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| cartel_ | hey all | 12:52 |
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| cartel_ | where is the list of all work that needs to be done for breezy | 12:53 |
| KaiL | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals this? | 12:53 |
| cartel_ | hmm not that one | 12:59 |
| KaiL | not to mention it misses one point: | 01:15 |
| KaiL | "give KaiL some silly hardware, he can use for testing" :) | 01:16 |
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| Riddell | hello JRe | 10:04 |
| JRe | hello ;) | 10:04 |
| JRe | i have made the debian package for katapult | 10:05 |
| Riddell | just testing | 10:05 |
| Riddell | however dpkg doesn't like it, needs newer versions of libc and qt | 10:05 |
| JRe | dependency problem on kubuntu? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | JRe: did you make it in hoary? | 10:06 |
| JRe | nop in debian sid | 10:06 |
| Riddell | that would be the problem then | 10:06 |
| JRe | yeah i think ;) | 10:06 |
| JRe | i am installing kubuntu hoary | 10:06 |
| JRe | and i willl re package it specially for kubuntu | 10:06 |
| JRe | this soft rocks! | 10:07 |
| JRe | it can be a useful alternative to kooldock | 10:08 |
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| JRe | it's a soft to have dock icons in kde, like in mac os x | 10:09 |
| JRe | http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/ | 10:10 |
| Riddell | eww | 10:10 |
| JRe | http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/shots.php | 10:10 |
| JRe | it's very funny but still buggy | 10:11 |
| JRe | did you have feedback from katapult author i send him a mail too ;) | 10:13 |
| JRe | ?? | 10:13 |
| JRe | he must not stop the development ;) | 10:15 |
| Riddell | have you got katapult to work? I could never get it to launch a program | 10:16 |
| JRe | yeah under debian it works pretty well | 10:18 |
| JRe | pretty stable for a 0.2 | 10:18 |
| Riddell | I wonder what I'm doing wrong | 10:19 |
| JRe | don't worry i am going to make a kubuntu package | 10:19 |
| JRe | what name must i give to the program directory ? | 10:20 |
| JRe | katapult-0.2ubuntu | 10:20 |
| JRe | ??? | 10:20 |
| Riddell | chroot if your friend http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot | 10:20 |
| Riddell | no just katapult-0.2 | 10:21 |
| Riddell | version the package katapult-0.2-2ubuntu1 | 10:21 |
| Riddell | or katapult-0.2-2ubuntu0.1 for the test ones | 10:21 |
| JRe | okay | 10:21 |
| JRe | the debian way except for the version | 10:22 |
| Riddell | yes | 10:22 |
| JRe | ;) | 10:22 |
| JRe | if i install the hoary deboot strap i will be able to have a virtual hoary structure under debian? | 10:24 |
| JRe | with chroot | 10:25 |
| JRe | ? | 10:25 |
| Riddell | that's the idea | 10:26 |
| Riddell | it works well | 10:26 |
| JRe | okay | 10:27 |
| JRe | but ther version of the libs/programs will not stille match? | 10:28 |
| Riddell | doesn't matter | 10:29 |
| Riddell | it'll match within the chroot | 10:29 |
| JRe | okay | 10:29 |
| JRe | i understand | 10:29 |
| JRe | i must give a try | 10:30 |
| JRe | you have kubuntu or debian? | 10:33 |
| Riddell | kubuntu of course | 10:33 |
| JRe | ;) | 10:33 |
| JRe | stable or testing? | 10:34 |
| JRe | (testing of course?) | 10:34 |
| Riddell | stable hoary just now, breezy is going to be abumpy ride | 10:36 |
| JRe | i think i will soon replace debian by kubuntu on my laptop it will be easier to made kubuntu packages ;) | 10:37 |
| Riddell | yay :) | 10:38 |
| JRe | and i'll be able to test kde 3.4 ;) ;) ;) | 10:38 |
| JRe | (i could have done thaht on debian but i don't want to put the experimental packages) | 10:38 |
