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Unfrgivenhey ogra :)01:16
ajmitch_morning Unfrgiven01:21
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tsenghi01:28
Unfrgivenmorning ajmitch and tseng01:37
Unfrgivenhow are we today?01:38
tsengtired.01:38
Unfrgivenhas anyone had a chance to review the packages i made by any chance? :)01:38
tsengsurely not01:38
Unfrgiventseng: did you work today?01:38
tsengright now im listening to my roomate tell me about his "fuck friend"01:38
tsengso01:38
tsengs/listening/tuning out01:38
Unfrgivenhehe01:38
tsengoh and building muine pre201:39
Burgundavialovely01:39
Unfrgiventseng: you managed to get quite a wrap from one of the bloggers on planet gentoo01:39
Unfrgivenfor your muine work01:39
tsengUnfrgiven: oh did I?01:39
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Unfrgiventseng: someone called Joe McCann01:40
tsengoh01:40
tsenghe's my boy01:40
Unfrgivenwow you seemed quite young to have a child...01:40
Unfrgiven;)01:40
ajmitch_hey tseng01:41
tsenghi01:41
tsengUnfrgiven: hah, he called me "the awesome"01:41
Unfrgiventseng: :)01:42
tsengUnfrgiven: i used to work on gentoo01:43
Unfrgiventseng: yeah i got that impression... why'd you stop?01:43
ajmitch_tseng: btw what mono crack do I still need to upload?01:43
tsengUnfrgiven: because their toolchain and alot of devs got more crackful than we're known for01:43
tsengajmitch_: um01:43
tsengajmitch_: a bunch01:44
ajmitch_gecko-sharp2, monodoc, gtk-sharp - what else do you need done?01:44
ajmitch_and a fixed mono01:44
Unfrgiventseng: i was thinking though that the ebuild shell concept sounds pretty neat... should help writing those complex ebuilds01:45
tsengUnfrgiven: its a fun system, just crappy QA and politics01:45
Unfrgivenajmitch_: wasnt there a list from the mono Bof?01:45
tsengi liked working on it when it was smaller01:45
tsengit was about the same size of ubuntu, very new and friendly community01:45
tsengoh well01:45
Unfrgiveni must say that im VERY impressed with the ubuntu community01:46
Unfrgiveni do hope it stays that way01:46
tsengindeed01:46
tsengajmitch_: yeah those01:46
tsengajmitch_: um01:46
tsengwhatever is in my ~/mono is ready atm01:47
tsengi updated it last night01:47
tsengcould you please do those?01:47
Unfrgivenbtw, did you guys receive signed keys in your email from lamont jones and bjorn tillenius? i cant seem to import them01:47
tsengive not touched gpg yet01:47
tsengbut i have them in my inbox01:47
Unfrgiveni managed to import most of them except ones from those two...01:49
ajmitch_sure, I'll grab those, sign & upload01:52
tsengrock on01:52
tsengi can do the rest after that01:52
ajmitch_Unfrgiven: I could import from bjornT01:53
tsenghm01:54
tsengi cant build gtkspell01:54
ajmitch_tseng: gtk-sharp-unstable is built as a native package01:55
tsengum01:55
tsengyeah01:56
tsengmeebey fucked that up in svn i think01:56
tsengit imported the sources01:56
tsengajmitch_: you see what i mean? or im crack01:59
Unfrgivenajmitch_: hmmm yeah its working now... i musta botched somethin ealierl02:01
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Unfrgivenaight guys im gonna get back to work... ill catch up with y'all later02:07
tsengbye.02:12
tsengajmitch_: howd that go?02:33
Nafallonight all!02:38
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ajmitch_morning AndyFitz02:51
ajmitch_tseng: just uploading them now02:51
AndyFitzmorning ajmitch02:51
AndyFitzhow you going mate ?02:51
ajmitch_I'm managing alright02:52
ajmitch_how about you?02:52
AndyFitzyeah really well. came down from the sugar high yesterday lol  damn those mentos02:52
ajmitch_yeah they got a bit addictive02:53
AndyFitzits funny how they picked up on what people were drinking more of .    by the end of the week they stocked almost only redbull pepsi and water02:56
ajmitch_and I'm glad of that02:57
ajmitch_how's the art coming along?02:57
AndyFitzyeah good,  I'm pretty happy with the style,    I've changed the folders back to the normal rotation since this screenshot http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/screenshot-1.png02:58
AndyFitzright now it looks ugly without using a custom clearlooks gtkrc    ( because I'm using 22x22 instead of 24x24 )02:59
ajmitch_still trying to load, it's great to be back in NZ :)03:00
AndyFitzbut jeff is writing a script to increase the margin around the borders to 24x24  so we can test it at both sizes03:00
ajmitch_looks good03:01
AndyFitzthanks :-)  after doing a few more icons I'll write a short styleguide and start visiting the uni's asking for help from keen illustrators03:05
tsengAndyFitz: rock out03:08
tsengajmitch_: rock out03:09
=== ajmitch_ hasn't done gtk-sharp2-unstable just yet. is there an upstream tarball that can be used with it?
