[12:03] <wasabi> Hmmm.
[12:03] <wasabi> So I was thinking that apt needs a way to track which packages were installed from which repositories, and only update them from the right repository.
[12:24] <wasabi> done.
[01:13] <mdz> jbailey: any luck with the printing issue?
[01:15] <tseng> hi.
[01:18] <mako> mdz: i want to write up a little news article about the conference for the website
[01:18] <mdz> mako: that'd be rad
[01:18] <mako> i figured it might be good to sort of say something about how we want people to interact with teh specs
[01:18] <mdz> agreed
[01:18] <mako> what do you think?
[01:19] <mdz> they should feel free to add comments at the bottom, but should not modify the text of the spec without contacting the lead or second
[01:19] <mako> ok, sounds good
[01:19] <mdz> unfortunately, that's extremely non-trivial in the current format
[01:19] <mdz> unless you happen to know everyone's email address off the top of your head
[01:19] <mako> hmm
[01:20] <mako> yeah
[01:20] <mdz> I tried to argue that we should use "Lead: SomePerson" rather than "SomePersonLead"
[01:22] <jammcq> hey mako
[01:28] <mako> jammcq: hey dude
[01:32] <mdz> thom: ping?
[01:52] <HiddenWolf> Will there be a posting to -devel once breezy would be somewhat stable-ish?
[01:53] <tseng> there will be a post when there is an array release
[01:53] <tseng> or whatever it is called this time
[01:54] <HiddenWolf> It's just with all that toolchain stuff, I'd like to have a heads up that it's probably ok before I try and wreck my system. :)
[01:54] <tseng> its going to get worse before it gets better
[01:55] <HiddenWolf> Was afraid you'd say that.
[01:55] <HiddenWolf> I just made the mistake of getting myself worked up and exited over the wiki plans. :P
[01:55] <tseng> theres nothing excitingly new to be had in breezy anyway
[01:55] <tseng> so far
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> nohar, but then at least I can blame something that doesn't work on running a devel distro, and bug people about it. :)
[01:56] <HiddenWolf> -har
[01:56] <tseng> ugh
[01:57] <HiddenWolf> there are one or two things in hoary I find really annoying, so i'll switch as soon as possible. :)
[02:12] <dilinger> waah
[02:13] <dilinger> i found a nice index of a bunch of (music) shows happening around nyc
[02:13] <dilinger> then the site broke
[02:13] <jordi> mako: I hope this will teach you a lesson.
[02:14] <mako> jordi: ?
[02:14] <jordi> mako: oskuro.net :)
[02:14] <mako> what bout it?
[02:15] <jordi> latest blog entry
[02:15] <mako> BASTARD
[02:15] <jordi> ha ha
[02:16] <mako> how do i say bastard in catalan?
[02:16] <mako> sorry, VALENCIAN?
[02:16] <jordi> Bastard!
[02:16] <mako> Bastard!
[02:17] <jordi> you pronounced  that like english
[02:17] <jordi> you need to say it fast, remember
[02:17] <jordi> "M'agrada el caf"
[02:17] <mako> Bstrd!
[02:17] <jordi> better!
[02:18] <jordi> anyway, heading to ebed
[02:19] <mako> jordi: how is the conference?
[02:19] <jordi> it's going well
[02:19] <jordi> people are actually not bashing LliureX that much
[02:20] <dilinger> s
[02:21] <mako> always a plus, i guess :)
[02:22] <sto> jordi: go to sleep
[02:23] <tseng> oh man
[02:23] <tseng> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10515
[02:23] <tseng> "ubuntu backports!!!ONE"
[02:24] <mako> oh man
[02:25] <tseng> im afraid to even try to clear that up
[02:26] <zul> heh...redirect backports.ubuntuforums.org to 127.0.0.1
[02:27] <zul> or that could be a bit extreme
[02:28] <jordi> sto: totally
[03:18] <jammcq> hmm, anybody craving Mentos ?
[03:19] <tseng> not at all
[03:19] <zul> hell no
[03:19] <dilinger> i was tempted to stuff my suitcase full of 'em
[03:20] <dilinger> but i probably would've had to declare them or something
[03:20] <jbailey> "crack"
[03:20] <infinity> "I declare that these are faaaantastic!"
[03:20] <jbailey> "weapons of mass destruction"
[03:20] <dilinger> and who knows what customs would do to a guy packing aussie mentos.  i mean, they're even vegan.  if that doesn't scream out "terrorist"..
[03:20] <jbailey> "dangerous projectiles"
[03:20] <dilinger> :)
[03:21] <ajmitch_> as long as you don't carry them on the plane
[03:21] <jdub> you wouldn't get them past customs
[03:21] <tseng> jdub: hah-hah
[03:21] <tseng> jdub: customs are a bunch of softies
[03:22] <tseng> i still had some food in my bag i forgot to throw out
[03:22] <jdub> with a small amount of dishwasher glass cleansing fluid, you can turn a pile of mentos into a substantial explosive
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[03:23] <jbailey> mdz: No, although I have the test system all setup and am reproducing the problem.  md looks like he fixed the problem once a rev or two ago, and it's broken again.  I expect to have it nailed tomorrow.
[03:52] <mdz> why do people randomly add the 'branding' keyword to bug reports?
[03:56] <stuNNed> what's it mean?
[03:57] <tseng> the most obvious form of branding is adding an ubuntu logo to something
[03:57] <tseng> less obvious is changing a config file to point to our mirror instead of debians
[03:57] <mdz> stuNNed: it is meant to be used for issues with Ubuntu branding of the distribution (e.g., the boot logo on the CD being Ubuntu's rather than Debian's)
[03:58] <mdz> a very small proportion of bugs have to do with branding, but many bug submitters seem to add the keyword, perhaps unintentionally somehow
[04:02] <jiyuu0> how to check whether installed ubuntu is x86?
[04:02] <tseng> in a package, or in general?
[04:02] <jiyuu0> in general
[04:02] <tseng> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:03] <jdub> tseng: 1.1.7!
[04:03] <tseng> jdub: yes!
[04:03] <jdub> ha ha ha
[04:03] <jdub>    * I/O Layer rewrite for ludicrous speed
[04:03] <jdub> ha ha ha
[04:03] <tseng> its so true
[04:03] <tseng> muine loaded my albums at warp speed
[04:03] <jiyuu0> cat /proc/cpuinfo a lot of things... nearest to get uname -m
[04:04] <tseng> that works.
[04:04] <tseng> jdub: also, tomboy now writes notes via telepathy
[04:05] <jiyuu0> then maybe have to write if statement... if i686 or i586 or i386 = x86
[04:05] <infinity> jiyuu0 : Erk, no.
[04:06] <infinity> jiyuu0 : Check out dpkg-architecture
[04:07] <jiyuu0> infinity, thank
[04:08] <sladen>   * Engaging Warp Drive
[04:09] <mdz> jiyuu0: if this is for a script, you want dpkg --print-architecture rather than dpkg-architecture
[04:10] <jiyuu0> mdz, does it will return i386 on my i686 machine
[04:10] <tseng> yes.
[04:10] <jiyuu0> ok... thanks :)
[04:13] <infinity> dpkg --print-architecture is the same as dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE
[04:14] <infinity> If you want the dpkg arch (just i386, not i386-linux), 'dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_ARCH' gives you that.
[04:14] <infinity> Oh, I lie.
[04:14] <infinity> That was fixed. :)
[04:14] <infinity> (That's true in woody... Not in sarge/warty/hoary/breezy, apparently)
[04:19] <Keybuk> infinity: it isn't
[04:19] <Keybuk> dpkg --print-architecture is the same as DEB_BUILD_ARCH though
[04:26] <infinity> Keybuk : Right, but it used to be DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE
[04:26] <infinity> Keybuk : At least, it is on the woody box I was just sitting at.
[04:27] <Keybuk> that was probably broken :)
[04:27] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% dpkg-architecture -qDEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE
[04:27] <Keybuk> i386-linux-gnu
[04:30] <infinity> Yes, it was definitely broken in the past.
[04:31] <infinity> And had I not been typing in a horribly thinking-out-loudish fashion up there, I probably would have been more clear about that. :)
[04:31] <jsg> good morning
[05:06] <mdz> Keybuk: a lot of people seem to use your signkey script to send out keys that they have already signed
[05:09] <Keybuk> heh, those people are stupid
[05:11] <jdub> lots of people i've never shown my passport to have signed my key
[05:11] <jdub> that said
[05:11] <jdub> i think we should put some better gpg tools in ubuntu
[05:11] <mdz> people who don't even know what I look like have signed my key
[05:11] <tseng> jdub: seahorse now has keyserver support
[05:11] <jdub> supposedly seahorse is getting better
[05:11] <tseng> we just need an update
[05:11] <jdub> thinking more about workflow tho
[05:12] <tseng> yes
[05:12] <tseng> alot of people were very confused
[05:12] <tseng> its hardly obvious
[05:32] <dholbach> good night
[05:34] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hey
[05:34] <Unfrgiven> hi all :)
[05:34] <Unfrgiven> im just holidaying in new zealand and thought I'd say hi
[05:34] <Unfrgiven> :)
[05:35] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: enjoying it?
