[12:02] <Tm_T> nate_: really? tell me more please
[12:02] <smouche> kkathman, where you at dude?
[12:02] <Tm_T> I really wan't to know
[12:02] <Kisain> Tm_T i'll paste to you in a pm is that ok?
[12:02] <Tm_T> Kisain: no need to
[12:03] <Kisain> To install using the gui, just startup "setup.sh"
[12:03] <Tm_T> Kisain: I guess what it includes
[12:03] <Tm_T> Kisain: then do so
[12:03] <Kisain> whats the command?
[12:03] <Kisain> just setup.sh?
[12:03] <Tm_T> "setup.sh"
[12:03] <Kisain> ok
[12:03] <Tm_T> =)
[12:03] <Kisain> you rock man
[12:03] <Tm_T> Kisain: have to say, that's too easy, really
[12:04] <Kisain> says command not found :/
[12:05] <Tm_T> ehh, try "./setup.sh"
[12:05] <Kisain> it may seem so but i'm thinking otherwize lol
[12:05] <Kisain> ok
[12:06] <Kisain> bingo!
[12:06] <Tm_T> haha
[12:06] <Tm_T> simple
[12:06] <Kisain> yup!
[12:06] <Kisain> awsome man
[12:06] <Tm_T> Kisain: you got that easy way this time
[12:07] <nate_> Tm_T: I peed
[12:07] <nate_> Tm_T: is that the past tense for pee, peed?
[12:07] <Kisain> now i gotta figure out how to run it
[12:07] <Kisain> lol
[12:07] <Tm_T> nate_: I think
[12:07] <nate_> Tm_T: well thats what i did then
[12:07] <smouche> what is all this potty talk on here? ;)
[12:08] <Tm_T> Kisain: try Kmenu ;)
[12:08] <Tm_T> smouche: dunno
[12:08] <nate_> I've got a potty mouth
[12:08] <Tm_T> nate_: you really don't need to tell everything, you know that?
[12:08] <smouche> well, en bocas cerradas no entran moscas...
[12:08] <nate_> Tm_T: awwww, i was typing out my every action
[12:08] <transgress> kaffeine angers me
[12:08] <nate_> Tm_T: j/k ;)
[12:09] <smouche> kaffeine makes me pee.
[12:09] <nate_> transgress: try totemxine
[12:09] <transgress> anyone else have problems with kaffiene keeping processes running??//
[12:09] <smouche> yes!
[12:09] <gunny> transgress yup
[12:09] <smouche> I don't use it anymore
[12:09] <Kisain> i got it to work yay thanx man
[12:09] <transgress> nate_: this is #kubuntu... not #ubuntu
[12:09] <gunny> supposedly a new kaffeine is coming 
[12:09] <KaiL> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/kaffeine_0.6-1_i386.deb << fixed kaffeine
[12:09] <nate_> transgress: totemxine works on kubuntu, i believe
[12:09] <transgress> well it is used in konq to play videos in the browser... which rocks
[12:09] <smouche> transgress, kaffeine locks up my cpu and won't let go.
[12:10] <gunny> killall kaffeine
[12:10] <nate_> transgress: ohhhh, i see, i don't use konq
[12:10] <Tm_T> mplayer <3
[12:10] <smouche> KaiL - thanks for that link -- I'll check that now
[12:10] <nate_> transgress: konq is slow for me
[12:10] <transgress> gunny: i do that a lot heh... plus i have to hunt down a couple other processes usually
[12:10] <Kisain> kubuntu roks yay
[12:10] <nate_> transgress: soooooo slooooooooooooowwwwwww
[12:10] <KaiL> smouche: I had very good comments about that
[12:10] <gunny> konq is sweet on my machine fastest browser I have installed 
[12:10] <KaiL> nate_: slow harddisk?
[12:10] <Tm_T> haha
[12:10] <Tm_T> it came in seconds
[12:11] <nate_> KaiL: not the loading times, but the actual loading of pages
[12:11] <Tm_T> nate_: ehh?
[12:11] <smouche> Tim_T, want some coffee?
[12:11] <KaiL> then get faster internet :p
[12:11] <nate_> KaiL: Firefox is faster for me
[12:11] <gunny> mmm coffeee
[12:11] <Tm_T> smouche: yes please
[12:11] <nate_> KaiL: heh
[12:11] <KaiL> no problems here
[12:11] <smouche> opera is fast like it's on amphetamines.
[12:11] <gunny> let me go fire up my pod machine I just want one cup brb
[12:11] <Tm_T> I use FF
[12:11] <KaiL> smouche: do you remember Opera3.x on Windows?
[12:12] <nate_> FF is faster than konq for me for some reason, i suspect some setting conflict, but i like firefox anyways, so who cares
[12:12] <Tm_T> Kisain: I remember
[12:12] <Kisain> remember
[12:12] <smouche> how do you like it, Tm_T?  percolated, or strained through a dirty sock?  I got an espresso maker here somewhere too...
[12:12] <Kisain> what?
[12:12] <Tm_T> smouche: err?
[12:12] <Tm_T> Kisain: sorry, wrhong guy
[12:12] <smouche> your coffees!
[12:12] <Kisain> kk
[12:12] <KaiL> smouche: THAT was fast, todays Opera is very very slow compared to that
[12:12] <Kisain> anyway thanx man
[12:12] <Kisain> you rock
[12:12] <KaiL> and btw compared to konq too
[12:13] <smouche> KaiL, yes! now that I think about it, I loved opera back then.
[12:13] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, do you remember Netscape 2 ?
[12:13] <smouche> Then I gave up on it cause it seemed like plugins were always a pain...
[12:13] <KaiL> not really faster than opera3
[12:13] <Tm_T> KaiL: btw I will install 16bit netscape someday
[12:14] <transgress> why?
[12:14] <gdh> yum :)
[12:14] <KaiL> today I learned, that a clean kubuntu install runs much better than upgraded from debian
[12:15] <gdh> I've been eating cinnamon lozenges today =)
[12:15] <Tm_T> transgress: into my laptop, windows wfw 3.11 ;)
[12:15] <gunny> mmm coffee
[12:15] <smouche> I wonder whether kkathman found his java path yet?
[12:15] <gunny> coffee pods bets invention evar
[12:15] <themolest> "than upgrade from debian" ?
[12:15] <KaiL> so yes, my very first debian installation, created on 20.12.2000 got killed today and replaced by a kubuntu
[12:15] <kkathman> smouche oh yeah
[12:15] <Tm_T> themolest: yes?
[12:15] <kkathman> I did
[12:15] <gunny> good kkathman  we were getting worried about ya lol
[12:15] <smouche> good!
[12:15] <KaiL> I think, around 4 1/2 years are enough? :)
[12:16] <gunny> hmm java chat just crashed my opera
[12:16] <kkathman> lol
[12:16] <kkathman> nah it was like buried
[12:16] <themolest> Tm_T is that possible?
[12:16] <smouche> buried under what??
[12:16] <themolest> like, changing apt-get sources...
[12:16] <themolest> or what
[12:16] <kkathman> heres where mine was smouche:  /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_03/jre/lib/i386/
[12:17] <Tm_T> themolest: oh YES!
[12:17] <themolest> ah, cool
[12:17] <smouche> ewww, in local?
[12:17] <Tm_T> themolest: why not
[12:17] <Kisain> what can i get for kubuntu thats really neat?
[12:17] <Tm_T> Kisain: ehh?
[12:17] <themolest> i dun know, just diddn't think about it
[12:18] <Kisain> i don't know i'm just looking for neat stuff
[12:18] <gunny> get kubuntu a pony I bet kubuntu would love a pony 
[12:18] <Kisain> lol
[12:18] <Kisain> i alredy have a cat
[12:18] <smouche> kubuntu sounds like a pony.
[12:18] <Tm_T> Kisain: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_015.png
[12:18] <Kisain> on my desktop
[12:18] <Tm_T> Kisain: something like that?
[12:18] <cbo> hello all. I don't like my box listening on port 5900 (vnc) by default, does someone know how to deactivate it?
[12:18] <smouche> gunny sounds like a pony too.
[12:18] <gunny> rofl 
[12:18] <Tm_T> hmh
[12:19] <smouche> Tm_T does not sound like a pony.
[12:19] <Kisain> i alredy have gkrellm but i must say the wallpaper rocks
[12:19] <Tm_T> smouche: thank you
[12:19] <Tm_T> Kisain: gkrellm... ?
[12:19] <Tm_T> Kisain: there's no gkrellm
[12:19] <Kisain> yes there is but yours is diffrent program
[12:19] <Tm_T> heh
[12:20] <Kisain> it does the same thugh
[12:20] <Kisain> though
[12:20] <Tm_T> Kisain: same and much more
[12:20] <Gunny> is there a wallpaper rotator for kde?
[12:20] <Kisain> really like what?
[12:20] <Gunny> I'd love me one of those
[12:20] <smouche> be careful with that hay, _da_pony, you don't know where it's been
[12:20] <Kisain> how do you do the thing where the text is on the desktop
[12:20] <Gunny> rofl 
[12:20] <smouche> or who's been peeing in it.
[12:20] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, anything what is text only
[12:20] <KaiL> Gunny: at the place, where you set the wallpaper
[12:20] <Gunny> oh cool Kail thanks 
[12:21] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, you mean that console?
[12:21] <smouche> hey, does kubuntu have that "calendar" thing, like ubuntu?
[12:21] <Kisain> it looks like it's on the desktop?
[12:21] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, same distro
[12:21] <Kisain> click on the clock
[12:21] <Kisain> it will be there
[12:21] <smouche> freaked me out when I updated gnome, and my wallpaper had suddenly changed to blue
[12:22] <cbo> can someone please tell me if netstat -ta shows ports 5800 5900 listening?
[12:22] <Tm_T> Kisain: yes, it's Eterm
[12:22] <Kisain> how do i get it?
[12:22] <Kisain> i like that
[12:22] <Tm_T> haha
[12:22] <smouche> heh heh
[12:22] <Tm_T> my Eterm tweak really sells =)
[12:23] <smouche> Eterm should be in one of the repos...
[12:23] <Tm_T> it is
[12:23] <Kisain> well i want that tweak it's awsome man
[12:23] <smouche> if you invoke it with the command Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no  -f LightGray
[12:23] <Tm_T> Kisain: haha, it's basic stuff really
[12:23] <smouche> (using whatever color you want)
[12:23] <smouche> you'll get that transparent look
[12:24] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, only " Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar "
[12:24] <Tm_T> smouche: no need to "set" that grey
[12:24] <Kisain> so i just type that stuff in?
[12:24] <Kisain> or do i need to get something?
[12:24] <smouche> i was just getting rid of that cyan that you hated, Tm_T!
[12:24] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, cyan isn't default
[12:25] <smouche> well, no, it's not!  But it should be!
[12:25] <Tm_T> smouche: light grey is =)
[12:25] <Tm_T> no
[12:25] <Tm_T> I hate bright colours
[12:25] <Kisain> same lol
[12:25] <smouche> Tm_T, btw, how do I turn off the shadowing in Eterm?  It's great for the lighter colors,
[12:25] <smouche> but if I use a darker color, the shadowing sucks
[12:26] <Tm_T> smouche: shadowing?
[12:26] <Tm_T> I don't have it (?)
[12:26] <smouche> on the text -- dark shadow
[12:26] <Kisain> so do i type thos commands in and it works or what?/
[12:26] <Tm_T> Kisain: well, there's some thing to do after that
[12:27] <Tm_T> Kisain: first apt-get that Eterm
[12:27] <Kisain> do apt-get install?
[12:27] <Gunny> anybody use linux to capture and edit video from  a firewire DV camera?
[12:28] <Tm_T> Gunny: Kino
[12:29] <Tm_T> Kisain: yes, got brains? ;)
[12:29] <Kisain> i hope so lol
[12:29] <Gunny> Tm_T,  I'll check it out I've becore proficient in windows movie maker (don't laugh)
[12:29] <Tm_T> x)
[12:29] <Kisain> actualy i gots linux ^_^
[12:30] <Gunny> I also have premier
[12:30] <Tm_T> I don't
[12:30] <Tm_T> ;p
[12:30] <Gunny> but that's like using a nuclear bomb to opena  can of soda
[12:30] <smouche> Gunny, have you ever used Virtual Dub?
[12:30] <Gunny> smouche, nope 
[12:30] <Tm_T> Gunny: ...
[12:30] <themolest> vdub works on linux?
[12:30] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[12:30] <Kisain> ok installed now what?
[12:31] <Gunny> checking into kino I asume my camera will be plug and play 
[12:31] <Tm_T> Kisain: run that command, use Kmenus "run command..."
[12:31] <Tm_T> KaiL: hullo
[12:31] <smouche> I'm not really laughing.  Windows movie maker is quite nice actually; it just sucks that it uses wma only (I believe)
[12:31] <Tm_T> haha
[12:31] <Kisain> ok whats the command
[12:31] <smouche> or other microsoft wrappers etc
[12:32] <Gunny> no it uses avi too which I quickly convert to whatever I want in premier
[12:32] <Tm_T> Kisain: "Eterm -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no"
[12:32] <smouche> themolest, that's a good question, I haven't checked that yet.  I assume there's a version for linux...?
[12:33] <themolest> i am fairly sure its open source, but i havn't heared of it running on linux
[12:33] <Tm_T> Kisain: got it?
[12:33] <Kisain> hmmmm popuped up a box 
[12:33] <smouche> avi, ok, but that's just the wrapper -- I don't think you can use xvid or divx with movie maker
[12:33] <Kisain> with a background
[12:33] <Tm_T> Kisain: box?
[12:33] <Gunny> smouche,  no you can't
[12:33] <Tm_T> Kisain: oh, yes =)
[12:33] <Kisain> a window or whatever it's called
[12:34] <Kisain> oh ok i thought i did something wrong
[12:34] <Kisain> lol
[12:34] <Tm_T> Kisain: window, and yes, because you haven't configured your Eterm yet
[12:34] <Gunny> I can't recall what all movie maker can export I suppose I can fire up my vmware and look 
[12:34] <Kisain> vmwares a neat prog
[12:34] <smouche> -O --buttonBar no --scrollBar no
[12:34] <Kisain> --
[12:34] <Tm_T> Kisain: run "Eterm"
[12:35] <Tm_T> Kisain: then make all cinfog you want and then save them
[12:35] <Tm_T> config
[12:35] <Kisain> ok eterm is open
[12:35] <Kisain> but i ran it in that with the command as wel
[12:35] <Tm_T> :)
[12:36] <Tm_T> Kisain: you see Eterms menubar?
[12:36] <Kisain> but it's in a window
[12:36] <Bicchi> i noticed that firefox does not handle mpeg files how can i make sure that when i click on a movie it gets play.
[12:36] <Tm_T> haha
[12:36] <Kisain> yea when i right click on the title bar i do
[12:36] <Bicchi> what do you use to play mpeg. i have not tested this yet
[12:37] <Kisain> it says configure windows behavior
[12:37] <Kisain> window
[12:37] <Kisain> yuch
[12:37] <smouche> Bicchi, you should read www.ubuntuguide.org for info on multimedia
[12:37] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, no, Eterm have its own menubar, dark grey
[12:37] <Kisain> ok let me try again lol
[12:37] <KaiL> ha, my full keyboard works - nice :)
[12:37] <Gunny> Bicchi,  I've become a huge fan of vlc lately 
[12:38] <Tm_T> Kisain: run "Eterm"
[12:38] <KaiL> never had that with debian *G*
[12:38] <Tm_T> =)
[12:38] <smouche> 0h yeah, I like that too, Gunny
[12:38] <Tm_T> KaiL: "full" ?
[12:38] <KaiL> Tm_T: really _all_ special keys
[12:38] <smouche> haven't tried it in linux yet
[12:38] <Kisain> ok done
[12:38] <Bicchi> Gunny, vlc ?
[12:38] <Kisain> now i see the menus
[12:38] <Gunny> especially since kaffeine eats cpu cycles for breakfast 
[12:38] <Gunny> yes 
[12:38] <Tm_T> Kisain: ok, use it
[12:38] <smouche> video lan client
[12:38] <Tm_T> wtf
[12:39] <Gunny> vlc can play just about anything 
[12:39] <Gunny> its un ubuntu's universe repo I think 
[12:39] <Tm_T> I have too many "help me" requests, there is line already =)
[12:39] <Bicchi> Gunny: how can i tell firefox to use vlc then
[12:39] <Kisain> alright got the text and everything set but it's still in a window
[12:39] <Gunny> there is a plugin 
[12:39] <Gunny> vlc-mozilla I believe 
[12:39] <nate_> what is vlc?
[12:39] <Gunny> search in synaptic for it 
[12:39] <Tm_T> Kisain: yes, we come into that when Eterm is configured
[12:40] <Kisain> oh ok
[12:40] <Tm_T> smouche: not actually
[12:40] <Gunny> vlc is what mplayer wishes it could be 
[12:40] <smouche> heh heh
[12:40] <Kisain> i got the font colour and the background set now what? ^_^
[12:40] <Tm_T> Kisain: save them
[12:40] <KaiL> hmm, why does kubuntu think, the DVDs here are empty ones?
[12:40] <Kisain> done
[12:41] <Tm_T> Kisain: ok, now run again that "longer" Eterm command
[12:41] <Kisain> ok
[12:41] <Gunny> I love how I can watch live tv streamed from my tivo in vlc
[12:41] <Kisain> ok still in windows without the menubar
[12:41] <Kisain> window
[12:41] <smouche> vlc works very well for previewing video during a P2P download.  It handles partial files very well
[12:42] <nate_> Gunny: does it use the same codecs as mplayer?  Do I need to move the codecs?
[12:42] <Kisain> i think i'm gonna get that vcl
[12:42] <Tm_T> Kisain: ok, now press alt+space
[12:42] <Kisain> nothin
[12:42] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm, you supposed to get menu
[12:42] <Gunny> no nate it has its own 
[12:42] <Kisain> nope
[12:43] <Kisain> :(
[12:43] <smouche> that's Alt F3, Tm_T
[12:43] <KaiL> hmm
[12:43] <Kisain> did somethin wrong diden't i?
[12:43] <Tm_T> KaiL: same menu what you get when rightclicking titlebar
[12:43] <Tm_T> Kisain: 
[12:43] <Tm_T> wtf
[12:43] <Kisain> yes?
[12:43] <Kisain> :(
[12:43] <Tm_T> Kisain: same menu what you get when rightclicking titlebar
[12:43] <Kisain> oh that lol
[12:44] <Tm_T> yesss
[12:44] <Kisain> ok
[12:44] <Tm_T> you get it
[12:44] <Tm_T> ?
[12:44] <Kisain> yes
[12:44] <smouche> I think vlc doesn't really use codecs in the same sense as other apps; it "transcodes" stuff, so , I think? you don't actually need all the codecs...
[12:44] <Tm_T> Kisain: using alt+space?
[12:44] <smouche> not clear on the details, acttually
[12:44] <Kisain> alt +f3
[12:44] <Kisain> or right clicking
[12:44] <Kisain> works
[12:44] <Tm_T> ok
[12:45] <Tm_T> remember that, you gonna need it
[12:45] <Kisain> ok
[12:45] <Tm_T> now, move window to it's place
[12:45] <Tm_T> and resize it
[12:45] <nate_> ummm, vlc can't play the batman trailer in firefox on apple.com/trailers
[12:45] <Kisain> to the whole or part of the desktop?
[12:46] <Kisain> i don't care which i just want it to work lol
[12:46] <KaiL> nobody having my DVD problem?
[12:46] <Gunny> nate_ did you install the plugin?
[12:46] <Tm_T> Kisain: as you like, I use lower third
[12:46] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm?
[12:46] <nate_> Gunny: yes
[12:47] <KaiL> the system thinks, they are empty ones..
[12:47] <Tm_T> heh
[12:47] <Gunny> did you uninstall which ever other plugins you were using for multimedia?
[12:47] <Kisain> ok i have it where i want it
[12:47] <Gunny> lole mplayer or mozplugger?
[12:47] <Gunny> er like 
[12:47] <Tm_T> Kisain: now, use that menu again...
[12:47] <Kisain> and do what?
[12:47] <smouche> I hate mplayer.
[12:47] <Tm_T> Kisain: advanced -> no border
[12:47] <nate_> Gunny: I believe so, but i'll double-check...oh, wait, I know what the prob is
[12:47] <KaiL> Tm_T: not?
[12:48] <Tm_T> KaiL: ?
[12:48] <Kisain> awsome thanx
[12:48] <nate_> nope, wasn't the problem
[12:48] <KaiL> you know the icon, you get, if you insert an empty DVD/CD media?
[12:48] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, no, I don't have icons in desktop ;p
[12:49] <Kisain> awsome thanx
[12:49] <Tm_T> np
[12:49] <Kisain> how do i get it not to show up in my program bar?
[12:49] <Tm_T> Kisain: hehe
[12:49] <Kisain> like that pic you sent
[12:50] <smouche> Kisain, Alt F3
[12:50] <Tm_T> Kisain: btw it also stay in back even if its active in my desktop  =)
[12:50] <Kisain> ok
[12:50] <Kisain> nice
[12:51] <Kisain> alt+f3 now what?
