| jabra | dholbach: can you review my radmind package? | 12:02 |
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| dholbach | not tonight, but i will review it | 12:03 |
| dholbach | promise | 12:03 |
| jabra | awesome | 12:03 |
| jabra | thanks, I really appreciate it | 12:03 |
| jabra | I am going to have another package soon as well | 12:03 |
| dholbach | is it on MOTUToReview or MOTUNewPackages? | 12:03 |
| jabra | ToReview | 12:04 |
| jabra | I had added it to NewPackage by mistake. I then removed it | 12:04 |
| dholbach | then everything's fine | 12:04 |
| dholbach | try to be patient | 12:05 |
| dholbach | there are unfortunately loads of people waiting | 12:05 |
| jabra | right | 12:05 |
| jabra | ok well I will build this other package in the meantime | 12:06 |
| jabra | I wanta get it into debian and ubuntu | 12:06 |
| dholbach | jabra: don't get me wrong: we all appreciate your work with the MOTUs but pushing people towards your packages won't help i fear | 12:07 |
| jabra | ok I understand | 12:08 |
| jabra | it just seems that there isn't anything be updated on that site. | 12:09 |
| jabra | that is just what it seems to me | 12:09 |
| jabra | I am probably wrong though | 12:09 |
| dholbach | you must understand: we are 10 people doing this in our free time | 12:10 |
| jabra | right | 12:10 |
| dholbach | and we're maintaining packages ourselves and some of us just returned from australia | 12:10 |
| ogra | and universe are ~15000 packages | 12:10 |
| jabra | right | 12:10 |
| dholbach | it's pretty annoying to wait for a review, i can absolutely understand your point | 12:11 |
| jabra | ok right | 12:11 |
| dholbach | but i'm afraid that only patience helps here | 12:11 |
| jabra | ok | 12:11 |
| jabra | sorry for being annoying | 12:12 |
| dholbach | don't worry | 12:13 |
| dholbach | i just want to explain our current situation | 12:13 |
| dholbach | i hope we will grow soon, so i'm glad you still do work on packages | 12:13 |
| jabra | basically I have sometime before I start my job and I just finished a semester of college (CO OP) | 12:15 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 12:16 |
| jabra | so I am working on personnal projects and packaging for tools I use | 12:17 |
| dholbach | brb | 12:21 |
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| dholbach | re | 12:25 |
| tseng | weee | 12:25 |
| tseng | monodoc_1.0.6-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED | 12:25 |
| dholbach | :-))))9 | 12:25 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:25 |
| tseng | thats my first "real" upload | 12:27 |
| dholbach | waaaaaah, the new beep-media-player skin is UGLY | 12:27 |
| tseng | dude, beep is ugly | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | use muine | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | or sonance | 12:27 |
| tseng | he has to wait for me and libgda :( | 12:27 |
| tseng | for those | 12:27 |
| Burgundavia | is muine borked in breezy? | 12:28 |
| tseng | if you use amd64 | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | oh | 12:28 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 12:28 |
| tseng | im fixing that atm | 12:32 |
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| Nafallo | yay! my firewall works :-) | 12:38 |
| dholbach | and you can even access IRC? impressive!" | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | just run a test from pcflank.com on 1-65535, everything does what it should :-) | 12:45 |
| Nafallo | stealthed except ssh, smtp and www :-) | 12:45 |
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| dholbach | good night everyone | 01:19 |
| ajmitch_ | hey | 01:23 |
| ajmitch_ | tseng: anything you want me to break/unbreak now for mono? | 01:24 |
| ajmitch_ | or are you still waiting on the libgda stuff | 01:24 |
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| ajmitch_ | hey AndyFitz | 01:25 |
| ajmitch_ | tseng: congrats on getting into the keyring, btw | 01:25 |
| AndyFitz | heya ajmitch_ | 01:26 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: i can fix from here | 01:49 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: its taking my uploads now | 01:49 |
| ajmitch_ | excellent | 01:49 |
| tseng | dammit | 01:50 |
| ajmitch_ | just about got to breezy status | 01:52 |
| tseng | yeah i lost the amd64 fix | 01:52 |
| tseng | gotta readd | 01:52 |
| tseng | should fix the changelog too | 01:52 |
| tseng | gah upload privelages rock | 02:07 |
| tseng | ogra: that last upload was just for you | 02:10 |
| tseng | im getting used to this svn-buildpackage stuff | 02:15 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: im about to trash the hell out of your chroot I think | 02:19 |
| === Nafallo let's festival read the log from #ubuntu-hardened ;-) | ||
| tseng | hows my nick sound? | 02:22 |
| tseng | silly | 02:22 |
| Nafallo | tseng: I'm not there yet ;-) | 02:22 |
| Nafallo | tseng: I had to sed "greater than" ;-) | 02:22 |
| tseng | oh man | 02:22 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 02:22 |
| tseng | yeah i always wonder how that works | 02:22 |
| tseng | because dmwaters uses all that text-to-speech stuff | 02:23 |
| Nafallo | joins are really irritating ;-) | 02:23 |
| tseng | i hope this is the last revision of mono for awhile | 02:24 |
| Nafallo | tseng: I just did cat rfc-1.log | sed s/\<// | sed s/\>/\ / | festival --tts | 02:24 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 02:24 |
| tseng | weve made 5 | 02:24 |
| tseng | one because ajmitch_ cant cut and paste code :P | 02:24 |
| tseng | one because I'm a tool | 02:25 |
| tseng | mmm where is seb | 02:32 |
| tseng | is it sleep time there? | 02:32 |
| Nafallo | should be 1:34 or something... | 02:34 |
| Nafallo | spain, right? | 02:34 |
| tseng | france | 02:35 |
| Nafallo | should be either 1:35 or 2:35 then... | 02:35 |
| Nafallo | not sure which of them... | 02:35 |
| tseng | oh well | 02:38 |
| tseng | i mailed him | 02:38 |
| tseng | no wonder ive been talking to myself | 02:38 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 02:38 |
| Nafallo | I let the computer talk ;-) | 02:38 |
| tseng | oh man we are so close | 02:39 |
| tseng | mono++ | 02:39 |
| Nafallo | hmm, festival says SE Linux as SouthEast Linux ;-) | 02:43 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/mono.png | 02:45 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: tommorow could be the big day :) | 02:46 |
| Nafallo | tseng: Brandon Hale sounded good enough :-) | 02:54 |
| tseng | hah ok | 02:54 |
| tseng | i meant nick | 02:54 |
| Nafallo | hmm, capitalized code wasn't fun to hear for once. | 02:59 |
| Nafallo | tseng: you should soon join the channel I think ;-) | 02:59 |
| tseng | yay | 03:00 |
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| ajmitch_ | hey I didn't cut & paste that code, I just did it from scratch :P.. | 03:23 |
| tseng | yeah, wrong! | 03:23 |
| tseng | :D | 03:23 |
| tseng | and then I went and clobbered it | 03:24 |
| tseng | oh well | 03:24 |
| tseng | oh fuck me | 03:24 |
| tseng | cli-common isnt available on amd64? | 03:24 |
| tseng | whats the deal with that | 03:24 |
| tseng | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 03:25 |
| tseng | cli-common: Depends: mono-utils but it is not going to be installed or | 03:25 |
| === ajmitch_ checks | ||
| tseng | cil-disassembler | 03:25 |
| tseng | Arch: all | 03:25 |
| ajmitch_ | mono-utils not built on amd64? did we miss it in the arch lines? | 03:26 |
| tseng | *looks* | 03:26 |
| tseng | we did | 03:26 |
| ajmitch_ | nah, debs are there | 03:26 |
| tseng | well | 03:27 |
| tseng | its not in my copy | 03:27 |
| tseng | of control | 03:27 |
| ajmitch_ | there are debs for 2ubuntu4 | 03:27 |
| ajmitch_ | none for 3ubuntu1 | 03:27 |
| tseng | ok | 03:27 |
| tseng | well | 03:27 |
| ajmitch_ | which is what the buildd will try & install | 03:27 |
| ajmitch_ | perhaps | 03:28 |
| Nafallo | tseng: lol | 03:28 |
| Nafallo | tseng: t-s-e-n-g ;-) | 03:28 |
| tseng | is anyone who can try to install mono-utils and see whats broke | 03:28 |
| tseng | on amd64 | 03:28 |
| === ajmitch_ chuckles at jba's job hunting | ||
| tseng | he /msg me first | 03:28 |
| tseng | and I told him it was a long shot | 03:29 |
| Nafallo | tseng: damn your nick is irritating ;-) | 03:30 |
| zul | has he got anything actually to show with ubuntu other than showing up at udu? | 03:30 |
| tseng | so can I put a # in control? | 03:30 |
| Nafallo | btw, I'm building a breezy chroot on amd64 :-) | 03:30 |
| ajmitch_ | Nafallo: thanks, you can test mono for us | 03:31 |
| tseng | zul: he must have done something on mono or be pretty slick with whois, he found the dec channel | 03:31 |
| tseng | dev. | 03:31 |
| zul | heh | 03:31 |
| tseng | miguel invited me or i would have nfc | 03:31 |
| zul | must go back to gcc4 thingy | 03:32 |
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| tseng | cli-common only has a build log for i386 | 03:32 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: yepp, that's the plan :-) | 03:32 |
| tseng | or i guess it is arch all so it builds on the 386? | 03:33 |
| ajmitch_ | yes | 03:36 |
| tseng | yeah wtf is broken | 03:41 |
| ajmitch_ | just that mono-util does'nt want to install on amd64 now | 03:45 |
| Nafallo | my internet connection is saturised by my nightly mirrorsync :-/ | 03:46 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: i know | 03:46 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: why | 03:46 |
| Nafallo | I'm trying to add a archive.ubuntu.com to my sources.list | 03:46 |
