[12:37] <hunger> Is there a reason why g++ still depends on the 3.3 compiler?
[12:39] <ska-fan> Is there a friendly user channel, btw?
[12:40] <ska-fan> recommending #ubuntu is like a spit in the face :)
[12:40] <|QuaD-> ska-fan: #ubuntu
[12:40] <Nafallo> lol!
[12:40] <Nafallo> ska-fan: why isn't #ubuntu friendly?
[12:40] <hunger> ska-fan: Actually I fleed here myself;-)
[12:41] <Nafallo> hunger: kernel? :-)
[12:41] <hunger> Nafallo: kernel what?
[12:42] <Nafallo> hunger: the kernel is compiled with gcc-3.3
[12:42] <ska-fan> Nafallo: It's full of annoying persons that flood and do other evil stuff.
[12:42] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:42] <ska-fan> I haven't got a single useful answer in #ubuntu yet
[12:42] <hunger> Nafallo: Shouldn't be... gcc is at version 4 for a while now.
[12:42] <Nafallo> ska-fan: ohh.
[12:43] <hunger> Nafallo: g++ is the only thing left at 3.3 for now.
[12:43] <LinuxJones> ska-fan, with what ?
[12:44] <hunger> ska-fan: I actually just found the channel too noisy...
[12:44] <ska-fan> LinuxJones: ?
[12:44] <LinuxJones> ska-fan, you didn't get an answer to what questions ?
[12:44] <ska-fan> LinuxJones: I don't remember the questions
[12:45] <Nafallo> hunger: probably the ToolchainTransition isn't done yet :-)
[12:46] <Nafallo> hunger: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolchainRoadmap
[12:46] <hunger> Nafallo: Ah! The hidden wiki again;-)
[01:05] <thully> hi - well, I finished making my changes to RestrictedFormats wiki... the hoary-extras source won't be good for gstreamer until tomorrow...
[01:16] <thully> someone mentioned earlier looking into MP2 ripping support, since it's compatible with many MP3 devices - this sounds interesting...
[01:16] <giskard> hi, one of yours users sent me a mail about a nvu bug (i'm the debian maintainer) saying me (also) that yours "reportbug" on amd64 is buggy  
[01:16] <giskard> for more info
[01:16] <giskard> look here : http://pastebin.com/281046
[01:55] <thully> Earlier here, we were discussing MP2 ripping support as a possible alternative to MP3.. turns out the iPod doesn't support it (which makes it not-that-useful)
[01:57] <crimsun> mp2 is fairly dubious as an alternative anyhow
[01:58] <crimsun> it'd be more fruitful to consider musepack (I have prelim packages), but ogg vorbis is really the better choice
[01:59] <thully> I don't find a format which doesn't work on 90% of players that play digital music files as a really ideal choice... but with the patent situation it may be the best available
[01:59] <thully> what is musepack, btw?
[02:03] <crimsun> www.musepack.net
[02:04] <thully> what's it's advantages over other encoders?
[02:04] <crimsun> it's the fastest
[02:05] <crimsun> it's either GPLed or BSDed, depending on which component, so it's DFSG-free
[02:05] <crimsun> there's a gst plugin
[02:05] <JanC> AFAIK musepack has problems with patents ?
[02:06] <crimsun> JanC: no, it used to, but all the code is free now
[02:06] <thully> From the looks of it, though, it's a format less supported than ogg (as in portable devices etc)
[02:06] <crimsun> oh definitely, thully.
[02:07] <crimsun> the only format that's supported en masse is mpeg 1 layer 3
[02:08] <JanC> the XviD code is also free, but it's still covered by patents...
[02:09] <thully> yes - I was pretty much wondering if there was another format with no patent encumbrance that works with most MP3 players (other than .wav, or course)
[02:09] <crimsun> JanC: yes, but the basis of musepack is not patent-encumbered
[02:10] <JanC> it's based on MPEG1/2, just like "MP3" ?
[02:10] <thully> however, I don't see the real point of musepack when even ogg has far more support than it
[02:10] <womble> thully: Not from my research, no.
[02:10] <crimsun> it had roots in mpeg1/2, but the current code bears no resemblance to them
[02:12] <JanC> "resemblance of the code" is not important for patents  ;)
[02:12] <crimsun> JanC: but it's not even based on mpeg1/2 anymore.
[02:12] <JanC> then it's not compatible with earlier versions?
[02:13] <JanC> that would be stupid...
