[12:06] <jabra> anyone able to review a package
[12:06] <jabra> that has some time now?
[12:06] <tseng> put it on MOTUTodo please
[12:10] <jabra> well it is on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview
[12:10] <tseng> yes
[12:10] <tseng> great.
[12:16] <jabra> tseng: could you review it? my package is radmind
[12:17] <tseng> is there a reason you put yours ahead of everyone elses
[12:18] <jabra> no I figured that it should be added to the top of the list ?
[12:18] <tseng> they are ordered by date
[12:18] <jabra> or should it be the bottom?
[12:18] <jabra> o ok then let me fix it then
[12:19] <tseng> first thing to fix, you dont need to patch the makefile to install a manpage
[12:20] <tseng> you can use debian/manpages from debhelper
[12:20] <tseng> if you do want to patch files in the future, use dpatch, changes in diff.gz should only be for debian/
[12:20] <jabra> ok
[12:21] <tseng> likewise the manpage should be in debian/
[12:21] <tseng> until its merged upstream
[12:22] <tseng> you should definately not have stuff in there for config.sub
[12:23] <tseng> and all that autotools crud
[12:25] <tseng> 80% of your diff.gz is extraneous crap, did you not make clean at some point?
[12:25] <tseng> anyway make the fixes I said, and cp debian/ into a clean source tree
[12:25] <tseng> and rebuild the package
[12:25] <jabra> ok
[12:25] <tseng> off to walk the dog.
[12:25] <jabra> I def didn't cp the debian/
[12:25] <tseng> no
[12:26] <tseng> thats what you have to do to remove this crap
[12:26] <jabra> o ok that is easy enough
[12:26] <tseng> unpack the tarball fresh and cp debian
[12:26] <tseng> to get a clean diff
[12:26] <jabra> o ok cool so start from scratch with my tweaks in debian/
[12:26] <jabra> that will fix all the problems?
[12:26] <tseng> yes
[12:27] <tseng> well, this problem
[12:27] <jabra> cool so are you going to be around later
[12:27] <tseng> your build-depends looks awfully short, no idea if its acurate
[12:27] <tseng> maybe.
[12:27] <jabra> ok I will ping you
[12:27] <tseng> ping the channel.
[12:27] <jabra> should be done after I get home
[12:28] <jabra> k
[01:44] <jabra> tseng: ok I repackaged it and add the manpage properly
[01:45] <jabra> let me know what else if anything I need to fix
[01:45] <tseng> you need 2 other people to look at it
[02:12] <jabra> 2 other people? don't I need 3 for new packages and 1 for already build packages
[02:25] <tseng> jabra: yes? 1 + 2 = 3
[02:27] <jabra> maybe I misunderstood
[02:28] <jabra> but it looks acceptable to you?
[03:14] <tseng> I gave you my comments, go to your next person
[03:14] <tseng> im so tired
[03:15] <jabra> thanks
[03:20] <ajmitch_> gah, already bugs in malone asking for mono apps to be built for amd64 now
[03:20] <tseng> um
[03:21] <tseng> annoying
[03:22] <jabra> anyone know how good the support for the alpha is for ubuntu
[03:22] <mjr> jabra, umm, nonexistant?
[03:22] <tseng> there is none
[03:23] <jabra> thought there was but it was  unofficial
[03:23] <tseng> if you can confuse alpha with sparc or ia64
[03:23] <jabra> no
[03:23] <tseng> yes
[03:23] <jabra> maybe
[03:24] <jabra> no I had definatly had read that alpha was unoffically supported
[03:24] <jabra> wait it was sparc
[03:25] <tseng> sigh.
[03:25] <jabra> nm
[10:17] <GheRivero> res
[10:25] <p0m> Helllo netsplit.
[10:30] <Treenaks_> p0m: freenode is worse than darker sometimes ;)
[10:30] <p0m> Treenaks_: To be honest, I'd say darker's stabler ;)
[10:31] <Nafallo> morning all
[11:14] <GheRivero> res
[12:26] <\sh> morning guys
[03:49] <emmanuel> Hi.