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| Nafallo | mono-utils: Depends: mono-assemblies-base but it is not going to be installed | 03:55 |
| tseng | hm | 03:56 |
| tseng | do you have amd64 for -assemblies-* ajmitch_ ? | 03:56 |
| tseng | also | 03:56 |
| tseng | http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.1.7/ | 03:56 |
| tseng | crack of the day! | 03:56 |
| tseng | "Mono no longer requires a separate shared process to provide the previous features, this has significantly improved Mono's I/O performance. Beagle is three times as fast indexing files and xsp tripled its speed." | 03:56 |
| Nafallo | if I try to install to install that package it want's mono-common. | 03:56 |
| Nafallo | I try to install mono-common then... :-) | 03:56 |
| tseng | well | 03:56 |
| tseng | ill just read the diff out of pool | 03:57 |
| Nafallo | hmm, those packages are from my local mirror. they wasn't up2date. | 03:59 |
| tseng | uh | 04:00 |
| tseng | so 2ubuntu4 had amd64 in all the right places | 04:00 |
| Nafallo | I removed local mirror from sources.list, apt-cache policy still claimes mono-common to be 1.1.6-2ubuntu4 | 04:00 |
| tseng | because it is | 04:00 |
| Nafallo | ahh | 04:01 |
| tseng | so | 04:01 |
| tseng | what cant you install please | 04:01 |
| tseng | root cause | 04:01 |
| Nafallo | mono-common has candidate 1.1.6-2ubuntu4 | 04:03 |
| Nafallo | mono-assemblies-base: Depends: mono-common (= 1.1.6-3ubuntu2) | 04:04 |
| Nafallo | seems that's the problem... | 04:04 |
| ajmitch_ | explains a bit | 04:04 |
| ajmitch_ | seems that all archs need to be built in sync | 04:04 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch_ | 04:07 |
| ajmitch_ | hello bddebian | 04:07 |
| jabra | I am wondering what the differnce for packages build for ubuntu compared to those built for debian | 04:08 |
| tseng | um, what | 04:18 |
| tseng | ooooh | 04:18 |
| tseng | since the arch amd64 stuff borked its fucked, ok | 04:18 |
| tseng | no problem | 04:19 |
| Nafallo | goodnight people :-) | 04:21 |
| schweeb | tseng: quit being lazy, mono 1.1.7 is out now. don't sleep until it's packaged. | 04:39 |
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| \sh | morning gentlemen | 05:44 |
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| tritium | crimsun: well, I tried to setup the proxy over ssh tunnel, but I can't seem to get it working | 06:03 |
| crimsun | where does it not work? | 06:03 |
| crimsun | can you connect to your irssi proxy without the ssh tunnel? | 06:04 |
| tritium | No | 06:04 |
| crimsun | is the proxy module loaded in your irssi client, and have you set a port and a passwd for freenode? | 06:05 |
| tritium | not remotely, that is | 06:05 |
| crimsun | ok, I presume 'tritium' is the irssi client? | 06:06 |
| tritium | yes | 06:06 |
| tritium | and yes to proxy module, port, and password question | 06:07 |
| crimsun | ok, so from another irc client (say, from the same host), you should be able to connect to port $x and get the freenode session | 06:09 |
| tritium | yes, I can do that okay | 06:09 |
| tritium | can't do it remotely | 06:09 |
| crimsun | ah, so you can't connect from outside to ip:x | 06:09 |
| tritium | right | 06:10 |
| crimsun | does your isp allow a range of high incoming ports? | 06:10 |
| tritium | yes, but I've only port-forwarded ssh through my router. I believe that's what i have configured incorrectly | 06:11 |
| tritium | I mean the ssh tunnel | 06:11 |
| crimsun | ah, yeah. You'll need to forward additional ports on your router | 06:11 |
| \sh | ok..change request was successfull...now I can go back home and sleep | 06:12 |
| crimsun | night, \sh | 06:12 |
| tritium | crimsun: despite tunneling? | 06:12 |
| tritium | Ah, I think I understand. | 06:12 |
| \sh | crimsun: not so fast :) | 06:16 |
| crimsun | ah :) | 06:16 |
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| dholbach | hey | 06:55 |
| tritium | Daniel! :) | 06:55 |
| dholbach | hey michael! :-) | 06:56 |
| tritium | Hi dholbach :) | 06:56 |
| tritium | crimsun, okay, all setup now. Got ssh tunnel working. No need for port-forwarding on my router. | 07:00 |
| crimsun | tritium: awesome. | 07:00 |
| tritium | crimsun, thanks again for the suggestion, and the help :) | 07:01 |
| crimsun | np at all | 07:01 |
| crimsun | morning daniel :) | 07:01 |
| dholbach | hey crimsun :-) | 07:01 |
| === tritium is a happy camper | ||
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| ivoks | 'morning | 07:11 |
| tritium | Morning, ivoks | 07:11 |
| ivoks | what's up? :) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | hey ivoks | 07:12 |
| ivoks | dholbach | 07:12 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 07:12 |
| ivoks | sleepy :) | 07:12 |
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| dholbach | me too | 07:12 |
| ivoks | i'm up since 3AM | 07:12 |
| ivoks | now is 7:12 | 07:13 |
| dholbach | ivoks: here too :-) | 07:13 |
| ivoks | lol | 07:13 |
| ivoks | i had to finish some drawings in autocad :( | 07:13 |
| ivoks | so, what's the procedure with packages in motu? | 07:14 |
| ivoks | who is reviewing them and how long does it takes? | 07:15 |
| dholbach | anybody of us will do it | 07:15 |
| dholbach | but we're in a bottleneck situation at the moment | 07:15 |
| dholbach | but i hope it'll get better soon | 07:15 |
| ivoks | i can imagine :) | 07:15 |
| dholbach | we're like ten people, doing it in our free time | 07:15 |
| ivoks | i know | 07:15 |
| dholbach | and maintain own packages as well, so being patient is highly appreciated :-) | 07:16 |
| ivoks | hehehe | 07:16 |
| ivoks | it's ok... | 07:16 |
| dholbach | i can't give any ETAs | 07:16 |
| crimsun | I will try and do a few reviews tonight | 07:16 |
| ivoks | oh, crimsun | 07:16 |
| dholbach | crimsun: good one... i will join you | 07:16 |
| ivoks | crimsun i created my kernel package :) | 07:17 |
| ivoks | crimsun but not ur way :) | 07:17 |
| crimsun | ivoks: many paths to the same destination :) | 07:17 |
| dholbach | ivoks: you should joing #ubuntu-kernel for that | 07:17 |
| ivoks | dholbach i know | 07:17 |
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| ivoks | :) | 07:18 |
| ivoks | crimsun /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/debian.README says it all ;) | 07:18 |
| ivoks | well... i have to reboot now :( | 07:19 |
| tritium | speaking of kernel-package, is it naming the result kernel-image or linux-image ? | 07:19 |
| ivoks | i have to print those cad drawings and of to university | 07:19 |
| ivoks | tritium it's linux-image on ubuntu | 07:19 |
| ivoks | tritium but, by default it calls it kernel-package | 07:19 |
| tritium | ivoks, right, so kernel-package in ubuntu names them correctly? | 07:19 |
| ivoks | tritium nope :( | 07:20 |
| tritium | That's what I thought. | 07:20 |
| ivoks | tritium i explaied all in howto | 07:20 |
| tritium | ivoks, oh, where at? | 07:20 |
| crimsun | wait, kernel-package creates kernel-image-foo? | 07:20 |
| crimsun | that's a rather significant bug if so | 07:20 |
| ivoks | crimsun i said that couple of times on couple of places :) | 07:20 |
| tritium | a few people I've recommended kernel-package to have told me the same | 07:21 |
| tritium | I've not used it in ubuntu, only debian | 07:21 |
| ivoks | tritium http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto | 07:21 |
| tritium | ivoks, thanks | 07:21 |
| crimsun | that probably needs to be merged, but we'll have to ask MOMs | 07:21 |
| ivoks | crimsun https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10148 | 07:22 |
| tritium | uh-oh, a new acronymn I don't know... | 07:22 |
| crimsun | tritium: (Masters of Main) | 07:22 |
| tritium | crimsun, thanks...should have guessed | 07:22 |
| tritium | There should be a MON for jack-of-all-trade types ;) | 07:23 |
| tritium | So perhaps kernel-package should be ubuntuized. dh-make could be modified a bit too | 07:24 |
| ivoks | tritium heh... | 07:24 |
| ivoks | i would sugest leave as is | 07:25 |
| tritium | kernel-package, or dh-make? | 07:25 |
| ivoks | but change linux-image to kernel-image | 07:25 |
| ivoks | but, that's only me :) | 07:25 |
| tseng | dh_make could spew alot less crap | 07:25 |
| dholbach | tritium: i will change dh-make, if i get approved for main uploads in next tb meeting | 07:26 |
| tritium | dholbach, super@ | 07:26 |
| tritium | ! | 07:26 |
| ivoks | ah... | 07:26 |
| ivoks | why was decided to name images linux-image? | 07:26 |
| dholbach | i already have a patch for it, but the debian guy didn't want it | 07:27 |
| ivoks | well, i agree it's better than kernel-image, but produces more work | 07:27 |
| dholbach | (using lsb-release and such) | 07:27 |
| tritium | ooh, good idea | 07:27 |
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| ivoks | this is longest period ubuntu stayed on my computer :) | 07:33 |
| ivoks | last time i reinstalled debian after 2 weeks :) | 07:34 |
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| tritium | ivoks, how come? | 07:43 |
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| ivoks | tritium it was warty | 07:48 |
| tritium | ivoks, oh, ok | 07:48 |
| ivoks | i wasn't satisifed it it... | 07:48 |
| ivoks | with it | 07:48 |
| ivoks | man... i have to see a doctor | 07:49 |
| tritium | you okay? | 07:49 |
| ivoks | i had car accident | 07:49 |
| ivoks | week ago | 07:49 |
| ivoks | since than i make a lot of typos.... | 07:49 |
| ivoks | and my car is... well, there is no more car :) | 07:50 |
