[01:27] <jbailey> Bah!  Why does devmapper include a debian/patches directory, and then not do anything with it?
[01:42] <dilinger> jbailey: 'cause sometimes there are patches, some times there aren't? :)
[01:43] <dilinger> grr, i just stepped in pepsi
[01:44] <jbailey> dilinger: Looks like waldi ditched using the patches directory and then didn't get rid of it or the patches in it.
[01:44] <jbailey> (He stopped using cdbs completely)
[01:44] <dilinger> yea
[01:44] <dilinger> i'm not suprised
[01:44] <dilinger> he ranks up there as my least favorite maintainer
[01:45] <dilinger> and i get to comaintain w/ him (yay!)
[01:47] <jbailey> Wow.
[01:47] <jbailey> BEast out md?
[01:47] <jbailey> Beats, even...
[01:57] <jbailey> fabbione: devmapper uploaded, it might solve the lvm2 stuff automatically.
[01:57] <dilinger> jbailey: yep
[02:42] <zul> doh...fabbione: i added hostap support this afternoon compiles cleanly 
[04:15] <z3k3> hey zul
[04:18] <zul> hey
[04:18] <z3k3> how goes
[04:18] <z3k3> the battle?
[04:19] <zul> good... a little bit of a mily emergenyc guine pig is bleeding
[04:20] <z3k3> oh!? i think vets are open 24/7.
[04:20] <z3k3> if its major that is.
[04:26] <zul> its not at that level yet
[04:27] <z3k3> well, hope its alright.  :)  let me know when the emergency is over, and maybe we can go over a few dpkg things, if you have time that is.
[04:27] <zul> it might not be tonight
[04:28] <zul> but man pages are useful
[04:28] <z3k3> no problem.  another day.
[04:28] <z3k3> yes, I have been RTFM'n
[04:28] <z3k3> :)
[05:12] <fabbione> morning
[05:12] <zul> hey changelog bitch
[05:13] <fabbione> bah fuck!
[05:13] <fabbione> one of my disks run out of space and all the sparc buildd went bana
[05:13] <fabbione> banana
[05:13] <zul> you need a bigger hard drive
[05:14] <fabbione> no! really?
[05:14] <zul> yes...really..
[05:15] <zul> moto = masters of the obvious
[05:16] <fabbione> so did you add any new crack to the kernel?
[05:16] <zul> hostap
[05:16] <fabbione> zul: ok.. but please stop here
[05:16] <fabbione> we need to release :)
[05:16] <zul> ok
[05:16] <fabbione> baz update 
[05:16] <fabbione> Failed to connect to archive zulcss@gmail.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91
[05:17] <zul> gah..?
[05:17] <zul> can you go to http://zulinux.homelinux.net?
[05:18] <zul> gah..
[05:18] <fabbione> PING zulinux.homelinux.net (24.42.249.194) 56(84) bytes of data.
[05:18] <fabbione> ?
[05:18] <fabbione> is this your ip?
[05:18] <zul> yeah it is gimme a sec...make sure it hasnt changed
[05:19] <zul> friggin linksys
[05:21] <z3k3> lol
[05:21] <z3k3> dont blame the linksys
[05:22] <zul> actually i blame the windows box
[05:22] <z3k3> I agree
[05:22] <zul> fabbione: try now
[05:23] <z3k3> zul: did you remove that nfg 6410 patch from your baz?
[05:23] <z3k3> just making sure so it doesn't clutter fabbione's update
[05:23] <fabbione> i didn't merge your patch yet
[05:23] <fabbione> z3k3: and baz takes care of merging
[05:24] <z3k3> fabbione: will you merge it into release?
[05:24] <z3k3> at some point i mena
[05:24] <z3k3> mean
[05:25] <fabbione> z3k3: i want to understand what the patch does first
[05:25] <fabbione> i don't like merging random bits
[05:26] <z3k3> fabbione: I understand.  I found it at http://robertk.com/source if that helps
[05:27] <fabbione> what i want to know is if the patch has been pushed upstream
[05:27] <zul> i doubt it
[05:27] <z3k3> from what I have read.  no it hasnt
[05:27] <z3k3> but I'm not sure where to check.  officially.
[05:28] <fabbione> hey lamont 
[05:28] <zul> hey lamont 
[05:28] <z3k3> ditto
[05:28] <lamont> I guess 30 minutes after getting home from the fire meeting and call is a good time to remove the -away, eh?
