=== Nafallo have troubles choosing the langue to talk in ;-) [12:09] and now I forgot what it was that I was about to say. [12:10] does coffeinepills do this to me? [12:19] ogra: gtk-sharp is in dep-wait since i broke mono the other day [12:20] ah, darn [12:20] ogra: it had the arch-ind. bits that couldnt install the arch bits, see [12:20] they want to match [12:20] jep [12:20] do you want to review my gst-plugins-multiverse? [12:21] url ? [12:21] need to upload [12:22] ogra: can you reproduce the bug that when you change tab in xchat gnome's tabs change sizes? [12:22] actualy it still needs some more work maybe :/ [12:22] it works, but its not very clean looking [12:22] ill get you tommorow [12:22] ok [12:22] Nafallo, i dont use xchat-gnome here... [12:22] just the normal one [12:23] ogra: ehm, the one installed by ubuntu-desktop? [12:23] yep [12:24] that's the one I'm using... [12:24] X-Chat 2.4.1 [12:24] yep [12:24] 'night [12:24] night ivoks [12:24] or bye... whatever u preffere :) [12:24] ogra: so... can you reproduce? :-) [12:24] Nafallo, but my tabs are fine [12:24] ivoks: bye :-) [12:24] hmm, odd [12:25] hmm, I should upload screenshots ;-) [12:27] ogra: http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/tmp [12:30] the freenode one compared to the others should show what I mean :-P [12:32] hmm, i see no difference... [12:32] ogra: no? motu and devel compared to freenode? [12:32] motu and devel differs to, not tu much though... [12:33] s/tu/to/ [12:33] sure, they are as big as needed, but there is no difference in size between these shots... [12:33] ogra: on the gnome windowlist... [12:33] ahh [12:34] ogra: those tabs change sizes when I switch channel in xchat :-P [12:34] i thought you mean the chat window [12:34] this is caused by the different size of the channel names [12:34] its no bug [12:35] ogra: no? so the gnome windowlist should do that? :-P [12:35] yep [12:35] it's bloody irritating ;-) [12:35] look at the tooltip [12:35] aha === Nafallo still get's annoyed ;-) [12:40] does that happen on i386? [12:55] anyway... time for some sleep :-) [12:55] see ya [01:34] morning [01:55] LOL [01:56] look at microsoft.com's whois [02:51] crimsun, I bought my wife an iMac G5 [02:52] tritium: how's Tiger? [02:52] crimsun, it's still on order [02:52] ah, ok [02:53] I'll probably get myself a dual G5 desktop when they come out with the dual-core 970MPs [02:54] nice [02:54] :) === spacey [~spacey@ip106-57.introweb.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thully [~thully@pm476-47.dialip.mich.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] hi - has anyone looked into fixing netapplet from Hoary's universe? current versions have many less bugs... [03:34] as soon as it's more clear what hoary-updates is for (and whether bug fixes can be sent there), there will be a more definitive answer [03:35] hi crimsun [03:35] ev'ning tseng [03:35] hi tseng [03:35] thully: hey dude, are you at all interested in reading up on package-fu and contributing? [03:36] It would be need if updates which required a new upstream version (as in - bug fix updates) could be uploaded to -updates... [03:37] Not major upstream version updates, but 0.99 to 1.00 or 2.12 to 2.13 type updates [03:38] id rather get the fix as a diff [03:38] and only for serious bugs [03:38] frozen distros are good, believe it or not [03:39] I mean mostly universe stuff - having netapplet stuck at 0.99 and crashing every time a user logs out doesn't seem like a Good Thing to me [03:41] well if you want to volunteer to solve crashers in hoary universe into hoary-updates [03:41] that would be awesome [03:41] if you are just going to come in here and keep telling us what we should be doing with our seriously limited man power, ill keep being an ass [03:41] :D [03:42] ogra: mono stuff working well on amd now? [03:44] tseng: partly my fault for asking him if he'd notified anyone here about the problem he's experiencing [03:45] tritium: not your fault, he has alot of good ideas of things to do, but seemingly the expectation that someone else will do it. [03:45] sorry - I'm just still at a point where I want to be a user, and suggest changes and point out bugs, but I'm not ready to actually submit patches and maintain packages [03:46] i am working on gst-plugins btw [03:46] i came into some aac files myself and its bugging me [03:47] thully: you seem capable, in