[12:51] <smouche> then "advanced"
[12:51] <KaiL> Tm_T: but in media:/ :)
[12:51] <Kisain> ok
[12:51] <Tm_T> KaiL: I don't ues it =)
[12:51] <Tm_T> use
[12:51] <smouche> then, Kisain, special window settings, and check out those tabs
[12:51] <KaiL> grr
[12:51] <Kisain> k
[12:51] <Tm_T> Kisain: muahhaha
[12:52] <smouche> take your time with those settings, Kisain, useful stuff to know how to do in there.
[12:52] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, I use mplayer to play dvd movies... so I don't care about icons ;p
[12:52] <KaiL> at least there you have a silver disk for a filled one and yellow (or gold) for empty ones.....
[12:52] <Kisain> well i don't lol :(
[12:52] <KaiL> and now I get the yellow one for every DVD
[12:52] <KaiL> this is very strange
[12:52] <KaiL> Riddell: ping?
[12:52] <smouche> Kisain, also, if you go to Control Center later, and look in the Regional and Accessibility section,
[12:53] <Kisain> k
[12:53] <St0n3-C0l> KoolDock is still not in the repos of Kubuntu ?
[12:53] <smouche> you can set keyboard shortcuts for stuff like hiding borders etc
[12:53] <Kisain> whats the one to get it outta the program bar?
[12:53] <smouche> they can be useful when using pseudo transparent windows.
[12:53] <Kisain> i don't tweak much right now just to start i'm still learning
[12:54] <smouche> and, Kisain, you know you can drag a borderless window anywhere by holding down Alt and left-click and drag.
[12:54] <nate_> Gunny: so whats the trick to getting it to work in firefox?
[12:54] <Tm_T> Kisain: take your time, you'll figure it out by yourself
[12:54] <Kisain> oh nice
[12:54] <Kisain> ok i'll try it
[12:54] <Kisain> i won't crash my box or somthin will i?
[12:55] <smouche> no, I doubt it!
[12:55] <Kisain> kk
[12:55] <Tm_T> Kisain: i applause if you do =)
[12:55] <Tm_T> that's something :p
[12:55] <smouche> rats, nate_ - I was hoping Gunny could answer that one too!
[12:56] <Kisain> don't i worked really hard on this
[12:56] <Kisain> lol
[12:56] <Kisain> if it crashes i would be crushed
[12:56] <smouche> if you haven't crashed anything yet, you're not working hard enough!
[12:56] <nate_> hmmmm, wonder why i can't get vlc to work
[12:56] <KaiL> lol
[12:57] <Tm_T> vlc?
[12:57] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:58] <transgress> what's the problem with it nate_ 
[12:58] <Kisain> eurika! i got it ^_^
[12:59] <smouche> congrats, Kisain!
[12:59] <Kisain> ^_^ thanx man
[12:59] <error403> how do i get a program to automatically load on startup?
[12:59] <Kisain> i was kinda worried that i would crash it lol
[01:00] <Tm_T> haha
[01:00] <Tm_T> Kisain: also conf it to stay below
[01:00] <error403> ?
[01:00] <smouche> nah, it's mainly kde apps that crash...
[01:00] <Kisain> ok
[01:00] <Tm_T> smouche: x)
[01:01] <Tm_T> Kisain: advanced ->
[01:01] <smouche> I've got three of these things running on the same desktop, different sizes and colors.
[01:01] <Kisain> ok got it
[01:01] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, so you have that menushortcut as alt+F3 ?
[01:01] <smouche> one of them permanently showing "man bash" 
[01:02] <Tm_T> haha
[01:02] <smouche> I may actually read that too one of these days.
[01:02] <Tm_T> hmm, three Eterms?
[01:02] <smouche> smouche, yeah, thought that was default
[01:02] <Tm_T> haha
[01:02] <smouche> that's on a standard us keyboard, anyway.
[01:03] <Tm_T> you are talking to yourself
[01:03] <Tm_T> smouche: yeas, I use fi keyboard =)
[01:03] <Tm_T> -a
[01:03] <Tm_T> I have  keys too
[01:04] <Tm_T> I bet you don't :p
[01:04] <smouche> heh, I've never seen a finnish keyboard; I picture it with umlauts and double aa's all over the place ;-)
[01:04] <Tm_T> double aa ?
[01:04] <Tm_T> DOUBLE AA???
[01:04] <Tm_T> wtf
[01:04] <smouche> doesn't Finnish use "aa" a lot?
[01:04] <Tm_T> hmm, not?
[01:04] <pv> I haven't ever seen a double aa.
[01:05] <smouche> words like kaapi taapi laapi ... no?
[01:05] <Tm_T> smouche: ehh, not much
[01:05] <pv> Yeah, but it is written with two a's, not a combined letter :)
[01:05] <smouche> my bad, I thought "aa" was a common vowel combination in finnish
[01:05] <Tm_T> haha
[01:05] <Tm_T> well, common yes
[01:05] <blueyed> how can I get a list of used (bound) ports?
[01:05] <Tm_T> but it doesn't need it's own key =)
[01:05] <smouche> well, duh, I know!  I was joking!  sheesh!
[01:05] <themolest> blueyed you mean listening ports?
[01:06] <blueyed> yes, themolest .
[01:06] <Tm_T> smouche: no you was so damn serious!
[01:06] <themolest> like tcp/udp servers?
[01:06] <themolest> netstat -l
[01:06] <blueyed> thx alot, themolest.
[01:06] <themolest> or netstat -a for clients too
[01:06] <smouche> Tm_T, don't laugh at the idea of "double letters" being thought of as a single letter.
[01:06] <Tm_T> smouche: btw I will give you a pic of fi keyb
[01:06] <Tm_T> smouche: it's a joke =)
[01:06] <Tm_T> it must be
[01:07] <smouche> in traditional Spanish ordering, ll and ch are treated as seperate "letters"
[01:07] <smouche> (though not on keyboards, I assume)
[01:08] <smouche> what does the umlaut do in Finnish, btw, Tm_T? shorten the vowel?
[01:08] <error403> could anybody tell me how to get a program to start on KDE startup?
[01:08] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, they are separate vowels
[01:09] <Tm_T> smouche: http://home.rpkk.fi/kodit/~ahosa/tekstinknapp/perusn1.gif
[01:09] <blueyed> Is there no OpenLDAP with Ubuntu?
[01:09] <smouche> heh heh, Finnish also seems to like the letter "k"
[01:10] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, maybe
[01:10] <Kisain> is there a place to uplad screenshots?
[01:10] <Kisain> upload
[01:10] <Kisain> so i can show my freinds?
[01:10] <Tm_T> Kisain: your own website?
[01:10] <Kisain> no
[01:10] <Tm_T> haha
[01:10] <Tm_T> why
[01:10] <Kisain> like the one you used to show me that screenshot
[01:11] <pv> apt-cache search openldap  finds slapd package.
[01:11] <smouche> Tm_T: cool, that's less dissimilar to a us keyboard than I expected
[01:11] <Tm_T> Kisain: it's "my" webserver
[01:11] <Kisain> oh wow nice
[01:11] <smouche> interesting that you also use qwerty
[01:11] <Tm_T> smouche: ofcourse
[01:11] <Tm_T> why not
[01:12] <Tm_T> we have only 3(?) extra letters
[01:12] <smouche> why not why not?  Letter frequency differs in different languages.
[01:12] <blueyed> Thanks, pv!
[01:12] <smouche> that's why French uses azerty
[01:12] <Tm_T> heh
[01:12] <Tm_T> smouche: but we finnish are very international ;p
[01:12] <smouche> but hell, maybe you Finns invented these damn keyboards to begin with!
[01:13] <Tm_T> haha
[01:13] <Kisain> how do you take a screenshot in kubuntu is it still print screen
[01:13] <smouche> yeah, I know Tm_T; I used to listen to finnish radio, and the announcers sounded more like the bbc than the bbc!
[01:13] <smouche> Kisain, use ksnapshot
[01:14] <Tm_T> Kisain: ehh, "import -window root <destination>" or use Ksnapshot
[01:14] <Tm_T> smouche: haha
[01:14] <Tm_T> smouche: you know nokia, right?
[01:14] <smouche> I know it's a Finnish company, if tht's what you mean
[01:14] <Tm_T> smouche: yes :)
[01:15] <smouche> but I'll bet if you asked most Americans, they'd assume it was Japanese!
[01:15] <Tm_T> haha, I know =)
[01:16] <smouche> I read somewhere that Finland is the most wired (or wireless) country on the planet, that true?
[01:16] <smouche> hey Gunny, welcome back
[01:17] <smouche> btw, Tm_T, what's a good finnish internet radio station?
[01:17] <Gunny> smouche,  thanks 
[01:17] <Gunny> had to deal with a sick child 
[01:17] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, dunno, I don't use internet radios, or radio at all actually
[01:18] <Tm_T> smouche: but I can ask, wait a minute
[01:18] <Gunny> 2 year old daughter is running 101.4 fever keeping me busy lol
[01:19] <Tm_T> Gunny: hmm, 101.4?
[01:19] <pv> Fahrenheit, hopefully :)
[01:19] <Tm_T> damn those yankees
[01:19] <Tm_T> why they can't use siviliced measurements
[01:20] <Tm_T> s
[01:20] <Tm_T> whatever
[01:20] <Tm_T> oh, hi pv
[01:21] <smouche> hah hah, yes I can see how 101.4 would be alarming to someone used to Celsius measurements
[01:21] <Gunny> farenheit indeed
[01:22] <smouche> 101.4 is high enough!
[01:22] <Tm_T> even in Kelvin it would be alarming
[01:22] <Gunny> yep weird thing is, she's acting fine 
[01:22] <Tm_T> smouche: can you give it as celsius?
[01:22] <Gunny> no other symptoms 
[01:22] <smouche> she's in turbo mode.
[01:23] <smouche> put a cup throttle on that kid.
[01:23] <smouche> oops, cpu!
[01:23] <smouche> Tm_T, no, I don't know the conversion factor, sorry
[01:24] <Gunny> 38.5 Celsius
[01:24] <Gunny> thanks google
[01:24] <Tm_T> Gunny: that's nothing =)
[01:24] <kkathman> so smouche are you sayin yer sick dude?
[01:24] <smouche> kkathman, no, we were talking about Gunny's daughter,
[01:24] <smouche> and no, I am not 
[01:24] <Gunny> convert 101.4 degrees F to C man I love google
[01:24] <smouche> Gunny's daughter!
[01:24] <kkathman> ohhh...how old is the daughter?
[01:25] <smouche> google thinks of everything; scary, ain't it
[01:25] <smouche> She's 101.4 years young, kkathman.
[01:25] <Tm_T> hmm, no, there's many things what google don't find
[01:25] <smouche> in Finnish reindeer years.
[01:25] <kkathman> smouche: you should read the latest Fortune Magazine... great article on how Google is giving Microsoft fits and how Gates is worried about them long term
[01:25] <Tm_T> ?
[01:26] <Tm_T> smouche: whatta
[01:26] <kkathman> Gates own arrogance basically is his downfall in many cases
[01:26] <smouche> Tm_T, never mind, I'm just being tired and sloppily surrealistic.
[01:26] <Tm_T> :)
[01:26] <Gunny> kkathman,  she's 2 and a half
[01:26] <Tm_T> smouche: ok =)
[01:26] <smouche> in child years.
[01:26] <Gunny> no idea what conversion scale to use for that 
[01:27] <Tm_T> hmm, there was some conversion tools to KDE in reops...
[01:27] <smouche> yeah, Gates has got to get diminishing returns eventually.
[01:27] <kkathman> Gunny: Ahh ok, well spikey fevers are fairly common, but lots of fluids is a good thing and dont let it stay over 100 more than 24 hours without a dr visit
[01:27] <dell500> anyone here know what flac, ogg, and shn are??
[01:27] <Gunny> 913.105497 days
[01:27] <kkathman> ogg is an audio format
[01:27] <dell500> better question, how do you convert them to mp3
[01:27] <Tm_T> dell500: use amaroK and script ;)
[01:27] <Gunny> kkathman,  thanks I got it covered
[01:27] <kkathman> you dont...you find a player
[01:28] <Tm_T> Gunny: lucky you
[01:28] <kkathman> Gunny: excellent!!!
[01:28] <smouche> dell500, search in synaptic or kpackage or aptitude or whatever for command line converters etc
[01:28] <kkathman> Ive been stay at home since 1991
[01:28] <Gunny> yeah been home for 2 years
[01:28] <Tm_T> ooooh
[01:28] <Gunny> I retired from Michelin Tech Support 
[01:28] <Tm_T> Gunny: damn, wanna switch with me ?
[01:28] <smouche> there's something like "ogg2mp3" or something, can't remember exactly
[01:28] <Gunny> no thanks lol
[01:29] <Tm_T> smouche: or you can use amaroK with conversion script ;)
[01:29] <smouche> Tm_T, I didn't know amaroK could do conversions, cool!
[01:29] <Gunny> you can use mplayer and choose wav out too then encode however you like 
[01:29] <Tm_T> Gunny: that's one yes =)
[01:30] <smouche> that reminds me, friend of mine lent me a CD; time for some bachata
[01:30] <Tm_T> bachata?
[01:30] <smouche> latin music
[01:30] <Tm_T> ok
[01:30] <Tm_T> nevhrd
[01:30] <Gunny> bachata sounds like a french breaad pizza or something 
[01:30] <smouche> from the Dominican Republic; awesome guitar style
[01:31] <Tm_T> smouche: can't beat Jimmy Page ;)
[01:31] <dell500> well does k3b burn shn, flac, and ogg??
[01:31] <Gunny> I guess I can find scripts for amarok at their home page 
[01:31] <smouche> dell500, those are data formats
[01:31] <smouche> you can put them on a disk just like with mp3
[01:32] <dell500> no, i mean can you burn them as audio
[01:32] <smouche> but if you want to play them in an ordinary cd player, you'll have to convert them to .wav, I assume.
[01:32] <Tm_T> Gunny: apps-kde.org
[01:32] <Tm_T> sorry, kde-apps.org
[01:32] <dell500> what's amaroK???
[01:32] <Tm_T> dell500: amarok.kde.org
[01:33] <smouche> dell500, it's a media player for kde.
[01:33] <dell500> ooo
[01:33] <Tm_T> smouche: not media, audio
[01:33] <smouche> player and organizer
[01:33] <Tm_T> yes =)
[01:33] <smouche> right Tm_T, just audio
[01:33] <Tm_T> :)
[01:33] <Tm_T> "media" .. "why it can't play my avi????"
[01:33] <Tm_T> ;p
[01:34] <dell500> apt-get install amarok??
[01:36] <Gunny> Tm_T,  thanks I'm there
[01:36] <dell500> should i choose SQlite or MySQL?? :)
[01:36] <Tm_T> Gunny: hmm?
[01:37] <Tm_T> dell500: I use SQlite
[01:37] <Tm_T> it's default
[01:37] <dell500> k
[01:37] <Gunny> kde apps .org
[01:37] <Tm_T> oh yes
[01:37] <dell500> sweet, scanning all my music!
[01:38] <dell500> lot of Invalid Sample rate errors
[01:39] <Tm_T> what?
[01:39] <Tm_T> errr
[01:39] <Tm_T> how?
[01:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:39] <Tm_T> dell500: btw use svn version, new features etc
[01:40] <smouche> what's "svn" Tm_T?
[01:40] <kkathman> wow Opera 8 is awesome
[01:40] <smouche> isn't it?
[01:41] <kkathman> yeah its majorly improved
[01:41] <kkathman> and I think its even faster
[01:41] <dell500> wow, there are a lot of options in this app
[01:42] <Tm_T> smouche: like cvs but better(?)
[01:43] <Tm_T> killkilldiedie!!!
[01:43] <dell500> svn??
[01:44] <Tm_T> yes
[01:44] <Tm_T> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_HowTo
[01:44] <Tm_T> whoa
[01:47] <dell500> amarok is a lot to handle all at once lol
[01:47] <dell500> not sure what is goin on
[01:47] <Tm_T> ehh?
[01:47] <Tm_T> it's simple
[01:47] <dell500> i know, it probably is, i'm just not used to it yet
[01:47] <Tm_T> heh
[01:48] <dell500> got a lot of unknown stuff :(
[01:48] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:48] <Tm_T> oh whyyy
[01:48] <Kisain> whats the command to install vmware?
[01:49] <dell500> what's vmware?
[01:51] <smouche> yeah, kkathman, this opera rocks!  I can't believe how good the fonts look, at all sizes
[01:51] <Gunny> vmware-install.pl
[01:51] <kkathman> Ok I got a better SK plug in for status, but it takes more resource :(
[01:52] <smouche> Tm_T, dell500 is right; amaroK does seem a tad overwhelming at first.
[01:53] <Gunny> is there a qt  version of gnomad? in other words can I use something besides gnomad to sync my nomad Xen Xtra?
[01:53] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, maybe, it's not xmms
[01:53] <Tm_T> Gunny: try kde-apps.org ;p
[01:54] <Gunny> I did lol
[01:54] <Tm_T> heh
[01:54] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:54] <blueyed> What would be the equivalent to ldapadd in SLP?
[01:55] <Tm_T> ?
[01:55] <Gunny> only thing is a program that is depracated 
[01:55] <Gunny> I guess I;ll suck it up and install gnomad
[01:55] <smouche> ok, Tm_T, if I want to use the version of AmaroK from that site, do I need to remove my current amaroK?
[01:55] <Gunny> even though it's interface sucketh
[01:55] <blueyed> I'Ve installed slpd and following a howto which uses ldapadd to add a new entry to the ldap..
[01:56] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, no, it installs it "over"
[01:56] <smouche> cool, thanks.
[01:56] <Tm_T> btw that might be buggy ;p
[01:59] <Gunny> hmm svn? why they not use cvs?
[01:59] <smouche> yeah, Tm_T, I think I may stick with the stable version for now...
[02:02] <osh> Argh. Win32codecs aren't availible if you run ubuntu64. How annoying. Time for bed...
[02:02] <KaiL> as they aren't on win64..
[02:02] <Gunny> win64 will still use 32 bit dll's for multimedia 
[02:03] <KaiL> hmm, so he needs a 32bit xine ;)
[02:03] <osh> KaiL: Noted. I suspect ubuntu can do something similar...
[02:03] <KaiL> quite silly btw
[02:04] <KaiL> the most CPU eating job is still 32bit..
[02:05] <KaiL> anybody here, who has upgraded from a K7 based CPU to a K8 based one?
[02:06] <KaiL> is this only my feeling, or are K8 systems a lot faster even at the same clock?
[02:06] <Tm_T> smouche: actually that "stable" can be buggier
[02:07] <smouche> I know what you mean; but amaroK is behaving quite well for me, so I'll look for something else to break - ;-)
[02:08] <Tm_T> ok :)
[02:08] <Tm_T> I use... yesterdays svn
[02:10] <smouche> well, you'll always be at least eight hours ahead of me, no matter what - unless I move to Europe...:)
[02:10] <Tm_T> heh
[02:11] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:11] <Tm_T> it was 16:28 utc
[02:11] <smouche> so I'll let you do the alpha testing...
[02:11] <Tm_T> =)
[02:12] <Tm_T> working better than "stable" and have new features, can't be bad =)
[02:14] <smouche> I know what you mean, Tm_T, hoary unstable was much more solid than warty "stable" for me, for example
[02:14] <smouche> till I backported myself into hell, anyway!
[02:15] <Tm_T> haha
[02:15] <Tm_T> http://www.mozilla.org/editor/
[02:21] <error403> anybody else here use BitchX often?
[02:21] <Tm_T> yuk
[02:21] <error403> ?
[02:21] <Tm_T> I use irssi only =)
[02:21] <error403> irssi?
[02:21] <Tm_T> yes
[02:21] <error403> graphical?
[02:22] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_016.png
[02:22] <Tm_T> hell NO!
[02:22] <error403> lol
[02:22] <error403> ok...
[02:22] <error403> /bin/sh: elinks: command not found
[02:22] <error403> oops...
[02:22] <Tm_T> hahahaha
[02:24] <smouche> elinks is cool.
[02:24] <error403> yes
[02:24] <error403> it is...
[02:24] <error403> VERY
[02:24] <error403> so is BitchX
[02:24] <error403> lol
[02:25] <error403> well, thats what im using at the mo...
[02:25] <Tm_T> yes, but irssi is more userfriendly imho
[02:25] <error403> ok
[02:25] <error403> where i get it?
[02:25] <error403> coz i see to not have the source for it...
[02:25] <Tm_T> you already got it
[02:26] <Tm_T> it's in normal ubuntu installation
[02:26] <smouche> irssi can be VEry user friendly if you're stuck without X running!
[02:26] <Tm_T> smouche: and in X too! ;p
[02:26] <error403> so i do....
