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| Nafallo | *sigh* users. | 12:19 |
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| Nafallo | why compile stuff that's in the archive themselves? :-P | 12:19 |
| ajmitch_ | because they're users | 12:25 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: I should just ignore them ;-) | 12:26 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: I told them se.archive.ubuntu.com needs to sync, and one of them told me he had 1 megabit against that mirror :-P. | 12:26 |
| Amaranth | err, doing what? | 12:27 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: install packages I assume. but that doesn't help it download the securityfix for OO.o ;-) | 12:29 |
| Amaranth | heh | 12:29 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: new muine! | 12:36 |
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| Nafallo | http://bash.org/?500890 | 12:42 |
| Nafallo | hilarious :-) | 12:42 |
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| tseng | ogra: my beagled is mostly stopped now btw | 03:17 |
| tseng | ogra: just keeps polling (since no inotify) | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | hmm, and that depends on the new kernel? | 03:20 |
| tseng | yes | 03:25 |
| tseng | and a fixed gamin | 03:25 |
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| tseng | so about the aac gstreamer plugins requests | 05:29 |
| tseng | we might have to make a seperate source package? | 05:29 |
| tseng | gst-plugins-multiverse | 05:29 |
| tseng | and build just those | 05:29 |
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| tritium | rest up, crimsun | 06:38 |
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| Burgundavia | gah, tseng, you borked blam | 09:20 |
| ajmitch_ | that's the price of running breezy :) | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | just switched today | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | blam doesn't appear to have any debugging options that I can find either | 09:35 |
| ajmitch_ | how borked is it? | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | starts, but doesn't do anything | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | won't search for updates | 09:36 |
| ajmitch_ | works for me (tm) | 09:36 |
| ajmitch_ | testing updates | 09:37 |
| ajmitch_ | right, so hitting refresh all doesn't do much | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | nop | 09:38 |
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| dholbach | morning | 09:43 |
| ajmitch_ | hey daniel | 09:45 |
| ajmitch_ | how are you? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch_, still a bit tired :-) | 09:46 |
| dholbach | went into the pub with mvo yesterday and got home at 3:30 or something | 09:46 |
| ajmitch_ | great :) | 09:47 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 09:47 |
| ajmitch_ | I'm alright | 09:47 |
| ajmitch_ | had a quiet day today | 09:47 |
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| Nafallo | morning | 09:49 |
| === ajmitch_ waits patiently for his crappy script to run :) | ||
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: http://ajmitch.dhis.org/~ajmitch/breezy_merges.txt | 09:49 |
| ajmitch_ | more fun ;) | 09:49 |
| Nafallo | I can see... pipes :-) | 09:50 |
| dholbach | i can't believe it - are we ahead of debian in SO MANY places? | 09:50 |
| ajmitch_ | I haven't sorted it into what's newer in breezy vs debian | 09:51 |
| ajmitch_ | just what differences there are - there are lots of packages newer in sid still | 09:51 |
| ogra | morning | 09:51 |
| ajmitch_ | Nafallo: wiki syntax | 09:51 |
| dholbach | maybe python-apt gives you the nice dpkg comparison operator | 09:51 |
| dholbach | hellas ogra | 09:51 |
| ajmitch_ | hey ogra | 09:51 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: ahh, kewl :-) | 09:51 |
| ogra | is tseng around ? | 09:51 |
| ajmitch_ | perhaps, but the VersionCompare only takes ints as arguments | 09:52 |
| ajmitch_ | still working thru python-apt :) | 09:52 |
| dholbach | ajmitch_: then you should use || instead of | right? ;-) | 09:53 |
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: whatever works, it's only a print statement ;) | 09:53 |
| ajmitch_ | I'd also like to change it to work on source packages instead of binaries | 09:54 |
| ajmitch_ | and then fetch the diffs for review from MoM | 09:54 |
| dholbach | ajmitch_: grab the two Sources.gz before :-) | 09:54 |
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: yes, but this is using the apt interface - libapt is reading the sources.list :) | 09:54 |
