[12:09] <Nafallo> and now I forgot what it was that I was about to say.
[12:10] <Nafallo> does coffeinepills do this to me?
[12:19] <tseng> ogra: gtk-sharp is in dep-wait since i broke mono the other day
[12:20] <ogra> ah, darn
[12:20] <tseng> ogra: it had the arch-ind. bits that couldnt install the arch bits, see
[12:20] <tseng> they want to match
[12:20] <ogra> jep
[12:20] <tseng> do you want to review my gst-plugins-multiverse?
[12:21] <ogra> url ?
[12:21] <tseng> need to upload
[12:22] <Nafallo> ogra: can you reproduce the bug that when you change tab in xchat gnome's tabs change sizes?
[12:22] <tseng> actualy it still needs some more work maybe :/
[12:22] <tseng> it works, but its not very clean looking
[12:22] <tseng> ill get you tommorow
[12:22] <ogra> ok
[12:22] <ogra> Nafallo, i dont use xchat-gnome here...
[12:22] <ogra> just the normal one
[12:23] <Nafallo> ogra: ehm, the one installed by ubuntu-desktop?
[12:23] <ogra> yep
[12:24] <Nafallo> that's the one I'm using...
[12:24] <Nafallo> X-Chat 2.4.1
[12:24] <ogra> yep
[12:24] <ivoks> 'night
[12:24] <ogra> night ivoks
[12:24] <ivoks> or bye... whatever u preffere :)
[12:24] <Nafallo> ogra: so... can you reproduce? :-)
[12:24] <ogra> Nafallo, but my tabs are fine
[12:24] <Nafallo> ivoks: bye :-)
[12:24] <Nafallo> hmm, odd
[12:25] <Nafallo> hmm, I should upload screenshots ;-)
[12:27] <Nafallo> ogra: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp
[12:30] <Nafallo> the freenode one compared to the others should show what I mean :-P
[12:32] <ogra> hmm, i see no difference...
[12:32] <Nafallo> ogra: no? motu and devel compared to freenode?
[12:32] <Nafallo> motu and devel differs to, not tu much though...
[12:33] <Nafallo> s/tu/to/
[12:33] <ogra> sure, they are as big as needed, but there is no difference in size between these shots...
[12:33] <Nafallo> ogra: on the gnome windowlist...
[12:33] <ogra> ahh
[12:34] <Nafallo> ogra: those tabs change sizes when I switch channel in xchat :-P
[12:34] <ogra> i thought you mean the chat window
[12:34] <ogra> this is caused by the different size of the channel names
[12:34] <ogra> its no bug
[12:35] <Nafallo> ogra: no? so the gnome windowlist should do that? :-P
[12:35] <ogra> yep
[12:35] <Nafallo> it's bloody irritating ;-)
[12:35] <ogra> look at the tooltip
[12:35] <Nafallo> aha
[12:40] <Nafallo> does that happen on i386?
[12:55] <Nafallo> anyway... time for some sleep :-)
[12:55] <Nafallo> see ya
[01:34] <ajmitch_> morning
[01:55] <HostingGeek> LOL
[01:56] <HostingGeek> look at microsoft.com's whois
[02:51] <tritium> crimsun, I bought my wife an iMac G5
[02:52] <crimsun> tritium: how's Tiger?
[02:52] <tritium> crimsun, it's still on order
[02:52] <crimsun> ah, ok
[02:53] <tritium> I'll probably get myself a dual G5 desktop when they come out with the dual-core 970MPs
[02:54] <crimsun> nice
[02:54] <tritium> :)
[03:34] <thully> hi - has anyone looked into fixing netapplet from Hoary's universe?  current versions have many less bugs...
[03:34] <crimsun> as soon as it's more clear what hoary-updates is for (and whether bug fixes can be sent there), there will be a more definitive answer
[03:35] <tseng> hi crimsun
[03:35] <crimsun> ev'ning tseng
[03:35] <tritium> hi tseng
[03:35] <tseng> thully: hey dude, are you at all interested in reading up on package-fu and contributing?
[03:36] <thully> It would be need if updates which required a new upstream version (as in - bug fix updates) could be uploaded to -updates...
[03:37] <thully> Not major upstream version updates, but 0.99 to 1.00 or 2.12 to 2.13 type updates
[03:38] <tseng> id rather get the fix as a diff
[03:38] <tseng> and only for serious bugs
[03:38] <tseng> frozen distros are good, believe it or not
[03:39] <thully> I mean mostly universe stuff - having netapplet stuck at 0.99 and crashing every time a user logs out doesn't seem like a Good Thing to me
[03:41] <tseng> well if you want to volunteer to solve crashers in hoary universe into hoary-updates
[03:41] <tseng> that would be awesome
[03:41] <tseng> if you are just going to come in here and keep telling us what we should be doing with our seriously limited man power, ill keep being an ass
[03:41] <tseng> :D
[03:42] <tseng> ogra: mono stuff working well on amd now?
