[12:52] <cartel_> hey all 
[12:53] <cartel_> where is the list of all work that needs to be done for breezy
[12:58] <tseng> cartel_: hm on udu.wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:58] <tseng> cartel_: MOTUTodo on the main wiki
[01:00] <cartel_> thx
[01:50] <toresbe> Hmmm
[01:50] <toresbe> Ubuntu needs a cool GUI filesystem/partition manager
[01:51] <tseng> that came up a bit at UDU
[01:51] <toresbe> seems like a fun thing to write
[01:54] <toresbe> I have already cleaned my desk
[01:54] <toresbe> ...sort of
[02:05] <diamond> elmo: hey. can you tell me when the community council meeting is on at on the 10th? the wiki page just has ???? in for time...
[02:05] <mdz> toresbe: take a look at gparted
[02:10] <mdz> toresbe: in that case, please also look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalPartitioningTool :-)
[02:13] <toresbe> Are we concidering using gparted in the installer?
[02:14] <mdz> it is more or less decided that it will be used to provide an 'advanced partitioning' mode in UbuntuExpress
[02:15] <toresbe> okay
[02:16] <cartel_> UbuntuExpress?
[02:16] <toresbe> is there a streamlined process to resize the Windows partition?
[02:16] <toresbe> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress
[02:16] <toresbe> does the installer even give the user an idea of what a partition even is?
[02:19] <mdz> toresbe: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerSimpleResize
[02:45] <jsgotangco> morning
[02:47] <tseng> hi.
[03:05] <jdub> "Ubuntu's kernel enables SATA ATAPI support, which Jeff Garzik tells me is a bad naughty thing of them to do since it's not ready yet."
[03:05] <jdub> fabbione: ^ ;-)
[03:05] <jsgotangco> morning jdub :)
[03:06] <jdub> morning
[03:08] <Lathiat> heheh
[03:08] <tseng> hi jdub 
[03:08] <tseng> get naughty!
[03:24] <jiyuu0> any idea?
[03:24] <jiyuu0> Error loading internal Browser!
[03:24] <jiyuu0> No more handles (java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /opt/rssowl_linux_1_1_bin/libswt-mozilla-gtk-3127.so: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[05:07] <Burgundavia> can I close as not a bug?
[05:10] <Burgundavia> nev mind, done
[05:17] <jdub> morning mdz 
[05:20] <stuNNed> oh ok so NM(Network Manager) is the correct approach, cool, should we see NM upgraded in Hoary or just in Breezy?
[05:20] <bob2> hoary isn't going to get random feature updates
[05:20] <bob2> especially highly disruptive ones
[05:21] <stuNNed> ok thanks bob2 
[05:26] <whiprush> bob2!
[05:26] <bob2> aloha
[05:26] <fabbione> morning
[05:26] <bob2> you broke your daily blog promise!
[05:26] <jsgotangco> whiprush, hey long time no see
[05:26] <whiprush> I've been sick. :(
[05:26] <jsgotangco> waaa
[05:26] <jsgotangco> a lot of people have been sick since UDU
[05:27] <daniels> indeed
[05:27] <womble> Ubuntuitis...
[05:27] <whiprush> I was awesome though, only worked 2 days last week.
[05:27] <whiprush> I have a -2 balance of sick days now
[05:27] <schweeb> bastard tried blaming it on me.
[05:27] <infinity> I'd love to know who to blame.
[05:27] <infinity> I'm almost over the UDUFlu though.
[05:27] <whiprush> i wonder if it was sladen
[05:28] <whiprush> he was pretty sick
[05:28] <whiprush> and he stayed in my room
[05:28] <fabbione> infinity: you too??
[05:28] <fabbione> infinity: blame gtk!
[05:28] <womble> I think it came in from LCA -- there were a few people a bit crook after that (myself included) that didn't go to UDU
[05:28] <whiprush> hhmm, I didn't know everyone else was sick
[05:28] <whiprush> I thought it was just me
[05:29] <jsgotangco> hmmm some got it worse
[05:29] <daniels> yeah, it spread throughout LCA and then UDU
[05:29] <daniels> the thing is, though, it started with Ubuntu people
[05:29] <daniels> spread to mainly Ubuntu people at LCA
[05:29] <infinity> Joy.  Well, find me the source, and I'll send them a lovely letterbomb.
[05:29] <daniels> so UDU just made that so much worse
[05:30] <jsgotangco> fabbione, you ok now?
[05:30] <whiprush> yeah seriously
[05:30] <daniels> infinity: flubuntu
[05:30] <infinity> I've been hacking up phlegm for the last week.
[05:30] <daniels> infinity: i got it off thom
[05:30] <daniels> infinity: i was pretty sick at lca, and i'm still hacking up phlegm to this day
[05:30] <toresbe> heh
[05:30] <bob2> me too
[05:30] <fabbione> jsgotangco: still coughing a lot
[05:30] <bob2> so we can blame thom now?
[05:30] <infinity> Blaming thom does seem to be the status quo.
[05:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:30] <whiprush> I can go along with this
[05:31] <whiprush> gargling salt water and nyquil have kept me sort of normal
[05:32] <infinity> I've never met anyone on NyQuil that I'd call "normal".
[05:32] <infinity> "loopy", perhaps.
[05:32] <whiprush> it passes the time
[05:33] <jsgotangco> whiprush, time to get to work on those specs tee hee
[05:33] <whiprush> heh yeah
[05:33] <jdub> pants off whiprush 
[05:33] <jdub> hope you're feeling better
[05:33] <jdub> seems everyone got it
[05:33] <whiprush> pants very much on
[05:33] <whiprush> with sheets
[05:34] <whiprush> and pillows
[05:34] <fabbione> it must have been the keysign party..
[05:34] <fabbione> let's blame mako!
[05:34] <whiprush> and the thermostat cranked up to as high as it goes
[05:34] <Burgundavia> jdub, sorry to bug you, but I need to move the docteam portal forward, and I was wondering who I need to contact
[05:35] <infinity> daniels : You may be interested to know that, despite their reputation for shooting every{one,thing} on sight, the Victoria Police are really quite nice.
[05:35] <daniels> infinity: ...
[05:36] <infinity> daniels : I had to get them to fingerprint me for a criminal records check.  The Queensland Police were going to charge me 100 bucks for the privilege, the Victorian Police did it for free.
[05:36] <daniels> infinity: they arrest you for immigration violation?
[05:36] <daniels> oh, sweet
[05:36] <jsgotangco> whoa
[05:37] <jdub> Burgundavia: i don't have any idea what you're talking about, unfortunately
[05:37] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, did you not corral a dev at UDU about this
[05:37] <daniels> infinity: you'll be pleased to know that Jarrod is now working on extracting gold from a whole bunch of teeth
[05:38] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, no i didn't i thought the portal was already requested
[05:38] <Burgundavia> jdub, can you join #ubuntu-doc quickly?
[05:39] <infinity> daniels : <blink>
[05:41] <jsgotangco> whiprush, nice blog summary heh
[05:42] <whiprush> i got more pics
[05:42] <jsgotangco> where?
[05:42] <whiprush> not up yet
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:42] <whiprush> I got a good one of luis thrusting his pelvis at the camera
[05:42] <whiprush> it's totally horrible
[05:42] <daniels> heh
[05:56] <dholbach> morning
[05:56] <jsgotangco> dholbach, hey
[05:56] <bob2> 'morning
[05:56] <dholbach> hey jsgotangco, bob2 :-)
[06:14] <dholbach> mako, Kamion, elmo: could you please agree on a date and time for the CommunityCouncil - i fear it will be a bit late to say to everybody "it will be tomorrow"
[06:53] <bob2> jesus christ the ctrl-u binding in firefox is annoying
[06:53] <mdz> jdub: morning
[06:53] <Lathiat> whats it bound to?
[06:54] <bob2> "display source for this page"
[06:54] <dholbach> hey mdz 
[06:54] <bob2> instead of "delete this line of text"
[06:54] <mdz> dholbach: hi
[07:06] <fabbione> hey mdz
[07:11] <TheMuso> Is anybody around that was at the accessibility roadmap BOF at Udu?
[07:12] <TheMuso> I have a couple of questions to ask about the spec.
[07:49] <jsgotangco> JaneW, hey!
[07:50] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco ;)
[07:52] <ajmitch_> hi
[07:52] <fabbione> hey JaneW 
[07:57] <dholbach> morning JaneW!
[07:57] <JaneW> morning, morning
[07:57] <JaneW> has to figure out how to fix it - I have a 09:30 meeting... ack
[07:58] <jsgotangco> you can try pouring redbull in the engine but...
[07:58] <JaneW> bendex is stuck, so can't even push-start it.... : (
[07:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ;)
[08:06] <tfheen> hi JaneW
[08:07] <dholbach> JaneW: you have a HUGE fan club ;-)
[08:08] <dholbach> morning tfheen :-)
[08:08] <tfheen> hi daniel :)
[08:08] <daniels> tfheen: hey dude
[08:08] <Lathiat> its tfheen 
[08:08] <daniels> dholbach: yo
[08:08] <dholbach> hey daniel
[08:09] <dennis__> who chose to take out python out of the openoffice package :-)
[08:10] <daniels> oh man, breezy kickoff meeting is at 5am
[08:10] <Lathiat> daniels: 3am here!
[08:11] <dholbach> dennis__: it must have been a very sensible person... shipping ones own python gives me the collywobbles
[08:12] <dennis__> dholback, well there is an easy way to just use the existing python, but that would mean we'd have to pass an extra compilation flag 
[08:12] <dennis__> to the python compile
[08:12] <dennis__> it's like -use-shared or something like that
[08:12] <dholbach> dennis__: sorry for flaming... i'm absolutely no expert on openoffice
[08:13] <dennis__> oh, it's cool
[08:13] <dennis__> hmm, i'm just not happy with the way it is right now, we should either compile python with the shared option or we should leave python in OO
[08:14] <dennis__> who maintains oo?
[08:14] <mako> dholbach: hey dude, not everyone has been online.. lets do it at the standard time.. 1600UTC tuesday
[08:14] <mako> dholbach: one last time :)
[08:14] <dholbach> mako: perfect
[08:14] <mako> dholbach: i wanted to move the new times, but we can wait until two weeks from taht to confirm it
[08:15] <mako> i'll send out a letter 24h before announcing it
[08:15] <mako> i.e., tomorrow
[08:15] <dholbach> erm?
[08:15] <ajmitch_> mm, 4AM, got to be good
[08:15] <dholbach> no CC meeting tomorrow then?
[08:15] <mako> dholbach: oh right.. tomorrow for YOU
[08:15] <mako> dholbach: day after tomorrow for me :)
[08:15] <dennis__> dholbach, should i submit a bug report for that?
[08:15] <mako> dholbach: it still sunday night here
[08:16] <Lathiat> eek
[08:16] <Lathiat> its 2pm monday here
[08:16] <mako> Lathiat: y'know.. timezones
[08:16] <dholbach> mako: alright: Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC then?
[08:16] <Lathiat> yarr
[08:16] <mako> dholbach: yes.. where are you changing it?
[08:16] <fabbione> hey guys
[08:16] <dholbach> dennis__: doko and haggai did, afaik
[08:16] <fabbione> we are trying to vote for a kernel release name
[08:16] <dholbach> mako: #ubuntu-meeting, CommunityCouncilAgenda and wiki/Calendar
[08:16] <Simira> morning, fabbione 
[08:16] <fabbione> if you have some cool ideas, you are welcome to join #ubuntu-kernel
[08:17] <fabbione> hey Simira 
[08:17] <dholbach> mako: excusez-moi
[08:17] <mako> it's fine :)
[08:17] <mako> i'm gonna have to clean up the agenda tomorrow
[08:17] <jsgotangco> jeeezz 19:00 UTC that's 3am here
[08:17] <fabbione> mako: are we starting again from 16:00 UTC or is that the unchangable time?
[08:18] <dholbach> fabbione: last meeting at static-16:00-utc
[08:18] <Lathiat> 16:00 is midnight here
[08:18] <Lathiat> not tha ti care
[08:18] <Lathiat> whats this for anyway?
[08:18] <fabbione> dholbach: ok thanks..
[08:18] <jsgotangco> Community council
[08:19] <Lathiat> ah
[08:19] <jsgotangco> 16:00 isn't so bad its midnight
[08:19] <dholbach> mako: changed the times
[08:19] <jsgotangco> but the breezy meeting its 3am argghh
[08:19] <Lathiat> jsgotangco: where do you live?
[08:19] <Lathiat> same timezone as me. :)
[08:19] <jsgotangco> Lathiat, Manila
[08:20] <mako> dholbach: dholbach cool, thanks
[08:20] <Lathiat> wheres that?
[08:20] <Lathiat> im perth, western aust
[08:20] <mako> jsgotangco: we'll switch to better times for hte next meetings
[08:20] <jsgotangco> Lathiat, Manila, Philippines same timezone as Perth
[08:20] <Lathiat> yarr
[08:20] <Lathiat> bali too i think
[08:21] <Lathiat> and tiapai ior something
[08:21] <Lathiat> taipei?
[08:21] <jsgotangco> taipei, HK, malaysia, singapore, china, brunei i think
[08:25] <dennis__> libpython (which is what you get  when you compile python with --enable-shared) isn't anywhere in a seperate package, eh?
[08:26] <dholbach> every python2.x-dev has it
[08:27] <dholbach> erm... drop the "-dev"
[08:28] <dennis__> yea, i just found it with locate, i'm trying to follow these instructions but they have it all ind different places
[08:28] <dennis__> thanks though :-)
[08:28] <dholbach> dennis__: de rien... :-)
[08:29] <dennis__> the thing is i'm trying to assemble some instructions that can be executed for people who want to use open office's python plugin but i've never done anything like it before
[08:30] <dholbach> sounds like we need a OOo team :-)
[08:30] <dennis__> i would even be on it, i'm planing to do a lot of work with oo in the near future
[08:31] <dennis__> i want to write some plugins and stuff
[08:31] <dholbach> starting a team might be the best first step
[08:32] <dholbach> hey pitti 
[08:32] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:32] <pitti> Morning everybody
[08:32] <dennis__> dholbach, is that all the buearocratic stuff behind it ;-)
[08:32] <fabbione> pitti: should we spend sometime on hotplug?