| JRe | what is the kernel version in hoary? | 10:40 |
| Riddell | >uname -a | 10:40 |
| Riddell | Linux pechin3 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux | 10:40 |
| JRe | thx ;) | 10:40 |
| JRe | koooool it's a 2.6.10 :) | 10:40 |
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| JRe | hello ;) | 04:09 |
| JRe | it's donne Riddel i am under kubuntu | 04:09 |
| KaiL | try with 2 l, then he get's a highlight | 04:10 |
| Riddell | JRe: rocking | 04:10 |
| Riddell | JRe: install or chroot? | 04:10 |
| JRe | it was pretty much simple to install than debian ;) | 04:10 |
| JRe | install | 04:10 |
| JRe | the default theme is very nice! | 04:10 |
| JRe | i will try to buil the katapult paquet now | 04:11 |
| JRe | for kubuntu | 04:11 |
| Riddell | cool | 04:11 |
| Riddell | I'm going shopping, back in a bit | 04:12 |
| JRe | ok ;) good shopping | 04:12 |
| JRe | how there have forgotten that there was no gcc | 04:27 |
| JRe | by default ;) | 04:27 |
| JRe | i have forgotten | 04:27 |
| Riddell | apt-get install build-essential | 05:04 |
| JRe | ;) | 05:10 |
| JRe | okay i am compiling katapult | 05:17 |
| JRe | by the way i have tried the tips to find depencies using strace and confiugure (cf maint-guide) and it does not work | 05:18 |
| JRe | okay Riddell the package is now working on kubuntu | 05:27 |
| JRe | i upload it on my homepage | 05:27 |
| Riddell | JRe: please | 05:28 |
| JRe | what is default ftp clien in kubuntu? | 05:28 |
| Riddell | konqueror | 05:29 |
| JRe | okay | 05:29 |
| KaiL | Riddell: your kdelibs-data is now in breezy... | 05:29 |
| KaiL | installed here, and what do I see? my /etc/kderc disappearing again :( | 05:30 |
| Riddell | yes, I and can see why, there's rm -f /etc/kderc in the preinstall script, how evil | 05:31 |
| Riddell | well fortunatly there's a security issue in kdelibs coming out soon so I can fix it then | 05:31 |
| KaiL | sometimes it's that easy.. | 05:31 |
| JRe | Riddel: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/katapult_0.2-1_i386.deb | 05:31 |
| JRe | it should work ;) | 05:32 |
| KaiL | should? remembers me of Windows XP ;) | 05:33 |
| JRe | ;) | 05:33 |
| JRe | okay it must work ;) | 05:33 |
| Riddell | JRe: woo! it works | 05:34 |
| JRe | unless you have done some rm -rf in /usr/lib | 05:34 |
| Riddell | that thing is the goodness | 05:34 |
| JRe | cool program no? | 05:34 |
| JRe | i use it everyday now | 05:34 |
| Riddell | JRe: can you upload the .orig .diff and .dsc | 05:34 |
| JRe | yeah but i have not correctly fullfilled the description, etc... | 05:35 |
| Riddell | ah well best do that first then | 05:35 |
| JRe | okay ;) | 05:36 |
| Riddell | that systray applet is annoying, completely unnecessary | 05:36 |
| JRe | howerver how i change the versio? | 05:36 |
| JRe | in the chanlog entriy? | 05:36 |
| Riddell | yes, version is set by changelog | 05:37 |
| Riddell | call is 0.2-0ubuntu0.1 | 05:37 |
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| JRe | okay | 05:37 |
| Riddell | KaiL: back in hoary? | 05:37 |
| KaiL_hoary | this is my K6-2 | 05:37 |
| KaiL_hoary | with a clean hoary on it | 05:37 |
| KaiL | 1 table, 2 Computers :) | 05:39 |
| KaiL | so I can find bugs in breezy AND still help hoary users | 05:40 |
| Riddell | now that's dedication | 05:40 |
| JRe | Riddel there is no man page | 05:42 |
| KaiL_hoary | write one :p | 05:42 |
| JRe | no needs no specific options | 05:43 |
| JRe | i just need the standard kde manpage | 05:43 |
| Riddell | manpages are required by debian policy | 05:43 |
| JRe | yeah but i can use the standard kde apps man page | 05:43 |
| JRe | i know i have read debian-policy | 05:43 |
| JRe | where can i find the standard man page you know with kde -help-qt --help-all etc... | 05:44 |
