[12:00] <leitao> please, my sound is working. but vlc tries to open /dev/dsp, which cause some error. how can i resolve this problem?
[12:00] <shido6> use esd
[12:01] <leitao> shido6 : to what?
[12:01] <Zerboxx> Does ubuntu close internet access when the computer goes into standby mode?
[12:02] <gaussian88> Hello everyone - I have an Evolution + Connecting to an LDAP server question.   Has anyone else here tried to enter their LDAP settings inside Evolution Version 2.2.1.1 within an Ubuntu distro and found that the settings that you enter are lost as soon as you close the window.  For example: Go to Contacts --> create a new LDAP address book --> goto the DETAILS tab --> enter your settings for the SEARCH BASE --> Click OK --> go back 
[12:02] <Siobuntu> http://www.beyondboredom.com/comedy/Every_OS_sucks.mp3
 yes the other day went into the page http://www.ubuntu-es.org/ ... it said that the european parlament are gonna vote about to let people patent the software
[12:03] <leitao> shido6 : oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). with esd running.
[12:04] <iocaste> argh, i've lost sound on my Thinkpad T21. I haven't upgraded or installed anything, it just went. I've read a few threads on the forums but they seem to be specific to other sound cards.
[12:05] <Nechushtan> well, that was a first...
[12:05] <IIIEars> Hi - Want to edit the sources-list using kate but, kate gives me permission errors trying to save the file.
[12:06] <ari_> Nechushtan???
[12:06] <Nechushtan> IIIEars: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:06] <gaussian88> did anyone see my LDAP question?
[12:06] <Nechushtan> arbscht: laptop froze =)
[12:06] <IIIEars> okay
[12:06] <Nechushtan> err not arbscht ...
[12:06] <iocaste> which is the log file I need for boot mesages?
[12:06] <Nechushtan> iocaste: dmesg
[12:06] <iocaste> thanks
[12:07] <Nechushtan> u can also just type dmesg
[12:07] <Nechushtan> and it'll echo the file
[12:09] <redtech> "where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel?"  <--  would this be /usr/src/rpm/BUILD  ?
[12:11] <edsuom> Seriously, if no one can explain why sodoers says "root ALL=(ALL)," then we have a serious security issue for multi-user systems, IMHO.
[12:11] <Nechushtan> edsuom: u search google for sudoers proper syntax?
[12:11] <ari_> <Nechushtan: bye thank you very much from mexico
[12:12] <iocaste> OK, i'm having problems with the Sound Fusion CS46xx card in my Thinkpad. In dmesg, i have the following: cs46xx: failure waiting for FIFO command to complete. Any ideas how can i fix this?
[12:12] <edsuom> http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/man/sudoers.html
[12:13] <Nechushtan> iocaste: weird, my T22 is running fine with the CS46xx
[12:13] <Nechushtan> uhm
[12:13] <iocaste> Nechustan: well it was working fine. then it just stopped.
[12:14] <iocaste> Nechustan: i haven't installed or updated anything to conflict with it
[12:14] <Fackamato> How do I change the default shell in ubuntu?
[12:14] <Nechushtan> iocaste: very weird...
[12:14] <Fackamato> (/bin/bash)
[12:14] <Nechushtan> Fackamato: usermod or one of the GUI user editors
[12:15] <angel12> what do i need to do to be able to build things from source (as in what do i need from apt?)
[12:15] <KingArthur> hey all, I've a question.  Is there anyway to migrate from Ubuntu to Kubuntu w/o loosing any settings or anything downloaded etc?
[12:15] <KingArthur> I tried the Kubuntu live cd and was impressed
[12:16] <Nechushtan> edsuom: i'm pretty sure the root line needs to be in there
[12:16] <Nechushtan> angel12: you need gcc and whatever devel libraries what your compiling requires
[12:16] <edsuom> Nechushtan: Yeah, this is the one that counts: "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[12:16] <eruin> anyone know what command I can run to open an url in firefox (_in a tab_) ?
[12:17] <eruin> ie in an already running window
[12:17] <edsuom> KingArthur: apt-get install kde-core
[12:17] <Nechushtan> KingArthur: just install KDE via synaptic. i did it and it worked fine
[12:17] <Fackamato> Nechushtan: strange, it's set to /bin/bash, although I rightclick on desktop > new terminal I get a fish prompt.
[12:17] <KingArthur> and can you uninstall kde if you don't like it?
[12:17] <edsuom> apt-get remove kde-core
[12:17] <KingArthur> lol.  simple enough
[12:17] <Nechushtan> eruin: http://www.mozilla.org/unix/remote.htm
[12:17] <edsuom> You want complicated, install Gentoo! :-)
[12:18] <Nechushtan> edsuom: haha!
[12:18] <eruin> Nechushtan: cheers :)
[12:18] <iocaste> angel12: sudo apt-get install  build-essential
[12:18] <KingArthur> thankee everyone.  I'll be switching and hope to be KDE-borne before long.
[12:18] <patrick> does anyone know wuts been wrong with gAIM lately
[12:18] <patrick> wont log me in on MSN
[12:19] <KingArthur> MSN has been kicking me off in Gaim regularly, but nothing i've not seen in the past
[12:19] <Nechushtan> prbly M$ f'ing with things
[12:19] <Nechushtan> eruin: no prob
[12:19] <angel12> iocaste, thanks
[12:19] <eruin> KingArthur: isn't happening here
[12:19] <tridion> it's working fine for me, i'm using gaim and logged into MSN
[12:20] <Quinn_Storm> my gaim msn account gets booted oh...about daily...maybe a little less often...but it relogs within a few minutes
[12:20] <Nafallo> hi. I have a question about iptables -L
[12:20] <Nafallo> s/-L/:-P/
[12:20] <Nafallo> $IPT -A INPUT -i $LIF -p udp -s $LAN --dport 67:68 -j ACCEPT
[12:21] <Nafallo> why doesn't my packages get through?
[12:21] <andrew137> Hi there.  Idiot question here: how do I get synaptic to allow me to add online repositories, rather than just what's on CD-ROMs?  What I get is really different to what all the help screens show
[12:22] <Nechushtan> andrew137: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:22] <patrick> well gaim wont even log me in to msn, it stops cold at retrieving buddy list
[12:22] <andrew137> That looks like just what I need.  Thanks!
[12:23] <Quinn_Storm> patrick: could be old version of gaim...IIRC, hoary has 1.1.4
[12:23] <Quinn_Storm> patrick: I use breezy w/ 1.2.1
[12:23] <Nafallo> noone?
[12:23] <patrick> Quinn_Storm, alright ill try it :D
[12:23] <Quinn_Storm> patrick: yeah breezy is safe now actually for the most part, they fixed the evolution glitch
[12:23] <angel12> has anyone here used bluetooth in ubuntu
[12:24] <patrick> breezy?
[12:24] <tridion> next ver of ubuntu
[12:24] <angel12> patrick, new ver of ubuntu
[12:24] <Quinn_Storm> patrick: the dev branch of ubuntu
[12:24] <patrick> ok lol ;)
[12:24] <angel12> lol
[12:24] <patrick> is it still beta or whatever?
[12:25] <Quinn_Storm> more like alpha
[12:25] <patrick> or how long till its out?
[12:25] <Nechushtan> so is there no way to get the new gaim for hoary?
[12:25] <Quinn_Storm> well since hoary was just recently released, a bit less than 6 months
[12:25] <Quinn_Storm> Nechushtan: not that I know of without compiling your own
[12:25] <angel12> Nechushtan, build from source
[12:25] <Nafallo> patrick: october ;-)
[12:26] <patrick> how do i get latest gaim installed on ubuntu?
[12:26] <rafael> patrick : sudo apt-get install gaim
[12:27] <patrick> it says its already latest version :(
[12:27] <AMIGrAve> is there a repository with a working version of dvdrip for hoary ? (marillat one doesn't work for me)
[12:28] <Nechushtan> ahh, backports! thats how I have the newest gaim
[12:28] <rafael> I got a huge problem with Hoary. I just did a fresh install and I can't get sound to work. I can listen to myself on the mic, but I get no system/muziek working :(
[12:28] <jvt> helpers available?
[12:29] <patrick> it just hangs at the friggen retrieving buddy list phase :@:@
[12:29] <KingArthur> rafael, do you have any games installed?
[12:29] <KingArthur> if so, try doing killall esd and open the game and see if sound works in it
[12:30] <rafael> KingArthur : no, I just did a fresh install
[12:30] <Nechushtan> rafael: what soundcard?
[12:30] <Nechushtan> and did you check the mixer?
[12:30] <rafael> Nechushtan it's a SiS sound card
[12:30] <rafael> Ubuntu recognizes it , I can even hear the mic, but no sound
[12:30] <rafael> KIngArthur imma try that trick now ..
[12:30] <Quinn_Storm> rafael: make sure the wave or pcm channels aren't muted
[12:31] <rafael> I'm sure nothing is muted..
[12:32] <Nechushtan> what are you using to play sound?
[12:32] <rafael> beepmediaplayer on esd , gaim, rhythmbox ; killall esd  didn't work
[12:32] <rafael> vlc, xmms, everything
[12:32] <rafael> I only hear myself through the mic. No other sound
[12:33] <MightyF> rafael, i have a solution for you, let me check something
[12:33] <rafael> Let's hope you do :D
[12:33] <MightyF> rafael, First, there's this wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[12:34] <MightyF> rafael, second, there's this site, it helps you get esd to stop hogging the sound: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:34] <MightyF> rafael, hope it helps
[12:35] <rafael> Thanks in advance. BTW, if i am going to stop esd, what am i going to be using ? alsa?
[12:35] <MightyF> rafael, no need to stop ESD, you can just get it to stop hogging the sound card.
[12:35] <KingArthur> no idea.  lol.  I jus tknow by killing esd, it enabled me to listen to several games.
[12:35] <MightyF> rafael, but alsa and oss are the likely ones
[12:36] <MightyF> rafael, what KingArthur is referring to is the tendency of linux games to use oss, which uses /dev/dsp
[12:36] <MightyF> rafael, esd hogs /dev/dsp so oss can't use it
[12:36] <Shadow_Rage> oss emulation
[12:36] <MightyF> rafael, so you kill esd and the game can use oss to use /dev/dsp
[12:36] <Shadow_Rage> simple fix
[12:36] <rafael> I see. I don't really dont mind nogames, i Just want mp3s and movies to work
[12:36] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, no, its not.
[12:37] <Shadow_Rage> how come?
[12:37] <KingArthur> hey shadow, how do you reenable esd once you have killed it?  lol.  I am just curious.
[12:37] <MightyF> rafael, check out the first link and see if you can gather information on the problem
[12:37] <Shadow_Rage> KingArthur: run "esd" in a terminal
[12:37] <KingArthur> lol
[12:37] <KingArthur> go figure
[12:37] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, because ESD is still hogging the device, you need to get it to let it go when its not using it
[12:37] <MightyF> KingArthur, esd&
[12:38] <MightyF> to run it in the background
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: oh, a non-duplex soundcard?
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> bleh
[12:38] <MightyF> otherwise when you close the shell it closes
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> hate those
[12:38] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, maybe, heh
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> useless pieces of shit
[12:38] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, I just use what came with my mobo
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> sunds like it
[12:38] <rafael> I used to do that esd& trick on xfce/warty, but hoary doesnt seem to like me .. :\
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> esd's running and I can use /dev/dsp
[12:38] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: is it a cirrus logic?
[12:38] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, must be your sound card
[12:38] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, no
[12:39] <Shadow_Rage> if so, drop it like the plague
[12:39] <Shadow_Rage> and get at least a soundblaster live 5.1
[12:39] <KingArthur> 50 minutes until KDE time
[12:39] <rhys-hynaws> hey :) does anyone know if I can get EasyTag to change the names of the files based on tag data?
[12:39] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, check out this, #3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:40] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, rafael, I'm going back to my Security labs, I have tons to do, good luck on all that
[12:40] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: soundblaster cards multiplex, and so do terratecs, low end sound cards only allow one stream of audio to go into them
[12:40] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: so go with a soundblaster live, you can grab the 5.1's for under $30 these days
[12:40] <Shadow_Rage> $20 even
[12:41] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, no thanks, problem is already solved and I don't need that kind of sound quality
[12:41] <Fator_Dee> I have an ages old SB Live! still kicking :-)
[12:41] <rafael> MightyF and y'all thanks, I'm trying this thingy r`now
[12:41] <KingArthur> shadow, are laptops typically single stream audio?
[12:41] <MightyF> KingArthur, yes
[12:41] <MightyF> KingArthur, unless you got a fancy one
[12:42] <Shadow_Rage> Fator_Dee: yeah they're good, terratec cards are top of the line
[12:42] <KingArthur> that's why I only can have esd or oss running either or, not both?
[12:42] <Shadow_Rage> better than anything creative could crap out
[12:42] <MightyF> KingArthur, yes
[12:42] <Quinn_Storm> creative has become pretty bad lately but a cheap sb live is still decent
[12:43] <MightyF> KingArthur, First do this, #3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:43] <rhys-hynaws> hey :) does anyone know if I can get EasyTag to change the names of the files based on tag data?
[12:43] <MightyF> KingArthur, then do this: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[12:43] <foodcoman> Is there a util to capture video from Gameplay similar to FRAPS for Winblows?
[12:44] <MightyF> KingArthur, that first allows esd to relinquish control of the card when its not using it, then it allows OSS mixing, so you can run say...Wolfenstein with Teamspeak
[12:44] <MightyF> foodcoman, www.google.com/linux
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: I *think* so
[12:44] <foodcoman> MightyF: Thanks, yeah been at it.  Seems like all the forums dont want to reply to that question.
[12:44] <xfSx> hey i can't make file types associate with programs, i get "can't add application to the database" when i try, anyone know how to fix?
[12:45] <rhys-hynaws> Fator_Dee, how?
[12:45] <KingArthur> thankee mighty :-)
[12:45] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[12:45] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: I'll write it, will take a while (Hang on there :-)
[12:45] <XTCboarder> hwo do i snap to guides in inkscape?
[12:46] <rhys-hynaws> Fator_Dee, Ty
[12:46] <Drako60> how does the ubuntu handle 32-bit packages on a amd64 kernel?
[12:47] <rhys-hynaws> By extracting them?
[12:47] <xfSx> hey i can't make file types associate with programs, i get "can't add application to the database" when i try, anyone know how to fix?
[12:47] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: right-click on file -> Scanner -> Fill Tag(s) -> Change from "Fill Tag(s)" to "Rename File"
[12:47] <rhys-hynaws> Fator_Dee, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:47] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: I'm not exactly sure if it works
[12:47] <Quinn_Storm> Drako60: not well, I've heard
[12:48] <rhys-hynaws> Fator_Dee, OH! I had to exit the program to get the names to change!!! LOL
[12:48] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: just reloading the files is enough
[12:48] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: the seventh button from the left
[12:49] <Drako60> well i'm going to try ubuntu amd64 since i'm having so much trouble with dma, acpi and installing the nforce drivers under straight debian
[12:49] <rhys-hynaws> Fator_Dee, Thank you for all your help :)
[12:49] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: glad to be of help
[12:49] <KingArthur> 40 min left then I can go to the freaking bathroom!
[12:50] <KingArthur> fucking kde, just do an insta-download
[12:50] <KingArthur> :-D
[12:50] <Fator_Dee> rhys-hynaws: oh, and that seventh button isn't a reloading button (it was undo :-p), F5 reloads the directory (Browser -> Reload)
[12:50] <rhys-hynaws> Fator_Dee, lol thanks I just noticed :)
[12:51] <Shadow_Rage> okay
[12:51] <Shadow_Rage> seems like every time I open an mp3 in anything that uses gstreamer, it crashes
[12:51] <Shadow_Rage> horrible
[12:51] <Shadow_Rage> horribly*
[12:52] <Drako60> hopefully i can get this system running again, after windows crashed
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> omfg sarge is frozen
[12:52] <MightyF> foodcoman, I don't think a lot of people ask that question
[12:53] <Shadow_Rage> took them like... 4 years?
[12:53] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, Maybe esd is hogging the sound? ;P
[12:53] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: ...huh?
[12:53] <oasiao> anyone here tried solaris 10?
[12:53] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: no, I can play oggs.
[12:53] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, gstreamer thing, lol
[12:53] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, ;P
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> does mplayer play ogg theoras?
[12:54] <Shadow_Rage> MightyF: mp3's won't play at all
[12:54] <Fator_Dee> hybrid_goth: ye
[12:54] <Fator_Dee> s
[12:54] <Shadow_Rage> hybrid_goth: as long as you have the codec
[12:54] <Drako60> how does ubuntu do on supporting Nforce3 chipset?
[12:54] <MightyF> Shadow_Rage, the ;P means i'm joking in a teasing way
[12:54] <Shadow_Rage> mplayer can play anything you have a codec for (almost)
[12:54] <nekohayo> is there an audio editor that will allow me to see precisely the frequency spectrum while playing?
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> ok
[12:55] <foodcoman> MightyF: True that!  I guess when gaming gets bigger on Linux it will become a need!
[12:55] <MightyF> hybrid_goth, Do the section in here about codecs: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_3_installation_notes.html#MPlayer
[12:55] <Shadow_Rage> yay, got nerim working
[12:55] <MightyF> foodcoman, did you check out synaptic at all?
[12:55] <MightyF> foodcoman, maybe the backport repos or something have a similar program
[12:56] <foodcoman> MightyF: There are some utils, but not elegant for this.
[12:56] <Randomletters> Hello
[12:56] <aardvark> hello
[12:56] <MightyF> foodcoman, ahhh, yeah, elegance is key
[12:56] <MightyF> foodcoman, good luck with that, tell me if you find one
[12:56] <aardvark> mplayer  or xine ?
[12:56] <foodcoman> MightyF: 10-4
[12:56] <emacsen> How do I get Breezy/
[12:56] <MightyF> foodcoman, oh, you searched sourceforge and freshmeat, right?
[12:57] <cusco> I have aapche installed.. what do I need to install to user php server side scripting?
[12:57] <a_monkey> anyone know how i can get 3D accel with a radeon card on a ppc?
[12:57] <cusco> to have php files here.. acessible to outside tru apache?
[12:57] <QMario> How do I give Windows users access to a Ubuntu server over the network?
[12:57] <a_monkey> you can do it with some "radeon" dri driver or something, i know...
[12:57] <MightyF> a_monkey, forgive me, ppc?
[12:57] <a_monkey> MightyF: yes
[12:57] <nekohayo> emacsen, don't get it.
[12:57] <MightyF> a_monkey, ohhh, power pc
[12:58] <nekohayo> unstable.
[12:58] <a_monkey> MightyF: power pc, yes
[12:58] <cusco> QMario: ftp...ssh... smb... http... you name it
[12:58] <MightyF> a_monkey, did you check in the repos and see if they work?
[12:58] <foodcoman> MightyF: That is where I saw the other utils!
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> a_monkey: what card
[12:58] <MightyF> a_monkey, they worked for me in i386
[12:58] <MightyF> foodcoman, oh, mmkay :)
[12:58] <a_monkey> hybrid_goth: radeon 9200
[12:58] <hybrid_goth> a_monkey: does it support 3d?
[12:58] <QMario> a_monkey, What do you mean?
[12:59] <a_monkey> hybrid_goth: yup
[12:59] <a_monkey> i had 3D on debian
[12:59] <foodcoman> MightyF: Low priority really.  Just thought I would try for an easy hit.  With time it will come!
[12:59] <QMario> cusco, what do you mean?
[12:59] <a_monkey> now i don't
[12:59] <KingArthur> 29 minutes left if I believe the computer, 35 in my opionion, until I CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM!
[12:59] <hybrid_goth> a_monkey: what is it in the g3 or g4
[12:59] <a_monkey> i don't know how to get it again
[12:59] <MightyF> a_monkey, On restricted repos they have the drivers
[12:59] <a_monkey> hybrid_goth: g4
[12:59] <KingArthur> I hate slow connections
[12:59] <cusco> QMario: what kind of access do you want other people to have?
[01:00] <QMario> Administrative access.
[01:00] <KingArthur> I mean, free WiFi should be faster than this ;-)
[01:00] <hybrid_goth> a_monkey: did you look in synaptic for 3d rendering sonftware? have you tested to see if the 3d works ootb?
[01:00] <a_monkey> MightyF: "restricted repos"?
[01:00] <QMario> Or restricted.
[01:00] <hybrid_goth> KingArthur: lol
[01:01] <a_monkey> is there a ppc channel?
[01:01] <MightyF> a_monkey, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:01] <a_monkey> this would be very useful
[01:01] <QMario> cusco?
[01:01] <MightyF> a_monkey, go here: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:01] <MightyF> a_monkey, it should tell you how to add the repos
[01:01] <hybrid_goth> a_monkey: ubuntu-ppc but noone will go there
[01:01] <terje> anybody know how to save my profile on the LiveCD?
[01:01] <MightyF> a_monkey, they have the ati drivers
[01:02] <cusco> QMario: I supose you just need to give the root password?
[01:02] <Shadow_Rage> the mad plugin for gstreamer needed an upgrade
[01:02] <terje> I guess that question is fairly unclear..
[01:03] <QMario> Cusco, Windows won't even let me type in a username, when I try to connect to mu Ubuntu server.
[01:04] <QMario> my
[01:04] <abbot45> what console command tells me what kernel im running?
[01:04] <aardvark_> uname -a
[01:05] <aardvark_> ?
[01:05] <abbot45> thanks
[01:05] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[01:06] <Xappe> hmm, why is it when adding a ssh connection w/ nautilus it only appears after i've done a logout/login
[01:06] <Paradosso> does anybody know if gcc package comes by default with hoary?
[01:07] <QMario> Cusco, are you still there?
[01:07] <Janux> hi, is there any program that is like a reminder that has alarm and pop-up notes?
[01:08] <MightyF> Paradosso, I don't think so
[01:09] <Paradosso> MightyF, the thing is a friend of mine has to install has to install his usb DSL modem and gcc is required to install its driver, but he does not have gcc in turn
[01:09] <Drako60> i need to learn programming so i can write for the x86_64 or amd64
[01:09] <october> how do  you associate a different mp3 player with .mp3 files in nautilus?
[01:09] <dooble> I have a question regarding SCILAB installed via synaptic.. when I try to start it in terminal I get an error " /usr/bin/scilab: line 31: /usr/lib/pvm3//pvmgetarch: No such file or directory"
[01:09] <aardvark_> Drako60: go for it plenty resources out there
[01:09] <MightyF> Paradosso, he'll have to use someone else's internet connection to download gcc
[01:10] <Paradosso> he has a windows partition though
[01:10] <Drako60> i'm having problems with nForce3 under linux it just doesn't want to work right
[01:10] <MightyF> Paradosso, what file system on Windows?
[01:10] <Paradosso> fat32
[01:10] <Paradosso> so should be fine to download from win
[01:10] <Paradosso> the problem is: dependencies
[01:10] <dooble> This happens due to default variable definitions... is there any fix... or idea where the pvmgetarch is loaded?
[01:10] <MightyF> Paradosso, he might be able to download it on windows, mount the partition in linux and copy it to linux
[01:10] <MightyF> Paradosso, yep
[01:11] <Paradosso> as apt-get isn't there, obviously
[01:11] <MightyF> Paradosso, just a better idea to go use someone else's connection
[01:11] <aardvark_> Paradosso: why not burn a Hoary CD is gcc and dependancies not on disc ?
[01:11] <MindSpore> quick! someone sell me on ubuntu!
[01:12] <aardvark_> MindSpore: its simply delightful
[01:12] <MightyF> dooble, can you change the default variables on the command line?  Some programs allow you to do that
[01:12] <terje> try it, it sells itself.
[01:12] <Paradosso> aardvark_, could you just retell me your idea, i did not get it
[01:12] <MightyF> MindSpore, its simply works
[01:12] <Drako60> its linux what is there to be sold on, its free, stable, and no keycodes to activate
[01:12] <MindSpore> i'm sold!
[01:12] <MightyF> Paradosso, he thinks gcc may be on the cd
[01:12] <dooble> MightyF,... I can't find what it is looking for
[01:12] <aardvark_> Paradosso: get the Hoary ISO image with GCC on it ?
[01:13] <aardvark_> yeah the live CD
[01:13] <MightyF> dooble, its a strange string, try googling it
[01:13] <Paradosso> and gcc's dependencies are there?
[01:13] <aardvark_> I would think yes
[01:13] <aardvark_> someone might verify
[01:13] <Paradosso> i'm speaking about hoary normal cd, not live
[01:13] <Drako60> only 12 hours befor i can try ubuntu
[01:13] <MightyF> not sure gcc really has dependencies
[01:13] <MightyF> but maybe a library or two
[01:13] <Drako60> libcc i believe depends on gcc
[01:13] <dooble> MightyF, I'll do that... there is a problem in its def... the double slash in the middle...
[01:13] <Janux> Hi anyone knows any free personal reminder that has sound and popup?
[01:13] <Drako60> or gcc depends on libcc rather
[01:14] <MightyF> dooble, yeah, could be
[01:14] <terje> Janux, evolution
[01:14] <MightyF> Drako60, like I said, a few libraries :)
[01:14] <Janux> terje, evolution has it? omg...great!!  thanks a lot
[01:14] <Drako60> yeah if only i could get gcc-3.4 installed on debian sid amd64
[01:14] <Drako60> it only wants to install 3.3
[01:15] <Drako60> or use 3.3
[01:15] <Paradosso> MightyF, it seems gcc depends on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/devel/gcc
[01:15] <aardvark_> Drako why SID ?
[01:15] <Paradosso> 2-3 things
[01:15] <Drako60> because sarge didn't work and there is no woody
[01:15] <aardvark_> try Hoary then
[01:15] <aardvark_> its better
[01:15] <Drako60> yeah i will 12 hours from now
[01:16] <aardvark_> I finally migrated to Ubuntu from Debbie and Ian
[01:16] <Drako60> i hate my ISP
[01:16] <MightyF> Paradosso, sucky
[01:16] <Drako60> i called them and they said i used to much bw and incrased it from 11.8 to 13.3
[01:17] <Drako60> and i was reading over nvidia's forum and it seems ubuntu supports there drivers better then debian
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> their
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> well ubuntu packages the nvidia drivers
[01:18] <aardvark_> ATi is an issue though
[01:18] <WW> than (if HrdwrBoB can do it, so can I :)
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> that's nothing to do with ubuntu per se
[01:19] <dooble> MightyF,  Seems to be the parallel virtual machine library.... it was not indicated as a dependancy... got that... now starts to bring a window up and crashes without notice or comments
[01:19] <aardvark_> HrdwrBoB: yes correct
[01:19] <Drako60> yeah i have an Ati Radeon 9600 i think it is
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> WW :)
[01:19] <MightyF> aardvark_, my ati drivers from restricted repos work perfectly
[01:19] <Drako60> but if i can get UDMA working i'll be happier
[01:19] <Drako60> i installed debian rebooted and was encountered with Kernel Panic
[01:19] <aardvark_> MightyF: last time I tried, somehow my profile got overwritten and messed up
[01:19] <MightyF> dooble, well, its a start, does it say what version it needs?
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> MightyF: they work as well as they can
[01:20] <MightyF> HrdwrBoB, which is better than they did
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> indeed
[01:20] <MightyF> HrdwrBoB, and mine works just fine
[01:20] <aardvark_> I wish ATI would get with the program
[01:20] <aardvark_> anyone tried DOMM3 on Ububtu with ATI drivers ?
[01:20] <MightyF> as linux grows and nvidia owns that market share, they'll get with it
[01:20] <MightyF> cuz they'll lose money
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> aardvark_: personally I wouldn't bother
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> ati are improving
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> it's just taking time
[01:21] <aardvark_> HrdwrBoB: !y
[01:22] <Drako60> i'm half tempted to go back to windows but at the same time i don't want to because i want to be able to use the AMD64 i have to its full potental
[01:22] <dooble> MightyF, the scripts are looking for 3 and the one in synaptic that I found is 3... so that should be right... something else in the settings are likely wrong or missing
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> aardvark_: the ati drivers have woeful performance
[01:22] <aardvark_> Drako60: sacre bleu!
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> you're better off with a much cheaper nvidia card
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not fussed on either company, but based purely on technical merit, nvidia is a clear winner
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> however ati's open source efforts have been much better
[01:23] <MindSpore> Drako: microsoft is coming out with a 64bit xp os
[01:23] <Drako60> HrdwrBoB, makes me wonder if i should swap video cards with my mom hehe
[01:23] <Drako60> i have an Ati she has a nvidia
[01:23] <aardvark_> HrdwrBoB: I used to be staunch Nvidia supporter till the ATI 9800 Pro hit the market
[01:23] <aardvark_> it smoked em
[01:24] <aardvark_> now its kinda even aina
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> aardvark_: I'm not a supporter of anything; I use what suits my needs best. Currently under linux for gaming, there's essentially only one choice: nvidia
[01:24] <Drako60> meh Microsoft coming out with 64bit OS take them 5 years to make it even remotely stable
[01:24] <aardvark_> again
[01:24] <MindSpore> lol
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> the best choice in the current market is a 6600GT
[01:24] <aardvark_> Drako60: u can get it now
[01:24] <MindSpore> HrdwrBoB: is that a car?
[01:24] <aardvark_> Windows XP 64 bit is avail
[01:24] <zerokarmaleft> ubuntu repositories definitely seem to be having a lot more traffic since hoary's release...i don't get 500+K/s transfers very often anymore
[01:24] <MindSpore> oh, it shipped already?
[01:24] <Drako60> yeah available doesn't mean its stable
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> MindSpore: no it's the upper midrange nvidia card
[01:25] <MindSpore> HrdwrBoB: my bad
[01:25] <Randomletters> Hows the Live CD? Just trying to get a taste of it before installing
[01:25] <Randomletters> <-- N00b to linux
[01:25] <aardvark_> 6600GT is around $169
[01:25] <Janux> How do I specify the port number for POP3 account in Evolution?
[01:25] <Drako60> i mean honestly Windows and stable don't generely go well together in the same sentance
[01:26] <aardvark_> Drako60: its surprisingly better
[01:26] <MindSpore> i'm trying to figure out how windows ate 20gb of my harddrive
[01:26] <aardvark_> MindSpore: coredumps ?
[01:26] <Drako60> and i did try to get the beta of XP64 but they stopped offering it for download
[01:26] <MindSpore> nah, 20gb just disappeared
[01:26] <Janux> Hi, anyone?
[01:27] <MindSpore> was 75.3 or something.. now like 53.6 or something
[01:27] <Matrice64> hello Janux
[01:27] <Janux> Matrice64, hi, how do I setup the port number for POP3 account in Evolution?
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> Drako60: you'd be surprised, windows server 2003 is quite good, however it's quite a bit offtopic
[01:27] <aardvark_> Janux: hello
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> though I'm happy to talk to you about it
[01:27] <aardvark_> HrdwrBoB: shiver me timbers
[01:28] <Drako60> its the price for microsoft i can't afford to buy it
[01:28] <aardvark_> the cold fact is if you work in any organization, you will come across MS
[01:28] <Janux> aardvark_, hi, do you know? like setting up the port number for pop3 account in Evolution? because I wanna setup that for my gmail.
[01:28] <XTCboarder> is there anybody here that has ubuntu's logo typography? (i'm making the ubuntu chile site top banner)
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> XTCboarder: it's on the wiki somewhere (ie: it is available, I'm not 100% sure where
[01:29] <obso_> hi!
[01:29] <XTCboarder> hi :)
[01:29] <KingArthur> here comes KDE!  FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:29] <obso_> I have a very strange problem with ndiswrapper :\
[01:29] <XTCboarder> thx HrdwrBoB
[01:29] <FunnyLookinHat> What is the best package to get via synaptic to handle RAR files?
[01:29] <Drako60> now if someone could tell me why i get a CPU 0: Machine check exception 4 bank 4 i would love it
[01:30] <sbcman> King Arthur.... I love Kubuntu
[01:30] <eruin> rar-nonfree
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> FunnyLookinHat: unrar-nonfree
[01:30] <nuevoroot> hi
[01:30] <obso_> Basically, I have the right driver installed for my card (Broadcom Corporation BCM4306), it shows up loaded fine.
[01:30] <nuevoroot> i just installed ubuntu
[01:30] <obso_> It will not find wireless networks even though they are around it
[01:30] <obso_> It wont connect to them either.
[01:30] <nuevoroot> where do windows go when you minimze them?
[01:30] <obso_> Wtf?
[01:30] <Drako60> obso did you check your SSID?
[01:30] <aardvark_> nuevoroot: cool
[01:30] <obso_> Drako60, SSID, No...
[01:31] <mike998> obso_ check the /etc/ndiswrapper/driver directory and change all the RadioState values from a 1 to a 0 in all the .conf files
[01:31] <nuevoroot> i can access them just with alt+tab
[01:31] <aardvark_> nuevoroot: go into taskar
[01:31] <BiMaNs> is it possible to type in arabic in ubuntu ?
[01:31] <nuevoroot> aardvark_, im totally new to this, where is taskar?
[01:32] <aardvark_> bottom
[01:32] <aardvark_> mostly can be moved
[01:32] <obso_> mike998, restart modprobe after that or?
[01:32] <Matrice64> Janux,  are you still here?
[01:32] <nuevoroot> they dont behave like in win
[01:32] <Quest-Master> BiMaNs: I've seen someone do it. Are you a Muslim?
[01:32] <mike998> uhhh
[01:32] <mike998> yep
[01:32] <aardvark_> nuevoroot: its not windows
[01:32] <mike998> that should do it
[01:32] <Drako60> does ubuntu use grub?
[01:32] <nuevoroot> i know
[01:32] <BiMaNs> Quest-Master yes , why ?
[01:32] <aardvark_> nuevoroot: u will get used to it
[01:33] <Janux> Mabus, ya
[01:33] <nuevoroot> i hope so
[01:33] <Janux> Matrice64, ya
[01:33] <Quest-Master> BiMaNs: I am too. :)
[01:33] <Janux> Matrice64, but I am leaving now so do you have any idea of how to set it up?
[01:33] <nuevoroot> aardvark_,  can u recommend a good and well written easy guide for ubuntu?
[01:33] <obso_> mike998, that worked.. care to explain why? :\
[01:33] <mike998> obso_ It worked for me as well... I don't question why
[01:33] <mike998> seriously, though, I checked the forums and there was a how to there
[01:33] <mike998> and he's not here
[01:33] <Matrice64> Janux, in Preferences->Accounts->Recieving email, set the Host: to <your.pop3.com>:<port number>
[01:33] <mike998> sigh
[01:34] <Janux> Matrice64, o...I put the port number after?  ic ic...thanks a lot
[01:34] <Matrice64> Janux, np :)
[01:34] <aardvark_> nuevoroot: search internet for using Linux for beginners
[01:34] <AzMoo> Hi guys. I've got an Audigy2 Sound Card, but I don't seem to be getting any sound. Does anybody know where I should be looking to fix it?
[01:34] <nuevoroot> ok danke
[01:35] <dell500> AzMoo, run the alsamixer in console
[01:35] <dell500> either the Digital/Analog is turned off/on (check both) or the master volume is turned down all the way
[01:35] <dell500> i had to do some tweakin to the mixer to get it right
[01:35] <Drako60> yup same here, everything was muted on my audigy2
[01:37] <AzMoo> Where do I find those settings?
[01:37] <Drako60> anyone hear use amd64?
[01:37] <Drako60> AzMoo, type alsamixer at a command prompt
[01:37] <XTCboarder> damn....
[01:39] <abbot45> can anyone help me with my notebook wireless card?  its a Netgear WG511v2.
[01:39] <abbot45> its suppost to be supported, but its not really working.
[01:40] <AzMoo> Everything in alsamixer seems to be fine.
[01:41] <Zerboxx> Hey everyone, for those who use XChat, is it possible to make it so when I click an irc link, that it opens up another tab in the same window, rather than start another copy of XChat?
[01:41] <Anubis> anyone here know of a way to edit the gnome 2.10 menu system to remove duplicates?
[01:41] <Drako60> AzMoo i would like to help but i don't know much about ubuntu or what options it offers when installing it
[01:41] <AzMoo> Not a problem.
[01:41] <AzMoo> Thanks anyway.
[01:41] <aldug> anyone here fluent with administering a cvs server?
[01:41] <MindSpore> will ubuntu partition the unformatted space on my drive on install?
[01:42] <Drako60> but check to make sure emu10k is in the kernel
[01:42] <MightyF> Anubis, I've always wanted to do that and always heard it was very difficult
[01:42] <Drako60> AzMoo, if emu10k isn't in the kernel sound blasters won't work
[01:43] <abbot45> Anubis & MightyF: install the package Smeg.  its a simple menu editer
[01:43] <MightyF> abbot45, sweeeeet!
[01:43] <Anubis> smeg?
[01:43] <Anubis> well see
[01:43] <Anubis> thx
[01:44] <SerriaRomeo> question please,  how do i set gnome, i think that's the desktop that's stock, anyway, how do i set that up to use the mouse on com3?
[01:44] <obso_> mike998, that worked, thanks a lot... Do you know *WHY* that worked?
[01:44] <cyphase> whats everyone favorite open source document format?
[01:45] <Anubis> smeg is garbage
[01:46] <Drako60> who was it asking about the netgear wireless?
[01:46] <abbot45> it can delete any doubles that you you have.  other than that, it is garbage.  i agree
[01:46] <Anubis> smeg can only add
[01:46] <abbot45> Drako60: i was
[01:46] <Anubis> not remove
[01:46] <Anubis> or alter in ANY way
[01:46] <Anubis> thats why its trash
[01:46] <abbot45> no.  double click the one you want to remove and there is a delete option.
[01:46] <Anubis> menu-editor does that and more
[01:46] <Anubis> except remove
[01:47] <Anubis> how can a WM/DE possibly be complete without this ability?
[01:47] <Anubis> This is accepted in Windows
[01:47] <Anubis> but in Linux I should be able to alter EVERYTHING
[01:47] <Anubis> so
[01:47] <Anubis> where are the files that make up the menu system?
[01:48] <Anubis> it should be as easy as editing a file
[01:48] <Anubis> where is it?
[01:48] <obso_> Well, Windows SP2 always crashes my laptop.  I think thats pretty standard behavior.
[01:52] <cyphase> Who would be interested in creating an open source document format?
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> me!
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> oh wait it already exists
[01:52] <Anubis> lol
[01:52] <XTCboarder> :p
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> cyphase: there are already many open formats
[01:53] <Drako60> i'm more interested in troubleshooting my udma probably with my ide channel
[01:53] <Nechushtan> mdz: so that ide problem i have... fsck runs before the modules get installed so I have to remove those drives from my fstab. any ideas on a workaround for htat?
[01:53] <Drako60> err problem
[01:53] <MindSpore> Nechushtan: watch your language.
[01:54] <cyphase> HrdwrBoB, yes, but none can really match with formats such as PDF. PDF is good, and is technically an open format, but open source developers can't contribute to it
[01:54] <cyphase> which really limits it
[01:54] <Nechushtan> rotfl, so fsck is both a linux command and a banned word...
[01:54] <MindSpore> hehe
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> what is PDF missing that it needs?
[01:54] <MindSpore> not owned by adobe....
[01:55] <mdz> Nechushtan: it'll be addressed by a new boot system in Breezy
[01:55] <Nechushtan> haha
[01:55] <Nechushtan> mdz: cool
[01:56] <Nechushtan> mdz: until then, I just won't reboot
[01:56] <Drako60> where can i find the hardware compatablity list for ubuntu?
[01:56] <HaRDaWaY> hello people
[01:56] <mdz> Nechushtan: you already have the workaround (add the modules to /etc/modules)
[01:57] <Nechushtan> mdz: yea, but then the boot stalls cause fsck can't find the drives(aren't loaded yet) and so I have to remove those drives from fstab
[01:57] <MindSpore> well fsk that
[01:57] <mdz> Nechushtan: S20module-init-tools runs before S30checkfs.sh
[01:57] <MindSpore> s/fsk/fsck
[01:57] <Nechushtan> mdz: well, not stall, but i get the "enter root password for maintenance" thing
[01:58] <mdz> so if it isn't working, you aren't adding all of the modules you need to /etc/modules
[01:58] <HaRDaWaY> i have one problem, i have change quickbutton in gnome, to next song and previous song, and now, i cant write w and q..anybody can help me please?
[01:58] <HaRDaWaY> i put alt q and alt w
[01:58] <Nechushtan> mdz: well, once i remove them from fstab and boot i can mount those drives
[02:00] <SerriaRomeo> can some please tell me where i can change what the irq is for com3?
[02:00] <travisnux> what is the diference between a OEM realese and a box realese ??? please
[02:01] <jblack> Wow. I just noticed that crawl and nethack aren't in ubuntu. That's a missing piece of critical infrastructure
[02:01] <xfSx> crawl and nethack?
[02:02] <jblack> Yup
[02:02] <z3k3> g'day all.
[02:02] <Nechushtan> mdz: added the other modules listed by lsmod in assoc with the ide- modules see if that works
[02:02] <Fator_Dee> what, there's someone that doesn't know nethack :-o
[02:02] <hybrid_goth> good day
[02:02] <zerokarmaleft> jblack, nethack is in universe
[02:03] <HaRDaWaY> mm anybody can help me please?
[02:03] <zerokarmaleft> jblack, so is crawl
[02:03] <travisnux> what is the diference between a OEM realese and a box realese ??? please
[02:03] <jblack> Whoops. I just did a reinstall and forgot to add universe
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> HaRDaWay: what do you need
[02:03] <copilot> I have a creative webcam nx, and it's recognized in the device manager, the driver installation went normal, but when I try to run xawtv, it errors out saying /dev/video0 doesn't exit.
[02:03] <HaRDaWaY> i cant write w and q in gnome :(
[02:03] <copilot> exit=exist
[02:03] <HaRDaWaY> hybrid_goth, :|
[02:04] <Merlin615> hi all, need a little help
[02:04] <Nechushtan> travisnux: oem is sold to a second party for resale
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> HaRDaWaY: sounds like a keyboard setup problem
[02:04] <Merlin615> trying to setup an adhoc network with ubuntu
[02:05] <HaRDaWaY> hybrid_goth, yes, because i change the  quick buttons in the menu of gnome, and now this two buttons not runs
[02:05] <Nechushtan> mdz: ok, that worked =)
[02:06] <HaRDaWaY> hybrid_goth, and this buttons there isn't selected  in the  quick buttons of gnome
[02:07] <sbcl3> could someone help me with multiple things? i'm new to this distro
[02:08] <cyphase> sbcl13, sure
[02:08] <hybrid_goth> HaRDaWaY: try returning it to defualt
[02:09] <sbcl3> i need to get to files on a different partition formatted in FAT32
[02:09] <sbcl3> where would they be located in the file structure?
[02:09] <cyphase> you need to mount the drive first
[02:09] <toresbe> The Ubuntu installer is a version of debian-installer, right?
[02:09] <toresbe> nm
[02:09] <sbcl3> how do i mount the drive?
[02:10] <Zerboxx> Anyone here use gngb for emulating gameboy colour?
[02:10] <cyphase> 1 sec, lemme look for a guide online. im to lazy to type the instructions
[02:10] <cyphase> lol
[02:10] <HaRDaWaY> hybrid_goth, thx, i put it ok, removing spanish keyb, and adding it
[02:10] <HaRDaWaY> hehe
[02:10] <billy_> what should I change in /boot/grub/menu.1st to have winxp to boot by default?
[02:10] <cyphase> sbcl13, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:11] <KingArthur> hello all.  I just finished installing the KDE elements into my system, but alas, on restart, it is still Gnome as the boot-up.  How do I set KDE as the default?
[02:12] <sbcl3> i have a question about that too
[02:12] <sbcl3> how do i stop x server and gnome from starting up?
[02:12] <sbcl3> i want to start in front of the bash prompt :)
[02:13] <Matrice64> sbcl3, set your runlevel to 3
[02:13] <hybrid_goth> sbc13: you can jsut get into gnome and X and sudo shutdown now
[02:13] <billy_> anyone know about grub?
[02:13] <deepsight> hello anyone has installed nokia symbian series 60 sdk in ubuntu? i got it but i think the .sis it makes is not working
[02:14] <sbcl3> where can i set my runlevel?
[02:14] <KingArthur> anyone with my question?  I really liked the Kubuntu live cd, so I installed the kde core being told that was all I needed to do, but alas, I'm still in Gnome after restart, and I would like to be in KDE
[02:14] <Matrice64> sbcl3, /etc/inittab
[02:15] <jambon> I know that i just had some mexican grub, and it was good....
[02:15] <billy_> oh really
[02:15] <deepsight> jambon, what is a grub, im mexican btw
[02:15] <deepsight> i only know the bootloader...
[02:15] <MightyF> I have no idea what i was thinking, kde is soooooooooooooooooo much prettier
[02:16] <jambon> grub is english slang for food
[02:16] <jambon> of which I just had, but of the mexican variety
[02:16] <MightyF> jambon, then its grubo mucho
[02:16] <deepsight> oh, so the dictionary ... is a larva of some kind
[02:16] <deepsight> jajajajaj
[02:17] <sbcl3> kde is not prettier
[02:17] <sbcl3> it..just comes with a nicer theme installed first
[02:17] <sbcl3> gnome is much more elegant, with many less "bells and whistles"
[02:17] <deepsight> is faster for me and is kinda pretty... anyways i use gnome i dont know why :S
[02:18] <dell500> has anyone here gotten Cedega 4.3 and Steam (CSS) to work together??
[02:18] <billy_> somone please tell me what to change in grub to boot windows by default
[02:18] <sbcl3> Matrice64: line 5 right?
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> MightyF: not to start a flame war but XFCE owns :D not to start a DE war either
[02:19] <MightyF> hybrid_goth, never tried it
[02:19] <MightyF> hybrid_goth, is it in the repos?
[02:19] <cyphase> sbcl13, you can also set it at the boot prompt if your comfortable with that
[02:19] <cyphase> make it an option
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> MightyF: yes it is in universe it is awesome for laptops/old machines
[02:20] <deepsight> hybrid_goth, XFCE4 is good indeed
[02:20] <hybrid_goth> MightyF: my favorite thing of Linux is the choice of DE's
[02:20] <MightyF> hybrid_goth, my laptop doesn't lack power
[02:20] <deepsight> so i jump from gnome to XFCE4 once in a while
[02:20] <deepsight> but its pretty also
[02:20] <hybrid_goth> deepsight: join #UbuntuX
[02:20] <Fator_Dee> hmm, I have to check that XFCE sometime
[02:20] <xfSx> xfce better than gnome?
[02:20] <Fator_Dee> is it hard to install? or just apt-getting?
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> lets not start a DE war now
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> Factor_Dee apt-get install xfce4
[02:21] <cyphase> xfSx, Gnome is more featureful, but xfce is better for slower systems
[02:21] <Fator_Dee> hybrid_goth: so just apt-getting
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> if you wanna discuss XFCE join #UbuntuX
[02:21] <deepsight> i like evolution from gnome
[02:22] <hybrid_goth> Fator_Dee yes apt-get install xfce4
[02:22] <deepsight> xffm is kinda... weird looking
[02:22] <deepsight> also gnome-volume-manager is nice
[02:22] <KingArthur> ok, so, do I do a sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop now that I've downloaded KDE so that it will activate and become the default?
[02:22] <Fator_Dee> yes, I understood in the first time :-)
[02:23] <mak> can someone please help me? My Nautilus is flipping out and I cant get it to stop
[02:23] <deepsight> KingArthur, just log out and in GDM in Session select KDE and if you want to make it default, well just click make default
[02:23] <KingArthur> oh, I'm retarded
[02:23] <KingArthur> brb :-D
[02:23] <deepsight> me too switching to XFCE
[02:24] <NetwrkMonkey> is there an issue with firefox and printing pages with footers using cups?
[02:24] <CJ7> hey, this is a VERY noob qn, but just installed ubuntu with the base install only, how do i get xorg/xfce installed?
[02:24] <cyphase> I just got this really wild idea..
[02:24] <cyphase> What would you say about a TCP/UDP extension that marks what a router identifies as a worm/virus/etc?
[02:24] <Fackamato> CJ7: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:25] <Fackamato> CJ7: apt-cache search xorg
[02:25] <CJ7> ah, apt-cache search - that's what i was looking for - thanks :)
[02:25] <mak> anyone know how to make my nautilus stop taking up 98% cpu and actually start up normally?
[02:26] <Fator_Dee> mak: kill it
[02:26] <mak> I cant kill it, it keeps coming back
[02:26] <Fator_Dee> ummm, kill it harder
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:26] <mak> when i logged out and logged back in, when i try to start it again, it does the same thing
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> killallharder
[02:26] <mak> I've killed it as hard as I can
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> :P
[02:27] <Kisain> anyone know hwy i can't get my box to dual boot win xp and ubuntu?
[02:27] <Fator_Dee> "Don't force it, get a bigger hammer."
[02:27] <MightyF> mak, someone yesterday was complaining of the same thing
[02:27] <KingArthur> woo.  thankyou to whoever helped me before
[02:27] <KingArthur> :-)
[02:27] <mak> mightyF, what 's the solution?
[02:27] <deepsight> KingArthur, now on kde?
[02:27] <KingArthur> yeppers
[02:27] <deepsight> :D
[02:28] <KingArthur> kinda odd
[02:28] <MightyF> mak, I didn't see one, sorry
[02:28] <sbcl3> thats odd....i'm in the root terminal and i can't edit /etc/inittab
[02:28] <sbcl3> (i typed "vi /etc/inittab"
[02:28] <deepsight> so... anyone with the symbian sdk on ubuntu?
[02:28] <KingArthur> I like gnome, too, at times.  both have their benefits.  This is the most "Windows" like environment, and I'm trying to get my fiance to be able to use this computer, so KDE will be her default and I'll just use gnome when I feel like it :-)
[02:28] <mak> piece of shit keeps coming back
[02:28] <deepsight> sbcl3, whats the error?
[02:29] <deepsight> im planning in teaching my mother linux, has anybody tried this before?
[02:30] <deepsight> maybe some shell scripting and such
[02:30] <deepsight> :P
[02:30] <dell500> has anyone here gotten Cedega 4.3 and Steam (CSS) to work together??
[02:30] <MindSpore> isn't Cedega for win32 games?
[02:30] <sarom> Anyone of you uses an application similar to kontact?
[02:31] <KingArthur> Well, personally, it is hard enough getting my fiance to be able to use Linux, let alone my mother.  At least she can use both MacOS X and Windows interchangably.  My dad....windows only, and my grandmother, Mac OS only.  lol
[02:31] <KingArthur> good luck with that, deepsight
[02:31] <MindSpore> i'm very much liking ubuntu
[02:32] <MindSpore> except for some reason xmms will nto play this mp3
[02:32] <sarom> MindSpore
[02:32] <KingArthur> mindspore, what is set as your default audo-out?
[02:32] <sarom> do you know where xmms is installed in ubuntu?
[02:33] <MindSpore> KingArthur: not sure.. just got into the LiveCD... xmms is frozen now
[02:33] <sarom> Im trying to find where it's installed so I can place a skin there
[02:33] <MindSpore> sarom: nah, i don't know much of anything right now
[02:33] <KingArthur> force quit xmms
[02:33] <MindSpore> sarom: do a find
[02:33] <sarom> I am doing a find
[02:33] <sarom> it's taking a long time
[02:33] <KingArthur> then, open xmms w/o a song
[02:33] <sarom> 12 mins passed
[02:33] <MindSpore> KingArthur: is there a shortcut to do that in ubuntu, or shall i go to konsole?
[02:33] <MindSpore> sarom: lol
[02:34] <Kisain> will counterstrikes steam work with  cedega?
[02:34] <KingArthur> control, alt, esc supposidly is how you force quit
[02:34] <xfSx> yes steam works, i haven't got the hdd space to try a game tho
[02:34] <Kisain> awsome
[02:34] <Kisain> ^_^
[02:34] <xfSx> hey i can't make file types associate with programs, i get "can't add application to the database" when i try, anyone know how to fix?
[02:34] <KingArthur> did that work for you, mindspore?
[02:34] <MindSpore> KingArthur: that didn't seem to work so much
[02:35] <Kisain> i'll try a game and let you know how it is
[02:35] <KingArthur> just open up the task manager, find the process, and force quit it
[02:35] <Thorrn4> Hello!! does anyone here use KDE on Ubuntu?
[02:35] <KingArthur> that's what I do
[02:35] <KingArthur> I'm using KDE on Ubuntu now
[02:35] <Kisain> whats kde?
[02:35] <sbcl3> K Desktop Environment
[02:35] <KingArthur> KDE is a desktop environoment
[02:35] <Kisain> oh
[02:35] <MindSpore> KingArthur: task manager?
[02:35] <sbcl3> the main alternative to gnome and probably more popular
[02:35] <Kisain> diffrent from ubuntu?
[02:36] <sbcl3> ubuntu comes with gnome
[02:36] <Kisain> or the same?
[02:36] <sbcl3> the other environment
[02:36] <Kisain> oh
[02:36] <Kisain> whats the diffrence?
[02:36] <MindSpore> KingArthur: ah, got it
[02:36] <KingArthur> cool
[02:37] <sbcl3> gnome is a bit smaller and less developed, but has a lot less of those crap features. I also like its workstation switcher alot better
[02:37] <KingArthur> now, when you open xmms this time, go to preferences, and select the "esound" output plugin
[02:37] <MindSpore> KingArthur: still son't play mp3 though, lol
[02:37] <dell500> how do i resize my desktop?? says' i need RANR
[02:37] <Kisain> can anyone give me a website to look @ screenshots?
[02:37] <Kisain> cause i wanna see if it's better than gnome
[02:38] <KingArthur> if that doesn't work, have you installed the win32 codecs yet?
[02:38] <Thorrn4> KingArthur, I am stuck....I installed KDE yesterday and it will change themes...it is stuck on the redmond theme in programs, like Mozilla for example...
[02:38] <MindSpore> KingArthur: that worked, nice
[02:38] <Thorrn4> it wont change themes
[02:38] <KingArthur> awesome.  enjoy, mindspore
[02:39] <Kisain> can someone give me a website for KDE?
[02:39] <KingArthur> thorn4: it won't change themes?
[02:39] <bur[n] er> kde.org
[02:39] <sbcl3> kisian: kdelorg
[02:39] <sbcl3> *kde.org
[02:39] <KingArthur> BLECH!  That is one ugly theme!
[02:40] <MindSpore> KingArthur: does ubuntu live come with cd-burning software?
[02:40] <KingArthur> yes, it should be able to burn data cds out of the box
[02:40] <bur[n] er> with what?
[02:41] <stuNNed> Kisain: kde-look.org ?
[02:41] <KingArthur> Thorrn4: what does it do when you select another theme in the control center?
[02:41] <bur[n] er> gnomebaker?
[02:41] <bur[n] er> graveman?
[02:41] <stuNNed> graveman is nice
[02:41] <Thorrn4> KingArthur, it changes the theme of the KDE control panel....but not Mozilla
[02:42] <Kisain> thanx man
[02:42] <MindSpore> so i can download the full ISOs and burnthem within the Live environment?
[02:42] <KingArthur> hrrrmmmm....dunno this one.  I've just started KDE (literally 10 minutes ago).  lol.  Have you tried restoring defaults?
[02:42] <bur[n] er> Thorrn4: mozilla is not based on qt
[02:42] <bur[n] er> Thorrn4: use konqueror if you want a web browser that uses the kde themes
[02:42] <Kisain> whats the diffrence between KDE and Gonme?
[02:42] <bur[n] er> Thorrn4: or get a new theme for mozilla
[02:42] <KingArthur> I believe the live CD allows you to do that.  I know that the regular does, but not sure about live.
[02:43] <bur[n] er> Kisain: innumerable
[02:43] <sbcl3> gnome is a bit smaller
[02:43] <KingArthur> it SHOULD
[02:43] <MindSpore> k
[02:43] <sbcl3> but with, inho, a cleaner interface
[02:43] <MindSpore> KingArthur: what is the cd-burning application called?
[02:43] <bur[n] er> MindSpore: graveman or gnomebaker
[02:43] <Kisain> is it better?
[02:43] <stuNNed> Kisain: np
[02:43] <MindSpore> thx
[02:44] <Kisain> ok
[02:44] <KingArthur> when you insert a burnable cd into a cd-r drive, it should recognize it and ask you to make a cd.  To burn an iso, just download the iso, right click, and you should be able to select burn to cd
[02:44] <bur[n] er> Kisain: is it?
[02:44] <Kisain> is it something i should take a look into or is it not for noobs?
[02:44] <Kisain> what? huh?
[02:44] <bur[n] er> Kisain: sure
[02:44] <chet> im booted into ubuntu, is there any way to look at what partitions are on this disk? like hda is ntfs, hdx has / and /boot
[02:45] <xfSx> fdisk -l
[02:45] <chet> ideally, i need to reinstall win2k and need to know where grub is
[02:45] <chet> thanks xfSx
[02:45] <cyphase> chet, you could go to System -> Administration -> Device Manager for a GUI
[02:45] <xfSx> or mount
[02:45] <cyphase> yea
[02:45] <xfSx> is probably what you want ;)
[02:46] <chet> ill try them both, thank you
[02:47] <Kisain> if i chane to kde will i be loosing my ubuntu?
[02:47] <KingArthur> nope
[02:47] <hunterxhunter> holas
[02:47] <hunterxhunter> como estan
[02:47] <Kisain> i don't understand i thought ubuntu was the desktop enviroment?
[02:47] <KingArthur> kisain, you just go to the synaptic package manager, check the K desktop environment or kde or whatever, it will install lots of things.
[02:48] <KingArthur> then, when you restart, you just select "session"
[02:48] <stuNNed> Kisain: do you want kubuntu and not ubuntu?
[02:48] <KingArthur> you can choose kde, or gnome.
[02:48] <hellrasier> holas
[02:48] <KingArthur> kde should be a 200some MB download
[02:48] <Kisain> i don't under stand the diffrence cause i'm so new
[02:48] <KingArthur> with all the things it selects
[02:49] <Kisain> well i have a t3 so i'm not worried
[02:49] <Kisain> about download sizes
[02:49] <Kisain> whats kubuntu?
[02:49] <KingArthur> it's just a GUI, and in linux, you can apparently have all sorts of GUIs
[02:49] <hybrid_goth> ubuntu with kde
[02:49] <KingArthur> kubuntu is the kde version of ubuntu
[02:49] <Kisain> oh neat
[02:50] <Kisain> is it easy to put in?
[02:50] <vegalabs> hi. i've been a slack user for years, and now i've switched to ubuntu. i have two specific questions which might answer my more general questions: 1. when i try to apt-get vim-gnome or vim-gtk, i get a bunch of dependency failures (i.e. vim-gnome: Depends: vim (= 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2) but 1:6.3-025+1ubuntu2.2 is to be installed). second, i can't compile a number of things successfully from source (such as vim).is this usual?
[02:50] <hybrid_goth> kde flux gnome xfce matchbox
[02:50] <Kisain> is that a command?
[02:50] <KingArthur> just go to the synaptic package manager........scroll down to the k's.  select the kde option
[02:50] <Kisain> ok
[02:50] <hybrid_goth> what about apt-get install kde?
[02:50] <Kisain> and that will give me kbuntu?
[02:51] <Anubis> yes
[02:51] <KingArthur> you can do either way
[02:51] <vegalabs> my primary concern at the moment is getting gvim installed, but it isn't happening.
[02:51] <hybrid_goth> I love Linux
[02:51] <stuNNed> vegalabs: to compile from source install build-essential and as far as the vim you're looking for try 'apt-cache search vim'
[02:51] <Anubis> me2
[02:51] <KingArthur> that will give you kde....or kubuntu....whatever you want to call it.
[02:51] <Kisain> i don't know very much yet i just don't want to mess up all my hard work lol
[02:51] <Kisain> oh
[02:51] <hybrid_goth> vegalabs: do you have gtk installed? if so use synaptic
[02:51] <KingArthur> then, when you restart the computer, when you are at the log-in screen.....select "session"
[02:52] <vegalabs> hybrid_goth: i have gtk installed, but synaptic also fails.
[02:52] <Kisain> oh so i'll have both?
[02:52] <KingArthur> yep
[02:52] <Kisain> oh neat
[02:52] <Thorrn4> but all of the programs look like Win95 KingArthur, not just Mozilla....every single program
[02:52] <KingArthur> ugggg!  Have you tried searching the Ubuntu forums yet?
[02:52] <Kisain> and it won't mess up my system?
[02:52] <vegalabs> stuNNed: build-essential. ok, i'll give that a try. also, i did apt-cache search, but i don't see how that gives any solution to the problem.
[02:53] <KingArthur> kisain: nope.  I just did it myself not 2 hrs ago
[02:53] <KingArthur> works GREAT
[02:53] <KingArthur> :-D
[02:53] <paul_> newbie question: how do I check how much free space i have left on my linux partition?
[02:53] <Kisain> oh awsome
[02:53] <stuNNed> vegalabs: it should tell you what vim you're lookoing for that is avail
[02:53] <Kisain> ok i'll try it
[02:53] <vegalabs> stuNNed: yeah, i know. i'm trying to get ones that are available in my list of sources.
[02:53] <KingArthur> :-)
[02:54] <Kisain> so get kde through syn for kubuntu?
[02:54] <vegalabs> i'll try to build-essential installation first
[02:54] <KingArthur> Go to the synaptic package manager.....
[02:54] <Kisain> ok
[02:54] <KingArthur> you'll have to enter your password
[02:55] <Kisain> there are some ubuntu icons next to some of the stuff is that what i want?
[02:55] <mathmatt> Kisain, then chat on #kubuntu and they will help you with the kde stuff
[02:55] <KingArthur> when yo uare in "all" scroll down to "kde"
[02:55] <Kisain> kk
[02:56] <KingArthur> select kde, it will say something like "you want to install all these other things...."
[02:56] <Kisain> is it KDE-core that i want?
