> (Gianmaria): that would genreally tell me TFTPd is alredy unnung
[06:47] <WeirdAl> And then I rebooted, and now it won't work.
[06:47] <mcquaid> doesn't make sense
[06:47] <WeirdAl> I'm in console mode
[06:47] <ivoks> WeirdAl check out log
[06:47] <Burgundavia> the changelog will tell you why
[06:47] <Q_Continuum> and then we wouldn't be hating Macromedia as much.
[06:47] <WeirdAl> Remind me where it is?
[06:47] <Taliesin`> try running 'ps auxww|grep tftp' and see if you see anything but that command show up on screen
[06:48] <ivoks>  where all logs are, in /var/log
[06:48] <Q_Continuum> and then I could focus my hate on the sl-modem drivers being statically linked to the i386 kernel ^.^
[06:48] <josh42> lauri_: Just convince all the sites to use svg instead.. might be easier ;)
[06:48] <WeirdAl> oh
[06:48] <geppy> ompaul: Thanks!
[06:48] <Gianmaria> Taliesin`: ok , but when i nmap localhost port 69 is not open...
[06:48] <XplOzIon> geppy, it gives me same problem, and i have everything i said installed
[06:48] <Taliesin`> the running tftp may already of died
[06:48] <Taliesin`> or hasnt bound properly
[06:48] <tritium> mcquaid: the -# are merely the build numbers.
[06:48] <ivoks> Q_Continuum build ur own, i did
[06:48] <jacquesmerde> i followed the ubuntu faq on howto share a printer on a lan....all i did was edit a couple of lines in cupsd.conf....how is it sharing it?? samba???
[06:48] <geppy> XplOzIon: Go reboot.
[06:48] <part> how do I enable synaptic to consider the online repositories?
[06:48] <lauri_> josh42, what is svg?
[06:48] <Taliesin`> you also need to make sure you start tftpd as root
[06:49] <Taliesin`> else it cant use port 69
[06:49] <XplOzIon> geppy, i just did
[06:49] <Burgundavia> part, what sort of repos?
[06:49] <geppy> XplOzIon: Did you read the wiki stuff?
[06:49] <XplOzIon> geppy, i did quake3 +set r_gldriver /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[06:49] <Q_Continuum> ivoks, I'm on highspeed anytime I'm not sleeping anyway (house only good for sleep and food) so it's not a problem...I just love to have something to whine about lol
[06:49] <mcquaid> yes i know they are the build numbers, but i'd still expect them to be in sync, if i build the kernel 7 times then my headers would be 7 times as well
[06:49] <Burgundavia> part, it should be enabled for the default ubuntu ones by default
[06:49] <Gianmaria> Taliesin` - I think it's a bound problem but every other service works fine
[06:49] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: Samba isn't necessary to share a printer.
[06:49] <geppy> XplOzIon: I don't see any reason that you could logically have to do that.
[06:49] <WeirdAl> This log file looks identical to what it did last time, ivoks.
[06:49] <part> burgundavia, I read an article where the guy said there are more than 16,000 packages available to be installed when you enable the online repos
[06:49] <Burgundavia> mcquaid, if you kernel doesn't change then there is no need to rebuild it
[06:49] <tritium> mcquaid: no, not really
[06:49] <mcquaid> ok fair enough
[06:49] <WeirdAl> There's no date or time on any of it, which isn't helpful.
[06:49] <part> burgundavia, let me show you the article
[06:50] <Burgundavia> part, ok, you need to enable universe and mulitverse
[06:50] <XplOzIon> geppy, i had to, if not quake would never start
[06:50] <ivoks> WeirdAl last lines are last logs
[06:50] <part> ahh
[06:50] <part> ok
[06:50] <mcquaid> anyway my real question is how do i prevent the vesafb module from loading?
[06:50] <part> let me try that
[06:50] <Taliesin`> (Gianmaria): the two reason tftp wouldnt start for not been able to bind are a) your not root, b) tftp is alredy running or something is using the port
[06:50] <ivoks> WeirdAl look at last line in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:50] <WeirdAl> Yeah, the last lines are complaining about missing fonts.
[06:50] <mcquaid> i believe thats the source of my problems with the nvidia binary
[06:50] <Burgundavia> part, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats will mention how
[06:50] <Taliesin`> I cant give much more help outside that
[06:50] <ivoks> lol
[06:50] <mcquaid> I can't get the nvidia binary to survive a reboot
[06:50] <ivoks> WeirdAl then go up
[06:50] <geppy> XplOzIon: If that was the logical thing to do, then quake works, right?
[06:50] <geppy> XplOzIon: If that fixed it, you don't have a problem.
[06:50] <part> thank you burgundavia
[06:50] <josh42> WierdAl: Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! ?
[06:51] <geppy> XplOzIon: If that didn't fix the problem, then I stand by my statement that there's no logical reason to have to do that.
[06:51] <WeirdAl> The first error is "unable to acquire AGP"
[06:51] <jacquesmerde> dcraven: then how do i access the ubuntu machine's printer from another linux computer on the lan??? nfs?
[06:51] <WeirdAl> And just after that, there's the "2D available, 3D not" warning.
[06:51] <dcraven> mcquaid: I think you can stick it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:51] <ivoks> WeirdAl lsmod | grep agp
[06:51] <Burgundavia> part, np
[06:51] <Gianmaria> Taliesin`: ok thanks homie
[06:51] <Taliesin`> o.O
[06:51] <WeirdAl> nvidia_agp 7452 1
[06:52] <Taliesin`> No problems,
[06:52] <ivoks> nvidia?!
[06:52] <WeirdAl> agpgard 31784 1 nvidia_agp
[06:52] <ivoks> ah, ok then
[06:52] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: You should be able to pull that off just using Cups. Samba is only needed (I think) to share filesystems between Linux and Windows.
[06:52] <WeirdAl> Yeah, mobo is nvidia chipset.
[06:52] <ivoks> so, u have nvidia chipset
[06:52] <josh42> onboard nvidia that's disabled?
[06:52] <ivoks> WeirdAl search for lines with WW in ur log
[06:53] <mcquaid> i don't get how some distros set up their kernels so nvidia doesn't have probs with vesafb
[06:53] <ivoks> josh42 nvidia AGP chipset, not card
[06:53] <klaym> my amule's crashing all the time randomly. anyone else having the same problem, and have a solution? thanks!
[06:53] <mcquaid> cause it would be nice to have splash screen support
[06:53] <WeirdAl> OK...
[06:53] <mcquaid> but from what i understand without vesafb you can't have splashscreens
[06:53] <ivoks> mcquaid splash is for woosys
[06:53] <mcquaid> ivoks, don't be dumb
[06:53] <WeirdAl> "No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found"
[06:54] <ivoks> mcquaid ?
[06:54] <WeirdAl> following which, "board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported"
[06:54] <tbasten> um, i cant seem to get my s3 trio64 to work with linux
[06:54] <mcquaid> it annoys me when people imply splash screens are lame
[06:54] <ivoks> mcquaid FB is ok only for systems that need it
[06:54] <WeirdAl> then "could not detect XFree86 version (query_status=-3)
[06:54] <josh42> mcquaid: it's only the strong anti-MS sentiment
[06:54] <mcquaid> well afaik any system needs it during the boot for splash screens
[06:55] <WeirdAl> And then stuff about no 3D available.
[06:55] <ivoks> mcquaid they breake a) vmware, b) come grap. cards c) create high lattency
[06:55] <mcquaid> josh42, ya i hear ya
[06:55] <ivoks> mcquaid PC doesn't need FB
[06:55] <josh42> WeirdAl: do you have an nforce 3-4?
[06:55] <mcquaid> well it would be nice if vesafb could be loaded for boot up and then unloaded once X takes over
[06:56] <WeirdAl> I don't know what type it is. It's just an nforce in my mind.
[06:56] <ivoks> mcquaid omg, u don't know shit about operating systems, right? :)
[06:56] <tritium> ivoks: please be kind
[06:56] <Burgundavia> ivoks, please stay civil here
[06:56] <josh42> third that emotion
[06:56] <mcquaid> but i'm probably going to recompile the kernal anyways, i don't like it that ubuntu's kern only has generic ide support
[06:56] <ivoks> sorry guys
[06:56] <WeirdAl> I'm hungry.
[06:56] <mcquaid> shouldn't need to force dma with hdparm
[06:57] <WeirdAl> ivoks, I typed out the WWs that seemed relevant.
[06:57] <WeirdAl> i.e. the ones with fglrx in.
[06:57] <ivoks> mcquaid ubuntu's kernel doesn't have only generic support
[06:57] <Burgundavia> the issue is that old drives don't work with dma enabled
[06:57] <dcraven> jacquesmerde: You can add the LAN printer via System, Administration, Printers. The URI notation will likely be http://lan_server_ip:632/printers/printername.
[06:57] <Mackie_Messer> whats wrong with generic ide support?
[06:57] <ivoks> WeirdAl i really don't know..
[06:57] <Q_Continuum> Guys...how good is Ubuntu's support of a chipset that's only been in public release for a week?
[06:57] <Burgundavia> that is why the Ubuntu hardware database exists
[06:57] <ivoks> WeirdAl i installed aits drivers in 3 minutes
[06:57] <ivoks> WeirdAl downloaded from ATIs site and alien it
[06:57] <mcquaid> ivoks, that may be the case but it's only loading ide generic here
[06:57] <ivoks> WeirdAl then dpkg --force-all -i fglrx*deb
[06:58] <mcquaid> so i don't have dma on my cdrom drive
[06:58] <ivoks> mcquaid that's what initrd is for
[06:58] <WeirdAl> alien it?
[06:58] <WeirdAl> whut's that mean?
[06:58] <Q_Continuum> What extra stuff do I need to turn on for this dual-core Pentium D I'm about to install Ubuntu on?
[06:58] <ivoks> WeirdAl apt-cache search alien
[06:58] <ivoks> WeirdAl apt-cache search ^alien$
[06:58] <Q_Continuum> alien = rpm manager for debian based distros
[06:58] <Burgundavia> technically, alient allows conversion between many different package formats
[06:59] <Burgundavia> in many different ways
[06:59] <gunny> alien= rpm converter
[06:59] <Burgundavia> but the most common usage is rpm to deb
[06:59] <josh42> ivoks: what 3d games do you play with that setup?
[06:59] <ivoks> josh42 all?
[06:59] <Q_Continuum> who here has heard of the i955 chipset from Intel?  How well is it supported?
[06:59] <ivoks> josh42 americas army, armagetron, etc...
[06:59] <josh42> ivoks; lol sry, yeah, I meant recent tx
[06:59] <WeirdAl> I'm gonna try this one thing first.
[06:59] <ivoks> josh42 but now i buyed laptop and don't even use my desktop comp... laptop has nvidia
[07:00] <josh42> ivoks; yeah, alot of ppl doing that lately
[07:00] <ivoks> nvidia has much better drivers than ATI
[07:00] <mcquaid> ivoks, how would i instruct it to load the correct ide driver instead of generic
[07:00] <ivoks> ATI is moneyloss on linux
[07:01] <WeirdAl|Foods> So I'm led to believe.
[07:01] <mcquaid> i'd rather avoid a kernel compile if i can
[07:01] <WeirdAl|Foods> But I'm getting a new PC soon.
[07:01] <WeirdAl|Foods> So I'll get a PCIe Nvidia.
[07:01] <ivoks> mcquaid reading initrd's man pages and HOWTOs
[07:01] <tbasten> i cant seem to get my s3 trio64 to work with linux
[07:01] <josh42> WeirdAl; and hope that the kernel has bugless and optimized support for pcie? ;)
[07:01] <mcquaid> ok going to blacklist vesafb and see if it solves nvidia probs
[07:01] <mcquaid> brb
[07:01] <ivoks> mcquaid it won't :)
[07:01] <mcquaid> why won't it
[07:02] <lodd> I've been trying to install Radeon-drivers for an hour now, what do I do with the rpm-file?
[07:02] <Q_Continuum> How well will a x850xt run WoW through cedega on a dual-core HT PD?
[07:02] <WeirdAl|Foods> Gonna have to josh. I won't have AGP
[07:02] <ivoks> mcquaid vesafb loads before hotplug
[07:02] <mcquaid> cause of grub?
[07:02] <lodd> I've read the alien-man, didn't help me much
[07:02] <ivoks> lodd alien fglrx*rpm
[07:02] <ivoks> lodd then dpkg --force-all -i fglrx*.deb
[07:02] <Burgundavia> lodd, why don't you use the fglrx drivers in the repos?
[07:03] <lodd> Repos?
[07:03] <ivoks> Burgundavia aparently, people have problems with them
[07:03] <lodd> I know nothing about linux, please explain
[07:03] <ivoks> lodd put in WinXP CD and restart
[07:03] <ivoks> :)
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ?? ATI
[07:03] <[uhelp] > ati: To setup your xorg binary ati driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:03] <Burgundavia> follow that advice lodd
[07:03] <ivoks> Burgundavia WeirdAl|Foods didn't manage to get it work with that
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> I got a UPS
[07:04] <Burgundavia> ivoks, on his machine?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> it has a usb->serial converter and a serial connector
[07:04] <lexxan> ?? ati
[07:04] <mcquaid> ok if blacklisting it won't work, how do i disable vesafb?
[07:04] <lexxan> wtf
[07:04] <dcraven> I don't get that advice.. XP CD?
[07:04] <[uhelp] > Hey lexxan, i've already told #ubuntu about "ati"... no need to repeat (i think)
[07:04] <lodd> And they said Ubuntu was for beginners :(
[07:04] <ivoks> Burgundavia yes
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> how should I hook it up?
[07:04] <lexxan> ?? ati > lodd
[07:04] <Burgundavia> lodd, what kind of card do you have?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> lodd, and what kind of motherboard?
[07:04] <ivoks> mcquaid u use lilo or grub?
[07:05] <josh42> lodd: it's all good unless something doesn't go in right, or you want to use bad file formats
[07:05] <fsapo> lodd, forget the stupid rpm file
[07:05] <ivoks> ?? ati > ivoks
[07:05] <fsapo> lodd, do you know synaptic?
[07:05] <ivoks> :)
[07:05] <mcquaid> ivoks, grub
[07:05] <lexxan> ?? synaptic
[07:05] <[uhelp] > synaptic: Synaptic is an X GUI frontend to the apt-* utilities. Located in System --> Administration
[07:05] <ivoks> mcquaid edit ur /boot/menu.lst
[07:05] <lexxan> ?? grub
[07:05] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:05] <ivoks> mcquaid and add line video=off
[07:06] <fsapo> lodd, just open synapitc install fglrx and linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[07:06] <lodd> I know nothing :(
[07:06] <fsapo> lodd, believe me, i have a radeon 9800pro, those ati drivers really sux.. use the ubuntu pre-compiled one
[07:06] <IIIEars> vvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[07:06] <lexxan> lodd goto that link
[07:06] <lexxan> ?? ati
[07:06] <[uhelp] > ati: To setup your xorg binary ati driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <dcraven> I'm likin' this [uhelp]  dude.. How long has he been here?
[07:06] <ivoks> fsapo lol and thoose aren't ATIs? :)
[07:06] <dcraven> ?? ndiswrapper
[07:06] <[uhelp] > ndiswrapper[x] : No defenition found for word.
[07:06] <josh42> fsapo: I tried installing restricted, and it wouldn't let me.. is there another repo besides uni/multi-verse?
[07:06] <lexxan> ** ndis
[07:06] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: ndis. (0.002s)
[07:07] <dcraven> :( I don't like him anymore.
[07:07] <lexxan> i put him in here a few days ago
[07:07] <lexxan> ?? ndia
[07:07] <[uhelp] > ndia[x] : No defenition found for word.
[07:07] <lexxan> ?? ndis
[07:07] <[uhelp] > ndis: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:07] <fsapo> ivoks, yes they are.. but to install the rpm ones you need to compile the kernel module
[07:07] <mcquaid> ivoks, where do i add that exactly?
[07:07] <ivoks> mcquaid figure out... i don't use grub
[07:07] <ivoks> mcquaid under ur kernel image
[07:07] <Mackie_Messer> the bot is really cool, need it in real life
[07:07] <ivoks> people should start reading HOWTOs and man
[07:07] <gfoxiness> i need a hand please to continue install VMware on my sys am on "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]  " and i dont know where is it
[07:08] <ivoks> IRC makes then stoopid :(
[07:08] <Burgundavia> ivoks, the docs are coming along
[07:08] <ivoks> gfoxiness hit ENTER :)
[07:08] <ivoks> Burgundavia ?
[07:08] <gfoxiness> ivoks, its so hard u know that
[07:08] <ivoks> Burgundavia there allready are docs
[07:09] <ivoks> gfoxiness ENTER didn't work?
[07:09] <ivoks> i'm tierd...
[07:09] <fsapo> ivoks, do you have the kernel headers package installed?
[07:09] <gfoxiness> ivoks, The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.
[07:09] <mcquaid> just curious who has nvidia binaries working without problems?
[07:09] <Burgundavia> ivoks, there is a new portal coming to make it easier to read and find
[07:09] <IIIEars> Howtos are great they often show you relevant examples - man pages are only good as a reminder no examples
[07:09] <ivoks> fsapo me? nope...
[07:09] <dcraven> ivoks: IRC may make people a little more dependant, but I doubt it makes them stupid.
[07:09] <gfoxiness> ivoks, am do that b4 i see this msg by hand ;)
[07:09] <fsapo> ivoks, so that's the problem... just install the headers for your current kernel
[07:09] <ivoks> dcraven ok, adicted... and doesn't make them read...
[07:10] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: it's just offering you a defult location :)
[07:10] <ivoks> fsapo ?
[07:10] <lodd> I still can't change refresh rate :(
[07:10] <ivoks> mcquaid my nvidia works
[07:10] <gfoxiness> thoreauputic, where is it than ?
[07:10] <ivoks> gfoxiness install linux-headers package
[07:10] <IIIEars> << one week and one day using linux! :)
[07:10] <ivoks> fsapo i don't have problems :)
[07:10] <mcquaid> ivoks, and you sitll have the vesafb module loaded?
[07:11] <fsapo> ivoks, the kernel headers package will give you the kernel source
[07:11] <ivoks> mcquaid nope
[07:11] <ivoks> fsapo why would i need them? :)
[07:11] <mcquaid> did you have a simliar problem with it?
[07:11] <pdk001> how to check my free space?
[07:11] <ivoks> fsapo and u are wrong, kernel headers are just headers, not source
[07:11] <gunny> lodd: what does the monitor section of your xorg.con look like? look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:11] <tbasten> um, how come linux doesnt support my s3 trio card?
