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makodholbach: dude08:16
makodholbach: too fast08:16
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^robmeeting starts here in 40 minutes right?07:20
dholbach1h40m07:20
hungerno idea...07:20
^robahh07:21
^roboky, thx07:21
Riddell19:00, 40 minutes07:22
fabbione1 hour and 40 minutes07:23
fabbione19:00 UTC07:23
fabbionewe are +2 in EU07:23
Riddelloh wait, UK isn't on GMT just now, oops07:23
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Kamion(let's be clear)07:33
dholbachKamion: :-)07:34
^robRiddell: it should be NEITHER instead of NOT07:35
Kamion"NOT ..., nor ..." is fine07:36
Kamion"NEITHER ... nor ..." (no comma) would also be fine07:37
^robKamion: is that requirement of neitehr with nor an American specific thing?07:38
KamionI don't know. This is the first time I've heard it claimed anywhere.07:39
Kamionthe two sentences have different emphases07:40
Kamionnot/nor emphasises the first, and the second is basically a parenthetical comment07:41
Kamionneither/nor puts the two on equal footing07:41
^robKamion: I lean torward "not #ubuntu OR #ubuntu-devel"07:41
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Kamionthat sounds actively wrong to me07:42
Kamion"neither #ubuntu NOR #ubuntu-devel"07:42
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Kamionthis is a startlingly OT conversation though ;)07:44
thegreedyturtleOT?07:44
jbaileyHow can it be off topic when it's about the /topic?07:45
thegreedyturtleah07:45
Seveaslol07:45
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hunger^rob: How about: !(#ubuntu-devel || #ubuntu)08:12
thomhunger: meaningless to most users08:12
hunger^rob: not #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu looks wrong;-)08:12
hungerthom: Right:-)08:12
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hungerthom: But (not x or y) != not x or y. Well, I am probably too CS-ly for this world.08:14
=== fabbione sighs
nufanHas the meeting got underway yet?08:14
fabbionein 45 minutes08:14
nufanUTC == GMT?08:15
thomnufan: yes08:15
nufanTa08:15
fabbionenufan: more or less yes08:15
thom(without pedanting, anyway)08:15
hungernufan: GMT is UTC but with daylight saving or the other way round.08:15
nufanWait, so 19:00 UTC is 20:00 GMT?08:16
fabbioneno08:16
fabbioneGMT = UTC08:16
nufan(I'm an idiot08:17
fabbionethere is no daylight saving08:17
hungerfabbione: Are you sure?08:17
thomhunger: yes08:17
fabbionethe difference goes at astronomic level08:17
fabbioneyes08:17
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thomthe difference is between atomic and astronomical time iirc08:17
hungerthom: I made that claim the last time... and everybody told me that was wrong.08:18
Kamionhow bizarre. fabbione and thom are correct, anyway.08:19
hungerthom: Looks like I normally hang out with idiots;-)08:19
nufanSo... the meeting is an hour late08:19
jbaileyWhen in doubt, right click your gnome clock, go to preferences, and set "Use UTC" =)08:20
nufan'cos it's 1900 GMT here.08:20
thomnufan: no, it's 1820GMT08:20
thom19:20 ~/work/packages/hoary% date -u08:20
thomMon May  9 18:20:19 UTC 200508:20
Riddellnufan: you are more likely to be on BST08:20
nufanI'm in England08:20
Kamionnufan: then you are on BST, not GMT08:20
nufanWhatever the hell that means for the time.08:20
thomthe UK is gmt/utc +108:20
thomcurrently08:21
jbaileyIs Greenwich even on GMT? =)08:21
Kamionjbailey: nope08:21
nufanThat makes no sense.08:21
thomjbailey: at the moment, no :-)08:21
jbaileySweet. =)08:21
Kamionnufan: surely you must have heard of summer time08:21
thomnufan: during the winter, it is. during the summer, we do daylight savings and go forward an hour08:21
hungerArg! Somebody should build a flat planet!08:21
nufanUs brits invented time, so we can do whatever the hell we like with it :P08:21
Riddellwe get so spoilt at being in sync with GMT for half the year we forget we're out of sync the rest of the time08:21
Riddellnufan: acutally it was a Scottish Canadian man08:22
nufanI know about DST08:22
nufanBut I assumed britan was on GMT08:22
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KamionBST => British Summer Time08:22
afrankehi all08:22
nufanHello08:22
hungerAt least we got the timezone confusion covered before the meeting starts;-)08:23
nufanheh08:23
hungerSo far that was the hot topic for the first 30 min (and min. 60-90) of each IRC meeting I attended.08:23
afrankestill half an hour to wait, huh ?08:23
nufanThe wiki agenda is for Tuesday, whats being discussed today?08:23
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Kamionnufan: breezy kickoff08:23
nufanNeato.08:23
dholbachnufan: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar08:24
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KaiLin which channel was that advert? ;)08:35
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dsasI've just realised the UK isn't running on UTC at the mo :$ whoops08:37
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afranke:)08:37
afrankeguess it's UTC+1 ?08:38
dholbachno08:38
Kamionthe UK is on UTC+0100, yes08:39
WebWizstarts in 20 min then right?08:39
WebWizeither that our i calculated it wrong lol08:39
Seveasin the next meeting announcement, please mention date -u08:40
Seveas:)\08:40
afrankehttp://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java for those who are looking for a UTC timer08:40
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Amaranth10 minutes?08:49
afrankeyeah08:50
Seveasencounting...08:50
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dholbachhey JanC 08:52
dholbachjani08:52
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janihey dholbach :)08:52
zulhey08:52
Nafallohmm, I need more coffein here. :-)08:52
dholbachgood thinking08:52
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=== Nafallo left early from frenchclass. Grammar sucks ;-).
\shg'evening gentlemen08:54
Echylohi08:54
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Treenakshello08:54
zulthere is a meeting today?08:54
Treenaksin ~6 minutes08:54
=== afranke is French and does like French Grammar:)
thomzul: breezy kickoff08:54
afrankezul stands for ?08:54
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Echyloas long it is not german grammar, it's allright :p08:54
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afrankeoh ok08:55
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\shi liked french grammar :) easy to accomplish, reading as well easy, but speaking and writing sometimes ;)08:55
KaiLEchylo: there is no real German grammar, it's random ;)08:55
afrankeyeah, German grammar is hard08:55
Echylohaha08:55
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\shKaiL: hahaha08:55
thomgood morning mdz08:55
mdzmorning08:55
ograhey mdz08:55
mdzthe Breezy kickoff meeting will begin in 2 minutes08:55
ogra:)08:55
afrankehey08:55
ajmitch_morning 08:55
jbaileyg'm mdz08:55
\shafranke: learn latin and u will your german challenge08:55
jeroen_Latin :)08:56
afrankeI actually learned latin a bit08:56
EchyloI did latin for 2 years, didn't helped much08:56
elmomdz: dude, your clock's out again08:56
afranke:)08:56
Echylohelp*08:56
\shEchylo: well...I learned it from my son...after all, it's quite easy ;)08:56
Echylo:)08:56
\shEchylo: and after that, I understood some of our stupid german grammar ;)08:56
Echylowell it's quite dead, so I don't worry08:56
jeroen_not in the courts08:57
Echyloand I don't even try to understand german08:57
\shEchylo: it will become famouse again ;) wait until papa was in germany ;)08:57
Echylo:)08:57
\shjust joking..no offense :)08:57
mdzelmo: step time server 82.211.81.145 offset -139.290417 sec08:57
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mvomorning mdz 08:57
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afrankemdz: shouldn't you switch Tue 17 and Tue 10 in the chan's topic ?08:58
mdzI sync time to my router, whose clock drift is insane08:58
mdzafranke: no, CC is tomorrow and TB is one week following08:58
Treenaksmdz: oh.. time drift is not /that/ insane? :P08:58
afrankeyeah but I mean 10 comes before 1708:58
thommdz: i think afranke was suggesting that the CC announce should be first in the topic08:58
afrankeright thom08:59
Amaranth*ding*09:00
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mdzTreenaks: about 12 seconds/hour09:00
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mdzok, let's get started09:00
JaneWmdz: we gonna wait a minute for stragglers?09:00
JaneWok, not09:00
mdzJaneW: let's see if anyone's missing09:00
Echyloyea, need to get some coke :p09:00
mdzI know infinity couldn't make it09:00
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\shevening amu :)09:01
amumoin09:01
JaneWchmj didn;t make it either09:01
ograhey amu09:01
mdzif you're an Ubuntu developer, please state that you're present09:01
jbaileymdz: here09:01
ograhere09:01
=== mvo waves
=== Treenaks present
evarlasthi jammcq, jay wren formerly from OU here :)09:02
Riddellpresent09:02
=== pitti waves
seb128present09:02
zulpresent09:02
=== amu waves
dholbachhere09:02
ajmitch_present09:02
haggaihere09:02
thomhere09:02
=== seb128 waves too
janihi09:02
=== fabbione is here
lamontmoo09:02
mdzfabbione, doko?09:02
mdzah, hi fabbione09:02
fabbionemdz :)09:02
dokohere09:02
mdzJaneW: did daniels say whether he would be here?09:03
Kamionpresent09:03
Amaranthelmo?09:03
mdzelmo is here09:03
JaneWmdz: no not specifically09:03
=== Nafallo is here :-)
Kamionhe set his sleep cycle with the intent of being here09:03
AmaranthLast I heard from daniels was him going to bed about 6 hours ago.09:04
NafalloMithrandir: did you make it?09:04
Kamion13:03 < daniels> seb128: in the morning, need to go to bed now for breezy kickoff meeting09:04
Kamion(UTC+0100)09:04
AmaranthHe'll probably show up in the middle.09:05
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mdzok, let's get started then09:05
mdzthe meat of this meeting will be to review the list of Breezy targets, and determine who will work on which features09:05
mdzwe have a long list, so we won't be able to spend much time on any of them09:05
Amaranthwhere is the list?09:05
mdzthey're all specified in the UDU wiki if anyone would like to review09:05
nufanhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals09:06
mdzno, that page is not valid09:06
mdz(yet)09:06
nufanSorry.09:06
Amaranththat's probably what we're adding to here :)09:06
mdzhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs09:06
mdzthat's the list we'll be working from today09:06
