[01:16] <Unfrgiven> hey ogra :)
[01:21] <ajmitch_> morning Unfrgiven
[01:28] <tseng> hi
[01:37] <Unfrgiven> morning ajmitch and tseng
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> how are we today?
[01:38] <tseng> tired.
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> has anyone had a chance to review the packages i made by any chance? :)
[01:38] <tseng> surely not
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> tseng: did you work today?
[01:38] <tseng> right now im listening to my roomate tell me about his "fuck friend"
[01:38] <tseng> so
[01:38] <tseng> s/listening/tuning out
[01:38] <Unfrgiven> hehe
[01:39] <tseng> oh and building muine pre2
[01:39] <Burgundavia> lovely
[01:39] <Unfrgiven> tseng: you managed to get quite a wrap from one of the bloggers on planet gentoo
[01:39] <Unfrgiven> for your muine work
[01:39] <tseng> Unfrgiven: oh did I?
[01:40] <Unfrgiven> tseng: someone called Joe McCann
[01:40] <tseng> oh
[01:40] <tseng> he's my boy
[01:40] <Unfrgiven> wow you seemed quite young to have a child...
[01:40] <Unfrgiven> ;)
[01:41] <ajmitch_> hey tseng
[01:41] <tseng> hi
[01:41] <tseng> Unfrgiven: hah, he called me "the awesome"
[01:42] <Unfrgiven> tseng: :)
[01:43] <tseng> Unfrgiven: i used to work on gentoo
[01:43] <Unfrgiven> tseng: yeah i got that impression... why'd you stop?
[01:43] <ajmitch_> tseng: btw what mono crack do I still need to upload?
[01:43] <tseng> Unfrgiven: because their toolchain and alot of devs got more crackful than we're known for
[01:43] <tseng> ajmitch_: um
[01:44] <tseng> ajmitch_: a bunch
[01:44] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp2, monodoc, gtk-sharp - what else do you need done?
[01:44] <ajmitch_> and a fixed mono
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> tseng: i was thinking though that the ebuild shell concept sounds pretty neat... should help writing those complex ebuilds
[01:45] <tseng> Unfrgiven: its a fun system, just crappy QA and politics
[01:45] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: wasnt there a list from the mono Bof?
[01:45] <tseng> i liked working on it when it was smaller
[01:45] <tseng> it was about the same size of ubuntu, very new and friendly community
[01:45] <tseng> oh well
[01:46] <Unfrgiven> i must say that im VERY impressed with the ubuntu community
[01:46] <Unfrgiven> i do hope it stays that way
[01:46] <tseng> indeed
[01:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: yeah those
[01:46] <tseng> ajmitch_: um
[01:47] <tseng> whatever is in my ~/mono is ready atm
[01:47] <tseng> i updated it last night
[01:47] <tseng> could you please do those?
[01:47] <Unfrgiven> btw, did you guys receive signed keys in your email from lamont jones and bjorn tillenius? i cant seem to import them
[01:47] <tseng> ive not touched gpg yet
[01:47] <tseng> but i have them in my inbox
[01:49] <Unfrgiven> i managed to import most of them except ones from those two...
[01:52] <ajmitch_> sure, I'll grab those, sign & upload
[01:52] <tseng> rock on
[01:52] <tseng> i can do the rest after that
[01:53] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: I could import from bjornT
[01:54] <tseng> hm
[01:54] <tseng> i cant build gtkspell
[01:55] <ajmitch_> tseng: gtk-sharp-unstable is built as a native package
[01:55] <tseng> um
[01:56] <tseng> yeah
[01:56] <tseng> meebey fucked that up in svn i think
[01:56] <tseng> it imported the sources
[01:59] <tseng> ajmitch_: you see what i mean? or im crack
[02:01] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: hmmm yeah its working now... i musta botched somethin ealierl
[02:07] <Unfrgiven> aight guys im gonna get back to work... ill catch up with y'all later
[02:12] <tseng> bye.
