[12:00] <Drako60> hmm xserver-xorg is not working right on my system
[12:00] <dave_> dcraven: k thanks
[12:00] <fabio_85> ThomasWinwood, do u know about ubuntu development?
[12:00] <anto9us> bijin: everyone that's a valid user of your system that is
[12:00] <threat> dave_, fonts:///  is gnome VFS, you need to put it into an actual filesystem location to access them if that makes sense
[12:00] <bijin> holy crow, anto9us, it's chmodding every single file...!
[12:00] <bijin> wow
[12:00] <bijin> that's like 100 gigs
[12:00] <Drako60> first xserver seems to install ok but once it tries to load it can't detect my keyboard or mouse
[12:01] <threat> talking about gnome VFS, I cant seem to get openoffice and gnome-VFS to work :(
[12:01] <Drako60> and then it hangs and i can't back out of it
[12:01] <bijin> anto9us this won't screw anything up will it?
[12:01] <dave_> threat: okay. I thought it was a symbolic link or something
[12:01] <threat> (as in I cant open a smb://host/share/filename.sxw to open in OO)
[12:01] <Matrice64> hello
[12:01] <threat> dave_, no its a VFS :)
[12:01] <anto9us> bijin: it shouldn't do, no
[12:01] <bijin> okay, thanks.
[12:02] <Drako60> doesn't Xorg come with something similiar to xf86config?
[12:02] <dave_> threat: does it matter what the directory is named?
[12:02] <threat> dave_, not really, just put it under truetype and your set :)
[12:02] <JDigital> Guys, how do I burn things to DVD? My only drive large enough to create the ISO is FAT32, and it won't support GB files!
[12:02] <bijin> anto9us, after every line it says :Read only file system - is that okay?
[12:02] <slept> beartard, thats what I'm talking about - you can't change things anymore
[12:02] <JDigital> by GB I mean 4GB
[12:02] <threat> dave_, /usr/share/fonts/truetype/dave_smells  if you like :)
[12:02] <anto9us> yeah, after thinking about it, it won't work, for that reason
[12:03] <bijin> can I ctrl+c it
[12:03] <anto9us> yes
[12:03] <dave_> threat: okay
[12:03] <sbcl3> anyone know where themes are kept?
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> JDigital: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /path/to/files
[12:03] <bijin> bummer.
[12:03] <bijin> anto9us, any other ideas?
[12:03] <Fator_Dee> JDigital: I burn my dvds that way, works like a charm
[12:03] <beartard> slept, so how would I go about fixing that w/o data loss?  ;-)
[12:03] <dave_> while I'm at it, how can I add an application to the Applications menu?
[12:03] <connor> Fator_Dee: Yeah - it seems to help to start them early.  My kids are 5 and 7 and already able to get some things done on their own.
[12:03] <guislave> can you feel the bloat?
[12:03] <Licker> ok well.. I found the Mounting Options... but it just says.. Mounting /dev/cdrom then says Source: 0% and isnt moving..  :/
[12:04] <anto9us> bijin: try wine again, it will have changed permission on the folder, which is what is important
[12:04] <sarom> if a directory name has a space in it, how do you write the directory's name in the console?
[12:04] <Fator_Dee> JDigital: man growisofs will tell you more, but basically it's like I wrote
[12:04] <sarom> a command line utility could be confused by spaces
[12:04] <hawke_> sarom: enclose it in quotes
[12:04] <threat> can gnome-cups-add and gnome-cups-manager be SUID'd? so I dont have to type in the admin password?
[12:04] <hawke_> sarom: or put a \ before the space
[12:04] <sarom> let me try that
[12:04] <Burgundavia> threat, they were removed for a very good purpose
[12:04] <JDigital> Aha.
[12:04] <dcraven> sarom: or quotes
[12:05] <factorx> what do i need for a bluetooth connection between my mobile and ubuntu?
[12:05] <factorx> bluetooth dongle available, of course :D
[12:06] <JDigital> Fator_Dee: What if I want to make a directory called "foo" on the DVD and have it contain the first 26 files in a directory on my HD named "bar"
[12:06] <threat> Burgundavia, I like that behaviour though :)  I Have a bunch of users that are "computer illiterate" and remembering passwords is the last thing I want them to do atm, the first being getting used to not using Save as to move files arond in a filesystem (stupid MS word teaching them bad habbits)
[12:06] <Licker> eh.. whats the command to totaly erace the HDDs from Linux?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> factorx: gnome-bluetooth
[12:06] <dcraven> factorx: gnome-bluetooth?
[12:07] <threat> Licker, fdisk
[12:07] <Burgundavia> threat, one password is far better than having their boxen rooted
[12:07] <slept> beartard, first you have to  find out what excatly is broken
[12:07] <slept> Licker,  dd
[12:07] <threat> Burgundavia, they boxen wont get rooted since they dont have direct Internet access, they are protected by a Debian box
[12:07] <Licker> isnt there a command you can give in the terminal?
[12:07] <sbcl3> how do i go about getting sound to work?
[12:07] <threat> Licker, fdisk
[12:07] <Burgundavia> threat, and if the debian box gets done?
[12:08] <sbcl3> do i need to install custom drivers?
[12:08] <threat> Burgundavia, then the clients are meaningless
[12:08] <threat> Burgundavia, what are the chances of a Debian box being comprimised?
[12:08] <Fator_Dee> JDigital: can I explain in privmsg?
[12:08] <JDigital> yeah
[12:09] <Burgundavia> threat, as high as any other box
[12:09] <threat> Burgundavia, the only service that will be running is mail and ssh
[12:09] <dcraven> sbcl3: Type alsamixer in a terminal and see if there are muted or 0 volume channels. That works quite a bit of the time.
[12:09] <threat> Burgundavia, I see
[12:09] <Burgundavia> threat, you can reset the suid, but I don't recommend it. The security is worth it
[12:09] <slept> Licker  dd if=/dev/urandom of /dev/hd...
[12:09] <slept> of=/
[12:10] <threat> Licker, or you could try the classic way :)     rm -rf / :P
[12:10] <dcraven> uhh
[12:10] <beartard> guess I'll see what I cand figure out
[12:10] <Licker> I just wanna whipe out RH9 from my pc anyawy possible
[12:10] <Licker> :p
[12:10] <dcraven> Maybe we shouldn't be telling people to do that.
[12:10] <threat> Licker, you can do that in the Ubuntu installation :)
[12:10] <Matrice64> dcraven, lol
[12:10] <Licker> yea but Ubuntu isnt popping up in my BIos
[12:11] <Licker> mabey i copied the image wrong..
[12:11] <threat> Licker, Ubuntu has a very tidy disk management options in it
[12:11] <Licker> o.O
[12:11] <dcraven> This *is* a support channel after all...
[12:11] <threat> disk = disc
[12:11] <Mocker> Yay, extracting
[12:11] <slept> dcraven, to do what
[12:11] <Mocker> Soon,soon I will leave this accursed windows forever
[12:11] <threat> Burgundavia, ok, I will follow your words of wisdom
[12:12] <Licker> well I d-loaded Ububtu on my WIN Machine then burned the ISO.... But it dont pick it up during startup on my linux PC
[12:12] <threat> Burgundavia, anything else you dont reccomend I do? besides SUID?
[12:12] <threat> Mocker, I am already there :)
[12:12] <Burgundavia> threat, most of the settings that are default are default for a good reason
[12:12] <Burgundavia> threat, they did a lot of thinking behind what they did, sudo and all
[12:13] <anto9us> Licker: your bios is set to boot from CD?
[12:13] <threat> Burgundavia, although I am using Ubuntu under different circumstances then what it provides out of the box
[12:13] <threat> Burgundavia, yes I like the sudo idea
[12:13] <Licker> yea it is
[12:13] <Burgundavia> threat, what are you doing with it?
[12:13] <delerium> Hi there! I have just installed the ATI Driver and with 3D is working good. but my screen flicks like hell and X.org doesn't seems to care about my Hsync / Vysnc setting... Any ideas?
[12:13] <holycow> Burgundavia, heh
[12:13] <threat> Burgundavia, I am authenticating to a LDAP box, mounting homedirectories over the network using CIFS :)
[12:13] <guardian653> has anyone here use gmailfs?
[12:14] <holycow> we still have a situtation that is essentially a sudoed administrator account by default
[12:14] <Burgundavia> threat, ahh
[12:14] <holycow> almost always with a wek pass
[12:14] <Burgundavia> threat, that is not overly strange
[12:14] <sbcl3> dcraven: how can i change the volume controls?
[12:14] <holycow> delerium, change your frequency
[12:14] <sbcl3> i'm at that screen and it found a realtek chip\
[12:14] <threat> Burgundavia, I have made a group account on the LDAP box and added all users to it, then with that group account have gone crazzy though /etc/udev/permissions.d and other places,  is that a good idea?
[12:15] <delerium> holycow, in xorg.conf ?
[12:15] <dcraven> sbcl3: arrows in alsamixer, m to mute/unmute.
[12:15] <holycow> delerium, its probably at 60hz right now or whatever ... you need to input the correct horizontal and vertical refresh rates in xorg.conf for your monitor model
[12:15] <delerium> holycow, I did.. and it doesn't change anything...
[12:15] <holycow> then restart x, you may need to manually select the new refresh rate option from the resoultion dialog
[12:15] <sarom> Breaking News: IBM to cut up to 13,000 jobs - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/tech_ibm_restructuring_dc
[12:15] <threat> Burgundavia, (replacing cdrom. floppy, sda with the particular group)
[12:16] <bijin> anto9us, I tried running Wine again but no go.
[12:16] <Burgundavia> threat, I have never run linux client stuff. I am a recovering MCP
[12:16] <bijin> it still seems to be freaking out over the read-only partition.
[12:16] <Burgundavia> I have only done linux server stuff
[12:17] <delerium> holycow, i'll try that.. thanks
[12:17] <anto9us> bijin: what are you trying to do?
[12:17] <threat> Burgundavia, oh, you better get some rest then :)
[12:17] <bijin> I'm trying to install DVD Shrink
[12:17] <MindSpore> how do i install all the dependencies of a .deb package with dpkg?
[12:17] <sbcl3> dcraven: i've turned them all on, and then i've put them up as far as they'll go
[12:17] <sbcl3> and my still hear nothing from my cd
[12:17] <bijin> anto9us, Wine config is exiting with an error...
[12:17] <threat> Burgundavia, thank you for your insight BTW :) I am gone!  bye
[12:18] <anto9us> bijin: there are native linux alternatives to that I think
[12:18] <bijin> oh good
[12:19] <Drako60> ugh
[12:19] <anto9us> bijin: type search dvd in synaptic
[12:19] <Drako60> i can't get xserver to configure properly, it can't detect my mouse and it says failed to initialize core devices
[12:20] <Mocker> Ok this is perhaps the most noobish question ever, but how exactly does one go about installin ubantu?(I've never installed a linux distro before ye see) is there any guide on the website I missed?
[12:20] <bijin> thanks anto9us, I found dvdrip, for one
[12:21] <sarom> Mocker, just make sure you backup your important files in Windows
[12:21] <sarom> I've seen a lot of newbies reformat their computers
[12:21] <anto9us> bijin: you may find it's a process that takes several steps/applications
[12:21] <something_else> ok, this is wierd. Been using ubuntu for the last couple of months, no problem. Today I log in, and I get this message "Could not look up internet address for xxxx. This will prevent gnome from operating correctling, it may be possible to correct the problem by adding xxxx to fiile /etc/hosts
[12:21] <holycow> sarom me too
[12:21] <something_else> so i did this
[12:21] <dcraven> Mocker: Yes, backup. Do you have a spare partition?
[12:21] <something_else> ssame message
[12:21] <sarom> holy cow!
[12:21] <neighborlee> Mocker, you just download the ISO ..burn it and boot from it...when you install you have optoin to 'take over' an entire harddrive and its all automatic ( make SURE you choose the right harddrive) OR you can setup your own partitions ( harder way)....
[12:21] <bijin> that's okay anto9us, not a problem
[12:22] <sarom> lol
[12:22] <Drako60> anyone have any idea why xserver won't configure?
[12:22] <Mocker> k
[12:22] <holycow> Mocker, if i were you, i wouldn't even do that
[12:22] <neighborlee> Mocker, ubuntu is working on making the parrtition part easier ( like mandrake)
[12:22] <holycow> their ideas are great but...
[12:22] <something_else> Now, something to do with /etc/hosts doesnt seem to be an issue. Cannot connect to the internet, even though I was able to previously
[12:22] <holycow> i say get a second hard drive
[12:22] <torn> i need some help here
[12:22] <something_else> ndiswrapper or not
[12:23] <holycow> maybe get removable hd trays, or if your system can boot from usb, get a second hd and a usb case thing
[12:23] <ChrisH_> ok folks, I need some major help
[12:23] <something_else> the odd thing is. I havent changed anything to cause this
[12:23] <neighborlee> Mocker, yes dual booting is not reccommended at least IMO...use a different harddrive for linux...
[12:23] <holycow> install linux on separate hds, that way you are certain of being safe
[12:23] <ChrisH_> my PS/2 mouse does not work
[12:23] <torn> i have a wireless card but cant get it to configure it
[12:23] <sarom> nothing wrong with dual boot on same hard disk
[12:23] <ChrisH_> anything I try to make it work is failing
[12:23] <neighborlee> Mocker, they are fairly cheap nowadays ;-))
[12:23] <sebischn> hi
[12:23] <ChrisH_> clean install of kubuntu, first boot and nothing
[12:24] <dcraven> You discourage dual booting? May I ask why?
[12:24] <Drako60> yes i'm having the same trouble ChrisH_
[12:24] <bijin> anto9us, how do I know the device location of my DVD burner?
[12:24] <ChrisH_> I throw myself upon your combined wisdom
[12:24] <ChrisH_> Drako60: so I'm not the only one at least :)
[12:25] <Drako60> except i'm not using kunbuntu
[12:25] <Drako60> but this i don't think has to do with kde or gnome
[12:25] <ChrisH_> Drako60: you having any luck yet? I've had to resont to using 'mousekeys'
[12:25] <MindSpore> can someone help me with why i get these errors when trying to get gstreamer codecs.... http://www.pastebin.com/279724
[12:25] <Mocker> I have a second hardrive already so I guess that's all good
[12:25] <dcraven> Drako60: Is your mouse ps2 as well?
[12:26] <ChrisH_> right now I'm using my gf's laptop because it's so cumbersome to do anything on my machine
[12:26] <Drako60> i know debian detected my mouse on serio0 but never got to see if it worked
[12:26] <Drako60> dcraven: yes
[12:26] <sebischn> I've installed ubuntu and I really like it. But I can't change the Hz of some of the resulutions.  If I choose 640x480 up to 1024x1028 , I'm able to choose a Monitor Frequency from 60hz to 75hz, but mit any higher Resulution I'm only able to change the Frequency (Hz) to 60hz. Is there any way to do this anyway ?
[12:26] <ChrisH_> my mouse can work as USB too, but I tried a clean install and it didn't work then either
[12:26] <Drako60> dcraven: and i'm currently stuck in terminal because xserver won't load
[12:26] <xMaximex_> I try to watch a DVD with totem but he talk about plugin to read dvd ... what i dot ?
[12:26] <xMaximex_> s/dot/do
[12:27] <dcraven> ChrisH_, Drako60, what does the command "grep psaux /etc/X11/xorg.conf" output?
[12:27] <dcraven> Drako60: You broke your xserver or did it never work?
[12:27] <holycow> anyone know if latest java vm has been packaged as a deb?
[12:27] <ChrisH_> dcraven :  Section "InputDevice"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
[12:27] <holycow> i'm not installing it manually like the help files suggest
[12:27] <Drako60> option "device" "psaux"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Driver "mouse"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Option "CorePointer"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
[12:27] <ChrisH_> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[12:28] <ChrisH_> I've also tried Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
[12:28] <ChrisH_> and it didn't work either
[12:28] <dcraven> ChrisH_: I don't think that was the output... Don't paste that stuff in here please.
[12:28] <holycow> oh nm
[12:28] <holycow> appearently it is packaged
[12:28] <holycow> :)
[12:28] <dave_> is there a way to customize the standard Gnome Applications menu? I want to add something.
[12:28] <ChrisH_> dcraven: ?
[12:28] <dcraven> ChrisH_: Hmm.. Well I think /dev/input/mice is for USB.
[12:29] <Burgundavia> dave_, you have to download a menu editor
[12:29] <dcraven> ChrisH_: Don't flood the channel with multiline pastes is all I'm saying.
[12:29] <cyberix> Does Ubuntu have some sort of secure login, similar to pressing ctrl + alt + del before login to a Windows system?
[12:29] <Drako60> dcraven: option "device" "psaux" is my output of grep
[12:29] <Burgundavia> dave_, see the forums, under 3rd party stuff
[12:29] <ChrisH_> dcraven: ah, it's plugged in USB now,
[12:29] <Burgundavia> cyberix, it is secure by default
[12:29] <dave_> Burgundavia: thanks I'll check them out.
[12:29] <Burgundavia> cyberix, and ctrl-alt-del can be spoofed
[12:29] <dcraven> ChrisH_: Is it USB or PS2?
[12:30] <ChrisH_> dcraven: when I had it as PS/2 it was /dev/psaux
[12:30] <dcraven> ChrisH_: Your mouse. PS/2 or USB?
[12:30] <anto9us> bijin: I don't know
[12:30] <bijin> that's okay, thanks
[12:30] <ChrisH_> usb with a PS/2 adaptor
[12:30] <ChrisH_> tried it as both, no luck, tried installing with it as both, still no luck
[12:31] <Drako60> PreInt failed for input device "Generic Mouse" no core pointer
[12:31] <ChrisH_> dcraven: it's a USB mouse, which came with a PS/2 adaptor that I'm using
[12:31] <anto9us> bijin: you could try /dev/cdrom0
[12:31] <bijin> okay, thanks
[12:31] <anto9us> bijin: sorry /dev/cdrom
[12:31] <dcraven> ChrisH_: You would rather use USB though? If so, yank that adapter :)
[12:32] <claint> what would cause an ubuntu system to not get the updates and upgrade?
[12:32] <ChrisH_> dcraven: I just want to work!
[12:32] <dcraven> Drako60: Please paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to www.pastebin.com.
[12:32] <Drako60> dcraven: how do i copy from nano in terminal?
[12:32] <ChrisH_> dcraven: I've tried another USB mouse with it and that didn't work either
[12:32] <dcraven> heh
[12:33] <xMaximex_> I try to watch a DVD with totem but he talk about plugin to read dvd ... what i do ?
[12:33] <Drako60> dcraven: my thoughts exactly
[12:33] <dcraven> ChrisH_: try a different USB port.
[12:33] <cyberix> Burgundavia: If I login and run a gdm-loginscreen look-a-like keylogger. How is Ubuntu secure, when another user types in his password in it?
[12:33] <toresbe> cyberix: you can type ctrl-alt-bksp
[12:34] <Drako60> i'm stuck not using X because xserver won't load
[12:34] <cyberix> toresbe: The keylogger can simulate this.
[12:34] <cikilin> hello
[12:34] <toresbe> cyberix: this will restart the X server
[12:34] <toresbe> cyberix: so, it can't.
[12:34] <cikilin> have some questions!
[12:34] <toresbe> cikilin: ask!
[12:34] <Drako60> and i can't reboot right now or i get stuck in it saying me to configure X
[12:34] <cyberix> toresbe: X doesn't allow capturing that combination?
[12:34] <cikilin> why from knnopix live cd mozila works better(faster)?
[12:35] <cikilin> and my hoary mozilla is very very slow?
[12:35] <cikilin> x-chat same ?
[12:35] <mdke> hi there. i've been using gnome-terminal for a while, but its really too slow on my system. What is the best fast terminal, which supports TABS? thanks
[12:35] <dcraven> Drako60: Does "dmesg | grep -i input" output anything useful?
[12:36] <cikilin> toresbe?
[12:36] <GfT> Hello
[12:36] <cyberix> toresbe: I understood Windows reserves ctrl + alt + del, so no application can cut in the middle. Windows 2k also encourages to do so by not showing the login until ctrl + alt + del has been pressed.
[12:36] <claint> mdke: the fastest would be probably to use a terminal without tabs and use something like screen or something
[12:37] <something_else> nevermind, sorted it
[12:37] <Drako60> dcraven: yeah it says it detects my keyboard only
[12:37] <toresbe> cyberix: sorry, back
[12:37] <MindSpore> how can i fix all the dependency errors when trying to do: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[12:37] <toresbe> cikilin: Don't konw
[12:37] <dcraven> Drako60: So there is not relevent mouse output, eh.. Hmm.
[12:37] <mdke> claint, how does that work?
[12:37] <toresbe> cyberix: Well....
[12:37] <toresbe> cyberix: It could remap the KB
[12:38] <cyberix> toresbe: It could?
[12:38] <Drako60> hmmm
[12:38] <cikilin> do i need special settings for europe'country?
[12:38] <toresbe> cyberix: yeah
[12:38] <toresbe> cyberix: Hmm..
[12:38] <toresbe> cyberix: I honestly don't see a completely safe way
[12:38] <ChrisH_> dcraven: ok, I've now tried 2 different mice in ALL my USB ports, and none of them work
[12:39] <cyberix> toresbe: There is always hw-keyloggers.
[12:39] <ChrisH_> dcraven: although the LED on one did come one briefly before going off again
[12:39] <toresbe> cyberix: well, of course
[12:39] <claint> hw-keyloggers?
[12:39] <cyberix> toresbe: But any act to help with the problem is good.
[12:39] <toresbe> claint: yeah, little things that fit on the back of the machine
[12:39] <cyberix> toresbe: So this should be discussed somewhere
[12:39] <toresbe> cyberix: I'm asking in #ubuntu-devel
[12:39] <claint> cool
[12:40] <toresbe> cyberix: feel free to join
[12:40] <handsomerob> i have an easy question i compiled some stuff but it won't let me delete somethings becuase i'm not root but i'm the only one on the computer how can i delete stuff as root?
[12:40] <mdke> claint, would you explain a bit more about the idea of using several terminals with screen? also, what terminal would you recommend
[12:40] <Drako60> i shall return
[12:40] <cyberix> claint: http://www.keyghost.com/
[12:41] <claint> mdke: screen doesnt give you several terminals, it gives you several screens ina terminal
[12:41] <claint> mdke: so it works the other way around.
[12:41] <claint> mdke: we used to use it back in the days of dumb vt100 clones.
[12:42] <mdke> claint, and you say it is faster than running a single tabbed terminal?
[12:42] <mdke> claint, any difference in usability
[12:42] <mdke> ?
[12:42] <claint> define fast: what's your machine?
[12:42] <mdke> claint, its a p3 700 with plenty of ram
[12:42] <mdke> claint, running gnome
[12:42] <claint> mdke: so why is gnome-terminal a problem?
[12:43] <mdke> claint, it is just a bit slow to open, and open new tabs
[12:43] <claint> hmm
[12:43] <Bicchi> is there a command that will actually update the linux kernel just like apt-get does with software.
[12:43] <claint> mdke: i don't know if it is going to be faster. better try it for yourself i guess.
[12:43] <Urban-Fox> where does Ubuntu download it's binaries to?
[12:44] <GfT> problem with 3Com 3c556B
[12:44] <mdke> claint, what terminal would you recommend trying?
[12:44] <erpel> Bicchi normally the kernel is updated via apt-get upgrade like other software
[12:44] <claint> Bicchi : apt-get updates your linux kernel as well.
[12:44] <Licker> I found the problem... It wasnt that my CDrom wasnt mounted.. it was that i burnt it to a RW and my cdrom couldnt see it.. so I just had to switch cdrom drives. :p
[12:44] <claint> mdke: if you want real low end memory stuff. i guess aterm is nice, it is real low on memory and can do transparent backgrounds.
[12:44] <Bicchi> but i noticed that i have 2.6.10-5 and new versions are out. www.kernel.org ?
[12:45] <mdke> Bicchi, you should also be aware that with Ubuntu, versions are not updated within a system. Therefore if you use Hoary, you will not get new versions of software, only security upgrades
[12:45] <] BreliC[> Bicchi, and there's not reason to update the kernel unless there is something specific in a newer release that you want
[12:46] <] BreliC[> unless you're a programmer/tester/developer
[12:46] <mdke> Bicchi, the Ubuntu 2.6.10 kernel has been tested extensively, whereas if they continued upgrading throughout a system, it would cause instability and you would not be able to rely on your Ubuntu system
[12:46] <claint> Bicchi: read more. there is a difference between getting a kernel 'package' with apt-get and getting the kernel sources yourself. there is also a difference in running a precompiled kernel and compiling your kernel yourself.
[12:46] <mdke> claint, k will try it
[12:46] <Bicchi> thank you all.
[12:47] <claint> mdke: i use aterm on my low end gentoo laptop , p2 233, with 64 megs ram.
[12:47] <mdke> Bicchi, :) don't forget: newer is not always better
[12:47] <claint> mdke: but then, i am not running gnome on it either.
[12:47] <mdke> claint, i'll let you into a little secret... this system is also gentoo
[12:47] <mdke> claint, but i guess gnome takes up most of its resources... its pretty old and battered
[12:48] <romeoserria> what is the command in the shell to get the setserial program?
[12:48] <claint> mdke: you could go a low end window system as well. gnome actually isnt old, the new versions are not bad.
[12:48] <connor> claint: So where do I get sources for my running kernel?  They're not in apt.
[12:48] <mdke> connor, they should be there
[12:48] <claint> connor: hmmm. should be.
[12:48] <mdke> claint, what do you mean?
[12:49] <mdke> oh i c
[12:49] <mdke> claint, i meant that my system is pretty old and battered, sorry, my bad
[12:49] <claint> mdke: i mean p3 isnt bad, but you could try a window manager like fluxbox or blackboxm they are the low end on memory.
[12:49] <] BreliC[> mdke, you could try xfce4 or something like that
[12:49] <dcraven> romeoserria: sudo apt-get install setserial?
[12:49] <] BreliC[> it's an alternative windowing manager
[12:49] <mdke> claint, yeah i might. i like gnome but it isn't wholly necessary
[12:50] <connor> claint, mdke: Maybe I don't have the right repository loaded?  I'm only seeing 2.4.x kernel sources in the repository.
[12:50] <romeoserria> cravend looks good to me, i'll try it in just a second, thanks
[12:50] <claint> anyway, i gotta go to sleep, laters.
[12:50] <mdke> connor, can't remember offhand what repository its in
[12:50] <mdke> connor, if you hang on, i'll look
[12:50] <claint> connor : hope you get the help.
[12:50] <connor> mdke: thanks
[12:51] <mdke> connor, its in main
[12:51] <mdke> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-source&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[12:51] <Marble2> how can I run a command without putting the output to my terminal and without killing the process if I close my terminal
[12:51] <mdke> Marble2, run it with & after it
[12:52] <Marble2> ty
[12:52] <mdke> np
[12:52] <connor> mdke: thanks
[12:53] <romeoserria> ok, one more question, where is the conf file for apt-get?
[12:53] <mdke> romeoserria, what do you want to do with it?
[12:54] <hyphenated> romeoserria: /etc/apt/*
[12:54] <Licker> im trying to partition my disk manually so i got room to test other OSs etc. is ther anyone here that can help meh?
[12:54] <mdke> Licker, shoot
[12:54] <Drako60> dcraven: ok this is not working still only have keyboard and i switched the keyboard and mouse ps/2 ports and tried another mouse both of which i know work
[12:54] <romeoserria> i'm having trouble with my mouse, can't use the gui, so i'm trying to get the setserial program so i can try to configure the serial port.
[12:55] <Licker> well its a 40gb hdd I want to make 20GB just for ubuntu and 20 for another program. how would I do this..
[12:55] <mdke> romeoserria, sudo apt-get install setserial?
[12:55] <mdke> Licker, use a partition manager
[12:55] <romeoserria> tried that, can't find it
[12:55] <mdke> romeoserria, its there
[12:56] <connor> mdke: Doh! Dont have the deb-src lines in my sources.list.  Sorry for the bother.
[12:56] <romeoserria> E: Couldn't find package setserial
[12:56] <Olsen> how can i desactivate the clock sync when ubuntu starts, or how can i configure the timezone/clock or something?
[12:56] <Drako60> mdke: do you have universal because i can find it with apt-cache search setserial
[12:56] <Licker> yea im in the ububtu partition manager
[12:56] <Drako60> mdke: sorry
[12:56] <mdke> romeoserria, its in the main archive
[12:56] <mdke> romeoserria, have you tampered with the your archives?
[12:56] <mdke> Serriaromeo, ^^
[12:56] <Serriaromeo> i have just installed it
[12:57] <Serriaromeo> have not changed anything yet.
[12:57] <mdke> Serriaromeo, ahh
[12:57] <mdke> Serriaromeo, you have warty?
[12:57] <mdke> no even that wouldn't explain it
[12:57] <Serriaromeo> i think so, that's what's on the website correct?  5.04 or something like that.
[12:57] <Drako60> ok i need some help dmesg | grep -i input shows my keyboard on isa0060/serio0 but it will not show my mouse and i'm now using the keyboard on the port i was trying to get the mouse to work on
[12:58] <mdke> warty = 4.10, hoary = 5.04
[12:58] <Licker> whats bootable flag mean
[12:58] <Fahim> hi leute
[12:58] <mdke> Serriaromeo, but it isn't important: both have that package in their main repositories
[12:58] <Drako60> means its bootable by the OS/BIOS
[12:58] <mdke> Serriaromeo, something has gone wrong with the install
[12:58] <user____> alguien habla espaol?
[12:58] <mdke> user____, #ubuntu-es
[12:59] <Fahim> does anybody know a german unbuntu help chan??
[12:59] <user____> tenk mdke
[12:59] <mdke> Serriaromeo, go to http://pastebin.ca and paste in the result of this command: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:59] <mdke> Fahim, #ubuntu-de
[12:59] <Drako60> does anyone know of a amd64 ubuntu channel
[12:59] <mdke> goddammit
[12:59] <neighborlee> lol
[12:59] <mdke> /cs list *ubuntu*
[12:59] <Fahim> thx @ mdke
[01:00] <Drako60> anyway my question really doesn't have to deal with that
[01:00] <mdke> :)
[01:00] <Drako60> but thank you
[01:00] <mdke> Serriaromeo, then tell us the address of your paste
[01:00] <karljp> is there anything like the restricted formats page on how to get wmv working when embedded on a page in firefox?
[01:00] <karljp> I can play wmv's with mplayer standalone
[01:01] <mdke> karljp, you can try using mozplugger
[01:01] <Drako60> i just really need to know why my mouse is not being detected at all
[01:01] <mdke> karljp, that will permit you to run programs inside firefox, such as mplayer
[01:01] <karljp> you can try == actually works and will be reliable?
[01:01] <mdke> karljp, there is also an mplayer-mozilla package i think
[01:01] <Serriaromeo> look like they are all commented out
[01:01] <mdke> karljp, it works yeah, but I personally am not that happy with it
[01:01] <mdke> Serriaromeo, then tell us the address of your paste
[01:02] <karljp> not happy with it for what reasons?
[01:02] <darkmark> Hi all, I have a problem with snd-usb-audio on Hoary, how do I gather enough information to file a bug on it?
[01:02] <mdke> karljp, no play/pause button ;) i also find that it doesn't handle streams well on low bandwidth
[01:02] <] BreliC[> karljp, it crashes my firefox a lot too
[01:03] <karljp> so basically, it's crap.
[01:03] <] BreliC[> karljp, well, it's not crap, just not great
[01:03] <mdke> ++
[01:04] <mdke> karljp, streaming is quite difficult to get working really nicely in my experience
[01:04] <ChrisH_> Drako60: still having problems?
[01:04] <sbcl3> w00t! i've got sound!
[01:04] <darkmark> if i boot ubuntu with the usb audio hardware plugged in, the system is almost unusable, but if i manually modprobe snd-usb-audio before plugging in the usb audio everything is fine
[01:04] <darkmark> any ideas anyone?
[01:04] <mdke> darkmark, sounds like enough information. once you've filed the bug, they'll let you know
[01:05] <] BreliC[> karljp, if it's that important to you, you can use those other ones if you'd like
[01:05] <Drako60> ChrisH_: yes the system doesn't even see the mouse
[01:05] <mdke> karljp, or make linux better in that regard! :)
[01:05] <Serriaromeo> just a question?  how do i cut and paste the info from one pc to another? and don't have a working mouse on one?
[01:05] <darkmark> thx mdke
[01:05] <mdke> karljp, if you find some good documentation i'm sure you can get it working nicely, if you succeed, pass on the information by writing a guide and you'll be very popular :DD
[01:06] <mdke> Serriaromeo, still with us?
[01:06] <Drako60> grrr i'm lost
[01:06] <Serriaromeo> i uncommented the all the lines for the repository's, and i am currently doing a apt-get update, will try the install setserial again when it's done
[01:06] <karljp> isn't linux fun.  you install it because you need/want some aspect of it, and then you spend the rest of your life wrestling with all the other little details that you never considered, and writing wikis with every minute of your spare time
[01:06] <mdke> Serriaromeo, ooh dangerous.
[01:07] <mdke> Serriaromeo, how come you didn't show us?
[01:07] <ThomasWinwood> karljp: That's the fun of it. :D
[01:07] <mdke> karljp, ah stop whinging
[01:07] <sbcl3> karljp: awesome description
[01:07] <karljp> I want fun + ctional
[01:07] <Serriaromeo> i don't know how to copy the stuff up there, don't have a mouse working on teh linux box, and i'm on a completly different machine
[01:07] <] BreliC[> karljp, i was reminded today why i don't use windows anymore.  at work, they set me up with a windows station, and the network tech spent ten or fifteen minutes telling me how to install the antivirus, update the anitvirus, register it, install the anti-spyware and anti-adware, etc... what a pain in the a$$
[01:07] <mdke> oh i c
[01:07] <mdke> Serriaromeo, ok well fingers crossed
[01:07] <ThomasWinwood> Then <advocacy>YOU TOO CAN HELP!</advocacy>
[01:08] <karljp> brelic: that's your employer, not windows.
[01:08] <karljp> please don't go blurring that line
[01:08] <mdke> enough of this
[01:08] <Serriaromeo> well it's a junk pc anyway, so if it doesnt work, format/reinstall,  following microsoft's repair method  :-)
[01:08] <mdke> lets get people's systems working
[01:08] <ChrisH_> Drako60: having tried 2 different working mice, I'm pretty lost too
[01:08] <sbcl3> windows is less a pain in the ass then linux for total beginners i think
[01:08] <mdke> Serriaromeo, everything is fixable
[01:08] <] BreliC[> karljp, no, they are forced to do that because of the windows vulnerabilities
[01:08] <connor> This is ridiculous.  Could some kind soul tell me what line I have to have in my sources.list to find the 2.6.10 AMD64 kernel sources?
[01:09] <dcraven> sbcl3: I should certainly hope so!
[01:09] <Burgundavia> connor, you shouldn't
[01:09] <Burgundavia> connor, can I see your sources.list?
[01:09] <mdke> connor, its all the same
[01:09] <karljp> ahh, the mystical vulnerability free linux.
[01:09] <] BreliC[> karljp, no, i didn't say that either
[01:09] <mdke> connor, linux-sources is ALL archs
[01:09] <mdke> i hope
[01:09] <Drako60> ChrisH_: what does dmesg | grep -i input give you?
[01:09] <] BreliC[> karljp, though i wonder why you're trolling here if you're not interested in using linux
[01:09] <ThomasWinwood> sbcl3: Windows is more idiot-friendly because they design it that way. Linux was designed by hackers, and thusly expects its users to have an IQ and outlook comparable to the hackers.
[01:09] <connor> mdke: Doesn't appear to be.
[01:09] <mdke> connor, hoary (devel): Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches
[01:09] <mdke> 2.6.10-34: all
[01:10] <mdke> all = all archs
[01:10] <sbcl3> what is the code for mounting a fat32 partition again?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> mdke, connnor they all point to the same place, apt sorts our where it needs to go from there
[01:10] <karljp> mount -t vfat
[01:10] <hutch> ne body wanna help out an ubuntu noob?
[01:10] <ThomasWinwood> hutch: That's why we're here, ask away.
[01:10] <ChrisH_> Drako60: dmesg throws back lots of timeout errors for my usb ports
[01:10] <mdke> Burgundavia, surely there is only one version of the linux sources
[01:10] <mdke> works on all
[01:10] <hutch> i just switched from M$ Windows to Ubuntu and jw if somebody could help
[01:10] <Burgundavia> mdke, source work on all
[01:10] <Burgundavia> mdke, unless they don't
[01:10] <Drako60> ChrisH_: what about when its connected to the PS/2 port?
[01:10] <Olsen> what theme/style is using metacity on this shot?  http://img180.exs.cx/img180/7445/zrzutekranu1po.png
[01:10] <mdke> Burgundavia, ok, that's what he's looking for
[01:10] <Burgundavia> ala mono on amd64
[01:11] <karljp> mdke: sort of, but some things won't play well with customizations made by others.
[01:11] <Serriaromeo> cool, it's working now, downloading setserial now
[01:11] <ThomasWinwood> hutch: Unfortunately we are not yet telepathic. What do you need help with?
[01:11] <fsapo> hutch, http://ubuntuguide.org thats a good starting point :P
[01:11] <Burgundavia> does he have deb-src in his sources.list?
[01:11] <mdke> yes
[01:11] <mdke> connor, you got linux-source-2.6.10?
[01:11] <ChrisH_> Drako60: I've given up on the ps/2 port for the moment, getting it working on the USB port would be a good start
[01:11] <amonkey> are there any (good) wysiwyg html editors for linux? dreamweaver-esque?
[01:12] <mdke> there are some, but i've heard they are not that good
[01:12] <hutch> hey...linux noob here
[01:12] <poningru> question guys how can I connect to the internet through a win computer?
[01:12] <dcraven> Please don't compare Linux and Windows. They are two completely different animals, from two completely different philosophies, with two completely different development models. Nobody (in most circles) wants one to become the other. Pick one, or use both, just don't compare.
[01:12] <mdke> amonkey, bluefish, nvu
[01:12] <Drako60> ChrisH_: i was curious because the only thing dmesg says for input is the keyboard, doesn't even show i have a mouse and i've tried two as well
[01:13] <hutch> how can i map a college network drive on my ubuntu computer
[01:13] <hutch> ?
[01:13] <Drako60> ChrisH_: are you running i386 or x86_64?
[01:13] <hutch> ik how to do it in M$, but not in linux yet
[01:13] <karljp> hutch: walk down and ask the guy who's sharing it to help
[01:13] <connor> mdke: augh.  Yes.  For some reason I have kernel-source for 2.4.27 but, yes, I finally found linux-source for 2.6.10.  Wonder why they put it under a different name?  Thanks for your patience.
[01:13] <mdke> np
[01:13] <hutch> i386
[01:13] <sbcl3> does ubuntu come with the wine emulator?
[01:13] <ChrisH_> Drako60: x86
[01:13] <anto9us> hutch, you need samba installed for starters
[01:14] <Drako60> ChrisH_: nforce?
[01:14] <hutch> yea
[01:14] <mdke> sbcl3, you can search for packages at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:14] <hutch> amd 3200+ barton
[01:14] <poningru> anyone?
[01:14] <hutch> nforce mobo
[01:14] <ChrisH_> Drako60: ok dmesg output was ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse in isa0060/serio1
[01:14] <Drako60> ChrisH_: well your better off then i am
[01:14] <mdke> poningru, are you sharing the internet connection on a windows computer, and you want to know how to get access?
[01:15] <ChrisH_> Drako60: not much better really
[01:15] <Drako60> ChrisH_: atleast yours shows up
[01:15] <anto9us> poningru: yes, I'm sure it's possible you need to enable internet sharing on the windows machine and set the linux box to use it as its gateway
[01:15] <hutch> anto9us: ik that, but its kinda wierd to go up and ask him "hey...u running 2003 or 2000 on ur server"
[01:15] <poningru> hmm
[01:16] <hutch> anto9us: i've tried to look online...but really to no avail
[01:16] <anto9us> hutch, do you know the name of the domain or workgroup?
[01:16] <sebischn> hello, can someone please tell me how I can change my computers gateway via ifconfig
[01:16] <anto9us> hutch: you could just try and join it
[01:17] <mdke> sebischn, you don't i believe. You do it in /etc/network/interfaces, or using the GUI in gnome system administration
[01:17] <hutch> anto9us: i mapped it when i had M$ usin a cmd prompt and "net use M: \\thor.heidelberg.edu" if that helps
[01:18] <hutch> anto9us: and just used my login for the network (along with my pw)
[01:18] <anto9us> hutch: that machine may already be part of the domain, a trusted machine
[01:18] <sebischn> thank you mdke :)
[01:18] <Drako60> ChrisH_: well you could try the /dev/psaux but you did that already so i'm not sure
[01:18] <GHOSTless> how can i telnet into a phone line modem? what program etc.?
[01:18] <neiras> Hey, is there a package repository that tracks the latest greatest all the time, so I don't have to continually dist-upgrade every 6 months?
[01:18] <hutch> anto9us: sorry if i seem a bit slow, i'm a total noob at linux...i just installed it yesterday cuz i was getting pissed at all the viruses/adware i was getting with my M$ comp
[01:19] <mdke> hutch, welcome
[01:19] <ChrisH_> Drako60: I tried that earlier without any luck, doubt it'll be much different now
[01:19] <hutch> anto9us:  how can i see if it is a "trusted machine"
[01:19] <mdke> neiras, gentoo?
[01:19] <poningru> how do you get linux to use the gateway?
[01:19] <neiras> mdke, ubuntu
[01:19] <mikail> ditto hutch
[01:19] <sebischn> mdke : where do I have to place my entry and how should be the syntax
[01:19] <GHOSTless> how can i telnet into a phone line modem? what program etc.?
[01:19] <hutch> lol anto
[01:19] <mdke> neiras, ubuntu freezes each release
[01:19] <mdke> thank god
[01:20] <anto9us> hutch: I hear you on that one, only way to see if it's trusted is to look in directory thingy on the server
[01:20] <mdke> sebischn, try the graphical interface with gnome, in the menu: system-> administration-> network
[01:20] <mikail> i just downloaded cedega and point2play, how do i install them?
[01:20] <Licker> eh.. if im installing Ububtu and it says something fails.. then says the CDs integ failed... does that mean it was a bad d-load or what..
[01:20] <JDigital> Help me guys, I can't eject my CD
[01:20] <sebischn> I need to do this over a shell, I only have a ssh connection to this computer , mdke :)
[01:20] <Burgundavia> JDigital, it may have borked
[01:21] <GHOSTless> how can i telnet into a phone line modem? what program etc.?
[01:21] <mdke> seb128, k fair enough
[01:21] <mdke> damn
[01:21] <Burgundavia> JDigital, on the command line type 'sudo eject'
[01:21] <mdke> sebischn, k fair enough
[01:21] <mdke> seb128, sorry wrong nick
[01:21] <JDigital> "device is busy"
[01:21] <Burgundavia> JDigital, even with sudo?
[01:21] <JDigital> yes
[01:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[01:21] <Mellar> dam
[01:21] <Burgundavia> a cd?
[01:21] <JDigital> a DVD
[01:21] <mdke> sebischn, find the iface lines for your device. Under it you should have:
[01:21] <Licker> Shut it down and hit eject in the BIOS stage. that works.
[01:21] <Licker> :p
[01:21] <mdke> address number
[01:21] <mdke> netmask number
[01:21] <JDigital> Ah, fixt it.
[01:21] <Mellar> dam
[01:21] <mdke> gateway number
[01:21] <Burgundavia> JDigital, did you kill the dvd player?
[01:22] <JDigital> I just did that, heh
[01:22] <Licker> eh.. if im installing Ububtu and it says something fails.. then says the CDs integ failed... does that mean it was a bad d-load or what..
[01:22] <JDigital> I had closed it but it mustn't have quit, it was still around
[01:22] <SerriaRomeo_> woot,  i at least am able to get on the net with linux
[01:22] <Burgundavia> JDigital, that get it?
[01:22] <JDigital> yeah
[01:22] <mdke> Serriaromeo, cool well gone
[01:22] <JDigital> thanks :D
[01:22] <yure> GHOSTless do you have modem working?
[01:22] <mdke> Serriaromeo, s/gone/done
[01:22] <SerriaRomeo_> still don't have the mouse figured out yet, but i think the serial card i'm using is bad.
[01:22] <Burgundavia> JDigital, sometimes the lock for the device doesn't go away. gnome-cd is famous for it
[01:22] <sebischn> I'll try, thx mdke
[01:23] <mdke> ok bed for me
[01:23] <Chipparn> i got some problem with my sound. i installed kde earlier today and thats when the sound got all messed up. the system sound is load and clear but when i play a mp3 or a movie the sound is really
[01:23] <Chipparn> low
[01:23] <GHOSTless> GHOSTless, i believe so...i cant test it
[01:23] <GHOSTless> ooops haha
[01:24] <GHOSTless> yure, i believe so...i cant test it
[01:24] <yure> GHOSTless i beleive minicom is the tool you are looking for
[01:24] <GHOSTless> yure, alright thanks...is there a package for it?
[01:24] <yure> if you have winmodem don't even bother
[01:25] <GHOSTless> k i'm gonna try it ... thanks
[01:25] <yure> GHOSTless yes minicom is packed. but again, if you don't have a real hardware modem you might have a lot of work
[01:26] <ThomasWinwood> Hmm.
[01:26] <GHOSTless> alright... i shall try
[01:26] <ThomasWinwood> You could make GNOME look much like the MacOS desktop if you tried.
[01:26] <Drako60> please can anyone help me with my system detecting my mouse
[01:27] <zoffmann> Does anybody knows is it possible to do unattended installation of the Ubuntu on several computers?
[01:27] <ChrisH_> Drako60: it's been suggested in #kubuntu that it might be a kernel problem
[01:27] <blueyed> kennt jemand setserial?
[01:28] <blueyed> sry.. does someone know the setserial package?
[01:28] <Drako60> apt-get install setserial
[01:28] <thundrcleeze> It should be, zoffmann.
[01:28] <Drako60> or apt-cache search setserial
[01:28] <thundrcleeze> zoffmann, I just don't know how.
[01:28] <Fahim> how can I change from console layout to gfnome????
[01:28] <zoffmann> on which way, thundrcleeze
[01:28] <blueyed> Drako60, I mean if it could harm the connection over serial console to the remote server I'm updating..
[01:29] <Exposure> Can anybody tell me which repository to add to get this package? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mrxvt/
[01:29] <blueyed> Exposure, universe,,
[01:29] <Exposure> I have universe
[01:29] <thundrcleeze> zoffmann, I don't know how to do it.
[01:29] <zoffmann> ok
[01:29] <zoffmann> tanks
[01:30] <thundrcleeze> zoffmann, maybe there's something in the forums or the wiki?  Or, you could just leave...
[01:30] <Exposure> but it only seems to get packages from archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary*
[01:30] <Burgundavia> Exposure, then you have it
[01:30] <Exposure> not according to apt
[01:30] <yure> Exposure: you've done apt-get update of course?
[01:30] <Exposure> strange isn't it? I'm new to ubuntu/apt so it could be something stupid i'm doing wrong
[01:31] <Burgundavia> Exposure, only in breezy
[01:31] <Exposure> yep
[01:31] <Burgundavia> Exposure, not in hoary
[01:31] <Burgundavia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mrxvt&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[01:31] <Exposure> ah where did you find that?
[01:31] <Exposure> ok
[01:32] <amonkey> am i confused in thinking bluefish is a wysiwyg editor, or am i dense in figuring out how to get it to show the editor
[01:32] <Exposure> thanks :)
[01:32] <philc1> bluefish is a code editor
[01:32] <philc1> not wysiwyg
[01:32] <yure> amonkey: bluefish is a great tool, but not WYSIWYG
[01:32] <Burgundavia> amonkey, you need nvu
[01:33] <amonkey> someone told me it was wysiwyg
[01:33] <amonkey> burgundavia: is nvu in synaptic?
[01:33] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[01:33] <yure> amonkey: offtopic, you should try coding html, it's better :)
[01:33] <Burgundavia> breezy only
[01:34] <amonkey> yure: i like getting a general form in a wysiwg and then touching it up by editing the code. i'm kinda lazy.
[01:35] <ThomasWinwood> http://img180.exs.cx/img180/7445/zrzutekranu1po.png <-- What's the iconset?
[01:36] <troy14> hello
[01:36] <troy14> how is everyone?
[01:37] <Mr_Milenko> anyone know any good sources to add to my apt sources.list?
[01:37] <Burgundavia> Mr_Milenko, yes, the default ubuntu ones
[01:37] <Juhaz> ThomasWinwood, bluecurve
[01:37] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[01:37] <Burgundavia> Mr_Milenko, and the marilliat repos if you need that stuff
[01:37] <gobeavs> ubuntu backports
[01:37] <troy14> mr milenko, I would just add the multiverse to the sources.list
[01:37] <Serriaromeo> ttyS0 is serial 1 correct?
[01:37] <Mr_Milenko> already done ;)
[01:37] <Chipparn> hmm can someone please help me.. my sound  is messed up. when i play mp3:s and movies in any media player the sound is really low.. but when doing a hardware test the sound is loud and clear. it happend about the same time when i installed kde. kde is now uninstalled.
[01:37] <pel> it seems i have a problem with usb-device autodetection
[01:37] <gobeavs> what is the best method to install slackware w/o CD-ROM? For the source...
[01:37] <bodaciousb> whats the command to burn a cd using an iso?
[01:38] <Burgundavia> gobeavs, you might be in the wrong channel
[01:38] <gobeavs> lol
[01:38] <gobeavs> yes I am
[01:38] <gobeavs> thought I was in justlinux
[01:38] <gobeavs> sorry, my bad :-P
[01:38] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[01:38] <Burgundavia> gobeavs, np
[01:38] <pel> i can acces my camera just fine - but it isn't autodetected...
[01:38] <pel> not the way it is on the live cd anyway..
[01:39] <pel> any clues?
[01:39] <gdel> I have loaded SMB4K & Samba (and all other needed files) using Synapic. I have also changed smbmnt &smbumount to suid root as discussed in these forums. Smb4k loads, OK. When I click on one of the displayed shares, I am presented with a screen which asks what program I want to use to open the share. What program should I use? How do I correct this?
[01:40] <revelater> how do i unzip a .zip file?
[01:40] <mdke> revelater, the command unzip
[01:40] <amonkey> what is the linux equiv of netstat?
[01:40] <Mr_Milenko> netstat is the same isnt it?
[01:40] <Exposure> try 'netstat' ;)
[01:40] <mdke> amonkey, not sure, but netstat exists
[01:40] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[01:41] <Edgan> amonkey: netstat
[01:41] <revelater> mdke: i tried that, is it possible for a file to be too large for it?
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> I'm sorry.. i know its different for linux... but seeing ->> <revelater> how do i unzip a .zip file?
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> make me laugh
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> :)
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> made*
[01:41] <amonkey>  i should have checked that first.
[01:41] <mdke> revelater, you might have to install the command
[01:41] <amonkey> :(
[01:41] <mdke> revelater, otherwise, i'm not sure
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> you can take the easy way out
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> install wine and winrar
[01:41] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[01:41] <Exposure> lol
[01:41] <revelater> mdke: it seemed to work, but it didn't unzip the file
[01:42] <Exposure> are you sure its a zipfile?
[01:42] <Mr_Milenko> unzip -r? i dunno.. i took the easy way out :-/
[01:42] <revelater> .zip
[01:42] <bodaciousb> how do i get cdrecord to burn an iso for me?
[01:42] <Serriaromeo> is it a tar.zip?
[01:42] <Exposure> try 'file foo.zip'
[01:42] <Serriaromeo> or whatever.tar.zip?
[01:42] <revelater> no tar
[01:43] <revelater> Star Trek Movies.zip: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
[01:43] <holycow> bodaciousb, why not just install gnomebaker and let that do it for you?
[01:43] <Exposure> revelater: what error are you getting?
[01:43] <bodaciousb> holycow, i did, but it made me a coaster... and said i needed to be root
[01:43] <revelater> bodaciousbe, have you tried graveman?
[01:44] <Mr_Milenko> holycow: i didnt see a ISO selection on gnomebaker o.O
[01:44] <revelater> it is saying that its coruupt
[01:44] <revelater> i know it isn't
[01:44] <holycow> yep its there
[01:44] <holycow> burn cd image
[01:44] <Exposure> revelater: how sure are you it isn't corrupt?
[01:44] <natex> revelater, give the command you used and the error. please
[01:44] <Absenth> evening all.
[01:44] <holycow> bodaciousb, weird
[01:45] <alvaro_> where can I select what daemons i like ?
[01:45] <bodaciousb> holycow, ok, i just did sudo gnomebaker to give it root, last time i selected it in the menu
[01:45] <bodaciousb> holycow, but its working now
[01:45] <revelater>  unzip Star\ Trek\ Movies.zip
[01:45] <holycow> cool
[01:45] <revelater> sorry for the flood
[01:45] <Mr_Milenko> what flood?
[01:45] <revelater>  -1524766391 extra bytes at beginning or within zipfile
[01:45] <revelater>   (attempting to process anyway)
[01:45] <revelater> error [Star Trek Movies.zip] :  start of central directory not found;
[01:45] <revelater>   zipfile corrupt.
[01:45] <revelater>   (please check that you have transferred or created the zipfile in the
[01:45] <alvaro_> where can I select what daemons i like ?
[01:45] <revelater>   appropriate BINARY mode and that you have compiled UnZip properly)
[01:45] <holycow> sounds like a permissions bug, perhaps you should file it on bugzilla?
[01:45] <Mr_Milenko> oh.. that flood
[01:45] <MindSpore> that flood
[01:45] <MindSpore> lol
[01:46] <natex> hehe
[01:46] <revelater> lol
[01:46] <revelater> (god said to noah
[01:46] <revelater> )
[01:46] <Mr_Milenko> so whats the deal with Breezy?
[01:46] <Mr_Milenko> hows it coming along?
[01:46] <cavediver> Hi. It seems totem can't play media player 9 files. I think i have all codecs installed. Older wmv files i can play without prblems
[01:47] <natex> revelater, looks like it is indeed corrupt
[01:47] <revelater> you sure
[01:47] <natex> nope
[01:47] <revelater> its a 6 gig file
[01:47] <Exposure> I'm having problems with my onboard intel ac97 audio, when one app uses the soundcards others can't
[01:47] <kyncani> cavediver: you may try mplayer
[01:47] <Mr_Milenko> sorry.. but
   zipfile corrupt.
[01:47] <Mr_Milenko> kinda gave it away
[01:47] <Mr_Milenko> :-
[01:47] <revelater> is there a program i can use with a gui?
[01:48] <natex> revelater, file-roller
[01:48] <revelater> Mr_Milenko: that downs't mean much, i managed to unzip a file that told me that, i just don't remember how
[01:48] <natex> revelater, er.... "archive manager" for gnome
[01:48] <revelater> and file-roller doesn't work
[01:48] <cavediver> kyncani: mplayer just starts in the background only playing the sound on those files.
[01:49] <Serriaromeo> another question for yall,  is it possible to kill a true soundblaster 16?   the one in the linux box, i've had for almost 10 years now and it sill works.
[01:49] <Exposure> revelater: how large is it?
[01:49] <Mr_Milenko> wee fixed my ident
[01:49] <revelater> over 6 gigs
[01:49] <Mr_Milenko> :D
[01:49] <natex> Serriaromeo, hehe I have a SBLive!Value card for nearly that long.
[01:49] <holycow> Serriaromeo, what did you do? poke it in eyes?
[01:49] <Exposure> revelater: what filesystem does it reside on?
[01:50] <kyncani> cavediver: check mplayer logs, the file may only have an audio stream, or mplayer may not be able to decode the video stream
[01:50] <Absenth> Serriaromeo, sure,  12 guage at close range with slugs will kill it.
[01:50] <revelater> file system? its in my home file
[01:50] <Exposure> oh ok
[01:50] <Serriaromeo> i've changed it, in and out of about 15 different systems now,  and it still works, i've had hard drives die for a lot less.
[01:50] <natex> good thinking tho Exposure
[01:50] <revelater> how do i open archive manager in command line?
[01:51] <holycow> Serriaromeo, drives are not the same as pci cards
[01:51] <Exposure> thx ;)
[01:51] <Absenth> remind me to not build things on the mac from source if at all possible from now on.
[01:51] <holycow> power consumption profile alone is in another category, never mind that it doesn't have moving parts
[01:52] <MindSpore> how come icons keep disappearing from panel.. specifically gAIM.. there's space for it, but not there..
[01:52] <revelater> ...
[01:52] <revelater> ?
[01:52] <ThomasWinwood> GAIM seems to quit when you kill the gnome-panel.
[01:52] <alfredo> How I can Configure a "sound card"  I already have configure alsa. but does't work
[01:52] <kyncani> revelater: file-roller i think
[01:53] <Serriaromeo> true, but do i have a old 40 meg mfm drive that still works,  if anybody still remembers those.
[01:53] <MindSpore> ThomasWinwood: GAIM is still running though,,, i hear it
[01:53] <ThomasWinwood> MindSpore: Kill it and restart it.
[01:53] <revelater> file roller doesn't work good with zips
[01:53] <anto9us> 40 meg?!!!! wow!!!
[01:53] <sbcl3> i just "installed" wine through the synaptic package manager
[01:53] <sbcl3> where is it?
[01:53] <Absenth> serriaromeo, 40meg?  you have the deluxe, the one I've got on my desk at work was a 10.
[01:53] <MindSpore> ThomasWinwood, yes.. but it keeps doing the same
[01:53] <sbcl3> i don't see it on the apps menu
[01:54] <Nechushtan> mdz: for the ide bug I submitted, should I do those commands with my modules workaround?
[01:54] <anto9us> Serriaromeo: must have cost a fortune
[01:54] <revelater> sbc13: open command wine and type: wine nameofprogram
[01:54] <sbcl3> command wine?
[01:54] <Absenth> serriaromeo, best part is, with the cover off, it still runs.....  took a while to find a pc that worked, that still had a MFM controller.
[01:54] <sbcl3> where is "command wine"?
[01:55] <revelater> sbc13: lol, command line
[01:55] <darwinist> wooooooooooooooow this is may people
[01:56] <revelater> wooow?
[01:56] <Serriaromeo> i loved having to take the cover off every now and again and blowing the dust out of it.
[01:56] <revelater> whos partying on cinco de mayo?????
[01:56] <holycow> no, wooooooooooooooow
[01:57] <revelater> no no, wooooooooooooooo
[01:57] <darwinist> wwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooowwwwwwwwww indeed
[01:57] <revelater> w
[01:57] <Absenth> revelator, does compiling etherape, and all it's dependencies count as a party?
[01:57] <darwinist> many people
[01:57] <revelater> Absenth: for you my friend, yes
[01:57] <anto9us> Absenth: only if you're dancing
[01:58] <revelater> Absenth: and drinking ;)
[01:58] <MindSpore> dancing makes it compile faster
[01:58] <natex> so does drinking
[01:58] <Absenth> revelator, anto9us, heh, that's what I'm doing wrong, forgot the drinking part.
[01:58] <darwinist> i'm drinking!
[01:59] <revelater> who isn't!!!
[01:59] <nubious> WOO
[01:59] <nubious> people
[01:59] <MindSpore> .....me
[01:59] <nubious> sweet.
[01:59] <revelater> and remember, the only good linux admin, is a drunk linux admin!!!!
[02:00] <revelater> my lag is going up to like 5 secs, so it takes a while for people to react to what i say, its funny
[02:00] <Absenth> heh....
[02:00] <revelater> like that
[02:00] <Absenth> what would be required to be a good linux/windows admin in a mixed envrionment?
[02:00] <Absenth> besides replacing windows servers with linux servers whenever possible.
[02:00] <revelater> heh... dead
[02:01] <natex> Absenth, patience for the Windows users
[02:01] <MindSpore> Absenth: you have to swing bth ways
[02:01] <holycow> what natex said
[02:01] <revelater> you have to be like java
[02:01] <MindSpore> stimulating?
[02:01] <revelater> slow, crappy, and resource intensive
[02:01] <anto9us> Absenth: being a good psychologist I think, people don't like change
[02:01] <Absenth> heh....
[02:02] <Absenth> in two weeks that'll be my job....
[02:02] <revelater> 6 scond lag
[02:02] <revelater> wooooot
[02:02] <anto9us> a computer system has three parts, hardware, software and liveware, the more you understand about the latter the better
[02:02] <natex> Absenth, nice, good for you
[02:03] <revelater> better get to shooting yourself in the head now...
[02:03] <natex> hehe
[02:03] <revelater> before it gets harder
[02:03] <anto9us> nubious: you're it :)
[02:03] <Absenth> natex, well partially good for me.  I'm not real excited to be supporting active directory, IIS, and an Exchange mail server.
[02:03] <Wolfie> O.o
[02:03] <nubious> hah
[02:03] <Absenth> the rest of it won't be so bad.
[02:03] <nubious> fair enuff.
[02:03] <nubious> :)
[02:03] <Wolfie> was that a joke? in HERE
[02:04] <Serriaromeo> the liveware can also be considered the short between the seat and the chair
[02:04] <nubious> ahah
[02:04] <nubious> BKACE errors.
[02:04] <nubious> luvem.
[02:04] <revelater> 8 seconds lag!!!
[02:04] <ThomasWinwood> What about the liveware-software interface layer?
[02:04] <Serriaromeo> that's where i'm having my trouble now.  ID10T errors :-)
[02:04] <anto9us> Absenth: upgrade to samba, apache and postfix
[02:04] <natex> Absenth, right, but hey, it's where the money is.
[02:04] <revelater> she can't take much more capn' !!!
[02:05] <natex> Absenth, will you be able to make system wide changes? =)
[02:05] <Absenth> anto9us, here's the deal.  if someone can give me a surefire way to migrate a dozen .ASP based websites that use vbscript to interface with a mysql database, I'm all over apache.  I can't do anything about the exchange or AD stuff.  The company invested too much into it, and Sarb-Ox is a bitch.
[02:06] <Absenth> natex, as things come to end of life, I can make recomendations and changes, but running systems aren't going to be replaced just because I don't like them.
[02:07] <anto9us> how big is the web application Absenth? Zope is a doddle.
[02:07] <natex> Absenth, of course
[02:08] <Absenth> anto9us, zope isn't likely to allow vbscript is it?
[02:08] <karljp> it should.
[02:08] <Absenth> anto9us, or are you talking about running zope on a windows server?
[02:08] <anto9us> Absenth: that's an option
[02:09] <thundrcleeze> Does anyone know of a conference drawing program, like a whiteboard, for Ubuntu?
[02:10] <Absenth> anto9us, that's worth researching then.  I need to spec out a 1U server to replace the current webserver so it can be co-located.  If I can port what they have over to something that doesn't require a $500 (server 2k3 web ed.) os, I might be able to pull that off.
[02:11] <anto9us> Absenth: yup, I like zope, I have my application in front of a postgresql database
[02:11] <Absenth> BTW. it's the average IQ in this channel that keeps bringing me back :)
[02:11] <anto9us> just got it all up and running on ubuntu which I installed for the first time on Sunday
[02:12] <Absenth> anto9us, I also like zope, I'll have to load a copy on my Win2K3 server at home to see if my wife's asp pages actually work with little, or better still no, rewriting.  if they do, then we'll try it on *nix
[02:13] <anto9us> easy to export a zope app across platforms too
[02:14] <nubious> has anyone here ever setup teamspeak in linux?
[02:14] <mikail> i got it
[02:14] <nubious> (server)
[02:14] <mikail> oops wrong window
[02:14] <Ogami> whats zope again sounds familiar
[02:14] <Absenth> asking in #zope if anyone knows how difficult it will be to port the vbscript pages to zope.
[02:15] <anto9us> Ogami: it's a web based application server
[02:15] <Absenth> Zope is a DHTML environment.  with a webserver built in should you choose not to use apache as the front end.
[02:15] <Ogami> ahhh
[02:15] <Ogami> thanks
[02:17] <Nalioth> the robot poker has returned
[02:18] <anto9us> Absenth: with mysql as the backend database it's very likely that most of the vbscript is doing what the rdbms whould be doing anyway, I've seen the same thing with php, moving to postgresql may make things a lot easier
[02:19] <anto9us> s/whould/should
[02:19] <Nalioth> Absenth, were you succesful at your tiger task?
[02:19] <Absenth> anto9us, the big catch is, the company doesn't have enough staff to re-write sites that are already live.  not and stay on top of new projects.
[02:20] <Absenth> Nalioth, Jaguar, but yes.  I have OS 10.3 re-installed, and am using it as we type.
[02:20] <anto9us> Absenth: that's where a decent RAD tool will prove beneficial :)
[02:20] <Absenth> Nalioth, actually right now I'm waiting patiently for etherape and deps. to build.
[02:20] <karljp> absenth: sounds like $500 for windows server is a pretty cheap solution
[02:21] <Absenth> karljp, I'm thinking the same thing, I need to figure out what the support costs will be per year roughtly on each platform.  I suspect that windows in this case, will be the cheap solution :/
[02:21] <Nalioth> Absenth, thought you were unleashing the tiger
[02:21] <Absenth> and whoever said "it's where the money is" is right on.  :)
[02:22] <karljp> absenth: I might even suggest that if you felt that your ongoing support tasks would be easier on a linux server
[02:22] <Absenth> Nalioth, I don't have the spare $130 atm.
[02:22] <karljp> perhaps, given the price of hardware these days, run both a linux and windows mahcine
[02:22] <karljp> and just leave your legacy customers on the win boxes
[02:22] <karljp> but you know more about your situtation than I do :)
[02:22] <carlos_> hola
[02:23] <dantheman> does anybody know a good calendaring app for gnome?
[02:24] <anto9us> dantheman: have you looked at evolution?
[02:24] <dantheman> anto9us: never heard of it
[02:24] <|QuaD-> noticed mono 1.1.6 is uploaded to breezy, just waiting for the developers to say its ready to install :)
[02:25] <anto9us> it's a lot like Outlook
[02:25] <Nalioth> dantheman, do you want a gui calendar?
[02:25] <g14> Is mono ever going to be included with a default ubuntu install?
[02:25] <kwame> Hi ... i just installed ubuntu ...
[02:25] <dantheman> Nalioth: yes
[02:25] <|QuaD-> g14: not sure, right now its available with apt
[02:25] <Nalioth> dantheman, try sunbird (mozilla.org)
[02:25] <kwame> it didn't install any X or gnome ... is that normal or did I do something wrong?
[02:25] <MindSpore> you did something wrong
[02:26] <g14> | QuaD: I can get it from apt no prob, I am just trying to find out if it will be installed by default with stuff like beagle once inotify is in the upstream kernel
[02:26] <|QuaD-> g14: no idea
[02:26] <|QuaD-> g14: i thought inotify is in the upstream kernel currently
[02:27] <g14> |QuaD: Yes it was introduced as of 2.6.12
[02:28] <knewt> what sort of fixes are allowed into hoary now it's been released?
[02:29] <icebalm> security
[02:29] <|QuaD-> g14: 2.6.12 is in ubuntu already?
[02:29] <knewt> icebalm: absolutely no bug fixes?
[02:30] <karljp> how come --force-yes won't install my package?
[02:30] <icebalm> karljp: because it's --force-all
[02:30] <neighborlee> karljp, you should not be forcing
[02:30] <neighborlee> karljp, speaking of which why are you
[02:30] <karljp> icebalm: man apt-get says force-yes
[02:30] <karljp> neighborlee, I can tell you a very valid reason, and I'm doing it for that reason, can you think of why I might want to?
[02:31] <Absenth> karljp, if you use force, you could be brought up on charges :)
[02:31] <neighborlee> karljp, yes charges may be brought
[02:31] <Nalioth> absenth what are you running etherape on?
[02:31] <neighborlee> karljp, are you ready to face the squad ?