[02:13] <crimsun> there was a break in the versions some time ago
[02:13] <JanC> but maybe those patents expired together with most of the MPEG 1/2 patents
[02:14] <thully> I guess most people will be using lame from multiverse to rip music for a while...
[02:14] <crimsun> not if they use the default Sound Juicer :)
[02:16] <thully> well - chances are they will try to load those files to their iPod and find they don't work, so they will end up setting up LAME...
[02:18] <crimsun> sure. Or they might be inclined to use jHymn or something as I do
[02:19] <thully> yes - but that is only for iTunes store music
[02:19] <crimsun> indeed. Unfortunately there is no holy grail
[02:53] <bob2> lifeless: email jurij@wooyd.org
[02:53] <bob2> lifeless: with your ssh key
[02:54] <lifeless> done
[03:34] <tseng> 73% of visitors to my site use firefox
[03:34] <tseng> the next 8% use mozilla
[03:34] <tseng> pretty rock.
[03:49] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what does epiphany come up as?
[03:50] <tseng> |QuaD-_: mozilla probably. are you a regular visitor to my blog?
[03:50] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i think i have visited it a few times
[03:50] <tseng> i dont see any epiphany specific group
[03:50] <tseng> Camino is last at .1%
[03:51] <|QuaD-_> i just started using epiphany though, so i wouldn't show up as epiphany
[03:51] <tseng> i see
[03:51] <|QuaD-_> i was just curious
[03:51] <tseng> 3.6% is unknown, could be there
[03:52] <|QuaD-_> i am looking to see if i can change the browser tag in epiphany
[03:53] <|QuaD-_> who knows
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> 61.8% on my site use firefox
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> 35.9% use ie
[03:54] <tseng> oh man
[03:54] <tseng> i only have 5.7% ie :P
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> i don't even know who views my site
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> i don't have any content on it
[03:54] <|QuaD-_> ohh, probably my family, cuz i have a gallery on it
[03:56] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what type of hosting service you use (like a vds, your own server...)
[03:56] <tseng> my own server
[03:56] <tseng> but im beta testing linode.com's xen service
[03:56] <tseng> which I will be subscribing to as soon as its out of beta
[03:56] <tseng> their current service is based on uml
[03:56] <|QuaD-_> tseng: is it in a server farm or your house?
[03:56] <tseng> my server is colocated, yes
[03:57] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i want a linode, i kinda thought it was a rip off though
[03:57] <tseng> its not a rip off at all
[03:57] <tseng> they house, maintain, and power and connect you to a very nice network
[03:57] <|QuaD-_> tseng: for $50 i can get a dedicated server
[03:57] <tseng> you cant buy your own box and colocate it for < $50
[03:57] <tseng> |QuaD-_: yes, you can.
[03:58] <|QuaD-_> tseng: if i colocate with 2 people, thats cheaper
[03:58] <tseng> will you be getting console access?
[03:58] <|QuaD-_> tseng: no idea, haven't really looked into it
[03:58] <tseng> and dead-easy distro installs over the web
[03:59] <|QuaD-_> the shared plan i have now isn't up for 2 months
[03:59] <tseng> the win for linode is the management as much as the box itself
[03:59] <tseng> sure you can buy a box from anyone
[04:00] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, but you get soo little space and bandwith for the price they charge
[04:00] <|QuaD-_> i was looking at the $20/month plan
[04:00] <tseng> ive used 2% of my 50gb this month
[04:01] <tseng> thats after i got family guy and a cd from bittorrent
[04:01] <tseng> anyway, if its not right for you, great
[04:01] <tseng> im just a huge fan :)
[04:01] <|QuaD-_> i use about 30gb a month
[04:02] <|QuaD-_> tseng: if i got like 5gb space and 100 gb bandwith for the linode 64 plan, i would probably do it
[04:02] <tseng> 100gb? where are you getting that much I wonder
[04:02] <tseng> for $20/month
[04:02] <tseng> i dont know anywhere you can get a psuedo dedicated system for $20
[04:03] <|QuaD-_> right now, i have shared hosting for $3.95 a month, 150 gb bandwith 5 gb space
[04:03] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, thats why i don't if vds is for me
[04:03] <tseng> shared = ftp to a directory?
[04:03] <|QuaD-_> cpanel account, i hate it, except its sooo cheap, and i am broke
[04:03] <tseng> well.. im rich :P
[04:04] <tseng> relative to my situation anyway
[04:04] <|QuaD-_> haha
[04:07] <|QuaD-_> tseng: you are running ubuntu on your xen linode/
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> ?