[03:50] <emmanuel> How do we report a bug against an universe package ?
[03:51] <\sh> malone
[03:51] <tritium_> emmanuel, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:51] <emmanuel> Ok. Thanks.
[03:59] <tritium_> Hi tseng|work
[04:02] <tseng|work> hi tritium, ogra
[04:02] <ogra> hey tseng|work
[04:02] <tritium_> hi ogra
[04:04] <Mithrandir> hi tseng, ogra, tritium_
[04:04] <tritium_> Hello, Mithrandir :)
[04:04] <tseng|work> hi :D
[04:04] <tseng|work> how is your firefox
[04:05] <Mithrandir> he's fine.  Got a keyring and all
[04:05] <Mithrandir> and he's Karianne's, not mine, really
[04:06] <tseng|work> of course
[04:07] <ogra> hmm, no libgtk-cil on amd64 yet....
[04:08] <tseng|work> libgtk-cil was reject
[04:08] <tseng|work> libgtk2-cil ftbfs for now
[04:08] <tseng|work> needs libgda transition
[04:09] <tseng|work> i went in the keyring this morning, so ill try and get the rejected stuff fixed
[04:09] <tseng|work> it got wonky when aj tried to resign it
[04:09] <tseng|work> ogra: most of the stuff is arch all or any, just needs a quick repack
[04:10] <tseng|work> what happens when you try to install it?
[04:10] <ogra> yeah, that what i thought
[04:10] <tseng|work> it used to fail on no mono-jit or mono-mint available
[04:10] <tseng|work> what happens now?
[04:10] <ogra> E: Package libgtk-cil has no installation candidate
[04:10] <tseng|work> huh
[04:11] <ogra> Package libgtk-cil is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:11] <tseng|work> ok, we'll see what happens on the next build, since mono is installable on the buildd now
[04:12] <tseng|work> can you install.. libgecko2-cil ?
[04:12] <ogra> E: Couldn't find package libgecko2-cil
[04:12] <ogra> not yet....
[04:13] <ogra> but there is already a lot of mono stuff in the archive
[04:13] <tseng|work> yes
[04:13] <tseng|work> bwar gecko has the libgda problem also
[04:13] <ogra> so i'll wait in patience .... or help testing where i can
[04:13] <tseng|work> thanks dude
[04:46] <thully> hi - is this where I request packages for breezy's universe/multiverse?
[05:10] <zul> hey ogra
[05:10] <ogra> hi zul
[05:12] <thully> hi - where do I request additions to universe/multiverse?  I'm interested in some extra gstreamer plugins/some apps compiled with AAC support
[05:12] <ogra> thully, UniverseCandidates on the wiki for now
[05:13] <thully> OK - I'm unable to package them (in fact I'm running Hoary now for stability purposes) but I'd like to see them in the next release if possible
[05:13] <thully> also - is that for multiverse as well?
[05:13] <ogra> depends on the license, i'm not sure about AAC
[05:13] <ogra> yep
[05:14] <thully> I think AAC must be OK, since faad and faac are already in multiverse
[05:14] <thully> Just not the gstreamer plugins - same with lame
[05:15] <ogra> ah, ok....just put it on the wikipage
[05:16] <thully> I guess the gstreamer stuff is already up there (I think I requested it a long time ago, and it somehow made it up there) - I'll just add gtkpod-aac up there
[05:17] <thully> Also, do you think pymusique is reasonable for multiverse, or is there too many problems with that (issues with the iTunes EULA mostly)
[05:18] <ogra> hmm, no idea...
[05:18] <ogra> ...probably something to ask a lawyer about
[05:18] <thully> OK - never mind with that one
[05:25] <thully> maybe I'll put it up there and note any possible issues with packaging it
[05:26] <tritium_> thully, you'll have to sing the Ohio State fight song before we package it ;)
[05:27] <tritium_> nah, just kidding :)
[06:13] <abelli> ciao
[06:13] <abelli> ogra: ding
[06:16] <ivoks> hi
[06:31] <GheRivero> res
[06:35] <ivoks> i have three packages for universe if that's ok?
