[12:06] anyone able to review a package [12:06] that has some time now? [12:06] put it on MOTUTodo please [12:10] well it is on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview [12:10] yes [12:10] great. === zorglub_ [~zorglub@wahe.diwi.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] tseng: could you review it? my package is radmind [12:17] is there a reason you put yours ahead of everyone elses [12:18] no I figured that it should be added to the top of the list ? [12:18] they are ordered by date [12:18] or should it be the bottom? [12:18] o ok then let me fix it then [12:19] first thing to fix, you dont need to patch the makefile to install a manpage [12:20] you can use debian/manpages from debhelper [12:20] if you do want to patch files in the future, use dpatch, changes in diff.gz should only be for debian/ [12:20] ok [12:21] likewise the manpage should be in debian/ [12:21] until its merged upstream [12:22] you should definately not have stuff in there for config.sub [12:23] and all that autotools crud [12:25] 80% of your diff.gz is extraneous crap, did you not make clean at some point? [12:25] anyway make the fixes I said, and cp debian/ into a clean source tree [12:25] and rebuild the package [12:25] ok [12:25] off to walk the dog. [12:25] I def didn't cp the debian/ [12:25] no [12:26] thats what you have to do to remove this crap [12:26] o ok that is easy enough [12:26] unpack the tarball fresh and cp debian [12:26] to get a clean diff [12:26] o ok cool so start from scratch with my tweaks in debian/ [12:26] that will fix all the problems? [12:26] yes [12:27] well, this problem [12:27] cool so are you going to be around later [12:27] your build-depends looks awfully short, no idea if its acurate [12:27] maybe. [12:27] ok I will ping you [12:27] ping the channel. [12:27] should be done after I get home [12:28] k === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.135.95] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NigelS [nigel@xdev.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] tseng: ok I repackaged it and add the manpage properly [01:45] let me know what else if anything I need to fix [01:45] you need 2 other people to look at it [02:12] 2 other people? don't I need 3 for new packages and 1 for already build packages [02:25] jabra: yes? 1 + 2 = 3 [02:27] maybe I misunderstood [02:28] but it looks acceptable to you? === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] I gave you my comments, go to your next person [03:14] im so tired [03:15] thanks [03:20] gah, already bugs in malone asking for mono apps to be built for amd64 now [03:20] um [03:21] annoying [03:22] anyone know how good the support for the alpha is for ubuntu [03:22] jabra, umm, nonexistant? [03:22] there is none [03:23] thought there was but it was unofficial [03:23] if you can confuse alpha with sparc or ia64 [03:23] no [03:23] yes [03:23] maybe [03:24] no I had definatly had read that alpha was unoffically supported [03:24] wait it was sparc [03:25] sigh. 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[10:30] p0m: freenode is worse than darker sometimes ;) [10:30] Treenaks_: To be honest, I'd say darker's stabler ;) [10:31] morning all === Kaloz [~kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ [~ajmitch@port162-41.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c197026.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === desplesda [~desplesda@83.243.132.203.in-addr.wholesaledsl.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] res [12:26] <\sh> morning guys === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-193-220.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium_ [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-16.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-109.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === emmanuel [~manu@ch1pacaud.campus.univ-poitiers.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] Hi. [03:50] How do we report a bug against an universe package ? [03:51] <\sh> malone [03:51] emmanuel, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone [03:51] Ok. Thanks. === tseng|work [~ccc27a01@sls-eb20p9.dca2.superb.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] Hi tseng|work === ogra [~ogra@p5089E277.