[04:08] <tseng> |QuaD-_: yes
[04:08] <tseng> right now they have a warty image, very easy to upgrade to hoary
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what mailserver?
[04:08] <tseng> postfix
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> no experience with hula/
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> ?
[04:08] <tseng> i have hula on there also just for kicks
[04:08] <tseng> but the admin sucks majorly atm
[04:08] <|QuaD-_> how does it work?
[04:09] <tseng> oh and my pet peeve
[04:09] <|QuaD-_> really? i heard it was supposed to be soo simple
[04:09] <tseng> my other server has an A record
[04:09] <tseng> and no MX
[04:09] <tseng> guess what, hula wont send mail to it
[04:09] <|QuaD-_> haha
[04:09] <tseng> i think even Qmail will fall back to the A record
[04:10] <|QuaD-_> is that something they are fixing?
[04:10] <tseng> ive not gotten involved with upstream at all
[04:10] <tseng> enough to track with all the mono and gtk# stuff
[04:10] <|QuaD-_> ohh
[04:11] <|QuaD-_> so how much ram is the linode you are using?
[04:11] <tseng> i think he bumped the beta to 128
[04:11] <|QuaD-_> how do distros run in 64 mb?
[04:11] <tseng> my friend runs gentoo on it, spent alot of time parring things down with uclibc and all that
[04:12] <|QuaD-_> i don't follwo
[04:12] <|QuaD-_> *follow
[04:12] <tseng> debian i am thinking would be pretty alright if you tamed apache
[04:12] <tseng> to not spawn a zillion threads
[04:12] <|QuaD-_> ohhh
[04:12] <tseng> postfix is very resource friendly
[04:13] <tseng> by design
[04:13] <|QuaD-_> i am hoping wherever i live next year, will have fios, and i won't have to worry, and i can host my own server
[04:13] <|QuaD-_> without any of that colocation buisness
[04:13] <tseng> we just got that in west chester
[04:13] <tseng> but i dont think theyll run it to my appt
[04:14] <tseng> i need the 30gb service injected directly into my vein
[04:14] <|QuaD-_> i will be living in NYC next year, so i hope i get decent servie
[04:14] <|QuaD-_> *service
[04:17] <|QuaD-_> tseng: are the specs for xen linodes going to be the same as for uml ones? (prices and what you get)
[04:18] <tseng> no idea
[04:18] <tseng> the hosts look like quad xeons, or maybe dual with ht
[04:18] <|QuaD-_>  tseng: ok, how did you get hookedu p as a betatesters?
[04:19] <tseng> |QuaD-_: it was an invite deally
[04:19] <|QuaD-_> figured that much
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> i also don't know if i have the knowledge to truely secure a system
[04:20] <tseng> changes are neither does your current provider :/
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> tseng: probably, thats why i don't host anything critical on it
[04:21] <|QuaD-_> tseng: thanks for the info, feels better to get it from someoen who has nothign to gain by telling me
[04:23] <tseng> rock on.
[04:23] <tseng> you might actually want something cheap for the time being, makes sense
[04:23] <|QuaD-_> i don't recall if i told you what i pay, but there is nothing that compare to it, i just hate hte lack of control
[04:24] <tseng> i have a burning desire to control my own box
[04:24] <tseng> w/o messing with owning it and colocating anymore
[04:24] <|QuaD-_> thats my biggest problem
[04:24] <tseng> that sucks too
[04:24] <tseng> esp if you dont get a remote console
[04:24] <|QuaD-_> remote console is what allows you to install isos?
[04:25] <tseng> no, they have prebuilt disk images
[04:25] <tseng> you just pick one
[04:25] <|QuaD-_> oh, yeah, thats nice
[04:25] <tseng> yeah they have a bunch of distros
[04:25] <|QuaD-_> there is only one distro for me :)
[04:25] <tseng> :D
[04:25] <|QuaD-_> tseng: now you are going to make me waste my money!
[04:26] <tseng> hey you can cancel later if you dont love it
[04:26] <tseng> and get some chinsy ftp only access to some black hole
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, i am not worried about loving it
[04:26] <tseng> for $10/month
[04:26] <tseng> or whatever
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> 3.95 :)
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> which is why i have such a hard time leaving it
[04:27] <|QuaD-_> eventually, my 1 oss project that i am working on will be hosted on it
[04:28] <|QuaD-_> but i don't suspect it will get too much traffic
[04:28] <tseng> my blog gets ~700 unique vistors a month so far, and barely uses any bandwidth
[04:29] <tseng> are you on jabber and can hit me up? im starting to feel bad about hijacking the chan
[04:30] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i don't use jabber.... aim?
