[12:12] <kkathman> flames:  go to the control center, choose KDE Components
[12:13] <kkathman> flames: then choose Component Chooser then choose the Email client
[12:13] <kkathman> etc
[12:20] <kkathman> flames:  you get it?
[12:24] <flames> yes
[12:24] <flames> thx
[12:24] <flames> but, this is not solution for me
[12:25] <kkathman> its not??  It was for me :)
[12:26] <flames> which browser use you?
[12:26] <claydoh> make sure you put in mozilla-thunderbird not just thunderbird :)
[12:26] <kkathman> if you want your system to default to thunderbird, that will work
[12:26] <kkathman> I use Opera 8
[12:27] <flames> i use firefox
[12:27] <claydoh> and mozilla-firefox if you want to use firefox in kde apps
[12:27] <kkathman> yes claydoh is right, you cant just put "thunderbird" or "firefox" you have to precede it with mozilla-
[12:27] <kkathman> hehe brilliant minds claydoh :)
[12:27] <claydoh> yup
[12:28] <ojw> if you install mozilla on kubuntu, you still get the GNOME-themed dialog boxes?
[12:29] <flames> i?
[12:30] <flames> yes, not too pretty firefox in kde
[12:30] <_marco> hey do you know the website for the posting?
[12:31] <kkathman> flames: try downloading other skins
[12:31] <claydoh> I use this theme for firefox
[12:31] <claydoh> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=213&application=firefox
[12:32] <kkathman> or perhaps try Konqueror as your browser..its KDE
[12:32] <claydoh> theres one for tbird too a bit nicer imo
[12:32] <kkathman> or Opera has alot of skins too...and version 8 is awesome
[12:32] <kkathman> but its commercial too, so..your call
[12:33] <claydoh> I'd take konqueror over Opera, but that's just a personal taste thing
[12:34] <Bicchi> There is a lot of ghosting when i move windows in kde. I have tried using the fglrx drivers and this does not seem to help.
[12:34] <flames> claydoh: i install that theme, cool! :-)
[12:35] <flames> but tab bar height big a little
[12:37] <overdrive> Hi I have just installed Kubuntu recently but I am having trouble installing the msttcorefonts can anyone help
[12:39] <Diablo-D3> http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2005/05/04.html#a1228
[12:39] <Diablo-D3> for those who code perl
[12:42] <kkathman> overdrive: what problems are you having?
[12:42] <kkathman> overdrive: I can tell you you wont really like them, they dont look that good in applications
[12:44] <kkathman> the Bitstream Vera sans is your best bet for cleanness
[12:44] <whiskers> Diablo-D3, man i don't know if i like perl or not....perl was a bitch to get running on win98
[12:45] <overdrive> kkkathman: well I do the sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts and it starts downloading but hangs on bout 5% with andale32.exe
[12:46] <flames> finally, i set this in firefox: user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto","/usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird"); and mailto links works :-) (i find this on ubuntuforum), thx for help!
[12:47] <whiskers> Diablo-D3, and i still have a problem with postgres on win98...because of a symlink issue.....but i am trying to make sure that everyone has all their enterprise stuff for free on win98 if they already paid for it because i am certain those crooks at MS will not give people their money back on win98
[12:47] <whiskers> Diablo-D3, what a database has to do with McMurdo in Antarctica....i will never know
[12:50] <kkathman> flames: where did you put that in firefox and why?
[12:51] <ojw> kkathman: "about:config" in your URL bar
[12:51] <ojw> then search
[12:52] <kkathman> just wondered what thats supposed to do?
[12:53] <kkathman> add the mail to your browser?
[12:53] <claydoh> associates maillto: links with tbird
[12:53] <claydoh> they don't work in firefox
[12:54] <ojw> (bitstream vera sans seems pretty usable when you've got antialiasing on.  Haven't found a decent font that works without antialiasing though...)
[12:54] <kkathman> ahh gotcha... why wont putting mozilla-thunderbird in the KDE components do that?
[12:55] <kkathman> ojw I havent had any problems on my end at least I havent seen any 
[12:55] <kkathman> Opera 8 is doing something that makes things clearer too
[12:56] <ojw> "works" in the sense that bitstream* looks crap when used without antialiasing
[12:57] <whiskers> and if they don't get it all running for free on win98...they will get it all running for free on linux
[12:58] <whiskers> but i just have to figure out this symlink problem on win98
[12:58] <flames> kkathman: i set mozilla-thunderbird in kcontrol -> kde components, but not works properly, want open evolution
[12:59] <flames> kkathman: opera 8 confirm for create a account (?), when i click mailto link
[01:00] <kkathman> ohhh I misunderstood you flames, Im sorry
[01:01] <kkathman> ojw yeah I have antialiasing on for sure .. nothing looks good without it
[01:01] <kkathman> unfortunately, fonts is something that windows does very well :)  so that we have to give them :)
[01:01] <kkathman> give them that I mean
[01:04] <kkathman> I never needed antialiasing  in windows
[01:04] <kkathman> but I did set the smooth edges
[01:04] <Overdrive> kkathman: after it hangs for ages it gives the message /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:05] <kkathman> Overdrive: hmmm.. do you know where you are getting it from?
[01:05] <flames> kkathman: mailto link not work for me in opera 8, but it no problem, because i use firefox
[01:05] <Overdrive> kkathman: http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/
[01:05] <kkathman> ok thats good that you got it working then flames :)
[01:06] <kkathman> Overdrive: well ok I have to assume that the site is ok, but I think I got mine elsewhere at one time
[01:06] <kkathman> mayube marilat
[01:06] <kkathman> maybe
[01:07] <Overdrive> kkathman: marilat ?? in a linux noob
[01:07] <Overdrive> im a
[01:08] <kkathman> Overdrive:  its just another repository
[01:09] <Kisain> i'm getting redy to start my own ftp server ^_^
[01:09] <Overdrive> kkathman: how would I go about trying that one then ?
[01:09] <Kisain> yay for the noob
[01:10] <kkathman> Overdrive: its also in the ubuntu universe
[01:11] <kkathman> overdrive:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31067&highlight=msttcorefonts
[01:11] <kkathman> that might help you
[01:11] <kkathman> I'd try the ubuntu universe first I think
[01:13] <kkathman> overdrive:  open your /etc/apt/sources.list file using Kate or your favorite editor under root, then add the following two lines if they arent there:
[01:13] <kkathman> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[01:13] <kkathman> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[01:13] <kkathman> Overdrive: they might be there, but commented out with a # in front of the line..if so, just remove that
[01:14] <kkathman> Then at a command line, do a sudo apt-get update. and try your install again.
[01:19] <glen_> hiya
[01:19] <glen_> is there a kubuntugiuld like there is for ubuntu?
[01:19] <Kisain> can't figure out gproftpd :(
[01:22] <glen_> anyone?
[01:23] <kkathman> glen_:  you dont really need a different one
[01:23] <kkathman> the only diff, is that kubuntu has kde installed basically
[01:23] <Overdrive> kkathman: Done that but it still tries to download from http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/
[01:23] <glen_> kkathman i see, okay ill use that then 
[01:23] <kkathman> Overdrive: you need to remove the other one, or comment it out.
[01:24] <kkathman> Wow KBear is really unstable
[01:24] <kkathman> I think I need a good FTP proggie
[01:25] <Kisain> same here
[01:25] <Kisain> i can't get this gproftpd to work
[01:26] <Kisain> :(
[01:26] <Overdrive> kkathman: which other one ? 
[01:26] <Kisain> and i'm tryin so hard
[01:26] <Kisain> it's just given me errors on top of errors
[01:26] <Kisain> i'm about to convert back to windows :(
[01:27] <Kisain> and i don't want to cause i hate freakin windows
[01:27] <Kisain> if anyone finds a good ftp program and can help me out i would appriciate it
[01:27] <claydoh> you need a server program or cliient?
[01:28] <Kisain> server program
[01:28] <Kisain> somethin that can get through my router
[01:28] <Kisain> and be used on my network
[01:28] <Kisain> for wan/lan
[01:28] <Kisain> no such user 'linuxbox'
[01:28] <Kisain>  - Fatal: User: Unknown user 'linuxbox'. on line 19 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'
[01:28] <Kisain> i keep gettin this and other errors
[01:29] <Kisain> when i use gproftpd
[01:29] <Kisain> :(
[01:29] <claydoh> thats too deep for me :(
[01:29] <Kisain> i even have it's gui i downloaded
[01:29] <Kisain> same here
[01:29] <Kisain> :(
[01:31] <Kisain> can anyone help me?
[01:31] <claydoh> unfortunately *nix servers are not gui friendly
[01:31] <Kisain> is there an ftp chat here someware?
[01:31] <claydoh> #proftpd
[01:32] <Kisain> yay
[01:32] <claydoh> http://www.debianhowto.de/howtos/en/proftpd/c_proftpd.html
[01:33] <claydoh> gproftpd is a gui frontend to gproftpd
[01:33] <claydoh> er proftpd rather
[01:34] <Kisain> yea i know
[01:34] <flames> which is a killer ftp client app for kde? i need one
[01:35] <Kisain> it would be nice if i could find something easyer than this ftp i got too
[01:36] <whiskers> ok dokey got the win98 stuff working now everybody can have all the enterprise stuff for free on win98...also
[01:37] <whiskers> now that just leaves the glibc issues on linux and getting gnome-help to work
[01:38] <claydoh> there is wu-ftpd, pure-ftpd
[01:39] <whiskers> one problem at a time....and soon everything will be totally free and everyone will starve like the monks on the Holy Mountain
[01:39] <whiskers> that is why Hitler slaughtered all the Jews but left the Christians on the Holy Mountain alone and even supported them
[01:40] <claydoh> vsftpd and glftpd
[01:40] <claydoh> pure-ftpd is supposed to be easier to set up
[01:40] <claydoh> but it still all cliu and text files
[01:40] <claydoh> cli and text files
[01:42] <kkathman> hey there edsuom  :)
[01:44] <claydoh> there is a "public file server" applet for the kde kicker
[01:44] <claydoh> right-click on the panel, add/applet/Public File Server
[01:45] <Overdrive> kkathman: in sources.list to comment the other ones do I just put a '#' infront of it ?
[01:45] <claydoh> that might be good for a lan
[01:45] <Kisain> can someone test my ftp server to see if you can get in?
[01:46] <kkathman> Overdrive: yes
[01:46] <claydoh> if you trust us to :)
[01:47] <Kisain> i trus ya just don't hert my box
[01:47] <Kisain> you'll need a login and pass let me know what you want
[01:47] <Overdrive> kkathman: Well I done that saved it did sudo apt-get update and tried again but it was still the same
[01:47] <kkathman> Overdrive: what was the same?
[01:48] <kkathman> Overdrive: it stalled on download?
[01:48] <Overdrive> it was still trying to download from easynews
[01:48] <kkathman> huh?? How??
[01:49] <kkathman> if you remove that from the sources.list, and do a sudo apt-get update, theres no way it CAN download from there
[01:49] <Overdrive> yes it stalled and i dont know how
[01:49] <kkathman> or commented out too
[01:49] <Kisain> just see if it gives you the login
[01:51] <Overdrive> well i put the # infront of all the other listed sites saved it and apt-get update so I dont know whats going on
[01:52] <kkathman> Overdrive: OHHH...NOOO... you wanted to put the # in front of the sourceforge site line, and the other should NOT have the # sign.
[01:52] <kkathman> others
[01:54] <Overdrive> but sourceforge is not listed in sources.list
[01:54] <Overdrive> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[01:54] <Overdrive> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[01:54] <Overdrive> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[01:54] <Overdrive> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[01:55] <kkathman> I guess there is something odd going on that Im unaware of...cuz the apt-get update reads the sources.list and then when you do the apt-get install, it uses only the sources in that file.
[01:55] <glen_> can any one help with an apt-get problem?
[01:55] <kkathman> shoot glen_ 
[01:56] <glen_> mnd if i PM you the error?
[01:56] <kkathman> thats fine
[01:56] <flames> what happen, if a package available more than one source? (apt-get)
[01:57] <glen_> kkathman> okay done
[01:57] <kkathman> flames: apt will get the first one it finds, then if it finds it in another repos, it checks the version...it will always take the most current version
[01:58] <flames> i see! thx
[01:58] <Kisain> all i want to do is start a wan/lan ftp server and i'm to dumb :(
[01:59] <Kisain> and it freakin sucks
[01:59] <Kisain> and on top of it all i hate nat!!!!!
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/05/bad-rss-feeds-bad.html
[02:04] <claydoh> there is a pureftpd gui front end available via apt, pureadmin
[02:04] <claydoh> http://www.pureftpd.org/FAQ has some nat info
[02:07] <claydoh> :( the frontend sucks tho
[02:07] <bobc> can anyone tell me how to change screen resolution without directly editing xorg.conf?
[02:07] <bobc> I can't find anything in the control center or nvidia-settings
[02:07] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: do you know any reason that if you do an apt-get install on a package, that it would get it from a source NOT in your sources.list?
[02:08] <crimsun> bobc: you could use xrandr directly if your driver supports it
[02:08] <Kisain> can you guys recomend an ftp channel thats not proftpd?
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> easy, you didnt apt-get update first
[02:08] <Kisain> tere all asses in there
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> if you change your sources.list, you have to apt-get update afterwards
[02:08] <claydoh> bobc: go to System/Control Center/ then Peripherals/display
[02:10] <bobc> claydoh: awesome, thanks! Control Center layout really sucks. Peripherals? Not part of Appearance & Themes?
[02:11] <claydoh> well it is a hardware thing :)
[02:11] <claydoh> but better names would be "stuff" and "eyecandy " :)
[02:11] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  ok..assuming you did that...any way it goes off elsewhere?
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: simply, it cant.
[02:12] <kkathman> ok I thought so
[02:12] <kkathman> thanks
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: apt-get update rebuilds the list of debs it knows about, purging all the ones it doesnt know about
[02:12] <kkathman> right...well I didnt know if there was some hidden mechanism that it might channel to someother site
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> nope
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> well
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> yes, technically
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> the httpd serving the debs can redir to another url
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> and apt-get should follow it
[02:15] <kkathman> well that maybe whats happening then
[02:17] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  you ever seen a sources.list with html in it?
[02:17] <kkathman> I mean...<html> and tags etc
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: there should never be one
[02:17] <kkathman> thought so..thanks
[02:18] <kkathman> hehe
[02:18] <kkathman> helping someone with their file...I think there was some extra pasting :)
[02:48] <brosio> hi
[02:48] <brosio> every time i try to run an mp3 with noatun it crashes, other sounds works good, xmms works good any could help ?
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> dont use noatun
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> use amarok instaed
[02:54] <Hackmo> hey all, i've got a problem concerning root needed tasks
[02:54] <Hackmo> When I get a prompt telling me to enter my password I input it but then nothing happens
[02:55] <Hackmo> sometimes I get an error saying "Please check that the dcopserver is running"
[02:55] <Hackmo> which it is
[02:56] <Diablo-D3> sounds like ksu is fubar on your box
[02:56] <Diablo-D3> open up a konsole and try sudo
[02:57] <kkathman> bbl
[02:58] <Hackmo> yeah I just tried "sudo apt-get install nmap" and it worked fine
[02:58] <Hackmo> although it didn't ask for a password
[02:59] <Diablo-D3> something is wrong on your system
[02:59] <Hackmo> It worked fine when I first installed it but after I restarted it I kept getting this error
[03:00] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[03:00] <Diablo-D3> try restarting your session
[03:00] <Hackmo> ok
[03:01] <Hackmo> No, still didn't work
[03:01] <Hackmo> getting the same error
[03:02] <Diablo-D3> try restarting box
[03:03] <Hackmo> nope still doesn't work
[03:04] <Diablo-D3> try asking in #kde
[03:04] <Hackmo> ok thanks
[03:18] <Hackmo> any clue if this is a kubuntu thing or a KDE thing
[03:25] <jedipottsy> hey
[03:25] <jedipottsy> can someone help me
[03:25] <jedipottsy> i lost the #kubuntu
[03:25] <jedipottsy> i lost the workspace switcher*
[03:25] <Hackmo> tried right click and add to pannel?
[03:26] <jedipottsy> where about is it tho?
[03:27] <Hackmo> right click the pannel that the workspace switcher was on
[03:27] <jedipottsy> the panel has gone
[03:27] <Hackmo> oh, well I have no idea sorry
[03:27] <jedipottsy> ok
[03:28] <jedipottsy> w8 i got it back, theres a blue button in top corner
[03:28] <Hackmo> ah, all you did was hide the pannel
[03:28] <jedipottsy> ok neway, right click add > (where is workspace switcher?)
[03:28] <Hackmo> I don't have kubuntu in front of me put just look through the options 
[03:32] <brosio> Diablo-D3, i want to use noatun...
