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^rob | meeting starts here in 40 minutes right? | 07:20 |
dholbach | 1h40m | 07:20 |
hunger | no idea... | 07:20 |
^rob | ahh | 07:21 |
^rob | oky, thx | 07:21 |
Riddell | 19:00, 40 minutes | 07:22 |
fabbione | 1 hour and 40 minutes | 07:23 |
fabbione | 19:00 UTC | 07:23 |
fabbione | we are +2 in EU | 07:23 |
Riddell | oh wait, UK isn't on GMT just now, oops | 07:23 |
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Kamion | (let's be clear) | 07:33 |
dholbach | Kamion: :-) | 07:34 |
^rob | Riddell: it should be NEITHER instead of NOT | 07:35 |
Kamion | "NOT ..., nor ..." is fine | 07:36 |
Kamion | "NEITHER ... nor ..." (no comma) would also be fine | 07:37 |
^rob | Kamion: is that requirement of neitehr with nor an American specific thing? | 07:38 |
Kamion | I don't know. This is the first time I've heard it claimed anywhere. | 07:39 |
Kamion | the two sentences have different emphases | 07:40 |
Kamion | not/nor emphasises the first, and the second is basically a parenthetical comment | 07:41 |
Kamion | neither/nor puts the two on equal footing | 07:41 |
^rob | Kamion: I lean torward "not #ubuntu OR #ubuntu-devel" | 07:41 |
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Kamion | that sounds actively wrong to me | 07:42 |
Kamion | "neither #ubuntu NOR #ubuntu-devel" | 07:42 |
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Kamion | this is a startlingly OT conversation though ;) | 07:44 |
thegreedyturtle | OT? | 07:44 |
jbailey | How can it be off topic when it's about the /topic? | 07:45 |
thegreedyturtle | ah | 07:45 |
Seveas | lol | 07:45 |
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hunger | ^rob: How about: !(#ubuntu-devel || #ubuntu) | 08:12 |
thom | hunger: meaningless to most users | 08:12 |
hunger | ^rob: not #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu looks wrong;-) | 08:12 |
hunger | thom: Right:-) | 08:12 |
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hunger | thom: But (not x or y) != not x or y. Well, I am probably too CS-ly for this world. | 08:14 |
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nufan | Has the meeting got underway yet? | 08:14 |
fabbione | in 45 minutes | 08:14 |
nufan | UTC == GMT? | 08:15 |
thom | nufan: yes | 08:15 |
nufan | Ta | 08:15 |
fabbione | nufan: more or less yes | 08:15 |
thom | (without pedanting, anyway) | 08:15 |
hunger | nufan: GMT is UTC but with daylight saving or the other way round. | 08:15 |
nufan | Wait, so 19:00 UTC is 20:00 GMT? | 08:16 |
fabbione | no | 08:16 |
fabbione | GMT = UTC | 08:16 |
nufan | (I'm an idiot | 08:17 |
fabbione | there is no daylight saving | 08:17 |
hunger | fabbione: Are you sure? | 08:17 |
thom | hunger: yes | 08:17 |
fabbione | the difference goes at astronomic level | 08:17 |
fabbione | yes | 08:17 |
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thom | the difference is between atomic and astronomical time iirc | 08:17 |
hunger | thom: I made that claim the last time... and everybody told me that was wrong. | 08:18 |
Kamion | how bizarre. fabbione and thom are correct, anyway. | 08:19 |
hunger | thom: Looks like I normally hang out with idiots;-) | 08:19 |
nufan | So... the meeting is an hour late | 08:19 |
jbailey | When in doubt, right click your gnome clock, go to preferences, and set "Use UTC" =) | 08:20 |
nufan | 'cos it's 1900 GMT here. | 08:20 |
thom | nufan: no, it's 1820GMT | 08:20 |
thom | 19:20 ~/work/packages/hoary% date -u | 08:20 |
thom | Mon May 9 18:20:19 UTC 2005 | 08:20 |
Riddell | nufan: you are more likely to be on BST | 08:20 |
nufan | I'm in England | 08:20 |
Kamion | nufan: then you are on BST, not GMT | 08:20 |
nufan | Whatever the hell that means for the time. | 08:20 |
thom | the UK is gmt/utc +1 | 08:20 |
thom | currently | 08:21 |
jbailey | Is Greenwich even on GMT? =) | 08:21 |
Kamion | jbailey: nope | 08:21 |
nufan | That makes no sense. | 08:21 |
thom | jbailey: at the moment, no :-) | 08:21 |
jbailey | Sweet. =) | 08:21 |
Kamion | nufan: surely you must have heard of summer time | 08:21 |
thom | nufan: during the winter, it is. during the summer, we do daylight savings and go forward an hour | 08:21 |
hunger | Arg! Somebody should build a flat planet! | 08:21 |
nufan | Us brits invented time, so we can do whatever the hell we like with it :P | 08:21 |
Riddell | we get so spoilt at being in sync with GMT for half the year we forget we're out of sync the rest of the time | 08:21 |
Riddell | nufan: acutally it was a Scottish Canadian man | 08:22 |
nufan | I know about DST | 08:22 |
nufan | But I assumed britan was on GMT | 08:22 |
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Kamion | BST => British Summer Time | 08:22 |
afranke | hi all | 08:22 |
nufan | Hello | 08:22 |
hunger | At least we got the timezone confusion covered before the meeting starts;-) | 08:23 |
nufan | heh | 08:23 |
hunger | So far that was the hot topic for the first 30 min (and min. 60-90) of each IRC meeting I attended. | 08:23 |
afranke | still half an hour to wait, huh ? | 08:23 |
nufan | The wiki agenda is for Tuesday, whats being discussed today? | 08:23 |
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Kamion | nufan: breezy kickoff | 08:23 |
nufan | Neato. | 08:23 |
dholbach | nufan: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | 08:24 |
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KaiL | in which channel was that advert? ;) | 08:35 |
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dsas | I've just realised the UK isn't running on UTC at the mo :$ whoops | 08:37 |
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afranke | :) | 08:37 |
afranke | guess it's UTC+1 ? | 08:38 |
dholbach | no | 08:38 |
Kamion | the UK is on UTC+0100, yes | 08:39 |
WebWiz | starts in 20 min then right? | 08:39 |
WebWiz | either that our i calculated it wrong lol | 08:39 |
Seveas | in the next meeting announcement, please mention date -u | 08:40 |
Seveas | :)\ | 08:40 |
afranke | http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java for those who are looking for a UTC timer | 08:40 |
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Amaranth | 10 minutes? | 08:49 |
afranke | yeah | 08:50 |
Seveas | encounting... | 08:50 |
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dholbach | hey JanC | 08:52 |
dholbach | jani | 08:52 |
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jani | hey dholbach :) | 08:52 |
zul | hey | 08:52 |
Nafallo | hmm, I need more coffein here. :-) | 08:52 |
dholbach | good thinking | 08:52 |
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\sh | g'evening gentlemen | 08:54 |
Echylo | hi | 08:54 |
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Treenaks | hello | 08:54 |
zul | there is a meeting today? | 08:54 |
Treenaks | in ~6 minutes | 08:54 |
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thom | zul: breezy kickoff | 08:54 |
afranke | zul stands for ? | 08:54 |
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Echylo | as long it is not german grammar, it's allright :p | 08:54 |
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afranke | oh ok | 08:55 |
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\sh | i liked french grammar :) easy to accomplish, reading as well easy, but speaking and writing sometimes ;) | 08:55 |
KaiL | Echylo: there is no real German grammar, it's random ;) | 08:55 |
afranke | yeah, German grammar is hard | 08:55 |
Echylo | haha | 08:55 |
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\sh | KaiL: hahaha | 08:55 |
thom | good morning mdz | 08:55 |
mdz | morning | 08:55 |
ogra | hey mdz | 08:55 |
mdz | the Breezy kickoff meeting will begin in 2 minutes | 08:55 |
ogra | :) | 08:55 |
afranke | hey | 08:55 |
ajmitch_ | morning | 08:55 |
jbailey | g'm mdz | 08:55 |
\sh | afranke: learn latin and u will your german challenge | 08:55 |
jeroen_ | Latin :) | 08:56 |
afranke | I actually learned latin a bit | 08:56 |
Echylo | I did latin for 2 years, didn't helped much | 08:56 |
elmo | mdz: dude, your clock's out again | 08:56 |
afranke | :) | 08:56 |
Echylo | help* | 08:56 |
\sh | Echylo: well...I learned it from my son...after all, it's quite easy ;) | 08:56 |
Echylo | :) | 08:56 |
\sh | Echylo: and after that, I understood some of our stupid german grammar ;) | 08:56 |
Echylo | well it's quite dead, so I don't worry | 08:56 |
jeroen_ | not in the courts | 08:57 |
Echylo | and I don't even try to understand german | 08:57 |
\sh | Echylo: it will become famouse again ;) wait until papa was in germany ;) | 08:57 |
Echylo | :) | 08:57 |
\sh | just joking..no offense :) | 08:57 |
mdz | elmo: step time server 82.211.81.145 offset -139.290417 sec | 08:57 |
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mvo | morning mdz | 08:57 |
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afranke | mdz: shouldn't you switch Tue 17 and Tue 10 in the chan's topic ? | 08:58 |
mdz | I sync time to my router, whose clock drift is insane | 08:58 |
mdz | afranke: no, CC is tomorrow and TB is one week following | 08:58 |
Treenaks | mdz: oh.. time drift is not /that/ insane? :P | 08:58 |
afranke | yeah but I mean 10 comes before 17 | 08:58 |
thom | mdz: i think afranke was suggesting that the CC announce should be first in the topic | 08:58 |
afranke | right thom | 08:59 |
Amaranth | *ding* | 09:00 |
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mdz | Treenaks: about 12 seconds/hour | 09:00 |
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mdz | ok, let's get started | 09:00 |
JaneW | mdz: we gonna wait a minute for stragglers? | 09:00 |
JaneW | ok, not | 09:00 |
mdz | JaneW: let's see if anyone's missing | 09:00 |
Echylo | yea, need to get some coke :p | 09:00 |
mdz | I know infinity couldn't make it | 09:00 |
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\sh | evening amu :) | 09:01 |
amu | moin | 09:01 |
JaneW | chmj didn;t make it either | 09:01 |
ogra | hey amu | 09:01 |
mdz | if you're an Ubuntu developer, please state that you're present | 09:01 |
jbailey | mdz: here | 09:01 |
ogra | here | 09:01 |
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=== Treenaks present | ||
evarlast | hi jammcq, jay wren formerly from OU here :) | 09:02 |
Riddell | present | 09:02 |
=== pitti waves | ||
seb128 | present | 09:02 |
zul | present | 09:02 |
=== amu waves | ||
dholbach | here | 09:02 |
ajmitch_ | present | 09:02 |
haggai | here | 09:02 |
thom | here | 09:02 |
=== seb128 waves too | ||
jani | hi | 09:02 |
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lamont | moo | 09:02 |
mdz | fabbione, doko? | 09:02 |
mdz | ah, hi fabbione | 09:02 |
fabbione | mdz :) | 09:02 |
doko | here | 09:02 |
mdz | JaneW: did daniels say whether he would be here? | 09:03 |
Kamion | present | 09:03 |
Amaranth | elmo? | 09:03 |
mdz | elmo is here | 09:03 |
JaneW | mdz: no not specifically | 09:03 |
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Kamion | he set his sleep cycle with the intent of being here | 09:03 |
Amaranth | Last I heard from daniels was him going to bed about 6 hours ago. | 09:04 |
Nafallo | Mithrandir: did you make it? | 09:04 |
