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[07:20] 1h40m [07:20] no idea... [07:21] <^rob> ahh [07:21] <^rob> oky, thx [07:22] 19:00, 40 minutes [07:23] 1 hour and 40 minutes [07:23] 19:00 UTC [07:23] we are +2 in EU [07:23] oh wait, UK isn't on GMT just now, oops === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Riddell] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 | Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel === rave [~rave@212-127-146-168.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Kamion] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 UTC | Tue ?? ?? 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel [07:33] (let's be clear) [07:34] Kamion: :-) [07:35] <^rob> Riddell: it should be NEITHER instead of NOT [07:36] "NOT ..., nor ..." is fine [07:37] "NEITHER ... nor ..." (no comma) would also be fine [07:38] <^rob> Kamion: is that requirement of neitehr with nor an American specific thing? [07:39] I don't know. This is the first time I've heard it claimed anywhere. [07:40] the two sentences have different emphases [07:41] not/nor emphasises the first, and the second is basically a parenthetical comment [07:41] neither/nor puts the two on equal footing [07:41] <^rob> Kamion: I lean torward "not #ubuntu OR #ubuntu-devel" === Nowlin [~alex@D40A91EF.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:42] that sounds actively wrong to me [07:42] "neither #ubuntu NOR #ubuntu-devel" === thegreedyturtle [~thegreedy@user-0c93oto.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [07:44] this is a startlingly OT conversation though ;) [07:44] OT? [07:45] How can it be off topic when it's about the /topic? [07:45] ah [07:45] lol === ficusplanet [~brad@n104-117-152-206.tranquility.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dudu [~dudu@84.4.5.52] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dudu [~dudu@84.4.5.52] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-204-245.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mirv [~tajyrink@Mirv.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nufan [~nufan@cpc2-hem14-4-0-cust73.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:12] ^rob: How about: !(#ubuntu-devel || #ubuntu) [08:12] hunger: meaningless to most users [08:12] ^rob: not #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu looks wrong;-) [08:12] thom: Right:-) === KaiL [KaiL@p548F43D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:14] thom: But (not x or y) != not x or y. Well, I am probably too CS-ly for this world. === fabbione sighs [08:14] Has the meeting got underway yet? [08:14] in 45 minutes [08:15] UTC == GMT? [08:15] nufan: yes [08:15] Ta [08:15] nufan: more or less yes [08:15] (without pedanting, anyway) [08:15] nufan: GMT is UTC but with daylight saving or the other way round. [08:16] Wait, so 19:00 UTC is 20:00 GMT? [08:16] no [08:16] GMT = UTC [08:17] (I'm an idiot [08:17] there is no daylight saving [08:17] fabbione: Are you sure? [08:17] hunger: yes [08:17] the difference goes at astronomic level [08:17] yes === ficusplanet [~brad@n104-117-152-206.tranquility.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:17] the difference is between atomic and astronomical time iirc [08:18] thom: I made that claim the last time... and everybody told me that was wrong. [08:19] how bizarre. fabbione and thom are correct, anyway. [08:19] thom: Looks like I normally hang out with idiots;-) [08:19] So... the meeting is an hour late [08:20] When in doubt, right click your gnome clock, go to preferences, and set "Use UTC" =) [08:20] 'cos it's 1900 GMT here. [08:20] nufan: no, it's 1820GMT [08:20] 19:20 ~/work/packages/hoary% date -u [08:20] Mon May 9 18:20:19 UTC 2005 [08:20] nufan: you are more likely to be on BST [08:20] I'm in England [08:20] nufan: then you are on BST, not GMT [08:20] Whatever the hell that means for the time. [08:20] the UK is gmt/utc +1 [08:21] currently [08:21] Is Greenwich even on GMT? =) [08:21] jbailey: nope [08:21] That makes no sense. [08:21] jbailey: at the moment, no :-) [08:21] Sweet. =) [08:21] nufan: surely you must have heard of summer time [08:21] nufan: during the winter, it is. during the summer, we do daylight savings and go forward an hour [08:21] Arg! Somebody should build a flat planet! [08:21] Us brits invented time, so we can do whatever the hell we like with it :P [08:21] we get so spoilt at being in sync with GMT for half the year we forget we're out of sync the rest of the time [08:22] nufan: acutally it was a Scottish Canadian man [08:22] I know about DST [08:22] But I assumed britan was on GMT === afranke [~afranke@dyn-83-157-251-49.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:22] BST => British Summer Time [08:22] hi all [08:22] Hello [08:23] At least we got the timezone confusion covered before the meeting starts;-) [08:23] heh [08:23] So far that was the hot topic for the first 30 min (and min. 60-90) of each IRC meeting I attended. [08:23] still half an hour to wait, huh ? [08:23] The wiki agenda is for Tuesday, whats being discussed today? === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:23] nufan: breezy kickoff [08:23] Neato. [08:24] nufan: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar === WebWiz [~john@cpe-66-24-16-62.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Echylo [~echylo@158-155.246.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rave [~rave@212-127-146-168.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rj_ [~rj@dawnshosting.