[04:30] <tseng> sure
[05:20] <jnc> look out, he's got a vertical bar!
[05:26] <jnc> erg.... libgtkhtml20 missing
[05:31] <mpt> jnc: Just reimplement it from scratch
[05:31] <jnc> heh
[05:31] <jnc> i found it actually in universe
[05:31] <jnc> it's going to be an officially supported package, looks like... so there's some transitional fooby 
[05:31] <jnc> it's missing on the mirror i was using
[05:31] <jnc> very strange
[05:51] <mpt> jnc: What does it need to be officially supported for?
[05:51] <jnc> mpt: i don't know, i just spotted it in breezy with one of those official looking icons next to it under a new name, libgtkhtml2-0
[05:51] <jnc> that's perhaps something very different
[05:54] <jnc> gnucash relies on libgtkhtml
[05:55] <mpt> ah
[05:55] <mpt> and on a whole pile of other stuff I don't have installed
[05:56] <jnc> it's great for expense
[05:56] <mpt> Interesting that I had nothing else installed that required bonobo
[05:56] <jdub> jnc: different versions - most importantly, gnome 1.x vs. gnome 2.x
[05:57] <jdub> jnc: gnucash is thusly unsupportable
[05:57] <jnc> ah
[05:57] <tseng> there is a similar mono app
[05:57] <tseng> what was that called
[05:57] <tseng> kurush
[05:58] <jdub> and another one martin sevoir is working on
[05:58] <tseng> does it look nice?
[05:59] <jdub> divifund
[05:59] <jdub> http://www.divifund.com/
[05:59] <tseng> mmm crack
[05:59] <jdub> we should totally have that in ubuntu
[05:59] <tseng> we should, how are the depends
[06:00] <mpt> "The Import tab is still present but inoperable, providing a tantalizing glimpse of the future!"
[06:00] <tseng> a pygtk
[06:06] <tseng> this was one of Tim's lowest rated items
[06:08] <fabbione> morning
[06:08] <tseng> hiya
[06:10] <jdub> tseng: ah, but it rated at all :)
[06:11] <tseng> D+
[06:11] <tseng> iirc
[06:11] <tseng> thats generous
[06:12] <jdub> (small business finance is way more important that personal finance, but this would be good to have nevertheless)
[06:12] <tseng> small business would be more like what we talked about with crossover
[06:13] <tseng> at least for a few years
[06:13] <tseng> freelance hackers arent interested in doing an oss quicken
[06:13] <tseng> there's no itch
[06:14] <jdub> martin had an itch - thus divifund :)
[06:15] <tseng> its a start.
[06:30] <rnz> is there any plan to implement initng to speed up the boot process in breezy? I can find anything in the wiki. http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[06:32] <jdub> rnz: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot
[06:33] <jdub> initng and friends aren't on the agenda at all right now
[08:00] <blueyed> mit welchem dpkg-reconfigure sucht man nochmal die zu installierende keymap aus?
[08:01] <blueyed> ah.. console-data
[09:52] <svenl> Mmm, is the fact that mplayer-g4 doesn't ship a mplayer binary a feature or a bug ? 
[09:53] <svenl> Me guesses it is a bug.
[10:24] <svenl> fabbione: you there ?
[10:24] <svenl> fabbione: i want to speak to you about mplayer on ppc.
[12:05] <Zomb> is there an ubuntu port of debmirror?
[12:06] <bob2> is there anything to port?
[12:06] <bob2> I use debmirror to maintain my local Ubuntu mirror
[12:13] <pitti> Hey folks
[12:25] <ogra> hi pitti 
[12:25] <pitti> Hey ogra
[12:25] <seb128> pitti !!
[12:25] <ogra> hey seb128 
[12:25] <seb128> hi
[12:25] <seb128> pitti: quick hal question for you :)
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: timeout *hehe*
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: seriously, what's up?
[12:26] <seb128> pitti: a friend has an usb key with a fat partition, hal mounts /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 for it ... any idea of why it could want to mount /dev/sdb ?