Kamion | 13:03 < daniels> seb128: in the morning, need to go to bed now for breezy kickoff meeting | 09:04 |
Kamion | (UTC+0100) | 09:04 |
Amaranth | He'll probably show up in the middle. | 09:05 |
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mdz | ok, let's get started then | 09:05 |
mdz | the meat of this meeting will be to review the list of Breezy targets, and determine who will work on which features | 09:05 |
mdz | we have a long list, so we won't be able to spend much time on any of them | 09:05 |
Amaranth | where is the list? | 09:05 |
mdz | they're all specified in the UDU wiki if anyone would like to review | 09:05 |
nufan | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals | 09:06 |
mdz | no, that page is not valid | 09:06 |
mdz | (yet) | 09:06 |
nufan | Sorry. | 09:06 |
Amaranth | that's probably what we're adding to here :) | 09:06 |
mdz | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs | 09:06 |
mdz | that's the list we'll be working from today | 09:06 |
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mdz | infinity: hey, welcome | 09:07 |
Amaranth | wow, you weren't kidding about it being long | 09:07 |
dholbach | mdz: please remove GettingInvolvedInUniverse - it was a hands-on--experience BOF | 09:07 |
thom | mdz: no BluetoothSupport? | 09:07 |
pitti | grrr | 09:07 |
mdz | thom: that must have been missing a tag; I've added it to my local copy | 09:07 |
ajmitch_ | Amaranth: it was a busy week | 09:07 |
dholbach | thom, pitti: we had so much fun in the BOF :-) | 09:08 |
seb128 | seen, pitti is not happy ;) | 09:08 |
mdz | dholbach: thanks | 09:08 |
thom | mdz: ah, k | 09:08 |
seb128 | s/n// | 09:08 |
Kamion | dholbach: remove BreezyGoal from that page, maybe | 09:08 |
mdz | I trimmed the list by hand, but clearly I missed a few non-feature BOFs | 09:08 |
dholbach | will do | 09:08 |
mdz | Kamion: BreezyGoal is meaningless at this point; I'll be going through after the meeting | 09:08 |
Kamion | figured it might be a bit, yeah | 09:08 |
mdz | so, starting from the top | 09:08 |
dholbach | Kamion: done | 09:08 |
mdz | AudioCDBurinng | 09:08 |
mdz | seb128 and ogra worked on this spec | 09:08 |
ogra | yep | 09:08 |
seb128 | I've already uploaded serpentine | 09:08 |
mpt | BreezyGoal was on all BoFs by default and people forgot to remove it | 09:09 |
seb128 | I'll take care of it | 09:09 |
ogra | and gnomebakert is in already | 09:09 |
ogra | -t | 09:09 |
mdz | ogra: will you follow up on the remainder of the plan? | 09:09 |
ogra | yep | 09:09 |
mdz | great | 09:09 |
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mdz | AudioInftrastructure, pitti and fabbione worked on this spec | 09:09 |
mdz | AudioInfrastructure, even | 09:09 |
pitti | we could get into trouble with dmix, but it's worth a try | 09:10 |
fabbione | mdz: yes, i already took some tasks inside it (kernel side) | 09:10 |
fabbione | mdz: but the rest is alsa expert field | 09:10 |
mdz | will you jointly own this project for Breezy? | 09:10 |
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pitti | yes | 09:10 |
mdz | or is there anyone else who would like to get involved? | 09:10 |
fabbione | mdz: i will take care of the kernel side... | 09:10 |
pitti | crimsum | 09:10 |
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pitti | crimsun, even | 09:10 |
dholbach | crimsun | 09:10 |
mdz | have you talked with him already? | 09:10 |
crimsun | sure thing, I'll look at the url | 09:10 |
crimsun | (sorry, just reattached) | 09:10 |
mdz | I wouldn't want to volunteer him for something without his permission ;-) | 09:11 |
mdz | ok, take a look, we'll move on meanwhile | 09:11 |
mdz | BluetoothSupport | 09:11 |
thom | yep | 09:11 |
mdz | thom and pitti worked on the spec | 09:11 |
fabbione | does it need anything from the kernel side? | 09:12 |
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mdz | thom: does it require both of you? | 09:12 |
thom | i'm happy to take this on; i actually have some bluetooth hardware now :-) | 09:12 |
mdz | who would like to help thom with bluetooth? | 09:12 |
Riddell | I'll make sure kbluetooth gets pacakaged, although I don't think it's in the spec | 09:12 |
mdz | especially those of you with appropriate hardware to use for testing | 09:12 |
JaneW | Q: are we make one person primarily responsible or a first and second? | 09:12 |
fabbione | thom: is there anything that needs to be done kernel side? | 09:12 |
thom | fabbione: not that i'm aware of | 09:12 |
fabbione | thom: ok thanks | 09:12 |
mdz | JaneW: generally either one or two people take responsibility, depending on the project | 09:12 |
thom | fabbione: the bluetooth drivers are pretty much complete afaik | 09:12 |
dholbach | i can help testing | 09:13 |
mdz | I expect this will not always be the same set of people who worked on the spec | 09:13 |
abarbaccia | i can help testing as well - i have a bunch of bluetooth hardware | 09:13 |
mdz | JaneW: please make a note of people who volunteer to help with testing and such, even if they can't take responsibility for implementation | 09:13 |
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mdz | thom: can you own bluetooth, or do you feel that you need a second? | 09:14 |
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\sh | old working buddy | 09:14 |
thom | mdz: i think i can own it | 09:14 |
mdz | thom: ok, for the missing pieces, I'll need for you to create more detailed specs so that we have the option of bounties for them | 09:15 |
thom | mdz: i'll just need lots of testing help; there's an awful lot of hardware to cover | 09:15 |
mdz | BrandingForDerivatives | 09:15 |
thom | mdz: noted | 09:15 |
Kamion | I'm already in progress on the installer side of BFD | 09:15 |
mdz | kamion and pitti were the spec leads | 09:15 |
Kamion | (discussing with upstream; anything I can't do upstream I'll do locally) | 09:15 |
mdz | I'd like for the two of you to stay with this one, since there's a lot of context | 09:15 |
pitti | I can help a bit where possible, but it's mostly installer related | 09:15 |
pitti | of course I'm in | 09:16 |
Kamion | agreed. I'd prefer not to be sucked into the non-installer side though, if possible | 09:16 |
JaneW | mdz: belated, sure | 09:16 |
Kamion | so sounds like a joint project | 09:16 |
jbailey | mdz: I can help look at that too, since I've done some of it once. | 09:16 |
mdz | Edubuntu will be jeff elkner, colin applegate and eric harrison | 09:16 |
pitti | Kamion: okay, then I'm responsible for the non-installer side then | 09:16 |
mdz | I don't think they were able to attend this meeting | 09:17 |
Kamion | pitti: nod | 09:17 |
jammcq | mdz: i've got a SkoleLinux buddy who might like to help with Edubuntu | 09:17 |
mdz | ExpandingUniverse, ogra and dholbach? | 09:17 |
ogra | yep | 09:17 |
dholbach | yes | 09:17 |
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dholbach | already working on it ;-) | 09:17 |
mdz | jammcq: please send contact details to JaneW | 09:17 |
jammcq | k | 09:17 |
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mdz | FormalTestPlans didn't quite make it onto the schedule at UDU | 09:18 |
jbailey | I'm interested in FTP | 09:18 |
Riddell | \sh: lets get you to MOTU first (then we can take over universe) | 09:18 |
mdz | is anyone interested in the development of formal QA test plans for testing Ubuntu? | 09:18 |
mdz | jbailey: ok | 09:18 |
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\sh | Riddell: aggreed :) | 09:18 |
ogra | mdz, amu already has some... | 09:18 |
amu | mdz: sounds fine for me | 09:18 |
dholbach | amu: didn't you have QA test plans? | 09:18 |
dholbach | ah ok :-) | 09:18 |
mdz | amu: ok, thanks | 09:18 |
ajmitch_ | dholbach: there was AutomatedTesting as well | 09:19 |
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mdz | GraphicalInstaller was a discussion/roadmap BOF | 09:19 |
ogra | amu, i'll be there to help out | 09:19 |
pitti | mdz: AutomatedTesting sounds like a subset of Formal QA | 09:19 |
Amaranth | Is JaneW the secretary or something? :) | 09:19 |
mdz | pitti: they are related, but FormalTestPlans is about creating documents that the community can use to participate in formal testing | 09:19 |
mdz | pitti: step-by-step test plans | 09:19 |
Kamion | GraphicalInstaller has one piece left in it | 09:19 |
Kamion | namely putting the base system onto the live CD | 09:20 |
mdz | Amaranth: JaneW is the newest member of the Ubuntu team | 09:20 |
jbailey | pitti: FormalTestPlans should include user acceptance testing, and such. | 09:20 |
infinity | mdz : Count me in on FTP with jbailey. | 09:20 |
amu | ogra: ack | 09:20 |
mdz | everyone say hello to JaneW ;-) | 09:20 |
dholbach | JaneW: you rock! :-) | 09:20 |
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pitti | hello JaneW | 09:20 |
ogra | hello to JaneW ;-) | 09:20 |
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Amaranth | mdz: Ah. You said to send info to her so I thought she was the meeting secretary. :) | 09:20 |
crimsun | hi again, JaneW :) | 09:20 |
doko | JaneW: hello JaneW | 09:20 |
infinity | "Good morning, miss W!" | 09:20 |
Nafallo | JaneW: hi there :-) | 09:20 |
fabbione | mdz: not only.. she is also our new kernel name release manager :) | 09:20 |
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mdz | she will be helping us from a project management angle | 09:20 |
seb128 | hello JaneW | 09:20 |
ogra | yeah | 09:20 |
ajmitch_ | hi JaneW :) | 09:20 |
afranke | hi JaneW | 09:20 |
KaiL | the most mportant with a graphical installer is an easy way to disable it :p | 09:20 |
Amaranth | nogui boot option? | 09:21 |
thom | JaneW: know who we all are yet? ;-) | 09:21 |
Kamion | KaiL: it doesn't sound like you've read the spec at all | 09:21 |
mdz | ogra: are you still interested in working on GraphicalPartitioningTool? | 09:21 |
\sh | KaiL: server install will fit for you ;) | 09:21 |
ogra | mdz, sure | 09:21 |
dholbach | mdz: me too | 09:21 |
mdz | ogra,dholbach: great | 09:21 |
ogra | mdz, but dholbach would be a great addition | 09:21 |
mvo | mdz: if help is needed there, I'm in too | 09:21 |
ajmitch_ | I can help there also | 09:21 |
dholbach | woohoo! :-) | 09:21 |
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dholbach | the more the merrier :-) | 09:22 |
ajmitch_ | ogra: it's good fun ;) | 09:22 |
mdz | LTSPXorgConfiguration is a daniels and jammcq affair | 09:22 |
\sh | ogra: have a look at redhat installer ;) | 09:22 |
TheMuso | mdz: if accessibility is being considered, I can put my hand up to help make sure that happens. | 09:22 |
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TheMuso | For the installer. | 09:22 |
mdz | mvo: thanks | 09:22 |
mdz | guys, we're not here to discuss the specs; we can do that on the mailing list and in the wiki | 09:22 |
KaiL | \sh: problem are more laptops, which doesn't like framebuffer and such - but that's OT now | 09:22 |
zul | i can help kernel side if need be | 09:22 |
jbailey | parted is apparently looking for a new upstream, so you might run into issues there. | 09:22 |
mdz | our primary purpose here is to organize who is going to work on which projects | 09:22 |