[05:35] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: yeah very much so
[05:35] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: just heading out now...
[05:35] <ajmitch_> where in NZ are you?
[05:35] <Unfrgiven> auckland
[05:35] <ajmitch_> ok
[05:35] <Unfrgiven> will catch up with you all when i return on sunday
[05:35] <Unfrgiven> cyas
[05:35] <ajmitch_> call in if you're visiting dunedin
[05:35] <dholbach> bye Unfrgiven 
[05:35] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: unfortunately not this time.. :(
[05:36] <ajmitch_> alright
[05:42] <crb> Unfrgiven: we're having an Ubuntu installfest in Hamilton tomorrow
[05:44] <jnc> hey gang
[05:44] <jdub> hrm, how do you tell irssi to stop trying to connect to a server, when you can /disconnect from it?
[05:44] <jnc> jdub: i figured out how once, but irssi doesn't listen
[05:45] <jdub> aha!
[05:45] <jdub> rmreconns
[05:45] <jdub> that is a silly command name
[05:45] <jnc> i'm in a bit of a bind, i gave 'breezy' a try and now stuff i need to have functioning is now;  it wasn't much of a issue during the hoary preview but now i absolutely must have printing...  how do i go about downgrading?
[05:45] <jdub> reinstall :)
[05:46] <jnc> you gotta be joking, no?
[05:46] <jdub> nup
[05:46] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:46] <jdub> you could downgrade a single package
[05:46] <jnc> it's dpkg.   can't i do a downgrade?
[05:46] <jdub> but attempting to downgrade the entire system is a total waste of time
[05:46] <jnc> oh geeze
[05:46] <schweeb> it's not very fun
[05:46] <schweeb> not at all
[05:46] <jdub> does printing not work in breezy?
[05:47] <jnc> i think there are perl locale issues on the backend filters that are freaking out
[05:47] <schweeb> lots of manual comparison of versions and dpkg -i'ing packages
[05:47] <jnc> amongst other things
[05:47] <jnc> basically the two things i didn't realize i absolutely needed, i now realize i need them
[05:47] <jnc> printing, and gnucash
[05:48] <jnc> gnucash is obviously not supported (though it *should be!!!*)
[05:48] <jsg> awww
[05:48] <jnc> i can always move my gnucash files to another box and do it that way
[05:48] <jnc> the printing...  i'd really like to resolve what is breaking
[05:49] <jnc> any devs w/ breezy confirm one way or the other if printing works for them?
[05:49] <jsg> i haven't upgraded to breezy yet
[05:49] <jnc> since the backend filters being broken, there's not much hope of me printing remotely to a cups server that works
[05:49] <jsg> after i finish some stuff with kubuntu
[05:50] <jnc> ah
[05:50] <jdub> i should turn on my printer or something
[05:50] <calc> how come the hwdb site hasn't generated daily stats since apr 12?
[05:50] <jnc> well, on a positive note 
[05:51] <jnc> the new kernel in breezy fixes a longstanding bug with my usb keyboard not being picked up on boot time when plugged into a hub
[05:52] <jnc> i might end up reinstalling :/
[05:52] <jsg> brb lunch
[05:54] <ajmitch_> crb: sounds good, how many are you expecting to turn up?
[06:01] <calc> doesn't resolve dns either oddly enough
[06:01] <calc> hmm perhaps its just me that is hosed
[06:01] <calc> seems i can't resolve anything gar
[06:02] <calc> ah it works now
[06:02] <calc> kicking works good :)
[06:02] <calc> hwdb still isn't updating but it shows the old out of date pages
[06:02] <schweeb> calc: yell at ogra
[06:03] <calc> ogra: yelling at you now
[06:03] <calc> ogra: fix the hwdb.u.c cron jobs/scripts they have been broken since Apr 12
[06:17] <mako> someone should send information on ubuntu to editors@linux.com
[06:19] <jsg> ok i noticed we're not on the distributions page of their site
[06:19] <mako> jsg: cut and paste some text from the website or something.. i dunno
[06:19] <jsg> mako: ok i'll do it you lazy bones
[06:19] <mako> i just got an email from info@ and would love to mark it as done? you want to take it?
[06:20] <jsg> sure
[06:20] <mako> :)
[06:21] <jsg> dude, do we have hi-res images of the logo and stuff
[06:21] <jdub> jsg: svg versions on the artwork page
[06:22] <mako> as hi-REZ As you want em baby
[06:22] <jsg> jdub: was wondering about the artwork from the hoary pressed discs
[06:22] <Lathiat> svg rocks
[06:24] <jdub> jsg: oh. no.
[06:28] <jsg> jdub: to be used for conference flyers hopefully...we got some on draft atm
[06:29] <mako> jdub: do you have that at all?
[06:29] <mako> jdub: i don't
[06:29] <mako> someone asked about artwork for people who are burning their own DVDs/etc
[06:30] <jdub> i don't have that artwork
[06:30] <jdub> we were going to do alternative artwork for that
[06:30] <jdub> i will ping jane about it
[06:30] <mako> cool
[06:34] <jdub> i said 'that' a lot up there
[06:36] <jdub> mako: dude!
[06:36] <jdub> mako: did you see? i posted to ubuntu-news!
[06:41] <mako> who should i sent OOo stuff to?
[06:41] <mako> jdub: AWESOME
[06:42] <jsg> nice poll
[06:42] <jdub> i was very excited to post to -news
[06:43] <mako> i'm very excited that SOMEONE ELSE posted to news
[06:43] <mako> not the ALL MAKO ALL THE TIME channel
[06:43] <jsg> HEHE
[06:44] <ajmitch_> hey, I did see a dholbach post there once..
[06:44] <dilinger> makoTV
[06:44] <mako> dilinger: unrated
[06:44] <mako> rated U for UTILIKILT
[06:44] <dilinger> wholly unsuitable for minors and pregnant women
[06:44] <dilinger> haha
[06:45] <jdub> wholly unsuitable for minors, miners and mynahs
[06:45] <jsg> mynah the bird?
[06:45] <jdub> as demonstrated at the recent UbuntuDownUnder conference
[06:45] <jdub> yeah
[06:45] <jdub> they flew away pretty fast when mako turned up without pants
[06:45] <jsg> haha
[06:45] <Lathiat> jdub: http://www.nopantsday.com
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> I thought it was everyday?
[06:46] <jdub> it is today
[06:46] <dilinger> jdub: should've gone to
[06:46] <dilinger> http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/sloth/pics/2005_udu/IMG_0289.JPG
[06:46] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: dude, it's like christmas
[06:46] <mako> today was nopantsday
[06:46] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: some people are christians all the time, some people are christians on one day a year
[06:46] <mako> damn
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> ahhhh :)
[06:47] <mpt> jdub: s/Christians/Irish/ also works
[06:47] <crb> I'd like to see jdub and/or mako on Talk Like A Pirate Day
[06:47] <jdub> dilinger: so the weird thing is
[06:47] <ajmitch_> crb: they're bad enough every other day
[06:47] <jdub> dilinger: pretty much all my friends from overseas take a picture of that and say "ha ha, pants!"
[06:47] <jsg> Talk Like a Pirate day..hehehe i've seen that
[06:47] <jdub> dilinger: but it's just a regular chain store here ;)
[06:48] <dilinger> jdub: dude, i saw it and thought "jdub"
[06:48] <HrdwrBoB> yeah.. it's the .. pants .. store
[06:48] <jsg> general pants?
[06:48] <jdub> mmm
[06:48] <jdub> pants in general
[06:48] <HrdwrBoB> yeah if you want specific pants you need to go to a different store
[06:48] <HrdwrBoB> eg: for jeans, you go to Just Jeans
[06:49] <dilinger> spatula city
[06:49] <jdub> heh
[06:49] <jdub> "we make spatulas, and that's all!"
[07:17] <jsg> mako: SENT
[07:17] <mako> jsg: you rock dude
[07:22] <fabbione> morning
[07:22] <mattcamp> Where can I learn about the tools that are used to build the Ubuntu ISO's?  Are these tools available to developers outside the Ubuntu team?
[07:23] <crb> I believe the debian 'cd-image' package is the base mattcamp
[07:23] <crb> and Colin Watson has patches on top of that, I forget where
[07:25] <mattcamp> And for the Live CD?  Mounting the file system from the official Live CD, chrooting, making changes, and cleaning up seems rather error-prone.
[07:26] <TheMuso> mattcamp: What part seems error prone? It is not that hard to work on the cloop filesystem, if that is the only one you intend to change. You simply need to ensure you don't leave unnecessary data lying around. Have you read the live CD customization howto on the wiki?
[07:27] <TheMuso> mattcamp: Or have I missed the point entirely?
[07:32] <mattcamp> Yes, I have looked at that howto.  But if there's a tool that can build a fresh file system for the live CD, given a collection of packages (or better yet, a list of package names and an APT sources list), then I'd think that would be better.
[07:32] <mattcamp> Is debootstrap used for that?
[07:33] <TheMuso> mattcamp: Perhaps you could send a mesage to the Ubuntu development list?