[12:27] <seb128> that makes 2 icons on the desktop which is ugly
[12:27] <ogra> seb128, do you know if there is a list if dbus in/output strings for evo (i'm just starting to port evonotify to dbus and pygtk)
[12:28] <pitti> seb128: I bet he formatted the raw device (without a partition) once
[12:28] <pitti> seb128: that happened to me, too; unless you properly restore an MBR and the partition table, the hal detection still sees the original fs signatures in the reserved blocks
[12:28] <seb128> pitti: where is this information? I mean "fdisk -l" displays one partition
[12:28] <seb128> hum, k
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: yeah, the fs detection is still buggy
[12:29] <seb128> k, thanks
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: probably it would be a good idea to ignore the raw device as a volume if there are partitions
[12:29] <seb128> yeah
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: can you ask him to file a bug?
[12:29] <seb128> done :p
[12:30] <pitti> seb128: thanks, I'll care about that at some day :-)
[12:31] <seb128> np, thank you :)
[12:35] <ska-fan> pitti: Where are the pgsql rpms now? p.u.o/~pitti doesn't work
[12:36] <ogra> pitti, oh, you provide rpms ?
[12:36] <ska-fan> s/rpms/debs/
[12:36] <ogra> heh
[12:36] <ska-fan> old habit
[12:38] <seb128> pitti: the guys says the key has never been formated, it shipped like this, already with one partition fat formatted 
[12:39] <pitti> seb128: hmm, odd; maybe he can dd the first few MBs, gzip them and send them to me?
[12:39] <pitti> ska-fan: hmm, not?
[12:39] <pitti> ska-fan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/psql/  -> everything's there?
[12:40] <seb128> pitti: dd if=/dev/sdb of=file ?
[12:40] <pitti> ska-fan: however, p-common is a bit outdated, you should use the Debian experimental version
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: ... bs=1k count=2048
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: that will give me the first 2 MB
[12:40] <seb128> cool, thanks
[12:42] <pitti> seb128: btw, I'm currently naming my photos, will upload them soon
[12:43] <seb128> cool
[12:53] <Nafallo> morning all
[01:08] <pitti> Hey Nafallo
[02:27] <ogra> has anybody an idea know why /usr/bin/fakeroot-sysv doesnt work for me ? its obviously the default alternative and just gets stuck silently... /usr/bin/fakeroot-tcp works...
[02:29] <azeem_> I would have an explanation if you ran GNU/Hurd...
[02:30] <ogra> azeem_, hmm, probably fabio named the kernel package wrong :)
[02:31] <azeem_> fakeroot always used to be fakeroot-sysv, FWIW
[02:32] <ogra> yeah, but i dont get why it stopped to work in breezy
[02:33] <azeem_> Clint didn't like your new release name, perhaps
[02:33] <ogra> heh
[02:37] <pitti> seb128, ogra, doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/Sydney-2005/
[02:37] <seb128> cool
[02:38] <ogra> yeah
[02:39] <ogra> pitti, put it on the list: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[02:39] <pitti> ogra: it's only our vac, not the conference
[02:40] <pitti> ogra: but I can put it there anyway
[02:40] <ogra> hmm.
[02:40] <ogra> good point
[02:40] <pitti> anyway, later! have to go now
[02:40] <seb128> pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/usb_key, the 2M file for the usb key
[02:40] <seb128> I'll fill a bug with it
[02:41] <seb128> have a good afternoon pitti :)
[02:41] <pitti> you too
[02:49] <HiddenWolf> seb128, ping
[02:53] <seb128> HiddenWolf: ?
[02:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:57] <Nafallo> 127_Animals ;-)
[02:57] <Nafallo> isn't that devils?
[02:59] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I'm getting rather annoyed at gnome-panel, but I'm not sure how to fix it or how to report a bug about it
[03:00] <HiddenWolf> I've got a hoary with default settings for the window-list applet, and the tabs seem to 'jump around' a lot, whenever I open or close a window or the title in one of the tabs changes
[03:01] <HiddenWolf> IE, topic change in xchat, or another song starting in rhythmbox, the tabs do a little shuffle
[03:01] <kent> HiddenWolf, If im not mistaken, Nafallo had a problem like that yesterday. Perhaps you can talk with him aswell about it to sort it out? 
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> kent, happen to know when he's on, usually?
[03:02] <Nafallo> .
[03:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:02] <HiddenWolf> ah, convenient. :)
[03:03] <Nafallo> I really can't figure out what we can do about it though.
[03:04] <Nafallo> seems the problem is all windows in the list must have the same size.