[02:33] <tseng> ajmitch_: howd that go?
[02:38] <Nafallo> night all!
[02:51] <ajmitch_> morning AndyFitz
[02:51] <ajmitch_> tseng: just uploading them now
[02:51] <AndyFitz> morning ajmitch
[02:51] <AndyFitz> how you going mate ?
[02:52] <ajmitch_> I'm managing alright
[02:52] <ajmitch_> how about you?
[02:52] <AndyFitz> yeah really well. came down from the sugar high yesterday lol  damn those mentos
[02:53] <ajmitch_> yeah they got a bit addictive
[02:56] <AndyFitz> its funny how they picked up on what people were drinking more of .    by the end of the week they stocked almost only redbull pepsi and water
[02:57] <ajmitch_> and I'm glad of that
[02:57] <ajmitch_> how's the art coming along?
[02:58] <AndyFitz> yeah good,  I'm pretty happy with the style,    I've changed the folders back to the normal rotation since this screenshot http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/screenshot-1.png
[02:59] <AndyFitz> right now it looks ugly without using a custom clearlooks gtkrc    ( because I'm using 22x22 instead of 24x24 )
[03:00] <ajmitch_> still trying to load, it's great to be back in NZ :)
[03:00] <AndyFitz> but jeff is writing a script to increase the margin around the borders to 24x24  so we can test it at both sizes
[03:01] <ajmitch_> looks good
[03:05] <AndyFitz> thanks :-)  after doing a few more icons I'll write a short styleguide and start visiting the uni's asking for help from keen illustrators
[03:08] <tseng> AndyFitz: rock out
[03:09] <tseng> ajmitch_: rock out
[03:10] <tseng> yes
[03:11] <tseng> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=40240
[03:13] <ajmitch> what changes are there from the version in debian (1.9.3-1)?
[03:14] <tseng> none
[03:14] <ajmitch> I'll grab hat then
[03:21] <ajmitch> uploaded
[03:25] <tseng> rock out dude
[03:28] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch!  What's happening?
[03:29] <ajmitch> hopefully it'll hit the changes list real soon now
[03:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: just uploading some packages in my lunch break
[03:29] <bddebian> Nice
[03:29] <ajmitch> & fixing some of my own
[03:33] <bddebian> Damnit, I need to do some DNS queries but nslookup keeps getting "query refused".. :-(
[03:41] <ajmitch> lunch break over, bbl
[03:41] <bddebian> Later d00d
[04:01] <tseng> um
[04:01] <tseng> yes
[04:01] <tseng> Subject: gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[04:01] <ajmitch_> as expected
[04:01] <tseng> Subject: gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1_source.changes REJECTED
[04:01] <tseng> Rejected: The key (0x8A5A6772D0DC9743) used to sign gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1.dsc wasn't found in the keyring(s).
[04:01] <ajmitch_> crap
[04:01] <tseng> for the rest
[04:02] <tseng> and
[04:02] <ajmitch_> I was sure I re-signed that
[04:02] <tseng> gecko-sharp still thinks its NEW
[04:02] <tseng> er
[04:02] <tseng> experimental
[04:02] <tseng> thats my bad
[04:02] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp has breezy in the changes file
[04:03] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp2 needs fixed, will check
[04:03] <bddebian> FUCKING THINKPAD...
[04:23] <tseng> so lamonts key stuff
[04:23] <tseng> isnt actually your encrypted key, its text
[04:23] <ajmitch_> yeah, and he says that the key is attached
[04:23] <tseng> yes
[04:23] <ajmitch_> when it's not
[04:23] <tseng> right.
[04:23] <ajmitch_> bug him in -devel
[04:24] <ajmitch_> gecko-sharp2 fixed up & ready for upload
[04:24] <tseng> the rest say
[04:24] <tseng> bad sign and bad md5
[04:24] <ajmitch_> that's crack
[04:24] <tseng> yes
[04:24] <ajmitch_> I just verified the signature on them
[04:24] <tseng> well, i think it is checking the ones from the other day
[04:24] <tseng> in incoming
[04:24] <tseng> that got rejected?
