=== henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC100F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-082-082-191-030.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jljes [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Is there a reason why g++ still depends on the 3.3 compiler? === hunger thinks it would be nice to have that at 4.0 now that that is available. [12:39] Is there a friendly user channel, btw? [12:40] recommending #ubuntu is like a spit in the face :) [12:40] <|QuaD-> ska-fan: #ubuntu [12:40] lol! === hunger spits in ska-fan's face by suggesting #ubuntu. [12:40] ska-fan: why isn't #ubuntu friendly? [12:40] ska-fan: Actually I fleed here myself;-) [12:41] hunger: kernel? :-) [12:41] Nafallo: kernel what? [12:42] hunger: the kernel is compiled with gcc-3.3 [12:42] Nafallo: It's full of annoying persons that flood and do other evil stuff. [12:42] hmm [12:42] I haven't got a single useful answer in #ubuntu yet === Nafallo read that to fast ;-) [12:42] Nafallo: Shouldn't be... gcc is at version 4 for a while now. [12:42] ska-fan: ohh. === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] Nafallo: g++ is the only thing left at 3.3 for now. [12:43] ska-fan, with what ? [12:44] ska-fan: I actually just found the channel too noisy... [12:44] LinuxJones: ? [12:44] ska-fan, you didn't get an answer to what questions ? [12:44] LinuxJones: I don't remember the questions === ska-fan invites to #ubuntu-friendly [12:45] hunger: probably the ToolchainTransition isn't done yet :-) [12:46] hunger: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolchainRoadmap [12:46] Nafallo: Ah! The hidden wiki again;-) === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp144.bu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC100F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan considers #ubuntu-friendly a failed experiment === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~thully@pm470-07.dialip.mich.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp140.bu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] hi - well, I finished making my changes to RestrictedFormats wiki... the hoary-extras source won't be good for gstreamer until tomorrow... === giskard [~giskard@213-156-52-105.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] someone mentioned earlier looking into MP2 ripping support, since it's compatible with many MP3 devices - this sounds interesting... [01:16] hi, one of yours users sent me a mail about a nvu bug (i'm the debian maintainer) saying me (also) that yours "reportbug" on amd64 is buggy [01:16] for more info [01:16] look here : http://pastebin.com/281046 === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp144.bu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] Earlier here, we were discussing MP2 ripping support as a possible alternative to MP3.. turns out the iPod doesn't support it (which makes it not-that-useful) [01:57] mp2 is fairly dubious as an alternative anyhow [01:58] it'd be more fruitful to consider musepack (I have prelim packages), but ogg vorbis is really the better choice [01:59] I don't find a format which doesn't work on 90% of players that play digital music files as a really ideal choice... but with the patent situation it may be the best available [01:59] what is musepack, btw? [02:03] www.musepack.net [02:04] what's it's advantages over other encoders? [02:04] it's the fastest [02:05] it's either GPLed or BSDed, depending on which component, so it's DFSG-free [02:05] there's a gst plugin [02:05] AFAIK musepack has problems with patents ? [02:06] JanC: no, it used to, but all the code is free now [02:06] From the looks of it, though, it's a format less supported than ogg (as in portable devices etc) [02:06] oh definitely, thully. [02:07] the only format that's supported en masse is mpeg 1 layer 3 [02:08] the XviD code is also free, but it's still covered by patents... [02:09] yes - I was pretty much wondering if there was another format with no patent encumbrance that works with most MP3 players (other than .wav, or course) [02:09] JanC: yes, but the basis of musepack is not patent-encumbered [02:10] it's based on MPEG1/2, just like "MP3" ? [02:10] however, I don't see the real point of musepack when even ogg has far more support than it [02:10] thully: Not from my research, no. [02:10] it had roots in mpeg1/2, but the current code bears no resemblance to them === metallikop is now known as kop|gone [02:12] "resemblance of the code" is not important for patents ;) [02:12] JanC: but it's not even based on mpeg1/2 anymore. [02:12] then it's not compatible with earlier versions? [02:13] that would be stupid... [02:13] there was a break in the versions some time ago === giskard [~giskard@213-156-52-105.fastres.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["morte"] [02:13] but maybe those patents expired together with most of the MPEG 1/2 patents [02:14] I guess most people will be using lame from multiverse to rip music for a while... [02:14] not if they use the default Sound Juicer :) [02:16] well - chances are they will try to load those files to their iPod and find they don't work, so they will end up setting up LAME... [02:18] sure. Or they might be inclined to use jHymn or something as I do [02:19] yes - but that is only for iTunes store music [02:19] indeed. Unfortunately there is no holy grail === Keybuk [~scott@57.16.168.202.velocitynet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] lifeless: email jurij@wooyd.org [02:53] lifeless: with your ssh key [02:54] done === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-81.