[12:12] <dfhf> hello
[12:12] <dfhf> ubuntu is awesome!
[12:17] <error403> lol
[12:18] <error403> anybody ever done a /exec -o apt-get update into a public IRC channel before?
[12:18] <r3v> nope
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> er
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release.gpg [189B] 
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[12:19] <r3v> no auto kick for flooding?
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Get:2 ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid Release.gpg
[12:19] <r3v> :)
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Ign ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid Release.gpg
[12:19] <Diablo-D3> Get:3 ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid Release
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> Ign ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid Release
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> Get:4 ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid/madwifi Packages
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> Ign ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid/madwifi Packages
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> Get:5 ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid/madwifi Sources
[12:20] <ChrisH_> google has failed me
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> Ign ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid/madwifi Sources
[12:20] <Diablo-D3> Get:6 ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid/madwifi Packages [482B] 
[12:20] <ChrisH_> humbug
[12:21] <r3v> Diablo-D3: madwifi?... isn't that in the kernel now?
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> Get:7 ftp://debian.marlow.dk sid/madwifi Sources [924B] 
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> r3v: no, madwifi _is closed source_.
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> Fetched 1407B in 2m33s (9B/s)
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> error403: there.
[12:21] <error403> lol
[12:21] <r3v> ah
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> Reading package lists...
[12:21] <Diablo-D3> wait, theres more!
[12:21] <error403> well, i added the apt-get updrade on the end
[12:21] <error403> lol
[12:21] <error403> or...
[12:22] <error403>  /exec -o dpkg -l
[12:22] <Diablo-D3> I have no clue why its slow in xchat
[12:22] <Diablo-D3> normally it'd blurt out in a few seconds
[12:22] <r3v> error403: what.... /exec -o dpkg -l would be insane
[12:22] <error403> lol
[12:22] <error403> yes
[12:23] <error403> a friend of mine did it on his own server
[12:23] <Diablo-D3> join #shadowconflict
[12:23] <error403> and the server kicked him
[12:23] <r3v> that's 954 lines on my box
[12:32] <mrmanic> I thought madwifi was open source.
[12:32] <transgress> nope
[12:33] <r3v> what does madwifi support?
[12:34] <mrmanic> atheros wifi chipsets
[12:34] <mrmanic> transgress: if it's not open source, why is it on sourceforge?
[12:34] <transgress> iuno
[12:34] <r3v> speaking of wireless... anyone know a way to get a usb alink chipset working?
[12:35] <mrmanic> on sourceforge it's listed as bsd and gpl licensed.
[12:36] <mrmanic> are you sure you're not thinking of driverloader?
[12:36] <mrmanic> that's closed-source
[12:38] <transgress> eh actually it looks like it is... i was pretty sure it wasn't... oh well
[12:38] <r3v> alinx not alink... my bad
[12:38] <mrmanic> r3v: no idea
[12:39] <mrmanic> I've never heard of alinx
[12:40] <r3v> apparenlty cisco likes to be idiots
[12:41] <r3v> rev 1-3 had one chipset
[12:41] <r3v> then rev 4 had an alinx one... that no one has heard of... anywhere
[12:41] <mrmanic> netgear did something similar
[12:41] <mrmanic> only swapping between atheros and broadcom
[12:44] <r3v> i hate it when companies do stoopid stuff like that to save a few cents
[12:49] <ChrisH_> ok, if you plug a mouse into a USB port it should just work shouldn't it?
[12:49] <r3v> yeah
[12:49] <r3v> unless you have custom kernel and missed that
[12:50] <ChrisH_> and if it doesn't just work something pretty major is wrong?
[12:50] <ChrisH_> and kubuntu is unlikely to ship with a custom kernel is it?
[12:50] <transgress> lol
[12:50] <r3v> by custom I meant not the one it ships with
[12:51] <ChrisH_> thought as much
[12:51] <ChrisH_> either my machine is weirder than Jacko
[12:51] <r3v> is it optical?... does it light up?
[12:51] <ChrisH_> or something strange is happening
[12:51] <ChrisH_> it's optical and it's not even lighting up anymore
[12:51] <ChrisH_> at least, not one kubuntu starts to boot
[12:52] <ChrisH_> same problem with another mouser I tried
[12:52] <r3v> try a diff usb port
[12:52] <r3v> usb optical mouse should light up even without drivers
[12:52] <ChrisH_> tried them all
[12:52] <r3v> does anything come up in usbview?
[12:52] <ChrisH_> same problem
[12:53] <ChrisH_> usbview?
[12:53] <r3v> program that lists what all usb devices are plugged in
[12:53] <transgress> ChrisH_: what type of computer
[12:53] <Diablo-D3> I win
[12:53] <Diablo-D3> mrmanic: partially
[12:53] <ChrisH_> transgress: desktop machine
[12:53] <Diablo-D3> it has a closed source core.
[12:53] <Diablo-D3> r3v: atheros-based cards
[12:54] <transgress> brand perhaps?
[12:54] <r3v> Diablo-D3: you spent that whole time looking that up?
[12:55] <ChrisH_> usbview: 'command not found'
[12:55] <r3v> ChrisH_: install it
[12:55] <r3v> or cat /prob/something
[12:55] <Diablo-D3> huh?
[12:55] <ChrisH_> cat /dev/mice
[12:55] <Diablo-D3> r3v: what are you talking about?
[12:56] <ChrisH_> anyways tried cat /whatever and it don't work
[12:56] <r3v> Diablo-D3: that it has a closed source core?
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> I said that like an hour ago
[12:57] <r3v> proc not prob... my bad
[12:57] <r3v> really... I just got it now
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> probably lag induced by /exec -o dpkg -l
[12:57] <r3v> 3 minutes ago according to time stamp
[12:59] <r3v> ChrisH_: it should light up no matter what.  cause that says power is going to usb, which should happen without any drivers or anything
[12:59] <transgress> ChrisH_: should be /dev/input/mice by default...
[12:59] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: your problem seems like faulty hardware.
[12:59] <ChrisH_> I've just tried another mouse which light up briefly before going out again
[12:59] <ChrisH_> and both these mice work on the laptop I'm using now
[01:00] <transgress> heh i would ask for your lsmod but that'd be quite the bitch w/o a mouse
[01:00] <mrmanic> you can turn on accessibility stuff which makes it a bit easier.
[01:00] <mrmanic> I used to do that in windows when I had a wireless keyboard and a wired mouse
[01:00] <ChrisH_> the hardware was fine about 5/6 hours ago when I was running SuSE
[01:00] <mrmanic> hmm
[01:01] <mrmanic> ok
[01:01] <mrmanic> does it show up in lsusb?
[01:01] <mrmanic> or do you see any error messages output when you type tail dmesg
[01:03] <ChrisH_> tail can't open 'dmesg' no such file opr directory
[01:03] <mrmanic> oh, sorry
[01:03] <mrmanic> just type dmesg
[01:03] <mrmanic> my bad
[01:03] <ChrisH_> lsusb lists devices 1-4 but nothing on them
[01:03] <mrmanic> ah
[01:03] <mrmanic> dmesg should give you some insight, I think
[01:04] <mrmanic> usb might not be getting loaded correctly.
[01:04] <mrmanic> I don't know, honestly
[01:05] <ChrisH_> mrmanic: I don't think anyone knows, it seems to be a really odd problem
[01:05] <mrmanic> even more odd that it would work in one distro and not another.  especially considering it's something as basic as a mouse
[01:06] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: do you see the usb insertion event in dmesg?
[01:07] <ChrisH_> dmesg gives me lots of usb errors
[01:07] <ChrisH_> mostly about things timin out
[01:08] <mrmanic> hmm
[01:09] <ChrisH_> It seems liekly that there's some sort of kernel problem
[01:09] <mrmanic> yes
[01:09] <mrmanic> what kernel are you running?
[01:09] <ChrisH_> there's a guy in #ubuntu having a similar problem
[01:10] <ChrisH_> how do I check my kernel version?
[01:10] <mrmanic> uname -r, I think
[01:13] <ChrisH_> ok, kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[01:15] <mrmanic> what kind of computer do you have?
[01:15] <ChrisH_> simple destop x86 machine
[01:18] <ChrisH_> http://www.timecomputers.com/showpackage.php?prodid=12956
[01:18] <ChrisH_> esentially that machine
[01:21] <mrmanic> you might try apt-getting 2.6.10-5-686
[01:23] <ChrisH_> can I get than from the install cd?
[01:24] <mrmanic> I don't know
[01:24] <ChrisH_> my net connection isn't configured properly yet
[01:24] <mrmanic> man
[01:24] <mrmanic> what a mess
[01:24] <ChrisH_> it's kinda hard to get a proxy server and stuff set up without a mouse
[01:25] <mrmanic> if I were you, I'd probably give up and run back to $original_distro with my tail between my legs
[01:25] <mrmanic> that's what I'm planning to do
[01:25] <mrmanic> You definitely seem to be hitting some challenges
[01:25] <ChrisH_> I think that's probably the easy way out
[01:26] <mrmanic> how are you IRCing if your network settings are screwy?
[01:26] <ChrisH_> usign my girlfriends laptop
[01:27] <ChrisH_> having to go next door and try all suggestions out on my machine
[01:29] <Drako60> ChrisH_: what kind of kernel problem?
[01:29] <ChrisH_> Drako60: I'm using thex386 one, and someone recomended I try using the latest x686 one
[01:30] <Drako60> thex386?
[01:30] <ChrisH_> *the x386
[01:30] <Drako60> sorry i'm somewhat new to linux, and a newb to ubuntu
[01:30] <Drako60> hmm my problem is a bit different
[01:31] <ChrisH_> as far as I know x386 is the original type kernel that you use for old machines
[01:31] <ChrisH_> it relates to old processors like 386/486
[01:31] <adapt> is there a list of what has been removed from ubuntu on the kubuntu iso's? has all the gnome stuff been stripped (besides gtk and configuration stuff)
[01:31] <ChrisH_> I'm assuming that x686 is one designed for faster processors
[01:32] <mrmanic> actually, yours is amd, right?
[01:32] <mrmanic> try the k7 kernel
[01:32] <Drako60> well i'm running an AMD64 kernel on a AMD64 2800+
[01:32] <Drako60> and both ps/2 ports are working but dmesg | grep -i input only shows the keyboard and i know both of the mice i've tried work
[01:33] <adapt> i386 is the intel/amd architecture (486=486 -- 586=pentium2/pentiumPro -- 686=pentium3/athlon/etc)
[01:33] <ChrisH_> oooh, you learn something new everyday
[01:33] <adapt> :)
[01:33] <ChrisH_> to think I was a linux newbie until only 5 months ago and now I can talk jargon with the best of them :P
[01:34] <ChrisH_> right, running a .deb file is as simple as clicking on it isn't it?
[01:34] <adapt> hah. the best way to learn is just grabbing as many distros (especially the smaller ones) and just getting them all setup the way you like, seeing all the differences.
[01:34] <Drako60> i can't even get into x
[01:35] <ChrisH_> I'm learning by having major problem like this and having to sort them out
[01:35] <mrmanic> adapt: that also takes a LOT of time.
[01:35] <adapt> so does sitting on irc :)
[01:35] <mrmanic> haha
[01:35] <mrmanic> so true
[01:35] <ChrisH_> right, I'm off to try new kernal back soon
[01:35] <adapt> good luck
[01:35] <Drako60> i've used debian, OpenBSD, tried FreeBSD didn't work, RH, Sourcemage, now Ubuntu
[01:36] <adapt> freebsd didnt work/
[01:36] <adapt> ?
[01:36] <Drako60> not on this system
[01:36] <adapt> wouldnt boot?
[01:36] <Drako60> it booted but no ethernet support at all
[01:36] <adapt> ahh
[01:36] <Drako60> i have an nforce3 chipset and i'm trying to get the system to detect the mouse as far as i know i have the newest amd64 kernel
[01:36] <adapt> i havent tried sourcemage since like the first version. i forgot about that one
[01:36] <Drako60> and i'm lost
[01:37] <adapt> everything else come up fine? just no mouse?
[01:37] <Drako60> and i'm stuck in cli mode because xserver will not load
[01:37] <adapt> ahah
[01:37] <adapt> ahh i mean
[01:37] <Drako60> core input device error is the last error xserver gives me
[01:38] <adapt> thats the mouse for sure. look at the log /var/log/xorg???
[01:38] <Drako60> i have it set to /dev/psaux but dmesg doesn't even show the mouse and i've tried two different onces both of which i know work
[01:38] <adapt> is it a ps2 mouse?
[01:38] <Drako60> dmesg | grep -i input, grep outputs input 1 keyboard
[01:38] <Japsu_> Could someone tell me what I just downloaded? The file is named "hoary-install-i386.iso" and the MD5 hash is 37e0570ca93ca283afcf8eb856518db1 which I haven't seen on any Kubuntu mirror and, when googled, gives no hits
[01:38] <adapt> is it usb or ps2 mous
[01:39] <Drako60> ps2
[01:39] <Japsu_> Can "Hoary" mean some other version than 5.04?
[01:39] <Japsu_> Any 5.xx?
[01:39] <ChrisH_> hmm, ok my usb ports don't seem to recognise my usb key either
[01:39] <ChrisH_> now I have problems trying to install x686 kernel
[01:39] <adapt> Drako60: ... you have an AMD64 w/ an nforce3 board, and you still have a ps2 mouse? :)
[01:39] <mrmanic> Japsu_: I think hoary is definitely 5.04
[01:40] <Drako60> adapt: yes
[01:40] <mrmanic> Japsu_: where did you download it from?
[01:40] <Drako60> hey atleast its not serial mouse
[01:40] <ChrisH_> bugger me it's nearly 1am
[01:40] <ChrisH_> so much for revision :P
[01:40] <Japsu_> mrmanic: bittorrent IIRC. I had it on my ftp mirror where I'd stuck it a bit earlier
[01:41] <Drako60> hmm i wonder if i have a ps2 to usb adapter somewhere
[01:41] <Japsu_> japsu@crake kubuntu $ file hoary-install-i386.iso
[01:41] <Japsu_> hoary-install-i386.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Kubuntu 5.04 i386 Bin-1        ' (bootable)
[01:41] <mrmanic> hmm
[01:41] <Japsu_> and I've acquired the file on March 20th
[01:42] <Japsu_> is this a valid kubuntu release? or should I re-download it?
[01:42] <mrmanic> Japsu_: you should redownload
[01:42] <mrmanic> Japsu_: I think the final version was released in april
[01:42] <mrmanic> Japsu_: I'm pretty sure you downloaded a beta or RC
[01:42] <Japsu_> mrmanic: okay, so I have a beta or something like that
[01:42] <Japsu_> okay
[01:42] <Japsu_> I'm redownloading it then
[01:43] <Japsu_> too bad, I just downloaded that file from my server over a 256/256 ADSL... took *only* six hours >_<
[01:43] <mrmanic> ouch
[01:43] <ChrisH_> is there any other logical way to transfer a file from a laptop without a floppy drive to a machine whose usb prts aren't working other than burning a whole CD for a 1.6MB file
[01:44] <ChrisH_> heh, 6 hours is nothing
[01:44] <mrmanic> cdrw would be your best bet
[01:44] <ChrisH_> I took over 10 hours on a 25kB DSL connection
[01:45] <adapt> i started dloading kubuntu when i got in here a few minutes ago... 6 minutes togo :)
[01:45] <Japsu_> anyway, I'm going to sleep about now, so re-downloading won't be a problem... it'll be ready when I wake up sometime in the afternoon
[01:45] <Japsu_> :D
[01:45] <ChrisH_> looks like cdrw it's gotta be then
[01:45] <mrmanic> ok Japsu_.  good luck.
[01:45] <adapt> ChrisH_: network?
[01:45] <ChrisH_> i think I'll get some sleep too
[01:45] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: unless you have a hub and don't mind doing some manual routing.
[01:46] <mrmanic> ok.
[01:46] <ChrisH_> I'll try the new kernel in the morning
[01:46] <mrmanic> I hope it works out, ChrisH_ 
[01:46] <ChrisH_> 6 hours trying to get a mouse to work is a bit excessive
[01:46] <Japsu_> there's a swedish mirror! heja sverige! \o/
[01:46] <ChrisH_> g'night folks, I'll no doubt be back later on to pester you all more
[01:47] <Japsu_> bittorrent isn't applicable right now and the main mirror would give me 4 KiB/s :D
[01:47] <Japsu_> ah, better. now it's my pipe that's limiting the transfer speed so I'm off to sleep
[01:51] <closure> so
[01:51] <closure> everytime i boot my sound balance is all the way to the left any ideas?
[01:51] <adapt> QUa34hr79
[01:51] <transgress> did you just type in your password?
[01:52] <adapt> croikie. nah. i was copying and pasting one though :/ -- help your self to it :)
[01:52] <adapt> im not smart enough for passwords like that. haha
[01:52] <Drako60> ok this seems to work with the usb trackball
[01:52] <closure> adapt,  me either
[01:53] <transgress> heh i almost typed mine in to irc a second ago because of kwallet popping up but not coming to focus
[01:53] <mrmanic> I hate that
[01:53] <adapt> kwallet?
[01:53] <mrmanic> kwallet is one of the only things that I think need to be modal
[01:53] <adapt> oh nm. im an idiot
[01:53] <transgress> modal?
[01:56] <Drako60> ok starting to get somewhere now
[01:58] <sbcman> hey folsk
[02:00] <Japsu_> transgress: modal as in blocking an application
[02:00] <Japsu_> transgress: that is, when a modal dialog appears, you can't interact with other parts of the application that created the modal dialog until you close the modal dialog
[02:00] <transgress> Japsu_: oh i see... i agree with that
[02:03] <transgress> what is kio_http?
[02:04] <Japsu_> transgress: it's the kioslave helper for the http protocol
[02:04] <transgress> any clue why they would be the only thing listed in top?
[02:04] <Japsu_> transgress: basically it's a program that downloads stuff over http for kde applications
[02:06] <transgress> k
[02:06] <transgress> i just killed it ... was running my system like a bitch... second time i've had runaway apps since i put kubuntu on
[02:13] <_phate_> Is there away to put the Icons back on the desktop?
[02:27] <Drako60>  i guess i need to file a bug report on AMD64 hoary not recognizing PC/2 mice
[02:30] <drako> opps, i guess i should know how to open another server window befor doing the server command
[02:31] <sandyeggoboy> how come my apache server keeps trying to download a PHTML file?
[02:45] <Drako60> how do i edit ide_core to load amd74xx befor the rest?
[02:56] <jago> can any one tell me how to kill a program that freezes?
[03:10] <Tm_T> whoa
[03:10] <narg> hrm, anyone else running breezy having trouble with usb drives?
[03:10] <narg> Mine is being really wierd.
[03:11] <gunny> hal in breezy is pretty borked 
[03:11] <narg> meh
[03:11] <narg> lame :p
[03:11] <narg> My usb drive isnt detected at any lvl
[03:11] <narg> so thats probably it
[03:11] <narg> :(
[03:11] <gunny> its in development and is 6 months away from release too soon to be running it IMHO
[03:12] <narg> well, it started the same as hoary, I wonder what hosed hal so badly...
[03:13] <gunny> only usb device I am having issues with is my olympus C700UZ camera
[03:13] <gunny> digikam won't talk to it 
[03:13] <narg> interesting
[03:13] <narg> theres no activity when I insert it even in /dev
[03:13] <narg> hrm
[03:17] <narg> hrm, what filter would one add to the prefs file to downgrade to hoary? *blink*
[03:18] <gunny> I just backed up my /home folder and re-installed narg 
[03:18] <narg> Id do that
[03:18] <narg> cept
[03:18] <narg> I dont want to have to reconfigure kde again
[03:18] <narg> it tooks ages to get it perfectly configured :p
[03:18] <narg> of course, I could just note my settings...
[03:18] <narg> I might actually do that
[03:18] <gunny> its ok those preferences should all be saved in.kde
[03:18] <narg> ooh, yea
[03:19] <narg> I store all my  data in another partition anyways
[03:19] <narg> Ill just copy /home
[03:19] <gunny> my desktop in kde lookd identical in mandriva, Ubuntu, and Mepis lol
[03:19] <narg> I just use /home for hidden pref files :p
[03:19] <gunny> same here pretty much 
[03:20] <narg> hrm
[03:20] <narg> wait, wouldnt kde error when it tries to install themes that dont exist?
[03:20] <NTolerance> i've had good luck with just copying over my home directory and bam, my settings are back
[03:20] <narg> install == use
[03:20] <gunny> narg, it will default to a lookalike where possible 
[03:20] <narg> I see
[03:20] <narg> well, Ok
[03:20] <gunny> I think plastik is a fallback default
[03:21] <narg> heh, enough breezy for me
[03:21] <NTolerance> i'm looking forward to the next release in Mepis, it should be this month
[03:21] <gunny> your current theme is actually saved in .kde
[03:21] <narg> Going to run grumpy when its out, but breezy isnt even a whole lot up to date...
[03:21] <gunny> just have to re-install any others you have added
[03:21] <narg> well, I only use my current, so its all good then
[03:21] <gunny> mepis will be great now that sarge has been locked 
[03:22] <NTolerance> it'll have KDE 3.4 and hopefully xorg
[03:22] <gunny> mepis is to easy to break with upgrades lol
[03:22] <NTolerance> Kubuntu is so swamp buggy i can't wait for the new Mepis 
[03:22] <narg> damn, gave away my install cd again :p
[03:22] <narg> need to burn a new one...
