[12:29] <mert38> selam millett
[12:34] <tseng> seb is my hero
[12:35] <Burgundavia> oh?
[12:35] <tseng> yes
[12:35] <tseng> he fixed gnomedb
[12:35] <Burgundavia> why?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> ah
[01:17] <whiprush> tseng: you put your pictures up anywhere?
[01:19] <tseng> tseng.ath.cx/photos
[01:19] <whiprush> ta
[01:20] <whiprush> I misplaced my cable so I'm ripping you off. :)
[01:20] <tseng> huh?
[01:20] <whiprush> cable to my camera
[01:20] <whiprush> can't find it
[01:20] <tseng> i see
[01:23] <tseng> lamont: sorry, any chance of kicking gtk-sharp2-unstable_1.9.3-1ubuntu1 for gnomedb love
[01:23] <whiprush> man, you got some great shots
[01:24] <tseng> sure did
[01:24] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=14
[01:24] <tseng> im a fan of that
[01:24] <whiprush> yeah, thanks for making me 2x as huge as I already am.
[01:24] <whiprush> FEE FI FO FUM ...
[01:25] <lamont> FEE FIE FOE FEE FIE FEE FOE
[01:25] <tseng> hah
[01:25] <tseng> i wish this one of lamont turned out better
[01:26] <tseng> with his homeland security approved pliers
[01:26] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=19&exif_style=&show_thumbs=
[01:26] <lamont> tseng: from the comedy club last night....  that's Mike Tyson telling someone his phone mumber
[01:26] <lamont> with apologies to our non-english speaking audience
[01:26] <tseng> hah!
[01:26] <whiprush> any other galleries?
[01:27] <lamont> tseng: I just gave back everything in universe that had 'libgda2-3' or 'libgnomedb' in it's log.
[01:27] <lamont> which included gtk-sharp
[01:30] <tseng> lamont: oh rock on.
[01:30] <tseng> still 2 steps ahead
[01:30] <tseng> whiprush: ive seen a few
[01:30] <tseng> um
[01:30] <tseng> jane and dilinger had some
[01:30] <tseng> ogra
[01:31] <whiprush> k
[01:31] <lamont> hrm.. guess I should go get my camera and download my pics, eh?
[01:31] <whiprush> I'll have a weeklong blogathon with them then
[01:32] <lamont> tseng: sigh... is mono bootstrappable on amd64 yet?
[01:33] <tseng> lamont: i know what part i missed merging now, should build properly with this upload
[01:33] <lamont> tseng: doesn't require any bootstrapping love from me?  way cool!
[01:34] <tseng> lamont: nope, just me doing nasty things to make cli-common build
[01:34] <tseng> which is hopefully a one-time deal
[01:35] <ajmitch_> we hope
[01:35] <ajmitch_> it's such a small, insignificant change with that cli-common stuff
[01:35] <tseng> gar i feel like im back at udu
[01:35] <ajmitch_> just enough to be annoying
[01:35] <ajmitch_> network is that crap?
[01:36] <tseng> dhclient every 2 minutes
[01:36] <ajmitch_> ah
[01:40] <tseng> did you see the muine made the tray icon a plugin?
[01:40] <tseng> im not sure if i want to install it in the package
[01:41] <ajmitch_> if muine has an alarm plugin, I'll switch
[01:41] <tseng> it does
[01:41] <tseng> 2, actually
[01:41] <ajmitch_> excellent
[01:41] <ajmitch_> that's the main reason I use xmms still
[01:41] <tseng> oh man
[01:41] <tseng> welcome to 1998
[01:42] <ajmitch_> xmms is great, it Just Works almost 50% of the time
[01:42] <tseng> gtk-sharp_1.0.8-1ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[01:42] <tseng> there we go
[01:43] <ajmitch_> rock on
[01:43] <tseng> and 2 is already up
[01:43] <tseng> um
[01:43] <tseng> so gecko and gtksourceview
[01:43] <tseng> dbust
[01:45] <Nafallo> hi all! anyone else suffering from insomnia? ;-)
[01:45] <ajmitch_> no, it's lunchtime here
[01:49] <Nafallo> ajmitch_: where is here? .au? :-)
[01:53] <Nafallo> ahh, .nz
[02:04] <Nafallo> dholbach: are you busy atm?
[02:21] <Nafallo> dholbach: anyway, my bug against gparted was a user-to-fast-to-read-bug. please read my comment and do what you think will suffice :-).
[02:42] <Unfrgive1> dholbach: ill have a look at why iptraf doesn build in breezy. it built fine in hoary.
[02:42] <Unfrgive1> dholbach: what did you think of my packaging in general? is it ok? have i made any major blunders?
[02:42] <Unfrgive1> dholbach: ive got some more gnome applets on the way
[02:54] <tseng> wow!
[02:54] <tseng> mono 1.1.7 rocks.
[02:58] <ajmitch_> ?
[02:58] <tseng> ajmitch_: io rewrite
[02:58] <tseng> ajmitch_: its so f'n fast
[03:00] <ajmitch_> excellent
[03:00] <tseng> the official claim is beagled is 300% faster
[03:00] <tseng> i believe it now
[03:01] <ajmitch_> worthwhile crack-of-the-day then
[03:01] <tseng> yes
[03:02] <tseng> next we need to get inotify working
[03:02] <tseng> gamin cvs should be alright now
[03:02] <ajmitch_> do the patches still break everything when enabled?