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Kamion | TheMuso: best if you work with either me or whoever ends up working on UbuntuExpress for that | 09:23 |
mdz | LanguagePackRoadmap -> pitti? | 09:23 |
pitti | of course | 09:23 |
mdz | pitti: who can work with you on that? | 09:23 |
pitti | with carlos' help | 09:23 |
pitti | for the Rosetta side | 09:23 |
mdz | pitti: I think someone from the distro side should work with you on it, since currently I think you're the only one who is very familiar with the language pack infrastructure | 09:24 |
pitti | amu or Riddell would be nice, too, for the Kubuntu parts | 09:24 |
Riddell | I can do that | 09:24 |
amu | pitti: sure | 09:24 |
pitti | indeed, someone else should learn that stuff, too | 09:24 |
mdz | JaneW: put Charles down for language packs as well | 09:24 |
JaneW | ok | 09:24 |
mdz | LaunchpadIntegration is next | 09:24 |
pitti | is adi still on board? | 09:25 |
JaneW | pitti: yes | 09:25 |
mdz | JaneW: for all of Breezy? | 09:25 |
JaneW | mdz: I thought so, I heard they wanted to involve her more... | 09:25 |
mdz | ok | 09:25 |
JaneW | I'll check | 09:25 |
mdz | seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration | 09:26 |
mdz | seb128: can you handle the Ubuntu side, and we'll get someone from Launchpad also? | 09:26 |
seb128 | no pb | 09:26 |
mdz | thanks | 09:26 |
mdz | JaneW: we'll need to requisition a launchpad developer from kiko/stevea | 09:26 |
Nafallo | mdz: I can jump on to the languepacks | 09:26 |
mdz | Nafallo: sure | 09:27 |
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pitti | Hey daf | 09:27 |
daf | hi | 09:27 |
seb128 | hey daf | 09:27 |
JaneW | did we skip ContentFiltering? | 09:27 |
mdz | NFSRoot is part of EarlyUserspace at this point, right jbailey? | 09:27 |
dholbach | daf: <mdz> seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration | 09:27 |
mdz | JaneW: yes, thanks | 09:27 |
daf | dholbach: ah, context, thanks | 09:27 |
jbailey | mdz: Yup, it's a couple add on scripts, and then some fixes to other existing packages. | 09:27 |
fabbione | jbailey: is there anything you need kernel side for it+ | 09:28 |
mdz | jbailey: that's yours, then | 09:28 |
jbailey | fabbione: Nothing at all. =) | 09:28 |
mdz | fabbione: nothing we don't have already | 09:28 |
fabbione | jbailey: ok... | 09:28 |
mdz | hmm, except the initramfs infrastructure | 09:28 |
mdz | which needs kernel-package modifications, I assume | 09:28 |
fabbione | mdz: i need to be sure.. i saw around 20 references to the kernel outside the kernel roadmap | 09:28 |
jbailey | Right, those are make-kpkg changes, not actual in-kernel stuff, though. | 09:28 |
fabbione | jbailey: ok, than i am with you on this | 09:29 |
jbailey | 'k | 09:29 |
mdz | Mithrandir: are you here? | 09:29 |
Kamion | has anyone phoned daniels, btw? if not, I can | 09:29 |
mdz | Mithrandir was second on EarlyUserspace, if he can work with jbailey on that, that'd be ideal | 09:29 |
mdz | Kamion: I haven't, and please do | 09:29 |
Nafallo | mdz: he's in oslo. he should try to get internetaccess, but wasn't sure... | 09:29 |
mdz | JaneW: let's check with Tollef when he returns | 09:29 |
jbailey | I chatted with him 45 minutes ago. | 09:30 |
infinity | fabbione : If you need/want help with anything make-kpkg related, let me know... I've been in pretty deep with Manoj many times. | 09:30 |
mdz | jumping back to ContentFiltering... | 09:30 |
fabbione | infinity: thanks, that will be breat | 09:30 |
fabbione | great even | 09:30 |
mdz | JaneW: ContentFiltering is jeff elkner and eric harrison; they aren't here, but it's an Edubuntu supporting feature | 09:30 |
Kamion | answerphone from daniels' mobile | 09:30 |
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Seveas | silence..? | 09:31 |
mdz | NetworkMagic -- thom? | 09:31 |
thom | yeppity yep | 09:31 |
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daniels | *cough* | 09:32 |
pitti | Hey daniels! | 09:32 |
Amaranth | yay! | 09:32 |
infinity | Morning, sunshine. | 09:32 |
ogra | daniels ! | 09:32 |
seb128 | hey daniels | 09:32 |
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ajmitch_ | morning daniels | 09:32 |
daniels | morning | 09:32 |
JaneW | hi daniels | 09:32 |
daniels | hi all | 09:32 |
mdz | daniels: interested in working with thom on NetworkMagic? | 09:32 |
Kamion | daniels: don't think you've missed anything that belonged to you yet; we're working down http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs, currently at NetworkMagic | 09:32 |
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ajmitch_ | mdz: I'm interested | 09:33 |
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Nafallo | thom: I'll help testing on amd64 when you need it :-) | 09:34 |
mdz | ajmitch_: cool | 09:34 |
Seveas | Does networkmagic also cover WPA/802.1X for wireless networks? | 09:34 |
mdz | Seveas: no, that's more of an ISPAuthentication issue | 09:34 |
daniels | mdz: depends on how much it would involve; if ajmitch could better do it, that would work out well | 09:34 |
infinity | mdz : I BoFd NetworkMagic a bit, and some of it runs squarely down my alley. | 09:34 |
Treenaks | mdz: it should be part of NetMagic I guess | 09:34 |
Seveas | mdz, WPA isn;t really an ISP thing | 09:34 |
thom | Nafallo: i'm on amd64, but testing will be good :-) | 09:34 |
Seveas | it really should belong at NetworkMagic | 09:35 |
mdz | infinity: ok, you and ajmitch can work with thom on it | 09:35 |
mdz | Seveas: that BOF was difficult to name; trust me that it fits there ;-) | 09:35 |
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Seveas | ok :) | 09:35 |
Seveas | i'll wait for that one | 09:35 |
mdz | Seveas: it includes network access authentication stuff in general | 09:35 |
lamont | mdz: WirelessNetworkMagic has the WEP/WPA stuff, and exists as a spec of things that NetworkMagic needs to handle | 09:35 |
mdz | WirelessNetworkManagement, you mean? | 09:36 |
thom | yes | 09:36 |
mdz | I don't see WPA mentioned there | 09:36 |
mdz | at any rate, NetworkMagic itself will be complex enough, we can separate off the WPA bits | 09:37 |
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mdz | NetworkWideUpdates, specified by mvo and infinity | 09:37 |
mvo | mdz: I can take it | 09:37 |
jbailey | mdz: I had many conversations with mvo and infinity, I'd like to be involved on thatl | 09:38 |
mdz | I'm sure we have a number of folks here who would like to at least participate in testing | 09:38 |
mdz | (if you're among them, speak up) | 09:38 |
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mdz | jbailey: ok, sounds good | 09:38 |
fabbione | i can test i think | 09:38 |
infinity | mdz : I'll stay involved on that one, as well. | 09:38 |
haggai | I'm apt-proxy author and am available if need be | 09:39 |
Nafallo | mdz: I'll test :-) | 09:39 |
mdz | I'm not sure that it needs three people, but we can put all of you down and see how it falls later | 09:39 |
infinity | mdz : <nod> | 09:39 |
fabbione | mdz: i already did something similar in a previous job | 09:39 |
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infinity | Easier to kick people off a task than to bring new people in. | 09:39 |
fabbione | mdz: so i can help there | 09:39 |
mdz | fabbione: ok | 09:39 |
mdz | OEMInstaller | 09:40 |
mdz | specified by Kamion and Mithrandir | 09:40 |
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JaneW | mdz: I am not clear what I need to check with Tollef... | 09:40 |
JaneW | oh EarlyUserSpace, whether he'll run with it? | 09:40 |
mdz | JaneW: yes | 09:40 |
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mdz | JaneW: also OEMInstaller now | 09:40 |
JaneW | mdz: sorry I have horrible lag here suddenly - I'll try to keep up | 09:41 |
mdz | JaneW: we can go over the log afterward if necessary | 09:41 |
Amaranth | we lost thom! :/ | 09:41 |
Kamion | it seems practically certain that I'll end up involved in OEMInstaller somehow | 09:41 |
infinity | Kamion : Seems so, yes. | 09:41 |
mdz | Kamion: I should hope so | 09:41 |
ogra | heh | 09:41 |
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Nafallo | hehe | 09:41 |
Treenaks | Kamion: doesn't the branding tie into it as well? | 09:41 |
Kamion | I may as well lead it | 09:41 |
infinity | Kamion : If you need more input, it's something I'm quite interested in. | 09:41 |
mdz | Kamion: agreed | 09:42 |
elmo | we should just auto-assign anything matching '.*staller.*' to kamion and move on | 09:42 |
elmo | ;P | 09:42 |
fabbione | elmo: ehhehe | 09:42 |
Kamion | Treenaks: OEMs might well want that, but I think it's orthogonal to that spec | 09:42 |
ogra | elmo, like "the partitioner ate my disk" ? | 09:42 |
mdz | elmo: we need to distribute the installer experience a bit :-P | 09:42 |
mdz | OpenOfficeLocalisation is next | 09:42 |
Kamion | infinity: yes, please. I don't know how much time Tollef will have early on. | 09:43 |
mdz | specified by doko and carlos | 09:43 |
doko | yes, we should work both on that | 09:43 |
mdz | doko: we definitely want you on this | 09:43 |
mdz | JaneW: need to confirm with Launchpad mgmt regarding carlos | 09:43 |
JaneW | mdz: ok | 09:43 |
mdz | PrintingRoadmap, specified by pitti and daniels | 09:44 |
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mdz | (speaking of which, I switched from hpoj to hplip yesterday, and it's 100% better) | 09:44 |
pitti | mdz: then we need you for testing | 09:44 |
infinity | JaneW : Sign me up for OEMInstaller, if you haven't already. | 09:44 |
mdz | I believe daniels has similar hardware, which is one of the reasons he's associated with this topic | 09:44 |
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JaneW | infinity: done ;) | 09:44 |
KaiL | printing is something, which might need very much testers..? | 09:45 |
mdz | KaiL: definitely | 09:45 |
pitti | mdz: ah, ok; however, I can do and test the other magic | 09:45 |
elmo | the lunchpad has a HP now | 09:45 |
elmo | (FWIW) | 09:45 |
Amaranth | I have a lexmark p707 i can be a guinea pig with, if needed. | 09:45 |
infinity | PrintingRoadmap will need lots of testers, not the least of reasons being that most programmer don't own printers. :/ | 09:45 |
KaiL | lol | 09:45 |
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mdz | pitti: hplip just needs to be de-rooted, and we should be able to add it to the default install to have all-in-ones Just Work | 09:45 |
Amaranth | I actually had to installed an rpm to make it work, so I'm interested. :) | 09:45 |
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mdz | daniels: can you stick with PrintingRoadmap? | 09:46 |
minghua | I've got a HP inkjet (845C I think) and I can help testing if needed | 09:46 |
jbailey | I have a mixed network I can use for windows testing of printing, but that might be more under WindowsInteroperability | 09:46 |
daniels | mdz: sure | 09:46 |
mdz | ok | 09:46 |
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infinity | jbailey : I'm just going to steal you wholesale for anything vaguely Win32-related. | 09:46 |
daniels | i'm not entirely convinced I'll get to keep the psc1210 with me when I move out | 09:46 |
mdz | ShtoomVoip, specified by `anthony and thom | 09:46 |