[03:22] <gunny> mepis won't have kde 3.4 until sarge does Warren pretty much said so 
[03:22] <NTolerance> hmm
[03:22] <NTolerance> i read something else
[03:22] <gunny> mepis=sarge for the most part 
[03:23] <gunny> oh I hope you're right, before i found Kubuntu I was a mepis fanatic
[03:23] <NTolerance> so sarge doesn't have kde 3.4?
[03:23] <gunny> no
[03:23] <NTolerance> damn
[03:24] <gunny> mepis was very good as long as you don't fiddle with it too much lol
[03:24] <gunny> I still have my mepis live cd very handy for resizing partitions and such 
[03:24] <gunny> my favorite live distro at the moment is PCLOS 
[03:24] <narg> cp: omitting directory `/home/narg'
[03:24] <narg> peer
[03:24] <narg> doesnt want to cp...
[03:25] <NTolerance> i'm getting really tired of the kde-libs bug, klaptop turning off my laptop randomly and dimming the screen, and 6 months until any updates
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> that doesnt sound like a klaptop bug
[03:25] <gunny> NTolerance,  are you using th ebackports repo?
[03:25] <NTolerance> i think so
[03:25] <NTolerance> let me check
[03:25] <NTolerance> yeah i have them enabled
[03:26] <gunny> I imagine when big fixes to kde hit, they will be back ported 
[03:26] <NTolerance> oh, and firefox closes anytime my background changes
[03:26] <gunny> if not, they will surely make breezy 
[03:26] <NTolerance> i've heard that kde 3.4 under suse doesn't have these problems though
[03:27] <xwing> can someone point me to a dvdripper like dvddecrypter on windows
[03:27] <narg> NT, I think firefox does that to EVERYONE
[03:27] <gunny> I'm wanting to try suse 9.3
[03:27] <NTolerance> even on gnome?
[03:27] <gunny> my firefox doesnt 
[03:27] <narg> no, on kde
[03:27] <NTolerance> oh
[03:27] <narg> peer, howd you stop it gunny?
[03:27] <NTolerance> i wish i knew what caused it
[03:28] <gunny> I have full gnome desktop environment installed  do you?
[03:28] <NTolerance> no
[03:28] <narg> nerp
[03:28] <narg> only base gnome libs
[03:28] <narg> for the gnome progs I run
[03:28] <gunny> that might be the difference they may be a library in gnome that firefox needs but doesnt have a dependency flag set 
[03:28] <NTolerance> hmm
[03:28] <NTolerance> i hope you are right
[03:28] <narg> hrmm
[03:29] <narg> you'd think someone would have thought of that
[03:29] <NTolerance> so just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[03:29] <gunny> NTolerance, yes
[03:29] <NTolerance> i'll try it
[03:29] <narg> NT, you'll get a crapload of crap if you do that :p
[03:29] <NTolerance> but man
[03:29] <narg> gnome is BIG
[03:29] <NTolerance> that's the thing
[03:29] <gunny> its just HD space lol
[03:29] <narg> shrug
[03:29] <NTolerance> even without gnome, my install is now like 7GB
[03:29] <narg> its also bandwidth :p
[03:29] <gunny> about 100 megs of debs 
[03:29] <NTolerance> i ran deborphan and only found like a few packages that i didn't need
[03:29] <narg> gunny ? gnome is more than that
[03:29] <narg> unless the metapackage is small
[03:29] <Diablo-D3> more like 250.
[03:30] <Diablo-D3> which is not so bad at all
[03:30] <gunny> narg,  it may be I never paid that close attention 
[03:30] <NTolerance> how big are your installs of Kubuntu?
[03:30] <gunny> narg,  alot of it is already installed if you use any gtk apps though 
[03:31] <narg> hrm, ja I guess
[03:31] <narg> I might try it once Im done
[03:31] <narg> cp is taking ages
[03:31] <narg> more hidden prefs then I thought :p
[03:31] <gunny> ahyep
[03:32] <gunny> my home folder is 8.3 gis 
[03:32] <narg> good thing I dont have to cp my /rand part (data part)
[03:33] <narg> its like 30 gigs :p
[03:33] <gunny> of course 4 of that is a vmware widows xp 
[03:34] <Drako60> where can i get kernel-source for 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic?
[03:35] <narg> well, off for a bit, reinstalling :)
[03:35] <narg> wish me luck
[03:35] <NTolerance> my home folder is aroung 8GB and my total used space is 13.52
[03:35] <NTolerance> can i free anything up?  i don't have THAT many apps installed
[03:36] <gunny> bye narg
[03:36] <NTolerance> gl narg
[03:36] <narg> cya
[03:41] <NTolerance> aya
[03:41] <NTolerance> yay
[03:41] <NTolerance> can't install ubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <NTolerance> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:42] <NTolerance>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: gnome-spell but it is not going to be installed
[03:42] <NTolerance>                   Depends: libglib2.0-data but it is not going to be installed
[03:42] <NTolerance> E: Broken packages
[03:42] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data
[03:43] <NTolerance> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:43] <NTolerance>   gnome-spell: Depends: aspell but it is not going to be installed
[03:43] <NTolerance>   libglib2.0-data: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.6.3-1) but 2.6.4-1 is to be installed
[03:43] <NTolerance> E: Broken packages
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-0  aspell
[03:44] <NTolerance> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:44] <NTolerance>   libaspell15: Conflicts: aspell-dictionary
[03:44] <NTolerance>   libglib2.0-data: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.6.3-1) but 2.6.4-1 is to be installed
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> apt-get -t ubuntu install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-0  aspell libaspell15
[03:45] <NTolerance> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:45] <NTolerance>   libaspell15: Conflicts: aspell-dictionary
[03:45] <NTolerance>   libglib2.0-data: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.6.3-1) but 2.6.4-1 is to be installed
[03:45] <Diablo-D3> apt-get --reinstall install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-0  aspell libaspell15
[03:45] <NTolerance> hrm
[03:46] <NTolerance> Reinstallation of libglib2.0-0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[03:46] <NTolerance> Reinstallation of libaspell15 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[03:46] <Diablo-D3> damnit I fixed this when I went from sid to ubuntu
[03:47] <Diablo-D3> apt-get --reinstall install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-0=2.6.3-1 aspell libaspell15
[03:47] <NTolerance> Reinstallation of libaspell15 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[03:47] <NTolerance> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:47] <NTolerance>   libaspell15: Conflicts: aspell-dictionary
[03:48] <NTolerance> strange, "reinstall" is greyed out in synaptic too
[03:48] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-0=2.6.3-1 aspell libaspell15 aspell-en
[03:49] <gunny> NTolerance,  install gnome-desktop-environment 
[03:49] <NTolerance> libaspell15 is already the newest version.
[03:49] <Diablo-D3> gunny: thats not what he wants
[03:49] <Diablo-D3> NTolerance: but is it going now?
[03:49] <transgress> heh i don't think installing the desktops is a great thing... i tried installing kubuntu-desktop and it fux0red stuff up
[03:49] <NTolerance> no
[03:49] <gunny> its the same as doing ubuntu-desktop a dummy package
[03:49] <Diablo-D3> NTolerance: whats the error?
[03:50] <NTolerance> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:50] <NTolerance>   libaspell15: Conflicts: aspell-dictionary
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> wtf.
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> and theres one way of solving this
[03:50] <NTolerance> the whole point of this is to fix the firefox disappearing bug
[03:50] <gunny> lol
[03:50] <NTolerance> rm -rf / ?
[03:50] <gunny> use konqueror?
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install gnome-spell libglib2.0-data libglib2.0-0=2.6.3-1 aspell libaspell15=0.50.5-5 aspell-en=0.51-1-1
[03:50] <gunny> konqueror actually suprised me it pretty fast 
[03:51] <NTolerance> :woowoo:
[03:51] <NTolerance> 70MB of disk space will be used
[03:51] <Diablo-D3> I dont doubt it
[03:51] <Diablo-D3> gnome-spell has to pull in a ton of crap
[03:51] <NTolerance> it's removing gaim
[03:51] <NTolerance> damnit
[03:51] <transgress> i really wish they'd recompile the firefox package to not rely on gnome
[03:51] <Diablo-D3> NTolerance: let it
[03:51] <NTolerance> removing kdelibs
[03:51] <NTolerance> uh oh
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> NTolerance: apt-get install gaim afterwards
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> transgress: um, it doesnt
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> NTolerance: wtf? this  _is_ a sid system, right?
[03:52] <transgress> Diablo-D3: the hell you say
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> transgress: firefox-gnome-shit is an extra package
[03:52] <NTolerance> kubuntu hoary
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> transgress: it just happens to be required by ubuntu-desktop
[03:52] <transgress> Diablo-D3: apt-get install mozilla-firefox requires a lot of gnome packages... 
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> NTolerance: wtf did you break?
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> transgress: most of those probably arent gnome packages
[03:53] <gunny> yes it does transgress 
[03:53] <transgress> Diablo-D3: the mozilla-firefox package and mozilla-firefox-gnome-support are the same.
[03:53] <transgress> Diablo-D3: don't insult my intelligence... 
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> transgress: _wtf_
[03:53] <NTolerance> just trying to fix stuff that doesn't work...other people are having the firefox issue
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> they arent on debian
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> what firefox issue is this?
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> and what version of the package?
[03:53] <gunny> I have no idea why I don't have the issue either I was just hazzarding a guess :p
[03:53] <transgress> gconf2 gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common
[03:53] <transgress>   libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libgnome-keyring0
[03:53] <transgress>   libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common
[03:53] <transgress>   libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common
[03:53] <transgress>   shared-mime-info
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> transgress: on debian this isnt true.
[03:54] <gunny> when you change wallpaper in kubuntu, firefox closes
[03:54] <gunny> but not for me 
[03:54] <transgress> Diablo-D3: is this #debian?
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> sounds like a simple firefox bug
[03:54] <NTolerance> i upgraded firefox, no change
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> transgress: no, but it probably should be.
[03:54] <gunny> it seems the only thing I have doen differently is I have gnome installed too
[03:54] <transgress> Diablo-D3: do we look like we are using xfree?  
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> until its fixed in ubuntu, dont change the wallpaper.
[03:55] <NTolerance> ok isntalling ubuntu-desktop now
[03:55] <transgress> i never had that problem with firefox in ubuntu... but i don't use firefox in kubuntu... 
[03:55] <NTolerance> thanks for the help Diablo-D3 
[03:55] <NTolerance> i appreciate it
[03:55] <transgress> not until the binary doesn't require gnome
[03:56] <gunny> Mozilla-browser doesnt seem to require gnome 
[03:56] <gunny> but its soooo bulky
[03:56] <Diablo-D3> why not just use konq?
[03:56] <gunny> want a nice qt based browser? Opera 8 is fast 
[03:56] <NTolerance> i can't do without my firefox extensions
[03:56] <closure> gunny, i like it personally
[03:56] <Diablo-D3> then port them to konq
[03:56] <closure> gunny, mozilla that is
[03:57] <transgress> i actually got mozilla-browser
[03:57] <transgress> and i do use konq, but konq won't let me login to one particular site
[03:57] <transgress> and i have to login to it because it's my work site...
[03:57] <transgress> and i can't do my job w/o logging in...
[03:57] <gunny> konq wont log in to my bank either 
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> file a bug report.
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> file a bug report.
[03:58] <gunny> nope make webmasters conform to standards 
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> and that seems a little bullshitty, do they hate macs that much?
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> I meant file a bug report on work and the bank
[03:58] <gunny> lol good point Diablo-D3 
[03:59] <gunny> unfortunatley with a userbase being what, 95% windows, they write for IE
[03:59] <NTolerance> IE7 is supposed to have improved standards compliance
[03:59] <NTolerance> CSS, transparent PNGs, etc
[03:59] <gunny> If I get REALLY stuck, I fireup my IE in VMWARE
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> but ie7 wont be out until 2008.
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> by then it wont be compliant again
[04:00] <NTolerance> yeah, ie6 is like 1995 vintage
[04:00] <NTolerance> at its core
[04:00] <transgress> it's not about hating mac... i don't know what the problem is with it... it always says something about resending the data and when i try it still doesn't log me in
[04:00] <gunny> mozilla will have 90$ marketshare by then rofl
[04:00] <gunny> er %
[04:00] <transgress> i hate it, because i like using the integrated shit in kde...
[04:00] <sproingie> ninety bucks o' marketshare
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> gunny: it doesnt already?
[04:01] <gunny> not quite   mozilla use is up quite a bit but I think its around 60%
[04:01] <sproingie> most people use the browser that came with the system and never upgrade it
[04:01] <sproingie> that means IE
[04:01] <gunny> true 
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> I mean, I hate firefox and on, but go firefox!
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> sproingie: even when they cant view websites?
[04:01] <transgress> you hate firefox?
[04:02] <transgress> i love firefox, but i'm still not gonna use it until they redo the ubuntu binary
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> well, I dont hate hate it, but its defenetly no konq.
[04:02] <sproingie> Diablo-D3: they just assume the website doesn't work, and move on
[04:02] <gunny> I like opera but I hate the banner adds and I won't pay 39 dollah for a web browser
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> konq is fast and sleek and renders quite a lot of sites correctly
[04:02] <transgress> gunny: bittorrent
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> sproingie: but when thats around 40% of the net?
[04:02] <gunny> what? STEAL software? 
[04:02] <sproingie> the ads in opera are pretty unobtrusive, and you already get quite a bit of vertical screen space
[04:02] <gunny> nah 
[04:02] <transgress> is safari based on konq?
[04:02] <gunny> yes transgress 
[04:02] <sproingie> but i'm not inclined to pay $40 for opera.  $25 maybe
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> safari is based on khtml.
[04:02] <transgress> sproingie: bittorrent
[04:03] <transgress> i'm not inclined to use proprietary software... especially when OSS software works better for me
[04:03] <sproingie> transgress: golly, you mean there are places where people can get these softwarez .. oh, pardon my spelling ... for free?  never heard the like
[04:03] <gunny> I like firefox on OS X better than safari 
[04:03] <transgress> i like firefox better than konq... but as i said... binary on ubuntu sucks
[04:04] <sproingie> i wish konq ran on windows
[04:04] <transgress> bleh
[04:04] <Cowlike> just caught the tail end of this. what is it that people like so much about opera? i'm just curious
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> sproingie: hah, it will soon
[04:04] <gunny> transgress,  you can always build firefox from source lol
[04:04] <sproingie> a native kde port on windows, now THAT would be worth switching shells
[04:04] <transgress> gunny: doesn't wanna build... and i don't wanna hunt down all the packages... i've built it plenty of times heh
[04:04] <gunny> opera is fast, and built on QT Cowlike 
[04:04] <sproingie> i tried litestep, and well, it's a bloody app bar and desktop manager that doesnt manage to be stable
[04:05] <transgress> sproingie: bb4win
[04:05] <sproingie> i'm not willing to go replacing my windows shell.  in fact, i'd just run konq on top of explorer as well
[04:05] <gunny> what do you get in the binary from mozilla.org? same one in ubuntu? just packaged as a deb?
[04:05] <transgress> i never ran IE on windows... i'd run it long enough to install firefox... 
[04:05] <Cowlike> sproingie did you ever try the kde build on top of cygwin/x?
[04:06] <sproingie> MS talked about integrating IE on the desktop and file manager, and all they managed to do was to have explorer.exe and iexplore.exe embed each other as OLE controls
[04:06] <sproingie> and POORLY at that
[04:06] <transgress> gunny: nope... and for some reason the binary gets pissed
[04:06] <sproingie> konq does some real integration
[04:07] <gunny> my integration in konq is borked opening some files I have to open in new window ALOT 
[04:07] <gary> i jest use mozilla :0)
[04:08] <sproingie> Cowlike: kde in cygwin i last tried about a year ago.  crashy.
[04:08] <gunny> transgress, downloading firefox bin now 
[04:08] <sproingie> cygwin ain't exactly a speed demon either
[04:08] <Cowlike> sproingie i never tried the kde but i really love having bash on Windows. and the x server is very good these days
[04:09] <transgress> gunny: k
[04:09] <NTolerance> ubuntu-desktop didn't fix my firefox problem, oh well
[04:09] <NTolerance> it was well worth the try though, thx gunny
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> mingw+msys.
[04:09] <gunny> transgress,  installed without a hitch in my /home directory 
[04:09] <NTolerance> bbl
[04:09] <sproingie> msys is nice except it doesnt interop very well with windows apps
[04:10] <gunny> and its faster to load than th eubuntu package 
[04:10] <Cowlike> sproingie there are some weirdnesses with links and paths but overall i'd much prefer using bash and vi for quick edits. i truly miss the unix utils without it
[04:10] <sproingie> tends to block foreverif you pipe the output of a windows exe to stdin on msys
[04:11] <Cowlike> really? you can't pipe windows console output?
[04:11] <sproingie> i like how it rewrites paths tho, so you can do "notepad /c/apps/foo/bar.ini"
[04:11] <sproingie> tho i've seen it screw up on urls occasionally while trying to be "smart"
[04:12] <sproingie> Cowlike: you can't really mix msys and non-msys apps on the same pipeline.  i forget exactly which way it breaks
[04:13] <sproingie> cygwin has better interop.  it's just slow
[04:14] <Cowlike> and using rsync for my backups is just plain useful too :)
[04:23] <closure> Riddell, is net install going to be an option on breezy?
[04:33] <shad0w1e> anyone know how to get XINERAMA working?
[04:34] <nate_> whats XINERAMA?
[04:34] <shad0w1e> I have a dual display... which works
[04:34] <shad0w1e> (two monitors)
[04:34] <shad0w1e> but KDE thinks I have one
[04:34] <shad0w1e> thus my windows keep coming up halfway on each screen
[04:34] <shad0w1e> its extremely annoying
[04:38] <nate_> shad0w1e: but funny, i bet
[04:38] <shad0w1e> yeah. very funny.
[04:38] <shad0w1e> you wouldnt happen to know what to do about it..would you
[04:48] <jiger> hello all. does anybody know how to why Java Swing apps on kde 3.4 does not show the titlebar text?
[04:49] <jiger> any settings we have to do for titlebar text to appear?
[04:49] <jiger> Currently I can only see thing like <1>, <2> etc
[04:55] <closure> hrm
[04:55] <closure> hrm
[04:55] <closure> hrm
[04:55] <kkathman> hi closure :)
[04:55] <closure> hey kkathman 
[04:57] <nate_> hi kkathman 
[04:57] <nate_> oh, i'm MightyF
[04:58] <kkathman> hi there nate_  :)
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/CVS
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/whitespace
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/actions.xml
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/build.xml
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/pixel.gif
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/space.gif
[04:58] <nate_> nice flooding
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/tab.gif
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/users-guide.xml
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/users-guide.xsl
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/whitespace.gif
[04:58] <jiger> zip:/home/jiger/WhiteSpace_src_hacked.zip/WhiteSpace/WhiteSpace.props
[04:58] <jiger> does any one know why java apps on kubuntu does not show the title text
[04:58] <nate_> w00t for floods!
[04:59] <nate_> BAN
[04:59] <jiger> sorry nate_ was copying something else
[04:59] <closure> wtf
[04:59] <nate_> still flooding
[04:59] <nate_> either way
[04:59] <kkathman> jiger: example?
[05:00] <jiger> actually I am using jEdit which is a Java app. but I don't see its title text
[05:00] <kkathman> jiger I have one java app on my system and it shows the title text just fine
[05:00] <nate_> jiger: maybe you should just use kate ;P
[05:00] <jiger> I am using kubuntu + kde 3.4
[05:00] <jiger> nate_: can't live without jEdit :) 
[05:00] <nate_> jiger: ok
[05:01] <jiger> this only happens with java apps. kde native apps work just fine
[05:01] <jiger> I am using jdk 1.5
[05:01] <kkathman> dunno, but I run Freemind and the text is ok
[05:01] <jiger> can be a jdk 1.5.0_02 bug...maybe
[05:01] <kkathman> I have 1.5.0_03 I think
[05:02] <kkathman> 1 sec
[05:02] <nate_> wow, everyone comment out the first line of the default /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:02] <kkathman> root@denise:/opt/lampp # java -version
[05:02] <kkathman> java version "1.5.0_02"
[05:02] <kkathman> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_02-b09)
[05:02] <kkathman> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_02-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
[05:02] <kkathman> sorry its 02 like yours
[05:02] <jiger> kkathman: Woo same version
[05:02] <kkathman> yep
[05:03] <jiger> can you please try running jEdit with this version?
[05:03] <kkathman> i have a slightly different issue tho, I cant get Opera to run anything java
[05:03] <kkathman> is jedit an apt-get?
[05:04] <jiger> kkathman: well since I am jEdit's developer I use the cvs version directly.
[05:04] <kkathman> uhm no
[05:04] <kkathman> hmm
[05:04] <jiger> but getting from cvs is a very simply matter not very large
[05:04] <jiger> get it..try it...delete it later if u don't want
[05:04] <kkathman> ok well I guess if you tell me how to get it, since Ive never used the cvs stuff
[05:05] <jiger> go to sf.net/projects/jedit go to its CVS section and there is Detailed info on how to get it
[05:05] <kkathman> everything I've done has been either direct compile, direct install or apt-get
[05:05] <kkathman> ok
[05:05] <jiger> u have ant installed?
[05:06] <kkathman> prolly not unless its standard
[05:06] <kkathman> I can get the debian download it seems
[05:06] <jiger> it does not come with standard kubuntu install
[05:06] <jiger> yes
[05:07] <jiger> since u wud be compiling from source.
[05:07] <kkathman> 4.2 version is what is needed?