my opinion. I'll be you could sit down with the New Maintainer's Guide, and learn how to package [03:48] the NMG is pretty crackful [03:48] im planning something more bitesized [03:48] That would be outstanding, tseng [03:48] there are several reasons for this - first of all, I had a severe time crunch a few months ago when I barely had enough time to report bugs, let alone contribute patches... [03:49] secondly, I don't have a stable, reliable internet connection all the time [03:49] thully: we're all experiencing similar time crunches. I, for example, and preparing to defend my PhD thesis in 10 weeks. [03:52] tseng: speaking of gst and aacs, I was investigating a method of using wavenc to dump to stdout so I could listen to my aacs remotely (ices2+icecast2), but I decided on using faad -w -f 2 (dumps to stdout) [03:53] hm [03:53] well there is a gst plugin i just packaged [03:53] the gstreamer0.8-faad? [03:53] yes [03:53] the source will be gst-plugins-multiverse0.8 [03:53] yikes - I can't imagine doing something like that and maintaining packages at the same time [03:54] with gstreamer0.8-faad and gstreamer0.8-faac so far [03:54] thully: like what? [03:54] oh phd [03:54] ah, I'm using the one from debian-marilliat. gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse sounds intriguing. [03:54] oh from marillat? === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] eh its probably crack anyway [03:54] i want to do it cleanly [03:55] yeah, but I'm not on amd64, so I don't know if there's one available for amd64 [03:55] thully: I'm not really maintaining any right now, to be honest [03:55] gst-plugins0.8 has a simple method for building extra plugin binaries [03:55] but i want to do it properly in multiverse [04:01] well - sorry about this - I just feel that I'm not ready to take on packages at this time - although I like editing wikis and sending suggestions === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] sure, any contribution is appreciated [04:04] I guess I wasn't quite ready to "do-it-yourself" when it comes to packaging - I'm used to commercial-style betas where you test and report the bugs and others fix them [04:04] yeah dude universe is not the place for all that [04:05] i uploaded 12 packages this week it looks like, i get tired of it you know [04:05] only a few guys here working hard, a few machines [04:06] OK - I guess I shouldn [04:06] and he-man dholbach [04:06] tseng: sorry... [04:06] tritium: for? [04:07] tseng: not being one of the few guys working hard right now. I can't really afford to for a while [04:07] thats fine [04:07] we have 4 months now to do our thing [04:07] tseng, I have also been beating my head against a wall about a few issues with packaging. I would love to assist in the cleanup of this doc and maintenance, etc. [04:11] crimsun, is the semester over for you now? [04:11] tritium: yes, finally. Graduation was this morning at 8:30 AM. [04:11] crimsun, nice :) [04:13] Burgundavia: rock on [04:14] tseng, when you have something you can work with, give it over to the doc guys and we will integrate into our svn stuff. [04:14] Burgundavia: already met the doc guys [04:14] and girl [04:14] jerome and mary were at my BOF [04:15] we'll be starting on the wiki and will decided from there about docbook or whatnot [04:15] cool? [04:15] sounds good [04:15] I just prodded about getting our portal up soon [04:21] portal eh [04:21] web <--> svn/docbook === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bur[n] er [~norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@ip106-61.introweb.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rnz [~rnz@rnz.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089FC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089FC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0670.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-202.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-216.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks_ [~ivoks@lns01-0670.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth goes to bed === herzi [~herzi@c177048.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c177048.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [~herve@bar.oursours.