[03:45] <gnu234> Hi, 32-bit version on laptop. Streaming thru xmms works great. kde system sounds work within control centre but not "outside" of control centre. Virtual desktops etc...any   ideas?
[04:06] <Brazmetal> Hello people... I'd like to know if there's a way to set all the aplications to open links in firefox....
[04:09] <claydoh> Brazmetal: go to System/Control Center, then KDE components...
[04:09] <claydoh> then select component chooser
[04:10] <claydoh> make sure you use 'mozilla-firefox'
[04:10] <claydoh> in the web browser section
[04:11] <claydoh> if you want to use thunderbird for email, enter ''mozilla-thunderbird' in the emal section
[04:11] <whiskey_1> well i finally got that bitch postgres compiled for win98 but the damn thing doesn't work...something about a missing process token....screw it....i sure am glad mysql works and i haven't tried sqllite
[04:12] <whiskey_1> now i just need to get  a free program like pgaccess except for mysql and perhaps sqllite.
[04:12] <Brazmetal> claydoh, I put the full path to the firefox there, but some apps still just open links in konqueror... (e.g. thunderbird)
[04:14] <claydoh> that only controls kde applications, thunderbird is not a kde based program :(
[04:15] <Brazmetal> claydoh, so isn't there a solution?
[04:15] <claydoh> yes, I just have to look it up :)
[04:16] <whiskey_1> looks like postgres is strictly trying to make people buy the expensive MS stuff
[04:16] <Brazmetal> ok, please :)
[04:17] <whiskey_1> why the hell would they look for a process token that is probably only on the expensive MS stuff
[04:18] <gnu234>   32-bit version on laptop. Streaming thru xmms works great. kde system sounds work within control centre but not "outside" of control centre. Virtual desktops etc...any   ideas please?
[04:25] <claydoh> Brazmetal: open a filebrowser windo and go to /home/your-username/.mozilla-thunderbird
[04:26] <claydoh> note the "." before mozilla-thunderbird, it is a hidden folder
[04:27] <claydoh> there should be one oddly named folder in there with your profile
[04:27] <Brazmetal> yes
[04:28] <Brazmetal> so?
[04:28] <claydoh> enter there, and follow the directions found at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22333&highlight=thunderbird
[04:28] <claydoh> start at #3
[04:29] <claydoh> right click and create a new text document called user.js
[04:30] <Brazmetal> ok
[04:30] <Brazmetal> i'm doing it
[04:30] <claydoh> open that file and enter the line 
[04:30] <claydoh> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/firefox");
[04:31] <claydoh> if that does not work change it to /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[04:31] <claydoh> and restart tbird
[04:32] <Brazmetal> ehehehe it works
[04:32] <Brazmetal> but opens in a new window... 
[04:33] <Brazmetal> And the links like the "download more extensions" in the firefox continues opening in firefox
[04:33] <claydoh> there are extensions for firefox that add preferences for tabs and windows
[04:34] <claydoh> yes, tbird extensions need to be downloaded and installed locally
[04:34] <claydoh> tbird is alittle behind firefox development wise
[04:34] <Brazmetal> yes I know
[04:35] <Brazmetal> but I had already this extension in firefox
[04:35] <claydoh> but its better than mozilla mail
[04:35] <Brazmetal> to force link to open in a new tab
[04:36] <Brazmetal> yes it is.
[04:36] <claydoh> dunno, I didn't have to hack any files to get tbird to open firefox
[04:36] <Brazmetal> I like thunderbird... I have used it in windows since the beginning
[04:36] <claydoh> but probably I had imported all my mail prefs so maybe thats why
[04:37] <claydoh> from my previous distro
[04:38] <Brazmetal> a question...
[04:38] <Brazmetal> is firefox/thunderbird made in gtk ?
[04:40] <Blissex> Brazmetal: yes.
[04:40] <Brazmetal> ahh ok.. ehehhee
[04:44] <whiskey_1> what a waste of time to compile that bitch postgres for win98
[04:50] <whiskey_1> well too bad..it looks like mysql no longer works either...the server still runs but the administrator no longer works on win98
[04:51] <whiskey_1> they must be teamed up with MS
[04:52] <Blissex> whiskey_1: MS Windows 98 is not a good server OS, and it has been dead/unsupported for a long time.
[04:54] <whiskey_1> Blissex, bullshit...it is rock stable and has been running an integrated PHP webserver for more than one month...i just need to add a nice database to have a fully integrated enterprise system
[04:54] <Blissex> whiskey_1: you will discover soon some tragic performance limitations of the MS Windows 98 TCP/IP modules...
[04:54] <whiskey_1> Blissex, you are speaking pure MS trash to get people to buy the expensive stuff with activation crap and drm shit
[04:55] <whiskey_1> Blissex, they have not given me any problems
[04:55] <whiskey_1> Blissex, but you do need the tcp2 stack mod
[04:55] <Blissex> whiskey_1: you can install GNU/Linux or freeBSD instead if the goal is a nice server, of course.
[04:56] <Blissex> whiskey_1: and the MS Windows 2000 is ok and does not have the unnice problems of XP or 2003.
[04:56] <whiskey_1> Blissex, yes i can easily do that with gentoo....but i dont' give a crap about web servers or enterprise stuff....i just want to make it all work for free for the people who already bought win98
[04:56] <Blissex> whiskey_1: that's a very bad idea. By doing that you add value to MS operating systems...
[04:56] <whiskey_1> Blissex, so they dont' have to buy MS office or any of that expensive enterprise stuff
[04:56] <Blissex> whiskey_1: just like things like Cygwin.
[04:57] <whiskey_1> Blissex, fuck Cygwin...it is a commercial product
[04:57] <Blissex> whiskey_1: but then they still buy MS platforms oses. and Cygwin is a fully free opensource thingie you can just download, totally GPLed.
[04:57] <Blissex> whiskey_1: problem is, it makes the idea of buying MS operating systems more attractive.
[04:58] <Blissex> whiskey_1: consider the lalternative:
[04:58] <whiskey_1> Blissex, well i don't need or use cygwin...nope this is for people who already paid for win98
[04:58] <whiskey_1> Blissex, so they can run all their enterprise and office software legally for free
[05:07] <nate_> hey, do 802.11g cards work with 802.11b APs?
[05:36] <Brazmetal> hey, how could I activate the automount of cd-roms in kubuntu?
[05:45] <kkathman> anyone around?
[05:45] <chavo> hey kkathman 
[05:45] <kkathman> howdy chavo :)
[05:45] <Brazmetal> hey, how could I activate the automount of cd-roms in kubuntu?
[05:46] <kkathman> quiet out there :)
[05:46] <chavo> yes it is, I've been playing some ET most of the day.
[05:46] <kkathman> great!
[05:47] <chavo> I finally got around to downloading it and trying it out.
[05:47] <kkathman> Brazmetal: My CD-Rom automounts and I didnt have to do anything..came that way out of install
[05:47] <Brazmetal> yes...
[05:48] <Brazmetal> in the beginning that worked
[05:48] <Brazmetal> but now I have to mount...
[05:48] <Brazmetal> Is it a fstab issue?
[05:48] <kkathman> well it should be in your fstab yes
[05:49] <Brazmetal> is that the "noauto" tag
[05:49] <Brazmetal> ?
[05:49] <Brazmetal> It must be "auto" to automound ?
[05:49] <kkathman> something like this:
[05:49] <kkathman> this:  /dev/hdc                   /media/cdrom0       udf,iso9660 rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:50] <kkathman> dont put the "this" there :)
[05:50] <kkathman> hehe
[05:50] <Brazmetal> yes, mine is just like ours
[05:50] <Brazmetal> ah
[05:50] <kkathman> that should do it then
[05:50] <Brazmetal> I have to put "this" before the line?
[05:50] <kkathman> no no
[05:50] <Brazmetal> ah.
[05:50] <Brazmetal> eeehhehee
[05:51] <Brazmetal> man, but what in this line tells the system to automount cd-roms ?
[05:52] <kkathman> when I put an audio disk in mine, I get a new icon on the screen and it mounts
[05:52] <kkathman> I didnt change anything from what was installed
[05:52] <kkathman> maybe chavo knows
[05:52] <Brazmetal> when I mount a cdrom, manually in the terminal
[05:53] <Brazmetal> a new icon appears in the desktop..
[05:53] <Brazmetal> but just putting the cd in the drive, nothing happens
[05:54] <chavo> works for me too, don't know what could be wrong Brazmetal 
[05:54] <Brazmetal> ok
[05:55] <Brazmetal> kkathman, I've realized that it just don't work with one o my cd-rom drives... with the other it works perfectly
[05:55] <kkathman> hmmm well thats possible I suppose
[05:56] <kkathman> but Im definitely not a reliable source for hardware probs
[05:56] <Brazmetal> but the their fstab entries are the same
[05:56] <kkathman> KaiL is, but I dont think he's around
[05:56] <kkathman> chavo might be too
[05:57] <Brazmetal> hhaha
[05:57] <Brazmetal> I've got the solutin..
[05:57] <Brazmetal> in kcontrol ehehe
[05:57] <kkathman> really?
[05:57] <Kisain> how do i find a list f installed pagages on my system?/
[05:58] <Brazmetal> thanx anyway :D
[05:58] <kkathman> Kisain: Synaptic is prolly the best
[05:58] <Kisain> k
[05:58] <kkathman> but there is some apt command that will show you too, but its kinda cryptic
[05:59] <chavo> dpkg -l will list all installed packages
[05:59] <chavo> but synaptic is nice also.
[06:01] <CellarDoor> greetings kubuntusers
[06:02] <CellarDoor> I got a question
[06:02] <CellarDoor> my fonts look awful and I'm still unclear on what exactly I need to do to fix that
[06:02] <kkathman> go for it 
[06:03] <CellarDoor> anti-alaising is on
[06:03] <kkathman> chavo is that option an "L" or "I" ?
[06:03] <chavo> lower case "L"
[06:03] <CellarDoor> chavo ?
[06:04] <CellarDoor> iyam a n00b also :P
[06:04] <kkathman> CellarDoor: I'd change your font to Bitstream Vera Sans and make sure antialiasing is on
[06:04] <kkathman> you change it in Control Center and can change it in some individual apps
[06:05] <kkathman> Control Center -> Appearance & Themes
[06:05] <CellarDoor> yeah but shouldn't all my fonts look decent ?
[06:05] <chavo> antialiasing looks beautiful on my screen.
[06:05] <chavo> CellarDoor, was antialiasing off at first?
[06:05] <CellarDoor> no its on
[06:06] <kkathman> I also configured the antialiasing to have Full BGR
[06:06] <chavo> kkathman, greyscale full looks the best here, to me.
[06:07] <kkathman> chavo really?? I'll try that :)
[06:07] <CellarDoor> doh
[06:07] <kkathman> try it both ways..see how you like it
[06:07] <chavo> Maybe it's my eyes or my screen, but I prefer it.
[06:08] <kkathman> well Linux does have a ways to go to get their fonts up to snuff :)
[06:08] <CellarDoor> ooh full bgr made them all shimmery and nasty on the eyes, like 3d glasses stuff
[06:08] <kkathman> I have a flat panel LCD screen so maybe theres a difference betwee this and a CRT monitor
[06:09] <CellarDoor> my fonts still look pretty ordinary
[06:09] <chavo> kkathman, for screen fonts linux is there.
[06:09] <chavo> I've got an LCD also.
[06:09] <kkathman> yeah the screen fonts arent too bad, but like Internet web sites are kinda coming up short
[06:10] <chavo> kkathman, I set all fonts on web sites to bitstream vera sans also.
[06:10] <kkathman> right..it just seems to be the cleanest
[06:10] <brdweb> evening all
[06:10] <chavo> howdy
[06:11] <CellarDoor> hi
[06:11] <kkathman> hello brdweb  :)
[06:12] <CellarDoor> I dunno, I'll keep searching for an answer
[06:12] <kkathman> yeah, you have to hand it to Microsoft, thats one thing they did right...get their fonts all nice
[06:12] <brdweb> what's a good way to improve the look of gtk1 apps in kubuntu?
[06:12] <kkathman> I tried using the MS fonts in linux and its just not the same
[06:13] <kkathman> brdweb: uhm...use the KDE equivalent?
[06:13] <kkathman> lol
[06:13] <brdweb> lol
[06:13] <kkathman> I know slap me now
[06:13] <brdweb> there really aren't good equilivants for xchat and pan though ;)
[06:13] <kkathman> seriously I do use most KDE apps
[06:13] <kkathman> brdweb: have you tried Konversation...its superior to xchat I think
[06:14] <brdweb> as do I... other than those two gaim, and synaptic, all i use are KDE
[06:14] <CellarDoor> I have found Konversation to be quite good after just a little bit of getting used to
[06:14] <brdweb> i might have... awhile ago
[06:14] <kkathman> Konv is more like mIRC on Windows than Xchat 
[06:14] <CellarDoor> Kaffeine is improving steadily
[06:14] <kkathman> I toggle between Kopete and GAIM
[06:15] <CellarDoor> haha I have a friend who uses mirc on windows who thinks Konv is more like xchat
[06:15] <brdweb> i use gaim on my windows box as well so it's a more familiar interface
[06:15] <kkathman> CellarDoor: hehe..well they are similar
[06:15] <kkathman> I used trillian on Windows
[06:16] <kkathman> Seriously you should at least give Konversation a try...its nice, and stable
[06:16] <brdweb> ok, here's another question. how the heck do you use an ipod with amarok? i sync fine with gtkpod but only just noticed the music player part in amarok
[06:16] <chavo> what version of konversation is in hoary?
[06:16] <kkathman> and Konsole as your shell app
[06:16] <CellarDoor> 0.16
[06:16] <kkathman> yes 0.15 # 3000
[06:17] <kkathman> there may be an update on their site
[06:17] <chavo> ok cool
[06:17] <kkathman> I recently got the new GAIM and compiled it
[06:17] <chavo> I build my own KDE
[06:17] <kkathman> but I didnt see much difference
[06:17] <CellarDoor> I used xchat for ages... If Konversation can lure me away it must be good
[06:17] <kkathman> Kopete has some nice features that GAIM does not
[06:18] <chavo> so I've got 0.18 #3013
[06:18] <kkathman> CellarDoor: hey what the heck...give it a try for like 5 days...and play with it..see if you like it..you can always go back
[06:18] <chavo> not much different than .16 though
[06:18] <CellarDoor> hehe yeah
[06:18] <brdweb> i used the one script from the forums that gets the newer version of the openoffice 2 beta... very nice
[06:18] <chavo> but .15 - .16 was a big improvement
[06:18] <kkathman> chavo where did you get that version?
[06:18] <chavo> kkathman, from cvs
[06:18] <kkathman> ahhh I need to learn more about cvs
[06:18] <CellarDoor> kkathman, I'm already using Konversation
[06:19] <chavo> well kde just switched to svn
[06:19] <kkathman> but I thought that CVS was for the developers only
[06:19] <CellarDoor> well gotta go
[06:19] <CellarDoor> cyas
[06:19] <chavo> kkathman, they have anonymous access, read only of course
[06:19] <brdweb> bye
[06:25] <kkathman> wow
[06:26] <kkathman> The Macs annihilated Houston tonight by 40 points....geez thats a true a** kicking :)
[06:28] <Diablo-D3> go OSX!
[06:31] <kkathman> lol
[06:32] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: did that guy come and talk to you about his problem downloading msttcorefonts?
[06:32] <Diablo-D3> no
[06:32] <kkathman> I swear I think he didnt quite get how to set up his sources.list
[06:33] <Diablo-D3> yeah really
[06:33] <Diablo-D3> apt-fucking-get fuckinginstall fuckingmsttcorefuckingfonts
[06:33] <kkathman> he kept saying that when he would do an apt-get it was going off over to sourceforge to get them
[06:33] <kkathman> I did it myself and had no problem...so I gave him my sources.list...and he still said it was going to sourceforge
[06:34] <kkathman> at that point...Im thinking that there are some challenges on the other end
[06:34] <Diablo-D3> like crack.
[06:35] <kkathman> uhmm yeah something impairing general good mental health for sure
[06:48] <kkathman> brdweb:  welcome back
[06:48] <brdweb> ok, i've reinstalled konversaton and am now testing it out
[06:49] <kkathman> great
[06:49] <brdweb> i suppose that it's better than the last time i tried it... or else, what's the other KDE irc app?
[06:52] <kkathman> I dont know of another one
[06:52] <brdweb> i'm pretty sure there was / is but heck who knows? :)
[06:52] <kkathman> hmmm
[06:52] <brdweb> it doesn't really matter
[06:52] <kkathman> irc?
[06:53] <brdweb> is there a way to put the channel tabs at the top?