daniels | but I should at least have access to it when I need it | 09:46 |
KaiL | we could use the community for testing here - if any printer needs manual work, this manual work should be automated in the next version | 09:46 |
mdz | `anthony is likely asleep | 09:46 |
jbailey | infinity: Yes, dear. | 09:46 |
Nafallo | canon bjc-600e parallell avalible. | 09:46 |
thom_ | quite happy to take shtoom packaging, daf's done most of the hardwork ;-) | 09:47 |
daf | thom: you're welcome :) | 09:48 |
Nafallo | thom: I hope to be able to test bits of that :-). | 09:48 |
daf | thom: I have some FHS compliance work on my todo list | 09:48 |
thom | mdz: the server side stuff will need to drag elmo in, too | 09:48 |
mdz | thom: yes | 09:48 |
elmo | uh, whatnow? | 09:48 |
fabbione | elmo: you get to pay beer to everybody | 09:48 |
pitti | fabbione ++ | 09:48 |
thom | elmo: sip servers on our hardware... i mean, what fabio said | 09:48 |
elmo | oh, that, ok | 09:49 |
fabbione | ;) | 09:49 |
elmo | that crack is a breezy goal? | 09:49 |
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daf | thom: will you be doing the SER packaging, then? | 09:49 |
thom | elmo: ya | 09:49 |
elmo | score | 09:49 |
mdz | JaneW: in addition to the packaging bits of this, there's a pretty sizeable development project; we need to check with Mark on his plans for that | 09:49 |
Nafallo | thom: asterisk connectivity will be there for me to test, right? :-) | 09:50 |
mdz | ThinClientIntegration will be primarily jammcq and myself | 09:50 |
mdz | though we will need a lot of testers | 09:50 |
JaneW | mdz: ok... | 09:50 |
mdz | JaneW: adi mentioned that she had testing facilities available | 09:50 |
fabbione | mdz: count on me for testing... | 09:50 |
jbailey | I should be marked on there somewhere, since it depends on nfsroot and earlyuserspace. | 09:50 |
mdz | and hopefully jammcq can help get us in contact with testers from the LTSP community | 09:51 |
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mdz | jbailey: yes, that's a direct dependency | 09:51 |
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mdz | excellent | 09:51 |
mdz | ToggleDesktopModes, specified by jdub and seb128 | 09:52 |
seb128 | mdz: I've worked on sabayon yesterday and today, package ready | 09:52 |
seb128 | mdz: so for me | 09:52 |
dholbach | seb128: woohoo | 09:52 |
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mdz | dholbach: I take that to mean that you'll work with seb128 on it? ;-) | 09:53 |
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dholbach | mdz: the GNOME team will :-) | 09:53 |
ogra | hehe | 09:53 |
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sivang | now here is someone you havn't seen for some time :-) | 09:53 |
seb128 | ah ah | 09:53 |
Amaranth | hehe | 09:53 |
mdz | Riddell: let's discuss that sometime soon; I think it overlaps in some places but doesn't provide the same functionality that we originally intended for this feature | 09:53 |
dholbach | infinity: ho wait... that's all ExpandingUniverse, right? :-) | 09:53 |
mdz | JaneW: I know sivang is interested in helping with LaunchpadIntegration | 09:53 |
sivang | JanC: very much :-) | 09:54 |
JaneW | ok, noted | 09:54 |
mdz | ToolchainRoadmap was specified by doko and jbailey, and they are already making progress on it | 09:54 |
jbailey | Ayup | 09:55 |
seb128 | mdz: there is no real need to help with the way we have picked (ie: there is not a lot of work), but right | 09:55 |
mdz | there's a substantial universe component to that, so perhaps dholbach or ogra should be involved | 09:55 |
dholbach | jbailey, doko: when will be the big bang for c++? | 09:55 |
JaneW | could people who I don't know, but are volunteering to help, please mail me with their real name, nick name (and e-mail address) to janew@ubuntu.com. thanks. | 09:55 |
ogra | mdz, ok | 09:55 |
dholbach | mdz: absolutely | 09:56 |
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mdz | ok, both | 09:56 |
doko | mdz: helping hands for the renaming uploads of library packages would be nice. | 09:56 |
jbailey | JaneW: What % of the distro team does that include? | 09:56 |
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Amaranth | JaneW: Volunteering to help or test? | 09:56 |
lamont | jbailey: she has a spreadsheet now, with all of us. | 09:57 |
tseng|work | jbaily: what % is 3 of 16? | 09:57 |
dholbach | doko: i'll mobilize the MOTU side of the force :-) | 09:57 |
Nafallo | JaneW: done | 09:57 |
infinity | doko : I'm in for rapid transition stuff. | 09:57 |
seb128 | jbailey: that probably includes me, I never got the mail about the evolution bug I was supposed to get :p | 09:57 |
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JaneW | jbailey: watch-it, I studied! | 09:57 |
doko | infinity: fine | 09:57 |
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lamont | doko: how much of the rename is scriptable? | 09:57 |
mdz | doko,JaneW: charles can work with doko on ToolchainRoadmap | 09:57 |
trulux | heya | 09:57 |
pitti | Hi trulux | 09:57 |
trulux | hey pitti | 09:57 |
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dholbach | lamont: don't think it's possible - because of changed and tightened build-depends, or am i wrong, doko? | 09:58 |
trulux | pitti: I came to talk a bit on the new spec. | 09:58 |
pitti | trulux: in #ubuntu-devel please | 09:58 |
dholbach | trulux: we're mostly assigning | 09:58 |
doko | lamont: I don't think much for the libraries. better do these by hand. | 09:58 |
tseng|work | trulux: can you please follow the agenda | 09:58 |
trulux | pitti: before uploading andso on (I got back a partially funcitonal box until I recover the backups from the devel. one) | 09:58 |
lamont | doko: ok | 09:58 |
sivang | hey trulux | 09:58 |
trulux | hey sivang ! | 09:58 |
mdz | UbuntuExpress is primarily my fault, but I don't expect to have the time to be the lead on the implementation (and I don't expect Kamion to either) | 09:58 |
trulux | tseng|work: sure | 09:58 |
Kamion | I imagine both of us will be contributing fairly significantly, but agreed | 09:59 |
JaneW | mdz: time check, we're an hour in now. | 09:59 |
ogra | mdz, i'd like to care for the gui part | 09:59 |
tseng|work | trulux: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs, we'll get to you | 09:59 |
mdz | JaneW: kiko mentioned that he had people in Brazil who were very interested in UbuntuExpress, we need to follow up on that | 09:59 |
mdz | JaneW: thanks, I think we'll probably cut it off at 2 hours and defer the rest to mail or a second meeting | 09:59 |
Kamion | whoever takes it up needs to be very conscious of working with people, and not just going it alone (a symptom I've noticed) | 09:59 |
Kamion | since much of the point is to have something well-integrated | 10:00 |
Amaranth | ok, let's start flying :) | 10:00 |
trulux | tseng|work: ok, thanks. I'll get finished the u-h spec soon | 10:00 |
mdz | JaneW: ogra + check-with-kiko's-people on UbuntuExpress | 10:00 |
ogra | thanks :) | 10:00 |
mdz | JaneW: they'll be working directly with me and Colin to be sure that it follows our intentions | 10:01 |
Kamion | a number of people have expressed interest in a live CD installer at various times, so we should get design stuff out early and often | 10:01 |
Kamion | to bring them in | 10:01 |
mvo | mdz: I would like to be part of it too | 10:01 |
mdz | mvo: sounds good | 10:01 |
mdz | Kamion: yes, it will need extreme amounts of testing | 10:02 |
mdz | VideoPlaybackRoadmap, specified by seb128 and daniels | 10:02 |
seb128 | mdz: I'm handling the gstreamer part, daniels the xine part | 10:02 |
mdz | sounds good | 10:02 |
mdz | JaneW: Charles expressed interest as well | 10:03 |
daniels | yeah, I'm going to be putting a newer xine into universe | 10:03 |
mdz | and of course there will be gobs of testers needed | 10:03 |
JaneW | mdz: ok | 10:03 |
mdz | daniels: and trying to get a stripped-down xine into main, right? | 10:03 |
Nafallo | daniels: great! I'll test it :-). | 10:03 |
mdz | (the goal is to have a reasonable playback engine in main) | 10:03 |
elmo | mdz: reasonable how? | 10:03 |
Amaranth | wouldn't gstreamer cover that? | 10:03 |
tseng|work | a member at the bof thought it was very feasible to rip out patented bits of xine | 10:04 |
elmo | (err, nm, can discuss elsewhere) | 10:04 |
Amaranth | with pitfdll it handles all major formats | 10:04 |
seb128 | Amaranth: the spec says we keep both option and pick the best one | 10:04 |
KaiL | tseng|work: and what is left then? | 10:04 |
tseng|work | pitfdll isnt distributable in a working state, no dlls | 10:04 |
tseng|work | KaiL: open formats without ridiculous sync issues in gst? | 10:04 |
mdz | ok, no time to discuss it now, review the spec and take discussion to the mailing list | 10:04 |
tseng|work | anyway, discuss later | 10:04 |
tim1 | tseng|work: with gstreamer you can just decide which modules you want to have in main or universe, no hassle with stripped-down versions | 10:05 |
KaiL | tseng|work: problem that around no files are in these open formats :( | 10:05 |
mdz | XRoadmap will be led by daniels | 10:05 |
Nafallo | naturally :-) | 10:05 |
KaiL | so better force the people to install media support later than have something nearly useless as default.. | 10:05 |
fabbione | mdz: i will be around as backup | 10:05 |
mdz | fabbione: ok | 10:06 |
daniels | seems pretty sensible, yeah | 10:06 |
fabbione | daniels: start to put everything in arch archives please.. | 10:06 |
daniels | mdz: i believe the plan with xine was to strip it down in universe and see how feasible it was, and then to later use that to make a decision on gstreamer vs xine | 10:06 |
daniels | fabbione: i'm putting all the smaller packages into bazaar-ng archives as I split them | 10:06 |
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fabbione | daniels: ok. | 10:06 |
mdz | Xen is already being implemented by fabbione | 10:06 |
fabbione | mdz: no, Xen plans have changes | 10:07 |
jbailey | I should probaby be on that, some of the glibc changes affect Xen. | 10:07 |
fabbione | mdz: Mithrandir and smurfix are working on it now | 10:07 |
Amaranth | that's a 2.6.12 feature, isn't it? | 10:07 |
fabbione | Amaranth: no | 10:07 |
dholbach | there was somebody on the mailing list having success with it | 10:07 |
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jbailey | JaneW: Oh please don't... ;) | 10:07 |
ogra | hehe | 10:07 |
afed | is this a meeting | 10:07 |
fabbione | mdz: Mithrandir and smurfix are also evaluating another virtualization implementation that is more portable than xen | 10:07 |
dholbach | afed: yes | 10:07 |
Nafallo | I'm gonna test Xen aswell ;-) | 10:07 |
afed | o | 10:07 |
hunger | fabbione: Which one? | 10:08 |
mdz | JaneW: ok, need to follow up with Mithrandir and smurfix and see where that's going | 10:08 |
fabbione | mdz: my side i will be available when it is time to merge into the main kernel as we agreed during the BoF | 10:08 |
sivang | mdz: do we support pSeries hypervisor virtualization like redhat and suse does? (i.e. all it takes is a patched kernel for virutal hardware and hypervisor connectivity) | 10:08 |