| tritium | sorry to hear that. | 07:50 |
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| dholbach | oh shit :-/ | 07:50 |
| ivoks | me too :( | 07:50 |
| ivoks | guy smashed me from in the rear | 07:51 |
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| ivoks | bumbed me in the car in front of me | 07:51 |
| ivoks | didn't even brake... | 07:51 |
| tritium | ivoks, you got medical attention, I hope | 07:51 |
| ivoks | tritium yeah, i was in hospital, but i didn't feel anything strange | 07:51 |
| ivoks | they sanitized my neck | 07:52 |
| tritium | okay, good that you were checked | 07:52 |
| ivoks | yeah.. | 07:54 |
| ivoks | small car... i have to go to insurance company to see wich price they figured out :) | 07:55 |
| === dholbach has his fingers crossed | ||
| ivoks | dholbach me too | 07:56 |
| ivoks | but the day didn't start well... it's raining :( | 07:56 |
| ajmitch_ | time to finally use an ubuntu kernel, brb | 08:00 |
| ivoks | looks like ajmitch_ didn't make it :) | 08:12 |
| tritium | hopefully nothing serious | 08:12 |
| crimsun | those fscks can take a bit ;) | 08:13 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:13 |
| ivoks | not on ext3/xfs/etc... | 08:13 |
| crimsun | if you hit the mount limit, sure | 08:13 |
| crimsun | (for ext3) | 08:13 |
| ivoks | ah, tune2fs | 08:13 |
| ivoks | -c 99999999 | 08:14 |
| crimsun | yikes | 08:14 |
| crimsun | I kinda like the ole 20 | 08:14 |
| === tritium wishes G5s with 970MP would be available soon | ||
| ivoks | i don't like ext3 at all | 08:15 |
| ivoks | molotov follow ubuntuguid.org, u can't miss | 08:16 |
| ivoks | ups :) | 08:16 |
| ivoks | bye all, time to go | 08:21 |
| crimsun | cya | 08:21 |
| dholbach | bye ivoks | 08:21 |
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| tritium | crimsun, it's nearly 3 am there, isn't it? | 08:48 |
| jabra | sleep is for the weak | 08:54 |
| tritium | heh, I'm weak then ;) | 08:54 |
| jabra | ya me too | 08:54 |
| === jabra => bed | ||
| tritium | Same for me. Good night all. | 08:55 |
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| koke | hi all! | 11:06 |
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| dholbach | hey koke, AndyFitz | 11:26 |
| AndyFitz | hi dholbach | 11:26 |
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| ajmitch_ | wb dholbach :) | 12:35 |
| tseng | yayay | 12:35 |
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| Nafallo | morning all | 01:00 |
| ajmitch_ | hi | 01:00 |
| Nafallo | hmm, I'm going to build my test environment for my lappy. dunno if I should use chroot or pbuild though. | 01:01 |
| ajmitch_ | I tend to use both | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | well, chroots should be easier to set up from what I've heard :-) | 01:02 |
| ajmitch_ | I use the pbuilder base.tgz for setting up chroots :) | 01:03 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 01:03 |
| Nafallo | I might aswell use my local mirror :-) | 01:07 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 01:08 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | dependancy problems with cpp gcc and g++ while debootstraping. | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | anyone else get this? | 01:12 |
| ajmitch_ | can't say I've tried debootstrapping breezy in the last couple of days - I know some changes have been made | 01:14 |
| Nafallo | I'll try debootstrapping without --variant. | 01:14 |
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| Nafallo | dooh! | 01:23 |
| Nafallo | I shouldn't follow wikipages without thinking... | 01:23 |
| ogra | which one ? | 01:24 |
| Nafallo | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot | 01:24 |
| Nafallo | I copied my sources.list and just runned apt-get update | 01:24 |
| Nafallo | I should use breezy in the chroot, not hoary. | 01:24 |
| ogra | yeah | 01:25 |
| Nafallo | beware the power of sed ;-). fixed :-). | 01:26 |
| dholbach | does anybody of you have a postgresql server up, on which i could try glom? :-) | 01:30 |
| ogra | not yet | 01:31 |
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: yeah, I think postgresql still works.. | 01:31 |
| ajmitch_ | what is glom? | 01:31 |
| ogra | a new DB frontend | 01:31 |
| dholbach | database designer and user interface | 01:31 |
| ajmitch_ | ah ok | 01:31 |
| dholbach | what do you mean by "postgresql still works"? :-) | 01:32 |
| ajmitch_ | I upraded to breezy, remember :) | 01:32 |
| ajmitch_ | just starting to hack on a tool to help me merge some of these packages - so many packages are still newer in debian | 01:33 |
| ogra | dholbach, didnt you package fast-user-applet already ? shouldnt it be on ToReview ? | 01:36 |
| === ogra cleans out UniverseCandidates | ||
| dholbach | i packaged it, but the new version requires /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to lie around in configure target | 01:37 |
| dholbach | Unfrgive1's fusa build-deps on gdm | 01:38 |
| ogra | hmm... | 01:38 |
| dholbach | i want to discuss this with upstream, since it's unacceptable | 01:38 |
| ajmitch_ | it should be runtime only, not compiletime | 01:38 |
| dholbach | yeah... it's insane | 01:39 |
| ogra | depends would be necessary (gdmflexiserver) , but build-depends... | 01:39 |
| dholbach | ogra: it requires gdm.conf at build-time | 01:39 |
| ogra | ouch | 01:39 |
| dholbach | yes | 01:39 |
| dholbach | the compiler options should workaround it, but they don't work | 01:39 |
| dholbach | i suspect broken m4-foo in configure.ac | 01:39 |
| dholbach | but i don't want to fix it | 01:39 |
| === ogra lols at FreeDoko | ||
| ogra | sounds like free willy | 01:41 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 01:41 |
| dholbach | hahaha | 01:41 |
| Nafallo | aha! | 01:46 |
| === Nafallo backports the new version of debootstrap ;-) | ||
| ajmitch_ | he said the word! | 01:46 |
| ogra | GAH | 01:47 |
| Nafallo | hmm, failed anyway :-/ | 01:49 |
| Nafallo | should work to debootstrap hoary and dist-upgrade, right? ;) | 01:50 |
| ogra | huh... why do i have nvu in my apt-cache.... | 01:51 |
| ajmitch_ | yes | 01:51 |
| ogra | is it in debian now ? | 01:51 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: it landed in sid | 01:51 |
| ogra | yay... | 01:51 |
| Nafallo | ehm... something bad must have happened at some point... | 01:52 |
| === ogra happily wipes out all traces of nvu from the wiki | ||
| ajmitch_ | I remember thom complaining about yet another copy of the firefox source in the archive :) | 01:52 |
| dholbach | :-) | 01:52 |
| Nafallo | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server | 01:52 |
| Nafallo | Xlib: No protocol specified | 01:52 |
| Nafallo | I tried to run sudo synaptic & :-P | 01:52 |
| dholbach | ok... i'm out... see you later | 01:52 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: laters :-) | 01:52 |
| Nafallo | brb, hopefully | 01:53 |
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| Nafallo | never ever bindmount stuff, forget about them, and try to recursivly remove the tree where you home is/was. | 01:58 |
| Nafallo | I'm glad I detected my failure in time and only erased all settings. | 01:58 |
| Mithrandir | rm should grow a -x | 02:00 |
| Nafallo | -x? | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | aka --one-file-system; find has it, du has it, why not rm too? | 02:01 |
| Nafallo | ah, _that_ would be really good. that's a security upload, no? ;-) | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | ;) | 02:02 |
| Nafallo | fuck! I've lost .bash_profile and .bashrc :-P | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | restore from backup, then | 02:03 |
| Mithrandir | or check them out again. | 02:04 |
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| Nafallo | /etc/skel is my backup for the moment :-) | 02:04 |
| Mithrandir | :P | 02:04 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 02:04 |
| Nafallo | I think I've just found use for the empty 4.5GB SCSI-drive in my server ;-) | 02:05 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 02:07 |
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| Nafallo | s/gpg/gnupg/ | 02:07 |
| Nafallo | I could get them from my server. | 02:11 |
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| Nafallo | *puuh* | 02:33 |
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| Nafallo | finally. | 03:23 |
| Nafallo | I can run tests on stuff :-) | 03:23 |
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| tseng|work | Nafallo: know much about building packages? | 03:28 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: not yet. but I snag sources to look at from time to time :-). | 03:28 |
| tseng|work | ok rock on | 03:28 |
| tseng|work | you have breezy/amd64 right? | 03:29 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: amd64 hoary with breezy amd64 and i386 chroots :-) | 03:29 |
| tseng|work | rock out | 03:29 |
| tseng|work | have 20 minutes or so? | 03:29 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: I got the whole day :-) | 03:29 |
| tseng|work | heh | 03:30 |
| tseng|work | if you could, grab the source for mono on breezy | 03:30 |
| tseng|work | edit debian/rules | 03:30 |
| tseng|work | remove the extra tab in the ifeq (... amd64) block | 03:30 |
| tseng|work | and try to build it | 03:30 |
| Nafallo | oki | 03:30 |
| tseng|work | apt-get build-dep mono; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot | 03:31 |
| tseng|work | basically | 03:31 |
| ogra | worked fine for me yesterday already (with homebuilt libgnomedb).... i'm wondering where this strange error on the buildd comes from | 03:32 |
