[12:43] <mkde> hi hypatia, Burgundavia 
[12:43] <hypatia> morning
[12:44] <mkde> how are things?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> good
[12:45] <Burgundavia> I am planning my next big project
[12:45] <mkde> whats that?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu in inuktitut
[12:45] <Burgundavia> the inuit language
[12:46] <mkde> you mean a translation?
[12:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:46] <mkde> cool
[12:46] <mkde> do you speak it?
[12:46] <Burgundavia> there are some serious hurdles
[12:46] <Burgundavia> no, I can't speak it
[12:47] <mkde> hieroglyphics
[12:47] <Burgundavia> I need a gpl-ed font I think
[12:47] <mkde> lack of words for things
[12:48] <Burgundavia> probably
[12:48] <mkde> maybe you can get someone to release the font under GPL
[12:48] <mkde> if you're persuasive
[12:48] <Burgundavia> there are already some fonts out there
[12:48] <mkde> yeah i see
[12:48] <Burgundavia> that can be freely downloaded
[12:48] <mkde> http://www.gov.nu.ca/font.htm
[12:48] <Burgundavia> but I need gpl-ed to put into the base
[12:49] <mkde> now, i've delayed the obvious question for a while
[12:49] <mkde> why/
[12:49] <mkde> ?
[12:49] <Burgundavia> why not?
[12:49] <mkde> rephrase
[12:49] <mkde> why you?
[12:50] <mkde> don't say it...
[12:50] <Burgundavia> nobody else is doing it?
[12:50] <mkde> fair enough
[12:50] <mkde> well best of luck
[12:50] <Burgundavia> there is some translation work done already
[12:50] <mkde> right
[12:50] <mkde> what sort of user base are we talking?
[12:50] <Burgundavia> probably just needs some polishing and political boost
[12:51] <Burgundavia> the 2nd part would be putting computers into small communities in Nunavut
[12:51] <mkde> see if you can get some money off shuttleworth
[12:52] <Burgundavia> I am thinking fed. gov as well
[12:52] <mkde> go for it
[12:52] <mkde> how the hell do you get these ideas
[12:53] <Burgundavia> I don't know
[12:53] <Burgundavia> from my mind?
[12:55] <mkde> no drugs involved at all?
[12:55] <mkde> :p
[12:55] <mkde> cool idea anyhow
[12:56] <Burgundavia> nope, no drugs
[12:57] <mkde> i'm off to bed
[12:57] <mkde> best of luck with this project
[12:57] <mkde> night
[03:18] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:54] <lexxan_> Well i got a better idea for the bot.. my p166 laptop :P
[03:55] <lexxan_> installing sarge now via floppy :P
[06:05] <bob2> is "dennis craven" here?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> no idea who this guy is sorry
[06:47] <lexxan> bob2, Could we give the [uhelp]  voice to put it at the top of the list?
[06:47] <lexxan> *you
[06:47] <bob2> why?
[06:48] <lexxan> I don't know Burgundavia wanted it there and someone else
[06:48] <lexxan> just forget it
[06:48] <bob2> ok
[06:48] <lexxan> They can deal with it :P
[06:49] <lexxan> i'll make sure it runs
[06:49] <lexxan> !learn add bug To report bugs see - http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <Burgundavia> lexxan
[06:51] <Burgundavia> not quite correct
[06:52] <lexxan> ok..
[06:52] <lexxan> I don't know as much as you guys so fix whatever :P
[06:53] <Burgundavia> well technically, universe bugs go to malone
[06:53] <bob2> how do you delete incorrect factoids?
[06:54] <Burgundavia>  bang del blah
[06:54] <Burgundavia> bang learn del blah
[06:54] <bob2> !del add bug
[06:54] <bob2> !info add bug
[06:54] <lexxan> !learn del bug
[06:55] <bob2> not a blootbot it seems, that's a shame
[06:55] <lexxan> Where do i get that?
[06:55] <lexxan> I want the best script :/
[06:55] <lexxan> ah
[06:55] <lexxan> perl bot
[06:55] <bob2> blootbot.sf.net
[06:55] <lexxan> Does it work off ??
[06:55] <bob2> very nice for this sort of thing
[06:55] <bob2> "work off"?
[06:56] <lexxan> Is it the same format
[06:56] <bob2> you can do whatever trigger character you like
[06:56] <lexxan> ah ok
[06:56] <bob2> ?? is a bad choice, imho
[06:56] <[uhelp] > is[x] : No defenition found for word.
[06:56] <lexxan> why is that
[06:56] <lexxan> you'd rather go [uhelp] , tell john about root
[06:56] <lexxan> or something??
[06:56] <bob2> anything that encourages people to use more than "?" is bad ;)
[06:56] <bob2> !tell john about root
[06:57] <lexxan> that's not bad
[06:57] <lexxan> blootbot does that?
