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| hunger | Is there a reason why g++ still depends on the 3.3 compiler? | 12:37 |
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| === hunger thinks it would be nice to have that at 4.0 now that that is available. | ||
| ska-fan | Is there a friendly user channel, btw? | 12:39 |
| ska-fan | recommending #ubuntu is like a spit in the face :) | 12:40 |
| |QuaD- | ska-fan: #ubuntu | 12:40 |
| Nafallo | lol! | 12:40 |
| === hunger spits in ska-fan's face by suggesting #ubuntu. | ||
| Nafallo | ska-fan: why isn't #ubuntu friendly? | 12:40 |
| hunger | ska-fan: Actually I fleed here myself;-) | 12:40 |
| Nafallo | hunger: kernel? :-) | 12:41 |
| hunger | Nafallo: kernel what? | 12:41 |
| Nafallo | hunger: the kernel is compiled with gcc-3.3 | 12:42 |
| ska-fan | Nafallo: It's full of annoying persons that flood and do other evil stuff. | 12:42 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 12:42 |
| ska-fan | I haven't got a single useful answer in #ubuntu yet | 12:42 |
| === Nafallo read that to fast ;-) | ||
| hunger | Nafallo: Shouldn't be... gcc is at version 4 for a while now. | 12:42 |
| Nafallo | ska-fan: ohh. | 12:42 |
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| hunger | Nafallo: g++ is the only thing left at 3.3 for now. | 12:43 |
| LinuxJones | ska-fan, with what ? | 12:43 |
| hunger | ska-fan: I actually just found the channel too noisy... | 12:44 |
| ska-fan | LinuxJones: ? | 12:44 |
| LinuxJones | ska-fan, you didn't get an answer to what questions ? | 12:44 |
| ska-fan | LinuxJones: I don't remember the questions | 12:44 |
| === ska-fan invites to #ubuntu-friendly | ||
| Nafallo | hunger: probably the ToolchainTransition isn't done yet :-) | 12:45 |
| Nafallo | hunger: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolchainRoadmap | 12:46 |
| hunger | Nafallo: Ah! The hidden wiki again;-) | 12:46 |
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| thully | hi - well, I finished making my changes to RestrictedFormats wiki... the hoary-extras source won't be good for gstreamer until tomorrow... | 01:05 |
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| thully | someone mentioned earlier looking into MP2 ripping support, since it's compatible with many MP3 devices - this sounds interesting... | 01:16 |
| giskard | hi, one of yours users sent me a mail about a nvu bug (i'm the debian maintainer) saying me (also) that yours "reportbug" on amd64 is buggy | 01:16 |
| giskard | for more info | 01:16 |
| giskard | look here : http://pastebin.com/281046 | 01:16 |
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| thully | Earlier here, we were discussing MP2 ripping support as a possible alternative to MP3.. turns out the iPod doesn't support it (which makes it not-that-useful) | 01:55 |
| crimsun | mp2 is fairly dubious as an alternative anyhow | 01:57 |
| crimsun | it'd be more fruitful to consider musepack (I have prelim packages), but ogg vorbis is really the better choice | 01:58 |
| thully | I don't find a format which doesn't work on 90% of players that play digital music files as a really ideal choice... but with the patent situation it may be the best available | 01:59 |
| thully | what is musepack, btw? | 01:59 |
| crimsun | www.musepack.net | 02:03 |
| thully | what's it's advantages over other encoders? | 02:04 |
| crimsun | it's the fastest | 02:04 |
| crimsun | it's either GPLed or BSDed, depending on which component, so it's DFSG-free | 02:05 |
| crimsun | there's a gst plugin | 02:05 |
| JanC | AFAIK musepack has problems with patents ? | 02:05 |
| crimsun | JanC: no, it used to, but all the code is free now | 02:06 |
| thully | From the looks of it, though, it's a format less supported than ogg (as in portable devices etc) | 02:06 |
| crimsun | oh definitely, thully. | 02:06 |
| crimsun | the only format that's supported en masse is mpeg 1 layer 3 | 02:07 |
| JanC | the XviD code is also free, but it's still covered by patents... | 02:08 |
| thully | yes - I was pretty much wondering if there was another format with no patent encumbrance that works with most MP3 players (other than .wav, or course) | 02:09 |
| crimsun | JanC: yes, but the basis of musepack is not patent-encumbered | 02:09 |
| JanC | it's based on MPEG1/2, just like "MP3" ? | 02:10 |
| thully | however, I don't see the real point of musepack when even ogg has far more support than it | 02:10 |
| womble | thully: Not from my research, no. | 02:10 |
| crimsun | it had roots in mpeg1/2, but the current code bears no resemblance to them | 02:10 |
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| JanC | "resemblance of the code" is not important for patents ;) | 02:12 |
| crimsun | JanC: but it's not even based on mpeg1/2 anymore. | 02:12 |
| JanC | then it's not compatible with earlier versions? | 02:12 |
| JanC | that would be stupid... | 02:13 |
| crimsun | there was a break in the versions some time ago | 02:13 |