[05:07] <jiger> Ahh wait another thing that u can do
[05:07] <jiger> u can get devel releases
[05:07] <kkathman> i can just dl the deb and do a dpkg -i
[05:08] <jiger> the deb is old
[05:08] <jiger> 4.2
[05:08] <jiger> try the devel
[05:08] <jiger> 4.3pre2
[05:08] <jiger> just download it and use it no compiling is needed.
[05:08] <kkathman> uhmm thats not avail for debian
[05:08] <jiger> delete it later on if u don't like it
[05:08] <jiger> not needed. it is standard java app
[05:08] <kkathman> only 4.2.0 I think
[05:09] <jiger> does not require deb registration to run it
[05:09] <kkathman> ok I'll get the pre2 then
[05:09] <jiger> download- extract- run
[05:09] <jiger> k
[05:09] <kkathman> cant I just dl the jar?
[05:10] <jiger> well it has some cool stuff like macros, syntax highligting stuff
[05:10] <jiger> not very big to download
[05:11] <kkathman> so I can just dl this to my home directory and run it there?
[05:11] <jiger> yes
[05:13] <kkathman> well I wonder where it put the files?
[05:13] <kkathman> lol
[05:13] <kkathman> I executed the jar...gotta find that
[05:13] <kkathman> find the installation area 1st
[05:14] <jiger> try java -jar jedit.jar
[05:14] <jiger> simply extract the tar and go to the directory
[05:14] <kkathman> the jedit43pre2install.jar runs an install
[05:14] <jiger> oh u mean the installer
[05:15] <jiger> yes install it and run it
[05:15] <kkathman> so I need to find where the jedit.jar is :)
[05:15] <jiger> yes :)
[05:15] <jiger> after install you can run it
[05:15] <jiger> since I work on cvs version I forgot it has an installer :)
[05:15] <kkathman> ok well I ran the installer yes
[05:15] <kkathman> but the jedit.jar isnt in the same directory
[05:16] <kkathman> when I do a java -jar on jedit  it says it is unable to access the jar file
[05:16] <jiger> go into the directory where u asked the installer to install the app
[05:17] <jiger> say /home/kathman/jEdit or something
[05:18] <kkathman> ok got it
[05:19] <kkathman> now you want me to just open a dummy file
[05:19] <kkathman> ok I got a file open
[05:20] <jiger> but what does it show in the title bar?
[05:20] <kkathman> it shows  "jEdit - test (modified)"
[05:20] <jiger> !!!!!!!!!! how come??
[05:20] <kkathman> the other window shows "jEdit Help"
[05:21] <jiger> u sure u are using KUbuntu with kde 3.4?
[05:21] <kkathman> well I opened a test file named "Test"
[05:21] <kkathman> yes
[05:21] <jiger> and what theme/style/settings?
[05:21] <kkathman> uhmm hold on
[05:21] <jiger> I am using Baghira but I saw this even in default setup of kubuntu
[05:21] <kkathman> Theme: Plastic
[05:22] <kkathman> Colors: Plastik
[05:22] <jiger> window decorations?
[05:23] <jiger> style?
[05:23] <kkathman> now my kubuntu I did NOT install via the Kubuntu disk...I originally installed hoary 5.02 then did an apt-get on kubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <jiger> so u r running gnome ubuntu?
[05:23] <kkathman> WIndow Decorations:  Modern System, Button size Normal
[05:24] <kkathman> Style: Keramik
[05:24] <jiger> nope still no title text
[05:25] <kkathman> dont know what the prob is
[05:25] <kkathman> want a screen shot?
[05:25] <jiger> nope I get the picture
[05:25] <kkathman> be happy to send you one
[05:26] <jiger> but wonder why this issue. all other apps, kde native, firefox show up just fine
[05:26] <jiger> kkathman: thanks a lot :)
[05:26] <kkathman> not a problem
[05:26] <kkathman> happy to help
[05:26] <jiger> kkathman: on minimize the title shows as Org-gjt-sp-jedit-jEdit
[05:27] <jiger> but no title on maximise
[05:27] <kkathman> hmm
[05:27] <kkathman> when I quit the program, if it means anything, I got a bunch of warning messages
[05:27] <jiger> ok if it works at ur place then has to be something else.
[05:27] <jiger> not an issues
[05:27] <kkathman> here are the messages I got:
[05:28] <kkathman> [warning]  MiscUtilities: Error moving file: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /root/.jedit/activity.log (No such file or directory) : /root/.jedit/activity.log (No such file or directory)
[05:28] <kkathman> [warning]  MiscUtilities: Error moving file: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /root/.jedit/history (No such file or directory) : /root/.jedit/history (No such file or directory)
[05:28] <kkathman> [warning]  MiscUtilities: Error moving file: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /root/.jedit/recent.xml (No such file or directory) : /root/.jedit/recent.xml (No such file or directory)
[05:28] <kkathman> [warning]  MiscUtilities: Error moving file: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /root/.jedit/killring.xml (No such file or directory) : /root/.jedit/killring.xml (No such file or directory)
[05:28] <kkathman> [warning]  MiscUtilities: Error moving file: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /root/.jedit/properties (No such file or directory) : /root/.jedit/properties (No such file or directory)
[05:28] <jiger> ya that is ok
[05:28] <kkathman> dont know if that helps or not
[05:28] <kkathman> but thought I'd throw it that way
[05:28] <jiger> u running as root?
[05:28] <kkathman> yes
[05:29] <kkathman> want me to retry as a reg user?
[05:30] <jiger> I tried as root by doing sudo -sh and then running jedit
[05:30] <jiger> no title text still
[05:30] <jiger> damn what the problem with it god knows
[05:30] <kkathman> well I have enabled my root in my system
[05:31] <jiger> hmm
[05:31] <kkathman> ok...just tried with a regular user..and I get the text title but still get those exit warmings
[05:33] <jiger> kkathman: those warnings are ok.
[05:33] <kkathman> okie dokie
[05:33] <jiger> ok tried it with appletviewer. it too has the same issue.
[05:33] <jiger> seems like a bug somewhere for sure
[05:34] <foodcoman> Did they ever fix the KDElibs-data update?
[05:34] <kkathman> foodcoman: yes
[05:34] <jiger> kkathman: thanks for all your helps. time to go to office :)
[05:34] <kkathman> jiger..not a prob
[05:35] <foodcoman> I have been avoiding the upgrade.... Can I just let it roll without loosing my KDE settings?
[05:35] <kkathman> just go here and download this and run it in a shell:   http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh 
[05:35] <jiger> bye
[05:35] <foodcoman> Thanks kkathman
[05:36] <kkathman> no problem
[05:37] <foodcoman> kkathman: Do I run this after the upgrade or before?
[05:41] <_phate_> Is there away to make the default KDE desktop icons show up?
[05:45] <_phate_> anyone alive?
[05:46] <foodcoman> Is there a way to......
[05:46] <foodcoman> My Kubuntu installed didnt have any icons.  It was a default install.
[05:46] <foodcoman> Unique to the distro.
[05:48] <_phate_> but I want the icons on the desktop, I kinda like them
[05:51] <_natofe> hola
[05:53] <_phate_> Methinks Kubuntu is a bad idea.
[05:54] <_phate_> I can't seem to get any support, anywhere.
[05:54] <_phate_> bye bye people
[06:20] <mrmanic> too bad phate didn't stick around a while longer.
[06:20] <mrmanic> I had an answer
[06:20] <crimsun> he's still in #ubuntu
[06:20] <crimsun> err, sorry, no he's not
[06:20] <mrmanic> :)
[06:21] <mrmanic> I'm not too worried about it.
[06:21] <mrmanic> He seemed too willing to give up.
[06:22] <mrmanic> is there a way to permanently change the nice value of an application?
[06:22] <mrmanic> such that after you reboot it will stay where you set it?
[06:22] <danko123456> ha
[06:23] <danko123456> theyre funny
[06:23] <mrmanic> my frustration is that things like minimizing and maximizing windows mess up my sound unless I set the nice value artsd to a lower number.
[06:24] <danko123456> hey, why does my window resize when I open a folder, or change the folder, in general, when we're on that topic...
[06:24] <danko123456> hah
[06:24] <danko123456> but, this is channel kubuntu:)
[06:26] <mrmanic> danko123456: are you chiding me for being ridiculously OT? :)
[06:26] <mrmanic> incidentally, I don't get that window resize issue.
[06:26] <danko123456> oh, no not at all, just asked that cause it remnded me of what annoys me on my comp, but remembered taht this is kubuntu, and I use gnome.
[06:27] <mrmanic> oh
[06:27] <mrmanic> haha
[06:27] <mrmanic> gotcha
[06:27] <danko123456> serious.
[06:27] <danko123456> :)
[06:28] <mrmanic> :)
[06:28] <mrmanic> I guess that explains why I'm not seeing your issue. :)
[06:29] <danko123456> that too
[06:33] <nate__> how can i be sure my ssh is encrypted and very secure?
[06:34] <nate__> anyone?
[06:34] <mrmanic> no idea
[06:34] <mrmanic> read up on it?
[06:34] <nate__> mrmanic: thanks :)
[06:35] <mrmanic> I only say that b/c I have a friend who does that.  He researches and researches until he figures out just what encryption a particular piece of software uses and how.
[06:35] <nate__> mrmanic: yeah, its 11:30 PM on a Wednesday....
[06:36] <nate__> mrmanic: not much chance of me doing that
[06:36] <mrmanic> ah
[06:37] <mrmanic> well, sorry I couldn't help you more.
[06:37] <mrmanic> I just trust the fates with my dreaded DEFAULT CONFIGURATION
[06:37] <kkathman> hi mrmanic  :)
[06:37] <nate__> mrmanic: haha :)
[06:37] <mrmanic> there's very little that I do that is that important
[06:37] <danko123456> its fine, its SSh...
[06:37] <mrmanic> hey kkathman 
[06:37] <kkathman> how are you sir?
[06:37] <nate__> danko123456: i just went through this whole deal with manually exchanging public gpg keys between clients
[06:38] <Cowlike> nate__, start by reading the info at http://www.openssh.com/  and, if you're really motivated, sniff your network and you'll see that the information is encrypted in your ssh session
[06:38] <mrmanic> kkathman: can't complain.  Just used renice for the first time, so I'm trying to figure out how all that stuff works.
[06:38] <nate__> danko123456: and i'm not sure if its even using it
[06:38] <kkathman> well let me know what thats all about :)
[06:39] <danko123456> (23:34:51) nate__: how can i be sure my ssh is encrypted and very secure?
[06:39] <danko123456> anyhow...
[06:40] <mrmanic> kkathman: renice allows you to set the priority of a running process
[06:40] <mrmanic> in my case, I reniced artsd so that it wouldn't skip every time I minimized or maximized a window
[06:41] <mrmanic> I am now trying to figure out how to renice artsd automatically, or make sure the nice value stays between reboots.
[06:42] <kkathman> im not at all sure what renice does
[06:43] <Cowlike> kkathman, he told you, it allows you to alter the priority of a running process (although non-root users and only decrease it)
[06:43] <kkathman> ohhh priority I see
[06:43] <Cowlike> man renice 
[06:43] <kkathman> sorry my IRC window got caught behind another window hehe
[06:44] <Cowlike> 30 per desktop?
[06:44] <mrmanic> that's a lot of windows
[06:44] <kkathman> Im just kiddin :)
[06:44] <mrmanic> I spread mine out over 6 - 10 desktops
[06:45] <mrmanic> but I generally only have 1-3 per desktop.
[06:45] <kkathman> I have 4 desktops but only typically use three of those
[06:46] <nate__> i use one desktop
[06:47] <mrmanic> nate__: doesn't it get cluttered?
[06:47] <kkathman> does everyone use Konversation here for their IRC?
[06:47] <nate__> mrmanic: i only use 2-3 windows at once, one is irssi, one is the terminal, and the third is whatever
[06:48] <mrmanic> ah
[06:48] <nate__> mrmanic: file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[06:48] <nate__> errr
[06:48] <mrmanic> ?!
[06:48] <nate__> http://img161.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot12um.png
[06:49] <nate__> nothing special, but i think its pretty good looking
[06:49] <transgress> ha nate... interesting desktop
[06:50] <nate__> transgress: meh, kinda boring i think
[06:51] <mrmanic> how do you like irssi, nate__?
[06:51] <transgress> outdated but still: http://irclikelife.com/pics/deb.jpg
[06:52] <nate__> mrmanic: its pretty nice, i like it
[06:53] <mrmanic> man
[06:53] <mrmanic> I'm starting to feel screenshot envy
[06:53] <nate__> transgress: i like your bottom bar, what is that?
[06:53] <mrmanic> I just blew away my .kde directory last night, or I'd screenshot my screen.
[06:54] <mrmanic> nate__: you might look into kooldock
[06:54] <mrmanic> nate__: I've been very happy with kooldock
[06:54] <nate__> mrmanic: sure thing
[06:54] <mrmanic> it has its problems, but overall, it's pretty cool
[06:54] <kkathman> I'd screen shot mine, but I dont have anywhere to put it :)
[06:55] <mrmanic> kkathman: if you send it to me, I can put it up on my domain
[06:55] <nate__> kkathman: www.imageshack.us
[06:55] <nate__> kkathman: like pastebin for pictures
[06:55] <kkathman> kewl mrmanic :)
[07:00] <NTolerance> http://www.supload.com/012005/snapshot5-1-052.png
[07:01] <nate__> heh
[07:01] <nate__> man ssh
[07:01] <nate__> errr
[07:01] <NTolerance> haha
[07:02] <nate__> shush
[07:02] <nate__> was figuring out how to specify a port
[07:04] <mrmanic> haha
[07:05] <mrmanic> NTolerance: what do you use for your docker?
[07:17] <mrmanic> ugh
[07:17] <mrmanic> that was annoying
[07:17] <mrmanic> I just got my first hard stop with kubuntu
[07:17] <mrmanic> for no reason that I can fathom
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> yay
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> a first for everything I guess
[07:18] <mrmanic> at any rate, kkathman's screenshot is up at http://powers.bz/mrmanic/snapshot2.png
[07:22] <kkathman> thanks mrmanic  :)
[07:22] <mrmanic> np
[07:34] <nate__> muhahaha
[07:34] <nate__> hehehe
[07:34] <nate__> w00t! :)
[07:40] <kkathman> where's Tm_T ..havent seen him much 
[07:41] <kkathman> are there settings to adjust the size of the icon grid on the desktop?
[07:51] <mrmanic> kkathman: I could have sworn there were, but maybe that's a hidden setting somewhere.
[08:10] <mrmanic> man
[08:10] <mrmanic> kioslaves rock so hard
[08:14] <transgress> anyone using kopete?
[08:15] <mrmanic> I am
[08:15] <mrmanic> whatcha need?
[08:16] <kkathman> transgress: I used to
[08:16] <transgress> did you have sound on it?
[08:16] <kkathman> but found it a bit too buggy
[08:16] <kkathman> no
[08:16] <mrmanic> sound?  not currently.
[08:16] <kkathman> no sound
[08:16] <transgress> oh and you too mrmanic ...
[08:16] <mrmanic> it is pretty buggy
[08:16] <kkathman> I used GAIM
[08:16] <mrmanic> I do normally have sound, though, transgress 
[08:16] <transgress> i can't get sound to work for shit... other than that and random shit crashing it seems kind of nice... but i only use it for transferring files... on the few msn buddies i have
[08:16] <mrmanic> odd
[08:16] <kkathman> Plus Kopete is caught up in that European IP thing
[08:16] <mrmanic> sound works for me.
[08:17] <transgress> you change anything?
[08:17] <transgress> eh i don't use it enough to really work at it, but my sound works, just not for kopete
[08:17] <Diablo-D3> kopete also is a pain in the ass sometimes
[08:18] <mrmanic> transgress: have you actually checked to see if sound is enabled?
[08:18] <mrmanic> like, under configure notifications
[08:19] <transgress> mrmanic: yes
[08:19] <mrmanic> can you hear the sound when you test it?
[08:22] <transgress> no
[08:22] <mrmanic> try running kopete via artsdsp
[08:22] <mrmanic> artsdsp kopete
[08:23] <transgress> did that, went to run sounds... didn't work
[08:23] <transgress> err test
[08:23] <transgress> sounds
[08:23] <mrmanic> weird
[08:23] <Diablo-D3> woah that was fucked up
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> I burnt a cd
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> put it back in
[08:24] <mrmanic> try resetting your artsd settings in kcontrol
[08:24] <transgress> tried that
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> mount kept saying the cdrom hated life
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> so I eject -t /dev/hdc
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> (-t is close the tray)
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> and it magically comes back to life
[08:25] <mrmanic> weird
[08:25] <transgress> it doesn't want to play sounds in the system notifications at all in control center
[08:25] <transgress> but test sound in sound system works
[08:27] <mrmanic> under system notifications, what are your settings under "player settings"?
[08:28] <transgress> use kde sound system
[08:28] <transgress> cahnged it to artsplay
[08:28] <transgress> stuff works now
[08:28] <transgress> i also changed it
[08:28] <Diablo-D3> night all
[08:28] <transgress> night
[08:29] <mrmanic> transgress: if it works, great.
[08:29] <mrmanic> transgress: I find that kind of strange all the same.
[08:29] <mrmanic> It should just work by default
[08:31] <mrmanic> I think I should head to bed myself.
[08:37] <transgress> yay for amazon making it so easy to spend my money
[08:38] <kkathman> lol
[08:38] <kkathman> mrmanic: do you know the tool for unzipping an archive?
[08:38] <kkathman> I know that tar does gz tar and bz2
[08:38] <mrmanic> kkathman: what kind of archive?
[08:38] <kkathman> its a zip
[08:38] <mrmanic> unzip
[08:39] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:40] <mrmanic> kkathman: one easy way to check on that kind of thing is to pop open a terminal and type apropos [whatever you're interested in] 
[08:40] <mrmanic> that'll give you a list of manpages to check out
[08:41] <mrmanic> apropos searches the man db for your search terms
[08:42] <closure> christ
[08:43] <mrmanic> where?
[08:43] <closure> my swap runs out i think and godamn kde just closes shit
[08:43] <mrmanic> ouch
[08:44] <closure> GODAMNIT!
[08:44] <closure> if this thing doesn't stop i'm going to throw this laptop across the room
[08:44] <closure> any idea how to clear the swap/web cache?
[08:48] <mrmanic> well, you can clear the swap if you have enough memory by sudo swapoff -a
[08:48] <mrmanic> but that's only if you have enough memory to hold what's in swap
[08:48] <mrmanic> you'll need to turn it back on again if you want to use it later, though
[08:48] <mrmanic> with sudo swapon -a
[08:52] <mrmanic> konquerer cache is under the konquerer configurationi dialog
[08:52] <mrmanic> mine is set to 5 megs
[09:07] <St0n3-C0l> KDE utilizes more RAM when using SuperKaramba ??
[09:07] <mrmanic> superkaramba might use a shared library not used by something else.
[09:08] <mrmanic> kde memory use is actually kind of interesting
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> hm
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> I feel GNOME uses less memory than KDE
[09:09] <mrmanic> you might be right
[09:10] <mrmanic> I somehow manage to use up over 800 megs of memory on various stuff
[09:10] <mrmanic> here's the thing
[09:10] <mrmanic> if you use a lot of kde apps
[09:11] <mrmanic> you'll reap more benefits from the shared memory/shared libraries included in kde
[09:11] <mrmanic> or you'll tend to, anyway
[09:11] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[09:11] <mrmanic> if you don't use a lot of kde apps, you probably won't
[09:12] <mrmanic> there are some pretty compelling reasons to use kde apps, though.
[09:12] <mrmanic> konversation and kopete integration with kontact.
[09:12] <mrmanic> they fit together very nicely
[09:12] <St0n3-C0l> when I use Karamba...alot of memory is utilized like 230-240 megs out of 256mb
[09:12] <mrmanic> ouch
[09:12] <mrmanic> I don't use karamba
[09:13] <mrmanic> I recall it being a bit of a memory hog
[09:13] <St0n3-C0l> maybe thats the reason
[09:13] <mrmanic> are you getting your info from top or from someplace else?
[09:13] <St0n3-C0l> from Karamba's sysinfo
[09:13] <St0n3-C0l> wait a min
[09:15] <mrmanic> what about when you do top when karamba is running?
[09:15] <mrmanic> do you get similar info from top?
[09:16] <St0n3-C0l> dun know :P never checked..but then other things take time to start
[09:16] <mrmanic> what are you running karamba for?
[09:16] <mrmanic> are you doing it for an osx style dock?
[09:16] <mrmanic> if so, you might try kooldock.
[09:16] <St0n3-C0l> nah
[09:17] <mrmanic> oko
[09:17] <mrmanic> er, ok
[09:17] <St0n3-C0l> I don't understand one thing...when GNOME starts KDE apps it takes some time but starts with their default theme
[09:18] <St0n3-C0l> but when KDE starts GNOME apps it doesn't take any time but just start with no theme thingie :P
[09:18] <mrmanic> you might need to install the qt-gtk converter thingy
[09:19] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...if that will work...i'll thankful of yours ;)
[09:20] <mrmanic> well, that should make it so that gtk apps get loaded with the qt theme (or a close approximation)
[09:21] <kkathman> mrmanic: do you know if there is a way to adjust the icon spacing on the desktop?
[09:21] <St0n3-C0l> aham thanks
[09:22] <mrmanic> kkathman: no, I looked around but couldn't find anything.
[09:23] <kkathman> yeah I cant either
[09:23] <kkathman> mine seem to be spaced a little too far apart
[09:24] <St0n3-C0l> mrmanic: one clipboard thing is really nice in KDE
[09:25] <mrmanic> St0n3-C0l: one clipboard think?  you mean klipper?