[06:35] <ivoks> quodlibet, quodlibet-ext and python-flac
[06:36] <ivoks> quodlibet is music player, something like rhythmbox
[06:42] <ivoks> http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu is URL if anyone interested
[06:43] <ogra> ivoks, put it on the wiki please... on the "to review" page
[06:44] <ivoks> ok
[06:56] <ivoks> ok, bye guys...
[07:18] <Mithrandir> tseng: hm, how's beagle coming along?
[07:25] <bddebian> Hello
[07:27] <tritium_> hi bddebian
[07:27] <bddebian> Howdy tritium_!  How are you today?
[07:28] <tritium_> Pretty good, thanks.  How about you, bddebian ?
[07:28] <abelli> ciao
[07:28] <abelli> ogra: re-ding, im sorry.
[07:28] <bddebian> tritium_: Not too bad, thanks
[07:29] <tritium_> Good.
[07:35] <jon1012> helllo
[07:35] <jon1012> I'm an applicatio developper, and would like to find someone kind enough to package my app for ubuntu :)
[07:35] <jon1012> I'm the Appliworks (http://appliworks.jondesign.net) maintainer
[07:37] <bddebian> Hello jon1012
[07:37] <jon1012> hi bddebian
[07:38] <jon1012> bddebian: do you know someone who can be interested in doing it ?
[07:39] <hunger> Is there any best practice on when to use which log_* in the start/stop scripts?
[07:39] <bddebian> jon1012: I would say I would eventually but I am not an MOTU "yet" and I'm bogged at my "real" job right now.. :-(
[07:40] <jon1012> bddebian: maybe you can do package some day and ask someone to include them in universe ?
[07:40] <jon1012> bddebian: it's not urgent at all
[07:40] <jon1012> bddebian: it's just that a lot of users have ubuntu... and having them recompile it is really a pain :(
[07:41] <jon1012> hunger: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=836
[07:42] <hunger> Oh... its gnome:-(
[07:42] <jon1012> yeah gnome
[07:42] <jon1012> everything with gnome-vfs (net transparent), and DND, and bonobo lol...
[07:43] <ogra> jon1012, put it on the UniverseCandidates wikipage
[07:43] <ogra> abelli, dong ?
[07:43] <abelli> ogra: bonne jour mon ami.
[07:43] <bddebian> ogra: hehe
[07:43] <abelli> ogra: how is life? how was udu?
[07:43] <jon1012> ogra: tu es francais ?
[07:43] <ogra> jon1012, non
[07:43] <hunger> How can I find out who maintains a deb in universe?
[07:43] <jon1012> abelli: you have to say "bonjour mon ami" ;)
[07:43] <ogra> jon1012, je suis allemand
[07:44] <jon1012> ogra: oh ok
[07:44] <jon1012> ogra: what are the universecandidates wiki pages ?
[07:44] <abelli> jon1012: ou la la.
[07:44] <jon1012> ogra: I don't use ubuntu anymore
[07:44] <abelli> ogra: have you received those bothering emails by me?
[07:44] <ogra> abelli, udu was heavy work .... mataro was a boy scout camp in comparison
[07:44] <abelli> jon1012: bad ..
[07:44] <abelli> ogra: grrr :)
[07:45] <jon1012> abelli: I'm a member of the foresight linux team ;)
[07:45] <ogra> jon1012, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[07:45] <abelli> ogra: cmon dude, mataro was special .. i was there.
[07:45] <jon1012> abelli: but a lot of users have ubuntu, so I ask for an ubuntu package for appliworks lol
[07:45] <jon1012> ogra: thanks :)
[07:45] <ogra> abelli, but not as much work at all....
[07:46] <Nafallo> ogra: and the picture with you and mvo in the pool? ;-)
[07:46] <abelli> ok ill be back in 15 minutes ..
[07:46] <abelli> ogra: did you check ubm, ubuntu boot manager?