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| JanC | but maybe those patents expired together with most of the MPEG 1/2 patents | 02:13 |
| thully | I guess most people will be using lame from multiverse to rip music for a while... | 02:14 |
| crimsun | not if they use the default Sound Juicer :) | 02:14 |
| thully | well - chances are they will try to load those files to their iPod and find they don't work, so they will end up setting up LAME... | 02:16 |
| crimsun | sure. Or they might be inclined to use jHymn or something as I do | 02:18 |
| thully | yes - but that is only for iTunes store music | 02:19 |
| crimsun | indeed. Unfortunately there is no holy grail | 02:19 |
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| bob2 | lifeless: email jurij@wooyd.org | 02:53 |
| bob2 | lifeless: with your ssh key | 02:53 |
| lifeless | done | 02:54 |
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| tseng | 73% of visitors to my site use firefox | 03:34 |
| tseng | the next 8% use mozilla | 03:34 |
| tseng | pretty rock. | 03:34 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: what does epiphany come up as? | 03:49 |
| tseng | |QuaD-_: mozilla probably. are you a regular visitor to my blog? | 03:50 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: i think i have visited it a few times | 03:50 |
| tseng | i dont see any epiphany specific group | 03:50 |
| tseng | Camino is last at .1% | 03:50 |
| |QuaD-_ | i just started using epiphany though, so i wouldn't show up as epiphany | 03:51 |
| tseng | i see | 03:51 |
| |QuaD-_ | i was just curious | 03:51 |
| tseng | 3.6% is unknown, could be there | 03:51 |
| |QuaD-_ | i am looking to see if i can change the browser tag in epiphany | 03:52 |
| |QuaD-_ | who knows | 03:53 |
| |QuaD-_ | 61.8% on my site use firefox | 03:54 |
| |QuaD-_ | 35.9% use ie | 03:54 |
| tseng | oh man | 03:54 |
| tseng | i only have 5.7% ie :P | 03:54 |
| |QuaD-_ | i don't even know who views my site | 03:54 |
| |QuaD-_ | i don't have any content on it | 03:54 |
| |QuaD-_ | ohh, probably my family, cuz i have a gallery on it | 03:54 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: what type of hosting service you use (like a vds, your own server...) | 03:56 |
| tseng | my own server | 03:56 |
| tseng | but im beta testing linode.com's xen service | 03:56 |
| tseng | which I will be subscribing to as soon as its out of beta | 03:56 |
| tseng | their current service is based on uml | 03:56 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: is it in a server farm or your house? | 03:56 |
| tseng | my server is colocated, yes | 03:56 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: i want a linode, i kinda thought it was a rip off though | 03:57 |
| tseng | its not a rip off at all | 03:57 |
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| tseng | they house, maintain, and power and connect you to a very nice network | 03:57 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: for $50 i can get a dedicated server | 03:57 |
| tseng | you cant buy your own box and colocate it for < $50 | 03:57 |
| tseng | |QuaD-_: yes, you can. | 03:57 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: if i colocate with 2 people, thats cheaper | 03:58 |
| tseng | will you be getting console access? | 03:58 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: no idea, haven't really looked into it | 03:58 |
| tseng | and dead-easy distro installs over the web | 03:58 |
| |QuaD-_ | the shared plan i have now isn't up for 2 months | 03:59 |
| tseng | the win for linode is the management as much as the box itself | 03:59 |
| tseng | sure you can buy a box from anyone | 03:59 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: yeah, but you get soo little space and bandwith for the price they charge | 04:00 |
| |QuaD-_ | i was looking at the $20/month plan | 04:00 |
| tseng | ive used 2% of my 50gb this month | 04:00 |
| tseng | thats after i got family guy and a cd from bittorrent | 04:01 |
| tseng | anyway, if its not right for you, great | 04:01 |
| tseng | im just a huge fan :) | 04:01 |
| |QuaD-_ | i use about 30gb a month | 04:01 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: if i got like 5gb space and 100 gb bandwith for the linode 64 plan, i would probably do it | 04:02 |
| tseng | 100gb? where are you getting that much I wonder | 04:02 |
| tseng | for $20/month | 04:02 |
| tseng | i dont know anywhere you can get a psuedo dedicated system for $20 | 04:02 |
| |QuaD-_ | right now, i have shared hosting for $3.95 a month, 150 gb bandwith 5 gb space | 04:03 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: yeah, thats why i don't if vds is for me | 04:03 |
| tseng | shared = ftp to a directory? | 04:03 |
| |QuaD-_ | cpanel account, i hate it, except its sooo cheap, and i am broke | 04:03 |
| tseng | well.. im rich :P | 04:03 |
| tseng | relative to my situation anyway | 04:04 |
| |QuaD-_ | haha | 04:04 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: you are running ubuntu on your xen linode/ | 04:07 |