[09:26] <kkathman> well Im off to bed...cyall tomorrow (or later today)
[09:26] <kkathman> kkathman-asleep
[09:26] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[09:27] <mrmanic> later kkathman 
[09:28] <mrmanic> St0n3-C0l: klipper is pretty useful.  I find some of its added functionality (popups, etc) annoying, but that's all off by default so no biggie
[09:29] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[09:29] <St0n3-C0l> is there something like klipper for gnome ?
[09:30] <mrmanic> no idea
[09:30] <mrmanic> you can run kicker in gnome
[09:31] <St0n3-C0l> dont u think kicker hangs ?
[09:31] <St0n3-C0l> i mean sometimes it just freeze
[09:31] <St0n3-C0l> when u select taskbar things...
[09:31] <mrmanic> not on my system
[09:32] <St0n3-C0l> hm..
[09:32] <mrmanic> like, there might be a tiny pause, but it's generally a quick jump
[09:32] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[09:32] <St0n3-C0l> i'll make a screenshot when this will happen :P
[09:33] <mrmanic> I'm off to bed myself
[09:33] <mrmanic> Catch you on the flipside
[09:34] <St0n3-C0l> ok bye ;)
[10:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, I was sleeping
[10:30] <mikl> ack, bogofilter seems to be broken :(
[10:30] <da_didi> hi
[10:31] <da_didi> i just installed kubuntu on the 2nd computer and they share one monitor over a "kvm". But the kde is a little bit too far left moved and i can't change it at the monitor.. Is it possible to calibrate the X window somewhere else?
[10:32] <closure> hrm
[10:32] <closure> weird
[10:32] <da_didi> the windows on the same computer ist okay and/or calibrated by software (nvidia)
[10:33] <closure> no idea
[10:33] <closure> sounds strange though
[10:33] <da_didi> and idea where to ask?
[10:44] <closure> you can try the forum
[10:44] <closure> www.ubuntuforums.org
[11:43] <ok023> how to make kubuntu auto-connect with router?
[11:43] <ok023> anyone here
[11:44] <da_didi> sorry?
[11:44] <ok023> y/
[11:44] <da_didi> auto-connect?
[11:45] <ok023> yes,to internet
[11:45] <da_didi> edit the /etc/network/interfaces
[11:46] <da_didi> i can paste you some lines in a query
[11:46] <ok023> i have dhcp server
[11:46] <da_didi> even then you edit the file
[11:47] <da_didi>  iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:41] <ubuntu> hey
[12:41] <ubuntu> does ubuntu support sata ?
[12:41] <da_didi> yes
[12:41] <da_didi> i just installed it some hours ago
[12:41] <ubuntu> i'm on kubuntu live
[12:41] <ubuntu> and i can't find my hard drive !
[12:41] <da_didi> i had kubuntu install
[12:42] <da_didi> and via chipset
[12:42] <ubuntu> in kinfocenter, partition: nothing
[12:42] <ubuntu> i tried to mount the first partition, windows ntfs
[12:42] <ubuntu> but it failed
[12:42] <ubuntu> cuz it not exist !
[12:43] <ubuntu> doesn't*
[12:43] <da_didi> ever tryed knoppix or other linux=
[12:43] <warren> is it me or when you do a /etc/init.d/network it does not update the dhcp(eth0)
[12:43] <ubuntu> i don't remember the chipset it's intel i915 or something else
[12:43] <da_didi> warren: you have to restart service /etc/init.d/networking restart orso
[12:44] <ubuntu> i can't download e driver for my hard drive ?
[12:44] <warren> err.. it does not update the ip 
[12:44] <ubuntu> lol
[12:44] <da_didi> then you know /sbin/ifconfig
[12:45] <warren> bah too lazy for long commands ... 
[12:45] <warren> and i type /etc/init.d/network restart at lightnin fast speed 
[12:45] <warren> hm will lookinto it later.. 
[12:45] <ubuntu> ... kubuntu is so good, i want it ! is it possible to download a driver ?
[12:46] <Tm_T> what driver?
[12:46] <da_didi> ubuntu: normaly the driver should be in the kernel already
[12:46] <ubuntu> for a hard drive ?
[12:46] <ubuntu> sata ?
[12:46] <Tm_T> ehh
[12:46] <Tm_T> it's in kernel already?
[12:46] <da_didi> or with a driver disk (windows uses this way)
[12:46] <ubuntu> yeah i'm a noob i won't be able to compile the kernel
[12:47] <ubuntu> how can i look if it's in the kernel ?
[12:47] <warren> less /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386
[12:47] <da_didi> IIRC "modprobe" and then the module
[12:48] <warren> to see if the module is compiled in the kernel 
[12:48] <warren> lsmod list he modules being used
[12:48] <Drako60> does anyone know how to get nvida sound working, i hear gnome sounds but nothing else
[12:48] <warren> die warren is a alias for killall -9 warren 
[12:49] <ubuntu> is libata for p-ata or for the both ?
[12:49] <warren> hey i have the ubuntu package for monotone... where do i upload it ?? 
[12:49] <ubuntu> lsmod => there is libata
[12:49] <warren> or so 
[12:50] <lwizardl> hi
[12:51] <warren> hey 
[12:51] <ubuntu> what's the fuck... ?
[12:51] <warren> btw any one plans packaging the debian version of yast 
[12:51] <ubuntu> ubuntu live: no hard drive
[12:52] <ubuntu> ubuntu install: my hard drive 200gb ut
[12:52] <lwizardl> can someone help me with a copy config problems
[12:52] <ubuntu> i can't find partitions, it wants just install ubuntu on all the hard drive
[12:53] <da_didi> ubuntu: have a look without the installer, there is a point "create partitons by hand" or so
[12:54] <ubuntu> yeah i know, but i can't
[12:54] <ubuntu> it's: use all the hard drive
[12:54] <ubuntu> or by hand: all the hard drive !
[12:54] <da_didi> well, i have a ntfs and a decrypted partition and he noticed all
[12:55] <spreda> does kubuntu save the mbr before writing grub to it?
[12:55] <ubuntu> that's why i don't understand
[12:55] <ubuntu> and in live version there si no hard drive
[12:55] <ubuntu> no i hav'nt install ubuntu
[12:55] <lwizardl> i have a onboard Nvidia GeForce4 MX with a HP M700 monitor and only scren res i have is 640x480 or 320x240
[12:56] <smouche-bed> ubuntu, what partitions do you have already?
[12:56] <ubuntu> when i saw i couldn't create prtitions i abandone
[12:56] <da_didi> lwizardl: reconfigure xserver-xorg or so
[12:56] <da_didi> or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:56] <ubuntu> i have a ntfs partition with winxp
[12:56] <ubuntu> an other in vfat with data
[12:57] <ubuntu> and 2 partitions: backup and recover ntsf i think, it's the winxp oem version
[12:57] <lwizardl> da_didi: i'm new to this I just did the install
[12:57] <ubuntu> and ubuntu can't find them
[12:57] <lwizardl> surprise I managed to get it installed with dualboot winxp
[12:58] <lwizardl> err i'm surprised
[12:59] <ubuntu> ..... !!!!!!!
[12:59] <ubuntu> i munted /dev/hda on /mnt/win
[12:59] <ubuntu> it's the cdrom !
[12:59] <ubuntu> dev/hda ? cd ?
[01:00] <da_didi> lwizardl: while the install, he ask you about the resolution of the screen
[01:00] <da_didi> .oO(it, not he)
[01:00] <ubuntu> lol
[01:01] <ubuntu> not english ?
[01:01] <ubuntu> ahah
[01:01] <da_didi> sometimes i am already speaking with my computers
[01:01] <lwizardl> da_didi: i didn't see anything about screen
[01:01] <ubuntu> i'm french... i'm 16... i certainly made lot's of mistakes
[01:01] <da_didi> lwizardl: which resolution do you want to have?
[01:01] <da_didi> 1024x.. or higher?
[01:01] <Tm_T> ubuntu: heh, my cdrmo is also /dev/hda
[01:01] <ubuntu> 1280
[01:02] <lwizardl> 1280
[01:02] <ubuntu> ok but there is nothing on hdb or hdc !
[01:02] <lwizardl> thats what my windows res is
[01:02] <ubuntu> is the hard disk on hdz ?
[01:02] <da_didi> lwizardl: then i upload some lines you just have to paste in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:02] <Drako60> anyone help me get my nvidia sound working?
[01:03] <ubuntu> sorry i'm a newb
[01:03] <ubuntu> alsa, osp ?
[01:03] <Drako60> oss
[01:03] <ubuntu> oss* right
[01:03] <ubuntu> lol
[01:03] <Drako60> i can hear then in the gui but nothing else
[01:03] <Tm_T> ubuntu: it depends your hardware settings :p
[01:04] <ubuntu> well how can i see if a have my fucking hard disk recognize by unbuntu ?
[01:04] <Tm_T> ubuntu: I think sata have it's own hw codes than pata
[01:04] <da_didi> lwizardl: http://bacchus.ghb.fh-furtwangen.de/~didi/public/download/xorg.txt just remove the comments and justify the graphic card and so..
[01:04] <Tm_T> ubuntu: so it might be sda or something
[01:05] <da_didi> and paste it in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:05] <da_didi> there is allready such a pust
[01:05] <da_didi> *part
[01:06] <ubuntu> ooook...
[01:06] <ubuntu> i'll try sda
[01:06] <lwizardl> ok what do i use to open that xorg.conf?
[01:06] <da_didi> sudo nano /etc/X11.. for example
[01:07] <ubuntu> thhhhhhhhxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[01:08] <ubuntu> it's SDA !!!!
[01:08] <ubuntu> yeaaaaaah
[01:08] <ubuntu> thx very much
[01:08] <ubuntu> i'm going to eat
[01:08] <ubuntu> thx
[01:08] <ubuntu> bybye
[01:09] <Tm_T> oh, it is sda? I just quessed :p
[01:09] <Tm_T> an educated quess
[01:09] <Tm_T> g
[01:09] <Tm_T> whatever, shover ->
[01:09] <da_didi> i also have sda for my sata
[01:11] <lwizardl> ok da_didi i got the xorg.conf open in kate(?) what do i need to do (don't want to mess something up and have to redo the install)
[01:11] <da_didi> one moment
[01:12] <da_didi> there is maybe a better way
[01:12] <lwizardl> in my conf file i have alot of screen res's
[01:12] <da_didi> there exits a programm "xorgconfig"
[01:12] <da_didi> lwizardl: just add the other resolutions as in my file shown
[01:13] <lwizardl> my current is "DefaultDepth 24" and 24 says "Modes  "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "640x400""
[01:14] <da_didi> strange
[01:14] <da_didi> is in the kcontrolcenter the resolution right?
[01:14] <lwizardl> think a reboot would fix?
[01:14] <da_didi> dunno
[01:15] <lwizardl> i'll give that a try
[01:15] <lwizardl> brb
[01:15] <smouche> Drako60, what kind of sound files are you trying to hear/
[01:15] <smouche> ?
[01:16] <Drako60> dvd, vob, avi, mp3 ect ect
[01:16] <smouche> maybe you simply don't have the codecs
[01:16] <Drako60> i got mplayer working had to switch ao=alsa to ao=oss in mplayer.conf
[01:16] <da_didi> or the kmix is not turned or so..
[01:17] <Drako60> no i made sure the mixer was unmuted and turned up
[01:17] <Drako60> but i got it working now so no worries
[01:17] <smouche> Drako60, you might try installing xine-ui, that seems to bring stuff in with it that could help, w32 codecs and such
[01:18] <smouche> otherwise, if you haven't checke www.ubuntuguide.org yet, that could help
[01:18] <Drako60> xine-ui for video or audio?
[01:18] <smouche> both, I think, mainly video
[01:19] <Drako60> ahh ok
[01:19] <smouche> see, you probably have the xine engine on there already, but not all the proprietary codecs or wrappers, whatever
[01:20] <smouche> how are you today, Tm_T?
[01:20] <Drako60> mplayer
[01:20] <Drako60> mplayer is all i need
[01:20] <smouche> mplayer depends on an engine like xine, doesn't it?  And the players no good if you don't have the codecs
[01:21] <Drako60> mplayer depends on ffmpeg and libav i believe
[01:21] <smouche> Drake60, while you're trying these things, stuff might hang, and you may have to kill artsd if it's running
[01:22] <smouche> just guessing here
[01:24] <lwizardl> ok reboot didn't fix
[01:25] <da_didi> lwizardl: in kde controlroom there is a option for the resolution, whats there?
[01:27] <lwizardl> in display i have 640x480 & 320x240
[01:27] <da_didi> i would backup the xorg.conf and try "sudo xorgconfigure"
[01:29] <lwizardl> so i goto run and type in sudo xorgconfigure?
[01:30] <smouche> I think you need a terminal for that, lwizardl --
[01:31] <smouche> sudo xorgconfig
[01:31] <lwizardl> ok in the config screens
[01:32] <lwizardl> hmm says emulate3buttons. i have a 4 button mouse plus a wheel/5th button
[01:33] <lwizardl> so i say no?
[01:33] <smouche> I don't know, lwizard1, I only have a touchpad!
[01:34] <smouche> lwizard1, you might want to google this issue, or check the kubuntu wiki, before altering xorg
[01:37] <lwizardl> this is my keyboard/mouse http://www.mic-innovations.com/mi/details.cfm?id=KB985W
[01:39] <smouche> lwizard1, you'll need to google around and see if other people are using that mouse with xorg or xfree, and find out what settings
[01:40] <smouche> they use, if any, to enable those extra buttons
[01:40] <lwizardl> k
[01:40] <smouche> going through the xconfig program will just be trial and error unless
[01:40] <smouche> you have more info on your hardware on linux in general
[01:41] <smouche> lwizardl: , you might get lucky and find other folks have similar hardware,
[01:42] <smouche> and they may have posted their own xorg.conf that you could copy from
[01:44] <smouche> lwizardl: check on #ubuntu too, if you haven't already.
[01:45] <lwizardl> nope i haven't
[01:46] <smouche> lwizardl: a lot more people are on there, you might have more luck for general config issues -- good luck! Ciao
[01:47] <lwizardl> thanks
[02:03] <ana150> hi, what was the command, to change utf-8 to iso-8859-15?
[02:04] <ana150> something about the packages
[02:06] <Tm_T> smouche_off_to_w: fine thanks :)
[02:06] <zub> Hello, is there a way to see your old non-formatted HD after installing Kubuntu? I like my old files :(
[02:06] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[02:07] <zub> The question is how ;)
[02:07] <ana150> you have just mount it :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> zub: try in konqi "media:/"
[02:07] <zub> okay...
[02:07] <ana150> i suggest www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:07] <Tm_T> haha
[02:08] <ana150> :)
[02:09] <ana150> hey, anybody? how can i change language encoding to iso-8559-15?
[02:09] <Tm_T> ana150: hmm, you are from where?
[02:10] <ana150> finland :)
[02:10] <Tm_T> ana150: /j #ubuntu-fi, I explain there
[02:10] <ana150> :)
[02:13] <zub> Ugh, now I have to enable cookies to use MSN... I should have stayed with win 3.11 :(
[02:13] <Tm_T> hahaha
[02:17] <zub> This confuses me though, I apparently enabled as many cookies as I could, but it still won't let me on Linux :P
[02:17] <Tm_T> ehhh
[02:17] <Tm_T> what app?
[02:17] <zub> kopete...
[02:19] <Tm_T> zub: strange...
[02:21] <zub> I agree
[02:39] <da_didi> hmm, i dont't hear anything in my kubuntu system, strange. oss is loaded and looks like it works
[02:39] <da_didi> the volume is up and not muted..
[03:04] <KaiL> interesting...
[03:04] <KaiL> kdelibs-data does it destructive work even if knetworkconf isn't installed
[03:06] <da_didi> KaiL: any idea about:
[03:06] <Akrame> why kubuntu is better than ubuntu ?
[03:06] <da_didi> [14:39:23]  <da_didi> hmm, i dont't hear anything in my kubuntu system, strange. oss is loaded and looks like it works
[03:06] <da_didi> [14:39:43]  <da_didi> the volume is up and not muted..
[03:07] <KaiL> Akrame: because it's KDE :)
[03:07] <da_didi> Akrame: it use kde instead of gnome
[03:07] <Akrame> :P
[03:07] <KaiL> da_didi: any strange sound hardware?
[03:07] <da_didi> KaiL: no, the last debian worked also with OSS and ALSA. oss is loaded
[03:08] <KaiL> kubuntu uses alsa
[03:08] <da_didi> i also tryed alsa, no effect
[03:08] <KaiL> there are normally no oss devices (you need alsa-oss for them)
[03:08] <xe||> da_didi: is it sound in general or just system sounds?
[03:08] <da_didi> sound in general
[03:09] <da_didi> on my notebook it work
[03:09] <Akrame> ok
[03:09] <Akrame> is kde quicker than gnome ?
[03:09] <da_didi> it is nicer :)
[03:10] <da_didi> i will read the forum now
[03:12] <Aircobra> hello
[03:22] <xwing> can someone help me with configuring kubuntu for my monitor/video card this 640x480/320x240 only sucks
[03:22] <Tm_T_> :)
[03:39] <Japsu> hey, I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop, and my cardbus prism54 WLANIC worked during the installation. However, after having booted to the new system, it no longer works. iwconfig shows "NOT READY" as the state of the device.
[03:40] <Japsu> How do I get it to work?
[03:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:45] <Tm_T> Japsu: first question, you are from?
[03:51] <Japsu> Tm_T: what do you mean? country? Finland...
[03:52] <Japsu> I fail to see how that's relevant...
[03:52] <mikl> Agreed :)
[03:53] <Tm_T> Japsu: /j #ubuntu-fi
[03:53] <Tm_T> mikl: so we can use finnish ;)
[03:53] <Japsu> :D
[03:53] <Japsu> lol
[03:53] <mikl> Are you finish? No, I'm danish :)
[03:53] <Tm_T> mikl: we are
[03:53] <Tm_T> finnish
[03:54] <Tm_T> not finish =)
[03:54] <mikl> It was a pun :)
[03:55] <Japsu> gah. :P
[03:58] <ubuntu> re
[03:58] <mikl> who is ubuntu 
[03:58] <ZeCrazyTux> it's me
[03:58] <mikl> oh, right
[03:58] <ZeCrazyTux> lol
[03:58] <ZeCrazyTux> well, i've a big pb !
[03:58] <mikl> :)
[03:58] <ZeCrazyTux> of partioning..
[03:59] <ZeCrazyTux> i've a partition ntfs for winxp
[03:59] <ZeCrazyTux> deux for backup and recover (oem version of winxp)
[03:59] <ZeCrazyTux> and an other partition fat 
[04:00] <ZeCrazyTux> with data on it
[04:00] <ZeCrazyTux> in windows: partition magic failed
[04:00] <ZeCrazyTux> on linux (ubuntu live): nothing to partioning ,
[04:00] <ZeCrazyTux> ?
[04:01] <ZeCrazyTux> morehower the hard drive is with a sata controller
[04:01] <ZeCrazyTux> => sda, no more hda....
[04:01] <ZeCrazyTux> can someone help me ?
[04:03] <ZeCrazyTux> ????
[04:04] <ZeCrazyTux> ok
[04:04] <ZeCrazyTux> ...
[04:38] <kkathman> good day all, anyone around?
[04:40] <da_didi> yes
[04:47] <blueeel> hi there... any way of getting GD-lib for PHP installed without recompiling php ?
[04:47] <kkathman> what does the GD-lib do?
[04:48] <blueeel> kkathman: some graphics functions...
[04:48] <kkathman> ahh, hmm I wonder if those are standard in the PHP5 thats installed with xampp
[04:48] <blueeel> xampp?
[04:50] <kkathman> yes xampp
[04:50] <kkathman> xampp is a one click install for PHP, Apache and MySQL
[04:51] <buz> evil
[04:51] <kkathman> evil?
[04:51] <buz> yeah
[04:51] <kkathman> why
[04:51] <buz> people who cant install that stuff themselves should better  not be running it at all
[04:52] <kkathman> ohhh now thats a bit of an extreme statement I think
[04:52] <_max> yeah
[04:52] <_max> buz, you were one of them before
[04:52] <_max> and don't deny it
[04:52] <buz> i was not. my first apache i compiled from source
[04:52] <_max> how did you do that?
[04:52] <_max> you must have learned it from somewhere
[04:52] <kkathman> I develop web sites for customers and it works terrific for me as a local server for testing, which is all I need it for
[04:52] <_max> or did an angel from the sky tell you how to compile
[04:52] <buz> that's the point: you should LEARN it
[04:53] <_max> yes
[04:53] <buz> just clicking on something doesn't learn you much
[04:53] <kkathman> if you are going to run an outside server I agree tho
[04:53] <buz> its not like apache is totally undocumented ;)
[04:53] <buz> well for local stuff it's probably ok
[04:53] <buz> as long as its properly firewalled at least
[04:54] <kkathman> there are some very good books on LAMP installs and maintenance
[04:54] <_max> sorry to misjudge you buz
[04:54] <NTolerance> what's wrong with simple program installers?