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] hi tritium, ogra [04:02] hey tseng|work [04:02] hi ogra [04:04] hi tseng, ogra, tritium_ [04:04] Hello, Mithrandir :) [04:04] hi :D [04:04] how is your firefox [04:05] he's fine. Got a keyring and all [04:05] and he's Karianne's, not mine, really [04:06] of course [04:07] hmm, no libgtk-cil on amd64 yet.... [04:08] libgtk-cil was reject [04:08] libgtk2-cil ftbfs for now [04:08] needs libgda transition [04:09] i went in the keyring this morning, so ill try and get the rejected stuff fixed [04:09] it got wonky when aj tried to resign it [04:09] ogra: most of the stuff is arch all or any, just needs a quick repack [04:10] what happens when you try to install it? [04:10] yeah, that what i thought [04:10] it used to fail on no mono-jit or mono-mint available [04:10] what happens now? [04:10] E: Package libgtk-cil has no installation candidate [04:10] huh [04:11] Package libgtk-cil is not available, but is referred to by another package. [04:11] ok, we'll see what happens on the next build, since mono is installable on the buildd now [04:12] can you install.. libgecko2-cil ? [04:12] E: Couldn't find package libgecko2-cil [04:12] not yet.... [04:13] but there is already a lot of mono stuff in the archive [04:13] yes [04:13] bwar gecko has the libgda problem also [04:13] so i'll wait in patience .... or help testing where i can [04:13] thanks dude === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thully [~thully@wuser20-league.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] hi - is this where I request packages for breezy's universe/multiverse? === ogra [~ogra@p5089E277.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] hey ogra [05:10] hi zul [05:12] hi - where do I request additions to universe/multiverse? I'm interested in some extra gstreamer plugins/some apps compiled with AAC support [05:12] thully, UniverseCandidates on the wiki for now [05:13] OK - I'm unable to package them (in fact I'm running Hoary now for stability purposes) but I'd like to see them in the next release if possible [05:13] also - is that for multiverse as well? [05:13] depends on the license, i'm not sure about AAC [05:13] yep [05:14] I think AAC must be OK, since faad and faac are already in multiverse [05:14] Just not the gstreamer plugins - same with lame [05:15] ah, ok....just put it on the wikipage [05:16] I guess the gstreamer stuff is already up there (I think I requested it a long time ago, and it somehow made it up there) - I'll just add gtkpod-aac up there [05:17] Also, do you think pymusique is reasonable for multiverse, or is there too many problems with that (issues with the iTunes EULA mostly) [05:18] hmm, no idea... [05:18] ...probably something to ask a lawyer about [05:18] OK - never mind with that one [05:25] maybe I'll put it up there and note any possible issues with packaging it [05:26] thully, you'll have to sing the Ohio State fight song before we package it ;) [05:27] nah, just kidding :) === terje [~joem@vampira.scare.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thully [~thully@wuser20-league.umnet.umich.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === encolpe [~encolpe@pilot.net2.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelli [~john@61e6e5117c2bec85.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] ciao [06:13] ogra: ding === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0882.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] hi === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] res [06:35] i have three packages for universe if that's ok? [06:35] quodlibet, quodlibet-ext and python-flac [06:36] quodlibet is music player, something like rhythmbox [06:42] http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu is URL if anyone interested [06:43] ivoks, put it on the wiki please... on the "to review" page [06:44] ok === Danten [~danten@h46n4c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] ok, bye guys... === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.155] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] tseng: hm, how's beagle coming along? === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:25] Hello [07:27] hi bddebian [07:27] Howdy tritium_! How are you today? === abelli [~john@90c34e3ae91c4dfc.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] Pretty good, thanks. How about you, bddebian ? [07:28] ciao [07:28] ogra: re-ding, im sorry. [07:28] tritium_: Not too bad, thanks [07:29] Good. === jon1012 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-51-58.