[03:44] <tritium> tseng: partly my fault for asking him if he'd notified anyone here about the problem he's experiencing
[03:45] <tseng> tritium: not your fault, he has alot of good ideas of things to do, but seemingly the expectation that someone else will do it.
[03:45] <thully> sorry - I'm just still at a point where I want to be a user, and suggest changes and point out bugs, but I'm not ready to actually submit patches and maintain packages
[03:46] <tseng> i am working on gst-plugins btw
[03:46] <tseng> i came into some aac files myself and its bugging me
[03:47] <tritium> thully: you seem capable, in my opinion.  I'll be you could sit down with the New Maintainer's Guide, and learn how to package
[03:48] <tseng> the NMG is pretty crackful
[03:48] <tseng> im planning something more bitesized
[03:48] <tritium> That would be outstanding, tseng
[03:48] <thully> there are several reasons for this - first of all, I had a severe time crunch a few months ago when I barely had enough time to report bugs, let alone contribute patches...
[03:49] <thully> secondly, I don't have a stable, reliable internet connection all the time
[03:49] <tritium> thully: we're all experiencing similar time crunches.  I, for example, and preparing to defend my PhD thesis in 10 weeks.
[03:52] <crimsun> tseng: speaking of gst and aacs, I was investigating a method of using wavenc to dump to stdout so I could listen to my aacs remotely (ices2+icecast2), but I decided on using faad -w -f 2 (dumps to stdout)
[03:53] <tseng> hm
[03:53] <tseng> well there is a gst plugin i just packaged
[03:53] <crimsun> the gstreamer0.8-faad?
[03:53] <tseng> yes
[03:53] <tseng> the source will be gst-plugins-multiverse0.8
[03:53] <thully> yikes - I can't imagine doing something like that and maintaining packages at the same time
[03:54] <tseng> with gstreamer0.8-faad and gstreamer0.8-faac so far
[03:54] <tseng> thully: like what?
[03:54] <tseng> oh phd
[03:54] <crimsun> ah, I'm using the one from debian-marilliat. gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse sounds intriguing.
[03:54] <tseng> oh from marillat?
[03:54] <tseng> eh its probably crack anyway
[03:54] <tseng> i want to do it cleanly
[03:55] <crimsun> yeah, but I'm not on amd64, so I don't know if there's one available for amd64
[03:55] <tritium> thully: I'm not really maintaining any right now, to be honest
[03:55] <tseng> gst-plugins0.8 has a simple method for building extra plugin binaries
[03:55] <tseng> but i want to do it properly in multiverse
[04:01] <thully> well - sorry about this - I just feel that I'm not ready to take on packages at this time - although I like editing wikis and sending suggestions
[04:02] <crimsun> sure, any contribution is appreciated
[04:04] <thully> I guess I wasn't quite ready to "do-it-yourself" when it comes to packaging - I'm used to commercial-style betas where you test and report the bugs and others fix them
[04:04] <tseng> yeah dude universe is not the place for all that
[04:05] <tseng> i uploaded 12 packages this week it looks like, i get tired of it you know
[04:05] <tseng> only a few guys here working hard, a few machines
[04:06] <thully> OK - I guess I shouldn
[04:06] <tseng> and he-man dholbach
[04:06] <tritium> tseng: sorry...
[04:06] <tseng> tritium: for?
[04:07] <tritium> tseng: not being one of the few guys working hard right now.  I can't really afford to for a while
[04:07] <tseng> thats fine
[04:07] <tseng> we have 4 months now to do our thing
[04:07] <Burgundavia> tseng, I have also been beating my head against a wall about a few issues with packaging. I would love to assist in the cleanup of this doc and maintenance, etc.
[04:11] <tritium> crimsun, is the semester over for you now?
[04:11] <crimsun> tritium: yes, finally. Graduation was this morning at 8:30 AM.
[04:11] <tritium> crimsun, nice :)
[04:13] <tseng> Burgundavia: rock on
[04:14] <Burgundavia> tseng, when you have something you can work with, give it over to the doc guys and we will integrate into our svn stuff.
[04:14] <tseng> Burgundavia: already met the doc guys
[04:14] <tseng> and girl
[04:14] <tseng> jerome and mary were at my BOF
[04:15] <tseng> we'll be starting on the wiki and will decided from there about docbook or whatnot
[04:15] <tseng> cool?
[04:15] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[04:15] <Burgundavia> I just prodded about getting our portal up soon
[04:21] <tseng> portal eh
[04:21] <Burgundavia> web <--> svn/docbook
[10:54] <herve> hi
[11:10] <ogra> tseng, blam crashes after some time (havent debugged yet), muine (with handcompiled gkt-sharp2-unstable) and tomboy work fine, beagle crashes too (i blame my package until yours is available) and f-spot doesnt compile
[11:12] <herve> it crashes and say *blam* ?