[02:26] <error403> brb
[02:26] <Tm_T> smouche: bitchx and irssi are similar looking
[02:27] <Tm_T> =)
[02:27] <Tm_T> haha I hope I really convert him
[02:27] <smouche> really?  I thought bitchx was something like x-chat
[02:27] <Tm_T> haha
[02:27] <Tm_T> smouche: use google
[02:27] <Tm_T> ;p
[02:27] <smouche> hm, learn something new everyday.
[02:27] <smouche> I'm using irssi, man, leave me alone!! ;-)
[02:28] <Tm_T> haha
[02:28] <NTolerance> if my X isn't running I've probably got more problems than trying to connect to IRC
[02:28] <Tm_T> NTolerance: haha
[02:28] <NTolerance> :D
[02:28] <Tm_T> NTolerance: I don't use graphical irc clients
[02:28] <NTolerance> I'm running off of the KANOTIX CD now...I like it so far
[02:28] <error403> back
[02:28] <Tm_T> hullo
[02:28] <Tm_T> any guestions?
[02:28] <error403> nope
[02:28] <error403> not really..
[02:28] <Tm_T> :)
[02:28] <NTolerance> 200 more fps in glxgears, no klaptop problems yet, firefox stays open when i change the desktop background
[02:28] <error403> i dont think....
[02:29] <Tm_T> NTolerance: 200 ???
[02:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:29] <Tm_T> NTolerance: how much total?
[02:29] <error403> how do i change the colors?
[02:29] <smouche> NTolerance, the thing was, I couldn't rescue myself without getting help on irc, so I was damned lucky i knew about irssi!
[02:29] <error403> this one isnt as colorful....
[02:29] <NTolerance> 614 on an ATI Mobility M6
[02:29] <transgress> is kde lighter on the processor than gnome?  i have ubuntu on my lappy... and was wondering if i'd notice longer battery in kde?
[02:29] <Tm_T> error403: ehh, why you need colours?
[02:29] <error403> lol
[02:29] <Tm_T> error403: btw irssi.org -> themes
[02:29] <error403> Tm_T: just because...
[02:30] <error403> hmmm...
[02:30] <error403> /bin/sh: GET: command not found
[02:30] <error403> wtf?
[02:30] <Tm_T> error403: hmm, what colours you need ?
[02:30] <error403> why the hell dont i have a get command?
[02:30] <Tm_T> wget?
[02:30] <NTolerance> transgress: you'd be lucky if your battery monitor works properly in Kubuntu
[02:30] <transgress> GET? 
[02:30] <error403> GET
[02:30] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:30] <error403> not work
[02:30] <Tm_T> error403: wget?
[02:31] <transgress> NTolerance: heh i'll keep that in mind and not reinstall then
[02:31] <NTolerance> i may just be unlucky transgress 
[02:31] <NTolerance> i'm sure some people have their battery monitors working
[02:31] <NTolerance> the firefox bug does happen to others though
[02:31] <Tm_T> many does
[02:31] <error403> lol
[02:31] <smouche> yeah, transgress, if anyone knows how to get power management working predictably in kubuntu, I want to know how they did it.
[02:31] <error403> mine works...
[02:32] <error403> by default...
[02:32] <transgress> i really like how easy it is to map my extra keyboard keys in gnome... can't quite figure out how to in kde yet
[02:32] <Tm_T> http://www.supload.com/012005/snapshot5-1-053.png
[02:32] <error403> ive never had a problem with it...
[02:32] <Tm_T> look, battery information in torsmo \o/
[02:33] <NTolerance> omg, how'd they do that?
[02:33] <Tm_T> easily
[02:35] <NTolerance> any idiot could do that
[02:35] <NTolerance> :D
[02:35] <transgress> my cat can do that after she gets into my coc stash
[02:36] <error403> heh
[02:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:37] <Tm_T> I have  486sx2 laptop atm
[02:37] <transgress> ummm
[02:38] <error403> Tm_T: how do i change between tabs, if you know what i mean, in irssi?
[02:38] <transgress> 972ss laptop?
[02:38] <Tm_T> error403: they are windows and alt+<number>
[02:38] <Tm_T> error403: too easy?
[02:38] <error403> THANKS!!!!
[02:38] <error403> THIS KICKS A$$
[02:39] <Tm_T> haha
[02:39] <Tm_T> I knew it!
[02:39] <error403> umm, if i do /server, will it open another tab?
[02:39] <transgress> no
[02:39] <Tm_T> no
[02:39] <error403> and if i do /join will it open another tab?
[02:39] <Tm_T> that will do
[02:39] <Tm_T> error403: eh, window
[02:39] <Tm_T> 03:27 < Tm_T> haha I hope I really convert him
[02:39] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[02:40] <error403> lol
[02:40] <error403> you have
[02:40] <error403> this kicks ass
[02:40] <KaiL> hm?
[02:40] <error403> Tm_T: will it open another server window if i type /server in the server windows?
[02:40] <error403> *window
[02:41] <smouche> error, easiest way to switch channel windows is Control N or Control P, or Alt left or right arrow
[02:41] <error403> how do i be connected to more than one server at a  time, or do i need to be running multiple instances?
[02:41] <KaiL> ok, somebody with hardware problems?
[02:41] <Tm_T> error403: no
[02:42] <Tm_T> error403: irssi.org has good help ;)
[02:42] <Tm_T> yes you can have multiple servers
[02:42] <KaiL> maybe something more interesting than powernow-k8, wrong output on an Audigy2 or a CRT screen telling nonsence? :)
[02:42] <Tm_T> smouche: easiest way is use alt+<number>
[02:42] <smouche> KaiL, is that an external Audigy?
[02:43] <KaiL> internal
[02:43] <KaiL> it has digital out as default...
[02:43] <Tm_T> smouche: specially if you have <10 channels open =)
[02:43] <Tm_T> >
[02:43] <smouche> well, Tm_T, I guess you're right, but not for me, cause.. lol
[02:43] <smouche> yeah, I figured you had a lot more channels than me!
[02:43] <Tm_T> smouche: I have 18 windows in my "main" irssi...
[02:43] <error403> :O
[02:44] <smouche> thing is , I can use Alt arrows with one hand
[02:44] <Tm_T> not much though
[02:44] <smouche> and save the other hand for a sandwich
[02:44] <error403> lol
[02:44] <error403> so how do i open another server windows?
[02:44] <Tm_T> smouche: you can use alt+<number> with one hand too
[02:44] <Tm_T> error403: check irssi.org
[02:44] <Tm_T> I don't remember
[02:45] <error403> lol
[02:45] <error403> ok
[02:45] <kkathman> dum de dum dum
[02:45] <Tm_T> I use separate clients in separate networks
[02:45] <smouche> well yeah, Tm_T, but not with my sandwich hand.
[02:45] <KaiL> smouche: do have that problem too?
[02:45] <kkathman> lol smouche :)
[02:45] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, ehh
[02:46] <kkathman> Wow this new SK theme is much more resource intensive than Ubermon
[02:46] <smouche> Tm_T, you know us Americans are notoriously non-ambidexterous.
[02:46] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, there's strange words =)
[02:46] <Tm_T> wait a minute
[02:47] <kkathman> ambidextrous = equally good with left and right hand, basically
[02:47] <Tm_T> heh
[02:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: I'm leftie ;)
[02:48] <smouche> like the old joke about the american secret agent who blew his cover by switching his fork from hand to hand during dinner...
[02:48] <Tm_T> yes, old one
[02:48] <kkathman> Tm_T did you know that the Greek word for "left-handed" is the root word for our word "sinister" ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: sinister? hmm, sin maker?
[02:48] <Tm_T> aah, now I got it
[02:48] <smouche> Tm_T, don't be gauche, dude!
[02:49] <Tm_T> sorry, didn't remembered that one
[02:49] <gunny> what's the secret to getting var/local/mail with kmail? I get a can't lock error
[02:49] <kkathman> Tm_T no...the Greek word is "sinistra"... people in the ancient world believed that those that were "left handed" were abnormal and could not be trusted.
[02:49] <smouche> gauche is french for left, and also implies (in English) clumsy vulgarity
[02:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: we ARE abnormal
[02:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: atleast I am
[02:50] <smouche> the world is very hard on lefties.
[02:50] <Tm_T> sinister == pahaenteinen
[02:50] <Tm_T> ;p
[02:50] <kkathman> Tm_T lol...well it had something to do with that the "right hand" was closest to the heart or something like that
[02:50] <kkathman> hehe
[02:50] <smouche> Tm_T, you seem very adroit for a lefty, actually
[02:50] <Tm_T> adroit?
[02:50] <smouche> (that's another one: a droit -- on the right)
[02:50] <Tm_T> weird words, alot =)
[02:51] <kkathman> I can honestly say that I have seem alot of untrustworthy righties too :)
[02:51] <smouche> adroit = skillful, good with ones hands
[02:51] <Tm_T> smouche: got it already =)
[02:51] <Tm_T> http://www.ilmainensanakirja.fi/?Q2=&Q=adroit&P=12
[02:51] <Tm_T> ;p
[02:51] <smouche> you show a lot of dexterity with google, even left-handed!
[02:51] <kkathman> lol
[02:51] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:52] <smouche> (dexter -- opposite of latin "sinister")
[02:52] <gunny> I like this chat channel #ubuntu is far to serious
[02:52] <Tm_T> haha
[02:52] <kkathman> detro actually
[02:52] <kkathman> oops dextro
[02:52] <Tm_T> gunny: because of me I think
[02:52] <gunny> rofl or me if you're not here
[02:52] <Tm_T> =)
[02:52] <kkathman> gunny:  yeah when the heavies are here we get called down pretty often
[02:53] <gunny> gonna be all weekend with no LInux box to play with 
[02:53] <smouche> I consider it a left-handed compliment to be scolded by a dev
[02:53] <kkathman> rofl smouche
[02:53] <smouche> gunny, why no linux box?
[02:53] <gunny> going away fro the weekend
[02:53] <gunny> my parrents still on windows
[02:54] <kkathman> gunny just make your pitch to them :)
[02:54] <gunny> I am afraid to install kubuntu on my dads machine I handle enough tech support phone calls as it is 
[02:54] <Tm_T> gunny: you can use live cd ;)
[02:54] <smouche> change their wallpaper to a screenshot of kubuntu, hide their taskbar and their icons!
[02:54] <gunny> rofl 
[02:54] <kkathman> gunny yep
[02:54] <Tm_T> haha
[02:55] <gunny> I have a live dvd here I may bring it with me 
[02:55] <Tm_T> =)
[02:55] <smouche> maybe they'll think they got a really weird virus
[02:55] <Tm_T> haha
[02:55] <smouche> well, gunny, just refer your dad to this channel
[02:55] <kkathman> I dont think I could get my Dad on LInux either
[02:55] <gunny> oh man getting rid of the omigod I have a virus or spyware phone calls would be amazing 
[02:56] <gunny> I at least have him on firefox instead of IE 
[02:56] <kkathman> gunny he can find more ways to mess up his email...and he just has to click ONE freakin button
[02:56] <gunny> my dad is in his sixties and doesn't adapt to change very well 
[02:57] <smouche> well, I spent the morning with a roomful of people who think a computer mouse might pee in their hand if they frighten it.
[02:57] <kkathman> gunny:  my dad is 88 and is the opposite..he LOVES too much to try new things, but then lacks the expertise to fix things that he messes up..then makes them worse..and only THEN does he call me
[02:58] <gunny> oh man speaking of mice, I found one in a glue trap a few mins ago 
[02:58] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/amarok_w_wiki.png
[02:58] <Tm_T> wiki in amarok \o/
[02:58] <kkathman> and he then blames them on the computer or Microsoft or whatever
[02:58] <smouche> plug it in gunny, and see if it works.  Maybe there's a driver for that sucker!
[02:59] <gunny> my dad is constantly getting spam from porn sites of course I tell him if he quits subscribing to them, it would stop 
[02:59] <gunny> lol smouche 
[02:59] <kkathman> Tm_T do you know if there is a way to adjust the icon grid width and length  or did I ask you already?
[02:59] <smouche> I hate those glue traps, the pitiful stuck creatures.  A fast head bash with a traditional trap seems kinder.
[02:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[02:59] <kkathman> gunny ROFL on the porn sites :)
[02:59] <gunny> smouche,  I agree 
[02:59] <Tm_T> icon grid width? in desktop? or in konqi?
[02:59] <gunny> kkathman,  my pop's a dirty ole man
[02:59] <kkathman> Tm_T no on the desktop
[03:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think there is
[03:00] <smouche> I actually managed to pry a mouse off one of those glue things though, and let it go.
[03:00] <pussfeller> why
[03:00] <gunny> I always have mice here after a big rain 
[03:00] <smouche> poor bastard probably never got laid again though, with his whiskers and ears all gluey!
[03:00] <kkathman> Tm_T Im sure there is...because windows has that and I figure KDE must have a capability to do it
[03:00] <gunny> it rained 2 days straight and the mice arrived
[03:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, lemme see...
[03:00] <pussfeller> ever since we had a mouse invasion.... i hate those little nasty bastards
[03:01] <pussfeller> we were killing 3 - 4 a day
[03:01] <smouche> kkathman, I gave up on icons on the desktop, cause they kept moving on me, and the text looked horrible,
[03:01] <smouche> and I tend to clutter it up too much
[03:02] <smouche> much happier without them now.
[03:02] <smouche> pussfeller, get a cat.
[03:02] <smouche> get like 3 cats
[03:03] <pussfeller> we finally hired an extermiator and he laid out poisen every where and that did the trick in a week
[03:03] <gunny> my exterminator was here today he put poison under the house andgave me glue traps
[03:04] <pussfeller> that stuff will take care of em way more than traps will
[03:04] <smouche> yeah, well, I prefer dealing with mice than waging chemical warfare on myself.
[03:04] <pussfeller> they take it back to the nest and give it to their little friends
[03:04] <gunny> better living through chemicals I say 
[03:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: I think desktop follows konqi configs
[03:05] <gunny> the traps were for the ones still hanging out inthe floorboards etc 
[03:07] <smouche> alright, damn I'm chatty tonight, gotta eat and clean a little, and watch some tube.
[03:07] <Tm_T> tube? tv?
[03:08] <smouche> yep
[03:08] <Tm_T> ok
[03:08] <smouche> "the boob tube"
[03:08] <gunny> ok ready for another tech support issue? I run gaim I like it, am used to it etc, whenever A sound plays ingaim, sound quits working in konqueror, any ideas?
[03:08] <smouche> (that's boob as in idiot)
[03:08] <gunny> I am not running esd I dont think
[03:08] <smouche> maybe you need to enable artsd
[03:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:09] <Tm_T> who need sound in konqi or gaim?
[03:09] <gunny> I have method arts selected in sound prefs in gaim 
[03:09] <gunny> my daughter's elmo flash game uses sound no elmo flash game = bad news for daddy 
[03:09] <Tm_T> btw what you think that wiki thing in amaroK ?
[03:10] <Tm_T> gunny: ok, and why gaim need sound?
[03:11] <Tm_T> ...
[03:11] <gunny> because every now and then my parents IM me and I can hear the chime and come into the office and see what they want 
[03:11] <Tm_T> heh
[03:11] <gunny> dammit I'm picky I want this software I paid nothing for to just work 
[03:11] <Tm_T> gunny: hmm, you can set it to open window
[03:11] <Tm_T> =)
[03:12] <Tm_T> sorry, I persnoally don't like my desktop give any plip or beeb
[03:12] <Tm_T> I have amaroK if I want some noise =)
[03:12] <gunny> yeah I know Tm_T  I can live without gaim sounds too I suppose
[03:13] <gunny> I really hate kopete's interface
[03:13] <gunny> or I'd use it 
[03:14] <Tm_T> Kopete is hmm, not so user friendly
[03:14] <KaiL> and a bit crashy
[03:15] <gunny> yes it is
[03:15] <gunny> and I suppose I could get trillian working in wine 
[03:15] <Tm_T> gunny: wtf
[03:15] <gunny> lol
[03:15] <Tm_T> oh why
[03:15] <gunny> gaim and trillian are my 2 favorite IM programs 
[03:16] <transgress> i prefer psi
[03:16] <gunny> I swear by trillian if you MUST use windows
[03:16] <Tm_T> hmm, I use gaim
[03:16] <Tm_T> that's it
[03:16] <Tm_T> just like gimp
[03:16] <transgress> i find gaim to be overkill when i just use jabber
[03:17] <gunny> if all my friends were on jabber I'd run a server 
[03:17] <Tm_T> doesn't matter if its windows or linux, it's gimp & gaim
[03:17] <kkathman> Tm_T uhm...changing those things in Konq doesnt do anything to the desktop
[03:17] <gunny> the gimp is pretty cool I just suck at using it 
[03:17] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, interesting
[03:17] <kkathman> gunny you should try gimpshop
[03:18] <gunny> I like simple editing tools like in GASP picassa
[03:18] <Tm_T> gunny: use it, you learn it with time
[03:18] <gunny> what is gimpshop?
[03:18] <KaiL> somebody here, who already had nForce4 or intel 955 based mainboards in his (or her) fingers?
[03:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: I don't like photoshops interface
[03:18] <transgress> i suck at art, so i have no use for gimp or gimpshop or photoshop
[03:18] <kkathman> gunny the problems I have with GIMP per se, is that it isnt very intuitive, and GimpShop realigns the menus to be more intuitive
[03:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm
[03:18] <kkathman> Tm_T GimpShop really isnt like Photoshop at all
[03:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: that's your opinion
[03:19] <Tm_T> =)
[03:19] <gunny> i just need to touch up digital photos fix red-eye an such 
[03:19] <Tm_T> I like gimp the way it is
[03:19] <kkathman> well, I have used both though and can credibly express an opinion
[03:19] <gunny> I have picassa running with wine and it works very well
[03:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, I never tried gimpshop myself, never even considered it
[03:19] <kkathman> Indeed, the people that created Gimp have admitted that they need to overhaul the menus and way the program works
[03:20] <kkathman> but all of that might go away if Krita lives up to expectations
[03:20] <Tm_T> =)
[03:21] <kkathman> Tm_T After using Paint Shop Pro, I did not like Photoshop either because it was so different. But because Photoshop is the industry standard, I forced myself to learn it.  I cant make that argument for Gimp, per se.
[03:22] <kkathman> but for alot of people Gimp is fine
[03:22] <gunny> my brother is a product manager fro Adobe, if I mention the Gimp to him on the  phone he hangs up on me 
[03:22] <Tm_T> =)
[03:22] <kkathman> gunny rofl
[03:23] <Tm_T> gunny: give me his email address
[03:23] <gunny> its true he tells me to run adobe apps in wine since they all pretty much work 
[03:23] <kkathman> gunny, nah, photoshop doesnt even work that well in wine 
[03:23] <gunny> why Tm_T ? gonna mail bomb him?
[03:23] <Tm_T> somebody gonna get a heavy load of GIMP spammm!!!!
[03:23] <Tm_T> =)
[03:23] <gunny> rofl 
[03:23] <smouche> gunny, ask your brother why acrobat reader loads so damn slowly!!
[03:23] <smouche> thank you, that is all.
[03:23] <gunny> I think adobe's email scrubbers filter them 
[03:24] <kkathman> Tm_T I could give you a graphic and see how long it takes you in GIMP and tell you how long it took me in Photoshop :)
[03:24] <kkathman> hehe
[03:24] <Tm_T> gunny: btw ask him if he can offer us a free app
[03:24] <gunny> well I would but he's the product manager of InDesign and he woul dhave no idea 
[03:24] <gunny> I get  a freebie dvd full of apps now and then 
[03:24] <kkathman> gunny Adobe just bought Macromedia so I wonder where GoLive is gonna end up?
[03:25] <gunny> no idea my brother wonders that as well his first dev team job was on go live 
[03:25] <Tm_T> adobe apps are way too expensive to students
[03:25] <gunny> ye sthey are 
[03:25] <gunny> I never bought one personally
[03:26] <kkathman> Tm_T oh please....there are 1000s of free keys out on the net..students run Photoshop for free!!!!
[03:26] <kkathman> not to mention that college student get it for $28
[03:26] <gunny> what *cough* steal software? lol
[03:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, I don't steal software
[03:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: and I don't think we have same offer in Finland
[03:27] <kkathman> Well universities get student discounts and they get all this software for like 1/10th the cost
[03:27] <gunny> I am looking forward to trying the new BeOS derivative if it ever comes out 
[03:27] <gunny> and if OS/2 gets OSS status I'm all over it 
[03:28] <kkathman> OS/2 ??? OMG!!!
[03:28] <gunny> ran warp and merlin here 
[03:28] <gunny> I loved em 
[03:28] <Diablo-D3> who the fuck cares.
[03:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, I'm not in university
[03:28] <Diablo-D3> all operating systems suck
[03:28] <Tm_T> OS/2 \o/
[03:28] <Tm_T> BeOS is interesting
[03:28] <kkathman> uh oh Diablo-D3  is here, fun's over...straighten up eneryone :)
[03:29] <kkathman> back to work!
[03:30] <Tm_T> haha
[03:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: what work?
[03:31] <gunny> shh busy being serious here
[03:31] <Tm_T> serious? it's something eatable?
[03:31] <Tm_T> like cherios?