[08:32] <fabbione> so that i can push the new kenrel in?
[08:33] <dholbach> dennis__: don't think so... but you have to be a bit in a pioneer atmosphere
[08:33] <dholbach> dennis__: i wrote a small Team Howto on the wiki
[08:33] <dennis__> dholbach, how likely is it that people would actually join me?
[08:34] <pitti> fabbione: yeah, would be nice to make it working soon
[08:34] <dennis__> because i myself know way to little about package maintainance to do all that
[08:34] <pitti> fabbione: here the problem is that sd_mod is not loaded automatically
[08:34] <fabbione> pitti: yeah.. should we focus a couple of hours on it?
[08:34] <pitti> yeah, in some minutes?
[08:34] <fabbione> pitti: let's make it 20?
[08:34] <pitti> ack
[08:34] <dholbach> dennis__: it depends on you, i guess you'd have to be patient in the early days of the team
[08:34] <fabbione> roger that
[08:35] <dholbach> dennis__: i suggest you talk to doko and haggai before
[08:35] <dennis__> where are the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PYTHONPATH defined?
[08:35] <pitti> fabbione: btw, your flu is better now?
[08:35] <pitti> fabbione: or, rather, worse, and you are better? :-)
[08:35] <dennis__> dholbach, are theey in here?
[08:35] <fabbione> pitti: i am still coughing a lot..
[08:35] <fabbione> pitti: but i will manage
[08:35] <dholbach> dennis__: they normally are, dunno if they're awake yet
[08:35] <dennis__> you guys are all in europe huh
[08:36] <fabbione> dennis__: no.. but EU is awake now
[08:36] <dholbach> dennis__: haggai and doko are
[08:36] <dennis__> ok ok
[08:36] <dennis__> it's almost midnight here
[08:39] <fabbione> bbl
[08:42] <dholbach> i'm off to uni - see you later
[08:43] <dholbach> dennis__: good luck
[08:44] <pitti> infinity: here?
[08:44] <infinity> pitti : Yes, but not overly coherent.  I'm trying to do things I know even retarded monkeys can do, for fear of screwing up if I try to do anything that requires brainpower.
[08:45] <infinity> pitti : In other words, The Flu still owns my soul.
[08:45] <dennis__> dholbach, ha uni sounds german, where is that howto
[08:45] <dennis__> i can't find it
[08:45] <pitti> infinity: uh, that's bad to hear
[08:46] <infinity> Less bad for you than for me, I suspect. :)
[08:46] <dholbach> dennis__: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeamHowto
[08:47] <ajmitch_> hi jbailey 
[08:47] <pitti> Hi jbailey 
[08:48] <jbailey> Heya Andrew, Martin, everyone. =)
[08:48] <fabbione> hey jbailey 
[08:49] <tfheen> Jeff :)
[08:51] <dholbach> bye
[08:59] <fabbione> pitti: ok i started some debugging
[08:59] <fabbione> apparently hotplug is not calling the scsi agent at all
[09:00] <crimsun> that would explain why a lot of people can't mount their usb "sticks"
[09:02] <pitti> Hi astharot 
[09:04] <pitti> Hey npmccallum 
[09:04] <pitti> npmccallum: I mailed you about pmount
[09:04] <npmccallum> pitti: yeah, I just got it
[09:05] <npmccallum> I was thinking it may be cool to have a pmount page with patches for the various apps... I've isolated patches for eject, gnome-vfs, etc that could go on there
[09:06] <fabbione> pitti: i think i found the problem
[09:07] <fabbione> pitti: but i don't understand why it was not triggered with the old hotplug
[09:07] <pitti> fabbione: I get " no runnable /etc/hotplug/module.agent is installed"
[09:08] <pitti> fabbione: btw, it works with the sid version
[09:09] <npmccallum> pitti: I'm going to bed, i'll email you tomorrow
[09:09] <fabbione> pitti: ah...
[09:10] <fabbione> there is no module.agent!
[09:10] <pitti> fabbione: right, but that error message is from the sid versino
[09:10] <pitti> fabbione: so it's probably harmless (you can probably add a module agent to do nonstandard things)
[09:10] <pitti> fabbione: I think I know where the error is
[09:11] <pitti> fabbione: /etc/hotplug/hotplug.functions -> sid does not use grepmap
[09:11] <fabbione> pitti: if i run scsi.agent manually, it errors out
[09:11] <pitti> fabbione: at least that's a significant difference
[09:11] <fabbione> hmm interesting
[09:12] <pitti> hmm, breezy version without grepmap still does not work
[09:13] <fabbione> i think the problem is hidden in scsi.rc/scsi.agent
[09:13] <fabbione> or better.. scsi.agent
[09:16] <fabbione> pitti: we need to look at usb.*
[09:17] <pitti> fabbione: btw, the diff between sid and breezy looks phearphully
[09:17] <pitti> fabbione: maybe this should be cleaned up, and our changes should be reapplied manually
[09:22] <pitti> Hallo mvo
[09:27] <mvo> hey pitti 
[09:27] <mvo> morning all
[09:28] <jsgotangco> hey
[09:32] <fabbione> pitti: it is really weird
[09:32] <fabbione> pitti: the scsi.* is never called
[09:38] <pitti> fabbione: HAHAHA, got it
[09:39] <fabbione> pitti: what was?
[09:39] <pitti> fabbione: look in /etc/hotplug/scsi.agent
[09:39] <pitti> fabbione: in the "case "$TYPE" in"... block, do s/MODULE/MODULES/
[09:40] <pitti> fabbione: then unplug and replug your USB stick
[09:40] <pitti> fabbione: it does:
[09:40] <pitti>     0)          TYPE=disk ; MODULE=sd_mod ;;
[09:40] <pitti> ...
[09:40] <pitti> but
[09:40] <pitti>     for MODULE in $MODULES; do
[09:40] <pitti> (later)
[09:40] <fabbione> yes i can see that
[09:40] <fabbione> hmmmm
[09:40] <pitti> fabbione: indeed
[09:41] <fabbione> so why was it working in hoary?
[09:41] <pitti> fabbione: I just took a look at the diff between sid and breezy
[09:41] <pitti> --- sid/etc/hotplug/scsi.agent  2005-04-07 18:37:22.000000000 +0200
[09:41] <pitti> +++ breezy/etc/hotplug/scsi.agent       2005-04-15 15:39:48.000000000 +0200
[09:41] <pitti> @@ -12,6 +12,12 @@
[09:41] <pitti> @@ -34,15 +40,15 @@
[09:41] <pitti>      read TYPE < $TYPE_ATTR
[09:41] <pitti>      case "$TYPE" in
[09:41] <pitti>      # 2.5.51 style attributes; <scsi/scsi.h> TYPE_* constants
[09:41] <pitti> -    0)         TYPE=disk ;     MODULES=sd_mod ;;
[09:41] <pitti> +    0)         TYPE=disk ; MODULE=sd_mod ;;
[09:41] <pitti>      # FIXME some tapes use 'osst' not 'st'
[09:41] <pitti> -    1)         TYPE=tape ;     MODULES=st ;;
[09:41] <pitti> +    1)         TYPE=tape ; MODULE=st ;;
[09:41] <pitti> fabbione: it seems that the name was changed in a later sid version, but the merging used the old name
[09:42] <fabbione> ah ok
[09:42] <fabbione> pitti: are you going to upload?
[09:42] <pitti> fabbione: besides, the diff is really messy
[09:42] <pitti> fabbione: I'd rather like to clean up the diff altogether
[09:42] <pitti> fabbione: yes, I can do that
[09:42] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. otherwise i can do it...
[09:42] <fabbione> up to you
[09:42] <pitti> fabbione: the current state will make further merges just harder
[09:42] <fabbione> you know how much workload you have
[09:42] <fabbione> make sense
[09:43] <pitti> fabbione: my workload is at 110%, as ever :-)
[09:43] <fabbione> pitti: ehhe same here
[09:43] <pitti> fabbione: btw, it seems that the only real diff is the grepmap addition and LSB
[09:44] <fabbione> pitti: i suggest we upload a simply fixed hotplug for today
[09:44] <fabbione> so i can unleash the kernel
[09:44] <pitti> fabbione: and clean up later?
[09:44] <fabbione> and we can cleanup later
[09:44] <pitti> okay, would work for me
[09:44] <fabbione> yes
[09:44] <pitti> fabbione: I want to see the new crack :-)
[09:45] <pitti> fabbione: btw, is there a bug for this?
[09:45] <fabbione> pitti: yes....
[09:45] <fabbione> i just can't remember the number
[09:45] <fabbione> but it was assigned either to udev or hotplug
[09:47] <pitti> fabbione: #9913?
[09:48] <pitti> fabbione: maybe also #10034
[09:48] <fabbione> specially so close to release, changing a build-dep of a core package such as X
[09:48] <fabbione> iops
[09:48] <fabbione> pitti: checking now
[09:49] <fabbione> pitti: 9913 for sure
[09:49] <seb128> pitti: speaking about new crack, dbus/hal ... waiting on daniels ?
[09:49] <pitti> fabbione: I ask the submitter of the other one anyway
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: yes, still; now I even need dbus 0.33 for hal 0.5.1
[09:49] <pitti> btw, good idea... daniels, here?
[09:50] <fabbione> pitti: looks about right for 10034
[09:51] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. tested here.. the fix works
[09:51] <pitti> thanks
[09:56] <pitti> fabbione: bah, that is soooo wrong; upstream uses MODULE (and no loop), then one patch in debian/patches changes the loop variable without changing the assignments, and another patch (which I did not yet find) finally corrects the assignments in Debian 
[09:56] <pitti> that package is a mess...
[09:56] <fabbione> pitti: no! really???
[09:56] <fabbione> ;)
[10:32] <jeld> hello all
[10:33] <seb128> elmo: evince (it Build-Depends on libdjvulibre-dev which is universe atm), seahorse from exp, file-roller exp syncs please
[10:33] <seb128> dholbach: !!
[10:33] <dholbach> re
[10:33] <dholbach> hey seb128 :-)
[10:33] <jeld> how can I specify which compiler to use when building a deb? Should I patch the Makefile.in or can I somehow tell debian/rules which one to use?
[10:34] <pitti> fabbione: fixing the patch would have made the package even messier, so I couldn't resist from cleaning up the package now; but I'm almost done :-)
[10:34] <pitti> Hi dholbach 
[10:34] <jeld> or is this a wrong channel to ask?
[10:35] <dholbach> hey pitti, koke! :-)
[10:35] <fabbione> pitti: eheh eok...
[10:35] <fabbione> pitti: i still need to find the kernel release name
[10:35] <fabbione> and i am done with this amount of crack
[10:35] <koke> hi all!
[10:35] <pitti> fabbione: the debdiff between Debian and Ubuntu looks reasonable now
[10:35] <fabbione> pitti: any suggestion?
[10:35] <pitti> fabbione: Carnivore Carrot *hehe*
[10:35] <fabbione> ahhaha
[10:35] <fabbione> something that explain that is pure crack
[10:36] <dholbach> jeld: can't you fix it to compile with the current compiler?
[10:36] <pitti> fabbione: Kracky Kernel
[10:37] <dholbach> pitti: "Krack" is reserved for KDE :-)
[10:37] <pitti> oh, right
[10:37] <fabbione> KDE Kernel?
[10:37] <fabbione> :)
[10:37] <jeld> dholbach, probably not, the build system is rather complicated and it needs g++-4.0
[10:37] <pitti> fabbione: OHOT, a meat eating carrot is crack enough...
[10:37] <pitti> OTOH, even
[10:37] <fabbione> i want to reserve the vegetables for hoary
[10:38] <fabbione> :)
[10:38] <dholbach> jeld: i suggest you wait for tonight's meeting - we'll discuss the proceedings of the C++ transition as well
[10:38] <jeld> dholbach, :)
[10:38] <hunger> dholbach: Is that a IRC meeting or something internal?
[10:38] <jeld> dholbach, trying to get wxWidgets/wxPython 2.6.0 packages to build
[10:39] <dholbach> #ubuntu-meeting as announced on the mailing list
[10:39] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[10:39] <hunger> dholbach: Oh, so I need to get onto the MLs as well...
[10:39] <dholbach> hunger: what ever you think you need :-)
[10:40] <dholbach> jeld: nice, so you'll be the new maintainer for it? :-)
[10:41] <jeld> dholbach, hopefully not, the package is complicated as hell and I am rather new to the whole package building scenery :)
[10:41] <dholbach> jeld: i can tell - i built it 3-4 times :-)
[10:41] <ogra> hi all
[10:41] <jeld> dholbach, the 2.6.0 version?
[10:41] <Treenaks> morning ogra 
[10:42] <dholbach> jeld: no... don't remember which one :-)
[10:42] <dholbach> hey ogra 
[10:42] <dholbach> hey Treenaks 
[10:42] <Treenaks> hi dholbach 
[10:43] <pitti> Hi ogra 
[10:45] <jeld> dholbach, OK, gotta catch some sleep, (5AM here) see you around, thanx for the help. BTW, will there be a meeting summary posted somewhere?
[10:45] <dholbach> jeld: i suppose so, at least irclogs will be on  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:46] <jeld> dholbach, cool
[10:46] <fabbione> something is really wrong with perl
[10:46] <dholbach> jeld: sleep tight
[10:46] <dholbach> fabbione: tell us something new :-)
[10:46] <fabbione> dholbach: no no.. i mean with the packing....
[10:47] <dholbach> ah... ok
[10:48] <astharot> ciao
[10:49] <fabbione> oh cute!