[04:25] <tseng> maybe.
[04:25] <ajmitch_> could do
[04:27] <ajmitch_> tseng: btw, seen the latest mail on the u-hardened list?
[04:27] <tseng> no
[04:28] <tseng> mdz?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> trulux is unhappy with the UDU results
[04:28] <tseng> no shit
[04:28] <tseng> what a toolbat
[04:29] <tseng> uh dude
[04:32] <tritium> ajmitch_: are you referring to his first email, or the latest one he sent a few hours ago?
[04:32] <tseng> both are pretty crackful
[04:33] <tritium> I wouldn't know...
[04:35] <ajmitch_> mostly the first one, I haven't checked since
[04:40] <tritium> I'm not familiar with the work being done, but I hope the issues, whatever they are, can be resolved.
[04:42] <dholbach> morning
[04:43] <tritium> Hi Daniel :)
[04:43] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach
[04:43] <dholbach> hey you two
[04:43] <ajmitch_> how was your trip?
[04:44] <dholbach> i could have done with a bit more of sleep, but it was ok
[04:44] <schweeb> wassup dholbach
[04:44] <dholbach> today i woke up at 04:00, but i think there's nothing wrong, with getting up early, right? ;-)
[04:44] <dholbach> how are you three guys?
[04:44] <schweeb> Solaris = pain
[04:44] <schweeb> that's how I am :)
[04:45] <schweeb> I miss working in Linux all day long
[04:46] <tritium> dissertation = pain
[04:46] <dholbach> tritium: next 12 weeks will be thesis weeks, so i will share your pain
[04:46] <schweeb> heh
[04:46] <tritium> dholbach: yes, same for me.  I defend on July 22.  You?
[04:46] <schweeb> I managed to skip out of my thesis, hehe
[04:47] <schweeb> was just about time to start work on it
[04:47] <tritium> how'd you manage that?
[04:47] <dholbach> tritium: i'll have 12 weeks
[04:47] <schweeb> tritium: put school on hold for my new job
[04:47] <tritium> dholbach: it'll be nice being in the same boat :)
[04:47] <tritium> schweeb: Ah, gotcha.
[04:48] <schweeb> hopefully, I can figure out how to balance school and work eventually... kinda wanna get my degree
[04:49] <tritium> schweeb: go for it!
[04:49] <schweeb> school and I don't get along too well though :)
[04:50] <tritium> Me too.  We're about to break up.
[05:10] <tseng> uh
[05:10] <tseng> wow
[05:10] <dholbach> hey tseng
[05:10] <ajmitch_> ?
[05:10] <tseng> hi dholbach
[05:10] <tseng> ajmitch_: declaration quote
[05:11] <tseng> ajmitch_: im writing a reply btw, this is unacceptable to me
[06:03] <jabra> anyone know if there is any sites that can help someone with warning from lintian
[06:04] <charles> yay nigger masters of the universe!!!!!
[06:04] <charles> niggers are ubuntu!
[06:05] <schweeb> nice work, dholbach
[06:05] <ajmitch_> thanks daniel
[06:07] <tseng> :(
[06:08] <crimsun> they always troll the good distros, heh
[06:13] <jabra> anyone know where I could find something about warnings I am getting from lintian
[06:14] <schweeb> the Debian Policy Manual
[06:14] <schweeb> generally
[06:14] <crimsun> 1) please use lintian -v; 2) http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-checkit.en.html#s-lintians
[06:15] <crimsun> http://lintian.debian.org/ is also a good web site
[06:15] <jabra> cool thanks
[06:16] <jabra> probably man lintian and rtfm
[06:16] <jabra> heh
[06:22] <jabra> ah -i is great
[06:56] <jabra> is anyone around to review a new package?
[06:57] <jabra> dholbach: are you around?
