[12:02] ok let me know about that approach [12:03] smouche: dunno really... now i can't umount my cdrom drive... gotta figure that one out first... [12:04] blueeel: if your icon is still on the desktop, right click and choose eject [12:05] kkathman: it's not... [12:05] ahh ok [12:05] thats the way it worked for me [12:06] well, here come the backports, sheesh, I hate using backports... [12:07] hehe [12:07] just a hastle getting all those public keys [12:08] blueeel: have you tried typing "sudo eject /dev/cdrom" into a terminal? [12:09] well, now that I recall, I've got almost everything this script is going for already; I think I ran it and then commented out the extra repos; but I don't understand why I didn't get the JRE... [12:09] I will go check out that freemind wiki [12:10] mrmanic: ahh... thanks a lot... i was just about to reboot... [12:10] sheesh, now it's telling me it can't install jave, because it already exists... === blueeel is wondering where he put all his mp3-cds... [12:10] blueeel: I feel your pain. took me a couple of hours to figure out how to unmount and eject my ipod successfully [12:10] <-- dumb [12:11] mrmanic, I have no clue how to mount my camera, and I don't feel dumb. well, not much. [12:11] mount /camera [12:12] mwhahaha [12:12] jk [12:12] i figured it couldn't be that easy. [12:12] mrmanic: i've got no problems with my ipod... except it got stolen last week... [12:12] blueeel: that's a problem. that sucks. [12:12] smouche: does it show up under media:/? [12:13] smouche: is your system a laptop? [12:13] yep, laptop [12:13] smouche: I use a pcmcia <-> compactflash adapter. [12:13] smouche: I find it works perfectly. === blueeel well... going to bed... see ya folks... and thanks for all the help.. [12:14] then I just slot it into my 1 pcmcia slot [12:14] I'm sure I can do it, just don't know how at them moment. [12:14] night blueeel === blueeel [~blueeel@0x50c499b7.adsl-fixed.tele.dk] has left #kubuntu ["going] [12:14] smouche: at least for me, as soon as I slotted it in, it figured itself out and showed up in the media kioslave [12:15] mrmanic: Good day to you sir :) [12:15] smouche: then it was just a matter of clicking it to mount it, and right clicking, and choosing unmount to unmount it. [12:15] hey kkathman [12:15] well, this is weird, kkathman -- it's telling me that java already exists. But apps like opera insist it doesn't. [12:16] smouche, the freemind page says to just do an install of java-package [12:16] it mentions "fakeroot" you know what that is? [12:16] nope! [12:16] do they mean sudo? [12:17] maybe [12:17] smouche type java -version in a shell [12:18] smouche I never installed java and my Opera didnt complain, is your homepage java based? [12:18] well, what do you know, yep, I got it [12:18] Could be that your opera home page has java on it maybe? [12:19] fakeroot and sudo aren't the same. [12:19] sudo has root privileges [12:19] fakeroot only pretends to have root privileges [12:19] kkathman, that's a possibility, but I think opera gave me that error from the get-go -- whoa! maybe I had a leftover config file from previous Opera [12:19] I had uninstalled it... [12:19] but can generate archives that contain files owned by root. [12:19] if I was going to do a make, it would be better to do that with sudo, not fakeroot right mrmanic ? [12:20] or do I actually use fakeroot? [12:20] fakeroot will be more secure. [12:20] guess I should follow the instructions :) [12:20] thanks mrmanic :) [12:20] if you don't care about security, just use sudo [12:20] anyway, kkathman, I can view the public mindmaps , takes forever for Sun java to load in the browser though. [12:21] I don't actually know what I'm talking about, I just glanced at the fakeroot manpage :) [12:21] mrmanic: the issue is that I got the Java SDK installed, but apparently not the JRE [12:21] kkathman: I see. I can't help you there, friend, I haven't gotten that far on this system yet. [12:21] mrmanic: not to worry, sir, I appreciate your help all the same :) [12:21] SDK - "sun development kit" ? is that what that is? Weird it didn't bring the JRE in with it [12:22] sdk is generally "software development kit" [12:22] yes [12:22] yeah I dont think it does [12:22] freemind is definitely pointing to install the java package [12:22] kkathman, can you see map on this page: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/PublicMaps.html [12:23] nope [12:24] says I need to install the JRE of course hehe :) [12:24] hmm, kkathman, I think you might want to try that script I mentioned before. [12:25] It automates everything, much easier than going through the Sun site. [12:26] takes a while to run, and it might try to install stuff you don't want, but I think you can say no to stuff as it goes... [12:27] Im downloading the JRE now and just following the wiki site for Freemind [12:27] well, I'm happy to say that this java version loads really fast, once you run it the first time. [12:27] if that doesnt work then I'll go the other route I suppose :) [12:28] here's the link again, in case, kkathman: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646 [12:28] thanks smouche :) === NTolerance [~nt@cpe-024-162-255-174.