| === Nafallo have troubles choosing the langue to talk in ;-) | ||
| Nafallo | and now I forgot what it was that I was about to say. | 12:09 |
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| Nafallo | does coffeinepills do this to me? | 12:10 |
| tseng | ogra: gtk-sharp is in dep-wait since i broke mono the other day | 12:19 |
| ogra | ah, darn | 12:20 |
| tseng | ogra: it had the arch-ind. bits that couldnt install the arch bits, see | 12:20 |
| tseng | they want to match | 12:20 |
| ogra | jep | 12:20 |
| tseng | do you want to review my gst-plugins-multiverse? | 12:20 |
| ogra | url ? | 12:21 |
| tseng | need to upload | 12:21 |
| Nafallo | ogra: can you reproduce the bug that when you change tab in xchat gnome's tabs change sizes? | 12:22 |
| tseng | actualy it still needs some more work maybe :/ | 12:22 |
| tseng | it works, but its not very clean looking | 12:22 |
| tseng | ill get you tommorow | 12:22 |
| ogra | ok | 12:22 |
| ogra | Nafallo, i dont use xchat-gnome here... | 12:22 |
| ogra | just the normal one | 12:22 |
| Nafallo | ogra: ehm, the one installed by ubuntu-desktop? | 12:23 |
| ogra | yep | 12:23 |
| Nafallo | that's the one I'm using... | 12:24 |
| Nafallo | X-Chat 2.4.1 | 12:24 |
| ogra | yep | 12:24 |
| ivoks | 'night | 12:24 |
| ogra | night ivoks | 12:24 |
| ivoks | or bye... whatever u preffere :) | 12:24 |
| Nafallo | ogra: so... can you reproduce? :-) | 12:24 |
| ogra | Nafallo, but my tabs are fine | 12:24 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: bye :-) | 12:24 |
| Nafallo | hmm, odd | 12:24 |
| Nafallo | hmm, I should upload screenshots ;-) | 12:25 |
| Nafallo | ogra: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp | 12:27 |
| Nafallo | the freenode one compared to the others should show what I mean :-P | 12:30 |
| ogra | hmm, i see no difference... | 12:32 |
| Nafallo | ogra: no? motu and devel compared to freenode? | 12:32 |
| Nafallo | motu and devel differs to, not tu much though... | 12:32 |
| Nafallo | s/tu/to/ | 12:33 |
| ogra | sure, they are as big as needed, but there is no difference in size between these shots... | 12:33 |
| Nafallo | ogra: on the gnome windowlist... | 12:33 |
| ogra | ahh | 12:33 |
| Nafallo | ogra: those tabs change sizes when I switch channel in xchat :-P | 12:34 |
| ogra | i thought you mean the chat window | 12:34 |
| ogra | this is caused by the different size of the channel names | 12:34 |
| ogra | its no bug | 12:34 |
| Nafallo | ogra: no? so the gnome windowlist should do that? :-P | 12:35 |
| ogra | yep | 12:35 |
| Nafallo | it's bloody irritating ;-) | 12:35 |
| ogra | look at the tooltip | 12:35 |
| Nafallo | aha | 12:35 |
| === Nafallo still get's annoyed ;-) | ||
| Nafallo | does that happen on i386? | 12:40 |
| Nafallo | anyway... time for some sleep :-) | 12:55 |
| Nafallo | see ya | 12:55 |
| ajmitch_ | morning | 01:34 |
| HostingGeek | LOL | 01:55 |
| HostingGeek | look at microsoft.com's whois | 01:56 |
| tritium | crimsun, I bought my wife an iMac G5 | 02:51 |
| crimsun | tritium: how's Tiger? | 02:52 |
| tritium | crimsun, it's still on order | 02:52 |
| crimsun | ah, ok | 02:52 |
| tritium | I'll probably get myself a dual G5 desktop when they come out with the dual-core 970MPs | 02:53 |
| crimsun | nice | 02:54 |
| tritium | :) | 02:54 |
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| thully | hi - has anyone looked into fixing netapplet from Hoary's universe? current versions have many less bugs... | 03:34 |
| crimsun | as soon as it's more clear what hoary-updates is for (and whether bug fixes can be sent there), there will be a more definitive answer | 03:34 |
| tseng | hi crimsun | 03:35 |
| crimsun | ev'ning tseng | 03:35 |
| tritium | hi tseng | 03:35 |
| tseng | thully: hey dude, are you at all interested in reading up on package-fu and contributing? | 03:35 |
| thully | It would be need if updates which required a new upstream version (as in - bug fix updates) could be uploaded to -updates... | 03:36 |
| thully | Not major upstream version updates, but 0.99 to 1.00 or 2.12 to 2.13 type updates | 03:37 |
| tseng | id rather get the fix as a diff | 03:38 |
| tseng | and only for serious bugs | 03:38 |
| tseng | frozen distros are good, believe it or not | 03:38 |
| thully | I mean mostly universe stuff - having netapplet stuck at 0.99 and crashing every time a user logs out doesn't seem like a Good Thing to me | 03:39 |
| tseng | well if you want to volunteer to solve crashers in hoary universe into hoary-updates | 03:41 |
| tseng | that would be awesome | 03:41 |
| tseng | if you are just going to come in here and keep telling us what we should be doing with our seriously limited man power, ill keep being an ass | 03:41 |
| tseng | :D | 03:41 |
| tseng | ogra: mono stuff working well on amd now? | 03:42 |
| tritium | tseng: partly my fault for asking him if he'd notified anyone here about the problem he's experiencing | 03:44 |
| tseng | tritium: not your fault, he has alot of good ideas of things to do, but seemingly the expectation that someone else will do it. | 03:45 |