[07:11] <ivoks> mcquaid nope... it never loaded fb
[07:11] <thoreauputic> fsapo: also kernel-headers are "linux-headers" in ubuntu
[07:12] <mcquaid> thats weird it does here
[07:12] <ivoks> thoreauputic yeah... stoopid move :(
[07:12] <mcquaid> hoary?
[07:12] <fsapo> ivoks, arent you the one who was asking about the C headers file for your kernel?
[07:12] <thoreauputic> ivoks: we've been here before :)
[07:12] <ivoks> fsapo nope :)
[07:12] <fsapo> thoreauputic, yes thats it.. i ve confused everything
[07:12] <ivoks> thoreauputic right ;)
[07:12] <IIIEars> lol
[07:12] <lambic> well I had to reboot to get rid of my stray updatedb process, hate to admit defeat like that
[07:12] <fsapo> ivoks, so.. sorry :( thought that was you haha
[07:12] <ivoks> fsapo go get a coffe :)
[07:13] <fsapo> ivoks, i need to sleep
[07:13] <ivoks> or that
[07:13] <fsapo> ivoks, gfoxiness was the one asking for it
[07:13] <ivoks> mcquaid yep
[07:13] <ivoks> fsapo yes :)
[07:13] <pdk001> would someone know how to check used  hard drive?
[07:14] <IIIEars> format it and fsck? - guessing cuz' i am really new
[07:14] <ivoks> mcquaid build ur own kernel, that's the best move
[07:15] <ivoks> pdk001 listen to it...
[07:15] <ivoks> pdk001 if it's ok, u won't hear a thing
[07:15] <ivoks> pdk001 if it's not, ur ears will hurt
[07:15] <IIIEars> lol
[07:15] <Kisain_> does valves steam work with ubuntu?
[07:15] <ompaulAFK> lambic, did you get to 'sudo killall updatedb' ?
[07:15] <Burgundavia> Kisain_, it might, I have reports that it does with cedega
[07:16] <IIIEars> Kissian - from what i have read yes - it is dependent on cedega
[07:16] <Kisain_> nice
[07:16] <Kisain_> anyone had any luck with installing teamspeak?
[07:16] <lambic> I tried kill -9, always forget about killall, I'm so old school ;)
[07:16] <Mackie_Messer> lol
[07:16] <ompaul> lambic, you did it with sudo?
[07:17] <lambic> yep
[07:17] <Kisain_> i try to install it and it just don't work when i click on it'sicon
[07:17] <thoreauputic> lambic: solaris background? ;)
[07:17] <lambic> older :)
[07:17] <Burgundavia> Kisain_, you need cedega
[07:17] <ivoks> omg... icons
[07:17] <Kisain_> i have cedega
[07:17] <ivoks> i created onw great script for nautilus
[07:17] <ompaul> lambic, BSD or pdp ?
[07:17] <ivoks> for click'n'click generation
[07:17] <Kisain_> can cedega run teamspeak?
[07:17] <gfoxiness> ivoks, thank you for help
[07:17] <Kisain_> cause i have a linux verison of teamspeak
[07:18] <thoreauputic> lambic: I believe killall does what it says on solaris ;-)
[07:18] <gfoxiness> thoreauputic, u too thank you
[07:18] <ivoks> gfoxiness works?
[07:18] <lambic> bsd, sysv
[07:18] <ivoks> slowaris
[07:18] <ompaul> ivoks, that is so wrong, it is so_lart_us
[07:18] <ivoks> :)
[07:18] <ivoks> slonaris
[07:19] <ivoks> "slon" is elephant on croatian
[07:19] <ompaul> ivoks, and that other one is 'open death trap'
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Kisain_, cedega is for running windows game on linux
[07:19] <ivoks> i' tierd...
[07:19] <ivoks> going off
[07:19] <Kisain_> thats what i thought
[07:19] <fsapo> anyone here knows how can i select a audio track and the subtitles in mplayer in the command line?
[07:20] <Kisain_> but when i install teamspeak for linux it dosen't open when i click the icon
[07:20] <ivoks> this is the time of day when rhythmbox kicks in
[07:20] <Kisain_> like it's not there or something
[07:20] <ivoks> bye all
[07:20] <Kisain_> bye
[07:20] <ompaul> cheers
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> oh my god
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> it work
[07:22] <gfoxiness> ivoks, yeah its work "fine now" with out your support "will not;)"
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> the fucking thing actually worked
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> I don't believe this
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> I just put my system on a UPS
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> my monitor was all fuzzy
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> it's crystal clear
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> the thing wtas ugly as hell because of unconditioned power?!
[07:23] <PoopinClumpin> the UPS is filtering your dirty AC voltage
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> yes
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> but I mean I was getting grey blobs for text
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> now I have LCD quality display
[07:24] <bluefoxicy> my power up here must look like ass
[07:24] <IIIEars> wow that had to be hard on the eyes before the first cup of coffee in the morning.. - lol
[07:24] <PoopinClumpin> lcd quality?
[07:24] <PoopinClumpin> is that a contradiction n terms
[07:25] <bluefoxicy> PoopinClumpin:  Active matrix LCD, not dual-scanning passive matrix ;)
[07:25] <ompaul> PoopinClumpin, well you could have lower than LCD so I think not
[07:26] <stromax> ubuntu rocks!
[07:26] <stromax> a big thank you to everybody involved
[07:26] <ikaro> mojn
[07:26] <thoreauputic> another satified customer.... <yawn>..... ;-)
[07:27] <gfoxiness> yeah i see
[07:27] <Kisain_> yes ubuntu does rock i've never been happyer with an os
[07:27] <gfoxiness> :)
[07:27] <Kisain_> nor as my computer ever run as smooth
[07:27] <Kisain_> ^_^
[07:27] <ompaul> hehe
[07:27] <gfoxiness> i think this for sure for human not like other for "101111000"
[07:27] <stromax> been using debian for years. but 'just' as a server os... ubuntu is excellent for the workstation department
[07:27] <IIIEars> why "yawn"? - i tried a dozen distros before Ubuntu none worked - How about a "Pat on the back"?
[07:28] <Kisain_> gives III a pat on the back :)
[07:28] <ompaul> IIIEars, cos in the ubuntu world things tend to do the right thing if you get what I mean
[07:28] <gfoxiness> is there i way to got my fn key work on ubuntu "acer"
[07:28] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: I just meant there are so many satisfied custoners it's getting to the stage where you yawn every time :)
[07:29] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: give it a lecture and tell it to straighten up :)
[07:29] <lambic> my 60+ year old computer illiterate mother-in-law is happily using Ubuntu, thats how good it is
[07:29] <ReVeReNdoCaBrOn> wolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas
[07:30] <Kisain_> brb getting a new monitor
[07:30] <ReVeReNdoCaBrOn> uops
[07:30] <ReVeReNdoCaBrOn> wrong server XD
[07:30] <doogies> #ubuntu-fr
[07:30] <gfoxiness> thoreauputic, is this #@1### i dont like this thing :)
[07:30] <IIIEars> heh - i have a live cd for my 70 year old mom. - grin
[07:30] <bluefoxicy> oh my god, I can max my volume on my speakers and there's no noise o_o
[07:30] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: ?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: oh sorry :)
[07:31] <thoreauputic> not paying attention
[07:31] <IIIEars> If AOL would be nice enough to support linux she wouldn't use windows.
[07:31] <gfoxiness> nice :) more guys here need more cafe
[07:31] <g14> IIEars: Ever heard of Aoldialer?
[07:31] <IIIEars> aolpeng?
[07:32] <ZxC> I use a FAT Partition as a share between my windows and Linux which was about 3gb, it is now 1gb?! I have no idea how this happened. Any ideas?
[07:32] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: it's after 3AM here :)
[07:32] <stromax> bye
[07:32] <IIIEars> i don't think it supports their content
[07:32] <ompaul> thoreauputic, so I should not ring my brother in law :-)
[07:32] <Mackie_Messer> it 6:37 pm
[07:32] <Mackie_Messer> +s
[07:32] <gfoxiness> thoreauputic, what 3 am :0
[07:32] <ompaul> ntp tells me it is 18:32
[07:33] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: I run on internet time here ;)
[07:33] <Mackie_Messer> ;-)
[07:33] <gfoxiness> haha
[07:33] <g14> IIIEars: http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?package_name=los-aol Aol dialer for linux
[07:33] <gfoxiness> oh good keep a great work up thoreauputic
[07:33] <IIIEars> Great! going to check it out.
[07:33] <Mackie_Messer> where can i see internet time?
[07:33] <g14> IIIEars: And its source so you can build it on ubuntu: http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?package_name=los-aol
[07:33] <lodd> What is recommended for viewing a MPEG2-stream over the network?
[07:34] <tbasten> i am getting a really bad synch issue when playing locale movie files
[07:34] <thoreauputic> vlc?
[07:34] <Mackie_Messer> vlc, lodd
[07:34] <ompaul> Mackie_Messer, you need to run ntp and point it to pool.ntp.org
[07:34] <lodd> VLC doesn't work :(
[07:34] <gfoxiness> lodd, save a mony on my home
[07:34] <Mackie_Messer> thanx ompaul
[07:34] <g14> IIIEars: Sorry, that was the wrong link for the source, here is the correct one www.linspire.com/dialersource
[07:34] <ompaul> Mackie_Messer, actually ntpd
[07:34] <themolester> anyone have any ideas what exactly causes the grub error
[07:34] <Mackie_Messer> okay
[07:34] <themolester> when you install grub, and when you boot all it says is grub?
[07:35] <Miteorite> afternoon all. is it alright to use the unstable deb repo for ubuntu?
[07:35] <themolester> and never boots?
[07:35] <themolester> (not a grub menu, not a prompt, just the word grub
[07:35] <gfoxiness> themolester, sound strong
[07:35] <thoreauputic> themolester: grub isn't fully installed is what it means
[07:36] <themolester> thoreauputic what would cause it?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> themolester: you are missing stage 2 or something
[07:36] <themolester> a friend of mine is getting it like every time he installed
[07:36] <gfoxiness> thoreauputic, is this means its not find /boot ?!
[07:36] <thoreauputic> it isn't finding anything I guess
[07:36] <themolester> he installed one distro, diddn't get it (going from windows)
[07:37] <gfoxiness> or is it on diff distro
[07:37] <WeirdAl> Dammit, x won't start now :-(
[07:37] <themolester> then installed ubuntu
[07:37] <themolester> and got it
[07:37] <themolester> then installed the old one, it was still there
[07:37] <noah> i just noticed that somehow my /etc/fstab is missing my swap partition... should i just edit fstab or does ubuntu manage that some other way?
[07:37] <gfoxiness> themolester, override :)
[07:37] <themolester> override?
[07:37] <themolester> whoa... bob2 is here
[07:38] <themolester> heh
[07:38] <themolester> i can now bug you twice as often
[07:38] <themolester> heh
[07:38] <thoreauputic> noah: does sudo fdisk -l list a swap partition?
[07:38] <themolester> he's prolly sleepin
[07:38] <themolester> heh
[07:38] <noah> thoreauputic: yes
[07:38] <fsapo> damn.. i think i need to learn python :(
[07:39] <snader> why is that bad ;-)
[07:39] <fsapo> every program there i try still lack something that i need =/
[07:39] <gfoxiness> themolester, what the old distro u have b4 u install ubuntu
[07:39] <themolester> fsapo and c, and perl, and tcl, and ... and ... and...
[07:39] <ompaul> Miteorite, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KoreanSetupHowto have a quick look there :-) I realise that the nationality may not be correct however it answers your question
[07:39] <themolester> gfoxiness i believe it was fedora c4
[07:39] <thoreauputic> noah: don't know - but adding a swap entry in /etc/fstab is easy enough
[07:39] <ompaul> Miteorite, the answer is actually yes :-)
[07:39] <themolester> whichever the latest was
[07:39] <noah> thoreauputic: k
[07:39] <Drone4four> hello, i'm talking to all of you with the Ubuntu LiveCD -- gnoppix
[07:40] <WeirdAl> Was anyone here watching me try to get my ATI working?
[07:40] <fsapo> i want to convert some ogm file into dvd, but the script dont have any option to use a secondary audio track nor subtitles ;(
[07:40] <lexxan> WeirdAl, did you follow the wiki
[07:40] <Drone4four> why can i not increase the screen reolution beyond 1024x768?
[07:40] <WeirdAl> Yeh.
[07:40] <WeirdAl> Then I got loads of advice.
[07:40] <kleineu> somedy know how to have white text in panel ?
[07:40] <WeirdAl> Now X won't start.
[07:40] <WeirdAl> I'm stuck in console mode.
[07:40] <gfoxiness> thoreauputic, right !
[07:40] <K_Dallas> Drone4four, you might want to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86 and adjust the resolution there
[07:41] <ryman> is there any HTML maker for linux ? like dream weaver ?
[07:41] <IIIEars> I don't know enough to make a bootable iso that includes aol dialer plus wine (to access aol chat)
[07:41] <thoreauputic> gfoxiness: are you lagging horribly or did I miss something?
[07:41] <tbasten> How do i get my s3 trio working?
[07:41] <Burgundavia> K_Dallas, hoary uses xorg
[07:41] <ryman> and Flash program like FLash MX ?
[07:41] <K_Dallas> yeah i always forget :)
[07:41] <Drone4four> K_Dallas, you mean i type run that command?
[07:41] <jchillerup> ryman, there's some inbuilt in OOo
[07:41] <K_Dallas> Drone4four, actually sudo that command
[07:42] <ogami1972> hey channel- how long should "sudo apt-key add -" take? i've been hanging for about 3 minutes
[07:42] <Burgundavia> Drone4four, you need dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:42] <WeirdAl> lexxan, do you happen to be a display driver guru? :-s
[07:42] <jchillerup> I don't know if it's good or bad though, Rydekull
[07:42] <tbasten> How do i get my s3 trio working?
[07:42] <jchillerup> ryman,
[07:42] <lexxan> WeirdAl, no.
[07:42] <WeirdAl> oh
[07:42] <kleineu> somedy know how to have white text in panel ?
[07:42] <drac> WeirdAl: Still no luck with fglrx? Post /var/log/Xorg.0.log to www.pastebin.com ..
[07:42] <lexxan> kleineu, goto preferences?
[07:42] <ryman> jchillerup+  ? I want the easy one like Frontpage or Dreamweaver so that my gf can use it
[07:42] <WeirdAl> drac, I can't.
[07:42] <WeirdAl> I'm stuck in console mode.
[07:42] <IIIEars> guessing i would need her computer for a week to set it up - she would scream - lol
[07:42] <ryman> she doesn't know HTML
[07:42] <ompaul> WeirdAl, you could try - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:43] <thoreauputic> tbasten: as far as I know, the last edition of XFree to support s3 trio was about 3.3 or so
[07:43] <drac> WeirdAl: Upload it to some www server, or use gpm and links2 to paste.
[07:43] <ompaul> WeirdAl, that will put you back to the starting point
[07:43] <drac> Without information it's really nasty to start guessing.
[07:43] <thoreauputic> tbasten: but there should be some generic driver that would work
[07:44] <ogami1972> cd /
[07:44] <tanek> where can i get hold of the w32codecs.deb?
[07:45] <lexxan> tanek, apt-get install w32codecs (if you have the marillat repository)
[07:45] <lexxan> ** codec
[07:45] <thoreauputic> lexxan: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:45] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: restricted. (0.019s)
[07:45] <thoreauputic> oops
[07:45] <thoreauputic> tanek that was for you
[07:45] <tanek> lexxan: i timeout at marillat ftp :S
[07:46] <ZxC> tanek, if your running Ubuntu64 it won't work. Just in case you are.
[07:46] <lexxan> I had that problem a couple times
[07:47] <lexxan> but if i kept tryin it would lemme in
[07:47] <Miteorite> ompaul: thanks
[07:47] <usual> where in a package would I find a changelog, like if a package was 1.0 and it was upgraded to 1.1
[07:47] <GNAM> how can I made a user that cannot create/modify any file except on his home?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> GNAM: ? that's the default behaviuor
[07:47] <ompaul> Miteorite, np
[07:47] <GNAM> auauau wow
[07:47] <lexxan> tonek
[07:47] <thoreauputic> *behaviour
[07:48] <lexxan> ?? restricted
[07:48] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:48] <thoreauputic> GNAM: except for /tmp
[07:48] <lexxan> oops
[07:48] <lexxan> here it is
[07:48] <lexxan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[07:49] <lexxan> !learn add manualcodec To add w32codecs manually from the mplayer site see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[07:49] <Burgundavia> there is no reason to use that totem howto
[07:50] <le_fille_blonde_> sorry to interupt, newbie here and I cannot figure out how to mount my windows partition
[07:50] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I agree
[07:50] <Burgundavia> w32codecs gets all that you need
[07:50] <lexxan> It has the link to w32codecs
[07:50] <lexxan> and he can't get on marillat repo
[07:50] <GNAM> and except for fat32 hd mounted with umask=000
[07:50] <lexxan> !learn add manualcodec To add w32codecs manually from the mplayer site see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[07:50] <GNAM> how can I change this mount?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> le_fille_blonde_: you got the gender wrong methinks
[07:50] <lexxan> ?? ntfs
[07:50] <[uhelp] > ntfs[x] : No defenition found for word.
[07:50] <thoreauputic> la fille blonde ?
[07:50] <lexxan> ?? mountntfs
[07:50] <[uhelp] > mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:50] <K_Dallas> thoreauputic, these days i guess you could have le fille too ;)
[07:50] <le_fille_blonde_> no i got the gender quite tight
[07:51] <le_fille_blonde_> right*
[07:51] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: ;-)
[07:51] <K_Dallas> tight and right ;)
[07:51] <le_fille_blonde_> which ever can get me the help i need.....
[07:51] <WeirdAl> drac, http://www.pastebin.com/278685
[07:51] <thoreauputic> le_fille_blonde_: that's kind of what I suspected...
[07:51] <le_fille_blonde_> haha, anyways.....
[07:52] <K_Dallas> le_fille_blonde_, i guess there are great explnation on the ubuntu unofficial guide
[07:52] <usual> where in a package would I find a changelog, like if a package was 1.0 and it was upgraded to 1.1
[07:52] <drac> WeirdAl: great, i'll have a look..
[07:52] <Echylo> anyone has tried the game Enemy Territory around here? cause here it has a problem
[07:52] <WeirdAl> cheers
[07:52] <K_Dallas> le_fille_blonde_, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:52] <thoreauputic> le_fille_blonde_:  mount -t filesystem-type /dev/hda1 /your/mountpoint
[07:53] <K_Dallas> thoreauputic, now that we are on the subject, could i mount it rw or only ro (for ntfs)
[07:53] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: ro for ntfs
[07:53] <drac> WeirdAl: (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENOMEM", this usually indicates problem with your AGPGART. Have you tried setting it both, "yes" and "no" from xorg.conf?