[02:56] <KingArthur> say yes
[02:56] <mak> Hey, I'm back, the guy with the nautilus freaking out... I have more details. it seems to choke on my home directory, and nothing else. Does that help anyone? Basically, when i go to the home directory, it hangs and hangs my whole system with it
[02:56] <KingArthur> just "KDE"
[02:56] <Kisain> ok found it
[02:57] <Kisain> and just click ok?
[02:57] <KingArthur> cool.  yeah, clikc on it, clikc ok.  it will start downloading all sorts of stuff
[02:57] <Kisain> ok
[02:57] <xfSx> how easy is it to have multiple winmanagers installed and switch between them?
[02:57] <xfSx> mak that sucks not sure what it could be
[02:58] <] BreliC[> what's the easiest way to setup a java ssh applet for apache?
[02:58] <Kisain> crosses fingers (hope this works)
[02:58] <KingArthur> I gtg and head out of here all.  Good luck kisain.
[02:58] <mak> ok
[02:58] <Kisain> thanx man
[02:58] <Kisain> see ya laterz
[02:58] <stuNNed> xfSx: afaik you can switch between two just start a new session and switch with ctrl+alt+f7 and ctrl+alt+f8
[02:58] <KingArthur> if you need me, KingArthur10 is my AIM.  I'll be on a little later, but check #kubuntu first to see if they can help
[02:58] <Kisain> kk
[03:00] <vegalabs> stuNNed: make still fails. it's kind of frustrating. as far as apt-get, same unmet dependencies. (E: Broken packages)
[03:00] <stuNNed> vegalabs: tried 'apt-get -f install' ?
[03:00] <stuNNed> vegalabs: anything from that?
[03:01] <vegalabs> stuNNed: no, was a bit worried about running it. but i'll do it.
[03:01] <vegalabs> stuNNed: hmm, still same broken packages message.
[03:02] <vegalabs> brb, i'm going to try a few things first
[03:02] <vegalabs> hmm, no luck
[03:03] <stuNNed> vegalabs: apt-get --fix-missing --fix-broken -f dist-upgrade ?
[03:03] <stuNNed> vegalabs: have you apt-get update'd of late?
[03:03] <vegalabs> yeah i have. i'll give the command with the fix flags and see what happens.
[03:04] <gnuts> hello
[03:04] <stuNNed> hi
[03:04] <MindSpore> how do i configure the gdm?
[03:05] <Yueh> hello from Australia
[03:05] <stuNNed> MindSpore: gdmconfig ?
[03:05] <stuNNed> hi Yueh
[03:05] <gnuts> anyone in here successfully using network manager?
[03:05] <Yueh> what you guys talking about?
[03:05] <vegalabs> stuNNed: nope. no luck. same broken dependency error.
[03:05] <Yueh> network manager?  not really
[03:05] <Yueh> i use wifi
[03:05] <Yueh> so manually configure interface in /etc/network
[03:05] <stuNNed> gnuts: in ubuntu? nah
[03:06] <stuNNed> vegalabs: can you paste the output at pastebin.com?
[03:06] <Yueh> how many of you move from debian to ubuntu?
[03:07] <mathmatt> Yueh, I moved from RedHat->Fedora->Ubuntu
[03:07] <gnuts> netapplet seems really slow, any others?
[03:07] <Yueh> well, me debian to mandrake to debian then ubuntu
[03:07] <vegalabs> stuNNed: done.
[03:08] <sbcl3> how do i mount a partition that doesn't have an OS on it?
[03:08] <stuNNed> vegalabs: url plz
[03:08] <Yueh> you can't
[03:08] <gnuts> i just tried a bunch of distro's, really like ubuntu.
[03:08] <Taliesin`> (Yueh): i use both? :P
[03:08] <sbcl3> you cant?!?!?
[03:08] <Taliesin`> Didnt move, just use both
[03:08] <Taliesin`> (sbcl3): is the partition formatted?
[03:08] <sbcl3> yes
[03:08] <Yueh> sorry i mean if it haven't been partition you can't use it
[03:08] <sbcl3> FAT32
[03:08] <vegalabs> stuNNed: http://www.pastebin.com/279336
[03:08] <Taliesin`> with what Fulesystem?
[03:08] <sbcl3> FAT32
[03:08] <Yueh> ok that's easy then
[03:09] <sbcl3> i was hoping so
[03:09] <Taliesin`> mount -t fat32 /dev/h** /mount/point
[03:09] <Taliesin`> sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/h** /mount/point
[03:09] <Taliesin`> will work easier ;)
[03:09] <Yueh> damn you beat me
[03:09] <Taliesin`> ?? mount > sbcl3
[03:10] <Yueh> anyone from australia?
[03:10] <Taliesin`> over here
[03:10] <Taliesin`> <- Adelaide
[03:10] <Yueh> cool
[03:10] <Yueh> Sydney
[03:11] <Taliesin`> did you go to UDU?
[03:11] <Yueh> but i am a Brisbane boy
[03:11] <sbcl3> what do i put in for /mount/point?
[03:11] <Yueh> nope, assingment due and have to work that day even it is public holiday
[03:11] <Taliesin`> (sbcl3): it's where you want the drive to appear
[03:11] <stuNNed> vegalabs: is this a fresh install?  what do your sources.list look like?
[03:11] <Taliesin`> genreally you mkdir a new folder
[03:11] <firepol> hi guys, anyone here noticed some "A system error occured" error messages in ROSETTA translation tool?
[03:11] <firepol> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta/products/wordpress/wordpress-1.5/+translate?languages=it_IT
[03:11] <Yueh> still can't get webcam to work in gnome meeting
[03:11] <Taliesin`> preferably in /mnt so you know it's a mount
[03:11] <Taliesin`> so
[03:12] <Taliesin`> sudo mkdir /mnt/fat32
[03:12] <Taliesin`> sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/h** /mnt/fat32
[03:12] <Yueh> it test ok in mulimedia system selector but still hvaing issues in gnomemeeting
[03:12] <Taliesin`> as an example
[03:12] <sbcl3> what do you put for /h**? just hda3 or something like that?
[03:13] <Taliesin`> what ever the drive and partition number is
[03:13] <sbcl3> crap...i dunno
[03:13] <Taliesin`> so if's it Primary master, and the third partition, then hda3 is correct
[03:13] <stuNNed> vegalabs: also what does dpkg -l|grep vim say?
[03:13] <sbcl3> can i easily find out?
[03:13] <Taliesin`> hmmm
[03:13] <vegalabs> stuNNed: it is fairly new, with the addition of two archives or so.
[03:13] <MindSpore> with the ubuntu live distro, can i switch which cd-drive the livecd is in?
[03:13] <vegalabs> stuNNed: let me get that
[03:13] <Taliesin`> (sbcl3): do you only have one drive in your computer/
[03:13] <MindSpore> ..while it's still running
[03:13] <Taliesin`> / = ?
[03:14] <sbcl3> no
[03:14] <sbcl3> two
[03:14] <Yueh> by the way, anyone got samba to work?
[03:14] <gnuts> does openoffice2 rely on any of the libraries and file of openoffice 1.x?
[03:14] <vegalabs> stuNNed:
[03:14] <vegalabs> ii  vim            6.3-025+1ubunt Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor
[03:14] <vegalabs> ii  vim-common     6.3-025+1ubunt Vi IMproved - Common files
[03:14] <Yueh> i still having issue connect to my windows machine as well as sharing the printer
[03:14] <Taliesin`> well
[03:14] <Taliesin`> you could
[03:14] <Taliesin`> try and locate it using sudo fdisk /dev/hda (hdb hdc hdd)
[03:14] <Taliesin`> only one hd* at a time thou
[03:14] <Taliesin`> once you in fdisk
[03:14] <Taliesin`> hit p and enter
[03:14] <a_monkey> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31563 <-- anybody?
[03:15] <stuNNed> vegalabs: try apt-get remove vim vim-common && apt-get install vim-gnome
[03:15] <Taliesin`> and you will get a partition list
[03:15] <stuNNed> vegalabs: and make *sure* your apt repos are official ubuntu repots
[03:15] <stuNNed> repos*
[03:15] <Taliesin`> then just q for quit
[03:15] <a_monkey> http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-5.html <-- would the same apply for ubuntu hoary?
[03:15] <Taliesin`> dont use any other letters or you could potentially kill your partition table
[03:16] <Yueh> well got go and finish my sql, just testing the irc software!!!  see you guys
[03:16] <stuNNed> cya Yueh
[03:17] <sbcl3> how do i look up my other hard drive?
[03:17] <stuNNed> sbcl3: what type is it?
[03:18] <sbcl3> i think linux labelled it as hda1 during the installation
[03:18] <vegalabs> stuNNed: ok, that appeared to work. is there a reason why that worked? should i generally do that for packages that fail so that they retreive the dependencies by themselves?
[03:18] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:18] <stuNNed> vegalabs: not normally no
[03:18] <stuNNed> vegalabs: basically the routine is 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get install whatever'
[03:19] <Zerboxx> Is there any easy way to insatll a debian file? (.deb)?
[03:19] <vegalabs> stuNNed: `right. but i ncases where this kind of stuff happens, is that considered a generally good approach?
[03:19] <Predius> dpkg -i <deb>
[03:19] <Predius> as root, or sudo
[03:19] <Zerboxx> Thanks
[03:19] <stuNNed> vegalabs: it's important not to mix repos and yes
[03:20] <vegalabs> ok. well, i do have warty, and properly pinned hoary repositories.
[03:20] <vegalabs> stuNNed: thanks for the help
[03:20] <Zugot> whats faster: an amd64 3200+ or a pentium M 1.8Ghz?
[03:20] <james_> what would be faster on ubuntu: an opteron or an athlon 64?
[03:20] <sbcl3> does anyone know where a total idiot/newb like me can learn how to use linux?
[03:20] <stuNNed> vegalabs: there are some extra repos mentioned on the ubuntu wiki, if you must use 3rd party repo's i'd stick to those, btw if you add lines 'universe' and 'multiverse' to the proper line in sources.list pretty much anything you want is avail, but you probably already know all of this :)
[03:20] <sbcl3> is linux.org a good place to start?
[03:21] <Fackamato> james_: no difference
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> james_: in most cases an opteron
[03:21] <james_> ha
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> Fackamato: no, there is a difference
[03:21] <Fackamato> what would that be
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> however the difference is not huge
[03:21] <vegalabs> stuNNed: hehe
[03:21] <Fackamato> what's the dfference?
[03:21] <vegalabs> stuNNed: okay, thanks again.
[03:21] <stuNNed> vegalabs: np my pleasure
[03:21] <james_> i mulitask a lot
[03:22] <james_> HrdwrBob, how much more do you think I should spend to get an opteron?
[03:22] <Zerboxx> Anyone here use gngb?
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> james_: for a normal machine
[03:23] <Fackamato> HrdwrBoB: What would make the difference?
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> with one CPU
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> I wouldn't bother
[03:23] <Zugot> i'm just not liking 64 bit ubuntu
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> Fackamato: it supports more ram, has more hypertransport links and more cache
[03:23] <Fackamato> In what way is an opteron faster than an Athlon64 winchester?
[03:23] <Zugot> i think i'm gonna get rid of this laptop
[03:23] <Fackamato> more ram, hah
[03:23] <Fackamato> yeah, it's faster if you're going dual
[03:23] <james_> hmm, i was reading that the opteron had a 144 bit memory bus, while the athlon 64 only has a 64 bit memory bus... is that still true?
[03:23] <Fackamato> otherwise you have no use for it
[03:24] <gunny> any vmware experts around? I'm having issues getting vmware 5 installed
[03:24] <Fackamato> they are the same cpu's
[03:24] <Fackamato> with different caches and hypertransport links.
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> well you NEED opterons for dual
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:24] <Fackamato> of course.
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> they are the same core
[03:24] <Fackamato> no one said dual though.
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:24] <Fackamato> If he wanted dual there would be only one choice
[03:24] <jasn> sbcl3, heres a good 'cheat sheet of commands' - http://www.sloppycode.net/nix/
[03:24] <james_> hmm
[03:25] <james_> i'm just gonna get a single core, cpu
[03:25] <Fackamato> hrhr
[03:25] <james_> other stuff is too expensive
[03:25] <Fackamato> i recommend a 3500+ 939
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> james_: I would recommend a midrange athlon64
[03:25] <Fackamato> winchester or venice
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> because dualcore is coming and here to stay
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> and there's a clear upgrade path
[03:25] <Fackamato> dualcore is expensive as hell, and several months away :)
[03:25] <Fackamato> but they're staying
[03:26] <james_> hmm
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> yeah but the point is, buy the motherboard and a decent cpu
[03:26] <jamesh> you'll probably need a new motherboard for a dual core chip ...
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> then in a year
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> you'll have acheap dualcore
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> jamesh: no you won't
[03:26] <james_> jamesh, i think they are gonna be backwards compatable
[03:26] <Fackamato> at most you'll need a bios upgrade
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> amd have specifically stated otherwise
[03:26] <stuNNed> heh
[03:26] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:26] <jamesh> HrdwrBoB: so the chipsets for desktop athlon64's can handle multiple CPUs?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid_goth: yeah I'm looking to purchase one in a few months
[03:27] <Fackamato> jamesh: chipsets?
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> jamesh: no, dualcore amd64 is not SMP
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> in the old sense
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> HrdwrBoB: buy me one while you are at it
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> not like a pentium D is jsut two p4 cores stuck together
[03:28] <jamesh> HrdwrBoB: I was under the impression that it was traditional SMP -- just that the chips are on the same piece of silicon, and share a frontside bus
[03:28] <mjr> umm, AFAIK socket 939-based motherboards should be able to house a dualcore athlon with a bios upgrade (at least that's what they keep telling me)
[03:28] <HrdwrBoB> jamesh: not at all, it's quite a lot better than tradional SMP
[03:28] <mjr> (current 939 amd64 systems, that is)
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> how long before linux will support dual core? after the release?
[03:28] <mjr> hybrid_goth, probably right away
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> IBM is working on dual core... SWEEET Dual Core PPC
[03:29] <jamesh> for DDR2
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> mjr: like instantly or a few eex
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> jamesh: they do, the memory controller is linked to both cores
[03:29] <Fackamato> http://www.chip-architect.com/news/opteron_dualcore_make_up.jpg
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> jamesh: which amd can do because the memory controller is on die
[03:29] <james_> does the athlon 64 still have a 64 bit memory bus?
[03:30] <Fackamato> which one?
[03:30] <mjr> hybrid_goth, "instantly" would be my guess, I doubt it looks that much different than traditional SMP to the OS
[03:30] <Fackamato> 754 has 64bit memory bus, all opterons and 939 athlon 64's has a 128bit memory bus ("dual channel")
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> kool
[03:30] <jamesh> HrdwrBoB: DDR2 is not just a bump in clock speed for DDR.  I'd be surprised (but happy) if the new CPUs support both
[03:30] <Bicchi> does anyone knows how to configure xorg.conf for a dual display using xinerama?
[03:31] <james_> oh.. i read the opteron was 144 bit.. or is that outdated?
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> jamesh: unlikely DDR2 is going to get anywhere soon
[03:31] <Fackamato> 144 bit in what sense?
[03:31] <james_> (the article was from 2003)
[03:31] <james_> the memory controller
[03:31] <MindSpore> with the ubuntu live distro, can i switch which cd-drive the livecd is in... while its still running?
[03:31] <mjr> Bicchi, google for Xinerama howto
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> MindSpore: no.
[03:31] <Fackamato> james_: no, the memory controller is 128-bit.
[03:31] <james_> cool :)
[03:31] <Fackamato> there is an opteron model called 144 though
[03:31] <Bicchi> mjr: yeah been there done that. i am still lost.
[03:32] <MindSpore> HrdwrBoB: can i take it out to burn a file?
[03:32] <james_> hmm.. so the only real benefits of the opteron over a amd 64 is larger cache (given both were socket 939)?
[03:32] <a_monkey> hmm... a users-powerpc mailing list would be quite useful
[03:32] <james_> and support for multi-cpu setups
[03:33] <Fackamato> opterons use ecc memory, can do multi-cpu setups
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> MindSpore: I'm not sure
[03:33] <Fackamato> and has 1MB cache
[03:33] <bodaciousb> how do i install a tar.gz file?
[03:33] <james_> bodaciousb, ./configure, make, make install
[03:33] <Fackamato> bodaciousb: you don't, you unpack it and look what's inside and follow any included instructions
[03:33] <bodaciousb> ok thanks guys
[03:34] <jamaisvu> i'm having problems installing my logitech quickcam, i don't have a /dev/video0, it's missing
[03:34] <jackmacokc> what model jamaisvu
[03:34] <jamaisvu> i don't really know, to be honest
[03:34] <jamaisvu> here's the lsusb: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:08f0 Logitech, Inc.
[03:34] <sig> does anyone know the program that puts computers in sleep mode?
[03:36] <jamaisvu> i know my version of quickcam uses the qc-usb drivers, which i've installed with apt
[03:38] <james_> hmmm... the athlon 64 san diego has  1mb of cache
[03:39] <sig> before the upgrade to hoary I was able to put my laptop in sleep mode.... now it won't do it
[03:39] <robink> What x86 CPU is Ubuntu compiled for?
[03:39] <sig> any ideas?
[03:39] <robink> 386, or something better?
[03:39] <jackmacokc> 386 by default robink
[03:40] <jackmacokc> 686 kernels are available though
[03:40] <chris> how do i get an openGL screensaver to work
[03:40] <UrbanFox[Mercena> hey
[03:40] <robink> jackmacokc: Just like debian, sigh.
[03:40] <UrbanFox[Mercena> if I'm installing Gentoo over an existing distro
[03:40] <UrbanFox[Mercena> and I had /home/urbanfox on a different drive on a different mount...
[03:40] <UrbanFox[Mercena> will it cause problems when I set urbanfox as my default user and it makes it for me?
[03:41] <jackmacokc> jamaisvu: have you checked this out? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24827&highlight=quickcam
[03:41] <james_> why gentoo?
[03:41] <XTCboarder> jackmacokc an athlon xp what is 386 or 686?
[03:41] <chris> UrbanFox[Mercena, fyi were in the friggen #ubuntu channel
[03:41] <UrbanFox[Mercena> er. Ubuntu over gentoo
[03:41] <chris> lol
[03:41] <UrbanFox[Mercena> otherway aruond, sorry XD
[03:41] <chris> i just installed ubuntu over gentoo
[03:41] <jackmacokc> XTCboarder: an intel chip
[03:41] <chris> how do i get an openGL screensaver to work
[03:41] <james_> www.funroll-loops.org
[03:41] <XTCboarder> ??
[03:41] <[uhelp] > ??[x] : Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] 
[03:41] <^thehatsrule^> xscreensaver?
[03:42] <UrbanFox[Mercena> Will Ubuntu overwrite my existing /home/urbanfox when it creates the new user? (I know I already told it NOT to format it. since that would be, you know. bad.
[03:42] <XTCboarder> i dunno much about processors..... i know nothing really
[03:42] <chris> how do i get an openGL screensaver to work
[03:42] <chris> how do i get an openGL screensaver to work
[03:42] <XTCboarder> which would be the kernel i have to use then?
 jackmacokc an athlon xp what is 386 or 686? <- neither, it's k7.
[03:42] <james_> UrbanFox[Mercena, you should be okay
[03:42] <chris> sry 4 the persistanceness
[03:42] <Fackamato> By that I mean, use the k7 kernel.
[03:42] <XTCboarder> :p
[03:42] <XTCboarder> hum....
[03:43] <chrisss> how do i get an openGL screensaver to work
[03:43] <james_> chrisss, what video card do you have
[03:43] <Fackamato> By shutting up
[03:43] <XTCboarder> thx Fackamato
[03:43] <Fackamato> np
[03:43] <chrisss> SRY!
[03:43] <Fackamato> PLZ!
[03:43] <chrisss> nvidia GeForce x
[03:43] <Fackamato> haha
[03:43] <james_> have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[03:43] <chrisss> Fackamato, i wasnt sure if i had to be identified
[03:43] <chrisss> nt sure brb
[03:44] <james_> you would know if you did
[03:44] <Fackamato> it would be faster to run to terminal > apt-cache policy package
[03:44] <emacsen> How do I request packages in Unbuntu be updated?
[03:44] <james_> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:44] <emacsen> james no, I mean there's something in Sid I want in Breezy
[03:44] <chrisss> installed: nvidia-glx, Nvidia glx-dev, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-settings
[03:44] <^thehatsrule^> or synaptic :)
[03:45] <james_> add sid to your sources.list and have apt prefer testing
[03:45] <james_> chrisss, have you compiled the nvidia kernel?
[03:45] <jambon> has anyone here installed dc++?
[03:45] <james_> jambon: yes
[03:45] <emacsen> is apt prfer newer than pinning?
[03:45] <sbcl3> DevC++?
[03:45] <chrisss> damn.... ive gotta compile the kernel??
[03:45] <xMaximex_> how can i use play command to play a sound even if i'm listening to a mp3 for exemple
[03:45] <jambon> james: can you help me
[03:45] <chrisss> i cant just do a module?
[03:46] <jackmacokc> anyone experience memory leaks in hoary?
[03:46] <jambon> james: I'm running into problem simply getting the bloody file
[03:46] <james_> chrisss: there might be a precompiled package
[03:46] <james_> jambon: are you using the linux branch?
[03:46] <chrisss> can i do a module? not the whole damned kernel?
[03:46] <jambon> james_: ya
[03:46] <jackmacokc> james_ whats that
[03:47] <sig> can anyone get their computer to sleep?
[03:47] <sig> I was able to in warty but not now in hoary
[03:47] <Kisain> whats a memory leak?
[03:47] <sig> and this new hibernate thing, how do you get it to wake back up?
[03:47] <james_> chrisss: you can try
[03:47] <james_> chrisss: you'll need the source to build against
[03:47] <chrisss> damn....
[03:48] <james_> just cp /boot/config-(kernelname) /usr/src/kernel-source-(kernelname)/.config
[03:48] <james_> make oldconfig
[03:48] <james_> make-kpkg modules_image
[03:48] <emacsen> is apt-prefer different than pinning?
[03:48] <james_> and see if that works
[03:48] <james_> emacsen: yes
[03:48] <emacsen> james there a doc on prefer?
[03:49] <emacsen> ah found it. this is new
[03:49] <james_> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version
[03:49] <james_> emacsen: with pinning you specify specific packages to be kept, while as with prefer, you prefer a distrubtion..
[03:50] <emacsen> james got it. I guess I'll need to do this
[03:50] <james_> emacsen: it's really cool.  i got a sarge base, some stuff from unstable, and xfce 4.2 from experimental
[03:51] <XTCboarder> what's the diference between linux-k7 and linux-image-k7... what's this about "complete" kernel....
[03:51] <Edgan> XTCboarder: linux-k7 is a metapackage, I think
[03:52] <jambon> james_, how did you install it? cvs?
[03:52] <jambon> james_, i found this tutorial, it'st just that the second command in the first post doesn't work
[03:52] <XTCboarder> and metapackage is....?
[03:52] <jambon> james_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378
[03:53] <Edgan> XTCboarder: a package that doesn't contain anything of it's own, but ties a set of packages together
[03:53] <XTCboarder> oh....
[03:53] <Edgan> XTCboarder: like the image, the modules, etc
[03:53] <areyes> which is the root password in a new instalation of ubuntu? or how to I get root access?
[03:54] <^thehatsrule^> use sudo blah areyes
[03:54] <Edgan> areyes: there isn't one, and you use sudo passwd to set one
[03:54] <james_> jambon: sudo cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.linuxdcpp.berlios.de:/cvsroot/linuxdcpp login ??
[03:54] <XTCboarder> but what's teh diference between... "Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7" and "Linux kernel image on AMD K7" <<< no modules on the second? so i need special modules for this k7 kernel?
[03:54] <Edgan> areyes: ubuntu has a odd sudo setup
[03:54] <astro76> areyes: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:54] <areyes> Edgan: cool
[03:55] <Edgan> XTCboarder: Complete is the metapackage which has a dependecy of the kernel modules, where the kernel image is just the kernel without all the modules
[03:55] <XTCboarder> oh.... and do i need this modules for using the k7 kernel?
[03:55] <Edgan> XTCboarder: yes
[03:55] <XTCboarder> :)
[03:55] <XTCboarder> thx
[03:55] <IIIEars> Edgan - It'll kick your butt for a day or two - i am new and sure has kicked mine
[03:56] <Edgan> IIIEars: What has?
[03:56] <IIIEars> Sudo
[03:56] <XTCboarder> and why modules are "restricted" :S
[03:56] <defakto> having not attempted to install ubuntu yet, is it possible to install the os without a gui
[03:56] <Edgan> IIIEars: I don't like sudo. I know what it does. I have been using Linux for years.
[03:57] <Edgan> XTCboarder: restricted means licencing issues, or other issues
[03:57] <Edgan> XTCboarder: like binary firmware for wireless
[03:57] <XTCboarder> oh... pure crap then :p
[03:57] <XTCboarder> downloading.....
[03:57] <XTCboarder> thx edgan
[03:57] <Edgan> XTCboarder: nah, I need restricted for my madwifi driver that makes my wireless work
[03:58] <XTCboarder> :p
[03:58] <Edgan> XTCboarder: One way to look at "restricted" is "different" or "special"
[03:58] <XTCboarder> that's what i tried to mean...
[03:58] <Edgan> ok
[03:59] <XTCboarder> it0s like "restricted" might aswell have been omited
[03:59] <Edgan> IIIEars: I would prefer if ubuntu dropped sudo and had people use root where needed. One password for everything is worse.
[03:59] <XTCboarder> (i don't speak english so i might not be expressing myself 100%)
[03:59] <Edgan> XTCboarder: not quite, but yeah
[03:59] <XTCboarder> :p
[04:00] <IIIEars> heh Ubuntu makes a big design decision using that way  -afraid i agree
[04:01] <Edgan> IIIEars: It makes it more user-friendly, and somewhat newbieish
[04:01] <XTCboarder> !
[04:01] <XTCboarder> downloading.....
[04:01] <lexhider> how do I change editor that crontab -e, mutt uses?
[04:01] <ryman_> I installed limewire and now I want to uninstall it to install the pro version
[04:01] <XTCboarder> should my box run somewhat daster?
[04:01] <sysrq> lexhider: export EDITOR=nano or whatever
[04:01] <ryman_> how do I uninstall limewire ? It iisn't in synaptic
[04:01] <IIIEars> User friendly? - hm
[04:01] <XTCboarder> *faster
[04:02] <IIIEars> It takes a few distros for most before they D/L Ubuntu. - It really threw me.
[04:02] <jambon> james_, sorry, i was distracted by a shiny object.....but I did that
[04:03] <drcode> hi all
[04:03] <james_> jambon, so which line are you having trouble with?
[04:03] <drcode> I cant make my nvidia 100 work with redrding
[04:03] <lexhider> sysrq: I had EDITOR set but forget about export, thanks
[04:03] <Edgan> IIIEars: I have pretty much tried them all at one point or another.
[04:03] <drcode> I have nvidia 2
[04:03] <james_> IIIEars, i'm using debian right now
[04:03] <james_> IIIEars, do you think ubuntu is better than debian?
[04:04] <lexxan_> I like the default hardware support
[04:04] <msg43> hi
[04:04] <lexxan_> hi.
[04:04] <spiderworm> is ubuntu glibc based?  does it use pthreads?
[04:04] <james_> debian doesn't have gnome 2.10 in unstable
[04:04] <james_> yet
[04:04] <msg43> there is a user in a distro channel that not for noobs
[04:04] <Edgan> I think it depends to a certain extent. Overall I like Ubuntu more, bit it has some maturing to do.
[04:04] <msg43> he needs spanish distro
[04:04] <IIIEars> "" from tom root boot disk through firewalls and solaris. - Decent hardware detection hooked me.
[04:04] <msg43> isn't there a ubuntu version in spanish?
[04:05] <msg43> if so can I have a link to the page to give him
[04:05] <jambon> james_, cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.linuxdcpp.berlios.de:/cvsroot/linuxdcpp co linuxdcpp
[04:05] <drcode> any one know if GeForce2 MX 100 DDR/200 DDR support direct in glinfo ?
[04:05] <drcode> glxinf
[04:05] <drcode> glxinfo
[04:05] <Edgan> james_: I think I read of some gnome 2.10 packages for Debian.
[04:05] <jambon> it keeps telling me bash: cvs: command not found
[04:05] <Edgan> james_: But that is Debian biggest issue, speed of packages/releases.
[04:05] <james_> Edgan, they are all in experimental, and they broke my gnome setup when i tried to upgrade
[04:06] <james_> jambon: apt-get install cvs
[04:06] <sean_> hi
[04:06] <Edgan> james_: It is the biggest reason I don't use Debian
[04:06] <james_> Edgan, yah, i can see that.  experimental tends to have the latest software, but it's hit or miss
[04:07] <james_> like, xfce works great from experimental, but gnome 2.10 from experimental sent me back a day or two
[04:07] <msg43> I guess not
[04:07] <Edgan> james_: I think Ubuntu will likely hit it's sweet spot when Breezy is released if they keep things up.
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> msg43: maybe noone *KNOWS*
[04:08] <Edgan> msg43: You are asking about Spanish in a English speaking channel, don't be surprised when you don't get an answer.
[04:08] <IIIEars> What are some of the differences between "hardened" linux and what we are using now?
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> msg43: look on ubuntu.com
[04:08] <amonkey> can i make totem buffer a dvd?
[04:08] <msg43> Edgan, I was wondering if there was a spanish thing of ubuntu
[04:09] <Edgan> msg43: We wouldn't know, we don't speak spanish and hence don't use it.
[04:09] <thegreedyturtle> hardened means it has many extra security measures
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> there are olot of spanish _thing_s in ubuntu
[04:09] <ryman> can someone please help me to uninstall limewire ?
[04:09] <Edgan> IIIEars: a hardened linux wouldn't use ubuntu's sudo setup
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> ryman
[04:09] <msg43> oh thoguht it was there the main page and I was missing it
[04:09] <james_> msg43: http://www.es.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/index.es.html
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> : man dpkg look for uninstall
[04:09] <james_> ryman, how did you install it?
[04:10] <ryman> james_+  I followed the guide on ubuntuguide.org
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> james_ prolly dpkg
[04:10] <ryman> hybrid_goth+  I'm new to linux , can you please explain it ?
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> ryman: compile dpkg .bin...?
[04:10] <gorilla_> IIIEars, to reiterate what Egan said: the idea that any user can use sudo sucessfully is inappropriate..
[04:10] <ryman> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:10] <james_> ryman: rm -rf /opt/LimeWire
[04:10] <ryman> i followd that guide,
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> ryman: did you use a .deb file
[04:10] <Edgan> gorilla_: not any user, just ones in the sudo group
[04:11] <Fackamato> It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is.
[04:11] <Fackamato> If you don't, it's its.  Then too, it's hers.  It isn't her's. It isn't
[04:11] <Fackamato> our's either.  It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
[04:11] <Edgan> gorilla_: which by default is the user you setup during install
[04:11] <ryman> i installed the normal limewire by this guide http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire , then I installed the limewire pro version by .deb file
[04:11] <thegreedyturtle> tip: don't use rm -rf /whatever/ instead use 'mv /whatever ~./Trash'
[04:11] <ryman> so right now I have 2 version of limewire
[04:11] <gggg> hi... Im new at ubuntu, What happened with smbmount!??
[04:11] <ryman> so I want to get rid of the free one and use the pro
[04:11] <yfir> gorilla_: try adding a new user. they won't have sudo privledges
[04:12] <benplaut> ryman: where did you get the pro deb?
[04:12] <ryman> I downloaded it from limewire.com
[04:12] <benplaut> oh
[04:12] <Edgan> What is especially silly about the sudo setup, is the menus items expect sudo, and hence some are broken when you are a user with out sudo
[04:12] <gggg> hi... Im new to ubuntu, What happened with smbmount!??
[04:12] <IIIEars> Command line security doesn't bother me maybe as much as it should. the browser files are my worst fear. just hoping that there is more buffer overflow protection.
[04:13] <gorilla_> gggg: try install smbfs :-)
[04:13] <Edgan> IIIEars: That is where various tricks like exec-shield, NX bit, PAX, etc come in. But none cover all the bases. There are more than buffer overflows.
[04:13] <yfir> IIIEars: if that's your worry, a "hardened" distro won't help you much
[04:13] <gggg> I see thanks gorilla_
[04:14] <IIIEars> Tripwire integrated -smoothly- into Ubuntu would be terrific.
[04:14] <Edgan> IIIEars: tripwire is a complex mess
[04:14] <gggg> gorilla_,  Synaptic doesnt have it in the official directories..
[04:14] <gggg> the official repositories I meant
[04:14] <IIIEars> Edgan - Thank You - More reading to do. :) - Off to google it.
[04:15] <thechitowncubs> Hey, why does gnomebaker take forever to convert the songs?
[04:15] <gorilla_> ggg: checking which repo.
[04:15] <thechitowncubs> Nero seemed to go A LOT faster on windows
[04:15] <gggg> I just want to know what did they replaced it for?
[04:15] <thechitowncubs> is there anything that I need to install to make it go faster?
[04:15] <thegreedyturtle> prelink?
[04:15] <thegreedyturtle> ok no
[04:15] <thechitowncubs> My sister's computer is 500mhz, is it supposed to take forever to convert the mp3's?
[04:16] <thechitowncubs> Alright, I'll let someone answer and stop rambling :)
[04:16] <thegreedyturtle> First I'd have to ask what you are comparing it to?
[04:16] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: depends on the software/quality, but in general, yeah
[04:16] <z3k3> convert the mp3's to what? wav?
[04:16] <thechitowncubs> Edgan: what does nero do differently to go so fast, it was like real time...
[04:16] <thegreedyturtle> 500 mhz is not gonna be too good w/ mp3s... he is converting to wav since he's burning an audio cd
[04:17] <IIIEars> maybe hiding as much info from 'net as possible and being part of a smaller user base will be enough. (crosses fingers)
[04:17] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: faster under linux? faster than what?
[04:17] <gggg> gorilla_, dont worry, thanks alot...
[04:17] <thechitowncubs> What?
[04:17] <z3k3> generally mp3 to wav (decoding) is faster than extracting (decoding)
[04:17] <gggg> I thought there was some other alternative to smbfs so Ubuntu decided not to include it
[04:17] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: nero, what is it faster at, and in what situtation
[04:17] <z3k3> but expect it to take 30+ seconds per mp3
[04:17] <z3k3> easy
[04:17] <thechitowncubs> Burning an audio cd...
[04:18] <Edgan> Oh, probably using dma
[04:18] <gorilla_> gggg: it is in universe or multiverse... been trying to work out which..
[04:18] <z3k3> my 600mhz would take upwards of 3 to 6 minutes to do 15 songs
[04:18] <Marble2> is there any possibility of getting shockwave to work under linux?
[04:18] <thegreedyturtle> yeah, what's the time right now? we need some more details thechitowncubs
[04:18] <gggg> gorilla_, Ill get it, thanks!
[04:18] <thechitowncubs> The time, about 1 percent a minute (it seems)
[04:18] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: A long standing issue under Linux has been audio cds are burning without DMA, unlike data cds
[04:18] <thechitowncubs> Edgan: does that effect the converting phase?
[04:19] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: mp3 to audio?
[04:19] <ryman> can someone pleae help me with uninstall LimeWire ?
[04:19] <thechitowncubs> Mp3 to whatever format the cd uses
[04:19] <thechitowncubs> ryman: ill help you
[04:19] <thechitowncubs> pm me
[04:19] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: no, conversion is a whole other question. I am just talking about burning wav/audio to cd
[04:20] <thechitowncubs> Ya, the burning part doesn't seem hideously slow, its the converting phase...
[04:20] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: ah, nero could be using crappy encoding to be fast, or may just have a really optimized encoder
[04:20] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: actually, that would be decoder
[04:20] <astro76> ryman: I think someone already answered you... rm -rf /opt/LimeWire
[04:21] <Edgan> thechitowncubs: genrally decoding is not an issue
[04:21] <ryman> astro76+  it doens't work
[04:21] <james_> hey, what's the best chipset/mobo for an athlon 64? nforce3-250gb?
[04:21] <z3k3> thechitowncubs: what app are you using to decode your mp3's?
[04:21] <Zugot> my new laptop has SATA.... I'm still in shock
[04:21] <astro76> ryman: why not?
[04:21] <Zotnix> Hrm. What's the command to reconfigure a package?
[04:21] <thechitowncubs> I'm using gnomebaker
[04:21] <thegreedyturtle> james_, try poking around at arstechnica.com and tomshardwareguide.com
[04:21] <Edgan> james_: I am very happy with my nforce3 ultra, but the nforce4 ultra is also good
[04:22] <Zotnix> I thought it was apt-get reconfigure <package> but I guess not ;/
[04:22] <astro76> ryman: sudo rm -rf /opt/LimeWire
[04:22] <james_> thegreedyturtle, i'm at anandtech right now, they have nothing but good things to say about the nforce and linux... hmmm...
[04:22] <z3k3> thechitowncubs: what does gnomebaker use mpg123?
[04:22] <Edgan> james_: I have a MSI Neo2 Plat
[04:22] <thechitowncubs> I'm not sure
[04:22] <lexxan> Does anyone know some good xmms skins?
[04:22] <Edgan> james_: I mean MSI K8N Neo2 Plat
[04:23] <lexxan> dpkg-reconfigure
[04:23] <lexxan> to reconfig packages
[04:23] <ryman> astro76+  it did the job but limewire is still in the menu
[04:23] <ryman> and when I click on it. its still running
[04:23] <james_> Edgan, how is the performance, stablity and price?
[04:23] <Edgan> james_: I got mine before the nforce4s finally came to market in reason numbers and prices
[04:23] <yangsx> is it possible to browse NTFS partition without sudo?
[04:23] <james_> yangsx, yes
[04:24] <Edgan> james_: Overall, all great. Processor was a little pricy at $300, but that is the sweet spot. The next step was like another $150-200
[04:24] <james_> yangsx, edit your fstab and make the umask 0000
[04:24] <lexxan> yangsx
[04:24] <lexxan> ?? mountntfs
[04:24] <[uhelp] > mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:24] <yangsx> james_: how? I mount NTFS with option user
[04:24] <darkaudit> ?? mldonkey
[04:24] <[uhelp] > mldonkey[x] : No defenition found for word.
[04:24] <z3k3> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/winblows
[04:24] <Edgan> james_: I have a A64 3500+
[04:24] <james_> Edgan, haha. right now i have an ecs k7s5a, athlon xp 2200+, each cost like $50
[04:24] <z3k3> er mount -t ntfs i think
[04:24] <lexxan> I'm on a 1ghz athlon :/
[04:25] <Edgan> james_: I was using a msi kt333 board with a xp 2500+
[04:25] <james_> Edgan, hmm...
[04:25] <ryman> astro76+  it worked, thanks
[04:25] <Edgan> james_: I have a machine now that is a ecs something with xp 1700+
[04:25] <darkaudit> got my 2500+ running as a 3200+ :)
[04:25] <bzbb> when I try to acces the website I host of my computer, I get a 401 error
[04:25] <bzbb> it used to work
[04:26] <Edgan> james_: the 2500+ is now in my server
[04:26] <IIIEars> bzbb - are you using a router?
[04:26] <bzbb> IIIEars, yes
[04:26] <urbanfox> how do I reconfigure xorg
[04:26] <james_> Edgan, yah, i know, the whole athlon xp line is relatively fast and stable
[04:26] <Edgan> james_: This A64 system is the most stable system I have had in years. I am glad I got away from VIA stuff.
[04:27] <IIIEars> Is your server is behind the router? if it is it's assigned a lan address.
[04:27] <bzbb> wait, I think its my ISP
[04:27] <james_> Edgan, my ecs setup hasn't crashed sinced i've owned it... do you think that's possible with the a64?
[04:27] <yangsx> what is the correct /etc/fstab line for mounting ntfs?
[04:27] <bzbb> yeah, its my ISP, bastards
[04:27] <Edgan> james_: yes, though you always run the risk of happening to get bad hardware
[04:28] <james_> Edgan, yah, i know...  well at least i'll have confidence the stuff is pretty mature :)
[04:28] <IIIEars> Don't have enough info to be really helpful - check the ip it is assigned.
[04:28] <james_> yangsx, try google...
[04:29] <thundrcleeze> yangsx, it's on www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:29] <bzbb> IIIEars, I just determined that my ISP redirects traffic on port 80 to a webserver that gives a 401 error
[04:29] <Edgan> james_: I would probably go with a nforce4 ultra now. I am thinking of getting another combo when dual cores come out.
[04:29] <IIIEars> That's terrible. - geez
[04:29] <james_> bzbb, is it possible your isp doesn't want webservers on its network?
[04:29] <Edgan> bzbb: where do you live?
[04:29] <bzbb> Edgan, connecticut
[04:29] <kanuha> How do I enable DMS on my cdrom?
[04:29] <Edgan> bzbb: extra lame
[04:30] <kanuha> DMA
[04:30] <bzbb> yeah, charter is a bunch of jerks
[04:30] <bzbb> time to run one on a high port
[04:30] <Edgan> bzbb: I have charter here, they don't seem to do that
[04:30] <IIIEars> lol
[04:30] <bzbb> such a pain to transfer files between home and school
[04:30] <yangsx> this is my first try with ubuntu, the ntfs partion is corrected mounted, but only sudo can I browse the mounted directory?
[04:30] <Edgan> bzbb: I solve that issue by having charter and sdsl
[04:30] <james_> yangsx, umount it, remout with umask 0000
[04:31] <bzbb> we are moving to dsl soon, I hope
[04:31] <Edgan> dsl can have it's own issues
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> yangsx, edit the /etc/fstab file... adding the umask 0000 to the ntfs line
[04:31] <james_> Edgan, who do you think makes the best nforce 4 ultra board?
[04:31] <Edgan> flaky copper and pppoe
[04:32] <bzbb> yeah
[04:32] <Edgan> james_: don't know, I have had good luck with MSI with my last two boards. But there are horror stories with everyone
[04:32] <bzbb> also, the fact the phone sucks as much as the cable company
[04:32] <james_> Edgan, yah i know..  i wish it wasn't always a shot in the dark
[04:33] <james_> Edgan, the last sure shot was my ecs k7s5a 4 years ago... fast, stable, new, and super cheap($65)
[04:33] <Edgan> james_: I have even heard horror stories about the board I have. The worst I have had is a lock up or two. But may have just been Linux and not the hardware.
[04:34] <Edgan> james_: my ecs is an all in one, which works ok, but gave me trouble with Ubuntu Hoary.
[04:34] <yangsx> thanks,  I get it, though I never twiddle with umask in mount options in fstab
[04:34] <yangsx> join #ocaml
[04:34] <Edgan> james_: it is also micro atx, with crappy onboard video. So it is limited.
[04:35] <yangsx> oops
[04:35] <Edgan> yangsx: there is uid= and gid= too
[04:36] <james_> Edgan, yuck, all in ones
[04:37] <Edgan> james_: I wasn't happy with VIA. AMD chipsets were always behind. SiS wasn't supported well enough. Nvidia had promise with nforce and nforce2s, but the support wasn't quite there. Then I read of the fully supported nforce3s and jumped on it.
[04:38] <james_> Edgan, hmm.. i'm kinda weary of nvidia's closed source drivers... i had a real bad problem with my nvidia card + there drivers- my computer would hard lock every time the video card was put under stress
[04:38] <Edgan> james_: They had to reverse engineer one of the network cards to write a driver, though I think now Nvidia supplies patches.
[04:38] <Edgan> james_: yeah, generally binary drivers will give you random fits, and I have had plenty in the past.
[04:39] <Edgan> james_: I have been using nvidia binary drivers off and on in the last few months and have yet to have a problem.
[04:39] <yangsx> Edgan: so setting the uid/gid options will have the same result
[04:39] <yangsx> thanks
[04:39] <Edgan> yangsx: no exactly, but maybe a better one
[04:40] <XTCboarder> can somebody tell me what's this file for? /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-k7
[04:40] <james_> Edgan... hmmmmmmmmm... i guess the choice is between getting an nforce 4 board or an sis board
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> XTCboarder: it's the initial ram disk
[04:40] <XTCboarder> !
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> that's what loads the drivers and things into your kernel
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> before you boot off your root drive
[04:40] <XTCboarder> what happens if i don't use it?
[04:40] <Edgan> james_: if you want open source 3D you can go with a Radeon 9200, but the radeon xorg driver seems to have bugs up the yeng yang.
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> then it's quite possible your system won't boot correctly
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> james_: nforce 4 > sis by a massive margin
[04:41] <XTCboarder> cause that's the reason why my box it's NOT booting correctly.... it boot's when it feel like :p
[04:41] <IIIEars> "power savings" - wide grin
[04:41] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: agreed
[04:42] <james_> XTCboarder, then you need to compile in: support for your fs, support for your hard drive controller (be it ide or scsi)
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> there is no current open source wya to get decent 3d in linux
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> I still have my G400
[04:42] <XTCboarder> i'lll write that down....
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> but it's way too slow
[04:42] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: The 9200 should be as good as the G400
[04:42] <XTCboarder> anyway i'll try without it... as slack does
[04:42] <james_> XTCboarder, there might be more
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> Edgan: yeah but they're both incredibly slow and lacking in features in comparison with a newer card
[04:42] <james_> XTCboader, lemme think real quick
[04:43] <XTCboarder> i'll give it come tries
[04:43] <z3k3> anyone know how to force the gnome desktop to refresh?
[04:43] <sig> is there a new kernel coming out?
[04:43] <XTCboarder> thank for pointing me in some direction....
[04:43] <XTCboarder> :)
[04:43] <z3k3> sig: 2.6.12 is in development
[04:43] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: yeah, for Linux, I would say go nvidia if you want a card newer than the 9200. The nvidia are much better supported by things like cedega
[04:43] <lexxan> z3k3, ctrl-alt-backspace to restart it
[04:43] <z3k3> lexxan: bahh.. a way without restarting.
[04:43] <thundrcleeze> yes, sig.  There's always a new kernel coming out.'
[04:43] <james_> XTCboarder, yah, that's it.  it should work (i'm doing it right now)
[04:44] <thundrcleeze> z3k3, there's a way, but that's faster.
[04:44] <james_> hmm... so for the nforce 4 ultra boards... are you gonna be using mostly open or closed source drivers?
[04:44] <z3k3> thundercleeze: i just found the faster way... "CTRL+R"
[04:44] <z3k3> simple
[04:44] <z3k3> :)
[04:44] <Edgan> james_: note, the nforce4 is pcie, you ready to go to pcie?
[04:45] <Edgan> james_: I think the nforce4 have open drivers for everything
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend nforce4, a64 3200+, 6600GT
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> Edgan: for the board, yes
[04:45] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: Why not a 3500?
[04:45] <lexxan> Dunno if anyone cares or not but just found some ubuntu cd covers to print
[04:45] <lexxan> http://www.schultz-net.dk/cdcovers.html
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> Edgan: not worth the increase in price (at least in $AU)
[04:45] <ubuntu> madness
[04:45] <Edgan> lexxan: print, bleh
[04:45] <james_> i think i'm gonna get the 3800 san diego... 1 mb cache, 90nm die...
[04:46] <james_> 1ghz fsb
[04:46] <z3k3> lexxan: thanks for the link.
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> 3200 $258, 3500 $309
[04:46] <lexxan> cool its got grub spash images too :P
[04:46] <hippy> hey has somebody installed ubuntu on an amd64 laptop emachines
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> er $369
[04:46] <lexxan> loading*
[04:47] <james_> Edgan, pcie shouldn't be a problem, i'm buying a completely new computer
[04:47] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: I went for the noticable difference, 2500+ to 3500+. Here, $170 3200+, $250 3500+
[04:48] <Edgan> james_: ok, pcie video cards are cheaper, but at the time I didn't want to buy a new video card and didn't want to wait for the nforce4s to finally come out
[04:48] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: $380 3800+
[04:48] <james_> Edgan, do you think i could get a pci scsi card working?
[04:48] <Edgan> james_: yes
[04:48] <Edgan> james_: scsi what?
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> james_: it should 'just work'
[04:49] <james_> 160... maybe 320 if i can find a cheap one
[04:49] <Edgan> james_: I mean more for what
[04:49] <james_> oh, i'm sick of IDE
[04:49] <Edgan> SATA is sweet
[04:49] <z3k3> james_: go to SATA
[04:50] <jackmacokc> sata is good stuff
[04:50] <z3k3> james_: SCSI is, Loud and expensive per GB
[04:50] <jackmacokc> way quieter than scsi
[04:50] <XTCboarder> :( paniked
[04:50] <z3k3> :)
[04:50] <james_> XTCboarder, where did it panic?
[04:51] <thundrcleeze> Why are the system requirements so much higher with hoary than warty?
[04:51] <Unfrgiven> hey all ive got a friend trying to install ubuntu on a thinkpad R31. he said that he has screen corruption as soon as the install starts and hence can't install. is there any tricks i can ask him to try? i have him on instant messenger right now so i could prolly try stuff
[04:51] <james_> hmm... scsi 320 is def. faster than sata... but is scsi 160 faster than sata?
[04:52] <Edgan> james_: really depends more on the rpm and latency of the drive
[04:52] <z3k3> Unfrgiven: look for a "text" mode.
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> james_: SCSI drives are disproportionately expensive
[04:52] <Unfrgiven> z3k3: look where?
[04:52] <Edgan> james_: sata 150, scsi 160, scsi 320 is just the road, rpm is the engine
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> james_: I would highly recommend SATA with (for example) a 3ware raid card
[04:52] <z3k3> Unfrgiven: when at the boot prompt, press ? or F1 or whatever it says for help
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> you can use cheap easily available SATA drives
[04:52] <Edgan> HrdwrBoB: 3ware is overkill in most cases
[04:52] <james_> i know... i'm assuming the drives are identical other than the bus
[04:53] <z3k3> HRDwBOB: I agree i used a 3ware SATA RAID Card.. very nice.
[04:53] <Amaranth> does anyone know what the path would be (/dev/whatever) for a USB printer?
[04:53] <sig> hmm
[04:53] <Edgan> I would suggest either WD Raptor drives(10k rpm), or Seagate SATA drives
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> Edgan: possibly, but if he's talking abotu SCSI
[04:53] <sig> 2.6.11 is the latest stable kernel
[04:53] <Unfrgiven> z3k3: ok im waiting for his response.
[04:53] <z3k3> sig: why are you wanting a newer kernel now?  are you having driver issues?
[04:54] <z3k3> sig: or hardware compatibility issues or something?
[04:54] <james_> Amaranth, /dev/usb/lp0
[04:54] <Amaranth> yeah, i just got that :)
[04:54] <Amaranth> thanks anyway
[04:54] <Marble2> is there good software for linux to create an animated .gif ?
[04:54] <sig> z3k3: yes
[04:54] <sig> acpi issues
[04:54] <sig> brb
[04:55] <Edgan> I am still using PATA drives with PATA to SATA convertors. There were some really good PATA deals a few times, and I picked up plenty of PATA. I have two 250gb drives in this system.
[04:55] <z3k3> sig: i have a 2.6.12-custom 386/686 kernel you could try if your brave... :)
[04:55] <sig> z3k3: it's not stable
[04:56] <z3k3> sure it is
[04:56] <sig> "stable" is the key word for me
[04:56] <z3k3> i'm running it now
[04:56] <sig> :)
[04:56] <z3k3> is this a production box your working on or workstation
[04:56] <sig> it is not "stable"
[04:56] <sig> a stable release
[04:56] <benplaut> *Ping Timeout: z3k3  :)
[04:56] <z3k3> ping what now?
[04:56] <sig> I keep this laptop "stable" ie. all packages etc have to be stable
[04:56] <sig> :)
[04:56] <benplaut> z3k3: unstable :)
[04:57] <hippy_s> hey can somenody helpme
[04:57] <z3k3> sig: i understand.  just letting you know incase it helped.  I had to custom build a VIA VT6410 Raid controller patch in.
[04:57] <z3k3> hippy_s: just ask
[04:57] <gorilla_> z3k3, nice :-)
[04:58] <z3k3> my new P4-3GHZ w/ 1GB DDR, 250GB+120GB+160GB = FUN FUN FUN!  :P
[04:58] <hippy_s> z3k3: can i install ubuntu on an amd64 emachines laptop
[04:59] <thr1ce> yes
[04:59] <james_> hippy_s, i don't see why you couldn't
[04:59] <z3k3> hippy_s: amd64 i believe is available.
[04:59] <thr1ce> there is 64 bit ubuntu
[04:59] <thr1ce> just download the correct iso
[04:59] <z3k3> yep.
[04:59] <hippy_s> ok have sombody installed ubuntu on an amd64 box
[05:00] <z3k3> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso
[05:00] <z3k3> hippy_s: I'm sure lots of people have installed on a amd64
[05:00] <benplaut> hippy_s: check ubuntuforums... i;m sure many have
[05:01] <z3k3> Unfrgiven: any luck?  Someone in other channel mentioned "Unfrgiven: The "F1 at boot: prompt" gave me the right option to use on my R31 a month or so ago"
[05:01] <c5r> t
[05:01] <jordanau> ** 64
[05:01] <[uhelp] > Sorry, no matches for 64 on the defenition database. (0.024s)
[05:01] <hippy_s> ok i'll try to install ubuntu, if i have some trouble i will be around thanks everypne
[05:02] <z3k3> Unfrgiven: I imagine you will need to install in text mode, then once system loads it will probe for VGA card and sort out your graphics issues.
[05:02] <lexxan> Ok I installed fluxbox and it installed the 'menu' system/package.. Now it has made a stupid debian menu in gnome.. Anyone know how to remove it?
[05:02] <z3k3> hippy_s: why not try a live CD?
[05:02] <lexxan> the gnome menu editor doesn't have it once again
[05:02] <z3k3> hippy_s: try it before you break it
[05:02] <z3k3> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-amd64.iso
[05:03] <hippy_s> z3k3: i tried one once but i want to install ubuntu.
[05:03] <z3k3> hippy_s: I understand.  If you have issues, just ask in here.
[05:03] <limer> just discovered 'aptitude' :D  amazing!
[05:03] <z3k3> brb
[05:03] <hippy_s> well i'll be around
[05:04] <hippy_s> cya
[05:06] <Unfrgiven> z3k3: my mate is not able to find it... argh. i might have a go myself and poke around the cd
[05:06] <jordanau> limer, pretty nice huh?
[05:07] <limer> very nice :)
[05:07] <jordanau> limer, have you found synaptic?
[05:07] <limer> once I get rsync and cron down -- I will be drunken with linux power
[05:07] <limer> jordanau: yes, and it's good . . . but want to understand things at the cli
[05:08] <jordanau> limer, gotcha
[05:09] <limer> how did I ever use linux without "apt"?
[05:09] <limer> quiet here tonight
[05:09] <limer> guess I better get beer for everyone
[05:10] <drcode> any one mybe play with openvpn ?
[05:10] <drcode> I need some help , I dont know if its iptable or openvpn
[05:11] <jordanau> limer, i'll have a colt 45 thank you
[05:11] <limer> jordanau: no problem
[05:11] <limer> let me virtually pay for it first
[05:11] <jordanau> limer, shouldnt cost you much
[05:11] <limer> I'm generous
[05:12] <limer> true
[05:12] <limer> but you asked for it
[05:12] <jordanau> limer, thank you
[05:12] <limer> now clean up your puke before the dog gets to it
[05:13] <limer> yes, it gets clean but I'd rather not watch right now
[05:13] <limer> bbs.  I need to get beer irl
[05:14] <jordanau> colt 45 should be in nethack
[05:14] <jordanau> the colt 45 poisons you do you want your possesions identified?
[05:17] <lexxan> I don't think anyone knows to edit gnome menus :/ That menu editor on the forums sucks ass
[05:21] <Unfrgiven> z3k3: thanks for your help. i have a few leads to go on for myfriend to try.
[05:21] <Razor-X> hmmm, i've been mulling over a guide for Ubuntu/Kubuntu installing
[05:22] <z3k3> Unfrgiven: i saw that in the devel channel.. looks like the route you need to go with.
[05:22] <Razor-X> and, you can't configure GRUB at all during install
[05:22] <Razor-X> what does GRUB default to?
[05:23] <MightyF> Razor-X, in what context?
[05:23] <surlyesque> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-faq.html
[05:23] <Absenth> So how decient is iBook support in Hoary?
[05:24] <Razor-X> no no, I meant, does Ubuntu setup add some special parameters into GRUB?
[05:24] <Razor-X> because, I'm going to dual-partiton, and, I also have some special options I need to add to the GRUB config
[05:25] <Razor-X> so, I wanted to know whether I can only do that after install before first bootup, or what?
[05:25] <Razor-X> for me, time is of the essence, the faster I can get it all done, the better
[05:25] <MightyF> Razor-X, ummm, you could, but you could also do it after first bootup
[05:25] <MightyF> Razor-X, you can't config it during install though
[05:26] <MightyF> Razor-X, but Grub allows you to configure it while its starting up
[05:26] <Razor-X> yeah, that's what I thought....
[05:26] <lexxan> I'm not sure but can't you goto another terminal on the install
[05:26] <Razor-X> and, a curiosity, does GRUB default to the keyboard layout I specialize in setup?
[05:26] <membreya> is there any way to recover a file that you delete without sending to the trash ?
[05:26] <lexxan> right before the reboot switch over.. ?
[05:27] <Razor-X> lexxan: hmm, didn't think of that
[05:27] <lexxan> I know debian and freebsd have it
[05:28] <danko123456> membreya: good questgion
[05:28] <lexxan> membreya, r-linux from windows
[05:28] <lexxan> I tried to use it but it alreayd lost my files ;/
[05:28] <membreya> I don't use windows :P
[05:28] <lexxan> well ur done then :P
[05:28] <danko123456> hah
[05:28] <Absenth> Is anyone here an Ubuntu on PPC user?
[05:29] <a_monkey> um, how come after running "apt-get update" and "apt-cache search gdesklets", i got no results?
[05:29] <danko123456> Absenth: you know I am...
[05:29] <a_monkey> i know there's a gdesklets package...
[05:30] <james_> Edgar, i think i'm gonna go with the MSI K8N Neo4
[05:31] <danko123456> i have an iBook
[05:31] <danko123456> its decent...
[05:31] <danko123456> I dont know...
[05:31] <james_> XTCboarder, any luck?
[05:31] <danko123456> I dont do much with it...
[05:31] <danko123456> I program,, or readf from it.
[05:31] <danko123456> linux side, though...
[05:31] <danko123456> meh
[05:32] <danko123456> no wireless support at al.
[05:32] <danko123456> all
[05:32] <Razor-X> hmmmm, lemme ask my question again ;-P, does GRUB use the same keyboard layout as specified in Ubuntu setup?
[05:32] <danko123456> music,.,
[05:32] <danko123456> I dont think w32 isd supported..
[05:33] <danko123456> maybe some emulator, I dont use it.
[05:33] <mdz> Razor-X: no, grub uses whatever the BIOS uses
[05:33] <mdz> unless explicitly configured otherwise
[05:33] <danko123456> Its ok for a computer to have, like, all your servers will work...
[05:33] <crimsun> october: I am now; what's up?
[05:33] <Absenth> danko123456, ok here's the deal, (sorry for the late reply, working on too many things at once)
[05:33] <danko123456> thats fine,
[05:33] <danko123456> you see im all over the kybrd
[05:34] <Absenth> danko123456, I know the airport extreme isn't supported by anything other then OSX, is the internal bluetooth module for ibooks supported by linux?
[05:34] <danko123456> yes
[05:34] <danko123456> well...
[05:34] <danko123456> I only have a mouse though :P
[05:34] <Absenth> danko123456, that's fantastic.  Second question, are there a decent number of packages avalible for ubuntu on ppc?
[05:35] <danko123456> that was the only reason I boiught the Btooth, I didnt know even what it was then...
[05:35] <Absenth> danko123456, similar to, or better still identical to x86 maybe?
[05:35] <danko123456> I  dont use that as I said
[05:35] <danko123456> I use it as it comes...
[05:35] <danko123456> its decent, yes.
[05:36] <Absenth> and adding universe and multiverse are about the same as on x86.  (sorry for the 20 questions, this is my first mac, and my first non x86 linux all at once)
[05:36] <danko123456> well, I dont even have good java support on it, thats how narrow the usage of that system is...Just for s school, pretty much
[05:36] <danko123456> so, you are gonna buy an iBook?
[05:36] <Absenth> danko123456, I've got one,  Been using Jaguar for the last year.
[05:36] <danko123456> I dont know, perhaps the best advice i could give you is...dont, if you can afford an IBM...no reason to...
[05:36] <danko123456> oh, ok...
[05:37] <danko123456> its cheaper, a good com,uiter, built tough too,
[05:37] <danko123456> prob like the IBM, at least
[05:37] <Absenth> going to buy an IBM T series sometime soon, at which point I'll probibly put tiger on the mac.
[05:37] <danko123456> Anyhow, PM
[05:39] <Nalioth> howdy y'all
[05:40] <james_> hi
[05:41] <netfighter> Do you guys know what the heck is Xen? I don't get it
[05:41] <calc> firefox just killed my entire box somehow
[05:41] <calc> seemed like a forkbomb
[05:41] <binbrain> i need help getting my DVD playing in Ubuntu
[05:41] <cyphase> calc: it haaaaaaaaas to be your box thats the poblem
[05:41] <cyphase> ;)
[05:41] <james_> binbrain: what's wrong?
[05:41] <calc> cyphase: erm, sure :)
[05:41] <binbrain> anybody have any ideas, neither Totem, ogle or gxine play DVD
[05:41] <binbrain> s
[05:41] <Absenth> can anyone make a recomendation on how to install hoary onto a Pentium 2 232 /256mb that won't be dog slow?