[11:12] <herve> :-)
[11:12] <ogra> heh
[11:12] <ogra> unfortunately it crashes very silent :)
[11:13] <ogra> me edits /usr/bin/blam
[11:14] <ogra> hmm, --debug doest give more info....
[11:14] <ogra> doesnt even
[11:15] <ogra> ah, -v
[11:15] <tfheen> morning, ogra.
[11:16] <ogra> morning
[12:53] <Nafallo> morning all
[01:05] <ivoks> hi
[01:06] <ivoks> bzflag
[01:07] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:07] <ivoks> wrong term :)
[01:08] <ivoks> wesnoth is turn-based too
[01:08] <ivoks> man... again :)
[01:13] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:18] <tseng> ogra: f-spot from cvs compiles and runs nicely here.
[03:18] <tseng> ogra: ill try to push a release
[03:22] <ogra> yeah
[03:22] <ogra> tried to compile mondevelop today, but there is a lot breakage in the source (current package) it seems....
[03:26] <ogra> oh, and beagle 0.0.9 wants libebook-1.2.so.0, which doesnt exist.... (we have libebook-1.2.so.3)
[03:26] <tseng> oh it does?
[03:26] <ogra> yep
[03:27] <tseng> I probably have a symlink from the -dev package or something
[03:27] <tseng> libebook-1.2.so        libebook-1.2.so.3      libebook-1.2.so.3.1.1
[03:27] <ogra> i did that too.... one crasher less :) but t still breaks
[03:27] <tseng> we can remap it
[03:28] <ogra> it explicitly looks for libebook-1.2.so.0
[03:28] <tseng> thats fine
[03:28] <tseng> look at /etc/mono/config
[03:29] <tseng> you can take whatever it tries to DllMap in the code in the first part
[03:29] <ogra> ah, great
[03:29] <tseng> and remap it to the actual file under /usr/lib in the target
[03:29] <tseng> we can do that per binary
[03:29] <tseng> so it would be BeagleDaemon.exe.config with the same format
[03:29] <tseng> in /usr/lib/beagle or wherever the .exe is
[03:29] <tseng> worth a shot
[03:30] <ogra> yeah, sounds good
[03:31] <tseng> we do that as a stop gap and get upstream to fix it at the autotools stage
[03:31] <tseng> it was a major problem with f-spot awhile back
[03:33] <tseng> which reminds me, i need to push lewing to make a release for us :)
[03:38] <ogra> heh
[03:39] <tseng> so, are you enjoying muine?
[03:39] <ogra> yep, absolutely...
[03:39] <tseng> :)
[03:39] <ogra> tomboy as well
[03:39] <ogra> only blam is nasty to me
[03:39] <tseng> :(
[03:40] <tseng> i wonder why that is
[03:40] <ogra> might be gtk...
[03:40] <tseng> or gecko
[03:40] <ogra> GLib-ERROR **: gmem.c:141: failed to allocate 4294934712 bytes
[03:40] <ogra> aborting...
[03:40] <ogra> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x436)!
[03:41] <tseng> mm glib
[03:41] <tseng> oh i need a gecko2 release also
[03:41] <ogra> but that might be caused by my selfcompiled stuff here... lets wait until lamont triggered gtk-sharp....
[03:42] <tseng> I thought you triggered it yesterday?
[03:42] <tseng> with another upload
[03:43] <ogra> if there is an older version blocking in dep-wait, the new one doesnt get build until somone triggered tha old one manually...
[03:43] <tseng> oh thats right
[03:43] <ogra> so we have two versions in dep-wait now :-/
[03:43] <tseng> heh
[03:43] <ogra> (i wss to fast)
[03:44] <tseng> the mono team rocks, we have good relationship with all the upstreams
[03:44] <tseng> and debian
[03:44] <ogra> great
[03:46] <tseng> ogra: i found your old job!
[03:46] <tseng> ogra: http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005050209268.jpg
[03:48] <tseng> btw im really getting excited about hct
[03:48] <tseng> merging by hand is getting old
[03:48] <thom> yup yup
[03:49] <ogra> heh
[03:49] <tseng> especially from svn.debian.org
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone here use rhythmbox?
[03:51] <tseng> rarely
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> sorry for asking here, but mine is behaving weirdly, and I'd like to figure out if it's a bug.
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> #ubuntu doesn't seem interested in helping me.