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| tseng|work | gr | 03:34 |
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| tseng|work | anyway, its not weird ogra | 03:34 |
| tseng|work | mono can use nptl or linuxthreads | 03:34 |
| tseng|work | linuxthreads is default.. amd64 doesnt have it | 03:35 |
| ogra | hmmm.... | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | so there is some code that sets the confflags per arch | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | which worked once on the buildd | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | now its failing | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | only change is some extra whitespace | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | i got from pasting it | 03:35 |
| ogra | looks rather like a buildd oddity... | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | could be | 03:35 |
| tseng|work | but it worked before with *almost* the same code | 03:36 |
| tseng|work | ill ask lamont | 03:36 |
| tseng|work | i guess | 03:36 |
| tseng|work | you left the whitespace in? | 03:36 |
| ogra | i didnt touch the surce at all | 03:37 |
| ogra | source even | 03:37 |
| Mithrandir | you should just switch the default to nptl, since all our platforms support it, afaik. | 03:37 |
| ogra | tseng|work, 1.1.6-2ubuntu4 | 03:38 |
| tseng|work | oh no | 03:38 |
| tseng|work | 3ubuntu3 | 03:38 |
| tseng|work | or was it 4 already | 03:39 |
| Nafallo | 3ubuntu4 | 03:39 |
| ogra | ah, yeah, i c you already switched to -3 | 03:39 |
| tseng|work | Mitrandir: nptl has problems on x86 | 03:39 |
| tseng|work | Mithrandir: ill look into enabling it again and testing later | 03:40 |
| tseng|work | a few months ago nptl mono on x86 crashed 100% of the time, it was awesome | 03:40 |
| Mithrandir | tseng|work: uhm, how so on x86? It'll be the default for breezy+1 so you have to fix it anyhow. :) | 03:40 |
| tseng|work | yes | 03:40 |
| tseng|work | (x86 will still have linuxthreads in breezy+1 btw) | 03:43 |
| tseng|work | ill definately test it again nptl only later | 03:43 |
| tseng|work | ogra: would you mind building 3ubuntu4? | 03:44 |
| ogra | no... just grabbing the source... | 03:44 |
| tseng|work | awesome | 03:44 |
| Nafallo | 35% grabbed :-P | 03:46 |
| Nafallo | I need faster downstream :-P | 03:46 |
| tseng|work | oh you know what | 03:46 |
| tseng|work | I'm retarded | 03:46 |
| Nafallo | hehe, didn't know that ;-) | 03:47 |
| tseng|work | i bet I left --with-tls=pthread in confflags at the top | 03:47 |
| tseng|work | and it isnt overriden by defining it again | 03:47 |
| thom | oops | 03:47 |
| Nafallo | hi thom! how's it going? :-) | 03:48 |
| tseng|work | will fix when I get home | 03:48 |
| tseng|work | working with my own changes and anonymous svn to alioth is annoying | 03:49 |
| tseng|work | I cant wait till everyone uses arch/hct and I can make my own branch and merge things | 03:50 |
| tseng|work | vs trying to merge by hand, I'm obviously too dumb for that | 03:50 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. in my opinion you're neither dumb or retarded. | 03:51 |
| Nafallo | s/or/nor/ | 03:52 |
| tseng|work | Nafallo dude ive made like 10 revisions already | 03:52 |
| Nafallo | tseng: and uploads are cheap, so? :-) | 03:52 |
| tseng|work | fucking up the merge | 03:52 |
| Nafallo | will probably straighten out in the end. | 03:52 |
| tseng|work | sure | 03:53 |
| tseng|work | once it finally works we can go to 1.1.7 | 03:53 |
| tseng|work | 3x beagle indexing speed | 03:54 |
| tseng|work | im very excited | 03:54 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: what changes do you want me to make before building? | 03:54 |
| whiprush | morning everyone | 03:55 |
| Nafallo | whiprush: morning :-) | 03:55 |
| tseng|work | Nafallo, now that I know whats wrong | 03:55 |
| tseng|work | remove --with-tls=pthread at the top of rules | 03:55 |
| tseng|work | and leave the ifeq that sets it per arch | 03:55 |
| tseng|work | and the extra whitespace in the ifeq | 03:56 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: hmm, ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE), $(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE)) | 03:56 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: that whitespace? | 03:56 |
| tseng|work | no, next one | 03:56 |
| tseng|work | one of the lines has a trailing tab | 03:57 |
| Nafallo | there are no whitespace... _ARCH),amd64) | 03:57 |
| Nafallo | ahh | 03:57 |
| Nafallo | endif | 03:57 |
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| tseng_ | cgi-irc is the worst | 04:03 |
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| Nafallo | hehe | 04:04 |
| tseng_ | anyone have a solution for ssh over https? | 04:05 |
| tseng_ | someone mentioned one at udu | 04:05 |
| Mithrandir | tseng_: just ssh on port 443? | 04:05 |
| tseng_ | hm well | 04:06 |
| tseng_ | it has to go through an http proxy | 04:06 |
| tseng_ | you cant go directly out :( | 04:06 |
| tseng_ | but: you can on ftp | 04:06 |
| tseng_ | ill try that port later | 04:07 |
| Nafallo | tseng: wasn't there a package for http-tunneling somewhere in debian... | 04:07 |
| Nafallo | http://htun.runslinux.net/ | 04:09 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 04:09 |
| ogra | tseng_, seems it still fails... | 04:09 |
| tseng_ | hm nice | 04:10 |
| ogra | same place, same eroor | 04:10 |
| thom | tseng_: nstx and ssh over that | 04:10 |
| Nafallo | ogra: it should just return error when failing, right? | 04:13 |
| ogra | yep | 04:13 |
| Nafallo | ogra: built here. | 04:13 |
| ogra | make[9] : *** [../../class/lib/net_1_1_bootstrap/mscorlib.dll] Fehler 1 | 04:13 |
| ogra | (Fehler = Error) | 04:13 |
| ogra | Nafallo, what exactly did you rip out of the rules file ? | 04:14 |
| tseng_ | if it works for Nafallo it should be fine | 04:14 |
| tseng_ | ill upload tonight | 04:14 |
| Nafallo | ogra: the tab after ifeq (... amd64)'s endif and --with-tls=pthread in build-stamp: cli-wrapper | 04:15 |
| ogra | argh... | 04:16 |
| Mithrandir | tseng_: if you have working ping you can abuse that | 04:16 |
| ogra | i missed the last one | 04:16 |
| tseng_ | i think overdoing ping or dns might set something off | 04:16 |
| tseng_ | http might be ignored | 04:16 |
| Nafallo | hmm, is there an easy way to clean up the chroot? ;-) | 04:17 |
| tseng_ | especially if it can do https | 04:17 |
| Mithrandir | tseng_: openvpn can tunnel over http | 04:17 |
| tseng_ | clean how? | 04:17 |
| tseng_ | if i have alot of -dev stuff around i dont want, sometimes ill do: | 04:17 |
| tseng_ | apt-get remove libc6-dev | 04:17 |
| Mithrandir | debfoster is your friend | 04:17 |
| tseng_ | then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to add it back | 04:17 |
| tseng_ | or for minimal just lsb-base libc6-dev | 04:18 |
| tseng_ | but you are really better off using pbuilder for that sort of thing | 04:18 |
| tseng_ | in the long run. | 04:18 |
| bddebian | Hello Mithrandir ;-) | 04:20 |
| Nafallo | I thought I saw something about pbuilder on the wiki :-P | 04:21 |
| Mithrandir | hiya bddebian | 04:22 |
| Nafallo | have I told you how much I love that wiki? ;-) | 04:22 |
| Mithrandir | tseng_: http://sebsauvage.net/punching/, btw. | 04:22 |
| tseng_ | im going to drop the pbuilder doc on there into my ubuntu packaging quickstart | 04:22 |
| Nafallo | tseng: mhm, URL? :-) | 04:23 |
| Nafallo | I clean up with rm -r <chroot> && tar jxf <chroot>.tar.bz2 this time ;-) | 04:24 |
| tseng_ | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/IntroDeveloperDocs?highlight=%28MediumPriority%29%7C%28UduBof%29 | 04:24 |
| tseng_ | just notes | 04:24 |
| tseng_ | yeah having a tar'd up chroot is good | 04:24 |
| Nafallo | ahh, they aren't done yet :-) | 04:24 |
| tseng_ | yeah i am just starting to get over jet lag | 04:26 |
| tseng_ | and beating my head against mono merges | 04:26 |
| Nafallo | *s* | 04:26 |
| tseng_ | when thats all in i can start working on the doc | 04:26 |
| tseng_ | Mithrandir: that looks too easy, ta | 04:27 |
| Nafallo | tseng: I can be your testperson how well the docs work. when I become a MOTU it worked ;-). | 04:28 |
| tseng_ | hah rock on | 04:28 |
| tseng_ | i taught a few people at UDU and they seemed to catch on very well | 04:29 |
| tseng_ | but that was hands-on | 04:29 |
| tseng_ | more fun that way | 04:29 |
| ogra | you taught the edubuntu guys ? | 04:29 |
| tseng_ | ya | 04:29 |
| ogra | yay | 04:29 |
| tseng_ | jeff and colin | 04:29 |
| Nafallo | yea. and they knew programming before I suppose :-)... | 04:29 |
| tseng_ | daniel got them setup with gpg | 04:30 |
| tseng_ | they knew python | 04:30 |
| Nafallo | hmm, oki. | 04:32 |
| Nafallo | well, learning by doing should be my way I belive :-). that's how I got this far into computers ;-). | 04:33 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 04:40 |
| Nafallo | I forgot to rip out my frenchclasses from the playlist :-P | 04:40 |
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| Nafallo | hmm | 04:55 |
| Nafallo | xchat didn't detect my change of ip and interface ;-) | 04:56 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 05:12 |
| Nafallo | anyone experimented with pbuilder from within a chroot? ;-) | 05:12 |
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| thom | Nafallo: why would you bother? | 05:25 |
| Nafallo | thom: keep up2date with debootstrap without having to backport it all the time :-) | 05:26 |