| |QuaD-_ | ? | 04:08 |
| tseng | |QuaD-_: yes | 04:08 |
| tseng | right now they have a warty image, very easy to upgrade to hoary | 04:08 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: what mailserver? | 04:08 |
| tseng | postfix | 04:08 |
| |QuaD-_ | no experience with hula/ | 04:08 |
| |QuaD-_ | ? | 04:08 |
| tseng | i have hula on there also just for kicks | 04:08 |
| tseng | but the admin sucks majorly atm | 04:08 |
| |QuaD-_ | how does it work? | 04:08 |
| tseng | oh and my pet peeve | 04:09 |
| |QuaD-_ | really? i heard it was supposed to be soo simple | 04:09 |
| tseng | my other server has an A record | 04:09 |
| tseng | and no MX | 04:09 |
| tseng | guess what, hula wont send mail to it | 04:09 |
| |QuaD-_ | haha | 04:09 |
| tseng | i think even Qmail will fall back to the A record | 04:09 |
| |QuaD-_ | is that something they are fixing? | 04:10 |
| tseng | ive not gotten involved with upstream at all | 04:10 |
| tseng | enough to track with all the mono and gtk# stuff | 04:10 |
| |QuaD-_ | ohh | 04:10 |
| |QuaD-_ | so how much ram is the linode you are using? | 04:11 |
| tseng | i think he bumped the beta to 128 | 04:11 |
| |QuaD-_ | how do distros run in 64 mb? | 04:11 |
| tseng | my friend runs gentoo on it, spent alot of time parring things down with uclibc and all that | 04:11 |
| |QuaD-_ | i don't follwo | 04:12 |
| |QuaD-_ | *follow | 04:12 |
| tseng | debian i am thinking would be pretty alright if you tamed apache | 04:12 |
| tseng | to not spawn a zillion threads | 04:12 |
| |QuaD-_ | ohhh | 04:12 |
| tseng | postfix is very resource friendly | 04:12 |
| tseng | by design | 04:13 |
| |QuaD-_ | i am hoping wherever i live next year, will have fios, and i won't have to worry, and i can host my own server | 04:13 |
| |QuaD-_ | without any of that colocation buisness | 04:13 |
| tseng | we just got that in west chester | 04:13 |
| tseng | but i dont think theyll run it to my appt | 04:13 |
| tseng | i need the 30gb service injected directly into my vein | 04:14 |
| |QuaD-_ | i will be living in NYC next year, so i hope i get decent servie | 04:14 |
| |QuaD-_ | *service | 04:14 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: are the specs for xen linodes going to be the same as for uml ones? (prices and what you get) | 04:17 |
| tseng | no idea | 04:18 |
| tseng | the hosts look like quad xeons, or maybe dual with ht | 04:18 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: ok, how did you get hookedu p as a betatesters? | 04:18 |
| tseng | |QuaD-_: it was an invite deally | 04:19 |
| |QuaD-_ | figured that much | 04:19 |
| |QuaD-_ | i also don't know if i have the knowledge to truely secure a system | 04:20 |
| tseng | changes are neither does your current provider :/ | 04:20 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: probably, thats why i don't host anything critical on it | 04:20 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: thanks for the info, feels better to get it from someoen who has nothign to gain by telling me | 04:21 |
| tseng | rock on. | 04:23 |
| tseng | you might actually want something cheap for the time being, makes sense | 04:23 |
| |QuaD-_ | i don't recall if i told you what i pay, but there is nothing that compare to it, i just hate hte lack of control | 04:23 |
| tseng | i have a burning desire to control my own box | 04:24 |
| tseng | w/o messing with owning it and colocating anymore | 04:24 |
| |QuaD-_ | thats my biggest problem | 04:24 |
| tseng | that sucks too | 04:24 |
| tseng | esp if you dont get a remote console | 04:24 |
| |QuaD-_ | remote console is what allows you to install isos? | 04:24 |
| tseng | no, they have prebuilt disk images | 04:25 |
| tseng | you just pick one | 04:25 |
| |QuaD-_ | oh, yeah, thats nice | 04:25 |
| tseng | yeah they have a bunch of distros | 04:25 |
| |QuaD-_ | there is only one distro for me :) | 04:25 |
| tseng | :D | 04:25 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: now you are going to make me waste my money! | 04:25 |
| tseng | hey you can cancel later if you dont love it | 04:26 |
| tseng | and get some chinsy ftp only access to some black hole | 04:26 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: yeah, i am not worried about loving it | 04:26 |
| tseng | for $10/month | 04:26 |
| tseng | or whatever | 04:26 |
| |QuaD-_ | 3.95 :) | 04:26 |
| |QuaD-_ | which is why i have such a hard time leaving it | 04:26 |
| |QuaD-_ | eventually, my 1 oss project that i am working on will be hosted on it | 04:27 |
| |QuaD-_ | but i don't suspect it will get too much traffic | 04:28 |
| tseng | my blog gets ~700 unique vistors a month so far, and barely uses any bandwidth | 04:28 |
| tseng | are you on jabber and can hit me up? im starting to feel bad about hijacking the chan | 04:29 |
| |QuaD-_ | tseng: i don't use jabber.... aim? | 04:30 |
| tseng | sure | 04:30 |
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| jnc | look out, he's got a vertical bar! | 05:20 |