[03:52] <HiddenWolf> and -devel is dead. :P
[03:52] <ogra> its weekend
[03:52] <HiddenWolf> You're kiddin' me ;)
[03:52] <ogra> just a bit
[03:53] <tseng> oh yeah my -multiverse package to finish
[03:54] <HiddenWolf> I'm just loading bugzilla with rhythmbox bugs, for the heck of it. :P *grins*
[04:19] <tseng> ogra: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/gst-plugins/
[04:21] <tseng> there is a little bit left from gst-plugins0.8
[04:21] <tseng> that doesnt affect the final result in our case, i left it in rules for now
[04:22] <tseng> that should let you use aac in rhythmbox, muine needs more work
[04:22] <tseng> because it doesnt use gst for reading the tags (yet)
[04:24] <ogra> i'll look at it
[04:24] <ivoks> hi
[04:25] <tseng> oh jeez i forgot lame
[04:25] <tseng> we can add that here
[04:27] <Amaranth> what's the page to request things for universe?
[04:27] <tseng> UniverseCandidates
[04:27] <Amaranth> thanks
[04:28] <Amaranth> figure i'll see if someone else knows how and can do it for me :)
[04:28] <tseng> is that mono iirc?
[04:28] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:29] <tseng> autotools?
[04:29] <Amaranth> oh, UniverseCandidates is for things that were already packaged
[04:29] <Amaranth> i know i got an autoconf error about PKG_INFO
[04:30] <Amaranth> and iirc gst-sharp in CVS was hosed
[04:30] <tseng> oh thats right
[04:30] <tseng> I'm going to have to defer you on that then
[04:31] <tseng> I have no interest in distributing gst-sharp from CVS at present
[04:31] <tseng> do ping me if they make a sane release
[04:31] <Amaranth> well, wouldn't that be like gtk-sharp-unstable?
[04:31] <tseng> not at all
[04:31] <tseng> gtk-sharp-unstable at least has releases
[04:32] <tseng> and people can target compat with each release
[04:32] <tseng> which are a few weeks/months apart
[04:32] <tseng> vs hoping your cvs checkout for the day works
[04:32] <tseng> we could probably fetch a working combo for this one app
[04:33] <tseng> its just dirty, i want a tarball with a version string
[04:33] <Amaranth> hmm
[04:33] <Amaranth> i thought muine used gstreamer
[04:33] <tseng> it does
[04:33] <tseng> it has its own bindings
[04:34] <Amaranth> ...
[04:34] <tseng> via libmuine
[04:34] <tseng> muine has been around alot longer than gst-sharp
[04:35] <Amaranth> really weird thing about gst-sharp was i pulled from the same day someone claims to have built sonance on hoary and got the same errors
[04:36] <tseng> how is that weird?
[04:36] <Amaranth> well, it worked for them
[04:36] <tseng> oh, thats not what you said
[04:36] <Amaranth> yeah, that sentence sucked
[04:37] <Amaranth> macewan claims to have gotten gst-sharp and sonance to work on hoary so i pulled from the day he posted the blog entry and got the same errors as pulling from today
[04:46] <Amaranth> o_O I don't think gst-sharp is going to get released any time soon. It appears to be a dead project
[04:47] <tseng> eh.
[04:51] <Amaranth> or, you know, i'm use cvs and they've moved everything to svn
[04:52] <tseng> good one
[04:52] <tseng> hm so tamara is working on it
[04:52] <tseng> i wonder where her muine branch is
[04:54] <tseng> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto
[04:54] <tseng> oh jeez
[04:55] <tseng> this is horrible
[04:55] <Amaranth> kill it with the flaming sword of pissed off ;)
[04:55] <tseng> i should
[04:56] <tseng> they are still telling you to use external repos for stuff thats in hoary since months
[04:56] <tseng> and it was edited 30 minutes ago
[04:58] <Amaranth> what's the name of the package for GTK# 1.99.x?
[04:59] <Amaranth> nevermind
[04:59] <tseng> lib*2.0-cil
[05:02] <Amaranth> appearently pkg-config says i don't have gtk#
[05:03] <herve> see you later
[05:42] <tseng> do any of you motu guys jabber?
[05:44] <tseng> oh man sonance has some awful stuff
[05:44] <tseng> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sqlbuilder.png
[05:45] <tseng> DBA ME HARDER
[05:46] <thom> tseng: holy hells
[05:46] <thom> (i'm thom@clearairturbulence.org on jabber)
[05:47] <tseng> rock on.
[05:47] <Amaranth> tseng: I think it stores the library data in an sqlite db
[05:47] <thom> not sure i count as motu, but :-)
[05:48] <tseng> Amaranth: thats cool, it just is soo heavy compared to muine or even rb
[05:48] <Amaranth> well, you don't have to use that :P
[05:48] <tseng> but it looks better than a previous screenshot
[05:48] <tseng> http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sonance-0.4-teaser.png
[05:48] <tseng> less buttons than the 0.2 shots
[05:49] <tseng> but why do I need a) 2 progress showing widgets on the Status window
[05:49] <tseng> and a Hide button for one of them
[05:49] <Amaranth> ?