[04:54] <buz> n/p
[04:54] <kkathman> and O'Reilly makes a great book for Apache
[04:54] <buz> i just see too damn many lusers running stuff they'd better not be running
[04:54] <buz> the WAMP guys are the worst of them all
[04:54] <kkathman> buz I do agree with that
[04:54] <NTolerance> i guess i shouldn't be running Linux at all :D
[04:55] <buz> it's not wrong per se
[04:55] <buz> for most apps it's just fine
[04:55] <buz> but for security sensitive stuff like servers, users should know what they're doing
[04:55] <NTolerance> i see your point
[04:55] <buz> personally, i don't compile firefox from sources, either ;)
[04:55] <NTolerance> that was gonna be my next question
[04:55] <kkathman> I worry a little at comments like that because one of the goals of the entire Linux/F00S movement is to demystify it so that people wont be afraid to try it
[04:56] <NTolerance> but even so, an easy installer can still help experienced users going faster, then they can configure stuff later
[04:56] <buz> the same sticks for windows just as much
[04:56] <buz> sure, you can set up exchange with 10 clicks
[04:56] <buz> and 10min later it will be owned
[04:56] <NTolerance> get set up faster, rather
[04:56] <kkathman> if we perpetuate the "difficult-ness" of Linux etc, it will just drive them further to M$ :(
[04:56] <NTolerance> you are right kkathman
[04:56] <NTolerance> Linux desktops have come a long way....it's been a good thing, but they're not there yet
[04:57] <blueeel> how do i restart apache without rebooting ?
[04:57] <buz> linux ain't difficult for most stuff. or say windows ain't easy for servers, either
[04:57] <buz> apachectl restart
[04:57] <kkathman> NTolerance: correct, and it has been dominated by the "elitists" for a long time which tends to scare your average user away
[04:57] <NTolerance> windows servers are a PITA IMHO
[04:57] <buz> exactly
[04:57] <NTolerance> we have an NT4 box here and i really hate it
[04:57] <buz> personally, i refuse to touch any windows servers
[04:57] <buz> that stuff breaks for no reason at all
[04:57] <NTolerance> i dislike it when the elitists don't support robust desktop linuxes
[04:58] <buz> i'm all for robust desktop linuxes
[04:58] <buz> but not for dummy servers
[04:58] <buz> properly firewalled desktop linux is probably a lot better than XPee
[04:58] <NTolerance> speaking of firewalls
[04:59] <NTolerance> i'm running Kubuntu here on a laptop which is usually on it's own private network, but say if i go to an airport or cafe and hook up to an unprotected WAP, do i really need a firewall with Kubuntu?
[04:59] <akrano> im in love with the alloy kde style
[04:59] <NTolerance> i'm in love with baghira
[04:59] <buz> i guess it wouldn't hurt
[04:59] <NTolerance> wouldn't hurt, but is it worth it?
[04:59] <NTolerance> if not, i don't bother
[04:59] <buz> it mostly depends on what services are running on your machine
[04:59] <NTolerance> the only server type service i have is ssh
[04:59] <NTolerance> i think
[04:59] <buz> if everything is running on 127.0.0.1 that's ok
[04:59] <NTolerance> actually
[05:00] <buz> you sure? kubuntu got quite a few running by default
[05:00] <NTolerance> i do have a samba share, passworded with write access
[05:00] <NTolerance> to only my home dir
[05:00] <NTolerance> don't haxor me :(
[05:00] <buz> at that point i'd probably do firewall it on unknown networks
[05:00] <buz> or just shutdown samba
[05:00] <akrano> NTolerance, that wasn't very intelligent to say
[05:00] <carambol> hi how i get opera as a item in K-menu
[05:01] <carambol> ?
[05:01] <NTolerance> no big deal
[05:01] <buz> right click on the kmenu and select menu editor
[05:01] <carambol> but I dont know the path
[05:01] <buz> mhh then how do you start it?
[05:02] <carambol> Alt+F2
[05:02] <akrano> someone should make an IRC client that supports windows tiling
[05:02] <buz> wtf does alt f2 do
[05:02] <akrano> get you the Run window
[05:02] <carambol> it opens Opera
[05:02] <NTolerance> is there an easy to stop/restart samba without rebooting?
[05:03] <buz> if Opera works, that probably works for kmenu command as well
[05:03] <da_didi>  /etc/init.d/samba restart
[05:03] <NTolerance>  /etc/init.d/samba stop will stop it as well?
[05:03] <da_didi> normaly :)
[05:03] <carambol> buz, it did appeared in K-menu
[05:03] <carambol> not
[05:04] <_denis> mans
[05:04] <da_didi> i still don't hear anything, i checked alsamixer and even aplay doesn't play something. aplay -l shows my card and it is not muted or something like this
[05:04] <_denis> can you help me for my Kubuntu?
[05:04] <da_didi> any idea?
[05:04] <_denis> i?
[05:04] <kkathman> carambol right click on the K-menu and choose Menu Editor
[05:04] <akrano> anyone here uses a PIM in linux?
[05:04] <carambol> when i use the menu-editor i get the icon in the menu
[05:05] <carambol> but it doesnt work
[05:05] <dennisc> Too many people named Dennis hey ;-)
[05:05] <carambol> becuase i dont know the path
[05:05] <mennis> :)
[05:06] <buz> mhh
[05:06] <kkathman> carambol  do a   whereis opera   at the shell and it will tell you
[05:06] <kkathman> its most likely in /usr/bin
[05:07] <carambol> ok kkathman
[05:07] <kkathman> at least thats where mine was
[05:08] <kkathman> wow talk about stable...my Linux boxes now have been running 18d straight, no boot whatsoever :)
[05:09] <NTolerance> i had my windows xp machine up for like 48 days before
[05:09] <Tm_T> kkathman: o/
[05:10] <smouche> hey kkathman, Tm_T -- how are you gentlemen?
[05:11] <Tm_T> smouche: hi! I'm fine thank you, how are you?
[05:11] <smouche> pretty good, considering I'm at work!
[05:11] <Tm_T> =)
[05:11] <smouche> surrounded by folks on windows
[05:11] <carambol> thnx kkathman and buz
[05:11] <carambol> succeeded
[05:12] <dennisc> Well my relativly fresh kubuntu has borked, I can't start akregator and after logout-login kicker (bar at bottom) failed to load items and its empty
[05:12] <smouche> I plugged in my kubuntu lappy and I'm happy
[05:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: 18 days? that's nothing yet =)
[05:12] <dennisc> lucky for the right mouse menu
[05:12] <dennis_da_menace> I need a lappy
[05:13] <dennisc> So i think i have some file corruption can I clean the current account to fresh or create a new account?
[05:13] <NTolerance> lappys are great
[05:13] <NTolerance> i know wireless is an old thing, but it still amazes me
[05:14] <Tm_T> dennisc: just move your .kde directory :)
[05:14] <arkano> How can I add the Trash icon on to my desktop?
[05:15] <smouche> kkathman, any luck with java, opera, etc?
[05:17] <NTolerance> what's the best firewall for kubuntu, firestarter or guarddog?
[05:23] <dennisc> Can I checksum the installed kubuntu or is windows style erase and install quiker then looking for the answer?
[05:23] <NTolerance> what's wrong with your install?
[05:23] <dennisc> don't know but the only user seems borked
[05:24] <NTolerance> can you be more detailed? is it just a KDE thing?
[05:25] <osh> how can i get sound working in kubuntu64?
[05:25] <smouche> I'd love never to have to reboot, but I haven't been able to get this thing to suspend to disk.
[05:25] <da_didi> osh: i just needed two hours till now.. and now the mic..
[05:25] <NTolerance> i've given up on klaptop altogether
[05:25] <NTolerance> :(
[05:26] <osh> da_didi: No more than two? You're quick. ;-)
[05:26] <NTolerance> i really want to run KDE 3.4 though, and the only current distros that have it that i know of are Kubuntu, Suse, and PC-BSD
[05:26] <NTolerance> i'm sure there are others
[05:26] <NTolerance> i want to try PC-BSD
[05:26] <da_didi> osh: nobody told me the meaning of "capture" :)
[05:26] <dennisc> Does creating a new user work (I read it had an error in this first kubuntu release)? If i can create a new user and it works as expected...
[05:27] <blueeel> how do i find out what the default install directory for postgresql is?
[05:29] <osh> blueeel: isn't there a postgres.conf in /etc?
[05:29] <blueeel> osh: yup!
[05:30] <dennisc> NTolerance: If Kubuntu does not work with your hardware you could try kanotix.com based on the hwdetection of knoppix
[05:30] <NTolerance> thx for the tip, i'll look it up
[05:30] <buz> WTF is pc bsd?
[05:30] <NTolerance> desktop bsd
[05:30] <NTolerance> www.pcbsd.org
[05:30] <buz> based on what? freebsd5?
[05:31] <buz> freebsd5 is buggy PoS
[05:31] <NTolerance> based on 5.3
[05:31] <buz> iew
[05:31] <NTolerance> so is Kubuntu
[05:31] <osh> blueeel: And doesn't that contain the default location for the postgres.db?
[05:31] <buz> 4.X was a rock solid os
[05:31] <buz> but 5 is unstable
[05:31] <blueeel> osh: dunno... looking though it right now...
[05:32] <arkano> guys, I asked in KDE but they don't know... how can I add the trash icon to to my desktop?
[05:32] <Tm_T> ehh
[05:32] <NTolerance> dennisc: how is kanotix different from knoppix....distrowatch still says it's a livecd
[05:32] <Tm_T> arkano: we know in #kde ;p
[05:33] <arkano> :)
[05:34] <dennisc> kanotix fixes knoppix to become hard disk install friendly and fully debian compatible
[05:34] <Tm_T> make icon and write it's destination to be "trash:/" or something
[05:34] <dennisc> deian sid
[05:34] <arkano> Tm_T, I tried that, but when the trash is full, the icon doesnt change
[05:34] <Tm_T> arkano: ok, dunno then
[05:35] <da_didi> how to get the mic working?
[05:36] <osh> Sweet. Now I've got sound too... =)
[05:36] <Tm_T> hmm, I just plugged the jack
[05:36] <Tm_T> plug in the jack
[05:38] <da_didi> doesnt work
[05:38] <da_didi> in the alsa mixer it looks like okay
[05:38] <da_didi> but in skype with echo123 i don't hear my voice
[05:39] <osh> Unfortunatly kaffeine crashes with "bad file descriptor" when trying to play an mpeg. :-/
[05:39] <da_didi> xe||: but others use the mic? should i try something like audacity for recording?
[05:40] <xe||> actually i never tried if the mic would work in other applications...
[05:40] <xe||> is there some audio recorder proggy?
[05:40] <da_didi> audacity
[05:46] <NTolerance> dennisc: thx for the info
[05:46] <NTolerance> i will try it out
[05:47] <dennisc> ok
[05:49] <Tm_T> audacity is allright
[05:49] <prego> xe||, you might aswell install skype and call to echo123 (test service for skype)
[05:50] <osh> Is there a way to add "universe" from kynaptic or do I have to edit the files manually?
[05:50] <prego> xe||, see skype installation instructions at ubuntuguide.org
[05:51] <Tm_T> osh: well, editting sources.list is very easy
[05:51] <Tm_T> so it's not a problem
[05:53] <osh> Tm_T: No, not for me. But I'm holding unix class for morons... sorry, beginners and management next week and would like to give them a little something to practice on. I'm thinking ubuntu/kubuntu/knoppix so that they won't break anything on their windows-machines. So far ubuntu is a bit better but I'm a KDE-fan myself... :-/
[05:54] <Tm_T> eh, why ubuntu is better?
[05:54] <Tm_T> than kubuntu
[05:54] <Tm_T> yes, you can use _same_ apps
[05:55] <Tm_T> yes, you _get_ _same_ apps
[05:55] <Tm_T> so where's the problem?
[05:55] <osh> Tm_T: It's a bit more polished atm. I'm sure that will change though. 
[05:56] <Tm_T> osh: hmm, maybe you're right
[05:56] <osh> Tm_T: synaptic is slightly better than kynaptic, and yes, I could get synaptic but for those who'll see linux for the first time I want it to be as polished as possible. Everything (sort of) should be there from the start.
[05:56] <Tm_T> heh
[05:57] <Tm_T> osh: my first Linux install was Debian Woody =)
[05:57] <Tm_T> my first *nix install was netBSD
[05:58] <prego> osh, I'm gnome fan, but I use KDE apps when I really need them. For instance I cannot live without lyx (Qt of course, Xforms is a pain)---
[05:58] <osh> Tm_T: Dunno what my first linux was. What was it that was popular before redhat? I know I switched to redhat somewhere around version5. First unix was probably SVR4 or Irix.
[05:59] <Tm_T> =)
[05:59] <kkathman> hi there Tm_T :)
[05:59] <Tm_T> osh: there's no point to start from the easiest one I think =)
[05:59] <prego> osh, I began with slackware, then redhat 4.1, ... I feel so old....
[06:00] <Tm_T> heh
[06:00] <osh> prego: Arcane is more like it... ;-)
[06:01] <prego> osh, I also use konqueror: I really need that filesize view
[06:01] <prego> osh, :-P
[06:01] <osh> prego: Hmm, RH4 sounds familiar. Perhaps I remember 5 because it was much better? Did they do something to the installer in that version? 
[06:03] <prego> osh, RH4.1 was a big step forward at that time. Trust me. INMHO 5.0 was a pain, 5.1 was decent and 5.2 was there installed in my computer for long (until 6.2 which was again the good one of the 6.x series, which I changed with 7.1 - 7.0 was not for me neither)
[06:04] <kkathman> hey Tm_T do you know if its possible to change the colors in Konsole...like for displaying the files when you do an ls -l etc
[06:04] <prego> osh, then, after using 7.2 for quite long time, I swithced to 9, which I really liked until I tested SuSE9.2, and I loved it... until I saw ubuntu being soooo speedy... a long arcane history indeed ;-P
[06:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh, check your .bashrc
[06:06] <kkathman> ok thanks Tm_T :)
[06:07] <kkathman> cd 
[06:07] <kkathman> oops
[06:08] <prego> kkathman, be careful or you'll write your password around here ;-)
[06:09] <kkathman> lol
[06:09] <Tm_T> prego: but you can't see because it appears as *****
[06:10] <NTolerance> bash.org?
[06:10] <prego> lol
[06:10] <NTolerance> hehe
[06:10] <dennisc> Yes, I think i have seen a colourfull konsole somewhere
[06:10] <prego> sudo apt-get install expresso
[06:10] <prego> oops
[06:12] <NTolerance> ssh prego@prego.com
[06:12] <NTolerance> oops
[06:12] <NTolerance> :P
[06:12] <prego> ;-P I whis I had my own domain, btw
[06:12] <prego> whish
[06:12] <NTolerance> me too, but i'm cheap
[06:15] <osh> prego: Long indeed. (Sorry was away for a bit).
[06:16] <Tm_T> NTolerance: hmm, so I get you whole night for just couple dollars yay?
[06:17] <Tm_T> hmm, I wanted kekkonen.net but some asshole domainseller got it
[06:18] <kkathman> good morning Diablo-D3  :)
[06:19] <osh> What does "held packages" mean?
[06:20] <dennisc> Well, there we go kUser failed on me, another step closer to full reinstall:-)
[06:20] <Diablo-D3> hey kkathman 
[06:24] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: Howzit goin today sir?
[06:25] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: Do you recommend that I run a spyware/antivirus on my Linux boxes or not worry about it if I have a firewall?
[06:26] <NTolerance> yes Tm_T, i'm cheap
[06:36] <NTolerance> is it true that XFree86 doesn't support transparent windows in X?
[06:41] <osh> NTolerance: Yep. It's in x.org but not very good support for it.
[06:43] <dell500> howdy, i'm havin some problems with my resolution, i cacn't change it in KDE and I was wondering what I might need to do to get it to work
[06:46] <NTolerance> hrm
[06:46] <osh> Ehrm? No support for mp3 in kubuntu? It plays oggs just fine but refuse to play any of my mp3s. Weird...
[06:46] <NTolerance> what about the transparent menus in KDE, does that require xorg?
[06:47] <osh> NTolerance: That's cheating. It's not really transparent, just a snapshot from the screen below the menu. Have something move under it and You'll see.
[06:48] <NTolerance> ah, so i could presumably run KDE 3.4 with XFree and get those menus?
[06:48] <osh> Is there something I should add to kubuntu (some apt-source) to get it to work out of the box? Like PLF for Mandrake. You know, support for mp3, divx and all those things that you have to have.
[06:48] <osh> NTolerance: Yes. No problems there.
[06:49] <NTolerance> cool thx
[06:49] <NTolerance> osh, did you run the ubuntu setup scripts?
[06:49] <NTolerance> hai-0.8 and ubuntusetup.sh ?
[06:49] <osh> NTolerance: No, not that I know of. Will find those and have a look at them... =)
[06:49] <NTolerance> yeah, they're in the Hoary customization forums
[06:50] <NTolerance> i think one of them or both add mp3 support
[06:50] <NTolerance> i ran both after installing kubuntu and i can play mp3s
[06:50] <osh> NTolerance: They're not on disk?
[06:51] <NTolerance> no , you gotta download them
[06:52] <osh> NTolerance: from ubuntulinux.org?
[06:52] <dell500> can someone help me with my resolution problem??
[06:52] <NTolerance> from www.ubuntuforums.org, do a search for the scritps
[06:53] <osh> dell500: Have a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You can change setup from there. It's a bit tricky though. Don't know of any gui-tools for it.
[06:55] <dell500> osh
[06:55] <dell500> oops :)
[06:56] <dell500> osh, i've done that and i think i might have messed up the config file for xorg cause i stole a portion from the XFree file
[06:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: ping
[06:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: hmm?
[06:57] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: um dude
[06:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, some of my "misfuctioning KDE" problems disappeared
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: there is no such thing as linux spyware or viruses
[06:58] <dell500> osh: my original xorg.conf files had a bunch of SubSection "Display" sections, I narrowed it down to a depth of 24 and my prefered displays, can't change it in KDE (i'm on an ATI based board as well)
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: you should run a firewall (tada, its built into linux), but thats aboutit
[06:58] <kkathman> ok thanks Diablo thats excellent
[06:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: after I reinstalled that new kdelibs-data
[06:58] <osh> Oops, wife calls. Time to go.
[06:58] <kkathman> great Diablo-D3  do you have a reference for configuring the firewall in Linux that I might check out?
[06:58] <Tm_T> AND logout from KDE
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: apt-get install shorewall
[06:58] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: and then learn how to use that
[06:59] <Diablo-D3> afk
[06:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: Firestarter
[06:59] <Tm_T> easytouse
[06:59] <Tm_T> maybe too easy =)
[07:00] <nanomad> just a simple question...how do I change my print driver under kubuntu?
[07:01] <Tm_T> nanomad: in KDE ?
[07:01] <nanomad> sure
[07:01] <Tm_T> nanomad: try Kcontrol
[07:01] <nanomad> broken...cant be administrator...
[07:02] <nanomad> so?
[07:02] <nanomad> and why i cant login on localhost:631
[07:05] <kkathman> Tm_T and Diablo-D3  Now, if I have a NAT router at home, I really dont need a software firewall right?
[07:05] <jjesse> i opened up firefox today and i can't open any menus, can't open the history drop down or anything 
[07:05] <kkathman> cuz it pretty much does the same thing
[07:05] <jjesse> after a minute or so firefox closes on me
[07:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: not really, but you have it in kernel already
[07:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: firestarter is only configuring etc GUI
[07:11] <kkathman> thanks Tm_T :)
[07:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: np
[07:13] <NTolerance> is there any easy way to tell what server services i have running?
[07:13] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:13] <NTolerance> top and kde sys guard give too much info
[07:13] <dell500> how do i change my resolution in KDE??
[07:14] <NTolerance> dell500: i'm sure you tried control center -> peripherals -> display?
[07:14] <Tm_T> dell500: righclick in desktop... configure desktop ->
[07:14] <NTolerance> that oo
[07:14] <NTolerance> too
[07:14] <Tm_T> :)
[07:16] <dell500> done all that
[07:16] <Tm_T> eh
[07:16] <Tm_T> and?
[07:16] <dell500> I get the "Your X server doesn't support resizing or rotating... X server 4.3 .... blah blah ... RANR 1.1"
[07:16] <dell500> i've got 4.3 and i'm not sure about randr
[07:16] <Tm_T> wtf
[07:16] <dell500> i used synaptic to find RANDR but i didn't find it
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i lock my sms inbox ? i dont want anyone reading me personal sms msgs...
[07:17] <Tm_T> sms inbox?
[07:17] <Tm_T> where? what?
[07:17] <dell500> lol, both here and ubuntu said the same thing "your what?"
[07:18] <Tm_T> dell500: hmm, you have really interesting problem there btw :)
[07:19] <dell500> Tm_T,  thanks
[07:20] <dell500> i've been searchin for a little bit cause i tried getting Countr-Strike Source to work, and it crashed and my resolution went to 640x480 and i had to "push" my mouse to goto the edges of the desktop
[07:20] <dell500> while searching for an answer for this lol
[07:20] <dell500> sucked
[07:21] <dennisc> Can one really simply remove the .kde dir as found in home dir to reset the user account to default?
[07:21] <Tm_T> dell500: hmm, tried to restart your X already?
[07:22] <Tm_T> dell500: I think yes, rename it so you have backup
[07:22] <Tm_T> dennisc: 
[07:22] <dell500> Tm_T, i jsut did that
[07:22] <Tm_T> ok
[07:22] <dell500> i changd my config file back to the backup
[07:22] <Tm_T> :)
[07:23] <dell500> i think xrandr isn't enabled or something
[07:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:23] <dell500> cause i just ran "xrandr" in console, and it gave me this:
[07:23] <dell500> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:23] <Tm_T> :o
[07:23] <dell500> any idea?
[07:24] <Tm_T> hmm, xorg.conf...
[07:24] <dell500> do you need to enable it in xorg.conf?
[07:25] <dennisc> dell500 does your conf file look ok?
[07:25] <dennisc> does it name the wanted and supported resoloutions?