[07:47] <ogra> Nafallo, that was the first day...
[07:47] <jon1012> ogra: I don't have an account on the ubuntu wiki, could you add it ? (I would be very happy if you could :))
[07:47] <ogra> jon1012, ok, i put it on my todo list
[07:48] <jon1012> ogra: thank you really much
[07:48] <Nafallo> ogra: I'm still jealous :-P
[07:49] <jon1012> (even if ubuntu is nice)
[07:49] <ogra> jon1012, why did you drop it ?
[07:49] <jon1012> (but apt-get beurk, conary is really better)
[07:49] <jon1012> bwah, I'm a Foresight Desktop Linux guy...
[07:49] <jon1012> I work a lot on this distro now :)
[07:49] <jon1012> (I'm a member of the team)
[07:50] <jon1012> since conary is a great package managing system
[07:50] <jon1012> ogra: http://www.foresightlinux.com
[07:50] <jabra> ogra: could you review my radmind package
[07:50] <ogra> abelli, put ubm on UniverseCandidates ....
[07:51] <jon1012> for example with debian packages it takes hour to make packages, review them etc... with conary in 5 minutes a recipe (this is how we call the packages sources) is made and added in the repos. if it's accepted
[07:52] <ogra> jabra, i go through the to review wiki page regulary... so i will indeed eventually do it :)
[07:52] <jon1012> (I'm Jonathan Schemoul, the art director and gnome devel. of foresight linux)
[07:53] <ogra> jon1012, how do you guys handle the apple patent issues with howl ?
[07:54] <jon1012> ogra: well... for the moment we don't really know, but it will probably be passed in our extra european repositories loool
[07:54] <jon1012> ogra: just like mp3 support and things like this
[07:54] <ogra> hmmm
[07:54] <ogra> http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/index.php?image=xlock.png
[07:55] <jon1012> ogra: yeah a lot of users asked us something like this... we have worked a lot on it, and we even have round password stuff
[07:55] <jabra> ogra: cool thanks
[07:56] <ogra> you have worked a lot on what ?
[07:57] <jon1012> on the xscreensaver stuff
[07:58] <ogra> could elaborate on that ? what exactly did you do, except changing the logo and colors
[07:58] <jon1012> because the password where appearing as squares at first, so we worked to made it appear as round
[07:58] <jon1012> and also yeah to put the colors and all
[07:59] <jon1012> I am not the guy who made the C coding for this, but I'm the logo creator, so I did the xpm stuff
[07:59] <jon1012> ogra: however thank you ubuntu guys forthe xlock work you did
[07:59] <ogra> youre welcome, it was my patch
[08:00] <abelli> jon1012: i was behing ogra, when he done that.
[08:00] <abelli> :)
[08:00] <jon1012> oh thank you really much then
[08:00] <abelli> s/done/did
[08:00] <jon1012> ogra: if you want we have our modifications on the conary repositories, a simple cvc co xscreensaver could give you the sourcecodes
[08:01] <abelli> well, i actually have a photo of him and mark working on the design.
[08:01] <ogra> jon1012, nope, no need for that... this patch will die in ubuntu for breezy.... we'll have a cooler solution by then
[08:02] <jon1012> ogra: maybe we could work together on it... (I mean the person in the foresight team working on it and you)
[08:03] <ogra> keep it and spread it as you like ;) if he has questions he can mail me...
[08:03] <jon1012> thanks :)
[08:03] <ogra> but beware, it wont work with the next upstream update anymore, upstream made to many changes in this code
[08:03] <jon1012> ogra: have you done the patches to make it appear as round stuff instead of squares in ubuntu ?
[08:04] <jon1012> (in foresight, xiaowen, the girl who was in charge of it, worked for hours to find the solution, and finally our xscreensaver is now working correctly)
[08:04] <ogra> yep, but you need a fully utf8 aware system and the right font for that, so the patch as it is can only work on a system configured like hoary...