[05:42] <calc> perhaps it isn't a fork bomb, just that it is a pos hog
[05:42] <calc> ccheney   9136  1.5  3.0 226136 31620 ?        Sl   22:41   0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox
[05:42] <james_> binbrain, try ogle
[05:42] <binbrain> I'm thinking some kind of DRM or something on this disk
[05:42] <calc> 226MB used on first start
[05:42] <sig> check this out: I views a .avi in text with mplayer using: mplayer -vo caca name.avi switch
[05:42] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/Ubuntu-Screenshots/mplayer_-vo_aa_samson2.avi.png
[05:42] <binbrain> James_ogle says FATAL[ogle_mpeg_ps] : dvdreadblocks failed
[05:42] <ryman> can we run windows program like DVD X Copy on ubuntu ?
[05:42] <Nalioth> binbrain uhelp will help you
[05:42] <sig> mplayer -vo aa name.avi would be just text no color
[05:42] <sig> kind of neat
[05:42] <crimsun> binbrain: vlc, kaffeine? Do you have the proper libs installed?
[05:42] <Nalioth> ?? restricted
[05:42] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:43] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/Ubuntu-Screenshots/mplayer_-vo_aa_samson2.avi.png
[05:43] <bob2> ryman: sometimes
[05:43] <binbrain> crimsun: missing libs also possible. i assumed that installing the players would also grab the libs
[05:43] <bob2> ryman: http://appdb.codeweavers.com/
[05:44] <binbrain> thanks for the link
[05:44] <binbrain> ill read up
[05:45] <Absenth> anyone have suggestions on how to insall a super light weight ubuntu hoary?
[05:46] <crimsun> just use the expert mode
[05:46] <z3k3> yea.
[05:46] <Absenth> if I do the "server" install, can I apt-get install xfce, and have it build the dependencies?
[05:46] <yfir_> Absenth: choose 'server' instal
[05:46] <z3k3> then just select what you need.
[05:46] <crimsun> Absenth: no, get xfce4
[05:46] <crimsun> Absenth: (not xfce)
[05:47] <Absenth> crimsun, danke.
[05:47] <crimsun> bitte
[05:47] <danko123456> cus...
[05:47] <Absenth> going to build the slow machine after I finish the notebook.  use it for web surfing, and email.  I'm tired of my office being 86F all the time.
[05:47] <danko123456> scatz
[05:48] <MightyF> Absenth, oooh, I love the heat
[05:48] <danko123456> Hey, Mighty!!
[05:48] <danko123456> :D
[05:49] <Absenth> MightyF, AthlonXP 2400+, AthlonXP 1900+ and a GeforceFX 5900 ultra in a 10.5' x 9.5' room make for a pretty warm workspace.
[05:49] <Nalioth> Absenth, get a heat exchanger and sell sell sell
[05:49] <lexxan> ?? mountntfs
[05:49] <Absenth> MightyF, looking to turn the 2400 off (which has the FX) to keep the temps down.
[05:49] <[uhelp] > mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[05:49] <lexxan> there we go
[05:49] <lexxan> [uhelp]  is now on a p166 laptop server :P
[05:49] <MightyF> Absenth, heat is marvelous, just wear less cloting
[05:50] <MightyF> clothing*
[05:50] <lexxan> oops
[05:50] <Absenth> MightyF, the neighbors complain,  something about litte kids, and such.
[05:50] <MightyF> Absenth, bah, close the shades ;)
[05:50] <Absenth> is USB PrismII support pretty automatic in Hoary?
[05:51] <poofyhair> yep
[05:51] <bob2> no
[05:51] <bob2> it's painful
[05:51] <bob2> get a proper wireless card if at all possible
[05:51] <Absenth> bob2, iBook has a proper wireless card, unfortunatly outside of OSX drivers don't exist anywhere.
[05:52] <Absenth> bob2, so I'm stuck with USB Crap.
[05:52] <bob2> g3 or g4?
[05:52] <bob2> and there are linux drivers
[05:52] <poofyhair> http://home.columbus.rr.com/andrewbarr/linux/dwl520e1.html
[05:52] <bob2> unfortunately only for mips
[05:52] <bob2> (linksys access points use the same card)
[05:52] <Absenth> bob2, Airport Extreme on a G4 12"
[05:53] <bob2> yeah, had the same problem
[05:53] <Nalioth> Absenth, the older plain airport works great (im soaking in it now)
[05:53] <jsgotangco> bob2, you reckon if we have a car listing on the wiki?
[05:53] <bob2> make sure you get version 1 of the ma-111
[05:53] <danko123456> bob2: wow, so you are saying it works?
[05:53] <Razor-X> wow
[05:53] <theBishop> i guess this isn't terribly useful to Ubuntu, but what would you guys think of a program that acted as an "installer" for source tarballs?
[05:53] <bob2> danko123456: ...
[05:53] <danko123456> yes?
[05:53] <bob2> danko123456: saying what works?
[05:53] <Absenth> Wait, can a G4 ibook allow you to install an Airport (non extreme)
[05:53] <Razor-X> this is the first time i've ever gotten -8816.2 k/s
[05:53] <danko123456> I dont get it..maybe I should read again...
[05:53] <bob2> theBishop: why bother?  most everything you want is packages.
[05:54] <bob2> Absenth: no
[05:54] <Nalioth> theBishop, build it and they will use (to paraphrase)
[05:54] <Absenth> bob2, that's what I thought.
[05:54] <Nalioth> Absenth, no airport extreme only in the G4
[05:54] <theBishop> bob2: yeah, i suppose that's true, but i use slackware sometimes too :)
[05:54] <Absenth> bob2, so I'm stuck with usb stuff for now, as I expected.
[05:54] <bob2> yes
[05:54] <mikail> i'm new at this, i just subcribed on the transgaming site for cedega 4.3.1 what do i need to do after the installation process is complete?
[05:54] <bob2> the worst part, of course, is that it doesn't use the same wireless tools as most everything else
[05:55] <theBishop> it would be kind of nice i think if you could download a tarball and it this app would open up and take over the requisite ./configure && make && install
[05:55] <Absenth> bob2, maybe if I'm lucky, someone smarter then I will reverse engineer the card, and write some drivers for us all :)
[05:55] <theBishop> one less need for the terminal
[05:55] <Nalioth> theBishop, so build it
[05:55] <bob2> Absenth: it hasn't happened yet
[05:55] <bob2> Absenth: there are rumours of various people working on it, but no code yet, afaik
[05:55] <theBishop> well, if its a dumb, idea, its not worth it
[05:55] <thully> hi - does anyone know a good alternative to netapplet for wi-fi/network roaming.  I'm on a laptop and this feature is crucial.
[05:56] <poofyhair> I saw a thing on jdodson's site were an Ubuntu person was talking about Mark and his attempts to talk to broadcom to get Airport Extreme drivers
[05:56] <danko123456> theBishop: and make install
[05:56] <Razor-X> evere single time I try and download Kubuntu, something happens to the stupid download -_-
[05:56] <theBishop> right danko, just abreviating
[05:56] <Razor-X> this is the fifth time
[05:56] <poofyhair> thully- wifiradar
[05:56] <thully> in hoary?
[05:56] <Absenth> bob2, now the real test is, can TWO usb prism2 devices be run at the same time as eth0 and eth1 respectivly?
[05:56] <bob2> thully: perhaps if you explained why you won't use netapplet
[05:56] <bob2> Absenth: presumably
[05:56] <Nalioth> Absenth, i'm waiting on that, also (got a new G4 in the closet performing server duty, due to lack of APX driver(S))
[05:56] <Janux> can't believe that there is no firefox 1.0.3 in the both multiverse and universe as it's been a while already.
[05:56] <bob2> Absenth: but their crappiness will expand exponentially
[05:56] <danko123456> theBishop: yeah, I wanted to accent it...:P
[05:57] <bob2> Razor-X: use rsync to fix it
[05:57] <thully> bob2: the thing has a habit of crashing constantly...
[05:57] <danko123456> but what ever...
[05:57] <bob2> Janux: er, it will never ever be in multiverse or universe
[05:57] <danko123456> you can write a script..
[05:57] <Razor-X> bob2: not Linux ;-P
[05:57] <danko123456> and...it does the same thing.
[05:57] <Razor-X> unfortunately
[05:57] <bob2> Razor-X: ... use rsync
[05:57] <regeya> Razor-X: do you already have ubuntu installed and a fast connection?  If so, run 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[05:57] <poofyhair> thully-
[05:57] <poofyhair> http://kazakshan.homeip.net/ubuntu/wifi-radar_1.9.3-2_i386.deb
[05:57] <bob2> Razor-X: if you're stuck on windows use cygwin
[05:58] <Absenth> bob2, well if it pisses me off too much (ubuntu on my ibook) it's back to Jaguar.  No harm no foul :)
[05:58] <thully> OK - does it let you switch between connections and everything?
[05:58] <bob2> thully: I'd stronly recommend not letting random people on irc have root on your machine
[05:58] <Razor-X> bob2: didn't like Cygwin that much, this machine doesen't have a real Linux partiton on it, 's why i'm getting Ubuntu
[05:58] <bob2> Razor-X: dude
[05:58] <bob2> come on
[05:58] <thully> bob2: what do you mean?
[05:58] <poofyhair> thully- its the best
[05:58] <danko123456> bob2: remember the other day there was that marc74 guy, and was bitching about his Java support?
[05:58] <bob2> thully: installing random .debs from people on irc is equivalent to letting that person have root access on your machine
[05:58] <danko123456> Anyhow, I was root on his machine:D
[05:59] <Razor-X> bob2: reason I don't have Linux here is my parents
[05:59] <danko123456> I dont even know theguy
[05:59] <poofyhair> thully- olny other alternative is
[05:59] <poofyhair> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18466&highlight=wireless
[05:59] <bob2> Razor-X: www.gaztronics.net/rsyns.php
[05:59] <regeya> if you've got cygwin installed you can get rsync (iirc)
[05:59] <poofyhair> I got the deb from the forum
[05:59] <bob2> danko123456: he was bitching very vaguely
[05:59] <Janux> bob2, why?
[05:59] <danko123456> bob2: so yuuo remember the guy?
[05:59] <bob2> Janux: because it's supported software, and thus goes in main
[05:59] <bob2> danko123456: yes
[05:59] <danko123456> it took me 4 hours, or something:(
[06:00] <danko123456> hah awesome.
[06:00] <Janux> bob2, in main? I don't find it either.
[06:00] <danko123456> you have a good memmory
[06:00] <danko123456> I post a lot:P
[06:00] <poofyhair> thully-
[06:00] <poofyhair> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25398
[06:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here tried running a Direct Connect client on their install of ubuntu?
[06:00] <bob2> Janux: yes, indeed it hasnt been updated yet, breezy is undergoing other more important changes
[06:00] <Absenth> on a non Ubuntu related topic, anyone here do anything with Mind Mapping, feel free to PM to keep the chatter down.
[06:00] <bob2> minor release of software will be updated later
[06:01] <tjoe_> can someone help me with a command
[06:02] <danko123456> zero change...
[06:02] <poofyhair> sure
[06:02] <tjoe_> ok
[06:02] <tjoe_> im getting a permission denied error
[06:02] <regeya> guh...what's with the sudden popularity with mind mapping...right now I'm using Pimki to, well, do PIM-type things, and it has a mind-map feature.  'Tits on a bull' comes to mind
[06:02] <Absenth> wow "Registering documentation, please wait..." takes a long time on an 800mhz G4
[06:02] <poofyhair> did you put sudo before your command?
[06:02] <tjoe_> here it is: sed -e "s/misc/kernel\/drivers\/net\/ndiswrapper/g" debian/rules > debian/temp
[06:02] <danko123456> tjoe_: what command?
[06:02] <Janux> bob2, so I just need to wait until the main updates?
[06:02] <bob2> yeah, scrollkeper is annoying slow
[06:02] <tjoe_> yes tried that
[06:02] <bob2> Janux: yes
[06:02] <ryman> I enabled remote desktop. I have vncviewer on my winxp computer. how do I use the vncviewer to control my ubuntu box ?
[06:02] <poofyhair> what is the command?
[06:03] <tjoe_> it is to reset rules
[06:03] <bob2> tjoe_: what are you doing?
[06:03] <ryman> do I put my IP in the vncviewer, is there any default port ?
[06:03] <Absenth> only crap, Ubuntu Login on my mac....
[06:03] <tjoe_> By default, the rules file that is responsible for specifying Debian packaging parameters specifies an install directory different from where Ubuntu keeps the same module. I adjusted by rules file to install in the proper place like so
[06:03] <philc1> I have modprobed a driver that my network card requires. There is no ethx interface defined for the card. How can I have /etc/network/interfaces regenerated? Or must I edit it manually?
[06:03] <danko123456> crimsun?
[06:03] <binbrain> i get a message encrypted media stream detected
[06:03] <tjoe_> from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[06:03] <bob2> philc1: yes, edit it manually
[06:03] <binbrain> i didn't get from the wiki if that was supported
[06:04] <bob2> tjoe_: dude, you don't need to build ndiswrapper at all
[06:04] <bob2> it's already done for you
[06:04] <binbrain> it says "Non encrypted DVDs should play"
[06:04] <tjoe_> didnt know
[06:04] <thully> is there anything good for wi-fi management in the Ubuntu repositories?
[06:04] <Janux> bob2, thanks
[06:04] <tjoe_> how do you know, is it out with the latest version
[06:04] <tjoe_> of ubuntu
[06:04] <poofyhair> thully- unfortunately no
[06:04] <bob2> god that wiki page is terrible
[06:04] <poofyhair> thully- I've looked a lot
[06:05] <tjoe_> so i guess i just need to download the windows drivers right?
[06:05] <tjoe_> for my wifi card i mean
[06:05] <crimsun> danko123456: ?  (I'm typing away in #kubuntu atm, so I wasn't paying attention)
[06:05] <philc1> how can I specify which device corresponds to which ethx interface?
[06:05] <poofyhair> tjoe_ did you try the root terminal?
[06:06] <bob2> tjoe_: install ndiswrapper, get the windows driver, carry on from the "installing windows driver" stage
[06:06] <bob2> philc1: you don't, generally
[06:06] <tjoe_> i can
[06:06] <tjoe_> thanks
[06:06] <tjoe_> you guys are great
[06:06] <bob2> philc1: you can use /etc/iftab is you really want to
[06:06] <thully> would netapplet possibly cause instabilities on my system?  it has been a bit unstable as of late...
[06:07] <danko123456> crimsun: this guy had a question I thought you could answer....something about a command...
[06:07] <poofyhair> not for any reason I know
[06:07] <danko123456> tjoe
[06:07] <bob2> thully: no
[06:08] <thully> most of the instability centers around the GNOME panel, though...
[06:08] <philc1> bob2: ok, thanks. eth1 is mapped to the correct device, and dmesg says that the "link is up, 100Mbps, full-duplex," but when I ping something, the network is unreachable. Any suggestions? Do I need to run a dhcpd command or something?
[06:08] <philc1> bob2: also can you privately paste me your /etc/network/interfaces device, I'm not sure how to configure a hard-line (I have a wireless config in there)
[06:08] <philc1> s/device/file
[06:08] <bob2> philc1: you of course need to configure the interface
[06:08] <bob2> no
[06:08] <bob2> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:09] <philc1> bob2: ah, let me try that. I have it static
[06:09] <hobocop> Hello Internet
[06:09] <bob2> if you tell it to be statically configured, you do need to configure it statically...
[06:09] <danko123456> hobocop: ?
[06:09] <danko123456> hello world?
[06:09] <hobocop> yo danko
[06:09] <philc1> bob2: dhcp did it, thanks for your help!
[06:09] <danko123456> your first IRC script?
[06:10] <danko123456> :P
[06:10] <hobocop> what no lol
[06:10] <danko123456> later, guys...
[06:10] <dank1> ha
[06:14] <tjoe_> can i open a .exe file in linux
[06:14] <poofyhair> yes
[06:14] <Nalioth> tjoe_, depends on what kind of exe file
[06:14] <poofyhair> in wine
[06:14] <tjoe_> ok
[06:15] <Nalioth> tjoe_, self-extracting zips and rars i believe can be extracted
[06:15] <dinof> hello, i am looking for some direction regarding nautilus-cd-burner -- it fails to detect blank media in my SCSI CDRW drive. inserting a blank disk causes the icon to appear on the desktop, but attempts to write to the disk prompts to insert write-able media. i can use cdrecord from cmd-line to burn just fine
[06:15] <thechitowncubs> what is the command to reconfigure Xorg?
[06:15] <tjoe_> application/x-ms-dos-executable
[06:15] <bob2> thechitowncubs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:16] <tjoe_> i guess i need to open it in windows instead
[06:16] <poofyhair> dinof- you need k3b or graveman
[06:16] <thechitowncubs> thanks bob2
[06:16] <fsapo> dinof, try installing gnome-baker
[06:16] <dinof> fsapo, gnome-baker gave same problem
[06:17] <thechitowncubs> bob2: will that create a new xorg.conf if the one its using now is borked?
[06:17] <dinof> i think its something to do with hald
[06:17] <bob2> depends what you did to it
[06:17] <bob2> if you edited manually and broke it, no
[06:17] <thechitowncubs> I didn't do it, a friend did
[06:17] <bob2> blah
[06:17] <bob2> tell them to read before breaking things in future
[06:17] <bob2> the top of the file explains that you shouldn't screw with it
[06:18] <Absenth> ok, even with Universe, and the Multiverse, app support for Ubuntu PPC is pretty awful.
[06:18] <Absenth> at least via apt.
[06:18] <bob2> Absenth: e.g.?
[06:18] <bob2> also, bear in mind main doesn't really vary between platforms
[06:18] <Absenth> etherape, ethereal, airtools, etc, etc, etc
[06:18] <bob2> people seem very confused by different sections for some reason
[06:19] <bob2> no, etherape is available on ppc
[06:19] <bob2> as is ethereal
[06:19] <Absenth> via apt?
[06:19] <bob2> of course
[06:19] <bob2> airtools doesn't appear to exist on any architecture
[06:20] <Absenth> that could be.  I'll probibly have to build those from source.  At least build essential went pretty quick :)
[06:20] <bob2> er
[06:20] <bob2> why would you build them from source?
[06:21] <lifeless> bob2: because they aren't present on any architecture ?
[06:22] <Absenth> bob2, because they probibly only exist in binary formate for bsd?
[06:22] <Absenth> that was exciting.
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> you there?
[06:23] <poofyhair> yep
[06:23] <calamari> hi
[06:23] <poofyhair> hi
[06:23] <benplaut> did freenode sut down for a sec?
[06:23] <ryman> hi
[06:23] <poofyhair> that link will tell you how to upgrade bios
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> What bios did you use?
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> I only see A31
[06:24] <poofyhair> that is recent enough to work
[06:24] <poofyhair> trust me
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> what about A29?
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> thats what he has
[06:24] <poofyhair> Try to do it without it
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> it looks like that is recent enough too
[06:24] <calamari> Mail question for you guys.  My mail exists in a file on another server (accessible via ssh).  Can the evolution mail client handle this situation?  If not, which client can?
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> k
[06:25] <poofyhair> follow the direction in the wiki
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> bob2: if he reboots with the xorg.conf not there will it regenerate one?
[06:25] <bob2> thechitowncubs: nope
[06:25] <bob2> thechitowncubs: deleting it is the worst thing you can do
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> or is there anyway to reconfigure it w/out reinstalling?
[06:25] <poofyhair> yes, manually edit it
[06:25] <bob2> thechitowncubs: sure, read the top of the file
[06:25] <bob2> poofyhair: no, that will dig the hole deeper
[06:25] <poofyhair> then what?
[06:25] <poofyhair> thats what I did to get it to work
[06:26] <thully> I'm just curious - what fonts/font settings is everybody using on Ubuntu?
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> thully: bitstream vera sans
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> search it
[06:26] <thechitowncubs> its Gnome's new default
[06:26] <bob2> calamari: nothing is going to support that
[06:26] <Absenth> ok Bob2, is there something above/beyond adding Universe/multiverse to my sources.list on ppc to find ethereal, and etherape?  sudo apt-get install etherape or ethereal, both show "no package found" errors.  a search through synaptic = the same.
[06:26] <poofyhair> I would try it. The wiki has a problem with it
[06:26] <poofyhair> an error
[06:26] <bob2> calamari: unless you include "ssh'ing to the remote machine and running mutt"
[06:26] <poofyhair> if you want I'll email you a decent xorg.conf
[06:26] <fsapo> hi all.. anybody knows how can i open an udp port in my firewall?
[06:27] <bob2> fsapo: read your firewall documentation
[06:27] <benplaut> poofyhair: out it in the wiki, too ;)
[06:27] <bob2> or be way way way more specific about what you mean
[06:27] <fsapo> just installed the new azureus and its saying that it cant conect to and udp port =/
[06:27] <bob2> Absenth: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[06:27] <thechitowncubs> bob2: it says it can be manually updated again... does that mean it will remake it with the correct values?
[06:27] <poofyhair> good call
[06:27] <thully> I'm using that with autohinter+firefox fonts at 13/12 mono/12 min. - any other tweaks that would improve fonts?
[06:27] <Absenth> bob2, going to join IRC from the mac, one second.
[06:27] <bob2> thechitowncubs: I don't know what "it" is
[06:28] <fsapo> bob2, azureus is saying that cant connect to my 6881 udp port
[06:28] <thechitowncubs> Xorg.conf
[06:28] <bob2> fsapo: yes, you're being too vague
[06:28] <bob2> fsapo: what is your "firewall"?
[06:28] <bob2> fsapo: ubuntu doesn't have one by default, so only you know what you did to get one
[06:28] <calamari> bob2: I figured as much :)  I use pine on my shell, but sometimes it'd be nice to be able to spoof my return address (for my domain name), etc
[06:28] <fsapo> bob2, i used firestarter to open the tcp port
[06:28] <thechitowncubs> it has instructions to "automatically update again" does that mean reconfigure it using the default values
[06:28] <calamari> afaik pine doesn't let me do that
[06:28] <bob2> calamari: mutt lets you do that
[06:28] <bob2> fsapo: then use firestarter
[06:28] <calamari> I really don't dig mutt
[06:28] <bob2> thechitowncubs: it means it will autodetect it
[06:29] <fsapo> bob2, but it dont have an udp option :(
[06:29] <bob2> fsapo: well, use a better firewall configuration program
[06:29] <bob2> fsapo: or don't use one at all
[06:30] <bob2> Absenth: so, the problem would be that you didn't enable universe or multiverse
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> i guess thats not what i want
[06:30] <calamari> I'm convinced that mutt is one of those things I'd have to get used to, like vi.. I prefer pine and nano/pico :)
[06:30] <Absenth> bob2, what are the last 4 lines then?
[06:30] <bob2> Absenth: add the words "multiverse" and "universe" at the end of the second line
[06:30] <regeya> note to self: don't export PDFs from Scribus to a usb key
[06:30] <Absenth> ahhh, security.
[06:30] <bob2> Absenth: that's you trying to get apt to find security updates for universe and multiverse
[06:30] <bob2> (which don't exist)
[06:30] <Nalioth> bob2 you are THE man
[06:30] <ryman> can someone please help me with remote desktop. I can't connect to ubuntu box from my winxp one. what do I need to put in the server ? Ip , local ip ?
[06:31] <bob2> no, I'm THE procrastinator
[06:31] <Nalioth> ryman google "vnc ssh tunneling"
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> ryman: if you are using windows remote dekstop, it won't work, you will need VNC
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> google for VNC
[06:31] <ryman> HrdwrBoB+  I have vncviewer
[06:32] <Nalioth> ryman, that means you will need an sshd for windoze, there is one available somewhere
[06:32] <thechitowncubs> or a vnc viewer...
[06:32] <Nalioth> talkin about using windoze really makes me sad
[06:32] <Absenth> bob2, so that line should read, "deb http://blah....  hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[06:33] <bob2> yes
[06:33] <Absenth> bob2, I agree with Nalioth then.  You really are "THE man"
[06:33] <Absenth> :)
[06:35] <Nalioth> Absenth, i'd add all the dagnabbed repos i found on the howto
[06:35] <Nalioth> Absenth, i wish i had more access to deb-src repos (gotta do everything by hand on the ol' iBook)
[06:36] <bob2> gah
[06:36] <bob2> please stop spreading that meme
[06:37] <bob2> the only things not available on ppc are a) arch-specific stuff (e.g. valgrind) b) binary crap (e.g. acroread) and c) silly non-distributable stuff like mplayer with crack options enabled
[06:38] <Nalioth> bob2 i only said that cuz there's some things i have to compile myself (transcode, for one)
[06:38] <thechitowncubs> Nalioth: you like ubuntu better than Mac OSX?
[06:39] <bob2> transcode doesn't seem to be built on any architecture
[06:39] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, i am running ubuntu on my old G3 ibook, and yes i like it fine.  I really enjoy OSX, but its half-open and half-closed nature kinda pisses me off sometimes
[06:40] <Absenth> once anything is added via USB do I have to run something to make it detect?  (admittedly I've never added a usb device to a non windows computer)
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> Nalioth: I understand, thats the only OS that i haven't actually learned stuff about
[06:41] <bob2> hah, since it doesn't actually build on any architecture
[06:41] <bob2> nice
[06:41] <thechitowncubs> or used...
[06:42] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, OSX has a whole lot going for it, fink.sourceforge.net and http://darwinports.opendarwin.org being two of the same spirt of unix
[06:42] <Nalioth> thangs. but OSX is not truly "OPEN"
[06:43] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, i absolutely love it when i buy a new firewire device, plug it in and "it just works" w/o asking for drivers or crashing, (like something else we know)
[06:43] <ryman> Nalioth+  thanks
[06:43] <ryman> HrdwrBoB+  thanks
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> lol
[06:44] <ryman> it is still not working though
[06:44] <Absenth> Nalioth, since I don't care about open/closed source, and I can't easily make my notebook what I'd like it to, I think I might be going back to 10.3 tomorow.
[06:44] <bob2> so, yeah, transcode is screwed on all architectures until someone cares enough to fix the build-dependencies
[06:44] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, my mother recently passed away, and my sister had taken some pix with her NEW digital camera.  I plugged it into my mac, used iphoto to d/l the pix w/o a problem at all
[06:45] <bob2> Nalioth: the same thing happens on ubuntu, of course
[06:45] <Nalioth> Absenth, BACK to 10.3?
[06:45] <thechitowncubs> ya
[06:45] <thechitowncubs> it works like that for me in ubuntu
[06:45] <Absenth> Nalioth, as in OS X 10.3
[06:45] <Nalioth> bob2 same thing as in fw and usb plugging/working?
[06:45] <bob2> of course
[06:46] <Nalioth> Absenth, you are running 10.4 now?
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:46] <ryman> thechitowncubs+  did you configure your router ?
[06:46] <Absenth> Nalioth, no 5.04 PPC.
[06:46] <bob2> I plug my iaudio in and it mounts automatically, waiting for me to copy music to it
[06:46] <ryman> forward some port ?
[06:46] <Nalioth> i put a fw dvd-rw on this iBook the other day, took 5 minutes for the disk to mount on the desktop
[06:47] <thechitowncubs> what?
[06:47] <thechitowncubs> ryman: what?
[06:47] <bob2> Nalioth: if that was in ubuntu, please file a bug
[06:47] <ryman> thechitowncubs+  did you configure your router ?
[06:47] <thechitowncubs> i plugged in my Iriver h320 and it worked perfectly
[06:47] <Nalioth> bob2 ok, will find the bug reporting thing and do so
[06:47] <bob2> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <Drako60> i sure hope ubuntu amd64 works better then debian 64
[06:48] <bob2> and thank you
[06:48] <tjoe> linux is reading my pci mini wireless lan card as atheros when it is really lan express
[06:48] <bob2> Drako60: in what way?
[06:48] <Drako60> bob2, well lets see, the first thing debian did after install was to kernel panic
[06:48] <Nalioth> bob2 was a music cd, btw
[06:49] <bob2> Nalioth: it should popup gnome-cd or whatever then, and in way less than 5 minutes
[06:49] <Drako60> then after getting past kernel panic, the ethernet would just die after a time
[06:49] <bob2> Drako60: let me guess, nvidia board?
[06:49] <Drako60> nforce3
[06:49] <ryman> thechitowncubs+  nice mp3 player. I regret that I bought 20G ipod.
[06:49] <bob2> right
[06:49] <tjoe> does any one have success with there wireless card
[06:50] <bob2> so, your manufacturer wouldn't document their crappy nic, so the driver for it is dodgy
[06:50] <bob2> that's to be expected
[06:50] <lexxan> ?? wireless > tjoe
[06:50] <tjoe> haha
[06:50] <bob2> also, they have a buggy APIC, which the kernel has to work around
[06:50] <bob2> tjoe: lots of people do
[06:50] <Drako60> it was using a driver already in the kernel
[06:50] <bob2> yes, forcedeth
[06:50] <tjoe> wireless lan
[06:50] <bob2> which is reverse engineered because nvidia decided their chip was so awesome no one else should be able to know how awesome it is
[06:50] <Absenth> Drako60, easiest way to avoid a migrain is to slap a Pro100 into one of those Free PCI slots :)
[06:51] <Nalioth> bob2 will try to repeat it and if it does take a long time again, will file the bug
[06:51] <tjoe> so i guess i have to pull the driver files out of windows and copy them to linux and wrap them
[06:51] <Drako60> i tried to install the nvidia driver and that didn't work either because the nvidia wanted gcc-3.4 which apt wouldn't install higher then 3.3
[06:51] <bob2> Drako60: does booting with noapic or nolapic help?
[06:51] <bob2> ah, yes
[06:51] <Drako60> apic is fine
[06:51] <bob2> the joy of broken binary drivers
[06:51] <Nalioth> tjoe, my apple airport card works out-of-the-box
[06:51] <bob2> tjoe: what actual chipset is it?
[06:51] <bob2> Nalioth: ok, thanks
[06:51] <Drako60> booting with ide=nodma fixed the initial kernel panic
[06:52] <bob2> ah, a broken ide controller, even better ;)
[06:52] <tjoe> LAN-Express AS IEEE 802.11 g mini PCI Adapter
[06:52] <Drako60> CPU 0: Machine check exception 4 bank 4
[06:52] <tjoe> integrated card
[06:52] <bob2> tjoe: "lan express" isn't a chipset
[06:52] <tjoe> linux reads it as another
[06:53] <bob2> linux doesn't "read" anything, it just compares the pci id to a list of known models
[06:53] <tjoe> oh
[06:53] <bob2> tjoe: paste the output of "lspci" to #flood
[06:53] <tjoe> ok
[06:53] <Absenth> Alright, I'm old, and I guess it's time to sleep.
[06:54] <Drako60> so i'm downloading ubuntu hoping that it will work
[06:54] <Absenth> Thanks for being Patient with me, and my first shot at linux on something not equal to X86
[06:54] <danko123456_away> it may well
[06:55] <Drako60> i was reading the nvidia boards and people seem to have better luck installing the nvidia drivers on ubuntu then debian
[06:55] <Drako60> and i think someone mentioned it was in restricted as well
[06:55] <crimsun> that's because they don't need to install very much
[06:56] <Drako60> yeah, i did a netinstall of debian, i've had to install everything myself including gcc
[06:56] <Drako60> i even had to install make
[06:56] <tjoe> bob2: i didnt see #flood in the output
[06:57] <bob2> tjoe: #flood is a channel
[06:57] <tjoe> oh
[06:57] <bob2> of course, you chose a minimal install of debian, you have to install other stuff manually if you want it
[06:58] <Drako60> it wouldn't be so bad but debian support for amd64 is very limited, as is most everything right for it
[06:59] <tjoe> bob2: posted it
[07:01] <bob2> tjoe: you have an atheros wireless card
[07:01] <tjoe> ok, i went to atheros's website and i didnt see lan express so i wasnt sure
[07:02] <tjoe> bob2: so that must mean that i have the drivers installed already, so i am pretty much clueless on how to get wireless internet to work
[07:02] <Vampier> hi
[07:03] <Vampier> let me ges.. you have a linksys card
[07:03] <Vampier> gues
[07:03] <bob2> no, atheros
[07:03] <bob2> tjoe: there's not much to do
[07:03] <tjoe> bob2: I just realized, i think my wireless card is g only, linux describes it as a/b/g, unless g and a/b/g are the same
[07:03] <Vampier> I am installing ubuntu for the firt time
[07:04] <Vampier> G is downwards compatible
[07:04] <Tomcat_> tjoe: Most g cards can do a and b too.
[07:04] <Tomcat_> Or what Vampier said. :P
[07:04] <tjoe> cool
[07:04] <Vampier> :P
[07:04] <tjoe> So any idea why it isnt working
[07:04] <bob2> all atheros ones I've heard of can
[07:04] <bob2> tjoe: you haven't configured it yet
[07:04] <tjoe> ok
[07:04] <tjoe> i have to configure the card?
[07:04] <Vampier> bob2 802.11G is downwards compatible with B atleast
[07:04] <bob2> tjoe: of course...
[07:04] <Vampier> it's in the standard
[07:05] <Drako60> is there a hardware compablity list for ubuntu?
[07:05] <tjoe> yes
[07:05] <bob2> tjoe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[07:05] <Vampier> :)
[07:05] <JoshRA> hey anyone know of a termnial music program
[07:05] <bob2> Drako60: not a useful one
[07:05] <bob2> JoshRA: you need to be more specific
[07:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Is there a command to view all the hard drives on my system and what types they are?
[07:05] <JoshRA> bob2: i want to run a cronsciprt that plays a file so it becomes a alarm clock
[07:05] <bob2> FunnyLookinHat: dmesg | egrep "^(s|h)d"
[07:05] <bob2> JoshRA: mpg321, madplay, ogg123, ...
[07:05] <JoshRA> i tried running a sciprt that plays xmms it did not work
[07:06] <JoshRA> wav
[07:06] <bob2> then bplay
[07:06] <FunnyLookinHat> bob2, ty
[07:06] <IcemanV9> why? why? why _only_ RAW blank CD-RW disc works?! it cannot be erased! i've tried gnomebaker, k3b & natuilus; nothing cannot be erased. :-(
[07:06] <tjoe> can you point me in the right direction to how to configure the card, is it though gui or termal
[07:06] <bob2> IcemanV9: use cdrecord
[07:06] <donlvnv> when I use the livecd unbuntu doesn't recognize my serial kensington trackball, do ineed to use a special command when booting?
[07:06] <Vampier> I must say.. installing ubuntu is a breeeeeeeeze
[07:06] <bob2> tjoe: dude, I gave you a web page to read
[07:06] <Nalioth> JoshRA, right on! alarm clock action
[07:07] <tjoe> i believe i did lst me give it another look
[07:07] <Dude> HEYY GUYYZ
[07:07] <JoshRA> Nalioth: yea :)
[07:07] <Dude> how ubunto
[07:07] <Drako60> hmm wonder if my smc wireless is supported
[07:07] <Dude> iz ubunto better linux or not
[07:08] <Vampier> Dude!
[07:08] <bob2> Dude: please troll elsewhere
[07:08] <Vampier> you should know dude
[07:08] <jordanau> hey ztonzy
[07:08] <IcemanV9> bob2: is this command correct? cdrecord blank=fast dev=/dev/hdc
[07:09] <universal> scu usage is constantly on 14 %, why?
[07:09] <jfarrell> anyone know how to mount a usb drive in ubuntu
[07:09] <crimsun> jfarrell: plug it in
[07:09] <Vampier> hehehe
[07:09] <Vampier> :)
[07:09] <universal> cpu
[07:09] <bob2> IcemanV9: looks ok
[07:09] <jfarrell> crimsun,  and wahts the mount point by default
[07:09] <JoshRA> bob2: now how can i put this in a loop
[07:09] <crimsun> jfarrell: /media/foo
[07:10] <jfarrell> all i got is cdrom
[07:10] <crimsun> jfarrell: is sd_mod loaded?
[07:10] <JoshRA> so i can do a alarm clock type of thing bob2
[07:10] <jfarrell> that kernal module?
[07:10] <crimsun> jfarrell: yes. lsmod|grep sd_mod
[07:10] <bob2> jfarrell: you are using an ubuntu kernel, right?
[07:10] <jfarrell> nothing
[07:11] <jfarrell> what everr came with warty
[07:11] <crimsun> jfarrell: sudo modprobe sd_mod
[07:11] <jfarrell> err hedgehog rather
[07:11] <bob2> jfarrell: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[07:11] <jfarrell> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:11] <Nalioth> JoshRA, "man crontab"
[07:11] <jordanau> bob2, your kernel
[07:11] <jordanau> bob2, j/k
[07:12] <Nalioth> JoshRA, use the info you were given above re CLI music players
[07:12] <jfarrell> crimsun, ok, that worked but i still an not seeing the usb drive in /media
[07:12] <IcemanV9> bob2: oy. it doesn't work. cannot blank disc, aborted. *sigh* thanks for the hint.
[07:12] <bob2> JoshRA: make a file containing this, replacing \n with actual newlines: #!/bin/sh \n while true ; do bplay /path/to/blah.wav ; done
[07:12] <Nalioth> JoshRA, use your noode (and your google)
[07:12] <bob2> JoshRA: then make the file executable, then tell cron to run it
[07:12] <bob2> JoshRA: note turning it off will not be fun
[07:12] <crimsun> jfarrell: does the kernel identify it as a usb mass storage device?
[07:13] <JoshRA> bob2: killall <program name)
[07:13] <Nalioth> give a man a fish, he'll eat one meal; teach a man to fish, he'll eat forever
[07:13] <bob2> JoshRA: no
[07:13] <jfarrell> crimsun, I do not know, where would I look to see
[07:13] <JoshRA> bob2: or
[07:13] <tjoe> bob2: perhaps i failed to mention that my wireless card is not being recognized, only ethernet card
[07:13] <JoshRA> i can use the xmms alarmblock plugin
[07:13] <crimsun> jfarrell: dmesg.
[07:13] <bob2> tjoe: you'd need to define "not being recognised"
[07:13] <Nalioth> JoshRA, kalarm doesnt work for you?
[07:13] <JoshRA> Nalioth: did not install it
[07:13] <JoshRA> i use gnome
[07:14] <tjoe> bob2: its not in my networking gui
[07:14] <Nalioth> JoshRA, you can install kalarm
[07:14] <bob2> tjoe: ignore that
[07:14] <jfarrell> dmesg makes no message of the thumb drive - only of my keyboard
[07:14] <jfarrell> let me try something
[07:14] <Nalioth> JoshRA, it (and all other k-things) will work under gnome
[07:14] <tjoe> bob2: when i type iwconfig, no devices detected
[07:14] <bob2> tjoe: run 'ifconfig -a', do you see eth1 or wlan0?
[07:14] <bob2> tjoe: did you install linux-restricted-modules-2.6?
[07:15] <bob2> tjoe: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[07:15] <tjoe> eth0, lo, sit0
[07:15] <jfarrell> crimsun, that got it
[07:15] <jfarrell> figures
[07:15] <jfarrell> that usb port has always been flakey
[07:15] <tjoe> i dont think i have that update
[07:15] <jfarrell> i had to use one of the ones on the back
[07:15] <tjoe> unless it was included with the new install cd
[07:16] <bob2> 15:15:05 @         bob2 | tjoe: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[07:16] <FunnyLookinHat> When trying to mount a drive that i know is NTFS I get this error:  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdf1,
[07:16] <FunnyLookinHat>        missing codepage or other error
[07:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Any suggestions?
[07:16] <tjoe> bob2: 2.6.10-5-386
[07:16] <crimsun> jfarrell: :)
[07:16] <FunnyLookinHat> (sorry for flood)
[07:17] <bob2> tjoe: install linux-restricted-modules-386
[07:17] <ryman> what player do I need to play DVD ?
[07:17] <bob2> ryman: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:17] <tjoe> ok i will search for that thx!
[07:18] <ryman> bob2: thanks
[07:20] <ryman> my totem player is frozen. how do I kill it ?
[07:20] <Nalioth> ryman "xkill"
[07:20] <Vampier> use a hamer :P
[07:21] <Nalioth> Vampier, a man after my own heart (puter tremble when i approach with a screwdriver)
[07:21] <Vampier> :D
[07:21] <ryman> Nalioth+  thanks
[07:21] <Vampier> tomuch experience with computers
[07:21] <Vampier> I am installing ubuntu for the first time
[07:22] <Vampier> since everyone keeps on yelling I have to install it
[07:22] <Nalioth> Vampier, congratulations
[07:22] <Nalioth> night all
[07:22] <Vampier> night
[07:22] <universal> why is my cpu constantly using aboout 14 %
[07:22] <Vampier> but after all this I have to get my crappy linksys windows only card to work with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[07:22] <Vampier> universal
[07:22] <Vampier> what does top give
[07:23] <Vampier> which program does use your CPU?
[07:23] <universal> Xoeg using it
[07:23] <universal> Vampier,
[07:23] <Vampier> yes
[07:23] <universal> Xorg
[07:23] <bob2> universal: you didn't enable composite, did you?
[07:23] <Vampier> that's your x server right?
[07:23] <bob2> yes
[07:23] <Vampier> k
[07:23] <universal> bob2, my composite?
[07:23] <Vampier> I'm a newbie to *nix (again)
[07:24] <bob2> universal: the Composite X extension
[07:24] <universal> bob2, where can i do that?
[07:24] <donlvnv> ryman: ps -A then look for the PID for totem them type kill -9 PID#
[07:25] <tjoe> bob2: i guess i have to figure how to install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.4-1_i386.deb
[07:25] <bob2> universal: nevermind
[07:26] <nate_> hello
[07:26] <bob2> tjoe: or just use aptitude or synaptic like everyone else
[07:27] <tjoe> i will try
[07:28] <Drako60> only 7 hours till i can install ubuntu
[07:29] <donlvnv> when I use the livecd unbuntu doesn't recognize my serial kensington trackball, do ineed to use a special command when booting?
[07:29] <bob2> you'll need to manually configure X
[07:31] <vampier_> that was easy
[07:31] <vampier_> :)
[07:32] <z3k3> serial trackball?  I remember those.  Not great for gaming, ugly as snot, but useful!
[07:33] <z3k3> :)
[07:35] <universal> bob2, where in the xorg.conf section sould i add the "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" ?
[07:35] <bob2> dude, don't enable composite
[07:35] <bob2> it will slow things odwn even more
[07:36] <universal> bob2, ok
[07:36] <universal> bob2, what about renderaccel?
[07:37] <ivoks> hehe sarge is forzen
[07:37] <bob2> yup
[07:37] <ivoks> that should happend years ago :(
[07:37] <bob2> yes
[07:37] <universal> bob2, that should make my card rendering better?
[07:37] <bob2> universal: no
[07:38] <ivoks> i think this is a political and practical move
[07:38] <bob2> ?
[07:38] <ivoks> they will supply mueinchen
[07:38] <bob2> it was frozen because everything was ready for a freeze
[07:38] <ivoks> for that, they need stable distro
[07:38] <ivoks> bob2 it was ready 12 month ago :)
[07:38] <bob2> no it wasn't
[07:39] <ivoks> only one thinkg wasn't
[07:39] <ivoks> thing
[07:39] <bob2> the RC bug count was too high, and testing-security wasn't ready
[07:39] <bob2> and t-p-u
[07:39] <ivoks> they should really develop different installers for different platforms
[07:39] <bob2> yes
[07:40] <bob2> multiple codebases would reduce the amount of work required
[07:40] <bob2> that's an awesome idea
[07:40] <ivoks> no...
[07:40] <gorilla_> bob2, I'm convinced :-)
[07:40] <ivoks> they have installer now
[07:40] <ivoks> and they should really rethink who is still usink m68k...
[07:41] <bob2> lordy
[07:41] <bob2> anyway, this is off-topic
[07:41] <ivoks> isn't acctually, couse it's ubuntu installer too :)
[07:42] <bob2> well, it is, since you haven't actually followed the discussions about it
[07:43] <ivoks> about installer?
[07:43] <perl_dude> any here can help me with perl ? but #perl looks death =/ and i need help
[07:43] <bob2> #perl is a way better place to ask
[07:44] <perl_dude> yes
[07:44] <perl_dude> but all are sleeping
[07:44] <perl_dude> =/
[07:45] <bob2> how much more annoying do you think this conversation is, compared to you just asking your question?
[07:46] <perl_dude> any here uses openvpn ?
[07:46] <bob2> just ask your question
[07:46] <perl_dude> ok
[07:46] <perl_dude> okok
[07:46] <ivoks> bob2 bad day? :)
[07:46] <perl_dude> i have troubles storing data on mySQL using PERL :=)
[07:46] <tjoe> bob2 : i already have linux-restricted-modules-386 in my packages
[07:46] <perl_dude> i cant get the ENV data of a user
[07:47] <bob2> tjoe: awesome
[07:47] <bob2> tjoe: load the ath_hal module
[07:47] <tjoe> i think it is up to date
[07:47] <universal> bob2, what is the khubd ?
[07:47] <perl_dude> $ip_address = $ENV{"trusted_ip"};
[07:47] <perl_dude> $local_ip = $ENV{"ifconfig_pool_local_ip"};
[07:47] <perl_dude> $remote_ip = $ENV{"ifconfig_pool_remote_ip"};
[07:47] <perl_dude> this not works all time
[07:47] <perl_dude> some time log
[07:47] <perl_dude> but not allways
[07:48] <bob2> universal: a usb thread in the kernel, afaik
[07:48] <tjoe> bob2: though terminal?
[07:48] <bob2> perl_dude: you're being uselessly vague, no one can help you
[07:48] <bob2> tjoe: yes
[07:48] <[Phaedrus] > hi guys, i have a modules related question
[07:49] <bob2> perl_dude: explain *when* it works
[07:49] <universal> bob2, ok, and as i can see, it us using 13% of my resouces...canything to do?
[07:49] <bob2> universal: what percentage is your cpu idle?
[07:50] <universal> about 1%
[07:50] <bob2> what on earth are you running that's eating all your cpu?
[07:50] <perl_dude> bob2, http://webpanel.comandogp.com/perl/validate_user.txt
[07:50] <universal> he he, wierd isnt it?...
[07:51] <tjoe> currently googling "ubunta loading modules"
[07:51] <bob2> tjoe: sudo modprobe ath_hal
[07:51] <perl_dude> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/279403
[07:51] <bob2> you need to at least spell ubuntu correctly...
[07:51] <tjoe> thnx
[07:51] <bob2> perl_dude: that script is pretty damn insecure
[07:51] <ivoks> :)
[07:52] <perl_dude> bob2, its for shell not public
[07:52] <bob2> perl_dude: that doesn't matter
[07:52] <tjoe> bob2: it just went to the next line
[07:52] <ivoks> bye guys... don't kill each other :)
[07:52] <bob2> tjoe: yes, I know
[07:52] <tjoe> cool
[07:53] <perl_dude> bob2, what i have wrong?
[07:53] <Vampier> which skype works with ubuntu?
[07:53] <crimsun> Vampier: any
[07:53] <bob2> for instance, you let people run arbitrary code
[07:53] <Vampier> crimsun tha win32 too :P
[07:53] <bob2> perl_dude: system("echo '$blah'")
[07:54] <[Phaedrus> sorry guys got disconnected
[07:54] <Dethread> Vampier, there's a skype package in hoary that you can use
[07:54] <crimsun> Vampier: not sure why you'd want that...
[07:54] <bob2> perl_dude: what happens when $blah is "';rm -rf /"?
[07:54] <[Phaedrus> i have a module compiled and when i say insmod blah, it doesnt seem to find it,
[07:54] <[Phaedrus> anything i should be doing?
[07:54] <Vampier> Dethread ok :)
[07:54] <bob2> [Phaedrus: a) don't use insmod
[07:54] <bob2> [Phaedrus: b) put the module somewhere useful under /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[07:55] <Vampier> Dethread where could I find it?
[07:55] <[Phaedrus> bob 2, the module is in /lib/modules/'uname-r'/kernel/drivers/net
[07:55] <Dethread> Vampier, in synaptic, search for skype
[07:55] <Vampier> I am searching in the syanptic package manager
[07:56] <[Phaedrus> bob2, whats the alternative for insmod?
[07:56] <Vampier> alreadu doing that
[07:56] <Vampier> :)
[07:56] <Dethread> Vampier, might have to have universe repositories active
[07:56] <bob2> [Phaedrus: modprobe
[07:56] <bob2> [Phaedrus: what module was it?
[07:56] <[Phaedrus> its the driver for sm56 modems
[07:56] <tjoe> wonder whats next
[07:56] <[Phaedrus> after a day and a half, i made the driver to compile
[07:56] <Vampier> Dethread can u guess my next question :P
[07:56] <_4strO> ohaio
[07:56] <Dethread> Vampier, sorry, it's actually not there
[07:56] <Vampier> ok :)
[07:57] <Vampier> too bad
[07:57] <Dethread> Vampier, it adds it when you install the deb package manually
[07:57] <Dethread> Vampier, get it from skype.com
[07:57] <Vampier> ok
[07:57] <Vampier> thanks
[07:57] <Vampier> I am new to ubuntu or to *nix
[07:57] <[Phaedrus> bob2: its the driver for sm56 modems
[07:57] <Vampier> just using the knowledge I have from 6 years ago
[07:57] <tjoe> bob2: whats next after loading the module
[07:57] <Dethread> Vampier, download the debian package from skype.com
[07:57] <tommi^> Hi. The modeline is wrong on my computer and I change with xorgcfg. I try to save the configuration, as root of course, but it doesn't have any effect when the system is restarted. I think that the xorg.conf does get written, but it's somehow wrong. Does someone know what's wrong or perhaps could take a look at my xorg.conf, found here http://asiala.info/xorg.conf . Thanks
[07:57] <Vampier> already on it :)
[07:58] <bob2> tjoe: ask on the user list
[07:58] <perl_dude> bob2, the error not is the security
[07:58] <Vampier> thanks
[07:58] <perl_dude> its a env problem
[07:58] <bob2> perl_dude: #perl
[07:58] <perl_dude> :)
[07:58] <Dethread> Vampier, once it's downloaded, type "sudo dpkg -i <package-name>" in a terminal
[07:58] <bob2> and buy a basic perl book
[07:58] <Merlin615> anyone setup adhoc on there wifi with ubuntu
[07:58] <Vampier> Dethread : ok
[07:58] <Merlin615> ?
[07:58] <bob2> Merlin615: lots of people have
[07:58] <metasquier> Hey, I was wondering if somone would be so kind to give me some help about my USB mouse wich seems to not have been detected on installation
[07:59] <Merlin615> having trouble getting adhoc setup
[07:59] <Merlin615> can get it to setup normal
[07:59] <Merlin615> butnot adhoc
[08:00] <bob2> perhaps your card doesn't support it
[08:00] <tjoe> bob2: that like asking someone else to finish einstein's work
[08:00] <Merlin615> done it before under a different distro
[08:00] <bob2> tjoe: what are you talking about?
[08:01] <metasquier> It seems ubuntu isnt so great for getting it to "Just work" eh
[08:01] <Merlin615> i setup the card with network-admin, and when i run iwconfig mode adhoc, the whole system locks up
[08:01] <bob2> metasquier: sure it is
[08:01] <bob2> metasquier: a very small number of people have obscure and/or broken hardware
[08:01] <metasquier> mandrake is more "Just work" than ubuntu
[08:01] <metasquier> true that
[08:02] <bob2> please file a bug if your mouse isn't detected and you know the hardware is ok
[08:02] <metasquier> well my Optical USB mouse should work, its a Microsoft one... (hmmm) fairly generic
[08:02] <tjoe> bob2: weren't you asking me to ask someone else about the issue? i was just thinking it may be hard to fill the gap of everything i tried so for for this issue
[08:02] <metasquier> yeah Ill do that bug report, where do I go for that?
[08:03] <lexxan> my microsoft usb just plugs in..
[08:03] <lexxan> why don't you just use your ps/2 adapter
[08:03] <metasquier> I will do that, thanks :) thanks for your help I must go
[08:03] <[Phaedrus> does anyone know how i can turn off some of the services that run at startup (like PCMCIA support for example.. i'm sure i could live without some)
[08:04] <tjoe> bob2: can you please refer me to someone that may know about this issue?
[08:04] <bob2> the user list
[08:11] <tjoe> does any one here know how to get my wireless card recognised
[08:12] <cyphase> does anyone know where mod_rewrite is for apache, or is it built in?
[08:13] <cyphase> in Ubuntu of course
[08:13] <lexxan> How do i purge all residual installed packages?
[08:14] <cyphase> lexxan, go to the status menu in synaptic, select the installed (residue) feild, select uninstall completely, and apply
[08:14] <cyphase> field*
[08:15] <calamari> bob2: found a way to change my From: line in pine.. cool :)
[08:17] <lexxan> cyphase, I want do do it from console.
[08:17] <lexxan> to*
[08:17] <Nula> cyphase, I hope that was a joke?
[08:18] <mebaran151> in mplayer
[08:18] <mebaran151> must I rar my subs
[08:18] <mebaran151> put both the .idx and the .sub together
[08:18] <cyphase> lol
[08:19] <cyphase> i had a feeling
[08:19] <cyphase> well, im not sure with the console
[08:26] <Vampier> how do I go to root?
[08:26] <Vampier> su that is
[08:26] <cyphase> sudo
[08:26] <cyphase> or su
[08:26] <cyphase> sudo is for one command
[08:26] <cyphase> su
[08:26] <cyphase> oops
[08:26] <Vampier> it asks for a password
[08:26] <Vampier> :{
[08:26] <cyphase> su is to go into the root console
[08:27] <Vampier> yeah I know
[08:27] <Vampier> I never gave a password for root :)
[08:27] <cyphase> you could change the root password, or use sudo
[08:27] <cyphase> to change it, sudo passwd root
[08:27] <Vampier> ok I'm root
[08:27] <Vampier> thanks :)
[08:27] <cyphase> k
[08:27] <cyphase> lol
[08:27] <cyphase> np
[08:27] <Vampier> I had to open the root console
[08:28] <Vampier> :) this works slightly different
[08:28] <cyphase> yea
[08:29] <Vampier> swapped hard disks ;)
[08:29] <Vampier> time for some gaming action ;)
[08:29] <Vampier> tomorrow the quest for wifi
[08:31] <cyphase> What's everyones favorite tag structure?
[08:32] <cyphase> wrong channel, sorry
[08:32] <cyphase> lol
[08:32] <cyphase> but since i asked, does anyone here use wordpress?
[08:33] <Vampier> nop
[08:36] <mebaran151> I need rar
[08:36] <mebaran151> where might I get it
[08:36] <mebaran151> other than the moon
[08:36] <Dethread> mebaran151, it's in multiverse
[08:39] <scott> anyone running breezy? any problems?
[08:39] <bob2> don't run breezy
[08:40] <cyphase> scott, breezy is still in ver early development
[08:40] <cyphase> very*
[08:40] <scott> it's just like running debian unstalbe right?
[08:40] <cyphase> worse
[08:41] <bob2> no
[08:41] <bob2> don't run it, please
[08:41] <jdub> scott: more interesting
[08:41] <jdub> scott: in terms of development
[08:41] <jdub> scott: but if you're asking "problems?" then you probably shouldn't be running it :)
[08:42] <scott> well, is hoary going to get new apps or are we going to have to wait 6 months for new versions of the apps?
[08:42] <lifeless> 6 months
[08:42] <lifeless> or run breezy and accept any breakage along the way
[08:43] <nate_> irssi is pretty cool
[08:43] <nate_> you love it
[08:43] <nate_> you know it
[08:43] <scott> nate_: yeah, I like it
[08:44] <nate_> scott: i got the deb girl background with transparency in konsole
[08:44] <mebaran151> Dethread
[08:44] <mebaran151> which pack
[08:44] <mebaran151> I enabled it
[08:44] <nate_> scott: so it looks all cool
[08:44] <scott> nate_, screenshot?
[08:44] <Dethread> mebaran151, rar
[08:44] <mebaran151> multiverse that is
[08:44] <mebaran151> is it available for AMD64
[08:44] <Dethread> don't know
[08:45] <nate_> ummm, my ss isn't working
[08:45] <nate_> scott: how in kde?
[08:45] <mebaran151> I have unrar
[08:45] <scott> nate_: no clue, aquire screenshot with gimp
[08:45] <mebaran151> but not rar
[08:45] <Dethread> mebaran151, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/rar
[08:46] <mebaran151> hmm
[08:46] <mebaran151> I am in Breezy
[08:46] <Dethread> ah
[08:46] <Dethread> well, I don't know about breezy
[08:46] <Dethread> why are you using that, anyway
[08:46] <mebaran151> i need to rar subtitles for mplayer
[08:46] <mebaran151> so that they load with their idx
[08:46] <Dethread> why are you using breezy
[08:46] <mebaran151> otherwise it complains
[08:46] <mebaran151> oh Breezy
[08:46] <mebaran151> the libc6 of Hoary is not very good for AMD64
[08:47] <mebaran151> I got random halts until I upgraded
[08:47] <Dethread> ah
[08:47] <tjs> is anyone working towards being able to run ubuntu as a xen guest domain?
[08:47] <mebaran151> but rar is only for i386 anyway
[08:47] <Dethread> well, you can try downloading the package itself I guess, and install it manually
[08:47] <mebaran151> it wont run
[08:47] <mebaran151> I dont feel like it
[08:47] <mebaran151> make it work
[08:48] <Dethread> rohan, what are you doing
[08:48] <Dethread> stick with a name
[08:50] <nate_> scott: you there? http://img97.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot29hq.png
[08:51] <jdub> nate_: you run kde and gnome-terminal?
[08:51] <nate_> jdub: no, konsole
[08:51] <Weirdos> i see no reason you couldn't anyway
[08:51] <nate_> yeah, you could, but why would you want to?
[08:52] <jdub> that sshot looks alarmingly like kde+g-t
[08:52] <nate_> nopers :)
[08:52] <nate_> oops, yes it is
[08:52] <nate_> lol!
[08:52] <jdub> and when i say alarmingly, i mean "that is gnome-terminal"
[08:53] <nate_> eww, konsole = ugly
[08:55] <pablo928> Hello, all. I had installed a financial management package  similar to quicken, on my ubuntu box,but i reloaded ubuntu and forgot the name of the app. Can anyone help?
[08:55] <jdub> pablo928: gnucash?
[08:56] <pablo928>  jdub, that's the one. thanks.
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> hey, how heavy volume is ubuntu-announce list ? how many emails per day ?
[08:56] <nate_> da_bon_bon: got gmail?
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> nate_: course
[08:57] <nate_> da_bon_bon: then let it be massive-volume and do it anyways :)
[08:57] <jdub> da_bon_bon: ubuntu-announce is very quiet
[08:57] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, ubuntu-announce is about one email a month
[08:58] <freewoody> How do I install a DNS Server in Ubuntu
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> jdub, Burgundavia: ok
[08:58] <iso> freewoody bind
[08:59] <freewoody> Well how difficult is setting up a DNS Server ?
[08:59] <iso> not very
[08:59] <freewoody> by the way, is there any graphical version of SSH to use in Linux
[08:59] <freewoody> Like WinScp ?
[09:00] <jdub> freewoody: it depends on whether you understand dns or not - i'd recommend getting a copy of o'reilly's DNS & Bind
[09:00] <jdub> freewoody: your file manager supports sftp natively :-)
[09:00] <Swynndla> freewoody, nautalus lets you scp graphically
[09:00] <jdub> freewoody: Places > Connect to Server...
[09:01] <iso> hm. what type of cable do you need to hook up Eth0 on a router directly to a host?
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> i didnt get it --> "If you want to make sure you are first in line for the new CDs, you should sign up for the Ubuntu announcement list.
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> "
[09:02] <nate_> i think konsole blows, heh
[09:02] <jdub> da_bon_bon: so you know when new releases are available :)
[09:02] <iso> i want a ubuntu t-shirt so bad..
[09:02] <tjoe> Does any on have an Atheros wireless lan card
[09:02] <jdub> iso: a crossover cable.
[09:02] <iso> jdub thx
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> jdub: really ? i thought it was kindova auction -- first 10 replies get the cds sent out now..
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> and such
[09:03] <jdub> da_bon_bon: not at all - go to shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:03] <nate_> crossover is only used between like devices
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> jdub: i know. i read it in shipit faq
[09:04] <iso> In Australia, they charge by the kb =\ for internet
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> iso: :P
[09:06] <iso> anyone know what proxyscan.freenode.net is?
[09:06] <iso> scanning my sheet.
[09:07] <jdub> it's the irc network host scanning to check that your host isn't an open proxy
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> are kde cds SURELY noy gonna shipped in shipit ?
[09:12] <jacquesm1rde> is it easier to set up a default ubuntu installation to play .asx files or .ram files?
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> jacquesm1rde: no
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> jacquesm1rde: u need xine + codecs
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> jacquesm1rde: u the same as jacquesmerde ?
[09:13] <sid> how do i configure my xorg.conf to get a better screen resolution
[09:13] <sid> right now i have only a 640x480
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> sid: xorgconfig
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> sid: or dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:14] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: yup, i just logged in without realise i was already logged in
[09:14] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: then, dont u use arch linux ?
[09:15] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: i use arch, but i'm setting my mother up with ubuntu, and she wants to listen to online radio
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: why not have her use arch ? anyway, xine + w32codecs from marillat will do the trick
[09:16] <sid> i am new to  this what would i have to edit in the xorgconfig
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> sid: just run it. it will help you
[09:17] <nate_> i need to go
[09:17] <nate_> oh man
[09:17] <nate_> later
[09:17] <nate_> v55
[09:17] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: her wifi card needs ndiswrapper, and i wasnt brave enough to try it with arch
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: ok
[09:18] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: so ubuntu's totem runs on top of xine, yeah? so i just have to add the right plug-in?
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: right. apt-get install totem-xine
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> but totem-xine video quality SUCKs
[09:20] <nate_> oh man, and ubuntu thong:
[09:20] <nate_> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[09:21] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon, oh so totem is defaultly running on gstreamer or something? if i install totem-xine it will automatically replace gstreamer or whatever?
[09:21] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: is totem-xine in main?
[09:21] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: and which codec do you recommend?