[03:02] <tseng> whenever we get a new kernel
[03:02] <tseng> no
[03:03] <tseng> actually i could turn it on now
[03:03] <tseng> only one real bug
[03:06] <tseng> hm nevermind that, i need a newer patch
[03:08] <tseng> ajmitch_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/m/mono/1.1.6-3ubuntu6/
[03:08] <tseng> ajmitch_: we have arrived.
[03:08] <ajmitch_> and it is good
[03:08] <ajmitch_> so was that 10 uploads in total?
[03:08] <tseng> something like that
[03:08] <tseng> im a tool
[03:08] <ajmitch_> sweet, sweet crack
[03:09] <tseng> so should i upload 1.1.7
[03:09] <tseng> or another 1.1.6
[03:09] <ajmitch_> 1.1.7
[03:09] <tseng> hell yeah
[03:09] <ajmitch_> get that speed
[03:18] <ajmitch_> I think you should hack the preinst script to put up a huge notice if any backport versions are installed
[03:18] <tseng> right..
[03:18] <tseng> ill get right on that after updating this dpatch
[03:52] <tseng> Subject: mono_1.1.7-0ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[03:52] <tseng> party time
[03:56] <ajmitch_> that was nice & quick
[03:56] <tseng> only had to fix one patch
[04:22] <tseng> im done abusing the buildd for today
[04:22] <tseng> good night
[04:32] <dholbach> nafallo: i won't tell publicly in what way i was busy... :-)
[04:34] <ajmitch_> night tseng
[04:52] <dholbach> night tseng
[04:52] <tseng> :(
[04:53] <tseng> still cant sleep
[05:32] <dholbach> good night
[05:33] <ajmitch_> night dholbach
[05:33] <ajmitch_> sleep well :)
[05:33] <dholbach> thanks
[07:00] <ivoks> morning
[07:01] <ajmitch_> hi
[07:32] <pjo> hello
[07:32] <pjo> i got problems
[07:33] <pjo> i do not know where to post my questions   so pls advise where
[07:33] <pjo> questions on http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html
[07:35] <ivoks> go to #ubuntu
[07:39] <pjo> ivoks  thanks   i asked about there but not yet gotten any advise
[07:40] <ivoks> well, u can try here, but on this channel are motu developers, not users
[07:40] <pjo> ok
[07:41] <pjo> I followed what is written on the page and I got errors http://pastebin.com/280316
[07:42] <pjo> i would appreciate if you could examine the errors, ivoke
[07:42] <ivoks> there isn't anything to follow on that page
[07:42] <pjo> It looks like scim is trying to open a small window for inputting Japanese but scim could not do that
[07:42] <ivoks> this is kde
[07:43] <ivoks> i don't use and don't know anything about it
[07:43] <pjo> "follow"  i meant, i did what was written in there
[07:43] <pjo> ok
[07:43] <ivoks> where?
[07:43] <pjo> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27811.html
[07:43] <ivoks> there is only sh startkde.sh
[07:44] <ivoks> ok, let's start from begining
[07:44] <ivoks> go to #ubuntu, i'm over there
[07:44] <pjo> can I open channel withb you because #unbutu is very busy
[07:45] <ivoks> ok
[09:42] <Nafallo> morning all
[10:00] <ivoks> bye all
[10:24] <Nafallo> ogra: morning :-)
[10:26] <ogra> hi
[10:37] <\sh> morning
[10:39] <ajmitch_> hi
[10:51] <herve> morning
[10:55] <\sh> *grmpf*
[10:56] <dholbach> morning
[10:56] <Nafallo> dholbach: hi! saw my msg?
[10:56] <herve> morning dholbach
[10:57] <dholbach> Nafallo: yes, but i don't quite remember, what it was about *blush*
[10:57] <dholbach> *backlog*
[10:57] <Nafallo> dholbach: hehe, my bug against gparted.
[10:57] <dholbach> ah yes ok :-)
[10:58] <Nafallo> dholbach: I looked through the source and the message was there, but I would love it to be more visible.
[10:58] <Nafallo> dholbach: right now it's like <big>Do you want to convert this partition?</big>
[10:58] <Nafallo> <br />
[10:58] <dholbach> upstream is in surinam atm, but i'll see if we can't change it
[10:59] <herve> big? baaaah ! it's a deprecated element :-)
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[10:59] <dholbach> morning herve
[10:59] <Nafallo> herve: and <ok> and <cancel> isn't there ;-)
[11:00] <Nafallo> dholbach: change it to red text and make the text bigger or something :-)
[11:00] <Nafallo> dholbach: or should I take a look at it again later?
[11:00] <herve> s/should/must
[11:01] <dholbach> if you like to do it, don't stop yourself :-)
[11:01] <herve> :-)
[11:02] <ogra> herve, <big> is fine in pango ;)
[11:03] <\sh> 19:00 UTC == 21:00 german time?
[11:03] <ogra> yep
[11:04] <Amaranth> utc == gmt ?
[11:04] <Nafallo> big is also fine on irc to describe stuff ;-)
[11:04] <Mithrandir> use date -d '2005-05-06 19:00 UTC'
[11:04] <ogra> \sh, gworldclock ;)
[11:04] <\sh> dholbach: why did u assign amu on  the eric3 bug of malone? :)
[11:04] <dholbach> date -u
[11:04] <\sh> ogra: well...;)
[11:04] <Mithrandir> dholbach: that's the other way around
[11:05] <dholbach> Mithrandir: but he could verify :-)
[11:05] <Nafallo> damn I need faster downstream...