| ajmitch_ | otherwise I'll just write up something quickly | 09:55 |
| dholbach | this is what i used for the apt-get.org stuff | 09:55 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/apt-get.org.py | 09:55 |
| dholbach | i downloaded 523798752989257 Sources.gz before (via apt-get) and compared them to our own Sources.gz | 09:55 |
| ajmitch_ | ok :) | 09:56 |
| ajmitch_ | nice mail template | 09:56 |
| dholbach | not that exciting, but src_recs = apt_pkg.GetPkgSrcRecords() and while src_recs.Lookup(package): seem to be the important stanzas | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | yep | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | I'm mainly wanting to compare versions | 09:57 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | so I'll have to work out the syntax for that | 09:57 |
| dholbach | i wonder, when mvo will get up ;-) | 09:57 |
| ajmitch_ | depends on how much you made him drink ;) | 09:58 |
| dholbach | it was ok :-) | 09:58 |
| dholbach | i mean, WE didnt end up in the gay bar :-) | 09:58 |
| ajmitch_ | I'm glad.. | 09:58 |
| dholbach | (compared to the majority of the ubuntu guys in sydney ;-)) | 09:58 |
| dholbach | ogra: how are you? | 09:59 |
| ogra | fine... tired... | 10:00 |
| dholbach | :-) | 10:00 |
| ogra | just built the new tomboy source here | 10:00 |
| dholbach | me too | 10:00 |
| Nafallo | ogra: amd64? | 10:00 |
| ogra | there is a typo in the source | 10:00 |
| ogra | yep | 10:00 |
| Nafallo | ogra: rock! | 10:00 |
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| Nafallo | hmm, s/rock/kewl/ | 10:00 |
| ogra | runs fine | 10:00 |
| ajmitch_ | ah, looks like I do have it installed | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | 8.3 already has for me | 10:01 |
| ajmitch_ | and muine still doesn't work :) | 10:01 |
| Nafallo | No, I'm NOT influenced by this channel in any way :-P | 10:01 |
| ogra | heh | 10:01 |
| === ajmitch_ will have to complain to tseng or someone | ||
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: eyy, you we're smiling ;-) | 10:02 |
| ajmitch_ | ? | 10:02 |
| === ajmitch_ sees problem, fixes | ||
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: means that you probably LIKE that muine doesn't work ;-) | 10:03 |
| ajmitch_ | Nafallo: no, why do you think that? | 10:03 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch_: the smiliey :-) | 10:03 |
| Nafallo | nm, I shouldn't be up this early, but I have a haircut to be made :-) | 10:05 |
| dholbach | why is aaronlake (metallikop) on the CCAgenda? | 10:07 |
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| ogra | ajmitch_, ? muine just needs a built gtk-sharp2-unstable, then it should (nearly) work | 10:49 |
| ajmitch_ | ogra: PEBKAC ;) | 10:52 |
| ogra | PEBKAC ? | 10:54 |
| ajmitch_ | problem exists between keyboard and chair | 10:56 |
| ajmitch_ | ie, user (myself) error | 10:56 |
| ogra | ah | 10:56 |
| ogra | also the dependency to mono-mint must go, cli-common (>= 0.1) needs to be tightened to 0.1.1 and dh_netdeps and dh_makenetlibs need to be changed s/net/cli then it works fine :) | 10:58 |
| ogra | whoops.... | 11:00 |
| ogra | 0.8.3 has no trayicon anymore :/ | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | I noticed that | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | was most sad | 11:00 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | and the gnome-panel-app link it dead | 11:01 |
| ogra | worksforme | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | http://pedro.codemonkey.cl/muine/applet/index.html | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | this one? | 11:01 |
| ogra | 404 ? | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | you know of another? | 11:02 |
| ogra | looked at gnomefiles ? | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 11:02 |
| ogra | he probably m,oved | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | the download link goes to the same website | 11:03 |
| ogra | but works | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, no package means I don't install | 11:05 |
| ogra | hmm, dh_netdeps and dh_makenetlibs are changed in muine 0.8.3 .... funnily debuild still complains about them... | 11:06 |
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| Burgundavia | and I curse malone | 11:29 |
| Burgundavia | does launchpad have a mailing list? | 11:33 |
| p0m | I think I saw one. | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | so did I | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | there is | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | they just don't list it on lists.u.c | 11:34 |