[08:05] <jon1012> oh ok :)
[08:05] <jon1012> so that's why it didn't work directly, and now after our patches it works :)
[08:05] <ogra> good
[08:06] <jon1012> ogra: have you received the mails from Ken Vandine about your patch ? he told me he sent you some mails about it
[08:08] <ogra> ah, yes, he sent one in the beginning of may... i somehow missed it, sorry....
[08:11] <hunger> How do I find out whom to contact about a universe deb?
[08:11] <jon1012> ogra: I don't think he is angry :) no problem :)
[08:11] <abelli> hunger : sudo aptitude show packagename?
[08:11] <ogra> hunger, contact this channel
[08:11] <hunger> abelli: That is the debian maintainer.
[08:12] <hunger> ogra: So who is responsible for cryptsetup?
[08:12] <ogra> hunger, all motus care for all universe packages more or less...
[08:12] <abelli> hunger: right. what do you want to know?
[08:12] <abelli> hunger: ahh right.
[08:12] <ogra> hunger, some have favorites, but then the rest knows about it
[08:13] <hunger> abelli: I changed the initscript of that script and consider it to be better than what currently is there:-)
[08:13] <ogra> hunger, nobody... whats wrong with it ?
[08:13] <hunger> abelli: So I was wondering how to submit it for revision/inclusion.
[08:13] <abelli> hunger: why dont you contact the debian mantainer ..
[08:13] <ogra> it should be lsb-init clean
[08:13] <abelli> you will avoid work to motus
[08:13] <ogra> (your patch)
[08:14] <hunger> abelli: Because a) he does not respond and b) debian does not follow LSB.
[08:14] <hunger> ogra: lsb-init clean?
[08:14] <abelli> hunger: well ogra is surely more informed on facts than me.
[08:14] <ogra> yeah, follow the lsb ;)
[08:15] <hunger> ogra: Well, I can always sed s/log_blah_msg/echo/ ;-)
[08:15] <ogra> there are some standards for init scripts... they are used in all service start/stop scripts in main, but very rare in universe
[08:15] <abelli> ogra: right .. what about implementing in ubuntu the service status flag :)?
[08:16] <hunger> ogra: I noticed... and hated it;-)
[08:16] <abelli> fabio really had bad times with ub,
[08:16] <abelli> ..ubm
[08:16] <hunger> abelli: incidentally my cryptodisks supports "status";-)
[08:17] <abelli> hunger: just yours ... :(((
[08:17] <abelli> hunger: what is it all about.
[08:17] <hunger> abelli: Please look at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/563
[08:17] <hunger> abelli: I had assumed a wishlist bug was appropriate, only to find out that I can not attach files.
[08:18] <tseng|work> oh man malone is starting to look nice
[08:18] <abelli> hunger: right
[08:19] <Mithrandir> tseng|work: 19:18 < Mithrandir> tseng: hm, how's beagle coming along?
[08:19] <hunger> Is it meant to be a not too feature complete bug tracker? ;-)
[08:20] <tseng|work> Mithrandir: just need to push the updated deps into universe
[08:20] <tseng|work> Mithrandir: and its ready to go
[08:20] <tseng|work> it was in NEW for hoary, but we vetoed it
[08:20] <tseng|work> rampant memory leaks are teh suck
[08:21] <Mithrandir> tseng|work: ok; ETA of any kind?
[08:21] <tseng|work> alot of stuff should get done tonight
[08:21] <tseng|work> i cant promise beagle will be in it
[08:22] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks
[08:22] <tseng|work> the last outstanding issue is, aj uploaded some stuff for me and the sigs are messed up, now im getting md5 conflicts like some diff.gz's are still around
[08:22] <tseng|work> if I dont run into that again, or get that cleared up
[08:23] <tseng|work> and get libgda sorted...
[08:23] <tseng|work> blah
[08:23] <tseng|work> we might not get gtk-sharp
[08:25] <tseng|work> zomg
[08:25] <tseng|work> sucks dude, maybe not today at all
[09:38] <herve> evening
[09:39] <Nafallo> herve: evening :-)
[09:48] <\sh> anybody has a clue here what 37000 british pounds are in euro?