| JRe | ??? | 05:44 |
| Riddell | never seen such a thing | 05:44 |
| JRe | ;) | 05:45 |
| KaiL | look at man:/konversation | 05:46 |
| KaiL | there's not much more | 05:46 |
| JRe | i will copy the one of konversation | 05:46 |
| KaiL | only remove the scripting block | 05:48 |
| KaiL | and fix the stuff below ;) | 05:49 |
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| Riddell | JRe: you should give it a proper .desktop file in /usr/share/applications | 05:53 |
| KaiL | hmm, shouldn't nvidia-glx ask on install, if you want to activate it? | 05:54 |
| JRe | there is not? | 05:55 |
| JRe | i have seen one in utilities | 05:55 |
| JRe | ow there is no description | 05:55 |
| Riddell | JRe: there's an incomplete one in /usr/share/applnk | 05:55 |
| JRe | it's that? | 05:55 |
| JRe | okay | 05:56 |
| Riddell | needs a description and should be in /usr/share/applications/kde | 05:56 |
| JRe | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> | 05:58 |
| JRe | <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> | 05:59 |
| JRe | <head> | 05:59 |
| JRe | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> | 05:59 |
| JRe | <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" /> | 05:59 |
| JRe | </head> | 05:59 |
| JRe | <body> | 05:59 |
| JRe | <pre> | 05:59 |
| JRe | <span style='color: #800000'>shelldesktopdir </span><span style='color: #dd0000'>= </span><span style='color: #ff00ff'>$(</span><span style='color: #800000'>kde_appsdir</span><span style='color: #ff00ff'>)</span><span style='color: #dd0000'>/Utilities</span></pre></body> | 05:59 |
| JRe | </html> | 05:59 |
| JRe | oups sorry | 05:59 |
| KaiL_hoary | spammer :p | 05:59 |
| JRe | shelldesktopdir = $(kde_appsdir)/Utilities <= it's not the correct place? | 06:00 |
| Riddell | JRe: no, that's for the old menu standard | 06:00 |
| JRe | okay ;) | 06:01 |
| JRe | there is a new constant to name it? | 06:02 |
| Riddell | xdg_menu_dir or something | 06:03 |
| Riddell | should be in every other KDE app | 06:03 |
| JRe | okay sorry i will check an other package | 06:03 |
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| KaiL|hoary | uhm, reconnect? | 06:19 |
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| allee | JRe: hint kdemangen.pl (I'm late I know ;) | 06:41 |
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| Riddell | breezy kickoff meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 45 minutes | 08:13 |
| KaiL | hell, always such long channelnames ;) | 08:14 |
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| haggai | Riddell: thanks for the info | 08:51 |
| Riddell | meeting now | 09:01 |
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| hunger | Hey, there really is a kubuntu-devel;-) | 10:43 |
| hunger | Just guessed that there ought to be one. | 10:43 |
| Riddell | welcome along :) | 10:43 |
| Riddell | it's kept top secret so only clever people work it out | 10:43 |
| Riddell | hunger: going to become a MOTU? | 10:44 |
| hunger | Riddell: You failed! Or I wouldn't be here. | 10:44 |
| hunger | Riddell: No plans so far... | 10:44 |
| hunger | Riddell: I got little time on my hands... currently a bit more than usually though. | 10:44 |
| hunger | But I am willing to test whatever you can throw at me;-) | 10:45 |
| hunger | Lots of stuff they want to get into breezy... I wonder how kubuntu will keep up. | 10:47 |
| Riddell | would help if KDE had any kind of release plan... | 10:48 |
| hunger | Riddell: That is something for a business, not for a huge fun-project;-) | 10:49 |
| Riddell | what's the business? | 10:50 |
| hunger | Riddell: release plans, etc... that sounds very business like. | 10:50 |