[07:02] <dholbach> jabra: yes, i am around
[07:03] <jabra> ok do you have a few minutes to review this package
[07:04] <dholbach> not atm
[07:04] <dholbach> but later
[07:04] <jabra> ok should I just put the link on the wiki
[07:05] <dholbach> that would be perfect
[07:05] <jabra> o ok cool
[07:05] <jabra> one thing that I noted on the site that there is a shell script that is included that doesn't have man pages
[07:05] <jabra> I hope that doesn't rule this out as a package
[07:07] <jabra> what I did was emailed the developer list to see if I could get a release of the man page early since it will be included in the next version
[07:09] <dholbach> you could write one yourself, i always use the manpage.xml template copied by dh_make
[07:11] <jabra> umm thinking pod2man?
[07:12] <jabra> does it have to have a man page?
[07:12] <dholbach> if the user is supposed to use it
[07:12] <jabra> so then I have to write one
[07:12] <dholbach> just briefly describing what it is for
[07:13] <jabra> ok
[07:13] <jabra> it can be brief but it does need to exist
[07:13] <jabra> ok I will
[07:13] <dholbach> the .xml file is readable and with a fancy   xsltproc   command you can convert it to a manpage
[07:13] <jabra> is pod2man ok
[07:13] <dholbach> (you can read it all in comments in the manpage.xml file)
[07:13] <jabra> that is wat I have used
[07:13] <dholbach> never used it
[07:14] <dholbach> if it works for you, use it :-)
[07:14] <jabra> probably the same thing
[07:14] <jabra> k
[07:14] <dholbach> yes... probably :-)
[07:14] <jabra> perl module to convert basic format similiar to html to a man page
[07:15] <dholbach> ah ok
[07:16] <jabra> seperate issue if I wanta package something that is just a shell script with a man page how could I do that since it isn't compiled
[07:28] <womble> jabra: Have the package build scripts just copy the script into the appropriate place in the package build dir
[07:29] <jabra> right where would I set that dir since there is no makefile
[07:41] <womble> jabra: Your debian/rules file should have something in it to create either a debian/tmp or debian/<pkg> directory, and probably relevant dirs inside that (like /usr/bin).  Stick the copy somewhere after that.
[07:42] <jabra> ok cool
[07:42] <jabra> thanks
[08:14] <dholbach> hey Riddell
[08:15] <jabra> dholbach: almost done with the man page
[08:16] <Riddell> hello dholbach
[08:16] <Riddell> everyone back where they belong?
[08:16] <dholbach> Riddell: seems to :-)
[08:23] <ajmitch> hi Riddell
[08:23] <ajmitch> currently installing kde 3.4 from breezy :)
[08:24] <crimsun> you might need http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[08:24] <ajmitch> thanks crimsun
[08:26] <Mithrandir> I doubt that ; libtool is a shell script. :)
[08:26] <crimsun> that's why I'm wondering
[08:26] <crimsun> s/wonder/boggl/
[08:37] <jabra> not sure wat file I should change to add in a man page to build this package it is in the man dir named ra.sh.1
[08:44] <jabra> ?
[08:45] <jabra> ls
[08:45] <jabra> oops
[08:45] <dholbach> hey koke
[08:47] <koke> hey!
[08:47] <koke> how was the flight?
[08:48] <dholbach> ok... but could have done with a bit more of sleep :-)
[08:49] <koke> :d
[08:50] <dholbach> how was yours?
[08:50] <jabra> dholbach: ok got it with a new man page
[08:52] <dholbach> excellent!
[08:52] <jabra> ya
[08:52] <jabra> I want this to be done
[08:52] <jabra> can ya tell?
[08:53] <jabra> I will put it on the wiki with a url
[08:53] <koke> dholbach: long enough :D
[08:53] <jabra> whenever you have sometime I would appreciate it if you review it
[08:54] <dholbach> jabra: i can absolutely understand that you're eager to get it in ASAP, but i must ask you to be patient
[08:54] <jabra> no problem
[08:54] <dholbach> ok, even better
[08:55] <ajmitch> we're still recovering from the week :)
[08:55] <jabra> ya I heard you guys had the first MOTU meeting like march 3rd?