[06:57] <bob2> of course
[07:11] <lexxan> Workin on it
[07:11] <lexxan> takes awhile to install mysql on a 166 laptop
[07:16] <lexxan> haha
[07:16] <lexxan> root
[07:17] <lexxan> !tell lexxan about root
[07:23] <lexxan> topic [help] 
[07:24] <lexxan> !topic help
[07:24] <lexxan> no clue how to use this thing :P
[07:25] <lexxan> hopefully its secure
[07:29] <lexxan> chanstats
[07:29] <lexxan> !chanstats
[07:29] <lexxan> @chanstats
[07:31] <lexxan> root is at sfasdfasgdsdg
[07:31] <lexxan> where can i find root?
[07:31] <lexxan> ;/
[07:33] <lexxan> add root blah
[07:34] <lexxan> topic add root blah
[07:34] <bob2> ?
[07:34] <lexxan> !info blah
[07:34] <lexxan> I have no idea how to use this thing lol.
[07:34] <lexxan> uhelp: test is testing
[07:34] <uhelp> lexxan: okay
[07:35] <lexxan> uhelp: testing?
[07:35] <uhelp> lexxan: are you smoking crack?
[07:35] <lexxan> uhelp: test?
[07:35] <uhelp> test is, like, testing
[07:35] <lexxan> lol.
[07:35] <bob2> uhelp: testing
[07:35] <uhelp> bob2: i don't know
[07:35] <bob2> uhelp: test
[07:35] <uhelp> somebody said test was testing
[07:36] <bob2> uhelp: fnord is This is a pointless factoid.
[07:36] <uhelp> bob2: okay
[07:36] <bob2> !fnord
[07:36] <bob2> !fnord
[07:36] <lexxan> !fnord
[07:36] <bob2> uhelp: fnord
[07:36] <uhelp> somebody said fnord was This is a pointless factoid.
[07:36] <bob2> you set the trigger character to something else
[07:38] <lexxan> If i can find that setting
[07:38] <lexxan> heh
[07:38] <lexxan> uhelp: uptime
[07:41] <lexxan> topic fnord
[07:41] <lexxan> !topic fnord
[07:42] <lexxan> @fnord
[07:42] <bob2> the bot is not going to change the topic
[07:43] <bob2> uhelp: stats
[07:43] <uhelp> Since Tue May  3 23:29:12 2005, there have been 2 modifications and 3 questions and 8 dunnos and 0 morons and 8 commands.  I have been awake for 15m 19s this session, and currently reference 2 factoids.  I'm using about 14872 kB of memory.
[07:43] <lexxan> no shit
[07:43] <lexxan> hmm
[07:43] <lexxan> I can't find a trigger setting anywhere
[07:46] <lexxan> uhelp: stats
[07:46] <uhelp> Since Tue May  3 23:48:01 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 0 questions and 0 dunnos and 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 13s this session, and currently reference 2 factoids.  I'm using about 14748 kB of memory.
[07:47] <lexxan> Can you still access it bob2?
[07:49] <bob2> uhelp: fnord
[07:49] <uhelp> fnord is, like, This is a pointless factoid.
[07:49] <lexxan> hmm
[07:49] <lexxan> tell lexxan about fnord
[07:49] <lexxan> uhelp: tell lexxan about fnord
[07:49] <lexxan> What's so great about this bot haha
[07:49] <bob2> ...
[07:49] <bob2> the fact it's not annoying
[07:50] <bob2> you tell it things
[07:50] <bob2> it repeats them
[07:50] <lexxan> How is that any different
[07:50] <lexxan> the only diff i see is it uses mysql
[07:50] <lexxan> uhelp: you are ugly.
[07:50] <uhelp> lexxan: I think you lost me on that one
[07:51] <lexxan> !tell lexxan about fnord
[07:51] <lexxan> =[
[07:52] <lexxan> I think i'd rather run infobot
[07:52] <bob2> blootbot is infobot
[07:52] <bob2> but actually maintained
[07:54] <lexxan> It'd be nice if there was documentation
[07:54] <lexxan> heh
[07:55] <lexxan> !del fnord
[07:56] <lexxan> I can't even dcc the bot
[07:56] <lexxan> nor is the userfile even working
[07:56] <lexxan> =[
[07:56] <bob2> er
[07:56] <bob2> why on earth would you dcc it?
[07:57] <lexxan> I don't know.. the crappy README says you can
[07:59] <bob2> but why would you want to?
[07:59] <lexxan> who knows
[07:59] <lexxan> I think you can do admin commands or something
[08:00] <lexxan> so basically it works fine except the trigger?
[08:01] <bob2> why would you do admin commands in dcc?
[08:01] <lexxan> You tell me.