[05:49] <Amaranth> oh, the throbber
[05:49] <tseng> ok there is a spinner
[05:49] <tseng> and a progress bar
[05:49] <Amaranth> whatever you guys call it
[05:49] <Amaranth> hmm, that is odd
[05:49] <tseng> both showing the same thing, essentially
[05:49] <tseng> "im working"
[05:50] <tseng> you can hide one
[05:50] <tseng> eh.
[05:50] <Amaranth> no, i think the hide button is to hide the status window
[05:50] <tseng> oh, i dont like that either
[05:50] <Amaranth> why?
[05:50] <tseng> i dont see a way to get it back
[05:51] <Amaranth> it lets you start working with music while it's working
[05:51] <Amaranth> you don't know what happens when you hit hide
[05:51] <tseng> anyway if it keeps getting less buttons instead of more, it might be pretty cool
[05:52] <thom> i guess sonance is an equivalent to rb?
[05:52] <tseng> it looks like he is trying to get even closer to itunes or something
[05:52] <tseng> but similar to rb
[05:52] <Amaranth> this is creeping me out
[05:53] <Amaranth> i started muine and rhythmbox and muine started playing the same song, one 2 seconds behind the other
[05:53] <tseng> heh
[05:53] <tseng> btw if you manage to get this thing building, i can help you with packaging
[05:53] <Amaranth> gst-sharp refuses to like me
[05:54] <tseng> for the wiki or something
[05:54] <Amaranth> wtf, muine doesn't have a menu entry or a notification icon anymore :/
[05:54] <tseng> it has a menu entry
[05:54] <tseng> the notification icon was moved to a plugin
[05:54] <Amaranth> ack
[05:55] <Amaranth> and that plugin doesn't exist yet?
[05:55] <tseng> sure it does
[05:55] <tseng> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/plugins.shtml
[05:55] <tseng> its in the source also
[05:55] <tseng> under plugins/
[05:55] <Amaranth> i meant in ubuntu
[05:55] <tseng> im thinking about installing it by default
[05:55] <ivoks> it has
[05:56] <tseng> it has what?
[05:56] <ivoks> menu entry
[05:56] <tseng> i know :)
[05:56] <Amaranth> yeah, i got it after i killed gnome-panel
[05:56] <ivoks> Amaranth ;)
[05:56] <Amaranth> now to get my notification icon back so muine isn't totally worthless :/
[05:56] <ivoks> well, muine isn't much of a player
[05:57] <ivoks> quodlibet is best out there
[05:57] <tseng> QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy
[05:57] <tseng> QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy: Main Page.
[05:57] <tseng> sweet
[05:57] <ivoks> :)
[05:58] <ivoks> sacredchao.net/quodlibet
[05:58] <Amaranth> ooh, it's written in python
[05:58] <tseng> found it
[05:58] <ivoks> there is a package in breezy i think
[05:58] <Amaranth> and it does tag editting!
[05:58] <ivoks> and much more
[05:58] <ivoks> it renames filenames by tags
[05:58] <ivoks> or tags by filenames
[05:58] <tseng> yeah this is too UI'd for me also
[05:58] <Amaranth> UI needs serious work though
[05:58] <ivoks> it can do mass tag change
[05:59] <tseng> on the subject of bad uis, nothing beats easytag
[06:00] <ivoks> man... reboot :(
[06:02] <Amaranth> tseng: Got something better?
[06:02] <tseng> easytag?
[06:02] <Amaranth> better than easytag i meant
[06:02] <tseng> i love it.
[06:02] <Amaranth> i thought you were saying it sucked
[06:02] <tseng> it does :D
[06:03] <Amaranth> heh
[06:03] <tseng> the ui makes me bleed myself
[06:03] <Amaranth> btw, what's the configure option to enable the plugins?
[06:03] <Amaranth> for muine
[06:03] <tseng> you put them in ~/.gnome2/muine/plugins
[06:03] <tseng> and restart
[06:03] <Amaranth> ok
[06:03] <Amaranth> so run make then copy them there?
[06:03] <tseng> yes
[06:03] <Amaranth> cool
[06:04] <tseng> jeez its noon, i need a shower
[06:04] <tseng> and lunch
[06:04] <Amaranth> Damn, the mcs command for muine is 2 screens long
[06:04] <tseng> weekends :)
[06:10] <thom> does mono/.NET have an imap4 implementation? offlineimap just blew up for the last time
[06:20] <tseng> hm dunno
[06:21] <tseng> been using imap4r1 in evo, i think with offline
[06:21] <Lathiat> i use that
[06:21] <Lathiat> evo has a few issues i just deal with
[06:21] <Lathiat> like vfolders
[06:21] <Lathiat> i mark things read in vfolders and the new messsage count isnt updated
[06:21] <Lathiat> and sometimes it is, but then when i hit send/recv
[06:21] <Lathiat> they all go back to unread counts
[06:21] <Lathiat> even tho the messages are actaully marked read
[06:22] <tseng> oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts
[06:22] <tseng> jeez
[06:22] <tseng> 25 seconds to X
[06:23] <ivoks> nice :)
[06:23] <ivoks> did someone try that initng?