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@ip106-57.introweb.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] 73% of visitors to my site use firefox [03:34] the next 8% use mozilla [03:34] pretty rock. [03:49] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what does epiphany come up as? [03:50] |QuaD-_: mozilla probably. are you a regular visitor to my blog? [03:50] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i think i have visited it a few times [03:50] i dont see any epiphany specific group [03:50] Camino is last at .1% [03:51] <|QuaD-_> i just started using epiphany though, so i wouldn't show up as epiphany [03:51] i see [03:51] <|QuaD-_> i was just curious [03:51] 3.6% is unknown, could be there [03:52] <|QuaD-_> i am looking to see if i can change the browser tag in epiphany [03:53] <|QuaD-_> who knows [03:54] <|QuaD-_> 61.8% on my site use firefox [03:54] <|QuaD-_> 35.9% use ie [03:54] oh man [03:54] i only have 5.7% ie :P [03:54] <|QuaD-_> i don't even know who views my site [03:54] <|QuaD-_> i don't have any content on it [03:54] <|QuaD-_> ohh, probably my family, cuz i have a gallery on it [03:56] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what type of hosting service you use (like a vds, your own server...) [03:56] my own server [03:56] but im beta testing linode.com's xen service [03:56] which I will be subscribing to as soon as its out of beta [03:56] their current service is based on uml [03:56] <|QuaD-_> tseng: is it in a server farm or your house? [03:56] my server is colocated, yes [03:57] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i want a linode, i kinda thought it was a rip off though [03:57] its not a rip off at all === Ferry [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:57] they house, maintain, and power and connect you to a very nice network [03:57] <|QuaD-_> tseng: for $50 i can get a dedicated server [03:57] you cant buy your own box and colocate it for < $50 [03:57] |QuaD-_: yes, you can. [03:58] <|QuaD-_> tseng: if i colocate with 2 people, thats cheaper [03:58] will you be getting console access? [03:58] <|QuaD-_> tseng: no idea, haven't really looked into it [03:58] and dead-easy distro installs over the web [03:59] <|QuaD-_> the shared plan i have now isn't up for 2 months [03:59] the win for linode is the management as much as the box itself [03:59] sure you can buy a box from anyone [04:00] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, but you get soo little space and bandwith for the price they charge [04:00] <|QuaD-_> i was looking at the $20/month plan [04:00] ive used 2% of my 50gb this month [04:01] thats after i got family guy and a cd from bittorrent [04:01] anyway, if its not right for you, great [04:01] im just a huge fan :) [04:01] <|QuaD-_> i use about 30gb a month [04:02] <|QuaD-_> tseng: if i got like 5gb space and 100 gb bandwith for the linode 64 plan, i would probably do it [04:02] 100gb? where are you getting that much I wonder [04:02] for $20/month [04:02] i dont know anywhere you can get a psuedo dedicated system for $20 [04:03] <|QuaD-_> right now, i have shared hosting for $3.95 a month, 150 gb bandwith 5 gb space [04:03] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, thats why i don't if vds is for me [04:03] shared = ftp to a directory? [04:03] <|QuaD-_> cpanel account, i hate it, except its sooo cheap, and i am broke [04:03] well.. im rich :P [04:04] relative to my situation anyway [04:04] <|QuaD-_> haha [04:07] <|QuaD-_> tseng: you are running ubuntu on your xen linode/ [04:08] <|QuaD-_> ? [04:08] |QuaD-_: yes [04:08] right now they have a warty image, very easy to upgrade to hoary [04:08] <|QuaD-_> tseng: what mailserver? [04:08] postfix [04:08] <|QuaD-_> no experience with hula/ [04:08] <|QuaD-_> ? [04:08] i have hula on there also just for kicks [04:08] but the admin sucks majorly atm [04:08] <|QuaD-_> how does it work? [04:09] oh and my pet peeve [04:09] <|QuaD-_> really? i heard it was supposed to be soo simple [04:09] my other server has an A record [04:09] and no MX [04:09] guess what, hula wont send mail to it [04:09] <|QuaD-_> haha [04:09] i think even Qmail will fall back to the A record [04:10] <|QuaD-_> is that something they are fixing? [04:10] ive not gotten involved with upstream at all [04:10] enough to track with all the mono and gtk# stuff [04:10] <|QuaD-_> ohh [04:11] <|QuaD-_> so how much ram is the linode you are using? [04:11] i think he bumped the beta to 128 [04:11] <|QuaD-_> how do distros run in 64 mb? [04:11] my friend runs gentoo on it, spent alot of time parring things down with uclibc and all that [04:12] <|QuaD-_> i don't follwo [04:12] <|QuaD-_> *follow [04:12] debian i am thinking would be pretty alright if you tamed apache [04:12] to not spawn a