[09:32] <asmodai> nice
[09:32] <asmodai> comment bug got fixed
[11:27] <abelli> daf: ping
[11:27] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[11:27] <daf> ciao abelli 
[11:28] <abelli> ciao daf ..
[11:28] <abelli> daf: can you insert the .desktop file in your alexandria package?
[11:29] <abelli> s/can you/could you please
[11:30] <daf> which version are you using?
[11:30] <abelli> 0.4
[11:30] <abelli> -2
[11:30] <daf> ok
[11:31] <daf> the .desktop file is present in version 0.5
[11:31] <abelli> something really bad with it?
[11:31] <abelli> grr
[11:31] <abelli> is it somewhere in ubuntu?
[11:31] <daf> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=alexandria
[11:31] <daf> it seems it's present in Breezy
[11:32] <abelli> daf: yeah sorry .. i didnt thought of it.
[11:32] <abelli> thank you then.
[11:32] <daf> no worries
[11:32] <abelli> i owe you a beer/orange juice/glass of water/pizza
[11:33] <daf> heh
[11:38] <abelli> daf: it has brokend dependencies
[11:38] <daf> ah
[11:39] <abelli> it looks for libgnome2-ruby 0.12 and breezy has 0.11
[11:39] <daf> hmmm :/
[11:40] <abelli> dehiho .. doh .. please.
[11:41] <abelli> why is it in universe :)=?
[11:41] <daf> heh
[11:42] <abelli> when will you think youll have it in breezy?
[11:42] <abelli> too many "ll" ..
[11:43] <abelli> s/will/do
[11:46] <daf> not sure
[11:46] <daf> we might still be syncing
[11:46] <abelli> daf: are you using it?
[11:46] <abelli> i mean alexandria ver .5?
[11:47] <daf> yes
[11:47] <abelli> how?
[11:47] <abelli> :)
[11:47] <daf> well, I uploaded the packages to Debian
[11:47] <daf> Ubuntu is just syncing them
[11:48] <abelli> thanks.
[11:49] <abelli> buona giornata a tutti
[12:39] <morgs> edd: ping
[01:40] <Simira> daf: do translations in Hoary/Rosetta automatically go upstream when they're 100% translated?
[01:41] <daf> yes, we hack into the upstream CVS repositories and commit them there
[01:42] <superted> daf: huh?
[01:43] <spiv> daf: You forgot to use explict <sarcasm> tags.
[01:43] <daf> well, upstreams usually don't do it themselves
[01:43] <daf> so we have to do it for them
[01:44] <daf> spiv: :)
[01:44] <spiv> daf: One day, irc clients will fill them in automatically :)
[01:44] <Simira> ok, should I ask more specific: How do I get a ready file upstream?
[01:44] <daf> you have to contact the upstream
[01:44] <daf> we don't have a way of automating it at the moment
[01:44] <asmodai> in an ideal world the rosetta system would notify the maintainers
[01:54] <carlos> asmodai: rosetta should not do it if maintainers are not interested on it
[01:55] <carlos> I mean, if they don't say "Yes, I want to get spammed every time a translation is ready"
[01:56] <daf> still, it's worth adding to the wish list page
[01:56] <Simira> daf/carlos: ok, but what exactly do I do with wget in Hoary-translations, now when it's ready?
[01:56] <asmodai> carlos: Why would you otherwise register your project on launchpad
[01:57] <asmodai> and then register it with rosetta for getting translations
[01:57] <asmodai> and you then let the user having to do notification of the project's maintainers to say a translation is done?
[01:57] <asmodai> Seems opposite towards the workflow.  Of course you can always add a toggle for the email.
[01:59] <mpt> asmodai: In the future I hope to have a Rosetta-centered signup page that still gives you a Launchpad account, but also lets you add your project to Rosetta and say "yes, I want to know about new translations" on a single page
[01:59] <asmodai> mpt: nice.
[01:59] <carlos> asmodai: all products imported into Rosetta are not from maintainers
[02:00] <asmodai> mpt: aren't you one of kiko's friends/acquaintances.
[02:00] <carlos> some of them are from translators that want to use Rosetta to translate that product.