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mdzinfinity: hey, welcome09:07
Amaranthwow, you weren't kidding about it being long09:07
dholbachmdz: please remove GettingInvolvedInUniverse - it was a hands-on--experience BOF09:07
thommdz: no BluetoothSupport?09:07
pittigrrr09:07
mdzthom: that must have been missing a tag; I've added it to my local copy09:07
ajmitch_Amaranth: it was a busy week09:07
dholbachthom, pitti: we had so much fun in the BOF :-)09:08
seb128seen, pitti is not happy ;)09:08
mdzdholbach: thanks09:08
thommdz: ah, k09:08
seb128s/n//09:08
Kamiondholbach: remove BreezyGoal from that page, maybe09:08
mdzI trimmed the list by hand, but clearly I missed a few non-feature BOFs09:08
dholbachwill do09:08
mdzKamion: BreezyGoal is meaningless at this point; I'll be going through after the meeting09:08
Kamionfigured it might be a bit, yeah09:08
mdzso, starting from the top09:08
dholbachKamion: done09:08
mdzAudioCDBurinng09:08
mdzseb128 and ogra worked on this spec09:08
ograyep09:08
seb128I've already uploaded serpentine09:08
mptBreezyGoal was on all BoFs by default and people forgot to remove it09:09
seb128I'll take care of it09:09
ograand gnomebakert is in already09:09
ogra-t09:09
mdzogra: will you follow up on the remainder of the plan?09:09
ograyep09:09
mdzgreat09:09
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mdzAudioInftrastructure, pitti and fabbione worked on this spec09:09
mdzAudioInfrastructure, even09:09
pittiwe could get into trouble with dmix, but it's worth a try09:10
fabbionemdz: yes, i already took some tasks inside it (kernel side)09:10
fabbionemdz: but the rest is alsa expert field09:10
mdzwill you jointly own this project for Breezy?09:10
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pittiyes09:10
mdzor is there anyone else who would like to get involved?09:10
fabbionemdz: i will take care of the kernel side...09:10
pitticrimsum09:10
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pitticrimsun, even09:10
dholbachcrimsun09:10
mdzhave you talked with him already?09:10
crimsunsure thing, I'll look at the url09:10
crimsun(sorry, just reattached)09:10
mdzI wouldn't want to volunteer him for something without his permission ;-)09:11
mdzok, take a look, we'll move on meanwhile09:11
mdzBluetoothSupport09:11
thomyep09:11
mdzthom and pitti worked on the spec09:11
fabbionedoes it need anything from the kernel side?09:12
=== pitti has not a single bt device
mdzthom: does it require both of you?09:12
thomi'm happy to take this on; i actually have some bluetooth hardware now :-)09:12
mdzwho would like to help thom with bluetooth?09:12
RiddellI'll make sure kbluetooth gets pacakaged, although I don't think it's in the spec09:12
mdzespecially those of you with appropriate hardware to use for testing09:12
JaneWQ: are we make one person primarily responsible or a first and second?09:12
fabbionethom: is there anything that needs to be done kernel side?09:12
thomfabbione: not that i'm aware of09:12
fabbionethom: ok thanks09:12
mdzJaneW: generally either one or two people take responsibility, depending on the project09:12
thomfabbione: the bluetooth drivers are pretty much complete afaik09:12
dholbachi can help testing09:13
mdzI expect this will not always be the same set of people who worked on the spec09:13
abarbacciai can help testing as well - i have a bunch of bluetooth hardware09:13
mdzJaneW: please make a note of people who volunteer to help with testing and such, even if they can't take responsibility for implementation09:13
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mdzthom: can you own bluetooth, or do you feel that you need a second?09:14
=== \sh could try to contact marcel holtmann, to help out eventually
\shold working buddy09:14
thommdz: i think i can own it09:14
mdzthom: ok, for the missing pieces, I'll need for you to create more detailed specs so that we have the option of bounties for them09:15
thommdz: i'll just need lots of testing help; there's an awful lot of hardware to cover09:15
mdzBrandingForDerivatives09:15
thommdz: noted09:15
KamionI'm already in progress on the installer side of BFD09:15
mdzkamion and pitti were the spec leads09:15
Kamion(discussing with upstream; anything I can't do upstream I'll do locally)09:15
mdzI'd like for the two of you to stay with this one, since there's a lot of context09:15
pittiI can help a bit where possible, but it's mostly installer related09:15
pittiof course I'm in09:16
Kamionagreed. I'd prefer not to be sucked into the non-installer side though, if possible09:16
JaneWmdz: belated, sure09:16
Kamionso sounds like a joint project09:16
jbaileymdz: I can help look at that too, since I've done some of it once.09:16
mdzEdubuntu will be jeff elkner, colin applegate and eric harrison09:16
pittiKamion: okay, then I'm responsible for the non-installer side then09:16
mdzI don't think they were able to attend this meeting09:17
Kamionpitti: nod09:17
jammcqmdz: i've got a SkoleLinux buddy who might like to help with Edubuntu09:17
mdzExpandingUniverse, ogra and dholbach?09:17
ograyep09:17
dholbachyes09:17
=== ajmitch_ also
dholbachalready working on it ;-)09:17
mdzjammcq: please send contact details to JaneW09:17
jammcqk09:17
=== \sh looks interessted ;)
mdzFormalTestPlans didn't quite make it onto the schedule at UDU09:18
jbaileyI'm interested in FTP09:18
Riddell\sh: lets get you to MOTU first (then we can take over universe)09:18
mdzis anyone interested in the development of formal QA test plans for testing Ubuntu?09:18
mdzjbailey: ok09:18
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\shRiddell: aggreed :)09:18
ogramdz, amu already has some...09:18
amumdz: sounds fine for me 09:18
dholbachamu: didn't you have QA test plans?09:18
dholbachah ok :-)09:18
mdzamu: ok, thanks09:18
ajmitch_dholbach: there was AutomatedTesting as well09:19
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mdzGraphicalInstaller was a discussion/roadmap BOF09:19
ograamu, i'll be there to help out 09:19
pittimdz: AutomatedTesting sounds like a subset of Formal QA09:19
AmaranthIs JaneW the secretary or something? :)09:19
mdzpitti: they are related, but FormalTestPlans is about creating documents that the community can use to participate in formal testing09:19
mdzpitti: step-by-step test plans09:19
KamionGraphicalInstaller has one piece left in it09:19
Kamionnamely putting the base system onto the live CD09:20
mdzAmaranth: JaneW is the newest member of the Ubuntu team09:20
jbaileypitti: FormalTestPlans should include user acceptance testing, and such.09:20
infinitymdz : Count me in on FTP with jbailey.09:20
amuogra: ack09:20
mdzeveryone say hello to JaneW ;-)09:20
dholbachJaneW: you rock! :-)09:20
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pittihello JaneW 09:20
ogra hello to JaneW ;-)09:20
=== dsas waves at JaneW
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Amaranthmdz: Ah. You said to send info to her so I thought she was the meeting secretary. :)09:20
crimsunhi again, JaneW :)09:20
dokoJaneW: hello JaneW 09:20
infinity"Good morning, miss W!"09:20
NafalloJaneW: hi there :-)09:20
fabbionemdz: not only.. she is also our new kernel name release manager :)09:20
=== Amaranth waves
mdzshe will be helping us from a project management angle09:20
seb128hello JaneW 09:20
ograyeah09:20
ajmitch_hi JaneW :)09:20
afrankehi JaneW09:20
KaiLthe most mportant with a graphical installer is an easy way to disable it :p09:20
Amaranthnogui boot option?09:21
thomJaneW: know who we all are yet? ;-)09:21
KamionKaiL: it doesn't sound like you've read the spec at all09:21
mdzogra: are you still interested in working on GraphicalPartitioningTool?09:21
\shKaiL: server install will fit for you ;)09:21
ogramdz, sure09:21
dholbachmdz: me too09:21
mdzogra,dholbach: great09:21
ogramdz, but dholbach would be a great addition09:21
mvomdz: if help is needed there, I'm in too09:21
ajmitch_I can help there also09:21
dholbachwoohoo! :-)09:21
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dholbachthe more the merrier :-)09:22
ajmitch_ogra: it's good fun ;)09:22
mdzLTSPXorgConfiguration is a daniels and jammcq affair09:22
\shogra: have a look at redhat installer ;)09:22
TheMusomdz: if accessibility is being considered, I can put my hand up to help make sure that happens.09:22
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TheMusoFor the installer.09:22
mdzmvo: thanks09:22
mdzguys, we're not here to discuss the specs; we can do that on the mailing list and in the wiki09:22
KaiL\sh: problem are more laptops, which doesn't like framebuffer and such - but that's OT now09:22
zuli can help kernel side if need be09:22
jbaileyparted is apparently looking for a new upstream, so you might run into issues there.09:22
mdzour primary purpose here is to organize who is going to work on which projects09:22
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KamionTheMuso: best if you work with either me or whoever ends up working on UbuntuExpress for that09:23
mdzLanguagePackRoadmap -> pitti?09:23
pittiof course09:23
mdzpitti: who can work with you on that?09:23
pittiwith carlos' help09:23
pittifor the Rosetta side09:23
mdzpitti: I think someone from the distro side should work with you on it, since currently I think you're the only one who is very familiar with the language pack infrastructure09:24
pittiamu or Riddell would be nice, too, for the Kubuntu parts09:24
RiddellI can do that09:24
amupitti: sure 09:24
pittiindeed, someone else should learn that stuff, too09:24
mdzJaneW: put Charles down for language packs as well09:24
JaneWok09:24
mdzLaunchpadIntegration is next09:24
pittiis adi still on board?09:25
JaneWpitti: yes09:25
mdzJaneW: for all of Breezy?09:25
JaneWmdz: I thought so, I heard they wanted to involve her more...09:25
mdzok09:25
JaneWI'll check09:25
mdzseb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration09:26
mdzseb128: can you handle the Ubuntu side, and we'll get someone from Launchpad also?09:26
seb128no pb09:26
mdzthanks09:26
mdzJaneW: we'll need to requisition a launchpad developer from kiko/stevea09:26
Nafallomdz: I can jump on to the languepacks09:26
mdzNafallo: sure09:27
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pittiHey daf09:27
dafhi09:27
seb128hey daf09:27
JaneWdid we skip ContentFiltering?09:27
mdzNFSRoot is part of EarlyUserspace at this point, right jbailey?09:27
dholbachdaf: <mdz> seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration09:27
mdzJaneW: yes, thanks09:27
dafdholbach: ah, context, thanks09:27
jbaileymdz: Yup, it's a couple add on scripts, and then some fixes to other existing packages.09:27