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:37] brb === MindZEye [~mindzeye@seanparsons.plus.com] has joined #kubuntu === eleckttruss [~eleckttru@200.109.186.205] has joined #kubuntu === eleckttruss [~eleckttru@200.109.186.205] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [12:43] mrmanic, I think I may do go with the memory card adaptor strategy myself. [12:43] good suggestion! [12:44] i'm wondering exactly what that java-package does [12:44] Which one, kkathman? [12:45] that apt-get install java-package [12:46] don't know how up to date that is... [12:48] Hmmm, I see microsoft is advertising on sourceforge pages; never noticed that before... [12:49] weird eh?? === Mussi [~Mussi@mussi.user] has joined #kubuntu [12:56] well, kkathman, I don't understand this at all. [12:57] I've got good-enough jave to see a map on a webpage -- that used to mean, I had the right version to run freemind myself also, but [12:57] when I installed the deb, I got this garbage: [12:57] freemind depends on j2re1.4 | java2-runtime; however: [12:57] Package j2re1.4 is not installed. [12:57] Package java2-runtime is not installed. [12:57] freemind depends on j2re1.4 | java-virtual-machine; however: [12:57] Package j2re1.4 is not installed. [12:57] Package java-virtual-machine is not installed. [12:57] dpkg: error processing freemind (--install): [12:57] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [12:57] hrm [12:57] sorry to flood! [12:57] have you tried the setup scripts on the forums? [12:57] that's how i installed java [12:58] NTolerance, yes. and I have the latest JRE installed, I believe. [12:58] hm [12:58] what page is giving you problems? [12:59] NTolerance, it's a java app I can't install. [12:59] ah [12:59] I have java version "1.5.0_02" [12:59] yeah, that's the version in the setup scripts [12:59] i find this annoying about linux....you have a later version of whatever stuff, yet things won't install unless you have the older version [01:00] so you go to install the older version and it won't let you [01:00] :( [01:00] That looks like the deal here. Ah, screw it. [01:00] i have all of problems installing python apps on ubuntu [01:00] the python on ubuntu has a version of like python-3.3.ubuntu or something [01:00] so any program looking for python-3.3 throws a shit fit [01:00] it just pisses me off 'cause I had it working on here before! previous install though... [01:01] well [01:01] maybe try removing java 1.5 and finding a package for 1.4? [01:01] might be necessary === laforge [~laforge@pD9E68D61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:04] anyone here having problems with klaptop? [01:05] doesn't look like the repositories got updated today :( [01:08] NTolerance: can you check that freemind page with me and help me see what to do on one of the steps? [01:09] Im having probs with understanding...and did you tell me you did a java install? [01:09] kkathman, I have the java 2 runtime. [01:09] smouche could you go here: http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FreeMind_on_Linux#On_a_Debian_system [01:10] but freemind install insists I don't. [01:10] ok [01:10] and help me understand something === narg_ [~narg@dsl-65-171-97-106.tcq.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:11] kkathman, I have no idea what they're talking about there. [01:11] i do have java installed [01:11] but it's version 1.5 [01:11] not 1.4 [01:12] I used the directions on the main download page and did a normal dpkg -- but got errors saying I don't have java, but I do. [01:12] every page I've consulted on installing java has told me something different, so I don't know. [01:13] but I can see the maps, so I should be able to run this thing! [01:13] hey, if it works, it works [01:13] what exactly are you trying to figure out kkathman [01:14] kkathman, do you know any other apps we could test this on? I'm about fed up with freemind! ;-( === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu === bosborne [~bosborne@pool-151-199-172-207.lyn.