[03:05] <Nafallo> atleast that's a start on the problem ;-)
[03:05] <HiddenWolf> It just results in a very eye-catching bit of jumpiness, unfortunatly
[03:06] <seb128> I've not noticed that
[03:06] <seb128> but upstream is the right place for this
[03:06] <Nafallo> seb128: could it be x86_64 specific? :-)
[03:06] <seb128> there is several bugs open about the windows list applet and the algos for the size/placements of the windows
[03:06] <seb128> no
[03:06] <HiddenWolf> nafallo, running x86 here, so no
[03:07] <Nafallo> oki
[03:07] <seb128> what do you do to get the "jumping" ?
[03:08] <seb128> trying right now
[03:08] <seb128> change songs with rhythmbox doesn't change anything else than the title
[03:08] <seb128> song
[03:08] <seb128> another son...
[03:08] <HiddenWolf> switch between networks in xchat is one
[03:08] <Nafallo> seb128: I take some screenshoots :-)
[03:09] <HiddenWolf> I'm connected to my game's clan server, and freenode, jumping from one channel to the other does it
[03:10] <Nafallo> seb128: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp/
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> Rhythmbox does if if you have 2 windows open, and jump from a short songname to a long one and back
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> more than 2, and I guess the tab min/max sizes kick in.
[03:11] <seb128> Nafallo: what do you do with this usb_key?
[03:11] <Nafallo> seb128: that's because of the extra " / #ubuntu-devel (+n)" for xchat's title.
[03:12] <Nafallo> seb128: only downloaded :-)
[03:12] <seb128> yeah, but intend to fix it ? :)
[03:13] <Nafallo> seb128: I'll have a look atleast :-). I'll atleast learn something from every experience :-).
[03:14] <seb128> k, it does that too here for xchat
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> seb128, I get it too when jumping from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-devel
[03:14] <Nafallo> seb128: and you don't get annoyed? ;-)
[03:14] <HiddenWolf> with 3 windows open.
[03:14] <seb128> I don't use the list this way
[03:14] <seb128> I've a fixed min/max size
[03:14] <seb128> and it doesn't do that with my config
[03:14] <seb128> I've the same min/max size
[03:15] <seb128> so the entries always take the same size which is "fixed sized/number of entries"
[03:15] <HiddenWolf> here it's at 50/4096
[03:15] <seb128> I know
[03:15] <seb128> that's not my config :p
[03:17] <HiddenWolf> but afaik, it's default
[03:17] <HiddenWolf> and default jumpiness is ugly. :P
[03:17] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155870
[03:17] <seb128> I don't care
[03:17] <seb128> feel free to send a patch anyway :)
[03:18] <Nafallo> seb128: hehe. now you sound like a developer ;-)
[03:18] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125023 too
[03:19] <Nafallo> I've set it to 1000/100 in the meantime :-)
[03:19] <HiddenWolf> gnome bugzilla is confusing, lol
[03:19] <Nafallo> ehm 1000
[03:19] <Nafallo> 1000/1000
[03:19] <Nafallo> damn enter!
[03:22] <HiddenWolf> seb128, is there something in gnome that can force an application to start up to notification area and not show its window, or must every application have a setting for that?
[03:22] <seb128> app
[03:23] <HiddenWolf> Hm. I'll go file a few bugs then. 
[03:24] <seb128> HiddenWolf: on what?
[03:26] <HiddenWolf> seb128, upstream rythmbox/gaim
[03:26] <HiddenWolf> I have them opening automaticly in my session, but I don't want to see them come up every time.
[03:27] <ska-fan> it's an application bug.
[03:27] <ska-fan> gossip does that right.
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> ugh, wtf is wrong with firefox
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> I can't type without bringing up the finder.
[03:35] <HiddenWolf> can anyone here confirm something silly in rhythmbox for me?
[03:36] <HiddenWolf> it won't sort by play count decending for me if I have selected an album/artist. It will do it right when i've selected all/all in browser
[03:36] <HiddenWolf> playcount ascending only... :S
[04:58] <zyga> hello
[04:58] <zyga> did anyone see the lates firefox exploit?
[05:00] <tseng> zyga: THOM IS A SLACKER
[05:00] <tseng> erm
[05:00] <tseng> yes.
[05:01] <thom> tseng: screw you hippy :P it's uploaded for hoary already
[05:02] <thom> all 8 exploits
[05:02] <thom> kthxbye
[05:02] <tseng> thom: <3 !
[05:02] <thom> ;-)
[05:02] <zyga> tseng: err? :-)
[05:03] <zyga> thom: is it patched?
[05:03] <zyga> thom: or is it 'uploaded with those 8 exploits'?
