[12:52] <cartel_> hey all
[12:53] <cartel_> where is the list of all work that needs to be done for breezy
[12:53] <KaiL> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals this?
[12:59] <cartel_> hmm not that one
[01:15] <KaiL> not to mention it misses one point:
[01:16] <KaiL> "give KaiL  some silly hardware, he can use for testing" :)
[10:04] <Riddell> hello JRe 
[10:04] <JRe> hello ;)
[10:05] <JRe> i have made the debian package for katapult
[10:05] <Riddell> just testing
[10:05] <Riddell> however dpkg doesn't like it, needs newer versions of libc and qt
[10:06] <JRe> dependency problem on kubuntu?
[10:06] <Riddell> JRe: did you make it in hoary?
[10:06] <JRe> nop in debian sid
[10:06] <Riddell> that would be the problem then
[10:06] <JRe> yeah i think ;)
[10:06] <JRe> i am installing kubuntu hoary
[10:06] <JRe> and i willl re package it specially for kubuntu
[10:07] <JRe> this soft rocks!
[10:08] <JRe> it can be a useful alternative to kooldock
[10:09] <JRe> it's a soft to have dock icons in kde, like in mac os x
[10:10] <JRe> http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/
[10:10] <Riddell> eww
[10:10] <JRe> http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/shots.php
[10:11] <JRe> it's very funny but still buggy
[10:13] <JRe> did you have feedback from katapult author i send him a mail too ;)
[10:13] <JRe> ??
[10:15] <JRe> he must not stop the development ;)
[10:16] <Riddell> have you got katapult to work?  I could never get it to launch a program
[10:18] <JRe> yeah under debian it works pretty well
[10:18] <JRe> pretty stable for a 0.2
[10:19] <Riddell> I wonder what I'm doing wrong
[10:19] <JRe> don't worry i am going to make a kubuntu package
[10:20] <JRe> what name must i give to the program directory ?
[10:20] <JRe> katapult-0.2ubuntu
[10:20] <JRe> ???
[10:20] <Riddell> chroot if your friend http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[10:21] <Riddell> no just katapult-0.2
[10:21] <Riddell> version the package katapult-0.2-2ubuntu1
[10:21] <Riddell> or katapult-0.2-2ubuntu0.1 for the test ones
[10:21] <JRe> okay
[10:22] <JRe> the debian way except for the version
[10:22] <Riddell> yes
[10:22] <JRe> ;)
[10:24] <JRe> if i install the hoary deboot strap i will be able to have a virtual hoary structure under debian?
[10:25] <JRe> with chroot
[10:25] <JRe> ?
[10:26] <Riddell> that's the idea
[10:26] <Riddell> it works well
[10:27] <JRe> okay
[10:28] <JRe> but ther version of the libs/programs will not stille match?
[10:29] <Riddell> doesn't matter
[10:29] <Riddell> it'll match within the chroot
[10:29] <JRe> okay 
[10:29] <JRe> i understand
[10:30] <JRe> i must give a try
[10:33] <JRe> you have kubuntu or debian?
[10:33] <Riddell> kubuntu of course
[10:33] <JRe> ;)
[10:34] <JRe> stable or testing?
[10:34] <JRe> (testing of course?)
[10:36] <Riddell> stable hoary just now, breezy is going to be  abumpy ride
[10:37] <JRe> i think i will soon replace debian by kubuntu on my laptop it will be easier to made kubuntu packages ;)
[10:38] <Riddell> yay :)
[10:38] <JRe> and i'll be able to test kde 3.4 ;) ;) ;)
[10:38] <JRe> (i could have done thaht on debian but i don't want to put the experimental packages)
[10:40] <JRe> what is the kernel version in hoary?
[10:40] <Riddell> >uname -a
[10:40] <Riddell> Linux pechin3 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:40] <JRe> thx ;)
[10:40] <JRe> koooool it's a 2.6.10 :)
[04:09] <JRe> hello ;)
[04:09] <JRe> it's donne Riddel i am under kubuntu 
[04:10] <KaiL> try with 2 l, then he get's a highlight
[04:10] <Riddell> JRe: rocking
[04:10] <Riddell> JRe: install or chroot?
[04:10] <JRe> it was pretty much simple to install than debian ;)
[04:10] <JRe> install
[04:10] <JRe> the default theme is very nice!
