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mert38selam millett12:29
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tsengseb is my hero12:34
Burgundaviaoh?12:35
tsengyes12:35
tsenghe fixed gnomedb12:35
Burgundaviawhy?12:35
Burgundaviaah12:35
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whiprushtseng: you put your pictures up anywhere?01:17
tsengtseng.ath.cx/photos01:19
whiprushta01:19
whiprushI misplaced my cable so I'm ripping you off. :)01:20
tsenghuh?01:20
whiprushcable to my camera01:20
whiprushcan't find it01:20
tsengi see01:20
tsenglamont: sorry, any chance of kicking gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.3-1ubuntu1 for gnomedb love01:23
whiprushman, you got some great shots01:23
tsengsure did01:24
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=1401:24
tsengim a fan of that01:24
whiprushyeah, thanks for making me 2x as huge as I already am.01:24
whiprushFEE FI FO FUM ...01:24
lamontFEE FIE FOE FEE FIE FEE FOE01:25
tsenghah01:25
tsengi wish this one of lamont turned out better01:25
tsengwith his homeland security approved pliers01:26
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=19&exif_style=&show_thumbs=01:26
lamonttseng: from the comedy club last night....  that's Mike Tyson telling someone his phone mumber01:26
lamontwith apologies to our non-english speaking audience01:26
tsenghah!01:26
whiprushany other galleries?01:26
lamonttseng: I just gave back everything in universe that had 'libgda2-3' or 'libgnomedb' in it's log.01:27
lamontwhich included gtk-sharp01:27
tsenglamont: oh rock on.01:30
tsengstill 2 steps ahead01:30
tsengwhiprush: ive seen a few01:30
tsengum01:30
tsengjane and dilinger had some01:30
tsengogra01:30
whiprushk01:31
lamonthrm.. guess I should go get my camera and download my pics, eh?01:31
whiprushI'll have a weeklong blogathon with them then01:31
lamonttseng: sigh... is mono bootstrappable on amd64 yet?01:32
tsenglamont: i know what part i missed merging now, should build properly with this upload01:33
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lamonttseng: doesn't require any bootstrapping love from me?  way cool!01:33
tsenglamont: nope, just me doing nasty things to make cli-common build01:34
tsengwhich is hopefully a one-time deal01:34
ajmitch_we hope01:35
ajmitch_it's such a small, insignificant change with that cli-common stuff01:35
tsenggar i feel like im back at udu01:35
ajmitch_just enough to be annoying01:35
ajmitch_network is that crap?01:35
tsengdhclient every 2 minutes01:36
ajmitch_ah01:36
tsengdid you see the muine made the tray icon a plugin?01:40
tsengim not sure if i want to install it in the package01:40
ajmitch_if muine has an alarm plugin, I'll switch01:41
tsengit does01:41
tseng2, actually01:41
ajmitch_excellent01:41
ajmitch_that's the main reason I use xmms still01:41
tsengoh man01:41
tsengwelcome to 199801:41
ajmitch_xmms is great, it Just Works almost 50% of the time01:42
tsenggtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED01:42
tsengthere we go01:42
ajmitch_rock on01:43
tsengand 2 is already up01:43
tsengum01:43
tsengso gecko and gtksourceview01:43
tsengdbust01:43
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Nafallohi all! anyone else suffering from insomnia? ;-)01:45
ajmitch_no, it's lunchtime here01:45
Nafalloajmitch_: where is here? .au? :-)01:49
Nafalloahh, .nz01:53
Nafallodholbach: are you busy atm?02:04
Nafallodholbach: anyway, my bug against gparted was a user-to-fast-to-read-bug. please read my comment and do what you think will suffice :-).02:21
Unfrgive1dholbach: ill have a look at why iptraf doesn build in breezy. it built fine in hoary.02:42
Unfrgive1dholbach: what did you think of my packaging in general? is it ok? have i made any major blunders?02:42
Unfrgive1dholbach: ive got some more gnome applets on the way02:42
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tsengwow!02:54
tsengmono 1.1.7 rocks.02:54
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ajmitch_?02:58
tsengajmitch_: io rewrite02:58
tsengajmitch_: its so f'n fast02:58
ajmitch_excellent03:00
tsengthe official claim is beagled is 300% faster03:00
tsengi believe it now03:00
ajmitch_worthwhile crack-of-the-day then03:01
tsengyes03:01
tsengnext we need to get inotify working03:02
tsenggamin cvs should be alright now03:02
ajmitch_do the patches still break everything when enabled?03:02
tsengwhenever we get a new kernel03:02
tsengno03:02
tsengactually i could turn it on now03:03
tsengonly one real bug03:03
tsenghm nevermind that, i need a newer patch03:06
tsengajmitch_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mono/1.1.6-3ubuntu6/03:08
tsengajmitch_: we have arrived.03:08
ajmitch_and it is good03:08
ajmitch_so was that 10 uploads in total?03:08
tsengsomething like that03:08
tsengim a tool03:08
ajmitch_sweet, sweet crack03:08
tsengso should i upload 1.1.703:09
tsengor another 1.1.603:09
ajmitch_1.1.703:09
tsenghell yeah03:09