tsengyes03:10
tsenghttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4024003:11
ajmitchwhat changes are there from the version in debian (1.9.3-1)?03:13
tsengnone03:14
ajmitchI'll grab hat then03:14
ajmitchuploaded03:21
tsengrock out dude03:25
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ajmitchhi bddebian03:28
bddebianHeya ajmitch!  What's happening?03:28
ajmitchhopefully it'll hit the changes list real soon now03:29
ajmitchbddebian: just uploading some packages in my lunch break03:29
bddebianNice03:29
ajmitch& fixing some of my own03:29
bddebianDamnit, I need to do some DNS queries but nslookup keeps getting "query refused".. :-(03:33
ajmitchlunch break over, bbl03:41
bddebianLater d00d03:41
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=== ajmitch_ hasn't seen the packages on the changes list yet.. got any rejection letters, tseng ?
tsengum04:01
tsengyes04:01
tsengSubject: gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW04:01
ajmitch_as expected04:01
tsengSubject: gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1_source.changes REJECTED04:01
tsengRejected: The key (0x8A5A6772D0DC9743) used to sign gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).04:01
ajmitch_crap04:01
tsengfor the rest04:01
tsengand04:02
ajmitch_I was sure I re-signed that04:02
tsenggecko-sharp still thinks its NEW04:02
tsenger04:02
tsengexperimental04:02
tsengthats my bad04:02
ajmitch_gecko-sharp has breezy in the changes file04:02
ajmitch_gecko-sharp2 needs fixed, will check04:03
bddebianFUCKING THINKPAD...04:03
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tsengso lamonts key stuff04:23
tsengisnt actually your encrypted key, its text04:23
ajmitch_yeah, and he says that the key is attached04:23
tsengyes04:23
ajmitch_when it's not04:23
tsengright.04:23
ajmitch_bug him in -devel04:23
ajmitch_gecko-sharp2 fixed up & ready for upload04:24
tsengthe rest say04:24
tsengbad sign and bad md504:24
ajmitch_that's crack04:24
tsengyes04:24
ajmitch_I just verified the signature on them04:24
tsengwell, i think it is checking the ones from the other day04:24
tsengin incoming04:24
tsengthat got rejected?04:24
tsengmaybe.04:25
ajmitch_could do04:25
ajmitch_tseng: btw, seen the latest mail on the u-hardened list?04:27
tsengno04:27
tsengmdz?04:28
ajmitch_trulux is unhappy with the UDU results04:28
tsengno shit04:28
tsengwhat a toolbat04:28
tsenguh dude04:29
tritiumajmitch_: are you referring to his first email, or the latest one he sent a few hours ago?04:32
tsengboth are pretty crackful04:32
tritiumI wouldn't know...04:33
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ajmitch_mostly the first one, I haven't checked since04:35
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tritiumI'm not familiar with the work being done, but I hope the issues, whatever they are, can be resolved.04:40
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dholbachmorning04:42
tritiumHi Daniel :)04:43
ajmitch_hey dholbach04:43
dholbachhey you two04:43
ajmitch_how was your trip?04:43
dholbachi could have done with a bit more of sleep, but it was ok04:44
schweebwassup dholbach04:44
dholbachtoday i woke up at 04:00, but i think there's nothing wrong, with getting up early, right? ;-)04:44
dholbachhow are you three guys?04:44
schweebSolaris = pain04:44
schweebthat's how I am :)04:44
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schweebI miss working in Linux all day long04:45
=== schweeb pouts
tritiumdissertation = pain04:46
dholbachtritium: next 12 weeks will be thesis weeks, so i will share your pain04:46
schweebheh04:46
tritiumdholbach: yes, same for me.  I defend on July 22.  You?04:46
schweebI managed to skip out of my thesis, hehe04:46
schweebwas just about time to start work on it04:47
tritiumhow'd you manage that?04:47
dholbachtritium: i'll have 12 weeks04:47
schweebtritium: put school on hold for my new job04:47
tritiumdholbach: it'll be nice being in the same boat :)04:47
tritiumschweeb: Ah, gotcha.04:47