| p0m | Wait, you mean Launchpad as in the ubuntu launchpad? | 11:35 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:35 |
| p0m | I seem to be thinking of something else then :) | 11:35 |
| p0m | So you're looking for the malone mailing list | 11:36 |
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| dholbach | Unfrgiven: ping | 11:41 |
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| dholbach | hey herve! | 11:42 |
| herve | (cloudy) morning! | 11:42 |
| dholbach | here as well | 11:42 |
| herve | so let's eat my easter egg to cheer up :-) | 11:44 |
| thom | launchpad mailing list is private; i guess suggesting to bradb/sabdfl that you need a malone users list would be a good first step | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | thom, thanks | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | thom, I was using malone, and then I felt like ripping my spleen out (this also happens when I use bugzilla) | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | so I needed to vent and tell them what was crack and needed to fix | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | s/to/to be | 11:49 |
| Burgundavia | ed | 11:49 |
| herve | I have feedback too | 11:52 |
| herve | I don't feel comfortable with its ergonomy | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | herve, I am in #launchpad talking about it right now | 11:52 |
| p0m | Burgundavia: I thought bugzilla removed your spleen for you. | 11:52 |
| Burgundavia | felt like != doing | 11:53 |
| herve | Burgundavia, later, I'm with my family | 11:56 |
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| Nafallo | morning all | 01:22 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Meeting with Malone crew: 12 Apr 16:00 UTC | ||
| Nafallo | dholbach: that last statement seems a bit off IMHO | 02:29 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Meeting with Malone crew: 12 May 16:00 UTC | ||
| === dholbach pipes innocently | ||
| Nafallo | :-) | 02:30 |
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| dholbach | who wants to add something to the MOTU report? | 03:03 |
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| Nafallo | dholbach: we're is the draft? :-) | 03:08 |
| tseng | bur[n] er: i can install blam just fine | 03:08 |
| tseng | bur[n] er: er burgandiva.. | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | hi tseng :-) | 03:08 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: not in the net yet, just tell me, what you want to see in there :-) | 03:08 |
| tseng | hi | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: "We _ROCK_!!!" :-) | 03:09 |
| dholbach | ok :-) | 03:09 |
| Nafallo | you people deserve that statement :-) | 03:10 |
| tseng | ogra: ? | 03:11 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: ? | 03:11 |
| Nafallo | *sigh* I hate my downstream | 03:11 |
| ogra | tseng, i have a fixed tomboy package for you if you like | 03:11 |
| tseng | ogra: rock on ! | 03:11 |
| tseng | ogra: his patch was bad | 03:11 |
| ogra | and for the wrong version.... | 03:11 |
| Nafallo | my mirror was just synced, started 10 HOURS ago. | 03:11 |
| ogra | tseng, http://www.grawert.net/mono/ | 03:12 |
| Nafallo | hmm, 1G on the other hand :-P | 03:13 |
| tseng | the beagle stuff is? | 03:13 |
| ogra | not ready yet | 03:13 |
| tseng | ok. | 03:13 |
| tseng | changes to mine? | 03:13 |
| ogra | missing manpages etc | 03:13 |
| ogra | do you have a 0.0.9 ? | 03:13 |
| tseng | its in NEW | 03:13 |
| ogra | i havent found one | 03:13 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 03:13 |
| tseng | I did not review manpage love | 03:14 |
| ogra | hmm, i built mine new from source... so i think i should wait for the sync... | 03:14 |
| tseng | http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=20 | 03:17 |
| tseng | sweet i got trolled on my own blog | 03:17 |
| tfheen | heh | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | lol | 03:19 |
| ogra | heh | 03:19 |
| tseng | I clearly dont know the difference | 03:19 |
| === Nafallo should take pictures to make tseng happy | ||
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| tseng | ogra: uploaded your tomboy | 03:44 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 03:44 |
| tseng | thank you. | 03:45 |
| tseng | ogra: today I want to work on getting aac gstreamer plugins built | 03:46 |
| tseng | faac and faad | 03:46 |
| tseng | that would be rad | 03:46 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:46 |