[08:03] <_froud_> African Greetings
[08:04] <bob2> I don't know why anyone would
[08:05] <jsgotangco> hi froud 
[08:05] <froud> hi
[08:05] <lexxan> Hmm I'd use this bot if the trigger would work
[08:07] <jsgotangco> froud, not so much activity in svn lately? im about to do stuff now
[08:07] <froud> yeah, everyone is talking but no work :-(
[08:08] <jsgotangco> froud, don't worry let's just do what we're supposed to do ive been silent on the list as well lately but it does not mean anything :)
[08:08] <froud> :-) some of us are working behind the scenes ;-)
[08:10] <jsgotangco> who's pulling stuff now?
[08:10] <froud> huh?
[08:11] <jsgotangco> i mean do we have new people doing stuff?
[08:11] <froud> no, just a few of us are hacking various parts
[08:11] <froud> jeff-away is progressing with the styleguide
[08:11] <jsgotangco> ah right
[08:11] <froud> I am working on installation
[08:12] <froud> and user guide
[08:12] <jsgotangco> that leaves me with kubuntu stuff then
[08:12] <jsgotangco> that's great
[08:12] <froud> no I have my eye on kubuntu
[08:12] <jsgotangco> ok
[08:13] <froud> i was waiting for you to get ahead with kwickguide
[08:13] <froud> then planned helping you
[08:13] <jsgotangco> im starting to get some steam again now after going home
[08:14] <froud> yeah takes some effort to get back to normal after UDU
[08:14] <froud> now I wait to see what the outcomes for UDU are?
[08:14] <jsgotangco> yeah i also have a couple of ToDo
[08:15] <jsgotangco> well i was wondering about some of my ToDo
[08:15] <jsgotangco> we're supposed to do a flyer of sorts for conferences
[08:15] <jsgotangco> but i was thinking maybe themarketing people are better off with these things
[08:15] <Burgundavia> I already have the beginnings of one
[08:15] <Burgundavia> I just haven't committed it
[08:15] <froud> depends on what the flyer is supposed to do
[08:16] <froud> yeah burgy has some ideas
[08:16] <Burgundavia> we also have 2 paper sizes and other stuff
[08:16] <froud> done in inkscape so it is xml
[08:16] <jsgotangco> ok let me pull out my activity page
[08:17] <jsgotangco> thats great
[08:17] <jsgotangco> i didnt know inkscape does xml
[08:18] <Burgundavia> svg is xml
[08:18] <Burgundavia> and OO can export svg to pdf
[08:18] <froud> yes
[08:18] <jsgotangco> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences?highlight=%28JeromeGotangcoActivity%29%7C%28SpecAssignments%29%7C%28JeromeGotangcoQueue%29
[08:18] <froud> w3c
[08:18] <jsgotangco> pardon my ignorance
[08:18] <froud> OOo is also xml
[08:19] <Burgundavia> OO drawing can also do SVG
[08:19] <jsgotangco> ok i know that OOo is in xml
[08:19] <froud> just unzip the sxw and you get xml
[08:19] <jsgotangco> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[08:19] <froud> XML RULES THE WORLD
[08:19] <jsgotangco> ok i know some of that stuff so don't shove it on my face :)
[08:20] <froud> prod prod
[08:20] <jsgotangco> i borked my laptop during UDU and still recovering my stuff thats why i havent committed at all
[08:21] <Burgundavia> ouch
[08:22] <jsgotangco> are there any MS Project viewers available in linux?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> not yet
[08:22] <Burgundavia> imendio project has it on the roadmap
[08:22] <jsgotangco> ouch
[08:22] <Burgundavia> project in the repos
[08:22] <Burgundavia> planner
[08:23] <Burgundavia> A: We're just getting started in this area. In the 0.13 version, a simple importer for the XML exchange format supported by MS Project 2002 and later.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> .13 isn't packaged for anything yet
[08:25] <Burgundavia> oh wait
[08:25] <lexxan> Does anyone else here wanna run the infobot?
[08:25] <Burgundavia> testing has it
[08:25] <Burgundavia> so does unstable
[08:25] <Burgundavia> so it just needs to sync
[08:25] <Burgundavia> it may have already
[08:25] <Burgundavia> confirmed, breezy has it
[08:26] <Burgundavia> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/planner/ if you have a pbuilder chroot
[08:30] <lexxan> K well was fun helping out. bye
[08:33] <jeffsch> good evening
[08:33] <jeffsch> any ideas on dictionary we can use for style guide?
[08:34] <froud> Wbsters?