schweebhopefully, I can figure out how to balance school and work eventually... kinda wanna get my degree04:48
tritiumschweeb: go for it!04:49
schweebschool and I don't get along too well though :)04:49
tritiumMe too.  We're about to break up.04:50
=== ajmitch_ checks the MOTUTodo page for something to do
tsenguh05:10
tsengwow05:10
dholbachhey tseng05:10
ajmitch_?05:10
tsenghi dholbach05:10
tsengajmitch_: declaration quote05:10
tsengajmitch_: im writing a reply btw, this is unacceptable to me05:11
jabraanyone know if there is any sites that can help someone with warning from lintian06:03
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charlesyay nigger masters of the universe!!!!!06:04
charlesniggers are ubuntu!06:04
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schweebnice work, dholbach06:05
ajmitch_thanks daniel06:05
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tseng:(06:07
crimsunthey always troll the good distros, heh06:08
jabraanyone know where I could find something about warnings I am getting from lintian06:13
schweebthe Debian Policy Manual06:14
schweebgenerally06:14
crimsun1) please use lintian -v; 2) http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-checkit.en.html#s-lintians06:14
crimsunhttp://lintian.debian.org/ is also a good web site06:15
jabracool thanks06:15
jabraprobably man lintian and rtfm06:16
jabraheh06:16
jabraah -i is great06:22
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jabrais anyone around to review a new package?06:56
jabradholbach: are you around?06:57
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dholbachjabra: yes, i am around07:02
jabraok do you have a few minutes to review this package07:03
dholbachnot atm07:04
dholbachbut later07:04
jabraok should I just put the link on the wiki07:04
dholbachthat would be perfect07:05
jabrao ok cool07:05
jabraone thing that I noted on the site that there is a shell script that is included that doesn't have man pages07:05
jabraI hope that doesn't rule this out as a package07:05
jabrawhat I did was emailed the developer list to see if I could get a release of the man page early since it will be included in the next version07:07
dholbachyou could write one yourself, i always use the manpage.xml template copied by dh_make07:09
jabraumm thinking pod2man?07:11
jabradoes it have to have a man page?07:12
dholbachif the user is supposed to use it07:12
jabraso then I have to write one07:12
dholbachjust briefly describing what it is for07:12
jabraok07:13
jabrait can be brief but it does need to exist07:13
jabraok I will07:13
dholbachthe .xml file is readable and with a fancy   xsltproc   command you can convert it to a manpage07:13
jabrais pod2man ok07:13
dholbach(you can read it all in comments in the manpage.xml file)07:13
jabrathat is wat I have used07:13
dholbachnever used it07:13
dholbachif it works for you, use it :-)07:14
jabraprobably the same thing07:14
jabrak07:14
dholbachyes... probably :-)07:14
jabraperl module to convert basic format similiar to html to a man page07:14
dholbachah ok07:15
jabraseperate issue if I wanta package something that is just a shell script with a man page how could I do that since it isn't compiled07:16
womblejabra: Have the package build scripts just copy the script into the appropriate place in the package build dir07:28
jabraright where would I set that dir since there is no makefile07:29
womblejabra: Your debian/rules file should have something in it to create either a debian/tmp or debian/<pkg> directory, and probably relevant dirs inside that (like /usr/bin).  Stick the copy somewhere after that.07:41
jabraok cool07:42
jabrathanks07:42
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dholbachhey Riddell08:14
jabradholbach: almost done with the man page08:15
Riddellhello dholbach08:16
Riddelleveryone back where they belong?08:16
dholbachRiddell: seems to :-)08:16
ajmitchhi Riddell08:23
=== ajmitch is just having fun breaking his box
ajmitchcurrently installing kde 3.4 from breezy :)08:23