[07:53] <K_Dallas> darn, arent they going to add rw anytime soon?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: unless you like breaking things
[07:53] <K_Dallas> i know ;)
[07:53] <WeirdAl> I only tried "no", drac.
[07:54] <WeirdAl> I'll try yes now.
[07:54] <drac> WeirdAl: lspci | grep -i agp, what's your agp bus?
[07:54] <ifr> Hi, I have an exquisitely frustrating, intermittent wireless problem...
[07:54] <ifr> I m using 5.04 on a centrino with a wifi card recognized and which worked out of the box
[07:54] <ifr> but is now intern=mittent after no changes in setup.
[07:54] <lexxan> ?? wireless
[07:55] <[uhelp] > wireless: For listed hardware support see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards | Setup see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[07:55] <thoreauputic> ifr: lucky you: I have an  exquisitely frustrating life... ;-)
[07:55] <lexxan> might wanna take a look at that.
[07:55] <ifr> Sorry, I have.
[07:55] <lexxan> ** codec
[07:55] <[uhelp] > Found 2 matches. Sorted: manualcodec, restricted. (0.002s)
[07:55] <WeirdAl> drac, I presume its 0000:00:1e.0
[07:55] <ifr> And it was working but now intermirtently disconnects and I cannot reconnect without rebooting the bleeding machine.
[07:55] <drac> WeirdAl: I mean, what kind of chip it is?
[07:55] <drac> WeirdAl: via, intel?
[07:55] <WeirdAl> oh
[07:55] <ifr> I am doina ALL command line iwconfigs after guis failed to change
[07:56] <WeirdAl> nVidia chipset.
[07:56] <thoreauputic> time to get some kind of sleep - later all
[07:56] <WeirdAl> the card is ATI
[07:56] <WeirdAl> nForce 2
[07:56] <WeirdAl> (chipset)
[07:56] <K_Dallas> thoreauputic,  bonne nuit!
[07:56] <drac> WeirdAl: Do you see nvidia_agp and agpgart in 'lsmod' ?
[07:56] <thoreauputic> merci !
[07:56] <WeirdAl> yep, they turned up a while back.
[07:56] <WeirdAl> I mean, while I was getting stuff working
[07:56] <ompaul> ifr, maybe  `dhclient`  on the command line might be helpful, it might not be but it might save on reboots
[07:56] <WeirdAl> Trying to, at least :-s
[07:57] <ifr> I've been doing just tat and it times out
[07:57] <drac> WeirdAl: Ok, when you try setting "yes", unload those (rmmod nvidia_agp, rmmod agpgart). If that doesn't help, try new drivers out, those are really old one you have there now.
[07:57] <ifr> BUT I type from another machine on the same LAN and am POSITIVE that the router is providing DHCP
[07:57] <le_fille_blonde_> terminal keeps telling me /dev/hdal does not exist?
[07:58] <Mackie_Messer> *hm*
[07:58] <WeirdAl> drac, ok I'll have to get you to guide me in a minute ^.^
[07:58] <drac> WeirdAl: ok
[07:58] <ompaul> ifr, try a different card?
[07:59] <WeirdAl> This would be less frustrating if this computer weren't so rubbish.
[07:59] <ifr> The card works pefectly well, for 20 or so hours at a clip. It's a centrino notbook...
[08:00] <drac> WeirdAl: What kind of ATi do you have?
[08:00] <WeirdAl> 9800 xt
[08:00] <WeirdAl> (or is it GT? :-S)
[08:00] <WeirdAl> 9800.
[08:01] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:01] <drac> Ah ok, so fglrx is your only option to get 3d ..
[08:01] <WeirdAl> yep
[08:01] <WeirdAl> I installed fglrx
[08:01] <WeirdAl> That's what I was about to ask you.
[08:01] <WeirdAl> currently says "ati". Should I change that while I'm here?
[08:01] <drac> Backup your xorg.conf, and use 'fglrxconfig'
[08:01] <WeirdAl> k
[08:02] <Raskall> Ahh.. I simply love Ubuntu. I have got powersaving, suspend and hibernate functioning perfectly.
[08:02] <Raskall> never gotten this to work in ANY other distro
[08:03] <GNAM> simply ubuntu is never
[08:03] <GNAM> newer
[08:03] <GNAM> auaud
[08:04] <WeirdAl> Do USB mice use PS/2 protocol as standard?
[08:04] <WeirdAl> I ask because fglrxconfig wants to know what my mouse it and it's USB
[08:04] <webmind> or IMps/2
[08:04] <webmind> ?
[08:04] <wezzer> yes it uses
[08:04] <ompaul> GNAM, auaud?
[08:05] <MightyF> anyone have trouble getting .mov files to play in firefox?
[08:05] <MightyF> or any movie files for that matter
[08:05] <beerockxs> can anyone help me how to get my gameport joystick working?
[08:06] <Njal> bob2: Can you continue with that wine help? If it's not too much trouble
[08:07] <drac> WeirdAl: ExplorerPS/2, /dev/input/mice
[08:07] <Firsti> :)
[08:07] <Raskall> GNAM: Well.. I didn't get it to work in any other 2.6-based distro and I have tried A LOT of them. Debian Sarge was ubuntu's predecessor on my laptop and I couldn't get it to work properly. The point is that Ubuntu has prebuilt kernel images that has a config that is very close to what "everyone" needs.
[08:09] <jcdenton> hi people
[08:09] <wezzer-> hello
[08:09] <jcdenton> any irate package? i need irate in my ubuntu!!! but not with java web start :-(
[08:11] <Njal> wine help anyone?
[08:12] <HarrisonF> hi there, i am trying to install 5.04 but during install the first problem is it can't find my cd-rom, it is a NEC ND-3530A (DVD-RW), it is prompting me for the cd-rom module, which i have no idea
[08:12] <beerockxs> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick working?
[08:12] <WeirdAl> drac, which DRI restriction scheme do you recommend?
[08:12] <WeirdAl> Uh
[08:12] <WeirdAl> drac, I mean, it's asking me who should have Direct Rendering Interface privileges.
[08:12] <WeirdAl> users, root, video, dri, or everyone. What do you recommend? users?
[08:12] <ttrout> is there a way to access the nautilus mount on the desktop to a network share from the CL?
[08:12] <drac> WeirdAl: Go with defaults, on those questions you have no idea. They are pretty ok.
[08:13] <WeirdAl> alrighty
[08:14] <ttrout> do you have to create a seperate cl mount to be able to access by command line? thanks....
[08:14] <ttrout> does that make any since to anyone? ;)
[08:16] <ttrout> Hello everyone, can anyone help me with a nautilus network share issue?
[08:16] <lexxan> ttrout, ask
[08:16] <ttrout> is there a way to access the nautilus mount on the desktop to a network share from the CL?
[08:17] <ubuntu> hello all
[08:17] <ttrout> hello ubuntu
[08:17] <WeirdAl> drac, I moved XF86Config-4 to /etc/X11. That right? :-s
[08:17] <ubuntu> ttrout: hi
[08:17] <WeirdAl> It did tell me where to move it but then it went offscreen.
[08:19] <outlier> Complete newb question: I've got a computer with a wireless network card I'd like to get connected to the net so I can use apt.  Any ideas how to do this?  The card is a linksys WMP54g V4 if that helps, and it seems to have been detected OK on the pci bus, but where do I go from there?
[08:19] <WeirdAl> draaaaaaaaaaaaaaac come baaaaaaaaaaaack :(
[08:20] <lexxan> Does anyone know how to switch out of fullscreen mode with tsclient?
[08:20] <beerockxs_> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick working?
[08:20] <lexxan> ?? wireless
[08:20] <[uhelp] > wireless: For listed hardware support see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards | Setup see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[08:21] <ubuntu> lexxan: escape?
[08:21] <outlier> Thanks
[08:22] <ttrout> lexxan: I think just esc will do it...
[08:22] <justid> What's the equivalent for the Arial font?
[08:23] <WeirdAl> drac, have you died? :-(
[08:23] <outlier> Ah.  It appears I've got an unsupported card.  Blah.  Appreciate the links though.
[08:23] <lexxan> o
[08:24] <lexxan> nope no go
[08:25] <ubuntu> lexxan: ok sorry I'll look some more
[08:26] <WeirdAl> What's tsclient?
[08:26] <lexxan> I can't find it anywhere
[08:26] <ubuntu> terminal service client
[08:26] <HarrisonF> aha!  fixed it
[08:26] <jaderobbins> cool :D
[08:28] <lexxan> ah
[08:28] <lexxan> ctrl-alt-enter
[08:28] <ubuntu> that was my second guess :)
[08:28] <WeirdAl> Well DUH, obviously.
[08:28] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:28] <beerockxs_> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick working?
[08:29] <WeirdAl> Can anyone pick up where drac left off?
[08:29] <WeirdAl> I might resort to playing Doom 3 in Windows.
[08:29] <WeirdAl> And then he'll come back at an inconvenient time and I'll be annoyed.
[08:29] <housetier> life's a bitch
[08:29] <lexxan> Is there a short cut key to switch desktops?
[08:29] <ubuntu> roll your mouse wheel
[08:29] <Eloadi> hello
[08:30] <lexxan> lol
[08:30] <lexxan> that doesn't do anything
[08:30] <ubuntu> lexxan: it doesn't?
[08:30] <lexxan> no
[08:30] <WeirdAl> ubuntu: of course ont.
[08:30] <WeirdAl> not
[08:30] <Eloadi> i have slack and windows installed, dual boot with lilo
[08:30] <lexxan> I thought alt-1 alt-2 etc wrked
[08:30] <lexxan> worked
[08:30] <WeirdAl> If that changed desktop, scrolling documents would be well annoying.
[08:30] <Eloadi> i want to add ubuntu to the list.
[08:30] <ubuntu> oh in irssi?
[08:30] <lexxan> no
[08:30] <lexxan> just in gnome
[08:30] <Eloadi> any suggestions regarding how to do it?
[08:30] <ubuntu> oh works for me :)
[08:31] <lexxan> I wanna  have my tsclient to windows box maximixed on desktop 2 all the time
[08:31] <lexxan> maximized
[08:31] <housetier> the mouse cursor has to be over the root window
[08:31] <lexxan> ya i see
[08:31] <ubuntu> does anyone run KDE on ubuntu?
[08:31] <WeirdAl> _
[08:31] <lexxan> i can't hover it though when tsclient is maximized
[08:31] <lexxan> ubuntu, yes i tried it yesterday
[08:31] <lexxan> ubuntu, it was bloated and buggy
[08:32] <lexxan> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <WeirdAl> slash-me dislikes KDE
[08:32] <ubuntu> LOL
[08:32] <lexxan> i removed it all heh
[08:32] <tritium> lexxan: Ctrl-Alt-<arrow keys>
[08:32] <FunnyLookinHat> is there a apt package that helps me change my fstab to include NTFS partitions or do I have to change it all manually
[08:32] <lexxan> tritium, thx
[08:33] <ubuntu> I usually run Slackware, I'm downloading Ubuntu right now..I'm running on the LIVE CD at the moment I really like it
[08:33] <FunnyLookinHat> ubuntu, Yup...  I used to go with slack, but in terms of a desktop it just doesn't cut it.
[08:33] <lexxan> ?? mountntfgs
[08:33] <[uhelp] > mountntfgs[x] : No defenition found for word.
[08:33] <lexxan> ?? mountntfs
[08:33] <[uhelp] > mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:34] <karsten> hey
[08:34] <FunnyLookinHat> ty lexxan
[08:34] <karsten> anybody knows a good guide to installing?
[08:34] <hussam> I have a saa7134 tv card.
[08:34] <hussam> I loaded the driver using: modeprobe saa7134 card=11 tuner=2
[08:34] <hussam> The video works but without sound. Linein volume is set correctly and all sound cables are set up correctly. The used to work in fedora and it still works in WindowsXP.
[08:34] <hussam> Even if I hookup the tv card directly to the speakers, no sound comes out.
[08:34] <hussam> any idea?
[08:34] <WeirdAl> heh, I have a bash script called mountntfs
[08:35] <WeirdAl> Oh, no I don't... it's called ntfsmount ^^
[08:35] <bodaciousb> does anyone know where i can get a good chmod tutorial? last night i screwed it up, and all the icons on my desktop became little x's, aperently i baneed myself from my own machine
[08:37] <ubuntu> bodaciousb: chmod username filename
[08:38] <ubuntu> bodaciousb: and if you want to do a whole directory...do this
[08:38] <mcphail> bodaciousb: try sudo chmod -R +r /usr/share/pixmaps/
[08:38] <karsten> hey, is it possible to mount NTFS drives?
[08:38] <bodaciousb> ubuntu, last night i did "sudo chmod -rwxrwxrwx /usr/local/games/quake3" and it fryed my linux install
[08:38] <delire> karsten: you can mount them yes, but rarely write to them
[08:38] <ubuntu> chmod username -R username /some/directory
[08:38] <h|barbobot> does anyone know where mysql databases are stored by default?
[08:39] <ubuntu> oh sorry thinking of chown :)
[08:39] <bodaciousb> mcphail, -R is recursive, and +r is +read?
[08:39] <mcphail> bodaciousb: yes
[08:40] <ompaul> ubuntu, chown username:username file_foo :-)
[08:40] <mcphail> mcphail: but check the syntax...
[08:40] <Fator_Dee> bodaciousb: isn't "man chmod" enough of a tutorial?
[08:40] <bodaciousb> mcp so sudo chmod -R +r would enable that directry so my only user can acess it and read/write/
[08:40] <ompaul> ubuntu, chown username:groupname file_foo :-)
[08:40] <bodaciousb> Fator_Dee, ill read that =)
[08:41] <mcphail> bodaciousb: everyone shouldbe able to read
[08:41] <ubuntu> http://linux.math.tifr.res.in/manuals/man/chmod.html
[08:41] <franco> Alguien habla espaol??
[08:41] <franco> speak spanish??
[08:41] <Airo> Un poqusimo
[08:42] <jeroen_> Hello everybody
[08:42] <delire> ubuntu: chown -R user /path/to/dir
[08:42] <franco> m ok
[08:42] <chillywilly> lalalla
[08:42] <jeroen_> I have a question about Samba
[08:42] <franco> yo no se nada de ingles :(
[08:42] <Burgundavia> franco, #ubuntu-es
[08:42] <delire> hehe no spanish.. i think there is a spanish channel
[08:43] <Airo> ok, estudio espaol desde hace 8 meses..
[08:43] <Airo> entonces, no hablo mucho
[08:44] <ubuntu> bodaciousb: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l14/lesson14b.html
[08:44] <ubuntu> that is a really good one
[08:44] <franco> tambien es la primera vez que entro a este chat
[08:44] <Airo> pero, quizs pueda ayudarte?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> franco, Airo please go to #ubuntu-es
[08:44] <bodaciousb> ubuntu, thank you
[08:44] <ubuntu> no problem
[08:44] <Airo> Burgundavia, yeps, ok
[08:44] <Burgundavia> Airo, cheers, thanks
[08:45] <drcode> any one mybe know about glxinfo ?
[08:45] <Airo> franco, -> #ubuntu-es
[08:45] <delire> drcode : what's up?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> drcode, what is the issue?
[08:45] <drcode> hi
[08:45] <drcode> I have two problem
[08:45] <drcode> 1. openvpn dosnt work for me from work
[08:45] <drcode> it connect to my linux great
[08:45] <drcode> but I want to ping also to internet true vpn tunnel
[08:46] <drcode> 2. I run some games in wine
[08:46] <drcode> thay run slow
[08:46] <drcode> I read somthing about glxinfo 3d?
[08:46] <delire> drcode: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:46] <delire> drcode: do you see a "direct rendering: No"
[08:47] <franco> porque ponen ubuntu-es
[08:47] <franco> es una sala en espaol??
[08:47] <bad_mongo> why wont't cd player work? I'm pressing play, but it automaticly stops right after!
[08:47] <drcode> yes
[08:47] <drcode> is it good or bad?
[08:48] <delire> drcode: bad, if you want to play games.
[08:48] <delire> drcode: now lspci | grep VGA
[08:48] <drcode> I read that I can install DRI?
[08:48] <drcode> in my work I have Matrox g200 agp
[08:48] <drcode> here I have nvidia 2.0
[08:48] <drcode> I can't belive it dosnt support it
[08:49] <delire> drcode: do you want hardware accelleration on this machine, or the one at work?
[08:49] <drcode> I dont know
[08:50] <drcode> if mga g200 support hardware
[08:50] <drcode> I belive nvidia support it
[08:50] <delire> drcode: which machine do you want to play games on?
[08:50] <delire> drcode: ok there is an nvidia installer, if you want the proprietary nvidia drivers for your card.
[08:50] <drcode> at home and work
[08:50] <drcode> I did
[08:50] <drcode> one by one from the guid
[08:50] <delire> drcode: lsmod | grep nvidia
[08:51] <delire> drcode: anything?
[08:51] <drcode> nvidia               3923388  0
[08:51] <drcode> agpgart                31784  2 intel_agp,nvidia
[08:51] <delire> drcode: ok are you using hoary or warty?
[08:51] <FunnyLookinHat> Should I use NFS or SAMBA?  Does one seem to work better than another?
[08:52] <drcode> hoary
[08:52] <Fish-Face> Whee! I've installed ubuntu!
[08:52] <doid> Hey, Im trying to install a module for my wlan, it's a dlink 8180, but the 2.6 module wont compile. (Fedora tho) Anyone who knows about this module, and how to fix it?
[08:52] <delire> drcode: ok, so 'grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[08:53] <doid> It tried to find /lib/modules/2.6.../build, which dosen't exist
[08:53] <drcode> empty
[08:53] <mcphail> doid: IIRC that module only works on fedora
[08:53] <Fish-Face> Anyways, I'm trying to compile my wlan driver, but it needs /lib/modules/<kernel>/build/.tmp_versions
[08:53] <Fish-Face> Where'd they hide this?
[08:54] <mcphail> doid: check sourceforge.net to see if that has changed...
[08:54] <tritium_> Fish-Face, you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) before you'll be able to do that
[08:54] <drcode> it gave me empty line
[08:54] <doid> mcphail, well it should work I think?
[08:54] <delire> drcode: ok, what about 'grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[08:54] <doid> for the openmodule?
[08:54] <Fish-Face> tritium_ Are they on the CD somewhere?
[08:54] <mcphail> doid: i remember reading something saying it only compiles on FC
[08:55] <doid> ok
[08:55] <tritium_> Fish-Face, I don't recall about the CD, but they're apt-gettable
[08:55] <Raskall> can anyone tell me how I can automatically have different nicks on two chatnets during startup of irssi?