[06:54] <kkathman> check the settings, under tabs...its a check box to put it at the top
[06:55] <kkathman> just uncheck it
[06:55] <brdweb> ah, ok got it
[06:55] <kkathman> you can expand or contract the channel name list on the right
[06:55] <kkathman> I usually keep mine closed
[06:57] <whappd> Is it possible to move from Ubuntu to Kubuntu without reformatting my hdd?
[06:57] <kkathman> whappd yes
[06:58] <kkathman> whappd: if you have hoary installed
[06:58] <whappd> kkathman, any documentation you can point me towards?
[06:58] <whappd> yep, i have hoary
[06:58] <whappd> (5.04)
[06:58] <kkathman> just do a sudo apt-get update, and then a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <kkathman> just make sure your /et/apt sources.list file is in good shape
[06:59] <kkathman> oops /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:59] <kkathman> i.e be sure to comment out the CD-ROM repo at the top, and uncomment out the others
[07:00] <whappd> what CD-ROM repo? 
[07:01] <whappd> i think I got rid of that.
[07:01] <kkathman> if you did good
[07:01] <whappd> (it'd still be in my sources.list.backup, i think)
[07:01] <kkathman> when you first install thats there
[07:01] <whappd> but i think i got rid of it when i added repos
[07:01] <kkathman> uncomment out the other lines for multiverse and universe
[07:02] <kkathman> good...then you wont have a problem with installing
[07:02] <kkathman> its very painless and simple
[07:02] <Diablo-D3> I have to remember to add multiverse
[07:02] <kkathman> once you are done, simply log out and log back in to KDE/Kubuntu
[07:02] <whappd> okay.
[07:02] <whappd> then on to the most daunting task: wireless.
[07:03] <kkathman> one word..ndiswrapper
[07:03] <kkathman> hehe
[07:03] <whappd> eh.
[07:03] <whappd> my wireless card WORKS.
[07:03] <kkathman> good
[07:03] <whappd> (which is awesome --- ipw2200 was a real pain under gentoo)
[07:03] <whappd> but the issue is switching between networks
[07:03] <kkathman> we aim to please
[07:03] <whappd> my home wifi and school wifi are set up vastly different.
[07:03] <whappd> and this laptop is set up solely for the school one, atm.
[07:04] <kkathman> yeah prolly different keys
[07:04] <brdweb> hmm, i think kwifimanager might be able to keep all your settings for the networks separate... i can't remember
[07:04] <Bicchi> i used to be able to switch desktops by clicking on an icon in the taskbar that show my desktop. this icon has dissapeared, how can i put it back.
[07:04] <whappd> kkathman, not diff keys -- one has keys, one is MAC-based.
[07:05] <kkathman> Bicchi...your desktops icons are gone?
[07:05] <whappd> brdweb, yeah, i'll look into kwifimanager
[07:05] <whappd> thanks
[07:05] <Diablo-D3> http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/was-google-hacked-102642.php
[07:05] <Diablo-D3> wtf man
[07:05] <Bicchi> kkathman: no, on my taskbar i used to have a an icon that showed my desktop. i used to click on the icon and open a new desktop.
[07:05] <Bicchi> kkathman: like having multiple desktops. i am not sure what this is called.
[07:06] <Bicchi> kkathman: i think is called virtual desktops
[07:06] <kkathman> well you can add back the desktops by right clicking the kicker, add to panel, applet, desktops
[07:07] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: hmmmmm ooops
[07:07] <kkathman> Bill gates is paying bonuses to people who can hack Google's site
[07:07] <kkathman> Bicchi try what I said, and see if thats what you need
[07:07] <Bicchi> kkathman: yeah i am looking
[07:10] <Bicchi> kkathman: i could not find it. let me tell you what it is. right click on the desktop, then configure desktop, then multiple Desktop.
[07:11] <kkathman> Bicchi: yes thats what I was telling you about
[07:11] <Bicchi> kkathman: i am talking about been able to switch from desktop to another. i not sure the right name for this. i just lost it from the taskbar
[07:12] <ice_1963> =)
[07:13] <kkathman> right click on the kicker/toolbar...choose Add to Panel, then choose Applet, then choose Desktop previewer and pager
[07:13] <Bicchi> kkathman: got it, thanks
[07:13] <kkathman> then you can right click on that and get that same screen you just told me about
[07:21] <smouche> hello
[07:24] <kkathman> Diablo-D3:  you still here?
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> I am always here.
[07:28] <whiskey_1> damn that glib is some circular shit to get compiled on win98...what a bitch
[07:28] <whiskey_1> first you have to do pkgconfig the glib...but first you have to do glib then pkgconfig.....whoever made that shit up
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> an idiot
[07:29] <kkathman> Hey Diablo-D3 do you know anything about getting sensor stuff and getting it into superkaramba themes...I doubt you use SK, but just wondered if you might know
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> I dont use sk
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> desktop clutter == bad
[07:30] <kkathman> lol..ok..well thought you might know
[07:30] <kkathman> thanks anyway
[07:33] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, idiot is right....why on earth would someone implement circular reasoning
[07:34] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, although i guess you could compile one on linux first and then move it to win98
[07:34] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, but it is some circular shit on win98
[07:40] <whiskey_1> you know the funny thing is that i could just take some subroutines out of the libraries and put them in the program code and compile the whole thing with a windows compiler and sell it for money and gnu could never prove that it was theirs if i changed the code a little.....but i would not do that....it is just a risk that it could be done
[07:44] <whappd> well. KDE works just fine. kkathman, thanks.
[07:44] <whappd> wireless, on the other hand... well, i think i'll fight with that on monday.
[07:45] <kkathman> whappd:  good luck you'll have fun tweaking it :)
[07:45] <whappd> haha.
[07:45] <whappd> yeah.
[07:45] <whappd> fun :P
[07:45] <kkathman> you actually did it the RIGHT way...installing hoary first then doing the kubuntu apt-get
[07:45] <whappd> oh: one more thing. any experience getting OpenGL/FireGL to work?
[07:48] <whappd> and time to uninstall gnome.
[07:48] <whappd> he.h
[07:49] <benplaut> how on earth can i get rid of those annoying 'tips' that pop up as a rollover over every icon?!?
[07:52] <kanuha> benplaut: go to configure panel then to appearance and uncheck "Enable icon mouseover effects"
[07:52] <whiskey_1> whappd|zzz, you want to uninstall gnome?....are you tired of that dern gnome-help not working at all
[07:52] <whiskey_1> whappd|zzz, because of some mysterious DSO error
[07:52] <whappd|zzz> whiskey_1, it's not really useful to me to have it on my system.
[07:53] <whappd|zzz> i've used Gentoo since Oct 03, and just moved over to K/Ubuntu yesterday...and in that year and a half, i've never had any use for Gnome.
[07:54] <benplaut> kanuha: thanks
[07:56] <kkathman> hey Diablo-D3 another question, for sites that mandate like windows media player, is there anything tha we can do as plugins for the browers or are we kinda SOL
[07:56] <kanuha> benplaut: np
[07:57] <whappd|zzz> kkathman, there are plugins that can do it.
[07:57] <kkathman> really?? for linux-based browsers?
[07:57] <kkathman> kewl
[07:57] <whappd|zzz> i'm pretty sure that you can install WMP under Wine/CXO and it will integrate a plugin into Firefox
[07:57] <kkathman> I figured that the answer would be no
[07:57] <whappd|zzz> i'm not sure about others.
[07:58] <kkathman> hmm I'll check that out
[07:58] <whappd|zzz> i know there are one or two different methods for quicktime, i'd assume that it exists with WMP
[07:59] <kanuha> mplayer has plugins for windows formats and there is a firefor plugin for mplayer
[08:00] <smouche> that plug-in is horrible
[08:01] <kkathman> well Im off to bed...nighters all
[08:02] <kanuha> so far its worked for me, although I haven't had much use for it yet.
[08:04] <Diablo-D3> kka.. grr
[08:04] <Diablo-D3> is there a planet ubuntu?
[08:11] <whiskey_1> ok well i finally got past that circular stuff....what a headaches
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> did it involve installing a binary?
[08:12] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, no i used gettext and disable option and then redid back with enable
[08:12] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, so i had to do things twice
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> thats...
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> whats the word I'm looking for
[08:13] <Diablo-D3> 'gay'.
[08:13] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, well what else can you do...they did not have a build on glib2.6 or pkg-config 0.15
[08:13] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, the only build they had was the old 2.4
[08:13] <Diablo-D3> I can apt-get install glib and pkg-config.
[08:14] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, yes well apt-get packages will not work easily on win98
[08:14] <Diablo-D3> and that is my fault how?
[08:15] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, never said it was your fault...just said it was a headache because of the circularity
[08:15] <Diablo-D3> I was implying it was your fault for using windows in the first place ;)
[08:16] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, well i had to pay for the damn thing...and so did a lot of others....so we might as well make their spent money useful since at the time...they had no other choice
[08:17] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, so we will just get all the desktop and enterprise stuff working on it for free and let them have it....since they already lost their money because at the time there was no other choice
[08:17] <Diablo-D3> that doesnt stop me from laughing
[08:24] <benplaut> OK, i guess i'll switch back to Gnome
[08:25] <Diablo-D3> was that a threat?
[08:25] <Diablo-D3> dam he left
[08:33] <spektr> Hi, I have a question about KWallet's security: when e.g. KMail wants to obtain a password, kwallet asks me whether I'd like to grant access to the program "kmail". Now what if spyware claims to be "kmail"? How do I know that kmail is really kmail?
[08:34] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> ask in #kde-devel
[08:35] <Diablo-D3> thats a pretty interesting question
[08:36] <spektr> I can't think of a way to make this really reliable
[08:36] <spektr> tnx, I'll try it on kde-devel, too
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> man
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> I wish ubuntu-base didnt require postfix
[09:14] <crimsun> postfix is being removed
[09:15] <transgress> woo hello
[09:15] <crimsun> (from -base, that is)
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: good, so its just requiring some mta?
[09:16] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: the plan was to dispense with a MTA Depends altogether
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> ahh thats good too
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: actually, Im glad they're taking my suggestion
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is a desktop distro, and the average user doesnt need an mta
[09:19] <transgress> ummm okay so i tried mounting this dvd... and it's been going for about 5 minutes now... but still hasn't mounted... and won't die... any suggestions
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> reboot
[09:20] <pussfeller> why would you wanna remove postfix
[09:21] <transgress> cuz
[09:21] <Diablo-D3> because it fucking sucks
[09:21] <pussfeller> ubuntu used to use sendmail and you had to upgrade to postifix
[09:21] <pussfeller> comared to what
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> exim
[09:22] <pussfeller> bleh
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> exim > postfix > * > sendmail
[09:25] <whiskey_1> i don't know which i like better linux or win98...that win98 is so simple...and linux is not quite ready.
[09:26] <pussfeller> wtf
[09:26] <pussfeller> win98 like defines not quite ready
[09:26] <whiskey_1> i went to compile some more files for win98 and found out that the whole world already has all the files compiled for win98
[09:27] <pussfeller> and MS made millions off it
[09:27] <Diablo-D3> win98 wasnt ready when it shipped
[09:27] <pussfeller> make that billions
[09:27] <Diablo-D3> thats why you cant even use it until you upgrade it to whats in second edition
[09:27] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, well the SE is still not enough...there is a very important sp2rc3 that needs to also go in there
[09:27] <Diablo-D3> and even then, its no win2k.
[09:27] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, and some security stuff...if that really matters
[09:28] <pussfeller> if i was bill gates, i would have been ashamed to leave the house over win98
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> win2k is basically the best release of windows ever
[09:28] <Diablo-D3> its NT + the win98 desktop.
[09:28] <whiskey_1> hey that damn win98 is efficient and fast booting....the damn 2k isn't worth a shit
[09:28] <pussfeller> heh
[09:28] <spektr> whiskey_1: my C64 boots faster
[09:29] <pussfeller> my palm boots faster than y'all
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> win2k boots faster on high memory machines
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> thats really the only issue with win2k
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> if you dont have atleast 128 megs, dont both
[09:29] <Diablo-D3> *bother
[09:29] <pussfeller> i think xp is ok once you make it look like win2k
[09:30] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, fuck win2k...my dad bought a copy of NT and it was the biggest waste of money ever
[09:30] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, that damn thing takes 1 hour to boot
[09:30] <pussfeller> nt isnt win2k, nt was MS trying to be unix
[09:30] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: lets try again.
[09:30] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: win2k and xp are both NT5.
[09:30] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: they do not use the 9x core.
[09:31] <pussfeller> its still not 2k :)
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> whiskey_1: 1 hour to boot on a machine it wasnt designed for.
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> and no, NT was MS trying to be VMS
[09:32] <pussfeller> in a just world, xp would have been a free upgrade
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> no
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> I dont want XP
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> its a bloated mess
[09:33] <pussfeller> they sent that thing out, made people pay billions for it, and it was swiss cheese!
[09:34] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, screw xp....i would rather keep my win98....xp is expensive and has the activation crap and drm stuff
[09:34] <whiskey_1> and probably takes 1 hour to boot like nt
[09:34] <pussfeller> actually, it boots really fast
[09:35] <pussfeller> i find it mind boggling that xp home doesnt have passworded shares
[09:35] <pussfeller> thats what gets me
[09:36] <pussfeller> i just don't understand the mindset I guess
[09:38] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, what the hell does anybody need that shit for if they just want to listen to music or watch tv or a movie or talk long distance on the computer...
[09:38] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, nobody needs that password shit and all that security crap
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> yeah really
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> use a firewall already
[09:39] <transgress> why is slashdot down!?
[09:39] <pussfeller> cause they passes a law against stupidity
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> transgress: there you go
[09:40] <pussfeller> you should be able to password protect your shares, thats just basic
[09:40] <transgress> ummm
[09:40] <transgress> weird
[09:41] <Kisain> morning or evnin depending where ya life
[09:41] <pussfeller> but yer right whiskey_1 most people havent changed their needs as far as computers go
[09:42] <pussfeller> cept maybe digital camera wizards... those come in handy
[09:42] <Kisain> well i just found out about a new form of linux.....
[09:42] <Kisain> wel it's new to me 
[09:42] <Kisain> it's caled contrib
[09:43] <transgress> hello Kisain 
[09:43] <Kisain> mornin
[09:43] <Kisain> tryin to figure out the contribs crap
[09:44] <Kisain> whats up?
[09:46] <Kisain> you know anything about contribs transgress?
[09:47] <Kisain> i'm gonna set up another system with linux ^_^
[09:47] <pussfeller> wth is contribs
[09:47] <Kisain> this time a server so i can acess my files and my freinds can to
[09:48] <Kisain> http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/
[09:48] <Kisain> it's a server as far as i know
[09:50] <transgress> man no one is online
[09:50] <Kisain> i've been tryin to figure it out but even this version of linux is hard for a n00b
[09:50] <Kisain> O_0
[09:50] <transgress> i am in no condition to make suggestions
[09:51] <Kisain> damnit lol
[09:51] <Kisain> well i am gonna try to make a dedicated ftp server
[09:52] <Is> hey, is anyone dual booting with kubuntu?
[09:52] <Kisain> outta a pII with a 128mb ram and a 40gig hd
[09:52] <Kisain> i was tryin to but gave up :/
[09:52] <transgress> Kisain: i was trying that too
[09:52] <Is> what's the other os?
[09:53] <transgress> but the ftp kept saying "we aint' runnin bitch"
[09:53] <Kisain> i have xp set up and redy to go but i can't do it the computer just sits there
[09:53] <Kisain> almost as if it's looking for something
[09:53] <Is> kde and xp don't like each other
[09:53] <Kisain> it dosen't freeze though :/
[09:54] <transgress> rut ro
[09:55] <Kisain> huh?
[09:56] <pussfeller> Kisain, thats more than unough to run an ftp server
[09:56] <Kisain> you think?
[09:56] <Kisain> i tryed doin it on here but it sucked hard core
[09:56] <pussfeller> headless? for sure
[09:56] <Kisain> so i wiped the program lastnight
[09:57] <Kisain> and said screw it i'll just build one
[09:57] <pussfeller> i got an old k6 pos doing all sorts of stuff
[09:57] <Kisain> nice
[09:57] <pussfeller> its X that clogs up your resources on daemon stuff
[09:58] <Kisain> i was doin this becuse it seems to be an easer thig to do than to setup ftp server in kde
[09:58] <Kisain> ahhh
[09:59] <Kisain> anyone know why when i try to download a huge file it conks out
[09:59] <Kisain> @ 63.9 of 342.5 mb
[09:59] <pussfeller> are you on dial up?
[09:59] <Kisain> and just stops
[09:59] <Kisain> naw man
[09:59] <Is> you using kget?
[09:59] <pussfeller> it shouldn;t
[09:59] <Kisain> no
[09:59] <Kisain> mozilla
[10:00] <Is> why don't you use bit torrent?