| thully | sorry - I'm just still at a point where I want to be a user, and suggest changes and point out bugs, but I'm not ready to actually submit patches and maintain packages | 03:45 |
| tseng | i am working on gst-plugins btw | 03:46 |
| tseng | i came into some aac files myself and its bugging me | 03:46 |
| tritium | thully: you seem capable, in my opinion. I'll be you could sit down with the New Maintainer's Guide, and learn how to package | 03:47 |
| tseng | the NMG is pretty crackful | 03:48 |
| tseng | im planning something more bitesized | 03:48 |
| tritium | That would be outstanding, tseng | 03:48 |
| thully | there are several reasons for this - first of all, I had a severe time crunch a few months ago when I barely had enough time to report bugs, let alone contribute patches... | 03:48 |
| thully | secondly, I don't have a stable, reliable internet connection all the time | 03:49 |
| tritium | thully: we're all experiencing similar time crunches. I, for example, and preparing to defend my PhD thesis in 10 weeks. | 03:49 |
| crimsun | tseng: speaking of gst and aacs, I was investigating a method of using wavenc to dump to stdout so I could listen to my aacs remotely (ices2+icecast2), but I decided on using faad -w -f 2 (dumps to stdout) | 03:52 |
| tseng | hm | 03:53 |
| tseng | well there is a gst plugin i just packaged | 03:53 |
| crimsun | the gstreamer0.8-faad? | 03:53 |
| tseng | yes | 03:53 |
| tseng | the source will be gst-plugins-multiverse0.8 | 03:53 |
| thully | yikes - I can't imagine doing something like that and maintaining packages at the same time | 03:53 |
| tseng | with gstreamer0.8-faad and gstreamer0.8-faac so far | 03:54 |
| tseng | thully: like what? | 03:54 |
| tseng | oh phd | 03:54 |
| crimsun | ah, I'm using the one from debian-marilliat. gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse sounds intriguing. | 03:54 |
| tseng | oh from marillat? | 03:54 |
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| tseng | eh its probably crack anyway | 03:54 |
| tseng | i want to do it cleanly | 03:54 |
| crimsun | yeah, but I'm not on amd64, so I don't know if there's one available for amd64 | 03:55 |
| tritium | thully: I'm not really maintaining any right now, to be honest | 03:55 |
| tseng | gst-plugins0.8 has a simple method for building extra plugin binaries | 03:55 |
| tseng | but i want to do it properly in multiverse | 03:55 |
| thully | well - sorry about this - I just feel that I'm not ready to take on packages at this time - although I like editing wikis and sending suggestions | 04:01 |
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| crimsun | sure, any contribution is appreciated | 04:02 |
| thully | I guess I wasn't quite ready to "do-it-yourself" when it comes to packaging - I'm used to commercial-style betas where you test and report the bugs and others fix them | 04:04 |
| tseng | yeah dude universe is not the place for all that | 04:04 |
| tseng | i uploaded 12 packages this week it looks like, i get tired of it you know | 04:05 |
| tseng | only a few guys here working hard, a few machines | 04:05 |
| thully | OK - I guess I shouldn | 04:06 |
| tseng | and he-man dholbach | 04:06 |
| tritium | tseng: sorry... | 04:06 |
| tseng | tritium: for? | 04:06 |
| tritium | tseng: not being one of the few guys working hard right now. I can't really afford to for a while | 04:07 |
| tseng | thats fine | 04:07 |
| tseng | we have 4 months now to do our thing | 04:07 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, I have also been beating my head against a wall about a few issues with packaging. I would love to assist in the cleanup of this doc and maintenance, etc. | 04:07 |
| tritium | crimsun, is the semester over for you now? | 04:11 |
| crimsun | tritium: yes, finally. Graduation was this morning at 8:30 AM. | 04:11 |
| tritium | crimsun, nice :) | 04:11 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: rock on | 04:13 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, when you have something you can work with, give it over to the doc guys and we will integrate into our svn stuff. | 04:14 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: already met the doc guys | 04:14 |
| tseng | and girl | 04:14 |
| tseng | jerome and mary were at my BOF | 04:14 |
| tseng | we'll be starting on the wiki and will decided from there about docbook or whatnot | 04:15 |
| tseng | cool? | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | sounds good | 04:15 |
| Burgundavia | I just prodded about getting our portal up soon | 04:15 |
| tseng | portal eh | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | web <--> svn/docbook | 04:21 |
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| herve | hi | 10:54 |
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| ogra | tseng, blam crashes after some time (havent debugged yet), muine (with handcompiled gkt-sharp2-unstable) and tomboy work fine, beagle crashes too (i blame my package until yours is available) and f-spot doesnt compile | 11:10 |
| herve | it crashes and say *blam* ? | 11:12 |
| herve | :-) | 11:12 |
| ogra | heh | 11:12 |