[02:31] <neighborlee> karljp, har
[02:31] <icebalm> karljp: man dpkg says --force-all
[02:31] <MindSpore> absynth gives you wormwood poisoning
[02:31] <Absenth> nalioth, osx 10.3
[02:32] <karljp> absinthe does I believe.
[02:32] <icebalm> neighborlee: there are times where you have to force things
[02:32] <karljp> but the change the spelling in various languages so who am I to talk :)
[02:32] <MindSpore> absinthe: yup.. i know it wasn't enth
[02:32] <neighborlee> karljp, anyway...why are you forcing..typically you can get around it with : dpkg-reconfigure package
[02:32] <ignis> hey, not an ubuntu specific question, but can anyone explain why my pentium M clock speed flucuates between its top speed and 800 Mhz (which is set in the bios) as reported in /proc/cpuinfo. Is there any benefit to this about from perhaps power saving?
[02:32] <karljp> in this case I can't, and I know why I can't.
[02:32] <neighborlee> icebalm, reconfigure should fix..I dont prescribe to forcing ever
[02:32] <karljp> my only clue as to why I need to is that I could have gotten around it with checkinstall
[02:33] <Absenth> I must have missed something......  which is sad because I think it was regarding me...  :)
[02:33] <Nalioth> ya'll quit talkin about absenth!
[02:33] <knewt> icebalm: what do you think the chances of security fixes needing to be done for gtk2 are then? rebuilding it is hateful, it takes sooooo long
[02:33] <Nalioth> Absenths ears was burnin
[02:33] <Drako60> wooo xserver working, usb mouse working, but ps2 mouse not working
[02:33] <anto9us> ignis: yes, it's a powersaving feature and can be disabled if you don't need it
[02:34] <Nalioth> Drako60, ps2? wow
[02:34] <tjoe> bob2: we meet again
[02:34] <icebalm> neighborlee: installing an up to date fglrx (ati) driver from an alien'd rpm when xlibmesagl is blocking the overwrite of libGL.*
[02:34] <Drako60> Nalioth: why does everyone seem so surprised by that?
[02:34] <Drako60> its a 9pin din optical mouse, but the system will not register it is connected
[02:34] <karljp> was it connected when you booted the computer?
[02:34] <karljp> ps2 needs that unfortunately.
[02:35] <Drako60> karljp: yes it was
[02:35] <Nalioth> Drako60, its a dinosaur
[02:35] <mikail> spiderworm: can't find it in wiki
[02:35] <karljp> ps2 is not a dinosaur
[02:35] <Drako60> thank you karljp
[02:35] <neighborlee> icebalm, bah to me thats just too many levels of trouble...maybe its fine but i'd never trust such a method myself
[02:35] <spiderworm> mikail: i will help
[02:35] <karljp> keyboards with DIN connectors are actually still alive and kicking
[02:35] <Drako60> Nalioth: serial is a dinosaur
[02:35] <karljp> because they are SOLID
[02:35] <Nalioth> karljp, Drako60 perhaps not, but its an old standard
[02:35] <ignis> anto9us: is it only possible to disable in the bios? It would be nice to do from the OS so it could switch on when running on battery and switch off when on AC power
[02:35] <Absenth> ps2 is a wicked piece of equipment from sony, that runs netbsd like a champ.  :)
[02:35] <icebalm> neighborlee: how would you fix it then?
[02:35] <karljp> nalioth: don't wave the old standard card and say linux doesn't work with old hardware
[02:35] <tjoe> anto9us: still no luck, said my wireless lan driver was invalid
[02:35] <karljp> linux normally works better with old than new :)
[02:35] <neighborlee> icebalm, you mean to tell me there is no source or deb package for this ?
[02:36] <Drako60> karljp: not considering i'm using a AMD64 hoary hedgehog
[02:36] <icebalm> neighborlee: nope, released as rpm only
[02:36] <Absenth> I'm pretty sure my dualboot windows/ubuntu machine upstairs has a ps2 keyboard installed because I can't get grub to pause with the usb.
[02:36] <neighborlee> icebalm, nothing in apt either id find odd unless its incredibly new
[02:36] <knewt> icebalm: ??
[02:36] <Nalioth> karljp, true
[02:36] <neighborlee> icebalm, lovely
[02:36] <Nalioth> karljp, i've been running macs for over 3 years, i've forgotten what ps2 was
[02:36] <anto9us> ignis: no, you can do it from the OS, there's info on the ubuntu wiki I think
[02:37] <icebalm> knewt: no idea
[02:37] <karljp> you have an rather limited memory capacity then it seems nalioth :)
[02:37] <Drako60> Absenth: thats the funny thing, the ps2 keyboard works fine just not the mouse
[02:37] <anto9us> tjoe: have you checked on the ndiswrapper website to see if it supports your card?
[02:38] <Absenth> Drako60, heh in that case, I'd just rip the usb->ps2 adptr off, and plug the mouse into a usb port :)
[02:38] <Nalioth> karljp, swimming in the bliss of mac i am
[02:38] <Drako60> xserver working, gnome working, don't like it but irssi is working, ethernet not falling asleep and failing, dma kernel panic
[02:38] <tjoe> anto9us: they do support azerus, but the company that put it together, microcomp/lanexpress, wasnt listed
[02:39] <ignis> anto9us: cheers, i'll take a look
[02:39] <Drako60> Absenth: i wish i had a usb to ps2 adptr, i have ps2 to usb instead
[02:39] <knewt> icebalm: oh well. a major focus bug has just been fixed in gtk2 (i've rebuilt the ubuntu gtk2 packages myself locally), and i was really hoping it might be possible to slip it in to the hoary updates stream somehow
[02:39] <anto9us> tjoe: sometimes it's best to download a different driver than the one supplied with your card
[02:40] <tjoe> anto9us: any idea where that would be
[02:40] <Absenth> Drako66, well, if you were local I'd drive over, and hand you a shiny new usb mouse.....  Oh well  :)
[02:41] <anto9us> tjoe: there's recommendations and links to drivers on the ndiswrapper website I think
[02:41] <tjoe> anto9us: thnx
[02:41] <Drako60> Absenth: i'm using my moms USB trackball its working fine
[02:42] <Drako60> now how to get dma working without the kernel panicing
[02:43] <a_monkey> is there a better way to restart the X server than to just kill it with ctrl+alt+backspace?
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> why not...
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> its good like ctrlaltdel
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[02:43] <anto9us> a_monkey: you can ctrl+alt+F1 to log into a console and kill processes from the command line
[02:43] <a_monkey> if i do it about three times in a row, it doesn't start back up again
[02:43] <^thehatsrule^> suppose kill -9 x could work...
[02:44] <Drako60> how do edit ide_core to have amd74xxx load befor the rest?
[02:44] <^thehatsrule^> or w/e the executable is
[02:44] <a_monkey> well, cya
[02:46] <Drako60> ahh did all the helpers leave?
[02:46] <Nalioth> Drako60, how may i help you?
[02:46] <amonkey> how can i make gedit open a file correctly when viewing it over a network share? gedit comes up without opening the file, and it works when i open it with "open location"
[02:47] <Drako60> i need to know how to get ide_core to load amd74xx befor the rest of the ide modules
[02:47] <kyncani> Drako60: you can put it in /etc/modules
[02:47] <calc> Drako60: just remove the ide-generic one from /etc/modules will probably be enough, if its that stupid dma issue
[02:48] <Drako60> /etc/modules is currently empty
[02:48] <Drako60> calc: are you speaking of the nforce dma issue?
[02:48] <anto9us> amonkey: seems like an authentication problem, try a permanent samba mount.
[02:48] <calc> in general you can't enable dma on anything that ide-generic steals
[02:48] <calc> ubuntu had/has a problem where it puts ide-generic in /etc/modules and then the chipset specific driver ends up getting loaded after that
[02:49] <karljp> how come dpkg isn't using my COLUMNS env var?
[02:49] <calc> so the chipset specific driver can't attach to your drives and thus you get no dma
[02:49] <calc> this affects _ALL_ ide controllers
[02:49] <calc> but seems to only happen if your root drive is not on ide (eg scsi, or sata)
[02:49] <Drako60-xchat> calc, but as i said /etc/modules is empty when i do nano /etc/modules
[02:49] <calc> or perhaps more accurately if your root is not on the same controller as the other devices
[02:49] <calc> Drako60-xchat: oh sorry, didn't see that part
[02:49] <anto9us> amonkey: sorry, I'm assuming it's a samba share
[02:50] <phantomdata> Nobody in here uses Oregano, do they?
[02:50] <calc> Drako60-xchat: so you can't get dma to work on nforce?
[02:50] <Drako60> correct calc
[02:50] <phantomdata> (The circuit diagramming software, not the spice)
[02:50] <MindSpore> yeah.. i even sold some to a kid who thought it was pot
[02:50] <calc> Drako60: what was the message it gave you? was it the same generic loading first problem or something else?
[02:50] <kyncani> Drako60-xchat: if you put amd74xx in /etc/modules, it should be loaded before ide-generic ?
[02:50] <ignis> anto9us: btw, it seems to be powernowd that controls it.. It's actually not too bad - when the processor is needed it'll throttle back the cpu and so should help keep the heat in check even if the machine is running off the mains
[02:50] <calc> kyncani: yes as long as initrd doesn't load it
[02:51] <Drako60> its loading ide_core ide_cd,ide-generic, ide-disk, amd74xx
[02:51] <Drako60> thats when i do lsmod
[02:51] <kyncani> calc: sure
[02:51] <Drako60> so the ide_core module is loading
[02:51] <calc> Drako60: so amd74xx loads after ide-generic then?
[02:51] <Drako60> yes
[02:51] <anto9us> ignis: cool ;)
[02:51] <calc> ok
[02:51] <calc> you can verify that your initrd is good by loopback mounting it if you want
[02:51] <Drako60> so how do i disable the loading of module ide_core and put the modules into /etc/modules
[02:51] <amonkey> anto9us: i'm browsing over smb protocol, but it's not mounted... i tried mounting it and it wouldn't take the password
[02:52] <calc> Drako60: if nothing is in /etc/modules then it is either getting loaded in initrd or is being hotplug loaded (i guess)
[02:52] <anto9us> amonkey: well, I think when you solve that you'll solve your other problems amonkey
[02:52] <anto9us> hmm.. I didn't notice an echo in here before
[02:52] <calc> Drako60: to find out you can do:
[02:53] <calc> mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 /mnt
[02:53] <calc> then
[02:53] <calc> cat /mnt/loadmodules
[02:53] <calc> mine just does video, a couple acpi modules, and sata/scsi setup
[02:54] <kyncani> mmmh, with initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686, ide-generic _is_ loaded in initrd ..
[02:54] <calc> btw loadmodules is specific to your system
[02:55] <calc> i'm not sure how you make it load the right things
[02:55] <calc> since it is specific to the system i don't know if it is modified at each boot or what
[02:55] <calc> someone in #ubuntu-kernel probably knows
[02:55] <kyncani> ?? i may have been wrong .. (he he)
[02:55] <calc> :)
[02:56] <Drako60> initrd.img-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic it is loaded
[02:56] <calc> Drako60: it shows ide-generic for you too?
[02:56] <S1lence> hello
[02:56] <calc> in loadmodules i meant
[02:56] <Drako60> yes
[02:56] <Drako60> modprobe -k ide-generic
[02:56] <Drako60> mobprode -k ide-disk
[02:56] <calc> very strange
[02:57] <calc> yea you probably should file a bug about that then
[02:57] <calc> that is not good
[02:57] <calc> and probably talk to someone in #ubuntu-kernel
[02:57] <Drako60> thats doing a cat /mnt/loadmodules
[02:57] <phantomdata> Seriously though, are there _no_ circuit simulation systems that _work_ for Linux?  Do I seriously need Windows in order to do engineering work?
[02:57] <calc> ide-generic should never be in initrd unless there is no proper ide proper ide driver for your box
[02:57] <calc> hmm double typed :\
[02:58] <Drako60> it also shows modprobe -k amd74xx > /dev/null 2>&l
[02:58] <calc> phantomdata: http://ngspice.sourceforge.net/ ?
[02:58] <calc> phantomdata: perhaps use google?
[02:59] <calc> http://www.geda.seul.org/
[02:59] <calc> Drako60: it has the amd74xx after the ide-generic line?
[02:59] <Drako60> not according to cat no
[02:59] <calc> hmm
[03:00] <calc> Drako60: do you have a log of your bootup, eg dmesg?
[03:00] <anto9us> phantomdata: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/apps/circuits/!INDEX.short.html
[03:00] <GHOSTless> how can i go about shutting down gnome and running fluxbox?...not on start up...just when i want to
[03:00] <Drako60> yeah sure
[03:00] <odyssey> Drako60, what does modprobe -k do? its not in the man page
[03:00] <calc> Drako60: post it somewhere i want to look at it
[03:00] <calc> odyssey: iirc it loads all deps
[03:01] <calc> but yea it should be documented
[03:01] <GHOSTless> how can i go about shutting down gnome and running fluxbox?...not on start up...just when i want to
[03:01] <jago> can any one tell me how to kill a frozen program
[03:02] <g14> jago: Type xkill and wait for the cursor to change. Then click on the window
[03:02] <calc> jago: kill or kill -9
[03:02] <Drako60> jago, xkill
[03:02] <calc> or yea xkill :)
[03:02] <jago> thank you
[03:02] <Drako60> pastebin.com, i can paste syslogd there right?
[03:02] <calc> firefox ate my system yesterday was so slow i couldn't even change terminals
[03:02] <calc> so i had to reboot
[03:02] <calc> Drako60: yea
[03:05] <Drako60> calc, http://pastebin.com/279785
[03:05] <^vir^> hey
[03:05] <GHOSTless> Can someone tell me how to run fluxbox...and exit gnome?
[03:06] <blueyed> How can I list all packages that are converted by alien? Or that are not present in the current apt-cache?
[03:06] <calc> Drako60: it looks like dma should be working on your box
[03:06] <calc> it loaded generic after the amd driver
[03:07] <Drako60> calc, check lines 97-100
[03:07] <calc> at least i think it did
[03:07] <Drako60> when i was running debian without ide=nodma it kernel panic right after
[03:08] <calc> so you are passing ide=nodma for it to work?
[03:08] <Drako60> line 99 and 100 debian sid kernel panic right saying hardware check exception
[03:08] <Drako60> yes currently
[03:09] <calc> hmm that sounds like a hardware/driver issue then not a ide-generic loading issue like i was having
[03:09] <calc> have you upgraded your bios to current rev?
[03:09] <Drako60> there is only the initial release for my bios
[03:09] <calc> ok
[03:09] <^vir^> how exectly i go about setting up pure-ftpd with ubuntu if i download & install it using apt-get?
[03:09] <calc> you may want to try the 2.6.11 kernel and see if it works any better
[03:10] <calc> they may have had to work around buggy hardware for that, not really sure
[03:10] <Nalioth> ^vir^, read the accompanying documentation
[03:10] <Drako60> i may also want to try installing the restricted nvidia drivers for it
[03:10] <calc> yea
[03:11] <calc> if that doesn't work something is really screwed up
[03:11] <Absenth> Nalioth, that translates roughly to RTFM?
[03:11] <Drako60> i have the only DFI model motherboard that uses nF3
[03:12] <Nalioth> Absenth, right you are cuz apt-get will bring it and put it in place. you read to learn to start it up
[03:12] <^vir^> RTFM helps when the manual is actually useful
[03:12] <calc> Drako60: fun :)
[03:13] <Nalioth> ^vir^, if the manual sux, check other FAQs
[03:13] <calc> if the FAQs suck read the source :)
[03:13] <Drako60> hack hack hack
[03:13] <^vir^> i've looked on ubuntuguide no guide... ubuntuforum has nothing...
[03:14] <^vir^> ubuntuforums has a bit but not that helpful
[03:14] <Nalioth> ^vir^, use your google
[03:14] <^vir^> i did :P
[03:14] <^vir^> did a search for ubuntu pure-ftpd :P
[03:14] <Drako60> is there anyway to get info on the packages in apt, like apt-info for say to describ what the package is?
[03:15] <^vir^> you think i'd just come here & ask
[03:15] <Nalioth> ^vir^, some lamers do
[03:15] <calc> Drako60: apt-cache showpkg foo
[03:15] <Nalioth> yes i said lamer
[03:15] <^vir^> no you never :D
[03:15] <calc> Drako60: actually just apt-cache show foo
[03:16] <Nalioth> google "setting up pure-ftpd"
[03:16] <calc> showpkg shows more detailed stuff
[03:16] <^vir^> i looked already so doesn't actually include me
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> I am drunk on on love .. and whiskey
[03:18] <^vir^> anyway Nalioth  why are you so hostile?
[03:18] <Nalioth> hostile? me?
[03:19] <Absenth> holy shiza......  "compiling xfree86"  I'm going to be here all night.
[03:19] <Nalioth> i believe the best way to help someone learn their linux, is to show them how to learn their linux
[03:19] <jordanau> HrdwrBoB, what kinda whiskey?
[03:19] <Eddie> hi gys
[03:19] <Drako60> ok so i already have restricted modules for this system
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> jordanau: it's quote from pokey the penguin
[03:19] <Eddie> jordanau: kentucky bourbon is the very best
[03:20] <jordanau> HrdwrBoB, the "on on" should have given it away...
[03:20] <jordanau> Eddie, makers!!
[03:20] <Eddie> g14: thanks for the msg
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> oh er.. on on should be 'on' .. it's still before 12
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> I am tired
[03:20] <Eddie> jordanau: my favourite, makers mark, you are a legend my friend
[03:20] <pztak> for some reason, in openoffice when i print with times new roman it looks different on paper than when i print the document using windows. if i open a word document that was created in windows using openoffice it prints fine... anyone know how to solve it?
[03:20] <g14> Eddie: your welcome
[03:20] <Nalioth> ^vir^, answer your question?
[03:20] <jordanau> Eddie, have you tried that woodbridge or whatever its called?
[03:21] <Eddie> jordanau: woodford reserve?
[03:21] <neighborlee> hey guys does ubuntu have like a database to check for support issues or atm just the forums,wikis etc.....
[03:21] <jordanau> Eddie, yeah thats it
[03:21] <Eddie> Guys does ubuntu have a good installer that autoconfigs hardware etc?
[03:21] <pztak> Eddie: yes
[03:21] <jordanau> Eddie, yes very good installer
[03:21] <^vir^> Nalioth, but isn't it helpful to have a guide to show you the ropes so you don't actually make the box insecure for some lame ass cracker to install a rootkit gain admin rights & then use it as a spam gateway?
[03:22] <Absenth> ^vir^ a google search on (with quotes) "setting up pure-ftpd" nets....
[03:22] <Nalioth> ^vir^, ubuntu is set to "listen only" by default
[03:22] <Drako60> linux hacking is always so fun
[03:22] <^vir^> ok..
[03:22] <jordanau> Eddie, have you tried woodford reserve/
[03:22] <Absenth> ^vir^ http://www.pureftpd.org/documentation.shtml  <--- which looks pretty damn good
[03:22] <Nalioth> ^vir^, if nobody knows you're there, how are you gonna get rooted?
[03:22] <Eddie> jordanau: its very nice, though unless you drink it straight or with ice, theres little point, I only ever have cheap whiskey with a mixer, the good stuff I love over ice
[03:22] <g14> Eddie: Ubuntu installer is very easy although it is all text based
[03:23] <jordanau> Eddie, same here, although i thought woodford was nice, i haven't tried it
[03:23] <Eddie> g14: I installed Debian when I was nine years old =)
[03:23] <jordanau> Eddie, i got a friend of mine that is a bourbon drinker and he is turning 21 and i need to know what to get him
[03:23] <calc> Eddie: but its too hard to install... ;)
[03:24] <calc> Eddie: its so hard only kids can do it!? ;) hehe
[03:24] <^vir^> crown?
[03:24] <g14> Eddie: Ubuntu also doesn't have a pretty bootup like fedora's rhgb. Once the next version (Breezy Badger) is released, it will have the best bootup of any distro
[03:24] <Eddie> calc: debian is a pain in the arse, lol
[03:24] <Eddie> crown is nice, but we dont get it here
[03:24] <jordanau> ^vir^, wrapping shit in velvet doesn't make it taste better
[03:24] <calc> debian is simple, now ubuntu is easier than debian but i wouldn't want to run anything other than one of those two
[03:24] <Absenth> jordanau, I'd get him a bottle of Jonny walker blue label
[03:24] <Nalioth> what fraggin purpose does "swf_play" have? except to drive my CPU thru the roof
[03:24] <g14> I use ubuntu for desktops and CentOS4 for servers
[03:25] <g14> Redhat distros have better ISV support
[03:25] <g14> So I can install Oracle on them
[03:25] <Eddie> Nalioth: id imagine its a process for shockwave flash, it can be safely killed unless youre watching something important
[03:25] <anto9us> Nalioth: I think that's the flash plugin for mozilla et al
[03:25] <calc> g14: that sounds vaguely like non-free crap ;)
[03:25] <^vir^> heres a question
[03:26] <g14> calc: Not all enterprises rely on 100% OSS stacks :)
[03:26] <Nalioth> wish i could kill the whole darned thing
[03:26] <calc> true
[03:26] <Absenth> ^vir^ what's Absenths bank account number so you can donate a fortune to it?
[03:26] <Absenth> ^vir^ I like that question :)
[03:26] <jordanau> Absenth, thanks for the advice, it will be hard to impress someone who only drinks makers L)
[03:26] <Drako60> i'm still alive?
[03:27] <calc> but oracle is on the other end of the spectrum, really non-free where they charge per core on dual core cpus even
[03:27] <Absenth> jordanau, I love makers.
[03:27] <jordanau> Absenth, i love gin
[03:27] <^vir^> ok why is it that firefox sometimes randomly closes is anyone aware of this problem
[03:27] <calc> greedy !@#$ ;)
[03:27] <Absenth> jordanau, I'm a rum guy myself, but....
[03:27] <Absenth> calc heh  :)
[03:27] <g14> ^vir^: What extensions do you have installed?
[03:27] <jordanau> ^vir^, i have had it happen a couple of times too, dont know why
[03:27] <^vir^> Absenth haha if only i had money to start off with
[03:27] <jordanau> Absenth, too sweet for me
[03:27] <g14> ^vir^: I run a million tabs and have no problems with ff closing
[03:27] <Xappe> ^vir^: porn overload :)
[03:28] <Eddie> jordanau: gordons gin is nice, mix it with some martini and youre in business
[03:28] <Absenth> g14, I agree BTW,  corporations don't run all FOSS.
[03:28] <calc> i run with lots of tabs and didn't have any problems until last night firefox completely killed my box
[03:28] <odyssey> ^vir^, it just seems to happen
[03:28] <jordanau> Xappe, or not enough, computers need theirs ya know
[03:28] <^vir^> i'm just using macromedia flash plug in
[03:28] <anto9us> firefox is rock solid for me
[03:28] <calc> i think it effectively fork bombed or something similar
[03:28] <Nalioth> Xappe, porn won't do it, its got to be pR0n (the good at-work stuff)
[03:28] <calc> OOM killer didn't even fix it
[03:28] <Absenth> g14, although whenever it's a best fit.....   use it :)
[03:28] <calc> so i guess it wasn't a memory issue
[03:28] <Eddie> jordanau: my usual tipple around halls is a quarter pint of gin with a quarter pint of martini and ice, half pint of raw spirit - the irish way to drink
[03:29] <Xappe> jordanau: it's a thin line
[03:29] <calc> g14: is that where the nick came from? ;)
[03:29] <^vir^> haha pr0n overload never :D
[03:29] <karljp> martini isn't raw spirit
[03:29] <g14> G-14 Classified
[03:29] <karljp> but if you'd like to think so, that's fine.
[03:29] <g14> Chris rock
[03:29] <Xappe> Nalioth: prOn is for geeks, porn is for the mass
[03:29] <jordanau> Eddie, tonic water, ice, jalopeno stuffed olives, and a little olive juice :D\
[03:30] <jordanau> Xappe, hahaha
[03:30] <calc> g14: ah
[03:30] <Eddie> karljp: youre thinking of the coctail
[03:30] <g14> Yes bartender, I'll have rum and coke, hold the coke
[03:30] <Absenth> I think my Xfree86 compile is going to fail.....  which might just make me cry.
[03:30] <anto9us> vir, which part?
[03:30] <Drako60> ahh so thats why my ethernet can't failing
[03:30] <karljp> eddie: no.
[03:30] <Eddie> karljp: or quite possibly the wine
[03:31] <karljp> I'm thinking of martini,.
[03:31] <Nalioth> Absenth, why are you comiling it?
[03:31] <karljp> like martini rosso
[03:31] <karljp> or martini blanco
[03:31] <Nalioth> Absenth, why no binary?
[03:31] <karljp> which are alcoholic, but not a spirit
[03:31] <Xappe> Eddie: half a pint of gin, ice. open the martini bottle and close it again. enjoy!
[03:31] <Absenth> nalioth, told fink to go get etherape.  I guess it's a prereq I didn't have installed already.,
[03:31] <karljp> where I define spirit to be >35% or so.
[03:31] <Nalioth> so use finks apt-get
[03:32] <Absenth> Nalioth, no etherape binary,....  how can I stop the build that's in process without blowin gup the world?
[03:32] <karljp> also, I don't think you'll enamour yourself with .ie people by claiming that gin and martini is the irish way to drink :)
[03:32] <Drako60> where can i get kernel-source for 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic?
[03:32] <jordanau> Absenth, woah blue label is too much for a bourbon drinker
[03:33] <Absenth> jordanau, you could do red, or black label
[03:33] <jordanau> or gold
[03:33] <Eddie> karljp: by that definition a lot of spirits would be barely spirits
[03:33] <Xappe> isle whisky is the only way to go
[03:33] <Absenth> jordanau, or you could fall back on a bottle of Makers.
[03:33] <karljp> how many spirits aren't > 35%?
[03:33] <odyssey> this is so off topic
[03:33] <karljp> that you call spirits?
[03:33] <Eddie> karljp: true martini isnt a "true spirit" by the layman's definition, but its major components are highly distilled alcohol, making it spirits
[03:34] <karljp> what?
[03:34] <karljp> it's major component is water I'd say :)
[03:34] <thully> hi - have many people been asking gstreamer questions lately (because of the marillat breakage)?
[03:34] <Eddie> karljp: i didnt say arent, i said werent far from it, vodka is about 37 or so and 2% is nothing, bourbon is around the same, and id consider it strong
[03:34] <karljp> 37 is why I chose 35 :)
[03:35] <looksaus> does anyone know about ubuntu plans with eclipse?
[03:35] <Eddie> karljp: if youre ever in belfast email eddiebenton at gmail dot com, we could go drink, ive a feeling id very much enjoy your company
[03:35] <looksaus> with the recent evolution of the pydev plugin, it looks _excellent_
[03:35] <karljp> well, my hopefulyl new job has an office in dublin so it could happen :)
[03:35] <looksaus> and now that it should work out of the box with gcc 4.0...
[03:36] <karljp> though I've got a big list of .ie people to visit first :)
[03:36] <alvaro_> yo this is a pretty general question, if my cd player in my car doesn't play mp3s, does it play .WAV ?
[03:36] <Eddie> karljp: be sure to see some of the north, the antrim coast beats all of the south combined
[03:37] <thewarlok> alvaro_: You need to burn it as a music CD, not as data.
[03:37] <alvaro_> i do burn it as a music cd
[03:37] <thewarlok> hey, can anyone help me with my ipw2200 wireless problem?
[03:37] <alvaro_> or 'audio cd' under the k3b software
[03:37] <veritas> What does everything think of Fedora?
[03:37] <thewarlok> alvaro_ there's no .mp3 or .wav in an audio CD format.
[03:37] <gunny> alvaro_,  actually if you copy  a bunch of WAV files to a cd, they wil read a s cd tracks
[03:37] <Nalioth> veritas, what color fedora?
[03:37] <thully> yes - whether you're burning from .Wav or .MP3, as long as you're burning as music CD it should be OK
[03:37] <thewarlok> veritas. I just switched from fedora to this.
[03:38] <zenlunatic> Hi. How do you burn CDS in Warty Warthog?
[03:38] <Eddie> brb
[03:38] <karljp> eddie: well keep your fingers crossed for me getting the job then :;)
[03:38] <zenlunatic> I mean .iso?
[03:38] <veritas> What do you think Warlok?
[03:38] <alvaro_> the weird thing is that my stereo does play the mp3 cd but it doesn't work in my car
[03:38] <thewarlok> As soon as I get my wireless card working, it's better, but until then, it's not as good.
[03:38] <anto9us> how do I kill all processes with names matching a pattern?
[03:38] <veritas> Any more details?
[03:38] <Drako60> where does apt put kernel-header?
[03:38] <gunny> fedora imho is too much work to get setup and maintain I'm probably biased since I hate YUM with a passion
[03:39] <veritas> What do you like better, what do you dislike?
[03:39] <Urban-Fox> /usr/src/linux-$version
[03:39] <thully> zenlunatic: insert the CD and a nautilus CD burner window should pop up
[03:39] <Urban-Fox> T Drako60
[03:39] <Nalioth> alvaro_, different cd players react differently to burnt cds
[03:39] <thewarlok> It's got a lot more options during install, and I'm used to yum now, but apt is better.
[03:39] <veritas> YUM?
[03:39] <g14> gunny: The yum in fc4-test is much more similar to apt
[03:39] <thewarlok> What Fedora has instead of apt.
[03:39] <g14> gunny, as far as speed is concerned
[03:39] <Nalioth> veritas, yellowdog update manager
[03:39] <Drako60> i have nothing in /usr/src
[03:39] <zenlunatic> thully, thanks I'll try
[03:39] <veritas> What's APT :P
[03:39] <thewarlok> Ubuntu installing without emacs was a bit annoying, I'll admit.
[03:39] <gunny> g14,  that's nice to hear,
[03:40] <thully> veritas: I find that while Ubuntu has everything in one repository (or at least one server with 4 repositories), Fedora makes you wade through 13 different third party repos to find what you need
[03:40] <g14> gunny, I have this ubuntu desktop and a few fc4-test2 computers
[03:40] <g14> gunny, the new yum uses an embedded sqlite database
[03:40] <gunny> I am one of those people that think a unified packaging system will go a long way in spreading Linux
[03:40] <karljp> (why should what yum uses in its guts be relevant)
[03:41] <veritas> When I install something from the repostry, where does it install too
[03:41] <karljp> it doesn't matter :)
[03:41] <g14> karljp, because sqlite makes it run MUCH MUCH faster
[03:41] <gunny> dpends on what you install veritas
[03:41] <veritas> Kismet
[03:41] <Absenth> g14, tell us how you really feel :)
[03:41] <Drako60> i'm even trying with find ./ linux comes up with nothing
[03:41] <veritas> WiFi tool
[03:41] <thully> veritas: it usually is somewhere in /usr
[03:41] <karljp> gl4: then yo ushould say the new yum is much faster.
[03:41] <karljp> because that's what is relevant
[03:42] <veritas> Do I need to use sudo to run an application?
[03:42] <g14> karljp, moving from parsing gzipped headers to a small embedded database is a 20x speed increase
[03:42] <MindSpore> veritas: only if you want to run it as root
[03:42] <g14> karljp, I did
[03:42] <veritas> I'm missing the whole deal with using Sudo
[03:42] <karljp> no, you said the new version uses yum
[03:42] <veritas> Sudo is unique to Linux
[03:42] <anto9us> xmms is spawning a million processes on me, how do I kill it before it kills my session?
[03:42] <veritas> Unique to Ubuntu*
[03:42] <thewarlok> sudo runs a command as root.
[03:42] <gunny> veritas,  if the app needs access to system files yes but most apps you will install will run just fine with your normal user priv.s
[03:42] <veritas> What exactly does it do?
[03:42] <thewarlok> It's in every distro
[03:42] <fazer> anto9us: use the System Monitor
[03:42] <Nalioth> veritas, sudo is used in all unixes, not just linux
[03:42] <MindSpore> yeah, it's not unique to ubuntu
[03:42] <thechitowncubs> sudo is just protection
[03:42] <thewarlok> It's in most flavors of UNIX, too, IIRC.
[03:43] <fazer> anto9us: it's like window's ctrl + alt + del
[03:43] <thechitowncubs> more of a security feature then convienience...
[03:43] <Absenth> veritas, sudo isn't unique to unix.  Talk to an OS-X user.
[03:43] <veritas> While, why not just log in as root?
[03:43] <gunny> sudo is su do do something as superuser been around for a while
[03:43] <veritas> While = well*
[03:43] <thewarlok> OS-X is unix.
[03:43] <fazer> Isn't it OS X and not OS-X ?
[03:43] <Absenth> sorry, I think he said linux.....  *scrolls up*
[03:43] <thewarlok> whatever.
[03:43] <fazer> :P
[03:44] <fazer> thewarlok: got a mac?
[03:44] <thully> sudo is useful because it will allow you to enter multiple commands without logging on as root or entering your password before every command
[03:44] <thewarlok> veritas: Thou shalt not take the name of root in vain.
[03:44] <Drako60> OS X is BSD if i recall correctly
[03:44] <g14> karljp, actually, I said the new yum is much more like apt as far as speed is concerned. Try reading a bit more
[03:44] <gunny> because veritas it is very easy to break Linux if you don't know what you are doing
[03:44] <MindSpore> hehe
[03:44] <Absenth> God, Root......  What is differance?
[03:44] <veritas> I thought one of the major reason people use Linux is security
[03:44] <sbcl3> does anyone know how i access the "diveintopython" ebook?
[03:44] <g14> Drako60, correct. OS X is based off of FreeBSD
[03:44] <thewarlok> fazer: No, but my CS prof does, and I've seen him use it in a fashion pretty much identical to any UNIX i know. It's even got bash.
[03:44] <MindSpore> veritas: you are correct
[03:44] <anto9us> system monitor won't cut it, I need to kill them all on the command line, any ideas?
[03:44] <karljp> sbc google doesn't work for you?
[03:44] <gunny> killall xmms?
[03:44] <veritas> If I can run XP and haven't ever had a virus or anything, why would it be so flawed in Linux?
[03:45] <fazer> thewarlok: yeah, I heard its awesome.  So I think I am going ot be getting a mac before I go into Uni
[03:45] <veritas> XP always as adminstrator*
[03:45] <g14> sbcl3, firefox /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/toc/index.html
[03:45] <karljp> and #python didn't want to tell you?
[03:45] <MindSpore> veritas: flawed?
[03:45] <veritas> Flawed in its security
[03:45] <Eddie> killall -9 xmms if it proves a tad unresponsive to the previous attempt
[03:45] <thewarlok> fazer: The only probelm I have with macs are they're hella expensive.
[03:45] <gunny> Windows XP won't let you delete a running file/or a kernel/etc etc Linux will
[03:45] <Absenth> veritas, linux is more secure then windows,  but unlike windows "administrator"  Linux will allow you to rm -Rf / (and will do it untill it hits /dev at which point it'll likely complain.
[03:45] <anto9us> thanks gunny, that worked :)
[03:45] <veritas> What does that have to do with root?
[03:45] <fazer> thewarlok: yeah, that's true, BUT you can get a good discount after spending $99 for a Student Developer acount thingy
[03:46] <veritas> rm -Rf
[03:46] <Eddie> they try too hard to reinvent the wheel
[03:46] <Absenth> add, linux will allow "root"
[03:46] <gunny> anto9us,  woot
[03:46] <veritas> I'm very nub in Linux
[03:46] <RadHaz> Hello, everyone!
[03:46] <thewarlok> fazer: boy, I wish I had that.
[03:46] <g14> gunny: Like will not let you delete a running kernel unless you like to play around as root
[03:46] <sbcl3> g14: is it in pdf format anywhere?
[03:46] <Absenth> remove, recursive, force
[03:46] <g14> sbcl3, I
[03:46] <fazer> thewarlok: if you are in a college/uni, I think you can get a student membership, that gives you good discount on hardware
[03:46] <gunny> g14,  exactly
[03:46] <MindSpore> veritas: linux (as root) will do exactly what you tell it.. that's dangerous with someone that does not know what they are doing
[03:46] <g14> sbcl3, I'm not sure, try the site www.diveintopython.com
[03:46] <thewarlok> fazer: also, and this does not apply to everyone, but it does to me: you can't dual-boot to Windows to play games.
[03:46] <fazer> thewarlok: I think its upto 20% discount on Apple products
[03:46] <thewarlok> fazer: my uni discounts IBM thinkpads only.
[03:46] <sbcl3> i'm able to dual-boot windows...
[03:46] <fazer> thewarlok: oooo yeah, games is the killer.
[03:47] <gunny> I have a 400 mhz lombard lying around if anyone wants to buy it lol
[03:47] <Absenth> I have a funny "as root" story from my early days with linux.
[03:47] <veritas> So if I just want to install a program I downloaded in Ubuntu through root, and not have to go through all the sudo commands and repostry stuff, is that possible?
[03:47] <MindSpore> hehe
[03:47] <MindSpore> you can do sudo -s
[03:47] <thewarlok> fazer: and I didn't use the discount because I wanted something more powerful than a thinkpad
[03:47] <fazer> thewarlok: oh, no, you have to go to Apple, apply, *IF* they ask you to prove you are a Uni student, then you can send in a copy of your student ID or timetable
[03:47] <veritas> sudo -s?
[03:47] <veritas> I'm not in Ubuntu right now to man sudo :P
[03:47] <thewarlok> ah.
[03:47] <Nalioth> thewarlok, you go to an apple store or send them proof you are a  student, you get a discount
[03:47] <gunny> veritas, sudo synaptic and install to your hearts content
[03:47] <Eddie> veritas: linux doesnt have a "registry" in the same way a windows machine does
[03:47] <fazer> thewarlok: so pretty much any post-secondary institution in North America is eligible
[03:48] <veritas> What does a registry provide?
[03:48] <Drako60> i want to squeeze Nvidia's neck along with DFI's
[03:48] <Drako60> i have just done apt-get install linux-kernel-headers and apt-get install kernel-package but i do not have anything in /usr/src
[03:48] <gunny> evrything windows needs to run
[03:48] <thewarlok> thewarlok: nonetheless, it takes something on the order of a dual G5 with 8 gigs of ram to emulate, say HL2.
[03:48] <MindSpore> veritas: sudo -s will prevent you from having to type sudo before everything in terminal
[03:48] <veritas> If I'm getting to irritating just tell me to shut up
[03:48] <RadHaz> If anyone cane spare a newbie question, but Im currently losing a battle to the "make" command.  I am installing the correct wireless module but encountering an error when trying to "make"
[03:48] <Eddie> settings, in a single file in windows, in several files most under /etc/ in linux
[03:48] <Nalioth> veritas, one of unixes strengths is that most functions similar to the windoze registry reside in your home directory as a txt file
[03:48] <RadHaz> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build SUBDIRS=/ipw2200-1.0.3 modules is the first line
[03:48] <thully> thewarlok: go to apple's education site, put in your schools City and ZIP/postal code, and see if it appears on the list
[03:48] <sbcl3> how do i add app icons to more than 1 panel?
[03:48] <thewarlok> RadHaz: me too.
[03:48] <sbcl3> (how do i select the panel)?
[03:48] <RadHaz> make *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[03:48] <RadHaz> thats the second line
[03:48] <thewarlok> RadHaz: same EXACT error.
[03:49] <thully> not always being superuser just protects you from doing something bad to your PC or getting any type of virus/spyware (of which there are none on Linux
[03:49] <RadHaz> make: *** [modules]  Error 2 thats the third line
[03:49] <RadHaz> rofl warlok, this is bad huh
[03:49] <thewarlok> RadHaz: what kind of computer do you have?
[03:49] <veritas> Exactly
[03:49] <RadHaz> inspiron 9300
[03:49] <veritas> That's why I'm missing this whole sudo thin
[03:49] <Absenth> On RedHat 5.2 user root's home dir was /        I knew you weren't supposed to work as "root" just like on a windows machine you weren't suposed to work as "administrator" so like windows I set out to set a user up with root privs......  by copying the root user top to bottom in the /etc/passwd file.....  when I found out my user didn't have root privs, I used the deluser command to remove my user, and when it asked if I wanted to rem
[03:49] <Absenth> ove the users homedir, I said yes.....
[03:49] <veritas> g
[03:49] <g14> Eddie: Are you using linux currently?
[03:49] <Nalioth> thully, but if you are superuser, you are vulnerable
[03:49] <RadHaz> Warlok: you?
[03:49] <fazer> thewarlok: http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/buying/#ADCS <-- That doesn't only apply to Powerbooks ofcourse.
[03:49] <Absenth> a reboot later = os not found.
[03:49] <g14> Eddie: For the gnome desktop and most gnome applications, they use gconf
[03:49] <thewarlok> RadHaz: Uniwill N258KA0
[03:50] <Eddie> g14: nope, its a pain in the ass to get it working with my new lcd monitor, so i havent used it consistently since around 2000
[03:50] <thully> yes - but not any more than on Windows XP (unless you're running servers and have open ports)
[03:50] <Drako60>  i have just done apt-get install linux-kernel-headers and apt-get install kernel-package but i do not have anything in /usr/src
[03:50] <RadHaz> Thewarlok: I don't think its a hardware issue, im guessing its a permission or something
[03:50] <g14> Eddie: gconf aspires to be what the windows registry is not, easy to use
[03:50] <veritas> Ugh. I'm just so used to Windows simpleness
[03:50] <g14> Eddie: Download the ubuntu livecd and you will be impressed
[03:50] <Dizzy> Am I in the right channel for Ubuntu install issues ?
[03:50] <zenlunatic> thully: I put a blank cd in the drive and nautilus comes up with "CD/DVD Creator". I understand how to burn data from here but I don't understand how to burn a .iso onto a disc sucessfully. Does nautilus allow you to do this?
[03:50] <thewarlok> RadHaz: run iwconfig
[03:50] <thewarlok> tell me what it says
[03:50] <Licker> ok. I finally got Ubuntu installed. I installed the server setup. But its only the text form. Is there any way I can change this?
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: right click on iso
[03:50] <RadHaz> thewarlok: I have
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> zenlunatic: burn to disc
[03:50] <thewarlok> Do you have an eth1 device there?
[03:51] <zenlunatic> HrdwrBoB, Thanks.
[03:51] <RadHaz> tjewarlok: nope
[03:51] <Eddie> g14: ill partition and install anyway, just to give it a proper chance
[03:51] <veritas> Licker... Try apt-get desktop
[03:51] <thewarlok> me neither.
[03:51] <g14> zenlunatic: You should try out gnomebaker. It is the gnome equivalent of k3b
[03:51] <thewarlok> you just might be fucked.
[03:51] <g14> Eddie: You'll like it
[03:51] <natex> Drako60, what are you trying to do?
[03:51] <zenlunatic> Does sources.list work just like in debian?
[03:51] <gunny> yes zenlunatic
[03:51] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, yes
[03:51] <Absenth> zenlunatic Si
[03:51] <zenlunatic> cool
[03:51] <RadHaz> thewarlock: we could manually add it as an interface
[03:52] <Licker> veritas: its not installed. says Invalid operation desktop
[03:52] <JanC> Licker: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:52] <thewarlok> How do you do that?
[03:52] <Absenth> licker, what Janc said.
[03:52] <RadHaz> thewarlock: however, I dont know if thats the proper way or if ubuntu will even recognize it
[03:52] <veritas> Licker: I had the same problem but I forgot what I did to fix it
[03:52] <veritas> there you go :P
[03:52] <Drako60> natex, i'm trying to install NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0.0301-pkg1.run to get IDE and Sound drivers install
[03:52] <veritas> brb
[03:52] <RadHaz> thewarlock: give me a sec and ill give the file name
[03:52] <thewarlok> (The thing that bugs me the most is that Fedora didn't give me the smallest amount of bullshit over ipw2200. After yum upgrade, that is)
[03:52] <Absenth> veritas, insert "install" after apt-get, before package name
[03:52] <Dizzy> I'm having issues trying to install Ubuntu on my Gateway M675 Laptop.  It starts to install, then the screen goes blank.  Any suggestions?
[03:53] <Licker> ok thanx
[03:53] <sbcl3> probably something with the x server
[03:53] <carlos__> wtf
[03:53] <Drako60> natex, and the install says it requires kernel-source and kernel-headers because it has to compile a kernel interface for the modules to be installed
[03:53] <Licker> ewww. GateWay sux.  :p
[03:54] <Dizzy> Yeah well, my biz bought it, and it was cheap, so I can't complain :)
[03:54] <zenlunatic> WHere are the apt sources listed I want to install kismet and ethereal?
[03:54] <RadHaz> thewarlok: nevermind, it appears ubuntu doesnt use the /etc/rc.conf file :(
[03:54] <Nalioth> veritas try "man apt-get" from a terminal
[03:54] <Dizzy> It plays World of Warcraft ;p
[03:54] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, huh?
[03:54] <neighborlee> RadHaz, your thinking of arch LOL
[03:54] <snake> hi, how can I make konqueror my default file manager?
[03:54] <Absenth> licker, since gateway buys their notebooks from the same place dell, and toshiba get theirs,,,,,,  what would you prefer?
[03:54] <RadHaz> neighborlee yes i guess i am
[03:54] <Dizzy> Dell and Gateway have crap support too.
[03:54] <neighborlee> RadHaz, np..its pretty kewl admittedly
[03:55] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, I want to know what to put in my sources.list. WHere are they listed online?
[03:55] <snake> does anyone know?
[03:55] <g14> HP claims to support Linux 100% on all of their hardware
[03:55] <RadHaz> neighborlee, i just spent 3 days battling that distro for wifi and failed.  I switched to ubuntu last night and im failing with this distro too
[03:55] <Dizzy> 4 hours on the phone, and the Dell guys that my LCD monitor was not made to have two computers hooked to it...  Moron, then why are there 6 inputs!
[03:55] <neighborlee> RadHaz, simple and less to keep track of at least ;-)
[03:55] <neighborlee> RadHaz, :(ack indeed
[03:55] <Nalioth> ?? restricted
[03:55] <doug__> Can anyone provide some very basic help please?
[03:55] <gunny> snake, just use kde its the default there :)
[03:55] <g14> I have a pavilion zd7000 laptop I paid $2700 for that works 100%
[03:55] <RadHaz> neighborlee: im too much of a newbie to use arch rofl
[03:55] <Nalioth> damn bot aint her
[03:55] <Nalioth> e
[03:55] <Absenth> dizzy, we have great gateway support.  I call the 800#, plug in my 16 digit code, tell the guy on the phone that X is broke, send me a new one, and tomorow it's here.,
[03:55] <thegreedyturtle> zenlunatic, you can check ubuntuguide.org for some or go to the wiki at BreakMyUbuntu for some repositories that are a little bit out there
[03:55] <neighborlee> RadHaz, lol yeah it can be grueling if your a total newbie
[03:55] <g14> Execept for the sd cards because there isn't an open source driver for
[03:55] <RadHaz> neighborlee: but right now im having issues trying to get "make" to work
[03:56] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, google ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[03:56] <neighborlee> RadHaz, and even if your not..so DONT feel bad <wink>
[03:56] <thegreedyturtle> ?? test
[03:56] <doug__> I'm having trouble adding repositories
[03:56] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, it'll give you a nice list
[03:56] <neighborlee> RadHaz, I will PM you one sec
[03:56] <snake> gunny, I like the rest of the gnome interface better
[03:56] <RadHaz> neighborlee: thanks neighbor
[03:56] <Nalioth> doug__, how are you tryin to add?
[03:56] <Dizzy> absenth: A small 3 person company doesn't get much clout
[03:56] <thegreedyturtle> what's your issue doug__
[03:56] <thegreedyturtle> we needs the gritty
[03:56] <doug__> the guide said to right click and click scripts>open as root
[03:56] <doug__> but scripts is not an option when i right click
[03:56] <thegreedyturtle> which guide?
[03:57] <doug__> talking about source.list
[03:57] <thegreedyturtle> ah i got you covered here
[03:57] <Dizzy> So any ideas on why my screen goes dead on install?  It seems that it dies when it's suppose to come up with the first menu to select menu or something
[03:57] <Dizzy> er select language
[03:58] <Nalioth> doug__, i always find it best to edit the actual sources.list
[03:58] <doug__> i'm trying to edit it, but i cant seem to open it as root....
[03:58] <doug__> and so i can't write to it...
[03:58] <thegreedyturtle> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowCome >> run a search for chmod -R and right beneath that you'll see a Tip : on how to set up the Open as Root script
[03:58] <doug__> kk, thanks much turtle =)
[03:59] <doug__> think i just skipped ahead too far =)
[03:59] <Absenth> dizzy, i know on the ibook I had to offer a parm to change the video mode.  although I'm sure the parameter on a ppc notebook won't apply on a X86 install.  Sorry.
[03:59] <natex> Drako60, just install linux-headers
[03:59] <thegreedyturtle> you might want to read up starting from The Command Promt if you ar still confused :)
[03:59] <thegreedyturtle> were you reading that guide? or ubuntuguide?
[03:59] <Nalioth> doug are you familiar with the terminal?
[03:59] <Absenth> alright 'I'm going to take a break,  see everyone later.
[03:59] <Drako60> thank you natex
[03:59] <thegreedyturtle> NO NO BREAK FOR YOU!
[04:00] <Nalioth> l8r, Absenth
[04:00] <thegreedyturtle> MUST BE ON UBUNTU CHANNEL FOR LIFE, FOR LOVE AND.. damn we lost another one
[04:00] <doug__> i was reading the one you're talking about, but i read it yesterday at work, and couldn't do it as i read
[04:00] <josh42> Has anyone here tried to export emails to an imap server? (like, over 5000 in a single account)
[04:00] <doug__> so now i thought i would skip ahead...
[04:00] <thegreedyturtle> you'll have to tell me if you like it- i wrote it meself
[04:00] <Nalioth> doug__, are you familiar with the "sudo" command as used in the terminal?
[04:00] <doug__> i'v read about it
[04:02] <Nalioth> doug__, from the terminal you should use the "sudo" command to open your sources.list in your favorite text editor
[04:02] <MindSpore> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list <----- something like that
[04:02] <doug__> k, i'll give it a shot.  Just need to remember hwo to do that =)  cool, thanks spore
[04:02] <Marble2> How can I change the logo that shows up at the lock screen prompt?
[04:03] <MindSpore> np doug
[04:03] <fazer> Marble2: hmm, good questoin, I think I saw an option for that when in Xfce
[04:03] <XplOzIon> how can i restore /usr/ folder permisions??
[04:04] <Nalioth> teach a man to fish, he eats forever
[04:04] <karljp> chmod -R 777 /usr/*
[04:04] <MindSpore> Nalioth: teach a man to fish, he drinks alot of beer
[04:04] <Cowlike> 777?
[04:04] <fazer> Nalioth: and are you sure its forever?
[04:04] <jordanau> Nalioth, teach a man to fish and ruin a perfectly goo business opportunity
[04:04] <XplOzIon> karljp, 777 would give permisions to every one
[04:04] <hyphenated> XplOzIon: how did you break it all?
[04:04] <Nalioth> fazer until the old SOB cant' lift the rod anymore
[04:04] <jordanau> goo/good
[04:05] <MindSpore> fazer: at least until there's no more fish
[04:05] <Cowlike> not good when the world can overwrite critical files!
[04:05] <fazer> what if all the fish die? or he dies? or if a big shark bites his hand
[04:05] <fazer> ah yeah
[04:05] <fazer> heh
[04:05] <XplOzIon> hyphenated, some friend did chown -R xplozion:xplozion /usr/
[04:05] <Nalioth> i believe the best way to help someone learn their linux, is to show them how to learn their linux
[04:05] <jordanau> Nalioth, i agree
[04:05] <XplOzIon> hyphenated, how can i restore it?
[04:05] <hyphenated> XplOzIon: are you sure that 'friend' wasn't you?
[04:05] <fazer> By yelling "RTFM!" is as start =/
[04:05] <MindSpore> Nalioth: but examples go a long way
[04:05] <XplOzIon> hyphenated, hehe yeah
[04:05] <jordanau> Cowlike, 777 is permission stuff, you want me to explain it to you?
[04:05] <XplOzIon> hyphenated, i know doing that would mess sudo
[04:06] <Cowlike> jord, i know permissions as well as anyone here :0
[04:06] <Cowlike> 777 is just plain wrong on /usr
[04:06] <zenlunatic> anyone know where to get kismet for warty warthog?
[04:06] <Nalioth> some of these peeps are given the same example time and time again
[04:06] <fazer> Cowlike: oh really? made anything interesting?
[04:07] <XplOzIon> hyphenated, any idea how to fix it?
[04:07] <MindSpore> .... /usr should be: drwxr-xr-x
[04:07] <Cowlike> corporate programmer, internal stuff :)
[04:07] <jordanau> Cowlike, damn that is one of the few things i know and can answer, can i explain it anyway and pretend you don't know? :D
[04:07] <Cowlike> haha   np jordanau
[04:07] <fazer> Cowlike: neat
[04:07] <MindSpore> i can program Hello World in 10 different languages!
[04:08] <Cowlike> i can SAY hello in 3 :)
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[04:08] <XplOzIon> help anyone?
[04:08] <jordanau> MindSpore, other than english, what other languages ?? j/k
[04:08] <Dizzy> I think I can say Hello in 5 :)
[04:08] <hyphenated> XplOzIon: well, it's quite hard to fix. you can either reinstall lots of programs using dpkg to force binaries to be overwritten (with the correct permissions)
[04:08] <MindSpore> jordanau, lol
[04:08] <Dizzy> English, Bad English, Worse English, Ebonics, and "White Chic"
[04:08] <Dizzy> ;p
[04:08] <fazer> I can say anything in any language that is supported by Google translator  TOP THAT!
[04:08] <MindSpore> pig latin
[04:09] <hyphenated> XplOzIon: or you can chown everything back to root:root and then afterward, fix the ones that aren't normally owned by root. both are pretty messy fixes
[04:09] <MindSpore> fazer: what if you're offline?
[04:09] <fazer> MindSpore: then I case a distraction and run away
[04:09] <fazer> *cause
[04:09] <MindSpore> lol
[04:09] <fazer> ;)
[04:09] <hyphenated> for example, crontab needs to be owned by root:crontab for it to work properly
[04:09] <MindSpore> i'd just format and re-install
[04:10] <MindSpore> lol
[04:10] <XplOzIon> hyphenated, damn its a long way... thanks for the help hyphenated
[04:10] <Drako60> oh goody get to have my ethernet forced off
[04:10] <XplOzIon> MindSpore, i would to but how to mount an hdd with all this messed?
[04:10] <MindSpore> redo partitions?
[04:10] <MindSpore> oh, you have no hdd?
[04:10] <MindSpore> sorry wasn't paying attention
[04:11] <XplOzIon> MindSpore, i mean, i want to mount an hdd, its pluged and all and its /dev/hdd1 and i want to mount it now to backup some data to format the main hdd
[04:11] <danko123456> when someone says gnome development tools, what do you think it is? is there like a one thing that can be called that?
[04:12] <carlos__> some body know who can i see one pc whit fedora core from other pc whit ubuntu
[04:12] <Dizzy> Sigh
[04:12] <Dizzy> I really don't want to have to give up on installing Linux because of this stupid video issue
[04:12] <natex> carlos, see?
[04:12] <doug__> OK, i am trying to go through the ubuntu how come guide, but when it tells me to right click anywhere on the desktop and navigate to scripts, i can't find scripts anywhere
[04:12] <jordanau> carlos, as in network?
[04:12] <carlos__> yes
[04:13] <XplOzIon> MindSpore, any idea in how to do what i said?
[04:13] <natex> carlos, tell us what you want to do
[04:13] <Drako60> oh this is just getting to be annoying
[04:13] <Drako60> what is the libc header package called?
[04:13] <Drako60> libc6-headers?
[04:13] <mebaran151> libc6-dev probably
[04:13] <doug__> I managed to open it from a terminal, now it is just a matter of finding out what i'm doing wrong in the guide...
[04:13] <Drako60> thank you
[04:13] <jordanau> doug__, can you link me to it?
[04:13] <RadHaz> Does anyone here have the intel ipw2200 module installed?
[04:13] <doug__> I'm an IRC noob, no idea how to do that...
[04:14] <warty> hey guys
[04:14] <Marble2> how can I set my desktop to rotate betwen random images in a directory every X minutes ?
[04:14] <Drako60> well my ethernet going down is easier on me now that i know what mod it uses
[04:14] <danko123456> just paste a link here
[04:14] <doug__> all i can do is type into the box =)
[04:14] <doug__> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowCome
[04:14] <danko123456> type the URL into the box:P
[04:14] <jordanau> doug__, i mean copy and paste the link of the site you are looking at
[04:14] <warty> my frist time on linux
[04:14] <danko123456> hi, warty
[04:14] <josh42> Can anyone tell me how to do an OSX-style panel along the top? (EG: a panel that gets replaced by the file/edit/view menus of the current app) - I know gnome used to do it..
[04:14] <jordanau> warty, congratulations!!!!
[04:14] <doug__> now that i can do =)
[04:14] <natex> welcome warty
[04:14] <jordanau> 111
[04:14] <warty> yep its cool
[04:15] <warty> but now i need to learn it
[04:15] <doug__> about halfway down, under users and groups
[04:15] <danko123456> so, which part, doug?
[04:15] <jordanau> warty,  www.tldp.org
[04:15] <danko123456> kk
[04:15] <josh42> warty - Thankfully, you chose the best version
[04:15] <warty> k
[04:15] <doug__> right above "Working with Programs: Installing and Uninstalling"
[04:15] <carlos__> well I have 2 pc one have ubunto and other whit fedora core  and I cen see in network
[04:15] <doug__> there's an example box that i am trying to follow
[04:15] <Marble2> how can I set my desktop to rotate betwen random images in a directory every X minutes ?
[04:16] <warty> what makes this one so good
[04:16] <danko123456> above it, doug?
[04:16] <josh42> warty - it's easy to use, nice, and has an awesome community
[04:16] <danko123456> above working with programs?
[04:16] <natex> warty, it does alot of things automatic for you (compared with other distros)
[04:16] <jordanau> doug__, url?
[04:16] <zenlunatic> how do you update the application menu in gnome to show all the programs available on the system?
[04:16] <doug__> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowCome
[04:16] <Cowlike> warty, the things i like are easy install, good h/w detection, easy to update, new software
[04:16] <danko123456> right...
[04:16] <Drako60> what happened to my xchat default black theme?
[04:17] <danko123456> Make a new directory here and name it rooted. Now go up a directory, right click on your home directory (named after your username) and select Scripts -> Open as root.??
[04:17] <warty> cool i am just useing the live verson
[04:17] <josh42> zenlunatic; there is nothing like that
[04:17] <jordanau> doug__, now where are you stuck?
[04:17] <warty> i have not loaded it yte
[04:17] <warty> yet
[04:17] <Cowlike> oh, and a very good community :)
[04:17] <doug__> right under the example box, it says to right click on the desktop and navigate to "scripts"
[04:17] <Cowlike> lots of helpful folks here
[04:17] <danko123456> hehe
[04:17] <danko123456> we wish
[04:17] <zenlunatic> josh42, what if i install fluxbox?
[04:17] <doug__> i don't get that option
[04:17] <natex> carlos, you need to tell us "how" you want to network the two computers. Remote Desktop? or File Server? or how?
[04:18] <danko123456> douig...
[04:18] <josh42> zenlunatic; the problem is, that because of it's history, there are more than a couple places to put programs, and lots of commandline apps that would get put in.. you would be looking at a single menu of 150+ items with names like "gkrell"
[04:18] <doug__> i saved the file "Open as root" after copying and pasteing the example box into it, then tried to find "scripts"
[04:18] <danko123456> they are talking about in a nautilus
[04:19] <danko123456> not on the desktop
[04:19] <zenlunatic> josh42, ah i see
[04:19] <thegreedyturtle> rightclick on the desktop and there's a scripts in the drop down menu
[04:19] <Nalioth> i have a question...can someone send me to a FAQ on how to make debian/ubuntu pkgs from source?
[04:19] <carlos__> file server
[04:19] <danko123456> thegreedyturtle: not really
[04:19] <doug__> i see "open terminal... open folder... and a few other things, but no scripts
[04:20] <jordanau> doug__, i dont see it either
[04:20] <thegreedyturtle> more detail danko?
[04:20] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, apt-build IIRC
[04:20] <thegreedyturtle> huh, that's interestin'
[04:20] <doug__> i tried doing it in a nautilus window, but didn't see it there either
[04:20] <thegreedyturtle> also interestin
[04:20] <thegreedyturtle> but fixable
[04:20] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, apt-build WHAT?
[04:20] <danko123456> doug__: have yyou went through all the stuff from before, in the howCome?
[04:20] <thegreedyturtle> out of curiosity, what version of ubuntu y'all got?
[04:20] <Nalioth> hoary
[04:20] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, google it
[04:20] <jordanau> hoary
[04:20] <thegreedyturtle> naw i'll tell'im
[04:21] <danko123456> me 2
[04:21] <doug__> i'll look back through it and make sure i didnt miss anything
[04:21] <natex> doug__, did you put the script into the right directory?
[04:21] <karljp> anyone know how to use gcalctool to change a number from decimal to hex?
[04:21] <thegreedyturtle> you didn't miss anything, and i should know :) i assumed that the scripts option was there when i wrote it
[04:21] <doug__> i saved it to desktop
[04:21] <hybrid> hi there
[04:21] <karljp> just clickin gthe hex radio button doesn't actually change anything
[04:22] <thegreedyturtle> open a nautilus window, and in the location bar put ~/.gnome2/
[04:22] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, that is good. i use apt-build already. there is some thing call dh_make or some other command
[04:22] <carlos__> natex I what my network whit file server
[04:22] <thegreedyturtle> the ~ will expand out to your home folder
[04:22] <hybrid> who is familiar in wine? we need help pls
[04:22] <areyes> hi.. if I want to compile vmware modules from a clean ubutu instalation? which packages corresponding to the linux kernel source should I install?
[04:22] <thegreedyturtle> tell me if there's a folder in there named nautilus-scripts
[04:22] <jordanau> thegreedyturtle, you wrote it :)
[04:22] <thegreedyturtle> yep
[04:22] <thegreedyturtle> :)
[04:23] <doug__> i must be all messed up, i dont even have a location bar in my nautilus window =p
[04:23] <hybrid> bakit walang pumapansin sa kin?
[04:23] <danko123456> yeah, there is no such thing...
[04:23] <g14> bluefoxicy: ping!
[04:23] <thegreedyturtle> ok well -make it
[04:23] <hybrid> i need help in wine! please...
[04:23] <hybrid> any expert here using wine??!!
[04:23] <danko123456> heh
[04:24] <karljp> just drinking it
[04:24] <warty> what is wine
[04:24] <jordanau> hybrid, i am sure if anyone here is, they will say so
[04:24] <spartacus> hybrid, tell us your problem
[04:24] <danko123456> are you an expert?
[04:24] <danko123456> haha
[04:24] <danko123456> jj
[04:24] <hybrid> windows emulator
[04:24] <GHOSTless> How should I go about exiting gnome and running fluxbox?
[04:24] <shad0w1e> hi, I'm trying to get my dual display setup working correctly, but windows keep appearing split across my two screens. a.k.a. Linux thinks I'm running ONE 2048x768 screen. anyone know how to fix this?
[04:24] <thegreedyturtle> doug, you mighta skipped the tip in there that sez to go to a nautilus edit>preferences behaviour tab and check always open in browser windowsopen
[04:24] <jordanau> warty, it emulates windows
[04:24] <Nechushtan> mdz: for the ide bug I submitted, should I do those commands with my modules workaround?
[04:24] <danko123456> anyhow, wine is not an emulator.
[04:24] <doug__> thats the home folder right?  all i have in tehre is my desktop
[04:24] <blueyed> any LILO experts around? I've apt-get installed linux-686, which also configured lilo in some way (at least it said so, but there were no changes in lilo.conf), and now I'm missing /boot/boot-menu.b, where /boot/boot.b symlinks to.
[04:24] <danko123456> hit ctrl+shift+h
[04:24] <jordanau> danko123456, oh yeah thats right...
[04:24] <thegreedyturtle> shad0w1e, I also have dual screens and it'll be like that, sorry mate
[04:25] <spartacus> shad0w1e, sounds like a window manager issue
[04:25] <GHOSTless> How should I go about exiting gnome and running fluxbox?
[04:25] <g14> blueyed, ubuntu uses grub
[04:25] <blueyed> I know it was there, because it's in locate's db..
[04:25] <hybrid> i'm using the 20040408 build, but the thing is i am having a big headache installing IE6
[04:25] <shad0w1e> well, any suggestions?
[04:25] <blueyed> g14, I've dist-upgraded woody.
[04:25] <thegreedyturtle> ok doug, the reason is because any file that starts with a . is a hidden file
[04:25] <spartacus> shad0w1e, hmm. which wm do we use now?
[04:25] <danko123456> jordanau: I said that before you said yours, I mean, I hadnt read yours befiore I said that, and I only said it cause that is what the abreviation means.
[04:25] <shad0w1e> kwin?
[04:25] <g14> blueyed, oh, sorry
[04:25] <danko123456> hahaha
[04:25] <doug__> k, looking
[04:25] <danko123456> you really area a hybrid...
[04:25] <spartacus> shad0w1e, kbuntu?
[04:25] <shad0w1e> it didnt work on gnome either
[04:25] <jordanau> hybrid, you are installing internet explorer on a linux machine?
[04:25] <shad0w1e> spartacus: yes
[04:25] <danko123456> he is running linux, and wine, and wants to install IE6...
[04:25] <GHOSTless> How should I go about exiting gnome and running fluxbox?
[04:26] <danko123456> come on....
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> so you either gotta show hidden files, in view menu, or go to it directly
[04:26] <shad0w1e> which idiot would want internet explorer?
[04:26] <hybrid> yup jordanau
[04:26] <jordanau> danko123456, i am glad you corrected me
[04:26] <MindSpore> danko: that's the worst idea i've ever heard
[04:26] <danko123456> I did not...
[04:26] <blueyed> g14, so any LILO expert around? Might be safer to install grub then before I can _again_ not boot.
[04:26] <bluefoxicy> g14:  what
[04:26] <danko123456> told you, I read that after I wrote mine...
[04:26] <doug__> there is a folder called nautilus scripts
[04:26] <g14> GHOSTless, why don't you post to a forum or try google
[04:26] <spartacus> shad0w1e, ok. i don't use it too much, but kde channel should be able to help with xinerama probelms
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> there is eh?
[04:26] <hybrid> i'm just trying out things to work...
[04:26] <shad0w1e> spartacus: its not like its working on GNOME either...
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> doug__, try putting the script in there
[04:26] <GHOSTless> g14, i tried google but with not much luck
[04:26] <doug__> is that where i should have saved the open as root file?
[04:26] <danko123456> so how do you need help then?
[04:26] <spartacus> GHOSTless, select it on the login sfreen under session
[04:26] <hybrid> you know... exploring the world of linux and its capabilities
[04:26] <thegreedyturtle> yeah
[04:26] <danko123456> its a trivial thing, youll never use...
[04:26] <shad0w1e> GNOME uses metacity I believe...
[04:27] <danko123456> right...
[04:27] <GHOSTless> spartacus, thanks
[04:27] <danko123456> I dont suggest IE...
[04:27] <g14> bluefoxicy: Are you the PAX evangelist I read about on LKML and got into an argument on wikipedia (NX) about?
[04:27] <danko123456> I mean, i did not like it in windows...
[04:27] <jordanau> danko123456, haha agreed
[04:27] <danko123456> No, really..
[04:27] <hybrid> i need to know if there are thing that should be changed in the config file in order to run IE6
[04:27] <danko123456> he is having a big headache installing IE6, through wine in linux...
[04:27] <thegreedyturtle> but you have to make sure that it is executable, so right click the script when you put it there, and then permissions tab and check all three  execute boxes
[04:27] <jordanau> hybrid, IE is so ingrained in windows that sounds like a very difficult thing to do
[04:27] <danko123456> not sure, sorry, hybrid.