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:35] helllo [07:35] I'm an applicatio developper, and would like to find someone kind enough to package my app for ubuntu :) [07:35] I'm the Appliworks (http://appliworks.jondesign.net) maintainer === hunger [~hunger@p54A65584.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] Hello jon1012 [07:37] hi bddebian [07:38] bddebian: do you know someone who can be interested in doing it ? [07:39] Is there any best practice on when to use which log_* in the start/stop scripts? [07:39] jon1012: I would say I would eventually but I am not an MOTU "yet" and I'm bogged at my "real" job right now.. :-( [07:40] bddebian: maybe you can do package some day and ask someone to include them in universe ? [07:40] bddebian: it's not urgent at all [07:40] bddebian: it's just that a lot of users have ubuntu... and having them recompile it is really a pain :( === hunger is not a MOTU either, but wonders what that app actually does. [07:41] hunger: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=836 [07:42] Oh... its gnome:-( [07:42] yeah gnome === hunger does not have gtk. [07:42] everything with gnome-vfs (net transparent), and DND, and bonobo lol... [07:43] jon1012, put it on the UniverseCandidates wikipage [07:43] abelli, dong ? [07:43] ogra: bonne jour mon ami. [07:43] ogra: hehe [07:43] ogra: how is life? how was udu? [07:43] ogra: tu es francais ? [07:43] jon1012, non [07:43] How can I find out who maintains a deb in universe? [07:43] abelli: you have to say "bonjour mon ami" ;) [07:43] jon1012, je suis allemand [07:44] ogra: oh ok [07:44] ogra: what are the universecandidates wiki pages ? [07:44] jon1012: ou la la. [07:44] ogra: I don't use ubuntu anymore [07:44] ogra: have you received those bothering emails by me? [07:44] abelli, udu was heavy work .... mataro was a boy scout camp in comparison [07:44] jon1012: bad .. [07:44] ogra: grrr :) [07:45] abelli: I'm a member of the foresight linux team ;) [07:45] jon1012, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates [07:45] ogra: cmon dude, mataro was special .. i was there. [07:45] abelli: but a lot of users have ubuntu, so I ask for an ubuntu package for appliworks lol [07:45] ogra: thanks :) [07:45] abelli, but not as much work at all.... [07:46] ogra: and the picture with you and mvo in the pool? ;-) [07:46] ok ill be back in 15 minutes .. [07:46] ogra: did you check ubm, ubuntu boot manager? === Nafallo is jealous on both the work and the pool, he might add :-) [07:47] Nafallo, that was the first day... [07:47] ogra: I don't have an account on the ubuntu wiki, could you add it ? (I would be very happy if you could :)) [07:47] jon1012, ok, i put it on my todo list [07:48] ogra: thank you really much [07:48] ogra: I'm still jealous :-P === jon1012 is not an ubuntu guy anymore lol === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:49] (even if ubuntu is nice) [07:49] jon1012, why did you drop it ? [07:49] (but apt-get beurk, conary is really better) [07:49] bwah, I'm a Foresight Desktop Linux guy... [07:49] I work a lot on this distro now :) [07:49] (I'm a member of the team) === ogra never heard of Foresight [07:50] since conary is a great package managing system === Nafallo either [07:50] ogra: http://www.foresightlinux.com [07:50] ogra: could you review my radmind package [07:50] abelli, put ubm on UniverseCandidates .... [07:51] for example with debian packages it takes hour to make packages, review them etc... with conary in 5 minutes a recipe (this is how we call the packages sources) is made and added in the repos. if it's accepted [07:52] jabra, i go through the to review wiki page regulary... so i will indeed eventually do it :) [07:52] (I'm Jonathan Schemoul, the art director and gnome devel. of foresight linux) [07:53] jon1012, how do you guys handle the apple patent issues with howl ? [07:54] ogra: well... for the moment we don't really know, but it will probably be passed in our extra european repositories loool [07:54] ogra: just like mp3 support and things like this [07:54] hmmm [07:54] http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/index.php?image=xlock.png [07:55] ogra: yeah a lot of users asked us something like this... we have worked a lot on it, and we even have round password stuff [07:55] ogra: cool thanks [07:56] you have worked a lot on what ? [07:57] on the xscreensaver stuff [07:58] could elaborate on that ? what exactly did you do, except changing the logo and colors [07:58] because the password where appearing as squares at first, so we worked to made it appear as round [07:58] and also yeah to put the colors and all [07:59] I am not the guy who made the C coding for this, but I'm the logo creator, so I did the xpm stuff [07:59] ogra: however thank you ubuntu guys forthe xlock work you did [07:59] youre welcome, it was my patch [08:00] jon1012: i was behing ogra, when he done that. [08:00] :) [08:00] oh thank you really much then [08:00] s/done/did [08:00] ogra: if you want we have our modifications on the conary repositories, a simple cvc co xscreensaver could give you the sourcecodes [08:01] well, i actually have a photo of him and mark working on the design. [08:01] jon1012, nope, no need for that... this patch will die in ubuntu for breezy.... we'll have a cooler solution by then [08:02] ogra: maybe we could work together on it... (I mean the person in the foresight team working on it and you) [08:03] keep it and spread it as you like ;) if he has questions he can mail me... [08:03] thanks :) [08:03] but beware, it wont work with the next upstream update anymore, upstream made to many changes in this code [08:03] ogra: have you done the patches to make it appear as round stuff instead of squares in ubuntu ? [08:04] (in foresight, xiaowen, the girl who was in charge of it, worked for hours to find the solution, and finally our xscreensaver is now working correctly) [08:04] yep, but you need a fully utf8 aware system and the right font for that, so the patch as it is can only work on a system configured like hoary... [08:05] oh ok :) [08:05] so that's why it didn't work directly, and now after our patches it works :) [08:05] good [08:06] ogra: have you received the mails from Ken Vandine about your patch ? he told me he sent you some mails about it === ogra digs hist 65000 mails.... [08:08] ah, yes, he sent one in the beginning of may... i somehow missed it, sorry.... === Nafallo is ashamed of the first version of his trafficshaping script with U32 as classifier :-P [08:11] How do I find out whom to contact about a universe deb? [08:11] ogra: I don't think he is angry :) no problem :) [08:11] hunger : sudo aptitude show packagename? [08:11] hunger, contact this channel [08:11] abelli: That is the debian maintainer. [08:12] ogra: So who is responsible for cryptsetup? [08:12] hunger, all motus care for all universe packages more or less... [08:12] hunger: right. what do you want to know? [08:12] hunger: ahh right. [08:12] hunger, some have favorites, but then the rest knows about it [08:13] abelli: I changed the initscript of that script and consider it to be better than what currently is there:-) [08:13] hunger, nobody... whats wrong with it ? [08:13] abelli: So I was wondering how to submit it for revision/inclusion. [08:13] hunger: why dont you contact the debian mantainer .. [08:13] it should be lsb-init clean [08:13] you will avoid work to motus [08:13] (your patch) [08:14] abelli: Because a) he does not respond and b) debian does not follow LSB. [08:14] ogra: lsb-init clean? [08:14] hunger: well ogra is surely more informed on facts than me. [08:14] yeah, follow the lsb ;) [08:15] ogra: Well, I can always sed s/log_blah_msg/echo/ ;-) [08:15] there are some standards for init scripts... they are used in all service start/stop scripts in main, but very rare in universe [08:15] ogra: right .. what about implementing in ubuntu the service status flag :)? [08:16] ogra: I noticed... and hated it;-) [08:16] fabio really had bad times with ub, [08:16] ..ubm [08:16] abelli: incidentally my cryptodisks supports "status";-) === tseng|work [~ccc27a01@sls-eb20p9.dca2.superb.