[05:03] <tseng> with them fixed
[05:03] <zyga> really?
[05:03] <zyga> wow amazing :-)
[05:05] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:18] <Zomb> bob2: nothing to port? it does not work!
[05:18] <Zomb> Failed to download some Package, Sources, Contents or release files!
[05:18] <Zomb> must be confused with bzip2 compression
[05:21] <Zomb> hm, no, looks like missing gpg verification caused that
[05:22] <thully> what is "MOM is awake" supposed to mean?  It sounds kind of funny...
[05:22] <tseng> merge-o-matic
[05:22] <thully> funny...
[05:23] <thully> has anybody looked into making default font changes in the next release?  I have a few ideas for this...
[05:24] <thully> Mostly, making fonts smaller (as Firefox's default fonts, for instance, are HUGE on my laptop)
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> ok so how come on my laptop I hibernate and it comes back fine
[05:24] <bluefoxicy> but on my desktop I hibrenate and booting actually boots?
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> suspend to swap, but then boot instead of resume?  :(
[05:25] <azeem_> wrong kernel command-line?
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> the kernel command line on my laptop doesn't have a resume=
[05:25] <thully> bluefoxicy: did you upgrade your desktop from Warty?
[05:25] <bluefoxicy> the kernel bitches, but grabs it anyway
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> thully:  yeah I think.
[05:26] <thully> if so, read the Hoary release notes - you have to fix something for suspend-to-disk to work
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> for the record that should NOT matter.
[05:26] <bluefoxicy> where are these release notes?
[05:27] <azeem_> first hit on google
[05:27] <bluefoxicy> thanks.
[05:28] <bluefoxicy> ah
[05:33] <bluefoxicy> "If a user clicks anywhere on a specially crafted page, this code will automatically create and execute a malicious batch/exe file."  <-- In other news, Microsoft would like to help, and will be issuing patches some time in June of 2007
[05:38] <bluefoxicy> oh, is there an emergency shell hack in the initrd btw?
[05:38] <bluefoxicy> so that I can get into my amd64 system without the . . .oh.
[05:39] <bluefoxicy> nevermind, there's no way to get to the sata module andload it from the initrd :/
[05:39] <bluefoxicy> well.  LiveCD time.
[05:46] <thom> bluefoxicy: uh, just load the rescue option from grub
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> thom:  the initrd was built on a pata hard drive
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> so the kernel can't find the sata
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> there's no module for it and it panics trying to load the root fs, inable to find /dev/sda7
[05:57] <thom> woot; new bootchart doesn't use top and iostat anymore
[07:05] <jiyuu0> if [ `cat file | grep something` == "" ] ; then
[07:05] <jiyuu0> i'm gettin this error
[07:06] <jiyuu0> test.sh: line 1: [: too many arguments
[07:06] <jiyuu0> any idea?
[07:06] <tfheen> you probably want to do if [ "$(grep something file)" = "" ] 
[07:06] <tfheen> == is a bashism
[07:06] <tfheen> cat file | grep something is better written as grep something file.
[07:06] <Clint> and you probably want -z instead of = ""
[07:06] <tfheen> and you need to use "" if it expands into more than one word.
[07:07] <jiyuu0> thanks all :)
[07:07] <tfheen> also, I find $(command) more readable than `command` and it's easier nestable.
[07:07] <Clint> but really you should just use the return code of grep
[07:21] <thom> is there any way to get nm to show the version of a symbol?
[07:54] <ska-fan> Which package do I need to install for man 2 stat?
[07:54] <thom> manpages-dev
[08:12] <Lathiat> tseng: humm, trying to run various windows.forms programs i get an erro from gdi about unsupported image formats, is there something i need to install? [it worked on an svn build so uh i have nfi] 
[08:13] <tseng> our libgdiplus is old
[08:13] <tseng> for one.
[08:13] <tseng> i dont touch winforms myself
[08:15] <tseng> last i tried gdiplus from alioth it ftbfs
[08:15] <tseng> its at the bottom of my list
[08:15] <Lathiat> ah ok
[08:20] <dholbach> hai
[08:21] <seb128> daniel :))
[08:21] <dholbach> sbastien! :-)
[08:22] <dholbach> mako: hey, any plans on a specific time for the CC on tuesday?