| Riddell | KDE's always had release plans http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/ | 10:51 |
| hunger | Riddell: The kde guys I met so far are more "lets all sit together and have some fun coding" kind of guys (even when dressed up in suits;-) | 10:51 |
| Riddell | but now there is none, makes it hard to plan kubuntu when there's no KDE plan | 10:51 |
| allee | Riddel: My 'worries' are not so much when does KDE and therefore Kununtu release ... | 10:54 |
| allee | Riddell: In meeting lot's of gui stuff is mentioned and will be coded. So how do 'we' integrate the 'new' brezy infrastructure into KDE? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | we code like mad to make qt front ends for every gtk front end | 10:55 |
| hunger | allee: Neither are mine... I am wondering how all the cool stuff will be implemented. | 10:55 |
| hunger | allee: I | 10:55 |
| Riddell | but I suspect kubuntu will always lag ubuntu in such respects allee | 10:55 |
| allee | I had a look into the bluetooth and networkmagic stuff no matching KDE thingy yet that can be used 'as is' | 10:56 |
| hunger | If they stick everything into the UI apps then there is little to salvage for kubuntu. | 10:56 |
| Riddell | allee: kbluetooth? | 10:56 |
| hunger | allee: Most of the networkmagic could be done below the gui... | 10:56 |
| allee | Yeah, kdebluetooth is good but lacking all the integration (yet). Makebe mutoman will/can help | 10:57 |
| hunger | allee: Then that would only need to configure things and read a couple of stats from somewhere... | 10:57 |
| Riddell | kdebluetooth works where gnome's stuff doesn't | 10:59 |
| allee | hunger: agreed, but you need a GUI that fits on the 'networkmagic' work. | 10:59 |
| hunger | allee: I can get by without;-) | 10:59 |
| hunger | allee: If I configure with a editor or something... I just hope thom will do the right thing. | 11:00 |
| allee | hunger: he, he. I (can and do) without GUI. But you and me is then not the 'average kunbuntu user' | 11:02 |
| hunger | allee: Well, I am egozentric: I do think of myself first. | 11:02 |
| allee | hunger: my users kill we, when I do it like you ;) | 11:03 |
| hunger | allee: So would mine if I'd tell them;-) | 11:04 |
| allee | Riddell: will you amu, haggai and ??? monitor the breezy topic that will need UI stuff? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | allee: certainly will | 11:05 |
| allee | or any suggestion, how best to monitor this stuff? subscribing to ubuntu-devel is too much traffic :( | 11:06 |
| allee | Riddell: will you update KubuntuRoadmap or something else so everyone interested in Kunbutu can check what's needed? | 11:06 |
| Riddell | allee: start a wiki page | 11:07 |
| Riddell | I think the specs (like KubuntuRoadmap) are frozen | 11:07 |
| allee | Ah frozen (saw UDU wiki today the first time) | 11:07 |
| hunger | allee: They do hide their secrets well, these ubuntu people;-) | 11:08 |
| Riddell | it has been in the /topic of #kubuntu for the last week | 11:09 |
| allee | Riddell: I (can) only look at #kunbutu if allee bluetooth or digikam are mentioned :( | 11:09 |
| allee | allee: IRC easily eats all free time ;) | 11:10 |
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| hunger | ksysguard reports my system to run at its max. frequency. /sys claims it isen't. Who got it wrong? | 11:38 |
| Riddell | presumably max frequency is the default | 11:39 |
| hunger | Riddell: ksysguard did report the proper values recently. | 11:40 |
| hunger | Riddell: (before powernowd broke). | 11:40 |
| KaiL | hunger: go back to 0.90 :) | 11:43 |
| hunger | KaiL: 0.90? | 11:43 |
| KaiL | old powernowd | 11:43 |
| KaiL | here ksysguard shows 1GHz, /proc/cpuinfo too | 11:44 |
| KaiL | and powernowd is alive ;) | 11:44 |