[07:25] <dell500> dennisc, yup
[07:25] <dell500> i have the HorizSync and VerRefresh for this monitor as well
[07:26] <dell500> should this option be enabled, btw? Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[07:26] <dell500> for games and such
[07:26] <dennisc> type man: in conqueror
[07:27] <dell500> what am i looking for
[07:27] <dell500> ?
[07:28] <dennisc> man:xorg.conf
[07:29] <dennisc> type that in the browser 
[07:29] <dell500> k
[07:29] <dell500> what am i lookin' for?
[07:29] <dennisc> don't know your as far as me now just wanted to show you where the info was
[07:30] <dell500> oh lol
[07:32] <dell500> ok, i'm in synaptic right now and i did a search for randr, and i found the gnome applet for it and some other stuff
[07:33] <dell500> the libs are isntalled for it....
[07:35] <slow-motion> hello
[07:35] <dennisc> hi
[07:36] <slow-motion> is there an apt-get source for the java runtime environment? i dont know what of the java stuff i shall take in kynaptic
[07:37] <dell500> slow-motion, the ubuntuguide.org has a JRE howto for java
[07:38] <kkathman> slow-motion you want to go here to get the JRE and do a dpkg -i :  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/
[07:38] <Tm_T> heh
[07:39] <kkathman> its like sun-j2rel1.5_1_5.0_update02 something
[07:39] <kkathman> but its a deb file
[07:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:39] <kkathman> at least thats what I got and it works fine...
[07:40] <kkathman> firestarter wont run tho
[07:40] <kkathman> hmm
[07:40] <Tm_T> just download JRE package from sun.com, run it, and copy all files to /usr/java/
[07:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[07:40] <kkathman> yeah installed it...clicked....just attempts to start and then goes away
[07:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: try in konsole "sudo firestarter"
[07:41] <Tm_T> yes, you must run it as a root
[07:41] <kkathman> hmmm
[07:41] <slow-motion> thank you
[07:41] <kkathman> I did a chmod on it tho
[07:41] <Tm_T> eh
[07:41] <kkathman> weird...works from command line but not an icon...hmm
[07:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: because that icon is misconfigured by default
[07:42] <kkathman> no I configured it myself
[07:42] <Tm_T> eh
[07:42] <Tm_T> ok, let's see
[07:42] <kkathman> did a sudo firestarter
[07:43] <Tm_T> try "gksu -g /usr/sbin/firestarter"
[07:43] <Tm_T> it ask password when you run it, secure
[07:43] <kkathman> well Im not gonna worry about this, cuz I have a NAT already :)
[07:43] <dell500> does fglrx run off the Xfree config and xorg just runs off xorg
[07:43] <Tm_T> :)
[07:43] <kkathman> no use putting a NAT on top of a NAT
[07:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh
[07:47] <NTolerance> NAT is a good thing
[07:50] <markc> what are the kubuntu kernel-image debs called ?
[07:51] <markc> apt-cache sreach kernel doesn't seem to show any images I can install.
[07:52] <gunny> hey all, does anyone know where amaroK's song database is kept and if I can purge it? I have lots of dupes/ghosts that I need to be rid of
[07:53] <kkathman> NTolerance: yah it is, but I dont need to double up on it :)
[07:53] <markc> dpkg -L amarok
[07:57] <dell500> if i restarted X, would it reload the config files for the fglrx and xorg??
[07:58] <ztonzy> Riddell, here +
[07:58] <ztonzy> ?
[07:59] <slow-motion> bye and thank you for the help with java
[07:59] <sarom> guys, I heard there is a kde security patch for ubuntu
[07:59] <sarom> did it come out yet?
[08:00] <NTolerance> dell500: yes, as long as you didn't overwrite them 
[08:00] <NTolerance> or save them
[08:00] <ztonzy> is it only me that have constant Konqueror crashes ??
[08:00] <NTolerance> no
[08:00] <dell500> well i make a backup
[08:00] <dell500> made
[08:00] <ztonzy> and also double of files when view directorys as tree ?
[08:00] <NTolerance> lots of people have that problem, lost of people have the kde-libs bug, and other things
[08:00] <sarom> http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2005/0459
[08:00] <sarom> where is this patch?
[08:01] <sarom> ubuntu update manager doesnt have it
[08:01] <NTolerance> ok dell500 , just copy your backup files to the normal filenames and reboot
[08:01] <dell500> brb
[08:02] <error403> nooooooooo
[08:02] <error403> not the GNOME
[08:02] <Tm_T> wooops
[08:02] <error403> the only reason i use Kubuntu was it was stable, worked, and had KDE
[08:02] <error403> lol
[08:02] <Tm_T> hmm, my FF works fine with java, strange
[08:03] <ztonzy> error403, well....it crashes constantly
[08:03] <ztonzy> Konqueror
[08:03] <Tm_T> error403: was? worked? had? you mean is, work, has
[08:05] <error403> heh
[08:05] <error403> true
[08:06] <error403> i just installed on a 60GB drive on my laptop
[08:06] <error403> and im running VMWare for all my M$-based needs
[08:06] <dell500> man
[08:06] <dell500> this sucks
[08:06] <Tm_T> haha
[08:06] <ztonzy> dell500, what ?
[08:07] <dell500> ztonzy, resizing my desktop res to what i want it to be
[08:07] <dell500> ATI sucks
[08:08] <error403> i wouldnt know, ive only ever used nVidia and other, crappy, things
[08:08] <error403> like VIA UniChrome   >_<
[08:09] <NTolerance> is VMWare easy to install in Linux?
[08:09] <dell500> screw it, i'm gonna go study for my chem final
[08:09] <dell500> peace
[08:10] <NTolerance> dell500: 
[08:10] <ztonzy> dell500, never owned a ATI :)
[08:10] <NTolerance> may want to boot a knoppix or mepis cd and see if your res is better
[08:10] <NTolerance> if so, compare the xorg.conf files to see what made the difference
[08:10] <ztonzy> only me who got crashes with KDE 3.4 (konqueror mostly) ??
[08:10] <NTolerance> no
[08:10] <ztonzy> and is SimplyMepis more stable ;) ???
[08:10] <NTolerance> lots of peop have that problem
[08:10] <dell500> NTolerance, i'm pretty sure its the ATI/fglrx drivers i installed
[08:11] <NTolerance> SimplyMepis is more stable, but it has KDE 3.3
[08:11] <NTolerance> ah
[08:11] <ztonzy> NTolerance, yah,....thinking of scraping KDE
[08:11] <dell500> cause ATI doesn't like RANDR or something
[08:11] <NTolerance> hold your horses ztonzy 
[08:11] <ztonzy> NTolerance, ;)
[08:11] <ztonzy> why ?
[08:11] <NTolerance> there are a few other distros with KDE 3.4, and some of them don't have the crashing
[08:11] <NTolerance> Suse is one of them supposedly
[08:11] <NTolerance> KANOTIX is another, I'm gonna try it soon
[08:12] <error403> NTolerance, yes, VMWare is easy to install
[08:12] <error403> You just need to make sure you have the source of the kernel you are running
[08:12] <error403> coz it installs a kernel module
[08:13] <ztonzy> NTolerance, ok...I got SimplyMepis recommended to me....and I also got another online friend using Debian, havent heard him mention crashers either
[08:13] <dell500> NTolerance, you think a full reboot would be needed to get things working for 3d accel and my resolution??
[08:13] <error403> i dont like debian...
[08:13] <error403> Debian is a pain to install for me
[08:13] <NTolerance> my Mepis install was very stable
[08:13] <NTolerance> well dell500 , i don't use the fglrx drivers, so i'm not sure
[08:13] <error403> both my laptop and desktop get "no screens found" on startx
[08:14] <dell500> me either
[08:15] <NTolerance> what vidcard do you have?
[08:15] <ztonzy> NTolerance, nice
[08:15] <error403> the only pproblem i found with mepis was the JRE was screwed
[08:15] <error403> Zend 4.0.1 wont run on it
[08:15] <NTolerance> dell500: what card do you have?
[08:15] <NTolerance> damnit
[08:16] <NTolerance> Mepis doesn't look as good because it's running KDE 3.3
[08:16] <NTolerance> so meh
[08:16] <NTolerance> it also doesn't have powernowd
[08:16] <kkathman> anyone know where the default colors for files are stored?  Im looking to change those colors that show up when you do an ls -l ??  Its not in the bashrc.
[08:16] <error403> agreed
[08:17] <error403> but you can compule a new kernel for Mepis
[08:17] <error403> which i cant seem to do properly under Kubuntu
[08:17] <NTolerance> kkathman: try man ls and see if it's in there
[08:17] <NTolerance> worth a try
[08:18] <error403> can anybody tell me what packages i need to install to have a properly functioning compiler, including for KDE and X apps
[08:18] <error403> ?
[08:19] <NTolerance> start with sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[08:19] <error403> ooo....
[08:19] <error403> will do
[08:19] <kkathman> NTolerance: man on what? bashrc??
[08:19] <NTolerance> ls
[08:19] <error403> NTolerance, didnt work
[08:19] <kkathman> ahh
[08:19] <kkathman> hmm
[08:19] <error403> could not find package
[08:19] <NTolerance> the settings will probably ultimately get saved in bashrc, but i'm pretty sure that it's an ls thing
[08:20] <NTolerance> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:20] <kkathman> ok I'll check that
[08:20] <error403> NTolerance, i already ran it under sudo
[08:20] <NTolerance> i could be wrong, but i had to this this in cygwin
[08:20] <NTolerance> take the "s" off the end
[08:20] <NTolerance> error403: 
[08:20] <error403> oh
[08:20] <error403> ok
[08:21] <NTolerance> sorry about that
[08:21] <error403> that looks useful
[08:21] <error403> next?
[08:21] <error403> lol
[08:21] <error403> synaptic, in development section?
[08:21] <NTolerance> dunno what's next, but build-essential is the best starting ponit
[08:21] <NTolerance> :D
[08:24] <dennisc> Well, renaming .kde cleaned up the desktop a bit but not completely.
[08:24] <error403> i need to make sure i do this properly...
[08:24] <error403> tried to do too much at once last time
[08:24] <error403> and VMWare went buggy on me...
[08:25] <error403> What you use for transferring between windows and linux?
[08:25] <error403> i use WinSCP
[08:25] <dell500> yes!
[08:26] <error403> ?
[08:26] <NTolerance> kkathman: i had to add alias ls='ls --color=always' to my .bashrc file in cygwin to get colors when running ls
[08:26] <dell500> restored old config files and it's fine, that was wierd
[08:26] <dell500> i didn't do anything to the config files cept chang ethe display, guess i did more than i expected
[08:26] <dennisc> screen res back to normal?
[08:28] <dell500> yup
[08:28] <dell500> but my comp isla ggin hardcore
[08:28] <dell500> for some reason
[08:28] <error403> i really annoyed someone the yesterday....
[08:28] <error403> did /exec -o dpkg -l
[08:29] <NTolerance> error403: i use samba
[08:29] <error403> how you get samba to work?
[08:29] <error403> i keep getting odd errors
[08:29] <error403> using smb4k, yes?
[08:29] <NTolerance> hold on
[08:30] <dell500> i wonder what could be causing the lag when i type
[08:30] <NTolerance> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26438&highlight=samba
[08:30] <error403> thanks!
[08:30] <NTolerance> not using smb4k, just samba and konqueror
[08:30] <NTolerance> np
[08:30] <error403> ok
[08:31] <StR> Hi all!
[08:31] <NTolerance> omghi2u
[08:32] <StR> have you seen how kde eats your RAM?
[08:32] <dell500> blah does it lag?? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:32] <dell500> nope i guess not
[08:32] <dell500> :)
[08:32] <dell500> wierd how a refresh rate on a monitor can do so much :)
[08:32] <error403> lol
[08:32] <NTolerance> KDE eats RAM, but at least it gives it back unlike Windows
[08:32] <error403> KDE doesnt eat my RAM
[08:32] <NTolerance> Linux does that rather
[08:32] <NTolerance> but you see my point
[08:33] <error403> NTolerance, im with you on that one!
[08:33] <NTolerance> :D
[08:33] <error403> i've suddenly become a huge fan of nano as a text editor
[08:33] <StR> NTolerance: I have almos all of my 512M used, and when I exit some programs, I don't get my ram back
[08:34] <dell500> hmmmm now 3d accel doesn't work, bb
[08:34] <dennisc> kde does not eat ram it uses it as effiently as possible for speed 
[08:34] <NTolerance> something is wrong StR 
[08:34] <NTolerance> i dunno what though
[08:34] <NTolerance> check top or kde sys guard to see what program is using it all
[08:35] <StR> NTolerance: well.. I have at the top: Xorg, amarokapp, kopete, kpdf konqueror, kicker, kded, kdesktop
[08:35] <NTolerance> check the %MEM column
[08:35] <NTolerance> also, try rebooting and then starting programs one at a time while you monitor to see which one it may be
[08:36] <StR> NTolerance:  Xorg 9.0, amarok 7.2....
[08:36] <NTolerance> hmm
[08:36] <StR> NTolerance: I done that, and I think it is the kopete
[08:36] <dennisc> don't forget that using unused ram for cache until someone actually needs it is cool as it speeds reusable data access
[08:37] <NTolerance> try using GAIM instead of Kopete
[08:37] <NTolerance> i hear Kopete has issues
[08:38] <dell500> cat /proc/pci doesn't work....
[08:38] <dell500> any ideas?
[08:40] <ztonzy> how to completly remove KDE (kubuntu) ? *grins*
[08:40] <NTolerance> dell500: lspci
[08:40] <dell500> ah ha!
[08:41] <NTolerance> ztonzy: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop may do the trick, but i've never tried it...
[08:41] <error403> :O
[08:41] <error403> Kubuntu minus KDE = pointless...
[08:41] <error403> lol
[08:41] <NTolerance> not really
[08:42] <NTolerance> you can always install another WM
[08:42] <error403> lol
[08:42] <dell500> i guess the fglrx driver doesn't support XRANDR
[08:42] <NTolerance> then remove KDE
[08:42] <dell500> that sucks
[08:42] <ztonzy> NTolerance, some other guy said if I have bad luck it wont uninstall it all
[08:42] <NTolerance> it's possible
[08:42] <ztonzy> all of it  I Mean
[08:42] <NTolerance> i had problems last night installing gnome-desktop
[08:42] <NTolerance> lots of dependencies
[08:42] <NTolerance> what is XRANDR for?
[08:43] <NTolerance> ztonzy: just leave KDE installed unless you're really desperate for HDD space
[08:43] <NTolerance> gnome only takes up about 300MB
[08:43] <ztonzy> NTolerance, it is not that
[08:43] <ztonzy> NTolerance, but well...more of a cleaner system
[08:44] <NTolerance> well i'm still a n00b
[08:44] <ztonzy> NTolerance, heh
[08:44] <NTolerance> so if i wanted to get it really clean i'd back up my home dir and then reformat with the regular ubuntu disc
[08:44] <NTolerance> then you will certainly not have KDE
[08:44] <NTolerance> :D
[08:45] <ztonzy> NTolerance, ;) I know
[08:45] <dell500> does anyone know what this command does? echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[08:45] <ztonzy> NTolerance, it would be a quite quick done...got 10/1 mbit adsl here
[08:45] <NTolerance> sweden?
[08:45] <gunny> does anyone even read the Kubuntu section on the forums? I can't believe no one has tried to answer my question about Konqueror and wallpapers :D
[08:46] <ztonzy> NTolerance, yes...could get 24/1
[08:46] <ztonzy> :)
[08:46] <NTolerance> lucky bastard
[08:46] <NTolerance> we should drop social security over and and get government DSL
[08:46] <error403> you got WLAN?
[08:46] <error403> ztonzy, you got WLAN?
[08:46] <ztonzy> might switch ISP and get it in process...I also could get it now, but I have to pay same amount as to get a new ISP :)
[08:46] <ztonzy> error403, no
[08:46] <error403> damn...
[08:46] <error403> lol
[08:47] <NTolerance> gunny: the Kubuntu section is slow, it's disappointing
[08:47] <ztonzy> NTolerance, hehe...USA ?
[08:47] <NTolerance> yeah
[08:47] <gunny> many places in Europe have much better Internet tahn we have in the US it's sad
[08:47] <error403> we dont in the UK
[08:47] <NTolerance> true, easier to wire up smaller countries
[08:47] <gunny> considering the US wired most of them post WWII
[08:47] <error403> we are only just now starting to get easily available 8Mbit
[08:47] <dell500> bbl, gonna get some incense
[08:47] <NTolerance> broadband over here relies on old cable and telephone cabling
[08:47] <ztonzy> at some time ago, it was even possible for few one to get VDSL like:  26/26 , 13/13  or 12/9, 10/9   but not now....
[08:47] <error403> NTolerance, same here
[08:48] <ztonzy> I have even seen some ISP with 28/1
[08:48] <NTolerance> Verizon is rolling about 5/1 fiber here, but only in certain cities
[08:48] <NTolerance> i'm in a state capital and i can't get it :(
[08:48] <gunny> best ADSL I could get 2 years ago was 1.5 mbit on my cable I have 3 mbit 
[08:48] <NTolerance> smoking up dell500 ?
[08:48] <error403> im only on 512K
[08:48] <NTolerance> :D
[08:48] <dell500> :)
[08:48] <dell500> i might :0
[08:48] <dell500> bbl
[08:49] <ztonzy> when doing apt-gets with loads of files I see many times this in terminal window --> 1024 kB/s 
[08:49] <NTolerance> i get up to 6MB download on my cable, but the upload is only 384k, terrible
[08:49] <NTolerance> damn dude
[08:49] <ztonzy> between 600kB --> 1024kB/s
[08:49] <dennisc> I've got 3 / 0.7 Mbit/s for 43 euro
[08:49] <ztonzy> so it was quite fast installing Ubuntu ;)
[08:50] <NTolerance> i bet
[08:50] <dennisc> 10 / 2 Mbit/s is 85 euro
[08:50] <eliteforce> hi
[08:50] <dennisc> that's too expensive for me
[08:51] <eliteforce> i've got a little question :) how can i install dev archives (e.g opera8) which i downloaded manually on kubuntu?
[08:51] <eliteforce> deb archives
[08:52] <ztonzy> ~ 43 Euro /month for my 10/1 mbit/s   and if I upgrade with one time fee same amount I can get same montly rate with 24/1
[08:52] <NTolerance> eliteforce: dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:53] <leito> en espaol 
[08:53] <NTolerance> no
[08:53] <gunny> no hablo espanol aqui
[08:53] <ztonzy> svenska :P
[08:53] <leito> kubuntu-es ?
[08:54] <gunny> no se habla ingles?
[08:54] <dennisc> Ik spreek geen Spaans
[08:54] <leito> espaol o ingles?
[08:54] <NTolerance> ingles
[08:54] <gunny> ingles
[08:55] <error403> ingles?
[08:55] <leito> ok!!! <gunny> <NTolerance> 
[08:55] <dennisc> +s
[08:55] <leito> adio
[08:55] <NTolerance> you guys sure confused him
[08:55] <ztonzy> heh
[08:55] <NTolerance> as soon as someone asks if we speak english we all stop speaking english
[08:56] <dennisc> singles do that
[08:56] <gunny> he asked if we speak spanish I said no only english  then I asked him if he spoke english 
[08:56] <NTolerance> i know, but everyone else used another language
[08:56] <NTolerance> :P
[08:56] <gunny> just tryin to hel help-o
[08:57] <NTolerance> no problem, just thought it was funny
[08:57] <gunny> just trying to el helpo
[08:57] <NTolerance> el channel es en ingles, no?
[08:57] <gunny> si 
[08:57] <NTolerance> i wonder how bad that grammar was
[08:57] <NTolerance> been a long time
[08:58] <gunny> en el-geek exacto
[08:58] <NTolerance> wewt
[08:58] <gunny> 3 years spanish in High school another 2 semesters in collegs 
[08:58] <gunny> many many years ago
[08:58] <NTolerance> i had a little less than that
[08:58] <gunny> MANY years ago 
[08:58] <NTolerance> same here
[08:59] <gunny> holy crap my 20 year HS reunion is this summer
[08:59] <NTolerance> :o
[08:59] <error403> lol
[08:59] <error403> im still AT high school...
[08:59] <error403> lol
[08:59] <ztonzy> guinsel, guess not older then me ?  I am turning 36 this summer
[08:59] <ztonzy> oops
[08:59] <ztonzy> gunny, to you ;)
[09:00] <ztonzy> gunny, guess not older then me ?  I am turning 36 this summer
[09:00] <gunny> I can remember spanish from 20 yeras ago but forget what I had for breakfast 
[09:00] <ztonzy> than*
[09:00] <gunny> 38 in November here
[09:00] <ztonzy> aah :D
[09:00] <ztonzy> hehehe
[09:00] <gunny> I have a brother your age 
[09:00] <sbcman> And I chose to learn french instead of spanish..
[09:00] <gunny> the young whippersnapper
[09:00] <ztonzy> gunny, I got one that's 31
[09:01] <gunny> 2 semesters of french 1 year Latin too
[09:01] <gunny> loved latin the most 
[09:01] <gunny> I had a crush on the teacher 
[09:01] <sbcman> I learned german when my dad was stationed there for 4 yrs..
[09:01] <dennisc> I like how americans always discuss their school system without stating ages
[09:01] <gunny> I should know german since my name is Gunther ut I don't 
[09:01] <gunny> er I don't
[09:02] <gunny> well dennisc  usually when we Americans refer to semesters, that's college when we talk years its high school lol
[09:02] <sbcman> what do you mean dennisc?