[10:00] <pussfeller> http isnt the greatest for large transfers like that
[10:00] <Kisain> well it seem that there is no torrent for this type of file that i'm downloading
[10:01] <pussfeller> use konqy theres no probs downloading huge iso's with it
[10:01] <Kisain> ok
[10:01] <pussfeller> and its got ftp, sft all that built in
[10:02] <pussfeller> whats really cool is you can connect to an fto, split the window, and then hit the home button and drop and drag
[10:02] <Kisain> it's weard though i tryed like 3 diffren't ftp progs and they where so hard to configure
[10:02] <pussfeller> as a server or a client?
[10:02] <Kisain> serveer
[10:03] <Kisain> thats why i'm getting this program
[10:03] <pussfeller> thers a ton of docs about proftpd
[10:03] <pussfeller> and pure to a lessor extent
[10:03] <Kisain> well the main problem is that no one has been able to get through my router :/
[10:04] <Kisain> no matter what i do they can't get through
[10:04] <Kisain> so i might set this up as a router as well
[10:04] <Kisain> which it says you can do
[10:04] <whiskey_1> Kisain, don't feel it is probably that NAT crap
[10:05] <whiskey_1> Kisain, i have the same problem
[10:05] <Kisain> bummer any idea the cause in nat?
[10:05] <whiskey_1> Kisain, but you can transfer some stuff with skype
[10:05] <pussfeller> i would look into running your own tracker and use torrents if you wanna share files consistently
[10:05] <Kisain> yea i know it not efficiant enough though
[10:05] <pussfeller> or even ed2ks, alot better than ftp
[10:05] <Kisain> i need somethin that can blow through my router
[10:06] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well there is one way to do it but it is expensive
[10:06] <Kisain> so windows and linux users can use it
[10:06] <pussfeller> its way more efficient
[10:06] <Kisain> get another cable modem?
[10:06] <pussfeller> downloaders have to give at least alittle back
[10:06] <Kisain> thats like 70.00 a month
[10:06] <Kisain> whats the way?
[10:06] <whiskey_1> Kisain, what you can do is pay for a static ip and then use your set your address to your public ip
[10:06] <Kisain> i have a static ip
[10:07] <whiskey_1> Kisain, but it is expensive because you have to pay for a public ip every month
[10:07] <Kisain> it hasen't changed in like for ever
[10:07] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well it was about $5/mo when i was experimenting with it....and i said the hell with it
[10:07] <Kisain> actualy it hasen't changed sence i got the modem
[10:07] <Kisain> lol
[10:08] <whiskey_1> Kisain, because it was $5/mo for the ip and $30/yr for dns
[10:08] <Kisain> so how do i do this if i have multiple computers on my network
[10:08] <Kisain> ouch
[10:08] <pussfeller> you can get a free dynamic hostname at mine.nu
[10:08] <whiskey_1> Kisain, it just wasnt worth shit...nobody even used the auction server i set up
[10:08] <whiskey_1> Kisain, they all used ebay
[10:08] <Kisain> lol
[10:08] <Kisain> well this is for my family and freinds
[10:08] <Kisain> mostly for storin shit though
[10:09] <Kisain> gotta take some strain of the other systems
[10:09] <Kisain> this server os i'm gettin has free dns service built in
[10:09] <Kisain> just wish i knew how to get through the stupid router
[10:10] <Kisain> puttin the computer in the dmz don't even work
[10:10] <Kisain> i know it's a stupid thing to do but i had to try :/
[10:10] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well there is a free dns...but it is different than icann....and you have to apply for it...it is funny...your url goes something like....name/country/zip/state/...etc
[10:10] <Kisain> and it floped hard core
[10:11] <whiskey_1> Kisain, but that will only save you $30/yr....you still get screwed by the $5/mo for the ip
[10:11] <Kisain> yea this server os does somethin like that it gives you 3 free and 2 non free providers
[10:11] <Kisain> naw my ip is static
[10:11] <Kisain> it has been for every 
[10:11] <whiskey_1> Kisain, yes but you have to pay for the damn thing
[10:11] <Kisain> what?
[10:11] <Kisain> thats bull why?
[10:11] <Kisain> :/
[10:11] <Kisain> not sayn your talkin bull just that thats bull
[10:12] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well a lot of ISP's get a shitload of IP's and then lease them
[10:12] <Kisain> right
[10:12] <whiskey_1> Kisain, no it is not bull
[10:12] <Kisain> that i'd have to pay for somethin i alredy have?
[10:12] <pussfeller> what are you guys talking about.. you can get a totally free dns name and screw this static ip stuff
[10:12] <Kisain> to me thats bull lol
[10:12] <Kisain> i alredy have a static isp
[10:13] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well don't you have to pay for it
[10:13] <pussfeller> you don't need one
[10:13] <pussfeller> on most isps
[10:13] <Kisain> yea it's included in my montly cable bill
[10:13] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well screw it...it isn't worth it
[10:13] <pussfeller> all you need is a dyns dns and an updater program
[10:13] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, screw dyn dns...that cost money too
[10:14] <pussfeller> no it doesn't
[10:14] <pussfeller> its totally utterly free
[10:14] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, not when i checked
[10:14] <Kisain> to many option head gonna explode o_0
[10:14] <pussfeller> i have a  couple right now
[10:14] <pussfeller> i don't pay anything
[10:14] <Kisain> danger! danger! will robinson 
[10:14] <pussfeller> i never have
[10:15] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well i did...just to set up an auction server that would be free to everyone so i could drive ebay out of business....but the damn public would rather pay them money than use a free auction server
[10:15] <whiskey_1> Kisain, so i said the hell with it.
[10:16] <pussfeller> whiskey_1, what might be better is a LOCAL auction server 
[10:16] <pussfeller> specific to your town
[10:16] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, no...i don't think so....a limited market would only serve to jack up prices
[10:17] <Kisain> i'm not doin an auction server....i'm doin a data server
[10:17] <pussfeller> you cannot compete against ebay with just a server
[10:17] <Kisain> for freinds and family
[10:17] <pussfeller> you can compete against local newpapers tho
[10:17] <whiskey_1> pussfeller, i could have easy....but everybody would rather pay ebay money...so the hell with it
[10:18] <Kisain> i'm gettin redy to crey here whats my easyest option?
[10:18] <Kisain> cry i mean
[10:18] <Kisain> somethin that ill bust through my router hopefully
[10:18] <pussfeller> put pureftp on an headless server controlling it via ssh
[10:19] <pussfeller> and forward the ports thru your router
[10:19] <Kisain> yea that works like a fart in church
[10:19] <Kisain> i try forwardin ports and nothin
[10:19] <Kisain> no matter what i do 
[10:19] <Kisain> i even tryed puttin my box in the dmz 
[10:19] <pussfeller> or even better put a couple nics in the headless server and thats your router/data server
[10:19] <Kisain> and it diden't work :/
[10:20] <Kisain> i was gonna do that lol
[10:20] <pussfeller> you are using a store bought router?
[10:20] <Kisain> when i create this new server box i was gonna do that
[10:20] <pussfeller> those things are pretty limited
[10:20] <Kisain> yup a dlink di-604
[10:20] <Kisain> ahhhhhhhhh
[10:20] <Kisain> i see
[10:21] <pussfeller> get arnos firewall script and you dont have to mess with iptables directly
[10:21] <Kisain> yea the website for this os said that i could make this thing my network server
[10:21] <pussfeller> this is actually how most people do these things
[10:21] <Kisain> ok
[10:21] <Kisain> 2 prblems with that.......
[10:21] <Kisain> i'm a geek and i love some challenges lol
[10:22] <Kisain> i was thinking of settin this thing up as a server/router
[10:22] <Kisain> maybe that wuld make it easyer
[10:22] <Kisain> but it says i still need a hub
[10:22] <Kisain> :/
[10:22] <pussfeller> you do
[10:23] <Kisain> what would be the easyest way to do this on my box usin kubuntu
[10:23] <pussfeller> one nic goes to the internet, one connects to the switch
[10:23] <Kisain> and gettin through nat?
[10:23] <Kisain> yea i know
[10:23] <pussfeller> dont use kubuntu for that
[10:23] <pussfeller> get gentoo for a server box
[10:23] <Kisain> damnit :(
[10:23] <Kisain> i was gonna get contrib
[10:23] <pussfeller> you can, but its not what its set up for
[10:23] <Kisain> and put it on a nother computer
[10:24] <Kisain> i just wish i knew how to do this port forwarding thing
[10:25] <Kisain> all i want it to make a server so my freinds and family can share files and shit
[10:25] <Kisain> i have gigs of progs and music
[10:25] <Kisain> most of the shit is warez for windows xp
[10:25] <Kisain> and than like 5 or 6 gigs of tunes
[10:26] <Kisain> nothin speacal
[10:26] <Kisain> it's just my stupid ruter
[10:26] <Kisain> is stoppin all the fun :(
[10:26] <Kisain> makes my life a livin hell
[10:26] <pussfeller> http://rocky.molphys.leidenuniv.nl/
[10:28] <Kisain> and this is?
[10:29] <Kisain> i'm still wonderin what this is lol
[10:29] <Kisain> a program a how to what lol
[10:30] <Kisain> is it an easy soulution?
[10:31] <whiskey_1> Kisain, yes well don't feel bad..i have the same problem...but you can use the free skype to get your data out
[10:34] <whiskey_1> Kisain, i also have a router without that NAT crap....but i never could figure out how to get the virtual wan shit in it working
[10:34] <Kisain> they need to make a router for normal people like us lol
[10:34] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well the hell with it...i just use skype.
[10:35] <whiskey_1> Kisain, or for small files..email
[10:36] <whiskey_1> Kisain,  i have often wondered if they added file transfer to gaim...could it do what skype does
[10:36] <Kisain> hmm maybe
[10:36] <whiskey_1> Kisain, or would it just be like another IRC failure
[10:36] <Kisain> well i donloaded the iso on my windows machene
[10:36] <Kisain> lol
[10:37] <Kisain> and i'm gonna burn it to disk
[10:37] <Kisain> you all wanna help test it once it's done?
[10:37] <whiskey_1> Kisain, what iso
[10:37] <Kisain> for that server linux os
[10:37] <transgress> wow that was definitely a good buzz
[10:37] <Kisain> i have a exstra computer so 
[10:38] <whiskey_1> Kisain, oh...you mean that free enterprise stuff like WhiteBox or Gentoo  Enterprise or CentOS
[10:38] <Kisain> i fugured what the heck
[10:38] <whiskey_1> Kisain, who needs all that shit
[10:38] <Kisain> no it called contrib
[10:38] <Kisain> me ^_^
[10:38] <Kisain> lol
[10:38] <Kisain> if it works than others can do it to
[10:39] <whiskey_1> Kisain, nobody wants it
[10:39] <Kisain> yea i know no one wants it
[10:39] <Kisain> i just happen to be no one lol
[10:39] <whiskey_1> Kisain, people are not stupid to be misled like ignorant fools by clever words like ENTERPRISE
[10:39] <Kisain> don't care for the word my self
[10:39] <Kisain> unless it's star trek
[10:40] <Kisain> ok i'm just doin it cause i have some time on my hands and it would be interesting to see if it works
[10:40] <whiskey_1> Kisain, everybody i know is just using win98 because they can listen to music, watch videos, play games, transer data, communicate....they don't want anything else
[10:41] <Kisain> yea i know win 98 was cool
[10:41] <whiskey_1> Kisain, they are not stupid
[10:41] <Kisain> than i went and got xp :/
[10:41] <whiskey_1> Kisain, that was very foolish...now you will be mutilated by that activation crap and drm stuff
[10:41] <Kisain> i never said anything about people bein stupid
[10:41] <Kisain> oh do i know
[10:42] <Kisain> but at the time like most people who switched to xp i was niave
[10:42] <Kisain> and takin in by the apparently svelt look
[10:42] <Kisain> not realizing the programmin was shit
[10:42] <whiskey_1> Kisain, it is a damn unix kernel...so fuck it
[10:42] <Kisain> huh?/
[10:42] <whiskey_1> Kisain, it is not worth a shit and takes 1 hour to boot
[10:43] <Kisain> unix is that bad?
[10:43] <whiskey_1> Kisain, it is the worst thing ever designed
[10:43] <Kisain> how can you tell it's unix?
[10:43] <whiskey_1> Kisain, passwords.....non-root users....all kinds of stupid shit
[10:43] <Kisain> i'm a noob so i'm askin for future refrence
[10:43] <Kisain> lol
[10:49] <whiskey_1> and really you don't even need upper and lower case to confuse things
[10:49] <whiskey_1> that is why everybody is still using win98
[10:49] <Kisain> so the server program i wanna use i made from unix?
[10:50] <whiskey_1> Kisain, you don't need unix for a serer.....i have one running on win98 for more than one month without  a reboot
[10:50] <Kisain> wow
[10:50] <whiskey_1> Kisain, so you don't need all that stupid shit that takes one hour to reboot
[10:51] <whiskey_1> Kisain, of course i don't broadcast the server...because i don't want to pay for a public ip
[10:51] <Kisain> i have a static ip though it's included in my service
[10:52] <whiskey_1> Kisain, but you don't need all that stupid shit....of course on the other hand linux is free so if it takes a long time to boot...who cares...it did not cost anything anyway
[10:52] <Kisain> there ya go the light at the end.......
[10:52] <Kisain> shit it's a train run!
[10:52] <Kisain> lol
[10:53] <Kisain> i figured it's free there are businesses usin it including a few home users
[10:53] <Kisain> what have i got to loose ya know
[10:53] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well they use it because they don't want to pay one dime for anything
[10:53] <Kisain> the computers just sitting in the basement collectin dust
[10:54] <whiskey_1> Kisain, a lot of business like to keep their costs down and their revenues up
[10:54] <Kisain> true
[10:54] <Kisain> i just want it cause it's easy to config
[10:54] <whiskey_1> Kisain, they don't like the shit either....but since it is free they don't care about the bad points
[10:54] <Kisain> and is in my opinion somewhat secure
[10:54] <Kisain> ahhh i see
[10:55] <whiskey_1> Kisain, screw security....that is just a buzzword to lure idiots to NIX platforms
[10:55] <Kisain> i think i'm gonna give it a try anyway just to see you never know maybe it will be somethin good
[10:55] <Kisain> or usable at least
[10:55] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well its free...so don't bitch
[10:55] <Kisain> or it could fry my system burn out my network and crash all my computers
[10:56] <Kisain> naw i ant gonna bitch free is good for a porr sap like me
[10:56] <Kisain> lol
[10:56] <Kisain> but if it works and get through my router
[10:57] <Kisain> than it amy be an option for others
[10:57] <Kisain> at least i'll have some experiance with it at the least
[10:57] <Kisain> and the worst that could happen it fries an alredy obsolete and un upgradable system
[10:58] <Kisain> what have i got to loose?
[10:58] <Kisain> the computer is a compaq deskpro
[11:07] <Kisain> well here it goes
[11:08] <Kisain> just burnt the disk to cd-rw just in case i don't like it
[11:08] <Kisain> i don't waste a disk lol
[11:09] <whiskey_1> Kisain, what is it that you think will get through the router
[11:09] <Kisain> the ability to have people access my server
[11:09] <whiskey_1> Kisain, no...what program
[11:09] <whiskey_1> Kisain, what did you download
[11:10] <Kisain> http://contribs.org/modules/phpwiki/
[11:10] <Kisain> there it is
[11:10] <Kisain> i'm hopin it works i'm crossin my fingers
[11:11] <Kisain> preparing an hd now
[11:11] <Kisain> lol
[11:11] <Kisain> that website your lookin at is hosted on there own program
[11:11] <Kisain> so i gusse it must work lol
[11:12] <Kisain> and if it ruins my machene oh well i wasen't needen it anyway for anything lol
[11:12] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well i don't know how it will turn a private ip into a public routable ip without some sort  of encapsulation
[11:12] <whiskey_1> Kisain, but well who knows
[11:13] <Kisain> well if it works than maybe it will be good for other linux users in my situation
[11:13] <Kisain> and considring i got this version of linux (ubuntu/kubuntu for free i would consider it as 
[11:13] <Kisain> givin somethin back to the community
[11:14] <Kisain> ^_^
[11:15] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well i doubt it...because no linux users want a web server.....they want a free desktop
[11:15] <yahalom>  can someone help me setup my adsl plz? i thought i did it right, but it wont work
[11:15] <Kisain> :/ diden't think of that lol
[11:15] <Kisain> how are you connectin to here ?
[11:16] <yahalom> Kisain, cable
[11:16] <Kisain> ahhhh
[11:16] <Kisain> i see
[11:16] <yahalom> Kisain, i have both, i'm thinking of switching to adsl
[11:16] <Kisain> is it better?
[11:16] <yahalom> Kisain, cheaper and more reliable
[11:16] <yahalom> Kisain, not as much traffic
[11:16] <yahalom> Kisain, u have adsl?