fabbione | hunger: it's not publically available yet. | 10:08 |
mdz | sivang: we haven't looked at it yet; I didn't realize the software was free | 10:09 |
sivang | fabbione: I have access to the hardware, would love to test a such when/if realized | 10:09 |
sivang | mdz: ah ok, if I have further details, I'll email -devel | 10:09 |
mdz | sivang: thans | 10:09 |
fabbione | sivang: you want to talk with Mith and smurfix | 10:09 |
mdz | thanks | 10:09 |
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sivang | fabbione: k | 10:10 |
mdz | LaptopMission is missing from the high priority list | 10:10 |
mdz | JaneW: that'll be largely mjg59 | 10:10 |
Seveas | between video and xen i missed wirelessnetworkmanagement and xroadmap | 10:10 |
mdz | thom: can you back up mjg59 on that? | 10:11 |
mdz | Seveas: we discussed them | 10:11 |
infinity | What happened to things still marked "NeedsPriority"? | 10:11 |
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infinity | (specifically thinking of ServerTeam) | 10:11 |
mdz | infinity: things still marked NeedsPriority need to be revisited at a later time | 10:12 |
JaneW | infinity: in most cases they were left off | 10:12 |
infinity | Fair nuff. | 10:12 |
mdz | if they weren't obviously HighPriority, they haven't made it into the list yet | 10:12 |
blk | is there someone discussing the point "init" tomorrow? (i'm esp. interested if initng is part of the topic) | 10:12 |
JaneW | infinity: cvd and I gave some of them a default medium status, but that started confusing things, so we stopped | 10:12 |
dholbach | blk: the meeting is right now | 10:12 |
mdz | that covers the high-priority tasks pretty well | 10:13 |
mdz | let's get through as many medium-priority tasks as we can in the next 45m | 10:13 |
Kamion | blk: unless it was one of the things we sat down and specified/designed at UDU, it isn't being discussed here | 10:13 |
mdz | AutomatedProblemReports | 10:13 |
JaneW | ok, there were 3 discussed that weren't on my list | 10:13 |
mpt | blk: FasterBoot is marked as LowPriority, so we probably won't get to it in this meeting | 10:13 |
pitti | that covers half of the world, but I'll see how far we will come with that; however, stripping debug symbols and basic crash reporting should be feasible for breezy | 10:13 |
mdz | (pitti and mvo) | 10:13 |
blk | ok, sorry for interrupting | 10:14 |
pitti | mdz: I'm in of course | 10:14 |
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mdz | pitti: yes, but be sure that you can balance the load with others, since you have some high-priority tasks already | 10:15 |
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pitti | mvo ? | 10:15 |
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mvo | mdz: I'm not too keen on it to be honest, but I can help (and I already put some work in the spec) | 10:15 |
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pitti | mvo: we need you for event-notifier | 10:15 |
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mdz | is there anyone other than pitti and mvo who is interested in automated problem reports? | 10:15 |
lamont | JaneW: given that it's a hack anyway you go at it, I'd rather have someone else screamed at... :) | 10:16 |
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mdz | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports | 10:16 |
jbailey | mdz: I have some exposure from the bugzilla/bug-buddy hacking as well as support stuff. | 10:16 |
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jbailey | mdz: Getting crunchy for available time, though. | 10:16 |
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seb128 | mdz: I'm interested by the debug stuff | 10:16 |
pitti | sivang_away: it doesn't exist yet | 10:16 |
pitti | yeah, we need a pygtk hacker for a frontend | 10:16 |
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mdz | seb128,jbailey: I'd appreciate your involvement, of course, but I think we need someone who can dedicate a lot of their time to it | 10:17 |
Amaranth | frontend for what? | 10:17 |
pitti | problem reports | 10:17 |
mdz | fabbione: are you interestede in APR at all? | 10:17 |
pitti | I have a basic prototype, but not very nice | 10:17 |
fabbione | mdz: nope... | 10:17 |
KaiL | the only working frontend is IRC, or? :) | 10:17 |
ogra | pitti, i can help you with that | 10:17 |
pitti | fabbione: it involves kernel panic reports :-) | 10:17 |
mpt | pitti: You need design work? | 10:17 |
mdz | infinity: or you? | 10:17 |
fabbione | pitti: fix your hardware :) | 10:17 |
pitti | mpt: probably a bit, yes | 10:17 |
pitti | fabbione: fix your kernel crashes | 10:18 |
sivang_away | fabbione: lol | 10:18 |
Amaranth | that reminds me, anything with a user interface should have mpt autoassigned to it ;) | 10:18 |
thom_ | argh, can we not call it APR please ;-) | 10:18 |
infinity | mdz : I can hack on the guts, but the frontend probably needs someone more gui-oriented. :) | 10:18 |
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mdz | infinity: the guts need the most attention | 10:18 |
infinity | mdz : Fair enough. Sign me up, then. | 10:18 |
mdz | JaneW: we'll need to make some extra passes over this list when it's said and done, to make sure the workload is balanced | 10:18 |
Amaranth | next topic? | 10:18 |
mpt | pitti: You have my e-mail address? | 10:18 |
mdz | JaneW: so include everyone who expressed interest in AutomatedProblemReports, and we'll revisit it at that stage | 10:18 |
mdz | CalendaringSynchronisation is next | 10:19 |
JaneW | ok | 10:19 |
mdz | Mithrandir and jbailey worked on the spec | 10:19 |
jbailey | mdz: The deal with CalendaringSynch was basically finish up some stuff in evo, and then wait until upstreams catch up. | 10:19 |
jbailey | mdz: Might be best to just defer it. | 10:19 |
mdz | there doesn't seem to be much meat here | 10:19 |
jbailey | mdz: Otherwise it's potentially a large development effort. | 10:20 |
Nafallo | bounty? | 10:20 |
mdz | jbailey: we'll want to create more detailed specs for the pieces which are missing, as candidates for bounty projects | 10:20 |
jbailey | mdz: 'k | 10:20 |
mdz | jbailey: can you take on the specification piece? | 10:20 |
jbailey | Yes. | 10:20 |
mdz | great | 10:20 |
mdz | ClusterFilesystems - fabbione? | 10:20 |
fabbione | clusterfs is jdub and mine. i think we already splitted the tasks | 10:20 |
fabbione | i am almost done with the packaging. i need to review some bits tho | 10:21 |
fabbione | mdz: i would appreciate some people to help with testing | 10:21 |
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fabbione | (that means at least 2 spare machines available) | 10:21 |
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mdz | anyone here interested in clusters? | 10:22 |
amu | fabbione: count me as a tester | 10:22 |
fabbione | amu: great.. | 10:22 |
mdz | especially if you happen to have a cluster available ;-) | 10:22 |
fabbione | mdz: ehhehe | 10:22 |
ogra | hehe | 10:22 |
pitti | fabbione: interested in testing | 10:22 |
Nafallo | mdz: interest is here, but I lack hardware :-/. | 10:22 |
fabbione | also mixed hw is good | 10:22 |
pitti | fabbione: if 4 computers count as a minicluster, that is | 10:22 |
fabbione | there is no need to have only i386 | 10:22 |
ogra | fabbione, add me to the testers list | 10:22 |
lamont | fabbione: I could almost certainly get involved in the testing | 10:22 |
mdz | ok, FasterNetworkedX...is there something we can actually do here? | 10:23 |
infinity | pitti : Anything over 1 can be a cluster, for the purpose of testing. | 10:23 |
fabbione | JaneW: are you taking notes? ;) | 10:23 |
fabbione | thanks guys | 10:23 |
mdz | daniels: ? | 10:23 |
jammcq | isn't that integrating NX/FreeNX? | 10:23 |
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mdz | yes, though the spec says disparaging things about it | 10:23 |
JaneW | fabbione: trying too, though I think I am going to have fun re-reading all this for the bits I've missed | 10:23 |
Riddell | put NX into universe, it's often requested | 10:23 |
Riddell | I can do look into it | 10:24 |
ogra | mdz, Mithrandirs already works on something.... iirc | 10:24 |
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mdz | ok, daniels should be involved, Mithrandir has already done some work, and jammcq is interested | 10:24 |
mdz | and Riddell | 10:24 |
mdz | I think it is a one-person task, but we need to do some followup to see what has been done already among that group | 10:25 |
mdz | FileManagerImprovement | 10:25 |
mdz | seb128: is there a clear implementation plan for this? | 10:25 |
seb128 | not really | 10:25 |
seb128 | half of the point are really upstream code changes | 10:25 |
daniels | mdz: mainly mithrandir; there's arelly not much we can do for FNX | 10:26 |
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pitti | push midnight commander into main? /duck | 10:26 |
seb128 | I don't feel like doing all of them, maybe we want bounty some stuff? | 10:26 |
mrz123 | greetings | 10:26 |
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dholbach | bugreport-prioritization-and-boutying | 10:26 |
Seveas | +1 on pittu :) | 10:26 |
seb128 | the other part should be fine | 10:26 |
KaiL | pitti: goood idea | 10:26 |
daniels | Riddell: i'd like to see any potential packages before they're put into universe, just as a sanity check | 10:26 |
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Riddell | daniels: yep | 10:26 |
mdz | seb128: we can bounty some of this work if there are sufficiently detailed specs | 10:26 |
seb128 | pitti: that's GettingRideOfTheDesktop :p | 10:26 |
seb128 | mdz: I'm thinking about the place/bookmark unification between nautilus and the rest of the desktop | 10:27 |
seb128 | mdz: I can spec that if we want to bounty it | 10:27 |
mdz | seb128: ok, please do | 10:27 |
KaiL | seb128: that's also "give users a console editor with a normal UI" :) | 10:27 |
mdz | FontHandling | 10:27 |
seb128 | k | 10:27 |
Amaranth | seb128: Someone it working on a spec for that, if I understand the mail to d-d-l correctly. | 10:27 |
mdz | mako and jdub worked on the spec | 10:28 |
afed | i'd like to make ubunto closed source so terrorists cant read the source code and use it to make viruses pls | 10:28 |
mdz | neither of them is likely to be able to spend time on implementation, though | 10:28 |
seb128 | Amaranth: I've already talked with some upstream about this, cf the gnome wiki | 10:28 |
Amaranth | afed: ... | 10:28 |
mdz | Amaranth: don't feed the troll | 10:28 |
doko | mdz: I'm taking care of OOo2 font side, and prepare a test plan | 10:29 |
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mdz | there isn't a clear implementation plan, so let's consider it needs-attention for now | 10:29 |
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mdz | doko: though please do carry on with that | 10:30 |
mdz | GdmRoadmap - seb128? | 10:30 |
minghua | I would like to work on Chinese fonts | 10:30 |
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mdz | seb128: this sounds like it needs bounty specs | 10:30 |
seb128 | mdz: jdub wants to bounty that to Vincent Untz | 10:30 |
seb128 | will talk with him at GUADEC probably | 10:30 |