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: w32codecs
[09:21] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: no, totem-xine is in universe
[09:21] <da_bon_bon> its in marillat
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: if u do add marillat, read the wiki on "apt authentication"
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: or bettter still, ubuntuguide.com
[09:22] <nate_> jacquesmerde: in case you want an ubuntu thong: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[09:22] <da_bon_bon> LOL
[09:22] <nate_> it helps you get xine working
[09:22] <nate_> i swear
[09:23] <nate_> err, totem or whatever
[09:23] <da_bon_bon> LORL
[09:23] <nate_> you know you're all looking at the thong right now
[09:24] <nate_> thats why its all quiet
[09:24] <jacquesmerde> da_bon_bon: i dont think it really matters if totem-xine video quality sucks. i dont think my mother will be watching any high-definition porn...at least i hope not!
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> right
[09:24] <da_bon_bon> :D
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> LORL again
[09:25] <nate_> jacquesmerde: better than porn, ubuntu thong: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[09:25] <jacquesmerde> the thong is great, i've always thought "gee, ubuntu is great, it checks my email, formats my documents, runs my games....if only it cloud floss my ass as well"
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> jacquesmerde: btw, i'd love to watch that HD porn
[09:25] <nate_> da_bon_bon: you sound like a thong man: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[09:25] <da_bon_bon> nate_: stop trolling
[09:25] <iso> http://tseng.ath.cx/images/p1010146.jpg
[09:25] <nate_> da_bon_bon: haha, cmon :)
[09:25] <iso> i want one of those shirts ^
[09:26] <jacquesmerde> well, if i was in a porn move, it wouldnt have to be HD, but it would definitely have to be WS
[09:26] <nate_> iso: those are actually pretty cool
[09:27] <iso> nate_ agree
[09:27] <nate_> i'm leaving
[09:27] <nate_> apparently i'm a troll
[09:27] <nate_> i'll be eating any goats that come by my bed
[09:27] <nate_> later! :)
[09:28] <Nalioth> troll? goats? OOkay
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> we want kubuntu in shipit.. who else, please raise hands -- \o/
[09:32] <bluesign> anyone know "sql enterprise manager" like tool for ubuntu to manage SQL server?
[09:33] <reed> hello
[09:33] <reed> does anybody here uses a palm on usb?
[09:34] <reed> or any other usbserial device, FWIW
[09:36] <sid> the server is already ready for display 0
[09:36] <sid> and the stil i have 640x480
[09:37] <sid> this is after running the xorgconfig
[09:45] <zyga> hello
[09:45] <zyga> I'd like to ask you about tv cards
[09:45] <zyga> I've seen quite a few not work at all with linux
[09:45] <zyga> any recommendations for a future buyer?
[09:45] <Fator_Dee> my wintv card has worked out of the box
[09:46] <zyga> Fator_Dee: which chipset was it based on/
[09:46] <Fator_Dee> although it's quite an old card
[09:46] <Fator_Dee> zyga: tell me how to find it out and I'll tell you :-\
[09:47] <zyga> I'm not going to watch tv on this thing at all, I'm only interested in plugging stuff like a console to it
[09:47] <zyga> Fator_Dee: lspci
[09:47] <Fator_Dee> 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)
[09:47] <stuNNed> zyga: wintv's so i've heard work good, maybe the older ones?
[09:49] <zyga> Fator_Dee: thanks I'll keep that in mind
[09:49] <zyga> Fator_Dee: which tv app did you use?
[09:49] <Fator_Dee> tvtime
[09:51] <reed> what do you suggest to investigate when irdadump does not see any activity from another device (and discovery is activated)?
[09:51] <zyga> hmm according to tvtime home page my card is supported
[09:51] <zyga> Fator_Dee: did you have to modprobe anything?
[09:52] <Fator_Dee> I did exactly nothing :-)
[09:53] <zyga> Fator_Dee: I think I'll re-try my card again I dind't really try that hard, anyway - thanks for lspci :-)
[09:53] <reed> zyga: debian kernels can get very frustrating at times... do you see all v4l modules loaded?
[09:53] <zyga> reed: checking
[09:53] <Fator_Dee> zyga: glad that I could be of (some) help
[09:54] <zyga> reed: nope
[09:54] <zyga> reed: I assume something like v4l or v4l2
[09:54] <reed> zyga: I assume so (I don't have any tv card)
[09:56] <reed> zyga: also search in /lib/modules/<your kernel>/modules.pcimap and /usr/share/discover/pci-26.lst which module is right for your card
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> is sound broken for audigy 2 users?
[09:57] <crimsun> no
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> well it didn't work for me
[09:57] <crimsun> then paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[09:57] <Mr_Smiley> sure
[09:58] <Amaranth> if seems http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RyanLortie got his audigy 2 to work, if no one else can help try emailing him
[09:58] <reed> irda tty_sir seems to be broken
[09:58] <Amaranth> he said people do it all the time :)
[09:58] <Mr_Smiley> http://pastebin.com/279426
[09:59] <mitrick> Mr_Smiley, yes it is
[09:59] <Mr_Smiley> thought so
[09:59] <Mr_Smiley> i saw a forum thread somewhere
[09:59] <mitrick> i got an audigy and i got no sound
[09:59] <Mr_Smiley> seems to help
[10:00] <crimsun> Mr_Smiley: unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack'
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[10:00] <mitrick> u can have it back by compiling manually alsa 1.0.8 or 1.0.9r2
[10:00] <crimsun> mitrick: not necessary
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> yeah thats what the thread says
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> but i'll try this first
[10:00] <mitrick> i got no mixer with my audigy 2
[10:00] <mitrick> so i cant umute
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[10:00] <Mr_Smiley> well i have a mixer
[10:01] <crimsun> mitrick: "no mixer"?
[10:01] <mitrick> i got the audigy 2 value
[10:01] <mitrick> crimsun, nope
[10:01] <crimsun> mitrick: which pci id?
[10:01] <Mwnci> anyone know a program that can make a clone of a ext3 partition. weridly enough I have a linux program that can only clone fat32 and ntfs
[10:02] <mitrick> 05:0a.0
[10:02] <stuNNed> mitrick: afaik that uses the CA0108 module but i could be wrong.
[10:02] <Amaranth> Mwnci: I think g4u does it.
[10:02] <mitrick> its the sb0400 model
[10:02] <Mwnci> ill have a read
[10:03] <crimsun> sb0400.
[10:03] <mitrick> right now im on my laptop and sound work good with esd but no alsa
[10:03] <mitrick> in xmms
[10:04] <mitrick> on my main box i run slack 10.1 cuz i got sound
[10:04] <reed> Mwnci: dd is not enough?
[10:04] <crimsun> sb0400 support wasn't added to snd-emu10k1 until 1.0.8rc1
[10:04] <Mwnci> Amaranth, where can i get a release of g4u? sourceforge doesnt have any
[10:05] <ivoks> mitrick ?
[10:05] <mitrick> crimsun, i know it works with alsa 1.0.8 cuz thats what i got on slack 10.1
[10:05] <mitrick> works out of the box
[10:05] <Mwnci> reed: i tried a program made by digital dolly that booted into a red hat kernel and will not read ext3  can do ntfs and fat32
[10:05] <mitrick> ubuntu has same alsa but doesnt work at all
[10:05] <crimsun> mitrick: yes, it does. 1.0.8 is available in alsa-source from universe.
[10:05] <crimsun> mitrick: ubuntu ships with alsa 1.0.6.
[10:05] <ivoks> mitrick i'm sure it does :)
[10:05] <mitrick> 1.0.6?
[10:06] <mitrick> im on hoary
[10:06] <tommi^> The modeline is wrong on my computer and I change with xorgcfg. I try to save the configuration, as root of course, but it doesn't have any effect when the system is restarted. I think that the xorg.conf does get written, but it's somehow wrong. Does someone know what's wrong or perhaps could take a look at my xorg.conf, found here http://asiala.info/xorg.conf . Thanks
[10:06] <crimsun> yes.
[10:06] <reed> Mwnci: I have no idea
[10:06] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/version
[10:06] <Amaranth> Mwnci: Never used it, just heard of it.
[10:06] <mitrick> its 1.0.8
[10:06] <ivoks> mitrick what kernel?
[10:06] <mitrick> 2.6.10
[10:06] <mitrick> what! 1.0.6>?
[10:06] <crimsun> trust me.
[10:06] <ivoks> yep, 1.0.6
[10:06] <stuNNed> 1.0.6 yep
[10:06] <mitrick> i got alsamixer
[10:06] <crimsun> I told you, use alsa-source from universe.
[10:07] <mitrick> and i see 1.0.8 on top
[10:07] <crimsun> alsa-utils != alsa-kernel
[10:07] <ivoks> mitrick man apt-get install alsa-source
[10:07] <ivoks> LOL
[10:07] <mitrick> what is the diff in source.list
[10:07] <Mwnci> Amaranth, from what i can see that only allows ftp backup   i need usb
[10:07] <mitrick> universe and multivers
[10:07] <ivoks> alsa-source depends on kernel-source!! WTF?Q
[10:07] <ivoks> ubuntu is totaly broken
[10:07] <crimsun> ivoks: um, no?
[10:08] <ivoks> crimsun um, yes
[10:08] <Amaranth> Mwnci: I have no idea, sorry.
[10:08] <Mwnci> universe is all packages but multivers are supported by ubuntu? mitrick
[10:08] <ivoks> crimsun is it kernel source or linux-source?!
[10:08] <Amaranth> ivoks: How do you build alsa without at least having the kernel headers?
[10:08] <stuNNed> ivoks: ok i 'apt-get install alsa-source' now what? :)
[10:08] <mitrick> so universe is better?
[10:08] <ivoks> crimsun now i should have two kernel sources?!
[10:09] <crimsun> ivoks: it absolutely does not depend on kernel-headers or kernel-source
[10:09] <ivoks> Amaranth i'm talking about package name scheme
[10:09] <Amaranth> multiverse isn't supported by canonical
[10:09] <ivoks> crimsun ups, sorry, recommends
[10:09] <ivoks> crimsun that's stoopid too
[10:09] <mitrick> ill use universe then
[10:09] <stuNNed> crimsun: what to do after 'apt-get install alsa-source' to install 1.0.8 driver?
[10:09] <Amaranth> mitrick: universe isn't supported at all either
[10:09] <ivoks> Amaranth then canonical didn't have to change from kernel-image to linux-image, etc...
[10:09] <crimsun> ivoks: no it's not. Recommends are not automatically installed.
[10:09] <ivoks> Amaranth it would be much better
[10:10] <ivoks> crimsun i know, man... but
[10:10] <Amaranth> ivoks: why? the kernel is called linux
[10:10] <mitrick> i just want a source.list that has new apps all the time
[10:10] <mitrick> like my gaim to be 1.2.1
[10:10] <crimsun> mitrick: at the cost of breakage?
[10:10] <mitrick> and not 1.1.4
[10:10] <ivoks> crimsun ubuntu has packaes that depend/recommend/etc... linux-image and kernel-image, linux-source and kernel-source
[10:10] <Amaranth> ivoks: are the packages in main?
[10:10] <crimsun> ivoks: linux-foo is the proper way for the Linux kernel
[10:11] <ivoks> crimsun then all packages should be transtalted to linux-kernel
[10:11] <ivoks> Amaranth nope
[10:11] <mitrick> hmm breakage maybe not but still i like new apps like fedora is all the time up2date
[10:11] <stuNNed> after installing a source package how to get apt to compile and install it?
[10:11] <Amaranth> ivoks: Then it's up to you or another kind soul to make that change and submit the result, universe is run by volunteers
[10:11] <Fator_Dee> stupid question, where's the beep-media-players icon :-\
[10:11] <crimsun> ivoks: ...linux-kernel?
[10:11] <ivoks> Amaranth it would be much better it old naming stayed
[10:11] <crimsun> Fator_Dee: for Hoary?
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> crimsun: yea
[10:12] <ivoks> crimsun linux-image -source -headers, etc...
[10:12] <Fator_Dee> crimsun: I mean, I have it installed but I can't find it's icon
[10:12] <bezibaerchen> is there any howto, how i can use a printer, which is offered by another cups-server?
[10:13] <crimsun> Fator_Dee: /usr/share/icons/bmp.svg
[10:13] <jdub> bezibaerchen: System > Administration > Printing, turn on "Detect LAN printers"
[10:13] <Fator_Dee> crimsun: thanks :-)
[10:13] <crimsun> ivoks: yes, that's the goal.
[10:13] <ivoks> crimsun but why?
[10:13] <crimsun> ivoks: why what?
[10:13] <ivoks> crimsun couse that way a lot packages from debian are broken
[10:14] <crimsun> ivoks: if they're broken, please file bugs.
[10:14] <ivoks> crimsun but those packages aren't in ubuntu at all
[10:14] <crimsun> ivoks: _which_ packages?
[10:14] <ivoks> crimsun ipw2200-source
[10:14] <bezibaerchen> jdub: and next step? new printer?
[10:14] <ivoks> crimsun that one isn't in ubuntu
[10:15] <ivoks> ah, never mind...
[10:15] <ivoks> it ubuntu takes mandrake's steps, no money in the world will help that distro
[10:15] <ivoks> i sure hope that wouldn't happend couse ubuntu is very good distro
[10:15] <crimsun> ivoks: not sure why ipw2200-source would need to be...
[10:16] <crimsun> ivoks: it's already compiled as part of linux-image-foo
[10:16] <ivoks> crimsun what about thoose that like to compile their own packages? :)
[10:17] <crimsun> ivoks: aptitude install linux-tree-2.6.10
[10:17] <ivoks> omg, i have too many tyops since car accident :(
[10:18] <ivoks> crimsun ipw2200 is in ubuntu's kernel patches?
[10:18] <crimsun> ivoks: modinfo ipw2200
[10:19] <ivoks> crimsun i know that in ubuntu's kerel it is
[10:19] <ivoks> crimsun but is it in the ubuntu's kernel source?
[10:19] <ivoks> couse i didn't find it
[10:19] <crimsun> ivoks: if it's built, it must be
[10:19] <ivoks> crimsun well... ipw2200 is restricted...
[10:21] <stuNNed> mitrick: this might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19307&page=1&pp=10
[10:21] <ivoks> hm... it is...
[10:21] <crimsun> ivoks: how is it restricted?
[10:21] <ivoks> crimsun it needs firmware
[10:21] <crimsun> ivoks: the source code is under the GPL
[10:21] <ivoks> crimsun yeah, but it needs fw
[10:22] <Mwnci> does anyone have a problem installing java? i have a 64bit machine but cant get either the 64bit or the 32bit to function
[10:22] <crimsun> ivoks: that doesn't change that the source itself is DFSG-free
[10:22] <ivoks> crimsun i know
[10:22] <Mwnci> i install it and when I run it then I get cant find java runtime enviroment
[10:22] <ivoks> crimsun heh, ipw2200 is under kernel source tree, but didn't found it over menuconfig
[10:23] <ivoks> ah... there it is...omg
[10:23] <ivoks> i was blind
[10:24] <Segosa`> segosa@ubuntu:~$ sudo echo test > /etc/hostname
[10:24] <Segosa`> -bash: /etc/hostname: Permission denied
[10:24] <Segosa`> :/
[10:24] <crimsun> Segosa`: incorrect syntax.
[10:24] <ivoks> Segosa` right, that's ok
[10:24] <crimsun> Segosa`: echo test | sudo tee /etc/hostname
[10:25] <freewood1> How can we listen to Online Music from Ubuntu ?
[10:25] <stuNNed> crimsun: figured it out lol, thanks to linkage
[10:25] <Seveas> freewood1, using totem :)
[10:25] <freewood1> I can't listen to Yahoo music online ?
[10:25] <Segosa> thanks crimsun
[10:25] <mitrick> stuNNed, thx
[10:25] <crimsun> np
[10:25] <solomarv> is there an applet for gnome-panel that shows temperature? i can search for it, but was wondering if someone knows a good one of the top of their head
[10:25] <crimsun> stuNNed: weren't you using 1.0.8cvs anyhow?
[10:25] <stuNNed> mitrick: hope it works out for you
[10:25] <mitrick> i bookmarked that link so when ill reinstall ubuntu on my main box ill try that
[10:26] <stuNNed> crimsun: um was using emu10k1 (oss) there for a bit then to ubuntu stock now 1.0.8
[10:26] <stuNNed> crimsun: i couldn't get it to compile with cvscompile
[10:26] <freewood1> Which url should I give in Totem for listening to Yahoo music ?
[10:26] <crimsun> stuNNed: hum. I could have sworn you were using ALSA 1.0.8+cvs at one point.
[10:26] <Segosa> crimsun: after that's done how do i get ubuntu to use the new one?
[10:27] <stuNNed> crimsun: think i tried at one point, was using 1.0.9rc1
[10:27] <crimsun> Segosa: the one in /etc/hostname ?
[10:27] <Segosa> yes
[10:27] <stuNNed> crimsun: it's a shame actually emu10k1(oss) is a decent driver
[10:27] <crimsun> Segosa: hostname `cat /etc/hostname`
[10:27] <Segosa> aha
[10:27] <Segosa> thanks
[10:27] <crimsun> Segosa: though you may find it easier to reboot if certain daemons are running with the old one
[10:28] <Segosa> hmm
[10:28] <crimsun> stuNNed: of course it's decent; that's where the ALSA driver has its roots :)
[10:28] <ivoks> omg lol
[10:28] <ivoks> dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.10 not in control info
[10:28] <stuNNed> crimsun: ah
[10:28] <ivoks> of course, there are only kernel- :)
[10:29] <crimsun> ivoks: what are you trying to compile?
[10:29] <ivoks> crimsun kernel :)
[10:29] <alotti> so can somebody tell me what am i doning wrong -i cant seem to install any thing correctly = it does not install from desktop,no where
[10:29] <mitrick> anyways if its too much to work for me to have sound i could always get my old sound blaster live 5.1 pci
[10:29] <crimsun> ivoks: then use what's in linux-source-2.6.10
[10:29] <mitrick> that one i know it works on linux but dunno in ubuntu
[10:29] <kandinski> hey, my ubuntu laptop just froze strangely mid-asking for a password in visual sudo
[10:29] <ivoks> crimsun and what do u think i'm doing? :)
[10:30] <ivoks> crimsun apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:30] <stuNNed> kandinski: i've had freeze ups on my laptop as well, think it's ACPI related or something, an older lapotp is it?
[10:30] <kandinski> there is a warning on the screen saying (in Spanish) "I can't block your mouse, a malicious client could be spying on your session"
[10:30] <kandinski> no, it is working
[10:30] <crimsun> ivoks: that's installed as part of linux-tree-2.6.10
[10:30] <kandinski> I am logged to it through ssh
[10:30] <Seveas> kandinski, are you running warty?
[10:30] <ivoks> crimsun grep linux-image /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/debian/control
[10:30] <ivoks> none
[10:30] <kandinski> how can I recoup my session
[10:30] <kandinski> no, hoary
[10:31] <crimsun> ivoks: why would /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/ have debian/* ?
[10:32] <ivoks> crimsun ?
[10:32] <Loevborg> does anyone know how to print (convert) a pdf to another pdf, but with two pages per page?
[10:32] <ivoks> crimsun because u could build deb package from kernel source
[10:32] <ivoks> crimsun that's what deb is all about
[10:32] <crimsun> ivoks: no, you build deb from debianised source, not vanilla upstream
[10:32] <crimsun> ivoks: you want apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[10:32] <ivoks> crimsun that;s debianised source, not vanilla upstream
[10:33] <freewood1> I still can't listen to Yahoo music from ubuntu ?
[10:33] <crimsun> ivoks: of course you want debianised source to build a deb :)
[10:33] <Amaranth> freewood1: launch requires windows media player
[10:34] <ivoks> crimsun right, that's my point
[10:34] <freewood1> How do I do that from Totem
[10:34] <kandinski> for the record, I did ps ax | grep gksudo and killed them all
[10:34] <Amaranth> freewood1: the totem mozilla plugin isn't really usable yet and afaik it isn't in ubuntu
[10:34] <freewood1> So how do we listen to music online from Ubuntu
[10:35] <crimsun> ivoks: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 contains the patched source, not the debianised tree
[10:35] <Amaranth> not to mention that gstreamer doesn't support wmv3
[10:35] <kandinski> now I got my desktop back
[10:35] <crimsun> ivoks: _that's_ my point
[10:35] <ivoks> crimsun so, i should get linux-image source?
[10:35] <crimsun> ivoks: yes. Wouldn't you do that for any other package?
[10:35] <crimsun> :)
[10:35] <ivoks> crimsun yep, but linux-source is source of linux-kernel, isn't it?
[10:36] <ivoks> acctually, linux-image
[10:36] <freewood1> So what's the deal to listen to yahoo music online ?
[10:36] <crimsun> ivoks: you'll see the differences
[10:36] <crimsun> freewood1: what does it require?
[10:36] <ivoks> crimsun i didn't :)
[10:37] <crimsun> ivoks: besides the fact that there's a debian/ tree in the debianised tree vs. not having one in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 ?
[10:37] <ivoks> crimsun but there is! :)
[10:38] <ivoks> hm
[10:38] <ivoks> am I mad or something? :)
[10:39] <crimsun> quite.
[10:43] <alotti> can some one email me a sreenshot of a installment task for programs on ubuntu i new like 05-01-05
[10:43] <ivoks> hah!
[10:43] <alotti> i cant install anything
[10:43] <ivoks> crimsun look at this:
[10:43] <ivoks> sudo apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10
[10:43] <joelbryanster> anyone here a GNOME developer?
[10:43] <ivoks> E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-source-2.6.10
[10:43] <ivoks> hm
[10:44] <crimsun> ivoks: that's because there is no linux-image-2.6.10
[10:44] <crimsun> ivoks: there're only linux-image-2.6.10-abi-foo
[10:44] <ivoks> ah,
[10:44] <ivoks> -686
[10:44] <crimsun> linux-image-2.6.10-5-686, for instance
[10:44] <ivoks> yeah... i figured that, thanks
[10:45] <crimsun> alotti: please rephrase?
[10:47] <alotti> no programs will install on ubuntu from any downloadable sites that have linux for ex. realplayer, yahoo music,videos i cant place any installs
[10:47] <fsapo> please.. anyone know how to open an udp port with firestarter?
[10:47] <fsapo> alotti, what do you wanna do? play videos?
[10:47] <crimsun> fsapo: the docs should have examples
[10:47] <fsapo> crimsun, aready searched, nothing about udp
[10:48] <crimsun> alotti: have you read over http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ?
[10:48] <crimsun> fsapo: that's quite a bit to stomach...
[10:48] <fsapo> crimsun, the new azureus is using the por 6881 udp
[10:48] <fsapo> crimsun, i had to turn off the firewall for it to work =/
[10:49] <alotti> not really just  be able to install when ever i need or want to i spend 5-6 hours trying new things but nothing help just want to know the steps
[10:49] <crimsun> fsapo: azureus should work fine (but slower downloads for you)
[10:49] <crimsun> alotti: the steps are outlined there.
[10:49] <fsapo> alotti, it depends on what kind of package you are going to install
[10:50] <alotti> yes even the steps do not help i have follow them
[10:50] <fsapo> alotti, what exactly are you trying to install?
[10:50] <fsapo> alotti, 90%+ of all software you will ever use you can find in synaptic with apt
[10:51] <alotti> sudo window ... inside ask for password i give...command is bad or something
[10:52] <fsapo> alotti, window?
[10:52] <alotti> so are you telling me they all need apt i thought apt was for online installs
[10:53] <fsapo> alotti, no.. if you have download you need to know what kind of package is it
[10:53] <fsapo> rpm, tar.gz, bin, deb, source, cvs
[10:54] <ivoks> crimsun i should apply patches on this source?
[10:54] <crimsun> ivoks: that's up to you. It's already patched.
[10:54] <Dethread> cvs is a kind of package?
[10:55] <ivoks> crimsun linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10 doesn't have ipw2200
[10:55] <fsapo> hehe cvs isnt a package :P
[10:55] <ivoks> crimsun i patched it with linux-patches
[10:55] <Dethread> ;)
[10:55] <ivoks> ok.. i never did kernel this way :)
[10:55] <crimsun> ivoks: the build process patches the source
[10:55] <alotti> yes ok after i down.. its normally a bin then i extract to normally tar rpm sometimes gz but there not installable after that ither
[10:56] <ivoks> i allways build it from linux-source package
[10:56] <ivoks> or even upstream sources
[10:56] <fsapo> alotti, if it is a tar.gz just type tar xzvf package.tar.gz
[10:56] <ivoks> without v :)
[10:56] <Dethread> alotti, tar or tar.gz usually contain source...you will have to compile and install it manually (./configure->make->make install)
[10:56] <fsapo> alotti, the "cd package" or whatever folder it creates...
[10:57] <fsapo> alotti, then just read the README or INSTALL file
[10:57] <Dethread> alotti, rpms need to be converted to deb via alien for ubuntu's package system to use it
[10:58] <NeWiTa> fsapo: "alotti, 90%+ of all software you will ever use you can find in synaptic with apt" - ahhh, what a perfect world that would be :) unfortunately this is not even close to the truth if you do more in ubuntu then just play with it.. say like trying to graduate :D:)
[10:58] <transgress> there a wiki on setting up the lm_sensors in ubuntu?
[10:59] <fsapo> NeWiTa, thats for me.. i find everything i need in synaptic :P
[10:59] <NeWiTa> fsapo: :):)
[11:01] <alotti> ok ? can you fellows of linux give me all examples so i could make a note with it that'll help alot ,when it comes to this new OS for me you guys are a bit brilliant
[11:02] <Dethread> alotti, what exactly are you trying to install
[11:03] <ivoks> ah...
[11:03] <fsapo> alotti, installing things in linux isnt that dificult
[11:03] <alotti> i really nedd to now how alot of sites that try to tell me were to simple in microsoft words and this is a little more taskful
[11:04] <fsapo> damn i cant manage how to open the stupid udp port =/
[11:04] <fsapo> alotti, the commom packages are:
[11:04] <Kawa> alotti www.ubuntuforums.org ;-) they got nice howtos for stuff ;)  --- have a look on the starter guide
[11:04] <fsapo> alotti, .deb -> "dpkg -i package.deb"
[11:05] <fsapo> alotti, .rpm -> "alien package.rpm" it will creat a .deb with the same name then just install it
[11:05] <Drews_Blunted> hey, how can i edit my gnome menu in nautilus how come applications:/// doesnt work anymore?
[11:05] <fsapo> alotti, .tar.gz -> extract with "tar xzvf package.tar.gz" and read the README or INSTALL file
[11:06] <Choubaka> or just install the software with apt-get...
[11:06] <Choubaka> external packages are not for newbies.
[11:06] <Drews_Blunted> anyone knowa anything about gnome 2.10?
[11:06] <fsapo> Drews_Blunted, no
[11:06] <Dethread> Drews_Blunted, I use an app called "menu-editor" to mess with Gnome's menus
[11:07] <joelbryanster> I want to ask something about GNOME internals
[11:07] <pkrumins> i just installed ubuntu for the first time!
[11:07] <joelbryanster> I want to know, where did nautilius getting the Emblem information of a certain file?
[11:07] <joelbryanster> do it have an xml file to write, and retrieve it when that information is viewed?
[11:07] <Kawa> alotti http://www.linux.ie/newusers/beginners-linux-guide/    and here is a big ressource http://loll.sourceforge.net/linux/links/Linux_General/Beginners_/
[11:07] <Drews_Blunted> Dethread, yea i have menu-editor installed but it doesnt work well and i caanot see all the menu entrys in the program
[11:07] <Drews_Blunted> its got limited functions
[11:08] <Dethread> Drews_Blunted, that's my complaint, too ... sorry, don't know anything else
[11:08] <alotti> ok so i install from the terminal correct? then i always type in sudo correct
[11:08] <deadly_omen> hi !
[11:09] <Choubaka> external packages suck. You can't upgrade them easily :)
[11:09] <deadly_omen> i search a ubuntu agnula demudi   install    who is url ?
[11:09] <deadly_omen> (i'm french sorry)
[11:09] <Choubaka> ubuntu what?
[11:09] <alotti> then what should i do then type the name of the instll package then the formula
[11:10] <Kawa> alotti make yourself superuser with su  or sudo if you just want do do one thing as root
[11:10] <Choubaka> or type sudo many times.
[11:10] <Dethread> sudo -s works well
[11:10] <Choubaka> You might forget the terminal open ;P
[11:11] <Dethread> if someone has physical access to your computer, you're screwed anyway :)
[11:11] <Choubaka> nah.
[11:11] <Choubaka> unless they open it and rip out the HD.
[11:12] <seraphiel> what package provides ft2build.h ?
[11:12] <Kawa> ok you might think about messing the bios and so on ;)
[11:12] <crimsun> joelbryanster: take a look at shared-mime-info and how it relates to gnomevfs2 and nautilus
[11:12] <deadly_omen> Choubaka,  ubuntu agnula demudi
[11:12] <horiz0n> hi
[11:12] <Choubaka> What's that?
[11:12] <horiz0n> can i run kde on ubuntu ?
[11:12] <Choubaka> yes.
[11:12] <horiz0n> i don like gnome
[11:12] <horiz0n> how can i do this ?
[11:12] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :P
[11:12] <horiz0n> ;] 
[11:12] <Choubaka> and you will have kubuntu
[11:12] <Choubaka> aren't agnula and demudi destros of their own?
[11:13] <horiz0n> is there any manuall or FAQ pages for ubuntu ?
[11:13] <Choubaka> ubuntuguide.org
[11:13] <horiz0n> :] 
[11:13] <horiz0n> nice
[11:13] <Choubaka> also, see the forums.
[11:13] <fsapo> horiz0n, http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:14] <horiz0n> google turned off for me ;] 
[11:14] <alotti> so after sudo type the name of the package as it come from extraction
[11:15] <horiz0n> kernel upgrade is avalaible like other linux relases ?
[11:15] <deadly_omen> who have a ubuntu agnula demudi ?
[11:16] <fsapo> horiz0n, whats your cpu?
[11:16] <fsapo> horiz0n, you can update your kernel via apt-get
[11:16] <horiz0n> barton 2.5@3.2
[11:16] <horiz0n> i don want apt-get in kernel
[11:16] <horiz0n> i like sources
[11:16] <horiz0n> :] 
[11:17] <fsapo> horiz0n, so.. just install the k7 kernel
[11:17] <fsapo> horiz0n, if thats the case.. just compile it :P
[11:17] <seraphiel> does anybody know what package provides ft2build.h?
[11:18] <Seveas> seraphiel, what are you trying to compile?
[11:18] <seraphiel> Seveas, e17
[11:19] <fsapo> seraphiel, freetype2 i guess
[11:19] <Choubaka> horiz0n: compiling a kernel from sources doesn't really yield any benefits.
[11:19] <Choubaka> Have you ever compiled a kernel?
[11:20] <seraphiel> fsapo, I have freetype2 installed
[11:20] <crimsun> fsapo: libfreetype6 is installed
[11:20] <fsapo> seraphiel, thats what my friend google said.. btw http://computing.ee.ethz.ch/sepp/freetype-2.0.6-mo.SEPP/freetype-2.0.6/include/ft2build.h
[11:20] <Choubaka> you need the -dev package.
[11:20] <fsapo> seraphiel, try the dev package
[11:20] <Choubaka> libfreetype6-dev or something.
[11:21] <dead^^> i have a problem with copying. again :P. KDE just says "Bash: !.mp3" and refuses to copy it, because i have (!) in the end of the filename.
[11:21] <goldfish> lol
[11:21] <Choubaka> escape it
[11:21] <Choubaka> mv file\!.mp3 file2.mp3
[11:21] <dead^^> i have a problem with copying. again :P. KDE just says Bash: !.mp3 and refuses to copy it, because i have (!) in the end of the filename.
[11:21] <goldfish> hmmmm....
[11:21] <Choubaka> -_-
[11:21] <transgress> anyone know what kicker is?
[11:22] <Choubaka> it's KDE's panel
[11:22] <Choubaka> ?
[11:22] <transgress> ah okay
[11:22] <Choubaka> something like that.
[11:22] <Choubaka> I don't use KDE. :p
[11:22] <transgress> i do heh
[11:22] <seraphiel> fsapo, can`t find the package...
[11:22] <alotti> thanks to all ...now i have to call my living virus she is agitated. Again thanks i want to remain linuxual ..windows portals are a emetic to ubuntu birth ,...and to all a good morning.
[11:23] <Choubaka> seraphiel: use the search.
[11:23] <fsapo> alotti, good morning :P
[11:23] <NicP> err what?
[11:23] <Choubaka> seraphiel: it is libfreetype6-dev
[11:23] <Kisain> i gusse thats the same as saying:
[11:23] <Kisain> my celery stalks at night
[11:23] <seraphiel> Choubaka, I have that one installed,too
[11:23] <alotti> fsapo, thank alot
[11:24] <Choubaka> then it ought to work.
[11:25] <saber_> how can i install phpgroupware on warty? it needs php4-imap, but i can't seem to download it
[11:25] <Choubaka> it does exist in the repositories.
[11:25] <Choubaka> Do you have universe enabled?
[11:25] <Kisain> does ubuntu have an x server?
[11:25] <killer> wassup nigga
[11:26] <damn> i have just installed ubuntu and Unofficial Ubuntu Add-On CD and i cannot rip cds to mp3, the computer is not on the internet!!! how can i get it to work
[11:26] <Choubaka> killer: err, yes?
[11:26] <saber_> i searched for it on packages.ubuntu.com, and it wasn't listed
[11:26] <killer> chill bruddas
[11:26] <Choubaka> saber_: it does exist in the repositories.
[11:26] <fsapo> saber_, just add universe to your repositories
[11:26] <Choubaka> killer: That's annoying, you know. :)
[11:26] <Kisain> um dude your on the internet if your here :p\
[11:26] <killer> wtf fuck niggas??!!
[11:26] <NicP> anyone know what line coding is?
[11:26] <damn> yeah this another pc
[11:27] <fsapo> saber_, just put this line in you /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:27] <crimsun> killer: mind the Code of Conduct, please.
[11:27] <saber_> ah! its there for hoary, but not for warty
[11:27] <crimsun> Kisain: yes, it does. X.Org's X servers.
[11:27] <Kisain> ok
[11:27] <fsapo> saber_, just install the hoary version 
[11:27] <fsapo> saber_, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:27] <fsapo> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[11:28] <Kisain> anyone been able to get teamspeak to run on ubuntu?/
[11:28] <Choubaka> ubuntu-updates and security-updates are good to have too.
[11:28] <killer> go fuk ya selvs lads
[11:28] <saber_> alright
[11:28] <goldfish> killer: LOL, u fool.
[11:28] <Choubaka> killer: You go learn English. :)
[11:28] <crimsun> killer: sure thing.
[11:29] <Kisain> people that talk like you must be really small minded and insecure.
[11:29] <fsapo> killer, _)_
[11:29] <killer> +englioch can suk my fat hai63r636y363 6363
[11:29] <killer> c363
[11:29] <killer> o63
[11:29] <Choubaka> minded?
[11:29] <killer> 63
[11:29] <killer> 6
[11:29] <goldfish> killer: stoned? pfft.
[11:29] <killer> 6c3k
[11:29] <Choubaka> you mean, people with a small penis and a bloated ego?
[11:29] <goldfish> lol
[11:30] <Kisain> same diffrence in my book lol
[11:30] <crimsun> killer: do you have anything constructive to add?
[11:31] <NeWiTa> crimsun: ban? no?
[11:32] <crimsun> there are more constructive means of Ubuntu than banning.
[11:32] <NeWiTa> like letting him insult who he pleases?
[11:33] <saber_> is hoary stable? i heard it was released recently
[11:33] <NeWiTa> i guess that's a way to go, not mine though :)
[11:34] <fsapo> saber_, hoary here is rock solid :) no problems at all
[11:34] <crimsun> NeWiTa: /ignore him if you wish. If he doesn't offer anything constructive, he has sealed his fate.
[11:34] <saber_> what kind of work do you do with your machines, fsapo?
[11:34] <Kisain> anyone know how to get teamspeak to run on ubuntu?
[11:34] <crimsun> saber_: yes, Hoary was released about one month ago.
[11:35] <saber_> cool
[11:35] <fsapo> saber_, basically desktop, playing ut2k4, ripping dvds, etc
[11:36] <fsapo> saber_, http://img48.echo.cx/img48/1749/screenshot24wu.png
[11:36] <fsapo> saber_, :)
[11:36] <saber_> heh. i'll go take a look
[11:37] <fsapo> saber_, basically i leave the computer on 24 hours/day
[11:37] <fsapo> saber_, never crashed ;)
[11:38] <saber_> it doesn't count unless you stress your machine =P
[11:38] <cbruggeman> hi
[11:38] <cbruggeman> is their someone here ?
[11:38] <fsapo> saber_, :)
[11:38] <cbruggeman> :)
[11:38] <cbruggeman> not only bot
[11:38] <cbruggeman> cool :)
[11:38] <fsapo> cbruggeman, everybody sleeping.. we are all bots
[11:39] <cbruggeman> snifff
[11:39] <cbruggeman> i have a big problem
[11:39] <goldfish> explain
[11:39] <cbruggeman> get up it's the time
[11:39] <cbruggeman> lol
[11:39] <cbruggeman> k i try to install spip with my ubuntu
[11:39] <NeWiTa> here is 10:40 am
[11:40] <p0m> For some reason I read your name as "Debuggerman"
[11:40] <cbruggeman> ho k
[11:40] <schasi> 11:40 am
[11:40] <cbruggeman> im french it's why...
[11:40] <goldfish> 10:40 am here
[11:40] <cbruggeman> 12h here
[11:40] <dead^^> i have new problem. when i try to copy files with ' or ( in it, it doesn't copy it. whats the symbol that's s'posed to put in front of - behind ' or ( ?
[11:40] <fsapo> 6:47 am here :P
[11:40] <goldfish> hehe
[11:40] <goldfish> ok
[11:40] <cbruggeman> so
[11:40] <cbruggeman> i need your help
[11:40] <goldfish> dead^^: Why the hell are you naming them like that?
[11:40] <cbruggeman> when i do apt-get install spip
[11:41] <petrovski> dead^^: put \ in front
[11:41] <fsapo> dead^^, use \'
[11:41] <NeWiTa> dead: type cp, then type the first letter of the file and press tab, auto-completion helps :), anyway, it's an \ like they said
[11:41] <fsapo> dead^^, cp file\'s
[11:41] <cbruggeman> he write me wrong mysql hostname
[11:41] <cbruggeman> and i don't know how to change
[11:41] <dead^^> goldfish i had mp3's on NTFS and filenames like Final Countdown (Europe Cover).mp3
[11:42] <fsapo> dead^^, just tipe Final and hit tab it will do the dirty job for you
[11:42] <goldfish> dead^^: Ah right.
[11:42] <goldfish> aye, good ole tab
[11:42] <camcorder> dead: just type filenames in quotes like "Final Countdown (Europe Cover).mp3"
[11:43] <cbruggeman> hum...
[11:43] <cbruggeman> what about me ?
[11:44] <fsapo> cbruggeman, if i knew what is spip i could help =/
[11:44] <cbruggeman> it's a cms like phpnuke
[11:44] <cbruggeman> but better
[11:44] <cbruggeman> and he need mysql apache and php
[11:44] <fsapo> cbruggeman, and what the problem?
[11:44] <fsapo> cbruggeman, if its the hostname just use localhost
[11:44] <cbruggeman> yes i have try
[11:45] <cbruggeman> but their is nothing
[11:45] <dead^^> camcorder: why with quotes?
[11:47] <cbruggeman> someone have ever try linux for scratch ?
[11:47] <fsapo> cbruggeman, scratch?
[11:47] <cbruggeman> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[11:48] <p0m> cbruggeman: I did, it got to be too much of a hassle to maintain.
[11:48] <dead^^> camcorder: hey, why should i type filenames in quotes? how they effect? ...man i'm newbie :D
[11:49] <sid> how do i get the password for the root , i was not promted for a root when i installed ununtu
[11:49] <yahalom> i'm having layout issues in xorg.conf can anyone help?
[11:49] <fsapo> sid, you dont need one.. just use sudo with your current user password
[11:49] <cbruggeman> sudo su
[11:49] <cbruggeman> and your password
[11:49] <yahalom> sid, if u want to enable root do: sudo passwd and choose a password
[11:51] <sid> but when i put in my password it says sid is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:52] <fsapo> sid, have you created another user after the install?
[11:52] <sid> no
[11:52] <sid> just this one
[11:53] <sid> fsapo, should i creat one more user and then try
[11:53] <cbruggeman> no
[11:53] <cbruggeman> i don't think it's a good idea
[11:53] <fsapo> sid, i think thats not gonna work
[11:53] <bezibaer1hen> its not "sudo passwd"
[11:54] <bezibaer1hen> its "sudo passwd root" IIRC
[11:54] <fsapo> sid, i just used one user and never had problems...
[11:54] <fsapo> sid, but i think when you creat another one it is not going to have sudo permission
[11:54] <sid> my friend also dint have a problem
[11:54] <fsapo> sid, but i m just guessing
[11:54] <sid> ok
[11:55] <yahalom> sid, go to the gdm options enable root login, then choose users from system i think, and add ur use to the sudoers (which would be admin function)
[11:55] <bezibaer1hen> a new user doensnt have sudo-permissions per default, thats correct
[11:55] <yahalom> sid, there must be an easier way, but i only solved it like this
[11:55] <fsapo> bezibaer1hen, =] 
[11:55] <yahalom> bezibaer1hen, thanx man
[11:56] <bezibaer1hen> yahalom: what for?
[11:56] <cbruggeman> look aswell in etc/group
[11:56] <cbruggeman> if for the first line you have root:... your acount
[11:56] <yahalom> bezibaer1hen, correcting me
[11:56] <bezibaer1hen> yahalom: never mind :D
[11:57] <bezibaer1hen> jdub: ayt?
[11:57] <sid> i dont have acess to creat another account also
[11:58] <yahalom> sid, as root go to /etc/sudoers
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > hi
[11:58] <simonf> visudo surely
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > does warty's default kernel come with no support for module loading?
[11:59] <fsapo> [Phaedrus] , sure
[11:59] <dead^^> one last question, how to delete folder?
[12:00] <yahalom> sig, add this bob, bunny  ALL=(ALL) ALL where bob and bunny are the different users (so copy this, replace them with ur use)
[12:00] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... i compiled the driver for the sm56 modem and have the sm56.o sitting in the /lib/modules/... directory, but insmod or modprobe doesnt seem to pick it up
[12:00] <yahalom> sid i mean sorry, oh he's gone
[12:00] <[Phaedrus] > any tips on that?
[12:01] <saber_> is there any way to list the packages you've got installed by date?
[12:02] <saber_> dead^^: rm -rf folder
[12:02] <saber_> [Phaedrus] : where did you put the module?
[12:02] <dead^^> thank you. i shall bother you nomore :)
[12:02] <bezibaer1hen> rm -r for the 1st step should be enough ;-9
[12:03] <[Phaedrus] > saber_: /lib/modules/'uname-r'/motorola
[12:05] <saber_> i'm not sure how the structure works, or if anything needs to be updated, but why don't you try putting it in a more standard place
[12:08] <[Phaedrus] > sorry saber_
[12:08] <[Phaedrus] > stupid windows keeps disconnecting me
[12:08] <[Phaedrus] > was there something that you said that i missed?
[12:08] <saber_> why don't you try putting the module in: kernel/drivers/net
[12:09] <[Phaedrus] > i did
[12:09] <[Phaedrus] > it doesnt pick up either
[12:10] <saber_> what's the error that you geT?
[12:10] <[Phaedrus] > cant find file or directory
[12:10] <[Phaedrus] > by the way, what does 'make-kpkg modules' do?
[12:12] <saber_> hmm... i'm not sure what your problem is then. i'd suspsect its a problem with the module
[12:13] <saber_> i don't have that command.
[12:13] <saber_> is this a driver included with the standard kernel?
[12:20] <Drako60> woo only an hour and a half left till i can attempt installing ubuntu, only taken 10 hours so far
[12:22] <kent> Drako60, why have it taken so long time?
[12:22] <Seveas> ...and then you discover a flipped bit in your downloaded iso that renders it unusable :)
[12:22] <saber_> haha
[12:22] <saber_> the first time i installed ubuntu i was so mad
[12:22] <saber_> i thought it was the biggest piece of junk ever
[12:23] <Seveas> rofl
[12:23] <Seveas> flipped bits?
[12:23] <camcorder> is there a problem w/ marillat repositories? I started to get unresolved dependency errors
[12:23] <Seveas> camcorder, yes
[12:23] <camcorder> Seveas: do you know if it'll be fixed soon?
[12:23] <Seveas> since hoary is final now, it is best not to use marillat anymore
[12:23] <Seveas> fixing is impossible :)
[12:23] <saber_> it turns out my cd-rom wasn't working, and i didn't know it because the errors usually ocurred until it warmed up (during installation)
[12:23] <saber_> so it would not install packages
[12:23] <Seveas> camcorder, you can use mplayer from ubuntu universe
[12:23] <camcorder> Seveas: but how can I install mplayer-586 w/o marillat?
[12:23] <saber_> but it would boot up, and be pretty much ok
[12:23] <camcorder> hmm
[12:24] <Seveas> camcorder, remove mplayer and related things completely, remove marillat from the soures.list, run apt-get update and install mplayer from ubuntu universe
[12:24] <Drako60> because my ISP sucks and has me limited to 13.9K down
[12:24] <Seveas> Drako60, *ouch*
[12:25] <Drako60> your telling me Seveas
[12:26] <Drako60> and yes i do say attempt because i don't know how well its going to work with my motherboard
[12:26] <Seveas> nforce?
[12:27] <Drako60> yes
[12:27] <Drako60> amd64
[12:27] <kent> I got two updates from Ubuntu Hoary today (CVS and one other package i forgot the name of). None of them showed a changelog in update-manager. Should that realy be so? I thought update-manager was supposed to show a changelog for every update?
[12:29] <NeWiT1> how can i make a hard link to a folder? i just need the name of the command, as i can't recall it
[12:29] <Seveas> it was cvs and gzip
[12:29] <Seveas> ln
[12:29] <Seveas> but only root can make har links to folders since they are quite unsafe
[12:30] <Drako60> whats the switch to remove a link?
[12:30] <Seveas> you just rm it
[12:30] <Drako60> i can always remember ln -s but never how to unlink it
[12:30] <NeWiT1> k, thks
[12:30] <kent> Seveas, did you see a changelog with update-manager?
[12:30] <Seveas> kent, i only use apt-get for updating, sorry
[12:30] <alotti> alotti@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get source linux-image-2.6.10
[12:30] <alotti> Reading package lists... Done
[12:30] <alotti> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:30] <alotti> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list..............can some one tell me whats do i do next
[12:30] <Seveas> Drako60, rm works on both hard and soft links
[12:31] <Seveas> alotti, in your sources.list file you have lines starting with 'deb'
[12:31] <Seveas> copy those so you have exact duplicates
[12:31] <alotti> ok
[12:31] <Seveas> and in the duplicates change deb to deb-src
[12:32] <NeWiT1>        -d, -F, --directory
[12:32] <NeWiT1>               allow the superuser to attempt to hard link  directories  (note:
[12:32] <NeWiT1>               will  probably  fail  due  to  system restrictions, even for the
[12:32] <NeWiT1>               superuser)
[12:32] <NeWiT1> --> explain why please, and what are these "risks"
[12:32] <alotti> Seveas, i do not know whator where to find lines
[12:32] <NeWiT1> why is hard linking a folder any more dangerous than hard linking a file
[12:33] <Seveas> NeWiT1, since you can hardlink to /
[12:33] <alotti> where can i find my source list
[12:33] <Seveas> which makes recursive commands like chmod -R or ls -R dangerous
[12:33] <Drako60> hmm i think ubuntu is the the first distro i've come across that has mplayer in its repositories
[12:33] <Seveas> alotti, in a terminal you type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:34] <alotti> can i install any apps.from xp like windvd
[12:34] <Seveas> alotti, you can try using them with wine
[12:34] <alotti> wine?
[12:34] <Seveas> look on winehq.org (or .com) for instructioins
[12:34] <NeWiT1> Seveas: ah, then it's dangerous in terms of safety, but not in terms of os integrity right? if it goes wrong, i wont have to format right? :D
[12:35] <Seveas> NeWiT1, it won't harme filesystem integrity
[12:35] <Drako60> hmm i'm curious if there is a dvd player for linux that supports dvd menus
[12:35] <NeWiT1> Seveas: k, thks
[12:35] <Seveas> but if you don't have a VERY good reason to use them, use soft links instead
[12:35] <Seveas> soft links are safer, since recursive commands can recognize them
[12:36] <Seveas> and: hard links don't work across partitions of course :)
[12:36] <Drako60> Seveas have you had any experiance with nforce3 or amd64?
[12:37] <alotti> Seveas , nothing showed in source list so do i type in something
[12:37] <warty> hola
[12:37] <NeWiT1> Seveas: i was about to ask why i wasn't able to create the hard link even with root privileges, but you answered my question: not possible across partitions, thks
[12:38] <Seveas> alotti, that's quite impossible, are you sure you didn't make a typo?
[12:39] <Seveas> Drako60, sorry, not at all
[12:40] <Drako60> does ubuntu use grub?
[12:40] <Seveas> NeWiT1, a soft link is an entry in the inode table that says "hi i am a link to a file with name such-and-so" a hard link is an entry in the inode table that points to a specific piece of data on the disk, so that's why it is impossible
[12:41] <Seveas> Drako60, by default ubuntu uses grub
[12:41] <fsapo> Drako60, yes
[12:41] <Seveas> it is possible to use lilo though
[12:41] <alotti> yes iam sure i type in the exact.then prompt for password then another window poped open label source.list (/ect/apt) - gedit but nothing in box
[12:41] <Seveas> /etc/apt
[12:41] <Seveas> not /ect/apt
[12:41] <Seveas> and sources.list
[12:41] <Seveas> not source.list
[12:42] <alotti> no...thats what the new window indicated in the correct typo
[12:43] <Drako60> tab is your friend at avoiding typos
[12:43] <Seveas> indeed
[12:43] <alotti> but theres nothing in the window but text area were you can type theres nothing stored in my sources.list
[12:43] <kubx> hi
[12:43] <Seveas> alotti, i am quite sure you made a typo
[12:43] <NeWiTa> Seveas: i was trying to create a general folder "downs", which would treat the two disks as one, using hardlinks, but it seems i misunderstood the concept
[12:44] <saber_> how can i reconfigure an original installation after it has been installed?
[12:44] <Seveas> NeWiTa, indeed
[12:44] <alotti> alotti@ubuntu:~$ sudo gedit /ect/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <alotti> Password:
[12:44] <alotti> .......this is what i typed
[12:44] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure packagenamer
[12:44] <Seveas> alotti, it is /etc not /ect
[12:44] <saber_> great
[12:44] <Seveas> as i said before
[12:44] <Seveas> please READ
[12:45] <alotti> ok
[12:45] <Drako60> thats a mistake i make to, ect but once i hit tab and nothing comes up i figure it out
[12:46] <Seveas> :)
[12:46] <Drako60> thats probably my biggest complaint about OpenBSD it doesn't use bash by default, csh and ksh stink
[12:47] <Drako60> and i think its default is sh
[12:47] <jefis> How to format /dev/hda6 to fat32 ?
[12:48] <Seveas> jefis, read the manpage for mkfs
[12:48] <alotti> Seveas, ok your correct.. now
[12:48] <jefis> mkfs.vfat /dev/hda6 ?
[12:49] <Seveas> jefis that should work
[12:51] <forsaker8k6> hi everybody!
[12:51] <forsaker8k6> mmm...ultracrowded..
[12:52] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, just 479 people
[12:52] <Seveas> most of them idle :)
[12:52] <forsaker8k6> :P
[12:52] <Fator_Dee> silence is gold
[12:53] <forsaker8k6> poll: what time is it?
[12:53] <forsaker8k6> where you live obviously...
[12:53] <Drako60> 5am
[12:54] <forsaker8k6> mmm... now i'm starting to understand why this channel is so idled
[12:54] <Seveas> 1pm here
[12:54] <yahalom> so nobody here uses ubuntu to type in more languages than just english?
[12:54] <Seveas> here == Amsterdam, Holland
[12:54] <Seveas> yahalom, there are localized irc channels too
[12:55] <Fator_Dee> yahalom: I type finnish too, and swedish if I have the courage :-p
[12:55] <forsaker8k6> wow... Amsterdam... i've been there last year.
[12:55] <yahalom> Seveas, nobody there
[12:55] <forsaker8k6> and i liked it very much
[12:55] <Seveas> yahalom, well, in #ubuntu-nl there are
[12:55] <Seveas> i have no experience with other channels :)
[12:55] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, Amsterdam is nice
[12:55] <yahalom> Seveas, u have a dutch keyboard layout?
[12:56] <Seveas> yahalom, no, almost no dutch people use dutch layout
[12:56] <yahalom> Seveas, oh right no point :)
[12:56] <Drako60> i need to figure out how to get japanese input working once ubuntu is installed
[12:56] <yahalom> its all the same letters
[12:56] <Fator_Dee> Drako60: I think I saw a howto on the forums
[12:56] <forsaker8k6> Seveas, no point?
[12:57] <Seveas> hm>
[12:57] <Seveas> ?
[12:57] <forsaker8k6> err...
[12:57] <yahalom> anybody here use keyboard layouts?
[12:57] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, u do?
[12:58] <forsaker8k6> emm... sorry do what?
[12:58] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, u only type in english?
[12:58] <Drako60> thanks Fator_Dee i'll have to do a search for it
[12:58] <alotti> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[12:58] <alotti> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[12:58] <alotti> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:58] <alotti> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[12:58] <Drako60> but i'll do that from my computer once ubuntu is installed
[12:59] <forsaker8k6> in this channel of course... in the *real* life i type/write/speak italian :P
[12:59] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, do u type documents in italian?
[12:59] <forsaker8k6> yep :P
[01:00] <forsaker8k6> yahalom, why are you askin'? ^^
[01:01] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, cos i cant get my layouts to switch anymore
[01:01] <forsaker8k6> Oo.. it's terrible.. i know what it means...
[01:02] <forsaker8k6> i'm the only italian on earth who uses the US layout
[01:02] <forsaker8k6> and so i do not have many characters i may need ^^
[01:03] <forsaker8k6> and i always get problems with layout switching Oo
[01:03] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, but i had two layouts and it worked
[01:03] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, u use gnome to switch?
[01:03] <forsaker8k6> yes sure
[01:04] <forsaker8k6> yahalom, there also should be a config file under /etc, but i can't remember its name
[01:04] <yahalom> forsaker8k6, /etx/X11/xorg.conf?
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> yes it his... but it is generally overrided by gnome configuration
[01:06] <forsaker8k6> *it is
[01:06] <rafx> anyone know if there are plans for a netqmail 1.03 package in ubuntu?
[01:06] <yahalom> oh junk, is it possible that xfree doesnt allow several layouts?
[01:06] <forsaker8k6> yahalom, mmm... it sounds strange
[01:08] <saber_> anyone setup egroupware before with postgresql? egroupware says it can't access postgresql. where can i find documentation?
[01:08] <firepol> hi everybody, i wanted to report some bugs, but MALONE seems to be BUGGY itself
[01:09] <saber_> ah i got it. nevermind
[01:11] <forsaker8k6> well... time has come to go studying...
[01:12] <forsaker8k6> bye folks
[01:12] <firepol> hi guys, anyone knows why MALONE is buggy? is it under mantainance, is it buggy since 1 month or what?
[01:14] <hac> Where I can get a gtk frontend for Zsnes?
[01:15] <goldfish> hac: from synaptic
[01:15] <goldfish> i think i saw one in there last night
[01:16] <hac> goldfish: in synaptic there is only the zsnes package
[01:18] <Chameleon22> what group would I need to add a low previlage user to so they can mount mp3 player (that is how can i add my self to a group so i can mount my mp3 player without needing to su or sudo)?
[01:18] <yogui> hi!
[01:18] <yogui> i've a problem to mounting a floppy
[01:18] <yogui> someone could help me ?
[01:19] <Seveas> yogui, are you using nautilus to mount it?
[01:19] <Chameleon22> whats a floppy?
[01:19] <Chameleon22> :p
[01:19] <halo123> ubuntu is bad and the most bad in linux
[01:19] <yogui> seveas: no i'm on console mode
[01:19] <yogui> sorry i'm french ;-)
[01:19] <Seveas> Chameleon22, mp3 players are mounted with pmount, users who want to use that must be in the plugdev group iirc
[01:19] <Chameleon22> -halo123- VERSION mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey ... aaaawwww i am osrry you stuck on windows
[01:20] <halo123> what
[01:20] <goldfish> halo123: Why is ubuntu bad?
[01:20] <Seveas> yogui, have you tried using mtools (if it is a fat-formatted floppy)
[01:20] <halo123> it slow
[01:20] <Seveas> halo123, rofl
[01:20] <halo123> i tested it with vmware
[01:20] <goldfish> halo123: Are you slow?
[01:20] <Amaranth> ...
[01:20] <yogui> seveas : i don't know this
[01:20] <goldfish> halo123: vmware is slow.
[01:20] <Seveas> rofl even more
[01:20] <goldfish> halo123: not ubuntu.
[01:20] <halo123> amaranth is ff
[01:21] <housetier> dont feed the trolls
[01:21] <goldfish> kkkkk
[01:21] <Amaranth> halo123: Windows is slow too then. I tested it with vmware.
[01:21] <Amaranth> I'm what?
[01:21] <Seveas> Amaranth, you are feeding a troll :)
[01:21] <yogui> seveas :ok mdir ;-)
[01:21] <Amaranth> Seveas: I'm bored. :)
[01:21] <halo123> vmware is program
[01:21] <halo123> not like window
[01:21] <yogui> seveas:i ve an end_request: I/O error
[01:21] <Chameleon22> on that note, any one knows of a nice GUI app for iriver mp3 player for linux?
[01:21] <halo123> i think gentoo is wall
[01:22] <goldfish> halo123: Ok, go to #gentoo and tell them.
[01:22] <halo123> u also
[01:22] <Seveas> Chameleon22, gui for what? transferring files to it -> nautilus
[01:22] <halo123> i find u there
[01:22] <goldfish> halo123: ok.
[01:22] <Chameleon22> no, organising play lists etc
[01:22] <Amaranth> halo123: vmware isn't like ubuntu either. One is a program, the other is a linux distro.
[01:23] <Seveas> yogui, odd, are you sure the floppy is formated with a dos filesystem?
[01:23] <halo123> yeah
[01:23] <halo123> yeah
[01:23] <housetier> ok /ignore time
[01:23] <Seveas> indeed
[01:23] <yogui> seveas:yes it's working on winwin
[01:23] <halo123> u think u right
[01:23] <halo123> hei
[01:24] <Seveas> does mount -t msdos work ?
[01:25] <Amaranth> halo123: I think you're uninformed.
[01:25] <halo123> nope
[01:25] <zaheerm> jdub: thumbnail for what? :)
[01:25] <Seveas> Amaranth, s/uninformed/a 12 year old troll/
[01:26] <halo123> i think ubuntu is bad.gentoo is well.
[01:26] <halo123> ha
[01:26] <thechitowncubs> halo123: what is your point?
[01:26] <goldfish> halo123: Tu parlais francais?
[01:26] <Amaranth> halo123: That's fine. Why are you still here then?
[01:27] <jdub> zaheerm: the chelsea thing on your blog
[01:27] <halo123> i want to distroy the ubuntu
[01:27] <halo123> !@#$%
[01:27] <ok023> what makes you all like ubuntu?
[01:27] <ok023> why choose ubuntu?
[01:27] <Amaranth> jdub: You have level 10 access here, right?
[01:27] <zaheerm> jdub: on my blog it shows small
[01:28] <halo123> me and ok023 is twins
[01:28] <halo123> haha
[01:28] <zaheerm> jdub: ok editing my blog entry
[01:28] <jdub> zaheerm: a thumbnail that is actually small in file size :)
[01:28] <Amaranth> ok023: It's fast, up-to-date, and Just Works(tm).
[01:28] <zaheerm> halo123: shut up
[01:28] <halo123> ubuntu will be throw into dustbin
[01:28] <jdub> Amaranth: yes
[01:28] <Fator_Dee> ok023, halo123: of course you are like twins, you even have the same IP
[01:28] <halo123> u also shut up
[01:29] <ok023> really?
[01:29] <Amaranth> jdub: Can you get rid of halo123?
[01:29] <jdub> halo123: this is probably not a useful discussion to have in this channel, please take it elsewhere.
[01:29] <Seveas> ...amd ok023, his clone
[01:29] <zaheerm> halo123: why do u hate ubuntu?
[01:29] <jdub> zaheerm: please don't encourage it
[01:29] <halo123> keep your mouth shout and eat your smelly shit
[01:29] <zaheerm> jdub: just checking if he has sense
[01:30] <halo123> i hate it very much
[01:30] <goldfish> Kline !
[01:30] <halo123> because it too slow
[01:30] <jdub> Amaranth: it's a rare occasion that we have to kick someone
[01:30] <housetier> /ignore
[01:30] <housetier> thats all you need
[01:30] <halo123> @#!%$
[01:30] <Fator_Dee> housetier: but then you don't see them funnay comments
[01:30] <jdub> halo123: take it elsewhere, please
[01:30] <yogui> seveas:when i make a mdir i've and i/o error
[01:31] <halo123> shut up
[01:31] <halo123> haha
[01:31] <housetier> Fator_Dee also it decreases the channel temperature and lets everyone fokus on the more important things
[01:32] <Amaranth> heh, he told jdub to shut up
[01:32] <goldfish> :)
[01:32] <Amaranth> is gnome 2.11.1 out?
[01:33] <yahalom> Amaranth, already?