[11:16] <Kisain> oh wow but it runs through your phone line right?
[11:16] <yahalom> Kisain, yes
[11:17] <Kisain> no i have cable modem and t3
[11:17] <yahalom> Kisain, cable uses one "path" for all speeds" adsl has individual "paths" for each speed
[11:17] <Kisain> weard
[11:17] <Kisain> it actually costs more for adsl up here than cable :/
[11:18] <Kisain> but i got a 5mb connect with mine ^_^
[11:18] <yahalom> i'm payign double for cable for 3.0mb
[11:18] <Kisain> and i got a t3 to boot
[11:18] <yahalom> while with adsl i get 2.0mb
[11:18] <Kisain> nice
[11:18] <yahalom> t3 is how fast? really fast no?
[11:18] <Kisain> i wish i could help ya man but i have never had adsl
[11:18] <Kisain> :(
[11:18] <Kisain> but it sounds neat
[11:18] <yahalom> Kisain, well i got this book and it says stuff i need to change but i dont have those files
[11:19] <Kisain> is the book for windows or linux?
[11:19] <yahalom> etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
[11:19] <yahalom> ??
[11:19] <yahalom> Kisain, linux
[11:19] <Kisain> and your usin ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:19] <yahalom> Kisain, i dont have that dir
[11:19] <Kisain> hmmm weard
[11:19] <yahalom> Kisain, both
[11:19] <Kisain> i just started linux myself 
[11:20] <Kisain> i'm pritty shure that if the box needed those files it should alredy have them
[11:20] <Kisain> maybe your missin a driver or somethin?
[11:20] <Kisain> may be ubuntu missed the driveropon setup?
[11:21] <yahalom> dunno
[11:21] <Kisain> i would suppose that with any os it would be possible
[11:22] <Kisain> whats the command to tell whats takin up so much of your cpu?
[11:22] <Kisain> cause somethins hoogin 50% of my cpu :(
[11:23] <yahalom> top
[11:25] <Kisain> why is wish takin 50% of my cpu?
[11:25] <Kisain> is it safe to kill it?
[11:25] <Kisain> lol
[11:27] <yahalom> Kisain, what is taking 50%?
[11:27] <Kisain> wish
[11:28] <yahalom> ?
[11:28] <Kisain> it's called wish
[11:28] <Kisain> the program
[11:28] <Kisain> don't know what it does but well find out if it's important lol
[11:29] <Kisain> brb
[11:30] <Kisain> i think it was important lol
[11:30] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well i think adsl is way too expensive....when my 1 year contract is up ...i am getting rid of it......there is nothing to download hardly except stuff which will break the law....so there is no point in adsl
[11:31] <whiskey_1> only a couple of linux distros are worth downloading and they only change every year or so.....so you don't need adsl
[11:32] <whiskey_1> just about everything else is illegal in the US
[11:35] <buz> i primarily got cable because i need always on connectivity
[11:35] <buz> and really, 56k is unbearable even in the web these days
[11:35] <whiskey_1> buz, what for....why run up your electric bill
[11:35] <buz> i'd say at least 12h day someone in the house uses the pipe
[11:35] <whiskey_1> buz, most people like to shut down their computers and save on their electric and they want a fast boot up when they are ready to use it
[11:36] <buz> i can still do that
[11:36] <buz> all things considered ,cable is vastly cheaper for me than 56k
[11:36] <whiskey_1> buz, well that is interesting...well if adsl is for you...i am not the one to stop you....but it is not for me
[11:37] <buz> when was the last time you surfed with 56k?
[11:37] <whiskey_1> buz, i think it is a waste of money
[11:37] <buz> trust me, it's a pain
[11:37] <buz> well if you live in a country were local phone is free...
[11:37] <whiskey_1> buz, i used to surf all the time with lynx...it never gave me a problem
[11:37] <whiskey_1> buz, and i don't give a crap about all the stupid graphics
[11:38] <Kisain> back
[11:39] <whiskey_1> buz, i just use lynx to skip past the crap and get to the subject matter and download what is necessary and be done with it
[11:39] <whiskey_1> buz, i kind of miss archie...becuase it used to tell me quickly where to find things
[11:39] <buz> well personally i couldn't stand to wait 15min for a pdf to download
[11:39] <whiskey_1> buz, but anyway freshmeat keeps up with the stuf
[11:39] <whiskey_1> buz, who wants a pdf
[11:40] <buz> just about everyone who needs the content in there
[11:40] <whiskey_1> buz, or any doc for that matter...their eyes are going and they can't read anymore
[11:40] <whiskey_1> buz, so who really wants that shit
[11:40] <buz> and good look updating your system over 56k
[11:40] <buz> even a firefox update is gonna take an hour
[11:41] <buz> but to each his own
[11:41] <Kisain> i have a ? how to get skype?
[11:41] <whiskey_1> buz, i told you...there are only a couple of distros worth downloading and they only change about every year....so if it takes a few days to download...so what
[11:41] <buz> well if you got the time
[11:41] <whiskey_1> buz, and everything else is illegal
[11:42] <buz> there's tons of huge content that's perfectly legal
[11:42] <thor|away> buz: actually a firefox update takes about half an hour ;)
[11:43] <Kisain> how to get skype?
[11:44] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well it will solve your problem but it is not open source...they apparently know the secret of encapsulation
[11:44] <Kisain> lol
[11:44] <Kisain> i just want it for the voice for now
[11:44] <whiskey_1> Kisain, but anyway just go get it ...the binary is free if you need it
[11:44] <Kisain> www.skype.com?/
[11:44] <whiskey_1> Kisain, yes the voice works great...but there is nobody to use it with
[11:44] <Kisain> or can i get it through syn?
[11:45] <Kisain> i have some freinds who have it lol
[11:45] <Kisain> so i can use voice
[11:46] <whiskey_1> Kisain, absolutely... i made one call to test....and it works terrific on linux....but uh there is nobody there.
[11:46] <whiskey_1> Kisain, so uh...i just use it to upload some compilations and stuff
[11:46] <Kisain> oh
[11:46] <Kisain> well i'll be on it you can call me ^_^
[11:47] <whiskey_1> Kisain, well if you want to test your system...i will be glad to assist....but there really is nobody there...let me know when you want to test it
[11:47] <Kisain> sudo dpkg -i skype_1.1.0.3-1_i386.deb
[11:47] <Kisain> is that the right command?
[11:47] <whiskey_1> Kisain, beats me...i just went and got it
[11:48] <Kisain> kk
[11:49] <Kisain> that would be the command
[11:49] <Kisain> yay i figured somethin out lol
[11:51] <Kisain> ok my skype name is kisain
[11:51] <Kisain> as if it woulden't be that lol
[11:51] <whiskey_1> well i will see if i can find you and unmute this mic
[11:52] <Kisain> kk
[11:57] <whiskey_1> Kisain, it is working perfect for you
[11:57] <Kisain> i know it's awsome
[12:02] <mpathy> hi there, somebody knows an equivalent to Perls CPAN in Python? I forgot the name
[12:32] <Tallia1> hey!! i wanna ask you a thing.. i'm a newbie of kubuntu.. there's a way to autoexec an application on kde launch??!?
[12:33] <oxygen-addict> there's a folder you can set in control center
[12:34] <Tallia1> do you remember the name of the folder?!?
[12:34] <oxygen-addict> the standard is /home/USER/.kde/Autostart
[12:35] <oxygen-addict> so type ~/.kde/Autostart in the addressline of konqueror
[12:56] <verden01> Hi
[01:11] <yahalom> can someone plz help me configure rp-pppoe?
[01:15] <Kisain> well the install went smooth i think
[01:22] <verden01> Hi
[01:37] <Kisain> it's gettin configured now the install was a breeze ^_^
[02:06] <_pelle> assa-brassa-mandelmassa!
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: i apt-get dnsmasq, but i dont know how  that would help
[02:26] <norro> hi guys
[02:29] <norro> i noticed, that my network connection is only 10mbit, although it should be 100mbit. i just can't find the location, where to configure it. can you help me?
[02:30] <yahalom> whats a newer tech adsl or cable?
[02:33] <norro> hmmm, nobody here to help?
[02:37] <AzMoo> What do I need to install for the JRE?
[02:47] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, nothing really but there is not much to use it on
[02:48] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, there are a couple of p2p apps which can use it but not much legitimate material on them
[02:48] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, most of it is illegal in the US...so there really is no need for java
[02:49] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, but if you just want to install it....well just download and execute in a shell...that is just about it...and set some environment variables
[02:50] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, but there is just really no use for java
[02:50] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, it was a buzzword many years ago...but the fad has passed
[02:51] <AzMoo> whiskey_1, what the hell are you talking about? Java isn't a buzzword, it's a programming language. Many websites require it, as well as many different programs.
[02:51] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, nobody wants to use java or .net or even the gnu stuff
[02:52] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, nobody gives a damn about websites...haven't you ever heard of the dotcom crash
[02:52] <AzMoo> whiskey_1, dude, lay off the whiskey.
[02:52] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, those were yesterdays buzzwords
[02:53] <AzMoo> whiskey_1, are you serious?
[02:53] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, i am not drinking whiskey...i am stating fact...the dotcom crash will never come back...that was all yesterday's stuff....nobody cares about .net or java or the gnu mono
[02:53] <AzMoo> hahaha
[02:54] <CellarDoor> hi all
[02:56] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, that is all it ever was....java....MS .net and gnu mono are just mostly for network applications which no longer interests anyone...those were all yesterday's buzzwords....today all people want is a simple free desktop...that will remain free.
[02:58] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, but linux is not quite there yet
[03:00] <AzMoo> Do you have any idea what a buzzword is?
[03:01] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, a desktop with massively powerful database abilies, unlimited mathematical prowess, fast desktop publishing, decent graphics design tools, free video editing/authoring with free codecs....that is all the people want anymore....and with the gnu guarantee that it will always remain free
[03:02] <CellarDoor> I don't suppose anyone knows much about fonts and KDE
[03:02] <[fab] > fonts:/
[03:02] <[fab] > know not more that that
[03:04] <AzMoo> whiskey_1, that doesn't get around the simple fact that Java is not a buzzword, and is still quite prevalent.
[03:05] <CellarDoor> I've got anti-alaising on full in rgb in the control center but it doesn't seem to make much difference, the resolution needs to improve - In low resolutions they look blocky and in higher resolutions they look blurry - does anyone know what more I can do about this, I've done everything you can do in the control center - I't really doesn't look good at all
[03:07] <CellarDoor> :/
[03:09] <CellarDoor> guess I'll keep trawlling the forums then :P
[03:12] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, how can you say Java is prevalent when there are only 3 to 4 websites on the whole internet that anyone ever looks at
[03:12] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, those were yesterday's buzzwords...that's all....yesterday is gone....look for the desktop of the future
[03:13] <AzMoo> whiskey_1, do you have a job?
[03:13] <CellarDoor> lol
[03:13] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, nobody ever goes anywhere on the internet except to check freshmeat, read slashdot, check out sourceforge....and that is about it
[03:13] <CellarDoor> lol
[03:13] <whiskey_1> AzMoo, no...i was never able to get a job because of these god-damned Jews that Hitler failed to kill.
[03:14] <CellarDoor> I hardly ever check freshmeat, hardly ever read slashdot, and hardly ever check out sourceforge.
[03:16] <AzMoo> OK, now I know you're bullshitting or just a retard, so I can safely ignore you :)
[03:16] <CellarDoor> or a paranoid schizophrenic
[03:16] <AzMoo> That too.
[03:16] <CellarDoor> hehe
[03:18] <CellarDoor> I don't suppose anyone knows how to get UT2004 to install on a kubuntu system
[03:19] <CellarDoor> no one wan'ts to go there... I understand fully, the thing is a %*(@(#$ to install
[03:28] <_ali> hello :)
[04:03] <LISP> i want to make some adjustements at boot up
[04:03] <LISP> where do i place them?
[04:03] <LISP> which file in /etc?
[04:06] <Riddell> LISP: make a script in /etc/init.d and link to it in /etc/rc2.d
[04:07] <LISP> i'll try it, but there's anothere way i'm sure
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Riddell: gnome menu can't find my kde icons - is there a way to fix this?
[04:11] <Riddell> thoreauputic: fix KDE
[04:11] <Riddell> I'll probably do that this week
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Riddell: umm... how so? Is this a KDE bug then?
[04:11] <Riddell> thoreauputic: it's consistent bad practice used throughout KDE
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Riddell: xfce finds the icons, it seems....
[04:12] <Riddell> hmm, curious
[04:12] <thoreauputic> ah - a freedesktop non-compliance issue?
[04:12] <Riddell> it's a long story, I can relate if you wish
[04:12] <thoreauputic> My menus are now totally fubar...
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Riddell: gnome doesn't seem to know what to do with svg icons either
[04:13] <thoreauputic> even when I point it at the right file
[04:15] <LISP> thoreauputic: kde is nice, but it's buggy..
[04:16] <LISP> thoreauputic: try running kuser, kdevelop :(
[04:16] <LISP> kaffeine
[04:16] <thoreauputic> LISP: I'm beginnning to wish I never typed " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" :/
[04:16] <LISP> no problem, clean it up...
[04:17] <thoreauputic> LISP: any suggestions?
[04:17] <LISP> my "k/ubuntu-desktops" are long gone :d
[04:17] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[04:17] <thoreauputic> LISP: I like amarok, k3b etc
[04:18] <thoreauputic> I just don't use many kde apps I guess - just wanted to see what Kubuntu was like
[04:18] <Choubaka> I just checked out a recent firefox trunk build. seems like they've cured most of the annoying unresponsiveness.
[04:21] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[04:37] <Legolas> hello, anyonoe know how to run a jar file as an application?  I'm trying to get OurTunes working, but can't get it to run as a Jar application
[05:21] <Legolas> can anyone tell me how to get my media buttons to work under kubuntu?  I had it working under Ubuntu, but not anymore
[05:23] <msb> anyone can tell where i can download media control so i can control amarok :|
[05:25] <Legolas> no one seems to be answering questions here, msb :-(
[05:25] <KaiL> Legolas: uhm, media buttons?
[05:25] <KaiL> on keyboard? 
[05:26] <KaiL> kontrolcenter -> regional&accessibility -> keyboard layout is a nice place to start
[05:26] <KaiL> msb: sorry, don't understand your question - "media control"?
[05:27] <msb> media controll applet or something
[05:28] <KaiL> well, amarok has an icon in system tray ;)
[05:28] <KaiL> rightclick on it
[05:29] <msb> naah.
[05:30] <msb> can i ket someway those buttons to panel
[05:30] <Legolas> well, I looked at the keyboard layout, and keyboard shortcuts, but there isn't an option to use a keyboard shortcut with volume
[05:30] <msb> so i can just push "play" "stop" and so on...
[05:31] <KaiL> Legolas: they are in the media player
[05:31] <KaiL> best place for volume: in kmix rightlick on the "master", there you can set keys for volume for the whole system...
[05:33] <Legolas> looking at it
[05:34] <Legolas> just gotta configure some things
[05:36] <hussam> how do I rip a dvd to divx on kubuntu?
[05:39] <apachelogger> hola
[05:40] <apachelogger> in which package should be the "MediaControl" applet?
[05:41] <KaiL> ...is there something very big talking about a "media control applet"?
[05:42] <apachelogger> well, someone asked on #amarok how he can control amaroK via a applet, but he hasn't it installed
[05:42] <Legolas> well, didnt get the media buttons to work, but at least I got some key combinations working
[05:43] <KaiL> apachelogger: it was msb ? ;)
[05:43] <apachelogger> yeah
[05:43] <apachelogger> has he already asked?
[05:44] <KaiL> yes ;)
[05:44] <KaiL> I guess it's in kicker-applets
[05:44] <apachelogger> very nice, very nice, less work, if everybody could be that stand-alone, thanks for the information
[05:44] <apachelogger> bye
[05:44] <KaiL> lol
[05:44] <msb> ok
[05:44] <msb> thanks :)
[05:45] <KaiL> Legolas: that's why I sent you to the controlcenter first, there you can select the right keyboard
[05:46] <KaiL> afaik it's not possible to detect, which one that is
[05:49] <Legolas> there we go, finally, the correct layout, but now I fucked something up with the keyboard.  lmao.  the quote key now is acting as a modifier for accents.  grrrr
[05:50] <KaiL> variant: nodeadkeys is what you search for :)
[05:51] <Legolas> hello, this works doesn't it.  yes it does.  yay! :-D
[05:51] <Legolas> "quote" 'single quote'
[05:51] <Legolas> woohoo
[05:53] <Legolas> alt-intl is what I had to switch the layout to
[05:53] <Legolas> :-D
[06:14] <je4d> kubuntu's auto-shutdown on low battery is starting to irritate me.. does anyone know how I can disbale it?
[06:14] <msb> do you know any good applets to panels?