seb128 | both of them in fact | 10:30 |
ogra | seb128, that also includes xscreensaver ? | 10:31 |
mdz | there are several different projects here | 10:31 |
seb128 | k, I'll talk with jdub to spec that | 10:31 |
afed | sorry for trolling, you guys are obviously too smart for that | 10:31 |
mdz | seb128: panel enhancements, same story? | 10:31 |
seb128 | we had no BOF about this afaik | 10:31 |
seb128 | and I disagree with half of the stuff on the wiki page | 10:31 |
mpt | seb128: correct | 10:31 |
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mdz | JaneW: ok, flag it to review please | 10:31 |
Amaranth | but they're fun! | 10:32 |
mdz | GraphicalConfigTools, spec by ogra and seb128 | 10:32 |
mpt | seb128: Correct on both counts, even :-) | 10:32 |
ogra | mdz, not really a spec | 10:32 |
mdz | looks like three specs to me | 10:32 |
ogra | mdz, it says we will do feasability studies | 10:32 |
amu | ogra: xDSL ... | 10:32 |
Nafallo | something to control hdparm would be great. | 10:33 |
mdz | we should definitely do the password changing tool | 10:33 |
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mdz | there has also been a lot of demand for a simple service configuration tool | 10:33 |
ogra | mdz, ok, i'll take whats decided there | 10:33 |
mdz | JaneW: ok, ogra will work on it, and/or perhaps bounties | 10:33 |
ogra | mdz, but we didnt spec it to the end... | 10:33 |
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ajmitch_ | there are other BOFs (SELinux) where we want some graphical config, so I can help | 10:33 |
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mdz | ogra: depending on your availability, perhaps you can help with the specs for bounty work | 10:34 |
ogra | sure :) | 10:34 |
thom_ | note that there's mention of service restart in networkmagic, too | 10:34 |
ogra | ok | 10:34 |
mdz | Kamion: you've got simpleresize and stage2progress, right? | 10:34 |
thom_ | (using a dbus daemon to do restart services) | 10:34 |
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ogra | thom_, woah | 10:35 |
ogra | thom_, thats cool | 10:35 |
Kamion | mdz: yes | 10:35 |
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mdz | fabbione: you are second on the InstallerVolumeManagement spec, and Kamion has a heavy load; can you own it? | 10:35 |
ajmitch_ | ogra: either that or hack dbus into daemons :) | 10:35 |
thom_ | i'm happy to help fabbione on that one | 10:35 |
fabbione | mdz: i can help for sure, the changes are not too difficult | 10:36 |
mdz | ok, great | 10:36 |
ogra | ajmitch_, hmm, touching all daemons ? | 10:36 |
thom_ | (InstallerVolumeManagement, that is) | 10:36 |
mdz | IntroDeveloperDocs | 10:36 |
Kamion | the automatic-/boot-outside-LVM thing is the hardest bit I think, but we can talk about that later | 10:36 |
tseng|work | i spec'd that | 10:36 |
ajmitch_ | mdz: tseng, and other MOTUs (like myself) | 10:36 |
fabbione | Kamion: yes, we need to coordinate that one properly | 10:36 |
tseng|work | im planning to do most of the writing in the next few weeks and pass to doc team | 10:36 |
mdz | tseng|work,ajmitch_: can you take responsibility for it? | 10:37 |
tseng|work | done. | 10:37 |
ajmitch_ | ok | 10:37 |
mdz | ok, great. please get a name of someone on the doc team who can be responsible for that portion as well | 10:37 |
Burgundavia | I can do it | 10:37 |
tseng|work | we already have jerome and mary | 10:37 |
ajmitch_ | thanks Burgundavia :) | 10:37 |
mdz | KubuntuRoadmap - amu and Riddell? | 10:37 |
amu | mdz: ack | 10:37 |
Riddell | sounds like my sort of thing | 10:37 |
KaiL | < kubuntu testing | 10:37 |
KaiL | ..if Riddell doesn't have me on his ignorelist ;) | 10:38 |
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Riddell | KaiL: very welcome :) | 10:38 |
Nafallo | mdz: I'll test the introdevdocs. when I'm MOTU, it worked :-). | 10:38 |
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mdz | LanguageSelector | 10:38 |
Riddell | hunger: cool | 10:38 |
pitti | I'm not really a GUI guy, maybe we have a pygtk hacker around here? | 10:38 |
dholbach | Nafallo: :-) | 10:38 |
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_mvo_ | mdz: I wanted to check if we can use the evo map here | 10:38 |
ajmitch_ | pitti: ogra? :) | 10:38 |
mdz | we might be able to borrow jamesh | 10:39 |
pitti | mdz: I'm interested, but I won't really have time for it, I'm afraid | 10:39 |
allee | Riddell: me too | 10:39 |
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mdz | pitti: ack | 10:39 |
seb128 | _mvo_: pitti thinks than a map is not a good idea IIRC | 10:39 |
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Riddell | allee: excellent | 10:39 |
ogra | mdz, ok for me | 10:39 |
dholbach | evo-map! :-) | 10:39 |
pitti | seb128, _mvo_ : indeed, but we can discuss that later | 10:39 |
_mvo_ | mdz: please add me too | 10:39 |
_mvo_ | pitti: ok | 10:39 |
seb128 | me too | 10:39 |
pitti | yay | 10:40 |
mdz | JaneW: ok, mvo and ogra, with seb128 | 10:40 |
seb128 | they will just break french if I'm not here | 10:40 |
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seb128 | knowing these german guys :) | 10:40 |
dholbach | hahahaaa | 10:40 |
\sh | lol | 10:40 |
ogra | heh | 10:40 |
mdz | LanguageSupportPackages | 10:40 |
ajmitch_ | seb128: only because noone uses it :) | 10:40 |
pitti | seb128: je suis desolat (or whatever) | 10:40 |
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Kamion | (I also think a map is risky conflation of concepts) | 10:40 |
seb128 | pitti: dsol ;) | 10:40 |
ogra | heh | 10:40 |
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pitti | mdz: that's mainly a community thing | 10:40 |
mdz | we need someone to coordinate it | 10:41 |
\sh | _mvo_: i never saw a full german anyways ;) | 10:41 |
pitti | mdz: mako would rock | 10:41 |
mdz | perhaps mako can do that | 10:41 |
mdz | JaneW: we want mako on that if we can get him | 10:41 |
JaneW | ok | 10:41 |
mdz | LinuxKernelRoadmap - fabbione & co.? | 10:41 |
fabbione | mdz: we need at least one person more | 10:41 |
ogra | zul ? | 10:41 |
fabbione | otherwise we will not manage | 10:41 |
fabbione | ogra: zul is already part of the team | 10:42 |
ogra | ah | 10:42 |
fabbione | one more on top of the actual team | 10:42 |
mdz | who's interested in kernel development? | 10:42 |
infinity | That which does not kill me.. | 10:42 |
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infinity | mdz : Sign me up. | 10:42 |
mdz | infinity: done | 10:42 |
zul | hmm? | 10:43 |
infinity | fabbione spent half of UDU trying to recruit me anyway. | 10:43 |
fabbione | yeah.. come on.. one more? | 10:43 |
mdz | LiveCDFeatures is a me thing, but I'm unlikely to have time for it | 10:43 |
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amu | hmm | 10:43 |
zul | i think we need ppc more as well | 10:43 |
mdz | fabbione: let's do some recruiting on the mailing lists, etc. afterward | 10:43 |
fabbione | mdz: ok we will talk about it later. | 10:43 |
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mdz | amu: can you work on it? | 10:43 |
amu | mdz: guess needs some deeper spec | 10:44 |
mdz | fabbione: there is a kernel side to LiveCDFeatures as well (squashfs and unionfs) | 10:44 |
amu | mdz: sure | 10:44 |
mdz | amu: ok, we can talk about the spec | 10:44 |
fabbione | mdz: unionfs is already there for all arches != ppc | 10:44 |
amu | mdz: ok than | 10:44 |
fabbione | mdz: i did that already.. squashfs needs to go in, if unionfs is crap | 10:44 |
mdz | fabbione: squashfs looks like a big win if combined with unionfs | 10:44 |
fabbione | mdz: that was my understanding | 10:44 |
mdz | they are orthogonal | 10:44 |
fabbione | mdz: ok. i will get it in asap | 10:45 |
mdz | anyway, a discussion for later | 10:45 |
fabbione | ok | 10:45 |
zul | i can work on squashfs | 10:45 |
fabbione | zul: go for it. | 10:45 |
zul | it helps with my other interest for later | 10:45 |
fabbione | ok it's off topic for here | 10:45 |
mdz | LiveCDPrompts doesn't have a proper spec yet | 10:45 |
mdz | but when it does, the implementation will be trivial, and I can do it | 10:45 |
mdz | JaneW: we need to nag smurfix, silbs and sabdfl and get a consensus on whether and how we should change the questions | 10:46 |
JaneW | ok... | 10:46 |
mdz | Mono - tseng & ajmitch? | 10:46 |
ajmitch_ | mdz: yes | 10:46 |
tseng|work | yes. | 10:46 |
ajmitch_ | and ogra, if he wants | 10:46 |
ogra | mdz, and m | 10:46 |
Kamion | I'll need to be involved with at least merging debian-cd changes in LiveCDPrompt | 10:46 |
tseng|work | we can discuss later | 10:46 |
Kamion | +s | 10:46 |
mdz | Kamion: agreed | 10:47 |
tseng|work | but im all over it | 10:47 |
ogra | mdz, i took the amd64 part for mono since friday | 10:47 |
mdz | NetworkAuthentication (this is NIS, LDAP, etc.) - doko and jammcq worked on the spec | 10:47 |
mdz | doko: can you own it? | 10:47 |
infinity | Any spec that specifically names nscd scares me. | 10:48 |
doko | mdz: yes | 10:48 |
mdz | ok | 10:48 |
infinity | mdz : Sign me up for the Win32 parts of that spec, though. | 10:48 |
mdz | OEMRescue | 10:48 |
mdz | infinity: agreed | 10:48 |
mdz | OEMRescue was spec'd by Kamion and Mithrandir | 10:49 |
mdz | Kamion: can Mithrandir run with it without much interaction from you? | 10:49 |
Kamion | OEMRescue should be the same people as OEMInstaller, at least at first, I think | 10:49 |
Kamion | mdz: yes | 10:49 |
mdz | ok, sounds good | 10:49 |
Kamion | we were on the same page there | 10:49 |
mdz | PDASupport needs love | 10:49 |
Burgundavia | I can do testing | 10:50 |
mdz | I think it needs a more in-depth spec, naming specific devices we will seek to support | 10:50 |
mdz | otherwise it is handwavy | 10:50 |
mdz | specific devices, and specific functionality | 10:50 |
tim1 | small question, hope it fits in -devel: am I supposed to use malone or bugzilla to report bugs in breezy right now? | 10:50 |
doko | mdz: OpenOffice2 is missing from the list | 10:50 |
mdz | tim1: wrong channel; we are having a meeting right now | 10:51 |
thom | tim1: wrong channel | 10:51 |
tim1 | damn, wrong chan, sorry | 10:51 |
mdz | doko: please add the DistroSpecification tag to it | 10:51 |
mdz | doko: you and dholbach will own it? | 10:51 |
thom | mdz: i'm happy to flesh the spec out for pdasupport and research what's viable; i can't actually drive it since i have no hardware | 10:51 |
dholbach | erm, i don't think i'll have time for OOo | 10:51 |
dholbach | but somebody contacted me already to form an OO.o team | 10:52 |
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mdz | who can back up doko on ooo2? | 10:52 |
doko | mdz: I'd like to see haggai there | 10:52 |
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mdz | doko: that's not a simple matter; let's discuss it later | 10:53 |
mdz | PackageDependencyManagement - mvo, can you take it? | 10:53 |
mvo | mdz: yep | 10:53 |
mdz | great | 10:53 |
mdz | for PackageSelection, Kamion has done most of the work for the seed change bit already | 10:54 |
mvo | mdz: there are some open issues for the packageing system that I would like to evaluate | 10:55 |
mdz | yes, there is more to discuss there | 10:55 |
