| lexxan | Should the name still be [uhelp] | 12:07 |
|---|---|---|
| mako | lexxan: why not? | 12:10 |
| lexxan | I dunno | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | it already has mindshare | 12:11 |
| ubuntu-helper | could make it that heh | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | !learn add shipit You will be contacted before any Ubuntu CD's ordered through Shipit are shipped | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | ?? shipit | 12:23 |
| [uhelp] | shipit: You will be contacted before any Ubuntu CD's ordered through Shipit are shipped | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | thoughts? | 12:23 |
| mdke | +1 | 12:24 |
| mdke | cool bot | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | make mylife easy | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | ?? shipit > mdke | 12:24 |
| mdke | v nice | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, did you get that? | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | ?? shipit > Burgundavia | 12:25 |
| mdke | will you be added links to websites? | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | ?? sudo | 12:25 |
| [uhelp] | sudo: Root is disabled in Ubuntu by default. Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo | 12:25 |
| froud | +1 | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | ?? ati | 12:25 |
| [uhelp] | ati: To setup your xorg binary ati driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto | 12:25 |
| mdke | good | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | ?? nvidia | 12:25 |
| mdke | ?? mp3 | 12:25 |
| [uhelp] | nvidia: to setup your xorg binary nvidia driver see - http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto -OR- http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver -ALSO- http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html | 12:25 |
| [uhelp] | mp3[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:25 |
| === mdke peers at Burgundavia | ||
| Burgundavia | not mine | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | but I can edit it | 12:26 |
| Burgundavia | ?? dvd | 12:26 |
| [uhelp] | dvd[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:26 |
| froud | Burgundavia: we need openmethods for management of the bot | 12:26 |
| Burgundavia | we are looking at moving onto a canonical server right now | 12:26 |
| Burgundavia | currently is hosted by lexxan | 12:26 |
| froud | perhaps a file in the repso that we can update | 12:26 |
| froud | centrally | 12:27 |
| froud | and programatically update the bot from there | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | once it is one a canonical server, we extend to it to our liking | 12:27 |
| froud | good stuff | 12:27 |
| froud | my experience with these bots is good, but after awhile one forgets what they know | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | !dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | ?? dvd | 12:27 |
| [uhelp] | dvd[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | !learn dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 12:28 |
| froud | having it in a centarl place helps | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | !learn add dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | ?? dvd | 12:28 |
| [uhelp] | dvd: To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | !learn add mp3 To setup mp3 playback, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | ?? mp3 | 12:29 |
| [uhelp] | mp3: To setup mp3 playback, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 12:29 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, :) | 12:29 |
| Burgundavia | this is cool beans | 12:29 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | need to get it op status methinks | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | op status? why? | 12:30 |
| mdke | so that it appears at the top of the channel list | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 12:30 |
| Burgundavia | it already does though | 12:30 |
| froud | does it really matter where in the channel it sits | 12:31 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 12:31 |
| froud | just so long as it responds | 12:31 |
| Burgundavia | but the channel should mention it | 12:32 |
| mdke | i was thinking in terms of visibility | 12:32 |
| froud | to key people | 12:32 |
| mdke | its ok if it responds, but people need to know its there | 12:32 |
| froud | in my experience only key people will use it | 12:32 |
| froud | while giving support | 12:32 |
| mdke | standard approach is to put it at the top of the channel list | 12:32 |
| Burgundavia | anybody can query it, but only some can edit it | 12:32 |
| froud | yes, but the people who need to query it wont know its syntax | 12:32 |
| froud | in my experience only people doing support will use it | 12:33 |
| Burgundavia | we need to extend it for languages | 12:33 |
| Burgundavia | it should say, in the tongue, for talk in blah, see #ubuntu-blah | 12:33 |
| Burgundavia | ?? ntfs | 12:35 |
| [uhelp] | ntfs[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:35 |
| Burgundavia | ?? windows | 12:35 |
| [uhelp] | windows[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:35 |
| Burgundavia | ?? mount | 12:35 |
| [uhelp] | mount[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:35 |
| Burgundavia | ?? ubuntu | 12:35 |
| [uhelp] | ubuntu[x] : No defenition found for word. | 12:35 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, very good idea re: languages | 12:35 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, i get the feeling you are going to be happily busy over the next few hours... | 12:36 |
| mdke | :) | 12:36 |
| Burgundavia | we need to extend the wiki as well | 12:36 |
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| lexxan | lol | 12:59 |
| lexxan | If you know tcl.. you can go nuts | 12:59 |
| lexxan | just get it a +v | 12:59 |
| lexxan | it'll be at the top of the list then | 12:59 |
| lexxan | ?? mountntfs | 01:02 |
| [uhelp] | mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | ah, ok | 01:02 |
| Burgundavia | we need something good in the wiki about that | 01:02 |
| lexxan | I'm gonna see if I can find a better script | 01:04 |
| Burgundavia | for the bot? | 01:04 |
| Burgundavia | something in python would be nice | 01:04 |
| mdke | supybot is in python | 01:04 |
| mdke | anyway, i'm off to bed | 01:06 |
| mdke | night | 01:06 |
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| lexxan | night | 01:07 |
| Burgundavia | night | 01:07 |
| Burgundavia | ?? | 01:08 |
| [uhelp] | ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] | 01:08 |
| lexxan | i-bot, status | 01:08 |
| i-bot | Since Mon May 2 17:07:37 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions. I have been awake for 1 minute, 11 seconds this session, and currently reference 18 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. | 01:08 |
| Burgundavia | what is i-bot? | 01:08 |