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ggross [~ggross@ip-62-129-171-170.evc.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-217.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === WebWiz [~john@cpe-66-24-16-62.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joolz [~joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === A1ex [~Alex@so-24458-x0.essex.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dsas [~dean@cpc2-staf1-6-0-cust111.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:35] in which channel was that advert? ;) === tim1 [~timf@dsl-084-058-000-084.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:37] I've just realised the UK isn't running on UTC at the mo :$ whoops === WebWiz [~john@cpe-66-24-16-62.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:37] :) [08:38] guess it's UTC+1 ? [08:38] no [08:39] the UK is on UTC+0100, yes [08:39] starts in 20 min then right? [08:39] either that our i calculated it wrong lol [08:40] in the next meeting announcement, please mention date -u [08:40] :)\ [08:40] http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?UTC/s/0/java for those who are looking for a UTC timer === ik5pvx [bofh@host60-52.pool62211.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [~JaneW@wbs-146-183-53.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Danten [~danten@h200n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === minghua [~minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [~ogra@p5089E705.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jeroen_ [~jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:49] 10 minutes? [08:50] yeah [08:50] encounting... === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:52] hey JanC [08:52] jani === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:52] hey dholbach :) [08:52] hey [08:52] hmm, I need more coffein here. :-) [08:52] good thinking === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Nafallo left early from frenchclass. Grammar sucks ;-). [08:54] <\sh> g'evening gentlemen [08:54] hi === rst [~rfde@213.185.169.141] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:54] hello [08:54] there is a meeting today? [08:54] in ~6 minutes === afranke is French and does like French Grammar:) [08:54] zul: breezy kickoff [08:54] zul stands for ? === zul should read his email more carefully [08:54] as long it is not german grammar, it's allright :p === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:55] oh ok === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mdz] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 UTC | Tue 17 May 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel [08:55] <\sh> i liked french grammar :) easy to accomplish, reading as well easy, but speaking and writing sometimes ;) [08:55] Echylo: there is no real German grammar, it's random ;) [08:55] yeah, German grammar is hard [08:55] haha === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:55] <\sh> KaiL: hahaha [08:55] good morning mdz [08:55] morning [08:55] hey mdz [08:55] the Breezy kickoff meeting will begin in 2 minutes [08:55] :) [08:55] hey [08:55] morning [08:55] g'm mdz [08:55] <\sh> afranke: learn latin and u will your german challenge [08:56] Latin :) [08:56] I actually learned latin a bit [08:56] I did latin for 2 years, didn't helped much [08:56] mdz: dude, your clock's out again [08:56] :) [08:56] help* [08:56] <\sh> Echylo: well...I learned it from my son...after all, it's quite easy ;) [08:56] :) [08:56] <\sh> Echylo: and after that, I understood some of our stupid german grammar ;) [08:56] well it's quite dead, so I don't worry [08:57] not in the courts [08:57] and I don't even try to understand german [08:57] <\sh> Echylo: it will become famouse again ;) wait until papa was in germany ;) [08:57] :) [08:57] <\sh> just joking..no offense :) [08:57] elmo: step time server 82.211.81.145 offset -139.290417 sec === dilinger [dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] morning mdz === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-2-61.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] mdz: shouldn't you switch Tue 17 and Tue 10 in the chan's topic ? [08:58] I sync time to my router, whose clock drift is insane [08:58] afranke: no, CC is tomorrow and TB is one week following [08:58] mdz: oh.. time drift is not /that/ insane? :P [08:58] yeah but I mean 10 comes before 17 [08:58] mdz: i think afranke was suggesting that the CC announce should be first in the topic [08:59] right thom [09:00] *ding* === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-125.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:00] Treenaks: about 12 seconds/hour === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Kamion] : Breezy kickoff 19:00 UTC || Tue 10 May 16:00 UTC Community Council -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda || Tue 17 May 20:00 UTC: Tech Board -- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar || This is NOT #ubuntu, nor #ubuntu-devel [09:00] ok, let's get started [09:00] mdz: we gonna wait a minute for stragglers? [09:00] ok, not [09:00] JaneW: let's see if anyone's missing [09:00] yea, need to get some coke :p [09:00] I know infinity couldn't make it === abarbaccia [~abarbacci@ool-18b8cf07.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jammcq [~jam@pcp09022402pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === amu [~amu@bofh.debian.