[07:54] <fabbione> doko: what is the reason of disabling gpc on sparc?
[07:57] <doko> fabbione: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=gcc-3.3&ver=1%3A3.3.6-2&arch=sparc&stamp=1115240262&file=log&as=raw
[07:58] <fabbione> doko: meh...
[08:18] <pitti> Morning
[08:18] <ajmitch_> hi pitti 
[08:20] <mdz> fabbione: you're sick too??
[08:23] <fabbione> mdz: yes.. :/
[08:23] <fabbione> i am just catching up on emails and i will head to bed pretty soon
[08:24] <fabbione> the last week is something to forget and whipe away from my history
[08:24] <fabbione> busted by the tax minister, wife at the hospital, me sick + jetlag
[08:25] <fabbione> see.. i was right to say we need 15 days conferences...
[08:25] <Mithrandir> fabbione: ew; wish her well from Karianne and me.
[08:26] <fabbione> Mithrandir: she is fine.. she just falled down a couple of steps...
[08:26] <fabbione> and she needed xrays and rest 
[08:26] <Mithrandir> wish her well anyhow. :)
[08:26] <fabbione> nothing serious....
[08:26] <fabbione> i will
[08:26] <fabbione> :)
[08:27] <fabbione> next time she will learn to look wth she is walking, instead of thinking to flowers and earrings
[08:27] <fabbione> or whatever she had in her mind
[08:42] <jsg> mvo: hi there
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> hrm.. if anyone with #ubuntu access is about
[08:44] <mvo> hey jsg, morning all
[08:44] <HrdwrBoB> it's required
[08:44] <thoreauputic> anyone in here with ops for #ubuntu? There's a racist troll in there who needs some attention...
[08:47] <Mithrandir> fabbione: 08:44 < thoreauputic> anyone in here with ops for #ubuntu? There's a racist troll in there who needs some attention...
[08:47] <Mithrandir> fabbione: could you handle that before heading for bed?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Mithrandir, done, thanks
[08:47] <Mithrandir> thoreauputic: ok, great
[08:47] <thoreauputic> fabbione, jdub thanks
[08:47] <fabbione> sorry.. i had to restart my session
[08:57] <pitti> Hi ogra 
[08:58] <Mithrandir> pitti: you might want to look at your #debian-devel window. :)
[09:03] <ogra> hey pitti
[09:04] <fabbione> hmmm i386 buildd bustage
[09:04] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gcc-3.3/3.3.4-5ubuntu1/gcc-3.3_3.3.4-5ubuntu1_20040729-0758-i386-failed
[09:05] <fabbione> doko: your gcc-3.{3,4} look busted
[09:05] <fabbione> doko: 3.4 is FTBFS on i386
[09:06] <fabbione> 3.3 is a chroot problem.. but hey...
[09:14] <cartman> hmm gcc-4.0 update will come soon I guess
[09:24] <doko> fabbione: nah, 3.4 is buildd crack, builds fine here. 3.3 is currently building
[09:27] <doko> lamont: ^^^
[09:34] <fabbione> doko: with the latest l-k-h?
[09:37] <mdz> fabbione: you're sick as well?
[09:37] <fabbione> mdz: yes... i think you missed my reply before
[09:37] <fabbione> i am heading to bed soon
[09:37] <fabbione> just finished to catch up on emails
[09:39] <mdz> fabbione: either you missed me or I missed you
[09:39] <mdz> fabbione: is it the UDUFlu or something else?
[09:39] <fabbione> mdz: the latter.. you pinged out...
[09:40] <fabbione> mdz: it's flu... not sure about UDU
[09:42] <mdz> doko: is there a newer oo.o2 milestone which can be packaged for breezy?
[09:42] <Nafallo> morning all
[09:42] <pitti> Hi Nafallo 
[09:44] <Nafallo> wanted to find my school and just typed in the equivalent of "adult education" :-P
[09:44] <hunger_> Good morning
[09:51] <jsgotangco> jdub, ping?
[09:51] <jdub> pong
[09:51] <jsgotangco> jdub, PhilOSC, Sept. 27-29
[09:51] <jdub> trade show or developer thing?
[09:52] <jsgotangco> tradeshow target companies and enterprises with some tracks
[09:52] <jdub> ok, cool
[09:52] <jdub> thanks!
[09:52] <jsgotangco> its probably suited for canonical instead of ubuntu community
[09:52] <jdub> wanna add it to the list on the UbuntuAtConference spec?
[09:53] <jsgotangco> ill add it but the organizer asked about canonical sponsoring? i can't answer
[09:53] <jdub> hmm
[09:53] <jdub> ask them to mail through a request to info@ubuntu.com
[09:53] <jdub> (unlikely though)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> ok thought of it as well
[09:58] <doko> mdz: as soon as g++-4.0 is the default and a newer GCC snapshot is uploaded.
[09:58] <doko> fabbione: yes, according to lamont, the buildd does have the latest l-k-h as well.
[09:58] <mdz> doko: are there any remaining prerequisites for g++-4.0 as default?
[09:59] <abelli> ciao everybody
[09:59] <abelli> fabbione: dig
[09:59] <abelli> ..ding
[10:00] <jsgotangco> abelli, ciao
[10:00] <doko> yes, an update, then I stop for automatic syncs from unstable, then we can start recompiling the C++ libs
[10:00] <abelli> jsgotangco: ciao
[10:14] <pitti> Hi astharot 
[10:16] <astharot> hi Martin
[10:16] <astharot> hello everybody
[10:17] <abelli> astharot: sciao bello
[10:17] <bob2> jdub: is glib gnome country, lp-wise?
[10:17] <mvirkkil> sladen: I spammed you with a new version of blotch (bogl bootsplash),
[10:17] <abelli> pitti: have you got a minut?
[10:17] <abelli> ..e
[10:17] <jdub> bob2: either GNOME or GTK+
[10:17] <pitti> abelli: sure, what's up?
[10:17] <bob2> jdub: ok!
[10:18] <abelli> pitti: have you ever heard of tarzan? .. well let's do this in ubuntu-hardened ..
[10:18] <astharot> ciao abelli :)
[10:19] <abelli> astharot: ubuntu-hardened anche tu?
[10:19] <astharot> abelli: nah
[10:23] <jdub> hrm, the realplayer package doesn't do realplayer 10
[10:23] <abelli> ogra: ciao
[10:24] <thom> mdz: ack?
[10:24] <jdub> yo thom
[10:24] <mdz> thom: how are you feeling?
[10:24] <thom> g'morning
[10:24] <thom> mdz: great!
[10:26] <ogra> morning
[10:26] <pitti> Hi tho
[10:26] <pitti> m
[10:26] <jsgotangco> hello guys
[10:26] <thom> hey pitti. how are you feeling about new utopia love? :-) (in other  news, firefox for hoary finished building overnight)
[10:27] <pitti> thom: I'm still waiting for daniels, we need to sort out some upgrade issues
[10:27] <pitti> thom: other than that: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/utopia/
[10:27] <pitti> Hey seb128 
[10:27] <pitti> thom: I'll update to hal 0.5.1 soon
[10:27] <seb128> hi pitti 
[10:27] <seb128> utopia? 
[10:28] <seb128> ROCK
[10:28] <seb128> what about new dbus crack?
[10:28] <thom> pitti: nod, cool
[10:28] <seb128> (I've uploaded a fixed pyrex yesterday so dbus builds now)
[10:29] <sladen> mvirkkil: ta
[10:31] <mvirkkil> sladen: It now has something like usplash-notifier that's non-blocking, instead of using plain echo
[10:31] <daniels> seb128: *cough*
[10:31] <seb128> hey daniels :)
[10:31] <daniels> seb128: next week, when I'm back at work
[10:31] <seb128> I was not sure, I've not seen you around this week, you are on VAC ?
[10:32] <Amaranth> hmm, looks like someone 'fixed' the libgda stuff
[10:32] <pitti> Hey daniels 
[10:32] <pitti> daniels: no worries, I still need to catch up with security anyway :-)
[10:32] <seb128> Amaranth: yeah, that's not good?
[10:32] <daniels> seb128: yeah, I'm on VAC all this week; was in Sydney still until yesterday
[10:32] <daniels> pitti: hey dude
[10:32] <pitti> daniels: we need to do a more more changes anyway (regarding proper SONAME-named libraries, etc)
[10:32] <Amaranth> seb128: well, it's trying to remove libgnome-cil and glade
[10:32] <seb128> pitti: on this topic, you have mail from this morning (sorry) :p
[10:32] <daniels> seb128: i'm also going away for the weekend, tomorrow
[10:32] <daniels> pitti: yeah
[10:33] <seb128> daniels: k
[10:33] <seb128> daniels: enjoy your VAC :)
[10:33] <daniels> cheers :)
[10:33] <seb128> Amaranth: nothing to do with gda, the transition need to be done
[10:34] <seb128> Amaranth: don't use breezy if you don't want such changes
[10:35] <Amaranth> seb128: i need new crack ;)
[10:35] <Amaranth> i'll just pin the packages
[10:36] <seb128> Amaranth: ...
[10:37] <Amaranth> what?
