[12:00] <ivoks> hehe
[12:00] <ivoks> xfs_resize :)
[12:00] <jgb> kkathman : where is it in hoary?
[12:01] <spoorweg> i have a problem with ubuntu and i hope somebody here can help me
[12:01] <newitailuve> ivoks thks, i'll look into it :)
[12:01] <ivoks> newitailuve NO!
[12:01] <kkathman> ohh sorry I forgot what channel I was in :)
[12:01] <kkathman> hehe
[12:01] <ivoks> newitailuve that's not for ext3 :)
[12:01] <kkathman> you must be in gnome
[12:01] <kkathman> its under your system config I think
[12:01] <jgb> kkathman : indeed
[12:01] <ivoks> newitailuve i was just joking
[12:01] <jedipottsy> can someone help me getting sound to work?
[12:01] <spoorweg> i got a "GRUB: hard disk error"
[12:02] <spoorweg> what do i do about that?
[12:02] <newitailuve> ivoks k, lol
[12:02] <orathon> hmm i want to host a server but i don know wich server :P
[12:02] <newitailuve> ivoks i would get to the same conclusion soon, i was already googling it lol :)
[12:02] <ivoks> newitailuve :)
[12:02] <newitailuve> ivoks know any other way?
[12:03] <Kisain> thehastrule,you there?
[12:03] <jedipottsy> ne1 else here got sound working with audigy 2?
[12:03] <ivoks> newitailuve ;) there is no such thing :)
[12:03] <eddyp> ThomasWinwood: try vim, it rocks
[12:03] <spoorweg> anybody now?
[12:03] <lewwy> jedipottsy: i have
[12:04] <ThomasWinwood> eddyp: Not likely - I've heard bad stories about both vi and emacs.
[12:04] <newitailuve> ivoks not resizable? what, i have to unmount the partition if i want to resize it?
[12:04] <eddyp> ThomasWinwood: I said vim = vi improved
[12:04] <newitailuve> ivoks that is the worst thing that could happen right now :/:(
[12:05] <ivoks> newitailuve why? there is a log live distros
[12:05] <ivoks> eddyp vimtutor
[12:05] <eddyp> ivoks: nah! lame
[12:05] <ivoks> vim je zakon!
[12:05] <ivoks> don't have any other gods, besides vim
[12:05] <orathon> well all i have to go now, live long and prosper! :D
[12:05] <ivoks> eddyp i had one with over 600 pages
[12:05] <ivoks> :)
[12:05] <spoorweg> what to do whit a "GRUB: hard disk error" ???
[12:06] <orathon> bye..
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> i saw a VIM tutorial on digg
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> h.o and i will get it to yoy
[12:06] <newitailuve> ivoks i didn't understand the last sentence, i'm portuguese, break it down a little :)
[12:06] <lewwy> guys
[12:06] <lewwy> whats the mixer called in gnome
[12:06] <ivoks> newitailuve there is a lot live distributions... u could use one and resize ur partition
[12:07] <ivoks> newitailuve there is even ubuntu live - live means that u don't install it, you just run it from CD
[12:07] <eddyp> ivoks: ThomasWinwood: here : http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php is _THE_BEST_ vim howto
[12:07] <kent> ivoks, the person cant speak english and you introduce him/her to english with words like "u" "ur" etc. ;)
[12:08] <jedipottsy> how do i get alsamixer?
[12:08] <ivoks> kent ah, habbit
[12:08] <jedipottsy> im using gnome,
[12:09] <newitailuve> ivoks: thks, i'll try it with knoppix live
[12:09] <newitailuve> ivoks: one last thing: i was installing qtparted right now, that wouldn't have worked either, would it?
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> anyone here give me a quick howto with mac-fdisk to make a partitoin to dual boot gentoo
[12:10] <ivoks> newitailuve gparted and qtparted are just graphical user interfaces (GUI) for parted
[12:10] <newitailuve> k, i thought so, just getting desperate here :)
[12:10] <newitailuve> thks anyway
[12:10] <critterd> Does anyone know of a good gui in synaptic for p2p file sharing??
[12:10] <newitailuve> live cd it is
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> critterd: bittornadoe-gui
[12:12] <critterd> Thats in Synaptic?
[12:12] <brenton> anyone here have OOo2 base on ubuntu??
[12:12] <Zen> yo all.. what do you think of 3ddesktop?
[12:13] <Zen> is it worth it?
[12:13] <ivoks> brenton i have ooo2
[12:13] <Zen> or is it a totaly useless prog
[12:13] <ivoks> zen no
[12:13] <ivoks> useless
[12:13] <Zen> heh
[12:13] <brenton> ivoks, but do you have OOo2 base?
[12:13] <Zen> thought so
[12:13] <Zen> =)
[12:13] <ivoks> brenton yes
[12:13] <spoorweg> what to do about a grub hard disk error? http://img193.echo.cx/my.php?image=pict00721it.jpg
[12:13] <ivoks> brenton it isn't in menu, but u can start it
[12:13] <brenton> i installed OOo2 from a some repository, but it didn't come with base for some reason
[12:13] <eddyp> does synaptic support debtags?
[12:13] <brenton> oh really?
[12:14] <brenton> is there a reason it's not in the menu?
[12:14] <ivoks> brenton it's 1.9 still
[12:14] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get audigy sound working under Ubantu (not kubantu)
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> critterd: yes
[12:15] <brenton> ok, i guess that makes sense. i was just confused when all the other OOo2 stuff showed up after the install
[12:15] <brenton> so how do i run it?  ooffice2 -base?
[12:16] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get soudn working on Ubantu (not kubantu)
[12:16] <jedipottsy> i have audigy 2
[12:16] <siimo> anyone know of ubuntu archive mirrors on US west
[12:17] <ThomasWinwood> eddyp: Okay, you've converted me. I'll inhale that tutorial tomorrow.
[12:17] <ivoks> brenton start writer and go to new -> database :)
[12:17] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood vim you have to learn
[12:18] <ivoks> u'll be cursed if you don't learn it
[12:18] <anethema> haha i dont know vim either
[12:18] <anethema> i hate that a text editor has a learning curve :( but people do good stuff with it
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> me either b/c nano pwns
[12:18] <anethema> haha yeah i use nano
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> :D
[12:18] <anethema> nano/pico
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> yup
[12:19] <ivoks> lol
[12:19] <ivoks> nano pico
[12:19] <anethema> it sucks compared to vim
[12:19] <eddyp> ThomasWinwood: well, in the end see, we will :)
[12:19] <anethema> but its sooo much easier to use
[12:19] <ivoks> anethema not
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> nano is alot nicer then vim
[12:19] <ivoks> lol
[12:19] <anethema> i doubt it
[12:19] <alex21> i don't find superkaramba in repository
[12:19] <anethema> its easier to use
[12:19] <anethema> but when you see an experiance vim guy programming away in c
[12:19] <aVeedo> at least nano doesnt have an anoying black bar like quanta and the other "graphical" ones
[12:19] <alex21> anyone known where could i fount it ?
[12:19] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: you don't know what you're talking about
[12:19] <anethema> its amazing how fast shit gets done
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> *nicer* not powerful
[12:20] <jedipottsy> ok im on kubantu how do i get sound to work?
[12:20] <ivoks> anethema imagine him doing that shit in pico :))))
[12:20] <anethema> haha yeah right
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> eddyp: i said it is nicer you have to give it that but power goes to vim
[12:20] <anethema> vim is amazing..just so hard and annoying to learn :(
[12:20] <anethema> one day
[12:20] <aVeedo> turn it up?  Liik in multimedia
[12:20] <veritas> ivoks, I still haven't gotten it working :(
[12:20] <ivoks> so... what's easier for him?
[12:20] <ivoks> veritas ?
[12:20] <veritas> Of course I haven't done anything sine I last talked to you
[12:20] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: vim is nice once you know the basics :D
[12:20] <metalsand> ;)
[12:20] <ivoks> lol
[12:20] <aVeedo> quick question: is there any way to get read of the annoying black bar in text editors?
[12:21] <aVeedo> you cant see to type
[12:21] <anethema> black bar?
[12:21] <ivoks> and who are u?
[12:21] <eddyp> anethema: use the link I gave earlier
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> eddyp: but what do u hafta learb with nano?
[12:21] <aVeedo> yeah.  It covers up whatever line your curser is on
[12:21] <anethema> what link what do you mean
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> :-)
[12:21] <alex21> apt-cache search gkrellm
[12:21] <alex21> ksim - System information monitor
[12:21] <mindmedic> jedipottsy, sound should work for most chipsets... if you ask questions be specific about your problems. include your soundcards chip for example
[12:21] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:21] <eddyp> anethema: http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[12:21] <jedipottsy> ok im on kubantu how do i get sound to work? im using audigy 2 zs sound card and 6.1 logitech speakers
[12:21] <Muffie> nite all
[12:21] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: that is correct
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> :D
[12:22] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> i wanna learn vim though
[12:22] <aVeedo> black bar... I'm going to cry if it wont go away.
[12:22] <lewwy> jedipottsy: see the speaker icon down the bottom right?
[12:22] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[12:22] <mindmedic> have you got any sound?
[12:22] <critterd> I havent a clue how to install.gz or tar files . Does anyone knowof a good GUI P2P already in synaptic
[12:22] <jedipottsy> yeah
[12:22] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:22] <Muffie> I have used sudo apt-get install fglrx... But glxinfo | grep direct keeps me showing that Direct rendering is not active. What else should I do?
[12:22] <lewwy> you want to get into the mixer
[12:22] <aVeedo> I see some p2p apps in internet
[12:22] <ivoks> guys
[12:22] <mindmedic> cool, problem solved
[12:22] <ivoks> going to bed
[12:22] <aVeedo> you might have to isntall them
[12:22] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: anethema: that is the _BEST_ tutorial I even saw for vim
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> ok
[12:22] <ivoks> eddyp nope
[12:23] <eddyp> Muffie: modify the xorg.conf
[12:23] <lewwy> jedipottsy: once you are in KMix, click switches up the top, and then light up the button that says "Audigy Analog/Digit"
[12:23] <eddyp> ivoks: why nope?
[12:23] <thechitowncubs> im atttempting to install BF vietnam :)
[12:23] <Muffie> eddyp, Ok, but I dont need to start fglrx module? lsmod does not show it
[12:23] <aVeedo> I amde the hot keys for the first + and -
[12:23] <metalsand> ivoks
[12:23] <aVeedo> right click, you'll see it
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <metalsand> It's metalsand
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp there was one in 8 chapters
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <eddyp> Muffie: that, too
[12:23] <alex21> gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp one chappter every week
[12:23] <metalsand> Remember, uber newb install of wlan-ng drivers
[12:23] <critterd> aVeedo Im clueless to linux right now. I havent a clue how to install programs from the net. Its not like clicking a exe file and it install..
[12:23] <lewwy> Alex21!
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp it coverd everything
[12:23] <lewwy> SHUTUP
[12:23] <Muffie> eddyp, How can I do that?
[12:23] <jedipottsy> nope
[12:23] <ivoks> eddyp even writing macros
[12:23] <aVeedo> I mean, go to
[12:23] <ivoks> :)
[12:23] <jedipottsy> still not working
[12:24] <alex21> lewwy, !!!
[12:24] <ivoks> but...
[12:24] <metalsand> brb
[12:24] <Muffie> eddyp, is there a HOWto somewhere?
[12:24] <alex21> answer me
[12:24] <alex21> :D
[12:24] <ivoks> bye... good night
[12:24] <aVeedo> system -> add/remove programs
[12:24] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> eddyp: ty
[12:24] <aVeedo> I recomend gtk-gnutella if it's there..I havnt gotten around to installing it yet
[12:24] <mindmedic> alex21, how do you type so FAST..
[12:24] <mindmedic> :))))))))))
[12:24] <eddyp> ivoks: I feel that one needs a way to go over the basiscs fast
[12:24] <aVeedo> pm and I'll tell you how to "build" programs from source.  It's really easy.
[12:24] <lewwy> Alex21: its a very simple solution.  just hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: tutorials
[12:24] <critterd> TY
[12:24] <alex21> FAST and FURIOUS
[12:24] <eddyp> Muffie: modprobe fgfx
[12:25] <alex21> lewwy, rm -rf /
[12:25] <jedipottsy> im not using digital out
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: my junior high made us take them last year
[12:25] <mindmedic> hybrid_goth, what?
[12:25] <alex21> lewwy, >/dev/null&
[12:25] <jedipottsy> im using standard leads (no optical)
[12:25] <lewwy> jedipottsy: neither am i, but i makes it work
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: all those typing tutorials
[12:25] <alex21> lewwy, u're h4x0r
[12:25] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:25] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:25] <anethema> im doing vi tutorial! heheh
[12:25] <mindmedic> ohh, yeah theyre cool
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> me 2
[12:25] <lewwy> and a 1337 one at that!
[12:25] <aVeedo> so has anybody removed the black bar in their install?
[12:25] <eddyp> hybrid_goth: np
[12:26] <alex21> why gkrellm isn't in repository ?
[12:26] <hybrid_goth> mindmedic: i hated them because i dont use the home row bs i use modified hunt and peck :D
[12:26] <lewwy> jedipottsy: notice how it says analog/digit?
[12:26] <lewwy> ffs!
[12:26] <Muffie> eddyp, and to set it to automatically start in boot?
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> I type with my two first fingers.
[12:26] <lewwy> alex21: if you want it in the repositry, go FIND a repositry that has it
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> I know where the keys are, but never get around to using any more than two fingers.
[12:26] <eddyp> Muffie: edit /etc/modules
[12:26] <LinuxJones> alex21, have you done sudo apt-get update
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> I'm actually pretty fast at it.
[12:26] <eddyp> Muffie: add it there
[12:26] <Muffie> eddyp, Nice. Thanks! :)
[12:27] <jedipottsy> neither works
[12:27] <jedipottsy> on or off
[12:27] <alex21> LinuxJones, i have this repository
[12:27] <alex21> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:27] <alex21> deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[12:27] <alex21> LinuxJones, alredy done
[12:27] <alex21> what do u have u ?=
[12:27] <eddyp> Muffie: maybe there is a ubuntu--click-click-way of doing that, but I am a Debian user
[12:27] <LinuxJones> alex21, you need to add universe to that line
[12:28] <eddyp> alex21: and probably multiverse :)
[12:28] <Muffie> eddyp, Ok. I preffer this way. Im using Gentoo and Ubuntu on the Desktop. Debian Sarge on my server!
[12:29] <eddyp> Muffie: :)
[12:29] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: please help me
[12:29] <eddyp> Muffie: I thought you were a rookie
[12:29] <Muffie> i am
[12:29] <Muffie> eddyp, Newbie in Linux.
[12:29] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, What do you need?
[12:30] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: i have been tryin to partition ubuntu to let me dual boot gentoo how do i go about this
[12:30] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, How many disks you got? Single one?
[12:30] <hybrid_goth> yes
[12:30] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Windows too?
[12:30] <eddyp> Muffie: damn, that is wack!
[12:30] <eddyp> :)
[12:30] <Muffie> :)
[12:30] <alex21> what are the differece from universe and multiverse ?
[12:30] <critterd> I D/L bittornado-gui_0.3.11-4_all.deb . New to linux. How do I install this to actull use it?
[12:31] <kanuha> Can anyone tell me the program to modify your mouse butons?
[12:31] <Muffie> eddyp: Is it possible to put more than 4 primary partitions in a disk?
[12:31] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, How many partitions do you have right now?
[12:31] <^thehatsrule^> Muffie, yes
[12:31] <orathon> hey iam watching matrix now :P getting some abitions :P
[12:31] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: 4
[12:31] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, copy/paste your partitions in #flood
[12:31] <jedipottsy> it says soundserver crashed (artsd)
[12:31] <eddyp> Muffie: not on i386, but you can use logical ones, why would you need more than 4?
[12:31] <anethema> wheeee vim tutorials
[12:31] <jedipottsy> whats that mean?
[12:31] <LinuxJones> alex21, universe is unsupported free software multiverse has questionable legal restraints
[12:32] <stuNNed> critterd: there is also gnome-btdownload
[12:32] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, fdisk /dev/hda then press p. Copy/Paste the result
[12:32] <judge> hi is anyone else having usb-storage problems in ubntu?
[12:32] <judge> i plug in usb storage drives
[12:32] <judge> it loads usb-storage module
[12:32] <judge> but doesn't add the /dev/sd* files
[12:32] <judge> just prints out name of the device in kernel log :(
[12:32] <orathon> dudes dont tell me that matrix code is a Real code :s
[12:32] <Muffie> eddyp, My gentoo uses 3: SWAP, BOOT and /. The Window partition takes the fourth. Ubuntu is on the second disk...
[12:33] <stuNNed> judge: sure it will use /dev/sd* and not something else?
[12:33] <judge> it doesnt use anything
[12:33] <critterd> stuNNed is that a simple install????
[12:33] <stuNNed> critterd: yes
[12:33] <judge> generally something is printed out in the kernel logs
[12:33] <judge> about partitions, etc
[12:33] <stuNNed> critterd: apt-get install gnome-btdownload but mind you it's only a bittorrent downloader
[12:34] <critterd> stuNNed. Thats not what im looking for I need GUI p2p
[12:34] <stuNNed> critterd: might want to look into giFT or mldonkey then
[12:34] <Muffie> Is it possible to share the SWAP partition between two Linux installations?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> Muffie, yeah
[12:35] <Muffie> thats nice!
[12:35] <LinuxJones> ;)
[12:35] <critterd> stuNNEd are they in synaptic
[12:35] <stuNNed> critterd: afaik yes
[12:36] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Create hda1 as a swap partition. Install gentoo creating hda2 (boot) and hda3(/). After that, you can install Ubuntu with hda4 as (/) and hda1 as swap...
[12:36] <critterd> ok ty will try it
[12:37] <stuNNed> critterd: there is a web interface frontend to mldonkey you probably want to use.  with giFT you need to install the plugins for it for other networks
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> 1: 0 to Muffie: wont i lose my data
[12:37] <stuNNed> critterd: don't use them that much so my exp is limited, sorry
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: will i lose data
[12:38] <benz240> how do i uninstall the fgrlx drivers
[12:38] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, hmmm... Try to copy/paste the result of fdisk using middle mouse button. In xfce (if I can remember) you should select the terminal text, and click with the middle mouse button where you want the text to be pasted
[12:38] <stuNNed> benz240: how did you install them, from a .deb?
[12:38] <benz240> no from the apt-get thing
[12:38] <stuNNed> benz240: apt-get remove packagename
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: hda1 is apple hda2 is hfs hda3 is ext3 and hda4 is swap
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: i am on a mac
[12:39] <Muffie> Apple? what architecture are you using? PPC?
[12:39] <Muffie> ahhh
[12:39] <critterd> stuNNed neither is in synaptic
[12:39] <stuNNed> benz240: then you probably want to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' again
[12:39] <hybrid_goth> let me see if i got a real mouse
[12:39] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Well... Whats on hd2?
[12:40] <Muffie> hda2
[12:40] <critterd> I just installed Ubuntu 5.04
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: isnt ppc the only thing apple uses
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> Muffie:hda2 is hfs
[12:40] <|QuaD-> anyone know of a decent gui latex editor?
[12:40] <stuNNed> critterd: did you enable the universe and multiverse repo's?
[12:40] <benz240> ok now how do i install the open source ati drivers
[12:40] <critterd> No .. How ?
[12:40] <hybrid_goth> brb
[12:41] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Well. You cant have more than 4 primary partitions. I have gentoo and Ubuntu in different disks. (GENTOO + WINDOWS in one) and Ubuntu at the second...
[12:41] <stuNNed> benz240: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:41] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, I should take another disk, or remove one of your partitions.
[12:41] <LinuxJones> critterd, have a look here you need to add the universe repository >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:42] <critterd> ok will do
[12:42] <benz240> should i enable framebufffer device interface?
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: what would i remove ? i removed one once and lost ubuntu
[12:42] <benz240> im running this on a thinkpad with an ATi Fire GL T2
[12:47] <lewwy> sif curse ps2 mice!
[12:49] <|QuaD-_> is there a gtk wysiwyg latex editor?
[12:49] <^thehatsrule^> kdevelop perhaps?
[12:49] <Dalkus> er, is google down?
[12:49] <cocacola> hello
[12:50] <cocacola> is anybody using dcpp?
[12:50] <flex_> did something happen to google
[12:50] <Dalkus> flex_, its down for you too?
[12:51] <flex_> yeah
[12:51] <jedipottsy> ok, i still dont have sound working, and i have enabled audigy analoge/digital in the mixer
[12:51] <|QuaD-_> anyone wanna help me figure out whats wrong with my dhcleint?
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> google is down here too
[12:52] <Quest-Master> wow
[12:52] <Quest-Master> I thought it was a problem on my end
[12:53] <|QuaD-_> what would cause this in my syslog? kernel: bridge-eth0: disabling the bridge
[12:53] <|QuaD-_> kernel: bridge-eth0: down
[12:53] <|QuaD-_> dhclient: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down
[12:54] <aVeedo> what is your favorite dvd/cd writer?
[12:55] <hybrid_goth> graveman
[12:55] <jedipottsy> ok when i go to the terminal and type
[12:55] <jedipottsy> alsamixer
[12:55] <jedipottsy> the mixer appears
[12:55] <jedipottsy> but it says the default hardware (nvidia - NOT my audigy)
[12:55] <jedipottsy> how do i change to audigy?
[12:56] <^thehatsrule^> my google is up
[12:57] <Chrysaor> still down here
[12:58] <Quest-Master> Still down here as well
[12:58] <^thehatsrule^> :S
[12:59] <tiggggr> maybe some dns problems
[12:59] <tiggggr> becouse numeric ip works, google -> http://216.239.59.104/
[01:00] <h|barbobot> it is a dns problem
[01:00] <xc> my desktop disappeared and I can't get it back... all the files and shortcuts I had on it are gone and right clicking on it doesn't do anything either :/
[01:00] <h|barbobot> they'll be up in an little under an hour
[01:01] <kent> my google is down :(
[01:01] <CargolNet> I suppose you can't change the printer name yet, can you? from the graphical interface I mean
[01:01] <xc> the files are still in my Dekstop folder though
[01:01] <Quest-Master> The numerical IP works for me
[01:01] <sysrq> no, DNS is down, you can still access google via 216.239.37.99
[01:02] <Chrysaor> xc: check your nautilus settings, probably show desktop is on
[01:03] <stuNNed> xc: go to applications -> run then type 'killall nautilus' should make everything come back
[01:03] <thully> google isn't working for me either... I'll try the ip
[01:04] <h|barbobot> Google is having dns problems they will be back up in under an hour
[01:04] <thechitowncubs> it was just down
[01:04] <thechitowncubs> its up
[01:04] <xc> stuNNed: that didn't do anything
[01:05] <xc> btw the desktop disappeared after I used the take screenshot feature and tried to right click on the png
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> hey, i have a question, i have an application called Xlink Kai, right now i just execute a startup script and it starts a gui, but there are 2 guis i want to pick from, is it easy to create a small app that asks me what GUI I want to use then execute that shell script?
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> like a small window w/ 2 buttons
[01:05] <devnull> thechitowncubs, shouldn't be to hard
[01:05] <Funraiser> If I want to install an deb app I type sudo "dpkg -i thefile.deb" right?
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> where would I go to learn how to do it?
[01:05] <thechitowncubs> I have Glade...
[01:06] <xc> ohhh now it's back
[01:06] <devnull> well  you have many languages to pick from
[01:06] <xc> stuNNed: I just started nautilus instead of killing it, and it came back
[01:06] <stuNNed> xc: good deal, glad it's back :)
[01:06] <thechitowncubs> I want it to be as simple as possible :)
[01:06] <brenton> anyone know how to install jbdc on ubuntu?
[01:06] <xc> thanks :)
[01:06] <devnull> i would check out gtk's language bindings and pick a scripting language
[01:06] <thechitowncubs> What do you mean?
[01:06] <brenton> i mean jdbc
[01:06] <thechitowncubs> Which one do you recommend for it
[01:07] <thechitowncubs> just a small app w/ two buttons
[01:07] <devnull> i would write your little app with a scripting language instead of c/c++
[01:07] <Funraiser> google is down?
[01:07] <jedipottsy> how do i get a compiler?
[01:07] <thechitowncubs> back up
[01:07] <sir-gold> 10 print "choose a gui" | 20 input $choice | 30 goto $choice
[01:07] <devnull> you could check out perl-gtk
[01:07] <jedipottsy> i need a c compiler because i need to add this command
[01:07] <jedipottsy>  sudo ./configure --with-cards=emu10k1 --with-sequencer=yes
[01:08] <Funraiser> hey Ubuntians: i want to install grapevine. I have the .deb so i type sudo dpkg -i grapevine.deb?
[01:08] <sir-gold> yes Funraiser
[01:08] <Funraiser> thanks
[01:08] <devnull> thechitowncubs, if you go to gtk+'s website you should be able to find some examples
[01:08] <thechitowncubs> sir-gold: What is that?
[01:08] <ThomasWinwood> When you rightclick on a panel there's an option saying "Add to panel". Are those desklets?
[01:08] <flex_> why doesnt bass work in the volume control
[01:08] <thechitowncubs> Those are applets, thomas
[01:08] <sir-gold> thechitowncubs that was IBM tape basic, i was being funny
[01:09] <thechitowncubs> oh i thought i struck gold
[01:09] <ThomasWinwood> Ah.
[01:09] <stuNNed> jedipottsy: apt-get install build-essential
[01:09] <devnull> thecito: i will brb if you have any more questions just msg me
[01:09] <devnull> thechitowncubs, rather
[01:10] <thechitowncubs> What do you guys recommend for me to learn how
[01:10] <thechitowncubs> k
[01:10] <devnull> there could be some gui designer that will also help you with the code
[01:10] <devnull> i suggest looking up perl-gtk
[01:10] <sir-gold> thechitowncubs if you are doing this from a terminal, you don't really need a gui chooser
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> google is back
[01:10] <hybrid_goth> bbl
[01:10] <jedipottsy> thnx
[01:11] <thechitowncubs> right now i have it working good with both GUIS, if i change the shell script manually
[01:11] <thechitowncubs> i have an icon on my gnome menu
[01:12] <Dalkus> Ummm.....
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> and it launches the engine, sleeps for 5s then launches the specified gui
[01:12] <sir-gold> what i saying is that you could modify the script more you just need some way to present a choice, and then a goto
[01:12] <ThomasWinwood> How do I specify a path for gcc when doing ./configure?
[01:12] <Dalkus> My LAN IP has changed - and I didn't change it
[01:12] <Dalkus> what the hell....?
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> lol
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> DHCP
[01:12] <sir-gold> if you don't mind the script poping up a test window with a text menu
[01:12] <sir-gold> text
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> sir-gold, i have no idea how to do that
[01:12] <thechitowncubs> I just want a way to choose
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> i thought a simple glade app would do the trick
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> but i guess that would to
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> o
[01:13] <sir-gold> neither do i in linux, i could do it in a dos batch file tho
[01:13] <sir-gold> hmm, dos batch file running through wine....
[01:13] <thechitowncubs> lol, uck
[01:13] <stuNNed> lol
[01:14] <devnull> you can probably do something through a shell script that could launch a basic x gui
[01:14] <thechitowncubs> x gui?
[01:14] <sir-gold> yeah, shell script, thats what i was thinking of
[01:14] <abood> hi all
[01:14] <flex_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:14] <resiak> sir-gold, thechitowncubs: gmessage!
[01:14] <stuNNed> hi abood
[01:14] <flex_> how can I get universe
[01:15] <abood> guys, how do i accsess gnome desktop manager for settings it up ?
[01:15] <devnull> thechitowncubs, there are ways to make a window in X withought qt or gtk
[01:15] <abood> from a terminal plz
[01:15] <thechitowncubs> gmessage?
[01:15] <thechitowncubs> ahh
[01:15] <devnull> try one of the message command
[01:15] <critterd> DOes anyone know what is the default file path to open progams that synaptic instalss?
[01:15] <sir-gold> abood, you mean x.org setup? to chage graphics settings?
[01:15] <thechitowncubs> I have very little experience with shell scripts
[01:15] <scotth> I'm cureious, what is the best way to assemble a raid fron a drive that used to be in a raid(on another install) and a drive that you just partitioned?  Is there any way to do this and get the original raid data back?  Its a raid1
[01:15] <critterd> installs
[01:16] <resiak> thechitowncubs: No time like the present to learn ;-)
[01:16] <stuNNed> abood: from a terminal?  not really sure besides editing the text files, in the gui it's gdmconfig or gdmsetup
[01:17] <hyperbole> help people... google is offline :(
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> I wish I could learn, could you point me in the right direction
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> google is back up
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> has been for a few minutes
[01:17] <hyperbole> it is? :O
[01:17] <abood> sir-gold,  my proplem is that when i change me GDM settings its doesnt change, i get the Debian Standered GDM window i dont know whats the proplem, and when i try to open the login screen setup from the x it gives me that my password is wrong
[01:17] <abood> i dont know why that
[01:17] <devnull> thechitowncubs, check out the docs for xmessage
[01:17] <Chrysaor> gmail working for anyone?
[01:18] <critterd> Is there even a default file path to the programs that synaptic installs?
[01:18] <scotth> Chrysaor, google is aparently having problems
[01:18] <hyperbole> synaptic is just a shell for apt, isn't it?
[01:18] <Ironfrost> hi - I have a problem with my USB drive
[01:18] <hyperbole> then I guess no
[01:18] <sir-gold> hyperbole yes
[01:19] <sir-gold> there is a default path for where it stores the .deb files
[01:19] <abood> sir-gold,  did u c my last msg bro, any comments ?
[01:19] <Ironfrost> it doesn't appear when I insert it
[01:19] <sir-gold> but the install path is set by the .deb
[01:19] <Ironfrost> the device manager (or whatever it's called) sees a USB device, but not the drive
[01:19] <hyperbole> then propably it doesn't have a mount point
[01:20] <Ironfrost> I tried it in a Windows machine and it told me I needed to format it
[01:20] <devnull> thechitowncubs: xmessage -buttons gui1:1,gui2:2 "which gui"
[01:20] <Ironfrost> but I didn't have admin rights so I couldn't
[01:20] <hyperbole> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[01:20] <sir-gold> abood the only thing i can suggest is 'apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:20] <fortran01> Gmail is down. yahoo!
[01:20] <sir-gold> i don't know if that will have what you need
[01:20] <critterd> Thats my biggest problem with being new to linux.. Windows. Is simple to install programs . ANd there is no problem finding the execution program. I think Linux is to crytic for us newbies
[01:20] <flex_> why cant I access universe with synaptic
[01:21] <flex_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:21] <jedipottsy> yay i got sound working  :D
[01:21] <Ironfrost> so what I think I have to do is to format the drive (I tried mounting it and it didn't work, and because Windows cannot see it either I think it's not a Linux problem)
[01:21] <abood> ok thx i will  try to reconfige it
[01:21] <jedipottsy> now, is there anyway to have 1280x1024 resolution?
[01:22] <sir-gold> jedipottsy 'apt-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:22] <Kisain> can't figure out gproftpd :(
[01:22] <sir-gold> add that res to the list of allowed reses
[01:22] <jedipottsy> apt-reconfigure dont work
[01:22] <stuNNed> sir-gold: afaik it's dpkg-reconfigure
[01:23] <sir-gold> gah, yeah dpkg-reconfigure
[01:23] <sir-gold> not apt
[01:23] <sir-gold> its apt-everthingelse
[01:24] <hyperbole> google is back!
[01:24] <sir-gold> don't mind me, i only installed ubuntu 2 days ago
[01:24] <flex_> fixed
[01:25] <thechitowncubs> gmessage is confusing
[01:25] <thechitowncubs> I don't see how I can get it to execute a command
[01:25] <sbcl3_> where can i place ttf files in order for them to work?
[01:25] <sbcl3_> where is the fonts folder?
[01:25] <critterd> It's All confusing AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
[01:26] <thechitowncubs> not really
[01:26] <critterd> Yea Really
[01:26] <sir-gold> sbcl3_ /home/youruser/.fonts
[01:26] <stuNNed> critterd: read up at the wiki page dude
[01:26] <critterd> DID I got the multiverse and univers  working
[01:27] <devnull> thechitowncubs ... you will need to use xmessage and a script to do what you want
[01:27] <critterd> Just cant find the dam programs to run them
[01:27] <jedipottsy> mozilla keeps closing
[01:27] <jedipottsy> should i re-install ff?
[01:28] <sbcl3_> how do i unzip a tarball? i forget the four letters...
[01:28] <devnull> tar xvf
[01:28] <jedipottsy> help - firefox keeps closing when i try to load a web page
[01:28] <flex_> how do you set prefered apps
[01:29] <sir-gold> tar command line switches- the ugly underbelly of linux
[01:30] <devnull> hehe
[01:30] <sbcl3_> sir-gold: i don't seem to have that folder
[01:30] <devnull> youv got a point there
[01:30] <sir-gold> what is wrong with have an untar command with those switches as default?
[01:30] <Kisain> anyone know how to use gproftpd?
[01:30] <Kisain> it's bein stupid or maybe i am :(
[01:30] <devnull> that would be to easy
[01:30] <sir-gold> sbcl3_ create it
[01:31] <[noobuntu] > anyone here who knows to configure the default alse sound device properly?
[01:31] <jedipottsy> whats the difference between mozilla browser and firefox browser?
[01:32] <ThomasWinwood> Mozilla isn't being developed.
[01:32] <ThomasWinwood> Firefox is.
[01:32] <sir-gold> mozilla has a mail client
[01:32] <amonkey> firefox=standalone
[01:32] <sir-gold> mozilla=ugly
[01:33] <sbcl3_> sir-gold: thanks
[01:34] <[noobuntu] > help me i have too many soundcards!!
[01:34] <stuNNed> [noobuntu] : go into your bios and disable onboard sound?
[01:35] <[noobuntu] > stuNNed, i want to, but there is definitely NO option to do this..
[01:35] <icebalm> [noobuntu] : don't buy substandard components next time
[01:37] <[noobuntu] > stuNNed, merci bien... normally it should not be a problem to set the second card as default...
[01:37] <[noobuntu] > but here it is
[01:37] <newitailuve> noobuntu ill give you my address and you send me the surplus soundcards, what do you say? :D
[01:39] <[noobuntu] > newitailuve, ok, you get my onboard...
[01:39] <JanC> if there is no bios option there might be a jumper on your mobo...
[01:40] <sir-gold> i spent 2 days once trying to get alsa working, only to discover that the onboard sound was disabled...
[01:41] <[noobuntu] > oh, please! no more jumper action... is tthere no way to configure alsa to use only the second card?
[01:41] <Quest-Master> That had to suck sir-gold
[01:41] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : sec.
[01:41] <abbot45> i spent a day trying to get my alsa working, but then found out my plugs were in the wrong spots.
[01:41] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : which two cards?
[01:41] <abbot45> which is weird because they were working fine in mandrake
[01:42] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : (i.e., what's the output of cat /proc/asound/cards? Use #flood)
[01:43] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : so you don't want the cmi to be primary?
[01:44] <thully> crimsun: I don't think you're going to have to repackage anything from marillat... since Ubuntu Backports already did (in a separate repo than the backports themselves)
[01:44] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : echo "options snd-cmipci index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:44] <[noobuntu] > crimsun, no, i want  FM801AU its a good terratec card!
[01:45] <crimsun> thully: ok, good to know. Thanks for the heads-up.
[01:46] <jedipottsy> HELP
[01:46] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : ok, good. Now log out of GNOME, log into a console (ctrl+alt+F1), and execute ,,sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload''
[01:46] <thully> Some people expressed doubts over the quality of those packages (mostly because they remembered the backports problems from a while ago) but they seem to work much better than downloading .debs of Marillat's FTP and using apt-pinning heavily.
[01:46] <jedipottsy> firefox shuts down for no reason
[01:46] <jedipottsy> when ever i go to load a page it just shuts down
[01:46] <jedipottsy> no error message
[01:46] <jedipottsy> some sites work
[01:46] <[noobuntu] > crimsun, k, 'll be back
[01:46] <crimsun> thully: is UB using 1.0pre7?
[01:46] <devnull> that sounds fun
[01:47] <devnull> reinsall firefox
[01:47] <jedipottsy> like the ubunto forum, but not sites like driverheaven
[01:47] <thully> Mplayer?  I don't think they have Mplayer
[01:47] <jedipottsy> done tht, lost my firefox icons but still happens
[01:47] <crimsun> thully: sorry, whichever site you were referring to
[01:47] <thully> However - note, the repo. mentioned in RestrictedFormats does not have gstreamer stuff yet.
[01:48] <jedipottsy> happens with mozilla browser aswell
[01:48] <thully> And I don't think that they have Mplayer - regardless, that would be in the backports section (since it is a new version of something in Hoary) and not in the extras section (which just adds to the package selection)
[01:49] <brenton> how do i add something to my shell's classpath in ubuntu??
[01:49] <brenton> it's not liking setenv
[01:49] <crimsun> brenton: add it (export it) to ~/.bashrc
[01:50] <thully> I also retired all the Warty-specific instructions in the wiki (as many may be broken now) and said at the top of the page that the instructions are for Hoary and some may work for Warty and some may not...
[01:50] <crimsun> brenton: Ubuntu uses bash, which honours export, not csh's setenv
[01:50] <brenton> thanks
[01:50] <brenton> ok
[01:50] <crimsun> thully: great, thanks for clarifying that there
[01:50] <occy> crimsun, got a good networking printing howto?  I've tried to follow this:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  ->  How can I share my printer on my LAN?   But it doesn't seem to work.
[01:51] <occy> Got my desktop setup to print.  10.10.0.7   and I've got a laptop I'm trying to print from, to the Desktop.
[01:51] <thully> Anyway, most people who want multimedia on Warty already have it - as very few people are going to be doing fresh Warty installs now...
[01:51] <jedipottsy> is there a free cedega?
[01:51] <crimsun> occy: 'lo, we keep missing each other. Sorry, don't have one off the top of my head.
[01:51] <occy> You'd think GNOME would have some easy clicky clicky network printing stuff with cups
[01:52] <occy> crimsun, howdy.  np bud.  ;)
[01:53] <thully> does anyone know where I would suggest UI/font tweaks for the next release...
[01:53] <Exposure> cups IS clickety click, try http://localhost:631
[01:53] <sbcl3_> do fonts really go in a usermade directory ./fonts?
[01:53] <crimsun> thully: on the ubuntu-devel mailing list for one
[01:53] <sbcl3_> because from xchat i can't pick any of the ones located there
[01:53] <occy> Exposure, heh.  Laptop (no printer)  printing to desktop that's on 10.10.0.7  doesn't work with localhost on the laptop.
[01:53] <occy> Exposure, :P
[01:53] <crimsun> thully: though if they're gnome- or kde-specific, one also could bring up the issues on those mailing lists
[01:54] <JoshRA> hey how can i set the shell encodeing to be used on both gnome and kde i can not find out how
[01:54] <Exposure> occy: both are on linux?
[01:54] <occy> Exposure, but of course.
[01:54] <occy> :)
[01:54] <occy> both are Ubuntu
[01:54] <thully> I'm not going to be using breezy (at least until it gets fairly stable.)
[01:55] <Exposure> occy: does the printer show up when you type smbclient -L <desktop> ?
[01:55] <segphault> I've asked here a couple of times before and never gotten answer... figured I'd try one more time:
[01:55] <segphault> how do I make sawfish the default window manager?
[01:55] <occy> october@distance:~ > smbclient -L 10.10.0.7
[01:55] <occy> Error connecting to 10.10.0.7 (Connection refused)
[01:55] <occy> Connection to 10.10.0.7 failed
[01:56] <JoshRA> anyone?
[01:56] <Exposure> segphault: look at system > preferences > sessions
[01:56] <occy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  <-- this howto doesn't mention samba
[01:56] <segphault> I've tried all the obvious things (like changing the appropriate value in gconf-editor) and changing the thing in /etc/alternatives
[01:56] <occy> Exposure, not in regards to printing it does
[01:56] <occy> errr
[01:56] <occy> it doesn't
[01:56] <Exposure> occy: try adding -U <username>
[01:57] <Exposure> occy: networkingprinting is forwarded to samba by cups
[01:57] <occy> Exposure, I don't recall setting up samba on my Ubuntu Desktop (that has the printer)
[01:57] <occy> unless smb is setup by default with Ubuntu
[01:57] <Exposure> occy: well you have to share the printer in order to use it over a network ;)
[01:57] <segphault> I've played with the sessions dialog before, but if I had 'sawfish' to startup programs, it starts metacity and gives me a message about not being able to start more than one window manager
[01:58] <occy> Exposure, have you actually done this before?  Or just making this up as you go?
[01:58] <occy> Exposure, :P
[01:58] <segphault> If I remove metacity using the session dialog, I can start sawfish, but that doesn't become persistent
[01:58] <segphault> what I want to know is where gnome is configured to start metacity. I can't seem to find any relevant scripts in /etc/X11 or anything
[01:58] <Exposure> occy: I never shared a linux printer before.. but i think this is the way to do it ;)
[01:58] <occy> Exposure, hah.  Tx for trying to help.
[01:59] <occy> :P
[01:59] <occy> :)
[01:59] <Exposure> np ;)
[01:59] <qtrr> Quick answer? Any real disavantage to doing a dist-upgrade on warty to horay insted of a clean install of horay?
[01:59] <crimsun> segphault: the x-window-manager and the gconf key both need to be set to $your_choice_of_wm
[01:59] <segphault> crimsun: already did that, it didn't work
[02:00] <sysrq> segphault: or you could just edit the gnome-session to start your WM instead of metacity
[02:00] <sysrq> which might be a bit easier
[02:00] <crimsun> qtrr: no real disadvantage, just make sure you read the update notes.
[02:00] <segphault> sysrq: where? The gnome-session-properties tool doesn't provide a mechanism for that, and metacity *isn't* in the session file
[02:01] <crimsun> segphault: look at WM=  in /usr/share/gnome/default.wm
[02:01] <segphault> the session file was the first thing I tried
[02:01] <sysrq> segphault: hrm, it was for me, that's how I replaced it with openbox
[02:01] <segphault> crimsun: I changed that too
[02:01] <bloomberg> does anyone have a username and password for the CUPS on localhost:631
[02:01] <crimsun> segphault: and you killed the gconf daemon(s)?
[02:02] <holycow> bloomberg, there is none
[02:02] <segphault> crimsun: no... but I wasn't logged in when I made those changes
[02:02] <holycow> bloomberg, thats disabled
[02:02] <JoshRA> can anyone answer my question?
[02:02] <sysrq> segphault: you might try killing the metacity process and starting your WM, then saving the gnome-session
[02:02] <holycow> use the gnome cups manager in systems menu
[02:02] <bloomberg> im trying to add a printer, and it asks for one
[02:02] <holycow> dont add a fucking printer
[02:02] <holycow> use the gnome menu editor in systems
[02:02] <segphault> sysrq: wouldn't that save a bunch of other incidental junk that gnome starts automatically?
[02:02] <segphault> sysrq: I'd like to avoid having a bunch of duplicate system processes
[02:02] <sysrq> segphault: yes, but you can remove those from the session manager as well
[02:03] <segphault> hm. I guess I'll try that.
[02:03] <[noobuntu] > crimsun,  i love you man! thank you i will not die of earcancer!
[02:03] <psychonate> I hope this distro is pretty good
[02:03] <[noobuntu] > it worked!
[02:03] <psychonate> Mandriva just made me very angry heh
[02:03] <bloomberg> holycow: are you talking about adding a printer through System -> Admin -> Printers?
[02:03] <psychonate> well, Mdk 10.1
[02:03] <crimsun> [noobuntu] : np
[02:03] <holycow> bloomberg, what else?
[02:03] <bloomberg> ok
[02:03] <holycow> :)
[02:05] <segphault> the gnome people should really consider making a config tool that makes it easier to change the WM
[02:05] <segphault> I'd bitch to them about it, but I doubt that would accomplish anything, they would probably get all derisive
[02:05] <psychonate> I prefer XFCE myself
[02:06] <jordanau> yeah i just logged on to freenode to see that my password was stolen, I then recovered it, released it, only to find that i was logged in in another window
[02:06] <yoni1> omg,irc in gaim is so cool :)
[02:06] <psychonate> but xchat has transparency :)
[02:06] <segphault> psychonate: I tried XFCE when the new version came out. It's not bad, but it's too mouse-centric for my tastes
[02:06] <jordanau> yoni1, it is nice, but i like xchat after trying both
[02:06] <holycow> segphault, why not make one sour self? python/gtk are easy enough.
[02:06] <jordanau> psychonate, it does? do you have to enable it in xorg.conf?!!
[02:06] <yoni1> jordanau: well yeah i use xchat all time, just found out gaim has support and its kinda cool ;)
[02:07] <psychonate> segphault: I like using the mouse for switching workspaces, getting window lists, etc.
[02:07] <segphault> holycow: that's a good idea. I'm not sure if the methodology for changing the config is consistant across dists
[02:07] <psychonate> jordanau: no, the option is right in xchat's preferences
[02:07] <segphault> psychonate: that's a matter of preference. I greatly prefer using keyboard for *everything*. I have manually configured almost 300 independent sawfish shortcuts. =}
[02:08] <jordanau> psychonate, non compliant window manager, i guess i do have to enable it...
[02:08] <psychonate> heh
[02:08] <psychonate> jordanau: dunno anything about that
[02:08] <psychonate> I just use the transparency offered in xchat's preferences
[02:08] <jordanau> psychonate, yeah well i think it is your fault it doesnt work j/k
[02:08] <segphault> sawfish has some weird bugs. I'd like to be able to switch to something newer, but I can't find anything I like
[02:09] <jedipottsy> how do i delete a folder i made as a root?
[02:09] <segphault> I've been working on a window management library in ruby that may make it so that I can extend metacity to the point where it behaves like sawfish. =}
[02:09] <sysrq> segphault: looked at openbox? It has customizable keybindings
[02:09] <psychonate> segphault: only time I use keyboard shortcuts is for new tabs in xchat/firefox and switching between screens in screen
[02:09] <segphault> sysrq: I haven't looked at openbox. I looked at Flux (which I was told was similar but better) and it looked promising.
[02:09] <psychonate> fluxbox is nice
[02:09] <psychonate> pretty lightweight, and it looks decent
[02:09] <segphault> I like the tabbed window thing in Flux
[02:10] <jedipottsy> how do i delete a folder i made as a root?
[02:10] <segphault> I'm really looking forward to the official release of WMII
[02:10] <sysrq> segphault: I much prefer open to flux, openbox 3 had a entire rewrite and is no longer based on the bb codebase
[02:10] <psychonate> segphault: dunno if I remember that
[02:10] <jordanau> jedipottsy, log in as root
[02:10] <jedipottsy> how do i login as root?
[02:10] <psychonate> so, this Ubuntu, is it good?
[02:10] <segphault> WMII is a tiled window manager (like ION but it doesn't suck)
[02:10] <jordanau> jedipottsy, sudo rm /folder/you/want/gone
[02:10] <psychonate> I'm downloading it now, and I don't like to be disappointed heh
[02:10] <segphault> jedipottsy: you don't, you use sudo -s and then give it your normal password
[02:11] <jordanau> segphault, yeah i misspoke
[02:11] <jordanau> segphault, thanks
[02:11] <segphault> psychonate: depends on your tastes. I'm a former debian user. I switched to ubuntu because I got tired of slow releases
[02:11] <jordanau> segphault, they froze sarge recently right?
[02:11] <crimsun> last week, yes.
[02:12] <jedipottsy> rm: cannot remove `cvs': Is a directory
[02:12] <segphault> psychonate: I have found that ubuntu is very much to my liking. It's almost exactly like debian, but it's way easier to manage, it has much better/easier hardware support/config etc
[02:12] <segphault> yeah, they just did the freeze
[02:12] <segphault> not that it means much
[02:12] <jordanau> jedipottsy, i think you have to delete recursively
[02:12] <segphault> this debian release is like a year overdue
[02:12] <jordanau> segphault, or more
[02:12] <psychonate> segphault: well, I like the amount of packages Gentoo has, and I like relatively regular updates I suppose
[02:12] <segphault> I really think they should give up on releases and just maintain a constant stream
[02:12] <sir-gold> frozen at kernel 2.4, so its frozen like a wooly mammoth
[02:12] <jedipottsy> whats that mean?
[02:12] <psychonate> segphault: I used Gentoo for a while and liked it, and I just got done trying mandrake 10.1
[02:13] <psychonate> had some problems with mdk 10.1 though
[02:13] <jordanau> jedipottsy, rm --help or man rm
[02:13] <segphault> psychonate: I would say that gentoo beats the crap out of any debian dist, but it requires more effort to maintain
[02:13] <psychonate> yeah, the latter is definitely true
[02:13] <jordanau> segphault, key word there is effort
[02:13] <bigbill52a> nickserv identify bigbill52a
[02:13] <jordanau> bigbill52a, you might want to add a /msg to that :D
[02:14] <bigbill52a> thanks
[02:14] <segphault> psychonate: you will probably be pleasantly surprised by how much easier ubuntu is to maintain, but you will probably also be dissapointed with the performance and the lack of control
[02:14] <jordanau> bigbill52a, and change your password promptly
[02:14] <psychonate> Mandrake actually had a decent amount of packages once the online sources are set up, but I had some other problems with it
[02:14] <bigbill52a> this is the first one that i could get ati drivers to work
[02:15] <musashi> i<3ubuntu
[02:15] <bigbill52a> i like the apt-listbugs...
[02:15] <psychonate> segphault: well, keep in mind, I was just using Mandrake. It's not exactly a customizer's dream
[02:15] <jordanau> bigbill52a, as an ati customer, i know i will get an nvidia next time
[02:15] <crimsun> segphault: hm, performance and lack of control?
[02:15] <jedipottsy> theres 5311 files, i cant delete all those files
[02:15] <segphault> psychonate: right, mandrake is *much* worse than ubuntu
[02:15] <segphault> psychonate: I was talking about in comparison to gentoo
[02:15] <jedipottsy> how do i just delete folder? -d did nowt
[02:15] <psychonate> yeah
[02:15] <psychonate> I hear ya
[02:15] <jordanau> jedipottsy, man rm
[02:15] <segphault> crimsun: have you ever used gentoo?
[02:16] <crimsun> segphault: sporadically.
[02:16] <segphault> crimsun: I'm not saying that ubuntu performs badly or doesn't give you a lot of control, but for someone who is used to stage one gentoo install... nothing can really compare
[02:16] <bigbill52a> i use ubuntu live to copy files from my customer's computers to an external hard drive...so that i can reinstall windows...and reinstall windows....etc, etc
[02:16] <psychonate> tbh, I didn't really care so much about the amount of control Gentoo offered as I did about the amount of packages Gentoo offered :)
[02:17] <crimsun> segphault: there were months when I mussed over LFS
[02:17] <jordanau> psychonate, a lot or few?
[02:17] <psychonate> A LOT
[02:17] <jedipottsy> # rm --directory cvs
[02:17] <jedipottsy>  - still wont delete
[02:17] <psychonate> A LOT, LOT
[02:17] <segphault> crimsun: hehe yeah, I suppose that would exceed gentoo for control/performance
[02:17] <abbot45> bigbill52a do you ever suggest just switching to linux to them?
[02:17] <segphault> crimsun: Is that pretty tough to do?
[02:17] <jordanau> jedipottsy, you have to enter the entire path
[02:17] <jordanau> jedipottsy, and you need a /
[02:17] <jedipottsy> ok
[02:17] <bigbill52a> most of my customers..cant figure out windows...
[02:18] <bigbill52a> never mind the intricacies of linux
[02:18] <crimsun> segphault: nope
[02:18] <jordanau> jedipottsy,        -d, --directory
[02:18] <jordanau>               unlink  FILE,  even  if  it is a non-empty directory (super-user
[02:18] <jordanau>               only; this works only if your system
[02:18] <musashi> most people double click on shit on the desktop for email and web
[02:18] <jordanau> sorry more lines than i though
[02:18] <bigbill52a> but i give them the ubuntu live cd so they can play games
[02:18] <jedipottsy> # rm --directory /home/jedipottsy/cvs
[02:19] <jordanau> jedipottsy, that unlinks files it doesnt delete folders
[02:19] <psychonate> I need stability though.
[02:19] <jordanau> jedipottsy, read the description
[02:19] <jedipottsy> o
[02:19] <CATLI_NL> good evening
[02:19] <psychonate> I just got pissed at Mandrake because my system froze up entirely after 42 days of uptime
[02:19] <jedipottsy> how do i delete it then?
[02:19] <psychonate> that really makes me angry
[02:19] <segphault> jedipottsy: rm -r
[02:19] <CATLI_NL> anybody from the netherlands
[02:19] <CATLI_NL> need some help with my cam
[02:19] <jedipottsy> ok thnx
[02:19] <segphault> psychonate: I haven't used mdk since.. like... v 8
[02:20] <segphault> psychonate: and it sucked in a major way back then.
[02:20] <jordanau> jedipottsy, sudo rm -r <--- you need to be sudo
[02:20] <psychonate> I don't mind having some problems that can be fixed by switching to a virtual terminal, but when something freezes up entirely...
[02:20] <CATLI_NL> can somebody help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[02:20] <psychonate> I just can't take that
[02:20] <segphault> yeah, that's really a bummer
[02:20] <psychonate> If I have to reboot, I slay whole families
[02:20] <segphault> with debian, I had to kill X every now and then
[02:20] <jordanau> CATLI_NL, if someone knows, they will help you
[02:20] <bigbill52a> i was using system rescue disk with terminal commands, but ubuntu live is a lot easier and faster
[02:20] <Dave9191> heya guys :)
[02:20] <jedipottsy> yeah thanks
[02:20] <jedipottsy> i done it
[02:21] <CATLI_NL> i get this is error with motion : Failed to open video device /dev/video0
[02:21] <psychonate> segphault: Did you have to reboot. I can deal with some killing
[02:21] <jordanau> CATLI_NL, describe your problem for people to see, dont ask to ask just ask
[02:21] <segphault> I haven't had a single program/system crash since I started using ubuntu
[02:21] <jedipottsy> i used root terminal
[02:21] <psychonate> ah, I like the sound of that
[02:21] <segphault> psychonate: only once or twice when I was using bad wifi drivers
[02:21] <psychonate> I don't use wifi ;)
[02:21] <jordanau> CATLI_NL, do you have any other video programs open?
[02:21] <CATLI_NL> no
[02:21] <jordanau> jedipottsy, that works too
[02:21] <JoshRA> hrm asking here is no help
[02:21] <jedipottsy> thnx for ur help
[02:21] <psychonate> as far as I'm concerned, the only time I should have to reboot is to physically move my box or to try out a new kernel
[02:21] <CATLI_NL> it's a logitech quickcam express, the drivers are loaded very well
[02:22] <jedipottsy> trying to get wine to wrk
[02:22] <JoshRA> :/
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> but I get this error
[02:22] <jordanau> jedipottsy, are you new to linux??
[02:22] <bigbill52a> kde will crash unexpectedly leaving my screen filled with little square blocks...programs continue running but you cant exit xserver or reboot
[02:22] <crimsun> JoshRA: sec, your post was lost in the backscroll
[02:22] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: maybe it's under /dev/v4l/video0 ? look in dmesg for anything
[02:22] <jedipottsy> yeah first day
[02:22] <segphault> psychonate: yeah, I totally agree. Linux memory management is so good, periodic reboots become totally unnecessary
[02:22] <jedipottsy> ill get better tho
[02:22] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: also check the file permissions
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> hmmm, ok
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> I trial
[02:22] <jedipottsy> how do i talk to u in red?
[02:22] <jordanau> jedipottsy, if you have any general linux questions, feel free to /msg me
[02:22] <CATLI_NL> i try
[02:22] <jedipottsy> o ryt
[02:22] <jedipottsy> k
[02:23] <jordanau> jedipottsy, type part of my name and press tab
[02:23] <jedipottsy> jordanau, ok
[02:23] <jedipottsy> jordanau, thnx
[02:23] <crimsun> JoshRA: what encoding (locale?) are you looking to use?
[02:23] <musashi> i think the hurd kernel can be modified and not rebooted?
[02:23] <jordanau> jedipottsy, well done
[02:23] <jordanau> jedipottsy, you can also use auto complete in terminal with directories ie press /h then tab and it will change to /home
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, so if i wanted to install city of heroes, how would i do it?
[02:24] <CATLI_NL> no, i get the same error
[02:24] <segphault> musashi: the hurd kernel can be extended in user space, so I think if you add a runtime extension you don't have to reboot to get it to operate
[02:24] <segphault> musashi: I'm not sure tho
[02:24] <jordanau> jedipottsy, i assume there is no linux version?
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, as the files on the disc is exe
[02:24] <jordanau> jedipottsy, use cedega
[02:24] <CATLI_NL> how do I change the permissions of the device??
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, no, i was going to use wine
[02:24] <rixth> /usr/include/pygtk-2.0/pygobject.h:5:20: Python.h: No such file or directory <<< Where would I get that? I installed python-gtk2-dev
[02:24] <CATLI_NL> if i try chmod i get an error also
[02:24] <jordanau> jedipottsy, www.transgamming,com or .org i cant remember
[02:24] <crimsun> rixth: you need python-dev
[02:24] <psychonate> I'm not very familiar with Debian, so I hope I can figure out how to use this package management system heh
[02:24] <jedipottsy> jordanau, would wine work?
[02:25] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: what are you trying to change the permissions to? A fix might just be to add your user account to the video user group if it is set to that
[02:25] <rixth> crimsun, I've got python2.4-dev and it still dies.
[02:25] <Quest-Master> psychonate: Debian has the best packaging system hands-down. This is coming from someone who has gone through the hell of RPMs and the complications of compilations ;)
[02:25] <jordanau> cedega is wine specifically games, that is your best chance
[02:25] <CATLI_NL> i'am logged in as root
[02:25] <JoshRA> western8859-15
[02:25] <JoshRA> i wanted that defaulted
[02:25] <segphault> psychonate: it's not that hard. If you want to see what the command line commands are like, google for 'APT debian'
[02:25] <sysrq> CATLI_NL: that's generally a bad idea
[02:25] <segphault> psychonate: it's not as good as portage/emerge, but it's pretty damn good
[02:25] <CATLI_NL> ok
[02:26] <jedipottsy> jordanau, how do i get 32bit firefox? i want to be able to watch flash videos
[02:26] <jordanau> jedipottsy, are you on AMD 64?
[02:26] <abbot45> CATLI_NL, yeah, you should learn to do some necessary things using the command line, so you dont have to log in as root.
[02:26] <musashi> just say no to flash
[02:26] <jedipottsy> jordanau, yeah
[02:26] <CATLI_NL> ok
[02:26] <jordanau> musashi, i cant wait till it goes out of style
[02:26] <segphault> psychonate: it's like emerge in the sense that it automatically downloads the packages and dependencies, and installs them for you, etc
[02:26] <crimsun> rixth: what app are you attempting to compile?
[02:27] <JoshRA> crimsun: westeren 8859-15
[02:27] <psychonate> yeah, I figured as much
[02:27] <psychonate> I don't need anything super advanced, as long as it gets me the packages, the deps, and doesn't screw up heh
[02:27] <jordanau> jedipottsy, all i know is that people say stuff about chroot when it comes to 32 bit programs, you could possible search the forums for it, there is a specific 64 bit forum
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> ok, if I do dmesg i see the next
[02:27] <jedipottsy> jordanau, ok
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> /home/yavuz/Desktop/spca5xx-20050501/drivers/usb/spca561.h: [spca561_init:673]  Find spca561 USB Product ID 928
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> Colour QuickCam for Video4Linux v0.05
[02:27] <CATLI_NL> ibm_acpi: ec object not found
[02:28] <crimsun> JoshRA: then you'll need to generate that locale (dpkg-reconfigure locales)
[02:28] <jedipottsy> flash is gud
[02:28] <abbot45> does anyone know how to get an s-video output working?
[02:28] <crimsun> JoshRA: then choose that when you log in
[02:28] <jedipottsy> it just only really works well with windows
[02:28] <CATLI_NL> so i think the driver is loaded good
[02:30] <CATLI_NL> sysrq can i speak you private
[02:31] <tritium> abbot45, with what?  An nvidia video card?
[02:31] <psychonate> I just use twinview for that
[02:31] <tritium> right
[02:31] <psychonate> (with an Nvidia card)
[02:31] <abbot45> tritium, its actually a voodoo 3, which is my problem.  all i can find howto's for are nvidia & ati.
[02:32] <DNA`> kubuntu = kde ubuntu?:D
[02:32] <tritium> abbot45, ah, I'm only familiar with nvidia twinview for more recent cards...sorry
[02:32] <crimsun> ev'ning, tritium :)
[02:32] <tritium> good evening, crimsun :)
[02:32] <abbot45> tritium, yeah.  its old as hell
[02:33] <tritium> abbot45, there is a package called "nvtv", but I can't be certain it will work for you
[02:33] <tritium> ah, never mind, different vendor
[02:33] <Scognito> hi all
[02:33] <abbot45> tritium, yeah, nv=nvidia
[02:33] <Scognito> any recomendation before upgrading to breezy?
[02:34] <tritium> abbot45, yeah, sorry ;)
[02:34] <crimsun> Scognito: yeah. Don't.
[02:34] <Scognito> ok :D
[02:34] <psychonate> abbot45: http://www.realh.co.uk/linux_tv_howto/ar01s07.html
[02:34] <abbot45> thanks
[02:34] <Scognito> crimsun, it is much instable then
[02:34] <Quest-Master> DNA`: Yep.
[02:35] <DNA`> :)
[02:35] <psychonate> abbot45: God only knows how new/old that is heh
[02:35] <crimsun> Scognito: it is usable with extreme caution
[02:35] <bigbill52a> anyone know of any drivers for x6150...lexmark
[02:35] <abbot45> psychonate, yeah
[02:35] <abbot45> ill give it a try
[02:35] <Thorrn4> hello all!!
[02:35] <Scognito> i ever used debian sid, dunno if it is much different
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Thorrn4.. are you a member of Spherical?
[02:36] <abbot45> since i just rememberd.  how do i change my x-chat settings so i dont have to be holding down Ctrl to click a link.
[02:36] <Thorrn4> lol....yep Quest-Master
[02:36] <Quest-Master> Thorrn4: Recognize me? ;)
[02:37] <Thorrn4> yep Quest-Master!!!
[02:38] <Quest-Master> :D
[02:38] <Thorrn4> long time no talk!!!
[02:38] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[02:38] <Thorrn4> I havent been on Spherical in awhile
[02:38] <Thorrn4> how have you been Quest-Master?!
[02:38] <Quest-Master> Good, good
[02:38] <Quest-Master> I'll PM you
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol????????????''
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol????????????''
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> cual es el canal de ubuntu en espaol????????????''
[02:39] <tritium> dAniElITO_eL_UNI, #ubuntu-es
[02:39] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> gracias!!
[02:40] <tritium> de nada
[02:40] <jordanau> what is the literal translation of "de nada"
[02:40] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> disculpa.. tritium.. me puedes ayudar a instalar el java..!! :D
[02:40] <tritium> of nothing
[02:40] <jordanau> tritium, thanks
[02:40] <tritium> think more like, "think nothing of it"
[02:40] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> thanks!! :P
[02:40] <psychonate> or "it's nothing"
[02:41] <jordanau> tritium, i took "American Spanish" for 2 years so i dont know alot
[02:41] <tritium> dAniElITO_eL_UNI, si
[02:41] <psychonate> jordanau: I learned it in my Spanish class
[02:41] <tritium> I'm from New Mexico, so I get some practice ;)
[02:41] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> disculpa.. tritium.. me puedes ayudar a instalar el java..!! :D!!!
[02:41] <Thorrn4> wow psychonate
[02:41] <psychonate> Castillano or whatever
[02:42] <dAniElITO_eL_UNI> alguen me puede ayudar a instalar el JAVA!!
[02:42] <psychonate> Thorrn4: what?
[02:42] <jordanau> tritium, can someone help me install java? right?
[02:42] <tritium> jordanau, yep
[02:42] <tritium> jordanau, well, he asked if I can help him
[02:42] <Thorrn4> psychonate, u beening in a Spanish class....and learning something
[02:42] <jordanau> tritium, roughly i just recognized a couple of verbs and but 2 and 2 together
[02:43] <tritium> :)
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> has anybody a solution for me to fix : COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> camserv 6398 nobody  mem    CHR   81,0      6333 /dev/video0
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> camserv 6398 nobody    5r   CHR   81,0      6333 /dev/video0
[02:43] <bob2> dAniElITO_eL_UNI: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:43] <jordanau> tritium, or shall we say dos y dos... :)
[02:43] <psychonate> Thorrn4: You don't have to be a dickhead. I was merely contrasting what was taught to us with what was taught to them.
[02:43] <bob_> does anyone have any experience with Kylix, specifically problems with fonts
[02:43] <tritium> jordanau, ;)
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> has anybody a solution for me to fix this : Processing thread 0 - config file /etc/motion/motion.conf
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> Thread0 device: /dev/video0 input: 8
[02:43] <CATLI_NL> Failed to open video device /dev/video0
[02:43] <Scognito> crimsun, is breezy much more unstable than sid?
[02:44] <BrettMeister> Here's an easier question than some of these: What do you think is the best CD burning program for use in Gnome?
[02:44] <jordanau> BrettMeister, gnome baker
[02:44] <bretzel> bob_: yes, I do have that probs with unreadable fonts ( v=too much little )
[02:44] <bob2> that's uselessly subjective
[02:44] <Thorrn4> psychonate, what do u mean by "them"? dont think that u r better....nevermind....forget it
[02:44] <anethema> BrettMeister, gnomebaker
[02:44] <tritium> BrettMeister, there is also graveman
[02:44] <bob2> if nautilus doesn't do what you want, then start looking
[02:44] <jordanau> BrettMeister, although it isn't exaclty without bugs
[02:45] <psychonate> Thorrn4: I don't know where you get this idea of "better" or worse...
[02:45] <BrettMeister> jordanau, I just installed, so I'm unfamiliar with what's already there.  Is gnomebaker already installed?
[02:45] <crimsun> Scognito: a few major things are in flux
[02:45] <psychonate> Thorrn4: I was implying neither
[02:45] <BrettMeister> jordanau, Is gnomebaker as stable and MD5-compatible as K3b?
[02:45] <jordanau> Thorrn4, since the word "them" is so derogatory
[02:45] <Scognito> what do you mean crimsun ?
[02:45] <anethema> well, k3b is good if you already have all the kde libs installe
[02:45] <anethema> d
[02:46] <Thorrn4> thanks for backing me up jordanau
[02:46] <Rymastah> ey
[02:46] <Rymastah> my friend has a problem
[02:46] <jordanau> Thorrn4, that was sarcasm
[02:46] <BrettMeister> anethema, Thanks for the response.
[02:46] <Rymastah> His live cd wont boot up on his mac
[02:46] <anethema> np
[02:46] <Thorrn4> so was that jordanau
[02:46] <Rymastah> It just loads into Osx
[02:46] <jordanau> Thorrn4, well so is this
[02:46] <bob2> Rymastah: does he/she know how to boot cds on mac?
[02:46] <psychonate> by "them," I meant the other kids that learned with jordanau
[02:46] <bretzel> bob_:  ? Can;t accept your request: DDC chat not doing anything ( bug in xchat ? )
[02:46] <bob2> Rymastah: ie, can he/she boot another one ok
[02:46] <jordanau> Thorrn4, i dont know what that means...
[02:46] <bob2> ?
[02:47] <Rymastah> Nope
[02:47] <tritium> Rydekull, hold the "c" key while booting
[02:47] <Rymastah> That didnt work
[02:47] <tritium> Rymastah, ^^^
[02:47] <jordanau> BrettMeister, i dont know
[02:47] <bob_> bretzel,  have you been able to get kylix up and running without it crashing?
[02:47] <Rymastah> He tried holding c down
[02:47] <bob2> Rymastah: then the problem is probably just with your friend not following the instructions
[02:47] <jordanau> BrettMeister, i do know that it is slow as hell at decoding mp3's
[02:47] <bob2> Rymastah: you have to hold down c before the boing
[02:47] <bretzel> Yes. But unusable because of the too tiny fonts in the GUI ...
[02:48] <Rymastah> ok, so run me through it so I can tell him
[02:48] <brosio> every time i try to run an mp3 with noatun it crashes, other sounds works good, xmms works good any could help ?
[02:48] <bob2> brosio: #kubuntu
[02:48] <bretzel> bob_: Yes. But unusable because of the too tiny fonts in the GUI ...
[02:48] <bob_> yes,  I've had that problem,  even tried changing font to sans serif 10 without any luck
[02:48] <BrettMeister> jordanau, I have used K3b a lot for ISOs and it sure is great with getting and checking the disk for MD5 compliance.  I was just wondering if there was a program native to Gnome that does the same.
[02:49] <bretzel> bob_: Me too I've tried to change the GUI fonts without success
[02:49] <bretzel> bob_ it is really a BIG joke!
[02:49] <Rymastah> Okay, heres right here
[02:49] <Rymastah> Its still loading in mac os x
[02:49] <bob_> it's too bad,  I've used delphi a lot and I would like to try kylix
[02:50] <BrettMeister> bob2, I just left Kubuntu because of crashes and collosal screws when trying anything to do with sound.
[02:50] <bretzel> bob_: I hope it isn't intentional
[02:50] <bob2> BrettMeister: ok
[02:50] <bob_> no,  it is linux related problem
[02:50] <shido6> does anyone have the original 9800 all in wonder cd?
[02:50] <psychonate> eh, why?
[02:51] <flex_> anyone know why I cant see files on my /chroot/media/cdrom0
[02:51] <flex_> its in fstab and I made the dir
[02:51] <flex_> as soon as I exit i can see files again
[02:51] <bob_> perhaps you can help me then, re: programming in linux.  Should I use gnome or kde, and what language, compiler, or ide would let me develop gui apps quite readily
[02:52] <bob_> there seem to be so many options
[02:52] <jordanau> BrettMeister, it will burn an iso, you will have to do md5 on your own
[02:52] <Quest-Master> bob_, that's what makes Linux so awesome
[02:52] <jordanau> FLeiXiuS, mount -a
[02:52] <jordanau> flex_, mount -a
[02:52] <bob_> indeed,  however, it makes it a bit confusing to make the initial decisions
[02:52] <Quest-Master> bob_: I'd advise Python and wxPython for GUI apps
[02:52] <FLeiXiuS> :=P
[02:53] <Quest-Master> bob_, use wxGlade to produce the GUIs
[02:53] <jordanau> flex_, nevermind, i didnt read your question right
[02:53] <Quest-Master> bob_: And use gedit or Quanta to produce the code, and you're set. ;)
[02:53] <Rymastah> ok, so it still runs in mac os 10!
[02:53] <Rymastah> weir
[02:53] <Rymastah> d
[02:53] <Rymastah> even when he holds down the c key
[02:53] <bob_> thank you for that advice,  I'd been considering that
[02:53] <bob2> Rymastah: he's holding it down at the wrong time
[02:53] <psychonate> flex_: Do you need to do 'source /etc/profile' after chrooting or something?
[02:53] <bob2> Rymastah: get out the manual
[02:53] <Rymastah> So when exactly does he hold it down?
[02:53] <bob_> however, coming from a c++ and delphi background,  it means a new learning curve too
[02:53] <flex_> psychonate, I dont know what that would do
[02:54] <Quest-Master> bob_: Why not Kylix then?
[02:54] <bob_> I'm having trouble getting kylix to run properly,  it hangs, and there is a font problem
[02:54] <Quest-Master> :( It works prefectly for most people on the forums
[02:55] <Rymastah> so when does he hold it down?
[02:55] <bob2> get him to read the manual
[02:55] <bob2> or google
[02:55] <bob2> this is readily avilable informationm
[02:55] <bob2> also, I told you already
[02:55] <JoshRA> crimsun: it is installed
[02:56] <crimsun> JoshRA: and which display manager are you using?
[02:56] <JoshRA> it was beand what do you mean slected on login
[02:56] <JoshRA> i was useing gnome
[02:56] <JoshRA> now kde
[02:57] <JoshRA> i mainly am cioncerned with the termal
[02:57] <JoshRA> terminal since i use irssi
[02:57] <JoshRA> the default encode does not show symbols correctlys
[02:57] <crimsun> JoshRA: konsole or gnome-terminal?
[02:57] <JoshRA> ie degrees the pound or euro sign
[02:57] <|QuaD-_> my system is running sluggishly
[02:57] <JoshRA> samne iussues ith both but i uyse the respective in each
[02:58] <crimsun> JoshRA: use the menu to choose the correct encoding
[02:58] <Rymastah> what manual do i search for?
[02:58] <JoshRA> i have
[02:58] <Rymastah> the ubuntu manual?
[02:58] <JoshRA> how do i default it
[02:58] <crimsun> JoshRA: use the preferences
[02:59] <stuNNed> crimsun: hi, is it normal behaviour that is i save something to the Desktop folder it doesn't show up on the desktop unless i refresh that folder in Nautilus?
[02:59] <occy> if anyone has a moment:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=162683#post162683   <-- remote printing
[02:59] <JoshRA> crimsun: i did that but! it does not default
[03:00] <crimsun> stuNNed: I suppose that depends on the backend, which depends whether dnotify or inotify is used
[03:00] <stuNNed> crimsun: which do you use?
[03:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: I use inotify, because I'm using a pre-2.6.12
[03:01] <tirian> I'm trying to make text files open with gvim via Nautilus. However I keep getting a "Could not add application to the application database" error.
[03:01] <tirian> Any ideas? I tried Google, but to no avail...
[03:01] <stuNNed> crimsun: so any previous uses dnotify?
[03:02] <crimsun> stuNNed: Hoary's kernel does
[03:02] <crimsun> (and presently, so does Breezy's)
[03:03] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: i thought they use inotify?
[03:04] <oneleaf_> I'm admin of ubuntu.org.cn . I mirror cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu by rsync.but some file can't down, why?
[03:04] <DNA`> so when was the first release released?:] 
[03:04] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: inotify is disabled by default.
[03:04] <stuNNed> crimsun: odd, using gtk's file save dialogue 90% of the time if i save a file to teh Desktop it doesn't show up unless i refresh in Nautilus
[03:04] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: ok
[03:04] <crimsun> stuNNed: my hunch is that dnotify+gamin are to blame
[03:05] <stuNNed> crimsun: oh, how to get rid of them?  this is an upgrade from Warty...
[03:05] <bob2>  gamin is still using dnotify?