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| tseng|work | better to bootstrap hoary and dist-upgrade | 05:45 |
| tseng|work | its going to stay that way | 05:45 |
| Nafallo | tseng|work: yea, that's what I'm doing now :-) | 05:46 |
| === thom comes to the conclusion he should start throwing mail away | ||
| thom | -Mutt: Mail/ubuntu/users [Msgs:32506 | 05:52 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 05:52 |
| ogra | hmm, so i have some doubled.... | 05:53 |
| ogra | 33915 says evo | 05:53 |
| tseng|work | mm i unsubbed from -users | 05:57 |
| tseng|work | -devel is noisy enough | 05:58 |
| tseng|work | ogra: alot of people cross post or double post | 05:58 |
| tseng|work | i have a duplicate filter | 05:58 |
| ogra | not really | 05:58 |
| ogra | (not relly a lot) | 05:59 |
| tseng|work | well | 05:59 |
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| tseng|work | i get a few mails a week in duplicates | 06:00 |
| ogra | geez, i got a working tomboy | 06:00 |
| tseng|work | rock on dude | 06:00 |
| tseng|work | so you built mono, gnomedb, gtk-sharp ? | 06:00 |
| ogra | tseng|work, http://beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list_beatniksoftware.com/2005-February/000558.html | 06:01 |
| ogra | try this one... except the second part of the patch... | 06:01 |
| Nafallo | I can't get pbuilder to update unauthenticated *scratches head* | 06:02 |
| tseng|work | eh, whats that ogra | 06:02 |
| tseng|work | supposed to force gtk-sharp1? | 06:03 |
| ogra | the source didnt build... looks like PanelApplet is declared as class and as namespace... | 06:03 |
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| ogra | so one of them needed to be changed... | 06:03 |
| tseng|work | oh yeah build time | 06:03 |
| ogra | calling it PanelApplet1 seems a bit odd though | 06:04 |
| tseng|work | im using http://download.dajobe.org/debian/experimental/ | 06:05 |
| tseng|work | * Tomboy/Tray.cs: Apply minimal patch to support building undermono 1.1.x. | 06:07 |
| tseng|work | 0.3.2, new upstream with mono 1.1 fixes | 06:09 |
| tseng|work | ill upload it as soon as libgnomedb is fixed | 06:09 |
| tseng|work | lamont: libgnomedb errors out on buildd, cant install libgda2-3.. could it be that the apt database is out of date? | 06:19 |
| tseng|work | lamont: as I can install that. | 06:19 |
| lamont | tseng|work: no. it's because libgda2-3 is in universe | 06:20 |
| tseng|work | oh, yuck | 06:20 |
| tseng|work | ok. | 06:20 |
| lamont | (promotion has been requested, fwiw) | 06:21 |
| tseng|work | yeah im sure everyone can do just fine without me bothering | 06:22 |
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| tseng|work | ogra: did you get my messages | 06:23 |
| ogra | nope | 06:24 |
| tseng|work | well there is a new upstream with mono 1.1 fixes | 06:24 |
| tseng|work | that i am using | 06:24 |
| ogra | (update-manager tried to upgrade pcmcia ;) | 06:24 |
| tseng|work | lunchtime bbl | 06:24 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 06:24 |
| ogra | now i know why i have the old icon | 06:24 |
| Nafallo | I don't know why, but I had a .pbuilderrc in my homedir. Now I know why things failed for me. | 06:35 |
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| herve | hi | 07:23 |
| Nafallo | hi herve | 07:24 |
| bddebian | Heya Herve | 07:24 |
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| ivoks | hi | 07:38 |
| bddebian | Hello ivoks | 07:39 |
| ivoks | hi | 07:39 |
| ivoks | omg | 07:40 |
| ivoks | 50 spams today | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Light day eh? ;-P | 07:40 |
| ivoks | uhh... | 07:40 |
| ivoks | looks like SA died on server :) | 07:41 |
| ivoks | http://www.grad.hr/amavis-stats/ | 07:41 |
| ivoks | hm... that's too many mails registred as regular :( | 07:41 |
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| ivoks | jesus... what to do :( | 07:48 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: pray ;-) | 07:48 |
| ivoks | lol! i found error :) | 07:48 |
| ivoks | bayes_seen and bayes_toks are rw for root | 07:49 |
| ivoks | but, not readable for amavis user :) | 07:49 |
| ivoks | and spamassassin runs as amavis user :) | 07:49 |
| ivoks | those spamers... worst kind of people... | 07:50 |
| ivoks | i wouldn't kill them... | 07:50 |
| ivoks | i would cut their fingers, one by one... :) | 07:51 |
| Nafallo | baah, they are most often transparent to me :-) | 07:53 |
| Nafallo | most people of that kind is ;-) | 07:53 |
| ivoks | eh | 07:55 |
| tseng|work | ogra: back | 07:58 |
| thom | tseng|work: dude, what's the obsession with power adaptors about? :-) | 07:59 |
| dholbach | thom: good question :-) | 08:00 |
| thom | dholbach: *g* | 08:00 |
| Mithrandir | they're.. sexy? | 08:01 |
| Mithrandir | :P | 08:01 |
| tseng|work | thom: there was some really crack stuff going on with power conversion | 08:02 |
| tseng|work | i had half a mind to take a picture of smufix every day too | 08:03 |
| tseng|work | and post them all sorted by date | 08:03 |
| tseng|work | wouldve been pretty mean, though | 08:04 |
| thom | heh | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | smufix? | 08:05 |
| Amaranth | did he/she look worse everyday or something? | 08:05 |
| tseng|work | er, sortof | 08:05 |
| thom | mostly identical every day... | 08:06 |
| tseng|work | he lost his suitcase and wore the same outfit for at least 2 weeks | 08:06 |
| Amaranth | o_O | 08:06 |
| tseng|work | not for a lack of free tshirts | 08:06 |
| tritium | speaking of t-shirts, are there now MOTU shirts? | 08:08 |
| tseng|work | no | 08:08 |
| tseng|work | you could make some on cafe press | 08:09 |
| tritium | dholbach, that's your brainchild, isn't it? | 08:09 |
| dholbach | herve had the idea as well, ogra too - dunno whose idea it was in the first place | 08:10 |
| tritium | cool | 08:11 |
| dholbach | so if somebody had a design, i would pass it directly to sabdfl :-) | 08:11 |
| ogra | lets just take the simple launchpad t-shirt design... | 08:14 |
| Burgundavia | any idea? I can mock something up quickly | 08:14 |
| dholbach | an ubuntu logo, MOTU in capital letters and "guess who compiled the package you're using?" | 08:15 |
| dholbach | maybe a link to our wiki page :-) | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | how about | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | "We compile your packages" | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | or "Can we compile your package?" | 08:16 |
| ogra | i like "...guess who compiled the package you're using?" | 08:16 |
| === dholbach likes herve's version better, but any other opinions? | ||
| tseng|work | "let us fix your package" | 08:17 |
| tseng|work | it would be pretty funny in the us | 08:17 |
| ogra | and MOTU in this typesetting http://community.webshots.com/photo/338849189/338853480iMyAXJ | 08:17 |
| tritium | since we're talking Universe here, would be cool to work in the phrase "The world is not enough." | 08:18 |
| ogra | a logo anywhere and the text somehow handwritten.... | 08:18 |
| ogra | tritium, on the back ? | 08:18 |
| tseng|work | what does that mean anyway | 08:18 |
| tseng|work | fogo na bamba | 08:18 |
| tritium | ogra, anywhere :) | 08:18 |
| ogra | no idea... | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | the world is not enough on the sleeve? | 08:18 |
| ogra | i just like the typesetting | 08:18 |
| thom | hey, canonical *compiles* the packages ;-) | 08:19 |
| tritium | Burgundavia, cool :) | 08:19 |
| ogra | ok, probably "fixed" then ;) | 08:20 |
| thom | </pedant> | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | then I like tsengs | 08:20 |
| dholbach | thom: the slogan evolved when herve was compiling some package which took 2,5h for the 5th time or something | 08:21 |
| tseng|work | mine is raunchy | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | yours is funny | 08:21 |
| === Burgundavia is from Canada | ||
| tseng|work | yeah, im just guessing ESL people dont get it | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 08:22 |
| Burgundavia | tseng|work, where are you from? | 08:23 |
| dholbach | pennsylvania, iirc :-) | 08:23 |
| tseng|work | yes | 08:24 |
| Burgundavia | an idea http://img197.echo.cx/img197/4254/path28897mt.png | 08:27 |
| ivoks | we fix :) | 08:29 |
| ogra | to much logo for my taste... | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | too much? how so? | 08:29 |
| ogra | but the idea with the planet is nice | 08:30 |
| tritium | Ah, cool, it's a planet. I was thinking it was an electron :) | 08:30 |
| ogra | the logo should just be a small thingie, the MOTU should slap you right in the face, so everybody will ask you about it ;) | 08:31 |
| tritium | yeah, it's deuterium. One proton, two neutrons, and an electron ;) | 08:31 |
| ogra | heh | 08:31 |
| ivoks | i agree with ogra, if i can vote :) | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | http://img213.echo.cx/img213/1849/path28895ls.png | 08:32 |
| ivoks | great one | 08:32 |
| Burgundavia | need to move the planet | 08:33 |
| ivoks | yep | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | and other small tweaks | 08:33 |
| ivoks | but good idea | 08:33 |
| ogra | hmm, yep... | 08:33 |
| tritium | looks good, Burgundavia | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | spacing is off | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | on the letters | 08:34 |
| ogra | the letters could also be thicker... | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 08:34 |