| lexxan | another type of bot | 01:09 |
| lexxan | i-bot, root is GGG | 01:10 |
| i-bot | OK, lexxan. | 01:10 |
| lexxan | what is root? | 01:10 |
| i-bot | somebody said root was GGG | 01:10 |
| lexxan | i-bot, tell lexxan about root | 01:10 |
| i-bot | root is, like, GGG | 01:10 |
| lexxan | heh | 01:10 |
| lexxan | don't like it | 01:10 |
| Burgundavia | supybot is even packaged | 01:11 |
| lexxan | Gotta find a script for it | 01:12 |
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| lexxan | @config supybot.directories.plugins | 01:22 |
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| lexxan | @config supybot.directories.plugins | 01:22 |
| uhelp | lexxan: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot, /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/supybot/plugins | 01:22 |
| Burgundavia | lexxan, what is your supybot.networks.freenode.servers: line say? | 01:23 |
| lexxan | irc.freenode.net:6667 | 01:24 |
| lexxan | I don't like this bot at all | 01:24 |
| lexxan | heh. | 01:24 |
| lexxan | @load Infobot | 01:26 |
| uhelp | lexxan: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 01:26 |
| lexxan | whoami | 01:27 |
| lexxan | uhelp, whoami | 01:27 |
| uhelp | lexxan: I don't recognize you. | 01:27 |
| Burgundavia | eggdrop is also packaged | 01:27 |
| lexxan | @load Infobot | 01:27 |
| uhelp | lexxan: Error: Infobot is deprecated. Use --deprecated to force it to load. | 01:27 |
| lexxan | @load Infobot --deprecated | 01:27 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (load [--deprecated] <plugin>) -- Loads the plugin <plugin> from any of the directories in conf.supybot.directories.plugins; usually this includes the main installed directory and 'plugins' in the current directory. --deprecated is necessary if you wish to load deprecated plugins. | 01:27 |
| lexxan | @load --deprecated Infobot | 01:28 |
| uhelp | lexxan: The operation succeeded. | 01:28 |
| lexxan | list infobot | 01:29 |
| lexxan | @list infobot | 01:29 |
| uhelp | lexxan: stats, status, and tell | 01:29 |
| lexxan | @list infobot stats | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (list [--private] [<plugin>] ) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @list stats | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: Error: 'stats' is not a valid plugin. | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @list infobot | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: stats, status, and tell | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @list stats | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: Error: 'stats' is not a valid plugin. | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @stats | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @status | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: Since Mon May 2 17:22:46 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions. I have been awake for 7 minutes and 36 seconds this session, and currently reference 19 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @tell | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here. | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @infobot | 01:30 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message) | 01:30 |
| lexxan | @list infobot | 01:31 |
| uhelp | lexxan: stats, status, and tell | 01:31 |
| lexxan | @infobot | 01:31 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message) | 01:31 |
| lexxan | list Infobot | 01:31 |
| lexxan | @infobot list | 01:31 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message) | 01:31 |
| Burgundavia | lexxan, can I get some info on what the eggbot config files? | 01:31 |
| lexxan | @infobot list infobot | 01:31 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (infobot <command> [<args> ...] ) -- Command dispatcher for the Infobot plugin. Use 'list Infobot' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Infobot' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message) | 01:31 |
| lexxan | Burgundavia, What do you mean | 01:31 |
| Burgundavia | your config files? | 01:31 |
| Burgundavia | did you use any plugins, etc. | 01:32 |
| lexxan | No.. | 01:32 |
| lexxan | I just used the default one | 01:32 |
| Burgundavia | just a default install? | 01:32 |
| lexxan | and added the tcl for !learn | 01:32 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 01:32 |
| lexxan | very easy setup | 01:33 |
| lexxan | http://www.infobot.org/factpacks/ | 01:33 |
| lexxan | check out those | 01:33 |
| lexxan | Linux.fact | 01:34 |
| lexxan | @load Factoids | 01:42 |
| uhelp | lexxan: The operation succeeded. | 01:42 |
| lexxan | @learn root blah blah blah | 01:43 |
| uhelp | lexxan: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value. | 01:43 |
| lexxan | @learn root as blah blah blah | 01:43 |
| uhelp | lexxan: The operation succeeded. | 01:43 |
| lexxan | @whatis root | 01:43 |
| uhelp | lexxan: 'root' could be blah blah blah | 01:43 |
| lexxan | :( | 01:43 |
| lexxan | I don't like these bots | 01:44 |
| lexxan | / scripts | 01:44 |
| lexxan | @unload Factoids | 01:44 |
| uhelp | lexxan: The operation succeeded. | 01:44 |
| lexxan | @unload Infobot | 01:44 |
| uhelp | lexxan: The operation succeeded. | 01:44 |
| lexxan | I really like this script.. I just wish it had a few more options | 01:47 |
| Burgundavia | which bot is this? | 01:48 |
| lexxan | just the one I have | 01:48 |
| lexxan | with ?? | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | eggdrop? | 01:48 |
| lexxan | ya | 01:48 |
| lexxan | ?? dvd | 01:49 |
| [uhelp] | dvd: To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 01:49 |
| lexxan | I dunno if we can edit each others | 01:49 |
| lexxan | !learn del dvd | 01:49 |
| lexxan | hmm it did work | 01:49 |
| lexxan | !learn add dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 01:49 |
| lexxan | I'm going to see if energy mech has any good ones | 01:50 |
| lexxan | !learn | 01:57 |
| lexxan | !learn dvd To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 01:57 |
| lexxan | ?? dvd | 01:57 |
| [uhelp] | dvd: To setup DVD playing, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 01:57 |
| lexxan | !whoset dvd | 01:58 |
| lexxan | !whoset dvd | 01:58 |
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| dcraven | ** rar | 02:04 |
| [uhelp] | Sorry, no matches for rar on the defenition database. (0.002s) | 02:04 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, typo there | 02:04 |
| dcraven | hehe Yeah. | 02:04 |
| Burgundavia | ?? universe | 02:05 |
| [uhelp] | universe[x] : No defenition found for word. | 02:05 |
| Burgundavia | ?? multiverse | 02:05 |
| [uhelp] | multiverse[x] : No defenition found for word. | 02:05 |
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| dcraven | ?? repository | 02:06 |