[03:05] <crimsun> stuNNed: you don't have any choice currently
[03:05] <Thorrn4> I have a quick question...If I change my video card...what do I have to do when it boots up? will it auto-detect it?
[03:05] <stuNNed> crimsun: can i go back to fam or is that a bad idea as well?
[03:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: is a shame i'll just have to refresh nautilus to see what's on desktop w/out killing nautilus
[03:06] <crimsun> bob2: it uses poll since inotify method is broken
[03:06] <bob2> crimsun: even in  hoary?
[03:06] <darkaudit> Thorrn4: is it the same type?
[03:06] <bob2> dang
[03:06] <crimsun> stuNNed: bad idea to go back
[03:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok then, dangit
[03:07] <stuNNed> crimsun: should i file a bug, upgrade to breezy, or just wait?
[03:07] <crimsun> stuNNed: check bugzilla, certainly, but it's a better idea to wait
[03:07] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok, dangit
[03:10] <desrt> so how's the ppc64 port coming, guys? :)
[03:14] <jedipottsy> in kde how do i get the multiple desktop thing back?
[03:14] <jedipottsy> ive lost it, and i dont know how to switch desktops
[03:15] <desrt> probably right click on a panel and 'add to panel' or something?
[03:15] <desrt> it will probably be called "pager" or "workspace switcher" or similar
[03:15] <sir-gold> its pager
[03:15] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, add a workspace switcher via right click
[03:15] <jedipottsy> linuxboy, how?
[03:16] <jedipottsy> LinuxJones, how/
[03:16] <sir-gold> there is a kubuntu channel for this stuff...
[03:17] <sir-gold> i run kubuntu, but my laptop is currently clocking on a libc6 update, so i can't look it up
[03:17] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, right click the panel and select add
[03:18] <sir-gold> why does locales take so long to update
[03:21] <thully> Can somebody tell me why backports are considered hazardous to your (system's) health?
[03:21] <robbie> are they?
[03:21] <tritium> yes, they are
[03:22] <tritium> thully: for one, they make upgrading to new releases a pain
[03:22] <LinuxJones> thully, because they are not standard Ubuntu packages. The backport software might caue problems when you want to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu.
[03:22] <thully> as I've seen some bug fixes only available as backports - Firefox, for instance, along with netapplet, have bugs that are only fixed through backports
[03:23] <tritium> netapplet is a universe package, and should be fixed by a universe maintainer, not backports
[03:23] <thully> For instance: Ubuntu's firefox is at 1.0.2, which still has security holes - you have to download a backport to get the fixes
[03:23] <jedipottsy> where is workspace switcher
[03:23] <tritium> the security fixes in 1.0.3 were patched into ubuntu's 1.0.2
[03:24] <darkaudit> backports just had an update for firestarter...
[03:24] <jedipottsy> i go right click add
[03:24] <jedipottsy> but i cant find workspace switcher
[03:24] <thully> All of them?  I was under the impression that there were still unfixed issues...
[03:24] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, your running kubuntu ?
[03:24] <jedipottsy> ye
[03:24] <tritium> jedipottsy: perhaps ask in #kubuntu
[03:24] <jedipottsy> #kununtu
[03:25] <jedipottsy> ok
[03:25] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy, ask in #kubuntu they know all of that kde stuff :)
[03:25] <thully> It sounds like netapplet isn't going to be updated, as all the fixes come in a new upstream version (1.0 versus 0.99)
[03:26] <jedipottsy> ok ne1 know why mozilla just shuts down for no reason when i try to access sites like driverheaven.net?
[03:28] <thully> It would be nice if major bug fixes that require a new upstream version of something were available in official Ubuntu repositories (they could go in ubuntu-updates, so those who don't want these could leave it out of sources.list)
[03:28] <darkaudit> this bug was fixed upstream, but is still showing pending upload: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[03:29] <thully> I sometimes feel like I *need* backports, especially in the case of netapplet and other universe apps that aren't updated..
[03:30] <tritium> thully: did you request a fix for netapplet?  there are MOTUs you can ask, or you can file a bug on malone
[03:31] <thully> what is malone
[03:31] <tritium> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:31] <thully> I think I asked about netapplet - since it needs a new upstream version for a fix, it sounds like this is being done in Breezy only
[03:36] <rixth> How does one execute a .jar file?
[03:36] <crimsun> java -jar foo.jar
[03:37] <rixth> Thanks
[03:37] <sbcl3__> does anyone know how to get the ems-usb2 working in linux (its a piece of gaming hardware)?
[03:38] <occy> What username and pass do I use at:  http://localhost:631/  for printing stuff with CUPS.
[03:38] <occy> My user / pass doesn't work.
[03:39] <occy> someone said I needed root's pass
[03:39] <occy> heh
[03:39] <occy> we don't have a root pass set
[03:39] <crimsun> are you using the print manager tool?
[03:39] <occy> crimsun, trying to.
[03:40] <occy> err
[03:40] <occy> crimsun, just trying to get printing to work remotely.
[03:40] <occy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:40] <thully> on another note, has anyone else found the default fonts in firefox to be huge?
[03:40] <tritium> occy: you have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf in order to enable what you're trying to do
[03:40] <occy> tritium, can you check that post bud?
[03:40] <occy> tritium, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:41] <occy> tritium, it shows what I've done.  Which is edit the file you just mention.
[03:41] <tuppa> gah
[03:42] <tuppa> stupid emu10k1 in alsa
[03:42] <Razor-X> hey
[03:42] <ThomasWinwood> I need higher-resolution icons. Preferably 192x192 or 128x128.
[03:42] <g14> Does anyone know the directory where synaptic / apt store the deb files they dl
[03:43] <tritium> /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:43] <Razor-X> if NTFSResize claims it can resize fragmented partitions, why does it only find 400 MB free of my NTFS partition, when it has 10 GB free, it's been defragmented, but the space hasn't been consolidated
[03:43] <tritium> occy: I've never done what you're trying to do.  I just use gnome's print configurator
[03:44] <occy> tritium, it doesn't work for me.
[03:44] <occy> tritium, the gnome print tool.
[03:44] <occy> I've tried the "Global settings - Detect LAN Printers"
[03:44] <occy> but it never shows anything
[03:45] <LinuxJones> occy, what kind of printer do you have ?
[03:45] <Razor-X> damned NTFSResize >_<
[03:45] <occy> LinuxJones, the post I put above has all the gory details.  but its' an HP 1100A  LaserJet.  quite common.
[03:45] <occy> LinuxJones, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:46] <LinuxJones> occy, install cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[03:46] <g14> tritium: Thanks, I was afraid thats what you would say. I guess it gets cleared out every so often
[03:46] <LinuxJones> occy, argh sorry don't
[03:47] <occy> LinuxJones, hehehe ok.
[03:47] <tritium> g14: apt-get and aptitude don't clear it unless you make them.  I don't use synaptic, so I'm not sure if that does or not.
[03:48] <occy> We aren't quite "Grandma Friendly" yet.  But dangit, we are getting there fast.
[03:48] <occy> little things getting fixed here and there will really put the spit and polish on Ubuntu.
[03:49] <DonL> I think it's awesome
[03:49] <dantheman> has anyone upgraded to firefox 1.1 yet?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> occy, there might be some help here >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/40707 ... sorry I don't have a HP printer I use Epson :)
[03:50] <occy> LinuxJones, printer type shouldn't really matter.
[03:50] <DonL> dantheman, no, not yet
[03:50] <occy> but thanks
[03:50] <LinuxJones> occy, it's a postscript printer ?
[03:50] <dantheman> DonL: when it comes out, how will i be able to upgrade?
[03:50] <occy> LinuxJones, it prints locally fine.
[03:50] <occy> heh
[03:50] <LinuxJones> occy, wtf...what's ur problem again ? :)
[03:50] <occy> LinuxJones, guess you didn't read the Forum post I pasted to you. :P~   :)    http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:51] <LinuxJones> occy, that's too easy :)
[03:51] <DonL> dantheman, sorry, don't know. Wait till Ubuntu offers the upgrade would be the smartest thing
[03:51] <tritium> occy: have you read: file:///usr/share/doc/cupsys/online-docs/sam.html#FAQ ?
[03:52] <LinuxJones> occy, did you re-start the cups service after configuring ?
[03:52] <occy> tritium, that doesn't stand out like a sore thumb anywhere, but I'll sure as heck RTFD it.
[03:52] <occy> ;)
[03:52] <occy> LinuxJones, yup.  but of course Mister.
[03:53] <LinuxJones> occy, you can ping the machine connected to the printer for the client ?
[03:53] <LinuxJones> *from
[03:53] <aardvark> someone plse help
[03:53] <aardvark> tried to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:54] <occy> LinuxJones, heh, yes, I sure can.  I stated that clearly here:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=162683&postcount=6
[03:54] <occy> LinuxJones, :P~~~ :)
[03:54] <aardvark> but I get the "The following packages have been kept back:" message
[03:54] <tritium> occy: okay, just in case you're not aware, all package store their docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> -- this is always a good place to start looking
[03:54] <LinuxJones> occy, lol
[03:54] <occy> LinuxJones, ;)
[03:54] <aardvark> how do I find out why these packages are being held back
[03:55] <princedimond> server irc.rizon.net
[03:55] <occy> tritium, yah... not quite "Grandma Friendly"  but thanks.  I will try and remember that.
[03:55] <ThomasWinwood> aardvark: They haven't come out of the closet yet.
[03:55] <occy> tritium, I've used Linux since 96' but seem to be perpetually stuck in "end-user" land.
[03:55] <occy> hehe
[03:55] <aardvark> ThomasWinwood, thanks but.....er
[03:55] <ThomasWinwood> You'll need to wait for their counselling to finish.
[03:55] <aardvark> I am trying to upg from Warty to Hoary
[03:56] <aardvark> any experts out there ?
[03:56] <DonL> aardvark, I did it, but I followed the Ubuntu Wiki
[03:56] <helio7> My system locks up and crashes at least once a day, where hitting the reset button is the only remedy; sometimes it only crashes to gdm and forces me to log in again; does this sound like a kernel crash or an X crash?  I can disable nvidia drivers to test if it's something to do with that right?
[03:57] <JDahl> aardvark, I am not an expert... but then upgrading from warty to hoary doesnt take one: replace occurences with "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/sources.list, run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:57] <JDahl> aardvark, /etc/apt/sources.list, that is
[03:57] <arvan> hi all
[03:57] <aardvark> JDahl, thats exactly what I did, but I get "The following packages have been kept back"
[03:57] <DNA`> warty is such a beautiful name :D
[03:58] <DonL> aardvark, did you add some repositories, like backport?
[03:58] <DonL> .. in Warty I mean
[03:58] <arvan> I've got a question on alsa/esd & games sound...can I ask?
[03:59] <helio7> arvan never ask to ask
[03:59] <tritium> arvan: you're always welcome to ask
[03:59] <arvan> ok
[03:59] <arvan> my sound is working for things like 'alsamixer' and gnome-system sounds, xmms...
[03:59] <helio7> yeah tritium says it nicer :-P
[04:00] <tritium> helio7: I would say your idea is a good one.  Test the "nv" driver rather than the "nvidia" one, to see if that's causing you problems.
[04:00] <helio7> thanks
[04:00] <arvan> but it isn't working for tuxracer or bzflag, frozen bubble
[04:00] <arvan> any ideas where to look?  I think permission, but not sure
[04:00] <helio7> arvan I always killesd before tuxracer
[04:00] <JDahl> arvan, does fuser /dev/dsp tell you something?
[04:01] <arvan> wait...I'll ask
[04:01] <helio7> my fuser /dev/dsp says 16020
[04:01] <JDahl> arvan, if some processes are locking /dev/dsp, fuser would tell you
[04:01] <arvan> mine says /dev/dsp:            12884
[04:02] <Razor-X> again, does anyone have any info on NTFSResize?
[04:02] <JDahl> arvan, the brutish approach is to run "fuser -k /dev/dsp", then run the other apps
[04:02] <tritium> Razor-X: other than that your mileage may vary, and that it's somewhat risky?
[04:02] <arvan> JDahl...is that a one time deal or every time?
[04:02] <helio7> JDahl you could edit that line into the launcher tab though with a semi-colon correct?
[04:02] <Razor-X> tritium: well, the page says that the newer versions can resize fragmented partitions
[04:03] <helio7> ie "fuser -k /dev/dsp; /usr/games/tuxracer"
[04:03] <Razor-X> I defragmented the partition, but not to the point where the disk-space was consolidated
[04:03] <Razor-X> *free disk-space
[04:03] <JDahl> arvan, that would kill the app that's locking /dev/dsp (likely gnome sound server), and you need to run it every time (or disable gnome sound server at startup)
[04:03] <Moo> hi
[04:03] <Razor-X> and, it could only find 400 MB free, when I actually have 10 GB free on that partition
[04:03] <Moo> I changed video cards and now ubuntu can't detect it.
[04:03] <arvan> ok...so when I finish the bzflag, will I have no gnome sound?
[04:04] <JDahl> arvan, yup...
[04:04] <sir-gold> moo, so the gui is all screwy looking?
[04:04] <JDahl> arvan, (unless they fixed the sharing problems)
[04:04] <Moo> sir-gold, no gui :(
[04:04] <helio7> i usually just killesd then play ; if i need sound again i type esd
[04:04] <sir-gold> Moo are you at a text login prompt?
[04:04] <arvan> hmm....I've had them both working together in other distros...any other ideas?
[04:04] <Moo> sir-gold, yes
[04:05] <arvan> like...should I recompile the kernel?
[04:05] <tritium> no
[04:05] <sir-gold> Moo ok, log in and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:05] <Moo> do I have to login as root?
[04:05] <sir-gold> yes
[04:05] <Moo> shit
[04:05] <aardvark> sudo su -
[04:05] <sir-gold> i think
[04:06] <sir-gold> yeah sudo
[04:06] <Moo> i don't remember the password
[04:06] <arvan> is this an issue of the 2.6 alsa (internal) v. the alsa (external)?
[04:06] <aardvark> Moo, sudo su -
[04:06] <tritium> Moo: sudo -i
[04:06] <Moo> o.o
[04:06] <sir-gold> with sudo you use your user password
[04:06] <Moo> which one?
[04:06] <Moo> oh!
[04:06] <Moo> nice
[04:06] <Moo> ok
[04:06] <aardvark> Moo, your login
[04:07] <Nalioth> woohoo! i'm back
[04:07] <sir-gold> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:07] <Razor-X> is there a good, free, NTFS defragmenter out there?
[04:08] <sir-gold> when it asks for a password, use your user password
[04:08] <Moo> ok
[04:08] <Moo> thanks
[04:08] <DonL> Bye for now
[04:08] <aardvark> Bye
[04:08] <Nalioth> Razor-X, you mean for linux?  :P
[04:08] <Razor-X> err, sorry, for Windows
[04:08] <Razor-X> ;-P
[04:08] <Razor-X> should've specified that
[04:08] <Razor-X> stupid NTFSResize people -_-
[04:09] <tritium> Razor-X: ?
[04:10] <helio7> arvan listening to you with the sound problem inspired me to work on my same issue; I created a script that has 3 lines "1st: killall esd 2nd: tuxracer 3rd:esd" and pointed the tuxracer launcher to that shellscript;  I verified that it re-launches esd when I close the game
[04:11] <helio7> I realize it's not elegant, but it's enough for me that it works;
[04:12] <Razor-X> tritium: NTFSResize claims they can resize even fragmented partitions, I defragmented mine, but just because the free space wasn't consolidated, it would'nt find all the free-space on the drive
[04:12] <Razor-X> not even a semi-substantial amount
[04:12] <tritium> Razor-X, yes, I recall
[04:12] <Razor-X> and, I don't think Windows Defragmenter can do that
[04:14] <sir-gold> diskkeeper can defrag everything, including the swap file
[04:15] <sir-gold> diskeeper
[04:16] <Razor-X> sir-gold: ahh, that's what i'm thiking of doing
[04:16] <Razor-X> just started fiddling with it
[04:17] <Razor-X> insofar, the boot-time defrag's weren't working, but that was because of Zone Alarm Pro
[04:17] <Razor-X> so, i'm gonna try and do it on next reboot
[04:18] <holycow> its funny to read #ubuntu-fr and read irc shorthand like lol
[04:18] <SQL_Sam> hey all!
[04:19] <Razor-X> holycow: lol was AOL Speak, if I recall
[04:19] <Razor-X> that's why I never use it ;-P
[04:19] <Razor-X> that, and heh is much easier to type
[04:19] <holycow> and it has linguistic connection
[04:19] <holycow> not sure what lol translates to in french :)
[04:20] <Razor-X> it doesen't
[04:20] <Razor-X> as far as I know French, it doesen't
[04:20] <Razor-X> hell, i'm doing a report in French now ;-P
[04:20] <SQL_Sam> got a question - how do i chmod a folder to let it be read & writable? - its my  web php folder and I'm trying to create files in it through php.
[04:20] <holycow> Razor-X, hehe :)
[04:21] <drcode> is there any option to check on disk what file or dir is the biggest one , I Learn that its possible by grep, is there command or app that can do it?
[04:21] <holycow> there is a command, but i can't remember it, maybe google can?
[04:21] <helio7> SQL_Sam: chmod 777 gives everyone read/write/execute power
[04:21] <Razor-X> SQL_Sam: chmod 777 xxx
[04:21] <holycow> at least you know one exists :)
[04:21] <SQL_Sam> helio7, thanks!
[04:22] <Razor-X> google up installing SQL scripts, and you'll find a nice Chmod tutorial ;-P
[04:22] <SQL_Sam> Razor-X, thanks!
[04:22] <Razor-X> xxx is the file, by the way
[04:22] <Razor-X> better than the man file, anyways
[04:22] <SQL_Sam> lol - yah i got that part ;-)
[04:22] <Razor-X> chmod was the hardest to learn command by far
[04:22] <SQL_Sam> i read the man pages but it confused me more
[04:22] <Razor-X> the man for that command sucks ****
[04:23] <drcode> if there was software in linux that helped to easy setup like hebrew put and other, I think ms can kick out of the market
[04:23] <drcode> I start with linux as newbiew and now I only have linux at home and office
[04:24] <holycow> drcode, :) welcome
[04:24] <holycow> how long have you been using it?
[04:24] <Razor-X> I started with linux with only BASH
[04:24] <holycow> me too, i also don't use windows
[04:24] <Razor-X> I _tried_ to get X to install
[04:24] <SQL_Sam> drcode, i wish i could - i work in a ms shop
[04:24] <Razor-X> but, it was being a total bitch
[04:24] <bob_> re: Python ?  Is compiled python fast,  can it be used for games?
[04:24] <Razor-X> and, in the meantime, I started learning BASH
[04:24] <Razor-X> bob_: Python is interpreted
[04:25] <Razor-X> and, it can be used for games
[04:25] <drcode> I think that linux only missing is gui for setup easy most of the things , and pepole will start useing it
[04:25] <holycow> bob2, yes and no, pygame.org should give you some idea
[04:25] <thechitowncubs_> can xchat handle dcc?
[04:25] <bob_> tks
[04:25] <holycow> you wont be doing 3d t ypes of games but you can do a lot of simpler games
[04:25] <drcode> I also setup wine , but I hope it will support more games .
[04:25] <holycow> python is used a lot in games as *glue* for various components too
[04:25] <Razor-X> drcode: never doubt the power of an idiotc standard
[04:25] <tritium> thechitowncubs, yes
[04:25] <thechitowncubs_> drcode: cedega works great
[04:26] <Razor-X> Linux is to the OS word as Dvorak is to the keyboard world
[04:26] <iluciv> Hi I'm trying to repair a broken package (nvidia-glx) but I can't seem to. I've cleaned, repaired, checked, uninstalled, forced the apt-get command but it still responding with the same terminal response if I post the read out (10 lines; 2 lines @ a time can someone have a lokk and see if they can see what I'm doing worng??)
[04:26] <thechitowncubs_> ok, thanks
[04:26] <drcode> but cedage cost money
[04:26] <holycow> drcode, actually linux has easy gui setup, its called dpkg/apt/synaptic
[04:26] <holycow> it guarantees a single standard and uniformity
[04:26] <drcode> I am talking on opensource pure
[04:26] <holycow> its up to the rest of the world ot use it
[04:26] <Razor-X> just like QWERTY
[04:26] <bob_> ubuntu is amazing,  best thing I've seen since cpm
[04:26] <SQL_Sam> lol okay i did the chmod what is the command to see that the folder changed?
[04:26] <Razor-X> an idiotic standard ;-P
[04:26] <drcode> also setup wine or cedage is not easy if U are realy new in liunx env.
[04:27] <iluciv> Unpacking nvidia-glx (from .../nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[04:27] <iluciv> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[04:27] <drcode> spicial if U come from windows
[04:27] <holycow> drcode, what you usuallyu find tho is that people refuse to standardize, everyone wants their own gui installer, so you get the shit that windows has ... in other words let's hope for windows stuff to make ithere :)
[04:27] <SQL_Sam> I have a question about wine?
[04:27] <digitalfox|slp> drcode, it's not badunder ubuntu by default it seems
[04:27] <iluciv> thats the problem isn't it
[04:27] <musashi> ls -l foldername
[04:27] <SQL_Sam> if I have a home network where the other pc has XP on it can i use wine to connect and use stuff on it?
[04:27] <iluciv> dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:27] <tritium> iluciv, why do you have both nvidia-glx and fglrx on the same system?
[04:28] <drcode> I think that if on;y there was gui that helped for east use , like nvidia setting , wine and so it can bet out ms
[04:28] <Razor-X> well, there's one thing about Windows that not many people in the Linux world admit
[04:28] <iluciv> thats what I thought! I had an ati card but I'm sure I've uninstalled the drivers
[04:28] <Razor-X> Windows OSs are small, for the amount of device support they offer
[04:28] <drcode> I think thats what missing in windows
[04:28] <JDahl> SQL_Sam, yes, if you setup samba and share your c:\windows folder
[04:28] <tritium> iluciv, no, your error indicates that you still have fglrx stuff
[04:29] <newitailuve> totem doesn't let me resize subtitles, anybody know a movie player that does? so i watch a flick as i go to sleep now :D
[04:29] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, hardware support costs very little space in Linux
[04:29] <bob_> samba:  if windoze is on hda1 it doesnt seem to see it,  it finds hda2
[04:29] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, and Windows 9x has very very very little hardware support by default
[04:29] <Razor-X> digitalfox|slp: still, I think that Windows size is really nice
[04:29] <iluciv> tritium: How can I check
[04:29] <Razor-X> Linux is definitely getting better in that alley
[04:29] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -l | grep fglrx
[04:29] <drcode> I had to ask here and other channel and forum to know things , it took time , but at the end all workd, if there where appliction in gui that can be multi platform and give easy help , then ms can get out of the market
[04:29] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, it doesn't come with half the stuff that Ubuntu does, and a Ubuntu install is tiny
[04:29] <SQL_Sam> JDahl, i have it set up so that my windows can see and share my linux (file share)
[04:30] <Razor-X> but, just a couple years back, effective distros were behemoths
[04:30] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, yes, because "every one needed a compiler"
[04:30] <Razor-X> yeah, Ubuntu is definitely the new standard of small in Linux
[04:30] <SQL_Sam> JDahl, but i dont have it sep up the other way around yet
[04:30] <JDahl> SQL_Sam, that's a problem, of course
[04:30] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, and actually if you selectivelly install RedHat packages, it's not bad. At all.
[04:30] <Razor-X> i'm amazed at the (prophessed) power in 1.5 GB
[04:30] <SQL_Sam> JDahl, I think I need to install sambafs - it I recall
[04:31] <Razor-X> I haven't installed it yet, so I'll remove the prophessed then ;-P
[04:31] <nat_> oi vey, it took forever to get online.  im connecting through a shared connection on a windows machine
[04:31] <Razor-X> which i'm gonna do as soon as possible
[04:31] <Razor-X> if this weekend I can resize the NTFS, and then fdisk /mbr
[04:31] <Razor-X> I can set it to install on a weekday
[04:31] <drcode> ubuntu come with other borwser accept firefox?
[04:31] <JDahl> SQL_Sam, I dont use Samba much, but I would think installing samba via aptitude should cover additional dependencies
[04:32] <drcode> I Need to put new hdd in my linux
[04:32] <drcode> can I do copy of one hdd into other bigger one and then load the linux from there?
[04:32] <iluciv> tritium: whats that meant to do it just went to a new terminal line?
[04:32] <digitalfox|slp> windows 98 requires 200 or so for the OS alone without apps if memory serves.
[04:32] <digitalfox|slp> 200 MB* or so
[04:32] <BrettMeister> When an application is frozen like XMMS is right now, is there some way in gnome to force it to quit?
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> Ubuntu is 800 MB "out of the box" I think... correct me if I'm wrong
[04:33] <Razor-X> digitalfox|slp: a bit less, but, yeah, that's about right
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> and it has tons of stuff
[04:33] <musashi> Epiphany browser
[04:33] <Razor-X> digitalfox|slp: isn't it 1.5 GB?
[04:33] <nat_> 1.8 gb recommended
[04:33] <Razor-X> once installed?
[04:33] <JDahl> BrettMeister, xkill?
[04:33] <tritium> iluciv, look for fglrx packages.  try this first: export COLUMNS=200, and then run the previous command again
[04:33] <squareff> anybody ever tried "rsync -P <ftp...::final.iso> <local/beta.iso>"? did it work?
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> Razor-X, it seemed smaller to me
[04:33] <BrettMeister> I would really appreciate the help.  I've been getting screwed by sound and music issues all day..... :-(
[04:33] <Razor-X> everyone here has told me it's 1.5 GB
[04:33] <BrettMeister> JDahl, I'll try that.  Thanks.
[04:33] <digitalfox|slp> my install on my desktop is 2 GB, and I've already installed tons of stuff, including GCC and some dev libraries, which take up tons of space.
[04:33] <Razor-X> that's why i've cordoned off a nice 5.5 GB for it (.5 for Swap)
[04:34] <nat_> one question, if I am connected enough to be here, are there any good reasons Synaptic still gives me errors trying to connect?
[04:34] <digitalfox|slp> I remember it was around the 1 GB mark when I checked :)
[04:34] <BrettMeister> JDahl, Would I do that from the terminal?  Yes?
[04:34] <musashi> gnome applet called force quit
[04:34] <iluciv> tritium: ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                            6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11                       Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[04:35] <JDahl> BrettMeister, yes
[04:35] <tritium> iluciv, yep
[04:35] <BrettMeister> musashi, Thanks.  Is it in a drop-down menu?
[04:35] <squareff> [retrying]  anybody ever tried "rsync -P <ftp...::final.iso> <local/beta.iso>"? did it work?
[04:35] <tritium> iluciv, if you have nvidia, you don't need that
[04:35] <musashi> right click on panel>add to panel
[04:35] <iluciv> tritium: so I can apt-get remove that first
[04:36] <tritium> iluciv, yes, in fact apt-get remove --purge it to be safe
[04:36] <iluciv> tritium: and that should allow nvidia-glx install??
[04:36] <tritium> iluciv, it should, yes
[04:37] <Moo> sir-gold, It works ;] 
[04:39] <iluciv> tritium: do I have to refesh something or restart because its giving the same error
[04:39] <tritium> iluciv, did it remove the fglrx package?
[04:41] <Razor-X> how long do you people estimate it'll take to resize a 40 GB NTFS partition?
[04:43] <iluciv> tritium: no sorry it hadn't I had nvidia-glx-dev there as well causing a problem I removed that and the fglrx package removed as well thanks heaps
[04:43] <tritium> iluciv, no problem
[04:44] <jabular> Razor-X: A lot longer than it will take to zap windows and use it all for linux! ;)
[04:46] <Razor-X> jabular: not an option
[04:49] <Levande1> What is the advantage of running identd when you are using an IRC client?
[04:49] <JDahl> off-topic, but a pad on the shoulder for ubuntu devs: my 63 year old father (who is not good at computers and only used Windows) recently visited me for a few weeks from Europe, and managed to use Ubuntu for emails, transfering pictures from his digital camera, and other everyday things without asking me a single question (I was at work at the time)
[04:50] <bob__> gnome vs kde?  ubuntu defaults to using gnome.  Is gnome better than kde,  easier to program?  Any comments appreciated.  tia
[04:50] <Razor-X> I prefer KDE
[04:50] <Razor-X> it just... seems more intuitive to me
[04:50] <Razor-X> and XFce
[04:51] <flodine> hello ubuntu folks
[04:51] <bob__> I've used both on ubuntu,  just wondering if it is easier to write programs with gnome or kde api's
[04:51] <Burgundavia> DE holy wars are not permitted in this channel
[04:51] <flodine> what the hell is happening
[04:51] <Razor-X> there is no holy war....
[04:51] <bob__> not looking to start a holy war,  just curious about differences from a programming standpoint
[04:51] <flodine> yyes
[04:51] <Razor-X> bob__: experiment for yourself
[04:51] <flodine> yes
[04:51] <Razor-X> that's the best way to find out
[04:51] <Levande1> bob__: as a developer, I prefer KDE because it has an obejct oriented API, based on a library that's based on the brilliant Nextstep GUI API
[04:51] <Razor-X> everyone has their preferences
[04:52] <bob__> do you use trolltech tools?
[04:52] <bob__> qt
[04:52] <Levande1> bob__: as a user, I think gnome is more wide spread, even though KDE is widespread itself.  Because GNOME is more widespread, i *believe* it has more functionality in applications available natively, etc available
[04:52] <flodine> why does ubuntu move so slow
[04:53] <jordanau> flodine, how fast is your comp?
[04:53] <Levande1> bob__: and, if you're a free license freak, gnome is more based on free software than KDE
[04:53] <jordanau> flodine, and how much ram?
[04:53] <flodine> 1gig
[04:53] <Razor-X> Levande1: QWERTY is more widespread than Dvorak, but it's worse, as is Windows compared to Linux
[04:53] <squareff> Levande1: which non-free software is kde based on?
[04:53] <jordanau> flodine, how is it slow?
[04:54] <flodine> i got a 2600 amd  with 10,000 satas
[04:54] <bob__> coming from a windows environment, having learned the api's I know there is a significant time investment,  so I;m just trying to reduce alternatives in the development environment
[04:54] <Levande1> Razor-X: good point, but QWERTY does offer all the functionality DVORAK does, where *possibly* kde does not, i'm not enough of an expert to know
[04:54] <Razor-X> Levande1: heh, that's true...
[04:54] <Levande1> squareff: KDE is based on the Troll Tech QT library.  QT is available under both a GPL and a commercial license.  Some OSS advocates frown on this dual licensing.
[04:55] <Levande1> squareff: personally, i don't care
[04:55] <Razor-X> Levande1: i'm thinking they frown on the BSD liscense as well?
[04:55] <bob__> the qt license doesnt affect me, because I write free software
[04:55] <squareff> Levande1: as long as it's dual, it's free; i would say the main problem of kde is another one: it is too centralized
[04:55] <Levande1> i only use gnome because I'm not developing for it anyway, and it *seems* more of a default by my provider ubuntu.  Even though kubuntu is out now, my guess is that ubuntu is more focused on gnome
[04:56] <Levande1> squareff: not that i care either way, but that's an opinion.  Some people would say that it's not free unless the license indicates that it will always be free.  QT's licensing doesn't indicate that
[04:56] <Levande1> bob__: it's only the freaks that care about the licensing issue
[04:57] <Levande1> although if you think about it, the licensing does end up affecting everybody
[04:57] <thechitowncubs_> Hey, i got a good question for you, what is the best way to make a mothers day card in ubuntu :)
[04:57] <Levande1> i'm glad some ppl are watching that stuff
[04:57] <flodine> i want to run ubuntu so bad but its slow
[04:57] <holycow> thechitowncubs, gimp
[04:57] <holycow> :)
[04:57] <squareff> Levande1: well, then i am a freak, by ALL means!
[04:57] <holycow> hahahaha
[04:57] <holycow> thechitowncubs, sorry, but that really was funny :)
[04:57] <thechitowncubs_> holycow: you are mean
[04:57] <holycow> oh c'mon :)
[04:58] <Levande1> squareff: lol, but you are a freak who condones the dual free/commercial licensing?  that's a new kinda freak to me
[04:58] <bob__> flodine, my ubuntu is much faster than windoze 2000,  it is only using 2 percent of my system resources rightnow
[04:58] <thechitowncubs_> seriously though, you got me g-lined
[04:58] <holycow> sorry dude didn't mean to
[04:58] <flodine> well bob are you on satas
[04:58] <bob__> satas??
[04:58] <holycow> yosh is fairly straight laced :) join later they are usually okay
[04:58] <flodine> i love dude dont get me wrong its nice as hell
[04:58] <jordanau> flodine, explain your problem dont just randomly complain
[04:59] <Levande1> bob__: let the system run for awhile, it starts eating up more and more memory, 512 MB isn't enough for me although it is enough for me under XP.  Although, I don't run any of these servers on XP that I run on Linux.  Linux is my server box, because all the servers are free there.  And, already configured by ubuntu
[04:59] <flodine> ok
[04:59] <Levande1> bob__: you like to develpo with objects?
[04:59] <TheKark> satas?
[04:59] <thechitowncubs_> The gimp... hmm
[04:59] <bob__> not really,  I have done some object oriented work,  but I dont tend to think like that
[05:00] <squareff> Levande1: not at all! gpl alone (non-dual) doesn't *by itself* provide any more safety than dual licensing. as long as they have the copyright, they can change whenever they want.
[05:00] <holycow> thechitowncubs, there are quite a few tools you can use
[05:00] <holycow> inkscape is another good one
[05:00] <jordanau> sata is faster than ide cables and smaller as well
[05:00] <Levande1> bob__: my opinion, definitely go with GNOME then, it's got a larger user-base and it's got a structured C-type API
[05:00] <thechitowncubs_> ya... i'll use the gimp (its a really, really good program)
[05:00] <Levande1> bob__: KDE is object oriented and got a big, but smaller user base
[05:00] <squareff> Levande1: at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning
[05:01] <Levande1> squareff: no idea what u mean, if you don't dual license you aren't playing fair?
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> lol
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> The Gimp has a template of toilet paper!
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> lol
[05:01] <thechitowncubs_> thats hilarious
[05:01] <bob__> c is where I've spent quite a bit of time, so gnome might be an easier transition then
[05:01] <holycow> thechitowncubs, i'm a huge fan of gimp, and blender and a good number of programs like that
[05:02] <squareff> Levande1: the reciprocal is sometimes misleading. to be used with caution in arguing :)
[05:02] <Razor-X> bob__: this is getting to the point of holy war
[05:02] <TheKark> yeah, what kind of toilet paper can print
[05:02] <Levande1> squareff: still don't know whatu mean
[05:02] <holycow> thechitowncubs, scribus is also amazing for desktop publishing
[05:02] <bob__> no,  I appreciate the opinions
[05:02] <TheKark> hey, is blender for linux?
[05:02] <jordanau> TheKark, yes
[05:02] <squareff> squareff: it means your conclusion was not what i intended to express
[05:03] <TheKark> really, like free though?
[05:03] <jordanau> TheKark, sudo apt-get install blender
[05:03] <Levande1> squareff: i'm not arguing, just have no idea what your saying
[05:03] <thechitowncubs_> never heard of it
[05:04] <TheKark> ill check that out after downloading starwars revelations
[05:04] <squareff> Levande1: i never said you were "arguing". you were using arguments, rationale. that's what i meant by "arguing"
[05:04] <Levande1> squareff: this is like a laurel and hardy routine ;0
[05:04] <squareff> Levande1: sometimes irrationality makes our lives better
[05:05] <Levande1> squareff: and stupid ppl *love* cliches!
[05:05] <Levande1> pls don't take that the wrong way though...
[05:05] <squareff> now the expanded explanation: "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" DOESN'T IMPLY "if you don't dual license you aren't playing fair?"
[05:06] <squareff> Levande1: by what you said i conclude you feel i am stupid. am i right?
[05:06] <Levande1> squareff: okay, but how does dual license mean you are playing fair from the very beginning?  that's what I don't understand
[05:06] <Levande1> squareff: nooooo
[05:06] <holycow> squareff, under what conditions is it true to say that  "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" is true?
[05:06] <Levande1> was just first thing that popped into my head
[05:06] <squareff> holycow: you got the point!
[05:06] <bob__> seems to me that if you develop software for sale to make a living, it is not too unreasonable to pay a small fee for something like qt, given all the time that trolltech has put into it
[05:07] <Levande1> that's what I do when I'm talking to somebody i think is stupid and don't want to talk to any more.  I say something like "yeah, you've got to use what you have".  The stupid ppl always love something like that
[05:07] <squareff> holycow: so my "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" is true only when compared to people who change from gpl to commercial
[05:07] <Levande1> you just reminded me of that little thing I do, and our conversation wasn't making sense anyway
[05:07] <regeya_> oh dear
[05:07] <regeya_> is someone on a licensing rant?
[05:08] <Nalioth> dual license for dual procs?
[05:08] <TheKark> seems like it
[05:08] <Levande1> yeah, and we arguing the same points that have been argued about the GPL from the beginning of time
[05:08] <regeya> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah gpl is bad blah blah blah
[05:08] <squareff> Levande1: squareff: Levande1: sometimes irrationality makes our lives better /// Levande1: squareff: and stupid ppl *love* cliches!
[05:08] <nate_> do 802.11g cards work with 802.11b APs?
[05:08] <regeya> I wonder how I ever got along without beagle
[05:09] <Burgundavia> nate_, should, mos are b/g
[05:09] <Levande1> squareff: you didn'tt think that was funny? i'm laughing when you quoted me?
[05:09] <nate_> Burgundavia: hmmm, not picking up mine, so i was just wondering
[05:09] <Levande1> although i could see how you would think it was aimed at you, but i promise, it wasn't
[05:09] <holycow> regeya, is there a deb package for it?
[05:09] <kark> does beagle just find things?
[05:09] <Burgundavia> nate_, does iwlist -scan pick it up?
[05:09] <Fackamato> Anyone using m0n0wall?
[05:10] <Nalioth> nate_, they are compatible
[05:10] <Burgundavia> holycow, is going to be making its was into Ubuntu realsoonnow
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: oh, ok. i thought it had been a retort to my playful remark
[05:10] <Burgundavia> kark, yes, but very well
[05:10] <holycow> Burgundavia, really? *oooooooooooo*
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: sorry for the confusion
[05:10] <holycow> i knew i like ubuntu for some reason
[05:10] <Levande1> squareff: yeah, i was trying to be playful back.  Maybe with to much of an edge though...
[05:10] <holycow> -_-
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: np :)
[05:10] <thechitowncubs> File Roller needs better drag and drop support =(
[05:10] <regeya> holycow: take a look at the beagle wiki: http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[05:10] <squareff> Levande1: so now did you get the point from my replies to holycow?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> regeya, those repos are crack
[05:11] <regeya> ^ got lazy, hit F12, and searched for 'beagle wiki'
[05:11] <holycow> regeya, danky spanky :)
[05:11] <Burgundavia> regeya, holycow don't use them
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> Beagle is awesome
[05:11] <Burgundavia> the beagle out of them breaks (I have used it)
[05:11] <holycow> heh k.
[05:11] <Burgundavia> wait for it to hit breezy
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> Im using 0.09 and it works
[05:11] <regeya> Burgundavia, I see.
[05:11] <holycow> btw, i love the beagle logo
[05:11] <kark> hmm, i know beagle finds things well, but im a organizing freak
[05:11] <holycow> rofl
[05:11] <elshadii> I'm trying to find out information on using Hula can someone suggest a HOWTO that explains checking mail and such?
[05:12] <holycow> and the name of that package
[05:12] <regeya> Burgundavia, the funny thing is that it's an unofficial repo.  I know you think I'm some idiotic n00b who knows no better than to go sticking me willie in any hole I can find, but I swear I wore a condom.
[05:12] <holycow> oh its a mono app
[05:12] <holycow> heh
[05:12] <holycow> hoo boy here we go :)
[05:12] <jordanau> beagle is basically the google desktop search but local right?
[05:12] <squareff> Levande1: [the reply to holycow]  so my "at least dual licence means playing fair from the very beginning" is true only when compared to people who change from gpl to commercial; does it now make more sense? :)
[05:12] <Burgundavia> regeya, lol
[05:13] <holycow> regeya, rofl
[05:13] <holycow> thats a quotable
[05:13] <holycow> can that be our topic for the day?
[05:13] <holycow> :)
[05:13] <Burgundavia> I trust our local mono guru, who  claims it is crack
[05:13] <bob__> anjuta?  a good ide to start with?
[05:13] <regeya> hehe...I think the stoli is making me goofy
[05:13] <jordanau> regeya, i once taught by a wise man that sticking things where they look like they belong can get you in a lot of trouble
[05:14] <regeya> I wonder why nobody's deleted that from the beagle wiki...
[05:14] <holycow> jordanau, it can also land you in jail, just ask michael jackson
[05:14] <holycow> *oops*
[05:14] <holycow> did i say that?
[05:14] <holycow> >_>
[05:15] <squareff> [retrying]  anybody ever tried "rsync -P <public_server::final.iso> <local_host/beta.iso>"? did it work?
[05:15] <jordanau> holycow, haha ROFL
[05:16] <sbcl3__> is it possible for me to install KDE with ubuntu and even though  I use gnome to use KDE part time?
[05:16] <sbcl3__> (like..to bootload operating systems but with environments)
[05:16] <jordanau> holycow, whats the difference between michael jackson and neil armstrong
[05:16] <holycow> what?
[05:16] <Levande1> what is the advantage to using identd when you are using an IRC client?
[05:17] <jordanau> neil armstrong was the first man to walk on the moon, michael jackson has sex with little boys :)
[05:17] <holycow> heh
[05:17] <holycow> and now to another topic
[05:17] <Burgundavia> jordanau, please take that elsewhere
[05:17] <holycow> Burgundavia, over to you
[05:17] <jordanau> Burgundavia, okay
[05:17] <jordanau> Burgundavia, sorry bout that, im done now
[05:18] <regeya> sbcl3__, you shoulhd have no problem installing kde
[05:19] <sbcl3__> regeya: how do i use it after i install it (i want to use both but at different times)
[05:20] <regeya> sbcl3__, dunno; I think there should be an entry in gdm for kde
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Does anybody have PHP installed? If so, can you quickly just run time() in a terminal and tell me what it returns?
[05:20] <Quest-Master> ;(
[05:20] <iluciv> how do you find where programs are installed i.e I installed 3desktop to see how it works (from apt-get) but it didn't tell me where it is installed or how to execute it; so how do I find out?
[05:21] <Levande1> Quest-Master: how to I run php from the command line? tell me and i'll do it
[05:21] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -l
[05:21] <jordanau> one way is to find it in synaptic and look under properties
[05:21] <Levande1> Quest-Master: i have it installed, use it to do some web development
[05:21] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -L <packagename> will list files in the package
[05:22] <waseem> Hi Im trying to install quake3arena on my computer and im using the following command in terminal: mount /mnt/cdrom and the output is mount: can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab, does anyone know what im doing wrong?
[05:22] <Quest-Master> Levande1: Does PHP not have an interactive console like Ruby or Python?
[05:22] <sbcl3__> does anyone know of a linux piece of software that is close to microsoft's project standard 2003?
[05:22] <iluciv> tritium: great thanks agian
[05:22] <chombee> I have to type sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd after every reboot if I want to play DVDs. Does anyone know what file I can put this so it will be executed automatically?
[05:23] <tritium> iluciv, sure
[05:23] <Levande1> Quest-Master: it does, I just don't know how to use it, it's more commonly used to be served from web servers.  Although I know you can run it from the command line.  I just don't know how.
[05:23] <holycow> thechitowncubs, just so that you know, i once got banned for two weeks from that chan
[05:23] <holycow> hehe
[05:23] <holycow> for complimenting them
[05:23] <holycow> :)
[05:23] <tritium> iluciv, there's also the manpage, besides the --help
[05:24] <Quest-Master> Levande1: If you could spare me a second, could you just then write a PHP file that would print time(), and then give me the timestamp it returns?
[05:24] <Levande1> Quest-Master: hold on
[05:25] <Mestapheles> has anyone used the xitel MDPROT-AN1?
[05:25] <thechitowncubs_> grr, i hate when things don't eject =D
[05:25] <Mestapheles> sypo, xitel MDPORT-AN1 ?
[05:25] <thechitowncubs> holycow: how did you get banned?
[05:26] <holycow> i don't remember what i said, i was complimenting them about something
[05:26] <thechitowncubs_> lol
[05:26] <Levande1> Quest-Master: i tried a file that just contains this:" <?php time(); ?>" that's only line. Nothing was printed out on page.
[05:27] <tritium> sbcl3__, planner, but it's not too close yet
[05:27] <Mestapheles> holycow:banned from what irc?
[05:27] <holycow> #gimp on irc.gimp.org
[05:27] <Mestapheles> oh
[05:28] <|QuaD-_> has anyone used hula on hoary or breezy?
[05:28] <sbcl3__> tritium: i found some stuff..
[05:28] <sbcl3__> http://ganttproject.sourceforge.net/index.php
[05:28] <jordanau> holycow, if it makes you feel better, i got banned from target
[05:28] <chombee> I have to type sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd after every reboot if I want to play DVDs. Does anyone know what file I can put this so it will be executed automatically? I actually already have the command set to run on startup in my gnome session, but this doesn't work since I upgrade to Hoary
[05:28] <holycow> jordanau, lol, actually it doesn't really matter
[05:28] <holycow> from target?
[05:28] <Mestapheles> I basically got asked to leave the freebsd-ppc mailing list
[05:28] <holycow> like store?
[05:29] <holycow> hahaha :)
[05:29] <tritium> sbcl3__, check out planner -- it's apt-gettable
[05:29] <holycow> like what did you do?
[05:29] <jordanau> holycow, yeah, i dont think all of them, just the one store
[05:29] <jordanau> holycow, well i was dumb and in high school
[05:29] <Quest-Master> Levande1: Could you try "<?php echo time(); ?>
[05:29] <holycow> rofl, how the hell does anyone get banned from target?
[05:29] <chombee> perhaps the 'sudo' doesn't work  in the gnome sessions dialog
[05:29] <jordanau> holycow, riding bikes through the store and scaring kids with halloween masks
[05:29] <Mestapheles> it all started out as me being helpful, then beng told that if the target person wanted to know something they woudl ask for it, ortherwise I shoud play elsewhere
[05:29] <holycow> jordanau, haha do tell :)
[05:30] <sbcl3__> tritium: what's planners website?
[05:30] <holycow> ah! hillarious :)
[05:30] <tritium> sbcl3__, apt-cache show planner
[05:30] <tritium> it'll tell you
[05:30] <|QuaD-_> sbcl3__: i use planner, it works well
[05:30] <|QuaD-_> sbcl3__: comparable to project
[05:31] <sbcl3__> http://www.imendio.com/projects/planner/
[05:31] <jordanau> tritium, Great Tip! thanks
[05:31] <holycow> jordanau, how were you to know the bikes weren't meant for riding in the store?
[05:31] <tritium> jordanau, which?
[05:31] <holycow> -_-
[05:31] <sbcl3__> you could of just given me that url...
[05:31] <Levande1> Quest-Master:  tried again with this <?php echo time() ?> and what was printed on the web page was 1115523026
[05:31] <Levande1> Quest-Master: very close to what you requested, but no semi, don't think that matters
[05:31] <jordanau> holycow, i'm not gonna buy something without trying first
[05:31] <Mestapheles> does anyone know if D/A converters are unidirectional by nature?
[05:31] <Quest-Master> Levande1: Thank you very much. :D I appreciate it
[05:31] <stuNNed> regeya: beagle's search doesn't pick up certain things oddly, that it should
[05:31] <holycow> jordanau, rofl, quality control eh?
[05:31] <holycow> hehe
[05:32] <jordanau> holycow, i have grown up a little since then, (although if you want to hear the greastest highschool prank of all time /msg me)
[05:32] <sbcl3__> i was also meaning a flow-chart builder
[05:32] <sbcl3__> like Kivio but for gnome
[05:32] <sbcl3__> would Dia be the best thing?
[05:33] <chombee> sbcl3__ - dia is pretty good
[05:33] <tritium> sbcl3__, you can find it yourself, don't get fussy when people help you
[05:33] <sbcl3__> sorry
[05:33] <|QuaD-_> sbcl3__: i have used kivio and dia, and i find dia a lot more advanced
[05:33] <JairunCaloth> :( mIRC needs to make a linux version...
[05:33] <holycow> jordanau, only if it doesn't suck
[05:33] <|QuaD-_> JairunCaloth: why?
[05:34] <|QuaD-_> JairunCaloth: xchat and irssi are 2 great clients
[05:35] <JairunCaloth> it's just overwhelming learning 100 new programs at once that do the same thing I'm used to using other programs for, and know.
[05:35] <stuNNed> JairunCaloth: xchat is pretty easy to use actually
[05:36] <Orunitia> You can just run mirc through wine :P
[05:37] <JairunCaloth> hehe, well I just got this up and running, I'm nowhere close to figuring out how to install and setup wine yet
[05:37] <Levande1> |QuaD-_: am new to IRC, but am using gaim, what's wrong with gaim that it doesn't make your list?
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> Xchat is the best IRC client
[05:37] <chombee> come on - I got my friends sweet laptop all set to open xine with a cool skin when a DVD is put in and start playing it perfectly - but I need something to run the  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd command!
[05:37] <JairunCaloth> I've never used it before. I'm just used to mIRC
[05:38] <Orunitia> yeah I remember my first time using linux too. You get used to it, and like it.
[05:38] <JairunCaloth> I'm not saying it's not good. I just don't know anything about it.
[05:38] <|QuaD-_> Levande1: eh?
[05:38] <JairunCaloth> I've dabbled with linux a little in the past, but I'm still a complete noob to linux pretty much
[05:38] <sir-gold> you could run mirc using wine...
[05:38] <Levande1> |QuaD-_: just wondering if I should switch from gaim to one of the ones you mention is all.  You know of a reason to?
[05:39] <|QuaD-_> Levande1: nope. i like irssi
[05:39] <JairunCaloth> right now I'm trying ot figure out why I can access my windows drive through the terminal, but not in gnome...
[05:39] <JairunCaloth> I got it mounted fine... but gnome denys me access
[05:40] <nat_> call me a n00b, its ok, I am one, but I have a (perhaps stupid) question
[05:40] <nat_> whenever I load synaptic, I get this error message:
[05:41] <nat_> : Couldn't stat source package list http://.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:41] <nat_> my take on it is that I am failing to connect
[05:41] <nat_> yet, I can go online
[05:41] <chombee> OKAY - can I get it to run my command and launch xine when a DVD is inserted? Set the action to something like  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd; xine dvd://
[05:42] <sir-gold> no, its trying to save something, and can't find or access the folder to save it in
[05:42] <nat_> oh, ok
[05:43] <nat_> what can one do about that sort of thing?
[05:43] <chombee> I would just try it, but I'd have to reboot for every attempt to guess the command, and it might be a dead end anyway. does anyone know?
[05:43] <sir-gold> nat_ im looking on google for it
[05:43] <jordanau> chombee, can you mount the folder?
[05:43] <nat_> thinks, sir-gold
[05:44] <jordanau> chombee, i am a newb but i mounted a directory for ftp stuff, it might work for that
[05:44] <chombee> mount the folder? the drive in question mounts automatically, but DVDs will not play unless I add this sym-link (or something) via this command:  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd. If I just wanted to browse the DVD, that works on its own
[05:44] <iluciv> tritium: so a pattern for dpkg -l could be dpkg a-z ??
[05:44] <nat_> sir-gold, the reason i thought it had to do with connection issues was that my machine was really reluctant to connect to the internet
[05:45] <tritium> iluciv, dpkg -l by itself lists the installed packages on your system
[05:45] <sir-gold> nat_ did you refresh synaptic after adding sources?
[05:45] <nat_> I'm connecting through a shared connection on a winXP machine
[05:45] <nat_> yes
[05:45] <tritium> iluciv, you can pipe it into grep to search for specific packages
[05:45] <jordanau> chombee, the link goes away after the DVD rom gets unmounted i guess?
[05:45] <nat_> i believe so
[05:46] <nat_> well....maybe not since my connection started working, actually
[05:46] <fazer> Hmmm, why does Ubuntu synchronize with the time server upon boot up?
[05:46] <jordanau> computer clocks are innacurate
[05:46] <flex_> im using the i386 hoary but I have a athlon 64, what kernel would be the best to use 386, 686, k7
[05:46] <tritium> k7
[05:47] <chombee> jordanau - no actually, I can take the DVd out and put another in fine. The link goes away after a reboot though. See that command establishes the link for my current session, so ineed it to automatically run at the start of every session, but don't know which file to add the command to
[05:47] <fazer> jordanau: ah, so, if you boot up without internet connectivity, you are left with incorrect time?
[05:47] <sir-gold> nat_ refresh again and see if that helps
[05:47] <nat_> sir-gold, i think that's doing it, it seems to be dl'ing
[05:47] <tritium> fazer, not terribly incorrect, but all clocks drift a bit
[05:47] <nat_> d'oh, that was rather dumb on my part
[05:47] <fazer> tritium: mine was 4 hours behiind.
[05:47] <jordanau> fazer, over time your clock will get off so it adjusts it
[05:47] <jordanau> fazer, yeah mine was 20 minuts over 2 weeks
[05:48] <tritium> fazer, that's a bit much
[05:48] <user1> is there a way , I Have setup linux in 3.6 giga hdd
[05:48] <user1> can I copy it into other hdd of 6 giga or 12 giga and boot the linux from there?
[05:48] <nat_> sir-gold, its checking the repositories, which was the source of the error before, so yeah, that did it
[05:48] <waseem> Hey how can i fix my OpenGL?
[05:48] <nat_> thank you!
[05:48] <jordanau> chombee, look at the man pages on mount and look at --bind, see if that might be of use
[05:48] <fazer> tritium: yeah, hence why I asked =/
[05:48] <tritium> waseem, hey, what's broken?
[05:49] <alainm> what do name should i use in Synaptic do get unbuntu latest?
[05:49] <tritium> fazer, much moreso than normal drift.  Are you dual-booting?
[05:49] <fazer> tritium: not at all.
[05:49] <waseem> tritium: quake3arena isnt working because of OpenGL
[05:49] <waseem> i dont know what the problem is
[05:49] <sir-gold> alainm did you install hoary or warty?
[05:49] <thechitowncubs> do you guys think that ubuntu will keep growing the way it has been?
[05:49] <alainm> sir-gold: hoary
[05:49] <jordanau> tritium, i am trying to help chombee with a link that goes away on reboot, will mount --bind work better?
[05:49] <fazer> tritium: I think my Thinkpad's internal clock is disfunctional?
[05:49] <nat_> waseem,  are you using an nvidia card?
[05:49] <sir-gold> then there isn't much to update
[05:49] <chombee> jordanau - I see what you mean, but i already have a perfect solution, just need to enter it into a config file
[05:50] <REdz> does hoary work with nvidia drivers out of the box
[05:50] <waseem> nat: yes
[05:50] <Fackamato> REds: yup
[05:50] <REdz> or do u still need to install the nvidia drivers manually
[05:50] <chombee> how do I run two commands at once? type command1 & command2 ?
[05:50] <REdz> Fackamato, thanks great
[05:50] <Fackamato> REds: of course you have to install them
[05:50] <jordanau> chombee, i dont know why the link goes away, i thought they were permanent
[05:50] <nat_> i dont actually know the solution to your problem, but I know the documentation with the nvidia driver goes into some depth about it
[05:50] <user1> can I make copy of the linux to other drive?
[05:50] <JairunCaloth> ah, video drivers.. that might be a good idea.... lol
[05:50] <tritium> jordanau, I don't know
[05:50] <jordanau> tritium, actually you can disgreegard what i said
[05:50] <user1> like mirror and boot it from there?
[05:50] <sir-gold> alainm in synapic click the button that says mark all upgrades
[05:51] <sir-gold> then click apply
[05:51] <JairunCaloth> doea nvidia have linux drivers for their stuff?
[05:51] <chombee> jordanau - well don't take my word that it's a 'sym-link', I don't really know what the command does (except that it links /cdrom0 to /dev/dvd) but it works
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> what command ends the current process?
[05:51] <alainm> sir-gold: oh i know what.. what i want to know is what is the name of the next version they are working on..
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> is there a shortcut
[05:51] <jordanau> ctrl -c
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> nvm
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> alt f4 =D
[05:51] <chombee> thechitowncubs - ctrl-c
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> i was running a windows game
[05:52] <gp_aaron> has anyone installed vmware on ubuntu?
[05:52] <chombee> Anyone - what is the difference between a symbolic link and a hard link?
[05:53] <JairunCaloth> lol, I keep looking for my date and time in the bottom left instead of the top
[05:53] <Levande1> chombee: i'll try
[05:53] <gp_aaron> JairunCaloth, used to KDE?
[05:53] <gp_aaron> or windows?
[05:53] <thechitowncubs> windows im assuming
[05:53] <Levande1> chombee: a hard link is actually a "first class" file, you delete what it links to, the hard link is still there with all the contents
[05:54] <Levande1> chombee: a soft link just points to what it links to.  You remove the link target, and the soft link is more or less dangling
[05:54] <Levande1> doesn't point anywhere
[05:54] <nat_> waseem, this might have the info you need ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt
[05:54] <chombee> Levandel - and a sym link, what? Is just a session setting? Does this mean that if I create my /dev/cdrom0 /dev/dvd link once as a hard link then it stays for good?
[05:55] <waseem> thanks nat_
[05:55] <jordanau> chombee, no soft links exist for good too
[05:55] <gp_aaron> bbl
[05:55] <chombee> jordanau - do you know why this command  sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd only lasts until reboot?
[05:55] <jordanau> chombee, are you doing it as root
[05:55] <chombee> ln -s creates a 'symbolic link' according to man
[05:55] <chombee> yes i am root
[05:56] <Levande1> jordanau: yeah, the soft link doesn't go away when you remove the link target, but there's nothing in the soft link when you try to use it
[05:56] <phxguy> How can I tell if my Python installation is working properly
[05:56] <jordanau> chombee, that is why i think you should mount --bind
[05:56] <chombee> jordanau - can I set command1 & command2 to run when a DVD is inserted, to run my link command then open xine?
[05:56] <tritium> /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[05:56] <Levande1> jordanau: i would guess because the files in /dev aren't files that are permanent in the filesystem. They are dynamically created at boot time
[05:57] <jordanau> when the comp starts up it will mount all and that will include what you made
[05:57] <jordanau> Levande1, is mount --bind a good option?
[05:58] <Levande1> jordanau: i don't know what the --bind option does
[05:58] <chombee> Levandel - do you know how I can create a sym link at the start of each gnome session?
[05:58] <Levande1> chombee: at the start of each X session you can put command to be run in your .Xsession file
[05:58] <Levande1> chombee: there's prolly some similar file for gnome, but I don't know what it is
[05:58] <jordanau> Levande1,  Since Linux 2.4.0 it is possible to remount part of the file  hierarchy
[05:58] <jordanau>        somewhere else.
[05:58] <Levande1> X session is pretty much the same thing though
[05:59] <Levande1> jordanau: cool
[05:59] <jordanau>  After this call the same contents is accessible in two places.
[05:59] <chombee> Levandel - d'you think that will enable me to sym link /dev/cdrom0 to /dev/dvd for every session?
[05:59] <jordanau> Levande1, thats straight out of man mount if you want to read about it
[05:59] <Levande1> chombee: why do you need /dev/cdrom0 linked to /dev/dvd?
[06:00] <jordanau> chombee, you could make a bash script that gets executed at startup
[06:00] <Levande1> chombee: but I would guess the answer is yes, but you would have to try it
[06:00] <JairunCaloth> Ok, so I've got my windows drive mounted, and I can access it from the terminal. How do I change the permissions so I can access it from gnome?
[06:00] <jordanau> JairunCaloth, chmod
[06:00] <chombee> Levandel - all my DVD playing programs (xine etc) do not find the device /dev/dvd. It's mounted as /dev/cdrom0 it seems but they choose to look for /dev/dvd. So symlink the two then they will work.
[06:00] <Levande1> JairunCaloth: you sure that's a permission problem?
[06:00] <jordanau> JairunCaloth, is is fat or ntfs
[06:00] <chombee> Thanks Levandel, i will simply try it
[06:00] <knapjack> Anyone here try luminocity yet?
[06:01] <JairunCaloth> NTFS
[06:01] <Levande1> JairunCaloth: accessing files shouldn't require different file permissions for different programs.  Just when using different users to access.
[06:01] <jordanau> sorry chmod isnt right, i wasnt thinking
[06:01] <chombee> jordanau - how would I set a bash script to execute at startup?
[06:01] <JairunCaloth> well I had to set it up using the root terminal
[06:02] <jordanau> chombee, system > preferences > sessions > third tab
[06:02] <jordanau> chombee, startup programs
[06:02] <chombee> Levandel - you know what the problem with .XSession is - the command needs to be run as root
[06:02] <Levande1> chombee: that is a problem
[06:03] <chombee> jordanau - and I just type in the name of the bash script file? what makes a bash script, and will it be able to run the command as root?
[06:03] <Levande1> chombee: why do you need to make this link?
[06:03] <jordanau> chombee, now you need to know what number to give it for the boot order
[06:03] <jordanau> chombee, oooo didnt think about root, i dont know
[06:04] <chombee> Levandel - the link needs to be made in order for DVD videos to play in programs like Xine. Without it they don't find /dev/dvd
[06:04] <jordanau> chombee, i have solved the problem!!!
[06:04] <chombee> !!
[06:05] <jordanau> chombee, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23248&highlight=DVD+link+reboot
[06:05] <Levande1> chombee: there's a message during booting ubuntu that says something like "creating temporary devfs over /dev"
[06:05] <phxguy> someones' gotta know something about python in here
[06:05] <jordanau> i cant take credit for it though looks like you have a couple of options
[06:05] <kark> chombee: no, just change the settings to look for the dvd in /media/cdrom0 or whatever
[06:05] <Levande1> chombee: you need to find that program that creates that filesystem and configure it to also create /dev/dvd when it creates everything else
[06:06] <jordanau> phxguy, if it is a really easy question i might know
[06:06] <chombee> Levandel jordanau - I just tried launching xine with /media/cdrom0 instead of //dvd:, it was weird! (didn't work)
[06:06] <user1> any one know this error:
[06:06] <user1> smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[06:06] <phxguy> jordanau: Just want to know how I test my python to see if it works?
[06:06] <jordanau> phxguy, type python on terminal
[06:07] <jordanau> if you get an interpreter it is working at least some :)
[06:07] <phxguy> i did that and i got some stuff that says the version is 2.4.1 then a line down it says >>>>
[06:07] <jordanau> phxguy, that is python
[06:08] <gorilla_> phxguy, that's your line interpreter in python... try running a python script:-)
[06:08] <holycow> phxguy, download a python script and run python script.py and see it work
[06:08] <phxguy> hmmm... I have a Superkaramba theme that says it requires python2.3 but for some reasont he theme doesn't work right and i get errors
[06:08] <phxguy> holycow: how do i run a python script
[06:09] <SuperK> is this thing on?
[06:09] <holycow> python script.py
[06:09] <jordanau> phxguy, python file.py
[06:09] <|||> python++
[06:10] <kark> phxguy: python scriptname.py ...
[06:10] <jordanau> phxguy, python thenameofthescriptyouwanttorun.py
[06:10] <SuperK> Anyone feel like tackling a question for me?
[06:10] <jordanau> SuperK, ask away
[06:11] <phxguy> thanks everyone let me try
[06:11] <chombee> jordanau - that looks complicated!  I think my best bet is to have gnome run two commands when a DVd is inserted - create the link and run xine. I think I can seperate the two with ; or &
[06:11] <jordanau> haha
[06:11] <phxguy> do i need to specify the path?
[06:11] <tritium> chombee, it doesn't have to be /dev/dcd.  You can specify /dev/hdb,or whatever it may be in xine configuration
[06:11] <eyequeue> chombee:  ; or && btw
[06:11] <kark> if you are not in the folder, yes
[06:11] <SuperK> Ok, Firefox doesn't work so good for me, so I tried Galeon and epiphany
[06:12] <SuperK> Liked them both bettter
[06:12] <chombee> tritium - i didn't see that in xine
[06:12] <tritium> chombee, /dev/dvd, I meant
[06:12] <kark> and set gnome to run xine on dvd insertation
[06:12] <SuperK> But when I try to unistall FF, synaptic wants to uninstall a bunch of other stuff
[06:12] <SuperK> including the ubuntu desktop
[06:13] <nat_> basically straightforward question:  I was able to mount my windows partition (ntfs) but it is read only
[06:13] <rics> Hello!
[06:13] <tritium> chombee, you may have to change the "experience level" in the configuration gui to see the option
[06:13] <SuperK> I don't need 4 browsers but want to clear space up if I can
[06:13] <phxguy> File "<stdin>", line 1
[06:13] <phxguy>     python /home/phxguy/.superkaramba/kalendar/ckalendar.py
[06:13] <phxguy>                         ^
[06:13] <phxguy> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[06:13] <nat_> is it possible to write and such to an ntfs drive?
[06:13] <phxguy> i got an error
[06:13] <eyequeue> SuperK:  ubuntu-desktop is just a meta=package
[06:13] <jordanau> SuperK, ubuntu-desktop is okay to get rid of
[06:13] <eyequeue> s/=/-/
[06:13] <SuperK> Ok. it won't mess anything else up??
[06:14] <phxguy> the little ^ is actually under the .
[06:14] <Levande1> has anybody tried to get the free Cygwin rootless X server running under Windows?
[06:14] <Levande1> how much of a bitch is it to configure?
[06:14] <eob84> I am having a little trouble getting cups to work under ubuntu
[06:14] <TheKark> that means something is wrong with your script
[06:14] <chombee> Ahh! Now I lost the command to launch xine on my DVD drive. It ended in something like //dvd except there was a : in there
[06:14] <eob84> I tell it to print and it just doens't
[06:14] <eob84> I have the server running
[06:14] <jordanau> SuperK, when you install ubuntu, ubuntu uses ubuntu-desktop to make sure everything that needs to get installed does, i believe that is all it does
[06:14] <eob84> and the printer set up
[06:15] <TheKark> X in windows?
[06:15] <jordanau> chombee, lost as in cant remember??
[06:15] <chombee> jordanau - yes
[06:15] <eyequeue> jordanau:  it's also seful at dist-upgrade (in five months, heh)
[06:15] <SuperK> OK, one more problem solved then, now if I can get file sharing and sound working I'll be golden :)
[06:15] <jordanau> chombee, press the up arrow key
[06:15] <eyequeue> useful
[06:15] <chombee> jordanau - no, it was set in the gnome dialog
[06:16] <jordanau> eyequeue, can you just install it then before you dist upgrade
[06:16] <eyequeue> jordanau:  right
[06:16] <jordanau> oh
[06:16] <TheKark> SuperK: sound is a bitch
[06:16] <tritium> chombee, you might also try gxine
[06:16] <eyequeue> jordanau:  and rm it after, if you like :)
[06:16] <phxguy> TheKark: hmm its a script from one my superkaramba themes... Its a pretty popular theme too
[06:16] <nat_> Is it possible to make NTFS partitions/drives non-read only?
[06:16] <SuperK> OH, can I install KDE without problems? I seem to have read some where having problems when they did that.
[06:16] <chombee> jordanau - can you look in your Removable Drives and Media settings, you probably have it set
[06:17] <eob84> any adice on how to get cups working?
[06:17] <jordanau> eyequeue, yeah i got rid of it when i got rid of totem, ubuntu really needs a better video player, it wouldnt even play .avi files for me!
[06:17] <jordanau> totem dvd://
[06:17] <chombee> thanks
[06:17] <eyequeue> jordanau:  did you try totem-xine instead?
[06:17] <jordanau> eyequeue, gmplayer
[06:18] <JairunCaloth> Ok.... what is the command to add user daniel to the user group of a folder?
[06:18] <TheKark> jordanau: have you tried vlc?
[06:18] <jordanau> eyequeue, and i have only had a couple of wierd quicktime problems and thats it, is totem-xine better?
[06:18] <eyequeue> jordanau:  i have totem-xine here (not totem-gstreamer) and gmplayer, and between the two, most of what i need seems covered
[06:18] <jordanau> TheKark, no but i heard it will play anythnig you can throw at it
[06:18] <TheKark> totem-xine is better
[06:18] <JairunCaloth> sudo chmod... and that's about as far as I can get lol
[06:18] <TheKark> vlc works quite well
[06:18] <TheKark> i found some movies that don't work
[06:19] <TheKark> my full metal panic series :(
[06:19] <tritium> JairunCaloth, adduser can add users to groups.  See the manpage.
[06:19] <musashi> chgrp -R group foldername
[06:19] <SuperK> thanks for the help guys!
[06:19] <TheKark> but totem-xine with w32-codecs i get no problems
[06:19] <SuperK> appreciate it
[06:20] <JairunCaloth> ahhh
[06:20] <jordanau> TheKark, i just ran through the multimedia how to back for warty when i first installed and havent touched anything since
[06:21] <TheKark> jordanau: oh...
[06:22] <TheKark> hmm, is the 6600GT supported with ubuntu's nvidia drivers, or will I have to compile the newest from nvidia?
[06:22] <chavo> TheKark, the latest ones are in hoary
[06:23] <TheKark> chavo: awesome
[06:24] <AgentQ> does anyone here have any experience setting up an ftp server?
[06:24] <TheKark> anyone heard of Ipcop?
[06:25] <knapjack> Anyone have a SIP softphone recommendation?
[06:25] <fazer> Does Ubuntu use xfree86 or Xorg?
[06:25] <chombee> XOrg in Hoary
[06:25] <Nalioth> hoary uses xorg
[06:25] <musashi> id use scp or http server
[06:26] <gorilla_> fazer, xfree86 for warty..
[06:26] <chombee> XFree86 in warty
[06:26] <jordanau> AgentQ, i did it once with vsftpd, i might be able to answer a simple question
[06:26] <REdz> is that part of the reason for the nvidia issues with warty being xfree86
[06:26] <REdz> as hoary works without mods
[06:26] <chombee> Yay!! I managed to change the setting in Xine using 'master of the universe' experience level and fiddling for ten mins. It now looks to /dev/cdrom to handle /dev/dvd. I think. Now to reboot and see for sure
[06:26] <jbmigel> omg please some sort of simple howto wine??
[06:27] <fazer> gorilla_: ah, so the latest, Hoary, uses Xorg?
[06:27] <nat_> does the nvidia driver support things like dual monitors?
[06:27] <tritium> nat_, yes.  see /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[06:27] <chombee> thanks everyone
[06:27] <rnz> is there any plan to implement initng to speed up the boot process in breezy? I can find anything in the wiki
[06:27] <nat_> thanks, tritium
[06:27] <tritium> nat_, sure.  Look for the "Twinview" stuff
[06:28] <regeya> back when I was your age we took our dvds to the living room and watched 'em on the entertainment center and we liked it
[06:28] <jordanau> regeya, it would go away after reboot
[06:28] <Jimbob> regeya: Because "kids these days" == "udev"
[06:28] <regeya> !
[06:28] <rnz> http://jw.dyndns.org/initng/
[06:28] <regeya> ah, yes, that's right
[06:29] <regeya> a dev system that makes no allowances for such things
[06:29] <regeya> brilliant move
[06:29] <Jimbob> regeya: Sure it does, you just add a bit to the config file.
[06:29] <jordanau> regeya, my idea was to use mount --bind, would that have worked?
[06:29] <regeya> now instead of a symlink you have to edit a config file.
[06:29] <knapjack> back in my day, we didn't have any of that fancy multi-media.  We had to pause between shadow puppets so we could use our hands to make the sound effects.
[06:29] <regeya> lol
[06:29] <Jimbob> regeya: Dude, you didn't know it existed fifteen seconds ago, you're hardly qualified to judge it on technical merits.
[06:29] <regeya> Jimbob
[06:30] <jordanau> knapjack, we didnt even have hands
[06:30] <regeya> Jimbob, if you'll search the gentoo forums you'll see that I'm an old curmudgeon who resisted switching from devfs to udev
[06:30] <knapjack> jordanau: Then how did you get to school and back?  On your feet?  Lucky bastards...
[06:30] <knapjack> jordanau: You young people don't know how good you have it....
[06:30] <regeya> Jimbob, but as I didn't know it existed 15 seconds ago...
[06:31] <jordanau> knapjack, haha
[06:31] <Jimbob> regeya: devfs is just as resistant to symlinks as udev is, IIRC.
[06:32] <regeya> Jimbob...right...pointless for me to argue, you're the guru, I suppose...
[06:33] <regeya> real shame no one ever figured out a way to store those local /dev changes
[06:34] <Jimbob> devfs was a mess from day one. There's a reason it was deprecated
[06:35] <Jimbob> And, as noted in one of the threads you posted on, "udev was designed *NOT* to store local changes to /dev"
[06:35] <Jimbob> The reason being that having a /dev/dvd is kinda silly if you have no DVD player.
[06:36] <regeya> Jimbob: how silly of me.  it was designed to not have that behavior so it's abysmally stupid to think that that would be a good thing.
[06:36] <ells> tritium: mIke, what is up
[06:37] <Jimbob> regeya: Dude, you're imagining me saying vastly more harsh/trollish things than I actually am.
[06:37] <tritium> ells, hi Steve
[06:37] <regeya> chombee: you don't have a dvd drive?
[06:37] <xc> how to reconfigure network interface ?
[06:37] <ells> tritium: how r things,
[06:37] <gorilla_> fazer: yep... hoary uses Xorg I noticed this when i dist-upgraded... (sorry about the late response)
[06:39] <iluciv> whats the alsa midi module called
[06:39] <regeya> Jimbob: I'm saying that I had dealt with systems that could deal with my local changes back in the devfs days, though apologies in advance because I never looked into how it worked...and I think that that behavior is sorely needed imho.  you're pointing out that udev is designed NOT to store local changes to /dev, which seems to imply both that it's a bad idea (??!?) and further reading between the lines tells me what your op
[06:39] <regeya> inion is. :-)
[06:39] <fazer> gorilla_: oh, no problem.
[06:39] <fazer> gorilla_: thanks for confirming
[06:40] <regeya> but whatever; I need some sleep and that'll put me in a better mood.
[06:40] <regeya> :-}
[06:40] <regeya> sorry Jimbob.
[06:40] <Jimbob> np, sorry for my part as well
[06:44] <xc> Anyone knows how to reconfigure network interface?