crimsunyou might need http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh08:24
ajmitchthanks crimsun08:24
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MithrandirI doubt that ; libtool is a shell script. :)08:26
crimsunthat's why I'm wondering08:26
crimsuns/wonder/boggl/08:26
jabranot sure wat file I should change to add in a man page to build this package it is in the man dir named ra.sh.108:37
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jabra?08:44
jabrals08:45
jabraoops08:45
dholbachhey koke08:45
kokehey!08:47
kokehow was the flight?08:47
dholbachok... but could have done with a bit more of sleep :-)08:48
koke:d08:49
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dholbachhow was yours?08:50
jabradholbach: ok got it with a new man page08:50
dholbachexcellent!08:52
jabraya08:52
jabraI want this to be done08:52
jabracan ya tell?08:52
jabraI will put it on the wiki with a url08:53
kokedholbach: long enough :D08:53
jabrawhenever you have sometime I would appreciate it if you review it08:53
dholbachjabra: i can absolutely understand that you're eager to get it in ASAP, but i must ask you to be patient08:54
jabrano problem08:54
dholbachok, even better08:54
ajmitchwe're still recovering from the week :)08:55
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jabraya I heard you guys had the first MOTU meeting like march 3rd?08:55
ajmitch_some of us just met in sydney08:56
jabrathis weekend?08:56
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jabradamn08:57
kokelamont: there was no key in your "keysigning result" message08:59
lamontkoke: you and several others.  otoh, several _did_ have the sig... sigh.08:59
=== lamont needs to argue with the script, and maybe even send out another round... sigh.
lamontdoesn't help that I can't read the contents of the messages... :-(09:00
kokehey all, what scripts are you are using?? (it's my first party)09:00
dholbachkoke: i use the one pitti's page09:00
kokedholbach: what page ?? :D09:02
ajmitch_look on the wiki, he put it on the keysigning page iirc09:03
dholbachpiware.de09:04
jabradholbach: thanks for your help09:06
jabraI really appreciate it09:06
jabrathe wiki has be updated09:06
dholbachkoke: http://www.piware.de/tools/signkey.pl09:07
dholbachyou just have to add your keyid into it and your set09:07
dholbachs/your/you're09:07
dholbachjabra: anytime :-)09:07
jabraI will get my key signed tomorrow09:08
dholbachROCK09:08
jabraI have to say you guys make this distro 100 times better than fedora09:09
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jabrasince I have been using redhat distro since 6.209:09
jabraI really think ubuntu is soo much better in all aspects09:09
dholbachjabra: it's great you want to help out09:11
dholbachi think with a big MOTU crew and loads of teams ubuntu we will get even better09:12
p0mDarn, all the python stuff has been fixed allready :)09:12
jabrawell you guys make it easier than fedora for someone to help out09:13
dholbachp0m: the next step will be the zope modules, right ajmitch?09:13
jabra the thing I am going to on next is the wireless tool I have been working on09:14
p0mHmm, I'll have a look into that. Ohh, and hi :)09:14
jabrait joins wireless networks based on a precedence in a config file similair to windows09:14
jabrait is a shell script since I wanted it to be able to run on anything09:14
jabragoing to add in wep and wpa next week after I make a bit more stable09:15
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jabra/s/a/it/g09:15
p0mHmm.09:16
p0mI've eyed up a couple of packages I think I can fix.09:19
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GheRiverores09:21
dholbachp0m: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverCxxTransition :-)09:22
p0mErr?09:22
dholbachyes09:22
p0mThere doesn't seem to be a UniverCxxTransition page09:22
dholbachUniverseCxxTransition09:23
dholbachsorry09:23
=== p0m looks
=== Mithrandir read a "sexx" in there. I must be tired.