| [uhelp] | repository: To add repositories such as multiverse or marillat please see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories -OR- you can use synaptic package manager - Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Readd with the + Add button (note: this method does not enable the marillat repositories) | 02:06 |
| lexxan | ** repo | 02:06 |
| [uhelp] | Found 1 matches. Sorted: repository. (0.001s) | 02:06 |
| lexxan | !learn del repository | 02:07 |
| lexxan | !learn | 02:07 |
| lexxan | !learn add | 02:07 |
| lexxan | !learn add repository To add repositories such as multiverse or marillat please see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories | 02:07 |
| lexxan | !learn add repository You can use synaptic package manager - Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Readd with the + Add button (note: this method does not enable the marillat repositories) | 02:07 |
| lexxan | ?? repository | 02:07 |
| [uhelp] | repository[1] : To add repositories such as multiverse or marillat please see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories | 02:08 |
| Burgundavia | !learn del repository | 02:08 |
| [uhelp] | repository[2] : You can use synaptic package manager - Settings --> Repositories --> Remove all --> Readd with the + Add button (note: this method does not enable the marillat repositories) | 02:08 |
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| lexxan | ah that's cool. | 02:08 |
| Burgundavia | the ubuntuguide is crap for that | 02:08 |
| lexxan | ok | 02:08 |
| Burgundavia | I am looking for a good wiki page for it | 02:08 |
| dcraven | !learn add unrar To unrar files, install the "unrar-nonfree" package located in the multiverse Ubuntu repository. | 02:08 |
| Burgundavia | dcraven, write access to the bot is limited | 02:10 |
| lexxan | I said he could help earlier | 02:10 |
| dcraven | Burgundavia: Yeah. | 02:10 |
| lexxan | He writes wikis and stuff | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | I dind | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | I have no issues with others having write access | 02:10 |
| lexxan | You guys figure it out lol | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | just mentioning the fact | 02:10 |
| Burgundavia | ?? unrar | 02:10 |
| lexxan | I think i just found a better script | 02:10 |
| [uhelp] | unrar: To unrar files, install the "unrar-nonfree" package located in the multiverse Ubuntu repository. | 02:11 |
| dcraven | lexxan: lol | 02:11 |
| Burgundavia | oh | 02:11 |
| mkde | don't you need the "rar" package too? | 02:11 |
| lexxan | still ?? script but more options | 02:11 |
| dcraven | mkde: I don't believe so. | 02:11 |
| mkde | ok | 02:11 |
| mkde | i haven't tested, i just seem to remember | 02:11 |
| dcraven | mkde: I don't have it. | 02:11 |
| Burgundavia | mkde, unrar-nonfree and unrar conflict | 02:11 |
| dcraven | lexxan: The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is that you cannot edit/change my entries and vice versa. | 02:12 |
| lexxan | It seems to work fine now dcraven | 02:12 |
| mkde | Burgundavia, ah i see, i wasn't aware of the nonfree version | 02:12 |
| dcraven | lexxan: Oh yeah? Cool. | 02:12 |
| Burgundavia | mkde, hmm, nonfree software sucks | 02:13 |
| mkde | i see it now | 02:13 |
| mkde | unrar+rar works for me, but i presume neither are free | 02:13 |
| lexxan | I found a nice one | 02:13 |
| lexxan | it has a lock option too | 02:13 |
| lexxan | nicer* | 02:13 |
| dcraven | Non-free does suck, but apparently the Free version won't unrar files rared with version > 3 or something. | 02:13 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 02:13 |
| === mkde nods | ||
| lexxan | shit it doesn't have a search mode though | 02:13 |
| lexxan | grrrrrrrrrrrr | 02:13 |
| mkde | anyone good with evolution? | 02:13 |
| dcraven | lexxan: What's wrong with the one you have? | 02:14 |
| dcraven | mkde: #ubuntu | 02:14 |
| dcraven | mdke: hahaha | 02:14 |
| mkde | dcraven, grrr | 02:14 |
| mkde | naturally i tried #ubuntu | 02:14 |
| dcraven | mkde: I'm just jerkin' your chain dude. :) | 02:14 |
| mkde | np | 02:14 |
| mkde | so is anyone? | 02:14 |
| lexxan | !learn add test test | 02:16 |
| lexxan | ?? add | 02:16 |
| mkde | ?? test | 02:16 |
| lexxan | ?? test | 02:16 |
| lexxan | ?? add | 02:17 |
| [uhelp] | add[1] : test test | 02:17 |
| Burgundavia | mkde, I really really like your front page | 02:17 |
| mkde | :)))))))))))))))))))) | 02:17 |
| lexxan | !lock add | 02:17 |
| mkde | two really's? | 02:17 |
| lexxan | !unlock add | 02:17 |
| lexxan | !learninfo | 02:18 |
| mkde | lexxan, is there a function for listing all the stuff the bot has, maybe in a PM to the person who calls it? | 02:18 |
| lexxan | !lhelp | 02:18 |
| lexxan | I think this one does | 02:18 |
| mkde | !lhelp | 02:18 |
| mkde | nowt here | 02:18 |
| lexxan | i gotta go eat tho | 02:19 |
| lexxan | don't change anything right now | 02:19 |
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| === dcraven changes things | ||
| === mkde slaps dcraven | ||
| === dcraven cowers | ||
| mkde | you're a disruptive influence | 02:21 |
| mkde | now go stand in the corner | 02:21 |
| dcraven | heh | 02:21 |
| lexxan | !learnlist | 02:22 |
| lexxan | !learn root blah blah | 02:22 |
| lexxan | !learnlist | 02:22 |
| lexxan | This one is a lil better | 02:22 |
| lexxan | actually | 02:22 |
| lexxan | ** root | 02:22 |
| [uhelp] | Found 2 matches. Sorted: root, sudo. (0.001s) | 02:22 |
| Burgundavia | !learnlist | 02:22 |
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| lexxan | ** root | 02:23 |
| lexxan | Well I'd much rather have search than !learnlist heh | 02:23 |
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| mkde | right i'm going to go to bed again | 02:26 |
| mkde | second time lucky | 02:26 |
| mkde | nite | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | cya | 02:26 |
| lexxan | nice | 02:40 |
| lexxan | my replacement optical mouse just arrived | 02:41 |
| lexxan | thank god | 02:41 |
| lexxan | u can add whatever now | 02:42 |
| lexxan | back to the original | 02:42 |
| lexxan | !learn add mousebackforward To setup your forward and back buttons on your intellimouse see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons | 02:50 |
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| Burgundavia | !learn add firewall A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter, which is in universe | 03:12 |
| Burgundavia | ?? firewall | 03:12 |
| [uhelp] | firewall: A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter, which is in universe | 03:12 |
| lexxan | i love microsoft intellimouses | 03:36 |
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| lexxan | Did the admins reply?? | 03:37 |
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| Burgundavia | no idea | 03:40 |
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| jsgotangco | jeffsch, hey | 03:45 |
| jeffsch | hey | 03:45 |
| jeffsch | ?? firewall | 03:46 |
| [uhelp] | firewall: A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter, | 03:46 |