[11:05] <\sh> i need a bigger harddrive for my laptop
[11:05] <Nafallo> my sync just finished first pass. after 6 bloody hours!!
[11:05] <\sh> all the startrek seasons are not fitting :(
[11:05] <dholbach> \sh: because it's some QT crack... i just wanted to have some assignees for bugs :-)
[11:05] <Nafallo> \sh: hehe, feel the same about charmed and dead zone ;-).
[11:06] <\sh> dholbach: yeah...and I'm fixing this bug, creating dpatches against pyqt and pykde :)
[11:06] <ogra> \sh, get on with your MOTUness so we can bomb you with QT bugs !
[11:06] <\sh> ogra: hahaha...:) I'm waiting to become CoC member first :)
[11:06] <dholbach> \sh: have fun :-)
[11:06] <\sh> dholbach: it's done here locally...to test
[11:07] <dholbach> that's how all patches start ;-)
[11:07] <\sh> dholbach: and if upstream does not provide a new release on monday, I will release the patched working version
[11:07] <ogra> \sh, how about your packagemanager thingie ? did you et in contact with mvo already ? kubuntu looks for something like that it seems
[11:08] <Nafallo> ...and time at the vet in 2 hours :-/
[11:09] <ogra> how's your rabbit ? better today ?
[11:09] <\sh> dholbach: upstream said that he wants to provide a new release with patches applied
[11:09] <dholbach> cool
[11:11] <Nafallo> ogra: yea a little, he actually uses the bad leg when standing, but he isn't when jumping around :-/.
[11:11] <Nafallo> ogra: he still tries to bit me when I get close to :-/.
[11:11] <Nafallo> s/bit/bite/
[11:12] <ogra> but at least he stands again.... sounded bad yesterday....
[11:12] <\sh> ogra: not right now...but as i saw from a couple of postings of michael, he has also some problems with this thing
[11:12] <\sh> ogra: and changing the kynaptic source is a fscking hell of work
[11:12] <\sh> ogra: problem is, there is no documentation
[11:13] <ogra> \sh, i think they want to drop kynaptic for something better
[11:13] <Nafallo> ogra: he stood on three legs yesterday. he's layed down mostly.
[11:13] <ogra> \sh, SO WRITE SOMETHING AND GET FAMOUS MAN !
[11:13] <Nafallo> right now he's sleeping...
[11:14] <\sh> ogra: harhar
[11:14] <\sh> ogra: u had a nice time down under, I had fscking stress and work here ;)
[11:14] <\sh> ogra: i need a life ;)
[11:15] <ogra> \sh, we had 200 BOFs in 6 days with about 40 ppl.... it was hard work....
[11:15] <ogra> 10-12h schedule every day
[11:15] <\sh> ogra: yeah, but working in a swimmingpool is much better than doing +80h in 2 weeks overtime work
[11:16] <ogra> that was  only possible on the first day.....
[11:16] <ogra> i didnt see the pool afterwards
[11:17] <\sh> ogra: just joking, but in the last 3 weeks I did my normal 40hour week + add 12 hours per day ... i had  in one week 5 nightshifts without ok from guenther
[11:17] <\sh> but forced by guenther
[11:17] <ogra> heh
[11:18] <ogra> \sh, there are better jobs out there
[11:18] <\sh> ogra: yeah...php devel in london for 37k pounds/yeah
[11:18] <\sh> -h+r
[11:18] <ogra> go on :)
[11:18] <\sh> ogra: too less money ;)
[11:19] <ogra> bah...
[11:19] <\sh> ogra: have to pay income taxes in uk and social taxes in germany == the money as here :)
[11:19] <ogra> not for the first 6 months
[11:19] <\sh> ogra: not for the last 6 months :)
[11:20] <\sh> ogra: and u have to think about the prices...double the price e.g. for cigarettes...the pubs are only opened until 11
[11:20] <\sh> nono...:)
[11:21] <\sh> ogra: but if you have time..review my bugfix packages ;)
[11:22] <dholbach> reviewers! reviewers! reviewers! :-)
[11:22] <herve> yes?
[11:22] <herve> who's calling me? :-)
[11:23] <dholbach> hahaha :-)
[11:23] <Nafallo> lol
[11:23] <\sh> actually
[11:24] <\sh> dholbach...when r u visiting ogra again? tell me :) u can buy some nice "hansa tin beer" I'm need something to taste from my hometown ;)
[11:24] <\sh> -'m
[11:25] <\sh> oh audio problems...br
[11:25] <\sh> b
[11:26] <dholbach> hansa tin beer?
[11:26] <hunger> Any chance of getting a new qemu deb anytime soon?
[11:27] <dholbach> can't you get that anywhere apart from blankenheim?
[11:28] <ogra> isnt that the aldi brand ?
[11:28] <hunger> Hmmm... debian still has the old one, too.
[11:28] <dholbach> hunger: would you like to package it? :-)
[11:28] <\sh> ogra: no :)
[11:28] <hunger> dholbach: Nope, I would like to use it;-)
[11:28] <\sh> dholbach: hansa beer :)
[11:28] <ogra> in tin cans
[11:28] <\sh> but hansa beer in tins ;)
[11:28] <dholbach> hunger: would you file a wishlist bug for it on malone?
[11:29] <\sh> ogra: ok :) tin cans ;) but we were naming it: "Blech Bier"
[11:29] <hunger> dholbach: I am stupid wrt. packages.