ajmitch_get that speed03:09
ajmitch_I think you should hack the preinst script to put up a huge notice if any backport versions are installed03:18
tsengright..03:18
tsengill get right on that after updating this dpatch03:18
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tsengSubject: mono_1.1.7-0ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED03:52
tsengparty time03:52
ajmitch_that was nice & quick03:56
tsengonly had to fix one patch03:56
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tsengim done abusing the buildd for today04:22
tsenggood night04:22
dholbachnafallo: i won't tell publicly in what way i was busy... :-)04:32
ajmitch_night tseng04:34
dholbachnight tseng04:52
tseng:(04:52
tsengstill cant sleep04:53
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dholbachgood night05:32
ajmitch_night dholbach05:33
ajmitch_sleep well :)05:33
dholbachthanks05:33
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ivoksmorning07:00
ajmitch_hi07:01
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pjohello07:32
pjoi got problems07:32
pjoi do not know where to post my questions   so pls advise where07:33
pjoquestions on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html07:33
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ivoksgo to #ubuntu07:35
pjoivoks  thanks   i asked about there but not yet gotten any advise07:39
ivokswell, u can try here, but on this channel are motu developers, not users07:40
pjook07:40
pjoI followed what is written on the page and I got errors http://pastebin.com/28031607:41
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pjoi would appreciate if you could examine the errors, ivoke07:42
ivoksthere isn't anything to follow on that page07:42
pjoIt looks like scim is trying to open a small window for inputting Japanese but scim could not do that07:42
ivoksthis is kde07:42
ivoksi don't use and don't know anything about it07:43
pjo"follow"  i meant, i did what was written in there07:43
pjook07:43
ivokswhere?07:43
pjohttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html07:43
ivoksthere is only sh startkde.sh07:43
ivoksok, let's start from begining07:44
ivoksgo to #ubuntu, i'm over there07:44
pjocan I open channel withb you because #unbutu is very busy07:44
ivoksok07:45
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Nafallomorning all09:42
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ivoksbye all10:00
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Nafalloogra: morning :-)10:24
ograhi10:26
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\shmorning10:37
ajmitch_hi10:39
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hervemorning10:51
\sh*grmpf*10:55
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dholbachmorning10:56
Nafallodholbach: hi! saw my msg?10:56
hervemorning dholbach10:56
dholbachNafallo: yes, but i don't quite remember, what it was about *blush*10:57
dholbach*backlog*10:57
Nafallodholbach: hehe, my bug against gparted.10:57
dholbachah yes ok :-)10:57
Nafallodholbach: I looked through the source and the message was there, but I would love it to be more visible.10:58
Nafallodholbach: right now it's like <big>Do you want to convert this partition?</big>10:58
Nafallo<br />10:58
dholbachupstream is in surinam atm, but i'll see if we can't change it10:58
hervebig? baaaah ! it's a deprecated element :-)10:59
Nafallo<small>This will destroy all data!</small><br /><ok><cancel>10:59
dholbachmorning herve10:59
Nafalloherve: and <ok> and <cancel> isn't there ;-)10:59
Nafallodholbach: change it to red text and make the text bigger or something :-)11:00
Nafallodholbach: or should I take a look at it again later?11:00
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herves/should/must11:00
dholbachif you like to do it, don't stop yourself :-)11:01
herve:-)11:01
=== Nafallo thinks of changing "convert" to "destroy&create" ;-)
ograherve, <big> is fine in pango ;)11:02
\sh19:00 UTC == 21:00 german time?11:03
ograyep11:03
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Amaranthutc == gmt ?11:04
Nafallobig is also fine on irc to describe stuff ;-)11:04
Mithrandiruse date -d '2005-05-06 19:00 UTC'11:04
ogra\sh, gworldclock ;)11:04
\shdholbach: why did u assign amu on  the eric3 bug of malone? :)11:04
dholbachdate -u11:04
\shogra: well...;)11:04
Mithrandirdholbach: that's the other way around11:04
dholbachMithrandir: but he could verify :-)11:05
Nafallodamn I need faster downstream...11:05
\shi need a bigger harddrive for my laptop11:05
Nafallomy sync just finished first pass. after 6 bloody hours!!11:05
\shall the startrek seasons are not fitting :(11:05
dholbach\sh: because it's some QT crack... i just wanted to have some assignees for bugs :-)11:05
Nafallo\sh: hehe, feel the same about charmed and dead zone ;-).11:05
\shdholbach: yeah...and I'm fixing this bug, creating dpatches against pyqt and pykde :)11:06
ogra\sh, get on with your MOTUness so we can bomb you with QT bugs !11:06