| ogra | but you wont get that with the font... | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | need a different font for that | 08:34 |
| === Burgundavia curses at the default font packages in Ubuntu | ||
| ogra | heh | 08:35 |
| ogra | yep | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | I have a bunch I grabbed from a windows install, but gave up when I read how much config there is | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | why can't I just drop them into a directory? | 08:35 |
| ogra | you can... | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | oh? | 08:35 |
| Burgundavia | how and where? | 08:35 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia ? | 08:35 |
| ogra | as long as you use ttf | 08:36 |
| ivoks | just make links | 08:36 |
| ivoks | and then mkttfdir | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 08:36 |
| ivoks | or ttmkfdir | 08:36 |
| ogra | drop them into fonts:// with nautilus | 08:36 |
| ivoks | something like that... | 08:36 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 08:36 |
| ivoks | or that :) | 08:36 |
| ivoks | nautilus should have something like "copy as root" :) | 08:37 |
| ogra | bah | 08:37 |
| ivoks | but that could be managed with scripts... | 08:37 |
| ogra | filemangers simply shouldnt be used as root | 08:37 |
| ivoks | i agree | 08:37 |
| ivoks | but sometimes i need that pic over there | 08:38 |
| ivoks | and... well... i need xterm | 08:38 |
| dholbach | ok... any opinions on the meeting with the malone guys? something like the 11th? any preferred time? | 08:41 |
| tseng|work | erm | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | should I dump the logo up on the wiki? | 08:41 |
| ogra | dholbach, guys ? there are more ? | 08:41 |
| Burgundavia | and let others hack away? | 08:41 |
| tseng|work | i vote for 6pm est | 08:41 |
| tseng|work | but yeah | 08:42 |
| dholbach | ogra: at least bradb, kiko and bjornt will want to hear us | 08:42 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 08:42 |
| dholbach | tseng|work: please give UTC times :-) | 08:42 |
| tseng|work | dholbach: did they come up for anything with my request? | 08:42 |
| dholbach | your request? | 08:42 |
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| tseng|work | about moving bug tracking off the wiki and into malone | 08:42 |
| tseng|work | linked tasks | 08:43 |
| dholbach | tseng|work: this will be about the 1.0 release (due in 7 weeks) when main will use it as well | 08:43 |
| dholbach | tseng|work: so i fear it won't be the QA solution we all had in mind | 08:44 |
| tseng|work | 7 weeks seems like forever in coding time | 08:44 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:44 |
| dholbach | tseng|work: they aren't | 08:44 |
| ogra | depends | 08:44 |
| === thom gibbers at 7 weeks till malone | ||
| tseng|work | oh well | 08:45 |
| tseng|work | I guess we can keep doing bug tracking on a wiki | 08:45 |
| tseng|work | and let malone fill up with silly stuff | 08:45 |
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| herve | re | 08:56 |
| dholbach | hey herve | 08:56 |
| herve | hi daniel! | 08:56 |
| herve | read about the t-shirts | 08:57 |
| dholbach | yeah! t-shirts! | 08:58 |
| herve | it's still a nice idea but cafe press and other us shops cost a fortune to europeans | 08:58 |
| herve | especially french probably, we have lots of nice custom taxes ;-) | 08:58 |
| ogra | herve, sabdfl will care for the printing | 08:58 |
| herve | Burgundavia, create ~/.fonts, drop yours in there, run fc-cache and you're done | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | herve, ok | 08:59 |
| herve | ha ok, it's that serious | 08:59 |
| herve | I like tseng motu logo | 08:59 |
| herve | i mean the logo I saw, not sure who made it | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | http://img213.echo.cx/img213/1849/path28895ls.png <-- this one? | 09:01 |
| herve | yes | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | mine | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | I am trying to put up the wiki, but it is failing me | 09:02 |
| herve | the motu, ubuntu logo plus universe theme | 09:02 |
| herve | ho sorry then | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | np | 09:03 |
| jabra | so I wanta package a shell script but the docs are only for source is there someplace I should look for docs on build a deb of a shell script | 09:03 |
| herve | I would see a black t-shirt, just the white ubuntu logo with the orbit on the heart | 09:03 |
| herve | and your image in white behind | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 09:04 |
| herve | jabra, it's 99% of the time just about copying the script to its dest dir | 09:04 |
| herve | cp, install, tar, choose your weapon ;-) | 09:04 |
| herve | I know a pretty good t-shirt printer in france if needed | 09:05 |
| dholbach | "choose your poison" :-) | 09:05 |
| herve | dholbach, your thesis gives you suicidal tendencies? ;-) | 09:05 |
| dholbach | not yet :-) | 09:06 |
| jabra | I guess I am unclear about where that would be set. Obviously I know where it should go but when I am building debs I am not sure. I have a tarball already | 09:06 |
| herve | jabra, it's the same package I have reviewed once, | 09:07 |
| herve | ? | 09:07 |
| jabra | no something I am creating | 09:07 |
| jabra | it's a wireless tool | 09:07 |
| === Burgundavia beats head against wall over wiki upload form | ||
| herve | jabra, I don't find what would cause you a problem | 09:08 |
| herve | I think this weekend is *the* weekend | 09:09 |
| herve | where I change my debian server for a hoary one! | 09:09 |
| jabra | ok let me get more information, so I am be more specific | 09:09 |
| herve | Burgundavia, also beating my head against the wall trying to file a bug in bugzilla | 09:12 |
| bddebian | Does it hurt? | 09:12 |
| === Burgundavia loves the bad tools | ||
| dholbach | Unfrgive1: iptraf looks good apart from s/unstable/breezy and it doesnt seem to build in breezy :-) | 09:12 |
| === Burgundavia thinks he going to start using windows, just to have more pain | ||
| herve | dholbach, so not that good! :-) | 09:13 |
| dholbach | Unfrgive1: what did you intend with the putty package? | 09:13 |
| ogra | whats wrong with the putty package ? | 09:14 |
| dholbach | the debdiff just shows an added entry in the changelog | 09:15 |
| jabra | herve: ok so since I don't have a Makefile debuild isn't sure what to do since my package is a shell script | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | if you want the logo idea, just ask me | 09:15 |
| herve | jabra, debuild does what you tell in debian/rules | 09:16 |
| ogra | jabra, sure you have a makefie ;) | 09:16 |
| jabra | no I dont | 09:16 |
| ogra | debian/rules is a makefile | 09:17 |
| jabra | I am wondering if I should make one of if I can get away without it | 09:17 |
| jabra | ok | 09:17 |
| herve | in the absolute you can, it depends on your needs :-) | 09:17 |
| jabra | then I should just add DESTDIR=place for my tool | 09:17 |
| herve | just cp it to the usr/bin of your temporary package hierarch | 09:19 |
| herve | +y | 09:19 |
| herve | if you're using debhelper | 09:19 |
| herve | you probably have left dh_fixperms | 09:19 |
| herve | which is a good thing (TM) | 09:19 |
| jabra | k and same for the manpage | 09:19 |
| herve | hmm | 09:20 |
| herve | you could | 09:20 |
| herve | you could also use debhelper facilities | 09:20 |
| jabra | just wondering if a real Makefile would make this easier cause I could just build one | 09:21 |
| herve | if you have things for it to do, sure | 09:21 |
| jabra | but not sure since it doesn't compile | 09:21 |
| herve | but I don't think so | 09:21 |
| herve | makefiles are not just for compiling | 09:21 |
| jabra | ya | 09:21 |
| herve | they are for automating tasks | 09:21 |
| jabra | k | 09:22 |
| herve | and save time by detecting which tasks are already done | 09:22 |
| jabra | can I just create dir by hand or just I use a dh tool and cp my binary there | 09:22 |
| dholbach | jabra: just as a notice: NEW packages don't belong on MOTUToReview :-)) | 09:24 |
| jabra | o my bad I will remvoe it. | 09:25 |
| jabra | why is that | 09:25 |
| herve | jabra, as you feel it, dehelper is not mandatory | 09:25 |
| herve | but really handy, sure | 09:25 |
| herve | that reminds me I should take a look at cdbs | 09:26 |
| dholbach | jabra: just did it :-) | 09:26 |
| dholbach | ivoks: ping | 09:27 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:27 |
| ivoks | i'm alive | 09:27 |
| ivoks | not sleeping :) | 09:27 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:27 |
| ivoks | you needed me...? | 09:28 |
| dholbach | first thing: in debian/changelog: your entries should never have "unstable" in it | 09:28 |
| ivoks | oh, ok... | 09:28 |
| herve | dch -Dbreezy :-) | 09:28 |
| dholbach | please don't change the maintainer field, unless you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to be the maintainer: i.e. activily maintain it, get all the blame, fix all the bugs, ... :-) | 09:29 |
| bddebian | hehe | 09:29 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:29 |
| herve | start flamewars on debian-devel list, etc. :-) | 09:29 |
| ivoks | well, the problem is... | 09:29 |
| ivoks | guys at debian don't like that | 09:29 |
| ivoks | i had problems with one package and it had debian maintainer | 09:30 |
| herve | but guys at debian don't dictate the ubuntu procedures | 09:30 |
| ivoks | yeah... | 09:30 |
| dholbach | bugs should be filed in malone | 09:30 |