[08:56] <ajmitch_> some of us just met in sydney
[08:56] <jabra> this weekend?
[08:57] <jabra> damn
[08:59] <koke> lamont: there was no key in your "keysigning result" message
[08:59] <lamont> koke: you and several others.  otoh, several _did_ have the sig... sigh.
[09:00] <lamont> doesn't help that I can't read the contents of the messages... :-(
[09:00] <koke> hey all, what scripts are you are using?? (it's my first party)
[09:00] <dholbach> koke: i use the one pitti's page
[09:02] <koke> dholbach: what page ?? :D
[09:03] <ajmitch_> look on the wiki, he put it on the keysigning page iirc
[09:04] <dholbach> piware.de
[09:06] <jabra> dholbach: thanks for your help
[09:06] <jabra> I really appreciate it
[09:06] <jabra> the wiki has be updated
[09:07] <dholbach> koke: http://www.piware.de/tools/signkey.pl
[09:07] <dholbach> you just have to add your keyid into it and your set
[09:07] <dholbach> s/your/you're
[09:07] <dholbach> jabra: anytime :-)
[09:08] <jabra> I will get my key signed tomorrow
[09:08] <dholbach> ROCK
[09:09] <jabra> I have to say you guys make this distro 100 times better than fedora
[09:09] <jabra> since I have been using redhat distro since 6.2
[09:09] <jabra> I really think ubuntu is soo much better in all aspects
[09:11] <dholbach> jabra: it's great you want to help out
[09:12] <dholbach> i think with a big MOTU crew and loads of teams ubuntu we will get even better
[09:12] <p0m> Darn, all the python stuff has been fixed allready :)
[09:13] <jabra> well you guys make it easier than fedora for someone to help out
[09:13] <dholbach> p0m: the next step will be the zope modules, right ajmitch?
[09:14] <jabra>  the thing I am going to on next is the wireless tool I have been working on
[09:14] <p0m> Hmm, I'll have a look into that. Ohh, and hi :)
[09:14] <jabra> it joins wireless networks based on a precedence in a config file similair to windows
[09:14] <jabra> it is a shell script since I wanted it to be able to run on anything
[09:15] <jabra> going to add in wep and wpa next week after I make a bit more stable
[09:15] <jabra> /s/a/it/g
[09:16] <p0m> Hmm.
[09:19] <p0m> I've eyed up a couple of packages I think I can fix.
[09:21] <GheRivero> res
[09:22] <dholbach> p0m: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverCxxTransition :-)
[09:22] <p0m> Err?
[09:22] <dholbach> yes
[09:22] <p0m> There doesn't seem to be a UniverCxxTransition page
[09:23] <dholbach> UniverseCxxTransition
[09:23] <dholbach> sorry
[09:25] <dholbach> i'll grab another coffee :-)
[09:25] <p0m> That list takes a while to load :)
[09:26] <jabra> anyone know if there is a BostonTeam ?
[09:26] <jabra> don't see it on the wiki
[09:26] <p0m> Boston or Boson?
[09:26] <jabra> boston
[09:27] <p0m> dholbach: Is it just me, or are these mainly amd64 items?
[09:28] <ajmitch> p0m: dholbach has an amd64 :)
[09:28] <p0m> Ahh.
[09:28] <p0m> Lucky.
[09:29] <p0m> I might go through and check some of the python packages that don't need transitioning.
[09:49] <chmj> morning
[09:50] <crimsun> morning!
[09:51] <GheRivero> morning
[10:03] <koke> dholbach: I've just signed your key
[10:03] <koke> tell me if it's all ok and I'll sign the others :D
[10:07] <dholbach> koke: was alright
[10:08] <dholbach> could we agree on a date for an irc meeting with the malone guys
[10:08] <dholbach> something around may, 11th?