[09:04] <dennisc> on slaashdot for example and then ask others to comment whithout giving age references
[09:05] <sbcman> I guess I missed to much of the conversatiojn
[09:05] <dennisc> as if every schoolsystem has highschool and only the classes differ
[09:05] <dennisc> In friends Gunther was Dutch, odd error.
[09:06] <kubx> ahm does somebody know how to reset my nickserv pw?
[09:06] <error403> anybody else here run/considering running VMWare?
[09:06] <gunny> sorry I'm not used to tailoring my conversation for an international audience lol
[09:07] <gunny> stupid amarok keeps loking up on me screen redaw is patheticly slow 
[09:07] <kubx> ahm does somebody know how to reset my nickserv pw?
[09:07] <dennisc> screen redraw is slow here too maybe because kernel is 368?
[09:08] <gunny> mine is 686 
[09:08] <gunny> nvidia driver only xchat an dsuper karamba running 
[09:08] <gunny> I bet its syperK
[09:08] <gunny> er superK
[09:09] <dennisc> With my mac experience i would say definitly
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> superK?
[09:09] <gunny> super karamba puthon scripted desk widgets
[09:09] <gunny> er python scripted that is
[09:10] <sbcman> still need to find a way to get my webcam to connect with MSN
[09:10] <gunny> ok I killed superkaramba and the problem went away 
[09:10] <gunny> durn it gnome just won an eye candy battle
[09:11] <gunny> does aMSN support webcam?
[09:11] <sbcman> gunny..I have been having problems with superkaramba also...eats up the cpu power
[09:11] <gunny> gdesklets seems a bit better sbcman
[09:11] <gunny> but not by much 
[09:12] <sbcman> gunny...seem to be a couple programs out there for webcams...but everything is testing or in receive only
[09:12] <ztonzy> gunny, tried it with a Gmail notifier, got strange gfx artifacts on desktop. heh
[09:12] <sbcman> superkaramba looks cool...but I would still like to be able use my computer and also make it look good
[09:13] <gunny> will gnomemeeting not interact with msn's servers?
[09:13] <sbcman> was also having a problem with some of the themes as the spaces would look like square...like there was a character set problem
[09:14] <sbcman> gunny...so you know I have not worked with gnomemeeting yet...as far as I now I think it just works with netmeeting though
[09:15] <gunny> sbcman,  I just looked myself at that 
[09:15] <gunny> looks like a netmeeting close for sure
[09:15] <sbcman> you just looked at gnomemeeting?
[09:15] <gunny> er clone
[09:15] <gunny> yes 
[09:15] <sbcman> yeah I think so
[09:15] <sbcman> sounds like there a couple projects not to far off..wont be long 
[09:16] <sbcman> otherwise I have everyother piece of hardware working with Kubuntu...tv card...sound...wireless..dual monitor
[09:17] <gunny> excellent sbcman 
[09:17] <sbcman> I have tried several distros...kubuntu is the only one I have gotten everything working right
[09:17] <gunny> I have all mine set up too, java for the mp3 server to my tivo, vlc for streaming video from my tivo, WINE for the few windows apps I still need to run, life is sweet 
[09:18] <sbcman> I want to get mythtv or freevo working...I have not done much with either one yet though
[09:18] <gunny> for me the bigest obstacle keeping from Linux full time was tivo extraction nad multimedia serving 
[09:19] <gunny> I have a 50 gig music collection and the tivo is the best way I have to get it to my home theathre system 
[09:19] <gunny> got it all working prety easily 
[09:21] <benz240> KDE gives an error when I middle click on a tab
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> hah hah.
[09:22] <benz240> thanks for the help
[09:23] <sbcman> gunny,...how much a month for your tivo?
[09:23] <benz240> well its back to Gnome for me
[09:23] <benz240> later noobs
[09:24] <dennisc> I've got a hauppauge pvr350 card, know a complete and simple mythtv guide?
[09:24] <eliteforce^> hm i get an warning when i start opera ... install motif?!
[09:25] <gunny> sbcman,  I have a dirctv tivo so its 5 bucks a month added to my dtv bill
[09:25] <sbcman> ahh..I have charter...I have thought about renting their device...
[09:26] <gunny> their device is crap 
[09:26] <gunny> I've used it 
[09:26] <sbcman> is it?
[09:26] <sbcman> buggy?
[09:26] <gunny> well its not as bad as time warner's  but not as good as tivo
[09:26] <gunny> google for moxie dvr sbcman
[09:27] <gunny> not hackable as far as I know 
[09:27] <error403> anybody else here run/considering running VMWare?
[09:27] <gunny> I run it error403 
[09:27] <error403> cool
[09:27] <error403> do you find you HAVE to run it as root?
[09:27] <gunny> no not at all 
[09:27] <gunny> you have to install it as root is all
[09:28] <error403> coz i think i am finally understanding the difference between 'sudo -s' and 'sudo -i'
[09:28] <gunny> virtual machines are stored in your /home directory 
[09:28] <error403> yes...
[09:28] <error403> if i install via 'sudo -i' then i have to run as root
[09:28] <error403> if i install via 'sudo -s' then i dont
[09:28] <gunny> right 
[09:28] <gunny> I just did sudo 
[09:28] <error403> yeah
[09:28] <sbcman> gunny...so you can run XP using vmware?  could I get my webcam working that way?
[09:28] <error403> well, that what i did this time...
[09:29] <gunny> sbcman,  yes 
[09:29] <gunny> I use it pretty much for iTunes and Jhym 
[09:29] <usuario> hello someone speak spanhish. i am from spain
[09:29] <error403> but i think sudo <command> uses sudo -s
[09:29] <gunny> no hablo espanol 
[09:29] <error403> ^^ whatever he said
[09:29] <gunny> I think I used su 
[09:30] <error403> su, under Kubuntu?
[09:30] <error403> how?
[09:30] <error403> lol
[09:30] <gunny> whenever I have alot of stuff to do in Konsole I use su
[09:30] <error403> i have no root account./..
[09:30] <kkathman> I am looking for a file in ubuntu called DIRCOLORS .. its not where it normally is in other Linux distros, does anyone happen to know where it is?
[09:30] <Tm_T> plah
[09:30] <gunny> sudo passwd root
[09:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[09:30] <gunny> after that you can use su
[09:30] <usuario> fuck
[09:30] <sbcman> is there a trial version of vmware or win4lin?
[09:30] <error403> well, whenever i do a lot of stuff, i use either sudo -s or sudo -i
[09:30] <gunny> yes 30 day trial of vmware
[09:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: and that file is...
[09:30] <gunny> win4lin is bad for windows xp 
[09:31] <kkathman> Tm_T thats the file that traditionally sets the colors for files in ls 
[09:31] <error403> gunny, you but VMWare?>
[09:31] <error403> *buy ?
[09:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: eeeh, you don't need it
[09:31] <error403> lol
[09:31] <error403> gunny, same here....
[09:31] <error403> lol
[09:31] <gunny> rofl 
[09:32] <error403> *cough*serial*cough*
[09:32] <NTolerance> gunny:  how hard is vmware to install in linux?
[09:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: please show me your ~/.bashrc file
[09:32] <gunny> I have bought it in the past just lost my license key 
[09:32] <error403> NTolerance, easy...
[09:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: and I fix it :)
[09:32] <NTolerance> i should try it out then
[09:32] <error403> NTolerance, you need the source of your current kernel tho
[09:32] <gunny> NTolerance,  its a bin shell install
[09:32] <error403> it is?
[09:32] <error403> hmmm
[09:32] <gunny> pretty easy just dont dl the rpm version 
[09:32] <error403> :O
[09:33] <gunny> just the headers 
[09:33] <gunny> not the whole source
[09:33] <error403> i used 'sudo perl vmware-install.pl
[09:33] <gunny> yeah its a perl script 
[09:33] <error403> where is the bin then?
[09:33] <gunny> once you apt-get the headers, the install will find them 
[09:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: ??
[09:33] <gunny> same page as the rpm
[09:33] <error403> lol
[09:34] <gunny> gotta jet guys my daughter kust woke from her nap 
[09:34] <error403> umm, bye?
[09:34] <error403> lol
[09:34] <Tm_T> eh, why?
[09:35] <error403> because
[09:35] <Tm_T> oh WHY??!
[09:35] <error403> i got a huge school project started in MS word
[09:35] <sbcman> going to try the evaluation copy of vmware
[09:35] <Tm_T> eh, and you can't use OO.o / Koffice?
[09:35] <error403> and i dont have the time to mess around with the formatting when OO.o gets its hands on it
[09:35] <Tm_T> haha
[09:35] <error403> its got images all over the place...
[09:36] <Tm_T> doc is format from hell
[09:36] <Tm_T> why even use it
[09:36] <error403> lol
[09:36] <error403> yes
[09:36] <error403> after i finish this project, OO.o all the way
[09:36] <Tm_T> no, txt all the way
[09:36] <error403> but with windows fonts...
[09:36] <error403> i LOVE 10pt Verdana
[09:37] <Tm_T> I stick with simple txt
[09:37] <Tm_T> you can open it everywhere, it's small etc etc
[09:37] <error403> lol
[09:37] <error403> but for 8000 word projects, it aint much use...
[09:37] <Tm_T> eeh
[09:38] <kkathman> Tm_T where do you want me to show that to you?
[09:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: you don't have website or something?
[09:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: just let me see it, some way
[09:40] <kkathman> aha I found it :)
[09:40] <kkathman> its at /usr/bin/dircolors
[09:41] <kkathman> Tm_T I suppose you want the bashrc in the home directory Im sure..you dont want the profile right
[09:42] <Tm_T> yes
[09:42] <Tm_T> hahaha
[09:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, don
[09:42] <kkathman> its in a PM to you
[09:42] <Tm_T> don't paste it to here
[09:42] <Tm_T> =)
[09:43] <kkathman> ooops flooded
[09:43] <Tm_T> that's all?
[09:43] <kkathman> you prolly didnt get it
[09:43] <kkathman> did you get it all?
[09:43] <Tm_T> some lines yes
[09:43] <Tm_T> not much
[09:44] <kkathman> ahh ok
[09:44] <Tm_T> it can't be that short
[09:44] <kkathman> hmm
[09:44] <Tm_T> pastebin etc might help
[09:44] <Tm_T> or save it into some networkplace
[09:45] <kkathman> Ill just send it to you
[09:45] <kkathman> see DCCC
[09:45] <Tm_T> wtf
[09:45] <Tm_T> 2:45 DCC no file offered by kkathman
[09:45] <Tm_T> ok, I ask about that from admin, wait a minute
[09:46] <kkathman> trying again
[09:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:47] <Tm_Tr> kkathman: send it to me
[09:48] <kkathman> sending
[09:48] <Tm_Tr> nope
[09:49] <Tm_Tr> can't see it
[09:49] <Tm_Tr> ok, one more client :p
[09:49] <kkathman> ohhh wait
[09:49] <kkathman> Im sending it to Tm_T :)
[09:49] <Tm_Tr> I saw
[09:49] <kkathman> not Tm_Tr
[09:49] <Tm_Tr> yep
[09:49] <kkathman> ugh
[09:49] <kkathman> sorry
[09:49] <kkathman> one sec
[09:49] <Tm_Tr> np
[09:50] <Tm_Tr> oh wait, don't send it to "me"
[09:50] <Tm_Nuada> kkathman: send it to _me_
[09:50] <Tm_Nuada> ;p
[09:50] <kkathman> there we go
[09:50] <kkathman> lol you changed AGAIN! :)
[09:50] <Tm_Nuada> yes
[09:50] <Tm_Nuada> now it goes straigt to my computer
[09:51] <kkathman> here we go
[09:51] <Tm_Nuada> those others are in other boxes
[09:51] <kkathman> hmm I thought we exchanged files the other day...that png file :)
[09:51] <Tm_Nuada> hmm
[09:52] <Tm_Nuada> try it again
[09:53] <Tm_Nuada> kkathman: hmm, I think you used msn then?
[09:53] <Tm_Nuada> just use dcc now
[09:53] <Tm_Nuada> kkathman: send it again, not coming
[09:53] <pussfeller> there used to be a fileserver applet built into the panel somewhere in kde....
[09:54] <Tm_Nuada> hmm
[09:54] <ojw> still is in latest kubuntu, pussfeller 
[09:54] <pussfeller> im saying that might be an option if dcc isnt working
[09:55] <Tm_Nuada> heh
[09:55] <Tm_Nuada> but it supposed to work atm
[09:56] <Tm_Nuada> kkathman: hello?
[09:57] <kkathman> 1 sec..phone
[09:57] <Tm_T> np
[09:58] <Tm_T> hmm, just wondering if I opened wrong ports
[09:59] <Tm_T> :)
[09:59] <Tm_T> F_for_Fragging: frag yourself all the time?
[10:01] <Tm_Nuada> ok, this is grazy, 4 irc clients open at the same time, really keep me busy =)
[10:01] <Tm_Nuada> c
[10:01] <Tm_Nuada> ffff-uck, can't write anymore
[10:01] <Tm_T> no you can't
[10:02] <Tm_T> Tm_Nuada: you suck!!!
[10:02] <Tm_Tr> :p
[10:02] <Tm_T> hmm, ok, I'm moron
[10:10] <kkathman> ok Tm_Nuada Im off the phone, sorry for that interruption
[10:10] <Tm_Nuada> no problemo
[10:11] <kkathman> I think I remember sending that via MSN...let me do that instead
[10:11] <Tm_Nuada> kkathman: no, try dcc first
[10:11] <kkathman> well ok want me to try one more time?
[10:11] <Tm_Nuada> yes, one more
[10:11] <Tm_Nuada> I think this time it works
[10:12] <kkathman> ok
[10:12] <kkathman> ok there it goes
[10:13] <kkathman> I may need to switch my PC to be outside the firewall momentarily
[10:13] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, ok, dcc doesn't work because of your end
[10:13] <Tm_Nuada> or mine
[10:14] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, even more ports :p
[10:14] <Tm_Nuada> wtf, what ports irc dcc use then?
[10:14] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, ok, hitm e one more time
[10:15] <kkathman> yep
[10:15] <kkathman> hold on
[10:16] <kkathman> ok I pulled my Linux box out and put it in the DMZ
[10:16] <kkathman> lets try one more time
[10:16] <Tm_Nuada> :)
[10:17] <kkathman> sending
[10:17] <Tm_Nuada> come on baby one more time ;p
[10:17] <Tm_Nuada> haha
[10:17] <Tm_Nuada> my mistake this time
[10:17] <kkathman> ok
[10:17] <Tm_Nuada> now
[10:17] <Tm_Nuada> now send it
[10:17] <kkathman> k
[10:18] <kkathman> AHA!
[10:18] <Tm_Nuada> haha, too easy now
[10:18] <Tm_Nuada> ok
[10:18] <kkathman> lol
[10:18] <Tm_Nuada> ok, it was your end
[10:18] <Tm_Nuada> because I opened "wrong" port range
[10:19] <kkathman> yeah I had to get out from behind my firewall
[10:19] <Tm_Nuada> but still it came
[10:19] <kkathman> I used whatever the defaults were
[10:19] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, let me see...
[10:20] <Tm_T> heh
[10:20] <NTolerance> i have a stupid question...
[10:20] <kkathman> NTolerance: OK I have a stupid answer
[10:20] <NTolerance> are KDE themes saved in the KDE directory.....like baghira for example
[10:20] <NTolerance> hehe
[10:20] <kkathman> yep
[10:20] <NTolerance> ok
[10:21] <Tm_T> haha
[10:21] <NTolerance> let's say i format this beast with another distro that has KDE 3.4
[10:21] <kkathman> usualy in your home directory under .themes or something like that
[10:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: privmsg ...
[10:21] <NTolerance> if i copy my .kde folder over, will my theme work?
[10:21] <kkathman> hmmm
[10:21] <kkathman> dont know
[10:21] <NTolerance> more specifically, another Debian-based distro
[10:21] <NTolerance> err
[10:22] <NTolerance> actually no
[10:22] <NTolerance> let's say i install PC-BSD with KDE 3.4, can i carry my theme over?
[10:23] <_chavo> NTolerance, KDE styles are QT plugins, they go in /usr
[10:23] <sarom> Ommmega!
[10:24] <NTolerance> hrm, can i copy them over, or is a reinstall necessary?
[10:24] <NTolerance> i should have said style, because that's what baghira really is
[10:24] <sarom> that would make a good name for a linux distro: omega
[10:24] <sarom> let's change ubunto to omega
[10:24] <chavo> well, I've copied a style over from my Mandrake partition, but it is very similar to kubuntu
[10:25] <sarom> ubuntulog, sorry
[10:25] <NTolerance> anything with the words "dumb bitch" in it makes up a good name
[10:25] <NTolerance> Dumb Bitch Linux
[10:25] <sarom> and the KDE version would be komega
[10:25] <NTolerance> has such a nice ring
[10:25] <sarom> that's too slutty
[10:25] <sarom> lol
[10:25] <NTolerance> i guess i'll find out when/if i try it
[10:25] <NTolerance> hehe
[10:25] <sarom> your linux distro is a ho!
[10:26] <NTolerance> Tm_T knows how slutty i am
[10:26] <chavo> Yes, it's very "easy"
[10:26] <Tm_T> NTolerance: ?
[10:26] <NTolerance> easy to use distro
[10:26] <NTolerance> hehe
[10:26] <NTolerance> Tm_T we were joking earlier about how "cheap" i was
[10:26] <Tm_T> oh yes!
[10:26] <Tm_T> joke?
[10:27] <Tm_T> eh, you wasn't serious? damn!
[10:27] <sarom> omega, gomega = gnome, komega = kde
[10:27] <NTolerance> heh
[10:27] <KaiL> was hier somebody having problems with his Audigy2?
[10:27] <sarom> I did
[10:27] <sarom> I have an audigy 2
[10:27] <NTolerance> someone was yesterday, i pointed him to a thread on the forums
[10:27] <sarom> but once I installed kde package
[10:27] <KaiL> sarom: found the problem?
[10:27] <sarom> sound was fixed automatically
[10:28] <KaiL> ok :)
[10:28] <KaiL> it's set to digital out as default
[10:28] <sarom> but my mic doesnt work
[10:28] <ztonzy> NTolerance, I am back in gnome ;)
[10:28] <NTolerance> did you remove kde?
[10:28] <NTolerance> or reinstall completely?
[10:28] <ztonzy> NTolerance, removed :-\
[10:28] <ztonzy> annoyed...
[10:28] <NTolerance> via apt-get?
[10:29] <NTolerance> howso?
[10:29] <ztonzy> well...why have something that keeps crashing ?
[10:29] <NTolerance> i feel the same way
[10:29] <NTolerance> that's why i am going to use something else
[10:30] <NTolerance> it's either KANOTIX or PC-BSD at this point
[10:30] <_kp> anyone with familiar with scanners installation? Thanks
[10:30] <NTolerance> i'm just trying to carry over as much of my settings as possible
[10:30] <ztonzy> NTolerance, ah
[10:30] <ztonzy> ok
[10:30] <sarom> one day we'll have a linux distro with an asian name.... YingYang Linux... Kung-Fu Linux... .
[10:31] <ztonzy> NTolerance, what is Kanotix ?
[10:31] <NTolerance> basically Knoppix optimized for an HDD install
[10:31] <ztonzy> exept it is a distro
[10:32] <NTolerance> yeah
[10:32] <ztonzy> aha
[10:32] <NTolerance> looks cool from what i can tell
[10:32] <NTolerance> boasts good wireless support
[10:32] <NTolerance> supposedly has all the hardware detection of Knoppix
[10:32] <NTolerance> KDE 3.4
[10:32] <ztonzy> NTolerance, how do you mean cool ?
[10:32] <NTolerance> as in good
[10:32] <NTolerance> :D
[10:33] <ztonzy> url ?
[10:36] <NTolerance> standby
[10:36] <NTolerance> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kanotix
[10:36] <NTolerance> http://kanotix.com/
[10:36] <NTolerance> supposedly a live CD and installer all in one
[10:36] <NTolerance> which i like
[10:37] <dell500> is there a way to resize XMMS's Playlist when it's off the screen??
[10:38] <uniq> alt+right-click and drag? 
[10:39] <dell500> well it's off my window size cause my desktop was in 1280xwhatever now it's 1024xwhatever
[10:40] <NTolerance> dell500: /home/dell500/.xmms/config
[10:40] <NTolerance> playlist_width=300
[10:40] <NTolerance> playlist_height=232
[10:40] <dell500> thanks
[10:40] <NTolerance> np
[10:42] <dell500> bbl
[10:47] <kikov_> hi... 
[10:47] <kikov_> is it possible installing kubuntu from the live-cd?
[10:48] <kikov_> I have seem several live-cd with that posibility... does kubuntu make that'
[10:48] <kikov_> ?
[10:48] <dell500> how do you get the taskbar like mac osx?? i forgot what it was called again :)
[10:49] <kikov_> dell500, there are several replacement for kicker
[10:49] <kikov_> por example, kxdocker
[10:50] <NTolerance> i like kxdocker
[10:50] <NTolerance> the configurator is a bit clunky, but workable after some tweaking
[10:50] <dell500> neat, another question, how do you get the weather, sys info, and the network monitors on the desktop??