fabbionejbailey: is there anything you need kernel side for it+09:28
mdzjbailey: that's yours, then09:28
jbaileyfabbione: Nothing at all. =)09:28
mdzfabbione: nothing we don't have already09:28
fabbionejbailey: ok...09:28
mdzhmm, except the initramfs infrastructure09:28
mdzwhich needs kernel-package modifications, I assume09:28
fabbionemdz: i need to be sure.. i saw around 20 references to the kernel outside the kernel roadmap09:28
jbaileyRight, those are make-kpkg changes, not actual in-kernel stuff, though.09:28
fabbionejbailey: ok, than i am with you on this09:29
jbailey'k09:29
mdzMithrandir: are you here?09:29
Kamionhas anyone phoned daniels, btw? if not, I can09:29
mdzMithrandir was second on EarlyUserspace, if he can work with jbailey on that, that'd be ideal09:29
mdzKamion: I haven't, and please do09:29
Nafallomdz: he's in oslo. he should try to get internetaccess, but wasn't sure...09:29
mdzJaneW: let's check with Tollef when he returns09:29
jbaileyI chatted with him 45 minutes ago.09:30
infinityfabbione : If you need/want help with anything make-kpkg related, let me know... I've been in pretty deep with Manoj many times.09:30
mdzjumping back to ContentFiltering...09:30
fabbioneinfinity: thanks, that will be breat09:30
fabbionegreat even09:30
mdzJaneW: ContentFiltering is jeff elkner and eric harrison; they aren't here, but it's an Edubuntu supporting feature09:30
Kamionanswerphone from daniels' mobile09:30
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Seveassilence..?09:31
mdzNetworkMagic -- thom?09:31
thomyeppity yep09:31
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daniels*cough*09:32
pittiHey daniels!09:32
Amaranthyay!09:32
infinityMorning, sunshine.09:32
ogradaniels !09:32
seb128hey daniels 09:32
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ajmitch_morning daniels 09:32
danielsmorning09:32
JaneWhi daniels09:32
danielshi all09:32
mdzdaniels: interested in working with thom on NetworkMagic?09:32
Kamiondaniels: don't think you've missed anything that belonged to you yet; we're working down http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs, currently at NetworkMagic09:32
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ajmitch_mdz: I'm interested09:33
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Nafallothom: I'll help testing on amd64 when you need it :-)09:34
mdzajmitch_: cool09:34
SeveasDoes networkmagic also cover WPA/802.1X for wireless networks?09:34
mdzSeveas: no, that's more of an ISPAuthentication issue09:34
danielsmdz: depends on how much it would involve; if ajmitch could better do it, that would work out well09:34
infinitymdz : I BoFd NetworkMagic a bit, and some of it runs squarely down my alley.09:34
Treenaksmdz: it should be part of NetMagic I guess09:34
Seveasmdz, WPA isn;t really an ISP thing09:34
thomNafallo: i'm on amd64, but testing will be good :-)09:34
Seveasit really should belong at NetworkMagic09:35
mdzinfinity: ok, you and ajmitch can work with thom on it09:35
mdzSeveas: that BOF was difficult to name; trust me that it fits there ;-)09:35
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Seveasok :)09:35
Seveasi'll wait for that one09:35
mdzSeveas: it includes network access authentication stuff in general09:35
lamontmdz: WirelessNetworkMagic has the WEP/WPA stuff, and exists as a spec of things that NetworkMagic needs to handle09:35
mdzWirelessNetworkManagement, you mean?09:36
thomyes09:36
mdzI don't see WPA mentioned there09:36
mdzat any rate, NetworkMagic itself will be complex enough, we can separate off the WPA bits09:37
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mdzNetworkWideUpdates, specified by mvo and infinity09:37
mvomdz: I can take it09:37
jbaileymdz: I had many conversations with mvo and infinity, I'd like to be involved on thatl09:38
mdzI'm sure we have a number of folks here who would like to at least participate in testing09:38
mdz(if you're among them, speak up)09:38
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mdzjbailey: ok, sounds good09:38
fabbionei can test i think09:38
infinitymdz : I'll stay involved on that one, as well.09:38
haggaiI'm apt-proxy author and am available if need be09:39
Nafallomdz: I'll test :-)09:39
mdzI'm not sure that it needs three people, but we can put all of you down and see how it falls later09:39
infinitymdz : <nod>09:39
fabbionemdz: i already did something similar in a previous job09:39
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infinityEasier to kick people off a task than to bring new people in.09:39
fabbionemdz: so i can help there09:39
mdzfabbione: ok09:39
mdzOEMInstaller09:40
mdzspecified by Kamion and Mithrandir09:40
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JaneWmdz: I am not clear what I need to check with Tollef...09:40
JaneWoh EarlyUserSpace, whether he'll run with it?09:40
mdzJaneW: yes09:40
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mdzJaneW: also OEMInstaller now09:40
JaneWmdz: sorry I have horrible lag here suddenly - I'll try to keep up09:41
mdzJaneW: we can go over the log afterward if necessary09:41
Amaranthwe lost thom! :/09:41
Kamionit seems practically certain that I'll end up involved in OEMInstaller somehow09:41
infinityKamion : Seems so, yes.09:41
mdzKamion: I should hope so09:41
ograheh09:41
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Nafallohehe09:41
TreenaksKamion: doesn't the branding tie into it as well?09:41
KamionI may as well lead it09:41
infinityKamion : If you need more input, it's something I'm quite interested in.09:41
mdzKamion: agreed09:42
elmowe should just auto-assign anything matching '.*staller.*' to kamion and move on 09:42
elmo;P09:42
fabbioneelmo: ehhehe09:42
KamionTreenaks: OEMs might well want that, but I think it's orthogonal to that spec09:42
ograelmo, like "the partitioner ate my disk" ?09:42
mdzelmo: we need to distribute the installer experience a bit :-P09:42
mdzOpenOfficeLocalisation is next09:42
Kamioninfinity: yes, please. I don't know how much time Tollef will have early on.09:43
mdzspecified by doko and carlos09:43
dokoyes, we should work both on that09:43
mdzdoko: we definitely want you on this09:43
mdzJaneW: need to confirm with Launchpad mgmt regarding carlos09:43
JaneWmdz: ok09:43
mdzPrintingRoadmap, specified by pitti and daniels09:44
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mdz(speaking of which, I switched from hpoj to hplip yesterday, and it's 100% better)09:44
pittimdz: then we need you for testing09:44
infinityJaneW : Sign me up for OEMInstaller, if you haven't already.09:44
mdzI believe daniels has similar hardware, which is one of the reasons he's associated with this topic09:44
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JaneWinfinity: done ;)09:44
KaiLprinting is something, which might need very much testers..?09:45
mdzKaiL: definitely09:45
pittimdz: ah, ok; however, I can do and test the other magic 09:45
elmothe lunchpad has a HP now09:45
elmo(FWIW)09:45
AmaranthI have a lexmark p707 i can be a guinea pig with, if needed.09:45
infinityPrintingRoadmap will need lots of testers, not the least of reasons being that most programmer don't own printers. :/09:45
KaiLlol09:45
=== fabbione can borrow a printer for testing
mdzpitti: hplip just needs to be de-rooted, and we should be able to add it to the default install to have all-in-ones Just Work09:45
AmaranthI actually had to installed an rpm to make it work, so I'm interested. :)09:45
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mdzdaniels: can you stick with PrintingRoadmap?09:46
minghuaI've got a HP inkjet (845C I think) and I can help testing if needed09:46
jbaileyI have a mixed network I can use for windows testing of printing, but that might be more under WindowsInteroperability09:46
danielsmdz: sure09:46
mdzok09:46
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infinityjbailey : I'm just going to steal you wholesale for anything vaguely Win32-related.09:46
danielsi'm not entirely convinced I'll get to keep the psc1210 with me when I move out09:46
mdzShtoomVoip, specified by `anthony and thom09:46
danielsbut I should at least have access to it when I need it09:46
KaiLwe could use the community for testing here - if any printer needs manual work, this manual work should be automated in the next version09:46
mdz`anthony is likely asleep09:46
jbaileyinfinity: Yes, dear.09:46
Nafallocanon bjc-600e parallell avalible.09:46
thom_quite happy to take shtoom packaging, daf's done most of the hardwork ;-)09:47
dafthom: you're welcome :)09:48
Nafallothom: I hope to be able to test bits of that :-).09:48
dafthom: I have some FHS compliance work on my todo list09:48
thommdz: the server side stuff will need to drag elmo in, too09:48
mdzthom: yes09:48
elmouh, whatnow?09:48
fabbioneelmo: you get to pay beer to everybody09:48
pittifabbione ++09:48
thomelmo: sip servers on our hardware... i mean, what fabio said09:48
elmooh, that, ok09:49
fabbione;)09:49
elmothat crack is a breezy goal?09:49
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dafthom: will you be doing the SER packaging, then?09:49
thomelmo: ya09:49
elmoscore09:49
mdzJaneW: in addition to the packaging bits of this, there's a pretty sizeable development project; we need to check with Mark on his plans for that09:49
Nafallothom: asterisk connectivity will be there for me to test, right? :-)09:50
mdzThinClientIntegration will be primarily jammcq and myself09:50
mdzthough we will need a lot of testers09:50
JaneWmdz: ok...09:50
mdzJaneW: adi mentioned that she had testing facilities available09:50
fabbionemdz: count on me for testing...09:50
jbaileyI should be marked on there somewhere, since it depends on nfsroot and earlyuserspace.09:50
mdzand hopefully jammcq can help get us in contact with testers from the LTSP community09:51
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mdzjbailey: yes, that's a direct dependency09:51
=== jammcq has many many people just begging to test
mdzexcellent09:51
mdzToggleDesktopModes, specified by jdub and seb12809:52
seb128mdz: I've worked on sabayon yesterday and today, package ready09:52
seb128mdz: so for me09:52
dholbachseb128: woohoo09:52
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mdzdholbach: I take that to mean that you'll work with seb128 on it? ;-)09:53
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dholbachmdz: the GNOME team will :-)09:53
ograhehe09:53
=== infinity keeps waiting for each spec to be followed by seb128 saying "I already packaged that"...