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| jnc | erg.... libgtkhtml20 missing | 05:26 |
| mpt | jnc: Just reimplement it from scratch | 05:31 |
| jnc | heh | 05:31 |
| jnc | i found it actually in universe | 05:31 |
| jnc | it's going to be an officially supported package, looks like... so there's some transitional fooby | 05:31 |
| jnc | it's missing on the mirror i was using | 05:31 |
| jnc | very strange | 05:31 |
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| mpt | jnc: What does it need to be officially supported for? | 05:51 |
| jnc | mpt: i don't know, i just spotted it in breezy with one of those official looking icons next to it under a new name, libgtkhtml2-0 | 05:51 |
| jnc | that's perhaps something very different | 05:51 |
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| jnc | gnucash relies on libgtkhtml | 05:54 |
| mpt | ah | 05:55 |
| mpt | and on a whole pile of other stuff I don't have installed | 05:55 |
| jnc | it's great for expense | 05:56 |
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| mpt | Interesting that I had nothing else installed that required bonobo | 05:56 |
| jdub | jnc: different versions - most importantly, gnome 1.x vs. gnome 2.x | 05:56 |
| jdub | jnc: gnucash is thusly unsupportable | 05:57 |
| jnc | ah | 05:57 |
| tseng | there is a similar mono app | 05:57 |
| tseng | what was that called | 05:57 |
| tseng | kurush | 05:57 |
| jdub | and another one martin sevoir is working on | 05:58 |
| tseng | does it look nice? | 05:58 |
| jdub | divifund | 05:59 |
| jdub | http://www.divifund.com/ | 05:59 |
| === mpt installs random crack | ||
| tseng | mmm crack | 05:59 |
| jdub | we should totally have that in ubuntu | 05:59 |
| tseng | we should, how are the depends | 05:59 |
| mpt | "The Import tab is still present but inoperable, providing a tantalizing glimpse of the future!" | 06:00 |
| tseng | a pygtk | 06:00 |
| === mpt &heart; open-source marketing | ||
| === jdub mails martin | ||
| tseng | this was one of Tim's lowest rated items | 06:06 |
| fabbione | morning | 06:08 |
| tseng | hiya | 06:08 |
| jdub | tseng: ah, but it rated at all :) | 06:10 |
| tseng | D+ | 06:11 |
| tseng | iirc | 06:11 |
| tseng | thats generous | 06:11 |
| jdub | (small business finance is way more important that personal finance, but this would be good to have nevertheless) | 06:12 |
| tseng | small business would be more like what we talked about with crossover | 06:12 |
| tseng | at least for a few years | 06:13 |
| tseng | freelance hackers arent interested in doing an oss quicken | 06:13 |
| tseng | there's no itch | 06:13 |
| jdub | martin had an itch - thus divifund :) | 06:14 |
| tseng | its a start. | 06:15 |
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| rnz | is there any plan to implement initng to speed up the boot process in breezy? I can find anything in the wiki. http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/ | 06:30 |
| jdub | rnz: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot | 06:32 |
| jdub | initng and friends aren't on the agenda at all right now | 06:33 |
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| blueyed | mit welchem dpkg-reconfigure sucht man nochmal die zu installierende keymap aus? | 08:00 |
| blueyed | ah.. console-data | 08:01 |
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| svenl | Mmm, is the fact that mplayer-g4 doesn't ship a mplayer binary a feature or a bug ? | 09:52 |
| svenl | Me guesses it is a bug. | 09:53 |
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| svenl | fabbione: you there ? | 10:24 |
| svenl | fabbione: i want to speak to you about mplayer on ppc. | 10:24 |
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| Zomb | is there an ubuntu port of debmirror? | 12:05 |
| bob2 | is there anything to port? | 12:06 |
| bob2 | I use debmirror to maintain my local Ubuntu mirror | 12:06 |
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| pitti | Hey folks | 12:13 |
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| ogra | hi pitti | 12:25 |
| pitti | Hey ogra | 12:25 |
| seb128 | pitti !! | 12:25 |
| ogra | hey seb128 | 12:25 |
| seb128 | hi | 12:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: quick hal question for you :) | 12:25 |
| pitti | seb128: timeout *hehe* | 12:26 |
| pitti | seb128: seriously, what's up? | 12:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: a friend has an usb key with a fat partition, hal mounts /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 for it ... any idea of why it could want to mount /dev/sdb ? | 12:26 |
| seb128 | that makes 2 icons on the desktop which is ugly | 12:27 |
| ogra | seb128, do you know if there is a list if dbus in/output strings for evo (i'm just starting to port evonotify to dbus and pygtk) | 12:27 |
| pitti | seb128: I bet he formatted the raw device (without a partition) once | 12:28 |