[02:00] <asmodai> carlos: Ahh, ok.
[02:00] <mpt> asmodai: Yep
[02:00] <asmodai> carlos: That's helpful as well as not.
[02:00] <asmodai> mpt: That explains why I thought your nick looked familiar. ;)
[02:00] <carlos> Simira: wget in Hoary-translations?, sorry don't get you
[02:00] <asmodai> mpt: How's tricks?
[02:01] <mpt> asmodai: Midnight meetings are teh suck
[02:01] <asmodai> mpt: *laughs*
[02:01] <asmodai> mpt: Understandable.  They're now on -5 from me.  Can only imagine the difference to you.
[02:01] <Simira> carlos: I'm soon done checking the Norwegian translation of wget, for a friend. What do I do afterwards, to make sure it's submitted?
[02:03] <asmodai> mpt: Been trying desparately landing a python related job here in NL.  Gah.  difficult.
[02:05] <carlos> Simira: For Ubuntu?, just upload it into Rosetta
[02:06] <carlos> Simira: if you want it inside upstream tarballs, you need to send it to upstream maintainer
[02:07] <Simira> carlos: ok, I need to export the file from Hoary translations, and then upload it to Rosetta?
[02:08] <carlos> Simira: What do you understand as "Hoary translations"?
[02:08] <carlos> I thought you were already using Rosetta for it...
[02:09] <Simira> carlos: I am. But it's kind of confusing when I go to "distros  ubuntu  hoary  +sources  wget" to translate it. 
[02:10] <carlos> that's wget as we have it in hoary
[02:10] <carlos> why Is it confusing?
[02:10] <Simira> carlos: ok, so when we have translated it 100%, it's automatically updated in hoary?
[02:11] <carlos> we will do a translations update for hoary every month
[02:12] <Simira> ok
[02:12] <carlos> so yes, you don't need to care about anything to get them into Ubuntu
[02:12] <Simira> ok
[02:12] <mpt> asmodai: Sorry, I don't know anyone in .nl, let alone snake handlers
[02:12] <carlos> but it's a good thing to send the updates also upstream
[02:12] <Simira> carlos: yes. Howto?
[02:13] <carlos> Simira: we don't have a procedure
[02:13] <carlos> but the best way to do it is
[02:13] <carlos> look for the project web page
[02:13] <carlos> and a way to contact them
[02:13] <carlos> and send the translation
[02:13] <Simira> notify the maintainer, I guess? Yes
[02:14] <carlos> yes
[02:14] <Simira> well, I'll go that after lunch
[02:14] <Simira> thanks.
[02:14] <Simira> But you should have an option for automatic emailing maintainers when translations are done. An optional one.
[02:14] <carlos> Simira: please, add it to the RosettaWishList page 
[02:14] <carlos> at ubuntu's wiki
[02:15] <Simira> that and more...
[02:15] <Simira> did I ever get an answer on what's the best chance of getting things done? Adding it as a bug in Malone (as I was told earlier, and ahve done a lot), or in the wiki?
[02:16] <asmodai> mpt: Oh, was not saying you should look f or me ;)
[02:16] <asmodai> mpt: just commenting on the general state ;)
[02:17] <carlos> Simira: well, whatever you use, will not get lost
[02:17] <carlos> Simira: the wiki page lets other people know about what has been requested already
[02:17] <carlos> so it's up to you
[02:36] <mdke> carlos, did you see bug 528?
[02:36] <carlos> I think so, will try to answer today
[02:40] <mdke> not a problem
[02:40] <mdke> just wanted to let you know. i don't think it was every a problem before, its suddenly appeared
[02:42] <carlos> mdke: well, I think it's the way he's trying to get the translation form. There seems to be a bug in that path
[02:43] <carlos> mdke: but https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+translations should work
[02:43] <carlos> of course the other bug will be fixed, but If it's what I think, it's not Rosetta specific so I cannot tell you when it will be fixed (I hope soon).
[02:45] <mdke> right
[02:53] <mdke> carlos, i still get that error when accessing the translation from that url
[02:53] <carlos> hmmm
[02:53] <carlos> can I get the link?