| jeffsch | ?? asdf | 03:47 |
| [uhelp] | asdf[x] : No defenition found for word. | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | ?? ubuntu | 03:48 |
| [uhelp] | ubuntu[x] : No defenition found for word. | 03:48 |
| jeffsch | ?? emacs | 03:48 |
| [uhelp] | emacs[x] : No defenition found for word. | 03:48 |
| lexxan | gotta add them :P | 03:49 |
| lexxan | What would be really sweet is if you go ?? <string> and it searches the wiki and PMs the links back | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | i just discovered this bot today | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | i just arrived home last night | 04:02 |
| jeffsch | it's a new toy :) | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | how many holes does it have | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 04:03 |
| lexxan | no idea | 04:03 |
| lexxan | it's an eggdrop.. which is secure | 04:03 |
| lexxan | the tcl script for ?? etc .. who knows | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | hehe i was just messing around with the hole thing because its a new "toy" | 04:04 |
| jeffsch | it's new for #ubuntu-doc | 04:05 |
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| jeffsch | jsgotangco: are you going to write up something for us about udu? | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 04:14 |
| jsgotangco | yeah in day i guess i gotta fix some things first i just arrived a few hours ago | 04:14 |
| jeffsch | did you get any insight into what the docteam should be concentrating on now? | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | there are some stuff at the moment on the high priority list that will affect stuff | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | but most of them are from rosetta/launchpad which i have no clue at all | 04:16 |
| jeffsch | any idea what docs should we be doing? | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | my immediate ToDO list show that we need to create a PDF/paper flyer for every release that can be used for conferences | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | also we need to create some docs on best practices about having an ubuntu booth at conferences | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | a webpage or wikipage | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | sort of that | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | then there's stuff about documentation for developers. | 04:20 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... shouldn't the marketing types be doing the conference docs and best practices, etc? | 04:20 |
| jsgotangco | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences | 04:22 |
| lexxan | I'd run a booth.. that'd be cool :P | 04:24 |
| === jeffsch is away: Away at the moment | ||
| === jeffsch is now known as jeff_away | ||
| jsgotangco | im so tired | 04:29 |
| jsgotangco | hmm no changes in svn for a while | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | i should change that | 04:35 |
| lexxan | ** mouse | 04:38 |
| [uhelp] | Found 1 matches. Sorted: mousebackforward. (0.101s) | 04:38 |
| lexxan | ?? mousebackforward | 04:38 |
| [uhelp] | mousebackforward: To setup your forward and back buttons on your intellimouse see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons | 04:38 |
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| charles | YAY NIGGER DOC TEAM!!! | 06:06 |
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| lexxan | charles YAY NIGGER DOC TEAM!!! | 06:07 |
| lexxan | :/ | 06:07 |
| bob2 | jesus | 06:08 |
| lexxan | charles, Don't you have something better to do??? | 06:08 |
| lexxan | =[ | 06:08 |
| === cc wonders if someone would do the obKick | ||
| lexxan | Why are there no ops in here anyway | 06:09 |
| bob2 | because there was an assumption pathetic little children like charles would find something useful to do | 06:09 |
| === lexxan throws a rotten egg at charles | ||
| lexxan | =[ | 06:09 |
| cc | bob2: well, if you've forgotten, i'm a charles too :P | 06:10 |
| bob2 | cc: you're the good charles ;-p | 06:10 |
| bob2 | cc: I mean, using ubuntu and all... | 06:10 |
| cc | bob2: haha. not yet mate, not yet | 06:10 |
| bob2 | 'tis only a matter of time | 06:11 |
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| lexxan | !learn add test test | 06:13 |
| cc | bob2: had to give away my cd to the cab driver | 06:13 |
| lexxan | Ok | 06:14 |
| lexxan | I got the bot definition listings on the web now | 06:14 |
| lexxan | http://68.147.183.138:888/~uhelp/ | 06:14 |
| bob2 | hahaha | 06:15 |
| lexxan | what | 06:15 |
| lexxan | !learn del test | 06:16 |
| BeerDump | lunch bbl | 06:18 |
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| lexxan | thanks. | 06:30 |
| cc | nice, k-line the sucker ;-) | 06:32 |
| cc | bob2: that one's for you: http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2005/05/02/ole-ole-ole-ubuntu-boleh | 06:33 |
| bob2 | hahaha | 06:41 |
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| bob2 | it's only a matter of time | 06:43 |
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| cc | bob2: it is; i have the ISOs sitting here tbh. and ~/ is backed up | 07:05 |
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| mpt | Just for the sake of argument | 07:21 |
| mpt | assume that I got a DSL modem yesterday. | 07:21 |
| mpt | And an installer CD that works on Windows or Mac OS X. | 07:21 |
| mpt | I need to figure out how to use it in Ubuntu. | 07:21 |
| mpt | I can't go on the Internet to find out how to do it, of course, because going on the Internet is what I need help with. | 07:22 |
| mpt | So I look in the Ubuntu help: | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | hi mpt | 07:22 |
| mpt | It appears to have nothing about connecting to the Internet at all. | 07:23 |
| mpt | hi jsgotangco | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 07:24 |
| lexxan | !learn add marillathoary To quickly add the marillat repository enter this in console - echo deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main| sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list - Now type sudo apt-get update | 07:28 |
| lexxan | ?? marillathoary | 07:28 |
| [uhelp] | marillathoary: To quickly add the marillat repository enter this in console - echo deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main| sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list - Now type sudo apt-get update | 07:28 |
| lexxan | ?? restricted | 07:29 |
| [uhelp] | restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats | 07:29 |
| jiyuu0 | ?? | 07:29 |
| [uhelp] | ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] | 07:29 |
| jiyuu0 | lexxan, how to see the list of ?? | 07:30 |
| lexxan | !learn add repository To add repositories please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/ | 07:30 |
| lexxan | d/sn lexxan | 07:30 |
| lexxan | oops | 07:30 |