| tseng | thinking about gst-plugins-multiverse | 03:47 |
| ogra | cool | 03:47 |
| tseng | (the libs are in universe/multi) | 03:47 |
| ogra | yep | 03:47 |
| tseng | that kind of sucks | 03:50 |
| tseng | i cant add aac support to gtkpod in universe if the lib is in multiverse | 03:50 |
| tseng | right? | 03:50 |
| ogra | it should be... | 03:51 |
| Nafallo | dooh! | 04:03 |
| dholbach | it's out | 04:05 |
| Nafallo | tseng: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/haircut/ ;-) | 04:08 |
| Nafallo | I believe I look more decent now than before ;-) | 04:14 |
| Nafallo | tseng: ping? | 04:19 |
| ogra | darn, tomboy is missing a uudecode build-dependency | 04:23 |
| ogra | tseng, fixed the missing sharutils build-dep in tomboy, ok if i upload ? | 04:30 |
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| dholbach | hey herve | 05:03 |
| tseng | ogra: yes | 05:05 |
| ogra | fine | 05:06 |
| tseng | ogra: ajmitch_ http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=104 < mono team rocks! | 05:06 |
| ogra | yay | 05:06 |
| tseng | after lunch i need to finish up monodevelop deps | 05:07 |
| tseng | but im hearing gecko#-2 doesnt build on mono 1.1.7 | 05:07 |
| tseng | (yet) | 05:07 |
| herve | ogra, you're on the right if I remember your face? | 05:09 |
| ogra | yep | 05:09 |
| dholbach | bye | 05:10 |
| herve | ogra, who are the others? | 05:11 |
| dholbach | the one looking stupid on every picture is me :-) | 05:12 |
| dholbach | like on 101 | 05:12 |
| ogra | herve, left is tseng center is ajmitch_ | 05:13 |
| dholbach | *wave* | 05:15 |
| herve | http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=4&exif_style=&show_thumbs= | 05:19 |
| herve | this is mako, right? | 05:19 |
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| ogra | herve, thats Mithrandir | 05:26 |
| tseng | http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=61 | 05:28 |
| tseng | thats mako | 05:28 |
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| tfheen | tseng: http://tseng.ath.cx/photos/index.php?galerie=udu&snimek=23&exif_style=&show_thumbs= is such an excellent picture. mjg59 and hal, mjg59 seems very, very happy | 05:38 |
| tseng | tfheen: yes :) | 05:39 |
| tseng | its the MAGIC* | 05:39 |
| tseng | for some reason original stopped counting # of views on each picture | 05:39 |
| tseng | latexer has a patch for blam for whoever was complaining | 05:44 |
| ogra | Nafallo | 05:44 |
| tseng | ill fix that after lunch also | 05:45 |
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| tseng | hm and sync with debian while im at it | 05:46 |
| Lathiat | damn, the FTBFS list is rather long | 05:47 |
| tseng | blam fix is in | 06:04 |
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| tseng | bbl | 06:09 |
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| Nafallo | tip for everyone. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT look at the second season of dead zone if you can't handle very motionfull programs. | 07:35 |
| === Nafallo just want to kill their storywriter atm :-P. | ||
| Nafallo | s/want/wants/ | 07:36 |
| Nafallo | s/motion/emotion/ | 07:37 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: [spoilers] why not? | 07:53 |
| Nafallo | Treenaks: the emotions between episodes 11-15 is tense, every one of those made me cry ;-). | 07:55 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: lots of TV programs make me cry.. but for other reasons ;) | 07:56 |
| Nafallo | I've only watched up to 15 yet :-P | 07:56 |
| Nafallo | Treenaks: hehe. those has intelligent in them ;-) | 07:56 |
| Nafallo | intelligens even | 07:57 |
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| Burgundavia | tseng, thanks | 08:37 |
| tseng | for? | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | the blam fix | 08:38 |
| Burgundavia | now I can have news crack | 08:38 |
| tseng | rock on | 08:40 |
| === tseng tries building nptl only mono | ||
| Nafallo | tseng: rock! that's the way :-) | 08:43 |
| tseng | we'll see | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | oh yhoh yeh | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | blah | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | oh yeh | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | tseng: i meant to send thanks about that too. :) | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | was pissing my rss crack | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | damnit | 08:44 |
| Lathiat | im too tired to be ircing | 08:44 |
| === Lathiat disappears back to coding | ||