| pitti | seb128: that happened to me, too; unless you properly restore an MBR and the partition table, the hal detection still sees the original fs signatures in the reserved blocks | 12:28 |
| seb128 | pitti: where is this information? I mean "fdisk -l" displays one partition | 12:28 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 12:28 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, the fs detection is still buggy | 12:29 |
| seb128 | k, thanks | 12:29 |
| pitti | seb128: probably it would be a good idea to ignore the raw device as a volume if there are partitions | 12:29 |
| seb128 | yeah | 12:29 |
| pitti | seb128: can you ask him to file a bug? | 12:29 |
| seb128 | done :p | 12:29 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks, I'll care about that at some day :-) | 12:30 |
| seb128 | np, thank you :) | 12:31 |
| ska-fan | pitti: Where are the pgsql rpms now? p.u.o/~pitti doesn't work | 12:35 |
| ogra | pitti, oh, you provide rpms ? | 12:36 |
| ska-fan | s/rpms/debs/ | 12:36 |
| ogra | heh | 12:36 |
| ska-fan | old habit | 12:36 |
| seb128 | pitti: the guys says the key has never been formated, it shipped like this, already with one partition fat formatted | 12:38 |
| pitti | seb128: hmm, odd; maybe he can dd the first few MBs, gzip them and send them to me? | 12:39 |
| pitti | ska-fan: hmm, not? | 12:39 |
| pitti | ska-fan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/psql/ -> everything's there? | 12:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: dd if=/dev/sdb of=file ? | 12:40 |
| pitti | ska-fan: however, p-common is a bit outdated, you should use the Debian experimental version | 12:40 |
| pitti | seb128: ... bs=1k count=2048 | 12:40 |
| pitti | seb128: that will give me the first 2 MB | 12:40 |
| seb128 | cool, thanks | 12:40 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, I'm currently naming my photos, will upload them soon | 12:42 |
| seb128 | cool | 12:43 |
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| Nafallo | morning all | 12:53 |
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| pitti | Hey Nafallo | 01:08 |
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| ogra | has anybody an idea know why /usr/bin/fakeroot-sysv doesnt work for me ? its obviously the default alternative and just gets stuck silently... /usr/bin/fakeroot-tcp works... | 02:27 |
| azeem_ | I would have an explanation if you ran GNU/Hurd... | 02:29 |
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| ogra | azeem_, hmm, probably fabio named the kernel package wrong :) | 02:30 |
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| azeem_ | fakeroot always used to be fakeroot-sysv, FWIW | 02:31 |
| ogra | yeah, but i dont get why it stopped to work in breezy | 02:32 |
| azeem_ | Clint didn't like your new release name, perhaps | 02:33 |
| ogra | heh | 02:33 |
| pitti | seb128, ogra, doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/Sydney-2005/ | 02:37 |
| seb128 | cool | 02:37 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:38 |
| ogra | pitti, put it on the list: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder | 02:39 |
| pitti | ogra: it's only our vac, not the conference | 02:39 |
| pitti | ogra: but I can put it there anyway | 02:40 |
| ogra | hmm. | 02:40 |
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| ogra | good point | 02:40 |
| pitti | anyway, later! have to go now | 02:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/usb_key, the 2M file for the usb key | 02:40 |
| seb128 | I'll fill a bug with it | 02:40 |
| seb128 | have a good afternoon pitti :) | 02:41 |
| pitti | you too | 02:41 |
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| HiddenWolf | seb128, ping | 02:49 |
| seb128 | HiddenWolf: ? | 02:53 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 02:56 |
| Nafallo | 127_Animals ;-) | 02:57 |
| Nafallo | isn't that devils? | 02:57 |
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| HiddenWolf | seb128, I'm getting rather annoyed at gnome-panel, but I'm not sure how to fix it or how to report a bug about it | 02:59 |
| HiddenWolf | I've got a hoary with default settings for the window-list applet, and the tabs seem to 'jump around' a lot, whenever I open or close a window or the title in one of the tabs changes | 03:00 |
| HiddenWolf | IE, topic change in xchat, or another song starting in rhythmbox, the tabs do a little shuffle | 03:01 |
| kent | HiddenWolf, If im not mistaken, Nafallo had a problem like that yesterday. Perhaps you can talk with him aswell about it to sort it out? | 03:01 |
| HiddenWolf | kent, happen to know when he's on, usually? | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | . | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 03:02 |
| HiddenWolf | ah, convenient. :) | 03:02 |
| Nafallo | I really can't figure out what we can do about it though. | 03:03 |
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| Nafallo | seems the problem is all windows in the list must have the same size. | 03:04 |
| Nafallo | atleast that's a start on the problem ;-) | 03:05 |