| lexxan | http://68.147.183.138:888/~uhelp/ | 07:30 |
| lexxan | the .dat file.. | 07:30 |
| lexxan | shit I don't think that's working right | 07:31 |
| lexxan | hmm it is actually n/m | 07:32 |
| lexxan | cept my damn browser has it cached | 07:33 |
| lexxan | i guess wget works :P | 07:33 |
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| lexxan | !learn add danko The channel clown | 07:46 |
| lexxan | !learn del danko | 07:49 |
| lexxan | !learn add sdparm Check out - http://sg.torque.net/sg/ | 07:50 |
| lexxan | !learn del sdparm | 07:51 |
| lexxan | !learn add sdparm Check out - http://sg.torque.net/sg/sdparm.html | 07:51 |
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| jsgotangco | hi froud | 07:58 |
| froud | hi | 07:58 |
| froud | you back from UDU? | 07:59 |
| lexxan | !learn add ubuntucd To get Ubuntu mailed to you on CD see - http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i just arrived last night | 08:01 |
| froud | got a bad dose of Jet lag I guess | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | heh no...sydney is just 8 hours away | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | just tired | 08:03 |
| froud | OK, every time I go to the AU, the jet lag kills me | 08:04 |
| Burgundavia | lexxan, | 08:04 |
| Burgundavia | ?? shipit | 08:04 |
| [uhelp] | shipit: You will be contacted before any Ubuntu CD's ordered through Shipit are shipped | 08:04 |
| lexxan | ah | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | they can both exist | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | as they actual tell different info | 08:05 |
| lexxan | ya | 08:06 |
| lexxan | ** shipit | 08:06 |
| [uhelp] | Found 2 matches. Sorted: shipit, ubuntucd. (0.002s) | 08:06 |
| froud | you guys having fun are you? | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | froud, the bot is fun | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | fast and easy to work with | 08:08 |
| froud | cool, so long as you are having fun | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | also working on starting a Ubuntu in Inuktitut proposal | 08:09 |
| froud | :-) | 08:09 |
| lexxan | Something to do while I wait for work to come up =] | 08:09 |
| froud | Hows about you guys hacking the User Manual or the FAQ Guide? | 08:09 |
| lexxan | ?? packages | 08:09 |
| [uhelp] | packages[x] : No defenition found for word. | 08:09 |
| lexxan | ** apt | 08:09 |
| [uhelp] | Found 5 matches. Sorted: apt, is, java, marillathoary, synaptic. (0.003s) | 08:09 |
| lexxan | ?? is | 08:09 |
| [uhelp] | is: in universe. sudo apt-get install firestarter | 08:09 |
| lexxan | haha | 08:10 |
| lexxan | something is borked | 08:10 |
| lexxan | !learn del is | 08:10 |
| lexxan | ?? firestart | 08:10 |
| lexxan | er | 08:10 |
| [uhelp] | firestart[x] : No defenition found for word. | 08:10 |
| lexxan | ?? firestarter | 08:10 |
| [uhelp] | firestarter[x] : No defenition found for word. | 08:10 |
| lexxan | hrm | 08:10 |
| lexxan | ?? firewall | 08:10 |
| [uhelp] | firewall: A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter, | 08:10 |
| lexxan | !learn del firewall | 08:11 |
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| lexxan | !learn add firewall A nice gui to configure a firewall is Firestarter which is in the universe repository. | 08:11 |
| lexxan | Burgundavia, Did you see the link to get the file for all the definitions? | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | yes I did | 08:12 |
| lexxan | ah ok. | 08:13 |
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| froud | tele-commuting or telecommuting? | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | the 2nd for NA | 08:17 |
| froud | NA? | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | north america | 08:18 |
| froud | :-) | 08:19 |
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| jeffsch | if you had to choose one doc, and one doc only, that we would release with Breezy, which would it be? | 08:26 |
| froud | User Guide | 08:27 |
| bob2 | the wiki | 08:27 |
| froud | bob2 wiki sucks and cant be easily packaged | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | user guide is our best bet | 08:27 |
| bob2 | the ubuntu guide has crack in it | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | and have the wiki extend to what the user guide can't when its frozen | 08:27 |
| bob2 | like telling people to use marillat repositories | 08:28 |
| bob2 | and mentioning the broken broken backports | 08:28 |
| jeffsch | User Guide is different from ubuntu guide | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | froud, won't that jiy0u whats his name delete those stuff | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | because ubuntuguide.org is getting so associated with ubuntu itself | 08:28 |
| froud | we want ubuntuguide in svn, he has agreed and Burgundavia is already porting th enew version to it | 08:29 |
| froud | bob2: I dont understand | 08:30 |
| bob2 | hm? | 08:30 |
| froud | crack, marillat repositories, broken broken backports | 08:31 |
| froud | what doe sthat mean | 08:31 |
| Burgundavia | marillat repos for nonfree stuff | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | backports are run by the forums crew | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | backports just screw up when upgrading | 08:32 |
| bob2 | ubuntuguide encourages people to use Christian Marillat's repositories | 08:32 |
| bob2 | instead of multiverse | 08:32 |
| bob2 | and mentions the backports project, which produce terribly broken packages | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | I had some good interactions with jdogson of the forums | 08:32 |
| froud | OK now I undersatnd | 08:32 |
| bob2 | which have already broken upgrades for people | 08:32 |
| froud | yes, we have problems with this doc | 08:32 |
| froud | which is why we want it in svn | 08:33 |
| froud | at present it is closed source to us | 08:33 |
| froud | but it seems we cannot get people to actually agree to get rid of it and swork in one place, namely svn | 08:33 |
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| Burgundavia | bob2, what do you recommend for libdvdcss2? | 08:34 |
| jeffsch | how much overlap is there between User Guide and ubuntuguide? | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | and w32codecs? | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, some | 08:34 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: someone putting it somewhere sane | 08:34 |
| bob2 | w32codecs can't be distributed by anyone | 08:34 |
| froud | jeffsch: ubuntuguide is faq | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, is there an ubuntu plan? | 08:34 |
| bob2 | I think it's kinda dodgy to even be mentioning it | 08:34 |
| bob2 | ubuntu can't touch all that crap | 08:34 |
| bob2 | no one can, but some people choose to ignore the jeoperdy tthey put themselves in | 08:35 |
| froud | bob2: no, but people wnat them | 08:35 |