[09:50] <\sh> or is someone interessted to do php development in SW london for 37k pounds + bens? extreme programming experience is a ++
[09:50] <herve> \sh, yahoo finance
[09:50] <\sh> ah well
[09:50] <\sh> ca. 54k euro too less for london
[09:50] <Nafallo> http://daniel.haxx.se/currency/
[09:51] <\sh> so i have to say no...anybody up for it?
[09:52] <herve> england? no thanks :-)
[09:53] <\sh> herve: hehe...
[09:55] <herve> \sh, it's free of "taxes" ?
[09:55] <herve> I don't know the accoutancy term in Enlighs
[09:55] <\sh> herve: don't think so...I think i have to pay taxes in london then and in germany
[09:56] <herve> I don't think we're talking about the same taxes
[09:56] <herve> to roughly translate French terms, there are the "raw" wages and after the social loads
[09:58] <herve> because that's a nice salary, even enough to live in paris
[09:58] <\sh> herve: hmm...there is a tax law, if i'm right, that if I work in a foreign country, I have to stay at least one year there, then I don't need to pay my social and income tax here in germany
[09:58] <\sh> herve: in london u have to pay at least twice the price as in munich :)
[09:58] <herve> \sh, ho right, I just realised you're german, not english :-)
[09:59] <\sh> herve: I'm not proud of it, but's the truth :)
[10:00] <herve> i certainly hope you're kidding :-)
[10:01] <\sh> herve: well...I'm not proud to be a german :)
[10:02] <\sh> i will write my headhunter "sorry, no, not much for living in london" ;)
[10:02] <herve> \sh, you should, I'd like to be german if not french
[10:05] <\sh> herve: well, I only like "Goethe" and "Schiller" but the rest, forget about that :)
[10:05] <\sh> oh ok, prof. weizenbaum indeed i like too :)
[10:07] <\sh> einstein was more amerikan then german, wernher von braun was a nazibastard, even he brought the american into space ;)
[10:08] <herve> einstein was german?
[10:08] <\sh> sure he was
[10:08] <zul> uh yeah
[10:08] <GheRivero> rez
[10:09] <\sh> herve: u think he was swiss?
[10:09] <herve> \sh, sure he was from the east, from my point of view, but couldn't remember
[10:10] <herve> hi GheRivero
[10:10] <herve> \sh, yes I know he worked in zurich
[10:10] <zul> my father worked in kenya doesnt mean he was kenyan
[10:10] <\sh> herve: einstein was german, moved to zurich and than back to germany, and was being pushed to america cause of the nazis
[10:11] <herve> yes I remember now
[10:11] <\sh> in america he was accused to be a communist
[10:11] <herve> for the history: I never said he was swiss!
[10:11] <\sh> herve: nono :) i never said this :) but most of the people think he comes from switzerland ;)
[10:12] <\sh> herve: right now, 2005 == einsteinjahr (year of einstein) here in germany...:)
[10:12] <\sh> 2067 == wernher von braun year ;)
[10:13] <herve> there's a valuable typography heritage in germany
[10:13] <trulux> tritium: heya
[10:13] <trulux> tritium: my presentation for the LSM got accepted
[10:13] <trulux> tritium:
[10:13] <\sh> anyways...I have to choose between einstein or ratzinger.. einstein, the man who invented e=mc^2 or papa ratzi, formerly known as the german pope after 482 years ;)
[10:14] <herve> trulux, you come to the lsm ??
[10:14] <trulux> herve: A presentation of mine got accepted for the Security mini-conf
[10:14] <trulux> herve: if everything goes well, I'll do
[10:14] <herve> and we could meet :-)
[10:14] <trulux> I need to clarify some things, put up some clear stuff and we'll be done
[10:14] <trulux> herve: sure!!
[10:15] <trulux> sivang is not here :(
[10:15] <\sh> ok..g'night guys...have work to do at 4:00am in our office
[10:16] <herve> night
[10:16] <herve> I can understand
[10:16] <herve> i woke up at 5
[10:16] <trulux> \sh: sleep well
[10:16] <trulux> herve: shit...