| hunger | KaiL: powernowd works here as well again (after switching the kernel or turning of HT) | 11:45 |
| KaiL | but not ksysguard shows the max clock? | 11:46 |
| KaiL | eh, now.. | 11:46 |
| hunger | KaiL: Maybe ksysguard got stuck on max clock since it had to show that for the last couple of days due to the broken powernowd. | 11:46 |
| KaiL | lol | 11:47 |
| hunger | KaiL: I think I trust the kernel more than a kde tool;-) | 11:47 |
| KaiL | afaik the kde tool only reads the kernel info... | 11:48 |
| hunger | KaiL: And my fans tell me that the kernel is not lieing to me:-) | 11:48 |
| hunger | KaiL: Looks like it does not anymore. | 11:48 |
| KaiL | uhm, HT.. it's a P4 switching from 2.6 to 3.x GHz? | 11:49 |
| hunger | KaiL: Well, I updated a couple of min. ago. There were some KDE packages... maybe something broke. | 11:49 |
| hunger | KaiL: It is a p4 running at 400MHz... | 11:49 |
| KaiL | P4 mobile? | 11:49 |
| hunger | KaiL: Nope. | 11:50 |
| hunger | KaiL: Biggest mistake I ever made: Never get a non-mobile P4 laptop! | 11:50 |
| KaiL | you can switch the P4 so far down? wow | 11:50 |
| hunger | KaiL: My coworkers actually call my laptop "the fold-up tower". | 11:51 |
| KaiL | LOL | 11:51 |
| KaiL | seams to be some "half-mobile-P4" | 11:51 |
| hunger | KaiL: It is close to 5kg... nuff said. | 11:51 |
| KaiL | the real desktop-P4 can't go below 2.6Ghz afaik | 11:51 |
| KaiL | hmm, 17"? :) | 11:52 |
| hunger | KaiL: Well, it does here. | 11:52 |
| hunger | KaiL: Nope, only 15.4" | 11:52 |
| KaiL | normally those are <3kg.. | 11:52 |
| hunger | KaiL: And they forgot the batteries too... added a emergency power supply only... | 11:52 |
| hunger | KaiL: 45min without power and the box shuts down. | 11:53 |
| KaiL | lol | 11:53 |
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| KaiL | as my Gericom laptop with a Celeron 433 from 1998 | 11:53 |
| hunger | KaiL: ... and never get the idea of actually using the P4 either... | 11:53 |
| hunger | KaiL: The laptop will shut down then to protect the cpu from burning out. | 11:54 |
| KaiL | less expensive for the vendor.. | 11:54 |
| haggai | Riddell: sleep?? now? | 11:54 |
| KaiL | haggai: it's late evening in europe | 11:54 |
| haggai | KaiL: which means Riddell is just getting going :) | 11:55 |
| hunger | KaiL: Well, my boss told me the vendor I had to buy from... and this was the only box with a decent resolution. | 11:55 |
| KaiL | you mean normally geeks now awake? ;) | 11:55 |
| haggai | Riddell & I are in the same timezone but don't normally sleep at the same time | 11:55 |
| KaiL | hunger: which vendor makes such crap? | 11:55 |
| KaiL | and why does your boss like that so much? | 11:56 |
| hunger | KaiL: Bullman... | 11:56 |
| hunger | KaiL: Dunno. | 11:56 |
| hunger | KaiL: He does not like it so much anymore... now that he got one there for himself. | 11:56 |
| KaiL | lol | 11:56 |
| hunger | KaiL: HDD broke down 3 times in the first 4 month... | 11:57 |
| KaiL | wow | 11:57 |
| hunger | KaiL: But actually the laptop of the others are pretty decent... not good, but ok. | 11:57 |
| KaiL | maybe he'll switch to another vendor than | 11:57 |
| Riddell | haggai: my flatmate said that when most people go to australia they end up getting up in the middle of the night | 11:57 |
| KaiL | to something normal | 11:58 |
| hunger | KaiL: and they over a 3 year warranty which is what my boss liked. | 11:58 |
| Riddell | but I've ended up getting up at "normal times" | 11:58 |
| KaiL | Riddell: LOL | 11:58 |
| KaiL | hunger: well, if you need that every month..... | 11:58 |
| haggai | Riddell: heh very useful that visit to .au | 12:01 |
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