[03:32] <gunny> yes just like cheerios
[03:32] <Tm_T> =)
[03:32] <gunny> only better
[03:32] <gunny> kinda like cheese only different 
[03:32] <Tm_T> haha
[03:33] <Tm_T> ok, I have >20 tabs in FF, time to read them trough
[03:37] <smouche> I LOVED BeOs personal edition
[03:37] <smouche> stopped working for me when I started using athlons, though
[03:37] <gunny> ok how do I get konqeror to open without that stupid welcome screen?
[03:38] <kkathman> gunny thats a good questions, I've been trying to get it to open up in one of its mode in various ways but there are bugs all around it.
[03:38] <Diablo-D3> read the welcome screen.
[03:38] <Tm_T> what welcome screen?
[03:38] <Diablo-D3> tm_T: the one gunny isnt reading
[03:38] <Tm_T> haha
[03:38] <KaiL> lol
[03:39] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: you're funny :)
[03:39] <Tm_T> hi KaiL 
[03:39] <Kisain> i have a question
[03:39] <Tm_T> go ahead
[03:39] <Kisain> how do i connect to my windows network?
[03:39] <Tm_T> Kisain: samba
[03:39] <Kisain> with kubuntu?
[03:39] <kkathman> samba
[03:39] <Kisain> whats samba?
[03:39] <smouche> gunny, I think there's something in the menus that lets you set a "profile" or somethng as default...
[03:39] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: with konq.
[03:39] <Tm_T> smouche: there is
[03:40] <kkathman> Kisain: sambe is the way that you connect to your windows network :)
[03:40] <Kisain>  ok
[03:40] <kkathman> samba that is :)
[03:40] <Diablo-D3> somewhere on you desktop is a shortcut to the local network thing in konq
[03:40] <Diablo-D3> Hey guys, _konq uses samba_
[03:40] <kkathman> yep
[03:40] <kkathman> but its not 2 way
[03:40] <Diablo-D3> So quit telling Kisain useless information
[03:40] <kkathman> you gotta set that stuff up
[03:40] <Kisain> um no theres not my desktop is blank for the most part
[03:40] <Tm_T> heh
[03:40] <Kisain> lol
[03:40] <kkathman> quit telling him its just Konq 
[03:40] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: try //machinename/
[03:41] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: in konq I mean
[03:41] <GameCat> evening all
[03:41] <smouche> Kisain, smb-client should work fine for accessing your windows shares.
[03:41] <Kisain> ok so how do i find this smb client
[03:42] <smouche> use the "go" menu in konq, and click on network folders, see what happens
[03:42] <Tm_T> wtf I can't extract tar.gz in Konqi
[03:42] <Diablo-D3> smb://machinename/ I think it is
[03:42] <gunny> kisain apt-het install samba and smbfs
[03:42] <Kisain> ok
[03:42] <gunny> er apt-get lol
[03:42] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: or that
[03:42] <Kisain> lol
[03:42] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: go -> network folders -> samba shares
[03:42] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kubuntu.html did I miss any common problems? 
[03:42] <Tm_T> haha, I got an idea
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: "how do I insert CDs?"
[03:43] <Kisain> ok which do i do your confusing me lol
[03:43] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: lol
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: do what I told you
[03:43] <smouche> Kisain, truly, I'm not lying to you, it takes 3 seconds, see what you have first!
[03:43] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: "why doesnt kubuntu play on my car stereo?"
[03:43] <smouche> Kisain, click on "go" in konq menu
[03:43] <smouche> then click on "network folders"
[03:43] <smouche> and see - you might get lucky
[03:43] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: common, not from idiots :)
[03:44] <kkathman> Hey I got kubuntu on my car stereo!!! It plays my 8 track tapes :)
[03:44] <Tm_T> smouche: install figlet
[03:44] <smouche> if your windows folders are set up to share, they should show in konq already
[03:44] <Kisain> there isen't anything there like that in the main menu :/
[03:44] <gunny> I caught kubuntu once penicillin fixed me right up 
[03:44] <smouche> Tm_T, wtf is figlet/
[03:44] <Tm_T> smouche: install it
[03:44] <smouche> ?
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: you should link to madwifi for wlan
[03:44] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: so any serious comments?
[03:44] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: not all cards use ndiswrapper
[03:45] <Diablo-D3> infact few do
[03:45] <kkathman> see I told you when the heavies come in the fun goes away :(
[03:45] <smouche> Kisain, look for "go".  It's there.
[03:45] <Tm_T> smouche: just install it
[03:45] <KaiL> what's madwifi?
[03:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, yep
[03:45] <Diablo-D3> a native linux binary driver for atheros based cards
[03:45] <Diablo-D3> a huge bulk of wlan cards use atheros chips
[03:45] <Kisain> it says i need to install samba
[03:45] <Tm_T> install it then
[03:45] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: it shouldnt. Is your kubuntu installation complete?
[03:45] <Kisain> ok
[03:46] <Kisain> as far as i know
[03:46] <Kisain> it is
[03:46] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: for kicks, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[03:46] <Kisain> but don't qoute me on that it's my first day usin it lol
[03:46] <Kisain> i alredy did
[03:46] <Kisain> i have ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:46] <Kisain> and they appear to be fine
[03:46] <Tm_T> smouche: got it?
[03:46] <Diablo-D3> Then... I need to file bugs on kubuntu-desktop
[03:46] <smouche> No, Tm_T, I don't cause I don't know what it is.
[03:47] <Diablo-D3> it should include enough to use libsmbcrap
[03:47] <Tm_T> smouche: just funny program
[03:47] <gunny> whiskey tango foxtrot is figlet?
[03:47] <Kisain> i downloaded the install iso did that updated installed what i wanted played with it for a week
[03:47] <Kisain> then went to kubuntu
[03:47] <Tm_T> gunny: try it =)
[03:47] <Kisain> after installing it through syn
[03:47] <Diablo-D3> gunny: serria tango foxtrot uniform
[03:47] <Kisain> so i am gussing everything is there
[03:47] <smouche> I'll google it, Tm_T, but I don't install nuthin' till I know what it does...
[03:47] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: one would assume.
[03:47] <kkathman> well when I installed kubuntu-desktop I didnt need to do anything to see the window shares, but there was lots of work for them to see the linux shares :)
[03:47] <Tm_T> smouche: oh come on, trust me
[03:48] <Kisain> could i atually not have everything?
[03:48] <Tm_T> smouche: really, it's jsut a small funny app
[03:48] <smouche> Kisain, search in synaptic or whatever, see if you have smb-client on there.
[03:48] <Kisain> kk
[03:48] <gunny> ok I installed it and typed figlet at a cli it just does nothing 
[03:48] <Tm_T> gunny: say "filget foobar"
[03:49] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: apt-get install samba-client
[03:49] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: that should fix it
[03:49] <Kisain> k i'll try it
[03:49] <gunny> cute 
[03:49] <Tm_T> gunny: or, " figlet -p -t foobar plah plah"
[03:49] <Tm_T> gunny: next, try "apt-get moo | figlet -p -t "
[03:50] <Kisain> it's alredy the current version
[03:50] <gunny> roflcopter 
[03:50] <Tm_T> =)
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> well wtf
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> I can do it
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> I wonder what I have installed that you dont
[03:50] <Kisain> what am i retardwed or sumtin? lol
[03:50] <smouche> mine worked out of the box
[03:50] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: quite possible, yes
[03:51] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: file updated
[03:51] <Kisain> HEY!!! lol
[03:51] <Tm_T> smouche: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_017.png
[03:51] <Kisain> o_0
[03:51] <KaiL> also added RaLink (as in by Linksys PCI here)
[03:51] <Tm_T> smouche: there you see figlet in action
[03:51] <smouche> don't tell me, Kisain 
[03:51] <smouche> no, tell me
[03:51] <smouche> what happened?
[03:51] <Kisain> tell you what?
[03:51] <Tm_T> error403: hi
[03:51] <error403> Hostname: deepthought2 - OS: Linux 2.6.10-5-386/i686 - CPU: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ (800.521 MHz) - Processes: 85 - Uptime: 3h 10m - Load Average: 0.04 - Memory Usage: 106.64MB/694.36MB (15.36%) - Disk Usage: 24.77GB/106.46GB (23.27%)
[03:51] <Kisain> it says it's the current version of samba
[03:51] <error403> :O
[03:51] <error403> everyone break out the sysinfo scripts!
[03:52] <Kisain> sysinfo
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> sysinfo sucks
[03:52] <error403> Tm_T: guess what!  im running irssi in a transparent Eterm window..
[03:52] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:52] <error403> :D
[03:52] <error403> borderless too...
[03:52] <KaiL> error403: uhm, clock scaling works out of the box for you?
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> wtf, you have smbclient installed
[03:52] <smouche> me too error403, ain't it cool?
[03:52] <Tm_T> error403: I guessed so
[03:52] <error403> yes ti does
[03:52] <gunny> apt-get moo | fig
[03:52] <error403> KaiL: yes, it does
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[03:53] <Kisain> huh?
[03:53] <Kisain> which one?
[03:53] <Kisain> lol
[03:53] <KaiL> interesting, on my desktop Sempron it took me 2 weeks to find the problem :)
[03:53] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: ?
[03:53] <Kisain> sorry kinda drunk so i'm dumber than normal lol
[03:53] <Tm_T> error403: got those blue lines transparent too already?
[03:53] <Kisain> but i know theres no go in my start menu
[03:53] <error403> nope...
[03:53] <error403> :(
[03:53] <Tm_T> error403: heh, I suppose it's easy
[03:54] <KaiL> that's a real Sempron based laptop?
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: go is in the konq menu
[03:54] <error403> am i just lucky with my laptop?
[03:54] <error403> lol
[03:54] <smouche> Tm_T - you can get the blue lines to go away?
[03:54] <error403> everything works out-the-box for me....
[03:54] <Kisain> ok how do i find that menu?
[03:54] <error403> i can?
[03:54] <Tm_T> smouche: oh yess
[03:54] <smouche> tell me, now, how -- how now brown cow!
[03:54] <Kisain> all i have is this k in a kear
[03:54] <Kisain> gear
 everything works out-the-box for me.... << that's normal with kubuntu :)
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: its the fourth entry in the menu bar
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: after location, edit, and view
[03:54] <error403> i thought so...
[03:54] <error403> thats why i love Kubuntu
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> heh
[03:55] <error403> Linux that WORKS
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> everything works out of the box for me
[03:55] <error403> lol
[03:55] <Kisain> i have kubuntu
[03:55] <KaiL> I was really a bit dissapointed, as this Athlon TB system here had overall 4 problems
[03:55] <Kisain> and i have no idea what there talkin about
[03:55] <Tm_T> smouche: http://gallery.vapina.org/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album01&id=20042005_kde340
[03:55] <Kisain> lol
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> since debian slink for me
[03:55] <Tm_T> smouche: there you can see irssi without blue lines
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: in konq
[03:55] <error403> how you get rid of the blue lines?
[03:55] <Kisain> hold on for a sec lol
[03:55] <Tm_T> smouche: you tried figlet already?
[03:56] <smouche> Tm_T, I don't want to see someone else without the blue lines, I want to see myself without the blue lines!!
[03:56] <Diablo-D3> erm, who owns that faq page?
[03:56] <KaiL> 1 missing driver, 1 broken DDC, 1 f*cked S3 in Bios and a silent audigy - so now down to 1 problem (the S3)
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: yours, right?
[03:57] <Tm_T> smouche: I won't tell ya if you don't try figlet first
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: drop that bullshit mention of the G-Series cards
[03:57] <smouche> Tm_T, do me a solid dude and just tell me
[03:57] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[03:57] <smouche> I told you about Eterm!
[03:57] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: hm?
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: G100 through G550 do _not_ require binary drivers
[03:57] <Tm_T> smouche: hmeh
[03:57] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: they never did, and never will
[03:57] <Tm_T> smouche: okay, I find it and tell ya then
[03:58] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: ever tried the DVI on a G550?
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: yes
[03:58] <KaiL> doesn't work without
[03:58] <gunny> oh man I just found out how to turn off that welcome to konqueror screen
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: I own a G550, and I borrowed my friend's DVI LCD panel
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> gunny: by reading the welcome screen?
[03:58] <gunny> yeah lol
[03:58] <Diablo-D3> gunny: I told you to read it damnit
[03:58] <gunny> lick introduction  then read 
[03:58] <KaiL> if it work on yours, it's the first, where it does this
[03:58] <gunny> rofl I just got around to it 
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: it worked fine with xorg+dri
[03:59] <KaiL> that's strange
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: it _used_ to do that
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> like way back in the early xf86-4 days
[03:59] <gunny> it still wont open with my homepage though lol
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> and it only ever applied to specifically the 550
[03:59] <gunny> justa blank screen 
[03:59] <Diablo-D3> not any other G series
[03:59] <Kisain> ok let me start from the beginning
[03:59] <Kisain> what konq?
[03:59] <smouche> man, that's a nice desktop shot there, Tm_T
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: there is more than one konq?
[04:00] <smouche> what's nicotine?  P2P?
[04:00] <Kisain> i don't even know what that is
[04:00] <Kisain> so i don't know
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> smouche: its a popular additive to cigarattes
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: konqueror
[04:00] <Kisain> and that is?
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> -_-
[04:00] <Tm_T> smouche: you tell me
[04:00] <Kisain> is that the equivilent of the windows start menu
[04:00] <Kisain> ?
[04:00] <smouche> uh, Kisain, you're playing with us right?
[04:00] <Diablo-D3> "What is Internet Explorer?"
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> "What is The Internet?"
[04:01] <Kisain> no i'm litarlly that new to linux
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> "What is a nipple?"
[04:01] <smouche> rofl
[04:01] <Kisain> i've used windows all my life
[04:01] <Tm_T> smouche: damn, dualscreen and big enough monitors =)
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> "What is a clue, for $500"
[04:01] <Kisain> HEY!!! lol
[04:01] <Kisain> jeeze i know i don't know anything about linux and i don't pretend to
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: konq is the thing that looks like windows/internet explorer
[04:02] <Kisain> i was always taught that the only stupid question was the one you diden't ask
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: the web browser and file manager
[04:02] <Diablo-D3> You were taught wrong.
[04:02] <Kisain> thanx 
[04:02] <Tm_T> :)
[04:02] <Kisain> lol
[04:02] <Tm_T> haha
[04:02] <kkathman> Kisain: hang in there, we all had to learn...you are just the nightly hazing contestant :)
[04:02] <Kisain> oh i see
[04:02] <Kisain> yay!
[04:02] <Tm_T> wheeee
[04:02] <Kisain> ^_^
[04:03] <Tm_T> ouh, that was mistake
[04:03] <Kisain> gusse what i found it
[04:03] <Kisain> it that browser that i've been using to serf the net lol
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> -_-
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> Yeah really.
[04:03] <Tm_T> smouche: hmm, one way is change theme... I wouldn't do it that way though
[04:03] <Diablo-D3> You're english is worse than some of the koreans I've seen on battle net
[04:03] <Kisain> you have to understand i was a poor pathetic windows user all my life
[04:03] <kkathman> Ooooo tough crowd tonight
[04:04] <smouche> Serfing the net is Microsoft's job
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> ^______________________^ *happy-sama!*
[04:04] <Kisain> i'm not used to the way linux does things just yet lol
[04:04] <smouche> evil feudal fiefdom that it is
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> Serfing. The pun... is horrid.
[04:04] <Kisain>      ok .............huh?
[04:04] <smouche> That's ok, Tm_T!
[04:04] <kkathman> Kisain   you will just be more enlightened then..but in the meantime....
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: Serfing vs Surfing.
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: Serfs as in pesants
[04:04] <Kisain> ahhh i see
[04:04] <Diablo-D3> pesants?
[04:04] <gunny> ok save view profiles is counter intuitive as all hell I guess I should have read that whole manual lol
[04:05] <Diablo-D3> peasants?
[04:05] <Diablo-D3> pisanos!
[04:05] <smouche> Tm_T: if you find out, let me know, but anyway I need to read more of the irssi docs.
[04:05] <Diablo-D3> Hey pisanos, welcome to the super mario super show!
[04:05] <KaiL> I might have asked before, somebody using a one of these nice PCIe chipsets (nForce4, intel 955, VIA K8T890 and the ones from vendors, I'd like to forget)?
[04:05] <Kisain> well fortunatly i have linux gods like yous to help me through this weard place called linux
[04:05] <Tm_T> Kisain: weird ;)
[04:05] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: pcie on linux is teh fail
[04:05] <Kisain> my box is an ibm netvista machene type 2254
[04:06] <smouche> Kisain, dude, you in Brooklyn?
[04:06] <kkathman> Kisain nah whats bad is that we are only the level 2 support
[04:06] <Kisain> my celrey stalks at night
[04:06] <gunny> linux isn;t weird now VAX, VAX is weird
[04:06] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: hey now
[04:06] <Kisain> naw i live in da u.p
[04:06] <smouche> ouch
[04:06] <kkathman> VAX is weird
[04:06] <Tm_T> I'm weird
[04:06] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: PCIe itself not, but it introduces very much new hardware at one time
[04:06] <Diablo-D3> I actually give out great tech support
[04:06] <Kisain> was born in ware
[04:06] <coldsalmon> hi all
[04:06] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: see I knew that would wake you up :)
[04:06] <Diablo-D3> vax is godly
[04:06] <gunny> I supported vax for nearly a year yeesh 
[04:06] <transgress> my job is tech support... well part of it is
[04:06] <Kisain> nice
[04:06] <kkathman> damn gunny you are as old as me :)
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> transgress: I upgraded my job
[04:07] <Tm_T> smouche: wan't to change theme? goto irssi.org
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> I'm now a freelance tech
[04:07] <transgress> Diablo-D3: also sysadmin...
[04:07] <Kisain> i think linux-speak is a sepreate language from english
[04:07] <kkathman> gunny you remember PDP's?
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> where I can charge anything I want, and drive around in a nice car
[04:07] <Tm_T> Kisain: ehhh
[04:07] <gunny> not really 
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> pdp11 > *
[04:07] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: the intel 915 ("Centrino 2") doesn't make and bigger problems
[04:07] <smouche> I'll check it out after I get my tv fix, Tm_T.  Time for ER. pathetic, I know...
[04:07] <kkathman> yeah PDP8 tho?
[04:07] <KaiL> any..
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: english you fail lightsaber
[04:07] <Tm_T> ok, you guys drive me crazy, I'm off ->
[04:07] <Kisain> lol
[04:07] <Diablo-D3> karma karma karma icecream jump lol
[04:07] <gunny> I dint get that deep into vax I just knew that the main michelin sales dabase ran on vax and the mainframe
[04:08] <Kisain> my celery stalks at night
[04:08] <Kisain> my potato has eyes and my onion crys
[04:08] <kkathman> Geez Diablo-D3  you can actually be fun sometimes .. just have to get an unsuspection plebe in here
[04:08] <Diablo-D3> gunny: they've long since switched to bsd boxen acting as frontends for solaris DBs
[04:08] <Kisain> huh?
[04:08] <KaiL> if nForce4 would make problems, we would have heared it here, I guess (should be the topseller on PCIe)
[04:08] <Kisain> can you gerber style that for me?
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> hahahah
[04:09] <gunny> biggest nightmare of my life was reconfiguring a forklift printer in canada through the network 
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: I hate nforce chips though
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> gunny: hah, I would have just remotely installed nbsd on it and gone from there
[04:09] <Diablo-D3> remember, nbsd runs on anything^Weverything
[04:09] <KaiL> my nForce3 works perfect
[04:09] <coldsalmon> anybody know what happened to the menu applet in the kicker?
[04:10] <gunny> system was locked down so tight I couldn't install freakin hellow world if I wanted 
[04:10] <Kisain> why you hate nforce chips?
[04:10] <gunny> they aren't salty enough 
[04:10] <KaiL> better than the 3 of the 4 VIAs before (VPX, MVP3, MVP4, KT133)
[04:10] <transgress> gunny: nice... that got a few laughs
[04:10] <kkathman> coldsalmon: now how would we know what happened to your menu applet? lol
[04:10] <Kisain> can ubntu/kubuntu run dual or quad cpu's?
[04:10] <Kisain> i have a pc with 2 p4's and a pc with 4 p4's
[04:10] <gunny> just need a smp kernel 
[04:10] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: why wouldnt it?
[04:10] <kkathman> but I'll bite coldsalmon - what DID happen?
[04:10] <coldsalmon> well... does anyone else have a menu applet on their kicker?
[04:10] <Kisain> i don't know 
[04:10] <Diablo-D3> Hell, you can boot linux on a 128 cpu NUMA system
[04:11] <Kisain> remember i'm a linux tard for now
[04:11] <Kisain> lol
[04:11] <Diablo-D3> the kind that have a cooling system the size of a city block
[04:11] <Kisain> wow
[04:11] <kkathman> coldsalmon: you mean the little K on the far left?