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] hi === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] tseng, blam crashes after some time (havent debugged yet), muine (with handcompiled gkt-sharp2-unstable) and tomboy work fine, beagle crashes too (i blame my package until yours is available) and f-spot doesnt compile [11:12] it crashes and say *blam* ? [11:12] :-) [11:12] heh [11:12] unfortunately it crashes very silent :) [11:13] me edits /usr/bin/blam [11:14] hmm, --debug doest give more info.... [11:14] doesnt even === p0m [wodann@203-166-254-175.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] ah, -v [11:15] morning, ogra. [11:16] morning === ogra wonders if there is intention in the similarity between the names "mono" and "lego" ... while watching the debug output of blam... === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0979.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-191-211.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-216.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] morning all === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] hi [01:06] bzflag [01:07] hehe === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] wrong term :) [01:08] wesnoth is turn-based too [01:08] man... again :) === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] hehe === ogra [~ogra@p5089FC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h130n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.134.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rnz [~rnz@rnz.user] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] ogra: f-spot from cvs compiles and runs nicely here. [03:18] ogra: ill try to push a release [03:22] yeah [03:22] tried to compile mondevelop today, but there is a lot breakage in the source (current package) it seems.... === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax9-235.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] oh, and beagle 0.0.9 wants libebook-1.2.so.0, which doesnt exist.... (we have libebook-1.2.so.3) [03:26] oh it does? [03:26] yep [03:27] I probably have a symlink from the -dev package or something [03:27] libebook-1.2.so libebook-1.2.so.3 libebook-1.2.so.3.1.1 [03:27] i did that too.... one crasher less :) but t still breaks [03:27] we can remap it [03:28] it explicitly looks for libebook-1.2.so.0 [03:28] thats fine [03:28] look at /etc/mono/config [03:29] you can take whatever it tries to DllMap in the code in the first part [03:29] ah, great [03:29] and remap it to the actual file under /usr/lib in the target [03:29] we can do that per binary [03:29] so it would be BeagleDaemon.exe.config with the same format [03:29] in /usr/lib/beagle or wherever the .exe is [03:29] worth a shot [03:30] yeah, sounds good [03:31] we do that as a stop gap and get upstream to fix it at the autotools stage [03:31] it was a major problem with f-spot awhile back [03:33] which reminds me, i need to push lewing to make a release for us :) [03:38] heh [03:39] so, are you enjoying muine? [03:39] yep, absolutely... [03:39] :) [03:39] tomboy as well [03:39] only blam is nasty to me [03:39] :( [03:40] i wonder why that is [03:40] might be gtk... [03:40] or gecko [03:40] GLib-ERROR **: gmem.c:141: failed to allocate 4294934712 bytes [03:40] aborting... [03:40] Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x436)! [03:41] mm glib [03:41] oh i need a gecko2 release also [03:41] but that might be caused by my selfcompiled stuff here... lets wait until lamont triggered gtk-sharp.... [03:42] I thought you triggered it yesterday? [03:42] with another upload [03:43] if there is an older version blocking in dep-wait, the new one doesnt get build until somone triggered tha old one manually... [03:43] oh thats right [03:43] so we have two versions in dep-wait now :-/ [03:43] heh [03:43] (i wss to fast) [03:44] the mono team rocks, we have good relationship with all the upstreams [03:44] and debian [03:44] great === Danten [~danten@h36n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] ogra: i found your old job! [03:46] ogra: http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005050209268.jpg [03:48] btw im really getting excited about hct [03:48] merging by hand is getting old [03:48] yup yup [03:49] heh === ogra cries about xscreensaver while thinking about mergng [03:49] especially from svn.debian.org [03:51] Does anyone here use rhythmbox? [03:51] rarely === ogra just stopped since amd64 gets mono love [03:51] sorry for asking here, but mine is behaving weirdly, and I'd like to figure out if it's a bug. [03:51] #ubuntu doesn't seem interested in helping me. [03:52] and -devel is dead. :P [03:52] its weekend [03:52] You're kiddin' me ;) [03:52] just a bit === HiddenWolf smiles [03:53] oh yeah my -multiverse package to finish [03:54] I'm just loading bugzilla with rhythmbox bugs, for the heck of it. :P *grins* === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h225n11c1o1031.