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:16] hi [01:16] omghi2u [01:16] hey, kkathman, this is interesting -- I just opened synaptic, and updated, and now it's trying to bring in some of that missing java stuff... [01:16] fingers crossed... [01:17] it told me I have a broken package... [01:17] how to, resolution 800x600 56 mhz?, and not 60 Mhz, my monitor dont work [01:17] in kde 3.4 damn man, what kind of monitor is that? [01:18] vintage 1989? [01:18] jaja [01:18] is svga max, resolution 800x600 56 Mhz [01:18] :_( === peter_ [~peter@dsl-082-083-052-158.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:19] it's probably in a config file somwhere, be it xorg.conf or some KDE file [01:19] but i don't know for sure [01:19] I triying edit xorg.conf but nothing [01:19] my problem is edit the Mhz de refresh [01:20] right [01:20] 56 Mhz and not 60 Mhz ;_( [01:22] I see file xorg.conf and modify 50 70 ..> 50 56 :b === Quinn_Away is now known as Quinn_Storm [01:22] but nothing === thoreauputic [7ba86369cd@wolax7-066.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:26] kkathman! I got it. [01:27] I didn't use all that "fakeroot" stuff, but it looks like a combination of that other script with an update in synaptic did the trick. === bosborne [~bosborne@pool-151-199-172-207.lyn.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:27] btw, kkathman, I got the latest release candidate for freemind, from the sourceforge page, not the one on the wiki [01:28] it looks like a much better version, so far. === whiteknight [~james@81-178-230-92.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu === smouche goes off to toss back a whiskey to celebrate java installation... === smouche is now known as smouche_chivas === darkaudit [~bpack@pool-141-153-89-111.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:38] i'll have a Busch to celebrate [01:38] so what does freemind do? === smouche_chivas is now known as smouche === mikerobi [~mike@pcp09227882pcs.sanarb01.mi.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu [] [01:44] NTolerance: it's sort of a variation on "mindmapper" apps, if you've seen those before. [01:44] best to look at some screen shots, to have an idea: [01:44] just a sec [01:45] http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/ [01:46] it's fun to use for brainstorming ideas, or as a kind of freeform pim [01:47] I was very dependant on it in windows; glad to finally have it working in linux === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu [01:49] oh [01:49] this is like Visio [01:56] smouche...Im confused as to what that page is telling me [01:56] it says for me to download a self extracting bin, but then to do a fakeroot on something else [01:57] I didnt get any instructions on the java-package [01:57] so Im still a bit out in the cold on it === _warren [~warren@202.68.152.137] has joined #kubuntu === thoreauputic is now known as thor|caffeine [01:59] oh well === spiritz [~spiritz@tin51-1-82-231-252-9.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === thor|caffeine is now known as thoreauputic === NTolerance [~nt@cpe-024-162-255-174.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === prevod [prevod@P1-231-20016.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #kubuntu [02:07] kkathman, this is what worked for me: I ignored that page about the fake root, [02:07] I used the script on ubuntu wiki to install java, or part of it anyway === spiritz [~spiritz@tin51-1-82-231-252-9.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] [02:08] I downloaded the freemind rc from sourceforge [02:08] did a dpkg on it, [02:08] got a bunch of errors [02:08] opened synaptic, which very nicely fixed my dependency problems for me [02:09] and then, magically, freemind was there, ready to go. === _warren is now known as wnorrix === mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip24-250-44-152.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:11] dammit, there I am like an idiot talking at kkathman, when he quit! [02:11] doh! === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu === ice_1963 [~gary@pcp0010958841pcs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === smouche is now known as smouche_nap === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC0343.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [02:28] i love kubuntu :0) === adapt [~adam@c-67-187-57-98.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu === prevod [prevod@P1-238-20023.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #kubuntu === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu [02:39] hi [02:40] my poblem is my driver the video [02:40] my video chipset is SIS 661FX/964L , [02:41] but my system recognize VESA :/ [02:41] I see xorgcfg in textmode , in section Card, and only dirver ATI and vmware [02:41] no more [02:41] plz help me :_( === marcio [~marcio@200-158-37-102.