| ogra | unfortunately it crashes very silent :) | 11:12 |
| ogra | me edits /usr/bin/blam | 11:13 |
| ogra | hmm, --debug doest give more info.... | 11:14 |
| ogra | doesnt even | 11:14 |
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| ogra | ah, -v | 11:15 |
| tfheen | morning, ogra. | 11:15 |
| ogra | morning | 11:16 |
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| Nafallo | morning all | 12:53 |
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| ivoks | hi | 01:05 |
| ivoks | bzflag | 01:06 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 01:07 |
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| ivoks | wrong term :) | 01:07 |
| ivoks | wesnoth is turn-based too | 01:08 |
| ivoks | man... again :) | 01:08 |
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| Nafallo | hehe | 01:13 |
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| tseng | ogra: f-spot from cvs compiles and runs nicely here. | 03:18 |
| tseng | ogra: ill try to push a release | 03:18 |
| ogra | yeah | 03:22 |
| ogra | tried to compile mondevelop today, but there is a lot breakage in the source (current package) it seems.... | 03:22 |
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| ogra | oh, and beagle 0.0.9 wants libebook-1.2.so.0, which doesnt exist.... (we have libebook-1.2.so.3) | 03:26 |
| tseng | oh it does? | 03:26 |
| ogra | yep | 03:26 |
| tseng | I probably have a symlink from the -dev package or something | 03:27 |
| tseng | libebook-1.2.so libebook-1.2.so.3 libebook-1.2.so.3.1.1 | 03:27 |
| ogra | i did that too.... one crasher less :) but t still breaks | 03:27 |
| tseng | we can remap it | 03:27 |
| ogra | it explicitly looks for libebook-1.2.so.0 | 03:28 |
| tseng | thats fine | 03:28 |
| tseng | look at /etc/mono/config | 03:28 |
| tseng | you can take whatever it tries to DllMap in the code in the first part | 03:29 |
| ogra | ah, great | 03:29 |
| tseng | and remap it to the actual file under /usr/lib in the target | 03:29 |
| tseng | we can do that per binary | 03:29 |
| tseng | so it would be BeagleDaemon.exe.config with the same format | 03:29 |
| tseng | in /usr/lib/beagle or wherever the .exe is | 03:29 |
| tseng | worth a shot | 03:29 |
| ogra | yeah, sounds good | 03:30 |
| tseng | we do that as a stop gap and get upstream to fix it at the autotools stage | 03:31 |
| tseng | it was a major problem with f-spot awhile back | 03:31 |
| tseng | which reminds me, i need to push lewing to make a release for us :) | 03:33 |
| ogra | heh | 03:38 |
| tseng | so, are you enjoying muine? | 03:39 |
| ogra | yep, absolutely... | 03:39 |
| tseng | :) | 03:39 |
| ogra | tomboy as well | 03:39 |
| ogra | only blam is nasty to me | 03:39 |
| tseng | :( | 03:39 |
| tseng | i wonder why that is | 03:40 |
| ogra | might be gtk... | 03:40 |
| tseng | or gecko | 03:40 |
| ogra | GLib-ERROR **: gmem.c:141: failed to allocate 4294934712 bytes | 03:40 |
| ogra | aborting... | 03:40 |
| ogra | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x436)! | 03:40 |
| tseng | mm glib | 03:41 |
| tseng | oh i need a gecko2 release also | 03:41 |
| ogra | but that might be caused by my selfcompiled stuff here... lets wait until lamont triggered gtk-sharp.... | 03:41 |
| tseng | I thought you triggered it yesterday? | 03:42 |
| tseng | with another upload | 03:42 |
| ogra | if there is an older version blocking in dep-wait, the new one doesnt get build until somone triggered tha old one manually... | 03:43 |
| tseng | oh thats right | 03:43 |
| ogra | so we have two versions in dep-wait now :-/ | 03:43 |
| tseng | heh | 03:43 |
| ogra | (i wss to fast) | 03:43 |
| tseng | the mono team rocks, we have good relationship with all the upstreams | 03:44 |
| tseng | and debian | 03:44 |
| ogra | great | 03:44 |
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| tseng | ogra: i found your old job! | 03:46 |
| tseng | ogra: http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005050209268.jpg | 03:46 |
| tseng | btw im really getting excited about hct | 03:48 |
| tseng | merging by hand is getting old | 03:48 |
| thom | yup yup | 03:48 |
| ogra | heh | 03:49 |
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| tseng | especially from svn.debian.org | 03:49 |
| HiddenWolf | Does anyone here use rhythmbox? | 03:51 |
| tseng | rarely | 03:51 |
| === ogra just stopped since amd64 gets mono love | ||
| HiddenWolf | sorry for asking here, but mine is behaving weirdly, and I'd like to figure out if it's a bug. | 03:51 |
| HiddenWolf | #ubuntu doesn't seem interested in helping me. | 03:51 |
| HiddenWolf | and -devel is dead. :P | 03:52 |
| ogra | its weekend | 03:52 |
| HiddenWolf | You're kiddin' me ;) | 03:52 |
| ogra | just a bit | 03:52 |
| === HiddenWolf smiles | ||
| tseng | oh yeah my -multiverse package to finish | 03:53 |
| HiddenWolf | I'm just loading bugzilla with rhythmbox bugs, for the heck of it. :P *grins* | 03:54 |
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| tseng | ogra: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/gst-plugins/ | 04:19 |
| tseng | there is a little bit left from gst-plugins0.8 | 04:21 |