dholbachi'll grab another coffee :-)09:25
p0mThat list takes a while to load :)09:25
jabraanyone know if there is a BostonTeam ?09:26
jabradon't see it on the wiki09:26
p0mBoston or Boson?09:26
jabraboston09:26
p0mdholbach: Is it just me, or are these mainly amd64 items?09:27
ajmitchp0m: dholbach has an amd64 :)09:28
p0mAhh.09:28
p0mLucky.09:28
=== ajmitch just ran into some missing python2.4 transitions when crossgrading to breezy from sid
p0mI might go through and check some of the python packages that don't need transitioning.09:29
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chmjmorning09:49
crimsunmorning!09:50
GheRiveromorning09:51
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kokedholbach: I've just signed your key10:03
koketell me if it's all ok and I'll sign the others :D10:03
dholbachkoke: was alright10:07
dholbachcould we agree on a date for an irc meeting with the malone guys10:08
dholbachsomething around may, 11th?10:08
chmjhi dholbach10:08
dholbachhey chmj10:08
chmjdholbach: mind you my time is 9:00 - 17:00 GTM +210:09
kokedholbach: it's ok for me10:09
kokeI'll try to test malone more :D10:09
dholbachwhat do the guys from .us and .au/.nz say?10:10
dholbachi don't mind getting up early10:10
crimsun11th? Hmm. Anytime's good.10:13
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ajmitchrock, gtk-sharp2-unstable acceepted11:35
ograYAY11:36
dholbachNEW mono crack?11:36
ajmitchyeah11:37
=== ogra feels amd64 mono love coming along
ajmitchbeen working on this stuff with tseng since UDU11:37
ajmitchsince his key isn't in the keyring still11:37
ajmitchand I like mono stuff for some reason :)11:38
dholbach:-)11:38
crimsunman, _none_ of the packages I've worked on in the past week have built on amd6411:38
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ajmitchthere's some substantial pain involved here ;)11:38
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=== ajmitch collects more gpg sigs
dholbachdoes malone work for everyone of you? did you all set a "preferred mail adress"?11:54
dholbachcould you please play with it? (open new bugs, re-assign them, ...) and add stuff to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList ?11:54
ajmitchI've set preferred mail, but not played with it much yet11:54
dholbachmalone will be used also for main in 7-8 weeks11:55
ajmitchI've got a pile of bugs to file, I think11:55
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tsengajmitch_: mm we need to start the gnomedb fixing01:27
tsengwhos package is that01:27
tsengohhh01:27
dholbachgnome team :-)01:28
tsengHowever the following packages replace it:01:28
tseng  libgnomedb2-common01:28
tsengjust need to fix build-dep I guess01:28
dholbachtseng: could you tell seb128? i recall him fixing something in the last days01:29
tsengdholbach: no, its in my package01:29
dholbachah ok01:29
tsengill fix it tonight01:29
tsengi need to get to work now01:30
tsengan hour late01:30
tsengstupid lag01:30
=== ajmitch_ has a wonderfully broken box now ;)
dholbachMOTUNewPackages got really full01:32
tseng:(01:32
tsengi am getting security notices from pitti now also01:32
dholbachMOTUToReview as well01:32
ajmitch_we've also got a lot of merging to do - I'm going to write up something to streamline that01:32
tsengi need to build a hoary chroot01:32
ajmitch_hopefully by the end of the week01:33
tsengi might get on from work for a few minutes.. cya01:34
ajmitch_ok, have a good day tseng01:35
\shi have a couple of bugfixed packages left01:41
\shto review and upload01:41
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tritium_Good morning.03:22
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bddebianMorning folks04:01
tritium_good morning bddebian04:01
Nafallomorning :-)04:02
bddebianHello tritium_, Nafallo04:03
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jabra_gmorning05:05
Nafallojabra_, good afternoon :-)05:06
jabra_true05:06
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jabrato get someone to review your package it should be on the MOTUToReview site correct05:39
tritiumyep05:42
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zulheylo07:25
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trukulohello, do you admit guests ? :)07:34