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] ogra: http://tseng2.ath.cx/~brandon/gst-plugins/ [04:21] there is a little bit left from gst-plugins0.8 [04:21] that doesnt affect the final result in our case, i left it in rules for now [04:22] that should let you use aac in rhythmbox, muine needs more work [04:22] because it doesnt use gst for reading the tags (yet) === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0979.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] i'll look at it [04:24] hi [04:25] oh jeez i forgot lame [04:25] we can add that here [04:27] what's the page to request things for universe? [04:27] UniverseCandidates [04:27] thanks === Amaranth spent an hour trying to get sonance figured out last night [04:28] figure i'll see if someone else knows how and can do it for me :) [04:28] is that mono iirc? [04:28] yeah [04:29] autotools? [04:29] oh, UniverseCandidates is for things that were already packaged === Amaranth can't remember what was failing now [04:29] i know i got an autoconf error about PKG_INFO [04:30] and iirc gst-sharp in CVS was hosed [04:30] oh thats right [04:30] I'm going to have to defer you on that then === Amaranth will patiently use muine [04:31] I have no interest in distributing gst-sharp from CVS at present [04:31] do ping me if they make a sane release [04:31] well, wouldn't that be like gtk-sharp-unstable? [04:31] not at all [04:31] gtk-sharp-unstable at least has releases [04:32] and people can target compat with each release [04:32] which are a few weeks/months apart [04:32] vs hoping your cvs checkout for the day works [04:32] we could probably fetch a working combo for this one app [04:33] its just dirty, i want a tarball with a version string [04:33] hmm [04:33] i thought muine used gstreamer [04:33] it does [04:33] it has its own bindings [04:34] ... [04:34] via libmuine [04:34] muine has been around alot longer than gst-sharp [04:35] really weird thing about gst-sharp was i pulled from the same day someone claims to have built sonance on hoary and got the same errors [04:36] how is that weird? [04:36] well, it worked for them [04:36] oh, thats not what you said [04:36] yeah, that sentence sucked [04:37] macewan claims to have gotten gst-sharp and sonance to work on hoary so i pulled from the day he posted the blog entry and got the same errors as pulling from today [04:46] o_O I don't think gst-sharp is going to get released any time soon. It appears to be a dead project [04:47] eh. [04:51] or, you know, i'm use cvs and they've moved everything to svn [04:52] good one [04:52] hm so tamara is working on it [04:52] i wonder where her muine branch is [04:54] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryBeagleInstallHowto [04:54] oh jeez [04:55] this is horrible [04:55] kill it with the flaming sword of pissed off ;) [04:55] i should [04:56] they are still telling you to use external repos for stuff thats in hoary since months [04:56] and it was edited 30 minutes ago [04:58] what's the name of the package for GTK# 1.99.x? [04:59] nevermind [04:59] lib*2.0-cil === Amaranth stabs random things [05:02] appearently pkg-config says i don't have gtk# [05:03] see you later === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-175-222-241.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thom drops to his knees and worships grep-dctrl === grep-dctrl thanks thom for his trust in him === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h225n11c1o1031.