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #kubuntu === fernandotcl [~fernando@200-232-176-83.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #kubuntu [02:48] hello [02:49] hi [02:49] hey Shapord [02:49] i got a problem... i have alsa set up properly, and artsd is running fine (kde plays bells and suchlike), but amarok won't work :S [02:50] easy [02:50] motor engine [02:50] i tried both the arts and the xine engine [02:50] change for xine [02:50] none worked :S [02:50] :o [02:50] traying other [02:50] arts [02:50] or xmms [02:51] hmmm i might try... [02:51] that's rather confusing though, i expected this to work out of the box [02:53] fernandotcl: you might try installing "xine-ui" -- that brings in codecs and such that plain xine engine doesn't, I think [02:53] smouche_nap: hmmm lemme try that... [02:54] i'm installing xine-ui right now === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu [02:56] i tried playing oggs... just to be sure... [02:57] yay it worked! [02:57] many thanks smouche_nap [02:57] cool! [02:57] cya === fernandotcl [~fernando@200-232-176-83.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:57] you're welcome, fernandotcl [02:59] I have to stop this habit of talking at people when they've already left. === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu === Cowlike-away is now known as Cowlike === Shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu === phxguy [~phxguy@ip24-251-194-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === gunny [~gunny@res-66-169-54-062.spa.sc.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@26.sub-166-153-49.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip24-250-44-152.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === phxguy [~phxguy@ip24-251-194-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #kubuntu ["check] === edsuom [~edsuom@207-118-80-61.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@26.sub-166-153-49.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === smouche [~bc@cpe-24-90-94-112.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === smouche [~bc@cpe-24-90-94-112.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu [] === edsuom [~edsuom@207-118-80-61.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #kubuntu === AceMan [~me@81-178-248-111.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu === smouche [~bc@cpe-24-90-94-112.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === flores [~flores@200.175.67.93.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #kubuntu === mikerobi [~mike@pcp09227882pcs.sanarb01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:04] anyone having troubles with incorrect font sizes? === engos [~flores@200.175.67.93.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #kubuntu [04:06] mikerobi, only with non-kde apps [04:06] firefox fonts are absurdly small, for example [04:07] I just had that problem for the first time [04:07] used gnome-control-center to fix [04:08] in kde the proportions seem out of wack, the differnece between 10pt and 12pt seems to big, but i could be going crazy [04:09] actually [04:09] thats slightly easy to fix [04:09] use gnome-control-center to set the font size to 72dpi [04:09] Diablo-D3: i'm listening === Cowlike [~Cowlike@24-148-87-160.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:10] kde doesnt set the dpi setting for some stupid reason, and gnome defaults to what your X server is set at [04:10] is'nt it supposed to match your monitor or something? [04:10] nope [04:10] well, it _can_ match your monitor [04:11] but I dont think dpi is in EDID [04:11] EDID? [04:11] er, not edid, whatever that vesa information thing is [04:11] I set it to 72, now gnome fonts are way to small [04:12] set your gnome fonts to the same size your kde ones have [04:12] eheheh.... you know your in trouble when a program ignored sigkill... :p [04:12] narg_: probably locked by the kernel [04:12] narg_: ie, its blocked [04:12] hrm, I guess [04:12] nothing I can do then [04:12] my cds going to be in there for a long time methinks :p [04:13] well, you _could_ reboot [04:13] Diablo-D3: gtk fonts are still 2 small [04:13] well, thats last resort [04:13] mikerobi: how odd [04:13] I happen to live my uptime, and I dislike killing it [04:13] like* [04:13] mikerobi: try putting the dpi at 100 [04:13] If it doesnt let me eject in 5 min, ill reboot though [04:14] Diablo-D3: thanks [04:14] mikerobi: 72 and 100 are magic DPIs in X [04:14] same way 96 is in windows [04:14] it was set to 96 originally [04:15] yeah, I have no clue why gnome tries that [04:15] its a stupid choice, X defaults to neither [04:15] er, X defaults to 72 or 100, never 96 [04:15] I think its an X thing, my monitor went to power save, and the fonts were