[01:33] <Amaranth> it should be soon, i think
[01:34] <yahalom> Amaranth, nothing on the site about it
[01:37] <ivoks> hm...
[01:37] <pusling> somebody claims that firefox not is installed as standard in kubuntu 5.04 - can I tell him he is a jerk or ?
[01:37] <pusling> ;)
[01:37] <spaci76> hi @ll
[01:38] <Amaranth>  April 27th 	 GNOME 2.11.1 DevelopmentRelease
[01:38] <Amaranth> hmm
[01:39] <Amaranth> maybe it slipped?
[01:39] <ivoks> hm i can't make-kpkg kernel :(
[01:40] <ivoks> No rule to make target conf_vars
[01:40] <jiyuu0> i've done this "sudo update-rc.d nessusd defaults", but on the next reboot... nessusd doesn't start unless manully start it... any idea how to make it auto start?
[01:45] <cat> Hi all, I'm new ubuntu user with fresh install
[01:45] <cat> a RH refugee
[01:46] <ivoks> :)
[01:46] <cat> I read in the install that root is dissabled by default.
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> cat: it is
[01:46] <ivoks> it is
[01:46] <cat> Is that normal?
[01:46] <ivoks> ?
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> yes
[01:46] <cat> how doyou enable it?
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> just use the command sudo
[01:46] <ivoks> cat sudo passwd root
[01:46] <cat> or should it be left that way?
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> leave it
[01:46] <cat> o
[01:47] <zaheerm> jdub: ok its now thumbnailed :)
[01:47] <ivoks> cat leave it like that
[01:47] <odyssey> can yelp be used to veiw other help documentation other than which it has by default
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> sudo <cmd that should be executed as root>
[01:47] <cat> so if I create a password for root, it will be enabled?
[01:48] <Seveas> yes
[01:48] <Seveas> but you shouldn't need it..
[01:48] <pusling> it is a good idea to enable the root account. (If something goes wrong and you need to go singleusermode)
[01:48] <cat> but, I'm getting the idea that a dissabled root user access is a security feature of some sort?
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> it is...
[01:48] <ivoks> is? not quite
[01:48] <ivoks> same thing
[01:48] <cat> I see...
[01:48] <cat> no
[01:49] <cat> ?
[01:49] <Seveas> cat, it is a security measure, a quite nie one
[01:49] <odyssey> pusling, you can enter single user mode from the boot menu without enabling root
[01:49] <ivoks> it's irrelevant if someone breaks ur root account or admin account
[01:49] <cat> I'm a pretty savy user....
[01:49] <Seveas> pusling, you do not need a root account for SU mode
[01:49] <Licker> wow.... this is a packed lil room
[01:49] <pusling> the disabled root is a useability feature - you only need to remember one password
[01:49] <Seveas> ivoks, that depends on your definition of 'breaking'
[01:49] <Seveas> pusling, so NOT true
[01:50] <Seveas> it really is better security
[01:50] <yogui> seveas:sorry, the next time i check my drive before ask a stupid question ;-)
[01:50] <cat> pusling, that's convenient...
[01:50] <pusling> odyssey, Seveas : if something really breaks and you get the message "Type root password for mantainance" or if you need to go to singleusermode from grup
[01:50] <cat> It appears that it's a simplicity issue more than anything else,
[01:50] <ivoks> fuck... does anyone knows how to build kernel in linux-image deb package?
[01:51] <Seveas> pusling, type <ctrl> d there and run sudo...
[01:51] <cat> probably for ease of use for new user.
[01:51] <cat> I'll just bet that's the main issue.
[01:51] <Seveas> cat, read the RootSudo page on the wiki
[01:51] <cat> And a pretty good idea too.
[01:51] <Seveas> the main idea is security, not convenience
[01:51] <cat> Many MS windows refugees are unable to keep up with passwords.
[01:52] <cat>  Seveas, ok
[01:52] <Jimbob_> Seveas: Well, if that were totally the truth, it would prompt for a real login in single-user mode
[01:52] <cat>  Seveas, what wiki page, where?
[01:52] <Seveas> cat, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:53] <Seveas> Jimbob_, indeed, it should be fixed
[01:53] <Shinjan> hi folks
[01:53] <Seveas> Hi
[01:54] <cat> anyway, I really like what I see so far.
[01:54] <ivoks> cat much better than redhat, belive me
[01:54] <ivoks> cat if nothing, it has deb, not rpm packages ;)
[01:54] <cat> I've never used Debian iether, so I'm probably a bit deprived as a linux user  ;)
[01:54] <yahalom> what is this: Couldn't find rules file (xfree86)?
[01:54] <Mr_Smiley> is there a Ubuntu mirror list anywhere?
[01:55] <Seveas> Mr_Smiley, there is
[01:55] <Mr_Smiley> where can I find it?
[01:55] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[01:55] <Mr_Smiley> I mean for the packages
[01:56] <Seveas> ohhh
[01:56] <Mr_Smiley> :-)
[01:56] <cat> ivoks, I like what I see so far.
[01:56] <Seveas> packages.ubuntulinux.org or packages.ubuntu.com
[01:56] <Mr_Smiley> thankyou
[01:56] <JoshRA> Is there away i can trace an ip from behind a nat home firewall
[01:56] <cat> ANd I've been told many good things about debian / ubuntu by other members in my LUG
[01:57] <cat> I'm pretty active in my LUG and our list.
[01:58] <cat> and I'm fixing up Linux boxes for low income people, that's where this one is going.
[01:58] <wdh> does anyone know what the 'IOWait' in the CPU monitor from the applets is?? is that the time the processor is waiting for memory to be allocated?? i see the IOWait to become nearly 100% when loading a new program, simultaniously, the mp3 playing hapert
[01:58] <cat> I found a recycle yard and got some PCs to work with.
[01:58] <wdh> s/hapert/stops
[01:59] <cat> But will expermient with Ubuntu for while first
[01:59] <Seveas> wdh IOwait means that a process is waiting for some IO (like reading from disk) is finished
[01:59] <Seveas> wdh, enabling dma might solve this
[01:59] <cat> BTW, anyone shop at Lowes?
[01:59] <SiRrUs> hello
[01:59] <cat> (building materials)
[01:59] <wdh> Seveas, how would i check whether dma is enabled?
[01:59] <cat> It appears they use Linux on their computers.
[02:00] <cat> (looks like a linux gui anyway)
[02:00] <Seveas> pusling, from the rootsudo wikipage:
[02:00] <Seveas> #
[02:00] <Seveas> I won't be able to enter single-user mode!
[02:00] <Seveas>     *
[02:00] <Seveas>       The sulogin program in Ubuntu is patched to handle the default case of a locked root password.
[02:00] <cat> Is it?
[02:00] <pusling> hm..
[02:00] <Seveas> wdh, hdparm /dev/hda (or /dev/whateveryourdiskis)
[02:00] <Drako60> is there anyway to do an md5 checksum on the ubuntu isos?
[02:00] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda enables dma
[02:01] <mjr> Drako60, umm, yeah, "md5sum file.iso"
[02:01] <Seveas> Drako60, yes, using md5 :)
[02:01] <cat> Drako60: sure,
[02:01] <wdh> Seveas, it was already on..
[02:01] <pusling> Seveas: how does it handle it_?
[02:01] <mjr> incidentally, nautilus should have an md5 check option for md5sum.txt files
[02:02] <Seveas> pusling, no idea, it doesn't say that, i'll check the patch
[02:02] <Licker> Question.... Can a Linux NOob.. install and use Ubuntu?
[02:02] <pusling> Licker: of course
[02:02] <Seveas> Licker, yes
[02:02] <cat> Oh, I have another question...  I saw in the install that you could return to the install process if needed by issueing command _____-____  ?
[02:02] <wdh> Seveas, thx anyway.. i suspect the memory is the problem.. i loaded far too many applications for the 256 megs of memory i have
[02:02] <Seveas> base-config
[02:03] <Drako60> i need to check the iso i downloaded because nero is saying foreign image type
[02:03] <FlaVouR_> Hi
[02:03] <cat> And I installed from single CD that I'd gotten from, Yea.. base-config .. a magazine
[02:03] <FlaVouR_> stupid question
[02:03] <FlaVouR_> Ubuntu is a south african Distro right?
[02:03] <wdh> FlaVouR_, wrong :P
[02:03] <Seveas> FlaVouR_, it is an international distribution
[02:03] <Seveas> many people from all over the world work on it
[02:04] <FlaVouR_> Seveas ok I get that but who was the brainchild
[02:04] <FlaVouR_> Mark shuttleworth
[02:04] <Seveas> and canonical, the sponsor, is based on the british isle of man
[02:04] <m0rphx> FlaVouR_: the founder Mark Shuttleworth is from SA
[02:04] <Seveas> FlaVouR_, indeed
[02:04] <FlaVouR_> right
[02:04] <cat> Seveas: A lot of people from South Africa too?
[02:04] <FlaVouR_> ok thats all I needed to know
[02:04] <FlaVouR_> thanks
[02:04] <jacquesmerde> hey, i added all repo's, updated package lists, but couldnt find w32codecs. am i just an idiot?
[02:05] <wdh> jacquesmerde, define "all repos"
[02:05] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, w32codecs is only in marillat
[02:05] <wdh> my point exactly :)
[02:06] <odyssey> i take it quanta is the only web development program for ubuntu in main?
[02:06] <Seveas> odyssey, there is vim...
[02:06] <odyssey> or gedit
[02:07] <pusling> odyssey: I don't know where nvu and blue<something> is
[02:08] <wdh> Seveas, any chance the amount of memory causes the IOWait being 100%?
[02:08] <saber_> i'm trying to install horde. it requires "Auth_imap: Required IMAP extension not found." why didn't apt just install it?
[02:08] <Drako60> are the install iso's CD or DVD isos?
[02:08] <wdh> saber_, because you didnt ask it to? :P
[02:08] <pusling> Drako60: cd - 1 cd(!)
[02:08] <saber_> sure i did
[02:09] <wdh> saber_, frankly, i dont know.. probably there are various options.. and as such, apt lets you make the choice
[02:10] <Seveas> pusling, it handles disabled root accounts by simply saying (and allowing) "Press enter for maintenance" instead of "Give root password for maintenance"
[02:10] <wdh> Drako60, apart from size.. there is no difference between a cd or dvd iso.. afaik
[02:10] <Amaranth> saber_: it needs the php imap package, iirc
[02:10] <Amaranth> saber_: file a bug
[02:10] <saber_> ok
[02:10] <Drako60> well this just bites
[02:10] <jacquesmerde> Seveas: oh. havent used ubuntu since the marillat thing. i just want to enable all synaptic repo's, and be able to install a codec which will play either .ram's or .asx's. is there another package i can dload?
[02:10] <Seveas> pusling, apt-get source sysvinit and read src/sulogin.c if you want to know the itti-bitty details
[02:11] <Drako60> 599MBs out of 607MBs and it said it was finished
[02:11] <pusling> Seveas: then it is new in hoary - I had the problem on a warty install
[02:11] <Seveas> pusling, that might very well be the case
[02:12] <Drako60> can you install ubuntu from the live cd?
[02:12] <pusling> perhaps I should check sometime ;)
[02:12] <Seveas> no
[02:12] <Seveas> Dr_Acemaster, they are figuring out a nice way to enablke that
[02:12] <pusling> Drako60: maybe, but it is quite difficult (using debootstrap, chroot and other fancy hardcore tools)
[02:12] <Seveas> i meant Drako60 there of course
[02:13] <Seveas> pusling, that doen't really count since you actually install from the network :)
[02:13] <yogui> in wich file are written the config of network interface ?
[02:13] <jacquesmerde> btw, if i enable all repo's but only install packages from main and restricted, upgrade wont pull in anything from outside main or restricted will it?
[02:13] <Seveas> yogui, /etc/network/interfaces
[02:13] <pusling> jacquesmerde: nope
[02:13] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, indeed
[02:13] <Drako60> well i'm going to try this iso even though its not a complete iso
[02:13] <yogui> seveas:thank you
[02:14] <petrovski> Anyone been able to get gstreamer0.8-faad installed on a fresh Hoary installation?
[02:14] <rafx> anyone know if the install cd and live cd will be combined into a single cd later on?
[02:14] <jacquesmerde> so would someone be able to tell me if there's anything i could apt-get outside of marillat that will let me play either .asx's or .ram's?
[02:14] <odyssey> petrovski, from marrilant?
[02:14] <Seveas> rafx, there are plans on specifying a design for that. (read: it will not be available any time soon)
[02:15] <rafx> thanks
[02:15] <petrovski> tried that one, but it complains about the version of glibc
[02:15] <Seveas> petrovski, try marillat-testing instead of unstable
[02:16] <odyssey> Seveas, your on the ball
[02:16] <petrovski> there is on gstreamer0.8-faad in marillat-testing, only in unstable.
[02:16] <petrovski> on == no
[02:17] <Seveas> petrovski, try to manually download on older deb
[02:17] <marty> anyone got 3D working with a ATI Rage 128 Pro?
[02:17] <petrovski> will do
[02:20] <petrovski> Seveas: that did the trick. Thank you.
[02:21] <chet> it seems ubuntu is eating LOTS of memory
[02:21] <chet> Mem:    516496k total,   511120k used,
[02:21] <chet> Swap:   497972k total,   118644k used
[02:22] <thechitowncubs> chet: linux uses up the as much memory as it can by design
[02:22] <chet> now why would ubuntu need >600mb or ram?
[02:22] <chet> i dont mind when its ram, but i dont like disk grinding for swap?
[02:22] <marty> glxgears gives -> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24
[02:22] <Fator_Dee> chet: linux uses the memory efficiently
[02:22] <fsapo> chet, here azureus is currently using 480MB O_o
[02:23] <Amaranth> that's because the heap sucks
[02:23] <marty> chet: if you have copied lots of data then the buffer cache will chew up ram - so you don't wear out your disk :-)
[02:23] <Amaranth> UUUFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU <--that's the program's heap where F = Free and U = Used
[02:23] <Amaranth> All the RAM is allocated to the app even though it isn't using it
[02:24] <chet> so how to back it down off of swap?
[02:24] <Amaranth> but it won't take up more when you actually need to use it, it'll just fill in the free spots
[02:24] <chet> this puter is old, doesnt like disk swap
[02:24] <Amaranth> heh, that reminds me of what was funny about Win9x
[02:24] <chet> i was nicely using ~350mb a few days ago?
[02:25] <chet> Amaranth, i have NEVER used >300mb in win2k
[02:25] <Amaranth> the part that was caching recently used files in RAM and the part that controlled what went to swap didn't know what the other was doing
[02:25] <Amaranth> so you'd have HD cached stuff being swapped out and ruining the point of a cache
[02:25] <fsapo> chet, you are not using more than it.. its just cache :P
[02:26] <Amaranth> chet: I don't think Windows includes cached files in it's RAM usage
[02:26] <marty> linux will throw out the cache - immediately a program really needs physical ram
[02:26] <chet> its evident from disk usage i am in swap,  biggest program open is beep at 60mb
[02:26] <chet> xchat at 50
[02:27] <chet> how do i back down off this cache usage?
[02:27] <marty> so does any have any idea how to get my ATI Rage to do 3D?
[02:28] <chet> i dont even have firefox open
[02:29] <threat> marty, yeah you read the ubuntu wiki which explains how to do it
[02:30] <marty> threat: thx i'l have a look
[02:30] <chet> so is the only way to get unused mem back is to reboot?
[02:31] <chet> since it is cached even if its not in use?
[02:31] <aeho> If I download xmms skins, where do I put them to get them work?
[02:31] <meng> home/user/./xmms
[02:31] <threat> marty, I have the exact link if your interested  :)
[02:31] <fsapo> aeho, /home/user/./xmms/Skins/
[02:32] <meng> it's a hidden folder
[02:32] <chet> fsapo, do you have any other ideas on this please?
[02:32] <fsapo> chet, nope
[02:32] <bjoern__> hello!
[02:32] <chet> thanks anyhow
[02:32] <Amaranth> fsapo, aeho: That'd be /home/<user>/.xmms/Skins/, wouldn't it?
[02:32] <Fator_Dee> um, wouldn't that be ~/.xmms/ and not ~/./xmms
[02:33] <bjoern__> what can i do for ubuntu?
[02:33] <fsapo> Amaranth, yes.. thats it ;)
[02:33] <Amaranth> bjoern__: What do you mean?
[02:33] <aeho> How I can see hidden folders?
[02:33] <Amaranth> aeho: in nautilus hit Ctrl+H
[02:33] <Fator_Dee> aeho: ctrl+h if you are using nautilus
[02:33] <chet> ls -la ?
[02:34] <bjoern__> i want help the development
[02:35] <threat> chet, that too :)
[02:35] <PastorMark> I have an old PII 400 that I want to convert over to linux after having a problem with Windows ME. (It corrupted and crashed when I updated a security patch from MS) I downloaded the latest Ubuntu Linux both Live CD and Install CD on my laptop. When I place the CD in the machine and reboot the Live CD boots fine but when I try it with the Install CD the machine continues to boot through to...
[02:35] <PastorMark> ...the corrupted Windows ME install.
[02:35] <jacquesmerde> am i missing something, or when you list packages in synaptic can you not see which repo they are from?
[02:35] <Echylo> windows ME is the worst windows ever
[02:35] <Echylo> relatif
[02:36] <Amaranth> jacquesmerde: The ones in main have that little ubuntu symbol.
[02:36] <Fator_Dee> PastorMark: I'd say you have to change the first boot device to cdrom from bios
[02:36] <chet> PastorMark, make sure you are able to boot to cd on that system
[02:36] <threat> Echylo, dont get me started  :)
[02:36] <jacquesmerde> Amaranth: what about the ones in restricted?
[02:36] <fsapo> Echylo, windows ME here is called "Windows MErda" MErda means shit in pt-br
[02:36] <Fator_Dee> pt-br?
[02:36] <harsha_> Fator_Dee : the live cd seems to run ok
[02:36] <chet> yeah, winME leaves much to be desired
[02:36] <Amaranth> jacquesmerde: The package properties or whatever they're called (from the right click menu) show that
[02:36] <fsapo> Fator_Dee, brazilian portuguese hehe
[02:37] <Echylo> hehe
[02:37] <Seveas> PastorMark, did you see some ubuntu stuff before you got sent to windows>
[02:37] <PastorMark> I did change the boot drive to have it look first to the CD-ROM drive. But to no avail.
[02:37] <Echylo> 'Windows ME not for me"
[02:37] <Echylo> mwoehaha <_<
[02:37] <meng> check the md5 sum before burning
[02:37] <fsapo> Echylo, windows NT = Windows: No, thanks.
[02:37] <marty> threat, found it ready to reboot!
[02:37] <Echylo> ;)
[02:37] <meng> could just be a corrupted download
[02:38] <Echylo> #laughwithwindows ;)
[02:38] <Licker> eh.. is Kubuntu  and Ubuntu the same..
[02:38] <Fator_Dee> quite, another has KDE, other Gnome
[02:38] <meng> one had gnome, the other uses KDE
[02:39] <Echylo> kubuntu = kde ;)
[02:39] <Echylo> ubuntu = gnome
[02:39] <meng> all in all mostly the same
[02:39] <kev0r_> no shit sherlock
[02:39] <meng> too bad beagle's not installed by default
[02:39] <Licker> eh... :(  Im to new to Lnux.. dont know the difference..
[02:39] <Seveas> meng, it will be in breezy
[02:39] <Seveas> beagle/mono are active areas of work
[02:39] <meng> 6 mnths to go
[02:40] <meng> that's quite a while
[02:40] <Amaranth> 6 months to go?
[02:40] <Amaranth> we're down to 5
[02:40] <Fator_Dee> wohoo!
[02:40] <Seveas> Licker, KDE and gnome are 2 desktop environments, for newbies to linux i would recommend gnome
[02:40] <PastorMark> Meng, how do I run md5sum before the burn?
[02:40] <meng> 5 is still a while
[02:40] <Licker> can anyone tell meh the diff. between... KDE and Gnome?
[02:40] <Licker> oh ok
[02:40] <Amaranth> Licker: They're exactly opposite.
[02:40] <Licker> thatnx Sev
[02:40] <Fator_Dee> meng: fewer than 6, look at the bright side :-)
[02:40] <Licker> thanx
[02:41] <meng> pastor mark: u could use a md5sum app
[02:41] <Seveas> Gnome = Simple, good looking, it works
[02:41] <Seveas> kde = tweakable
[02:41] <Drako60> KDE is a resource hog, Gnome is not as bad of a resource hog
[02:41] <meng> ur on which os now?
[02:41] <Fator_Dee> Gnome and KDE are not operating systems
[02:41] <hac> Where i can get a good howto for install the DRI?
[02:42] <fsapo> meng, the only one i have here.. ubuntu off course ;p
[02:42] <PastorMark> Running XP using Firefox for the download and EasyCD Creator for the burn.
[02:43] <fsapo> the best thing i did was to unistall windows XP and acustome myself in using JUST linux :)
[02:43] <meng> http://www.matsoftware.it/software/utility/matmd5.php
[02:43] <meng> mat's MD5 checker for windows
[02:44] <Licker> Fsapo... thats what I NEED to do.  :p
[02:44] <Seveas> fsapo, very good
[02:44] <Fator_Dee> Licker: then what are you waiting for :-p
[02:44] <fsapo> Licker, its just some habit man.. in the begging you miss some stuff
[02:44] <Licker> I'm just trying to find a Version I like.. with what I want on it.
[02:45] <meng> PastorMark: got the idea?
[02:45] <fsapo> Licker, but the only things that i dont have a similar one in linux are games.. but i just play ut2k4 and it has a linux version :)
[02:45] <Licker> yea thats what I was going to ask next.. can i play my games I play on win..
[02:45] <Licker> 27 mns left.. :(
[02:45] <Licker> d-loads take to long
[02:45] <Licker> :p
[02:46] <fsapo> Licker, what are you downloading?
[02:46] <Licker> Ubunto
[02:46] <Licker> Ubuntu
[02:46] <Fator_Dee> Licker: you can play quite a lots of games in linux nowadays
[02:46] <Licker> cant spell this morning
[02:46] <fsapo> Licker, nice :) you will not regret installing it
[02:46] <UnreA|L> Hello everybody ;)
[02:47] <Licker> well I got RH9... atm.. and its the ONLY ver. ive tried out. Soo..
[02:47] <fsapo> Fator_Dee, yes it have some games.. like ut2k4, q3, america's army etc
[02:47] <PastorMark> Just downloaded it. I would then run it against the files on the burned CD? I have tried other distributions also and have had the same results. Boot drops through.
[02:47] <Fator_Dee> fsapo: yes, I know :-p
[02:47] <UnreA|L> Why when i trying play MP3 in XMMS player, XMMS stop working and i get kill process ?
[02:47] <Chameleon22> are there any alternative mirrors for the universe, its bloodey slow!
[02:47] <mpq> I need help
[02:48] <Licker> it seems to bukly. THere is everything I dont need on it. lolz.. Alls I want to do on this PC im putting it on is make it a Web/Mail server..
[02:48] <Chameleon22> mpq: seek dr
[02:48] <mpq> what?
[02:48] <Chameleon22> mpq: seek advice of a doctor lol
[02:48] <Licker> lol
[02:48] <Seveas> Licker, for a minimalistic install install ubuntu with the server option
[02:48] <mpq> I finally got the computer to boot
[02:48] <mupe> UnreA|L, have you isntalled libmikmod2 and gstreamer0.8-mad    ?
[02:48] <Seveas> and then install apache and courier|exim|qmail|postfix
[02:48] <Chameleon22> Seveas: you can install ubuntu as a server?!?!?!
[02:48] <mpq> I replaced the mobo on the computer
[02:48] <Licker> so does its server option have EVERYTHING I need.. or will I need more?
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> hi
[02:49] <UnreA|L> i didnt installed this ;)
[02:49] <Seveas> Chameleon22, the server option only installs ubuntu base, not ubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <mpq> I need to backup everything on my windows partition because windows refuses to boot
[02:49] <Seveas> that will give you a minimalist install
[02:49] <mpq> I'm on the live cd
[02:49] <Seveas> from there on you can install what you need
[02:49] <fsapo> Licker, how are we suposed to know what is everything for you? 
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> I added enlightenment.desktop to /usr/share/xsession
[02:49] <Chameleon22> Seveas: ohhhh nice, whats the size of that (in MB)  ?
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> [Desktop Entry] 
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> Encoding=UTF-8
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> Name=Enlightenment
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> Comment=This session logs you into Enlightenment
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> Exec=enlightenment
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> TryExec=enlightenment
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> Type=Application
[02:49] <Seveas> xxxxxxxx, CUT IT OUT
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> but I still cant see the entry in gdm when I am there
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> Seveas: sorry
[02:49] <xxxxxxxx> what can be the reason?
[02:49] <fsapo> xxxxxxxx, dont paste here 
[02:49] <Seveas> Chameleon22, no idea
[02:50] <Chameleon22> Seveas: k, still cool
[02:50] <Licker> eh.. i mean.. does the Server Option have everything you need to run a web/mail server....
[02:50] <mpq> how do I mount an ipod from the live cd?
[02:50] <Seveas> Licker, no, it has only a base system, but services are easily installed
[02:50] <Chameleon22> Licker: just apt apache and exim dude
[02:50] <Drako60> Seveas, 12 hours later, not a bit was switched but 8 megs dropped
[02:50] <mpq> I figured out how to mount the windows partition and I need to back stuff up
[02:51] <Seveas> mpq, can you paste the output of 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' somewhere
[02:51] <mpq> I'm trying to use my ipod as a usb hard drive but I don't know how to mount it
[02:51] <Licker> ohhh..
[02:51] <Seveas> ipods should be mounted when you plug them in iirc
[02:51] <mpq> it didn't
[02:51] <mpq> I'm on the live cd if it matters
[02:52] <Seveas> mpq: type the following commands and paste the output on pastebin.com:
[02:52] <Seveas> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[02:52] <Seveas> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[02:52] <Seveas> pmount /dev/sda1
[02:52] <Seveas> pmount /dev/sda
[02:52] <petemc> its not gonna be hd anything
[02:52] <Licker> one last thing.. does.. it come with a program that will allow users to login to their hosted web acount using a login shell.. or am I going to have to find software for that?
[02:52] <mpq> I already mounted the hard drive
[02:52] <Seveas> petemc, that is for the backing up part
[02:52] <Seveas> ah ok!
[02:52] <petemc> ah
[02:52] <UnreA|L> I install libmikmod2 and gstreamer0.8-mad, but in XMMS when i trying play MP3 stoping working and i get kill process
[02:52] <mpq> I'm trying to mount a usb hard drive so I can back up my data
[02:52] <petemc> mpq: cat /proc/scsi/scsi, look for the "Host: .." part
[02:53] <Seveas> mpq, try pmount /dev/sda
[02:53] <petemc> is its scsi0 , its sda
[02:53] <petemc> s/is/if/
[02:53] <mpq> it's scsi2
[02:53] <petemc> sdc then
[02:54] <mpq> it didn't work
[02:54] <mpq> "fs type jfs not supported by kernel"
[02:54] <petemc> mpq: ahh, you been using it with a mac?
[02:54] <mpq> no
[02:54] <petemc> mmm
[02:55] <mpq> it should be fat32
[02:55] <fsapo> mpq, format it in fat O.o
[02:55] <petemc> ipods suck :)
[02:55] <mpq> petemc: that doesn't help
[02:56] <UnreA|L> I install libmikmod2 and gstreamer0.8-mad, but in XMMS when i trying play MP3 stoping working and i get kill process
[02:56] <petemc> mpq: well im so, so sorry - can you accept my apology
[02:57] <meng41> then if mat-md5 correctly matches both the md5 sum on the md5 file and the program results, then it's correct
[02:58] <UnreA|L> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#azureus from there im instaling azureus and azuerus dont work
[02:58] <UnreA|L> whent i typing in console Azureus
[02:58] <UnreA|L> command not found
[02:58] <tanek> user lower case
[02:58] <tanek> and have jre installed
[02:58] <meng41> PastorMark: redownload the file if both does not match
[02:59] <Seveas> UnreA|L, check your xmms config
[03:00] <Seveas> it should set the output plugin to esd
[03:00] <UnreA|L> where i can find xmms config ?
[03:00] <Seveas> ~/.xmms/
[03:02] <UnreA|L> now i see config
[03:02] <UnreA|L> ?
[03:02] <Licker> is 335kb transfer rate good or bad..
[03:02] <Seveas> UnreA|L, edit ~/.xmms/config, find the line that says output_plugin=something and make sure it says output_plugin=/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libesdout.so
[03:02] <UnreA|L> okey
[03:04] <threat> marty did it work ?
[03:06] <cat> What is an equilivant for chkconfig or system-config-services ?
[03:06] <cat> In other words, how do you monitor / control services in Ubuntu
[03:06] <UnreA|L> very thanks Seveas now it work
[03:07] <mpq> I think I thought of something
[03:07] <mpq> I'm going to try to get on irc on the other computer
[03:07] <mpq> and just dcc everything on to this one
[03:07] <threat> cat, what particular service ?
[03:08] <threat> cat the log files is a good place to start :)  /var/log,  /etc is a good place to find configuration files :)
[03:10] <Drako60> for some reason i have to format this HDD using largefile instead of standard
[03:10] <Seveas> UnreA|L, you should check out beep-media-player too, it's a gtk2 pot of xmms, which means it looks better :)
[03:10] <Seveas> UnreA|L, and you also need to applay this fix to the configfile :)
[03:10] <cat>  threat, say I want to turn on / off or start / stop sshd ?
[03:11] <threat> cat /etc/init.d/
[03:11] <threat> /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[03:11] <threat> /etc/init.d/ssh stop
[03:11] <UnreA|L> ok ;)
[03:11] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/sshd (start|stop|restart)
[03:11] <cat> oh yea...
[03:11] <cat> sorry
[03:11] <threat> Seveas, no its ssh :) not sshd
[03:11] <threat> cat,  :)
[03:11] <threat> cat,  simple enough for you ?
[03:11] <shmoolik> hello were can i find a valid source.list  ?
[03:12] <cat> yes, very good.
[03:12] <cat> thank you
[03:12] <Seveas> shmoolik, in a private message if that is ok with you
[03:12] <shmoolik> Seveas,  yeah sure
[03:12] <threat> shmoolik, apt-setup
[03:12] <threat> (or doesnt Ubuntu have that? :)
[03:13] <Seveas> it has :)
[03:13] <shmoolik> okay i will try it thanks threat
[03:13] <threat> use apt-setup then :)
[03:13] <threat> shmoolik :)
[03:14] <threat> Shaquile, you also want to uncomment the Ubuntu specific sources in the source.list file
[03:14] <threat> as apt-setup may only setup Debian sources (I have NFI :))
[03:14] <Seveas> apt-setup is broken
[03:14] <Seveas> it contains warty stuff :)
[03:14] <threat> nice :)
[03:14] <Shaquile> threat: Humma
[03:14] <Seveas> shmoolik, you'd better use my sources
[03:15] <shmoolik> hummm i m reading a bit ... i got to figure it out ounce and for all
[03:15] <shmoolik> thanks Seveas  :)))
[03:16] <threat> BBL
[03:16] <Drako60> seems nforce3 ethernet is still broke in the ubuntu installer
[03:16] <Chameleon22> can someone help me with wine installation, ran an installer through wine. Program seems to be installed ok. There is a winws dir structure under ~/.wine, etc and when i try to run the app i get a wine window with error mesage: Wine has exited with a failure status of 1., any ideas guys ?
[03:16] <Seveas> Drako60, don't you need binary-only modules for it?
[03:17] <Drako60> there is a generic too Seveas
[03:17] <Seveas> ok
[03:17] <Drako60> but its buggy or my motherboard is not sure which
[03:17] <Drako60> i can get it working once i get into the system though
[03:18] <sbun> Does anyone know of a linux equivalent to Apples Dashboard?
[03:18] <Amaranth> there isn't one
[03:18] <cat> what is the install  / update utility?
[03:18] <Amaranth> cat: synaptic?
[03:19] <Seveas> cat, synaptic for a gui, aptitude or apt-get for console based
[03:19] <Drako60> any way to bypass network setup and skip the net apt repositary check?
[03:19] <odyssey> sbun beagle?
[03:19] <Seveas> odyssey, dashboard is something completely different...
[03:19] <cat>  Seveas, tnx
[03:20] <sbun> but beagle looks quite handy
[03:20] <Drako60> installer hung durring net apt repositary check, setting up apt stuck at 50%
[03:20] <odyssey> http://nat.org/dashboard/
[03:20] <sbun> I've switched from Slackware after far too many years and I thought while I was going for wholesale changing, slack->ubuntu kde->gnome I'd see if there was anything cool I was missing out on
[03:22] <Licker> 95% Weee
[03:28] <UnreA|L> how i can install azplugins_0.8.8.jar
[03:28] <Keizer> Is it possible to stream movies over smb://?
[03:28] <UnreA|L> directory is
[03:29] <Keizer> I want to watch a movie on my file server and MPlayer isn't playing it
[03:29] <Seveas> Keizer, that would not be streaming...
[03:29] <Seveas> Keizer, smb:// is gnome-vfs dtuff, mplayer doesn't know about that iirc
[03:29] <Keizer> I know that
[03:29] <Seveas> try mounting the samba share
[03:29] <UnreA|L> /opt/Azureus/plugins/
[03:30] <Keizer> Seveas, How would I mount it: mount -t smb ?
[03:30] <dataw0lf|w> smbfs
[03:30] <Seveas> sudo smbmount \\\\service\\share /mount/point -o options_you_need
[03:31] <Licker> whats the site for extas you can install..
[03:31] <UnreA|L> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22413
[03:31] <UnreA|L> how install this
[03:31] <UnreA|L> ?
[03:32] <gdh> Hi - am trying to configure a single ubuntu disk image I can use on a few different machines.. how can I get the network-card autodetect to run at startup? (I'm happy to leave Xorg on the 'vesa' driver, and don't care about sound..)
[03:33] <kkathman> good day all !
[03:33] <gdh> kkathman: <wave> :)
[03:33] <kkathman> ola gdh how are you today!!
[03:33] <gdh> kkathman: Am at work and breaking stuff - happy days :)
[03:34] <jon273> what is the password for the default mysql user debian-syst-maint ?
[03:34] <cikilin> hello
[03:34] <Licker> whats the site for extas you can install..
[03:34] <kkathman> gdh well just fix it...or...break some more, if thats your job :)
[03:34] <shmoolik> =\ no metter how i modifay my source list i can aptget update my systhem
[03:34] <shmoolik> i always recive this massage W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:34] <gdh> kkathman: oh wow, getting paid to break stuff that'd be even cooler =)
[03:35] <cikilin> i can't open an archive
[03:35] <shmoolik> aptget update and aptget -f install don't help ... any i deals ?
[03:35] <kkathman> gdh well in software companies they have QA staffs to do just that, or allegedly
[03:35] <Keizer> sudo: smbmount: command not found
[03:36] <cikilin> help
[03:36] <Seveas> shmoolik, apt-get update should help
[03:36] <Seveas> Keizer, apt-get install smbfs
[03:36] <shmoolik> Seveas,  it doesn't =\
[03:36] <shmoolik> i tryed =\
[03:36] <Seveas> shmoolik, what does apt-get update say?
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## repository.
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[03:37] <shmoolik> ## team.
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:37] <Dark3Lite> hehe
[03:37] <Dark3Lite> lol
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:37] <Seveas> shmoolik, CUT IT OUT
[03:37] <tritium_> shmoolik, don't paste so much
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:37] <Seveas> shmoolik, NO PASTING HERE
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:37] <JDigital> I don't think he can stop
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[03:37] <shmoolik> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[03:37] <Dark3Lite> shmoolik stop
[03:37] <shmoolik> sorry
[03:37] <Dark3Lite> omg he's gonna get banned
[03:37] <Dark3Lite> lol
[03:37] <shmoolik> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[03:37] <shmoolik> sorry i wrong command
[03:37] <Fator_Dee> the flood has started, lets build an ark
[03:37] <JDigital> hehe
[03:38] <tritium_> Dark3Lite, no, just a warning
[03:38] <Licker> lolz
[03:38] <Dark3Lite> lol
[03:38] <JDigital> When someone starts pasting, they can't stop it until it's done
[03:38] <JDigital> unless they quit IRC
[03:38] <Trackilizer> hey guys need your help
[03:38] <Trackilizer> well ive never used linux before
[03:38] <Seveas> shmoolik, sounds like a problem on the server
[03:39] <Trackilizer> and im trying the ubuntu livecd
[03:39] <shmoolik> okay thanks :) sorry about the flood there =\
[03:39] <Trackilizer> amazed at how i could connect to the internet without even installing drivres
[03:39] <Licker> thats one of my FAV Linux Features. :p
[03:39] <Seveas> shmoolik, everybody is allowed to make mistakes, but please don;t do it again :)
[03:39] <tanek> has anyone gotten their free cds? i ordered mine like 1 month ago. just wondering
[03:40] <Trackilizer> but how do i save stuff onto my windows FAT32 partition?
[03:40] <Trackilizer> is it possible??
[03:40] <Dark3Lite> for some reason can't get my modem to work..
[03:40] <Seveas> tanek, please be patient, mako is a busy man
[03:40] <Seveas> Trackilizer, it is
[03:40] <tanek> Trackilizer: you need to mount it
[03:40] <Seveas> indeed
[03:40] <Fator_Dee> hmmm, wild stab in the dark
[03:40] <Trackilizer> and how exactly does that work?
[03:40] <Fator_Dee> ?? fat32
[03:40] <Trackilizer> yeah
[03:40] <tanek> Trackilizer: syntax: mount -t vfat /deb/hda(or whatever partition it is) /mount/point
[03:40] <shmoolik> :)
[03:41] <sbun> /dev/hd? not /deb/hd?
[03:41] <Fator_Dee> damn, where's the bot
[03:41] <Seveas> trackilizer, the best way is to make a folder named /data or something with sudo mkdir /data
[03:41] <JDigital> where /mount/point would want to be like /mnt/windows , right?
[03:41] <tanek> sry, type-o
[03:41] <tanek> yeah
[03:41] <Seveas> you can then mout it with sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /data
[03:41] <JDigital> my drives are /mnt/stuff and /mnt/anime :)
[03:41] <Trackilizer> sorry guys i have no idea what your talking aout
[03:41] <Trackilizer> never use linux
[03:41] <Trackilizer> used*
[03:42] <JDigital> it'd be detailed in the ubuntuguide website
[03:42] <tanek> and the letter after hd is a=prim master b=prim slave c=sec master d=sec slave and after that the partition number, if there are several partitions
[03:42] <Licker> you have to type this stuff in your terminal wich is rob in system tools
[03:42] <Licker> prob.
[03:42] <Fator_Dee> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[03:42] <tanek> Trackilizer: read what i said, and look in your /dev directory
[03:43] <tanek> learning by doing beats learning by ready every day ;)
[03:43] <JDigital> he won't know how to lookin his his /dev directory if he has never used linux :)
[03:44] <Fator_Dee> first learn be reading, then practice by doing
[03:44] <Fator_Dee> *be = by
[03:44] <rafx> i prefer messing up by doing and then reading to find out what i did wrong
[03:44] <JDigital> hehe
[03:44] <tanek> JDigital: sure he will, nautilus is easy enough ;)
[03:44] <Licker> lol
[03:44] <tanek> rafx: i do that too, not that i prefer doing it, thats just what happens ;)
[03:45] <JDigital> Hey guys. You know how Linux can't write to NTFS? I'm trying to burn everything from my NTFS partition to some DVDs, so that I can reformat my NTFS partition. However, there's not enough room on any drive to put the temporary disk image to in order to burn things.
[03:45] <Trackilizer> im sorry if im getting on yor nerves but i have no idea what ot do now
[03:45] <rafx> bah! if you didn't really prefer it, you wouldn't do it :)
[03:45] <sbun> JDigital, actually you can write to NTFS
[03:45] <tanek> btw, can anyone send me the file /etc/vmware/locations from vmware 5? seems to be missing in my install :(
[03:45] <Fator_Dee> JDigital: don't use temporary images
[03:45] <JDigital> Trackilizer: The link that Fator_Dee linked should tell you what to do
[03:45] <sbun> you just need the NTFS write sup[port module compiled in and the partition mounted rw
[03:46] <nadav> sbun: but it's unsafe
[03:46] <Trackilizer> okay thanks
[03:46] <sbun> nadav, not that unsafe
[03:46] <Keizer> How can I find out what codecs came with mplayer?
[03:46] <Trackilizer> is there a app that will do all this for me?
[03:46] <sbun> it used to be very unsafe but it's usable now but not for production
[03:46] <nadav> sbun: no? I haven't used it in a couple of years ;)
[03:46] <nadav> Ah, okay.
[03:46] <Fator_Dee> JDigital: I burn my dvd's just by using growisofs from the terminal
[03:46] <Madeye> I have pluged my 2nd hdd to my computer, but my computer still cannot see it, any idea?
[03:46] <JDigital> sbun: I've heard stories of it corrupting NTFS drives
[03:46] <tanek> Trackilizer: no problem ;) if you want to read the basics, just take a look att www.ubuntuguide.org like everyone says. and then read a round at some forums and play with your new system :D
[03:46] <sbun> JDigital, yeah that can happen but isn't that common
[03:46] <UnreA|L> How time Azureus bittorent start download file
[03:46] <sbun> I used it to access a NTFS drive a fair bit three months ago with no problems
[03:47] <JDigital> I'd rather not go to the trouble of recompiling my kernel.
[03:47] <tanek> the ntfs write support only works when you edit files without modifying their size from what i've read
[03:48] <Trackilizer> where do i find my partion after i mount it? mnt?
[03:48] <tanek> the ntfs disc could still get corrupted
[03:48] <JDigital> yeah
[03:48] <tanek> Trackilizer: in the dir you mounted it.
[03:48] <shmoolik> thanks ppl as always i helped me alot :)
[03:48] <tanek> like /mnt/windows
[03:48] <sbun> linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net claim it's completely safe now
[03:48] <jon273> Trackilizer, just type 'mount' to see where all things are mounted
[03:48] <sbun> nope, I went blind and lost the ability to read
[03:49] <sbun> still has the changing filesize ussie
[03:49] <JDigital> "Still read-only, but with safe file overwrite support on all Windows versions without changes to the file size (uncompressed, unencrypted, nonsparse files only)."
[03:50] <sbun> JDigital, sounds like you're limited to my favourite method. Begging, borrowing or stealing an extra hd and using that
[03:50] <greg__> I've just updated to the new hoary Ubuntu. sound was fine, but after I've tried installing RealPlayer and its firefox plugins, sound is kaputt. I get a "Drive error" trying to play a CD, and help?
[03:50] <Trackilizer> WOW IT WORKED
[03:50] <Trackilizer> thank you guys so much
[03:50] <JDigital> np
[03:50] <Trackilizer> thanks alot guys
[03:50] <tanek> ill check that out sbun
[03:50] <Trackilizer> bye
[03:50] <tanek> JDigital: as i thought. that was what i read in xconfig when compiling my last kernel ;)
[03:50] <JDigital> I wonder if my computer will explode if I add another hard drive, hehe
[03:51] <sbun> JDigital, that's where the joys of extra ide cards come in
[03:51] <JDigital> hehe
[03:51] <tanek> SATA! :P
[03:51] <gdh> How do I specify that Thunderbird should open mailto: links in Firefox (I have apt-get removed evolution)
[03:51] <tanek> SATA(n) :P
[03:51] <cyphase> can someone tell me how to set up a redirect in squid?
[03:52] <sbun> SATA is expensive when you're computing system is built from parts rescued from skips
[03:52] <JDigital> heh
[03:52] <cyphase> so if i type in something like www.wordpress.org, it'll point to my server
[03:52] <sbun> that's why I use multiple hd's for a bit of safety
[03:52] <Trackilizer> how come my windows get samaller everytime i change to another dir?
[03:52] <tanek> sbun: yeah, may be, but ide's slow
[03:52] <JDigital> odd
[03:52] <JDigital> no clue.
[03:52] <greg__> any hints on the sound problems?
[03:52] <mcquaid> hello all
[03:52] <anto9us> cyphase, I normally do that by editing the hosts file on my firewall/gateway
[03:52] <sbun> tanek, yeah because I really need killer data access for the demanding task of writing java apps
[03:52] <Trackilizer> can it stay maximized the whole time?
[03:53] <resiak> greg__: Probably sanest if I come over and tinker with it, really, isn't it? :-)
[03:53] <JDigital> heh
[03:53] <greg__> lol yes if you have time
[03:53] <tanek> sbun: yeah, :D but others may need it EVEN MORE! :D
[03:53] <mcquaid> i've installed a few programs and menu entries don't seem to be being created
[03:53] <tritium_> Trackilizer, maybe you'll want to change to browser mode
[03:53] <JDigital> I'm planning on burning all of this to DVD eventually anyway. It's just that I only have ten blank DVDs here, and there's a hundred gigs on this drive, and I've got no free space for the temporary file to burn things
[03:53] <Trackilizer> again how?
[03:53] <mcquaid> is that an issue with the gnome menu or the pkgs don't have proper menu entries set up
[03:53] <resiak> greg__: Give me a couple of minutes.
[03:53] <greg__> resiak: OK
[03:53] <tritium_> Trackilizer, Edit->Preferences->Behavior->"Always open in browser windows"
[03:54] <tanek> and change the pane on the left to tree view ;)
[03:54] <tritium_> mcquaid, the packages don't have proper .desktop files
[03:54] <tanek> has anyone gotten gaim-vv working?
[03:54] <mcquaid> damn, thats annoying, considering gnome's menu is not the most easily editable
[03:55] <Jad> sorry d/c, guys, I just pluged my 2nd hdd, but cant see files in it, however I can see the hdd with qparted... any idea?
[03:55] <resiak> tanek: I've made it build by disabling the -vv stuff :)
[03:55] <tanek> i installed it earlier, but it was just like regular gaim minus my plugins
[03:55] <Trackilizer> i really dont want to sound like an idiot but where is edit?
[03:55] <tanek> resiak: :P
[03:55] <dataw0lf|w> as in, a text editor?
[03:55] <Fator_Dee> Jad: have you mounted it?
[03:55] <tanek> Trackilizer: use gedit under applications ->acessories
[03:55] <tritium_> Trackilizer, open a nautilus windows
[03:55] <tanek> or open with gedit
[03:55] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  would you please guide me, I'm new to linux
[03:56] <mcquaid> also i don't know how this worked on the sid debian side, but once i switched gdm to the graphical login i automagically had an option to set the users picture
[03:56] <tritium_> Trackilizer, the "Edit" I referred to was in the menu bar of a nautilus window
[03:56] <theD3viL> is there exist alsa engine for amaroK
[03:56] <mcquaid> the program is installed, it's called gdmphotosetup
[03:56] <theD3viL> ?
[03:57] <Trackilizer> thanks got it now
[03:57] <Trackilizer> again thanks alot
[03:57] <tritium_> Trackilizer, no problem
[03:57] <Fator_Dee> Jad: is it fat or ntfs?
[03:57] <mcquaid> has anyone tried the gnome-menus package in backports?
[03:58] <mcquaid> just curious how well it's added functinality for editing the menu
[03:58] <tanek> how long does it take to configure fluxbox the first time, it seems cool :P
[03:58] <Jad> Fator_Dee, fat32
[03:59] <Fator_Dee> Jad: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat this is a good howto
[03:59] <Trackilizer> hey gus next prob
[04:00] <mcquaid> if you want fat automounted, just put entries in /etc/fstab
[04:00] <Fator_Dee> Jad: you can rename the mount folder from windows to something else if you like, for example "storage" or "pr0n" :-p
[04:00] <Trackilizer> none of the players seem to be able to play a WMV, AVI or even MP3
[04:00] <JDigital> ah
[04:00] <tritium_> Trackilizer, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:00] <_ufuk_> ananzn amn sikiyim
[04:00] <JDigital> That's because MP3 is a non-open format
[04:00] <mcquaid> btw, i tried this but it didn't work, i tried to change the permissions of /mnt/win_c so that only i had read/write and other users would just have read
[04:00] <bankman> http://fiestamoney.boom.ru
[04:01] <mcquaid> but i guess it tried to actually change the permissions on the fat32 drive, which obviously isn't going to happen
[04:01] <JDigital> you have to install it separately from the rest of ubuntu
[04:01] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  heh thanks
[04:01] <mcquaid> i was going to try unmounting it first and then modify /mnt/win_c permissions, not sure if that'll work though
[04:01] <Licker> hummm.. I D-Loaded Ubuntu... burned the ISO.... then tried to load it on my PC.... It doesnt even try to read the CD just goes right to RH..
[04:01] <mcquaid> Licker, you have to modify your bios and change the boot order
[04:02] <JDigital> you need to set your computer to boot from CD before booting from HD
[04:02] <Licker> but my BIOS is set to check the CD first..... maby the CD burnt wrong.. i dk..
[04:02] <Fator_Dee> Jad: if it seems difficult I can try and guide you in private chat
[04:02] <mcquaid> some bios's flag you to hit a key to boot of cd, some automatically do it
[04:02] <mcquaid> your's didn't say anything about hitting a key to boot cd?
[04:02] <Licker> mine dont..
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> licker. make sure you dont have iso-on-a-cd problem
[04:02] <Licker> Kamp.. how do I check?
[04:02] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  thank you, i'll try the thing from the guide, if its fail I'll pm you :-)
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> licker. open the cd. if it says blahblah386.iso burned the iso
[04:03] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  it works! thank you,
[04:03] <mcquaid> yes you have to ensure you burnt the image, and not just back it up as a data disc
[04:03] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  do I need to mount it manually ? isnt there any way to mount it automaticly on boot ?
[04:04] <mcquaid> Jad, mount what?
[04:04] <Fator_Dee> Jad: did you write the line to the fstab file?
[04:04] <mcquaid> a fat32 drive?
[04:04] <Licker> i put.. Copy CD instead of Data Disk.. and it found the CD Image... humm
[04:04] <mcquaid> Licker, you wanted to use burn iso image
[04:05] <Fator_Dee> Jad: if you wrote the line to the fstab line, it'll mount it at boot
[04:05] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  I have added mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdd2/ -t vfat -o umask=000 , is that correct ?
[04:05] <Fator_Dee> *fstab file
[04:05] <mcquaid> you don't want to use copy cd or data disk
[04:05] <Drako60> alright i'm highly annoyed now
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> licker. if you have 1 file, yu have the iso. if yo have folders and files, you burned the disc properly
[04:05] <Fator_Dee> Jad: yes, that looks correct
[04:05] <DaBlade> Hello
[04:05] <Drako60> why is that when i assign the acpi=off switch it doesn't allow me to use ext3
[04:05] <Jad> Fator_Dee,  sudo mount -a gives fstab line 9 is bad
[04:06] <DaBlade> Does anyone have a /etc/apt/sources.list file I can copy? Mine doesn't work lol
[04:06] <mcquaid> here's a correct fstab entry for fat32
[04:06] <mcquaid> /dev/hda8 /mnt/win_f vfat defaults,exec,umask=000 0 0
[04:07] <Licker> I opend the CD.. It has 3 files and 9 folders
[04:07] <mcquaid> that will mount it with read/write
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> its burned, but may not be bootable
[04:07] <Licker> ohhh...
[04:07] <Jad> ah thank you worked now
[04:07] <Fator_Dee> Jad: ou don't have to put the -t and -o switches to the fstab file
[04:07] <Jad> thank you mcquaid , Fator_Dee
[04:07] <Fator_Dee> *ou = you
[04:07] <mcquaid> np
[04:07] <Licker> how do i make it Bootable.. or is there a command to make it read the cd..
[04:08] <mcquaid> have you ever booted off a cd before?
[04:08] <mcquaid> just making sure your bios boots cd's correctly
[04:08] <sig> Licker: in your bios you need the first "boot device" to be cdrom.
[04:08] <sig> simple
[04:08] <Drako60> is there a ubuntu 64 channel?
[04:08] <Licker> it is and has been
[04:09] <Licker> its the CD not my pc..
[04:09] <sig> did you md5sum the cd after it was burned?
[04:09] <Licker> Mcquaid.. i had Win XP and now RH9 on it.. yes it works....
[04:09] <Licker> sig: say what
[04:09] <sig> md5sum
[04:10] <Licker> whats that
[04:10] <sig> it checks that the image is correct
[04:10] <Licker> how do I get that?
[04:10] <sig> it is on the ubuntu site where you downloaded the .iso from
[04:10] <mcquaid> i'm glad the ubuntu image fits on old 650 cd rw, so few distros do
[04:10] <Licker> got a link?
[04:12] <gdh> Can OpenOffice load/save directly to an SMB share *without* having it mounted with smbfs? i.e. using only GNOME's 'Places -> Connect to Server' ?
[04:12] <sig> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/  <-- see this link Licker
[04:12] <sig> look at the bottom
[04:13] <Licker> Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) Server at us.releases.ubuntu.com Port 80
[04:13] <Licker> o.O
[04:13] <sig> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/MD5SUMS  <--- here
[04:13] <Licker> ohhh
[04:13] <sig> your numbers/letters should match up to the chosen .iso you got
[04:13] <sig> md5sum that cd
[04:14] <Licker> where do I see the # + Lerrers at on my end...
[04:14] <sig> Licker: open a terminal:
[04:15] <Licker> ohh i need to check it in Linux
[04:15] <sig> should look something like this: joe@Laptop:~$ md5sum /media/cdrom
[04:15] <Licker> i was on my win pc
[04:15] <Licker> :p
[04:17] <Licker> eh.. what command do i put in my term to show the md5sum of my CD>?
[04:17] <mupe> I have a problem: sounds work only in gnome, not in fluxbox or xfce
[04:17] <sig> md5sum /media/cdrom
[04:17] <yahalom> mupe, alsa?
[04:17] <yahalom> mupe, u use alsa?
[04:17] <sig> where /media/cdrom is your device
[04:18] <mupe> im not sure... haven't tweaked this much
[04:18] <yahalom> mupe, go to synaptic and search for xfce and see what sound options u have installed, there is an alsa one and an esd one i think
[04:18] <sig> Licker: joe@Laptop:~$ md5sum /dev/cdrom
[04:19] <theD3viL> how i can set the rights ?
[04:19] <mupe> should use alsa?
[04:19] <yahalom> mupe, i'm assuming that ur sound is set to what u dont use, so if u have alsa try the other one, etc. get what i mean?
[04:20] <mupe> yahalom, I'll try
[04:20] <yahalom> mupe, also try #xfce
[04:21] <cat> I saw something about adding to repositories earlier.... ?
[04:21] <sig> cat: yes, thats on ubuntuguide.org
[04:21] <sig> has a good howto on adding extra repo's
[04:21] <cat> For added capabilities of more packages
[04:22] <mcquaid> sig, you can very easily add repos. it synaptic itself
[04:22] <sig> yes
[04:23] <sig> but cutting and pasting from the ubuntuguide.org can't get any easier
[04:23] <sig> :)
[04:23] <mcquaid> i dont know if it's still in the ubuntu guide but i wouldn't add the marilat sources
[04:23] <mcquaid> esp not how people add marilat's stable unstable and testing
[04:23] <sig> mcquaid: it is
[04:23] <mcquaid> that just doesn't make sense, if anything just add sid
[04:24] <tritium_> mcquaid, for hoary, you want marillat testing
[04:24] <sig> why add "unstable" period?
[04:24] <mcquaid> marilat compiles mplayer and stuff for all 3, there is no reason to have all 3
[04:24] <sig> thats where people run into major problems
[04:24] <thully> I wonder - are any of the Ubuntu backports people looking into packaging the stuff from marillat?  A bunch of stuff there now depends on a new glibc not in Hoary...
[04:24] <sig> your better off to keep your system stable
[04:24] <mcquaid> why would you want testing, when haory is a snapshot of sid?
[04:24] <sig> I wouldn't put marillat's shit on my computer
[04:24] <sig> he breaks packages... good ones too
[04:24] <mcquaid> yes just add restricted and backports if you want nothing else
[04:25] <cat>  macquaid, yes, I see there are several repositories listed that can be checked in the synaptic repository menu.
[04:25] <tritium_> mcquaid, because hoary is not tracking sid any longer
[04:25] <sig> for example "mplayer"
[04:25] <sig> :)
[04:25] <Invisible> hi all :)
[04:25] <cat> I guess one could just check 'em all?
[04:25] <thully> marillat is necessary to rip MP3s in some programs, and also to use AACs
[04:26] <mcquaid> well, i believe restricted is attempting to mirror completely what marillat has
[04:26] <thully> I need gstreamer0.8-lame+gstreamer0.8-faad from there (but they are currently depending on a new glibc, so you actually have to search the FTP for those)
[04:26] <sig> thully: grab it from elsewhere
[04:26] <mcquaid> no don't do that
[04:27] <thully> no - gstreamer-(faad,lame,faac) plugins and the infamous DeCSS can't be found in Ubuntu repos.
[04:27] <mcquaid> well, i think that's just asking debian to break grabbing debs from ftps etc
[04:27] <sig> dude
[04:28] <thully> I use it to play music from iTunes in Rhythmbox and transfer AACs to my iPod
[04:29] <Licker> humm.. Linux cant read that CD..... did it mess it up by burning it in a WIN environment?
[04:29] <sig> gtkpod
[04:29] <thully> Oh yeah - one other thing found in marillat which can't be found elsewhere is gtkpod built with AAC support...
[04:29] <sig> thully: http://gtkpod.sourceforge.net/
[04:29] <mcquaid> well, i'd wait for those then to be added to restricted
[04:29] <sig> marillat's shit sucks
[04:29] <thully> yes - that requires compiling from source - even dirtier than using marillat...
[04:30] <mcquaid> marillat's stuff is fine, i use it all in debian sid, i just wouldn't use it in ubuntu
[04:30] <sig> no
[04:30] <sig> hah
[04:30] <Madeye> guys, my system freez up  randomly, how can I detect what causing this problem
[04:30] <sig> Madeye: what kernel are you using?
[04:31] <sig> uname -a
[04:31] <Madeye> sig, Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:31] <simonf> Madeye: run memtest86
[04:31] <simonf> +overnight
[04:32] <Madeye> simonf, how long does it take?
[04:32] <simonf> all night fewl
[04:32] <simonf> to do a thorough check
[04:32] <Madeye> simonf, ah, ok, isnt there any logs can help before running that  memtest86
[04:32] <simonf> but if your ram's really fucked, it'll show you quickly
[04:32] <janisx> shortcut like CTRL+C does work with greek language. How can I fixed
[04:32] <sig> thully: there is a package of gsteamer other than marillat's
[04:32] <sig> so don't tell me that crap
[04:33] <thully> sig: where - I'm referring to gstreamer 0.8.8 lame,faac,and faad in particular
[04:33] <Madeye> simonf,  its still  5pm here, so is there any trouble shooting before running memory test ?
[04:34] <simonf> Madeye: check your logs for anything odd, kernel warnings/errors etc
[04:34] <sig> libgstreamer0.8-0
[04:34] <sig> Core GStreamer libraries, plugins, and utilities
[04:35] <Madeye> simonf,  in /var/log/ ?
[04:35] <simonf> yep
[04:35] <tritium_> mcquaid, they're not going to be added to restricted
[04:35] <simonf> Madeye: what are you doing to trigger the lockups?
[04:35] <Fator_Dee> Madeye: when your 'puter freezes up, does your mouse cursor still move?
[04:36] <sig> coffee time
[04:36] <Madeye> Fator_Dee,  no, not even keyboard,
[04:36] <tritium_> mcquaid, see here for a description of what goes in "restricted" component: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[04:37] <Madeye> simonf, randomly there is no specific actions that cause the lockup, it happens while browsing, gimping, video et...
[04:37] <simonf> Madeye: oh, how's your cooling? could it be getting too hot?
[04:37] <Fator_Dee> I had that kind of problem too, and it was because of the buggy nvidia drivers
[04:38] <mcquaid> tritium, ok i thought it was restriced, i remember reading on the ubuntu forums, that one of them was ultimately going to mirror marillats
[04:38] <Madeye> simonf,  I have 2.6 CPU with FAN for 3gig cpu + extra fan pluged both working properly, getting about 2445 RPM for the CPU fan, and CPU temp about 78C
[04:39] <simonf> 78!
[04:39] <Fator_Dee> 78, isn't that a bit high
[04:39] <simonf> yes :)
[04:39] <simonf> veyr high
[04:39] <Madeye> high?
[04:39] <sig> farenheit?
[04:39] <Madeye> C
[04:39] <sig> or celcius?
[04:39] <Amaranth> that's huge if it celcius
[04:39] <Amaranth> that's fry and fscking egg hot
[04:39] <Madeye> celcius
[04:39] <simonf> hehe
[04:39] <Amaranth> s/and/a/
[04:39] <sig> damn
[04:39] <anto9us> I've installed the binary fglrx drivers for xorg but the log shows that Xorg.0.log shows the driver needs XFreee86, anyone know what's wrong?
[04:39] <Soy> 78C is big-ass hot, even for a very very hot running chip
[04:39] <Amaranth> that's dead CPU in days hot
[04:39] <sig> anto9us: do this
[04:39] <sig> lsmod
[04:39] <simonf> Madeye: i'd say that's your problem, if that number's right
[04:40] <seraphiel> does anybody know where I can find deb packages for e17?
[04:40] <sig> radeon                 77056  1
[04:40] <Madeye> simonf,  its right, that was on my last boot, How to check the current temp ?
[04:40] <sig> drm                    65172  2 radeon
[04:40] <Soy> I've installed the gstreamer-0.8-mad package to play MP3s, still not getting any joy from it though - playing an audio CD does work though, any ideas?
[04:40] <sig> ati_agp                 8364  1
[04:40] <sig> agpgart                33608  2 drm,ati_agp
[04:41] <Madeye> sig,  is there any way to get the current CPU temp?