[08:35] <jeffsch> something free would be nice
[08:35] <froud> computerdictionary.tsf.org.za
[08:35] <froud> Still needs work though
[08:36] <froud> But Websters is online
[08:36] <froud> FOLDOC
[08:37] <jeffsch> I was thinking maybe aspell
[08:37] <froud> spellchecker
[08:37] <jeffsch> yes
[08:37] <froud> hardly a dictionary
[08:38] <jeffsch> true. but it has the spelling of words, which is the biggest part of the dictionary we need for our purposes
[08:38] <jeffsch> and it can be customised
[08:38] <froud> dict.org
[08:39] <froud> that is free
[08:39] <froud> braod database
[08:39] <froud> and I can use Kdictionary
[08:39] <jeffsch> The connection was refuse while attempting to contact dict.org
[08:39] <froud> :-)
[08:39] <froud> http://www.dict.org
[08:40] <froud> On KDE we have K Dictionary which queries dict.org servers
[08:40] <froud> dunno about gnome?
[08:40] <froud> but there must be someting like it
[08:40] <jeffsch> there is also Gnome Dictionary. it connects to many of the same dicts as dict.org
[08:41] <froud> yeah they are just front ends
[08:41] <jeffsch> good for defs, but confusing for spelling
[08:41] <froud> My take is that we use US spell
[08:41] <froud> So long as definition and spelling can be found in a US dict I am happy
[08:42] <froud> I know that sounds strange comming from a south african
[08:42] <froud> I should be punting UK en
[08:42] <froud> but really US spelling is better
[08:42] <froud> :-)
[08:42] <froud> Flame war
[08:42] <froud> Yahooooooo
[08:42] <froud> !!!
[08:42] <jeffsch> US spelling is usually more straight forward
[08:43] <jeffsch> Canadian spelling is a compromise between US and UK
[08:43] <froud> Hey, no compromises
[08:43] <froud> :-)
[08:43] <jeffsch> we should stick with US
[08:43] <froud> Over at computerdictionary I am building a docbook glosaary database
[08:44] <froud> Spell US
[08:44] <froud> Here are my guidelines
[08:44] <froud> http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/project/index.html#Dictionary+Guidelines
[08:44] <jsgotangco> i go for us spelling
[08:45] <froud> hooray for jsgotangco 
[08:45] <jeffsch> Turabian? wut dat?
[08:46] <jsgotangco> but i prefer the uk way of speaking hehe
[08:46] <froud> now we just need the ozzies and the brits to agree
[08:46] <froud> Chicago/Turabian style.
[08:47] <mdke> US spelling?
[08:47] <froud> http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/cmosfaq.html
[08:47] <mdke> there is no such spelling
[08:47] <jeffsch> I know of Chicago, but never see Chicago/Turabian
[08:47] <froud> mdke: yes, and yes there is
[08:47] <froud> That is Turabian
[08:47] <jsgotangco> a brit take him!
[08:47] <mdke> you'll never take me alive
[08:48] <jsgotangco> froud, you know mark collet?
[08:48] <froud> should I?
[08:48] <jsgotangco> umm no just wondering
[08:48] <jsgotangco> how about adi atta
[08:48] <froud> adi yes
[08:48] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[08:48] <froud> mark collect from OOo
[08:48] <jsgotangco> shes the one involved in xhosa right
[08:48] <froud> yes
[08:49] <froud> she gave us the xhosa xh
[08:49] <jsgotangco> yes shes nice
[08:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:49] <froud> mark is down in Durban
[08:49] <froud> yes
[08:50] <froud> :) big smile
[08:50] <jsgotangco> but xh is a tribal language right?
[08:50] <froud> yes
[08:50] <froud> one of our 11
[08:51] <jsgotangco> how about afrikaans
[08:51] <froud> like old dutch
[08:51] <froud> or flemish
[08:51] <jsgotangco> interesting
[08:51] <froud> very much an african language though
[08:53] <jeffsch> aha! Turabian is for citations
[08:54] <jsgotangco> adi gave me a lot of stickers thats why i remember her
[08:55] <froud> jeffsch: yes
[08:55] <froud> cms is great
[08:55] <froud> definitive
[08:56] <froud> but I also like Newton
[08:56] <froud> "Newtons telcom dictionary"
[08:56] <froud> but it is not online
[08:56] <jeffsch> and cms only has index online
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, do you want me to build planner in a pbuilder chroot and install it so that you can extract that project stuff?
[08:56] <jeffsch> you still must buy the book
[08:57] <froud> register and the world opens
[08:57] <froud> every writer should have a copy
[08:57] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, not familiar with what you are saying but if i get to open that project file without any hitch im grateful
[08:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:58] <Burgundavia> I will not be able to get to it tell tomorrow night though
[08:58] <jeffsch> I like Simon and Schuster Handboolk for Writers
[08:58] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, no worries
[08:58] <froud> not widely used, but also good
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:03] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:13] <Kinnison> Morning
[09:22] <jsgotangco> morning to you Kinnison 
[11:15] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[07:27] <mdke> sup y'all
[07:31] <jjesse> hello mdke
[07:32] <mdke> hi jjesse