[05:26] morning [05:58] hi fabbione [05:59] fabbione: i tried to build mplayer yesterday, and it failed because of some altivec includes. [05:59] fabbione: and the existing powerpc packages seem to lack the actual binary. === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-168-195.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:52] ok ladies and gentlement [07:52] we need a new kernel release name/series [07:53] votes are open :) [07:53] JaneW: since when you are interested in the kernel? :) [07:53] hmm, as in "Bite the Dildo" names? [07:53] oh wait, that was probably inappropriate === fabbione introduces crimsun to JaneW [07:54] fabbione: still going for food names? [07:55] dilinger: well we can do whatever we like [07:55] i was considering some kind of flexibility [07:55] 'lo JaneW [07:55] like hurricanes name for unstable releases [07:55] and something else for stable releases [07:55] or whatever.. [07:55] i am really open to suggestions [07:56] i think 91-1.1 is ready to go out of the door [07:56] hi crimsun [07:56] fabbione, just browsing [07:56] fabbione: besides I am interested in all things ubuntu related ;) [07:56] JaneW: be aware.. this is the channel of the truth of death :P [07:57] 2.6.11.90-1 is working great [07:57] crimsun: good to know [07:57] 91-1.1 will hit the archive today [07:57] 92 is already a work in progress [07:57] ooh! [07:57] i just need the name for 91-1.1 [07:58] it'll be the stable branch, right? [07:58] nope [07:58] this is unstable [07:58] oh, 9x [07:58] 91 = 12rc3 [07:58] right [07:58] 92 =12rc4 [07:58] so whatever [07:58] we need something cool tho [07:58] nobody is going to read a 200 lines changelog anyway [07:59] what about ferocious predators for the unstable branch and docile animals for the stable? [07:59] hmmmmm [08:00] how about ornery kernel hackers for the unstable branch and huggable ones for the stable branch? :) [08:00] you could start w/ al viro for the first unstable [08:00] dilinger: examples? :) [08:01] hmmm i am afraid that using people names might create political issues [08:01] people might not like it === dilinger nods [08:02] funny, I was thinking Al, too ;) [08:03] The "Phantom Mance" Release [08:03] Menace [08:03] crimsun: when i think of kernel hackers who put the fear of god into me, i think of al [08:04] and that's saying a lot, since i'm an atheist :p [08:05] i have an idea [08:05] let's use the weirdest sex positions, md5sum encoded [08:05] and see who is going to guess them :) [08:05] kinda of a contest ;) [08:05] i'd recommend that w/out the md5sum encoding ;) [08:06] dilinger: pig! :P [08:06] yeah, the md5sum would be even worse than the current numbering scheme ;) [08:06] we could just rot13 'em [08:06] that would be evilly cool [08:06] Lathiat: the md5 or the rot? [08:07] rot [08:07] do we have a cmd line tool to rot encode? [08:07] fabbione: give the people what they want! the reverse cowgirl kernel release.. [08:07] yeh |rot13 [08:07] i think its in bsdgames [08:07] or [08:07] just use the tr command [08:08] theres a string for tr somewhere [08:08] i dont know it [08:08] google should [08:08] dilinger: ahhaa [08:09] yeah, straightforward and simple === Lathiat grins [08:10] sexy_rodeo == Put your woman doggie style, grab her by her tits and penetrate her. When you are in, tell her "did you know this is the position your sister likes most?" then you have to stay up for at least 8 seconds [08:11] yea, i wouldn't recommend including the explanations. or including words with sexual connotations. [08:11] dilinger: clearly :) [08:12] heh [08:12] it was only an answer to the cowgirl thingy :) [08:12] hehe [08:16] ok.. we must get a name === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b58.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:20] will there be silly animal names for the kernel as well? ;-) [08:22] dholbach: any proposal is good :) [08:22] go ahead with your [08:22] i'd love to have SneezySnail somewhere ;-) [08:22] hmm, speed is another good idea [08:22] could even combine that with the ferocious/docile thing [08:22] but i'll think of something else [08:22] dholbach: i would like to avoid name clashes with releases [08:23] of course [08:23] but SneezySnail will hopefully never be a release name ;-) [08:23] sneezysnail would be a nice release name :) [08:24] i think it was keybuk's idea :) [08:43] see you === jbailey [~jbailey@S0106000d93720bec.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b58.