mdz | but we will probably not nail it down for Breezy | 10:55 |
mdz | I'll review it | 10:55 |
mvo | mdz: ok, thanks | 10:55 |
mdz | PowerManagementConfiguration ought to be high priority; I'll fix that | 10:55 |
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mdz | ogra: can you continue with that? | 10:56 |
ogra | i'll do the gui part, mjg59 the backend | 10:56 |
mdz | sounds good | 10:56 |
ogra | just waiting for new HAL love | 10:56 |
mdz | I think the backend is already there | 10:56 |
KaiL | who doesn the kde frontend for that? kdelaptopdeamon is imho totally useless.. | 10:56 |
ogra | yep | 10:56 |
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mdz | KaiL: good call | 10:56 |
thom | i'll help on infrastructure/backend for PMC | 10:56 |
daniels | it's an upstream thing, think it's more or less abandoned upstream | 10:56 |
daniels | it's in kdeutils, IIRC | 10:56 |
mdz | who can do a python kde frontend? | 10:56 |
ogra | \sh ? | 10:57 |
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KaiL | daniels: no, they only depend on having an akku | 10:57 |
KaiL | so no chance on desktops :( | 10:57 |
\sh | mvo is informed | 10:57 |
mdz | ok | 10:57 |
Riddell | I should be able to (or delegate if not) | 10:57 |
\sh | for python apt ;) | 10:57 |
Echylo | hmm some one is logging this btw? I gtg | 10:57 |
ogra | \sh, thats powermanagement | 10:57 |
mdz | PowerSavingMode is very much Juan's project, and I don't think he's here | 10:57 |
ogra | Echylo, the logbot | 10:57 |
dholbach | Echylo: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 10:57 |
Echylo | owk thanks :) | 10:58 |
thom | \sh: kde front end to work with hal/similar to gnome-power.sf.net | 10:58 |
\sh | [22:56] <mdz> who can do a python kde frontend? | 10:58 |
\sh | [22:57] <ogra> \sh ? | 10:58 |
mdz | ProprietaryDrivers is primarily a community/process issue | 10:58 |
ogra | \sh, yep | 10:58 |
mdz | \sh: I meant that in the context of PowerManagementConfiguration | 10:58 |
\sh | thom: oh...yeah...let me see what i can do... | 10:58 |
dholbach | \sh: for PowerManagement :-) | 10:58 |
ogra | \sh, that was a questionmark | 10:58 |
ogra | ;) | 10:58 |
\sh | mdz: i will volunteer :) | 10:58 |
\sh | mdz: kde is not the problem ;) | 10:58 |
mdz | JaneW: ProprietaryDrivers already has tasks divided for daniels and jdub | 10:59 |
daniels | mdz: powersavingmode is largely crack | 10:59 |
daniels | i have items out of proprietarydrivers to go talk to upstream | 10:59 |
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Nafallo | I'd like learning-by-doing on the powerstuff :-) | 10:59 |
afranke | mdz: two hours have gone by | 10:59 |
mdz | ReleaseCycle is mine; Kamion and I worked it out and I need to publish it | 11:00 |
pitti | can we finish the medium tasks? | 11:00 |
\sh | ogra: u are the HAL guru? :) | 11:00 |
mdz | we have only 7 more medium tasks to go | 11:00 |
mdz | let's try to finish | 11:00 |
mdz | ServerInstallation | 11:00 |
sladen | afranke: that's why there's 28 hours in a day! | 11:00 |
ogra | \sh, nah... | 11:00 |
mdz | ServerInstallation doesn't have a spec yet | 11:00 |
afranke | ;) | 11:00 |
mdz | SoundEvents | 11:00 |
ogra | \sh, i just know a bit of it | 11:00 |
infinity | ServerInstallation is all over the place... I think it needs some review/love from thom/me, neither of whom were at the BoF. | 11:00 |
pitti | \sh: I know a bit of it | 11:00 |
mdz | infinity: you and AndyFitz? | 11:01 |
\sh | pitti: ok I will peek and poke you :) | 11:01 |
pitti | \sh: sure, please do | 11:01 |
infinity | mdz : SoundEvents, I'm happy owning the packaging fixes, I /can/ own the sound engineering (I've done enough of it in my time), but it's probably better to not pay a programmer to do that bit. :) | 11:01 |
mdz | infinity: I think Andy can help with that | 11:01 |
thom | mdz: I'll own ServerInstallation to the point of getting a spec, and then lets see from there? | 11:01 |
mdz | if not, it'll be a bounty sort of item | 11:01 |
infinity | mdz : Andy knows nothing of sound engineering, afaict. | 11:02 |
mdz | thom: ok, you and infinity see if you can work out the spec, and we'll go from there | 11:02 |
mdz | ThinClientSecurity I don't think we will have time for in the Breezy cycle | 11:02 |
mdz | jammcq: what do you think? | 11:02 |
infinity | mdz : I'll spec out sound bounties later. | 11:02 |
jammcq | mdz: that's my thoughts too | 11:03 |
mdz | unless someone can own it independently, without it taking resources away from ThinClientIntegration, I think it has to wait | 11:03 |
mdz | ok | 11:03 |
mdz | ThirdPartyVendorSoftware | 11:03 |
jbailey | I'm interested in the LSB side of TPVS, and also because of the support/certification side. | 11:03 |
ogra | jdub | 11:03 |
mdz | doesn't have a spec | 11:03 |
ogra | its jdubs list of companys to contact | 11:03 |
mdz | not a development project, at any rate | 11:04 |
ogra | nope | 11:04 |
mdz | USplash | 11:04 |
mdz | everyone's favorite feature | 11:04 |
daniels | horay! | 11:04 |
mpt | yay | 11:04 |
sladen | mmm | 11:04 |
jbailey | usplash and early userspace are related. | 11:04 |
ogra | heh | 11:04 |
daniels | sladen said he should have finished code by the end of UDU | 11:04 |
JaneW | mdz: must we remove from our list or keep tracking? -TPVS... | 11:04 |
sladen | and bootlogd | 11:04 |
mdz | JaneW: I removed the tag in the wiki | 11:04 |
mdz | JaneW: and removed from my list | 11:04 |
thom | USplash also interacts to some extent with InitProcess | 11:05 |
mdz | daniels,sladen: who is going to own it? | 11:05 |
mdz | can we make it happen this time around? | 11:05 |
sladen | usplash as we need it now is somewhat different to the usplash envisioned 9months ago | 11:05 |
mdz | we need a code drop in breezy _very_ early, or it is not going to happen | 11:05 |
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^rob^ | heya all, are there logs anywhere for those of us that were busy? | 11:06 |
sladen | I hope so. users and reviewers are starting to notice the lack of the 'feature' since they can't find much else to fault... | 11:06 |
mdz | ^rob^: we're just finishing up, and yes, in the usual place | 11:06 |
dholbach | ^rob^: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | 11:06 |
^rob^ | thanks | 11:06 |
fabbione | they will be updated in 20 minutes | 11:06 |
amu | i'm happy to help with tests | 11:07 |
fabbione | ^rob^: ^^ | 11:07 |
daniels | mdz: since someone else is doing the code, me owning it seems a bit perverse, but I'm more than happy to second it | 11:07 |
JaneW | dholbach: I hope it's going to complete the log sometime soon, sitting at 10:19... | 11:07 |
JaneW | fabbione: oic thanks | 11:08 |
fabbione | JaneW: they are updated once every hour, but remember that irc logs can be incomplete if the net is not stable | 11:09 |
JaneW | fabbione: don;t say that - I need them! | 11:09 |
pitti | JaneW: I have a complete log, if necessary | 11:09 |
afranke | JaneW: if needed, I record the session | 11:09 |
thom | i think mdz just dropped off the net, btw | 11:09 |
=== Simira too | ||
\sh | JaneW: i have a complete log if u r in need of it :) | 11:10 |
mdz | I'm back | 11:10 |
pitti | ah | 11:10 |
Simira | hehe | 11:10 |
mdz | UniverseSecurity | 11:10 |
pitti | that's an ongoing process. I'll take responsibility for coordination; the real work will be done by astharot, Nafallo, and tseng, I suppose | 11:10 |
ajmitch_ | mdz: tseng & myself | 11:10 |
Nafallo | mdz: I'm on it :-) | 11:10 |
mdz | this is a community/team-building exercise, rather than a development project, right? | 11:10 |
pitti | yes | 11:10 |
mdz | ok | 11:10 |
ogra | yup | 11:10 |
mdz | JaneW: we won't track UniverseSecurity as a feature goal | 11:10 |
dholbach | teams++ :-) | 11:10 |
ajmitch_ | ongoing, neverending hacking :) | 11:11 |
mdz | the last MediumPriority goal is buntu | 11:11 |
mdz | which is Ubuntu for embedded systems | 11:11 |
ogra | happy tester for ipaq here | 11:11 |
zul | i think i can help if i have the time | 11:11 |
infinity | (It's actually two specs in one) | 11:11 |
mdz | it's a large and multifaceted project which needs a dedicated owner | 11:11 |
fabbione | mdz: we might need a specific kernel flavour for that | 11:11 |
daniels | i believe buntu depends on a chunk of xroadmap | 11:11 |
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\sh | .oO(manfred holstein, but he's working for novell right now :() | 11:11 |
mdz | fabbione: possibly, but perhaps not | 11:11 |
ogra | fabbione, and a special bootloader | 11:11 |
infinity | I'm very interested in the teeny-tiny embedded half of the spec, and getting it working on actual embedded CPUs. | 11:12 |
mdz | if no one steps up to fill that role, we probably won't be able to do it for Breezy | 11:12 |
fabbione | mdz: it depends.. we will need to investigate that | 11:12 |
mdz | infinity: can you own it? | 11:12 |
infinity | I'm not sure it's realistic to make that spec a breezy goal. | 11:12 |
zul | er...ill help | 11:12 |
ogra | infinity++ | 11:12 |
infinity | mdz : I'll own the second half of the spec. Find someone else for the first half. :) | 11:12 |
thom | mdz: i think the spec needs a lot more work, tbh | 11:12 |
Nafallo | infinity+ | 11:12 |
infinity | mdz : And, what thom said. | 11:12 |
mdz | infinity: the first half belongs somewhere else; buntu has always been about embedded | 11:12 |
jbailey | I'd be interested in helping flush out the spec a bit more and exploring things like using uclibc. | 11:13 |
mdz | infinity: please move that into a separate spec, and start to flesh out the embedded piece | 11:13 |
sladen | every embedded device needs a specific bootloader+hackery+kernel options. it's probably more about /enabling/ people to do that | 11:13 |
mdz | jbailey: cool | 11:13 |
thom | i'm happy to own it or work with infinity and/or jbailey to fleesh out the spec and drive it | 11:13 |
infinity | thom : I love you. | 11:13 |
ogra | sladen, wise words | 11:13 |
dholbach | oh, how nice :-) | 11:13 |
dholbach | what about FindingPackages? :-) | 11:13 |
infinity | mdz : SO, make that me, thom, and jbailey. :0 | 11:13 |
mdz | infinity: let's get some specific use cases into it, like "I want to run Ubuntu on my Soekris gateway", "I want to run Ubuntu on my Zaurus", etc. | 11:14 |
mdz | and with that, I think we need to adjourn | 11:14 |
mdz | workrave is incredibly upset with me | 11:14 |
pitti | phew | 11:14 |
dholbach | mdz: hahahaha | 11:14 |
dholbach | :-) | 11:14 |
mdz | let's follow up on the list as necessary | 11:14 |
fabbione | mdz: want to change workrave with my wife? :P | 11:14 |
ogra | lol | 11:15 |
Nafallo | fabbione: lol | 11:15 |
ajmitch_ | dholbach: FindingPackages - we all know that's mvo :) | 11:15 |
pitti | fabbione: she'll already be asleep, won't she? | 11:15 |
mdz | for those of you who showed up because you were interestetd in an item we didn't have time to discuss, please mail me | 11:15 |
infinity | We need a workrave extension that tells me to "go back to bed, you damned fool". | 11:15 |
mdz | mdz@ubuntu.com | 11:15 |
fabbione | pitti: she is... | 11:15 |
pitti | dholbach: apt-cache search, kthxbye | 11:15 |
pitti | ;) | 11:15 |