[06:23] <tseng> thats what I just said I believe
[06:24] <ivoks> sorry, wasn't here :)
[06:24] <tseng> < tseng> oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts
[06:25] <ivoks> i asked did someone try it?
[06:25] <ivoks> not has anyone visited homepage :)
[06:26] <tseng> buh ill spell it out
[06:26] <tseng> someone posted to ubuntu-devel with a bootchart comparing init to initng
[06:26] <tseng> he obviously tried it
[06:26] <ivoks> ah...
[06:26] <ivoks> i don't follow ubunut-devel
[06:26] <ivoks> and boot chart u have on project homepage
[06:27] <ivoks> http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[06:27] <tseng> http://illadvised.com/~jason/bootchart-hoary-default.png
[06:27] <tseng> http://illadvised.com/~jason/bootchart-hoary-initng.png
[06:28] <ivoks> nice
[06:28] <ivoks> ok, time for a deb :)
[06:30] <ogra> i have no hoary system around that boots this slow
[06:32] <Lathiat> 24 seconds? interesting.
[06:32] <Lathiat> is initng hard to get going properly?
[06:33] <tseng> it needs rewritten scripts
[06:34] <Lathiat> ah
[06:34] <Lathiat> so you rewrote all the init scripts for your boot process/
[06:35] <tseng> thom: is there a someone sane networkmanager i could be testing?
[06:37] <zul> heh solaris http://www.livejournal.com/users/tytso/25923.html
[06:40] <thom> tseng: not yet
[06:40] <tseng> k.
[06:41] <thom> tseng: daniels gets back to work on monday, so new utopia stack should be in soon, then i'll land NM 0.4 on breezy
[06:41] <tseng> thom: my hero
[06:41] <thom> (note the bootchart for initng is missing a tonne of stuff)
[06:43] <thom> (at a quick glance, anyway)
[07:12] <bur[n] er> is there a !seen bot?
[07:28] <tseng> no.
[07:28] <tseng> i have /lastlog
[07:29] <Nafallo> ./whowas? :-)
[07:49] <Lathiat> lastlog is king
[07:49] <Lathiat> i wish irssi had a feature to jump up to the last time a word was highlighted
[07:49] <Lathiat> so you can read context et al
[07:49] <thom> that would be pretty rad
[07:50] <thom> hrm, versioned symbols are way easier than i thought
[07:50] <Lathiat> atm i have to page up page up page up.. :)
[07:50] <tseng> oh totally
[07:50] <tseng> someone do that :)
[07:50] <Lathiat> reall sucks if your ssh session is lagged.
[07:50] <thom> (now if only the apr-util test suite didn't take three months to run, life would be good)
[07:51] <tfheen> thom: get a faster computer?
[07:52] <tritium> good afternoon
[07:53] <thom> tfheen: this is an amd64 3000+
[07:53] <thom> not exactly slow ;-)
[07:53] <Lathiat> guess its fairly top of the pentium-m line, i think my hard disk is what kills my performance
[07:53] <Lathiat> 5400rpm is the suck
[07:57] <tfheen> thom: are you running breezy on that box?
[07:58] <Nafallo> Lathiat: is there faster rpm for laptops? :-)
[07:58] <tfheen> Nafallo: you can get 7200 drives.
[07:59] <thom> tfheen: yes
[07:59] <Nafallo> tfheen: yay! that would probably make this one burn, it's hot enough already :-P.
[07:59] <Lathiat> i'd love an 80gb 7200rpm drive
[07:59] <tfheen> thom: do you have troubly with lsb-core being on utter crack and trying to overwrite /lib64?
[07:59] <Lathiat> and another 512 of ram
[08:00] <thom> tfheen: not that i've noticed
[08:00] <tfheen> hm,
[08:00] <ivoks> i have pm1.4 :(
[08:00] <thom> tfheen: but that'd be because i don't have it installed...
[08:00] <thom> (sorry, just checked)
[08:01] <tfheen> thom: can you try to install it and see whether it blows up?
[08:02] <thom> just installed fine
[08:03] <tfheen> hmm
[08:04] <tfheen> I guess asking you to purge base-files, then install lsb-core, then reinstall base-files is a bad idea. ;P
[08:05] <thom> i'll pass, thanks
[08:05] <thom> :P
[08:05] <Nafallo> tfheen: I'll set up a chroot ;-)
[08:06] <tfheen> Nafallo: if you could set up a hoary chroot, install lsb there and then check if it blows up on upgrading to breezy, that'd be nice.
[08:06] <Nafallo> tfheen: oki :-)
[08:06] <doko_> tfheen, Nafallo: I don't know, if I like my 7200 hard drive ... it's not that quiet.
[08:06] <tfheen> doko_: obviously not; faster drive => more noise.