Nafallohi trukulo :-).07:35
trukulohi nafallo07:35
trukuloubuntu-dev is very quiet lastly07:35
trukuloand #ubuntu is... well, always has been very boring07:36
Nafallotrukulo: sometimes :-). then something happens and they discuss away.07:36
trukuloi have one question07:36
trukulospecially to ogra07:37
trukulograveman 0.3.10-1 is in universe07:37
trukulobut this package has bugs, good one in sid es graveman 0.3.10-207:37
trukuloyou will wait to breeze to update it?07:37
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trukulo:)07:45
trukulowell, we have many options, that's the good thing07:45
bur[n] erfor sure07:45
bur[n] ergraveman looks better in xfce ;)07:45
trukuloi ask because im co-mantainer of package in debian07:45
trukuloand talked about this package a lot with oliver, that intend to package at first on universe07:46
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trukulowell, it's just curiosity07:46
bur[n] eri would imagine it would get in universe for breezy unless it's security related07:46
trukuloit's not security07:49
ogratrukulo, then we cant update it for hoary, sorry08:18
trukuloogra: no, don't sorry for it, just asking :)08:18
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hervehouba!08:29
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omglolwho knows how to ssh over https09:15
omgloloh man my friends irc script sucks09:16
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tritiumtseng|work: busy?09:38
tseng|workwell, I cant do much but http09:39
tseng|workI can talk.09:39
tritiumIt's just that trulux called a meeting in #ubuntu-hardened, and I thought you might want to be there if you can.  It's been going on for a while.09:40
tseng|workis it more flamebait?09:40
tritiumNo, just a working meeting.09:41
tseng|workwe seem to be having a misunderstanding about breaking the desktop vs being as secure as possible09:41
tseng|workill come if he invites me.09:42
truluxtseng|work: sorry, I agree with you. I've been trying to break my desktop for being more secure, mostly breaking my CRT screen ir order to avoid undesired viewing of my porn09:43
tseng|workhah :P09:43
truluxtseng|work: I invited all people, feel free to join only if you don't want to feed a personal flame09:43
tseng|worksure.09:43
truluxwe can solve the problem if it's something personal but don't take it to the lists nor the IRC channels, feel free to call me if you want, I'll setup skype for my hot line09:44
tseng|workyeah i thought most of your email was something against me that didnt really come out as strongly on irc before09:45
tseng|workI already responded, no hard feelings here, dropping ssp isnt about you, its about maintainance09:45
truluxtseng|work: also, don't forget that I wanted to work with you since the start, so, it's always better to look beyond the red line, maybe there's something wrong that happened to make things going bad09:45
truluxand well, you know as others do, that Im 'not someone that gets upset for no good reason09:46
tseng|workrock on.09:46
truluxtseng|work: remember: you, as well as others, have rights to propose, suggest and recommend for the RFC, before the spec. is written09:48
hervein case you care, sarge is frozen!10:15
tseng|workhm10:17
herveand planned to be release on may, 30th10:19
herveend of the month, roughly10:19
Nafallowhat I wonder is what the first planned date was ;-)10:20
herveno, let's not kick them10:22
hervewe're part of the same family10:22
Nafalloagreed. but the delay was one of the main reasons I switched all my computers to ubuntu :-).10:23
Nafallono assault intended :-)10:25
herveyeah, I won't react :-)10:26
herveI can understand10:26
hervelike I can understand the debian project suffered10:26
Nafallosame. another reason was all the internal fights that went on all the time.10:27
NafalloI would think many of the problems with sarge won't happen with etch though.10:27
hervethe human problems? hard to say :-)10:30
Nafallohehe. I was thinking about all the other problems with that notation ;-)10:31
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GheRiverores10:40
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hervenight all11:42
tsenghi11:46

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