[06:44] <Boohbah> xc: man ifconfig
[06:46] <xc> is it the one configure the network interface at startup?
[06:46] <jbmigel> please howto "enable XRandR" in wine? I cannot find config file
[06:47] <aaron> hello
[06:47] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: If youa re in Gnome, go to System - Administration - Networking
[06:47] <xc> well it is network-admin, but I can't make bring up my network.
[06:48] <aaaaron> hello
[06:48] <Fackamato> hi.
[06:49] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: try sending it eth0 or your ethernet device name
[06:49] <aaaaron> i have just installed ubunto, with the 'terminal services client', how can i connect to the console ? i.e rdesktop -0
[06:49] <FunnyLookinHat> network-admin eth0 (If youa re in console)
[06:49] <FunnyLookinHat> aaaaron, You want a console/terminal?   Applications - System - Terminal
[06:49] <aaaaron> no, the console session of a remote desktop
[06:50] <Fackamato> console session of a remote desktop?!
[06:50] <Fackamato> you mean ssh?
[06:50] <aaaaron> no
[06:50] <xc> Thanks, but the network-admin often crash
[06:51] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: Are you in Gnome?
[06:51] <xc> Yes
[06:51] <FunnyLookinHat> And why can't you go through the menu system to access Network Config?
[06:51] <aaaaron> if you run rdesktop through the console, you can use the -0 option to connect to the remote console session, i want the -0 option in the gnome client
[06:51] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: System - Administration - Networking
[06:52] <geoffrian> Honk if you love tacos
[06:52] <FunnyLookinHat> aaaaron: You would have to use a separate piece of software such as VLC...  or if you are connecting via ssh, you have to add the -X parameter to get X support
[06:52] <xc> Yes, I did it. How to reinstall or reconfigure network interface at system level.
[06:52] <aaaaron> don't worry
[06:52] <geoffrian> Does anyone hear me?
[06:52] <geoffrian> This chat room sucks.
[06:53] <FunnyLookinHat> geoffrian, There isa good chance we are ignoring you.
[06:53] <aaaaron> i can't hear you geoffrian
[06:53] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: Try uninstalling the package and reinstalling it with apt-get, or possibly updating it if it is out of date.
[06:53] <geoffrian> Not funny.
[06:53] <shido6> who is geoffrian?
[06:53] <xc> which package?
[06:53] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: hold on a sec.
[06:53] <geoffrian> See.  Saying something like that is all it takes to get someone to pay attention.
[06:53] <aaaaron> whats up dude ?
[06:54] <Nalioth> geoffrian, tacos?
[06:54] <geoffrian> I just had Taco Bell.
[06:54] <geoffrian> Soft shell, beef.
[06:54] <Xenguy> geoffrian: actually, making vacuous statements long enough will simply get one /ignored
[06:54] <Nalioth> geoffrian, i have to speak spanish to get my tacos
[06:54] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: I'm sorry, I can't figure out what package it is.  Please try searching the ubuntu forums at ubuntuforums.org, your solution is more than likely there.
[06:54] <xc> It is impossible to connect the network. So I have to manually download the package and install it
[06:55] <FunnyLookinHat> xc: you can put it on a media such as CD or floppy
[06:55] <tritium> Nalioth, at least to get good ones ;)
[06:55] <xc> FunnyLookinHat, thank you very much through.
[06:55] <geoffrian> Ok,.....speak spanish to get tacos...
[06:55] <TheKark> hey using a 486 fixed my harddrive
[06:55] <geoffrian> I know what my urine smells like on fire,
[06:55] <TheKark> thank god for bio formating
[06:55] <Nalioth> i live in SE Houston. 65% latino population
[06:55] <Xenguy> ergo
[06:55] <tritium> geoffrian, stop it
[06:56] <Nalioth> 10% don't speak english
[06:56] <geoffrian> Yes Sir!
[06:56] <TheKark> urine can light on fire?
[06:56] <tritium> Nalioth, New Mexico here :)
[06:56] <flex_> how do you change the default apps that files are opened with
[06:56] <geoffrian> Well it was a flaming hot gear I pulled from a fire I was trying to cool.
[06:56] <anethema> right click the file...
[06:56] <anethema> propreties
[06:56] <anethema> 'open with' tab
[06:56] <Nalioth> i'm in public service and must speak spanish.. .. ..
[06:56] <anethema> add the program you wanna use and put the radio button to it
[06:57] <flex_> nice
[06:57] <geoffrian> What is this chat room about?
[06:57] <geoffrian> No one is talking about Ubuntu including myself.
[06:57] <concept10> african linux
[06:57] <xc> hehe
[06:58] <geoffrian> Ubuntu is not African Linux.  It is from the Isle of Man.
[06:58] <xc> A austrilia town
[06:59] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody know anything about wireless networking?  I'm having a tough time with my card - its detected out of the box, and it picks up the names of hte wireless networks around, but it cannot connect - nor obtain an IP from the DHCP
[07:00] <geoffrian> Welp, its been fun bulling around with you chap.  But I'm off to bed.  Its mighty late and the misses is wait for her little pickle tickle.  Adios
[07:00] <concept10> ubuntu is from tecas
[07:01] <Nalioth> tritium, helpin im on his way, eh? heh heh
[07:01] <tritium> indeed
[07:01] <JanC> abarbaccia : I have no WLAN, but probably something to do with WEP / WPA ?
[07:02] <Nalioth> tritium, sometimes it takes the bigger boot
[07:02] <Xenguy> excellent
[07:02] <tritium> Nalioth, I don't like doing it, but his language was inappropriate
[07:03] <dabaSlon> back from work, as you can guess.
[07:04] <anethema> nice tritium
[07:04] <anethema> i had him on ignore
[07:04] <anethema> haha
[07:04] <Xenguy> me too
[07:04] <tritium> anethema, I don't blame you
[07:04] <dabaSlon> hehe
[07:04] <dabaSlon> got booted:)
[07:05] <Fackamato> hm
[07:05] <Fackamato> what's post-processing in mplayer? increasing the quality of the video?
[07:05] <Fackamato> so, on, at the highest setting would give the best image?
[07:05] <Nalioth> tritium, ya wear the @, ya got to bear the weight
[07:05] <nat_> btw, I got TwinView working;  thx again tritium
[07:05] <tritium> nat_, excellent job, dude :)
[07:06] <tritium> Nalioth, yes, you're right
[07:06] <anethema> hey tritium
[07:06] <anethema> uhh
[07:06] <anethema> in mplayer etc
[07:06] <anethema> i notice the video doesnt seem as smooth at all as say, MPC in windows
[07:06] <anethema> is there a way to help that ?
[07:06] <tritium> hmm, I've not used mplayer.  sorry :(
[07:06] <anethema> mplayer or totem
[07:07] <anethema> both look the same when playing
[07:07] <JanC> mplayer doesn't even work here...
[07:07] <[noobuntu] > tried vlc?
[07:07] <anethema> no
[07:07] <anethema> any good ?
[07:07] <whappd> vlc is good
[07:07] <JanC> and totem-gstreamer is way too slow
[07:07] <flugh> got my hands on an ubuntu install cd finally.
[07:07] <anethema> better than totem i hope
[07:07] <anethema> im using totem-xine
[07:07] <JanC> gxine works okay though
[07:07] <tritium> flugh, Hoary?  in the mail?
[07:07] <Nalioth> anethema, try compiling it from source
[07:07] <whappd> anethema, i'm  having those same video issues with gmplayer, xine, and totem.
[07:08] <anethema> ive never got video in linux to be good
[07:08] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:08] <cyphase> who here has VHCS installed on a production server?
[07:08] <anethema> never had it be smooth like in win
[07:08] <flugh> tritium, hoary, but went to a local pc shop and used his broadband to get the iso
[07:08] <tritium> flugh, cool
[07:08] <whappd> anethema, i did have it smooth, on gentoo
[07:08] <JanC> MPC in Windows normally uses ffdshow
[07:09] <cyphase> no one?
[07:09] <cyphase> hmm..
[07:09] <Nalioth> anethema, my video is smooth on my ubuntu/PPC
[07:09] <flugh> tritium, i feels good to be back in a debian system. i loathe rpms and their evil spawn distros ;)
[07:09] <JanC> which uses ffmpeg
[07:09] <tritium> flugh, we're glad you've joined us!  Welcome :)
[07:09] <JanC> that's the same codec that gstreamer & xine and maybe also mplayer use
[07:09] <tsume> somebody shoot me
[07:09] <Nalioth> rpms - evil
[07:10] <tsume> brinks makes some really evil locks
[07:10] <anethema> ive had people see the output and say it smooth
[07:10] <anethema> but it really seems like the framerate is lower
[07:10] <whappd> Nalioth, what are you using for video?
[07:10] <s_yuan31tee> i have a package scim-chinese which is not found in warty but found in hoary. can i use the package in hoary to install in my warty?
[07:11] <keiichi> hello
[07:11] <Nalioth> whappd, i have no clue what you are asking. perhaps totem-xine?
[07:12] <whappd> bah. stupid keyboard.
[07:13] <Nalioth> whappd, i have no clue what you are asking. perhaps totem-xine?
[07:13] <Nalioth> whappd, why do you ask?
[07:13] <whappd> Nalioth, i mean, out-of-the-box video for me is not really that great -- it's slow and skips frames when playing DVDs.
[07:13] <whappd> i'm more curious if you did anything special for it to work correctly.
[07:13] <Nalioth> i compiled my own mplayer
[07:13] <whappd> Well then. Looks like I'll have to give that a try.
[07:14] <Nalioth> because gmplayer wasnt available via apt-get
[07:14] <dabaSlon> s_yuan31tee: you should be able to, why dont you upgrade?
[07:14] <Nalioth> but i don't know how that affects totem-xine
[07:14] <whappd> yeah.
[07:14] <whappd> i dont either.
[07:15] <dabaSlon> hi, keichi!
[07:15] <s_yuan31tee> dabaSlon: u mean upgrade the whole OS?
[07:15] <dabaSlon> keiicjaj
[07:15] <dabaSlon> right, upgrade to Hoary.
[07:16] <IcemanV9> whappd: did u make sure the dma is on? it happened to me before
[07:16] <whappd> IcemanV9, no, i did not.
[07:16] <IcemanV9> whappd: check it out, then. it does make a difference on my box.
[07:16] <Nalioth> whappd, i have to do a lot of different stuff cuz i run ubunutu on a PPC
[07:17] <whappd> IcemanV9,  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[07:17] <whappd> Nalioth, ahh.
[07:17] <whappd> I'm using it on an x86 laptop
[07:17] <IcemanV9> whappd: hmm. same here. x86 laptop, too.
[07:17] <Nalioth> whappd, then your support options vastly outnumber mine
[07:17] <dabaSlon> you managed to compile a mplayer on there?
[07:17] <whappd> Nalioth, heh.
[07:18] <a1rbag> : D
[07:18] <dabaSlon> a1rbag: hi
[07:18] <Nalioth> dabaSlon, who are you talking to?
[07:18] <dabaSlon> you,,,
[07:18] <dabaSlon> You got the Mplayer to compile and run?
[07:18] <Nalioth> dabaSlon, yes i compiled mplayer on here
[07:19] <dabaSlon> Nalioth: pretty cool, I never made it work:(
[07:19] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:19] <Nalioth> dabaSlon, iBook G3/600 640mb ram
[07:19] <dabaSlon> but my xine does the work.
[07:19] <dabaSlon> and you have that new g4, too, I know.
[07:19] <dabaSlon> Im danko123455, just changed my nick.
[07:19] <Nalioth> dabaSlon, the G4 is linux free until they find the drivers for airport extreme
[07:20] <bitsmash> hi
[07:20] <dabaSlon> hi
[07:20] <dr_willis> Hello
[07:20] <dr_willis> :P
[07:20] <bitsmash> hows it goin
[07:20] <joey_> hello
[07:20] <dabaSlon> goin still here...
[07:20] <todaysdistrois> hi all!
[07:20] <bitsmash> wheres the latest best ubuntu
[07:20] <anethema> actually Nalioth
[07:20] <anethema> installing mplayer from aptitude...
[07:20] <dabaSlon> todaysdistrois: hi.
[07:20] <anethema> is actually gmplayer also
[07:20] <brenden> retarded
[07:20] <dabaSlon> I like the plain look of just a bare MPlayer isntall.
[07:20] <Nalioth> anethema, hmmm i tried "gmplayer" and it said 'command not found"
[07:21] <dabaSlon> back from gtrocerie?
[07:21] <anethema> weird
[07:21] <dabaSlon> what is?
[07:22] <Nalioth> anethema, the PPC ubuntu is weird in a lot of ways
[07:22] <anethema> ohhh ppc
[07:22] <anethema> yeah
[07:22] <ryman|> my ubuntu is frozen
[07:22] <ryman|> and crashed
[07:22] <dabaSlon> whats so frozen about it?
[07:22] <ryman|> I'm on windows now =(
[07:22] <anethema> okay well...do i need any special output plugins for vlc?
[07:22] <dabaSlon> :(
[07:22] <todaysdistrois> I just installed a new soundblaster live card and I have no sound...
[07:22] <todaysdistrois> :(
[07:22] <ryman|> like all the icons on desktop just disappeared
[07:22] <joey_> join the club
[07:22] <ryman|> everything is frozen
[07:23] <ryman|> can't open xmms player or anything
[07:23] <dabaSlon> todaysdistrois: type alsamixer in a terminal, and play with that.
[07:23] <dabaSlon> m mutes/unmutes
[07:23] <ryman|> i can see it loaded but it iddn't appear on the desktop
[07:23] <dabaSlon> up down increase/decrease levels
[07:23] <nubious> Would anyone be willing to help explain some linux foundations for me?  I'm running the ubuntu distro on an ahtlon 600 and it's setup behind a firewall - my problem is I have a server setup now but it doesn't auto launch at system startup - if anyone can help with this - please MSG (WARNING:  I'm a windows user)
[07:23] <todaysdistrois> i'll try it!
[07:23] <anethema> todaysdistrois, first, go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[07:23] <dabaSlon> ryman|: hit alt+ctrl+del
[07:24] <anethema> follow the instructions
[07:24] <ryman|> dabaSlon I did that , after I logged in again
[07:24] <anethema> then...
[07:24] <anethema> yeah play wiht your mixer
[07:24] <ryman|> about like 15 mins,same thing happened again
[07:24] <ryman|> I think its my comp or something
[07:24] <joey_> got a question
[07:24] <Chameleon22> i am about to reinstall my home server. Debating with self if i should install X on it or not, never had on the server ... what do you guys think ?
[07:24] <anethema> just ask Joey
[07:24] <dabaSlon> ryman|: not sure, did you upgrade recently?
[07:24] <joey_> oh yeah
[07:25] <dabaSlon> ryman|: what computer is it?
[07:25] <anethema> Chameleon22, if you dont need X dont install  X
[07:25] <ryman|> pent4 2.0G
[07:25] <dabaSlon> ok
[07:25] <Chameleon22> anethema: *nod
[07:25] <dabaSlon> better sooner than later...
[07:26] <nubious> haha.. looks like no one has patience for windows users.. I dont blame em.. :)
[07:26] <anethema> whats the problem nubious
[07:26] <nubious> well
[07:26] <nubious> I run a teamspeak server
[07:26] <geneo93> Chameleon22:  i have used a lite wm for my server
[07:26] <joey_> i cannot seem to install win 32 codecs for my k/ubuntu 64 k8, am I to understand that there are none to be installed, because they are not brought over into 64 bit yet?
[07:26] <nubious> it's all setup and working - but my girlfriend rebooted it the other day (thinking it wasn't on) - so when it started back up it didn't auto start the server
[07:26] <dabaSlon> nubious: what server?
[07:26] <nubious> ubuntu
[07:26] <anethema> joey they should still work
[07:26] <nubious> base installation
[07:26] <Chameleon22> geneo93: wm?
[07:26] <sean_> hi, can someone help me get my sound working, i had to reinstall Ubuntu a few days ago but now my sound isn't working, i have the soundcard selected in the devices..
[07:26] <dabaSlon> joey_: right
[07:26] <nubious> Teamspeak - www.goteamspeak.com
[07:26] <geneo93> window manager
[07:27] <anethema> yes i know teamspeak
[07:27] <goldfish_> joey_: dont think they work on 64-bit
[07:27] <joey_> i have tried to install, but it sends back errors
[07:27] <anethema> why would it have started automatically?
[07:27] <anethema> did you ad it to your startup?
[07:27] <nubious> well exactly
[07:27] <dabaSlon> joey_: you can install something to emulate, not sure what.
[07:27] <nubious> it doesn't
[07:27] <Nalioth> l8r
[07:27] <joey_> hmmmm
[07:27] <nubious> thats the thing - I dont know HOW to add it to my startup - I'm looking for the equivelant of Autoexec.bat
[07:27] <anethema> okay
[07:27] <anethema> this i can help wiht
[07:27] <anethema> haha
[07:27] <nubious> I was referenced a rc.d file .. I'm not sure I fully understand though
[07:27] <nubious> haha nice
[07:28] <nubious> thanks :)
[07:28] <anethema> make your own init.d file
[07:28] <anethema> do like
[07:28] <anethema> sudo gedit /etc/init.d/local
[07:29] <joey_> so, what's the deal with a chroot 32 as a workaround?
[07:29] <dabaSlon> DmD: whats up dude!
[07:29] <bitsmash> is the ubuntu 5.04 array 7 any different then the official release?
[07:29] <joey_> hey
[07:29] <DmD> dabaSlon:  nm you
[07:29] <dabaSlon> hah
[07:30] <DmD> can anyone help me get my sound working again?
[07:30] <dabaSlon> DmD: take a look at http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly , and after that fails(if) try running alsamixer in your terminal
[07:31] <joey_> what's up with your sound?
[07:31] <dabaSlon> then m is mute/unmute, and up down to increase/decrease levels
[07:32] <flugh> ubuntu looks nice so far. had to do more work than with -other distro- to get X configured, but everything else went smooth. nice work :)
[07:32] <joey_> any 64 bit users here? I am having lots of config probs...
[07:32] <DmD> i ran alsamixer at one time but i don't think it worked
[07:32] <anethema> a LOT of peoples sound dont work also if they have 'startup sound daemon' in the sound config
[07:32] <crimsun> DmD: cat /proc/asound/cards
[07:33] <dabaSlon> yaay, we have crimsun here now...
[07:33] <dabaSlon> crimsun: what is the way to run w32codecs on a 64 bit machine?
[07:33] <DmD> 0 [Audigy2        ] : Audigy2 - Sound Blaster Audigy2
[07:33] <DmD>                      Sound Blaster Audigy2 (rev.4) at 0xa000, irq 17
[07:33] <DmD> 1 [V8235          ] : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
[07:33] <DmD>                      VIA 8235 with VT1616i at 0xbc00, irq 22
[07:33] <DmD> Audigy2
[07:33] <joey_> exactly!
[07:34] <[noobuntu] > crimsun ist the soundgod, he really helped me out today!
[07:34] <dabaSlon> yup!
[07:34] <joey_> noobuntu, nice...
[07:34] <crimsun> dabaSlon: 32-bit chroot is probably the easiest manner; search the wiki for debootstrap
[07:34] <joey_> that should be my name...
[07:34] <dabaSlon> sure...
[07:34] <joey_> debootstrap?
[07:34] <crimsun> DmD: what sort of problem(s) are you having with sound?
[07:34] <dabaSlon> do that, joey_
[07:34] <joey_> werd
[07:35] <DmD> crimsun:  i just don't hear anything like in xmms
[07:35] <DmD> the mp3s play but i hear no sound...
[07:35] <anethema> oh
[07:35] <anethema> okay
[07:35] <anethema> you're good to go then
[07:35] <dr_willis> Hmm. web surfing with Firefox at http://www.funpic.hu/en.gallery.php?id=12&s=dd&p=1&PHPSESSID=ca6f97aa3a9d9da461b7470321f04ab7   - and for some reason the cahcarcter encodeing keeps getting set to be "Celtic"  i change it to UTF-8 and page is fine. but a 'reload' makes it change back. Odd..
[07:35] <anethema> something  is just muted
[07:35] <flex_> anyone use cedega with ubuntu?
[07:35] <crimsun> DmD: more than likely you need to unmute the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Sound Jack'
[07:35] <goldfish_> flex_: yep
[07:35] <DmD> hmm
[07:35] <anethema> DmD, open your volume control
[07:35] <flex_> goldfish_, do you have a problem with text?
[07:36] <goldfish_> flex_: as in fonts?
[07:36] <flex_> yeah, you cant see them
[07:36] <dr_willis> not sure what to even check. Lol :O
[07:36] <goldfish_> flex_: nope, aint got tat problem, try in #cedega maybe
[07:36] <anethema> DmD, open volume control, change device to your alsa mixer
[07:37] <DmD> hmm, everything is unmuted in there..
[07:37] <dabaSlon> dr_willis: haha, that guy michael jackson did have a pretty huge nose...
[07:37] <joey_> what does synlink mean?
[07:37] <dr_willis> dabaSlon,  :P its all in english for ypu right? my fonts are soo messed up. even the 'view source'  fonts are switched to Celtic Encodeing.
[07:37] <joey_> symlink, excuse me...
[07:37] <dabaSlon> yup, english
[07:37] <dr_willis> But Konqueror sees it fine.
[07:38] <crimsun> DmD: paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[07:38] <dabaSlon> symbolic link
[07:38] <dr_willis> but Firefox and Mozilla get messed.
[07:38] <anethema> DmD,
[07:38] <goldfish_> joey_: symbolic link, like a short cut
[07:38] <joey_> thanks
[07:38] <anethema> do edit-preferences
[07:38] <goldfish_> well not hmmm
[07:38] <anethema> find analog to iec something output
[07:38] <dabaSlon> it means, that a file/folder is linked into another place, read up, hard to explain a link to me...
[07:38] <dabaSlon> for me
[07:38] <crimsun> (he'd need to mute the IEC958 capture monitor)
[07:38] <anethema> and check it
[07:39] <anethema> so it apears
[07:39] <DmD> Audigy/Analog/Digital Output Jack
[07:39] <anethema> mute it? ive solved a few peopls mute problems by unmuting it.
[07:39] <jacquesmerde> hey, so i'm running my ubuntu machine on only 128 mb of ram. though the speed seems ok, except for when i load apps, when it takes quite a while. is the bottleneck here the ram or the speed of the hdd?
[07:39] <anethema> sure try that
[07:39] <crimsun> DmD: unmute the Audigy/Analog/Digital Output Jack
[07:39] <DmD> so check it then?
[07:39] <joey_> so, after doing the 32 chroot howto in the wiki, how do you enable it? do you have to do anything at all to get it to function?
[07:40] <aparra__> are there any way for edit partitions like parition magic but in linux?
[07:40] <jacquesmerde> DmD, thats what i had to do to get sound out of my soundcard
[07:40] <dabaSlon> jacquesmerde: maybe even the processor/graphics card./
[07:40] <Burgundavia> aparra__, yes, with gparted
[07:40] <anethema> yes dmd try checking that
[07:40] <dabaSlon> jacquesmerde: try setting up a monitor in your panel/
[07:40] <anethema> look for IEC958 also
[07:40] <anethema> if its there
[07:40] <abarbaccia> anybody know which wireless cards are detected and fully functional under linux?
[07:40] <abarbaccia> ubuntu
[07:40] <flugh> dr_willis, i looked at the html source. looks like the encoding is set by the server. not a problem on your side (unless you can register and set personal encoding or something)
[07:40] <dabaSlon> the wiki.ubuntulinux.org knows lots, abarbaccia
[07:41] <dabaSlon> jacquesmerde: you know how to add a system monitor to your panel?
[07:41] <jacquesmerde> dabaSlon, the processor is a PIII, the graphics card is an nvidia TNT2. how do i set up this monitor of which you speak?
[07:41] <dr_willis> flugh,  hmm.. it worked under windows with firefox. , Mozilla and Ffox under linux BOTH are doing the same thing messing up.
[07:41] <todaysdistrois> did what the ubuntu guide told me...going to reboot...wish me luck!
[07:41] <dabaSlon> right click panel, add to panel
[07:41] <dr_willis> flugh,  and its doing it same mess up for all users
[07:41] <dabaSlon> system monitor is what you are adding.
[07:41] <jacquesmerde> dabaSlon, oh, its already an option? i dont have to install anything? i thought i'd have to instal gkrell or something
[07:42] <DmD> alright, i checked it but still no sound ;x
[07:42] <dabaSlon> nope, right there.
[07:42] <crimsun> DmD: you also need to mute any IEC958 Capture Monitor elements
[07:42] <jacquesmerde> DmD, is the audigy in/out channel unmuted AND turned up to a high number?
[07:42] <jacquesmerde> DmD, what soundcard do you have?
[07:42] <crimsun> DmD: (I'm presuming you want to use the Audigy and not your on-board)
[07:42] <dabaSlon> audigy 2.
[07:43] <jacquesmerde> thats the card i have
[07:43] <dabaSlon> sweet
[07:43] <flugh> catch y'all later. dist-upgrade over dialup creates excessive lag ;)
[07:43] <blueyed> Is it not possible for the owner to "chown" a file to another user? Does this really need root priviledges?
[07:43] <dabaSlon> hah
[07:43] <anethema> there, one more person helped for the night
[07:43] <anethema> haha
[07:43] <anethema> hopefully can get DmD working
[07:43] <dabaSlon> blueyed: may well be so.
[07:43] <blueyed> dabaSlon, this is too bad..
[07:44] <dabaSlon> well, you cant assign a file to a user, and blame it on him, I guess.
[07:44] <dabaSlon> jsut a sec, let me try
[07:44] <hitest> hi
[07:44] <jacquesmerde> blueyed, sounds like having a federal law saying you can't give away any of your possessions to the poor
[07:44] <dabaSlon> YO!
[07:44] <joey_> howdy
[07:44] <hitest> new guy here
[07:44] <joey_> me too
[07:44] <[noobuntu] > \o0/\o0/ crimsun  \o0/\o0/
[07:45] <dabaSlon> blueyed: nope, only root.
[07:45] <DmD> jacq:  I have a SoundBlaster Audigy V2
[07:45] <blueyed> k, thankyou
[07:45] <DmD> Z2 *
[07:45] <hitest> I just put Ubuntu on this unit, been running Slack for quite a while
[07:45] <dabaSlon> k, welcome.
[07:45] <dabaSlon> No more slack for you, I guess;)
[07:45] <anethema> hitest, i also just switched from slack
[07:46] <anethema> no WAY im ever going back
[07:46] <hitest> Yep, you've got that right
[07:46] <joey_> i moved from mandrake/driva..
[07:46] <hitest> Slack was good, but, the hardware detection in ubuntu is unreal
[07:46] <joey_> it's a bit different different over here
[07:46] <alvaro_> other question, are there any calendar, for organize me... I know one for kde but I don't rememnber it name
[07:47] <hitest> nice forum
[07:47] <anethema> hitest, package managment in ubuntu is also amazingly good
[07:47] <DmD> i unmuted the one's that i needed, but still nothing :x
[07:47] <joey_> Kalendar?
[07:47] <alvaro_> no
[07:47] <alvaro_> is a agend
[07:47] <crimsun> DmD: please paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.com
[07:47] <hitest> yes, agreed, package management is amazing, everything works, no glitches
[07:48] <alvaro_> korganizer I think
[07:48] <dabaSlon> k something, for sure
[07:48] <joey_> yep
[07:48] <alvaro_> but there are any like korganizer for gnome?
[07:48] <joey_> evolution?
[07:48] <dabaSlon> try searching your synaptic.
[07:48] <hitest> evolution
[07:49] <hitest> evolution has an organizer i think
[07:50] <dabaSlon> DmD: did you get that message from crimsun?
[07:50] <DmD> no but anethema msg'ed me :)
[07:50] <dabaSlon> crimsun is the way to go...
[07:51] <dabaSlon>  crimsun: DmD: please paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.com
[07:51] <DmD> alright one sec, i'm kinda slow at Linux..but i'm learning ;)
[07:51] <dabaSlon> cool
[07:51] <dabaSlon> just amixer in a terminal, copy, and paste to pastebin.com
[07:52] <DmD> oh ok
[07:52] <DmD> there, lol
[07:52] <dabaSlon> then get the URL, and paste it here.
[07:52] <DmD> http://pastebin.com/281160
[07:53] <anethema> jesus
[07:53] <anethema> long
[07:53] <anethema> heheh
[07:53] <DmD> heh
[07:53] <DmD> i have quite a few things in the volume control
[07:53] <DmD> i don't think i need them
[07:54] <alvaro_> vuala! gparted is nice!!
[07:54] <crimsun> DmD: do this from a Terminal: amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[07:54] <DmD> alright
[07:54] <DmD> done
[07:54] <abarbaccia> why would a wlan card be detected by linux, be able to see the network name, but then not be able to effectivly connect to the network or get a DHCP IP address
[07:54] <abarbaccia> ?
[07:54] <dabaSlon> sset or set?
[07:54] <crimsun> sset.
[07:55] <dabaSlon> cool
[07:55] <dabaSlon> abarbaccia: the other night we had a guy that needed to power cycle router...
[07:55] <DmD> sweet
[07:55] <DmD> it works
[07:55] <crimsun> excellent.
[07:55] <anethema> nice
[07:55] <dabaSlon> Awesome, good work, Crimsun...
[07:55] <anethema> crimsun rocks :)
[07:55] <DmD> if i happen o restart will it still work?
[07:55] <DmD> to*
[07:55] <dabaSlon> As always, an evil "excellent follows"
[07:55] <DmD> thanks guys :)
[07:56] <crimsun> DmD: it will work fine on subsequent reboots
[07:56] <dabaSlon> As always, an evil "excellent" follows
[07:56] <dabaSlon> like that guy in simpsons.
[07:56] <todaysdistrois> my sound card still doesn't work but I'm changing distros again...just want to see what the others are like...Thanks for the help and enjoy ubuntu
[07:56] <DmD> mr burns?
[07:56] <DmD>  i've watched too much simpsons
[07:57] <anethema> hehe good ole mr burns
[07:57] <crimsun> todaysdistrois: which card(s)?
[07:57] <DmD> i try to watch every new episode
[07:57] <anethema> here is a bit of trivia for you guys..whats mr burns first name ?
[07:57] <DmD> monty
[07:57] <DmD> montey
[07:57] <DmD> or whatever
[07:57] <todaysdistrois> sound blaster live -24
[07:57] <alvaro_> are there some program korganizer like for gnome?
[07:57] <anethema> wrong, try again :)
[07:57] <DmD> wtf?
[07:57] <anethema> its charles
[07:57] <crimsun> todaysdistrois: ah, you need the snd-ca0106 driver from the 'alsa-source' package in universe
[07:57] <DmD> wow
[07:57] <DmD> i never knew
[07:57] <anethema> charles montgomery burns
[07:57] <dabaSlon> right
[07:57] <DmD> lol
[07:58] <todaysdistrois> hmmmm...
[07:58] <DmD> i would of never known ;x
[07:58] <dabaSlon> alvaro_: do you know ho to search your synaptic?
[07:58] <dabaSlon> add a w
[07:59] <dabaSlon> at your discretion...
[07:59] <DmD> hm
[07:59] <DmD> now what else to do
[07:59] <alvaro_> yes
[07:59] <alvaro_> click on search
[07:59] <dabaSlon> have you searched teh name and description for organizer, and stuff like that?
[08:00] <dabaSlon> thats the best I can tell you about organizers...
[08:00] <dabaSlon> since I am unorganized...
[08:00] <alvaro_> ha
[08:00] <DmD> i mounted an ntfs partition, but i'm wondering would i be able to download files onto that drive?
[08:00] <DmD> i have to be able to write to it
[08:00] <dabaSlon> off course
[08:01] <DmD> right now i have it read only
[08:01] <anethema> not normally
[08:01] <shadyguy> What are the system requirements for ubuntu? I looked on the website, and i couldn't find them
[08:01] <anethema> but i think NTFS write support is possible
[08:01] <dabaSlon> shadyguy: what computer do you have?
[08:01] <dabaSlon> just change the umask from 022, to 000
[08:01] <dabaSlon> That should do it by my expectations.
[08:01] <DmD> really
[08:01] <dabaSlon> cause 2 means write
[08:01] <DmD> would i need to restart again or no?
[08:02] <dabaSlon> masking means remove that from all files
[08:02] <dabaSlon> restart what?
[08:02] <dabaSlon> unmount, remount with 000
[08:02] <shadyguy> it's custom made, the processor is a VIA Ezra (800mhz)
[08:02] <anethema> no need for restarting
[08:02] <DmD> alright one sec
[08:02] <DmD> ;p
[08:02] <shadyguy> I have ran mandrake on this before and it worked perfectly
[08:02] <DmD> damn i have a ton of mp3s
[08:02] <dabaSlon> crimsun: wow, never heard of that, do you have any ideas, about this guys install?
[08:03] <crimsun> shadyguy: it'll run just fine on an ezra as long as you have at least 64 MB RAM
[08:03] <DmD> i just remade a new list
[08:03] <shadyguy> yeah, I have 256 ram
[08:03] <dabaSlon> was google down today for you guys for some time?
[08:03] <anethema> nope
[08:03] <shadyguy> yes it was
[08:04] <dabaSlon> cool
[08:04] <dabaSlon> just checking.
[08:05] <DmD> so just have
[08:05] <DmD> /dev/hdd1       /media/windows  ntfs umask=000      0        0
[08:05] <DmD> then save it again
[08:05] <cyphase> If I get lucky, my blog is about to be unintentionally advertised on the radio
[08:05] <cyphase> woooooooo
[08:05] <cyphase> ;)
[08:06] <dabaSlon> oh, that yes, reboot to take effect, I think...to mount, though, mount /dev/hdd1 /media/windows -t ntfs -o umask=000
[08:06] <|QuaD-_> hey, if something is in the breezy database, how come its not apt-getable yet?
[08:06] <locomorto> Hey guys, i was looking aorund for a new Inkjet printer, and i was wondering what works the best in ubuntu?
[08:06] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: "in the breezy database"?
[08:07] <locomorto> QuaD, are you on breezy?
[08:07] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: breezy repos, according to breezy-changes
[08:07] <|QuaD-_> locomorto: yeah
[08:07] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-_, what is it?
[08:07] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: breezy-changes is source acceptance, not an indication that the source built and was moved to the master mirror
[08:07] <dabaSlon> locomorto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[08:07] <dabaSlon> heh
[08:08] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: ohhh ok
[08:08] <|QuaD-_> Burgundavia: tomboy, muine, etc
[08:08] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: is there a way to know when it was built and moved to master mirror?
[08:08] <dabaSlon> yes, try downloading, and it works:-P
[08:08] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: updates occur at :3 and :33
[08:08] <|QuaD-_> dabaSlon: lol
[08:09] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: these have been uploaded for a bunch of hours now
[08:09] <|QuaD-_> w
[08:09] <crimsun> muine 0.8.3-0ubuntu1 built successfully on ppc and i386
[08:10] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-_, are you using a local mirror?
[08:11] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: mine is only on 0.8.2
[08:11] <|QuaD-_> Burgundavia: nope, archive.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: have you updated?
[08:12] <crimsun> (presuming you're on ppc or i386, not amd64)
[08:12] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: yeah, i just did now too
[08:12] <|QuaD-_> i386
[08:13] <crimsun> yeah, it has been available for some hours -> Installed: 0.8.3-0ubuntu1
[08:13] <sysrq> past week or so I've had issues with packages not being on the server as well with breezy
[08:13] <crimsun> packages not being on the server?
[08:14] <sysrq> crimsun: after an update I would try to do a (dist-)upgrade and some debs would return 404's
[08:14] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: i am a moron, i never changed universe to breezy, i just changed the other 2
[08:14] <|QuaD-_> i feel dumb now
[08:14] <dabaSlon> its ok, Im dumb too.
[08:15] <crimsun> oh no, not EruditeH1rmit
[08:15] <crimsun> =)
[08:15] <|QuaD-_> they shouldn't hid it under that long comment ;)
[08:15] <DmD> has anyone been able to get an ntfs partition to be able to write?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> I did the same thing, in fact, at one point...I had main hoary, and all others breezy, and wondering why it upgraded that fast/
[08:15] <dabaSlon> DmD: I suppose that did not work taht well.
[08:15] <crimsun> DmD: you want something like captive
[08:16] <DmD> hmm
[08:16] <DmD>  maybe i'll set it up when i get another hdd
[08:18] <dabaSlon> crimsun: that is not in synaptic, though, hey?
[08:18] <DmD> right now i have an 80gb, and 120, running out of space on the 120, so i want a 200gb ;p
[08:18] <crimsun> dabaSlon: not afaik
[08:19] <dabaSlon> Ill google for afk, and afaik now...I hate when ppl use that, and I dont have a clue what they are talkin bout...
[08:19] <anethema> as far as i know
[08:19] <anethema> its VERY common usage, get used to it :)
[08:19] <dabaSlon> ok, got it, both
[08:19] <anethema> ask=away from keyb
[08:19] <dabaSlon> thanks, google:)
[08:20] <sysrq> or just install dict and start using that
[08:21] <DmD> bah
[08:21] <DmD> now what to do
[08:21] <dabaSlon> oh, you mean, a dictionary?
[08:21] <dabaSlon> yo, Ivoks.
[08:21] <sysrq> dabaSlon: no, I mean sudo apt-get install dict && dict afaik
[08:21] <ivoks> hey
[08:21] <sysrq> works wonders
[08:21] <dabaSlon> heh
[08:22] <dabaSlon> sysrq: I installed it through synaptic, is that gonna be ok?
[08:22] <sysrq> it doesn't matter, they both use dpkg in the end
[08:22] <DmD> is there a prorgam that can read my CPU temp for Ubuntu?
[08:22] <dabaSlon> I know, just teasing...
[08:23] <ivoks> DmD yes, cat
[08:23] <dabaSlon> yes there is,
[08:23] <ivoks> DmD cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature
[08:23] <DmD> ah sweet
[08:23] <DmD> one sec
[08:23] <benplaut> OK, i think i'll switch back to Gnome now
[08:23] <benplaut> brb
[08:24] <dabaSlon> hey mebaran151
[08:24] <dabaSlon> ok...
[08:24] <DmD> No such file or directory
[08:24] <DmD> after i typed that
[08:24] <ivoks> DmD then it can't
[08:24] <DmD> i had a program like that back on Windows
[08:24] <gorilla_> I got the same thing here... I install mbmon and that worked great :-)
[08:24] <dabaSlon> sysrq: so, dict word in a term, hey?
[08:25] <ivoks> DmD install gkrellm2 and plugins for it
[08:25] <sysrq> dabaSlon: dict word, yes
[08:25] <dabaSlon> thanks, I may use that:)
[08:26] <DmD> Couldn't find package gkrellm2
[08:26] <sysrq> DmD: get rid of the 2
[08:26] <DmD> same thing ;x
[08:26] <crimsun> make sure you have the universe repo enabled
[08:27] <mebaran151> hey dabaSlon
[08:27] <vladster> What repositories do I need to get transcode and the other files of that sort
[08:27] <mebaran151> I just got into Ruby
[08:27] <mebaran151> it is a very cool language
[08:27] <cyphase> hey, does anyone here run VHCS on a production server?
[08:27] <mebaran151> anyone know any good idees
[08:27] <mebaran151> IDE's
[08:27] <mebaran151> or at leat a good text editor
[08:27] <mebaran151> gedit just isnt as good
[08:27] <mebaran151> as vim gives me chills, respectful chills
[08:27] <mebaran151> the one time I had to use vi almost caused me seizure
[08:27] <crimsun> vladster: you need the testing debian-marillat one
[08:28] <benplaut> if you ever get the feeling that your Gnome is running a bit slow, and are too lazy to figure out why-
[08:28] <benplaut> switch to KDE for a day, and then appreciate the difference!
[08:28] <psychonate> uh, GNOME is bloated ;) ?
[08:28] <psychonate> switch to XFCE :)
[08:28] <vladster> for ubuntu?
[08:28] <mebaran151> XFCE
[08:28] <mebaran151> rocks
[08:29] <mebaran151> nuf said
[08:29] <psychonate> amen
[08:29] <benplaut> well... but it needs more GUI config tools
[08:29] <mebaran151> I mean nothing is cooler than a mouse
[08:29] <mebaran151> the GUI is for wimps
[08:29] <mebaran151> a real man uses Bash as his window manager
[08:29] <psychonate> benplaut: I dunno; I think the gui config is fine
[08:29] <dabaSlon> lol@mebaran151
[08:29] <psychonate> mebaran151: well, you need screen too
[08:29] <mebaran151> oh yeah
[08:29] <IcemanV9> cyphase: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25722
[08:29] <mebaran151> Bash on screen
[08:29] <dabaSlon> mice are totally cool...
[08:29] <mebaran151> that is window management
[08:29] <rj_> whats a good tool for viewing images? eye gnome is good, but i'd like to be able to click a button in the program and move on to the next image in the directory
[08:29] <mebaran151> I need a good ide
[08:30] <vladster> You got the entries I need?
[08:30] <psychonate> heh I just use ol' xv for images
[08:30] <cyphase> yes, i know IcemanV9
[08:30] <rj_> xzgv
[08:30] <crimsun> rj_: gliv, gthumb, gqview. I recommend the last.
[08:30] <IcemanV9> cyphase: k
[08:30] <cyphase> i just had some questions for anyone using it
[08:30] <rj_> thanks :)
[08:30] <dabaSlon> rj_: I use the image viewer
[08:31] <anethema> yeah
[08:31] <rj_> naivgating porn pictures should be easier by default
[08:31] <anethema> gnome image viewer
[08:31] <rj_> :-/
[08:31] <anethema> bah pictures
[08:31] <anethema> sudo apt-get install pan
[08:31] <anethema> alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.amateur
[08:31] <anethema> ;)
[08:31] <benplaut> rj_: there are other uses for those utils, too
[08:31] <dabaSlon> crimsun: what else do you recommend, while I have my synaptic open?
[08:31] <Twiggy> Hey I've got two sound cards on my machine and Ubuntu seems to be using teh wrong one by default, how can I tell it to use the other?
[08:32] <crimsun> Twiggy: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:32] <Twiggy> crimsun: it's the intel8x0 that I don't want
[08:32] <Twiggy> emu10k1 is there, I want that
[08:32] <crimsun> Twiggy: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:32] <rj_> gqview rocks :)
[08:32] <Twiggy> ty sir
[08:33] <dabaSlon> crimsun: too not specific, hey?
[08:34] <vladster> crimsun: you have the suitable entries for merilat handy?
[08:34] <crimsun> dabaSlon: don't know what you're looking for ;)
[08:34] <crimsun> vladster: are you on i386, ppc, or amd64?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> nothing really, I always install what you recommend, though...
[08:34] <vladster> 386
[08:35] <dabaSlon> how about ppc, too,. while you are at it.
[08:35] <crimsun> vladster: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[08:35] <crimsun> dabaSlon: should be able to use mplayer from multiverse
[08:36] <anethema> well what about stable and unstable
[08:36] <anethema> could add those too :)
[08:36] <dabaSlon> I am not...I installed it on this PC, and it does not run anything, just hangs.
[08:36] <crimsun> dabaSlon: on ppc?
[08:37] <crimsun> anethema: unstable would create problems unless one pinned; stable is consumed in testing
[08:37] <dabaSlon> I just had to change the plugin, doh
[08:37] <anethema> ah yeah
[08:37] <anethema> cool crimsun
[08:37] <ivoks> back...
[08:37] <anethema> does it hang if you just run gmplayer without any file dabaSlon ?
[08:38] <anethema> wonder if its your sound messed up..lots of times thats why it hangs
[08:38] <dabaSlon> anethema: thanks, fixed.
[08:38] <anethema> waiting for sound
[08:38] <dabaSlon> just had to change sound plugin...
[08:38] <anethema> oh
[08:38] <anethema> cool
[08:38] <crimsun> it would hang unless -ao esd was used
[08:38] <anethema> alsa
[08:38] <anethema> hehe
[08:38] <anethema> or esd yes
[08:38] <dabaSlon> when I read the symptoms, worked
[08:38] <dabaSlon> right, now its working, when esd is used.
[08:38] <anethema> alsa would work if you set dmix up anyways
[08:38] <ivoks> yep
[08:38] <dabaSlon> How do you add marillat to PPC, though?
[08:39] <crimsun> the ppc debian-marillat uses some packages from Debian Sid
[08:39] <dabaSlon> I dont really need it, anyhow...
[08:39] <jacquesmerde> man, my googling skills are shithouse. i've installed wine but now i want to install a windows program off cd. can someone give me the standard url so i can RTFM
[08:39] <ivoks> firefox1.1 will be great
[08:39] <crimsun> wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe ?
[08:40] <dabaSlon> I wish my laptop support for poer management was better.
[08:40] <dabaSlon> Then I could use Linux, this way, not really.
[08:40] <anethema> buying a ppc computer then installing linux on it really seems like a waste to me
[08:40] <ivoks> ?
[08:40] <vladster> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[08:40] <vladster> 01:36 < anethema> could add those too :)
[08:40] <ivoks> ah... ppc
[08:41] <anethema> why pay vastly overpriced hardware...then run linux
[08:41] <anethema> might as well at least get osx out of the deal
[08:41] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, so all i do is mount the cd, the run wine with the cd's install file as its argument (i assume i just cant use its autorun). i dont need to trawl through how-to's, user forums, etc?
[08:41] <anethema> jacquesmerde, yea, ideally
[08:41] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: generally that's all
[08:41] <dabaSlon> anethema: the particular machine is cheaper PPC, than PC...
[08:41] <dabaSlon> Check out prices on 12" laptops...
[08:41] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, wait, coz its ubuntu i dont even have to mount the cd myself
[08:41] <anethema> correct
[08:41] <anethema> heh
[08:42] <anethema> should automount, ideally :)
[08:42] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, its a fairly low-level app re windows interface, so it should be problem-free?
[08:42] <vladster> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:42] <crimsun> you can even configure the autorun
[08:42] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, configure the autorun?
[08:42] <crimsun> wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:43] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: is there a reason why gnome-blog is still .7?
[08:43] <|QuaD-_> not .8?
[08:43] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:43] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: yeah, there's a(n) automount preferences
[08:43] <jacquesmerde> if my CPU usage is at 100% when ubuntu slowly loads a program, does that mean the CPU is the bottleneck?
[08:43] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, is that in wine-utils?
[08:43] <crimsun> jacquesmerde: (System>Preferences)
[08:43] <dabaSlon> crimsun: you said kansas?
[08:44] <anethema> damn crimsun you're wokring faster than i was this morning
[08:44] <crimsun> dabaSlon: I said Kansas about a week ago at the music store, yes ;)
[08:44] <jacquesmerde> crimsun, heh, i'm sure i wont need to use the autorun. setup.exe it is
[08:44] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:44] <dabaSlon> ok, you teach at KSU?
[08:44] <crimsun> dabaSlon: no, NC A&T
[08:44] <vladster> I get a public key error from marrilat
[08:44] <jacquesmerde> anyone want to help me write this essay? "is there anything that does not exist?"
[08:44] <crimsun> vladster: see the url dabaSlon pasted
[08:45] <dabaSlon> jacquesmerde: haha
[08:45] <dabaSlon> nothing does not exist
[08:45] <ivoks> dabaSlon deb  http://honk.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~agx/linux-ppc/debian/ mplayer/
[08:45] <dabaSlon> if it does, show me...
[08:45] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: anything major in 0.8?
[08:45] <jacquesmerde> dabaSlon, as in there is nothing that does not exist, or the thing that IS nothing does not exist?
[08:45] <dabaSlon> Why an\m I being charged with that?
[08:46] <dabaSlon> did I ask for installing MPlayer in PPC?
[08:46] <crimsun> probably because you mentioned ppc and mplayer
[08:46] <dabaSlon> ok...cool
[08:46] <ivoks> dabaSlon u didn't?
[08:46] <dabaSlon> thanks, though.
[08:46] <dabaSlon> Not really.
[08:46] <ivoks> ok
[08:46] <dabaSlon> jacquesmerde: as I said, a "Nothing" does not exist, if it does, show me it.
[08:47] <dabaSlon> Make it an essay about god, hah
[08:47] <DmD> is there a weather program for Ubuntu?
[08:48] <dabaSlon> there is one on the panel
[08:48] <dabaSlon> Add to panel, weather report, something.
[08:48] <anethema> yeah
[08:48] <DmD> alright thans
[08:48] <anethema> if that doesnt tickle you enough, search apt for weather
[08:48] <DmD> thanks even
[08:48] <anethema> tons of hits
[08:48] <DmD> just wanna customize my Ubuntu :)
[08:49] <ivoks> DmD yes, check out ur windows :)
[08:49] <dabaSlon> go nuts:)
[08:49] <dabaSlon> three smiley faces
[08:49] <DmD> heh
[08:49] <dabaSlon> but, then again, whos counting smiley faces, anyhow....
[08:50] <gorilla_> dabaSlon, ummm you were ... heh
[08:50] <anethema> yes clearly he was..hypocrite! :D
[08:51] <gorilla_> anethema: lol
[08:51] <sean__> TONIGHT
[08:51] <sean__> MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
[08:51] <sean__> LOWS AROUND 60. SOUTHEAST WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH. CHANCE OF RAIN 50
[08:51] <sean__> PERCENT.
[08:52] <sean__> ah yeah
[08:52] <anethema> heh
[08:52] <DmD> 63f right now
[08:52] <DmD> got the windows open
[08:52] <DmD> ;x
[08:52] <ivoks> DmD you are in USA?
[08:52] <rj_> how do i get more info about a package before installing it with apt-get
[08:52] <DmD> ivoks:  yes
[08:53] <anethema> rj...look in synaptic
[08:53] <anethema> look for the pkg name
[08:53] <DmD> where are you from?
[08:53] <anethema> shows descriptions when you clikc it
[08:53] <rj_> anethema: theres a way via cli, afaik
[08:53] <anethema> can also see all its dependancies
[08:54] <jacquesmerde> dabaSlon, if i could show it to you, obviously it would exist. is there anything i CAN'T show you?
[08:54] <anethema> rj, use aptitude
[08:54] <dabaSlon> see, so it does not exist.
[08:54] <anethema> CL version of synaptic kinda
[08:54] <anethema> eheh
[08:54] <DmD> is there an uptime thing i can add to the panel too?
[08:55] <DmD> i know how to do it in terminal but i was just wondering
[08:55] <ivoks> rj_ what's the problem?
[08:55] <dabaSlon> 1:53:45) rj_: how do i get more info about a package before installing it with apt-get
[08:55] <crimsun> apt-listchanges, if the package is already installed
[08:55] <rj_> apt-cache show pkg
[08:55] <ivoks> rj_ apt-cache, apt-file, apt-listchanges...
[08:56] <ivoks> there are a lot of tools...
[08:56] <rj_> thank you :)
[08:56] <anethema> there ya go
[08:56] <anethema> sweet
[08:56] <jacquesmerde> dabaSlon, if i COULD show you a good night in bed with two carrots, a skimpy nazi uniform, and a beach umbrella, does that mean it would exist even if i didn't show it to you?
[08:57] <ivoks> apt-cache show wifi-radar
[08:57] <ivoks> :)
[08:57] <ivoks> nice :)
[08:57] <rj_> hehe :)
[08:58] <ivoks> Maintainer: Ante Karamatic <ivoks@grad.hr>
[08:58] <ivoks> :))
[08:58] <DmD> anyone know if theres an uptime plugin i can add to the panel?
[08:58] <rj_> i don't have that package :(
[08:58] <ivoks> rj_ i know :)
[08:58] <ivoks> noone does
[08:58] <rj_> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[08:58] <rj_> that's cool :)
[08:59] <rj_> ivoks: do you have it on a repo?
[08:59] <ivoks> DmD u should really check out gdesklets
[08:59] <ivoks> rj_ http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[08:59] <ivoks> rj_ u have deb package there, just install it
[08:59] <DmD> alright
[08:59] <DmD> apt-get isntall gdesklets?
[09:00] <ivoks> yes
[09:00] <rj_> ivoks: any plans on getting it into universe?
[09:00] <ivoks> rj_ yes, but in breezy
[09:00] <rj_> im using breezy :)
[09:00] <dabaSlon> jacquesmerde: thats where it ends:-P
[09:00] <ivoks> rj_ well, it's candidate and i reported it for a review
[09:00] <zerokarmaleft> isn't postgresql's default setup supposed to allow local adminstration from any user?
[09:01] <zerokarmaleft> i can't do any admin tasks with postgresql's tools
[09:01] <rj_> ivoks: whats a good wireless-g card pci card for use with linux :(
[09:01] <DmD> Couldn't find package gdesklets
[09:02] <gorilla_> zerokarmaleft, not when I have installed it... you need to sudo su postgres.
[09:02] <ivoks> rj_ any with prism2 chip
[09:02] <gorilla_> DmD, I have it installed in Hoary but it crashes when adding it to the panel :-(
[09:02] <rj_> man, beagle rocks
[09:03] <DmD> ohh
[09:03] <rj_> i wonder when it will make it's way into breezy, i got it working here on a local install of breezy
[09:03] <jacquesmerde> dabaSlon, fine.....ONE carrot...
[09:03] <jacquesmerde> .........three?....
[09:03] <ivoks> rj_ create package and report it
[09:03] <DmD> what's the command again to open a tar?
[09:03] <DmD> i always forget ;x
[09:03] <whiteknight> tar -xvf
[09:03] <DmD> ty
[09:03] <gorilla_> tar xzvf tar ballname
[09:04] <gorilla_> tar xzvf tar_ballname rather
[09:04] <rj_> ivoks: i might do it, any suggestions for a good guide on creating packages?
[09:04] <psychonate> er, what is the default root password?
[09:04] <ivoks> rj_ i was searching for one yestrday...
[09:04] <DmD> tar xzvf wifi-radar-1.9.3.tar.gz
[09:04] <DmD> alright i did that
[09:04] <gorilla_> psychonate, under ubuntu there is no root passwd.
[09:04] <DmD> then it scrolled a few lines
[09:04] <ivoks> rj_ didn't find it... there is allway debian policy u should check
[09:04] <rj_> ivoks: any luck :)
[09:05] <psychonate> uh, I'm sort of confused here
[09:05] <psychonate> sudo?
[09:05] <rj_> ivoks: let me mail one of the ubuntu mailing list
[09:05] <ivoks> rj_ in the end, i copied stuff from other sources and edit them to fit my package
[09:05] <whiteknight> psychonate, its your user password
[09:05] <gorilla_> psai_, sudo uses your own password.
[09:05] <whiteknight> gorilla_, wrong person :p
[09:06] <psychonate> er, so I can only sudo su with my user password?
[09:06] <rj_> lol, my workstation is a mix of ubuntu/breezy/hoary/debian/sarge/unstable/testing
[09:06] <gorilla_> whiteknight, oops sill tab auto completion :-P
[09:06] <whiteknight> there is a way to set a root password
[09:06] <ivoks> rj_ ?
[09:06] <whiteknight> check out www.ubuntuguide.org (i think thats right)
[09:06] <ivoks> rj_ testing and sarge are same thing, and there is no debian :)
[09:06] <rj_> ivoks: it's all working :)
[09:07] <psychonate> Why is there no plain root password?
[09:07] <dabaSlon> so that security is satisfied.
[09:07] <ivoks> ?
[09:07] <ivoks> omg
[09:07] <gorilla_> psychonate, because it a bad to be doing everything as root...
[09:07] <ivoks> that's not securtiy feature!
[09:07] <dabaSlon> root account is disabled...
[09:07] <ivoks> that's not securtiy feature!
[09:07] <dabaSlon> what is it, ivoks?
[09:08] <Segosa> does anyone know, when using iptables, whether if you block all incoming packets it includes _all_, or only ones which are attempting to connect to you
[09:08] <jbmigel> hey how does that little hoary update monitor application know there are updates without me giving it sudo password? who gave it root??
[09:08] <ivoks> if u look better, this way is less secure than with normal root account
[09:08] <psychonate> gorilla_, What if you actually do know what you are doing lol
[09:08] <ivoks> if u have root account, attacker shhould know 2 passwords
[09:08] <dabaSlon> ok, then, sure, I do not wanna go into that...
[09:08] <rOss^FX> hello folks .. since my processor is AMD and supports SSE2 ? should i use the PiV kernel ?
[09:08] <jacquesmerde> jbmigel, why would it need to be root?
[09:08] <psychonate> I just wanted to change my xorg.conf a bit
[09:08] <gorilla_> psychonate, you can still stuff up with a typo...
[09:08] <jbmigel> jacquesmerde i cant apt-get update without a sudo in front... how does it??
[09:09] <Segosa> people should learn a lesson when they rm -rf / accidentally on root
[09:09] <Segosa> their fault
[09:09] <psychonate> I'd rather just have root I think
[09:09] <ivoks> with sudo it is easier to create working desktop
[09:09] <ivoks> that's why it is used
[09:09] <psychonate> I have never 'rm -rf /'
[09:09] <rj_> ivoks: it's scary - http://atlantica.homeip.net/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <ivoks> but, u can allways enable root and use both
[09:09] <gorilla_> ivoks, if an attacker as a root password then it is game over, likewise if the you have "allow all" sudo access.
[09:09] <psychonate> are there any limitations on the 'sudo su'?
[09:09] <Segosa> whicih I have done ivoks
[09:09] <dabaSlon> maybe there is a block, too
[09:09] <jacquesmerde> jbmigel, i'm guessing its not sudo apt-get updating. sudo apt-get update alters file not in your home directory. but any user can look online for available packages, look at instralled packages and compare
[09:10] <psychonate> ah, I need to restart X; 60Hz kills me
[09:10] <dabaSlon> rj_: wow
[09:10] <Jimbob> psychonate: or "sudo -s" or "sudo -i"
[09:10] <ivoks> gorilla_ well, when attacker has root password, on right setup he can't do anything
[09:10] <psychonate> I'm not very familiar with sudo; I've never really used it much
[09:10] <psychonate> brb
[09:10] <ivoks> gorilla_ couse u can disallow root login on console and over ssh
[09:10] <Segosa> does anyone know, when using iptables, whether if you block all incoming packets it includes _all_, or only ones which are attempting to connect to you (syn packets) ;/?
[09:10] <transgress> yeah it's in the conf
[09:10] <gorilla_> ivoks, which is not a typical ubuntu or debain install..
[09:10] <ivoks> gorilla_ this way he must do su from plain user
[09:11] <rj_> dabaSlon: i know
[09:11] <ivoks> gorilla_ then u can allow only special users to su, not all
[09:11] <gorilla_> I perfer to have the sudo log to say who modified file X.
[09:11] <jbmigel> jacquesmerde you mean any user can see all packages i have installed? thats even worse!
[09:11] <rOss^FX> anyone else have AMD FX? and running ubuntu? in i686 mode?
[09:11] <ivoks> gorilla_ this 2-password security u can't get with sudo
[09:11] <zerokarmaleft> gorilla_, thanks
[09:11] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: uploaded.
[09:12] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: should be available in the repos in 21 minutes
[09:12] <ivoks> time to eat something :)
[09:12] <gorilla_> using a root password, you only know that userX uses su but you have no idea what they did in the meantime.
[09:12] <ivoks> crimsun what will be available?
[09:12] <crimsun> ivoks: |QuaD-_ asked for a gnome-blog update.
[09:12] <psychonate> well, as long as sudo su works alright then I guess I don't care
[09:12] <gorilla_> anyway, I'm not arguing the point any further as it is really Ot for channel.
[09:12] <psychonate> ah, 85Hz is much more comfortable :)
[09:13] <ivoks> crimsun ah... review my wiki-radar, please :)
[09:13] <ivoks> lol wiki.. wifi
[09:13] <jacquesmerde> jbmigel, why wouldnt it? doesnt any user have read access to all files on disc?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> not all...
[09:14] <gorilla_> jacquesmerde, try reading /etc/shadow for example as a normal user.
[09:14] <dabaSlon> and if I make a file, and 700, no
[09:14] <jacquesmerde> i'm assuming the only part of apt-get update that needs to be sudo'ed is the part where it actually writes the info to file
[09:14] <dabaSlon> could be right
[09:14] <jacquesmerde> gorilla_, well, there arent TOO many exceptions are there?
[09:15] <dabaSlon> how many is too many?
[09:15] <gorilla_> jacquesmerde, and obtaining a lock to prevent multiple instantances of apt utils trying to change the database.
[09:15] <gorilla_> jacquesmerde, there are plenty of situation where you restrict access by some users.
[09:16] <jbmigel> jacquesmerde you know your right! I was just worried that it was back-dooring or something, thanks for help!
[09:16] <psychonate> I'm surprised Ubuntu can include the nvidia drivers. I thought there was some licensing issue or something with that
[09:16] <|QuaD-_>  crimsun thanks
[09:16] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: np
[09:17] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: didn't know you were a MOTU
[09:18] <psychonate> 'nvidia-glx-config enable' won't update my config because it has been altered lol
[09:19] <psychonate> guess I'll manually update
[09:24] <topyli> that's smart, not to touch a config file that has been modified by the admin
[09:24] <jbmigel> anyone here play d00m3 on ubuntu through id's linux client with windows disks?
[09:24] <jacquesmerde> jbmigel, i was just guessing. i have no idea how apt works
[09:24] <jbmigel> lol
[09:24] <psychonate> topyli, Are you referring to my comment?
[09:24] <topyli> yes
[09:25] <psychonate> I was just changing driver "nv" to driver "nvidia" heh
[09:25] <jbmigel> psychonate i think you also have to add nvidia to modules file so its loaded at startup
[09:25] <psychonate> I'll check in a second
[09:25] <psychonate> it's loaded atm at least
[09:26] <topyli> psychonate: well, i guess a dumb update script can't tell if you changed a comment or wrote a whole new file :)
[09:26] <psychonate> well, I didn't really have a problem with it
[09:26] <psychonate> this synaptic seems nice, but I don't see xfce. Do I need to add a repository or something?
[09:27] <jbmigel> psychonate it is in universe
[09:27] <psychonate> Universe?
[09:28] <psychonate> I'm not quite sure what you mean.
[09:28] <jbmigel> psychonate yes the "universe" repository... if you open /etc/apt/source.list just uncomment the 4 lines that end in universe
[09:28] <dabaSlon_sleep> ggod night, everyone.
[09:28] <psychonate> oh, ok
[09:28] <psychonate> thanks
[09:28] <jbmigel> np
[09:29] <psychonate> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:30] <psychonate> old URL or something?
[09:30] <brosio> nvdia-kernel-source contain the source driver of "nv" or "nvidia" ?
[09:31] <_joey> how's ubuntu different from debian ?
[09:32] <jbmigel> psychonate your url looks mangled... first one should be deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[09:32] <|QuaD-_> what is the process:  ssh w
[09:32] <|QuaD-_> blah
[09:32] <|QuaD-_> multiload-apple
[09:33] <_joey> does it come with 16K packages ?
[09:33] <benplaut> your insights: Paneshift vs Eternal Lands?
[09:33] <benplaut> 
[09:33] <_joey> somebody run apt-cache search . | wc -l
[09:33] <_joey> :)
[09:34] <psychonate> jbmigel, looks OK in the file
[09:34] <jbmigel> _joey ubuntu is debian sid (unstable) tested and released ahead of debian schedule... ubuntu maintains their own package repositories that are mostly the same as deb
[09:34] <_joey> ubuntu is debian sid tested and released ?!
[09:34] <_joey> a big statement
[09:35] <_joey> :)
[09:35] <jbmigel> _joey yes well how about its "based" on sid and we all hope it works ;)
[09:35] <psychonate> lol
[09:36] <_joey> run apt-cache search . | wc -l
[09:36] <_joey> who are package maintainers? boys and girls from the street?
[09:36] <_joey> ;)
[09:36] <jbmigel> 16352
[09:37] <_joey> okay, cool
[09:37] <psychonate> xfce4, thou art beautiful :)
[09:38] <_joey> www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/cards8.png
[09:38] <_joey> main is zzee best
[09:38] <jbmigel> psychonate haha is that the xfce version with the little transparent menubar on the bottom?
[09:39] <psychonate> ah, I don't see any transparency as of yet
[09:39] <Amaranth> are we showing off desktops? :)
[09:40] <psychonate> give me some time here; I just got this installed
[09:40] <_joey> have you got anything to show off?
[09:40] <psychonate> heh
[09:40] <_joey> :)
[09:40] <freewoody> How do I start Nagat to administer Nagios on a web interface
[09:40] <jbmigel> psychonate i think you need to enable composite extensions in xorg.conf...
[09:40] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/iwin.png
[09:40] <mipfi> how can i look which sound device esp use =
[09:40] <psychonate> jbmigel, I have no idea how to do that
[09:41] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: gnome-blog not updating
[09:41] <psychonate> jbmigel, but if you tell me how, I'll give it a try ;)
[09:41] <Amaranth> check out the sweet tomboy/beagle/blam trio :D
[09:41] <jbmigel> psychonate did you get your graphics drivers properly installed?
[09:41] <freewoody> Amaranth, how do I start Nagat in a browser ?
[09:42] <psychonate> jbmigel, yep, everything looks kosher
[09:42] <Amaranth> freewoody: I don't even know what Nagat is.
[09:42] <psychonate> decent numbers in glxgears
[09:42] <gorilla_> Amaranth, nice wallpaper :-)
[09:42] <psychonate> well, good as this card can get lol
[09:42] <jbmigel> so like "glxinfo | grep direct" says yes and all
[09:42] <freewoody> Well its a web extention to Nagios
[09:42] <Amaranth> gorilla_: I have no idea where it came from, but thanks. :)
[09:42] <psychonate> yep, good ol' nvidia logo and all heh
[09:44] <jbmigel> sweet... ok you edit your xorg.conf and add some junk at the end.... Section "Extensions" <enter> Option "Composite" "Enable" <enter> EndSection
[09:44] <bob2> bear in mind composite will make X slower and crashier
[09:45] <psychonate> no harm in trying it out
[09:45] <psychonate> ...I hope
[09:45] <psychonate> lol
[09:45] <jbmigel> he is running xfce it barely changes anything cuz it doesnt do much
[09:45] <bob2> are you sure that is the case?
[09:46] <jbmigel> ive done it before, all it does is make the taskbar transparent... there is no shadows or window trans enabled unless you run one of them stupid extra apps
[09:46] <Jimbob> xcompmgr is the "extra stupid app" in question, BTW :-)
[09:46] <psychonate> alright, I guess I'll have to restart X
[09:46] <_joey> okay
[09:46] <_joey> first I 'd try ubuntu in vmware :)
[09:46] <jbmigel> yeah
[09:47] <psychonate> brb
[09:49] <psychonate> hmm, what is supposed to be transparent?
[09:49] <jbmigel> the task bar at the bottom
[09:49] <_joey> jbmigel ubuntu is more stable than debian sid?
[09:49] <freewoody> I am getting Access Denied when starting Webmin
[09:49] <jbmigel> _joey if you say so
[09:49] <psychonate> I have a taskbar at the top and an XFCE panel at the bottom, neither of which are transparent :(
[09:49] <_joey> don't know, I didn't use ubuntu
[09:50] <jbmigel> psychonate are you sure? its supposed to auto pick up on it...
[09:50] <gorilla_> _joey, most opf the packages for ubuntu is more up to date than sid... more stable??? I'll leave that one up to you..
[09:50] <psychonate> jbmigel, I believe my config is alright, but you can check it out in #flood if you want
[09:50] <brosio> my hd that is ata133 do only 9mb/sec of transfer with hdparm... maybe it use wrong driver ?
[09:50] <brosio> whichc should use ?
[09:51] <_joey> hmm
[09:52] <gorilla_> brosio, 133 is Hertz not bits so i suspected that 9Mbits is around about right... there is overhead data across sata devices.
[09:53] <jbmigel> psychonate i dont know why not says xfce4.2 started using it
[09:53] <brosio> goldfish_, dont said stupid thing....
[09:53] <psychonate> jbmigel, let me check my exact XFCE version quick
[09:53] <brosio> ops gorilla_ ...
[09:54] <jbmigel> psychonate 4.2.1.1
[09:54] <psychonate> jbmigel, Where can I check. The docs at least say 4.2.0
[09:54] <jbmigel> psychonate you can look at it in synaptic
[09:55] <psychonate> oh
[09:55] <gorilla_> .part
[09:57] <jbmigel> psychonate ya you might also have to install the "transset" and "xcompmgr" packages aswell to get it going but its really not worth all the trouble... bob2 was right in that it is just a waste of resources
[09:57] <psychonate> well, I'll install them in case I ever feel like trying them at least
[09:59] <psychonate> I'm liking this synaptic, and there seem to be a good many packages
[10:00] <g14> psychonate, have you enabled the universe and multiverse repositories?
[10:00] <g14> psychonate, that makes alot more
[10:00] <psychonate> g14, universe yes; multiverse probably not
[10:00] <psychonate> first though
[10:01] <g14> psychonate, you should enable it and allow even more software
[10:01] <psychonate> How can I get Ubuntu to fetch packages from online rather than my installation CD
[10:01] <topyli> freewoody: i enabled root, logged in as root, fixed permissions for myself, then disbled root again :)
[10:01] <psychonate> I dislike using my cdrom drive for package installation
[10:01] <g14> topyli, why ever enable root when sudo -s is the equivalent of a root shell?
[10:01] <yahalom> my /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten by my isp and i dont want that how i do i prevent that? chmod what?
[10:01] <jbmigel> psychonate comment out the first line of your /etc/apt/sources.list it should be cdrom
[10:01] <bob2> yahalom: why don't you want that?
[10:01] <topyli> g14: he was asking about webmin. it doesn't honor the power of sudo :)
[10:01] <g14> chmod 444
[10:02] <psychonate> jbmigel, gracias
[10:02] <yahalom> bob2, cos my dns server is slow
[10:02] <g14> topyli, ok, I missed something
[10:03] <yahalom> bob2, so i use one in orlando
[10:03] <psychonate> I don't see a commented multiverse entry in my sources.list. WIll I have to add one myself?
[10:03] <g14> psychonate, Open up synaptic
[10:03] <bob2> yahalom: then edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[10:03] <_joey> yahalom disable usepeerdns in ppp if use pppd
[10:03] <bob2> yahalom: I'd guess the prepend domain... line is what you want
[10:04] <psychonate> g14, righty
[10:04] <thoreauputic> psychonate: add the word multiverse om ech universe line
[10:04] <yahalom> bob2, i just want it to be non writeable
[10:04] <yahalom> bob2,or wont that do it?
[10:04] <bob2> yahalom: right, instead of configuring it properly
[10:04] <psychonate> ah, one instructor at a time lol
[10:04] <g14> psychonate, Settings -> Repositories. Click Add. Then click Universe and Multiverse. ok, ok, and your all set
[10:04] <jbmigel> hahaha
[10:05] <yahalom> bob2, my isp keeps refreshig my dns i dont want to use that, i want to use the orlando one if there is a better waytell me :)
[10:05] <bob2> yahalom: I did tell you and you ignored me
[10:05] <bob2> 18:03:40 @         bob2 | yahalom: then edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[10:05] <bob2> 18:03:52 @         bob2 | yahalom: I'd guess the prepend domain... line is what you want
[10:05] <yahalom> bob2, no i didnt :) i'm there.
[10:06] <psychonate> I think I added universe already, but I added it just for kicks
[10:06] <jbmigel> psychonate http://ubuntuguide.org/ ;)
[10:06] <yahalom> bob2, what do i need to do with the prepend domain?
[10:07] <psychonate> it's 4 AM. I just wanted to get a quick jumpstart before I go to sleep heh
[10:07] <g14> OT: This is funny http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/celebgay.html
[10:07] <yahalom> bob2, my prepend domain doesnt reflect my servers dns, which i'm trying to replace
[10:07] <bob2> yahalom: #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
[10:07] <yahalom> bob2, right
[10:07] <g14> Just curious, does anyone in here work for canonical?
[10:08] <bob2> yahalom: I would assume uncommenting that line and using your orlandian dns server would make it use that in preference to what your isp tells you to use
[10:08] <bob2> g14: yes
[10:08] <g14> bob2, is canonical still working on their new revolution of a decentralized version control system?
[10:09] <bob2> of course
[10:09] <bob2> two of them, no less
[10:09] <g14> bob2, One of my buddies (Nathan Mcallum) used to work for canonical but decided to quit and was telling me about it
[10:09] <g14> hes a python master
[10:09] <bob2> g14: right, I met him when he worked with us
[10:09] <bob2> nice guy
[10:10] <g14> bob2, oh cool. He goes to seminary here in town and is in my LUG
[10:10] <bob2> the two prongs of attack are http://bazaar.canonical.com/ which is in wide use now, and http://www.bazaar-ng.org/ which will be rocking the house in a few months
[10:10] <bob2> ahh, yeah
[10:11] <|QuaD-_> bob2: what is the difference between the 2 of them
[10:11] <|QuaD-_> bazaar and bazaa-ng
[10:11] <|QuaD-_> *bazaar-ng
[10:11] <g14> bob2, He disagreed with some stuff that gets bundled with ubuntu and decided to leave canonical because it. Hes actually the guy who got me hooked on my first debian distro
[10:11] <bob2> bazaar is derived from tla which is Arch, which has some basic design problems
[10:11] <bob2> and is in C
[10:12] <bob2> bazaar-ng is an entirely new tool written in python, which is based on the ideas of lots of systems
[10:12] <bob2> including darcs, monotone, subversion and arch.
[10:12] <bob2> g14: ah, I see
[10:12] <|QuaD-_> bob2: so why is their continued development on bazaar?
[10:12] <g14> Totally decentralized version control for building components of a distro
[10:12] <yahalom> bob2,ah ok. uncomment it too obviously?
[10:12] <bob2> |QuaD-_: because bzr barely exists yet
[10:12] <yahalom> bob2, i can add several as long as i use the ; ?
[10:12] <psychonate> I've got another drive I want to mount as /share. If I want my normal user to have read/write/everything access to the contents of the drive, what permissions should I put on /share?
[10:13] <bob2> |QuaD-_: and we need/want a tool *now*, as well as an awesome one in the future
[10:13] <bob2> yahalom: uncomment it, yes
[10:13] <ivoks_> g14 who's that guy?
[10:13] <bob2> yahalom: I'd assume you'd need a seperate line for each dns server you want to prepend
[10:13] <yahalom> bob2, this will work with adsl too?