sivangnow here is someone you havn't seen for some time :-)09:53
seb128ah ah09:53
Amaranthhehe09:53
mdzRiddell: let's discuss that sometime soon; I think it overlaps in some places but doesn't provide the same functionality that we originally intended for this feature09:53
dholbachinfinity: ho wait... that's all ExpandingUniverse, right? :-)09:53
mdzJaneW: I know sivang is interested in helping with LaunchpadIntegration09:53
sivangJanC: very much :-)09:54
JaneWok, noted09:54
mdzToolchainRoadmap was specified by doko and jbailey, and they are already making progress on it09:54
jbaileyAyup09:55
seb128mdz: there is no real need to help with the way we have picked (ie: there is not a lot of work), but right 09:55
mdzthere's a substantial universe component to that, so perhaps dholbach or ogra should be involved09:55
dholbachjbailey, doko: when will be the big bang for c++?09:55
JaneWcould people who I don't know, but are volunteering to help,  please mail me with their real name, nick name  (and e-mail address) to janew@ubuntu.com. thanks.09:55
ogramdz, ok09:55
dholbachmdz: absolutely09:56
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mdzok, both09:56
dokomdz: helping hands for the renaming uploads of library packages would be nice.09:56
jbaileyJaneW: What % of the distro team does that include?09:56
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AmaranthJaneW: Volunteering to help or test?09:56
lamontjbailey: she has a spreadsheet now, with all of us.09:57
tseng|workjbaily: what % is 3 of 16?09:57
dholbachdoko: i'll mobilize the MOTU side of the force :-)09:57
NafalloJaneW: done09:57
infinitydoko : I'm in for rapid transition stuff.09:57
seb128jbailey: that probably includes me, I never got the mail about the evolution bug I was supposed to get :p09:57
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JaneWjbailey: watch-it, I studied!09:57
dokoinfinity: fine09:57
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lamontdoko: how much of the rename is scriptable?09:57
mdzdoko,JaneW: charles can work with doko on ToolchainRoadmap09:57
truluxheya09:57
pittiHi trulux 09:57
truluxhey pitti 09:57
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dholbachlamont: don't think it's possible - because of changed and tightened build-depends, or am i wrong, doko?09:58
truluxpitti: I came to talk a bit on the new spec.09:58
pittitrulux: in #ubuntu-devel please09:58
dholbachtrulux: we're mostly assigning09:58
dokolamont: I don't think much for the libraries. better do these by hand.09:58
tseng|worktrulux: can you please follow the agenda09:58
truluxpitti: before uploading andso on (I got back a partially funcitonal box until I recover the backups from the devel. one)09:58
lamontdoko: ok09:58
sivanghey trulux 09:58
truluxhey sivang !09:58
mdzUbuntuExpress is primarily my fault, but I don't expect to have the time to be the lead on the implementation (and I don't expect Kamion to either)09:58
truluxtseng|work: sure09:58
KamionI imagine both of us will be contributing fairly significantly, but agreed09:59
JaneWmdz: time check, we're an hour in now.09:59
ogramdz, i'd like to care for the gui part09:59
tseng|worktrulux: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs, we'll get to you09:59
mdzJaneW: kiko mentioned that he had people in Brazil who were very interested in UbuntuExpress, we need to follow up on that09:59
mdzJaneW: thanks, I think we'll probably cut it off at 2 hours and defer the rest to mail or a second meeting09:59
Kamionwhoever takes it up needs to be very conscious of working with people, and not just going it alone (a symptom I've noticed)09:59
Kamionsince much of the point is to have something well-integrated10:00
Amaranthok, let's start flying :)10:00
truluxtseng|work: ok, thanks. I'll get finished the u-h spec soon10:00
mdzJaneW: ogra + check-with-kiko's-people on UbuntuExpress10:00
ograthanks :)10:00
mdzJaneW: they'll be working directly with me and Colin to be sure that it follows our intentions10:01
Kamiona number of people have expressed interest in a live CD installer at various times, so we should get design stuff out early and often10:01
Kamionto bring them in10:01
mvomdz: I would like to be part of it too 10:01
mdzmvo: sounds good10:01
mdzKamion: yes, it will need extreme amounts of testing10:02
mdzVideoPlaybackRoadmap, specified by seb128 and daniels10:02
seb128mdz: I'm handling the gstreamer part, daniels the xine part10:02
mdzsounds good10:02
mdzJaneW: Charles expressed interest as well10:03
danielsyeah, I'm going to be putting a newer xine into universe10:03
mdzand of course there will be gobs of testers needed10:03
JaneWmdz: ok10:03
mdzdaniels: and trying to get a stripped-down xine into main, right?10:03
Nafallodaniels: great! I'll test it :-).10:03
mdz(the goal is to have a reasonable playback engine in main)10:03
elmomdz: reasonable how?10:03
Amaranthwouldn't gstreamer cover that?10:03
tseng|worka member at the bof thought it was very feasible to rip out patented bits of xine10:04
elmo(err, nm, can discuss elsewhere)10:04
Amaranthwith pitfdll it handles all major formats10:04
seb128Amaranth: the spec says we keep both option and pick the best one10:04
KaiLtseng|work: and what is left then?10:04
tseng|workpitfdll isnt distributable in a working state, no dlls10:04
tseng|workKaiL: open formats without ridiculous sync issues in gst?10:04
mdzok, no time to discuss it now, review the spec and take discussion to the mailing list10:04
tseng|workanyway, discuss later10:04
tim1tseng|work: with gstreamer you can just decide which modules you want to have in main or universe, no hassle with stripped-down versions10:05
KaiLtseng|work: problem that around no files are in these open formats :(10:05
mdzXRoadmap will be led by daniels10:05
Nafallonaturally :-)10:05
KaiLso better force the people to install media support later than have something nearly useless as default..10:05
fabbionemdz: i will be around as backup10:05
mdzfabbione: ok10:06
danielsseems pretty sensible, yeah10:06
fabbionedaniels: start to put everything in arch archives please..10:06
danielsmdz: i believe the plan with xine was to strip it down in universe and see how feasible it was, and then to later use that to make a decision on gstreamer vs xine10:06
danielsfabbione: i'm putting all the smaller packages into bazaar-ng archives as I split them10:06
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fabbionedaniels: ok. 10:06
mdzXen is already being implemented by fabbione10:06
fabbionemdz: no, Xen plans have changes10:07
jbaileyI should probaby be on that, some of the glibc changes affect Xen.10:07
fabbionemdz: Mithrandir and smurfix are working on it now10:07
Amaranththat's a 2.6.12 feature, isn't it?10:07
fabbioneAmaranth: no10:07
dholbachthere was somebody on the mailing list having success with it10:07
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jbaileyJaneW: Oh please don't... ;)10:07
ograhehe10:07
afedis this a meeting10:07
fabbionemdz: Mithrandir and smurfix are also evaluating another virtualization implementation that is more portable than xen10:07
dholbachafed: yes10:07
NafalloI'm gonna test Xen aswell ;-)10:07
afedo10:07
hungerfabbione: Which one?10:08
mdzJaneW: ok, need to follow up with Mithrandir and smurfix and see where that's going10:08
fabbionemdz: my side i will be available when it is time to merge into the main kernel as we agreed during the BoF10:08
sivangmdz: do we support pSeries hypervisor virtualization like redhat and suse does? (i.e. all it takes is a patched kernel for virutal hardware and hypervisor connectivity)10:08
fabbionehunger: it's not publically available yet.10:08
mdzsivang: we haven't looked at it yet; I didn't realize the software was free10:09
sivangfabbione: I have access to the hardware, would love to test a such when/if realized10:09
sivangmdz: ah ok, if I have further details, I'll email -devel10:09
mdzsivang: thans10:09
fabbionesivang: you want to talk with Mith and smurfix10:09
mdzthanks10:09
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sivangfabbione: k10:10
mdzLaptopMission is missing from the high priority list10:10
mdzJaneW: that'll be largely mjg5910:10
Seveasbetween video and xen i missed wirelessnetworkmanagement and xroadmap10:10
mdzthom: can you back up mjg59 on that?10:11
mdzSeveas: we discussed them10:11
infinityWhat happened to things still marked "NeedsPriority"?10:11
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infinity(specifically thinking of ServerTeam)10:11
mdzinfinity: things still marked NeedsPriority need to be revisited at a later time10:12
JaneWinfinity: in most cases they were left off10:12
infinityFair nuff.10:12
mdzif they weren't obviously HighPriority, they haven't made it into the list yet10:12
blkis there someone discussing the point "init" tomorrow? (i'm esp. interested if initng is part of the topic)10:12
JaneWinfinity: cvd and I gave some of them a default medium status, but that started confusing things, so we stopped10:12
dholbachblk: the meeting is right now10:12
mdzthat covers the high-priority tasks pretty well10:13
mdzlet's get through as many medium-priority tasks as we can in the next 45m10:13
Kamionblk: unless it was one of the things we sat down and specified/designed at UDU, it isn't being discussed here10:13
mdzAutomatedProblemReports10:13
JaneWok, there were 3 discussed that weren't on my list10:13
mptblk: FasterBoot is marked as LowPriority, so we probably won't get to it in this meeting10:13
pittithat covers half of the world, but I'll see how far we will come with that; however, stripping debug symbols and basic crash reporting should be feasible for breezy10:13
mdz(pitti and mvo)10:13
blkok, sorry for interrupting10:14
pittimdz: I'm in of course10:14
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mdzpitti: yes, but be sure that you can balance the load with others, since you have some high-priority tasks already10:15
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pittimvo ?10:15
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mvomdz: I'm not too keen on it to be honest, but I can help (and I already put some work in the spec)10:15
=== JaneW thinks lamont needs some work for the next few days...