[11:29] <dholbach> hunger: that's how we all started
[11:29] <\sh> ogra: aldi beer == karlsberg quell ;)
[11:29] <ogra> ah, yes
[11:29] <\sh> ogra: old beer from dortmund == hansa :)
[11:29] <hunger> dholbach: Oh, believe mee, I tried... and failed horribly:-)
[11:29] <herve> I feel odd about buying beers from aldi :-)
[11:30] <ogra> me too
[11:30] <\sh> herve: get wife and child, and u will drink everything u get ;-)
[11:30] <dholbach> hunger: what does the new version have apart from a nicer version number?
[11:30] <ogra> for the two current bottles in my fridge i flew 16000km ;)
[11:30] <\sh> ogra: fosters u can buy here as well ;)
[11:30] <hunger> dholbach: Full x86_64 and MMX/SSE/SSE2 emulation support for one thing.
[11:31] <ogra> 2 times ;)
[11:31] <hunger> dholbach: Good to test x86
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, fosters isnt australian
[11:31] <hunger> _64 stuff on my 32 bit box.
[11:31] <dholbach> \sh: fosters doesnt exist
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, it just pretends to
[11:31] <dholbach> hunger: so would you file a wishlist bug for it?
[11:31] <\sh> what was the name of this wannabe australien beer?
[11:31] <hunger> dholbach: I am.
[11:31] <dholbach> hunger: else it will be lost in the conversation
[11:33] <ogra> \sh, thats a real ausssie beer: http://www.surf4wine.co.uk/Victoria_Bitter.html
[11:33] <\sh> ah..:)
[11:34] <dholbach> hunger: would you please add ideas on malone to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList ?
[11:34] <ogra> even better: http://www.australianbeers.com/beers/coopers_sparkling_ale/coopers_sparkling_ale.htm
[11:34] <\sh> but fosters has the more beautifull grid girl ;)
[11:34] <herve> haggai, those geeks and their beer... :-)
[11:40] <\sh> well...in the moment I can't even buy normal drinks...as I saw now on my account
[11:40] <\sh> 2051 are payed for this month
[11:40] <\sh> and my account is empty :(
[11:40] <\sh> shit
[11:41] <ogra> pheew
[11:41] <ogra> you had so much less then me ?
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: normally i get 1900
[11:41] <\sh> 2051 was with nightwork, on duty calls etc.
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: and I'm tarif worker :(
[11:41] <ogra> \sh, i was too
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: but the problem is: I don't have a dispo
[11:42] <\sh> ogra: and I won't get one
[11:42] <ogra> me neither.....
[11:42] <\sh> ogra: so my account is now 0,0 
[11:42] <ogra> claim my job, i bet its still free
[11:42] <\sh> ogra: forget it
[11:42] <ogra> you'll earn a good bunch more...
[11:42] <\sh> ogra: ralf hilke and someone called "Kueppers" were fired last week
[11:42] <ogra> nah
[11:42] <\sh> ogra: yes
[11:43] <ogra> alex kuepper ??
[11:43] <\sh> ogra: and because of the desaster of the 1st April it looks like that someone from marketing will be fired, too
[11:43] <\sh> ogra: i don't know this guy, frank told us only "hilke and kuepper"
[11:45] <ogra> alex was one of the last sane managers...
[11:46] <ajmitch_> what's new, people?
[11:46] <ogra> a mono on amd64 that actually compiles ?
[11:47] <ajmitch_> ogra: already knew about that - it compiled while we were at UDU :)
[11:47] <ogra> not on the buildd's
[11:47] <ajmitch_> it just took a couple of extra tries to get the packaging right
[11:47] <ajmitch_> yes, on the buildd's
[11:47] <ogra> it didnt with the last uploads... until tonight
[11:48] <ajmitch_> that's because it was rebroken, and then refixed
[11:48] <ogra> ah...
[11:48] <ajmitch_> in a sense
[11:48] <ogra> ok, so no news then....
[11:48] <ajmitch_> yes, it is news
[11:48] <ajmitch_> since the first stage of the mono bootstrap is done
[11:48] <ajmitch_> these packages should no longer have these issues
[11:49] <ajmitch_> tseng did good work getting them there
[11:49] <ogra> yep
[11:50] <ogra> muine (at least from the available source package) crashes after some seconds here
[11:50] <ajmitch_> possibly an amd64 bug - does mono crash or just the app?
[11:50] <ogra> just the app
[11:51] <hunger> dholbach: OK, added all the annoyances I found with malone to that wiki page you suggested.
[11:51] <dholbach> hunger: rocking :-)
[11:51] <herve> I thought you would have opened bugs in malone :)-
[11:51] <ajmitch_> ogra, dholbach: heard that sid auto-syncs will stop for awhile real soon now
[11:51] <ajmitch_> so that the c++ transition can take place
[11:51] <hunger> herve: IIRC that is not possible.
[11:51] <\sh> ajmitch_: oho
[11:51] <ogra> hey... muine works !
[11:52] <ogra> YAY
[11:52] <hunger> dholbach: Is there a page for the other bugtracker as well? ;-)
[11:52] <ajmitch_> ogra: great :)
[11:52] <\sh> ajmitch_: and how they want to resolve the broken kde? right now, kde.org is blacklisting gcc4
[11:52] <ajmitch_> \sh: c++ transition is going ahead anyway, afaik
[11:52] <ogra> must have been the latest update.... so it was mono that crashed ajmitch_
[11:53] <ajmitch_> ogra: last update was 1.1.6->1.1.7
[11:53] <ogra> yep
[11:53] <ogra> exactly
[11:53] <ajmitch_> we've got a *lot* of universe packages to merge changes with - want me to put together a list?