[02:53] <mdke> from that page, i click quickguide, then italian, then "show untranslated strings"
[02:53] <mdke> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/quickguide/+translate?languages=it
[02:57] <carlos> ooh, that
[02:57] <carlos> hmm, I think that we were talking about two different bugs then
[02:58] <carlos> mdke: I did a change to Rosetta that hope will reach the server next week and will fix that problem
[02:58] <mdke> carlos, cool
[03:00] <mdke> perhaps i got the bug number wrong ;)
[03:03] <carlos> mdke: no, I was talking with you relaying in my memory :-)
[03:03] <carlos> and I'm still a bit "jet lagged"
[03:04] <carlos> so I'm the point of failure here :-P
[03:04] <mdke> carlos, take some time out to relax
[03:04] <mdke> i'm off on holiday myself today
[03:04] <mdke> carlos, how did UDU go re: Rosetta?
[03:05] <pschulz01> greetings. I've just signed up.. and have a small patch for 'fdclock'
[03:05] <pschulz01> what should I do?
[03:05] <carlos> mdke: really good, we have a list of feature we are going to develop for next two months already. Need to dump it into the wiki so all people knows it
[03:05] <mdke> great
[03:06] <carlos> pschulz01: hmmm, not sure if it's related with launchpad itself... I suppose fdclock is an Ubuntu application, right?
[03:06] <pschulz01> 'free desktop clock'
[03:06] <carlos> mdke: did you saw the spec about Ubuntu doc imports?
[03:06] <carlos> pschulz01: ok, then I suppose you should go to #ubuntu-devel
[03:06] <pschulz01> I reported a bug with 'reportbug' (something different.
[03:07] <mdke> carlos, i tried but the wiki was password protected
[03:07] <carlos> pschulz01: hmm, reportbug sends the bugs to debian
[03:07] <pschulz01> #ubuntu-users (bob2) suggested I look at launchpad...
[03:07] <bob2> er
[03:07] <bob2> I told you what to do
[03:07] <bob2> go to bugzilla if the package is in main
[03:07] <carlos> mdke: I put an open copy at the udu wiki, the only missing part is the implementation plan....
[03:07] <pschulz01> carlos: no.. the email goes to ubuntu-users
[03:07] <carlos> oh
[03:07] <bob2> malone (I gave you the url) if it's in universe
[03:07] <carlos> didn't know that
[03:08] <mdke> carlos, will look when I get back
[03:08] <carlos> mdke: ok
[03:08] <pschulz01> bob2: hi! Yes i'm registered.. and I came here to find out what to do next.
[03:08] <bob2> pschulz01: go to the url I gave you
[03:09] <pschulz01> bob2: done that. fdclock not a registered product.
[03:10] <pschulz01> bob2: should I register it?
[03:34] <carlos> pschulz01: there is already such product...
[03:34] <carlos> pschulz01: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/fdclock/+filebug
[03:34] <carlos> (not sure if you just created it...)
[03:34] <carlos> yeah, you are the owner :-P
[03:40] <pschulz01> I just edded it.
[03:40] <pschulz01> 'added'
[03:41] <pschulz01> How do I add add a patch?
[03:42] <carlos> pschulz01: malone does not allows you to attach files (yet)
[03:42] <carlos> if it's not too long, add it inside the text area
[03:42] <pschulz01> Sould I send it directly to the maintainer?
[03:42] <carlos> if it's too long, try to put there a link to it
[03:43] <pschulz01> This first one is very short :-)
[03:43] <carlos> pschulz01: if you want it applied upstream, I suppose it's faster if you send it to the maintainer
[04:00] <pschulz01> I tried to add a comment to a bug (568) and got an error...
[04:00] <pschulz01> When this happened previously, I tried again and it seemed to work.