zillion threads [04:12] <|QuaD-_> ohhh [04:12] postfix is very resource friendly [04:13] by design [04:13] <|QuaD-_> i am hoping wherever i live next year, will have fios, and i won't have to worry, and i can host my own server [04:13] <|QuaD-_> without any of that colocation buisness [04:13] we just got that in west chester [04:13] but i dont think theyll run it to my appt [04:14] i need the 30gb service injected directly into my vein [04:14] <|QuaD-_> i will be living in NYC next year, so i hope i get decent servie [04:14] <|QuaD-_> *service [04:17] <|QuaD-_> tseng: are the specs for xen linodes going to be the same as for uml ones? (prices and what you get) [04:18] no idea [04:18] the hosts look like quad xeons, or maybe dual with ht [04:18] <|QuaD-_> tseng: ok, how did you get hookedu p as a betatesters? [04:19] |QuaD-_: it was an invite deally [04:19] <|QuaD-_> figured that much [04:20] <|QuaD-_> i also don't know if i have the knowledge to truely secure a system [04:20] changes are neither does your current provider :/ [04:20] <|QuaD-_> tseng: probably, thats why i don't host anything critical on it [04:21] <|QuaD-_> tseng: thanks for the info, feels better to get it from someoen who has nothign to gain by telling me [04:23] rock on. [04:23] you might actually want something cheap for the time being, makes sense [04:23] <|QuaD-_> i don't recall if i told you what i pay, but there is nothing that compare to it, i just hate hte lack of control [04:24] i have a burning desire to control my own box [04:24] w/o messing with owning it and colocating anymore [04:24] <|QuaD-_> thats my biggest problem [04:24] that sucks too [04:24] esp if you dont get a remote console [04:24] <|QuaD-_> remote console is what allows you to install isos? [04:25] no, they have prebuilt disk images [04:25] you just pick one [04:25] <|QuaD-_> oh, yeah, thats nice [04:25] yeah they have a bunch of distros [04:25] <|QuaD-_> there is only one distro for me :) [04:25] :D [04:25] <|QuaD-_> tseng: now you are going to make me waste my money! [04:26] hey you can cancel later if you dont love it [04:26] and get some chinsy ftp only access to some black hole [04:26] <|QuaD-_> tseng: yeah, i am not worried about loving it [04:26] for $10/month [04:26] or whatever [04:26] <|QuaD-_> 3.95 :) [04:26] <|QuaD-_> which is why i have such a hard time leaving it [04:27] <|QuaD-_> eventually, my 1 oss project that i am working on will be hosted on it [04:28] <|QuaD-_> but i don't suspect it will get too much traffic [04:28] my blog gets ~700 unique vistors a month so far, and barely uses any bandwidth [04:29] are you on jabber and can hit me up? im starting to feel bad about hijacking the chan [04:30] <|QuaD-_> tseng: i don't use jabber.... aim? [04:30] sure === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp231-201.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] look out, he's got a vertical bar! === lamont grumbles about the size of the ubuntu bugzilla submission page [05:26] erg.... libgtkhtml20 missing [05:31] jnc: Just reimplement it from scratch [05:31] heh [05:31] i found it actually in universe [05:31] it's going to be an officially supported package, looks like... so there's some transitional fooby [05:31] it's missing on the mirror i was using [05:31] very strange === wasabi [~wasabi@c-67-172-194-239.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] jnc: What does it need to be officially supported for? [05:51] mpt: i don't know, i just spotted it in breezy with one of those official looking icons next to it under a new name, libgtkhtml2-0 [05:51] that's perhaps something very different === spacey [~spacey@ip106-61.introweb.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:54] gnucash relies on libgtkhtml [05:55] ah [05:55] and on a whole pile of other stuff I don't have installed [05:56] it's great for expense === jiyuu0 [~Ooi@203.106.172.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] Interesting that I had nothing else installed that required bonobo [05:56] jnc: different versions - most importantly, gnome 1.x vs. gnome 2.x [05:57] jnc: gnucash is thusly unsupportable [05:57] ah [05:57] there is a similar mono app [05:57] what was that called [05:57] kurush [05:58] and another one martin sevoir is working on [05:58] does it look nice? [05:59] divifund [05:59] http://www.divifund.com/ === mpt installs random crack [05:59] mmm crack [05:59] we should totally have that in ubuntu [05:59] we should, how are the depends [06:00] "The Import tab is still present but inoperable, providing a tantalizing glimpse of the future!" [06:00] a pygtk === mpt &heart; open-source marketing === jdub mails martin [06:06] this was one of Tim's lowest rated items [06:08] morning [06:08] hiya [06:10] tseng: ah, but it rated at all :) [06:11] D+ [06:11] iirc [06:11] thats generous [06:12] (small business finance is way more important that personal finance, but this would be good to have nevertheless) [06:12] small business would be more like what we talked about with crossover [06:13] at least for a few years [06:13] freelance hackers arent interested in doing an oss quicken [06:13] there's no itch [06:14] martin had an itch - thus divifund :) [06:15] its a start. === rnz [~rnz@rnz.