Kamion | will we have a followup meeting about the low priority items, or just punt on those? | 11:15 |
mdz | fabbione: does she know you offered her? ;-) | 11:15 |
ogra | heh | 11:15 |
fabbione | ehehe | 11:15 |
ajmitch_ | pitti: you're not following the CommandLineDisintegration spec there :) | 11:16 |
mdz | Kamion: I don't want to have to get everyone together at once again; it's a big strain | 11:16 |
mdz | maybe we can break it into chunks and have some smaller meetings | 11:16 |
mdz | we 'll see | 11:16 |
=== pitti pats his five open console windows | ||
ogra | fabbione, for a jumping sheep on the desktop | 11:16 |
Kamion | not that I'm incredibly enthusiastic about another marathon meeting, certainly | 11:16 |
mdz | but for now, thanks everyone, and good time-of-day | 11:16 |
\sh | well, last cup of coffee is waiting.. | 11:16 |
fabbione | mdz: thanks | 11:16 |
dholbach | mdz: thank you | 11:16 |
mvo | mdz: thanks! | 11:16 |
thom | mdz: thanks | 11:16 |
pitti | good night everyone then, thanks for the meeting | 11:16 |
whiprush | The Fridge is all set, if anyone is asking. :) | 11:16 |
ogra | mdz, thanks :) | 11:16 |
seb128 | thanks | 11:16 |
amu | mvo: cheers | 11:16 |
\sh | mdz: thx...good moderating i must say | 11:16 |
pitti | whiprush: can someone please enlight me what the fridge is? | 11:17 |
thom | whiprush: i'll have a cold beer, please | 11:17 |
mvo | amu: :) | 11:17 |
dholbach | thom++ :-) | 11:17 |
seb128 | me too!! | 11:17 |
infinity | mdz, JaneW : Will we see some consise notes about how much we signed up for in our moments of madness? | 11:17 |
mvo | beer++ | 11:17 |
ajmitch_ | whiprush: you've got it all up & running? | 11:17 |
Seveas | pitti, it's where you get beer from :) | 11:17 |
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whiprush | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TheFridge | 11:17 |
dholbach | VB!!! :-) | 11:17 |
ogra | yeah | 11:17 |
ajmitch_ | ogra: pass one this way :) | 11:17 |
ogra | heh | 11:17 |
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Nafallo | infinity++ | 11:17 |
=== infinity shakes his head at the VB drinkers.. | ||
pitti | Seveas: I know the English word, but although my fridge certainly has a processor, it certainly doesn't run ubuntu | 11:18 |
\sh | ogra: can u come to kerpen and pass me one pls? ,-) | 11:18 |
dholbach | thom, infinity: come one, it's not that bad, it really isnt | 11:18 |
thom | it really, really is | 11:18 |
Nafallo | pitti: yet ;-) | 11:18 |
ajmitch_ | infinity: at least it's not fosters | 11:18 |
ogra | thom, the image or the beer ` | 11:18 |
ogra | ? | 11:18 |
infinity | ajmitch_ : Or FourX. | 11:18 |
pitti | Nafallo: I tried to insert the CD, but the drive is apparently broken | 11:18 |
daniels | infinity: 'fourex' | 11:18 |
Nafallo | pitti: hehe, usb? :-) | 11:18 |
thom | ogra: beer | 11:19 |
infinity | daniels : Bah, how can there be an accepted spelling of a pronounciation. 'XXXX' then. :) | 11:19 |
pitti | Nafallo: I have the feeling that my fridge is out of date... | 11:19 |
ogra | heh | 11:19 |
Nafallo | pitti: hehe | 11:19 |
\sh | pitti: well..u forgot to update your CM | 11:19 |
pitti | okay guys, good night and sleep well | 11:19 |
infinity | pitti : 'night. | 11:19 |
dholbach | <- dog walk | 11:19 |
fabbione | night | 11:19 |
daniels | mdz, Kamion: thanks | 11:19 |
seb128 | pitti: night :) | 11:19 |
ajmitch_ | night pitti | 11:19 |
fabbione | infinity: /j #ubuntu-kernel | 11:19 |
afranke | night pitti | 11:19 |
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Amaranth | hehe, have any aussies seen the american fosters commercials? | 11:19 |
daniels | infinity: doooooomed (#u-k) | 11:19 |
daniels | Amaranth: no, but I've seen the UK ones | 11:20 |
Amaranth | fosters - australia for beer ;) | 11:20 |
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infinity | daniels : It could be worse, I could have signed up to join the kernel tea--- oh, fuck. | 11:20 |
Amaranth | err, australian | 11:20 |
KaiL | daniels: you are also the one for XorgAutoconf? | 11:20 |
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daniels | KaiL: very much so | 11:20 |
Nafallo | infinity: lol | 11:21 |
daniels | Amaranth: oh yes, I've heard of those. | 11:21 |
nufan | Is the meeeting over then? | 11:21 |
Nafallo | nufan: mais oui :-) | 11:21 |
Amaranth | yeah | 11:21 |
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KaiL | I thought about some preconfig for multi-button-mice.. | 11:21 |
Amaranth | btw, the MenuEditor spec can be solved by someone putting smeg in universe :) | 11:21 |
Nafallo | KaiL: is there a spec for that? :-) | 11:21 |
afranke | Nafallo: Francais ? | 11:21 |
KaiL | Nafallo: no ;) | 11:22 |
nufan | Is add/remove programs going to become useful in Breezy? | 11:22 |
Nafallo | afranke: suedois :-) | 11:22 |
KaiL | and it's also some dirty hack, as there's no way to detect the button number... | 11:22 |
JaneW | damn lagg | 11:22 |
daniels | KaiL: there's been an open bug for months; please add to that (preferably with patches) if you have anything | 11:22 |
JaneW | I missed the end of the meeting | 11:22 |
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daniels | KaiL: but questions are a big no-no. you don't get to ask. | 11:22 |
JaneW | yes I am going to try to tabulate who said they;d do what | 11:22 |
afranke | JaneW: do you wish me to send you the log | 11:22 |
JaneW | yes please | 11:23 |
afranke | okay | 11:23 |
JaneW | I need it because I missed chunks of the live action due to lag | 11:23 |
afranke | guess it's janew@ubuntu.com | 11:23 |
JaneW | followed by firefox crashing | 11:23 |
JaneW | and then open office | 11:23 |
afranke | using Ubuntu ;) ? | 11:23 |
JaneW | something not happy here today | 11:23 |
Nafallo | JaneW: ehm, get an irc-client? ;-) | 11:23 |
JaneW | yes, I changed over recently | 11:23 |
infinity | JaneW : Did you let someone "technical" within 30 feet of your computer recently? | 11:24 |
JaneW | infinity: yes just today as coincidence would have it | 11:24 |
JaneW | *sighe* | 11:24 |
infinity | JaneW : Well, you know who to blame, then. | 11:24 |
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JaneW | but it was Gus! | 11:24 |
afranke | JaneW: log sent :-D | 11:26 |
JaneW | thanks :) | 11:26 |
afranke | your welcome | 11:26 |
Kamion | mdz: hm, we missed MountingHDDFilesystems | 11:26 |
JaneW | afranke: did you send it to janew, the *W* is very important... | 11:27 |
afranke | Kamion: too late, mouahahaAHAHAHA ! | 11:27 |
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Nafallo | :-/ | 11:27 |
afranke | From: Alexandre FRANKE <alexandre.franke@gmail.com>Reply-To: Alexandre FRANKE <alexandre.franke@gmail.com>To: janew@ubuntu.comDate: May 9, 2005 11:25 PMSubject: Meeting log | 11:27 |
Kamion | afranke: erm ... whatever :) | 11:28 |
ajmitch_ | Nafallo: I think it was rolled into network magic, rather than mentioned separately | 11:28 |
afranke | Kamion: anyway, seems that mdz has left | 11:28 |
Nafallo | ajmitch_: that's what I thought. and WPA wasn't mentioned cause of ISPAuth not being discussed? | 11:29 |
Kamion | afranke: he's still in this channel, and he generally reads scrollback. | 11:29 |
sladen | Kamion: funkiness to cope with LDM partition tables/mounting/detection should probably go in there as it'll crope up on newer/"enterprise" w2k machines | 11:29 |
Kamion | afranke: I wasn't expecting him to be around right now | 11:29 |
afranke | Kamion: k | 11:29 |
JaneW | afranke: thanks got it | 11:29 |
afranke | de nada | 11:29 |
Kamion | sladen: please elaborate in the outstanding issues section of the spec | 11:29 |
Kamion | ideally with some clues as to how one deals with LDM from Linux | 11:30 |
sladen | Kamion: yeah, the current documentation is somewhat lacking even if the code has been there for last few years | 11:30 |
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afranke | maybe I should eat someday | 11:31 |
afranke | ;) | 11:31 |
infinity | Alright, well I'm off to go wake up, I guess. I doubt I can get back to bed, as much as I'd like to. :) | 11:31 |
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afranke | bye all, cya soon | 11:32 |
Nafallo | infinity: if you do, you'll dream about the kernel ;-) | 11:32 |
Nafallo | afranke: au revoir :-) | 11:32 |
ggross | bye | 11:32 |
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sivang_away | JaneW: night! | 11:32 |
sivang_away | night all! | 11:32 |
afranke | Nafallo: la prochaine alors | 11:33 |
ogra | night JaneW | 11:33 |
JaneW | I'll finish my table tomorrow, and mail/wiki it then | 11:33 |
ajmitch_ | night JaneW | 11:33 |
Nafallo | JaneW, sivang_away: nighie :-) | 11:33 |
infinity | JaneW : Thanks.. Night. | 11:33 |
JaneW | night all | 11:33 |
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JaneW | thanks for getting up early Aussie folk... | 11:33 |
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Nafallo | hmm, prochaine? | 11:34 |
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JanC | "prochaine" meens "next" | 11:34 |
JanC | *means* | 11:34 |
JanC | :) | 11:34 |
Nafallo | JanC: ahh, thanx :-) | 11:34 |
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KaiL | daniels: I've added some first thoughts to that bug | 11:36 |
JanC | Nafallo : like in "la semaine prochaine" = "next week" :) | 11:38 |
Nafallo | JanC: yepp, grepped that :-) | 11:39 |
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JanC | (french is official second language over here) | 11:40 |
Nafallo | JanC: .ca? :-) | 11:40 |
JanC | .be | 11:41 |
JaneW | bon nuit | 11:41 |
JanC | French is either first or second language for people in Belgium | 11:41 |
Nafallo | JaneW: bon nuit Jane :-) | 11:41 |
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JanC | it's "bonne nuit" | 11:42 |
JanC | the night is female in French :) | 11:42 |
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JanC | in fact, male/female is my worst problem with French :) | 11:43 |
JanC | with French language, not with French people ;-) | 11:44 |
Nafallo | hehe | 11:44 |
\sh | un or une, le or la ;) | 11:44 |
Nafallo | du or de la ;-) | 11:45 |
\sh | du is male ;) | 11:45 |
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Nafallo | \sh: oui (de+le) :-) | 11:46 |
\sh | Nafallo: some things i didn't forget ;) | 11:46 |
\sh | breakfast at the moulin rouge is one of the things ;) | 11:46 |
\sh | and the indian area near gare du nord | 11:47 |
JanC | I've been in Paris only once, when I was 15 or something like that... | 11:48 |
JanC | (school trip) | 11:48 |
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\sh | JanC: i was many times in paris :) and I climbed up the stairs of the tower ;) amazing feeling :) | 11:49 |
JanC | I climbed the tower too | 11:49 |
JanC | we did all the touristic stuff with school | 11:50 |
\sh | but for now....g'night...job's waiting tomorrow morning :) | 11:50 |
Nafallo | \sh: night :-) | 11:50 |
Nafallo | night all! | 11:51 |
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thom | hunger: way to lose half the topic | 11:59 |
hunger | thom: Oh, sorry... that was all my IRC client listed. | 11:59 |
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