| bob2 | people want lots of things | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | people need to play this stuff | 08:35 |
| lexxan | Well how else are you going to use linux as a desktop.. you need codecs | 08:35 |
| lexxan | heh | 08:35 |
| bob2 | "need" | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | and totem-gstreamer is completely borked | 08:35 |
| bob2 | dudes | 08:35 |
| lexxan | Well if I can't have the w32codecs.. I'm using windowsxp | 08:35 |
| bob2 | they only time you get files in those formats is when you're downloading them off bittorent already | 08:35 |
| jeffsch | froud: so info is similar, but format is different | 08:35 |
| froud | com eto xmms | 08:35 |
| bob2 | lexxan: you can do whatever you want | 08:35 |
| froud | faq is terse | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, what about all the crap on the web? | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | and playing dvds? | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | I understand your position but understand ours | 08:36 |
| jeffsch | format is different, and audience is different | 08:36 |
| bob2 | playing dvds is reasonable, and I'm sure someone else will host libdvdcss | 08:36 |
| bob2 | crimsun was, iirc | 08:36 |
| === froud is really not in the mood for chewing the same cud again | ||
| === jsgotangco agrees with bob2 | ||
| === froud is now known as froud-away | ||
| jeffsch | froud: I'm just trying to clarify for myself. I have no argument with desire for the two docs | 08:39 |
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| jsgotangco | well for sure the restricted formats thing is so touchy but its two sides of the coin | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | in hoary totem-gstreamer is borked | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | plain and simple | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | as it was in warty | 08:40 |
| bob2 | "borked"? | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | even with gstreamer-ffmpeg, it simply won't play most non-free codecs | 08:40 |
| jsgotangco | who's problem is it gnome or ubuntu? | 08:40 |
| bob2 | you mean "doesn't play proprietary formats that Ubuntu is not permitted to support by law"? | 08:40 |
| Burgundavia | things that totem-xine works fine with | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | which places us in a very interesting position | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | as we want to produce authoritative docs | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | but cannot advocate breaking the law | 08:41 |
| bob2 | refer them somewhere else | 08:41 |
| jsgotangco | just put that its beyond the scope of the document plain and simple | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | but for me, it boils down to this: If we do not produce good docs that produce a *usable* desktop then things like ubuntuguide.org will still exist | 08:42 |
| bob2 | usable != supporting random crap people download of kazaa | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | I am not talking about random crap off of kazaa | 08:42 |
| Burgundavia | I am talking movie trailers | 08:43 |
| Burgundavia | multimedia sucks on legal linux | 08:43 |
| bob2 | yes | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | its the hard truth | 08:43 |
| bob2 | that's a problem with the legal systems of most countries | 08:43 |
| bob2 | I think more people than you realise don't care, tho | 08:43 |
| bob2 | e.g. the million linux machines sun deployed in china don't care if they can play movie trailers | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | What people want is a usable system | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | that includes multimedia | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | question is how broad is that audience | 08:44 |
| bob2 | Burgundavia: dude | 08:44 |
| jsgotangco | for sure, its not "all" | 08:44 |
| bob2 | you're making statements without research | 08:44 |
| bob2 | which is silly | 08:44 |
| bob2 | yes, some people care. maybe lots of people. but not all. | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, I spend a lot of time in #ubuntu | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | I talk to peple | 08:44 |
| Burgundavia | most users of computers view movie files | 08:45 |
| bob2 | me too | 08:45 |
| bob2 | people come to #ubuntu when they have problems | 08:45 |
| bob2 | the vast vast majority of users do not come there | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | I think you would be hard pressed to find a linux machine out there, used as a desktop machine, that cannot play .mov, etc. | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | which means they probably broke the law to do it | 08:46 |
| bob2 | mine can't | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | sorry bob2, but I think you are almost alone in that | 08:47 |
| bob2 | as you kep saying, based on your "feel" of the world | 08:47 |
| bob2 | I think you'd be surprised | 08:47 |
| bob2 | but this is silly, just stop making assumptions | 08:47 |
| lexxan | Well right now.. I can't get my vcd i downloaded to play without burning | 08:47 |
| jsgotangco | thorapeautic went to the conference and discussed the very same things but in reality, we cant just do most of that stuff | 08:47 |
| lexxan | that is damn annoying. | 08:47 |
| bob2 | it's worth documenting, my only concern is whether it should be in an official documentation already | 08:47 |
| bob2 | jsgotangco: I know, I talked to him there about it | 08:48 |
| jsgotangco | bob2, me too, we talked first before he found you | 08:48 |
| bob2 | ah | 08:48 |
| Burgundavia | bob2, are there real legal concerns for canonical about documenting it? | 08:48 |
| bob2 | I don't know | 08:49 |
| jsgotangco | unless canonical licenses them i guess | 08:49 |
| Burgundavia | if there are no legal concerns about ubuntu docs mentioning how to do it, then they should mention it | 08:50 |
| Burgundavia | I suspect that it would fall under the fact that while the book can tell you how to break into a house, it doesn't do it, and is therefor legal | 08:50 |
| bob2 | on the other hand, it's illegal to possess lockpicking tools in many places | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | true | 08:51 |
| bob2 | and it's illegal to document how atm's work | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | but I would put the lockpicking tools under the same category as the person who shares out the w32codecs, not he person who documents how to use them | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | we are not a bank | 08:52 |
| bob2 | indeed | 08:52 |
| bob2 | and you're not a book about breaking into houses | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | ok then, taht being established, what do we realistically recommend about nonfree crap | 08:53 |