[10:49] <pitti> fabbione: Accepted hotplug 0.0.20040329-22ubuntu2 (source)
[10:49] <fabbione> perl is FTBFS on all arches other than sparc
[10:49] <fabbione> that makes sparc buildd not being able to install build-essential
[10:49] <fabbione> hence the mess
[10:49] <fabbione> pitti: yup... i saw the message :)
[10:50] <dholbach> poor doko
[10:55] <seb128_> elmo: evolution-webcal sync please
[10:56] <hunger> Could someone please update lvm2 to depend on libdevmapper1.01? Thanks!
[10:56] <Riddell> elmo: would you be able to set up a subversion archive on novo for kubuntu?
[10:58] <fabbione> hunger: does it break anything for you?
[10:59] <hunger> fabbione: Nope, but it is the only reason to have libdevmapper1.00 on the system.
[10:59] <hunger> fabbione: I'll write a low prio bugreport.
[10:59] <fabbione> hunger: there is no rush.. it will happen automatically
[11:00] <Burgundavia> there is some really odd stuff happening with 1.00
[11:01] <fabbione> Burgundavia: such as?
[11:02] <fabbione> if so, please open bugs....
[11:02] <hunger> fabbione: I guess there is a reason why someone made a bugfix release though. And since lvm is somewhat critical for me I'd like to have those.
[11:02] <Burgundavia> fabbione, not being built for breezy? Is that part of the changeover?
[11:02] <fabbione> Burgundavia: eh????
[11:02] <Burgundavia> not conflicting and thus being removed
[11:02] <Kamion> hunger: in case nobody answered, the reason g++ isn't 4.0 yet is that switching to 4.0 involves a complicated transition. We'll be doing it, but it's not something you "just do".
[11:02] <Burgundavia> fabbione, it is not in the breezy repos
[11:03] <Burgundavia> fabbione, and it did built, it is just not there
[11:03] <hunger> Kamion: Thanks for the info.
[11:03] <fabbione> Burgundavia: lvm is in the breezy repo.. otherwise i won't even be able to boot this workstation
[11:03] <Kamion> hunger: I wouldn't bother filing an lvm2 bug; it's already been updated but didn't build
[11:03] <Burgundavia> fabbione, libdevmapper1.00 is not the repo though
[11:03] <hunger> Kamion: Somebody pointed me to the plan on gcc 4.0 migration.
[11:03] <fabbione> no because it has been obsoleted by 1.01
[11:04] <fabbione> or whatever version
[11:04] <Burgundavia> fabbione, but 1.01 doesn't conflict with 1.00, so it is not being removed
[11:04] <fabbione> Burgundavia: it doesn't need to conflict...
[11:04] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/lvm2/2.01.04-5/lvm2_2.01.04-5_20050505-2204-i386-failed
[11:04] <hunger> fabbione: ... which can not get uninstalled ...
[11:04] <Kamion> hmm
[11:04] <Burgundavia> fabbione, but it being left as a locally installed package
[11:04] <fabbione> Kamion: it probably needs a kick back
[11:05] <hunger> fabbione: ... and thus has its start/stop scripts still around, so this is very noticable:-)
[11:05] <fabbione> Kamion: jb fixed libdevmapper and as a consequence we need lvm to be kicked
[11:05] <Kamion> libdevmapper1.00 has *init scripts*? in what universe?
[11:05] <fabbione> Burgundavia: dude.. there is really nothing bad in it. It is a few days transition.. live with that...
[11:05] <fabbione> otherwise run hoary
[11:05] <hunger> Kamion: Only in ubuntu...
[11:05] <Kamion> my god
[11:05] <Burgundavia> fabbione, am not concerned
[11:05] <Kamion> hunger: incorrect
[11:05] <fabbione> Kamion: eh???
[11:05] <hunger> Kamion: Never saw that before...
[11:05] <Burgundavia> fabbione, just wondering
[11:06] <fabbione> it's lvm2 that has init scripts
[11:06] <Kamion> hunger: it's unchanged from Debian to Ubuntu
[11:06] <Kamion> fabbione: apparently not
[11:06] <fabbione> Burgundavia: there is nothing to be worried about
[11:06] <Kamion> -rwxr-xr-x root/root      1303 2005-02-20 15:56:19 ./etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.01
[11:06] <Burgundavia> fabbione, didn't think so
[11:06] <fabbione> oh god
[11:07] <Kamion> at least it's got a versioned name :-) it looks pretty harmless anyway
[11:07] <fabbione> Kamion: ahaha
[11:07] <chmj> hahaha
[11:08] <hunger> Kamion: It is.
[11:08] <Kamion> is what?
[11:09] <chmj> doko, ping 
[11:09] <hunger> Kamion: it is not critical.
[11:09] <Kamion> oh, right
[11:21] <Kamion> elmo: hm, would it make sense for me to move the report-only britney run to rookery?
[11:22] <Kamion> elmo: then (a) we have less code running on jackass (b) it's easier for me to control exactly what gets output from the britney run (c) we don't have this strange "run in one place, mirror to another" thing
[11:24] <elmo> Kamion: um, I guess.  main problem with that is that rookery is only updated 4 times a day or so
[11:24] <elmo> I could update it more often but then we get into locking/needing-triggered issues, not to mention the increased load on either jackass or syncproxy
[11:24] <ogra> oh, elmo
[11:24] <Kamion> hmm, ok, that would be an issue
[11:25] <ogra> elmo, could you push gtk-sharp out of dep-wait.... (with furry gloves) to have it built on amd64 now that mono is there ?
[11:25] <Kamion> elmo: in that case could I just have s/hoary/breezy/ on line 78 of /srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/testing/britney please?
[11:26] <Kamion> I might do a universe-only britney run on rookery at some point - it's probably ok for that only to be updated four times a day
[11:27] <elmo> Kamion: sure, that's probably a good plan, all the other stuff you mentioned is god
[11:27] <elmo> good too
[11:27] <elmo> but I definitely want a britney I can AYTY like mad close to release time
[11:27] <fabbione> hey elmo
[11:28] <fabbione> elmo: i am not sure you read the messages from bugzilla, but i was asking for info on the nosmp/noapci bug you filed a while ago....
[11:28] <elmo> kamdion: done
[11:28] <fabbione> elmo: when you have time, can you kindly check it again?
[11:28] <elmo> fabbione: yes, sorry, I keep forgetting that.  to reproduce, I really need to do it on one of the machines with less than ideal remote management capabilites.  I'll do it next time in London (which'll be this week)
[11:28] <Kamion> elmo: ta
[11:29] <fabbione> elmo: i know.. that's why i didn't rush.. i just noticed your comments on the fact that it happened at the DC and that you lost the message in bugzilla noise... hence the local ping ;)
[11:29] <fabbione> elmo: just let me know when you are there, so we can take a look at it together
[11:30] <elmo> fabbione: k, cool
[11:30] <Burgundavia> mjg59, is that news?
[11:31] <Treenaks> mjg59: \o/
[11:31] <Burgundavia> mjg59, what about this time?
[11:31] <elmo> ogra: err..
[11:31] <ogra> elmo, ?
[11:32] <elmo> ogra: it's not in dep-wait, it's in P-a-s
[11:32] <ogra> P-a-s ?
[11:32] <elmo> Packages-arch-specific
[11:32] <mjg59> Laptop support
[11:32] <ogra> whoops..
[11:33] <elmo> ogra: is it urgent?  if not, could you mail lamont?  he can deal with it
[11:33] <ogra> elmo, i'll do, its not urgent...
[11:33] <infinity> elmo : Does Ubuntu sync Debian's P-a-s?
[11:33] <elmo> infinity: yes
[11:33] <elmo> fairly manually, but yes
[11:34] <infinity> Ahh, and oh.
[11:34] <elmo> Debian's p-a-s has some trigger happy committers, so I like to eyeball the diff before applying them
[11:36] <seb128> elmo: hey. Did you read my sync request or should I repeat now? :)
[11:37] <elmo> seb128: I think I did them all
[11:37] <seb128> cool, thanks
[11:37] <seb128> atk1.0 from exp too
[11:38] <Riddell> elmo: would you be able to set up a subversion archive on novo for kubuntu?
[11:38] <seb128> "breezy upload"? what kind of change is that?
[11:38] <elmo> Riddell: yeah, if you want?
[11:39] <Riddell> elmo: yes please
[11:39] <Riddell> seb128: an upload to breezy, what else would you like it to say?
[11:40] <seb128> is that any change, or you just reupload the same version from anywhere else ? :)
[11:40] <Riddell> no changes
[11:42] <Kamion> elmo: hmm, still didn't work
[11:42] <Kamion> elmo: please insert 'mkdir ${a}' at line 79 of britney
[11:42] <fabbione> where is doko?????
[11:43] <Kamion> elmo: er actually mkdir -p ${a}, I guess
[11:44] <elmo> Kamion: done
[11:44] <elmo> and rerun, looks happier
[11:46] <Kamion> elmo: you will need that to be mkdir -p or it'll fail on the next run
[11:46] <Kamion> (since the script is set -e and mkdir exits on already-exists)
[11:46] <Kamion> s/exits/errors/
[11:46] <elmo> details
[11:47] <elmo> (fixed)
[11:47] <Kamion> mirrored
[11:47] <fabbione> elmo: can you bless 2.6.12 please?
[11:47] <Kamion> yep, looks good now, thanks
[11:47] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html <- get fixing people
[11:48] <fabbione> Kamion: neat.. can you get sparc there too?
[11:48] <Kamion> mdz would not like that
[11:48] <Kamion> that'll go in the universe-only run, I imagine
[11:48] <Kamion> or the main+universe run, whatever
[11:49] <fabbione> uh? i am not sure i understand... i am not asking for universe :)
[11:49] <fabbione> Kamion: but ok.. i trust your judgement :)
[11:50] <fabbione> or create a separate page for the unofficial arches?
[11:50] <fabbione> Binaries from ndiswrapper 1.1-4 cannot be installed:
[11:51] <fabbione> this will disappear with the new kernel
[11:52] <TheMuso> Installs and removes fine here.
[11:52] <Kamion> fabbione: mdz explicitly asked me not to include ia64
[11:52] <Kamion> fabbione: I imagine sparc is in precisely the same boat
[11:53] <fabbione> Kamion: i understand.. can we get a similar report for unofficial arches?
[11:53] <Kamion> fabbione: yes, I will (eventually) do a britney run over main+universe for all architectures
[11:53] <Kamion> as I said above
[11:53] <fabbione> Kamion: i would really like to see only main as a start
[11:53] <fabbione> otherwise it gets confusing
[11:53] <fabbione> specially because i don't have all of universe builded
[11:54] <Kamion> maybe I'll do multiple runs then; whatever
[11:54] <Kamion> the details aren't important to me
[11:55] <fabbione> Kamion: sure.. i don't need the same frequencies as the main arches
[11:55] <fabbione> if the load can be an issue, just make it once every N runs for the main arches...
[11:55] <fabbione> i really don't mind
[11:55] <Kamion> it's on my to-do list
[11:55] <fabbione> even if it would have shown some interesting things...
[11:55] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks :)
[11:56] <fabbione> like perl did build on sparc (killing the buildd) but didn't on all the other arches ;)
[11:56] <svenl> mmm, is growisofs supposed to be working out of the box on DVD-R and powerbooks ? 
[11:59] <svenl> sven@tael:~/archive$ growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=archive.iso
[11:59] <svenl> Executing 'builtin_dd if=archive.iso of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0'
[11:59] <svenl> :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/ASC=73h/ACQ=03h] : Input/output error
[12:01] <svenl> This sounds like the infamous DVD burning bug which has plagued us since 2.6.8 :/
[12:01] <fabbione> Kamion: do you have d-i upload in the queue for today?
[12:01] <Kamion> fabbione: not at the moment
[12:01] <elmo> fabbione: what's with the -1.1 version?
[12:02] <fabbione> elmo: eh... 
[12:02] <Kamion> elmo: actually, speaking of, the first d-i byhand for breezy would be good to have
[12:02] <fabbione>   * IMPORTANT! Debian version change meaning to:
[12:02] <fabbione>     <upstream-version>-<abinumber>.<debversion> so that this release will look
[12:02] <fabbione>     like: 2.6.11.91-1.1.
[12:02] <fabbione> elmo: that's an outcome of specs
[12:02] <elmo> eww
[12:02] <elmo> it looks like an NMU
[12:02] <Kamion> oh, you're going to want me to switch the installer to 2.6.11 ...
[12:02] <fabbione> but it's not...
[12:02] <fabbione> Kamion: no!
[12:02] <fabbione> not yet
[12:02] <Kamion> ok
[12:03] <fabbione> i was going to ask if you could remove the need of usb-modules for sparc, but since 2.6.12 is doomed on sparc anyway, there is no point in spending time on d-i
[12:03] <fabbione> i will rather prefer to create the appropriate udeb
[12:05] <fabbione> Kamion: we will switch d-i to use 2.6.12 in the short future.. i have 2.6.12rc4 to get out first
[12:05] <fabbione> that is also supposed to fix all the ppc sleep/wakeup problems
[12:05] <seb128> elmo: evince doesn't build due to djvulibre/universe, that's going to be autofixed ?
[12:07] <doko> good morning all
[12:07] <dholbach> hey doko
[12:07] <fabbione> doko: hey dude
[12:07] <fabbione> doko: perl 5.8.6-6 :)
[12:08] <ogra> hey doko 
[12:09] <doko> fabbione: we do have 5.8.6?
[12:09] <fabbione> doko: the last upload you did...
[12:09] <fabbione> it is FTBFS on all arches != sparc
[12:09] <fabbione> and without _all.deb (from i386) you just killed the sparc buildd in its daily dist-upgrade :)
[12:10] <doko> 5.8.4-8, what did you drink last night?
[12:10] <fabbione> yeah 5.8.4
[12:10] <fabbione> that one
[12:11] <doko> ok, I'll look.
[12:11] <fabbione> thanks
[12:11] <fabbione> it fails on a test..
[12:11] <doko> dholbach: what's that about OOo and python?
[12:11] <doko> chmj: pong
[12:17] <elmo> seb128: hum.