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Verlassend"] === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:15] The "amok" Release. [10:15] what about this one? :) [10:17] Bah, I'm going to bed. [10:17] Too tired to finish the lkh bits tonight. [10:17] jbailey: good night dude :) [10:18] g'n. =) === JaneW [~JaneW@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:41] JaneW: you here? [10:57] fabbione: yes - on phone [10:57] sure.. take your time [11:03] fabbione: ok done, - how can I help? [11:03] JaneW: we need a release name for the kerenl [11:03] kernel [11:03] something that indicates that it is pure crack :) [11:07] hehehe [11:07] gimme examples of what you;ve had... [11:07] or something with a "pink" touch.. but than you will commit to find names for the whole breezy release cycle :) [11:07] JaneW: The "Succulent Strawberries" Release. [11:07] ;) [11:08] The "Radioactive Radish" Release. [11:08] The "Atomic Artichoke" Release. [11:08] now.. we reserved veggie for hoary [11:08] ok [11:08] but food is limited [11:08] so we need to get a new cathegory too :) [11:09] ice-cream flavours...? [11:10] can get orett outrageous [11:10] pretty even [11:10] JaneW: that would work too... [11:10] Pecan Swirl [11:10] fire some :) [11:10] PS <- ??? [11:10] we use a similar convention to release names [11:11] like Hoary H. [11:11] so same first letter [11:11] that's what make it a bit harder ;) [11:11] ok [11:11] Rocky road [11:12] Praline pecan [11:12] something like that... [11:12] Chocolate chip === fabbione needs to picture these icecream flavours... [11:14] http://www.recipesource.com/desserts/ice-cream/00/rec0095.html === JaneW is not loving the idea [11:14] thinks harder [11:15] being a kernel... how about types of nuts? [11:15] a bit of a play on the kernel think? [11:15] sounds good.. [11:15] Happy Hazel [11:15] let see how many flavours we have [11:15] Perky Pecan [11:16] Batty Brazilian [11:16] Almond (the adjectives are hard) [11:17] Pistacio (but starts with same letter as pecan and peanut) [11:17] Crunchy Cashew [11:17] http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ecoph8.htm [11:17] Wacky Walnut [11:18] PInnut [11:18] Pinenut [11:18] ok you convinced me [11:18] Walnut [11:18] etc [11:19] which one would you like to see as first? [11:19] happy to help [11:19] Chestnut, Macadamia [11:19] plus Badgers eat nuts [11:19] I think [11:20] first one er... [11:20] eheh i think so too [11:20] Hazel - like the one in ice age [11:20] oh no that was an acorn ;) [11:20] sort of the same [11:20] done [11:20] yay [11:21] now you will be doomed for the whoile breezy process in reminding us nuts names ;) [11:21] so can I put 'contributed to Ubuntu Kernel' in my CV now? ;) === JaneW starts a nut name DB [11:22] JaneW: sure: [11:22] linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.11.91-1.1) breezy; urgency=low [11:22] The "Happy Hazel" Release. [11:22] Welcome to JaneW as our new name release manager that kindly offered [11:22] volunteer to find nuts names for our kernel. [11:22] Changes by Fabio M. Di Nitto: [11:22] this will appear shortly on ubuntu-changes... [11:22] heehee === fabbione does some baz dance and uploads [11:31] Is the next one going to be "Mad Macadamia"? [12:01] here is maybe more appropriate. [12:01] Is DVD burning supposed to work on the ppc kernel ? [12:01] # growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=archive.iso [12:01] Executing 'builtin_dd if=archive.iso of=/dev/hdc obs=32k seek=0' [12:01] :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=3h/ASC=73h/ACQ=03h] : Input/output error [12:02] seems not to be the case. [12:04] i got that error with a broken burner [12:05] fabbione: well, the burner worked fine under mac os X, so ... [12:05] and the exact same brand of media. [12:06] will try building cdrecord with the DVD patch. [12:07] svenl: i had really weird issues with my burner [12:07] like it was partially working with windows [12:07] but not in linux [12:07] fabbione: and on amd64, my burner still doesn't want to do DMA burning, and is thus very very slow. [12:07] and sometimes viceversa [12:07] 2 or 4 burns didn't really show the problem [12:07] fabbione: well, as this is the default powerbook burner, i guess lot of people, like maybe Kamion or benh, have been using it. [12:08] svenl: that's not the point.. if your specific burner is broken... [12:08] i had a lite-on [12:08] that is very well known brand [12:08] well. [12:08] probably i was the only one with that problem [12:09] yep. [12:10] but in this case, chances are good that it is a software problem, especially given the history of it. [12:10] Mmm, cdrtools broken patch number 40 didn't get fixed for hoary :/ [12:10] I am sure i reported this one months ago. === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] [12:26] damn, cdrecord fails too. [12:46] hey [12:49] hi zul [12:49] hey svenl [12:51] hey zul [12:51] hey fabbione === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre1,1--2.6.11.92 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware [12:52] meh === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--pre1,1--2.6.11.92 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware [12:53] heh shouldnt that be pre1.1 [12:53] it was i typo when i did the branch [12:53] ah ok [12:55] at least i can close a whole bunch of bugs today [12:56] yeah go ahead [12:56] i didn't process bugzilla [01:03] zul: mind to close mine too? [01:03] sure [01:03] or did you close all of them? [01:03] ill just go through the changelog :) [01:03] thanks [01:03] or search for linux/PENDINGUPLOAD [01:04] yep [01:05] need to go potty [01:12] zul: orig/dsc/diff.gz in the usual place [01:12] for 92 i mean [01:12] ok... [01:13] sorry.. dsc and diff are still on the way [01:13] not a problem...i just woke up :) [01:13] that's why i am trying to be more detailed [01:17] ok they are up now [01:30] see this is what is bad about source base distros look at this guys CFLAGS http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74072 [01:32] hahahaha [02:35] i am going off line for a while [02:35] 92 is building everywhere [02:35] i still need to commit the config changes [02:35] but they are trivial [02:36] yeah i noticed :) [02:36] i am at patch5 :) [02:36] im building it as well with some of my patches [02:36] it has a fix for ia64 [02:36] rocking [02:36] i will be back later [02:36] k [02:36] and if you are ready i can start merging from you [02:37] ill let you know :) [04:00] argh.. [04:01] argh what? [04:02] that external driver that was in bugzilla doesnt build [04:02] no shit... [04:02] is that the dxr3+ driver? [04:02] yep [04:02] hmmmm [04:02] it depends how it fails [04:02] probably the fix is easy [04:02] i might have found a fix already i2c.h changes [04:03] ok [04:03] er...i2c.h changed === dilinger yawns. work + 5 hours of sleep == productivity [04:04] hey dilinger how goes it? [04:04] dilinger: started the new work? [04:04] not bad. i really need a place to live [04:04] fabbione: yea, last week [04:05] is it any good? [04:07] it's work :) [04:07] it's not too bad [04:08] i spent friday getting comfortable w/ openafs source [04:08] it's impressively ugly [04:08] amen... [04:08] is it worth the inclusion in the kernel? [04:08] i don't think it's license allows it [04:08] i brought it up on the list [04:08] isn't it gpl now? [04:08] s/it's/its/ [04:09] ibm public source [04:09] pity, it would be nice to have it in the kernel (once it's cleaned up a bit) [04:10] i can't find the licence on the page [04:11] http://openafs.org/frameset/dl/license10.html [04:12] scary [04:14] i need a shower :) [04:14] bbl [04:14] even the most hardcore developer does wash once a month [04:19] heh [04:19] needs some performance tuning.. [04:19] dilinger@furious13:~ $ time cp openafs-1.3.82-src.tar.gz foo [04:19] real 3m9.146s [04:19] 13MB file === JaneW [~JaneW@dumbledore.hbd.com] has left #ubuntu-kernel ["Leaving"] [04:52] i wonder how well kafs performs === smurfix [~smurf@run.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:54] why... [05:54] why... [05:54] why PPC IS SO RETARDED? [05:54] it has a personal vendetta agianst you fab [05:55] i blame T-Bone [05:55] it's because i don't own one.. yet [05:55] drivers/built-in.o(.pmac.text+0x2d10): In function `pmac_wakeup_devices': [05:55] : undefined reference to `pmac_tweak_clock_spreading' [05:55] drivers/built-in.o(.pmac.text+0x3548): In function `pmac_suspend_devices': [05:55] : undefined reference to `pmac_tweak_clock_spreading' [05:55] this is 12rc4 [05:55] no idea.. [05:58] every fucking release is the same story [05:58] drop ppc support :) [06:01] that would be sane [06:01] yay...something im actually qualified to do [06:20] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.12/2.6.11.91-1.1/ [06:20] yay [06:20] they start to appear :) [06:22] woo [06:22] you guys rock. [06:23] we do [06:25] let say we suck less than other teams :) [06:25] haha [06:26] damn i have to clean the house today [06:26] i can do the patch for you [06:26] ops [06:26] you can patch it? :) [06:26] lol [06:26] zul: just run make clean [06:27] make -f zul clean [06:27] dist-clean more like it [06:30] yay it builds === jbailey [~jbailey@dhcp802-2-37.