[04:28] <lexhider> debs for packages that installed yesterday are no longer in /var/cache/apt/archives, is there some automagic removal I'm not aware of?
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> danko123456, did you ever get the Scripts thing to work?
[04:28] <hybrid> yeah! thanks
[04:28] <warty> WHY IS LINUX FREE
[04:28] <danko123456> I am not trying, that guy doug is...
[04:28] <danko123456> rtfm
[04:28] <danko123456> haha
[04:28] <shad0w1e> people HATE IE
[04:28] <danko123456> im evil tonight
[04:28] <shad0w1e> why would you try it on linux?
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> warty, because there's a lot of bored geeks that can't get any action
[04:28] <danko123456> exadctly...
[04:28] <shad0w1e> not that I think its even possible...
[04:28] <doug__> yay! i have scripts!
[04:28] <danko123456> not a bad anbswer.
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> danko123456, i thought you were workin on it too
[04:28] <danko123456> pretty good, doug.
[04:28] <thegreedyturtle> doug__, :)
[04:29] <g14> warty, It is this thing called open source
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> g14:  yeah why?
[04:29] <danko123456> Yeah, for him..
[04:29] <jordanau> warty, read up on gnu/gpl
[04:29] <hybrid> we're doing a project, and we just want to make fun using IE6
[04:29] <doug__> thanks alot! feeling much better now!
[04:29] <warty> k
[04:29] <danko123456> make fun? like produce it?
[04:29] <shad0w1e> i think your project is gonna fail
[04:29] <g14> bluefoxicy: Just curious, I'm probably going to ask you some Pax questions down the road
[04:29] <warty> ok
[04:29] <thegreedyturtle> y' welcome, i think i'll update that how come a bit
[04:29] <bluefoxicy> kay
[04:29] <shad0w1e> I know you can run the windows Firefox browser on linux... I did that
[04:29] <danko123456> youre welcome, doug...we feel much better 2:)
[04:29] <jordanau> warty, that explains a lot about open source software
[04:30] <shad0w1e> but IE is a whole different story
[04:30] <warty> what gnu/gpl
[04:30] <hybrid> its not a project about IE but a project about linux and wine...
[04:30] <shad0w1e> I also got mIRC to work. linux
[04:30] <shad0w1e> winzip, winrar
[04:30] <jordanau> warty, the liscence that open source software is published under
[04:30] <shad0w1e> but IE is a WHOLE different story
[04:30] <warty> ok
[04:30] <MindSpore> is there something similar to Daemon Tools for linux?
[04:30] <warty> do not know what the hell your talking about
[04:30] <warty> but ok
[04:30] <josh42> IE is a different story because they use windows bits they havn't told /anyone/ about yet
[04:30] <danko123456> it is free cause the person that builds it has another source of income...and did this as a hobby....
[04:31] <warty> i am a wendows man
[04:31] <g14> warty: Imagine this... You have a guy that makes something small for himself. It works and he likes it. He releases it to everyone else for free with the source code
[04:31] <hybrid> IE, compared to other windows apps, is a different story. it is very easy to install other apps but not IE esp. IE6
[04:31] <hybrid> i mean windows apps on linux
[04:31] <natex> MindSpore, mount -o loop some.iso /mnt/loop
[04:31] <jordanau> warty, i thought you were running linux right now
[04:31] <warty> k
[04:31] <g14> warty: Those people take the source code and make it better because they want to add features that they will use
[04:31] <danko123456> and he knew he could never do it huimself, so he made all his work public...and asked others using his code to do so as well.
[04:31] <danko123456> taht is the linux side
[04:31] <warty> i am
[04:31] <danko123456> the OS is GNU/Linux...
[04:31] <shad0w1e> basiccaly, programs that dont need to be installed, and can just run, are a good bet on wine
[04:31] <g14> warty: More and more people contribute until it is something great
[04:31] <jordanau> warty, do you loke it?
[04:31] <warty> and i made a bet with my paster
[04:32] <danko123456> Linux is the kernel part, the software is GNU
[04:32] <danko123456> and so on, goes the story.
[04:32] <danko123456> :P
[04:32] <spartacus> i've got a sound problem. desktop clicks and beeps works great through esd. but i want to use alsa for output from xine and xmms and similar. for some reason, esd needs to be killed to let apps access alsa. any way to make it all play nicely?
[04:32] <jordanau> warty, a gambling pastor haha
[04:32] <shad0w1e> well yes, the GNU kernel I hear is buggy
[04:32] <warty> yep
[04:32] <g14> warty: It gets so great that big corporations like IBM, CISCO, HP, Compaq, and others hire programmers to make it better full time
[04:32] <josh42> anyone know why hoary doesn't come with wine preconfigured?
[04:32] <g14> warty: That is why linux is free
[04:32] <karljp> spartacus, there's something on the restricted formats wiki about that
[04:32] <karljp> you need to modify the esd conf file to have it close when it's not in use
[04:32] <natex> g14 tucks in the kids
[04:32] <karljp> instead of staying open and holding the sound card device
[04:32] <warty> he bet me that for my frist desk job that i will sit down to a linux computer
[04:33] <g14> lol at natex
[04:33] <nate_> josh42: its not too commonly used and possibly couldn't get permission from the wine people?
[04:33] <hybrid> anyone using an Asus p4s800 mobo around here? got a prob with my built-in sound card.
[04:33] <warty> so i gess if i am i better lean it
[04:33] <warty> lol
[04:33] <nate_> josh42: usually its gamers that use it, and thats cedega
[04:33] <g14> warty: Download the ubuntu live cd and play with it
[04:33] <danko123456> not sure I like your story...
[04:33] <nate_> warty: download ubuntu and play! :)
[04:33] <danko123456> g14...
[04:33] <warty> thats what i am doing
[04:33] <daryl_> Look's like I came to the right spot.  I just finally got linux up and running for the 1st time!
[04:34] <danko123456> does not explain it completely.
[04:34] <g14> danko123456: well why don't you improve upon it instead of complaining
[04:34] <warty> but have no clue what the hell i am doing
[04:34] <natex> hey warty i highly recommend linux book.
[04:34] <danko123456> just says why it is great,,
[04:34] <warty> YEAH
[04:34] <g14> danko123456: I was giving a very very basic overview for someone who didn't understand why it is free
[04:34] <nate_> daryl_: congratulations on the first step to a perilous and wonderful journey frought with surprises and danger
[04:34] <danko123456> it is free cause the first person that came up with the idea(FSF) made a license...
[04:34] <daryl_> lol
[04:34] <danko123456> and so on, you know the story,.
[04:34] <daryl_> I'm not that worried.
[04:34] <spartacus> karljp, thanks. i've been able to use eSound output. i read that xine can have sync problems with esd though
[04:35] <nate_> daryl_: that may be your undoing
[04:35] <mebaran151> esd is shitty
[04:35] <nate_> daryl_: ;)
[04:35] <daryl_> lol
[04:35] <spartacus> i'm really looking for a way to make gnome use alsa, i think
[04:35] <mebaran151> arent we all on polyaudio now
[04:35] <nate_> esd suuuuucks
[04:35] <mebaran151> gnome has to use esd
[04:35] <g14> danko123456: Well why don't you quit complaining and say it in an easy to understand manner so the newb can understand it
[04:35] <mebaran151> because esd is like higher level alsa
[04:35] <danko123456> well, no, its cool, and all,..jsut saying that it says more about why it is so good, and at such a high level as it is now, more so then why it is free.
[04:35] <hybrid> thanks guys for ur help... i think i need to do more research on wine itself...
[04:35] <hybrid> bye
[04:35] <daryl_> The only thing that's getting me so far is learning all this new vocab
[04:35] <danko123456> i wrote it...
[04:35] <lexhider> any clues on files being deleted in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[04:35] <spartacus> mebaran151, so there's no way to make them play nice?
[04:35] <shad0w1e> wine works out of the box
[04:35] <shad0w1e> cedega doesnt
[04:35] <danko123456> no hard feelings, g14...
[04:35] <g14> lol
[04:36] <g14> danko123456: Ok, I don't mind critisizm.
[04:36] <thewarlok> shad0wle: that depends on your definition of "works"
[04:36] <shad0w1e> well, yes
[04:36] <g14> If you criticize me, you need to have a solution :P
[04:36] <danko123456> yeah, just pointed out how it went sluightly off target.
[04:36] <danko123456> I told you...
[04:36] <shad0w1e> I mean "sort of" works
[04:36] <karljp> no we don't.
[04:36] <shad0w1e> wheras cedega wont run at all
[04:36] <karljp> this is the internet, we can just criticise :)
[04:36] <nate_> g14: that would be logical, what nonsense ;P
[04:36] <danko123456> just point out the license in your story...that prohibited the people that later did o\work on it to make it private, and closed source...
[04:36] <josh42> nate_; I just want to run the radmin client, and having a heck of a time getting wine in
[04:37] <warty> what do people use for linux for the downloading music
[04:37] <mebaran151> spartacus, gnome on my system is decent
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> warty: wget
[04:37] <mebaran151> I run a relatively high end box
[04:37] <thewarlok> shad0wle: I've heard of people getting it to work, and with more stuff, too. But, I mean, if you're going to use closed source, why not just dual-boot with Windows?
[04:37] <mebaran151> but it is fine
[04:37] <nate_> spartacus: use this to fix up ESD, do #3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:37] <josh42> they should put it in just for me.. breezy here I come ;)
[04:37] <g14> ok well the linux creator released linux under a license created by Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation that mandates the open distribution of the source code (software blueprints)
[04:37] <danko123456> HrdwrBoB: wget? really?
[04:37] <natex> thewarlok, cost?
[04:37] <warty> now would i google that
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> danko123456: I like wget :)
[04:37] <nate_> josh42: whats radmin?
[04:37] <danko123456> doesnt matter...
[04:37] <karljp> warlok: closed source doesn't have to mean windows
[04:37] <g14> This allowed anyone who wanted to add a feature to linux to freely do so provided that they release the code back to the community
[04:38] <thewarlok> natex: ha! the only CDs that are more prolific than windows CDs are those AOL CDs.
[04:38] <karljp> why can't I just use linux as an OS, and run closed source apps?
[04:38] <g14> danko123456: Happy now? :)
[04:38] <josh42> nate_ ; remote windows admin tool.. alot better than anything else I've used
[04:38] <karljp> I'd be happy to pay for them.
[04:38] <danko123456> yeah, but that is only the linux side...
[04:38] <josh42> nate_; www.radmin.com
[04:38] <danko123456> no talk about the GNU/Linux thing.
[04:38] <karljp> I just want my quality apps, on my os of choice
[04:38] <natex> thewarlok, sure if you want to be dishonest.
[04:38] <nate_> josh42: oh, yeah, that, that was you
[04:38] <jordanau> g14, thanks that had been bothering me for a while
[04:38] <karljp> instead of having to use windows just to get the apps I want.
[04:38] <g14> jordanau: No prob
[04:38] <spartacus> nate_, cheers. i didn't spot that before
[04:38] <thewarlok> natex: well, shit, there's dishonesty on their side, why not mine?
[04:38] <lgonze> if I resize a primary ntfs partition using the partitioner in the ubuntu installer, will I destroy the stuff on that partition?
[04:38] <nate_> spartacus: no problem :)
[04:39] <danko123456> HrdwrBoB: so, just like type in the URL, and that gets wget to download, or is it a myuch more robust program?
[04:39] <natex> thewarlok, age old question of two wrongs!=right i guess
[04:39] <lgonze> I need to set up a dual boot system and have to make space for it.
[04:39] <nate_> spartacus: I had same problem, but i switched to kde and now i have no problems
[04:39] <nate_> spartacus: and its prettier
[04:39] <thewarlok> 3 lefts == right. :D
[04:39] <karljp> lgonze: I would be extremely dubiosu trying to resize an ntfs partition with anything in linux
[04:39] <spartacus> nate_, heh. hmm... faster too, probably ;)
[04:39] <karljp> ymmv
[04:39] <g14> The FSF and richard stallman wrote gcc and the gnu utils. This consists of a compiler and several of the basic utilities that linux could not be without
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> danko123456: wget is a simply http downloader
[04:39] <nate_> spartacus: meh, its about the same, but I like it
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> *simple
[04:39] <Drako60> why is it i can't apt-get mplayer?
[04:39] <lgonze> karljp: your instinct is that this is very dangerous, yes?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> for the console
[04:40] <thewarlok> but as a side note, unless you try really hard not to, any computer you buy (that isn't a mac) will have Windows on it already.
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> it's not what you want; I was partially serious
[04:40] <g14> Calling Linux GNU/Linux is like calling my program created in Visual Studio, Visual Studio Myprogramname
[04:40] <danko123456> right, so how doers that apply to music downloading?
[04:40] <nate_> Drako60: you have to add the appropriate repositories
[04:40] <warty> i think i need a life
[04:40] <spartacus> Drako60, do you have the right repositories enabled?
[04:40] <Drako60> which one is it in?
[04:40] <g14> I am NOT trying to start a flamewar, but I think the whole GNU/Linux thing is nonsense
[04:40] <danko123456> ok, g14, FSF would disagree......
[04:40] <Drako60> i have universe enabled
[04:40] <g14> And that RMS is a babbling lunatic
[04:40] <warty> Now what wget do i want
[04:40] <lgonze> g14: I don't think it's nonsense.  I think it's important.
[04:40] <danko123456> and that is what matters, not your opinion on the topic.
[04:40] <nate_> Drako60: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:40] <danko123456> I think he just does not know about it...
[04:41] <warty>  File: wget-1.5.3.tar.gz  	437 KB  	09/23/98  	00:00:00
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.6.tar.gz 	656 KB 	12/31/00 	00:00:00
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[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.7.1.tar.gz 	1012 KB 	11/18/01 	00:00:00
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.7.tar.gz 	923 KB 	06/04/01 	00:00:00
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[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.8.2.tar.gz 	1128 KB 	05/28/02 	00:00:00
[04:41] <g14> danko123456: How does that matter? Linus wrote linux and so he named it
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.8.tar.gz 	1063 KB 	12/10/01 	00:00:00
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.9.1.tar.gz 	1292 KB 	11/14/03 	00:00:00
[04:41] <nate_> warty, don't flood
[04:41] <thewarlok> I think that the GNU/Linux debate is stupid. I mean, who cares, really. An OS by any other name, etc.
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.9.1.tar.gz.sig 	1 KB 	11/14/03 	00:00:00
[04:41] <lgonze> RMS made it possible for you to have a free operating system.  without RMS you would be on windows or mac.
[04:41] <g14> warty: STOP
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.9.tar.gz 	1286 KB 	10/22/03 	00:00:00
[04:41] <natex> yikes
[04:41] <warty> File: wget-1.9.tar.gz.sig
[04:41] <nate_> warty: use #flood
[04:41] <Marble2> warty: stfu, sudo apt-get install wget
[04:41] <jordanau> warty, use pastebin
[04:41] <danko123456> did he write all the GNU programs?
[04:41] <spartacus> Drako60, it's multiverse
[04:41] <g14> lgonze, nope
[04:41] <tritium> warty...
[04:41] <warty> WHAT
[04:41] <g14> rms made a very good compiler and some important core utilities
[04:41] <nate_> Drako60: in multiverse, yeah
[04:41] <lgonze> danko: no, he only wrote some of them
[04:42] <g14> Those would have been written without RMS
[04:42] <g14> and his raving psychobabble
[04:42] <danko123456> the kernel is Linux, the gnome is gnome...there is as much FSF code on yuour computer  as Linux...and more..
[04:42] <josh42> nate_; Lol - good to be remembered ;P
[04:42] <warty> and why do the people talking to me are in yellow
[04:42] <regeya_> oh boy more ranting about rms
[04:42] <jamie_> i have a question, i just reinstalled ubuntu and i remember being able to find video lan client and limewire through synaptic before but now i can't, sure i never messed with any repository settings other thn to undelete the main ones, but whatever, is there any good repositories i should add?
[04:42] <MindSpore> is glibc 2.1 or higher installed by default in ubuntu?
[04:42] <nate_> josh42: yeah, i'm bad with names but good with situations
[04:42] <warty> k
[04:42] <regeya_> blah blah blah rms bad blah blah blah me hate rms blah blah blah communist blah blah blah
[04:42] <mebaran151> glibc has to be
[04:42] <nate_> jamie_: did you check this? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:42] <regeya_> for pete's sake, you're so *boring*
[04:42] <mebaran151> or else gnome wont run
[04:42] <mebaran151> the devs arent
[04:43] <thewarlok> If it wasn't for Andrew Tanenbaum, Linus wouldn't have bothered, if it wasn't for Linus's great-great-grandfather, Linus would never have been born, if it wasn't for blah fucking blah who gives a fuck.
[04:43] <mebaran151> RMS is not a communist
[04:43] <g14> danko123456: And there is more non linus / non FSF software on my computer than there is otherwise
[04:43] <jamie_> yea i got the howto down, not hard in synaptic, but i just don't know what to add
[04:43] <warty> OK so what do i need to use #food OR wget or Pastebin
[04:43] <mebaran151> he is a Marxist wacko
[04:43] <g14> RMS is a dictator
[04:43] <danko123456> ok, cool
[04:43] <mebaran151> we need to get our wackos correct
[04:43] <i8ramin> how do you kill a frozen program/window in ubuntu?
[04:43] <nate_> jamie_: let me look
[04:43] <regeya_> blah blah blah linus blah blah tanenbaum blah blah blah
[04:43] <Dizzy> Looking for help installing on a Gateway M675 Laptop.  Screen goes black during install.  Please /msg !
[04:43] <danko123456> anyhow...I can see why GNU would want that added to the distributions.
[04:43] <natex> haha regeya
[04:43] <thewarlok> we need to find out who gives a flying fuck.
[04:43] <spartacus> i8ramin, add the killer to the toolbar :)
[04:43] <thewarlok> and why
[04:43] <jamie_> well where do you find this info, i hate buggin people all the time but i cant find it for myself
[04:43] <g14> though shalt not charge for software ever and shall make all computer science majors starve
[04:43] <warty> warty
[04:43] <mebaran151> i8ramin, skill [name of program] 
[04:43] <g14> forever and ever and ever amen
[04:43] <mebaran151> or xkill and click what is dead
[04:43] <mebaran151> anyone having this problem
[04:43] <jamie_> Dizzy type linux vga=771
[04:43] <i8ramin> ok, thnx
[04:44] <mebaran151> xmms no longer starts
[04:44] <anto9us> I'm a communist
[04:44] <mebaran151> silent errors
[04:44] <nate_> whats the command to pm in irssi?
[04:44] <jordanau> mebaran151, is killall bad? thats what i use
[04:44] <mebaran151> it looks lik eit is running
[04:44] <sproingie> oh boy another rms flame blah blah rms blah blah HITLER there
[04:44] <sproingie> thread over
[04:44] <i8ramin> nice, that worked..
[04:44] <mebaran151> jordanau, I think killall is just as good if not better
[04:44] <mebaran151> I like skill
[04:44] <mebaran151> I dont know why
[04:44] <Dizzy> jamie_: It boots from CD on bootup.  Don't know how to do that.
[04:44] <mebaran151> the name is so much punnier
[04:44] <g14> jordanau: Killall is just a script that parses running processes and calls kill
[04:44] <jordanau> sproingie, congrats on Godwins
[04:44] <mebaran151> I think skill does that in C
[04:45] <sproingie> jordanau: actually i think there's a corollary that says if someone invokes it deliberately, it doesnt count
[04:45] <nate_> jamie_: add these to your sources.list
[04:45] <wliu> can someone help me debug my ndiswrapper install?  i got it to find my wireless card, but it can't find my access point.   wlan0 scan comes up with nothing.
[04:45] <nate_> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[04:45] <nate_> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main
[04:45] <sproingie> g14: except on solaris, where killall actually kills every process
[04:45] <nate_> universe multiverse restricted
[04:45] <jamie_> Dizzy:  when it boots up it gives you a blank line and says something like type enter to start, don't do that type "linux vga=771"   had the same issue earlier today when i reinstalled
[04:45] <regeya_> thank you for ending the thread sproingie
[04:45] <spartacus> oh.. can anyone suggest a sensible ppp up/down applet? the std one tries to control a modem, but i'm using adsl so just want the ppp stuff started and stopped
[04:45] <g14> sproingie: :) but this isn't a solaris channel now is it?
[04:45] <Dizzy> jamie: Great, I'll give that a try
[04:45] <Dizzy> Wish me luck
[04:45] <Merlin615> wliu, does you access point broadcast it's ssid?
[04:45] <g14> spartacus: gnome-ppp
[04:46] <sproingie> g14: people have gotten bit by it before
[04:46] <nate_> seems like very few people know about tab-completion in ubuntu
[04:46] <jordanau> sproingie, it actually doesnt say the thread will end, it says that the longer and longer is goes, the probability of a hitler comment gets cleser and closer to 1
[04:46] <wliu> Merlin615: yeah, and I turned off WEP and made it open
[04:46] <g14> tab completion is a bash feature
[04:46] <g14> and xchat also
[04:46] <nate_> yeah, and most irc
[04:46] <g14> yep
[04:46] <jordanau> g14, and a wonderful one at that
[04:46] <sproingie> jordanau: at which point everyone loses.  i guess it never says anything about it *ending*
[04:46] <nate_> so they type jamie instead of jamie_
[04:46] <sproingie> jordanau: it just says that it should
[04:46] <nate_> jamie_: Thos last two lines i sent to you were on one line
[04:46] <jamie_> i don't even know what tab-completition is, i made the mistake of buying linux for dummies, it's good for computer dummies but i know computers and was looking for something a little more indepth than a chapter on "how to use a mouse"
[04:47] <warty> i am out
[04:47] <jamie_> ok
[04:47] <nate_> jamie_: google for learning bash
[04:47] <jordanau> bye warty
[04:47] <warty> i need a life too
[04:47] <darmou> I can't install zope2.7 because of all the compile errors on setup, is there any way around this problem?
[04:47] <g14> jamie_, Open up a shell and type /h then hit tab
[04:47] <hybrid_goth> jamie_ : use bittorrent and d/l linux all in one refernce
[04:47] <danko123456> I wish my text editor would remember all declared variables, classes and such when I am coding, and then I could do tab completion too,
[04:47] <warty> i am still looking for a music downloading program
[04:47] <nate_> danko123456: get coding! :)
[04:47] <g14> jamie_, It should autocomplete /home
[04:47] <darmou> my computer can't install anything else because my apt is toast because of zope2.7
[04:48] <spartacus> g14, that seems simple enough.. but it's a wvdial front-end. i don't need to dial anything...
[04:48] <hybrid_goth> danko123456: amen
[04:48] <jordanau> warty, amule or azureus
[04:48] <wliu> Merlin615: any other clues?
[04:48] <darmou> I'ts actually working but can't seem to install properly and there is no update
[04:48] <warty> what do u use
[04:48] <danko123456> gtk-gnutella
[04:48] <danko123456> if you ahve hoary, if not upgrade,
[04:48] <Nalioth> warty wget or curl
[04:48] <nate_> jamie_: /help
[04:48] <g14> spartacus: ah, sorry. I am tying in several channels at once
[04:48] <nate_> err
[04:48] <warty> grrrrrrrrrrr
[04:48] <danko123456> grr what?
[04:49] <warty> now i have 4 to
[04:49] <jamie_> what is the control c code for linux?
[04:49] <jordanau> warty, i use azureus for album and tv shows and amule for individual songs or if i cant find a torrent
[04:49] <warty> pick from
[04:49] <danko123456> amule or azureus, limewire, gtk-gnutella, gift...
[04:49] <danko123456> right, I suggest strongly gtk-gnutella
[04:49] <danko123456> amule seems to crah all the time
[04:49] <g14> gtk-gnutella is what I use
[04:49] <Nalioth> warty i use wget, curl, azureus, CLI bittorrent
[04:49] <Merlin615> hmmmm, not sure
[04:49] <danko123456> azureus is a bit torrent, thats it, as far as I know.
[04:49] <jamie_> is gtk-gnutella better than limewire?  i've just used limewire for so long haven't tried anything else in a while
[04:49] <mello> limewire is probably the best
[04:49] <danko123456> linmewire does not have a search more feature
[04:50] <g14> Limewire is java
[04:50] <jordanau> danko123456, azureus is my fav torrent client by far, i suggest you try it
[04:50] <danko123456> and gtk-gnutella just seems to work...
[04:50] <danko123456> yeah, but its just torrents...
[04:50] <g14> and I have had it freeze when downloading multiple albums at a time
[04:50] <natex> usenet
[04:50] <jamie_> god knows i've had nothing but hell with java since i moved to linux
[04:50] <danko123456> and that means an extra step in downloading.
[04:50] <Drako60> you know its sad when you don't sleep right because your computer isn't working right
[04:50] <wliu> anyone else with any ideas why my access point wont show up on my wireless?
[04:50] <danko123456> that is pretty sad...
[04:50] <nate_> jamie_: any luck with those extra repos?
[04:50] <danko123456> go back to windows...
[04:51] <Merlin615> hmmmm
[04:51] <danko123456> itll give you less headaches...
[04:51] <spartacus> jamie_, what's hard about java on linux?
[04:51] <Drako60> that was the problem danko123456 windows stopped working
[04:51] <danko123456> especially on a x86 arch...
[04:51] <shad0w1e> anyone know how I can get my drives running on DMA mode?
[04:51] <danko123456> hah
[04:51] <danko123456> ok...
[04:51] <spartacus> shad0w1e, hdparm...
[04:51] <danko123456> so, you have linux now?
[04:51] <jordanau> jamie_, yeah usually a .sh is provided, if not just run java program
[04:51] <Drako60> yup
[04:51] <warty> linux is gay i do not get it (Microsoft has made my brain bad)
[04:52] <Drako60> and only one problem i have to work out, and thats keeping the kernel from panicing when i use dma
[04:52] <jordanau> warchild-, stop trolling
[04:52] <jordanau> warty, stop trolling
[04:52] <natex> shad0w1e, man hdparm
[04:52] <spartacus> warty, not that there's anything wrong with that
[04:52] <jordanau> warchild-, i appologize
[04:52] <natex> :)
[04:52] <daryl_> quick question.. How can I get my CD door to open?  I have a Mac wireless keyboard.  If I hit the eject key, it works as the right mouse button.
[04:52] <jamie_> i install linux, i set up the links to the plugin directories, i enable it in the browser, it still does not work, i go to install limewire, says can't install because lack of java
[04:52] <warty> what the hell is trolling
[04:52] <danko123456> haha, like that one episode of seinfeld, opr something
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> daryl_: right click on the drive, hit eject
[04:52] <spartacus> daryl_, man eject ;)
[04:52] <sproingie> ah i remember, no one ever gets kicked on this channel
[04:53] <neighborlee> jamesh, Desktop: right click CD icon : eject
[04:53] <nate_> jamie_: you need the right repos, the ones i gave you have java i believe
[04:53] <neighborlee> dddddain to many NICKS with same name
[04:53] <neighborlee> grrrrrrrrrrr
[04:53] <danko123456> warty, google trolling
[04:53] <danko123456> internet troll in wikipedia
[04:53] <nate_> jamie_: then it works perfectly, as perfect as it does in linux
[04:53] <daryl_> ah... I've had linux for about 5 min now.. Sorry guys.. Thanks a ton.
[04:53] <Drako60> danko123456, and i like linux, my biggest problem though was trying to install the x86 kernel
[04:53] <danko123456> anyhow, some ppl are quick to use the terms...
[04:53] <jordanau> is there a way to allow the eject button physically on the computer to work?
[04:53] <neighborlee> jamie_, sorry I meant for that message for you not 'jamesh' lol !!
[04:53] <natex> I don't think he was trolling. just being funny (attempt)
[04:53] <neighborlee> anyway
[04:53] <spartacus> jordanau, the one on the drive?
[04:53] <danko123456> I dont know, I had pretty good luck with my installation. and everything so far...
[04:53] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah
[04:54] <danko123456> jordanau: no, it is mounted
[04:54] <Drako60> jordanau, umount /dev/yourdevice then try opening it
[04:54] <jamie_> i've had the ejecting issue with mac, windows and now linux, i think it's just some drives aren't always fully compatible with whatever os you may be using at the time
[04:54] <danko123456> that is not good, so they dont allow it.
[04:54] <spartacus> jordanau, it should just work. if it doesn't, it's cos something is using the disc
[04:54] <warty> GOT U
[04:54] <warty> An Internet troll is either a person who sends messages on the Internet hoping to entice other users into angry or fruitless responses, or a message sent with such content.
[04:54] <MindSpore> how do unmount /media/cdrom (was mounted with -o loop)
[04:54] <natex> see
[04:54] <jordanau> nate_, he has been yelling in caps, saying random stuff, callng stuff gay i dont know what other evidence is necessary
[04:54] <danko123456> right so saying linux is gay on a linux channel qualifies.
[04:55] <nate_> jordanau: thats great ;P
[04:55] <nate_> jordanau: wrong guy
[04:55] <spartacus> MindSpore, same way. sudo umount /media/cdrom should work
[04:55] <warty> i do not get it
[04:55] <warty> night
[04:55] <danko123456> natex: I agree, pretty much...not really trolling...
[04:55] <danko123456> hah
[04:55] <natex> geez
[04:55] <nate_> how do i private-message in irssi?
[04:55] <_joey_> you don't
[04:55] <danko123456>  /msg works?
[04:55] <Drako60> nate_, /msg
[04:56] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah the problem is it is on a laptop for my family and i live 2 hours a way and it needs to "just work" for them
[04:56] <nate_> Drako60: thanks
[04:56] <Drako60> use ctrl+p to switch windows
[04:56] <jordanau> spartacus, i dont mind the eject thing for my own computer
[04:56] <g14> jordanau: Do they have internet access like you do?
[04:56] <jordanau> nate_, /msg?
[04:56] <MindSpore> spartacus: hmm worked this time.. weird
[04:56] <g14> jordanau: You could set them up with a secured ssh server that you could access to remotely fix it
[04:56] <spartacus> jordanau, hmmm. bugger. maybe 'eject' icon-menu should call unmount first? (if it doesn't already)
[04:57] <nate_> jordanau: well, that is sorta right, I meant like on xchat where you open a private chat with that person
[04:57] <natex> hi richard stallman
[04:57] <natex> oh nm
[04:57] <danko123456> Mb?
[04:57] <SNIa> I'm curious if anyone here has an nforce4 board that could possibly help me
[04:57] <jordanau> g14, they dont have the computer yet, i am in the process of making it "mom friendly"
[04:57] <IcemanV9> danko123456: as in RAM
[04:57] <g14> jordanau: ok
[04:57] <danko123456> I know, I guess I am just trolling.
[04:58] <danko123456> Cause you said Mb...not MB...
[04:58] <jordanau> nate_, i would just make a chatroom and tell him to join
[04:58] <nate_> jordanau: yeah, but forcing them to join is so much cooler
[04:58] <jordanau> g14, i have considered making a howto on how to make a mom friendly ubuntu machine that resembles windows, think it would be useful?
[04:58] <Drako60> nate_, irssi opens a window upon a return /msg from the user, you can use ctrl P to switch to it
[04:59] <nate_> Drako60: oh, cool
[04:59] <jordanau> g14, from visually looking the same, to idiot proofing it, to ssh
[04:59] <spartacus> jordanau, mom-friendly... yes, resembles windows... maybe not.
[04:59] <danko123456> do you know a lot of momsm jordanau?
[04:59] <danko123456> hah
[04:59] <g14> jordanau: Using the gnome desktop
[04:59] <jordanau> danko123456, i know yours real well , ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[04:59] <Drako60> nate_, there is another ctrl+letter to go the other way but i can't remember it right now, just have to cycle through with ctrl+p or read the help files
[05:00] <jordanau> g14, yeah, not kde
[05:00] <spartacus> jordanau, make it similar and it introduces confusion when things aren't exactly the same
[05:00] <danko123456> see, that is funny, with your twisted morality, shameful on the real side of things...
[05:00] <spartacus> jordanau, if things are visually different, people can accept changes in the way it works better
[05:00] <danko123456> not that i did not get the joke:)
[05:00] <jordanau> spartacus, good point
[05:00] <nate_> Drako60: yeah, the /help files are limited
[05:00] <blueyed> I have a remote server here, that does not play nice with the default kernel from Ubuntu: * Configuring network interfaces...
[05:00] <blueyed> NET: Registered protocol family 17
[05:00] <blueyed> Failed to bring up eth0.
[05:00] <blueyed> what to do?
[05:00] <riffic> hi is anyone familiar with howl/zeroconf/mdns ?
[05:00] <pdk001> hi
[05:01] <riffic> for some reason getent hosts is showing two addresses for one of my hosts
[05:01] <pdk001> is here ubuntu chatting room?
[05:01] <pdk001> right?
[05:01] <riffic> one is a 169.x address
[05:01] <jordanau> spartacus, luckily my mom cant turn on the computer anyway and my sister can adjust :)
[05:01] <riffic> and the other is the correct address
[05:01] <SNIa> I've got an Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe using ubuntu amd64 ver. For some reason I do not see my Parallel ATA Drives, any ideas? I'm guessing I'm missing a module
[05:01] <jordanau> pdk001, hi
[05:01] <spartacus> jordanau, heh. just make it auto-login, and put some obvious icons up for common stuff
[05:01] <pdk001> hi
[05:01] <jordanau> pdk001, yes it is
[05:02] <Nalioth> pdk001, you are in the right place
[05:02] <pdk001> thanks for answering
[05:02] <danko123456> paste the resuklts in the pastebin, if you want, or #flodd, riffic, I wanna see what it looks like..
[05:02] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah i did, and consolidated the two panels in to one and put it on the bottom
[05:02] <jordanau> spartacus, also got rid of workspaces
[05:02] <danko123456> dont think  Ill know hwo to fix it or anything...hjust wanna see what it looks like.
[05:02] <riffic> danko123456: okay
[05:02] <spartacus> jordanau, nice. getting online should be "power button" -> "click firefox" -> done
[05:02] <jordanau> spartacus, the thought of 50 programs running in workspace 2 and nobody knowing it just scared me
[05:03] <spartacus> jordanau, yep. it's useful for some folks, but confusing for most
[05:03] <jamie_> ok so after much time trying to add the repositories because i didn't realize you had to close synaptic to update it so i had actually added several times over again, i'm starting to realize those links were actually lists of other repositories?  cause because of those two i put in there it is now downloading like 49 more lists
[05:03] <nate_> jordanau: sure it isn't just jedit?
[05:03] <riffic> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/279815
[05:03] <nate_> jamie_: yeah, its more lists
[05:04] <blueyed> How can I get the name of the network card(s)?
[05:04] <jordanau> nate_, jedit?
[05:04] <jamie_> limewire still doesn't show up but vlc does, i guess i could command line install it but i hate to lol
[05:04] <blueyed> ^^ name/model
[05:04] <danko123456> riffic: can you access waveland now?
[05:04] <nate_> jordanau: wrong chatroom
[05:04] <spartacus> blueyed, lspci might tell you
[05:04] <osity> I read that hoary  supports raid1  right from the install.....Does that mean that all I have to do is install the raid option with 2 drives in it and they raid?
[05:04] <riffic> just through ip
[05:04] <jordanau> nate_, gotcha
[05:04] <riffic> if I try to ping waveland.local it uses the 169.x address as default
[05:04] <riffic> and that is the invalid ip
[05:04] <nate_> osity: hardware or software raid?
[05:04] <osity> software
[05:05] <riffic> however, waveland sees ashland perfectly fine
[05:05] <spartacus> osity, pretty much. not sure how it handles booting on raid tho?
[05:05] <nate_> jamie_: it makes lots more software at your disposal
[05:05] <osity> hardware too expensive!
[05:05] <danko123456> do a ifconfig on the waveland...
[05:05] <danko123456> is it a linux?
[05:05] <riffic> yep
[05:05] <spartacus> osity, 3ware is very good value for that
[05:05] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah i cant live without them personally
[05:05] <osity> how much for a card?
[05:05] <danko123456> k, do an ifconfig, and paste again...
[05:05] <riffic> ubuntu hoary, same os on both hosts
[05:05] <jamie_> yea thanks, that's one thing i really like about linux, if the software is readily available and condired safe for your system, there is no searching the net for it, just go to the package manager and it finds it for you
[05:05] <g14> 3com is the best as far as linux raid goes
[05:06] <jordanau> spartacus, i was wondering if there is a way to visually hide all folders except /home/username
[05:06] <jamie_> unfortunately up to this point i've not had great luck finding the software i want so i've been thrown headfirst into the command line, but on the bright side i've learned a few things
[05:06] <g14> jordanau: Inside the parent folder, create a text file named .hidden
[05:06] <jordanau> spartacus, does taking away read rights do that?
[05:06] <riffic> weird, ifconfig is showing up as 169 on the eth0 on waveland
[05:06] <jordanau> g14, will it be hidden from root?
[05:06] <spartacus> osity, they start at 127 usd on newegg.com
[05:06] <osity> hardware raid ends up costing over 400 US for a card
[05:06] <g14> jordanau: On each line, type the name of the folder or name you want to hide 1 for line
[05:06] <g14> jordanau: No
[05:07] <justin> you mean 169.254/16, not 169/8 !
[05:07] <danko123456> riffic: pasted it somewhere?
[05:07] <blueyed> spartacus, thanks. It says Intel 82558/8/9.. any hint why it cannot bring it up on boot?
[05:07] <riffic> danko123456: http://pastebin.com/279818
[05:07] <riffic> sorry
[05:07] <spartacus> jordanau, possibly dragging a home folder link to the desktop would be enough
[05:07] <osity> spartacus: at 127 you may get a card but I doubt its hardware raid...
[05:08] <jordanau> spartacus, yeah i already have, i just want to keep it from looking confusing,
[05:08] <danko123456> which one do you want it to be? 169.254.172.38?
[05:08] <veritas> Hey, I just put in a new wireless PCMCIA card and I'm trying to install drivers to use it over my internal one on my laptop
[05:08] <veritas> How would I go about doing this?
[05:08] <jordanau> spartacus, Oh i can add a startup splash image too!
[05:08] <riffic> no its supposed to be 192.168.1.x
[05:08] <jamie_> one thing i'm not crazy about is the fact that ubuntu does not support the cheap onboard video on my system, i have to have it stuck at 1280x??? or my monitor starts screaming cause ubuntu forces too high of a refresh rate on it, but i've done lots of research on this and found that there really is no answer to it, everyone thinks they know but threads never seem resolved so . . .
[05:08] <riffic> its dhcp though
[05:08] <riffic> that's why i'm using mdns
[05:09] <jordanau> veritas, does the card have linux drivers available?
[05:09] <riffic> because my router gives it new addresses randomly
[05:09] <danko123456> riffic: hows your /etc/network/interfaces look
[05:09] <veritas> Yes, I'm absolutely sure
[05:09] <g14> jordanau: The splash image is going to be integrated with Breezy Badger, the next ubuntu release
[05:09] <spartacus> osity, 247 gets a better one, but the 127 usd card is simple hardware raid too.
[05:09] <jordanau> veritas, if it doesnt,you will need ndiswrapper
[05:09] <riffic> dhcp, auto
[05:09] <veritas> jordanau, yes it does
[05:09] <jamie_> how long is it going to be until the next release?  cause they're supposed to be working on the video issues with that release too
[05:09] <spartacus> osity, it's not promise style raid
[05:10] <jordanau> g14, yeah i heard they are going with a simple image splash instead of using slplashy
[05:10] <g14> Ubuntu is released every 6 months predictably
[05:10] <riffic> i have no idea why i'm seeing 169 in ifconfig
[05:10] <jordanau> veritas, oh, i only know how to use ndiswrapped i cant help
[05:10] <osity> spartacus: what do you mean promise style?
[05:10] <veritas> jordanau, I just don't know how to update the drivers
[05:10] <spartacus> blueyed, dunno mate. maybe modules aren't loading?
[05:10] <danko123456> sounds right////
[05:10] <danko123456> dude, both are 169?!
[05:10] <riffic> i can guarantee my router isn't spitting out that subnet
[05:10] <spartacus> osity, i mean, dodgy software raid
[05:10] <riffic> no
[05:10] <g14> jordanau, actually, they are using a few new programs to make the best splash utility for linux startup / shutdown ever
[05:10] <veritas> Is there anyway I can apt-get the drivers for my card?
[05:10] <riffic> 192.168 is the valid subnet
[05:10] <jamie_> g14:  i like the way you say predicatably, since there's only been two releases, right lol
[05:10] <danko123456> ah
[05:10] <danko123456> damn
[05:11] <danko123456> I never saw that.
[05:11] <danko123456> let me see now..
[05:11] <g14> jaime_: How long as ubuntu been around?
[05:11] <Seq> does the ubuntu live cd have the linux restricted modules (specifically ati binary drivers) on it?
[05:11] <danko123456> so can you contact that computer through the LAN?
[05:11] <riffic> yeah
[05:11] <g14> jaime_: How about you read a bit on the wiki and learn something about ubuntu
[05:11] <jordanau> g14, that sounds exciting, in the meantime i can just use a jpeg image
[05:11] <riffic> if I use the real ip
[05:11] <jamie_> well i was under the impression that the first release was like in november of last year,
[05:11] <riffic> it works
[05:11] <jamie_> maybe i should lol
[05:11] <danko123456> that is strange, which IP the 169 one?
[05:11] <spartacus> veritas, are u using kernel 2.6? i think pcmcia-cs is built in now?
[05:11] <danko123456> 169  means self assigned.
[05:11] <danko123456> right?
[05:12] <riffic> yeah
[05:12] <masterloki> hi there it seems i have no sound alsamixer shows a VIA 8235 but the one that comes with gnome shows i got the  via and a C-Media CMI9761 (OSS) what can i do?
[05:12] <veritas> I just downloaded this version of Ubuntu last week, so I would assume yes
[05:12] <osity> spartacus: I found one on new egg for 459.00
[05:12] <danko123456> go ifdown, ifup...
[05:12] <spartacus> osity, http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116030
[05:12] <jordanau> veritas, type uname -r in terminal
[05:12] <veritas> spartacus, does that mean drivers for my pcmcia card are already installed?
[05:13] <Burgundavia> spartacus, ubuntu ships by default with 2.6
[05:13] <spartacus> yup, it does now
[05:13] <veritas> 2.6.10-5-686
[05:13] <wliu> can someone help me debug my ndiswrapper install?  i got it to find my wireless card, but it can't find my access point.   the essid is being broadcast and wlan0 scan comes up with nothing.  any ideas?
[05:13] <spartacus> veritas, it should. sorry... what card is it?
[05:13] <veritas> Right now I believe I'm using my intenrnal wireless card
[05:13] <Burgundavia> spartacus, always has
[05:13] <veritas> and I want to use my PCMCIA card
[05:13] <riffic> i'm just going to reboot the thing
[05:13] <osity> spartacus: I need IDE ...that sure looks like a software solution ....there is no CPU...
[05:13] <veritas> Senao NL2511 PLUS EXT2
[05:13] <jamie_> why is his 686 and mine is 386?  i thought the 386 platform was no longer used
[05:13] <spartacus> Burgundavia, ok. i'm new to it and saw 2.4 in the package list..
[05:13] <danko123456> do you specify the range of IPs that are allowed, riffic?
[05:14] <danko123456> in your interfaces?
[05:14] <riffic> no, I didn't think dhcp needed that
[05:14] <danko123456> i dont think so either..
[05:14] <danko123456> depends..
[05:14] <riffic> it should just broadcast for an ip and get one from the router
[05:14] <Burgundavia> spartacus, you can use a 2.4 kernel, but all version of Ubuntu have shipped by default with a 2.6 one
[05:14] <veritas> don't i need to install some kind of drivers in Linux for my PCMCIA card to work?
[05:14] <danko123456> anyhow, yeah, unless anyone else has any advice, reboot, it may fix it...but if not, you did not lose anything...
[05:15] <spartacus> osity, http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116019
[05:15] <riffic> yeah its just weird behavior
[05:15] <osity> spartacus: dud that thing is a controller.
[05:16] <osity> dude
[05:16] <masterloki> Ihave no sound alsamixer shows a VIA 8235 but the one that comes with gnome shows i got the  via and a C-Media CMI9761 (OSS) what can i do?
[05:16] <spartacus> osity, yeh? you said you needed ide?
[05:16] <osity> IDE raid
[05:16] <osity> :)
[05:17] <osity> oh ...it says it supports raid..
[05:17] <osity> spartacus: so where is the cPU?
[05:17] <spartacus> osity, so you want software raid? that thing is an ide raid controller. plug the drives into the card, and it looks like a single scsi disk, and the card manages the drives
[05:17] <spartacus> osity, on both of those cards, it's the big 3ware chip in the middle
[05:18] <spartacus> i'm using a 7506 in RAID-1. i'd use the cheaper one if you just want 0 or 1, and can use SATA disks
[05:20] <somma> hello
[05:20] <Licker> oooo... there we go... Got the desktop working.. can anyone help me with setting up a web/mail server?
[05:21] <spartacus> veritas, hotplug should manage the pcmcia driver loading/unloading
[05:21] <somma> sudo apt-get install apache
[05:21] <danko123456> web server....apache in your apt/synaptic
[05:21] <somma> That will deal with your web server
[05:21] <spartacus> if it doesn't, it might be a new/unsupported card?
[05:22] <danko123456> mail server....synaptic search for those in name&description
[05:23] <osity> spartacus: are you using raid on Ubuntu?
[05:23] <spartacus> osity, no, it's on Adamantix... another Debian based distro
[05:24] <danko123456> man they have gnome in my school on solaris machines...lots..
[05:24] <Licker> danko123456: Im a Linux NOob....  :( I only used RH9. Then someone talked me into Getting Ubuntu. I spent all day trying to gt it.. (had CD related probs) So now I got it and well.. need to know where to go from here.
[05:24] <danko123456> gnome desktop anyhow
[05:24] <danko123456> well, where are you gonna go?
[05:24] <danko123456> Install servers, and use your computer...
[05:24] <spartacus> Licker, it's all the same with the lights off... biggest difference is packaging here
[05:25] <danko123456> Its a Unix now...
[05:25] <Licker> yea but ive only setup servers in Win32. never linux. I just know my way around a Linux desktop. thats all.
[05:25] <spartacus> Licker, postfix mail server should already be installed, btw
[05:25] <danko123456> well, you know synaptic?
[05:25] <Licker> nope
[05:25] <danko123456> anything you want, search it in there.
[05:26] <Licker> how do i get there
[05:26] <danko123456> Go System, Administration, Synaptic, type in your password...and go,,,
[05:26] <MindSpore> can anyone tell me why i'm getting a black screen under ubuntu, trying to run Doom3 linux
[05:26] <danko123456> THere is a search button, and seatrch by name and descrtiption...
[05:26] <danko123456> everything is free, and works.
[05:26] <spartacus> mostly works ;)
[05:26] <danko123456> you answered your own question, mindspore...
[05:27] <Licker> eh.. its saying.. it found some probs...
[05:27] <spartacus> well, what problems?
[05:27] <danko123456> hah, no...? your synaptic?
[05:27] <MindSpore> danko: lol
[05:27] <danko123456> lol@mindspore
[05:27] <MindSpore> it ran fine under mandrake
[05:27] <MindSpore> err.. whatever they call it not
[05:27] <danko123456> well, there is your answerlol
[05:27] <spartacus> MindSpore, are you all GL'd up?
[05:28] <Licker> W: Coulnt stat source package list http://usarchive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main packages (var/lib/asp/lists)
[05:28] <danko123456> ubuntu is nice:) and mushroommy
[05:28] <MindSpore> spartacus... not sure
[05:28] <Licker> and some other stuff
[05:28] <danko123456> oh ok, thats just your sources..
[05:28] <danko123456> easy to change
[05:28] <spartacus> MindSpore eg, try glxinfo, and running glgears
[05:28] <Licker> just click ok and keep going then?
[05:29] <danko123456> tehre is a file, at /etc/apt/sources.list, and since its out of your home, you have to sudo to edit it,...
[05:29] <spartacus> glxinfo should tell you if you're direct rendering or not. glgears will show if basic GL stuff works or not
[05:29] <danko123456> and change it to have universe and multiverse added
[05:29] <danko123456> ?? repositories
[05:29] <MindSpore> spartacus: OpenGL 1.2... says direct rendering, no
[05:29] <danko123456> hah, no bot.
[05:29] <danko123456> then youll have to turn it on.
[05:29] <MindSpore> display: 0, screen: 0
[05:30] <g14> ?? the real slim shady
[05:30] <danko123456> there is ppl that know how...
[05:30] <spartacus> MindSpore, ok. which video card and things have you got?
[05:30] <danko123456> haha
[05:30] <g14> The bot isn't on
[05:30] <danko123456> right...
[05:30] <SNIa> am I missing something, I'm trying to play an mp3 on Hoary AMD64 ver, and have had no success.
[05:30] <Nalioth> bot had a nervous breakdown
[05:30] <Dethread> when compiling my own kernel, should I use 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 ?
[05:30] <spartacus> SNIa, you're probably missing xmms :)
[05:30] <MindSpore> spartacus: Nvidea geforce fx 5500 8x agp 128mb ram
[05:30] <SNIa> just installed xmms
[05:30] <danko123456> mindspore, you have to install it one or other way...
[05:30] <g14> SNIa: You need to install the gstreamer0.8-plugins package
[05:30] <SNIa> it frezes when I try to play
[05:30] <Nalioth> SNIa, google the ubuntulinux.org for "restricted formats"
[05:31] <g14> SNIa: It will install all of the mp3 codecs for gstreamer
[05:31] <danko123456> ok, change default output plugin in in preferences...
[05:31] <danko123456> to esd.
[05:31] <danko123456> esound
[05:31] <spartacus> MindSpore, ok. you'll want the nvidia drivers then...
[05:31] <SNIa> googlin
[05:31] <MindSpore> okay...
[05:31] <danko123456> SNIa: do what I said, and it will work, likely...
[05:32] <danko123456> thanks for reminding me for music...
[05:32] <Burgundavia> SNIa, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:32] <MindSpore> danko: can i get that with apt-get?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> SNIa, ignore the other adivce
[05:32] <pztak> when i try to change the screen resolution i get "The X server does not support the XRandR extension"
[05:32] <spartacus> MindSpore, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[05:32] <pztak> anyone know why
[05:32] <pztak> ?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> pztak, you need to edit xorg.manually
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia:  i did
[05:33] <Burgundavia> as the ati drivers don't support xrandr
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia: it has the different resolutions I want
[05:33] <Burgundavia> which means no changing resolution on the fly
[05:33] <SNIa> danko123456, doesn't work ;/ will try the ubuntu wiki
[05:33] <Burgundavia> blame ATI for that
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia: ok, can i change the file and restart X w/o restarting linux?
[05:33] <Burgundavia> correct
[05:33] <pztak> Burgundavia: how do I do that?
[05:33] <Burgundavia> restart the X server with ctrl-alt-bksp
[05:33] <g14> pztak: Change the file and hit CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[05:34] <spartacus> log out first :)
[05:34] <MindSpore> spartacus: how come... cat /proc/pci doesn't work?
[05:34] <pztak> thanks guys.. i assume i have to close all of my X programs ???
[05:34] <spartacus> MindSpore, it's a "legacy" file. use lspci
[05:34] <MindSpore> k
[05:34] <g14> pztak: Save anything important, that will close all of your x programs "for you" :)
[05:35] <danko123456> SNIa: esound output plugin didnt work, eh?
[05:35] <pztak> ok
[05:36] <RadHaz> lol
[05:36] <nate_> yoy oy yoyoyoyoyo
[05:38] <josh42> Can anyone tell me how to do an OSX-style panel along the top? (EG: a panel that gets replaced by the file/edit/view menus of the current app) - I know gnome used to do it..
[05:38] <Burgundavia> josh42, never did that i know of
[05:38] <bob2> you can't
[05:38] <bob2> kde has an option for that, for kde applications
[05:38] <Burgundavia> every six months of so the discussion hits the gnome mailing list
[05:39] <Burgundavia> *lists
[05:39] <regeya_> gentoo is for ricers
[05:39] <bob2> regeya_: #silly-trolls
[05:39] <regeya_> I'm actually a big gentoo supporter; I used to use it all the time.  And I'm not a silly tweak-head
[05:40] <Dethread> that's what they all say :)
[05:40] <josh42> Burgundavia; Really? I thought I remembered it
[05:40] <Burgundavia> saw a group using gentoo for statistical analysis at LFNW
[05:40] <Burgundavia> they liked the compile time options
[05:40] <josh42> bob2; Kde has that type of panel?
[05:41] <MindSpore> how do i restart xserver?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> ctrl-alt-bksp
[05:41] <bob2> MindSpore: are you installing the nvidia drivers?
[05:41] <pztak> so i did that but the screen turned black
[05:41] <MindSpore> bob2, already did
[05:41] <bob2> then you need to reboot
[05:41] <pztak> i had to replace the file with the backup one and restart x to the original resolution
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> is there any way to do a reboot without actually "rebooting"
[05:41] <bob2> josh42: kde's toolkit supports it, yes
[05:41] <MindSpore> bob2,  k
[05:41] <bob2> thechitowncubs: not really
[05:41] <Brunellus> ugh.
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> ctrl alt backspace only actually reboots xorg right?
[05:41] <pztak> any ideas?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> correct
[05:41] <bob2> thechitowncubs: it restarts X, yes
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> k
[05:42] <josh42> bob2; Ahh, ok, that's why I remember it that.. ahwell
[05:42] <Brunellus> Gaim runs fine in gnome, but segfaults in fluxbox
[05:42] <Brunellus> why?
[05:42] <josh42> tx
[05:42] <bob2> Brunellus: a bug in it, probably
[05:42] <pztak> Burgundavia: it wont let me use 800x600, screen turns black... and nothing come sup
[05:42] <bob2> but I've not heard of it
[05:42] <drcodedd2> hi all
[05:42] <thechitowncubs> dvd::rip works very nicely, i wish it was GTK2
[05:42] <crimsun> Brunellus: please obtain a backtrace
[05:42] <drcodedd2> mybe some one can help me with openvpn?
[05:43] <bob2> I'd go with tinc instead of openvpn
[05:43] <bob2> if at all possible
[05:43] <drcodedd2> I Need help more with iptables
[05:43] <Brunellus> haven't the foggiest about how to get a backtrace
[05:43] <drcodedd2> bcz the vpn work
[05:43] <Brunellus> but it confounds me as to why it won't work *now*
[05:43] <bob2> please don't use abbreviations like "bcz"
[05:43] <drcodedd2> i want to let my vpn client go to intnernet
[05:43] <Brunellus> where I'd been happily using gaim and flux for months
[05:44] <drcodedd2> I think I need to setup somthing in iptables or route
[05:44] <bob2> drcodedd2: you need to explain your setup in a lot more detail
[05:44] <Brunellus> I should have never upgraded to hoary!
[05:45] <crimsun> Brunellus: run it from within gdb, and when it crashes, type bt
[05:45] <thechitowncubs> how hard is it to convert a GTK1 app to GTK2?
[05:45] <bob2> drcodedd2: no, you don't /msg me
[05:45] <crimsun> Brunellus: of course unstripped binaries and libs are more useful, but that's another matter
[05:45] <bob2> drcodedd2: you explain your problem in here
[05:45] <drcodedd2> k
[05:45] <drcodedd2> k
[05:45] <drcodedd2> I Have openvpn v1.6
[05:45] <Brunellus> yeah, well.
[05:45] <bob2> drcodedd2: or, better still, you write an email to the mailing list explaining your whole setup, and everything you've done to the system
[05:45] <g14> thechitowncubs: Not too hard provided you are a decent coder
[05:45] <drcodedd2> my vpn server have 3 nic
[05:45] <drcodedd2> 1. internet 2.local lan 3.tun
[05:46] <bob2> thechitowncubs: not too much in general, it depends on how complicated the app is (e.g. if it has custom widgets, that's a pain in the ass to port)
[05:46] <mindspore> well, i installed the nvidia drivers, and i get the splash screen.. but, doom3 still comes up with the black screen
[05:46] <drcodedd2> I use shorewall as fw
[05:46] <g14> yeah I agree with the custom widgets part
[05:46] <crimsun> mindspore: have you read the doom3 faq on http://zerowing.idsoftware.com ?
[05:46] <thechitowncubs> Ahh, i wonder why DVD::Rip isn't GTK2 then... im not going to recode it but it just seems odd that it isn't
[05:46] <drcodedd2> my vpn client can connect my server and I Can do tracepath from vpn client till vpn server but not outside the internet, my local client can go into the internet
[05:47] <masterloki> hi there I got via 8235 with chip C-Media Electronics CMI9761, Alsa mixer shows card via 8235 chip CMI9761 and GStreamer shows 2 devices CMI9761 and via, any ideas
[05:47] <crimsun> masterloki: no sound or something?
[05:47] <nekrataal> hey
[05:47] <bob2> drcodedd2: so, your problem is other clients can't  connect to your vpn server from the inetner?
[05:47] <bob2> er, internet
[05:47] <masterloki> no sound
[05:47] <drcodedd2> no
[05:47] <crimsun> masterloki: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[05:47] <nekrataal> is there any compiler for fortran90 in ubuntu??
[05:47] <bob2> nekrataal: gcc 4.0 has fortran 90 support
[05:47] <drcodedd2> the vpn client cant get into the internet from or by vpn server
[05:47] <masterloki> ok
[05:47] <mindspore> crimsun: checking there now
[05:47] <drcodedd2> I want to let vpn client to have internet by vpn server
[05:47] <g14> nekrataal: Ubuntu doesn't install compilers by default, search for gcc in synaptic
[05:48] <bob2> nekrataal: up to fortran 95, in fact
[05:48] <Burgundavia> nekrataal, you need build-essential
[05:48] <bob2> nekrataal: it's in the gfortran-4.0 package
[05:48] <Brunellus> OK, somethin to do with bonobo
[05:48] <drcodedd2> I am not so good with iptables or route
[05:48] <bob2> Burgundavia: no, that doesn't install a fortran compiler
[05:48] <Burgundavia> bob2, ok
[05:48] <beh> can someone help me play midi files, when i try playmidi it says open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory,
[05:48] <nekrataal> ok
[05:48] <bob2> drcodedd2: do you know how tcp ports work?
[05:48] <nekrataal> thanks
[05:48] <crimsun> beh: sudo modprobe snd-seq && sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss
[05:48] <Amaranth> beh: ooh, i figured this out earlier. let me find which tool i used
[05:49] <drcodedd2> my vpn client have default gw of the vpn server
[05:49] <drcodedd2> I need to do some rule in iptable?
[05:49] <crimsun> beh: you may need timidity as well if you don't have the actual hardware
[05:49] <beh> what hardware do i need
[05:49] <Amaranth> yeah, i used timidity
[05:49] <bob2> drcodedd2: do you know how tcp ports work?
[05:50] <beh> i have an onboard sound card
[05:50] <PabloEscobar> how in the world do you add stuff to the applications menu?
[05:50] <_phate_> Anyone know how to put the icons back on the desktop in Kubuntu?
[05:50] <blueyed> What was the file where modules are listed that should automatically be loaded?
[05:50] <Amaranth> beh: Use timidity
[05:50] <beh> k
[05:50] <mindspore> crimsun: didn't seem to help
[05:50] <bob2> blueyed: /etc/modules
[05:51] <bob2> _phate_: #kubuntu might be a better place to ask
[05:51] <_phate_> bob2: I asked there. But Its dead.
[05:51] <veritas> Sweet. So I tried to enable my PCMCIA network card and it ended up disconencting my internal card
[05:51] <veritas> Now I can't connect to the internet in Ubuntu
[05:51] <danko123456> is Eclipse in any repository maybe?
[05:51] <veritas> How do I reconnect, I can't find any option to do so
[05:51] <crimsun> masterloki: paste the contents of /proc/asound/cards there, too
[05:52] <beh> Amaranth: ok now it says can't read config file check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg, but that file exists
[05:52] <bob2> danko123456: try searching the wiki
[05:52] <bob2> it doesn't appear to be in any ubuntu repository yet
[05:52] <Amaranth> beh: no, i think it gives two errors
[05:52] <Brunellus> weird
[05:52] <beh> ohh you are right i missed it
[05:52] <beh> freepats.cfg
[05:52] <beh> ok nvm
[05:52] <Brunellus> I ran gaim in gdb while in fluxbox
[05:52] <pztak> i can't get it to work on any other resolution other than 1400x1050
[05:52] <Brunellus> and it runs *fine*
[05:52] <Amaranth> get the freepats package
[05:53] <Brunellus> weirdness!
[05:53] <danko123456> thanks.
[05:53] <drcodedd2> any help bob2?
[05:53] <veritas> How do you reenable a connection in Ubuntu
[05:53] <veritas> My network card is active but I'm listed as disconnected
[05:53] <bob2> drcodedd2: you haven't actually answered my question yet
[05:53] <drcodedd2> I know the port
[05:53] <mindspore> well, i installed the nvidia drivers, and i get the splash screen.. but, doom3 still comes up with the black screen
[05:53] <drcodedd2> I open in fw all port
[05:54] <bob2> drcodedd2: ok, so you don't
[05:54] <drcodedd2> so I dont think my fw is block
[05:54] <bob2> please just say that in future
[05:54] <drcodedd2> no
[05:54] <bob2> drcodedd2: what port do you have openvpn running on?
[05:54] <crimsun> _phate_: try asking again
[05:54] <crimsun> _phate_: (in #kubuntu)
[05:54] <masterloki> done
[05:54] <_phate_> crimsun: I just did no one seems to want to/will respond
[05:55] <crimsun> _phate_: sorry, I was busy reading masterloki's pastebin pastes
[05:55] <veritas> crimsun: How do I reenble my connection in Ubuntu?
[05:55] <masterloki> now what
[05:55] <segphault> I'm having some small probs with my sound blaster card. I'm not hearing anything from the speakers plugged into line-out. Any suggestions?
[05:55] <drcodedd2> 119
[05:55] <drcodedd2> 110
[05:55] <drcodedd2> my vpn can connec to vpn server
[05:55] <crimsun> masterloki: mute the Capture elements
[05:55] <drcodedd2> it work
[05:55] <masterloki> Ok
[05:55] <crimsun> segphault: which card?
[05:55] <recons> me download now
[05:56] <recons> hopefully happy will be result
[05:56] <drcodedd2> vpn server is 10.1.0.1 and vpn client is 10.1.0.2
[05:56] <masterloki> Line and line In=?
[05:56] <crimsun> masterloki: Capture
[05:56] <segphault> crimsun, relatively old sound blaster live
[05:56] <drcodedd2> I Can ping from client to 10.1.0.1 and also the dfualt gw of client is 10.1.0.1
[05:56] <crimsun> segphault: I need an id either from /proc/asound/cards or from lspci -v
[05:56] <bob2> drcodedd2: no, you need to find out what port
[05:57] <bob2> drcodedd2: 110 udp or tcp?
[05:57] <drcodedd2> vpn port is 110
[05:57] <drcodedd2> both
[05:57] <bob2> drcodedd2: also, why are you running it on the traditional POP3 port?
[05:57] <drcodedd2> bcz fw block
[05:57] <drcodedd2> I can use on;y this port
[05:57] <veritas> Can someone please help me reenble my connection
[05:57] <segphault> crimsun, "Creative Labs CT4780 SBLive!" using EMU10k1
[05:57] <drcodedd2> I think I need to setup somthing in vpn server
[05:58] <crimsun> segphault: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[05:58] <masterloki> done
[05:58] <masterloki> still no sound but I re-posted it
[05:58] <crimsun> masterloki: I presume you're using line-out and not the optical/spdif?
[05:58] <masterloki> ?
[05:58] <liable> bob2: even that is debatable, they were first.
[05:58] <crimsun> masterloki: analog connection to speakers?
[05:58] <masterloki> I didn't get it
[05:59] <segphault> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/279829
[05:59] <liable> woops
[05:59] <masterloki> If U mean plug'em like a headspeaker to a MP3 player they in this way
[05:59] <veritas> How do I get my network conenction in ubuntu out of "disconnected"
[06:00] <crimsun> segphault: please unmute the 'SB Live Analog/Digital Output Jack' element
[06:01] <mindspore> Can anyone help me figure out why Doom 3 gives me a black screen under ubuntu..... i have nvidea drivers installed, have Open GL, it's in 24bit...
[06:01] <veritas> ssdasdas
[06:02] <crimsun> masterloki: with Hoary?
[06:02] <masterloki> Yes
[06:02] <segphault> crimsun: where?
[06:02] <crimsun> segphault: using alsamixer or amixer
[06:02] <masterloki> just updated like my Motherboard
[06:02] <crimsun> masterloki: default Hoary kernel?
[06:02] <masterloki> yes
[06:03] <crimsun> masterloki: -386 or -$another ?
[06:03] <crimsun> masterloki: -k7?
[06:03] <veritas> Am I still connected?
[06:03] <veritas> Or is everyone just ignoring me -.-
[06:04] <chromozome> I have a Toshiba Sat Pro 6100 Dual Booting XP/Xandros, I installed ubuntu (hoary) on my desktop and love it, how hard will it be to replace Xandros with Ubuntu and still dual boot?
[06:04] <crimsun> sorry, just kinda busy, veritas. Not ignoring you.
[06:04] <veritas> Hahahaha.
[06:04] <crimsun> veritas, please describe your configuration and the symptoms
[06:04] <crimsun> masterloki: in-channel, please
[06:05] <metalsand> Crimsun: I have two issues
[06:06] <metalsand> 1) My wireless connection: eth0 (Internal Intel card) is active, but displays disconnected
[06:06] <metalsand> So, I can't access the internet with it
[06:06] <metalsand> 2) I have a new PCMCIA card I want to use over that
[06:06] <metalsand> But I don't know how to get drivers for it
[06:06] <metalsand> I'm still getting use to the idea of the repostories
[06:06] <crimsun> metalsand: which Intel wireless chipset?
[06:07] <metalsand> Erm... 2915 A/B/G
[06:07] <metalsand> I've used it before
[06:07] <metalsand> But while trying to get my PCMCIA net card to work it somehow got disconected
[06:07] <metalsand> and now I can't access the internet
[06:08] <metalsand> So, I'm posting from my desktop
[06:09] <segphault> crimsun: ok, I got it unmuted, but it's not letting me increase the volume of that particular meter
[06:09] <crimsun> segphault: that's fine.
[06:09] <crimsun> segphault: please adjust your Master meter. It should work.
[06:09] <danko123456> bob2: thanks, it totally works...
[06:09] <mebaran151> I need some help with mplayer subtitles
[06:10] <danko123456> soooooo easy...like on OSX, no harder...
[06:10] <danko123456> unzip...
[06:10] <danko123456> still, mebaran151?
[06:11] <crimsun> metalsand: does the ipw2200 driver work?
[06:12] <metalsand> Whatever the defult driver installed for it works
[06:12] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:12] <metalsand> Like I said, I've used it before
[06:12] <mebaran151> I have solved alot of it
[06:12] <mebaran151> I found that vobsub's are pictures
[06:12] <segphault> Crane: that didn't solve the problem
[06:12] <mebaran151> and that I need -vobsub to load them
[06:12] <segphault> errr
[06:12] <crimsun> metalsand: have you tried unloading the module then reinserting it?
[06:12] <segphault> s/crane/crimsun
[06:12] <crimsun> segphault: does aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav work?
[06:12] <crimsun> segphault: i.e., can you hear anything? does it hang?
[06:13] <metalsand> I've restarted, Crimsun... Is that what unloading the module means
[06:13] <metalsand> I'm going to restart again.
[06:13] <segphault> crimsun: the problem is that i'm only getting sound out of the speakers plugged into the main audio out, not out of the speakers plugged into line-out
[06:13] <regeya_> oh thank god there's a gconf key for the ubuntu-spatial mode
[06:14] <crimsun> metalsand: sudo modprobe -r ipw2200 && sudo modprobe ipw2200
[06:15] <crimsun> segphault: ah. You'll want to unmute Surround and adjust Wave Surround then.