| HiddenWolf | It just results in a very eye-catching bit of jumpiness, unfortunatly | 03:05 |
| seb128 | I've not noticed that | 03:06 |
| seb128 | but upstream is the right place for this | 03:06 |
| Nafallo | seb128: could it be x86_64 specific? :-) | 03:06 |
| seb128 | there is several bugs open about the windows list applet and the algos for the size/placements of the windows | 03:06 |
| seb128 | no | 03:06 |
| HiddenWolf | nafallo, running x86 here, so no | 03:06 |
| Nafallo | oki | 03:07 |
| seb128 | what do you do to get the "jumping" ? | 03:07 |
| seb128 | trying right now | 03:08 |
| seb128 | change songs with rhythmbox doesn't change anything else than the title | 03:08 |
| seb128 | song | 03:08 |
| seb128 | another son... | 03:08 |
| HiddenWolf | switch between networks in xchat is one | 03:08 |
| Nafallo | seb128: I take some screenshoots :-) | 03:08 |
| HiddenWolf | I'm connected to my game's clan server, and freenode, jumping from one channel to the other does it | 03:09 |
| Nafallo | seb128: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp/ | 03:10 |
| HiddenWolf | Rhythmbox does if if you have 2 windows open, and jump from a short songname to a long one and back | 03:10 |
| HiddenWolf | more than 2, and I guess the tab min/max sizes kick in. | 03:10 |
| seb128 | Nafallo: what do you do with this usb_key? | 03:11 |
| Nafallo | seb128: that's because of the extra " / #ubuntu-devel (+n)" for xchat's title. | 03:11 |
| Nafallo | seb128: only downloaded :-) | 03:12 |
| seb128 | yeah, but intend to fix it ? :) | 03:12 |
| Nafallo | seb128: I'll have a look atleast :-). I'll atleast learn something from every experience :-). | 03:13 |
| seb128 | k, it does that too here for xchat | 03:14 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, I get it too when jumping from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-devel | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | seb128: and you don't get annoyed? ;-) | 03:14 |
| HiddenWolf | with 3 windows open. | 03:14 |
| seb128 | I don't use the list this way | 03:14 |
| seb128 | I've a fixed min/max size | 03:14 |
| seb128 | and it doesn't do that with my config | 03:14 |
| seb128 | I've the same min/max size | 03:14 |
| seb128 | so the entries always take the same size which is "fixed sized/number of entries" | 03:15 |
| HiddenWolf | here it's at 50/4096 | 03:15 |
| seb128 | I know | 03:15 |
| seb128 | that's not my config :p | 03:15 |
| HiddenWolf | but afaik, it's default | 03:17 |
| HiddenWolf | and default jumpiness is ugly. :P | 03:17 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155870 | 03:17 |
| seb128 | I don't care | 03:17 |
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| seb128 | feel free to send a patch anyway :) | 03:17 |
| Nafallo | seb128: hehe. now you sound like a developer ;-) | 03:18 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125023 too | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | I've set it to 1000/100 in the meantime :-) | 03:19 |
| HiddenWolf | gnome bugzilla is confusing, lol | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | ehm 1000 | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | 1000/1000 | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | damn enter! | 03:19 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, is there something in gnome that can force an application to start up to notification area and not show its window, or must every application have a setting for that? | 03:22 |
| seb128 | app | 03:22 |
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| HiddenWolf | Hm. I'll go file a few bugs then. | 03:23 |
| seb128 | HiddenWolf: on what? | 03:24 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, upstream rythmbox/gaim | 03:26 |
| HiddenWolf | I have them opening automaticly in my session, but I don't want to see them come up every time. | 03:26 |
| ska-fan | it's an application bug. | 03:27 |
| ska-fan | gossip does that right. | 03:27 |
| HiddenWolf | ugh, wtf is wrong with firefox | 03:28 |
| HiddenWolf | I can't type without bringing up the finder. | 03:28 |
| HiddenWolf | can anyone here confirm something silly in rhythmbox for me? | 03:35 |
| HiddenWolf | it won't sort by play count decending for me if I have selected an album/artist. It will do it right when i've selected all/all in browser | 03:36 |
| HiddenWolf | playcount ascending only... :S | 03:36 |
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| zyga | hello | 04:58 |
| zyga | did anyone see the lates firefox exploit? | 04:58 |
| tseng | zyga: THOM IS A SLACKER | 05:00 |
| tseng | erm | 05:00 |
| tseng | yes. | 05:00 |
| thom | tseng: screw you hippy :P it's uploaded for hoary already | 05:01 |
| thom | all 8 exploits | 05:02 |
| thom | kthxbye | 05:02 |
| tseng | thom: <3 ! | 05:02 |
| thom | ;-) | 05:02 |
| zyga | tseng: err? :-) | 05:02 |
| zyga | thom: is it patched? | 05:03 |
| zyga | thom: or is it 'uploaded with those 8 exploits'? | 05:03 |