[05:29] <zul> slacker :)
[05:30] <zul> T-Bone hasnt been around much
[05:30] <zul> hes a slacker as well
[05:31] <zul> so what do you need from me to get the release out?
[05:32] <zul> before i go to bed
[05:32] <fabbione> zul: to stop adding stuff and start to test all of them?
[05:32] <zul> sure..
[05:32] <fabbione> zul: hmmmmm
[05:32] <fabbione> have a good night sleep dude
[05:32] <zul> c ya later
[05:33] <fabbione> cya
[05:35] <z3k3> fabbione: after you merge zul's baz archive let me know, I'll build a new kernel and test.
[05:35] <fabbione> z3k3: i have done it already
[05:36] <fabbione> i still need to check the via patch
[05:36] <z3k3> ok.  I'm just adding the via patch manually, but will build again tonight.
[05:38] <z3k3> the other patch we tried edited the via82cxxx instead of the generic.  I thought that was better.. but it didnt work.
[05:38] <z3k3> just fyi.
[05:38] <Mithrandir> hi fabio
[05:41] <fabbione> hey Mith
[05:41] <fabbione> jetlagged?
[05:41] <Mithrandir> a bit
[05:42] <fabbione> so am i
[05:56] <fabbione> hmm interesting build-loop
[05:57] <fabbione> happy builddep ghc6, haddock builddep happy, ghc6 builddep haddock
[06:10] <dilinger> Mithrandir: when did you get back?
[06:12] <fabbione> hey dilinger 
[06:12] <dilinger> heya
[06:12] <dilinger> how's it going?
[06:18] <Mithrandir> dilinger: monday 1200 CEST.
[06:18] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I sent you a privmsg last night.
[06:31] <lamont> fabbione: yeah - you have to bootstrap ghc65
[06:31] <fabbione> lamont: yup.. doing it now
[06:32] <fabbione> ghc5 isn't bootstrappable afaik
[06:32] <fabbione> it build-dep on ghc4 that is not even available in debian
[06:32] <fabbione> (for sparc)
[06:32] <lamont> and it's old :-)
[06:32] <fabbione> as well
[06:32] <lamont> and what ever you do, don't bootstrap gcc< 3.3
[06:33] <fabbione> it's pointless to bootstrap gcc < 3.3
[06:33] <fabbione> even if i would really really need gcc-2.95 for silo
[06:48] <fabbione>  /bin/sh: line 1: 32067 Illegal instruction     ../utils/genprimopcode/genprimopcode --data-decl <prelude/primops.txt >primop-data-decl.hs-incl
[06:48] <fabbione> i guess ghc6 isn't gcc-4 friendly
[10:36] <fabbione> AHHHHHH
[10:36] <fabbione> there it is why the via patch doesn't work!
[10:36] <fabbione> there is a typo in the patch
[10:39] <fabbione> z3k3__: are you around?
[02:54] <zul> hey
[03:00] <fabbione> yo
[03:01] <zul> how goes it?
[03:01] <fabbione> i am not feeling to well, but it is going
[03:02] <fabbione> i figured why your via patch didn't work
[03:02] <zul> mine?
[03:02] <zul> did you get the new patch from z3k3?
[03:03] <fabbione> zul: there was a patch you added
[03:03] <zul> ah
[03:03] <fabbione> and there was a typo
[03:03] <fabbione> that's why it didn't work
[03:03] <zul> what was the typo
[03:03] <fabbione> 0X3149 -> 0x3149
[03:03] <zul> ah ok
[03:03] <fabbione> or something like that
[03:03] <fabbione> the one you added is more via specific
[03:03] <fabbione> the one from z3k3__ adds the same code in ide generic
[03:04] <zul> heh
[03:05] <fabbione> lamont: you around already?
[03:09] <zul> *sigh* bloody nt servers
[04:03] <zul> has anyone tested himem on 386 yet?
[04:04] <zul> er...highmem even
[04:22] <lamont> fabbione: am now
[04:46] <zul> anyone have any pictures up on udu?
[05:06] <fabbione> zul: nope.. it needs testing
[05:07] <zul> ill do it when i get home tonight
[05:07] <fabbione> lamont: can you please build from the latest baz, update the configs and send me the full buildlog?