[11:53] <\sh> ajmitch_: yeah true, but I don't think we will get a working g++-4.x compiled kde in the next 6 months ;)
[11:53] <ajmitch_> \sh: kde should fix their code then ;)
[11:53] <ogra> \sh, we have to
[11:53] <ogra> \sh, in less then 3 months
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe...:) sure...but read the mailings ;)
[11:54] <\sh> ogra: they're blocking ;) looks like :)
[11:54] <ajmitch_> \sh: g++ will be switched to 4.0 in less than a week, I think
[11:54] <ogra> \sh, so kubuntu will have to fix it
[11:54] <\sh> ogra: u mean jonathan and andreas can do the work of kde ? ,-)
[11:54] <ajmitch_> fedora FC4 uses g++ 4.0, so what will they do?
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch_: fedora == redhat == gnome focused
[11:55] <ogra> \sh, tey already did ;)
[11:55] <ajmitch_> fedora also has some kde stuff
[11:55] <hunger> ajmitch_: Redhat has a history of delivering brokenish c++ compilers.
[11:55] <ogra> \sh, and you will hopefully be motu before freeze to help them out ;)
[11:55] <\sh> ajmitch_: yeah...but i think they have two compilers on their distri
[11:56] <\sh> ogra: your word in gods ear ;)
[11:56] <ajmitch_> we've got more than enough work to keep us busy in the next few weeks :)
[11:56] <\sh> hunger: that was 2000
[11:57] <ajmitch_> hey chmj
[11:57] <chmj> hello ajmitch_
[11:57] <ogra> ajmitch_, go ahead :)
[11:57] <\sh> ajmitch_: review my packages and upload them after reviewing ,-I)
[11:57] <hunger> \sh: Yeap, but it was still horror.
[11:57] <\sh> hunger: well...at this time I was working for this company :) and I knew how pissed bero was at this time
[11:57] <ajmitch_> ogra: I'll write up this merge comparison tool tomorrow, that'll get us a list of versions for sid & breezy
[11:58] <ogra> great
[11:58] <hunger> \sh: And they did fumble it a couple of times afterwards... not that thouroughly as back then, but they did.
[11:59] <\sh> hunger: because of gcc-2.96 and stuff, bero had to go from redhat (I think it was 2001 or 2002) cause he opened his mouth and was complaining
[12:00] <\sh> and I had to go because I pissed off our female marketing manager ;)
[12:06] <dholbach> ajmitch_: ask mvo - docs enough
[12:07] <dholbach> ajmitch_: the example code is quite good, i found
[12:07] <ajmitch_> dholbach: yeah, I'll talk to him when I see him around
[12:07] <dholbach> ajmitch_: he is around :-)
[12:08] <ajmitch_> he went offline about 10min ago
[12:08] <ajmitch_> ah, he reconnected :)
[12:08] <dholbach> :-)
[12:10] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: are you there?
[12:10] <\sh> ajmitch_: what informations do u need about python-apt?
[12:10] <tseng> hm whats this
[12:11] <ajmitch_> \sh: just talking to mvo now :)
[12:11] <\sh> ajmitch_: oh...let me talk with him too ;)
[12:11] <tseng> stuff doesnt seem to be copying from buildd to archive?
[12:13] <ajmitch_> so many users using breezy already...
[12:13] <chmj> ajmitch_, I just removed it, its super broken
[12:13] <tseng> hiya chmj
[12:14] <chmj> hiya tseng
[12:14] <\sh> ajmitch_: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/12-More-from-Pynaptiq.html
[12:14] <ajmitch_> chmj: breezy is?
[12:14] <\sh> need a coffee and some nicotine
[12:14] <ajmitch_> thanks \sh
[12:14] <chmj> ajmitch_, yes
[12:33] <\sh> ajmitch_: if u need the source of it, i can send it to you...or i will apply for a berlios project
[12:34] <Mithrandir> tseng: if you need access to an amd64 box, tell me. :)
[12:36] <ogra> hmm, tseng muine is now running too thanks to the 1.1.7 update, but f-spot looks like its going to be a pita
[12:51] <dholbach> see you later
[12:52] <ivoks> hi
[01:20] <\sh> ok..added my bugfix packages  to motutoreview
[01:44] <Nafallo> hi all
[01:44] <tseng|work> any bets on how long before someone backports mono 1.1.7?
[01:44] <ogra> hi Nafallo
[01:44] <tseng|work> hi :P
[01:45] <ajmitch_> tseng|work: < 24 hours
[01:45] <ajmitch_> they can't live without it
[01:46] <tseng|work> ./universe/binary-i386/mono-mcs_1.1.6-2~5.04ubp1_all.deb
[01:46] <tseng|work> what the hell?
[01:46] <ogra> i just tried that weird packaged beagle source pkg....
[01:46] <ogra> argh
[01:46] <tseng|work> ogra arch
[01:46] <tseng|work> use jeffs
[01:46] <tseng|work> i dont think i uploaded mine
[01:46] <ogra> from p.u.c ?
[01:46] <Nafallo> Storm is fine, he got analgesic.
[01:46] <tseng|work> yes
[01:46] <tseng|work> just uupdate it
[01:47] <ajmitch_> tseng|work: they backported 1.1.6 from experimental
[01:47] <ogra> ok, i'll try
[01:47] <Nafallo> he's ordered to be in the cage for one week though.