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] hunger: just yours ... :((( [08:17] hunger: what is it all about. [08:17] abelli: Please look at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/563 [08:17] abelli: I had assumed a wishlist bug was appropriate, only to find out that I can not attach files. [08:18] oh man malone is starting to look nice [08:18] hunger: right [08:19] tseng|work: 19:18 < Mithrandir> tseng: hm, how's beagle coming along? === hunger does not yet grasp the idea behind malone. [08:19] Is it meant to be a not too feature complete bug tracker? ;-) [08:20] Mithrandir: just need to push the updated deps into universe [08:20] Mithrandir: and its ready to go [08:20] it was in NEW for hoary, but we vetoed it [08:20] rampant memory leaks are teh suck [08:21] tseng|work: ok; ETA of any kind? [08:21] alot of stuff should get done tonight [08:21] i cant promise beagle will be in it [08:22] ok, thanks [08:22] the last outstanding issue is, aj uploaded some stuff for me and the sigs are messed up, now im getting md5 conflicts like some diff.gz's are still around [08:22] if I dont run into that again, or get that cleared up [08:23] and get libgda sorted... [08:23] blah [08:23] we might not get gtk-sharp === terje [~joem@vampira.scare.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:25] zomg [08:25] sucks dude, maybe not today at all === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-123.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jon1012 [~jon@AMontsouris-151-1-51-58.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Unfrgive1 [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089E277.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium_ [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-16.ecn.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === herve [~herve@bar.oursours.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] evening [09:39] herve: evening :-) [09:48] <\sh> anybody has a clue here what 37000 british pounds are in euro? [09:50] <\sh> or is someone interessted to do php development in SW london for 37k pounds + bens? extreme programming experience is a ++ [09:50] \sh, yahoo finance [09:50] <\sh> ah well [09:50] <\sh> ca. 54k euro too less for london [09:50] http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/ [09:51] <\sh> so i have to say no...anybody up for it? === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.155] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] england? no thanks :-) [09:53] <\sh> herve: hehe... [09:55] \sh, it's free of "taxes" ? [09:55] I don't know the accoutancy term in Enlighs [09:55] <\sh> herve: don't think so...I think i have to pay taxes in london then and in germany [09:56] I don't think we're talking about the same taxes === rem_ [~rem@adsl-137-223-bs2.tiscali.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] to roughly translate French terms, there are the "raw" wages and after the social loads [09:58] because that's a nice salary, even enough to live in paris [09:58] <\sh> herve: hmm...there is a tax law, if i'm right, that if I work in a foreign country, I have to stay at least one year there, then I don't need to pay my social and income tax here in germany [09:58] <\sh> herve: in london u have to pay at least twice the price as in munich :) [09:58] \sh, ho right, I just realised you're german, not english :-) [09:59] <\sh> herve: I'm not proud of it, but's the truth :) [10:00] i certainly hope you're kidding :-) [10:01] <\sh> herve: well...I'm not proud to be a german :) [10:02] <\sh> i will write my headhunter "sorry, no, not much for living in london" ;) [10:02] \sh, you should, I'd like to be german if not french [10:05] <\sh> herve: well, I only like "Goethe" and "Schiller" but the rest, forget about that :) [10:05] <\sh> oh ok, prof. weizenbaum indeed i like too :) [10:07] <\sh> einstein was more amerikan then german, wernher von braun was a nazibastard, even he brought the american into space ;) [10:08] einstein was german? [10:08] <\sh> sure he was === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.91.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] uh yeah [10:08] rez [10:09] <\sh> herve: u think he was swiss? [10:09] \sh, sure he was from the east, from my point of view, but couldn't remember [10:10] hi GheRivero [10:10] \sh, yes I know he worked in zurich [10:10] my father worked in kenya doesnt mean he was kenyan [10:10] <\sh> herve: einstein was german, moved to zurich and than back to germany, and was being pushed to america cause of the nazis [10:11] yes I remember now [10:11] <\sh> in america he was accused to be a communist [10:11] for the history: I never said he was swiss! [10:11] <\sh> herve: nono :) i never said this :) but most of the people think he comes from switzerland ;) [10:12] <\sh> herve: right now, 2005 == einsteinjahr (year of einstein) here in germany...:) [10:12] <\sh> 2067 == wernher von braun year ;) [10:13] there's a valuable typography heritage in germany [10:13] tritium: heya [10:13] tritium: my presentation for the LSM got accepted [10:13] tritium: [10:13] <\sh> anyways...I have to choose between einstein or ratzinger.. einstein, the man who invented e=mc^2 or papa ratzi, formerly known as the german pope after 482 years ;) [10:14] trulux, you come to the lsm ?? [10:14] herve: A presentation of mine got accepted for the Security mini-conf [10:14] herve: if everything goes well, I'll do [10:14] and we could meet :-) [10:14] I need to clarify some things, put up some clear stuff and we'll be done [10:14] herve: sure!! [10:15] sivang is not here :( [10:15] <\sh> ok..g'night guys...have work to do at 4:00am in our office [10:16] night [10:16] I can understand [10:16] i woke up at 5 [10:16] \sh: sleep well [10:16] herve: shit... [10:16] and spent half the day in trains [10:17] trulux, I'll speak spanish :-p [10:17] herve: why? [10:17] haven't done for so long [10:17] herve: hah, OK [10:17] but note that I need to clarify some things [10:18] I'm still not sure if I will be able to go [10:18] i can't really help you for the accomodations [10:18] but if you need to, i'll see what i can do [10:19] herve: I'll ask Axelle, she knows Serge Hallyn, who has worked with me and helped with many things, so, I may be able to get something [10:19] herve: thanks in advance === dholbach [~daniel@td9091d86.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] hey === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.155] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] hi dholbach [10:29] hey herve [10:36] dholbach: hi there :-) [10:37] dholbach: im here [10:38] abelli: even better [10:38] :) [10:38] dholbach: so that page is on the wiki? [10:38] abelli: as i said: i'm terribly busy atm, have to finish my thesis in 3 months [10:39] abelli: but if i find the time, i'd be happy to review your package or help you, if you run into trouble [10:39] yes, wiki.ubuntu.com [10:39] ok .. [10:39] thesis, what about? [10:39] dholbach: ill bother ogra .. no probs :) [10:40] server and client library for storage of user preferences [10:40] but will you gain to get ubm in? [10:40] dholbach: what framework? [10:40] gain? [10:40] framework? [10:41] abelli, if its packaged ok, we'll get it in universe, dont worry [10:41] ogra: :)))))) [10:41] dholbach: those libraries .. [10:41] that reminds me, I'll ask for a review soon [10:41] dholbach: how do they work. [10:42] that's the point of his thesis he hasn't written yet ;-) [10:42] abelli: i wrote the server already and the library will make the requests to the server [10:42] c? [10:43] the server is c++ and the library will be in C [10:43] gpl ? :) [10:43] does somebody have the strange BUG that the screen turns blank every few seconds? [10:44] *GRRR* [10:44] ogra: the problem is (im clearly joking, put your combat knife back .. im too young for it) .. when? [10:44] and NO: the problem is not that i have a screensaver interval of 10 seconds [10:44] yes, gpl and lgpl [10:44] dholbach, check how your cable is connected [10:45] abelli, before breezy indeed.... [10:45] ogra: :) which is tomorrow or the day after tomorrow ? :D [10:45] abelli, you'll see [10:45] abelli: did you see the new photos on the antenna "indoor"? [10:46] trulux: i just got in because the frenchy .. is writing some emails .. [10:46] trulux: ive got the logs, and hopefully your mail .. ill do it .. thank you very much. [10:46] s/frenchy/my girl friend [10:46] abelli: frenchy? do you mean the girlie :)? [10:46] abelli: hah [10:47] abelli: my pleasure, I hope you good luck and fun with the antenna [10:47] trulux: don't worry ill be back to you soon, with antenna's, tarzan, monkeys, lions.. [10:47] abelli: haha, no problem, bene! [10:48] ;) [10:48] we want to be anonymous .. because we have a mind .. and we want to be judged for what we are and not what we look like ... ;) [10:49] herve: mm i can't see since .. i think my hoary is stable enough .. im not going to do any upgrade. [10:49] even if .. if i want to bother trulux, pitti && company .. i need to have it running .. === tritium_ [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-16.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] trulux: qemu or uml? [10:50] abelli: VMWare ;P [10:50] never :) [10:50] bbl, dinner smelling damn good [10:50]