[04:11] <JRe> i will try to buil the katapult paquet now
[04:11] <JRe> for kubuntu
[04:11] <Riddell> cool
[04:12] <Riddell> I'm going shopping, back in a bit
[04:12] <JRe> ok ;) good shopping
[04:27] <JRe> how there have forgotten that there was no gcc
[04:27] <JRe> by default ;)
[04:27] <JRe> i have forgotten
[05:04] <Riddell> apt-get install build-essential
[05:10] <JRe> ;)
[05:17] <JRe> okay i am compiling katapult
[05:18] <JRe> by the way i have tried the tips to find depencies using strace and confiugure (cf maint-guide) and it does not work
[05:27] <JRe> okay Riddell the package is now working on kubuntu
[05:27] <JRe> i upload it on my homepage
[05:28] <Riddell> JRe: please
[05:28] <JRe> what is default ftp clien in kubuntu?
[05:29] <Riddell> konqueror
[05:29] <JRe> okay
[05:29] <KaiL> Riddell: your kdelibs-data is now in breezy...
[05:30] <KaiL> installed here, and what do I see? my /etc/kderc disappearing again :(
[05:31] <Riddell> yes, I and can see why, there's rm -f /etc/kderc in the preinstall script, how evil
[05:31] <Riddell> well fortunatly there's a security issue in kdelibs coming out soon so I can fix it then
[05:31] <KaiL> sometimes it's that easy..
[05:31] <JRe> Riddel: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/katapult_0.2-1_i386.deb
[05:32] <JRe> it should work ;)
[05:33] <KaiL> should? remembers me of Windows XP ;)
[05:33] <JRe> ;)
[05:33] <JRe> okay it must work ;)
[05:34] <Riddell> JRe: woo!  it works
[05:34] <JRe> unless you have done some rm -rf in /usr/lib
[05:34] <Riddell> that thing is the goodness
[05:34] <JRe> cool program no?
[05:34] <JRe> i use it everyday now
[05:34] <Riddell> JRe: can you upload the .orig .diff and .dsc
[05:35] <JRe> yeah but i have not correctly fullfilled the description, etc...
[05:35] <Riddell> ah well best do that first then
[05:36] <JRe> okay ;)
[05:36] <Riddell> that systray applet is annoying, completely unnecessary
[05:36] <JRe> howerver how i change the versio?
[05:36] <JRe> in the chanlog entriy?
[05:37] <Riddell> yes, version is set by changelog
[05:37] <Riddell> call is 0.2-0ubuntu0.1
[05:37] <JRe> okay
[05:37] <Riddell> KaiL: back in hoary?
[05:37] <KaiL_hoary> this is my K6-2
[05:37] <KaiL_hoary> with a clean hoary on it
[05:39] <KaiL> 1 table, 2 Computers :)
[05:40] <KaiL> so I can find bugs in breezy AND still help hoary users
[05:40] <Riddell> now that's dedication
[05:42] <JRe> Riddel there is no man page
[05:42] <KaiL_hoary> write one :p
[05:43] <JRe> no needs no specific options
[05:43] <JRe> i just need the standard kde manpage
[05:43] <Riddell> manpages are required by debian policy
[05:43] <JRe> yeah but i can use the standard kde apps man page
[05:43] <JRe> i know i have read debian-policy
[05:44] <JRe> where can i find the standard man page you know with kde -help-qt --help-all etc...
[05:44] <JRe> ???
[05:44] <Riddell> never seen such a thing
[05:45] <JRe> ;)
[05:46] <KaiL> look at man:/konversation
[05:46] <KaiL> there's not much more
[05:46] <JRe> i will copy the one of konversation
[05:48] <KaiL> only remove the scripting block
[05:49] <KaiL> and fix the stuff below ;)
[05:53] <Riddell> JRe: you should give it a proper .desktop file in /usr/share/applications
[05:54] <KaiL> hmm, shouldn't nvidia-glx ask on install, if you want to activate it?
[05:55] <JRe> there is not?
[05:55] <JRe> i have seen one in utilities
[05:55] <JRe> ow there is no description
[05:55] <Riddell> JRe: there's an incomplete one in /usr/share/applnk
[05:55] <JRe> it's that?
[05:56] <JRe> okay
[05:56] <Riddell> needs a description and should be in /usr/share/applications/kde
[05:58] <JRe> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[05:59] <JRe> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[05:59] <JRe> <span style='color: #800000'>shelldesktopdir   </span><span style='color: #dd0000'>= </span><span style='color: #ff00ff'>$(</span><span style='color: #800000'>kde_appsdir</span><span style='color: #ff00ff'>)</span><span style='color: #dd0000'>/Utilities</span></pre></body>
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[05:59] <JRe> oups sorry
[05:59] <KaiL_hoary> spammer :p
[06:00] <JRe> shelldesktopdir   = $(kde_appsdir)/Utilities   <= it's not the correct place?
[06:00] <Riddell> JRe: no, that's for the old menu standard
[06:01] <JRe> okay ;)
[06:02] <JRe> there is a new constant to name it?