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] do any of you motu guys jabber? [05:44] oh man sonance has some awful stuff [05:44] http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sqlbuilder.png [05:45] DBA ME HARDER [05:46] tseng: holy hells [05:46] (i'm thom@clearairturbulence.org on jabber) [05:47] rock on. [05:47] tseng: I think it stores the library data in an sqlite db [05:47] not sure i count as motu, but :-) [05:48] Amaranth: thats cool, it just is soo heavy compared to muine or even rb [05:48] well, you don't have to use that :P [05:48] but it looks better than a previous screenshot [05:48] http://sonance.aaronbock.net/screenshots/0.4-teaser/sonance-0.4-teaser.png [05:48] less buttons than the 0.2 shots [05:49] but why do I need a) 2 progress showing widgets on the Status window [05:49] and a Hide button for one of them [05:49] ? [05:49] oh, the throbber [05:49] ok there is a spinner [05:49] and a progress bar [05:49] whatever you guys call it [05:49] hmm, that is odd [05:49] both showing the same thing, essentially [05:49] "im working" [05:50] you can hide one [05:50] eh. [05:50] no, i think the hide button is to hide the status window [05:50] oh, i dont like that either [05:50] why? [05:50] i dont see a way to get it back [05:51] it lets you start working with music while it's working [05:51] you don't know what happens when you hit hide [05:51] anyway if it keeps getting less buttons instead of more, it might be pretty cool [05:52] i guess sonance is an equivalent to rb? [05:52] it looks like he is trying to get even closer to itunes or something [05:52] but similar to rb [05:52] this is creeping me out [05:53] i started muine and rhythmbox and muine started playing the same song, one 2 seconds behind the other [05:53] heh [05:53] btw if you manage to get this thing building, i can help you with packaging [05:53] gst-sharp refuses to like me [05:54] for the wiki or something [05:54] wtf, muine doesn't have a menu entry or a notification icon anymore :/ [05:54] it has a menu entry [05:54] the notification icon was moved to a plugin === Amaranth kills gnome-panel [05:54] ack [05:55] and that plugin doesn't exist yet? [05:55] sure it does [05:55] http://muine.gooeylinux.org/plugins.shtml [05:55] its in the source also [05:55] under plugins/ [05:55] i meant in ubuntu [05:55] im thinking about installing it by default [05:55] it has [05:56] it has what? [05:56] menu entry [05:56] i know :) [05:56] yeah, i got it after i killed gnome-panel === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-175-222-241.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] Amaranth ;) [05:56] now to get my notification icon back so muine isn't totally worthless :/ [05:56] well, muine isn't much of a player [05:57] quodlibet is best out there [05:57] QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy [05:57] QUODLIBET Online Journal of Christian Theology and Philosophy: Main Page. [05:57] sweet [05:57] :) [05:58] sacredchao.net/quodlibet [05:58] ooh, it's written in python [05:58] found it [05:58] there is a package in breezy i think [05:58] and it does tag editting! [05:58] and much more [05:58] it renames filenames by tags [05:58] or tags by filenames [05:58] yeah this is too UI'd for me also [05:58] UI needs serious work though [05:58] it can do mass tag change [05:59] on the subject of bad uis, nothing beats easytag [06:00] man... reboot :( [06:02] tseng: Got something better? [06:02] easytag? [06:02] better than easytag i meant [06:02] i love it. [06:02] i thought you were saying it sucked [06:02] it does :D [06:03] heh [06:03] the ui makes me bleed myself [06:03] btw, what's the configure option to enable the plugins? [06:03] for muine [06:03] you put them in ~/.gnome2/muine/plugins [06:03] and restart === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h209n11c1o1031.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] ok [06:03] so run make then copy them there? [06:03] yes [06:03] cool [06:04] jeez its noon, i need a shower [06:04] and lunch [06:04] Damn, the mcs command for muine is 2 screens long [06:04] weekends :) === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] does mono/.NET have an imap4 implementation? offlineimap just blew up for the last time [06:20] hm dunno === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0979.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] been using imap4r1 in evo, i think with offline [06:21] i use that [06:21] evo has a few issues i just deal with [06:21] like vfolders [06:21] i mark things read in vfolders and the new messsage count isnt updated [06:21] and sometimes it is, but then when i hit send/recv [06:21] they all go back to unread counts [06:21] even tho the messages are actaully marked read [06:22] oh man that bootchart for initng is nuts [06:22] jeez [06:22] 25 seconds to X [06:23] nice :) [06:23] did someone try that initng? [06:23]