[10:37] <jsgotangco> brb
[10:38] <seb128> Amaranth: nm
[10:51] <hunger> thom: Turning off HT fixes powernowd for me.
[10:52] <thom> hunger: yes, as you'd expect
[10:55] <hunger> thom: Yeap, but isen't it nice, when a computer does what is expected for once? ;-)
[10:56] <dholbach> morning
[10:56] <aj> :q
[10:56] <aj> sorry
[10:57] <pitti> another vim user :-)
[10:57] <dholbach> hey pitti 
[10:57] <pitti> Hi dholbach 
[11:00] <aj> pitti: nvi, technically
[11:01] <mvo> morning dholbach 
[11:01] <dholbach> hey mvo
[11:01] <jsgotangco> hi dholbach, mvo
[11:14] <seb128> elmo_: can you move libpoppler-glib-dev to main?
[11:19] <seb128> somebody has an opinion on what is a good choice for a 19" LCD screen? :)
[11:20] <pitti> seb128: I have an AOC LM919, and am very satisfied with it :-)
[11:20] <jdub> seb128: definitely a desk. it will prefer a desk way more than, say, a window sill.
[11:21] <Zomb> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main libapr0 2.0.53-5ubuntu5.1
[11:21] <Zomb>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[11:21] <Zomb> ah, but now
[11:24] <seb128> pitti: the french websites don't even know about AOC :p
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: it's a noname brand
[11:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:24] <thom> seb128: i have a hitachi
[11:24] <jsgotangco> pretty good noname brand
[11:24] <thom> it's great
[11:24] <pitti> seb128: http://markt.golem.de/14-77e2.html
[11:24] <pitti> (German, though)
[11:25] <seb128> is that worth getting one with DVI?
[11:25] <Mithrandir> samsung and NEC are nice too
[11:25] <thom> seb128: yes! dvi-d is the only way to run a tft :-)
[11:25] <seb128> jdub: I don't get what you said, sorry :p
[11:25] <pitti> seb128: http://www.aoc-europe.com/monitors_lm929.html
[11:25] <seb128> thanks guy
[11:25] <pitti> seb128: mine has DVI (you should), but it doesn't make much of a difference with an 80cm VGA cable
[11:26] <mvo> seb128: I have a benq FP992 and I'm pretty happy with it
[11:27] <seb128> apparently everybody is happy with his screen, I guess than there is no big differences they are all fine
[11:27] <dholbach> seb128: that's how it sounded to me as well ;-)
[11:27] <seb128> I'll pick one with DVI and that should be fine
[11:27] <Mithrandir> I'm using an acer al1721 at uni, very nice.
[11:28] <mvo> that's probably because most of us have choosen carefull :)
[11:28] <seb128> ah ah
[11:28] <Zomb> hm
[11:28] <pitti> yeah, it took me three weeks to find a good model
[11:28] <Zomb> after trying to add Debian archive keys to apt's keyring, I get:
[11:28] <Zomb> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:29] <jsgotangco> ive been using AOC for years its great
[11:29] <seb128> pitti: it's taking me 3 weeks to decide between all the equivalent ones too :p
[11:29] <Zomb> gpg -a --keyring `pwd`/trusted.gpg --list-keys | grep Ubuntu
[11:29] <Zomb> pub  1024D/437D05B5 2004-09-12 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[11:29] <pitti> seb128: you definitively want a function to tweak zooming (full screen, keep aspect ration, no interpolation)
[11:29] <pitti> seb128: it's pretty hard to find a monitor that supports that
[11:29] <seb128> oh
[11:30] <pitti> seb128: if you can't switch off interpolation, then other video modes will look scary
[11:31] <bob2> oh, cool
[11:31] <Zomb> however, the sig checks fail only on hoary-updates and breezy files, not on hoary
[11:31] <bob2> the gpg key thing is known-screwed
[11:31] <Mithrandir> pitti: why on earth would you run an LCD with a non-native resolution?
[11:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: to play video games or play videos
[11:32] <Mithrandir> pitti: games can usually run in 1280x1024 and you can rescale videos just fine.
[11:32] <pitti> Mithrandir: frozen bubble is a counterexample :-)
[11:32] <Mithrandir> anyhow, videos should go on the wall. ;)
[11:33] <pitti> Mithrandir: besides, my computer is not fast enough to play videos/games in 1280x1024
[11:33] <Mithrandir> pitti: get an AMD64. ;)
[11:33] <pitti> hehe
[11:35] <cartman> imagemagick-dev not available on amd64 ?
[11:35] <cartman> Mithrandir: there is no native amd64 game anyway :(
[11:35] <cartman> commercially
[11:36] <Mithrandir> cartman: so?  You can run it just fine in a chroot.
[11:36] <cartman> too much work and its 32bit ;)
[11:36] <jsgotangco> im going home bye people
[11:36] <dholbach> jsgotangco: bye jerome
[11:37] <pitti> bye jsgotangco 
[11:37] <cartman> nm my imagemagick q.
[12:00] <seb128> elmo: gtk-industrial-engine sync please
[12:03] <elmo> seb128: whine
[12:03] <elmo> this is one of the cases that makes the sync program cry
[12:04] <seb128> elmo: what's wrong with it?
[12:05] <elmo> gtk-engines-industrial | 0.2.36.4ubuntu1 | breezy/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[12:05] <elmo> gtk2-engines-industrial | 1:2.6.2-0ubuntu2 |        breezy | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[12:05] <elmo> you're asking me to import a new source package called 'gtk-engines-industrial' which is in universe.  it's trying to build a package 'gtk2-enginges-industrial' which is in main
[12:06] <elmo> that violates sync program's constraints
[12:06] <seb128> elmo: hum
[12:06] <seb128> gtk2-engines (1:2.6.3-1ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[12:06] <seb128>   * Sync with Debian.
[12:06] <seb128>   * debian/control.in:
[12:06] <seb128>     - gtk2-engines-dev is not useful, gtk2-engines-industrial 
[12:06] <seb128>       and gtk2-engines-smooth have other source.
[12:07] <seb128> elmo: this version should not build gtk2-engines-industrial, I've changed that yesterday
[12:07] <elmo> err
[12:07] <pitti> astharot: duh, just read your mail about fixing squid; I'm already at it (warty and hoary)
[12:07] <seb128> elmo: hum, it's seeded somewhere?
[12:07] <pitti> astharot: please ask me before fixing a main package, to avoid double work
[12:07] <astharot> ok pitti :)
[12:08] <elmo> seb128: dude, gtk2-engines-industrial in the archive has a version of 1:2.6.2-0ubuntu2
[12:08] <elmo> you're asking me to sync 0.2.46.0
[12:08] <seb128> hum rightr
[12:08] <seb128> I need to figure what to do, thanks
[12:08] <elmo> and I need to add a check for that to josie.  somehow.  hum.  not sure I even can
[12:08] <seb128> elmo: BTW evince still crying and flooding build logs on libpoppler-glib-dev
[12:09] <seb128> elmo: needs to be moved to main
[12:11] <mirak> hi
[12:11] <mirak> do you also have problems with usb in breezy ?
[12:11] <tseng> mirak: try modprobe sd-mod
[12:12] <mirak> tseng: this works for mass storage
[12:12] <tseng> next time use #ubuntu
[12:12] <mirak> tseng: I have find a fix on google
[12:12] <mirak> ok
[12:13] <mirak> my question was more if the usb is generally broken
[12:13] <mirak> I will ask in ubuntu
[12:13] <Mithrandir> mirak: it's a know issue, bugs have been filed.
[12:14] <mirak> I have asked a more general question in #ubuntu, maybe you are on this channel too
[12:19] <elmo> seb128: done
[12:19] <seb128> thanks
[12:20] <p0m> Treenaks: I somehow just killed a 30gb drive :|
[12:21] <Treenaks> p0m: stop throwing them aroudn the room
[12:21] <p0m> But you have to break them in!
[12:21] <p0m> How am I going to break them in if they aren't disciplined.
[12:24] <p0m> At least it wasn't one of the Sata for the raid.
[12:27] <p0m> I know you guys have probably heard this 9^nE times, but is there any eta on the Hoary CD's from shipit?>
[12:28] <p0m> Heh.
[12:31] <JaneW> Mithrandir: sorry to bother, but I have been unable to get GAIM Jabber to connect at all...
[12:32] <JaneW> Mithrandir: so I thought I would try another package, I went to the package manager and wanted to select python-2.4-jabber
[12:33] <JaneW> Mithrandir: but it indicates that it IS already installed. So how do I find it, I can;t see it obviously listed in any menu...
[12:33] <seb128> JaneW: for jabber you can try gossip
[12:33] <JaneW> ok...
[12:34] <Mithrandir> JaneW: python2.4-jabber sounds like a library package to use jabber from python.
[12:34] <JaneW> oic...
[12:34] <pitti> Riddell: ping
[12:34] <Mithrandir> JaneW: do you get any kind of errors from gaim?
[12:35] <JaneW> yes, unauthorised at times, unable to connect other times. But I can;t establish why. From windows I just d/led a package and connected...