[10:13] <|QuaD-_> bob2: interesting
[10:13] <bob2> |QuaD-_: also, bazaar's continued development means I have a job ;-p
[10:13] <|QuaD-_> bob2: lol
[10:13] <bob2> yahalom: if you use dhcp to get your details, yes
[10:14] <bob2> psychonate: chmod ugo=rwx /share/
[10:14] <bob2> psychonate: or do you mean "I have a fat32 drive I want to mount as /share/ ..."?
[10:14] <psychonate> no no
[10:14] <psychonate> ext3
[10:14] <psychonate> it seems to work alright with the default permissions actually
[10:14] <g14> ivoks_, well now, hes a big gentoo developer and a ubuntu evangelist
[10:14] <psychonate> I just made an fstab entry, made the dir, mounted
[10:14] <psychonate> seems to work fine
[10:15] <yahalom> bob2, so just add it under it? or add the whole sentence?
[10:15] <bob2> yahalom: another instance of the whole line, I would think
[10:15] <jbmigel> psychonate add in fstab but the umask sets read/write for mount /dev/hda1       /share  ext3    umask=000       0       0
[10:15] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: do you mean 0.8-0ubuntu1 is not functioning correctly, or do you mean the updated package has not appeared?
[10:15] <bob2> jbmigel: dude, no
[10:15] <bob2> jbmigel: that is not what you do with linux drives.
[10:16] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: it appeared at :3 not :33
[10:16] <psychonate> jbmigel, I just copied the entry for my other drive basically
[10:16] <psychonate> and changed the mount point and device
[10:16] <ivoks_> g14 ok
[10:16] <psychonate> /dev/hdb        /share          ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:16] <jbmigel> bob2 ya whats the matter? other than picking the right /dev/hda2??
[10:16] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: sure.
[10:16] <yahalom> bob2, u sure or just guessing? ;)
[10:16] <bob2> jbmigel: umask is not a valid (or useful) option to set for unix drives
[10:16] <bob2> yahalom: I'm guessing
[10:16] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: :)
[10:16] <bob2> yahalom: but I'd be surprised if I was wrong
[10:16] <jbmigel> bob2 why not?
[10:16] <Freezing> Hi, I've some a question... Is it possible to change port to use with GNOME BitTorrent?
[10:17] <|QuaD-_> blah! gnome-blog will still not add to my panel!
[10:17] <psychonate> er, you mean you want to change the port that your client uses?
[10:17] <Freezing> yeap
[10:17] <bob2> jbmigel: it's a proper linux filesystem.  you can just set the permissions on the filesystem itself directly.
[10:17] <psychonate> Bittornado gui?
[10:17] <Freezing> :)
[10:17] <yahalom> bob2, ok we'll see, thanx :)
[10:17] <bob2> no, gnome-bittorent, I assume
[10:17] <psychonate> in preferences, you can specify the port range
[10:18] <bob2> yahalom: np...if it doesn't work, please do tell me so I know for next time...
[10:18] <psychonate> (at least in the bittornado gui, and probably in other clients)
[10:18] <|QuaD-_> "The Panel encountered a problem while loading "'OAFIID:GNOME_BlogApplet'" is the error i get when i try to ad it to my panel
[10:18] <psychonate> you'll probably need to forward the ports though if you're behind a router or something
[10:18] <yahalom> bob2, yeah will do, so just making it non writeable wouldnt work just as well, just curious
[10:19] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: there's a newer version in Sid, I'll just ask for a sync from there
[10:19] <psychonate> I appreciate how Ubuntu uses "modes" in the xorg.conf instead of that virtual crap
[10:19] <Freezing> thx, so i have to download another client
[10:19] <jbmigel> bob2 your probably right like what do i know
[10:19] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: i had this problem with .7. i thought that .8 would fix it
[10:19] <psychonate> it's the small things in life that make me happy
[10:20] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: hmm, can you reproduce with a new user account?
[10:20] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: new user account?
[10:20] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: a new user on your breezy install
[10:20] <crimsun> ala adduser
[10:20] <|QuaD-_> oh, lemme check
[10:22] <|QuaD-_> does gnome have fast user switching?
[10:22] <g14> Sort of
[10:22] <|QuaD-_> g14: ?
[10:22] <g14> http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[10:22] <g14> |QuaD-_, still needs some work, but it is usable on this computer
[10:23] <|QuaD-_> i will use xnest instead
[10:25] <g14> |QuaD-_, try gdmflexiserver
[10:25] <yahalom> anyone here use adsl?
[10:25] <cyphase> hey
[10:25] <yahalom> umm...who here uses adsl? better
[10:25] <g14> |QuaD-_, that will lock the current screen and open up GDM for login on another display
[10:26] <Fackamato> yahalom: yup
[10:26] <topyli> yahalom: most people, i guess
[10:26] <yahalom> Fackamato, i'm setting up now and kind of scared, use use rp.pppoe?
[10:26] <yahalom> what do i need to know about isp details in order for it to work?
[10:27] <Fackamato> yahalom: My ISP doesn't use PPPoE, if yours does, you need it..
[10:27] <yahalom> Fackamato, how do i know?
[10:27] <|QuaD-_> g14: i am trying that now, logging in
[10:28] <Fackamato> yahalom: ask your ISP, look in your papers
[10:28] <Fackamato> check their site
[10:28] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: it happens on a new user
[10:28] <Fackamato> etc
[10:28] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: ok, thanks.
[10:28] <yahalom> Fackamato,blah my isp has no linux tech support :( i have to figure it all otu myself
[10:28] <topyli> yahalom: i'd say they either use dhcp (good) or pppoe (more fiddling for you)
[10:29] <svenl> yahalom: buy yourself a modem router and save yourself the trouble.
[10:29] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: so that means it has nothign to do with my config files :|
[10:29] <svenl> topyli: my isp uses pppoatm.
[10:29] <CDN_beaver> can someone give me a hand with setting up a windows dual boot
[10:29] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: I'm fairly surprised 0.7-ubuntu4 exhibited it, too
[10:29] <topyli> svenl: the things they come up with! :)
[10:29] <cyphase> brb, need to do some server administration
[10:29] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: did you try it on your machine
[10:30] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: that was the only reason i cared about the update
[10:30] <g14> |QuaD-_, Did that work out for you?
[10:30] <Fackamato> yahalom: linux? has nothing to do with pppoe. you just need to find out if you use PPPoE or not.
[10:30] <yahalom> topyli, dhcp means that its always automatically connected right? and pppoe is like needing to dial right?
[10:30] <Fackamato> that's alll.
[10:30] <yahalom> Fackamato, ok i'll call them
[10:30] <|QuaD-_> g14: yeah, not just trying to figure out how to close it
[10:31] <thoreauputic> crimsun: using your xfce4 (very nice BTW) Is there a setting I can tweak to get sound with rhythmbox and also be able to use amarok? Amarok only wants to use arts for sound, it seems
[10:31] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: not in front of a breezy machine atm
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: ok
[10:32] <crimsun> thoreauputic: if you wish to use gnome's settings, you can execute gnome-settings-daemon &
[10:32] <thoreauputic> crimsun: there seem to be conflicts with esd and arts ( am I wrong?)
[10:32] <g14> |QuaD-_, CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[10:33] <crimsun> if both are set to use alsa's oss emulation there will be
[10:33] <g14> |QuaD-_, switch between it with CTRL ALT FX where X is one of the f keys
[10:33] <|QuaD-_> g14: i figured how to switch
[10:34] <crimsun> thoreauputic: configure amarok to use gstreamer, and it will use gstreamer's config
[10:35] <thoreauputic> crimsun: hmm - I don't really know how to do that: where should I look for info?
[10:35] <yahalom> Fackamato, they support both
[10:35] <g14> |QuaD-_, You should check out that fast user switch applet, it only sucks that there isn't any debs of it
[10:35] <yahalom> Fackamato, i need to dial them though
[10:35] <thoreauputic> crimsun: running gnome-settings-daemon gives me " You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting"
[10:35] <psychonate> yays, twinview is working
[10:36] <crimsun> thoreauputic: oh, duh (regarding g-s-d)
[10:36] <jbmigel> psychonate for someone who wanted "jump start" at 4am you sure gettin lots done!
[10:36] <crimsun> thoreauputic: well, you can execute esd manually
[10:36] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I have neither KDE nor GNOME settings checked in the startup
[10:36] <yahalom> ok i'll just try it
[10:36] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK
[10:37] <psychonate> jbmigel, well, I've done most of this stuff before
[10:37] <crimsun> thoreauputic: as for amarok, Settings>Configure Amarok>Engine
[10:37] <psychonate> though not with Ubuntu
[10:38] <psychonate> I will say though that Ubuntu has been very user friendly and cooperative thus far
[10:38] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yes I found that - but only artsd is available inthe dialogue
[10:38] <psychonate> as have the denizens of this channel :)
[10:39] <thoreauputic> crimsun: esd >> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy ( I have no sound apps running atm)
[10:39] <g14> thoreauputic, can you tell me why you want to run g-s-d?
[10:39] <g14> thoreauputic, this might help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=esd+alsa
[10:39] <crimsun> thoreauputic: lsof /dev/dsp*
[10:39] <g14> thoreauputic, I set that up today and it works beautifully
[10:39] <thoreauputic> g14: I don't - I jst want to use rhythmbox OR amarok
[10:40] <thoreauputic> g14 thanks I'll look
[10:40] <crimsun> thoreauputic: make sure amarok-gstreamer is installed
[10:40] <thoreauputic> crimsun: aha ! Thanks!
[10:40] <thoreauputic> crimsun: will do
[10:41] <g14> thoreauputic, I read that your using xfce, I'm assuming that your also letting xfce manage the desktop?
[10:41] <thoreauputic> g14: yes
[10:41] <thoreauputic> I like what I see so far
[10:41] <g14> thoreauputic, One of the things I love about gnome is gnome-volume-manager
[10:41] <thoreauputic> The only issue is multiple entries in the menu
[10:41] <psychonate> nothing like listening to some Kurosawa film music at 4:41 AM
[10:42] <g14> thoreauputic, It is what interprets dbus device insertions and makes an icon on the desktop
[10:42] <thoreauputic> g14: I can live without it...
[10:42] <thoreauputic> g14: I've been using fluxbox until now
[10:42] <g14> thoreauputic, I figured out how to get nautilus to manage an xfce desktop and g-v-m manage the hotplug for it pretty easily if your interested I'll walk you through it
[10:42] <g14> while setting up a low end machine for my parents
[10:43] <thoreauputic> g14: Thanks but nautilus is something about gnome I don't personally like :)
[10:43] <g14> thoreauputic, Even in browser mode?
[10:43] <benplaut> how can i force a package to install with apt/synaptic?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> g14: I *much* prefer rox filer
[10:44] <benplaut> it claims to have dependancy problems, but it is actually OK
[10:44] <g14> thoreauputic, The beauty of oss and to each his own :) I dislike the idea of appfolders like rox does
[10:44] <s_yuan31tee> hi, i heard ubuntu hoary use new x windows system (x.org), i was wondering what is the old x windows system for warty?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> g14: rox loads faster and is configurable to the nth degree
[10:44] <s_yuan31tee> any note need to take caution while i perform upgrading from warty to hoary?
[10:44] <crimsun> s_yuan31tee: XFree86
[10:45] <thoreauputic> g14: appfolders are only used by the rox DE - which I don't use
[10:45] <crimsun> s_yuan31tee: the dist-upgrade from warty->hoary converts the conffile automatically
[10:45] <g14> thoreauputic, but rox still doesn't do hotplug
[10:45] <s_yuan31tee> crimsun: why using x.org and not XFree86? any particular reasons for doing so? :)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> g14: true
[10:46] <crimsun> s_yuan31tee: a variety of reasons, namely fewer possible licensing hassles and active development of features
[10:46] <thoreauputic> g14: I don't really need hotplug here: i don't have peripherals that require it
[10:46] <crimsun> g14: one can always execute gnome-volume-manager
[10:46] <g14> s_yuan31tee, because the xfree development team turned into a burecratic nightmare that stifled innovation. x.org is a fork
[10:46] <g14> crimsun: Yes, that was what I did in an xfce startup script, but that doesn't make it show the pretty desktop icon.
[10:47] <cyphase> cool, there was just an earthquake
[10:47] <g14> crimsun: I did this for my technically incompetent parents who don't understand why someone would possibly want to send them targeted ad popups
[10:47] <lotusleaf> cyphase that was me emptying my external catheder
[10:47] <cyphase> oh
[10:47] <cyphase> what did you have for dinner?
[10:48] <benplaut> does "sudo apt-get -f install <package>" force an install, throwing dependancies to the wind?
[10:48] <lotusleaf> cyphase an elephant which resembled richard simmons
[10:48] <crimsun> benplaut: no
[10:48] <benplaut> crimsun: then what does?
[10:49] <psychonate> ah, good ol' torsmo
[10:49] <crimsun> benplaut: you can't really
[10:49] <Mr_Smiley> Hi, I have a new menu under applications called "Other" after I installed quake3, anyone know how I can get rid of it?
[10:49] <anethema> hey crimsun ...having a little problem here
[10:50] <crimsun> benplaut: you can try -m, but basically you can only force with dpkg directly
[10:50] <anethema> uhh..lots of apps adjust my pcm volume
[10:50] <jbmigel> benplaut --force-yes should force it but it will probably break your system accoring to man page
[10:50] <_joey> iptables log are printed out to stdout in console , how do I disable it ?
[10:50] <anethema> but when my pcm volume is at max, i get some pretty bad distortion
[10:50] <crimsun> _joey: dmesg -n 2
[10:50] <benplaut> crimsun: i am trying to install dri and driconf, but it claims to need python <2.4, i have 2.4.1, but it can't find it
[10:50] <anethema> can i make the distortion go away no matter what the pcm volume is at? or make apps adjust main volume rather than pcm ?
[10:50] <g14> Mr_Smiley: Search the forums for Menu Editor. Don't download smeg, download the other one
[10:50] <cyphase> a 4.2 on the Richter scale
[10:51] <_joey> thanks, crimsun
[10:51] <crimsun> benplaut: from what repo(s)?
[10:51] <hondje> Hi guys....the PPC live CD, does anyone know if it runs on mini macs? I have some fixin' to do
[10:51] <anethema> any idea crimsun ? (when you have a sec, no rush)
[10:51] <crimsun> anethema: hmm, if there are options to use a software mixer, try that
[10:51] <benplaut> crimsun: the ones mentioned on the DRI binary site
[10:51] <benplaut> apt repos
[10:51] <anethema> well ideally i want to make the distortion go away, this doesnt happen in windows
[10:51] <_joey> crimsun should I put it in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[10:51] <sir-gold> hondje in theory there is no differnce
[10:51] <anethema> like pcm/main volume full blast in windows..no distortion
[10:52] <Mr_Smiley> g14: I have smeg but the Other menu doesn't show up in it
[10:52] <_joey> wait
[10:52] <sir-gold> it may not find all the hardware tho
[10:52] <_joey> :)
[10:52] <Mr_Smiley> oh
[10:52] <hondje> sir-gold: True, but in practice there are often funky things
[10:52] <Mr_Smiley> i'll try the other one then
[10:52] <hondje> newish platform and all, though I'd imagine a lot of OSS geeks bought one
[10:52] <crimsun> anethema: probably best to leave PCM < 77%
[10:52] <sir-gold> it depends on how much the butchered the mac mini
[10:52] <thoreauputic> crimsun: hmm lsof | grep /dev/dsp* comes up empty, but gstreamer says another program is using it :/
[10:52] <anethema> okay but
[10:52] <anethema> what is linux doing different
[10:52] <anethema> where this doesnt happen in windows
[10:52] <crimsun> thoreauputic: lsof /dev/snd/*
[10:53] <thoreauputic> crimsun: OK
[10:53] <hondje> not major, seems to be a fan or superdrive problem, but hard to track to hardware or software, since I'm not hip to macs
[10:53] <crimsun> anethema: windows doesn't necessarily use the codec to adjust mixer levels
[10:53] <thoreauputic> crimsun: xfce-mcs- 2215 peter    6u   CHR  116,0      6767 /dev/snd/controlC0
[10:53] <thoreauputic> xfce4-pan 2224 peter    9u   CHR  116,0      6767 /dev/snd/controlC0
[10:53] <anethema> what do you mean?
[10:53] <crimsun> anethema: software volume mixer
[10:53] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I have no idea what that means :)
[10:54] <anethema> well i mean, going into the volume control in windows, and cranking the volumes..nothing distorts
[10:54] <crimsun> thoreauputic: those are both inconsequential
[10:54] <_joey> crimsun how do I set this permenantly ?
[10:54] <anethema> do that now and its unlistenable
[10:54] <sir-gold> anethema is it still the same volume?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> crimsun: yet amarok refuses to use gstreamer engine?
[10:54] <anethema> yeah
[10:54] <anethema> like
[10:54] <crimsun> anethema: ALSA attempts to use the hardware codec to adjust the mixer elements always
[10:55] <anethema> and what does the windows mixer do ?
[10:55] <crimsun> anethema: uses a software mixer
[10:55] <anethema> so how does windows achieve the same volume without distortion
[10:55] <sir-gold> it tuns up a different volume knob essentially
[10:55] <g14> anethema, vendor lockin
[10:55] <sir-gold> turns
[10:55] <shido6> can I use esd with my soundmax?
[10:55] <shido6> heh
[10:56] <thoreauputic> crimsun: aha! Now it's playing for some reason! Thank you very much
[10:56] <anethema> so there is no solution basically?
[10:56] <crimsun> anethema: the software mixer emulates a hardware mixer without actually doing it.
[10:56] <shido6> i think I have to change the order of my sound somehow...
[10:56] <shido6> I changed usb to 0
[10:56] <crimsun> shido6: yes
[10:56] <shido6> and the soundmax to 1 or 2
[10:56] <anethema> what im basically asking is..how can i get high volumes in gnome, wihtout distortion
[10:56] <shido6> and I cant remember how to change it back
[10:56] <crimsun> shido6: cat /proc/asound/modules
[10:56] <shido6> i love the ubuntu support!
[10:56] <crimsun> anethema: leave your pcm < 77%
[10:56] <anethema> but then sound is quiet
[10:56] <shido6> yes crimsun, cat /proc/asound/modules thanks
[10:57] <crimsun> anethema: adjusting Master doesn't do anything?
[10:57] <anethema> yes master is at max
[10:57] <thoreauputic> crimsun: I can only assume there was a lag between installing the engine and having it recognised...
[10:57] <crimsun> thoreauputic: a simple restart of amarok should have sufficed
[10:57] <anethema> crimsun, is there a way to MAKE it stay under 77 percent?
[10:57] <anethema> like a config file saying the new pcm max is 77 and thats that ?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> crimsun: Well, I did that :)
[10:57] <shido6> ok how do I change this... crimsun
[10:57] <shido6> cat /proc/asound/modules
[10:57] <shido6> 0 snd_usb_audio
[10:57] <shido6> 1 snd_intel8x0
[10:58] <_joey> could someone recommend good backup utility other than tar/rsync and amander, first two are too simple , amanda is overkill
[10:58] <thoreauputic> crimsun: anyway it now plays, so thanks for your help
[10:58] <crimsun> shido6: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[10:58] <anethema> so like, wine'd winamp and stuff cant make it distort ?
[10:58] <anethema> poor crimsun getting swamped sorry dude haha
[10:58] <anethema> i was helping people for about 5 hours this mornig
[10:58] <crimsun> anethema: I don't know of anyway to prevent it from being adjusted
[10:58] <anethema> i got swamped
[10:58] <anethema> haha
[10:58] <crimsun> any way, rather
[10:58] <anethema> hmm
[10:58] <anethema> doh alrite
[10:58] <anethema> ill try #linuxhelp
[10:59] <crimsun> if the apps have software mixer options, try those
[10:59] <anethema> well i was hoping to edit the alsa conf or somehting
[10:59] <anethema> to make pcm volume have a max of 77 percent
[10:59] <anethema> still adjust, but not higher than 77
[10:59] <crimsun> well, to do that you'd have to change the source and recompile the alsa driver
[11:01] <anethema> ah yeah
[11:01] <anethema> wonder how hard it would be to implement a max
[11:01] <anethema> im not really a programmer
[11:01] <anethema> heh
[11:02] <crimsun> the problem is not really implementing a max for your specific hardware configuration
[11:02] <crimsun> it's enabling a max that would work for all cards using that chipset
[11:02] <anethema> 77 percent isnt a good max?
[11:02] <crimsun> (since even cards that use the same chipset can use different ac97 codecs)
[11:03] <anethema> i dunno, i just want no distortion
[11:03] <anethema> you accidentially turn something up too high and all the sudden everything sounds like crap
[11:03] <anethema> ideally use software mixers like in xmms
[11:04] <anethema> crimsun, another quickie
[11:04] <anethema> is there a way to get a tree view on the left of nautilus file explorer thing
[11:05] <anethema> similar to windows explorer
[11:05] <crimsun> sorry, nautilus is not my strength
[11:05] <anethema> can you suggest a file manager that does have a tree view on the left?
[11:05] <anethema> similar to windows explorer?
[11:05] <topyli> anethema: right click on a folder, choose "browse"
[11:05] <anethema> pain in the ass to not have a tree when you wanna navigate
[11:05] <anethema> yes
[11:05] <anethema> but no tree view topyli
[11:06] <anethema> ive made browse the default, at least then you get a editable path on top
[11:06] <lotusleaf> anethema krusader
[11:06] <anethema> OH
[11:06] <g14> anethema, I have tree view in nautilus
[11:06] <anethema> haha
[11:06] <anethema> i found it!
[11:06] <anethema> thanks guys
[11:06] <cyphase> lol, 8 miles away
[11:06] <topyli> anethema: sure there is, choose "tree" instead of "information" or "notes" for the left pane
[11:06] <topyli> ah, good :)
[11:07] <anethema> thats great
[11:07] <anethema> now just need to make a shortcut bring that up
[11:07] <anethema> OH heres a good question for a guru
[11:07] <anethema> how do i make the super key (windows key) a modifier so i can make hotkeys with it in gnome
[11:07] <anethema> is this possible/
[11:07] <anethema> when i try to use it it just treats it as a key
[11:07] <topyli> anethema: i have a launcher on the panel with the command "nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U"
[11:08] <anethema> yeah ive got one on the panel
[11:08] <topyli> anethema: otherwise, spatial is the default
[11:08] <anethema> ive made browser the default all the time
[11:08] <anethema> in the nautilus prefs
[11:08] <g14> Yeah me too, with gconf-editor
[11:09] <anethema> anyone know about the windows key?
[11:09] <anethema> its just treated as a normal key right now it seems, not a modifier
[11:10] <topyli> anethema: system menu - preferences - keyboard - layout options
[11:11] <anethema> ok..
[11:11] <anethema> is it the press win-key to chose 3rd level?
[11:11] <topyli> although i've mapped the win keys to window operations
[11:11] <topyli> i guess 3rd level would be "super"
[11:11] <anethema> does this make it a modifier?
[11:11] <anethema> ill try
[11:14] <g14> anethema, using topyli's suggestion and mapping the windows key to meta, it works for me
[11:14] <g14> topyli, Now I can use windows key R to bring up the run dialog, this makes me happy
[11:14] <g14> thanks
[11:15] <yahalom> can someone help me setup my adsl plz? i thought i did it right, but it wont work
[11:15] <shido6> ok
[11:15] <shido6> after i make the change for sound do i need to rmmod anything and then modprobe
[11:15] <shido6> or just modprobe
[11:15] <yahalom> shido6, u know how to?
[11:15] <shido6> ?
[11:16] <yahalom> anybody?
[11:17] <topyli> g14: yeah. i have one of them "multimedia" keyboards, and no longer need external programs like xbindkeys with gnome. this is good
[11:18] <psychonate> alright, time for sleep
[11:18] <psychonate> thanks for all the help fellas
[11:18] <psychonate> adios
[11:19] <g14> topyli, the keyboard I am on right now http://www.digitaletc.com/images/log967234-0403.jpg
[11:19] <g14> topyli, I have to install drivers for the volume wheel to work in windows, not in ubuntu :)
[11:20] <topyli> heh. so the keyboard capplet in gnome knows about your keyboard and loads keys accordingly? this happens to me
[11:21] <topyli> with a logitech internet keyboard
[11:21] <topyli> which also requires drivers in windows, btw
[11:22] <yahalom> nobody here wants to help me with rp-pppoe?
[11:22] <jaco^> my skype look is very bad with ubuntu, there is a way to rendere bettere the qt work?
[11:23] <jaco^>  render better
[11:23] <yahalom> jaco^, u downloaded the .deb?
[11:23] <jaco^> yes, i've downloaded the deb
[11:24] <yahalom> jaco^, well it looks nice on mine
[11:24] <topyli> yahalom: oh, you're back. so you now know you need rp-pppoe?
[11:24] <jaco^> yahalom have u used the deb on skype site?
[11:24] <yahalom> jaco^, unless u consider the windows look nice :)
[11:24] <anethema> is there a way to make a launcher in gnome launch by pressing a hotkey ?
[11:24] <topyli> yahalom: i have dhcp, so i don't know pppoe, sorry
[11:24] <yahalom> topyli, i need rp-pppoe to dial, but my router used dhcp to get the ip
[11:25] <topyli> ah
[11:25] <jaco^> yahalom which deb have u downloaded?
[11:25] <jaco^> where?
[11:25] <yahalom> topyli, so i did adsl-setup and it says connected when i do adsl-start but it doesnt
[11:25] <anethema> you ever done this topyli
[11:25] <anethema> ?
[11:25] <yahalom> topyli, so i used rp=pppoe and it doesnt connect
[11:25] <yahalom> jaco^, from skype.com
[11:25] <jaco^> ok, is the same :-(
[11:25] <yahalom> topyli, i'm using a router :(
[11:25] <topyli> anethema: not lately. the nice gnome keyboard configuration took that away from me :(
[11:26] <Silverter> hello
[11:26] <topyli> yahalom: sorry, your setup is way different from mine. i have an adsl box and basically treat internet as another lan
[11:26] <Silverter> I can't seem to be able to emerge the latest NetworkManager ebuild..
[11:26] <anethema> doh
[11:26] <anethema> so is there no way to run something with a keybord shortcut?
[11:26] <Silverter> The archive cannot be found..
[11:26] <yahalom> topyli, :(
[11:26] <yahalom> ok who here uses a adsl router?
[11:27] <Silverter> I get this error message: Couldn't download NetworkManager-0.3.1.050205.tar.bz2. Aborting
[11:27] <Chameleon22> does ubuntu have php5 package?
[11:27] <topyli> anethema: you could try xbindkeys like i used to. it lets you bind anything to anything
[11:27] <Silverter> Can anyone provide me with the archive?
[11:27] <anethema> xbindkeys eh
[11:27] <topyli> yes
[11:28] <anethema> is it a conf?
[11:28] <g14> I remember using oldschool xmodmap and xev on solaris 7. Those were the days
[11:28] <topyli> anethema: basically its a daemon that waits for keypresses and executes stuff accordingly
[11:28] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: Nope -- it may be possible (though probably not advisable) to use the packages from debian sid.
[11:28] <topyli> anethema: there was even xbindkeys-config for click-and-drool configuration
[11:29] <anethema> yes
[11:29] <anethema> i just found it
[11:29] <anethema> woo
[11:29] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: bah!
[11:29] <anethema> apt-get..i love you :D
[11:29] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: Why do you want to run ubuntu on a server (or a server on your desktop?)
[11:30] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: running ubuntu as a desktop and as a server on a different machine
[11:30] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: I'd recommend you run debian sarge on the server, personally
[11:31] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: i was thinking that since my server used to run Sid hehehehe, Home server so thats ok. Does sarge have all the latest and greatest or is it outdated as woody?
[11:32] <Fackamato> it's not as outdated as woody
[11:32] <lotusleaf> anethema apt-get I love you, sounds like a beatles song
[11:32] <topyli> g14: those were the days when men were men and we imitated them :)
[11:32] <anethema> haha
[11:32] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: Sarge was just frozen a few days ago
[11:32] <anethema> xbindkeys not wokring :(
[11:32] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: frozen?
[11:32] <topyli> anethema: i doubt you've configured it yet :)
[11:32] <anethema> yes i used xbindkeys-config
[11:32] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: It's entering it's "ready to replace woody" stage.
[11:33] <topyli> anethema: oh, the gnome keyboard shortcuts are probably getting in the way
[11:33] <anethema> thats what i think too
[11:33] <topyli> anethema: disable them for the keys you want to custom configure
[11:33] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: does it have php5? postgresql 8? new mysql? etc
[11:33] <shido6> ok now I have 1 snd_intel8x0
[11:33] <shido6> 2 snd_usb_audio
[11:33] <anethema> eeee
[11:34] <anethema> doh
[11:34] <anethema> its just typing an E
[11:34] <anethema> haha
[11:34] <shido6> i have esd and alsa and oss showing up in the multimedia selecter thingee
[11:34] <shido6> xine doesnt play sound
[11:34] <shido6> i dont hear my system sounds either
[11:34] <anethema> does the thing play..but you just dont hear it ?
[11:34] <shido6> i had my usb headphones working but now I want my snd_intel8x0 to work
[11:34] <Jimbob> It doesn't appear to have php5
[11:34] <anethema> or does it mess up when you try to play
[11:34] <shido6> no sound
[11:34] <Silverter> Does anyone know what ubuntu kernel provides swsuspend2
[11:34] <anethema> ok something is muted then
[11:35] <shido6>  cat /proc/asound/modules
[11:35] <topyli> shido6: what did you choose for the multimedia sink?
[11:35] <shido6> 1 snd_intel8x0
[11:35] <shido6> 2 snd_usb_audio
[11:35] <anethema> yeah something is muted
[11:35] <Jimbob> It does not have postgres 8
[11:35] <shido6> I have alsa selected as default sink
[11:35] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: It has mysql 4.1, though
[11:35] <anethema> type alsamixer shido6
[11:35] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: what about php?
[11:35] <topyli> shido6: then you must tell xine to use the same
[11:35] <shido6> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:35] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: So "no, no, yes" are the answers
[11:35] <anethema> doh
[11:36] <anethema> alsa not wokring ?
[11:36] <Jimbob> Chameleon22:  (no php5, no postgres8, yes mysql41)
[11:36] <topyli> shido6: also, esd might be getting in the way. kill it if it's running
[11:36] <anethema> what about your gnome volume control
[11:36] <anethema> yeah get rid of esd
[11:36] <shido6> killall -9 esd
[11:36] <shido6> ?
[11:36] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: eh will run ub... for now. Its my home server so its ok. I dont think i would put ubuntu as a server into production though
[11:36] <topyli> killall is enough
[11:36] <Jimbob> mmm
[11:37] <Jimbob> Well, there is a page on how to compile php5 for ubuntu at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHP5Installation
[11:37] <g14> CentOS 4 is best for a free server
[11:37] <anethema> usually stuff freezes though if the sound source isnt available
[11:37] <g14> But ubuntu kills fedora for a desktop
[11:37] <cyphase> ubuntu is the best linux desktop
[11:37] <cyphase> hands down
[11:37] <cyphase> lol
[11:37] <g14> I don't know
[11:37] <shido6> still no sound
[11:37] <g14> Suse 9.3 is amazing
[11:37] <shido6> and alsamixer doesnt come up
[11:37] <cyphase> i have sound
[11:37] <g14> But I dislike kde
[11:37] <cyphase> lol
[11:37] <cyphase> ;)
[11:38] <g14> And you have to pay for Suse
[11:38] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: ye compiling it is one thing but that would mean i have to recompile on every patch etc so might as well wait for a pkg
[11:38] <Jimbob> g14: What are the advantages of CentOS over sarge?
[11:38] <anethema> what if you right click your little volume icon on the top
[11:38] <anethema> and open volume control
[11:38] <topyli> g14: really? you used to get suse for free
[11:38] <Chameleon22> Jimbob: in general i hate using source unless its absolutely the only choise, since it hurts consistensy of the system
[11:38] <g14> Jimbob, A serious emphasis on proactive security like SeLinux and new kernel patches
[11:38] <shido6> i have three selections in change device
[11:39] <ivoks> or grsec :)
[11:39] <lotusleaf> The last time I installed Gentoo, my fingernails growing was the best screensaver.
[11:39] <g14> JimBob, it is more common for production servers, so more 3rd party apps work with it
[11:39] <anethema> yes the device you want is alsa
[11:39] <shido6> 0: Analog Devices AD1985 (OSS Mixer)
[11:39] <anethema> alsa mixer
[11:39] <anethema> hehe
[11:39] <shido6> 1: Intel ICH5 (Alsa Mixer)
[11:39] <Jimbob> Chameleon22: Yeah, at work we usually end up hacking together packages for the stuff that's too new for debian.
[11:39] <anethema> theres the one
[11:40] <g14> Suse's biggest strong point is integrated wireless. It has better wireless and bluetooth support than ubuntu
[11:40] <shido6> 2: USB Audio ( Alsa Mixer)
[11:40] <anethema> 1
[11:40] <anethema> intel whatever
[11:40] <Jimbob> g14: Ahh, I see -- based on RHEL3
[11:40] <topyli> Jimbob: yeah, it's the same thing
[11:41] <g14> Jimbob, based on RHEL4
[11:41] <shido6> everything is unmited
[11:41] <shido6> except the "capture" tab
[11:42] <g14> Jimbob, lastly, I can download the rpms for redhat cluster suite and rebuild them for CentOS. It's a real pain to try to get that running on debian (I gave up)
[11:42] <topyli> Jimbob: but if you want to run something like oracle with support, you need whatever they support of course
[11:42] <Jimbob> Mmm
[11:42] <shido6> alsamixer used to work
[11:43] <s_yuan31tee> fuck u
[11:43] <shido6> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:43] <g14> If you are a communist that likes to install xwindows on your servers (not me), redhat has much better gui setup tools than sarge for things like bind or apache
[11:44] <anethema> do you have a /dev/dsp shido6
[11:45] <shido6> no /dev/dsp
[11:45] <anethema> hmm
[11:45] <anethema> might have to create it
[11:45] <shido6> touch /dev/dsp ?
[11:45] <anethema> no...
[11:45] <anethema> sudo mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3
[11:46] <shido6> then what?
[11:46] <anethema> well
[11:46] <anethema> try running alsa mixer
[11:46] <anethema> or playing sound
[11:46] <shido6> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:46] <anethema> doh
[11:46] <anethema> oh also
[11:46] <anethema> make sure to go..
[11:46] <g14> Jimbob: I'm used to admining oldschool solaris servers through telnet back in the day. When the gui was barely usable
[11:46] <anethema> in your sound preferences
[11:46] <anethema> and uncheck both boxes
[11:47] <shido6> uncheck what boxes?
[11:47] <shido6> go where
[11:47] <shido6> :)
[11:47] <anethema> system-preferences-sound
[11:47] <Jimbob> g14: What is it with you solaris guys and telnet, anyways? Too good for ssh? :-)
[11:47] <anethema> always ssh
[11:47] <shido6> done
[11:47] <anethema> boo telnet
[11:47] <shido6> unchecked
[11:47] <anethema> ok uncheck those boxes
[11:48] <anethema> try rebooting now
[11:48] <lotusleaf> opensolaris? don't you mean duke nukem forever?
[11:48] <anethema> and lemme know if stuff works
[11:48] <anethema> ill be here
[11:48] <shido6> ok, be back in a bit
[11:48] <g14> Jimbob, before ssh man, before it
[11:48] <Jimbob> g14: I only ask because we contract out some funkiness on a solaris box at work and the firm we contract to does it's thing via telnet
[11:49] <Jimbob> (open, across a college network)
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[11:49] <g14> or ngrep for getting passwords
[11:49] <g14> its the best
[11:49] <lotusleaf> I heard a story about some 80 year old wizard who shoved an nvidia card up his ass and saw Jesus
[11:50] <bob2> try to stay mildly on topic
[11:50] <Jimbob> Most hilariously, someone already cracked the box in question (before I was hired), and used it to break into everything else
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Jimbob: telnet? are they nuts?
[11:50] <Jimbob> thoreauputic: Aparently
[11:51] <anethema> it work shido6 ?
[11:51] <Jimbob> thoreauputic: The first week I was there I went around and nmap'd the servers I'd be admining -- and almost fell out of my chair when I noticed telnet was open on the box.
[11:51] <anethema> damnit i cant get this windows key thing working how i want
[11:51] <anethema> like
[11:51] <anethema> if i set 'home dir' to ctrl-e it works
[11:51] <anethema> but if i set it to windowskey-e
[11:51] <anethema> it doesnt
[11:52] <anethema> but..windowskey-d works to minimize the desktop
[11:52] <anethema> why!
[11:52] <anethema> how could it wokr for one and not the other
[11:52] <shido6> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:52] <anethema> doh
[11:52] <shido6> the only thing I did the last time was change the number after the module
[11:52] <shido6> and reboot
[11:52] <shido6> then my usb worked
[11:52] <shido6> and my soundmax didnt
[11:53] <shido6> now I want my soundmax to work
[11:53] <shido6> and my usb not to
[11:53] <anethema> ahh not sure
[11:53] <odyssey> anethema, maybe because you have already used windows key
[11:53] <shido6> reon@box:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[11:53] <shido6> 0 snd_intel8x0
[11:53] <shido6> 1 snd_usb_audio
[11:53] <shido6> is what it used to look like
[11:53] <shido6> so I did a echo "options snd_intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[11:54] <shido6> "just ensure snd_usb_audio is not set to index=2" is what they said
[11:54] <shido6> 1 snd_intel8x0
[11:54] <shido6> 2 snd_usb_audio
[11:54] <shido6> is what I have now
[11:54] <anethema> no odyssey
[11:54] <shido6> do I need to bring it back to 0?
[11:54] <odyssey> you said you used it on minimise desktop
[11:55] <topyli> if it really is a mod key, it is reusable of course
[11:55] <anethema> its
[11:55] <anethema> its a mod key
[11:55] <anethema> i just made it meta
[11:55] <anethema> which is mod4
[11:56] <shido6> if 1 snd_intel8x0
[11:56] <shido6> 2 snd_usb_audio
[11:56] <shido6>  is what I have now, how do i bring snd_intel8x0 to 0 and snd_usb_audio to 1 again?
[11:56] <Sauron21> Hi guys....I was wondering if anyone know of a way to change the MAC address in ubuntu??
[11:57] <bob2> Sauron21: why?
[11:57] <topyli> are they changeable? i didn't know :)
[11:57] <bob2> yes
[11:57] <Sauron21> I just need to change mine.....
[11:57] <bob2> why?
[11:57] <mark> the kernel version for amd64 5.0.4 is 2.6.10 ?
[11:57] <bob2> from the fcat you won't tell us, presumably for a dodgy reason
[11:58] <bob2> mark: for all architectures, the default kernel is 2.6.10 for 5.04
[11:58] <anethema> bob2, know much about using windows key as a modifier?
[11:58] <Sauron21> problems with my dhcp....like I know what the hell is wrong....someone from my ISP told to do it...and he didnt know how to do it in ubuntu....
[11:58] <anethema> Sauron21, its easy enough using ifconfig
[11:59] <bob2> Sauron21: sudo ifconfig eth0 hw 1:2:3:4
[11:59] <anethema> thats the way yep
[11:59] <anethema> using hw
[11:59] <bob2> anethema: sure, let gnome do it for you
[11:59] <anethema> well
[11:59] <anethema> i went to keyboard prefs
[11:59] <anethema> and mapped windows key to mod4 (meta)
[11:59] <Sauron21> I am using KDE.....:P
[11:59] <anethema> Sauron21, it will work anyways
[11:59] <anethema> but yeah bob2
[11:59] <anethema> i mapped to mod4
[11:59] <Sauron21> wonderful....:D..thx..let me give it a try...
[12:00] <anethema> when i go into my...key board shortcuts
[12:00] <anethema> i tryed mapping mod4-d to show desktop
[12:00] <anethema> it works
[12:00] <mark> i tried " sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10" but cant seem to locate package
[12:00] <bob2> mark: yes, that's not the package name
[12:01] <anethema> do this mark
[12:01] <anethema> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[12:01] <bob2> mark: you need to use the correct one for your architecture
[12:01] <anethema> that command will work whatever you architechture
[12:01] <anethema> assuming your kernel works :0
[12:01] <mark> anethema: =)
[12:01] <anethema> ok bob...i mapped it to show desktop it works, but i tryed mapping it to home folder
[12:02] <anethema> to launch nautilus and it doesnt work
[12:02] <bob2> ok!
[12:02] <anethema> if i map ctrl-e to this it works
[12:02] <bob2> did you check if it really generates mod4?
[12:02] <anethema> seems to
[12:02] <bob2> no
[12:02] <anethema> in xev it lists as meta_l
[12:02] <bob2> meta_l is mod4?
[12:03] <anethema> afaik
[12:03] <anethema> and when i do the enter key thing in the keyboard shortcuts
[12:03] <anethema> hit windowskey-e
[12:03] <anethema> it reads this as mod4-e
[12:03] <s_yuan31tee> hi, any major issues u guys face while upgrading the ubuntu? ie: the x-windows stuff.
[12:04] <mark> anethema: kudos, it works
[12:04] <anethema> so it really seems to generate mod4
[12:04] <linuxboy> how do i play dvds in totem? I have the dvdcss package already
[12:04] <anethema> np mark
[12:05] <anethema> any ideas bob2 ?
[12:05] <bob2> no
[12:05] <anethema> ahh doh
[12:05] <anethema> how could mod4 work for show desktop
[12:05] <anethema> but now launch nautilus
[12:05] <anethema> now-not
[12:05] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: try installing totem-xine - and have you read the rastricted formats howto on the wiki?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> *restricted
[12:06] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: where is totem-xine ?
[12:06] <topyli> just apt-get it
[12:06] <anethema> apt
[12:07] <linuxboy> in main?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: it's in the universe repo
[12:08] <anethema> ok bob2 , it only works for the window control section of the keyboard shortcuts
[12:08] <anethema> nothing else
[12:09] <topyli> i miss binding keys to "gnome-terminal --geometry 80x35 -e ssh user@server" and such :(
[12:10] <anethema> yeah
[12:10] <anethema> im screwed i guess
[12:10] <anethema> windows key doesnt work right
[12:10] <anethema> and xbindkeys doesnt seem to work :(
[12:10] <ivoks> anethema it does
[12:10] <ivoks> anethema what would u like?
[12:10] <ivoks> anethema whoutrcuts with windows key?
[12:11] <anethema> ivoks,
[12:11] <anethema> yes i want windowskey-e to launch nautilus
[12:11] <anethema> thats mostly it
[12:11] <ivoks> anethema system -> preferences -> keyboard -> layout options -> alt/win keybehavior -> hyper is mapped to the win-keys
[12:11] <anethema> hyper?>
[12:12] <anethema> ok ive got it on meta right now
[12:12] <thoreauputic> odd... /lastlog doesn't seem to work in xchat 2.4.1
[12:12] <anethema> doesnt work
[12:12] <anethema> hyper is mod4 too
[12:12] <thoreauputic> anyone seeing this behaviour?
[12:12] <ivoks> if i press wind key + x i get xterm
[12:13] <anethema> how
[12:13] <desplesda> who maintains the gaim package in main?
[12:13] <anethema> where did you set that up ?
[12:13] <davidj-es> Good morning :)
[12:13] <ivoks> system, prefs, keyb. shourtcuts
[12:13] <anethema> ok that works
[12:14] <desplesda> im just noticing that gaim is at 1.1.4 in main but 1.2.1 from upstream
[12:14] <anethema> ivoks,
[12:14] <desplesda> are there any plans to update the version in main?
[12:14] <ivoks> desplesda it will stay that way
[12:14] <anethema> ivoks, try mapping somehting to 'home folder'
[12:14] <anethema> to make nautilus open
[12:14] <anethema> mapping ctrl-e works
[12:14] <anethema> mod4-e doesnt
[12:14] <desplesda> ivoks, why's that?
[12:14] <anethema> its baffling
[12:15] <ivoks> anethema yeah, doesn't
[12:15] <topyli> desplesda: that's the whole idea of a stable distribution release
[12:15] <anethema> damnit! thats the one i want the most
[12:15] <ivoks> desplesda what kind of a question is that?
[12:15] <desplesda> nevermind, i was just wondering
[12:15] <desplesda> :)
[12:15] <ivoks> desplesda hoary is out, and it has apps that it has
[12:16] <topyli> desplesda: breezy will have what's latest then
[12:16] <ivoks> desplesda next release will have newer
[12:16] <desplesda> thanks :)
[12:16] <anethema> breezy out in october
[12:16] <anethema> euain
[12:17] <topyli> anethema: you could file a bug in the key shortcut capplet and see if someone agrees
[12:17] <anethema> yeah i could
[12:17] <anethema> heh
[12:17] <anethema> where?
[12:17] <topyli> bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[12:18] <topyli> or .com, i forget :)
[12:18] <ivoks> anethema app -> system tools -> bug reporting too;
[12:18] <ivoks> anethema app -> system tools -> bug reporting tool
[12:18] <topyli> oh yeah :)
[12:19] <anethema> doh
[12:19] <thoreauputic> ping
[12:19] <anethema> dindt seem to load
[12:19] <anethema> does it load for you guys?
[12:19] <anethema> mine just says starting for a while
[12:19] <anethema> then nothing happens
[12:20] <anethema> oh nm
[12:20] <anethema> its a websit
[12:20] <Tallia1> hey guys, i've to ask you a question.. what does imply to create a link to a folder in /bin? example: "andrea@taglia:/bin$ ln -s /usr/java/bin java" ??
[12:20] <topyli> it should open a browser and go to the bugzilla page
[12:20] <rj> do i still need to patch 2.6.x kernels with cramfs patch to use initrd?
[12:20] <rj> when building kernels with kpkg?
[12:21] <topyli> Tallia1: well, then you have a link in /usr/bin that's all
[12:21] <topyli> Tallia1: which is good if you want to have java in your path
[12:22] <jacquesmerde> hmm...as soon as i changed my ubuntu machine from DHCP to static IP, the machine completely lost the ability to translate domain names
[12:22] <Tallia1> but it isn't the same to add a export $/usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin
[12:22] <Tallia1> to the bash.bashrc file!?
[12:23] <topyli> Tallia1: no it's not
[12:23] <Tallia1> why!?
[12:23] <Tallia1> i wanna to know why!! :)
[12:23] <Tallia1> i wanna know why!! :) :)
[12:23] <topyli> Tallia1: in bashrc, you add directories to your path. with the link, you add the link to your current path
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Tallia1: one is changing your path, the other isn't
[12:23] <jacquesmerde> what is the standard DNS address again?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> oh my, I'm lagged 20seconds....
[12:24] <jkka> jacquesmerde: you must put dns server address to /etc/resolv.conf
[12:24] <Tallia1> i haven't understand..
[12:24] <veritas> Hrm
[12:25] <topyli> Tallia1: either mohammed goes to the mountain, or the mountain comes to mohammed you know :)
[12:25] <s_yuan31tee> i was wondering why the latest release of ubuntu use x.org?
[12:25] <s_yuan31tee> any political reasons behind? :)
[12:25] <Tallia1> .. ;|
[12:25] <jacquesmerde> jkka, well, i was going to use that administration --> networking front-end (was that created by ubuntu or gnome?), but i dont know the address
[12:25] <bob2> because xfree86 is dead
[12:25] <mjr> s_yuan31tee, perhaps because x.org is where it's happening these days
[12:25] <jkka> if you dont know what to use, set up dhcp again, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:25] <metalsand> hey bob2, are you free now?
[12:25] <shido6> i think i fixed it
[12:25] <shido6> I just removed the sound card module from  nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:25] <bob2> the 4.4 license is useless, and x.org is where everyone's doing development
[12:25] <shido6> and i rebooted
[12:26] <bob2> metalsand: for?
[12:26] <shido6> so soundmax got a 0
[12:26] <Tallia1> topyli: why i have to do both the operations in order to make java operative?
[12:26] <jacquesmerde> jkka, got it. cheers
[12:26] <shido6> instead of a 1 or a 2 when doing a cat /proc/asound/modules
[12:26] <shido6> thanks for all of your help
[12:26] <metalsand> I'm trying to get help getting a PCMCIA card to work, and I've been on it for a few days... Everyone who attmpts to help me can't figure it out
[12:26] <metalsand> Last time I tried to get help you said you were busy ATM
[12:26] <topyli> Tallia1: ah, you're probably setting the $JAVA_HOME variable in bashrc, and the link is just to find the binary
[12:26] <topyli> which is not the same thing, again :)
[12:27] <jeroen_> Hello, does anyone know how to play .mid files in Ubuntu?
[12:27] <bob2> metalsand: have you asked on the user list?
[12:27] <Tallia1> nope.. look at this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[12:27] <YscO> Why do you want to play .mid files anyway :P
[12:27] <anethema> brb
[12:27] <metalsand> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:27] <jeroen_> YsCo, because I downloaded one?
[12:27] <Tallia1> the $JAVA_HOME is created in the bashrc file too
[12:28] <jeroen_> metalsand, is midi restricted?
[12:28] <metalsand> I think there's support in there, jeroen_
[12:28] <metalsand> I'm not sure, but I remember scanning thorugh that and seeing that
[12:28] <metalsand> seeing mid support
[12:28] <metalsand> Could be making things up, though :P
[12:28] <YscO> i think you're making things up :p
[12:29] <metalsand> Well, it is 3:30 AM, so.. that's definatley possible :P
[12:29] <topyli> Tallia1: ok, step 3. that's so that your shell finds java. the link is probably for scripts and possibly the mozilla plugin
[12:29] <ompaul> metalsand, don't be silly it is 11:30am :-)
[12:29] <metalsand> bob2: do you think you can take a stab at my issue
[12:29] <jeroen_> yes, you're making things up. A search for "mid" and "midi" gives nothing on that page
[12:30] <YscO> 12:30 am :P
[12:30] <metalsand> Where do you crazy people live
[12:30] <jeroen_> EU_NL
[12:30] <jacquesmerde> what is the origin of that administration--> networking front-end?
[12:30] <ompaul> eu_ie
[12:30] <jacquesmerde> also, what's with the "%u" in "firefox %u"?
[12:31] <ompaul> metalsand, how did you know I was crazy? :-)
[12:31] <topyli> jacquesmerde: gnome upstream, which may have gotten it from redhat or wherever
[12:32] <topyli> jacquesmerde: the %u is a variable which takes an URL as an argument
[12:32] <Tallia1> hi!! :)  i wanna ask you a thing.. i'm a newbie of kubuntu.. there's a way to autoexec an application on kde launch??!?
[12:33] <jeroen_> Tallia1: it's possible with gnome, but I'm not sure on KDE
[12:33] <jacquesmerde> topyli, i'm just wondering why the launcher for firefox has as its command, "firefox %u"?
[12:33] <Tallia1> how it was possible with gnome?!?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Tallia1: yes, there's an Autostart entry in .kde or something like that
[12:33] <ompaul> Tallia1, #kunbuntu may be of use to you there
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> topyli, is that so you can edit the command to "firefox %u www.google.com" etc.. to externally set the start page?
[12:34] <nanomad> jacquesmerde, %u its for url
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> nanomad, i still dont see what its doing there
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> just plain firefox seems to do the samething
[12:34] <nanomad> substituting a variable
[12:34] <topyli> jacquesmerde: i have no idea. :) maybe there's a $DEFAULT_URL variable or something defined by the distro
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> substituting what for what?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Tallia1: I think you just put your script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:35] <nanomad> substitutes %u with the contents of that variable
[12:35] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, so you can start it with a url - i.e. if something says lauch firefox - it is the tool that firefox uses to import the url so that its launch is useful
[12:35] <nanomad> i think it contains the home page
[12:35] <jacquesmerde> and what IS the contents of that variable? how do you set it?
[12:35] <topyli> jacquesmerde: btw, the nautilus launcher has $u there too
[12:35] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, ooh, i like THAT answer!
[12:36] <jacquesmerde> wait, i still dont get it. can i have an example ofhwo to use it?
[12:36] <topyli> ompaul: oh yeah! that's why i can put http://google.com in the run dialog and it will launch firefox. thanks :)
[12:37] <cyh> hello i was woundering if there is a way to send command line arguments to programes when lynx starts them up automatically?
[12:37] <tigermb> heu i think the ubuntu gtk1 theme is ugly how can i change that?
[12:37] <sam_> hy everybody
[12:37] <sam_> hi
[12:37] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, see topyli's answer
[12:37] <jacquesmerde> so how come you can run a url from the run... command, just because of a %u in a launcher buried somewhere in gnome's menu and panel
[12:38] <thoreauputic> tigermb: install "switch"
[12:38] <thoreauputic> tigermb: you might want to install  a gtk engine as well
[12:38] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, give me a min
[12:38] <tigermb> thoreauputic: ok thanx
[12:39] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, sorry front door, it is day time here :-)(
[12:40] <topyli> get rid of them :)
[12:40] <thoreauputic> tigermb: I think a line like "include mygtk " or something is required in .gtk2.0 or somewhere like that, but I forget the details - you can set up your own .gtkrc like that
[12:40] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, do this - remove the precent u go to the following link and try to start firefox and see what happens http://www.google.com
[12:41] <bob2> metalsand: have you asked on the user list yet?
[12:41] <bob2> what did they say?
[12:41] <tigermb> thoreauputic: hmm okay, switch doesnt work all themes look the same
[12:42] <topyli> tigermb: true, doesn't work here either
[12:42] <thoreauputic> tigermb: that's what I found too - you might need to point your .gtk-2.0 file at your preferences
[12:42] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, does that make sense - gnome is an environment as much as it is a wm
[12:42] <thoreauputic> tigermb: as I say, I forget the details
[12:42] <tigermb> i have no .gtk-2.0
[12:43] <tigermb> only gtkrc
[12:43] <tigermb> and .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
[12:43] <sam_> maybe somebody can help me, i have installed totem to watch my divx but the sound don't work and its the same when i listen mp3 music however i have installed  gstreamer0.8-mad the sound is very strange like a broken loudspeaker
[12:44] <sam_> is it possiblie its due to my sound card driver?
[12:44] <tarzeau> anyone to play #bub-n-bros   http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me now?
[12:45] <topyli> tarzeau: just found this great game yesterday :)
[12:45] <Rattboi> tarzeau: I have to install it first
[12:45] <tarzeau> topyli: let's play :)
[12:45] <tarzeau> Rattboi: really easy, get game, install python2.3-dev , make, start
[12:46] <sam_> nobody to help me :(
[12:46] <topyli> tarzeau: you have a server running?
[12:46] <tarzeau> topyli: there's one running here: http://codespeak.net:8050/bub-n-bros.html?join=127.0.0.1%3A8000%2F0x4b08&time=1115548657.8
[12:48] <topyli> tarzeau: hrm. i paste that to the dialog, but i return to the start page
[12:49] <tarzeau> topyli: you gray dragon?
[12:49] <tarzeau> topyli: go to metaservers on internet play
[12:50] <onno> on gnome you also have something as Super-karamba. What is the name and how does it work?
[12:50] <topyli> tarzeau: server list page has two servers...
[12:52] <tarzeau> topyli: the bottom one
[12:52] <sascha_> hi, is anybody here who can help with squid and dansguardian?
[12:53] <topyli> tarzeau: ok, now i have a black gameplay window
[12:53] <tarzeau> topyli: try to join, we are 3 players!
[12:56] <oldboy> what is the best Windows Manager?
[12:57] <merriam> oldboy: in what way?
[12:57] <ompaul> oldboy, the best window manager is the one that suits you, my own preference is for gnome, but your needs may be different
[12:57] <oldboy> I want something that is flashy yet functional
[12:58] <oldboy> I am not worried about it using system resources
[12:58] <thoreauputic> oldboy: KDE or Enlightenment :)
[12:58] <oldboy> thank you
[12:58] <gssai> hi
[12:58] <merriam> metacity looks good and is easy and reliable.  sawfish has more features.
[12:59] <gssai> who know channel of ubuntu korean
[12:59] <ompaul> oldboy, try them all
[12:59] <thoreauputic> ompaul: hehe - well he likes flashy ;)
[01:00] <oldboy> Nice
[01:00] <ompaul> oldboy, if you use thunderbird for mail, and firefox for browsing you will not stuck with any one wm
[01:00] <oldboy> does Enlightenment come with the dock?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> Enlightenment is pretty impressive the first time you see it, but I wouldn't want to live there :)
[01:00] <ompaul> afterstep for the best docking around
[01:00] <oldboy> thats the one based on NeXt right?
[01:00] <ompaul> oldboy, correct
[01:00] <thoreauputic> oldboy: not a dock as such, although you could add one I guess
[01:01] <oldboy> how does one add a Dock?
[01:01] <oldboy> I have seen a lot of Linux screenshots with an OSX style dock
[01:01] <mmichelli> has anyone installed the puredata package?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> oldboy: one googles and finds a dock one likes :)
[01:02] <ompaul> oldboy, then one installs it and one sees is it the doc you are looking for or yet another jedi trick
[01:02] <thoreauputic> oldboy: the xfce4 DE has a thing that looks a bit like a mac dock, or there's gdesklets (shudder)
[01:02] <thoreauputic> or superkaramba
[01:02] <mmichelli> do you think beagle is worth while installing?
[01:03] <rookie22> hi
[01:03] <ompaul> lo
[01:03] <mark> newbie question
[01:03] <chronos> hello
[01:04] <mark> when a restricted package is unpackaged and installed, where does it go
[01:04] <ivoks> yeah!
[01:04] <ivoks> no more spam :)
[01:04] <rookie22> auch deutschsprahige unterwegs?
[01:04] <chronos> i got a problem as well. i just got ubuntu or linux for 1 day...and i cant get mp3 support. how does it work?
[01:04] <chronos> ja hier.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> mark: type dpkg -l <packagename> | grep bin
[01:04] <rookie22> hallo
[01:04] <chronos> aber ich hab keine ahnung.
[01:04] <ivoks> chronos ubuntuguid.org
[01:04] <rookie22> das ist gut
[01:05] <ivoks> chronos ubuntuguide.org
[01:05] <rookie22> ich auch nicht+
[01:05] <thoreauputic> mark: or try whereis <nameof app>
[01:05] <chronos> k thx.
[01:05] <mmichelli> chronos: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:05] <chronos> k thx again.
[01:05] <merriam> mark: dpkg -L
[01:05] <merriam> not -l
[01:05] <sascha_> hi, anybody can help with quid and dansguardian?
[01:05] <sascha_> erm....squid
[01:05] <chronos> hey rookie22 hast du ahnung von linux?
[01:05] <rookie22> kann mir jemand helfen, bekomme keine internetverbindung
[01:05] <thoreauputic> merriam, mark, oops yes -L
[01:06] <rookie22> ber wlan
[01:06] <merriam> mark: that's after installing it.
[01:06] <mmichelli> can anyone recommend a good Internet, game?
[01:06] <ivoks> bzflag
[01:06] <ivoks> armagetron
[01:06] <ivoks> acmericas army etc
[01:06] <ivoks> wesnoth
[01:07] <merriam> mmichelli: freeciv
[01:07] <mmichelli> merriam: thanks
[01:07] <ivoks> bzflag man
[01:07] <merriam> freeciv is mostly turn-based, not real time.  ivoks' suggestions are real time.
[01:08] <mark> all: kudos, it works
[01:08] <ivoks> wesnoth is turn-based too
[01:08] <merriam> ah
[01:09] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hey, whatis the best TV viewer for ubuntu ?
[01:09] <mmichelli> merriam: GTK or Xaw3d
[01:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> device viewer shows it has picked up a bt878 device
[01:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> so I figure it should work
[01:10] <merriam> mmichelli: freeciv is both.
[01:10] <mark> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:10] <mark> where does the xorg-driver-fglrx directory reside in?
[01:12] <yahalom> can someone plz help me configure rp-pppoe?
[01:13] <ivoks> yahalom pppoeconf
[01:13] <Scorpion> how do i install "et-linux-2.60.x86.run" ?
[01:13] <ivoks> Scorpion run it
[01:13] <fsapo> morning :)
[01:13] <ivoks> sh et-...
[01:14] <yahalom> ivoks: should i log out of my cable before setting it up?
[01:14] <ivoks> yahalom no... leave it in
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom then it will autodetect modem on ur ethernet
[01:15] <mmichelli> puredata, anyone?
[01:15] <merriam> mark: same answer.  -L
[01:15] <yahalom> ivoks: all i need to do is set that up? i already did adsl-setup will that affect it?
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom adsl-setup?
[01:15] <yahalom> ivoks: i'm using now a cable modem, not my adsl
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom u donwloaded rpppoe? :)
[01:15] <yahalom> ivoks: yes
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom apt-get install pppoeconf
[01:15] <fsapo> hi there.. anyone knows a chess game to play against the computer instead of 3dchess? =] 
[01:16] <yahalom> ivoks: i'll try and be back :) thanx man
[01:16] <ivoks> yahalom ubuntu allready has rp-pppoe, it's called pppoe with pppoeconf as configuration utility
[01:16] <ivoks> yahalom connect modem to ethernet and run pppoeconf
[01:16] <ivoks> u can;t miss
[01:16] <yahalom> ivoks: thanx
[01:16] <thoreauputic> fsapo: install xboard
[01:17] <fsapo> thoreauputic, thanx.. let me try :)
[01:17] <thoreauputic> fsapo: it tends to eat your cpu for breakfast, so be aware of that ;)
[01:18] <ivoks> yeah
[01:18] <fsapo> thoreauputic, but can i play against the computer?
[01:18] <ivoks> and it allways wins :(
[01:18] <thoreauputic> fsapo: yes
[01:18] <fsapo> ivoks, hehe i dont wanna win anyway.. i wanna practice.. and i m really really bored =/
[01:18] <ivoks> in old days, man could acctually win 386 or even 486
[01:18] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I thought it was just me that it always beat ;)
[01:19] <ivoks> but now... no way :)
[01:19] <fsapo> =] 
[01:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> anyone know how to get a TV device (bt878) to work without any pain? :)
[01:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I loaded xawtv, but all I see is black
[01:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> device manager shows that it has bt878 drivers loaded for it
[01:19] <ivoks> try tvtime
[01:19] <fsapo> az[a] zel_ubuntu, no pain no gain :)
[01:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, heh
[01:20] <sascha_> hmmm, squid works. CAnt use the browser anymore *hwap*
[01:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ubuntu is meant to strive for painless right? :)
[01:20] <ivoks> :)
[01:20] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu no
[01:20] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu it strives to be great...
[01:20] <ivoks> pain is normall feeling with linux
[01:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> heh
[01:21] <sascha_> enlighment is the preferred feeling with Linux
[01:21] <thoreauputic> hahah @ ivoks :D
[01:21] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> i've gotten used to mac os x lately... feeling is "mmm, perty".. and that it just works, heh
[01:21] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu i hate it
[01:21] <mark> merriam: got it, forgot that it was a package, thought it was a directory
[01:21] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu a lot of things don't work and are badly designed
[01:21] <Scorpion> ivoks how do i run it? when dblclick it opens gedit
[01:22] <fsapo> az[a] zel_ubuntu, it take some time to get used to the linux way ;)
[01:22] <mark> merriam: no wonder i was mainly ignore =) , thx
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ivoks, works for me :)
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, i've spent more time in linux than on mac os x, heh
[01:22] <ivoks> Scorpion don't double click
[01:22] <ivoks> Scorpion open terminal and type sh et...
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, ibook is a fairly recent addition
[01:22] <daft> I want to strip down the umbutu live cd and alter it for own use nfs home system and stuff  what can I remove from the tree easely
[01:22] <ivoks> try setting up printer from non-mac printer server - no way
[01:23] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yeah i've had problems doing that at uni
[01:23] <fsapo> az[a] zel_ubuntu, =]  btw i just have one box.. and one os.. ubuntu thats all
[01:23] <verden01> Is there a howto to install ATI drivers
[01:23] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, i like to play with different systems
[01:23] <ivoks> and that idiotic thing with AFP, SMB, CIFS and NFS in same place is... well.. idiotic :)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> fsapo: BTW you will need gnuchess installed too
[01:24] <fsapo> thoreauputic, k i ll install it.. but my azureus is sucking my bandwidth.. its downloading the packages @ 350bps haha
[01:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> what's the default TV for australia? just PAL ?
[01:24] <ivoks> and what about that safari?
[01:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> safari is ok.. loads fast, and rss feed has nice interface
[01:24] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu: PAL is it I believe
[01:24] <ivoks> it's apples browser and it don't even support all macosx gui shourtcuts
[01:30] <ivoks> well... bye alll
[01:30] <ivoks> time for lunch :)
[01:30] <ivoks> and F1 :)
[01:31] <fsapo> lol
[01:31] <fsapo> thoreauputic, lost in 3 minutes O_o
[01:33] <thoreauputic> fsapo: the idea is to think ;-)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> fsapo: but it's a pretty high-powered opponent!
[01:33] <fsapo> thoreauputic, i ve made one careless move and it got me with the queen :( but is good for training..
[01:33] <thoreauputic> indeed
[01:35] <cam> not an ubuntu specific question but, is there a way to make 'top' sort processes according to their memory (RES) usage?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> fsapo: maybe you could slow it down by trying to play while compiling something *big* heheh - here it uses 99% CPU all the time
[01:35] <resiak> cam: man top ? :)
[01:35] <jedipottsy> what popular games are there for linux? without using cedega?
[01:35] <cam> resiak: i couldn't find anything about it
[01:35] <fsapo> thoreauputic, hehe good ideia :)
[01:35] <jedipottsy> first person shooter mainly - i am 63bit, but im chrooting now
[01:36] <fsapo> thoreauputic, i will play when i put some movie to encode
[01:36] <amichai> great my adsl works. one thing. it gets stuck at ntp synchronization, as if its not connecting, but finallay when it gives up checking and loads up ubuntu i'm connected, any ideas?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> fsapo: or renice it to +20 maybe ;)
[01:36] <fsapo> amichai, i just turned that off
[01:36] <amichai> fsapo: how?
[01:36] <fsapo> amichai, hum.. let me remenber hehe
[01:37] <amichai> fsapo: u move the file out?
[01:37] <amichai> fsapo: so u also had issues with ntp?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> amichai: man update-rc.d :)
[01:37] <fsapo> amichai, you will need to find the file in the /etc/init.d/ and just delete or move somewhere
[01:37] <amichai> thoreauputic: ? :)
[01:37] <amichai> fsapo: ok
[01:37] <thoreauputic> fsapo: update-rc.d does that for you
[01:37] <fsapo> amichai, yes cause it aways tried to syncronize without starting the adsl conection
[01:38] <amichai> thoreauputic: just type that?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> fsapo: update-rc.d is pretty easy
[01:38] <thoreauputic> amichai: read the man page first - it's very short
[01:38] <fsapo> thoreauputic, didnt know it hehe i just remove the script from the /etc/init.d/ hehe
[01:39] <Arnald> anyone know why Ubuntu runs at 1280x800 under qemu, when X is set up to be 1280x1024 ?
[01:39] <amichai> thoreauputic: nice one, so i can move ntp down so that adsl will connect first?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> amichai: something loke ` update-rc.d ntpdate remove `
[01:39] <thoreauputic> *like
[01:39] <Arnald> cam <SHIFT M>
[01:40] <jedipottsy> how do i install doom 3 on 64bit ubuntu? its open gl so i wont need cedega - ryt?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> amichai: I just run ` sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart` wevery now and then
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: what does that do?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> amichai: if you want it to load last or on gnome startup you can probably add it to .gnomerc I think
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: the restart that is
[01:41] <thoreauputic> amichai: it jst runs the script and resynchronises the time
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: i lost my gnome :( i installed kde and my gnome didnt like it and left me
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: seriously i can find it
[01:42] <thoreauputic> amichai: hmm... have you tried startingit from a tty with ` startx /usr/bin/gnopme-session` ?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> bleh - typos
[01:42] <thoreauputic> gnome-session
[01:43] <amichai> thoreauputic: no. i tried making a new gnome.desktop and moving it into xsessions
[01:44] <amichai> thoreauputic: where can i see what the exact name for the ntpudate script is?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> amichai: did you install the gtk-qt engine? That caused troubles here
[01:44] <amichai> thoreauputic: i just installed kubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <thoreauputic> amichai: try looking in /etc/init.d for the script - but if you use update-rc.d ntpdate remove I think it  should work
[01:46] <amichai> thoreauputic: ah the remove comes afterward. oh well
[01:46] <thoreauputic> amichai: did you choose kdm or gdm ?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> amichai: either way, gnome-session should be in the sessions dialogue in theory...
[01:47] <amichai> thoreauputic: thats a problem. i dont remember choosing anythin. and until yesterday i had gdm, and this morning kdm showed up, and my xsessions restarts once in a while
[01:47] <foxiness> what is the best book store "linux-boot" on the net "and fast"?
[01:47] <foxiness> sorry linux-book
[01:48] <thoreauputic> amichai: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall gdm and see what happens. You might need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[01:49] <thoreauputic> amichai: else try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:49] <amichai> thoreauputic: its doing that
[01:49] <thoreauputic> one or the other...
[01:49] <amichai> thoreauputic: invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[01:49] <amichai> thoreauputic: does that mean gdm took over?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> amichai: hmm - probably
[01:50] <thoreauputic> log out to see
[01:50] <amichai> thoreauputic: ok
[01:50] <thoreauputic> you may have to run /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:50] <thoreauputic> or restart
[01:52] <[muttox] > anyone here reakon they could help me with sound problems for an sblive?
[01:53] <jolteon> hello , i am new to ubuntu (used slackware before) my problem is i cant start gaim in the terminal it says "Display not set" or something like that , help plz
[01:55] <merriam> jolteon: Does it mean DISPLAY?  echo $DISPLAY
[01:55] <amichai> thoreauputic: can u do me a favor boet. can u gedit /etc/usr/xessions/gnome.desktop copy its contents and post it on pastebin.com? plz. i think i have the wrong settings.
[01:56] <amichai> thoreauputic: i adapted them from kde.desktop
[01:56] <shadeofgrey> how do i get totem to play DVD's again?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> amichai: hmm - hang on a sec
[01:56] <Orph> hi.
[01:56] <amichai> thoreauputic: thanx
[01:57] <estra> can somebody help me with a logitech quickcam express, it works fine, but i got blue images
[01:57] <AndyR> anyone here going to http://www.lugradio.org/live/2005/
[01:57] <thoreauputic> amichai: no such file exists on my system
[01:58] <shadeofgrey> thor:  how do i enable DVD playbavck in totem again?
[01:58] <estra> and I can't get images if I wan't live streaming out of the window
[01:58] <amichai> thoreauputic: really? so how do u get gnome on ur menu?
[01:59] <merriam> esher: I don't know the software.  Doesn't your camera work with the built-in software for stills?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> amichai: looking
[01:59] <estra> it works fine, i use spca5xx driver and i use motion
[02:00] <amichai> thoreauputic: k
[02:00] <estra> if i put the camera outside the house
[02:00] <thoreauputic> amichai: I think it's /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop
[02:00] <estra> i get blue pictures or completely white pics
[02:00] <thoreauputic> looking now
[02:00] <amichai> thoreauputic: right, prob,my typo .sry
[02:01] <[muttox] > anyone have experience getting an sblive card working with ubuntu?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> amichai: looks like the one, I'll paste it for you
[02:02] <jolteon> merriam it says gdk-critikal
[02:02] <merriam> estra: I haven't seen that problem.  Can the pictures be adusted with gimp?
[02:02] <amichai> thoreauputic: thanx
[02:02] <estra> gimp???
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> thor:  dvd playback in totem?
[02:03] <estra> merriam i come private
[02:03] <merriam> jolteon: DISPLAY should be set...
[02:03] <joha> Hi all!
[02:03] <joha> How do you change Ubuntu from English to German?
[02:04] <fsl> why are most packages outdaed?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> amichai: http://pastebin.com/281232
[02:04] <tarzeau> fsl: for example which?
[02:04] <fsl> firefox
[02:05] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: sorry, rather busy atm
[02:05] <fsl> and gnome
[02:05] <amichai> thoreauputic: thanx man. man, do u know how to stop my isp from overwriting my dns settings? i dont want my isps too slow
[02:05] <thoreauputic> amichai: no, I don't know that one: I guess you could write a one-line script to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[02:06] <jolteon> merriam,  i think that too but i dont know where to do that
[02:06] <amichai> thoreauputic: lol no wonder my gnome doesnt work. i have two lines
[02:06] <shadeofgrey> thor:  its alright.  im just going to install vlc
[02:06] <fsl> so how where do i get an updated sources.list?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> amichai: most of those lines are localisation stuff - only a few are relevant
[02:07] <aleitner_> does anybody know how i can add handlers for custom protocols in gnome?
[02:07] <kyncani> joha: run base-config i'd say
[02:07] <joha> kyncani: Thanks!
[02:07] <aleitner_>  /usr/share/services/ seems to not influence gnome apps
[02:09] <merriam> jolteon: It should be set if you start gaim from the menu.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: I think you need to use the gconf editor
[02:09] <shadeofgrey> whats my DVD known as in dev if its the second, and a DVD disk?
[02:10] <rwabel> hi
[02:10] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: you might need to add a protocol there - I forget the exact place
[02:10] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: i see. will search
[02:10] <rwabel> I've made a big mistake in visudo. I can now no longer use sudo with my username. Is there a way to change it back?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> rwabel: boot into recovery mode, and edit it from there ( you should be root in recovery mode)
[02:12] <ThomasWinwood> Guhhhhh. 3840 bytes per second from backports. ><
[02:12] <rwabel> thoreauputic: thanks
[02:12] <merriam> jolteon: DISPLAY=:0 gaim
[02:13] <thoreauputic> amichai: any luck?
[02:13] <amichai> thoreauputic: this is insane every two minutes its overwriting my dns, i tried making it non writeable, i tried editing /etc/dhcmp3/dhcmp.conf but it still does it
[02:13] <thoreauputic> every 2 minutes??
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: havent logged out yet
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: maybe every 5
[02:14] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: there is indeed something (/desktop/url-handlers ) but neither firefox nor epiphany seem to care about those entries ...
[02:14] <thoreauputic> I see
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: often
[02:14] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: hmm.. unfortunately I forget which section I had to edit
[02:15] <neofeed> is it possible to downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[02:15] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: but it was in gconf?
[02:15] <Seveas> neofeed, possible but awfully sifficult
[02:15] <Seveas> neofeed, you shouldn't upgrade at all now
[02:15] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: yes, but this was a long time ago on gnome 2.4 I think
[02:15] <neofeed> Seveas, too late .... :)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: I'm sure it's doable though
[02:15] <amichai> thoreauputic: i apt-get dnsmasq, but i dont know how  that would help
[02:15] <neofeed> Seveas, the only problem I got is that the gimp-cups driver don't work...