[04:41] <sig> Madeye: if your cpu hs sensors
[04:41] <orhs> hey all
[04:41] <sig> if not no
[04:41] <ivoks> ok
[04:41] <ivoks> new kernelcompile howto
[04:41] <ivoks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[04:42] <ivoks> check it out and find mistakes...
[04:42] <orhs> iam haveing problems with my WLan card
[04:42] <Madeye> sig,  my cpu has sensors, but I only can see it at boot time, how to see it while working on the system
[04:42] <anto9us> sig: no entry for radeon, drm, ati_agp ; agpgart 31784  2 intel_mch_agp,intel_agp
[04:42] <ivoks> orhs what card do u have?
[04:42] <sig> Madeye: search apt-cache for sensors
[04:42] <sig> or synaptic
[04:43] <sig> anto9us: I'm sorry, what card are you using?
[04:43] <orhs> BCM4306
[04:43] <mcquaid> tritium, isn't one of the reps ultimately going to mirror marillat?
[04:43] <anto9us> Radeon Mobility 9600 m10 with 128MB
[04:43] <mcquaid> i thought i read that on the forums, just can't seem to find it right now
[04:43] <thully> mcquaid: by mirror, do you mean as an exact copy, or as backports to Hoary?
[04:43] <sig> anto9us: xorg is what you need and want
[04:43] <sig> support should be in for that card
[04:43] <anto9us> sig, I have that installed
[04:43] <Madeye> sig,  installing xsensor
[04:44] <sig> anto9us: run glxinfo
[04:44] <sig> find this line: direct rendering: Yes
[04:44] <tritium_> mcquaid, no, i don't think so...
[04:44] <thully> where would I request packages for Breezy's universe/multiverse?  It would be nice to have all the gstreamer plugins and have AAC support in gtkpod without having to use source or third-party repos
[04:44] <sig> should be at the top of the output Madeye
[04:44] <orhs> but when i type Lspci the program finds it
[04:45] <anto9us> sig, screen full of data, direct rendering: No
[04:45] <mcquaid> well, that's disappointing
[04:45] <Drako60> i need to find someone who is running and AMD64 with nforce3
[04:45] <mousematt> anyone else here running hoary on an R51?
[04:45] <sig> anto9us: then your accelleration (3D) isn't enabled
[04:45] <sig> one sec
[04:46] <orhs> i have a HP pavilion laptop. it got this button for turning the Wlan card on and off but it dont work in ubuntu...
[04:46] <Fish-Face> Is it me or is gedit _really_ sluggish?
[04:46] <ivoks> orhs u need ndiswrapper
[04:47] <sig> anto9us: since you install that have you restarted x?
[04:47] <sig> Fish-Face: gedit works here fast
[04:47] <anto9us> sig: yes, several boots since I installed
[04:47] <sig> you want a fast slick editor try "mcedit" out of the package "mc"
[04:47] <tritium_> thully, that can't really happen, due to licensing issues
[04:47] <sig> anto9us: hmm
[04:47] <orhs> Ivoks: but the lspci finds my card
[04:47] <mcquaid> tritium, for ex, when i search for the w32codecs, they are from backports, although it say marillat is the maintainer
[04:47] <sig> what does the xorg.conf say?
[04:47] <mcquaid> isn't backports trying to mirror most/all of them?
[04:47] <ivoks> orhs so what?
[04:48] <ivoks> orhs lcpsi just reads vendor and product ID
[04:48] <Fish-Face> sig, Hmm... something's up, then. Whenever I switch tabs there's a big lag. Same with gnome-terminal
[04:48] <ivoks> orhs it doesn't provide driver
[04:48] <tritium_> mcquaid, I never ever use backports
[04:48] <thully> tritium_: packages using these formats (lame, faad, faac) are alteady in Hoary's multiverse - just not their gstreamer plugins
[04:48] <orhs> i see
[04:48] <sig> ection "Device"
[04:48] <sig> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 330M/340M/350M (RS200 IGP)"
[04:48] <sig> 	Driver		"ati"
[04:48] <sig> 	BusID		"PCI:1:5:0"
[04:48] <orhs> (new to linux...)
[04:48] <ivoks> orhs well...
[04:48] <mcquaid> ah, well i think i read backports is trying to mirror marillats
[04:48] <sig> anto9us: does it say your using the "ati" driver?
[04:48] <thully> I don't see how there could be licensing issues with the gstreamer plugins and not the base libraries
[04:48] <root_> exit
[04:48] <Madeye> what is the avarage CPU temp should be ?
[04:48] <ivoks> orhs based on vendorid and productid windows knows what driver it needs :)
[04:49] <anto9us> sig, no, it says fglrx
[04:49] <ivoks> orhs sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-source
[04:49] <sig> anto9us: put "ati" in there
[04:49] <sig> see what it does
[04:49] <sig> might be worth a shot
[04:49] <sig> doesn't ati have support/drivers for that card in linux?
[04:50] <bloomberg> Hello. I'm getting a "Drive error" when trying to play a CD in gnome-cd. any help?
[04:50] <Fish-Face> sig, Hang on, looks like it's the theme
[04:50] <orhs> ivoks could you provide me with a url to download Ndis??
[04:50] <sig> Fish-Face: hmm
[04:50] <ivoks> orhs http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php
[04:50] <Fish-Face> sig, can you try using Yattacier as your controls theme?
[04:50] <ivoks> uh
[04:51] <sig> http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/777/  <--- I like this theme Fish-Face
[04:51] <Fish-Face> AAAAH!
[04:51] <orhs> and iam wondering one thing... how do i compile something i have downloaded?? i can easy manage themes  but i dont know how to compile a program so that i can run it...
[04:52] <sig> orhs: like what?
[04:52] <ivoks> orhs is it in .tar.gz/bz2 format?
[04:53] <orhs> yes
[04:53] <ivoks> tar is archive
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> a tape archive
[04:53] <ivoks> bz2 and gz are commpressed files
[04:53] <Fish-Face> On an unrelated note, I'm looking for the best media player possible
[04:53] <JDigital> mplayer
[04:53] <sig> mplayer
[04:53] <ivoks> so u need decompress and dearchive that file
[04:53] <sig> johnvansickle.com
[04:53] <Fish-Face> I've tried Rhythmbox and XMMS
[04:53] <ivoks> orhs u can use file roller in gnome or tar xvfz/j in console
[04:53] <mcquaid> orhs, basically uncompress, 99% os software you run ./configure then make, then make install as root
[04:53] <mousematt> vlc
[04:53] <bluefoxicy> we need a better media environment.
[04:53] <Fish-Face> And I've looked at Zinf
[04:54] <sig> http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer
[04:54] <ivoks> orhs tar xvfz for .gz and tar xvfj for .bz2
[04:54] <Nermal> just a thought....
[04:54] <mcquaid> each time ./configure complains you get the needed dev package from synaptic to compile it
[04:54] <Nermal> now that we've had "hoary hedgehog", can we please have "slutty snail" after breezy badger?
[04:54] <mcquaid> rerun ./configure til it stops complaining
[04:54] <orhs> thank you ivoks
[04:54] <sig> Nermal: LMAO
[04:54] <ivoks> np
[04:54] <JDigital> hehe
[04:54] <seraphiel> how do I detect and remove packages? can I do it thorugh synaptic?
[04:54] <sig> "peddo bear"
[04:54] <sig> lol
[04:55] <sig> ubuntu does pic some pretty lame ass release names
[04:55] <sig> lol
[04:55] <mcquaid> mind you, i never liked doing that, i always wanted to make the compiled software into a deb before install
[04:55] <ivoks> mcquaid me too... check checkinstall
[04:55] <Fish-Face> Why the hell does mplayer depend on XMMS?
[04:55] <ivoks> mcquaid creats quick and dirty debs
[04:56] <sig> shouldn't Fish-Face
[04:56] <sig> apt-get -t install mplayer-686
[04:56] <Fish-Face> sig, synaptic wants to install it :S
[04:56] <ivoks> sig?
[04:56] <ivoks> sig -t what?
[04:56] <sig> apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-386
[04:56] <ivoks> sig that's right :)
[04:56] <mcquaid> ya i've used that in the past, but it failed on me too many times
[04:57] <mcquaid> gave up on it
[04:57] <Fish-Face> sig, is the -t hoary necessary?
[04:57] <sig> Fish-Face: yes
[04:57] <sig> for mplayer
[04:57] <mcquaid> always meant to read on how to properly create a deb, just never got around to it
[04:57] <ivoks> Fish-Face yes and no, depending on ur sources.list
[04:57] <Fish-Face> ivoks, depending on what, precisely?
[04:57] <ivoks> Fish-Face so, to be sure, put that -t
[04:57] <Fish-Face> (hehe... I love that cow)
[04:58] <anto9us> sig: No difference
[04:58] <ivoks> Fish-Face if u have couple of sources of mplayer (ubuntu, sarge, nerim) then with -t u decide witch one u want
[04:58] <sig> has anyone seen the peddo bear pics on 4chan.org ?
[04:58] <sig> lol
[04:58] <sig> funny as hell
[04:58] <Fish-Face> ivoks, hmm... I believe I have hoary-updates
[04:59] <mcquaid> i want to inform maintainers of some packages that they are not creating .desktop entries for certain packages
[04:59] <ivoks> Fish-Face put -t hoary and u'll be fine
[04:59] <mcquaid> but it doesn't look like the maintainer info can be trusted
[04:59] <ivoks> mcquaid are they in main?
[04:59] <j23tom> Is there gui app to manage /etc/fstab in Ubuntu ?
[04:59] <mcquaid> it's not being updated sometimes
[04:59] <mcquaid> no
[04:59] <j23tom> :(
[04:59] <ivoks> mcquaid universe and multiverse packages are up to u to fix
[04:59] <Zen> sup all.. im trying to install qtella but when i type ./configure i get lots of strange errors... if you want to pm me for the actual errors as i dont want to clutter up the main window.. but id like some help please =).
[05:00] <mcquaid> eh? can't agree with that
[05:00] <Fish-Face> sig, apt-getting still is going to install xmms
[05:00] <ivoks> mcquaid well... that's the way it is...
[05:00] <mcquaid> don't you think the individual who actually makes the packages would want to know?
[05:00] <ivoks> mcquaid that packages don't have maintainer...
[05:00] <ivoks> mcquaid there isn't anyone like that :)
[05:00] <anethema> hey guys im having real troubles with the ati driver in hoary here.. (i just switched from slack)
[05:00] <zxc> anyone know a decent (preferably small) live disk which I can resize my partitions with?
[05:00] <mcquaid> well someone recompiled them for ubuntu from deb sources no?
[05:01] <anethema> followed instructions here: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <Zen> anybody got any ideas?
[05:01] <ivoks> mcquaid yep, someone like u :)
[05:01] <bloomberg> any thoughts on gnome-cd?
[05:01] <anethema> buut, cant get it to use the ati card as 3d
[05:01] <anethema> fglrx
[05:01] <Zen> =(
[05:01] <anethema> glxinfo keeps showing mesa and glxgears is slowww
[05:01] <anethema> no 3d accel :(
[05:01] <ivoks> ah...
[05:01] <anethema> i changed "ati" to "fglrx" in the xorg.conf
[05:02] <ivoks> i'm out of here
[05:02] <mcquaid> what can anyone become a maintainer of packages?
[05:02] <mousematt> zxc: try the mandrake 2005 "netboot" install iso
[05:02] <anethema> anyone ?
[05:02] <anto9us> I have the same problem anethema
[05:02] <Zen> ive already done tar xzf <filename> and i just need a bit of help
[05:03] <anethema> anto9us: im still looking for a solution :(
[05:03] <Paradosso> vim or emacs?
[05:03] <anto9us> anethema: how long have you been trying to solve it?
[05:03] <tritium_> mcquaid, the MOTUs fix universe packages.  ivoks was mistaken
[05:03] <anethema> about an hour
[05:03] <j23tom> i've used fglrx driver tool (don't remember name) to generate xorg.conf
[05:03] <j23tom> it works fine for me
[05:03] <bloomberg> "Drive error" in gnome-cd, despite Totem playing *.ogg's fine, any help?
[05:03] <anethema> well, thats one thing i havent done
[05:03] <theD3viL> me too.
[05:03] <Zen> anyone?
[05:04] <mcquaid> ok thank you, so who do i inform if i can't trust the maintainer info?
[05:04] <anethema> just followed the instructions at http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:04] <anto9us> j23tom: do you use xorg or xfree86?
[05:04] <j23tom> xorg
[05:04] <anethema> xorg if he uses ubuntu
[05:04] <anethema> hehe
[05:04] <Fish-Face> Damn... mplayer looks ugly
[05:04] <Zen> anyone please?
[05:04] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, install xine-qi
[05:04] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, install xine-ui
[05:05] <Nermal> Zen, why are you installing from source ?
[05:05] <Fish-Face> Hmm
[05:05] <mcquaid> i don't want to necessarily file bugs, when they'll be ignored when pkgs are from universe
[05:05] <Nermal> you probably need a lot of development libs installed
[05:05] <Nermal> see which libs configure wants and install them
[05:05] <tritium_> mcquaid, if it's in universe, either tell one of the MOTUs, or file a bug on malone
[05:05] <anto9us> fglxrconfig only generates a XF86Config-4 file
[05:06] <mcquaid> whats malone?
[05:06] <thully> hi - how do you get MPlayer to play content off the web?  I recently installed it and totem popped up when I played a Real stream
[05:06] <anethema> anto9us: it worked for xorg in slack
[05:06] <anethema> im gonna try it now
[05:06] <Nermal> thully, mplayerplug-in
[05:07] <Nermal> or I think it's called mozilla-mplayer in apt
[05:07] <thully> will totem or mplayer be the one to play realplayer content?
[05:07] <bloomberg> no-one got any ideas about gnome-cd?
[05:07] <j23tom> Only keyboard section must be from oryginal xorg.conf file (in ubuntu)
[05:07] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, nothing changed... The fonts in the menus have no AA
[05:07] <anethema> ubuntuguide tells you how to install mplayer and the mozilla plugin
[05:08] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, xine-ui is other program for video files
[05:08] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, oh... well... I guess it shan't help
[05:08] <Fish-Face> mplayer was actually suggested as an audio player
[05:08] <Fish-Face> Which is what I'm looking for
[05:09] <anethema> ok brb trying this shit out
[05:09] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, why r u using mplayer at all ?
[05:09] <mcquaid> don't use mplayer as an audio player
[05:09] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, it was suggested
[05:09] <Fish-Face> mcquaid, see above
[05:09] <kkathman> back from my meeting :)
[05:10] <thully> so - do you think totem is being used for audio and mplayer for video - since with mplayer and the plugin installed, real streams are played with totem
[05:10] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, which program do you using for music etc?
[05:10] <Madeye> sig, , I have just unpluged my cpu, and touch it, it was cold damn cold, and just turn on my computer again and CPU temp was about 89C
[05:10] <Madeye> what could be the problem
[05:10] <Nermal> in bios ?
[05:10] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, I have been using Rhythmbox, and before that XMMS
[05:11] <Nermal> heatsink not correctly seated ? fan not going round? running gentoo ?
[05:11] <Fish-Face> Rhythmbox's playlist support isn't as nice as XMMS'
[05:11] <mcquaid> rhythmbox's palylist isn't as nice as xmms???
[05:12] <Nermal> well.. it's different
[05:12] <mcquaid> xmms is just one long dumb list
[05:12] <thully> rhythmbox=like iTunes xmms=like winamp
[05:12] <Nermal> mcquaid, which is how I like it
[05:12] <Fish-Face> Yeah... In XMMS, you can just select a load of songs you want to play. In Rhythmbox, the process is more involved
[05:12] <mcquaid> use beep media player instead in gnome2
[05:12] <mcquaid> beep is a clone of xmms using gtk2
[05:12] <Fish-Face> I don't create a playlist to keep... Just for my mood
[05:12] <mcquaid> and there is a plugin so you can search your list
[05:13] <seraphiel> when I try to install packages with apt-get, I get "E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header". what can I do?
[05:13] <mcquaid> don't think the plugin is in ubuntu though
[05:13] <Fish-Face> Hmm... I'll try it... But still, I'd like something as mainstream as possible
[05:13] <mcquaid> it jsut adds a little search field to beep, xmms has the plugin as well
[05:13] <mcquaid> beep is pretty much an exact clone of xmms, but you wont have ugly fonts etc
[05:14] <mcquaid> even supports the same skins
[05:14] <mcquaid> xmms and beep can use winamp skins
[05:14] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, why dont you using amaroK?
[05:14] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, KDE?
[05:14] <Fish-Face> Or isn't it?
[05:15] <Japsu_> Fish-Face: it is
[05:15] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, oh yeah i forget i am on ubuntu not kubuntu chan
[05:15] <Zen> lo all.. right, i just got an error that reads: checking for Qt moc...
[05:15] <theD3viL> :)
[05:15] <Zen> Qt's moc not found! If you have installed Qt in an
[05:15] <Zen> unusual place, please use the "--with-qt-moc=" option
[05:15] <Zen>   any idea how to solve this.. im not very good =(
[05:15] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, :) I'm a stolid GNOMEite
[05:16] <Fish-Face> I'd rather not install QT et al if at all possible
[05:16] <mcquaid> then use beep instead of xmms
[05:16] <Zen> yeah?
[05:16] <Zen> so maby just give up?
[05:16] <mcquaid> if u like xmms you'll like beep
[05:16] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, you think gnome is better to KDE ?
[05:16] <Fish-Face> theD3viL, I don't know about that - But I do prefer GNOME
[05:17] <Zen> FishFace: So maby just dont do that then?
[05:17] <theD3viL> Fish-Face, why ?
[05:17] <mcquaid> i think both have their merits, but one i'm in one i try to stay with native apps for consistant look n feel
[05:17] <mcquaid> but when...
[05:17] <Fish-Face> I haven't actually done a detailed study of KDE, but GNOME's what I'm comfortable with
[05:17] <theD3viL> i think gnome is faster and very good, but kde look better
[05:17] <Zen> FishFace.. Well?
[05:17] <mcquaid> they both have good points and bad points, i'm not a fanboy of either
[05:18] <mcquaid> can't agree there, gnome looks way better to me
[05:18] <mcquaid> much better themes on the gnome side imo
[05:18] <theD3viL> mcquaid, so you using gnome?
[05:18] <mcquaid> yep currently
[05:18] <theD3viL> screenshot?
[05:18] <theD3viL> pls :)
[05:18] <Fish-Face> I haven't looked at all the KDE themes... But there are some _sweet_ gnome ones
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> theD3viL: GNOME has strict human interface guidelines and has reinvented itself to be easier and more user firendly
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> friendly
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> but yes, you can also change themes
[05:19] <Janux> does anyone have a Athlon/Duron here?
[05:19] <mcquaid> i havne't tweaked ubuntu at all yet, i'd have to give you a screen of my debian install to show off themes/look etc
[05:19] <Zen> i ahve a duron
[05:19] <Fish-Face> Janux, uh... I was going to say yes, but it's a Barton
[05:19] <theD3viL> k...
[05:19] <Janux> Currently, my Ubuntu chose to use i386 Kernel for my Duron 600, does it have any performance improvement if I use Athlon Kernel?
[05:19] <Fish-Face> I would be using Yattacier right now, but it's hella slow
[05:20] <Janux> Fish-Face, hehehehe....it's okay....
[05:20] <mcquaid> the default ubuntu theme is called clearlooks, but there are several themes that use the clearlooks engine that look very good
[05:20] <Zen> can anyone reccomend a good p2p client for ubuntu?
[05:20] <theD3viL> amule
[05:20] <petemc> bittorrent
[05:20] <theD3viL> or apollon
[05:20] <zenrox> Zen, limewire
[05:20] <Zen> thanks..
[05:20] <mcquaid> mldonkey
[05:20] <hawke_> hmm, bittorrent is only semi-p2p
[05:20] <Fish-Face> I hate mldonkey :P
[05:21] <mhale> hello all
[05:21] <Fish-Face> It just dumps all it's config files in the WD
[05:21] <theD3viL> E: Couldn't find package limewire
[05:21] <Zen> yeah.. i have bittorrent
[05:21] <Janux> Fish-Face, Are you using Athlon Kernel or are you using i386?
[05:21] <theD3viL> zenrox, E: Couldn't find package limewire
[05:21] <Fish-Face> Janux, i386, IIRC
[05:21] <mhale> where would i find the .config file used to compile the kernel that shipped with hoary?
[05:21] <Fish-Face> Which I should do... I only installed on Monday
[05:21] <Janux> Fish-Face, what's IIRC?
[05:22] <mcquaid> mhale, it's in the /boot dir
[05:22] <zenrox> theD3viL,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for installing limewire
[05:22] <Nermal> http://nermal.org/gallery/albums/5/55.jpg  would be an older shot of my gnome desktop :|
[05:22] <Fish-Face> Janux, If I Recall Correctly
[05:22] <mhale> mcquaid: thanks
[05:22] <Nermal> I suppose I should make a new one
[05:22] <resiak> I'm trying to play CDs on my Toshiba laptop, using gnome-cd. It refuses with "Drive error". Ripping the same CDs works just fine. Any ideas?
[05:22] <Fish-Face> Nermal, oooh, desklets
[05:22] <mcquaid> but grab the source from ubuntu as well, dont use plain vanilla kern from kernel.org
[05:22] <claviola> Hi, I have a friend who's just installed Ubuntu on his notebook, which has a widescreen display, and X won't use up all of the space.  Does anyone here know how to fix that?
[05:22] <Fish-Face> Nermal, I don't have enough desktop for desklets
[05:22] <tritium_> Janux, you might install linux-k7, and see if you notice an improvement
[05:22] <mcquaid> i believe ubuntu applies some patches, not sure
[05:23] <zxc> Anyone know the best Partition Live CD
[05:23] <Nermal> Fish-Face, aye.. before they removed the depreciated stuff and psi-desklets died
[05:23] <Janux> Fish-Face, ic ic....I heard that Athlon kernel has some speed improvement over i386 on Athlon CPUs because it uses 3D-Now! and SSE
[05:23] <theD3viL> claviola, witch graphich card is he using ?
[05:23] <Fish-Face> Nermal, I heard about that...
[05:23] <mhale> mcquaid: just to make sure... to build a kernel using that config file, i drop that in /usr/src/linux-[foo]  and just run the steps after 'make xconfig'?
[05:23] <Nermal> can't blame the gdesklets guys.. the function had been depreciated for over 6 months
[05:23] <Fish-Face> Nermal, I wrote a whatchamacallit, but I never published it because the API was too young
[05:23] <mcquaid> rename ther config to .config
[05:23] <Janux> tritium_, alright, should I install through synaptic or configure myself?
[05:23] <mcquaid> and i prefer make gconfig
[05:24] <claviola> theD3viL: Uh, I don't know, but X works.  It's probably a modeline issue, but I don't know.
[05:24] <tritium_> Janux, install either via synaptic, aptitude, or apt-get
[05:24] <mhale> mcquaid: yes, im using the ubuntu source... the kernel ive compiled is crashing a lot, so i want to use their config
[05:24] <mcquaid> ok, but their config has everything under the sun compiled as a module, so it'll take awhile ;)
[05:24] <tritium_> Janux, linux-k7 is the packagename you want.  It'll pull in a linux-image, and linux-restricted-modules
[05:25] <mcquaid> i'm on a custom kern now, i recompiled cause i couldn't use nvidia 61.69 with the ubuntu kernel
[05:25] <mcquaid> and now i have dma enabled, no need for hdparm
[05:25] <Drako60> would someone like to tell me why i must go through the hardware dection befor i can format my HDD with ext3?
[05:25] <mcquaid> although they do have the modules compiled for all the chipsets, i don't know how to force their usuage instead of using hdparm
[05:25] <theD3viL> mcquaid, is computer faster if you turn on DMA? i did it but not restarted computer yet..
[05:25] <Janux> tritium_, so you mean that it will just install that K7 modules and insert it for me instead of upgrading the entire kernel, right?
[05:26] <mhale> mcquaid: taking a while is fine, as long as it doesnt fall over every half hour
[05:26] <tritium_> Janux, no, it'll install a new kernel.  If you want to use it, you'll have to reboot into that kernel.
[05:26] <mcquaid> theD3viL, yes harddrve/media drives are much faster with dma on, my point is dma is on for me without needing hdparm
[05:26] <Janux> tritium_, ic ic...thanks a lot
[05:27] <zxc> anyone know a Partition software in Windows which can handle resizing of ext3?
[05:27] <mcquaid> ubuntu has a script that uses hdparm for drives, but not for cdroms, thats why you see the forums littered with people asking how to enable dma on their cd/dvd drives
[05:27] <theD3viL> mcquaid, but harddrive not? just hd i think... ?
[05:28] <claviola> theD3viL: Did you have any ideas?
[05:28] <mhale> zxc: partitionmagic
[05:28] <mcquaid> you harddrive most likely has dma on becuase of this script: /etc/rcS.d/s07hdparm
[05:28] <mcquaid> i renamed it with a small s so it doesn't run now
[05:28] <mcquaid> hdparm can be risky sometimes, and does add some overhead
[05:28] <Nermal> mcquaid, any idea why that decision was made.. not to enable DMA on cdroms ?
[05:29] <theD3viL> claviola, what is problem at all if X works?
[05:29] <Nermal> zxc, yes
[05:29] <mcquaid> well, it was more a linux kernel decision as all kernels used to have dma enabled by default, but some chipsets had shakey dma support
[05:29] <Nermal> but you can do it under linux too
[05:29] <mcquaid> much more rare now
[05:30] <Nermal> mcquaid, yes.. but in those cases surely you wouldn't want to enable dma at all, not just on the hdds
[05:30] <mcquaid> but as i said, all the modules are compiled for all chipsets in the ubuntu kernel so there must be a way to force it to use your chipset module
[05:30] <mcquaid> shoulnd't be necessary to recompile
[05:30] <Nermal> nope.. you've missed my point entirely
[05:31] <mcquaid> Nermal, yes correct, in those cases hdparm, or using chipset support to enable dma would be a bad idea on flakey chipsets
[05:31] <zxc> mhale: Partition Magic 8 doesn't support it/ doesn't work
[05:31] <Nermal> so why does ubuntu enable dma on hdds but not cdroms by default ?
[05:31] <zxc> Nermal, how?
[05:31] <Nermal> zxc, use something like gparted
[05:32] <mcquaid> i see what your saying, no idea, if they didn't have that script there, everyone would be complaining about dog slow harddrive access
[05:32] <Fator_Dee> some cdroms don't work properly with dma enabled
[05:32] <tritium_> Nermal, the hdparm script runs before the devices are setup, so even if you configure your hdparm script to enable dma on your cdrom, it can fail
[05:32] <mcquaid> ah yes thats' right
[05:32] <Nermal> zxc: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
[05:32] <Janux> tritium_, for booting into the new kernel that I installed, do I need to manually configure GRUB or anything that I can use?
[05:32] <zxc> Nermal, I can't resize the partition while I'm using it.
[05:32] <mcquaid> /dev/hdc probably doesn't exist yet
[05:32] <Nermal> tritium, ah
[05:32] <Nermal> zxc, oh..
[05:32] <Nermal> I'm sure partition magic does
[05:32] <tritium_> Janux, no, when you install it, update-grub will be run for you.
[05:33] <tritium_> mcquaid, precisely
[05:33] <zxc> I thought so true and I tried it and it had errors. I asked in here and lots of people said it has issues
[05:33] <Janux> tritium_, what do I do with the i386 one? can I uninstall that package?
[05:33] <mcquaid> tritium, how can one force the module to load for their chipset and avoid hdparm entirely?
[05:33] <tritium_> Janux, you can, but it's usually safe when installing new kernels to make sure that the new one works before removing one that you _know_ works.
[05:33] <tritium_> mcquaid, not sure, unless a kernel boot parameter would do the trick
[05:34] <mcquaid> ya i think that's whats required, just learning grub, used to use lilo
[05:34] <solomarv> is there a way to add all members of one group to some other group in /etc/group without copying over all usernames?
[05:34] <Nermal> zxc, "Supports FAT, FAT32, NTFS, Ext2, and Ext3 file systems."
[05:34] <Janux> tritium_, ic ic...thank you so much
[05:34] <Nermal> from: http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/features.html
[05:34] <mcquaid> oh well, i recompiled already anyways, but i'm sure a lot of users would like to know, since all the chipset modules are already compiled anyways
[05:34] <Nalioth> howdy
[05:35] <tritium_> doody
[05:35] <Nermal> which seems to be utterly screwed thanks to symantec buying them
[05:35] <mcquaid> what time is it kids!
[05:35] <Nermal> 16:37
[05:35] <tritium_> http://www.howdydoodytime.com/
[05:35] <tritium_> mcquaid, ;)
[05:35] <mcquaid> heh
[05:36] <tritium_> Hi Nalioth :)
[05:37] <mhale> when i do 'iwconfig' on the command line, one of the interfaces listed is 'sit0'. what does this do? i presume it is a tunneling-type device?
[05:37] <Nalioth> y'all makin fun of my accent? <g>
[05:37] <tritium_> Nalioth, no, just couldn't resist the pun ;)
[05:37] <resiak> mhale: IPv6, I thinkl.
[05:38] <Absenth> I don't suppose any of the ibook guys are here
[05:38] <Nermal> aww.. so negative
[05:39] <mhale> resiak: ah i see. cheers
[05:39] <Nermal> 2 people in #ubuntu-ppc
[05:40] <Nalioth> Absenth, i am here. there is a ppc channel?
[05:40] <Drako60> how can i get apt to configure after install?
[05:40] <Absenth> Nalioth, I don't suppose you've ever tried to install OSX after having ubuntu on your mac?
[05:40] <Nermal> edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the additional sources
[05:40] <Nermal> then do an apt-get update
[05:41] <Drako60> ahh thank you
[05:41] <Absenth> Nalioth, when I boot from the OSX cd, it doesn't show my drive when you get to the target location part of the install.
[05:41] <Nermal> Drako60, www.ubuntuguide.org has more info on setting up additional sources
[05:41] <thully> does anyone here know if using Ubuntu Backports is safe?  I heard it had problems with warty - have they cleared these up?
[05:41] <resiak> /dev/cdrom doesn't seem to exist. What's the best way to coax udev into creating it as a symlink?
[05:41] <ubuntu> macos suxorz
[05:41] <Nalioth> Absenth,  i installed tiger on this ibook and the only problem i experienced was that it ate my yaboot
[05:42] <Absenth> Nalioth, I'd be fine with loosing yaboot.  Right now I can't install the os at all, as my jaguar install doesn't appear to recognize the hard drive.
[05:43] <Drako60> Nermal i was unable to setup network at install so apt wasn't configure at all except for cdrom
[05:43] <Nermal> Absenth, ummm.. do the recovery console thing and blat the disk ?
[05:43] <Nermal> Drako60, ah :)
[05:43] <Nermal> Drako60, you can add multiverse and restricted as well after universe if you want to
[05:44] <Nalioth> Absenth, i don't know what to tell you, i started the install and wento cook dinner, and it was done and booted to a desktop when i returned
[05:45] <Nalioth> Absenth, then i had to tell yaboot to get back to work
[05:45] <Nermal> Nalioth, nice dinner ?
[05:45] <Nalioth> Nermal, it was filling
[05:45] <Nermal> splendid
[05:46] <jefis> How to disable automatic time synchronization and 0dns-down runing on boot?
[05:46] <jefis> then system boots :)
[05:46] <Absenth> nermal, don't suppose you know the combo of keys to pull that off?
[05:47] <Nermal> erm.. no.. I've only done it once :|
[05:47] <Nermal> hold down apple key and turn it off and on ?
[05:47] <Nalioth> Absenth, perhaps you could install tiget on a fw or usb2 external and then use carbon copy cloner to put it on your main box
[05:47] <Nalioth> Nermal, what r u wanting to do with the mac?
[05:47] <Nermal> I'm not
[05:48] <Nermal> Absenth, can't install tiger after install ubuntu
[05:48] <Ocid> jefis: http://ubuntuguide.org/#permanentlydisableenableboot-upservices
[05:48] <Nalioth> Absenth, what keys do you want to make the box do ?
[05:48] <Nermal> doesn't the macos installer have a tool built in to blat the HDD and format it ?
[05:49] <Nalioth> Nermal, yes you can totally clean your HD and then install, but for me thats not an option
[05:49] <zinden> hello, i need some help from someone...........
[05:49] <resiak> zinden: How about me?
[05:49] <Absenth> Nalioth, Nermal, I want Linux off the hard drive completely, and OS-X on the hard drive by itself.
[05:49] <Nermal> zinden, state error
[05:49] <tritium_> jefis, or, more appropriately, use update-rc.d to do it
[05:49] <Nermal> Absenth, then can't you use the disk tool thingy on the menu when it looks for  the disks ?
[05:50] <Nalioth> Absenth, restart your tiger installer and go to the file menu select 'disk utility', nuke your driver and try again the installer
[05:50] <zinden> sure, about ubuntu....i want to install it to HD, but when it comes to something called apt then it freezes at 25%.........how to solve that
[05:50] <Nalioth> Absenth, this is before you even select the language
[05:50] <Nermal> zinden, ubuntu hoary >
[05:50] <Nermal> ?
[05:51] <Absenth> rebootiung now
[05:51] <xwing> hi
[05:51] <zinden> from http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:51] <xwing> i just finished downloading and burning the ubuntu cd
[05:51] <xwing> was curious does it support kde?
[05:51] <Nalioth> Absenth, you're not running any weird HD interface are you?
[05:51] <rafx> hoary sounds kindof perverted
[05:51] <Nalioth> xwing yes its called kubuntu
[05:51] <Nermal> xwing, try kubuntu
[05:51] <Nermal> :)
[05:52] <Absenth> Nalioth, out of the box configuration of a 12" iBook (trying to install Jaguar actually, but..)
[05:52] <xwing> is that another cd?
[05:52] <Nermal> I think so :|
[05:52] <Nermal> hope you have broadband :)
[05:52] <xwing> damn
[05:52] <Nalioth> i havnt tried tiger on my new 12"
[05:52] <DexterF> hi
[05:52] <Nermal> http://kubuntu.org/
[05:52] <gavriels> anyone trying to use ubuntu on a PCI Express machine with the NVidia binary driver?
[05:52] <DexterF> for what achitecture are ubuntu packages compiled by default
[05:52] <Nalioth> xwing, you can install the pkg 'kubuntu-desktop"
[05:52] <Absenth> AHA!  The Disk Utility!
[05:53] <gavriels> I just got a new laptop, and it freezes completely when starting X with ubuntu
[05:53] <Nermal> Absenth, yeeeees
[05:53] <gavriels> SuSE works fine though
[05:53] <Absenth> That clue about (before selecting the language was the key)
[05:53] <Nermal> gavriels, tried booting with pci=noacpi or acpi=off
[05:54] <mhale> gavriels: its not a thinkpad is it?
[05:54] <gavriels> toshiba
[05:54] <gavriels> tecra m3
[05:54] <xwing> does kubuntu & ubuntu have an easy installer ? (not a fan of some linux style installers, example gentoo)
[05:54] <nanaem> what disc emulator like deamon tools or A 120% is the best one in linux?
[05:54] <foodcoman> I have a Thinkpad R40 which worked just fine.
[05:54] <zinden> kubuntu and ubuntu use same installer_
[05:55] <zinden> ?
[05:55] <tritium_> xwing, text based, but very easy
[05:55] <gavriels> I tried 'noacpi', but my dmesg log got filled up with some other cruft and I couldn't tell if it actually started up with no acpi
[05:55] <mhale> r40s work great, r40e's have problems with acpi
[05:55] <Stuttergart> What is the recommended way of doing NIC teaming/bonding under Ubuntu?
[05:55] <xwing> zinden: basicallyy what i ment was does it have an easy installer unlike gentoo
[05:56] <xwing> -y
[05:56] <mhale> gavriels: does it boot into text mode fine?
[05:56] <gavriels> The issues is the nvidia drivers.  It works ok with the nv driver
[05:56] <zinden> its easy...just text based...but very easy
[05:56] <gavriels> And SuSE works fine with the nvidia driver
[05:56] <foodcoman> Would be nice is laptops were as easy as desktop machines.
[05:56] <mhale> foodcoman: agreed. you'd think laptops would be easier - less hardware to support
[05:56] <xwing> nvidia? does nvidia cards have issues with ubuntu ?
[05:57] <gavriels> there also seems to be a problem with the wired ethernet driver (sk98lin)
[05:57] <Fator_Dee> xwing: some
[05:57] <zinden> so anyone knows why the computer freezes at 25% when running something called APT when you are trying to install ubuntu?
[05:57] <foodcoman> mhale: I quess it has been a lie all along......Size does matter!   hehehe.
[05:57] <Kisain> i have an invidea vanta lt 16mb and no problems
[05:57] <Kisain> that i know of
[05:57] <gavriels> Fator_Dee, waht are the known issues with NVidia cards?  I didn't see anything in my google searches
[05:57] <gavriels> acpi=off doesn't help
[05:57] <Kisain> i use both ubuntu and kbuntu and so far nothin
[05:57] <xwing> hmm then i'll probably have issues then. I have a geforce4 mx (onboard) with ethernet
[05:57] <gavriels> I also tried a 2.6.11 kernel, both prepackaged and source-built
[05:58] <gavriels> haven't tried a kernel.org 2.6.11 kernel yet
[05:58] <Fator_Dee> gavriels: I have the mysterious freeze where the mouse still moves and you can ssh to the comp to kill xorg/xfree that is hogging all the processor
[05:58] <Nalioth> time for my nap
[05:58] <tizen> zinden: does it connect?
[05:58] <xwing> Nvidia GeForce4 MX integrated GPU is what windows says
[05:58] <gavriels> Fator_Dee, what I saw about that one was that it was related to X RenderAccel
[05:58] <gavriels> ie: Driver bug
[05:59] <gavriels> xwing, I doubt that you would have a problem with that
[05:59] <Fator_Dee> well, anyways, that happens only when I have the nvidia drivers enabled :-(
[05:59] <zinden> well i took do not update...but it wants to get adresses if i understands it right....and i dont know if it connects to internet if that you wondered about....
[05:59] <Fator_Dee> but it is quite a rare bug, I think
[05:59] <gavriels> I'm having trouble mostly because I'm dealing with cutting edge hardware.  PCI Express NVidia 6600 Go, etc
[05:59] <xwing> gavriels: ok
[06:00] <gavriels> Fator_Dee, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24703.html
[06:00] <tritium_> gavriels, do not use 2.6.11.  It's not supported.  There are no linux-restricted-modules for it, so nvidia binary kernel module will not be available
[06:01] <Drako60> what do i need to type for apt to install xorg?
[06:01] <gavriels> tritium_: yes, but I need 2.6.11 for other purposes.  Or I need to backport a 2.6.11 patch to a 2.6.10 kernel
[06:01] <gavriels> tritium_: there's a bug with ptrace in 2.6.10 and below kernels that causes issues with copy protected games with Cedega
[06:02] <tritium_> gavriels, then you'll have to build nvidia module yourself from nvidia-kernel-source
[06:02] <gavriels> yes, I did that.  But it still locks
[06:02] <Fator_Dee> gavriels: yes I have read threads concerning the thing, but I'm just too lazy to try all those random hacks to get this bugger working because I can manage well without the nvidia drivers
[06:02] <xwing> does transparent windows work in it
[06:02] <gavriels> Fator_Dee, its not a hack, just a one line change in the X config
[06:03] <Fator_Dee> It's just, irritating that that kind of bug exists
[06:04] <Fator_Dee> gavriels: but it seems that disabling renderaccel doesn't work with everyone?
[06:04] <gavriels> Fator_Dee, well, I'm hoping to be able to get that bug soon. 8-)  Until I get the driver working in the first place, it seems unlikely though
[06:05] <Fator_Dee> oh well, maybe I just need to straighten myself up and try... :-p
[06:09] <mo> s
[06:09] <Drako60> is there somewhere i can download the sources.list for apt or somewhere on the cd
[06:10] <mmichelli> hello
[06:10] <Nermal> Drako60, ubuntuguide.org
[06:10] <mmichelli> i'm installing beagle on a new install of ubuntu
[06:10] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories to be precise
[06:11] <mmichelli> and don't know how to install the patch for my supported mono
[06:11] <Drako60> yes thats great if i want to hand type it all
[06:11] <Nermal> mmichelli, I would just use the ubuntu beaglee packages
[06:11] <Nermal> Drako60, just cut and paste
[06:12] <Drako60> i can't
[06:12] <Nermal> gpm ?
[06:12] <Nermal> X ?
[06:12] <Drako60> windows
[06:12] <sunux> 
[06:12] <Drako60> ubuntu box is in the other room
[06:12] <mmichelli> Nermal: they say use the patch but dont tell me how
[06:12] <mmichelli> configure: error: Library requirements (mono >= 1.0.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH envir onment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[06:13] <Nermal> mmichelli, like I said
[06:13] <mmichelli> i this on my install following the beagle pages
[06:13] <Nermal> just use the prebuilt ubuntu packages
[06:14] <Nermal> mmichelli, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[06:14] <mmichelli> Nermal: i followed it word for word
[06:14] <Nermal> simple.. add the repository then apt-get install it
[06:14] <mmichelli> k thanks
[06:14] <Nermal> :)
[06:14] <mmichelli> i'll try now
[06:14] <gavriels> bah - the suse kernel doesn't help
[06:14] <sunux> hello everyone,I'm from China,this is the first time to use xchat
[06:14] <tritium_> hi sunux
[06:14] <Hannes_> sunux: irssi is better
[06:14] <Hannes_> :P
[06:15] <sunux> thank you~~
[06:15] <gavriels> or rather, doesn't start up yet.  won't mount my ubuntu root for some reason. Maybe missing ext3 from the initrd?
[06:15] <sunux> my EN is poor~
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> we have seen worse
[06:16] <Nermal> yeah.. bloody americans
[06:16] <Nermal> "color"
[06:16] <sunux> ~_~ ~_~
[06:16] <tritium_> Nermal, be nice...
[06:16] <Nermal> I am :)
[06:16] <Nermal> lovely in fact
[06:17] <Fator_Dee> it seems you are modest too
[06:17] <Nermal> I'm helpful... I'm just a bitter old man from years of tech support
[06:17] <tritium_> Nermal, English is an evolved language, with Greek, Latin, German roots.  American English is a continuation of that evolution.
[06:18] <sunux> Is there anybody form China?
[06:18] <Nermal> tritium, look up "sarcasm" and "wit" in that language of yours :)
[06:18] <tritium_> Nermal, I know :)
[06:18] <Nermal> gah.. this office is so life draining
[06:18] <ubuntu> how do I get to root?
[06:18] <Nermal> sudo su
[06:19] <aeho> Someone here with experience of installing cedega from cvs?
[06:19] <tritium_> ubuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:19] <tritium_> sudo -s
[06:19] <aeho> I get error in configure:
[06:19] <aeho> configure: error: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a is present on your system.
[06:19] <aeho> This prevents linking to OpenGL. Delete the file and restart configure.
[06:19] <Nermal> and your question is ?
[06:20] <aeho> and I'm not sure is deleting that file safe
[06:20] <Nermal> ah
[06:20] <ubuntu> why doesn't it show me a hardrive to click on like in knoppix for my win32 drive?
[06:20] <Nermal> what package are you compiling ?
[06:20] <ubuntu> I am on the live cd
[06:20] <aeho> nermal, cedega cvs
[06:20] <gavriels> aeho, it is.  You really don't need a static libGL for anything
[06:20] <Nermal> ah :|
[06:20] <aeho> okay, I'll delete it
[06:20] <gavriels> you can at least move it aside
[06:20] <tritium_> aeho, deleting it will break the package it belongs too
[06:21] <aeho> hmmh
[06:21] <Nermal> ubuntu, maybe it's somewhere else..
[06:21] <Nermal> is it mounted ?
[06:21] <aeho> well, what I can do then?
[06:21] <ubuntu> no
[06:21] <Nermal> then mount it manually
[06:21] <ubuntu> ok
[06:21] <Nermal> though it should find it
[06:21] <ubuntu> where would it be if it did find it?
[06:21] <Nermal>  /windows/C
[06:21] <Nermal> I think
[06:21] <gavriels> aeho, subscribe to cedega instead of building from cvs? 8-)
[06:21] <Nermal> or in /dev/null if it has any sense
[06:22] <aeho> gavriels, how much it does cost?
[06:22] <gavriels> $5 / month
[06:22] <Sauron21> hi....
[06:22] <gavriels> 3 month minimum
[06:22] <Nermal> gavriels, ah! you want to be paid for developing software! you eat babies!
[06:22] <nate_> sup
[06:22] <nate_> everyone miss me?
[06:22] <aleung19> Does anyone know how to mount a shared windows drive with samba?
[06:22] <Nermal> nate_, I usually hit rather than miss
[06:22] <tritium_> aleung19, see ubuntuguide.org
[06:22] <gavriels> Nermal, I do.  it makes them giggle
[06:23] <aeho> gavriels, does the program work after 3 months, If I don't subscribe after that time
[06:23] <aleung19> tritium_: alright, thanks
[06:23] <gavriels> yes, it works after 3 months, but you don't get any further updates / support, etc
[06:23] <Sauron21> does anyone know if there is a connection timeout(so that if a connection does not respons, it is dropped) options in nessus??
[06:23] <gavriels> anyone know the initrd format that SuSE uses?
[06:23] <gavriels> it doesn't appear to be any of reiser, ext2/3, or cramfs...
[06:24] <Nermal> aleung19, mount -t smbfs //windowspc/sharename /mountpoint ?
[06:24] <aeho> Can I see which program uses LibGL.a?
[06:24] <Nermal> Nermal, or you can probably do it via nautilus
[06:24] <Nermal> smb:// etc
[06:24] <Drako60> ok ethernets working, name servers not
[06:24] <Nermal> Drako60, /etc/resolv.conf
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> aeho: lsof | grep LibGL.a
[06:24] <Nermal> gavriels, #suse would be the place to ask :)
[06:25] <gavriels> aeho, no program uses libgl.a.  It's a static library, only used when developing
[06:25] <aeho> ah
[06:25] <Drako60> thats what i thought Nermal but wasn't entirely sure
[06:25] <ubuntu> wow it can't play shoutcast?
[06:25] <gavriels> Nermal, I'm trying to get a SuSE kernel working with ubuntu, since the ubuntu standard kernels don't like my system
[06:25] <aeho> what's console command for removing files?
[06:26] <gavriels> aeho, don't delete it ('rm'), just move it aside ('mv')
[06:26] <aleung19> Nermal: thanks
[06:26] <tritium_> aeho, what's the full path to the file, by the way?
[06:26] <ubuntu> can ubuntu play any internet radio stations?
[06:26] <Nermal> gavriels, hmmm.. define "don't like"
[06:26] <aeho> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu: yes it can
[06:26] <Nermal> ubuntu, sure.. xmms and beep media player play shoutcast streams
[06:27] <Nermal> as does rhythmbox and others
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu: try streamtuner
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu: very good program
[06:27] <Nermal> thats a bit like saying "can windows do this..."
[06:27] <tritium_> aeho, hmm, what package is that a part of?  can you run "dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a" ?
[06:27] <Nermal> try asking if apps can do what you want.. not ubuntu
[06:27] <gavriels> Nermal, 1) When used in conjunction with the NVidia binary drivers results in a system freeze on starting X, and 2) Doesn't allow me to use my wired ethernet port (sk98lin).
[06:27] <BadgerJedi> so I set up ubuntu, but I don't know the root pass...
[06:27] <Nermal> gavriels, and you've tried booting with pci=noacpi ?
[06:28] <Nermal> or pci=biosirq
[06:28] <gavriels> also (3) has the ptrace bug that prevents Cedega copy protection support from working
[06:28] <gavriels> Nermal, yes
[06:28] <tritium_> BadgerJedi, there isn't one: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:28] <Nermal> :/
[06:28] <BadgerJedi> o
[06:28] <kub> ubuntu, streamtuner is awesome
[06:28] <kub> no windows app like it afaik
[06:28] <aeho> tritium_, xlibmesa-gl-dev: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a
[06:28] <gavriels> Nermal, but SuSE has everything working, so I want to try their kernel
[06:28] <dazzed> BadgerJedi: use your user pass in conjuction with 'sudo' theres no root pass in ubu
[06:28] <Nermal> gavriels, I used to work for suse but I'm not that hot on kernels
[06:28] <gavriels> but I don't want to actually use SuSE...
[06:28] <Nermal> I see what you want to do
[06:28] <tritium_> aeho, okay.  That package will be broken if you remove the file.
[06:29] <Nermal> tbh,, it might be easier just to roll your own
[06:29] <ubuntu> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg.
[06:29] <aeho> ah, then I won't install cedega from cvs
[06:29] <Nermal> install gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[06:31] <aeho> does steam & cs run with wine, or are there any other programs to get steam & counter-strike working in linux
[06:31] <aeho> on linux*
[06:31] <Drako60-momsCPU> no wonder, i didn't even have a resolv.conf, ohh i'm getting tired of configuring
[06:31] <mcquaid> afaik only cedgea supports cteam
[06:31] <Nermal> Drako60, why not just configure your network thingy through gnome ?
[06:31] <mcquaid> steam that is
[06:31] <Drako60-momsCPU> because i don't have xorg fully installed
[06:31] <tritium_> Drako60-momsCPU, you should have had one.  That's not something the user normally has to configure.
[06:31] <Nermal> if it's set to use dhcp it's likely to nuke your resolve.conf next time
[06:32] <Nermal> Drako60-momsCPU, how did you manage that ? :)
[06:32] <Drako60> because i did an expert install to avoid setting up apt because of the buggy network drivers
[06:32] <Nermal> umm
[06:33] <Nermal> just choose no when it says if you want to test the online sources
[06:33] <Drako60> it didn't ask
[06:33] <Nermal> :
[06:33] <Nermal> :|
[06:33] <Drako60> supposedly it copied xorg and everything to the HDD but /etc/init.rc/gdm start gdm not found
[06:33] <Kisain> just installed kubuntu last night it rocks
[06:33] <sjmorgan> should i be worried that funning "free -m" in a terminal on my machine produces "-/+ buffers/cache:        268        731"?
[06:34] <sjmorgan> i don't have X running at all
[06:34] <Nermal> sjmorgan, no ?
[06:34] <neighborlee> Does anyone know what package I am missing that ( even though gimp-print has my printer selected and my printer is set as default in ubuntu) is preventing me from being able to print pictures in gimp..I try to print but the printer remains quiet after 'print' is pressed ...???
[06:34] <sjmorgan> s/funning/running/
[06:34] <sjmorgan> but doesnt that mean that 268meg is being used?
[06:34] <Kisain> now i'm torn inbetween ubuntu and kbuntu can't decide which ones better they both rock ^_^
[06:34] <Nermal> free memory is used as disk cache under linux
[06:34] <Nermal> ummmm
[06:34] <Kisain> man this jsut kepps getting beter ^_^
[06:34] <Nermal> sjmorgan, maybe run top and sort by memory
[06:34] <nanomad> any core pkgs broken in breezy? 'cause i am going to dist-update now...
[06:34] <sjmorgan> my friends machine says its using about 70meg under the same conditions
[06:35] <sjmorgan> and he's using hoary
[06:35] <Nermal> nanomad, breezy working ok here
[06:35] <sjmorgan> actually he still has gdm running
[06:35] <Nermal> sjmorgan, hmm
[06:35] <nanomad> Nermal, ok..going now
[06:35] <sjmorgan> i ran top and the highest memory % usage was like 0.2% or something
[06:35] <Nermal> nanomad, don't blame me if it breaks :)
[06:35] <sjmorgan> very weird
[06:35] <kub> Kisain, I'm a kubuntu refugee...
[06:35] <nanomad> Nermal, np, i use sid usually :)
[06:35] <Nermal> :)
[06:36] <Nermal> right... hometime...
[06:36] <Kisain> kubuntu refugee? what that?
[06:36] <kub> switched over to ubuntu this morning :)
[06:36] <ubuntu> so I guess the live cd does not come with the ability to listen to shoutcast radio? :(
[06:36] <Kisain> nice
[06:37] <bondu> hi.  I am new to ubuntu and have a strong problem on bootup
[06:37] <bondu> it take about 5 mintues before the kernel will load
[06:38] <bondu> I get past grub, then it says boot, then waits 5 minutes, then uncompresses the kernel
[06:38] <Kisain> nice i did last night it just keeps getting better ^_^
[06:39] <bondu> has anyone seen this before? and is there a fix?
[06:39] <bsimmel> i installed kubuntu on my laptop, very impressive distro. i left a 6gig partition for winxp, now how do i set it up, since i never worked with grub
[06:39] <aleung19> mount -f smbfs gives me error
[06:39] <bondu> this is happening with the install CDs
[06:39] <sunux> goodbye everyone~I want to end my first travel in xchat now,see you tomorrow~~
[06:39] <neighborlee> bondu, hmmm I've never heard of such a weird issue..if no one here knows id definitely check on the forums..almost sounds like unsupported hardware of sometype...
[06:39] <sunux> 
[06:39] <neighborlee> bondu, laptop?
[06:39] <Kisain> is there something out there better than x-chat?
[06:40] <bondu> it's standard
[06:40] <Kisain> oh ok
[06:40] <kub> I use Konversation
[06:40] <bondu> dual amd duron asus k6 mobo
[06:40] <neighborlee> Kisain, depends what your looking for I guess..many swear my irssi <G>
[06:40] <blueyed> Where are the status shortcuts documented that "dpkg-query -l" shows, like "un", "ii", "rc"..?
[06:40] <Drako60> hmm i have no idea what to apt-get install to install all of xorg
[06:40] <bsimmel> is there any good howto for it? most howtos go like have winxp, install ubuntu afterwards
[06:40] <Kazooz> Hi all can you please help me with password problems
[06:40] <Kisain> well when i used windows they had ones that where easyer to use
[06:41] <Kisain> like you could put smilys in and colurs in your text
[06:41] <blueyed> Drako60, xserver-xorg?
[06:41] <Drako60> got it blueyed
[06:41] <Drako60> now if i can just get gnome install
[06:42] <blueyed> gnome-desktopn, Drako60?
[06:42] <neighborlee> Drako60, apt-cache search XXX < would search for installable packages..
[06:42] <blueyed> -n
[06:42] <Drako60> gnome-destop i think i tried that
[06:42] <Kazooz> How dou you reset passwords
[06:43] <Drako60> i'll get it, even if i had to go through and install everything remotely related to gnome heh
[06:43] <Kisain> whats irssi?
[06:44] <Kisain> is it better than x-chat?
[06:44] <nadav> It's a command line IRC client.
[06:44] <Kisain> like esyer to use?
[06:44] <nadav> http://www.irssi.org
[06:44] <Kisain> thanx man
[06:44] <bluefoxicy> how do you play wmv files
[06:44] <Kazooz> with media player
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> Kazooz:  no, you need w32codecs or something but they're not in any of the ubuntu repos
[06:45] <Kazooz> Then i can't help
[06:46] <Kisain> is there a screen shot anyware?
[06:46] <bsimmel> another issue, which graphical package manager do you recommend that supports listing the installed files and that displays a packages comments?
[06:46] <tritium_> bluefoxicy, w32codecs are in Marillat's repo
[06:46] <nate_> bluefoxicy: Kazooz: do the codec part of this for pretty much every codec under the sun: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_3_installation_notes.html#MPlayer
[06:47] <nate_> it works with ubuntu
[06:47] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  so sources.lst line?
[06:47] <bsimmel> because kynaptic is crap, i didnt try synaptic
[06:47] <neighborlee> bsimmel, synaptic
[06:47] <Kazooz> What is the root password?
[06:47] <tritium_> Kazooz, there isn't one: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:47] <bsimmel> thanks, does it also list installed files
[06:47] <kub> bsimmel, synaptic for sure
[06:47] <neighborlee> bsimmel, kynaptic is very beta'ish although of course functional..
[06:48] <kub> yes bsimmel
[06:48] <Kazooz> thanx
[06:48] <Kazooz> Then how do i access add/remove programs?
[06:48] <neighborlee> Kazooz, its just your 'user' password
[06:49] <neighborlee> Kazooz, ubuntu is sudo based and comes ready to use root based on your own user password
[06:49] <bsimmel> fine, anyone out there for the winxp install issue, or else: i'm allready searching for my kantix to fix everything afterwards
[06:49] <kub> bsimmel, xp install issue?
[06:49] <mikail> cd Desktop
[06:49] <mikail> oops
[06:49] <Kisain> can someone help me which version do i want to download for irssi?
[06:50] <Kazooz> but if i use my password @ add\remove programs it says child terminated
[06:50] <Andril> hello all, noob ready to learn!
[06:50] <bsimmel> jup, have installed ubuntu, now want xp dualboot, how do i fix grub after xp install?
[06:50] <Kisain> .tar.gz or tar.bz2?
[06:50] <neighborlee> Kazooz, sounds like you are mistyping it
[06:50] <neighborlee> Kazooz, try again
[06:51] <kub> ubuntu didn't automatically put xp in the Grub menu?
[06:51] <kub> which drive do you have XP on
[06:51] <Kazooz> i tried many times it is correct i double checked
[06:51] <Kisain> or do i want sources or binarys?
[06:52] <bsimmel> nope, my harddisk was wipped before installing, now i "need" xp, so i want to install it afterwards. with lilo this would be no problem for me, but i dont know grub
[06:53] <kub> neighborlee: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[06:53] <kub> neighborlee, sorry
[06:53] <kub> bsimmel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[06:53] <theD3viL> hm...... is vertical syn. on in fglrx-xorg drivers ?
[06:53] <bsimmel> >kub: reading
[06:54] <kub> @anyone: is there an equivalent of kdesu for gnome?
[06:54] <Drako60> now as long as my ethernet doesn't die on me, and if i can get dma working i'll be happy
[06:54] <neighborlee> kub: its as simple matter to do this if its not autodetected..but thats odd that it didn't detect XP and put in grub..i've never seen it happen but then I have just this one desktop ;-)
[06:55] <kub> same here neighborlee
[06:55] <uwi-> gtg
[06:55] <Kazooz> How do you install sound drivers
[06:55] <neighborlee> that page is hopelessly confusing to new user ..good grief
[06:55] <Zen> hey all.. i have the flash player installed but im not getting any sound from any animations on the web.. any idea whats up?
[06:55] <Drako60> but atleast i do have to boot with ide=nodma like i did with debian
[06:55] <neighborlee> waste of time
[06:55] <Kisain> anyone know
[06:55] <Drako60> err do=don't
[06:56] <kub> Zen, have you checked your mixer and whatnot
[06:56] <Kazooz> how do you install apps
[06:56] <Zen> i have checked my mixer..
[06:56] <neighborlee> Kazooz, with synaptic package manager
[06:56] <Kisain> what download do i want to pick to install irssi?
[06:56] <neighborlee> Kazooz, or at command line with: sudo apt-get insall mypackage < insert password>
[06:57] <Zen> everything is on full + unmuted
[06:57] <Zen> and i can hear things like music
[06:57] <kub> Kazooz, are you sure it's not already installed?
[06:57] <Zen> its just flash animations
[06:58] <bsimmel> xp install issue: hm, this howto goes like first install windows, then install ubuntu. real men dont install that way ;-). i already have ubuntu, with space left on the disk for xp, now want to install xp
[06:58] <kub> Kazooz, go to applications > run application and type xterm, then type irssi in xterm
[06:58] <Zen> any idea what can be done about the flash animations prob?
[06:58] <kub> no idea, sorry
[06:58] <kub> Zen, tried the forum yet?
[06:59] <Zen> damn
[06:59] <kub> I'd search the forum if you haven't
[06:59] <Zen> ok
[06:59] <Zen> ill give the foruma  go
[06:59] <concept10> What tool do you guys use to backup dvd's?
[06:59] <bsimmel> when i install xp, it will kill my bootloader(grub). i will read the manpage, but manpages are no howtos, is there anything special to remember?
[07:00] <kub> bsimmel, it's recoverable :)
[07:00] <kub> bsimmel, try searching at the forum as well
[07:01] <bsimmel> hm ok...
[07:01] <concept10> bsimmel, search for update-grub, you should install windows first then ubuntu, windows always rewrites the MBR
[07:01] <nevyn> has anyone seen ipmasq from universe go insane and start blocking tcp connections?
[07:02] <ironwolf> I plugged in a jumpshot CF card reader, and I see it recognizes the card, but doesn't create a device for it under /dev/scsi or similiar.  How do I mount it?
[07:02] <bsimmel> yes i know. i know how to fix it with lilo as bootloader (easy), but not hoe to fix grub
[07:05] <kub> ahhh...it's gksudo
[07:05] <nate_> bsimmel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[07:05] <kub> ouch
[07:06] <neighborlee> bsimmel, hello\
[07:06] <bsimmel> manythanks, i will try tomorrow or over the weekend, then this wikipage will need an update... ;-)
[07:07] <nate_> bsimmel: heh
[07:07] <concept10> Anyone here have a suggestion for a DVD backup app?
[07:08] <nate_> concept10_: k3b?
[07:08] <nevyn> ironwolf: it should just appear on the desktop
[07:09] <bsimmel> nate_: nooffense, just read over it it and it doesnt seem to explain how to fix the bootloader with a recovery linux, which i know how to do with lilo, just not with grub
[07:09] <nate_> bsimmel: none taken, its just a do-over page if it comes down to it for you.
[07:10] <bsimmel> hm, is there a way to set lilo as the default bootloader, this would fix the issue.
[07:11] <tjoe> tritium: hello tritium
[07:11] <bsimmel> i dont like grub anyway, bad device naming, nahnahnah
[07:11] <thegreedyturtle> i'd avoid lilo
[07:11] <tritium_> bsimmel, grub-install
[07:12] <ubuntu> ubuntu can't even support java plugins?
[07:12] <ironwolf> nevyn: I understand supposed behavior.  I'm asking what do I do now that it's gone off the reservation as it were.