[12:35] <Mithrandir> JaneW: sounds weird. :/
[12:37] <JaneW> brb trying something...
[12:38] <Riddell> pitti: hi
[12:39] <pitti> Riddell: is CAN-2005-0404 any issue for hoary/warty?
[12:39] <pitti> (although we certainly don't need to support warty universe any more)
[12:39] <SlackShrike> hi
[12:42] <Kamion> urg, I can't even work around #10445
[12:44] <Riddell> pitti: it seems to be considered not a serious problem http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96020
[12:45] <Riddell> pitti: since HTML is off by default I tend to agree
[12:46] <SlackShrike> I am have a 915P/G Combo A7058IMS, P4 HT and the ubuntu-live don't boot in this machine ?
[12:47] <SlackShrike> sorry, i don't speak good english
[12:48] <mvo> Riddell: \sh (in #synaptic) is interessted in working with pyqt and python-apt on some package-managment stuff (just FYI)
[12:49] <Riddell> mvo: cool, I'll chat with him
[12:51] <dholbach> see you later
[12:52] <Kamion> SlackShrike: how far does it get?
[01:02] <SlackShrike> Kamion: The live-cd don't found the cd-rom .
[01:06] <Riddell> what's the process for uploading to hoary-updates?
[01:06] <astharot> pitti: you are just dieing, isn't it? :)
[01:06] <pitti> astharot: oh, am I? Why? :-)
[01:07] <astharot> check the mailbox :P
[01:07] <Kamion> SlackShrike: please file a bug against cdrom-detect, attaching /var/log/syslog and the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n'. (You'll need to figure out some way to get those files out of the installer; sorry, that may be difficult.)
[01:07] <pitti> astharot:  argh, new crack... you are a robot, aren't you?
[01:07] <astharot> yes sure
[01:07] <mirak> pcitable is the file where you now wich module match wich device according to is vendor et device id. I am searching the same for usb devices
[01:07] <pitti> astharot: dude, you really need to become a MOTU
[01:08] <astharot> I really need to f*ck! :D
[01:08] <Mithrandir> Kamion: around?
[01:09] <Kamion> Mithrandir: yes
[01:09] <Mithrandir> Kamion: do you have any idea what's needed for pterm to support dead keys?
[01:09] <Mithrandir> it's annoying not being able to type accented characters. 
[01:10] <Kamion> Mithrandir: I'd start in unix/gtkwin.c:key_event(), but I don't know the specifics.
[01:10] <Kamion> I think the comment about "requires Unicode faff before even trying" is probably old - there should be enough Unicode infrastructure there now
[01:10] <Mithrandir> Kamion: hmm, ok, thanks.
[01:10] <Kamion> but that's about where it would need to go
[01:10] <Mithrandir> I'll see what I can do, then.
[01:12] <SlackShrike> Kamion: 1 minute 
[01:18] <Lathiat> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:18] <Lathiat> what causes that to happen?
[01:20] <Kamion> SlackShrike: no hurry, I've got a bunch of bugs like that
[01:21] <ogra> YAY
[01:22] <Mithrandir> ogra: sweet.
[01:22] <ogra> yeah
[01:22] <ogra> its still indexing....
[01:26] <hunger> great, ubuntu-desktop is installable again in breezy. Good work guys!
[01:26] <Amaranth> is it just me or are packages not actually getting uploaded?
[01:27] <thom> Amaranth: eh?
[01:27] <Amaranth> i've got a long list of things that have upgrades available and i get a 404 for all of them
[01:27] <Amaranth> maybe the mirror is behind?
[01:27] <thom> horked mirror most likely, yeah
[01:27] <hunger> Amaranth: I had that too, the problem vanished when I tried again.
[01:27] <Amaranth> 82.211.81.151
[01:27] <Amaranth> that's the IP of the mirror, i guess
[01:28] <Amaranth> heh, now i'm getting GPG errors
[01:28] <Amaranth> must be in the middle of a mirror
[01:28] <Lathiat> yeh i got one of those for security to
[01:29] <Amaranth> i was told that happens when things are updating
[01:30] <Kamion> hunger: it'll be randomly installable/uninstallable for some time to come; metapackages are like that
[01:30] <hunger> Kamion: No problem with that for me... I got it installed now;-)
[01:35] <ogra> :-/
[01:36] <ogra> beagle doesnt like my 35000 ubuntu-users mails it seems
[01:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: I wonder how it'll handle my ~600k mails, then.
[01:37] <ogra> might be caused by the weird source i used... i'll just wait for tsengs package.... f-spot doesnt compile, but tomboy and muine run just great
[01:37] <Kamion> is MOM running at the moment? I don't seem to have got merge bugs for the last few days, although the merges are there on rookery
[01:40] <SlackShrike> Kamion: In the live-cd don't have lspci
[01:41] <Kamion> SlackShrike: oh, it's not in the initrd, drat
[01:41] <Kamion> never mind then
[01:41] <Kamion> maybe I should add it to the initrd, although it's quite big when you take pci.lst into account ...
[01:44] <Nafallo> hi all
[01:57] <Kamion> MOM> ah, there she goes now
[01:58] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:58] <Nafallo> Kamion: care to explain what MOM is/stands for? :-)
[01:59] <Kamion> Nafallo: merge-o-matic
[01:59] <Kamion> it's the thing that tells us we need to merge new changes from Debian, and tries to do a lot of the grunt work for us
[01:59] <Nafallo> Kamion: ahh, I thought it was Masters Of Multiverse first ;-)
[02:00] <Kamion> in fact I was just confused 'cos many of the installer default bug assignments are incorrect
[02:00] <Nafallo> Kamion: yepp, I knew about it. I just wasn't smart enough to figure out that it was m-o-m ;-)
[02:02] <Kamion> elmo: please sync countrychooser from Debian; OK to throw away our branding changes since we aren't actually using it any more
[02:10] <mvo> to what adress should kde bugs assinged? just to riddell :p ?
[02:10] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:11] <pitti> mvo: amu, too
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> nm
[02:15] <mvo> ping Riddell 
[02:16] <JaneW> does anyone else have photo's from UDU on-line ?
[02:17] <Nafallo> JaneW: you're making a wiki for the galleries? :-)
[02:17] <dholbach> JaneW: i know tseng's, ogra's, Mithrandir's and jblack's apart from yours
[02:18] <JaneW> dholbach: I have those - in warthogs wiki
[02:18] <JaneW> do we need them in a public wiki too?
[02:18] <dholbach> YES! :-)
[02:18] <Nafallo> ofcourse :-)
[02:18] <JaneW> oic
[02:19] <Nafallo> wiki.ubuntu.com should have them :-)
[02:19] <Nafallo> they got the mataro sessions :-)
[02:19] <JaneW> well find me more links then ;)
[02:19] <JaneW> Naf: ok
[02:19] <JaneW> sorry about the contracted nick - amused me to do that ;)
[02:20] <Nafallo> JaneW: *s*
[02:21] <Nafallo> is it decided where it will be yet? :-)
[02:21] <Nafallo> ((sweden would be great)) ;-)
[02:21] <Treenaks> (more "when" than "where" -> need to tell my boss)
[02:22] <JaneW> Tree - October
[02:22] <Treenaks> JaneW: cool
[02:22] <ogra> Nafallo, is it warm in sweden in oct ?
[02:22] <Nafallo> ogra: nope :-)
[02:22] <ogra> hmm
[02:23] <Nafallo> ogra: or... depends on where ;-)
[02:23] <ogra> south sweden ?
[02:23] <ogra> *g*
[02:23] <ogra> far south.....
[02:23] <Nafallo> ogra: probably warmer than north anyway :-)
[02:23] <ajmitch_> at least in .se there'd be a better chance of a decent internet connection :)
[02:23] <ogra> thats true
[02:23] <dholbach> ajmitch_: haha, exactly :-)
[02:24] <Nafallo> hmm, I would be willing to investigate sweden's southern part for that purpose :-)
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> hrm.. we need to find a way to heat sweden
[02:25] <Nafallo> if most "demo-parties" can get dual 1gb/s then we also should be able to ;-)
[02:27] <Nafallo> JaneW: that isn't far from Australia, is it? ;-)
[02:27] <srbaker> how do i turn off the "mouse keys" thing?
[02:27] <JaneW> well it;s much further north
[02:27] <srbaker> when i hit numbers on my keypad, the mouse cursor moves around
[02:27] <JaneW> and a shorter flight from everywhere
[02:27] <JaneW> was 9 hours for us compared to 14 to Sydney
[02:27] <JaneW> and it's AMAZING
[02:31] <mvo> srbaker: system/preferences/keyboard/accessability IIRC
[02:32] <seb128> elmo: glade-2 sync from debian exp please
[02:32] <Riddell> mvo: to kubuntu
[02:33] <Riddell> mvo: link on bugzilla.ubuntu.org front page
[02:33] <Nafallo> hehe, rainy, windy and cold :-)
[02:36] <Nafallo> hmm.
[02:36] <Nafallo> the same ;-)
[02:36] <Nafallo> *laughs*
[02:36] <Nafallo> atleast we got good connections speeds ;-)
[02:37] <Nafallo> but then again. all the wind cames of the flat landscape.