\shogra: hahaha...:) I'm waiting to become CoC member first :)11:06
dholbach\sh: have fun :-)11:06
\shdholbach: it's done here locally...to test11:06
dholbachthat's how all patches start ;-)11:07
\shdholbach: and if upstream does not provide a new release on monday, I will release the patched working version11:07
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ogra\sh, how about your packagemanager thingie ? did you et in contact with mvo already ? kubuntu looks for something like that it seems11:07
Nafallo...and time at the vet in 2 hours :-/11:08
ograhow's your rabbit ? better today ?11:09
\shdholbach: upstream said that he wants to provide a new release with patches applied11:09
dholbachcool11:09
Nafalloogra: yea a little, he actually uses the bad leg when standing, but he isn't when jumping around :-/.11:11
Nafalloogra: he still tries to bit me when I get close to :-/.11:11
Nafallos/bit/bite/11:11
ograbut at least he stands again.... sounded bad yesterday....11:12
\shogra: not right now...but as i saw from a couple of postings of michael, he has also some problems with this thing11:12
\shogra: and changing the kynaptic source is a fscking hell of work11:12
\shogra: problem is, there is no documentation11:12
ogra\sh, i think they want to drop kynaptic for something better11:13
Nafalloogra: he stood on three legs yesterday. he's layed down mostly.11:13
ogra\sh, SO WRITE SOMETHING AND GET FAMOUS MAN !11:13
Nafalloright now he's sleeping...11:13
\shogra: harhar11:14
\shogra: u had a nice time down under, I had fscking stress and work here ;)11:14
\shogra: i need a life ;)11:14
ogra\sh, we had 200 BOFs in 6 days with about 40 ppl.... it was hard work....11:15
ogra10-12h schedule every day11:15
\shogra: yeah, but working in a swimmingpool is much better than doing +80h in 2 weeks overtime work11:15
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ograthat was  only possible on the first day.....11:16
ograi didnt see the pool afterwards11:16
\shogra: just joking, but in the last 3 weeks I did my normal 40hour week + add 12 hours per day ... i had  in one week 5 nightshifts without ok from guenther11:17
\shbut forced by guenther11:17
ograheh11:17
ogra\sh, there are better jobs out there11:18
\shogra: yeah...php devel in london for 37k pounds/yeah11:18
\sh-h+r11:18
ogrago on :)11:18
\shogra: too less money ;)11:18
ograbah...11:19
\shogra: have to pay income taxes in uk and social taxes in germany == the money as here :)11:19
ogranot for the first 6 months11:19
\shogra: not for the last 6 months :)11:19
\shogra: and u have to think about the prices...double the price e.g. for cigarettes...the pubs are only opened until 1111:20
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\shnono...:)11:20
\shogra: but if you have time..review my bugfix packages ;)11:21
dholbachreviewers! reviewers! reviewers! :-)11:22
herveyes?11:22
hervewho's calling me? :-)11:22
dholbachhahaha :-)11:23
Nafallolol11:23
\shactually11:23
\shdholbach...when r u visiting ogra again? tell me :) u can buy some nice "hansa tin beer" I'm need something to taste from my hometown ;)11:24
\sh-'m11:24
\shoh audio problems...br11:25
\shb11:25
dholbachhansa tin beer?11:26
hungerAny chance of getting a new qemu deb anytime soon?11:26
dholbachcan't you get that anywhere apart from blankenheim?11:27
ograisnt that the aldi brand ?11:28
hungerHmmm... debian still has the old one, too.11:28
dholbachhunger: would you like to package it? :-)11:28
\shogra: no :)11:28
hungerdholbach: Nope, I would like to use it;-)11:28
\shdholbach: hansa beer :)11:28
ograin tin cans11:28
\shbut hansa beer in tins ;)11:28
dholbachhunger: would you file a wishlist bug for it on malone?11:28
\shogra: ok :) tin cans ;) but we were naming it: "Blech Bier"11:29
hungerdholbach: I am stupid wrt. packages.11:29
dholbachhunger: that's how we all started11:29
\shogra: aldi beer == karlsberg quell ;)11:29
ograah, yes11:29
\shogra: old beer from dortmund == hansa :)11:29
hungerdholbach: Oh, believe mee, I tried... and failed horribly:-)11:29
herveI feel odd about buying beers from aldi :-)11:29
ograme too11:30
\shherve: get wife and child, and u will drink everything u get ;-)11:30
dholbachhunger: what does the new version have apart from a nicer version number?11:30
ografor the two current bottles in my fridge i flew 16000km ;)11:30
\shogra: fosters u can buy here as well ;)11:30
hungerdholbach: Full x86_64 and MMX/SSE/SSE2 emulation support for one thing.11:30
ogra2 times ;)11:31
hungerdholbach: Good to test x8611:31
ogra\sh, fosters isnt australian11:31
hunger_64 stuff on my 32 bit box.11:31
dholbach\sh: fosters doesnt exist11:31
ogra\sh, it just pretends to11:31
dholbachhunger: so would you file a wishlist bug for it?11:31
\shwhat was the name of this wannabe australien beer?11:31
hungerdholbach: I am.11:31
dholbachhunger: else it will be lost in the conversation11:31
=== hunger thinks malone is a really stupid bugtracker.