[12:18] <seb128> what?
[12:19] <elmo> tseng: ?
[12:28] <dholbach> doko: dennis__ wanted to add some OO.o-python-plugin-crack and i sent him to you and haggai
[12:31] <pitti> elmo: gimp-print sync, please
[12:31] <elmo> pitti: can you once over dvjulibre for promotion to main?
[12:31] <pitti> elmo: sure
[12:32] <seb128> pitti: djvulibre 
[12:32] <elmo> tnx
[12:43] <pitti> elmo: I'm not sure whether djvulibre-plugin actually works with FireFox and orig.tar.gz has debian/ files; but otherwise, security & bug history and packaging is fine for me
[12:44] <elmo> pitti: thanks
[12:44] <elmo> seb128: done
[12:45] <seb128> elmo, pitti: thanks
[12:53] <fabbione> elmo: is there any problem with katie mails? i didn't get any Accepted message for the kernel
[12:54] <elmo> I haven't processed it yet
[12:54] <fabbione> ah ok
[12:54] <elmo> To: fabbione@ubuntu.com (Fabio M. Di Nitto)
[12:55] <elmo> tho that probably broke exim
[12:55] <elmo> er, postfix, whatevs
[12:56] <fabbione> meh.. i didn't change anything in the way i build the source...
[12:56] <elmo> May  9 10:45:48 fiordland postfix/smtp[12348] : 0DA08B6800C: to=<fabbione@fabbione.net>, orig_to=<fabbione@ubuntu.com>, relay=smtp.fabbione.net[212.242.141.114] ,
[12:56] <elmo>  delay=0, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 64AC043A3)
[12:56] <fabbione> danke
[12:56] <elmo> never mind, that doesn't break it.. AFAICS, the NEW message got sent fine
[12:57] <fabbione> yes.. i got the NEW
[01:00] <dholbach> bbl
[01:00] <fabbione> elmo: once you are it... you can kill linux-source-2.6.11
[01:10] <Amaranth> Who is Johan Svedberg?
[01:13] <Lathiat> your worst nightmare
[01:14] <Lathiat> (read: i have no idea and am being a useless git)
[01:18] <tseng> elmo: hm i think i said beagle was good to clear new now, we held it back for hoary
[01:18] <elmo> tseng: can you fix the copyright file, pls?
[01:18] <tseng> sure.
[01:19] <elmo> if it's not a license in base-files, it needs to be included in full in the copyright file
[01:20] <tseng> alright.
[01:32] <Amaranth> Well, whoever it is they're awesome
[01:33] <Amaranth> blam! 1.8.0 just got released today and it's already in universe
[01:33] <tseng> that was me.
[01:33] <Amaranth> oh, that's the debian maintainer?
[01:33] <tseng> yes
[01:33] <Amaranth> btw, did you figure out the tomboy icon stuff?
[01:34] <tseng> no I went on to other things
[01:34] <Amaranth> ah
[01:34] <Amaranth> if i knew more about packaging and C# i'd work on a patch
[01:35] <tseng> ill get back to it at some point
[01:35] <tseng> i wish upstream would loose the lame tintin icon
[01:36] <zul> you dont like tintin?!?
[01:36] <tseng> *hate* tintin
[01:36] <zul> omfg
[01:36] <tseng> besides being undistributable
[01:37] <zul> i love tintin
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> haha tintin
[01:38] <zul> first comic book i had
[01:38] <tseng> elmo: done.
[01:38] <zul> well maybe second...asterix is the first ones
[01:40] <fabbione> elmo: can you please make a breezy chroot on halley and make breezy the default chroot on davis?
[02:02] <seb128> daniels: new dbus for soon?
[02:03] <daniels> seb128: in the morning, need to go to bed now for breezy kickoff meeting
[02:03] <seb128> k
[02:03] <seb128> just trying to plan for gnome-vfs
[02:03] <daniels> indeed, will do that now.  night all.
[02:03] <daniels> sure :)
[02:03] <seb128> 'night daniels 
[02:06] <jdub> morning
[02:06] <ogra> hey jdub
[02:07] <seb128> jdub: you have a broken timezone again :)
[02:07] <jdub> i always say good morning ;)
[02:08] <seb128> oh, k
[02:08] <seb128> morning so :)
[02:08] <marty> someone in #ubuntu has a broken sound card detection on LiveCD - this locks up gnome when it loads - how do you prevent gnome from requireing esound when it loads
[02:08] <ogra> jdub, boring sunday afternoon packaging: http://www.grawert.net/divifund_0.62-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:09] <seb128> what's this ?
[02:09] <ogra> http://www.divifund.com/http://www.divifund.com/
[02:09] <ogra> oops
[02:09] <ogra> http://www.divifund.com/
[02:09] <jdub> ogra: oh dude, great stuff! :)
[02:09] <ogra> :)
[02:10] <jdub> universe, universe! :)
[02:10] <ogra> yeah
[02:10] <seb128> have you tried grisbi ? :)
[02:10] <jdub> seb128: it has more bugs than paris! ;)
[02:11] <seb128> roh 
[02:12] <ogra> heh
[02:13] <jdub> ah, it was great to see you all again
[02:13] <jdub> all in my own city :-)
[02:13] <ogra> yeah, it was totally great :)
[02:14] <jdub> let's do it again next week!
[02:15] <ogra> yeah, but lets extend the weekends by two days then... for the traveling
[02:15] <jdub> thom: how's networkmanager doing atm?
[02:16] <jdub> (upstream that is, not necessarily in ubuntu)
[02:16] <jdub> oh hey
[02:16] <jdub> a dbus daemon that controls dhclient instead of internalised crack
[02:16] <jdub> excellent
[02:17] <Nafallo> hehe, my gf and I look at pictures from Mataro.
[02:17] <ogra> oh, seb128 did you see, serpentine has a new releas, so its not dead :)
[02:17] <Amaranth> jdub: what's that?
[02:17] <Nafallo> she sees mako and says: Oh! So tasty.
[02:17] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:17] <ogra> heh
[02:18] <ogra> dont let her hold his passport ;)
[02:18] <thom> yeah, i need to package dhcpdbd
[02:18] <Nafallo> ogra: lol
[02:18] <jdub> Amaranth: a change in the NM infrastructure
[02:18] <seb128> ogra: I've uploaded it to universe
[02:18] <seb128> ogra: but it doesn't work for me
[02:19] <ogra> oh ?
[02:20] <jdub> thom: hrm, discussion about bluetooth support in NM too
[02:21] <thom> yes, not much of a discussion, it ended up "screw you hippies i'm doing my own thing"
[02:21] <jdub> ah, vpn support too
[02:21] <thom> vpn support is old news
[02:22] <jdub> geez the 'hatters are smoking the dbus crack *hard*
[02:22] <thom> ogra: not in NM; it's totally out of scope
[02:22] <jdub> thom: reading the list in reverse for the first time in ages :)
[02:22] <ogra> thom, i know....
[02:22] <ogra> thom, thats why i was mumbling silently in my nonexistent beard ;
[02:22] <thom> ogra: *g*
[02:23] <thom> i really need to do something sensible with doc-base
[02:35] <ogra> seb128, i think you missed my question yesterday, i'm switching evonotify to dbus and python, do you know of a list of evo dbus messages anywhere ?
[02:36] <lamont> ogra: what all mono packages should have amd64 added to them?  There are several
[02:37] <seb128> ogra: no idea
[02:37] <ogra> lamont, yep, snice 1.1.6 we have full mono love on amd64 :)
[02:37] <lamont> gtk-sharp lasso mcs mod-mono mono blam f-spot libgdiplus monodevelop muine prj2make-sharp
[02:37] <lamont> ogra: sorry, s/what all/which/
[02:38] <seb128> ogra: maybe you can look on http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/em-panel-applet_0.2.orig.tar.gz, that's the stuff sent on the upstream mailing list to display a notify icon when they get a dbus message
[02:38] <ogra> i think f-spot and monodevelop have to wait, but the rest runs fine here (with locally compiled deps)
[02:38] <ogra> seb128, thanks, looking at it
[02:38] <seb128> np
[02:39] <Amaranth> Don't you need monodevelop 0.7 if you want to run it on the 1.1.x versions?
[02:39] <zul> heh...not going to happen :)
[02:40] <seb128> ?
[02:40] <seb128> why?
[02:40] <ogra> Amaranth, might be.. i just tried to testcompile everything mono related on amd64 this weekend... these two failed
[02:40] <seb128> why not uploading for non amd64? :)
[02:40] <lamont> ogra: done
[02:40] <ogra> yay
[02:41] <lamont> elmo: feel free to move to 1.564
[02:54] <elmo> tseng: don't you need to update the build-depends to include amd64?
[03:10] <jdub> fabbione: rock!
[03:11] <ogra> BEAGLE !!
[03:11] <thom> ogra: which one are you trying?
[03:11] <ogra> thom, from p.u.c
[03:11] <thom> don't
[03:12] <thom> i should delete those packages for the time being
[03:12] <ogra> thom, it doesnt like that my pcmcia card neither provides vendor_id nor product_id
[03:12] <ogra> thom, are there others already ?
[03:13] <mjg59> ogra: Uh. How does your card not produce those?
[03:13] <mjg59> ogra: Without them, the pcmcia system can't bind a driver to it
[03:13] <ogra> mjg59, dunno... i geuu its my cipset...
[03:13] <ogra> guess even
[03:13] <mjg59> No...
[03:13] <mjg59> Is this PCMCIA or Cardbus?
[03:13] <thom> ogra: not yet, no
[03:14] <ogra> mjg59, HAL says cardbus
[03:14] <mjg59> ogra: And lspci doesn't give it product or vendor ids?
[03:14] <ogra> mjg59, 2.6.12 is the first kernel that even shows them in HAL ..... with hoary i only have the cardbus but not the cards
[03:15] <mjg59> cardbus devices just appear as PCI
[03:15] <ogra> yep, i see the controller
[03:15] <mjg59> hotplug couldn't have loaded a driver without there device/vendor ids
[03:15] <ogra> but not the two cards in there 
[03:15] <mjg59> Then they're not cardbus
[03:16] <mjg59> (It's still hal's fault)
[03:16] <ogra> one is a ide controller (cardreader) it automounts just fine...
[03:16] <mjg59> Does the card have a lumpy gold ridge at the top of the connector?
[03:16] <ogra> but doesnt show up anywhere :)
[03:16] <mjg59> Or is it flat and silver?
[03:17] <ogra> flat and silver i think
[03:17] <mjg59> That's PCMCIA, not Cardbus
[03:17] <ogra> (cant look at the connector without unplugging my net)
[03:17] <mjg59> You've got a cardbus bridge with PCMCIA cards in (which is perfectly normal)
[03:17] <ogra> ok
[03:17] <mjg59> HAL's probably just being inadequate
[03:17] <ogra> lets see what 0.5.1 will say...
[03:18] <ogra> (i think its ready before wednesday)
[03:19] <jdub> fabbione: oh dude, so much goodness in this changelog
[03:19] <jdub> fabbione: inotify still off by default?
[03:19] <jdub> *so* *much* *goodness*
[03:19] <zul> jdub: nope
[03:20] <jdub> oh, hey zul 
[03:20] <jdub> zul: rocking!
[03:20] <zul> yep...havent had any problems with inotify...yet :)
[03:20] <elmo> ogra: pardon?
[03:21] <ogra> elmo, nearly :) * Welcome to JaneW as our new name release manager that kindly offered
[03:21] <ogra>    volunteer to find nuts names for our kernel.
[03:22] <ogra> fabbione, is ndiswrapper compiled with amd64 support this time ?
[03:24] <jdub> subversion depends on libruby...
[03:24] <jdub> via libswig
[03:24] <elmo> jdub: we lost the fight against ruby a while ago
[03:25] <elmo> s/while/long while/
[03:29] <JaneW> did someone call me?
[03:30] <jdub> JaneW: your ears are burning? :)
[03:30] <JaneW> yes
[03:30] <JaneW> yes
[03:30] <jdub> you found us :-)
[03:30] <chmj> O.O
[03:31] <ogra> yeah
[03:31] <ogra> meh, beagle doesnt compile....
[03:31] <ogra> tseng, is the mono-mint dependency still needed anywhere ?
[03:31] <Amaranth> I wonder if that manno.name repo has source
[03:31] <jdub> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004333.html
[03:31] <jdub> ^ rapture
[03:32] <tritium> good morning!
[03:32] <Amaranth> jdub: yay!
[03:32] <Amaranth> jdub: so we'll get getting 2.6.12 kernels in breezy soon?
[03:32] <jdub> as soon as they build
[03:32] <Amaranth> yay!
[03:33] <Amaranth> do they have inotify? :)
[03:33] <pitti> yes
[03:33] <seb128> does that crash when gamin starts ? :p
[03:33] <jdub> read through the whole changelog dude
[03:33] <jdub> so much love
[03:33] <jdub> seb128: no ;-)
[03:33] <seb128> nice :)
[03:33] <Amaranth> oh, there's a changelog
[03:34] <elmo> seb128: have you decided what to do about gtk2-engines-industrial?
[03:34] <elmo> I'm reluctant to remove the old binary
[03:34] <seb128> jdub: pool/main/e/evince/evince_0.3.0-2_i386.deb
[03:34] <seb128> jdub: you don't use i386 ?
[03:35] <seb128> elmo: not yet, I think I'll make gtk-engines2 build it again
[03:36] <elmo> ok
[03:36] <jdub> libdjvulibre1 <- wtf?
[03:36] <seb128> jdub: evince has "djvu" support now
[03:37] <jdub> heh
[03:37] <chmj> heh 
[03:37] <elmo> it's some funky image format
[03:37] <seb128> just read the discription for libdjvulibre1
[03:37] <jdub> seb128: yeah, highly enlightening (not!)
[03:37] <ogra> hmmm, beagled didnt crash yet....