[02:37] <Nafallo> maybe stockholm or gothenburg would be better...
[02:39] <JaneW> ok I added the links I have.
[02:39] <JaneW> UDU photos can be viewed at : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[02:40] <dholbach> JaneW: you rock! :-)
[02:40] <dilinger> nice
[02:40] <Nafallo> JaneW: great! thanks :-)
[02:40] <ogra> yeah
[02:45] <ajmitch_> thanks, JaneW :)
[02:48] <srbaker> huh?
[02:48] <srbaker> whoops
[02:50] <seb128> pitti: that's not a time for lunch dude :)
[02:51] <seb128> you should have a "take a lunch" like the "take a break" stuff :)
[02:51] <pitti> seb128: any time I'm hungry is a good time for lunch :-)
[02:51] <seb128> ah ah
[02:52] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:53] <Kamion> elmo: please sync rootskel 1.14 from incoming; OK to discard Ubuntu changes
[03:01] <thom> pitti: do you have CVEs for our bugs 9926 through 9928
[03:02] <zyga> hellol
[03:03] <zyga> could dbus be used to notify other programs that network status has changed?
[03:04] <thom> zyga: yes, networkmanager already has code to do it
[03:05] <zyga> thom: networkmanager?
[03:06] <zyga> thom: network-admin?
[03:07] <thom> networkmanager
[03:07] <thom> zyga: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[03:08] <zyga> thom: many thanks
[03:10] <thom> zyga: (http://verbum.org/blog/freesoftware/dialog-war)
[03:12] <dholbach> bye mvo
[03:12] <zyga> thom: am I right that ubuntu doesn't have this packaged?
[03:13] <thom> zyga: people.ubuntu.com/~thom/netowrk-manager/
[03:21] <Lathiat> looks like one of the security mirrors is out of date
[03:21] <dholbach> bbl
[03:21] <Lathiat> had to try about 5 time to get tcpdump last 3 times i tried
[03:22] <zyga> thom: where can I find your gpg key?
[03:22] <Lathiat> zyga: ubuntu keyring?
[03:34] <zyga> thom: NetworkManagerNotification: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:35] <zyga> thom: I've got -11 though
[03:37] <wasabi_> zyga, i have a test implementation that works done.
[03:40] <zyga> wasabi_: cool
[03:48] <zul> heyu
[03:57] <zyga> hmm
[03:57] <zyga> does anyone uses powernowd on amd laptop?
[03:57] <zyga> powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.95, (c) 2003-2005 John Clemens
[03:57] <zyga> ncpus is not a multiple of threads_per_core!
[03:58] <zyga> cd /sys/
[03:58] <zyga> ls
[04:00] <ogra> zyga, i do
[04:00] <zyga> ogra: did you notice powernowd stopped working recently?
[04:00] <ogra> nope
[04:01] <ogra> else my laptop would burn
[04:01] <ogra> be sure i'd recognize it :)
[04:02] <Keybuk> powernowd works for me
[04:02] <Keybuk> even if something's busticated in the kernel thermal department
[04:02] <Keybuk> the latest kernel seems keen on decided my laptop is overheating, when it isn't
[04:03] <zyga> strange
[04:03] <zyga> it suddenly stopped working 
[04:03] <zyga> powernowd doesn't start at all (message avove)
[04:03] <Keybuk> May  6 01:02:02 localhost kernel: Critical temperature reached (112 C), shutting down.
[04:03] <Keybuk> May  6 01:02:02 localhost kernel: Critical temperature reached (54 C), shutting
[04:03] <Keybuk> down.
[04:04] <Keybuk> 54 C _isn't_ a critical temperature (103 C is the critical point)
[04:04] <Keybuk> and the temperature was never 112 C
[04:04] <zyga> I've just installed cpufreq 
[04:04] <zyga> if it can keep my laptop at lowest possible frequency at all times I'll use that instead ;-)
[04:05] <zyga> cool it works ;-)
[04:06] <zyga> my laptop is a very crappy model and is hot as hell even on 798Mhz 
[04:06] <zyga> maybe the GPU has something to do with it (i believe it's right under my left hand)
[04:06] <pitti> Keybuk: was that the reason for the sudden shutdown at UDU?
[04:06] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah
[04:07] <pitti> Keybuk: so at least you found the reason :-) 
[04:07] <Keybuk> it seems to randomly get the temperature wrong
[04:07] <zyga> BTW: does any gpu support 'power saving mode'?
[04:07] <seb128> pffiou, this one iz not gtk bog
[04:07] <seb128> ;)
[04:07] <pitti> no, gnome this time
[04:07] <Keybuk> so is
[04:10] <jnc> please, take pity on me.  http://pastebin.com/280448
[04:10] <jnc> what is broken?    is it perl?
[04:11] <jnc> this is a breezy upgrade from hoary
[04:11] <jnc> a few things have broken that work again once i reinstall the packages
[04:11] <jnc> so i would like to know a 2nd opinion on what may be broken here
[04:11] <jnc> then i may try to re-install it and see if that helps
[04:11] <Keybuk> breezy is broken
[04:12] <Lathiat> if you want stuff to work, don't run breezy.
[04:13] <jnc> so...  you aren't interested in finding out what is broke and help make it work again?
[04:15] <jnc> this is much different from gentoo :/
[04:15] <jnc> i'm used to saying "here, something is broke, i don't know what it is" and at the very least there are people who would take a minute to tell me what's broke and where i might start to go about fixing it
[04:17] <azeem_> jnc: this is for #ubuntu.  In #ubuntu-devel, you will have to come along with a patch in order for your bug to be discussed
[04:17] <jnc> azeem_: how can i patch if i'm not sure what's broken?
[04:17] <jnc> :/
[04:17] <jnc> sorry to bother you all
[04:22] <zul> jnc: you can open a bug in bugzillaq
[04:22] <jnc> zul: i'm not sure it's even a bug
[04:35] <SlackShrike> Kamion: Hi
[04:36] <SlackShrike> Kamion: I am testing the new debian-installer and it detected the cd-rom
[04:43] <thom> zyga: shrug, it needs recompiling
[04:50] <wasabi> i like it
[04:50] <wasabi> probably just because i got used to it
[04:51] <zyga> wasabi: how do you deal with different indent settings for vim?
[04:55] <pitti> zyga: I have "autocmd FileType python :set smartindent cinwords=if,elif,else,for,while,try,except,finally,def,class"
[04:57] <jnc> uhh..   i figured out a way to make printing function sort of
[04:57] <jnc> gs-gpl is fubar'd in amd64/breezy
[04:58] <jnc> gs-esp will make things output to the printer, but it has that SetLineDash error i thought we'd fixed in hoary
[04:58] <robtaylor_> are there any instructions on using casper from scratch anywhere?
[04:58] <jnc> so i'm kind of confused now
[04:59] <wasabi> I don't use vim
[05:05] <Kamion> SlackShrike: thank you for amazingly usefully quitting
[05:05] <Kamion> mutter. I imagine it's a hotplug thing.
[05:06] <zyga> pitti: wow :-)
[05:06] <zyga> pitti: many many thanks :)
[05:07] <stockhol1> Kamion: lol
[05:07] <zyga> wasabi: I'm addicted
[05:08] <pitti> zyga: you're welcome :-)
[05:08] <JaneW> bye all
[05:08] <JaneW> have a great week-end
[05:09] <thom> cya jane
[05:09] <JaneW> *wave*
[05:09] <pitti> bye JaneW 
[05:09] <Simira> Mithrandir: don't you have an assignment to fix?
[05:10] <zul> heh..burn
[05:10] <Mithrandir> Simira: I do, but I can't do that all the time. ;)
[05:10] <Simira> Mithrandir: why not? Are you still building gcc?
[05:10] <Mithrandir> Simira: no, I'm just trying to avoid doing it.
[05:11] <Simira> Mithrandir: that won't get you far, right?
[05:11] <Mithrandir> true
[05:14] <jnc> Mithrandir: O_O
[05:14] <jnc> :)
[05:14] <jnc> Mithrandir: btw i found out something in breezy for amd64 that might be interesting to you
[05:14] <jnc> /dev/usb/lp0 defaults to root:root 660 perms
[05:14] <Mithrandir> jnc: let me hear
[05:15] <Mithrandir> probably just some udev sillyness; I doubt it's amd64 specific.
[05:15] <jnc> aye
[05:15] <jnc> also, gs-gpl is fubar.  i can't be more specific than that, as i am not able to concentrate on that sort of thing
[05:15] <Mithrandir> I'm not sure what's going on with udev ATM, but it seems to need some love.
[05:16] <jnc> gs-esp version from bug 8121
[05:16] <jnc> works fine
[05:18] <jnc> Mithrandir: the OOo amd64 thing is bug #6762  FYI (you probably already have it open though)
[05:18] <Mithrandir> jnc: yup, I know
[05:39] <Mithrandir> jnc: can you verify that the new package fixes the problem for you? http://err.no/tmp/ia32-libs-gtk_4_amd64.deb
[05:40] <jnc> Mithrandir: i have to run, i'm late for a meeting.   i will verify later;  thank you very much,  but i really do have to run
[05:40] <Mithrandir> ok
[05:41] <Mithrandir> anybody else with an amd64 around who could verify?