ogra\sh, thats a real ausssie beer: http://www.surf4wine.co.uk/Victoria_Bitter.html11:33
\shah..:)11:33
dholbachhunger: would you please add ideas on malone to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList ?11:34
ograeven better: http://www.australianbeers.com/beers/coopers_sparkling_ale/coopers_sparkling_ale.htm11:34
\shbut fosters has the more beautifull grid girl ;)11:34
hervehaggai, those geeks and their beer... :-)11:34
\shwell...in the moment I can't even buy normal drinks...as I saw now on my account11:40
\sh2051 are payed for this month11:40
\shand my account is empty :(11:40
\shshit11:40
ographeew11:41
ograyou had so much less then me ?11:41
\shogra: normally i get 190011:41
\sh2051 was with nightwork, on duty calls etc.11:41
\shogra: and I'm tarif worker :(11:41
ogra\sh, i was too11:41
\shogra: but the problem is: I don't have a dispo11:41
\shogra: and I won't get one11:42
ograme neither.....11:42
\shogra: so my account is now 0,0 11:42
ograclaim my job, i bet its still free11:42
\shogra: forget it11:42
ograyou'll earn a good bunch more...11:42
\shogra: ralf hilke and someone called "Kueppers" were fired last week11:42
ogranah11:42
\shogra: yes11:42
ograalex kuepper ??11:43
\shogra: and because of the desaster of the 1st April it looks like that someone from marketing will be fired, too11:43
\shogra: i don't know this guy, frank told us only "hilke and kuepper"11:43
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ograalex was one of the last sane managers...11:45
ajmitch_what's new, people?11:46
ograa mono on amd64 that actually compiles ?11:46
ajmitch_ogra: already knew about that - it compiled while we were at UDU :)11:47
ogranot on the buildd's11:47
ajmitch_it just took a couple of extra tries to get the packaging right11:47
ajmitch_yes, on the buildd's11:47
=== ajmitch_ uploaded 1.1.6_2ubuntu4 that built on amd64
ograit didnt with the last uploads... until tonight11:47
ajmitch_that's because it was rebroken, and then refixed11:48
ograah...11:48
ajmitch_in a sense11:48
ograok, so no news then....11:48
ajmitch_yes, it is news11:48
ajmitch_since the first stage of the mono bootstrap is done11:48
ajmitch_these packages should no longer have these issues11:48
=== ogra already has a running tomboy and gnome-sharp packages locally ;)
ajmitch_tseng did good work getting them there11:49
ograyep11:49
=== ajmitch_ wants to tryout tomboy & muine
ogramuine (at least from the available source package) crashes after some seconds here11:50
ajmitch_possibly an amd64 bug - does mono crash or just the app?11:50
ograjust the app11:50
hungerdholbach: OK, added all the annoyances I found with malone to that wiki page you suggested.11:51
dholbachhunger: rocking :-)11:51
herveI thought you would have opened bugs in malone :)-11:51
ajmitch_ogra, dholbach: heard that sid auto-syncs will stop for awhile real soon now11:51
ajmitch_so that the c++ transition can take place11:51
hungerherve: IIRC that is not possible.11:51
\shajmitch_: oho11:51
ograhey... muine works !11:51
ograYAY11:52
hungerdholbach: Is there a page for the other bugtracker as well? ;-)11:52
ajmitch_ogra: great :)11:52
\shajmitch_: and how they want to resolve the broken kde? right now, kde.org is blacklisting gcc411:52
ajmitch_\sh: c++ transition is going ahead anyway, afaik11:52
ogramust have been the latest update.... so it was mono that crashed ajmitch_11:52
ajmitch_ogra: last update was 1.1.6->1.1.711:53
ograyep11:53
ograexactly11:53
ajmitch_we've got a *lot* of universe packages to merge changes with - want me to put together a list?11:53
\shajmitch_: yeah true, but I don't think we will get a working g++-4.x compiled kde in the next 6 months ;)11:53
ajmitch_\sh: kde should fix their code then ;)11:53
ogra\sh, we have to11:53
ogra\sh, in less then 3 months11:53
\shajmitch_: hehe...:) sure...but read the mailings ;)11:54
\shogra: they're blocking ;) looks like :)11:54
ajmitch_\sh: g++ will be switched to 4.0 in less than a week, I think11:54
ogra\sh, so kubuntu will have to fix it11:54
\shogra: u mean jonathan and andreas can do the work of kde ? ,-)11:54
ajmitch_fedora FC4 uses g++ 4.0, so what will they do?11:54
\shajmitch_: fedora == redhat == gnome focused11:54
ogra\sh, tey already did ;)11:55
ajmitch_fedora also has some kde stuff11:55
hungerajmitch_: Redhat has a history of delivering brokenish c++ compilers.11:55
ogra\sh, and you will hopefully be motu before freeze to help them out ;)11:55
\shajmitch_: yeah...but i think they have two compilers on their distri11:55
=== hunger remembers the gcc 2.96 horrors...