[10:08] <chmj> hi dholbach
[10:08] <dholbach> hey chmj
[10:09] <chmj> dholbach: mind you my time is 9:00 - 17:00 GTM +2
[10:09] <koke> dholbach: it's ok for me
[10:09] <koke> I'll try to test malone more :D
[10:10] <dholbach> what do the guys from .us and .au/.nz say?
[10:10] <dholbach> i don't mind getting up early
[10:13] <crimsun> 11th? Hmm. Anytime's good.
[11:35] <ajmitch> rock, gtk-sharp2-unstable acceepted
[11:36] <ogra> YAY
[11:36] <dholbach> NEW mono crack?
[11:37] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:37] <ajmitch> been working on this stuff with tseng since UDU
[11:37] <ajmitch> since his key isn't in the keyring still
[11:38] <ajmitch> and I like mono stuff for some reason :)
[11:38] <dholbach> :-)
[11:38] <crimsun> man, _none_ of the packages I've worked on in the past week have built on amd64
[11:38] <ajmitch> there's some substantial pain involved here ;)
[11:54] <dholbach> does malone work for everyone of you? did you all set a "preferred mail adress"?
[11:54] <dholbach> could you please play with it? (open new bugs, re-assign them, ...) and add stuff to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList ?
[11:54] <ajmitch> I've set preferred mail, but not played with it much yet
[11:55] <dholbach> malone will be used also for main in 7-8 weeks
[11:55] <ajmitch> I've got a pile of bugs to file, I think
[01:27] <tseng> ajmitch_: mm we need to start the gnomedb fixing
[01:27] <tseng> whos package is that
[01:27] <tseng> ohhh
[01:28] <dholbach> gnome team :-)
[01:28] <tseng> However the following packages replace it:
[01:28] <tseng>   libgnomedb2-common
[01:28] <tseng> just need to fix build-dep I guess
[01:29] <dholbach> tseng: could you tell seb128? i recall him fixing something in the last days
[01:29] <tseng> dholbach: no, its in my package
[01:29] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:29] <tseng> ill fix it tonight
[01:30] <tseng> i need to get to work now
[01:30] <tseng> an hour late
[01:30] <tseng> stupid lag
[01:32] <dholbach> MOTUNewPackages got really full
[01:32] <tseng> :(
[01:32] <tseng> i am getting security notices from pitti now also
[01:32] <dholbach> MOTUToReview as well
[01:32] <ajmitch_> we've also got a lot of merging to do - I'm going to write up something to streamline that
[01:32] <tseng> i need to build a hoary chroot
[01:33] <ajmitch_> hopefully by the end of the week
[01:34] <tseng> i might get on from work for a few minutes.. cya
[01:35] <ajmitch_> ok, have a good day tseng
[01:41] <\sh> i have a couple of bugfixed packages left
[01:41] <\sh> to review and upload
[03:22] <tritium_> Good morning.
[04:01] <bddebian> Morning folks
[04:01] <tritium_> good morning bddebian
[04:02] <Nafallo> morning :-)
[04:03] <bddebian> Hello tritium_, Nafallo
[05:05] <jabra_> gmorning
[05:06] <Nafallo> jabra_, good afternoon :-)
[05:06] <jabra_> true
[05:39] <jabra> to get someone to review your package it should be on the MOTUToReview site correct
[05:42] <tritium> yep
[07:25] <zul> heylo
[07:34] <trukulo> hello, do you admit guests ? :)
[07:35] <Nafallo> hi trukulo :-).
[07:35] <trukulo> hi nafallo
[07:35] <trukulo> ubuntu-dev is very quiet lastly
[07:36] <trukulo> and #ubuntu is... well, always has been very boring
[07:36] <Nafallo> trukulo: sometimes :-). then something happens and they discuss away.