[02:16] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: ohh. ok, on 2.4 i could do it too (;
[02:16] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: iirc there was even control-center support for it then. but in 2.10 that seems to be all gone
[02:16] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: which protocol ?
[02:16] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: ed2k (;
[02:16] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: yes, in some ways gm=nome is going backwards
[02:16] <aVeedo> There a new #coding channel at HTS.org and they want people who can, specifically, code.
[02:16] <thoreauputic> *gnome
[02:17] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: overall i am pretty pleased. its a huge project. i guess some regressions are unavoidable
[02:17] <thoreauputic> amichai: did you get gdm back?
[02:17] <bob2> aVeedo: that's awesome but off-topic
[02:18] <amichai> thoreauputic: yeah i reconfigured and chose kdm, why i wont be able to have gnome with kdm?
[02:18] <darkaudit> aleitner_: such as the file-roller directory selection bug... it's been fixed upstream, but doesn't look to be fixed in Hoary
[02:18] <Orph> I ordered some ubuntu CDs... sure is taking a long time. heh
[02:18] <thoreauputic> amichai: oh - you can have it
[02:18] <bob2> Orph: did you order them before hoary came out?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> amichai: but that file I pasted for you is for gdm I think (maybe it's for both, I don't know)
[02:19] <Orph> it was maybe a week or two ago
[02:19] <darkaudit> one would think that significant usability bugs would be updated when fixed
[02:19] <jolteon> merriam, if i write "DISPLAY=:0 gaim" in the terminal it it starts gaim in gnome but i want to start it in the terminal,
[02:19] <Orph> I know next to nothing about linux...
[02:20] <bob2> Orph: then you'll have a few more weeks to wait
[02:20] <dLx> why my internet too slow?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> jolteon: how can you start an X app in a terminal?
[02:20] <bob2> darkaudit: is there an ubuntu bug about it?
[02:20] <Orph> I just have some spare PCS laying around, so I considered using linux on them, and ubuntu had alot of good word out ther.e
[02:20] <darkaudit>  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[02:21] <darkaudit> um... that one :)
[02:21] <dLx> help me !! why my internet connection in ubuntu too slow?
[02:21] <ThomasWinwood> How do I reset my panel to how it was at installation?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> dLx: are you on dialup?
[02:21] <bob2> dLx: a) you need to be less vague. b) don't demand help from complete strangers.
[02:21] <fsl> so how where do i get an updated sources.list?
[02:22] <bob2> fsl: what do you mean "updated"?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> fsl: if you have a hoary list that works, that's it
[02:22] <jolteon> merriam, o i thougt it was the same as irssi, is there any program so i can run msn in the terminal??
[02:22] <fsl> thoreauputic, i have the old ubuntu warty warthog or something
[02:22] <ompaul> Orph, go for it
[02:22] <bob2> fsl: wiki.ubuntuc
[02:22] <dLx> i`m not on dial-up
[02:22] <bob2> fsl: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:23] <thoreauputic> fsl: well, if you want more up to date apps, you need to upgrade to hoary
[02:23] <jolteon> merriam, thx for helping me =)
[02:23] <fsl> wtf?
[02:23] <dLx> i`m on broadband connection...
[02:23] <fsl> i need to reinstall?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> fsl: no
[02:23] <ThomasWinwood> How did you read "upgrade" as "reinstall"?
[02:23] <bob2> fsl: of course not
[02:23] <thoreauputic> fsl: you need to do a dist-upgrade
[02:24] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: got it. needs to be entered via about:config in either firefox or epiphany
[02:24] <bob2> fsl: this is a real operating system, you upgrade on the fly.  read the wiki page I pointed you at.
[02:24] <ompaul> fsl, loose that thinking now :-) this is Linux not some other stuff
[02:24] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: aha !
[02:25] <Liverman> anybody here knows how to change the character encoding in ubuntu ?
[02:25] <amichai> thoreauputic: ok its on my login menu now but when i login i get this error" /usr/bin/gnome-session not found
[02:26] <thoreauputic> amichai: oops
[02:26] <amichai> thoreauputic: do i need to copy gnome.desktop to there too?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> amichai: no
[02:26] <amichai> thoreauputic: reinstall gnome?
[02:26] <[muttox] > anyone had experience getting a sblive to work under the emu10k1 driver?
[02:26] <amichai> thoreauputic: on xfce i can see all my gnome apps
[02:26] <thoreauputic> amichai: what does ` which gnome-session` return ?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> amichai: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:27] <bob2> [muttox] : works out of the box
[02:27] <amichai> thoreauputic: come again
[02:27] <amichai> thoreauputic: i should. i mean this is ubuntu not kubuntu
[02:27] <thoreauputic> amichai: type `which gnome-session` and tell what it says, if anything
[02:28] <amichai> thoreauputic: blank
[02:28] <thoreauputic> amichai: you might have uninstalled ubuntu-desktop - it's a metapackage
[02:28] <thoreauputic> try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <amichai> thoreauputic: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> yup
[02:28] <amichai> thoreauputic: wow! it really is gone
[02:29] <amichai> thoreauputic:its installing the whole thing again
[02:29] <merriam> jolteon: probably.  I don't know msn.
[02:29] <amichai> thoreauputic: i didnt remove it man
[02:29] <darkaudit> argh... BBC f1 feed cut off :(
[02:29] <amichai> thoreauputic: kde removed it?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> amichai: if you installed kubuntu-desktop without ubuntu-desktop present, you might have had these issues
[02:30] <ThomasWinwood> What's this damn phantom box which appears on my panel every so often? It's highly annoying.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> yahalom: if you installed, for example, totem-xine, it might have removed ubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <neofeed> does anyone run breezy with gimp-print driver?
[02:30] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i did install totem-xine
[02:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: well, see if reinstalling ubuntu-desktop restores your gnome settings
[02:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I suspect it will
[02:32] <yahalom> thoreauputic: ok
[02:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: most of the stuff should be already there so it shouldn't be a big download
[02:33] <thoreauputic> in fact it should all be there locally unless you deleted your apt cache archive
[02:37] <AzMoo> What do I need to install for the JRE?
[02:38] <mindmedic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:38] <jacquesmerde> hey, i see that ubuntu has a lovely gui tool for setting up shared folders over NFS. is there an equivalent tool for ACCESSING shared folders over NFS?
[02:38] <mindmedic> try gnome network browser
[02:40] <jacquesmerde> mindmedic, is that the thing that's part of nautilus? or is it something i have to install?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: have you looked at the connect to server dialogue ?
[02:41] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, not yet. i guess there's more going on under the hood than i first guessed
[02:41] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: but in any case once you have NFS set up you can just browse to the mountpoint...
[02:42] <jacquesmerde> yeah , its setting UP NFS that i've never done before. i guess it will be educational
[02:43] <mindmedic> jacquesmerde, look in the locations menu... and read the gnome help... it will teach you how to get the most out of gnome
[02:43] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, can you just tell me which package(s) i need to install so i can just follow the standard nfs how-to. there's nfs-common (with portmap as its obvious dependency). but do i need one of the extra server packages as well?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: for a server you need nfs-kernel-server
[02:44] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: at least that's what I use
[02:44] <jacquesmerde> i haven't looked at gnome help for ages. last time i looked at it it was almost as bad as windows help. i use xfce4 mainly anyway
[02:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ok it works.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: aha!
[02:45] <yahalom> thoreauputic, only issue now is that i get an error once logged in
[02:45] <thoreauputic> \o/
[02:45] <yahalom> thoreauputic, error activating XKB configuation
[02:45] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thats what i was afraid of. i figure ANY package with the word `kernel' in it is going to be well out of my ability to use
[02:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: and the error is?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: not so
[02:45] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, do i have to reboot to use it?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: I'll give you a URl, hang on
[02:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic, any idea?
[02:46] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, cheers, i love to RTFM, its just that i can never FTFM
[02:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i changed my keyboard driver to kbd, could that be it?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
[02:46] <kazuhiro`> evening
[02:46] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: quite readable and useful
[02:47] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I don't know
[02:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ok thanx. u helped a lot :)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: the key files are /etc/exports , /etc/hosts , /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny
[02:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: and you don't have to reboot, just restart the various services
[02:49] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: but be sure you enable portmap listening on interfaces other than 127.0.0.1 ( which is the security default)
[02:50] <norro> hi, i just noticed, that my lan connection is only 10mbit, although it should be 100mbit. can you tell me, where to configure it? i can't find it
[02:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: there's a line that needs uncommenting in /etc/defaults/portmap, from memory
[02:51] <bob2> dLx: don't /msg people
[02:51] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thats the how-to i already had. i assume all the things you just mentioned will be in the how-to already, yeah?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> bob2: you too? I already told him... :/
[02:52] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, i was just worried that that wierd package might mean i have to do something other than just follow the how-to.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: pretty much, althoughit isn't "debian centred"
[02:53] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: the nfs-kernel-server enables your box to act as a server, that's all
[02:53] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: other distributions probably call it nfsd or similar
[02:55] <fsapo> anyone here uses avidemux?
[02:56] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, so do i have to replace the command nfsd with something?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: umm... not sure what you mean. To restart the daemon use /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart I think
[02:57] <thoreauputic> with sudo, of course
[02:57] <G`StarDust> New to this channel.... I hope it's ok to just blurt out a question out of the blue and get a reply... =)
[02:58] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: yup
[02:59] <G`StarDust> Cool. Well I have an old PowerBook
[02:59] <G`StarDust> I was wondering if it can handle ubuntu
[02:59] <kazuhiro`> Any one know how to get java jre working in firefox on amd64?
[02:59] <G`StarDust> PowerBook G3 Series II 333Mhz 64MB RAM
[02:59] <G`StarDust> No not Series II
[03:00] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: not really enough RAM
[03:00] <G`StarDust> A Lombard
[03:00] <CarinArr> hey, quick question.. i seem to have problems mounting floppy's that were formatted in windows
[03:00] <G`StarDust> There's no older version that I could use?
[03:00] <CarinArr> the filesystem type in fstab is set to auto, does anyone know how i can make ubuntu read them?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> CarinArr: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /your/mountpoint
[03:01] <thoreauputic> CarinArr: try changing fstab to vfat instead of auto
[03:01] <CarinArr> okay
[03:02] <CarinArr> cool that works
[03:02] <CarinArr> thanks
[03:03] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: to use gnome you need about 128MB RAM. Else you could try a "server" install and specify a different window manager/ desktop like xfce or fluxbox etc
[03:03] <G`StarDust> Ok
[03:03] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: or try Debian's ppc version of Sarge
[03:04] <G`StarDust> Yeah, I've heard about fluxbox. That's what people have been recomending me.
[03:04] <shinu> hey!
[03:04] <jeroen_> hey!
[03:04] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: it's quick and light :)
[03:04] <shinu> what do i have to install to have no major problems with compiling programs from source?
[03:04] <shinu> there was some kind of package i think...
[03:04] <jeroen_> well, maybe... a compiler?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Shinjan: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:04] <G`StarDust> Thanx for the help *idle*
[03:04] <exalted> s.a.
[03:05] <kazuhiro`> Is there a java plugin for ubuntu 64bit for firefox?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> oops, I meant shinu
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: :D
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: thanks :D noticed that one :)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shinu: got it?
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: yuh thanks :D
[03:05] <jedipottsy> get 32bit firefox
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Shinjan: lazy tab completion
[03:05] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get ut2004 64bit working?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> oops again
[03:06] <jedipottsy> i downloaded the demo, and i have installed it, but it wont run
[03:06] <darkaudit> argh... f-in tape delay CBS :(
[03:06] <shinu> thoreauputic: hahaha! :D
[03:06] <jedipottsy> i go to load it, and it comes up with the "loading ut2004" thing, but the game doesnt start
[03:07] <thoreauputic> shinu, your nick completes to that unless I type the whole thing :)
[03:07] <shinu> thoreauputic: or you hit tab a few times xD
[03:08] <Myrtti> is there any way of getting Sound Juicer read audio CD faster and ripping it faster too?
[03:08] <jeroen_> kazuhiro`: there's no java for 64-bit
[03:09] <kazuhiro`> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_03-b07)
[03:09] <kazuhiro`> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_03-b07, mixed mode, sharing)
[03:09] <kazuhiro`> you mean no plugin for firefox?
[03:09] <brosio> jeroen_, thera many version of java
[03:09] <brosio> 64 bit
[03:10] <brosio> don't say stupid thing
[03:10] <brosio> Kazuhiro, yes
[03:10] <brosio> u could find it on blackdown.org
[03:10] <kazuhiro`> 32bit  chroot the only way?
[03:10] <brosio> not in offcial repository
[03:10] <brosio> no...
[03:10] <brosio> 64bit
[03:11] <jedipottsy> i did the chroot and install 32bit linux, with flash
[03:11] <kazuhiro`> I have java install no probs, but im after some firefox plugins for internet banking
[03:11] <jedipottsy> but it still crashes when i go to load any site with flash
[03:11] <exalted> the main target of the main repository is to be officially supported or containing all free software available?
[03:11] <brosio> http://www.blackdown.org/
[03:11] <Myrtti> hm
[03:12] <Myrtti> this is horrible, ripping CD's takes an hour?
[03:12] <shinu> anyone can tell me what zlib is?
[03:12] <Myrtti> per CD?
[03:13] <jeroen_> exalted: official support
[03:13] <neofeed> shinu, zip compression lib
[03:13] <kazuhiro`> brosio, I have java installed, on that link Im not seeing much about plugins though, does the package have 64bit plugins for FF
[03:13] <exalted> jeroen_, thx
[03:13] <jeroen_> exalted: universe is free, multiverse is non-free
[03:13] <shinu> neofeed: can i just apt-get install zlib?
[03:13] <jeroen_> exalted: restricted has restrictions on it
[03:13] <exalted> jeroen_, so universe repo. is completely free?
[03:14] <neofeed> shinu, try? :)
[03:14] <jeroen_> exalted: As far as I know, yes
[03:14] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, i just followed the how-to on setting up the server...all i had to do was add a line to /etc/export and list the directory
[03:14] <shinu> neofeed: well it doesnt work xD
[03:14] <tritium_> Myrtti, do you have dma enabled on your CD drive?
[03:14] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, were you saying i need to do more if i'm using ubuntu?
[03:14] <shinu> neofeed: says: cant find package zlib
[03:14] <jedipottsy> is it better to just re-install ubuntu but with 32bit instead of 64bit?
[03:14] <exalted> jeroen_, so main and universe repositories have no problems with restirctions or non-free softwares?
[03:15] <neofeed> shinu, apt-cache is your friend
[03:15] <jeroen_> exalted: yes
[03:15] <neofeed> shinu, zlib1g - compression library - runtime
[03:15] <exalted> jeroen_, thx
[03:15] <Myrtti> tritium_: I have no idea, to tell you the truth
[03:15] <tritium_> shinu, apt-cache search zlib, and you'll find it.  It's not just "zlib"
[03:15] <neofeed> shinu, zlib-bin - compression library - sample programs
[03:15] <neofeed> zlibc - Uncompressing C Library
[03:15] <shinu> ok..
[03:15] <tritium_> Myrtti, hdparm can tell you, and help you set it if it's not set
[03:16] <shinu> thanks a lot neofeed tritium_ :D
[03:16] <neofeed> y0, welcome dude!
[03:16] <neofeed> scnr
[03:19] <tritium_> shinu, of course :)
[03:19] <Myrtti> dammit
[03:19] <Myrtti> hmmmmh
[03:20] <Nalioth> howdy
[03:23] <Myrtti> I feel so retarded
[03:23] <jeroen_> get help :-/
[03:23] <Myrtti> ok, let's ask then
[03:24] <Myrtti> which one of these things is my CD-ROM drive?
[03:24] <Myrtti> so I can set DMA on with hdparm
[03:24] <Nalioth> we are all retarded in some way
[03:24] <Dew> Now I have gcc 3.3 and 3.4 when I run gcc --version it will show me version 3.3 How do I use gcc 3.4
[03:24] <neofeed> Myrtti, where have you conneced it to?
[03:24] <neofeed> Myrtti, prim master/slave, sec. master/slave?
[03:24] <Myrtti> :->
[03:25] <Myrtti> I guess I'll have to take a look
[03:25] <Myrtti> brb
[03:25] <neofeed> no you don't.
[03:25] <darkaudit> Myrtti: how many CD/dvd drives do you have?
[03:25] <Myrtti> no?
[03:25] <Myrtti> one
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: it's most likely to be /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[03:25] <neofeed> Myrtti, what does dmesg | grep CD say?
[03:25] <Myrtti> neofeed: thanks.
[03:25] <neofeed> that should tell you something like /dev/hdc or so...
[03:26] <neofeed> Myrtti, you can also do 'cat /dev/fstab |grep cdrom''
[03:26] <neofeed> that should show you where ubuntu found your cdrom.
[03:26] <Myrtti> ok, so how do I set the hdparm on now that I know where the damn thing is?
[03:26] <Myrtti> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdb ?
[03:27] <neofeed> should do it... (i think)
[03:27] <deus> Where can i find the x11 headers for ubuntu
[03:27] <deus> im using x86_64
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: and add an entry in /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:27] <neofeed> deus, in the -dev package
[03:27] <Myrtti> /dev/hdb:
[03:27] <Myrtti>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[03:27] <Myrtti>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Input/output error
[03:27] <Myrtti>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:27] <neofeed> prolly xorg-dev or so.
[03:27] <deus> I have problems with installing mplayer
[03:27] <Myrtti> lovely
[03:28] <Myrtti> i think I'll go and do something about that conf file
[03:28] <neofeed> Myrtti, you sure /dev/hdb is you cd drive?
[03:28] <darkaudit> Myrtti: try /dev/cdrom instead
[03:28] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thanks for your help. NFS is working a freakin' treat
[03:28] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: :)
[03:28] <Myrtti> well, that's what the dmesg|grep CD told me
[03:28] <thoreauputic> you're welcome
[03:28] <Myrtti> and /dev/cdrom doesn't work at all, no such file or directory
[03:29] <neofeed> anyone might assist me fixing my damn cups install?
[03:29] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, one question though. since i'm sharing quite a crucial folder. will nfs-kerel-server run automatically on boot each time, or just when it;s started explicitly?
[03:29] <darkaudit> hmm... is it a CD or DVD drive?
[03:29] <Myrtti> plain CD
[03:29] <neofeed> Myrtti, hmm... welll not good...
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: it normally starts on boot
[03:29] <neofeed> Myrtti, does 'cat /etc/fstab |grep cdrom' say /dev/hdb too?
[03:30] <benz> how do i change myself to root permissions
[03:30] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you should be OK if you set up the right protestions in /etc/hosts.allow and so on
[03:30] <neofeed> benz, sudo bash
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> neofeed: sudo -s
[03:30] <Myrtti> neofeed: lol
[03:30] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, so by installing nfs-kernel-server, it just put itself in rc.conf under daemons?
[03:30] <Myrtti> cat: /dev/fstab: No such file or directory
[03:30] <neofeed> Myrtti, etc!
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> Myrtti: /etc/fstab
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> not /dev
[03:30] <neofeed> Myrtti, /etc/fstab
[03:30] <benz> neofeed:  i mean permanently
[03:30] <Myrtti> oh
[03:31] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: in debian distros, that would be in /etc/init.d
[03:31] <neofeed> benz, use windows
[03:31] <morlaa> hi
[03:31] <Myrtti> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0
[03:31] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, my etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny are both empty. if i make the onyl folder listed in exports trivial, does that mean there's no security risk outside that folder?
[03:31] <benz> come on dude
[03:31] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you can remove it with update-rc.d if you wish
[03:31] <neofeed> Myrtti, hmmm well... if you can't set it... maybe your bios blocks?
[03:31] <neofeed> benz, that wasn't ment to be funny!
[03:31] <jeroen_> benz, you seriously want to log in as root?
[03:31] <neofeed> benz, running root all the time is nuts!
[03:32] <Myrtti> neofeed: could be
[03:32] <jeroen_> benz, that's crazy
[03:32] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, isnt init.d a directory? does ubuntu boot every daemon in /etc/rc.d/ at boot?
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, you can instantiate a root session...
[03:32] <jeroen_> benz, sudo passwd
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: I would recommend you set up your etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny according to the how to
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, for temporary use
[03:32] <benz> no i just want to freaking delete this folder in my desktop
[03:32] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[03:32] <nico> does anyone here have a logitech mx510 mouse
[03:32] <jeroen_> nico, I have mx310
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, so? 'sudo rm -fR ~/Desktop/<foldername>'
[03:32] <benz> WITHOUT doing it by the command like
[03:32] <krusbjorn> yo
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, okay...
[03:32] <benz> why the hell cant i do stuff graphically
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, install midnigt commander
[03:33] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: the "Debian Way (tm)" is a bit different ;)
[03:33] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, nah. i'll live dangerously. actually, i have a fairly strong feeling that since i disabled WEP, my neighbours have been accessing the net through my router
[03:33] <tigermb> hey my nvidia driver works, but when i restart X everything seems to be fine except that the fps is very very slow
[03:33] <neofeed> benz, and then run sudo mc
[03:33] <benz> its a waste of time to type all that when i should just be able to click on the folder, and press DELETE
[03:33] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, got a how-to on how debian handles which daemons it loads and doesnt at startup so i can RTFM?
[03:33] <benz> seriously
[03:33] <jeroen_> benz, you can...
[03:33] <nico> i can't get the scroll ,cruise, buttons to work
[03:33] <jeroen_> seriously
[03:33] <neofeed> benz, go install windows... if you don't want security
[03:33] <benz> ok get off your high horse
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: not at hand - but plenty of Debian info linked from debian.org
[03:34] <topyli> kung foo tse say: he who play with root, eventually kill tree
[03:34] <benz> if i wanted to do everything by a command line, i'd have installed SmallLinux
[03:34] <neofeed> benz, mabye you should start questioning yourself how you got a *non-deletable* directory onto your desktop.
[03:34] <jeroen_> benz, pressing delete *does* work...
[03:34] <benz> whats the damn point of a GUI if you gotta do everything command line
[03:34] <tigermb> hey my nvidia driver works, but when i restart X everything seems to be fine except that the fps is very very slow
[03:35] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: also try " apt-cache search debian | grep doc | less  "  ;-)
[03:35] <benz> oh i know
[03:35] <benz> i unpacked a tar in root terminal
[03:35] <jeroen_> ah...
[03:35] <benz> so technically root made it
[03:35] <benz> gay
[03:35] <darkaudit> Myrtti: you wouldn't be using a SATA drive as your main hdd, would you? I had a SATA drive as my only hdd, and I couldn't change any DMA settings on my DVD drive. Once I put in an IDE drive, DMA worked normally...
[03:35] <topyli> benz: so, delete it the same way you made it
[03:35] <jeroen_> right mouse button -> properties -> permissions
[03:35] <neofeed> yea. If you use a root session to create a folder. you have to use a root session to delete it ... or change the permissions
[03:35] <jeroen_> try hat
[03:35] <jeroen_> that
[03:35] <nico> benz create a shortcut for sudo nautilus
[03:36] <benz> permissions are greyed
[03:36] <Myrtti> darkaudit: nope, that's too new hardware for my system
[03:36] <benz> ok
[03:36] <neofeed> jeroen_, since when can a NON root user change permissions on a ROOT owned folder?
[03:36] <neofeed> that would be like a loophole in the PAM
[03:36] <topyli> they can't
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: is your CD ROM old enough to not be capable of dma ?
[03:36] <neofeed> benz, Applicaion-> exec. chown <your username>:<your username> ~ -R
[03:37] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I don't think so
[03:37] <neofeed> ohh benz you should prepend gksudo
[03:37] <benz> still learning here, what do you mean exactly
[03:37] <Myrtti> I'll go an use the google
[03:38] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, gezundheit!
[03:38] <neofeed> benz, as you want to use GUI... you can simply click: 'Appliaions -> Exec command' and enter 'gksudo chown <your user name>:<your user name> ~ -R'
[03:38] <Myrtti> oh furk.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: ? Did I sneeze or something ? *g*
[03:38] <benz> oh ok
[03:39] <neofeed> benz, if you run that. A input box for the root password should appear. and afterwards. everything should be owned by you (in your home directory)
[03:39] <benz> and then how do i remove root permission
[03:39] <neofeed> so as you 'Desktop' is part of your home directory. even the folder ON your desktop is owend by you and you can modify it the way you like.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: or are you just wishing me good health ?
[03:39] <neofeed> benz, chown changes the OWNER ...  the -R runs recursively.
[03:39] <fsl> How do I access my USB Card-reader in Ubuntu?
[03:40] <neofeed> So after you executed that. There is no more *root* owned stuff in your homedirectory.
[03:40] <neofeed> fsl, plug in the USB card reader. plug in a card
[03:40] <neofeed> and see what pops up.
[03:40] <Dew> Now I have gcc 3.3 and 3.4 when I run gcc --version it will show me version 3.3 How do I use gcc 3.4
[03:40] <neofeed> Ubuntu should mostlikely pop it up on your desktop automatically.
[03:40] <neofeed> [GONE] 
[03:40] <Myrtti> the damn thing is on the DMA-blacklist
[03:41] <tsume> DMA-blacklist?
[03:41] <benz> its too bad i cant get 3D accelerated drivers
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: ah, well remove it then ;)
[03:41] <benz> without breaking suspend/resume
[03:41] <netmonk> is there a repository from which i can intall the firefox1.1?
[03:42] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, since i have no wep, and no hosts.deny, my neighbours now have some serious access to my machine. since my computers connect to the router via dhcp, i dont know which IP's to block. oh well
[03:42] <tsume> netmonk: apt-cache search firefox
[03:42] <tsume> netmonk: what entry is there, is the only one there :)
[03:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22HITACHI+CDR-8435%22+dma&selm=39kvK-6F6-11%40gated-at.bofh.it
[03:42] <benz> jacquesmerde: can's you just do a MAC address filter on the router?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: use a wildcard to block everything outside your lan
[03:42] <fsl> neofeed, nothing pops up
[03:43] <jacquesmerde> benz, theoretically yes. but my laziness if an oft underestimated variable
[03:43] <benz> haha
[03:43] <benz> ok
[03:43] <netmonk> tsume, i meant the latest version, not the ones that comes with hoary
[03:43] <jamesio> how many of you are familiar with systems that have many hard drives?  (10+)
[03:43] <benz> i mean, its probably the most secure thing to do, and easiest as long as you don't have like 30 computers
[03:43] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: note the order in which hosts.allow and hosts.deny are read
[03:43] <tsume> netmonk: you can build it yourself
[03:43] <yonil> how can i open wine full screen ?
[03:43] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, how? just add a single * to hosts.deny, and 192.168.1.* and 127.0.0.1 to /etc/hosts.allow and learn to trust my neighbours?
[03:44] <ThomasWinwood> Which folder are fonts kept in? Where in the directory tree?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: oh - that's a wireless issue: what I know about wep etc would fit comfortably on a postage stamp, sorry
[03:45] <tsume> netmonk: ii  mozilla-firefox                   1.0.2-0ubuntu5                    lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[03:45] <jacquesmerde> i decided along time ago that i couldnt be bothered paying attention to net security. so i just make sure that i never have anything on my computers i wouldnt mind anything else reading and/or deleting
[03:45] <tsume> netmonk: even breezy has 1.0 still
[03:46] <jamesio> here's my question: what would you suggest for setting up a system that has six 160 gig drives (internal) and seven external 300 gig usb2 drives?  I'd like to stay away from raid if at all possible.
[03:46] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone here confirm a rythmbox bug for me?
[03:47] <benz> does anyone know how i can view/browse a norton ghost backup image in linux?
[03:47] <tsume> jamesio: buy a good hardware raid card
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> jamesio, depends on what you want to do with it.
[03:47] <jamesio> can't do that with external usb2 drives
[03:47] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, advice we (where I used to work) used to give to 99% people, never put something in email you would not mind seeing in the sunday newspapers
[03:47] <tsume> the cards only cost 600-1000 if you get a good one :)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: looks like the kernel devs had a momentary mental blackout :/
[03:47] <ompaul> the other one percent we used to teach to use gpg/pgp
[03:47] <jamesio> well, in windows what I originally did was create a .net program to backup the data from the 6 drives (they were a large software raid) onto the external drives
[03:48] <tsume> software raid stinks
[03:48] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I guess I have slim chances of getting DMA on?
[03:48] <jamesio> but in windows, you can't raid external drives via software raid
[03:48] <jamesio> and you can't raid usb2 drives in hardware...
[03:48] <ThomasWinwood> Where do I find the font folder in the directory tree, and how do I install fonts from another folder?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I don't know enough to answer that, sorry
[03:48] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I take that as a yes
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: maybe an older kernel would work?
[03:48] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i can just imagine the major headline in such a sunday newspaper, "18 year old computer geek sends midly amusing URL to a group of his friends"
[03:49] <netmonk> tsume, i'm using it, but when it's not installed it doesn't automaticly open html files, that's why i was wondering if there was a deb package - i cant' seem to find one
[03:49] <fsl> Anybody here know how to access an USB card-reader?
[03:49] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: could be, but I'd rather not downgrade
[03:49] <Myrtti> fsl: plugging it in has worked for me
[03:49] <Myrtti> :->
[03:49] <fsl> O.o
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: 2.6.8.1 seems an OK kernel to me..
[03:49] <ompaul> ThomasWinwood, if you have built the locatedb ?if not run sudo updatedb then find fonts you are using in the relevant app and move the others to that location, its a hack and should work :)
[03:49] <tsume> netmonk: I'd advise you to stop using software raid and get raid card for the drives in the computer
[03:49] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone here help me figure out a rhythmbox bug?
[03:50] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, say it is not so :)
[03:50] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I think downgrading might not be worthwhile, I use the CD-ROM so seldom
[03:50] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, can you deny it?
[03:50] <Myrtti> like once in two months
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: maybe it's fixed in 2.6.12, if you feel like compiling one...
[03:50] <jamesio> tsume, I think you were talking to me on that one.  a hardware raid card won't help me when using external usb2 cards
[03:50] <jamesio> er, drives...
[03:50] <marty> ThomasWinwood: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FontInstallHowto
[03:51] <piLLE> anyone know how to set up an encrypted loop back device? got a problem with losetup: "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: the argument is not valid"
[03:51] <piLLE> losetup -e xor /dev/lp0 somejunk
[03:51] <benz> whats the advantage of building stuff on your computer
[03:51] <benz> or is there
[03:51] <topyli> not much
[03:52] <jamesio> personally, I'd rather stay away from raid.  I'm trying to determine the best way to set up all 13 drives without using raid, so that I can easily use all the space and use 1/2 the space to backup the other 1/2
[03:52] <benz> can i make windows snap to the edges in Gnome?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> benz: sometimes it's the only way, if no packages are available for what you need
[03:52] <Seveas> jamesio, raid can do that for you..
[03:52] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, actually i run my computer such that i wouldnt mind if my hdd got spontaneously wiped. i keep all my important information etc backed up on gmail. if someone hacks that, i'm screwed
[03:53] <thoreauputic> benz: shift-drag if I remember correctly
[03:53] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> so how am I supposed to add options to a module that is loaded at boottime? (in this case, the bttv module) ?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> benz: something like that anyway
[03:53] <mirak_> hi
[03:53] <ompaul> benz and conversely if it is in a package don't go reinventing the wheel you might break something :)
[03:53] <benz> ah good call
[03:53] <mirak_> I am looking for an anti banners proxy
[03:53] <jamesio> seveas... the problem is that 7 of the drives are external usb2 300 gig drives.  the last thing I want to do is raid them.  if one flakes out, I lose tons of stuff.
[03:54] <benz> haha yeah youre talking to someone who not less than two days ago had been using windows for years
[03:54] <jamesio> benz, me too
[03:54] <darkaudit> benz: personal example... MAME. Ubuntu is still on v. 0.86, when the current version is 0.96. I compiled the new one and installed to /usr/local/bin. Gxmame finds both executables, and gives me the choice which one to use :)
[03:54] <Seveas> jamesio, raid prevents flaking out on disk failure...
[03:54] <benz> so dont worry about me trying to invent anything in linux
[03:54] <thoreauputic> benz, welcome to the Free World ;-)
[03:54] <jamesio> off and on I used gentoo and other linux distros, but windows most of the time
[03:54] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, well, a simple comment, be careful who you trust
[03:54] <benz> you mean, the LEGALLY free world
[03:54] <benz> :P
[03:54] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> i want to add the pal=b option to the bttv module, but im not supposed to edit /etc/modules.conf..
[03:55] <thoreauputic> benz, I refer to Freedom and not price :)
[03:55] <benz> gotcha
[03:55] <Seveas> az[a] zel_ubuntu, edit it as root :)
[03:55] <jacquesmerde> so is there really no quick and simple way in debian just to set a daemon so it isnt started at boot?
[03:55] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Seveas, nah, the top of the file says I shouldn't edit it manually
[03:55] <jamesio> thor, me too.  I had winxp on the machine I'm talking about and decided to pull it off and "bite the bullet" and put ubuntu
[03:55] <topyli> benz: hold shift while you drag a window. it will snap to nearest edge (desktop edge or a nearby window)
[03:55] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Seveas, so I figure there is a "proper" way to add options to modules? or what, I dunno
[03:55] <benz> i got it, thanks
[03:55] <benz> works great
[03:56] <jamesio> after I set up my server, I'm going to move my dual amd 2400 system to ubuntu
[03:56] <thoreauputic> benz,  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[03:56] <jamesio> the fear I have is that I have 3 monitors and winxp works well with it
[03:56] <benz> the only real thing now is to try and migrate all my windows files and email and appointments over
[03:56] <benz> that is gonna be a bitch
[03:56] <Seveas> az[a] zel_ubuntu, read the manpage for moddutils
[03:56] <topyli> benz: which app holds your information now?
[03:57] <jamesio> anyone here near New Orleans?
[03:57] <morlaa> hi / can someone help me to play my cds ?
[03:57] <benz> i have my hd partitioned
[03:57] <topyli> benz: and what do you want to use on linux?
[03:57] <son> whoever programs in python go to the channel #pyprogrammer
[03:57] <morlaa> i can mount cd/player and burner, but i can not play them
[03:57] <benz> but i had outlook 2003
[03:57] <Seveas> son, don't spam here
[03:57] <morlaa> i edited /ect/hdparm.conf
[03:57] <thoreauputic> morlaa: you can't get sound with CDs ? Is that it?
[03:57] <Seveas> and the python channel is #python
[03:57] <morlaa> no, it just does not play cds
[03:57] <son> i am not spamming
[03:57] <thoreauputic> morlaa: you don't mount audio CDs BTW
[03:57] <morlaa> cdplay says nodisk
[03:58] <morlaa> i know, but i can mount data/cds
[03:58] <Seveas> son, asking people to join another channel is spamming..
[03:58] <topyli> benz: you're right. it's going to be hard, unless you find some conversion script on freshmeat.net or something
[03:58] <son> oh..
[03:58] <morlaa> just audio/cds are not recognised
[03:58] <benz> yeah...ill come back to that later
[03:58] <jacquesmerde> whoever is sick of spammers go to #sonshouseandhurthim
[03:58] <benz> thanks for the help
[03:58] <thoreauputic> morlaa: try using xmms or beep-media-player with digital output
[03:58] <jamesio> ok, first real question: if I'm planning on the system to be a server, would you suggest that I install it using the "server" option?
[03:59] <jamesio> morlaa, check out the new user install script in the forums.  it's a stickie post at the top of the tips forum
[03:59] <morlaa> well, i discovered this problem usring gnomebaker to copy a cd
[03:59] <Seveas> jamesio, the "server" option gives you a minimum install with no gui (and also no server programs), if you have no experience with linux or you simply want a gui: don't use the server option
[03:59] <jamesio> it helped me on a laptop.  it installed everything and I was able to play cds and dvds right away
[03:59] <DanglyBits> is there a way to make a complete backup of ubuntu so if my system goes down I have a full versions of ubuntu on another HD that I can just plug in and i would be gack in business?
[03:59] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, I did but he was not home, there was a sign on the door, back in a few gone spamming
[03:59] <morlaa> the gnomecdplayer also does not work
[04:00] <jamesio> seveas, any issues with the gui locking up after long periods of non-use?
[04:00] <morlaa> although, after i added the dma=on to hdparm.conf and rebooted, now the computer freezes totally when i try the gnome/player
[04:00] <Seveas> jamesio, you meen xscreensaver?
[04:00] <jamesio> the system used to sit in a closet without monitor/mouse/kb and ran for weeks at a time
[04:00] <topyli> ok, we just won F1, now it's hockey time :)
[04:00] <Seveas> morlaa, then disable it again
[04:01] <thoreauputic> DanglyBits: there are ways - using the `dd` command for instance
[04:01] <darkaudit> topyli: speak for yourself :p :)
[04:01] <jamesio> seveas, I just mean the gui using more resources than a prompt-only machine
[04:01] <Seveas> gui always uses more resources...
[04:01] <darkaudit> topyli: bastards cancelled the hockey season here :(
[04:01] <morlaa> seveas / then i would be at the beginning, no ?
[04:01] <DanglyBits> thoreauputic: tried that but when i plug it back in in wont boot
[04:01] <LISP> where can i set the ip and so forth?
[04:01] <LISP> i mean txt
[04:02] <jamesio> I know that.  what I'm asking is that if you had any experience with the gui running for weeks at a time... if it'll just lock up (like windows does)
[04:02] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, did you leave some junkmail in his letterbox?
[04:02] <Seveas> jamesio, don't worry about that under linux :)
[04:02] <LISP> furthermore, i want to change the mac at bootup
[04:02] <DanglyBits> thoreauputic: is that something to do with MBR?
[04:02] <LISP> where do i put the command?
[04:02] <topyli> darkaudit: world championships man! fin-can is on
[04:02] <thoreauputic> jamesh: I've had the GUI running for up to seven weeks without issues
[04:02] <LISP> i know the commands
[04:02] <jamesio> ok.  the end result is that I want the system to be a samba server and run rsync to back up the files on it
[04:02] <LISP> just don\t remember the /etc files
[04:03] <thoreauputic> DanglyBits: probably - I don't really know, never having tried it
[04:03] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, lots of expired offers
[04:03] <jamesio> and I'll have to investigate freenx
[04:03] <thoreauputic> jamesio: sorry that post was meant for you ^^
[04:04] <Nalioth> jamesio, you may run your box forever (or as long as the power company lets you)
[04:04] <thoreauputic> DanglyBits: I believe you have to dd the whole drive ( hda as opposed to say hda1) or make a separate copy of the mbr
[04:05] <Nalioth> jamesio, however, the more wild and crazy you get with your box, ymmv
[04:05] <jamesio> I plan on installing ubuntu on 4 machines: dell inspiron 8200 [p4m 1.8, 512m, 1600x1200] , compaq presario laptop [cel 700, 512m, 1400x1050] , pseudo-server [cel 2.4, 1 gig, 6x160gig, 7x300 gig, no monitor in the end]  and my desktop [ dual amd 2400, 2 gig, 3 monitors, 1.2ter] 
[04:06] <jamesio> and possibly the ibook I just inherited
[04:06] <jamesio> nalioth, that machine is going to be as barebones as possible
[04:06] <jamesio> stability is my goal
[04:07] <ompaul> jamesio start with the desktop that way you will irc and web for the issues with the others :)
[04:07] <jamesio> hehehe... I'm on the ibook right now
[04:07] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, you should have given him a nice picture postcard from some lovely lawyer from nigeria
[04:07] <Nalioth> jamesio, then you should be able to run forever (ILM has a linux box that has been in constant use for over 7 years)
[04:07] <jamesio> just for that reason
[04:07] <Nalioth> jamesio, i am using my iBook also
[04:07] <deus> can you connect to two servers at once?
[04:08] <deus> with irssi?
[04:08] <topyli> deus: sure. use /connect instead of /server
[04:08] <joey_> noob here!
[04:08] <jamesio> funny thing too, I just gave away 6 computers yesterday
[04:08] <topyli> deus: or was it the other way around? i forget
[04:08] <jamesio> best one was a celeron 800, but the room was getting too crowded
[04:09] <son_of_j1> anyone who likes koalas! go to http://savethekoalas.blogspot.com !
[04:09] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, ohh the office number 419 in building 419 district 419 etc?
[04:09] <jamesio> ok, here goes on the system install (on the pseudo-server)
[04:09] <son> anyone who likes koalas! go to http://savethekoalas.blogspot.com
[04:09] <jamesio> should I leave it at ext3 for the 80 gig boot?
[04:10] <ompaul> son that is really spam
[04:11] <topyli> jamesio: ext3 is tried and proven
[04:11] <Nalioth> jamesio, i wonder where i was in line.. .. .. .. :P
[04:11] <jamesio> the one thing that blew me away when I was doing tests is that ubuntu found and used my new gigabit network card without issue
[04:11] <Deffie> hi all, i'am a debian user and i'm getting ubuntu isos for installing in a friend's desktop pc, but he doesnt have a fast internet connection so i was wondering if there are contrib cds with additional stuff
[04:11] <ompaul> jamesio, boot 100 megs is all you will ever need unless you back up every thing you ever run live and intented to keep non working stuff on the box and ext3 is fine
[04:11] <Nalioth> jamesio, ubuntu is the most user friendliest (out-of-the-box) distro i've foune
[04:12] <jamesio> nalioth, I agree
[04:12] <jamesio> I've been telling everyone about it..... and I've only used it for a week
[04:12] <jamesio> and that's in vmware
[04:12] <dv8> hello everybody i'm having the following problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32529  any ideas what to do ?
[04:12] <LISP> ubuntu is good
[04:12] <LISP> but
[04:13] <LISP> it's a bit unstable..
[04:13] <LISP> i'm using it on a amd64....and everything crashes
[04:13] <Seveas> ubuntu is stable
[04:13] <Seveas> run te 32bit version on amd64 and you'll see
[04:13] <ompaul> LISP, I had it doing office stuff on a 64bit machine at a comp show for a couple of days no issues
[04:14] <jamesio> I'm with seveas... I won't be running any 64bit code for a year or so.
[04:14] <LISP> ompaul: i tried to watch a movie in gmpalyer, kaffeine, xine, vlc
[04:14] <LISP> nothing works right
[04:14] <ompaul> LISP, except at the end of the second day when it did not recover after I did rm -rf /
[04:14] <LinasG> I need help with partitions. Parted is buggy :(
[04:14] <LISP> :D
[04:15] <jamesio> ompaul, you really wanted to do that, huh?
[04:15] <ompaul> I did
[04:15] <gert> nederlanders hier?
[04:15] <jamesio> haha.  personally, I get a kick out of running killdisk on machines
[04:15] <Seveas> gert, zeker :)
[04:15] <Seveas> gert, en in #ubuntu-nl nog meer
[04:15] <ompaul> show was over and I was wondering if it would be dead before we had to pull the power
[04:15] <LinasG> my issue with partitions is not simple :(
[04:15] <gert> leek in ubuntu
[04:15] <LinasG> check http://pastebin.com/281270
[04:15] <jamesio> since I work in a medical company, we have to do it... normally I let my guys do it, but I get a kick out of it
[04:16] <Seveas> rm -rf / is nice to do :)
[04:16] <LISP> better dd :D
[04:16] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[04:16] <Deffie> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[04:16] <Seveas> dd -if /dev/null -of /dev/hda :)
[04:16] <Seveas> grm
[04:17] <Seveas> too slow :)
[04:17] <Deffie> :P
[04:17] <Seveas> and bad syntax :)
[04:17] <jamesio> dv8... you should look at the new user install script in the tips forum
[04:17] <dv8> jamesio: i'll take a look right now
[04:17] <jamesio> I ran it on my test box and it installed everything needed for me to run dvds, play cds and mp3s
[04:17] <jamesio> it took about 20 minutes, but it worked perfectly first time
[04:18] <ompaul> LinasG, is the a first time install or what exactly are you trying to do?
[04:18] <jamesio> the java download takes 20 minutes....
[04:18] <jamesio> the rest is fast
[04:18] <LinasG> I was trying to resize partition
[04:18] <gert> join ubuntu-nl
[04:18] <LinasG> not the first time
[04:18] <LinasG> using Ubuntu since 4.10
[04:18] <dv8> jamesio: can you give me a direct link please ?
[04:18] <Seveas> gert, probeer eens /join #ubuntu-nl
[04:18] <Seveas> gertm dat / streepje maakt veel uit :)
[04:18] <jamesio> oh geez... hang on.  I'm on my ibook and don't have it set up
[04:18] <jamesio> hang on
[04:19] <morpheu> hi everybody
[04:19] <LinasG> and I can't fix partitions hda6 and hda7
[04:19] <jordanau> hi
[04:19] <Seveas> ih
[04:19] <LinasG> How could I delete them
[04:19] <morpheu> why the package: kismet. on the ubuntu repositories it's so damn old?
[04:19] <ompaul> LinasG, I would try to delete them but given what is written in there I would nervious enough to back up everything first
[04:19] <dv8> jamesio: if you fix this for me i'll buy you a beer :)
[04:19] <jamesio> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:20] <jamesio> there it is... oh, and I don't drink beer
[04:20] <jamesio> I'm more of a long-island-tea kind of guy
[04:20] <LinasG> ompaul, I've tried. No success.
[04:20] <ompaul> LinasG, 'fdisk /dev/hda' type m for help iirc and have fun
[04:20] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[04:20] <ompaul> LinasG, you tried what?
[04:20] <LinasG> tried fdisk cfdisk
[04:21] <jamesio> linasg, are you in gnome?
[04:21] <ompaul> LinasG, got your data backed up?
[04:21] <LinasG> I think I'm ok without backup
[04:21] <jamesio> if you are, install gparted.  it's an easy partition manager.
[04:21] <LinasG> I understand the risk
[04:21] <jamesio> you can highlight just the pieces you want to wipe out and do it
[04:22] <ompaul> LinasG, understanding is one thing - accepting is another :)
[04:22] <LinasG> gpart is crashing
[04:22] <jamesio> um... ok
[04:22] <LinasG> ok, I can paste the error
[04:22] <ompaul> LinasG,  the problem is that both hda6 and 7 have the same addresses
[04:22] <ompaul> LinasG, na just point to the paste bin
[04:23] <LinasG> ompaul, http://pastebin.com/281279
[04:23] <LinasG> How could I correct it? as it's allways crashing
[04:23] <pschulz01> Greetings.. what is the IRC channel for launchpad?
[04:23] <jamesio> pastebin, that's a new one on me
[04:24] <ivoks> yeah! i killed spam :)
[04:24] <ompaul> LinasG, pass it back to the nice parted people
[04:24] <LinasG> any more sugestions how to correct it?
[04:24] <ompaul> LinasG, or to the nice ubuntu people
[04:25] <jamesio> have you tried the livecd?  maybe booting out of the os that it's on could help
[04:25] <ivoks> correct what?
[04:25] <LinasG> heh :) greetings from lithuanian Ubuntu community
[04:25] <dv8> jamesio: you are the man !!! i think the thing i needed was xine-ui
[04:25] <dv8> jamesio: anyway, thanks a lot
[04:25] <jamesio> dv8, glad I could help
[04:26] <jamesio> that script the the $hit
[04:26] <jamesio> er, is the...
[04:26] <LinasG> ivoks,  check http://pastebin.com/281270
[04:26] <ompaul> LinasG, I am thinking that the table on the drive has been written in a fashion that does not make sence to anything that tries to read it
[04:26] <jamesio> linasg, do you happen to have a second drive?
[04:26] <ompaul> LinasG, what really puzzles me is that you have hda3 and hda4 there with not data
[04:26] <LinasG> no. just one 40gb
[04:26] <ompaul> LinasG, what really puzzles me is that you have hda3 and hda4 there with no data
[04:27] <dv8> jamesio: i owe a long island tea then :) ... i didn't use the script i just saw what it installs and i figured :) thanks
[04:27] <ompaul> LinasG, I really think you need to press the big red button on that one to get it working again
[04:27] <ivoks> lol
[04:27] <ivoks> i have even better one :)
[04:27] <jamesio> ompaul, that's because 3 and 4 aren't being used because 5 starts at the extended partition set
[04:27] <jamesio> at least that's how it works in nt
[04:28] <jamesio> dv8, no prob.  glad I could help.
[04:28] <ivoks> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
[04:28] <jamesio> linasg, I do have a suggestion... but I'm going to get yelled at for it
[04:28] <ivoks> my partition fdisk can't even read
[04:28] <ompaul> jamesio, not using a zero sized partition is not a problem it is just a funny way to set up a drive
[04:29] <ivoks> LinasG how did u get such a partition table?
[04:29] <jamesio> make a windows boot disk from an xp machine and use it's fdisk to delete those partitions
[04:29] <ivoks> LinasG i know is't possible on PPC, but on i386?
[04:29] <LinasG> I'm on i386, HP Pavilion notebook. No FDD...
[04:30] <ivoks> LinasG u have one primary and one extened partition... ok
[04:30] <ompaul> LinasG, you have a bug (a) report it and live with it until it is fixed (B) report it and nuke the drive start again (C) something else
[04:30] <LinasG> :)
[04:30] <LinasG> I think I'm gona nuke it... damm thing.
[04:31] <ivoks> LinasG why?
[04:31] <mirak_> how to know the port a programm is listening on ?
[04:31] <ivoks> this isn't wrong, guys
[04:31] <Nalioth> jamesio, have you had success running java on PPC?
[04:31] <ivoks> this is ok fdisk output
[04:31] <jamesio> nalioth, haven't tried it yet
[04:31] <ivoks> and ok partition table
[04:31] <ompaul> ivoks, look at the partitions hda6/7
[04:32] <Seveas> mirak_, which program?
[04:32] <ivoks> ompaul well same as hda3/4
[04:32] <LinasG> OK, I'm gonna send bug report, but keep trying to fix it
[04:32] <ivoks> ompaul 0size partitions
[04:32] <ivoks> he should just erase hda6/7 and hda3/4
[04:32] <ompaul> ivoks I hav not problem with 3/4
[04:33] <ompaul> ivoks I have no problem with 3/4
[04:33] <ompaul> ivoks, my issue is with 6/7
[04:33] <ivoks> paritions overlap
[04:33] <ivoks> parted can do that
[04:33] <ivoks> it's crapy app
[04:33] <ivoks> but, it's fisable
[04:33] <ivoks> fixable
[04:33] <deus> Make install wont WORK!
[04:33] <jamesio> gotta love the battery kicking off hibernate
[04:34] <spektr> hmm... turning on dma does not work on my ide disks (HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted). is the hoary kernel compiled without dma-support? (linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7-smp)
[04:34] <mirak_> Seveas: any
[04:34] <deus> ive tried to install mplayer and it wont do with both the cvs and source
[04:34] <ivoks> problem with parted is that it will allow u to do stoopid things
[04:34] <ompaul> ivoks, You found a bug in GNU Parted.  Please email a bug report to bug-parted@gnu.org containing the version (1.6.20), and the following message: <-- LinasG got that as a message
[04:35] <jamesio> ok, the server just finished installing a clean ubuntu
[04:35] <ompaul> ivoks, I have had it blow up on me in the past
[04:35] <ivoks> ompaul why should i report bug? i don't know how did he did this
[04:35] <ivoks> ah..
[04:35] <ivoks> .sorry
[04:35] <ompaul> ivoks, /.
[04:35] <ivoks> misunderstood :)
[04:36] <deus> ,
[04:36] <deus> c,e
[04:36] <deus> clear
[04:36] <deus> dir
[04:36] <elcu> hello, is there any other way to debug crashes other than the system log?  i've had lock-ups when using vi in gnome-terminal in visual mode and highlighting stuff.  i don't know if i keep pressing the wrong button or something, but it seems to highlight all the text below the cursor and then freezes.  it seems to occur randomly.
[04:36] <MM1> hi, is there a way to change the primary soundcard to another soundcard ex : 0,1 tp 0,0 and vice versa?
[04:36] <ivoks> ompaul ./? firefox bug :)
[04:36] <housetier> deus http://housetier.ath.cx/downloads/mplayerconfigure.sh.txt
[04:37] <jacquesmerde> dumbass question, how do i find out how big a directory is, like dos used to tell you at the end of 'dir'?
[04:37] <Seveas> mirak_, try netstat
[04:37] <thenuke> jacquesmerde: with du
[04:37] <Seveas> netstat -l (could be -L) is even better (read the manpage to find out why :))
[04:37] <mirak_> ok
[04:37] <LinasG> filled bug report.
[04:37] <thenuke> jacquesmerde: use man du see options what you can use with it
[04:38] <jacquesmerde> thenuke, cheers. was ahead of you on the man file. not understanding it yet though
[04:39] <thenuke> jacquesmerde: mostlikely you dont need any options, but -h makes it tell the sizes in human readable format
[04:39] <ivoks> lol
[04:39] <ivoks> Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled.
[04:40] <jacquesmerde> crikey, 6gig. how long would that take to send wirelessly across a lan via nfs?
[04:40] <ompaul> ivoks, LinasG  I have had parted blow up on me in really horrible ways, I thought I had lost 3 newish hard drives - (less than one month old) by giving them a nuke with some floppy that clears all data from the machine worked for me
[04:41] <Nalioth> jacquesmerde, see you tomorrow
[04:41] <ompaul> ivoks the fact that LinasG's software said 'bug' was news for nerds :)
[04:41] <jacquesmerde> Nalioth, so hours not days?
[04:41] <jacquesmerde> we're talking 802.11b here...
[04:41] <elcu> anyone? there must be an alternative error log or something?
[04:41] <ivoks> ompaul :)
[04:42] <ivoks> hm
[04:42] <ivoks>  You are not authorized to access bug #292691.
[04:42] <ivoks> hm
[04:42] <^thehatsrule^> can try gdb for debugging, as a guess
[04:42] <ivoks> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292691
[04:43] <gazzie> anyone using VLC?
[04:43] <Nalioth> jacquesmerde, i've sent 2.3g across a b network in about 4 hours
[04:43] <gazzie> i have a dvd playback issue
[04:43] <jamesio> gazzie, what's the issue?
[04:45] <exalted> Uuntu himself installs as default gcc-3.3, i want to upgrade to gcc-4.0, but i think this isn't an upgrade issue, because it isn't considered as an upgrade, but an indipendent install issue. So after installing also gcc-4.0 (which i already did) when i'm trying to remove the "old" gcc-3.3 it tries to remove almost every piece of my system. What can you say about this?
[04:45] <^thehatsrule^> jacquesmerde, should be faster than Nalioth's, since the standard is 10/100MBps
[04:45] <gazzie> when i try to play a DVD with menus
[04:45] <gazzie> VLC just closes
[04:45] <Nalioth> jacquesmerde, yes you should be very quick, if you are wired
[04:45] <ivoks> exalted u aren't removing gcc-3
[04:45] <snugglebunny> I've switched from KDE/Slackware to Gnome/Ubuntu and I'm quite happy apart from one thing. How do you edit the application menu in Gnome. I need to add programs and can't work out where the files for items are stored.
[04:45] <exalted> ivoks, ?
[04:45] <gazzie> and when i do dvdsimple, i can only load 1 episode (like on my 24 discs) and i have no sound
[04:45] <jamesio> exalted, it's a dependency issue.  you're removing the system that ubuntu was compiled with...  almost like taking the tires off of your car
[04:46] <^thehatsrule^> snugglebunny, i believe its .desktop files
[04:46] <Bill^Gates> hi room
[04:46] <^thehatsrule^> lol Bill^Gates
[04:46] <ompaul> we have quality software
[04:46] <ivoks> exalted try this:
[04:46] <Bill^Gates> is mark shuttleworth here?
[04:46] <ivoks> exalted sudo aptitude purge gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4
[04:46] <ThomasWinwood> Bill to the power of Gates? Ironic.
[04:46] <exalted> jamesh, so what should i do? recompile the whole system with the new gcc?
[04:46] <exalted> jamesh, sorry
[04:46] <exalted> that was for jamesio
[04:46] <snugglebunny> aha, /usr/share/applications
[04:46] <exalted> jamesio, that was for you
[04:47] <ivoks> exalted don't remove libstdc++5-3.3
[04:47] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: yes, the menu shortcuts are in /usr/share/applications for gnome, edit an existing one to create a new one
[04:47] <exalted> ivoks, what is it anyway?
[04:48] <snugglebunny> Bill^Gates, Are there any graphical tools available. Slackware may have got me used to text files but I'm suprised there isn't a clean way of doing it
[04:48] <ompaul> in 1976 on January 21 a bunch of lies where written - see the proof, install ubuntu today
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted what? libstdc++?
[04:48] <gazzie> jamesio, any ideas on my problem?
[04:48] <synd> how come backports is so slow?
[04:48] <exalted> ivoks, a complete remove of the gcc removes almost the whole system beside.
[04:48] <jacquesmerde> Nalioth, not wired
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted no
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted remove of libstdc++ remove everything
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted not removal of gcc
[04:49] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: i do this always:  open terminal, su to root, then type gedit /usr/share/applications/application.desktop and then put in the launcher name etc
[04:49] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: that really is the easiest way to do it... i dont know why the gnome guys disabled the possiblity to add/edit menu items
[04:50] <ThomasWinwood> Why is backports so damn slow right now?
[04:50] <ivoks> Bill^Gates search menu-editor
[04:50] <snugglebunny> Oh well. I'll live with it as I'm far too busy to install KDE
[04:50] <exalted> ivoks, here are the 2 elements i want to remove: "cc-3.3"which removes also "cc" and "gcc-3.3-base" which removes a huge part of the system.
[04:50] <ivoks> Bill^Gates or smeg
[04:50] <synd> ThomasWinwood: im asking teh exact same thing
[04:50] <Deffie> there is any additional sw for ubuntu in iso images ?
[04:50] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: of course you replace application.desktop with whatever application sits in the menu under the submenu you want your new one to be
[04:50] <kozz> .
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted don't remove gcc-3.3-base
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted remove only gcc-3.3
[04:51] <exalted> ivoks, why?
[04:51] <Kouros> Hello all! Can someone help me? I am using the Live CD, but cannot get the sound from my RealTek AC97 to work... is this a known problem with the LiveCD and will it all be OK if I install Hoary?
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted gcc-3.3-base is metapackage
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted it doesn't contain anything
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted but it removes libc
[04:51] <jamesio> sorry I ran off ... wife made me take out the garbage
[04:51] <topyli> Kouros: hard to say, but they are different systems
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted and that u don't want to do
[04:52] <Kouros> topyli - Is it possible to install drivers on the LiveCD?
[04:52] <exalted> ivoks, i see
[04:52] <snugglebunny> Final question. Does anyone have a problem with rhythmbox. I have a 70% success rate for it launching. 30% of the time it silently exits without displaying anything.
[04:52] <exalted> ivoks, so no problems if i remove gcc-3.3?
[04:52] <Deffie> exalted: a metapackage is a reference to many packages, asking to remove it you ask to remove all the packages that it references
[04:52] <ivoks> exalted no
[04:52] <topyli> Kouros: not really
[04:53] <jamesio> gazzie, I'm fairly new to ubuntu, but I have found that the "new user install script" in the tips forum (it's a stickie at the top) will install everything to make that work
[04:53] <exalted> Deffie, i know, thx.
[04:53] <exalted> ivoks, note that he removes also gcc
[04:53] <jedipottsy306> can someone help me install doom 3?
[04:53] <Kouros> topyli Silly question, I know
[04:53] <ivoks> exalted that's ok
[04:53] <ivoks> exalted where did u get gcc-4.0?
[04:53] <topyli> Kouros: perhaps you could load modules from the HD if they're correct, and for the correct kernel etc.
[04:54] <jamesio> ivoks, it's a package in the standard apt list
[04:54] <ivoks> exalted is it a deb package or what?
[04:54] <ivoks> jamesio gcc-4.0?!
[04:54] <jamesio> yeah
[04:54] <ivoks> jamesio it is in breezy, but hoary...
[04:54] <Kouros> I wouldn't know where to start, topyli!
[04:54] <jamesio> I installed it from synaptic the other day
[04:54] <exalted> ivoks, it's in repo.
[04:54] <Bill^Gates> how does kubuntu compare to ubuntu?
[04:54] <ivoks> hm...
[04:54] <jamesio> unless I somehow turned on another repository I'm not supposed to
[04:54] <topyli> Kouros: what i do know is that the AC97 is one of the most common chips, so any distro should have support for it
[04:54] <jedipottsy306> kubuntu is ok, but i think ubuntu is much nicer
[04:54] <ivoks> exalted give me apt-cache show gcc-4.0
[04:55] <exalted> ivoks, let me tell you exact.... ok. a sec.
[04:55] <Bill^Gates> gnome looks horrible with its two toolbars at the top and bottom of the screen
[04:55] <sSeEbBiItTaA> hi !!!
[04:55] <exalted> ivoks, it's in universe/devel
[04:55] <topyli> Kouros: install ubuntu, and if the chip doesn't work, buy a $15 sound blaster 128 or something :)
[04:55] <ivoks> exalted only the filename
[04:55] <jedipottsy306> ne1 know what theme this is? http://www.jesusfranco.3qhost.com/images/Screenshot.png
[04:55] <jamesio> yeah, just did a search in synaptic.  gcc-4.0 is a standard package
[04:55] <sSeEbBiItTaA>  alguen conoce algun program p2p ??????????????'''
[04:55] <sSeEbBiItTaA>  alguen conoce algun program p2p ??????????????'''
[04:55] <Seveas> sSeEbBiItTaA, english please...
[04:55] <ivoks> exalted give me apt-cache show gcc-4.0 | grep Filename
[04:56] <Kouros> topyli: Actually, that was my next question. I might as well do that (I can space 25) but I presume the SB will also be OK on the LiveCD?
[04:56] <Deffie> Bill^Gates they are not walled
[04:56] <Seveas> ivoks, it's in universe
[04:56] <exalted> ivoks, Filename: pool/universe/g/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0_4.0-0pre6ubuntu7_i386.deb
[04:56] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/g/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0_4.0-0pre6ubuntu7_i386.deb
[04:56] <Kouros> *spare
[04:56] <ivoks> hm
[04:56] <ivoks> ok
[04:56] <ivoks> i have
[04:56] <jamesio> yeah, what he said
[04:57] <topyli> Kouros: most certainly a real sb will work on any system
[04:57] <ivoks> Filename: pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0_4.0.0-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:57] <jedipottsy306> does no 1 know what theme this is? http://www.jesusfranco.3qhost.com/images/Screenshot.png
[04:57] <ivoks> so, in main :)
[04:57] <ivoks> but that's breezy
[04:57] <Kouros> In which case, I'll pop out to the shops now! Thanks for the advice topyli, it's muchly appreciated!
[04:57] <sSeEbBiItTaA> somebody knows something programs p2p
[04:57] <exalted> ivoks, that's hoary
[04:57] <Kouros> topyli: In which case, I'll pop out to the shops now! Thanks for the advice topyli, it's muchly appreciated!
[04:57] <ivoks> exalted i woulnd suggest using that gcc-4.0 from universe
[04:57] <exalted> i mean this
[04:57] <topyli> Kouros: good sb hunting!
[04:57] <ivoks> wouldn't
[04:57] <Kouros> Ta muchly
[04:58] <exalted> ivoks, while whole breezy unstable? :)
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted no, but that package isn't packaged well
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted it should provided gcc
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted but it doesn't
[04:58] <exalted> ivoks, hmm
[04:58] <Legolas> hello, anyone know how to run a jar as a java application rather than a compressed file?  I know in windows yo ujust run it with the java client, but I can't figure it out in ubuntu.  Trying to use OurTunes.
[04:58] <ompaul> jedipottsy306, no but is it on a ubuntu box :-) or at least that is what the apt-get stuff is saying#
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted if you want to use it
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted use it, but install gcc-3.3
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted and then just change link on `which gcc`
[04:59] <exalted> ivoks, are you kidding with me? :) i've already removed gcc-3.3 =)
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted :) ok then
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted then leave it as is
[05:00] <jedipottsy306> ompaulAFK, ok, whats that mean?
[05:00] <netmonk> what is the easyest way to make a deb file in Ubuntu?
[05:00] <Legolas> so, noone knows how to use a jar file as an application?
[05:00] <joey_> what is involved in  moving from kernel k8(64) to 32 bit ubuntu?
[05:00] <ivoks> netmonk for private use?
[05:00] <jamesio> exalted... you sound like a friend of mine: when he got a windows98 box a long time ago, he deleted dll files because he said "they were taking up too much space on my hd" and wondered why the system was dead
[05:00] <exalted> ivoks, mainly my problem is with anjuta software
[05:00] <exalted> jamesh, have nothing to do.
[05:01] <jamesio> exalted, are you saying you're bored?
[05:01] <ivoks> :)
[05:01] <snugglebunny> netmonk, java -jar file.jar
[05:01] <exalted> jamesh, trying to find a way to solve my problem on anjuta
[05:01] <joey_> 64bit>32 bit, difficult move?
[05:01] <ivoks> netmonk you can use checkinstall, but those packages are bad, don't have dependencies
[05:01] <jedipottsy306> dont use AMD64 ubuntu - nothing works, i rebooted with 32bit and everything works a charm
[05:02] <joey_> how easy was it?
[05:02] <netmonk> ivoks, snugglebunny for provate use .tar.gz package
[05:02] <pla> hello everybody
[05:02] <joey_> do I simply install 32 bit kernel and that's it?
[05:02] <jamesio> anjuta looks pretty cool
[05:02] <jamesio> had to look it up...
[05:02] <exalted> jamesio, that was for you
[05:02] <jedipottsy306> just put the disc in, make sure BIOS boots from disc - and like b4, just install over the old
[05:02] <exalted> jamesh, sorry about that again
[05:02] <Legolas> thankee snugglebunny
[05:03] <ivoks> if anjuta is cool, try eclipse :)
[05:03] <pla> please don't use breezy yet
[05:03] <pla> it's unusable
[05:03] <joey_> so it's an upgrade, then, from iso?
[05:03] <jamesio> are you trying to use gcc4 or is it a requirement of anjuta?
[05:03] <jamesio> "
[05:03] <ivoks> pla ?
[05:03] <exalted> jamesh, nope
[05:03] <pla> yeah
[05:03] <jedipottsy306> can someone tell me how to use a resolution above 1024x768?
[05:04] <exalted> jedipottsy306, it depends...
[05:04] <ivoks> pla we know it's unstable :)
[05:04] <jedipottsy306> 1280x1024
[05:04] <exalted> jedipottsy306, does your monitor support it?
[05:04] <joey_> have you done it?
[05:04] <jedipottsy306> yeah i use 1280x1024 in windows
[05:05] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, if your card supports it edit /etx/X11/xorg.conf add add 1280x1042 as a mode for the colour depth you use
[05:05] <pla> but unstable don't mean unusable ;)
[05:05] <jedipottsy306> 1280x1024 is max
[05:05] <exalted> snugglebunny, ++
[05:05] <jedipottsy306> what command to edit the conf?
[05:05] <snugglebunny> s/add add/and add/
[05:05] <snugglebunny> sudo gedit /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[05:05] <snugglebunny>  sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:06] <pla> i've tried to install a 2.6.11 kernel on my hoary it it has been a nightmare
[05:06] <ivoks> hm...
[05:06] <jedipottsy306> its blank, is that right?
[05:06] <exalted> jedipottsy306, nope
[05:06] <ivoks> there is a lot USN on bugtraq :(
[05:06] <snugglebunny> shouldn't be balnk
[05:06] <ivoks> pla 2.6.11 is crap
[05:06] <jedipottsy306> theres nothing in the xorg.conf
[05:06] <snugglebunny> xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[05:06] <exalted> jedipottsy306, "ocate xorg.conf"
[05:06] <exalted> jedipottsy306, "lcate xorg.conf"
[05:06] <exalted> aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
[05:07] <exalted> "locate xorg.conf"
[05:07] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, my first command was wrong. use the second command
[05:07] <joey_> hehe
[05:07] <snugglebunny> or "slocate xorg.conf"
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> lcate xorg.conf#
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.config
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.roster
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /usr/X11R6/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.gz
[05:07] <exalted> jedipottsy306, the first line
[05:07] <ivoks> don't paste it
[05:07] <ivoks> man
[05:07] <snugglebunny> first line is the one you want
[05:07] <snugglebunny> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> ahh i got it, with stuff in it
[05:08] <exalted> jedipottsy306, that's him :)
[05:08] <snugglebunny> now edit the Modes line to add your mode
[05:08] <snugglebunny> Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768"
[05:08] <jedipottsy306> whats the other resolution - the one between 1024x768 and 1280x1024?
[05:08] <snugglebunny> 11something
[05:08] <snugglebunny> the one that never looks right
[05:08] <exalted> i get "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp"fails sanity check". what can you say about that?
[05:09] <Seveas> 1280x960
[05:09] <Seveas> 1152x768
[05:09] <jedipottsy306> the 1100 one
[05:09] <pla> pourquoi tout le monde parle anglais?
[05:09] <Seveas> exalted, apt-get install build-essential
[05:09] <exalted> Seveas, hmm
[05:09] <Seveas> pla, because this is an english channel
[05:09] <pla> ya pas un franais ici?
[05:09] <Seveas> pla, #ubuntu-fr is french...
[05:09] <Crapounet> pla #ubuntu-fr
[05:10] <jedipottsy306> ok, do i have to do nething now, or just restart?
[05:10] <pla> OK thanks
[05:10] <jamesio> any good recommendations on tools to set up raid on a system in gnome?
[05:10] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:10] <netmonk> if i use a program for mail that i installed manualy, how do i set the rest of the programs to "know" it, so when i click on an email address it opens my program?
[05:10] <pla> it was just a joke
[05:10] <exalted> Seveas, i'm going to do it, but he says this package is for debian package making :)
[05:11] <elcu> netmonk: system->prefs -> preferred apps
[05:11] <Seveas> build-essential will install gcc, g++, make etc
[05:11] <Seveas> thngs you need to compile stuff
[05:11] <a_monkey> you know, the "X MultiMedia System" isn't a very worthy name for that app... it doesn't handle multimedia in any other way than play back audio...
[05:11] <exalted> Seveas, hope it works...
[05:11] <netmonk> thank you elcu
[05:11] <Seveas> a_monkey, and display graphics...
[05:11] <a_monkey> Seveas: it does?
[05:12] <a_monkey> Seveas: didn't know
[05:12] <Seveas> a_monkey, well, otherwise you wouldn't have a gui...
[05:12] <a_monkey> uh, well, that doesn't count
[05:12] <Seveas> hmm
[05:12] <Seveas> disable X then and you'll see how much it counts...
[05:12] <a_monkey> playing back different video types would count
[05:12] <exalted> Seveas, thx so much!
[05:12] <SantaOne> hi
[05:13] <Seveas> a_monkey, not really
[05:13] <Seveas> a_monkey, X doesn;t play back audio files too
[05:13] <SantaOne> Does ubuntu have something like apt-get? (debian)
[05:13] <exalted> SantaOne, sure
[05:13] <SantaOne> exalted: whats the name of it?
[05:13] <exalted> SantaOne, apt himself
[05:13] <Seveas> SantaOne, apt-get, aptitude, dselect, synaptic :)
[05:13] <SantaOne> exalted: wow cool
[05:13] <SantaOne> does it use the same packages as debian?
[05:13] <Seveas> no
[05:14] <exalted> SantaOne, yes-no :)
[05:14] <SantaOne> ?
[05:14] <exalted> Seveas, you shouldn't use'em
[05:14] <SantaOne> are the dependences solved the same great way?
[05:14] <Seveas> all packages are rebuilt by the ubuntu servers and lots of packages have been changed (read: fixed so they work and are integrated)
[05:14] <exalted> SantaOne, everysystem has its internals, it's always better use his packages.
[05:14] <exalted> SantaOne, yeah.
[05:14] <SantaOne> ok and last question:
[05:15] <exalted> SantaOne, yes ubuntu means humanity :)
[05:15] <Zen> yo all
[05:15] <SantaOne> I wanted to use an easier distro than debian.  For example I want that everything works,  my USB 2.0 stick,  my digital-camera should work with my PC and all the other stuff likew automatical detection of my graphic card and so on
[05:15] <exalted> :D
[05:15] <SantaOne> can ubuntu help me with this stuff?
[05:16] <Seveas> SantaOne, it all works :)
[05:16] <exalted> SantaOne, no one can tell you with this info.
[05:16] <SantaOne> exalted: why?
[05:16] <exalted> probably yes, but who knows?!
[05:16] <Amaranth> SantaOne: If you have an ATI Radeon 9250 or lower your graphics are setup automatically, otherwise I think you have to install the package for the nvidia or ati drivers.
[05:16] <Zen> i have a webcam.. and i want to be able to have a vidio conversation with someone on a windows pc..  Also, i dont even know if its working on this pc, anything i can do to test it?
[05:16] <Amaranth> Dunno if they get installed automatically, never tried it.
[05:16] <SantaOne> Amaranth: I have a savage
[05:16] <exalted> it doesn't recognize every single peripheral on earth, that's for sure.
[05:16] <Amaranth> wtf is that?
[05:17] <SantaOne> a graphic card
[05:17] <bpuccio> SantaOne: yes, for the most part ubuntu does this, though there might be some problems along the way, however, I have found that I can get newer software then woody without having to deal with the constant instability of sid all wrapped up in a package designed to "Just Work"
[05:17] <Zen> any body got an idea on how to do it?
[05:17] <SantaOne> hum ok
[05:17] <Zen> the main thing is knowing if it works
[05:17] <SantaOne> is it better than kanotix?
[05:17] <bpuccio> Zen: try gnomemeeting out, see if you can see yourself in there
[05:17] <jedipottsy306> help
[05:17] <SantaOne> I tried out kanotix.  well it works but there are always many errors
[05:17] <exalted> SantaOne, might have problems even with installer also, but it's 10 times better than debian installation experience.
[05:17] <jedipottsy306> i rebooted computer for this resolution thing to take effect
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> and the screen is squished up with black borders down the edge
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> and when i go to change resolution i get this
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available
[05:18] <{DT}> howdy
[05:18] <Zen> bpuccio: Ok..
[05:18] <SantaOne> hum ok
[05:18] <elcu> jedipottsy306: running the fglrx driver?
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> yeah, i did the fglrx driver thign
[05:19] <dantheman> what command do i use to run a traceroute?
[05:19] <alejandro> hi
[05:19] <Seveas> dantheman, tracepath
[05:19] <Seveas> or mtr
[05:19] <dantheman> thanks
[05:19] <Seveas> (you might have to install these with apt-get)
[05:19] <elcu> IIRC, once you're using fglrx, like it says:  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available
[05:19] <alejandro> hmm, someone can provide a mirror? I'm using apt-setup and every mirror I select, I can't access.