[06:15] <sunux> 
[06:15] <danko123456> hah
[06:15] <sunux> you?
[06:15] <danko123456> gotta save that...
[06:15] <elcu> cool, xchat rendered those characters.
[06:16] <sunux> 
[06:16] <masterloki> crimsun so what do I do now?
[06:16] <crimsun> masterloki: sec, I have to look at your paste.
[06:17] <masterloki> Ok
[06:17] <dazzed> whats the create folder commnad ? i forgetted :)
[06:17] <segphault> crimsun: thanks! I really appreciate it. =} works perfectly
[06:18] <crimsun> masterloki: hmm, mute the Mic, Video, Aux, Capture
[06:18] <crimsun> segphault: np
[06:18] <bretzel> elcu: " cool, xchat rendered those characters." -- I confirm :-)
[06:18] <elcu> dazzed: mkdir
[06:18] <limer> I've installed glunarclock via synaptic . . . but can't seem to run it :P  suggestions?
[06:19] <dazzed> elcu: i fieel so stupid for forgettin :) thanks
[06:19] <elcu> np
[06:20] <z3k3__> :)
[06:20] <elcu> bretzel: heh.  i usually get these weird rectangles
[06:20] <masterloki> donw
[06:20] <masterloki> not working yet
[06:20] <elcu> (aside) i used to work in a pretzel store :-)
[06:21] <nopea> just grabbed Wine from Synaptic... anything I need to do to install a windows app... or just run the installer?
[06:22] <xMaximex> how can I edit gnome menu ? without using menu-editor because it don't see all items in the menu
[06:22] <nate__> ls
[06:22] <PabloEscobar> is there anyway to clean out dependancies that are not needed anymore?
[06:22] <masterloki> nopea: just associate wine with .exe
[06:22] <limer> I've installed glunarclock via synaptic . . . but can't seem to run it :P  suggestions?
[06:23] <masterloki> or run wine "/path/to/installer.exe"
[06:23] <nopea> masterloki, how do installers work in terms of where they install the software too?
[06:23] <crimsun> PabloEscobar: use aptitude
[06:24] <mebaran151> anyone here use GeexBox
[06:24] <masterloki> the programs is installed in ~/.wine/C/Program Files
[06:24] <masterloki> but wine doesn't run all win app's
[06:24] <masterloki> you can try
[06:24] <nopea> masterloki, cool thanks... I cant see anything in the menu for Wine so I am not sure if there are settings to be made to it
[06:25] <masterloki> Ok
[06:25] <masterloki> just poke around for a while
[06:25] <elcu> nopea: no man page for it?
[06:25] <masterloki> man wine?
[06:25] <nopea> elcu, where would I find that?
[06:25] <elcu> try 'info wine'  as well.
[06:26] <elcu> nopea: see masterloki's post
[06:26] <elcu> type that in a terminal
[06:26] <ryman> what program do I need to burn mp3 CD ? so that I can transfer musics from Ubuntu to my winxp box
[06:26] <crimsun> masterloki: 1.0.6, correct? (cat /proc/asound/version)
[06:26] <limer> nm *blushes*
[06:27] <elcu> ryman: gnomebaker for gnome
[06:27] <elcu> i forgot the kde one
[06:27] <masterloki> cat /proc/asound/version retuned
[06:27] <masterloki> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.6 (Sun Aug 15 07:17:53 2004 UTC).
[06:27] <masterloki> Compiled on Apr  5 2005 for kernel 2.6.10-5-386.
[06:27] <masterloki> So yes
[06:27] <bretzel> Sorry, to bother you all ( again ) with my little, annoying, unimportant question: I still miss a clipboard history in Gnome - any one knows if one app exists for gnome ?
[06:27] <crimsun> masterloki: ok, please install linux-k7 and linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7
[06:28] <masterloki> with apt?
[06:28] <ryman> elcu+  thanks I will try it out
[06:28] <crimsun> masterloki: or synaptic, sure.
[06:28] <sig> bretzel: yes there is one
[06:28] <bretzel> sig; :-) ...and it is ?
[06:29] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:29] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#clipboard-daemon
[06:30] <bretzel> sig: oh! that clipboard deamon ? how we access the history with that app ? there is no infos...
[06:30] <masterloki> Ok 56 k is working just 3 hours and I'm done
[06:30] <masterloki> just kidding DSL 512 kb/s
[06:31] <Amaranth> 512 kb/s? that must be painful
[06:31] <masterloki> what U got?
[06:32] <masterloki> or is 512 Kb/s
[06:32] <nopea> 512kb/sec is half a mb a sec thats pretty good
[06:32] <nopea> 512kbits maybe ;-)
[06:32] <masterloki> olrigth
[06:32] <bretzel> anyway -- sleep time - I've over past the time limits...... ( my wife is calling -- no yelling at me to go to bed :-) ;-) -- :-(
[06:32] <danko123456> 64KB...
[06:32] <nate__> how can i be sure that my ssh is encrypted and secure?
[06:33] <danko123456> lol@bretzel
[06:33] <stuNNed> crimsun: why when i save something to the desktop it doesn't show up?
[06:34] <danko123456> awesome
[06:34] <crimsun> stuNNed: in gnome?
[06:34] <danko123456> stuNNed: try through a nautilus window, and refresh.
[06:34] <nate__> anyone?
[06:34] <danko123456> that will tell you if it is there at all, I think, or...just ls in a term...
[06:34] <danko123456> ssh is secure, I think, anyhow
[06:35] <masterloki> crimsun: do I have to reboot after the update
[06:35] <nate__> danko123456: well, sorta
[06:35] <crimsun> masterloki: yes, but not yet
[06:35] <crimsun> masterloki: after that completes, please install build-essential and alsa-source
[06:36] <masterloki> Ok
[06:37] <danko123456> thats a big one, build aessential, cant believe I didnt have it..
[06:37] <masterloki> crimsun: how do you send colored msg to a user?
[06:37] <crimsun> masterloki: your client is configured to do that by default if you append ':' or ',' to the nick
[06:37] <masterloki> :O
[06:39] <danko123456> khwarizmi, gotta love that nick...
[06:39] <waseem> hey im trying to install jgrasp on my computer, but i keep on getting this error Could not find directory containing this class.
[06:39] <waseem> Class URL file is: "file:jgrasp.jar!/Grasp.class".
[06:40] <masterloki> done
[06:40] <waseem> any ideas as to what im doing wrong?
[06:40] <stuNNed> danko123456: k thanks, yes crimsun, in gnome
[06:40] <masterloki> cirmsun: do i reboot now?
[06:40] <crimsun> masterloki: no.
[06:40] <crimsun> masterloki: now, sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source, choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug
[06:40] <masterloki> crimsun, I already installed build-essentials and Alsa-Source
[06:41] <waseem> does anyone in here use jgrasp and want to help me with the installation?
[06:42] <masterloki> Wich do I choose
[06:42] <masterloki> crimsun: i got via 8235 with C-Media Electronics CMI9761
[06:42] <crimsun> masterloki: via82xx
[06:43] <masterloki> ok
[06:43] <danko123456> waseem: tried http://cit.wta.swin.edu.au/cit/subjects/CITP0014/tools/600_012_JGrasp_Linux.html ?
[06:43] <waseem> danko123456: thanks for the link
[06:43] <danko123456> tried that?
[06:44] <danko123456> let me know if it works, pls.
[06:44] <masterloki> crimsun: done
[06:44] <masterloki> now?
[06:44] <elcu> danko123456: swinburne uni? :)
[06:44] <waseem> ok
[06:44] <danko123456> oh, yeah....
[06:44] <danko123456> thanks
[06:45] <danko123456> elcu: were you down uinder?
[06:45] <crimsun> masterloki: now, cd /usr/src && sudo tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=2.6.10-5-k7 KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7
[06:45] <elcu> danko123456: monash
[06:45] <danko123456> what language is that?
[06:45] <elcu> ?
[06:45] <danko123456> or are you jus high?
[06:45] <danko123456> :P
[06:45] <crimsun> he's saying monash, au
[06:45] <masterloki> crimsun: man are you a developer?
[06:46] <danko123456> oh, ok...
[06:46] <crimsun> masterloki: not for Ubuntu, no
[06:46] <danko123456> a prof
[06:46] <danko123456> :P
[06:46] <elcu> danko123456: thought you were an aussie ... guess not
[06:46] <danko123456> no, not at all.
[06:46] <dazzed> can anyone help me install the xmmsinfopipe perl module i got it but dunno how to install
[06:46] <waseem> danko123456: ya ive done everything on that page already
[06:46] <danko123456> ok, cool.
[06:47] <waseem> but im still getting the error
[06:47] <danko123456> thats not cool...:P
[06:47] <Cowlike> dazzed is there a Makefile.PL in what you downloaded?
[06:47] <danko123456> whats the error?
[06:47] <metalsand> Crimson: the restart fixed my intenal card
[06:47] <waseem> Could not find directory containing this class.
[06:47] <waseem> Class URL file is: "file:jgrasp.jar!/Grasp.class".
[06:47] <metalsand> now how do I run an update to install the drivers for my new PCMCIA card?
[06:47] <crimsun> metalsand: ah, so it was indeed the infamous reset.
[06:48] <metalsand> I reset it once, but maybe I just ctrl + alt + backspaced
[06:48] <metalsand> and didn't fully reset.
[06:48] <crimsun> metalsand: use the update applet, or sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[06:48] <jordanau> Cowlike, remember if you are having difficulties with file permissions, dont be ashamed to ask at any time :D
[06:49] <Cowlike> jordanau   :)
[06:49] <Cowlike> jordanau, what's the sticky bit again and what is the chmod to set it?   (j/k)
[06:49] <metalsand> Going through a bunch of downloading/installing :D
[06:50] <metalsand> Done... Done... Should I assume it got the drivers for my PCMCIA card, Crimsun?
[06:50] <sproingie> can someone remind me how to get and compile a source package with apt?
[06:50] <jordanau> Cowlike, i am glad you are kidding cause i couldnt answer!
[06:50] <crimsun> sproingie: apt-get build-dep somepackage && apt-get -b source somepackage
[06:50] <crimsun> Cowlike: 7
[06:50] <Cowlike> lol
[06:50] <clee> so, what's my best bet for burning a DVD successfully?
[06:50] <jordanau> haha
[06:50] <Cowlike> it's not 7
[06:50] <Cowlike> :)
[06:51] <clee> growisofs freezes at the very beginning here
[06:51] <crimsun> it's +t ;)
[06:51] <clee> refuses to move past 0.0%
[06:51] <metalsand> Does anyone in the channel have experience running Kismet?
[06:51] <Cowlike> very useful on /tmp so those other weasels don't go rm'ing your files :)
[06:51] <crimsun> clee: probably dvd+rw-tools in conjunction with a frontend if that so suits you
[06:51] <shido6> how do I restart my mouse services
[06:51] <shido6> it dies a lot
[06:51] <sproingie> crimsun: know of any way to browse source repos besides ftp?  i can't find mzscheme anywhere in aptitude, but i think there's a source package.
[06:51] <shido6> randomly
[06:52] <neighborlee> trying to print in gimp...printer name says what it should which is officejet5500HP...but printer model just says postscript level 2..is there a fix for this or am I just missing a needed driver or something???
[06:52] <crimsun> clee: though I apologise in advance if that doesn't suit you, since I don't have a dvd+rw
[06:52] <crimsun> clee: might want to ping calc or zack ;)
[06:52] <danko123456> waseem...
[06:53] <dazzed> so can anyone help me installing a pm?
[06:53] <sproingie> i wish aptitude would do sources
[06:53] <danko123456> can you paste the jgrasp file somewhere?
[06:53] <waseem> danko123456: i posted the error up there
[06:53] <clee> crimsun: hm. growisofs, from dvd+rw-tools, doesn't work.
[06:54] <danko123456> pastebin...
[06:54] <clee> http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about24473.html and http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2005/02/msg00042.html indicate that it's not just me
[06:54] <clee> (this is a Plextor SATA DVD burner)
[06:54] <crimsun> clee: d'oh, ok. Sorry. Again, I don't have the hardware.
[06:55] <clee> weird thing is, I can burn a CD fine with cdrecord
[06:55] <dazzed> anyone help me install a perlmodule pwease :)?
[06:55] <z3k3__> dazzed: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=how+to+install+a+perl+module
[06:55] <sig> dazzed: which one?
[06:55] <z3k3__> :P
[06:55] <dazzed> sig: xmmsinfopipe
[06:55] <jordanau> cowbud, so it allows people to write to files but not rename or delete the file??
[06:55] <dazzed> z3k3__: ill give that a look
[06:55] <jordanau> Cowlike, ^^
[06:55] <dazzed> z3k3__: if i havent like 1000times already
[06:55] <metalsand> What's the apt-get command to install a Ethernet modem?
[06:55] <z3k3__> dazzed: also look for info on cpan
[06:56] <Cowlike> jordanau, if the sticky bit is set on a dir, only the user who creates a file in that dir, or root, can rm the file
[06:56] <dazzed> z3k3__: i got it from cpan
[06:56] <sig> dazzed: hmm
[06:56] <dad> What is the difference between kernels 2.4 (stable?), 2.5 (?) and 2.6 (testing?)
[06:56] <z3k3__> dazzed: which module
[06:56] <sig> see if it is in apt
[06:56] <dazzed> but i dunno how to install it...i try bash INSTALL no go
[06:56] <Cowlike> jordanau, normally anyone with write access to the dir can remove it
[06:56] <dazzed> z3k3__: xmms Info Pipe
[06:56] <sig> dad: the stable part
[06:56] <sig> lol
[06:56] <z3k3__> pico -w INSTALL?
[06:56] <dazzed> z3k3__: i have the plugin i just neeed to install perl module
[06:56] <stuNNed> dad: 2.6 is stable for most
[06:56] <jordanau> Cowlike, i could see how that would be very useful for people other than myself
[06:56] <dad> i'm having net crashes with 2.6.11.7
[06:56] <sig> joe@Laptop:~$ apt-cache search xmms info pipe
[06:57] <Cowlike> jordanau, useful on a multi-user system
[06:57] <sig> xmms-infopipe - General plugin for XMMS, reports real-time information to a pipejoe@Laptop:~$
[06:57] <dad> i was thinking about dropping down to either 2.5 or 2.4
[06:57] <z3k3__> dazzed: what plugin?
[06:57] <dazzed> sig: that just gives me the plugin
[06:57] <dazzed> z3k3__: its for torsmo
[06:57] <Cowlike> dazzed, did you download a tgz with the module or what?
[06:57] <gorilla_> dad, try 2.6.10 as the 2.5 series are for kernel developers only....
[06:58] <sig> apt-cache search cpan
[06:58] <jordanau> i am going to be setting up my parents computer to be accessed by me through ssh, can i periodically back things up automatically through ssh as well?
[06:58] <masterloki> Ok
[06:58] <dazzed> Cowlike: yeah kinda....i got it with a build.pl a install and a manifest but i dunno use any of em they arent working
[06:58] <dazzed> Cowlike: and it cam with the pm ina  lib folder
[06:58] <segphault> I'm trying to build vim with ruby support... and it can't find the headers. I tried installing ruby-dev, but there doesn't seem to be one. Any suggestions?
[06:58] <z3k3__> dad: what kind of crashes
[06:58] <gorilla_> jordanau, yes try rdiff-backup or checking freshmeat. :-)
[06:58] <jordanau> gorilla_, thanks
[06:59] <dad> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timeout
[06:59] <dad> thats what dmesg shows.. I always have to reboot.. my net stops working randomly
[06:59] <masterloki> crimsun: Done just got some warning about deprecated pointers ans non defined structures, but it say everything was done succesfully
[06:59] <crimsun> masterloki: ls ../*.deb
[06:59] <Cowlike> dazzed: did you try running "perl build.pl && sudo install"?   usually cpan stuff comes witn a Makefile.PL and you do "perl Makefile.PL && sudo make install"  no README or INSTALL to read?
[07:00] <dazzed> Cowlike: ill try ...the readme had nothing about thi install
[07:00] <masterloki> ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-k7_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[07:00] <crimsun> masterloki: ok, good. Now, dpkg -i ../*.deb
[07:01] <Cowlike> jordanau, you can remotely copy files, kind of like ftp, by using the program "scp" from the ssh suite.
[07:01] <dazzed> Cowlike:
[07:01] <dazzed> 
[07:01] <dazzed> Can't locate Module/Build.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Build.PL line 1.
[07:01] <dazzed> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Build.PL line 1.
[07:01] <cyphase> Go to http://cyphase.homelinux.com/ to try out my Wordpress Shoutbox plugin
[07:01] <dazzed> this is tupid :)
[07:01] <dazzed> lol
[07:01] <jordanau> Cowlike, thank you very much
[07:01] <z3k3__> dazzed: slocate Build.pm
[07:01] <masterloki> crimsun: Done
[07:01] <dazzed> it didnt come with a Build.pm do i need to get it?
[07:01] <masterloki> crimsun: no problems
[07:01] <crimsun> masterloki: good. Now you can reboot.
[07:01] <Cowlike> dazzed, yes
[07:01] <z3k3__> dazzed: perhaps the path to Build.pm may not be in the @INC?
[07:02] <dazzed> Cowlike, z3k3__ : GAY!
[07:02] <masterloki> I'll be rigth back
[07:02] <jordanau> dazzed, not that thats a bad thing...
[07:02] <dazzed> ill brb get some more  pm's to install a pm
[07:02] <dazzed> lol
[07:02] <Cowlike> there is an easier way to install modules through teh cpan shell but i don't know offhand exactly how to do it
[07:02] <dazzed> its just a pain to have to get all this shit it doesnt come with lol
[07:03] <limer> how do I have mplayer stretch the video in full screen?
[07:03] <z3k3__> dazzed: just trying to help, saying GAY! makes me respond "figure it out yourself then".
[07:03] <crimsun> Cowlike: here: http://wiki.splitbrain.org/debiansnippets
[07:03] <dazzed> z3k3__: no not calling you gay just the situation im in
[07:03] <dazzed> lol
[07:03] <z3k3__> humm..
[07:04] <z3k3__> well.. google is your friend.  sometimes...
[07:04] <Cowlike> crimsun, that looks like a good way! dazzed, check out htat link crimsun sent
[07:04] <dazzed> yeah sept when it gives u nothing !
[07:04] <DonL> how does "gay" describe the situation you're in?
[07:05] <segphault> this is starting to look bad... what do I do if I want to write ruby extensions on Ubuntu??
[07:05] <segphault> gah. This is the *only* deficiency I've found in Ubuntu, and it's enough to make me wish I hadn't switched. ={
[07:06] <crimsun> segphault: enable universe, install the appropriate ruby packages, and have at it.
[07:06] <jordanau> DonL,  is calling something you don't like gay an idiom?
[07:06] <molotov> you can't install jre for firefox through synaptic?
[07:06] <segphault> crimsun: I have universe, and it's got ruby... but not ruby-dev. No headers.
[07:06] <crimsun> segphault: which ruby, though?
[07:06] <crimsun> (there are different versions)
[07:07] <crimsun> 7.2? 7.4? 7.6?
[07:07] <segphault> crimsun: 1.8
[07:07] <dr_willis> 0_o
[07:07] <crimsun> err, sorry, I'm thinking of a completely different package
[07:07] <crimsun> (pike*)
[07:07] <DonL> jordanau, maybe renaming might be appropriate
[07:07] <segphault> ah
[07:07] <crimsun> segphault: err, ruby1.8-dev?
[07:08] <Cowlike> crimsun, does this command "dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan <modulename>" install the module as well?
[07:08] <crimsun> segphault: it's in main, btw
[07:08] <segphault> crimsun: apt-cache isn't finding it
[07:08] <segphault> crimsun: that would be the package tho
[07:08] <daryl_> So I've got Linux, now what????
[07:08] <molotov> Is there anyway to clean out deps. that are not neede danymore?
[07:08] <crimsun> segphault: Candidate: 1.8.1+1.8.2pre4-1   500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[07:08] <danko123456_away> hah
[07:09] <Burgundavia> molotov, deborphan
[07:09] <z3k3__> dazzed: perl-module-Build
[07:09] <segphault> crimsun: thanks. I was looking for ruby-dev before, not ruby1.8-dev
[07:09] <segphault> hehe I really got worried there for a minute
[07:09] <Burgundavia> molotov, install it and use the filter in synaptic
[07:09] <crimsun> Cowlike: /me wonders at --install
[07:09] <masterloki> crimsun: I'm back but still no sound now alsamixer don't let me set volume for master, PCM, surrond and others...
[07:09] <Cowlike> haha
[07:10] <Cowlike> crimsun, i always just used the way defined here... http://www.cpan.org/modules/INSTALL.html
[07:10] <crimsun> masterloki: eh? Please paste amixer output to pastebin.com again
[07:10] <masterloki> Ok
[07:10] <Cowlike> crimsun, still getting used to all these debian tricks
[07:10] <DonL> It's late here for me. t
[07:10] <z3k3__> dazzed: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Build/
[07:10] <DonL> Thanks for the chat. Night
[07:10] <danko123456_away> nigt
[07:11] <daryl_> I've just installed Ubuntu....  Now what?  Everything should run fine alone right?
[07:11] <dazzed> z3k3_away: im reading that right now and i got Build.pm installed under 5.8.4/KIF and its still not picking it up when i try to run perl Build.PL
[07:11] <Cowlike> daryl, no...unfortunately nothing works!
[07:12] <z3k3_away> daryl_: yep, now start installing stuff :)
[07:12] <daryl_> COOL!
[07:12] <tritium> Cowlike, come now, that's not true.
[07:12] <daryl_> I'm just a bit lost with all this new vocab.
[07:12] <segphault> daryl_: the base install has most of what you will want, but you can use synaptic to get more software
[07:12] <Cowlike> i'm just kidding of course
[07:12] <masterloki> crimsun: done
[07:12] <crimsun> masterloki: sec.
[07:12] <z3k3_away> dazzed: you should try to cpan install Module::Build and see if its installed er not
[07:12] <z3k3_away> dazzed: I am not a perl experty by any means, just a thought.
[07:12] <tritium> daryl_, well, what would you _like_ to do?
[07:13] <daryl_> I don't know... I just wanted to try Linux
[07:13] <crimsun> masterloki: looks like a corrupt /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:13] <dazzed> so 'cpan install Module::Build' and try that?
[07:13] <z3k3_away> daryl_: Feel the all inspiring glory of it... take it all in.
[07:13] <tritium> daryl_, awesome!  Glad you did.  :)
[07:13] <Cowlike> daryl, you picked a good distro to try.
[07:13] <masterloki> :O
[07:13] <z3k3_away> dazzed: looks close..
[07:13] <daryl_> I think so.
[07:13] <crimsun> masterloki: please exit any programs using the sound device, then sudo modprobe -r snd_via82xx snd_ac97_codec
[07:13] <segphault> daryl_: if you are generally a proficient computer user and you want to find out why so many of us prefer linux, google for a bash tutorial
[07:13] <daryl_> bash tutorial eh'
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: then sudo rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[07:14] <dazzed> z3k3_away: ok givin it a shot :)
[07:14] <daryl_> Another new word.. lol
[07:14] <Cowlike> daryl, and if you are a computer newbie, god help you :)
[07:14] <tritium> daryl_, we'll be here to help you too :)
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: then sudo modprobe snd_via82xx
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: then you should be able to use alsamixer to adjust the mixer elements again
[07:14] <daryl_> I'm not an idiot.... I can read and follow directions..
[07:14] <masterloki> how do i see wich app' are using the sound device
[07:14] <crimsun> masterloki: lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[07:15] <z3k3_away> daryl_: RTFM you mean.
[07:15] <z3k3_away> :P
[07:15] <difeta> I'm trying to install enlightenment r17 but I need libc6 >= 2.3.2.ds1-21 where can i get it? hoary on has 2.3.2.ds1-20
[07:15] <dazzed> z3k3_away: i think itll work if i can manage to do it with the right permissions ^-
[07:15] <daryl_> I didn't expect to be sitting here typing on a Linux system so fast.. Everythings seems to be moving in hyper speed..
[07:15] <daryl_> That's a good thing for now..
[07:16] <daryl_> I'm coming from OS X, which I've just learned as well.
[07:16] <z3k3_away> dazzed: http://www.livejournal.com/doc/server/lj.install.perl_setup.modules.html
[07:16] <Cowlike> difeta, is it newer in breezy? i have no idea, just a guess
[07:16] <tritium> daryl_, you installed on PowerPC?
[07:16] <z3k3_away> dazzed: that basically steps you through the entire 'cpan' interface.
[07:16] <dazzed> thanks
[07:16] <daryl_> Yeah I'm on a eMac
[07:16] <difeta> Cowlike, ill check
[07:16] <dazzed> thanks a bunch :)
[07:17] <segphault> wow. I didn't know ubuntu did the ppc thing
[07:17] <segphault> that's pretty cool
[07:17] <daryl_> I'm enjoying it...
[07:17] <daryl_> for now.
[07:17] <z3k3_away> segphault: yep.
[07:17] <masterloki> crimsun: alsamixer keeps the same
[07:18] <crimsun> masterloki: meaning you can't set anything?
[07:18] <z3k3_away> night all.
[07:18] <daryl_> I was just compleatly fed up with windows.. Bought a Mac, learned a little more.. Made me very curious, and now I'm toying with Linux.. All in about 2 months.
[07:18] <nopea> how do I associate .exe files with wine?
[07:18] <z3k3_away> daryl_: i was there once.  5 years later.  still trying Linux.  :)
[07:18] <daryl_> lol..
[07:18] <z3k3_away> nopea: wine thefile.exe  ?
[07:19] <crimsun> masterloki: I noticed that the bug I suspected is confirmed to exist
[07:19] <masterloki> crimsun: only center, cd, mic, auc, pc speak, and via DXS wich appears 3 time
[07:19] <crimsun> masterloki: you need to mute 'IEC958 Capture Monitor'
[07:19] <daryl_> Yeah so I figured a couple of beers and sit around and watch this channel would be a good thing.
[07:19] <daryl_> Even IRC is new to me.. (today)
[07:19] <difeta> Cowlike, yep, its upgraded in breezy
[07:19] <z3k3_away> daryl_: I prefer scotch.  but yep.. its entertaining.
[07:19] <Cowlike> difeta, looks like you're all set :)
[07:19] <daryl_> I love scotch..
[07:19] <daryl_> B&W
[07:20] <daryl_> JB
[07:20] <z3k3_away> daryl_: i just finished Glenfidich.. now i'm onto GlenLivet
[07:20] <z3k3_away> Both nice.
[07:20] <daryl_> Nice....
[07:20] <nopea> z3k3_away, cheers... it open the file
[07:20] <daryl_> GlenLivet would be my 1st choice..
[07:20] <z3k3_away> nopea: awesome!
[07:20] <masterloki> crimsun: can't mute it only set it's value to zero and there is another that says analog
[07:20] <daryl_> SO...  Is there some more channels to hit up with less traffic?
[07:20] <z3k3_away> daryl_: at X-mas I bought my uncle a bottle of Oban ($95.00CDN), we drank it in one night.. it was so tasty.
[07:21] <nopea> z3k3_away, so do I need to run wine from the command for all Windows apps?
[07:21] <daryl_> Yummy!
[07:21] <masterloki> crimsun: ups wrong IEC958, I just muted it...
[07:22] <masterloki> crimsun: the Capture Monitor
[07:22] <crimsun> masterloki: yes, Capture Monitor needs to be muted.
[07:22] <Z3K3> nopea: actually, try and find a comparible open source application and install and run it if possible.
[07:22] <masterloki> Ok
[07:22] <masterloki> now
[07:22] <crimsun> masterloki: now try using amixer to set the volume manually.
[07:22] <masterloki> crimsun: ok
[07:22] <TrendKill> hey guys im having trouble watching divx movies in hoary...anyone can help?
[07:23] <nopea> Z3K3, sorry dont really follow :-(
[07:23] <Z3K3> nopea: if you run a windows app a lot, you could always create a "launcher"
[07:23] <crimsun> TrendKill: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:23] <TrendKill> crimsun, thanks
[07:23] <alvaro> how can I print a pdf ussing cups?
[07:23] <Z3K3> nopea: for example, instead of windows app photoshop, use linux app gimp.
[07:23] <Z3K3> nopea: etc, etc, etc.
[07:23] <Z3K3> :)
[07:24] <dazzed> gimp is better anyway
[07:24] <nopea> Z3K3,ahhh hehe yeah well I still havent an HTML editor that can do the things I want to do in Dreamweaver
[07:25] <dazzed> nopea: i am a webdesigner...bluefish or something like that works just as good
[07:25] <daryl_> The only gripe I have so far is my single button mouse..  There surely must be something out there to help incorporate this into my newly found OS?
[07:25] <dazzed> i forget what its called as i like to code most things b y hand
[07:25] <Z3K3> nopea: I here you there.  For a WYSIWYG thing.  I know there is some WYSIWYG editior as part of Mozilla I think.
[07:25] <masterloki> crimsun: mixer -c 0 sset Master 100
[07:25] <masterloki> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
[07:25] <masterloki>   Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
[07:25] <masterloki>   Playback channels: Mono
[07:25] <masterloki>   Mono: Playback [on] 
[07:25] <Myrtti> huomenta, I mean good morning to all
[07:25] <segphault> nopea: Vim... best html editor ever. =}
[07:25] <masterloki> crimsun: is this rigth?
[07:25] <Myrtti> nopea: have you tried nvu?
[07:25] <Z3K3> nopea: and perhaps bluefush as dazzed suggested.
[07:25] <nopea> dazzed, Yes bluefish is good.. the only thing I want is to be able to chop up tables like I can in DW's WYSIWYG
[07:25] <Dethread> vim, best editor ever...for anything!
[07:25] <segphault> daryl_: get a mouse with two buttons. ;-D
[07:26] <g14> vim is weak, real men use ed
[07:26] <Z3K3> or pico for the lazy
[07:26] <crimsun> masterloki: syntax-wise, yes
[07:26] <Dethread> pico is the devil
[07:26] <daryl_> Yeah I keep on meaing to do that...
[07:26] <dazzed> nopea: true that would make things easier
[07:26] <crimsun> masterloki: (you want to do that for PCM, too)
[07:26] <Z3K3> lol
[07:26] <masterloki> Ok
[07:26] <nopea> Myrtti, Nvu can do that either :(
[07:26] <crimsun> masterloki: (though 100 may distort)
[07:26] <masterloki> Ok
[07:26] <daryl_> I need a good friend to come and smash this one.. I'm a cheap skate.
[07:26] <Myrtti> nopea: ok, I haven't tried it yet, I usually don't need wysiwygs
[07:26] <masterloki> crimsun: ok Set to 80
[07:26] <Myrtti> nopea: good to know
[07:26] <masterloki> crimsun: Now?
[07:26] <nopea> cant I mean
[07:27] <Myrtti> nopea: got that :->
[07:27] <crimsun> masterloki: confirm that it works or doesn't?
[07:27] <tritium> daryl_, F12 acts like the right mouse button
[07:27] <nopea> Myrtti, yeah Blue fish is great for HTML - I am just lazy I gueess DW is great for tables
[07:27] <daryl_> And my "eject" key does as well..
[07:27] <Myrtti> nopea: I'd need it for the same reason too
[07:27] <Z3K3> g'night.
[07:27] <Z3K3> #exit
[07:27] <Z3K3> lol
[07:28] <dazzed> nopea: your right DW is GREAT with tables
[07:28] <dazzed> but when it comes down to it ... i need to get to the nitty gritty and do it by the pixel test and go
[07:28] <Myrtti> but I'd be in extacy if Chami's HTML-kit were available for Linux
[07:28] <Myrtti> that would be orgastic
[07:28] <nopea> I guess one option would be have Dreamweaver on one of the network Windows amchien and RDP into it
[07:28] <masterloki> crimsun: refuses to work
[07:29] <daryl_> I'm trying to figure this IRC out as well. SO... How are you imputing text with my name up front and making the font red at the same time?
[07:29] <ivoks> :)
[07:29] <ivoks> morning
[07:29] <nopea> dang I cant type today :(
[07:29] <crimsun> masterloki: how about creating a softvol asoundrc?
[07:29] <nopea> ok maybe not just today ;-O
[07:29] <ivoks> daryl_ LOL
[07:29] <Myrtti> daryl_: it's all about your irc-program
[07:29] <ivoks> daryl_ that's ur app doing
[07:29] <masterloki> crimsun: how do I do that?
[07:29] <Myrtti> it highlights all the text with you nick within
[07:29] <daryl_> X something.. Came with the Linux.
[07:30] <daryl_> Ah.. C-chat
[07:30] <nopea> anybody try DW under wine?
[07:30] <segphault> daryl_: xchat
[07:30] <TrendKill> crimsun, is it possible to install the win32 codecs on an ubuntu 64 system?
[07:30] <ivoks> with linux, lol
[07:30] <daryl_> x-chat.
[07:30] <daryl_> yup
[07:30] <ivoks> it camed with gnome
[07:30] <ivoks> not linux
[07:30] <segphault> daryl_: if you start typing someone's nick and hit the tab key, it auto-completes it and puts in the colon
[07:30] <ivoks> u didn't even seen linux
[07:30] <crimsun> masterloki: pcm.soft { type softvol slave.pcm "hw:0,0" }
[07:30] <crimsun> masterloki: you may wish to consult the alsa-lib documentation and alsa.opensrc.org
[07:30] <masterloki> in /etc/asound.conf?
[07:30] <Myrtti> ivoks: give the newbie a chance before whaling him to death
[07:30] <crimsun> masterloki: ~/.asoundrc
[07:30] <ivoks> Myrtti :) ok :)
[07:31] <crimsun> masterloki: (or /etc/asound.conf, sure)
[07:31] <limer> I love vlc :D
[07:31] <crimsun> masterloki: I'm also in #alsa if you want to ping me there
[07:31] <daryl_> Ok... so for a test....
[07:31] <ivoks> Myrtti newbies in croatia call Linux - Linuxi (plurall)
[07:31] <crimsun> TrendKill: in a 32-bit chroot, sure
[07:31] <daryl_> crimsun, Did I do it right?
[07:32] <Myrtti> ivoks: so?
[07:32] <ivoks> Myrtti couse we say Windows here and refere to plurall :)
[07:32] <crimsun> daryl_: my irc client highlights, yes
[07:32] <ivoks> ah, never mind
[07:32] <daryl_> Great!
[07:32] <daryl_> lol... getting better at this every second.
[07:32] <Myrtti> <3 irssi
[07:33] <daryl_> brb all...
[07:33] <Myrtti> hm, I need new wallpaper
[07:34] <nate__> hehehe
[07:35] <nate__> hahaha
[07:35] <molotov> gtk+-2.0 not found while doing a makefile
[07:35] <nate__> w00t!
[07:35] <molotov> what package is that in
[07:35] <crimsun> molotov: libgtk2.0-dev
[07:35] <molotov> is there a way to clean out unused dependancies?
[07:35] <crimsun> someone already answered that, molotov ;)
[07:36] <daryl_> What do I need to do to keep this OS running up to par now?
[07:36] <Myrtti> there ~/ cleaned up
[07:36] <ivoks> deborphan
[07:36] <molotov> crimsun, name didn't go off
[07:36] <metasquier> Hi, I was wondering if someone would be so kind to redirect me to a howto page on how to appy a mnlinuz patch.
[07:36] <metasquier> vmlinuz*
[07:37] <Myrtti> molotov: then you should reconfigure your IRC-client
[07:37] <molotov> could you repeat
[07:37] <Myrtti> if you meant that a highlight didn't light up when your nick isn't mentioned first, then it's a thing on your IRC-client
[07:38] <molotov> no, what was attached to what I missed
[07:38] <nopea> Well DW dies when trying to install
[07:38] <Myrtti> I've slept too little
[07:38] <daryl_> What's a good app to rip DVD's?
[07:38] <molotov> crimsun, ?
[07:38] <metasquier> I had some problems with my USB controllers because I have a SiS chipset, and I was told to apply a patch (vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686.2) but I have no idea how to do this
[07:39] <daryl_> I have so many questions...
[07:40] <metasquier> I was hoping someone could point me to a howto or somthing that might shed some light on my situation
[07:40] <crimsun> molotov: which?
[07:40] <crimsun> molotov: deborphan? aptitude?
[07:40] <metasquier> sorry?
[07:40] <daryl_> Can Gmail be set up through whatever mail client ubuntu uses?  I couldn't find anything on gmails help link.
[07:40] <punkass> does any one know how to feed input to a command run from a bash script...for example in a bash script i have "apt-get install somepackage" and now it asks for a "install Y or N" and i want the bash script to automatically put in a Y without any user intervention
[07:40] <punkass> any thoughts?
[07:40] <Myrtti> daryl_: yes
[07:40] <crimsun> punkass: -y
[07:41] <daryl_> Myrtti, do I use POP?
[07:41] <crimsun> punkass: to apt-get
[07:41] <Myrtti> daryl_: yes
[07:41] <crimsun> punkass: otherwise, just echo y to the process
[07:41] <metasquier> daryl: yeah you use pop, I dont know how to configure it, havent tried yet... Im planning to, but somehow you need to get it to use TLS and a different port number for smtp
[07:41] <punkass> well apt-get was just an example..i am curous about any command...say adduser as another example where it asks for firstname lastname etc
[07:42] <metasquier> try Thunderbird
[07:42] <metasquier> thats easy to setup with gmail
[07:42] <tritium> daryl_, I'm using evolution with gmail (via POP).  My only issue is that messages I delete in evo don't get deleted on gmail
[07:42] <metasquier> then you need to untick the the leave messages on server option
[07:43] <daryl_> tritium, I had the same issue with Apple Mail.
[07:43] <tritium> daryl_, that's good to know...
[07:43] <metasquier> gmail dont like you deleteing message of the server
[07:43] <Myrtti> tritium: that's because you're using pop
[07:43] <metasquier> they give you huge as accounts so that you dont delete your messages.......fishy
[07:43] <daryl_> Yeah every week or so I'd log in to the website and archive everything.
[07:43] <tritium> Myrtti, no way around it, then?
[07:43] <molotov> crimsun, what's that mean?
[07:44] <Myrtti> pop usually doesn't have the "delete message on server if deleted locally" -feature
[07:44] <metasquier> does anyone know anything about patching the kernel?
[07:44] <crimsun> molotov: aptitude tracks package usage. deborphan is called. Please see their man pages.
[07:44] <daryl_> I have 3 email accounts I'd like to set up on my Linux side.. a comcast.net, a mac.com, and a gmail.  Should be no problem with any of them eh'?
[07:44] <punkass> @crimson:  and when i do something like adduser   echo "bill"  that doesnt work cuz its still waiting on the adduser command to finish
[07:45] <Myrtti> daryl_: depends on what email-client you choose
[07:45] <tritium> daryl_, shouldn't be a problem with evo.  I have several accounts configured.
[07:45] <crimsun> punkass: because the syntax is wrong
[07:45] <punkass> oh :)
[07:45] <daryl_> Cool..
[07:45] <metasquier> Can anyone give me some help on patching the kernel?
[07:45] <Myrtti> daryl_: if you pick some exotic, rough on the edges client, then you might have a problem
[07:45] <daryl_> Use JB Weld.. lol
[07:45] <crimsun> punkass: echo "$foo" | sudo adduser
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: but keep in mind you'll want to pass flags to adduser, not just use it by itself
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: the man page will help you with that
[07:46] <crimsun> punkass: else it will hang asking you for last name, first name, ...
[07:46] <daryl_> tritium, So everything should work with the email client that came with the distro then?
[07:46] <punkass> @crimsun: and that will work for multiple questions, as it asks, for name, password (twice) etc
[07:47] <crimsun> punkass: the man page explains all
[07:47] <tritium> daryl_, it should, yes.
[07:47] <daryl_> Cool thanks.
[07:47] <punkass> yeah i understand the adduser command... was just curious if echoing multiple items into it will still work
[07:48] <metasquier> Could someone please help me with patching my kernel? Ive looked everywhere for information but still makes no sense to me
[07:48] <daryl_> how about Yahoo Messenger.. Still usable?
[07:48] <tritium> daryl_, you can use gaim with yahoo messenger service
[07:49] <daryl_> Gaim?  Come with the distro?
[07:49] <tritium> daryl_, yes.  Under Applications->Internet
[07:50] <daryl_> Anything funky I should be ready for?
[07:50] <daryl_> Ah.. I think I've got it..
[07:50] <danielretief> hey could someone please give me some help with patching my kernel so I can get my USB controller working?
[07:51] <calamari> hi
[07:51] <danielretief> hi
[07:51] <daryl_> calamari, Hi
[07:51] <Myrtti> could somebody please help danielretief, his repetative pleas of help start to annoy.
[07:52] <calamari> hi daryl
[07:52] <danielretief> hey calamari, do you know anything about patching kernels?
[07:52] <Myrtti> sorry, I can't
[07:52] <Myrtti> for the record
[07:52] <danielretief> lol sorry, Im desperate
[07:52] <calamari> danielretief: no, sorry..
[07:52] <daryl_> i told you daniel... Use JB Weld... lol
[07:52] <danielretief> JB Weld?
[07:52] <daryl_> LMOF
[07:53] <calamari> danielretief: I'd assume there is a faq, mini-faq, or howto for it somewhere out there for it
[07:53] <danielretief> yeah Ive been looking
[07:53] <Myrtti> daryl_: what's that, JB Weld?
[07:53] <daryl_> It's like a puddy... For fixing cracked plastics, steels etc.. I'm just joshing with you.
[07:53] <danielretief> I dont quite understand what a vmlinuz file is tho
[07:53] <calamari> danielretief: do you have the patch downloaded?
[07:53] <daryl_> Sorry..
[07:53] <daryl_> lol
[07:53] <danielretief> yes I do
[07:53] <calamari> danielretief: that is the binary file that the compiler produced
[07:54] <danielretief> yeah Ive downloaded it
[07:54] <calamari> it's the kernel image basically
[07:54] <danielretief> ok, so what do I do with it
[07:54] <calamari> danielretief: okay.. like I say, I know nothing about patching kernels.. but in other pojects I've seen, patches are applied to source code, not binaries
[07:54] <calamari> danielretief: this would make sense too, because the source is always the same.. binaries are not
[07:55] <daryl_> Okay... I've been at this linux for about 30 minutes now.. I still can figure out how to install Skype.
[07:55] <danielretief> tru, but still somthing about that file needs to be done, cos thats what the fix for my problem said in a forum
[07:55] <danielretief> however I have no idea what to do with the bin file
[07:55] <calamari> danielretief: I asumme you've also untarred/unzipped the patch?
[07:56] <danielretief> daryl_: linux is highly educational, dont give up, it will take you a while to get things working but its worth the learning experiance
[07:56] <Fanglez> is there any way to wipe the grub loader from my winxp install ad shove it to a floppy disk?
[07:56] <tritium> daryl_, you may find this URL handy: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:56] <daryl_> danielretief, Yeah I'm not a quitter...
[07:56] <danielretief> well it was just a .bin file
[07:56] <calamari> danielretief: interesting.. I'm not familiar with that for patches
[07:56] <Zambo33> anyone installed Hedgehog into Apple G3?
[07:56] <masterloki> crimsun: the file isn't there, but alsamixer still don't let me edit the values
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: yeah I found it weird too
[07:57] <calamari> danielretief: how big is it?
[07:57] <Zambo33> I tried 'install-power3' and it crashes into OpenBios
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: its actually one of the bugs on ubuntu's bugzilla
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: its not that big
[07:57] <ivoks> Zambo33 i installed debian on G3
[07:57] <calamari> danielretief: can you dcc it to me?
[07:57] <danielretief> calamari: relativly small, so definatly not the whole kernel
[07:57] <daryl_> don't know what to do with them yet.. I was expecting linux to be a big DOS like program.. I was pretty amazed at what the login screen gave me... lol.. I had no idea what I was getting into.. I just wanted to try it.
[07:57] <ivoks> Zambo33 just hit enter, don't choose other kernel
[07:58] <danielretief> calamari: hold Ill get you the URL where i got it from
[07:58] <calamari> danielretief: even better :)
[07:58] <Zambo33> ivoks: hmm... that was ok... but does it mean, I don't get G3 optimisations?
[07:58] <elcu> daryl_: how are you liking it so far?
[07:58] <ivoks> Zambo33 you will
[07:58] <tritium> daryl_, I hope you'll enjoy it enough to keep using it.
[07:58] <ivoks> Zambo33 default kernel is optimized for G3
[07:59] <Zambo33> ok, I try that now... :)
[07:59] <ivoks> Zambo33 but isn't for G4 and G5
[07:59] <daryl_> elcu, Umm not bad.. I don't know enough to know I don't know NOTHING! lol.
[07:59] <danielretief> calamari: This is the related bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1971 and Ill just get the patch URL
[07:59] <Zambo33> ivoks ThankS!!!
[07:59] <ryman> whats the command to remove a folder and all the files in it ?
[07:59] <calamari> Anyone know how to change the program that drives the Audio/Video properties tab (for example, go to Properties for an mp3).  It doesn't usually have useful information.  Maybe another program can do better.
[07:59] <Dethread> ryman, rm -rf folder
[08:00] <daryl_> tritium, I'm not going anywhere.. I finally got the dual OS's to boot, only took 3 days.  I'm here to stay.
[08:00] <ryman> Dethread+  thanks
[08:00] <tritium> danielretief, that bugzilla page says it's been fixed in the 2.6.10 kernel in Hoary
[08:00] <danielretief> calamari: this is the file I downloaded http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ubuntu/acpi/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686.2
[08:00] <freewoody> Hi all
[08:00] <daryl_> Those partitions are a pain if you've never done them before.
[08:00] <danielretief> tritium: I dont have Hoary yet
[08:01] <danielretief> tritium: Im still using Warty
[08:01] <freewoody> How do I know which firewall application gives these logs > IN=eth1 OUT=MAC ....
[08:01] <daryl_> boot strap's.... Yeah, I've got 2 of them on my feet.
[08:01] <daryl_> lol
[08:01] <dazzed> daryl_: true...you could just cut out ur whole windows partition and be linux obsessed by accident like me :)
[08:01] <tritium> danielretief, it would likely be less painful to upgrade to Hoary than to build a new, patched kernel, especially if you've never done it
[08:01] <elcu> daryl_: especially if you don't have a copy of partition magic handy
[08:01] <ivoks> lol
[08:01] <daryl_> dazzed, I'm on a Mac, but yeah.. I just did a clean wipe and started everything over.
[08:02] <tritium> daryl_, no more OS X at all?  I'm impressed
[08:02] <danielretief> tritium: yeah I figured but I really cant download an entire distro, I only have dialup, and my order of Hoary is coming, I just cant wait that long
[08:02] <dazzed> Burgundavia: what u talking?
[08:02] <danielretief> lol
[08:02] <daryl_> tritium, No I still have OS X..
[08:02] <dazzed> daryl_: yeah from what i here osx owns
[08:02] <ivoks> osx sucks
[08:02] <danielretief> whats this osx?
[08:02] <daryl_> I don't mind OS X..
[08:02] <dazzed> mac os
[08:02] <danielretief> is that, that windows clone?
[08:02] <danielretief> oh right
[08:02] <danielretief> tru
[08:02] <ivoks> lol windows clone :)
[08:02] <danielretief> its too damn expensive
[08:03] <dazzed> pay for the product
[08:03] <ivoks> where were windows when mac had it's OS? :)
[08:03] <freewoody> So can somebody help me figure out these logs > IN=eth1 OUT=MAC.. SRC.. DST...
[08:03] <elcu> danielretief: apparently, the latest one is worth it.
[08:03] <dazzed> they make quality computers
[08:03] <danielretief> oh nah I just got confused with that other thing some dude was making a windows clone
[08:03] <danielretief> hey how do you talk to only one person?
[08:03] <daryl_> It's called Lindows..
[08:03] <danielretief> no not that
[08:03] <danielretief> its not linux based
[08:03] <daryl_> Ah..
[08:03] <danielretief> its fully windows
[08:03] <dazzed> the new windows longhorn?
[08:03] <danielretief> no
[08:03] <danielretief> never mind
[08:03] <dazzed> they released a preview the other day
[08:04] <dazzed> i been thinking bout gettin it
[08:04] <dr_willis> 0_o
[08:04] <danielretief> its made by like one dude
[08:04] <elcu> danielretief: depends on your IRC client, try typeing half of someone's nick and then press tab
[08:04] <ivoks> there is one opensource, nt4-alike
[08:04] <daryl_> no.. Wallmart or something had these $250 or something PC out with "Lindows"
[08:04] <dazzed> elcu: i think he means pm's
[08:04] <molotov> mplayer says the following: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[08:04] <elcu> dazzed: ah, righto
[08:04] <molotov> but it seems that dsl-20 is the latest
[08:04] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer
[08:04] <danielretief> I think this works
[08:04] <daryl_> Oh hey... What do I use to rip DVD's now?
[08:05] <ivoks> danielretief ReactOS
[08:05] <ivoks> daryl_ acidrip
[08:05] <danielretief> YES thats it
[08:05] <molotov> ivoks: Package mplayer is a virtual package
[08:05] <daryl_> I used to use MacTheRipper.. BUT... I'm going to try to stay Linux for a while.
[08:05] <molotov> You should explicitly select one to install.
[08:05] <daryl_> Oh thanks..
[08:05] <danielretief> its crap still but heh it will be good if it can run some decent programs
[08:06] <tritium> daryl_, there's dvdrip.  I've never used it, so I can't say much about it.
[08:06] <ivoks> molotov  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v "^#"
[08:06] <daryl_> ivoks, does that come with the distro or do I need to go find it?
[08:06] <g14> thoggen works great for me
[08:06] <daryl_> tritium, Thanks..
[08:06] <g14> for dvds
[08:06] <daryl_> So there's a bunch then..
[08:06] <Burgundavia> g14, thoggen is very very slow, but a nice gui
[08:06] <ivoks> daryl_ it isn't in ubuntu
[08:07] <molotov> ivoks, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:07] <molotov> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:07] <molotov> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:07] <ivoks> daryl_ but there is on marilant
[08:07] <danielretief> thats the thing with ubuntu, you need to apt get most of the stuff
[08:07] <danielretief> thats why it only has one CD
[08:07] <daryl_> ivoks, Ah.. well I'm about 45 minutes young with this Linux stuff.  What is marilant?
[08:07] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-586
[08:07] <danielretief> hey tell me, is it easy to upgrade between ubuntu releses?
[08:08] <elcu> hmm, tried to install acidrip via synaptic: The following package has unresolved dependencies: acidrip:
[08:08] <elcu>  Depends: mencoder
[08:08] <molotov> ivoks, why can't i get the 386 to make su re it works on older cpus?
[08:08] <tritium> daryl_, see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:08] <molotov> ivoks, and 586 still spits out dep errors of wanting higher package then what is available
[08:08] <ivoks> molotov then use 386 :)
[08:08] <calamari> danielretief: I was reading the bugzilla page you gave me.. I believe I can help
[08:08] <molotov> same problem...
[08:08] <ivoks> molotov -t hoary/
[08:08] <danielretief> calamari, you can?
[08:08] <ivoks> molotov -t hoary?
[08:08] <molotov> yeah
[08:09] <daryl_> Look's like I've got some reading to do.. I'll be back in a few.
[08:09] <ivoks> molotov than comment out nerim sources in sources.list
[08:09] <ivoks> molotov u have everything explained on ubuntuguide.org
[08:09] <ivoks> daryl_ ubuntuguide.org
[08:09] <molotov> i'm following it to the tea
[08:10] <molotov> ivoks, if i comment out nerim sources mplayer isn't a package anymore
[08:10] <tritium> molotov, what are you installing?
[08:10] <ivoks> molotov lol
[08:10] <molotov> mplayer
[08:11] <ivoks> molotov do u have multiverse in sources.list?
[08:12] <molotov> no?
[08:12] <ivoks> well, u should have :)
[08:12] <ivoks> mplayer is in multiverse
[08:12] <ivoks> add same lines like universe, just shange universe with multiverse
[08:14] <molotov> Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[08:14] <molotov>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[08:14] <ivoks> molotov apt-get update
[08:14] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer
[08:15] <ivoks> molotov apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-586
[08:16] <ivoks> molotov follow ubuntuguid.org, u can't miss
[08:16] <devslashtux> yo, could someone give me a hand setting up mod_rewrite for Apache2 under Hoary. The package is installed through apt-get, a2enmod rewrite returns already installed and the mods_enabled dir has an entry in it. Im confused
[08:17] <ivoks> ?
[08:17] <ryman> Does anyone here able to get Ipod work on Ubuntu ?
[08:18] <ivoks> devslashtux u installed mod_rewrite2?
[08:18] <ivoks> devslashtux and u have link from mods-available to mods-enabled?
[08:18] <ivoks> did u restart apache2?
[08:18] <ivoks> then mod_rewrite is up and running
[08:19] <devslashtux> ivoks - ive done all of that, but when i try to use a URL that needs to be mod_rewriten i just get a 404
[08:19] <devslashtux> also, wouldn't apache return an error if the module was missing
[08:19] <ivoks> devslashtux check logs
[08:20] <ivoks> 404 is page not found
[08:20] <ivoks> maybe u didn't rewrite it well
[08:20] <devslashtux> give me a second, i'll check the logs
[08:20] <ivoks> this is apache type of question, not ubuntu :)
[08:21] <ivoks> oh.. have to go...
[08:21] <devslashtux> ivoks - thanks for the help anyway
[08:21] <ivoks> np
[08:22] <nate_> is the passphrase for a key in ssh sent encrypted?
[08:23] <crimsun> yes
[08:23] <daryl_> Anyhow guys... Thanks for the information.. It has been very helpful.. I have a couple truck loads of stuff to read to keep me busy for the rest of the year I'm sure.. I'll be sure to stop in ever now and then for your insight.  Thanks again.
[08:23] <tritium> see you around, daryl_
[08:23] <nate_> crimsun: thanks, I'm trying to set up ssh so I can be confident that its secure
[08:24] <nate_> crimsun: I see a lot of "how-to's" but not a lot of how its actually working when it does what it does
[08:24] <nate_> crimsun: sortof a mystery to me
[08:24] <crimsun> nate_: use a traffic analysis tool like tcpdump
[08:25] <nate_> crimsun: ok, what will that do?
[08:25] <crimsun> nate_: then you can verify that the traffic is enciphered
[08:27] <nate_> crimsun: I'm running it, and its sniffing traffic, but I'm not sure what to look for
[08:27] <crimsun> nate_: see if you can pick out the passphrase
[08:29] <nate_> crimsun: i don't think i see a passphrase, so it that considered secure?
[08:30] <crimsun> nate_: you probably want to keep verifying
[08:30] <crimsun> nate_: but yes, like I mentioned, it's enciphered
[08:30] <pokeman2> ubuntu is bad
[08:30] <lifeless> ?
[08:30] <tritium> ?
[08:31] <kkamrani> bad as in good
[08:31] <pokeman2> it slow
[08:31] <nate_> crimsun: know any good resources for understanding the setting up and the inner workings of ssh?
[08:31] <nate_> pokeman2: on a P1, yes its slow
[08:31] <kkamrani> hey i run it on a p2 and it is faster than fedora
[08:31] <foxiness> if i click on recive/send button on evolution to check my mailbox on google mail it will show me this message "Signature:         BAD"
[08:32] <crimsun> nate_: the man pages
[08:32] <crimsun> nate_: there's also a fairly good O'Reilly book on ssh
[08:33] <kkamrani> ls
[08:33] <foxiness> did any one here have problem on first time "Signature:         BAD" with gmail and evolution ?
[08:34] <Nula> anyone here got beagle working from the wiki info on hoary?? I installed it and it seems to have been insntalled correctly but doesn't seem to be indexing at all... searches return nothing
[08:34] <metasquier> calamari: Hey you still around.....Its danielretief (sorry my nick changed)
[08:34] <calamari_> mine did too.. joys of dialup
[08:34] <calamari_> did it work?
[08:34] <metasquier> lol yeah
[08:34] <nate_> crimsun: wow, no books thanks :)
[08:34] <metasquier> no id didnt
[08:35] <calamari_> what happened?
[08:35] <Fish-Face> Every time I shut down and boot up my network card deactivates, and I have to start it manually from the networking applet
[08:35] <Fish-Face> Is there a way to save its state?
[08:35] <Burgundavia> Nula, you need to exercise the dog first
[08:35] <Nula> Burgundavia, ....
[08:36] <Burgundavia> Nula, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/How%20to%20index%20my%20data
[08:36] <Nula> not funny
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I kid you not
[08:36] <tritium> Fish-Face, yes...
[08:36] <Burgundavia> you have to export BEAGLE_EXERCISE_THE_DOG=1
[08:36] <Nula> Burgundavia, wow :) let me check this out
[08:36] <Burgundavia> Nula, this might also break your beagle install
[08:37] <Burgundavia> as some files still bork it
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I would suggest leaving it on overnight
[08:37] <maximaus> Fish-Face: perhaps add it to /etc/modules or save your session? (wild guess from boob)
[08:37] <Burgundavia> as it will hit your system pretty hard while it is indexing
[08:37] <foxiness> am try to install icu with mono to support unicode with beagle but i can not install it what is the problem if i install icu on apt it like it can not c it , than i download last one but can not install it
[08:38] <Nula> Burgundavia, I just did that.. no increased cpu usage or hard disk activity
[08:38] <metasquier> hey does anyone know how to keep the current configuration for a new recompile?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Nula, did you start the daemon after you did that?
[08:39] <Nula> Burgundavia, no .. before
[08:39] <nate_> sweet, completely encrypted as far as i can tell
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Nula, you need to export the variable and then start it
[08:39] <tritium> Fish-Face, "man interfaces" for details on how to use "auto"
[08:39] <Burgundavia> Nula, it checks the variable only on startup
[08:39] <Nula> metasquier, make oldconfig
[08:39] <nate_> Burgundavia: know a good site for understanding the inner workings of ssh and maybe a howto?
[08:40] <Nula> Burgundavia, thank you
[08:40] <alka_trash> metasquier: recompile of what? kernel?
[08:40] <Nula> metasquier, or cp /boot/.config /usr/src/linux/
[08:42] <nnonixx> I cannot seem to get the mozilla-mplayer package from multiverse to read the config file. Anyone point me in the right direction?
[08:42] <jambon> for some reason I can't su in a terminal
[08:42] <Burgundavia> nate_, nope, sorry
[08:42] <Burgundavia> Nula, np
[08:42] <Burgundavia> Nula, expect it to break though
[08:42] <jambon> it gives me an authentication failure, despite the fact that the same password works for synaptic
[08:42] <jambon> why?
[08:42] <Nula> Burgundavia, still not doing anything.. even after I exported the variable and ran the daemon
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Nula, hmm, might already be borked
[08:43] <tritium> jambon, root is disabled by default.  The password you give synaptic is your user's.
[08:43] <alka_trash> nnonixx: add this to your apt sources list deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:43] <Nula> it's says Count: 0 andn waiting on empty queue
[08:43] <Nula> when I check the status
[08:43] <Burgundavia> Nula, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/Troubleshooting%20Beagle
[08:43] <jambon> tritium, so how do I undisable it?
[08:44] <tritium> jambon, it's recommended that you don't, and use sudo instead: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:44] <Nula> Burgundavia, looks like my problem is different.. at least with all the FAQ question something IS going wrong.. in my case it doesn't do anything .. heh
[08:45] <nnonixx> alka_trash: ok, then how would I direct apt to get mozilla-mplayer from that repository rather than multiverse?
[08:45] <alka_trash> nnonixx: did you add the link
[08:45] <alka_trash> ?
[08:45] <tritium> nnonixx, do the version numbers differ?  you can use apt-get install package=<version number>
[08:45] <nnonixx> yep
[08:45] <Burgundavia> Nula, are you running the debug option?
[08:46] <Nula> I ran it in debug mode and it gets to the main loop
[08:46] <nnonixx> alka_trash: yes
[08:46] <alka_trash> nnonixx:  tritium is correct
[08:46] <nnonixx> alka_trash/tritium: thanks guys, makes sense
[08:46] <alka_trash> apt-get update && apt-get install mplayer    should install it
[08:49] <no0tic> what can I do to save battery? Hd configuration, etc.. ?
[08:50] <Zap> hi i made a really stupid mistake, and i erased /usr/X11R6/bin/X ... how can I get it back?
[08:50] <Nula> no0tic, it should automatically detect laptop and turn on laptop scripts when you are disconnected from AC
[08:50] <geneo93> does checkinstall automaticly list depnds
[08:51] <Nula> no0tic, it includes putting HD to sleep after a few seconds of inactivity
[08:52] <Nula> well.. I give up on beagle... this is gonna have to come out of alpha to be worth messing with :)
[08:52] <tritium> Zap, that file should belong to xserver-common.  Try reinstalling that package.
[08:53] <geneo93> tritium:  do you know
[08:53] <Zap> tritium: thx, i'll try
[08:53] <tritium> geneo93, I've never used it.
[08:53] <geneo93> oh
[08:53] <no0tic> Nula: ok, problems, laptop-mode recognizes I'm on batteries but it leaves the freq governor to userspace, not powersave
[08:54] <no0tic> Nula: the hd doesn't go to sleep because ext3 journaling refreshes cache evrey 5 sec
[08:54] <no0tic> Nula: s/evrey/every
[08:54] <Nula> I use reiserfs so it works fine..
[08:54] <Nula> as for the governor style you can change that manually
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Nula, did you enable xattr?
[08:55] <geneo93> well i also need to export qt3libs
[08:55] <no0tic> Nula: yes, I change dit manually
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Nula, can you with reiserfs?
[08:55] <Fahim> can somebody tell me how to use WPA secure wlan in ubuntu??
[08:55] <Burgundavia> Nula, it might be your fs
[08:55] <Nula> Burgundavia, I did for my / partition
[08:55] <no0tic> Nula: there's a way to tweak ext3 fs?
[08:56] <Nula> no0tic, I'm not sure.. I gave up on ext3 because it's so much slower compared to reiser .. specially when deleting files (severall hundred percent slower according to benchmarks)
[08:57] <Nula> Burgundavia, you are probably right.. that's the only thing I suspect now
[08:57] <no0tic> Nula: so you think reiserfs is a good fs for laptops
[08:58] <tritium> no0tic, I don't.  I had serious fs corruption with reiserfs
[08:58] <Nula> no0tic, very much so... I have been using it on a few servers, laptops, and desktops
[08:58] <tritium> I won't touch it
[08:58] <Nula> tritium, I have had serious corruption with ext3
[08:58] <Burgundavia> ext3 is more stable and older
[08:58] <Nula> I think bad experiences can be said about any FS
[08:58] <tritium> true
[08:58] <Burgundavia> there is a reason that it is default for most distros
[08:58] <geneo93> manual isn't clear on depends or would that be spec file
[08:59] <no0tic> tritium: I used it on my desktop for a year with suse, without problems, but when I switched to laptop it gave me problems
[08:59] <tritium> no0tic, ultimately, it's your call ;)
[08:59] <Nula> I have been using it on my laptop with gentoo/debian/ and ubuntu
[08:59] <Nula> never had any problems
[08:59] <no0tic> tritium: problems about refreshing & hd sleep
[09:00] <tritium> no0tic, suspend-to-disk?
[09:00] <no0tic> tritium: can I change refresh rate on ext3 journaling without formatting the partition?
[09:00] <ventz> has anyone had any luck w/ the ubuntu live cd for the powerpc?
[09:00] <whiteknight> ventz, i run ubuntu on a ppc
[09:00] <Fish-Face> tritium, thanks, but /etc/network/interfaces already has "auto wlan0"
[09:00] <tritium> ventz, yes
[09:00] <no0tic> tritium: no, hd goes to sleep after X seconds of inactivity
[09:00] <tritium> no0tic, hmm...don't know about that
[09:01] <Fish-Face> tritium, the only thing is that it is at the end... I've moved it to before "iface wlan0...." but will that actually do anything?
[09:01] <no0tic> tritium: but reiser & ext3 use the disk ecery 5 sec
[09:01] <j2dope> gday. im trying with no luck to get ubuntu to play my dvds! ive instaalled a heap of codecs thru apt-get
[09:01] <ventz> tritium, whiteknight i downloaded 5iso's and seems like they are not correct
[09:01] <ventz> i downloaded one of the i386's and burned it fine
[09:01] <no0tic> tritium: s/ecery/every
[09:01] <tritium> ventz, did you double-check the md5sum?
[09:01] <j2dope> it keeps saying "Error Reading NAV Packet"... but my dvds worked fine on mandrake before moving to ubuntu
[09:01] <Burgundavia> j2dope, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <ventz> everytime i try to burn ANY of the powerbook ones, it just crashes my"Disk Utility"
[09:01] <j2dope> Burgundavia: reading now
[09:01] <tritium> no0tic, not sure what to tell you...
[09:02] <whiteknight> ventz, is this hoary? have you checked the mdsums
[09:02] <no0tic> tritium: thanks anyway ;)
[09:02] <tritium> Fish-Face, it might
[09:02] <tritium> no0tic, yeah, sorry!
[09:02] <ventz> whiteknight: no i haven't. This is the link by the way (http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-powerpc.iso)
[09:03] <tritium> ventz, yeah, the link is good.  I've used it.
[09:03] <whiteknight> ventz, try a different mirror and see if the same issues occur
[09:03] <ventz> whiteknight: i tried 5 different mirrors
[09:03] <ventz> all of them crash my disk utility. The i386 one is fine, burned correctly, works correctly
[09:04] <whiteknight> ventz, i'm not sure, tritium?
[09:04] <tritium> ventz, which disk utility?
[09:04] <tritium> Is that some Mac OS tool?
[09:04] <whiteknight> ventz, you should check the md5sums or perhaps using a different iso burning software
[09:04] <tritium> yes ^^^
[09:04] <Fish-Face> OK, another question... When my machine comes back from hibernation, the keyboard + mouse freeze
[09:05] <Fish-Face> Any ideas for a reason/fix?
[09:05] <ventz> whiteknight, tritium: what's weird is that the i386 one works. By the way, Disk Utility is the program that mounts iso's and burns them
[09:05] <Fish-Face> I couldn't find anything on Ubuntu's wiki
[09:05] <tritium> ventz, in OS X, I presume?
[09:05] <j2dope> the restricted formats FAQ for dvds says i need libdvdcss2 .. from MARILLAT  where can i get that respository
[09:05] <Razor-X> www.tahorg.net/grub-dvorakhey
[09:06] <Nula> Fish-Face, lucky that you can even get it to come back to life :) .. I can't suspend/hibernate thanks to ATI fglrx
[09:06] <tritium> j2dope, the URL tells you
[09:06] <ventz> tritium: yes
[09:06] <Razor-X> damn, sorry
[09:06] <Fish-Face> Nula, well, I haven't compiled fglrx, yet :)
[09:06] <Nula> and if I give up fglrx, I have given up decent 3d acceleratioin in linux ..
[09:06] <geneo93> well i'm off
[09:06] <Nula> if you are planning to use fglrx, don't waste time on suspend/hib .. they don't work with fglrx
[09:07] <Razor-X> how long would Kubuntu take to install on a 256 MB 1.6 ghz machine?
[09:07] <tritium> good night, folks
[09:07] <Nula> this is a mobility (laptop) radeon 9600 128mb btw  .. so I don't exactly have the option of buying an nvidia card
[09:07] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:07] <St0n3-C0l> Razor-X: Hardly 1 hour
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> I think
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> in installation :P
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> what bout setting up things ?
[09:08] <Razor-X> how about repartitioning a 40 GB NTFS partition?
[09:08] <holycow> whats there to setup?