[03:38] <Treenaks> ogra: wow
[03:38] <ogra> Treenaks, its strange, i'm not used to that :)
[03:38] <seb128> jdub: oh, the lib description is bong
[03:38] <seb128> jdub: read for libdjvulibre-dev
[03:38] <elmo> haha
[03:39] <elmo> there's something very wrong about seb128 using jdub-isms
[03:39] <ogra> heh
[03:39] <seb128> elmo: jdub-isms is like mao, you have to guess how it works :)
[03:39] <jdub> seb128: aha!
[03:39] <jdub> seb128: hahahaha
[03:39] <jdub> oh man
[03:39] <jdub> dude
[03:39] <jdub> wow
[03:39] <seb128> ;)
[03:39] <jdub> new evince is *very* impressive
[03:39] <seb128> right
[03:40] <seb128> the continuous mode rocks
[03:40] <jdub> and it's fast again
[03:40] <elmo> does evince do everything xpdf does now?
[03:40] <seb128> elmo: yep
[03:40] <elmo> I notice xpdf is scheduled for demotion to universe
[03:40] <jdub> whoa
[03:40] <seb128> evince is impressive
[03:41] <jdub> needs some scaled scrollbar loving though for long documents
[03:41] <Treenaks> seb128: yeah, it's amazingly fast
[03:41] <jdub> elmo: xpdf will be DEAD AS A DOORNAIL
[03:41] <seb128> hehe
[03:42] <ogra> jdub, but, but... the beautiful interface.... i could theme it with a xft hack :)
[03:42] <seb128> pitti: works fine for you too now ? :)
[03:42] <ogra> heh
[03:42] <pitti> seb128: no idea, didn't try it ye
[03:42] <pitti> tr
[03:43] <jdub> seb128: we should change the seeds now
[03:43] <seb128> jdub: that's already changed for weeks
[03:44] <Amaranth> DjVu looks cool
[03:44] <elmo> jdub: dude, don't make me bring out the esound kitten compactor quote
[03:45] <seb128> rofl
[03:45] <Amaranth> haha, evince credits are messed up
[03:45] <Amaranth> written by many, documented by no so many
[03:45] <Amaranth> err, not
[03:46] <jdub> elmo: that was very sad :|
[03:46] <jdub> elmo: but polypaudio has a new maintainer
[03:46] <pitti> seb128: hmm, can we automatically teach ffox to use evince instead of xpdf when you click on a PDF?
[03:46] <jdub> who has fixed scadloads of the really bad bugs
[03:46] <jdub> and lives fairly nearby, so i can hassle him very easily :)
[03:47] <seb128> pitti: that's a question for thom, I don't touch to firefox :)
[03:47] <pitti> oh, right
[03:47] <Lathiat> jdub: who?
[03:47] <jdub> pitti: we need firefox/gnome-vfs mime integration patches, or we need to do some mailcap/gnome-vfs mime synchronisation (which we should do anyway)
[03:47] <jdub> Lathiat: erik
[03:49] <pitti> seb128: it still takes minutes to compute previews, but at least now evince remains responsive
[03:49] <seb128> cool
[03:49] <pitti> seb128: I greatly miss the space key, there is no way to scroll through the whole document page-wise
[03:50] <pitti> seb128: otherwise it looks fine
[03:50] <seb128> page down
[03:50] <seb128> does that, no ?
[03:50] <pitti> no
[03:50] <pitti> seb128: page down displays the next page, not the next unseen part of the current page
[03:50] <seb128> it does here, or I don't understand what you try to do
[03:50] <seb128> oh, right
[03:50] <pitti> seb128: at full zoom I can only see the upper half of a page
[03:51] <pitti> seb128: pretty much all unix programs support the space key which shows the next unseen screenful
[03:51] <seb128> probably easy to fix, no doubt that will be fixed
[03:51] <pitti> seb128: but that shouldn't be too hard to add
[03:51] <seb128> I'll take care of getting that done :)
[03:51] <pitti> exactly :-)
[03:51] <pitti> you rock
[03:51] <seb128> thanks ;)
[03:51] <pitti> seb128: btw, "pmount /dev/sda2" works now
[03:52] <pitti> seb128: the exciting part: this partition is encrypted :-)
[03:52] <seb128> oh cool
[03:52] <fabbione> ogra: no ndis for amd64 yet
[03:52] <jdub> mmm, new utopia crack
[03:52] <ogra> fabbione, why ? 
[03:52] <jdub> pitti: migrated to latest dbus api?
[03:53] <fabbione> ogra: source problems...
[03:53] <pitti> jdub: for pmount-hal, yes
[03:53] <ogra> ah, ok
[03:53] <pitti> jdub: also for g-v-m 
[03:53] <fabbione> ogra: hadn't the time to figure out the best way to handle it yet.
[03:53] <jdub> noice
[03:53] <pitti> jdub: but not yet for gnome-vfs
[03:53] <ogra> fabbione, ok..
[03:53] <fabbione> ogra: unfortunatly ndis creates files at build time
[03:53] <fabbione> ogra: that the kernel make system can't do yet
[03:53] <fabbione> so i need to pre-generate them
[03:54] <fabbione> and either i generate amd64 or i386
[03:54] <ogra> fabbione, i think its only for broadcom so far.... so its not really urgent....
[03:54] <fabbione> humpf.. only 18K of changelog?
[03:54] <fabbione> next time i have to be more anal
[03:54] <zul> nooooooo..
[03:55] <ogra> the new blam crashes on amd64 ... :(
[03:56] <Amaranth> ogra: tell tseng 
[03:58] <elmo> anyone here care about cyrus-sasl or linc?
[03:59] <Kamion> elmo: thanks for the byhands
[04:00] <elmo> Kamion: np, sorry it took so long
[04:00] <Kamion> no worries
[04:00] <ogra> seb128, ?? ^^^
[04:01] <chmj> jdub, ping 
[04:02] <seb128> ogra: context?
[04:02] <seb128> ogra: contaxt?
[04:02] <seb128> context even
[04:02] <seb128> ie: arch? what's wrong with it?
[04:02] <ogra> seb128, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vte/
[04:02] <ogra> seb128, its missing
[04:02] <seb128> it's not
[04:03] <ogra> but libvte4 and libvte-dev built fine
[04:03] <ogra> seb128, there is no  libvte-common_0.11.13-2ubuntu1
[04:03] <seb128> that's a question for elmo or lamont 
[04:03] <seb128> yeah, but on i386 that's fine :p
[04:04] <ogra> amd64 needs it for gtt-sharp it seems
[04:04] <ogra> gtk-sharp even
[04:04] <seb128> elmo, lamont: the arch: all packages come from the first arch to build ?
[04:04] <seb128> or from i3
[04:04] <seb128> i386 even
[04:04] <Kamion> i386
[04:04] <seb128> k, so that's it
[04:05] <seb128> thanks Kamion 
[04:05] <elmo> seb128: from i386
[04:05] <seb128> just wait on a i386 build :)
[04:05] <elmo> (iz in queue/accepted)
[04:05] <seb128> hum
[04:05] <seb128> vte i386 is built since this morning
[04:05] <seb128> cool, thanks elmo 
[04:07] <elmo> oh, meh, cron.daily broke
[04:07] <fabbione> elmo: amen!
[04:10] <tritium> jdub, can I bug you for that url to the financial software you gave yesterday when gnucash was mentioned?
[04:11] <tseng|work> divifund
[04:11] <tseng|work> ogra has debs
[04:11] <tritium> tseng|work, ah, thanks
[04:11] <tseng|work> you can be his first tester
[04:12] <ogra> tritium, www.grawert.net/divifund_0.62-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:12] <tritium> ogra, thanks, I'll check it out
[04:16] <abelli> fabbione: ce sei?
[04:17] <abelli> hello everybody
[04:17] <fabbione> no
[04:17] <fabbione> i am heading off for a little while
[04:17] <fabbione> i will be around this evening
[04:17] <abelli> fabbione: ah ok, have a good afternoon then ..
[04:18] <abelli> that sparc is 32 bit ..grrr.
[04:19] <elmo> cron.daily should unblock now, with any luck
[04:27] <JaneW> bye all, see you at the Breezy meeting later
[04:29] <ogra> bye JaneW 
[04:36] <Amaranth> that's 5 1/2 hours from now, right?
[04:36] <Lathiat> yeah
[04:43] <tseng|work> seb128: just fyi im working on a gst-plugins-multiverse0.8 package with faac, faad and lame. ill give you a chance to look at it before uploading
[04:44] <seb128> tseng|work: rock ;)
[04:44] <Lathiat> i spy with my little eye
[04:44] <Lathiat> beagle and new kernel uploads
[04:44] <tseng|work> beagle is ftbfs until i get home
[04:44] <tseng|work> im a tool.
[04:45] <Lathiat> well
[04:45] <Lathiat> getting there
[04:45] <Lathiat> thats what counts. :)
[04:46] <Lathiat> is there a mailing list that can tell me when packages build and get accepted into the archives?
[04:46] <tseng|work> mm kernel has new ipw2200 drivers
[04:47] <Lathiat> woo
[04:47] <Lathiat> mine keep crashing
[04:47] <tseng|work> nope just breezy-changes
[04:47] <Lathiat> when i shut my lid
[04:47] <tseng|work> and ~/lamont
[04:47] <Lathiat> i.e. interrupt issues with xset dpms force off
[04:47] <tseng|work> BUT
[04:47] <Lathiat> and its annoying
[04:47] <tseng|work> we got packages.ubuntu.com to link to the buildLogs
[04:47] <tseng|work> you can go that way
[04:47] <Lathiat> cool thanks
[04:47] <tseng|work> once its built it should be in archive w/i 30 minutes or so
[04:47] <seb128> or apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:48] <seb128> so you see what arrives for your box :)
[04:48] <Lathiat> seb128: but that wouldnt pick up say the kernel upgrade going in
[04:48] <Lathiat> seb128: and i do that like.. far too often. :>
[04:48] <Lathiat> i feel like im addicted to updates or something. :>
[04:48] <seb128> perhaps you should find some stuff to do out of polling for upgrades ? :p
[04:48] <seb128> what about some bug triage .. :)
[04:48] <ogra>  yeah
[04:49] <Lathiat> bleh
[04:49] <Lathiat> i have a hard enough time getting myself to hack on things i hacking on. :P)
[04:49] <tseng|work> ah so we have inotify .23 in breezy
[04:49] <tseng|work> I can test gamin tonight too.
[04:51] <tseng|work> there are logs in ~/.beagle btw
[04:51] <tseng|work> #dashboard/gimpnet is pretty helpful
[04:51] <tseng|work> trow, joe, or dsd
[04:52] <ogra> hmm, i guess its a dbus thing.... 05-05-09 16.50.02.18 12759 IndexH DEBUG: Couldn't acquire d-bus service 'com.novell.BeagleIndexHelper'
[04:52] <tseng|work> oh, yes
[04:52] <tseng|work> thats a regular problem, d-bus cant handle the sheer load of beagle
[04:52] <ogra> we are still running the hoary version... lets wait until daniels ships the new one
[04:52] <tseng|work> they are moving to serialized xml over a socket instead
[04:53] <tseng|work> in the next release
[04:53] <ogra> sounds cool
[04:53] <Lathiat> i guess d-bus needs some work
[04:53] <tseng|work> well, beagled is like a d-bus stress test
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <Lathiat> and someone was talking about a d-bus filesystem. :)
[04:53] <tseng|work> hah!
[04:53] <tseng|work> thats crack.
[04:53] <Lathiat> it solved the problem they were trying to solve
[04:54] <Lathiat> sortof.. :)
[04:54] <Amaranth> I was about to say that's a solution in search of a problem.
[04:54] <Lathiat> basically threading was an issue
[04:54] <Lathiat> so talking to a daemon with d-bus
[04:54] <Lathiat> win
[04:54] <Lathiat> heh
[04:55] <tseng|work> d-bus is good for small unimportant stuff like evolution new mail notification, or muine now playing info
[04:55] <Lathiat> desktop notifications
[04:55] <Lathiat> i think is suitable
[04:55] <tseng|work> yes.
[04:55] <Lathiat> and im using it for avai
[04:55] <Lathiat> avahi
[04:55] <tseng|work> thats what its meant for anyway, low bandwidth event  notification
[04:55] <Lathiat> yarr
[04:55] <Lathiat> not 30M/s file transfers :)
[04:56] <tseng|work> not being a huge bus for beagle to send all its stuff over
[04:56] <tseng|work> yeah
[05:04] <ogra> uuuhh
[05:05] <ogra> why does seahorse depend on gedit
[05:05] <tseng|work> it has a plugin
[05:05] <tseng|work> for editing gpg files or somesuch
[05:05] <ogra> ah...
[05:07] <tseng|work> hey i get a crasher on blam now same place as you
[05:07] <tseng|work> something about gdk-x11
[05:08] <ogra> yep
[05:08] <Lathiat> amd64?
[05:09] <ogra> yep
[05:10] <ogra> (here at least)
[05:10] <tseng|work> x86
[05:10] <tseng|work> its a missing dep
[05:10] <tseng|work> gdk-x11-2.0 i dont know wtf package its in
[05:11] <ogra> apt-file search gdk-x11-2.0 ;)
[05:12] <seb128> libgtk2.0-0 has gdk too
[05:12] <ogra> and ia32-libs-gtk on amd64
[05:12] <tseng|work> ok
[05:12] <tseng|work> it might be an issue of missing symlink
[05:13] <ogra> which version does it look for ? 
[05:13] <tseng|work> its not versioned there
[05:14] <tseng|work> and there is no .config
[05:14] <tseng|work> so we'll see if this fixes it
[05:14] <tseng|work> yes
[05:14] <tseng|work> ogra: try installing libgtk2.0-dev
[05:14] <ogra> its already here...
[05:14] <tseng|work> something in the build-dep is providing a symlink to what it wants, we just need to redirect it
[05:16] <tseng|work> pitti: sorry i havent gotten to any of the security stuff yet.
[05:16] <pitti> tseng|work: no worries; however, would you prefer any other method of sending those mails? are you sub'ed to full-disclosure and/or bugtraq?