[04:11] <Diablo-D3> they make HAL jelous
[04:11] <Diablo-D3> *jealous
[04:11] <Kisain> onnce i get the other 2 cpu's for my system i'm gonna install kubuntu on my mainframe
[04:11] <Diablo-D3> ironically, it was IBM who did it
[04:12] <coldsalmon> no, the actual applet that lets you put the Mac-OS menu in the kicker.
[04:12] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: was about to throw you a dictionary :)
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I blame my keyboard, its starting to drop keys
[04:12] <Kisain> my system has it is now
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> I guess 12 years is far too long for a keyboard
[04:12] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: you have that model too ??
[04:12] <Kisain> 2 pentiums 4 3.8ghz
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> and by drop, I mean literally drop
[04:12] <Kisain> 2gigs rambus
[04:12] <Kisain> 3 120gig 10,00rpm hd's
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> the clips on the bottom of keys are starting to not work
[04:12] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: what as slow system
[04:13] <Kisain> f 42 in flat panel monitors
[04:13] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  you know its time to get a new keyboard when the letters are gone
[04:13] <Kisain> 4
[04:13] <Kisain> what
[04:13] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: but I love this keyboard
[04:13] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: its almost happy hacker in quality
[04:13] <Kisain> my system will kick the shit outta yours anyday
[04:13] <Kisain> when it's running ubuntu that is :)
[04:13] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: I have a quad opteron sitting around here somewhere
[04:13] <Kisain> nice
[04:13] <coldsalmon> I can enable the menu at the top of the screen, but I can't put it in the main panel, even with the Baghira menu.
[04:13] <Kisain> i gotta get the other 2 cpus for mine
[04:13] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: ahhhh but yanno, give it a good burial say a few nice words, then have a bucket of chicken and get to Office Depot
[04:13] <Diablo-D3> you know its sad that you can ping a machine, but otherwise have it physically lost
[04:13] <Kisain> for a total of 4
[04:13] <error403> lol
[04:14] <Kisain> but rambus rocks 6 gig transfer rate
[04:14] <Kisain> per sec
[04:14] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: physically lost?
[04:14] <Kisain> 3 10,000 rpm hds
[04:14] <Kisain> sata
[04:14] <error403> Diablo-D3: as long as you have SSH, who needs to find it?
[04:14] <Diablo-D3> error403: well, I think it may be burried under pizza boxen
[04:14] <Kisain> i build my own computers you never know the quality of the pre configured systems
[04:14] <error403> lol
[04:14] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: _sata_ wtf?
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> scsi160.
[04:15] <Kisain> it's a new type of hard drive connector
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> you entirely missed the point of my comment, didnt you.
[04:15] <Kisain> instead of customary ide cables it uses a 8 pin cable including power
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> scsi160 is serial scsi
[04:15] <Kisain> it has a 4 gig transfer rate
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> serial scsi > sata
[04:15] <Kisain> it's faster than scsi
[04:15] <Diablo-D3> why would anyone waste a 10krpm drive on sata
[04:16] <Kisain> min hd speed for this type of system is 10,00rpm's
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: my ass.
[04:16] <Kisain> i've spent over 11,000 on my system
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> sata2 _almost_ beats scsi160
[04:16] <error403> Diablo-D3: say what you said out loud....
[04:16] <Kisain> what you mean my ass
[04:16] <kkathman> $11 GRAND????????
[04:16] <Kisain> dude i been buildin computers sence i was 12
[04:16] <Kisain> yea
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> I've been programming C since I was 8.
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> I got my first computer when I was 5.
[04:16] <Kisain> never went to school for it either
[04:16] <error403> i been breathing since i was born
[04:16] <Diablo-D3> I was reading adult novels when I was 4.
[04:17] <Kisain> just seems like instinkt to me
[04:17] <kkathman> damn... thats a year of college at a state school!!!
[04:17] <Kisain> lol
[04:17] <error403> doesnt mean i am anoy better at it now than i used to be
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> I scored a 1450 on SATs.
[04:17] <Kisain> nice
[04:17] <Kisain> did better than me
[04:17] <Diablo-D3> I also have a bigger penis.
[04:17] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: hmmm Steinbeck?
[04:17] <Kisain> tmi
[04:17] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  I would hope its bigger than at 4
[04:17] <Kisain> dude my mainframe(thats what i call it cause it controls everything in the house) 
[04:18] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I have an entire staff to help me carry it around.
[04:18] <Kisain> is the fastest computer that i know of
[04:18] <Diablo-D3> the fastest computer is... asci white iirc.
[04:18] <Kisain> thats why i can't waite to run linux on it
[04:18] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: Nice....my wife owns mine...lucky you
[04:18] <Kisain> i'm thinking there will be a 25-50% increase in speed
[04:19] <Kisain> all i know is now that i've seen the light microsoft can suck my @$$
[04:19] <kkathman> $11,000 for a computer.....wow
[04:19] <Kisain> hey i hand built it
[04:19] <kkathman> I guess Im just cheaper labor
[04:19] <Kisain> it runs my7 32in dobsonian reflector
[04:20] <Kisain> as mwell as most of the electronics and lights in my house
[04:20] <error403> lol
[04:20] <Kisain> i want a 64 bit
[04:20] <Kisain> i hear they rock
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: no you dont
[04:20] <error403> im building a 64-bit soon
[04:20] <Kisain> yes i do
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> its completely useless unless you have apps designed for it
[04:20] <Kisain> i payed an assload for that telescope
[04:20] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  correctomundo
[04:20] <error403> 64-bit linux kernel, here i come..
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> ie, games will still totally rock on 32bit x86 for years to come
[04:20] <Kisain> it's 6 1/2 feet tall weighs 400lbs
[04:21] <Diablo-D3> not that I'm saying x86 rocks or anything
[04:21] <error403> .heh
[04:21] <Kisain> nice
[04:21] <Kisain> i payed 22,500 for it pre built
[04:21] <Diablo-D3> ppc64 > *
[04:21] <Kisain> when my grandparents died i used the inheritance for a lot of shit
[04:22] <kkathman> time for dinner...brb
[04:22] <Kisain> at the time my computer was state of the art.....
[04:22] <Diablo-D3> You should have invested it into getting a high school education.
[04:22] <Kisain> untill i opend the box :(
[04:22] <Kisain> dude i graduated twice with honors
[04:23] <coldsalmon> bye
[04:23] <Kisain> and in the fall i'm goin to northern michigan technological university to get my doctrate in computer science
[04:23] <Tm_T> smouche_tube: btw I just made my own irssi theme
[04:24] <Kisain> i'm not sayin i'm the brightest guy in the world but i'm not dumb either
[04:24] <Diablo-D3> Not being the brightest guy in the world pretty much precludes you from not being dumb.
[04:24] <Kisain> have you ever herd of hot wind talk?
[04:24] <Kisain> lol
[04:24] <smouche_tube> cool, Tm_T - got a screenshot?
[04:25] <Kisain> have you the adacity to insinuate that i prevaracate?
[04:25] <Kisain> hey i know there's people out there who are smarter than me
[04:25] <Diablo-D3> Goddamnit, why the hell doesnt google news have an rss feed?
[04:25] <Kisain> not that i care
[04:25] <Kisain> night dude
[04:26] <pussfeller> google is old school thats why
[04:26] <Tm_T> smouche: just testing it and fixing, I take screenshot when it's ready
[04:26] <Kisain> i ask this question as sorta a self diagnostic (called it that sence i was a kid don't ask)
[04:26] <pussfeller> their wad is already been shot
[04:27] <Kisain> am i annoyin you guys and or gals?
[04:27] <smouche> Tm_T, this theming stuff easy to do? 
[04:27] <KaiL> Diablo-D3: after asking google, the LAN chip is the only problem with nForce4
[04:27] <Tm_Nuada> heh
[04:27] <smouche> heh heh, I mean for an idiot like me...
[04:27] <Kisain> cause if i am i'm sorry
[04:27] <Kisain> i don't ever mean to offend or bother
[04:27] <Tm_T> smouche: well, yes and no
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> KaiL: cool
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> but I still officially hate nforce
[04:28] <Tm_T> Kisain: np at all
[04:28] <Kisain> k
[04:28] <KaiL> ...and that's REALLY bleading edge hardware
[04:28] <smouche> I don't know any perl, Tm_T, so irssi scripts are terra incognita for me
[04:28] <Kisain> just let me know if i'm bein to much
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> perl is easy
[04:28] <Kisain> i like to make new freinds not chase people away
[04:28] <Tm_T> smouche: well, just look default.theme
[04:29] <smouche> Kissain, don't worry, if you see any mass migrations out of here, it's just a netsplit!
[04:29] <Tm_T> haha
[04:29] <Tm_T> smouche: nope, it's your smell
[04:29] <Kisain> whats a netsplit?
[04:29] <Tm_T> ;p
[04:29] <Kisain> lol
[04:30] <smouche> (ok, everybody log out right now...)
[04:30] <Tm_T> nah
[04:30] <Tm_T> I wont
[04:30] <Kisain> you guys probibly think that i'm the dumbest n00b out there eh?
[04:31] <Tm_T> Kisain: nope, second
[04:31] <smouche> Kisain, stop flattering yourself
[04:31] <smouche> I'm not ready to pass that torch yet.
[04:31] <Tm_T> smouche: I was thinking that one too
[04:31] <Kisain> not flatering just bein truthfull
[04:31] <smouche> I see right through you, Tm_T, you're pseudo-transparent!
[04:31] <Kisain> lol
[04:31] <Tm_Nuada> hahaha
[04:32] <Tm_Nuada> smouche: just guess how transparent =)
[04:32] <Kisain> yea i don't flatter myself ever i know my limitations
[04:32] <smouche> Kisain, if you really really want noob-abuse, try, hmmm -- what's a good channel for that...
[04:32] <smouche> maybe #kde?
[04:32] <Kisain> hey i'm fine here lol
[04:32] <Tm_Nuada> haha
[04:33] <Kisain> i can take it and dish it :)
[04:33] <Kisain> just don't go overboard
[04:33] <Kisain> lol
[04:33] <Kisain> oh i forgot you guys don't know! lol
[04:33] <Kisain> ^_^
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> smouche: #gentoo
[04:34] <Tm_Nuada> err
[04:34] <Diablo-D3> or #linux on efnet
[04:34] <Tm_Nuada> haha
[04:34] <Tm_Nuada> smouche: man this is... wrong coloured..
[04:34] <smouche> Tm_Nuada, where's the real Tm_T and what have you done with his body?
[04:34] <Kisain> i spent 12 years in a monistary in hartford ct usa before i left.
[04:35] <Kisain> so i'm used to all kinds of shit
[04:35] <smouche> Well, that's a resume I don't hear everyday.
[04:35] <Tm_T> smouche: I only have ... four minds and one head... quadrophenia!
[04:35] <Kisain> both good and bad
[04:35] <Kisain> lol
[04:36] <smouche> I picture you as wearing goggles with dozens of xterms on the lenses, like bugs' eyes, Tm_T
[04:36] <Kisain> scuse me for bein blabber mouthed i'm drunk
[04:36] <Kisain> bacardi 151
[04:36] <smouche> keeping an eye on 87 irc channels
[04:36] <smouche> at the same time
[04:36] <Kisain> how the hell?
[04:36] <Tm_T> smouche: haha
[04:37] <smouche> ok, no lie, I gotta stop blabbing, and do something constructive.
[04:37] <Tm_T> haha
[04:37] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, you do something other, I do this irssi theme
[04:37] <smouche> like watching commercial tv
[04:37] <Tm_T> haha
[04:37] <smouche> catch you later!
[04:38] <Kisain> hey howq do you cange the (inwindwos its called the start menu) in kubuntu to somthin cooler?
[04:38] <Kisain> i still have the default one
[04:39] <Kisain> thanx for puttin up with me guys it's really nice of you
[04:41] <Kisain> wow it died in here really quick
[04:41] <Kisain> oh well
[04:41] <Kisain> hey you guys wanna check out some really cool websites(no porn)
[04:42] <Tm_Nuada> eeh
[04:42] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, something strange...
[04:43] <Kisain> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/index2.shtml
[04:43] <Kisain> or
[04:43] <jiger> hi all. I am seeing some verrrrrrrry strange behaviour. All gtk apps(gkrellm, firefox, firestarter) is crashing on desktop change!?!?
[04:43] <Kisain> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/
[04:43] <transgress> i wish flash worked better in konq...
[04:43] <transgress> that would make me happy
[04:43] <jiger> anyone seen this behaviour?
[04:43] <Tm_T> nope
[04:43] <Kisain> http://www.amishdonkey.com/
[04:44] <jiger> and what cud be the reason. no new apps/libs installed
[04:44] <Tm_T> Kisain: hmm?
[04:44] <Kisain> no but i have noticed a weard incidence with firefox and w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386
[04:44] <Tm_T> Kisain: you wan't to edit your Kmenu appearance?
[04:44] <Kisain> yea
[04:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:45] <Kisain> it sometimes crashes when you hit the back button
[04:45] <Kisain> it's weard
[04:45] <Kisain> dosen't do it all the time seems random
[04:46] <Kisain> and yes want some sort of techno geek theme
[04:46] <Tm_Nuada> hmm hmm
[04:46] <Kisain> cause i'ma techno geek
[04:47] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, I take pic now
[04:47] <Kisain> up intill 6 months ago i had to 150inch monitors on my wall
[04:47] <Tm_Nuada> so smile ;)
[04:47] <Kisain> till the projectors burned out
[04:47] <Kisain> :)
[04:48] <Tm_Nuada> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_020.png
[04:48] <Tm_Nuada> =)
[04:49] <Tm_Nuada> Kisain: so what do you think, ok?
[04:49] <Kisain> wow thats neat how you do that in knosole
[04:49] <Kisain> dude it's awsome
[04:49] <Kisain> i want the desktop
[04:49] <Tm_T> it's not Konsole
[04:49] <Kisain> oh ok
[04:49] <Kisain> is it irssi?
[04:50] <Tm_T> hmm, it's Eterm
[04:50] <Kisain> i have it but don't know how to use it
[04:50] <Tm_T> and irssi in it
[04:50] <Kisain> OOOOhhhhh.
[04:50] <Kisain> i don't know how to use irssi
[04:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:50] <Kisain> but i want the desktop lol
[04:50] <Kisain> i'm a dead head
[04:50] <Tm_T> haha
[04:50] <Kisain> and that rocks
[04:51] <Tm_T> you tell me
[04:51] <Tm_T> Kisain: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/GD-lamp_5a.png
[04:51] <Tm_Nuada> I gimped it myself
[04:52] <pussfeller> how you make pencil be straingt line in gimp, i thot it was "shift"
[04:52] <Tm_Nuada> ehh
[04:53] <pussfeller> where a line you draw will be straight
[04:53] <Tm_Nuada> hmm, path tool
[04:53] <pussfeller> nm it is shift
[04:53] <Tm_Nuada> hmm
[04:53] <Tm_Nuada> dunno what you mean so ...
[04:54] <Tm_Nuada> just test and drive ;p
[04:56] <Kisain> i have every dead cd on my linux pod
[04:56] <Kisain_> internet got disconnected lol
[04:57] <Kisain_> linux pod=i pod that has podzilla on it
[04:57] <Tm_Nuada> hmh
[04:58] <Kisain_> internet crashed damnit
[04:58] <Tm_Nuada> nope
[04:58] <Kisain_> podzilla came has a install for winsux
[04:58] <Tm_Nuada> it was just your internet connection ;p
[04:59] <Kisain_> LOL
[04:59] <Kisain_> so how do i cange my start bar to somthin techy?
[04:59] <Kisain_> change*
[04:59] <Tm_Nuada> it's Kmenu
[04:59] <Tm_Nuada> remember that
[04:59] <Kisain_> ok
[04:59] <Kisain_> kmenu
[05:00] <Tm_Nuada> and you mean that icon ?
[05:00] <Kisain_> tastesd better than start menu and less fillin
[05:00] <Kisain_> OOOOoooooohhhhhhh!
[05:00] <Tm_Nuada> or whole menu
[05:00] <Kisain_> [adult swim]  is on
[05:00] <Kisain_> ^_^
[05:00] <Kisain_> whole menu
[05:01] <Kisain_> i wanna put somethin techy in
[05:01] <Tm_Nuada> it follows your desktop theme
[05:02] <Kisain_> oh so to theme kmenu i'd have to theme everything?
[05:02] <Tm_Nuada> yes
[05:02] <Kisain_> thats cool
[05:02] <Kisain_> no isshue
[05:02] <GameCat> if you can find the right icon, you can change it on it's own
[05:02] <Kisain_> oh wow
[05:02] <Tm_Nuada> Kisain_: kde-look.org
[05:03] <verden01> Hi
[05:03] <Tm_Nuada> hi verden01 
[05:03] <verden01> hey Tm_Nuada 
[05:03] <Kisain_> what would you suggest for a techy theme somethin cool
[05:03] <Kisain_> maybe even l-cars realted?
[05:03] <Tm_Nuada> ok, this goes away ->
[05:03] <verden01> i see a lot of people from Finland on here nearly as many as us Aussies
[05:04] <Kisain_> no matter what i want your greatfull dead desktop
[05:04] <Tm_T> Kisain_: I gave url to you already
[05:05] <Kisain_> why would they make a windoze icon?
[05:05] <Kisain_> i am at kde-look
[05:05] <Tm_T> as a joke maybe?
[05:05] <Kisain_> it's awsome
[05:06] <Kisain_> i gusse i like the one on ubuntu's werbsite though
[05:06] <Kisain_> the dog pissin on microsoft
[05:06] <Kisain_> due justice i say
[05:06] <Kisain_> the dead head one is here?
[05:11] <Kisain_> [ADULT SWIM]  rocks!
[05:12] <Tm_T> Kisain_: hmm, deadhead is where?
[05:12] <Kisain_> i'm tryin to find it
[05:12] <Kisain_> unless yu made it lol
[05:12] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/GD-lamp_5a.png
[05:12] <Tm_T> yes, I "made" it
[05:13] <Tm_T> just edited couple of pics etc
[05:15] <Kisain_> awsome thanx ^_^
[05:15] <Tm_T> np
[05:16] <Tm_T> that's still under heavy editing, so don't spread it yet
[05:16] <Kisain_> how do you change your name here?
[05:16] <Kisain_> without exiting?
[05:16] <Tm_T>  /nick <newname>
[05:17] <Tm_T> yuk
[05:17] <Tm_T> xchat :/
[05:18] <Tm_T> eh
[05:18] <[ADULT> yay
[05:18] <narg> apt servers down?
[05:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > there we go
[05:33] <Tm_T> narg: ?
[05:35] <Tm_T> haha "visudo" actually opened _nano_ 
[05:38] <narg> Tm_T: ?
[05:39] <chavo> Tm_T, it uses the EDITOR variable.
[05:41] <Tm_T> chavo: ok =)
[05:42] <Tm_T> chavo: just little funny :)
[05:42] <Tm_T> narg: "apt" servers are up and running
[05:42] <chavo> Yeah, you'd think it used vi
[05:42] <Tm_T> chavo: I supposed so
[05:42] <Tm_T> chavo: but nano is better imo
[05:43] <chavo> yep, nothing wrong with nano
[05:43] <Tm_T> hmm, strange
[05:44] <Tm_T> so "visudo" is actually symlink or something
[05:44] <chavo> No, it uses the EDITOR env variable
[05:44] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:44] <chavo> try this -> export EDITOR=kwrite
[05:45] <chavo> then do visudo
[05:45] <chavo> It will open in kwrite
[05:45] <Tm_T> well, in my FC3 box : "bash: visudo: command not found"
[05:45] <Tm_T> chavo: yes I know
[06:14] <Tm_T> oh, it's really nice that you make it clear when you are here ;)
[06:17] <Tm_T> hm
[06:18] <kkathman> ls -l
[06:18] <kkathman> dang it
[06:19] <kkathman> I always forget where my cursor is :)
[06:19] <Tm_T> haha
[06:20] <kkathman> duh
[06:20] <kkathman> doh
[06:20] <Tm_T> sad, filget broke my moo
[06:20] <Tm_T> figlet
[06:20] <kkathman> figlet?
[06:20] <Tm_T> yes
[06:20] <kkathman> what the heck is figlet?
[06:20] <Tm_T> install it
[06:20] <Tm_T> so you don't have to ask
[06:21] <kkathman> no thanks ... not if I dont know what it is :)
[06:21] <Tm_T> trust me, just install it
[06:22] <kkathman> oh ok I see what it is
[06:22] <Tm_T> :)
[06:22] <kkathman> eh~~
[06:22] <Tm_T> after you installed it, say " apt-get moo | figlet -p -t "
[06:25] <Tm_T> hmm, I'll make my own mascot
[06:25] <Tm_T> who cares about cow, when you got .... something else
[06:25] <kkathman> whats moo ?
[06:26] <kkathman> i know what gmoo is :)
[06:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: apt-get moo
[06:26] <kkathman> Tm_T now I just told you I dont install things I dont know about
[06:26] <Tm_T> install?