[07:36] <trukulo> i have one question
[07:37] <trukulo> specially to ogra
[07:37] <trukulo> graveman 0.3.10-1 is in universe
[07:37] <trukulo> but this package has bugs, good one in sid es graveman 0.3.10-2
[07:37] <trukulo> you will wait to breeze to update it?
[07:45] <trukulo> :)
[07:45] <trukulo> well, we have many options, that's the good thing
[07:45] <bur[n] er> for sure
[07:45] <bur[n] er> graveman looks better in xfce ;)
[07:45] <trukulo> i ask because im co-mantainer of package in debian
[07:46] <trukulo> and talked about this package a lot with oliver, that intend to package at first on universe
[07:46] <trukulo> well, it's just curiosity
[07:46] <bur[n] er> i would imagine it would get in universe for breezy unless it's security related
[07:49] <trukulo> it's not security
[08:18] <ogra> trukulo, then we cant update it for hoary, sorry
[08:18] <trukulo> ogra: no, don't sorry for it, just asking :)
[08:29] <herve> houba!
[09:15] <omglol> who knows how to ssh over https
[09:16] <omglol> oh man my friends irc script sucks
[09:38] <tritium> tseng|work: busy?
[09:39] <tseng|work> well, I cant do much but http
[09:39] <tseng|work> I can talk.
[09:40] <tritium> It's just that trulux called a meeting in #ubuntu-hardened, and I thought you might want to be there if you can.  It's been going on for a while.
[09:40] <tseng|work> is it more flamebait?
[09:41] <tritium> No, just a working meeting.
[09:41] <tseng|work> we seem to be having a misunderstanding about breaking the desktop vs being as secure as possible
[09:42] <tseng|work> ill come if he invites me.
[09:43] <trulux> tseng|work: sorry, I agree with you. I've been trying to break my desktop for being more secure, mostly breaking my CRT screen ir order to avoid undesired viewing of my porn
[09:43] <tseng|work> hah :P
[09:43] <trulux> tseng|work: I invited all people, feel free to join only if you don't want to feed a personal flame
[09:43] <tseng|work> sure.
[09:44] <trulux> we can solve the problem if it's something personal but don't take it to the lists nor the IRC channels, feel free to call me if you want, I'll setup skype for my hot line
[09:45] <tseng|work> yeah i thought most of your email was something against me that didnt really come out as strongly on irc before
[09:45] <tseng|work> I already responded, no hard feelings here, dropping ssp isnt about you, its about maintainance
[09:45] <trulux> tseng|work: also, don't forget that I wanted to work with you since the start, so, it's always better to look beyond the red line, maybe there's something wrong that happened to make things going bad
[09:46] <trulux> and well, you know as others do, that Im 'not someone that gets upset for no good reason
[09:46] <tseng|work> rock on.
[09:48] <trulux> tseng|work: remember: you, as well as others, have rights to propose, suggest and recommend for the RFC, before the spec. is written
[10:15] <herve> in case you care, sarge is frozen!
[10:17] <tseng|work> hm
[10:19] <herve> and planned to be release on may, 30th
[10:19] <herve> end of the month, roughly
[10:20] <Nafallo> what I wonder is what the first planned date was ;-)
[10:22] <herve> no, let's not kick them
[10:22] <herve> we're part of the same family
[10:23] <Nafallo> agreed. but the delay was one of the main reasons I switched all my computers to ubuntu :-).
[10:25] <Nafallo> no assault intended :-)
[10:26] <herve> yeah, I won't react :-)
[10:26] <herve> I can understand
[10:26] <herve> like I can understand the debian project suffered
[10:27] <Nafallo> same. another reason was all the internal fights that went on all the time.
[10:27] <Nafallo> I would think many of the problems with sarge won't happen with etch though.
[10:30] <herve> the human problems? hard to say :-)
[10:31] <Nafallo> hehe. I was thinking about all the other problems with that notation ;-)
[10:40] <GheRivero> res
[11:42] <herve> night all
[11:46] <tseng> hi