\shogra: your word in gods ear ;)11:56
ajmitch_we've got more than enough work to keep us busy in the next few weeks :)11:56
\shhunger: that was 200011:56
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ajmitch_hey chmj11:57
chmjhello ajmitch_11:57
ograajmitch_, go ahead :)11:57
\shajmitch_: review my packages and upload them after reviewing ,-I)11:57
hunger\sh: Yeap, but it was still horror.11:57
\shhunger: well...at this time I was working for this company :) and I knew how pissed bero was at this time11:57
ajmitch_ogra: I'll write up this merge comparison tool tomorrow, that'll get us a list of versions for sid & breezy11:57
ogragreat11:58
hunger\sh: And they did fumble it a couple of times afterwards... not that thouroughly as back then, but they did.11:58
\shhunger: because of gcc-2.96 and stuff, bero had to go from redhat (I think it was 2001 or 2002) cause he opened his mouth and was complaining11:59
\shand I had to go because I pissed off our female marketing manager ;)12:00
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=== ajmitch_ loves the total lack of docs for python-apt :)
dholbachajmitch_: ask mvo - docs enough12:06
dholbachajmitch_: the example code is quite good, i found12:07
ajmitch_dholbach: yeah, I'll talk to him when I see him around12:07
dholbachajmitch_: he is around :-)12:07
ajmitch_he went offline about 10min ago12:08
ajmitch_ah, he reconnected :)12:08
dholbach:-)12:08
dholbachUnfrgiven: are you there?12:10
\shajmitch_: what informations do u need about python-apt?12:10
tsenghm whats this12:10
ajmitch_\sh: just talking to mvo now :)12:11
\shajmitch_: oh...let me talk with him too ;)12:11
tsengstuff doesnt seem to be copying from buildd to archive?12:11
ajmitch_so many users using breezy already...12:13
chmjajmitch_, I just removed it, its super broken12:13
tsenghiya chmj12:13
chmjhiya tseng12:14
\shajmitch_: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/12-More-from-Pynaptiq.html12:14
ajmitch_chmj: breezy is?12:14
\shneed a coffee and some nicotine12:14
ajmitch_thanks \sh12:14
chmjajmitch_, yes12:14
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\shajmitch_: if u need the source of it, i can send it to you...or i will apply for a berlios project12:33
Mithrandirtseng: if you need access to an amd64 box, tell me. :)12:34
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ograhmm, tseng muine is now running too thanks to the 1.1.7 update, but f-spot looks like its going to be a pita12:36
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dholbachsee you later12:51
ivokshi12:52
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\shok..added my bugfix packages  to motutoreview01:20
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Nafallohi all01:44
tseng|workany bets on how long before someone backports mono 1.1.7?01:44
ograhi Nafallo01:44
tseng|workhi :P01:44
ajmitch_tseng|work: < 24 hours01:45
ajmitch_they can't live without it01:45
tseng|work./universe/binary-i386/mono-mcs_1.1.6-2~5.04ubp1_all.deb01:46
tseng|workwhat the hell?01:46
ograi just tried that weird packaged beagle source pkg....01:46
ograargh01:46
tseng|workogra arch01:46
tseng|workuse jeffs01:46
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tseng|worki dont think i uploaded mine01:46
ografrom p.u.c ?01:46
NafalloStorm is fine, he got analgesic.01:46
tseng|workyes01:46
tseng|workjust uupdate it01:46
ajmitch_tseng|work: they backported 1.1.6 from experimental01:47
ograok, i'll try01:47
Nafallohe's ordered to be in the cage for one week though.01:47
tseng|workajmitch_: i know01:47
ajmitch_crackful01:47
tseng|workretarded++01:47
tseng|workat least its meebeys stuff01:47
tseng|workand not one of the other ones01:47
tseng|work#*** PyMusique supposedly needs additional packages??01:48
tseng|workdoes this guy have any idea what he's doing01:48
AmaranthWhat about PyMusique?01:48
tseng|worksomeone tried to backport it and has nfc what build-deps are I guess01:49
AmaranthPlease tell me someone isn't trying to get it into ubuntu.01:49
tseng|workoh, someone is01:49
AmaranthCan I decline? :)01:49
tseng|workuh, i can decline just based on past experience with the guy01:50
AmaranthWell, I meant as the upstream developer.01:50
tseng|worksure01:51
tseng|worki dont think this guy is even clueful enough to put it on motutodo or newpackages01:51
tseng|workso youre pretty safe01:51
AmaranthIt a little too risky for others to distribute it right now, I think.01:52
ogratseng|work, i told him to put it where it is...01:52