[05:18] <ogra> smurfix !
[05:18] <tseng|work> pitti: nope, but I could be
[05:18] <tseng|work> pitti: if they all say [security]  and are from you.. i can just use procmail
[05:19] <tseng|work> its useful for me to get the digest stuff if you are already doing it anyway
[05:19] <smurfix> back from Sydney this morning *yawn*
[05:19] <tseng|work> if not, i can join the lists
[05:19] <pitti> tseng|work: okay, then I will configure a mutt macro "send this mail as [security]  to tseng" :-)
[05:19] <tseng|work> sweet, thanks :D
[05:19] <pitti> tseng|work: or a special email address? would be easier...
[05:20] <tseng|work> hm I could set one up
[05:20] <tseng|work> ill mail you with it tonight
[05:20] <pitti> thanks
[05:20] <pitti> tseng|work: probably a mailing list would be better anyway, so astharot and Nafallo could subscribe, too
[05:20] <pitti> jdub: still here?
[05:21] <Nafallo> pitti: security-review-announcement? ;-)
[05:21] <tseng|work> hm that would work nicely for me
[05:21] <tseng|work> security-digest
[05:22] <Nafallo> tseng|work: I vote for your suggestion ;-)
[05:22] <pitti> tseng|work, Nafallo: for my sake we could just abuse security-review, but that might piss of the other subscribers and is against this list's intention
[05:22] <pitti> Nafallo, tseng|work: ubuntu-universe-security@lists....
[05:22] <tseng|work> actually i put it in the same folder right now anyway
[05:22] <tseng|work> heh.
[05:22] <tseng|work> any list is fine with me
[05:23] <tseng|work> just tell me where to sign :)
[05:23] <pitti> okay, I mail you guys
[05:23] <Nafallo> same here, any list :-). I just use procmail to put it where I want it :-)
[05:23] <Nafallo> pitti: kewl :-).
[05:34] <Nafallo> *sigh*
[05:34] <Nafallo> why does it have to start raining when I have to go out?
[05:34] <Nafallo> bad karma?
[05:35] <thom> water is good for you
[05:35] <Nafallo> thom: but I'm already grown to the size I want? :-P
[05:38] <Nafallo> well, I'm out...
[06:02] <thom> elmo: please sync mozilla-locale-ptbr
[06:03] <elmo> thodone
[06:03] <thom> thanks
[06:03] <elmo> thom: done.  even
[06:19] <littlepaul> hi mako jdub 
[06:21] <elmo> Kamion: ?
[06:22] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[06:22] <elmo> mind if I upgrade little to hoary?
[06:23] <Kamion> elmo: go ahead
[06:23] <Kamion> let me know when you're done, I was just about to start building the first breezy CDs :)
[06:24] <Kamion> (so now's as good a time as any)
[06:25] <mako> littlepaul: hey
[06:25] <littlepaul> may i ask u something? it concerns our german forum - it totally crashed. 
[06:27] <littlepaul> we read about an offer to use webspace on ubuntuforums. Who could we contact?
[06:27] <Lathiat> is the kickoff meeting in #ubuntu-meeting?
[06:27] <thom> yes
[06:27] <Lathiat> tx
[06:30] <elmo> AIEE
[06:31] <elmo> have ssh (pre-split) on hold.  upgrade to new openssh*.  remove old ssh.  wave bye bye to sshd
[06:31] <elmo> [not that that's necessarily a bug, just... aiee] 
[06:32] <Kamion> more liable-to-work procedure is: upgrade to new openssh*; upgrade to new ssh; remove ssh
[06:32] <Kamion> does little have RM?
[06:32] <Sturmkind> hello
[06:33] <elmo> only the bad kind
[06:33] <elmo> (i.e. IBM)
[06:33] <elmo> I didn't log out thankfully, only very nearly
[06:33] <Kamion> ah, ok. I was more wondering whether it was the working kind
[06:34] <elmo> it works.  but it's almost less painful to drive to London
[06:35] <elmo> Kamion: anyway, all done
[06:36] <pitti> dilinger: here?
[06:36] <pitti> anybody who knows where to get documentation for libdevmapper?
[06:39] <Kamion> elmo: great, thanks
[06:39] <Kamion> elmo: (kernel upgrade coming later, I imagine?)
[06:40] <elmo> Kamion: yes, later this week
[06:40] <dilinger> pitti: yea
[06:40] <elmo> strangely enough you haven't managed to trigger the BIO leak
[06:40] <dilinger> pitti: what kind of dm docs?
[06:40] <dilinger> (most people don't use dm directly..)
[06:40] <pitti> dilinger: I'd like to have the API documentation of libdevmapper
[06:40] <dilinger> ioctl api?
[06:41] <dilinger> or just the header file api?
[06:41] <pitti> dilinger: actually just to see whether it is easier than parsing the output of programs
[06:41] <dilinger> hm
[06:41] <dilinger> i'm not aware of any docs for that
[06:41] <Kamion> elmo: the what?
[06:41] <pitti> dilinger: I'd like to have something like "dmsetup table"
[06:41] <pitti> dilinger: okay, thanks; google doesn't find any, either
[06:42] <dilinger> pitti: if there were, sources.redhat.com/dm/ would be the place to start looking
[06:42] <elmo> kamion: there's a kernel level memory leak in block io code in warty's kernel
[06:42] <Kamion> yum
[06:42] <elmo> yeah, not so much :p
[06:43] <fabbione> uh funny...
[06:43] <fabbione> it's probably the bd-claim patch...
[06:44] <pitti> ogra: btw, did you see the Hoary article in c't? it wasn't that bad
[06:44] <ogra> oh, no
[06:45] <pitti> yeah, we got a 1.5 page review :-)
[06:45] <pitti> criticism: non-l18ned Kubuntu and horrible partitioning (as we already know)
[06:46] <ogra> Linux-Distribution: Ubuntu 5.04 fr Menschen, S. 80 
[06:46] <pitti> good: fast and slick, automagic everywhere, free
[06:46] <ogra> *g*
[06:46] <mvo> pitti: nice!
[06:46] <ogra> sad, its not online
[06:48] <astharot> ciao
[06:52] <Kamion> elmo: Failed to fetch file:/srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/ftp/dists/breezy/Release  Unable to find expected entry  restricted/debian-installer/binary-powerpc/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[06:52] <Kamion> elmo: I think apt got a bit stricter - unfortunately I do need stuff from that suite
[06:52] <elmo> gar
[06:53] <elmo> the ziyi thing?
[06:53] <Kamion> yeah
[06:53] <Kamion> you could hardcode it harder :-)
[06:53] <elmo> sock
[06:53] <elmo> hey, ziyi isn't my fault
[06:53] <Kamion> yeah, I know
[06:53] <elmo> okay, I'll look at that next
[06:53] <elmo> hoary upgrades were getting boring anyways
[06:53] <Kamion> everybody blames me for d-i around here though ;)
[06:53] <Kamion> so we can blame you for all of katie
[06:54] <Kamion> thanks
[06:55] <Kamion> elmo: could I also have g++, python-dev, libapt-pkg-dev temporarily on little? I need to rebuild britney against new libraries
[07:01] <elmo> done
[07:02] <dholbach> re
[07:02] <pitti> Hey dholbach 
[07:11] <eruin> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.g< <- Wrong md5sum
[07:11] <Kamion> elmo: thanks, rebuilt
[07:15] <trygvebw> Hi
[07:15] <trygvebw> I'm in a group creating a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu, and i'm wondering if there's anything i should know about branding or anything else?
[07:17] <Kamion> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BrandingForDerivatives
[07:17] <mxpxpod> jbailey: ping
[07:17] <Kamion> (note we haven't implemented most of that spec yet ...)
[07:18] <trygvebw> ok
[07:18] <trygvebw> I'll take a look at it :)
[07:18] <trygvebw> So i should do what's in the "Tasks that need to be done for every derivative" section?
[07:19] <Kamion> for now you'll need to do a good deal more if you want total ground-up branding
[07:19] <Kamion> because we haven't done the other bits yet
[07:19] <trygvebw> ah, ok :)
[07:19] <trygvebw> Anything else i should know?
[07:20] <aj> trygvebw: do you mean "what should i do to avoid stepping on ubuntu's toes?" or "how can i get my distro's name everywhere instead of "ubuntu"?"
[07:21] <trygvebw> more: "how can i get my distro's name everywhere instead of "ubuntu"?" :)
[07:23] <jbailey> mxpxpod: Here
[07:23] <mxpxpod> jbailey: does hotplug take a long time to start up on your ppc machine?
[07:23] <Kamion> hmm. do we care if the installer stops saying "Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)" and starts saying just "Ubuntu 5.10"?
[07:23] <trygvebw> And i'm also wondering if it's possible to remove Ubuntu-Installer from the LiveCD? We're developing our own GTK installer to be run from the LiveCD session.
[07:23] <Kamion> 'cos I can't get the former out of lsb_release easily
[07:23] <elmo> lsb doesn't have a 'codename' field?
[07:23] <Kamion> elmo: yes, but it's set to "breezy"
[07:23] <jbailey> mxpxpod: I haven't got easy access to my ppc machine right at the moment.  Takes forever on my i386 laptop, though.
[07:23] <Kamion> trygvebw: the installer is used to bring up the live CD session
[07:24] <mxpxpod> jbailey: strange... my brother's i386 desktop flies thru hotplug
[07:24] <trygvebw> Kamion, well, i was wondering if it was possible to remove it... and replace it with something else maybe?
[07:24] <aj> Kamion: you can't/don't want to add a field to Release for it?
[07:24] <Kamion> trygvebw: our plans to develop a GTK installer that runs from the live CD session involve *more* integration with the normal installer, not less
[07:24] <trygvebw> ah
[07:24] <trygvebw> Well, does that matter for me?
[07:24] <jbailey> mxpxpod: Yeah, I'm guessing there's something subtle in some configurations.  Lately i've only been powering off my laptop when the battery dies on me, so I haven't worried about it.
[07:24] <Kamion> trygvebw: it seems unwise, but you can certainly try; you'll have to write your own code that brings up the live CD session
[07:25] <trygvebw> Kamion, ok :) 
[07:25] <jbailey> I'll probably look at it when I have time.  Since my machine used to be a sid box, I can't even promise that it's an Ubuntu bug and not something I broke on my own.
[07:25] <Kamion> trygvebw: it's possible in the sense that anything's possible
[07:25] <trygvebw> Is there any technical details anywhere on how it brings up the LiveCD?
[07:25] <mxpxpod> jbailey: I'm thinking about re-installing ubuntu on my ppc machine to see if that makes a difference
[07:25] <Kamion> aj: it's awkward to get at Release in that particular place
[07:25] <Kamion> trygvebw: apt-get source casper ;-)
[07:26] <trygvebw> Kamion, ok :)
[07:26] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[07:26] <Kamion> trygvebw: it's written as an installer component
[07:26] <trygvebw> ok
[07:26] <hunger> Could someone please regenerate breezy/universe/Package.gz on archive.ubuntu.com?
[07:26] <Kamion> hunger: it's regenerated every half an hour ...
[07:26] <hunger> It's md5 is wrong.
[07:26] <Kamion> probably in the middle of mirroring
[07:27] <Kamion> although that seems a long shot at :26
[07:28] <hunger> Hmmm... maybe my partition is borked:-(
[07:28] <Kamion> aj: dunno, I guess it might be useful there for other reasons; Long-Codename?
[07:28] <fabbione> gpg: signature packet without timestamp
[07:28] <fabbione> gpg: buffer shorter than subpacket
[07:29] <hunger> I guess I'll have to wait for 30min.
[07:29] <fabbione> does anybody remember what was the value to increase to avoid this problem?
[07:29] <trygvebw> Is there anything in the wiki about Casper? Couldn't find anything.
[07:29] <Kamion> trygvebw: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDDesign has some oldish stuff
[07:30] <trygvebw> ok thanks :)
[07:30] <aj> Kamion: yeah, something like that. does Full-Codename sound any better? i guess Display-Codename: just sucks
[07:30] <Kamion> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCD for its goals
[07:30] <trygvebw> ok :)
[07:31] <Kamion> aj: mm, either seems to work. if you go too far down the display-* road you end up in i18n hell
[07:32] <aj> Kamion: yeah, Long- just sounds clunky, but so do all the others
[07:33] <Kamion> Decodename:
[07:33] <Kamion> :-)
[07:34] <trygvebw> So what *exactly* is "Casper": The system that brings up the LiveCD? What does it consist of?
[07:34] <Kamion> casper is the code that mounts, prepares, and enters the live CD filesystem image
[07:35] <elmo> ogra: dude
[07:35] <trygvebw> ok :)
[07:35] <elmo> ogra: please don't do uploads to trigger builds
[07:35] <trygvebw> Is the init scripts a part of Casper?
[07:35] <pitti> thom: please ping me as soon as you return
[07:35] <ogra> elmo, ok... so i have to get on your nerves everytime ?
[07:36] <elmo> ogra: me or lamont
[07:36] <Kamion> trygvebw: no, the whole point of casper was to reduce the amount of duplication of effort between the regular system and the live CD
[07:36] <ogra> ok
[07:36] <Kamion> trygvebw: we just build an image out of the regular system
[07:36] <Kamion> which has the init scripts and such
[07:36] <trygvebw> ok :)
[07:36] <trygvebw> Is hardware detection a part of Casper?
[07:37] <Kamion> no, that's a part of the installer
[07:37] <trygvebw> ok
[07:37] <Kamion> we explicitly wanted to use the same code for both, so that the live CD was a good test of whether your hardware could handle a normal installation
[07:37] <trygvebw> ok :)
[07:38] <pitti> lamont: heeeeeeelp
[07:38] <lamont> pitti: yes?
[07:38] <seb128> Mithrandir: around?
[07:39] <svenl> Kamion: to test the live CD on pegasos, i only need to generate the mkvmlinuz kernel for it, right ? Since it doesn't use yaboot later on it should work out of the box ?