| jsgotangco | that its not part of the scope | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | yes it is | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | we are the ubuntu documentation team | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | we document how to use ubuntu | 08:54 |
| jsgotangco | we dont support it in the first place | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | full stop | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | we explain and inform | 08:54 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, being that we still need a scope | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | we do | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | "we document how to use ubuntu" | 08:54 |
| bob2 | hm, I don't see any discussion of this on the list | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | that's too general we don't have "how to use XP" in the first place | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | it has not been an issue | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | we know its non free and that's our limit | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | why try to extend | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | unless there is a legal threat to canonical, there is reason we cannot document how to add this stuff | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | we just need to also explain the risks | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | we can just say that but i dont think its good to point what to do | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, say again, I don't understand | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | we know the legal stuff we just have to say its not legal on our product but we don't say where they have to go to get it | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | if we don't say where to get it, people will continue to use cracked stuff like ubuntuguide.org | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | where the damage is far far worse | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | we can probably buy ubuntuguide.org name | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | that is not the issue | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | but that would be a vicious cycle | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | d00d | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | people install crap | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | its their choice | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | the issue that we must provide one stop shopping for docs | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | people install crap | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | I don't call video codecs crap | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | I call them pragmaticallly useful | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | even decidedly nonfree and legally dicey | 09:01 |
| jsgotangco | its just a term ok the nonfree stuff and backports are an issue ever since | 09:01 |
| Kinnison | Hi | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | Kinnison, hey | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | salut Kinnison | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | did you accept mako's coc? | 09:12 |
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| sladen | Burgundavia: pong | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | hey | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | hi sladen hows it going | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | so you are rewriting the sudo stuff on the wiki | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | I got a crack at RooSudo today | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | do you have a list of pages that need to be worked on, etc? | 10:22 |
| sladen | jsgotangco: busyilly, lemme find this LUG somewhere in Melbourne that starts in half an hour | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | sladen, would you mind email ubuntu-doc about the root thing, so that we can get involved and help you in anyway? | 10:43 |
| jiyuu0 | new version of ubuntu add-on cd is out: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd | 11:04 |
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| mdke | whoa | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 12:05 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 12:05 |
| mdke | there's been a lively debate in here? | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | i still believe in the scope of the document for official documentaiton, not a free for all document | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | things just get screwed up | 12:06 |
| mdke | well i haven't read the whoe debate, but i would tend to agree with what bob2 is saying about those repositories screwing things up | 12:07 |
| mdke | ubuntuguide is so closely associated with Ubuntu now, it is really misleading about the legality/safety of those repositories and the packages they contain | 12:08 |
| jsgotangco | that's not a complicated thing, just remove those right | 12:08 |
| mdke | or perhaps document them better | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | you can't point them where to get those nonfree stuff | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | we can't stop other people from doing something similar to what ubuntuguide.org now has, but we have to keep ourselves to official stuff | 12:10 |
| mdke | the problem is jsgotangco, once a guide acquires that level of importance, it becomes so entwined with ubuntu, and it also acquires certain responsibilities IMO | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | theres also the issue of backports | 12:12 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | id rather not compromise on such stuff i'd rather be blunt and say we can't/don't do/support that stuff | 12:13 |
| mdke | jiyuu0, what is your view on all this? | 12:13 |
| jiyuu0 | mdke, i'm also concern... but not sure what to do | 12:16 |
| mdke | jiyuu0, IMO what needs to be done is that the section on repositories contains a full warning and explanation of what each repository does, and then the main document, instead of instructing users to add all repositories automatically, informs them of which repository is necessary for the relevant package | 12:17 |
| mdke | personally, i added and then removed marillat for libdvdcss2, and that works fine for me. if i were writing the doc, that would be what i'd advise | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:19 |
| mdke | but an important question is also method: is the doc to be written by one person, or is it to be opened up to the documentation team | 12:19 |
| jsgotangco | anything that is out of order is of personal view of the writer and does not reflect the view of the docteam or ubuntu in general | 12:20 |