pittimvo: we need you for event-notifier10:15
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mdzis there anyone other than pitti and mvo who is interested in automated problem reports?10:15
lamontJaneW: given that it's a hack anyway you go at it, I'd rather have someone else screamed at... :)10:16
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mdzhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports10:16
jbaileymdz: I have some exposure from the bugzilla/bug-buddy hacking as well as support stuff.10:16
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jbaileymdz: Getting crunchy for available time, though.10:16
=== sivang_away wonders about event-notifier and griefs the process of trying to track UDU over the web :-)
seb128mdz: I'm interested by the debug stuff10:16
pittisivang_away: it doesn't exist yet10:16
pittiyeah, we need a pygtk hacker for a frontend10:16
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mdzseb128,jbailey: I'd appreciate your involvement, of course, but I think we need someone who can dedicate a lot of their time to it10:17
Amaranthfrontend for what?10:17
pittiproblem reports10:17
mdzfabbione: are you interestede in APR at all?10:17
pittiI have a basic prototype, but not very nice10:17
fabbionemdz: nope...10:17
KaiLthe only working frontend is IRC, or? :)10:17
ograpitti, i can help you with that10:17
pittifabbione: it involves kernel panic reports :-)10:17
mptpitti: You need design work?10:17
mdzinfinity: or you?10:17
fabbionepitti: fix your hardware :)10:17
pittimpt: probably a bit, yes10:17
pittifabbione: fix your kernel crashes10:18
sivang_awayfabbione: lol10:18
Amaranththat reminds me, anything with a user interface should have mpt autoassigned to it ;)10:18
thom_argh, can we not call it APR please ;-)10:18
infinitymdz : I can hack on the guts, but the frontend probably needs someone more gui-oriented. :)10:18
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mdzinfinity: the guts need the most attention10:18
infinitymdz : Fair enough.  Sign me up, then.10:18
mdzJaneW: we'll need to make some extra passes over this list when it's said and done, to make sure the workload is balanced10:18
Amaranthnext topic?10:18
mptpitti: You have my e-mail address?10:18
mdzJaneW: so include everyone who expressed interest in AutomatedProblemReports, and we'll revisit it at that stage10:18
mdzCalendaringSynchronisation is next10:19
JaneWok10:19
mdzMithrandir and jbailey worked on the spec10:19
jbaileymdz: The deal with CalendaringSynch was basically finish up some stuff in evo, and then wait until upstreams catch up.10:19
jbaileymdz: Might be best to just defer it.10:19
mdzthere doesn't seem to be much meat here10:19
jbaileymdz: Otherwise it's potentially a large development effort.10:20
Nafallobounty?10:20
mdzjbailey: we'll want to create more detailed specs for the pieces which are missing, as candidates for bounty projects10:20
jbaileymdz: 'k10:20
mdzjbailey: can you take on the specification piece?10:20
jbaileyYes.10:20
mdzgreat10:20
mdzClusterFilesystems - fabbione?10:20
fabbioneclusterfs is jdub and mine. i think we already splitted the tasks10:20
fabbionei am almost done with the packaging. i need to review some bits tho10:21
fabbionemdz: i would appreciate some people to help with testing10:21
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fabbione(that means at least 2 spare machines available)10:21
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mdzanyone here interested in clusters?10:22
amufabbione: count me as a tester 10:22
fabbioneamu: great..10:22
mdzespecially if you happen to have a cluster available ;-)10:22
fabbionemdz: ehhehe10:22
ograhehe10:22
pittifabbione: interested in testing10:22
Nafallomdz: interest is here, but I lack hardware :-/.10:22
fabbionealso mixed hw is good10:22
pittifabbione: if 4 computers count as a minicluster, that is10:22
fabbionethere is no need to have only i38610:22
ografabbione, add me to the testers list10:22
lamontfabbione: I could almost certainly get involved in the testing10:22
mdzok, FasterNetworkedX...is there something we can actually do here?10:23
infinitypitti : Anything over 1 can be a cluster, for the purpose of testing.10:23
fabbioneJaneW: are you taking notes? ;)10:23
fabbionethanks guys10:23
mdzdaniels: ?10:23
jammcqisn't that integrating NX/FreeNX?10:23
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mdzyes, though the spec says disparaging things about it10:23
JaneWfabbione: trying too, though I think I am going to have fun re-reading all this for the bits I've missed10:23
Riddellput NX into universe, it's often requested10:23
RiddellI can do look into it10:24
ogramdz, Mithrandirs already works on something.... iirc10:24
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mdzok, daniels should be involved, Mithrandir has already done some work, and jammcq is interested10:24
mdzand Riddell10:24
mdzI think it is a one-person task, but we need to do some followup to see what has been done already among that group10:25
mdzFileManagerImprovement10:25
mdzseb128: is there a clear implementation plan for this?10:25
seb128not really10:25
seb128half of the point are really upstream code changes10:25
danielsmdz: mainly mithrandir; there's arelly not much we can do for FNX10:26
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pittipush midnight commander into main? /duck10:26
seb128I don't feel like doing all of them, maybe we want bounty some stuff?10:26
mrz123greetings10:26
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dholbachbugreport-prioritization-and-boutying10:26
Seveas+1 on pittu :)10:26
seb128the other part should be fine10:26
KaiLpitti: goood idea10:26
danielsRiddell: i'd like to see any potential packages before they're put into universe, just as a sanity check10:26
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Riddelldaniels: yep10:26
mdzseb128: we can bounty some of this work if there are sufficiently detailed specs10:26
seb128pitti: that's GettingRideOfTheDesktop :p10:26
seb128mdz: I'm thinking about the place/bookmark unification between nautilus and the rest of the desktop10:27
seb128mdz: I can spec that if we want to bounty it10:27
mdzseb128: ok, please do10:27
KaiLseb128: that's also "give users a console editor with a normal UI" :)10:27
mdzFontHandling10:27
seb128k10:27
Amaranthseb128: Someone it working on a spec for that, if I understand the mail to d-d-l correctly.10:27
mdzmako and jdub worked on the spec10:28
afedi'd like to make ubunto closed source so terrorists cant read the source code and use it to make viruses pls10:28
mdzneither of them is likely to be able to spend time on implementation, though10:28
seb128Amaranth: I've already talked with some upstream about this, cf the gnome wiki10:28
Amaranthafed: ...10:28
mdzAmaranth: don't feed the troll10:28
dokomdz: I'm taking care of OOo2 font side, and prepare a test plan10:29
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mdzthere isn't a clear implementation plan, so let's consider it needs-attention for now10:29
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mdzdoko: though please do carry on with that10:30
mdzGdmRoadmap - seb128?10:30
minghuaI would like to work on Chinese fonts10:30
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mdzseb128: this sounds like it needs bounty specs10:30
seb128mdz: jdub wants to bounty that to Vincent Untz10:30
seb128will talk with him at GUADEC probably10:30
seb128both of them in fact10:30
ograseb128, that also includes xscreensaver ?10:31
mdzthere are several different projects here10:31
seb128k, I'll talk with jdub to spec that10:31
afedsorry for trolling, you guys are obviously too smart for that10:31
mdzseb128: panel enhancements, same story?10:31
seb128we had no BOF about this afaik10:31
seb128and I disagree with half of the stuff on the wiki page10:31
mptseb128: correct10:31
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mdzJaneW: ok, flag it to review please10:31
Amaranthbut they're fun!10:32
mdzGraphicalConfigTools, spec by ogra and seb12810:32
mptseb128: Correct on both counts, even :-)10:32
ogramdz, not really a spec10:32
mdzlooks like three specs to me10:32
ogramdz, it says we will do feasability studies10:32
amuogra: xDSL ...  10:32
Nafallosomething to control hdparm would be great.10:33
mdzwe should definitely do the password changing tool10:33
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mdzthere has also been a lot of demand for a simple service configuration tool10:33
ogramdz, ok, i'll take whats decided there10:33
mdzJaneW: ok, ogra will work on it, and/or perhaps bounties10:33
ogramdz, but we didnt spec it to the end...10:33
=== Nafallo remembers seeing something with DMA-settings in early hoary?