[06:26] <Tm_T> it I said "apt-get moo"
[06:27] <Tm_T> I can't see any "install" there
[06:27] <kkathman> well that goes for commands I dont know too :)
[06:27] <kkathman> hehe
[06:27] <Tm_T> haha
[06:27] <Tm_T> just do it
[06:27] <Tm_T> you can trust me
[06:28] <Tm_T> ok, don't do it, I con't care, off we go ->
[06:28] <kkathman> I trust you Tm_T :0
[06:28] <kkathman> but
[06:43] <kkathman> the new Opera 8 might be the best release they have ever made
[06:56] <kkathman> ok so I may have spoken too soon on Opera 8 :)
[06:56] <kkathman> lol
[06:56] <zabu> how do I mount a usb drive
[06:58] <kkathman> zabu: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#listusbdevices
[06:59] <zabu> thats just list em
[06:59] <Tm_T> hmh
[07:00] <Tm_T> zabu: try "media:/" in konqi
[07:01] <zabu> it says the kde mediamanager is no running
[07:02] <Tm_T> hm?
[07:02] <kkathman> zabu you might go to www.ubuntulinux.org and check the forums
[07:02] <zabu> they just have a bunch of weirdos standing around in a circle
[07:03] <kkathman> uh...try the freakin forums there are answers there I just checked
[07:06] <Tm_T> :)
[07:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: you tried moo / figlet already?
[07:06] <zabu> you know what it should do, it should just work right
[07:07] <kkathman> Tm_T nope :)
[07:08] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, actually you can see both(?) in my screenshots
[07:08] <Tm_T> so go ahead, try
[07:08] <Tm_T> it spoil all fun if I explain them
[07:10] <kkathman> lol
[07:10] <Tm_T> hah
[07:10] <Tm_T> so what was the problem?
[07:10] <kkathman> hehe now moo is cute
[07:11] <kkathman> but I was just expecting more
[07:11] <kkathman> can I do an apt-get nakedwoman ???
[07:12] <kkathman> I still wish I could change the colors on my ls -l
[07:12] <kkathman> I should just turn off the colors altogether I guess
[07:14] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_019.png
[07:14] <Tm_T> you can use almost everything w/ figlet
[07:16] <dell500> anyone here know how to run a game (in cedega) in window mode??
[07:17] <Tm_T> what game exactly?
[07:17] <chavo> dell500, depends on the game
[07:17] <tvon> Are there any known problems with X lockups and kubnutu in hoary?
[07:17] <dell500> chavo, counter-strike source
[07:18] <Tm_T> tvon: hmm, explain?
[07:18] <Tm_T> cs, yuuuk
[07:18] <chavo> dell500, you have steam running?
[07:18] <tvon> I normally use gnome but installed kubuntu-desktop out of curiosity... I can start kde okay but as soon as I try to launch konqueror X "freezes" (I cal still move the mouse curosr, but not do anthing) and X takes up 99+% of the cpu
[07:18] <dell500> chavo, yup
[07:18] <tvon> s/cal/can/
[07:19] <dell500> chavo, the game bugs out and gets to the last loading part for a map (sending info to server or something)
[07:19] <dell500> then it just craps out and I have to kill it
[07:19] <chavo> dell500, bring up the "Play Games" window and right click on CS
[07:19] <tvon> from my POV, X is entirely locked up... the keyboard is dead (numlock won't toggle) but I can move the pointer around... the only way to get my system back is to restart gdm (eg, kill X)
[07:20] <Tm_T> tvon: strange...
[07:20] <tvon> Tm_T: indeed :)
[07:20] <dell500> chavo, i'm not sure, but i have the ati drivers enabled for right now, instead of the fglrx ones
[07:20] <Tm_T> you're sure you have uptodate KDE ?
[07:20] <chavo> ok
[07:21] <tvon> the logs don't tell me much of anything... Xorg.0.log is not updated with any useful information...I only guessed it was nvidia because 'dmesg' has an odd line at the end about 'NVRM: Xid'.. though nothing informative (just numbers)
[07:21] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:22] <tvon> system is up to date with hoary
[07:22] <Tm_T> tvon: you alreadu ran that script in topic?
[07:22] <tvon> er, no, let me try that
[07:23] <Tm_T> tvon: nno, run first apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:23] <Tm_T> and tell if it outputs any error
[07:23] <tvon> Tm_T: no updates
[07:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:23] <Tm_T> strange
[07:24] <Tm_T> tvon: use synaptic ... check what version your kdelibs-data have
[07:24] <tvon> Tm_T: aight
[07:25] <tvon> I probably just need a re-install... this system was intially pre-warty
[07:26] <Tm_T> tvon: just check that version
[07:26] <tvon> gimme a minute, restarting gdm takes a few
[07:27] <Tm_T> heh
[07:29] <tvon> 4:3.4.0--ubuntu3.1
[07:29] <tezza> anyone got a problem where kubuntu just stalled on the start of the install?
[07:31] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:31] <Tm_T> tezza: hmm, might be broken installer
[07:31] <Tm_T> tezza: use those checksums
[07:32] <Tm_T> tvon: hmm, ok...
[07:33] <Tm_T> tvon: ok, it's uptodate... you installed kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:33] <tvon> Tm_T: yeah
[07:34] <Tm_T> ok
[07:34] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:35] <Tm_T> tvon: ask it from riddell, he's the man ih here ;)
[07:35] <tvon> Tm_T: heh, okay
[07:35] <tvon> Tm_T: thanks for your time
[07:35] <Tm_T> =)
[07:35] <tezza> Tm_T: i did before i burnt them
[07:35] <Tm_T> tezza: and after?
[07:36] <dell500> how do find the plugin section for firefox?
[07:36] <tezza> yep
[07:36] <tezza> Tm_T: then i tried the normal ubuntu and the same thing happened - must be some problem with my hardware and the installer or drivers
[07:37] <Tm_T> dell500: simple
[07:37] <Tm_T> dell500: /usr/share/apps/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[07:37] <tezza> dell500: type 'about:plugins' into firefox
[07:37] <dell500> ooo
[07:37] <Tm_T> the most logical place
[07:38] <Tm_T> tezza: it doesn't tell _where_ those plugins are
[07:39] <tezza> it tells you what plugins you have and how to install them
[07:39] <Tm_T> tezza: ehh, still...
[07:41] <tezza> he didn't ask for a directory he said the plugin section... you can understand that in many different ways
[07:41] <dell500> /usr/share/apps/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ doesn't work
[07:42] <tezza> dell500: do what i said and follow the instructions on how to install plugins
[07:45] <dell500> k, but how do i find my dir for firefox??
[07:45] <dell500> like can i do that in console or something
[07:51] <Tm_T> dell500: just try "find /usr | grep firefox "
[08:06] <kkathman> dell500: try "whereis mozilla-firefox"
[08:08] <kkathman> in my system firefox is in /usr/bin
[08:08] <kkathman> dell500: I have firefox installed if you need help
[08:09] <Tm_T> kkathman: but plugins aren't there
[08:09] <dell500> anyone here know how to run counter-strike source in windowed mode?
[08:09] <shogouki> plugins are in $ffxdir/plugins
[08:09] <kkathman> nope...usually they are elsewhere..but easy to find
[08:09] <shogouki> or you're talking about extensions ?
[08:11] <Tm_T> dell500: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[08:11] <Tm_T> =)
[08:11] <Tm_T> "find /usr | grep firefox | grep plugin | grep java" and tada, there it was
[08:12] <shogouki> or just read what ive wrote :p
[08:12] <Tm_T> shogouki: yes
[08:13] <Tm_T> but I like to play around with grep ;p
[08:14] <Tm_T> hm, just try to remember, who copied .torsmorc from me...
[08:14] <Diablo-D3> http://www.cfh.ufsc.br/~oriente/
[08:14] <Diablo-D3> best. logo. ever.
[08:15] <kkathman> HEHE thats hilarious!!!
[08:15] <Tm_T> ewhh, that's almost... well ...
[08:16] <kkathman> ITS FUNNY!
[08:16] <Tm_T> nnot
[08:16] <kkathman> c'mon!
[08:16] <Tm_T> I'm boring old fart...
[08:16] <kkathman> u arnt old :)
[08:17] <kkathman> puhlease!
[08:17] <luke> has anyone had any crashes lately? I've just had 2 this afternoon. very unusual..
[08:17] <Diablo-D3> Nope.
[08:17] <kkathman> no crashes since I brought hoary up...over 19 days now
[08:17] <Tm_T> hmm, I ate breakfas already and I'm still hungry
[08:17] <kkathman> well before that actually
[08:17] <kkathman> just 19 days straight
[08:17] <Diablo-D3> Infact the only thing I can crash is *gasp!* actually buggy software.
[08:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:18] <luke> haha. well I don't think anything I was running is buggy at all, it just crashed randomly
[08:18] <Diablo-D3> ... thats the definition of buggy.
[08:18] <Diablo-D3> Unless your machine is just flakey
[08:19] <kkathman> luke: when you said it "crashed" what does that mean exactly to you
[08:19] <luke> everything froze, couldn't move the mouse, everything stopped
[08:20] <kkathman> kernel panic?
[08:20] <Diablo-D3> ... followed by user panic.,
[08:20] <luke> no idea. just completely unresponsive
[08:20] <Tm_T> no need to panic yet
[08:20] <kkathman> ROFL
[08:20] <kkathman> had you done anything before ??
[08:21] <Diablo-D3> well, either the kernel hates you...
[08:21] <Diablo-D3> or X hates you.
[08:21] <Diablo-D3> Thats the only two things that can cause that.
[08:21] <Tm_T> or they hates each other
[08:21] <luke> hmm. and kdelibs-data wont update
[08:21] <kkathman> or their could be a communist conspiracy against him...but thats remote
[08:21] <Tm_T> luke: topic ;p
[08:22] <kkathman> luke you need to run the script listed in the channel topic
[08:22] <luke> ok cool thanks for that
[08:23] <dell500> is there a way to force quit an app??
[08:23] <transgress> dell500: kill -9 PID
[08:23] <Diablo-D3> dell500: sudo shutdown -h now
[08:24] <transgress> Diablo-D3: don't be a prick
[08:24] <kkathman> ROFL
[08:24] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: he didnt say force quit EVERYTHING :)
[08:24] <kkathman> lol
[08:24] <Diablo-D3> I firmly believe in taking out mosquitos with nuclear weapons.
[08:25] <kkathman> there ya go
[08:25] <luke> I agree with diablo-D3
[08:25] <kkathman> why close one out when you can punish them all
[08:25] <transgress> dell500: do a ps aux | grep ITEM ... that'll have the PID (a number) near the beginning of it... then kill -9 PID... or killall ITEMNAME if there if you don't mind killing every instance of that program
[08:25] <kkathman> or CTRL-ESC and find the process you need to kill
[08:25] <transgress> this is a help channel... hear to help people... not make them pissed off... that includes helping noobs... 
[08:27] <kkathman> Hey I got luke his script to fix his kdelibs prob :)
[08:28] <transgress> yeah i think you may have given it to me too
[08:28] <dell500> k, kool, thanks
[08:28] <dell500> goin to bed, peace
[08:28] <Diablo-D3> I wish they would just release kdelibs
[08:28] <kkathman> night dell500  :)
[08:29] <transgress> i wish they would make a new package for firefox
[08:29] <luke> do you reacon it's beter to use synaptic, or kynaptic? does it matter at all?
[08:29] <transgress> i think i will build that tonight and make a deb package out of it
[08:29] <Diablo-D3> I wish they would quit shipping firefox
[08:29] <transgress> luke: synaptic has a few more features
[08:29] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: why?
[08:29] <Diablo-D3> luke: it doesnt really matter
[08:29] <kkathman> you dont like it?
[08:29] <Diablo-D3> both are inferior to apt-get + apt-cache
[08:29] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: because its bloated shit
[08:30] <luke> I didn't think so:p nah I was just wondering if kynaptic would work beter for kubuntu since it's a kde app..
[08:30] <kkathman> it is pretty bloated I'll agree
[08:30] <kkathman> you like Konqi?
[08:30] <Diablo-D3> konq > firefox
[08:30] <Diablo-D3> by far
[08:30] <Diablo-D3> konq 4.0 should make people shit their pants
[08:30] <kkathman> I look forward to that
[08:30] <Diablo-D3> like, that south park episode with brown noise
[08:30] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: Except for one thing.
[08:31] <kkathman> I still wish I could get Konq to be what I want when I want tho
[08:31] <shogouki> only thing that miss to konqui is a good extensions manager
[08:31] <luke> you reacon konq is beter than firefox? 
[08:31] <shogouki> and docs to write extensions :/
[08:31] <Choubaka> Konqueror doesn't have the extensions 
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> shogouki: a perfect browser does not need extensions
[08:31] <shogouki> Diablo-D3: i'm strongly disagree
[08:31] <Choubaka> konqi is not perfect.
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> they're working on an adwhatever clone, btw
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> and it'll be built right into khtml
[08:31] <Choubaka> Where's AdBlock and flashblock? :|
[08:31] <transgress> umm... no browser is one size fits all
[08:31] <transgress> hence extensions
[08:31] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: see above comment
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> it should hopefully be in by konq 4.0
[08:32] <shogouki> hope so
[08:32] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: how customisable will it be?
[08:32] <transgress> i like firefox... but i don't like that the ubuntu build requires a shitload of gnome stuff
[08:32] <Choubaka> will it work like adblock does?
[08:32] <kkathman> Konqi is great as a file manager but you have to start it, then choose that profile...then its good as a browser, but you have to start it and choose that profile
[08:32] <Diablo-D3> atleast as customizable as adblock
[08:32] <transgress> so i use konq
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I never set profiles
[08:33] <Choubaka> Anyway, I use GTK so konqueror as my main browser would be a bit weird. I will give it a shot though.
[08:33] <Choubaka> I can't live without AdBlock :D
[08:33] <Choubaka> not on the internet at least.
[08:33] <luke> stupid mosqitoes
[08:33] <Diablo-D3> AdBlock doesnt even work with the moz in ubuntu
[08:33] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: ok, do you use it for file management or just a browser?
[08:34] <transgress> konq does decent at blocking ads...
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: both
[08:34] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: yes it does?
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I just throw a path into the location bar, and it works fine
[08:34] <kkathman> ahh ok I see
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> it does? wtf
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> it says mine is too new of a version
[08:34] <shogouki> it does much more :)
[08:34] <luke> whats so much beter about konq over firefox?
[08:34] <Choubaka> unless you're talking about mozilla, not firefox :p
[08:34] <shogouki> luke: integration
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> nope, firefox.
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> luke: its kde.
[08:34] <Choubaka> luke: firefox is slow.
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> its also a shitload faster
[08:35] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: works for me.
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> and its less bloated
[08:35] <luke> hmm
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> and its not retarded
[08:35] <Choubaka> I resent the retarded comment.
[08:35] <Choubaka> firefox is able.
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> and once the new safari changes get merged, around a dozen bugs will get fixed
[08:36] <shogouki> dont know if safari changes will be merged
[08:36] <Choubaka> And KDEness is more of a minus in my book :/
[08:36] <Diablo-D3> they will
[08:36] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: you're a gnomeby thats why.
[08:36] <luke> Choubaka why are you running kubuntu then?
[08:36] <Choubaka> No I'm not. :)
[08:36] <luke> why are you here then? :p
[08:36] <Choubaka> I swear by xfce. :P
[08:37] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  but say you throw a path there, but you want the split frame, left to be the tree and right to be file listings?
[08:37] <kkathman> thats a profile right?
[08:37] <Diablo-D3> xfce just makes you a mini-gnomeby.
[08:37] <Choubaka> luke: because I know a lot about debian. I can help people here too. 
[08:37] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I hate that shit
[08:37] <shogouki> and just open a term into kq
[08:37] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I prefer that stuff off.
[08:38] <kkathman> Ahh ok I see
[08:38] <luke> choubaka: hehe thanks for helping then :D 
[08:39] <Choubaka> Besides, if KDE 4.0 is all it promises to be, I might go through the trouble of customising it to my liking and start using it.
[08:39] <Choubaka> No offense, but the defaults of KDE just suck -_-
[08:39] <luke> I reacon kde is more costomisable than gnome
[08:39] <kkathman> yeah the defaults to for sure
[08:39] <Diablo-D3> heh
[08:40] <kkathman> *do
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> gnome doesnt even have a web browser
[08:40] <Choubaka> There's Galeon :P
[08:40] <kkathman> :P
[08:40] <Diablo-D3> Yeah, but who the hell uses that?
[08:41] <luke> konq can't use gmails standard view
[08:41] <Choubaka> Some people.
[08:41] <Diablo-D3> All the gnomebys want to say firefox is the gnome browser
[08:41] <Diablo-D3> except, GUESS WHAT FUCKERS, FIREFOX IS NOT A GNOME PROJECT
[08:41] <Diablo-D3> ALL BOW DOWN TO THE GLORY THAT IS KONQ!
[08:41] <luke> haha
[08:41] <kkathman> lol
[08:42] <transgress> just because it is integrated doesn't make it better
[08:42] <transgress> there is a reason far more people use firefox than konq... even on kde
[08:42] <luke> I kinda agree with transgress
[08:42] <Diablo-D3> yeah, its called windows.
[08:42] <transgress> let me rephrase
[08:42] <transgress> there is a reason far more people use firefox on linux than konq
[08:42] <transgress> even in kde
[08:43] <Diablo-D3> yeah, its called severe retardation.
[08:43] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: ?
[08:43] <transgress> there is a reason i have the browser binary from the site in my home dir
[08:43] <Tm_T> hmm, I use FF
[08:43] <Tm_T> =)
[08:43] <kkathman> now now..there is something called "preference"
[08:43] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: haha
[08:43] <kkathman> choice...its what Linux is all about :)
[08:43] <luke> theres also a thing called opinion
[08:43] <transgress> sometimes it works better... such as gmail didn't work with it for a while... i can't login to one of my work sites because of some weird ass bug...
[08:44] <transgress> and Diablo-D3 hating something that is helping to knock MS down a notch... puts you in my dumbass list.
[08:44] <kkathman> transgress: good point well taken
[08:44] <Diablo-D3> MS doesnt need help falling down.
[08:44] <kkathman> we all need to support Google ALOT
[08:44] <kkathman> hehe
[08:45] <luke> yes it does, it owns the stupid people who use it
[08:45] <Diablo-D3> Firefox should instead focus onnot sucking.
[08:45] <transgress> you wanna use konq go right ahead... you wanna say it's good... cool... but saying something else sucks just because you don't use it even though it might be good... is ignorance.  
[08:45] <Diablo-D3> They should buy me a new keyboard too.
[08:45] <transgress> Diablo-D3: let me point out that george bush got elected in 2004... 
[08:45] <kkathman> $5 keyboards at Office Depot
[08:45] <Diablo-D3> transgress: so?
[08:45] <transgress> anyone that convinces people they need them needs to be knocked down.
[08:46] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: Firefox very much does not suck on windows though.
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> Japan has the most accurate time keeping peice in the world... and it runs Linux.
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> Just because one nation is stupid, doesnt mean all are.
[08:46] <Choubaka> It's a huge lot better than the Linux Firefox
[08:46] <buz> yeah the win firefox is faster than the linux version
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> Tie that in with the fact that gnome is most popular in the US
[08:46] <transgress> it's a huge lot better... you failed english huh?
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> and KDE is most popular in .eu and .jp
[08:46] <buz> still, ff linux beats the shit out of konqueror
[08:46] <Choubaka> transgress: No, I did not :)
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: gah
[08:46] <Diablo-D3> that engrish is painful
[08:46] <transgress> buz: i'm trying to end the flaming... please don't add to it
[08:47] <transgress> haha 
[08:47] <Tm_T> buz: actually I found them eqyakky fast
[08:47] <Choubaka> In fact, I got 10 as my final grade :P 
[08:47] <Tm_T> buz: i.e. win and linux FF
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> ppththtbthth.
[08:47] <transgress> my friend is dating an asian chick and she speaks like that Diablo-D3 ... rearry she does
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> oww, I think I bit something
[08:47] <buz> mhh my linux version has noticeably slower display of the rendered stuff
[08:47] <buz> rendering ITSELF is probably just as fast
[08:47] <Tm_T> ?
[08:47] <Choubaka> Try opening 13 tabs at the same time.
[08:47] <buz> but displaying the stuff is much faster on win, i can even see the windows go up
[08:47] <Tm_T> Choubaka: done it
[08:47] <Diablo-D3> buz: thats just X sucking
[08:48] <buz> yeah i know
[08:48] <buz> still, it makes FF linux feel slow
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> I hate X
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> Oh I hate X so much
[08:48] <Choubaka> Someone needs to create Y :P
[08:48] <kkathman> I had like 15 open tonight in FF no degradation in speed whatsoever on my machine
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> of all the software I hate most, X gets the 2nd spot.
[08:48] <buz> but interestingly, it doesn't happen that badly with KDE apps
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> There is a Y
[08:48] <buz> only gecko apps seem to suffer that badly
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> and a Z
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> and a W
[08:48] <Choubaka> kkathman: but when you _open_ them, firefox goes unresponsive.