[06:14] <brdweb> je4d: there should be power settings in your KDE control center
[06:15] <je4d> aah, it's a kde thing.. i'd asumed it was a script
[06:15] <brdweb> je4d: there's also a little battery applet that lets you see your power left and such
[06:15] <je4d> yea, i'm running that
[06:16] <je4d> it looks like the kde acpi helper isn't actually running
[06:16] <brdweb> je4d: well that could be a problem. I don't have it running on my laptop right now so it's been awhile since I've dealt with power settings
[06:18] <je4d> brdweb: not having the acpi helper isn't a problem.. it just means that there's something else doing the auto-shutdown.. i'd have guessed acpid, but /etc/acpi doesn't have anything suspect in it
[06:19] <Shaquile> When will we be able to use flash in firefox with Kubuntu 64 bits? 
[06:20] <roy> KDE is nice
[06:21] <roy> prettier than gnome
[06:46] <blueeel> hi there... i've got problems installing skype. dkpg -i skype.deb fails and tells me that the structure (i386) doesn't fit the system (amd64).. any suggestions ?
[06:48] <Shaquile> blueeel: You can't dpkg 32 bits packages on a 64 bits system
[06:50] <MindZEye> blueeel: You can force architecture, but Skype still doesn't work.
[06:53] <blueeel> MindZEye: which means that i won't be able to run skype on my amd64 box ?
[06:54] <MindZEye> No you wont.
[06:55] <MindZEye> Unless you set up a chroot environment (perhaps).  But I've not tried that.
[07:00] <Blissex> blueeel: Also consider open source alternatives like KPhone or LinPhone which use SIP, an open protocol.
[07:11] <carsten> Moin. Does anybody here have DIN-A6 in KPrinter? I am missing some sizes
[07:24] <probono> hi all, where can i suggest new packages? canon has released their pixma inkjet printers under GPL and it would be nice to have a deb
[07:31] <carsten> probono: that comes automatially with the next foomaticdb-update I guess
[07:35] <mikl> Support teh freenode ::)
[07:36] <dell500> how do you add a Canon A40 digicam to Kubuntu?
[07:37] <mikl> dell500: just connect it
[07:37] <mikl> an icon should show up on your desktop
[07:37] <mikl> otherwise, check in /media/
[07:38] <dell500> nope, i don't think it reconized it
[07:39] <mikl> dell500: try typing "dmesg" in a console right after you plug it in 
[07:39] <mikl> without the quotes of course :)
[07:40] <dell500> ah ha
[07:40] <dell500> there it is
[07:40] <mikl> good :)
[07:56] <fsapo> hi all.. i want to install kde on my ubuntu.. i just have to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? or i have to do something else?
[08:01] <Riddell> fsapo: that's all you have to do
[08:29] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[08:59] <Kisain> why is my computer laggin out :(
[08:59] <Kisain> it seems to be gettin slower
[09:02] <Kisain> why does my web browser seem to be slowin down?
[09:11] <Macavity> I'm having trouble with my network - my kubuntu doesn't store the gateway I enter, when I use knetworkconf - it just comes up empty, efter I press apply
[09:11] <Macavity> any ideas?
[09:11] <kkathman> Kisain what browser are you using?
[09:12] <kkathman> Macavity: will it let you set your DNS settings?
[09:15] <kkathman> Macavity: Have you checked your settings in the Control Center also?
[09:16] <kkathman> Macavity: you will need to go to the Control Center and be sure you click to get into administrator mode
[09:16] <whiskey_1> hmm...i dont see why these people can't run skype on amd64....they run the 32bit nividi drivers on amd64
[09:17] <Macavity> Kkathman:: it looks like it saves the dns settings, but I have no way of testing if they are actually set, since it doesn't save the gateway
[09:17] <whiskey_1> but it seems that skype knows about that top secret encapsulation stuff for non-routable ips....and they don't want to give up that information just like nvidia doesn't want to give up its information on how it gets its fast drivers
[09:18] <kkathman> Like I said, did you go through the control center and get into admin mode?
[09:19] <Macavity> Kkathman: I'm sorry, I wasn't specific - I used knetworkconf via the controlcenter - and it doesn't show any saved gateway
[09:19] <whiskey_1> maybe that information is really important to them for something else
[09:19] <kkathman> but did you click on "admin mode" ??
[09:19] <Macavity> yep
[09:20] <whiskey_1> but i fail to see why you can't run the 32 bit app in a 64bit system...since they already run nvidia's 32bit drivers in a 64bit system
[09:20] <kkathman> you checked the dmesg to assure that the system recognizes the eth0  ?
[09:21] <Macavity> dmesg does give some error
[09:21] <kkathman> hmm well, that may be something you need to investigate then
[09:22] <Macavity> hdc: Status error: error 0x20 lastFailedSense 0x02
[09:22] <kkathman> usually, if you install ubuntu while connected to your internet it will find the DHCP and the deffault gateway on its own :)
[09:22] <Macavity> I have no idea what that means
[09:23] <kkathman> hmm yeah thats cryptic for me also, sorry
[09:23] <Macavity> It does that, well enough - problem is, I want to run it as a server, to some small extent, and for that I need static IP :)
[09:23] <kkathman> but hdc is usually your cdrom
[09:23] <Kisain_> hey wahtwould cause mozilla to start lagging hard core
[09:23] <kkathman> Macavity: yes you'll definitely need a dedicated line thats static
[09:23] <Macavity> maybe I should try and place the kubuntu cd in the drive...
[09:24] <Macavity> I have static Ip for my internet line - this is for the local network, behind the router
[09:24] <kkathman> Kisain_: check your DNS and see if they are native to your country
[09:24] <Kisain_> how do i do that?
[09:25] <kkathman> Macavity: hmm, well then it shouldnt be an issue at all ....... unless you intend to use your linux box as a router/firewall for your whole network
[09:25] <kkathman> thats an expensive firewall :)
[09:25] <kkathman> Kisain_: I have known others that changed their DNS to US ones and the speed improved dramatically
[09:26] <Kisain_> how do i do that?
[09:26] <Macavity> Kkathman: I need to forward some ports from the router to the kubuntu box, and in order to do that, the kubuntu box must have a static ip - mainly so I can run remote desktop server, and access it from work and school
[09:26] <kkathman> Kisain_: go to control center and to network and internet check the settings
[09:27] <kkathman> Macavity: you have a switch/router connected to your DSL line?
[09:27] <Macavity> kkathman: yep
[09:27] <kkathman> Macavity: now can you do an ifconfig on your LInux box and get a local IP?
[09:28] <Macavity> and I have the remote desktop server working on my lan - and I have the port forwarding working on the router - I just need for my kubuntu box to have a static IP so I can tell the router which box to forward to
[09:28] <Macavity> I have no problem getting a dynamic ip from the router
[09:28] <kkathman> Macavity: right...get it from ifconfig
[09:28] <Macavity> and I have no problem assigning a static ip to the kubuntu box
[09:28] <Macavity> I can ping my router, no problem
[09:28] <kkathman> then do an ifconfig and get your IP
[09:29] <Kisain_> what am i lookin for specifically
[09:29] <whiskey_1> anyway there is no point in arguing with skype or nvidia....they are not going to change their minds....and well nobody really should force them too....like i say...maybe that information is really important for something else that we may not conceive of what it is
[09:29] <kkathman> I have the same setup 
[09:29] <Macavity> ok, sec
[09:29] <whiskey_1> but blueeel you are not missing anything because nobody really uses skype except very rarely
[09:30] <Macavity> eth0 has ip 192.168.1.250 - the one I assigned to it
[09:30] <kkathman> Kisain_: lets forget about the DNS for a bit,   was your system running faster than it is now?
[09:31] <Kisain_> yes
[09:31] <Kisain_> alot faster
[09:32] <pussfeller> how i install a .deb file
[09:33] <Macavity> hmmm - maybe I should just switch back to ubuntu for the server...
[09:36] <kkathman> pussfeller: dpkg -i <filename>
[09:37] <whiskey_1> Macavity, none of the server stuff works on ubuntu...apache is still unreliable right now...and not many people want to use thttpd
[09:37] <kkathman> Macavity: thats what I have...I have a really low end server for printing and file server needs
[09:38] <whiskey_1> Macavity, so there is no point in switching to ubuntu for server stuff....it just ain't gonna work right now
[09:38] <whiskey_1> Macavity, maybe they will get all these mistakes fixed when they get breezy
[09:39] <Macavity> Whiskey: what's the problem? I have a server running ubuntu warty right now - it's not critical that is up 100% of the time, so I'm not monitoring it none stop, but it seems to be doing ok
[09:39] <gdh> Ubuntu -> deskop, Debian -> server, kthx.
[09:39] <whiskey_1> Macavity, but there is some stuff working that you can experiment with
[09:39] <gdh> +t
[09:40] <whiskey_1> Macavity, well the problem is all those fundamental glibc issues with databases....and it screws everything up...even gnome-help which all the applications rely on.
[09:40] <whiskey_1> Macavity, so nothing works very well as far as documentation....and only thttpd seems to be reliable
[09:41] <whiskey_1> Macavity, so maybe it will get fixed later...there is just so much that has to come together and be integrated for a desktop solution
[09:41] <Macavity> I'm still a relative linux noob, so I'm not sure what glibc issues you're talking about, or how they affect the server?
[09:42] <whiskey_1> Macavity, well there is something called DSOs' that give all kinds of errors ...apparently for missing dynamic shared objects
[09:42] <kkathman> Macavity: check your PM
[09:42] <whiskey_1> Macavity, i guess ubuntu just did not do enough research on getting it all put together the first time
[09:43] <whiskey_1> Macavity, but there is some stuff you can experiment with...but don't expect any apps to give you any information becuase the gnome-help doesn't work either
[09:44] <admrl> when i turn my computer on a bunch of things open up just like files and ark can anyone help me  to get all of this stuff 2 stop
[09:44] <Macavity> well, it's mainly a webserver to allow me to give friends access to files, without them knowing ftp, or the ilk - so stability isn't that critical. if I can get away with running the server on the same dist as my desktops, it'll save me a lot of time, learning that stuff
[09:45] <Macavity> and that's my main goal
[09:45] <kkathman> Macavity:  you could set up an FTP server too...fairly easy enough, tho I've never done it
[09:45] <kkathman> but I think there are instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:46] <Macavity> Kkathman - yeah, I'm probably going to do that as well - but that's no rush - I have ftp access to my mac mini ;)
[09:46] <kkathman> ahhh ok..np then
[09:46] <Macavity> talk about easy setup :D
[09:46] <kkathman> lol yeah
[09:47] <Macavity> I'd just use the webserver on my mac as well, but I play around with php every now and again, and afaik, that's not as simple on the mac as it could be... but I might look in to that, if i don't get this up and running
[09:48] <kkathman> Macavity: its easy to set up everything on Linux...just go and download Xampp from their site and its painless...Apache2, PHP and MySQL in one fell swoop and it works like a champ
[09:49] <Macavity> yeah, or just apt-get it - that works too - only problem right now is getting it to save that !"#!#% gateway
[09:49] <kkathman> I wish it was that easy on Windows hehe
[09:49] <admrl> can anyone help me on what i asked about up there^^^..?
[09:49] <kkathman> yeah I dont understand that at all, mine got saved fine
[09:49] <whiskey_1> Macavity, well the only php command  i know to test it on win98 is <? print "hello" ?>
[09:50] <whiskey_1> Macavity, and it does work there
[09:50] <kkathman> admrl: Ive never heard of that happening before
[09:50] <whiskey_1> Macavity, and i guess i could make it work with thttpd on ubuntu if i wanted go through all that cgi stuff again...but i dont
[09:50] <admrl> darnit
[09:50] <Macavity> whiskey: I've tried on the built in webserver on the mac - php is not enabled
[09:50] <admrl> ok thanx
[09:50] <gdh> adml: Control Centre ->  KDE Components -> Sessions Manager -> 'Start with an empty session'
[09:51] <kkathman> whiskey_1:  that wont work...no print command....its <? echo phpinfo() ?>
[09:51] <whiskey_1> Macavity, it is not that hard to integrate php through a cgi approach
[09:51] <Macavity> Whiskey: and I have no problem getting a server to run on kubuntu or ubuntu - my only problem is getting kubuntu to save the gateway
[09:51] <whiskey_1> kkathman, it works on win98...let me go try your command
[09:51] <Macavity> Kkathman: actually, <? phpinfo() ?> is enough, even if the echo part doesn't break anything ;)
[09:52] <kkathman> thats true too actually
[09:52] <kkathman> hehe
[09:52] <kkathman> thats just the classic line for testing php
[09:52] <Macavity> yep
[09:52] <kkathman> but rarely would I use cgi if I was coding in php
[09:53] <kkathman> cuz the forms you use are nearly 100% written in php :)
[09:53] <kkathman> lol
[09:53] <kkathman> but there are exceptions if you are feeding to a known, common cgi for something
[09:53] <kkathman> hey chavo :)
[09:54] <Macavity> it's been a while since I coded in php last - this last year, it's been all java, prolog and ML
[09:54] <kkathman> wow prolog...thats one I havent touched in about 20 years :)
[09:54] <kkathman> all I do is PHP/MySQL
[09:54] <Macavity> I'm not a big fan of prolog, but it was part of a course I took :)
[09:54] <kkathman> well for my web clients that is
[09:55] <kkathman> Macavity: yeah its fun cuz its a low end OO for AI
[09:55] <kkathman> or massive text processing (similar to LISP)
[09:55] <Macavity> I much prefer ML
[09:55] <kkathman> not familiar with that very well
[09:56] <Macavity> higher order functions makes for great obfuscated code - and, ocationally, very elegant solutions :)
[09:56] <whiskey_1> kkathman, gosh that brings up all kinds of stuff on win98...it says window98magic 4.10
[09:57] <whiskey_1> kkathman, that is a funny command.....but <? print 'hello kkathman' ; ?> also seems to work...try it
[09:59] <kkathman> phpinfo() is a classic, because it tells you everything about the environment
[10:00] <Macavity> hmm - looks like a bug is registered on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for my problem...
[10:00] <kkathman> Macavity: obfuscated code...I love it :)
[10:00] <kkathman> Macavity: oh really?? interesting...well you found it again :)
[10:01] <Macavity> bah - well, i guess it's back to ubuntu - for some strange reason, it's only a problem on kubuntu, and not ubuntu (at least, it wasn't a problem on my last install of ubuntu)
[10:02] <kkathman> well its not a serious prob I guess
[10:02] <kkathman> hey there Diablo-D3  :)
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> hey kkathman 
[10:02] <kkathman> howzit goin today?
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> dunno
[10:03] <kkathman> hehe
[10:03] <kkathman> nice
[10:04] <Kisain_> any idea why it's gotten slower?
[10:06] <kkathman> Kisain_: kinda hard to figure this one...I'd go back and try to determine what you've done recently, then reverse it and see if that improves your performance
[10:06] <gdh> :)
[10:06] <Kisain_> kk
[10:07] <kkathman> Kisain_: also, have you checked your running processes to see if something is unusually eating cpu?
[10:07] <Kisain_> other than mozilla? no
[10:07] <kkathman> Kisain_: hitt CTRL-ESC  and that shows you ALL the processes running
[10:08] <kkathman> there are tons of things running that you might not know are
[10:08] <kkathman> if you tried Kaffeine, for instance, it keeps running even when you close it
[10:09] <kkathman> watch your CPU and memory utilization with something like gkrellm and you'll see where your CPU usage is
[10:09] <Macavity> maybe I can install the gnome desktop, and set the gateway there, then boot back into kde...
[10:09] <Macavity> hmm, worth a show
[10:09] <kkathman> Macavity: yes you can do that
[10:10] <Kisain_> wow theres alot of shit runnin :/
[10:10] <kkathman> Kisain_: yes
[10:10] <Kisain_> how to tell whats supposed to be and whats not :/
[10:11] <Kisain_> whats atd?
[10:11] <kkathman> Kisain_: click theVmSize column twice and you will see the things that are taking the most space 
[10:12] <kkathman> click System% and youll see those that are most demanding
[10:12] <Kisain_> cpu idles at between 3-4% 
[10:13] <Kisain_> whys the i net so slow?