[10:16] <herve> and spent half the day in trains
[10:17] <herve> trulux, I'll speak spanish :-p
[10:17] <trulux> herve: why?
[10:17] <herve> haven't done for so long
[10:17] <trulux> herve: hah, OK
[10:17] <trulux> but note that I need to clarify some things
[10:18] <trulux> I'm still not sure if I will be able to go
[10:18] <herve> i can't really help you for the accomodations
[10:18] <herve> but if you need to, i'll see what i can do
[10:19] <trulux> herve: I'll ask Axelle, she knows Serge Hallyn, who has worked with me and helped with many things, so, I may be able to get something
[10:19] <trulux> herve: thanks in advance
[10:26] <dholbach> hey
[10:29] <herve> hi dholbach
[10:29] <dholbach> hey herve
[10:36] <Nafallo> dholbach: hi there :-)
[10:37] <abelli> dholbach: im here
[10:38] <dholbach> abelli: even better
[10:38] <abelli> :)
[10:38] <abelli> dholbach: so that page is on the wiki?
[10:38] <dholbach> abelli: as i said: i'm terribly busy atm, have to finish my thesis in 3 months
[10:39] <dholbach> abelli: but if i find the time, i'd be happy to review your package or help you, if you run into trouble
[10:39] <dholbach> yes, wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <abelli> ok ..
[10:39] <abelli> thesis, what about?
[10:39] <abelli> dholbach: ill bother ogra .. no probs :)
[10:40] <dholbach> server and client library for storage of user preferences
[10:40] <abelli> but will you gain to get ubm in?
[10:40] <abelli> dholbach: what framework?
[10:40] <dholbach> gain?
[10:40] <dholbach> framework?
[10:41] <ogra> abelli, if its packaged ok, we'll get it in universe, dont worry
[10:41] <abelli> ogra: :))))))
[10:41] <abelli> dholbach: those libraries ..
[10:41] <herve> that reminds me, I'll ask for a review soon
[10:41] <abelli> dholbach: how do they work.
[10:42] <herve> that's the point of his thesis he hasn't written yet ;-)
[10:42] <dholbach> abelli: i wrote the server already and the library will make the requests to the server
[10:42] <abelli> c?
[10:43] <dholbach> the server is c++ and the library will be in C
[10:43] <abelli> gpl ? :)
[10:43] <dholbach> does somebody have the strange BUG that the screen turns blank every few seconds?
[10:44] <dholbach> *GRRR*
[10:44] <abelli> ogra: the problem is (im clearly joking, put your combat knife back .. im too young for it) .. when?
[10:44] <dholbach> and NO: the problem is not that i have a screensaver interval of 10 seconds
[10:44] <dholbach> yes, gpl and lgpl
[10:44] <herve> dholbach, check how your cable is connected
[10:45] <ogra> abelli, before breezy indeed....
[10:45] <abelli> ogra: :) which is tomorrow or the day after tomorrow ? :D
[10:45] <herve> abelli, you'll see
[10:45] <trulux> abelli: did you see the new photos on the antenna "indoor"?
[10:46] <abelli> trulux: i just got in because the frenchy .. is writing some emails ..
[10:46] <abelli> trulux: ive got the logs, and hopefully your mail .. ill do it .. thank you very much.
[10:46] <abelli> s/frenchy/my girl friend
[10:46] <trulux> abelli: frenchy? do you mean the girlie :)?
[10:46] <trulux> abelli: hah
[10:47] <trulux> abelli: my pleasure, I hope you good luck and fun with the antenna
[10:47] <abelli> trulux: don't worry ill be back to you soon, with antenna's, tarzan, monkeys, lions..
[10:47] <trulux> abelli: haha, no problem, bene!