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] is there any plan to implement initng to speed up the boot process in breezy? I can find anything in the wiki. http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/ [06:32] rnz: udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/FasterBoot [06:33] initng and friends aren't on the agenda at all right now === fabbione starts digging into cogito === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089FC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089FC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] mit welchem dpkg-reconfigure sucht man nochmal die zu installierende keymap aus? [08:01] ah.. console-data === johanbr [~j@d154-20-147-79.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-202.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] Mmm, is the fact that mplayer-g4 doesn't ship a mplayer binary a feature or a bug ? [09:53] Me guesses it is a bug. === Simira [~Simira@56.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-216.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth goes to bed [10:24] fabbione: you there ? [10:24] fabbione: i want to speak to you about mplayer on ppc. === Echylo [~echylo@86-177.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c177048.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c177048.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis [~lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ferry [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zyga_ [~zyga@87-mia-9.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snaggen [~snaggen@c-2979e255.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis_ [~lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === p0m [wodann@203-166-254-175.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-30-219.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-191-211.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] is there an ubuntu port of debmirror? [12:06] is there anything to port? [12:06] I use debmirror to maintain my local Ubuntu mirror === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-32-57.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak_ [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-32-57.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-082-082-191-137.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Hey folks === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-216.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] hi pitti [12:25] Hey ogra [12:25] pitti !! [12:25] hey seb128 [12:25] hi [12:25] pitti: quick hal question for you :) [12:26] seb128: timeout *hehe* [12:26] seb128: seriously, what's up? [12:26] pitti: a friend has an usb key with a fat partition, hal mounts /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 for it ... any idea of why it could want to mount /dev/sdb ? [12:27] that makes 2 icons on the desktop which is ugly [12:27] seb128, do you know if there is a list if dbus in/output strings for evo (i'm just starting to port evonotify to dbus and pygtk) [12:28] seb128: I bet he formatted the raw device (without a partition) once [12:28] seb128: that happened to me, too; unless you properly restore an MBR and the partition table, the hal detection still sees the original fs signatures in the reserved blocks [12:28] pitti: where is this information? I mean "fdisk -l" displays one partition [12:28] hum, k [12:29] seb128: yeah, the fs detection is still buggy [12:29] k, thanks [12:29] seb128: probably it would be a good idea to ignore the raw device as a volume if there are partitions [12:29] yeah [12:29] seb128: can you ask him to file a bug? [12:29] done :p [12:30] seb128: thanks, I'll care about that at some day :-) [12:31] np, thank you :) [12:35] pitti: Where are the pgsql rpms now? p.u.o/~pitti doesn't work [12:36] pitti, oh, you provide rpms ? [12:36] s/rpms/debs/ [12:36] heh [12:36] old habit [12:38] pitti: the guys says the key has never been formated, it shipped like this, already with one partition fat formatted [12:39] seb128: hmm, odd; maybe he can dd the first few MBs, gzip them and send them to me? [12:39] ska-fan: hmm, not? [12:39] ska-fan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/psql/ -> everything's there? [12:40] pitti: dd if=/dev/sdb of=file ? [12:40] ska-fan: however, p-common is a bit outdated, you should use the Debian experimental version [12:40] seb128: ... bs=1k count=2048 [12:40] seb128: that will give me the first 2 MB [12:40] cool, thanks [12:42] seb128: btw, I'm currently naming my photos, will upload them soon [12:43] cool === kent [~kent@c-c8c871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] morning all === azeem_ [~mbanck@ppp-82-135-12-252.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] Hey Nafallo === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089FC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga_ is now known as zyga === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-121-200.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlje [~agp@cm-80.111.96.084.