[08:55] <doid> I got them from Dlink
[08:55] <drcode> Driver "nv"
[08:55] <Fish-Face> tritium_, if you recall, these are my network drivers I'm trying to install ;-)
[08:55] <trust> is there a howto around for video capture cards?
[08:55] <Fish-Face> I'll hunt them out, thanks!
[08:55] <delire> drcode: you are using the wrong driver.
[08:55] <mcphail> doid: but check the website - it might have changed. Otherwise use ndiswrapper
[08:55] <delire> drcode: edit that file to read 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' and restart X
[08:55] <doid> Iv tried ndiswrapper, dosen't work
[08:55] <delire> drcode: that is your problem i believe.
[08:56] <delire> i have to eat now.
[08:56] <drcode> what>?
[08:56] <tritium_> Fish-Face, use your current method of internet access to download the .deb packages then
[08:56] <mcphail> doid: many people have that card working with ndiswrapper. Use he most up to date version and as many windows drivers as you can get your hands on.
[08:56] <h|barbobot> scheduling while atomic syslogd /0x00000101/5954 <---anyone know what this means? it seems to love filling up my system logs
[08:56] <Fish-Face> While I'm doing that, was I ever given the root password while installing? I had to do sudo passwd root
[08:57] <tritium_> there is no root passwed
[08:57] <tritium_> passwd
[08:57] <Raskall> figured it out myself. :)
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Fish-Face, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[08:57] <tritium_> ^^^
[08:57] <drcode> I can fix it?
[08:57] <Fish-Face> Weird... I did su, hit enter and wasn't allowed in
[08:57] <tritium_> Fish-Face, see the URL from Burgundavia
[08:58] <Fish-Face> Yeah, I'ma reading
[08:58] <drcode> k
[08:58] <Raskall> Fish-Face: thats what it supposed to be like. Do everything with sudo from the user you created during boot.
[08:58] <drcode> delire: U have mybe email ?
[08:58] <Raskall> Fish-Face: or do "sudo passwd root"
[08:58] <Fish-Face> Ohh... sudo -i/s
[08:58] <Fish-Face> I didn't even know they were options
[08:58] <Fish-Face> Raskall, I already have done sudo passwd root
[08:58] <Fish-Face> But I was a little confused, that's all :)
[08:59] <Fish-Face> (trying to poke around a home directory - otherwise I'd need to sudo every command)
[08:59] <Raskall> Fish-Face: ok.. I use to start "Root Terminal" from Applications->System tools
[08:59] <tritium_> Fish-Face, not if you use sudo -s
[08:59] <Echylo> wat is the easiest way to set up a ftp server?
[08:59] <Raskall> Fish-Face: then you can just do "passwd"
[08:59] <Fish-Face> It was just while ubuntu was doing it's first-time-startup stuff
[08:59] <Fish-Face> Anyways, fixed now. Thanks for the info
[09:00] <zxc_> how do you check how much space you have left on your linux partition?
[09:00] <Echylo> ZxC, terminal df -h
[09:00] <h|barbobot> df -h
[09:00] <mcphail> ZxC: df -h
[09:00] <Raskall> Fish-Face: and good for you to choose ubuntu. The first really good linux distro in many years.
[09:01] <zxc_> huh...it says I have "3.9G" but I set ubuntu up on 40gb
[09:01] <Fish-Face> Raskall, I've used RH9, FC2 and FC3. I thought it was time to try something else
[09:01] <zxc_> wtf :?
[09:01] <Fish-Face> And debian seemed the most logical. I didn't want to sit around compiling everything in Gentoo, nor have to set up EVERYTHING in Slack.
[09:02] <blueyed> Can someone give me a hint about replacing lilo for grub as boot loader? (just dist-upgraded Debian woody.. :)
[09:02] <Raskall> Fish-Face: I had my favorite of RH9. Have tried FC*, Debian woody, sarge, Xandros, SuSE, Mandrake, etc, etc, etc since RH9 became payware. Haven't managed to settle with anything until ubuntu. :)
[09:02] <Raskall> s/of/in/
[09:02] <zxc_> does "3.9G" in df- h mean 3.9GB?
[09:02] <crimsun> blueyed: it's as simple as installing grub and running grub-install
[09:03] <blueyed> thanks, crimsun.
[09:03] <housetier> zxc_ I would assume so, yes
[09:03] <crimsun> blueyed: though there are several precautions if your /boot or / use XFS
[09:03] <blueyed> no, all ext3.
[09:03] <crimsun> blueyed: oh, and uninstall lilo first
[09:03] <zxc_> Housetier, but this can't be right, I partitioned my ubuntu partition to 30 or 40 gb
[09:03] <Raskall> zxc_: yes.. the -h means "human readable". G=Gigs, M=Megs, K=Kilos. I havent had the opportunity to check if it handles T correctly.
[09:03] <blueyed> just with apt, crimsun?
[09:04] <crimsun> blueyed: with lilo itself (-u), then with apt/dpkg
[09:04] <Fish-Face> Raskall, I've also formatted the partition as ReiserFS... just for the hell of it :D
[09:04] <mkerby> Hi everyone
[09:04] <Raskall> Fish-Face: :)
[09:05] <Fish-Face> Raskall, I believe it's faster than ext3, so it seems worthwhile.
[09:05] <tritium_> hi nickrud
[09:05] <Raskall> Fish-Face: I try to keep my ubuntu as vanilla as possible and its actually not a problem.
[09:05] <nickrud> hi back
[09:05] <Raskall> Fish-Face: hmm.. how do I convert?
[09:05] <zxc_> wtf...>_<, can I increase my ubuntu partition size using partition magic without losing any information it?
[09:05] <Fish-Face> Raskall, ehm... not sure how to do it and keep the data :)
[09:05] <zxc_> *on it
[09:05] <HarrisonF> hum
[09:06] <Raskall> Fish-Face: darn it. :) I don't want to do another reinstall now. Read about what happened last week at http://rolfas.net/?p=335
[09:06] <Fish-Face> I think it's possible... Perhaps :D
[09:07] <mcphail> Raskall: i've never found much difference between ReiserFS and Ext3
[09:07] <mkerby> I've got hoary. I'm trying to run my favorite weather app, Liquid Weather.  But it runs on Superkaramba, which apparently doesn't like xorg. Any way around this?
[09:07] <crimsun> mkerby: the version in universe doesn't work?
[09:07] <HarrisonF> i upgraded hoary to kernel 2.6.11 and now gnome freezes right after login, any wild guesses as to the reason?
[09:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know why my apt-get isn't finding a package called scons that is in this tutorial in the Ubuntu forums?
[09:08] <Raskall> Fish-Face: the built in card of my laptop (thinkpad a31p) hasn't worked properly with orinoco and a readme in the newest orinoco archive said intersil prism 2.5 was quite buggy and they havent fixed it. So I blacklisted the orinoco-drivers and tried the xp drivers in ndiswrapper
[09:08] <Fish-Face> Raskall, anyways, I just saw the format as... option and thought "what the hell"
[09:08] <crimsun> HarrisonF: boot with "noinotify"
[09:08] <Raskall> Fish-Face: it broke a lot of files in /lib and rendered me unable to boot.
[09:08] <crimsun> HarrisonF: or stop using 2.6.11, because it's not supported.
[09:08] <Fish-Face> Ouch
[09:08] <mkerby> crimsun, not with the newest Liquid Weather, which is the only one I can find.
[09:08] <ompaul> zxc_, never done it myself, if goes against the logic of how one builds a filesystem, that being said it is possible, however why not build another partition and move data to it?
[09:08] <tritium_> HarrisonF, there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11, so if you're using nvidia binary drivers, for example, you'll have problems
[09:08] <Raskall> HarrisonF: its the same with me. I have just forgotten about 2.6.11 until it's supported.
[09:08] <HarrisonF> crimsun: unfortunately, i have to use 2.6.11 cause the AHCI issues
[09:09] <crimsun> HarrisonF: then boot with "noinotify"
[09:09] <mkerby> Superkaramba has updated recently. The newest version isn't in any of the repositories.
[09:09] <Fish-Face> OK, I've found those files on the CD after all that
[09:10] <Fish-Face> Oh, before I go, the maximum resolution is 1024x768, is that just a mix-up in xorg.conf or what?
[09:10] <hussam> HarrisonF: where did you obtain kernel 2.6.11 from?
[09:10] <blueyed> crimsun, will grub work without a menu.lst or will I have to copy over it from the examples dir?
[09:10] <crimsun> blueyed: copy it over and modify it
[09:10] <HarrisonF> hussam: universe
[09:10] <REWind> have anyone experianced problems with USB storage lately? My USD storage doesn't mount anymore...
[09:11] <doid> Tried the drivers at sourceforge, dosen't work
[09:11] <hussam> HarrisonF: did you get your Nvidia or ATi card wroking with it:
[09:11] <crimsun> REWind: lsmod|grep sd_mod
[09:11] <HarrisonF> hussam: my nvidia card kinda worked ;)  but gnome freezes after launching, but it works fine with GDM
[09:12] <ryman> I can't open floppy drive =(
[09:12] <CB> quick question
[09:12] <tritium_> hussam, there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11, so you can't unless you build your own
[09:12] <crimsun> HarrisonF: I already told you a workaround for that :)
[09:12] <hussam> tritium_: how do I build them?
[09:12] <CB> how come I can't run bittorrent
[09:12] <tritium_> hussam, you're using the nvidia binary drivers, correct?
[09:12] <HarrisonF> crimsun: yea, i am trying it now
[09:12] <ryman> it says "couldn't determine filesystem file"
[09:13] <REWind> crimsun, yes that module is loaded if that is what you mean..
[09:13] <Hannes_> mm
[09:13] <Hannes_> breezy doesn't automount my camera as hoary did...
[09:13] <tritium_> hussam, you'll have to build it from nvidia-kernel-source package
[09:13] <ryman> can someone please help me with floppy drive ?
[09:13] <Hannes_> how can I mount it manually?
[09:13] <hussam> tritium_:ok I'll try that
[09:13] <josh42> is there an fps demo that can really show off my a64+9800 pro in ubuntu?
[09:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Does anyone know why "scons" is not found by synaptic and apt-get?
[09:13] <crimsun> REWind: in dmesg, is there any output regarding "sd" ?
[09:14] <tritium_> hussam, do you absolutely need 2.6.11?
[09:14] <pztak> is there a way to set it up so that when i receive new mail in evolution, it will have something like "X new email messages" in the top launch bar?
[09:14] <crimsun> FunnyLookinHat: have you enabled the universe repo?
[09:14] <FunnyLookinHat> crimsun: I am not sure.
[09:14] <WeirdAl> Why is startx not found, and how can I find it?
[09:14] <tritium_> FunnyLookinHat, you likely didn't.
[09:14] <FunnyLookinHat> crimsun:  No, I haven't...
[09:14] <CB> I've downloaded bittorrent via synaptic, how come I can't can't run bittorrent by typing "bittorrent" in the CLI?
[09:15] <hussam> tritium_: can you take a look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31276  I have a feeling it will be solved if I upgrade to 2.6.11
[09:15] <crimsun> WeirdAl: startx is in the xbase-clients package.
[09:15] <WeirdAl> ta
[09:15] <ringmauer> how to start ssh in ubuntu?
[09:15] <HarrisonF> i hate using bleeding edge kernels
[09:15] <crimsun> ringmauer: the server? aptitude install openssh-server
[09:15] <tritium_> hussam, what makes you think so?
[09:15] <ringmauer> okay
[09:16] <Hannes_> crimsun: my usb mass storage device doesn't mount itself automatically
[09:16] <lao_v> ringmauer: ssh username@hostname
[09:16] <ringmauer> i know crimsun , but how to start it
[09:16] <Hannes_> syslog says it found it
[09:16] <mcphail> CB: use a GUI client like azureus
[09:16] <hussam> tritium_: it worked when I was on fedora on 2.6.11 before I switched to ubuntu
[09:16] <nickrud> pztak, I don't think so
[09:16] <WeirdAl> According to my xorg log i don't have any screen.s
[09:16] <WeirdAl> s
[09:17] <crimsun> Hannes_: neither does mine. Is sd_mod loaded?
[09:17] <WeirdAl> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[09:17] <pztak> nickrud, what's the D-BUS thing about then?
[09:17] <tritium_> hussam, well, I can't guarantee that it will
[09:18] <WeirdAl> any ideas? :-(
[09:18] <Hannes_> crimsun: ok, work's now
[09:18] <Hannes_> thanks
[09:18] <crimsun> Hannes_: np
[09:18] <Burgundavia> pztak, dbus is for passing message between applications
[09:18] <WeirdAl> All I wanted was for OpenGL to use hardware, and now I don't have a GUI at all.
[09:18] <hussam> tritium_: could it some configuration I should do to get sound working in tv card without upgrading the kernel?
[09:19] <crimsun> mkerby: does it work with 0.36?
[09:19] <tritium_> hussam, possibly, yes.
[09:19] <HarrisonF> crimsun: great, the noinotify worked, where do i send the check?  ;)
[09:19] <WeirdAl> Can I even uninstall all the stuff I've done and go back to basics?
[09:19] <crimsun> HarrisonF: :)
[09:19] <nickrud> pztak, I'm no programmer :)   roughly, it's a way for process to notify each other about various changes
[09:19] <stian> h
[09:19] <tritium_> WeirdAl, did you install ubuntu packages, or nvidia drivers from their website?
[09:19] <delire_chilli_no> josh42: look for DHLORE or even grab the doom3 demo
[09:20] <hussam> tritium_: any idea how or where I can obtain more info?
[09:20] <Frafra> what i need install for mount hfs partition?
[09:20] <Luke> hey guys i've got a ubuntu computer with a VIA 82C686A/B rev50 sound card that plays gnome sound, oggs, and cds, but not MP3's. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[09:20] <Raskall> ahh.. this channel is unbearable without "/ignore all -public -actions -msgs"
[09:20] <delire_chilli_no> josh42: http://darwinia.co.uk is a good little demo also
[09:20] <tritium_> hussam, not really
[09:21] <stianh> Hey, I am getting an error message from synaptic everthing something has finished installing. There are about ten lines or more, anywhere I can post them for feedback?
[09:21] <pztak> so how do i use dbus notification upon mail arival? i mean, what's the point of there's nothing that notifies you when mail arrives in the launchbar or something like that
[09:21] <pztak> ?
[09:21] <tritium_> Luke, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:21] <REWind> crimsun, yes I get some outputs about it, a nice list though so I don't think I can give it to you here on the channel. It gives me the partitions and some other facts.. it worked for a few weeks ago. Stoped as well as my Java to work at a stage...
[09:21] <crimsun> REWind: paste onto http://pastebin.com
[09:21] <Luke> tritium_: thanks
[09:21] <WeirdAl> tritium, I installed packages. Having uninstalled packages again, I've got a gui.
[09:21] <josh42> delire_chilli_no; awesome.. I think I will stay away from dhlore - cnr linspire=yuccky, but I will def try the others :)
[09:21] <pztak> Raskall, visit ubuntuguide.org
[09:22] <WeirdAl> So if I install xorg-driver-fglrx, I can't have a GUI.
[09:22] <nickrud> pztak, I've been using evolution since it was beta, and I'm still waiting :)
[09:22] <pztak> nickrud, damn.. that's a pretty basic/important feature, i'd say
[09:23] <blueyed> crimsun, to create a /boot/grub/menu.lst you can run update-grub.. jfi.. :)
[09:23] <Raskall> pztak: why?
[09:23] <Nalioth> nickrud are you inciting conversation again?
[09:23] <nickrud> Nalioth, possibly :)
[09:23] <pztak> Raskall, you need to install a special package for mp3 because of IP restrictions/etc
[09:23] <crimsun> blueyed: yes, that's in the readme.
[09:23] <Raskall> pztak: guess you got to adjust your glasses. it wasnt me wondering about that.
[09:24] <Nalioth> ?? restrictd
[09:24] <[uhelp] > restrictd[x] : No defenition found for word.
[09:24] <Nalioth> ?? restricted
[09:24] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:24] <Nalioth> raskall see uhelp 2nd answer
[09:24] <redby> Hello to all
[09:24] <crimsun> mkerby: can you confirm that it works with superkaramba 0.36?
[09:25] <REWind> crimsun, can you give me a hint what that site is all about, please? looks intressting but don't know how to classify things..
[09:25] <pztak> Raskall, i guess i should.. heh, Luke was wondering about that.. sorry..
[09:25] <Kisain_> is there a msn messenger for ubuntu?
[09:25] <InitMass> which package is needed when installing C programs from source?
[09:25] <mcphail> pztak: There used to be a mail checker applet, but i think it was removed in GNOME 2.10. Might be back in breezy.
[09:25] <crimsun> REWind: paste your sd-related output from dmesg onto there. It's used for troubleshooting.
[09:25] <Nalioth> crimsun what superkaramba thang r we talking about?
[09:25] <redby> Can anybody help me with dvd suport in Nautilus?? Please
[09:25] <Raskall> Kisain_: yes. lots.. but gaim is the one included in the default install. but you won't get video and audio conferencing. not games either. just the chatting.
[09:25] <Nalioth> InitMass, "build-essential"
[09:26] <crimsun> Nalioth: mkerby mentioned that something doesn't work with the superkaramba (0.35) in Hoary.
[09:26] <Kisain_> what would you recommend for ubuntu?
[09:26] <crimsun> Nalioth: if he can confirm that 0.36 fixes it, I'll upload 0.36 to Breezy.
[09:26] <InitMass> Nalioth, thanx
[09:26] <Raskall> Kisain_: Gaim is by far the best im app for linux.
[09:26] <jeroen_> Kisain_: I recommend amsn
[09:27] <Kisain_> i know but it seems to suck up cpu poer
[09:27] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Unless you also want to use Yahoo, AIM etcetera
[09:27] <Kisain_> power
[09:27] <Segosa> hmm what window manager do you guys recommend.
[09:27] <Kisain_> no just msn is what i use
[09:27] <pdk001> reboot
[09:27] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Then use amsn
[09:27] <ringmauer> how to start an ssh server on ubuntu?
[09:27] <pixman> Segosa, for integrity & usability: gnome
[09:27] <Kisain_> ok how do i find it?
[09:27] <jeroen_> Kisan_: It works very msn-like
[09:27] <Kisain_> nice
[09:28] <crimsun> ringmauer: when you install openssh-server, it's started automatically.
[09:28] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Do you know synaptic?