| jiyuu0 | at the general notes... i've stated | 12:24 |
| jiyuu0 | This is an Unofficial Ubuntu 5.04 Starter Guide. It is not associated with Ubuntu and Canonical Ltd. | 12:24 |
| mdke | sure, but the popularity of the site has rather outweighed that statement now | 12:25 |
| jiyuu0 | about the repository... i'm still thinkin how to modify it... cause w32codec, transcode uses it too | 12:25 |
| jiyuu0 | mdke, not sure that's a good news or not :) | 12:25 |
| jiyuu0 | it started as a personal documentation | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | nobody reads that stuff people just pull whatever they want so I would rather have them all removed | 12:25 |
| jiyuu0 | that's what i think of too... that's why... ppl missed this line often | 12:26 |
| jiyuu0 | How to add extra repositories? | 12:26 |
| jiyuu0 | they just go direct and apt-get install | 12:27 |
| jiyuu0 | wif that... sure there's a prob | 12:27 |
| jsgotangco | im going to take a short nap | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | im still to tired | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 12:28 |
| mdke | jiyuu0, yes saying "read How to add extra repositories" does not necessarily tell the user to add them. that's why I'd prefer a method which refers to the individual repository required for a package | 12:30 |
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| mdke | jiyuu0, you want me to be clearer? | 12:31 |
| jiyuu0 | i understand... only thinkin how to put it in that way | 12:32 |
| mdke | oh right | 12:32 |
| jiyuu0 | afraid might be confusing | 12:32 |
| mdke | yeah its a big job | 12:32 |
| jiyuu0 | true | 12:32 |
| mdke | jiyuu0, perhaps write to the docteam list and see what people think? | 12:34 |
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| jiyuu0 | not sound good... | 12:38 |
| mdke | my technique is to add marillat and then comment it out | 12:40 |
| jiyuu0 | i've tried it previously... for mplayer | 12:41 |
| jiyuu0 | that technique | 12:41 |
| jiyuu0 | till found out apt-get -t will do the trick | 12:41 |
| jiyuu0 | so does transcode | 12:41 |
| mdke | jiyuu0, no the technique you used for mplayer is different | 12:42 |
| mdke | that was to remove marillat only while installing mplayer | 12:42 |
| jiyuu0 | oh.. the other way | 12:42 |
| jiyuu0 | add when needed | 12:42 |
| mdke | my technique is to remove it at all times, except when installing what is absolutely needed | 12:42 |
| mdke | but in an ideal world, libdvdcss2 would be in marillat i guess | 12:43 |
| mdke | *cough* | 01:00 |
| mdke | multiverse i mean | 01:00 |
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| kosmic_youth | hello | 05:00 |
| mdke | hi there | 05:00 |
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| mdke | yo | 05:01 |
| kosmic_youth | I have a small problem with launchpad, whenever I click on translate, launchpad gives me a error -> A system error occurred. | 05:01 |
| mdke | kosmic_youth, exactly what do you do | 05:01 |
| jalrnc | mdke: just as a side note... I seem to be able to translate fine... with no error... | 05:02 |
| mdke | jalrnc, hi | 05:02 |
| mdke | jalrnc, kosmic_youth, i had a problem yesterday: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/528 | 05:03 |
| kosmic_youth | first i login then I select what i want to translate (in this case i select Quickguide (portuguese)) and when i click with gives me the -> System error occurred | 05:03 |
| mdke | see if it is the same, and if not, file another bug | 05:03 |
| kosmic_youth | ok i will give it a look | 05:03 |
| kosmic_youth | thank | 05:03 |
| mdke | kosmic_youth, also you can try #launchpad | 05:03 |
| jalrnc | mdke: I get the same! | 05:04 |
| jalrnc | mdke: I have no problem if I select "all items" though, instead of "untranslated items" | 05:04 |
| mdke | jalrnc, ditto | 05:04 |
| mdke | kosmic_youth, also, if no one replies, try mailing rosetta-users@ | 05:05 |
| kosmic_youth | ok | 05:06 |
| mdke | best thing is to file a bug tho | 05:06 |
| jalrnc | mdke: it may be related to yours, as I bet he has "unstranslated items" being selected by default, instead of "all items" | 05:07 |
| mdke | is he in the pt group? | 05:07 |
| jalrnc | mdke: yep | 05:07 |
| mdke | possibly | 05:07 |
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| mdke | afk | 05:17 |
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| mdke | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860 | 05:44 |
| mdke | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww | 05:44 |
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| lexxan | ?? grub | 05:57 |
| [uhelp] | grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | 05:57 |
| lexxan | !learn del grub | 05:57 |
| lexxan | !learn add grub Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | 05:58 |
| lexxan | !learn ins grub http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 05:58 |
| lexxan | !learn ins grub 2 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 05:58 |
| lexxan | ?? grub | 05:58 |
| [uhelp] | grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | 05:58 |
| lexxan | ?? grub 2 | 05:58 |
| [uhelp] | Hey lexxan, i've already told #ubuntu-doc about "grub"... no need to repeat (i think) | 05:58 |
| lexxan | hm | 05:58 |
| lexxan | !learn ins grub 1 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 05:59 |
| lexxan | ?? gru | 05:59 |
| lexxan | ?? grub | 05:59 |
| [uhelp] | gru[x] : No defenition found for word. | 05:59 |
| [uhelp] | grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 05:59 |
| lexxan | !learn ins grub 2 http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 05:59 |
| lexxan | ?? grub | 05:59 |
| [uhelp] | grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 05:59 |
| lexxan | hmm | 05:59 |
| lexxan | !learn del grub | 05:59 |
| lexxan | !learn add grub Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | Official Site - Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply try | 06:00 |
| lexxan | ing to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | 06:00 |
| lexxan | ack | 06:00 |
| lexxan | !learn del grub | 06:00 |
| lexxan | !learn add grub http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst | Official Site - http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html | 06:00 |
| lexxan | ?? | 06:01 |
| [uhelp] | ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] | 06:01 |
| lexxan | ?? rep | 06:01 |
| [uhelp] | rep[x] : No defenition found for word. | 06:01 |
| lexxan | !learn rep | 06:01 |
| lexxan | Can anyone here program php? | 06:03 |
| sladen | lexxan: lots of people, what are you trying to do? | 06:32 |
| lexxan | Well | 06:33 |
| lexxan | The bot is running and I have its .dat file on the web | 06:33 |
| lexxan | If you could goto a php link and it would just search the file (its a text file) | 06:33 |
| lexxan | and display results | 06:33 |
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