[05:42] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: /dev/usb/lp0 is like that on x86 too
[05:42] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: yeah, as I said: probably udev bug.
[05:42] <Amaranth> Mithrandir: Yeah, just confirming
[05:42] <Mithrandir> ah, sure
[06:00] <Riddell> lamont: what happens with packages uploaded to hoary-updates?  I see no build logs
[06:07] <mdz> morning
[06:07] <pitti> Hi mdz 
[06:07] <thom> morning mdz
[06:10] <Lathiat> Riddell: one would assume they have to be approved by someone
[06:10] <mirak> when I compile a module, do I need to use the SAME compiler than the Kernel was compiled with ?
[06:13] <Lathiat> mirak: yes
[06:13] <Lathiat> mirak: if your running breezy, then temporarily replace /usr/bin/gcc with a symlink to gcc-3.3 (rather than gcc-4.0)
[06:13] <doko> Mithrandir, mdz: do we have a policy for hoary-updates? ia32-libs-gtk to fix #6762 would be a candidate, local change, no other package affected
[06:14] <mirak> Lathiat: I have done that, it's ok now
[06:14] <Mithrandir> doko: I would be fine with pushing it in after it has stayed in breezy for a little while.
[06:14] <mirak> I am proud I guessed it ;)
[06:14] <Lathiat> )
[06:14] <Lathiat> :), rather
[06:15] <Mithrandir> doko: are you planning on doing any binutils uploads in the near future?  If so, I'd love to see http://sources.redhat.com/ml/binutils/2004-09/msg00299.html go in.
[06:15] <elmo> please don't blindly apply h.j.lu patches
[06:16] <elmo> (I realise that was ACKed, I mean in General)
[06:16] <Taliesin`> hmmm
[06:16] <Taliesin`> fresh updates to the debian mirrors
[06:16] <Mithrandir> elmo: yes, you've said so before. :)  This one fixes a very, very confusing error and has been in for half a year so I guess it's mostly sane, though. :)
[06:17] <Lathiat> h.j.lu?
[06:17] <doko> elmo: will you fix #8970, or should I prepare an upload?
[06:17] <mdz> doko: I agree with Mithrandir; let's allow it some time in Breezy first
[06:18] <elmo> doko: I don't have time for maintenance of ubuntu packages, please don't wait for me on "my packages" (i.e. ones I maintain in Debian)
[06:18] <doko> ok, any reason not to upload 2.16, did you contact drow about it?
[06:19] <doko> elmo: ^^^
[06:19] <elmo> to Ubuntu?  not particularly.  in Debian, binutils is very much frozen
[06:19] <elmo> no need to contact drow, AFAICS
[06:20] <Kamion> could probably go to experimental?
[06:20] <Kamion> although a little risky given how people like to install newest crack of everything on development boxes
[06:20] <elmo> right
[06:21] <doko> heh, that's what experimental is for ... 
[06:22] <elmo> I probably will upload it to experimental eventually, but AFAIC there's no great rush
[06:22] <doko> elmo: ok, I'll package it, provide packages for review and testing first.
[06:22] <elmo> there's a reason binutils is on a slow release schedule, it's changes aren't usually very interesting
[06:22] <elmo> doko: k
[06:22] <mirak> crap
[06:22] <mirak> I can't insert it now !
[06:22] <mirak> WARNING: Error inserting i2c_algo_usb (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/i2c-algo-usb.ko): Invalid module format
[06:22] <mirak> FATAL: Error inserting usbvision (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/usbvision.ko): Invalid module format
[06:22] <mirak> mm wrong cannel
[06:23] <Kamion> elmo: did you catch my rootskel sync request?
[06:24] <wasabi> So I was thinking. Is there support in apt-secure now for tracking package upgrades between keys? For instance, if a package is updated it should only be allowed to be updated by a package that is signed by the same key?
[06:24] <elmo> wasabi: apt's authentication isn't that granular
[06:24] <elmo> oh, well, I suppose it kind of is
[06:24] <wasabi> Could it be made so? I'm thinking of a situation for ISVs
[06:25] <wasabi> Where an ISV would provide a repository to track upgrades for their own software, which isn't allowed to replace, say, bash.
[06:25] <Kamion> wasabi: it would probably be easier to think about it on a per-repository basis rather than per-package
[06:25] <mirak> question, what compiler is used to compile ubuntu x86 kernels ?
[06:25] <Lathiat> mirak: gcc-3.3 atm
[06:25] <mirak> ok so I compiled with 3.4 and it failed
[06:25] <mirak> can this be the cause ?
[06:25] <Lathiat> yes
[06:25] <Lathiat> you want to make it 3.3
[06:25] <Kamion> that's why it's built with 3.3
[06:25] <wasabi> Kamion, yeah, you see my point though.
[06:25] <mirak> erf
[06:26] <Lathiat> if you read dmesg, it will tell you that you need to build it with the same gcc version
[06:26] <Kamion> wasabi: yeah. AFAIK there's no code at all for that kind of thing though.
[06:26] <doko> elmo: fabbione wanted you to build a ppc64 kernel on davis. that one is needed to build and test the gcc biarch. that means, that we need the ppc buildd's run a 64bit kernel. how can we go on with this?
[06:26] <elmo> Kamion: done
[06:26] <Kamion> you'd have to remember the repository from which a package was installed, and have some mechanism for locking them
[06:26] <Kamion> elmo: ta
[06:27] <wasabi> Kamion, yeah, exactly.
[06:27] <elmo> doko: is the hoary kernel source good enough for ppc64?
[06:27] <wasabi> Kamion, I was thinking it might be easier to just remember which key a package was installed with.
[06:27] <wasabi> Which is why I was thinking about it from that angle.
[06:28] <wasabi> That allows smoother migration from like, ftp to http repositories, etc etc.
[06:28] <wasabi> cdrom, etc.
[06:28] <wasabi> An upgrade would only be allowed if the upgrading package was signed by the same key, or the key it was signed by was signed by the old key.
[06:28] <wasabi> I'm thinking.
[06:29] <doko> elmo: I don't know, that's a question to fabbione. I'm working on a machine, which runs a 2.6.5 kernel, so it should ...
[06:31] <Kamion> wasabi: I think that's probably harder, especially for key rollovers
[06:31] <Kamion> apt doesn't really handle rollovers particularly usefully at the moment AFAIK
[06:32] <mdz> wasabi: there's even less code for that
[06:35] <doko> is lamont around today?
[06:37] <lamont> doko: yeah
[06:37] <wasabi> Kamion, well, I put together my idea yesterday. User-wise, it works pretty well. Obviously it has to be secure to be useful though. Are your concerns written down anywhere I can read?
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> Mem:    906660k total,   597720k used,   308940k free,   122648k buffers
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> I have a gig and a quart of ram.  :(
[06:39] <Kamion> wasabi: doubt it
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> this is on the livecd though.
[06:39] <bluefoxicy> Every time I cry kernel config error though the kernel team is like "we got that already" so I wanna make sure
[06:40] <wasabi> Kamion, is it too long for you to outline here? :)
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> the ubuntu kernel doesn't support large memory?  I was sure it did. . . . . .
[06:40] <Kamion> the 386 kernel doesn't do highmem
[06:40] <Kamion> the other configs do
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> oh.  So my 686 kernel will.  :)
[06:40] <Kamion> wasabi: maybe some other time
[06:42] <koke> elmo: ping?
[06:42] <elmo> koke: ?
[06:42] <koke> do you know if I can already upload? :)
[06:42] <elmo> koke: is your key signed?
[06:42] <koke> yeah
[06:43] <elmo> ok, I'll do it in the next batch then, I'll reply to your mail when it's done
[06:43] <koke> ok, thanks
[07:04] <Lathiat> ugh, who is jeff baily
[07:04] <wasabi> haha
[07:04] <Lathiat> linux-kernel-headers is broken due to the attempt at x86/x86-64 setup. :)
[07:08] <thom> Lathiat: jbailey
[07:08] <Lathiat> cheers
[07:17] <zul> hey jbailey 
[07:17] <Lathiat> speak of the devil
[07:18] <Lathiat> oh well i filed it as a bug now.
[07:19] <Nafallo> Lathiat: signed it to "the devil"? ;-)
[07:20] <jbailey> Heya Chuck (and everyone)
[07:38] <seb128> what package is to blame for #8518: writing which seems to work on an usbkey with a readonly switch ... linux ?
[07:39] <pitti> sounds like a missing kernel feature :-)
[07:40] <seb128> k, I reassigning on linux :)
[07:41] <zul> meh..
[07:52] <zerokarmaleft> tseng, ping
[07:58] <Kamion> hm, a simple incremental make in a glibc build tree takes quite a while ...
[08:01] <elmo> glibc's the poster child for 'when makefiles go bad'
[08:01] <Kamion> it's the enormous libc_nonshared.a. I suppose I could just ctrl-c it
[08:02] <Kamion> but I'm building on amd64, it's never going to be *that* bad :)
[08:03] <Kamion> jbailey: (if you're working on #10445, let me know, as otherwise I'm trying to pick my way through _nl_find_locale() now ...)