| tseng | that doesnt affect the final result in our case, i left it in rules for now | 04:21 |
| tseng | that should let you use aac in rhythmbox, muine needs more work | 04:22 |
| tseng | because it doesnt use gst for reading the tags (yet) | 04:22 |
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| ogra | i'll look at it | 04:24 |
| ivoks | hi | 04:24 |
| tseng | oh jeez i forgot lame | 04:25 |
| tseng | we can add that here | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | what's the page to request things for universe? | 04:27 |
| tseng | UniverseCandidates | 04:27 |
| Amaranth | thanks | 04:27 |
| === Amaranth spent an hour trying to get sonance figured out last night | ||
| Amaranth | figure i'll see if someone else knows how and can do it for me :) | 04:28 |
| tseng | is that mono iirc? | 04:28 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 04:28 |
| tseng | autotools? | 04:29 |
| Amaranth | oh, UniverseCandidates is for things that were already packaged | 04:29 |
| === Amaranth can't remember what was failing now | ||
| Amaranth | i know i got an autoconf error about PKG_INFO | 04:29 |
| Amaranth | and iirc gst-sharp in CVS was hosed | 04:30 |
| tseng | oh thats right | 04:30 |
| tseng | I'm going to have to defer you on that then | 04:30 |
| === Amaranth will patiently use muine | ||
| tseng | I have no interest in distributing gst-sharp from CVS at present | 04:31 |
| tseng | do ping me if they make a sane release | 04:31 |
| Amaranth | well, wouldn't that be like gtk-sharp-unstable? | 04:31 |
| tseng | not at all | 04:31 |
| tseng | gtk-sharp-unstable at least has releases | 04:31 |
| tseng | and people can target compat with each release | 04:32 |
| tseng | which are a few weeks/months apart | 04:32 |
| tseng | vs hoping your cvs checkout for the day works | 04:32 |
| tseng | we could probably fetch a working combo for this one app | 04:32 |
| tseng | its just dirty, i want a tarball with a version string | 04:33 |
| Amaranth | hmm | 04:33 |
| Amaranth | i thought muine used gstreamer | 04:33 |
| tseng | it does | 04:33 |
| tseng | it has its own bindings | 04:33 |
| Amaranth | ... | 04:34 |
| tseng | via libmuine | 04:34 |
| tseng | muine has been around alot longer than gst-sharp | 04:34 |
| Amaranth | really weird thing about gst-sharp was i pulled from the same day someone claims to have built sonance on hoary and got the same errors | 04:35 |
| tseng | how is that weird? | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | well, it worked for them | 04:36 |
| tseng | oh, thats not what you said | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that sentence sucked | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | macewan claims to have gotten gst-sharp and sonance to work on hoary so i pulled from the day he posted the blog entry and got the same errors as pulling from today | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | o_O I don't think gst-sharp is going to get released any time soon. It appears to be a dead project | 04:46 |
| tseng | eh. | 04:47 |
| Amaranth | or, you know, i'm use cvs and they've moved everything to svn | 04:51 |
| tseng | good one | 04:52 |
| tseng | hm so tamara is working on it | 04:52 |
| tseng | i wonder where her muine branch is | 04:52 |
| tseng | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto | 04:54 |
| tseng | oh jeez | 04:54 |
| tseng | this is horrible | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | kill it with the flaming sword of pissed off ;) | 04:55 |
| tseng | i should | 04:55 |
| tseng | they are still telling you to use external repos for stuff thats in hoary since months | 04:56 |
| tseng | and it was edited 30 minutes ago | 04:56 |
| Amaranth | what's the name of the package for GTK# 1.99.x? | 04:58 |
| Amaranth | nevermind | 04:59 |
| tseng | lib*2.0-cil | 04:59 |
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| Amaranth | appearently pkg-config says i don't have gtk# | 05:02 |
| herve | see you later | 05:03 |
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| tseng | do any of you motu guys jabber? | 05:42 |
| tseng | oh man sonance has some awful stuff | 05:44 |
| tseng | http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sqlbuilder.png | 05:44 |
| tseng | DBA ME HARDER | 05:45 |
| thom | tseng: holy hells | 05:46 |
| thom | (i'm thom@clearairturbulence.org on jabber) | 05:46 |
| tseng | rock on. | 05:47 |
| Amaranth | tseng: I think it stores the library data in an sqlite db | 05:47 |
| thom | not sure i count as motu, but :-) | 05:47 |
| tseng | Amaranth: thats cool, it just is soo heavy compared to muine or even rb | 05:48 |
| Amaranth | well, you don't have to use that :P | 05:48 |
| tseng | but it looks better than a previous screenshot | 05:48 |
| tseng | http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sonance-0.4-teaser.png | 05:48 |
| tseng | less buttons than the 0.2 shots | 05:48 |
| tseng | but why do I need a) 2 progress showing widgets on the Status window | 05:49 |
| tseng | and a Hide button for one of them | 05:49 |
| Amaranth | ? | 05:49 |