[09:08] <Razor-X> yeah, everything
[09:08] <holycow> click and go
[09:08] <Razor-X> not just copying, I mean, setting up packages and stuff
[09:08] <Fish-Face> Dammit... only beta drivers are 64 bit :S
[09:08] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:08] <holycow> theres nothing to setup
[09:08] <holycow> install and go
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> holycow: after u reboot
[09:08] <holycow> esier than windows
[09:08] <j2dope> tritium: forgive my n00bness. but i cann't see where they link u in that dvd section..
[09:08] <holycow> what reboot?
[09:08] <St0n3-C0l> it unpacks and sets up packages
[09:09] <Razor-X> I read the install guide, and i've realized that
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> automatically
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> no need to do anything
[09:09] <Razor-X> but, yeah, the unpack and install is what I meant
[09:09] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:09] <Fish-Face> Oh wait... here they are
[09:09] <holycow> everything
[09:09] <St0n3-C0l> Razor-X: Go and Install ;) it'll take less time
[09:09] <holycow> 20 minutes, full desktop up and running
[09:09] <holycow> its directly from ced
[09:09] <Razor-X> 1.2 GB in 20 minutes?
[09:09] <holycow> cd
[09:09] <holycow> yep
[09:09] <alka_trash> damn!, new NIN album Free Streaming  http://www.myspace.com/ninofficial
[09:09] <Razor-X> St0n3-C0l: can't do it today, and, I need some time when my dad is at work
[09:09] <aziz> hello .... is there an Ubuntu package for egroupware ?
[09:09] <Razor-X> which is a roughly 3 hour period on Friday
[09:10] <holycow> its from cd tho remember, make a few selections and go, its not like using d-i to do installs over the net
[09:10] <St0n3-C0l> Razor-X: aham
[09:10] <Razor-X> and, then, I'm gonna make a GRUB boot floppy, and fdisk /mbr
[09:10] <Nula> aziz, yes it's in one of the repositories
[09:10] <Nula> aziz, I think it's universe repository
[09:10] <tritium> j2dope, section 2.2 is about the Marillat repo
[09:10] <Razor-X> so that, the only way to even know Ubuntu exists on the machine is to use the GRUB boot floppy
[09:10] <j2dope> thanks tritium
[09:10] <tritium> np
[09:11] <Razor-X> and, so, the total thing would be, repartitoning, install, and boot loader configuration
[09:11] <holycow> everything
[09:11] <aziz> Nula: can you help me adding this repository, please ? cuz I only got the defaults ..
[09:11] <holycow> its all automated
[09:11] <Razor-X> that's why I need a good time estimate
[09:11] <holycow> you do nothing
[09:11] <holycow> it uses the d-i installer
[09:11] <Razor-X> holycow: difficulty is not an issue
[09:11] <holycow> it does all the autodetection for  you
[09:11] <Razor-X> it's time
[09:11] <holycow> you just answer some stupid preferences questions
[09:11] <alka_trash> has any noticed how good gnomebaker is at burning CDs?
[09:11] <holycow> 20 minutes
[09:11] <Nula> aziz, click system->administration->synaptic package manager
[09:11] <Razor-X> ok, that's install time....
[09:12] <Razor-X> how much time you think a 40 GB NTFS Resize op will take?
[09:12] <Nula> aziz, then in the menu select settings->repositories
[09:12] <Fish-Face> OK, silly question... Is it possible to use dpkg to install an RPM?
[09:12] <holycow> it will only take longer if you have some bizarro hardware that doesn't work, say an unsupported chipset, soundcard, etc.
[09:12] <holycow> very rare
[09:12] <Fish-Face> Or how else do you guys install fglrx?
[09:12] <jambon> has anyone had problems with playing incomplete files in limewire?
[09:12] <Razor-X> well, most Linux distros/Live CDs seem to like this box
[09:12] <Razor-X> so, that's not really a problem
[09:12] <holycow> okay i'm measuring my / without my /home
[09:12] <Nula> aziz, then click add, and add universe and multiverse repositories for Hoary 5.04 (click the check boxes)
[09:13] <merriam> Filbert-: see alien
[09:13] <merriam> er, Fish-Face: see alien
[09:13] <Razor-X> and, last question, with 256 MB RAM, how much swap should I allocate, when the total Ubuntu partiton (+ swap) would be 5 GB?
[09:13] <Nula> aziz, once that's done you can search for egroupware and it should be listed in the packages
[09:13] <Razor-X> well, ok, not last question ;-P
[09:13] <jambon> limewire anyone
[09:13] <Fish-Face> merriam, is that a package or a person? :D
[09:13] <aziz> nula . thanks for the help :)
[09:14] <freewoody> Can somebody tell me how to disable logs in /etc/syslog.conf
[09:14] <merriam> easy to find out
[09:14] <freewoody> off the console
[09:14] <Nula> aziz, welcome
[09:15] <holycow> my / is 2.3 gigs without /home or /media that has another hd mounted
[09:15] <aziz> the universe repository is specially made for Ubuntu ? or is it like debian packages ?
[09:15] <jambon> how do you change media players in limewire?
[09:16] <holycow> have you ever setup dual boot tho?  if not, i would not recommend practicing on a 'live' hd :)
[09:16] <Fish-Face> merriam, gottit, thanks
[09:16] <Razor-X> holycow: well, it's now or never ;-P
[09:16] <holycow> can your system boot via usb?
[09:16] <Razor-X> I've done dual-boot on my other machine though
[09:16] <Razor-X> nopes
[09:16] <Razor-X> and, most likely, Ubuntu will never access teh internet
[09:16] <holycow> get a second hd then :) much much much safer
[09:16] <Razor-X> *the
[09:16] <Razor-X> I can't
[09:16] <sacredbovine> anyone?
[09:17] <holycow> oki :) well goodluck
[09:17] <holycow> hehe
[09:17] <Razor-X> heh, yeah, I know
[09:17] <holycow> just makin sure someone says it :)
[09:17] <Razor-X> a lot of ways to fuck up, too many for me to want to explicitly count out
[09:17] <holycow> ya
[09:17] <no0tic> laptop-mode tweaks itself the config of hd? it looks like it has to do this, but I don't think it does
[09:17] <holycow> at least burn off some of your files if you can
[09:17] <Razor-X> I have a nice routine set up though, since, time will be of teh essence
[09:18] <merriam> Razor-X: Why do you want an Ubuntu installation that doesn't access the internet?
[09:18] <Nula> aziz, it's for ubuntu .. then again some ubuntu packages come from debian and work on both distros
[09:19] <holycow> well to be fair ...
[09:19] <holycow> ALL PACKAGES CAME FROM DEBIAN
[09:19] <holycow> -_-
[09:19] <Razor-X> 1. Boot Knoppix, run QTParted, and resize NTFS to 34 GB 2. Start Ubuntu setup 3. Make sure to partition correctly 4. Wait as packages install 5. Make a GRUB boot floppy 6. Test boot floppy 7. fdisk /MBR 8. Pray that Windows boots ;-P
[09:19] <j2dope> thanks ya'll got my dvds working now
[09:19] <Kisain> how can i play windows media audio?
[09:19] <Razor-X> merriam: not my wish, my parents cut the router in hoping i'ld have less freedom
[09:19] <Razor-X> and, it's a PPPoE connection so....
[09:20] <holycow> Razor-X, that is going to take way more than an hour
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Nula, there is very little that is in Ubuntu and not in Debian
[09:20] <holycow> reparitioning alone will take quite a while
[09:20] <sacredbovine> what about partition magic?
[09:20] <sacredbovine> i know someone who used that successfully
[09:20] <graabein> hi
[09:20] <Razor-X> holycow: I have 3
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Nula, most of the Ubuntu is taken from Debian sources and rebuilt in a ubuntu env
[09:20] <holycow> cutting it close but should be enough
[09:20] <holycow> why the sneaky?
[09:20] <Razor-X> unless, I can somehow invite a friend, then my parents would look at the machine much till he leaves
[09:20] <Burgundavia> Kisain, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <Razor-X> holycow: dad hates linux irrationally
[09:20] <St0n3-C0l> Gnome 2.10 is now packaged for debian ?
[09:20] <holycow> what?
[09:21] <holycow> has he ever used it or what?
[09:21] <Razor-X> he's a Mechanical Engineer, so some of the guys he works with uses the stuff, but, ignorance breeds fear so....
[09:21] <Dethread> note: don't spend all night configuring your kernel when you have an english paper due the next day
[09:21] <holycow> heh good for you mate :)
[09:21] <Razor-X> he doesen't like me using pointers while programming ;-P, may fuck up the mahcine
[09:21] <holycow> i wish i could promise to be around and help you actually :)
[09:21] <Myrtti> I took a screenshot
[09:21] <dr_willis> Those Pointers are too pointy!
[09:21] <Myrtti> dammit I love linux
[09:21] <Myrtti> http://velhottaret.net/~myrtti/05-05-05.png
[09:21] <Nula> Burgundavia, I would hope so! after years of sticking to build everything from scratch and praising *box window managers I came to ubuntu for the just works TM attitude... but I didn't want to lose all the app goodness.. and it has everything I want more or less
[09:22] <Razor-X> holycow: well, that's the thing, since i'll be double-booting, I doubt I can access the internet
[09:22] <Razor-X> so, no internet access for me
[09:22] <graabein> Myrtti, hehe nice!
[09:22] <holycow> Razor-X, so he is then technically competent? he can program engineering stuff right?
[09:22] <Razor-X> all the docs I need have to be printed beforehand
[09:22] <dr_willis> Old-school enginners - use Fortran and HP41C's
[09:22] <dr_willis> :P
[09:22] <Razor-X> holycow: well, he is technically _competent_, but, not programming
[09:22] <holycow> ive done all of that except dual boot
[09:22] <Razor-X> he works the whole, fluid transfer thing
[09:22] <holycow> so yeah thats the right steps
[09:22] <aziz> How do i know which apache version works well with egroupware ?
[09:22] <orhs> Hey all _)
[09:23] <orhs> :)
[09:23] <merriam> Razor-X: I don't see how dual booting is connected with no net access.
[09:23] <holycow> Razor-X, funny that he mistrusts technology when he is a technologist him self
[09:23] <Nula> aziz, when  you install egroupware, it install apache for you.. it's a dependancy
[09:23] <dr_willis> On my new box i just have 2 hd's and use the bios boot menu/thing to tell it what os to boot. :P that way the wife dosent even see the grub menu.
[09:23] <Razor-X> merriam: Copied and pasted from above: not my wish, my parents cut the router in hoping i'ld have
[09:23] <Razor-X>           less freedom
[09:23] <graabein> any got the time to help me with nvidia vs nv -- and no opengl problems??
[09:23] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, it's odd
[09:23] <holycow> good luck dude :)
[09:24] <Razor-X> heh
[09:24] <Nula> aziz, the choice made by egroupware works just fine.. I have tested it personally
[09:24] <Razor-X> day after tomorrow is the day
[09:24] <merriam> holycow: I think freesoftware is all about not trusting technology.  I don't trust technology, so I try to avoid Windows.
[09:24] <holycow> merriam, ha!
[09:24] <holycow> good point!
[09:24] <orhs> some one is haveing problems with their W-LAN card???
[09:24] <Razor-X> getting all my docs primed, studying them, making sure nothing can g owrong
[09:24] <aziz> Nula: i used apt-get but it only suggested these packages: apache-common apache-ssl apache2-utils .. no main apache package was suggested
[09:24] <Razor-X> my dad fears non-standardization
[09:24] <holycow> Myrtti, that hurts my eyes, but yeah cool eh? :)
[09:24] <Dethread> anyone got any experience in setting up Ubuntu on a tablet pc?
[09:25] <St0n3-C0l> is there any clipboard thing for GNOME ?
[09:25] <orhs> Dethread: i have ubuntu on my
[09:25] <confrey> hi everybody
[09:25] <orhs> mine*
[09:25] <sacredbovine> anyone here good with LimeWire????
[09:25] <holycow> Myrtti, haha, now that i look at that, that would make the perfect kids desktop :)
[09:25] <holycow> no offense
[09:25] <holycow> -_-
[09:25] <Myrtti> holycow: PINK! (yes, I'm having my "I don't want to seem like a nerd, let's be ber-feministic then" phase
[09:25] <Dethread> orhs, what kind is it?
[09:26] <orhs> Confrey: hey :D
[09:26] <holycow> rofl
[09:26] <holycow> :)
[09:26] <Myrtti> holycow: what do you expect from a woman :->
[09:26] <confrey> I installed phpgroupware and egroupware, but I can't start anything
[09:26] <holycow> hahaha
[09:26] <orhs> dethread mine is a HP pavilion
[09:26] <Nula> aziz, huh.. that's odd.. I installed egroupware on a fresh Hoary install and it installed apache ... I would go ahead and install egroupware.. I am positive apache a dependancy
[09:26] <Dethread> orhs, did you get the pen/touchscreen working? I'm struggling with that part
[09:27] <Dethread> orhs, recompiling the kernel right now....but it'll take a while. it's an HP TC1000 (1 GHz)
[09:27] <orhs> Dethread: it works fine here :)
[09:27] <Razor-X> how muhc swap should I allocate?
[09:27] <Dethread> orhs, right out of the box?
[09:27] <confrey> Nula, I didn't understand, does egroupware work on your pc?
[09:27] <Razor-X> and should I partition in QTParted before I enter Ubuntu setup?
[09:27] <aziz> Nula: oh you right ... I just saw it
[09:27] <Razor-X> *much
[09:27] <Nula> aziz, :)
[09:28] <Nula> confrey, on my server yes ..
[09:29] <orhs> dethread what do you mean with right out of the box?
[09:29] <aziz> I got: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[09:29] <aziz>   .. is thst okay ?
[09:29] <Razor-X> I'ma also have to configure GRUB to use Dvorak......
[09:29] <Nula> aziz, yea
[09:29] <confrey> Nula, how can I work with it? I installed it, but I can't see anything in http://localhost; I can see only apache2-default and phpmyadmin
[09:29] <Nula> confrey, http://localhost/egroupware/setup
[09:30] <confrey> Nula, I haven't that link
[09:30] <Nula> go through the setup process.. then login by going to http://localhost/egroupware
[09:30] <aziz> Nula... which sql have you used with it ?
[09:31] <Nula> aziz, mysql
[09:31] <Nula> confrey, did you install apache with egroupware? or before?
[09:31] <confrey> Nula, oh, sorry, resolved, now it's working! waht's the difference
[09:31] <graabein> any got the time to help me with nvidia vs nv -- and no opengl problems??
[09:31] <Nula> if it's working then nevermind :)
[09:31] <confrey> what's the difference between egroupware and phpgroupware?
[09:32] <metasquier> Hey I was wondering if somone could answer me a simple question......How do I boot ubuntu in console mode, so I can install the Nvidia driver
[09:32] <Nula> egroupware is more robust imo
[09:32] <aziz> Nula: how do i check if mysql is installed or not ?
[09:32] <confrey> ok, thanks everybody, bye
[09:32] <Nula> more configurable modular etc
[09:32] <Mr_Smiley> Hello, I'm having trouble enabling dma on my dvd drive, typing sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd produces: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:32] <Mr_Smiley> any ideas?
[09:32] <aziz> i'm installing / updating the suggested  packages by egroupware
[09:33] <graabein> how do i list linux channels in x-chat?
[09:33] <bodaciousb> hey guys... simple yet complicated question.... I reinstall ubuntu quite regularly... i want to make a script to apt-get things for me automatically.  how do i make such a script?
[09:33] <orhs> hello everyone. I got a problem with useing my W-Lan card. i have talked about this before and i have been asked to recompile the linx kernel and install ndiswrapper
[09:34] <metasquier> Nula, do you know how to start ubuntu in console mode? telinit 1 is nogood, I want to install my nvidia drivers, can you help?
[09:34] <graabein> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[09:34] <orhs> how do i recompile the kernel? :s
[09:34] <metasquier> orhs, find a howto, it would explain your question a lot better
[09:34] <graabein> bodaciousb, take a look at that link
[09:34] <Nula> metasquier, what do you mean console mode?
[09:34] <Nula> metasquier, do you need to stop X?
[09:34] <bodaciousb> graabein, thank you, will do
[09:34] <metasquier> Nula, like no XServer
[09:34] <orhs> metasquer, thanks
[09:35] <graabein> metasquier, i'm having problems with nvidia/nv too!
[09:35] <Nula> metasquier, simply hit ctrl + alt f2, then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:35] <metasquier> Nula, Thanks alot!!!
[09:35] <Nula> metasquier, once you are doing installing the driver
[09:35] <Nula> metasquier, /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:35] <metasquier> cool
[09:35] <graabein> guys, how do i search x-chat for linux channels?
[09:35] <metasquier> Nula, Somthing I wouldnt have thought of :P
[09:35] <metasquier> Nula, Thanks alot
[09:35] <Nula> welcome
[09:35] <IIIEars> graabin /list
[09:36] <graabein> wont that give me every channel? i want linux channels
[09:36] <bodaciousb> graabein, wow, thanks thats Exactly what i needed
[09:36] <Amaranth> graabein: Think of a topic.
[09:36] <Amaranth> graabein: A linux topic, I mean.
[09:37] <Nula> aziz, once you are done installing go to http://localhost/egroupware/setup  to setup everything.. it will walk you through step by step.. apt-get install mysql if you don't have int installed.. the egroupware setup wizard will configure the database for you after that
[09:37] <Mr_Smiley> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[09:37] <Mr_Smiley> anyone?
[09:37] <graabein> bodaciousb, :)
[09:37] <Amaranth> Mr_Smiley: Did you use sudo?
[09:37] <Amaranth> graabein: wtf is that?
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> Amaranth: indeed
[09:38] <graabein> Amaranth, what is what?
[09:38] <user1> hi all
[09:38] <graabein> yo!
[09:38] <Amaranth> Mr_Smiley: no idea
[09:38] <Amaranth> graabein: bodaciousb
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> damn
[09:38] <Amaranth> oh, someone's name
[09:38] <graabein> he's a user
[09:38] <user1> I want to tell iptable to forward my amule port to my vpn ip
[09:38] <graabein> hehe too early in the morning?
[09:38] <user1> I dont know what I Need to type for iptable
[09:39] <Amaranth> graabein: anyway, most channels are obvious. linux -> #linux; ubuntu -> #ubuntu; apache -> #apache; and so on
[09:39] <graabein> say i want a norwegian linux channel?
[09:39] <Myrtti> graabein: #linux.no
[09:39] <graabein> cant i wildcard search for linux stuff?
[09:40] <dr_willis> whats in #HotHornyTeens then?
[09:40] <aziz> I agot apache as a "Suggested packages" ... is "sudo apt-get install egroupware" enough to install the suggested packages? or do i need extra switches ?
[09:40] <Myrtti> graabein: prolly in IRCNet, though
[09:40] <dr_willis> answer = 65 yr old males. :P
[09:40] <Amaranth> graabein: IRC doesn't work that way
[09:40] <Myrtti> not in freenode
[09:40] <graabein> allright. i found the .no one. thanks
[09:41] <Nula> aziz, apt-get install egroupware should be enough
[09:42] <Kisain> is there a media player for every codec?
[09:42] <Kisain> thats easy to install for a noob
[09:42] <Nula> Kisain, totem-xine
[09:43] <aziz> i got this message now:   eGroupWare supports any web server that supports PHP 4, but this configuration process only supports some Apache       
[09:43] <aziz>   variants.  Feel free to submit any hint or patch that would help in the setup of other web servers
[09:44] <aziz> If you are not sure, then it is recommended that you configure for Apache-SSL.  This will protect the transmission of  
[09:44] <aziz>   your users' passwords and personal data.
[09:44] <GNAM> what's best way to download a site on HD? wget -qr www.sito.com?
[09:44] <graabein> Nula, is totem-xine better than mplayer? i'm having problems with my box so all that works as of now is totem movie player
[09:44] <aziz>  Which web server do you want to configure eGroupWare for?
[09:44] <graabein> for mp3s and mpgs
[09:44] <Nula> aziz, do apache-ssl if you want more security
[09:45] <Kisain> and totem can play winhacks format?
[09:45] <aziz> I got apache, apache ssl, apache perl, apache 2 .. as choices
[09:45] <aziz> I want egroupware for an intranet site ....... no need for much security
[09:45] <Nula> graabein, totem-xine has a cleaner gtk interface.. mplayer is a very good player too.. the only reason I use totem is the cleaner interface
[09:46] <Kisain> cause i viset sites like http://www.ebaumsworld.com/
[09:46] <Kisain> and mozilla can't play the files for some reason
[09:47] <holycow> kissan, uninstall totem-gstreamer
[09:47] <holycow> install totem-xine
[09:47] <Kisain> ahhh
[09:47] <holycow> then go to ubuntu site and read about installing win32 codecs
[09:47] <Kisain> how do i un install?
[09:47] <holycow> in that order
[09:47] <holycow> :)
[09:47] <holycow> synaptic
[09:47] <holycow> i'm off
[09:47] <Kisain> k thanx man
[09:48] <Nula> metasquier, do ps aux to see the list of running processes
[09:48] <metasquier> Nula, ok
[09:48] <aziz> hummm.. since it is only a test .. i will try apache ssl for now
[09:48] <Nula> metasquier, you can actually kill the proccess by typing the process name not just the id
[09:48] <metasquier> Nula, oh, never knew that
[09:48] <Nula> type ps aux | grep X
[09:49] <Nula> kill X .. and then gdm
[09:49] <freewoody> Hi all
[09:49] <freewoody> I have some trouble with /etc/syslog.conf
[09:49] <metasquier> Nula, ok let me see
[09:49] <freewoody> I can't seem to disable the log messages from my console
[09:50] <REds> gday
[09:50] <REds> is hoary and warty based on sid snapshots from debian
[09:51] <graabein> anyone care to look at my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files?
[09:52] <saik0> good morning/afternoon/evening/whatever time it is everyone
[09:52] <bodaciousb> can anyone tell me what to type in the console to addd "//server/share   /mnt/data   smbfs   credentials=/etc/samba/user,rw,uid=bob   0   0"  strait to fstab? im writing a script to do it for me
[09:52] <graabein> morning here in norway
[09:52] <bodaciousb> the end of fstab i should say
[09:55] <Fahim> can anybody tell me how I can install wpa supplicant for wpa certify
[09:55] <_max> shoo bedak?
[09:55] <graabein> ill try another channel. bye
[09:56] <Nula> good night
[09:56] <Shinjan> hi folks
[09:56] <cusco> could someone tell me what am I doing wrong with unrar?
[09:56] <cusco> http://rafb.net/paste/results/yr1z4Q19.html
[09:57] <Kisain> i jsut realized that ubuntu is whatever you make it
[09:57] <cusco> what do you mean
[09:57] <Kisain> well windows starts off being fully functiional for media.......
[09:58] <Kisain> and canot support every form
[09:58] <Kisain> linux can support every form you jusdt have to add it
[09:58] <Kisain> it's better ^_^
[09:58] <GNAM> use rar cusco
[09:58] <Nula> Kisain: very functional??? I don't recall windows coming with codecs for anything but mpeg2 and Windows Media player codecs
[09:59] <Kisain> thats what i mean
[09:59] <REds> is hoary based on packages from the deb sid (unstable) project or are they sarge (testing)
[09:59] <Kisain> now i have with a few keystrokes the ability to play many diffrent formats
[09:59] <saik0> well ubuntu comes with vorbis/theroa....
[09:59] <bob2> REds: unstable, nominally
[09:59] <bob2> REds: like every ubuntu release
[10:00] <bob2> cusco: you might need the silly unrar-nonfree package if the .rar file was made recently
[10:01] <bodaciousb> can anyone tell me what to type in the console to addd "//server/share   /mnt/data   smbfs   credentials=/etc/samba/user,rw,uid=bob   0   0"  strait to the end of fstab? im writing a script to do it for me
[10:01] <REds> bob2, thought so thanks
[10:02] <bob2> bodaciousb: echo "//server/share   /mnt/data   smbfs   credentials=/etc/samba/user,rw,uid=bob   0   0" >> /etc/fstab
[10:03] <narkceh> I cannot install mplayer because of E: Broken packages. Here is my sources.list: http://www.pastebin.com/279867 Could someone tell whats the wrong with that or give own sources.list?
[10:03] <bob2> bodaciousb: it has to run as root, though
[10:03] <bob2> #flood is better than a paste site
[10:03] <bob2> narkceh: get rid of the marillat line
[10:03] <bodaciousb> bob2, ofcourse so if i add that in there twice... with a slight difference it will add 2 lines to the btom?
[10:03] <cusco> rar worked perfect... thanks!
[10:03] <bob2> bodaciousb: yes
[10:03] <bodaciousb> bob2, beautiful =)
[10:03] <narkceh> bob2, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main <-- that one?
[10:04] <bob2> narkceh: yes
[10:04] <narkceh> bob2, thank you.
[10:04] <narkceh> ill try if it works now
[10:04] <metasquier> Hi, does anyone know how to setup the Nvidia drivers on ubuntu, apparently the nividia installer doesnt have precompiled stuff for it?
[10:05] <bob2> metasquier: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <bob2> metasquier: it is linked from the FAQ, too
[10:06] <narkceh> bob2, i did take that marillat away now apt-get cannot find mplayer?
[10:06] <metasquier> bob2, I tried that........ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx.....but it says that it cant find that package
[10:06] <Kisain> what the?!!!!!! die popups die!!!!
[10:07] <metasquier> Kisain, popups? on linux? your joking right?
[10:07] <bodaciousb> bob2, one more annoying follow up question... i have the line i want printed in a variable.. so it would be echo ${bonnie_server} >> /etc/fstab
[10:07] <Kisain> no
[10:07] <Kisain> i'm not
[10:07] <bodaciousb> bob2, or would i need a couple of ' ' ?
[10:07] <Kisain> went to this site got a popup!
[10:07] <bob2> narkceh: add 'multiverse' to the end of the 3rd line of that file
[10:07] <Kisain> can you beleve it?
[10:07] <metasquier> Kisain, well if your using firefox, shouldnt be a problem eh?
[10:07] <bob2> metasquier: read the guide again
[10:07] <metasquier> bob2, ok will do
[10:07] <Kisain> first popup i ever got with firefox
[10:08] <narkceh> bob2, thank you again.
[10:08] <bob2> Kisain: yes, some scum have found ways around the popup blocker in firefox 1.02
[10:08] <bob2> narkceh: no problem
[10:08] <Kisain> nooooooo
[10:08] <aziz> I want to install mysql. but i get Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:08] <aziz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:08] <aziz> is only available from another source
[10:08] <aziz> E: Package mysql has no installation candidat
[10:08] <bob2> metasquier: if it doesn't work still, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:08] <metasquier> Kisain, thats crazy
[10:08] <bob2> aziz: it's called mysql-server
[10:08] <Kisain> i know it sucks
[10:08] <aziz> thanks
[10:08] <metasquier> Kisain, is this on windows tho? or linux?
[10:09] <Kisain> ubntu
[10:09] <Kisain> or kubuntu
[10:09] <metasquier> Kisain, what is kubuntu?
[10:09] <bob2> bodaciousb: echo $blah >> /etc/fstab
[10:09] <Kisain> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/index2.shtml gohere tell me if you get one
[10:10] <bob2> metasquier: a version of ubuntu starring kde
[10:10] <narkceh> bob2, E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:10] <Kisain> it's ubuntu with KDE
[10:10] <Kisain> you can get it through syn
[10:10] <bob2> narkceh: show me your file again
[10:10] <Kisain> search for KDE
[10:10] <narkceh> bob2, one sec.
[10:10] <metasquier> Kisain, EWWWWWWWWWWW KDE its like a very breakable glass thing that just breaks and doesnt work
[10:10] <metasquier> lol
[10:10] <Kisain> i don't know
[10:10] <lifeless> how do I get gcc-4.0 to be 'cc' when I still have 3.3 installed ?
[10:11] <bob2> narkceh: (not in here, #flood or a paste site)
[10:11] <Kisain> first i thought ubuntu was the best.....and it still is
[10:11] <bodaciousb> bob2,  ok thank you
[10:11] <bob2> lifeless: you have to manually change the symlink, but dpkg will eat it on upgrades
[10:11] <metasquier> Kisain, yeah tru, it is
[10:11] <Kisain> bet the options and desktop of kubuntu is somewhat better i think
[10:11] <lifeless> oh bah alternatives knows about it
[10:11] <Kisain> you get more customizable options
[10:11] <lifeless> my brain was fuxored
[10:11] <narkceh> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/279869 here
[10:11] <metasquier> Kisain, that is true, but gnome is far safer, and easier to use I think
[10:12] <Kisain> and you get the sessions manager which allows you to switch between the 2
[10:12] <Kisain> i really haven't noticed a diffrence.....
[10:12] <metasquier> Kisain, yeah thats also ture
[10:12] <metasquier> true*
[10:12] <bob2> narkceh: get rid of the 's
[10:12] <Kisain> i'm still a noob though so i think it may be a while to notice lol
[10:12] <ignis> Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to configure ubuntu to ignore a laptop's sleep request? At the moment closing the laptop cover causes the screen to be locked but I'd like to be able to continue using my computer on the second screen.. (i.e. just use the laptop as a desktop replacement when it's on my desk)
[10:12] <metasquier> Kisain, I just like gnome :)
[10:12] <Kisain> yes it rocks
[10:12] <Kisain> i just switched to linux after 26 years of learining
[10:13] <Kisain> windows
[10:13] <lifeless> bob2: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cc-4.0 cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 30
[10:13] <narkceh> bob2, sorry?
[10:13] <bob2> ignis: sure
[10:13] <metasquier> Kisain, hehe yeah windows is a real let down
[10:13] <Kisain> now i have to unlearn everything that poisend my mind
[10:13] <Kisain> yea
[10:13] <bob2> narkceh: get rid of the quote marks around multiverse
[10:13] <Kisain> a really expensive letdown
[10:13] <metasquier> Kisain, I think let down is probably an understatement
[10:13] <metasquier> lol
[10:13] <lifeless> oh, bah not quite right
[10:13] <narkceh> bob2, oh ok, now I got it.
[10:14] <metasquier> Kisain, its probably only advantage is its ability to play games at lan parties
[10:14] <Dhanjel> Hi. I need some help setting up my wireless network. I've installed ndiswrapper, but when I use iwlist to scan, no stations are found :/
[10:14] <ignis> bob2: where abouts should I look?
[10:14] <lifeless> bob2: sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/cc cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 30
[10:14] <Kisain> lol
[10:14] <lifeless> bob2: that will install it and survive upgrades
[10:14] <aziz> how do i disable pgsql ? i want to enable mysql instead
[10:14] <lifeless> bob2: though if you uninstall gcc-4.0, you are fucked. ;)
[10:15] <bob2> lifeless: update-alternatives --config cc /usr/bin/gcc-4.0
[10:15] <bob2> hah
[10:15] <bob2> (maybe)
[10:15] <graabein> hi... i just ran the newest nvidia.com driver... glxinfo gives me Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[10:15] <lifeless> bob2: can't choose a non existing path with config
[10:15] <bob2> ignis: /etc/acpi/, change the lid script to do nothing
[10:15] <bob2> lifeless: hm
[10:15] <lifeless> bob2: once you've installed with my line you can config it
[10:15] <bob2> aziz: "disable"?  you mean stop it running?
[10:15] <ignis> bob2: cheers
[10:15] <aziz> yes bob2
[10:16] <bob2> graabein: best to not do that and read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:16] <bob2> aziz: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/*postgresql* ; sudo invoke-rc.d postgresql stop
[10:16] <metasquier> bob2, sorry to desturb, I reread those instructions on installing nvidia, and when I try to apt-get it, I get this error:
[10:16] <metasquier> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:16] <metasquier> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:16] <metasquier> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:16] <metasquier> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:16] <metasquier> is only available from another source
[10:16] <metasquier> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[10:16] <bob2> metasquier: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:17] <graabein> bob2, half of the people that try to help me says better use the official binary driver...
[10:17] <Dhanjel> Please, someone must have configured wireless networks
[10:17] <bob2> graabein: they're lying
[10:17] <graabein> bob2, anyway opengl doesnt work and im sick of getting segmentation faults everywhere
[10:17] <narkceh> bob2, i did take all the 's but apt-get cannot find mplayer?
[10:17] <Kisain> i think using cedega i'm gonna compile a list of games that it can play
[10:17] <bob2> Dhanjel: lots of people have, but it's probably a problem with your driver
[10:17] <bob2> narkceh: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[10:18] <metasquier> bob2, done that
[10:18] <metasquier> bob2, I think I know what I have to do, dam Im stupid
[10:18] <Dhanjel> bob2: the drivers works, ndiswrapper says that the driver and hardware is ok
[10:18] <bob2> graabein: well, there's not much anyone can do if you're using some random non-ubuntu version of it.  if you use the ubuntu packages and it's still broken, then we can help...
[10:18] <bob2> Dhanjel: does the driver support scanning?
[10:18] <Dhanjel> bob2: yeah it should
[10:19] <bob2> narkceh: put multiverse at the end of the deb ... line
[10:19] <Dhanjel> but when I enter the essid manually, it still does not want to connect
[10:19] <bob2> narkceh: which was line 3 (as I said) in your sources.list
[10:19] <graabein> bob2, okay, i want to use the ubuntu one, cause im a noob and all... ill try to uninstall nvidia then
[10:19] <bob2> graabein: ok
[10:19] <narkceh> bob2, deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted multiverse <-- that one?
[10:19] <bob2> narkceh: no
[10:20] <bob2> narkceh: the line above that
[10:20] <narkceh> bob2, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted <-- that then?
[10:20] <Dhanjel> it can't be a router problem, because my laptop works fine
[10:20] <bob2> narkceh: yes
[10:20] <narkceh> bob2, so multiverse there? or is it 'multiverse'?
[10:21] <bob2> narkceh: no quotes, again
[10:21] <graabein> bob2, ive uninstalled it and switched back to nv... now probably x wont start
[10:21] <narkceh> bob2, oh sorry.
[10:21] <graabein> bob2, what do i have to look at?
[10:22] <metasquier> bob2, gutted it still doesnt get the nvidia driver
[10:22] <bob2> graabein: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:22] <bob2> metasquier: show me your sources.list again
[10:22] <graabein> bob2, i was thinking of error messages and log files so they wont get overwritten
[10:22] <metasquier> bob2, alright, the new one?
[10:22] <bob2> metasquier: yes
[10:22] <graabein> bob2, cause last time i tried with nv the screen just flimmered and x didnt start
[10:22] <narkceh> bob2, it worked. thank you very very mutch bob2.
[10:23] <bob2> graabein: just set it up, then if it doesn't work, look at the logs
[10:23] <bob2> narkceh: np
[10:23] <graabein> bob2, xorg.0.log? anything else?
[10:23] <bob2> graabein: ?
[10:23] <graabein> bob2, any log files besides xorg.0.log that i should keep?
[10:24] <bob2> graabein: no
[10:24] <graabein> bob2, allright. thanks. ill try it then
[10:25] <metasquier> bob2, Ive put my new sources.lst in #flood
[10:25] <metasquier> bob2, one problem, I only have warty warthog at the moment
[10:25] <metasquier> bob2, that could be causing some problems?
[10:26] <aziz> I have mysql running .. and i don't have postgresql. But during egroupware setup. it detected that postgresql is loaded while mysql is not !
[10:28] <graabein> bob2, well ill be damned! it looks okay now!!!!
[10:30] <bob2> aziz: no idea, sorry.  try asking on an egroupware mailing list or something.
[10:30] <metasquier> grrr trying to download Hoary Hedgehog on dialup is not cool!!!
[10:30] <bob2> metasquier: your sources.list says you're using hoary...
[10:30] <ndlovu> my openoffice.org seems to be broken, anyone able to help?
[10:30] <metasquier> bob2, thats because I copied another one and pasted it
[10:31] <metasquier> bob2, its not the origional one
[10:31] <bob2> metasquier: er
[10:31] <freex> anyone here used mod-python?
[10:31] <bob2> metasquier: so it's not your actual sources.list
[10:31] <bob2> freex: best to just ask your question
[10:31] <bob2> ndlovu: you need to be way more specific
[10:32] <freex> just installed mod-python in hoary, when i try to import it i get a ImportError:
[10:32] <metasquier> bob2, my sources.list is the first lot
[10:32] <freex> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/mod_python/apache.py", line 28, in ?
[10:32] <freex>     import _apache
[10:32] <metasquier> bob2, Ill paste it again
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Is anyone aware of a reliable way to get rhythmbox to play in xfce4? It requires esd but esd makes everything else choke soundwise in xfce, it seems...
[10:33] <ndlovu> when I start OOo, it comes up with the splash screen, and then an error window pops up saying "The application could not be started. RegisterServices, configureUcb"
[10:33] <freex> am i missing something?
[10:33] <freex> what do you think bob2?
[10:33] <ndlovu> when I click OK, soffice.bin takes up about 90% of resources
[10:33] <bob2> metasquier: dude, in future, when I ask to see your sources.list, I do mean the one you're actually using...
[10:34] <graabein> now xmms freezes. i probably have to change to esound. how do i kill xmms?
[10:34] <bob2> ndlovu: does it affect other users?
[10:34] <bob2> graabein: run "xkill" in a terminal and click on xmms
[10:34] <thoreauputic> graabein, o run killall xmms
[10:34] <ndlovu> bob2: I only have one user setup, so can't say
[10:34] <thoreauputic> *or
[10:34] <metasquier> bob2, sorry man, its just I changed what was in it, hence why I asked if you wanted the new one, Ive reverted back to my origional one now seeing as the new one didnt work
[10:34] <graabein> thanks
[10:35] <bob2> metasquier: on the new one, add a line like this: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[10:35] <bob2> metasquier: then run 'sudo apt-get update', then try following the guide again
[10:35] <metasquier> bob2, thanks
[10:35] <bob2> that will download a couple of megs, so you'll need to wait a bit
[10:36] <metasquier> bob2, ok thankyou, Ill tell you how it goes
[10:36] <thoreauputic> esd appears to be a bit of an issue in hoary.... I'm finding I have to switch output plugins back and forth depending which window manager/ desktop environment I'm using
[10:36] <metasquier> bob2, It still gives me the following (see #flood)
[10:39] <bob2> metasquier: well, I have no idea what the problem is
[10:39] <thoreauputic> For anyone who is interested, configuring dialup with the GUI tools in hoary resulted in a 4MB download taking 1 hr 12min (yes, timed). Reconfiguring with pppconfig resulted in the same dowload taking less than 15 minutes....
[10:39] <bob2> it's in the restricted repository
[10:40] <metasquier> bob2, ok well thanks for your help anyway, could you try seeing if you can see the nvidia package on apt-get, perhaps the server is just not making it available at present time
[10:40] <bob2> yes, I can see it
[10:40] <thoreauputic> bob2, any known issues with the back end for ppp config in hoary, as used in the networking dialog ?
[10:40] <bob2> that's how I know it's in restricted
[10:40] <ndlovu> is there some way to try reinstall OOo with apt or Synaptic? I'd prefer not to lose the configurations though.
[10:40] <abarbaccia> iiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmm wasted
[10:40] <metasquier> bob2, well thanks anyway :)
[10:41] <bob2> ndlovu: that is highly unlikely to help
[10:41] <metasquier> bob2, Oh I think I needed to run apt-get update
[10:41] <bob2> er
[10:41] <metasquier> :)
[10:41] <bob2> yes
[10:41] <bob2> of course
[10:42] <bob2> 18:35:34 @         bob2 | metasquier: then run 'sudo apt-get update', then try following the guide again
[10:42] <metasquier> bob2, my bad :S
[10:42] <thoreauputic> thor|pizza
[10:42] <metasquier> yum pizza
[10:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:43] <freex> just installed mod-python in hoary, when i try to import it i get a ImportError:
[10:43] <gorilla_> metasquier, no no... you mean apt-get pizza (I don't use yum) :-)
[10:43] <freex> anyone here used mod-python?
[10:43] <metasquier> pizza << sauce << cheeze << pepperoni << more chesse;
[10:44] <metasquier> gorilla_, hehehe
[10:44] <bob2> freex: are you using a known-good program?
[10:44] <metasquier> cout << pizza
[10:44] <metasquier> cin >> mouth
[10:44] <ndlovu> bob2: It might be quite difficult to fix then, since a Google search on configureUcb only returned two results, neither connected to my error message
[10:45] <freex> no just trying to get mod-python running
[10:45] <bob2> freex: then use a sample program that you know is ok
[10:45] <bob2> I'd strongly suspect your program is just broken
[10:45] <metasquier> who thinks ubuntu is a strainge yet cool name for a distro?
[10:45] <freex> am using the example from the mod-python-doc
[10:46] <bob2> ok
[10:46] <graabein> bob2, glx is real slow. what doc do i find the config settings options?
[10:46] <bob2> I doubt it's a config problem
[10:46] <bob2> you probably aren't using the proprietary drivers yet
[10:47] <graabein> bob2, how do i check? lsmod?
[10:47] <freex> such as?
[10:47] <metasquier> you know what would be cool? a ubuntu distro for the Xbox, and one day maybe someone could make some decent video drivers for the xbox on linux
[10:47] <metasquier> lol
[10:47] <metasquier> then you could play UT on it
[10:47] <graabein> lsmod | grep "nv"
[10:47] <graabein> nvidia               3923388  0
[10:47] <graabein> agpgart                31784  2 intel_agp,nvidia
[10:48] <bob2> graabein: did you reboot after doing the steps in the howto?
[10:48] <graabein> bob2, yep
[10:48] <graabein> my xorg.conf says driver "nv"
[10:49] <metasquier> graabein, why dont you install the nvidia drivers..... apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:49] <bob2> graabein: well, that would be your problem
[10:49] <bob2> graabein: read the howto again
[10:49] <graabein> metasquier, thought i already had them... ill try
[10:49] <graabein> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[10:49] <graabein> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[10:49] <metasquier> graabein, hmm yeah so did I...but nv is generic, nvidia is the full thing
[10:50] <bob2> graabein: you need to read the howto again
[10:50] <metasquier> oh right
[10:50] <metasquier> odd
[10:50] <metasquier> change your config file
[10:50] <bob2> nv is the Free module, you need to tell it to use nvidia.
[10:50] <metasquier> yup thats right
[10:50] <graabein> driver "nvidia" = ubuntu version?
[10:50] <metasquier> change "nv" to "nvidia" and some other stuff, its all in the howto on the wiki
[10:51] <metasquier> its universal for all distros
[10:51] <graabein> hehe, and i thought i got it all to work!
[10:51] <graabein> here we go again...
[10:51] <gorilla_> graabein, nope... nvidia is the proprietry version of the nv driver.... only the nvidia driver will work with the newer chipsets..
[10:51] <metasquier> you will see a nvidia splash screen if its working
[10:51] <graabein> ive got option nologo
[10:51] <metasquier> right
[10:51] <davegahan> what is the difference exactly between using sendmail and using an smtp server ?
[10:52] <metasquier> davegahan, different protocols
[10:52] <bob2> graabein: seriously, read the howto, it covers all this
[10:52] <graabein> ok guys, appreciate the help. ill try switching to "nvidia"
[10:52] <gorilla_> graabein, otherwise run glxinfo and it should say "Direct rendering: Yes"
[10:52] <bob2> davegahan: sendmail is an example of an smtp server
[10:52] <davegahan> i cant use my smtp server anymore
[10:52] <bob2> davegahan: it's not a particularily modern one, tho, nor very good for people who don't already know how to maintain it
[10:52] <davegahan> it reports "cannot relay, and makes a reference to a fake IP number xxxxx"
[10:53] <davegahan> sendmail works, my smtp doesnt
[10:53] <davegahan> but i can receive mail
[10:53] <metasquier> davegahan, what email provider are you using?
[10:54] <bob2> "sendmail works, my smtp doesnt" doesn't make sense
[10:54] <metasquier> davegahan, what email provider are you using?, is it Gmail?
[10:55] <metasquier> davegahan, or am i off the track here?
[10:55] <davegahan> i connect to a local area network, and no, my companies emailserver
[10:55] <davegahan> pop and smtp
[10:55] <metasquier> metasquier, oh ok I see
[10:55] <bob2> davegahan: so, the problem is that your company's mail server is refusing mail from you?
[10:56] <davegahan> when i set in Evolution Preferences under sending mail "sendmail" i can send mail
[10:56] <davegahan> when specifying my smtp server, it does not work
[10:56] <bob2> well, there you go
[10:57] <davegahan> the problem reported by evolution is not the smtp server but "fake IP number"
[10:57] <bob2> you're being too vague
[10:57] <bob2> what exact string are you telling evolution to use?
[10:59] <davegahan> what do you mean with "string" ?
[10:59] <bob2> what are you entering into the config dialog?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> davegahan, do you have a dynamic IP ?
[11:00] <davegahan> Relaying denied. IP name possibly forged [212.174.53.3] 
[11:00] <thoreauputic> davegahan, if you send mail direct with sendmail, most ISPs wil reject it if it comes from a dynamic IP block
[11:00] <davegahan> this is the error message
[11:01] <davegahan> i will talk with my admin later this afternoon
[11:02] <davegahan> it seems from my network settings that I am using a Dynamic IP
[11:03] <b0ol> hey, how to start another xsession under [ctrl]  + [alt]  + [F8]  ?? thnx
[11:03] <LaMadredelCorder> hi there
[11:04] <thoreauputic> if your mail is sent from a dynamic IP it will be received by those in the same network, but most likely rejected outside that set of addresses (if you use your own server rather than relay)
[11:05] <ignis> Hi, the borders of my tft monitor are getting cut off slightly at the left by X. Any nice way to tune this up? xvidtune doesn't seem to be doing much..
[11:05] <LaMadredelCorder> anybody interested in a new MONO based Bittorrent client, GTK# gui, etc.
[11:06] <b0ol> hey, how to start another xsession under [ctrl]  + [alt]  + [F8]  ?? thnx
[11:06] <b0ol> with fluxbox?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> b0ol, something like  " startx `which fluxbox` -- :1  "  (the backticks and spaces are important)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> b0ol, but why not use the built-in gnome feature for new logins?
[11:08] <sparkling> hi all
[11:09] <sparkling> how can i close X and run into shell to install nvidia driver?
[11:09] <bob2> sparkling: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:09] <bob2> read that
[11:09] <thoreauputic> sparkling,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:09] <thoreauputic> sparkling, but bob2 is right
[11:10] <freewoody> Hi all again
[11:11] <freewoody> amaranth, I am having some problems in my firewall settings
[11:11] <bob2> then disable your firewall entirely
[11:11] <freewoody> Well I can't
[11:11] <Amaranth> holy shit, time to turn on CNN
[11:12] <freewoody> I really don't know why the syslog.conf prints firewall logs directly to my console
[11:12] <jbm__> b00m
[11:12] <b0ol> thoreauputic: what do you mean?
[11:12] <b0ol> :/
[11:12] <b0ol> built-in gnome feature?
[11:12] <freewoody> Well Amaranth you taught me to install hoary using SSH :D
[11:12] <sparkling> thanks bob2
[11:12] <sparkling> tnx thoreauputic
[11:12] <sparkling> :D
[11:13] <thoreauputic> b0ol,  system Tolls , New Login
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Tools I mean
[11:13] <ndlovu> bob2: any ideas where to start finding the bug in my OOo setup?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> b0ol, you can also do a nested new login in an Xnest window
[11:14] <b0ol> xnest? O.o
[11:14] <b0ol> if i click on new login
[11:14] <b0ol> nothing happens :<
[11:14] <bob2> ndlovu: I'd see if it affects another user first
[11:14] <thoreauputic> b0ol, are you in gnome?
[11:14] <b0ol> nope xfce
[11:14] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:14] <ndlovu> bob2: so create another test user
[11:14] <b0ol> :wait
[11:14] <b0ol> brb
[11:14] <bob2> ndlovu: yes
[11:15] <b0ol> re so
[11:15] <Amaranth> freewoody: You mean that crazy hack for Debian with debootstrap?
[11:15] <b0ol> im now logged in @ bash
[11:15] <b0ol> :)
[11:15] <b0ol> thoreauputic:
[11:15] <graabein> bob2, i cant get direct rendering to work
[11:15] <bob2> ok
[11:16] <theD3viL> hm.. is gnome better than kde?
[11:16] <Amaranth> theD3viL: Bad question to ask.
[11:16] <theD3viL> Amaranth, why ?
[11:16] <Amaranth> theD3viL: Seeing how this is the channel for the GNOME flavor of Ubuntu.
[11:17] <Kisain> you all have to check this out! (i'm a person not a bot lol) http://www.ebaumsworld.com/sand-sicaf.html
[11:17] <Kisain> i think you'll really like it
[11:17] <jbm__> I prefer gnome but kde is prolly better, let the flames fly
[11:17] <theD3viL> jbm__, why? is gnome working faster or what ?
[11:18] <b0ol> hm... well i can start a new xserver, but not with fluxbox because i dont know the command!
[11:18] <bob2> there is no "better"
[11:18] <jbm__> nah kde runs faster than gnome, but i prefer gnomes simplicity and layout... you should probably try them both and decide for yourself
[11:18] <bob2> it's all personal choice, use whatever you want
[11:18] <bob2> I'd be amazed if you could show benchmarks of kde being "faster"
[11:19] <theD3viL> i have installed kubuntu, but i thinking to install ubuntu
[11:20] <Amaranth> b0ol: run gdmflexiserver
[11:20] <jbm__> theD3viL I think you can add in the gnome side with like "sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop" and then pick which one you want at login
[11:20] <Amaranth> b0ol: it'll bring up a new gdm that you can login to fluxbox with
[11:21] <Amaranth> you can use ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8 to switch between the two
[11:22] <theturtle> hey
[11:22] <Amaranth> hi
[11:22] <metalsand> How do I make sure my PCMCIA wireless card is working in Ubuntu?
[11:22] <theD3viL> jbm__, and it will be the same ?
[11:23] <bob2> metalsand: try it and see...
[11:23] <bob2> metalsand: wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiHowto
[11:23] <user1> hi all
[11:23] <theturtle> how can i rsync the entire current packages?
[11:23] <theturtle> for my branch/version
[11:23] <jbm__> theD3viL at login you can hit the "sessions" button and pick either KDE or GNOME from the list, so you can go back and forth to test them both out.
[11:24] <bob2> theturtle: use debmirror, but rsync won't help much
[11:24] <graabein> bob2, glxinfo gives me Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:24] <graabein> direct rendering: No
[11:24] <bob2> theturtle: be aware each branch of ubuntu is > 10GB or so
[11:24] <bob2> graabein: ok
[11:24] <metalsand> bob2: Is it possible to use WPA in Ubuntu?
[11:24] <bob2> metalsand: yes
[11:24] <metalsand> do I need any updates or packages?
[11:24] <bob2> you need wpasupplicant
[11:25] <freewoody> Yes Amarnath
[11:25] <bob2> and to read it's man page or whatever
[11:25] <theturtle> bob2 - rsync would work? just would grab too much  :/
[11:25] <bob2> theturtle: use debmirrors.
[11:25] <freewoody> Can you help me with this syslog.conf stuff ?
[11:25] <bob2> er, debmirror.
[11:25] <bob2> freewoody: don't address specific people unless you actually know them
[11:26] <bob2> freewoody:  set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 in /etc/sysctl.conf
[11:27] <b0ol> thanx Amaranth
[11:27] <b0ol> Amaranth:
[11:27] <ignis> -/j azureus
[11:27] <b0ol> but i get an errormsg /:
[11:27] <b0ol> it says 'cannot open display:'
[11:27] <yonil> can i make xmms go to the notifation area instead of the bottom bar ?
[11:27] <theturtle> bob2 is there a windows port? D
[11:28] <theturtle> :D
[11:28] <bob2> theturtle: doubt it
[11:28] <bob2> but it'll run on random other unices
[11:28] <bob2> yonil: not easily
[11:28] <yonil> bob2, how ?
[11:28] <Amaranth> b0ol: hrm, no idea
[11:28] <theturtle> ya i guess i could finaggle that, thanks alot bob2
[11:29] <bob2> yonil: use the xmms notification area plugin and minimise it
[11:29] <Amaranth> bob2: why are you 3 always op'ed?
[11:29] <theturtle> because he is an op
[11:29] <bob2> because there are lots of morons in the world
[11:29] <theturtle> :/
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> someone has to keep the peace
[11:30] <bob2> who are abusive unless they see op'd people in a channel
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> or, keep the pieces afterwards
[11:30] <bob2> which is rather pathetic
[11:30] <yonil> bob2, thanks
[11:30] <bob2> but so are those people
[11:30] <Amaranth> bob2: It's not the freenode way though.
[11:30] <aziz> how do i remove a package with all its configurations ?
[11:30] <bob2> Amaranth: indeed
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> aziz: dpkg --purge packagename
[11:30] <Amaranth> aziz: sudo apt-get remove --purge package-name
[11:30] <bob2> aziz: purge it using whatever tool you normally manage packages with
[11:31] <veritas> bob2: Are you still around?
[11:31] <veritas> ... My userlist isn't displayed in x-chat for some reason
[11:31] <bob2> I don't use xchat
[11:32] <veritas> What do you use?'
[11:32] <bob2> irssi-text.
[11:32] <veritas> Perhaps I'll look into it
[11:32] <veritas> bob2: I got this when reloading synaptic
[11:32] <veritas> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:32] <veritas> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:32] <veritas> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[11:32] <bob2> please don't paste stuff in here
[11:32] <bob2> also, please read his website
[11:33] <theturtle> you'll need to import his GPG key
[11:33] <bob2> veritas: http://debian.video.free.fr/
[11:33] <bob2> veritas: but, you pretty much shouldn't be using his repository at all
[11:35] <veritas> bob2: why shouldn't I? Because those packages are not secure?
[11:35] <bob2> veritas: because there's little reason to
[11:35] <b0ol> nerim is necessary whether he wants to download w32codecs
[11:35] <bob2> well
[11:35] <b0ol> but if you dont need it
[11:35] <b0ol> DEACTIVATE IT!
[11:35] <bob2> you can get that from other places
[11:35] <b0ol> it makes a lot of trouble ;)
[11:35] <bob2> but you only need to install it once
[11:35] <b0ol> yes
[11:36] <veritas> Where do I deactivate it? - and what alternative should I use to nerim?
[11:36] <bob2> in /etc/apt/sources.list, and nothing
[11:37] <bob2> well, multiverse
[11:37] <yonil> bob2: is there a way to make xmms not appearing in the bottom tray ? (the plugin works btw :D)
[11:37] <veritas> I'm still in my first week of Linux
[11:37] <veritas> So you're going to have to bare with me bob -.-
[11:38] <topaspv> hello everybody
[11:38] <bob2> yonil: not easily...devilspie might be able to, but I'm not sure how to use it
[11:39] <veritas> bob2: should I simply delete the nerim links?
[11:39] <bob2> or comment them out
[11:39] <veritas> Is there a chance that I need them for a package I might hav einstalled?
[11:40] <veritas> I remember adding them when I was fixing my screen resolution
[11:40] <yonil> bob2, devil's pie sounds like an interesting app, ill check it
[11:40] <veritas> Apparently there was a bug with Dell widescreen laptops
[11:41] <njan> veritas, what bug?
[11:42] <veritas> I couldn't display in widescreen
[11:42] <veritas> Someone guided me through an install that would fix it...
[11:42] <Disc00rd> Any idea how long it takes for CD's to be shipped out normaly?
[11:43] <bob2> Disc00rd: when did you order?
[11:43] <Disc00rd> About a week ago, not expecting them for a while though :P
[11:44] <bob2> a while then
[11:45] <bob2> if you'd ordered before hoary, then you'd be getting them now
[11:45] <Disc00rd> So a month or 2?
[11:45] <bob2> less, I'd hope
[11:45] <bob2> if it's not there in a month, mail mako
[11:46] <jbm__> who pays for all that mailing... i think you guys are crazy
[11:46] <Disc00rd> Wouldn't happen to have his email on you? Just so i can write it down just incase
[11:46] <Mr_Milenko> ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 5:46 AM ) Day: ( Thursday ) Date: ( May 5, 2005 )
[11:46] <Mr_Milenko> its EARLY
[11:46] <Mr_Milenko> >_<
[11:47] <ndlovu> bob2: I tried logging in as another user, OOo still doesn't work. It doesn't even load the splash screen then, but it does show on the task bar for a short time.
[11:50] <azad> how to limit my traffic?
[11:53] <ignis> When using nvidia twinview with my laptop, if I use a metamode where the laptop screen is unused and i'm just using the desktop monitor, gnome seems to get confused about the location of the panels and maximizes windows over them.. any ideas how to fix this?
[11:54] <jbm__> Anyone know a defrag program for ext3, additionally does ext3 even need defrag ever???
[11:54] <azad> one solution comes to my mind.. but i'm not sure whether you like it ignis. "sudo apt-get install kde"
[11:55] <ignis> azad: lol
[11:56] <Amaranth> azad: that'd be sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:56] <ignis> azad: well, i haven't looked at kde in a few releases actually..
[11:56] <azad> Amaranth: okay
[11:57] <ignis> does ubuntu keep the menus nice and separate if you have both desktops installed?
[11:58] <jbm__> ignis no, you will have all them K's all over your gnome menus
[11:58] <azad> Ks \o/
[11:58] <ignis> oh god
[11:58] <ignis> so i'll get around 10000 new menu entries
[11:59] <theturtle> anyway i could get someone to give me depends of penggy for ubuntu?
[11:59] <theturtle> 5.04?
[11:59] <ignis> half of which will do the same thing as each other
[11:59] <metalsand> When I shut down, should I always make sure to "Save settings"?
[12:00] <linuxboy> whats that new ubuntu name? the one thats unstable all the time
[12:01] <azad> breezy
[12:01] <linuxboy> azad: no, the unstable one
[12:01] <azad> hm?
[12:01] <linuxboy> grumpy groundhog?
[12:01] <azad> oh.. no idea, thought that was breezy
[12:01] <linuxboy> azad: its the same as sid on debian
[12:02] <jbm__> so breezy is "testing" then?
[12:02] <linuxboy> jbm__: yeah
[12:02] <azad> http://slashdot.org/palm/8/05/05/01/1741229_1.shtml <- does that help you?
[12:02] <linuxboy> azad: yesh
[12:03] <linuxboy> azad: yeah
[12:03] <azad> fine :)
[12:03] <ignis> lol these ubuntu mirrors are DAMN fast, kubuntu-desktop is installed already!
[12:03] <ignis> now to give it a try
[12:03] <ndlovu> when I try reload package information in Synaptic, it fails all the time, but sudo apt-get update seems to work fine. Any ideas?
[12:04] <ignis> didn't add too much to my gnome menus ;)
[12:04] <jbm__> oooh they make grumpy groundhog sound so cool and cutting edge! prolly crashes alot
[12:09] <ignis> well kde works in that mode..
[12:09] <ignis> but it fails the 2 monitors mode spectaculary
[12:10] <azad> hmm
[12:10] <ignis> and has that general kde cluttered look
[12:10] <ignis> ;)
[12:10] <azad> :)
[12:11] <ignis> kunbuntu's default theme is clearlooks?
[12:11] <ignis> i thought that was gnome only..
[12:12] <jbm__> kde did dual monitors for me fine, it was nice cuz you can set different backgrounds even for each screen
[12:13] <ignis> jbm__: was that with xinerama or nvidia's twinview?
[12:14] <jbm__> ignis, I have ATI so it was some fglrxconfig nonsense.
[12:15] <azad> *sighs* there will be some time i'll get my radeon running, too
[12:15] <azad> maybe, at least
[12:15] <ignis> jbm__: strangeness.. when i started it up it was very badly broken but upon switching back to the dual mode with randr is works fine..
[12:17] <jbm__> ignis, cool so i guess your maximization problems were gnome based?
[12:18] <ignis> jbm__: yes, seems to be the case
[12:18] <theD3viL> jbm__, do you have in gnome control center ?
[12:19] <ignis> jbm__: though, X is still taking up a little bit too much space at the top and left of the screen. any idea how to adjust this? xvidtune seems to have no effect on a flatscreen..
[12:21] <xukun> can I install opera on ubuntu?
[12:21] <jbm__> ignis, my lcd has an auto image adjust that fixes problems like that from its end...?
[12:21] <jbm__> theD3viL what??
[12:22] <theD3viL> jbm__, in kde i have control centre, for adjusting display etc. do you have some like that in gnome ?
[12:22] <bob2> xukun: probably
[12:22] <bob2> xukun: why don't you just try?
[12:23] <metalsand> bob2: how would I enable a .pid file to be written on?
[12:23] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[12:23] <xukun> bob2: becouse its not like I can do apt-get install opera
[12:23] <ignis> jdm__: LOL, forgive me - all this hardware is new! I never thought to resort to the buttons on the monitor itself as oppossed to software :)
[12:24] <ignis> working nicely now
[12:24] <jmob> xukun: so download the .deb for opera and install it
[12:24] <metalsand> When I try to run kismet I get the error "Sud priv dropping disabled. This may not be sures."
[12:24] <bob2> xukun: go get the .deb from operas website.
[12:24] <metalsand> "FATAL: Unable to set up pidfile /var/run/kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission denied
[12:25] <bob2> you're not running it as root
[12:26] <jbm__> theD3viL there is a screen resolution widget in gnome-control-center, but mostly i just edit my /etc/X11/xorg.conf myself
[12:27] <jbm__> ignis, sweet!
[12:30] <ignis> jbm__: did you say you managed to get different wallpapers for each monitor under kde? (rather than different wallpapers for each workspace)
[12:31] <jbm__> ignis yes but it is prolly different than twinview... I have it set up so there is 2 drivers 1 for each screen, so both monitors have applications panels and stuff
[12:33] <Raskall> I have set up my wifi gateway with ZoneCD now. Quite happy. Now I can give everyone that wants wifi access via my ap internet access, but feel safe myself. I've customized the login page too: http://tinyurl.com/dqowh
[12:33] <Raskall> I have been working on it all night.
[12:33] <Raskall> I miss one thing, though. ZoneCD incorporated in Ubuntu.
[12:34] <ignis> jbm__: yup, i'm just looking at the nvidia readme now and i may be able to do something similar - two seperate screens rather than twinview.. has the disadvantage of not being able to drag windows between screens though
[12:36] <metalsand> FATAL: Unable to open cisco control fike '/pro/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[12:36] <metalsand> How can I have the program I'm trying to run start from eth2
[12:37] <jbm__> ignis: true that I cannot drag accross monitors, also when loading some programs like firefox 1 on each screen it chokes about profile mismatching and stuff. need to create a second profile for the second screen etc. but it feels nicer to me than twinview
[12:38] <Drako60> ok i know there was a readme somewhere for getting sound to work with nvidia binary drivers anyone point me there?
[12:38] <xun> I installed the NVidia driver from www.nvidia.com. Immediate after installation i can start X. But after rebooting it isnt working anymore. I already removed all apt-provided nvidia-packages. But something is still messed up during bootup. Any suggestions?
[12:39] <bob2> metalsand: that's not what it says
[12:39] <nevyn> ok i"m having wierd problems with a ubuntu system acting as a gateway i can telnet out to a remote webserver from an internal host and do a GET  and have it work but web browsers all hang and there"s nothing useful in the kernel log> any ideas?
[12:39] <bob2> metalsand: also, if you're getting an error *like* that, you need to configure kisme to use the card type you have
[12:40] <bwb> nevyn: are you telneting using the hostname or ip addr?
[12:40] <bwb> (i.e. maybe dns is fscked?)
[12:40] <metalsand> K. I'm downloading the kismet files right now
[12:40] <bwb> (can you ping yahoo.com?)
[12:40] <metalsand> I'm going to go through the readme and hope it has info on how to do that
[12:40] <Drako60> i have sound coming from my speakers but mplayer is not giving me any sound
[12:41] <jbm__> xun are you sure nvidia module is being loaded properly at startup? you should have "nvidia" in your /etc/modules file
[12:41] <fragspaz> how do i get my printer working on a network
[12:41] <fragspaz> ??
[12:42] <nevyn> bwb: checked that.
[12:42] <bwb> nevyn: and it works, you can get packets back?
[12:42] <bwb> nevyn: also is the gateway doing any NATing or just acting as a router?
[12:43] <nevyn> I can get the page back from telnet
[12:43] <xun> I have nvidia listed in my modules.conf. Also lsmod shows nvidia loaded. That looks ok. On the other side my Xorg.log shows the line "NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!". Confusing, isnt it?
[12:43] <fragspaz> anyone gonna answer me?
[12:43] <ignis> jbm__: yeah, i'm going to give it a try and which i prefer. i'm sure it would solve my gnome problems as well.. heh heh though kde 3.4 is looking better than last time i tried it
[12:43] <fragspaz> how do i get my printer working on a network
[12:43] <nevyn> bwb the box is NATing using hoary with the ipmasq package from universe
[12:44] <fragspaz> ??
[12:44] <NeWiTa> fragspaz: patience
[12:44] <bwb> fragspaz: hello
[12:44] <bwb> nevyn: hrm
[12:44] <fragspaz> i dont have patience i need it _now_
[12:45] <fragspaz> i have a HP 5652 DeskJet printer and i need it working on a windows network
[12:45] <bwb> nevyn: timeouts you said... can it determine the hostname? is it "waiting for a reply"? etc?
[12:45] <ignis> jbm__: now what i'd *really* like is to be able to specify different font sizes for each screen :) is that possible?
[12:45] <nevyn> bwb hostname lookups work for ping.
[12:45] <jbm__> ignis haha im glad you like 3.4, i wasnt impressed and went immediatly back to gnome then got all mad at all them K's all over the place and had to rebuild my system to get rid of them lol
[12:45] <bwb> nevyn: right right,  i'm trying to think of how the browser could be failing tho
[12:46] <nevyn> bwb that's what's gotten me stumped too.
[12:46] <bwb> yea
[12:46] <nevyn> and it's multiple windows xp hosts
[12:46] <bwb> can you go to an ip addr in the web browser?
[12:46] <jbm__> ignis, maybe im not sure, i have both my screens running at different resolutions already, let me see
[12:46] <NeWiTa> fragspaz: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27111.html
[12:47] <nevyn> bwb no.
[12:48] <nevyn> but telnet ip 80 works
[12:48] <ignis> jbm__: yeah different resoultions should be fine.. the point is that one of my resoutions is 1280x1024 and the other is 1900x1200 so fonts look VERY different!
[12:48] <yonil> How can i print a pdf smaller ? (it chops the end of the page on the print)
[12:49] <ignis> jbm__: doesn't removing kubuntu-desktop get rid of all the associated crap? i'm sure theres something (perhaps kdelibs4) that will certainly take the rest of kde with it if you remove it
[12:50] <odyssey> kde-base?
[12:50] <fragspaz> how does linux go about windows->linux
[12:50] <fragspaz> do i still need samba?>
[12:50] <odyssey> sorry kdebase
[12:50] <jbm__> ignis It doesnt look like you can set font for each screen in gnome, but like i said i could set different backgrounds in kde so maybe you can do fonts there too screen based youll have to try it
[12:50] <nevyn> fragspaz: samba is a networking suite to talk to windows machines..
[12:51] <nevyn> fragspaz: what do you mean by windows->linux ?
[12:51] <Mr_Milenko> whats the current kernel?
[12:51] <odyssey> Mr_Milenko, in a terminal enter: uname -a
[12:51] <Mr_Milenko> SMB = Bestest
[12:51] <fragspaz> nevyn, nvm
[12:52] <Mr_Milenko> no no whats the current kernel for dl
[12:53] <odyssey> Mr_Milenko, 2.6.10-5
[12:53] <nevyn> Mr_Milenko: finger @kernel.org yourself.
[12:53] <Mr_Milenko> okie dokie then im up2date
[12:53] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[12:53] <ignis> jbm__: ok, cool, i'm going restart x and give this a whirl. thanks for your help
[12:53] <jbm__> ignis, good luck!
[12:54] <fragspaz> how do i run samba
[12:55] <odyssey> fragspaz, a samba server?
[12:55] <nevyn> or a samba client?
[12:55] <fragspaz> yes.... well no....