| Burgundavia | tseng, are there any debug options for blam? as i couldn't get any useful info out of it as to why it wasn't working | 08:45 |
| tseng | edit the wrapper script to call mono --debug blam.exe | 08:45 |
| tseng | but this particular bug didnt show anything | 08:46 |
| tseng | just a helpful tip in general | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | ok, thanks | 08:48 |
| ivoks | hi | 08:55 |
| ivoks | i'm trying to debianize wifi-radar package for breezy | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | if I provide a patch against a .desktop file, should I diff against the .desktop file or the whole package? | 08:58 |
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| bur[n] er | ivoks: i'll test it :) i've been waiting for wifi radar.deb :) | 09:08 |
| Nafallo | ahh, that thing | 09:09 |
| === Nafallo want it to ;-) | ||
| === Nafallo should learn to type wants ;-) | ||
| ivoks | bur[n] er it's done | 09:14 |
| ivoks | bur[n] er URL in couple of minutes | 09:14 |
| ivoks | http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu | 09:24 |
| ivoks | well, i know it's pice of cake to create that deb, but this is my first one :) | 09:25 |
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| bur[n] er | i have no idea how to make a .deb from .py files | 09:36 |
| bur[n] er | seems hard to me | 09:36 |
| ivoks | ? | 09:38 |
| ivoks | try it, I added .desktop and changed wifi-radar.sh to use gksudo instead of sudo | 09:40 |
| ivoks | i'll be back... | 09:41 |
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| ivoks | ok... couple of fixes... | 09:53 |
| ivoks | ok, that's finall -1 release :) | 09:55 |
| === Burgundavia hugs tseng, as his news crack now flows | ||
| Nafallo | digital cameras work on breezy? | 10:15 |
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| tseng | Burgundavia: rock on. | 10:31 |
| Nafallo | or is it the same error as usbkeys, flashdrives and stuff? | 10:32 |
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| fitheach | hi | 10:51 |
| Nafallo | ogra: ? | 10:53 |
| ogra | Nafallo, ? | 10:53 |
| Nafallo | ogra: you never told me what you thought about my branch so far ;-). | 10:53 |
| ogra | nice, do you provide it to others ? | 10:54 |
| ogra | or is it your private mirror ? | 10:54 |
| Nafallo | ogra: ahh :-). people are allowed to use it, if they like the speed ;-). | 10:55 |
| ogra | heh | 10:55 |
| Nafallo | ogra: only got 512/512kb :-P | 10:56 |
| Nafallo | ogra: I will provide my scripts though :-) | 10:56 |
| Nafallo | ogra: and logs :-) | 10:56 |
| ogra | just because i think its a bit overkill to pull several GB for a private mirror | 10:56 |
| ogra | thats why i asked :) | 10:56 |
| Nafallo | ogra: well, if I want to get the source for openoffice for exampel, I don't have to wait for the 76MB :-). | 10:57 |
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| Nafallo | ogra: also, when security updates comes in, all three computers doesn't have to download it :-). | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | ogra: and the best reason; because I can ;-) | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | hmm, I should put this on the webpage :-P | 10:58 |
| ogra | thats a usecase, but you still pull a lot of stuff you'll never use... | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | ogra: thanks for inspiration :-). | 10:58 |
| Nafallo | ogra: ofcourse. and I pull it from se.archive.ubuntu.com :-). | 10:59 |
| ogra | heh | 10:59 |
| Nafallo | ogra: swedish university, so no bandwidth costs for them :-) | 10:59 |
| ogra | i know... its maswan's and Mithrandir's territory ;) | 11:00 |
| Nafallo | ogra: cvs.gnome.org is there to :-). and cdimage.debian.org. | 11:00 |
| === tseng tries his first build of gst-plugins-multiverse0.8 | ||
| tseng | the packaging of gst-plugins is very interesting | 11:01 |
| Nafallo | ogra: I'll add more stuff I probably won't use later :-). I plan to build install-isos daily when breezy starts with that :-). | 11:01 |
| tseng | everything is built by substitution | 11:01 |
| Nafallo | ogra: btw, do you recognize the layout? ;-) | 11:03 |
| ogra | yep | 11:03 |
| ogra | did you test it in explorer ? ;) | 11:05 |
| ogra | explorer isnt able to show these nice dotted lines... | 11:05 |
| Nafallo | ogra: I don't use MS products :-) | 11:05 |
| ogra | heh | 11:05 |
| Nafallo | ogra: and if IE can't handle W3C standards they might aswell go to hell for what I care ;-). | 11:06 |
| ogra | heh | 11:06 |
| Nafallo | ogra: and yes. I've told my teacher in webdesign that ;-) | 11:06 |