| Amaranth | oh, the throbber | 05:49 |
| tseng | ok there is a spinner | 05:49 |
| tseng | and a progress bar | 05:49 |
| Amaranth | whatever you guys call it | 05:49 |
| Amaranth | hmm, that is odd | 05:49 |
| tseng | both showing the same thing, essentially | 05:49 |
| tseng | "im working" | 05:49 |
| tseng | you can hide one | 05:50 |
| tseng | eh. | 05:50 |
| Amaranth | no, i think the hide button is to hide the status window | 05:50 |
| tseng | oh, i dont like that either | 05:50 |
| Amaranth | why? | 05:50 |
| tseng | i dont see a way to get it back | 05:50 |
| Amaranth | it lets you start working with music while it's working | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | you don't know what happens when you hit hide | 05:51 |
| tseng | anyway if it keeps getting less buttons instead of more, it might be pretty cool | 05:51 |
| thom | i guess sonance is an equivalent to rb? | 05:52 |
| tseng | it looks like he is trying to get even closer to itunes or something | 05:52 |
| tseng | but similar to rb | 05:52 |
| Amaranth | this is creeping me out | 05:52 |
| Amaranth | i started muine and rhythmbox and muine started playing the same song, one 2 seconds behind the other | 05:53 |
| tseng | heh | 05:53 |
| tseng | btw if you manage to get this thing building, i can help you with packaging | 05:53 |
| Amaranth | gst-sharp refuses to like me | 05:53 |
| tseng | for the wiki or something | 05:54 |
| Amaranth | wtf, muine doesn't have a menu entry or a notification icon anymore :/ | 05:54 |
| tseng | it has a menu entry | 05:54 |
| tseng | the notification icon was moved to a plugin | 05:54 |
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| Amaranth | ack | 05:54 |
| Amaranth | and that plugin doesn't exist yet? | 05:55 |
| tseng | sure it does | 05:55 |
| tseng | http://muine.gooeylinux.org/plugins.shtml | 05:55 |
| tseng | its in the source also | 05:55 |
| tseng | under plugins/ | 05:55 |
| Amaranth | i meant in ubuntu | 05:55 |
| tseng | im thinking about installing it by default | 05:55 |
| ivoks | it has | 05:55 |
| tseng | it has what? | 05:56 |
| ivoks | menu entry | 05:56 |
| tseng | i know :) | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i got it after i killed gnome-panel | 05:56 |
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| ivoks | Amaranth ;) | 05:56 |
| Amaranth | now to get my notification icon back so muine isn't totally worthless :/ | 05:56 |
| ivoks | well, muine isn't much of a player | 05:56 |
| ivoks | quodlibet is best out there | 05:57 |
| tseng | QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy | 05:57 |
| tseng | QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy: Main Page. | 05:57 |
| tseng | sweet | 05:57 |
| ivoks | :) | 05:57 |
| ivoks | sacredchao.net/quodlibet | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | ooh, it's written in python | 05:58 |
| tseng | found it | 05:58 |
| ivoks | there is a package in breezy i think | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | and it does tag editting! | 05:58 |
| ivoks | and much more | 05:58 |
| ivoks | it renames filenames by tags | 05:58 |
| ivoks | or tags by filenames | 05:58 |
| tseng | yeah this is too UI'd for me also | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | UI needs serious work though | 05:58 |
| ivoks | it can do mass tag change | 05:58 |
| tseng | on the subject of bad uis, nothing beats easytag | 05:59 |
| ivoks | man... reboot :( | 06:00 |
| Amaranth | tseng: Got something better? | 06:02 |
| tseng | easytag? | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | better than easytag i meant | 06:02 |
| tseng | i love it. | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | i thought you were saying it sucked | 06:02 |
| tseng | it does :D | 06:02 |
| Amaranth | heh | 06:03 |
| tseng | the ui makes me bleed myself | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | btw, what's the configure option to enable the plugins? | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | for muine | 06:03 |
| tseng | you put them in ~/.gnome2/muine/plugins | 06:03 |
| tseng | and restart | 06:03 |
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| Amaranth | ok | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | so run make then copy them there? | 06:03 |
| tseng | yes | 06:03 |
| Amaranth | cool | 06:03 |
| tseng | jeez its noon, i need a shower | 06:04 |
| tseng | and lunch | 06:04 |
| Amaranth | Damn, the mcs command for muine is 2 screens long | 06:04 |
| tseng | weekends :) | 06:04 |
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| thom | does mono/.NET have an imap4 implementation? offlineimap just blew up for the last time | 06:10 |
| tseng | hm dunno | 06:20 |
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| tseng | been using imap4r1 in evo, i think with offline | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | i use that | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | evo has a few issues i just deal with | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | like vfolders | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | i mark things read in vfolders and the new messsage count isnt updated | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | and sometimes it is, but then when i hit send/recv | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | they all go back to unread counts | 06:21 |