[10:13] <Kisain_> it's weard
[10:13] <kkathman> Kisain_: if its just your net thats slow
[10:13] <kkathman> check your memory usage
[10:13] <Kisain_> it seems like it but then i'm not shure
[10:13] <Kisain_> it takes a long time for the box to boot
[10:13] <Kisain_> and opning programs there seems to be a lag of some sort
[10:14] <Kisain_> but i'm not shure if this is how linux runs or not
[10:14] <Kisain_> :/
[10:15] <kkathman> my boot doesnt take any time much, its fast..up and at the splash screen within about 30 seconds max
[10:15] <Kisain_> not me
[10:15] <kkathman> course that might depend on memory and processor
[10:15] <Kisain_> should i uninstall ubuntu cause i have both kubuntu and ubuntu installed
[10:15] <Kisain_> 256mb pc 133
[10:15] <Kisain_> and a 1ghz celeron
[10:16] <kkathman> Kisain_: yeah the low memory is a gater there
[10:16] <Kisain_> ok that makes sence
[10:16] <kkathman> I have a AMD Sempron 2500+ and 1 G of memory
[10:16] <Kisain_> wish i could trade a stick of 512 for 2 sticks of 256 :/
[10:17] <KaiL> Kisain_: you should get more RAM ;)
[10:17] <KaiL> might be faster
[10:17] <Kisain_> my box can handel a max of 512 but it has to be 256/256
[10:17] <kkathman> I had a box here that I ran that had only 96 mb memory and a 1.6 GHz Celeron
[10:17] <Kisain_> i have one chip thats 512 :/
[10:17] <Kisain_> it really sucks
[10:17] <kkathman> but it ran Gnome ok...but it took a while to boot
[10:18] <Macavity> hmm - actually, can't I just set the gateway manually in the /etc/network/interfaces file, and then reload the network?
[10:18] <KaiL> you can
[10:19] <kkathman> Yanno...it dawned on me last night, there needs to be a LInux foundation that can run ads on TV to advertise Linux...kinda like Apple did yanno?  That would get more people to take the plunge :)
[10:19] <Kisain_> i know this is off topic but that server program i downloaded had something called sftware raid is it possible to use such a thing on a windowsucks 2000 server?
[10:20] <kkathman> Kisain_: depends on your mobo architecture i think
[10:20] <Macavity> kail: what's the format for that? do I just add gateway 192.168.1.1 underneath the netmask in the interfaces file?
[10:20] <Kisain_> i have it installed and running but i can't access it :/
[10:20] <Kisain_> ohhhhh
[10:21] <KaiL> Macavity: wonderful
[10:22] <Macavity> KaiL: I take that as a yes :)
[10:22] <kkathman> brb
[10:23] <Kisain_> it says it's runnin but it won't let me do nothin :/
[10:23] <KaiL> was planed so
[10:24] <Kisain_> brb
[10:28] <Macavity> KaiL: can you tell me how I manually restart the network?
[10:28] <KaiL> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:31] <Macavity> and that should reinitialize the network card with the gateway i entered into the interfaces file, right? how can I check if this is done?
[10:33] <kkathman> back
[10:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > same
[10:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's me kisain ^_^
[10:34] <kkathman> lol
[10:34] <Macavity> heh
[10:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i fixed my peed problem
[10:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > speed lol
[10:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > after i installed ubuntu i put an hd in on the secondary ide channel
[10:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and switched the cd rom to slave
[10:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well i just yanked my secondary hd and made the cd rom the master and
[10:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i booted in no time flat :/
[10:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > weard
[10:37] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and my internet speed is back to normal too
[10:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > why would hardware affect how the system runs?
[10:39] <KaiL> nobody umderstands PATA :)
[10:39] <KaiL> under..
[10:40] <KaiL> who can recommend a good mouse?
[10:40] <kkathman> I like the trackballs myself
[10:40] <Macavity> I'm pretty happy with my logitech mx510
[10:41] <kkathman> once I started using one I never went back to a moveable mouse
[10:41] <KaiL> Macavity: does that have some "integrated lamp"?
[10:41] <Macavity> well, it's an optical mouse - I guess you can call that a lamp
[10:41] <KaiL> nop
[10:41] <Macavity> then I don't think I understand your question
[10:41] <KaiL> the first optical had a light on top to look "cool"
[10:42] <kkathman> plus, my mouse alwasy stays in one place..I dont have to keep resetting it and centering
[10:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you could get a lazer mouse
[10:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > there kinda pricy but there even better than optical
[10:42] <Macavity> only light out of this one is from the bottom, from the optical sensor
[10:42] <KaiL> Macavity: ah, ok
[10:42] <kkathman> trackballs are even better tho...much less expensive
[10:42] <KaiL> that's good
[10:42] <kkathman> and less to go wrong ::)
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > dude trackballs suck for gaming
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and they clogg to easy
[10:43] <kkathman> oh.. well blah then...I forgot you want to game
[10:43] <kkathman> nope thats absolutely a falsehood
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > if your lookin for percision lazer is the way to go
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > no it's not
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have a whole box of trackball mice in the basement
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you know why therein a box in the base ment
[10:44] <kkathman> I have two of them Kasain, and have used them for 5 years and never had a clog yet
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > cause i got sick of cleanin the rollers out once a month
[10:44] <kkathman> so dont tell me what I have experience with
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > weard
[10:44] <kkathman> geez you must not bathe or something
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i've had nothin but problems with them
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > :/
[10:44] <kkathman> if you smoke they are bad tho
[10:44] <Macavity> Swim: I have friends who swear to trackballs for fps games - I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of taste and habit
[10:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have to take the bottom of every once in a while and clean the gunk off the rollers
[10:45] <kkathman> I just got tired of restting the mouse
[10:45] <kkathman> recentering
[10:45] <kkathman> its so wasteful
[10:45] <kkathman> I havent cleaned mine in 5 years
[10:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > the next mouse i'm gona get is a glove mouse
[10:45] <kkathman> they both work as good as the day I got them...course they are Logitechs too
[10:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > have no idea how it works but it looks cool and i want :)
[10:46] <KaiL> hmm, now I only need to find a shop here, which has a blue mx510
[10:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well yea logitechs a great brand very durable
[10:46] <KaiL> the red one sucks
[10:46] <kkathman> and mine are optical trackballs too
[10:46] <Macavity> Kail: true
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > oh those kind
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > those are better than the analogue
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i never used the optical trackball but i hear there good
[10:47] <kkathman> I just have the standard grey one 2 buttons, scrollwheel and a red ball...had them for 5 years
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i thught you where talkin about a regular analouge ball mouse lol
[10:48] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you know the apple IIe kind lol
[10:48] <kkathman> totally maintenance free and I'll never go back to a regular mouse...plus those mouses are bad for CTS
[10:48] <[ADULT_SWIM] > cts?
[10:48] <kkathman> espcially if you play games :)
[10:48] <kkathman> carpal tunnel syndrome
[10:48] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats what i thought
[10:49] <kkathman> unnatural wrist positions
[10:49] <[ADULT_SWIM] > arnt those mouses the ones you controll with yur thumb?
[10:49] <kkathman> the trackball avoids that completely because you never move your wrist
[10:49] <kkathman> track balls you control with your thumb...very good ergonomically
[10:49] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea i could never get used to them
[10:49] <kkathman> the wrist stays put
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think for the games i play they wulden't be to godd
[10:50] <kkathman> prolly not
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > good
[10:50] <Macavity> yay - got it working with the static ip
[10:50] <Macavity> :D
[10:50] <kkathman> but all the good gamers I know dont use mouses at all
[10:50] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : quake, doom and friends? ;)
[10:50] <kkathman> they always use the keyboard
[10:50] <MindZEye> Does anyone know why the "Access Keys" feature in my Konqueror is all of a sudden activating automatically after abou 10 seconds?  It freaked me out just now on a page.
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > like counterstrike and ut04 and battlefield vietnam
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ^_^
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yup
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have a tuner card in my box
[10:50] <kkathman> or they get a gamer's console and plug it in
[10:51] <Macavity> in a very roundabout way - set ip in the control panel - disable the network card - manually add the gateway to the interfaces file - activate the card in the control panel...
[10:51] <Macavity> it's a fucked up way to have to do it, but it worked :D
[10:51] <[ADULT_SWIM] > so i watch adult swim every night and play my games or if it's a really good nght
[10:51] <[ADULT_SWIM] > just watch and surf the web
[10:51] <kkathman> great life
[10:51] <KaiL> as we are prolling: who has a silent highend-system?
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have a fanless
[10:52] <Macavity> define silent - define high-end
[10:52] <kkathman> KaiL: mine is very silent I think
[10:52] <KaiL> ...not laptop, real PC :)
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > um p4 quad cpu 2 gigs rambus 3 160gig hd 10,000 rpm sata
[10:52] <kkathman> KaiL:  but I built it myself
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > liquid cooled
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > same it the only way to go
[10:53] <KaiL> kkathman: I build this myself too
[10:53] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] : but you payed like 11,000 for your system
[10:53] <[ADULT_SWIM] > why pay 1000's for a system you could build in the 100's
[10:53] <kkathman> KaiL:  ok
[10:53] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea i bought shit i diden't need ^_^
[10:53] <Macavity> well, p4 2.8 with radeon pro9800 - i think it's about 18-20 db... not way high end, not totally silent. but it's good enough for me... besides, that's the windoze box, so it's turned off most of the time
[10:53] <kkathman> I built mine for about oh.. $300 or so
[10:53] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but it plays ut like it was built just for that purpose
[10:53] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[10:54] <Macavity> anyways, it's time for bed for me
[10:54] <kkathman> maybe less than that
[10:54] <KaiL> this PC looks like some 1990th crap
[10:54] <kkathman> it was $158 for the mobo and CPU
[10:54] <Macavity> Kail, Kkathman - thanks for your help :)
[10:54] <[ADULT_SWIM] > eventually when they get ceaper i want a surround sound system for my puter
[10:54] <kkathman> no prob Macavity 
[10:54] <[ADULT_SWIM] > night man
[10:54] <KaiL> but inside it's modern highend tech :)
[10:55] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice thats a good price
[10:55] <kkathman> KaiL:  actually its got a pretty much runn of the mill case, power and fan in it..
[10:55] <kkathman> but I swear you cant hear it
[10:55] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you should look on ebay they have some great cases for a low price
[10:55] <MindZEye> WTF?  Xine is triggering the Access Keys feature in an active Konq window somehow as it only occurs if Xine is playing back a DVD.
[10:56] <kkathman> my case cost me $55
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[10:56] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : I'll do soon
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i built mine from scratch
[10:56] <KaiL> maybe some 200 designer case *g*
[10:56] <kkathman> but I dont get the super duper ones or the ones with colored lights, etc
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i know it's one of a kind lol
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think cooling factor is the most important
[10:56] <KaiL> this computer is everything, but NOT inexpensice
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > lotsa fans in it and your hardware will run smooth
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[10:57] <kkathman> just an ATX that has at least a 300V PW...this one was 400 and front panel USB
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > very nice
[10:57] <kkathman> I have 2 fans...one on the CPU and one on the case
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > is the case big?
[10:57] <KaiL> it was designed to be silent, be REALLY stable and need not too much energy
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > mines like 55lbs empty
[10:57] <kkathman> regular sized tower
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[10:58] <KaiL> 55lbs? what's that in normal units?
[10:58] <kkathman> but its nice to look at too
[10:58] <kkathman> no..55 dollars
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i don't know i mesure in punds
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > pounds
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > even lol
[10:58] <kkathman> not lbs
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats the abriviation for punds=lbs
[10:58] <kkathman> maybe I said 55 lbs I dont know
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > lol
[10:59] <kkathman> but I get my stuff from my distributor
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm lookin for a better cooling system for my system
[10:59] <Soyburg> I am looking for a way to configure the screensaver in kubuntu, so it doesn't make my screen go blank after 10 minutes.
[10:59] <kkathman> when I have a client I get give this guys all the computer biz... so he gives me a nice deal on stuff
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you woulden't beleve the trouble i've had with that damn thing this week
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > one hd caught fire
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > than today the other 2 went :/
[11:00] <kkathman> 120GB HDD for $45,  LG CD/DVD/Writer/Reader for $40
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i had to run to office max to buy 3 more
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > holy shit
[11:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > that freakin cheap!!!!!!!!
[11:01] <kkathman> yep
[11:01] <KaiL> $45 is ~70?
[11:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > dude what you a tech or somthin?
[11:01] <kkathman> 512MB memory for $40
[11:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[11:01] <kkathman> Kail yeah maybe less
[11:02] <buz> 45$ is more like 35?
[11:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > how much you get 2 sticks of pc133 @ 256mb ea for?
[11:02] <buz> did you steal that stuff
[11:02] <kkathman> Im not a tech..but he is and Ive sent him literally 100s of clients
[11:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats what i wanna know not that i care
[11:02] <kkathman> its his way of showing his appreciation
[11:02] <buz> costs more to make
[11:02] <buz> aaa
[11:02] <kkathman> nahh
[11:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > dude hook me up man ^_^
[11:02] <buz> so its pr prices ;)
[11:02] <Soyburg> the currency calculator says it's 35
[11:02] <kkathman> buz you can get those prices at NewEgg pretty much
[11:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats euro right?
[11:02] <Soyburg> right
[11:03] <kkathman> I go to him...tell him what I can get it for at NewEgg, he drops it about 10% below
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > damn
[11:03] <KaiL> Soyburg: ah, yes...
[11:03] <kkathman> but alot of that for him, too, is that he's like rolling in the dough
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > can you hook me up with a liqui cool unit?
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'll pay for it
[11:04] <[ADULT_SWIM] > just not $300
[11:04] <KaiL> 70-80 is a typical 120GB hd here...
[11:04] <[ADULT_SWIM] > lol
[11:04] <kkathman> he wont give everyone those prices
[11:04] <kkathman> hehe
[11:04] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats why i give you the $$$
[11:04] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and you send it to me i pay s&h too
[11:04] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : who wants liquid cooling? get a CPU, which doesn't need that :p
[11:04] <kkathman> just a few of us that turn biz his direction
[11:04] <kkathman> why you want liqui cool??
[11:04] <kkathman> thats a waste of money
[11:05] <KaiL> bingo
[11:05] <[ADULT_SWIM] > liqui cool is very safe if you use the right liquid
[11:05] <KaiL> it's NOT silent!
[11:05] <kkathman> roflll and if you have alot of money
[11:05] <kkathman> which obviously you do with an $11,000 system :)
[11:05] <KaiL> it's only less loud than some P4 coolers
[11:05] <Soyburg> I am looking for a way to configure the screensaver in kubuntu, so it doesn't make my screen go blank after 10 minutes. any ideas?
[11:05] <buz> sure it's silent
[11:05] <buz> look at zalman reserator
[11:05] <buz> that's about as silent as you get
[11:05] <buz> unless you spend 4 digits on cooling
[11:05] <KaiL> ...as a P4 needs a 12cm coler at >2000rpm 
[11:06] <buz> p4 sucks
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i seen one of them on e-bay are they any good?
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea tell me about it
[11:06] <buz> supposedly
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > my next puter is amd all the way
[11:06] <kkathman> its why I stick with AMD
[11:06] <buz> mine too
[11:06] <buz> i'm shooting for 1 fan system
[11:06] <buz> one slow 120mm fan in the back
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > shuttle box?
[11:06] <buz> that's ought to be inaudible
[11:06] <kkathman> buz I got 2...one for the CPU and one on the case
[11:06] <buz> iiiiew
[11:06] <buz> shuttle SUCKS
[11:06] <buz> got one right now
[11:06] <buz> loud as hell
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > hey there great for lanining
[11:06] <kkathman> mine is literally silent
[11:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and correction i had a lot of $$ a one time
[11:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i spent it all :(
[11:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > on bills computers and telescope
[11:07] <KaiL> buz: the problem is, that you need to get out the warm air fast, as there's no place inside
[11:07] <kkathman> hardware is so cheap now, some of it is getting almost to the point of throw away
[11:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > got my self some clothes and poof it was gone
[11:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i know
[11:08] <buz> the shuttle is a deeply flawed concept
[11:08] <buz> antec's aria case is better but still far from optimal
[11:08] <KaiL> kkathman: left to me stands a PC made of "hardware rubbish"
[11:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's weard years ago you where lucky to get a second hand vid card
[11:08] <kkathman> almost all drives are that way now..HDD, CDROMs, Floppies. ethernet cards
[11:08] <KaiL> only needs a optical drive
[11:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > rubputer lol
[11:08] <kkathman> I went to a STORE... RETAIL and got a DLINK ethernet PCI for $4
[11:08] <buz> i can't be bothered to deal with old hardware
[11:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i hae a shit load ya want one :)
[11:09] <buz> kkathman: a realtek chip costs about 20cent
[11:09] <KaiL> and as nothing here can read DVDs, that'll be a DVD burner or so
[11:09] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i get all the old computers from the schools in my aria
[11:09] <kkathman> buz yah
[11:09] <kkathman> hehe
[11:09] <KaiL> kkathman: bah, get an intel :)
[11:09] <kkathman> I mean its getting to be throw away
[11:09] <buz> it's not worth more than 10cents ;)
[11:09] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and i strip whats useful and recycle the rest
[11:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > the last load i bought to escanaba was 2200 lbs
[11:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i made 300 of the gold in the stuff
[11:10] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : normally there's nothing useful in school PCs
[11:10] <kkathman> KaiL: no way...theres no compelling reason for me to get a P4 over the much better value I get with an AMD
[11:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well these onse where g3's
[11:10] <KaiL> kkathman: intel LAN card
[11:10] <buz> theres no compelling reason to get a p4 for anyone
[11:10] <buz> unless they like the stupid intel ads
[11:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > they still have some life in them
[11:10] <KaiL> not intel CPU, nobody want's intel CPUs in Desktops
[11:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i sell what i can put togheter to low income familys
[11:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > for $50 a system
[11:11] <[ADULT_SWIM] > monitor,keyboard,mouse,speakers,printer the works
[11:11] <kkathman> alot of mobos now have a dedicated chip for LAN, even wifi
[11:11] <KaiL> AMD CPU, Matrox GPU, nVidia Chipset and intel LAN :)
[11:11] <buz> is that for charity or for money?