[05:10] <fabbione> no wonder the via patch doesn't work at all
[05:10] <fabbione> it's not even applied
[05:10] <fabbione> bah today i am really really really pissed off
[05:12] <zul> ack
[05:13] <zul> heh hey T-None 
[05:13] <T-None> lamont: still waiting for your log/pass btw ;)
[05:13] <T-None> hey zul
[05:16] <zul> hehe http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050501
[05:17] <fabbione> zul: in what date did you update inotify?
[05:18] <zul> the inotify 0.23 or 0.22?
[05:18] <fabbione> 0.23
[05:18] <zul> yesterday 
[05:18] <zul> lemme double check though
[05:20] <fabbione> yeah it was yesterday
[05:20] <zul> yesterday 11:27 EST
[05:20] <zul> patch-19 in my baz archive
[05:21] <fabbione> ok i suggest you to wait an hour or so
[05:21] <fabbione> i am in real bitching mode right now and committing all small fixes everywhere
[05:21] <fabbione> this week is shit
[05:21] <zul> umm..sure..
[05:21] <zul> sick?
[05:22] <fabbione> also.. that's one of the point
[05:24] <T-None> (french one, preferrably)
[05:25] <Mithrandir> nah, italian.  Or South African.
[05:26] <zul> you should try ontario ice wine
[05:26] <T-None> Mithrandir: i assume you want him dead by midnight, then? 8)
[05:27] <fabbione> Mithrandir: bah really.. i need to move out of this fucking retarted country
[05:28] <fabbione> and convince my wife to do so
[05:28] <Mithrandir> fabbione: what does Ulla think about that?
[05:29] <T-None> i wonder what country isn't retarded, according to fabbione :}
[05:30] <zul> canada? :)
[05:32] <fabbione> Mithrandir: she is not happy but hounestly i am really really fedup about a series of events
[05:33] <fabbione> that are really pushing me away from here
[05:33] <T-None> fabbione: the borg has you, you'll be assimilated. The EU rules it all :P
[05:35] <fabbione> T-None: die
[05:35] <T-None> no way
[05:38] <fabbione> drivers-cdrom-cm206_sli-cli-cleanup.dpatch
[05:38] <fabbione> zul did you add this patch?
[05:39] <zul> yeah i didnt remove it
[05:39] <fabbione> does it need to stay or should be killed?
[05:39] <zul> from my archive i was experimenting with something
[05:39] <fabbione> ok
[05:39] <zul> bbl...lunch
[05:40] <zul> kill it
[05:40] <fabbione> baz commit -s'Super general cleanup'
[05:57] <fabbione> zul: ok.. i think i have done a bunch of stuff
[05:57] <fabbione> you can merge now
[07:19] <zul> cool...you should get better though get some rest
[07:21] <fabbione> i need to wait my wife phone call
[07:21] <fabbione> so that i can go and pick her up at the hospital
[07:26] <zul> ah
[07:27] <zul> sucky
[07:28] <fabbione> humpf... 12rc3 is totally broken on sparc
[07:28] <fabbione> zul: it sucks because my wife can't use her brain
[07:29] <zul> that is just women in general...er...no..women around here ?
[07:43] <jbailey> Mithrandir: *poke*
[07:49] <Mithrandir> jbailey: moo
[07:50] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Did you wind up getting my message about amd64-libs-dev last night?  I got a note saying it couldn't be delivered within 4 hours.
[07:56] <Mithrandir> jbailey: no, didn't see that
[07:58] <jbailey> Ah, okay.  The basic thing is looking at amd64-libs and wondering if the includes files in there can do multilibish things.
[07:58] <jbailey> Right now it diverts header files and puts wrappers on them.
[07:58] <jbailey> All sorts of nastiness in there.
[07:58] <Mithrandir> NFI; I don't know anything about amd64-libs. :)
[07:59] <jbailey> It's essentially the same as i386-libs.
[07:59] <jbailey> Didn't you do that one?
[07:59] <Mithrandir> ia32-libs, yes.
[07:59] <jbailey> (I think it's based off the same code, but I might have misunderstood)
[07:59] <Mithrandir> it is, but ia32-libs doesn't wrap headers and similar evilness
[07:59] <jbailey> Oh, hmm.
[08:00] <jbailey> How do you handle include file conflicts there?
[08:00] <Mithrandir> I'm in a meeting, can I talk to you a bit later?
[08:01] <jbailey> No worries, I'll be around for a while.
[08:06] <Mithrandir> back
[08:06] <Mithrandir> (it was just the end of the meeting)
[08:06] <jbailey> No worries. =)
[08:06] <jbailey> I'm not running out of things to do either way.