| Lathiat | even tho the messages are actaully marked read | 06:21 |
| tseng | oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts | 06:22 |
| tseng | jeez | 06:22 |
| tseng | 25 seconds to X | 06:22 |
| ivoks | nice :) | 06:23 |
| ivoks | did someone try that initng? | 06:23 |
| tseng | thats what I just said I believe | 06:23 |
| ivoks | sorry, wasn't here :) | 06:24 |
| tseng | < tseng> oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts | 06:24 |
| ivoks | i asked did someone try it? | 06:25 |
| ivoks | not has anyone visited homepage :) | 06:25 |
| tseng | buh ill spell it out | 06:26 |
| tseng | someone posted to ubuntu-devel with a bootchart comparing init to initng | 06:26 |
| tseng | he obviously tried it | 06:26 |
| ivoks | ah... | 06:26 |
| ivoks | i don't follow ubunut-devel | 06:26 |
| ivoks | and boot chart u have on project homepage | 06:26 |
| ivoks | http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/ | 06:27 |
| tseng | http://illadvised.com/~jason/bootchart-hoary-default.png | 06:27 |
| tseng | http://illadvised.com/~jason/bootchart-hoary-initng.png | 06:27 |
| ivoks | nice | 06:28 |
| ivoks | ok, time for a deb :) | 06:28 |
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| ogra | i have no hoary system around that boots this slow | 06:30 |
| Lathiat | 24 seconds? interesting. | 06:32 |
| Lathiat | is initng hard to get going properly? | 06:32 |
| tseng | it needs rewritten scripts | 06:33 |
| Lathiat | ah | 06:34 |
| Lathiat | so you rewrote all the init scripts for your boot process/ | 06:34 |
| tseng | thom: is there a someone sane networkmanager i could be testing? | 06:35 |
| zul | heh solaris http://www.livejournal.com/users/tytso/25923.html | 06:37 |
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| thom | tseng: not yet | 06:40 |
| tseng | k. | 06:40 |
| thom | tseng: daniels gets back to work on monday, so new utopia stack should be in soon, then i'll land NM 0.4 on breezy | 06:41 |
| tseng | thom: my hero | 06:41 |
| thom | (note the bootchart for initng is missing a tonne of stuff) | 06:41 |
| thom | (at a quick glance, anyway) | 06:43 |
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| bur[n] er | is there a !seen bot? | 07:12 |
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| tseng | no. | 07:28 |
| tseng | i have /lastlog | 07:28 |
| Nafallo | ./whowas? :-) | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | lastlog is king | 07:49 |
| Lathiat | i wish irssi had a feature to jump up to the last time a word was highlighted | 07:49 |
| Lathiat | so you can read context et al | 07:49 |
| thom | that would be pretty rad | 07:49 |
| thom | hrm, versioned symbols are way easier than i thought | 07:50 |
| Lathiat | atm i have to page up page up page up.. :) | 07:50 |
| tseng | oh totally | 07:50 |
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| tseng | someone do that :) | 07:50 |
| Lathiat | reall sucks if your ssh session is lagged. | 07:50 |
| thom | (now if only the apr-util test suite didn't take three months to run, life would be good) | 07:50 |
| tfheen | thom: get a faster computer? | 07:51 |
| tritium | good afternoon | 07:52 |
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| thom | tfheen: this is an amd64 3000+ | 07:53 |
| thom | not exactly slow ;-) | 07:53 |
| === Lathiat pets his pentium-m 2.0ghz | ||
| Lathiat | guess its fairly top of the pentium-m line, i think my hard disk is what kills my performance | 07:53 |
| Lathiat | 5400rpm is the suck | 07:53 |
| tfheen | thom: are you running breezy on that box? | 07:57 |
| Nafallo | Lathiat: is there faster rpm for laptops? :-) | 07:58 |
| tfheen | Nafallo: you can get 7200 drives. | 07:58 |
| thom | tfheen: yes | 07:59 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: yay! that would probably make this one burn, it's hot enough already :-P. | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | i'd love an 80gb 7200rpm drive | 07:59 |
| tfheen | thom: do you have troubly with lsb-core being on utter crack and trying to overwrite /lib64? | 07:59 |
| Lathiat | and another 512 of ram | 07:59 |
| thom | tfheen: not that i've noticed | 08:00 |
| tfheen | hm, | 08:00 |
| ivoks | i have pm1.4 :( | 08:00 |
| thom | tfheen: but that'd be because i don't have it installed... | 08:00 |
| thom | (sorry, just checked) | 08:00 |
| tfheen | thom: can you try to install it and see whether it blows up? | 08:01 |
| thom | just installed fine | 08:02 |
| tfheen | hmm | 08:03 |
| tfheen | I guess asking you to purge base-files, then install lsb-core, then reinstall base-files is a bad idea. ;P | 08:04 |
| thom | i'll pass, thanks | 08:05 |
| thom | :P | 08:05 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: I'll set up a chroot ;-) | 08:05 |