ajmitch_there are other BOFs (SELinux) where we want some graphical config, so I can help10:33
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mdzogra: depending on your availability, perhaps you can help with the specs for bounty work10:34
ograsure :)10:34
thom_note that there's mention of service restart in networkmagic, too10:34
ograok10:34
mdzKamion: you've got simpleresize and stage2progress, right?10:34
thom_(using a dbus daemon to do restart services)10:34
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ograthom_, woah10:35
ograthom_, thats cool10:35
Kamionmdz: yes10:35
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mdzfabbione: you are second on the InstallerVolumeManagement spec, and Kamion has a heavy load; can you own it?10:35
ajmitch_ogra: either that or hack dbus into daemons :)10:35
thom_i'm happy to help fabbione on that one10:35
fabbionemdz: i can help for sure, the changes are not too difficult10:36
mdzok, great10:36
ograajmitch_, hmm, touching all daemons ?10:36
thom_(InstallerVolumeManagement, that is)10:36
mdzIntroDeveloperDocs10:36
Kamionthe automatic-/boot-outside-LVM thing is the hardest bit I think, but we can talk about that later10:36
tseng|worki spec'd that10:36
ajmitch_mdz: tseng, and other MOTUs (like myself)10:36
fabbioneKamion: yes, we need to coordinate that one properly10:36
tseng|workim planning to do most of the writing in the next few weeks and pass to doc team10:36
mdztseng|work,ajmitch_: can you take responsibility for it?10:37
tseng|workdone.10:37
ajmitch_ok10:37
mdzok, great.  please get a name of someone on the doc team who can be responsible for that portion as well10:37
BurgundaviaI can do it10:37
tseng|workwe already have jerome and mary10:37
ajmitch_thanks Burgundavia :)10:37
mdzKubuntuRoadmap - amu and Riddell?10:37
amumdz: ack10:37
Riddellsounds like my sort of thing10:37
KaiL< kubuntu testing10:37
KaiL..if Riddell  doesn't have me on his ignorelist ;)10:38
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RiddellKaiL: very welcome :)10:38
Nafallomdz: I'll test the introdevdocs. when I'm MOTU, it worked :-).10:38
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mdzLanguageSelector10:38
Riddellhunger: cool10:38
pittiI'm not really a GUI guy, maybe we have a pygtk hacker around here?10:38
dholbachNafallo: :-)10:38
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_mvo_mdz: I wanted to check if we can use the evo map here10:38
ajmitch_pitti: ogra? :)10:38
mdzwe might be able to borrow jamesh10:39
pittimdz: I'm interested, but I won't really have time for it, I'm afraid10:39
alleeRiddell: me too10:39
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mdzpitti: ack10:39
seb128_mvo_: pitti thinks than a map is not a good idea IIRC10:39
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Riddellallee: excellent10:39
ogramdz, ok for me 10:39
dholbachevo-map! :-)10:39
pittiseb128, _mvo_ : indeed, but we can discuss that later10:39
_mvo_mdz: please add me too10:39
_mvo_pitti: ok10:39
seb128me too10:39
pittiyay10:40
mdzJaneW: ok, mvo and ogra, with seb12810:40
seb128they will just break french if I'm not here10:40
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seb128knowing these german guys :)10:40
dholbachhahahaaa10:40
\shlol10:40
ograheh10:40
mdzLanguageSupportPackages10:40
ajmitch_seb128: only because noone uses it :)10:40
pittiseb128: je suis desolat (or whatever)10:40
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Kamion(I also think a map is risky conflation of concepts)10:40
seb128pitti: dsol ;)10:40
ograheh10:40
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pittimdz: that's mainly a community thing10:40
mdzwe need someone to coordinate it10:41
\sh_mvo_: i never saw a full german anyways ;)10:41
pittimdz: mako would rock10:41
mdzperhaps mako can do that10:41
mdzJaneW: we want mako on that if we can get him10:41
JaneWok10:41
mdzLinuxKernelRoadmap - fabbione & co.?10:41
fabbionemdz: we need at least one person more10:41
ograzul ?10:41
fabbioneotherwise we will not manage10:41
fabbioneogra: zul is already part of the team10:42
ograah10:42
fabbioneone more on top of the actual team10:42
mdzwho's interested in kernel development?10:42
infinityThat which does not kill me..10:42
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infinitymdz : Sign me up.10:42
mdzinfinity: done10:42
zulhmm?10:43
infinityfabbione spent half of UDU trying to recruit me anyway.10:43
fabbioneyeah.. come on.. one more?10:43
mdzLiveCDFeatures is a me thing, but I'm unlikely to have time for it10:43
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amuhmm10:43
zuli think we need ppc more as well10:43
mdzfabbione: let's do some recruiting on the mailing lists, etc. afterward10:43
fabbionemdz: ok we will talk about it later.10:43
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mdzamu: can you work on it?10:43
amumdz: guess needs some deeper spec10:44
mdzfabbione: there is a kernel side to LiveCDFeatures as well (squashfs and unionfs)10:44
amumdz: sure10:44
mdzamu: ok, we can talk about the spec10:44
fabbionemdz: unionfs is already there for all arches != ppc10:44
amumdz: ok than10:44
fabbionemdz: i did that already.. squashfs needs to go in, if unionfs is crap10:44
mdzfabbione: squashfs looks like a big win if combined with unionfs10:44
fabbionemdz: that was my understanding10:44
mdzthey are orthogonal10:44
fabbionemdz: ok. i will get it in asap10:45
mdzanyway, a discussion for later10:45
fabbioneok10:45
zuli can work on squashfs10:45
fabbionezul: go for it.10:45
zulit helps with my other interest for later 10:45
fabbioneok it's off topic for here10:45
mdzLiveCDPrompts doesn't have a proper spec yet10:45
mdzbut when it does, the implementation will be trivial, and I can do it10:45
mdzJaneW: we need to nag smurfix, silbs and sabdfl and get a consensus on whether and how we should change the questions10:46
JaneWok...10:46
mdzMono - tseng & ajmitch?10:46
ajmitch_mdz: yes10:46
tseng|workyes.10:46
ajmitch_and ogra, if he wants10:46
ogramdz, and m10:46
KamionI'll need to be involved with at least merging debian-cd changes in LiveCDPrompt10:46
tseng|workwe can discuss later10:46
Kamion+s10:46
mdzKamion: agreed10:47
tseng|workbut im all over it10:47
ogramdz, i took the amd64 part for mono since friday10:47
mdzNetworkAuthentication (this is NIS, LDAP, etc.) - doko and jammcq worked on the spec10:47
mdzdoko: can you own it?10:47
infinityAny spec that specifically names nscd scares me.10:48
dokomdz: yes10:48
mdzok10:48
infinitymdz : Sign me up for the Win32 parts of that spec, though.10:48
mdzOEMRescue10:48
mdzinfinity: agreed10:48
mdzOEMRescue was spec'd by Kamion and Mithrandir10:49
mdzKamion: can Mithrandir run with it without much interaction from you?10:49
KamionOEMRescue should be the same people as OEMInstaller, at least at first, I think10:49
Kamionmdz: yes10:49
mdzok, sounds good10:49
Kamionwe were on the same page there10:49
mdzPDASupport needs love10:49
BurgundaviaI can do testing10:50
mdzI think it needs a more in-depth spec, naming specific devices we will seek to support10:50
mdzotherwise it is handwavy10:50
mdzspecific devices, and specific functionality10:50
tim1small question, hope it fits in -devel: am I supposed to use malone or bugzilla to report bugs in breezy right now?10:50
dokomdz: OpenOffice2 is missing from the list10:50
mdztim1: wrong channel; we are having a meeting right now10:51
thomtim1: wrong channel10:51
tim1damn, wrong chan, sorry10:51
mdzdoko: please add the DistroSpecification tag to it10:51
mdzdoko: you and dholbach will own it?10:51
thommdz: i'm happy to flesh the spec out for pdasupport and research what's viable; i can't actually drive it since i have no hardware10:51
dholbacherm, i don't think i'll have time for OOo10:51
dholbachbut somebody contacted me already to form an OO.o team10:52
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mdzwho can back up doko on ooo2?10:52
dokomdz: I'd like to see haggai there10:52
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mdzdoko: that's not a simple matter; let's discuss it later10:53
mdzPackageDependencyManagement - mvo, can you take it?10:53
mvomdz: yep10:53
mdzgreat10:53
mdzfor PackageSelection, Kamion has done most of the work for the seed change bit already10:54
mvomdz: there are some open issues for the packageing system that I would like to evaluate10:55
mdzyes, there is more to discuss there10:55
mdzbut we will probably not nail it down for Breezy10:55
mdzI'll review it10:55
mvomdz: ok, thanks10:55
mdzPowerManagementConfiguration ought to be high priority; I'll fix that10:55
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mdzogra: can you continue with that?10:56
ograi'll do the gui part, mjg59 the backend10:56
mdzsounds good10:56
ograjust waiting for new HAL love10:56
mdzI think the backend is already there10:56
KaiLwho doesn the kde frontend for that? kdelaptopdeamon is imho totally useless..10:56
ograyep10:56
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mdzKaiL: good call10:56
thomi'll help on infrastructure/backend for PMC10:56
danielsit's an upstream thing, think it's more or less abandoned upstream10:56
danielsit's in kdeutils, IIRC10:56
mdzwho can do a python kde frontend?10:56
ogra\sh ?10:57
=== \sh is working on it
KaiLdaniels: no, they only depend on having an akku10:57
KaiLso no chance on desktops :(10:57
\shmvo is informed10:57
mdzok10:57
RiddellI should be able to (or delegate if not)10:57
\shfor python apt ;)10:57
Echylohmm some one is logging this btw? I gtg10:57
ogra\sh, thats powermanagement10:57
mdzPowerSavingMode is very much Juan's project, and I don't think he's here10:57
ograEchylo, the logbot10:57
dholbachEchylo: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs10:57
Echyloowk thanks :)10:58
thom\sh: kde front end to work with hal/similar to gnome-power.sf.net10:58
\sh[22:56]  <mdz> who can do a python kde frontend?10:58
\sh[22:57]  <ogra> \sh ?10:58