[12:55] <odyssey> or just browse windows shares?
[12:55] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[12:56] <fragspaz> i want to be able to get my printer working on linux, to be accesable to my other two computers
[12:56] <bwb> fragspaz: for printer sharing from a linux machine to a windows machine right?
[12:56] <fragspaz> and i dont know how to open samba, what todo?
[12:56] <fragspaz> yes bwb
[12:57] <nevyn> bwb any more thoughts. this is driving me insane.
[12:57] <bwb> nevyn: nah i'm sorry man... can't think of anything
[12:57] <bwb> (tho i don't usually populate #ubuntu soooo)
[12:58] <drummer87> hey.. does anyone know a way to stop the acx_pci module loading into the kernel at boot?
[12:58] <nevyn> the browser complains that the document contains no data
[12:58] <bwb> nevyn: hrm that odder in my opinion
[12:58] <fragspaz> so what do i do?
[12:59] <bwb> unless maybe it was setup for a proxy before?  but.... i think another error would occur
[12:59] <nevyn> bwb I'd expect unable to contact proxy server.
[12:59] <bwb> (btw just a student at HMC procrastinating on a paper 8))
[12:59] <bwb> yeah uhm
[12:59] <bwb> have you only tried one browser?
[12:59] <bwb> or any others?
[01:00] <metalsand> are PCMCIA cards detected as eth<number>
[01:01] <metalsand> in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto he uses wlan0
[01:01] <metalsand> ad I'm confused now :(
[01:01] <Drako60> how do i get nvidia sound working?
[01:07] <Drako60> this is funny totem plays audio from dvd but no video
[01:08] <IIIEars> is there a linux equivalent to DVD Shrink?
[01:08] <nevyn> IIIEars: no :( but it works under wine
[01:08] <t_scytale> metalsand, depends on the card. mostly yes, but some wireless models have a different name.
[01:09] <metalsand> Ah, so it's not weird mine says eth2?
[01:09] <t_scytale> you can find out what your card is called by running dmesg there should be some entries in there
[01:09] <t_scytale> not at all
[01:09] <IIIEars> 4 boxes under my desk i guess one should keep wondows on it if only as a reminder eww - lol
[01:09] <metalsand> wow
[01:09] <metalsand> that's a lot of text
[01:09] <t_scytale> you should make sure that eth2 is the name of the pcmcia card and not of some other network interface
[01:10] <metalsand> t_scytale: how do I update the driver for my internal laptopn network card?
[01:10] <t_scytale> yeah, it is but just do 'dmesg | grep eth2'
[01:10] <metalsand> that's what i'm trying to do
[01:10] <bob2> IIIEars: you live in a country where breaking css is legal?
[01:10] <metalsand> eth2: Prism I
[01:10] <metalsand> eth2: ready
[01:11] <t_scytale> eh. you downloaded new drivers from the developers site and want to replace the drivers that came with ubuntu?
[01:11] <metalsand> I still haven't been able to use it to access the internet, though
[01:11] <t_scytale> and your pcmcia card is a prism wireless card?
[01:11] <metalsand> Yes
[01:11] <metalsand> Senao NL 2511 PLUS EXT 2
[01:13] <metalsand> The problem is that I have an internal card too
[01:13] <metalsand> for my laptop... So I'm never sure that my PCMCIA card is the one with the connection to the internet
[01:13] <Panosso> Is there any one here form Brasil !?
[01:14] <t_scytale> well you can run ifconfig or use the network settings manager to check how each card is configured
[01:14] <metalsand> What does it mean when it takes forever to activate a wireless card?
[01:14] <metalsand> For my icon for eth2, I see a little red square to the lower right.. What does that imply?
[01:14] <t_scytale> you shouldn't update the wireless drivers manually until you are sure you have set everything else up
[01:15] <t_scytale> takes ages - can mean lots of things. you should check that you have all the settings correct
[01:15] <etzerd> Hello all
[01:15] <metalsand> Damn this is frustrating
[01:15] <metalsand> I have the exact same settings as my internal
[01:15] <etzerd> How do I upgrade to the 2.11 Kernel?
[01:16] <t_scytale> you should try turning off all other interfaces (eth0 and eth1) and then try turning on eth2 from the commandline and see if there are any error messages
[01:16] <metalsand> but when I deactivate eth0 (my internal card) and activate eth2 (my PCMCIA senao - prism chipset card) I can't access the internet
[01:16] <t_scytale> ok, so you need to find out why.
[01:16] <metalsand> when I try to sudo ifdown eth0 I get an error
[01:16] <Thunder00> i'm looking for a Open souce CMS for a company which supports Departments, Sections within departments, news for each department, user authentication for each department ..... does anyone know a CMS or portal with these features ?
[01:16] <t_scytale> what error?
[01:17] <metalsand> interface eth0 not configured
[01:17] <metalsand> (while I was connected to the internet)
[01:18] <metalsand> Would it make any different if I made eth2 my primary network interface in /etc/network/interface
[01:18] <t_scytale> lemmie see, while connected to the internet run 'route' to see which interface your traffic is travelling over
[01:18] <metalsand> I'm 99% sure it's eth0
[01:18] <metalsand> Because I can't connect when I have eth2 activated/eth0 deactivated
[01:19] <t_scytale> and to find out the problem with eth2 try running 'ifup eth2' from command line and see if there are any errors
[01:19] <metalsand> but I can when I have eth0activated and eth2 actived
[01:19] <foxiness> metalsand, i think maybe u need to clear "getway" filed on eth "firest one"
[01:19] <foxiness> than u need to but the getway on new one
[01:20] <metalsand> How do I go about doing that
[01:20] <foxiness> metalsand, route
[01:20] <metalsand> The LED on my PCMCIA card is just blinking
[01:20] <metalsand> I don't have a manual (Got it OEM)
[01:20] <metalsand> Does that generally mean anything?
[01:20] <foxiness> or gui from system>adm..>network
[01:20] <graabein> hello. how do i fix glxinfo: Direct rendering: No ?
[01:21] <Myrtti> I cannot get xmltv working
[01:21] <Cam-> anyone know if you can forward VPN packets through a router that doesnt have VPN support?
[01:21] <Myrtti> anyone with any info on the matter, help?
[01:22] <t_scytale> metalsand, no
[01:22] <bwb> Cam-: if it's tunneled, dont' see why not
[01:22] <njan> Cam-, router? no problem. NAT router? may break.
[01:22] <t_scytale> so run ifup eth2 and see if it complains. then run route too see if the system is trying to send packets over eth2
[01:22] <metalsand> foxiness: how exactly do I change the gateway
[01:22] <Cam-> im thinking of setting up a vpn server
[01:22] <Cam-> :/
[01:22] <metalsand> k
[01:23] <metalsand> I'm going to decativate eth2 with the network GUI
[01:23] <Cam-> maybe ill just forward all packets to the VPN server
[01:23] <metalsand> then run it in terminal
[01:23] <Cam-> and let the VPN server do the routing?
[01:23] <njan> Cam-, if portforwarding doesn't work, that would be one option.
[01:23] <t_scytale> good idea
[01:23] <metalsand> Here we go, Scytale
[01:24] <metalsand> Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :
[01:24] <metalsand> Set failed on device eth2 ; Operation not supported
[01:24] <foxiness> metalsand, if u open network select the eho1 "double click" than clear "getway"
[01:25] <metalsand> I don't see that option
[01:26] <metalsand> t_scytale: You see my error?
[01:26] <foxiness> metalsand, getway - gateway
[01:27] <metalsand> I don't think there is a gateway field for wireless cards
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> erm there is
[01:28] <t_scytale> i see it . there is a gateway for wireless cards. first run 'ifconfig eth2' to see if the card was configured despite the error
[01:28] <Myrtti> anyone got XMLTV working?
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> it works the same as an ethernet card
[01:28] <t_scytale> paste in the line starting with 'inet addr'. then run route and see if there are any lines about eth2
[01:29] <metalsand> Bleh. Going to have to write it out
[01:29] <metalsand> inet6 addr: <my mac add< Scope: Link
[01:29] <metalsand> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:150 Metric:1
[01:29] <metalsand> 0 packs, errors, dropped, overuns, frames
[01:29] <t_scytale> nope . just the line starting with inet addr, not "inet56 addr"
[01:30] <metalsand> hahahha
[01:30] <metalsand> There isn't one
[01:30] <t_scytale> not "inet6 addr"
[01:30] <graabein> anyone got the time to help me setup glx?
[01:30] <t_scytale> ok so your card isn't configured. route/gateway is irrelevant
[01:30] <nevyn> bwb: found it.
[01:30] <t_scytale> so now you need to figure out what is wrong with the config settings for your card.
[01:30] <metalsand> It says it's configured in the network settings
[01:30] <nevyn> bwb: linux won't fragment a packet by default.
[01:30] <nevyn> bwb it drops it.
[01:31] <metalsand> How do I do that, t_scytale
[01:31] <bwb> nevyn: hrm ahhhhhhhh
[01:31] <bwb> nevyn: interesting
[01:31] <bwb> wouldn't have thought that would be default behavior
[01:31] <nevyn> so because the lan is MTU 1500 and the modem is MTU 296
[01:31] <bwb> wonder if it's ubuntu lacking a default config in most distros or..
[01:31] <nevyn> nah it's my fault.
[01:31] <bwb> cause I don't remember havint that problem on slack 3.5 ;p
[01:32] <bwb> ah?
[01:32] <nevyn> bwb it was working I forgot I twiddled ppp options to make ssh better.
[01:32] <bwb> ah
[01:32] <nevyn> lower mtu means less long per frame means QOS works on modems
[01:32] <nevyn> so interactive services get pushed up the queue
[01:33] <metalsand> t_scytale?
[01:33] <metalsand> How do I config the settings for my PCMCIA card?
[01:34] <t_scytale> ok so look in your network settings.
[01:34] <Myrtti> no-one using XMLTV?
[01:34] <metalsand> Looking...
[01:34] <t_scytale> is there a frequency set in there? remove it if there is
[01:35] <metalsand> The network settings GUI?
[01:36] <metalsand> Frequency 2.462 Ghz
[01:36] <metalsand> When I iwconfig eth2
[01:37] <t_scytale> ok, so iirc normally you don't need to specify a fequency
[01:38] <t_scytale> try clearing that in the gui and seeing what happens
[01:38] <Frafra> hi
[01:39] <Frafra> i'm using breazy
[01:39] <metalsand> it isn't listed int he GUI
[01:39] <Frafra> i've upgraded it
[01:39] <Frafra> but it displays:
[01:39] <Frafra> Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_spe/examples/uml_example.py ...
[01:39] <Frafra> Sorry: IndentationError: ('expected an indented block', ('/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_spe/examples/uml_example.py', 35, 7, '    def onOk(self):\n'))
[01:39] <Frafra> how i must do?
[01:43] <t_scytale> metalsand, look in /etc/network/interfaces/ - there should be a section in there about eth2
[01:43] <Sticky> Cowlike-away: what did you need many hours/days ago when you said my name?
[01:45] <Sticky> archive.us.ubuntu isnt letting me connect to it
[01:45] <lwizardl> hi
[01:46] <Sticky> Could not connect to us.archiv e.ubuntu.com:80 (216.165.129.138). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[01:46] <graabein> can anyone look at my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files? http://pastebin.com/279920
[01:46] <lwizardl> it says to check /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/Monitors but i don't seem to have it
[01:46] <Sticky> congrats graabein you have an xorg config :)
[01:46] <bob2> Sticky: wait a while
[01:46] <Sticky> bob2: alright
[01:47] <markuman> hello....i have some problem with flash on amd64 maschine. i have apt-get install libflibflash-mozplugin.
[01:47] <markuman> but flash don't work and firefox hang on
[01:48] <lwizardl> anyone use an HP M700 monitor ?
[01:48] <Sticky> I wish ATI didnt suck as much as 10 hookers in linux
[01:48] <metalsand> Ibimti has been mounted 20 times withou t bheing checked
[01:48] <metalsand> Check forced
[01:48] <metalsand> What does that mean?
[01:48] <metalsand> Ubuntu*
[01:49] <graabein> Sticky, i think ive got some mix-up with ubuntus and nvidias drivers. some symlink errors?
[01:50] <Xappe> metalsand: that fsck is checking your / for errors.
[01:51] <{AraGorN}> irc.irc-hispano.org
[01:51] <Sticky> graabein: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+drivers+nvidia&spell=1
[01:53] <spreda> does hoary save the contents of mbr before it writes grub to it?
[01:55] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:55] <marcin_ant> I got short and propably simple question
[01:55] <bob2> spreda: probably not
[01:55] <marcin_ant> are there any new repositories for new ubuntu release?
[01:55] <bob2> spreda: there's nothing useful in there
[01:55] <bob2> marcin_ant: hoary is a different part of the same repository
[01:56] <spreda> bob2: thanks
[01:56] <lwizardl> ok i found this online for my monitor that kubuntu only gives me options for 640x480 & 320x240 res
[01:56] <lwizardl> Hewlett-Packard; HP D2838 M700 17-inch Display; hwp0b16; 30.0-86.0; 50.0-160.0; 1
[01:56] <spreda> there is if you need to remove ubuntu!
[01:56] <marcin_ant> bob2: so, I got hoary and I wonder if there are any new packages?
[01:57] <bob2> marcin_ant: of course
[01:57] <marcin_ant> bob2: I know that hoary is "stable"
[01:57] <bob2> spreda: no there isn't
[01:57] <bob2> spreda: grub can boot windows or whatever
[01:57] <bob2> spreda: and windows can easily put it's boot sector back
[01:57] <marcin_ant> bob2: but I'm sure that development goes on - so where can I find repo with new/updated packages?
[01:58] <Seveas> marcin_ant, it is simply archive.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <Seveas> you just need the breezy lists
[01:58] <Seveas> but it isn't advisable to use breezy in this stage of development, it will break a lot
[01:58] <bob2> marcin_ant: don't use breezy
[01:58] <bob2> marcin_ant: if you have to ask how to access it, it's not ready for you
[02:00] <marcin_ant> bob2: don't worry I got free hdd to test new/devel distros
[02:00] <bob2> that's great
[02:00] <pelle_> Does anyone know how Usplash is progressing? are there binaries / sources somewhere?
[02:01] <graabein> can anyone look at my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files? http://pastebin.com/279920
[02:01] <bob2> there's a page on the wiki
[02:01] <bob2> I think that's all that exists of it
[02:01] <pelle_> Is anyone using "splashy" or are there other alternatives?
[02:06] <ana150> hello, can someone tell me, what was the command to change utf-8 to iso-8859-15 encoding
[02:07] <marcin_ant> Seveas: what do you mean with "it will break a lot" ? Is this because there is a lot of new/unstable software or there is a lot of packages that are not installable?
[02:09] <bob2> ana150: iconv
[02:09] <ana150> :o
[02:09] <looksaus> does anyone know about plans to package eclipse for ubuntu?
[02:10] <ana150> i'll try that, wasn't that one last time though...
[02:10] <graabein> does ubuntu use dpkg with nvidia driver
[02:11] <bob2> graabein: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:11] <bob2> (yes)
[02:11] <bob2> looksaus: when it works properly with free java
[02:11] <pschulz01> can anyone give me a hint on how to start buildinging under Ubuntu?
[02:11] <bob2> what does "buildinging" mean?
[02:12] <pschulz01> I'm trying to build fdclock... 'apt-get build-dep fdclock' doesn't seem to do the correct thing.
[02:12] <pschulz01> bob2: sorry - building.
[02:13] <bob2> what do you think it should do?
[02:13] <bob2> and why do you want to build fdclock?
[02:13] <pschulz01> I was expecting to to get all the dependancies that I need...
[02:14] <pschulz01> I'm looking at cairo.. and wanted to hack on an existing application.
[02:14] <bob2> yes
[02:14] <bob2> but you also need to install build-essential
[02:14] <pschulz01> Ahhh.. thanks
[02:14] <pschulz01> Already newest version!
[02:15] <rdoogie> how can i run the archive manager with administration privledges?
[02:15] <bob2> pschulz01: so what in particular are you complaining about?
[02:15] <graabein> bob2, i've followed the guide. glxinfo gives me rendering: no. can you take a look at my conf/log files?
[02:15] <bob2> no
[02:15] <bob2> I bet you didn't follow it, tho
[02:15] <pschulz01> 1. Get the source (apt-get source fdclock)
[02:15] <pschulz01> 2. configure
[02:16] <pschulz01> 3. make
[02:16] <pschulz01> 4. error...fdclock.c:143: error: `stderr' undeclared (first use in this function)
[02:16] <bob2> well
[02:16] <pschulz01> Looks kind of fundamental to me :-] 
[02:16] <bob2> tht would be a problem with you not reading debian/rules
[02:17] <bob2> and I assume you did install the build-dependencies?
[02:17] <bob2> graabein: bah, put them online somewhere
[02:17] <graabein> bob2, http://pastebin.com/279920
[02:17] <ikaro>  mojn
[02:18] <pschulz01> bob2: build-dep should do that for me.. yes?
[02:20] <bob2> pschulz01: if you ran it correctly and it installed things correctly, yes
[02:20] <bob2> graabein: you really followed the web page I told you about?
[02:20] <RTN> yo again.
[02:21] <pschulz01> bob2: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:21] <graabein> bob2, yep. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:21] <RTN> i would like to thank anyone, and everybody. i have got a lot of help here and you have been so friendly.
[02:21] <RTN> can i make my usual income statement now=
[02:22] <bob2> pschulz01: and now run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' in the source directory
[02:22] <pschulz01> bob2: running..
[02:23] <pschulz01> bob2: installing fakeroot
[02:24] <rdoogie> i want to install blender. all i need to do is extract it to a folder. how can i run the archive manager with administrative privledges?
[02:24] <pschulz01> bob2: slow machine.
[02:25] <Seveas> rdoogie, sudo archive-manager oslt, but it's better to extract is as a user and use sudo to move the folder to its final destination
[02:25] <bob2> rdoogie: er, blender is in ubuntu
[02:25] <Seveas> ah, even better :)
[02:25] <rdoogie> it is, i searched for it in synaptic and didn't see it
[02:26] <Seveas> rdoogie, it is in universe
[02:26] <Seveas> rdoogie, have you enabled universe?
[02:26] <rdoogie> i'm a complete noob
[02:26] <wonderer> greetings everyone
[02:26] <tanek> greetings
[02:26] <pschulz01> bob2: cheers... i'll see rdoogie's noob! and raise him a double-noob
[02:26] <mello> mornin' from texas
[02:26] <bob2> rdoogie: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:27] <Nechushtan> mdz: for the ide bug I submitted, should I do those commands with my modules workaround?
[02:27] <bob2> enable universe
[02:27] <rdoogie> k
 i think the nvidia installer has moved the libGL.so.1.2 from xlibmesa package to filename nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa
[02:27] <bob2> probably
[02:27] <pschulz01> bob2: are ubuntu packages generally built this way?
[02:27] <bob2> it has to divert it somewhere
[02:27] <bob2> pschulz01: yes
[02:28] <pschulz01> is there an easy way of creating a patch?
[02:28] <bob2> be more specific
[02:28] <tanek> how do i get dc running. dcgui sucks :P
[02:29] <tanek> crossover couldnt get dc++ running
[02:30] <graabein> bob2, looks like i have a dead link in /usr/lib/nvidia
[02:30] <pschulz01> bob2: I reported a bug in fdclock.. and was also going to have a better
[02:30] <pschulz01> look at it
[02:30] <wonderer> please tell me how can i make my computer connect to internet again: i have nforce2 network card - nvnet is not included on the kubuntu... the module i can get from nvidia is great but it wants kernel source, which is not included on the kubuntu... the one i can get from ubuntu ftp is 2.6.10-6 while i need 2.6.10-5.... doest that mean i have to recompile kernel? btw i have stfn so don't send me to google :)
[02:30] <wonderer> tanek try valknut
[02:30] <bob2> pschulz01: then make a backup of the tree before you modify it so you have something to diff against
[02:31] <Tweek888> Wonderer i have that card, and it died :\
[02:31] <wonderer> tanek: for direct connect network - http://dcgui.berlios.de/
[02:32] <RTN> i have full control over our network and IT administrator. somehow windows XP box just got delivered to our office, and he is just installing it right now...
[02:32] <RTN> how should i proceed...
[02:32] <RTN> it is no joke.
[02:33] <RTN> he is my friend and he is in a wheelchair.place dynamite?
[02:34] <RTN> actually,we both got the same managing director...
[02:34] <wonderer> please dear fellows don't make me reinstall suse - i like ubuntu's conception better - but it is impossisble to use this distro without an internet access
[02:34] <mello> hey guys, newb question: how do i change the color of my text in the channel in Xchat?
[02:34] <RTN> brb
[02:34] <graabein> bob2, can i remove xlibmesa packages?
[02:35] <bob2> graabein: I don't htink that's a good idea
[02:35] <bob2> wonderer: please don't be annoying like that
[02:35] <bob2> wonderer: use the forcedeth module with your silly nic
[02:35] <bob2> or buy a proper one
[02:35] <graabein> bob2, i think ubuntu.com has destroyed some symlinks
[02:37] <Tweek888> Mello settings -> preferences -> colors -> "foreground".
[02:37] <mello> which foreground
[02:38] <bob2> wonderer: -5 is the current kernel in hoary, anyway
[02:38] <mello> matching?
[02:38] <mello> markin
[02:38] <wonderer> bob2: thank you for your advice... still sudo modprobe forcedeth doest seem to fix the problem
[02:38] <Mongoose> What do i do in root terminal to install a tar.bz2 file?
[02:39] <bob2> wonderer: in what way?
[02:39] <R2D2_> Mongoose, tar xvjf <tar.bz2 file>
[02:39] <bob2> Mongoose: you don't, generally.  what is it?
[02:39] <Mongoose> How do I install file on ubuntu
[02:40] <xe||> you should use apt-get in general
[02:40] <xe||> what do you want to install?
[02:40] <kps> apparently 'file' :)
[02:40] <kps> maybe apt-get install file
[02:40] <IIIEars>  file-1.0.0.02?
[02:40] <Mongoose> a sound driver it is tar.bz2 format
[02:40] <graabein> kps, hi!
[02:40] <kps> hi there :)
[02:40] <siraj56> was good
[02:40] <xe||> ok, so it's no that "file" :-)
[02:41] <siraj56> wat
[02:41] <bob2> Mongoose: what driver?
[02:41] <kps> i have 'file' installed, but i have debian, not ubuntu
[02:41] <xe||> you should first check if it is available via apt-get, then as a .deb package
[02:41] <kps> ii  file           4.12-1         Determines file type using "magic" numbers
[02:41] <bob2> kps: then #debian
[02:41] <kps> bob2, i was just helping the guy out, not asking a question
[02:42] <bob2> ok
[02:42] <siraj56> hey hey talk english
[02:42] <bob2> Mongoose: please don't /msg me
[02:42] <kps> (i'm quite sure ubuntu has a 'file' package)
[02:42] <bob2> Mongoose: what card in particular is it?
[02:42] <Mongoose> realtek
[02:42] <kps> ok but i'll shut up now
[02:42] <siraj56> wat the hell
[02:42] <wonderer> bob2: i know the current kernel is -5 still this link gives only -6 sources ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kernel-source-2.6.10/
[02:42] <pschulz01> bob2: how should I submit a patch? (to whom?)
[02:42] <bob2> wonderer: yes, you're looking in the wrong place
[02:43] <bob2> wonderer: linux-source-2.6.10 is the package
[02:43] <bob2> Mongoose: no, what card in particular?
[02:43] <bob2> Mongoose: I'd be very surprised if ubuntu didn't include support for it already
[02:43] <bob2> pschulz01: attach it to the bug report
[02:43] <Mongoose> realtek 97
[02:44] <pschulz01> just run 'reportbug'?
[02:44] <bob2> Mongoose: then you don't need to install anything else
[02:44] <Mongoose> but what format is files usauly
[02:44] <bob2> pschulz01: no, you follow up to the existing bug on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <siraj56> hey hi greetings slutations
[02:44] <bob2> pschulz01: or malone if it's a universe package
[02:44] <andrea> hi!!
[02:44] <andrea> i need a hand..
[02:44] <xe||> mongoose: usually, programs for ubuntu/debian aren't distributed in files
[02:45] <Mongoose> thank you BOB2
[02:45] <andrea> i've just added the following line to the /etc/fstab file..
[02:45] <xe||> mongoose: you install them via apt-get install <package name>
[02:45] <pschulz01> bob2: malone? malone.ubuntu.com?
[02:45] <wonderer> bob2: i thought i just get the *_all.deb and then dpkg - i kernel-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-6_all.deb tell me where i can get a basic howto on the topic or at least tell me what to search for - i have found at least 4 simular problems in forums yet they all are unanwered.
[02:45] <andrea> /dev/hda1 /media/winxp/ ntfs umask=0777 0 0
[02:45] <bob2> pschulz01: launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/
[02:45] <ftpserver> thats illegal
[02:45] <Mongoose> where do you get atp-get?
[02:45] <andrea> !?
[02:45] <ftpserver> hi
[02:45] <bob2> ftpserver: please don't be annoying
[02:45] <xe||> mongoose: it's already installed
[02:45] <kps> Mongoose, it is 'apt-get'
[02:46] <Mongoose> Where is it on ubuntu
[02:46] <andrea> but the permissions are set to other values
[02:46] <bob2> Mongoose: /usr/bin/apt-get
[02:46] <xe||> mongoose: just type it in the shell
[02:46] <andrea> someone could help me?
[02:47] <no0b> how do i install .deb files?
[02:47] <xe||> dpkg -i <filename>
[02:47] <no0b> thanks
[02:47] <Aemaeth> evening
[02:47] <andrea> -___^
[02:47] <Aemaeth> im curious, does ubuntu handle things like esd over oss out of the box?
[02:47] <andrea> ehi?!
[02:47] <SiRrUs> morning Aemaeth :)
[02:47] <bob2> andrea: you need to ask a question first...
[02:48] <bob2> Aemaeth: mostly
[02:48] <Aemaeth> mostly?
[02:48] <bob2> Aemaeth: it's all crap until everything uses alsa and dmix, tho
[02:48] <bob2> mostly.
[02:48] <reed> hi all
[02:48] <Aemaeth> yay
[02:48] <andrea> ok
[02:48] <Aemaeth> thats what mainly bothers me about linux :(
[02:48] <Aemaeth> amount of work needed after install
[02:48] <reed> does any of you successfully synced a usb palm with hoary?
[02:49] <andrea> i've modified the /etc/fstab file in order to remount a partition at boot time
[02:49] <andrea> adding this line: /dev/hda1 /media/winxp/ ntfs umask=0777 0 0
[02:49] <bob2> Mongoose: please stop /msg'ing me
[02:49] <Aemaeth> so what makes ubuntu so user friendly over debian?
[02:49] <bob2> Mongoose: please?
[02:49] <andrea> but when i execute mount -a
[02:49] <bob2> Aemaeth: read the website and try it
[02:49] <gundam1> exit
[02:49] <andrea> and i try to watch the permission of the winxp directory
[02:50] <Aemaeth> reading the website at the moment, not much in terms of detail
[02:50] <xe||> aemath: the packages aren't as old as in woody
[02:50] <Aemaeth> its very much gloss overview
[02:50] <bob2> yes
[02:50] <andrea> permissions are different
[02:50] <bob2> so try it and see
[02:50] <Aemaeth> its alot of effort to repartition etc, so this is why im doing a bit of research
[02:50] <reed> andrea: try to write on one line: it is better for comprehension :)
[02:50] <xe||> Aemaeth: the debian release cycle is just too slow to use it as a desktop system
[02:50] <bob2> no, it's not
[02:51] <andrea> ok :)
[02:51] <bob2> and uninformed debian trolling is off-topic
[02:51] <Aemaeth> hrm
[02:51] <Aemaeth> im just curious what the major differences between ubuntu and debian really are
[02:52] <andrea> so can you help me bob2?
[02:52] <Aemaeth> also, does ubuntu make a decent gaming platform with cedega etc?
[02:52] <reed> Aemaeth: already asked google?
[02:52] <xe||> of course there are ways to keep debian up to date, but they are way too difficult for beginners imo
[02:52] <IIIEars> sudo, sudo, and of course sudo?
[02:52] <Aemaeth> i have reed, not much that i personally found of use
[02:52] <reed> Aemaeth: good gaming platforms are psx2 and xbox
[02:52] <bob2> Aemaeth: just try it
[02:52] <bob2> telling you about it is not going to convince y
[02:52] <Aemaeth>  /me sighs
[02:52] <bob2> ou
[02:52] <bob2> andrea: I don't know what your problem is
[02:53] <Aemaeth> if this is the sort of community that produces it, im not sure i want to try it
[02:53] <Aemaeth> but neway
[02:53] <reed> andrea: show a line of output ls -la /media/xp
[02:53] <bob2> lordy
[02:53] <bob2> what do you want?
[02:53] <reed> Aemaeth: amen
[02:53] <Mongoose> Please tell me step for step how to install .tar files
[02:53] <bob2> 385 rabid fans telling you why it's awesome?
[02:53] <bob2> Mongoose: what are you trying to install?
[02:53] <reed> Mongoose: already asked google?
[02:54] <Aemaeth> i just want a quick answer to what are the main differences, and what are peoples personal experiances with games on it
[02:54] <Aemaeth> nothing indepth
[02:54] <Mongoose> yes i did ask google.co.za
[02:54] <bob2> Mongoose: you need to be more specific.  what are you trying to do?
[02:54] <andrea> reed: i can't show you the output.. it's too big
[02:54] <reed> Aemaeth: ubuntu community cares about free software, not much non-free games
[02:54] <reed> andrea: http://pastebin.org
[02:54] <pschulz01> Aemaeth: the main difference (as I see it) is packaging and release policies.
[02:55] <kps> what about free games ?
[02:55] <RTN> whoaaa....!!!
[02:55] <bob2> Aemaeth: the main difference is 6 month release cycle, and saner defaults.
[02:55] <Mongoose> install a file "azx-022205.tar.bz2"
[02:55] <andrea> but it's simply the content of an NTFS partition !!
[02:55] <Aemaeth> how is packaging different?
[02:55] <bob2> if you want more details, you have to use it.
[02:55] <reed> kps: wesnoth is cool :)
[02:55] <RTN> is that a sort of thank-you?
[02:55] <bob2> Aemaeth: it's not different
[02:55] <RTN> http://peedu.tumbleweeds.ee/bob.png
[02:55] <bob2> Mongoose: what is it
[02:55] <bob2> ?
[02:55] <kps> reed, yeah i gotta try that some time
[02:55] <reed> andrea: what are the permssions then? summarize what you see
[02:55] <pschulz01> Aemaeth: sorry.. more what is packages.. eg. free (as in speech) stuff.
[02:55] <andrea> my problem is that the permission of the /media/xp folder isn't set to 0777
[02:56] <Aemaeth> hrm
[02:56] <reed> kps: I have installed it yesterday, I have done the first tutorial :)
[02:56] <xwing> hi
[02:56] <reed> andrea: man umask
[02:56] <kps> reed, ok great :)
[02:56] <IIIEars> << Going to stick with linux until i am old and grey or  ubuntu rules the world. - muhahahaha!  (er ahem - am i a rabid believer or what - lol)
[02:56] <reed> andrea: I guessed right that you don't know what umask is
[02:56] <kps> reed, i have to shamelessly advertice http://xpilot.sf.net/ (been working a bit on programming a new version of the old game xpilot)
[02:57] <pschulz01> Aemaeth: Debian has been much more rigid in it's policy.
[02:57] <xwing> can someone help me with getting either the gnome (currently on) or kde to have more than 640x480/320x240 resolutions
[02:57] <andrea> yes i know
[02:57] <andrea> ...... but i realized now that i'm an idiot... :)
[02:57] <Mongoose> it is a driver with lot of files
[02:57] <reed> kps: going to check ... is it packaged on hoary?
[02:57] <bob2> Mongoose: a driver for what?
[02:57] <kps> no
[02:57] <Mongoose> sound
[02:57] <xe||> Mongoose: where did you download it?
[02:57] <andrea> i thought that the umask in the fstab file refers to the folder, not to the nested files.. eheh :)
[02:57] <bob2> Mongoose: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include a driver for your sound card?
[02:58] <kps> there is a guy who made a debian package of xpilot ng 4.6.6, but there is none for the latest version 4.7.1
[02:58] <Mongoose> realtek.com.tw
[02:58] <reed> andrea: there is no such thing as a folder! it is a directory
[02:58] <reed> :)
[02:58] <Aemaeth> ah well, ill have a bash at it 2morrow
[02:58] <Aemaeth> bad pun, i know
[02:58] <Mongoose> I have sound now after reinstalling ubuntu
[02:58] <RTN> i really believe, that ubuntu has support for all the soundcards that have not been stolen from the museum.
[02:58] <IIIEars> any help for the new user with display trouble - heard that question once or twice before.
[02:58] <Aemaeth> but yes, hopefully ill like it more than mdk
[02:59] <bob2> IIIEars: you need to ask a specific question
[02:59] <reed> andrea: nope, umask is a different thing.  Study Unix, it is helpful
[02:59] <ptlo> in hoary, if i want to force gnome to use specific application for a particular file type, how do i do that? opening with "open with" doesn't set/change the default app, and the dialog that was used to change this in earlier gnome versions is no longer present in 2.10
[03:00] <IIIEars> just saw a question about ubuntu "safe display res of 640x480" i would guess that he would like more lines.
[03:01] <Tomcat_> ptlo: Properties of the file, change it there
[03:01] <Tomcat_> ptlo: There's a tab "Open With".
[03:01] <ptlo> ohh
[03:01] <ptlo> thanks :)
[03:01] <IIIEars> xwing are you still there? - i got lucky trying this ctrl+alt + Plus sign
[03:03] <graabein> anyone besides bob2 can help me with nvidia card setup??
[03:03] <blueyed> Is there a command to list all available users/groups?
[03:03] <graabein> :)
[03:04] <graabein> try /list
[03:04] <blueyed> graabein, I mean with bash.. :)
[03:04] <bob2> graabein: probably best to ask in the user list
[03:04] <graabein> hehe
[03:04] <bob2> blueyed: not really
[03:05] <bob2> blueyed: aside from cat /etc/passwd
[03:05] <blueyed> ok. and /etc/group.. thanks, bob2.
[03:06] <Aemaeth> OoOoO, one more very important question. does/can ubuntu support multiple and/or composite monitors?
[03:06] <Aemaeth> im thinking it uses zorg ?
[03:06] <Aemaeth> xorg*
[03:06] <srn> yes it does
[03:07] <blueyed> no, b0rg.. ;)
[03:07] <srn> if you apply correct drivers for your gfx card
[03:07] <Aemaeth> easily, or with pain and blood? :P cos ive found its plain and blood with mdk so far
[03:07] <kps> heh graabein you don't approve of my methods ? :)
[03:07] <reed> kps: tried xpilot, need to hack the keyboard mapping
[03:07] <Seveas> Aemaeth, fairly easy, but not without any effort
[03:08] <Aemaeth> i cant seem to get mdk drivers to compile on mdk, not sure why. hopefully ubuntu will like them :)
[03:08] <srn> im having a problem .. when booting all usb power dissapears .. my mouse turns off .. everything else works fine, except for the usb ..
[03:08] <bob2> er
[03:08] <bob2> what drivers would you need to compile?
[03:08] <graabein> kps, hehe guess im a wuss as well as a newbie
[03:08] <reed> Aemaeth: what drivers?
[03:08] <Aemaeth> Seveas, i figured, i was just curios if it was really technical as is on some flavours
[03:08] <Aemaeth> radeon 9600 ones
[03:09] <Seveas> Aemaeth, ubuntu has good precompiled ones
[03:09] <Aemaeth> thats good
[03:09] <Aemaeth> are the manufacturer ones worth an upgrade?
[03:09] <Seveas> Aemaeth, install the linux-686 package (if on 686, there's also linux-k7 for amd)
[03:09] <bob2> no
[03:09] <Aemaeth> k
[03:09] <kps> reed, i usually just 'xev' program to figure out names of keyboard keys and then put those in the config file
[03:10] <Aemaeth> just so i know its possible. multiple monitors are a big need of mine
[03:10] <Aemaeth> im addicted
[03:10] <reed> kps: will get back to it later, now I need to solve Bug 10393 myself
[03:12] <kps> reed, where can i see what that is ?
[03:12] <reed> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10393
[03:12] <linforcer> hey, can anyone tell me where I can change what keymap ubuntu loads at boot?
[03:12] <reed> linforcer: for gnome or shell?
[03:12] <linforcer> reed shell
[03:13] <kps> reed, ok have fun
[03:13] <linforcer> as I switched to dvorak and
[03:14] <reed> linforcer: sorry, no help there... I know to use loadkeys to change them, but I don't remember on top of my head how to set it permanently
[03:14] <Fahim> can somebody tell me the command for deleting a folder???
[03:14] <linforcer> yeah I know that too >.>
[03:14] <linforcer> rm ?
[03:14] <reed> Fahim: they are called directories
[03:14] <Tomcat_> Fahim: rmdir
[03:15] <Fahim> thx
[03:15] <reed> Fahim: rm -r .... rmdir works only if the dir is empty
[03:15] <bob2> I'd use the list before the forums
[03:15] <bob2> a long way before the forums
[03:16] <Fahim> rm -r doesn't work
[03:16] <fsapo> anyone knows a good bittorrent client instead of azureus? they just fucked with azureus in this last update
[03:16] <Fahim> console doesn't know that command
[03:16] <bob2> Fahim: yes it doe
[03:18] <linforcer> fsapo , isn't gnome bittorrent sufficient?
[03:21] <fsapo> linforcer, i want something to choose files to download.. and some more options
[03:21] <Mr_Milenko> this is hilarious..
[03:21] <linforcer> fsapo, I see
[03:21] <Mr_Milenko> discotux.. headbanging to some Insane Clown Posse
[03:21] <Mr_Milenko> rofl
[03:21] <xwing> can someone help me with configuring kubuntu for my monitor/video card this 640x480/320x240 only sucks
[03:21] <bob2> try #kubuntu
[03:22] <linforcer> fsapo , I dont know then, Im still running the old azureus :P
[03:22] <Mr_Milenko> i notice on azureus website.. you cant download new az
[03:22] <Mr_Milenko> o.O
[03:22] <fsapo> linforcer, i think i m gonna search for the old one and reinstall it
[03:22] <Mr_Milenko> brb
[03:23] <linforcer> fsapo, good luck
[03:23] <fsapo> linforcer, thanx
[03:24] <Mr_Milenko> <(^_^<)
[03:24] <Mr_Milenko> does anyone know a good "GUI" for wine or cedega?
[03:24] <Mr_Milenko> soemthing that makes it simple to point click and install
[03:25] <Myrtti> ok, I really need some help now
[03:25] <bob2> what would it do?
[03:25] <Mr_Milenko> i mean for applications.. kinda like somethin to "emulate the windows start menu"
[03:25] <Mr_Milenko> so i can just click a list and run an application
[03:25] <jfk303> I've just been given an i-pod photo thingy, has anyoneg ot one working with ubuntu, if so how do I use it? thanks
[03:26] <bob2> gtkpod.
[03:26] <Myrtti> I put the system back on the UTF-8-state, but I'd like my gnome-terminal to be in that state too
[03:26] <jfk303> bob2, whats that?
[03:26] <Myrtti> it gets these wacky ANSI-locales from somewhere
[03:27] <jfk303> is there some nice easy drag and drop software?
[03:27] <bob2> why don't you have a look?
[03:27] <Gianmaria> Hi guys
[03:27] <jfk303> bob2, ok thanks...
[03:28] <Gianmaria> I want to install Ubuntu on a laptop wit pcmcia ethernet card, no cdrom drive but there's a floppy drive at least, any suggestions?
[03:29] <fsapo> linforcer, installed "qtorrent" here... it hasnt many options... but its "flying" O_O twiece the azureus speed
[03:29] <linforcer> neat :O
[03:29] <Mr_Milenko> Gianmaria: i dunno.. couldn't you use a debian bootfloppie install and turn the system into Ubuntu from Debian?
[03:29] <Mr_Milenko> just a dumb suggestion :P
[03:30] <graabein> jfk303, http://gtkpod.sourceforge.net/
[03:30] <Gianmaria> Mr_Milenko: I don't know about that, it seems to be that's a not a clean install...
[03:30] <Xappe> Gianmaria: or maybe this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29555
[03:30] <Mr_Milenko> hmm
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> i tried :(
[03:31] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:31] <reed> Gianmaria: do you have enough ram and processor speed?
[03:31] <linforcer> wow download.com started kicking off all software w/ spy or adware
[03:31] <Gianmaria> reed: yeah
[03:31] <linforcer> about time
[03:32] <Mr_Milenko> not like it matters anymore
[03:32] <Mr_Milenko> there will ALWAYS be software with spy/adware
[03:32] <linforcer> true
[03:33] <Mr_Milenko> lol.. microsofts anti-spyware app sees Firfox as a "Exploitable Application"
[03:33] <Mr_Milenko> rpf;
[03:33] <Mr_Milenko> rofl*
[03:33] <linforcer> good thing not much of it is Linux (yet)
[03:33] <linforcer> hahaha
[03:34] <linforcer> blech *kicks google*
[03:35] <Gianmaria> Xappe: thanks dude, it seems to be surfing up
[03:35] <Rydekull> Mr_Milenko: yeah, and you dont think that one is quite... rigged?
[03:35] <linforcer> I wish those bastards would port Picasa to Linux
[03:35] <Mr_Milenko> of course its rigged
[03:35] <orhs> hey all
[03:35] <Mr_Milenko> its microsoft.. they dont want "free software" on there OS
[03:36] <Mr_Milenko> ahem.. Opensource
[03:36] <Gianmaria> reed: what's about my ram size, were you thinking about some way to install?
[03:36] <Xappe> Gianmaria: please tell if it works out, can be good to know... :)
[03:36] <linforcer> so how about that ReactOS?
[03:37] <Mr_Milenko> there portin it to xbox
[03:37] <Mr_Milenko> and i heard "RUMORS" that people who work on Xebian (Eds Debian) are gonna try portin Ubuntu to Xbox
[03:38] <reed> Gianmaria: I don't know if ubuntu's installer support net install. that could be a chance
[03:39] <reed> Gianmaria: I have asked about ram and processor because people often try installing ubunty on oooooooold computers and that is a big NoNo
[03:39] <linforcer> I only have a Gamecube :(
[03:40] <Aemaeth> reed, why is installing ubunty on old putas a bad idea?
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> reed: check this out <g>
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Celeron (Mendocino Speed: 399.205 MHz Cache: 128 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 194/321M [|||||||||||]  ( 60.4% ) | [ HD Model: WDC WD80EB-28CGH1 Size: 87G with 75G Free ( 86.2% ) ]  | Number of process: 158
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:40] <linforcer> Installing Ubuntu on old pcs should be no prob: just remove GNOME and install Fluxbox :P
[03:40] <reed> Mr_Milenko: old I mean old
[03:40] <linforcer> 386?
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> eh.. mines old enough
[03:40] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:41] <reed> like pII
[03:41] <abbot45> i need a program than can convert audio formats.  like .m4a > .mp3
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> I had 386 kernel.. but put 686 on to see if itd work
[03:41] <linforcer> p2 w/ fluxbox runs ok
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> and it did o.O
[03:41] <Aemaeth> does ubuntu hoary come with the latest gnome etc?
[03:41] <xMaximex> xandros runs on a xbos
[03:41] <xMaximex> xbox
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> i have gentoo on mine
[03:41] <Mr_Milenko> :)
[03:42] <linforcer> gentoo rawks
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> and some.. not so legal applications..
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> o.o
[03:42] <linforcer> wish I had it
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> i cant help it.. XBMC is beutifull
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:42] <Gianmaria> linux was born to kick ass to big pcs, I know networks built upon 500mhz boxes...linux rules, period
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> I even have windows running on my xbox
[03:42] <linforcer> >.>
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> XDSL (Xbox Damn Small Windows) with qemu running windows 98
[03:42] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[03:43] <linforcer> haha
[03:43] <linforcer> leet
[03:43] <Mr_Milenko> thats how i got familiar with linux.. i started playing with linux when mandrake 7 came out
[03:43] <Mr_Milenko> off and on with different distros.. always went back to windows
[03:44] <Aemaeth> i started with redhat 7.3
[03:44] <Aemaeth> icky
[03:44] <linforcer> My dad was downloading FreeBSD back when we had dial-up O.o
[03:44] <SeeThat> hey
[03:44] <SeeThat> I need a little help on c++
[03:44] <balor> Anyone having DRI problems with todays Breezy?
[03:44] <SeeThat> I have opened a file with ifstream input1
[03:44] <Mr_Milenko> i dont understand why people bash windows so much.. its a good OS.. its devs just suck
[03:44] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:44] <linforcer> Then he got SuSE from work
[03:44] <Mr_Milenko> i heard SuSe is quite nice
[03:45] <SeeThat> and now I create another object ifstream input2 and I want input2 to start reading from the same location where input1 left
[03:45] <SeeThat> can I do that ?
[03:45] <Mr_Milenko> dunno.. only distro i've used for more then 2 months is ubuntu
[03:45] <Mr_Milenko> i like it :)
[03:45] <linforcer> the fool uses Novell Linux desktop now
[03:45] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko :wondering what's better of windows than linux?
[03:45] <tanek> are there any workin valknut .debs?
[03:45] <linforcer> SuSE, nah
[03:45] <fsapo> hi.. my desktop icons just dissapeared.. what can i do to show then withou restarting the x server?
[03:45] <Mr_Milenko> theres alot of stuff that can be better for everyday use on Linux
[03:46] <claude> ifstream.duplicate
[03:46] <linforcer> anything without ap-get, emerge, or similar = nono in my book
[03:46] <Mr_Milenko> but video is better on windows or mac and will be in the close future.. as well as gaming
[03:46] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko: video is better? i get alot better performance from my nvidia cards then windows
[03:46] <linforcer> I dont game on my pc
[03:46] <Mr_Milenko> i mean encoding
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> and editing
[03:47] <sparkling> hi all
[03:47] <linforcer> thats what my cube is for
[03:47] <camcorder> and for gaming,, well it's not windows plus, it's all the third party applications
[03:47] <sparkling> is there someone use gdesklets and starterbar (like macsx dock)
[03:47] <camcorder> yeah exactly, usign pc for games is waste of resource, console are better
[03:47] <linforcer> sparkling me
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> nope.. i dissagree
[03:47] <camcorder> and for those strategy games, they mostly work on linux too
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> consoles suck with shooters
[03:47] <SeeThat> claude: ifstream.duplicate you mean ifstream input2.duplicate = input1
[03:47] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:47] <SeeThat> or what ?
[03:47] <SeeThat> how to write it
[03:48] <Mr_Milenko> keyboard/mouse > joypad
[03:48] <sparkling> linforcer, ok i've installer now ubuntu, then with apt-get in've installed gdesklets and gdesklets-data
[03:48] <sparkling> installed*
[03:48] <sparkling> i've opend gdesklets window then i've double click on starterbar then i've placed the bar on desktop
[03:48] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko: it's because you used to them, i know lots of talented games that use joypad like hell ;)
[03:48] <sparkling> is it right until now?
[03:48] <something_else> ok,  think I kinda effed up my /etc/hosts
[03:48] <claude> IIRC ifstream *input2
[03:48] <Mr_Milenko> camcorder: im a console nerd ;)
[03:48] <something_else> heres the problem
[03:49] <Mr_Milenko> i dont play games on my pc.. but its a fact Shooters should stay on PC's lol
[03:49] <claude> input1.duplicate(*input2);
[03:49] <linforcer> should be
[03:49] <something_else> load gnome, if no network, seems to take ages
[03:49] <linforcer> sparkling hold on
[03:49] <camcorder> Mr_Milenko: considering shooters rlsed on pc alot earlier than console, it's hard to claim you are not used to mouse + keyboard
[03:49] <SeeThat> claude: can you be more elaborative
[03:49] <SeeThat> I can't get you
[03:49] <something_else> if network available, complains about lack of hostname in /etc/hosts
[03:49] <something_else> so I add my hostname to /etc/hosts
[03:50] <something_else> using IP followed by hostname
[03:50] <Tizzy> anyone know how to enable the screensaver (permanently) when looged in as root???
[03:50] <linforcer> sparkling: just switched keyboards I should type faster now
[03:50] <sparkling> well now when i try to add a new button to bar i obtain an error
[03:50] <linforcer> sparkling: I am still getting used to dvorak, you see
[03:50] <sparkling> and no button add
[03:50] <something_else> so err still no result
[03:50] <linforcer> sparkling: I had lots of errors with gdesklets when I had the data package installed
[03:51] <something_else> I get internet connection after lots of playing about with iwconfig ...
[03:51] <linforcer> sparkling: then I reinstalled without the data package and all was well
[03:51] <something_else> and even then its slow
[03:51] <balor> Is there an ubuntu development channel?
[03:51] <Mr_Milenko> only good shooter for a console is Halo
[03:51] <Mr_Milenko> lol
[03:51] <linforcer> sparkling try that first
[03:51] <sparkling> ok
[03:51] <sparkling> i try
[03:51] <something_else> no one?
[03:51] <something_else> okey doke
[03:52] <claude> you have to declare a pointer to a ifstream datatype (input2) and then instanciate the copy with the duplicate function of the object ifstream
[03:52] <sparkling> linforcer, i've installed only gdesklets, now where i can get starterbar?
[03:52] <linforcer> sparkling lemme look up the link
[03:53] <sparkling> ok
[03:53] <mlh> balor, #ubuntu-devel
[03:54] <camcorder> well, I believe that it's applications that makes computer 'usable' not os. and any platform that let good applications exist will rule
[03:54] <camcorder> windows catched that flow in past, and not linux is catching it
[03:54] <camcorder> s/not/now
[03:54] <balor> mlh: thanks
[03:55] <camcorder> the battle will actually begin when longhorn relased
[03:55] <camcorder> when xp released, linux desktop really unable to compete and ugly as hell
[03:56] <dark_horse> I dont get midi to work, kmid reports could not open /dev/sequencer
[03:56] <camcorder> and today everyone is already developed applications for xp, and no need to switch,they have already paid their licences
[03:56] <sparkling> linforcer, i've found it now it works all perfectly
[03:56] <sparkling> :D
[03:56] <sparkling> gdesklets-data suks... :|
[03:56] <Xappe> sparkling, link?
[03:57] <linforcer_> sparkling did you get the adress before my connection failed?
[03:57] <camcorder> MS can't lost all those application base, if they do then they will offer nothing new to nobody, and ppl most probably consider linux that time
[03:57] <sparkling> yes
[03:57] <jfk303> hi, my ipod has never been used, will I have to use it with itunes to configure it before I can use it with gtkpod
[03:57] <linforcer_> allright
[03:57] <sparkling> gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[03:57] <Xappe> sparkling, thnx
[03:58] <tanek> nr man trodde att musiken inte kunde bli smre...
[03:58] <tanek> outstanding!
[03:58] <linforcer_> >.>
[03:58] <linforcer_> norks? finsk? svensk?
[03:59] <linforcer_> sk*
[03:59] <dark_horse> has anyone made kmid to work with hoary?
[03:59] <sparkling> nope
[03:59] <linforcer_> sparkling: work now?
[03:59] <dark_horse> ...with some other sequencer
[03:59] <sparkling> yes
[04:00] <sparkling> perfectly
[04:00] <dusselmann> anybody from germany on?
[04:00] <balor> Anyone seen this error with and i865 agpgart before "[drm:drm_fill_in_dev]  *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module."?
[04:00] <sparkling> gdesklets-data are a malware :(
[04:00] <linforcer_> dusselman, no, but I speak basic german xD
[04:00] <linforcer_> dusselman (VERY basic)
[04:01] <dusselmann> that's no problem.. :) i'm a linux newbie and just need some help
[04:01] <tanek> BRA MUSIK PLZ
[04:01] <linforcer_> dusselmann I think there is a german ubuntu channel too
[04:02] <linforcer_> anybody know what it's called ?? ubuntu-de?
[04:03] <linforcer_> >.>
[04:06] <da_didi> hi
[04:06] <da_didi> my sound card is listed in "aplay -l" but i don't hear anything and it is not muted and the volume is checked and so..
[04:06] <da_didi> any idea?
[04:07] <Tizzy> does anyone know where the screensaver demon is started from???
[04:08] <linforcer_> dusselman opic for #ubuntu-de is Freundlicher deutscher ubuntuchannel
[04:08] <linforcer_> ;)
[04:08] <dusselmann> linforcer_ thx :)
[04:08] <linforcer_> duseelman np
[04:08] <linforcer_> dusselman np
[04:14] <dcraven> Tizzy: If you are trying to disable it, you can do it from System, Preferences, Screensaver I believe.
[04:20] <dcraven> I need opinions for an app idea I have.. Maybe the app already exists, I dunno.
[04:20] <Aemaeth> night all, sleep time! (amsg)
[04:20] <dcraven> Later Aemaeth
[04:21] <quiet> hey, if i install 4.10 can I 'apt-get dist-upgrade' to 5.10??
[04:21] <dcraven> quiet: To breezy? You can, but I'd suggest Hoary for the time being.
[04:21] <quiet> or.. 5.04 e ven...
[04:22] <quiet> i meant 5.04
[04:22] <dcraven> quiet: Then yes.
[04:22] <quiet> change anything in apt sources.list??
[04:22] <bhearsum> i uninstalled hotplug and now neither of my wireless cards work, even when i load the modules manually.
[04:22] <dcraven> quiet: You need to change instances of "warty" to "hoary".
[04:22] <kvidell> quiet: :%s/warty/hoary/g in apt sources.list
[04:23] <quiet> ok cool thank
[04:23] <quiet> thanks
[04:23] <merriam> dcraven: what app idea?
[04:24] <shmoolik> hello :)
[04:24] <kvidell> dcraven: just out of curiosity. If I were running debian stable, could I just change the apt/sources.list to reflect all the proper repositories for hoary and upgrade?
[04:24] <kvidell> since debian stable's all old packages anyway, it'd all get upgraded.
[04:24] <shmoolik> i have a problem with aptget update i get this error got few days Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/universe/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[04:24] <dcraven> merriam: It would be a personal wiki.. An applet that when clicked popped up a little browser that displayed the wiki pages. The same window would allow you to edit it etc.. Maybe a tree to navigate easily etc.
[04:25] <dcraven> kvidell: I did that from sid on one of my machines.
[04:25] <merriam> dcraven: I know two somewhat like that.
[04:25] <dcraven> merriam: Ahh.. What are their names?
[04:26] <kvidell> hm.. interesting. :) Thanks. (I'm running breezy on this laptop but have a few deb boxes that could use a facelift)
[04:26] <merriam> one is http://repose.cx/emacs/wiki/
[04:26] <dcraven> merriam: I'm not talkin' about things like Tomboy either. I'm not a fan of that.
[04:26] <merriam> ok.  The other was tomboy. :)
[04:27] <dcraven> merriam: I'm talking about embedding the gecko widget in the browser. Like an actual wiki. The app would include a simple webserver, localhost only probably.
[04:27] <b0ol_> hey i got a question : i use an amd processor
[04:27] <b0ol_> but i have an -386 kernel!?
[04:28] <b0ol_> why not k7 ?
[04:28] <b0ol_> Oo.
[04:28] <dcraven> merriam: And it wouldn't require emacs :)
[04:29] <dcraven> b0ol_: 386 is kindof a catchall, safe choice to install by default.
[04:29] <Dark3Lite> after a while my lock screen just does not work..
[04:29] <Dark3Lite> wonder why..
[04:29] <b0ol_> but i have k7 :<
[04:29] <dcraven> merriam: You think that would be useful?
[04:30] <anto9us> b0ol: you can upgrade your kernel
[04:30] <dcraven> merriam: Well.. Doesn't really matter much. I'd use it :)
[04:30] <b0ol> hm...  i think i'll do that
[04:30] <b0ol> :>
[04:30] <karljp> useful tidbit: uncomment the loading of /etc/bash_completion from your .bashrc
[04:30] <merriam> dcraven: so a dedicated gecko-based browser and an httpd with a wiki?
[04:30] <b0ol> first i compile a new one
[04:30] <b0ol> cya
[04:30] <b0ol> :)
[04:30] <karljp> enjoy the love, have cd only complete directories
[04:30] <anto9us> b0ol: there may me one already compiled
[04:31] <dcraven> merriam: Well yeah, but but simplified you see... And the "browser" would not be a typical browser. It would be specialized.
[04:31] <icon> I'm surprised to see that my Intuos tablet is somewhat working right off the bat.
[04:31] <dcraven> merriam: I understand the same can be done with apache and firefox :)
[04:32] <merriam> dcraven: It could be useful to bind the three more tightly, so that they work like emacs-wiki and tomboy...
[04:32] <anto9us> welcome to the world of ubuntu icon :)
[04:32] <elektrolyytti> i cant get wammu to work on ubuntu (its gammu GUI, http://www.cihar.com/gammu/wammu/) has anyone tried this on ubuntu?
[04:32] <icon> though I wonder if there's better support for it. (thanks anto + milenko)
[04:32] <b0ol> hm... i downloaded the whole linux-source stuff but i cant find it in /usr/src/
[04:33] <icon> other than that -- all is well. :)
[04:34] <elektrolyytti> Does anyone know good utility to to connect to phone with bluetooth?
[04:35] <b0ol> icon:
[04:35] <b0ol> go to mixer and change source to alsa
[04:35] <b0ol> --> terminal alsa-mixer
[04:35] <b0ol> or something like this
[04:36] <anto9us> elektrolyytti: I haven't used it myself but gnokii may do what you want
[04:37] <elektrolyytti> anto9us: does it work with nokia?
[04:37] <exalted> Any Development Environment for GNOME?
[04:37] <merriam> dcraven: would you use existing wiki software?
[04:37] <icon> thanks... trying to get it to like alsa. Thanks bOol.. I'll let you know how it goes
[04:37] <anto9us> elektrolyytti: yes
[04:37] <elektrolyytti> anto9us: ok, ty ill check
[04:37] <karljp> wikitastic, if only they weren't so piggy to set up
[04:39] <dcraven> merriam: Hmm.. Unsure. Depends on if there were one that could integrate well enough and that I liked the syntax of :)
[04:39] <karljp> what are you using now dc?
[04:40] <dcraven> merriam: There was a proof of concept made called WebNotes written in mono, but it was just some stuff slapped together (it used didiwiki), and the author has no interest in staying with it. That's where I got the idea from.
[04:41] <merriam> dcraven: Would you use mono?
[04:41] <dcraven> merriam: I'd use Python.
[04:41] <davyd_> THEY DRINK IT IN THE CONGO!
[04:41] <davyd_> ahem.
[04:41] <merriam> twisted?
[04:41] <davyd_> anyone setup xorg on a i915 chipset?
[04:41] <dcraven> merriam: I dunno.. I'd likely avoid it, but possibly.
[04:42] <dcraven> merriam: I'm not sure I'd need it.
[04:42] <anto9us> davyd_: have you ever been to the congo?
[04:42] <davyd_> does it matter?
[04:43] <anto9us> davyd_: yes, how do you know what they drink there?
[04:43] <davyd_> I heard it on lugradio
[04:44] <anto9us> davyd_: :)
[04:44] <anto9us> davyd_: have you looked at the hardware list on the ubuntu wiki?
[04:46] <Exposure> Can I force certain packages not to be installed? For instance swat is included when i install samba
[04:47] <icon> how does one log into root on their ubuntu to configure their system set up?
[04:48] <Exposure> icon: sudo passwd root
[04:48] <davyd_> anto9us: ah, the trick is to use vesa and not i810
[04:48] <Exposure> and after that 'su -'
[04:49] <balor> Is there any way to roll back from Breezy to Hoary?
[04:49] <dazzed> does ubuntu have a package for a bunch of man pages including strftime
[04:49] <petemc> manpages-dev
[04:50] <dazzed> thanks
[04:51] <T_Trainer> balor, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo might help
[04:51] <balor> T_Trainer, thanks
[04:51] <dcraven> merriam: Something like this is what I'm thinking, except the Home/Changes/New/Help etc would be gtk widgets --> http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/Screenshot-Newton.png
[04:54] <Sauron21> hi....is there anyway to find out the ip of people on msn?.....
[04:55] <anto9us> dcraven: have you seen python card?
[04:55] <dcraven> merriam: The edit screen -->  http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/Screenshot-Newton-1.png
[04:56] <dcraven> anto9us: I think I have before.. But I forget. I'll check it out.
[04:57] <anto9us> dcraven: I think it can do all that you describe and more, easily.
[04:57] <aasitus> I'm trying to install e17 by downloading the .debs from mirror.my-space.ath.cx/etc (I can't get apt to do it), but the packages are for i386 and I'm running amd64. Can I install them anyways?
[04:57] <dcraven> anto9us: pythoncard the "GUI construction kit"?
[04:58] <anto9us> dcraven: yeah, it's based on hypercard from the Mac world. I did one of my first ever applications on hypercard some 18 years ago. That was easy to use.
[05:00] <dcraven> anto9us: Pygtk can do it too.. Unless I'm missing something.
[05:01] <re|run> Can someone help me with getting bluetooth going on my laptop?
[05:01] <da_didi> i still don't hear anything, i checked alsamixer and even aplay doesn't play something. aplay -l shows my card and it is not muted or something like this
[05:01] <da_didi> any idea? i already used google
[05:02] <anto9us> dcraven: Yeah, probably, buy I think pythoncard attempts to be more of an authoring system than programming environment
[05:02] <anto9us> s/buy/but
[05:03] <dcraven> anto9us: Hmm.. Well given that it will have an fdo applet, I'm not sure how portable it will be. It will most definately require GNOME libs.
[05:03] <merriam> dcraven: how would it compare with, for example, using a special profile in firefox and mediawiki?
[05:04] <occy> anyone here have a clue why my Ubuntu desktop would be locking up on me?  I had windows on this same machine and it didn't lock up on me ever.  (3 months of me having it on here as a test)
[05:04] <anto9us> dcraven: it's available for windows
[05:04] <occy> I've done memtest86+  on it... seems fine.
[05:04] <occy> I've tried: noacpi and nolacpi in grub boot options.
[05:05] <merriam> occy: does it lock up at any particular time?
[05:05] <dcraven> merriam: Well, the browser/editor would be much lighter and more specialized (edits in a gtk text editor instead of html forms etc). And apache wouldn't be required for starts.
[05:06] <occy> merriam: doesn't seem to.
[05:06] <occy> not at any particular time.
[05:06] <occy> AX4B-533 motherboard
[05:07] <dcraven> merriam: This would be as simple as adding Tomboy to your panel. You would instantly have a fullblown wiki capable of rendering any web-like content you wanted.
[05:08] <occy> http://usa.aopen.com/Products/mb/ax4b-533.htm
[05:08] <merriam> dcraven: sounds good -- I'd like a better tomboy or emacs-wiki.
[05:08] <occy> http://download.aopen.com.tw/Default.aspx?nothing=nothing&sDropDownCategory=BIOS&sDropDownModel=AX4B-533&Language=English&WebSite=US
[05:08] <dcraven> merriam: Yeah tomboy doesn't do it for me for some reason. Nice app though.
[05:08] <occy> R1.11 is what my bios is... the latest.
[05:09] <dcraven> merriam: and emacs-wiki... well.. emacs.
[05:09] <dcraven> ;P
[05:10] <merriam> emacs is very handy and fast.  It falls down for me on rendering.
[05:10] <merriam> occy: tried turning of sounds for events?
[05:11] <spiderworm2> how would i figure out what process is holding my soundcard hostage?
[05:16] <merriam> spiderworm: I don't know, but sound is tricky with ubuntu.  It tries to use esd...
[05:17] <spiderworm> merriam: im good now, somebody in ##linux told me how :)
[05:18] <merriam> ah
[05:18] <andrea> Hi guys!! i've just found the way to make work my MX900 bluetooth mouse with the integrated bluetooth interface of my laptop... but i have a problem!! i've to run 4 shell commands in order to start the mouse..
[05:18] <tanek> what dc clients are there for linux?
[05:18] <tanek> any stable ones?
[05:18] <merriam> spiderworm: what was the answer that worked?
[05:18] <andrea> there's a way of executing them automatically!?!
[05:20] <spiderworm> merriam: i found which process it was by typing: lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[05:20] <spiderworm> then killed it
[05:20] <andrea> is there.. sorry!!
[05:20] <andrea> someone can help me?!?
[05:20] <spiderworm> andrea yes
[05:20] <spiderworm> andrea: slow down
[05:22] <spiderworm> andrea: i cant recall the name of the file you need to add the lines too off the top of my head but give me a min
[05:24] <merriam> andrea: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto#head-c5a71baea7aff92e7709474cccb9497b62e2e74e
[05:24] <xe||> maybe you could write the commands into a shell script and put it in one of the rc-directories?
[05:24] <andrea> tnx a lots!!
[05:25] <spiderworm> thats what she'll have to do
[05:25] <Mr_Milenko> o.O
[05:26] <spiderworm> andrea: let us know if you have any questions about those instructions on that webpage merriam directed you to
[05:28] <dos000> i have an embedded promise & via raid controllers. however they dont get seen by the installer altho i set the bios as raid ! what do i have to do ?
[05:28] <merriam> spiderworm: (the answer) thanks.  Because of the various ways I use sound, including xmms and skype, I find a real sound card helps -- like a SB Live, rather than on-board.
[05:28] <dos000> the installer is hoary preview BTW.
[05:31] <andrea> i'll try now to reboot .. tnx a lot again!!
[05:36] <karljp> how do I set up keyboard shortcuts for things that aren't in the keyboard shortcuts prefs dialog?
[05:38] <merriam> karljp: for a lot more flexibility of that sort you could try sawfish instead of metacity, but it's more trouble
[05:38] <karljp> yeah, I'm used to fvwm
[05:38] <merriam> There may be a way to do it with metacity.  I don't know.
[05:39] <karljp> and that's fine when all I do is developement, but now using linux as an actual desktop, I don't feel like putting the time into fvwm configs today
[05:39] <dcraven> karljp: You can use the gconf-editor settings in /apps/metacity for that if you like. Look for "global_keybindings" and "keybinding_commands". You can define your own in there.
[05:39] <karljp> yeah, I saw those files, but couldn't work out how to add my own very well, they seemed to be special strings, but i'll have another look at them
[05:41] <dcraven> Adding those might get built into the "Keyboard Shortcuts" dealy in GNOME some day, but I wouldn't hold my breath :)
[05:42] <xe||> da_didi: wow, what was that?
[05:43] <prego> For some time, I cannot upgrade kdelibs-data (4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) since conflicts with knetworkconf. Am I the only one with this problem?
[05:43] <xe||> apt-get crashed kde!
[05:43] <xe||> prego: no :-)
[05:43] <xe||> prego: i found the solution yesterday, was a simple command...
[05:43] <xe||> but i don't remeber it
[05:43] <merriam> karljp: I see now.  Put a command in command_1, then something like <Ctrl><Shift>F1 in run_command_1
[05:44] <prego> So it is a know problem.
[05:44] <ThomasWinwood> http://www.ketsuban.net/images/stuff/Screenshot.png ;)
[05:44] <xe||> prego: jep, it's not hard to solve, i had to do something like dpkg -i --force
[05:44] <xe||> wait a min
[05:44] <da_didi> prego: se the topic of #kubuntu
[05:44] <da_didi> *see
[05:44] <jesper> Hi. Has anyone got CD's from shipit (hoary)?
[05:45] <Burgundavia> jesper, you will be contacted when they are ready to ship
[05:45] <xe||> prego: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:45] <prego> thanks ;-)
[05:46] <xe||> once in a while my apt-get will crash kde... any ideas why?
[05:46] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: She has furry boobs.
[05:46] <ThomasWinwood> dcraven: I know. :(
[05:46] <da_didi> xe||: happen how often?