[05:19] <jordanau> on my laptop ubuntu install, if i use any resolution other that like 1400x1600 or whatever it it, the size of the screen reduces. Ubuntu even boots with the visible part of the screen being about 5x5 inches! Anyone know what is wrong?
[05:20] <alejandro> so currently I can't update the sources or install any package.
[05:20] <bpuccio> alejandro, I have an i386 binary only mirror if you'd like
[05:20] <jedipottsy306> how do i fix the problem?
[05:20] <exalted> alejandro, can you access to the internet? are you on that machine for now?
[05:20] <alejandro> exalted: yes, it's in the same network. :-)
[05:21] <linitrofe> hi
[05:21] <dantheman> is there a better interface for reading man pages than the terminal?
[05:21] <linitrofe> google?
[05:22] <Juhaz> yelp (the gnome help browser) supports man pages
[05:22] <jedipottsy306> so i have to use synaptic and install new drivers?
[05:22] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[05:22] <exalted> alejandro, i mean can you ping somewhere from that machine?
[05:23] <housetier> dantheman I dont know about "better" but you can use dwww to read the man pages in your favorite web browser, that would be another way
[05:23] <exalted> dantheman, there are man sites
[05:23] <linitrofe> about the channel topic... breezy isn't usable yet?
[05:23] <alejandro> exalted: yes, I can ping to another hosts.
[05:23] <housetier> better is someone subjective
[05:23] <jedipottsy306> elcu, hey, so what do i have to do? uninstall the fglrx drivers?
[05:23] <exalted> alejandro, sorry then, my idea not valid :)
[05:23] <ztonzy> anyone know what to do with gnome-bluetooth-manager freezes at 5% trying to find the device ?
[05:24] <jedipottsy306> elcu, and use the xorg-driver-fglrx that are in the synaptic pm ?
[05:24] <elcu> jedipottsy306: what installation/res. fix instructions did you follow?
[05:24] <bpuccio> linitrofe: probably to keep people from upgrading to it and having something break, it would create a lot of support
[05:25] <jedipottsy306> i followed this guide : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[05:25] <jedipottsy306> and then added 1280x1024 resolution to the file
[05:25] <linitrofe> thanxs
[05:26] <linitrofe> can i help with the fglrx ?
[05:26] <{DT}> hey
[05:26] <bpuccio> linitrofe: whether at this very second or not it is stable, I don't know, but what may work today may not work tomorrow and vice versa... personally, I'll wait a bit before trying it out, i don't have the time right now to deal with something possibly breaking
[05:26] <elcu> jedipottsy306: do you have your monitor rates in the xorg.conf file?
[05:27] <{DT}> I've got a SiS7041 soundcard in my laptop, and it seems to detect it, but when I try to play sound it's not giving me any output
[05:27] <exalted> bye
[05:27] <jedipottsy306> elcu, in the synaptic package manager i get this fglrx-6-8-0 "installed version" 8.12.10-2 latest version (same)
[05:27] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, You need the refresh settings for your monitor
[05:27] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:27] <snugglebunny> Section "Monitor"
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	Identifier	"CS990DC"
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	Option		"DPMS"
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	HorizSync	30-96
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[05:27] <snugglebunny> EndSection
[05:27] <flodine> guys its it ok to use backports sites
[05:27] <Amaranth> {DT}: Is the volume turned up in the volume controls? :)
[05:27] <linitrofe> dt, using alsa? try to unmute the master and wave channel?
[05:27] <snugglebunny> Soryr about the floodbut it seemed easiesty
[05:27] <Amaranth> flodine: No it isn't.
[05:27] <jedipottsy306> how?
[05:28] <fibonacci_nazi> Hey. WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE QUIT LEACHING OFF OF FUCKING DEBIAN AND TRY AND HELP, DAMNIT!
[05:28] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, edit xorg.conf again and add the lines horizsync and vertrefresh to the monitor section
[05:28] <linitrofe> dt, the best way to track it is to install gnome-alsamixer
[05:28] <Amaranth> fibonacci_nazi: ...
[05:28] <{DT}> linitrofe, : I've turned all the stuff all the way up in alsa, and unmuted it, and still nothing
[05:28] <snugglebunny> you need to know the values for your monitor though
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> Depth		24
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> 	EndSubSection
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> EndSection
[05:28] <rhys-hynaws> fibonacci_nazi, Du bist ein schwul.
[05:28] <fibonacci_nazi> that is all
[05:28] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, in the monitor section not the mode section
[05:28] <Amaranth> fibonacci_nazi: I'd say because when I asked for help when I used Debian I got people like you.
[05:29] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, look for the bit that looks like the section I posted
[05:29] <jedipottsy306> o did i do in the wrong section
[05:29] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:29] <snugglebunny> it starts Section "Monitor"
[05:29] <linitrofe> mmm
[05:29] <jedipottsy306> how do i edit it? it wont let me edit
[05:29] <snugglebunny> you need to sudo gedit
[05:29] <snugglebunny> otherwise you won't have permission
[05:29] <jedipottsy306> ok thnx
[05:30] <snugglebunny> when editing config files you generally need to use sudi
[05:30] <snugglebunny> *sudo
[05:30] <flodine> are backport sites unstable sites
[05:30] <Stalker`> hello. the packages i see in add/remove programs -> advanced are everything i can get as binary? if i want something else i have to compile it from source?
[05:30] <linitrofe> {DT}: what are you using to test it? xmms, aplay?
[05:31] <Amaranth> flodine: You will probably have problems upgrading to breezy if you use hoary backports.
[05:31] <elcu> Stalker`: no.  you can use synaptic or apt-get to install packages.  see ubuntuguide.org
[05:32] <jedipottsy306> is there any difference between sudo and root terminal?
[05:32] <linitrofe> i'm using breezy. at the moment nothing breaks up. works fine
[05:32] <flodine> is breezy a new site for upgrading
[05:32] <snugglebunny> jedit sudo is slightly safer
[05:32] <snugglebunny> but I prefer to use root terminal as it's more slack like
[05:32] <Amaranth> flodine: No, breezy will be the next version of Ubuntu.
[05:32] <elcu> Stalker`: IIRC, those apps are just some recommendations, there's shitloads out there
[05:32] <Amaranth> flodine: You can use it know, but there be dragons.
[05:32] <linitrofe> dragons?
[05:33] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, root terminal gives you more opportunity for total destruction. Sudo makes you type an extra 4 characters
[05:33] <{DT}> linitrofe, : I was using the ubuntu hardware compatability thing
[05:33] <Amaranth> linitrofe: Things break on a daily basis.
[05:33] <flodine> where is it
[05:33] <{DT}> and I just tossed a CD in incase that turned out to be the problem
[05:33] <thully> I want to have fairly up-to-date software (as in - I'd like things a couple weeks after they are released upstream) but I don't like waiting 6 months or risking breakage.  What's my best option here?
[05:33] <djm62> linitrofe: they're adding functionality, not avoiding breakage
[05:33] <{DT}> and nutthing
[05:33] <Amaranth> flodine: Things break on a daily basis. It's still in development.
[05:33] <{DT}> now, for something that really flipped my wig, if I turn the mic on, and can get feedback through that
[05:33] <Hannes_> thully: UBP
[05:33] <linitrofe> i'm only giving my experience about breezy
[05:34] <hac> What is the best Bittorent client?i use Azureus but its a memory hog...
[05:34] <jedipottsy306> lol
[05:34] <djm62> thully: can you wait 3 months? you're not missing out on any real functionality (apart from mono/beagle)
[05:34] <linitrofe> i'm a HW developer, i need some stuff of breezy
[05:34] <jedipottsy306> ok how do i find the rates for my monitor - its a shite crt, from like 1995
[05:34] <thully> Mostly, I want new software with bug fixes over the old stuff in Hoary...
[05:34] <elcu> jedipottsy306: brand?
[05:34] <Amaranth> thully: Did PyMusique ever make it?
[05:34] <djm62> thully: the last month of breezy will probably be a smooth ride (certainly compared to the first fortnight, for instance)
[05:35] <thully> Amaranth: in backports, or in breezy?
[05:35] <Amaranth> thully: backports
[05:35] <Amaranth> thully: It won't get into breezy.
[05:35] <jedipottsy306> NEC CI A727
[05:35] <necorium> i've installed all the deb files for isdn connection (ubuntu hoary) and i wanted to know if anyone could tell me about the editing
[05:35] <linitrofe> {DT}: what's that? the best way i have to test alsa it's looking a WAV file and play it with aplay. if it hangs it's a HW problem, if not...
[05:35] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, try google. Or find refresh rates for similar spec and size monitors on google
[05:35] <djm62> for that matter, the "old stuff" in hoary is, what, a month old?
[05:35] <flodine> can i try breezy now
[05:35] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, I'm one of the strange people who keep onitir manuals so I just looked in that
[05:35] <thully> It didn't make it today - they didn't have the dependencies built
[05:35] <linitrofe> linitrofe: test
[05:35] <FireCat> Does anyone know if there is a way to have gnome dialogs center on something other than the center of the screen?
[05:35] <{DT}> thanks
[05:35] <Amaranth> flodine: Do you care if your machine stops working and is unbootable causing you to have to reinstall?
[05:35] <{DT}> I'll give that a shot
[05:35] <rhys-hynaws> fibonacci_nazi, Du bist ein schwul.
[05:36] <djm62> flodine: you can try breezy anytime...but it's on your own head.  enjoy!
[05:36] <rhys-hynaws> oops
[05:36] <flodine> lol
[05:36] <Amaranth> FireCat: The application developer needed to make the dialog center-on-parent.
[05:36] <thully> It seems like it could make it into breezy - would definitely have to be multiverse, though (where they have LAME and Mplayer now)
[05:36] <djm62> WTF do people have about those minor version numbers anyway?  is it a proxy for suitability to mate?
[05:36] <Amaranth> FireCat: Nothing you can do but file a bug unless you want to dig in source and recompile things.
[05:36] <flodine> is anyone running breezy now
[05:36] <Hannes_> flodine: me
[05:36] <Amaranth> flodine: I am.
[05:36] <var> flodine: me
[05:36] <linitrofe> me
[05:36] <flodine> dang
[05:36] <FireCat> Amaranth: Thanks for the suggestions
[05:37] <rhys-hynaws> oops
[05:37] <thully> No - I'm not so much concerned about "latest and greatest", but bug fixes in minor applications
[05:37] <flodine> so yall system dont restart
[05:37] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:37] <elcu> jedipottsy306: NEC CI A727 Ranges: V min: 50  V max: 120 Hz, H min: 30  H max: 70 kHz
[05:37] <hussam> how do I rip a dvd to divx?
[05:37] <thully> netapplet for instance is far less buggier now than the Hoary version is..
[05:37] <Amaranth> flodine: No, but it could. breezy is rough right now.
[05:37] <linitrofe> hussam, there's many aplications, use synaptic to find it
[05:37] <flodine> is it in backports
[05:37] <Stalker`> elcu, can i make synaptic show all the available packages?
[05:37] <snugglebunny> HorizSync 30-70
[05:37] <snugglebunny>  VertRefresh 50-120
[05:38] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, those lines should work for you
[05:38] <snugglebunny> you just need to add them to the monitor section
[05:38] <jedipottsy306> ok thnx
[05:38] <snugglebunny> and thanks to elcu
[05:38] <jedipottsy306> what command to force the xorg.conf
[05:38] <djm62> thully: there's a good chance it will take more effort to keep breezy running smoothly that it will to ignore the odd bug in hoary, IMO
[05:38] <jedipottsy306> or do i just reboot?
[05:38] <elcu> Stalker`: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:38] <snugglebunny> ctr + alt + backspace
[05:38] <snugglebunny> restarts the x server
[05:38] <elcu> Stalker`: do that first so you can get the latest list of available packages.
[05:38] <linitrofe> jedi, control-alt-delete
[05:38] <elcu> Stalker`: i assume you're using hoary
[05:39] <linitrofe> (restart's the X server)
[05:39] <snugglebunny> eh?
[05:39] <djm62> backspace, not delete, I think
[05:39] <jedipottsy306> ok
[05:39] <linitrofe> sorry
[05:39] <snugglebunny> it is backspace
[05:39] <linitrofe> backspace
[05:39] <snugglebunny> del takes you to runlevel 6
[05:39] <linitrofe> ???
[05:39] <snugglebunny> the runlevel of excitement
[05:39] <linitrofe> runlevel 6?
[05:39] <linitrofe> no way
[05:39] <snugglebunny> reboot
[05:39] <linitrofe> hahaha
[05:39] <Amaranth> flodine: I'd say if you don't know what pinning is and/or don't even know how to get breezy you really shouldn't be using it. No offense, but it's just not for end users.
[05:39] <linitrofe> damn it, i didn't know it
[05:40] <linitrofe> i'm a better man now
[05:40] <Amaranth> linitrofe: In a console ctrl-alt-del reboots.
[05:40] <Mestapheles> hi
[05:40] <Stalker`> elcu, yes, 10x
[05:40] <Amaranth> linitrofe: In X it does nothing because X catches it.
[05:40] <linitrofe> ouuu :(
[05:40] <snugglebunny> not in all distros
[05:40] <thully> However, being able to roam wireless access points easily is a fairly basic function (and hard to ignore)...
[05:40] <linitrofe> amarnth: txs
[05:40] <hussam> linitrofe: k3b will rip but it requires transcode which is not available in synaptic
[05:41] <Mestapheles> I just tan fsck for the first time,  fsck report clean on 2nd time I ran it.  I didn't mount anything so can I just pass reboot with umounting anything?
[05:41] <gazzie> totem could not start up: resource busy or not available
[05:41] <gazzie> ^^ help
[05:41] <gazzie> :P
[05:41] <netmonk> i don't seem to be able to run executable files on my warty on ppc. any ideas?
[05:41] <djm62> There should be an unstable click-through agreement: "I acknowledge that this software may destroy my data, my computer, and my life, and take full responsibility" like NON-WARRANTY++
[05:41] <linitrofe> hussam: now, i see other program, that rip's the dvd to divx and keep it oin your HD
[05:41] <Amaranth> netmonk: What executable files?
[05:41] <linitrofe> let me search
[05:41] <jedipottsy306> YAY
[05:41] <jedipottsy306> it worked
[05:41] <Amaranth> netmonk: Are you sure they're for linux? Are you sure they're for ppc?
[05:42] <jedipottsy306> glorious 1156x768 :D
[05:42] <Amaranth> that's what i run
[05:42] <gazzie> if i close xmms, totem doesn't give that error, but it doesn't load either
[05:42] <Amaranth> i used to run higher but i dropped my monitor when i was moving so i'm stuck with an old one
[05:42] <netmonk> Amaranth, for example the new firefox-1.0+
[05:42] <Amaranth> netmonk: What's the error?
[05:43] <jedipottsy306> no just to get my doom 3 to work
[05:43] <netmonk> Amaranth, it just does nothing
[05:43] <hussam> linitrofe: like what? I can't find one without dependency problems
[05:43] <thully> I thought backports were improved for Hoary? The back ports actually have ~5.04 in their name, so you can tell it's a backport.
[05:43] <linitrofe> hussam: try "dvd rip" in synaptic, under description and name
[05:43] <paulproteus> netmonk: Did you just download a random executable from the Web?
[05:43] <ompaulAFK> djm62, and some will click it anyway
[05:43] <Amaranth> linitrofe: dvdrip is a perl-gtk frontend to transcode...
[05:43] <jedipottsy306> ne1 know how to get doom 3on ubuntu?
[05:43] <paulproteus> netmonk: Because most Linux executables on the web are compiled for the Intel series of processors.  (I'm running Ubuntu on my iBook G4.)
[05:44] <djm62> ompaulAFK: if they don't read it...it's conclusively their fault
[05:44] <Amaranth> hmm
[05:44] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, run glxgears first from a terminal and see what frame rate you get. Just to confirm the 3d accel is working
[05:44] <Amaranth> Does Mozilla.org even make ppc linux nightly builds?
[05:44] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:44] <Amaranth> I don't think they do.
[05:44] <joh> hello, when starting X (with startx) the screen blinks and X just exits. There are *no* error messages in Xorg.0.log. startx says "Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. The same thing happens if I try to start gdm.
[05:44] <snugglebunny> I'd hate for you to spend hours getting it working for nothing
[05:44] <netmonk> paulproteus, i guess it's my fault - the name of the file is firefox-1.0+.en-US.linux-i686 - obviosly not for ppc
[05:44] <ThomasWinwood> I'm using the StarterBar desklet, and notice when I load Firefox it for some reason loads the homepage of the University of Minnesota. Why?
[05:45] <FireCat> Amaranth: The problem is that centering only works for an odd number of monitors
[05:45] <jedipottsy306> 1499 frames in 5.0 seconds = 299.800 FPS
[05:45] <elcu> jedipottsy306: a better option would be to do glxinfo and seeing if direct rendering is enabled
[05:45] <jedipottsy306> tht working?
[05:45] <Choubaka> no. :p
[05:45] <Amaranth> FireCat: ?
[05:45] <linitrofe> hussam: still searching
[05:45] <Amaranth> FireCat: Oh, center on screen puts half on one monitor and half on the other?
[05:45] <FireCat> Yes
[05:46] <jedipottsy306> says direct rendering is not working
[05:46] <Amaranth> FireCat: Let's see those bug reports then. :)
[05:46] <snugglebunny> elcu, I've never been convinced about glxinfo being a handy tool for a quick check. It dumps out a lot of text to wade through. glxgears just shows it instantly
[05:46] <Amaranth> FireCat: For every application that has a dialog that does that file a bug report.
[05:46] <paulproteus> netmonk: Ah, okay.
[05:46] <elcu> snugglebunny: to each his own, i guess
[05:46] <elcu> :)
[05:46] <snugglebunny> elcu, I tend to use lazy ways
[05:46] <jedipottsy306> ok, so i get 299fps but direct rendering is "off"
[05:46] <elcu> jedipottsy306: did you do this: echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:46] <jedipottsy306> direct rendering: No
[05:47] <paulproteus> netmonk: Ubuntu provides newer versions of Firefox for Hoary; I suggest you use them.
[05:47] <elcu> and Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx"
[05:47] <elcu> reference: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:47] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, if you have an ATI card I can't help. I use Nvidia and I can only hold one card in my mind at a time.
[05:47] <hussam> linitrofe: there's drip. I'll try that
[05:47] <linitrofe> hussam: i'm installing it
[05:47] <cusco> hi... I installed apache web server... now what is it that I need to install to execute php files
[05:48] <cusco> please?
[05:48] <jedipottsy306> it comes back with "fglrx"
[05:48] <elcu> jedipottsy306: did you do that step before?
[05:48] <elcu> iirc, it loads the kernel module for fglrx
[05:48] <andi_> does anyone know how i can bring nautilus to always start with --browser option?
[05:48] <jedipottsy306> i just followed the guide on ubuntu forums
[05:48] <netmonk> paulproteus, i just tried this new version on my toshiba and it's visbly faster in many ways
[05:48] <elcu> jedipottsy306: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx if you haven't yet
[05:48] <jedipottsy306> yeah i did that
[05:49] <jedipottsy306> and added 2 more lines underneath
[05:49] <paulproteus> netmonk: Which new version of what?  Of Ubuntu?  Or of Firefox?
[05:49] <paulproteus> cusco: Apache or Apache2?
[05:49] <elcu> jedipottsy306: OK, try rebooting now you've loaded the fglrx module.
[05:49] <jedipottsy306> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[05:49] <jedipottsy306> ctrl+alt+backspace do?
[05:49] <dash> heh, why does the topic say please don't use breezy yet? =)
[05:50] <paulproteus> cusco: Hint: Search for php4 using Synaptic and get everything related to your version of Apache.
[05:50] <elcu> jedipottsy306: not sure.
[05:50] <netmonk> paulproteus, firefox-1.0+
[05:50] <jedipottsy306> ill do crtl+alt+backspace
[05:51] <ompaul> paulproteus, so is that the BMW or harley davidson answer?
[05:51] <paulproteus> ompaul: Huh?
[05:51] <netmonk> paulproteus, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
[05:51] <cusco> paulproteus: I installed apache and then apache2
[05:51] <dash> anyhow. does anyone know where i'd put stuff to get hald or gnome-volume-manager to run a program when I insert a particular USB key?
[05:51] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:51] <ThomasWinwood> I'm using the StarterBar desklet, and notice when I load Firefox it for some reason loads the homepage of the University of Minnesota. I don't have that set as my homepage, and there's nothing in the launcher to indicate loading that page. Why is it loading it?
[05:52] <paulproteus> netmonk: Cool.
[05:52] <ompaul> paulproteus, the proteus is not from Zen and the art of Motor Cycle matainence?
[05:52] <cusco> paulproteus: then I installed: libapache2-mod-php4
[05:52] <dash> heh
[05:52] <paulproteus> ompaul: No, it's from Kurt Vonnegut's _Player Piano_.
[05:52] <ompaul> ahh
[05:53] <paulproteus> cusco: Okay, great.  Make sure you remove Apache; don't try keeping both Apache and Apache2 installed, it'll just get weird fast.
[05:53] <cusco> oh
[05:53] <djm62> dash: is it an option to have the program on the USB key and select auto-run on System->Preferences->Removable Media ?
[05:53] <elcu> ThomasWinwood: what's the command in the launcher?
[05:53] <ThomasWinwood> elcu: firefox %u
[05:53] <gazzie> does anyone here use VLC for DVD playback?
[05:54] <djm62> dash: this program could be a small script to run a large program, for instance
[05:54] <dash> djm62: yeah, maybe, but I only want it to happen for one particular USB key, not just any random one that gets stuck in :)
[05:54] <elcu> try removing the %u maybe?
[05:54] <dash> djm62: so I want to have a program that will examine the contents or serial number or whatever and do some stuff
[05:54] <ThomasWinwood> That worked, but the same command on the panel loads regular Firefox.
[05:54] <ThomasWinwood> Weird.
[05:55] <djm62> dash: tricksier...are you worried about random USB keys being inserted?
[05:55] <dash> djm62: I imagine there's a way to hook into those kinds of notification, i just don't know where :)
[05:55] <dash> djm62: somewhat
[05:55] <ivoks> it has
[05:56] <djm62> I never cease to be amazed at the demands people put on software... :-/
[05:56] <jedipottsy306> ok i get 380fps now
[05:56] <dash> djm62: why? software exists to do what we want
[05:56] <elcu> jedipottsy306: does glxinfo say you have dr enabled?
[05:56] <dash> djm62: when it doesn't do what we want, we write more :)
[05:57] <djm62> dash: no criticism intended...I just keep getting things that I'd never think of
[05:57] <brdweb> dash: heh
[05:57] <jedipottsy306> direct rendering: No
[05:57] <jedipottsy306> :@
[05:57] <elcu> jedipottsy306: reboot
[05:57] <dash> djm62: well, here's why i want to do that
[05:57] <jedipottsy306> yeah i rebooted
[05:57] <jedipottsy306> i didnt crtl+alt+backspace
[05:57] <cusco> paulproteus: I removed apache2 running apache only. I removed libapache2-mod-php4 and installed libapache-mod-php4
[05:57] <dash> djm62: I want to put my GPG private key and ssh keys on USB flash drive
[05:57] <elcu> jedipottsy306: join #flood and i'll take a look at your xorg file
[05:58] <cusco> I restarted apache
[05:58] <djm62> very sensible
[05:58] <Mestapheles> does anyone know how to run fsck?
[05:58] <cusco> now.. whats missing?
[05:58] <dash> djm62: well. on an encrypted loopback fs on a USB flash drive :)
[05:58] <djm62> and you want to ssh-agent and similar when you insert it
[05:58] <bzbb> when I try to use wine, I get /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libwine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:58] <dash> djm62: yeah, and mounting the loopback fs, etc
[06:00] <bzbb> anyone have any ideas?
[06:00] <djm62> first iteration, put the script on the key and auto-run? (don't you need root privs to mount loopback?)
[06:01] <{DT}> okay, when I run aplay it doesn't seem to do anything either
[06:02] <dash> djm62: meh
[06:02] <dash> djm62: i'd just as soon do it by hand as do that
[06:02] <jedipottsy306> should i remove the flgrx drivers?
[06:02] <dash> djm62: anyway it looks like i can put something in /etc/hotplug.d/
[06:03] <elcu> jedipottsy306: what does fglrxinfo output/
[06:03] <Gabriel> I get segfault when trying to run xsane with hoary PPC
[06:03] <jedipottsy306> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:03] <jedipottsy306> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:03] <jedipottsy306> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:03] <jedipottsy306> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[06:04] <elcu> ah-hah.  you're still using the default mesa ones.  i don't think you installed the drivers properly or something.
[06:04] <Kazuhiro> any know how to make skippy run when the pc is booted? I add it some where in init.d dont i?
[06:04] <djm62> dash: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2002-December/005679.html
[06:04] <elcu> jedipottsy306: yes, uninstall the one. personally, i'd follow this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:05] <elcu> *uninstall the old one
[06:05] <jedipottsy306> ok
[06:05] <elcu> jedipottsy306: back up xorg.conf for future reference.
[06:05] <elcu> jedipottsy306: at least you've got a working system.
[06:05] <dash> djm62: Hmm, pam_ssh. Interesting.
[06:05] <flodine> why do backports seem to have newer packages and they tell you not to use backports
[06:06] <jedipottsy306> also does ne1 know how i can copy files from my other computer? (its windows) - when i go to shared documents and copy - says i dont have acces - but i can view them
[06:06] <Desolate> hello
[06:06] <dash> flodine: because if you use backports, you won't be able to easily upgrade to the next release
[06:06] <elcu> jedipottsy306: windows (ntfs) is read-only.
[06:06] <Desolate> I'm having some problems configuring my new ubuntu system for wireless networking
[06:06] <elcu> jedipottsy306: are you trying to copy from windows, or to windows?
[06:06] <dash> they're basically for people who have no plans to change versions
[06:06] <jedipottsy306> o
[06:06] <gazzie> how can i change it so when i double click an mp3 file it will open it in XMMS instead of totem?
[06:06] <jedipottsy306> from windows to ubuntu
[06:06] <djm62> gazzie: properties
[06:07] <elcu> jedipottsy306: and you have it mounted properly?
[06:07] <gazzie> of?
[06:07] <djm62> gazzie: right-click to change the properties
[06:07] <gazzie> :)
[06:07] <jedipottsy306> yeah
[06:07] <gazzie> any mp3?
[06:07] <dabaSlon> yes on any
[06:07] <gazzie> thanks
[06:07] <dabaSlon> yup
[06:08] <jedipottsy306> the files r on my laptop (acer)
[06:08] <gazzie> when i try to do the same for VLC with movie files it won't add vlc to the app database
[06:08] <gazzie> :|
[06:08] <dabaSlon> which is windows?
[06:09] <larsrohdin> is it possible to change the fileformat of a disk from ext3 to fat32 without loosing the data on the disc?
[06:09] <dabaSlon> so, in open with, theere is no VLC?
[06:09] <elcu> jedipottsy306: ah, sorry, i didn't read your post, thought you were talking about a dual boot system
[06:09] <gazzie> yeah dabaslon
[06:09] <dabaSlon> Desolate: start with this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards /
[06:09] <gazzie> that's right
[06:09] <gazzie> i also have no VLC Icon
[06:09] <gazzie> i think something went funny with it
[06:09] <gazzie> :P
[06:09] <dabaSlon> well, then go open with, and choose VLC...
[06:10] <dabaSlon> open with other application
[06:10] <dabaSlon> that will add the VLC to the list ofr files used with opening that type of file, and once you do that, it will add itself to the open with list.
[06:10] <jedipottsy306> brb rebooting
[06:11] <gazzie> dabaslon when i do that
[06:11] <gazzie> and choose VLC
[06:11] <gazzie> it says "COuld not add application to the application database"
[06:11] <dabaSlon> hah
[06:11] <dabaSlon> tahts weird
[06:11] <larsrohdin> is it possible to change the fileformat of a disk from ext3 to fat32 without loosing the data on the disc?
[06:11] <dabaSlon> never seen that,,,
[06:11] <gazzie> i'm going to reinstall it from synaptic
[06:11] <gazzie> maybe that will fix
[06:11] <Desolate> thanks dabaSlon, I'll take a look
[06:11] <gazzie> let's hope so anyway
[06:11] <gazzie> :P
[06:12] <snugglebunny> larsrohdin, not that I know of. And not that I can think of.
[06:12] <resiak> larsrohdin: No, but why would you want to? :)
[06:12] <resiak> larsrohdin: Well, there is, actually. Backup, mkfs.vfat, restore. But I don't think that was what you were after.
[06:12] <dabaSlon> gazzie: not really, but you can try.
[06:12] <jedipottsy306> HOLY CRAP!!!
[06:12] <dabaSlon> hah
[06:13] <Nalioth> larsrohdin, the next best thing would be to copy the entire contents of your ext3 device onto a fat32 formatted device
[06:13] <jedipottsy306> i did glxinfo - and direct rendering IS working :D
[06:13] <jedipottsy306> and then i did glxgears
[06:13] <jedipottsy306> 36885 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7377.000 FPS
[06:13] <jedipottsy306> 40678 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8135.600 FPS
[06:13] <elcu> jedipottsy306: :) what did you change?
[06:13] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, nice card. With my oh so cool MX440 I get a massive 800fps
[06:13] <dabaSlon> hehe
[06:13] <jedipottsy306> i just removed the old drivers via synaptic
[06:14] <jedipottsy306> and followed that guide, and ctrl+atl+backspace
[06:14] <snugglebunny> then again frozen bubble doesn't really require much in the way of gfx
[06:14] <elcu> jedipottsy306: goodo
[06:14] <jedipottsy306> i got a  9800pro
[06:14] <jedipottsy306> but i nvr got 8000 frames b4
[06:14] <Nalioth> snugglebunny, don't feel bad. my iBook with rage pro gets 50fps
[06:14] <djm62> I forgot frozen-bubble
[06:15] <jedipottsy306> i used to have 16mb tnt2 riva 63 card :o - and the manufactureres didnt have a name
[06:15] <elcu> jedipottsy306: hehe, doesn't work exactly like the 60- 100 scale
[06:15] <jedipottsy306> 64*
[06:15] <dabaSlon> 1236 frames in 5.0 seconds = 247.200 FPS
[06:15] <dabaSlon> thats mine, not that I could care less at what the wheels spin...
[06:15] <jedipottsy306> then i had a s3 savage :o
[06:16] <jedipottsy306> yay i also have normal firefox icons now :d
[06:16] <snugglebunny> well as soon as emacs supports 3d acceleration you're all set
[06:16] <jedipottsy306> rather than the nasty blue ones
[06:16] <dabaSlon> 113 frames in 5.0 seconds = 22.600 FPS fullscreen
[06:16] <snugglebunny> rock on...
[06:16] <jedipottsy306> neway, how do i change my system icons? i have downloaded it, but what do i do now?
[06:18] <{DT}> okay
[06:18] <{DT}> thanks everyone
[06:18] <jedipottsy306> can u use itunes with linux?
[06:18] <dabaSlon> can you apt-get remove glxgears? ITs probably a small program anyhow...
[06:18] <dabaSlon> there is some pirate program to replace iTunes...
[06:18] <dabaSlon> there was some discussion on /....
[06:19] <gh0strida> hey guys .. how do u remove an item from the PATH in the bash shell?? i'm getting a no such file or directory message cause i deleted one of the directories i was pathing to
[06:19] <djm62> jedipottsy306: PyMusique
[06:19] <jedipottsy306> cos i wanna use my ipod
[06:19] <dabaSlon> you mean how would you add it back?
[06:19] <jfk303> jedipottsy306, gtkpod
[06:19] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: firsdt connect the device...
[06:19] <dabaSlon> then see what that does...go from there
[06:19] <djm62> jfk303: or rhythmbox, I think
[06:19] <dabaSlon> usually automatic detection, and opens a program for you.
[06:20] <gh0strida> like a reverse of the export command
[06:20] <jfk303> jedipottsy306, have you used your ipod with itunes yet?
[06:20] <dabaSlon> ok, so you want to remove something from y our path?
[06:20] <jedipottsy306> yeah
[06:20] <gh0strida> dabaSlon: exactly
[06:20] <dabaSlon> I know how to do it, maybe not elegant, though.
[06:20] <dabaSlon> yo, ivoks.
[06:20] <elcu> snugglebunny: my last card was an mx440
[06:20] <dabaSlon> anyhow...
[06:20] <ivoks> hi
[06:21] <elcu> i feel your pain
[06:21] <dabaSlon> gh0strida: I would, echo $PATH in a term...
[06:21] <dabaSlon> Then, I would export the path without that part I dont want.
[06:21] <jfk303> jedipottsy306, I think you ust use it with itunes before gtkpod will work
[06:21] <djm62> jfk303: if it's being added in in .profile, just remove that line, or export PATH=whatever:you:want:to:use at the end of .profile or .bashrc or whatever
[06:21] <dabaSlon> export $PATH='path'
[06:21] <jedipottsy306> will gtkpod play music like itunes?
[06:22] <jfk303> dj62, me?
[06:22] <dabaSlon> gh0strida likely...
[06:22] <zachary> hello, i could use some help with rhythmbox
[06:22] <gh0strida> dabaSlon: okay i see .. i did remove it from .profile but it is still there .. i'll try that
[06:22] <djm62> jfk303: not you sorry...why gtkpod over rhythmbox?
[06:22] <dabaSlon> well, this what I said, would have to work, it is very manual though...
[06:23] <dabaSlon> you can after add the same export command to the bash.bashrc...
[06:23] <dabaSlon> which would be equal likely...
[06:23] <jfk303> jedipottsy306, what do you mean? on your computer?  you have to link it to an external media player..
[06:23] <elcu> zachary: just go ahead and ask your question
[06:23] <dabaSlon> I still can not see why adding a directory to path would cause problems, though, unless incorrect, thus screwing the rest of the path.
[06:23] <jedipottsy306> jfk303, normally i use itunes on my windows pc to play music, and transfer files to my ipod
[06:24] <jedipottsy306> jfk303, is there a program like that for linux?
[06:24] <dabaSlon> dude, plug it in..........
[06:24] <dabaSlon> youll see everything,
[06:24] <Nalioth> jedipottsy306, gtkpod
[06:24] <jfk303> djm62, no reason, I'm interested because I havent got my ipod working with gtkpod
[06:24] <jedipottsy306> k
[06:24] <jedipottsy306> thnx
[06:24] <jedipottsy306> brb
[06:24] <LinuxJones> jedipottsy306, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IPodHowto
[06:25] <zachary> elcu: i have just started using ubuntu/linux, i like the looks of it but, i can't play mp3s, when i try and import an album i get a pop-up that says: there is no plug-in to handle an mp3 file
[06:25] <djm62> My bro has an ipod shuffle, which has worked fine with rhythmbox for playing, but gtkpod wasn't quite right on something
[06:25] <Mestapheles> can someone tell me if there is some special magic to comming our of single user mode after running fsck?
[06:25] <dabaSlon> LinuxJones: wow, nice.
[06:25] <gh0strida> dabaSlon: all set thanx
[06:25] <LinuxJones> ;)
[06:25] <jfk303> djm62, but I also havent used it with itunes yet, and I think that creates some important stuff like a database linking to all you media files on the ipod
[06:25] <djm62> telinit 3 (IIRC)
[06:25] <dabaSlon> welcome
[06:25] <djm62> jfk303: I think there's some perl magic you can do for that
[06:25] <dabaSlon> that is likely not what someone who knows Linux better would have done, but it is a way to do it.
[06:26] <dabaSlon> zachary: you will need some codecs installed.
[06:26] <dabaSlon> What should he go for?
[06:26] <dabaSlon> restricted formats>?
[06:26] <djm62> restrictedformats!
[06:26] <Quest-Master> My AbiWord is frozen.. does anyone know if I killall it right now, the document would be emergency saved or something?
[06:26] <jfk303> djm62, I'll try rhythmbox
[06:26] <zachary> okay how do i do that?
[06:26] <djm62> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:26] <zachary> through the terminal?
[06:27] <dabaSlon> right, read through that, its not  too long.
[06:27] <jfk303> djm62, tell me more of the magic...
[06:27] <zachary> i've looked at that blasted restrictedFormats for three long hours and all i see is greek
[06:27] <dabaSlon> Quest-Master: I dont...
[06:27] <djm62> jfk303: you might need gstreamer0.8-faad installed as well
[06:27] <_4strO> ohaio
[06:28] <GNAM> how can I enable sshd logging?
[06:28] <factorx> can you propse any mp3-player except for rhythmbox, amarok or xmms?
[06:28] <djm62> zachary: you're new on linux? I feel your pain ;)
[06:28] <jfk303> djm62, think I have that already, not sure about the -faad tho
[06:28] <dabaSlon> factorx: you mean suggest?
[06:28] <elcu> zachary: you should've come here earlier then. ;-)  (1) http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and then (2) "To play MP3s with Rhythmbox or amaroK, you must install the gstreamer0.8-mad package"
[06:29] <factorx> yes, suggest
[06:29] <factorx> ;)
[06:29] <elcu> factorx: beep-media-player!!!
[06:29] <Quest-Master> shit. There goes my report.
[06:29] <dabaSlon> jsut go sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-*
[06:29] <dabaSlon> wow, shoulda saved...
[06:30] <dabaSlon> factorx: muine is gonna be included with breezy.
[06:30] <jedipottsy306> how do i add mp3 support? install xmms?
[06:30] <elcu> zachary: alternatively, just install beep-media-player
[06:30] <desrt> jedipottsy306; install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:30] <elcu> jedipottsy306: or beep-media-player
[06:30] <djm62> jfk303: the different suffixes represent decoding and encoding back ends for the gstreamer multimedia framework
[06:30] <factorx> isnt beep media player the same as xmms?
[06:30] <desrt> jedipottsy306; but add universe/multiverse first (if you haven't already)
[06:30] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[06:31] <zachary> elcu: if i install beep-media-player do i have to do all this hard stuff ?
[06:31] <elcu> factorx: IMHO, a kick-ass version of it
[06:31] <dabaSlon> Thats what I did.
[06:31] <MuStR> amarok is a really good player....
[06:31] <elcu> zachary: IIRC, bmp will install some codecs
[06:31] <MuStR> it's just supposed to be for KDE only though
[06:31] <jfk303> jedipottsy306, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:31] <neofeed> any way I can get wma's to mp3s?
[06:31] <zachary> elcu: i spent along time trying to install mplayer and compile it and install stuff it was quite confusing.
[06:32] <factorx> amarok is really good but I don't want to install half kde for it :/
[06:32] <desrt> neofeed; you can use gstreamer-launch to do it
[06:32] <zachary> okay how do i install bmp
[06:32] <djm62> MuStR: there are very few applications which will only work on one desktop environment
[06:32] <elcu> Note : you must choose the eSound output plugin in the options in xmms or bmp
[06:32] <MuStR> heh
[06:32] <MuStR> I did because it's so good
[06:32] <MuStR> djm62: amarok works on gnome :] 
[06:32] <elcu> zachary: try "sudo apt-get install beep-media-player"
[06:32] <desrt> this is infuriating
[06:32] <factorx> somebody should port foobar2000 for linux
[06:32] <desrt> y'all need to suck it up in use muine :)
[06:32] <factorx> :D
[06:32] <desrt> ya
[06:33] <kynes> someone know a bugfix about this...
[06:33] <desrt> foobar2000 is the only thing on earth that comes close to being as good as muine
[06:33] <MuStR> oh that would be sick
[06:33] <djm62> KDE libs are just a likkle extra disk space, and I don't have enough CDs to use it all with oggs
[06:33] <kynes> unregister_netdevice: waiting for eth2 to become free. usage count=1
[06:33] <kynes> and it never increments
[06:33] <kynes> and it can't be stopped
[06:33] <jfk303> djm62, The following packages have unmet dependencies: gstreamer0.8-faad: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installedE: Broken packages,
[06:33] <Mestapheles> does anyone know if it is necessary to avoid writing cache after fscking?
[06:34] <neofeed> desrt, gstreamer-launch? dun have that.
[06:34] <factorx> what special features do you admire of muine, desrt?
[06:34] <jfk303> how do I change the version of libc6
[06:34] <zachary> elcu: this is the output: Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:34] <zachary> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:34] <zachary> E: Couldn't find package beep-media-player
[06:34] <dabaSlon> zachary: it is best to install the gstreamer libs..and then also w32codecs, it is not too hard at all.
[06:35] <elcu> zachary: then you need to update your sources list: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/
[06:35] <dabaSlon> Then, all that support will be present no matter what program you run.
[06:35] <jedipottsy306> my cd drive dont work
[06:35] <djm62> jfk303: what version are you running?
[06:35] <jedipottsy306> mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
[06:35] <zachary> okay well how do i do all of the above said
[06:35] <dabaSlon> hah, that is your hard drive
[06:35] <dabaSlon> not your cdrom
[06:35] <desrt> neofeed; it's probably called gstreamer0.8-launch
[06:35] <jfk303> djm62, hoary
[06:36] <dabaSlon> zachary: as for MPlayer, you dont really need it, I find, but, I have instructions on how to install it.
[06:36] <djm62> jfk303: you almost certainly don't want to be changing libc6
[06:36] <dabaSlon> zachary: there is a file on your comptuer at /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:36] <jfk303> djm62, ok
[06:36] <neofeed> desrt, nup dun have it.
[06:36] <djm62> jfk303: do you have any unusual repositories or backports on there?
[06:36] <dabaSlon> zachary: This file has all the URLs from which it apt-get installs.
[06:36] <zachary> i don't want mplayer i want to use rhthymbox because i have gotten fustrauated with mplayer a little too much
[06:37] <desrt> ok.  gst-launch-0.8.  sorry :)
[06:37] <elcu> zachary: "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad"
[06:37] <jfk303> djm62, I've added a few repositories, but nothing really unusual
[06:37] <elcu> that will give you mp3 support in ryhtmbox
[06:37] <dabaSlon> zachary: change this file, so that you can have all the URLs from which to download various programs.
[06:37] <Desolate> how can I move files to a folder that's owned by root?
[06:37] <anathema> is there a good mp3 player for linux? like a lot better than xmms ?
[06:37] <dabaSlon> elcu: why only mad,.,
[06:37] <NeonLightning> how do i go about finding out the local ip's for my lan
[06:37] <anathema> Desolate, use sudo
[06:37] <jedipottsy306> ne1 know why i cant mount cd?
[06:37] <anathema> sudo mv <file> <dest>
[06:37] <jedipottsy306> it says mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
[06:38] <NeonLightning> anathema, try mplayer
[06:38] <elcu> zachary: if it's not found, you need to update your sources list using the link  gave you.
[06:38] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: told you thats your hard drive
[06:38] <elcu> dabaSlon: er, cos http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats says so.
[06:38] <dabaSlon> elcu: then next time he uses a different format, then he will be here again,
[06:38] <jedipottsy306> its not
[06:38] <jedipottsy306> i type this
[06:38] <djm62> anathema: madplay, if you like command line, BMP if you want a better xmms, rhythmbox if you want a music player, amarok if you want that with kde, mplayer if you want video to be covered as well
[06:38] <jedipottsy306> sudo mount /cdrom/
[06:38] <dabaSlon> Just install gstreamer0.8-*
[06:38] <jedipottsy306> and i get this
[06:38] <jedipottsy306> mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist
[06:38] <dabaSlon> wrong command.
[06:39] <anathema> does mplayer have a playlist capability?
[06:39] <dabaSlon> mount /dev/cdrom0 /media/cdrom
[06:39] <dabaSlon> or something
[06:39] <NeonLightning> so can someone help me find the local ips for my network
[06:39] <dabaSlon> mount source destination
[06:39] <djm62> anathema: no idea...I prefer rhythmbox
[06:39] <elcu> dabaSlon: ah, thanks for the catch
[06:39] <anathema> is rhythmbox fast when seeking with the mouse
[06:39] <NeonLightning> i know 192.168.1.1-ect but i can't find the one i need
[06:39] <anathema> like clicking diff spots in a mp3
[06:39] <jedipottsy306> mount: special device /dev/cdrom0 does not exist
[06:39] <anathema> xmms is so bloody slow for that
[06:39] <desrt> neofeed; the command is as follows: (just figured it out)
[06:39] <djm62> anathema: fast enough, I find
[06:39] <jedipottsy306> i put the disc in, like normal - doesnt auto mount, if i stick in the dvd drive it mounts
[06:40] <desrt> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=source.wma ! spider ! lameenc ! filesink location=dest.mp3
[06:40] <necorium> hi anathema thanks for the email :)
[06:40] <anathema> hi
[06:40] <Desolate> thanks anathema
[06:40] <desrt> neofeed; generally speaking, that's a commandline that will convert anything that you can play into an mp3
[06:40] <anathema> can talk in the PM necorium
[06:40] <dabaSlon> zachary: once you change your sources.list file properly, you haev to sudo apt-get update in a terminal, so the new sources are loaded...
[06:40] <dabaSlon> then you can apt-get install anything dfrom there.
[06:40] <djm62> anathema: I just tested it on a one-hour podcast...instantaneous on my 256M P3 system
[06:41] <desrt> neofeed; you should really consider using ogg/vorbis though.  smaller files and better sound quality.
[06:41] <anathema> really eh
[06:41] <NeonLightning> dabaSlon, don't forget to mention synaptic
[06:41] <anathema> rhythmbox
[06:41] <anathema> ill apt it up
[06:41] <desrt> s/lameenc/lame/
[06:41] <jfk303> djm62, So is there anyway that I can get an ipod to work without using itunes at all?
[06:41] <dabaSlon> zachary: yeah, your System, Administration menu has a program ccalled synaptic, which is a tool for searching your sources, and installing, and removing programs..
[06:42] <zachary> dabslon
[06:42] <dabaSlon> zachary: very usefl
[06:42] <dabaSlon> zachary: whats up?
[06:42] <zachary> this is the stuff thats in the sources list: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Alpha i386 Binary-1 (20050129)] / unstable main restricted
[06:42] <djm62> jfk303: there's a perl set of stuff called gnupod...I think that can generate the database for you
[06:42] <dabaSlon> dont paste hrer pls.
[06:42] <zachary> nothing like the deb and src
[06:42] <dabaSlon> ok, make it what I send you in private
[06:42] <zachary> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:42] <zachary> deb-src ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[06:43] <jfk303> djm62, ok I'll have a read... if I get it done I'll let you know how it went
[06:43] <zachary> should i just put in the sources.list what i just put in here?
[06:43] <Dave9191> anyone heard of kuake ?
[06:43] <dabaSlon> you could
[06:43] <anathema> djm62, how does this work...cant even figure out how to play a song
[06:44] <djm62> jfk303: my bro uses windows, so I haven't had a proper play, just snarfed some tracks...I think the DB has been thoroughly reverse-engineered though
[06:44] <jedipottsy306> can someone help with getting this disc to mount
[06:44] <anathema> i just wanna put a song on a playlist
[06:44] <anathema> ahha
[06:44] <anathema> drag/drop doenst even work :(
[06:44] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: go ls /dev
[06:44] <djm62> anathema: it works by building a "library" of all your music...you might not like to work that way, I found I liked it when I got the hang of it
[06:45] <jfk303> djm62,  yeah I read something along those lines, might just find a windows box to use with itunes....
[06:45] <DaBlade> hello
[06:45] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: paste it to #flood, or somewhere. Even here if you want to...
[06:45] <DaBlade> I keep having an annoying make problem
[06:45] <dabaSlon> yo, DaBlade
[06:46] <DaBlade>  * configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:46] <DaBlade>  * See `config.log' for more details.
[06:46] <DaBlade> ***** Return value 1
[06:46] <Dave9191> Random Fortune: If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. 	-- Linus Torvalds
[06:46] <elcu> dabaSlon: install build-essential
[06:46] <djm62> anathema: oddly enough, realplayer10 makes a decent basic media player
[06:46] <elcu> if you haven't yet
[06:47] <djm62> DaBlade: what are you installing?
[06:47] <dabaSlon> DaBlade: do what he told me to do...
[06:47] <dabaSlon> :)
[06:47] <DaBlade> who?
[06:47] <elcu> heh. whoops
[06:47] <dabaSlon> elcu: dabaSlon: install build-essential
[06:47] <DaBlade> ok
[06:47] <dabaSlon> zachary: are you using Hoary?
[06:47] <anathema> hmmm
[06:47] <anathema> ill try it
[06:47] <anathema> not liking this rhythmbox
[06:48] <djm62> "sudo apt-get build-dep PACKAGENAME"
[06:48] <djm62> anathema: you have complete freedom of choice...you don't listen to music like I do, and nor should you have to
[06:48] <DaBlade> damn..another error:
[06:48] <DaBlade> checking for lt_dlopen in -lltdl... no
[06:48] <DaBlade>  * configure: error:
[06:48] <DaBlade>  * *** Couldn't find ltdl library.  If it is installed in a non-standard
[06:48] <DaBlade>  * *** location, please supply --with-ltdl=DIR on the configure command line,
[06:48] <DaBlade>  * *** where `DIR' is the prefix where ltdl is installed (such as /usr,
[06:48] <DaBlade>  * *** /usr/local, or /usr/pkg).  If that doesn't work, check config.log.
[06:49] <DaBlade>  *
[06:49] <DaBlade> ***** Return value 1
[06:49] <anathema> i understand djm62 and apreciate the suggestions..just trying to find something a bit more polished than xmms
[06:49] <jedipottsy306> ok i posted ls /dev in flood
[06:49] <djm62> DaBlade: no need for the extensive pasting...what package are you trying to build?
[06:49] <elcu> DaBlade: please don't paste large stuff here.
[06:49] <DaBlade> apollon right now
[06:49] <DaBlade> ok sorry
[06:49] <dabaSlon> DaBlade: you need a c compiler in your path
[06:49] <DaBlade> but that's not the problem ^^^^
[06:49] <djm62> DaBlade: it could be the solution
[06:49] <dabaSlon> thats what it had tld you the first time
[06:50] <kev0r__> bew
[06:50] <DaBlade> I have installed build-essential alrady
[06:50] <elcu> I'm betting you don't have that ltdl library installed
[06:50] <dabaSlon>  * configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:50] <ulisse> Hello channel!
[06:50] <dabaSlon>  See `config.log' for more details.
[06:50] <kev0r__> is there a command like |grep that removes lines from an output instead of shows 'm like |grep
[06:50] <Nalioth> anathema, have you seen "beep media player"?
[06:50] <dabaSlon> yo ulisse
[06:50] <^thehatsrule^> hello ulisse!
[06:50] <djm62> DaBlade: apollon seems to be in universe or multiverse already
[06:50] <dabaSlon> did you look at the config.log?
[06:50] <DaBlade> not the latest version
[06:50] <ulisse> does anybody got to work the Composite thing on hoary?
[06:51] <djm62> DaBlade: how about "sudo apt-get build-dep apollon", which will install the stuff needed to compile apollon?
[06:51] <DaBlade> I can try
[06:51] <anathema> Nalioth, no i should look for it
[06:51] <anathema> its on apt?
[06:51] <elcu> Nalioth: bmp suffers from the same slow, skip to problem he wants to get rid of.  it's much more polished than xmms though.
[06:51] <Nalioth> anathema, i dont think its in the repos
[06:51] <djm62> DaBlade: that will almost certainly enable you to compile the current version
[06:51] <ThomasWinwood> kev0r: grep -v
[06:51] <elcu> anathema: it is
[06:52] <DaBlade> ok thanks
[06:52] <elcu> beep-media-player
[06:52] <Tatster> Hi, Newbie question here - I currently use WinXP but would like to move to Linux, I found Ubuntu and am interested. Is there a good way to run my Windows legacy apps?
[06:52] <ThomasWinwood> Tatster: WINE?
[06:52] <Nalioth> anathema, what is up with rhythmbox?
[06:52] <anathema> ahh just...dont like the interface, the size
[06:52] <Tatster> Does WIne support all apps or just some?
[06:52] <Nalioth> Tatster, for everything you want to do (beside some games) there is an equivelant linux app
[06:52] <anathema> size on the screen anyways
[06:52] <elcu> Tatster: no guarantees, mdual-booting might be a good option.
[06:52] <ThomasWinwood> Variable.
[06:52] <jeroen_> tatster, some
[06:52] <djm62> Tatster: the best way is to get one of the supported crossover office things...wine is unsupported and can be a bit hit-or-miss
[06:52] <elcu> *dual-booting
[06:52] <DaBlade> checking for lt_dlopen in -lltdl... no
[06:52] <DaBlade>  * configure: error:
[06:53] <DaBlade> the same error again
[06:53] <djm62> Tatster: nothing supports all apps, including windows ;)
[06:53] <Nalioth> Tatster, dual-booting is a good option until you learn which linux apps correspond to your legacy-bombs
[06:53] <jeroen_> Nalitoh is right
[06:53] <elcu> heh, *free* linux apps
[06:53] <Jimbob> DaBlade: "sudo apt-get install libltdl3-dev"
[06:53] <jeroen_> Nalioth is right
[06:53] <DaBlade> ok
[06:53] <elcu> Tatster: what apps are we talking about here?
[06:54] <anathema> fuc
[06:54] <anathema> beep skips instant
[06:54] <anathema> this is sweet guys
[06:54] <DaBlade> Jimbob..are you from netaddition?
[06:54] <elcu> anathema: really? not for me :(
[06:54] <Tatster> djm62, fair comment!!  At the moment at work we have some Packet capture/Analysis software, Observer & SNMPC network monitoring - I'd like to run those
[06:54] <djm62> vive la difference ;)
[06:54] <Jimbob> DaBlade: nope, never heard of it
[06:54] <anathema> YEs
[06:54] <Nalioth> anathema, beep is sweet?
[06:54] <anathema> it has jump to track like winamp
[06:54] <anathema> yeah im liking beep sofar
[06:54] <anathema> its like xmms, but programmed well :)
[06:55] <elcu> anathema: and shinier, no?
[06:55] <djm62> Tatster: that sounds like low-level stuff that wouldn't take well to emulation...
[06:55] <DaBlade> It's some webmasters forum...I've posted like one post there in 6 months lol
[06:55] <anathema> haah yes shineier
[06:55] <elcu> :)
[06:55] <anathema> can you get skins for it?
[06:55] <Nalioth> tatster, ethereal and ntop and nmap are great network inquisitors, and there are several apps to make sense of it all (data capture)
[06:55] <StarScream> why the fsck does ubuntu install exim when i do apt-get install mysql
[06:55] <anathema> or does it just use winamp skins ?
[06:55] <StarScream> mysql-server sorry
[06:55] <anathema> ethreal is an amazingly good network
[06:55] <djm62> Tatster: I'd suggest VMware or similar, but you probably need a real network interface
[06:55] <anathema> traffic analyzer
[06:55] <Jimbob> DaBlade: Yeah, I googled it just now and came up with this massively long (and quite frankly, ugly) flash evilness
[06:55] <Nalioth> anathema, yes beepmp.sourceforge.net
[06:55] <StarScream> i see no need for a freaking smtp server when i want a db server
[06:55] <DaBlade> I know
[06:55] <DaBlade> lol
[06:56] <dabaSlon> zachary: now that you have the sources added.
[06:56] <DaBlade> I was invited there through email...lol
[06:56] <djm62> Tatster: otherwise dual-boot until you learn the (excellent) linux networking tools
[06:56] <DaBlade> I found it boring, and never posted again
[06:56] <Tatster> I know ethereal is good, just trying to be cost effective - seeing as we have paid for it already!
[06:56] <sysrq> StarScream: things like crontab need a way to send mail locally
[06:56] <ubuntu> salut
[06:56] <Nalioth> Tatster, if there is no lack of programs on linux, its networking program
[06:56] <dabaSlon> zachary: save teh file, close it. open a terminal, and type in sudo apt-get update
[06:56] <anathema> ethreal is free
[06:56] <DaBlade> I don't know why I was emailed. I do run a Linux forum, but my host is the one who handles all the server stuff lol. I don't even know basic HTML
[06:56] <anathema> cant get better cost than that
[06:56] <ulisse> 2nd attempt: does anybody got to work the Composite thing on hoary?
[06:56] <Tatster> I thinks I will partition of my hard disk and try a dual boot
[06:56] <Nalioth> Tatster, you'll save money in the long run
[06:56] <dabaSlon> then see if that comes back with no errors.
[06:57] <dabaSlon> zachary: if it comes back with an error, well tweakl your sources list
[06:57] <ubuntu> y'a t'il 1 francais Merci a luio
[06:57] <elcu> Tatster: ubuntu can even resize your ntfs IIRC.
[06:57] <ubuntu> o
[06:57] <elcu> ubuntu: er, #ubuntu-fr
[06:57] <Tatster> Elcu , that sounds nice (if not a bit risky!)
[06:57] <Nalioth> Tatster, a linux box can function well beyond the lifespan of the same box running windoze
[06:57] <anathema> gparted can resize ntfs??
[06:57] <anathema> sweet
[06:58] <zachary> dabaSlon: its done
[06:58] <djm62> Tatster: yeah, it's always more cost-effective to use stuff you know how to use
[06:58] <elcu> anathema: you can do it through the ubuntu installer
[06:58] <elcu> as well
[06:58] <albacker> guys, is k3b better than xcdroast for cd-writting ?
[06:58] <dabaSlon> ok, no errors?
[06:58] <Nalioth> Tatster, two words  "no exploits"
[06:58] <anathema> resize it without messing it up ?
[06:58] <zachary> no errors
[06:58] <Nalioth> Tatster, two more "no virii"
[06:58] <ubuntu> y'a t'il 1 francais Merci a lui   Newbie
[06:58] <elcu> anathema: nothiing is guaranteed.
[06:58] <anathema> haha
[06:58] <anathema> course not :)
[06:58] <Tatster> Nalith, 1 more - a community that cares!
[06:58] <anathema> ive got a windows ntfs raid0
[06:59] <anathema> i would really like to get that space back
[06:59] <dabaSlon> great, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[06:59] <anathema> cant think of how i'd do that
[06:59] <Nalioth> ubuntu en le #ubuntu-fr s'il vous plait
[06:59] <Tatster> sorry Nalioth - missed the O
[06:59] <dabaSlon> once that is done, youre good to go for mp3s likely.
[06:59] <anathema> do you need to defragment before using gparted?
[06:59] <dabaSlon> And have the right sources bnext time you wanna install anything,
[06:59] <dabaSlon> zachary: ill show you how to search them, in case you dont know,
[07:00] <Nalioth> ubuntu please ask
[07:00] <elcu> anathema: IIRC, linux doesn't need defragmenting
[07:00] <Nalioth> elcu he's talking about his win partition
[07:00] <anathema> how could something not need defragmenting
[07:00] <elcu> ah.
[07:00] <Nalioth> anathema, *nix has no fragmentation
[07:00] <sysrq> since when is linux a filesystem
[07:00] <Nalioth> anathema, or it defragments as it writes
[07:00] <anathema> im using reiser
[07:01] <anathema> hmm
[07:01] <sysrq> ext(2|3) does fragment to an extent, however it's not worth defragmenting
[07:01] <dabaSlon> zachary:  let us know when you are listening to an mp3...
[07:01] <anathema> wow this beep thing is way better than xmms
[07:01] <anathema> no software volume contorl but thats not bad
[07:01] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: hey, did anything change?
[07:02] <elcu> anathema: no vol. control?  what's this then?  *slides volume up and down*
[07:02] <anathema> elcu, winamp has the option of controlling the volume thru a software mixer type thing
[07:02] <anathema> doesnt change system volumes
[07:02] <MetallicB> Hey peeps
[07:02] <djm62> elcu: /software/ volume control...not touching the hardware mixer
[07:02] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: my last post meant....when you are mounting something, you are mounting a device(usually) onto a directory.
[07:02] <djm62> anathema: check preferences...it might be an option
[07:02] <dabaSlon> so, the command has this format mount device destination
[07:02] <anathema> i did, its not, but no biggy
[07:03] <anathema> keep pcm at around 80 then make it adjust master volume
[07:03] <dabaSlon> if you sudo mkdir /media/cd
[07:03] <dabaSlon> and then mount /dev/cdrom /media/cd that may work.
[07:04] <anathema> ok one more question for today
[07:04] <dabaSlon> zachary: whats goin on? installed yet?
[07:04] <jedipottsy306> dabaSlon, no nothing has changed
[07:04] <zachary> dabaslon
[07:04] <zachary> i got it to play through xmms
[07:04] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: make a folder like I said, and mount /dev/cdrom onto it
[07:04] <anathema> a lot of the themes on themes.org for gtk 1 and 2....when i drag/drop them or try installing..it says invalid file format..shouldnt these work ?
[07:04] <dabaSlon> only root can mount though
[07:05] <zachary> in rhythm box it still says i'm a jerk and i need to install a plugin
[07:05] <dabaSlon> hehe
[07:05] <dabaSlon> cool
[07:05] <dabaSlon> awesome, at least it works.
[07:05] <zachary> thanks alot
[07:05] <dabaSlon> yup, youre welcome.
[07:05] <jedipottsy306> how?
[07:05] <zachary> it think its something with the esound
[07:05] <dabaSlon> did you install the gstreamer?
[07:05] <zachary> i did install
[07:05] <jedipottsy306> sudo mount /cdrom/ /new folder/ ?
[07:05] <sysrq> anathema: probably because they are in a tarball, you will have to extract them first
[07:05] <Bentley> hello all, using Ubuntu Live, is it possible to eject the CD and insert a blank to burn files?
[07:05] <dabaSlon> sudo mount /dev/cdrom /newfolder
[07:06] <anathema> usually you dont..but ill do that ok
[07:06] <jedipottsy306> where does the folder have to go?
[07:06] <Nalioth> Bentley, you will probably need to get another burner
[07:06] <cens0red> hi. I'm a muso. Does anyone know of a good package for ubuntu for writing music manuscript? Dots? Preferable one that'll interface with timidity?
[07:06] <dabaSlon> zachary: for wmv and other movie support you can sudo apt-get install w32codecs now
[07:07] <djm62> cens0red: rosegarden4 ?
[07:07] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: anywhere you want to mount it
[07:07] <cens0red> f~djm62 ta!
[07:07] <jedipottsy306> ok i did mkdir cd
[07:07] <dabaSlon> you can mount it to your home folder if you want to
[07:07] <jedipottsy306> and then sudo mount /dev/cdrom /cd
[07:07] <jedipottsy306> but it says mount: mount point /cd does not exist
[07:07] <dabaSlon> did you mkdir /cd, or mkdir cd?
[07:08] <anathema> for example im trying to install xliquidgtk
[07:08] <anathema> just for fun
[07:08] <anathema> and i cant get it to install
[07:08] <jedipottsy306> no medium found
[07:08] <anathema> extracted it..
[07:08] <anathema> left it in the tarbal
[07:08] <anathema> nothign works
[07:08] <Frafra> hi all
[07:08] <Frafra> i must use xsl file in ubuntu
[07:08] <sysrq> anathema: maybe it's a theme engine and not just a theme?
[07:08] <dabaSlon> anathema: the gnome site has instructions for installing the themese and such
[07:09] <Frafra> but firefox doesn't read it
[07:09] <Frafra> what i must do?
[07:09] <dabaSlon> .xsl?
[07:09] <anathema> theme engine?
[07:09] <anathema> its just a thing full of pngs
[07:09] <dabaSlon> tahts a spreadsheet in open office, wasnt it?
[07:09] <anathema> in a few diff directories
[07:09] <sysrq> Frafra: why would firefox read a xsl file? xsl files are just templates for xml documents
[07:09] <Frafra> yes, xsl
[07:09] <jedipottsy306> ok can i install kde if i cant get it off the disc?
[07:09] <dabaSlon> open it with open office
[07:09] <djm62> Frafra: how about emacs?
[07:09] <dabaSlon> yes, jedipottsy306
[07:09] <MetallicB> I am new to ubuntu (But not at linux experiance), How do i install ATI drivers trough AGP-GET?
[07:09] <Nalioth> jedipottsy306, install "kubuntu-desktop"
[07:10] <Nalioth> jedipottsy306, via apt-get
[07:10] <djm62> dabaSlon: not xls...xsl
[07:10] <dabaSlon> ok.
[07:10] <sysrq> anathema: no gtkrc files in the archive?
[07:10] <jedipottsy306> E: Couldn't find package kubantu-desktop
[07:10] <dabaSlon> jedipottsy306: you created cd, and tried to mount to /cd, which is different
[07:10] <DaBlade> How do I install sun Java VM through apt?
[07:10] <dabaSlon> kubuntu
[07:10] <elcu> MetallicB: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:10] <anathema> yes there is sysrq
[07:10] <anathema> in the same dir as all the pngs
[07:10] <Nalioth> jedipottsy306, are your sources updated?
[07:10] <josip> which dpkg's switch was repairing damaged packages ?
[07:10] <jedipottsy306> dabaSlon, i did, but then it said no medium
[07:11] <Nalioth> jedipottsy306, nm check your spelling
[07:11] <dabaSlon> : E: Couldn't find package kubantu-desktop should be kubuntu
[07:11] <rebeca> what is the equivalent of build-essential in warty? i've enabled universe but it doesnt seem to work :(
[07:11] <sysrq> anathema: just extract it in ~/.themes/ and include the gtkrc it in your ~/.gtkrc(-2.0)
[07:11] <sig> -f, --fix-broken,
[07:11] <jedipottsy306> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[07:11] <jedipottsy306>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[07:11] <jedipottsy306> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[07:11] <Nalioth> rebeca, it is the same pkg
[07:11] <DaBlade> Hello? Anyone?
[07:11] <Desolate> anyone have any idea why I keep getting "bcmwl5(a) invalid driver!" every time I try to install bcmwl5 or bcmwl5a?
[07:11] <anathema> sysrq, ok do i extract the .png's directly or put them in a directory?
[07:11] <dabaSlon> DaBlade: um...there are several ways...
[07:12] <anathema> ie ~/.themes/xliquid
[07:12] <rebeca> Nalioth, but it didnt work :P, gonna try again
[07:12] <Frafra> i've created a xml file, that use a xsl file, but firefox doesn't read it
[07:12] <dabaSlon> You can not easily just enter a command to install
[07:12] <sysrq> anathema: just extract the archive, keep the directory structure
[07:12] <Nalioth> rebeca, thats all i know
[07:12] <fsapo> to install kde in ubuntu i just have to install that kde-desktop package?
[07:12] <sysrq> Frafra: did you specify the xsl template in the XML?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> DaBlade: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats shows the official way
[07:12] <DaBlade> dabaSlon I tried installing it the regular way (downloaded their package and installed it) but it didn't work
[07:12] <djm62> DaBlade: have you googled the wiki?
[07:12] <anathema> one of the directories is a .
[07:12] <anathema> doh
[07:12] <DaBlade> no, not the regular way
[07:12] <Frafra> <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="stile.xsl"?>
[07:12] <rebeca> Nalioth, thanks
[07:12] <DaBlade> I tried it, and it didn't work
[07:12] <Nalioth> fsapo, the metapackage is called "kubuntu-desktop"
[07:12] <anathema> sysrq, can i PM you? too much talking heheh
[07:12] <dabaSlon> you nmade a misttake somewhere, DaBlade
[07:12] <DaBlade> there's gotta be a deb for it..no?
[07:12] <elcu> rebeca: try updating your sources.  http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#extrarepositories
[07:13] <fsapo> Nalioth, ok thans.. just installing it will be fine?
[07:13] <dabaSlon> there may well be...
[07:13] <Nalioth> fsapo, install using your favorite apt tool
[07:13] <dabaSlon> you tried the restricted formats wiki page, DaBlade?
[07:13] <sysrq> Frafra: perhaps there is something wrong with it, also this really doesn't belong here as it isn't specific to ubunut. However try running xsltproc on it instead see what errors that gives you
[07:13] <DaBlade> but how do I find out? and what's it called?
[07:13] <fsapo> Nalioth, ok, thanks
[07:13] <sysrq> anathema: yes
[07:13] <josip> sig, that does not work
[07:14] <sig> josip: then your doing it wrong....
[07:14] <josip> dpg -f
[07:14] <josip> :)
[07:14] <josip> dpkg
[07:14] <MetallicB> Thanx elcu
[07:14] <dabaSlon> DaBlade: you said you tried the wiki page?
[07:14] <dv8> small gnome question: how can i remove couple of "open with .. " entries from nautilus? I opened a mp3 file with the same app 3 times and now i have 3 "Open with Music Player" entries in my nautilus file browser.
[07:14] <elcu> MetallicB: np
[07:14] <cusco> I still didn't suceed to instal php
[07:14] <DaBlade> dabaSlon reading now
[07:14] <djm62> DaBlade: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:14] <Frafra> sysrq: xsltproc exist
[07:14] <dabaSlon> ok, good.
[07:14] <elcu> dv8: right-click -> properties
[07:15] <MetallicB> elcu, root@localhost:/home/metallicb # cat /proc/pci
[07:15] <MetallicB> cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory
[07:15] <elcu> open with tab
[07:15] <sysrq> Frafra: ok? so run it on the xsl and xml file
[07:15] <elcu> MetallicB: ?
[07:15] <dv8> elcu: duh! thanks man
[07:15] <MetallicB> Thats what i get
[07:15] <dv8> :)
[07:15] <elcu> MetallicB: when you do what?
[07:15] <MetallicB> In terminal
[07:16] <MetallicB> from the ATI drivers tutorial to instal on ubuntu
[07:16] <Frafra> thanks
[07:16] <hac> Why when I go on www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp Firefox freeze?I have the last Java virtual machine
[07:16] <paulproteus> cusco: Did you restart Apache2?
[07:16] <MetallicB> apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src <= Shuld work but he cant find fglrx-kernel-src one
[07:16] <paulproteus> I ask because you said you restarted "Apache".
[07:17] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to print something, and whenever I hit print on Abiword, it crashes
[07:17] <Quest-Master> I ran it from a terminal
[07:17] <Quest-Master> And this is the error
[07:17] <Quest-Master> libpng error: incorrect data check
[07:17] <FunnyLookinHat> hac: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp   -- Grab last download link for linx
[07:17] <elcu> MetallicB: what is your card? and hoary or warty?
[07:18] <dabaSlon> my sound jsut went again
[07:18] <MetallicB> ATI 9600
[07:18] <DaBlade> ok thanks, downloading it through Synaptic now
[07:18] <cusco> paulproteus: I removed apache2 Im using apache and libapache-mod-php4 and I restarted apache.. yes... :(
[07:18] <dabaSlon> ZI just closed a video (xine) window, and my sound went with it.
[07:18] <cusco> http://cusco.biz.tm
[07:18] <elcu> MetallicB: warty or hoary?
[07:18] <DaBlade> (I wish there was a KDE version of Synaptic lol)
[07:18] <bur[n] er> kynaptic
[07:18] <djm62> DaBlade: kynaptic
[07:18] <albacker> kde sux !
[07:18] <Nalioth> DaBlade, kynaptic
[07:18] <DaBlade> :o
[07:18] <DaBlade> I didn't know that
[07:18] <DaBlade> lol
[07:18] <djm62> DaBlade: next wish! ;)
[07:18] <DaBlade> is it in th erepos?
[07:18] <Frafra> it says that the xsl file hasn't a valid mimetype xml
[07:19] <DaBlade> *repos
[07:19] <MetallicB> elcu, whats diffrence of warty or hoary?
[07:19] <bur[n] er> DaBlade: is it?
[07:19] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:19] <Nalioth> DaBlade, of course
[07:19] <elcu> MetallicB: what version of ubuntu are you running? do you have two menus or three at the top?
[07:19] <DaBlade> I'm starting to like *buntu distros :D
[07:20] <MetallicB> Latest 5.0.4 i tought
[07:20] <cusco> paulproteus: what am I missing?
[07:20] <elcu> MetallicB: Follow the section labelled: "For Hoary (Ubuntu version 5.04)"
[07:20] <topyli> MetallicB: do "cat /etc/lsb-release" and stop guessing :)
[07:21] <Frafra> who can help me?
[07:21] <MetallicB> topyli, You probely gues effery thing after 2 full weeks of party and comming home with an complicated linux machine ^^
[07:21] <orhsonwindows> hey
[07:21] <MetallicB> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[07:21] <MetallicB> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04
[07:21] <MetallicB> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[07:21] <MetallicB> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release)"
[07:21] <MetallicB> Yeap
[07:22] <elcu> MetallicB: don't paste please.
[07:22] <Nalioth> elcu they are the "point and click people" just like i am a "turn the key and drive guy (i know nothing about engines)"
[07:22] <DaBlade> [shameless-self-advertisement] If anyone here likes/uses P2P, there's a forum dedicated to it on Linux. www.LinuxP2P.com (I run it) [/shameless-self-advertisement] .
[07:22] <MetallicB> ok
[07:23] <elcu> Nalioth: still, i bet you know how many litres
[07:23] <Seveas> DaBlade, stop spamming please...
[07:23] <DaBlade> lol :P
[07:23] <topyli> Nalioth: might have surprising effects when the controls on different machinery do different things :)
[07:23] <narkone> #ubuntu-es
[07:24] <orhs> irc,hackerthreads.org/6667
[07:24] <orhs> woops sry..
[07:24] <shinu> xD
[07:25] <Nalioth> elcu, this will take us to the vim vs emacs roadway
[07:25] <topyli> djm62: try "cat /proc/version" :)
[07:25] <elcu> vim
[07:25] <Nalioth> topyli, point and click are point and click
[07:25] <elcu> :-)
[07:25] <Seveas> "Smith & Wesson, the original point & click device"
[07:25] <Nalioth> elcu the argument was a moot point ( i use neither)
[07:25] <djm62> topyli: I know a few ways to check which kernel...I've been using linux since 2.2.  I was referring to the fact that I don't care what kernel, nor do I need to know.
[07:25] <jordanau> Seveas, haha
[07:26] <djm62> topyli: and that this is a positive thing :)
[07:26] <elcu> Nalioth: out of interest, what *do* you use?
[07:26] <topyli> djm62: true, as long as they run they're good
[07:26] <orhs> seveas, lol :P
[07:26] <Nalioth> elcu nano or abiword (for rtf)
[07:26] <djm62> topyli: haven't compiled or patched my own since 2.4
[07:26] <topyli> same here, no need
[07:27] <GNAM> hi, I want root user can read/write partion, other users only read.... umask=022?
[07:27] <amaro> join #kubuntu
[07:27] <djm62> topyli: someday, the same will be true of higher-level software, I rekon
[07:27] <amaro> sorry
[07:27] <amaro> I was trying /join
[07:27] <topyli> djm62: that will be the day when all gui's are more or less the same. like different windows versions
[07:28] <jnoon> anyone know how i can get sqlite3.2.1 or newer ? is there a repo with more current stuff?