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:34] hey jeff! [06:35] Heya Fabio! (and everyone) [06:37] When is linux-headers-2.6.10-5 going away? [06:37] I want to upload klibc this morning. the lkh network bits all assume that glibc is present on the system, and I want to make sure that the upstream guy agrees with what I'm doing before I revert a pile of his changes. [06:37] jbailey: after we will make 2.6.12 the default kernel [06:38] in not too long i think [06:38] 'kay, so I have a week, probablyl [06:38] if not more.... [06:38] we don't know when .12 final will be out [06:38] and 12rc4 is not encouraging atm [06:38] Ugh, really? [06:38] ppc is broken [06:38] I thought I had seen decent reports for rc3. [06:39] when right this morning benh told me that 12rc4 is perfect on ppc [06:39] well it doesn't even compile... [06:39] Compiler skew between you and benh? [06:39] drivers/built-in.o(.pmac.text+0x2d10): In function `pmac_wakeup_devices': [06:39] : undefined reference to `pmac_tweak_clock_spreading' [06:39] drivers/built-in.o(.pmac.text+0x3548): In function `pmac_suspend_devices': [06:39] : undefined reference to `pmac_tweak_clock_spreading' [06:39] this is just bad code [06:39] nothing to do with the compiler [06:40] Right. =) [06:40] since benh is working on G5 [06:40] everything else is broken [06:40] and unsupported [06:41] at this speed rate i will have to ask either for an official ppc porter [06:41] or get rid of ppc as supported arch [06:41] Hmm. [06:41] I wonder if I have the skills to get into ppc porting at all. [06:41] ppc is the post problematic arch i have ever seen [06:41] you fix power3 and you break power4 [06:41] Right, that's the scary part. [06:41] I have a newworld and a g5. [06:41] you change a line for powerpc and you break power3-smp [06:42] it's really fucking annoying [06:45] ah, nice. the linux-headers /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/include/asm seems to be pointed right per-arch. [06:46] http://drunkendelight.com/content/picture/02213994.jpg [06:46] AHNHAHAHA [06:46] jbailey: yes, it's per arch [06:47] Yeah, I just remember that last time I looked at the package (a year or two ago in Debian) it was not. [06:47] fabbione: Oh dear. [06:47] =) [06:50] aw man.. [06:53] bbl [07:07] jbailey: in anycase i wouldn't base anything on 2.6.10 for breezy [07:07] just start using 2.6.12 [07:07] even if it is in universe [07:08] Is it in universe? [07:08] I saw that 2.6.11 is in there. [07:08] it is on the way to universe [07:08] only amd64 is there [07:08] buildd are working on it [07:08] unfortunatly the kernel takes ages to build without (shared) ccache [07:17] r/wind goto 5 [07:17] ops [07:32] fabbione: ppc is on #5/6, i386 #5/5 (but has arch: all). ia64, should anyone care, is on #2/4 [07:34] lamont: goody... [07:34] what about hppa? [07:34] lamont: i already opened the dances for 12rc4 [07:34] fabbione: hppa is waiting for glibc [07:34] ha [07:34] i thought that was solved [07:35] s/solved/known/ [07:35] and solution available. [07:35] it's a matter of time to add it [07:35] ok [07:35] and that's due sometime soonish [07:36] rocking [07:37] lamont: btw.. don't get crazy to grab the ABI files from 91-1.1 [07:37] heh [07:38] it's pointless in the middle of RC's === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:17] lamont: argh.. why did the kernel failed on i386???? [08:18] i DID BUILD ARCH ALL! [08:18] openjade:/build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.11.91/debian/build/linux-source-2.6.12/Documentation/DocBook/wanbook.xml:3:61:E: error connecting to "www.oasis-open.org" (Connection timed out) [08:18] there is something broken somewhere else [08:19] openjade:/build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.11.91/debian/build/linux-source-2.6.12/Documentation/DocBook/wanbook.xml:3:61:E: error connecting to "www.oasis-open.org" (Connection timed out) [08:19] fix openjade [08:19] oh f**k [08:20] fabbione: and for future fun and joy, build in a chroot on a machine that is blocked from internet access [08:21] I HATE THIS CRAP [08:22] it was working before... [08:22]