[07:12] <neighborlee> bsimmel: while it should have taken a install time this would do it manually with sudo: grub-install /dev/hda
[07:12] <tritium_> ubuntu, thanks to Sun's licensing
[07:12] <ubuntu> well knoppix does
[07:13] <tritium_> ubuntu, you can install java, though
[07:13] <nate_> bsimmel: please add your solution to the wiki when you solve it, I'
[07:13] <neighborlee> Ubuntu: there is a very easy java installer but atm I can't find it...its somewhere in the forum
[07:13] <nate_> bsimmel: I'm sure someone will have the same issue
[07:13] <tritium_> ubuntu, does Knoppix violate Sun's licensing?
[07:13] <kub> ubuntu, just install what you need...am I missing something?
[07:13] <bsimmel> i had my lilo since firstday linux, it never failed, i said boot this shit, and it booted this shit
[07:13] <nevyn> ironwolf: start poking around in dmesg see what happens there when you plug in the device
[07:13] <Amaranth> If knoppix has Java they've made a deal with Sun or are breaking the law.
[07:13] <neighborlee> ubuntu, wait..nm.its on ubuntuguide.com < search on java and you find several install methods.easiest is like option 2 Ithink..
[07:13] <ubuntu> I know, don't hate on me, just commenting, I am impressed, I like gnome better than kde as it is truely good
[07:14] <tjoe> Does anyone know how to get an atherus wireless pcimini lan card to work
[07:14] <bsimmel> jup, but i feel leike if theres a way to do it with lilo i will do it with lilo, an recommend nothing if this breaks kernel package management
[07:14] <kub> so far ubuntu is kicking kubuntu's can as far as my experience goes
[07:14] <nevyn> Amaranth: not really if they ship a java application. it could be.. debatable
[07:14] <ubuntu> I am bumed that I can't just easily mount my hd though graphicaly
[07:14] <ubuntu> it is win32 partition
[07:14] <nate_> kub: but kubuntu is so much prettier
[07:14] <kub> nate_...what! It's crowded and bright blue...!?
[07:15] <Amaranth> nate_: I think you mean to say cluttered and messy. ;)
[07:15] <nate_> kub: is soooo much prettier though
[07:15] <nate_> Amaranth: meh, not messy
[07:15] <kub> nate_...you must be an MBA
[07:15] <kub> :)
[07:15] <ubuntu> how do I mount a win32 partition please?
[07:15] <tritium> tjoe: hi
[07:15] <tritium> What's up?
[07:15] <kub> ubuntu, there is an easy tutorial out there
[07:15] <nate_> kub: MBA?
[07:16] <kub> to make it auto mount every time you boot up
[07:16] <bsimmel> kub, nate_: atleast i feel like kde has some issues, various crashes for me. well, i cant help, i lov my kde anyway
[07:16] <jesper> Hi, have anyone gotten 5.04 CD's from Shipit yet?
[07:16] <tjoe> tritium: hello
[07:16] <ubuntu> I am on the livecd
[07:16] <tjoe> tritium: i need help
[07:16] <IcemanV9> that's okay, nate_  ... as long as ubuntu is installed on ur box regardless of gnome or kde :-)
[07:16] <ubuntu> I did, it was easy
[07:16] <kub> bsimmel, yeah, same thing here, even the KDE marquee select flickers when used on the desktop
[07:16] <tjoe> tritium: bob2 helped me a little last night
[07:16] <kub> ubuntu, oh.
[07:17] <concept10> bsimmel: the solution to your problem is easy, boot into a rescue command prompt and run the command update-grub .... you might want to search for the correct command
[07:18] <tritium_> tjoe, what's up?
[07:18] <ubuntu> well the totem movie player won't play any of my mpg's
[07:19] <tjoe> tritium: i have a atherus wirless lan card pcimini, i have the latest restricted modules, i probed ath_hal, these are all things bob2 wanted me to do
[07:19] <bsimmel> concept10: you mean a rescue cd ok? with grub?
[07:19] <kub> ubuntu, can't you do an hd install?
[07:19] <tjoe> tritium: the wireless card is detected under ethernet in the device manager, but not detected in networking gui
[07:19] <ubuntu> no, I can't resize my dumbass partition, is there an easy way to do tha in ubuntu?
[07:20] <concept10> bsimmel: gimme a sec, ill tell you exacly what to do?
[07:20] <bsimmel> hm, or i could boot my root fs from a rescue cd, then update-grub
[07:20] <tritium_> bsimmel, yes
[07:20] <kub> ubuntu, do you have high-speed net connection?
[07:20] <tritium_> tjoe, sorry, that's not something I can really help you with
[07:21] <bsimmel> would that work ok, how do i boot a no x/network runlevel
[07:21] <Dj-Cum> hello
[07:21] <mmichelli> just a quick question, how do you set enviroment variables?
[07:21] <tjoe> tritium: ok thanks for trying, hopefully bob2 will want to later
[07:21] <kub> ubuntu, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24888
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> export foo=bar
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> for enviromental variables
[07:22] <bsimmel> is kernelparameter s enough?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> the 'advance bash guide' will have some more exhaustive examples.
[07:22] <mmichelli> do they get set at start up, where?
[07:23] <Dj-Cum> Dj Jurgen - Orgasm!
[07:23] <tritium_> bsimmel, you want to disable X on boot?
[07:23] <mmichelli> Dr_Willis: if i say export foo=bar will it be like that on the reboot
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  theres several places you can set them - depending on what you are doing. the users .bashrc or .bash_profile are 2 common places
[07:24] <bsimmel> yes, and network, just once for administration
[07:24] <sig> bsimmel: /etc/inittab
[07:24] <sig> edit that
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  it will not survice a reboot.. or even be sent to a different shell. UNLESS the shell is spawned by that shell.
[07:24] <mmichelli> just installing beagle
[07:24] <mmichelli> ok
[07:25] <mmichelli> so i can just put them in the .bashrc file right?
[07:25] <tyrese> i have a few boxes booting on my network, and they use DHCP, is it possible for me to have my local DNS server add thier host names to it's host file, so that the machines can be resolved using thier names instead of IP address?
[07:25] <ubuntu> can ubuntu resize partitions?
[07:26] <kub> ubuntu, did you read the forum link I sent you?
[07:26] <Janux> does anyone know how to convert RMVB to MPEG?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  yep.
[07:27] <To_Me> anyone currently using checkinstall?
[07:27] <mcquaid> i haven't in ages, failed on me too many times
[07:27] <hac> When i run hdparm -tT the "Timing buffered disk reads" is 27 Mb/s...my hd is too slow?
[07:28] <mcquaid> i'm currently reading on how to make debs
[07:28] <theBishop> is there a Beagle repository anywhere?
[07:28] <mmichelli> Dr_Willis: in the "/etc" file
[07:28] <goldfish> hac: is it a laptop?
[07:28] <hac> goldfish: no
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  each user has their own .bashrc for system wide. theres some files in /etc/   but i forget their names
[07:29] <goldfish> hac: ok, well mine is 25.xx , so i dont think its that slow, not sure though
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  each user has their own .bashrc. However for system wide settings  theres some files in /etc/   but i forget their names
[07:29] <ringmauer> anyone who knows a good n64 emulator for ubuntu?
[07:29] <hac> goldfish: ok thx
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> :) gotta fix my grammer.
[07:29] <ubuntu> how do I initiate install off the live cd?
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  i think thers only 1 or 2 that even exist for linux. check Zophars domain.
[07:30] <goldfish> ubuntu: you need the install cd
[07:30] <mcquaid> i forget the best n64 emu, but i don't think their is a n64 package for ubuntu
[07:30] <ubuntu> come on you gusy
[07:30] <mcquaid> xmame is out of date and doesn't include the opengl version
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  http://www.zophar.net/unix/n64.html
[07:30] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, tnx, ill check it out
[07:31] <kub> ubuntu, do you have the install cd
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> xmame is often recompiled to have several versions you use/run./ perhaps they have a different package for the gl version.
[07:31] <neighborlee> ubuntu: there is no 'install ''yet'' from the liveCD
[07:31] <neighborlee> ubuntu,its in planning stages ;-)
[07:31] <ubuntu> well I am sorry to say, hate me, ban me, whatever, knoppix is superior to ubuntu right now, I wish it wasn't though
[07:32] <To_Me> checkinstall aborts, ist says "/usr/local/man" does allready exist
[07:32] <xfSx> ubuntu, because of the install off live-cd feature or other reasons too? If other, please state.
[07:32] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, im a noob, now i have a -tar.bz2 file, ive extracted it, i have a folder with some files, now how to install it+
[07:32] <ringmauer> ?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  no idea.. when in doubt read the docs. that are proberly there.
[07:32] <kub> ubuntu, knoppix and ubuntu aren't really competitors
[07:32] <snarky> hey all
[07:32] <ubuntu> well the install off the livecd is a big one, the inability to play simple movies, listen to shoutcast radio
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  or check the things home page.
[07:33] <snarky> im in hoary, sound works totally cool except for when i go to play wesnoth
[07:33] <ubuntu> no java plugin support on browser
[07:33] <ubuntu> no ability to resize the partition
[07:33] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu: there are valid reasons for those
[07:33] <snarky> i get this error in the term when i run wesnoth
[07:33] <snarky> Could not initialize audio: No available audio device
[07:33] <xfSx> ubuntu, i agree, those 2 got me too... shoutcast.com, double click a stream... error gaah!
[07:33] <kub> ubuntu, it's best to hd install ubuntu, that's what it's really for
[07:33] <concept10> ringmauer: check the readme, you might have to compile, not too hard
[07:33] <ringmauer> concept10, but there isnt any readme
[07:33] <kub> ubuntu, keep using knoppix if you like, it's a good live CD
[07:34] <ubuntu> please don't be sad though, I love gnu, I have written like 50 papers on it, does anyone know of any livecd better than knoppix?
[07:34] <tritium_> ubuntu, for the record, you can play mpeg videos with totem
[07:34] <concept10> ringmauer: what are you attemting to install
[07:34] <ubuntu> I can't on the livecd right now
[07:34] <ringmauer> concept10, muppen 64 nintendo emulator
[07:34] <kub> ubuntu, live CDs for different purposes, like Dynebolic, are nice
[07:34] <concept10> whats the link
[07:34] <ringmauer> concept10, ive only installed from syaptic before
[07:34] <nate_> ubuntu: why not hd install?
[07:34] <ringmauer> concept10, what should i write in shell?
[07:35] <concept10> ringmauer: whats the link for the emu?
[07:35] <IcemanV9> kub: try Slax; you can play CD music
[07:35] <ubuntu> nate don't have a resizer
[07:35] <ringmauer> http://mupen64.emulation64.com/down.htm
[07:35] <kub> IcemanV9, I have it, it's nice
[07:35] <ubuntu> I must resize my partition, plus don't have the nistall cd's
[07:35] <nate_> ubuntu: get security cd
[07:35] <nate_> ubuntu: most of em come with parted
[07:35] <IcemanV9> kub: ahh. okay. :)
[07:35] <nate_> ubuntu: unless you
[07:36] <Zen> anyone here know how to make flash use alsa?
[07:36] <nate_> ubuntu: unless you're using ntfs
[07:36] <kub> ubuntu, you should eventually hd install, I'm streaming everything here :)
[07:36] <xfSx> any apps for resizing xfs? anyone?
[07:36] <ubuntu> W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  in the doc dir - theres a readme.pdf
[07:36] <kub> ubuntu, it's a FAT32! Easy cheesy.
[07:36] <nate_> ubuntu: the hd version is so much better than the live cd
[07:36] <Segosa> what's the file with all the network config in
[07:36] <xfSx> guys i also got a problem with file associations, when i choose 'open with' and choose an app, it tells me 'cant add app to application database' wtfwtf?
[07:36] <Zen> any one know how to make flash use alsa?
[07:37] <ubuntu> well that is good to hear, please tell me, I beg of you, is there a free piont of sale program for linux somehwere?
[07:37] <nate_> xfSx: first time i've heard of that
[07:37] <mmichelli> Dr_Willis: put it in my user bashrc,  i'm rebooting to see if it works
[07:37] <concept10> ringmauer: the readme is in the /doc folder
[07:37] <kub> ubuntu, have you googled that
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  theres no need to reboot.
[07:37] <tritium_> mmichelli, don't reboot
[07:37] <xfSx> nate_, damn, i remember reading something about it in ubuntuforums, although no solution
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> mmichelli,  any new shells will get the change.
[07:37] <tritium_> mmichelli, just source ~/.bashrc
[07:37] <mmichelli> cool
[07:37] <xfSx> it's the only major issue i got with ubu!
[07:37] <xfSx> hrmpf
[07:37] <Zen> does anyone her know how to make flash use alsa.. btw.. you can say no. Better than ignoring ^_^.
[07:37] <harryf> anyone with a newer powerbook here?
[07:37] <kub> ubuntu, if you googled it you'd find stuff like this: http://www.bananapos.com/pos/home.html
[07:38] <nate_> xfSx: yeah, sounds rather rarem did you mess with anything so that you have a starting point?
[07:38] <ubuntu> yes  have, nothing I have found to be good though
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Zen,  my flash is useing alsa by default - ive never had to change/twiddle with it.
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Zen,  at least I think it is. :P
[07:38] <nate_> xfSx: any idea what caused it?
[07:38] <mmichelli> all looks good thanks
[07:38] <xfSx> nate_, it's all possible, i may need to reinstall anyway
[07:38] <Zen> Well.. the sound goes out of sync..
[07:38] <Zen> on all flash animations
[07:38] <xfSx> no i can't be sure what's done it, i've messed about enuff with my ubu
[07:38] <nate_> xfSx: sometimes a test-install is a good idea
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> Zen,  yep. I got that issue also. :P what processor you have?
[07:39] <Segosa> what's the file with all the network config in?
[07:39] <mcquaid> zen i have the same problem with firefox in debian sid, all flash would lag sound, and some flash would send my cpu usage to 100%
[07:39] <ubuntu> you guys don't even have cvs installed!!!
[07:39] <neighborlee>   xfSx i've never seen that error but then I dont need to associate alot...are you running breezy ?
[07:39] <mcquaid> galeon or epiphany solved that problem
[07:39] <xfSx> segos, /etc/resolv.conf holds dns info
[07:39] <nate_> xfSx: sounds like something is messed, so i'd reinstall if you have no idea.  unless someone has a better idea
[07:39] <Segosa> xfSx, nah not that
[07:39] <xfSx> no i'm hoary
[07:39] <ringmauer> concept10, i dont understand what i shall do
[07:39] <dazzed> ubuntu: i dont use cvs
[07:39] <tritium_> ubuntu, not by default, of course not.  That's not something the average user needs.
[07:39] <mcquaid> supposedly it's due to xul overhead in ff/mozilla
[07:39] <neighborlee> ubuntu, debian i s a light install out of the box what do you expect <wink>
[07:39] <concept10> ringmauer: ok, gimme a secc
[07:40] <mcquaid> try one of those browsers to see if the prob persists
[07:40] <dazzed> tritium_: most people "DONT" need it ever
[07:40] <kub> ubuntu, you use LiveCDs and CVS?
[07:40] <dazzed> unless you like to keep up :)
[07:40] <ubuntu> yes
[07:40] <ubuntu> I am a developer
[07:40] <neighborlee> ubuntu, target audience > eas of use crowd so CVS isn't going to likely be a default package installed ;-))
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  one of those downloads had the N64 emu allready compiled - just run the thing ./whatever
[07:40] <xfSx> nate_, yeh ok.. reinstall may have to be it.. hrm
[07:40] <tritium_> ubuntu, so install it
[07:40] <To_Me> once again: anybody else problems regarding checkinstall? Any hints? Google seems not to be my friend :(
[07:40] <ubuntu> it is on a live-cd, will apt work on live-cd?
[07:40] <kub> ubuntu...man, do an HD install and install CVS!
[07:40] <jony> hi
[07:40] <nate_> xfSx: always put your home directory in a seperate partition, then most of your settings are saved
[07:41] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, ok, ive extracted the file, now i have a folder with some files, what to do next?
[07:41] <jony> i need hel with skype. i'ts awfuly slow, i wonder why
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  try LOOKING at the files
[07:41] <mupe> whats the problem with sound only working in gnome, not in xfce or fluxbox
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> one is an execxutable you run
[07:41] <xfSx> nate_, that's good advice for next time i repartition
[07:41] <xfSx> thnx
[07:41] <nate_> xfSx: np
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  you do have some N64 roms downloaded?
[07:41] <zxc> is there a command to sort of "scan disk" your "/"
[07:41] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, ive tryed, but i never installed anything before
[07:42] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, yes i have
[07:42] <mcquaid> mupe, xfce or flux do not have system sounds
[07:42] <jony> besides i cant conect to the skype network eaven before freeng the necesary ports
[07:42] <mcquaid> if you mean apps like xmms stop working make sure it's using alsa and not esd, as esd is only launched in gnome by default
[07:42] <jony> plz help me
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  the package i downloaded.. you just cd to that dir and run ./mupen64
[07:42] <mcquaid> or launch esd in xfce/fluxbox
[07:42] <mupe> mcquaid, but no applications have sound (rhythmbox most importantly)
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  no installing needed.
[07:43] <zxc> is there a command to sort of "scan disk" your "/" because I need to resize it and it has errors
[07:43] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, but the . is that the rom file?
[07:43] <ubuntu> ok real quick, does anyone know a better live cd than knoppix?
[07:43] <xfSx> hehe
[07:43] <Seveas> ubuntu :)
[07:43] <xfSx> ;)
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  ./command is how you run things when they are in the current dir. Bash FUNdamentals.
[07:43] <jony> plz help me get skype right!!!
[07:43] <mcquaid> mupe, yeah i'm not sure actually where to specify what sound system rhythmbox uses
[07:44] <neighborlee> ubuntu, I imagine most here would suggest the 'ubuntu liveCD" <wink>
[07:44] <neighborlee> unbeliebeable
[07:44] <neighborlee> what is it with today..newbie day where they ask for help and ignore you ??
[07:44] <ringmauer> Dr_willis, ringmauer@ubuntu:~$ cd /home/ringmauer/Desktop/mupen64-0.4/
[07:44] <ringmauer> ringmauer@ubuntu:~/Desktop/mupen64-0.4$
[07:44] <ringmauer> and now?
[07:45] <neighborlee> sigh
[07:45] <neighborlee> lol
[07:45] <jony> HELLO!!!! can anyone help me!
[07:45] <mikail> Newbie day indeed.  I got the memo, and here I am.
[07:45] <concept10> ringmauer: Dr_Willis is correct, the program is already compiled , untar and run command ./mupen64 in the directory
[07:45] <neighborlee> jony, lol
[07:45] <Fator_Dee> jony: depends on the problem
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  if you look. thers only one executable in the arvhicve.  ./mupen64 will run it...
[07:45] <mupe> hmm... rhythmbox uses gstreamer?
[07:45] <mikail> Man, it sucks to start from absolute scratch on this OS...
[07:45] <neighborlee> did someone just give out a ton of ubuntu Cd's or something?..I think we need more help in here guys LOLLLLL
[07:46] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, ./mupen64: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:46] <nate_> where are the minimum requirements for ubuntu?
[07:46] <neighborlee> jony, what is the nature of your ubuntu emergency
[07:46] <neighborlee> jony, joking aside yes we're help to assist you ;-)
[07:46] <mikail> Cedega is giving me problems.
[07:46] <neighborlee> mikail, dont use it
[07:46] <nate_> anyone know the minimum requirements?
[07:47] <mikail> Technically, it's giving my roommate problems.  But it's my problem because he hogs my computer.
[07:47] <NOKIASAM> What do i do with file "azx-022205.tar.bz2"
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  then you are out of luck. they compiled it with a different version of the libaraies on your system.
[07:47] <mikail> Really?  Why not?
[07:47] <Fator_Dee> nate_: what kind of computer you have?
[07:47] <mikail> Is there some better alternative to Cedega Neighborlee?
[07:47] <neighborlee> mikail, ouch ;-)..and btw i was kidding mostly..altbeit I dont go OUT of my way to reccommend it because I reccommend native linux games <wink>
[07:47] <nate_> Fator_Dee: well, it runs well on mine, but a friend wants to know before he buys a laptop
[07:47] <jony> first of all i've tryed with every file in the skype download page all of them are too slow but they open and istall without much hassle. the problem is that i cant log in nor create a new acount no nothing
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> ringmauer,  next bet would be to get the source archive and recompile for your own system.
[07:47] <ringmauer> Dr_Willis, ok, i think i need som irl help for this, tnx anyway
[07:47] <mikail> lol
[07:47] <neighborlee> mikail, you dont want to ask me that question <G>
[07:47] <neighborlee> mikail, short answer..yes
[07:48] <mikail> How do you whisper?  I assume that's what you're doing...
[07:48] <mcquaid> mupe, if you want sound out of rhythmbox outside of gnome, launching esd in one of those should work
[07:48] <neighborlee> mikail, although of course like with anything it depends how much effort you put in and what game you want to run...;-)
[07:48] <mikail> It's not so much about willingness to put effort into it, more about ability to comprehend the OS.
[07:48] <mupe> mcquaid, esd isn't launched automatically in those?
[07:48] <mcquaid> no only in gnome
[07:49] <Fator_Dee> nate_: well, I have a 800mhz 512meg computer and this runs wery well with xfce, gnome was a little slow but still bearable
[07:49] <mikail> Well, certainly the ability is there, but like I said, starting from scratch.
[07:49] <xfSx> anyone got hl2 running under cedega?
[07:49] <mupe> mcquaid, ok, need to try... thanks
[07:49] <mikail> neighborlee, Is this how you whisper?
[07:49] <neighborlee> yes
[07:49] <mikail> Maybe not.
[07:49] <eruin> hl2 runs fine here
[07:49] <mikail> lol
[07:49] <eruin> well, it did
[07:49] <eruin> I gave away hl2
[07:49] <nate_> Fator_Dee: yeah, he doesn't want to use xfce i bet, as a linux noob
[07:49] <mikail> neighborlee, See?  I'm already learning.
[07:50] <jony> neighborlee, do you use skype?
[07:50] <neighborlee> jony, nope I have no direct need at the moment
[07:50] <xfSx> eruin: same perfromance as on winxp? better? worse?
[07:50] <Fator_Dee> nate_: I don't think xfce is any harder to use than gnome or kde
[07:50] <jony> ok
[07:50] <eruin> xfSx: far better
[07:50] <jony> Fator_Dee, do you use skype?
[07:50] <xfSx> eruin heh sweet i wanted to hear that
[07:50] <Fator_Dee> jony: nope
[07:50] <neighborlee> xfSx, you dare speak of xp in here ?..why I should kick you right now
[07:51] <xfSx> neighborlee, no that would be narrow-minded!
[07:51] <neighborlee> xfSx, of course I'm j/k but hey...<wink>
[07:51] <xfSx> i know ;P
[07:51] <jony> xfSx, do you use skype?
[07:51] <mikail> Neighborlee, My roommate isn't the best at computers, much less Linux.  So he's probably going to need the easiest method available..
[07:51] <neighborlee> xfSx, gocha
[07:51] <mikail> lol
[07:51] <neighborlee> xfSx, gotcha
[07:51] <Fator_Dee> nate_: one has to get accustomed with gnome and xfce
[07:51] <xfSx> jony i have it installed, not chatted yet why?
[07:51] <nanaem> hi, need help with the old game Sin, sound prob. get the error  Could not mmap sound device. anyone know how to fix that. i have sound during the intro movie, but after that none.
[07:51] <neighborlee> xfSx, i'm good for a laugh or two if nothing else ;))
[07:51] <xfSx> lol
[07:52] <neighborlee> mikail, do you not see the PM I sent you ..>>>look luke to the east and then CLICK IT
[07:52] <jony> xfSx, does your skype take lots of time to load?
[07:52] <xfSx> no
[07:52] <jony> xfSx, why do you think mine does
[07:53] <xfSx> mine takes about 3 secs
[07:53] <jony> mine takes about 20s
[07:53] <xfSx> hmm what did you install?
[07:53] <jony> the deb package
[07:54] <thully> does anyone know how to set up ifplugd to manage my network interfaces, using DHCP to get an IP?
[07:54] <jony> with the qt library
[07:54] <justin> thully: /etc/default/ifplugd
[07:54] <mcquaid> nanaem this might work with sin
[07:54] <mcquaid> echo "darkplaces-glx 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[07:54] <mcquaid> replace darkplaces with the sin binary name
[07:55] <mcquaid> that fix is only temporary, you'll have to do it again on reboot
[07:55] <xfSx> jony i did the same, weird
[07:56] <IcemanV9> hmm .. i just installed Ubuntu on the laptop, everything went fine until logon screen. when i entered username & password, then nothing came up except the mouse pointer. what's going on??
[07:57] <xfSx> iceman sounds bad
[07:57] <IcemanV9> ha, u're telling me? xfSx :P
[07:58] <IcemanV9> xfSx: i want it to work .. so i can show my friends & family
[07:59] <Fator_Dee> something could be wrong in the xorg.conf
[07:59] <slept> IcemanV9, maybe you can find out more reading logfiles in /var/log
[08:00] <IcemanV9> slept:  i'm booting it with livecd .. it works flawlessly. i'll check the /var/log
[08:01] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee: will check that as well
[08:01] <slept> IcemanV9, you can do from terminal
[08:01] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: check the xorg's logfile first
[08:01] <ignis> Hi. Does anyone know if it's possible to configure totem-gstreamer to use windows codecs? (i.e. the ones you can get from the mplayer website)
[08:02] <forsaker8k6> hi people
[08:02] <tritium_> ignis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:02] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9:  I think it's /var/log/Xorg.log or something
[08:02] <tritium_> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:03] <ignis> tritium_: cheers
[08:03] <Fator_Dee> well, I was almost right :-)
[08:03] <mcquaid> mupe, i just found out you can modify what rhythmbox uses by using gstreamer-properties
[08:03] <djones|lunch> ignis, I don't know if that can be done, but giving totem-gstreamer the boot and installing totem-xine may have the desired effect.
[08:03] <mcquaid> change it to alsa if you wish if you want to use rhythm outside of gnome, without a sound daemon
[08:03] <mupe> mcquaid, enabling gnome services in xfce solved my problem
[08:04] <mcquaid> or that ;)
[08:04] <mcquaid> haven't use xfce in a bit, it has an option to start up gnome services?
[08:04] <IcemanV9> yep, that's the file, tritium
[08:05] <sarom> anyone knows what's the default password for root in ubuntu?
[08:05] <jbailey> sarom: No root password in Ubuntu.
[08:06] <tritium_> sarom, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:06] <sarom> ahhh.. ok, that's why su doesn't seem to work
[08:06] <jbailey> tritium_: Oo, handy, I'll have to keep that one around.
[08:06] <ignis> djones|finals: yeah, i'm aware of that.. and will do so.. was just wondering :)
[08:06] <sarom> thanks.. let me read that
[08:06] <tritium_> jbailey, :)
[08:07] <mupe> mcquaid: yes, found it in session settings or something menu when I was looking for a place to autorun applications on login :)
[08:07] <mcquaid> another thing you should look into is creating a .asoundrc file for your card
[08:08] <forsaker8k6> can someone explain me in two words the main differences between debian and ubuntu? why one would choose one or another?
[08:08] <mcquaid> then you can pipe esd through alsa, and it will work in other environments that don't ahve esd running
[08:08] <Choubaka> forsaker8k6: Ubuntu has newer packages.
[08:08] <xfSx> ownership activity?
[08:08] <mcquaid> and it'll get rid of laggy responses that esd causes. e.g. you hit stop on a song and takes a couple of secs to responnd
[08:09] <IcemanV9> hmm.. no error msgs in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:09] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka, and? that's all??
[08:09] <Choubaka> couple of secs is a bit drastic :)
[08:09] <Choubaka> forsaker8k6: nah.
[08:09] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: do you have the right resolutions and frequencies on the xorg.conf ?
[08:09] <Choubaka> Ubuntu has all the pros of debian, and removes some of the cons.
[08:09] <mupe> mcquaid: gotta try doing that at some point
[08:10] <forsaker8k6> i understand... but why would someone choose debian instead of ubuntu?
[08:10] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee: haven't check there yet .. slow laptop with livecd
[08:10] <Fator_Dee> forsaker8k6: my brother did
[08:10] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee: it should be working since logon screen came on, right?
[08:10] <slept> IcemanV9, if gdm starts your xserver should be right, is your gnome or whatever installation ok ?
[08:10] <forsaker8k6> Fator_Dee, did he say you why?
[08:10] <mcquaid> mupe, ya it works, nice. i tried pushing it and i had xmms, beep rhythm all playing sounds at the same time with no lag
[08:11] <Fator_Dee> forsaker8k6: haven't asked why
[08:11] <forsaker8k6> Fator_Dee, :(
[08:11] <slept> IcemanV9, you can install xfce4 to try with an other session
[08:11] <Fator_Dee> forsaker8k6: but I think he had a good reason for that, hes been using linux for a long time
[08:11] <forsaker8k6> Fator_Dee, well... so i guess he is right :D
[08:12] <mupe> mcquaid, is it supposed to be in ~?
[08:12] <IcemanV9> slept: installation went smooth. gnome is the default. i haven't been able to use it after the installation
[08:12] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: try to install some other window manager?
[08:12] <mcquaid> ya in ~ it'll work for you
[08:13] <mcquaid> you can make it global as well
[08:13] <Fator_Dee> I know it's not exaclty a solution for gnome problem, but
[08:13] <Fator_Dee> but now there's finland vs. sweden hockey game on tv, so I'm going to be quite away :-)
[08:13] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee: will try ... it'll take a while on a slow laptop ... i think i see the problem in Xorg.conf ... i'll fix it and reboot it
[08:15] <GarySaved> What would cause my Open Office to suddenly quit working?
[08:15] <neighborlee> hey all...do 'LiteOn' products work okay in linux ..ie:: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1337832&sku=L12-1034
[08:15] <IcemanV9> now, how do i mount hd from livecd?
[08:16] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: there's a howto on ubuntuguide.org
[08:16] <IcemanV9> so i can edit Xorg.conf and save it
[08:16] <nate_> zklkjhlsfdkghsd
[08:16] <IcemanV9> ok. looking at it now ..
[08:17] <nxvl> hi
[08:17] <slept> IcemanV9, if you want to find out if your xserver is working you can go to a terminal stop gdm with sudo  /etc/init.d/gdm stop , and then  xinit
[08:17] <nxvl> im tring to install mplayer on my ubuntu using apt
[08:17] <nxvl> but i have got many errors
[08:19] <nxvl> someone have install it?
[08:19] <ChrisH_> anyone have any tips on getting my mouse to work in kubuntu?
[08:19] <slept> IcemanV9, don't use the live cd you can't try if your xserver  works
[08:20] <WeirdAl> ref_softx.so doesn't exist. What do I need to install to get it?
[08:20] <tim_> hi there need a quick hint.  what mount options are required to samba share a usb hard drive?
[08:20] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: learn to use screen and irssi so it'll be easy to guide you
[08:20] <Fator_Dee> they are not hard to use
[08:21] <WeirdAl> quiet in here.
[08:21] <WeirdAl> Everyone must have gone to get food at the same time.
[08:21] <IcemanV9> ha. hold it, guys. i am working on it. it's a slow laptop. thanks for tips. stay tuned. :))
[08:21] <WeirdAl> all 548 of you
[08:22] <Fator_Dee> WeirdAl: you are just quick to judge
[08:22] <anto9us> food is an essential part of a balanced diet
[08:22] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:22] <WeirdAl> lol ant
[08:22] <ChrisH_> food + IT peeps - surely that's not normal
[08:22] <yotam> Hello! can someone please help me with a problem installing kernel modules for ATI Radeon 9600XT?
[08:22] <kjuu> I'm running ubuntu from a live cd, and I can find any sda:s or hda:s in /dev. Does that mean that ubuntu doesn't support my hd?
[08:22] <slept> tim_, you need to add a share to your samba.conf has nothing to do with usb
[08:23] <ChrisH_> don't you all just sit at your machines eating whatever's in arms reach?
[08:23] <WeirdAl> kjuu, is your hd formatted? And what format?
[08:23] <anto9us> cornflakes, milk, sugar and if you've got time, all at once
[08:23] <kjuu> ntfs
[08:23] <neighborlee> does anyone know if LiteOn products work in linux ?
[08:23] <_4strO> kjuu> sudo fdisk -l
[08:23] <tim_> the usb drive is owned by me when i mount it though
[08:23] <ryman> I burned an mp3 CD
[08:23] <tim_> i want another account to access it
[08:24] <ryman> but I couldn't open that CD with my winxp
[08:24] <kjuu> no ntfs support in ubuntu?
[08:24] <ryman> what do I need to do ?
[08:24] <tim_> i had an entry in the fstab and a symbolic link in that users home before
[08:24] <discman> neighborlee: yes.
[08:24] <WeirdAl> kjuu, the disk will show up in /dev anyway.
[08:24] <tim_> but i lost my installation
[08:24] <ryman> kjuu+  I dont know. I'm new to linux
[08:24] <WeirdAl> And there is read support for ntfs.
[08:24] <neighborlee> discman, k thx discman
[08:24] <shmoolik> hello   i have aproblem whith my apyget system i allways resive this message when i try to aptget upgrade
[08:24] <nosilver4u> kjuu, is it sata, or ide?
[08:24] <Merlin615> hi all
[08:24] <shmoolik> Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:24] <WeirdAl> kjuu, what happens if you do sudo fdisk -l
[08:25] <kjuu> nosilver4u: sata
[08:25] <nate_> setting up vpn tunnel with a pix is a pain
[08:25] <WeirdAl> ah
[08:25] <nosilver4u> well, it shouldn't work like this, but check hde
[08:25] <kjuu> WeirdAl: I'll try
[08:25] <nosilver4u> i've seen certain kernels put it there, but my sata always shows up sda on ubuntu
[08:25] <WeirdAl> Now that it's active, can anyone tell me how to install software support for OpenGL?
[08:26] <WeirdAl> Quake 2 is telling me that "ref_softx.so" doesn't exist.
[08:26] <ryman> is there any way to transfer muscin from Ubuntu to Ipod ?
[08:26] <crimsun> you're trying to use mesa, WeirdAl?
[08:27] <WeirdAl> I don't know.
[08:27] <tim_> ok i have sorted it out now
[08:27] <WeirdAl> I just want Quake 2 to start up so I can tell it to use hardware.
[08:27] <crimsun> WeirdAl: nvidia or ati?
[08:27] <WeirdAl> It says "Couldn't fall back to software refresh"
[08:27] <WeirdAl> atyi
[08:27] <WeirdAl> -y
[08:27] <crimsun> please look on zerowing.idsoftware.com
[08:27] <WeirdAl> okidoki
[08:28] <crimsun> (presuming you've configured the Ubuntu side)
[08:28] <WeirdAl> I'm assuming I haven't.
[08:28] <WeirdAl> Because if I'd configured Ubuntu for it, that driver should exist. right
[08:28] <WeirdAl> ?
[08:28] <crimsun> have you followed http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[08:28] <WeirdAl> :-s
[08:28] <crimsun> (no)
[08:28] <WeirdAl> Yeah, hardware works perfectly.
[08:28] <_4strO> lol
[08:29] <ChrisH_> and you people say "ubuntu is easy" Bah humbug! I say :P
[08:29] <slept> ChrisH_, ? it is
[08:29] <crimsun> WeirdAl: glxinfo tells you direct rendering (yes) is used?
[08:29] <sigpc> anyone else having issues with getting ubuntu to recognize parallel port printers?
[08:30] <sigpc> mine doesn't see my xerox docuprint p12 printer
[08:30] <WeirdAl> yes
[08:30] <Kisain> is there something other than x-chat?
[08:30] <crimsun> WeirdAl: then configure quake
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> Kisain: irssi+screen <3
[08:31] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to, but there's nothing on zerowing about it and my config edits didn't work.
[08:31] <Kisain> thanx
[08:31] <Kisain> do you have links?
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> and they are separate programs
[08:31] <WeirdAl> What should Quake be looking for to use software openGL?
[08:32] <WeirdAl> Plainly the driver it's defaulting to isn't the right one.
[08:33] <crimsun> WeirdAl: then use http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq
[08:33] <sigpc> anyone having issues with parallel printers not being recognized?
[08:33] <tritium_> Hi crimsun
[08:33] <ChrisH_> slept: well, usually it is, I always seem to get greif with it
[08:33] <sigpc> it see's my usb printer but not the parallel port printer
[08:33] <WeirdAl> ok
[08:33] <crimsun> hi tritium_
[08:34] <tritium_> sigpc, is the lp module loaded?
[08:34] <sigpc> tritium_: let me see I'm sure it is
[08:35] <sigpc> lp                     10792  0
[08:35] <Kisain> fator_dee, you have links
[08:35] <Fator_Dee> Kisain: for what?
[08:35] <kjuu> I previously tried to install Ubuntu but it failed when the installer started checking foe the hd partitions, and now I can't find my partitions using Ubuntu live.
[08:35] <kjuu> *for
[08:35] <Kisain> those clients like x-chat
[08:35] <Fator_Dee> just google
[08:35] <mcquaid> there's bitchx
[08:35] <Fator_Dee> not hard to look for
[08:36] <mcquaid> but whats wrong with xchat, i think it's the best one imo
[08:36] <kjuu> <3 irssi
[08:36] <rcas> Anyone here with Dual Opteron ?
[08:36] <mcquaid> and bitchx is in ubuntu, even the gtk version
[08:36] <kjuu> rcas, I wish :)
[08:36] <Luxh> hi, can i install ubunto on my p1 166mhz, 32mb ram, 1,96gb hdd (running win98 for now)?
[08:36] <Luxh> ubuntu*
[08:37] <mcquaid> although the gtk version is gtk1
[08:37] <holycow> Luxh, yes but you will need a very light window manager
[08:37] <sigpc> tritium_: it's loaded
[08:37] <holycow> gnome just won't run very well on that
[08:37] <sigpc> plugged in and everything
[08:37] <sigpc> works on windows
[08:37] <tritium_> sigpc, ok
[08:37] <mcquaid> gnome will die on that heh
[08:37] <Luxh> holycow, okej, thanks
[08:37] <Juhaz> nothing will run very well on that
[08:37] <holycow> absolute minimum would be more p300 with 64 meg ram
[08:37] <mupe> Luxh, or no window manager at all
[08:37] <Luxh> maybe
[08:37] <holycow> are you using it as a server?
[08:38] <holycow> if so use debian instead :)
[08:38] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee, slept: UPDATE - it worked!! just modified the Xorg.conf. horizsync & vertrefresh to be exact
[08:38] <Luxh> i just want to run some kind of linux on it :)
[08:38] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: ok, good that you solved it
[08:38] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee, slept: thank you! :)
[08:38] <mello> dual monitors?
[08:39] <Luxh> i had a nice guide, shall see if i can find it
[08:39] <holycow> Luxh, ah cool!
[08:39] <holycow> go play :)
[08:39] <Luxh> :)
[08:39] <mcquaid> mandrake has a nice utility for monitors with a bunch of proper timings for various montiors
[08:39] <ryman> I pluged in my ipod
[08:39] <Merlin615> Luxh, sounds like a good machine for a firewall/dns/dhcp server
[08:39] <ryman> how do I find out what device is it like sd2 , hda
[08:39] <ryman> or something
[08:39] <mcquaid> haven't used mandrake in years but i never understood why other distros didn't adapt those gui utils for these things
[08:39] <IcemanV9> now, i can get it online to update! then, show off to my friends & family. :)
[08:39] <holycow> nice thing about ubuntu is you can install from cd you don't need an internet connection
[08:39] <Merlin615> with min or no win manager
[08:40] <Fator_Dee> IcemanV9: if you want to show off, install 3ddesktop:-)
[08:40] <holycow> mcquaid, heh, i never understood why redhat or suse or mandy just didn't do what ubuntu does
[08:40] <holycow> its so blindingly obvious
[08:40] <Luxh> yeah, maybe i mak an try with apache :)
[08:40] <UnreA|L> who use cedega and it work on ubuntu ?
[08:40] <IcemanV9> Fator_Dee: ha.
[08:40] <goldfish> UnreA|L: me.
[08:41] <Merlin615> bbiab
[08:41] <MuStR> anyone know about java?
[08:41] <MuStR> I'm getting a bunch of errors when trying to use it
[08:41] <mcquaid> holycow, my point is there are some gui utils that other distros have made a long time ago that most distros have never adopted
[08:42] <mcquaid> new users shouldn't have to muck with xorg.conf to input their monitor timings
[08:42] <mcquaid> should be able to choose your monitor from a list and thats that
[08:42] <drfanatic> hallo!
[08:42] <crimsun> yast was (is?) not free.
[08:42] <Luxh> hehe, a mouse without scroll is hard to use :S
[08:42] <UnreA|L> goldfish you compiling cedega from source or install .deb ?
[08:42] <orhs> Hey all
[08:42] <goldfish> UnreA|L: .deb
[08:42] <drfanatic> spricht jemand deutsch?
[08:43] <UnreA|L> and all games work ?
[08:43] <holycow> mcquaid, oh thats because most of those are kde
[08:43] <Fator_Dee> #ubuntu-de
[08:43] <kjuu> ja, ein bisschen
[08:43] <mcquaid> yes they are kde, but even other kde distros did not adopt them
[08:43] <holycow> gnome based distros are not going to use kde admin tools, its kinda silly
[08:43] <mcquaid> not last i checked anyways
[08:43] <drfanatic> cool! bei mir geht apt-get install firestarter nicht
[08:43] <orhs> i have a question
[08:43] <holycow> and some of them were only recently gpld and no one really cares about yast, or what suse does
[08:43] <goldfish> orhs: ask away
[08:44] <Luxh> http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html <-- What do you think about this?
[08:44] <orhs> how do i install and use tar.bz files??
[08:44] <holycow> a lot of those tools are tied to the particular ways a distro does what it does as well
[08:44] <kjuu> drfanatic, versuche sudo spt-get
[08:44] <kjuu> *apt-get
[08:44] <drfanatic> sudo spt-get install firestarter?
[08:44] <kjuu> ja
[08:44] <kjuu> nein
[08:44] <kkathman> orhs:  use tar xvjf on the file
[08:45] <kjuu> apt-get
[08:45] <sarom> what is the program that shows you computer stats, the one I see a lot in desktop screenshots?
[08:45] <drfanatic> okay... ich versuchs mal
[08:45] <orhs> kkathman: is that a program already installed?
[08:45] <kkathman> sarom: there are several  gkrellm is very common and can be gotten using apt-get
[08:45] <Luxh> orhs, try www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:45] <drfanatic> E: Konnte Paket firestarter nicht finden - geht nich :(
[08:45] <sarom> kkathman, I'll download gkrellm and try that out
[08:46] <kkathman> orhs: yes  use   tar xvjf <filename.bz..>
[08:46] <kjuu> drfanatic, ein Moment
[08:46] <goldfish> sarom: gkrellm, torsmo.
[08:46] <drfanatic> danke @kjuu
[08:46] <drfanatic> -
[08:46] <nate_> w00t
[08:46] <dan32> hi, anyone has succesfully installed UML on AMD64 ? I'm having a lots of probs in compiling time
[08:47] <nate_> IcemanV9: you gotta love it :)
[08:47] <kkathman> sarom:  superkaramba has monitors too, but I'd stick with gkrellm or the like
[08:47] <mcquaid> or gdesklets
[08:49] <Nalioth> anyone got a good faq on gkrellm and how it works, what i can add, etc?
[08:49] <Luxh> do you think my 166mhz is able to boot a cd without any toubles?
[08:49] <sarom> kkathman, yup
[08:49] <sarom> that's the one
[08:49] <sarom> gkrellm is what I was looking for
[08:49] <sarom> thank you
[08:49] <thully> hi - I was just fooling with netapplet, and I wondered - can universe be updated for a bug fix?  The netapplet from Debian is MUCH more reliable than the one in Hoary...
[08:49] <Fator_Dee> Luxh: that's quite slow
[08:49] <orhs> kkathman: ok i did that and i saw all the files run down and a new dir came up... is the program installed no or just extracted??
[08:49] <nosilver4u> anyone else had weird issues with breezy and sound cards?
[08:49] <Luxh> Fator_Dee :/
[08:49] <mcquaid> you know you have a lot of tabs open when one of em starts covering the corner 'x'
[08:50] <goldfish> Nalioth: The help files that come with it have :)
[08:50] <mcquaid> in ff that is
[08:50] <crimsun> thully: not for Hoary.
[08:50] <thully> I thought there was some type of universe updates on the repository...
[08:51] <nosilver4u> alsa in particular tells me i have no sound card, but the modules are being loaded
[08:51] <crimsun> nosilver4u: ...breezy?
[08:52] <crimsun> thully: for various mozilla-firefox locales
[08:53] <crimsun> nosilver4u: (can't troubleshoot without additional info)
[08:55] <nate_> irssi is so cool
[08:56] <nosilver4u> breezy badger
[08:56] <nosilver4u> sorry, silly me, assuming everyone already knows everything
[08:56] <crimsun> nosilver4u: yes, I know that much, but I'm interested in details.
[08:56] <thully> well - I'm building a collection of third-party debs from various sources - got marillat stuff + other multimedia stuff + netapplet from sid
[08:58] <nosilver4u> ok, let me see if i can track down the error message
[08:58] <crimsun> thully: have you filed a bug on the netapplet?
[08:58] <Kisain> can someone give me the link for irssi?
[08:58] <Nalioth> goldfish,  thx
[08:58] <crimsun> Kisain: irssi.org ?
[08:59] <thully> No - but the issue is fixed in latest version from sid - works as-is in Hoary
[08:59] <Fator_Dee> Kisain: you couldn't google that :-o
[08:59] <i3dmaster> any tools to convert chm to pdf?
[08:59] <Nalioth> kisain, are you here inciting active thoughts, again?
[08:59] <goldfish> lol
[08:59] <crimsun> thully: are you saying that sid's package works without a recompile in Hoary, or are you saying that Hoary's version works fine?
[08:59] <delire> i3dmaster apt-cache search chm pdf. there are several
[09:00] <Nalioth> i3dmaster, use synaptic and search for chm or use your google
[09:00] <thully> sid's package works without a recompile or any additional dependencies
[09:00] <Razor-X> when Ubuntu installs, is GRUB installed to MBR or first track of partiton?
[09:00] <i3dmaster> delire, Nalioth: ok thanks, trying...
[09:00] <orhs> hello everyone :) iam trying to install a program( Tar.bz2) i have executed the tar xvjf <filename> command and then i saw all the files and a new dir came up... what do i do now??
[09:00] <mcquaid> Razor-X, mbr
[09:00] <thully> it is a newer upstream version - 1.00 versus 0.99
[09:00] <UnreA|L> How move folder with files to other directory
[09:00] <UnreA|L> ?
[09:01] <Kisain> which file do i need to download for issri?
[09:01] <crimsun> Kisain: none, it should already be installed.
[09:01] <Razor-X> mcquaid: can you change that behavior?
[09:01] <Fator_Dee> Kisain: apt-get
[09:01] <Razor-X> since, I wanna use a different bootloader than GRUB
[09:01] <slept> irssi-text
[09:01] <Nalioth> ?? compile
[09:01] <Kisain> i meant irssi lol
[09:01] <mcquaid> can't recall if the installer allows you to change it, maybe just skip it
[09:02] <Kisain> ok
[09:02] <mcquaid> i've always used lilo, but gave grub a go and like it
[09:02] <mcquaid> found my win part, and my other linux distro without issue
[09:02] <slept> Raskall, which one ?( is better than grub?)
[09:03] <delire> i3dmaster: perhaps look into converting it into another format first
[09:03] <mcquaid> UnreA|L, drag file to where ever in nautilus, or in a term: mv /move/this/folder /to/this/place
[09:03] <Kisain> tells me the pacage is not avalible am i doin somethn wrong?
[09:03] <slept> apt-cache search
[09:03] <crimsun> thully: I can't promise anything for hoary-updates, but I certainly can look at pushing a new upstream into breezy/universe
[09:03] <Kisain> i yyped sudo apt-get install irssi
[09:03] <Razor-X> mcquad: yeah, I used to use Lilo, but, i'm gonna have to do some configuring in GRUB to make it do what I want to do, and, I can't really suffer to do it in QWERTY
[09:04] <Razor-X> that, and i'd like to use a shareware bootloader
[09:04] <delire> Kisain: a great habit ;)
[09:04] <UnreA|L> How change default xmms skin
[09:04] <tahorg> Kisain: try irssi-text
[09:04] <Kisain> ok
[09:04] <delire> Kisain: apt-get update first? perhaps also ensure the name is the correct one. 'apt-cache search irssi'
[09:04] <Nalioth> Kisain, do you have all your repositories ?
[09:04] <UnreA|L> i trying mv skin ~/.xmms/Skins
[09:04] <slept> Razor-X, you can load a keymap
[09:05] <UnreA|L> and how chane skin
[09:05] <UnreA|L> ?
[09:05] <tp_> suse 9.3 wanted
[09:05] <Kisain> it says it's alredy the newest version
[09:05] <crimsun> thully: more than likely a simple sync from sid->breezy will suffice
[09:05] <Kisain> do i alredy have it?
[09:05] <thully> crimsun: I'll post something on Ubuntu backports to see if anyone is interested in packaging netapplet there
[09:05] <delire> Kisain: great, you have it
[09:05] <[Phaedrus] > saber_: hello
[09:05] <Kisain> so how do i run it?
[09:05] <Fator_Dee> use the terminal
[09:05] <delire> don't know.. i use snownews for rss
[09:05] <Kisain> and get one of them neat themes for it?
[09:05] <crimsun> thully: why backport it?
[09:05] <tahorg> Razor-X: I've a dvorak keymap for grub if you want
[09:05] <Razor-X> ooooh, yeah
[09:05] <Kisain> how do i trn it on?
[09:06] <Razor-X> good
[09:06] <crimsun> thully: if it works as-is from sid, simply installing from there will suffice
[09:06] <Razor-X> thanks ;-P
[09:06] <tahorg> Razor-X: I'm not kidding, I'm using it :)
[09:06] <[Phaedrus] > is there any way to make the kernel modules of 2.4 (.o) work in 2.6 (.ko) ?
[09:06] <UnreA|L> i trying mv skin ~/.xmms/Skins
[09:06] <UnreA|L> and how chanhe skin
[09:06] <mcquaid> i'm just reading over making debs.  can one use debians src file, or should one download source and start from scratch
[09:06] <[Phaedrus] > or, would ubuntu work with a 2.4 kernel?
[09:06] <UnreA|L> ?
[09:07] <Razor-X> tahorg: cool ;-P
[09:07] <crimsun> mcquaid: developers sync from debian as necessary; some packages require manual merging
[09:07] <i3dmaster> Nalioth, delire: there are some but seems like all win apps
[09:08] <tahorg> Razor-X: what keymap are you looking for ?
[09:08] <thully> crimsun: That's what I'm doing for now - I'd just prefer not to depend on loose debs
[09:08] <Nalioth> Kisain, at a terminal just type its name
[09:08] <neville> slept: R U alive?
[09:08] <danko123456> hey...eclipse is not in synaptic, is it?
[09:08] <slept> I are
[09:09] <Kisain> k
[09:09] <mcquaid> ya i don't want to use loose debs either, i'd prefer to get some packages going and submit them to backports or something
[09:09] <factorx> does the universe repository have a new url or why isnt synaptic working with the default url (which i uncommented of course) in sources.list?
[09:09] <Nalioth> i3dmaster, google "chm tools" linux    I know there is something called "chm_tools" or similar for linux
[09:09] <Razor-X> tahorg: a Dvorak one, preferably the one here: http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/layout.html
[09:09] <Kisain> and how do i use it to connect to hear(it's neat)
[09:09] <Razor-X> not sure if that's ANSI or not
[09:09] <jomep> anyone knows what the equivalent package in Ubuntu i for the debian package "libwxgtk2.4-dev" (need that for aMule)
[09:09] <crimsun> factorx: no new url
[09:09] <Nalioth> Kisain, i'm sure the website has a FAQ or you can type <command> --help
[09:09] <crimsun> jomep: same package name. It's in universe.
[09:10] <neville> slept: how do I know what kind of keyboard I have? (hotkeys...)
[09:10] <cikilin> hello
[09:10] <babaliciouse> gooday all
[09:10] <Nalioth> cikilin, howdy
[09:10] <gds> hello, there
[09:11] <babaliciouse> i'm hoping to find some help with wirless networking, anyone able here?
[09:11] <factorx> ah maybe theres some trouble with the rights in /var according to my repository problem, could that be?
[09:11] <slept> neville, start xev to find out the keycode - launch from terminal
[09:11] <cikilin> does anybody know with archive manager ?
[09:11] <crimsun> factorx: possibly but not likely
[09:11] <gds> Did you know the command "fuser -km /filesystem"?
[09:11] <crimsun> factorx: unless you modified something manually
[09:12] <gavriels> yay
[09:12] <cikilin> i cant open an archice rar
[09:12] <cikilin> archive
[09:12] <cikilin> help
[09:12] <tahorg> Razor-X: www.tahorg.net/grub-dvorak
[09:12] <gavriels> I got my ubuntu system running nicely with the SuSE 9.3 kernel rebuilt
[09:12] <hazzer123> lo all, ive had a look in your FAQs and I havent seen this question so here it goes.  I'm thinking about using Ubuntu but before i install I would like to know if it is easy to update to newer versions of ubuntu without burning the install disks each time. I think theres an apt-get tool can you just put a command into that and itll download and install all the updates and updated configurations?
[09:12] <crimsun> cikilin: install unrar-nonfree
[09:12] <tahorg> Razor-X: put it in your menu.lst
[09:13] <Nalioth> cikilin, do you have any rar tools installed?
[09:13] <Fator_Dee> hazzer123: you can update it with apt-get easily
[09:13] <cikilin> yes
[09:13] <cikilin> rar
[09:13] <slept> neville, then you can customize your one configuration just copy one of the .def files to mykey.def and edit it
[09:13] <cikilin> from ubuntu guide
[09:13] <hazzer123> Factor_Dee, sweet, and itll put all the new configurations too?
[09:13] <Nalioth> hazzer123, easy as pie to upgrade
[09:13] <babaliciouse> no wirless help here?
[09:13] <hazzer123> Nalioth: woo :)
[09:14] <Nalioth> babaliciouse, you have to be more specific
[09:14] <mcquaid> i don't really care about shadows or transparency but i always wanted vsync in X, i hate seeing tearing when moving windows
[09:14] <mcquaid> does xorg provide such functionality?
[09:14] <gds> Did you know the command "fuser -km /filesystem"?
[09:14] <crimsun> mcquaid: vsync is enabled by default
[09:14] <Nalioth> cikilin, you should be able to right-click in nautilus and get an "extract" command
[09:14] <orhs> what IS xorg?? (newbie here)
[09:14] <darius_> congrats to the ubuntu guys - this distro is great
[09:14] <cikilin> yes
[09:14] <cikilin> and it sais that can not
[09:14] <jomep> yes, i love it too
[09:15] <babaliciouse> i'm attempting to use my linksys wpc11 ver4 wirless card, and have been following the how to wiki but seem to be running into walls with each step
[09:15] <mcquaid> crimsun, not here, i see major tearing when dragging a window back n forth
[09:15] <Razor-X> how do I load the keymap into GRUB (sorry, was always a LILO person before)
[09:15] <crimsun> mcquaid: are you using hardware acceleration?
[09:15] <mcquaid> yep nvidia binaries
[09:15] <mcquaid> opengl, xv work fine with no tearing
[09:15] <factorx> crimsun:  seems the rights in /var are not the reason for my problem. any ideas? synaptic says it doesnt find some file or directory
[09:15] <babaliciouse> is linksys support in ubuntu
[09:16] <tahorg> Razor-X: I just said it to you
[09:16] <crimsun> mcquaid: are you using renderaccel?
[09:16] <mcquaid> yep
[09:17] <crimsun> then it's not a vsync issue, because the nvidia drivers enable vsync by default
[09:17] <tahorg> Razor-X: put the lines on top of your config file, usually /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:17] <mcquaid> since when?
[09:17] <crimsun> mcquaid: since always?
[09:17] <mcquaid> i've always had to enable vsync for opengl
[09:17] <klaym> what are the main differences between warty and hoary?
[09:17] <Meh1> need help with my lexmark x83 printer
[09:17] <Razor-X> tahorg: ok
[09:17] <mcquaid> and afaik, xfree never had for vsync in X
[09:17] <danko123456> can you access power management through the terminal?
[09:18] <neville> slept: where are these .def files?
[09:18] <mcquaid> thought i read it was a new feature in xorg
[09:18] <babaliciouse> if there is anyone that can do a step by step with me for getting linksys wpc11 ver.4 wirless card installed in ubuntu that would be so great
[09:18] <Meh1> please give me a hand
[09:18] <slept> neville, dpkg -L hotkeys
[09:18] <mcquaid> were talking about the same thing right, i'm not talking about xv having vsync, i'm talking about dragging windows around and seeing tearing
[09:18] <Meh1> I have tried to add it and it is not in the install list
[09:18] <factorx> my /var/lib/apt/lists does not contain "/var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages" ... where to get it ?
[09:19] <anto9us> babaliciouse: do you have a linux driver for the card?
[09:19] <crimsun> mcquaid: it has to be hardware-/configuration-specific, because I get nothing of that sort
[09:19] <babaliciouse> anto9us: i did download it
[09:19] <babaliciouse> but was reading that i needed ndiswrapper to install it
[09:20] <mcquaid> hmm i'll look into this
[09:20] <crimsun> factorx: enable the universe repo. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackages
[09:20] <danko123456> crimsun: can I access power management for my laptop through a terminal?
[09:20] <anto9us> babaliciouse: have you installed ndiswrapper?
[09:20] <crimsun> danko123456: yes
[09:20] <factorx> thank you crimsun
[09:21] <babaliciouse> anto9us : i downloaded it and then was attmepting to follow directions and kept getting errors
[09:21] <bad_mongo> does anyone use Opera? I have a problem with it. Is suddenly quit, with no presage..
[09:21] <anto9us> babaliciouse: what errors
[09:21] <anto9us> ?
[09:21] <babaliciouse> anto9us : i'll brb and get them with some more info, will u be on for a while
[09:21] <anto9us> maybe :)
[09:22] <danko123456> crimsun: whats the command then?
[09:22] <Meh1> please can anyone help me to get my lexmark x83 printer working
[09:22] <anto9us> babaliciouse: I got my wireless card working with ndiswrapper, different card to yours though
[09:22] <crimsun> danko123456: I don't use it, see the wiki
[09:23] <babaliciouse> anto9us : lol ;), if yo can be of some assitance i can make it worth your while ;), i'm following guidlines on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[09:23] <danko123456> k, thnakss
[09:24] <mcquaid> crimsun, just asked in #xorg, xorg does not currently do vsync in X but they are working on it
[09:24] <mcquaid> here's a thread discussing it
[09:24] <mcquaid> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2005-May/007679.html
[09:24] <flodine> anyone running E17
[09:24] <crimsun> mcquaid: that's ok, because apparently neither do the drivers by default. Sorry about the confusion.
[09:24] <flodine> that can help
[09:24] <anto9us> babaliciouse: what does ndiswrapper -l give you?
[09:24] <mcquaid> np
[09:24] <UnreA|L> how install game with cedega or load cedega in grapichal mode ?
[09:24] <klaym> hey what are the main differences between warty and hoary?
[09:25] <Meh1> pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:25] <flodine> can someone tell  me why soulmachine wont let me update
[09:25] <babaliciouse> anto9us : babaliciouse@lapa:/$ ndiswrapper -l
[09:25] <babaliciouse> ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory
[09:25] <babaliciouse> No drivers installed
[09:25] <babaliciouse> babaliciouse@lapa:/$
[09:26] <babaliciouse> obviously haven't got i\ndiswrapper installed poperly yet
[09:26] <UnreA|L> how install game with cedega or load cedega in grapichal mode ?
[09:26] <server> Meh1: cups
[09:26] <Meh1> what
[09:26] <server> localhost:901
[09:26] <server> http://www.cups.org/
[09:26] <anto9us> babaliciouse: type ndiswrapper -i <location of your .inf>
[09:26] <Kisain> anyone know how to disable dpms in kubuntu?
[09:27] <UnreA|L> how install game with cedega or load cedega in grapichal mode ?
[09:27] <Kisain> i went to that channel and there help sucks
[09:27] <babaliciouse> anto9us : u mean the .inf from the downloaded driver???
[09:27] <UnreA|L> please tel mee
[09:27] <anto9us> babaliciouse: yes
[09:27] <bad_mongo> does anyone here actually use Opera?
[09:28] <Meh1> does anyone know how to get the lexmark x83 printer working in ubuntu linux 4.10
[09:28] <server> lol
[09:28] <server> Meh1: what have you done so far?
[09:28] <Meh1> nothing
[09:28] <carlos_> que
[09:28] <server> wow
[09:28] <carlos_> l
[09:28] <Meh1> exept install the os
[09:28] <server> perls irc motto..dont ask just to ask
[09:29] <babaliciouse> anto9us : these are the files in the directory i unpacked for the linux drivers i found which file would it be thats needed
[09:29] <babaliciouse> babaliciouse@lapa:~/windows_drivers/rtl8180_1.5$ ls
[09:29] <babaliciouse> Makefile        r8180_if.c        r8180_pci_init.h  rls_note_1124  wlandrv_release_note
[09:29] <babaliciouse> priv_part.o     r8180_if.h        r8180_type.h      rtl8180_24x.o  wlanup
[09:29] <babaliciouse> r8180_export.h  r8180_pci_init.c  readme            wlandown
[09:29] <babaliciouse> babaliciouse@lapa:~/windows_drivers/rtl8180_1.5$
[09:29] <Meh1> I have the printer i need it to work so i can print my prjects
[09:29] <carlos_> some body speack spanish
[09:30] <Meh1> i speak spanglis
[09:30] <flodine> can someone help me in english
[09:30] <anto9us> babaliciouse: they look like source files to me
[09:30] <flodine> why cant i download from soulmachine
[09:30] <flodine> hello
[09:31] <flodine> is it locked
[09:31] <carlos_> mehl  can yu help me
[09:31] <Meh1> can anyone help me with my lexmark and please leave the jokes to your self i am a first time user
[09:31] <babaliciouse> anto9u : so i got the wrong ones then??? i had read somewhere about needing the windows drivers, should i have gotten those
[09:32] <Choubaka> pssh, helpless newbies. :( Sometimes you wish everyone was an expert at everything.