mdzProprietaryDrivers is primarily a community/process issue10:58
ogra\sh, yep10:58
mdz\sh: I meant that in the context of PowerManagementConfiguration10:58
\shthom: oh...yeah...let me see what i can do...10:58
dholbach\sh: for PowerManagement :-)10:58
ogra\sh, that was a questionmark10:58
ogra;)10:58
\shmdz: i will volunteer :) 10:58
\shmdz: kde is not the problem ;)10:58
mdzJaneW: ProprietaryDrivers already has tasks divided for daniels and jdub10:59
danielsmdz: powersavingmode is largely crack10:59
danielsi have items out of proprietarydrivers to go talk to upstream10:59
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NafalloI'd like learning-by-doing on the powerstuff :-)10:59
afrankemdz: two hours have gone by10:59
mdzReleaseCycle is mine; Kamion and I worked it out and I need to publish it11:00
pittican we finish the medium tasks?11:00
\shogra: u are the HAL guru? :)11:00
mdzwe have only 7 more medium tasks to go11:00
mdzlet's try to finish11:00
mdzServerInstallation11:00
sladenafranke: that's why there's 28 hours in a day!11:00
ogra\sh, nah...11:00
mdzServerInstallation doesn't have a spec yet11:00
afranke;)11:00
mdzSoundEvents11:00
ogra\sh, i just know a bit of it11:00
infinityServerInstallation is all over the place... I think it needs some review/love from thom/me, neither of whom were at the BoF.11:00
pitti\sh: I know a bit of it11:00
mdzinfinity: you and AndyFitz?11:01
\shpitti: ok I will peek and poke you :)11:01
pitti\sh: sure, please do11:01
infinitymdz : SoundEvents, I'm happy owning the packaging fixes, I /can/ own the sound engineering (I've done enough of it in my time), but it's probably better to not pay a programmer to do that bit. :)11:01
mdzinfinity: I think Andy can help with that11:01
thommdz: I'll own ServerInstallation to the point of getting a spec, and then lets see from there?11:01
mdzif not, it'll be a bounty sort of item11:01
infinitymdz : Andy knows nothing of sound engineering, afaict.11:02
mdzthom: ok, you and infinity see if you can work out the spec, and we'll go from there11:02
mdzThinClientSecurity I don't think we will have time for in the Breezy cycle11:02
mdzjammcq: what do you think?11:02
infinitymdz : I'll spec out sound bounties later.11:02
jammcqmdz: that's my thoughts too11:03
mdzunless someone can own it independently, without it taking resources away from ThinClientIntegration, I think it has to wait11:03
mdzok11:03
mdzThirdPartyVendorSoftware11:03
jbaileyI'm interested in the LSB side of TPVS, and also because of the support/certification side.11:03
ograjdub11:03
mdzdoesn't have a spec11:03
ograits jdubs list of companys to contact11:03
mdznot a development project, at any rate11:04
ogranope11:04
mdzUSplash11:04
mdzeveryone's favorite feature11:04
danielshoray!11:04
mptyay11:04
sladenmmm11:04
jbaileyusplash and early userspace are related.11:04
ograheh11:04
danielssladen said he should have finished code by the end of UDU11:04
JaneWmdz: must we remove from our list or keep tracking? -TPVS...11:04
sladenand bootlogd11:04
mdzJaneW: I removed the tag in the wiki11:04
mdzJaneW: and removed from my list11:04
thomUSplash also interacts to some extent with InitProcess11:05
mdzdaniels,sladen: who is going to own it?11:05
mdzcan we make it happen this time around?11:05
sladenusplash as we need it now is somewhat different to the usplash envisioned 9months ago11:05
mdzwe need a code drop in breezy _very_ early, or it is not going to happen11:05
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^rob^heya all, are there logs anywhere for those of us that were busy?11:06
sladenI hope so.  users and reviewers are starting to notice the lack of the 'feature' since they can't find much else to fault...11:06
mdz^rob^: we're just finishing up, and yes, in the usual place11:06
dholbach^rob^: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs11:06
^rob^thanks11:06
fabbionethey will be updated in 20 minutes11:06
amui'm happy to help with tests11:07
fabbione^rob^: ^^11:07
danielsmdz: since someone else is doing the code, me owning it seems a bit perverse, but I'm more than happy to second it11:07
JaneWdholbach: I hope it's going to complete the log sometime soon, sitting at 10:19...11:07
JaneWfabbione: oic thanks11:08
fabbioneJaneW: they are updated once every hour, but remember that irc logs can be incomplete if the net is not stable11:09
JaneWfabbione: don;t say that - I need them!11:09
pittiJaneW: I have a complete log, if necessary11:09
afrankeJaneW: if needed, I record the session11:09
thomi think mdz just dropped off the net, btw11:09
=== Simira too
\shJaneW: i have a complete log if u r in need of it :)11:10
mdzI'm back11:10
pittiah11:10
Simirahehe11:10
mdzUniverseSecurity11:10
pittithat's an ongoing process. I'll take responsibility for coordination; the real work will be done by astharot, Nafallo, and tseng, I suppose11:10
ajmitch_mdz: tseng & myself11:10
Nafallomdz: I'm on it :-)11:10
mdzthis is a community/team-building exercise, rather than a development project, right?11:10
pittiyes11:10
mdzok11:10
ograyup11:10
mdzJaneW: we won't track UniverseSecurity as a feature goal11:10
dholbachteams++ :-)11:10
ajmitch_ongoing, neverending hacking :)11:11
mdzthe last MediumPriority goal is buntu11:11
mdzwhich is Ubuntu for embedded systems11:11
ograhappy tester for ipaq here11:11
zuli think i can help if i have the time11:11
infinity(It's actually two specs in one)11:11
mdzit's a large and multifaceted project which needs a dedicated owner11:11
fabbionemdz: we might need a specific kernel flavour for that11:11
danielsi believe buntu depends on a chunk of xroadmap11:11
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\sh.oO(manfred holstein, but he's working for novell right now :()11:11
mdzfabbione: possibly, but perhaps not11:11
ografabbione, and a special bootloader11:11
infinityI'm very interested in the teeny-tiny embedded half of the spec, and getting it working on actual embedded CPUs.11:12
mdzif no one steps up to fill that role, we probably won't be able to do it for Breezy11:12
fabbionemdz: it depends.. we will need to investigate that11:12
mdzinfinity: can you own it?11:12
infinityI'm not sure it's realistic to make that spec a breezy goal.11:12
zuler...ill help11:12
ograinfinity++11:12
infinitymdz : I'll own the second half of the spec.  Find someone else for the first half. :)11:12
thommdz: i think the spec needs a lot more work, tbh11:12
Nafalloinfinity+11:12
infinitymdz : And, what thom said.11:12
mdzinfinity: the first half belongs somewhere else; buntu has always been about embedded11:12
jbaileyI'd be interested in helping flush out the spec a bit more and exploring things like using uclibc.11:13
mdzinfinity: please move that into a separate spec, and start to flesh out the embedded piece11:13
sladenevery embedded device needs a specific bootloader+hackery+kernel options.  it's probably more about /enabling/ people to do that11:13
mdzjbailey: cool11:13
thomi'm happy to own it or work with infinity and/or jbailey to fleesh out the spec and drive it11:13
infinitythom : I love you.11:13
ograsladen, wise words11:13
dholbachoh, how nice :-)11:13
dholbachwhat about FindingPackages? :-)11:13
infinitymdz : SO, make that me, thom, and jbailey. :011:13
mdzinfinity: let's get some specific use cases into it, like "I want to run Ubuntu on my Soekris gateway", "I want to run Ubuntu on my Zaurus", etc.11:14
mdzand with that, I think we need to adjourn11:14
mdzworkrave is incredibly upset with me11:14
pittiphew11:14
dholbachmdz: hahahaha11:14
dholbach:-)11:14
mdzlet's follow up on the list as necessary11:14
fabbionemdz: want to change workrave with my wife? :P11:14
ogralol11:15
Nafallofabbione: lol11:15
ajmitch_dholbach: FindingPackages - we all know that's mvo :)11:15
pittifabbione: she'll already be asleep, won't she?11:15
mdzfor those of you who showed up because you were interestetd in an item we didn't have time to discuss, please mail me11:15
infinityWe need a workrave extension that tells me to "go back to bed, you damned fool".11:15
mdzmdz@ubuntu.com11:15
fabbionepitti: she is...11:15
pittidholbach: apt-cache search, kthxbye11:15
pitti;)11:15
Kamionwill we have a followup meeting about the low priority items, or just punt on those?11:15
mdzfabbione: does she know you offered her? ;-)11:15
ograheh11:15
fabbioneehehe11:15
ajmitch_pitti: you're not following the CommandLineDisintegration spec there :)11:16
mdzKamion: I don't want to have to get everyone together at once again; it's a big strain11:16
mdzmaybe we can break it into chunks and have some smaller meetings11:16
mdzwe 'll see11:16
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ografabbione, for a jumping sheep on the desktop11:16
Kamionnot that I'm incredibly enthusiastic about another marathon meeting, certainly11:16
mdzbut for now, thanks everyone, and good time-of-day11:16
\shwell, last cup of coffee is waiting..11:16
fabbionemdz: thanks11:16
dholbachmdz: thank you11:16
mvomdz: thanks!11:16
thommdz: thanks11:16
pittigood night everyone then, thanks for the meeting11:16
whiprushThe Fridge is all set, if anyone is asking. :)11:16
ogramdz, thanks :)11:16
seb128thanks11:16
amumvo: cheers11:16
\shmdz: thx...good moderating i must say11:16
pittiwhiprush: can someone please enlight me what the fridge is?11:17
thomwhiprush: i'll have a cold beer, please11:17
mvoamu: :)11:17
dholbachthom++ :-)11:17
seb128me too!!11:17
infinitymdz, JaneW : Will we see some consise notes about how much we signed up for in our moments of madness?11:17
mvobeer++11:17
ajmitch_whiprush: you've got it all up & running?11:17
Seveaspitti, it's where you get beer from :)11:17
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whiprushhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge11:17
dholbachVB!!! :-)11:17
ograyeah11:17
ajmitch_ogra: pass one this way :)11:17
ograheh11:17
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Nafalloinfinity++11:17
=== infinity shakes his head at the VB drinkers..