[05:47] <xe||> da_didi: twice, yesterday and today, while installing audacity
[05:47] <xe||> yesterday i tried to install some id3-program
[05:47] <xe||> and today it happened with libid3tag0!?
[05:48] <jesper> Burgundavia: Oh, cool.
[05:49] <ben__> f
[05:50] <ben__> any ubuntu man out here?
[05:50] <ben__> (or woman?)
[05:51] <dos000> anyone familiar with raid in here ?
[05:51] <sdog> hmm.. strange .. I finally got Ubuntu up and running on my iMac .. however I missed 1 big big part .. the set your root password part ..
[05:52] <terje> ah, you don't need no stinkin root access.
[05:52] <ThomasWinwood> Use sudo.
[05:52] <terje> just sudo bash
[05:53] <ThomasWinwood> Is it just me, or does Firefox's copypaste only work while Firefox is active?
[05:53] <ben__> ben@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:53] <ben__> E: Konnte Lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht bekommen - open (11 Die Ressource ist zur Zeit nicht verfgbar)
[05:53] <ben__> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:54] <jon273> argh
[05:54] <ben__> whats wrong with this?
[05:54] <kwame> Hi
[05:54] <kwame> How do I install a .deb file?
[05:55] <jon273> where do I get the standard gcc headers from?
[05:55] <jon273> *header files
[05:55] <cipp3a> hi all
[05:55] <GatoLoko^> kwame sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[05:55] <cipp3a> c' qualche italiano on-line ?
[05:55] <kwame> GatoLoko^, thanks man
[05:56] <anto9us> ben__: do you have synaptic open?
[05:57] <ThomasWinwood> cipp3a: Please join #ubuntu-it for Italian support.
[05:57] <ben__> anto9us,^ dont think so, had it open.. but closed it before..
[05:57] <sig> whats the command to delete everything a package needed to add with it?
[05:58] <sig> I installed "gnome-commander" and it had tons of extra packages it installed with it... I want to delete it and the packages it added.
[05:59] <shmoolik> hello did some one here found aMule2 *deb ?
[05:59] <cipp3a> doin the italian channel there is none who can help me with kernel compiling + nvidia drivers
[05:59] <dos000> anyone configured raid on a asus k8v se deluxe ?
[05:59] <cipp3a> =)
[05:59] <sig> shmoolik: it's on ubuntuguide.org
[05:59] <jon273> Where are the standard gcc header files? In a seperate packages?
[05:59] <sig> the howto is at least
[05:59] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#amule
[06:00] <shmoolik> thanks sig
[06:00] <shmoolik> :) sig yeah but i m looking for the new version
[06:00] <sig> check the site it points to
[06:00] <sig> he may have it pointing at an older version
[06:01] <ben__> anto9us : synaptic did not show me any xmms stuff also..
[06:01] <anto9us> ben__: you may need to add repositories
[06:02] <anto9us> ben__: look here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:03] <ben__> anto9us : thanx... i'll look
[06:05] <Fish-Face> I was here before with a network card that wouldn't be activated on boot... It still won't be :P
[06:06] <Fish-Face> The Networking applet appears to fudge /etc/network/interfaces - it removes "auto wlan0"
[06:07] <ben__> anto9us : that was too easy! thanks, man!
[06:09] <aldug> is there a way with sudo to allow a user to run as command as another non-root user?
[06:09] <aldug> ie, 'bob' can run a command as 'dave'
[06:09] <wezzer> hey
[06:09] <wezzer> gnomebaker won't work
[06:09] <wezzer> it says that there is nothing mounted as /mount/cdrom0
[06:10] <wezzer> even though I have cd inside
[06:10] <zirpu> is the libapache2-mod-python2.4 package broke?  it seems to be missing the _apache module for 'import mod_python.apache'.
[06:12] <merriam> wezzer: a blank cd?
[06:13] <merriam> aldug: see -u
[06:13] <ztonzy> delire, :)
[06:13] <aldug> merriam: I'm trying to figure out hte syntax for adding it to /etc/sudoers
[06:14] <wezzer> merriam: nope
[06:15] <wezzer> CD-RW
[06:15] <ben__> is there a german channel?
[06:16] <da_didi> #ubuntu-de
[06:16] <ben__> i tried #ubuntu_de and felt so lonely ... lol
[06:16] <tritium> ben__, #ubuntu-de (no underscore)
[06:20] <klaym> how can I make firefox not to prompt for cookies every time?
[06:20] <drspin> has there been any resolution to the *random* screen freezes with the Hoary Nvidia driver and firefox??
[06:20] <sig> in preferences probably
[06:20] <Fish-Face> I was here before with a network card that wouldn't be activated on boot... It still won't be :P
[06:20] <Fish-Face> The Networking applet appears to fudge /etc/network/interfaces - it removes "auto wlan0"
[06:21] <sig> drspin: I don't have any of those problems
[06:22] <drspin> sig: Since I upgraed to Hoary I get random lockups screen freezes while using firefox -- music still plays... xorg CPU usage spikes... It's almost as though the screen just freezes -- everything else works... mouse can move
[06:22] <drspin> brb - removing renderaccel line from xorg
[06:23] <tritium> Fish-Face, that line gets removed from the file?
[06:23] <Fish-Face> tritium, yes.
[06:23] <sig> how do people expect to get help when they ask questions and then just leave?
[06:24] <srn> i experience the exact same thing as drspin .. system locks up random or whenever i want to use 3d-accel apps .. i am unable to use any input device and cpu usage for xorg goes to 99%
[06:24] <universal> shall i run "nv" or Nvidia when using the repositories?
[06:24] <tritium> Fish-Face, that sounds fishy...
[06:24] <sig> srn: did you do a dist-upgrade from warty to Hoary?
[06:25] <Fish-Face> There's also something that may be connected: In the networking applet, whenever I select the "Ubuntu" location (the one I created) i am informed that the device is inactive
[06:25] <srn> no i did a clean install
[06:25] <srn> of hoary
[06:25] <srn> it happens when i use fglrx drivers
[06:25] <sig> odd
[06:26] <universal> shall i run "nv" or "nvidia" module when using the repositorie?
[06:26] <sig> I'm not having that issue with mine
[06:26] <srn> indeed
[06:26] <srn> found a large forum topic about people experiencing the same thing
[06:26] <universal> can sosmbody help?
[06:26] <sig> what nvidia card do you have?
[06:26] <srn> i'm also experiencing something else weird .. when booting the kernel usb power suddently shuts off and usb is disabled after that ..
[06:27] <sig> I have the Ti4800
[06:27] <srn> it's not nvidia :D
[06:27] <merriam> wezzer-: solved?
[06:27] <sig> but I'm not using fglrx driver
[06:27] <universal> sig,  i have a ge-force 6800 gt
[06:27] <sig> I'm using "nvidia"
[06:27] <sig> but on this laptop I have an ati
[06:27] <srn> mines an ati radeon mobility 9000/9100 .. but both nvidia and ati users are reported to have this problem
[06:27] <sig> My Linux Info: Screen: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon IGP 340M
[06:27] <sig> thats the card I have
[06:27] <sig> odd
[06:27] <sig> I have no problems
[06:28] <sig> I'm using the "ati" driver
[06:28] <universal> but arent u going to run the nvidia module driver when using the www.nvidia.com driver?
[06:28] <srn> i've no problems with that either, other than not having 3d-accelaration
[06:28] <universal> "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[06:29] <sig> I have 3d accell with the "ati" driver
[06:29] <srn> universal, yes
[06:29] <sig> joe@Laptop:~$ glxinfo
[06:29] <sig> name of display: :0.0
[06:29] <sig> display: :0  screen: 0
[06:29] <sig> direct rendering: Yes
[06:29] <universal> srn, so when using the repositories, i have to use "nv"?
[06:29] <tritium> universal, no, not if you're using the binary nvidia drivers
[06:29] <srn> sig, try glxgears .. your fps will be very low
[06:30] <sig> universal: ubuntuguide.org has the howto for the nvidia driver installation
[06:30] <srn> universal, no nvidia
[06:30] <universal> ok
[06:30] <sig> follow it, my machine with the ti4800 works flawlessly with them installed
[06:30] <sig> srn: no it's not slow
[06:30] <InitMass> what's the url for that help/guides for ubuntu?
[06:30] <merriam> aldug: found it?
[06:30] <srn> sig, the opensource mesa whatever standard ati driver is slower than the official fglrx driver
[06:30] <tritium> universal, have you followed this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> www.ubuntu.com/wiki <-- initmass
[06:31] <Fish-Face> tritium, so... fishy... Any other things to say? :)
[06:31] <merriam> aldug:    bob ALL=(dave) ALL
[06:32] <InitMass> Burgundavia, but i remember there was a site which listed common questions such as installing java
[06:32] <sig> joe@idahopc:~ $ glxgears
[06:32] <sig> 22656 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4531.200 FPS
[06:32] <sig> 24677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4935.400 FPS
[06:32] <sig> this is not slow
[06:32] <srn> sig your not using "ati" in your xorg/xf86config then?
[06:33] <tritium> Fish-Face, it sounds like using a location is what's messing you up.  It probably doesn't delete the "auto wlan0" line.  It's just probably not using the location you setup by default.
[06:33] <sig> um yes I am
[06:33] <srn> ..
[06:33] <sig> you want proof?
[06:33] <Burgundavia> InitMass, there is ubuntuguide.org, but I don't recommend it
[06:33] <srn> doesn't sound realistic
[06:33] <Fish-Face> tritium, when I check in /etc/network/interfaces the line disappears :)
[06:33] <sig> Burgundavia: why don't you recommend ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:34] <InitMass> Burgundavia, why not?
[06:34] <Burgundavia> sig, it has some very crack-like stuff
[06:34] <tritium> InitMass, for java, use java-package to build your own .deb from sun's installer.  See Method 3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:34] <wezzer-> merriam: yes
[06:34] <sig> Burgundavia: like?
[06:34] <karljp> anyone know why screenshot locks everything?  I can't do anything but move the mouse until it finally comes up with the saveas dialog
[06:34] <deez_> someone tell me how to draw a freaking straight line in the Gimp
[06:34] <deez_> or a rectangle
[06:34] <Burgundavia> sig, what repos to add, etc.
[06:34] <Burgundavia> sig, lots of little things
[06:35] <sig> yeah
[06:35] <karljp> but it's on the web! iit must be true!
[06:35] <Fish-Face> tritium, so... what's with these location things, and where is their config kept?
[06:35] <sig> but he does have you install crack-like stuff to /opt/ which is safe
[06:35] <deez_> anyone know how to draw a basic straight line in the Gimp
[06:35] <klaym> how can I disable firefox's neverending prompting of cookies?
[06:35] <sig> also I would never use marillat's shit repo's
[06:35] <sig> but other than that it's good
[06:35] <sig> :)
[06:35] <klaym> I can't find an option in firefox to set it not to ask everytime for cookies
[06:35] <karljp> deez: that's a fairly trolllike question
[06:36] <deez_> how so
[06:36] <karljp> but have you tried holding down shift, or alt or ctrl when trying to draw?
[06:36] <deez_> i mean
[06:36] <tritium> Fish-Face, locations are really for laptops that are used in different networks.  e.g. home, work
[06:36] <deez_> yes
[06:36] <karljp> deez: it usent be possible
[06:36] <sig> deez_: #gimp
[06:36] <deez_> well troll deeznuts
[06:36] <camcorder> why ubuntu firefox build does not have DOM browser?
[06:36] <Fish-Face> tritium, I see, so I can just delete it?
[06:36] <sig> LMAO
[06:37] <tritium> sig, marillat repos aren't bad, in fact nearly every user of a debian-based distro use his repos.  It's several other things with ubuntuguide that could be improved
[06:37] <sig> tritium: I wouldn't use his shit
[06:37] <sig> mplayer for example
[06:37] <tritium> Fish-Face, do you use it in multiple locations?  (as a sidenote, I don't use locations.  Nor do I use the gui thing to configure networking)
[06:37] <sig> just go ask about him to #mplayer dev's
[06:38] <Fish-Face> tritium, well, no... It's a desktop PC :)
[06:38] <sig> your better off to build manually than use his broken mplayer package
[06:38] <tritium> my better what?
[06:39] <sig> if your going to use a package you might as well get the package to work 100% instead of using his which half the things don't work
[06:39] <merriam> karljp: screenshot doesn't do that here.
[06:39] <sig> tritium: if you like mplayer follow this guide: http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer/
[06:39] <karljp> hooray for consistency, thanks merriam
[06:39] <sig> ok bbiab guys
[06:39] <tritium> sig, I don't use mplayer, thanks, though
[06:39] <sig> coffee break
[06:40] <karljp> I just get the hourglass equivalent until the save dialog comes up
[06:40] <karljp> I can move the cursor, but I can't even change focus to another window
[06:40] <karljp> and the keyboard is ded
[06:40] <zbowling> the xfce packages )devel and core) are failing MD5 checks on a bunch of machines
[06:41] <sig> tritium: if you did here is a fun little thing to do with a vid clip: to view it in code/color do: mplayer -vo caca name.avi  and to view it in code/no-color do: mplayer -vo aa name.avi
[06:41] <sig> kind of neat and fun
[06:41] <sig> :P
[06:41] <dell500> i'm having some problems with my resolution showing up in x (says i need RANR?)
[06:41] <sig> with color/code you can actually see the images
[06:42] <tritium> ok
[06:43] <tritium> Fish-Face, take a look at my interfaces files, and let me know if you have any questions.
[06:44] <Scorpinf> i dont get any sound with my SB audigy 2 card. i installed the latest version of ubuntu
[06:46] <benja> what P2P software works nice with Hoart ?
[06:46] <sig> Limwire
[06:46] <sig> aMule
[06:46] <sig> those two I know of
[06:46] <ThomasWinwood> BitTorrent
[06:46] <Scorpinf> how do i mount ntfs ?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> bittorrent is ootb
[06:47] <mrtoth> Hi! Please help me! I am using pppoe over a DSL connection, and my MTU is 1492. I changed it in /etc/ppp/options and in peers/... to 1412, but after connectig ifconfig says, it is still 1492. What can I do?
[06:47] <benja> something like limewire im looking for
[06:48] <guupsta> Scorpinf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=ntfs
[06:48] <Scorpinf> ok tnx
[06:48] <Xptical> Is anyone in here using ubuntu as a LAMP server?
[06:48] <guupsta> np
[06:48] <orhs> hello. how do i install a file?? i have exected tar xzvf <filename> on the file and the unpacked dir came up.. what do i do now??
[06:48] <usynic> Xptical: sure
[06:49] <usynic> orhs: you should be using apt.
[06:49] <Xptical> right now, I'm using debian unstable...why should I consider ubuntu over debian
[06:49] <sig> orhs: what package is it?
[06:49] <usynic> Xptical: you probably shouldn't... ubuntu is more for a desktop
[06:49] <Xptical> that's what I thought
[06:49] <orhs> sig, its a .tar.bz
[06:50] <sig> whats the package name
[06:50] <orhs> sig, i got some tar.bz2 file too
[06:50] <Xptical> i just wanted to see if anyone had actually tried it
[06:50] <Burgundavia> orhs, which program is it?
[06:50] <sig> dude WHAT IS THE PACKAGE NAME
[06:50] <orhs> tbz abd tgz
[06:50] <Burgundavia> orhs, say again?
[06:50] <sig> dude Name.tar.gz
[06:51] <orhs> rkhunter-1.2.4.tar.bz
[06:51] <sig> what is the Nam of the package name
[06:51] <sig> ok
[06:51] <sig> what is the package?
[06:51] <sig> what is rkhunter exactly?
[06:51] <orhs> sig, its a rootkit hunter
[06:51] <sig> oh jeez
[06:52] <dell500> can someone help me with my resolution problem??
[06:52] <mrtoth> I am using pppoe over a DSL connection, and my MTU is 1492. I changed it in /etc/ppp/options and in peers/... to 1412, but after connectig ifconfig says, it is still 1492. What can I do?
[06:52] <sig> do this orhs instead of installing that
[06:52] <sig> joe@Laptop:~$ apt-cache search root kit
[06:52] <sig> chkrootkit - Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system
[06:52] <orhs> sig, all i need to know is how to install .tar.bz(2) programs
[06:53] <Burgundavia> orhs, Ubuntu uses a package managment system called apt
[06:53] <orhs> sig, i need to know that to be able to install ndis
[06:53] <sig> orhs: once you have it extracted to a folder... cd foldername/ &  ./configure & make & make install
[06:53] <Burgundavia> orhs, it is advisable to use that
[06:54] <orhs> Burgundavia, can you tell me some more about what apt do??
[06:54] <skraggy> orhs, cd into the extracted directory and run ./installer.sh
[06:54] <orhs> skraggy, tnx
[06:54] <Burgundavia> orhs, apt allows you to install and remove software from your system easily
[06:54] <Burgundavia> orhs, thus you need system-->admin-->synaptic
[06:54] <Burgundavia> orhs, search in there for a rootkit hunter
[06:54] <sig> orhs: just use that chkrootkit in apt repo's
[06:55] <sig> sudo apt-get install chkrootkit
[06:55] <sig> that's it
[06:55] <sig> and it will be installed
[06:55] <orhs> Burgundavia, so all i do is su then apt <filename> ??
[06:55] <skraggy> you may also want to review http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_faq.html before using it.
[06:55] <Burgundavia> orhs, synaptic is a gui frontend to apt-get
[06:55] <Burgundavia> orhs, open it up and take a look
[06:56] <orhs> Burgundavia, thank you :)
[06:56] <Burgundavia> orhs, np
[06:56] <Burgundavia> orhs, it is not recommended you install random, non-deb stuff
[06:57] <Burgundavia> makes it difficult to keep track of and remove
[06:57] <sig> 10. RK17; <-- chkrootkit checks those orhs
[06:57] <sig> get this tool
[06:57] <sig> it is better than that rkhunter
[06:57] <sig> it checks lots of kits
[06:58] <saik0> greetings
[06:58] <Merlin615> hi
[06:58] <sig> yo
[07:00] <orhs> Burgundavia, i cant seem to find the programs that i have downloaded
[07:00] <Burgundavia> orhs, it should be there
[07:00] <Burgundavia> orhs, right click on the package and it will list the package contents
[07:00] <sig> Burgundavia: he's looking for that rkhunter
[07:00] <Burgundavia> orhs, look for a file in /usr/bin
[07:00] <sig> it isn't in the repo's
[07:01] <sig> the only rootkit is the one I pasted
[07:01] <orhs> Burgundavia, does the folder need to be unpacked?
[07:01] <tritium> sig, chkrootkit is in main
[07:02] <sig> tritium: and?
[07:02] <tritium> it is in the repos...
[07:02] <sig> thats what I said ^^^^^^
[07:02] <sig> he is looking for "rkhunter"
[07:02] <sig> tritium: read up
[07:02] <tritium> I see
[07:02] <sig> I recommended chkrootkit to him
[07:03] <sig> I'm tired of the rain here
[07:04] <saik0> is there a linux tool for graphically viewing and editing DBase MDB files?
[07:04] <orhs> i dont understand this...
[07:05] <tritium> orhs, what?
[07:05] <tanek> my sound suddenly stopped working, says cannot open pipe
[07:05] <tanek> any suggestions?
[07:05] <diegows> hi
[07:06] <orhs> tritium, iam asking how to install programs and then the focus is set on a rootkit that i just typed as an exaple...
[07:06] <tanek> xmms "can't open audio"
[07:06] <tanek> :/
[07:06] <tanek> worked yesterday
[07:07] <no0tic> there's a way to use 2.6.11..something kernel onto hoary?
[07:07] <tritium> orhs, Burgundavia told you how to install from synaptic.  Are you wanting to try intsalling from the command-line, or what?
[07:07] <tritium> no0tic, it's not supported, as we've told you
[07:07] <no0tic> what option must I enable to get it working?
[07:07] <tritium> You can use it, but there are no linux-restricted-modules, for one thing
[07:07] <solomarv> no0tic: i think there're only sources
[07:08] <anto9us> saik0: there's a tool for editing viewing and editing mdb files and I think most things support dbase
[07:08] <tritium> no0tic, so if you need, say nvidia binary drivers, you'll have to build them yourself
[07:08] <no0tic> tritium: np
[07:08] <orhs> tritium, i cant find the programs that i have downloaded there
[07:08] <no0tic> tritium: well,sorry for the repetition :)
[07:08] <tritium> orhs, did you install it?
[07:09] <orhs> tritium, i cant install something when i dont know how
[07:10] <tritium> orhs, Burgundavia told you how.  You didn't follow his advice?  Again, I ask, how do you want to install?  Command-line?  synaptic?
[07:11] <orhs> tritium, synaptic
[07:12] <tritium> orhs, click the box to the left of the package name and select "Mark for Installation".  Same can be done with right-clicking the package line
[07:14] <sig> tritium: he wants to install the rkunter.blah.tar.gz he downloaded after I told him it wasn't in the apt repo's
[07:14] <sig> he can't find the package in synaptic
[07:14] <yogui_> hi !
[07:14] <sig> once again I have told him the only rootkit in the repo's is chkrootkit
[07:14] <hunterxaz|afk> how do you list a process from the terminal? have a frozen browser im trying to kill but cant find PID
[07:14] <orhs> tritium, the thing is that i dont see the package name to the program iam trying to install via synaptic
[07:14] <sig> but he doesn't seem to want to listen to me
[07:14] <yogui_> i've a problem : mysql is installed two times on my system. How to delete one ?
[07:15] <saik0> aha, it's JET not dBASE
[07:15] <sig> orhs: dude I told you rkhunter isn't in the repositories..... it won't show up if it isn't there
[07:15] <tritium> orhs, sig has explained that rkhunter is not available in the repositories
[07:15] <sig> the rootkit that is there is "chkrootkit"
[07:15] <tritium> orhs, it would have been nice if you had told me you were trying to install a package that is NOT in the repositories
[07:15] <sig> you'll have to install that if you want to install a root kit
[07:16] <sig> chkrootkit is better than rkhunter anyways because it looks for more than rkhunter
[07:16] <sig> apt-get install chkrootkit
[07:16] <sig> that simple
[07:16] <orhs> tritium, sorry iam very new to the linux enviroment...
[07:16] <sig> orhs: are you reading what I have been typing?
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i lock my sms inbox ? i dont want anyone reading me personal sms msgs...
[07:17] <tritium> orhs, then you probably shouldn't try intsalling rkhunter from a .tar.gz
[07:17] <gabi_> da_bon_bon, your what? :)
[07:17] <tritium> orhs, aptitude install chkrootkit
[07:17] <orhs> sig, i am now :P
[07:17] <tanek> SMS = short messaging service
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> gabi_: sms inbox on a cel phone :(
[07:18] <tanek> textmessages in cell phone
[07:18] <gabi_> tanek, thanks I know that
[07:18] <orhs> tritium, its not just chkrootkit it is also ndiswrapper and other programs like nmap
[07:18] <gabi_> just didnt get what sms has to do with ubuntu
[07:18] <hunterxaz|afk> cool, xkill is handy
[07:18] <sig> orhs: open a terminal
[07:18] <sig> sudo -s
[07:18] <Echylo> are you still busy about that rootkit :
[07:18] <sig> then do: apt-get install chkrootkit
[07:18] <sig> and boom! it will install
[07:18] <orhs> sig, ok
[07:18] <gabi_> da_bon_bon, you have ubuntu on your cell? :)
[07:19] <tritium> orhs, you can use synaptic, aptitude, or apt-get to install those
[07:19] <sig> apt-cache search ndiswrapper
[07:19] <sig> ndiswrapper-utils - Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper
[07:19] <sig> ndiswrapper-source - Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module
[07:19] <sig> orhs: apt is your friend
[07:19] <sig> you need to do some reading on it
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> gabi_: ya. trying to install :D
[07:19] <gabi_> da_bon_bon, no shit? what phone
[07:20] <hunterxaz|afk> pretty good article about that new google web accelerator, http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2858
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> gabi_: 6610i
[07:20] <gabi_> da_bon_bon, cool
[07:23] <orhs> sig, iam just getting errors when doing apt-get install
[07:23] <gabi_> orhs, like what
[07:24] <tritium> orhs, what command did you use?
[07:24] <gabi_> orhs, and "apt-get update" first
[07:24] <orhs> tritium, first sudo -s to gain root then apt-get install
[07:24] <tritium> orhs, you have to supply a package name, e.g., apt-get install chkrootkit
[07:25] <gabi_> use synaptic :)
[07:25] <orhs> tritium, i did apt-get install nmap-3.81.tgz
[07:25] <gabi_> orhs, no .tgz
[07:25] <gabi_> just nmap
[07:25] <Edgan> hunterxaz|afk: the article seems alarmist
[07:26] <tritium> orhs, no, don't try to intsall .tgz files, as I mentioned above.  Install package from the repositories.
[07:26] <tritium> orhs, "apt-cache search nmap" reveals that there's a package called "nmap" in the repositories.
[07:27] <tritium> orhs, that's what you want to install
[07:27] <sig> Edgan: good article though
[07:27] <Lantus> hi there
[07:28] <Lantus> is there anyone who speaks in Lithuania?
[07:28] <orhs> tritium, i did that... still not finding nmap
[07:28] <yogui_> where is the php.ini file ?
[07:28] <Edgan> sig: Interesting, maybe, but I wouldn't call it good unless he provides some proof to back up what he said
[07:28] <gabi_> yogui, /etc
[07:28] <tritium> orhs, did you first do "apt-get update", as gabi_ told you?
[07:29] <yogui_> thank
[07:29] <gabi_> yogui, I think :)
[07:29] <gabi_> orhs, what error do you get
[07:29] <yogui_> gabi: i don't see it here
[07:30] <orhs> gabi_, ill check
[07:30] <karljp> anyone know why xchat is using a different font in the text entry box to the main channel window?
[07:31] <yogui_> gabi : ok it's all right /etc/php4/apache ;-)
[07:31] <gabi_> yogui, sorry then, if I recall correctly it should be there, no php on this box
[07:31] <orhs> gabi_, oot@orhs:~/programs# apt-get update
[07:31] <orhs> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:31] <orhs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:31] <gabi_> yogui, ah ok :)
[07:31] <gabi_> orhs, ok are you root?
[07:31] <hunterxaz|afk> try with sudo
[07:31] <hunterxaz|afk> sudo apt-get update
[07:31] <gabi_> or do you have aptitude or synaptic running?
[07:32] <orhs> gabi_, yes i did sudo -s
[07:32] <skraggy> karljp, I think text entry box uses system font settings
[07:32] <orhs> gabi_, the funny thing is that i cant get root with the su command :P
[07:32] <gabi_> dunno what that does. I use su
[07:32] <gabi_> orhs, thats okay in ubuntu
[07:32] <orhs> try it
[07:32] <Burgundavia> orhs, did you read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[07:32] <gabi_> they dont want you to do so
[07:32] <thegreedyturtle> orhs does root have a password set yet?
[07:33] <spiral> hi
[07:33] <orhs> thegreedyturtle yes i got root with the sudo -s command
[07:33] <gabi_> orhs, "sudo apt-get..."
[07:33] <gabi_> orhs, no need for a root shell
[07:33] <spiral> hmmm, why isn't clamav updated in hoary sec-updates ?
[07:33] <Echylo> lool
[07:33] <thegreedyturtle> but you can't su to it with su root
[07:33] <tritium> orhs, root account is disabled on ubuntu by default: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:33] <Echylo> still the orhs problem :D
[07:33] <Echylo> sorry :)
[07:33] <orhs> gabi_, tnx
[07:33] <orhs> lol
[07:33] <orhs> np
[07:34] <Echylo> but it was funny so see
[07:34] <thegreedyturtle> if you do a sudo passwd root, you can make a password on root and su to it, but at first root has no password and hence won't let anyone login
[07:34] <Echylo> they were still talking about it
[07:34] <thegreedyturtle> you can take the password off again with sudo passwd -l root
[07:34] <gabi_> but what the hell do you need a root pwd for if you cant use it anyway
[07:34] <orhs> gabi_, but i get errors all the time when doing apt-get update
[07:34] <gabi_> just use sudo thats what its for
[07:34] <gabi_> orhs, what errors:)
[07:34] <thegreedyturtle> you gotta do a sudo apt-get update maybe?
[07:34] <tritium> just use sudo instead
[07:35] <thegreedyturtle> if you have locking problems
[07:35] <tritium> orhs, close syaptic before trying to apt-get install anything
[07:35] <tritium> synaptic
[07:35] <gabi_> told him already :)
[07:36] <spiral> anyone knows for clamav ?
[07:36] <tritium> well, he's still having the locking problem ;)
[07:36] <gabi_> orhs, reboot please to make sure you have no forgotten apt instance running .)
[07:36] <orhs> well now the apt-get update worked
[07:36] <tritium> gabi_, ?
[07:37] <gabi_> tritium, he must have synaptic aptitude apt-get or another shit running and he doesnt know
[07:37] <tritium> gabi_, yes, of course
[07:37] <orhs> gabi_, it is working now
[07:37] <gabi_> :)
[07:37] <gabi_> linux afreid of rebooting..
[07:37] <orhs> gabi_, i got the command executed without any errors
[07:38] <gabi_> ..thats so windowsish
[07:38] <gabi_> yeeehaaw
[07:38] <orhs> it worked with apt-get update now
[07:38] <dell500> anyone know how to chang the resolution after installing fglrx drivers for ATI??
[07:39] <tritium> dell500, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:39] <nevyn> hrm kexi.. word.
[07:39] <ignis> Hi, I installed linux-image-2.6.11-1-686 but how can I got about getting a nvidia-glx module for it? I've noticed that there is a linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 package.. Is sticking with 2.6.10 my best bet for now or can I use nvidia-kernel-source somehow?
[07:39] <orhs> hmm now i got the error: root@orhs:~/programs# apt-get nmap-3.81.tar.bz2
[07:39] <orhs> E: Invalid operation nmap-3.81.tar.bz2
[07:39] <orhs> root@orhs:~/programs#
[07:39] <Sauron21> hi....could anyone tell me why I dont have text on any of my buttons in empire earth 2?
[07:39] <tritium> ignis, there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11 -- it's unsupported!
[07:40] <Sauron21> I know this might not be the best place to ask....but no answer at #cedega og #winehq
[07:40] <tritium> orhs, we have already told you that you can't install .tar.bz2 files with apt
[07:40] <gabi_> orhs, "apt-get install nmap"
[07:40] <orhs> gabi_, ok
[07:40] <tritium> orhs, that's exactly what I already told you to do
[07:40] <ignis> tritium: is it not possible to build the nvidia module without configuring and building the entire kernel?
[07:41] <karljp> yech, choosing a nonmonospaced font for the terminal has seriously borken it.
[07:41] <gabi_> orhs, I would use synaptic
[07:41] <orhs> gabi_, the thing is that i cant find the programs there :S
[07:42] <tritium> ignis, yes, with the linux-headers, you can build it.  Why use 2.6.11?  It's not supported
[07:42] <tritium> orhs, synaptic has a search tool
[07:42] <gabi_> orhs, easy :)
[07:42] <dreamwave> hi.  where do i point the package manager to update my ubuntu hoary to the latest snapshot?
[07:43] <tritium> dreamwave, hoary was released.  There are no snapshots.  Just an occasional security update.
[07:43] <orhs> gabi_, can you then tell me why i dont find nmap when i search on it?
[07:44] <karljp> This package contains a version of vim compiled with support for GNOME2 gui vs This package contains a version of vim compiled with support for GTK2 gui
[07:44] <ignis> tritium: i'm just wondering out of interest more than anything
[07:44] <karljp> I thought gnome was gtk2?
[07:44] <karljp> what's the difference?
[07:44] <dreamwave> tritium: oh.  where are package versions listed at distrowatch from?
[07:44] <Absenth> afternoon all.
[07:44] <tritium> gnome2 vs. gtk2
[07:44] <gabi_> orhs, does apt install it?
[07:44] <gabi_> gtg, bye
[07:44] <tritium> dreamwave, I'm not sure what you're referring to
[07:45] <Kira> Hello all. Question about upgrading: Can I upgrade my Warty installation to Hoary using the Hoary installation CD?
[07:45] <tritium> Kira, yes
[07:45] <orhs> gabi_, it does ok utill it says that i cant find it...
[07:45] <karljp> tritium: well, I know it says that, but like I said, I thought gnome2 _was_ gtk2
[07:45] <karljp> I wasn't aware they were different.
[07:45] <tritium> karljp, no, it uses gtk2
[07:45] <karljp> and what are they different in?
[07:46] <karljp> what is the advantage to picking one over the other?
[07:46] <tritium> one has gnome-integration, it would appear
[07:46] <dreamwave> tritium: distrowatch keeps track of the package versions of each release.  for ubuntu, it tracks warty, hoary, and snapshot.  for example.  it says that gimp is at 2.2.6 in snapshot while hoary has gimp v. 2.2.2.
[07:46] <Absenth> Hmmm....  "couldn't find package life"
[07:46] <Kira> tritium: How do I do that? Any tutorial page?
[07:46] <WeirdAl> What's the default sound device likely to be?
[07:46] <WeirdAl> I have the error "cannot open device /dev/dsp (No such file or directory)"
[07:47] <WeirdAl> I get the same with /dev/audio
[07:47] <tritium> Kira, you should be able to insert the CD, and it should auto-mount and ask you if you want to upgrade from it
[07:47] <WeirdAl> this is for ALSA
[07:47] <Kira> tritium: That sound really sweet. :)
[07:47] <tritium> Kira, from an install cd, not a livecd
[07:48] <orhs> root@orhs:~/programs# apt-get install nmap-3.81
[07:48] <orhs> Reading package lists... Done
[07:48] <orhs> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:48] <orhs> E: Couldn't find package nmap-3.81
[07:48] <orhs> root@orhs:~/programs#
[07:48] <Kira> Yes, I have the install cd right next to me.
[07:48] <sig> orhs: dude
[07:48] <sig> leave off the -3.81
[07:48] <tritium> orhs, the package name is "nmap", remember?
[07:48] <sig> just: apt-get install nmap
[07:48] <sig> thats it
[07:49] <glen_> hey guys
[07:49] <glen_> i just installed ubuntu
[07:49] <orhs> sig, root@orhs:~/programs# apt-get install nmap
[07:49] <orhs> Reading package lists... Done
[07:49] <orhs> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:49] <orhs> E: Couldn't find package nmap
[07:49] <orhs> root@orhs:~/programs#
[07:49] <glen_> but it never asked me for a root password
[07:49] <yonil> Is there another program to view pdfs besides Xpdf ???
[07:49] <glen_> anyone know what the default is
[07:49] <WeirdAl> orhs, sudo
[07:49] <tekkah> off topic: but does anyone know of a *nix distro you can install on a RaQ3 box?
[07:49] <tritium> glen_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:49] <Burgundavia> yonil, evince
[07:49] <sig> sudo -s
[07:49] <yonil> since Xpdf prints too large the document, and it get choped
[07:49] <WeirdAl> sudo apt-get install etc
[07:49] <sig> then: apt-get install nmap
[07:50] <sig> orhs: open a new terminal, then type: sudo -s  : then do: apt-get install nmap
[07:50] <keon> after installing, is it possible to call up the installer's partitioning tool again?
[07:50] <orhs> sig, root@orhs:~/programs# sudo -s
[07:50] <orhs> root@orhs:~/programs# apt-get install nmap
[07:50] <orhs> Reading package lists... Done
[07:50] <orhs> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:50] <orhs> E: Couldn't find package nmap
[07:50] <orhs> root@orhs:~/programs#
[07:50] <keon> or do i have to use cfdisk or similar?
[07:50] <tritium> orhs, please stop pasting
[07:50] <WeirdAl> orhs, nmap is plainly not a package.
[07:50] <Absenth> orhs: did you add universe, and multiverse to /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:50] <tritium> WeirdAl, it is
[07:50] <sig> orhs: open a new damn terminal
[07:51] <sig> not the one your in
[07:51] <WeirdAl> Well it's not in his repos.
[07:51] <sig> quit being stupid
[07:51] <tritium> nmap is in main
[07:51] <sig> root@orhs:~/programs# sudo -s
[07:51] <tritium> sig, take it easy please
[07:51] <aldug> merriam: what does that first ALL mean?
[07:51] <sig> tritium: for poop sake how long have we spoon fed him
[07:51] <sig> RTFM
[07:52] <tritium> sig, we have a code of conduct
[07:52] <WeirdAl> orhs, put your /etc/apt/sources.list into pastebin
[07:52] <tritium> WeirdAl, nmap is in main
[07:52] <sig> tritium: thats why I'm done helping him
[07:52] <WeirdAl> Yes, you said, so it appears he's not even got that. Otherwise it would be able to find it.
[07:52] <sig> karljp: lol
[07:53] <hac> What is the best download manager:Curl or Prozilla?
[07:53] <tritium> karljp, but you're here, and it's how we operate here
[07:53] <WeirdAl> easy now
[07:53] <karljp> sig: don't help the morons, just poke them enough to make them learn
[07:53] <karljp> you don't need to spoon feed anyone.
[07:53] <sig> heh
[07:53] <karljp> only a dedicated troll will continue in the face of silence
[07:54] <sig> orhs: go to http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:54] <karljp> so let someone else help orhs if they wish.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> karljp, please remember of the Ubuntu code of conduct
[07:54] <sig> read that page and then come back if you can't figure out stuff
[07:54] <Efwis_> I got a problem, just installed hoary Hedgehog, and now the only sound I am getting is the drumbeat in an infinate loop, any ideas?
[07:54] <karljp> burgundavia: please remember the karl code of conduct.  I believe you need to adhere to it by talking to me :)
[07:54] <orhs> tnx guys for takeing the time to help me :P
[07:55] <tritium> karljp, don't...
[07:55] <karljp> can people please just let me try and make sig happy again without lecturing me in the meantime?
[07:55] <karljp> I'd just like to see sig help when he can, and when he'd like to, instead of trying to help everyone, even people that may irritate hiim
[07:56] <sarom> is ubuntu african or australian?
[07:56] <tritium> not if you call anybody a moron, no
[07:56] <sarom> :)
[07:56] <ThomasWinwood> sarom: Ubuntu is an African word.
[07:56] <karljp> I didn't call anyone a moron specifically.
[07:56] <tritium> you implied
[07:56] <sarom> why do  I keep hearing about associations with ubuntu and australia?
[07:56] <karljp> sarom: you may have heard about a recent event called Ubuntu Down Under
[07:57] <karljp> but that was just a conference type deal.
[07:57] <mmichelli> hello, can someone please tell me how to run a bin file (the netbeans install file) and anything i should know before i install netbeans? please
[07:57] <sig>  ./nameof.bin
[07:58] <sig> errrr
[07:58] <tritium> mmichelli, for one thing, once you install it, it won't be under the control of the package-management system (apt)
[07:58] <mmichelli> ./nameof.bin says access denied
[07:58] <sig> chmod +x name.bin
[07:58] <sig> then do: ./name.bin
[07:58] <mmichelli> sig: thanks
[07:58] <sarom> when did the kde security update come out?
[07:58] <sarom> I just checked with the ubuntu update manager
[07:58] <mmichelli> is there a package, i should use instead
[07:58] <karljp> ah the joys of giving people what they want, vs telling them what they might wish they had heard
[07:58] <sarom> and there was nothing about it
[07:59] <tritium> mmichelli, no, there's not
[07:59] <Mr_Milenko> i can still have KDE installed frin without using Kubuntu right?
[07:59] <sarom> Milenko, yes
[07:59] <mmichelli> ok thanks all
[07:59] <sarom> Milenko, that's what I did
[07:59] <tritium> Mr_Milenko, you can install it
[07:59] <glen_> ok another question
[07:59] <sarom> Milenko, I had ubuntu 5.04
[07:59] <sarom> then installed the kde package
[07:59] <Mr_Milenko> alright.. i was sketchy cause i saw Kubunt-Desktop and stuff
[07:59] <glen_> how do i get my ntfs drive to mount at boot time
[07:59] <glen_> anyone?
[07:59] <Mr_Milenko> NTFS mounting.. bah
[07:59] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[08:00] <ivoks> glen_ man fstab
[08:00] <segphault> I'm trying to make sawfish my default window manager, but I'm not having much luck. I replaced the right key value in gconf-editor but gnome still starts with metacity. Any suggestions?
[08:00] <karljp> please: we have a code of conduct here milenko, no ridiculing of others wants or needs
[08:00] <tritium> glen_, see ubuntuguide.org
[08:00] <saik0> glen_ http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:00] <drspin> Anyone know of any good Video Editing for DVD content for linux??
[08:00] <glen_> ok thanks guys
[08:00] <Mr_Milenko> yeah drspin: its called windows or Mac OSX
[08:00] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[08:00] <tritium> drspin, have you tried kino?
[08:00] <mmichelli> does ubuntu have  JVM ?
[08:01] <drspin> tritium: kino -- I'll look at it :)
[08:01] <tritium> mmichelli, no, thanks to Sun's lilcensing
[08:01] <keon> After installing, can I call up the installer's partitioning tool again?  Or do I have to use cfdisk or similar?
[08:01] <tritium> licensing
[08:01] <orhs> hey
[08:01] <drspin> Mr_Milenko: FYI - Lightwave runs natively on linux -- which is an industry standard for CG
[08:01] <saik0> keon, theres fdisk, you can install parted, and if  you want a GUI theres Gparted
[08:02] <mmichelli> tritium thank you all
[08:02] <keon> saik0: right, i just wondered if the same tool is available outside of the installation step
[08:02] <anto9us> WeirdAl: Did you find what your sound output device was?
[08:02] <orhs> how do i edit the sources.list in the text editor?? i cant replace the text :S
[08:02] <WeirdAl> no
[08:02] <WeirdAl> I'm assuming it's /dev/dsp and something's using it,but I can't see what.
[08:02] <keon> no GUI, server with no X
[08:02] <WeirdAl> If I load XMMS it plays music fine
[08:03] <anto9us> WeirdAl: I'm having the same problem, that's why I ask, need to set it in Soundtracker
[08:03] <WeirdAl> But I don't know what device it's using.
[08:03] <sarom> guys, there is a security patch for ubuntu: http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2005/0459
[08:03] <sarom> Where can I find it? It's not in the ubuntu update manager.
[08:03] <Mr_Milenko> drspin: FYI it was a joke :)
[08:03] <anto9us> WeirdAl: what's your soundcard?
[08:03] <WeirdAl> nForce onboard.
[08:03] <WeirdAl> Oh, I have to go vote.
[08:03] <WeirdAl> Back in a bit.
[08:03] <Mr_Milenko> ew.. dude onboard is EVIL
[08:03] <WeirdAl|Away> Not really. Sounds quite good.
[08:03] <Mr_Milenko> Evil i say.. EEEEVIIIL
[08:04] <Mr_Milenko> might sound good but onboard = devil!
[08:04] <Mr_Milenko> :P
[08:04] <saik0> keon, I'm not sure. What exactly are you trying to do that you cant do with either fdisk or parted?
[08:04] <nevyn> hrm
[08:04] <Mr_Milenko> and with that being said.. my computer is the anti-christ
[08:04] <Mr_Milenko> :-/
[08:04] <Amaranth> Mr_Milenko: If it's an nForce 4 with hardware 3d sound support (did they ever actually release those) it'll smoke any card you have :)
[08:04] <nevyn> sometimes onboard is good.
[08:04] <Sadist> :)
[08:04] <Mr_Milenko> did nobody see what i said lol
[08:04] <keon> saik0: i can do it with either fdisk or parted, i just like that tool :-)
[08:04] <saik0> Mr_Milenko, does that make you the false prophet?
[08:05] <nevyn> onboard ethernet good... onboard sound bad.
[08:05] <segphault> yeah but in three when it can't smoke any new cards, you won't be able to replace it.
[08:05] <segphault> *three years
[08:05] <Mr_Milenko> yeah.. because i dont beleive in religion :-/
[08:05] <Mr_Milenko> it all sucks
[08:05] <nevyn> but sound in the pc box is generally a bad idea.
[08:05] <tritium> sarom, that was updated sometime back
[08:06] <Mr_T> slashtom, duh
[08:06] <orhs> hey how do i change the root password??
[08:06] <lool> orhs: sudo passwd
[08:06] <Efwis_> actually it depends on the computer as to whether or not you can replace it when the on-board dies, as long as you have a pci or pciexpress slot open
[08:06] <sarom> tritium, ok good, then I probably have it
[08:06] <glen_> ok guys
[08:06] <glen_> another question
[08:06] <mrtoth> Hi! I have a problem with pppoe ( over a DSL connection). I change the mtu in /etc/pp/options, and in /etc/ppp/peers/... and poff -a, and pon, and reboot, and it doesn't changes ( ifconfig shows always 1492 ). Anybody any idea?
[08:06] <tritium> sarom, yep
[08:06] <glen_> my USBs are broken so linux takes about 5mins loading them up
[08:07] <ThomasWinwood> Heehee, "poff".
[08:07] <glen_> is there any way i can disable them from loading?
[08:07] <Amaranth> segphault: Not really true, there seems to be no market for the kind of thing the nForce 4 was supposed to have.
[08:07] <quiet> okay... so i just did a warty install.. changed the stuff in apt sources.list to 'hoary' and did a dist-upgrade...  anything else i need to do??  does that upgrade the kernel too or no???
[08:07] <lool> mrtoth: I have the same problem, I suggest you use /etc/network/interfaces and an "up" command there
[08:07] <glen_> disable my USBs from loading at boot time i mean
[08:08] <Sadist> quiet u need a beer :] 
[08:08] <mrtoth> lool: On which interface? Should i write a definition to ppp0?
[08:08] <lool> mrtoth: yep
[08:08] <lool> mrtoth: it's documented in the man
[08:08] <mrtoth> lool: I try it, thx
[08:08] <Sadist> quiet try apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[08:08] <segphault> quiet: if you are trying to figure out if your kernel got upgrade, use 'uname -a' at the command line
[08:08] <segphault> quiet: should be 2.6.10
[08:09] <ThomasWinwood> Hmm. When the time comes to upgrade to Breezy, will it override any custom icon changes I may have made, or interfere with my theme settings?
[08:09] <quiet> ahh..  nope.. it's 2.6.8.1-3
[08:09] <segphault> quiet: yeah, you need to do a dist-upgrade
[08:09] <quiet> i did dist-upgrade
[08:10] <Burgundavia> quiet, have you rebooted?
[08:10] <segphault> quiet: you might not have the right repositories in your apt sources list
[08:10] <segphault> ah, that's a good point
[08:10] <tritium> Burgundavia likely hit the nail on the head
[08:11] <segphault> reboot after kernel upgrade is something I do so automatically, it didn't even occur to me that other people might not know to
[08:11] <Burgundavia> until you reboot, you are still using the old kernel
[08:11] <quiet> i have the default repos.. but rebooting is a good idea...lol..  (doh!)
[08:12] <ThomasWinwood> What is the package to change MP3 ID3 tags?
[08:12] <jordanau> ** root
[08:12] <Burgundavia> easytag
[08:12] <ThomasWinwood> Thanks.
[08:13] <Efwis_> any ideas on how I can stop the startup sound from being an infinate loop, becuase of it I can't hear any other sounds
[08:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here tried to install the icewm packages?
[08:16] <quiet> okay... rebooted and it's all..hoary-ied up
[08:16] <quiet> cool
[08:17] <nevyn> hrm
[08:17] <sig> quiet: lsb_version -a
[08:17] <quiet> wow.. i like the new wallpaper
[08:17] <segphault> it's nicer than the old wallpaper, but brown isn't exactly my favorite colour
[08:18] <quiet> yeah mine either.. i like the gold one from kde-look
[08:18] <ThomasWinwood> Which package contains a rhythmbox plugin for MP3s?
[08:18] <quiet> umm...   'lsb_version: command not found"
[08:18] <segphault> ThomasWinwood: gstreamer mad
[08:18] <sarom> I tend to change wallpapers a lot
[08:18] <sarom> depending on my mood
[08:18] <sarom> and the time of day
[08:18] <quiet> yeah. me too
[08:19] <quiet> i tend to change distro's a lot...lol...  I'm such a junkie..  i like too many...
[08:19] <sarom> at night, I like to put up shots of cities at night
[08:19] <quiet> so i'm always switching
[08:19] <segphault> quiet: I used to switch around a lot too. I stopped all the switching when I started using debian about a year and a half ago. My switch to ubuntu has been the only one since
[08:20] <orhs> hey :D got the software i needed installed :D tnx all
[08:20] <quiet> ah.. i've been using debian on and off for a while..  i like it... but it's just too slow..
[08:20] <quiet> ubuntu seems better
[08:20] <quiet> if i'm gonna use debian, i'll be using ubuntu
[08:20] <ThomasWinwood> I started with Red Hat Linux 4. That came free with a magazine.
[08:20] <ThomasWinwood> Then I got Knoppix.
[08:20] <quiet> I always have at least 1 box running Arch and FreeBSD though..lol
[08:20] <ThomasWinwood> Then eventually ended up with Ubuntu.
[08:21] <orhs> so to install adittional software i just got to type apt-get update???
[08:21] <quiet> orhs, apt-get install <package>
[08:21] <Burgundavia> orhs, or use synatpic
[08:21] <orhs> tnx :D
[08:21] <quiet> apt-cache search <package> to see if it's available
[08:22] <segphault> quiet: yeah, I agree about ubuntu being the best debian. I switched because I got tired of never having the most current software
[08:22] <quiet> yeah..
[08:23] <segphault> quiet: i'm pleased with ubuntu for a lot of other reasons too, i'm pleasantly surprised by how well it handles my hardware. Much less manual configuration
[08:23] <redduck666> can anyone do me a favor and download this http://www.pastebin.com/280094 and upload it when i`ll come back. about 5 minutes from now?
[08:23] <quiet> yeah.. the install is super easy..
[08:23] <quiet> my 7-year-old could probably do it.. if it was using the whole disk..
[08:24] <orhs> i have been told to re-compile the kernel and install ndiswrapper to get my wlan card running.. what do i have to go when iam gonna re-compile the kernel?
[08:24] <orhs> do*
[08:25] <MasterYoda> do ubuntu and debian actively work together?
[08:25] <segphault> orhs: oy. If that's really required, I would look into getting a new wireless card. It's worth $30-$40 to avoid having to do that every time you install a linux distribution
[08:25] <LISP> is wine gone from the repo?
[08:25] <tritium> no
[08:25] <tritium> LISP, it's in universe
[08:25] <LISP> i can't seem to find it, and i have universe
[08:26] <LISP> i'll look again
[08:26] <LISP> just wine-doc :(
[08:26] <orhs> segphault, the thing is that its built into the laptop :P
[08:27] <LISP> no, it's not there
[08:27] <tritium> LISP, it is
[08:27] <LISP> i'm using achive.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <LISP> synaptic doesn't find it, trust me.. :(
[08:27] <segphault> orhs: heh. sorry. In that case... you will need the kernel sources package(s) and you will need to find detailed instructions on what/where/how to install the patch/module you need
[08:28] <tritium> LISP, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/wine/
[08:28] <LISP> OMG, could it be that there's no wine for amd64?
[08:28] <tritium> LISP, and apt should be able to see it
[08:29] <tritium> Oh, amd64, yes, that's the problem
[08:29] <LISP> apt didn't see it; i'll reload
[08:29] <tritium> No, you just told me the problem, LISP
[08:29] <LISP> :((
[08:29] <LISP> :((
[08:29] <Frafra> hi
[08:29] <LISP> i hate it!
[08:29] <LISP> cedega doesn't work too :|
[08:30] <Frafra> for create an iso of a direcrory, what i must do?
[08:30] <LISP> open source has failed me :P
[08:30] <Frafra> s/of/from/
[08:30] <Frafra> mkisofs dir/?
[08:30] <WeirdAl> anto9us, did you find an answer while I was gone?
[08:31] <LISP> how can i set xterm geom to 100%? and change the fonts too; i've tried in /etc/x11/app-defaults
[08:32] <LISP> and it doesn't work
[08:33] <Kira> tritium: you said I can just pop in the install CD and it will ask if I want to upgrade. Is it after I boot into Ubuntu?
[08:33] <tritium> Kira, yes.  when you're logged in
[08:33] <anto9us> WeirdAl: no, sorry
[08:34] <WeirdAl> ant, turn your speakers down a bit and do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[08:34] <WeirdAl> Should make a load of noise
[08:34] <WeirdAl> ctrl-c to stop
[08:34] <Kira> tritium, I pop in the CD and it opens a window to show it's content. No autorun is loaded.
[08:34] <Kira> *its
[08:34] <tritium> Kira, it doesn't ask you if you want to upgrade from it?
[08:34] <WeirdAl> If that works, then it's /dev/dsp
[08:35] <WeirdAl> However, this is as far as I got.
[08:35] <anto9us> WeirdAl: try installing the audiooss package
[08:35] <Kira> tritium, no, it doesn't.
[08:36] <anto9us> WeirdAl: and make sure you're a member of the audio group
[08:36] <tritium> Kira, then you'll have to put an entry in your /etc/apt/sources.list like this: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[08:36] <tritium> or similar
[08:36] <WeirdAl> I can use audio through XMMS
[08:36] <glen_> ey i just installed amaroK but when i configure it, it doesnt have any engines to choose from... does any one know a solution?
[08:36] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[08:36] <[Phaedrus] > i got a common knowledge question here
[08:37] <eslio> hello. this description (another distro description) is ideal to ubuntu?  a GNU/Linux distribution containing only free software.
[08:37] <thegreedyturtle> shoot
[08:37] <[Phaedrus] > what do you call structures that cannot be constructed -- stuff like the twisted loops and stuff?
[08:37] <WeirdAl> It's always been like this :-\
[08:37] <thegreedyturtle> something with 'escher' in it?
[08:37] <anto9us> WeirdAl: installing audiooss has just solved my problem
[08:37] <thegreedyturtle> i know the loop is called a mobius strip
[08:37] <WeirdAl> If I use OSS I get sound but it's really really bad. It goes in bits. Very laggy.
[08:37] <ThomasWinwood> Phaedrus: Mobius strips are entirely constructable.
[08:37] <WeirdAl> ALSA doesn't give me sound at all.
[08:37] <mjr> eslio, Ubuntu has some supported non-free software in restricted
[08:38] <thegreedyturtle> ThomasWinwood, has a good point
[08:38] <WeirdAl> I installed that just now but it's made no difference.
[08:38] <eslio> mjr, but it is installed by default? i mean, if i do a basic/minimum install
[08:38] <anto9us> WeirdAl: now try setting to Alsa
[08:38] <[Phaedrus] > ThomasWinwood: what are those things called , constructable or not?
[08:38] <theD3viL> hi. I installed ubuntu today, before i was using kubuntu. but now 1/2 programs dont work .. wtf? and everything i instsall with apt dont have icons... help PLEASE!
[08:38] <WeirdAl> No difference
[08:38] <WeirdAl> Same error
[08:38] <thegreedyturtle> a sample of an unconstructable object would be that triangle with all 90 angles away from itself
[08:38] <WeirdAl> oh
[08:38] <ThomasWinwood> They all have names. Mobius strip, Klein bottle...
[08:38] <ThomasWinwood> I recommend wikipedia-ing for them.
[08:38] <WeirdAl> no, same error
[08:39] <[Phaedrus] > good one, thegreedyturtle
[08:39] <anto9us> WeirdAl: try dsp0 or something
[08:39] <[Phaedrus] > then again, it defines the basic definition of a triangle that the sums of the angles have to be 180
[08:40] <WeirdAl> Still nada
[08:40] <ThomasWinwood> Phaedrus: Given that definition the third angle would have to be 0 i.e. a line.
[08:40] <thegreedyturtle> here's a pic: http://psylux.psych.tu-dresden.de/i1/kaw/diverses%20Material/www.illusionworks.com/html/impossible_triangle.html
[08:40] <anto9us> WeirdAl: you have alsa-oss package installed?
[08:40] <tritium> WeirdAl, have you talked with crimsun?
[08:41] <tritium> installing audiooss (for NAS) and these other packages is surely not the solution
[08:41] <thegreedyturtle> i don't know if there's any real name for them, maybe optical illusion...
[08:41] <WeirdAl> Just tried alsa-oss and didn't help. And no I haven't.
[08:41] <WeirdAl> I was advised to also try jack
[08:41] <WeirdAl> But I don't know how :-\
[08:41] <tritium> WeirdAl, what exactly is the probem?
[08:41] <quiet> i added the marillat repo.. (on hoary) and i get a warning about the GPG key couldn't be verified... it comes up every time..  how do i fix?
[08:41] <jono> anyone here set up exim?
[08:41] <ivoks> jono use postfix
[08:42] <ivoks> quiet ubuntuguide.org
[08:42] <WeirdAl> tritium, It's with Quake2 sound. If I tell it to use OSS as its sound driver, I get really laggy sound. If I tell it to use ALSA it says /dev/dsp doesn't exist.
[08:42] <mindmedic> quiet import marillats key
[08:42] <quiet> how?
[08:42] <WeirdAl> All other drivers give laggy sound.
[08:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, but in general, sound works for you?
[08:42] <WeirdAl> Yes
[08:42] <mindmedic> stfw
[08:42] <jono> ivoks, I need to use exim
[08:42] <WeirdAl> Through OSS or ALSA
[08:42] <iGama> ppl how do i deactivate the hardware clock sicronization at ubuntu?
[08:42] <tritium> WeirdAl, what about esd?
[08:42] <ivoks> jono why? if i may ask...
[08:43] <WeirdAl> I disabled it because it sucks.
[08:43] <WeirdAl> But it used to work, yes.
[08:43] <tritium> but it works?
[08:43] <tritium> ok
[08:43] <tritium> WeirdAl, crimsun is the sound guru
[08:44] <WeirdAl> I'll ask him later when he's back :-)
[08:44] <tritium> ok
[08:44] <ivoks> let's see the sound problem
[08:44] <ivoks> it works in gnome?
[08:44] <WeirdAl> Uh...
[08:44] <WeirdAl> Well Gnome uses esd so no, I turned that off
[08:44] <WeirdAl> But apps that use OSS or ALSA work
[08:44] <ivoks> WeirdAl well... ALSA and ESD can coegzist ;)
[08:44] <iGama> ppl how do i deactivate the hardware clock sicronization at ubuntu? its always changes the time :s
[08:45] <WeirdAl> Quake2 just tells me that /dev/dsp doesn't exist, for ALSA, or gives me appalling sound for OSS
[08:45] <WeirdAl> Um.
[08:45] <tritium> iGama, use update-rc.d to stop the ntpdate service
[08:45] <WeirdAl> If I have ESD running, XMMS crashes when trying to use ALSA
[08:45] <ivoks> WeirdAl that could be fixed
[08:46] <ivoks> WeirdAl i run ESD and play americas army and armagetron with sound from gnome
[08:46] <iGama> tritium, how do i do that?
[08:46] <tritium> iGama, for example, this is how to disable X on boot with debian-based distros: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[08:46] <fsl_> how do i install fluxbox in ubuntu?
[08:46] <mindmedic> quiet, sry for being rude, but answering to somebody who hasn't even tried a web search to find a solution himself is always painful for me... my apologies... type: marillat import key in a google search window (www.google.com).
[08:46] <tritium> iGama, see the line "update-rc.d ?dm stop 99 1 2 3 4 5 6"
[08:47] <WeirdAl> ivoks, that aside... surely I don't *need* esd running to use the ALSA driver for Q2?
[08:47] <ivoks> tritium .
[08:47] <zenlunatic> fsl_, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[08:47] <quiet> mindmedic, i did it
[08:47] <tritium> ivoks, yes?
[08:47] <fsl_> zenlunatic: no such package :/
[08:47] <ivoks> WeirdAl sure u don't
[08:47] <mindmedic> ok. sry again
[08:47] <tritium> ivoks, ah, the "."?
[08:47] <quiet> mindmedic, it's okay..  you're right
[08:47] <zenlunatic> fsl_, update sources.list and apt-get update
[08:47] <ivoks> tritium update-rc.d ?dm 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 .
[08:47] <fsl_> zenlunatic: where do i get an updated sources.list?
[08:47] <tritium> ivoks, thanks for catching that
[08:48] <segphault> fsl_: you need to enable 'universe' in your sources list
[08:48] <zenlunatic> fsl_, you have to add repositories using a text editor
[08:48] <mindmedic> quiet, the ubuntu wiki answers the common questions pretty good
[08:48] <tritium> iGama, don't miss that "."
[08:48] <segphault> fsl_: if you have hoary you can easily do that with synaptic
[08:48] <zenlunatic> fsl_, ubuntuguide.org has a section on it
[08:48] <mindmedic> have a nice day
[08:48] <WeirdAl> ivoks, so ignoring the fact that I don't have esd running ... how come my ALSA driver can't find /dev/dsp?
[08:48] <fsl_> im on warthy wartog, not hoary
[08:48] <quiet> yeah..i'm working my way through the RestrictedFormats page now..that where i ran into the trouble with marillat
[08:48] <zenlunatic> segphault, he doesn't have repositories
[08:48] <tritium> quiet, ivoks pointed you to ubuntuguide.org, which has details
[08:48] <zenlunatic> fsl_, any entries commented in your source.list with a #
[08:49] <ivoks> WeirdAl is ur alsa module or in-kernel?
[08:49] <ivoks> WeirdAl do u have /dev/dsp?
[08:49] <segphault> zenlunatic: yeah I know, but synaptic finds the commented out entries and makes it easy to enable them
[08:49] <WeirdAl> I have /dev/dsp
[08:49] <WeirdAl> I can output straight to it.
[08:49] <zenlunatic> segphault, oh i never used that package
[08:49] <ivoks> WeirdAl and Q2 can't find it?
[08:49] <WeirdAl> correct.
[08:49] <WeirdAl> If I use OSS, it can, but it's crap at it.
[08:50] <ivoks> WeirdAl strace quake2
[08:50] <quiet> tritium, which is where i found the answer for my question, thanks
[08:50] <ivoks> WeirdAl and search for /dev/dsp errors
[08:50] <theD3viL> hi. I installed ubuntu today, before i was using kubuntu. but now 1/2 programs dont work .. wtf? and everything i instsall with apt dont have icons... help PLEASE!
[08:50] <_dockane_> i've got problems compiling iscan (scanner software from epkowa).  'make' says it does not find gtk.h. but locate finds it in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h
[08:50] <segphault> zenlunatic: my inclination would be to grep for it in the sourcs list and then use sed to uncomment, but the average n00b finds synaptic much easier. ;-}
[08:50] <zenlunatic> segphault, I see
[08:51] <Segosa> >_<
[08:51] <ivoks> i'll be back in couple of minutes
[08:51] <Kira> synaptic scared me.
[08:51] <WeirdAl> ivoks, grep says "/dev/dsp" doesn't exist in that output
[08:51] <Kira> says 5xx MBs need to be downloaded.
[08:51] <Kira> turns out its "downloading" from the CD.
[08:52] <segphault> lol
[08:52] <tritium> Kira, :)  good, it worked to add the cdrom line?
[08:52] <Kira> ya
[08:52] <Kira> well, yes and no
[08:52] <tritium> how so?
[08:52] <_dockane_> is there any tool to find out where make looks for gtk.h ?
[08:53] <segphault> oy I get so distracted by IRC. I came in to ask a question nobody could answer and here I am being a conversationalist.
[08:53] <Kira> the CD got unmounted when I closed the window, so synaptic complained about it.
[08:53] <segphault> I gotta get back to work
[08:53] <eean> isn't there like a meta amarok-engine package? I have a user who doesn't think it exists.
[08:53] <WeirdAl> oh
[08:53] <segphault> g'day everybody
[08:53] <WeirdAl> the output didn't get redirected.
[08:53] <tritium> Kira, well, you do need the CD mounted ;)
[08:53] <WeirdAl> ivoks, how do I redirect the output of strace into a file?
[08:53] <Kira> tritium, ya, I figure that.
[08:54] <eean> where is there an online package search for ubuntu?
[08:54] <_dockane_> WeirdAl, with -o filename
[08:54] <tritium> eean, packages.ubuntu.com, or use apt-cache search <searchterm>
[08:54] <WeirdAl> OK
[08:54] <Kira> I didn't know the CD is unmounted once I close the window. :/
[08:54] <Kira> Is it a GNOME thing?
[08:54] <eean> tritium: cool, I can actually remember that URL. last time it was something weird. :)
[08:54] <thegreedyturtle> good afternoon segphalt
[08:55] <tritium> eean, yeah
[08:55] <fredrik> can i change the language in ubuntu?
[08:56] <x_or> Anyone here know the simplest path to installing apache+mod_ssl+mod_perl+HTML::Mason?
[08:57] <forsaker8k6> hi guys!
[08:57] <WeirdAl> Um that's a problem.
[08:57] <WeirdAl> If I use strace quake2 -o trace-q2, it bottoms out with a buttload of "gettimeofday()" calls
[08:57] <WeirdAl> And my mouse has stopped working.
[08:57] <forsaker8k6> O_o
[08:58] <WeirdAl> And the output file is empty
[08:58] <WeirdAl> If i don't try to output it it's OK :-|
[09:00] <glen_> erm..
[09:00] <glen_> how do i install .deb files
[09:00] <forsaker8k6> glen
[09:00] <WeirdAl> sudo dpkg --install <file>
[09:00] <forsaker8k6> do as WeirdAl says
[09:00] <forsaker8k6> :D
[09:00] <glen_> okay
[09:00] <glen_> thanks much :D
[09:00] <WeirdAl> np
[09:01] <fredrik> is there a way to reduce mouse sensitivity?
[09:01] <WeirdAl> System > preferences > mouse
[09:01] <fredrik> eh?
[09:01] <anto9us> fredrik: you could give it counselling
[09:01] <fredrik> WeirdAl: i'm not running gnome
[09:01] <WeirdAl> Oh
[09:01] <fredrik> you wouldnt want to on a 400mhz ;)
[09:02] <WeirdAl> :-) I'm running it on a 500
[09:02] <WeirdAl> So no, I wouldn't.
[09:02] <mindmedic> frederik, it would be nice to add your desktop environment in your question
[09:02] <anto9us> I think memory is the critical factor with performance in gnome
[09:02] <mindmedic> that would make the answer easier
[09:02] <fredrik> i'm running fluxbox
[09:02] <WeirdAl> Maybe he's in console
[09:02] <WeirdAl> oh
[09:03] <fredrik> i'll try gnome
[09:03] <forsaker8k6> just, about DE... what about enlightenment?
[09:03] <mindmedic> rocks
[09:03] <fredrik> dont like it
[09:03] <forsaker8k6> what do you think about?
[09:04] <fredrik> i normally use FVWM, but not in the mood to conf it :p
[09:04] <saik0> forsaker8k6 E16 or 17?
[09:04] <mindmedic> e17 has so much cool stuff...
[09:04] <forsaker8k6> only god knows about e17
[09:04] <forsaker8k6> i tried a preview
[09:04] <forsaker8k6> but...
[09:04] <forsaker8k6> i was talking about e16 ;)
[09:05] <fredrik> strange enough when i installed ubuntu i got no GNOME or XFree :/
[09:05] <mindmedic> nah, dont like e16.. i'm not able to use e17 productive either, but entrance & the whole desktop is fast beauty
[09:05] <fredrik> mindmedic: you should really try FVWM ;)
[09:05] <mindmedic> ohh, i'm fine with gnome
[09:06] <fredrik> k
[09:06] <mindmedic> no need for a change :)
[09:06] <fredrik> but fvwm is really nice ;)
[09:06] <ivoks> so, WeirdAl case closed? :)
[09:06] <saik0> Yea, I'm addicted to GNOME too, and use XFCE for all my middleweight DE needs....I've honestly never had to use any lightweight WMs
[09:06] <glen_> is the any repo's i should add ?
[09:06] <WeirdAl> ivoks, no.