[07:43] <rubenv> are there any places where I could ask legal questions, i'd rather not litter the mailing lists any more, it's about the APSL2
[07:43] <Kamion> svenl: yeah, I imagine so
[07:44] <doko> lamont: something wrong with the buildd's? See http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gcc-3.4/3.4.3ds1-13ubuntu2/gcc-3.4_3.4.3ds1-13ubuntu2_20050509-1807-amd64-failed
[07:44] <lamont> doko: ignore yellow
[07:44] <pitti> doko: something similar happened to the mozilla security upload - random segfaults
[07:45] <lamont> pitti: but only seen on yellow...
[07:45] <doko> lamont: same on powerpc
[07:45] <lamont> doko: so fix it. :-)
[07:45] <dholbach> elmo: do you know if herve was already added to the keyring?
[07:45] <svenl> I will try then.
[07:45] <svenl> Kamion: would it be ok if i repacked the livecd with a pegasos kernel included ? The same going for the normal installer CD ? 
[07:46] <Kamion> I don't imagine it would break anything, although you might need to be careful about size
[07:46] <svenl> Or even include the LiveCD in the new installer DVD i am preparing.
[07:46] <Kamion> you could base that on the combined install/live DVD that already exists
[07:46] <svenl> i have 2GB left on it.
[07:46] <svenl> Oh, you have something such ? Where ? 
[07:47] <svenl> i currently ship a preinstalled image.
[07:47] <Kamion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/release/ (BitTorrent only)
[07:47] <elmo> dholbach: no, I'll do that in a  bit
[07:47] <doko> lamont: if you get the buildds working again, please reschedule perl.
[07:47] <dholbach> elmo: ok thanks
[07:47] <Kamion> (I should move that to releases.ubuntu.com really)
[07:47] <Amaranth> buildds don't work?
[07:48] <lamont> doko: I have a theory about perl... requeued
[07:48] <ogra> Amaranth, according to the buildlogs they do
[07:48] <doko> lamont: me as well. what is your's?
[07:48] <svenl> Kamion: are they available in ppc, or in multi-arch ? 
[07:48] <lamont> Amaranth: there is _one_ buildd that is throwing random segv's, removed from the rotation until it gets a good checkup.  otherwise, life is going well.
[07:48] <Kamion> svenl: all architectures
[07:48] <svenl> Cool.
[07:48] <Kamion> svenl: no multiple-architecture stuff yet
[07:48] <Kamion> (so one for each)
[07:48] <lamont> doko: that test looks like it kinda wants 'localhost' to resolve, I'm betting.
[07:49] <svenl> Kamion: oh.
[07:49] <svenl> Kamion: can i order those per snail mail too or something ? 
[07:49] <Kamion> doing multiple-architecture images in debian-cd hurts my brain
[07:49] <Kamion> svenl: I think we're doing them on a "you pay the cost of media and shipping" basis
[07:49] <lamont> Kamion: the real question is whether or not all 3 architectures could co-exist on the same media
[07:49] <Kamion> but I could be wrong
[07:49] <lamont> medium, even
[07:50] <Kamion> lamont: even if they can, I'm not convinced that it's viable to have debian-cd assemble such an image
[07:50] <lamont> Kamion: but it would be _kewl_. :-)
[07:50] <Kamion> it's just too far out of its design parameters
[07:50] <lamont> certainly
[07:50] <Kamion> I want to rewrite the thing anyway, but ;)
[07:50] <lamont> *wimp*
[07:50] <Kamion> (in my CFT)
[07:50] <mxpxpod> lamont: I'm sure they'd all be able to fit on a dvd :)
[07:50] <aj> hrm
[07:51] <Kamion> mxpxpod: that's not actually clear
[07:51] <lamont> mxpxpod: with the livecd bits, I don't believe so
[07:51] <aj> lamont: i met someone who claims to be you, but i still don't believe it
[07:51] <lamont> aj: feh
[07:51] <lamont> aj: wrong personality?
[07:51] <Kamion> mxpxpod: not a single-sided single-layer one anyway
[07:52] <mxpxpod> Kamion: ah, ok
[07:52] <jbailey> lamont: Perhaps he saw you dressed in a shirt and tie.
[07:52] <aj> lamont: it's a worse brainfsck that james troup being hugged and tickled by a six year old
[07:52] <lamont> Kamion: having said that, I do have a dvd image that, with a little bit of work and knowledge, can be booted live on an i386 box, and act as a netinst server for all 3 architectures....
[07:54] <doko> jbailey: do you have l-k-h and/or amd64-libs-dev fix for 9211?
[07:55] <jbailey> doko: Ah, hadn't gone through that stuff yet.  I though it was all sorted out last week.
[07:55] <jbailey> doko: (I was not really online on the weekend at all)
[07:56] <jbailey> doko: I prefer the idea of just doing another pass for i386 glibc for x86-64, though.
[07:56] <doko> jabailey: yes, I noticed ...
[07:56] <lamont> aj: and it was nice to meet you, too...
[07:56] <aj> lamont: oh, it was definitely nice to meet you; just confusing :)
[07:57] <lamont> aj: sorry for the confusion, I think
[07:58] <aj> lamont: my poor preconceived notions :~(
[07:58] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch <--is this a mirroring thing or a "something's broken" thing?
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: people on Hoary are seeing something similar
[07:59] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: i think the repos have a bit of a problem
[08:00] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: In #ubuntu I only see a GPG error, which is a mirroring thing
[08:00] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah OK - sorry I actually made the mistake of thinking I was in #ubuntu
[08:01] <elmo> hum
[08:01] <aj> elmo: breezy/Release file seems not to have updated for 1h25-ish
[08:02] <elmo> yeah, I'm looking
[08:02] <elmo> it's almost like cron.daily's are overlapping or something, but there should be locking to prevent that
[08:03] <Amaranth> now synaptic thinks everything on my system is from a local install :)
[08:06] <elmo> sigh, auckland really can't keep up by itself
[08:07] <Amaranth> auckland? isn't that a city?
[08:11] <lamont> Amaranth: antartic species, iirc
[08:14] <herve> hi
[08:14] <herve> seb128, ping
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> qemu 0.7 is out and I'm trying to repair my amd64 installation without booting into it.
[08:18] <doko> thom: do you need/want to build mozilla and firefox on amd64? else, I'll break g++-3.4 on amd64 now ...
[08:19] <seb128> herve: pong
[08:20] <thom> doko: hrm? it builds with 4.0 as well, so as long as i have *a* compiler, that's fine
[08:20] <dholbach> seb128: kindly upload his dia-fixes :-)
[08:20] <herve> seb128, I have a fixed dia, eager to upload... until I found out it's now in main :-)
[08:20] <seb128> ah ah
[08:20] <seb128> url ?
[08:20] <herve> http://deb.oursours.net/motu/pending/
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> are the 4.0 builds using -fssa?
[08:20] <herve> yes, that's quite funny when you think about it :-)
[08:20] <seb128> you guys should have a motu archive :)
[08:20] <bluefoxicy> I heard static single assignment WORKS in 4.0 now
[08:21] <dholbach> seb128: and @ubuntu.com email adresses ;-)
[08:21] <seb128> dholbach: right ;)
[08:21] <herve> I would choose unlucky-motu@ubuntu.com
[08:38] <elmo> hmm.
[08:39] <elmo> Kamion: any array's (?) coming up?
[08:43] <Kamion> elmo: once I can actually get CDs built, I'm hoping Colony 1 will follow soon after
[08:44] <elmo> giggle, colony
[08:46] <seb128> herve: around?
[08:46] <herve> almost
[08:46] <herve> I can hear
[08:47] <herve> but on the telephone
[08:48] <jammcq> anybody know if the date has been set for the next Ubuntu developer meeting?  I heard it would be a short time after the Breezy release, which I'm guessing is around Oct 6th
[08:48] <trygvebw> wasn't that UDU?
[08:48] <trygvebw> ahh, the next one
[08:48] <jammcq> yeah
[08:48] <jammcq> I was at UDU, and i'd like to be at the next one
[08:48] <jammcq> but i've got someone wanting me to be somewhere Oct 24th, and i'm wondering if that will conflict
[08:49] <Kamion> jammcq: hasn't been set yet
[08:49] <Kamion> AFAIK
[08:51] <jammcq> hmm, thanks
[08:51] <seb128> herve: any way to fix your changelog to mention the bugs or the patches for the bunch of patches you list?
[08:52] <elmo> BREEZY KICK OFF MEETING in 8 minutes, YOU SLACKERS.
[08:52] <bluefoxicy> wt. . .
[08:52] <herve> seb128, I filed the bugs afterwards
[08:52] <seb128> herve: ?
[08:52] <bluefoxicy> ok, who controls firefox and what do I have to do to get them to stab linspire in the face
[08:53] <seb128> herve: you have written all the patches, or grabbed them from the CVS, bugzilla, dunno ?
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> I just first today heard of Linspire and went to their site, because we have linspire next to Windows now at best buy
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> and I already have an account, am already logged in, and am logged in under my proper e-mail address.
[08:53] <herve> seb128, I just grabbed them from the cvs and made dpatch versions
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> . . . why can they get this information out of my machine?
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> I didn't enter anything in anywhere.
[08:58] <abarbaccia> hey all - i'm wonder how I can become more involed with ubuntu and development
[08:59] <dholbach> abarbaccia: hi, what would you like to do?
[09:00] <abarbaccia> dholbach, depends what you need to me to do - im working on my computer engineering degree at Penn State and I can program decently - i'm a fast learner and watned to hlep with the development
[09:00] <dholbach> abarbaccia: #ubuntu-motu is a good place to start but at the moment we have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:01] <Kamion> we're having a kickoff meeting for the next release cycle now in #ubuntu-meeting; if you want to lurk there, that would be a reasonable way to get up to speed with what we're in the middle of
[09:01] <dholbach> abarbaccia: i really appreciate your wish to get involved, so if you drop into #ubuntu-motu or drop me a line (dh@mailempfang.de) we can discuss whatever you'd like to change :-)
[09:06] <seb128> herve: the changelog is not really good, it doesn't mention the name of the patch you have used neither than the patches come from the CVS
[09:07] <seb128> do you want to fix that?
[09:08] <herve> seb128, wai
[09:08] <herve> t
[09:13] <herve> seb128, I'll fix it, I want this version rocking, I'll find a model in changes.breezy
[09:13] <herve> seb128, no need to bump the revision I guess?
[09:14] <seb128> no
[09:14] <seb128> BTW not sure that's worth the efforts
[09:14] <seb128> I mean you have probably take some time to review the patch, etc
[09:14] <Kamion> I wouldn't upload a new version just to fix the changelog - do it for subsequent uploads though
[09:15] <seb128> the version is not uploaded
[09:15] <seb128> I'm just reviewing it :)
[09:17] <Kamion> ah
[09:17] <herve> seb128, the locale issue is important to me, since I lost a month trying to find why my eps files were screwed up
[09:17] <herve> the other ones are the cherry on the cake, yes
[09:17] <herve> er no, no the gcc 4.0 fix
[09:17] <seb128> yeah, but on a devel branch I just do a CVS snapshot for my part
[09:17] <seb128> much faster
[09:17] <seb128> than grabber 6-7 patches
[09:17] <seb128> s/grabber/grabbing/
[09:18] <herve> I'm not confident enough decisions such as "forking" the debian package
[09:18] <seb128> you have to search for the patch, make dpatch, document the changes, and to drop them for the next version
[09:18] <herve> just providing help to the existing one
[09:18] <seb128> that's not forking
[09:18] <seb128> that's using a new upstream version
[09:19] <seb128> you are almost doing that with all the patch
[09:19] <seb128> that's just extra work over doing a CVS snapshot
[09:20] <seb128> just my opinion BTW
[09:20] <herve> your opinion is sure important
[09:20] <herve> I learn from it
[09:20] <herve> and my mistakes :()
[09:20] <herve> (not intended smiley)
[09:21] <seb128> that's not a mistake, doing proper package with patches is important
[09:21] <seb128> especially near of a freeze or a new version
[09:22] <seb128> but atm if the CVS fixes a bunch of bug, that's easier and faster to package it
[09:22] <seb128> I'm going to do this for gnome-vfs rather than backporting the changes for the new dbus
[09:22] <doko> lamont: please fix the amd64 buildd, this doesn't look very nice: buildd http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gcc-3.4/3.4.3ds1-13ubuntu3/
[09:23] <herve> I'll consider it for the next one
[09:23] <lamont> doko: is it on yellow, or elsewhere?
[09:24] <doko> lamont: king
[09:24] <lamont> right..  amd64 buildd's all killed until the archive is fixed.
[09:24] <lamont> doko: that'll fix the logfile proliferation
[09:27] <cartman> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[09:27] <cartman> wtf?
[09:27] <crimsun> archive is broken, being fixed.
[09:27] <cartman> oh ok. not safe to dist-upgrade now?
[09:27] <herve> seb128, the references to gnome's bugzilla are worth keeping?
[09:27] <cartman> or can I ignore the warning?
[09:28] <herve> you could also say hello :-)
[09:28] <crimsun> cartman: not safe when you can't access 3/4 of the repo ;)
[09:28] <cartman> crimsun: lol ok
[09:28] <cartman> crimsun: thanks for info
[09:28] <thom> fabbione: any reason why v3 process accounting isn't on in the kernel by default?
[09:28] <seb128> herve: not really, mention the patch names and the fact they come from the CVS, so that's clear they are to drop for the next version
[09:29] <fabbione> thom: no that i know of .. probably we just didn't enable it...
[09:29] <thom> please can you? :-)
[09:29] <fabbione> thom: sure..
[09:30] <fabbione> do you remember the kernel option?
[09:30] <thom> thanks
[09:30] <thom> CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3
[09:30] <lamont> doko: (it's an archive issue, not a buildd issue)
[09:31] <fabbione> thom: done.. it will be in with 2.6.11.92-1.1
[09:31] <thom> merci bien
[09:31] <thom> (i need it for maximum chicken^Wbootchart)
[09:32] <fabbione> thom: no problem
[09:32] <Nafallo> zul: what's the road for rt2400 && rt2500 || rt2x00?