[08:23] <mako> dholbach: good point
[08:23] <dholbach> yes :-)
[08:24] <mako> i'm been hacking all weekend on my paper on ubuntu for linuxtag
[08:24] <ogra> hey, in case anyone is interested in this: http://www.divifund.com/
[08:24] <ogra> www.grawert.net/divifund_0.62-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:24] <dholbach> because i'd be very sorry, if somebody of the folks that attended last time wouldn't be member, when they miss this one
[08:24] <dholbach> mako: i don't blame you :-)
[08:25] <mako> dholbach: people that attended last time don't need to attend again
[08:25] <mako> ogra: is it any good?
[08:25] <dholbach> magnon: ok
[08:25] <ogra> mako, at least it works 
[08:25] <mako> ogra: that's not really good enough :)
[08:25] <ogra> its not gnucash
[08:25] <mako> hmm
[08:25] <mako> gnucash is pretty good.. but it's also kind of gtk1
[08:25] <ogra> yep
[08:26] <ogra> that thing is clean pygtk
[08:26] <dholbach> and it's broken every other day
[08:26] <ogra> so easy to extend
[08:27] <dholbach> ogra: put it on MOTUNewPackages and i give it a spin
[08:27] <ogra> dholbach, i'll do...
[08:28] <dholbach> i think reviewing will be the MOTU thing i have to jump in next
[08:28] <dholbach> the lists are pretty full
[08:29] <tseng> hi dholbach 
[08:29] <dholbach> hey tseng 
[08:29] <tseng> ogra: working f-spot hopefully tmw
[08:30] <ogra> yay
[08:47] <dholbach> mako: if you know a time, please tell me, and i'll tell the MOTU guys, change in on wiki/Calendar, #ubuntu-meeting and wiki/CCAgenda
[08:50] <mako> dholbach: give me a second
[08:51] <dholbach> sure
[09:02] <opi> !seen smurfix
[09:02] <opi> no seen option, it seems :-)
[09:21] <ska-fan> ogra: you packaged?
[09:21] <ogra> ska-fan, divifund ? 
[09:21] <ska-fan> yes
[09:21] <ogra> yop
[09:21] <ska-fan> rm:   `/usr/share/divifund/*.py': No such file or directory
[09:21] <ska-fan> with dpkg -i divifund...deb
[09:21] <ogra> argh
[09:21] <ogra> ok
[09:21] <ska-fan> this is hoary
[09:22] <ogra> its a packaging error
[09:22] <ska-fan> ogra: ping me if you want me to test a new version :)
[09:24] <opi> ska-fan: are you a true ska fan? :-)
[09:24] <ska-fan> opi: not really, I just like No Doubt
[09:25] <ska-fan> They are not so ska any more
[09:25] <opi> ska-fan: No Doubt was a ska band ;p
[09:25] <opi> ska-fan: but that's offtopic :-)
[09:29] <ska-fan> Hmm, strange bug
[10:18] <ogra> ska-fan, package updated
[10:18] <ogra> (same name/version)
[10:23] <du3-cc> hi ppls
[10:23] <du3-cc> r u developing an own version usplash?
[10:24] <tseng> how do you mean, our own version
[10:25] <tseng> afaik ubuntu is the only group persuing something called usplash
[10:25] <du3-cc> the original one is now called splashy.. thats why i asked..
[10:26] <thom> no, the original one is the one we wrote in oxford a year ago
[10:27] <du3-cc> hmm
[10:27] <cartman> wonder usplash will work with custom kernels?
[10:28] <du3-cc> if its really userspace.. then it have to..
[10:28] <du3-cc> but why the renaming..
[10:28] <du3-cc> is there an ubuntu project for that?
[10:28] <cartman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash maybe
[10:28] <Lathiat> the only problem with working with custom kernels will be framebuffer support, as long as it has that its fine.
[10:29] <thom> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash 
[10:29] <cartman> Lathiat: ah I compile in framebuffer support
[10:29] <cartman> only problem with Ubuntu kernel is that it has no logo
[10:29] <cartman> I miss cute penguin
[10:29] <Lathiat> i hate that stupid penguin. :)
[10:30] <cartman> bah :=
[10:30] <cartman> :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> its a hack anyway
[10:31] <Lathiat> if you switch vts it goes away and then sometimes you get weird issues with that
[10:31] <cartman> I don't touch VTs unless its gone by itself :)
[10:48] <ska-fan> ogra: Works (that is installs and runs now) but it seems veeery unfinished
[10:49] <ogra> ska-fan, it computes the numbers and exports to gnumeric...thats a start :) i just want it in universe, if there is a source package and someting to demo-run, people are more likely encouraged to work on someting ;)