[09:06] <glen_> for example a lot of packages i want are in" universe"
[09:06] <WeirdAl> :-s
[09:06] <mindmedic> fredrik, i remember that when i have os-playtime again
[09:06] <WeirdAl> I've made no progress
[09:07] <glen_> can i not add the universe repo to my Synapic
[09:07] <forsaker8k6> mm.. e17 scares me a bit: you know a possible triple-fork besides KDE and Gnome
[09:07] <WeirdAl> strace gives me a load of output, and it crashes the game if I put it into a file.
[09:07] <ivoks> WeirdAl don't put into file
[09:08] <WeirdAl> Well I can't see all the output so I don't know if there's a problem I've missed.
[09:08] <saik0> glen_, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories (you can also add repos in synaptic)
[09:08] <ThomasWinwood> glen_: You can use Synaptic's settings, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually.
[09:08] <elkid> hello, just wondering is there is a site where i can see packages versions
[09:08] <ThomasWinwood> I prefer the latter because I like my config settings to look nic.e
[09:08] <glen_> yes i found ti now but thats saik0 & ThomasWinwood
[09:08] <ivoks> WeirdAl strace quake2 | grep dsp
[09:08] <tritium> elkid, packages.ubuntu.com
[09:08] <ivoks> WeirdAl no, that won't work :)
[09:09] <WeirdAl> That crashes it in the same way
[09:09] <crazyone> is it normal that when you klik Ctrl alt F1 that I can not login whitout X???
[09:09] <ivoks> WeirdAl u can redirect strace
[09:09] <WeirdAl> Not without crashing it I can't.
[09:09] <elkid> tritium thanks
[09:09] <WeirdAl> The game just bottoms out when I press a key, and then I have to load it up again to get my mouse back.
[09:09] <ivoks> WeirdAl check out why it crashes
[09:09] <WeirdAl> It crashes with a screenful of gettimeofday() calls
[09:09] <WeirdAl> All = 0
[09:09] <ivoks> hm...
[09:10] <saik0> hey I'm looking for something comparable to MS Access...anybody got any ideas
[09:10] <forsaker8k6> hei.. another thing i was wandering about, while i was surfing the internet... some people see ubuntu as a possible fork from debian... what do you think about?
[09:10] <WeirdAl> mysql? :-D
[09:10] <forsaker8k6> saik0, openoffice base ;)
[09:10] <zenlunatic> forsaker8k6, i don't think its a fork
[09:10] <forsaker8k6> saik0, it's a new application in OOo 2.0
[09:10] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, ubuntu is a fork, but is also tries to give back as much as possible, as soon as possible
[09:10] <saik0> forsaker8k6, reeeeeally?
[09:11] <ThomasWinwood> It's possible that Ubuntu could fork, but I don't see it formally forking anytime soon.
[09:11] <zenlunatic> forsaker8k6, not a lot of original developers left
[09:11] <forsaker8k6> saik0, yep
[09:11] <Tux-Rox> Does anyone have Beagle running on Hoary?
[09:11] <sjoeboo> yep, i do
[09:11] <zenlunatic> forsaker8k6, for it to be a fork a lot of debian devs would have had to have left debian for ubuntu and that didn't happen
[09:11] <forsaker8k6> but the problem i read about is: developers are creating packages for ubuntu no longer compatible with debian
[09:11] <mindmedic> Tux-Rox, search ubuntu wiki for setup
[09:11] <sjoeboo> goto the beagle wiki and follow the ubuntu instructions, works perfectly
[09:12] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, I gather you read the ian murdock thing?
[09:12] <ivoks> forsaker8k6 there are couple of them, not to much
[09:12] <forsaker8k6> yes Burgundavia
[09:12] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, remember, ubuntu syncs to sid, not sarge
[09:12] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, there are things on sid that don't install on sarge
[09:12] <Tux-Rox> I have it running and it is indexing right now. Did it work for you all in indexing music and images?
[09:12] <forsaker8k6> ok I understand Burgundavia
[09:12] <forsaker8k6> so my doubts had no foundation :D
[09:13] <orhs>  hmm iam getting root@orhs:~/windows_drivers# ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:13] <orhs> Installing bcmwl5
[09:13] <orhs> cp: cannot stat `/home/orhs/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf': No such file or directory
[09:13] <orhs> root@orhs:~/windows_drivers#
[09:13] <mindmedic> Tux-Rox, why don't you just wait for it to finish..
[09:13] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, there are legit concerns
[09:13] <sjoeboo> indexing music/images is off cause gst-sharp isn't to stable right now
[09:13] <UnreA|L> how rename file in terminal
[09:13] <UnreA|L> ?
[09:13] <ivoks> WeirdAl don't know how to help u :(
[09:13] <mindmedic> you want to hear about problems before you got them?
[09:13] <sjoeboo> even if you have it compiled, beagle won't use it
[09:13] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, but ubuntu is being pretty good about staying true to the debian core
[09:14] <ivoks> Burgundavia if it stays like this... it would be great
[09:14] <sjoeboo> Unreal: mv
[09:14] <Tux-Rox> mindmedic, I have noticed that it maybe be done. Problem seems to be that I have all documents and media on an NFS share. So the results I get back seem local only. Any way to extend it out to the share?
[09:14] <forsaker8k6> mmm... i hope that to... i am somwway linked with debian.. even if i use ubuntu :P
[09:14] <pdk001> hi
[09:14] <orhs> i need help everyone...
[09:14] <sjoeboo> whats your problem orhs?
[09:14] <ivoks> forsaker8k6 debian is my first love, too :)
[09:14] <WeirdAl> never mind ivoks
[09:15] <WeirdAl> thanks anyway :-\
[09:15] <pdk001> how can i contact ubuntu developers?
[09:15] <forsaker8k6> ivoks, my first love is gentoo... debian is my hidden lover ;)
[09:15] <ivoks> pdk001 which one? :)
[09:15] <sjoeboo> get in the dev chan, or join the dev mailing list
[09:15] <efbie> Hello. Anyone knows how i can disable powernowd so i can have my CPU running at full speed for a while ?
[09:15] <forsaker8k6> and ubuntu is my wife :D
[09:15] <ivoks> forsaker8k6 i tried with gentoo... it demanded too much from me... i wasn't ready for that :)
[09:15] <orhs> sjoeboo, iam trying to install a wifi card i have and everything has gone perfect until i did: root@orhs:/usr/src# ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:15] <orhs> Installing bcmwl5
[09:15] <orhs> cp: cannot stat `/home/orhs/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf': No such file or directory
[09:15] <mindmedic> Tux-Rox. dunno... but if the share is mounted, isn't it treated like a local fs then?
[09:15] <pdk001> clude eng-kor dictionary next release
[09:16] <forsaker8k6> ivoks, i think portage is just amazing... it only needs time... to much time...
[09:16] <ivoks> orhs ls -dl /home/orhs/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:16] <efbie> I'm making renders with blender, and my CPU is stuck at 800mhz....
[09:16] <ivoks> forsaker8k6 right... and time i don't have...
[09:16] <forsaker8k6> so i prrefere apt... it's just more ... quick :D
[09:16] <ivoks> forsaker8k6 i miss pentium-m optimization of packages... but... that time...
[09:17] <UnreA|L> how rename file in console and how creater folder in console
[09:17] <UnreA|L> ???
[09:17] <orhs> ivoks, no such file or dir
[09:17] <forsaker8k6> UnreA|L, mkdir and cp
[09:17] <iapx8088> Efbie, then pornnowd isn't working, when I need power, it gives me all the box can give.
[09:17] <Tux-Rox> mindmedic, it might just need the user_xattr added in fstab, but my fear is that it will index the entire share instead of just the directories in the share I have linked in my home directory....... Guess I'll just give it a shot.
[09:17] <ivoks> orhs well... rethink what u acctually want and what are u doing
[09:17] <forsaker8k6> sorry UnreA|L not cp.. it is mv to rename ;)
[09:18] <ivoks> iapx8088 that depends on governator
[09:18] <efbie> usually it works
[09:18] <efbie> but not for blender renders.
[09:19] <ivoks> efbie  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver
[09:19] <iapx8088> Ivoks I was supposing he's using userspaced
[09:19] <iapx8088> s/userspaced/userspace/
[09:20] <ivoks> efbie laptop?
[09:20] <benz240> anyone here using KDE?
[09:20] <efbie> yes
[09:20] <Burgundavia> benz240, you might want to try #kubuntu
[09:20] <benz240> if i middle click on a tab in KDE it crashes
[09:20] <ivoks> efbie apt-get install laptop-tools
[09:20] <efbie> it says powernow-k8
[09:20] <forsaker8k6> me not... i hate trolls :P
[09:20] <saik0> benz240 #kubuntu
[09:20] <benz240> oh whoops
[09:20] <ivoks> efbie i think...
[09:20] <mindmedic> UnreA|L, look at "info coreutils"
[09:21] <ivoks> efbie apt-get install laptop-mode-tools
[09:21] <mindmedic> theres cool stuff in there
[09:21] <ivoks> efbie apt-get install laptop-mode !! sorry :)
[09:21] <forsaker8k6> .. i wander... how can people like kde... :P
[09:21] <ivoks> ah... i give up
[09:22] <efbie> laptop-mode was already installed
[09:22] <benz240> maybe im gonna give up on KDE
[09:22] <saik0> forsaker8k6, they sit down and mess with it for 3 days and make it look acceptible
[09:22] <ivoks> efbie -tools
[09:22] <benz240> i am deciding between Xandros and Ubuntu to install on my laptop
[09:22] <efbie> i just installed it, i'll look if it goes better
[09:22] <forsaker8k6> saik0, yes, maybe you're right... :D :D
[09:22] <ivoks> efbie and then look at /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf
[09:23] <forsaker8k6> benz240, try gnome... you won't regret
[09:23] <benz240> k
[09:23] <forsaker8k6> or at least fvwm ;)
[09:23] <Burgundavia> benz240, they are both debian derivs
[09:23] <saik0> benz240, Xandros is...well....kinda scary
[09:23] <forsaker8k6> no, just kidding
[09:23] <ivoks> efbie CPU_MAXFREQ is think u need
[09:23] <Burgundavia> benz240, however, Ubuntu is under more heavy development in terms of new features
[09:23] <benz240> yeah thats what i like to hear
[09:24] <benz240> its more laptop friendly from what i hear
[09:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:24] <benz240> although Fedora comes close
[09:24] <ivoks> efbie thing... sorry... i'm tierd... doing lot of mistakes :(
[09:24] <Burgundavia> and the next release is going to be even more so
[09:24] <forsaker8k6> or wait for sarge.. they say it will come out on may, 30
[09:24] <benz240> right now ive got about 4 distros running on vmware
[09:24] <ivoks> ubuntu is the best OS for laptop
[09:24] <benz240> so im trying to see which i like the best in terms of usability
[09:24] <ivoks> better than windows
[09:24] <efbie> it works now...
[09:25] <efbie> just installed laptop-mode-tools
[09:25] <efbie> ah ... no
[09:25] <ivoks> efbie play with config file :)
[09:25] <benz240> any thinkpad users in here
[09:25] <forsaker8k6> benz240, i think ubuntu is your choice ;)
[09:25] <efbie> ok, i'll look in that config-file
[09:25] <benz240> yeah its the one i have spent the most time with
[09:25] <ivoks> efbie CPU_MAXFREQ is by default "slowest"
[09:25] <klaym> is it true that ubuntu has become the most popular linux distro nowadays?
[09:26] <forsaker8k6> it's easy to use, fast, and it is debian-derived ;)
[09:26] <saik0> ha well being in the #ubuntu channel you might be talking to users with a _slight) bias
[09:26] <ivoks> efbie change it to max speed you would like it to bee when on battery
[09:26] <benz240> forsaker8k6: when is the next core coming out
[09:26] <eruin> klaym: yeah, for desktops
[09:26] <eruin> ben_d: after summer
[09:26] <benz240> saik0: good point
[09:26] <eruin> september/august I elieve
[09:26] <benz240> k
[09:26] <forsaker8k6> benz240, don't know.. maybe we have to wat six months
[09:26] <forsaker8k6> *wait
[09:26] <Burgundavia> benz240, ermo FC4 is june
[09:26] <eruin> you can use the release called breezy (like I do) if you like new packages every day though ;)
[09:26] <benz240> is it gonna be a rolling release
[09:27] <ivoks> efbie and then sudo /etc/init.d/laptop-mode restart
[09:27] <benz240> ah thats what i mean
[09:27] <saik0> benz240 well the bias is'nt going to make ubuntu any less awesome =D
[09:27] <benz240> lol
[09:27] <forsaker8k6> eruin, is breezy sufficiently stable?
[09:27] <eruin> forsaker8k6: for my system it's rock solid
[09:27] <benz240> well if theres always a channel with 500+ users in it that I can ask for help, thats good to have
[09:27] <forsaker8k6> wow.. i think i'll give it a try :D
[09:27] <eruin> forsaker8k6: that could change though, and you might not be so fortunate either ;)
[09:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> whats a good prog to monitor the daemons and services running on ubuntu?
[09:28] <forsaker8k6> eruin, i've got only to change my sources.list repos, is it right?
[09:28] <eruin> forsaker8k6: yeah, every instance of hoary to breezy, then apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[09:29] <sjoeboo> flyingsquirrel32, "top"
[09:29] <sjoeboo> its my fav
[09:29] <efbie> ivoks, It doesn't work. In fact when i start rendering, it goes to 1.8Ghz, and then after a while it slows down to 800Mhz
[09:29] <quiet> is there a place to get a hi-res copy of the Ubuntu logo??? to be used for artwork and such??
[09:29] <eruin> forsaker8k6: you might wanna subscribe to the ubuntu-devel list too
[09:29] <eruin> @lists.ubuntu.com
[09:29] <forsaker8k6> eruin, what's the addres?
[09:29] <saik0> heh I'll stick with hoary and the backports. I need to do actual work on this box =)
[09:29] <forsaker8k6> ok tnx :D
[09:29] <efbie> Even if the load is 100%
[09:30] <eruin> saik0: using backports is like asking for trouble too :P
[09:30] <ThomasWinwood> Actually backports are generally pretty good.
[09:30] <eruin> so is breezy if you wanna put it that way
[09:30] <saik0> eruin, not enough trouble to break my system, thats the point
[09:31] <tritium> backports are a bad idea, especially when it comes to upgrading to new releases
[09:31] <forsaker8k6> eruin, subscribed to the list :)
[09:31] <forsaker8k6> now i'm gonna update my system
[09:32] <eruin> :)
[09:32] <Pick> oy
[09:32] <efbie> If i kill powernowd it goes better for 2-3 seconds
[09:32] <saik0> tritium, I had'nt given that much thought. now I'm paranoid
[09:32] <orhs> need some help with this... orhs@orhs:~$ ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:32] <orhs> Installing bcmwl5
[09:32] <orhs> Unable to create directory /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5. Make sure you are running as root
[09:32] <orhs> orhs@orhs:~$ su
[09:32] <orhs> Password:
[09:32] <forsaker8k6> eruin, ah just anotherr little question
[09:32] <orhs> root@orhs:/home/orhs # mkdir windows_drivers
[09:32] <orhs> root@orhs:/home/orhs # ls
[09:32] <orhs> Desktop            ndis                    pictures  windows_drivers
[09:32] <forsaker8k6> d'oh
[09:32] <orhs> Infected Mushroom  ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz  programs
[09:32] <orhs> Martial Arts       Nickelback              rkhunder
[09:32] <orhs>  orhs@orhs:~$ ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf
[09:32] <orhs> Installing bcmwl5
[09:32] <orhs> Unable to create directory /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5. Make sure you are running as root
[09:32] <orhs> u see my problem??
[09:33] <sjoeboo> orhs, run the ndiswrapper command as root
[09:33] <efbie> Do you think i should do a bug report on that ?
[09:33] <tritium> orhs, there is an ndiswrapper-source package you should install and build from instead
[09:33] <Pick> i've a problem with ubuntu on an old pici
[09:33] <Pick> not so old in fact
[09:33] <Pick> 4 years
[09:34] <Sotamies> LLLL
[09:34] <Pick> ok
[09:37] <hoary> hello - what is the topic now?
[09:37] <kkathman> I am looking for a file in ubuntu called DIRCOLORS.  This is typically in /etc on most distros, but seems not to be in Ubuntu at all. DIRCOLORS controls the color of the files in the command ls.  Does anyone know where this file might be or what can be done?
[09:37] <ThomasWinwood> kkathman: /usr/bin/dircolors
[09:38] <kkathman> Thomas...thank you!
[09:38] <ThomasWinwood> You are most welcome.
[09:39] <eliteforce^> where can i get freemotif + needed packages from?
[09:39] <orhs> i cant find the deb files in synaptic
[09:40] <tritium> orhs, which ones?
[09:40] <ThomasWinwood> orhs: What are you looking for?
[09:41] <orhs> tritium, ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-1_i386.deb and ndiswrapper-modules-$(uname -r)_1.1-1_i386.deb ( they are in /usr/src)
[09:42] <orhs> tritium, but i cant find them
[09:42] <tritium> orhs, you mean they're already installed, and you don't know where the files are located?
[09:43] <ThomasWinwood> What's the terminal command to make a symlink?
[09:43] <orhs> tritium, i dont think they are installed... but i cant find them with syaptic
[09:43] <saik0> ThomasWinwood ln -s
[09:43] <tritium> orhs, search for "ndiswrapper"
[09:43] <tritium> orhs, you can also use "apt-cache search ndiswrapper"
[09:44] <tritium> when you find the package names, you can install the packages
[09:44] <orhs> tritium, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[09:44] <mindmedic> ThomasWinwood, thats pretty easy to find
[09:45] <orhs> tritium, go down until you reach "Installing the Windows Drivers"
[09:45] <tritium> orhs, so you've built the .debs you're looking for?
[09:46] <hoary> I have tried to set up encryption on my 3com wireless system. I have installed Kwifi, which measures my setup ok. But I cannot open the configuration editor. Can anyone help?
[09:46] <orhs> tritium, no i need to install them and they wont show in synaptic
[09:47] <tritium> orhs, you didn't read the instructions.  Look at the section above the one you referred me to.  It tells you to BUILD those .deb packages
[09:47] <will> evening all
[09:47] <something_else> aight, ive had enough, is there a way to get the system to look at hosts before resolving?
[09:47] <orhs> so ill type build ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-1_i386.deb and build ndiswrapper-modules-$(uname -r)_1.1-1_i386.deb??
[09:48] <tritium> orhs, no, read the URL
[09:48] <something_else> at the moment, when apache is up, it seems to require the net connection in order to show server pages
[09:48] <something_else> so im assuming either hosts is being completely ignored
[09:49] <something_else> and is perhaps partially the reason for my hostname not being resolved at all
[09:49] <SteveA> i wonder if it is resolving in order to write log files
[09:49] <something_else> log files? which ones
[09:50] <SteveA> logs of requests
[09:50] <something_else> hmm, but why does it need to resolve if its local
[09:50] <SteveA> i really don't know, though.  i am not an authority on apache.  there is an option somewhere to have names rather than ip addresses in logs.
[09:51] <something_else> ok, i dont think its to do with apache at all
[09:51] <tanek> greetings
[09:51] <something_else> im prety sure its to do with a mixture of resolv.conf /etc/hosts and host.conf
[09:51] <poe-t> hi! did some1  installed ubuntu thru vmware into a virtual harddisk? in my case I get an error no disk available. is 4 Gb too little? or is it a bug?
[09:52] <something_else> 4 gig should be more than enough
[09:54] <Big_O> gont forget youll need a swap partition
[09:54] <poe-t> something_else, it would install into a physical /dev/hda1 nut I'm not into this kinda game :-)
[09:54] <jacquesm1rde> how come my ubuntu computer doesnt seem to be broadcasting its hostname to the rest of the LAN?
[09:55] <poe-t> Big_O, I just want to try it out. if it comes to using it I've got swap partitions under debian. I can use those :-)
[09:55] <orospakr> jackmacokc, what, you mean NetBIOS name? windows name?
[09:55] <poe-t> jackmacokc, setup samba then
[09:55] <Big_O> dont^^
[09:55] <Big_O> well 4 gigs should be enough then
[09:56] <yogui> in wich file must i write my dns server ?
[09:56] <srn> /etc/network/interfaces
[09:56] <srn> i think
[09:56] <srn> oh no wait
[09:56] <poe-t> Big_O, will try to install into 10 gigs preallocated. if anything fails might burn the cdr after all.. thanks
[09:56] <poe-t> yogui, /etc/resolv.conf
[09:56] <Big_O> kk
[09:56] <srn> yearh that one ;)
[09:56] <yogui> poe-t thanxxxxxxx
[09:57] <yogui> ;-)
[09:57] <poe-t> np
[09:58] <DragoraN> hi
[09:58] <Marble2> where does Ubuntu log login attempts?
[09:59] <srn> in gdm?
[09:59] <srn> or ssh sessions?
[09:59] <DragoraN> why i cant hear mp3's? i tried to play them in noatun, mpg123, juice everything, it acts like its playing, but no sound.. but KDE sounds are working.. beeps, and etc
[09:59] <yfir> Marble2: /var/log/auth.log
[09:59] <Marble2> ty
[09:59] <tritium> DragoraN, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <srn> DracosX, select the right soundserver in xmms or whatever app you use
[10:00] <DragoraN> tritium: dont tell me
[10:00] <srn> and make sure u've installed proper gstreamer apps
[10:00] <ThomasWinwood> I deleted /bin/dir and made a symlink to /bin/ls to prevent myself from losing ls's functionality because of stupid Windows-centrism but the colour-formatting isn't there when I do dir while it is for ls.
[10:00] <ThomasWinwood> Why?
[10:00] <tritium> DragoraN, don't tell you what?
[10:00] <DragoraN> tritium: i could play mp3s in console, but just in KDE its not workig
[10:00] <Marble2> yfir: I'm not seeing it there, just cron jobs and sudo commands
[10:01] <tritium> DragoraN, you didn't mention that
[10:01] <something_else> ahh ping works but browsing doesnt
[10:01] <something_else> strange
[10:01] <something_else> i can ping hostname and it will reach 127.0.0.1
[10:01] <srn> DragoraN, make sure u've selected correct soundserver in the application you use to play them with
[10:01] <something_else> but not through browser
[10:01] <something_else> this is mighty strange
[10:01] <srn> or try to kill artsd and do it without
[10:01] <DragoraN> srn: aha, ok
[10:02] <srn> or make sure something else isn
[10:02] <srn> t taking up the sound
[10:02] <srn> output
[10:02] <slappy15> what do i have to apt-get to resolv this...? checking for BerkeleyDB location in default... configure: error: Cannot find BerkeleyDB
[10:02] <Big_O> >.<
[10:02] <srn> :D
[10:02] <slappy15> :(
[10:02] <slappy15> anyone..
[10:02] <slappy15> i dont wanna source
[10:03] <slappy15> i apt-get'd every db package
[10:03] <srn> ..
[10:03] <slappy15> nuttin
[10:03] <srn> not berkeley :D?
[10:03] <slappy15> its drivin me nuts
[10:03] <slappy15> i see libdb*.so in /lib
[10:03] <orospakr> berkeleydb sucks. :(
[10:03] <slappy15> ld.so.conf is good...
[10:03] <slappy15> i read the config..and its lookin for a stupid dir..
[10:03] <slappy15> bah
[10:03] <yogui_> someone could give me dns server adress please ?
[10:03] <orospakr> I hate having to rescue my subversion repositories ever few months because berkeley db decided it would take a sabbatical.
[10:03] <orhs> i have executed the following command: ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/bcmwl5.inf but it says that the file is already installed... what do i do now??
[10:03] <srn> u can install berkeleydb thru cpan i think
[10:04] <slappy15> lol
[10:04] <slappy15> perl -MCPAN -e shell
[10:04] <srn> orhs, make ndiswrapper write modprobe config
[10:04] <slappy15> alright
[10:04] <srn> orhs, and modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:04] <slappy15> i dont think its bitchin about a perl module, thou
[10:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm trying out 3DDesktop... How can I run a program with a key-combo?
[10:08] <Marble2> what is gconfd
[10:09] <FlyingSquirrel32> I would like to have a certain program run when I press the windows key
[10:09] <srn> gnome config daemon
[10:10] <slappy15> the deb way of installing BerkeleyDB from sleepycat. -> http://www.sleepycat.com/blogs/bdb-xml/archives/2003/05/27/10.53.17/
[10:10] <slappy15> stupid cfengine
[10:10] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: have you tried the usual desktop swtiching keys?
[10:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us: and those are...
[10:11] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: ctrl+alt+left or right arrow
[10:12] <srn> :D
[10:12] <srn> ctrl+alt+backspace is a speedhax :D
[10:12] <srn> gogo
[10:12] <mhess> does anyone know if there's a repository that has Luminocity?
[10:12] <Marble2> how can I view info about a proccess by process number?
[10:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us: cool, didn't know that was there. now how could I get a key combo to run a particular prog?
[10:12] <srn> Marble2, ps aux|grep pid
[10:12] <srn> :D?
[10:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us:I've used CTRL-ALT Bksp
[10:13] <tritium> Marble2, for example, if you want to know the pid of esd, "pgrep esd"
[10:13] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: System | Preferences | Keyboard Shortcuts
[10:14] <benja> when i unplug the batery of my notebook, the batery applet still shows its AC powered.... how can i fix it ? im running hoary
[10:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us: Great! Thanks.
[10:14] <mishof> omg, i try to print in GAIM but it prints out 1000 blank pages :|
[10:14] <mishof> any ideas?
[10:14] <Andril> hello all
[10:14] <mishof> gaim = gimp lol
[10:14] <srn> :D
[10:14] <srn> it's props a problem with your printer driver .. had kinda same problem with mine ..
[10:15] <mishof> i scanned something really important, and i need to print it full scale, only gimp can do that but it only shoots blank pages
[10:15] <srn> rtfm again and double check everything
[10:15] <anto9us> mishof: maybe your page isn't set up properly, or your printer
[10:15] <mishof> srn, my printer works fine
[10:15] <mishof> :(
[10:15] <srn> also with other applications than gimp?
[10:15] <orhs> Installed ndis drivers:
[10:15] <orhs> bcmwl5  invalid driver!   hmm what shak i do with this?????
[10:15] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us: but that won't let you run a particular command. only choose shortcuts for built-in actions.
[10:16] <anto9us> orhs: you need bcmwl5a.inf
[10:16] <Andril> does anyone know when Beagle is going to be added to the repositories?
[10:16] <mishof> srn, only gimp does this
[10:16] <srn> oh don't know then
[10:16] <anto9us> orhs: you know you should private message someone without requesting first?
[10:17] <Adyeths> I just tried the hoary livecd. it didn't detect my modem device so I was unable to connect to the internet with it. Its a us robotics 56k fax modem. works in mandrake 10.1 which I want to stop using. Any ideas on how to go about fixing this problem?
[10:17] <Adyeths> I plan on installing ubuntu if I can get this little issue fixed.
[10:17] <quiet> hrm..  warty automatically recognized my notebook battery and worked with it.. hoary is not..  do i need to do something??
[10:18] <DragoraN> why i cant switch to virtual console from Xwindow system?
[10:18] <Fackamato> control+alt+f1
[10:20] <_dockane_> does anybody use iscan from epkowa ?
[10:22] <Necrosan> When a system is getting disk timeout errors (hard disk) multiple times with different disks
[10:22] <Necrosan> What could the culprit be?
[10:23] <_kp> how can I check if I have installed a kernel scanner module?
[10:23] <_kp> Thanks
[10:23] <ThomasWinwood> Necrosan: The cable?
[10:23] <DragoraN> Fackamato: its now working
[10:24] <DragoraN> Fackamato: its not working
[10:24] <Raskall> anyone knows any mysql-script that translates all content from iso-8859-1 to unicode?
[10:24] <Necrosan> ThomasWinwood: Oh shit
[10:24] <Necrosan> what a good fucking idea
[10:24] <Necrosan> thanks
[10:25] <TQuid> Hallo!
[10:25] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: you can set custom commands with Applications | System Tools | Configuration Editor in /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands
[10:25] <TQuid> How do I get going with character composition in X?
[10:26] <DragoraN> can help some1?
[10:26] <_kp> hi there, anyone who has experience with scanners installation?
[10:27] <anto9us> TQuid: what do you mean by character composition?
[10:29] <matt75005> anyone know the best way to use ndiswrapper with a warty liveCD that doesn't have it?
[10:29] <TQuid> anto9us:  I just had the brainwave of using Google Linux.  At any rate, I mean mapping a key to the old Compose key, so I can generate extended Roman letters.
[10:32] <anto9us> matt75005: maybe you can download the source from the ndiswrapper website and use that? I guess you'll need the headers and sources for you kernel in order to compile it though.
[10:32] <flame> hola
[10:34] <sbcl3> i want to install some windows fonts (verdana and others)...can I place .ttf files in a certain directory to install them?
[10:34] <sbcl3> where is the folder where fonts are located?
[10:34] <mindmedic> matt75005, maybe try another livecd... i don't use any but according to forums mepis and the new knoppix are very good
[10:35] <_dockane_> sbc try 'locate *.ttf'
[10:35] <yogui_> i've a problem (again) : my interfaces file is properly configured but when i restart my computer, i don't have eth0 configured... someone have and idea ?
[10:36] <matt75005> anto9us: i have it but am having trouble with that - it's not exactly automatic so i'm working on it. wanted to know if anybody had successfully done it
[10:36] <sbcl3> anyone know where fonts are located?
[10:37] <matt75005> mindmedic: that might be my next step. or i might just install it. i like warty though - except for not having wifi
[10:37] <whizack> anyone have any suggestions on how i can fix mixer_applet2 in gnome? it keeps segfaulting on me, i have only alsa support compiled into the kernel, do i need to recompile with oss support for it to function or is there another applet i should use that has alsa support?
[10:38] <dell500> is there a way to resize XMMS's Playlist when it's off the screen??
[10:38] <anto9us> matt75005: I'm using ndiswrapper with hoarty install, don't know about warty live cd, have you tried hoarty live cd?
[10:39] <eob84> I get a error while running rhythmbox...  coult not create audio output element
[10:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us, just saw your message about mapping the keys. I'm running gnome, not metacity, besides, once I put the command in the key, how do I assign it a key?
[10:40] <yogui_> redoxx tu parles francais, tu peux peut etre m'aider ;-)
[10:40] <redoxx> oui pourquoi pas
[10:40] <yogui_> ;-)
[10:40] <whizack> FlyingSquirrel32, metacity is gnome.
[10:40] <yogui_> j'ai un probleme de config sur mon eth0
[10:40] <ivoks> bye
[10:40] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: metacity is a component of gnome
[10:40] <sbcl3> no one knows where fonts are kept?
[10:40] <yogui_> g bien rempli le fichier interfaces
[10:40] <yogui_> mais quand je reboot y'a plus rien de config
[10:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> whizack, okay...  then how would I assign a keystrock to the command I inserted into the key there?
[10:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> keystroke^
[10:41] <yogui_> redoxx : tu as une ide ?
[10:42] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: you can do that in the next apps/metacity/window_keybindings/
[10:43] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: sorry, make that global_keybindings
[10:44] <eob84> I have a question about rhthym box
[10:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> yeah, I caught that. Thanks.
[10:45] <Levander> This gam_server thing that's part of ubuntu-desktop is eating up my CPU.  Anyway to restart it?
[10:45] <Levander> Interestingly, gam_server shows up under top, but not under System Monitor.
[10:46] <ndlovu> OpenOffice.org suddenly doesn't start on my Hoary. The splash screen appears, followed by a cryptic error message: "The application cannot be started. RegisterServices, configureUcb". When I click OK, the process soffice.bin starts taking up about 90% of CPU resources. Anyone have an idea where to start debugging something like this?
[10:46] <Kawa> yogui_ tried  network-admin in the bash?
[10:47] <WeirdAl> What's the command to install rpm
[10:47] <Levander> ndlovu: I'd just try removing and reinstall the app.  When you remove, make sure to use the --purge option, to get rid of all the config files where you problem I'm guessing is.
[10:47] <yogui_> kawa: i don't know what is it
[10:48] <anto9us> WeirdAl: I think it's alien
[10:48] <Levander> WeirdAl: you know ubuntu uses debs? not rpms? there's some alien program though to convert between the two if you really want to install an rpm.  No rpms are directly built for an ubuntu system though, so I avoid them.
[10:48] <yogui_> Kawa: just understand
[10:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us; Awsome! It works. Thanks!
[10:48] <yogui_> kawa: yes i tried network admin
[10:48] <WeirdAl> Oh, I'll just build from source then
[10:48] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: well done :)
[10:48] <yogui_> kawa: could you help me ?
[10:49] <ndlovu> Levander: what would be the commandline then? apt-get remove openoffice --purge?
[10:49] <WeirdAl> is a tbz the same as a tar.bz?
[10:49] <Kawa> yogui_ mhh mhh mhh : if i understand you properly (my french is very bad, sorry) your problem is that your network config passes away when you shut down your pc , right?
[10:49] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: I should warn you not to alter anything with the configuration editor unless you know what it does, you can easily break gnome with that
[10:49] <Levander> ndlovu: not sure if it matters or not, but I think the --purge comes before the package name, and you do gotta use sudo
[10:49] <yogui_> Kawa:yes
[10:50] <ndlovu> Levander: will give that a shot. thanks
[10:50] <yogui_> Kawa:before rebooting all worked perfectly
[10:51] <Kawa> yogui_ ok i have to rethink how this stuff works . i think ihad this problem aqhile under debian. one sec please
[10:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> I can imagine, reminds me of regedit.
[10:51] <ignis> are there any synce packages for gnome in ubuntu? I can't seem to find them (though the kde ones are certainly there)
[10:52] <yogui_> kawa: it's debian ;-)
[10:52] <candyban> Hi guys ... is it just me or are other people experiencing problems with (k)ubuntu? (stability wise I mean)
[10:52] <yogui_> kawa: but i work on ubuntu here
[10:52] <Kawa> yogui_ yes indeed, i meant straight debian ;)
[10:52] <sbcman> candy...I have not had any problems
[10:53] <candyban> I haven't had any of these problems in Debian (switched about 1,5 months ago)
[10:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us, don't know if I told you, but I got 3DDesktop to run when I hit the "windows" key. It looks sweet!
[10:53] <tritium> ignis, yes, mostly in universe.  "apt-cache search synce" to find them, assuming you've enabled universe
[10:53] <Kawa> yogui_ what about your network card [  lspci -n]  is it directly compiled into the kernel or a module , and the most important is it loaded automatically?
[10:53] <sbcl3> how do i mount a fat32 partition on hda2?
[10:53] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: yeah, nice eye candy :)
[10:53] <candyban> sbcman: the problem is that it just locked up a few minutes ago ... I have the same at work (completely different machine)
[10:54] <yogui_> kawa:how to know this ?
[10:54] <Kawa> sbcl3 mount /dev/hda2 /mn/yourmountpoint
[10:54] <FlyingSquirrel32> now, I need to kill a process that doesn't appear in top, how can I get a complete list?
[10:54] <candyban> sbcman: actually the one at work is even worse as I can't login anymore with my regular account ... It just freezes (both kde and gnome)
[10:54] <Kawa> yogui_ you ever loaded the module by hand?
[10:54] <ignis> tritium: yeah, but there doesn't seem to be anything gnome speific in there.. On the synce website it says theres a gnome panel applet available
[10:54] <sbcman> nope..have not had that problem at all
[10:54] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: have you tried the ps command?
[10:54] <yogui_> wich module ? sory i'm beginner ...
[10:54] <anto9us> FlyingSquirrel32: try ps aux | grep <pattern>
[10:55] <tritium> or use pgrep
[10:55] <orhs> hey everyone.... i got a problem
[10:56] <Kawa> yogui_ ok then its allright. i just thought it might be possible that you had to load the module for the ethernet card by your hand at start. then it had been easy to wright an init script .. ok lets go on  : )
[10:56] <candyban> Is 2.6.9+ considered "unstable" (as in not stable)?
[10:56] <yogui_> kawa: i follow you
[10:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> anto9us, actually, just "ps -C progname" then I took the ID and used kill. Thanks again
[10:57] <jbm__> candyban according to kernel.org -> "The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.11.8"
[10:57] <candyban> I ran 2.6.5 on Debian without hassle ... can't keep my systems running for more than 2 weeks with 2.6.10/2.6.11
[10:57] <slappy15> bummer
[10:57] <slappy15> you know unix?
[10:58] <slappy15> that halt command's a bitch
[10:58] <hans_> is there a program to overclock the cpu on ubuntu?
[10:58] <S1lence> anyone here have prob
[10:58] <Kawa> yogui_ please join the channel #rr   there you can post your config files in order to not disturb the others
[10:58] <candyban> jbm__: To my regrets I must say Windows is running more stable than Linux (perhaps it's just (k)Ubuntu?)
[10:58] <S1lence> s with mpg and avi playback?
[10:59] <S1lence> h
[10:59] <S1lence> ans: t
[10:59] <S1lence> he progra
[10:59] <S1lence> m
[10:59] <S1lence> 
[10:59] <S1lence> i
[10:59] <S1lence> s called
[10:59] <S1lence> the bios
[10:59] <slappy15> lol
[10:59] <hans_> ;) funny
[10:59] <slappy15> or jumpers
[10:59] <S1lence> sorry about t
[10:59] <S1lence> he scrolling :)
[10:59] <slappy15> jerk
[10:59] <slappy15> ;)
[10:59] <S1lence> jumpers...yeh a few yrs ago...but why bother nowadays
[11:00] <jbm__> candyban what seems to bring your system down so fast?
[11:00] <slappy15> ya..
[11:00] <S1lence> so who wants to help me with my video problem...lol
[11:00] <slappy15> pebkac
[11:00] <candyban> jbm__: dunno ... at work just loggin in does the trick ... just a few minutes ago I did "apt-cache search" and it froze on me
[11:01] <slappy15> any PEBKAC's in here?
[11:01] <anto9us> S1lence: the general format is, you ask your question and if someone knows they'll answer it
[11:01] <devnul1> G'Day
[11:01] <orhs> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto i have succsessfully completed step 1-6 but when i come to "installing windows drivers" it stops...
[11:02] <devnul1> whats the question?
[11:02] <oladola> hello
[11:02] <jbm__> candyban ya sometime i think all this new rage about latest versions of everything MUST be running on my boxen attitude will have us all hitting reset alot more for a while yet
[11:02] <slappy15> im having a id-ten-T error in syslog
[11:02] <sarom> Breaking News: Blair Re-elected
[11:02] <devnul1> slappy15: nice
[11:02] <devnul1> sarom: lol
[11:02] <S1lence> ok...i got my nvidia drivers working....i installed all of my codecs...but no matter what app i use...i cant play any mpegs or avi files
[11:02] <oladola> I need to configure my squid to access to internet by my proxy from a PC which is on the outside of my LAN ...
[11:02] <anto9us> slappy15: take your computer back to the shop and tell them you're too s2pid to own it
[11:02] <Tux-Rox> Anyone here have beagle running on Hoary?
[11:02] <TSWoodV> slappy15: I recommend a (1) fast fdisking of your drive and (2) a swift smacking upside your head! ;-)
[11:03] <jordanau> sarom, heading to fark.com thanks
[11:03] <devnul1> Silverter: I bealive thats because the codec for MPG's are not distributed with Ubuntu
[11:03] <S1lence> id ten t? id10t
[11:03] <S1lence> so funny....i forgot to laugh
[11:03] <slappy15> i should hang mysefl w/ my powercord
[11:03] <jordanau> ...
[11:03] <slappy15> really? darn
[11:03] <sarom> lol
[11:03] <sarom> don't
[11:03] <devnul1> Silverter: if you want AVI then you can so a search for avifile and download the win32 codec binaries, and also using the xine-ui package is always a good idea
[11:04] <chavo> slappy15, make sure you post pics.
[11:04] <sarom> CNN is saying these are exit polls... but still.. very accurate
[11:04] <slappy15> you guys must not sysadmin
[11:04] <jbm__> S1lence try apt-get install totem-xine
[11:04] <jordanau> Tux-Rox, is that the search thingy?
[11:04] <candyban> jbm__: I don't need the latest version of everything ... Like I said before I ran Ubuntu, I ran sid (with 2.6.5) and it hardly ever crashed on me ... perhaps it's xorg or the kernel ... or the newer versions of gnome/kde ... however userland apps should not be able to take down the system ...
[11:04] <Tux-Rox> jordanau, yes
[11:04] <devnul1> slappy15: ???? you guys must not sysadmin? you must not english, you must engrish!
[11:04] <candyban> dunno exactly where xorg resides
[11:04] <jordanau> Tux-Rox, on the forums there is a new howto on it
[11:04] <Kisain> sorry to interupt but you all gots ta check this out! http://media.ebaumsworld.com/beatbox.wmv
[11:04] <sbcl3> kawa: thank you very, very much
[11:05] <sbcl3> i successfully mounted it
[11:05] <orhs> i got some questions but what iam about to post is big so if someone can msg me ill ask my question
[11:05] <Tux-Rox> yes, and I have it installed. I just can't seem to get it to index media files or documents.
[11:05] <anto9us> orhs: did you type ndiswrapper -i <path to your bcmwl5a.inf>  ?
[11:06] <slappy15> devnul1: wtf are you babbling about?
[11:06] <hans_> is fglrx faster than the ATI Proprietary Linux Driver?
[11:06] <Rocha> Hello
[11:06] <holycow> fglrx is the proprietary driver i think?
[11:06] <jordanau> orhs, use pastepin if necessary
[11:06] <jordanau> pastepin/pastebin
[11:06] <Rocha> What is the name that i must use in synaptic to update to the latest ubuntu?
[11:06] <jordanau> Rocha, hi
[11:06] <slappy15> was that a derogatory statement?
[11:07] <devnul1> s/pastepin/pastebin/ :P
[11:07] <Rocha> i'm using hoary and i need to update a program.
[11:07] <benja> where can i ask for help for the Battery Charge Monitor applet
[11:07] <devnul1> Rocha: feel free to :)
[11:07] <slappy15> wow, you can regex?
[11:07] <devnul1> slappy15: indeed
[11:07] <slappy15> you're elite
[11:07] <Rocha> devnul1, what's the new name?
[11:07] <holycow> i can ftp
[11:07] <holycow> am i elite too?
[11:08] <slappy15> sure
[11:08] <holycow> yey!
[11:08] <slappy15> no smiting here
[11:08] <holycow> -_-
[11:08] <devnul1> holycow: only if you use SSL with it too :)
[11:08] <slappy15> you got the look down
[11:08] <holycow> devnul1, lol :)
[11:09] <devnul1> holycow: getting your password sniffed for your elite FTP site is not fun
[11:09] <sbcl3> it seems that only root can edit files in this hard drive mount
[11:09] <sbcl3> how do i change the permissions of /mnt/documents from the root terminal?
[11:09] <holycow> devnul1, heh, *nod*
[11:09] <Veedo> chmod 777
[11:09] <bodaciousb> hey guys, ive written a simple iso mount script.... how do i integrate that in the right click menu... like, i right click and iso file and go to mount -> /media/iso0
[11:09] <bodaciousb> what file do i edit to add that?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> can I have feedback? http://img161.echo.cx/img161/6384/filecopydialogtest5yx.png
[11:10] <devnul1> Veedo: chmod -R 7777 / !!!!
[11:10] <devnul1> bodaciousb: *shrugs*
[11:10] <devnul1> well I am off :)
[11:10] <Veedo> -R?  I've only used FC3...  Just thought I'd stop by because I'm installing it.
[11:10] <devnul1> see you guys!
[11:11] <jordanau> sbcl3, do what they said if you want full rwx permissions for everyone
[11:11] <bodaciousb> devnul1, hehe i know thats a hard one
[11:11] <bodaciousb> devnul1, but that menu cant be to hard to edit...
[11:12] <devnul1> bodaciousb: its probably done in XML like the rest of gnome2 config :) (or is that just gconf, I dont remember)
[11:12] <bodaciousb> devnul1, ok..... bob2 will know that one
[11:12] <orhs> can someone help me???  my ndiswrapper is haveing a problem finding/installing  bcmwl5.inf file
[11:12] <devnul1> bodaciousb: I sure hope so for your sake :) then again you could always google it
[11:13] <tux0010> howdy!
[11:13] <tux0010> i just installed ubuntu yesterday
[11:13] <devnul1> bye bye!
[11:13] <bodaciousb> yeah, but i really dont know what to look for
[11:13] <devnul1> tux0010: w00t!
[11:13] <tux0010> it is really nice :)
[11:13] <jordanau> Tux-Rox, congrats
[11:13] <bodaciousb> in windows its integrating itno the shell... but linux i have no idea =(
[11:13] <tux0010> i switched first from slack to arch and now to ubuntu
[11:13] <sbcl3> jordanau: chmod 777 changes permissions for everyone?
[11:13] <tux0010> i relly like it
[11:13] <devnul1> bodaciousb: goto gnome.org and look at the documentation or FAQ or both :)
[11:13] <bodaciousb> devnul1, will do
[11:13] <orhs> can someone help me???
[11:13] <devnul1> tux0010: arch?
[11:13] <tux0010> i wanted to compile a custom kernel - optimized with the ck patchset
[11:13] <tux0010> arch linux
[11:13] <Rocha> What's the name of the new ubuntu?
[11:13] <jbm__> orhs whats up?
[11:14] <jordanau> yeah read man chmod for understanding of the numbers
[11:14] <tritium> Rocha, hoary is the latest
[11:14] <Rocha> tritium, yes, but there is already one in development
[11:14] <jordanau> sbcl3, if you dont get it ask me and i will explain it
[11:14] <tux0010> i was wondering if I had to do anything special to compile a custom patched kernel
[11:14] <tritium> Rocha, that's breezy
[11:14] <orhs> jbm, my ndiswrapper has problems installing bcmwl5.inf file...
[11:14] <Rocha> tritium, thanks
[11:14] <devnul1> tux0010: yes you do :)
[11:14] <tux0010> because I am seeing a framerate slowdown from archlinux to ubuntu kernel....about a good 700 fps
[11:14] <devnul1> tux0010: you need to debianise your self
[11:14] <tux0010> devnul1, please could you help me out or point me to a good walkthrough?
[11:15] <tux0010> devnul1, lol
[11:15] <devnul1> tux0010: there is a wiki at ubuntu to install ATI or NVIDIA drivers
[11:15] <oladola> how could I try  to proof if my squid is running successfully ???
[11:15] <tux0010> devnul1, will that explain how to compile it myself?
[11:15] <orhs> jbm__,  my ndiswrapper has problems installing bcmwl5.inf file...
[11:15] <devnul1> oladola: connect to it :)
[11:15] <tux0010> devnul1, because I know the normal procedure
[11:16] <orhs> jbm__,  my ndiswrapper has problems installing bcmwl5.inf file...
[11:16] <devnul1> tux0010: you shouldnt need to compile it, it install the binaries for you and then you may need to eidt your xorg.conf file
[11:16] <mmichelli> hello, i'm installing netbeans and it's asking me where the j2se directory is. Where is it? I've just loaded the system and followed yhe instructions: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:16] <oladola> devnul1: how ?
[11:16] <tux0010> devnul1, i know :) i am already running it
[11:16] <devnul1> tux0010: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:16] <orhs> man i need help....
[11:16] <devnul1> ok well I am going now!  bye bye
[11:16] <orhs> bye
[11:17] <tux0010> devnul1, i want a kernel as fast as gentoos - with all the optimizations
[11:17] <devnul1> tux0010: then download it :)  use the synapise packagemanagement system :)
[11:17] <sbcl3> i typed "cd /mnt/documents"
[11:17] <sbcl3> then "chmod 777"
[11:17] <tux0010> devnull, also, my 2D acceleration is sluggish with my nvidia card
[11:17] <orhs> any1 got a broadcom BCM4309 Wifi card????
[11:17] <sbcl3> and it says "too few arguments"
[11:18] <jordanau> sbcl3, you want to type chmod 777 /mnt/documents
[11:18] <tritium> sbcl3, you need to include what file(s) you want to apply it too
[11:18] <_dockane_> has anybody tryed slide scanning under linux ?
[11:18] <sbcl3> jordanau: thankyou
[11:18] <jordanau> sbcl3, remember you can always type chmod -h or --help to see the way it wants input
[11:18] <oladola>  /etc/init.d/squid restart decode_addr: unsafe IP address: '0.0.0.0.0'
[11:18] <tux0010> there is a file called "xorgsetup" which properly detects my refresh rates, etc
[11:18] <anto9us> orhs: yes, I'm using it as we speak :)
[11:18] <quiet> hey guys.. my battery meter isn't working on hoary...and i have no /proc/acpi folder...  did i do something wrong??
[11:19] <tux0010> do ya'll know where i can find it?
[11:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> Anyone ever heard of connecting a pocket pc to linux/ubuntu?
[11:19] <sbcl3> that's odd...the premissions are still drwxr-xr-x
[11:19] <sbcl3> its still owned by root and others can't write
[11:19] <jordanau> orhs, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=ndiswrapper
[11:20] <jordanau> orhs, have you tried that already???
[11:20] <quiet> FlyingSquirrel32, yes..  i've never used it.. but its there.. i forget what it's called..  SuSE installs it by default..
[11:20] <tritium> tux0010, you want to use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:20] <blueyed> Can anyone recommend me a mail server setup (internet use, 3 domains at first)?
[11:20] <jordanau> sbcl3, did you do it as sudo?
[11:20] <tux0010> tritium, will that get that binary for me?
[11:20] <tritium> tux0010, what binary are you referring to?
[11:20] <sbcl3> jordanau: i did it in the root terminal
[11:21] <oladola> does anybody know why I have this error restarting squid ???  /etc/init.d/squid restart decode_addr: unsafe IP address: '0.0.0.0.0'
[11:21] <tux0010> tritium, xorgsetup
[11:21] <tux0010> i found it in slackware
[11:22] <tritium> tux0010, no, use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" instead
[11:22] <quiet> okay.. i was mistaken..i do have a /proc/acpi folder and I do have /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/ but i keeps saying present:   no
[11:22] <tux0010> thanks
[11:22] <tux0010> i will give it a shot
[11:22] <FlyingSquirrel32> quiet: thanks.. I'll look itno that.
[11:22] <tux0010> brb
[11:22] <quiet> i have done googling wihtout much help
[11:22] <tux0010> i'll be back in 5 mins
[11:22] <quiet> FlyingSquirrel32, it's just like ActiveSync for windows
[11:23] <jordanau> sbcl3, do you want everything in the folder to be completely read write execute?
[11:23] <sbcl3> yes
[11:23] <GarySaved> Is there a central program of some sort that could make none of the Open Office suite run?
[11:23] <jordanau> then add -R to the line you are executing
[11:23] <mistrall> hi
[11:24] <jordanau> mistrall, hi
[11:24] <mistrall> ehm... i have linux for about 0,5 year
[11:24] <Fish-Face> Hey guys, I was here earlier with a network card that won't activate on boot up. It still won't - I've just deleted the locations in Networking, and the auto wlan0 is back at the bottom of /etc/network/interfaces
[11:24] <Fish-Face> What gives? :P
[11:24] <mistrall> i'm interested in installing ubuntu...
[11:24] <cao30> gnome-panel keeps coredumping on me whenever I hit Alt-F2, any hints?
[11:24] <sbcl3> jordanau: "chmod: cannot access `777': No such file or directory"
[11:25] <sbcl3> does -r go after the directory or after 777?
[11:25] <GarySaved> When I click on any of the Open Office programs, my mouse says busy for a moment, then nothing happens.
[11:25] <tritium> sbcl3, did you read the manpage for chmod?
[11:25] <jordanau> sbcl3, you need to read the man pages
[11:25] <mello> GarySaved: try typing in Openoffice in a terminal
[11:26] <Fish-Face> Ideally, I could do with knowing what goes on behind the scenes on bootup concerning networking, and what role the Networking configurator plays
[11:26] <jordanau> mistrall, what do you want to know?
[11:26] <mistrall> it's only 1 cd installation, will i find there everything needed for compiling programs ?
[11:26] <mistrall> not all libraries
[11:26] <tritium> mistrall, install build-essential
[11:26] <mistrall> but
[11:27] <mistrall> ok... i'll check it :)
[11:27] <GarySaved> mello: It says the Open Office user files are missing.
[11:27] <sbcl3> whoops...i did a lowercase r and not a capital r
[11:27] <jordanau> sbcl3, did it work?
[11:27] <tritium> Fish-Face, have you tried editing /etc/network/interfaces yourself?  Also, "man interfaces"
[11:28] <Fish-Face> Yes, but so far to no avail
[11:28] <tritium> Fish-Face, I even sent you a copy of my own interfaces file.  You never replied.
[11:28] <GarySaved> Mello:  How would I fix that manually?
[11:28] <sbcl3> jordanau: i got no error messages, but the folder properties remain the same
[11:28] <mello> umm
[11:28] <mindspore> I cannot get sound to play in firefox, can anyone help/
[11:28] <mello> try opening up syaptic package manager
[11:29] <Fish-Face> Oh, BTW, is the gksudo bug known where, if you type (e.g.) "gksudo gedit file.ext" it tries to open 'file.ext' quotes included
[11:29] <tritium> use sudo gedit file.ext
[11:29] <jordanau> sbcl3, what is the name of the folder you are trying to change the permissions of again?
[11:29] <Fish-Face> tritium, of course, but gksudo is useful
[11:29] <sbcl3> /mnt/documents
[11:29] <Fish-Face> tritium, I never got the file you mention...
[11:29] <jordanau> type cd /mnt
[11:29] <mello> GarySaved: try opening syaptic package manager and searching for openoffice
[11:29] <mello> experiment around with that
[11:29] <V21> I'm currently trying the 5.04 Live CD for the first time... Anyone know of any nice themes... The defaults are nice, but I'd like something better...
[11:29] <Fish-Face> or, never noticed... my bad!
[11:29] <mello> it should install by default on hoary
[11:30] <quiet> okay.. i added acpi=force and apm=on to my kernel boot line and now the battery is seen.. as 100% charged... but it never says it's actually running on battery when it is..
[11:30] <V21> http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=142 < Something like that...
[11:30] <dave_> anyone know how I can use gnome-pilot to install files on my handheld. I see that it has a conduit for that purpose
[11:31] <jordanau> V21, gnomeart and freshmeat have plenty of good gnome themes
[11:31] <isaac_> ive had a botched install, the install seemed to hang during the post config with a postscript fonts package
[11:31] <GarySaved> Mello:  I did that.  I uninstalled the entire suite, and had it remove the configuration files.  I just re-installed it, and no-go.
[11:31] <isaac_> is there a way to restart the post install program ?
[11:31] <mindspore> I cannot get sound to play in firefox, can anyone help?
[11:31] <battledragun> how do i turn a source package into a .deb?
[11:31] <GarySaved> Do you know what the package would be for a dpkg-reconfigure ?
[11:32] <mello> yikes
[11:32] <mello> that's as far as i can go, sorry
[11:32] <jordanau> sbcl3, if you have done that type ls -l
[11:32] <Kisain> are there viruses for linux?
[11:32] <LinuxNIT-> is there a way to scan for network printers in ubuntu
[11:32] <tux0010> i'm back
[11:32] <^thehatsrule^> ofc there is Kisain
[11:32] <jordanau> mindspore, close all programs that make sound including mozilla then go to terminal and type killall esd
[11:32] <sbcl3> jordanau: here are the first two lines (these are folders):
[11:32] <sbcl3> drwxr-xr-x   6 root root   16384 2005-05-02 23:38 Ebooks
[11:32] <sbcl3> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root   16384 2005-05-02 23:38 Finances
[11:32] <sbcl3> -
[11:32] <tux0010> I see tearing across my screen
[11:32] <Kisain> what are my chances of getting one?
[11:33] <tux0010> for example if I am running firefox maximized
[11:33] <tux0010> when I minimize it, I see a sluggish thinggie
[11:33] <mindspore> jordanau: does that include x-chat?
[11:33] <jordanau> sbcl3, those are in your /mnt directory???
[11:33] <Veedo> jordanau, my IM (I tihnk) steals sound
[11:33] <tux0010> i don't that that used to happen in arch linux or slackware
[11:33] <jordanau> mindspore, no
[11:33] <sbcl3> jordanau: yes
[11:33] <Veedo> does that work for anything?  TO fix the sound?
[11:33] <tux0010> my only guess is that my refresh rates weren't configured properly
[11:33] <mindspore> cool, worked
[11:34] <V21> Is it possible to temporarily install stuff when working on a Live CD?
[11:34] <mindspore> jordanau: is there anyway to fix that besides typing killall esd all the time?
[11:34] <jordanau> mindspore, if you find a solution, let me know :)
[11:34] <mindspore> hehe, k
[11:35] <jordanau> mindspore, i havent searched too much for help on it, supposedly there is info about it on the restrictedformats wiki but it didnt help me
[11:35] <tux0010> please can anyone help me out?
[11:35] <mcquaid> anyone play with freenx here?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> jordanau, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:35] <sbcl3> jordanau: they can't be in the /mnt/ directory?
[11:36] <GarySaved> Does anyone know if installing Open Office 2 willl mess up Open Office 1 ?
[11:36] <jordanau> Burgundavia, yeah thats it, it didnt help me
[11:36] <Veedo> mindspore, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/308965
[11:36] <jordanau> sbcl3, that is just an odd place
[11:36] <graabein> guess whos got glx working!? 6000 fps!!
[11:36] <tux0010> I have another question
[11:36] <Burgundavia> jordanau, what do you need?
[11:36] <tux0010> I had read in a review that Hoary by default has set-up software mixing by dmix
[11:36] <sbcl3> jordanau: that seems like the proper place to mount a hdd partition
[11:36] <Kisain> whats glx?
[11:36] <tux0010> however when I try to run applications that use the same sounds at once, they dont' work
[11:36] <jordanau> Burgundavia, i was helping mindspore
[11:36] <tux0010> for example I can';t use skype unless I kill esd
[11:37] <Burgundavia> Tux-Rox, that is because skype is trying to directly access /dev/dsp
[11:37] <jordanau> Burgundavia, both of us have to killall esd to hear sound (ie flash) in firefox
[11:37] <Burgundavia> tux0010, even
[11:37] <mcquaid> ya i don't think software mixing is set up by default
[11:37] <Burgundavia> jordanau, there is another fix
[11:37] <Veedo> yuo can edit the /etc/esound/esd.conf
[11:37] <Burgundavia> dmix is crack
[11:37] <Veedo> see the link
[11:37] <tux0010> Burgundavia, what should I change in esd.conf
[11:37] <Burgundavia> jordanau, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[11:38] <Burgundavia> tux0010, there are fixes, but I have never got them to work
[11:38] <Burgundavia> tux0010, I just the daemon and restart it when I am done
[11:38] <tux0010> it worked great for me in arch
[11:38] <tux0010> i think esd has to be compiled with alsa support
[11:38] <mcquaid> no it doesn't
[11:38] <tux0010> because I used to have that problem in slackwar
[11:38] <mcquaid> i have esd using alsa now
[11:38] <tux0010> ihmm
[11:38] <tux0010> how can I check ?
[11:39] <jordanau> Burgundavia, ln: `/usr/lib/libesd.so.1': File exists
[11:39] <abiertos> hello I want to know how I can get a root password in iMac power Pc with ubuntu
[11:40] <Nermal> no root account
[11:40] <Nermal> sudo su to get root
[11:40] <jordanau> abiertos, ubuntuguide,org look under sudo or toot
[11:40] <jordanau> haha toot.root
[11:40] <nosv> guay
[11:40] <abiertos> nop
[11:40] <nosv> el unico cristiano soy yo?
[11:40] <tritium> abiertos, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:40] <abiertos> nop
[11:40] <jordanau> sbcl3, get it fixed?
[11:40] <abiertos> Im christian too
[11:41] <battledragun> how do you install a .deb package on your hard drive?
[11:41] <nosv> ok
[11:41] <tritium> battledragun, dpkg -i <file.deb>
[11:41] <jordanau> battledragun, dpkg
[11:41] <nosv> alguien me puede ayudar
[11:41] <Burgundavia> jordanau, then you should have sound in flash
[11:41] <battledragun> thanks :0
[11:41] <tritium> nosv, #ubuntu-es
[11:41] <abiertos> tritium: the root account is enabled
[11:41] <Burgundavia> battledragun, but look in the repos first
[11:41] <tritium> abiertos, you enabled it, then
[11:41] <abiertos> tritium: yes
[11:41] <battledragun> Burgundavia: i did, version in repos is old
[11:41] <tritium> abiertos, ok
[11:41] <nosv> I want to know how to install apt in ubuntu
[11:41] <Nermal> abiertos: passwd root ?
[11:42] <tritium> nosv, apt is an integral part of ubuntu
[11:42] <abiertos> nermal: yes
[11:42] <Burgundavia> battledragun, what package?
[11:42] <Nermal> nosv: it is installed.. how else do you think packages got installed ?
[11:42] <battledragun> Burgundavia: ndiswrapper-1.1
[11:42] <abiertos> the problem is edit the boot's parameters before linux load
[11:42] <tux0010> i had to add the .asoundrc file myself
[11:42] <abiertos> this is a power pc
[11:42] <tux0010> for dmix to be used
[11:43] <Burgundavia> battledragun, ah
[11:43] <abiertos> if I could edit the kernel image without have it sudo enabled
[11:43] <Nermal> um
[11:43] <jordanau> bur[n] er, i do i just have to killall esd first
[11:43] <abiertos> I know how to do it in a normal pc
[11:44] <jordanau> Burgundavia, ^^ (the burner comment)
[11:44] <mcquaid> tux0010, so you've already got your .asoundrc file?
[11:44] <abiertos> tritium: any idea
[11:44] <GarySaved> Does anyone know what package name I would use to do a dpkg-reconfigure openoffice ?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> jordanau, not setting it
[11:45] <jordanau> Burgundavia, i am sorry i dont know what you mean
[11:45] <Scognito> hi all
[11:45] <jordanau> hi Scognito
[11:45] <tritium> abiertos, no, not for powerpc, sorry.
[11:45] <Scognito> is breezy the new devel ubuntu?
[11:45] <Scognito> hi jordanau
[11:45] <jordanau> Scognito, yes
[11:45] <Scognito> cool
[11:45] <Burgundavia> jordanau, you said burner comment and pointed up, and I said that I couldn't see it
[11:46] <abiertos> ok
[11:46] <Scognito> jordanau, some info avaiable on the official site'
[11:46] <GarySaved> If I try 'dpkg-reconfigure openoffice', it says it is not installed.
[11:46] <tritium> Garathor, "dpkg -l | grep openoffice" to see which openoffice packages you have installed, first of all.  Then try dpkg-reconfigure on one
[11:46] <battledragun> man... screw linux-wlan-ng, ndiswrapper is soo much easier to use
[11:46] <jordanau> Burgundavia, oh i said that i can hear flash fine, i just have to killall esd and get rid of any sound apps
[11:46] <GarySaved> tritium, Thanks
[11:46] <abiertos> tritium: the old tricks doesn't work in power pc
[11:46] <mcquaid> anyone here try freenx yet? having some problems with the client
[11:47] <jordanau> Burgundavia, dont even worry about it, my sound is SO broken from my screwing with it that it isnt worth trying to fix
[11:47] <tritium> GarySaved, note, you may need to export COLUMS=200, or some large value, to see the entire package name
[11:47] <Burgundavia> jordanau, ah
[11:47] <Burgundavia> jordanau, I jsut did that tweak and it worked
[11:48] <jordanau> Burgundavia, yeah it might have worked the day that i installed ubuntu, just not today after creating and editing a bunch of sound confs
[11:48] <tritium> GarySaved, you can also use synaptic to find out the names, but dpkg -l is easy too
[11:48] <Burgundavia> jordanau, right
[11:48] <themolest> is there a way to initate the second half of install (the part after the first restart) if it doesn't run by itself
[11:48] <Burgundavia> jordanau, why not to play with too many things
[11:48] <themolest> i installed, and its at a bash prompt
[11:48] <themolest> not graphical like expected
[11:48] <warty> what are some good music downloading programs
[11:49] <tritium> warty, legal, I hope?
[11:49] <jordanau> Burgundavia, yeah well i went from sound in warty and system sounds > no sound at all after trying to get multiple sounds > sound in apps and no system sounds. I can live with the latter.
[11:49] <HarrisonF> hi there, i have modified my PATH in my .bash_aliases, but when I sudo, it doesn't seem to like my PATH, how do I get sudo to use my PATH, or where should I put the PATH i want sudo to use?
[11:49] <Burgundavia> warty, bittorrent
[11:49] <icon_> trit -- doesn't it depend where you're from? :)
[11:50] <tritium> icon_, I don't know.  Is stealing legal somewhere?
[11:50] <mcquaid> ya in canada, i pay a levy on all blanks, they assume i'm pirating, and that levy only goes to musicians
[11:50] <mcquaid> of course no one is stealing movies,software
[11:51] <themolest> :)
[11:51] <jordanau> mcquaid, you mean on blank CD?!!!
[11:51] <Veedo> can somebody tell me how to add my dvdwrighter to cd-roast?
[11:51] <mcquaid> yep
[11:51] <Veedo> devhdcmediacdrecorder
[11:51] <MASoft> I find a very cool Comparison between linux and Windows ! (but unfortunately it contains Ubuntu and SuSE. not the main Debian) http://www.linux-dubai.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=44
[11:51] <brosio> anyone that have ubuntu amd64
[11:51] <jordanau> mcquaid, how much do they cost?
[11:51] <themolest> jordanau ya... they pay up the ass on cdr/dvdr levys
[11:51] <tritium> Veedo, have you tried graveman or gnomebaker instead?
[11:51] <brosio> could say to me if is alredy out amule2 ?
[11:51] <mcquaid> and on mp3 players with media, such as ipods
[11:51] <themolest> basicly, like taxes on top of retail price
[11:52] <Veedo> I'm in fc3 right now.  The only other one is called
[11:52] <mcquaid> it's not much, cds are still dirt cheap, but they want to raise it
[11:52] <Veedo> k3b
[11:52] <themolest> mcquaid not from what i hear
[11:52] <tritium> Veedo, in ubuntu graveman and gnomebaker are also available, and quite good
[11:52] <kaesehummer> k3b is a good cd burner
[11:52] <mcquaid> anyways, it was ruled it's legal to download music in canada, but uploading is infringing
[11:52] <jordanau> imagine a country with all of the world governments' dumbest laws...
[11:52] <Veedo> how do I add my device to it?
[11:52] <icon_> jord -- america?
[11:53] <tritium> they autodetect quite well, Veedo
[11:53] <mcquaid> survey says! america
[11:53] <jordanau> icon_, actually i am quite happy here, but lets not start a political debate
[11:53] <Veedo> the burning device drop down has nothing in it
[11:54] <nate_> yo
[11:54] <mcquaid> does freenx client require gtk1? cause the client is crapping out on me, but I haven't installed gtk1 stuff yet
[11:54] <oladola> squid doesn't work ... this is my basic squid.conf http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZKyDh510.html
[11:54] <warty> i am really bord
[11:54] <nate_> hallo
[11:54] <mcquaid> the error i get is Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
[11:55] <mcquaid> googled it but haven't found anything related or on the forums
[11:55] <icon_> curious though -- ubuntu seems to not mind my wacom tablet on default install, but it still doesn't work right. Are there any packages out there for wacom tablet support?
[11:55] <themolest> how does the ubuntu handle dual head setups?
[11:55] <themolest> during install by default
[11:55] <tritium> icon_, apt-cache search wacom
[11:55] <troy14> hello... i need help setting up mysql in webmin
[11:56] <themolest> maybe #webmin ?
[11:56] <troy14> when i try to start it in the terminal, i get an error.
[11:57] <MASoft> troy14, what conf. do u need ?
[11:58] <MASoft> troy14, which error ? could u write it ?
[11:58] <troy14> MASoft, I just need to be able to use the webmin on this machine and have it work. I am pretty new to debian distros, and while I like it, I need this to be functional.
[11:59] <troy14> i could reprint it... hang on.
[11:59] <troy14> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'