ajmitch_Amaranth: considered unclean at the moment?01:52
AmaranthIf 'unclean' means you might get sued, yes.01:52
tseng|workajmitch_: dude apple has a hardon for IP legislation01:52
ajmitch_heh01:52
tseng|workeven though they are legally barred from the music business01:53
AmaranthThat's a trademark thing though.01:53
tseng|work(i think they bought their way out of that, though)01:53
AmaranthWell, and a contract they signed after System 7.01:53
mjryeah, I too think that they paid Apple Records enough to do music business01:53
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Amaranthherve: On a live cd?01:54
herveyes, the last xfs filesystem I have left just exploded01:55
Amarantho_O01:55
TreenaksAmaranth: sashimi sound?01:55
ivoks?01:55
ivoksxfs works for me for years...01:55
ograherve, i have never seen a xf you couldnt fix01:56
ograxfs even01:56
AmaranthTreenaks: sosumi, the start up sound in System 701:56
AmaranthTreenaks: say it out loud :)01:56
TreenaksAmaranth: oh, not the piece of sushi ;)01:56
herveogra, tell that to my laptop with a corrupted fs just because I ran out of battery01:56
herveand this one exploded because I have no space left01:56
ograherve, look at xfsrepair01:56
ograit has options for such cases01:56
herveogra, hence the live cd :-)01:57
herveanother thing I couldn't stand01:57
hervelost files are deleted01:57
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hervenot copied to some lost+found dir for postmortem backup01:57
Amaranthit doesn't dump them in /lost+found?01:57
Amaranththat's...lame01:57
ograif there is no space left to write to.... *shrug*02:00
herveyeah... xfs_repair pieces me off...02:03
Nafallobtw, lvm2 can't resize reiser on-the-fly?02:03
NafalloI know lvm could :-P02:04
ograwho wants reiser anyway02:04
herveho don't tell me about reiser!02:04
herveit was worse :-)02:04
ograyep02:04
Nafalloehm, worksforme(tm) ;-)02:05
hervelooks like I'll install two hoary this weekend...02:06
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herveI never had problems with ext3 when I think about it02:08
Nafallohmm02:08
ograherve, http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=4502:08
NafalloI've thrown all the "must save" stuff on reiser on my server :-P02:08
ograan old odd hack to prevent you from running out of diskspace02:09
herveogra, thanks but too late :-)02:09
ografor the next time ;)02:09
herveanyway, it's abnormal a system explodes when ran out of disk space02:10
hervegnome wouldn't crash and disappear step by step with ext302:10
ograits normal for a system, but not for a filesystem...02:10
ogratrue...02:10
herveI already seen my linux giving me more space than available02:10
herveI cleaned a bit a everything was fine02:11
Treenaksherve: sparse files?02:11
herveTreenaks, I don't remember, it was years ago02:12
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\shgrmpf02:26
ajmitch_great, I've just got to get the version comparison done & I can get a wiki page out of this ;)02:40
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\shajmitch_: python-apt?02:47
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dholbachhunger: the malone guys will be grateful for your ideas02:59
hungerdholbach: Are you sure?03:00
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hungerdholbach: I'd be pissed if some stupid "Besserwisser" would whine about my app;-)03:00
dholbachhunger: yes... they really need to sort out some things before it goes live for main03:01
dholbachwe'll have a meeting as soon as i contacted them03:01
thomhunger: 15 is pointless, the whole point of malone is so everyone can use it03:02
\shhmmm...when is the next council meeting?03:02
hungerthom: Is it? I have to report in either the bugzilla or malone.03:03
thomhunger: 14:01 < dholbach> hunger: yes... they really need to sort out some things before it goes live for main03:03
hungerthom: With debian I just did "reportbug package"... with ubuntu I have to keep track of trackers;-)03:04
dholbach\sh: next week, can't quite remember if it was tuesday or thursday03:04
ograhunger, see the udu wiki03:04
hungerthom: Right. I didn't know that when I wrote it this morning.03:04
ograhunger, there was a BOF in udu about that03:05
hungerogra: What is udu?03:05
\shUbuntu Down Under03:05
dholbachubuntu down under03:05
ograubuntu down under03:05
dholbachthe conference03:05
\shhehe03:05
Nafalloecho!03:05
Nafallo:-P03:05
\shogra: i talked to mvo :)03:06
ogragreat03:06
=== hunger finds the ubuntu web-sites really confusing!