| tfheen | Nafallo: if you could set up a hoary chroot, install lsb there and then check if it blows up on upgrading to breezy, that'd be nice. | 08:06 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: oki :-) | 08:06 |
| doko_ | tfheen, Nafallo: I don't know, if I like my 7200 hard drive ... it's not that quiet. | 08:06 |
| tfheen | doko_: obviously not; faster drive => more noise. | 08:06 |
| Nafallo | doko: hehe, and the heat? ;-) | 08:06 |
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| Lathiat | yeh more heat | 08:07 |
| doko | very cool | 08:07 |
| tfheen | which is why Simira now has a 2.5" drive in her box. | 08:07 |
| Nafallo | tfheen: sweet :-) | 08:07 |
| Lathiat | but my hard drive spot on my laptop (under my left parm) doesnt get very warm even when being used alot | 08:07 |
| Lathiat | so i dont think a 7.2krpm will burn my hand | 08:07 |
| Nafallo | well, I should get a new laptop instead of upgrade this one anyway ;-) | 08:08 |
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| dholbach | hai | 08:20 |
| ivoks | hi | 08:21 |
| dholbach | Unfrgiven: hai! | 08:21 |
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| bur[n] er | ivoks: wifi-radar wasn't working for me | 08:56 |
| ivoks | ? | 08:56 |
| ivoks | bur[n] er what is your wifi device? | 08:56 |
| bur[n] er | using a centrino (Compaq X1000, so I assume it should work... that's what the developer uses) | 08:56 |
| bur[n] er | ipw2100 driver | 08:57 |
| ivoks | bur[n] er eth2? | 08:57 |
| bur[n] er | possibly | 08:57 |
| bur[n] er | er... no | 08:57 |
| bur[n] er | eth1 | 08:57 |
| ivoks | then edit /etc/wifi-radar.conf | 08:57 |
| bur[n] er | eth0 = lan eth1 = wireless | 08:57 |
| bur[n] er | aww | 08:57 |
| bur[n] er | i'll be back ;) | 08:57 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:57 |
| ivoks | drcode in many ways :) | 08:59 |
| bur[n] er | ok... so I still have some issues | 09:01 |
| bur[n] er | it has to be run as root? | 09:01 |
| ivoks | nope | 09:01 |
| bur[n] er | i get /etc/wifi-radar.conf write issues on trying to close | 09:01 |
| ivoks | sudo vim /etc/wifi-radar.conf | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | Traceback (most recent call last): | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 576, in delete_event | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | self.save_auto_profile_order() | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 822, in save_auto_profile_order | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | confFile.write( open( CONF_FILE, 'w' ) ) | 09:02 |
| ivoks | you can't edit file in etc as user | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/wifi-radar.conf' | 09:02 |
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| bur[n] er | i know | 09:02 |
| bur[n] er | so maybe it's a wifi-radar issue and not a package issue | 09:02 |
| ivoks | that's fs issue | 09:03 |
| ivoks | not related to wifi-radar | 09:03 |
| bur[n] er | well... it should prolly save it to ~/.config/wifi-radar or something | 09:03 |
| ivoks | ? | 09:03 |
| ivoks | wifi-radar has to be run as root | 09:03 |
| bur[n] er | instead of using a system-wide config file... so users can run the app | 09:03 |
| ivoks | ?! | 09:04 |
| ivoks | users? | 09:04 |
| bur[n] er | yeah | 09:04 |
| ivoks | that app brings interface | 09:04 |
| ivoks | how could user use it? | 09:04 |
| ivoks | it uses dhclient and ifconfig | 09:04 |
| ivoks | users don't have permissons to use that | 09:04 |
| bur[n] er | oh right | 09:04 |
| ivoks | it's like /etc/network/interfaces | 09:04 |
| ivoks | only root sets them | 09:04 |
| bur[n] er | ivoks: shouldn't it also have a systray icon? | 09:05 |
| ivoks | i don't think so | 09:05 |
| ivoks | there is allready applet | 09:05 |
| bur[n] er | i always thought it did... maybe i'm mistaken | 09:05 |
| ivoks | no... | 09:05 |
| ivoks | wifi radar doesn't run in background | 09:06 |
| ivoks | it sets up connection and quits | 09:06 |
| bur[n] er | true | 09:06 |
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| bur[n] er | i swear i saw the wifi-radar icon in the systray kinda like an apple | 09:06 |
| ivoks | for traffic monitor u have network monitor applet | 09:06 |
| ivoks | bur[n] er that's gnome's applet, not wifi-radar | 09:07 |
| ivoks | apt-get install gnome-netstatus-applet | 09:08 |
| bur[n] er | i have it | 09:08 |
| bur[n] er | i use it | 09:08 |
| bur[n] er | thought there was a more apple like applet for it | 09:08 |
| Amaranth | eek, tomboy doesn't have tintin anymore | 09:08 |
| ivoks | bur[n] er and... works? | 09:09 |
| bur[n] er | it works | 09:10 |
| bur[n] er | works well | 09:10 |
| bur[n] er | thanks! | 09:10 |
| ivoks | np | 09:10 |
| ivoks | hope it will get in breezy :) | 09:10 |
| ivoks | djm62 whatch out.. he will paste now :) | 09:11 |
| ivoks | damn... missed terminal :) | 09:11 |
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| tseng | Amaranth: dude tintin blows (and is illegal) | 09:42 |
| Amaranth | tseng: The new icon is worse. I couldn't even tell what it was. Until I clicked on it I thought I'd lost tomboy. | 09:43 |
| tseng | how can it possibly be worse than tintin | 09:43 |