| ivoks | hm... | 09:30 |
| ivoks | maintainer stays :) | 09:30 |
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| dholbach | if you make a change and the version was 1.2.3-1 before, it is 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 afterwards | 09:31 |
| dholbach | (if you don't have a new upstream version) | 09:31 |
| ivoks | ok | 09:31 |
| ogra | and if its not a simple rebuild | 09:32 |
| ivoks | lot of mistakes :) | 09:32 |
| dholbach | if we have a newer upstream version than debian: 1.2.4-0ubuntu1 | 09:32 |
| dholbach | ivoks: don't worry :-) | 09:32 |
| ivoks | i know that... ok -1 is -1ubuntu1, ok | 09:32 |
| dholbach | -1 is a debian version | 09:33 |
| dholbach | -1ubuntu1 is the -1 version with ubuntu-specific changes | 09:33 |
| ivoks | ok | 09:33 |
| jabra | herve: I created the dirs and cp the binary there. so how would I build the deb since debuild gives errors | 09:33 |
| dholbach | why did you change the (build)-depends for quodlibet? | 09:33 |
| ivoks | then if u have package-1.1.1-1woody and package-1.1.1-1ubuntu | 09:33 |
| ogra | or a rebuild ;) elmo asked that we dont tag rebuilds with a ubuntuX version | 09:33 |
| ivoks | dholbach ? | 09:34 |
| ivoks | dholbach libc version I think? | 09:34 |
| herve | jabra, fix the errors :-) | 09:34 |
| jabra | error is no makefile | 09:34 |
| herve | jabra, because you're calling make in your debian/rules? | 09:35 |
| dholbach | ivoks: for quodlibet you enforced newer versions of debhelper, python-gtk2-dev, python-gtk2, libgtk2.0-0 | 09:35 |
| ivoks | dholbach IRC yes | 09:35 |
| jabra | so then I comment that out | 09:35 |
| dholbach | ivoks: why? | 09:35 |
| ivoks | dholbach to make it ubuntu specific package... | 09:35 |
| ivoks | but i realize now that was a mistake | 09:35 |
| herve | dholbach, we asked debhelper 4.1 or something for python 2.4 support | 09:35 |
| dholbach | herve: ah ok, ivoks: you should describe that in debian/changelog ... ok, now i understand | 09:36 |
| ivoks | jesus... so simple package, and so much mistakes :) | 09:36 |
| herve | CountofDijon, ?! | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | joke on #wikipedia | 09:37 |
| ivoks | ok, i'll build new ones and upload them | 09:37 |
| herve | ivoks, first package? that's pretty normal :-) | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | listen to me talk! http://cs.georgefox.edu/~jdodson/videos.php | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | bottom link, linuxfest northwest | 09:38 |
| ivoks | herve if u don't count those created with make-kpkg :)) | 09:38 |
| herve | sure! | 09:39 |
| jabra | herve: I think I got it | 09:41 |
| jabra | herve: but it seems messy the way I did it | 09:41 |
| herve | Burgundavia, you don't feel comfortable :-) | 09:42 |
| herve | jabra, I'll tell you when I'll review it :-) | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | herve, sorry, don't follow | 09:43 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: are you interested in multisync stuff? | 09:44 |
| herve | Burgundavia, it wasn't even you (the first one) | 09:44 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, not really, i have no device to test it | 09:44 |
| jabra | ok cool | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | herve, I didn't make the video, scroll through to the Ubuntu talk | 09:44 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, my ipaq has linux on it, i do nfs there ;) | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: ok; ISTR somebody was, do you by any chance know who? | 09:44 |
| ogra | dholbach, multisync for you ? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | multisync? | 09:45 |
| ogra | dholbach, can you test it ? i cant | 09:45 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: what shall i test? | 09:45 |
| Mithrandir | I was more wondering if you were interested in it, since we might want to get a new version in breezy. | 09:46 |
| herve | Burgundavia, yes, now I am | 09:46 |
| Mithrandir | one with the gnokii support. | 09:46 |
| dholbach | i can't test gnokii - it's about nokia stuff, isnt it? | 09:46 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: you want me to package a newer version? | 09:46 |
| === dholbach isnt sure, if he got the question right | ||
| Mithrandir | dholbach: gnokii is nokia syncing, yes. | 09:47 |
| dholbach | i can't test nokia stuff, sorry | 09:47 |
| Mithrandir | I can test it. | 09:47 |
| Mithrandir | but I don't want to spend time maintaining even more stuff. :) | 09:48 |
| dholbach | i see | 09:48 |
| dholbach | azeem is the multisync man | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | ah, that's who it was. | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | I'll prod him next time I see him around | 09:48 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 09:48 |
| herve | Burgundavia, you behave much better than the others, I just hope your audience was a geeky one! | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | herve, the room was pretty full | 09:49 |
| dholbach | he's in #u-d | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | lots of women and old people | 09:49 |
| herve | talking about the hardware database ;-) | 09:50 |
| ogra | :) | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | I think the hardware database is one of the coolest little pieces of polish I have seen | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | nobody else that I know of has it | 09:51 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 09:51 |
| ogra | but it still has a lot of bugs.... | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | bug, smugs | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | the concept and the idea is what is cool | 09:51 |
| herve | I particulary like the like transition effects on dialog change ;- | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | I think he missed some of my talk | 09:52 |
| === dholbach shouldnt highlight "transition" :-) | ||
| Burgundavia | he also missed about 1/2 hour of question and answer time | 09:52 |
| herve | (ho boy, don't think I'm drunk... well, not that much at least) | 09:52 |
| herve | Burgundavia, he couldn't keep it all | 09:52 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, fedora thought that too, they start their own one now and asked me for hints and help... | 09:52 |
| herve | you already eat like 80% of the video :-) | 09:53 |
| herve | ogra, why not using a common one? | 09:53 |
| ogra | yep | 09:53 |
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| ogra | herve, but that would mean they have to patch their HAL too, so its something we should do after upstream accepts my patches.... | 09:55 |
| ogra | ....which is unlikely because its not that asy to provide a xml spec for the bios data.... it varys a lot | 09:55 |
| ivoks | ok, i hope it's better now :) | 09:56 |
| tseng|work | did you see some other distro ripped off your xscreensaver ogra | 09:56 |
| ogra | http://www.foresightlinux.com/screenshots/index.php?image=xlock.png | 09:56 |
| ogra | this one ? | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | doesn't debian now have it as well? | 09:57 |
| ogra | nope | 09:57 |
| Burgundavia | I have seen it in a few places | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | not just foresight | 09:58 |
| ogra | debian didnt accept it | 09:58 |
| ivoks | :( | 09:58 |
| ogra | they have instead introduced a "new login" button in the old dialog for now... | 09:58 |
| ivoks | i just love ubuntu :) | 09:59 |
| ogra | which unfortunately changed the lock.c code a lot....so my patch would have to be rewritten | 09:59 |
| ogra | (completely) | 10:00 |
| jabra | ok it appears that dh_installman is putting the manpage in the proper place but lintian says no man file for binary? | 10:00 |
| herve | jabra, I guess they wear the same name? | 10:01 |
| jabra | ya | 10:01 |
| jabra | getwifi with no extension | 10:01 |
| jabra | the man has .1 | 10:01 |
| herve | so I guess it's in usr/share/man/man1 ? | 10:03 |
| jabra | ya | 10:04 |
| jabra | thoughts? | 10:08 |
| herve | I'll need the whole package to audit it | 10:09 |
| herve | my connection may cut | 10:09 |
| herve | so see you later in case | 10:09 |
| jabra | aight | 10:09 |
| jabra | sounds good I will put it on the wiki when it is done | 10:09 |
| jabra | probably later today | 10:09 |
| jabra | herve: really appreciate your help | 10:10 |
| ivoks | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTULogo | 10:10 |
| ivoks | guys, this is disaster :) | 10:10 |
| herve | correction: it will cut | 10:10 |
| herve | in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... | 10:10 |
| jabra | umm use screen ? | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | ivoks, I tried to upload a file, but it failed (user stupidity) | 10:11 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:11 |
| ivoks | np | 10:11 |
| Nafallo | I think that page says; MOTU is so good they don't need a logo ;-). | 10:12 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/P3260060.JPG u have my permissone to use this one as a logo :) | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | ivoks, lol | 10:12 |
| ivoks | rule #1 don't ever underestimate power of the sun in the mountains :) | 10:13 |
| dholbach | OUCH | 10:13 |
| dholbach | OUCH OUCH OUCH | 10:13 |
| ivoks | hehe | 10:13 |
| dholbach | this is you? :-) | 10:14 |
| ivoks | yep | 10:14 |
| ivoks | winter before this one... | 10:14 |
| dholbach | that must have hurt | 10:15 |