\shogra: i have now his working repos of python-apt and can work on it :)03:06
dholbachhunger: they unfortunately are03:06
ogra\sh, even greater03:06
ivoksjesus...03:06
hungerSo how is a user supposed to know that he has to check udu wiki (wherever that is)?03:06
\shhunger: one word, one action: ask :)03:07
Nafalloudu.wiki.ubuntu.com if I remember correctly03:07
ograhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage03:07
hunger\sh: Well, my parents i.e. would never ask... they would just whine till I replaced ubuntu with something else.03:08
\shand listen to the channel carefully, make the names of the cracks red blinking and read the backlogs :) information gathering ;)03:08
\shhunger: oh well, yes, I don't have parents, it's an advantage :)03:08
thomhunger: a user doesn't; the point is *you* are not a typical user, we expect you to be able to gather information correctly by dint of being in the irc channels that you are03:08
dholbachbut we should have more visibility of our plans03:09
hunger\sh: That is reasonable for a developer centric distribution... but that is not really the focus of ubuntu, is it?03:09
dholbachso i sort of agree with hunger, although it's no easy task03:09
\shhunger: I don't think the typical user should read dev related stuff....he wants something else.and this is on wiki.ubuntu.com03:09
dholbach*throwing another buzzword in* TheFridge will solve all of our problems ;-)03:10
hungerthom: Well, actually I am in the IRC channels to find out the stuff I couldn't find on the websites:-)03:10
ograyeah, the fridge03:11
thomdholbach: *giggle*03:11
dholbachi mean: what's left, when we have launchpad and thefridge?03:11
=== hunger acusses everybody of being obstrusive! ;-)
\shhunger: well...there r many ways to get the information u want...1. MLs 2. google 3. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?expr=UdU&submit=Search 4. IRC :)03:12
thomTWD03:12
thomwe already have TRLS, MPBS should be here soon...03:13
hunger\sh: 3 does not really work well...03:13
dholbachnot to forget HCT03:13
\shhunger: of course :)03:13
\shhunger: the 3 link in the resultlist is UbuntuDownUnder ;)03:13
\shand in this wiki article, there is a link to udu.wiki...03:14
\shoh I forgot planet.ubuntu.com03:14
hunger\sh: You must have a different search than I do then!03:14
\shhunger: "Wiki Search"03:15
\shhunger: not "search"03:15
hunger\sh: AAAAHHHHHH!03:15
\shhunger: and most of the time, our channel bot is working quite well ;)03:16
\sh!ogra ubuntu binary drivers03:16
dholbachUsing fallback bot: "You're probably looking for: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats"03:17
hunger\sh: Who would have thought that there are several different searches on the ubuntu wiki? And that you have the more obscure one:-)03:17
\shhehe03:17
\shhunger: well...wiki == wiki search...but anyways...I'm used to it :)03:18
hunger\sh: Thanks for that tip!03:18
\shdholbach: ;)03:18
hervefridges? have I been absent for that long!03:19
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\shdevels brain is not working like normal ones...most of the time we have to think different...to have a good communication between e.g. dev and sales or dev and marketing ;)03:20
\shherve: u didn't here about TheFridge?03:20
\sh-here+hear03:20
dholbachbbl03:21
\shbrb03:22
herve\sh, no, please light my candle :-)03:25
thomherve: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge03:26
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hervethom, thanks03:29
tseng|workhm im not sure how much we want to spread that around03:48
tseng|workalot of people at the bof had doubts03:49
\shtseng: why?03:56
\shthe idea behind it is quite good...but the problem is more: who is operating it, who will write the content etc.03:57
ogratseng|work, beagle 0.0.7 didnt work....segfaults on Util.dll, 0.0.9 compiles, but the daemon crashes from time to time03:58
\shwe wanted to this for redhat, a user concentrated portal, but it never saw the light of the world, cause nobody wanted to take care about it03:58
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\shoh sh*t...I'm getting old...forgot some words in the sentence03:59
tseng|workogra did you install all the deps04:01
ograyep04:01
tseng|worklibevolution-cil libgmime-cil libgsf-cil04:01
tseng|workhrm04:02
ograyep04:02
tseng|workwhats it crash on04:02
tseng|workyou can do beagle --fg --debug04:02
tseng|workbeagled rather04:02
ograyep, wait, just got it running via best now...04:02
\shsmoke04:02
ograheh, i cant stop the running beagled04:03