[08:48] <Diablo-D3> gecko does stupid things
[08:49] <buz> yeah
[08:49] <buz> xul isn't really efficient
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> but it pretty much can be all tied to braindamage in X
[08:49] <transgress> Diablo-D3: then sit in CLI, use links (which i promise is faster than konq and ff) and stop starting flamewars
[08:49] <buz> but i love the extensions ;)
[08:49] <kkathman> not on my system at all...try using ctrl click to open links..faster and more efficient
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> and gecko doesnt want to work around it
[08:49] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: Do they have , , and  too? :)
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> qt/kde, however, excel at working around it
[08:49] <Tm_T> Choubaka: =)
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: *cough*
[08:49] <buz> someone should port firefox to kde :)
[08:49] <transgress> buz: someone is
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> buz: they have
[08:49] <Choubaka> buz: there is an experimental port. :P
[08:49] <Diablo-D3> kecgo
[08:49] <Tm_T> Choubaka: you just revealed yourself!
[08:49] <buz> well i don't care for gecko rendering in konqueror
[08:50] <Choubaka> Tm_T: No perkele.
[08:50] <transgress> http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/firefox/hendikins/firefox-qt/ 
[08:50] <Tm_T> Choubaka: you silly finnish fella
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> well
[08:50] <transgress> buz: ^
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> hopefully konq will make gecko dead.
[08:50] <Tm_T> Choubaka: Perkelepp hyvinnii
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> s/konq/khtml/
[08:50] <Tm_T> =)
[08:50] <buz> that is old...
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> heh
[08:50] <Tm_T> ok, can't take it anymore, HV! ;) ->
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> the only one I know of is kecgo
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> or kgecko
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> whatever name they decided on
[08:51] <transgress> last build in 2005 february... and seeing as konq doesn't have nearly the userbase that ff has... i doubt it'll be making gecko dead anytime soon
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> its a khtml-compatible object that uses gecko
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> drops right into konq, or any other khtml using app
[08:51] <buz> yeah
[08:51] <buz> but who cares
[08:51] <buz> khtml ain't bad, the gui is
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> then fix the gui, and quit bitching
[08:52] <buz> na
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> not that firefox's is any good
[08:52] <buz> i rather just use firefox
[08:52] <buz> it does what it's supposed to do without getting in my way
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> firefox's ui is a usability nightmare
[08:52] <buz> even the worst of the lusers i switched figured it out right away so far
[08:52] <transgress> fuck god damn it everyone stop... it's called preference... stop fighting about which software to use... this isn't proprietary... you aren't locked in... this is choice... lets move on to something useful
[08:52] <Diablo-D3> transgress: there is no such thing as preference
[08:53] <kkathman> thank you transgress 
[08:53] <Diablo-D3> foss is all about lobbing flaming shit at the other side
[08:53] <transgress> Diablo-D3: it's open source
[08:53] <Diablo-D3> havent you learned that yet?
[08:53] <buz> and if there's no other side, we throw the shit at MS
[08:53] <transgress> Diablo-D3: i think you are confused.  this is a help channel.. we are here to help.
[08:53] <luke> why wont shipit work for me?
[08:53] <buz> lets see if qt firefox works
[08:53] <transgress> luke: what do you mean?
[08:53] <Diablo-D3> buz: and MS attempts to throw shit at us, but we're already gone by the time the volley arrives
[08:54] <luke> it says my email address isn't in the database
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> buz: and apple lobs shit at MS, and looks good doing it
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> luke: then add it
[08:54] <buz> so? get a mac
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> Ive been thinking about it
[08:54] <buz> personally, osx gets in my way too often
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> but I dont have room on my desk for a third box
[08:54] <buz> it's a pretty but stubborn os
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> who said running osx on it?
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> LINUX BABY!
[08:55] <buz> wtf? a mini is so damn small
[08:55] <luke> how do you?
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> either that or nbsd
[08:55] <transgress> i wanna get a mac... but i will keep osx on it... with portage
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> a 17" lcd is not small, buz.
[08:55] <buz> a kvm switch is
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> I already have a 14" lcd and a 17" crt on my desk
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> I dont have enough room for another 17".
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> dude, thats stupid.
[08:55] <Diablo-D3> whats the point of having three computers if you dont have three monitors to go with it
[08:56] <transgress> Diablo-D3: they are lcd's ... just turn them a bit... angle them... 
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> transgress: I didnt say they wernt...
[08:56] <transgress> haha i see
[08:56] <transgress> get a bigger desk
[08:56] <buz> get rid of the crt
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> cant get any bigger
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> buz: that wont improve the room usage
[08:56] <buz> it certainly did for me
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> a 17" is a 17" no matter if its crt or lcd.
[08:57] <transgress> i need to get some lcd's... 
[08:57] <buz> holy crap
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> actually, I may have room for it
[08:57] <buz> that qt firefox is BAD
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> BUT
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> its in the wrong direction
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> right now, both monitors are infront of me
[08:57] <transgress> is BAD?  like won't work?  
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> I'd have to turn my head too much to see another monitor
[08:58] <buz> well it actually starts
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> what I really need is to sit the mac monitor behind my laptop
[08:58] <buz> but it's not even able to display the menu bar properly
[08:58] <buz> and talk about sloooow
[08:58] <transgress> haha
[08:58] <transgress> well help him improve the code
[08:58] <transgress> that's a project i'd be all up on if i knew c++
[08:58] <buz> i hate coding C
[08:58] <buz> doubly so for c++
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> but yeah
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> what I really need is like...
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> money
[08:59] <buz> we all do
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> and three matching 21" monitors
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> and a giant desk
[08:59] <buz> and matrox card to drive the
[08:59] <buz> them
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> and I could get myself a tan
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> whwhy a single card?
[08:59] <buz> that is probably the cheapest of them all
[08:59] <buz> cause pci cards suck
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> I could get an agp + 2 pci
[08:59] <transgress> if i had more room in my ... room... i'd get a nice desk that is bent in the middle so you can put it a corner or where ever... 
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> and then xinerama
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> bah, pci isnt as much suck as you think it is
[09:00] <buz> xinerama is a bad piece of code
[09:00] <buz> i can't get it to run different resolutions on different screens
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> xinerama isnt that bad a peice of code
[09:00] <buz> windows can do that with two clicks
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> thats by design dumbass
[09:00] <buz> xinerama simply doesn't seem to even support it
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> you should never have different resolutions
[09:00] <buz> win and osx can both do it just fine
[09:01] <transgress> different resolutions on what is supposed to be one screen...
[09:01] <buz> and it makes perfect sense if you think about
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> because they allow stupidity
[09:01] <transgress> how in the fuck does that make sense?
[09:01] <buz> most people will have a 1024*768 laptop but 1280*1024 desktop lcd
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> the only way a smaller monitor can ever be allowed is if it uses a virtual desktop to make up for it
[09:01] <buz> in my case, i got a 17" and a 20" lcd
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> buz: why do you think this makes sense?
[09:02] <buz> tell my why it wouldn't
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> by allowing a smaller monitor in the pair, you're basically saying its alright to take a pre-existing widescreen monitor and cut an odd hole out of it
[09:03] <buz> only because the general idea behind xinerama isn't so smart
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> its actually very smart
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> it prevents you from doing something very stupid.
[09:03] <transgress> buz: what i said earlier needs repeating obviously... it's OSS... fix it.
[09:03] <buz> cheaper to get another 20" lcd
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> it'll probably let you do that if you tell your smallest monitor to use a virtual desktop
[09:04] <buz> i tried, it would usually crash shortly after coming up
[09:04] <buz> but that might be driver related
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> hrm, strange
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> try filing bugs and quit bitching
[09:05] <buz> na i just wait some months until the 20" lcd gets below 400
[09:05] <buz> then i get another one of them
[09:05] <buz> that 17" sucker is half broken anyway
[09:06] <buz> ah lcd that makes noise when turned off can't be right
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> no kidding
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> sounds like the psu is dying
[09:07] <buz> i guess the psu isn't quite alright
[09:08] <transgress> oh and flash doesn't work for shit in konq
[09:08] <transgress> or if it does... i'm yet to figure out what i did wrong
[09:08] <buz> i think there might even be warranty left on it
[09:08] <luke_> do you reacon amarok is beter than xmms for a basic mp3 player?
[09:08] <buz> but it already got replaced twice so i don't bother
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> eh, yeah
[09:09] <transgress> actually let me rephrase that
[09:09] <buz> once a whole row of pixels just went displaying whatever color they liked
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> amarok is different than xmms
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> I switched from xmms to amarok
[09:09] <transgress> Diablo-D3: you have flash working well in konq?  because i can only get it to display minimal stuff
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> I leave flash uninstalled.
[09:09] <luke_> I use xmms at the moment, but I've heard it's old and the amarok is beter.
[09:09] <transgress> so you just miss chunks of the internet?
[09:10] <buz> i dont like flash but occasionally there's something funny using it
[09:10] <transgress> i use bmp on my ubuntu box
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> no, I believe flash is dead
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> svg killed it
[09:10] <transgress> was using xmms... thinking of trying amarok right now though
[09:10] <transgress> svg?
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> svg.
[09:10] <transgress> and umm... i visit sites daily that use flash...
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> sucks to be those sites
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> they are behind the curve
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> and also broken
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> and impossible to navigate and otherwise use
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> and they piss off blind people
[09:11] <transgress> umm i think you are confused on how the world works 
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> and they violate the CSS rule
[09:11] <transgress> like they give a shit...
[09:11] <transgress> up until recently a lot of sites still didn't work well with netscape, mozilla, or firefox...
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> Most people who dont mind looking like idiots give a shit.
[09:12] <buz> what sites
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> s/give/dont give/
[09:12] <transgress> so seeing as your answer was no, you don't have flash working unless anyone else can answer me, it doesn't matter
[09:12] <buz> i've rarely seen sites not work in ff for a long time
[09:12] <transgress> buz: i said up until recently
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> buz: apparently msie still matters.
[09:12] <transgress> well it's what... 94% of the market... 
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> but I dont know anyone still using it
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> atleast, no one who actually seriously uses the internet.
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> most people on the internet shouldnt be
[09:13] <transgress> says your opinion
[09:13] <transgress> but the internet is for everyone... not for some upper society
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> okay, lets try this
[09:14] <transgress> and if you disagree then i do believe you are using the wrong software... F/OSS is about freedom
[09:14] <Diablo-D3> lets say someone steals your car and drives into a department store with it and causes thousands of dollars in damages
[09:14] <Diablo-D3> under US law you are partially responsible if you didnt properly secure your car
[09:14] <Diablo-D3> I think you should be equally responsible if someone steals your computer and takes out a company's website with it
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> and by 'steal' I mean trojan man.
[09:15] <buz> agreed
[09:15] <buz> and ms should be liable too
[09:15] <transgress> umm... you aren't responsible if someone steals your car in the US and crashes into shit
[09:15] <transgress> that happens on a regular basis
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> ms should be shut down for fraud
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> transgress: you are if you didnt properly secure it
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> transgress: ie, not locking doors, etc
[09:16] <transgress> no you aren't
[09:16] <transgress> you're wrong
[09:16] <transgress> you need to check your laws
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> You are.
[09:16] <LISP> transgress: but if someone you trust you car crashes it...you could be liable
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> And I'm right.
[09:16] <buz> your insurance won't pay if you didn't lock it
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> You need to talk to a lawyer.
[09:16] <transgress> LISP: yes that's true
[09:16] <transgress> buz: depends on the insurance, but that isn't a law
[09:17] <buz> since its allowed by law to take regress they will ALL do that
[09:17] <transgress> Diablo-D3: my friend's dad is a lawyer, we talk a lot, and i'm kind of into law... and you are fucking wrong
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> transgress: oh how wrong you are.
[09:17] <transgress> no i'm not
[09:17] <buz> anyway i'm off to school
[09:17] <transgress> because that's your property and they aren't allowed to take it whether you locked it or not
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> Doesnt matter.
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> Go talk to your lawyer friend.
[09:17] <transgress> and fuck... in florida... you can even shoot them now for breaking into your car thanks to jeb bush... whether you locked it or not
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> Assuming a) you have friends, b) they have a dad, c) they are lawyers.
[09:18] <transgress> Diablo-D3: don't try to be snide... it doesn't work well with dumbass
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> Yes, and you should be able to shoot them
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> Same way I want to shoot windows users for hijacking my internet.
[09:18] <transgress> life is more valuable than property
[09:18] <LISP> transgress: when i'll be in florida i'll call you ;-)
[09:18] <transgress> Diablo-D3: it's not your internet
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> I just purchased it.
[09:19] <transgress> Diablo-D3: you must've misted what i said about snide... 
[09:19] <LISP> Diablo-D3: good work
[09:19] <transgress> kind of like the time machine on ebay huh?
[09:19] <LISP> Diablo-D3: i hope you know the difference between internet and Internet
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> I feel like Al Gore. But without the lame.
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> LISP: you missed the sarcasm, didnt you?
[09:20] <transgress> trust me, you aren't w/o the lame
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> transgress: no, I'm without the Al Gore
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> I don't have a TV station yet
[09:20] <LISP> Diablo-D3: not really, just wanted to buy one myself, till you beat me to it :P
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> LISP: hah
[09:20] <transgress> okay so now ima change channels... this is getting old
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> All I need to basically do is air naked girls jiggling their boobs all the time
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> seeing as thats all republicans care about
[09:22] <LISP> us non-americans will go home now
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> that, and the occational pro-christian nazi-esque worship Herr Bush public message
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> and I have to put in a lot of anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality stuff in it
[09:24] <LISP> Diablo-D3: sorry to disturb, but isn't there a non-kubu, anti-bush channel out there?
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> probably
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> but what I really need is a pro-kubu anti-bush channel
[09:25] <Diablo-D3> basically, a pro freedom, and anti stupidity channel
[09:25] <LISP> if you want freedom you should try pro-lfs/gentoo anti bush :P
[09:25] <Diablo-D3> except gentoo only takes away freedosm
[09:25] <Diablo-D3> by forcing you to conform to using -funroll-loops in your CFLAGS
[09:26] <LISP> gentoo? it lets you do anything you want, especially all the wrong things :D
[09:26] <Diablo-D3> and putting a spoiler on your mom's toyota corolla
[09:26] <Diablo-D3> and covering it in +5 horsepower stickers
[09:27] <Diablo-D3> was the ricer comparison too much?
[09:27] <LISP> maybe
[09:27] <LISP> but the +5hp is true 
[09:27] <LISP> and when it's not 10hp vs 5...but 205 vs 200
[09:28] <LISP> it's not worth it
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> I dunno, if gentoo users could figure out how to overclock a floppy drive... they would.
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> LISP: +5 horsepower stickers dont do anything
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> apparently ricers think just adding the sticker to their car increases performance
[09:28] <LISP> speaking of which, i would give them my bro's amd64 which has no floppy
[09:29] <LISP> c'mon...you mean to say that kubu precompiled is faster than self compiled?
[09:29] <LISP> i mean, if you know what you're doing
[09:30] <Diablo-D3> no, I'm saying -O3 -march=foo -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmmx -msse -mfpmath=387,sse is rarely going to be different than the stock -O2 most packages default to.
[09:30] <LISP> yes, but what about the use flags?
[09:31] <LISP> ok, ok, no funroll-loops
[09:31] <LISP> :D
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> www.funroll-loops.org for the win
[09:31] <Choubaka> funrolls
[09:31] <Choubaka> reminds me of some bakery product.
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> I always assumed a funroll was like a fruit rollup
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> really fruity, bad for you, and loaded with gayness.
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> er, I meant loaded with sugar.
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> Really!
[09:32] <Choubaka> also, I think -march=blah already implies -mmmmx -msse -mfpmath=387,sse if they are available for blah
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: implies -mextension, yes, but not -mfpmath=sse,387
[09:33] <Choubaka> alright.
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> -O3 wont imply it either with the right -march
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> _and_, -mfpmath=sse is default on x86-64
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> _and_ -mfpmath=sse,387 is sometimes slower than -mfpmath=sse on ia32 with sufficiently fucked up code
[09:34] <Choubaka> :D
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> _and_ its depreciated in gcc4.
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> iirc for that last one
[09:34] <Choubaka> There indeed was an article once which claimed that the optimisation settings some gentooists use may actually slow down the system overall
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> -funroll-loops will produce slower code in 99.9% of the cases
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> in that 0.1% case, that code should probably be rewritten
[09:36] <Choubaka> portage would be a nice system if there was for example an automatically update sourceforge portage repo
[09:36] <Choubaka> updated*
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> now, the reason funroll-loops is bad is because it bloats code
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> yes, technically, said code executes faster, but the code ends up being so big it may a) blow away the cpus cache every time its loaded b) not even fit in cpu cache
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> so with that overhead, it murders performance in cold blood
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> with the candle stick, in the library
[09:38] <Choubaka> you could install stable packages using the native package system (dpkg/APT obviously) and then if there's some interesting little project on SF, you could emerge projectname :)
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> and with that, I'm going to bed
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> night all
[09:38] <Choubaka> night.
[10:51] <luke_> ok, so amarok sucks. whats a media player you would recomend for kubuntu?
[10:58] <AzMoo> How do I install a .deb file?
[10:58] <duken> dpkg -i file.deb
[10:59] <AzMoo> cheers
[11:11] <buti> hi. got a problem with apt-get upgrade:
[11:11] <buti> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:11] <buti>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:12] <shogouki> buti: same here
[11:13] <buti> should happen almost anywhere, i assume :/
[11:19] <Neil3> hey folks
[11:19] <xxenon> buti - topic.
[11:20] <buti> xxenon: how should that help?
[11:20] <buti> oh... force :)
[11:23] <Neil3> does anyone else get this happening with their mouse cursor - in kde the cursor will be the default x cursor when it's meant to be the ubuntu theme cursor in certain situations
[11:23] <buti> btw. how do i get corefonts?
[11:23] <Neil3> like when doing 'background' work
[11:24] <Neil3> and the one thats the hand with the finger
[11:24] <Neil3> the normal cursor is the ubuntu style one
[11:33] <jokele> allee: hey ;)
[11:33] <allee> He jokele are you cloning ?
[11:33] <jokele> yep, like you did
[11:45] <error403> hmmm, quiet in here today
[11:46] <Neil3> hey error403 
[11:46] <Neil3> not for long!
[11:46] <error403> lol
[11:46] <Neil3> i get this weird thing happening with my mouse cursor in kde
[11:46] <Neil3> the cursor will be the default x cursor when it's meant to be the ubuntu theme cursor in certain situations
[11:47] <Neil3> like when i click a link in konqueror, and its waiting for the page to load so you're meant to see the cursor with the timer next to it
[11:47] <Neil3> it's the wrong cursor
[11:48] <Neil3> also when i move the cursor over a hyperlink and it turns to the hand with the pointy finger, that's also the incorrect version of that cursor, being the standard x cursor and not the kubuntu theme cursor
[11:51] <Olliander> Morgen!
[12:23] <spiral> hello
[12:23] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone know what I should do to solve the message "aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library" that kdevelop gives me ?
[01:05] <\sh> spiral: install autotools
[01:43] <incubii> howdy
[01:43] <KaiL_> morning
[02:28] <hunger> It is way less responsive than kde for me.
[02:34] <dvoid> hunger,  lot of ppl say that =D, and i agre   , gnome suxors ;)
[02:46] <hunger> Actually I wanted to try beagle, but that is not even included:-(
[02:47] <Lucas1> hello
[02:48] <Aircobra> hell'o
[02:48] <Lucas1> I have just boot my  ibook on kunbutu live cds, it's pretty amazing, very good job evrybody
[02:53] <nanomad> anyone is having printing problems on kubuntu?
[03:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > how come i have like 10 instances running of sox?
[03:02] <buz> nanomad: what version are you running'
[03:03] <oelewappe> is there a version of kdevelop packaged for kubuntu ?
[03:04] <oelewappe> I find some urls that look like they might be apt-get repositories but ...
[03:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > whats the command for rebooting KDE with out restarting the entire box?
[03:08] <pussfeller> cnt+at+bkspace
[03:08] <pussfeller> will restart x
[03:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thanx
[03:08] <Neil3> wheee there he goes
[03:09] <pussfeller> well it will kill the present instance of it, but i dont remember if KDM will restart
[03:09] <Neil3> should do
[03:09] <pussfeller> oelewappe, there is kdeveopl in apt
[03:52] <Tm_T> fapfap
[03:55] <kkathman> morning all (or whatever it is where you are) 
[03:58] <Tm_T> it's 1659
[03:59] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:59] <Tm_T> I'm waiting my dad to pick me up
[03:59] <Tm_T> gonna spend weekend with my parents
[03:59] <kkathman> so where are you going?
[04:00] <kkathman> ahhh thats nice :)
[04:01] <Tm_T> well, free food ;p
[04:01] <kkathman> thats what my daughter says when she comes home from college
[04:01] <kkathman> yay..free food :)
[04:02] <kkathman> well to her it is....to us...not so free
[04:02] <yahalom> my konqueror is extremely slow
[04:02] <yahalom> like 20-30 secs to switch pages, how do i speed it up?
[04:02] <kkathman> konqi? slow?