[08:03] <jbailey> Kamion: I haven't started on that one yet.
[08:04] <Kamion> ok, since it's blocking me I've started to try and understand it
[08:06] <jbailey> I'd like to finish the udev permissions bug first - I can dive in after and look with you.
[08:06] <Kamion> ok, sounds good; I'll see how far I get in the meantime
[08:10] <pitti> bye folks, nice weekend for everybody!
[08:11] <Nafallo> pitti: see ya!
[08:11] <Nafallo> zul: you should probably update the rt2x00 driver ;-)
[08:12] <zul> meh...its a first run
[08:12] <Nafallo> zul: one of the developers cards stopped working and he removed everything eeprom and reduced the txpower choices :-P.
[08:13] <zul> ah...well ill have a look at it this weekend if i have time
[08:13] <Nafallo> zul: :-)
[08:14] <Nafallo> the timespec for that driver was beta in january if I remember correctly.
[08:15] <Nafallo> we might want to play safe and import rt2400 and rt2500 til rt2x00 is more mature.
[08:15] <zul> send me the info
[08:15] <zul> zulcss@gmail.com
[08:15] <zul> im at work right now
[08:16] <Nafallo> zul: k
[08:35] <doko> elmo: please could you update / create a breezy-i386 chroot on concordia? I'd like to check for the gcc-3.4 build failure. the build suceeds on my local machine.
[08:53] <elmo> Unpacking replacement linux-kernel-headers ...
[08:53] <elmo> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:53] <elmo>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/asm/bootsetup.h', which is also in package amd64-libs-dev
[08:53] <elmo> ^-- doko/jbailey: someone
[08:54] <jbailey> elmo: Yeah.  Scott gave me the hint for fixing that at the end of yesterday.  I haven't done the upload yet.
[08:54] <doko> hmm, yes, there's an override missing. maybe install amd64-libs-dev first
[08:54] <jbailey> elmo: Can work around it by uninstalling amd64-libs, updating linux-kernel-headers, and then installing the new amd64-libs
[08:54] <jbailey> elmo: Evil stuff having to do with replaces, conflits and diverts.
[08:54] <elmo> yeah
[08:54] <elmo> thanks
[08:59] <Lathiat> theres also some breakage in the new kernel headers wrt to __u64 and strict ansi mode
[09:00] <Lathiat> (-std=c99)
[09:03] <elmo> uh, WTF
[09:03] <elmo> DOKO
[09:04] <elmo> GOD DAMN IT, STOP BYHAND SYNCING
[09:04] <doko> which package?
[09:04] <elmo> bison
[09:04] <elmo> which btw doesn't even bloody install
[09:06] <doko> hmm, where's the problem? it did work fine for me.
[09:06] <elmo> bison-doc is overwriting files in bison
[09:07] <Kamion> jbailey: hmm. Appears that the LC_* files in rootskel-locale are triggering the "Bad data file" check in _nl_intern_locale_data() (nice of it to give a useful error message, NOT). I'm digging further.
[09:08] <Lathiat> bison, bison-doc install fine here
[09:08] <Kamion> it's all a bit WTF because those files were generated by localedef, I think from the same glibc
[09:08] <doko> thanks, adding a Replaces: bison (<< 2.0)
[09:16] <Kamion> ... oh. they changed the locale data file magic number. that might have something to do with it
[09:16] <Kamion> and my data files were powerpc
[09:17] <Kamion> (so different endianness on top of that)
[09:26] <jbailey> Kamion: Ah.  I haven't looked at rootskel much before, does it fiddle with glibc's data files directly
[09:27] <Kamion> lamont: please requeue debian-installer; now that rootskel's been built successfully on breezy, it should build fine
[09:27] <Kamion> jbailey: it uses localedef, and the locale format's changed
[09:27] <mako> jbailey: hey dude, there were a bunch of people wanting to be added to the marketplace that i didn't see answered.. you still gonna get to those?
[09:28] <jbailey> mako: I was chewing through them yesterday.
[09:28] <jbailey> mako: I'm about half done.
[09:28] <mako> jbailey: cool
[09:28] <mako> jbailey: are you replying to them as you do it?
[09:28] <jbailey> mako: I'm batching the replies, I'm not home, and I don't currently have outbound SMTP access except through a series of ssh hops.
[09:28] <thom> elmo: presumably, when katie says installing to main on a hoary-security upload it doesn't actually mean it
[09:28] <jbailey> mako: So they'll all go out in one bunch today.
[09:28] <mako> i just barely got caught up with role mail yesterday :)
[09:29] <mako> and not including large order confirmation
[09:29] <mako> which is another (very depressing) story
[09:41] <mdz> thom: does firefox build with the current breezy toolchain?
[09:46] <thom> mdz: yes; need to work out what the freeky ftbfs is
[10:00] <elmo> thom: yes
[10:00] <thom> elmo: the mail message is mildly terrifying
[10:04] <lamont> Kamion: done
[10:08] <doko> mdz: please can we move gnat-4.0 to main? gcc-4.0 uses it as a build dependency
[10:08] <mdz> doko: ok
[10:12] <jnc> jbailey: the udev perms bug affects /dev/usb/lp0 perms btw
[10:12] <jnc> jbailey: that's more FYI in case you hadn't known about it, i'm sure you're on top of things
[10:12] <jbailey> jnc: I've just uploaded the fix for it.
[10:13] <jbailey> jnc: Thanks for the heads-up, though. =)
[10:13] <jnc> jbailey: hooray :)
[10:13] <Nafallo> jbailey: does that mean my usbkey will be mounted if I upgrade? or are we talking about another bug? :-)
[10:14] <jbailey> Nafallo: No, the is very narrowly the group permssion applied to the device files for a usb printer created by udev.
[10:14] <jbailey> #10004 if you want to play along. =)
[10:14] <jnc> oh wow, i thought it was more broad than just usb printers
[10:14] <tritium> Was spam filtering discussed at UdU?
[10:15] <thom> yes
[10:15] <jbailey> jnc: There may be other problems.  There used to be a file that would go through after and clean up permissions.
[10:15] <jnc> jbailey: gotcha
[10:15] <jbailey> jnc: That file isn't used anymore and a different one was created.  In this case, the rule for printers assumed a subsystem of printers.
[10:15] <tritium> thom, could you point me to any info please?
[10:16] <jnc> cups isn't too happy with "usb://HP/LaserJet%201012"  instead it likes "usb:/dev/usb/lp0" and had permission denied;  that's what tipped me off to it
[10:16] <jbailey> jnc: The nice part is now that I understand the new way, fixing any others that come up will be easy.
[10:16] <thom> tritium: there's a small amount of discussion on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/MailRoadmap
[10:16] <jnc> jbailey: that sounds useful
[10:16] <jnc> jbailey: i mean, that the way they're doing it makes sense
[10:16] <tritium> thom, thank you
[10:17] <jbailey> tritium: The deal was basically that spam evolves too fast, and until we're prepared to do updates through the lifecycle of a release, there's very little we can usefully do.
[10:18] <jbailey> tritium: With a side note that spam filtering should happen at smtp receive time, ideally, so that RBLs and whatnot can be applied.
[10:18] <jnc> ah
[10:18] <tritium> jbailey, ah, thanks.  Good info...
[10:18] <Nafallo> jbailey: aha, oki :-).
[10:18] <jbailey> jnc: Yeah, it's a better separation of permissions from pathnames, but there'll be a bit of work for them to do I think to catch all these cases.
[10:19] <jnc> jbailey: if i run into any more i'll know how to address it and bring to your attention
[10:19] <jbailey> jnc: Thanks.  bugzilla is best, I don't know if it assigns udev stuff to me by default or not.
[10:27] <doko> mdz, Kamion: where should gnat-4.0 be added? it's a build dependency, which should not be listed, but it FTBFS currently, because it's still in universe. So add it temporarily to some seed (supported?), and then remove it again?
[10:34] <dholbach> byeeeeee
[10:35] <Nafallo> dholbach: see ya :-)
[10:53] <jnc> uhh
[10:53] <jnc> where'd mithander go?
[11:08] <mdz> doko: it doesn't need to be added anywhere
[11:08] <mdz> doko: elmo just needs to move it in the archive
[11:25] <mako> has anyone here heard of the "global desktop project"?
[11:27] <zyga> mako: what is it?
[11:27] <mako> zyga: that's my question
[11:27] <zyga> (don't ask me to google, please)
[11:27] <zyga> ah :-)
[11:27] <mako> googling isn't really helping
[11:27] <mako> someone asked me if i know of it
[11:28] <mako> i don't and google apparently doesn't either. but i wanted to check here first
[11:28] <zyga> sounds like M$ global controll project ;-)
[11:30] <zyga> switch to desktop at 53.251.24.18 and open 'finance' folder ;-)
[11:59] <srbaker> yo
[11:59] <srbaker> i just installed a new monitor,  program can i run to have it probed again?
[11:59] <srbaker> the old one was probed perfectly when i installed