| tseng | with them fixed | 05:03 |
| zyga | really? | 05:03 |
| zyga | wow amazing :-) | 05:03 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 05:05 |
| Zomb | bob2: nothing to port? it does not work! | 05:18 |
| Zomb | Failed to download some Package, Sources, Contents or release files! | 05:18 |
| Zomb | must be confused with bzip2 compression | 05:18 |
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| Zomb | hm, no, looks like missing gpg verification caused that | 05:21 |
| thully | what is "MOM is awake" supposed to mean? It sounds kind of funny... | 05:22 |
| tseng | merge-o-matic | 05:22 |
| thully | funny... | 05:22 |
| thully | has anybody looked into making default font changes in the next release? I have a few ideas for this... | 05:23 |
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| thully | Mostly, making fonts smaller (as Firefox's default fonts, for instance, are HUGE on my laptop) | 05:24 |
| bluefoxicy | ok so how come on my laptop I hibernate and it comes back fine | 05:24 |
| bluefoxicy | but on my desktop I hibrenate and booting actually boots? | 05:24 |
| bluefoxicy | suspend to swap, but then boot instead of resume? :( | 05:25 |
| azeem_ | wrong kernel command-line? | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | the kernel command line on my laptop doesn't have a resume= | 05:25 |
| thully | bluefoxicy: did you upgrade your desktop from Warty? | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | the kernel bitches, but grabs it anyway | 05:25 |
| bluefoxicy | thully: yeah I think. | 05:26 |
| thully | if so, read the Hoary release notes - you have to fix something for suspend-to-disk to work | 05:26 |
| bluefoxicy | for the record that should NOT matter. | 05:26 |
| bluefoxicy | where are these release notes? | 05:26 |
| azeem_ | first hit on google | 05:27 |
| bluefoxicy | thanks. | 05:27 |
| bluefoxicy | ah | 05:28 |
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| bluefoxicy | "If a user clicks anywhere on a specially crafted page, this code will automatically create and execute a malicious batch/exe file." <-- In other news, Microsoft would like to help, and will be issuing patches some time in June of 2007 | 05:33 |
| bluefoxicy | oh, is there an emergency shell hack in the initrd btw? | 05:38 |
| bluefoxicy | so that I can get into my amd64 system without the . . .oh. | 05:38 |
| bluefoxicy | nevermind, there's no way to get to the sata module andload it from the initrd :/ | 05:39 |
| bluefoxicy | well. LiveCD time. | 05:39 |
| thom | bluefoxicy: uh, just load the rescue option from grub | 05:46 |
| bluefoxicy | thom: the initrd was built on a pata hard drive | 05:47 |
| bluefoxicy | so the kernel can't find the sata | 05:47 |
| bluefoxicy | there's no module for it and it panics trying to load the root fs, inable to find /dev/sda7 | 05:47 |
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| thom | woot; new bootchart doesn't use top and iostat anymore | 05:57 |
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| jiyuu0 | if [ `cat file | grep something` == "" ] ; then | 07:05 |
| jiyuu0 | i'm gettin this error | 07:05 |
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| jiyuu0 | test.sh: line 1: [: too many arguments | 07:06 |
| jiyuu0 | any idea? | 07:06 |
| tfheen | you probably want to do if [ "$(grep something file)" = "" ] | 07:06 |
| tfheen | == is a bashism | 07:06 |
| tfheen | cat file | grep something is better written as grep something file. | 07:06 |
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| Clint | and you probably want -z instead of = "" | 07:06 |
| tfheen | and you need to use "" if it expands into more than one word. | 07:06 |
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| jiyuu0 | thanks all :) | 07:07 |
| tfheen | also, I find $(command) more readable than `command` and it's easier nestable. | 07:07 |
| Clint | but really you should just use the return code of grep | 07:07 |
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| thom | is there any way to get nm to show the version of a symbol? | 07:21 |
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| ska-fan | Which package do I need to install for man 2 stat? | 07:54 |
| thom | manpages-dev | 07:54 |
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| Lathiat | tseng: humm, trying to run various windows.forms programs i get an erro from gdi about unsupported image formats, is there something i need to install? [it worked on an svn build so uh i have nfi] | 08:12 |
| tseng | our libgdiplus is old | 08:13 |
| tseng | for one. | 08:13 |
| tseng | i dont touch winforms myself | 08:13 |
| tseng | last i tried gdiplus from alioth it ftbfs | 08:15 |
| tseng | its at the bottom of my list | 08:15 |
| Lathiat | ah ok | 08:15 |
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| dholbach | hai | 08:20 |
| seb128 | daniel :)) | 08:21 |
| dholbach | sbastien! :-) | 08:21 |
| dholbach | mako: hey, any plans on a specific time for the CC on tuesday? | 08:22 |