[07:28] <djm62> topyli: when all meta-gui-configurators are similar, maybe? ;)
[07:28] <snugglebunny> Is there anyway to stop ubuntu asking for a password after a user logs out after using new login? Common problem with gf and I using the same pc
[07:28] <elcu> jnoon: either wait .. or compile the latest one from source/get rpm and alien it if available
[07:29] <topyli> djm62: heh yeah. i fear that day :)
[07:29] <djm62> topyli: really?
[07:29] <jnoon> elcu thanks
[07:30] <djm62> topyli: I figure, all humans are anatomically similar, so all human interfaces will be vaguely convergent
[07:30] <topyli> djm62: i'm afraid they have to have a pretty much similar technology underneath. no progress allowed
[07:31] <paulproteus> cusco: I suggest doing apt-get remove --purge apache* libapache-* apache2* libapache2*
[07:31] <paulproteus> cusco: And then following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo .
[07:31] <djm62> progress is a strange one
[07:31] <topyli> djm62: all humans may be similar, but they do different things. thus, they need different tools
[07:32] <topyli> or, they like different tools
[07:32] <Nalioth> topyli, but we all have the same extremitys and design
[07:32] <topyli> sure
[07:32] <djm62> topyli: I'm thinking the interface will be more-and-more designed to take advantage of neurological stuff
[07:32] <Nalioth> topyli, and all our tools, however different they seem to us, all work pretty much the same
[07:33] <djm62> topyli: and there's only so many things you can do with a computer, however we try to invent new ones
[07:33] <topyli> djm62: that won't be a gui really. it'll just be an interface
[07:34] <djm62> topyli: well, I meant more stuff like taking advantage of the way the human visual apparatus processes stuff, subtle colour cues and movements
[07:34] <orhs> hey can someone name a good program like a gaim type of program?
[07:34] <djm62> orhs: main "competitor" would be kopete
[07:34] <topyli> Nalioth: well, like djm62 says, the things that are convenient to do with a computer, are few
[07:34] <Nalioth> djm62, you are thinking not far enough out
[07:34] <Seveas> orhs, you mean an instant messaging program?
[07:34] <djm62> Nalioth: I'm thinking along the way....
[07:34] <Nalioth> djm62, we will have thought-based-interfaces soon enough
[07:35] <orhs> djm62 so ill just run apt-get on it?
[07:35] <Seveas> amsn (only msn iirc)
[07:35] <djm62> orhs: if you like, yeah
[07:35] <Nalioth> orhs is gaim not good enough?
[07:35] <Seveas> kopete is a kde program
[07:35] <orhs> nalioth, i dont seem to be able to view my nick on gaim
[07:35] <djm62> Nalioth: I'm not sure we will...it's a tricky thing, either with fMRI or direct neural interfaces (ion channels migrate in a nasty way)
[07:36] <dell500> how do you add a Canon A40 digicam to Ubuntu?
[07:37] <topyli> Nalioth: add yourself to your buddy list and you can see if you're online or not :)
[07:37] <djm62> Nalioth: if we can work out exactly how neural nets work in vivo, we'll still only be halfway
[07:37] <dezol> hello, does anyone know how to add more display options in x-windows?  I need 1280x760 and it doesn't show up as a choice.
[07:37] <dezol> 1280x1024 sorry
[07:38] <djm62> information efficient stuff like dasher could well be the immediate future, IMO
[07:38] <Fator_Dee> dell500: me canon works outof the box, just plug the usb cord in
[07:38] <ryman> I installed rar
[07:38] <Nalioth> djm62, the us military is funding experiements with paraplegics now, and have had success with non-surgical interfaces for the brain waves
[07:38] <ryman> but I can't open rar file
[07:38] <ryman> can someone please help me
[07:38] <Fator_Dee> dell500: and it's also A40
[07:38] <Nalioth> ok folks
[07:38] <topyli> djm62: dasher? is that lilke the gnome dashboard project? (and ms's, and apple's...)
[07:38] <Nalioth> tome for work
[07:39] <Nalioth> time even
[07:39] <Nalioth> y
[07:39] <AirWays> Amm, where is xorg.conf+
[07:39] <djm62> Nalioth: I've read the reports...we can do some very crude and limited stuff, the most success has been with lobsters (order of magnitude on the size)
[07:39] <AirWays> Where i can edit xorg.conf file?
[07:39] <Nalioth> all be good or (smile a lot)
[07:39] <djm62> topyli: dasher is something far odder...
[07:39] <KING^^^> hello all , I have a problem with my dcgui-qt , when i download the list from somebody i can't see anything , just simply root directory , why ?
[07:39] <elcu> AirWays: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:39] <AirWays> Thanks
[07:39] <djm62> topyli: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
[07:39] <elcu> AirWays: for future reference: locate <filename>
[07:40] <AirWays> Okay thanks :)
[07:40] <anathema> hey are linux restricted models on the ubuntu cd?
[07:40] <djm62> elcu: eh?
[07:40] <jeroen_> nineteen eight-four the book?
[07:40] <KING^^^> noone can help me ?
[07:41] <elcu> djm62: i don't want my mind read
[07:41] <djm62> elcu: 1984 was about politics, not technology
[07:41] <djm62> elcu: your mind is read regularly ;)
[07:41] <elcu> dare i ask how so?
[07:41] <topyli> djm62: there are other UI hippies too: http://fenfire.org/ :)
[07:41] <djm62> elcu: every purchase you make with a card...insight
[07:42] <MetallicB> elcu,
[07:42] <elcu> djm62: lucky i don't have a credit card
[07:42] <MetallicB> elcu 3 words: God damn ATI
[07:42] <djm62> elcu: or anything that gets delivered to your house
[07:42] <elcu> MetallicB: what's up?
[07:42] <hans_> where can i find live radio stations to add in my music-player in ubuntu?
[07:42] <MetallicB> Dousnt work properly :s
[07:42] <MetallicB> Or hold on
[07:43] <djm62> elcu: you are a consumer, not a citizen, and you are being monitored...the absence of a credit card allows us to read your mind to an extent, too ;)
[07:43] <elcu> djm62: lucky i'm a hobo.
[07:43] <DaBlade> Are there any ubuntu debs for mkfs.vfat
[07:43] <DaBlade> ?
[07:43] <MetallicB> elcu, do you know where the drivers config is located?
[07:43] <Seveas> DaBlade, it's in a standard install
[07:44] <elcu> MetallicB: /etc/X11/xorg.conf what is the problem?
[07:44] <DaBlade> it doesn't seem to be here
[07:44] <Seveas> DaBlade, it really is :D
[07:44] <paulproteus> KING^^^: Try enabling passive mode.
[07:44] <MetallicB> I have to put Vsinc from yes to no
[07:44] <DaBlade> hans_: Install amarok. It has lots of them in the default playlist
[07:44] <elcu> MetallicB: i'd hold off editing that if you don't knwo what you're doing, or at least back it up.
[07:44] <DaBlade> ok
[07:44] <sylvan> Hey. I have a library packaged up in an .rpm, how do I install it in ubuntu
[07:44] <Seveas> DaBlade, it is in the dosfstools package
[07:44] <eob84> Hi
[07:45] <jeroen_> sylvan: alien it
[07:45] <DaBlade> ok
[07:45] <topyli> djm62: dasher really seems to be weird
[07:45] <djm62> topyli: interesting...on a different level to stuff I'm interested in
[07:45] <eob84> I can't seem to get rhythmbox working on ubuntu
[07:45] <sylvan> jeroen_ will try!
[07:45] <elcu> MetallicB: you might want to install this package: fglrx-control package
[07:45] <Seveas> DaBlade, and ubuntu-base depends on dosfstools
[07:45] <eob84> has anyone one else been able to do this?
[07:45] <djm62> topyli: it's quite...fun.  I can imagine it being _the_ killer app for eye trackers
[07:45] <MetallicB> elcu, made one :P
[07:45] <topyli> djm62: yeah, easily
[07:45] <jordanau> eob84, get xmms its better
[07:45] <eob84> well
[07:46] <eob84> I can't get that to work either
[07:46] <DaBlade> ubuntu-base...I think I deleted that when removing some annoying gnome app
[07:46] <jeroen_> get beep-media-player it's even better than xmms
[07:46] <jordanau> eob84, have you installed the gstreamer mp3 stuff?
[07:46] <DaBlade> I use KDE though, so that's no problem
[07:46] <djm62> topyli: they've missed a trick keeping the alphabet in order up to now...common letters should be central as well as larger
[07:46] <eob84> I installed a plugin to play AAC and it just doesn't show up in the XMMs plugins
[07:46] <Scorpion> hi, how do i associate .mp3 to a specific program?
[07:46] <eob84> yea I did
[07:46] <jeroen_> Scorpion: in nautilus?
[07:46] <eob84> I am in KDE
[07:46] <djm62> topyli: if you know some formal information theory, it's entertaining to apply that sort of UI to other applications
[07:47] <eob84> not sure if that is part of the problem
[07:47] <djm62> Scorpion: in gnome? right click on the MP3 and go to properties
[07:47] <topyli> djm62: create everything with dasher, then organize eveything with fenfire, and you have one cool machine :)
[07:47] <Scorpion> ok
[07:47] <eob84> I want to use rhythm box because it works well with my IPOD
[07:48] <djm62> topyli: is fenfire in a repo?
[07:48] <Scorpion> tnx, im new to linux
[07:48] <jedipottsy> lol me 2, but ull pick it up quick if u mess
[07:48] <djm62> Scorpion: all good now?
[07:48] <anathema> man, bmp kicks ass
[07:49] <anathema> seeks instant, ctrl-a works, uses winamp skins
[07:49] <anathema> soo much better than xmms
[07:49] <tanek> anyone got WoW working under cedega? i get no mouse pointer :(
[07:49] <topyli> djm62: they have code in savannah.org. i've seen a project leader dude show off a more-or-less working demo too
[07:49] <Scorpion> djm62: yep tnx
[07:49] <Leira> is there any relationship between Debian-AMD64 and Ubuntu-AMD64?
[07:49] <sysrq> tanek: that isn't ubuntu related, ask in the cedega channel
[07:49] <jedipottsy> whats bmp?
[07:49] <MetallicB> elcu,
[07:49] <jordanau> jedipottsy, beep-media-player
[07:50] <larsrohdin> how to change the file format from ext3 to fat32 on a disc?
[07:50] <elcu> MetallicB: if you want to disable vsync, see the 3rd post, add that line in the device section i think: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=18&threadid=163615
[07:50] <anathema> beep music player
[07:50] <Mad_Omega> wenas
[07:50] <anathema> er
[07:50] <anathema> media player
[07:50] <sysrq> larsrohdin: I doubt there is a way to convert between the two
[07:50] <jordanau> larsrohdin, are you formatting?
[07:50] <Mad_Omega> alguien habla espaol???
[07:50] <larsrohdin> jordanau, yes
[07:50] <Scorpion> is there a good burning software for ubuntu, that can burn images, like dvddecryptor and alcohol for windows
[07:50] <djm62> topyli: the interesting stuff is...real neurons are information efficient, and chaotic.  Eventually I think we can skip higher language altogether
[07:50] <tritium> Mad_Omega, #ubuntu-es
[07:50] <jordanau> larsrohdin, delete the partition and create a new one
[07:50] <Mad_Omega> thanks
[07:50] <paulproteus> Scorpion: k3b.
[07:50] <larsrohdin> sysrq, of course there is
[07:50] <djm62> Scorpion: right-click on the image file in the file manager
[07:51] <sysrq> larsrohdin: without losing data?
[07:51] <sylvan> jeroen_ so once I've alien'd it to a .deb, how do I install it?
[07:51] <larsrohdin> jordanau, in cfdisk i can only see hda, how can i see hdb?
[07:51] <Fator_Dee> sysrq: dpkg -i packagename.deb
[07:51] <goldfish_> sylvan: dpkg -i moo.deb
[07:51] <sylvan> thanks
[07:51] <larsrohdin> sysrq, no i didn''t mean that
[07:51] <Fator_Dee> ops, wrong person :-p
[07:51] <goldfish_> good ole tab :)
[07:52] <larsrohdin> jordanau, oh i found it cfdisk /dev/hdb
[07:52] <sysrq> larsrohdin: then your not simply changing the file format, your reformating to another fs, mke2fs -j /dev/hda#
[07:52] <Scorpion> djm62: does it work good, can i burn movie etc, to dvdr or games
[07:52] <RickSGM1957> hi
[07:52] <jordanau> RickSGM1957, hi
[07:52] <MetallicB> elcu, the package is installed of the controll thingy
[07:52] <larsrohdin> whats the difference between  W95 FAT32 and  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[07:53] <jordanau> larsrohdin, google
[07:53] <elcu> larsrohdin: LBA = large block access IIRC
[07:53] <larsrohdin> elcu, whats that good for?
[07:53] <topyli> djm62: structure is bureaucracy anyway. it helps keep stuff organized. if we want them organized. we might as well want efficiency
[07:53] <^Alone^> i wantto know about the advantage of ubuntu
[07:53] <larsrohdin> elcu, do i need it for a 200gb disc?
[07:53] <elcu> larsrohdin: not sure, i think it might support larger HDDs.
[07:53] <eob84> is there a way to change what sound daemon rhythm box uses?
[07:53] <jedipottsy> hey
[07:53] <elcu> larsrohdin: google
[07:53] <jordanau> ^Alone^, it has a tendency to "just work" any specific questions?
[07:54] <RickSGM1957> Got a question when it's open.
[07:54] <^Alone^> if someone know then plz tell me in a private window
[07:54] <tritium> RickSGM1957, you can ask at any time
[07:54] <Moo> how do I make something run when I log on?
[07:54] <jedipottsy> yay i got the cd drive working :D
[07:54] <goldfish_> Moo: Do you use gnome?
[07:54] <djm62> Scorpion: I can't afford a dvd-R drive...I expect it will work, but let me know
[07:54] <Moo> yes
[07:54] <jordanau> ^Alone^, just ask
[07:54] <RickSGM1957> ok.  I installed some applications with synaptic in new hoary distro, and they're not showing in the menu
[07:54] <goldfish_> Moo: I think it's in the Computer > Sessions menu
[07:54] <topyli> ^Alone^: sorry, i don't answer usenet articles by email either
[07:54] <goldfish_> Moo: u can choose programs to run at startup.
[07:54] <Moo> ok
[07:54] <RickSGM1957> Is there a command to refresh the menu?
[07:55] <elcu> RickSGM1957: killall gnome-panel
[07:55] <djm62> topyli: again and again I find that there is nothing /but/ structure
[07:55] <RickSGM1957> Did that.
[07:55] <Scorpion> djm62: ok
[07:55] <fsapo> RickSGM1957, killall gnome-panel
[07:55] <RickSGM1957> Yes, I done that twice
[07:55] <tritium> RickSGM1957, some packages do not have proper .desktop files, and don't show up in the menu
[07:55] <elcu> RickSGM1957: some packages might not install a menu entry
[07:55] <djm62> Scorpion: it works fine for CDs on my machine...I can't tell you any more than that
[07:55] <RickSGM1957> Is there a way to get them to?
[07:55] <anathema> hey how do i download a deb from apt without downloading none of its deps and without installing it
[07:55] <anathema> i just wasnt the .deb
[07:55] <anathema> want
[07:56] <elcu> RickSGM1957: you could make one yourself, search the ubuntu forums for menu-editor
[07:56] <djm62> anathema: really?
[07:56] <topyli> djm62: well, it's stable. we're terrified of surprises, after all
[07:56] <anathema> im helpin someone out
[07:56] <tritium> RickSGM1957, take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org.  There are some instructions that illustrate how to make a .desktop file for applications.
[07:56] <anathema> need to send him a deb
[07:56] <djm62> topyli: I meant in the universe at large
[07:56] <RickSGM1957> ok.
[07:56] <topyli> djm62: oh, i mean culture
[07:56] <^Alone^> i wantto know aboutthe advantage an d disadvanatge of ubuntu
 if u know then plz tell me
[07:56] <jordanau> anathema, it is in the man pages for apt, i dont remember exactly
[07:56] <RickSGM1957> alone, if you're new to linux, ti's easy to set up.
[07:57] <RickSGM1957> Hadn't crashed yet on me, either.
[07:57] <sysrq> ^Alone^: thats a loaded question, this channel is obvious biases
[07:57] <djm62> anathema: apt-get -d --no-depends install packagename
[07:57] <elcu> RickSGM1957: easy to setup .. not quite
[07:57] <anathema> thanks djm62
[07:57] <RickSGM1957> This is myfirst linux setup.
[07:57] <anathema> helpful bastard ;)
[07:57] <topyli> ^Alone^: it's the only piece of code that clearly loves you :)
[07:58] <ineti> hi
[07:58] <RickSGM1957> I copied and pasted the commands.  Pretty easy work.
[07:58] <djm62> ^Alone^: it does what it says it does, and most people here like what it does
[07:58] <jordanau> ineti, hi
[07:58] <RickSGM1957> I even installed the kde too
[07:59] <RickSGM1957> The question I asked was the only thing for me.
[07:59] <RickSGM1957> :)
[07:59] <djm62> ^Alone^: the real answer is "it's free, try it" ;) don't want to install, get the liveCD
[07:59] <sobersabre> ^Alone^, it is a similar question to "what distro is the best" ...
[07:59] <ineti> i've got a problem with booting my selfmade kernel....ich compiled a new 2.6.11.8 kernel on my ubunto 5.04 und i get always errors wirh vfs panic when trying to boot it ....my kernel doesn't use a initial ramdisk and i disabled the ramdisk in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:59] <DaBlade> how do I install kwrite? It's not in the KDE packages, not a single package in the repos :/
[07:59] <anathema> hey djm62 ...
[07:59] <sobersabre> ^Alone^, go for distrowatch, if you trust them
[07:59] <djm62> anathema: 'sup?
[07:59] <anathema> anathema@wheinbox:~$ apt-get -d --no-depends install avm-fritz-firmware-2.6.10-5E: Command line option --no-depends is not understood
[07:59] <elcu> RickSGM1957: good job.  :)
[08:00] <djm62> damn...I must've misremembered
[08:00] <ivoks> i have pm1.4 :(
[08:00] <RickSGM1957> I had run windows for 5 years.  I see there's more on ubuntu than there is for windows, for sure.
[08:00] <anathema> i cant find a no dependancies option in man
[08:00] <RickSGM1957> Well, I'm gone for the day.
[08:00] <LinuxJones> ineti, you compiled in  filesystems and ide support (ie. not as modules) ?
[08:00] <RickSGM1957> You all have a good day.
[08:00] <[1] punkass> hi all, i have a buddy of mine that is running hoary, and just moved away...he now says that when he enters is username and password in gdm it accepts it, pauses, then returns to gdm without error, and never logs him in
[08:01] <[1] punkass> he is able to log in via  ctrl-alt-Fx  tho
[08:01] <anathema> anyone know how to download from apt wihtout dling dependancies?
[08:01] <sobersabre> anathema, you should use -d, and then Ctl+C after it.
[08:01] <anathema> heh
[08:01] <anathema> ok
[08:01] <sobersabre> or you should write a little conf-file
[08:01] <djm62> anathema: --nodeps, I think
[08:01] <anathema> thats one way
[08:01] <anathema> haha
[08:01] <anathema> nope
[08:01] <bassMonkey> why aren't the deb packages for amule 2.0.0 released yet?
[08:01] <anathema> not nodeps
[08:01] <sobersabre> djm62, grow up :)
[08:01] <eob84> I am not getting a error in rhythm box "could not pause playback"
[08:02] <djm62> sobersabre: what?
[08:02] <Moo> goldfish_, I have to use sudo to start the programs. will it ask me for a password?
[08:02] <sobersabre> djm62, there's no such flag for apt-get.
[08:02] <elcu> eob84: that's good then. everythings ok
[08:02] <sobersabre> maybe dselect
[08:02] <elcu> ;-)
[08:02] <sysrq> Moo: yes, that users password
[08:02] <goldfish_> Moo: emmm, jeez, i don't know :/
[08:02] <djm62> sobersabre: damn...just googling
[08:02] <eob84> what?
[08:02] <Moo> ill test it :P
[08:02] <topyli> bassMonkey: you haven't built any i guess :)
[08:03] <eob84> elcu, what do you mean?
[08:03] <djm62> not quite sure how grow up applies...but I guess this is IRC
[08:03] <elcu> eob84: you said you were not getting an error </smartass comment>
[08:03] <elcu> eob84: jsut ignore me :-)
[08:03] <tritium> bassMonkey, now that hoary is released, the only updates will be security fixes.  Look for it in breezy in October.
[08:03] <Zen> hey all.. i have a webcam and id like to use it for a video chat.. but linux doesnt seem to detect it.. well, it doesnt work in gnomemeeting anyway. Any idea of a solution?
[08:04] <elcu> eob84: anyway, what are you playnig? cd? mp3?
[08:04] <bassMonkey> tritium: well, there aren't any for debian either... =/
[08:04] <tritium> Zen, is it a webcam that is supported in linux?  Do you have a driver for it, and is it loaded?
[08:04] <eob84> elcu, mp3
[08:04] <djm62> anathema: actually...would you be better off at packages.ubuntu.com ?
[08:04] <tritium> bassMonkey, maybe in breezy, then
[08:04] <mebaran151> anyone here know a good ruby resource
[08:04] <djm62> anathema: and choosing a package to download
[08:04] <mebaran151> I cant seem to figure out why it wont initialize this class
[08:04] <bassMonkey> tritium: argh!
[08:04] <Zen> tritium: i have no idea if its supported and ill have a look for the driver and what do you mean is it loaded?
[08:05] <jedipottsy> how do i use my flash memory stick?
[08:05] <jedipottsy> i plug it in and it dont popup
[08:05] <LinuxJones> Zen, have a look here >> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:05] <tritium> Zen, if you know the name of the module that supports it, you can lsmod | <modulename> to see if it's loaded
[08:05] <anathema> i got it djm, ill just delete the two deps this pkg needs
[08:05] <anathema> they are very smal
[08:05] <anathema> thanks tho
[08:06] <DaBlade> Are there any debs for p7zip?
[08:07] <tritium> DaBlade, apt-cache search for it
[08:07] <topyli> DaBlade: not in ubuntu. what is p7zip?
[08:07] <anathema> no
[08:07] <necorium> excuse my ignorance but are debs like drivers?? what exactly are they - i'm always reading bout them
[08:07] <DaBlade> ok trinitum
[08:07] <ivoks_> damn
[08:07] <anathema> there is no 7zip ap in sid afaik
[08:07] <anathema> or anywhere in apt
[08:07] <DaBlade> topyli: 7-zip.prg
[08:07] <DaBlade> *org
[08:07] <elcu> eob84: did you install streamer0.8-mad?
[08:07] <anathema> 7zip is AMAZING compression for some stuff
[08:07] <anathema> like roms
[08:07] <elcu> *gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:07] <DaBlade> it's compression ratio is extreme
[08:08] <anathema> it can be
[08:08] <anathema> for normal stuff its not much better
[08:08] <anathema> but for directories with similar items in them
[08:08] <anathema> like roms
[08:08] <anathema> its WILD
[08:08] <eob84> eclu, well no
[08:08] <anathema> haha
[08:08] <anathema> like 2 gigs comprssed down to like 100megs
[08:08] <eob84> eclu, but the issue is it won't even intialise the sound daemon
[08:08] <anathema> dont use the sound daemon
[08:08] <erirlar> hi, how mutch space does ubuntu with kde use?
[08:09] <LinuxJones> necorium,  .deb files are packages that contain applications for install on Debian based systems
[08:09] <elcu> eob84: becuase you haven't installed the mp3 codec
[08:09] <anathema> follow ubuntuguides on how to set sound up properly
[08:09] <anathema> then disable ESD
[08:09] <metalsand> Eh, if my card shows up functioning in iwconfig
[08:09] <DaBlade> I haven't figured out how to manually install p7zip even after reading the readme several times
[08:09] <DaBlade> it's a complex app
[08:09] <metalsand> but doesn't ever recieve a DCHP IP, what should I do
[08:09] <anathema> haha poor metalsand
[08:09] <sobersabre> anathema, is there a way to make esd work with skype ? :) ( properly )
[08:09] <anathema> you've been in here for days
[08:09] <anathema> trying to get your thing wokring
[08:09] <metalsand> I know man
[08:09] <dark> try dhclient
[08:09] <ivoks_> metalsand start wifi-radar
[08:09] <metalsand> It's really frusterating :(
[08:09] <anathema> sobersabre, ive never figured it out :( wish those assholes would make it alsa-native
[08:10] <eob84> eclu, installed mad same issue
[08:10] <anathema> i would like to hear my UT sounds while i play while on skype
[08:10] <metalsand> dark: DChclient just does DHCPDISCOVERY
[08:10] <sobersabre> anathema, alsa is much better than esd.
[08:10] <metalsand> ivoks_: I have it
[08:10] <djm62> alsa does multiplexing and OSS emulation
[08:10] <anathema> yes
[08:10] <anathema> thats why i want it to be alsa
[08:10] <sobersabre> but, somehow, gnome chose esd.
[08:10] <ivoks_> metalsand is there any network on the list?
[08:10] <anathema> haha oops :)
[08:10] <metalsand> ivoks_: How do I set it so it uses wlan0
[08:10] <tritium> heh
[08:10] <sobersabre> instead of jack
[08:10] <metalsand> Not eth0
[08:10] <djm62> and esd isn't competing with alsa
[08:10] <ivoks_> metalsand edit /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[08:10] <anathema> skype is my biggest complaint about switching to linux
[08:10] <anathema> i cant believe they chose OSS
[08:11] <anathema> glad they ported but i mean come on, how hard would alsa have been
[08:11] <elcu> eob84: not sure then, sorry. are you determined to stick with rythmbox?
[08:11] <sobersabre> anathema, there's a thing named "esddsp" - an esd wrapper for oss
[08:11] <djm62> anathema: use OSS emulation?
[08:11] <sobersabre> as for the arts theres "artsdsp"
[08:11] <eob84> eclu, works well with ipod
[08:11] <anathema> yes
[08:11] <eob84> eclu, are good wiht xmms?
[08:11] <sobersabre> so you actually are supposed to be able to run skype via: "esddsp -m skype"
[08:11] <anathema> ive never gottan skype to work properly with esddsp
[08:12] <sobersabre> anathema, i have done that with artsdsp
[08:12] <elcu> anathema: were these comments directed at eob84? "anathema follow ubuntuguides on how to set sound up properly
[08:12] <elcu> anathema then disable ESD"
[08:12] <anathema> elcu, yes
[08:12] <elcu> eob84: there you go.
[08:12] <anathema> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[08:12] <eob84> hmm?
[08:12] <anathema> follow that
[08:12] <anathema> it enables dmix
[08:12] <anathema> which makes a LOT of stuff work right
[08:12] <Geezer041> Hey
[08:12] <Le-Chuck> Hi all - I can't install phppgadmin on ubuntu - I always see "page not found" with apache2
[08:13] <metalsand> ivoks_:
[08:13] <ivoks_> that's great site
[08:13] <ivoks_> metalsand
[08:13] <metalsand> WWhen I try to connect with wlan0
[08:13] <Geezer041> would someone be able to help me install thunderbird in UBUTU
[08:13] <metalsand> It says could not recieve an IP
[08:13] <metalsand> lol
[08:13] <anathema> Geezer041, sure
[08:13] <Geezer041> thanks
[08:13] <ivoks_> metalsand but, ur network is listed?
[08:13] <Geezer041> i'm a linux noobie
[08:13] <metalsand> ivoks_: I added it, yes
[08:13] <anathema> sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[08:13] <anathema> type that in a console Geezer041
[08:13] <ivoks_> metalsand added?
[08:13] <djm62> metalsand: what have you done so far to make it work?
[08:13] <metalsand> I clicked new...
[08:13] <anathema> then type killall gnome-panel
[08:13] <anathema> and its installed.
[08:13] <ivoks_> metalsand u shouldn't added it, it should appear by it self
[08:13] <metalsand> djm62: I've installed wlan-ng drivers
[08:14] <metalsand> Well, I'm connected to it right now with my internal
[08:14] <metalsand> and it didn't just show up
[08:14] <anathema> get that Geezer041 ?
[08:14] <ivoks_> metalsand run iwlist wlan0 scan
[08:14] <djm62> metalsand: so your card is detected and shows up if you type iwconfig?
[08:14] <Geezer041> yes, thank you
[08:14] <anathema> np
[08:14] <hybrid_goth> hello
[08:14] <Le-Chuck> Somebody willing to help me understand why I can't see phppgadmin? Someone using it at all here?
[08:15] <anathema> man ive been helping necorium for 2 days trying to get isdn wokring haha
[08:15] <Le-Chuck> Thanks in advance :)
[08:15] <ivoks_> djm62 oh, u are so kind :)
[08:15] <anathema> he doesnt have a net connection in linux
[08:15] <anathema> so apt isnt too usefull
[08:15] <anathema> i send him a pkg, he reboots, sees if it works
[08:15] <anathema> comes back
[08:15] <anathema> haha
[08:15] <anathema> jesus
[08:15] <elcu> anathema: i had to do that before i had a working connection.
[08:15] <metalsand> djm62: yes it does
[08:15] <djm62> ivoks_: I'm guessing you'll be right, and two slightly conflicting answers are never good
[08:15] <elcu> not pleasant
[08:15] <metalsand> wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Function not implemented
[08:15] <metalsand> wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Function not implemented
[08:16] <elcu> anathema: at least he wasn't on dialup
[08:16] <ivoks> metalsand there u go...
[08:16] <dantheman> chmod -rwxr-xr-x MYFILE       why does it act as though i've modded it to 0000?
[08:16] <anathema> hes on isdn
[08:16] <ivoks> it doesn't scan
[08:16] <anathema> it isnt much faster than dialup
[08:16] <Geezer041> Ok so i have run that command
[08:16] <metalsand> Well, I obviously know there's a problem ivoks... :P
[08:16] <anathema> which command Geezer041
[08:16] <metalsand> That's why I'm here lol
[08:16] <anathema> apt-get ?
[08:16] <Geezer041> sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[08:16] <anathema> ok
[08:16] <anathema> good
[08:16] <anathema> now type:
[08:16] <anathema> killall gnome-panel
[08:16] <djm62> dantheman: because it was -rwx initially, rather than +rwx ?
[08:16] <anathema> then it will be in applications-internet
[08:16] <ivoks> metalsand well... i don't know now... maybe djm62 knows :)
[08:16] <metalsand> djm62: Help me out
[08:16] <dantheman> so should i change all the - to +?
[08:17] <metalsand> like anathema said, I've been in here for DAYS
[08:17] <g14> because netmail is proprietary maybe?
[08:17] <anathema> haha yes
[08:17] <anathema> days
[08:17] <anathema> poor guy
[08:17] <metalsand> It isn't funny to me :(
[08:17] <g14> wrong window
[08:17] <anathema> i hear ya
[08:17] <ivoks> i helped him around driver
[08:17] <Geezer041> Thank you
[08:17] <djm62> metalsand: rightski...do you have a good idea that your card works on linux, for other people?
[08:17] <anathema> np Geezer041, genjoy
[08:17] <anathema> enjoy
[08:17] <metalsand> ivoks spent hours helping me get the driver installed
[08:17] <ivoks> djm62 it's prism2 card
[08:17] <metalsand> but, this still isn't just working
[08:17] <Geezer041> Will i need to do this everytime i wish to install a program?
[08:17] <metalsand> djm62: I know it's one of the most popular cards
[08:17] <djm62> metalsand: is your network using WEP or WPA?
[08:18] <elcu> Geezer041: in short, yes.  check out ubuntuguide.org
[08:18] <Geezer041> thank you
[08:18] <metalsand> No, djm62 I turned it off when I tried to get this configured
[08:18] <ivoks> djm62 his card doesn't see network at all
[08:18] <metalsand> no MAC filtering
[08:18] <metalsand> and it can't scan
[08:18] <djm62> metalsand: you have been searching
[08:18] <metalsand> yet i've installed th drivers, modprobe prism2_cs shows nothing (no errors)
[08:18] <djm62> metalsand: is your router broadcasting SSID?
[08:18] <metalsand> Yes, djm62
[08:18] <tjoyce> does anyone know about Ubuntu Shipit? I wouldn't mind helping out burning & shipping CDs
[08:19] <metalsand> and I'm sure both the card and PCMCIA slot work because I've used them in both in Windows before
[08:19] <djm62> metalsand: and if you type "iwconfig wlan0 essid $YOURSSID" what happens?
[08:19] <batoms> tjoyce: i know i never got my cd, you can ship one to me ;)
[08:19] <djm62> (you might not get an IP but it would be a nice start)
[08:19] <metalsand> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[08:19] <metalsand>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[08:20] <ivoks> metalsand u tried that as root? (with sudo)
[08:20] <djm62> metalsand: are you using sudo before these commands?
[08:20] <metalsand> that was at root
[08:20] <ivoks> hm hm
[08:20] <djm62> metalsand: are wlan-ng the best drivers for your card?
[08:21] <metalsand> djm62: AFAIK, yes
[08:21] <Le-Chuck> Shall I beg? I can't find further information on this damn phppgadmin, according to the readme apt-get install should have sufficed...
[08:21] <djm62> metalsand: that looks to me like the drivers aren't implementing all of the funcionality
[08:21] <dabaSlon> im going back 2 windows...this sucks...
[08:21] <dabaSlon> hah
[08:21] <djm62> Le-Chuck: no need to beg, but if people here could help, they would have done so
[08:21] <metalsand> djm62: I know others have gotten them tow ork :(
[08:21] <Le-Chuck> Ok thanks :)
[08:22] <djm62> metalsand: can you tell me the card model, for a quick googlecheck
[08:22] <Le-Chuck> It's just that there's no bug on bugzilla so either nobody uses it, or it works for everybody else, I think it's the second
[08:22] <metalsand> Senao SL 2511 PLUS EXT2
[08:22] <djm62> Le-Chuck: can you try for an IRC channel more specific to that software?
[08:23] <metalsand> Or sometiems it's listed as Senao NL 2511 PLUS EXT2
[08:23] <topyli> Le-Chuck: i bet they have a mailing list
[08:23] <metalsand> djm62: It's a prism 2.5 chipset card
[08:23] <ivoks> it's prism2
[08:24] <metalsand> 2.5 :P
[08:24] <djm62> metalsand: usb? pcmcia? pci?
[08:24] <mocker> hey everyone
[08:24] <ivoks> djm62 maybe it has rf switch or smoething?!
[08:25] <quicoju> hi! has anyone installed adesklets from source in your ubuntu?
[08:25] <metalsand> The package currently supports the Intersil
[08:25] <metalsand> 802.11b Prism2, Prism2.5, and Prism3 reference designs for PCMCIA, PCI, and
[08:25] <Le-Chuck> djm62, of course but the problem is surely specific to the ubuntu package - it's very easy to install the package in general from source, but I don't know anything about apache configuration, nor I know how ubuntu does the "automatic" configuration after installation
[08:25] <metalsand> USB. djm62  PCMCIA
[08:25] <metalsand> It's a PCMCIA card
[08:25] <dabaSlon> does anyone know if there is any compatibility between Ubuntu, and minidisc players?
[08:25] <mocker> So I downloaded the Armyops230-linux.run file, but I'm new to linux. Anyone mind telling me how to install it?
[08:25] <[1] punkass> when i enter my username and password in gdm it accepts it, pauses, then returns to gdm without error, and never logs me in...although i can get in via a terminal fine...anythougts?
[08:26] <topyli> mocker: run it :)
[08:26] <djm62> dabaSlon: notmd.sf.net
[08:26] <hybrid_goth> dabaSlon:  have you tried it as a mass drive
[08:26] <dabaSlon> thanks, Ill check it out
[08:26] <topyli> mocker: that is, in a terminal, do "sudo sh Armyops230-linux.run"
[08:26] <djm62> metalsand: reading now...what prism2 modules get loaded?
[08:26] <dabaSlon> i just plugged it so far.
[08:27] <metalsand> djm62: I'm not sure, but I know i need prism2_cs, and modprobe checks that with no errors
[08:27] <ivoks> metalsand lsmod
[08:27] <jahi> Hi, Im wondering if there was a live-CD, which comes with XFCE4 installed?
[08:27] <quicoju> help compiling  adesklets
[08:27] <ivoks> metalsand and don;t paste! :)
[08:27] <dabaSlon> djm62: its still pretty early...
[08:27] <metalsand> What shall i look for ivoks
[08:27] <ivoks> metalsand prism*
[08:28] <metalsand> prism2_cs              80168  1
[08:28] <metalsand> p80211                 33328  1 prism2_cs
[08:28] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[08:28] <dabaSlon> actually, now I remember an article taht says use your output from your Sound card, and input into your minidisc, to record analog...
[08:28] <metalsand> pcmcia                 22244  5 prism2_cs
[08:28] <metalsand> Those 3
[08:29] <djm62> dabaSlon: I don't use MD...proprietary.  I was only aware of the project's existence
[08:29] <metalsand> Perhaps I just wasn't meant for Linux :(
[08:29] <AirWays> Why I can get only 60Hz at 1024x768 resolution even this screen supports 85Hz... Should I change xorg.conf files "VertRefresh     60-75" <-- line ?
[08:29] <djm62> metalsand: it all looks good...if you type dmesg directly after inserting the card, are there any conspicuous things going badly?
[08:29] <elcu> AirWays: yes
[08:30] <elcu> AirWays: hang on
[08:30] <neofeed> why does: oggenc --title="Know It All" --artist="Lagwagon" --album="Trashed" -o "03_know_it_all.ogg" "03_know_it_all.wav" --- not work when I run it though backtics?
[08:30] <AirWays> Okay
[08:30] <dabaSlon> djm62: I dont use it often any more either.
[08:30] <neofeed> I just did `oggenc --title="Know It All" --artist="Lagwagon" --album="Trashed" -o "03_know_it_all.ogg" "03_know_it_all.wav"` but that does not work :(
[08:30] <dabaSlon> ALthough its a cool device...
[08:30] <elcu> AirWays: back it up first, then find out the rates for your monitor, both horizontal, and vertical, then enter the correct details
[08:30] <dantheman> is there a way to make icons on my desktop smaller?
[08:30] <hybrid_goth> .ogg pwns
[08:30] <djm62> dabaSlon: I'm saving up for an iriver
[08:30] <topyli> metalsand: none of them are meant for linux. some just work because someone has written drivers :)
[08:30] <metalsand> hrmmm
[08:30] <dabaSlon> I like MD betted than CD, doesnt skip, no scratching issues...
[08:30] <DanglyBits> anyone point me to a HOWTO on installing Mambo-CMS
[08:30] <ali4728> Newbie needs help!! How can I check if a package/program is installed on my ubuntu machine through my shell? thnx...
[08:30] <metalsand> djm62: I get this
[08:31] <metalsand> Prism2 card SN: 04A236634\x00\x00\x00
[08:31] <metalsand> linkstatus=DISCONNECTED (unhandled)
[08:31] <metalsand> p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped.
[08:31] <metalsand> linkstatus=ASSOCFAIL (unhandled)
[08:31] <metalsand> p80211knetdev_hard_start_xmit: Tx attempt prior to association, frame dropped.
[08:31] <AirWays> Hm
[08:31] <dabaSlon> ali4728: type the packages name into the shell
[08:31] <hybrid_goth> metasland plz dont flood
[08:31] <Tatster> Danglybits - have you tried http://help.mamboserver.com
[08:31] <ali4728> no command?
[08:31] <hybrid_goth> try #flood
[08:31] <dabaSlon> maybe there is
[08:31] <djm62> metalsand: I'll go into #flood for further stuff
 No command with it?
[08:31] <elcu> metalsand: /msg him if necessary
[08:31] <LinuxJones> metalsand, what card do you have ?
[08:31] <Fator_Dee> ali4728: apt-cache show package
[08:31] <dabaSlon> if you install rar, and type in rar in a terminal it will run rar
[08:31] <maxx__> hello ubuntu users! :)
[08:31] <metalsand> I figured 5 lines wouldn't kill anyone
[08:31] <metalsand> sorry
[08:31] <dabaSlon> and if it was not installed,,,,it will tell you there is no such thing.
[08:32] <maxxu> i have a little problem with g++
 Thank you
[08:32] <dabaSlon> hello maxxu
[08:32] <djm62> metalsand: erm...this looks like a horrible problem: have you googled the exact error message?
[08:32] <maxxu> when i try to install any programs from source like gdeslets or xmms or anything else.. at ./configure i get the error than i don't have g++ installed
[08:33] <ivoks> maxxu apt-get install g++
[08:33] <maxxu> i tried with apt-get install g++-3.3, but it doesnt work
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> metalsand : thank you
[08:33] <elcu> maxxu: install build-essential
[08:33] <hybrid_goth> maxxu: try apt-cache search g++
[08:33] <maxxu> ok elcu let's try that
[08:33] <Gabriel> is there any good multimedia repo for hoary ppc?
[08:33] <Fator_Dee> Gabriel: what do you need?
[08:34] <paulproteus> A working mplayer, for a start. ;)
[08:34] <hybrid_goth> Gabriel: all you need is mplayer from their site
[08:34] <shadeofgrey> okay
[08:34] <AirWays> ammm?
[08:34] <shadeofgrey> i need help with enabling totem for DVD's
[08:34] <hybrid_goth> Gabriel: get the source and copile it b/c the ubuntu mplayer sux
[08:34] <AirWays> elcu?
[08:34] <djm62> metalsand: or tried....the hostap drivers for it?
[08:34] <ali4728> Newbie needs help!! How can open port 80 on my Ubuntu machine?
[08:34] <elcu> AirWays: yes?
[08:34] <mocker> hmmm, when I run the file it says the file doesn't exist
[08:34] <maxxu> build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[08:34] <maxxu> that is what i get
[08:34] <AirWays> Do you know answer to my problem?
[08:34] <ivoks> djm62 i tought that to, but aren't those just for hosting AP?
[08:34] <shadeofgrey> VLC isnt going to cut it.  they use the worst file menu ive ever seen in a computer program
[08:34] <AirWays> OH nothing
[08:35] <AirWays> You said that alredy
[08:35] <elcu> AirWays: find out the rates for your monitor, both horizontal, and vertical, then enter the correct details
[08:35] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you have libdvdcss2 installed ?
[08:35] <Gabriel> Fator_Dee, actually nothing for now but I would simply like to know ;)
[08:35] <Boohbah> ali4728: you need to forward the port if you are behind a firewall
[08:35] <djm62> ivoks: no, I use them on ipaq
[08:35] <AirWays> "then find out the rates for your monitor, both horizontal, and vertical" <-- How I can do that?
[08:35] <shadeofgrey> not sure
[08:35] <metalsand> djm62: I missed the first thing you said
[08:35] <shadeofgrey> one moment
[08:35] <metalsand> Before or tried the hostap drivers
[08:35] <djm62> metalsand: try the hostap modules...
[08:35] <Boohbah> AirWays: read the fine manual
[08:35] <quicoju> tried to compile adesklets but the configure script says cannot find python include path, and i have python 2.4 installed
[08:35] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, you need that to be able to play back encrypted dvd's
[08:35] <maxxu> so can anyone help me with my problem?
[08:35] <AirWays> What fine manual
[08:35] <ivoks> metalsand sudo apt-get install hostap-source
[08:36] <Boohbah> AirWays: the one that came with your monitor
[08:36] <djm62> metalsand: apt-cache search hostap, and match your kernel with the available modules
[08:36] <djm62> ivoks: they're available precompiled
[08:36] <AirWays> This is million-years old
 Yeah OK but how about on Ubuntu how do I open the port 80 through Shell?
[08:36] <AirWays> Is there any other way
[08:36] <Boohbah> AirWays: or you can go to the manufacturer's web site
[08:36] <bluesign> Airways: check back of your monitor
[08:36] <ivoks> djm62 i'm not sure...
[08:36] <elcu> quicoju: IIRC, you need the python-dev package
[08:36] <AirWays> Back of monitor?
[08:36] <AirWays> Ah
[08:36] <AirWays> ->
[08:36] <djm62> ivoks: I just searched it ;)
[08:36] <quicoju> thanks
[08:36] <ivoks> djm62 ah, i'm on breezy :)
[08:36] <bluesign> airways: some times manufacturers write, or just google it
[08:37] <Boohbah> ali4728: well, you need to run a daemon that uses that port, such as apache
[08:37] <elcu> maxxu: apt-get update maybe?
[08:37] <AirWays> Hmm
[08:37] <metalsand> djm62: What command do I use to install after I find the one I need
[08:37] <maxxu> nope, it doesn't work
[08:37] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: apt-get install packagename
[08:37] <djm62> metalsand: sudo apt-get install hostap-modules-the-one-you-need
[08:37] <metalsand> I already have it cached, though
[08:38] <metalsand> oh
 Whch version of apache ? any idea?
[08:38] <elcu> maxxu: is your sources.list  ok?
[08:38] <tizen> anyone know if you can setup a keylogger as a firefox extension?
[08:38] <djm62> metalsand: or use synaptic...it's easier to give a command on IRC than demonstrate a mouse click though
[08:38] <maxxu> yes, i think. should i list the links?
[08:39] <metalsand> Okay
[08:39] <djm62> tizen: only for firefox...and why would you want to do that, anyway?
[08:39] <elcu> maxxu: not in here.
[08:39] <metalsand> Installed hostap-modules-2.4.26-1-686
[08:39] <Boohbah> ali4728: how about 2.0.54
[08:39] <ivoks> ok
[08:39] <maxxu> private then?
[08:39] <ali4728> 1.30xx?
[08:39] <elcu> #flood
 1.30xx?
[08:39] <elcu> maxxu: ok
[08:39] <Boohbah> ali4728: sure
[08:39] <djm62> metalsand: what kernel are you using? type "uname -a" to see
[08:39] <ivoks> metalsand now go to that wlan-ng directory
[08:39] <AirWays> Hmm
[08:40] <AirWays> There is only : 75 Hz refresh rate
[08:40] <AirWays> Nothing else
 I will also need php & mysql
[08:40] <AirWays> About horizsync
[08:40] <dman> any known problems with xine quiting directly after opening files?
[08:40] <metalsand> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686 #1
[08:40] <psychonate> dman, What files?
[08:40] <bluesign> airways: best way is to check manufacturer and model on google
[08:40] <metalsand> ivoks: okay
[08:40] <LinuxJones> dman, you probably don't have the playback codecs installed
[08:40] <darksatanic> dman: I've had that with MPEG2s.
[08:40] <AirWays> I'm doing that
[08:40] <ivoks> and do sudo make uninstall
[08:40] <elcu> AirWays: is it a brand-name monitor?
[08:40] <hybrid_goth> does vlc work on ppc ubuntu
[08:40] <AirWays> H Frequency : 30-66 Khz
[08:40] <AirWays> V Frequency : 50-130 Hz
[08:40] <AirWays> Those?
[08:40] <djm62> metalsand: damn! sudo apt-get install hostap-source
[08:41] <darksatanic> dman: My solution was to go back to the earlier version of libxine...
[08:41] <bluesign> airways: yep
[08:41] <tizen> djm62: to get my best friend's gmail password to mess with him :)
[08:41] <whiteknight> hybrid_goth: works on my ppc
[08:41] <metalsand> oh, okay djm
[08:41] <AirWays> And what about those?
[08:41] <ivoks> lol
[08:41] <ivoks> 2.4.x modules :)
[08:41] <jedipottsy> yo, im back :D
[08:41] <djm62> tizen: apt-get install evilness
[08:41] <anathema> damnit, of course themes dont seem to work in BMP
[08:41] <metalsand> hostap-source is already the newest version.
[08:41] <metalsand> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:41] <anathema> nothing ever works wiht themse
[08:41] <AirWays> H Frequency : 30-66 Khz
[08:41] <AirWays> V Frequency : 50-130 Hz
[08:41] <dman> i installed the win32codec package.. but no luck.. it does show the files in preview mode in nautilus..
[08:41] <AirWays> I put like that?
[08:41] <Barnabas> anathema, I justed to tell u I managed
[08:41] <Barnabas> oops
[08:41] <jedipottsy> is there logitech drivers for linux? i want to be able to use my forward and back button in web pages (mx1000)
[08:41] <bluesign> airways: yep
[08:42] <Barnabas> +just wanted
[08:42] <shadeofgrey> linux jones which source list contains libdvdcss2 ?
[08:42] <Tatster> Is there an equivalent of Windoze Group Policy controls (to restrict desktop changes etc)  in Ubuntu?
[08:42] <AirWays> Okay
[08:42] <metalsand> djm62: next step?
[08:42] <AirWays> I'll test ->
[08:42] <tizen> djm62: It's just for a prank dude.
[08:42] <larsrohdin> how to format a disc with fat32?
[08:42] <djm62> metalsand: hang on, I'll get them myself (memory not great)
[08:42] <Boohbah> ali4728: check out what google found: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo
[08:42] <LinuxJones> shadeofgrey, marillate
[08:42] <hybrid_goth> whiteknight: will i need to get all those codecs on the site
[08:43] <Squalleh> hi
[08:43] <hybrid_goth> or is there a deb
[08:43] <jedipottsy> what command to get bmp?
[08:43] <whiteknight> hybrid_goth: no, though i did have to compile libdvdcss myself
[08:43] <anathema> jedipottsy, sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[08:43] <djm62> jedipottsy: I think it's beep-media-player
[08:43] <LinuxJones> dman, what kind of file are you trying to open up /
[08:43] <jedipottsy> thnx
[08:43] <anathema> djm62, you get skins working?
[08:43] <anathema> man im having bad luck wiht skins
[08:43] <whiteknight> hybrid_goth: the only problem is that my iBook even with dma enabled can't play a dvd smoothly enough
[08:43] <anathema> for gnome and for beep
[08:43] <anathema> haah
[08:43] <jedipottsy> now whats command to get "mouse" drivers so i can use the other buttons
[08:43] <anathema> what mouse
[08:44] <jedipottsy> logitech
[08:44] <anathema> dont need a driver
[08:44] <jedipottsy> mx1000
[08:44] <anathema> ill show you jedipottsy sec
[08:44] <jedipottsy> forward and back button dont work
[08:44] <larsrohdin> i don't understand this mkfs thing... how can i format my /dev/hdb1 with fat32?
[08:44] <anathema> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46
[08:44] <anathema> read that
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> whiteknight: yea the mplayer plays tv shows nice but it isnt that great for dvds
[08:44] <hybrid_goth> G3?
[08:44] <anathema> shows how to get the mx1000 workign
[08:44] <dman> darksatanic: im using an old knoppix 3.3 distr. to play EVERYTHING... i dont understand why it does not work in ubuntu.. even after the multimedia updates..
[08:44] <djm62> anathema: I don't use skinds
[08:44] <anathema> ah
[08:44] <anathema> the beep default is kind of ugly
[08:44] <ivoks> metalsand stucked? :)
[08:44] <anathema> too bright
[08:45] <metalsand> ivoks: djm62 is getting steps :P
[08:45] <dark> mx1000 didnt work for me, had laser turn off issues, was horrible for games :x and that was in windows
[08:45] <djm62> ivoks: it's been a while...I'm reading /usr/share/doc
[08:45] <ivoks> metalsand i told you couple of days ago to install hostap-source :)
[08:45] <ivoks> but no...
[08:45] <anathema> buddy has it wokring fine in linux dark
[08:45] <Anubis> http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[08:45] <ivoks> :))
[08:45] <jedipottsy> i love my mx1000 - just wish batt life was longer
[08:45] <anathema> very good for games
[08:45] <dark> hmm interesting
[08:45] <metalsand> ivoks: I was always following your every command :P
[08:45] <ali4728> Help 1 I installed apache2 what is the comand to start the server? thnx
[08:45] <dark> my issue was, id pick it up off the pad, and the laser would turn off
[08:46] <dark> so when i put it back down, it took a second to turn on
[08:46] <dark> so it lagged by 1-2 secs on sharp turns
[08:46] <ivoks> metalsand you didn't if u did, you would't have problems with LOG-FILE :P
[08:46] <dark> (horrible for fps obviously :x)
[08:46] <metalsand> lol
[08:46] <djm62> metalsand: apt-cache search linux-headers and get the one that match your kernel
[08:46] <dark> hopefully they fixed it inone of the revisions
[08:46] <ivoks> djm62 he has them
[08:46] <metalsand> I belive I have the newest ones
[08:46] <djm62> ivoks: ah good
[08:46] <ivoks> djm62 he has whole source, configure for his kernel :)
[08:46] <djm62> ivoks: does that make it look like make-kpkg?
[08:46] <ali4728> Help 1 I installed apache2 what is the comand to start the server? thnx
[08:47] <LinuxJones> ali4728, /etc/init.d/apa{TAB} restart
[08:47] <dman> LinuxJones: can't say that one file type never works and another one does..
[08:47] <ivoks> djm62 I wouldn't suggest, guy is total newbie
[08:47] <dark> sweet, i may try one again
[08:47] <dark> had to return my 1000 for a 510
[08:47] <eruin> make-jpkg :P
[08:47] <LinuxJones> dman, it's intermittent ?
[08:47] <punkrockguy318> How can I get vim to remember my cursor position on files?
[08:47] <jedipottsy> ok is there a software i can make calls with in linux/
[08:47] <Fish-Face> Hi, is gimp-2.2.6 in any of the hoary repos?
[08:47] <metalsand> djm62: He's right. It's my first week in Linux
 appreciated
[08:47] <dman> LinuxJones: some avi's work others don't, totem-xine just exits without any error..
[08:47] <djm62> ivoks: I was wondering if it was as though that was already done
[08:48] <ivoks> djm62 better to go configure/make/make install
[08:48] <thenewlax> anyone get any problems with there soundcard not working all of a sudden. A box popped up that said: Please Check that your soundcard is configured properly, u have the correct output plugin selected and no other program is blocking the sound card
[08:48] <LinuxJones> ali4728, gotta love the TAB auto-complete :)
[08:48] <ivoks> djm62 nope, I think that he has only headers now...
[08:48] <djm62> metalsand: have you got fakeroot? if not, apt-cache search, the usual
[08:48] <metalsand> I'm still in the /etc/wlan
[08:48] <ali4728> I know magic
[08:48] <dman> LinuxJones: no.. some avi's or mpg's NEVER work
[08:48] <metalsand> wondering if I hsould make --- Make install
[08:48] <LinuxJones> dman, your running Hoary ?
[08:48] <ivoks> djm62 it's been couple of days, i don't remeber what i said to install or deinstall :)
[08:48] <dman> LinuxJones: yes
[08:48] <thenewlax> yea i am
[08:48] <jedipottsy> is there wma support in windows?
[08:48] <ivoks> djm62 fakeroot?
[08:49] <ivoks> djm62 that wouldn't help him
[08:49] <elcu> jedipottsy: er, yes
[08:49] <djm62> metalsand: this is a baptism of fire for you..sorry
[08:49] <BiSON> is it possible to install windows xp with the same ubuntu disk partition ?
[08:49] <LinuxJones> dman, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[08:49] <metalsand> ahaahahah
[08:49] <elcu> BiSON: yes
[08:49] <djm62> ivoks: fakeroot debian/rules binary no?
[08:49] <jedipottsy> elcu, how?
[08:49] <eruin> wow
[08:49] <thenewlax> can anyone help me out??
[08:49] <eruin> the force shutdown applet is insanely ugly
[08:49] <eruin> :)
[08:49] <elcu> jedipottsy: do you mean support in ubuntu?
[08:49] <ivoks> djm62 in /usr/src?
[08:49] <BiSON> elcu, hhpw ?
[08:49] <ivoks> djm62 he can't do anything as user there :)
[08:49] <BiSON> elcu, how ?
[08:49] <djm62> ivoks: in $HOME?
[08:50] <ivoks> djm62 hostap-source is in /usr/src
[08:50] <jedipottsy> elcu, yeah
[08:50] <elcu> BiSON: installing ubuntu first or before?
[08:50] <Squalleh> hi
[08:50] <jedipottsy> elcu, i wanna be able to play wma files
[08:50] <eruin> I think totem-xine can play wma with the w32codecs package
[08:50] <ivoks> jedipottsy install windows :)
[08:50] <BiSON> elcu, first
[08:50] <djm62> ivoks: hang on...I thought it was a tar.bz2
[08:50] <eruin> (look for restrictedformats on the wiki)
[08:50] <thenewlax> anyone get any problems with there soundcard not working all of a sudden. A box popped up that said: Please Check that your soundcard is configured properly, u have the correct output plugin selected and no other program is blocking the sound card
[08:50] <xukun> anybody if its possible to add keyserver somewhere in ~.gnupg?
[08:50] <eruin> rhyhtmbox, etc cant play wma since it uses gstreamer
[08:50] <metalsand> eh, how do I What's the cmd to serch apt-cache?
[08:50] <anathema> wonder if there is a beep channel i can ask in
[08:50] <anathema> haha
[08:50] <djm62> metalsand: apt-cache search
[08:50] <elcu> BiSON: you might have problems with the bootloader.
[08:50] <dman> LinuxJones: already got the latest installed
[08:50] <ivoks> djm62 it is, but when you unpack it, it creates /usr/src/modules/hostap-source/
[08:50] <whiteknight> thenewlax: what program are you trying to use?
[08:50] <xukun> bob2: do you have any idea?
[08:51] <Squalleh> im trying to load ubuntu live, but when it boots it seems to freeze up on loading enterprise volume management system...any ideas?
[08:51] <ivoks> Squalleh ctrl c
[08:51] <LinuxJones> dman, argh I am out of ideas dude :(
[08:51] <thenewlax> xine
[08:51] <jedipottsy> ivoks, without installing wma
[08:51] <metalsand> devscripts - Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier
[08:51] <metalsand> fakeroot - Gives a fake root environment
[08:51] <BiSON> elcu, so ?
[08:51] <metalsand> No info on which kernal install I should get :/
[08:51] <elcu> BiSON: i've always done windows, then ubuntu.
[08:51] <djm62> ivoks: it creates whatever you tell it ;) from $HOME, tar -xjvf /usr/src/hostap-*
[08:51] <ivoks> Squalleh and deinstall evlm
[08:51] <Squalleh> ?
[08:51] <Squalleh> uh huh
[08:51] <Squalleh> lemme get a pen
[08:51] <jedipottsy> ivoks, without installing windows*
[08:51] <LinuxJones> dman, can you install gxine ?
[08:51] <ivoks> djm62 ok, do what you think is best :)
[08:51] <djm62> metalsand: sudo apt-get install fakeroot
[08:51] <anathema> nice found it
[08:52] <LinuxJones> dman, it works ok for me
[08:52] <metalsand> done
[08:52] <ivoks> jedipottsy hm... buy mp3 player that can play wma :)
[08:52] <elcu> BiSON: most linux distros know you might install on a box with windows already on it.  windows doesn't give a fuck.
[08:52] <djm62> ivoks: I fear messing around in /usr/src... root can always make a mistake
[08:52] <BiSON> elcu, ok i will remove ubuntu and install windows and then install ubuntu but is there any special steps for that ?
[08:52] <ivoks> djm62 true
[08:52] <jedipottsy> nvm,
[08:52] <amonkey> how can i figure out what firewall i'm running on my linux box? nmap shows only a few ports open, but iptables does't ahev any restrictions(i think)
[08:53] <elcu> BiSON: if you want to dual boot, you need to paritition.  the ubuntu installer can do that for you, and resize the windows paritition to make room.
[08:53] <djm62> metalsand: ok...can you type (as a normal user, in your home directory) "tar -xjvf /usr/src/hostap*"
[08:53] <jedipottsy> how can i enable 6.1 sound for music files?
[08:53] <dman> LinuxJones: gxine is already installed.. exits with the same files..
[08:53] <ivoks> amonkey lol
[08:53] <elcu> *partition
[08:53] <jedipottsy> or cant i?
[08:53] <ivoks> amonkey there only are few ports open by default
[08:53] <Fator_Dee> amonkey: if you have not installed any, you don't have any
[08:53] <LinuxJones> dman, your on Hoary ?
[08:53] <metalsand> Okay dokey, djm62
[08:53] <ivoks> amonkey and there is only one firewall - netfilter aka iptables
[08:53] <metalsand> Done :)
[08:53] <BiSON> elcu, make 2 paritition ?
[08:53] <djm62> and now you have a modules directory, right?
[08:53] <dman> LinuxJones: yes
[08:54] <elcu> what is your current computer setup? ubuntu on the drive and that's it?
[08:54] <metalsand> Eh. You know better than I do :P
[08:54] <amonkey> ivoks: i know i'm a nub, but i wasn't the one who set up the box. how can i open up a port on iptables?
[08:54] <LinuxJones> dman, I am out of ideas :(
[08:54] <metalsand>  Yes, yes I do
[08:54] <ivoks> amonkey ?
[08:54] <metalsand> module/hostapt-source ect
[08:54] <ivoks> amonkey they all are open
[08:54] <eruin> whats he trying to play with gxine?
[08:54] <shadeofgrey> okay guys.  i installed libdvdcss2 and totem still wont play DVD's
[08:54] <Fator_Dee> amonkey: do you know if he who set the box up conffed a firewall?
[08:54] <djm62> metalsand: always good to check
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> is there another package besides that -- that i need?
[08:55] <BiSON> elcu, yup and 3 other parititons
[08:55] <eruin> anyone wanna play wma, etc: READ http://ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:55] <ali4728> What is the correct command to install php (the version which works with mysql) I get the following Error when I try!!!
[08:55] <ali4728> # apt-get install php4   / message: E: Couldn't find package
[08:55] <metalsand> djm62: Of course
[08:55] <elcu> shadeofgrey: totem-gstreamer?
[08:55] <djm62> metalsand: I'm just grabbing my own kernel headers to do this in parallel
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> ahhhh!
[08:55] <topyli> LinuxJones: is gxine a good music player? how does it handle playlists. i'm looking for a media player to end all media players
[08:55] <susanne> hi all, what was the name of the metapackape again, that pulls all packages for c++ development in?
[08:55] <metalsand> djm62: Sure things, djm62.
[08:55] <elcu> shadeofgrey: no, i meant do you have that installed or totem-xine
[08:55] <eruin> topyli: no
[08:55] <LinuxJones> eruin, all video files he tries to play back crashes any playback software he has tried. xine totem etc...
[08:55] <metalsand> If you can get this working you have no idea how greatful I'll be
[08:55] <metalsand> I've been at this for over 15 hours, no joke
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> streamer
[08:56] <m3jsh> hey guys, anyone know the command to see what kernel you're using?
[08:56] <amonkey> fator_dee: no, but i think he did because i couldn't reach the azureus webinterfacte on it's port even though i could lnyx to it from ssh on the box itself
[08:56] <topyli> eruin: referring to gxine?
[08:56] <metalsand> uname -a
[08:56] <snugglebunny> topyli, I'm a fan of rhythmbox. But only because of the lack of excellent linux media players.
[08:56] <djm62> metalsand: yeah, things get frustrating when you don't even know what's going wrong
[08:56] <eruin> topyli: yes, it's not a good music player at all
[08:56] <LinuxJones> topyli, gxine is a video player, rhythmbox is no good for you ?
[08:56] <m3jsh> metalsand: thanks
[08:56] <susanne> uname -r
[08:56] <metalsand> m3jsh: Uh uhuh :)
[08:56] <Fator_Dee> amonkey: look through the gnome menu if you have firestarter installed
[08:56] <ivoks> Linux i8600 2.6.10-ivoks-686 #1 Thu May 5 06:01:25 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> should i have xine instead/
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> ?
[08:56] <elcu> BiSON: personally how i'd do it is to format using windows, deleting all the partitions.  then install ubuntu by resizing the windows partition to make room for the linux partitions.
[08:56] <ramai> Hi, does anybody know if there is a progam for linux like power dvd fo windows?
[08:56] <ali4728> # apt-get install php4   / message: E: Couldn't find package
[08:56] <ali4728> What is the correct command to install php (the version which works with mysql) I get the following Error when I try!!!
[08:57] <amonkey> fator_dee: ssh access only
[08:57] <metalsand> djm62: Yep, everything's been an uphill struggle in Linux. But I already apprciate it a lot
[08:57] <elcu> BiSON: i'm not sure if you want extra partitions though
[08:57] <topyli> snugglebunny, LinuxJones, rhythmbox is nice. and totem is OK. i'd like to have just one app
[08:57] <metalsand> That's why I'm so devoted :P
[08:57] <topyli> like mplayer
[08:57] <dark> anyone see breakage on gnome from breezy updates around last night?
[08:57] <metalsand> XMMS is a nice audio player
[08:57] <djm62> metalsand: when it works, it works...when it doesn't work, it can be a right little bugger
[08:57] <snugglebunny> topyli, There is no good single system. Totem is nice for vid and rhythm is nice for audio
[08:57] <elcu> shadeofgrey: i was told to switch to the xine version
[08:57] <eruin> ali4728: eruin@lorien:~ $ sudo apt-get install php4 -> php4 is already the latest version.
[08:57] <topyli> snugglebunny: yeah, so far i've settled for them
[08:57] <snugglebunny> I think one of the biggest problems atm is the lack of relationship between media files and programs and a cohesive library system
[08:57] <Jibby> anyone know why when i use gxine the audio/video is outta sync?
[08:57] <amonkey> fator_dee: it's a server on a fat ass pipe, and i want to torrent off of it. i couldn't access the azureus interface, but i'm using torrentflux but the upload rate is dismal. much the same as it would be if i didn't have my nat setup right
[08:57] <metalsand> XMMS doesn't need a plugin installed :P
[08:57] <amonkey> so i think the port is blocked
[08:58] <BiSON> elcu, i can delete the patitions and make 2 parts, one for the windows and the other for ubuntu ,, how is that ?
[08:58] <metalsand> djm62: I'm not done am I? :P
[08:58] <snugglebunny> topyli, All that needs to happen is for a library system to be integreated into totem
[08:58] <drcode> hi all
[08:58] <snugglebunny> Hmm I do have some free time this summer
[08:58] <topyli> metalsand: xmms was nice 10 years ago. almost anything has a better interface than xmms these days :)
[08:58] <elcu> BiSON: yes, that would work, although technically ubuntu usually takes another partition when you select it to automatically allocate the free space.
[08:58] <drcode> in cygwin I Use xwin to connect to linux
[08:59] <Fator_Dee> amonkey: if he set the firewall with firestarter it would be easy to open a port
[08:59] <drcode> in linux how I Can connect to other linux?
[08:59] <paulproteus> topyli: beep-media-player > xmms
[08:59] <BiSON> elcu, ok thanks dude
[08:59] <LinuxJones> topyli, I don't know if there is a one size fits all media player for Linux that does everything
[08:59] <paulproteus> metalsand: beep-media-player > xmms
[08:59] <elcu> BiSON: you can resize the windows partition by selecting the size part in the installer IIRC, hoary.
[08:59] <snugglebunny> most things > xmms
[08:59] <ivoks> drcode in many ways :)
[08:59] <djm62> metalsand: ok
[08:59] <Fator_Dee> amonkey: I'd suggest you ask the guy who set up your box to help out, that would be the easiest way
[08:59] <eruin> rhythmbox 0.9 > all
[08:59] <paulproteus> It's a drop-in replacement for XMMS using GTK 2.
[08:59] <drcode> I want to use xdcm
[08:59] <paulproteus> eruin: quodlibet > rhythmbox
[08:59] <paulproteus> :)
[08:59] <drcode> or somthing
[08:59] <eruin> paulproteus: hahaha
[08:59] <drcode> not vnc
[08:59] <topyli> LinuxJones: mplayer, but it has a horrible interface too
[08:59] <ivoks> drcode and vnc
[08:59] <paulproteus> Rhythmbox is really high latency for me.  Quod Libet is very smooth.
 I get the error # apt-get install php4   / message: E: Couldn't find package
[09:00] <metalsand> djm62: Ok?
[09:00] <paulproteus> eruin: What's so funny?
[09:00] <eruin> if a media player can't do automatic playlists and burn audi cds, then it sucks imo
[09:00] <ivoks> paulproteus quodlibet rocks
[09:00] <djm62> metalsand: cd /usr/src
[09:00] <snugglebunny> the real problem is that rhythmplayer is the best of a bad bunch and still doesn't really fufil its aims
[09:00] <anathema> is there a way to make all files in a dir all lower case?
[09:00] <paulproteus> snugglebunny: No, but quod libet does! :)
[09:00] <anathema> they are upper case now
[09:00] <metalsand> Okay
[09:00] <snugglebunny> paulproteus, I'll check it out
[09:00] <ivoks> eruin rhythmbox sucks :p
[09:00] <ivoks> :))
[09:00] <eruin> ivoks: what version+
[09:00] <drcode> I mean not vnc
[09:00] <eruin> you're all rhythmbox 0.8 nubs :P
[09:00] <drcode> like I do in cygwin with xwin
[09:00] <ivoks> eruin yours
[09:00] <paulproteus> drcode: ssh -X ?
[09:00] <ivoks> eruin development version
[09:01] <djm62> metalsand: and ln -s <your linux headers> linux
[09:01] <eruin> ivoks: what branch?
[09:01] <ivoks> can't rename tags
[09:01] <drcode> it will connect to my x server?
[09:01] <drcode> like I do in xwin?
[09:01] <ivoks> eruin that one i d/w from you
[09:01] <metalsand> How do I find out which linux headers I have
[09:01] <djm62> metalsand: putting sudo before that
[09:01] <eruin> ivoks: enable it when you build then
[09:01] <eruin> sheesh
[09:01] <djm62> metalsand: cd /usr/src then type ls
[09:01] <jedipottsy> how do i install skype?
[09:01] <ivoks> eruin i did, but i doesn't listen to me
[09:01] <eruin> then you didn't ;)
[09:01] <metalsand> I have 2 versions  :-x
[09:01] <ivoks> did
[09:01] <jedipottsy> i have downloaded the deb file
[09:01] <djm62> metalsand: the one with your processor in
[09:01] <ivoks> :p
[09:01] <AirWays> How I can install .deb package?
[09:01] <ivoks> :))
[09:01] <metalsand> One matches my kernal
[09:01] <Fator_Dee> AirWays: sudo dpkg -i debfile.deb
[09:01] <LinuxJones> AirWays, dpkg -i packaename.deb
[09:02] <djm62> metalsand: what are they?
[09:02] <forsaker8k6> hi guys
[09:02] <AirWays> Thaks
[09:02] <metalsand> linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[09:02] <metalsand> linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686
[09:02] <LinuxJones> forsaker8k6, hi
[09:02] <BiSON> AirWays, sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[09:02] <djm62> metalsand: the one with 686 in
[09:02] <eruin> the latter package should fetch the first
[09:02] <metalsand> Okay, dj
[09:02] <metalsand> I ran the cmd :)
[09:03] <thenewlax> anyone get any problems with there soundcard not working all of a sudden. A box popped up that said: Please Check that your soundcard is configured properly, u have the correct output plugin selected and no other program is blocking the sound card
[09:03] <snugglebunny> paulproteus, it looks very nice. But I'll wait till it's past 0.1
[09:04] <paulproteus> snugglebunny: I use it every day, and it's really a refreshingly good program.
[09:04] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, run gstreamer-properties and play around with the default output sink
[09:04] <paulproteus> I happen to have had good experiences with this developer before; his name is Joe Wreschnig.  But anyway, up to you.
[09:04] <forsaker8k6> people, i would like to give breezy a try.. any good reason for not doing it? (i have an amd64 system)
[09:04] <DanglyBits> i just bought some new digital headphone/mic combo..how can i check to see is ubuntu sound is setup correctly?
[09:04] <metalsand> djm62: Next step?
[09:04] <DanglyBits> usb headphone/mic combo
[09:05] <snugglebunny> paulproteus, I tend to be wary about playing around on a system which is working perfectly
[09:05] <djm62> metalsand: made the link?
[09:05] <snugglebunny> or as near to perfect as computers get
[09:05] <metalsand> djm62: Yes
[09:05] <hans_> how is the performance of the nvidia drivers for linux?
[09:05] <thenewlax> none of them work
[09:05] <thenewlax> WTF
[09:06] <forsaker8k6> hans_, cannot complain about
[09:06] <eruin> haich: great
[09:06] <hans_> better than the ati drivers?
[09:06] <eruin> hans_ even
[09:06] <eruin> yes
[09:06] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, do you know if you were running the alsa drivers ?
[09:06] <djm62> metalsand: now, go to the modules/hostap directory
[09:06] <Gabriel> Fator_Dee, well finally I need libdvdcss on my ppc to read DVD
[09:06] <forsaker8k6> yes hans_
[09:06] <forsaker8k6> that is for sure
[09:06] <djm62> metalsand: sorry, chaos at home here ;)
[09:06] <thenewlax> right now in the gstreamer preferences it says i wasnrt
[09:07] <thenewlax> i was using ESD
[09:07] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, paste the output of lsmod to www.pastebin.ca then post the link to it here in irc
[09:07] <djm62> metalsand: then simply type "fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules"
[09:07] <aurax> hello
[09:07] <djm62> metalsand: and if it doesn't work, I'll consume ma chapeau
[09:07] <aurax> anyone knows a good printer+copier+scanner that works good under ubuntu ?
[09:08] <Amaranth> I've heard good things about HPs.
[09:08] <aurax> laser?
[09:08] <metalsand> djm62: I'm having trouble finding the right dir
[09:08] <snugglebunny> HP seem to have the best linux support
[09:08] <aurax> i saw lots, but none has nix compability
[09:08] <aurax> true
[09:08] <metalsand> modules/hostap-source/driver/modules/hostap_proc.c
[09:08] <aurax> you know any specific model ?
[09:08] <djm62> metalsand: you tar -xjvf-ed it in your home directory, right?
[09:08] <metalsand> I'm in /usr/src
[09:08] <metalsand> Yes, djm
[09:08] <djm62> metalsand: cd ~/modules/hostap
[09:09] <eruin> lol
[09:09] <thenewlax> http://pastebin.ca/11247
[09:09] <eruin> "output of lsmod"
[09:09] <eruin> :P
[09:09] <rhys-hynaws> I am having samba problems. Help?