[06:03] <Riddell> xdg_menu_dir or something
[06:03] <Riddell> should be in every other KDE app
[06:03] <JRe> okay sorry i will check an other package 
[06:19] <KaiL|hoary> uhm, reconnect?
[06:41] <allee> JRe: hint kdemangen.pl  (I'm late I know ;)
[08:13] <Riddell> breezy kickoff meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 45 minutes
[08:14] <KaiL> hell, always such long channelnames ;)
[08:51] <haggai> Riddell: thanks for the info
[09:01] <Riddell> meeting now
[10:43] <hunger> Hey, there really is a kubuntu-devel;-)
[10:43] <hunger> Just guessed that there ought to be one.
[10:43] <Riddell> welcome along :)
[10:43] <Riddell> it's kept top secret so only clever people work it out
[10:44] <Riddell> hunger: going to become a MOTU?
[10:44] <hunger> Riddell: You failed! Or I wouldn't be here.
[10:44] <hunger> Riddell: No plans so far...
[10:44] <hunger> Riddell: I got little time on my hands... currently a bit more than usually though.
[10:45] <hunger> But I am willing to test whatever you can throw at me;-)
[10:47] <hunger> Lots of stuff they want to get into breezy... I wonder how kubuntu will keep up.
[10:48] <Riddell> would help if KDE had any kind of release plan...
[10:49] <hunger> Riddell: That is something for a business, not for a huge fun-project;-)
[10:50] <Riddell> what's the business?
[10:50] <hunger> Riddell: release plans, etc... that sounds very business like.
[10:51] <Riddell> KDE's always had release plans http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/
[10:51] <hunger> Riddell: The kde guys I met so far are more "lets all sit together and have some fun coding" kind of guys (even when dressed up in suits;-)
[10:51] <Riddell> but now there is none, makes it hard to plan kubuntu when there's no KDE plan
[10:54] <allee> Riddel: My 'worries' are not so much when does KDE and therefore Kununtu release ...
[10:54] <allee> Riddell: In meeting lot's of gui stuff is mentioned and will be coded.   So how do 'we' integrate the 'new' brezy infrastructure into KDE?
[10:55] <Riddell> we code like mad to make qt front ends for every gtk front end
[10:55] <hunger> allee: Neither are mine... I am wondering how all the cool stuff will be implemented.
[10:55] <hunger> allee: I
[10:55] <Riddell> but I suspect kubuntu will always lag ubuntu in such respects allee 
[10:56] <allee> I had a look into the bluetooth and networkmagic stuff   no matching KDE thingy yet that can be used 'as is'
[10:56] <hunger> If they stick everything into the UI apps then there is little to salvage for kubuntu.
[10:56] <Riddell> allee: kbluetooth?
[10:56] <hunger> allee: Most of the networkmagic could be done below the gui...
[10:57] <allee> Yeah, kdebluetooth is good but lacking all the integration  (yet).   Makebe mutoman will/can help
[10:57] <hunger> allee: Then that would only need to configure things and read a couple of stats from somewhere...
[10:59] <Riddell> kdebluetooth works where gnome's stuff doesn't
[10:59] <allee> hunger: agreed, but you need a GUI that fits on the 'networkmagic' work.
[10:59] <hunger> allee: I can get by without;-)
[11:00] <hunger> allee: If I configure with a editor or something... I just hope thom will do the right thing.
[11:02] <allee> hunger: he, he.    I (can and do) without GUI.   But you and me is then not the 'average kunbuntu user'
[11:02] <hunger> allee: Well, I am egozentric: I do think of myself first.
[11:03] <allee> hunger: my users kill we, when I do it like you ;)
[11:04] <hunger> allee: So would mine if I'd tell them;-)
[11:05] <allee> Riddell: will you amu, haggai and ??? monitor the breezy topic that will need UI stuff?
[11:05] <Riddell> allee: certainly will
[11:06] <allee> or any suggestion, how best to monitor this stuff?  subscribing to ubuntu-devel is too much traffic :(
[11:06] <allee> Riddell: will you update  KubuntuRoadmap  or something else so everyone interested in Kunbutu can check what's needed?
[11:07] <Riddell> allee: start a wiki page
[11:07] <Riddell> I think the specs (like KubuntuRoadmap) are frozen
[11:07] <allee> Ah frozen (saw UDU wiki today the first  time)
[11:08] <hunger> allee: They do hide their secrets well, these ubuntu people;-)
[11:09] <Riddell> it has been in the /topic of #kubuntu for the last week
[11:09] <allee> Riddell: I (can) only look at #kunbutu if allee bluetooth or digikam are mentioned :(
[11:10] <allee> allee: IRC easily eats all free time ;)
[11:38] <hunger> ksysguard reports my system to run at its max. frequency. /sys claims it isen't. Who got it wrong?