different when it woke up [04:15] er, woah [04:15] or maybe back to that crazy thing [04:15] thats a severe retardation thing imo. [04:16] mikerobi, put -> Xft.dpi: 100 , in ~/.Xresources that will set the dpi to 100 when X starts [04:16] heh, these programs dont want to give up. Going down for a boot. [04:17] chavo: yeah, but that shouldnt be required =/ [04:18] When i upgraded my system from fedora i was not happy to find my kde profile folders were wiped clean when I logged on the first time [04:18] Diablo-D3, probably not, but I've had it in mine for a long time. [04:19] mikerobi: probably some anti-fedora protection scheme [04:19] seriously? [04:20] remember, fedora is an evil cancer in the linux community! [04:20] it needs to be wiped out at all costs! [04:20] if you're using fedora, the terrorists have already won! [04:20] well those folders date back to my mandrake days === narg [~narg@dsl-65-171-97-106.tcq.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:21] mikerobi, I had some issues with kde settings when I upgraded to 3.4. [04:22] I was running mandrake for a while also. [04:23] mandrake sold out, to who I'm not sure, but it went south pretty quickly [04:23] sold out "metaphorically" [04:23] no one should have to pay for community support [04:24] Yeah, I don't know what's going on over there, but I used Mandrake for a long time and finally had to get away. [04:24] I can't remember what it was exactly but i uncovered somethign crippled in my last mandrake install === bryan [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === bryan is now known as Zugot [04:26] I there there were source files not included, and i needed them to make some changes or something, can't remember exactly but i was mad as hell. [04:27] I there there (only americans commint english atrocities like that) === NTolerance [~nt@cpe-024-162-255-174.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:32] i could never get mandrake to update out of the box using their won tools === whiskers [~whiskers@adsl-68-94-96-86.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:36] fedora's update manager is terrible [04:36] i installed it like 3 times and it crashed on me every time [04:37] fc3 updated for a while, and then started giving me troubles [04:38] redhat's servers are really slow [04:38] i personally think... if gentoo had packages as an option, it would be the best [04:38] i think that's what may have been causing the lockups [04:38] but not for the general public in its present focus [04:38] i don't have any experience with gentoo, but i don't like compiling things that much [04:38] there are packages available in Gentoo [04:39] since when [04:39] i will admit though that the Gentoo forums have a good bit of information [04:39] on some of my wild goose chases in Linux i end up there [04:39] the gentoo user base tends to be alot more... hands on [04:39] NTolerance: i was running fc2 [04:40] but it was heavily modified [04:40] i used fc3 [04:40] I replaced a lot of the included packages [04:40] the tips and tricks section is pretty awesome on the gentoo forums [04:41] ubuntu's is great as well....i really liked Mepis but its forums and documentation are not even close [04:42] anyone have any problems with firefox closing when you change desktops? [04:43] NTolerance: i have no problems at all with FF [04:43] Cowlike: do you use thunderbird as well? [04:43] mikerobi: no kmail [04:44] mikerobi: i used thunderbird at work but that's on win xp [04:44] The thunderbird package cant' find my profile, but the official mozilla release works fine [04:44] does anyone know of an alternative to Klaptop? [04:45] glaptop? [04:45] will it run in the KDE systray? [04:45] mikerobi: wouldn't they be using different dirs for the profile? (mozilla and thunderbird) [04:45] heh i was j/k [04:45] damnit [04:46] Cowlike: the thunderbird release from the mozilla web site [04:46] has anyone here been haven't trouble with there freenode connection? [04:46] mikerobi: ahh ok [04:46] mine has been fine [04:47] my freenode connection never goes down [04:47] jsut afew netsplits [04:47] dang it [04:47] of late I have been having trobles, but oftc.net is fine [04:48] does anyone successfully use acpi hibernate on their laptop? I mean from ubuntu [04:49] no, i had problems with resuming [04:49] i've had nothing but problems with klaptop [04:49] mine crashes on resume :( [04:49] slow response, crashing, intermittantly dimming my screen, shutting down my laptop, etc [04:49] worked under Suse though [04:49] it's a kubuntu thing probably [04:50] my only option now is to disable klaptop and watch my battery status in torsmo [04:50] i haven't found an alternative [04:50] yeah but sux not to be