[09:28] <Raskall> Kisain_: amsn is also good, but my recommendation is to just start Gaim from "Applications->Internet"
[09:28] <Kisain_> yes
[09:28] <pixman> Segosa, for low ressources: fluxbox or windowmaker :)
[09:28] <Segosa> hm I haven't tried windowmaker
[09:28] <REWind> crimsun, will someone look at that and might change something in future updates is that the way it works? Thanks anyways...
[09:28] <jeroen_> Kisain_: well, it's in there
[09:28] <Segosa> I tried xfce earlier
[09:28] <pixman> xfce is cool
[09:28] <Segosa> anf fluxbox
[09:28] <Kisain_> cool
[09:28] <Segosa> and*
[09:28] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Just search for amsn
[09:28] <crimsun> REWind: we use it for large pastes/floods
[09:28] <Kisain_> gaim seems to suck my cpu power
[09:28] <pixman> Segosa, ave you tried gnome yet?
[09:28] <ringmauer> crimsun, okay but i cant acces it from putty, then something must be wrong
[09:28] <Segosa> yeah of course, it comes default :p
[09:29] <pixman> Segosa, don't like it? ;)
[09:29] <crimsun> ringmauer: netstat -ntl|grep :22
[09:29] <MightyF> yo momma
[09:29] <MightyF> w00t!
[09:29] <Segosa> I like it pixman, I was just curious in trying the others since unlike Windows, you actually get a choice with linux
[09:29] <Kisain_> how to change the colour or make gkrellm clear?
[09:29] <ringmauer> and how to stop it so noone can connect to me
[09:29] <REWind> crimsun, do you have an idea why SUNs Java engine stoped work as well here just before release of Horay?
[09:29] <crimsun> Kisain_: use a "clear" ("transparent") skin/theme
[09:29] <ringmauer> crimsun,
[09:29] <Kisain_> ok how?
[09:29] <Kisain_> i'm a noob
[09:29] <pixman> Segosa, true, true... ;) I recommend you to try fluxbox then
[09:29] <Kisain_> lol
[09:30] <crimsun> REWind: it works fine on my Hoary system (both 1.4.2 and 1.5.0)
[09:30] <jeroen_> Kisain_: DId the amsn install work?
[09:30] <crimsun> Kisain_: download a skin/theme and put it in ~/.gkrellm/themes/
[09:30] <Kisain_> beutifully
[09:30] <ringmauer> crimsun, still doesnt work
[09:30] <Kisain_> ok where can i find a theme?
[09:31] <crimsun> ringmauer: you haven't told me what that command displayed
[09:31] <Kisain_> it look just like msn yay
[09:31] <ringmauer> ringmauer@ubuntu:~$ netstat -ntl|grep :22
[09:31] <ringmauer> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[09:31] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Some tips: Tools -> Docking -> Freedesktop (KDE3/Gnome2)
[09:32] <jeroen_> Kisain_: If you do that, and minimize, amsn will be next to the clock
[09:32] <jeroen_> Kisain_: Just like msn does in windows
[09:32] <Kisain_> nice
[09:32] <Kisain_> thats awsome
[09:32] <Kisain_> i alredy found the tux theme
[09:33] <Kisain_> it's cute
[09:33] <REWind> crimsun, the 1.5 update2 worked as well fine for me, but when it stoped working I installed the 1.4.2 and when I visit a site with java the browser crashes! annoying it is!
[09:33] <jeroen_> Kisain_: It works the same as in windows (right click -> busy etc)
[09:33] <Kisain_> oh nice
[09:33] <crimsun> REWind: you have to use 1.5 update 3
[09:33] <Raskall> AGH... Rhythmbox sucks.. it defuncts and stops me from opening any other software.
[09:33] <iain_> LOL HAI!
[09:33] <Fish-Face> Hi, all! Ubuntuness!
[09:33] <Upayavira> three times now my shift and control keys have stopped working, on hoary. rebooting x sorts it. they work fine in a vmware session. anyone have ideas -
[09:33] <Kisain_> now i gotta get my gkrellm to have a clear theme and i'm set
[09:33] <Xenocide> LOL HAI THERE!
[09:33] <Kisain_> ^_^
[09:33] <Kisain_> this was easyer to set up than windows ^_^
[09:34] <ringmauer> anyone have time, and can tell me how to configure ssh for connection from putt
[09:34] <ringmauer> y
[09:34] <Beano> So who knows anything about rubyonrails?
[09:34] <Fish-Face> Hopefully I shall never need to download another ISO again :)
[09:34] <crimsun> ringmauer: can you ssh in from localhost?
[09:34] <Beano> Have you installed open-ssh?
[09:34] <Kisain_> if your usin ubuntu i don't think you will man ^_^
[09:34] <Fish-Face> Raskall, thanks for your help
[09:34] <Fish-Face> Now then... aMSN
[09:35] <ringmauer> crimsun, yes
[09:35] <jeroen_> Kisain_: for gkrellm skins, check here:
[09:35] <jeroen_> http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm/
[09:35] <Beano> ringmauer: you need to look in the /etc/ssh/sshd.conf or something like that
[09:35] <Nalioth> Raskall, compile rhythmbox yourself
[09:35] <crimsun> ringmauer: from where are you attempting to ssh in?
[09:35] <Kisain_> thanx jeroen
[09:36] <Kisain_> ^_^
[09:36] <ringmauer> my own computer
[09:36] <jeroen_> no problem :D
[09:36] <crimsun> ringmauer: is your own computer on a different subnet?
[09:36] <jeroen_> Fish-Face: what's with amsn?
[09:36] <ringmauer> Beano, nos such file of dir
[09:36] <ringmauer> crimsun, my own
[09:36] <crimsun> ringmauer: so the two computers are on the same subnet?
[09:36] <Upayavira> any ideas about how to recover my shift and control keys in hoary. otherwise, everything i type is lower case and i can't type question marks1
[09:36] <mkerby> I'll be back later.
[09:36] <jeroen_> Fish-Face: what's with amsn?
[09:36] <Beano> ringmauler: do whereis open-ssh server
[09:36] <Fish-Face> jeroen_, what do you mean, exactly?
[09:37] <ringmauer> crimsun, yes
[09:37] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, You said "Now then... aMSN"
[09:37] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, what do you mean?
[09:37] <crimsun> ringmauer: does the connection hang, or does it reject and return immediately?
[09:37] <Fish-Face> jeroen_, aMSN is an IM program
[09:37] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, I know; I use it myself
[09:38] <re|run> I installed gnome launch box. How can I make a keyboard shortcut to open it like quicksilver on OSX?
[09:38] <ringmauer> crimsun, it hangs up
[09:38] <crimsun> ringmauer: hangs, as in waits for several minutes?
[09:38] <Fish-Face> jeroen_, well, that's what I'm doing next, installing it
[09:38] <ringmauer> crimsun, exactly
[09:38] <jeroen_> Upayavira, what kind of keyboard do you have?
[09:38] <Raskall> Nalioth: maybe I will do just that.. But it may be a speed problem. I try to load music from a nfs-dir over wlan. maybe the nfs-share is just too slow.
[09:38] <tanek> is windows under win4lin supposed to run slower than on a 300mhz?
[09:38] <jeroen_> Fish-Face, okay :)
[09:39] <Upayavira> dell notebook. m60
[09:39] <Upayavira> uk keyboard
[09:39] <crimsun> ringmauer: can you ensure that packets are reaching your Ubuntu machine from your computer?
[09:39] <Nalioth> Raskall, you may have a point
[09:39] <Nalioth> Raskall, lack of bandwidh is a most destructive thing
[09:39] <Jurku> ringmauer: your ssh-server only listens for tcp6 connections?
[09:39] <ringmauer> crimsun, yes i think so, but il check it out,
[09:39] <jeroen_> Upayavira, system -> preferences -> keyboard
[09:39] <jeroen_> Upayavira, do all the keyboard setting look correct?
[09:39] <crimsun> Jurku: that's a common misunderstanding. That means it's listening on both ipv6 and ipv4
[09:39] <ringmauer> crimsun, another question, how to stop the ssh server no so noone can connect?
[09:40] <Raskall> Nalioth: Tried a single mp3 on local disk now. worked fine.. but I don't want to keep a local copy of my mp3's so rhythmbox is out of the q.
[09:40] <crimsun> ringmauer: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[09:40] <Jurku> crimsun: I had to uncomment that  Listen 0.0.0.0 to make it work :)
[09:40] <ringmauer> ok, and start to start it crimsun ?
[09:40] <crimsun> ringmauer: sudo /etc/init.d/start stop
[09:40] <Beano> Anyone installed Ruby on Rails on their ubuntu build?
[09:40] <tanek> does VMware lag as much as Win4Lin? :S
[09:41] <jeroen_> tanek, isn't the idea of win4lin to have it "integrated" in kernel sort of?
[09:41] <ringmauer> crimsun, start stop?
[09:41] <cusco> hi.. I was wondering....!
[09:41] <crimsun> ringmauer: s/stop//
[09:41] <jeroen_> tanek, I heard it's supposed to be faster than VMware and the likes
[09:41] <Raskall> tanek: vmware gives great performance. I'd estimate the performance of a 1 GHz system with 256 megs of ram with xp as a guest on my laptop.
[09:41] <crimsun> ringmauer: ssh start or ssh stop
[09:41] <ringmauer> ok tnx
[09:41] <cusco> I installed sendmail.. cool to use with evolution.. now.. I was wondering if other guys on my LAN could use MY sendmail to send some emails...
[09:41] <tanek> really? cause the 300hmz with 32mb ram at my school library run xp faster than i do with winforlin on my 2.2ghz
[09:42] <cusco> like trough a webpage or something like that....
[09:42] <Kisain_> ok i found a theme i like
[09:42] <Kisain_> where do i put it for gkrellm?
[09:42] <Upayavira> jeroen_: thanks. I just changed a setting there, then put it back to how it was, and now I have my shift key back! Much easier than restarting X. Thanks.
[09:42] <Raskall> tanek: I thought win4lin wasn't xp-ready yet?
[09:42] <jeroen_> Upayavira, great! :-)
[09:42] <jeroen_> Kisain_, scroll back
[09:42] <tanek> got win4lin 6, and its running xp
[09:42] <Raskall> tanek: or was that just the cheap version?
[09:42] <Kisain_> ok
[09:42] <jeroen_> Kisain_, someone told you
[09:42] <Raskall> tanek: ok..
[09:42] <Kisain_> oh ok
[09:43] <jeroen_> Kisain_, already
[09:43] <tanek> really dont know :S
[09:43] <Upayavira> jeroen_: yup. Although it shouldn't really happen.
[09:43] <buti> hi, could someone tell me which deb contains libnsl?
[09:43] <ringmauer> crimsun, tnx, ill try it later
[09:43] <ringmauer> bye
[09:43] <tanek> don't wanna talk about how i got it :P
[09:43] <jeroen_> Upayavira, yeah.. sorta strange
[09:43] <WeirdAl> should I load GLcore with the xserver for OpenGL?
[09:43] <buti> ? libnsl.so.1
[09:43] <Upayavira> jeroen_: Anything I should look at next time it happens, to help debug it?
[09:44] <tanek> got VMware too, but when i run vmware-config.pl it complains about not having the file /etc/vmware/locations
[09:44] <Mwnci> couple of questions. how can i bind the menu to the windows key and how do i get linux to go into hibernation?
[09:44] <jason> what's the easiest way to install new ubuntu packages on a machine with no net access?
[09:44] <doid> hmm
[09:44] <jeroen_> buti, if you can't find it, you might try http://packages.debian.org
[09:44] <doid> I use the rtl8180 win drivers with ndiswrapper, but the power of the card never seems to go on.
[09:44] <re|run> disregard my question... found the answer.
[09:44] <Kisain_> i know where to put it but i'm new to the linux file system can you give me a hint?
[09:44] <Mwnci> buti  do a search   apt-cache search libnsl
[09:44] <buti> jeroen_: it must be on the cd.
[09:44] <doid> It find the card, I can iwconfig / ifconfig it
[09:45] <buti> Mwnci: i can't.
[09:45] <doid> and it think it works, but it dosen't find any nets etc..
[09:45] <Kisain_> where to find the folder
[09:45] <doid> Anyone who has a similer problem a rtl8180?
[09:45] <jeroen_> Kisain_, I can help you :P
[09:45] <guttorm> i have no problems :)
[09:45] <mcphail> Mwnci: system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts
[09:45] <jeroen_> Kisain_, if you tell me where it goes ;)
[09:45] <Kisain_> sorry to be a bother man
[09:45] <Mwnci> buti  why noi?
[09:45] <Mwnci> not*
[09:45] <buti> Mwnci: i'm trying to install via nfs.. and i have no ubuntu system running.
[09:45] <Kisain_> gkrellm/themes?
[09:45] <Mwnci> arh
[09:46] <Mwnci> cant you get it to install then find it?
[09:46] <jeroen_> Kisain_, that isn't a valid directory
[09:46] <Upayavira> tanek: if you're using workstation 5, I could send you my /etc/vmware/locations file.
[09:46] <mcphail> doid: try ifdown eth0 first
[09:46] <jeroen_> Kisain_, do you mean ~/.gkrellm/themes ?
[09:46] <Kisain_> yea thats it it was a typo
[09:46] <tanek> Upayavira: that would be great!
[09:46] <Kisain_> i was just about to correct it lol
[09:46] <Mwnci> mcphail, i dont have a prefs under system
[09:46] <tanek> afaik im running 5 :P
[09:46] <jeroen_> Kisain_, well, ~ is your home folder
[09:47] <jeroen_> so it's like /home/kisain
[09:47] <Kisain_> oh that clears up alto
[09:47] <Kisain_> alot
[09:47] <Kisain_> i was wondring about that lol
[09:47] <Nalioth> Raskall, terabit wireless   ;0
[09:47] <jeroen_> Kisain_,the . means that it's some hidden file
[09:47] <buti> oh damn, it's libc6
[09:47] <jeroen_> Kisain_, can you open a terminal?
[09:47] <Raskall> doid: I use the same card. works like a charm. It was a 3-step install: "ndiswrapper -i inffile.inf; modprobe ndiswrapper; network-admin"
[09:47] <Kisain_> you just helped me out so much
[09:48] <Kisain_> yea why?
[09:48] <Raskall> Nalioth: :) that'd be great. :)
[09:48] <doid> It aint for me
[09:48] <Kisain_> i found the folder just drop the whole theme in it?
[09:48] <jeroen_> Kisain_, well go to your home folder (you should be there by default)
[09:48] <mcphail> Mwnci: i do :) try entering gnome-keybinding-properties
[09:48] <buti> ubuntu should really have nfs support in the installation phase.. (even if it were hidden from the installer)
[09:48] <Kisain_> i found it already
[09:48] <jeroen_> Kisain_, yeah, that's also possible
[09:48] <Kisain_> ahhh
[09:48] <Kisain_> sweet
[09:48] <jeroen_> Kisain_, read the README if there's one
[09:48] <FunnyLookinHat> any idea why time.h isn't found when I run scons?
[09:48] <Kisain_> nope theres not i checked
[09:49] <jeroen_> Kisain_, maybe it's a compressed archive
[09:49] <crimsun> FunnyLookinHat: you need build-essential installed
[09:49] <Mwnci> mcphail, I have found it but it will only let me bind win+another key
[09:49] <Mwnci> but its ok
[09:49] <zxc> how do you check your linux partitions size? (I'll write it down this time! ^^")
[09:49] <jeroen_> Kisain_, just try :P and then run gkrellm and see if it works
[09:49] <Kisain_> i clicked on the pkg that it downloaded and it opend it up and it had one folder
[09:49] <Kisain_> i draged it to the desktop
[09:49] <mcphail> Mwnci: press backspace first
[09:49] <jeroen_> Kisain_, okay, just try it ;)
[09:49] <Kisain_> and then to the themes folder
[09:49] <Kisain_> k
[09:49] <Kisain_> here goes
[09:50] <Kisain_> oh yea it worked!!!!
[09:50] <jeroen_> Kisain_, you might need to configure gkrellm, I don't know about that (what is it btw?)
[09:50] <Kisain_> you rock dude ^_^
[09:50] <jeroen_> haha thanks. It isn't that hard
[09:50] <Kisain_> i have it configured except for one thing
[09:50] <FunnyLookinHat> crimsun: you're a genius, thanks dude
[09:50] <jeroen_> I've only been using ubuntu since april ;)
[09:50] <jeroen_> (used Suse before though...)
[09:51] <Kisain_> the mail plugin don't work right?
[09:51] <mcphail> zxc: df -h
[09:51] <jeroen_> which one?
[09:51] <Fish-Face> Damn, GNOME 2.10 is nice
[09:51] <jeroen_> for Evolution?
[09:51] <Kisain_> um i'm not shure how do i tell?
[09:51] <jeroen_> GNOME 2.10 sure is nice, yeah :)
[09:51] <jeroen_> what does the icon look like? :P
[09:52] <jeroen_> or check help-> about or something like that
[09:52] <Kisain_> an envelope with a penguin
[09:52] <jeroen_> check help -> about plz
[09:53] <Fish-Face> Yearg... TK 8.4
[09:53] <jeroen_> I don't know the icon :(
[09:53] <Kisain_> damn
[09:53] <jeroen_> what?
[09:53] <josh42> quick and dirty: how do I add an app to the gnome menu?
[09:54] <Nalioth> josh42, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[09:54] <josh42> perfect; thank you
[09:54] <Kisain_> it's a mail icon that has tux bouncing around in the panel
[09:54] <Kisain_> i think it's called mailcheck
[09:54] <jeroen_> sorry, I don't know the program
[09:55] <Kisain_> and it says 4/4 but thats when i installed it
[09:55] <Kisain_> ok
[09:55] <Kisain_> thanx anyway
[09:55] <jeroen_> What is it's function?
[09:55] <jeroen_> Might be able to help you anyway
[09:55] <Kisain_> to show you howmany messeges you have waiting
[09:55] <hypa7ia> hey, anyone know when Hoary CD's are going to be shipped?
[09:55] <jeroen_> what's the problem with it?
[09:56] <jeroen_> hypa7ia, maybe you should check some of the developer's blogs
[09:56] <Kisain_> brb
[09:56] <Kisain_> phone
[09:56] <jeroen_> okay
[09:56] <hypa7ia> jeroen_: i will do that, thanks :-)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> hypa7ia, to be more usefull, the cds will ship when they ship. You will be contacted
[09:56] <jeroen_> brb
[09:57] <REWind> crimsun, I downloaded the latest Java from SUN and at the same time deleted the installed java on my system. Noticed that update 2 is the latest availiable on Sun's homepage. It still doesn't work...
[09:57] <hypa7ia> Burgundavia: thanks :-)
[09:57] <comforteagle> what mailserver is customary to install on ubuntu/
[09:57] <klaym> I wasn't contacted when I ordered warty cd's
[09:58] <klaym> or you mean hoary live cd's aren't even finished yet?