| Burgundavia | how about this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Corey_Burger.jpg | 10:15 |
| ivoks | lol | 10:16 |
| ivoks | anyone likes blonde girls? | 10:16 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 10:16 |
| ivoks | http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/francuska/dsc02811.jpg :) | 10:16 |
| ivoks | ok | 10:17 |
| ivoks | it isn't porn :) | 10:17 |
| Treenaks | eutelsat? :) | 10:17 |
| ivoks | heh, chairs? | 10:18 |
| Nafallo | in what lang? | 10:19 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: "eutelsat" is a European telecom satellite company, I guess | 10:20 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: http://www.eutelsat.com/home/index.html | 10:20 |
| Nafallo | ahh | 10:20 |
| herve | hmm... seems like I'm back | 10:21 |
| Treenaks | wb then, herve | 10:21 |
| Nafallo | I thought eutelsat was chairs in some strange language ;-) | 10:21 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: that'd just be sick :) | 10:21 |
| herve | I guess it would mean european telecommunication satellite? | 10:21 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:21 |
| Nafallo | Treenaks: that's what I thought ;-) | 10:22 |
| === Nafallo should go to bed early :-/. have to call the vet as early as possible tomorrow :-(. | ||
| ivoks | Nafallo what happend? | 10:23 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: my rabbit jumped down from the sofa at the same time I rushed by. | 10:24 |
| ivoks | oh no | 10:24 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: he landed on the side and now he refuse to use one of his front feets :-/ | 10:24 |
| ivoks | uh... | 10:25 |
| ajmitch_ | morning all | 10:25 |
| herve | morning ajmitch_ | 10:25 |
| ivoks | i hate going to vet... | 10:25 |
| ivoks | morning... | 10:25 |
| Mithrandir | if anybody cares about zope, fixing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279323 (which was 3961 in our bugzilla) should be easy enough. | 10:25 |
| herve | ivoks, where was the photograph taken? | 10:25 |
| Nafallo | I locked him in the cage, that's what I can do for now I think... he tries to bite me when I come to close :-/. | 10:25 |
| ivoks | herve witch one? all in france... | 10:25 |
| ivoks | Nafallo he hates u now :) | 10:26 |
| herve | ivoks, the "eutelsat" one :-) | 10:26 |
| === ajmitch_ looks at zope bug | ||
| ivoks | herve alpe'de'huez, france | 10:26 |
| ivoks | near albertville | 10:26 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: I belive he hates everything right now. | 10:26 |
| herve | Mithrandir, zope 2.6 is *dead* anyway | 10:26 |
| ivoks | herve girls are from croatia, not france :) | 10:26 |
| herve | and if not yet, i'll beat it to death | 10:27 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | herve: ok | 10:27 |
| herve | ivoks, just curious about the location :-) | 10:27 |
| ivoks | herve :) | 10:27 |
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| herve | Mithrandir, we are not concerned by that version, to stay polite :-) | 10:27 |
| Mithrandir | herve: :P | 10:28 |
| herve | ivoks, near where I live, in fact | 10:28 |
| herve | well, near... "near" I mean | 10:28 |
| ivoks | herve and that is...? | 10:28 |
| herve | Grenoble | 10:29 |
| ivoks | ah | 10:29 |
| ivoks | herve tell me something... | 10:29 |
| ivoks | herve i had truble communicating with people in france... why do u refuse to speek english? :) | 10:29 |
| ivoks | herve by "u" i mean french :) | 10:29 |
| herve | your accent may be the problem :-p | 10:30 |
| Nafallo | they are actually smart. when all the rest of the world speaks english, they fixed so that the human kind still has _two_ languages :-). | 10:30 |
| ivoks | herve :) | 10:30 |
| herve | Nafallo, seriously speaking, having a single language may be the worst thing that would happen to mankind | 10:31 |
| ivoks | i agree | 10:31 |
| Nafallo | herve: yea. that's where french come into picture :-). | 10:32 |
| ivoks | ok, i didn't want to start a war :) | 10:32 |
| Nafallo | *s* | 10:32 |
| Nafallo | I like french. that's why I'm learning it ;-) | 10:32 |
| herve | ivoks, don't worry, we change #u-m to a philosophical bar from time to time :-) | 10:33 |
| ivoks | i tried learning german? | 10:33 |
| ivoks | omg... | 10:33 |
| Nafallo | *s* | 10:33 |
| ivoks | s/german?/german/ | 10:34 |
| ivoks | i never learnd english (u can tell by mistakes) | 10:34 |
| ivoks | but german is very very hard... | 10:34 |
| herve | :-) | 10:34 |
| ivoks | i heard from people that croatian is even harder... | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | not to talk about swedish ;-) | 10:35 |
| ivoks | i can imagine... | 10:35 |
| ivoks | Nafallo swedish just sounds hard | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: not for me ;-) | 10:35 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:35 |
| ivoks | i know | 10:35 |
| herve | but pronounciation sounds funny :-) | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: I wouldn't want to try finish though ;-) | 10:36 |
| ivoks | how many declinations has swedish? | 10:36 |
| ivoks | german and english have 3 or 4 | 10:36 |
| ivoks | we have 7 | 10:36 |
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| ivoks | :) | 10:37 |
| ivoks | nominativ, genitiv... etc... | 10:37 |
| herve | that reminds me the latin courses :-) | 10:37 |
| herve | well, | 10:37 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:37 |
| herve | when you say some language is hard or harder than another | 10:38 |
| Nafallo | hmm, dunno really. I think we have 5 or 7. | 10:38 |
| ivoks | http://www.german-grammar.de/grammar/chapter_24/24_3_summary.htm | 10:38 |
| herve | remember two-year old kids manage to learn it :-) | 10:38 |
| ivoks | german has 4 | 10:38 |
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| ivoks | ah... time for bed... | 10:40 |
| ivoks | long day tomorrow :( | 10:40 |
| abelli | my lords .. good night. | 10:40 |
| ivoks | bye all | 10:40 |
| herve | bye | 10:40 |
| abelli | ivoks: ciao | 10:40 |
| ivoks | abelli | 10:40 |
| ivoks | finally someone from a country next to mine :) | 10:41 |
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| ivoks | arrivederci | 10:41 |
| abelli | ivoks: where are you from? | 10:42 |
| ivoks | croatia | 10:42 |
| abelli | ou la la .. croatian girls. | 10:42 |
| ivoks | :)) | 10:42 |
| abelli | ivoks: im ready for an exchange | 10:42 |
| Nafallo | well, I gotta sleep. night all! and if I say "morning" tomorrow, tell me to go call the vet. | 10:42 |
| abelli | haggai: ciao | 10:42 |
| herve | night Nafallo | 10:42 |
| abelli | Nafallo: ok. | 10:42 |
| ivoks | abelli u have few nice ones too :) | 10:42 |
| abelli | Nafallo: sweet dreams. | 10:43 |
| abelli | herve: do you know what burning app is going to be supported eventually? | 10:44 |
| herve | abelli, not a clue | 10:44 |
| abelli | herve: thx anyway. | 10:44 |
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| Burgundavia | abelli, serpentine | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | abelli, with nautilus for the data burning | 10:48 |
| abelli | Burgundavia: thank you very much | 10:49 |
| herve | yet another burning app? :-) | 10:51 |
| Burgundavia | serpentine looks pretty cool | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | drag and drop mp3-->cd burning | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | dead simple interface | 10:53 |
| abelli | Burgundavia: is not very intuitively fast .. but yes its nice | 10:54 |
| abelli | moreover .. i think that implementing some kind of keyboard control in gnome wouldnt be that bad. | 10:54 |
| herve | gnome (gtk) handles keyboard quite bad | 10:55 |
| herve | hit enter in a dialog... hit a dozen times more... then you take the mouse to click ok :-/ | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | where does gnome keep its icons for file types? | 10:57 |
| abelli | aint in in somewhere/pixmaps .. wait | 10:57 |
| herve | /usr/share/icons/<theme>/mimetypes/ | 10:57 |
| herve | er no | 10:58 |
| abelli | hu yeah right. | 10:58 |
| herve | there a dir per size before the end | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | thanks | 10:58 |
| abelli | good night everybodyu | 11:01 |
| herve | night | 11:01 |
| abelli | .. and have a good day to the others .. | 11:01 |
| abelli | ciao | 11:01 |
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| herve | what would you advise me to run a multidomain imap server along with postfix? | 11:06 |
| Mithrandir | dovecot or courier. | 11:08 |
| Burgundavia | can I have opinions? http://img161.echo.cx/img161/6384/filecopydialogtest5yx.png | 11:08 |
| jabra | should man pages be gzipped before being installed? | 11:10 |
| herve | jabra, dh_installman does the right thing :-) | 11:10 |
| jabra | ok | 11:11 |
| herve | Burgundavia, I don't like the arrow, and the size and time info need too much effort to find how to read it | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | herve, they need to be bigger and more centered I think | 11:13 |
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| Burgundavia | the from --> to, needs to be tied together more visually | 11:14 |
| Burgundavia | by being more seperate | 11:14 |
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| herve | Mithrandir, does courier handle multiple domains? | 11:19 |
| Mithrandir | herve: works for me at least. | 11:20 |
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| herve | night all | 11:47 |
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