[10:51] <gunny> dell500,  the weather applet is a bit wonky at th momment
[10:51] <NTolerance> i used to use kweather for the KDE systray
[10:51] <NTolerance> now i just use the forecastfox extension for firefox
[10:51] <gunny> I used liquid weather in super karamba until I found the memory leak 
[10:51] <NTolerance> kikov_: there is not a way to install kubuntu from the live CD that i know of
[10:52] <NTolerance> superkaramba apps take up too much CPU IMHO
[10:52] <NTolerance> even when running in the background
[10:52] <gunny> I agreeNT
[10:52] <NTolerance> however
[10:52] <gunny> er I agree NTolerance 
[10:52] <NTolerance> is there a hotkey to turn them off/on
[10:52] <kikov_> NTolerance, thx
[10:52] <NTolerance> in the latest Mac OS you can turn on/off widgets by a button
[10:52] <NTolerance> that way you can avoid high CPU usage
[10:53] <gunny> you can rt click a widget and turn it off
[10:53] <NTolerance> meh, that's not efficient enough
[10:53] <NTolerance> global hotkey is a better way
[10:53] <gunny> well, write a script ;) 
[10:53] <NTolerance> i don't like having to minimize all apps to desktop
[10:53] <NTolerance> heh
[10:53] <NTolerance> Tm_T helped set me up with torsmo
[10:53] <NTolerance> it's very good about resources
[10:53] <gunny> what is torsmo?
[10:53] <NTolerance> mainly because it's just text, but still nice
[10:54] <NTolerance> system stats for your desktop
[10:54] <NTolerance> text based
[10:54] <kkathman> gunny  its like gkrellm
[10:54] <gunny> I see I used to use gkrellm
[10:54] <kkathman> i couldnt really get torsmo to report well, so I have a superkaramba theme
[10:55] <NTolerance> did you try Tm_T's config file?
[10:55] <NTolerance> i can send it to you
[10:55] <kkathman> NTolerance: nope
[10:55] <vinzenz> good evening
[10:55] <kkathman> I like the transparent viewing tho I have with sk
[10:55] <gunny> for fun run gdesklets on your kde desktop many of the desklets work just fine
[10:56] <vinzenz> say do you know how to configure the packagesourcelist so that apt finds the packages in the ubuntu archive?
[10:57] <sarom> there is one in windows and mac called k**********       I forget the name.. but it started with k.. karabunto or something
[10:57] <gunny> konfabulator
[10:57] <gunny> and it uses javascript 
[10:57] <sarom> yeah!
[10:57] <dell500> kool thanks NTolerance , that's fat
[10:57] <sarom> that one
[10:57] <transgress> how much of a footprint does torsmo have?
[10:57] <sarom> is gdesklets similar to it?
[10:57] <gunny> yes uses puthon scripts 
[10:57] <transgress> gdesklets is similar to karamba
[10:57] <gunny> er python 
[10:58] <NTolerance> kkathman: torsmo is transparent
[10:58] <NTolerance> let me grab a screenshot
[10:58] <NTolerance> standby
[10:58] <sarom> should I download karamba or superkaramba?
[10:58] <gunny> super 
[10:58] <kkathman> kewl
[10:58] <gunny> karamba is depracated now 
[10:59] <sarom> ok great.. im downloading gdesklets and superkaramba now
[10:59] <transgress> does karamba themes work with superkaramba?  i still use karamba heh
[10:59] <gunny> yes 
[10:59] <gunny> super just adds some http stuff and advanced python script functiions
[10:59] <kkathman> sarom: superkaramba, but only if you have decent system resources (i.e. memory)
[11:00] <NTolerance> the formatting on mine is a bit off, but it's the best i can do
[11:00] <NTolerance> http://www.supload.com/012005/snapshot5-1-053.png
[11:01] <NTolerance> http://us.mms.com/us/mpire/
[11:02] <sarom> Breaking News: Blair Re-elected
[11:02] <NTolerance> the trailer is funny
[11:02] <kkathman> NTolerance: yeah thats nice
[11:02] <NTolerance> oh snap
[11:02] <transgress> whoa nice... the stuff actually looks right in superkaramba that didn't in karamba
[11:02] <NTolerance> i like Blair
[11:02] <gdh> sarom: <sigh> ...
[11:02] <kkathman> NT can I get the config file?
[11:03] <NTolerance> sure
[11:03] <NTolerance> i'll send you Tm_T's one
[11:03] <NTolerance> firewall killing DCC xfer?
[11:04] <gunny> NTolerance, like emulators much? lol
[11:04] <Tm_T> NTolerance: ?
[11:05] <NTolerance> i love 16-bit consoles :D
[11:05] <NTolerance> especially the SNES
[11:05] <NTolerance> Tm_T, i was showing kkathman your torsmo config
[11:05] <Tm_T> ah ok
[11:05] <NTolerance> having problems sending to him though
[11:05] <Tm_T> NTolerance: you checked it?
[11:05] <NTolerance> i've got it running now, modified a bit
[11:05] <NTolerance> http://www.supload.com/012005/snapshot5-1-053.png
[11:06] <NTolerance> the battery monitor's formatting isn't correct....it's output from a terminal command
[11:06] <kkathman> NTolerance:  please send that again I had to switch to get outside my firewall
[11:06] <NTolerance> don't know how to push it farther up
[11:06] <NTolerance> ok
[11:06] <Tm_T> NTolerance: can you figure out why it prints one empty line after "ip" line ?
[11:06] <Tm_T> NTolerance: don't send
[11:06] <NTolerance> ok
[11:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: stop, stay where you are
[11:06] <NTolerance> hehe
[11:06] <kkathman> ok
[11:07] <Tm_T> NTolerance: it's still in my website afaik
[11:07] <NTolerance> Tm_T, i'm not sending my file, i'm sending the one you sent me a while back
[11:07] <Tm_T> easier
[11:07] <NTolerance> yeah that is easier
[11:07] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/torsmorc-temp
[11:08] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/torsmorc.sample
[11:08] <Tm_T> I think it's little bit easier this way =)
[11:08] <NTolerance> true
[11:09] <kkathman> I just installed torsmo
[11:09] <NTolerance> put the file in your home dir as .torsmorc
[11:09] <kkathman> what file
[11:09] <NTolerance> the file on Tm_T's site
[11:10] <kkathman> which one?
[11:10] <NTolerance> good question
[11:10] <NTolerance> i think i used the first
[11:10] <NTolerance> but not sure
[11:10] <kkathman> the sample or temp?
[11:10] <NTolerance> temp i think
[11:11] <NTolerance> try 'em both, see how they work
[11:11] <kkathman> k
[11:11] <NTolerance> you will have to stop torsmo with the "kill" command, it will output it's process id to the terminal
[11:11] <NTolerance> if you want to reload the config
[11:12] <vinzenz> how can i make root to be able to login into the graphical system?
[11:12] <gunny> wow torsmo is kinda cool
[11:13] <gunny> wtf is pegging my cpu at 99%
[11:13] <kkathman> UGH this is terrilble!!!!!!!
[11:13] <kkathman> the flicker is unbelievable :)
[11:14] <kkathman> ugh...I'll stay with ubermon :)
[11:15] <NTolerance> ok
[11:15] <NTolerance> kkathman
[11:15] <NTolerance> go to KDE control center -> desktop and disable desktop icons
[11:15] <NTolerance> that may fix it
[11:15] <NTolerance> if not, torsmo 0.19 has double buffering which will definitely fix it
[11:15] <NTolerance> :)
[11:16] <gunny> hmm torsmo starts then quits 
[11:17] <NTolerance> does it still show up in top?
[11:17] <gunny> it just popped back up 
[11:17] <gunny> weird
[11:17] <kkathman> uhm why would I want disable my desktop icons for one app ?
[11:17] <kkathman> hehe
[11:18] <sarom> it seems that gdesklets has much more applets than superkaramba
[11:18] <NTolerance> as far as i know torsmo doesn't play well with desktop icons period, i could be wrong
[11:18] <NTolerance> Tm_T could confirm
[11:18] <kkathman> sarom go to kde-look.org they have 100's of superkaramba themes
[11:18] <NTolerance> it's a tradeoff between low cpu usage and desktop icons i suppose
[11:18] <sarom> oooooh!!!
[11:19] <sarom> Im going there right now! :)
[11:19] <kkathman> NTolerance:  well I have the memory to run sk and its non-flickering  :)
[11:19] <kkathman> NTolerance: seems that torsmo is not well written, no need to update EVERYTHING each time
[11:20] <NTolerance> :P
[11:20] <NTolerance> memory isn't a problem for me either, it's the constant CPU usage with superkaramba
[11:20] <NTolerance> can't steal my precious cycles from ZSNES
[11:20] <sarom> I see some screenshots of people having their background as a console... is this possible?
[11:21] <kkathman> well I dont know, Im sitting here with 5% CPU and running 2 Superkaramba themes
[11:21] <NTolerance> hmm
[11:21] <NTolerance> i was getting more like 10%
[11:21] <kkathman> actually less sometimes
[11:21] <NTolerance> on my P4-M 1.7
[11:21] <kkathman> 3-4%
[11:21] <kkathman> ahhh I have an AMD Semperon 2500+
[11:21] <Tm_T> NTolerance: what?
[11:22] <Tm_T> what what??
[11:22] <NTolerance> oh i dunno
[11:22] <NTolerance> erm
[11:22] <NTolerance> hehe
[11:22] <NTolerance> hold on
[11:22] <kkathman> AMD Sempron I mean...sorry
[11:22] <kkathman> however your spell it
[11:23] <NTolerance> Tm_T, don't you have to disable desktop icons with torsmo no matter what?
[11:23] <gunny> stupid kaffeine eating cpu cycles
[11:23] <Tm_T> NTolerance: or run torsmo in windowed mode
[11:23] <Tm_T> ugly then
[11:23] <pussfeller> gkrellm!
[11:24] <Tm_T> pussfeller: it's not hte same
[11:24] <pussfeller> they both vaguely useful piece of eye candy
[11:25] <sarom> kkathman, where do you place your theme folders for superkaramba?
[11:26] <Tm_T> pussfeller: eh, torsmo == eyecandy?
[11:26] <Tm_T> pussfeller:  torsmo != eyecandy !
[11:26] <kkathman> sarom I created a directory in my home dir called karamba-themes
[11:26] <sarom> aha,,, I'll do the same :)
[11:27] <NTolerance> time to head home
[11:27] <NTolerance> bbl
[11:27] <kkathman> torsmo = eyecandy if you like to blink alot :)
[11:27] <kkathman> hehe
[11:28] <smouche> Well, rub candy on your eyes and of course you'll blink a lot.
[11:29] <smouche> if your lids don't stick together.
[11:30] <smouche> I was gonna try superkaramba, then I remembered how much a pain gdesklets were, and figured I wouldn't bother
[11:30] <smouche> they're sort of similar, aren't they?
[11:30] <kkathman> hey smouche :)
[11:31] <smouche> kkathman, did you ever get opera working with java? 
[11:31] <kkathman> not yet smouche
[11:31] <smouche> how is everybody?
[11:31] <kkathman> I gotta figure out how to link java to the plugins somehow
[11:31] <smouche> I don't think opera is ready for kubuntu prime time.
[11:31] <gunny> hmm kmail is havingtrouble with localmail can't lock my /var/local mail file
[11:31] <kkathman> smouche: I like it cuz its so dang fast, but some of those little things kill me
[11:32] <gunny> kkathman I have no problems with java in opera, what seems to be the trouble?
[11:32] <kkathman> gunny: I am trying to get Opera to recognize where the java plugin is do you know how to do that?
[11:32] <gunny> opera doesnt use plugins just tell opera where you java ninary is 
[11:32] <smouche> I have the same problem, gunny.  
[11:33] <gunny> er binary that is 
[11:33] <kkathman> gunny ok...whats the binary then?
[11:33] <gunny> like /usr/java/bin or wherever
[11:33] <kkathman> ahh ok
[11:33] <smouche> hmmm, I wonder where -- lol
[11:33] <smouche> checking...
[11:33] <kkathman> and where do you do that?
[11:33] <kkathman> in Opera that is
[11:33] <gunny> in the preferences advanced
[11:33] <gunny> let me re-install opera real quick and do a step by step  brb
[11:34] <kkathman> yah I dont see advanced
[11:34] <smouche> gunny, that's very kind of you!
[11:34] <kkathman> yeah it really is
[11:34] <gunny> been meaning to reinstall it anyway 
[11:35] <gunny> downloading now 
[11:35] <kkathman> we get by with a little help from our friends :)
[11:35] <gunny> mmm hmm 
[11:35] <gunny> pass the dutchie on the left  hand side
[11:36] <smouche> oh yeah, kkathman, there is a blank there in advanced prefs for a java path
[11:36] <gunny> ok opera installed
[11:37] <kkathman> smouche...where
[11:37] <gunny> preferences/advanced/content
[11:37] <kkathman> OK well Im totally out then
[11:37] <gunny> click enable java and then chose java options
[11:37] <kkathman> I dont have a "preferences"
[11:37] <gunny> tools/preferences
[11:37] <gunny> sorry 
[11:38] <kkathman> ok I got that
[11:38] <kkathman> where is the "advanced"
[11:38] <gunny> tools/preferences/advanced/content
[11:38] <gunny> tab at the top 
[11:38] <kkathman> Honest to gosh I dont have that
[11:38] <gunny> see where it says general/wand/webpages/advanced
[11:38] <smouche> hey hey, it's working!
[11:39] <kkathman> im in 7.54
[11:39] <gunny> get opera 8 
[11:39] <smouche> kkathman, I have the beta
[11:39] <gunny> opera 8 is out and very sweet 
[11:39] <kkathman> see I have 7.54
[11:39] <Tm_T> hmh
[11:39] <gunny> upgrade man upgrade :) 
[11:39] <Tm_T> kkathman: you gonna use torsmo?
[11:39] <smouche> but I find it hard to believe that opera prior to 8 couldn't do java...
[11:40] <smouche> there must be a setting somewhere...
[11:40] <kkathman> Tm_T no
[11:40] <smouche> anyway, kkathman, gunny is right, version 8 is nice.
[11:40] <kkathman> ok
[11:40] <smouche> looking at a freemind map right now.
[11:40] <smouche> cool.
[11:40] <kkathman> did you guyz just get that from the Opera site then right?
[11:40] <gunny> yes 
[11:40] <gunny> there is an ubuntu package 
[11:41] <smouche> Now, I have to get the paths right for the multimedia plugins in there too.
[11:41] <gunny> actually its the same debian sarge package but who's keeping score 
[11:41] <smouche> heh heh -- I didn't realize there was an ubuntu package!
[11:41] <smouche> that probably would have simplified things.
[11:41] <gunny> like I said its the same debian sarge package lol
[11:41] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm... why? :)
[11:42] <kkathman> I wonder if I have to uninstall operal 7
[11:42] <kkathman> hmm
[11:42] <kkathman> and how??
[11:43] <kkathman> maybe that dpkg -r???
[11:43] <kkathman> Tm_T I dont like that flicker and I dont want to disable my icons
[11:43] <kkathman> superkaramba is fine for me Tm_T 
[11:44] <gunny> kkathman no you should be fine just download the deb package and let dpkg do the rest 
[11:44] <themolest> is there a way to start the second half of the install if the first time failed?
[11:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: flicker?
[11:44] <kkathman> ok gunny will do
[11:44] <kkathman> Tm_T yes BAD flicker
[11:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: use doublebuffer
[11:44] <kkathman> Tm_T nah Im good
[11:44] <Tm_T> I mean enable it =)
[11:44] <gunny>  I installed 8 over a beta version of 8 with no worries
[11:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: I found (super)karamba too heavy
[11:45] <Tm_T> and I really like the way torsmo appears
[11:45] <Kisain> ts2_client_rc2_2032.tar.bz2 <-----how do i install this file
[11:46] <Kisain> anyone know?
[11:46] <mikerobi> Kisain: probably "tar -xjf ts2_client_rc2.*; cd ts2_client_rc2.*/; ./configure; make; sudo make install"
[11:46] <Kisain> is that all one command?
[11:46] <Kisain> i'ma nub
[11:46] <gunny> oh and as a bonus opera looks in your firefox directory to pick up plugin info just like konqueror does
[11:46] <mikerobi> nope the semicolons indicate seperate commands
[11:46] <Kisain> ahhh
[11:46] <Kisain> i see
[11:48] <kkathman> ok smouche what path did you put in the java path under the advanced?
[11:48] <smouche> kkathman, you will love this version of opera!
[11:48] <smouche> let me check, just a sec
[11:48] <mikerobi> smouche: complete with spyware
[11:48] <smouche> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/lib/i386
[11:49] <smouche> worked fine after restarting opera.
[11:49] <smouche> mikerobi, known spyware, or are you just basing that on the fact that it's adware?
[11:50] <kkathman> nopw
[11:50] <kkathman> nope
[11:50] <kkathman> cant see that freemind page :(
[11:50] <smouche> I've used the adware versions of opera before, and it always seemed to play fair.
[11:50] <smouche> kkathman, did you restart?
[11:50] <smouche> don't use "Daniel's public map" - try the other one
[11:50] <Kisain> mike, i must be retarded can you walk me through it i did the first part 
[11:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:50] <Kisain> that you said
[11:50] <Tm_T> heh
[11:51] <Tm_T> spyware? where?
[11:51] <kkathman> yeah smouche, when I click "Enable Java" and put that path in, then restart, the check mark disappears when I come back in
[11:51] <nizamo> hello someone 2 talk 2 me ???
[11:51] <Tm_T> nizamo: ?
[11:52] <nizamo> yeah
[11:52] <smouche> that's odd, kkathman.  Hmmm -- did you let opera confirm that path?  Maybe it should be different in your installation.
[11:52] <gunny> validate the java path its going to be /lib/i386 something 
[11:52] <smouche> kkathman, click on "validate java path"
[11:52] <gunny> very cool feature
[11:53] <Tm_T> Kisain: eh, you needed some help?
[11:53] <smouche> yeah, gunny. it's great, it even suggested the most likely candidate for me.
[11:53] <gunny> I think it checks for JAVA_HOME and path 
[11:53] <Kisain> yea i did the tar command and now i'm in the directory but i don't know what else to do
[11:54] <Kisain> ts2_client_rc2_2032.tar.bz2 is the file i'm working with
[11:54] <kkathman> I cant find my java
[11:54] <gunny> smouche do your toolbars match the rest of your kde install?
[11:54] <nate_> hi
[11:54] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, "cd ts2_client_rc2_2032"
[11:54] <kkathman> CRAP!
[11:54] <nate_> kkathman: look in the cup
[11:54] <nate_> hardy-har-har
[11:54] <gunny> kkathman did you follow th eubuntu guide to install java?
[11:54] <gunny> if so its in usr/java
[11:54] <Kisain> yes it put it in that directory using this command sudo tar -xjf ts2_client_rc2_2032.tar.bz2
[11:55] <smouche> no, gunny, not at all, but I don't mind that.
[11:55] <Kisain> the program is called teamspeak
[11:55] <nate_> Kisain: whats the problem?
[11:55] <Kisain> i don't know hwo to install
[11:55] <smouche> I need to find a less fancy-schmancy theme for opera though; I hate scrollbars that change color!
[11:55] <gunny> if you did the autoinstall script found on the forums its in in /usr/java/jre.25 something 
[11:56] <Kisain> i ran a command and unzipped it and i'm in the directory now
[11:56] <Kisain> but thats all i know how to do
[11:56] <kkathman> FINALLY!!!
[11:56] <Tm_T> Kisain: "./configure"
[11:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: great
[11:56] <kkathman> holy cow!!
[11:56] <Kisain> no such file or directory
[11:56] <Kisain> it says
[11:56] <Tm_T> ehh
[11:56] <smouche> kkathman, is this that "fakeroot" java install or something that's confusing stuff there?
[11:56] <kkathman> no
[11:56] <Tm_T> Kisain: ehh, great
[11:56] <kkathman> I didnt do that
[11:56] <Kisain> did i do something wrong?
[11:56] <kkathman> I just did that deb file
[11:57] <gunny> ok then look in /opt kkath
[11:57] <gunny> also do find java from a command line that should help 
[11:57] <Tm_T> Kisain: guess what, I think you gonna need to install many packages first :/
[11:57] <Kisain> um like what? :(
[11:57] <gunny> er locate java that is 
[11:57] <Kisain> i thought i had everything but no matter i have a t3
[11:58] <Kisain> so downloading will take a few secs
[11:58] <smouche> or kkathman, see if firefox lists the java path somewhere
[11:58] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, you need compilers and such
[11:58] <nate_> t3...that used to be such a good thing
[11:58] <gunny> locate java works very well kkathman 
[11:58] <nate_> now its not really that special
[11:58] <Kisain> i thought i alredy had them all
[11:58] <Kleggas> how do I change what sessions I want to be able to choose in kdm?
[11:58] <Tm_T> Kisain: ok
[11:58] <Kisain> i downloaded some compilers for ubuntu the other day dosen't kubuntu use them?
[11:59] <Kisain> or does it have diffrent ones?
[11:59] <Tm_T> Kisain: same
[11:59] <Tm_T> Kisain: ok, what you find in that directory?
[11:59] <Tm_T> is there .c files?
[12:00] <Kisain> shane@ubuntu:~/Desktop/stuff/ts2_client_rc2_2032$ dir
[12:00] <Kisain> readme  setup.data  setup.sh
[12:00] <Tm_T> ok, read that readme
[12:00] <Tm_T> Kisain: and ask me after that
[12:00] <Kisain> it's gonna be gibberish to me lol
[12:00] <error403> has anybody noticed any recent instabilities in Firefox?
[12:00] <Tm_T> error403: nope
[12:00] <error403> damn
[12:00] <error403> coz it keeps hanging on me...
[12:01] <Tm_T> error403: my FF is running ... 8 days now?
[12:01] <error403> heh
[12:01] <Tm_T> no, I started it today..
[12:01] <error403> well, it only breaks on startup...
[12:02] <nate_> i have to pee