[08:06] <Nafallo> doko: hehe, and the heat? ;-)
[08:07] <Lathiat> yeh more heat
[08:07] <doko> very cool
[08:07] <tfheen> which is why Simira now has a 2.5" drive in her box.
[08:07] <Nafallo> tfheen: sweet :-)
[08:07] <Lathiat> but my hard drive spot on my laptop (under my left parm) doesnt get very warm even when being used alot
[08:07] <Lathiat> so i dont think a 7.2krpm will burn my hand
[08:08] <Nafallo> well, I should get a new laptop instead of upgrade this one anyway ;-)
[08:20] <dholbach> hai
[08:21] <ivoks> hi
[08:21] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: hai!
[08:56] <bur[n] er> ivoks: wifi-radar wasn't working for me
[08:56] <ivoks> ?
[08:56] <ivoks> bur[n] er what is your wifi device?
[08:56] <bur[n] er> using a centrino (Compaq X1000, so I assume it should work... that's what the developer uses)
[08:57] <bur[n] er> ipw2100 driver
[08:57] <ivoks> bur[n] er eth2?
[08:57] <bur[n] er> possibly
[08:57] <bur[n] er> er... no
[08:57] <bur[n] er> eth1
[08:57] <ivoks> then edit /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[08:57] <bur[n] er> eth0 = lan eth1 = wireless
[08:57] <bur[n] er> aww
[08:57] <bur[n] er> i'll be back ;)
[08:57] <ivoks> :)
[08:59] <ivoks> drcode in many ways :)
[09:01] <bur[n] er> ok... so I still have some issues
[09:01] <bur[n] er> it has to be run as root?
[09:01] <ivoks> nope
[09:01] <bur[n] er> i get /etc/wifi-radar.conf write issues on trying to close
[09:02] <ivoks> sudo vim /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[09:02] <bur[n] er> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:02] <bur[n] er>   File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 576, in delete_event
[09:02] <bur[n] er>     self.save_auto_profile_order()
[09:02] <bur[n] er>   File "/usr/sbin/wifi-radar", line 822, in save_auto_profile_order
[09:02] <bur[n] er>     confFile.write( open( CONF_FILE, 'w' ) )
[09:02] <ivoks> you can't edit file in etc as user
[09:02] <bur[n] er> IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/etc/wifi-radar.conf'
[09:02] <bur[n] er> i know
[09:02] <bur[n] er> so maybe it's a wifi-radar issue and not a package issue
[09:03] <ivoks> that's fs issue
[09:03] <ivoks> not related to wifi-radar
[09:03] <bur[n] er> well... it should prolly save it to ~/.config/wifi-radar or something
[09:03] <ivoks> ?
[09:03] <ivoks> wifi-radar has to be run as root
[09:03] <bur[n] er> instead of using a system-wide config file... so users can run the app
[09:04] <ivoks> ?!
[09:04] <ivoks> users?
[09:04] <bur[n] er> yeah
[09:04] <ivoks> that app brings interface
[09:04] <ivoks> how could user use it?
[09:04] <ivoks> it uses dhclient and ifconfig
[09:04] <ivoks> users don't have permissons to use that
[09:04] <bur[n] er> oh right
[09:04] <ivoks> it's like /etc/network/interfaces
[09:04] <ivoks> only root sets them
[09:05] <bur[n] er> ivoks: shouldn't it also have a systray icon?
[09:05] <ivoks> i don't think so
[09:05] <ivoks> there is allready applet
[09:05] <bur[n] er> i always thought it did... maybe i'm mistaken
[09:05] <ivoks> no...
[09:06] <ivoks> wifi radar doesn't run in background
[09:06] <ivoks> it sets up connection and quits
[09:06] <bur[n] er> true
[09:06] <bur[n] er> i swear i saw the wifi-radar icon in the systray kinda like an apple
[09:06] <ivoks> for traffic monitor u have network monitor applet
[09:07] <ivoks> bur[n] er that's gnome's applet, not wifi-radar
[09:08] <ivoks> apt-get install gnome-netstatus-applet
[09:08] <bur[n] er> i have it
[09:08] <bur[n] er> i use it
[09:08] <bur[n] er> thought there was a more apple like applet for it
[09:08] <Amaranth> eek, tomboy doesn't have tintin anymore
[09:09] <ivoks> bur[n] er and... works?
[09:10] <bur[n] er> it works
[09:10] <bur[n] er> works well
[09:10] <bur[n] er> thanks!
[09:10] <ivoks> np
[09:10] <ivoks> hope it will get in breezy :)
[09:11] <ivoks> djm62 whatch out.. he will paste now :)
[09:11] <ivoks> damn... missed terminal :)
[09:42] <tseng> Amaranth: dude tintin blows (and is illegal)
[09:43] <Amaranth> tseng: The new icon is worse. I couldn't even tell what it was. Until I clicked on it I thought I'd lost tomboy.