[10:48] <trulux> ;)
[10:48] <abelli> we want to be anonymous .. because we have a mind .. and we want to be judged for what we are and not what we look like ... ;)
[10:49] <abelli> herve: mm i can't see since .. i think my hoary is stable enough .. im not going to do any upgrade.
[10:49] <abelli> even if .. if i want to bother trulux, pitti && company .. i need to have it running ..
[10:49] <abelli> trulux: qemu or uml?
[10:50] <trulux> abelli: VMWare ;P
[10:50] <abelli> never :)
[10:50] <trulux> bbl, dinner smelling damn good
[10:50] <abelli> trulux: buon appetito.
[10:50] <abelli> its quite late dude.
[10:53] <trulux> abelli: time has no meaning for me if there's no business at issue ;)
[10:53] <ajmitch_> hi all
[10:53] <abelli> trulux: soooo cooolllllll ...
[10:53] <abelli> ajmitch_: ciao
[10:53] <herve> hi ajmitch_
[10:54] <herve> yeah, so?
[10:54] <herve> :-)
[10:54] <ajmitch_> after installing ~2000 packages to go from sid->breezy
[10:54] <herve> okay, *that* is adventurous!
[10:55] <abelli> sid ? is it a virus?
[10:55] <abelli> illness?
[10:55] <ajmitch_> :)
[10:55] <ajmitch_> abelli: you're thinking of grumpy
[10:56] <herve> see you spoon
[11:01] <abelli> hey ppl, if someone will ever ask me "hey i want to package something for ubuntu, but i dont know what a .deb is" .. what should i say?
[11:01] <dholbach> abelli: so what we have on the wiki is PbuilderHowto - which is IMHO very good to start serious packaging
[11:01] <dholbach> and PackagingTips (which just note SOME hints)
[11:05] <ogra> abelli, additionally reading the debian new maintainer guide is very helpful
[11:06] <abelli> ogra: that is the base .. but .. what about .desktop ?
[11:06] <ogra> but we'll have our own guide soon
[11:06] <dholbach> .desktop is the same as in debian
[11:06] <abelli> dholbach: is it explained?
[11:06] <abelli> a mean in the mantainer's guide?
[11:07] <abelli> well .. i read it some yrs ago ..
[11:07] <abelli> i dont remember it.
[11:08] <dholbach> the .desktop stuff is a more recent invention :-)
[11:08] <abelli> in fact :)
[11:08] <abelli> i didnt want to break Gods' karma :)
[11:09] <dholbach> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[11:10] <ogra> you use dh_desktop to handle it ...
[11:11] <abelli> ok thank you .
[11:14] <dholbach> hey bur[n] er
[11:14] <dholbach> oops
[11:14] <dholbach> hey Burgundavia
[11:14] <dholbach> ;-)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:25] <tritium_> crimsun, do you use an irc proxy?
[11:26] <dholbach> hey tritium
[11:26] <tritium_> hi dholbach :)
[11:44] <crimsun> tritium_: a shell, usually.
[11:45] <tritium_> crimsun, how's that?
[11:45] <crimsun> tritium_: our users group (http://www.trilug.org) provides a free shell for its members
[11:45] <crimsun> it works out well
[11:46] <tritium_> crimsun, oh, okay
[11:46] <crimsun> we're #trilug on freenode; we also have the most members on biglumber
[11:46] <tritium_> thanks
[11:47] <tritium_> crimsun, I've been trying out irssi-text in combination with screen, but was thinking about trying ctrlproxy or something similar
[11:48] <crimsun> tritium_: some people like dircproxy, but I find screen+irssi-text quite useful
[11:48] <crimsun> particularly since you can turn irssi-text into a proxy (per-network)
[11:48] <crimsun> then just use ssh tunneling to connect to your irssi proxy (it acts as an irc server) from any location using any irc client
[11:49] <tritium_> hrm, perhaps I'll try that, rather than this 2-nick business
[11:49] <crimsun> try this: http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=proxy
[11:49] <tritium_> many thanks
[11:50] <crimsun> np
[11:51] <tritium_> I'll be back around later.
[11:51] <crimsun> same here, need to run errands