[04:03] <yahalom> kkathman: very. it used to be amazingly fast, faster than anything i've seen.
[04:03] <yahalom> kkathman: now it loads and loads and then after 20 secs it goes to google
[04:03] <kkathman> yahalom: yes, thats a troublesome for sure..it should be extremely fast
[04:03] <yahalom> kkathman: any ideas how to fix it?
[04:04] <kkathman> yahalom: well, lets start with any applications or tweaks you've made lately?
[04:05] <yahalom> kkathman: i only installed kubuntu again today, however it loaded my settings from the previous time. so my settings for kde were saved somewhere.
[04:05] <kkathman> yahalom: ok, was it slow before you did that?
[04:05] <yahalom> kkathman: i dont generally mess around with the konqueror settings, as i was scared i would lose the speed
[04:06] <yahalom> kkathman: it was slow last time i had it running, thats why i removed it. was being lazy. the time before that (two weeks ago) it was amazing.
[04:07] <kkathman> yahalom: ok, so probably reloading the desktop didnt have anything to do with it
[04:07] <yahalom> kkathman: so what then?
[04:08] <kkathman> yahalom:  what about another browser, does that one seem slow too? Just trying to rule out your line
[04:08] <yahalom> kkathman: no firefox is fast
[04:08] <pussfeller> when compiling from source, it sez I need the qt library... is that a path problem, or are the libraries a seperate package
[04:08] <kkathman> ok
[04:08] <kkathman> pussfeller: the qt lib is separate
[04:08] <pussfeller> you know what its called?
[04:09] <yahalom> kkathman: and firefox used to be much slower
[04:09] <yahalom> kkathman: as far as i'm concerned it still is, just that konqueror is much much slower now
[04:09] <kkathman> pussfeller: its recently changed....but it used to be libqt3c102-mt
[04:09] <kkathman> pussfeller: maybe do an apt-cache search and grep on libqt
[04:10] <kkathman> yahalom: thats odd that konqi got slower and ff got faster.. FF is a bigger program than konqi
[04:11] <kkathman> yahalom: you havent made any adjustments to konqi right?  You said you avoided it before
[04:11] <pussfeller> libqt3-dev i THINK
[04:11] <kkathman> pussfeller: thats the dev yes
[04:12] <kkathman> pussfeller: sorry I thought you were looking to the library itself
[04:12] <yahalom> kkathman: yes
[04:12] <pussfeller> yahalom, you say you imported your settings?
[04:12] <yahalom> kkathman: no change
[04:13] <yahalom> kkathman: i didnt do anything. just kde looks the same way as i had customized it last time
[04:13] <pussfeller> maybe your settings from beforue are causing a pain, try rm -r .kde and start over
[04:13] <kkathman> hmmm
[04:13] <pussfeller> after a backup  of course
[04:14] <Tm_T> hmh
[04:16] <kkathman> yahalom: Try reading toward the bottom of this post:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27461&highlight=Konqueror+slow
[04:16] <kkathman> see if that helps
[04:17] <yahalom> kkathman: thanx
[04:18] <kkathman> Im not sure that is something you havent already done, but its worth a shot
[04:18] <kkathman> Im not a Konqi fan, personally
[04:19] <yahalom> kkathman: what u use?
[04:21] <kkathman> I was a Firefox user, but I just got the new Opera 8 and its really nice..Opera is the fastest on my PC, though only slightly more so than Konq
[04:22] <kkathman> I still use Konq as a file manager tho
[04:23] <kkathman> I cant get Konq even as a file manager to act the way I'd like for it to
[04:24] <kkathman> Konqi also has a few issues with rendering some sites...thats getting better tho
[04:26] <yahalom> kkathman: its depressing
[04:26] <yahalom> kkathman: it was so fastr
[04:27] <[ADULT_SWIM] > kubuntu rocks!
[04:28] <kkathman> yahalom: one more thing I would do, I'd re-visit you Konq settings to be sure that something didnt get set inadvertantly...for instance there is a setting there that "minimizes" memory to be used..that would make it slower
[04:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, now I must go, see ya o/
[04:28] <kkathman> bye Tm_T :)
[04:28] <yahalom> kkathman: yeah thats at a minimum
[04:29] <yahalom> kkathman: could that be it?
[04:29] <kkathman> set that to "For file browsing only"  then restart
[04:30] <yahalom> kkathman: thanx man take care
[04:30] <kkathman> not a problem...good luck and I hope that gives you some help
[04:35] <yahalom> umm...i lost all my kde layouts? can anyone help?
[04:36] <kkathman> layouts?
[04:36] <yahalom> kkathman: keyboard layouts
[04:37] <kkathman> ohhh...hmm I dont have much experience in that :(
[04:37] <kkathman> actualy I dont have ANY experience :)
[04:37] <yahalom> :)
[04:38] <yahalom> kkathman: u said u use firefox?
[04:38] <kkathman> yes I use Opera 8 and Firefox
[04:39] <yahalom> kkathman: they have opera 8? opera was amazing
[04:39] <kkathman> yahalom: Opera 8 is amazing..it quite possibly is the best Opera ever...a leap from any Opera 7
[04:40] <yahalom> kkathman: voice recognition?
[04:40] <kkathman> I dont know about that
[04:41] <yahalom> kkathman: not that i use it, i just know they did that for windows and it pissed off linux ppl
[04:41] <yahalom> kkathman: whats different?
[04:42] <kkathman> navigation has been made easier, configuration is easier and more advanced, it uses some new technology to "clear" the fonts to where pages look magnificent
[04:42] <kkathman> and, it even seems faster than before
[04:42] <kkathman> Im sure there are more, but I just got it yesterday
[04:42] <yahalom> kkathman: ncie
[04:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > operas better than mozilla?
[04:43] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] : well, every browser is up to one's one preference and taste
[04:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i see
[04:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i used opera in windows i diden't like it
[04:44] <kkathman> some people here swear by Konqi, others like Opera and others Like Firefox
[04:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > is it better for linux
[04:44] <kkathman> its a matter of what you feel performs well on your system and what you feel is most productive :)
[04:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ok i see
[04:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > how do i get opera fo rlinux
[04:44] <kkathman> alot of people are biased against Opera, because its commerical tho
[04:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm only biased aghenst software that doesen't live up to it's clames
[04:45] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] : Opera can be obtained by going to their website and downloading the Debian-Sarge version of the deb. Then install using dpkg -i  and the filename
[04:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > kk
[04:45] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] : thats the way I am too :)
[04:46] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] :  when you install, it may ask for the lib3c102-mt library, you can apt-get that
[04:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > kk
[04:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i hope my craks work for linux lol
[04:47] <kkathman> hehe
[04:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > they have a .deb ver for ubuntu ^_^
[04:48] <kkathman> of Opera, no
[04:48] <kkathman> or they didnt used to...I used the Debian Sarge
[04:49] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea i just downloaded opera for ubuntu
[04:49] <[ADULT_SWIM] > from there web site 
[04:49] <kkathman> kewl thats nice now
[04:49] <kkathman> its probably the same :)
[04:49] <kkathman> haha
[04:49] <[ADULT_SWIM] > lol
[05:11] <yahalom> kkathman, man! opera is slow as hell too!
[05:11] <yahalom> kkathman, what is wrong with my machine
[05:11] <yahalom> ??
[05:12] <kkathman> yahalom: hmmmm but you said that firefox isnt right?
[05:13] <yahalom> kkathman, right. maybe its just heavy traffic, i dont know.
[05:13] <yahalom> kkathman, cos the kubuntu site is fast
[05:13] <kkathman> yahalom:  I will say I had this happen once, on my win box though, and I noticed that things really slowed down...It ended up  being at the phone company switching station...a card went bad :)
[05:14] <yahalom> kkathman, yeah must be.
[05:14] <kkathman> yahalom: now, if you are going to certain site, because of the latest virus outbreaks (like 10 in the last 4 days) some sites are very congested
[05:16] <yahalom> kkathman, ah a plague?
[05:17] <yahalom> kkathman, quick question, kde or gdm?
[05:17] <regeya> hooray plague
[05:17] <yahalom> kdm i mean
[05:17] <yahalom> lol
[05:19] <Dreezard> hi everyone
[05:19] <Dreezard> Can someone tell me how and where to add a default gateway?
[05:19] <yahalom> hi
[05:22] <Dreezard> no idea?
[05:22] <kkathman> yahalom: for instance, I use Earthlink, and their web mail has been incredibly slow the last few days...some of the pages taking like 1 minute or longer to load
[05:23] <kkathman> Dreezard: gateway for your eth0?
[05:23] <Dreezard> yes
[05:24] <Dreezard> I allways have to do "route add default gw *.*.*.*" at starup
[05:26] <Dreezard> is there a way to automatize that?
[05:30] <mikl> All your KDE are belong to us
[05:46] <nate_> Anyone know a good wireless access-point locator for kubuntu?
[05:50] <GameCat> afternoon everyone
[05:51] <GameCat> anyone know where I can change the ntp server that is used at startup?
[05:58] <sarom> When browsing my computer's directories in konqueror, the view mode always defaults to Icon View rather than MultiColumn view.
[05:58] <sarom> How can I fix this?
[05:59] <GameCat> set it up how you like it, then save profile view management
[05:59] <GameCat> in the settings menu 
[05:59] <sarom> ahh.. great, thank you
[05:59] <GameCat> or save it as something else - i have some with different window split setups etc - yiou can load em in the menu too
[05:59] <GameCat> pleasure to 'elp :)
[06:23] <pussfeller> gamecat ivim /etc/default/ntpdate
[06:34] <GameCat> pussfeller: thanks a lot - I know it's odd, but I don't much like the idea of the ubuntu admins being able to read their logs and find out when i booted...
[06:37] <GameCat> dinnertime here - back later
[06:44] <glass-eye> hmmm, i'm not seeing an easy way to upgrade my kernel to smp...it wants to install lilo
[06:46] <kkathman> yawn... been a busy morning already :)
[06:48] <kkathman> pussfeller:  you still here?
[07:00] <mshelby> Is there anyway to get kubuntu to automatically update itself? i.e. a nightly update?
[07:01] <kkathman> mshelby you could schedule a cron on the update process I suppose
[07:02] <mshelby> Yes, I thought of that, but I don't really have a lot of experience with cron. Is it possible to actually use cron to implement all the functions of an update call, or will it just "start up" a program?
[07:03] <kkathman> mshelby: you might try man cron
[07:03] <kkathman> but, yes, it should start anything that you can start at a command line
[07:04] <mshelby> Thanks, I will read up on it. I've been a linux user for 4 years and have yet to really use it! I guess it's about time...
[07:04] <kkathman> mshelby:  Try looking also at Kcron, which should be in your K-menu
[07:04] <kkathman> let me get the right one for you....1 sec
[07:05] <kkathman> mshleby:  try the menu, and System..look for Kcron
[07:05] <kkathman> that should help you alot
[07:05] <mshelby> Will do. By the way, after I installed kubuntu, I am having a lot of issues with needing root access to configure /etc file, etc... what is your experience with this?
[07:06] <kkathman> mshelby: well there are a couple of approaches you can take
[07:06] <kkathman> mshelby:  1) do an sudo su, and get root priviledges for your current login
[07:06] <kkathman> mshelby: 2) activate the root account (see the ubuntuguide.org for this)
[07:07] <mshelby> Yes, I thought I would hate not having root access from the login screen (graphically), but now that I am used to it, I kind of like it.
[07:07] <kkathman> mshelby: 3) just use the old "sudo" command in front of everything
[07:07] <kkathman> mshelby: if you are used to it, then reactivate it...its very easy to do
[07:08] <mshelby> Well, I am running into problems with "aftermarket" installs of programs. If I install them as root, then regular users do not have access to them.
[07:09] <mshelby> I will look at the ubuntuguide, but I think I might not re-activate it. I was always so used to doing everything as "root." Now that I haven't done it in a while, I kind of like the security of it.
[07:09] <kkathman> lol 
[07:09] <kkathman> I understand
[07:10] <kkathman> at the command line I had gotten used to sudo gedit <filename>
[07:10] <kkathman> but I so got tired of typing sudo on admin waves of activities that I finally broke down and activated the root
[07:11] <mshelby> Yep, I could see that happening. I like how kde puts the "administrator" button on a lot of the sensative programs.
[07:12] <mshelby> It's a great workaround.
[07:14] <kkathman> yep
[07:15] <kkathman> well for casual users or inexperienced users it kind keeps them in check and gates possible damage :)
[07:16] <mshelby> kkathman: Just config'd the cron settings. Thanks for the advice!
[07:16] <kkathman> not a problem, hope that turns out well for you :)
[07:22] <dennisc> Does K3b work on a fresh kubuntu? It says: Unable to find cdrdao executable
[07:23] <kkathman> dennisc: I dont know exactly.
[07:23] <kkathman> never worked with it personally
[07:23] <dennisc> how do you burn iso's to CD-R then?
[07:24] <kkathman> got me, I dont use my linux system to do that
[07:25] <kkathman> sorry I cant help on that one
[07:25] <dennisc> lol
[07:25] <kkathman> well ya cant know everything, but you MIGHT check the ubuntuguide page
[07:26] <kkathman> its at www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:27] <kkathman> hey pajohn :)
[07:53] <buz> is there any simple way to configure spin down time of cdroms?
[07:55] <kkathman> hmm I dont know of any, unless you hack the code somehow
[07:55] <buz> mhh hdparm says it can do it for hds
[07:55] <buz> maybe it works for dvdroms as well
[07:55] <kkathman> thats not something that you normally would put in a gerneral prog I think
[07:56] <kkathman> oh really :)
[07:56] <buz> i can see quite a few uses for this
[07:56] <kkathman> I know that its very important on DVDs cuz they spin at a higher rate
[07:56] <buz> i mean why would a cdrom be spinning (and making lots of noise) all the time if you only infrequently access it
[07:56] <buz> yeah
[07:56] <buz> that would have been my next question, how can i have dvds spin a lower speeds?
[07:56] <kkathman> thats the reason mfgrs put limited amount of ink on the surface of the DVD in most cases
[07:57] <kkathman> so that they can compress more
[07:57] <buz> hdparm -S 6 /dev/hdb
[07:57] <buz> /dev/hdb:
[07:57] <buz>  setting standby to 6 (30 seconds
[07:57] <buz> lets see
[08:01] <buz> doesnt work
[08:01] <kkathman> hmm
[08:02] <buz> thats gotta be possible
[08:02] <buz> maybe using powersaving somehow
[08:02] <kkathman> yeah, one thing I've noticed is that the multimedia tools areas of open source is pretty limited in general
[08:02] <buz> mhh freevo and mythtv are quite cool
[08:02] <buz> if you care for tv (which i don't)
[08:02] <kkathman> nor i
[08:03] <buz> if you think US tv is bad, try german 
[08:03] <buz> even good stuff gets killed with HORRIBLE dubs
[08:04] <kkathman> yep
[08:05] <kkathman> well you can start with just graphics, and Gimp is like the "top of the line" in open source, and it pales in comparison to commercial stuff, at least for the serious designer
[08:05] <kkathman> while there are some video tools, they are typically very early betas and with limited functionality
[08:05] <kkathman> but then people that need that probably arent going to be Linux based anyway :)
[08:28] <buz> i think there's some TOP of the line editing stuff for linux
[08:29] <buz> but that's in the 5 digit range
[08:29] <buz> it would have to be considering most stuff used to run on the big unices back in the days
[08:29] <buz> but it doesnt matter to me
[08:30] <buz> i'm totally untalented wrt to graphics
[08:30] <pussfeller> i dont know, mplayer/xine beat wmp hands down
[08:31] <pussfeller> multimedia playback, we rock, generation/encoding, we are lagging way behind
[08:31] <buz> encoding is not a real problem
[08:31] <buz> playing WMV and Real streams is kinda painful at times
[08:32] <pussfeller> you have to jump thru all sorts of hoops to get subtitles in windows
[08:32] <buz> na
[08:32] <buz> you can just use vlc like on linux ;)
[08:32] <pussfeller> yep, they wont render unless you have overlays or something i
[08:33] <pussfeller> the problem in wmv and real isnt our fault, its proprientary stuff thats the probem
[08:33] <pussfeller> and also most sites use active x controls to launch a media player
[08:34] <pussfeller> theres nothing good on wmv anyways
[08:34] <pussfeller> or real
[08:35] <pussfeller> all rips of anything worth watching are divx5 or xvid
[08:36] <pussfeller> we lag in easy to use encoding tools
[08:36] <kkathman> howdy pussfeller  :)
[08:37] <pussfeller> hey kkathman 
[08:43] <kkathman> be back in a bit...gotta run to the airport
[08:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > hey anyone wanna help me test a game to figure out the problems in cedega?
[09:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > are there any other creatures you can get for amor?
[10:20] <phxguy> can someone help with superkaramba
[10:21] <msb> what about it?
[10:21] <phxguy> for some reason when I have the LWP Theme running my console opens to the lwp directory instead of the normal $home directory
[10:38] <kkathman> hey all
[10:40] <slicnotslak> i want to install openoffice2, but kynaptic won't let me install it.  i suspect because oo.org1.* is installed, but i can't uninstalling that w/o uninstalling kubuntu-desktop.  any advice?
[10:41] <Kisain> OMG!!!! my computer crashed 0_o
[10:49] <DoctorFlange> come to think of it, kubuntu's never crashed on me
[10:49] <DoctorFlange> win ME used to crash so easily
[10:56] <slicnotslak> linux has crashed on me every now and then.  these have always been caused by either hardware failure or doing wierd stuff in xfree86.
[10:58] <hunger> slicnotslak: I think xfree does count as hardware... :-)
[11:00] <DoctorFlange> win ME used to BSOD right after booting
[11:09] <narg> kubuntu stores kde headers in a wierd place, right?
[11:16] <anang> hello ?
[11:17] <anang> need some info on acpi on Ubuntu
[11:17] <anang> will anybondy here help ?
[11:20] <pussfeller> I'll help
[11:20] <pussfeller> !
[11:44] <Trackilizer> i need your help guys
[11:45] <Trackilizer> i read the guide at ubuntuguide.org
[11:45] <Trackilizer> even though i can now listen to mp3s and watch movies
[11:46] <Trackilizer> i cant seem to be able to install java
[11:46] <Trackilizer> or Azereus
[11:46] <Trackilizer> amule was really to install
[11:46] <Trackilizer> but just cant seem to install Java
[11:47] <Trackilizer> any advice
[11:47] <Trackilizer> ?
[11:47] <gdh> cry?
[11:48] <Trackilizer> cry?
[11:48] <Trackilizer> dont get you
[11:49] <sarom> Anyone here experienced problems with their Audigy 2 sound card?
[11:49] <Trackilizer> so no one can help
[11:49] <Trackilizer> ?
[11:49] <smouche> internal or external card, sarom?
[11:49] <sarom> internal
[11:50] <smouche> no, sarom, sorry - I only have experience (miserable) with an external audigy.
[11:50] <pv> For java, have you tried these instructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:50] <sarom> too many audigy problems
[11:51] <sarom> My problem is that I can hear my voice through the mic, but I can't record.
[11:52] <Blissex> sarom: capture and loopback are different states in ALSA.
[11:53] <foodcoman> sarom: Sounds like kareokee!
[11:53] <sarom> Blissex, ahh, ok... hehehe, yeah
[11:53] <foodcoman> =)
[11:54] <sarom> I get this error when I try to record using Sound Recorder:
[11:54] <sarom> "ALSA device "default" had an error"
[11:54] <Blissex> sarom: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html (the introduction bit perhaps) Also ask in #ALSA
[11:54] <Trackilizer> i cant seem to be able to fill my whole screen
[11:54] <Trackilizer> tried all res
[11:55] <Blissex> sarom: perhaps your '/etc/asound.conf' defines 'default' to be a playback only device.
[11:55] <sarom> Blissex, yeah, I've seen that page, and also the alsa wiki page.. but nothing there could help me... the people at #alsa aren't answering
[11:55] <sarom> Blissex, let me open up that file.. just a sec
[11:56] <Blissex> sarom: or it could be '~/.asoundrc'
[11:56] <sarom> Blissex, I added "card 0" in the default settings
[11:56] <sarom> how can I restart the sound?
[11:57] <sarom> so it could take effect
[11:57] <Blissex> sarom: no need to.
[11:57] <Blissex> sarom: just restart the app.
[11:57] <sarom> hoky doky
[11:57] <sarom> just a sec
[11:57] <sarom> nope, it didn't work, I got the same error message
[11:57] <Blissex> sarom: I suspect you need to read a lot more about '/etc/asound.conf'/'~/.asoundrc'  syntax :-)
[11:58] <sarom> yeah I need to
[11:58] <sarom> where can I find that info? if you don't know, there is always google ;)
[11:58] <Blissex> sarom: try to see if you can record giving explicitly this device: 'hw:0,0' to the recording application.
[11:58] <foodcoman> I can sit here for hours reading new stuff from Pro's like Blissex!
[11:58] <Blissex> sarom:  http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html has a section with pointers.
[11:58] <foodcoman> I Learn more watching than asking it seems.  Thanks people!