[11:11] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well i'm on a fixed incme
[11:11] <[ADULT_SWIM] > before i got my inheritance i used to struggle to by parts
[11:12] <[ADULT_SWIM] > my first computer was a dell optiplex and i payd 300 for it
[11:12] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it took me 2 yeears to ghet it
[11:12] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i know what it's like to be poor
[11:12] <_chavo> kkathman, I'll leave you all of mt debt.
[11:12] <_chavo> my debt even
[11:12] <kkathman> I have two kids in college so there ya go
[11:12] <[ADULT_SWIM] > so i sell the systems at $50 a peace with everything including tech suppoert
[11:12] <kkathman> thats where my money go
[11:13] <[ADULT_SWIM] > damn
[11:13] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : kubuntu on it? :)
[11:13] <[ADULT_SWIM] > on the puters not in the beginnin
[11:13] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but i'm startin to do that now
[11:13] <kkathman> awww _chavo you dont need to do that  :)
[11:13] <kkathman> I got plenty for you and me both :)
[11:13] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i was givin away xp cause it's crap
[11:13] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : which hardware class are they?
[11:14] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i hook the systems up with the best in windows software too
[11:14] <KaiL> ~1GHz?
[11:14] <_chavo> well actually I'm looking pretty good. My car is paid off and my home as well.
[11:14] <[ADULT_SWIM] > anyware from p2-p4's
[11:14] <kkathman> I found out recently that "officially" no M$ product is transferable
[11:14] <[ADULT_SWIM] > most have only 64mb of ram though
[11:14] <[ADULT_SWIM] > so i have to compile systems
[11:14] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea i know
[11:14] <KaiL> and they are throughn away in schools?
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but considering i've never bought an m$ product in my life i just give it with those systems
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea
[11:15] <KaiL> wow...
[11:15] <kkathman> for instance... if I have XP on a windows system and I put linux on that system and decide to give that XP to my daughter...I officially cannot do it
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > they upgrade like once every 2 years
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i know dosen't that suck
[11:15] <kkathman> I did it anyway
[11:15] <KaiL> here in Germany schools are happy, if they can grab a used P2...
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i've only paid for one peice of software in my life
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well 2
[11:15] <[ADULT_SWIM] > 3
[11:16] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ut 04 bfvn and cs
[11:16] <[ADULT_SWIM] > everything else i generate my own keys for
[11:16] <KaiL> we had tons of i486 and Pentium Classic in school times
[11:16] <KaiL> ...that was 2000
[11:16] <[ADULT_SWIM] > pentium classics wow
[11:16] <[ADULT_SWIM] > those are like fossles
[11:16] <KaiL> even my university has Athlon 800
[11:16] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[11:17] <[ADULT_SWIM] > my next computer is gonna be amd just not shure what kind
[11:17] <gdh> I found  p120 boxed tonight :)
[11:17] <KaiL> yes, schools are hopeless underfinanced here :(
[11:17] <[ADULT_SWIM] > damn
[11:17] <kkathman> just get the biggest AMD you can get for the money
[11:17] <[ADULT_SWIM] > these ones up here arnt to bad
[11:17] <KaiL> and be shure, it's a K8 based one
[11:17] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i was thinkin of the 64?
[11:17] <[ADULT_SWIM] > are they any good?
[11:17] <gdh> For novelty value I used to comb my hair with a P75
[11:18] <KaiL> try an Athlon 64 3800+ :)
[11:18] <[ADULT_SWIM] > roflmao
[11:18] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ohhh sounds nice
[11:18] <kkathman> Ive got the Athlon 64 3800+ on my win box...its nice
[11:18] <[ADULT_SWIM] > as long as it puts my p4 to shame it's worth it
[11:18] <KaiL> only problem is a good Socket 939 mainboard
[11:19] <KaiL> PCI Express is useless, so there is VIA K8T800 (well, VIA...) or nVidia NForce3
[11:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like asus for amd my self
[11:19] <KaiL> have an K8N-E here
[11:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nice
[11:19] <KaiL> but that's Socket 754
[11:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > :(9
[11:19] <[ADULT_SWIM] > hey a chin lol
[11:20] <dhanish> anyone know if its possible to keep firefox running background similar to how you can configure konqueror with control center->kde performance?
[11:20] <KaiL> the CPU is the fastest Sempron you can get :)
[11:20] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think the best mobo i ever ownd was a asusp5-a
[11:20] <[ADULT_SWIM] > that board was a work horse
[11:21] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it only had a duron
[11:21] <KaiL> no P2B in your list? ;)
[11:21] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but it still kicked butt
[11:21] <KaiL> uhm P5*** should be Pentium Classic or K6
[11:21] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nope never tested one
[11:21] <KaiL> today reused for Prescott
[11:21] <[ADULT_SWIM] > my current board in my windows machene is....really?
[11:21] <[ADULT_SWIM] > an ecs elitegroupe p4ta
[11:22] <KaiL> that sounds like shit :)
[11:22] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's ok but it gets way to hot
[11:22] <KaiL> lol
[11:22] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea it is i wish i had nown that when i bought it
[11:22] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i mean don't get me wrong ecs is a good co
[11:22] <[ADULT_SWIM] > just not taht board :(
[11:22] <KaiL> buy Asus (or Abit, Epox...)
[11:23] <[ADULT_SWIM] > if i ever get an amd i will go with asus
[11:23] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like how yu can change the bios pic and the power on by keyboard funct.
[11:24] <KaiL> power on by keyboard?
[11:24] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea instead of hittin the power button you tap the spacebar
[11:25] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and it turns on
[11:25] <KaiL> interestin
[11:25] <KaiL> g
[11:25] <KaiL> except I never power down ;)
[11:25] <ArdieM> "Existing Ubuntu users can install Kubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package."   <---  where can i get that package?
[11:25] <KaiL> ArdieM: apt-get
[11:26] <[ADULT_SWIM] > http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm
[11:27] <KaiL> using the SLI bridge to stabilize the GPU cards... nice idea
[11:27] <KaiL> problem:
[11:27] <[ADULT_SWIM] > what?
[11:28] <KaiL> you want second LAN + TV + better sound?
[11:28] <KaiL> to few PCI slots
[11:28] <kkathman> Ardie...its in the standard Ubuntu repositiories
[11:28] <KaiL> oh, there is dual LAN :)
[11:28] <[ADULT_SWIM] > eww i diden't even look at that lol
[11:28] <kkathman> ArdieM: make sure your sources.list it ready to do the install tho
[11:28] <kanuha> what command would I give a shortcut to open konqueror to a specific drive or folder?
[11:28] <ArdieM> what do you mean ?
[11:29] <ArdieM> ah
[11:29] <KaiL> 8 SATA channels..... nice, really
[11:29] <kkathman> kanuha: you might want to do a man konqueror
[11:29] <ArdieM> i have to add a k on evry ubuntu
[11:29] <ArdieM> right ?
[11:29] <kkathman> no
[11:29] <ArdieM> :)
[11:29] <kanuha> kkathman: thx
[11:29] <KaiL> [ADULT_SWIM] : the cooled Southbridge sucks
[11:30] <kkathman> ArdieM: go and comment out your CD ROM entry first
[11:30] <kkathman> ArdieM: then uncomment out the other lines
[11:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea kinda
[11:30] <ArdieM> every line ?
[11:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > http://usa.asus.com/event/spresso/main.htm
[11:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats neat
[11:30] <kkathman> ArdieM: well all the deb and deb-src lines
[11:31] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] : quit putting that up
[11:31] <[ADULT_SWIM] > what i do?
[11:31] <kkathman> [ADULT_SWIM] : he's getting confused on the repos
[11:31] <kkathman> hehe
[11:32] <ArdieM> done
[11:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > oh sorry man diden't mean to screw you up
[11:32] <kkathman> ArdieM: ok now do a sudo apt-get update
[11:32] <kkathman> make sure there are no errors
[11:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think that one looks kinda star treky
[11:32] <ArdieM> ....? are you tryin to funk with me ?
[11:32] <KaiL> oh, Asus now places the onboard firewire more intelligent
[11:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea
[11:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i noticed
[11:32] <KaiL> at least a little bit
[11:33] <KaiL> here it's behind the AGP slot
[11:33] <whiskey_2> right now the only advantage of kubuntu is they are a little farther along on the database stuff
[11:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > nevanatly gonna get me an asus board when i can
[11:33] <KaiL> oh, wait
[11:33] <whiskey_2> plus their documentation works
[11:33] <kkathman> ArdieM: no, you have to update the apt system with your new sources.list you edited
[11:33] <KaiL> there seams to be a second one
[11:33] <ArdieM> but there is no repo in it ...
[11:33] <whiskey_2> but well glom is connecting now....so it can catch up
[11:33] <KaiL> nop
[11:33] <kkathman> ArdieM: no repo in what?
[11:34] <ArdieM> in the sources list
[11:34] <ArdieM> nu urls
[11:34] <ArdieM> *no
[11:34] <kkathman> ArdieM: did you edit /etc/apt/sources.list ??
[11:34] <whiskey_2> that is what i am using a $40 Asus board
[11:34] <ArdieM> kkathman ArdieM: make sure your sources.list it ready to do the install tho#
[11:34] <whiskey_2> at least the Asus and the Via are cheap
[11:34] <ArdieM> yes
[11:35] <whiskey_2> but the dern memory is expensive
[11:35] <kkathman> ArdieM: ok, well you should have commented out the deb line at the top that referenced the CD-ROM (just put a # in front of the line.
[11:35] <ArdieM> i know
[11:35] <whiskey_2> i don't know why that sdram is so much more expensive than ddram
[11:35] <ArdieM> so youre just talking about the first line
[11:35] <ArdieM> ok
[11:36] <kkathman> ArdieM: then there wre other lines in there that were already commented out...that were deb and deb-src lines, and I wanted you to remove the # sign in front
[11:36] <kkathman> then save that file
[11:36] <ArdieM> im really sorry
[11:37] <ArdieM> but i dont understand 100%ly
[11:37] <ArdieM> so you mean: only cdrom need a #
[11:37] <ArdieM> ^^
[11:38] <ArdieM> not right ?
[11:38] <whiskey_2> it really doesn't make sense why  sdram is so much more expensive than ddram....but well i can say that the sticks have not given me any problem in more than one year
[11:39] <kkathman> ArdieM: yes..that top line with the CD ROM reference needs to  have a # at the first of it
[11:39] <kkathman> that comments it out
[11:39] <KaiL> whiskey_2: nobody buys SDRAM any more...
[11:39] <ArdieM> ok
[11:39] <whiskey_2> KaiL, well i know...it is just too expensive...but they have been reliable
[11:40] <kkathman> ArdieM: or you can just remove it if you want
[11:40] <Kisain> back
[11:40] <KaiL> whiskey_2: on a K7 replacing the board with an Asus one is less expensive..
[11:40] <kkathman> ArdieM: now...you see the other lines there that begin with deb or deb-src, those should have NO # at the front
[11:40] <ArdieM> and now apt-get dist-upgrade kubuntu-desktop
[11:40] <kkathman> ArdieM: so remove the # signs from those lines
[11:40] <KaiL> ArdieM: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:40] <ArdieM> yes the are not commented out
[11:40] <whiskey_2> KaiL, well the Asus was only $40 so i don't complain...but the memory was expensive
[11:41] <ArdieM> ok install
[11:41] <KaiL> whiskey_2: a friend has a A7V133
[11:41] <whiskey_2> KaiL, but i still don't complain because it has been rock solid for a long time
[11:41] <kkathman> ArdieM: OK...now a a shell, do sudo apt-get update
[11:41] <KaiL> he thought about filling that with 512MiB SD-RAM modules
[11:41] <whiskey_2> KaiL, well let me go see my box and i will tell you which one i got
[11:42] <KaiL> well: replacing by a A7V600 + filling that with DDR is less...
[11:42] <KaiL> hmm
[11:43] <KaiL> VIA KT880 sounds interesting
[11:43] <KaiL> dualchannel for K7...
[11:43] <ArdieM> ok ... and there will be no risk to do while running gnome ?
[11:43] <ArdieM> *to do that upgrade
[11:44] <kkathman> ArdieM: Nope...just do the  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop now, logout of gnome, and then login under KDE/Kubuntu
[11:44] <KaiL> what's the diff between KT400 and KT600?
[11:44] <kkathman> KaiL:  200?
[11:45] <KaiL> lol
[11:45] <KaiL> ah, SATA
[11:45] <kkathman> lol
[11:46] <ArdieM> im damn tired
[11:46] <ArdieM> not
[11:46] <ArdieM> dead tired
[11:46] <ArdieM> oO
[11:46] <ArdieM> is real transparecne @ terminal possible ?
[11:48] <linuxuser> hello the world 3 sec I installed Kubuntu ;)
[11:49] <ArdieM> this is not the world
[11:49] <KaiL> but soon :p
[11:49] <ArdieM> i hope not
[11:49] <ArdieM> i hate viri
[11:50] <ArdieM> ^^
[11:51] <ArdieM> hmmm
[11:51] <KaiL> aha.. diff between "nForce 2 400" and "nForce 2 Ultra 400" is dualchannel RAM
[11:51] <KaiL> should be a quite big diff in performance
[11:51] <ArdieM> i thought about having a big terminal as my desktop background. in a heard thats its isnt possible to do that in gnome...
[11:52] <ArdieM> *and i heard
[11:52] <ArdieM> *that it isnt
[11:52] <ArdieM> lol
[11:52] <KaiL> you need your bed ;)
[11:52] <linuxuser> ok so I need to test Krita, Scribus, Amarok first these are the 3 that made me wanna test Kubuntu see ya ... hope you'll all help me cuz I will have hundred of problem soon I think ;)
[11:53] <KaiL> linuxuser: kubuntu is not suse, so not 100, only 20 ;)
[11:53] <ArdieM> hahha youre right man
[11:53] <ArdieM> thanks for remindin :)
[11:53] <transgress> okay which themes would i be downloading from kde-look.org to theme kde?
[11:54] <transgress> none of them say for 3.4
[11:56] <ArdieM> 50 secs left
[11:57] <KaiL> oops
[11:57] <transgress> umm okay i got a theme decoration... anyone be knowing where i put it?
[11:57] <kkathman> KaiL: can you translate your exit message for us?
[11:57] <kkathman> transgress:  when you find out...will you tell me??? I havent figured that out either
[11:58] <transgress> kkathman: k
you couldn't be more close to the truth ... I tested fedora-mandrake-suse-ubuntu before Kubuntu ... the only one I get trouble with was Suse it weirdly broke the geometry of the HD & I had to low level format ;(
[11:58] <KaiL> "Glaubt nicht bedingungslos den alten Manuskripten, glaubt berhaupt nicht an etwas, nur weil die Leute daran glauben - oder weil man es Euch seit Eurer Kindheit hat glauben lassen." this?
[11:58] <_chavo> transgress, is it a window decaoration or a style?
[11:59] <transgress> _chavo: window decoration
[11:59] <transgress> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22689
[11:59] <_chavo> if it's not a .deb, you'll have to compile them.
[11:59] <KaiL> "Don't belive in old books, don't belive in anything just because everybody belives in it - or because they say you this since you where a child"
[11:59] <KaiL> ....should be quite close
[11:59] <transgress> compile a window decoration?  wow that's weird... kde...
[11:59] <_chavo> yeah, they are plugins
[12:00] <_chavo> I have that one here also
[12:00] <transgress> _chavo: okay what about where do i toss themes?
[12:00] <ArdieM> bye bye gnome...
[12:00] <_chavo> themes? I think you can install with theme manager. I don't use them though.
[12:01] <kkathman> KaiL: good words to live by...thanks
[12:01] <transgress> ah yay for checkinstall
[12:01] <_chavo> I'm working on a simplified version of plastik style though -> http://2sdw.com/images/4-26-dirty.jpg
[12:02] <transgress> ay yay for forgetting that you don't have gcc yet
[12:02] <_chavo> you'll need kdelibs devel also