[09:58] <jeroen_> back
[09:59] <hypa7ia> klaym: i get the feeling they're still working the bugs out in the shipit system.  i ordered 200 cd's this time, and did get an email from mako
[09:59] <WeirdAl> I've managed to get my xserver working again, but Ubuntu is defaulting to console mode when I start up my computer.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> hypa7ia, there is just so many cds they have to press and ship
[10:00] <WeirdAl> How do I get it to stop behaving badly?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> they shipped 1million warty cds
[10:00] <Senkila> 'lo
[10:00] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, doesn't it load gdm?
[10:00] <hypa7ia> Burgundavia: i was just reading that.  so awesome!
[10:00] <WeirdAl> Doesn't load anything. Just starts up in console.
[10:00] <hypa7ia> i gave away 20 plus another 15 i burned myself :-)
[10:00] <Burgundavia> hypa7ia, I suspect they will ship a few more for hoary
[10:00] <WeirdAl> I have to log in there and then startx
[10:00] <hypa7ia> i hope so!
[10:00] <IIIEars> Hello! - Can Ubuntu be installed to an external USB drive?
[10:01] <jeroen_> IIIEars, if that drive is big enough, probably yes
[10:01] <mako> klaym: the cds are finished and we've already shipped loads of them
[10:01] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, it's something with boot-up then; I can't help you. sorry
[10:01] <mako> i expect cds will start arriving very soon, if they haven't already
[10:01] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, at bootup, GDM should automatically start
[10:02] <redduck666> i am using ubuntu live cd and i got some message that something crashed and it asked me if i want to keep it in panel. i answered no. now when i run a program such as firefox or my terminal and minimize it it simplay dieappears (if i don't minimize a program it runs just fine). any help appreciated
[10:02] <IIIEars> Great my mother has her solution.
[10:02] <hypa7ia> mako: awesome!
[10:02] <mako> depends on where you are of course
[10:02] <hypa7ia> mako: canada?
[10:02] <WeirdAl> I know that, but I've been messing with xserver trying to get some 3d acceleration and it's not having it, and now GDM doesn't start either.
[10:02] <Nalioth> anyone know how to get the mac-on-linux modules into the runnin kernel? i've followed the ubuntu howto and it cant find the kernel module
[10:02] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, can you manually start gdm?
[10:02] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, sudo gdm
[10:03] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, would be the command I suppose
[10:03] <WeirdAl> There's no point, because I'll've logged in by then.
[10:03] <jeroen_> There is a point
[10:03] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: you've compiled the modules?
[10:03] <jeroen_> if it works
[10:03] <mako> hypa7ia: should be pretty soon
[10:03] <ompaul> IIIEars, of course she could use a live CD and save data to the usb - more productive I would think
[10:03] <hypa7ia> awesometacular :-)
[10:03] <jeroen_> you just need to get it to load at boottime
[10:03] <WeirdAl> Oh I see.
[10:04] <concept10> how do I modify grub.conf so that WinXP will boot by default
[10:04] <jeroen_> concept10, you don't modify grub.conf
[10:04] <jeroen_> concept10, you open a terminal
[10:04] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, done everything the how to says, get the "no mol modules found" when i start mol
[10:04] <Senkila> don't suppose anyone knows how to install Neverwinter Nights on Ubuntu?
[10:05] <jeroen_> concept10, then type the following:
[10:05] <jeroen_> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:05] <WeirdAl> Got it!
[10:05] <jeroen_> got that?
[10:05] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: that's odd.  can you locate the .o files manually in your kernel tree?
[10:05] <WeirdAl> It was the frame buffer. had to disable it.
[10:05] <jeroen_> WeirdAl, what?
[10:05] <redduck666> concept10: jeroen_ isn't menu.lst a sym link to grub.conf or vice versa i can't remember?
[10:05] <jeroen_> redduck666, not sure
[10:06] <WeirdAl> The reason I couldn't start X using fglrx was because the kernel framebuffer wasn't having any of it.
[10:06] <xxenon> redduck666 - it is, on some distro
[10:06] <concept10> jeroen_: lemme take a look at it
[10:06] <jeroen_> concept10, it says "default bla bla" somewhere
[10:07] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, you have just blinded me with science
[10:07] <moogman> Does anyone know how the artwork for USplash will be decided?
[10:07] <jeroen_> lets say winxp is the 4th entry
[10:07] <jeroen_> then you do default 3
[10:07] <jeroen_> (yep, GRUB is a really weird program ;) it starts with 0)
[10:08] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: well, you need to confirm that the howto actually worked :-)
[10:08] <lexxan> ?? grub
[10:08] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:09] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, sorry i have no idea what part of the forest  the kernel tree is in
[10:09] <mahmoud_> help: How can I write to read-only folder? Or make it not read-only?
[10:09] <jeroen_> le
[10:09] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: let me boot up colinux, i am in that Other OS at the moment.  back in 3 minutes
[10:09] <stianh> hey all. Any suggestion for getting Sound Juicer to create mp3's?
[10:09] <hypa7ia> Nalioth: then i can help you more :-)
[10:09] <josh42> mahmoud_: chmod
[10:10] <ZxC> hmm, anyone know a utility for scandisking a partition. As I wanna increase my ubuntu partition size but partition magic says it's "corrupt" when scanned even though it works fine :/
[10:10] <jeroen_> ZxC, there's an excellent partition-magic for linux: Gparted
[10:10] <Burgundavia> ZxC, you can use gparted or qtparted in Ubuntu do it
[10:11] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, similar thoughts :P
[10:11] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, no don't
[10:11] <Nalioth> hypa7ia, i've got to go to work now
[10:11] <xvlun> i wouldnt call gparted excellent as it sometimes destroys data...
[10:11] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, great minds think alike, but fools seldom differ ;)
[10:11] <g14-afk> stianh: Sound juicer uses gstreamer
[10:11] <jeroen_> haha :)
[10:11] <ZxC> I don't think I even need gparted. All I need is a partition scan disking utility :/
[10:11] <g14-afk> stianh: you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:12] <stianh> thanks
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ZxC, I don;t know if partition magic knows what to do with Linux partitions
[10:12] <tremblay> Anyone here ever got cedega to work with anything under Ubuntu?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> tremblay, there have been succesful reports
[10:12] <jeroen_> Partition Magic has troubles with ext3
[10:12] <jeroen_> it did with version 8 anyway
[10:12] <stianh> hmm, I have gstreamer0.8.8-mad
[10:12] <ZxC> ah k
[10:12] <Burgundavia> tremblay, you may want to try the forums, under the gaming section
[10:12] <ZxC> so gparted the way to go to increase ubuntu space?
[10:12] <gunny> tremblay: I managed to get the cvs cedega installed, but I am unable to get Dark Age of Camelot to run
[10:12] <Burgundavia> ZxC, yes
[10:12] <ZxC> kk thanks :)
[10:13] <mahmoud_> josh42 : no it's not a permission's problem. I am the owner of the folder. But it's a mounted folder from a NTFS partition
[10:13] <jeroen_> ZxC, make back-ups to be sure
[10:13] <gunny> which might be a good thing
[10:13] <jeroen_> mahmoud_, NTFS is read-only by default
[10:13] <i3dmaster> Is there anyway to pull the CPU SN/ID info from Linux?
[10:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone know of a winamp-similiar program for Gnome... I am using XMMS, but I was hoping to find one that had a media library
[10:13] <stianh> g14-afk, I allready have gstreamer0.8-mad, but still no go
[10:14] <tremblay> I can't get Civ3 to work. The only thing left to figure out before I wipe out WinXP forever and ever!
[10:14] <jeroen_> beep-media-player for gnome
[10:14] <gunny> FunnyLookinHat,  check out Beep
[10:14] <jeroen_> it's forked off off xmms
[10:14] <gunny> FunnyLookinHat,  or Muine
[10:14] <jeroen_> it doesn't have media library though :(
[10:14] <Burgundavia> FunnyLookinHat, muine isn't bad, but the user interface is very different
[10:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Awesome, thanks guys
[10:14] <jeroen_> tremblay, Civ3 isn't native, is it?
[10:15] <gunny> I kin of like muine's play album,play song thing
[10:15] <tremblay> jeroen: No, using cedega.
[10:15] <concept10> ubuntu disables root account by default?
[10:15] <jeroen_> tremblay: is it supported by cedega?
[10:15] <gunny> concept10,  yes
[10:15] <tremblay> (A game that is supposedly supported by cedega, hrmpf.)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ?? sudo
[10:15] <[uhelp] > sudo[x] : No defenition found for word.
[10:15] <jeroen_> concept10, you must use sudo
[10:15] <Burgundavia> concept10, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:15] <ZxC> FunnyLookinHat, there's a iTunes like media player but I forget the name
[10:15] <Nalioth> time for money-making
[10:15] <WeirdAl> Still can't get it to start up in GDM :-(
[10:16] <gunny> Amarok
[10:16] <Nalioth> see y'all later
[10:16] <Burgundavia> ZxC, rhythmbox or sonance?
[10:16] <jeroen_> tremblay, you *might* try Freeciv. It's a Free software alternative for Civ
[10:16] <concept10> I know about sudo, but I rather make changes with root account, i dont want to sudo every command
[10:16] <jeroen_> tremblay, I don't know if the quality is good enough
[10:16] <jeroen_> concept10, sudo -s
[10:16] <gunny> concept10,  you can also configure gdm to allow root logins
[10:17] <jeroen_> sudo -s works good enough :-/
[10:17] <tremblay> jeroen: Yeah, looked at FreeCiv2... not quite the same though!
[10:17] <gunny> concept10,  just do sudo passwd root 1st
[10:17] <ZxC> Burgundavia, I can't remember honestly, I just remembered reading about it. I'm running Ubuntu64 so media is a bit dodgy anyway.
[10:17] <jeroen_> tremblay, well, then I can't help you
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ZxC, rhythmbox is the default music player for gnome
[10:17] <jeroen_> tremblay, is Cedega set up correctly?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ZxC, sonance is a mono app that is very similar in UI design
[10:17] <concept10> im new to ubuntu, im a fedora user, trying to get a friend to use linux by installing dual boot XP and ubuntu on his new amd64 box
[10:18] <jeroen_> good luck convincing him/her :)
[10:18] <hypa7ia> concept10: if you're introducing a newbie to linux, sudo is a lot easier to get your head around.
[10:18] <Quinn_Storm> breezy is clean again! (evolution glitches were fixed by a recent update)
[10:18] <hypa7ia> or so i found :-)
[10:19] <mahmoud_> jeroen_ how can I remove read-only files?
[10:19] <tremblay> jeroen: I hope so. Sometimes I run a cedega command and nothing happens... which is better than a bunch of debugging garbble. :P
[10:19] <jeroen_> concept10: Use a LiveCD to show off ;)
[10:19] <Quinn_Storm> mahmoud_: sudo rm -f file
[10:19] <becausjp> lo
[10:19] <becausjp> any1 online
[10:19] <concept10> I think ubuntu is a little bit friendlier for new users than fedora even though you could use synaptic in fedora also
[10:20] <becausjp> Anyone using fluxbox with ubuntu?
[10:20] <jeroen_> tremblay, does it work with other win programs?
[10:20] <aeolist> aye
[10:20] <ZxC> concept10, there's a few things Ubuntu64 has problems with. I reccomend you check the AMD 64 section of the forums so you don't waste his time trying to install things you can't. I'm running dual boot (linux n00b) on my AMD and loving it ;)
[10:20] <hypa7ia> concept10: as far as the dual boot setup goes, i find it's easiest to install windows first on a small partition, then install ubu
[10:20] <aeolist> becausjp, what's your problem?
[10:20] <SpritlE> have a quick question
[10:20] <becausjp> and is it faster then gnome, cause it slow gnome
[10:20] <mahmoud_> HELP: Can I DISABLE READ-ONLY for a folder
[10:20] <SpritlE> is dialup hard to set up on ubu?
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mahmoud_, not easily
[10:21] <jeroen_> mahmoud_, you can, but NTFS is a special case
[10:21] <aeolist> becausjp, it's a lot faster, yes
[10:21] <DanglyBits> does anyone have an idea on how to install Mambo (content management system) on ubuntu?
[10:21] <hypa7ia> SpritlE: should be dead easy if the modem is supported
[10:21] <hypa7ia> DanglyBits: should be a package for it
[10:21] <Burgundavia> mahmoud_, ntfs read support is very alpha and not recommended
[10:21] <concept10> hypa7ia: thats done already, I just need to install ubuntu repos and get some good apps on his box, k3b and a dvd backup program
[10:21] <tremblay> jeroen: Haven't tried that..
[10:21] <becausjp> anyone has latest version for fluxbox or the public ftp
[10:21] <DanglyBits> hypa7ia: any idea where ?
[10:21] <becausjp> then I can add it to sources.list
[10:21] <jeroen_> tremblay, just download some easy app, and try
[10:22] <becausjp> and maybe it work with sudo apt-get?
[10:22] <becausjp> *will
[10:22] <jeroen_> tremblay, then you can at least determine if Cedega is correctly installed
[10:22] <kingsley_> How often should desktop systems fetch mail?
[10:22] <SpritlE> hypa7ia: thanks, my one friend was telling me dialup was hard to set up.( im just switching over from xp pro.)
[10:22] <Kisain> congrats
[10:23] <Kisain> another convert ^_^
[10:23] <jeroen_> kingsley_, when the Receive mail is clicked in their user's favorit app ;)
[10:23] <hypa7ia> SpritlE: most modems aren't is the problem
[10:23] <SpritlE> lol
[10:23] <jeroen_> hi Kisain
[10:23] <SpritlE> i see
[10:23] <Kisain> hey what a good app to get online music streams?
[10:23] <jeroen_> did you solve your prob?
[10:23] <Kisain> hey whazzup?
[10:23] <hypa7ia> DanglyBits: universe?
[10:23] <jeroen_> I use beep-media-player
[10:23] <jdodson> kisain: rythmbox has some decent presets.
[10:23] <SpritlE> how much would a supported modem cost?
[10:23] <jeroen_> I'm using it now
[10:23] <Kisain> kinda sorta i'm looking in to it
[10:23] <aeolist> becausjp, you'll just follow ubuntuguide.org for extending the repositories
[10:23] <aeolist> and then apt-get install it
[10:24] <Kisain> can you get it through syn?
[10:24] <jeroen_> yes
[10:24] <Kisain> nice
[10:24] <tremblay> jeroen: Will try to find notepad, or whatever.
[10:24] <punkrockguy318> Alright, question:  I'd like to listen to my oggs on my PC through ssh.  How can I listen to my oggs through a client-side ssh?
[10:24] <jeroen_> tremblay: okay ;)
[10:24] <WeirdAl> WOOT!! 3D!!
[10:24] <hypno> SpritlE: any 'real' modem should work. The problem is with software modems (winmodems).
[10:24] <WeirdAl> thanks to everyone who helped.
[10:24] <jeroen_> Congrats WeirdAl :)
[10:24] <jdodson> punkrockguy318: copy them to the host?
[10:25] <becausjp> thx will have a look into the url
[10:25] <WeirdAl> I still don't have GDM when I start up, but I'm sure I can fix that.
[10:25] <SpritlE> ok, thanks
[10:25] <punkrockguy318> jdodson, yeah, but besides that... I'm pretty sure there's some way you can do it.. maybe through esd?
[10:25] <SpritlE> later
[10:25] <jeroen_> Kisain, you need to have universe enabled for beep-media-player though
[10:25] <jdodson> punkrockguy318: not sure.  console music playing is as easy as "ogg123"
[10:25] <Segosa> can you ask general linux questions here ;/
[10:25] <jeroen_> Why not?
[10:26] <jeroen_> Segosa, I think  I know you :P
[10:26] <jeroen_> are you m00.cx ?
[10:26] <Kisain> lol that explans why i can't find it lol
[10:26] <Segosa> yes
[10:26] <Segosa> O_o
[10:26] <jeroen_> Hello!
[10:26] <Segosa> who are you :o
[10:26] <jeroen_> Kisain, enable universe
[10:26] <Kisain> um how?
[10:26] <jeroen_> in synaptic: setting -> repositories
[10:27] <Kisain> ok there
[10:27] <Raskall> I have just done my "boot to xp in vmware to get reminded of how much windows stinks"-action.
[10:27] <jeroen_> Segosa, I know you from msgplus.mybboards.com
[10:27] <Segosa> PlusFan?
[10:27] <Segosa> or not..
[10:27] <jeroen_> yes
[10:27] <Segosa> aha.
[10:27] <Kisain> now what
[10:27] <jeroen_> m00
[10:27] <jeroen_> Kisain
[10:27] <Segosa> the internet is small :O
[10:27] <hypa7ia> small world, the internet is :-)
[10:27] <b0ol> hi, how to disalbe vsync @ ati ?
[10:27] <hypa7ia> Segosa: jinks!
[10:27] <jeroen_> Segosa, haha
[10:28] <Segosa> :
[10:28] <Segosa> :P
[10:28] <zero[] > how i can change gnome to using gnome-fvwm instead of metacity? ( installed the package from synaptic)
[10:28] <jeroen_> Kisain, click Add
[10:28] <Anubis> gdesklets causes python to steal memory after 14days uptime
[10:28] <tremblay> jeroen: Heh, notepad doesn't work. Guess I better do my homework again. :P
[10:28] <Kisain> ok got it
[10:28] <Anubis> eats the swapp right up
[10:29] <Segosa> wtf,
[10:29] <Segosa> I knew that guy.
[10:29] <Segosa> "Moo".
[10:29] <b0ol> hi, how to disalbe vsync @ ati ?
[10:29] <jeroen_> tremblay, Cedega is paid right? So you will get support... right?
[10:29] <jeroen_> Segosa, Anubis is also msgplus.mybboard.com, right?
[10:29] <ompaul> ?? restricted
[10:29] <Segosa> nah
[10:29] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:29] <Segosa> not the same guy i don't think
[10:30] <jeroen_> Kisain, it works now?