[08:46] <Burgundavia> who would I email abut double accounts on launchpad
[08:46] <dholbach> hey
[08:46] <SteveA> do you mean that you have two separate accounts, and you'd like to make them one?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:47] <SteveA> there's a link here :  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/foaf/people
[08:47] <SteveA> the link is for "merge them"
[08:48] <SteveA> you get some emails with URLs in, and go to the URLs to show that you have those email addresses
[08:48] <SteveA> other than that, it is automatic
[08:48] <Burgundavia> ick
[08:48] <Burgundavia> I have an issue
[08:49] <Burgundavia> the email my launchpad/wiki account is under is dead
[08:49] <Burgundavia> and I have no way of getting it back
[08:50] <SteveA> i see.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> one of the accounts has zero activity, so it can be deleted
[08:50] <SteveA> okay, what's the email address or name of that account?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/foaf/people/corey-burger/ <-- this one
[08:51] <SteveA> okay
[08:51] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/foaf/people/cburger/ <-- this is the one I edit under, which is still under the email cburger@victoria.tc.ca
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I have no idea where the empty account came from
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I would guess some auto merge wierdness
[08:52] <SteveA> okay, i'll pass this on to the database admin
[08:52] <Burgundavia> thanks
[08:53] <Burgundavia> SteveA, just a sec
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I may be able to solve it
[08:55] <Burgundavia> SteveA, I thought you needed to send to both email addys
[08:55] <Burgundavia> but you didn't
[08:55] <SteveA> so, it's sorted out for you?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:56] <SteveA> cool
[08:56] <Burgundavia> thanks for the info
[11:46] <jbailey> I'm trying to 'Request Merge of User Accounts', and either me or the application is confused.
[11:46] <jbailey> I got here because I went to add my home email to my launchpad account, and says that I already exist.
[11:47] <jbailey> I went to merge, and typed in my other email address under duplicated account, but there it says that it can't find it.
[11:47] <Kinnison> merging seems complicated and incomplete currently
[11:47] <jbailey> When I click "(list)", the select person popup box shows up, but it also doesn't know jbailey@raspberryginger.com
[11:48] <jbailey> Ah, okay.
[11:49] <jbailey> lifeless told me that I should actually report bugs that I've been having in Launchpad these days.  Does Malone handle bugs for the launchpad product?
[11:49] <jbailey> I'd like to add myself to a cc: list for the bug so I can remember to merge these when it's ready.
[11:50] <JanC> jbailey : AFAIK launchpad user accounts only use the part before '@' as the username
[11:51] <jbailey> JanC: I can try that, but 'jbailey' is a pretty overloaded name out there.
[11:51] <JanC> yeah, maybe they automaticly add a number or something ?
[11:51] <jbailey> Creepy, it has apparently just sent an email out to the account I want to merge with.
[11:51] <JanC> during the import I mean
[11:52] <jbailey> No indication of who that was.
[11:52] <jbailey> Import?
[11:52] <JanC> import from the old accounts (wiki, mailing list addresses, ...) into "launchpad persons"
[11:52] <jbailey> Ah, interesting.
[11:52] <jbailey> Then I probably have a pile of them.
[11:53] <JanC> I was listed 3 times because I used 3 e-mail addresses  ;-)
[11:53] <jbailey> It remains a bug, I suspect, that this isn't obvious (especially given that the screen before I was using an emailaddress to identify myself)
[11:54] <JanC> you probably better ask someone who works on this  :-)
[11:54] <jbailey> Also, depending on what all it imported, I probably have accounts in there that I can't get to - A few of my Debian packages still use a really old email address that I can't send or receive mails from anymore.
[11:55] <jbailey> JanC: Ah, sorry about that.  I hadn't realised I was in the wrong place.
[11:55] <jbailey> JanC: Where's the right place to put the questions?
[11:56] <JanC> no it's okay here, but it seems like nobody is around
[11:56] <JanC> at least, none of the developers did answer yet  :)
[11:56] <jbailey> It's all good, I'm patient.  Timezones suck.
[11:58] <Kinnison> The relevant developers are almost certainly asleep
[11:59] <jbailey> Kinnison: Or just crawling out of bed.
[11:59] <jbailey> Kinnison: Thinking of which, are you feeling better yet?
[11:59] <JanC> timezones are fun, they mean there is almost always someone awake on one of the more general Ubuntu channels  ;-)