| mako | dholbach: good point | 08:23 |
| dholbach | yes :-) | 08:23 |
| mako | i'm been hacking all weekend on my paper on ubuntu for linuxtag | 08:24 |
| ogra | hey, in case anyone is interested in this: http://www.divifund.com/ | 08:24 |
| ogra | www.grawert.net/divifund_0.62-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 08:24 |
| dholbach | because i'd be very sorry, if somebody of the folks that attended last time wouldn't be member, when they miss this one | 08:24 |
| dholbach | mako: i don't blame you :-) | 08:24 |
| mako | dholbach: people that attended last time don't need to attend again | 08:25 |
| mako | ogra: is it any good? | 08:25 |
| dholbach | magnon: ok | 08:25 |
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| ogra | mako, at least it works | 08:25 |
| mako | ogra: that's not really good enough :) | 08:25 |
| ogra | its not gnucash | 08:25 |
| mako | hmm | 08:25 |
| mako | gnucash is pretty good.. but it's also kind of gtk1 | 08:25 |
| ogra | yep | 08:25 |
| ogra | that thing is clean pygtk | 08:26 |
| dholbach | and it's broken every other day | 08:26 |
| ogra | so easy to extend | 08:26 |
| dholbach | ogra: put it on MOTUNewPackages and i give it a spin | 08:27 |
| ogra | dholbach, i'll do... | 08:27 |
| dholbach | i think reviewing will be the MOTU thing i have to jump in next | 08:28 |
| dholbach | the lists are pretty full | 08:28 |
| tseng | hi dholbach | 08:29 |
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| dholbach | hey tseng | 08:29 |
| tseng | ogra: working f-spot hopefully tmw | 08:29 |
| ogra | yay | 08:30 |
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| dholbach | mako: if you know a time, please tell me, and i'll tell the MOTU guys, change in on wiki/Calendar, #ubuntu-meeting and wiki/CCAgenda | 08:47 |
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| mako | dholbach: give me a second | 08:50 |
| dholbach | sure | 08:51 |
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| opi | !seen smurfix | 09:02 |
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| opi | no seen option, it seems :-) | 09:02 |
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| ska-fan | ogra: you packaged? | 09:21 |
| ogra | ska-fan, divifund ? | 09:21 |
| ska-fan | yes | 09:21 |
| ogra | yop | 09:21 |
| ska-fan | rm: `/usr/share/divifund/*.py': No such file or directory | 09:21 |
| ska-fan | with dpkg -i divifund...deb | 09:21 |
| ogra | argh | 09:21 |
| ogra | ok | 09:21 |
| ska-fan | this is hoary | 09:21 |
| ogra | its a packaging error | 09:22 |
| ska-fan | ogra: ping me if you want me to test a new version :) | 09:22 |
| opi | ska-fan: are you a true ska fan? :-) | 09:24 |
| ska-fan | opi: not really, I just like No Doubt | 09:24 |
| ska-fan | They are not so ska any more | 09:25 |
| opi | ska-fan: No Doubt was a ska band ;p | 09:25 |
| opi | ska-fan: but that's offtopic :-) | 09:25 |
| ska-fan | Hmm, strange bug | 09:29 |
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| ogra | ska-fan, package updated | 10:18 |
| ogra | (same name/version) | 10:18 |
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| du3-cc | hi ppls | 10:23 |
| du3-cc | r u developing an own version usplash? | 10:23 |
| tseng | how do you mean, our own version | 10:24 |
| tseng | afaik ubuntu is the only group persuing something called usplash | 10:25 |
| du3-cc | the original one is now called splashy.. thats why i asked.. | 10:25 |
| thom | no, the original one is the one we wrote in oxford a year ago | 10:26 |
| du3-cc | hmm | 10:27 |
| cartman | wonder usplash will work with custom kernels? | 10:27 |
| du3-cc | if its really userspace.. then it have to.. | 10:28 |
| du3-cc | but why the renaming.. | 10:28 |
| du3-cc | is there an ubuntu project for that? | 10:28 |
| cartman | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash maybe | 10:28 |
| Lathiat | the only problem with working with custom kernels will be framebuffer support, as long as it has that its fine. | 10:28 |
| thom | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash | 10:29 |
| cartman | Lathiat: ah I compile in framebuffer support | 10:29 |
| cartman | only problem with Ubuntu kernel is that it has no logo | 10:29 |
| cartman | I miss cute penguin | 10:29 |
| Lathiat | i hate that stupid penguin. :) | 10:29 |
| cartman | bah := | 10:30 |
| cartman | :) | 10:30 |
| Lathiat | its a hack anyway | 10:30 |
| Lathiat | if you switch vts it goes away and then sometimes you get weird issues with that | 10:31 |
| cartman | I don't touch VTs unless its gone by itself :) | 10:31 |
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| ska-fan | ogra: Works (that is installs and runs now) but it seems veeery unfinished | 10:48 |
| ogra | ska-fan, it computes the numbers and exports to gnumeric...thats a start :) i just want it in universe, if there is a source package and someting to demo-run, people are more likely encouraged to work on someting ;) | 10:49 |
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