[10:30] <hypa7ia> b0ol: edit the xorg.conf in all likelyhood
[10:30] <Segosa> anyway my question was, after installing ubuntu as server, where would I look if I wanted to install an X windows system. I know I can have it auto done if installing normally but I want to gain experience doing it manually
[10:30] <digitus> how do i enable ssh access on my machine
[10:30] <digitus> from outside
[10:30] <Segosa>  I tried apt-get install x11 and XOrg and I googled but there's not much
[10:30] <Segosa> digitus: sudo apt-get install ssh
[10:30] <hypa7ia> Segosa: it's xserver-xorg
[10:31] <digitus> k thx ill try
[10:31] <Segosa> ahh
[10:31] <hypa7ia> Segosa: or ubuntu-desktop :-)
[10:31] <Segosa> I see
[10:31] <hypa7ia> Segosa: which is basically gnome and xorg
[10:31] <Segosa> heh
[10:31] <jeroen_> not ubuntu-desktop
[10:31] <jeroen_> ubuntu-desktop includes gaim, evolution
[10:31] <jeroen_> and more like that
[10:31] <Segosa> basically turns a server install into the normal one? :P
[10:32] <jeroen_> yeah
[10:32] <hypa7ia> Segosa: correct
[10:32] <tremblay> Newbie question: What command (if any) can list the version number of a library or whatever, installed?
[10:32] <jeroen_> ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package
[10:32] <hypa7ia> tremblay: package -version
[10:32] <Segosa> or --version
[10:32] <jeroen_> with depedencies of Xorg, evolution, gaim, gnome, etc etc
[10:32] <Kisain> ok it still isen't showing up :/
[10:32] <Segosa> dunno if it's the same
[10:32] <hypa7ia> tremblay: so like evolution -v or --version i think
[10:32] <hypno> tremblay: or dpkg -s package-name
[10:32] <jeroen_> Kisain, what?
[10:32] <dcraven> digitus: It might be openssh-server that you want.
[10:33] <Kisain> for that radio player
[10:33] <Kisain> you said was nice
[10:33] <jeroen_> yeah..
[10:33] <jeroen_> I think it is.....
[10:33] <Kisain> i did what you said and searched for it and nothin
[10:33] <tremblay> Thanks.
[10:33] <jeroen_> you have universe enabled now?
[10:33] <Kisain> yes
[10:33] <jeroen_> search for "beep"
[10:33] <Kisain> and i refreshed
[10:33] <hypa7ia> dcraven, digitus it's definitely openssh-server
[10:33] <Kisain> oh
[10:33] <Segosa> dcraven: I apt-get'd ssh and it included the server
[10:33] <jeroen_> it should list beep-media-player
[10:34] <Kisain> ok i got beep and stuf in the search :)
[10:34] <dcraven> Segosa: oh cool. Must be a metapackage I guess.
[10:34] <jeroen_> Segosa, why would you want to switch server into desktop? <_<
[10:35] <jbm__> hey i just reinstalled ubuntu this morning, everything went great... do we have a free "ghost" like tool so i can save an image now for next time i need it?
[10:35] <Segosa> jeroen_: experience..
[10:35] <Segosa> it may be easy, but I wanna know how
[10:35] <Segosa> ;p
[10:35] <davmor2> can anyone help please I am running ubuntu 5.04 hoary amd64bit I like doom3 but I can't get the sound to work.  I have looked at the guide but I think the sound patch theat works for the 32bit doesn't for the 64. how can I configure so I can play the game please
[10:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here use the mac mini?
[10:35] <jeroen_> Segosa, for that, Gentoo > *
[10:35] <Segosa> I know jeroen_
[10:35] <jeroen_> Segosa, Ubuntu is too easy ;)
[10:35] <Segosa> already done that
[10:35] <Segosa> I've installed gentoo several times
[10:35] <Segosa> =P
[10:36] <jeroen_> you mean stage1?
[10:36] <Segosa> nah stage3, not ready for stage1 yet >.<
[10:36] <jeroen_> haha
[10:36] <jeroen_> (I did stage3 aswell)
[10:36] <jeroen_> and I didn't compile X (that takes a day, you know)
[10:37] <Segosa> heh
[10:37] <joh> Hello, suddenly after replacing xfree86 with xorg, my monitor goes to sleep when I start X! The xorg and (old) xfree86 monitor settings are also both the same! What could be wrong?
[10:38] <tanek> joh: do u have the correct refreshrate?
[10:39] <joh> tanek: I sure think so, yes...
[10:39] <tanek> ok...
[10:39] <nickrud> joh, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give you any hints?
[10:39] <jeroen_> joh: Is your xorg.conf sora the same?
[10:39] <Quinn_Storm> try commenting out the option "dpms"
[10:39] <jeroen_> *sorta
[10:40] <joh> tanek: I've got currently set VertRefresh to 48-128 and HorizSync to 30-85... this is a CRT
[10:40] <joh> jeroen_: yes...
[10:40] <jeroen_> joh: do you have a monitor manual?
[10:40] <tanek> ok, seems fine
[10:40] <joh> jeroen_: no
[10:40] <joh> Quinn_Storm: ok. let me try that.
[10:40] <jeroen_> joh: too bad; they list those thing (should)
[10:41] <joh> DPMS didn't do it.
[10:41] <topyli> those manuals are easy to find mostly, on the manufacturer's website
[10:41] <joh> jeroen_: yeah, but this is an old monitor.
[10:41] <joh> topyli: k...
[10:41] <jeroen_> try to find the manual as topyli suggested
[10:41] <jeroen_> do you know the model?
[10:41] <joh> jeroen_: ok
[10:42] <jeroen_> too bad some developers take these manuals offline after a few years :@
[10:42] <jeroen_> *manufacturers
[10:43] <nickrud> joh, look at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, if you're lucky it'll tell you what's happening
[10:43] <jeroen_> any Gnome expert here? (I think specifically gnome-panel)
[10:43] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, what is the issue?
[10:43] <jeroen_> see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30822
[10:43] <topyli> jeroen_: some manufacturers seem to be low on web space. some have plenty. I found a manual for my ancient hp laserjet the other day
[10:43] <zero[] > i installed fvwm-gnome from synaptic.. how do i use it instead of metacity now?
[10:43] <MASoft> Isn't Ubuntu suitable for persons who havn't highspeed internet ?
[10:43] <Sticky> Ubuntu is a good learning experience, because all the bullshit it gives ya
[10:44] <arbeck> does anyone here use grip?
[10:44] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, that would probably be a bug
[10:44] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, on occasion
[10:44] <jeroen_> zero[] , do you use gdm to log in?
[10:44] <nickrud> MASoft, from experience I can say yes :)
[10:44] <zero[] > MASoft: it'll be a bitch to install software with all of it's dependancies
[10:44] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, that's what I thought...
[10:44] <joh> ok, here's a message: (WW) NVIDIA: Failure reading EDID parameters for display device DFP-0 ...
[10:44] <ompaul> MASoft, that would depend on what the end user wants
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, i would file it and see what the gnome devs say
[10:45] <zero[] > jeroen_: i believe so
[10:45] <MASoft> ompaul, a Desktop user
[10:45] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, at gnome.org?
[10:45] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: I'm having problems configuring it to get th cd info from feedb.  One particular CD it just won't get the info for.  Sound juicer and all my other aps find it just fine
[10:45] <Burgundavia> Sticky, can you explain why you just said that?
[10:45] <Burgundavia> jeroen_, bugzilla.gnome.org
[10:45] <ompaul> MASoft, as a desktop it offers enough functionality for joe user
[10:45] <jeroen_> Burgundavia, okay, I'll file it
[10:46] <DanglyBits> hypa7ia: sorry im not near my computer is mambo avialable for hoary or breezy?
[10:46] <MASoft> are Debian packages compatible with Ubuntu packages ?
[10:46] <zero[] > jeroen_: yeah i do
[10:46] <Bazzi-> MASoft to a certain extent yes.
[10:46] <Burgundavia> MASoft, most of Ubuntu is debian packages, so yes
[10:46] <Burgundavia> MASoft, you need debian packages for Debian sid (unstable)
[10:46] <Segosa> I apt got xserver-xorg and it asked for the res .. then that's it. is it done? can I now install something like gnome/xfce/fluxbox? o_O
[10:47] <Burgundavia> MASoft, but mostly the stuff should already be in the repos
[10:47] <jeroen_> zero[] , can't you just use session -> whateveryouwant
[10:47] <ompaul> MASoft, use sid if what you want is not in available, but it is extensive
[10:47] <hypa7ia> DanglyBits: don't know, but it should be.  i'm on windows at the moment so i can't look :-/
[10:47] <hypa7ia> Segosa: yes
[10:47] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: any ideas?
[10:47] <Segosa> hypa7ia: wow that was easy. ;P
[10:47] <Kisain> how do you kill a prog that isen't responding?
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, use soundjuicer? heh
[10:48] <DanglyBits> hypa7ia: thanks
[10:48] <zero[] > jeroen_: how come there are no sessions? i just do Add > fvwm-gnome ?
[10:48] <ompaul> Kisain, what program is it?
[10:48] <jeroen_> Kisain: Applications -> system tools -> system monitor
[10:48] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: i would, but i can't configure it to use my naming convention
[10:48] <Kisain> amn lol frose when i used beep :/
[10:48] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, you can't?
[10:48] <Kisain> amsn
[10:48] <jeroen_> zero[] , at login, can't you just select fvwm-gnome? (When you click sessions)
[10:49] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: no... my convention is /Artist/Album/Artist - Album - track number - Song Title.flac
[10:49] <Segosa> is it normal that startx gets me "command not found", hypa7ia?
[10:49] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: that isn't a choice in sound juicer
[10:49] <ompaul> 'killall amsn' is one way, the way jeroen_  said is another where you locate the article and kill it  and xkill and click on the ap is yet another
[10:49] <hypa7ia> Segosa: yes
[10:49] <Segosa> okay
[10:49] <hypa7ia> Segosa: need to sudo it :-)
[10:49] <zero[] > jereon_: uhh.. let me log out and check it out ;)
[10:49] <Segosa> ah
[10:49] <Segosa> I did, hypa7ia ;p
[10:49] <jeroen_> please note that amsn uses wish
[10:50] <jeroen_> you will want to kill wish
[10:50] <Kisain> ok
[10:50] <jeroen_> zero[] , okay :)
[10:50] <Kisain> um it's not in the sysatem monitor :/
[10:50] <Kisain> weard
[10:50] <jeroen_> it's under sh
[10:50] <jeroen_> expand sh and you'll see wish
[10:51] <Kisain> um wish is there but not amsn
[10:51] <Kisain> weard
[10:51] <jeroen_> kill wish
[10:51] <hypa7ia> Segosa: and iirc it will start up automagically when you reboot
[10:51] <Segosa> ah, hypa7ia
[10:51] <jeroen_> amsn runs on wish
[10:51] <Kisain> so it would be unser it?
[10:51] <Kisain> under*
[10:51] <jeroen_> amsn is just a bunch of text files, the wish program can do something with these
[10:51] <jeroen_> if amsn crashes, kill wish
[10:51] <Kisain> oh i see
[10:52] <arbeck> punkrockguy318: there aren't very many options in sound juicer
[10:52] <Kisain> i thought you said not to?
[10:52] <jeroen_> I didn't...
[10:52] <jeroen_> maybe I wasn't clear
[10:52] <Kisain> oh
[10:52] <punkrockguy318> arbeck, true.. it needs some maturing
[10:52] <Kisain> ok
[10:52] <Kisain> lol
[10:52] <MASoft> I REALLY LOVE FEDORA !!!
[10:52] <ompaul> MASoft, well I do not :-)
[10:52] <jeroen_> Segosa, How do you like Xorg's default look? ;)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318, more options are generally bad
[10:53] <Segosa> I am not seeing much jeroen_... ;/
[10:53] <Burgundavia> MASoft, this is #ubuntu. You might be looking for #fedora
[10:53] <MASoft> Its bugs make the Debian highlight :D
[10:53] <Kisain> LOL XD
[10:53] <arbeck> Burgundavia: well, sound juicer should give me the option to name my rips whatever i want, shouldn't it?
[10:53] <Segosa> jeroen_: gimme your msn msgr addr
[10:53] <Segosa> (if you want)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> arbeck, you can
[10:54] <Burgundavia> arbeck, edit--> prefs
[10:54] <arbeck> Burgundavia: nope... i only have 5 choices
[10:54] <shoreflyer> hiya all
[10:54] <Burgundavia> arbeck, then file a bug asking for your choice
[10:55] <Burgundavia> arbeck, the drop down menu is good. Easytags renaming if awful
[10:55] <shoreflyer> anyone have any ideas as how to get the fglrx drivers to work properly?
[10:55] <arbeck> Burgundavia: true... but I'd like it to be a tad more configureable... somewhere in between grip and where it is...
[10:55] <jeroen_> Segosa, sure
[10:55] <Segosa> mk
[10:55] <Burgundavia> arbeck, then file a bug or ask on the mailing list
[10:56] <arbeck> Burgundavia: the problem is right now I can't seem to make grip get info on a cd
[10:56] <ryman> can someone please help me with floppy drive ?
[10:56] <ompaul> ryman, what do you want to do with a floppy drive?
[10:56] <ryman> it says "unable to mount"
[10:56] <jeroen_> Segosa, jeroen_91@zonnet.nl
[10:56] <freedrive> Hey, have you guys heard of: http://www.freecardatabase.info/dir187/jarvis.html ?
[10:56] <jeroen_> freedrive, no
[10:56] <ryman> it says "couldn't determine filesystem file"
[10:57] <freedrive> Hey, have you guys heard of: http://www.freecardatabase.info/dir187/jarvis.html ?
[10:57] <ompaul> ryman, asking you again, what do you want to do with a floppy drive? that was an error message
[10:57] <jeroen_> freedrive, yes we have; you told us 2 seconds ago
[10:57] <ringmauer> where to put xmms skins+
[10:57] <ryman> ompaul+  I want to transfer some files to floppy disk
[10:57] <ringmauer> where to put xmms skins?
[10:57] <jeroen_> don't click what freedrive says
[10:57] <ryman> so I can bring them to school
[10:57] <jeroen_> it's ads
[10:57] <ompaul> ryman, okay so what kind of machine do you want to read this floppy on?
[10:57] <drac> ringmauer: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[10:58] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:58] <ryman> pent4 ?
[10:58] <ringmauer> drac, yes i know, but where is ~i cant find it
[10:58] <confrey> is there a way to run phpgroupware in ubuntu?
[10:58] <drac> ringmauer: ~ is your home directory.
[10:58] <ringmauer> but xmms isnt there
[10:58] <jeroen_> busy
[10:58] <drac> .xmms
[10:59] <ompaul> ryman, emm no, what operating system?
[10:59] <ryman> win98
[10:59] <shoreflyer> confrey: yes, you have to install apache/php/mysql
[10:59] <noah> are there particular things that are likely to break if i upgrade to breezy?
[10:59] <ompaul> ryman, first command to run is mdir in ubuntu
[10:59] <Burgundavia> noah, yes
[10:59] <Burgundavia> noah, I think evo is still broken and hal may be as well
[10:59] <confrey> shoreflyer, oh, I have already installed all them
[11:00] <dcraven> ryman: Is it a Windows formatted disk? If it is, try typing "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy". That might work assuming that the /media/floppy mount point exists.
[11:00] <noah> Burgundavia: i see, thanks
[11:00] <ringmauer> anyone else? where to put xmms skins?
[11:00] <ompaul> ryman, do you see any data on the floppy?
[11:00] <shoreflyer> then follow the instructions for installing groupware on the server
[11:00] <confrey> shoreflyer, but at localhost/phpgroupware/setup isn't anything
[11:00] <ryman> ompaul+  I typed some words document on my laptop ( winxp) . My laptop doesn't have floppy drive. I copied those files into jump drive. Now I want to transfer those file from jump drive to floppy disk so I can use it at my school ( win 98)
[11:00] <topyli> ringmauer: ~/.xmms/skins i guess
[11:00] <shoreflyer> be sure you have the apache running
[11:00] <punkrockguy318> How can I run X programs through ssh on a windows machine?
[11:01] <ringmauer> topyli, yea but where is ~ it is not my home folder
[11:01] <digitus> perhaps with cygwin
[11:01] <ompaul> ryman, I do not know 'jump drive'
[11:01] <shoreflyer> and make sure the apache is configured to parse .php .inc files with php
[11:01] <MASoft> punkrockguy318, I think VNC server !
[11:01] <hypno> punkrockguy318: install a windows X server.. or just use vnc
[11:01] <topyli> punkrockguy318: you need an X server for that. use vnc like MASoft says
[11:01] <ryman> dcraven+  thanks it worked
[11:01] <topyli> ringmauer: no .xmms directory in your home dir?
[11:01] <dcraven> ryman: Cool.
[11:01] <ryman> ompaul+  thanks,  its flash drive
[11:02] <ringmauer> topyli, no there isnt
[11:02] <confrey> yes, is working, and in http://localhost I can see apache2-default and phpmyadmin
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> hypno, what's a windows X server?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318, you need putty
[11:02] <confrey> shoreflyer, yes, is working, and in http://localhost I can see apache2-default and phpmyadmin
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> Burgundavia, mhmm
[11:02] <Burgundavia> punkrockguy318, and then you can get tightvnc for windows and tunnel the vnc through the ssh
[11:02] <ompaul> ryman, does the flash drive appear on your desktop?
[11:02] <topyli> ringmauer: i thought xmms would create one first time you run it
[11:02] <hypno> punkrockguy318: X apps are clients that connect to X servers
[11:02] <joh> jeroen_: still there?
[11:02] <joh> jeroen_: I can't get this working! :(
[11:02] <ryman> ompaul+  yes
[11:02] <topyli> ringmauer: note that it's .xmms so it'd hidden
[11:02] <shoreflyer> phpmyadmin is good
[11:02] <WeirdAl> remind me again which package has startx?
[11:02] <shoreflyer> then php is definetly configured
[11:03] <ryman> ompaul+  I used the command that dcraven gave me and the floppy drive is working now
[11:03] <ringmauer> yea i know topyli but it isnt there, ill try mkdir
[11:03] <ryman> ompaul+  thanks
[11:03] <ryman> dcraven+  thanks
[11:03] <MASoft> How can I crack Shadow passwords ?
[11:03] <ompaul> ryman, enjoy
[11:03] <dcraven> ryman: "sudo umount /media/floppy" will unmount it btw. Just so you know, there is a GNOME applet that can make the whole process nice and easy too.
[11:03] <shoreflyer> all i can tell you is to follow the instructions to install
[11:03] <topyli> ringmauer: yeah, and under .xmms you should make skins or Skins or themes or Themes or something :)
[11:03] <shoreflyer> see if the directory index also has index.php
[11:03] <shoreflyer> in the apache conf
[11:04] <dcraven> MASoft: You could try john.
[11:04] <Nafallo> MASoft, probably with john :-)
[11:04] <WeirdAl> anyone? Startx package?
[11:04] <ompaul> ryman `mcopy paht_to_mail/file_one a:` will work, if you know the path to the file
[11:04] <ringmauer> what to write to rename a folder?
[11:04] <shoreflyer> anyone here know the fglrx drivers and how to make them work with a ati mobility 9600?