[09:32] <zul> Nafallo: working on it
[09:33] <Nafallo> zul: tell me if you need anything :-). I want to help if I can :-).
[09:33] <fabbione> thom: it will take me a couple of days to get this kernel in
[09:33] <fabbione> thom: ppc is a FTBFS
[09:33] <zul> Nafallo: sure
[09:34] <elmo> ARGH
[09:34] <elmo> bash broke cron.daily, kthxbye
[09:35] <elmo> doko: what did 'trap -' turn into in hoary bash?
[09:36] <thom> fabbione: no rush
[09:36] <thom> elmo: uh? ewww
[09:36] <fabbione> thom: i am already test building on i386
 fabbione: no rush
 thom: i am already test building on i386
[09:37] <seb128> elmo: any idea on where is pyxdg 0.10? I've uploaded it this morning and no sign from the buildd atm
[09:38] <Kamion> elmo: can you just do 'trap'?
[09:39] <elmo> pyxdg_0.10-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[09:39] <elmo> REJECT
[09:39] <elmo> Rejected: Uploads to hoary are not accepted.
[09:39] <elmo> and seb128@d.o again, instead of u.c
[09:39] <Kamion> or 'trap - [some list of signals] '
[09:39] <seb128> elmo: arg, thanks
[09:40] <Kamion> hm, no, 'trap' with no arguments definitely isn't what you want
[09:40] <doko> elmo: trap '' 0
[09:41] <doko> ehh, trap - ? or cd - ?
[09:41] <elmo> doko: 'trap -'
[09:41] <elmo> it worked with warty's bash, errors with hoary
[09:42] <doko> elmo: yes, insert '' as the action argument: trap '' -
[09:42] <elmo> ok
[09:42] <herve> seb128, here's what it gives: http://deb.oursours.net/motu/changelog
[09:43] <herve> seb128, I took the occasion to reduce the patches name
[09:43] <seb128> herve: nice :)
[09:43] <herve> you should have tell -:)
[09:47] <elmo> -su: trap: -: invalid signal specification
[09:47] <elmo> doko: ?
[09:48] <seb128> herve: you have an updated package or I should use this changelog with the previous one (or you have renamed some patches?) 
[09:48] <herve> seb128, I'll prepare a source-only package and upload it
[09:48] <seb128> thanks
[09:49] <herve> I launched a build but it's ok, I just had to test the renamed patches and it passed
[09:50] <herve> seb128, you just need the diff.gz and dsc?
[09:50] <seb128> correct
[09:50] <herve> I signed them but what's the point :-)
[09:50] <elmo> hmm, trap - 0 seems to work fine
[09:51] <doko> hmm, but do you want to reset for the 0 signal?
[09:51] <herve> seb128, uploaded
[09:51] <seb128> k
[09:51] <elmo> doko: yes, the top of the script has 'trap cleanup 0'
[09:51] <elmo> so I assume 'trap -' is meant to undo that
[09:52] <elmo> tho looking at 'help' for previous versions of bash that's not obvious
[09:52] <thom> seb128: sabayon packages? SWEET!
[09:52] <elmo> in fact, it seems to do absolutely nothing in previous versions of bash.  
[09:53] <elmo> rock on.
[09:53] <seb128> thom: yep, I've tackled the 2 blockers bug with upstream this afternoon
[09:53] <doko> elmo: yes, then trap - 0 sounds ok
[09:53] <seb128> I'll upload after meeting or tomorrow
[09:53] <thom> hey sivan
[09:58] <pitti> trulux: please discuss non-meeting stuff here
[09:59] <pitti> trulux: in #u-m we have an agenda
[09:59] <trulux> pitti: I know, just waiting until the end. I've been having some issues around and they stopped me from being able to finish the spec
[10:00] <pitti> trulux: in the near future we two should sit together and update the specification
[10:01] <trulux> pitti: right, I made that RFC for making u-h one which is basically a replacement of Proactive Security one
[10:01] <trulux> pitti: btw, desktop integration is important, I've started a gnome applet for SELInux
[10:01] <pitti> cool
[10:01] <trulux> pitti: among trying to port red hat's config. tools
[10:01] <trulux> just need some help, I'm not a real python hacker (yet)
[10:02] <trulux> sivang: what's up?
[10:02] <sivang> trulux: fine, just got back from work, exchusted trying to catch up last bits from Brezy kickoff
[10:03] <trulux> sivang: haha, I'm just finishing the spec for Ubuntu Hardened
[10:03] <sivang> trulux: privilges of people without a day job ;-)
[10:04] <trulux> sivang: haha, no, privileges of students ;P
[10:04] <trulux> tseng: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92033
[10:04] <trulux> tseng: ;)
[10:04] <sivang> trulux: the same :-)
[10:05] <trulux> sivang: yep :)
[10:05] <pitti> tim1: however, gstreamer has a terrible performance
[10:05] <seb128> tseng|work: sync issues with gstreamer?
[10:05] <trulux> pitti: how was the thing on gcc-3.4 ssp packages?
[10:06] <tseng|work> seb128: yes?
[10:06] <tseng|work> timing I mean
[10:06] <seb128> tseng|work: do you still have them? BBB has been doing rocking work on this upstream, and I've talked with a gstreamer guy today who has read the udu wiki, they think that gstreamer is as good as xine and better than mplayer on than plan
[10:06] <pitti> trulux: later, please, after the meeting
[10:06] <trukulo> pitti: do you know this ? http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90626
[10:06] <tim1> pitti: agree, but instead of putting much work in the xine library we should just include gstreamer by default and a full xine in universe
[10:06] <tseng|work> seb128: i still have mp3s that dont even play on playbin
[10:06] <seb128> tseng|work: so if you have sync issues please open a bug with the format, etc
[10:06] <trukulo> it's a bug on gzip, not published yet
[10:07] <tseng|work> seb128: but now muine has its own gtimer code
[10:07] <seb128> tseng|work: don't play != sync
[10:07] <tseng|work> so I dont get them
[10:07] <tseng|work> video sync is bad iirc, but i stopped using gst for video
[10:07] <tseng|work> ill try and find some, sure
[10:07] <trulux> pitti: OK, no probs
[10:07] <seb128> tseng|work: is or was? If that's bad upstream would be happy to fix, but we need to fill bugs for that
[10:07] <seb128> they are not aware of such issue
[10:07] <tseng|work> I guess it was, i stopped using it
[10:08] <seb128> k, if you give a try again let me/upstream know, thanks
[10:08] <tseng|work> np
[10:08] <tseng|work> ill check out my non-playing stuff
[10:09] <seb128> BBB is working full time on gstreamer, and is happy usually to get bugs about things not working
[10:09] <Amaranth> I sent BBB some m4a files that were playing too fast and not playing at all. He fixed the first issue and is looking in on the second one.
[10:09] <tseng|work> cool
[10:09] <Amaranth> So just send him the file that messes up.
[10:09] <tseng|work> he helped me fix that last issue with playbin in hoary
[10:16] <thom_> lamont: but hacks are right down your street! ;-)
[10:17] <lamont> thom_: feh
[10:19] <dilinger> but not up his alley?
[10:29] <GheRivero> res
[10:44] <seb128> herve: dia uploaded
[10:44] <herve> seb128, thanks
[10:44] <seb128> thank you for the package :)
[10:46] <dennis__> now, do i need to do something official besides creating a wiki page?
[10:46] <tseng|work> well you need to either become a MOTU
[10:46] <tseng|work> or find someone to work with you
[10:46] <herve> dennis__, what do you mean?
[10:46] <herve> tseng, OOo is not in the universe anyway
[10:47] <dholbach> an OO.o team
[10:47] <dennis__> dholbach, hey what's up
[10:47] <fabbione> infinity: /j #ubuntu-kernel
[10:47] <dholbach> dennis__: thanks for that
[10:48] <dholbach> dennis__: we're in a meeting atm, but as i told you: you'll want to talk to doko and haggai for OO.o fun
[10:48] <dennis__> dholbach, ok i hope i bump into them here some time, or is there a better way to contact them?
[10:48] <tseng|work> ajmitch_: can you do universe security?
[10:49] <tseng|work> im going to go soon
[10:50] <dholbach> dennis__: IRC should be fine
[10:51] <dholbach> tim1: malone :-)
[10:51] <pitti> tim1: please use malone for universe bugs, and bz for main
[10:52] <tim1> ok, unfortunately malone or launchpad in general is in a pretty alpha-stage right now
[10:52] <tim1> e.g. when i want to comment a bug it just says: Error in input
[10:52] <thom> tim1: report bugs in malone, too! ... 
[10:52] <hunger> tim1: Add your grievances to the MaloneUniverseWishList page in the wiki.
[10:53] <infinity> "Make it work" doesn't seem wishlist.
[10:53] <dholbach> "meeting with Malone crew: 12 May 20:00 UTC" :-)
[10:53] <tim1> hunger: my wishes are already in there
[10:53] <thom> tim1: i just pinged one of the malone devs, not sure he's around currently though
[10:54] <hunger> infinity: I just want to get him to add stuff so that I do not have to feel responsible for about 90% of the stuff on that page;-)
[10:55] <lamont> doko: I think all the buildd's are back to doing what they're supposed to, instead of just complaining about things.
[10:55] <tim1> i think when launchpad is stable it will really boost the productivity of the whole ubuntu project, it's (planned) features are really great
[10:56] <tim1> so I'm just gonna file a bug that filing bugs doesn't work ;)
[10:57] <doko> lamont: thanks
[10:57] <thom> tim1:  < BjornT> thom: it's fixed, just waiting to be rolled out. next rollout is tomorrow, i think
[10:58] <tim1> thom: great news, thanks
[10:58] <seb128> tim1: when you get the error you can try again
[10:58] <seb128> it works from this dialog
[10:59] <tritium> thom, I've got an iPaq 38xx with familiar on it now.  I'd be happy to test stuff on PDASupport
[10:59] <thom> ogra: what needs to happen for the gui on PMC short of "upload gnome-power"?
[11:00] <thom> current cvs is pretty close to having the ui we talked about
[11:00] <ogra> thom, ok
[11:00] <Burgundavia> thom, I currently have  a tungsten E an extremely common recent palm model
[11:00] <ogra> thom, HAL 0.5 should be available
[11:00] <thom> ogra: yes, lots of stuff is waiting on new dbus/hal love
[11:01] <ogra> yep...
[11:01] <ogra> else i'm probably fine with the ui... 
[11:01] <seb128> which is waiting on daniels for new dbus
[11:01] <tim1> seb128: doesn't work for me, tried to add a comment here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/566
[11:02] <seb128> tim1: you get the error you mentionned before and it deletes the message, but from the error page you can comment
[11:02] <seb128> by clicking 2 times
[11:02] <dholbach> tim1: you have logged in and set a preferred mail adress?
[11:02] <seb128> you just have to enter the comment again on this page
[11:02] <daniels> i have an ipaq; can't remember which model off the top of my head
[11:03] <kent> sorry if this is OT, but out of interest, how many people are hired to work on ubuntu? that is, how many get paid for it?
[11:03] <tim1> seb128: ok you were right, thanks
[11:04] <seb128> np
[11:05] <Kamion> kent: I think the current Canonical distro team count is 17
[11:06] <kent> Kamion, thanks.  Its a kind of dumb question realy, but its fun to know :)
[11:13] <Burgundavia> where are they again?
[11:13] <crimsun> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[11:13] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:14] <lamont> Burgundavia: there's even a link from ~lamont now
[11:14] <Burgundavia> ah, cool
[11:14] <Burgundavia> I will bookmark those now
[11:18] <anto9us> Hi everyone, I'm looking into pre-installing ubuntu on machines for sale. Can someone point me in the right direction for looking into what issues, particularly legal, are involved?
[11:19] <jbailey> anto9us: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/document_view is a good place to start.
[11:20] <jbailey> anto9us: Aside from that, we'd love it if you pre-installed the system.  Canonical can also do escalation support arrangements, and with the breezy release it'll become much easier to do branding customisations.
[11:20] <jbailey> anto9us: There are a number of OEM-style improvements going in during this release cycle.
[11:22] <anto9us> jbailey: thanks :)
[11:24] <anto9us> jbailey: what do you mean by branding customisations?
[11:24] <seb128> daniels: you were supposed to package dbus now, weren't you? :)
[11:24] <jbailey> anto9us: Ubuntu is designed to be branded with custom logos and whatnot.
[11:25] <jbailey> anto9us: So you can change out the gdm login screen, default theme, background, gnome splash.
[11:25] <daniels> seb128: i'm supposed to finish dealing with the new mono stuff after I wake up again :P
[11:25] <jbailey> anto9us: Sort of like how IBM or whatnot might ship you a windows CD where the bootup splash screen includes both the IBM and Microsoft logo.
[11:25] <seb128> daniels: start with dbus, thanks :)
[11:26] <daniels> seb128: the new mono stuff ... for dbus
[11:26] <daniels> bearing in mind that dbus has libdbus-cil :P
[11:26] <seb128> oh, right
[11:26] <anto9us> jbailey: sounds excellent :)
[11:26] <seb128> yeah
[11:26] <daniels> anyway, be back in a couple of hours
[11:26] <seb128> 'night :)
[11:27] <hunger> mkinitrd has libdevmapper hardcoded to version 1.00 :-(
[11:28] <hunger> So you can no longer install kernel images in breezy (libdevmapper is version 1.01 there).
[11:29] <infinity> hunger : It'll get fixed.
[11:30] <hunger> infinity: The script is really ugly... close to a generated configure script;-)
[11:30] <Kamion> good way to solicit help, that
[11:43] <Riddell> mdz: could you look at approving knetworkconf in hoary-updates?
[11:50] <haggai> dennis__: hmm I see you say OOo pyuno isn't working properly; it was working before the last package update if you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[11:54] <haggai> dennis__: yup, it does work in hoary.  What did you test?
[12:00] <dholbach> good night