[09:32] <Meh1> carlos with what
[09:32] <flodine> its never been like this
[09:32] <anto9us> babaliciouse: yes, the windows drivers are required for ndiswrapper
[09:32] <flodine> i cant get help
[09:33] <Meh1> neather can i
[09:33] <babaliciouse> anto9us : okie , i'll go get 'em, in the mean time - is this information relative - does it mean ubuntu does not support my card??? heres the info
[09:33] <babaliciouse> Card: Linksys WPC11 v.4 -- link here
[09:33] <babaliciouse> Chipset: Realtek RTL8180L
[09:33] <babaliciouse> pciid: 10ec:8180 (rev 20)
[09:33] <babaliciouse> Driver: Don't use driver that ships with card. Use driver for RTL8180L for Windows XP from http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?Keyword=8180
[09:33] <babaliciouse> Other:The Realtek driver mentioned above works only with the 16KB stack kernels. I got mine for Fedora Core 3 from Linuxant.
[09:33] <erpel> hi
[09:33] <anto9us> Choubaka: you should try my local pub
[09:34] <tenchi21> hi
[09:34] <ThomasWinwood> babaliciouse: It means Ubuntu doesn't have a driver for your card. Because of ndiswrapper this doesn't mean that there's no support.
[09:34] <tenchi21> can someone help me with getting ubuntu to boot on an older laptop (doesn't boot from cdrom)
[09:34] <anto9us> babaliciouse: I don't know, best try and see
[09:35] <ThomasWinwood> tenchi21: If memory serves correctly you can make boot floppies which run the necessary gubbins on the CD for you.
[09:35] <tjoe> if my wireless lan card is in device manager, does that mean i dont need ndiswrapper
[09:35] <carlos_> I whant a information in spanish about ubuntu do you know where i fund ?
[09:35] <erpel> do you have any idea what could cause all video-players to show the video but not give the sound? gnome systemsounds mp3 everything works but vlc for example just does not have sound. no error message or something
[09:35] <ThomasWinwood> carlos: #ubuntu-es
[09:35] <babaliciouse> ThomasWinwood : ty , i'm off to get windows drivers
[09:35] <ThomasWinwood> babaliciouse: You're welcome.
[09:35] <josh42> can anyone tell me how to install the java plugin I need to view: http://zombies.insertdisc.com/mattcordes/
[09:35] <josh42> (a64)
[09:36] <babaliciouse> anto9us : ty, i'll be back ;)
[09:36] <josh42> erpel; are they all set to use the same sound library? (oss, etc)
[09:36] <anto9us> tjoe: device manager lists things it doesn't know how to work
[09:36] <Meh1> please someone help me so as i can finish my projects for tomorow I am in a big bundle of shit if i dont have this printed
[09:36] <carlos_> what? tomaswinwood
[09:37] <danko123451> crimsun: when you read something like   Known to NOT work: sleep/suspend, for your laptop, then you know it does not work, right?
[09:37] <ThomasWinwood> Mehl: Please state the nature of the technical emergency.
[09:37] <tjoe> anto9us: so since my card is not dectected in network gui, maybe i should try ndiswrapper, right?
[09:37] <anto9us> tjoe: worked for me :)
[09:37] <ThomasWinwood> carlos: /join #ubuntu-es for Spanish support for Ubuntu.
[09:37] <tenchi21> ThomasWinwood: i don't see any diskette images
[09:38] <Meh1> lexmark x93 not working on ununtu linux 4.10 please find solution
[09:38] <tjoe> anto9us: I have a azerus wireless lan pcimini, what kind do you have?
[09:38] <ThomasWinwood> tenchi21: I don't believe there's a diskette image - you make the boot disk yourself.
[09:38] <carlos_> any bady spek spanish
[09:38] <erpel> i can't find a setup like this but in the "multimedia-system" preferences enty the sound test only works at the first entry.. i have a german version so i don't know what the second one is called
[09:38] <ThomasWinwood> carlos: Please go to the channel #ubuntu-es for Spanish support.
[09:38] <anto9us> tjoe: dell truemobile 1450
[09:38] <danko123451>  carlos: /join #ubuntu-es for Spanish support for Ubuntu.
[09:38] <carlos_> ok
[09:38] <tjoe> ok
[09:39] <tjoe> anto9us: The only driver is win xp executable, should i just pull the driver ini files out of windows directory?
[09:39] <ThomasWinwood> Mehl: Can you not upgrade to Hoary?
[09:39] <anto9us> tjoe: that worked for me too :)
[09:39] <spidna> i have linksys wireless that ubuntu did not detect any idea how to get this working
[09:39] <tjoe> anto9us: thanks ill be back
[09:40] <Meh1> how
[09:40] <klaym> what are the good things I'll get when upgrading from warty to hoary?
[09:40] <erpel> @ josh42 this started with upgrading to hoary, if that's important
[09:40] <babaliciouse> k, i'm assuming by the following output that my driver is installed??? now what
[09:40] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -i /home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers
[09:40] <babaliciouse> Installing windows_drivers
[09:40] <babaliciouse> cp: omitting directory `/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers'
[09:40] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers # /home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers
[09:40] <babaliciouse> bash: /home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers: is a directory
[09:40] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -i /home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers
[09:40] <babaliciouse> windows_drivers is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[09:40] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers #
[09:40] <Elsidox> does anyone know where i can get gimpshop for ubuntu?
[09:40] <ThomasWinwood> Mehl: RTFW. :) I believe the forum handles that question.
[09:41] <Meh1> can you tell me how to upgrade to harthy
[09:41] <factorx> why does mount /media/xyz undo my chmod changes to /media/xyz if i added "users" option to /etc/fstab?
[09:41] <josh42> erpel; could be.. what I'm thinking is the one of them works with your soundcard (there are like 4 audio backends in hoary), and your video software is using the wrong one
[09:41] <anto9us> babaliciouse: ndiswrapper -l should list the drivers now
[09:41] <ThomasWinwood> Mehl: Search the forums - it handles common complaints about such things as upgrading to Hoary.
[09:41] <erpel> there is a manual on the site, but i would not do it, it broke much of my system
[09:41] <josh42> erpel; try checking the audio config for whatever app it is
[09:41] <josh42> ?? restricted
[09:42] <erpel> i tried the test with all systems no one worked
[09:42] <babaliciouse> uh oh!!! this is what i get
[09:42] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -l
[09:42] <babaliciouse> Installed ndis drivers:
[09:42] <babaliciouse> rtl8180_1.5     invalid driver!
[09:42] <babaliciouse> windows_drivers invalid driver!
[09:42] <josh42> erpel; then I have no idea - sry
[09:42] <erpel> k
[09:42] <neighborlee> where is the ubuntu package page ( simialr to debians own) ??
[09:42] <josh42> ?? ubuntu
[09:42] <babaliciouse> oops, probably will help if i pointed right to the inf file - sorry
[09:42] <babaliciouse> brb
[09:43] <ThomasWinwood> neighborlee: Synaptic lists all packages on the repositories you use.
[09:43] <josh42> Is '??' broken?
[09:43] <danko123451> what do these terms mean... Suspend to RAM,  Suspend to disk?
[09:43] <neighborlee> ThomasWinwood, yes I know..I need the website cause atm im not in linux
[09:43] <neighborlee> ;)
[09:43] <blueyed> What's used during startup to set the network routes? "ifup -an --force" here says that it would use dhclient3.. is dhclient3 then responsible for setting up the routes?
[09:43] <ThomasWinwood> neighborlee: I don't think there IS a HTTP-based list, sorry.
[09:43] <josh42> danoko123451: Suspend to ram means pause the computer, and store the memory.. suspend to disk writes that memory to the hard drive
[09:43] <neighborlee> ThomasWinwood, nope there is I just dont remember url ;-))
[09:43] <erpel> mplayer said the ??-system is used, then i changed something
[09:44] <neighborlee> ThomasWinwood, seems its WELL hidden LOL
[09:44] <babaliciouse> anto9us : i think i did something wrong heres my output
[09:44] <UnreA|L> where i can find  game launcher who was installed with cedega in gnome ?
[09:44] <josh42> danoko123451: Basically; STR means standby, Ssuspend to disk means shutdown
[09:44] <danko123451> josh42: I want to try putting my laptop to sleep...
[09:44] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -l
[09:44] <babaliciouse> Installed ndis drivers:
[09:44] <babaliciouse> et8180  invalid driver!
[09:44] <babaliciouse> rtl8180_1.5     invalid driver!
[09:44] <babaliciouse> windows_drivers invalid driver!
[09:44] <anto9us> babaliciouse: did you point to the .inf file?
[09:44] <josh42> danoko123451: Suspend to RAM is what you want: quickest to start up again
[09:45] <babaliciouse> yeah, the et8180 is the one
[09:45] <danko123451> josh42: Wiki says it is possible on my laptop, how do I go about it?
[09:45] <UnreA|L> where i can find  game launcher who was installed with cedega in gnome ?
[09:45] <danko123451> josh42: is it something I have to add to my bootloader?
[09:45] <babaliciouse> anto9us : ggrrrr, sorry, just being blonde, i think i got it
[09:46] <babaliciouse> anto9us : here it is
[09:46] <tenchi21> so there is no generic diskette file to use to boot?
[09:46] <babaliciouse> root@lapa:/home/babaliciouse/windows_drivers # ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers:
[09:46] <babaliciouse> et8180  invalid driver!
[09:46] <babaliciouse> net8180 driver present
[09:46] <babaliciouse> rtl8180_1.5     invalid driver!
[09:46] <babaliciouse> windows_drivers invalid driver!
[09:46] <babaliciouse> how do i get rid of the invalids
[09:46] <anto9us> cool, you have a net8180 driver present
[09:47] <babaliciouse> yeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:47] <anto9us> babaliciouse: I've no idea
[09:47] <goldfish> babaliciouse: -e option
[09:47] <nate_> ok, i'm back
[09:47] <nate_> have no fear
[09:47] <nate_> anyone have a cool program i can play with?  I have a little free time
[09:47] <neighborlee> ThomasWinwood, damn thing is well hidden but I found it :: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:47] <babaliciouse> goldfish : -e and then what, jsut the name in the list?
[09:48] <babaliciouse> anto9us : so now it's there , whats next?
[09:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> Ever see OpenOffice not print to a printer while any other progam prints fine?
[09:48] <server> yep!
[09:48] <goldfish> babaliciouse: ndiswrapper -l , lists them, -e whatevernameisinlistthere
[09:48] <server> flyingsquirrel..i hate that
[09:48] <anto9us> now you need to make sure you have the wireless tools installed
[09:48] <babaliciouse> ty goldfish
[09:48] <server> it started out of no where..but its working for me now
[09:48] <ThomasWinwood> neighborlee: Thanks.
[09:48] <anto9us> babaliciouse: type iwconfig wlan0
[09:49] <babaliciouse> anto9u: i'll have to disconnect and insert my wireless card, is a reboot best?
[09:49] <goldfish> babaliciouse: no problem. man ndiswrapper explains it all.
[09:49] <neighborlee> ThomasWinwood, yup...
[09:50] <DaBlade> hello
[09:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> where can I trouble shoot that? no errors, appears in the queue, goes away, but nothing action on the printer at all.
[09:50] <DaBlade> How do I make KDE the default booting desktop?
[09:50] <goldfish> hi DaBlade
[09:50] <babaliciouse> goldfish: ty
[09:50] <babaliciouse> i'll have to do some rfm'ing ;)
[09:50] <goldfish> DaBlade: Have you installed it?
[09:50] <anto9us> babaliciouse: best to make sure you have everything you need if you're dependant on it working
[09:50] <danko123451> josh42: you sure suspend to ram is to put your computer to sleep? its not jjust when youlet it sit, it hibernates?
[09:50] <goldfish> babaliciouse: hehe
[09:50] <DaBlade> Yes I have. Talking to you guys now through Konversation
[09:51] <babaliciouse> anto9us: what else might i need?
[09:51] <anto9us> apt-get install wireless-tools
[09:51] <goldfish> DaBlade: at the login screen click sessions, mark kde, it will ask you do you want to make default login....
[09:51] <mcquaid> DaBlade, in gdm if you choose anything other than the defualt it will ask you just for this session or make default
[09:51] <Madeye> My CPU is 2.6, but its underclocked giving only 2.00 , How to make ti works as its supposed to ?
[09:51] <mcquaid> in kdm i can't remember but something similar
[09:52] <DaBlade> gdm? I set KDM to the default when I installed KDE'
[09:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> also, how do I get my laptop to stay away while I'm watching a movie in totem
[09:52] <goldfish> ah right
[09:52] <babaliciouse> anto9us: i think i got wireless-tools already, gotto rfm to see what all it can do for me i guess
[09:52] <klaym> what does this parameter do after a 'tar' command: -C /opt/ ?
[09:52] <mcquaid> ok what login manager do you see on bootup gdm or kdm?
[09:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> also, how do I get my laptop to stay *awake* while I'm watching a movie in totem
[09:52] <DaBlade> kdm
[09:52] <mcquaid> should really only have one or the other installed
[09:52] <Fish-Face> Hi, I'm trying out BMP, but so far can't get this InfoPipe patch to work properly. The patched source compiles, but the .so isn't recognised by BMP
[09:52] <ThomasWinwood> klaym: man tar
[09:52] <honta> Question, i have hoary installed on laptop, how will i get XP Pro onto it too?
[09:53] <danko123451> here goes...does anyone have any clues at all as to where I could look for a way to make my laptop go to sleep when I close it, instead of shutting down?
[09:53] <honta> any tools that will make it easy ?
[09:53] <anto9us> babaliciouse: basically, you'll need to configure your essid and key if you have one mine is as follows...
[09:53] <Fish-Face> (I've tried it in /usr/lib/bmp/General and in /home/.bmp/Plugins/General)
[09:53] <ThomasWinwood> honta: you need to partition correctly first.
[09:53] <mcquaid> ok sorry i haven't used kdm in awhile, can't recall where you make a change as to which environment is the default
[09:53] <honta> ThomasWinwood, anyways to do it now'can  i use say.. cfdisk or gparted ?
[09:53] <mikail> i'm a total noob at this but i got a question....how do i change permissions of a folder that i can edit/delete it?
[09:53] <josh42> danoko123451: Yes; sleep - It stops all processes and keeps the memory the way it is - no screen, no processing until you tell it to come back
[09:53] <SamHill> Question : how can i resize a disk partition?
[09:53] <DaBlade> mcquaid, I got a popup with the debian logo when installing the KDE packages in synaptic
[09:54] <anto9us> babaliciouse: iwconfig wlan0 essid Home key restricted s:password
[09:54] <ThomasWinwood> honta: No. You need to install Windows first so GRUB detects the Windows installation rather than Windows' own bootstrap overwriting GRUB.
[09:54] <danko123451> josh42: how about when I close the laptop, where is it regulated what it does then?
[09:54] <goldfish> mikail: chmod
[09:54] <honta> ThomasWinwood, grrrr
[09:54] <anto9us> babaliciouse: then I type; dhclient wlan0 and it's up and running
[09:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> mikail: if you want to delete, you might as well use chmod 777 filename
[09:54] <mcquaid> mikail, chmod or launch nautilus as root and right click on it
[09:54] <babaliciouse> anto9us: just so i'm clear, is it fair to say i will not be able to do an iwconfig on wlan0 untill i physically have the device in the machine
[09:54] <honta> is it easy , can grub automagically do it when it detects winblows ?
[09:54] <mikail> thanks
[09:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> mikail: that gives full rights to everyone on the file.
[09:55] <mcquaid> unfortunately, nautilus can't change permissions recursively, for that i just use xfe
[09:55] <anto9us> babaliciouse: yes
[09:55] <mcquaid> they have to fix that in naut
[09:55] <mcquaid> DaBlade, i'm not sure waht you mean by you got the debian logo during the install
[09:55] <babaliciouse> anto9us: and is it also fair to say that now that ndiswrapper sees the driver - on a reboot with the card in the slot - ubuntu will see the card
[09:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> mikail: try typing "man chmod" to get more info about how to use the command
[09:56] <anto9us> babaliciouse: yes
[09:56] <slept> honta, you can install windows , boot from a livecd  , chroot in your system , mount /proc, run grub-install
[09:56] <DaBlade> When it downloaded the packages, I got a popup asking me whether I wanna use KDM or GDM
[09:56] <DaBlade> I saw the Debian logo on it
[09:56] <factorx> what else do i need for rhythmbox mp3 support? gstreamer-mad seems not to be sufficient
[09:56] <anto9us> babaliciouse: you may need to do ndiswrapper -m so the module is automagically loaded on reboot
[09:56] <babaliciouse> anto9us : u'r my hero ;) *giggles*, ty i'll come back and let you know how i made out
[09:56] <honta> slept, no cd-rom lol..
[09:56] <babaliciouse> lol@automagically
[09:56] <anto9us> babaliciouse: good luck :)
[09:56] <honta> had to install on another laptop then carry it over
[09:56] <Bauhn> can anyone help me with listening to webradio, i cant get it working in XMMS.. in private plz
[09:56] <slept> floppy ?
[09:57] <SamHill> thanks
[09:57] <slept> honta, how do you install windows then ?
[09:57] <babaliciouse> nothing like techdudes helpin out a tekchic, so cool
[09:57] <DaBlade> so what do I do?
[09:58] <anto9us> babaliciouse: how else do we get to chat to women?
[09:58] <DaBlade> lol
[09:58] <slept> honta , you have both installed now win and linux ?
[09:58] <babaliciouse> *giggles* - anyone from good ol' SA here?
[09:58] <danko123451> noone has a clue, hey? I want to figure out how to make my laptop go to sleep instead of shutting down when I close it...Wiki says that it is possible to suspend to RAM on my machine...
[09:59] <mindmedic> hey?
[09:59] <DaBlade> hey
[09:59] <mindmedic> lol
[09:59] <anto9us> danko123451: take a look at  /etc/default/acpi-support
[10:00] <DaBlade> Can someone tell me how to make KDM boot KDE by default, not gnome?
[10:00] <transgress> DaBlade: does it not ask when you change sessions?
[10:00] <danko123451> no such thing here:)
[10:00] <DaBlade> I can do it manually, but I don't wanna have to do that. I usually used autologin on KDE, but now it autologins on Gnome
[10:01] <goldfish> ASL ?
[10:01] <goldfish> :)
[10:01] <DaBlade> something I don't want
[10:01] <DaBlade> ASL@who?
[10:01] <anto9us> danko123451: you need to install acpi-support
[10:01] <factorx> why doesnt rhythmbox play mp3 files although i installed gstreamer-mad?
[10:01] <danko123451> thank you!
[10:01] <danko123451> let me see....
[10:01] <DaBlade> factorx: Do the following:
[10:01] <transgress> DaBlade: but if you don't do autologin, go to sessions, choose kde, and then go to login it should say "You have changed sessions, would you like to make it the default"
[10:01] <DaBlade> Get Synaptic
[10:01] <DaBlade> install everything that has to do with Xine
[10:01] <DaBlade> then install amaroK
[10:01] <DaBlade> And enjoy your MP3s ;)
[10:02] <kkathman> howdy DaBlade :)
[10:02] <resiak> DaBlade: That's really not at all helpful, as you well know.
[10:02] <danko123451> factorx: get w32codecs, and gstreamer-*
[10:02] <DaBlade> hi kkathman
[10:02] <manu> hello, I have a little graphic problem : I installed properly nvidia drivers from ubuntu sources, I can play enemy territory, all is fine, but when I close the game, my screen stays on 800x600, it's a little bit annoying, an idea someone ?
[10:02] <DaBlade> resiak: Well I don't use Gstreamer, but I still tried giving advice ;)
[10:02] <factorx> DaBlade:  amarok is fine but i want to try rhythbox as well, thx anyway ;)
[10:02] <factorx> danko123451:  thx, i will try
[10:02] <transgress> factorx: or just try re-emerging rhythmbox instead of having to pull in half of kde to get amarok
[10:02] <Bauhn> i'm using dualboot with ubuntu and windows.. what's that program called where i choose OS.. and where is it located?
[10:02] <DaBlade> re-emerging? isn't emerge some gentoo-only stuff?
[10:03] <transgress> Bauhn: grub, /boot
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> Bauhn: grup /boot/grub/
[10:03] <Fator_Dee> *grub
[10:03] <danko123451> anto9us: do you ahppen to know which repository it is in?
[10:03] <resiak> factorx: I presume you restarted rhythmbox after installing gstreamer-mad ?
[10:03] <Bauhn> transgress, Fator_Dee; thx
[10:03] <transgress> np
[10:03] <factorx> of course i did, resiak
[10:03] <danko123451> but of course
[10:03] <mcquaid> i want to try making some deb packages for ubuntu, can i use debian src packages to make a ubuntu package?
[10:04] <resiak> mcquaid: Yes, probably.
[10:04] <resiak> factorx: You say that, but not everyone does.
[10:04] <factorx> resiak: youre right. sorry :)
[10:04] <mcquaid> any good guide on doing this?
[10:04] <spidna> how do i create a shortcut of command terminal on the desktop
[10:04] <DaBlade> transgress: is there a way to change it from say Kcontrol? So I don't have to reboot
[10:04] <mcquaid> i'm reading the debian maintainers guide and it talks about starting from source, but if i can skip that step and use their source packages it would be nice
[10:05] <transgress> DaBlade: getting into kdm doesn't require a reboot ever
[10:05] <honta> slept just hoary
[10:05] <anto9us> danko123451: I've no idea how to check
[10:05] <danko123451> anto9us: there is a packag called sleepd...that I could isntall.
[10:05] <DaBlade> transgress: but I still have to abort everything I'm doing
[10:05] <danko123451> i dont have it in synaptic,..acpi-support
[10:05] <danko123451> im on a PPC...
[10:05] <anto9us> danko123451: I don't have sleepd
[10:05] <nate_> is there a way i can install something from the hoary cd without having the cd, like a repo or something?
[10:06] <transgress> DaBlade: i don't see a way... i'm sure there is a text file to hack somewhere that could pull it off, but i'm not sure what
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> nate_: everything that is on the cd is on the repos
[10:06] <nate_> Fator_Dee: its asking for my cd, how can i disable that?
[10:06] <danko123451> anto9us: I am on a PPC, I guess its a bit different.
[10:06] <danko123451> Im gonna go update
[10:06] <DaBlade> transgress: in Fedora Core 3 it was /etc/sysconfig/desktop, but it doesn't exist here, so I don't know :/
[10:06] <anto9us> danko123451: I've had acpi sleep working succesfully, I broke it today when I got direct rendering for my radeon card working though. It goes to sleep, but locks with a trashed screen on wakeup
[10:06] <Fator_Dee> nate_: comment the cd out from /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:06] <danko123451> ahhh
[10:06] <danko123451> heh
[10:06] <danko123451> I remember now
[10:07] <seraphiel> does anybody know what package provides ft2build.h?
[10:07] <slept> honta , so install windows on/from  that  other machine, and then reinstall grub
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> nate_: put # on front of the cd-line and then apt-get update
[10:07] <nate_> Fator_Dee: thanks
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> nate_: or you can remove the cd-line
[10:07] <slept> honta, but you might not need windows I think
[10:07] <nate_> Fator_Dee: I know :)
[10:07] <Fator_Dee> good :-)
[10:08] <hawke_> seraphiel: I don't know that anything does..
[10:09] <erpel> can ext3 partitons be resized without loosing the data?
[10:09] <seraphiel> hawke, I need it to compile e17,you see.
[10:10] <hawke_> erpel: yes, as long as you don't need to move the beginning of the partition
[10:10] <anto9us> erpel: yes, backup your really important stuff though
[10:10] <seraphiel> hawke, I have it, but e17 can`t find it :(
[10:10] <hawke_> erpel: assuming you meant losing rather than loosing.  If you actually meant loosing, I have no idea what you mean.
[10:11] <matt1987> anyone know how to use blueth on ubuntu
[10:11] <hawke_> seraphiel: ah, well then that's a matter of passing gcc the right -I parameter...I think.
[10:11] <matt1987> bluetooth*
[10:11] <xvlun> matt1987, install gnome-bluetooth?
[10:11] <matt1987> ok
[10:11] <xvlun> matt1987, btw. depends...
[10:11] <factorx> danko123451: i installed gstreamer-* (and a package called w32codecs or sth like that seems not to exist) but rhythmbox still does not play mp3 files. other ideas?
[10:12] <honta> slept , coole
[10:12] <danko123451> matt1987: I use a bluetooth mouse, just pnp
[10:12] <matt1987> ok
[10:12] <hawke_> factorx: you need gstreamer-mad
[10:12] <Kawa> factorx what does xmms do ?
[10:12] <Kawa> factorx ah ;)
[10:12] <danko123451> w32codecs dont exist?
[10:12] <seraphiel> hawke_, it seems I`m missing ftheader.h , instead
[10:12] <slept> honta , that you might not need windows at all ?
[10:12] <factorx> hawke: i already installed gstreamer-mad
[10:13] <factorx> Kawa: i dont knot, i didnt install xmms. i want to try rhythmbox ;)
[10:13] <factorx> -t+w
[10:13] <Kawa> factorx tried to change oss to alsa or vice versa for rythmbox
[10:14] <matt1987> how do i make it use my bluetooth adapter
[10:14] <hawke_> seraphiel: that's in libfreetype6-dev
[10:15] <hawke_> factorx: does it allow you to add mp3 files to the playlist?
[10:15] <x_or> I tried running sudo cdrecord -scanbus and it complains that it cannot open /dev/pg*.  How do I investigate fixing this?
[10:15] <crimsun> x_or: don't use scanbus
[10:15] <x_or> Oh, OK.
[10:15] <factorx> hawke: no it doesnt
[10:15] <crimsun> x_or: just use the /dev/hdX directly
[10:16] <x_or> Ah. OK.
[10:16] <factorx> hawke: or is it a fs problem?
[10:16] <x_or> So, for example, what is the command to burn a ubuntu ISO?
[10:16] <x_or> My CDR is /dev/hdc
[10:16] <hawke_> factorx: probably not, in that case.  Do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed, as well as gstreamer-mad?
[10:17] <crimsun> x_or: presuming you're using cli, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc ...
[10:17] <whiteknight> hey everyone
[10:17] <danko123451> hi
[10:17] <x_or> crimsun:  Yeah, I prefer command line.  I don't need to specify anything to write it raw, it seems.
[10:18] <factorx> hawke_: there is no gstreamer-mad. only the gstreamer0.8-mad, that I already installed.
[10:18] <hawke_> factorx: well, that's theoretically all you need.
[10:19] <hawke_> factorx: it should be enough to at least load the files.
[10:19] <factorx> hawke_: I even dont think it is a fs problem because something stupid like cat *.mp3 is actually working
[10:19] <hawke_> factorx: I agree.
[10:20] <babaliciouse> anto9us: ummmm, i rebooted with wirless card in and attmepted the iwconfig and heres what i got
[10:20] <babaliciouse> babaliciouse@lapa:~$ iwconfig wlan0
[10:20] <babaliciouse> wlan0     No such device
[10:20] <hawke_> babaliciouse: It may be an eth* device, not wlan
[10:21] <babaliciouse> hawke_: how can i know
[10:21] <hawke_> babaliciouse: do 'ifconfig -a'
[10:21] <hawke_> babaliciouse: see what devices are listed.
[10:21] <babaliciouse> k
[10:21] <anto9us> babaliciouse: you may need to start with modprobe ndiswrapper to make sure the module is loaded
[10:22] <babaliciouse> so jsut ndiswrapper modprobe on command line ???
[10:23] <steved> baba: what wireless card you trying to set up ?
[10:23] <Kawa> factorx: have a look here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31701
[10:23] <anto9us> no, modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:23] <factorx> hawke_: btw, xmms plays mp3 files trouble-free...
[10:23] <anto9us> you can set it to automatically load on startup by typing ndiswrapper -m
[10:23] <babaliciouse> steved: linksys wpc11 ver4, anot9us helped me use ndiswrapper to put in the drivers
[10:23] <hawke_> Can anyone tell me why X would be loading my compose definitions from the iso8859-1 locale instead of UTF-8?
[10:24] <babaliciouse> anto9us : sorry i forgot to do the magic part
[10:24] <AndyR> lo all
[10:24] <anto9us> babaliciouse: that will be it then :)
[10:24] <AndyR> another brit :)
[10:24] <babaliciouse> ggrrrrrrrr, blonde i tell ya , blonde ;)
[10:24] <firefly2442> is there a way to do a minimal install of ubuntu in the setup?
[10:24] <steved> baba: I have just been fighting with my linksys thats why i was interested :) seems to work well once i had the right windows drivers, the ones that came with the card on cd didnt work
[10:25] <nate_> ls
[10:25] <nate_> oops, wrong window
[10:25] <babaliciouse> steved: yeah i read you needed to get them from the web instead, i followed the ubuntu wiki
[10:25] <slept> firefly2442, server - base system
[10:25] <anto9us> you're on plusnet are you AndyR?
[10:26] <steved> baba: thats what i used you also have to make sure you change RadioState to 0 as well before you modprobe it
[10:26] <firefly2442> slept: is this under hoary?  I've only tried warty
[10:26] <factorx> Kawa: thank you, but the thread didnt help me to fix my problem
[10:26] <babaliciouse> steved: where do i change RadioState
[10:26] <Stuttergart> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxsmallbiz/overview.html
[10:26] <tenchi21> can someone tell me what boot floppy i need to load ubuntu (no cdrom boot option on my pc)
[10:26] <Stuttergart> oops
[10:26] <AndyR> anto9us, yes
[10:26] <Stuttergart> I'm running winbindd with Samba 3.x
[10:27] <Stuttergart> and I can get the domain users and groups with wbinfo
[10:27] <steved> baba: there are 4 files in /etc/ndiswrapper/.... that you need to change
[10:27] <Stuttergart> but not with getent
[10:27] <anto9us> AndyR: how do you rate them?
[10:27] <Stuttergart> even though my nsswitch.conf has the winbind entries.
[10:27] <AndyR> anto9us, I think they are brill
[10:27] <babaliciouse> steved: 4 files - goodness - all this so i can sit in my living room and become a linux genious ;), what r the files
[10:28] <babaliciouse> can't even spell genius...lol
[10:28] <AndyR> anto9us, thinking of leaving ntl?
[10:28] <steved> baba: just checked my card i have a WPC54G so it might be slightly different :) and i dont remember the files you will have to have a look at them all in the directory
[10:28] <anto9us> AndyR: no, was thinking of moving my mum from tiscali
[10:28] <steved> baba: havent got my laptop on at the mo
[10:28] <slept> firefly2442, don't know if it works with hoary - did you try ? just enter at the beginning . But if you want a minimal installation why don't you use debian ?
[10:29] <babaliciouse> steved: ok, so RadioState appears in all 4 files, what does this do exactly
[10:29] <steved> baba: not sure ;)
[10:29] <firefly2442> slept: well, I guess it doesn't matter, I'm downloading both right now just in case, I'll give it a shot, thanks :)
[10:29] <steved> baba: just everything i read about my particular card said to change it to 0
[10:30] <babaliciouse> steved: thanx, i'll check it out
[10:30] <babaliciouse> anto9us: your favourite tekchic will BRB ;), with magic working
[10:30] <dave_> I'm sure I'm just missing something but how can I add an application to the applications menu?
[10:31] <anto9us> good luck my favourite little tekchick :)
[10:34] <steved> baba: been looking around the internet for info on your card no one mentions changing the RadioState so might have given you duff info there
[10:34] <mishof> unmount /cdrom tells me the device is busy, how can i check which app uses it ?
[10:34] <steved> baba: might be just for the newer 54G cards
[10:34] <nate_> mishof: i think your desktop is likely the culprit
[10:34] <jackmacokc> what kind of card you guys talking about
[10:34] <mishof> nate_, what should i do then?
[10:34] <nate_> mishof: try ejecting it from the desktop
[10:34] <nate_> mishof: right-click it
[10:34] <slept> I'm looking for a nice waste of time , any ideas ?
[10:35] <nate_> slept: setup ssh securely
[10:35] <firefly2442> slept: windows :)
[10:35] <nate_> slept: and forward ports
[10:35] <slept> nate_, not complete waste of time
[10:35] <Luxh> firefly2442 :P
[10:35] <mishof> nate_, it fails, any other ideas?
[10:36] <nate_> slept: thats true, quite useful
[10:36] <nate_> mishof: no idea then, sorry
[10:36] <firefly2442> slept: mythtv is the next project I want to tackle, anybody else try it?
[10:36] <blueyed> Any ideas what might be wrong? # route add -net 127.0.0.0
[10:36] <blueyed> SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
[10:37] <slept> something more impressing, like mplayer aalib
[10:38] <nate_> slept: try converting from avi to mpeg without losing a non-standard aspect ratio
[10:38] <nate_> slept: then tell me how
[10:39] <firefly2442> slept: wanna write a paper for me? I'm a procrastinator ;)
[10:40] <slept> firefly2442, , whats a procrastinator ?
[10:40] <firefly2442> slept: I'll wait to the last minute to do it, probably tonight around 10:00pm :)
[10:40] <firefly2442> slept: it's due tomorrow
[10:40] <pixman> lo
[10:42] <slept> mishof, lsof
[10:42] <firefly2442> slept: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=procrastinator
[10:42] <Fator_Dee> lsof | grep /media/cdrom/ or whatever
[10:43] <firefly2442> well, off to my paper, bye :)
[10:44] <slept> just added 3ddesktop-function on my multimedia-keyboard
[10:44] <mishof> Q: what is gam_server ?? it always uses my cdrom drive, and once i kill it it comes up again >:(
[10:46] <slept> mishof,   less /usr/share/doc/gamin/README
[10:47] <slept> mishof did you sudo umount your cdrom
[10:47] <larshhh> a question, anyone have experience with "configure-thinkpad"?
[10:48] <mishof> slept, i was able to do that after i used pkill -9 on gam_server
[10:48] <mishof> Now to the real issue im having:
[10:49] <mishof> I've burned a dvd under windows. in that i have some folders, and inside one of them is a hidden folder and files in it. In windows/mandrake i can see that hidden folder, but under ubuntu i cant ...
[10:50] <anto9us> mishof: have you shown hidden files?
[10:50] <slept> mishof, how do you hide a folder under windows ?
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> mishof: ctrl+h in nautilus and ls -a in terminal won't work?
[10:51] <mishof> Fator_Dee, anto9us: that doesnt help
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> mysterious :-o
[10:51] <mishof> slept, i pick "hidden" in properties ..
[10:52] <babaliciouse> anto9us: i'm happy to announce that wlan0 is showing up in ifconfig -a
[10:52] <steved> baba: nice one
[10:52] <seraphiel> has anyone here got e17 to work in ubuntu?
[10:52] <anto9us> babaliciouse: cool!
[10:52] <babaliciouse> anto9u: unfortunately have no wireless router in the building - will have to ait till i get home to check out the link
[10:53] <steved> babaliciouse: have you tried iwlist
[10:53] <babaliciouse> steved: thanks goes to you all
[10:53] <anto9us> babaliciouse: well done and good luck when you get home :)
[10:53] <steved> babaliciouse: you never know might be a router near by ;)
[10:53] <babaliciouse> steved: lol@hacking
[10:54] <anto9us> hey, that's a point, I found one in a nearby office at work
[10:54] <anto9us> had to go and secure it for them
[10:54] <babaliciouse> lmao@honest anto9us
[10:54] <steved> babaliciouse: there are 2 others i can detect from my house but they have them secured as they should do :)
[10:54] <babaliciouse> steved: now theres a challenge for ya
[10:55] <Fish-Face> Hey, there! 2 problems with hibernation: 1, if my network card is plugged the process hangs badly, although the OS isn't hung, basically any process that tries to do anything network-wise becomes undead, as does a process trying to kill them.
[10:55] <anto9us> babaliciouse: it's a women's aid centre, so I did it for free, they call me their angel now
[10:55] <babaliciouse> i still have lots of rfm'ing to do before i enter the world of the elite
[10:55] <Fish-Face> 2, if I unplug it, my peripherals don't work when I reboot
[10:55] <babaliciouse> aaawwwww@angel
[10:56] <amonkey> can mounting ntfs volumes (readonly) affect the integrity of the data on them?
[10:56] <Bicchi> i noticed that the command to get upgrades is "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade"  but does that also update the kernel?
[10:56] <steved> anto9us: be careful they will have them round there maintaining there network soon :)
[10:56] <Alfred1881> hi , is there a program (maybe the gimp) that can display arrows , like on this picture http://www.gemmart.nl/infographics/voedselketen.gif ->>> I need the white arrows
[10:56] <babaliciouse> i'm still curious to know who here is from south africa
[10:56] <anto9us> steved: they want me to write them a database :)
[10:57] <Fator_Dee> Bicchi: yes
[10:57] <Fator_Dee> Bicchi: if there's an updated version available, of c(o)urse
[10:57] <steved> anto9us: sounds interesting :) if you got a bit of spare time why not help them out :)
[10:57] <cao30> the font size in my gnome terminals is way too small when i'm not running Gnome, why is it?
[10:57] <babaliciouse> anto9us: great business strategy angel, one way to find work eh
[10:57] <amonkey> bicchi: "sudo apt-get dist-uprade"
[10:57] <anto9us> babaliciouse: yep, I'm swamped right now though
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> there's always time for ladies :-p
[10:58] <babaliciouse> where u located angel
[10:58] <slept> cao30, xterm is nice
[10:58] <Flamish> hi
[10:59] <anto9us> Alfred1881: that picture looks like it was done with a vector drawing program like openoffice.org draw or sketch or coreldraw
[10:59] <cao30> slept: sure, but I'm so intrigued
[10:59] <larshhh> hey, anyone have experience with "configure-thinkpad"?
[11:00] <anto9us> babaliciouse: I live in south wales, UK
[11:00] <babaliciouse> so when i get home - will the card automatically pick up the signal and grab an ip from dhcp?
[11:01] <tritium_> Alfred1881, you might try inkscape or scribus.
[11:01] <Flamish> I'm running on a live cd of ubuntu but I don't know how much hd space I need to instal it competely (no live cd)
[11:01] <babaliciouse> anto9us: cool, i'm located in canada, originally south africa hence my previouse question
[11:01] <warri> hi, where can i find the binarys of ubuntu - not the iso. the setup fails at the main-installation, because the cd isn't correct and some packets r corrupted. i don't want to download the iso bcause i only have isdn
[11:01] <anto9us> babaliciouse: depends if your access point is set to visible and what security is on it
[11:02] <babaliciouse> well to keep thinks simple i'll disable all security features
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> Flamish: I think about 2gigs cuts really close to the minimum
[11:02] <babaliciouse> until i know i'm connected
[11:02] <anto9us> I met a south african once, a professional snooker player
[11:02] <anto9us> nice bloke he was
[11:03] <Fator_Dee> Flamish: about 5-10gigs is ok
[11:03] <anto9us> silvino francisco, if I recall his name
[11:03] <babaliciouse> i want to meet mark shuttleworth, I aspire to contribute to the world in a way he has
[11:03] <anto9us> isn't that the guy with the mask?
[11:03] <danko123451> awesme
[11:03] <babaliciouse> the mask???
[11:03] <danko123451> babaliciouse: I like you more and more with each sentence:p
[11:04] <anto9us> maybe I'm confusing him with someone else
[11:04] <babaliciouse> lol@dankol123451
[11:04] <Flamish> Fator_Dee: I'm affraid mb wont be enouch ?
[11:04] <warri> hi, where can i find the binarys of ubuntu - not the iso. the setup fails at the main-installation, because the cd isn't correct and some packets r corrupted. i don't want to download the iso bcause i only have isdn
[11:04] <danko123451> babaliciouse: youre in Canada, too...which city?
[11:04] <babaliciouse> mark shuttleworth was the first african in space, the founder of the shuttleworth foundation and is largly responsible for ubuntu
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> Flamish: hnh? please rephrase
[11:04] <Flamish> I have a 400 mb hdd :P
[11:04] <jackmacokc> i got a question about ubuntu live
[11:04] <anto9us> I'm new to ubuntu, sorry guys
[11:05] <jackmacokc> anyone know why qtparted isnt included in it?
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> Flamish: nope, not enuf :-/
[11:05] <Flamish> :-S
[11:05] <danko123451> sorry dont cut it, anto9us;)
[11:05] <jmd> hi all
[11:05] <Flamish> My other Hdd is 4gb
[11:05] <babaliciouse> dank : hhmmmmmm, lets say in the open plane in the province of SK
[11:05] <jackmacokc> 400mb? ouch
[11:05] <anto9us> hehe, I'm really, really, sorry and will dedicate the rest of my life to the ubuntu cause, how's that?
[11:05] <danko123451> cool, im in MB
[11:06] <Flamish> but I have Windows installed on it and I'd like to dualboot
[11:06] <babaliciouse> anto9us : your new monto can be humanity to others!!!!
[11:06] <danko123451> well, dedicate your life to a time travelling machine, and kkill yourself from behind before you typed that sentence
[11:06] <anto9us> hey, that was already my motto :)
[11:06] <babaliciouse> MB, not to much different than SK, cold and flat
[11:07] <danko123451> right
[11:07] <babaliciouse> now now dank, angels my hero so be careful
[11:07] <Raskall> ahh.. my public wifi gateway is up and running. A bit off-topic here, but it would be great if Ubuntu would incorporate ZoneCD from www.publicip.net
[11:08] <babaliciouse> good job Raskall
[11:09] <jackmacokc> i tried to boot with ubuntu live so that i could repartition my drives, but it didnt have qtparted. anyone have any alternative suggestions?
[11:09] <Thorrn4> hello!! I have an ISO on my hard drive, how do I load/install what is on it?
[11:09] <jackmacokc> burn the iso to cd thorrn4
[11:09] <Flamish> Torrn4: burn it on a CD
[11:09] <Kisain> how can i get my monitor to stop turning off in kubuntu?
[11:10] <Thorrn4> is there another way?
[11:10] <babaliciouse> well , im off to jack up my tekchic skills, anything else cool or interesting i should investigate
[11:10] <danko123451> are you on Linux?
[11:10] <Raskall> babaliciouse: I tried to get something similar with squid, squidguard, shorewall and dhcpd on my ubuntu-server, but it was to much fuzz when I had a spare computer with 2 nics and a cd-rom drive.
[11:10] <Flamish> don't think so
[11:10] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: not really
[11:10] <danko123451> Thorrn4: linux?
[11:10] <slept> jackmacokc, do you want to keep the data on the drive , if not just use fdisk, or what filesystem do you have ?
[11:10] <Thorrn4> no its not a Linux Distro daniels_
[11:10] <anto9us> jackmacokc: http://www.sysresccd.org/
[11:10] <jackmacokc> slept: i'm wanting to re-size my ext3 main partition for ubuntu so that i can free some up to make a fat partition to shuffle files between OS's
[11:10] <Thorrn4> danko123451,
[11:10] <Thorrn4> **
[11:11] <jackmacokc> anto9us: i'll check it out, thx
[11:11] <nate_> jackmacokc: knoppix should have gparted
[11:11] <babaliciouse> bye bye angel
[11:11] <danko123451> Thorrn4: if you are running Linux now, and want to mount an ISO without burining it to a CD....ubuntuguide.org shows how to do that.
[11:11] <babaliciouse> cheers dank
[11:11] <slurpas> I think i need help.. when i an with my server i can type my swe-char .. but when i connect throu putty to the comp.. it only get wierd letters... can anyone help me? :(
[11:11] <danko123451> bye
[11:11] <Kisain> how do i keep my monitor from goin into standby in kubuntu?
[11:11] <anto9us> bye my favourite tekchick :)
[11:12] <babaliciouse> ;)
[11:12] <nate_> slurpas: does putty support swedish characters?
[11:12] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: if you want to just see what is inside the iso, use archive manager in linux or winrar in windows
[11:12] <kent> Kisain, dont the screensaver let you configure that in kde?
[11:12] <Thorrn4> I am using Ubuntu jackmacokc
[11:12] <Kisain> i thought so but for some reason it's not working
[11:12] <Thorrn4> ok danko123451 I will try that
[11:12] <danko123451> ok, you do that.
[11:13] <slurpas> hehe, nate_ putty from windows xp who support it.. i can type  in the console, but in the vi-editor i get wierd letters:/
[11:13] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: download gnomebaker to burn it to cd...check the ubuntuguide.org site for help..its easy
[11:13] <jackmacokc> nate_ what is knoppix? another cd based distro?
[11:13] <nate_> jackmacokc: yes, but sysreccd had gparted, for sure
[11:14] <jackmacokc> gotcha
[11:14] <Thorrn4> ok jackmacokc....I found how to mount them
[11:15] <brandon_niemczyk> has anyone had problems with gpilot-install-file and mp3's ?
[11:15] <brandon_niemczyk> like, it doesn't work?
[11:16] <Reinaldo> hehehe
[11:17] <Thorrn4> danko123451, I do not understand the instructions to mount the ISO file
[11:18] <danko123451> whats up?
[11:18] <danko123451> paste a link
[11:18] <danko123451> so I dont have to open manually
[11:18] <slurpas> nate_ when i use the server-keyboard i get the real letters.. but from latest putty, its fucked up :/
[11:19] <Kisain> anyone have any idea?
[11:19] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: check this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30635&highlight=mount+iso
[11:20] <nate_> slurpas: when you're actually at the server on its terminal, its fine.  but when you putty in, its all messed up.  To me that sounds like putty does not support those characters, if I understand the situation right
[11:20] <Thorrn4> jackmacokc, I cannot under it
[11:20] <Thorrn4> brb....my mouse is not working
[11:20] <slept> jackmacokc, take a look at http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/
[11:20] <MindSpore> why can't apt-get find "java-package"?
[11:20] <slurpas> its the right situation, ut it have worked before i reinstalled my server... :/
[11:20] <jackmacokc> slept: yeah i tried that in xp...didnt have any luck though
[11:21] <nate_> MindSpore: its on a repos you don't have?
[11:21] <nate_> MindSpore: or doesn't exist?
[11:21] <Echylo> how do I prevent gedit creating ~ files all the time?
[11:21] <MindSpore> nate_: says it can't find it.. I don't know.. i'm just trying to get java installed.. and that's what the wiki says to do
[11:21] <Echylo> nvm
[11:21] <nate_> MindSpore: do you have multiverse and universe repos added?
[11:21] <Flamish> danko123451: a few minutes ago you told someone to install linux without burning the ISO but I don't find how to do it on ubuntuguide.com
[11:22] <MindSpore> nate_: probably not, where can i find those?
[11:22] <mello> MindSpore: www.ubuntuguide.org#jre
[11:22] <nate_> MindSpore: are you using synaptic?
[11:22] <jackmacokc> Flamish: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[11:22] <mello> MindSpore: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:22] <MindSpore> nate_: just using apt_get
[11:23] <mello> follow that guide, then go back to the first one, #jre
[11:23] <nate_> MindSpore: yeah, look at thos sites mello gave you, do the second one first
[11:23] <Thorrn4> im back....
[11:23] <MindSpore> k
[11:23] <MindSpore> thanks
[11:23] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: ok, you were saying? you cant understand those instructions?
[11:23] <Flamish> jackmacokc: thnx
[11:24] <mello> happy to help, i was just like you about 3 months ago =] 
[11:24] <mello> ask your questions, fix them, then help others
[11:24] <Thorrn4> yea jackmacokc...they do no good for me...I dont understand what it wants me to do...I'm very new to Linux and Ubuntu
[11:24] <whiteknight> mello, thats the linux way :)
[11:24] <mello> word
[11:25] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: ok, no prob..we can figure it out i'm sure. did you bring up a terminal and type the command that was in the link i sent you?
[11:25] <whiteknight> wow that means i've been using linux for 5 years
[11:25] <danko123451> Thorrn4: whats the name of the file?
[11:25] <danko123451> tell me Ill give you the exact command
[11:25] <danko123451> basicaly, replace the filename.iso, with filename
[11:26] <danko123451> and, do a mkdir /mnt/iso
[11:26] <danko123451> sudo mkdir /mnt/iso
[11:26] <danko123451> and then you can mount the iso to that folder
[11:26] <danko123451> using that command,.
[11:26] <beartard> I have a problem with updating.  dpkg, synaptic, aptitude, and the ubuntu updater all give me this message:  E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5_i386.deb:  files list file for package `hostname' is missing final newline
[11:26] <beartard> package is variable, but the message with "hostname" is the same
[11:26] <beartard> any suggestions?
[11:26] <Thorrn4> danko123451, the name of the iso is "install.iso"
[11:27] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: so type this in a terminal -- sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 install.iso /mnt/iso
[11:27] <danko123451> all right, open a terminal
[11:27] <slept> beartard, dselect update
[11:27] <danko123451> do a sudo mkdir /mnt/iso
[11:27] <danko123451> then do what jackmacokc said
[11:27] <bijin|yawa> @anyone: I dpkg -i'd a package, but I don't know how to execute the program now :-/
[11:28] <bijin> it's Frodo, and I type "frodo" and get nothing :-(
[11:28] <slept> bijin, dpkg -L  packagename
[11:28] <bijin> oh
[11:29] <bijin> slept, it says it's not installed?
[11:29] <Thorrn4> danko123451, it just gives me a bunch of choices
[11:29] <slurpas> nate_
[11:29] <jackmacokc> Thorrn4: what exactly does it say
[11:29] <beartard> slept:  doesn't synaptic do that with a "reload"?
[11:30] <slurpas> its kind of wierd.. throu putty in the console i can type  with one letters delay... but in the vi-editor i cant type  at all...
[11:30] <tritium_> beartard, no, dpkg -L <packagename> lists the files in a package
[11:30] <bijin> slept, I ran dpkg -L and it gave me a bunch of directory listings now
[11:30] <bijin> how do I know which command to run?
[11:31] <slept> beartard, it fixed things for me when apt ... was abled to do nothing - but I don't know about synaptic
[11:31] <bijin> oops, nevermind, I guessed FrodoPC and it was right
[11:31] <bijin> thanks
[11:31] <nate_> slurpas: what?
[11:31] <slept> bijin, look for readme first
[11:31] <beartard> I'll see what I can figure out.  I know my firefox is inconsistent
[11:31] <bijin> slept, thanks
[11:31] <beartard> but I can't get it to update, and it won't update anything else because of that error
[11:31] <nate_> slurpas: different programs support different characters
[11:32] <beartard> can't even deinstall and reinstall
[11:32] <slurpas> u know any program like putty for win ?
[11:32] <slept> beartard, just try it with dselect
[11:32] <beartard> I'll see what hapens
[11:33] <slept> slurpas, ssh
[11:33] <Thorrn4> jackmacokc, I'll have to tell u another time
[11:33] <Thorrn4> I have 2 go
[11:33] <Thorrn4> sorry
[11:33] <whiteknight> :) IIRC putty is ssh
[11:33] <jackmacokc> no prob
[11:33] <Thorrn4> sorry danko123451
[11:33] <slurpas> okai
[11:34] <sbcl3> erm...does anyone know how to get a gnome panel exactly like KDE's lower panel? One of my problems thus far is getting two of my four workstations to stack on top of the other two
[11:35] <sbcl3> anyone know?
[11:35] <anto9us> sbcl3: try unticking the expand in panel properties
[11:35] <danko123451> Oh....NOOOOOO...he is gonna leave...:/
[11:35] <NeWiTa> sbcl3: right button click on the workstations, then preferences, then choose 2 rows
[11:36] <slurpas> nate_
[11:36] <anto9us> sbcl3: you can stack gnome panels
[11:36] <danko123451> sorry dont cut it again...
[11:36] <jackmacokc> hah
[11:36] <sbcl3> how do you do it though?
[11:36] <danko123451> anyhoe....
[11:36] <danko123451> Im out
[11:36] <danko123451> cya later
[11:36] <sbcl3> i can't get the workstations to stack
[11:36] <anto9us> set them to the same orientation
[11:36] <slurpas> when i look at my HP who i have hosted on the server... i cant see the real letters from another computer.. its only the linux-comp who see the lettersnormaly
[11:36] <slept> jackmacokc, maybe http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[11:37] <jackmac_away> slept: thx..i'll check that out
[11:37] <dcraven> what is a workstation in this context?
[11:39] <blagos> hoa
[11:39] <blagos> hello
[11:40] <dcraven> Hi
[11:40] <slept> beartard, did it work
[11:40] <sbcl3> anyone know how to get the workstations to stack?
[11:40] <blagos> mullaresnata
[11:40] <slurpas> nate_, the  wont work remote at all.. either if i use putty or if i trie to watch my homepage..
[11:40] <blagos> alguien
[11:40] <dcraven> sbcl3: What is a "workstation"?
[11:40] <blagos> habla espaol
[11:40] <sbcl3> those desktop-switchers
[11:40] <dcraven> Oh
[11:40] <sbcl3> the four little boxes you see
[11:40] <slept> is there any reason why modconf isn't availabel ?
[11:40] <blagos> quien habla espaol
[11:41] <dcraven> sbcl3: right click on them, choose preferences.
[11:41] <tritium_> blagos, #ubuntu-es
[11:41] <slept> blagos, #ubuntu-es
[11:41] <connor> Hi folks - I need to install a ralink driver from source, and I need the kernel-sources to do that (I think).  How do I find out which kernel sources I need? I had thought hoary used 2.6.10, but apt seems to only have 2.4.27
[11:42] <sbcl3> dcraven: thanks
[11:42] <sbcl3> can you do that with drawers too?
[11:42] <anto9us> connor: uname -r will tell you your kernel
[11:42] <connor> anto9us: thanks - sorry for the lameness
[11:42] <tritium_> connor, you actually only need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:43] <anto9us> connor: it's not lame mate :)
[11:43] <sbcl3> ug...you can't seem to get the drawer icon from not expanding when the whole panel expands
[11:44] <Mocker> hey everyone
[11:44] <connor> 'K  I've got 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic it seems, so I guess the source will not be with me.  The module source Makefile says it needs my path-to-source.
[11:44] <sbcl3> here's an important question: i'm right-clicking on the panel, why don't i get the "properties" option?
[11:45] <sbcl3> (its an unused part of the panel)
[11:45] <beartard> same problems with dselect
[11:45] <beartard> wish I knew what this final newline was in the files list for package "hostname"  lol
[11:45] <dcraven> sbcl3: look closely
[11:45] <sbcl3> i have
[11:46] <sbcl3> "preferences" is not the same as "properties"
[11:46] <danko123456_away> not empty then
[11:46] <dcraven> Good point.
[11:46] <danko123456_away> thanks,, especially for away...
[11:47] <Licker> whats the command to access the CDrom?
[11:47] <anto9us> sbc13: move to an empty desktop if you can't find a space to right click
[11:47] <sbcl3> i was able to find some very small empty spaces
[11:47] <MindSpore> how do i edit the icons of menu items?
[11:48] <JoshRA> .53
[11:49] <tritium_> connor, you can install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic, then
[11:49] <dcraven> Licker: Maybe adding the Disk Mounter applet to a panel would be the simplest route.
[11:49] <ludo__> i ve got a problem : i do an apt-get install with a english debian repository on my french ubuntu, and now the apps are in english and the panel in french
[11:49] <sbcl3> my panel is at 42 pixels...and i can't resize the drawer to below 21...what's going on?
[11:49] <Licker> dcraven: how would I go about doing this?
[11:49] <dcraven> Licker: Otherwise, if the disk is mounted, it's probably at /media/cdrom
[11:50] <dcraven> Licker: right click a panel, choose Add to Panel, then choose Disk Mounter.
[11:50] <connor> tritium_: I did that, and symlinked it to just linux (don't like typing long names).  Now the question is whether the module code will like it.
[11:50] <slept> beartard, can you write the whole error message again
[11:51] <anto9us> sbcl3: the quick-lounge-applet may be something useful for you
[11:51] <tritium_> connor, okay, good luck :)
[11:51] <beartard> slept:  sure.  let me get it again
[11:51] <Mocker> Switching to linux tonight...The fact that microsoft word started crashing everytime you opened it finally nudged me over the edge...
[11:51] <sbcl3> quick lounge applet? what's it do?
[11:51] <beartard> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5_i386.deb:  files list file for package `hostname' is missing final newline
[11:51] <whiteknight> Mocker, so hows it going?
[11:52] <Mocker> Downloading Ubuntu now
[11:52] <Mocker> 85%5
[11:52] <Mocker> umm 85%
[11:52] <beartard> sletp: sometimes it gets the error for firefox, sometimes for libfontconfig.  same error, though
[11:52] <Mocker> 14 minutes left
[11:52] <Fish-Face> Hey, there! 2 problems with hibernation: 1, if my network card is plugged the process hangs badly, although the OS isn't hung, basically any process that tries to do anything network-wise becomes undead, as does a process trying to kill them.
[11:52] <Fish-Face> 2, if I unplug it, my peripherals don't work when I reboot
[11:52] <beartard> but it's stopped all updates
[11:52] <Licker> dcraven: im in RH9 atm. Im trying to see if it can read the Ubuntu ISO CD
[11:52] <anto9us> sbcl3: it holds your application icons and keeps their size irrespective of the panel size
[11:52] <beartard> I've tried reinstalling the "hostname" package, but I get the same error....for firefox.  ;-)
[11:52] <bijin> @anyone...know how to configure Wine with an unwriteable ntfs partition?
[11:52] <dcraven> Licker: Okay.
[11:53] <bijin> Wine says unable to grep a file on the ntfs partition
[11:53] <sbcl3> how can i get this program?
[11:53] <anto9us> bijin: does wine have read privilages to your ntfs partition?
[11:53] <bijin> how can I tell?
[11:54] <slept> beartard, did you try dpkg --remove --force firefox
[11:54] <bijin> or anto9us, how can I give it those priveleges?
[11:54] <connor> How about an easy one - how do I restrict my son's account so he can't use sudo ?
[11:54] <beartard> slept:  I was being cautious about forcing anything at this point
[11:54] <Fator_Dee> connor: if his account is not in the /etc/sudoers, he can't sudo
[11:55] <dcraven> sbcl3: sudo apt-get install quick-lounge-applet
[11:55] <connor> Fator_Dee: Thanks!
[11:55] <ThomasWinwood> connor: Why do you want to restrict him from using sudo?
[11:55] <sarom> guys, I need major help.. I need to access a shared Windows folder from ubuntu?
[11:55] <ThomasWinwood> (Out of curiosity.)
[11:55] <connor> ThomasWinwood: He's 7
[11:55] <ThomasWinwood> sarom: Samba.
[11:55] <Fator_Dee> connor: so essentially, if you make *your* account first, and then your son's. he doesn't have the sudo priviliges
[11:55] <dcraven> connor: 7 year olds make good admins.
[11:55] <sarom> http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver   << this only talks about how I share a folder
[11:55] <sarom> not how I can access one
[11:56] <sarom> on another computer
[11:56] <connor> dcraven: :-)
[11:56] <slept> beartard, for now your system is broken - but I'm not sure if it has realy to do with firefox
[11:56] <ThomasWinwood> Install Samba, connect to the other computer. Badabing, badaboom. Samba is needed so you're seen on the network and can access shared stuff.
[11:56] <Fator_Dee> you have to start young in these days to get to the top
[11:56] <sbcl3> i sure wish linux would pick up my sound card...
[11:56] <sbcl3> how do i go about making sound work?
[11:56] <sarom> ThomasWinwood, I think samba is installed by default.. so it is already installed
[11:57] <ThomasWinwood> sbcl3: Sound is ordered vibrations of air molecules-- oh wait, that's not what you asked. :p
[11:57] <anto9us> bijin: I'm reading the man page for chmod for you
[11:57] <slept> sarom smbtree to find out the machines name and smbmount to mount it
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> ThomasWinwood: aren't we funnay :-p
[11:57] <sbcl3> it doesn't even pick up reaktek audio :(
[11:57] <bijin> thanks anto9us, I appreciate it :)
[11:57] <ThomasWinwood> Fator_Dee: When in doubt, make a silly joke.
[11:57] <Fator_Dee> ^_^
[11:58] <dave_> how can I install true type fonts? I've tried copying the files to fonts:/// but that doesn't seem to work.
[11:58] <fabio_85> hello
[11:58] <threat> G'Day
[11:58] <mikail> lo all
[11:58] <threat> lo
[11:58] <dcraven> dave_: Drop them in ~/.fonts
[11:59] <fabio_85> guys, do u know if there is a channel for PHP dev?
[11:59] <beartard> slept, it's not that big a deal.  I'm sure there'll be an update to fix it.  But I dunno how it's gonna update when this error prevents them
[11:59] <ludoesch> how to force one language in hoary ?
[11:59] <threat> dave_, try copying to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/makeupadirectoryname
[11:59] <ThomasWinwood> fabio_85: #ruby? #python? dunno.
[11:59] <threat> :)
[11:59] <Fator_Dee> dave_: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:59] <fabio_85> PHP
[11:59] <threat> dave_, or for user only fonts then put them in .fonts
[11:59] <threat> in your home directory
[11:59] <dave_> dcraven: isn't that the same as fonts:/// in nautilus
[11:59] <anto9us> bijin: try chmod -R o+r <ntfs directory>
[11:59] <threat> dave_, did you get all of that ?
[11:59] <sbcl3> anyone know where installed themes are kept?
[11:59] <bijin> so like /mnt/winXP?
[11:59] <sbcl3> i need to get rid of a few
[12:00] <dcraven> dave_: I have no idea. But ~/.fonts works here.
[12:00] <dave_> threat: think so
[12:00] <anto9us> bijin: yes, that will give read privilages to everyone