[08:07] <Mithrandir> it just doesn't ship them; ia32-libs-dev is there just to make it possible to build cross-compilers
[08:08] <jbailey> Ah.
[08:08] <jbailey> amd64-libs seems to exist to make it possible to run and build amd64 apps when you have on i386 system installed on a real amd64.
[08:09] <Mithrandir> yeah
[08:09] <Mithrandir> I think that's complete and utter crack.
[08:10] <jbailey> It's in main, so someone has a use for it.
[08:10] <Mithrandir> yes, gcc to build a cross compiler. :)
[08:10] <jbailey> Ah.
[08:10] <jbailey> Joy.
[08:10] <jbailey> Yeah, nothing else acc. to apt-cache rdepends.
[08:11] <jbailey> So I may as well just work with doko to find a sane solution for this.
[08:12] <Mithrandir> go ahead, but please talk to drow too, since he's the maintainer in Debian
[08:12] <jbailey> My thought is basically to stuff the new include files in /usr/x86_64-linux/include and get gcc -m64 to look there instead of in i486-linux.
[08:12] <jbailey> drow said he doesn't care.
[08:12] <jbailey> He wants to package to go away and welcoms any solutions that improve it.
[08:13] <jbailey> Right. =)
[08:13] <jbailey> This is a half solution - at least it would be putting all the stuff in the place they'd be if there were multiarch then
[08:14] <Mithrandir> not really; they'll go to /usr/include/$arch, but stuffing it in the crosscompile directory for now is fine
[08:15] <jbailey> I was looking at this: http://raw.no/debian/amd64-multiarch-2
[08:15] <jbailey> I thought you recommended /usr/x86_64-linux/include in there...
[08:16] <Mithrandir> look at -3
[08:16] <jbailey> Bah
[08:16] <jbailey> This is what google gave me. =)
[08:17] <Mithrandir> heh :)
[08:17] <Mithrandir> can't _always_ trust google
[08:17] <jbailey> But...
[08:17] <jbailey> But...
[08:17] <jbailey> Googles 0wns my brain.
[08:17] <Mithrandir> heh
[08:18] <jbailey> Hmm.
[08:18] <jbailey> Doko claims that the multiarch stuff is in gcc-4
[08:19] <Mithrandir> it is, but not the current version, I believe?
[08:19] <Mithrandir> doko: have you pulled the patches off my arch mirror or are they based on Snow-Man's patches?
[08:19] <jbailey> Not that I see, but I assumed I was confused.
[08:20] <jbailey> doko: Just chatting about the amd64-libs, and the fact that dpkg-diverting existing include files sucks.
[08:20] <doko> Mithrandir: that's the patch you sent me ages ago ...
[08:21] <jbailey> doko: Do you expect "gcc -m64" to look at multiarch directories now?
[08:21] <doko> no, the patch is not enabled, and untested.
[08:22] <Mithrandir> doko: if you could look at the mulitarch patches from http://arch.err.no/index.cgi/tfheen@idi.ntnu.no--2005, that'd be nice.
[08:23] <jbailey> I'm not sure where to go with this.  amd64-libs looks like it's only needed for building a cheap biarch compiler on i386.
[08:23] <jbailey> I can fix linux-kernel-headers so that it makes all the headers properly biarch like it does with ppc{64} and sparc{64}
[08:24] <jbailey> Then I have to do extra hackery in amd64-libs to make sure that it removes all the diversions.
[08:24] <doko> jbailey: the compiler is used to build a 64bit kernel on i386
[08:24] <jbailey> But if I could just move all the headers to the right place for multiarch and do away with the diversions permanently, I'd be quite happy.
[08:25] <jbailey> I say this mostly because if someone tries to install this package now, it does a whole bunch of diverts, then fails to install and doesn't undo the diverts.
[08:25] <jbailey> I'd hate to thing of how many systems will have that suckage now.
[08:25] <jbailey> s/thing/think/
[08:27] <doko> hmm, who of you can/wants to test the multiarch setup? I definitely do not have the time, preparing the C++ transition.
[08:28] <jbailey> I don't have reasonable access to an amd64 system (Where reasonable access is the ability to install whatever gcc doko wants)
[08:29] <Mithrandir> I can do it reasonably easy.
[08:31] <doko> how much work is it to prepare the headers as they exist for  sparc{64} ?
[08:31] <jbailey> For linux-kernel-headers?  Almost none, a couple lines in a config file I think.