[01:47] <tseng|work> ajmitch_: i know
[01:47] <ajmitch_> crackful
[01:47] <tseng|work> retarded++
[01:47] <tseng|work> at least its meebeys stuff
[01:47] <tseng|work> and not one of the other ones
[01:48] <tseng|work> #*** PyMusique supposedly needs additional packages??
[01:48] <tseng|work> does this guy have any idea what he's doing
[01:48] <Amaranth> What about PyMusique?
[01:49] <tseng|work> someone tried to backport it and has nfc what build-deps are I guess
[01:49] <Amaranth> Please tell me someone isn't trying to get it into ubuntu.
[01:49] <tseng|work> oh, someone is
[01:49] <Amaranth> Can I decline? :)
[01:50] <tseng|work> uh, i can decline just based on past experience with the guy
[01:50] <Amaranth> Well, I meant as the upstream developer.
[01:51] <tseng|work> sure
[01:51] <tseng|work> i dont think this guy is even clueful enough to put it on motutodo or newpackages
[01:51] <tseng|work> so youre pretty safe
[01:52] <Amaranth> It a little too risky for others to distribute it right now, I think.
[01:52] <ogra> tseng|work, i told him to put it where it is...
[01:52] <ajmitch_> Amaranth: considered unclean at the moment?
[01:52] <Amaranth> If 'unclean' means you might get sued, yes.
[01:52] <tseng|work> ajmitch_: dude apple has a hardon for IP legislation
[01:52] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:53] <tseng|work> even though they are legally barred from the music business
[01:53] <Amaranth> That's a trademark thing though.
[01:53] <tseng|work> (i think they bought their way out of that, though)
[01:53] <Amaranth> Well, and a contract they signed after System 7.
[01:53] <mjr> yeah, I too think that they paid Apple Records enough to do music business
[01:54] <Amaranth> herve: On a live cd?
[01:55] <herve> yes, the last xfs filesystem I have left just exploded
[01:55] <Amaranth> o_O
[01:55] <Treenaks> Amaranth: sashimi sound?
[01:55] <ivoks> ?
[01:55] <ivoks> xfs works for me for years...
[01:56] <ogra> herve, i have never seen a xf you couldnt fix
[01:56] <ogra> xfs even
[01:56] <Amaranth> Treenaks: sosumi, the start up sound in System 7
[01:56] <Amaranth> Treenaks: say it out loud :)
[01:56] <Treenaks> Amaranth: oh, not the piece of sushi ;)
[01:56] <herve> ogra, tell that to my laptop with a corrupted fs just because I ran out of battery
[01:56] <herve> and this one exploded because I have no space left
[01:56] <ogra> herve, look at xfsrepair
[01:56] <ogra> it has options for such cases
[01:57] <herve> ogra, hence the live cd :-)
[01:57] <herve> another thing I couldn't stand
[01:57] <herve> lost files are deleted
[01:57] <herve> not copied to some lost+found dir for postmortem backup
[01:57] <Amaranth> it doesn't dump them in /lost+found?
[01:57] <Amaranth> that's...lame
[02:00] <ogra> if there is no space left to write to.... *shrug*
[02:03] <herve> yeah... xfs_repair pieces me off...
[02:03] <Nafallo> btw, lvm2 can't resize reiser on-the-fly?
[02:04] <Nafallo> I know lvm could :-P
[02:04] <ogra> who wants reiser anyway
[02:04] <herve> ho don't tell me about reiser!
[02:04] <herve> it was worse :-)
[02:04] <ogra> yep
[02:05] <Nafallo> ehm, worksforme(tm) ;-)
[02:06] <herve> looks like I'll install two hoary this weekend...
[02:08] <herve> I never had problems with ext3 when I think about it
[02:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:08] <ogra> herve, http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=45
[02:08] <Nafallo> I've thrown all the "must save" stuff on reiser on my server :-P
[02:09] <ogra> an old odd hack to prevent you from running out of diskspace
[02:09] <herve> ogra, thanks but too late :-)
[02:09] <ogra> for the next time ;)
[02:10] <herve> anyway, it's abnormal a system explodes when ran out of disk space
[02:10] <herve> gnome wouldn't crash and disappear step by step with ext3
[02:10] <ogra> its normal for a system, but not for a filesystem...
[02:10] <ogra> true...
[02:10] <herve> I already seen my linux giving me more space than available
[02:11] <herve> I cleaned a bit a everything was fine
[02:11] <Treenaks> herve: sparse files?
[02:12] <herve> Treenaks, I don't remember, it was years ago
[02:26] <\sh> grmpf
[02:40] <ajmitch_> great, I've just got to get the version comparison done & I can get a wiki page out of this ;)
[02:47] <\sh> ajmitch_: python-apt?
[02:59] <dholbach> hunger: the malone guys will be grateful for your ideas
[03:00] <hunger> dholbach: Are you sure?
[03:00] <hunger> dholbach: I'd be pissed if some stupid "Besserwisser" would whine about my app;-)
[03:01] <dholbach> hunger: yes... they really need to sort out some things before it goes live for main
[03:01] <dholbach> we'll have a meeting as soon as i contacted them
[03:02] <thom> hunger: 15 is pointless, the whole point of malone is so everyone can use it
[03:02] <\sh> hmmm...when is the next council meeting?
[03:03] <hunger> thom: Is it? I have to report in either the bugzilla or malone.