[11:39] <Riddell> presumably max frequency is the default
[11:40] <hunger> Riddell: ksysguard did report the proper values recently.
[11:40] <hunger> Riddell: (before powernowd broke).
[11:43] <KaiL> hunger: go back to 0.90 :)
[11:43] <hunger> KaiL: 0.90?
[11:43] <KaiL> old powernowd
[11:44] <KaiL> here ksysguard shows 1GHz, /proc/cpuinfo too
[11:44] <KaiL> and powernowd is alive ;)
[11:45] <hunger> KaiL: powernowd works here as well again (after switching the kernel or turning of HT)
[11:46] <KaiL> but not ksysguard shows the max clock?
[11:46] <KaiL> eh, now..
[11:46] <hunger> KaiL: Maybe ksysguard got stuck on max clock since it had to show that for the last couple of days due to the broken powernowd.
[11:47] <KaiL> lol
[11:47] <hunger> KaiL: I think I trust the kernel more than a kde tool;-)
[11:48] <KaiL> afaik the kde tool only reads the kernel info...
[11:48] <hunger> KaiL: And my fans tell me that the kernel is not lieing to me:-)
[11:48] <hunger> KaiL: Looks like it does not anymore.
[11:49] <KaiL> uhm, HT.. it's a P4 switching from 2.6 to 3.x GHz?
[11:49] <hunger> KaiL: Well, I updated a couple of min. ago. There were some KDE packages... maybe something broke.
[11:49] <hunger> KaiL: It is a p4 running at 400MHz...
[11:49] <KaiL> P4 mobile?
[11:50] <hunger> KaiL: Nope.
[11:50] <hunger> KaiL: Biggest mistake I ever made: Never get a non-mobile P4 laptop!
[11:50] <KaiL> you can switch the P4 so far down? wow
[11:51] <hunger> KaiL: My coworkers actually call my laptop "the fold-up tower".
[11:51] <KaiL> LOL
[11:51] <KaiL> seams to be some "half-mobile-P4"
[11:51] <hunger> KaiL: It is close to 5kg... nuff said.
[11:51] <KaiL> the real desktop-P4 can't go below 2.6Ghz afaik
[11:52] <KaiL> hmm, 17"? :)
[11:52] <hunger> KaiL: Well, it does here.
[11:52] <hunger> KaiL: Nope, only 15.4"
[11:52] <KaiL> normally those are <3kg..
[11:52] <hunger> KaiL: And they forgot the batteries too... added a emergency power supply only...
[11:53] <hunger> KaiL: 45min without power and the box shuts down.
[11:53] <KaiL> lol
[11:53] <KaiL> as my Gericom laptop with a Celeron 433 from 1998
[11:53] <hunger> KaiL: ... and never get the idea of actually using the P4 either...
[11:54] <hunger> KaiL: The laptop will shut down then to protect the cpu from burning out.
[11:54] <KaiL> less expensive for the vendor..
[11:54] <haggai> Riddell: sleep?? now?
[11:54] <KaiL> haggai: it's late evening in europe
[11:55] <haggai> KaiL: which means Riddell is just getting going :)
[11:55] <hunger> KaiL: Well, my boss told me the vendor I had to buy from... and this was the only box with a decent resolution.
[11:55] <KaiL> you mean normally geeks now awake? ;)
[11:55] <haggai> Riddell & I are in the same timezone but don't normally sleep at the same time
[11:55] <KaiL> hunger: which vendor makes such crap?
[11:56] <KaiL> and why does your boss like that so much?
[11:56] <hunger> KaiL: Bullman...
[11:56] <hunger> KaiL: Dunno.
[11:56] <hunger> KaiL: He does not like it so much anymore... now that he got one there for himself.
[11:56] <KaiL> lol
[11:57] <hunger> KaiL: HDD broke down 3 times in the first 4 month...
[11:57] <KaiL> wow
[11:57] <hunger> KaiL: But actually the laptop of the others are pretty decent... not good, but ok.
[11:57] <KaiL> maybe he'll switch to another vendor than
[11:57] <Riddell> haggai: my flatmate said that when most people go to australia they end up getting up in the middle of the night
[11:58] <KaiL> to something normal
[11:58] <hunger> KaiL: and they over a 3 year warranty which is what my boss liked.
[11:58] <Riddell> but I've ended up getting up at "normal times"
[11:58] <KaiL> Riddell: LOL
[11:58] <KaiL> hunger: well, if you need that every month.....
[12:01] <haggai> Riddell: heh very useful that visit to .au