pittiSeveas: I know the English word, but although my fridge certainly has a processor, it certainly doesn't run ubuntu11:18
\shogra: can u come to kerpen and pass me one pls? ,-)11:18
dholbachthom, infinity: come one, it's not that bad, it really isnt11:18
thomit really, really is11:18
Nafallopitti: yet ;-)11:18
ajmitch_infinity: at least it's not fosters11:18
ograthom, the image or the beer `11:18
ogra?11:18
infinityajmitch_ : Or FourX.11:18
pittiNafallo: I tried to insert the CD, but the drive is apparently broken11:18
danielsinfinity: 'fourex'11:18
Nafallopitti: hehe, usb? :-)11:18
thomogra: beer11:19
infinitydaniels : Bah, how can there be an accepted spelling of a pronounciation.  'XXXX' then. :)11:19
pittiNafallo: I have the feeling that my fridge is out of date...11:19
ograheh11:19
Nafallopitti: hehe11:19
\shpitti: well..u forgot to update your CM11:19
pittiokay guys, good night and sleep well11:19
infinitypitti : 'night.11:19
dholbach<- dog walk11:19
fabbionenight11:19
danielsmdz, Kamion: thanks11:19
seb128pitti: night :)11:19
ajmitch_night pitti 11:19
fabbioneinfinity: /j #ubuntu-kernel11:19
afrankenight pitti11:19
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Amaranthhehe, have any aussies seen the american fosters commercials?11:19
danielsinfinity: doooooomed (#u-k)11:19
danielsAmaranth: no, but I've seen the UK ones11:20
Amaranthfosters - australia for beer ;)11:20
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infinitydaniels : It could be worse, I could have signed up to join the kernel tea--- oh, fuck.11:20
Amarantherr, australian11:20
KaiLdaniels: you are also the one for XorgAutoconf?11:20
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danielsKaiL: very much so11:20
Nafalloinfinity: lol11:21
danielsAmaranth: oh yes, I've heard of those.11:21
nufanIs the meeeting over then?11:21
Nafallonufan: mais oui :-)11:21
Amaranthyeah11:21
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KaiLI thought about some preconfig for multi-button-mice..11:21
Amaranthbtw, the MenuEditor spec can be solved by someone putting smeg in universe :)11:21
NafalloKaiL: is there a spec for that? :-)11:21
afrankeNafallo: Francais ?11:21
KaiLNafallo: no ;)11:22
nufanIs add/remove programs going to become useful in Breezy?11:22
Nafalloafranke: suedois :-)11:22
KaiLand it's also some dirty hack, as there's no way to detect the button number...11:22
JaneWdamn lagg11:22
danielsKaiL: there's been an open bug for months; please add to that (preferably with patches) if you have anything11:22
JaneWI missed the end of the meeting11:22
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danielsKaiL: but questions are a big no-no.  you don't get to ask.11:22
JaneWyes I am going to try to tabulate who said they;d do what11:22
afrankeJaneW: do you wish me to send you the log11:22
JaneWyes please11:23
afrankeokay11:23
JaneWI need it because I missed chunks of the live action due to lag11:23
afrankeguess it's janew@ubuntu.com11:23
JaneWfollowed by firefox crashing11:23
JaneWand then open office11:23
afrankeusing Ubuntu ;) ?11:23
JaneWsomething not happy here today11:23
NafalloJaneW: ehm, get an irc-client? ;-)11:23
JaneWyes, I changed over recently11:23
infinityJaneW : Did you let someone "technical" within 30 feet of your computer recently?11:24
JaneWinfinity: yes just today as coincidence would have it11:24
JaneW*sighe*11:24
infinityJaneW : Well, you know who to blame, then.11:24
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JaneWbut it was Gus!11:24
afrankeJaneW: log sent :-D11:26
JaneWthanks :)11:26
afrankeyour welcome11:26
Kamionmdz: hm, we missed MountingHDDFilesystems11:26
JaneWafranke: did you send it to janew, the *W* is very important...11:27
afrankeKamion: too late, mouahahaAHAHAHA !11:27
=== Nafallo has a strong feeling he didn't even see the wireless stuff
Nafallo:-/11:27
afrankeFrom: Alexandre FRANKE <alexandre.franke@gmail.com>Reply-To: Alexandre FRANKE <alexandre.franke@gmail.com>To: janew@ubuntu.comDate: May 9, 2005 11:25 PMSubject: Meeting log11:27
Kamionafranke: erm ... whatever :)11:28
ajmitch_Nafallo: I think it was rolled into network magic, rather than mentioned separately11:28
afrankeKamion: anyway, seems that mdz has left11:28
Nafalloajmitch_: that's what I thought. and WPA wasn't mentioned cause of ISPAuth not being discussed?11:29
Kamionafranke: he's still in this channel, and he generally reads scrollback.11:29
sladenKamion: funkiness to cope with LDM partition tables/mounting/detection should probably go in there as it'll crope up on newer/"enterprise" w2k machines11:29
Kamionafranke: I wasn't expecting him to be around right now11:29
afrankeKamion: k11:29
JaneWafranke: thanks got it11:29
afrankede nada11:29
Kamionsladen: please elaborate in the outstanding issues section of the spec11:29
Kamionideally with some clues as to how one deals with LDM from Linux11:30
sladenKamion: yeah, the current documentation is somewhat lacking even if the code has been there for last few years11:30
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afrankemaybe I should eat someday11:31
afranke;)11:31
infinityAlright, well I'm off to go wake up, I guess.  I doubt I can get back to bed, as much as I'd like to. :)11:31
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afrankebye all, cya soon11:32
Nafalloinfinity: if you do, you'll dream about the kernel ;-)11:32
Nafalloafranke: au revoir :-)11:32
ggrossbye11:32
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sivang_awayJaneW: night!11:32
sivang_awaynight all!11:32
afrankeNafallo:  la prochaine alors11:33
ogranight JaneW 11:33
JaneWI'll finish my table tomorrow, and mail/wiki it then11:33
ajmitch_night JaneW 11:33
NafalloJaneW, sivang_away: nighie :-)11:33
infinityJaneW : Thanks.. Night.11:33
JaneWnight all11:33
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JaneWthanks for getting up early Aussie folk...11:33
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Nafallohmm, prochaine?11:34
=== Nafallo reads french for newbies ;-)
JanC"prochaine" meens "next"11:34
JanC*means*11:34
JanC:)11:34
NafalloJanC: ahh, thanx :-)11:34
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KaiLdaniels: I've added some first thoughts to that bug11:36
JanCNafallo : like in "la semaine prochaine" = "next week"  :)11:38
NafalloJanC: yepp, grepped that :-)11:39
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JanC(french is official second language over here)11:40
NafalloJanC: .ca? :-)11:40
JanC.be11:41
JaneWbon nuit11:41
JanCFrench is either first or second language for people in Belgium11:41
NafalloJaneW: bon nuit Jane :-)11:41
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JanCit's "bonne nuit"11:42
JanCthe night is female in French  :)11:42
=== Nafallo learns :-)
JanCin fact, male/female is my worst problem with French  :)11:43
JanCwith French language, not with French people  ;-)11:44
Nafallohehe11:44
\shun or une, le or la ;)11:44
Nafallodu or de la ;-)11:45
\shdu is male ;)11:45
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Nafallo\sh: oui (de+le) :-)11:46
\shNafallo: some things i didn't forget ;) 11:46
\shbreakfast at the moulin rouge is one of the things ;)11:46
\shand the indian area near gare du nord 11:47
JanCI've been in Paris only once, when I was 15 or something like that...11:48
JanC(school trip)11:48
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\shJanC: i was many times in paris :) and I climbed up the stairs of the tower ;) amazing feeling :)11:49
JanCI climbed the tower too11:49
JanCwe did all the touristic stuff with school11:50
\shbut for now....g'night...job's waiting tomorrow morning :) 11:50
Nafallo\sh: night :-)11:50
Nafallonight all!11:51
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thomhunger: way to lose half the topic11:59
hungerthom: Oh, sorry... that was all my IRC client listed.11:59
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