[09:09] <eruin> haha
[09:09] <metalsand> eep
[09:09] <djm62> metalsand: cd ~/modules/hostap-source #even
[09:09] <eruin> thenewlax: you actually have to RUN the command lsmod
[09:09] <metalsand> okay
[09:09] <eruin> and paste the output
[09:09] <metalsand> I'm ther :)
[09:09] <metalsand> there
[09:09] <djm62> metalsand: you there...sweet
[09:09] <eruin> not type "output of lsmod" :P
[09:10] <metalsand> Now that I can't scroll up in IRSSI
[09:10] <thenewlax> ah
[09:10] <metalsand> what was that command :P
[09:10] <thenewlax> i see
[09:10] <djm62> metalsand: now type "fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules"
[09:10] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: page up & page down
[09:10] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, haha you have to type lsmod in gnome-terminal then paste the output of the command on pastebin.ca
[09:10] <thenewlax> i see
[09:10] <metalsand> done, djm62
[09:10] <thenewlax> lemme try
[09:10] <djm62> metalsand: nothing horrible happen?
[09:11] <Gabriel> is there any good multimedia repo for hoary ppc? I need libdvdcss
[09:11] <djm62> metalsand: if not, cd .. and type ls...ready to install ;)
[09:11] <ivoks> djm62 whatch out.. he will paste now :)
[09:11] <trygvebw> Gabriel, isn't that in Restricted or Multiverse?
[09:11] <djm62> metalsand: "cd .."
[09:11] <metalsand> Looks good
[09:11] <toby_> how can I get past su? installation never asked me for a root password O_o
[09:11] <trygvebw> toby_, Ubuntu uses sudo
[09:11] <djm62> toby_: there is not root
[09:12] <toby_> ohh
[09:12] <trygvebw> To run a command as root, type "sudo command"
[09:12] <ivoks> toby_ sudo -s
[09:12] <thenewlax> http://pastebin.ca/11248
[09:12] <thenewlax> there
[09:12] <toby_> heh, thanks :>
[09:12] <thenewlax> my bad
[09:12] <trygvebw> or type "sudo -i" to go into a root shell :)
[09:12] <rhys-hynaws> I am having samba problems. Help?
[09:12] <metalsand> hostap-modules-2.6.10-5-686_0.2.6-1_i386.deb  hostap-source
[09:12] <djm62> metalsand: you see the .deb file there...
[09:12] <tarzeau> someone play Bub-n-Bros.sf.net with me?
[09:12] <elcu> or run the root terminal from menu
[09:12] <metalsand> Looks good, djm62
[09:12] <metalsand> Yes, I see it
[09:12] <djm62> metalsand: dpkg -i nameofthatfile.deb
[09:12] <Gabriel> trygvebw, maybe not for PPC ?
[09:12] <djm62> metalsand: "sudo dpkg -i ...."
[09:13] <neofeed> anyone might help me trace down my printing issue?
[09:13] <metalsand> and it's off!
[09:13] <metalsand> alright, done.
[09:13] <djm62> ivoks: feeling manly?
[09:13] <jedipottsy> is there a free skypeout?
[09:13] <djm62> metalsand: I'm not sure what that has done to your hotplug scripts, but the modules are now correctly installed
[09:14] <ivoks> djm62 ? :)
[09:14] <djm62> metalsand: it was only about 5 commands really, 5 commands and a lot of worry
[09:14] <metalsand> Horray, so what did I just do now? :P
[09:14] <dominik_> does anybody know the irc chan of ubuntuusers.de ?
[09:14] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, do you have a SB Audigy card ?
[09:14] <ivoks> builded your first debian package :)
[09:14] <metalsand> Installed hostap-source
[09:14] <trygvebw> Gabriel, no idea
[09:14] <ivoks> metalsand builded your first debian package :)
[09:14] <metalsand> Which.... Will make my card hopefully work?
[09:14] <hybrid_goth> Gabriel: whats up
[09:14] <djm62> ivoks: I have to go feed my family...can you help him get hostap modules associated with his card if it hasn't happened automatically
[09:14] <LinuxJones> dominik_, join #ubuntu-de
[09:14] <hybrid_goth> ?
[09:14] <ivoks> djm62 i'll try
[09:15] <ivoks> metalsand ok... now do this
[09:15] <dominik_> thx
[09:15] <metalsand> Thanks djm62 ;)
[09:15] <ivoks> metalsand sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[09:15] <djm62> metalsand: almost certainly it will have your card working, but I must now go...best of british ;)
[09:15] <metalsand> You probably saved theday :P
[09:15] <thenewlax> i dunno
[09:15] <Gabriel> hybrid_goth, I need libdvdcss for my hoary ppc system
[09:15] <larsrohdin> how can I change the ownership of a fat32 dev?
[09:15] <thenewlax> this is the first time my audio hasnt worked
[09:15] <larsrohdin> sudo chown gives me Operation not permitted...
[09:15] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, ok do lspci -v and look for a multimedia/sound device and tell us the model or type of card
[09:15] <ivoks> metalsand try iwconfig to see if there is any card
[09:15] <trygvebw> ?
[09:15] <trygvebw> hm
[09:15] <xukun> Can I configure Gnupg to automatically fetch puplic keys as necessary? I think this comes in very handy with Mutt, as I won,t have to go and download and Import a key manualy in another terminal
[09:15] <metalsand> Okay, ivoks
[09:16] <trygvebw> larsrohdin, try "sudo -i" and command then
[09:16] <xukun> of topic I know
[09:16] <metalsand> wlan0 is there
[09:16] <metalsand> still
[09:16] <ivoks> metalsand now give me lsmod | grep prism
[09:16] <anathema> jesus metalsand, i would have given up so long ago
[09:16] <larsrohdin> trygvebw, /bin/chown: /bin/chown: cannot execute binary file
[09:16] <trygvebw> huh...
[09:16] <anathema> actually i probly wouldnt
[09:16] <anathema> haha
[09:16] <trygvebw> hm
[09:16] <metalsand> 4 lines of code, should I go to flood??
[09:16] <ivoks> metalsand give me on private
[09:16] <anathema> metalsand, easier to use pastebin
[09:17] <stuNNed> xukun: sure, edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf works for me in evolution
[09:17] <anathema> than flood
[09:17] <trygvebw> larsrohdin, try copying it somewhere chmoding it
[09:17] <trygvebw> and copying it back
[09:17] <thenewlax> Creative Labs SB Live!
[09:17] <larsrohdin> trygvebw, what?
[09:17] <thenewlax> 0000:00:14.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev  07)
[09:17] <thenewlax>         Subsystem: Creative Labs Gameport Joystick
[09:17] <thenewlax>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64
[09:17] <thenewlax>         I/O ports at fff0 [size=8] 
[09:17] <thenewlax>         Capabilities: <available only to root>
[09:17] <thenewlax> err everythin didnt paste
[09:17] <thenewlax> oh well
[09:17] <hyper> is it possible to change the portage source list on the ubuntu install cd?
[09:17] <toby_> does the "nv" driver use direct rendering?
[09:18] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, your modules look ok can upi try to play a music file, maybe your sound got muted or something in the volume control.
[09:18] <toby_> or do I need to use a different driver and/or change some xorg value?
[09:18] <thenewlax> thats the wierd part
[09:18] <thenewlax> it is fine
[09:18] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, they play but you can't hear them ?
[09:18] <thenewlax> whenever i try to raise the volume bar it goes back down to zero
[09:19] <thenewlax> whenever i play i get-check ur sound card, see if something is blocking it and if it is the correct outpt
[09:19] <stuNNed> thenewlax: i've had similar problems, remove the applet and recreate it
[09:19] <abarbaccia> anybody here use an ACX 111 chipset in their wlan card?
[09:19] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, ok right click the volume control and select properties. select the sound blaster card from the dropdown list
[09:19] <ali4728> Help Needed I updated / Upgraded my ubuntu but I can not install php - mysql module
[09:19] <ali4728> # apt-get php4-mysql Any idea thnx?
[09:20] <elbert> apt -get install .....
[09:20] <thenewlax> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[09:20] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, you probably have an onboard sound card in yoour motherboard that is messing things up
[09:21] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, try removing the applet and re-adding it as stuNNed suggested.
[09:21] <thenewlax> how do i do that.
[09:21] <thenewlax> remove from pannel
[09:21] <thenewlax> then add it back on?
[09:21] <stuNNed> yes
[09:21] <thenewlax> the volume control?
[09:21] <stuNNed> thenewlax: right click it, eys
[09:21] <stuNNed> yes*
[09:21] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, right click then delete applet then right click and click add to panel to add a new volume control
[09:21] <hyper> anyone knows how to edit the ubuntu install iso so its installs other packages?
[09:22] <hyper> than the orginial?
[09:22] <thenewlax> same problem
[09:22] <hyper> *original
[09:22] <thenewlax> whenever i rase the volume bar it literally goes right back down
[09:22] <jeroen_> hyper, you might like a net install or something; I don't think it's possible by editing ISOs
[09:22] <LinuxJones> hyper, you can re-master a new ubuntu .iso if you want search the wiki there is a howto
[09:22] <stuNNed> thenewlax: can you bring up a mixer?
[09:22] <hyper> thanks
[09:23] <thenewlax> it says no mixer elements or devices were found
[09:23] <thenewlax> and my speakers are plugged in
[09:23] <stuNNed> thenewlax: it's not finding your soundcard for some reason
[09:24] <thenewlax> yea is it possible for it to have been like burnt out or sumtin>
[09:24] <stuNNed> thenewlax: paste the output of lspci to www.pastebin.com then paste the link here
[09:25] <ivoks> ls
[09:25] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, shutdown your computer and try re-seating your soundcard in it's slot...maybe it has come loose or something wonky if you've moved or bumped it.
[09:25] <ali4728> Help Needed! Is there a php-mysql module to use with Ubuntu?
[09:25] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, his modules are all loaded ok
[09:25] <thenewlax> http://pastebin.ca/11249
[09:25] <thenewlax> ok well thanks guys
[09:26] <thenewlax> im gunna try that
[09:26] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, http://pastebin.ca/11248
[09:26] <thenewlax> ill be on later
[09:26] <LinuxJones> gl
[09:26] <thenewlax> thanks again
[09:26] <LinuxJones> ;)
[09:26] <stuNNed> LinuxJones: ah ok :)
[09:26] <stuNNed> LinuxJones: i'm wondering if it is a newer SBLive! that uses a different chip than snd-emu10k1
[09:26] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, I thought that the oss modules might have gotten loaded or something thus killing alsa
[09:27] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, I have a 6 year old sb live :)
[09:27] <stuNNed> LinuxJones: yes, some of the newer ones support has only recent been added :)
[09:27] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, what modules does it use ?
[09:27] <stuNNed> LinuxJones: a different chipset
[09:27] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, audigy2 ?
[09:27] <topyli> paulproteus: thanks for the quod libet hint. it looks really nice, and i'm building the debian source right now. moreover, it's tiny in size!
[09:28] <dockane> what password does ubuntu ask for, when is choose "application->system tools -> run as different user..->root / nautilus" ?
[09:28] <Fator_Dee> dockane: your password
[09:28] <stuNNed> LinuxJones: CA0108 for one
[09:28] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, ahhh
[09:29] <ali4728> Help Needed! Is there a php-mysql module to use with Ubuntu?
[09:29] <stuNNed> LinuxJones: sorry, ca0106 only recently been added in alsa 1.0.8 afaik
[09:30] <dockane> Fator_Dee, nope it does not accept my password. what i.e. if i choose run as 2nd_user, does ubuntu than ask for the 2nd_user's password ?
[09:30] <LinuxJones> ali4728, php4-mysql
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> dockane: it asks for that users password which you are trying to run it
 ali4728, php4-mysql / It does not install it !
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> dockane: so answer to your question would be yes
[09:31] <Boohbah> ali4728: did you read this? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo
[09:31] <LinuxJones> ali4728, you need to enable the universe repository
[09:32] <dockane> Fator_Dee, it does not accept my current user's password when i try it with root and it does neither with another user and his password. the complete function
[09:32] <dockane> does not work
[09:32] <jbmigel> dockane caps lock?
[09:33] <dockane> jbmigel, nope
 No I haven let me check that !
[09:33] <Fator_Dee> dockane: interesting...
[09:35] <dockane> Fator_Dee, changing with ctr+alt+f1 to bash and loggin in with 2nd_user works
[09:37] <Fator_Dee> dockane: I have absolutelu no idea what could be wrong
[09:38] <merry> i need help with setting um ubuntu
[09:38] <merry> up*
[09:39] <Echylo> shoot your question merry
[09:39] <Echylo> everyone needs help in here :)
[09:39] <dockane> have tried it on both hoary machines, i ve got here : "run as different user" does not accept any password; root does not work with current pass and another_user not with another_user's password. any idea  ?
[09:39] <angvp> hi'ya all
[09:40] <jbmigel> dockane try "sudo passwd root" in console and try to reset root pass??
[09:40] <merry> ok thx, do i need to format a new partition to install ubuntu or can i install it on my current windows partition?
[09:40] <merry> which is ntfs
[09:40] <hybrid_goth> merry; it woll write over it
[09:40] <hybrid_goth> **can
[09:41] <scapor> When I plig in my USB Stick on my fresh hoary install nothing happens, though when I run dmesg it says the device is attached .. what is wrong ?
[09:41] <jedipottsy> is there a ctrl+alt+del for windows?
[09:41] <ubuntu> hi
[09:41] <jedipottsy> is there a ctrl+alt+del for linux*?
[09:41] <^thehatsrule^> yes
[09:41] <ivoks> :)
[09:41] <shadeofgrey> whats the ubuntu equivelant to picassa?
[09:41] <ivoks> no
[09:41] <dockane> jbmigel, Thought ubuntu does only work with sudo and no root account ?
[09:41] <angvp> err no jedipottsy i guess not
[09:41] <jedipottsy> ok
[09:41] <vladster> I have a ky thunderbird, what version of mplayer do I use?
[09:41] <jedipottsy> how do i get my pen drive to work?
[09:41] <shadeofgrey> heres a better question...  whats the right program to use if  i want to open up 155 pictures all at once that average 3 meg apiece
[09:42] <jbmigel> dockane you can activate root account by setting the password... then you can use root to reset you other passwords and you should be able to login then
[09:42] <shadeofgrey> i have a gig and a half of ram
[09:42] <vladster> it should work right out of installation
[09:42] <scapor> shadeofgrey: f-spot ?
[09:42] <shadeofgrey> what the heck is f-spot?
[09:42] <jedipottsy> i plug it and nothing happens
[09:42] <Echylo> merry, it will format your current partition(ntfs) so you'll lose everything, you need to create a second partition to install it
[09:42] <scapor> shadeofgrey: a program for photo-management
[09:42] <Echylo> merry, or if you want to get rid of windows, just install it on that ntfs partition :P
[09:42] <scapor> jedipottsy: I have the same problem I think ..
[09:42] <ubuntu> hi i try ubuntu
[09:43] <ubuntu> and it works
[09:43] <jedipottsy> its usb 2.0
[09:43] <ubuntu> :)
[09:43] <Echylo> nice
[09:43] <dockane> jbmigel, i gave root a password (first time since i am using ubuntu). that's kind of confusing with root and sudo ?
[09:43] <merry> hmm and its impossible to create a new partition from a existing windows partition without deleting all right?
[09:43] <ubuntu> i go
[09:43] <dockane> jbmigel, now run as different user -> root works
[09:44] <Echylo> merry you can resize it with a program like partition magic and thus creating free space to create a new partition
[09:44] <Echylo> merry but that's on own risk, it never went right on this pc
[09:44] <jbmigel> dockane now you can "passwd username" to reset your first users name
[09:44] <jedipottsy> how do i change icons?
[09:44] <scapor> jedipottsy: http://art.gnome.org
[09:44] <jbmigel> *password
[09:45] <shadeofgrey> whats the apt-get name for f-spot
[09:45] <larsrohdin> how should the line in fstab look if i want to have have full read/write permissions for all users on a fat32 partition?
[09:45] <vladster> Is there a k7 kernel for ubuntu?
[09:45] <merry> thank you , ill try partition magic
[09:45] <Fator_Dee> shadeofgrey: you can search it with apt-cache search namehere
[09:46] <dockane> jbmigel, i don't need to recover any passwords. my aim is to run nautilus as a different user (to get access to his home directory)
[09:46] <shadeofgrey> f-spot worked
[09:46] <shadeofgrey> its installing now thanks guys!
[09:46] <topyli> vladster: use the k6 kernel
[09:47] <shadeofgrey> now how do i set it to automatically run when i plug in my camera.... hmmm...
[09:47] <shadeofgrey> thats the nicest feature of picassa
[09:47] <vladster> better?
[09:48] <vladster> There is a k7 version but I do not see a k6 for hoary
[09:48] <jbmigel> dockane so then open a  terminal and su to root then type nautilus as root
[09:48] <X7C> who knows how to playback a DVD from a folder on HD??
[09:49] <jedipottsy> ok so i downloaded the icon to desktop, what do i do now?
[09:49] <topyli> vladster: you're right. i got confused because i thought you couldn't find a k7 one :)
[09:49] <topyli> that's the one
[09:49] <jbmigel> dockane sorry i misunderstood your question at start... you could have just sudo nautilus at the start i suppose
[09:50] <jbmigel> dockane to re-disable your root login after type "sudo passwd -l root" so its back to how it was
[09:50] <larsrohdin> how should the line in fstab look if i want to have have full read/write permissions for all users on a fat32 partition?
[09:51] <St0n3-C0l> /dev/hdaX     /mnt/blah   vfat   auto,users,gid=users,umask=0000
[09:51] <jordanau> 0000
[09:51] <larsrohdin> St0n3-C0l, ok thanks
[09:51] <St0n3-C0l> np :)
[09:54] <ubuntu_guy> hi guys i just got my ubuntu apache server up...ive got a slackware server and im not sure how to setup my ubuntu server so that i have a public_html folder in my home directory
[09:54] <jedipottsy> what do i do once i have the bz2 icon package
[09:54] <ubuntu_guy> in the 000-default file in my /apache2 directory i changed document root /home/cirkit/public_html
[09:55] <petemc> ubuntu_guy: the default config should have stuff for ~/public_html
[09:55] <ubuntu_guy> the default was something like /var/www
[09:55] <ubuntu_guy> i should leave it at that?
[09:56] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy there is like 6 lines in the middle of /etc/apache2.conf that talk about UserDir just uncomment them and resart apache
[09:56] <petemc> no, that would be the default document root
[09:56] <ubuntu_guy> but i can change that right?
[09:56] <jedipottsy> what do i do once i have the bz2 icon package
[09:56] <jedipottsy> how do i install them?
[09:57] <ubuntu_guy> what is the default document root again?
[09:57] <wazquis> anyone know a way to share an evolution calendar with another person?
[09:57] <ubuntu_guy> ill change it back
[09:58] <larsrohdin> do i need fat32 LBA to be able to have really large files on a disc?
[09:59] <petemc> larsrohdin: fat32 cant have files over 4 gig
[09:59] <larsrohdin> petemc, but with LBA then?
[10:00] <petemc> no
[10:00] <petemc> thats for partition sizes over 132gig
[10:00] <jedipottsy> what command to get bmp?
[10:00] <jedipottsy> apt-get install bmp?
[10:00] <jordanau> jedipottsy, try it
[10:00] <larsrohdin> petemc, how can i see the size of a partition?
[10:00] <jedipottsy> couldnt find bmp
[10:01] <petemc> larsrohdin: df -h
[10:01] <neofeed> okay... I'm downgrading... what's the udev deal with breezy?
[10:01] <neofeed> what do I have to watch out for?
[10:01] <jordanau> jedipottsy, okay then aptitude search beep-media-player
[10:01] <neofeed> doing a downgrade from breezy -> hoary
[10:01] <petemc> neofeed: downgrading doesnt really work
[10:01] <larsrohdin> petemc, i have a 200 gig partition with fat32...
[10:01] <neofeed> so lets make it work :)
[10:01] <jedipottsy> nvm i used synaptic
[10:01] <Jamminpotato> breezy is all ready out?
[10:01] <petemc> larsrohdin: your point?
[10:01] <neofeed> Jamminpotato, no no no... don't listen to me!
[10:02] <Jamminpotato> oh ok
[10:02] <petemc> Jamminpotato: no, its in development, early development, stuff will likely break
[10:02] <neofeed> hmm so what's the things I need to look after. If everthing goes nuts I'll simply kill everything except my homedirectory and install 5.04
[10:02] <Jamminpotato> ahhh
[10:02] <Jamminpotato> ok
[10:02] <bretzel> Hello there :-)
[10:02] <larsrohdin> petemc, how is that possible then? if i need LBA for partitions bigger th
[10:02] <neofeed> petemc, stuff is broken... :P
[10:02] <larsrohdin> than 132 gig?
[10:03] <petemc> larsrohdin: your bios supports it, and linux has supported it for a long time
[10:03] <ubuntu_guy> what do we change so that we reflect a public_html in the home directory?
[10:03] <larsrohdin> petemc, ok...
[10:03] <vladster> should I get the headers as well?
[10:03] <neofeed> ubuntu_guy, apache conf
[10:04] <ubuntu_guy> apache2.conf ?
[10:04] <petemc> ubuntu_guy: i shouldnt think anything, just mkdir public_html in your home dir and go to http://yourip/~username
[10:04] <bretzel> It is really funny: I switched my hdd from my P4 to my old Celeron computer and Ubuntu linux starts and configure the differents parts module for the other motherboard... Winxp also in that drive but totally screwed by the other hardware :-) :-)
[10:04] <nnonix> Having a problem where application launchers won't show icons. The icons are present and when viewing the properties of a launcher the icon is correctly selected, yet, I constantly get the error "failed to load image / icon not found"
[10:04] <ubuntu_guy> should i leave the server root as /etc/apache2 petemc ?
[10:05] <petemc> bretzel: winxp enounters a lot of different hardware and it wants you to contact ms to renew your license
[10:05] <petemc> ubuntu_guy: the document root should be /var/www/ , its entirely your choice
[10:06] <bretzel> petemc: WinXP screwed : it wont boot at all, it is not what I would call "license" -- no msg about that because it crashes :-)
[10:07] <larsrohdin> whats the command to copy a directory and all dirs in it?
[10:07] <wbeck85> @merry: it also possible to use a linux Live CD with gparted or qtparted (front ends for parted). It is a pretty simple program, free. Partition Magic is not free, i think.
[10:07] <petemc> bretzel: yeah, that can happen as well, tho you could probably boot in safe mode or some such and create a new hardware profile
[10:08] <nnonix> Ignore me - killall gnome-panel fixed it
[10:08] <bretzel> But: the xserver-xorg + nvidia-glx disabled because I need to reconfigure it : this card: Geforce 2mx , other ( p4 ) card: gfx 5200 thus need help reconfigure xorg with nvidia-glx...
[10:08] <bretzel> petemc: yeah, that is true tho. you are right about safe mode
[10:09] <ubuntu_guy> this doesnt make sense i made a public_html in my home directory but i cant see it from accessing my server
[10:10] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy did you uncomment the userdir stuff in apache2.conf?
[10:10] <ubuntu_guy> how far down is the userdir stuff
[10:10] <jbmigel> i dont know its in the middle just look for it
[10:11] <bretzel> petemc: the worse is that my WinXP license no more usable because I've installed WinXP ( on the same P4 ) over and over too often, I had to call M$ for an big serial #, i WILL HAVE TO DO IT NOW EVERY TIME i RE-INSTALL MY wINxp DAMNIT!
[10:11] <jedipottsy> how can i install doom 3?
[10:11] <vladster> what is the script tp get the nvidia driver correctly configured
[10:11] <jbmigel> jedipottsy do you have windows cd's?
[10:12] <jedipottsy> yeah i have windows cds
[10:12] <jbmigel> jedipottsy http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[10:12] <bretzel> What is the command to "reconfigure" the xserver-xorg to fit in another graph card ??
[10:12] <jbmigel> just install linux client then copy .pak's over...
[10:12] <ubuntu_guy> do you mean the Directory Index Index.html. index.cgi  index.pl  index.php section?
[10:12] <delire> bretzel: dpkg-reconfigure ...?
[10:12] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy no
[10:13] <topyli> bretzel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:13] <jedipottsy> ive looked on there but it just says demo or patch
[10:13] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy search for userdir
[10:13] <jedipottsy> is it the patch i need?
[10:13] <jbmigel> jedipottsy yeah its the patch install instructions
[10:13] <bretzel> delire: Ouahahahah! I did dpkg _space_ -reconfigure !! I thought it was a dpkg arg ! okay thanx you can laugh at me ! :-)
[10:13] <delire> bretzel: an easy mistake..
[10:14] <ztonzy> delire, :)
[10:14] <delire> hi ztonzy, how's it going.
[10:14] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy wait ya it is after that Directoryindex crap... leave the userdir is a module commented out but the next 6 uncomment them
[10:14] <ztonzy> delire, fine thanks...back to gnome...but maybe I already told you that...and also , tweaking my character I showed you before
[10:15] <orathon> hey all is there no replacement plugin for quicktime??? iam trying to install a plugin here but it dont exists for linux.........
[10:15] <bretzel> see you sooneeee ( I think I will also completely uninstall nvidia-glx first isn't a good advise to uninstall nv-glx first ?
[10:15] <delire> ztonzy: ahah great.
[10:15] <ubuntu_guy> i dont think i have a user dir
[10:15] <ubuntu_guy> its not in my apache2.conf file
[10:16] <ubuntu_guy> i only see user www-data and group www-data
[10:16] <ztonzy> delire, I can show a bit later when I have done some nice updates
[10:16] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy it was right after that DirectoryIndex crap you asked about
[10:16] <delire> ztonzy: yeah do that.. i'd be interested
[10:17] <ztonzy> delire, great! :D    I also bought & watched "The Incredibles" DVD today
[10:17] <orathon> is there a replacement plugin for quicktime?????? iam trying to watch a trailer but i cant becuase the plugin dont exist for linux... help?????
[10:17] <Sadist> orathon: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:17] <ubuntu_guy> #userDir is now a module, #userDIr public_html, userdir disabled root
[10:17] <petemc> orathon: lose the question marks, theres a quicktime codec in w32codecs
[10:17] <ubuntu_guy> thats all there
[10:17] <raiz> Does anybody know where I can get multiverse?
[10:17] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy ya thats it!
[10:17] <jedipottsy> orathon, http://heroinewarrior.com/quicktime.php3
[10:18] <Sadist> raiz: same url
[10:18] <Sadist> raiz: read the guide
[10:18] <jedipottsy> orathon, and then just convert rpm to deb
[10:18] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy leave the "userdir is a module" line commented out thats an actual comment... the other 6 lines delete the leading "#"
[10:18] <delire> orathon: it does exist. mozilla-plugin-vlc or the mplayer equivalent
[10:18] <raiz> Same url?
[10:18] <Sadist> raiz: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:18] <raiz> Ok...
[10:18] <delire> ztonzy: and how was it?
[10:18] <raiz> Thanks...
[10:18] <ubuntu_guy> 6 lines?
[10:19] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy ya the userdir public_html, userdir disabled root and then the 4 line directory definition right after that
[10:20] <ztonzy> delire, damn funny :)
[10:20] <ztonzy> delire, now I know why character shall not have a cape ;)
[10:20] <delire> ztonzy: i'm considering buying a tv card, somewhat out-of-the-media-loop lately.
[10:20] <ubuntu_guy> ok i did that now
[10:20] <ztonzy> why my*
[10:20] <delire> ztonzy: ahah ;)
[10:20] <ubuntu_guy> i have public_html in my home directory
[10:21] <ztonzy> delire, tv card ?
[10:21] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy now after apache restart you can access your users /home/username/public_html file by browsing to http://servername/~username
[10:21] <delire> ztonzy: yes, for my laptop. so i can watch TV on my box.
[10:21] <ztonzy> I bought a dvd disc, but then with a tv card you can hook up tv channels on the monitor
[10:21] <ztonzy> hehe yes
[10:21] <delire> ztonzy s/box/computer
[10:21] <ubuntu_guy> is it apachectl restart?
[10:21] <ztonzy> delire, my brother did that today, pinnacle
[10:21] <ztonzy> one of the cheaper ones
[10:22] <ztonzy> 400 SEK
[10:22] <delire> ztonzy: hmm.. well many seem to be perfectly linux compatible.
[10:22] <Sadist> ppl where i can fing ubuntu's kernel config ?
[10:22] <ztonzy> about 42 EUR
[10:22] <jbmigel> sure
[10:22] <delire> ztonzy: what's the DKK to SEK these days?
[10:22] <ztonzy> delire, tell what which you get next time...I have also been thinking of it, even though I got tv less than 2 metres to the right ;)
[10:22] <ubuntu_guy> hmm
[10:22] <ubuntu_guy> how do i restart it?
[10:23] <jedipottsy> ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:23] <delire> Sadist: possibly in /boot/.config* ? if you have sources then /usr/src/$(uname -r)/.config
[10:23] <ztonzy> delire, about 1.25 I think  ( DKK more worth than SEK)
[10:23] <jedipottsy> how do i run this .run patch for doom 3?
[10:23] <delire> ztonzy: hmm..
[10:23] <Sadist> Delgul: i don't have ubuntu machine here, only debian sarge
[10:23] <Sadist> that's the problem :] 
[10:23] <ubuntu_guy> like to restart the apache server in ubuntu
[10:24] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy did apachectl restart not work??
[10:24] <jedipottsy> how do i run .run files?
[10:24] <Madeye> running install
[10:24] <Madeye> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[10:24] <Madeye> what i'm missing?
[10:24] <ubuntu_guy> no it didnt
[10:24] <Hans_de_Zwart> I am sorry if I do something stupid by just typing through people's conversations. This is my first ever IRC chat. Is it okay if I ask a question?
[10:24] <bretzel>  -- Tada! all done ( xserver-xorg + nvidia-glx  reconfigurations ) :-)
[10:24] <ubuntu_guy> whatttt
[10:24] <ubuntu_guy> command not found?
[10:25] <ubuntu_guy> apachectl restart
[10:25] <ubuntu_guy> hmm
[10:25] <ubuntu_guy> is it different on ubuntu?
[10:25] <delire> orathon: don't msg me. do this. 'apt-cache search mplayer mozilla plugin' if you want to find mplayer support for you mozilla compatible browser. if you want a player to invoke from the terminal then mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre7-0.0 is a good choice.
[10:25] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:25] <jedipottsy> how do i run .run files?
[10:25] <delire> ubuntu_guy: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:25] <delire> beaten to it
[10:26] <jbmigel> :P
[10:26] <delire> ;)
[10:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> delire maybe you can help me then?
[10:26] <ubuntu_guy> i did apache2ctl restart and got syntax error on line 208 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf : <directory> directive missing closing '>'
[10:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> It is possible to use ubuntu for a dual boot laptop
[10:26] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: no idea.. what's up
[10:26] <delire> of course
[10:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> straight from the disk?
[10:26] <bretzel> I thought this motherboard was broken because I did lots of stuff to it. but it apears that it was my old DVD-burner that caused the bios crash at boot. the old burner IS dead ( not used more than 2 months!)
[10:27] <jedipottsy> Hans_de_Zwart, yup, just make a partition via partition magic in windows
[10:27] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: with a boot menu, yes
[10:27] <Hans_de_Zwart> make a partition okay
[10:27] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy i think you deleted more than the "#" from that 4 line directory definition... go back and fix it
[10:27] <Hans_de_Zwart> how many GB
[10:27] <delire> bretzel: they're only getting worse too these days.
[10:27] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: how much do you have?
[10:27] <Hans_de_Zwart> right now about 30gb of free space
[10:28] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: i would say 4 GB would leave room enough for fun.
[10:28] <jedipottsy> how do i run .run files????
[10:28] <jbmigel> jedipottsy just click on it
[10:28] <Hans_de_Zwart> delire: okay then insert the disk at type what at the prompt?
[10:28] <Agrajag> chmod +x ./whatever.run && ./whatever.run
[10:28] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: plenty. go for 10GB in that case, and move in to Ubuntu ;)
[10:28] <jedipottsy> i open it and it says
[10:28] <bretzel> I've just bought a pioneer DVD ram double-layer that bunrs 8X DVD disc at 12.5x after 50% write done... this one is great!
[10:28] <Hans_de_Zwart> delire: okay 10GB is good too!
[10:29] <jedipottsy> gedit was not able to automatically detect the character coding. Please, check that you are not trying to open a binary file and try again selecting a character coding in the 'Open File...' (or 'Open Location') dialogue.
[10:29] <Agrajag> jedipottsy: do what I just told you
[10:29] <IRCMonkey> hello
[10:29] <Agrajag> You can't runa  non-executable file by clicking on it, jbmigel
[10:29] <quentin> oops
[10:29] <Agrajag> it has to be made executable first
[10:29] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: just boot it unless you want to supply boot paramaters that will define specific language settings.
[10:29] <ubuntu_guy> which one is suppose to have # ?
[10:30] <ubuntu_guy> i cant remember
[10:30] <jbmigel> agrajag i get a dialog with "display" or "run in terminal" options so i think you can
[10:30] <Hans_de_Zwart> delire: it will give me the proper options? I understand it is not a GUI
[10:30] <ubuntu_guy> userdir public_html and disabled root dont have the #
[10:30] <Agrajag> jbmigel: only if it's already been made executable.
[10:30] <Agrajag> You have to chmod it first.
[10:30] <IRCMonkey> harddisk crash need to recover english project, how do I use CD to reinstall without format?
[10:30] <jbmigel> agrajag ya if its not already this is true
[10:30] <ubuntu_guy> <directory /home/cirkit/public_html dont have the #
[10:30] <bretzel> Warning there will be flood - about kdelibs ( kubuntu, kde-3.4) fails to update: (okay?)
[10:31] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: yes it's pretty intuitive despite not being a GUI as such. back up your data, partition and then hang around in here while you go through the process..
[10:31] <bretzel> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_40x1,969c80000006fp-8883.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  tentative de remplacement de /usr/share/icons/default.kde, qui appartient aussi au paquet knetworkconf
[10:31] <NickVara> Hello... I have a couple of questions... I'm running Ubuntu on a dual-boot Dell Inspiron 9100 laptop (with WinXP Pro)...   a) Is there a way to see my Windows C:\ drive from Linux  (formatted using NTFS)  b) How do I get my wireless card working (having to run the cable 40 feet to my living room is a bit annoying)...
[10:31] <bretzel> oops ( in french sorry - but I think you can understand the error tho)
[10:31] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy its like html tags ok... so the <DIRECTORY BLAHBLAH> and then </DIRECTORY> lines should both have "<" AND ">" THERE EH?
[10:31] <Encephalon> NickVara : mount -t ntfs /dev/hdx /mnt/NAME_OF_MOUNT_POINT
[10:32] <Encephalon> hdx is your Winxp hard drive partition
[10:32] <Encephalon> Mount point is a folder in /mnt
[10:32] <delire> NickVara: which wireless card?
[10:32] <bretzel> What I see is that really unimportant files can broke deb pkg managements, that is sad because deb is so powerfull
[10:32] <Hans_de_Zwart> delire: thank you very much. I feel like I will need to read some documentation, but you have given me enough confidence to just do the plunge. I am used to Fedora Core, but for some reason Ubuntu is giving me a nice vibe (this chat included) and I look forward to trying it tomorrow. Thanks for now! :)
[10:32] <NickVara> delire: Dell Wireless WLan 1450 Dual Band
[10:32] <jedipottsy> it says no write permission to /usr/local/games/
[10:33] <jedipottsy> how do i get permission?
[10:33] <delire> Hans_de_Zwart: anytime! take you time and feel free to ask as many questions as required.
[10:33] <Hans_de_Zwart> delire: thanks & bye!
[10:33] <jbmigel> jedipottsy try running as root or sudo or something
[10:33] <jedipottsy> ran as sudo
[10:33] <jedipottsy> should i do in the root terminal?
[10:34] <NickVara> Encephalon: is "hdx" a literal, or do I need to replace it with something.
[10:34] <jbmigel> jedipottsy you sudo'd it and it said you dont have permissions?
[10:34] <delire> NickVara: i'm not familiar with that card but i know it is supported.
[10:34] <jedipottsy> yeah
[10:34] <jedipottsy> sudo
[10:34] <roben> how do I check which version I got of java for firefox?
[10:34] <cyphase> hey everyone
[10:35] <jedipottsy> sudo chmod +x ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286.x86.run && ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286.x86.run
[10:35] <jedipottsy>  - and still said i dont have permission
[10:35] <jbmigel> jedipottsy weird... maybe try in root terminal ya
[10:35] <jedipottsy> ok worked in root terminal
[10:35] <raiz>  Depends: java-common but it is not installable
[10:35] <raiz> What does that mean?
[10:35] <Sadist> raiz: install java from sun
[10:35] <jbmigel> jedipottsy i should warn you that d00m3 crashes my system every time i play it... save often ;)
[10:36] <Sadist> raiz: in the same guide read how
[10:36] <delire> jedipottsy: sudo chmod +x ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286.x86.run && sudo ./doom3-linux-1.1.1286.x86.run
[10:36] <raiz> I'm trying... <_<
[10:36] <raiz> I did read the guid...
[10:36] <delire> jedipottsy: the second sudo required as you're installing ;)
[10:36] <raiz> and it doesn't work.
[10:36] <raiz> I was in sudo -s the whole time
[10:37] <raiz> It also says that java has no installation canidate.
[10:37] <roben> has anyone in here got  http://www.hushmail.com to work proper? sorry for my bad english.
[10:37] <delire> jbmigel: also here on my 64mb radeon 9700 laptop, albeit X alone. on a 128mb 9800 debian box at work it's a beautiful thing.
[10:37] <jedipottsy> ok so i done that installer thing, now what do i have to copy from the disc?
[10:38] <ubuntu_guy> ok i uninstalled apache but now when reinstalling it with apt-get i dont have apache2 in /etc
[10:38] <delire> jedipottsy: all the pak files
[10:38] <jedipottsy> how, it wont allow me to copy the files
[10:38] <jedipottsy> root terminal then some command?
[10:38] <jbmigel> delire ya it's only x that dies but i still have to reboot to recover... 9600pro is the suc
[10:39] <delire> jedipottsy: if you are copying/moving/renaming/manipulating anything outside of ~/ then yes.
[10:39] <raiz> Does anybody here recognize those errors... or how to fix them?
[10:39] <jedipottsy> ok, whats command for copy?
[10:39] <delire> jbmigel: disappointing really isn't it.
[10:39] <vladster> is there a was besides lsmod to see if the nvidia-glx driver is working>?
[10:39] <delire> jedipottsy: cp
[10:39] <delire> vladster: glxinfo  | grep direct
[10:39] <resiak> glxgears!
[10:40] <jbmigel> delire i was happy that they made a client so it works at all, I spent last night trying to get fallout2 running in wine and that was way more frustrating
[10:40] <jedipottsy> so sudo cp /cdrom1/setup/data/base/pk002.pk4 /usr/local/games/doom3/base/    ?
[10:40] <ubuntu_guy> what can i do if i dont have a /etc/apache2?
[10:40] <jedipottsy> sudo cp /cdrom1/setup/data/base/pk002.pk4 sudo /usr/local/games/doom3/base/ *
[10:40] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy lol did you delete it now or what?
[10:40] <cecilia46cecilia> alguien habla castellano?
[10:40] <ubuntu_guy> yea
[10:41] <ubuntu_guy> apt-get remove apache2
[10:41] <topyli> jedipottsy: the first seems more correct
[10:41] <jbmigel> ubuntu_guy you can prolly reinstall apache and get it back
[10:41] <ubuntu_guy> i tried
[10:41] <ubuntu_guy> i dont see it back
[10:41] <delire> jedipottsy: i would 'sudo cp /cdrom1/setup/data/base/*.pk4 /usr/local/games/doom3/base/'
[10:41] <resiak> cecilia46cecilia: #ubuntu-es
[10:41] <cecilia46cecilia> gracias
[10:41] <delire> jedipottsy: it's just one command, so just one 'sudo'
[10:42] <delire> jedipottsy: the '*' 'wildcard' will copy all .pk4's to the destination directory
[10:42] <vladster> It is not doing direct rendering
[10:42] <delire> vladster: try restarting X
[10:42] <vladster> Mesa GLX indirect
[10:42] <jedipottsy> it says  cp /cdrom1/setup/data/base/*.pk4 /usr/local/games/doom3/base/
[10:42] <jedipottsy> cp: cannot stat `/cdrom1/setup/data/base/pk002.pk4': No such file or directory
[10:42] <delire> vladster: infact that's essential to do before diagnosis
[10:42] <_j_a_v_i_e_r_> FORO http://qbert.iconrate.net/ FORO
[10:43] <roben> hi everyone.
[10:43] <ztonzy> delire, sorry , been away for a few minutes...had some troubles over at elYsiun :-\
[10:43] <roben> anyone who could help me?
[10:43] <topyli> jedipottsy: is your cdrom really /cdrom1 ?
[10:43] <ztonzy> delire, fixed now :>
[10:43] <jbmigel> jedipottsy maybe your cdrom is at /media/cdrom??
[10:43] <delire> jedipottsy: 'ls -l /cdrom1/setup/data/base/' and see what's there.
[10:43] <resiak> roben: If you ask a question, then maybe.
[10:43] <delire> ztonzy: good..
[10:43] <_j_a_v_i_e_r_> FORO http://qbert.iconrate.net/ FORO
[10:43] <ubuntu_guy> jbmigel, you know where I can get a apache2?
[10:44] <roben> resiak: I need help with Java. I've installed it with the help from the ubuntuguide.
[10:44] <jedipottsy> ls -l /media/cdrom1/setup/data/base/
[10:44] <jedipottsy> total 408098
[10:44] <jedipottsy> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root root    953718 2004-07-09 00:55 game00.pk4
[10:44] <jedipottsy> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root root 416937674 2004-07-08 06:28 pak002.pk4
[10:44] <delire> ztonzy: i have to go. 30 students to teach tomorrow..
[10:44] <roben> Resiak: but it does'nt seem to work proper.
[10:44] <resiak> roben: Don't ask me, I have no clue. Just ask your question of the channel. And define "doesn't work proper".
[10:44] <ztonzy> delire, a user that annoyed other, spammed and hijicking other threads
[10:44] <ztonzy> delire, oh ! :)  have a nice time...see you
[10:45] <jedipottsy> ok i got it
[10:45] <delire> ztonzy: see you too. keep up the good work at elysiun. my students are hanging out there this week ;)
[10:45] <vladster> now it says GLX missing on display
[10:45] <ztonzy> delire, ;)
[10:45] <jedipottsy> thnx
[10:45] <vladster> Xorg was never a smooth transistion for me
[10:46] <jedipottsy> how will i know when its done copying?
[10:46] <topyli> roben: what are you trying to do, and how are you failing?
[10:46] <roben> I've followed he instructions on Ubuntuguide on howto install Java for firefox. And still, when I try to access my hushmail, it says that I don't have Java installed. What is the problem? Oh, and when I access the preferens dialog in firefox Java is enabled. anyone who knows?
[10:48] <topyli> roben: in the firefox addres bar, type "about:plugins" and press enter
[10:48] <ubuntu_guy> damnnnnn
[10:48] <ubuntu_guy> i reinstalled apache2 but i dont have a /etc/apache2!
[10:48] <topyli> roben: is there a java plugin?
[10:48] <roben> no
[10:49] <ubuntu_guy> anyone got some suggestions?
[10:49] <gilvi> hola
[10:49] <gilvi> que tal
[10:49] <roben> topyli: then it's not installed right?
[10:49] <topyli> it's not
[10:49] <gilvi> alguno que hable espaol
[10:49] <gilvi> jejeje
[10:49] <topyli> roben: i'll see what the guide says so i'll know what you've done :)
[10:50] <roben> topyli:  :) thank you!
[10:50] <raiz> Ok, I have multiverse, universe, security, archive, java and javadebian, and ubuntujava all in my sources list...  Why does it give me errors like "Some packages have not been installed.  This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation..."  And the other, "E:Package java-common has no installation candidate".
[10:50] <jedipottsy> whats some good games for linux - ie non cedega games
[10:50] <orathon> hmm how do i remove konquer??
[10:50] <vladster> ok, is there something I need to load in modules that I could be missing?
[10:50] <Boohbah> gilvi: que pasa muchacho?
[10:50] <djm62> gilvi: para ayuda en espanol, ve a #ubuntu-es
[10:50] <gilvi> aqui
[10:50] <gilvi> que he instalado este sistema operativo nuevo
[10:50] <gilvi> y estaba probando cosillas
[10:50] <djm62> jedipottsy: I like frozen-bubble and tuxkart
[10:51] <djm62> jedipottsy: and doom3, quake3 and some others have linux versions
[10:51] <goinup> hi -- can someone please provide advice on how to apply this mod_dav patch i am getting an error on line 3.. i don't know if i am applying the patch correctly. i am doing patch --dry-run -i file_name.patch .. here is the link to the patch http://www.tnpi.biz/computing/mac/tips/idisk/dav-diskfree.patch thanks
[10:51] <gilvi> Boohbah y tu que cuentas
[10:51] <jedipottsy> quake 3?
[10:51] <jedipottsy> damn i think i lost that disc
[10:51] <djm62> jedipottsy: quake 3 arena has native linux
[10:51] <topyli> roben: if you type "which java" in a terminal, does it print "/usr/bin/java"?
[10:51] <_chavo> jedipottsy, enemy territory is nice and free.
[10:51] <jedipottsy> hmm
[10:52] <jedipottsy> how about hl2? cedega?
[10:52] <djm62> jedipottsy: I've played it but I don't know the ins and outs
[10:52] <_chavo> played it for the first time yesterday
[10:52] <_chavo> yes hl2 works with cedega
[10:52] <jedipottsy> damn
[10:52] <_chavo> and cs:s of course
[10:52] <jedipottsy> i aint got a credit card - so i cant get cedega
[10:52] <roben> topyli: no
[10:52] <resiak> jedipottsy: Google for cvscedega
[10:52] <Boohbah> jedipottsy: i hear hl2 runs in cedega, but very slowly
[10:52] <roben> topyli: i think i have to reinstall everything.
[10:53] <jedipottsy> cvscedega?
[10:53] <Fish-Face> Hi, is gimp-2.2.6 in any of the hoary repos?
[10:53] <_chavo> hl2 runs perfectly for me in cedega.
[10:53] <raiz> can anybody help me get java installed?  I've read the guids, bit I'm getting errors that they don't talk about.
[10:53] <_chavo> cvs cedega won't run hl2
[10:53] <bretzel> oops: Q: I need to change my hostname: it is "felix".something.something... but I need to set it up to other name than "felix" such "www."something.something...  because my P4 is "felix" how do I do that in Ubuntu
[10:53] <NickVara> Hello again, I'm still trying to mount my Windows C drive, and I now get the following error message: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/WindowsC
[10:53] <NickVara> mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /mnt/WindowsC busy
[10:53] <djm62> bretzel: /etc/hostname
[10:53] <synd> hey is there any prog out there that can display caller ID onto ubuntu?
[10:54] <_chavo> unreal tournament also has a linux native binary.
[10:54] <jedipottsy> cvscedega free? work with city of heroes and hl2?
[10:54] <topyli> roben: let's see if java is there somewhere first. do "ls /usr/java"
[10:54] <bretzel> djm62: no, hostname file is auto update suring bootup. it is a dhcp client.
[10:55] <djm62> bretzel: what are you trying to do?
[10:55] <gilvi> HOLA
[10:55] <gilvi> QUE TAL
[10:55] <seth_slackware> . . .
[10:55] <gilvi> ALGUIEN QUE HABLE ESPAOL
[10:55] <resiak> gilvi: #UBUNTU-ES !!!!!!!!!!! !!! !!! !!
[10:55] <synd> el caps lock is not cool
[10:55] <djm62> gilvi: #ubuntu-es
[10:56] <roben> topyli: no. it says it oesn't exist.
[10:56] <bretzel> i mean ip address is given by my router and my hostname is set manually  ( router's dhcp server  don't gives hostname "
[10:56] <Boohbah> oooh boon too eee ess!!
[10:56] <roben> topyli: but I got it in my homefolder.
[10:56] <gilvi> Rresiak q?
[10:56] <djm62> bretzel: so, change /etc/hostname, which is where the hostname gets read from
[10:56] <jedipottsy> choice 4? normal wine with d9 patches?
[10:56] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[10:56] <resiak> Ggilvi q?
[10:56] <raiz> gilvi, ve a #ubuntu-es
[10:56] <topyli> roben: sun's j2re-1.5?
[10:56] <gilvi> djm62 q?
[10:56] <resiak> gilvi: /j #ubuntu-es
[10:56] <LovingIt> Can anyone help me to get Rosegarden4 working in Ubuntu?
[10:56] <jedipottsy> or 2 PTATH_HEAD
[10:56] <djm62> gilvi: /join #ubuntu-es
[10:57] <[Phaedrus] > would i require the "essential codecs" of the mplayer package to install xmms and listen to some mp3s?
[10:57] <bretzel> djm62: okay, I thought /etc/hostname was set automatically at boot time ... sorry I'll do it tho
[10:57] <Fish-Face> I see that it's in breezy... But synaptic doesn't lest it
[10:57] <Fish-Face> list*
[10:57] <gilvi> para q
[10:57] <roben> topyli: jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586
[10:57] <djm62> para ayuda ubuntu en espanol, ve a #ubuntu-es
[10:57] <topyli> roben: ok. we might as well do it the "debian way" so you'll get a nice java package
[10:57] <gilvi> hola chavo
[10:58] <qmanman|away> [Phaedrus] :no
[10:58] <topyli> roben: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[10:58] <gilvi> ah
[10:58] <gilvi> y lo de # que es
[10:58] <gilvi> entro en internet en ubuntu.es no?
[10:58] <[Phaedrus] > qmanman|away: so, just xmms would contain the mp3 codec for it to read the files right?
[10:58] <djm62> gilve: no...type "/join #ubuntu-es"
[10:59] <qmanman|away> [Phaedrus] :just install the "xmms-mad" package
[10:59] <dockane> i had to copy a lot of sxw
[10:59] <JGL> Can someone help me? I need to change the filesystem of my root partition and I'm not sure how to approach this...
[10:59] <Boohbah> gilvi: en irc
[10:59] <djm62> JGL: to what?
[10:59] <kent> JGL, why do you need to change it?
[10:59] <[Phaedrus] > Question #2: does I use the essential codec packages to somehow work with TOTEM?
[10:59] <JGL> from reiser to ext3
[11:00] <[Phaedrus] > I am on a dialup and am trying to work with what i have and download the bare minimum
[11:00] <qmanman|away> [Phaedrus] :no totem is based on gstreamer
[11:00] <JGL> kent: i made the wtond choice of  FS
[11:00] <JGL> kent: wrong*
[11:00] <kent> [Phaedrus] , I use totem-xine  and the w32codecs.  It plays most movies for me.
[11:00] <qmanman|away> [Phaedrus] :you need to get gstreamer packages to make totem work with certain types of files
[11:00] <bretzel> ... and I need to know where in the rc.d scripts to laucnch vnc4server to export this computer's display: I will indeed use this computer from my other P4 computer -- Yet I miss some Xwindow experiences. I dunno if I have to startx before vnc4server ...
[11:00] <djm62> JGL: have you got a boot disk of some kind (although reiser is fine with ubuntu_
[11:01] <[Phaedrus] > argh...
[11:01] <JGL> jd: I have the hoary 5.04 around, any way to do this without?
[11:01] <[Phaedrus] > aight... let me get xmms working... and once that is up and running, i'll come back for more... life is horrible without a good inet connection
[11:01] <djm62> JGL: you can't resize a mounted partition, generally
[11:01] <roben> topyli: yes i do.
[11:01] <[Phaedrus] > thanks guys
[11:01] <LovingIt> Nobody got any advice? I cant seem to get alsaconf to work?
[11:02] <JGL> dj: so only with a boot disk?
[11:02] <djm62> JGL: you can burn a parted disk, or write a floppy with parted on
[11:02] <gilvi> ah
[11:02] <topyli> roben: so, install java-package and java-common
[11:02] <gilvi> y me sale ya para hablar en espaol
[11:02] <dockane> i had to copy a lot of .sxw files (OpenOffice) from a ntfs partition into a users home directory. what do i do with files with german umlaute where ubuntu says (invalid encodind) ?
[11:02] <djm62> JGL: if you have a separate /home partition you can boot into single user mode?
[11:02] <gilvi> para espaol dogo
[11:02] <roben> topyli: is there a command for that?
[11:03] <topyli> roben: apt-get install java-package java-common
[11:03] <[Phaedrus] > that is rough dockane... anything involving ntfs is rough
[11:03] <topyli> roben: sudo of course
[11:03] <JGL> dj: what would I do if i wanted to do this with a floppy?
[11:03] <bretzel> Talking about java ? --- I can't get java development pkgs install guide any more from ubunutguide, I also need those infos ( need JRE + JDK for exlipse to run as powerfull as I saw some months ago )
[11:04] <dockane> [Phaedrus] , ntfs is mounted read only. the problem is to copy them usable
[11:04] <roben> topyli: thank you very much!
[11:04] <shortcircuit> whare is the wine configuration file if i installed wine with apt?
[11:04] <topyli> roben: we're only beginning :)
[11:04] <djm62> JGL: 2 seconds...
[11:05] <topyli> roben: we will make a real java package with "java-package"
[11:05] <bretzel> topyli ?
[11:05] <ubuntu_guy> Ok anyone know how I can change this. I can only access my ubuntu server thru my ip...how can i change it so it reflects my ubuntu host name..the hostname is ubuntu.
[11:05] <NickVara> I'm trying to see my Windows C drive. When I run "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/WindowsC, i get an error:  mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /mnt/WindowsC busy
[11:05] <topyli> bretzel: yes, we're trying to build a debian package of j2re
[11:06] <djm62> dockane: can you use cp with a wild card, and a different name (including umlauts) at the other side?
[11:06] <petemc> ubuntu_guy: you need to set up an A record pointing to that ip
[11:06] <bretzel> topyli: :-)! Cool! and about JDK ? :-)
[11:06] <ubuntu_guy> petemc, A record?
[11:06] <_chavo> ubuntu_guy, put -> ip ubuntu <- in /etc/hosts
[11:06] <topyli> roben: do "sudo make-jpkg j2re_XXXXXXXXXXX.bin". replace the X's of course
[11:06] <topyli> bretzel: it's the same method
[11:07] <ubuntu_guy> so something like 353.343.53.643 ubuntu ?
[11:07] <ubuntu_guy> something like that?
[11:07] <roben> topyli: sorry for being a noob, but with what?
[11:07] <jedipottsy> YAY DOOM 3 WORKED
[11:07] <NickVara> Anyone???
[11:07] <topyli> roben: in the terminal, go to where you have the sun java package
[11:07] <jedipottsy> sound was a bit jumpy
[11:07] <JGL> dj: you with me on parted?
[11:07] <bretzel> topyli: Because I dunno where to point CLASSPATH into the jdk subdirs exactly ...
[11:07] <petemc> ubuntu_guy: what _chavo suggested will work for your local machine, for other people you need to set up dns
[11:07] <_chavo> NickVara, is it already mounted? run -> mount
[11:07] <jedipottsy> ne1 here got cedega? - is it negud?
[11:08] <ubuntu_guy> so once i set it to ip ubuntu what next?
[11:08] <topyli> roben: there, give the command "sudo make-jpkg j2re<whatever-your-java-package-is>.bin"
[11:08] <shortcircuit> where is the wine configuration file if i installed wine with apt?
[11:08] <djm62> JGL: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parted/bootdisk/
[11:08] <topyli> roben: it is a .bin file isn't it?
[11:08] <topyli> bretzel: java-package will take care of everything :)
[11:08] <NickVara> _chavo: No... it's not already mounted. I ran the mount command, and only /dev/hda2 is (which I'm assuming is where I installed Ubuntu)
[11:08] <ubuntu_guy> now it states ip ubuntu...in the httpd.conf file the servername would be ubuntu.homeip.net right?
[11:09] <JGL> djm62: this is for mounting on a floppy, right?
[11:09] <djm62> JGL: two boot disks, and it should be relatively easy if you plan what you're doing, write stuff down, and remember to type "help" or "?"
[11:09] <djm62> JGL: the README has instructions
[11:09] <djm62> JGL: it was a floppy you were after, yeah?
[11:09] <_chavo> NickVara, try running it as root.
[11:10] <JGL> djm62: I'm reading now, thanks...
[11:10] <NickVara> _chavo: I am. I'm in a root terminal.
[11:10] <roben> topyli: where should it be?
[11:10] <ubuntu_guy> it still connecting to my ip addy only
[11:10] <_chavo> alright
[11:10] <ubuntu_guy> i set /etc/hosts as ip ubuntu
[11:11] <ubuntu_guy> and changed the server name in the httpd.conf file as ubuntu.homeip.net
[11:11] <topyli> roben: the package you downloaded from sun? i don't know where you put it :)
[11:11] <bretzel> topyli: :-) I can wait tho. thanx , btw: I switched from to be a KDE-only user to GNOME-user because of Ubuntu! I can't stand the KDE env anymore :-) Yet I need lots of KDE apps but it fits so much well in gnome now :-)
[11:11] <[Phaedrus] > who on earth is sean parsons? anyone i should be aware of?
[11:11] <LovingIt> ubuntu_guy - do you know why alsaconf doesn't work in ubuntu?
[11:12] <topyli> roben: do this: in the terminal, type "sudo make-jpkg" and drag the file from the file manager into the terminal window. it's path and filename should appear at the end of your command line
[11:12] <orathon> how do i uninstall a program? :s
[11:12] <djm62> orathon: apt-get remove packagename
[11:12] <ubuntu_guy> alsaconf?
[11:13] <LovingIt> for configuring alsa
[11:13] <ubuntu_guy> My alsaconf doesnt work either
[11:14] <ubuntu_guy> alsamixer does though...
[11:14] <usual> anyone have a nextel?
[11:14] <ubuntu_guy> so i added ip ubuntu in my /etc/hosts but why does it still access the server thru my ip addy?
[11:14] <synd> hey is there any prog out there that can display caller ID onto ubuntu?
[11:15] <ompaul> synd, not a direct answer but something like asterix might be able to help you there
[11:16] <stevenj> has anyone tried the Milke theme (gnome look) - it is an amazing theme
[11:16] <synd> ompaul: asterix?
[11:16] <topyli> bretzel: you can probably just read the java-package docs from /usr/share/doc/java-package and you're rolling
[11:16] <ompaul> synd, a whole telephone system
[11:16] <topyli> bretzel: namely, the README.Debian file
[11:17] <cusco> paulproteus: I got it to work at the time.. I just needed to load the php module in httpd.conf
[11:17] <cusco> thanks
[11:17] <hunger> Am I the only one finding malone annoying to use? Or are the others just less prone to complaining on MaloneUniverseWishList?
[11:17] <stevenj> I have new icons for the volume control (widget?) in the gnome panel; however nothing I do with change the icon....any suggestion please?
[11:19] <JGL> djm62: I use these floppies to boot and then just run parted?
[11:19] <roben> topyli: now stuff is happening. I wrote the same command wrong like six times or something. really annoying ;)
[11:20] <topyli> roben: heh. it's going to take some time to build the package
[11:20] <topyli> then do "ls" and you'll find a new .deb package there
[11:22] <djm62> JGL hose floppies are parted
[11:22] <ppax> hi, anybody know of a good place to help on installing mono 1.1.7?
[11:22] <djm62> dohdohdoh
[11:23] <Seveas> ppax, mono 1.1.7 debs are available for breezy, the instructions on the mono website work for hoary
[11:23] <kev0r__> http://www.kev0r.nl/upload/ceedeetjes.jpg
[11:24] <Seveas> wtf
[11:24] <Seveas> kev0r, wanneer heb je die gehad?
[11:24] <eob84> has anyone gotten AAC support working in XMMS?
[11:25] <synd> eob84: i dont think its possible
[11:25] <ppax> is it possible to download breezy ?
[11:25] <kev0r> yesterday
[11:25] <djm62> is xmms virtually  unmaintained?
[11:25] <busfahrer> kev0r__: How long did you have to wait?
[11:25] <kev0r> 2 months :)
[11:25] <Seveas> ppax, yes, but not advisory
[11:25] <eob84> what do I use for AAC?
[11:25] <synd> eob84: i believe you have to convert your aac's to mp3 or aiff
[11:26] <synd> you can do it with iMovie
[11:26] <kev0r> they prolly ship soon, cuz Ubuntu waited for the new version before distributing the cd's again
[11:26] <kev0r> no need shipping old versions :)
[11:26] <g14> I don't use xmms, beep media player is much better
[11:26] <ppax> seveas where can i get it - only testing
[11:26] <Seveas> ppax from the apt repos
[11:27] <Seveas> there are no cd images as of now
[11:27] <eob84> I am tring beep
[11:27] <Seveas> beep rocks
[11:27] <Seveas> but you need to configure it first before it works :)
[11:27] <ppax> thanks
[11:27] <eob84> like??
[11:27] <eob84> how
[11:27] <Seveas> i had to set the output to esd
[11:27] <topyli> ppax: don't upgrade to breezy on your production box
[11:28] <eob84> how did you do that
[11:28] <Seveas> in ~/.bmp/config
[11:28] <tritium> ppax, I'd recommend waiting a bit on breezy
[11:28] <Seveas> there's a line starting with output_plugin
[11:28] <ppax> not a production box just a home machine - how stable is breezy ?
[11:28] <Seveas> that line should read
[11:29] <Seveas> ouput_plugin=/usr/lib/bmp/Output/libesdout.so
[11:29] <Seveas> unstable
[11:29] <topyli> ppax: how many machines do you have? if one, don't upgrade. if you can break one, go ahead
[11:29] <Seveas> and will be extremely unstable soon
[11:30] <eob84> is there a AAC plugin for beep?
[11:30] <roben> topyli: and then?
[11:31] <Fish-Face> Is anyone using ubuntu-backports?
[11:31] <Fish-Face> If so, what's a normal download speed?
[11:31] <ppax> ok thanks for advice - has anybody installed mono 1.1.7 on hoary its giving me  a lot of problems
[11:31] <topyli> roben: you have something like sun-j2re1.5_XXXX.deb there?
[11:31] <topyli> roben: do "dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_XXXX.deb"
[11:31] <roben> topyli: where?
[11:31] <tritium> Fish-Face, no, I don't recommend them.
[11:31] <topyli> roben: in the current directory. just do "ls" and see
[11:31] <jedipottsy> ne1 using cedega with city of heroes?
[11:32] <Fish-Face> tritium, why's that?
[11:32] <tritium> Fish-Face, they interfere with clean upgrades to new releases
[11:32] <thoreauputic> the gnome-settings-daemon refuses to start from my fluxbox startup script despite the fact it always did on warty, and despite the fact it starts quite happily if I invoke it manually after fluxbox starts.. Any ideas?
[11:32] <Fish-Face> tritium, really? The FAQ states that they fixed that
[11:32] <topyli> right right
[11:33] <tritium> Fish-Face, really.
[11:33] <topyli> Fish-Face: how do they know what breezy will have when it's time to upgrade?
[11:33] <Fish-Face> tritium, assuming it is a bad idea, is there a good way to keep up-to-date?
[11:33] <jedipottsy> ne1 using cedega with city of heroes???
[11:34] <tritium> Fish-Face, hoary isn't really out of date.  What are you wanting to update?
[11:34] <topyli> Fish-Face: hoary is so old you can't get your work done? :)
[11:34] <roben> topyli: a fault came when handling the package.
[11:34] <Fish-Face> topyli, the FAQ states they inserted a tilde into the version, which will force the use of other upgrades. I don't know how apt-get works, in that respect, though
[11:34] <topyli> roben: what does it say?
[11:34] <Fish-Face> tritium, specifically, gimp. Non-specifically, I like things up-to-date
[11:35] <djm62> mmm, minor version numbers...like the tail on a peacock
[11:35] <tritium> Fish-Face, there's a new release every 6 months...
[11:35] <roben> topyli: the file or catalog doesn't exist.
[11:35] <Fish-Face> tritium, of Ubuntu, you mean?
[11:35] <tritium> yes
[11:35] <Fish-Face> Hmm
[11:35] <topyli> roben: "dpkg -i" gives you that error?
[11:35] <tritium> Fish-Face, if you don't want to wait for breezy to be released, upgrade to it beforehand, and track its updates
[11:36] <tritium> But it's unstable at present
[11:36] <Fish-Face> tritium, apparently that's unadvisable... More so than backports
[11:36] <roben> topyli: no, "sudo dpkg -i"
[11:36] <tritium> Fish-Face, right now it is.  Backports are always unadvisable ;)
[11:36] <topyli> roben: ah, of course
[11:36] <topyli> roben: try "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[11:37] <djm62> hoary is the second most up-to-date linux distro atm
[11:37] <Fish-Face> djm62, what's the most?
[11:37] <djm62> suse 9.3 has mono and beagle..
gentoo is  the most up to date distor always :) </troll>
[11:37] <roben> topyli: that is what I did when the fault appeared.
[11:37] <djm62> and it costs money, and isn't as easy to keep updated
[11:37] <Fish-Face> Because FC3 has gimp 2.2.>2, firefox 1.0.>1 and so on
[11:37] <g14> Suse still has the best wireless support of any distro
[11:38] <Fish-Face> gl4: suse didn't support my card
[11:38] <djm62> g14: you find?
[11:38] <topyli> roben: if you "ls", is the file really there?
[11:38] <djm62> g14: suse is a damn good distro...but it doesn't quite do things my way
[11:38] <Fish-Face> And it didn't have gcc or kernel source, so I couldn't compile a driver...
[11:39] <roben> topyli: "roben@Obonto:~$ ls
[11:39] <roben> Desktop  Firefox_wallpaper.png  hda2  hda5  jre1.5.0_03  jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin  smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb  sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb  ubuntusetup.sh"
[11:39] <Fish-Face> Ah well... I shall have to pray that Ubuntu gets updates itself
[11:39] <g14> Well suse came with the madwifi, ndiswrapper, working bluetooth, the wireless-ng stuff and more way before any other distro. On top of that, it mostly worked
[11:39] <vladster> gnome will not start, I get an error about not reading the ICE authority file
[11:39] <topyli> roben: so, "sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb" really should work :\
[11:39] <djm62> Fish-Face: hoary gets security updates...you're free to use breezy, you're free to compile your own stuff, you're free to write your own software, you're free to make your own repository
[11:40] <djm62> Fish-Face: you're free to use gentoo, sid, or slackware, or even LFS
[11:40] <Fish-Face> djm62, woah, I'm not bashing Ubuntu
[11:40] <Fish-Face> djm62, I know what I can do when it comes to other stuff
[11:40] <djm62> Fish-Face: when you choose package management, you choose compromise, is all I'm saying, it's a good compromise for the most part
[11:41] <vladster> is there a fix for this?
[11:41] <Fish-Face> djm62, I also know that apt-get is probably the best package-management out there
[11:41] <g14> yes it is
[11:41] <roben> topyli: well guess. now it did :D !
[11:41] <Fish-Face> That doesn't mean that systems can't be improved ;-)
[11:41] <topyli> roben: well figure that :)
[11:41] <Fish-Face> Anyways, I guess I'll grab a .deb for gimp from somewhere
[11:42] <topyli> roben: now, do "which java"
[11:42] <djm62> Fish-Face: maybe you'd be best compiling it in /usr/local
[11:42] <djm62> Fish-Face: making it easy to remove when the official package arrives
[11:42] <topyli> roben: and "ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins"
[11:42] <Fish-Face> djm62, an official package will arrive?
[11:42] <topyli> roben: you should find stuff
[11:43] <djm62> Fish-Face: within 5 months, sooner if you go slightly early to breezy as it stabilises
[11:43] <Fish-Face> Ah
[11:43] <Fish-Face> Well... I assume it won't be difficult to upgrade from a .deb to another .deb?
[11:44] <ppax> what mono will come with breezy - any idea ?
[11:44] <djm62> Fish-Face: depends how the dependencies in unofficial repositories work out: backports can get messy
[11:44] <topyli> Fish-Face: no, unless the other deb conflicts with another deb, or half your system
[11:44] <Fish-Face> Hmm.
[11:45] <shido6> anyone in here with a capture card and an internet connection?
[11:45] <roben> topyli: like this "ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[11:45] <roben> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  libjavaplugin_oji.so"?
[11:45] <Fish-Face> I'll grab the official debian package, so it shouldn't be too bad
[11:45] <topyli> roben: yes, and "which java" should give "/usr/bin/java"
[11:45] <djm62> Fish-Face: just out of interest, what does this version of gimp do that the hoary one doesn't?
[11:46] <Fish-Face> djm62, bug fixes
[11:46] <roben> topyli: it don't-
[11:46] <topyli> hrm.
[11:46] <Fish-Face> why?
[11:46] <djm62> Fish-Face: ok then...what doesn't this version of gimp do that the hoary one does? ;)
[11:46] <topyli> roben: oh, we don't have java-common installed. do "sudo apt-get install java-common"
[11:46] <Fish-Face> djm62, segfault :)
[11:47] <paxmaster> i jsut insatll ubuntu 5 on my desktop and i am get a werid problems by which mean everythink fast and quick like when i type one letter is type fast a aaaaa
[11:47] <paxmaster> jsut*
[11:47] <paxmaster> just*
[11:47] <roben> topyli: we already have installed it.
[11:47] <topyli> oh
[11:47] <topyli> roben: ok, let's make the link
[11:48] <djm62> I guess I haven't seen a bug which takes more effort than messing around with strange packages :-/ dumb luck
[11:48] <JeTi> Hi all. Can anyone tell me whether installing nvidia-glx is going to work with an MSI 6800GT card?
[11:48] <roben> topyli: how?
[11:48] <Fish-Face> djm62, hmm... well, I'll do it tomorrow :) Past my bedtime..
[11:48] <djm62> Fish-Face: best of luck
[11:48] <topyli> roben: like so: "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java /usr/bin/java"
[11:48] <Fish-Face> thanks :)
[11:49] <g14> Has anyone tried out the Ubuntu add-on cd?
[11:49] <g14> Looks pretty sweet, but I haven't tried it out and was wondering if anyone has any experience with it
[11:49] <roben> topyli: and then?
[11:50] <topyli> roben: try "which java" to make sure
[11:50] <paxmaster> did anybody has the problem with typing when i type or even the mouse  is keep doing soo fast
[11:50] <jedipottsy> ne1 using cedega with city of heroes??? i cant get to install it, it just shows the background
[11:50] <roben> it works!
[11:50] <paxmaster> like when i type a on the command line is its repeating it self
[11:50] <roben> topyli: it works!
[11:50] <djm62> paxmaster: in X? are you a slow typist?
[11:51] <tizen> paxmaster: System -> Preferences -> Mouse/Keyboard
[11:51] <djm62> paxmaster: this sounds quite strange
[11:51] <topyli> roben: final test: fire up firefox, and go to "about:plugins"
[11:51] <paxmaster> i just install
[11:51] <paxmaster> it the ubuntu
[11:51] <vladster> how do you fix an iceauthority file
[11:51] <roben> topyli: thanks alot, but it is not there.
[11:52] <paxmaster> i think maybe its prelinks or somethink
[11:52] <paxmaster> yea in X
[11:52] <djm62> paxmaster: go to menu: System->Preferences->Mouse/Keyboard
[11:52] <topyli> roben: did you have firefox running? you may have to restart
[11:52] <djm62> topyli: did he make the symlink?
[11:52] <_chavo> vladster, try seleting it, it will be recreated.
[11:52] <_chavo> deleting even
[11:52] <roben> have to restart gnome or the whole system. I didnt have firefox running.
[11:52] <topyli> djm62: the plugin? we built a debian package, which should have made it
[11:52] <jedipottsy> ne1 know how i can install 3dsm?
[11:53] <roben> topyli: have to restart gnome or the whole system. I didnt have firefox running
[11:53] <jedipottsy> i want to be able to use 3dsm7
[11:53] <topyli> roben: just firefox
[11:53] <paxmaster> i can't  even click
[11:53] <topyli> damn
[11:53] <djm62> topyli: but was the plugin symlinked from firefox directory?
[11:53] <vladster> trying that right now
[11:53] <topyli> djm62: let's check
[11:53] <paxmaster> it click so fast
[11:53] <topyli> roben: ok, open a terminal, go to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[11:54] <jedipottsy> how do i run coh with windows 2000 emulation?
[11:54] <jedipottsy> ie win20
[11:54] <vladster> now to get the nvidia driver working correctly
[11:54] <roben> topyli: yes.
[11:54] <roben> topyli: and now?
[11:54] <topyli> roben: do "ls -l" and see what it says about libjavaplugin.so
[11:55] <Reak> how can i get the javalib plugin to work with firefox, whenever i follow the instructions on the sun website, firefox won't start
[11:55] <roben> topyli: totalt 0
[11:55] <roben> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 37 2005-05-02 22:47 flashplayer.xpt -> ../../mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt
[11:55] <roben> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 39 2005-05-02 22:47 libflashplayer.so -> ../../mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[11:55] <roben> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 58 2005-05-08 22:30 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[11:55] <Reak> oh you are already answering that
[11:56] <Reak> sorry :)
[11:56] <eob84> Is ubuntu hoary the stable?
[11:56] <topyli> roben: oh, that's from your old, failed installation. delete it: "sudo rm libjavaplugin.so"
[11:56] <djm62> eob84: yes
[11:56] <derelm> i wonder if there's a special channel for ubuntu on powerpc?
[11:56] <djm62> eob84: only security updates to hoary...
[11:57] <topyli> roben: then "ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin.so"
[11:57] <eob84> it doesn't seem to work
[11:57] <eob84> I can't get cups to work on it
[11:57] <eob84> rhythm box, XMMS
[11:57] <eob84> are they releasing a new version soon?
[11:57] <eob84> breezy I think
[11:57] <roben> topyli: and then?
[11:58] <topyli> roben: try firefox again
[11:58] <eob84> I order a cd to be sent to me
[11:58] <topyli> roben: oh, did you make the new link?
[11:58] <mxpxpod> I'm on my brother's computer and X hangs part of itself off the screen of his samsung syncmaster
[11:58] <eob84> what version are they sending
[11:58] <mxpxpod> any clue how to fix that?
[11:58] <eob84> yea
[11:58] <roben> topyli: i did what you wrote, but it is not there.
[11:58] <eob84> adjust the screen resolution
[11:59] <derelm> anyone with a newworld powerbook here?
[11:59] <eob84> 1024x768
[11:59] <mxpxpod> and adjusting the horizontal alignment doesn't fix it... it reaches the limit before getting aligned correctly
[11:59] <topyli> roben: you made the new link? and restarted firefox?
[11:59] <eob84> or 800x600
[11:59] <derelm> i cannot get my touchpad to work + no sound
[11:59] <eob84> sounds like the resolution is set to a widescreen mode
[11:59] <mxpxpod> eob84: it's at 1024x768