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [~danten@h130n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] has anybody an idea know why /usr/bin/fakeroot-sysv doesnt work for me ? its obviously the default alternative and just gets stuck silently... /usr/bin/fakeroot-tcp works... [02:29] I would have an explanation if you ran GNU/Hurd... === Echylo [~echylo@86-177.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] azeem_, hmm, probably fabio named the kernel package wrong :) === LinuxJones [~LinuxJone@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] fakeroot always used to be fakeroot-sysv, FWIW [02:32] yeah, but i dont get why it stopped to work in breezy [02:33] Clint didn't like your new release name, perhaps [02:33] heh [02:37] seb128, ogra, doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/Sydney-2005/ [02:37] cool [02:38] yeah [02:39] pitti, put it on the list: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder [02:39] ogra: it's only our vac, not the conference [02:40] ogra: but I can put it there anyway [02:40] hmm. === ogra wont put the holiday pics there [02:40] good point [02:40] anyway, later! have to go now [02:40] pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/usb_key, the 2M file for the usb key [02:40] I'll fill a bug with it [02:41] have a good afternoon pitti :) [02:41] you too === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.134.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] seb128, ping [02:53] HiddenWolf: ? [02:56] hehe [02:57] 127_Animals ;-) [02:57] isn't that devils? === rnz [~rnz@rnz.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:59] seb128, I'm getting rather annoyed at gnome-panel, but I'm not sure how to fix it or how to report a bug about it [03:00] I've got a hoary with default settings for the window-list applet, and the tabs seem to 'jump around' a lot, whenever I open or close a window or the title in one of the tabs changes [03:01] IE, topic change in xchat, or another song starting in rhythmbox, the tabs do a little shuffle [03:01] HiddenWolf, If im not mistaken, Nafallo had a problem like that yesterday. Perhaps you can talk with him aswell about it to sort it out? [03:02] kent, happen to know when he's on, usually? [03:02] . [03:02] :-) [03:02] ah, convenient. :) [03:03] I really can't figure out what we can do about it though. === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] seems the problem is all windows in the list must have the same size. [03:05] atleast that's a start on the problem ;-) [03:05] It just results in a very eye-catching bit of jumpiness, unfortunatly [03:06] I've not noticed that [03:06] but upstream is the right place for this [03:06] seb128: could it be x86_64 specific? :-) [03:06] there is several bugs open about the windows list applet and the algos for the size/placements of the windows [03:06] no [03:06] nafallo, running x86 here, so no [03:07] oki [03:07] what do you do to get the "jumping" ? [03:08] trying right now [03:08] change songs with rhythmbox doesn't change anything else than the title [03:08] song [03:08] another son... [03:08] switch between networks in xchat is one [03:08] seb128: I take some screenshoots :-) [03:09] I'm connected to my game's clan server, and freenode, jumping from one channel to the other does it [03:10] seb128: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp/ [03:10] Rhythmbox does if if you have 2 windows open, and jump from a short songname to a long one and back [03:10] more than 2, and I guess the tab min/max sizes kick in. [03:11] Nafallo: what do you do with this usb_key? [03:11] seb128: that's because of the extra " / #ubuntu-devel (+n)" for xchat's title. [03:12] seb128: only downloaded :-) [03:12] yeah, but intend to fix it ? :) [03:13] seb128: I'll have a look atleast :-). I'll atleast learn something from every experience :-). [03:14] k, it does that too here for xchat [03:14] seb128, I get it too when jumping from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-devel [03:14] seb128: and you don't get annoyed? ;-) [03:14] with 3 windows open. [03:14] I don't use the list this way [03:14] I've a fixed min/max size [03:14] and it doesn't do that with my config [03:14] I've the same min/max size [03:15] so the entries always take the same size which is "fixed sized/number of entries" [03:15] here it's at 50/4096 [03:15] I know [03:15] that's not my config :p [03:17] but afaik, it's default [03:17] and default jumpiness is ugly. :P [03:17] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155870 [03:17] I don't care === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] feel free to send a patch anyway :) [03:18] seb128: hehe. now you sound like a developer ;-) [03:18] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125023 too [03:19] I've set it to 1000/100 in the meantime :-) [03:19] gnome bugzilla is confusing, lol [03:19] ehm 1000 [03:19] 1000/1000 [03:19] damn enter! [03:22] seb128, is there something in gnome that can force an application to start up to notification area and not show its window, or must every application have a setting for that? [03:22] app === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax9-235.