[09:43] <tseng> how can it possibly be worse than tintin
[09:44] <tseng> tintin was heinous
[09:45] <Amaranth> it was a known icon and didn't look like someone shrank a desktop screenshot down to icon size
[09:46] <tseng> send me a diff with the properly sized icon added also
[09:46] <tseng> or its at the bottom of the list
[09:46] <tseng> at least we're legal
[09:47] <tseng> and can get the package in debian
[09:47] <Amaranth> heh, the icon makes much more sense when it's full size
[09:47] <Amaranth> at least now i know what it is
[09:47] <tseng> yes
[09:48] <tseng> jimmac made all sizes, i think we are only using 48
[09:48] <tseng> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=tomboy
[09:49] <tseng> if someone knows how to use the other sizes.. id be happy for a patch
[09:49] <tseng> ogra: did that .exe.config help your beagld problems at all?
[09:51] <Amaranth> tseng: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/tomboy.png
[09:52] <tseng> oh its that easy?
[09:52] <Amaranth> not sure how it works in .NET but in PyGTK once you have that you can exploit the theme handling code
[09:52] <Amaranth> you tell it you want 24 and it uses that icon
[09:52] <tseng> ok ill put the icon there
[09:52] <tseng> and see
[09:53] <tseng> nope
[09:53] <Amaranth> hmm
[09:54] <tseng>                  static PreferencesDialog ()
[09:54] <tseng>                  {
[09:54] <tseng>  -                       tintin = new Gdk.Pixbuf (null, "tintin.png");
[09:54] <tseng>  +                       tomboy = new Gdk.Pixbuf (null, "tomboy.png");
[09:55] <tseng> the tray looks a bit different
[09:55] <tseng>  +                       tomboy = GuiUtils.GetMiniIcon ("tomboy.png");
[09:55] <tseng>  +                       tomboy_large = GuiUtils.GetIcon ("tomboy.png");
[09:55] <tseng> applet only has one ref to the icon
[09:56] <Amaranth> yeah, i don't know how the code under that works
[09:56] <Amaranth> theme = gtk.icon_theme_get_for_screen(window.get_screen()); theme.load_icon('tomboy', 24, ())
[09:56] <Amaranth> that's how i'd do it in pygtk
[09:57] <Amaranth> well, pb = theme.load_icon
[09:59] <tseng> yeah I dont know how to do it any better
[09:59] <tseng> it only references one image
[10:02] <Amaranth> heh, i can't get my code to show the 48x48 image
[10:03] <Amaranth> oh, i put the 48x48 one in the wrong place
[10:04] <tseng> tomboy.png is in /usr/share/pixmaps and not the icon theme btw
[10:04] <tseng> if i move it will it be smart enough to find it again?
[10:04] <Amaranth> ah, that's the problem then
[10:04] <Amaranth> well, i don't know how Gdk.Pixbuf works
[10:04] <Amaranth> does it work with the theme spec?
[10:04] <tseng> beats me
[10:04] <tseng> maybe andy can tell me
[10:05] <tseng> he's not on
[10:07] <Amaranth> http://rafb.net/paste/results/CQdcsr97.html and http://www.realistanew.com/tomboy.png
[10:07] <Amaranth> now we just have to figure out how to translate that to gtk# :)
[10:07] <tseng> ah rock on
[10:08] <Amaranth> that's /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/tomboy.png and /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/tomboy.png
[10:08] <tseng> I'll try lewing
[10:09] <tseng> im sure he knows a thing or two about loading images in gtk# :)
[10:10] <Amaranth> Gtk.IconTheme has not been implemented.
[10:10] <Amaranth> d'oh
[10:11] <tseng> there has to be something
[10:11] <Amaranth> p/invoke? :)
[10:11] <tseng> :'(
[10:12] <Amaranth> Gtk.IconTheme is the 'right' way to do it, too
[10:12] <Amaranth> I wonder if it's implemented in 1.9.x
[10:13] <Amaranth> Assembly: gtk-sharp 2.0.0.0 (in gtk-sharp.dll) <--does that mean no?
[10:17] <Amaranth> tseng: You could always just do /usr/share/pixmaps/tomboy.png and /usr/share/pixmaps/tomboy-24.png for now
[10:18] <tseng> my hint is
[10:18] <tseng> < alp> tseng: Settings.Default.IconSize.
[10:18] <tseng> so im guessing we get the value of that
[10:20] <tseng> < tberman> its Gnome.IconTheme.Lookup in gtk+ 2.4 and gtk# 1.9.3.x/1.0
[10:20] <tseng> < tberman> yeah
[10:20] <tseng> < tseng> so that will give me a string to the right image?
[10:20] <tseng> rock on
[10:48] <Amaranth> tseng: awesome!
[10:48] <Amaranth> I guess it got moved into gtk in 2.6