[03:03] <thom> hunger: 14:01 < dholbach> hunger: yes... they really need to sort out some things before it goes live for main
[03:04] <hunger> thom: With debian I just did "reportbug package"... with ubuntu I have to keep track of trackers;-)
[03:04] <dholbach> \sh: next week, can't quite remember if it was tuesday or thursday
[03:04] <ogra> hunger, see the udu wiki
[03:04] <hunger> thom: Right. I didn't know that when I wrote it this morning.
[03:05] <ogra> hunger, there was a BOF in udu about that
[03:05] <hunger> ogra: What is udu?
[03:05] <\sh> Ubuntu Down Under
[03:05] <dholbach> ubuntu down under
[03:05] <ogra> ubuntu down under
[03:05] <dholbach> the conference
[03:05] <\sh> hehe
[03:05] <Nafallo> echo!
[03:05] <Nafallo> :-P
[03:06] <\sh> ogra: i talked to mvo :)
[03:06] <ogra> great
[03:06] <\sh> ogra: i have now his working repos of python-apt and can work on it :)
[03:06] <dholbach> hunger: they unfortunately are
[03:06] <ogra> \sh, even greater
[03:06] <ivoks> jesus...
[03:06] <hunger> So how is a user supposed to know that he has to check udu wiki (wherever that is)?
[03:07] <\sh> hunger: one word, one action: ask :)
[03:07] <Nafallo> udu.wiki.ubuntu.com if I remember correctly
[03:07] <ogra> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage
[03:08] <hunger> \sh: Well, my parents i.e. would never ask... they would just whine till I replaced ubuntu with something else.
[03:08] <\sh> and listen to the channel carefully, make the names of the cracks red blinking and read the backlogs :) information gathering ;)
[03:08] <\sh> hunger: oh well, yes, I don't have parents, it's an advantage :)
[03:08] <thom> hunger: a user doesn't; the point is *you* are not a typical user, we expect you to be able to gather information correctly by dint of being in the irc channels that you are
[03:09] <dholbach> but we should have more visibility of our plans
[03:09] <hunger> \sh: That is reasonable for a developer centric distribution... but that is not really the focus of ubuntu, is it?
[03:09] <dholbach> so i sort of agree with hunger, although it's no easy task
[03:09] <\sh> hunger: I don't think the typical user should read dev related stuff....he wants something else.and this is on wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <dholbach> *throwing another buzzword in* TheFridge will solve all of our problems ;-)
[03:10] <hunger> thom: Well, actually I am in the IRC channels to find out the stuff I couldn't find on the websites:-)
[03:11] <ogra> yeah, the fridge
[03:11] <thom> dholbach: *giggle*
[03:11] <dholbach> i mean: what's left, when we have launchpad and thefridge?
[03:12] <\sh> hunger: well...there r many ways to get the information u want...1. MLs 2. google 3. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage/searchwiki?expr=UdU&submit=Search 4. IRC :)
[03:12] <thom> TWD
[03:13] <thom> we already have TRLS, MPBS should be here soon...
[03:13] <hunger> \sh: 3 does not really work well...
[03:13] <dholbach> not to forget HCT
[03:13] <\sh> hunger: of course :)
[03:13] <\sh> hunger: the 3 link in the resultlist is UbuntuDownUnder ;)
[03:14] <\sh> and in this wiki article, there is a link to udu.wiki...
[03:14] <\sh> oh I forgot planet.ubuntu.com
[03:14] <hunger> \sh: You must have a different search than I do then!
[03:15] <\sh> hunger: "Wiki Search"
[03:15] <\sh> hunger: not "search"
[03:15] <hunger> \sh: AAAAHHHHHH!
[03:16] <\sh> hunger: and most of the time, our channel bot is working quite well ;)
[03:16] <\sh> !ogra ubuntu binary drivers
[03:17] <dholbach> Using fallback bot: "You're probably looking for: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats"
[03:17] <hunger> \sh: Who would have thought that there are several different searches on the ubuntu wiki? And that you have the more obscure one:-)
[03:17] <\sh> hehe
[03:18] <\sh> hunger: well...wiki == wiki search...but anyways...I'm used to it :)
[03:18] <hunger> \sh: Thanks for that tip!
[03:18] <\sh> dholbach: ;)
[03:19] <herve> fridges? have I been absent for that long!
[03:20] <\sh> devels brain is not working like normal ones...most of the time we have to think different...to have a good communication between e.g. dev and sales or dev and marketing ;)
[03:20] <\sh> herve: u didn't here about TheFridge?
[03:20] <\sh> -here+hear
[03:21] <dholbach> bbl
[03:22] <\sh> brb
[03:25] <herve> \sh, no, please light my candle :-)
[03:26] <thom> herve: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge
[03:29] <herve> thom, thanks
[03:48] <tseng|work> hm im not sure how much we want to spread that around
[03:49] <tseng|work> alot of people at the bof had doubts
[03:56] <\sh> tseng: why?
[03:57] <\sh> the idea behind it is quite good...but the problem is more: who is operating it, who will write the content etc.