[08:31] <jbailey> The kernel sees them as two separate archs, and I just feed the names to a script.
[08:32] <jbailey> That'll at least get everything installable again.
[08:33] <doko> when do you think, you'll have something working (something = installs, let's GCC bootstrap biarch)
[08:35] <jbailey> Mmm..  60-90 minutes?  Should be quicker, but I have a habit of underestimating.
[08:38] <doko> heh, then I'll wait with an upload ;)
[08:40] <doko> jbailey: btw, gcc-3.3.6 fails to bootstrap ada in breezy, works in hoary ...
[08:40] <jbailey> doko: Do you have the error handy?
[08:42] <doko> jbailey: no, not anymore, but it fails early.
[08:43] <jbailey> Interesting.  lkh already has this for x86_64
[08:43] <jbailey> But not for i386
[08:48] <jbailey> gcc -m64 -E -dD - </dev/null | grep 64
[08:48] <jbailey> cc1: sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in
[08:49] <jbailey> Ah, gcc-3.4 has it.
[08:51] <doko> you're on hoary?
[08:51] <jbailey> I'm in the hoary chroot on concordia.
[08:52] <jbailey> I don't have an amd64 box.
[08:52] <jbailey> I was pretty certain hoary-i386 would be properly biarch setup there.
[08:56] <doko> not gcc-3.3, gcc-3.4 only
[08:58] <jbailey> Stretch break while this builds, bbias
[09:04] <jbailey> lkh uploading
[09:19] <jbailey> Building and uploading a second time source only.
[09:19] <jbailey> *sigh*
[09:29] <dilinger> jbailey: you should examine some cdbs goodness
[09:30] <dilinger> i'd like comments and stuff
[09:32] <jbailey> dilinger: Cool.  Mind if it's tomorrow?
[09:32] <dilinger> sure
[09:32] <dilinger> i didn't mean now
[09:32] <dilinger> i meant, like.. before i start hacking on it again :)
[09:32] <jbailey> *lol* 
[09:38] <dilinger> we *must* get everyone using cdbs/simple-patchsys
[09:38] <dilinger> stuff like maildrop and openafs is killing me
[09:38] <dilinger> random crap scattered all over the diff.gz.. no explanation what it's there for..
[09:42] <jbailey> dilinger: Did youread the wig and penn proposal?
[09:43] <jbailey> I'd be content with that, too.
[09:44] <dilinger> the what?
[09:45] <jbailey> http://www.dpkg.org/NewSourceFormat
[09:49] <kylem> bah. is dpkg.org ipv6 screwed up again/
[09:56] <jbailey> Bah.
[09:56] <jbailey> Apparently I had eaten it in a fairly serious way.
[09:58] <zul> bah...oclug mailing list
[10:02] <kylem> zul, why do you read that shite?
[10:05] <zul> because im bored at work
[10:05] <kylem> heh.
[10:05] <zul> and lessons on how not to shoot myself in the foot
[10:07] <zul> for the curious http://oclug.on.ca/archives/oclug/2005-May/045385.html
[10:13] <jbailey> Ah.  Gotta love the lugs. =)
[10:14] <zul> there is a bunch of crackpots in ottawa
[10:14] <jbailey> Hmm.
[10:14] <jbailey> The lkh upload should've had a conflicts against the older amd64-libs package.
[10:14] <zul> including me, kylem and willy :)
[10:14] <kylem> the linux@ list is supposed to be saner, but we've not managed to get anyone using it.
[10:14] <kylem> heh, i'm on the /board/ of this crazy crackfest.
[10:14] <kylem> zul, did you come out last night?
[10:15] <zul> kylem: nope i was still kind of sick from monday
[10:15] <kylem> zul, fairy nuff, i skipped out right after the meeting, so i was going to apologize for not looking for you 8)
[10:15] <zul> meh...:)
[10:15] <zul> no big deal
[10:17] <jbailey> doko: There?
[10:23] <zul> later
[10:45] <jbailey> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/amd64-libs-dev_1.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:45] <jbailey> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/amd64-libs_1.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:46] <jbailey> doko: Untested beyond the fact that it installs.
[10:46] <jbailey> doko: Between this and the new lkh, though, you ought to have pieces that actually all install.
[11:30] <fabbione> hey keep your multicrap crack out of here :)
[11:31] <fabbione> anyway dinner time
[11:32] <fabbione> i might pass by tomorrow