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] Hm. I'll go file a few bugs then. [03:24] HiddenWolf: on what? [03:26] seb128, upstream rythmbox/gaim [03:26] I have them opening automaticly in my session, but I don't want to see them come up every time. [03:27] it's an application bug. [03:27] gossip does that right. [03:28] ugh, wtf is wrong with firefox [03:28] I can't type without bringing up the finder. [03:35] can anyone here confirm something silly in rhythmbox for me? [03:36] it won't sort by play count decending for me if I have selected an album/artist. It will do it right when i've selected all/all in browser [03:36] playcount ascending only... :S === jk__ [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [~danten@h36n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] hello [04:58] did anyone see the lates firefox exploit? [05:00] zyga: THOM IS A SLACKER [05:00] erm [05:00] yes. [05:01] tseng: screw you hippy :P it's uploaded for hoary already [05:02] all 8 exploits [05:02] kthxbye [05:02] thom: <3 ! [05:02] ;-) [05:02] tseng: err? :-) [05:03] thom: is it patched? [05:03] thom: or is it 'uploaded with those 8 exploits'? [05:03] with them fixed [05:03] really? [05:03] wow amazing :-) [05:05] hehe [05:18] bob2: nothing to port? it does not work! [05:18] Failed to download some Package, Sources, Contents or release files! [05:18] must be confused with bzip2 compression === thully [~thully@pm479-42.dialip.mich.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:21] hm, no, looks like missing gpg verification caused that [05:22] what is "MOM is awake" supposed to mean? It sounds kind of funny... [05:22] merge-o-matic [05:22] funny... [05:23] has anybody looked into making default font changes in the next release? I have a few ideas for this... === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp0012067827pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] Mostly, making fonts smaller (as Firefox's default fonts, for instance, are HUGE on my laptop) [05:24] ok so how come on my laptop I hibernate and it comes back fine [05:24] but on my desktop I hibrenate and booting actually boots? [05:25] suspend to swap, but then boot instead of resume? :( [05:25] wrong kernel command-line? [05:25] the kernel command line on my laptop doesn't have a resume= [05:25] bluefoxicy: did you upgrade your desktop from Warty? [05:25] the kernel bitches, but grabs it anyway [05:26] thully: yeah I think. [05:26] if so, read the Hoary release notes - you have to fix something for suspend-to-disk to work [05:26] for the record that should NOT matter. [05:26] where are these release notes? [05:27] first hit on google [05:27] thanks. [05:28] ah === Nafallo is now known as grep-dctrl === grep-dctrl is now known as Nafallo [05:33] "If a user clicks anywhere on a specially crafted page, this code will automatically create and execute a malicious batch/exe file." <-- In other news, Microsoft would like to help, and will be issuing patches some time in June of 2007 [05:38] oh, is there an emergency shell hack in the initrd btw? [05:38] so that I can get into my amd64 system without the . . .oh. [05:39] nevermind, there's no way to get to the sata module andload it from the initrd :/ [05:39] well. LiveCD time. [05:46] bluefoxicy: uh, just load the rescue option from grub [05:47] thom: the initrd was built on a pata hard drive [05:47] so the kernel can't find the sata [05:47] there's no module for it and it panics trying to load the root fs, inable to find /dev/sda7 === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-81.dsl.clear.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:57] woot; new bootchart doesn't use top and iostat anymore === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.34.148] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor_ [~robtaylor@82.108.32.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === motaboy [~motaboy@host153-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0979.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa_ [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@S0106000d93720bec.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:05] if [ `cat file | grep something` == "" ] ; then [07:05] i'm gettin this error === Echylo [~echylo@158-155.246.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] test.sh: line 1: [: too many arguments [07:06] any idea? [07:06] you probably want to do if [ "$(grep something file)" = "" ] [07:06] == is a bashism [07:06] cat file | grep something is better written as grep something file. === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.56.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:06] and you probably want -z instead of = "" [07:06] and you need to use "" if it expands into more than one word. === jiyuu0 tryin [07:07] thanks all :) [07:07] also, I find $(command) more readable than `command` and it's easier nestable. [07:07] but really you should just use the return code of grep === shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] is there any way to get nm to show the version of a symbol? === jdthood [~jdthood@aglu.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-012-231.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] Which package do I need to install for man 2 stat? [07:54]