| tseng | tintin was heinous | 09:44 |
| Amaranth | it was a known icon and didn't look like someone shrank a desktop screenshot down to icon size | 09:45 |
| tseng | send me a diff with the properly sized icon added also | 09:46 |
| tseng | or its at the bottom of the list | 09:46 |
| tseng | at least we're legal | 09:46 |
| tseng | and can get the package in debian | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | heh, the icon makes much more sense when it's full size | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | at least now i know what it is | 09:47 |
| tseng | yes | 09:47 |
| tseng | jimmac made all sizes, i think we are only using 48 | 09:48 |
| tseng | http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=tomboy | 09:48 |
| tseng | if someone knows how to use the other sizes.. id be happy for a patch | 09:49 |
| tseng | ogra: did that .exe.config help your beagld problems at all? | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | tseng: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/tomboy.png | 09:51 |
| tseng | oh its that easy? | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | not sure how it works in .NET but in PyGTK once you have that you can exploit the theme handling code | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | you tell it you want 24 and it uses that icon | 09:52 |
| tseng | ok ill put the icon there | 09:52 |
| tseng | and see | 09:52 |
| tseng | nope | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | hmm | 09:53 |
| tseng | static PreferencesDialog () | 09:54 |
| tseng | { | 09:54 |
| tseng | - tintin = new Gdk.Pixbuf (null, "tintin.png"); | 09:54 |
| tseng | + tomboy = new Gdk.Pixbuf (null, "tomboy.png"); | 09:54 |
| tseng | the tray looks a bit different | 09:55 |
| tseng | + tomboy = GuiUtils.GetMiniIcon ("tomboy.png"); | 09:55 |
| tseng | + tomboy_large = GuiUtils.GetIcon ("tomboy.png"); | 09:55 |
| tseng | applet only has one ref to the icon | 09:55 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i don't know how the code under that works | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | theme = gtk.icon_theme_get_for_screen(window.get_screen()); theme.load_icon('tomboy', 24, ()) | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | that's how i'd do it in pygtk | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | well, pb = theme.load_icon | 09:57 |
| tseng | yeah I dont know how to do it any better | 09:59 |
| tseng | it only references one image | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | heh, i can't get my code to show the 48x48 image | 10:02 |
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| Amaranth | oh, i put the 48x48 one in the wrong place | 10:03 |
| tseng | tomboy.png is in /usr/share/pixmaps and not the icon theme btw | 10:04 |
| tseng | if i move it will it be smart enough to find it again? | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | ah, that's the problem then | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | well, i don't know how Gdk.Pixbuf works | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | does it work with the theme spec? | 10:04 |
| tseng | beats me | 10:04 |
| tseng | maybe andy can tell me | 10:04 |
| tseng | he's not on | 10:05 |
| Amaranth | http://rafb.net/paste/results/CQdcsr97.html and http://www.realistanew.com/tomboy.png | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | now we just have to figure out how to translate that to gtk# :) | 10:07 |
| tseng | ah rock on | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | that's /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/tomboy.png and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/tomboy.png | 10:08 |
| tseng | I'll try lewing | 10:08 |
| tseng | im sure he knows a thing or two about loading images in gtk# :) | 10:09 |
| Amaranth | Gtk.IconTheme has not been implemented. | 10:10 |
| Amaranth | d'oh | 10:10 |
| tseng | there has to be something | 10:11 |
| Amaranth | p/invoke? :) | 10:11 |
| tseng | :'( | 10:11 |
| Amaranth | Gtk.IconTheme is the 'right' way to do it, too | 10:12 |
| Amaranth | I wonder if it's implemented in 1.9.x | 10:12 |
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| Amaranth | Assembly: gtk-sharp 2.0.0.0 (in gtk-sharp.dll) <--does that mean no? | 10:13 |
| Amaranth | tseng: You could always just do /usr/share/pixmaps/tomboy.png and /usr/share/pixmaps/tomboy-24.png for now | 10:17 |
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| tseng | my hint is | 10:18 |
| tseng | < alp> tseng: Settings.Default.IconSize. | 10:18 |
| tseng | so im guessing we get the value of that | 10:18 |
| tseng | < tberman> its Gnome.IconTheme.Lookup in gtk+ 2.4 and gtk# 1.9.3.x/1.0 | 10:20 |
| tseng | < tberman> yeah | 10:20 |
| tseng | < tseng> so that will give me a string to the right image? | 10:20 |
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| tseng | rock on | 10:20 |
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| Amaranth | tseng: awesome! | 10:48 |
| Amaranth | I guess it got moved into gtk in 2.6 | 10:48 |
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