able to save your current state [04:50] there's a battery plugin for kxdocker but i can't get it to compile [04:50] i don't care about watching the battery, just want to hibernate when done working [04:51] i would like the opposite [04:51] but we both need a better implementation [04:51] i find it hard to believe that there's only one laptop program for KDE [04:51] i mean, i care about how low the batter is :).... main thing though is i need to hibernate === bryan [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === bryan is now known as bry === bry is now known as Zugot [04:57] NTolerance: uninstall the package and complie it from the latest release [04:59] klaptop? [04:59] yes [04:59] a novel idea === edgard [~edgard@32.106.80.5] has joined #kubuntu [05:00] is the latest version on sourceforge? [05:00] a google search is giving me random results [05:00] i wouldn't now, that was my generall advice for all misbehaving packages [05:00] worth a shot [05:01] ah, it looks like it is part of kdeutils [05:01] which, IIRC, will bust my KDE if i upgrade....with the whole kdelibs issue, right? [05:02] likely, but if you download and comple kdeutils you can probably install the klaptop files by hand [05:03] i can compile and install packages, but i don't know how to pick stuff out of a package and just install one thing === flyphisher [~sdavies@208.187.84.38] has joined #kubuntu [05:03] is there a major issue with jumping from running KDE CVS and KDE 3.4? [05:04] mrmanic: going back in time is generally more dangerous than going forward [05:04] from what i can tell kdeutils doesn't have anything in it that would cripple my system if i uninstalled it [05:04] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kdeutils [05:05] i wonder if my KDE would survive if i uninstalled it with synaptic [05:05] mikerobi: is this life advice or kde advice? === eleckttruss [~eleckttru@200.109.186.205] has joined #kubuntu [05:06] mrmanic: i'm not sure i reread your question, are you going from cvs to 3.4? === eleckttruss [~eleckttru@200.109.186.205] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:07] I'm thinking of running CVS, but CVS breaks from time to time, so I may jump back to 3.4 in the interim, you know? [05:07] mrmanic: why not install both with different prefixes [05:07] mrmanic: ? [05:07] Quinn_Storm: I'd ideally like to be able to work off of the same .kde dir. [05:08] mrmanic: you can use the same .kde with no trouble if you can alter $PATH and $KDEDIR on session start to point to, for example, /opt/kde/cvs/ or /opt/kde/3.4/ [05:08] NTolerance: I have an idea, stay posted [05:09] Quinn_Storm: oh yeah. that's simple enough. I can do that easily enough. Mostly I just want to make sure that moving back and forth won't destroy my kde settings. [05:09] ok [05:09] I guess I'll have to back up before jumping back. [05:09] kdeutils doesn't look like it it depends on kdelibs [05:09] according to synaptic [05:09] mrmanic: it shouldn't unless a kde cvs bug b0rks your settings [05:09] but yeah backups are a good idea [05:10] Quinn_Storm: thanks for the info [05:12] mrmanic: sure [05:14] NTolerance: if you get a daily snapshot or the cvs release you can [05:14] ./configure; cd klaptopdeamon; sudo make install [05:14] ah [05:14] that will only compile and install klaptop and it should do it write on top of the version already installed [05:14] nice [05:15] you might need to run autoconf first to generate the configure script [05:16] ok, i'm hunting down the source now [05:16] ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/snapshots/ [05:16] or cvs [05:17] the last official release of kdeutils is 3.4 which i presume you have [05:17] yeah [05:17] man i can't believe they have sdlbasic for linux now....darkbasic for windows was just getting noticed and now sdlbasic for linux is going to wipe it out === shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu [05:18] Cowlike, I'm about to try hibernating with this script I found here: [05:18] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2005-March/000033.html [05:18] If it blows up my computer, I'll let you know [05:18] smouche: thank for the tip [05:18] i'm watching :) [05:19] er, actually, I guess I'll only be able to let you know if it - doesn't - blow it up === utta [~utta@c-24-128-224-224.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:19] let me know too [05:19] lol [05:19] see you in a minute or two, I hope... [05:19] who in the world came up with sdlbasic [05:20] I think the monks on the Holy Mountain did [05:20] Cowlike, hard to say [05:20] no, it's for sure === shapord [~shapord@201.240.189.6] has joined #kubuntu [05:20] they had some help from Bill Gates but they eventually did it [05:22]