[11:04] <ompaul> ryman `mcopy path_to_mail/file_one a:` will work, if you know the path to the file (sorry about typo)
[11:05] <confrey> shoreflyer, I can't do it alone, can you guide me?
[11:05] <nickrud> WeirdAl, try `which startx`, that will tell you if you have it
[11:06] <WeirdAl> i do have it.
[11:06] <topyli> ringmauer: mv
[11:06] <shoreflyer> i haven't installed this in over a year
[11:06] <WeirdAl> I want to know where I got it so I can tell someone else how to get it.
[11:06] <shoreflyer> so i guess they have changed a lot
[11:06] <ryman> ompaul+  I'm new to linux =( thanks for helping me
[11:06] <shoreflyer> but it should be really straight forward
[11:06] <ringmauer> ok tnx topyli , i had to create the dir but now it works
[11:07] <punkrockguy318> what's a better solution? cygwinx server or vnc?
[11:07] <shoreflyer> anyhow i have to get going
[11:07] <shoreflyer> cheers, hope you manage
[11:07] <nickrud> WeirdAl, you can search for packages that files come from at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <confrey> shoreflyer, apache.conf is very obscure for me... I tried to add to it a .conf found in phpgroupware docs, but it doesn't work
[11:07] <WeirdAl> thanks nickrud
[11:07] <WeirdAl> got it
[11:08] <ryman> hmm I have another problem that I can't copy the files to floppy disk
[11:08] <hunger> What are the plans wrt. gcc 4 in breezy?
[11:08] <hunger> gcc is already in version 4, g++ is not.
[11:08] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:08] <dcraven> WeirdAl: I think it's in xbase-clients.
[11:08] <ryman> it says that I dont have permission to write
[11:08] <Burgundavia> hunger, most apps are going to be compiled with gcc 4
[11:09] <WeirdAl> dcraven, yep
[11:09] <WeirdAl> foundit
[11:09] <WeirdAl> :-)
[11:09] <hunger> Burgundavia: When will the compiler get into breezy?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> hunger, think it is already there
[11:10] <hunger> Burgundavia: I am still missing the g++ compiler...
[11:10] <hunger> Burgundavia: And that is the one that seems to be the most interessting one from what I read.
[11:12] <dcraven> hunger: install build-essential, it comes with that.
[11:12] <p0m> Wouldn't you install the headers metapackage too?
[11:12] <Nafallo> hunger, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolchainRoadmap?highlight=%28BreezyGoal%29
[11:13] <hunger> dcraven: I do have g++ installed, but it still is version 3.4.x, not 4.0pre as the rest of gcc.
[11:13] <dcraven> hunger: Ahh. I see.
[11:14] <Alien_II> hey a friend has installed openssh-server
[11:14] <Alien_II> but when i try to connect to him
[11:14] <Alien_II> it says Unable to authenticate using any of the configured authentication methods
[11:15] <dcraven> Alien_II: you have an account on your friend's machine?
[11:15] <dockane> why is my system up-to-date with ff 1.0.2 ?
[11:15] <Alien_II> dcraven: yes
[11:16] <Alien_II> dcraven: it says that on my ssh client even before sending authentication data
[11:16] <Burgundavia> dockane, the security fixes were backported to 1.0.2
[11:17] <Alien_II> dcraven: do u know the command offhand to restart the sshd service in (k)ubuntu ??
[11:17] <setuid_w00t> I suggested that a friend of mine try ubuntu.  I have always used Debian, but I figured Ubuntu would be an easier way for him to get started.  My question is: Does ubuntu have its own ftp/http repository or do people typically use debian repositories?
[11:17] <topyli> Alien_II: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[11:17] <Burgundavia> setuid_w00t, ubuntu has its own repos, mostly built out of debian sources
[11:17] <hypno> setuid_w00t: it has its own repository. Wouldnt be any different from debian otherwise..
[11:18] <dcraven> Alien_II: like topyli says.
[11:18] <dockane> Burgundavia, i've heared of perfomance issues with tabbed browsing in ff and indeed, i experience slow refresh here while tab switching. (hoary, p3 800, 512 mb rambus)
[11:18] <dcraven> dockane: 1.0.3 is available in the backports project if you really want it.
[11:18] <eric> hell0...
[11:18] <dcraven> dockane: not that it's supported or anything.. heh
[11:19] <dockane> dcraven, do you know if this perfomance issue is solved ?
[11:19] <dcraven> dockane: I have no idea. I just installed it today and haven't used it much yet. It's been quite bad lately though (1.0.2).
[11:19] <dcraven> Food time..
[11:20] <outlier> Can you tap into debian repositories?  I'd like to grab some packages I'm not seeing in ubuntu (kids' stuff: junior-* in particular)
[11:20] <Burgundavia> outlier, things that install on debian sid should install on hoary
[11:20] <Nafallo> outlier, they are in universe
[11:21] <Jon^D> hi, I want to look at a hard disk's contents but hexdump is too slow (i.e., hd /dev/hda|less seems to never end). Can anyone suggest a quicker way to have a browse?
[11:21] <outlier> Ah.  I probably just don't know how to look for them then.  I'm still trying to get the networking working (wireless), so all I've got is the original repository that came on the install disk.
[11:22] <Nafallo> outlier, ahh, you'll need to add universe for them. you will probably never have to touch debian :-).
[11:23] <outlier> Nafallo: Good, I like debian, but life's complicated enough as is.  If I can get my hands on a supported wireless card, I should be in business then.
[11:24] <Nafallo> outlier, I got unsupported ralink rt2500. just had to borrow my girlfriend tp while installing and then compiled the wireless drivers from cvs :-).
[11:25] <davmor2> does anyone know how I can reconfigure alsa to be the default sound provider for ubuntu rather than esd (newbie)
[11:25] <shido6> grr
[11:26] <shido6> my USB sound works for system bells and gaim but xine and vlc and totem dont play sound
[11:26] <jeroen_> joh: you still there?
[11:26] <Quinn_Storm> shido6: thats b/c they aren't outputting to esd
[11:26] <AndyR> can anyone help with a ov511 webcan?
[11:27] <AndyR> sm/n
[11:27] <shido6> Quinn_Storm, esd?
[11:27] <outlier> Nafallo: sounds like the same one I have - linksys wmp54g v4.
[11:27] <Quinn_Storm> shido6: yeah, its a "sound daemon" that runs as default as part of gnome
[11:27] <Jon^D> is there a hex editor on the ubuntu/hoary livecd?
[11:27] <Thorrn4> Hello...I have a quick questions; if I install KDE from the apt-get, which version is it?
[11:27] <joh> jeroen_: yeah, I fixed it. for *some* reason, x.org was reading ~/xorg.conf instead of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:28] <davmor2> Quinn_storm is there anyway to change the default to alsa?
[11:28] <joh> jeroen_: ~/xorg.conf was an old configuration for a completely other system :P
[11:28] <joh> jeroen_: thanks for your help anyways.
[11:29] <_chavo> joh, xorg looks in the current directory for the config file first.
[11:29] <outlier> Nafallo: Rather than mess with it, I'm going to return the card (which I'm allowed to do for a few days yet) and tell them it wasn't compatible with my OS.  They have several others in stock, so I should be able to swap it for a supported one.
[11:29] <_chavo> joh, why? I have no idea.
[11:30] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! Just out of curiousity I have installed ION3, and running it from the safe-terminal mode. Would it cause problem or miss anything? Thanks
[11:30] <joh> _chavo: ok :P
[11:30] <Nafallo> outlier, oki. I stick to mine. the drivers are GPL'd and a rewrite of the driver is in beta-stage :-).
[11:30] <Nafallo> outlier, should support a/b/g :-)
[11:31] <davmor2> anyone can you change esd to alsa as default please?
[11:32] <nickrud> davmor2, you can change gnome to use alsa by system->preferences->Multimedia-systems-selector
[11:33] <Thorrn4> can someone please answer the question that I posted before?
[11:33] <davmor2> nickrud when I do that I lose sound on most apps
[11:34] <_chavo> Thorrn4, 3.4
[11:34] <nickrud> davmor2, then you'll need to switch the apps themselves from esd to alsa in their preferneces
[11:34] <Thorrn4> thanx _chavo
[11:34] <davmor2> thanx
[11:35] <waseem> hey does nayone here know any good .ogg to .mp3 file converters?
[11:35] <karljp> I'm having a reallly hard time trying to get the default gnome-panel back, anyone have any suggestions?
[11:35] <karljp> I've logged out of x, removed my .metacity, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome_private, and restarted
[11:36] <Fish-Face> There are suspiciously few packages that are marked upgradeable...
[11:37] <nickrud> karljp, you missed .gconf
[11:37] <dcraven> karljp: Tried .gconf?
[11:37] <karljp> sorry, and .gconf and .gconfd
[11:37] <Fish-Face> Is this just because there are none released, or because I need another repo?
[11:37] <dcraven> karljp: hehe.. You could have remade the panel 50 times by now :)
[11:37] <nickrud> karljp, but that will kill all your other configurations
[11:37] <karljp> I don't have any configuration customizeations to lose nick
[11:37] <karljp> I just want the default panel back.
[11:37] <nickrud> karljp, yeah, I just noticed :)
[11:38] <karljp> dcraven: if I was having any luck rebuilding it by hand, I would have done so,
[11:38] <karljp> but it's not as easy as it sounds :)
[11:38] <outlier> Nafallo: I have to admit I like the idea of GPL drivers, and if I had some other networking on that box I'd take the time, but as is I'll be satisfied to give another 'returned because no linux drivers' data point to the vendor.
[11:38] <nickrud> karljp, you have done this from a console, without gnome running, right?
[11:38] <karljp> yeah
[11:38] <karljp> exited x, removed all those dirs
[11:39] <karljp> then startx
[11:39] <dcraven> karljp: I've made myself a fresh home directory before when I've given up. That'll do it for sure.
[11:39] <selinium> hi dcraven!
[11:39] <selinium> Hi all, anyone using rsync here?
[11:39] <karljp> heh, you'd think I'd pretty much junked everything by my personal files already by now :)
[11:39] <nickrud> karljp, be sure that gconfd is not running when you delete .gconf, it you haven't already :)
[11:39] <dcraven> Hey selinium!
[11:39] <Nafallo> outlier, well. the vendor broke against GPL. I notified the holder of the broken copyright, and the driver is GPL'd. I would say they don't need more pointers for a while ;-).
[11:40] <karljp> hmm, is it likely to have been running when I was out of X?
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> how come xfce is no longer in apt?
[11:40] <jeroen_> joh: no problem
[11:40] <jeroen_> bye everyone!! *waves*
[11:40] <mcquillg> why isn't there a package for jedit?
[11:40] <mcquillg> (in universe)?
[11:40] <nickrud> karljp, yeah, but I've occasionally had stray ones running, don't ask me why
[11:40] <dcraven> karljp: I've renamed my home dir dcraven.old and made a new one before. Then I could still get at any files I needed from my old home dir.
[11:40] <beerockxs_> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick working?
[11:41] <dcraven> selinium: I do backups via rsync since yesterday :)
[11:41] <outlier> Nafallo: I see.  Thanks for the info.
[11:41] <selinium> dcraven: so if I have any probs you might be able to help then... :
[11:41] <darkaudit> hybrid_goth: just did apt-get update and XFCE is still there
[11:41] <Kisain> how do you take a screenshot?
[11:41] <selinium> dcraven:)
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: hmm i dont have it h/o let me look
[11:42] <dcraven> selinium: I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem hard to use. The manpage is good for a quick reference too.
[11:43] <Nafallo> outlier, no problem. if you know how to compile the driver I would keep the card and compile the driver from sf.net/projects/rt2400, but that's your call :-).
[11:43] <dcraven> selinium: My backup scheme isn't well tested yet either :)
[11:43] <Nafallo> dcraven, backuppc? :-)
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: it is not in synaptic but i cant look in apt untill synaptic is done
[11:43] <Kisain> how do i take a screenshot of my desktop?
[11:43] <dcraven> Kisain: The printscreen key in GNOME.
[11:43] <Kisain> ok i wasen't shure
[11:43] <Kisain> thanx man
[11:43] <dcraven> Kisain: Alt+printscreen for just active window.
[11:43] <Nafallo> Kisain, System -> Screenshot :-)
[11:44] <darkaudit> hybrid_goth: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[11:44] <Kisain> you guys know a hellova lot more than me
[11:44] <Kisain> ^_^
[11:44] <cusco> hi please
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: :D yes
[11:44] <dcraven> Nafallo: Yeah. To backup the important crap on my pc,
[11:44] <cusco> help
[11:44] <karljp> fixedz0r!
[11:44] <darkaudit> ok... just checking :)
[11:44] <karljp> gconfd was still running :)
[11:44] <cusco> I have here a computer with windows installed
[11:44] <cusco> and I instaled hoary on it
[11:44] <Nafallo> dcraven, I plan to implement that myself. just need bigger disks for my server ;-).
[11:44] <selinium> dcraven: cool i will have a look at the man:) I used to run the backup cycles for A well know credit card house, so hopefully it will just need me to learn rsync
[11:44] <Nafallo> dcraven, again...
[11:45] <cusco> and please help me... because after instaling the base config
[11:45] <cusco> grub gives an error
[11:45] <cusco> error 17
[11:45] <outlier> Nafallo: I guess I'll give it a go before I swap out the card. From what I'd read, I would need to use a windows driver with some sort of wrapper that didn't work with every kernel, etc.  I gather its better than that now.
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: join me in flood and i will show you my sources.list
[11:45] <cusco> and I can't start my computer
[11:45] <cusco> only from the cd
[11:46] <darkaudit> there
[11:46] <Nafallo> outlier, if it is an rt2500-chipset it sure is :-)
[11:46] <shido6> thanks for the esd
[11:46] <shido6> xine works
[11:46] <shido6> vlc doesnt yet tho...
[11:46] <dcraven> Nafallo, selinium, I used a variation of this scheme, only implemented in Python with an excludes system etc etc... --> http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/
[11:46] <outlier> Nafallo: That's what lspci claims, so I guess it is.
[11:46] <nickrud> shido6, for vlc you need to get vlc-esd
[11:46] <cusco> please help me partitioning my system
[11:46] <XandriX> aww thx selinium
[11:46] <Nafallo> outlier, kewl :-)
[11:47] <outlier> Nafallo: catch you later, and thanks.
[11:47] <Nafallo> outlier, oki. see ya :-).
[11:48] <selinium> dcraven: Cheers for that, I will take a look. I have been looking at a couple of tuts but as I am new to linux they can seem a little confusing!
[11:48] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:48] <topyli> what is special about the gnome-menus package in the backport repository?
[11:48] <dcraven> selinium: I'll do my best to help if I'm here.. It's a perfect little project for you if you want to learn some Python :)
[11:48] <Nafallo> I should take a look at the auctionsite for tapebackup ;-)
[11:49] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: lol
[11:50] <selinium> dcraven: cheers for the pointers, I'll take you up on that if I have to. :)
[11:50] <Nafallo> dcraven, kewl. it's bookmarked :-).
[11:51] <dcraven> selinium, Nafallo, 3 days worth of backups for the price (in data size) of one :)
[11:51] <hypno> selinium: rdiff-backup is a good backup program
[11:52] <Nafallo> dcraven, yea. I've read about the methods before :-). I'm just to lazy to implement it ;-).
[11:52] <selinium> hypno: will that allow for backing up remote files?
[11:52] <dataw0lf|w> what's wrong with rsync?
[11:53] <hypno> selinium: you can back up to a remote place, yeah
[11:53] <dcraven> selinium: It looks like it will backup to a remote host.
[11:53] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: Nothing. Works well.
[11:53] <selinium> dataw0lf|w: that is what I am going to use, but i like to know the other options
[11:53] <thegreedyturtle> ?? question
[11:53] <[uhelp] > question[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:54] <thegreedyturtle> ?? java
[11:54] <[uhelp] > java: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java -OR- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats. You may also use apt-get to install 'java-package' which will take a linux binary copy of JRE from http://java.sun.com and create a debian package (make-jpkg).
[11:54] <thegreedyturtle> ?? tableofcontents
[11:54] <[uhelp] > tableofcontents[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:54] <dataw0lf|w> selinium:  well, learn rsync, then find out what exactly you don't like about it, then compare it to the alternatives.
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> java: i believe there is a gcc front end of java
[11:54] <dazzed> whast everyone up to today
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> hey daazzed
[11:54] <cusco> hi... Im installing ubuntu right now on another computer... it has XP so I would lik it to be dual boot... now please Im no the partitioning fase
[11:54] <hypno> selinium: rdiff-backup has the nice feature where you can restore your files as they were at any time within the last couple of weeks
[11:55] <cusco> is there a tuturial to guide me truh it?
[11:55] <cusco> what partitions should I create?
[11:55] <cusco> a swap partition
[11:55] <cusco> and a ext3 root bartition
[11:55] <cusco> with the bootable flag
[11:56] <selinium> dataw0lf|w: I will get rsync working then. Then have a look at rdiff, Cheers for all your pointers everybody!
[11:56] <Nafallo> rdiff-backup wasn't an option for me. my server will only run main :-)
[11:56] <cusco> ?!?!?!
[11:56] <cusco> please help me
[11:56] <shido6> thanks for the vlc-esd info
[11:56] <Sion> hi
[11:56] <Nafallo> so it's either backuppc or I will write my own scripts :-)
[11:57] <dataw0lf|w> cusco: right, make a ext3 root partition with the bootable flag, and a swap partition.
[11:57] <patrik> i cant get my .rar files to work. any one ?
[11:57] <dataw0lf|w> if you still want your XP partition, retain the 'ntfs' partition that was detected by the installer.
[11:58] <dataw0lf|w> make your swap partition at least the size of the memory available on your box, e.g., if you have 1 gig of RAM, make a 1 gig swap partition.
[11:58] <neighborlee> is there an easy way i'm overlooking to be able to mount my windows partitions and copy over data ?? ( one that does not require shell access )
[11:58] <dataw0lf|w> then the / partition (root)
[11:59] <Nafallo> patrik, unrar-nonfree from multiverse handles RAR 3.0 and later.
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> alternatively, you could partition off some other stuff, like /tmp, /usr, /home, etc.
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> but you have to have the / partition.
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> well, you _should_ have it.
[11:59] <WeirdAl> how do I start GDM from console?
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> startx
[11:59] <patrik> Nafallo, where can i find it  ?
[11:59] <p0m> WeirdAl: Gdmstart or GDM
[11:59] <Nafallo> patrik, in multiverse
[12:00] <patrik> im a noob explain for me :)
[12:00] <WeirdAl> command not found.
[12:00] <nickrud> WeirdAl, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start