[03:58] <ogra> tseng|work, beagle 0.0.7 didnt work....segfaults on Util.dll, 0.0.9 compiles, but the daemon crashes from time to time
[03:58] <\sh> we wanted to this for redhat, a user concentrated portal, but it never saw the light of the world, cause nobody wanted to take care about it
[03:59] <\sh> oh sh*t...I'm getting old...forgot some words in the sentence
[04:01] <tseng|work> ogra did you install all the deps
[04:01] <ogra> yep
[04:01] <tseng|work> libevolution-cil libgmime-cil libgsf-cil
[04:02] <tseng|work> hrm
[04:02] <ogra> yep
[04:02] <tseng|work> whats it crash on
[04:02] <tseng|work> you can do beagle --fg --debug
[04:02] <tseng|work> beagled rather
[04:02] <ogra> yep, wait, just got it running via best now...
[04:02] <\sh> smoke
[04:03] <ogra> heh, i cant stop the running beagled
[04:04] <Mithrandir> beagle on the run!
[04:04] <Mithrandir> :)
[04:04] <ogra> yeah
[04:04] <ogra> hmm, cant stop the daemon, but it semms to run stable now... weird
[04:04] <tseng|work> well
[04:05] <tseng|work> mono apps dont show up as "beagled"
[04:05] <ogra> heh
[04:05] <tseng|work> its mono
[04:05] <tseng|work> gotta kill the pid
[04:05] <ogra> there is a wrapper script
[04:05] <herve> killall? rampage? slaughter?
[04:06] <tseng|work> killall++
[04:06] <ogra> hmm, but it runns just fine ....
[04:06] <tseng|work> k
[04:06] <ogra> dont like to be this nasty to it
[04:06] <tseng|work> good
[04:06] <tseng|work> we like running beagles
[04:06] <ogra> yeah
[04:07] <ogra> argl
[04:07] <ogra> the script writes the pid in /var/run....
[04:07] <tseng|work> oh nice
[04:07] <ogra> there was a crash before, now the pid doesnt match...
[04:08] <ogra> ok, killed and restarted... lets see
[04:09] <tseng|work> did you get 1.1.7?
[04:09] <tseng|work> this morning it didnt seem like Packages.gz was getting updated
[04:09] <ogra> got it this morning
[04:09] <tseng|work> awesome
[04:09] <tseng|work> its so much faster
[04:10] <ogra> ouch... best froze this time
[04:11] <ogra> hm, works fie if i start beagled through best
[04:12] <ogra> hmm, how long is this supposed to index ? it seems its still indexing...
[04:13] <ogra> i can see more results after every other search
[04:13] <tseng|work> it indexes for a long long time
[04:13] <tseng|work> it does your whole ~
[04:13] <tseng|work> but it throttles
[04:14] <ogra> hmmkay...
[04:14] <tseng|work> so if you go idle or turn on a screensaver it is more aggressive
[04:14] <tseng|work> if you are using it it doesnt thrash your disk/cpu
[04:14] <ogra> i'm playing with beagled since some hours
[04:15] <ogra> so i'd expect it to end once :)
[04:15] <tseng|work> ive never seen it doing nothing
[04:15] <tseng|work> its always finding new mail or something
[04:15] <tseng|work> shrug
[04:15] <ogra> yep, looks like
[04:16] <ogra> i'll just eave it alone and wait a while
[04:16] <tseng|work> and blogs
[04:16] <tseng|work> it reads all my feeds from blam
[04:16] <ogra> ah, blam...
[04:16] <ogra> didnt try it yet
[04:17] <tseng|work> is any of that stuff installable from the archive yet?
[04:17] <ogra> only f-spot.... but thats not even trying to compile...braks very early
[04:17] <ogra> there are source pkg's
[04:17] <tseng|work> i guess gtk-sharp didnt build on amd yet
[04:17] <ogra> i built it locally
[04:17] <tseng|work> https://www.jahc.net/work/discuss/index.cgi
[04:17] <tseng|work> im not sure what happened there
[04:18] <tseng|work> maybe the log just got lost again
[04:18] <ogra> it asks for user/pw
[04:18] <tseng|work> erm sorry
[04:19] <tseng|work> thats my cgi-irc script
[04:19] <tseng|work> meant to be the buildLog dir
[04:19] <tseng|work> with missing amd64 log
[04:19] <ogra> oh
[04:19] <tseng|work> firefox puts that stupid url in every tab
[04:41] <\sh> so...ppls....going home now...cu later
[04:48] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:48] <Nafallo> do people see italic test better than plain normal? :-)
[05:21] <GheRivero> res
[06:18] <koke> hey, does anyone know why sqlobject was not transitioned??
[06:18] <koke> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sqlobject/
[06:41] <koke> hey, I have my first package for breezy :)
[06:41] <dholbach> ROCK! :-)
[06:42] <koke> sqlobject was not pytransitioned :(
[06:43] <bddebian> Hi
[06:43] <koke> I still need an uploader :)
[06:43] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/
[06:47] <Nafallo> hehe
[06:53] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:53] <Nafallo> imagine pbuilder food recipe
[06:53] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:54] <bddebian> Oh no, I think there needs to be an emacs-pbuilder
[07:15] <abelli> buona sera
[07:54] <zul> jeu
[07:55] <zul> doh..hey
[07:56] <zul> i type too fast sometimes
[07:57] <Nafallo> yay! I must have parse error :-P
[08:19] <tseng|work> hi
[08:19] <ivoks> hi
[09:40] <tseng|work> hm so the mono stuff in breezy is actually further along that i thought
[09:40] <tseng|work> i can install most of the apps
[09:41] <tseng|work> and run
[10:14] <herve> see you all
[10:34] <dholbach> byeeeeeeee
[10:35] <tritium> bye dholbach :)
[10:35] <tseng> hi
[10:35] <Nafallo> tseng: hi :-)