Mithrandirbeagle on the run!04:04
Mithrandir:)04:04
ograyeah04:04
ograhmm, cant stop the daemon, but it semms to run stable now... weird04:04
tseng|workwell04:04
tseng|workmono apps dont show up as "beagled"04:05
ograheh04:05
tseng|workits mono04:05
tseng|workgotta kill the pid04:05
ograthere is a wrapper script04:05
hervekillall? rampage? slaughter?04:05
tseng|workkillall++04:06
ograhmm, but it runns just fine ....04:06
tseng|workk04:06
ogradont like to be this nasty to it04:06
tseng|workgood04:06
tseng|workwe like running beagles04:06
ograyeah04:06
ograargl04:07
ograthe script writes the pid in /var/run....04:07
tseng|workoh nice04:07
ograthere was a crash before, now the pid doesnt match...04:07
ograok, killed and restarted... lets see04:08
tseng|workdid you get 1.1.7?04:09
tseng|workthis morning it didnt seem like Packages.gz was getting updated04:09
ogragot it this morning04:09
tseng|workawesome04:09
tseng|workits so much faster04:09
ograouch... best froze this time04:10
ograhm, works fie if i start beagled through best04:11
ograhmm, how long is this supposed to index ? it seems its still indexing...04:12
ograi can see more results after every other search04:13
tseng|workit indexes for a long long time04:13
tseng|workit does your whole ~04:13
tseng|workbut it throttles04:13
ograhmmkay...04:14
tseng|workso if you go idle or turn on a screensaver it is more aggressive04:14
tseng|workif you are using it it doesnt thrash your disk/cpu04:14
ograi'm playing with beagled since some hours04:14
ograso i'd expect it to end once :)04:15
tseng|workive never seen it doing nothing04:15
tseng|workits always finding new mail or something04:15
tseng|workshrug04:15
ograyep, looks like04:15
ograi'll just eave it alone and wait a while04:16
tseng|workand blogs04:16
tseng|workit reads all my feeds from blam04:16
ograah, blam...04:16
ogradidnt try it yet04:16
tseng|workis any of that stuff installable from the archive yet?04:17
ograonly f-spot.... but thats not even trying to compile...braks very early04:17
ograthere are source pkg's04:17
tseng|worki guess gtk-sharp didnt build on amd yet04:17
ograi built it locally04:17
tseng|workhttps://www.jahc.net/work/discuss/index.cgi04:17
tseng|workim not sure what happened there04:17
tseng|workmaybe the log just got lost again04:18
ograit asks for user/pw04:18
tseng|workerm sorry04:18
tseng|workthats my cgi-irc script04:19
tseng|workmeant to be the buildLog dir04:19
tseng|workwith missing amd64 log04:19
ograoh04:19
tseng|workfirefox puts that stupid url in every tab04:19
\shso...ppls....going home now...cu later04:41
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Nafallohmm04:48
Nafallodo people see italic test better than plain normal? :-)04:48
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GheRiverores05:21
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kokehey, does anyone know why sqlobject was not transitioned??06:18
kokehttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sqlobject/06:18
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kokehey, I have my first package for breezy :)06:41
dholbachROCK! :-)06:41
kokesqlobject was not pytransitioned :(06:42
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bddebianHi06:43
kokeI still need an uploader :)06:43
kokehttp://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/06:43
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=== koke upgradin pbuilder to breezy :D
Nafallohehe06:47
Nafallohmm06:53
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Nafalloimagine pbuilder food recipe06:53
Nafallo:-)06:53
bddebianOh no, I think there needs to be an emacs-pbuilder06:54
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abellibuona sera07:15
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zuljeu07:54
zuldoh..hey07:55
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zuli type too fast sometimes07:56
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Nafalloyay! I must have parse error :-P07:57
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tseng|workhi08:19
ivokshi08:19
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tseng|workhm so the mono stuff in breezy is actually further along that i thought09:40
tseng|worki can install most of the apps09:40
tseng|workand run09:41
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hervesee you all10:14
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dholbachbyeeeeeeee10:34
tritiumbye dholbach :)10:35
tsenghi10:35
Nafallotseng: hi :-)10:35
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