| ogra | hehe | 11:07 |
| Nafallo | ...and she probably hates me quite a bit now :-). | 11:07 |
| Nafallo | :-D | 11:07 |
| tfheen | well, webdesign classes where you're not taught that w3c is the holy grail (more or less) are probably useless. | 11:09 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: if I put it this way... she want's us to use 600px centered tables just because she thinks it's standard :-P. | 11:10 |
| tfheen | Nafallo: sounds like a waste of your time. | 11:11 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: naah, I get to take a studyloan and have a _must do_ for fixing a homepage for the domain :-). | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: I already got grades for the course ;-) | 11:12 |
| ogra | so you use frontpage in wine there *g* ? | 11:12 |
| tfheen | Nafallo: you know, loans must be paid back. ;) | 11:13 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: and money is a must have, unfortunatly. | 11:13 |
| tfheen | I've never really considered that a problem, but I'm lucky. | 11:13 |
| Nafallo | ogra: I did s/FrontPage/Screem/g && s/Paint\ Shop\ Pro/GIMP/g first thing I did :-). | 11:14 |
| ogra | :) | 11:14 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: you must be :-). but well, I'll get a job soon hopefully :-). | 11:14 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: that means I see you in the autumn if I do :-) | 11:16 |
| tfheen | you're in .se; you should just come visit sometime or something. | 11:16 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: I've told Simira the same thing for you two when I spent time on #debian-women :-). | 11:17 |
| tfheen | are you coming to debconf? | 11:17 |
| tfheen | you should. It's fun. | 11:18 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: probably not, I don't have the job yet. have to save money for next ubuntu conference :-). | 11:18 |
| tfheen | do useful work, get sponsored. | 11:19 |
| tfheen | works for most people . ;) | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: you were in Trondheim, right? :-) | 11:19 |
| tfheen | ATM, yes. | 11:19 |
| tfheen | moving to Oslo in a couple of months. | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: :-). have to learn the programming-dance first :-). | 11:19 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: oooh, Oslo is _way_ closer :-) | 11:20 |
| tfheen | the programming part is easy, it's the "how-the-fuck-do-I-design-this-thing-so-I-can-maintain-it" part which is hard. | 11:20 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: lol :-). as you can see I'm probably starting in the wrong end ;-). | 11:21 |
| tfheen | probably, but we'll beat you with a stick until you get the design part right too. It's not that hard, really. Usually at least. | 11:21 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: I know :-). the weird thing is that I like it ;-). | 11:22 |
| tfheen | :P | 11:22 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: I shall probably wear my chainmail when meeting you IRL ;-). | 11:23 |
| tfheen | Nafallo: well, both Simira and I are LARP people, so we'll just wear swords then. ;) | 11:23 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: dang! ;-) | 11:23 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: but axe would be better, you know ;-). | 11:24 |
| tfheen | axe is slow. | 11:24 |
| tfheen | dodging axes is actually fairly easy. | 11:24 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: but it cuts throw the chainmail... | 11:24 |
| tfheen | so does a nice sword, pike or stiletto | 11:24 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: meeh! now you're just mean :-). | 11:25 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: that would cut throw leather to :-P. | 11:25 |
| tfheen | true enough | 11:26 |
| tfheen | the hint is either to catch people's weapons or don't get hit. | 11:26 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: hehehe | 11:26 |
| tfheen | at least with LARP weapons, wearing a cloak is a brilliant thing. hold it up and you can catch a lot of slashes in it. | 11:27 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: dang. you have lot's to teach me :-). | 11:28 |
| tfheen | you're not LARPing, just wandering around in chainmail? | 11:28 |
| ogra | tseng, looks like a missing gtk-sharp is blocking tomboy.... | 11:50 |
| ogra | (on amd64 | 11:50 |
| ogra | ) | 11:50 |
| Nafallo | what a surprise :-P | 11:50 |
| ogra | i'll trigger a rebuild if thats ok.. | 11:51 |
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