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:01] <\sh> evening amu :) [09:01] moin [09:01] chmj didn;t make it either [09:01] hey amu [09:01] if you're an Ubuntu developer, please state that you're present [09:01] mdz: here [09:01] here === mvo waves === Treenaks present [09:02] hi jammcq, jay wren formerly from OU here :) [09:02] present === pitti waves [09:02] present [09:02] present === amu waves [09:02] here [09:02] present [09:02] here [09:02] here === seb128 waves too [09:02] hi === fabbione is here [09:02] moo [09:02] fabbione, doko? [09:02] ah, hi fabbione [09:02] mdz :) [09:02] here [09:03] JaneW: did daniels say whether he would be here? [09:03] present [09:03] elmo? [09:03] elmo is here [09:03] mdz: no not specifically === Nafallo is here :-) [09:03] he set his sleep cycle with the intent of being here [09:04] Last I heard from daniels was him going to bed about 6 hours ago. [09:04] Mithrandir: did you make it? [09:04] 13:03 < daniels> seb128: in the morning, need to go to bed now for breezy kickoff meeting [09:04] (UTC+0100) [09:05] He'll probably show up in the middle. === rave [~rave@212-127-146-168.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:05] ok, let's get started then [09:05] the meat of this meeting will be to review the list of Breezy targets, and determine who will work on which features [09:05] we have a long list, so we won't be able to spend much time on any of them [09:05] where is the list? [09:05] they're all specified in the UDU wiki if anyone would like to review [09:06] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals [09:06] no, that page is not valid [09:06] (yet) [09:06] Sorry. [09:06] that's probably what we're adding to here :) [09:06] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs [09:06] that's the list we'll be working from today === infinity [~adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:07] infinity: hey, welcome [09:07] wow, you weren't kidding about it being long [09:07] mdz: please remove GettingInvolvedInUniverse - it was a hands-on--experience BOF [09:07] mdz: no BluetoothSupport? [09:07] grrr [09:07] thom: that must have been missing a tag; I've added it to my local copy [09:07] Amaranth: it was a busy week [09:08] thom, pitti: we had so much fun in the BOF :-) [09:08] seen, pitti is not happy ;) [09:08] dholbach: thanks [09:08] mdz: ah, k [09:08] s/n// [09:08] dholbach: remove BreezyGoal from that page, maybe [09:08] I trimmed the list by hand, but clearly I missed a few non-feature BOFs [09:08] will do [09:08] Kamion: BreezyGoal is meaningless at this point; I'll be going through after the meeting [09:08] figured it might be a bit, yeah [09:08] so, starting from the top [09:08] Kamion: done [09:08] AudioCDBurinng [09:08] seb128 and ogra worked on this spec [09:08] yep [09:08] I've already uploaded serpentine [09:09] BreezyGoal was on all BoFs by default and people forgot to remove it [09:09] I'll take care of it [09:09] and gnomebakert is in already [09:09] -t [09:09] ogra: will you follow up on the remainder of the plan? [09:09] yep [09:09] great === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000ea623639e.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:09] AudioInftrastructure, pitti and fabbione worked on this spec [09:09] AudioInfrastructure, even [09:10] we could get into trouble with dmix, but it's worth a try [09:10] mdz: yes, i already took some tasks inside it (kernel side) [09:10] mdz: but the rest is alsa expert field [09:10] will you jointly own this project for Breezy? === HappyFool [~HappyFool@tedo-ip-nas-1-p274.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:10] yes [09:10] or is there anyone else who would like to get involved? [09:10] mdz: i will take care of the kernel side... [09:10] crimsum === dsas [~dean@cpc2-staf1-6-0-cust111.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:10] crimsun, even [09:10] crimsun [09:10] have you talked with him already? [09:10] sure thing, I'll look at the url [09:10] (sorry, just reattached) [09:11] I wouldn't want to volunteer him for something without his permission ;-) [09:11] ok, take a look, we'll move on meanwhile [09:11] BluetoothSupport [09:11] yep [09:11] thom and pitti worked on the spec [09:12] does it need anything from the kernel side? === pitti has not a single bt device [09:12] thom: does it require both of you? [09:12] i'm happy to take this on; i actually have some bluetooth hardware now :-) [09:12] who would like to help thom with bluetooth? [09:12] I'll make sure kbluetooth gets pacakaged, although I don't think it's in the spec [09:12] especially those of you with appropriate hardware to use for testing [09:12] Q: are we make one person primarily responsible or a first and second? [09:12] thom: is there anything that needs to be done kernel side? [09:12] fabbione: not that i'm aware of [09:12] thom: ok thanks [09:12] JaneW: generally either one or two people take responsibility, depending on the project [09:12] fabbione: the bluetooth drivers are pretty much complete afaik [09:13] i can help testing [09:13] I expect this will not always be the same set of people who worked on the spec [09:13] i can help testing as well - i have a bunch of bluetooth hardware [09:13] JaneW: please make a note of people who volunteer to help with testing and such, even if they can't take responsibility for implementation === tritium [~tritium@12-202-89-11.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:14] thom: can you own bluetooth, or do you feel that you need a second? === \sh could try to contact marcel holtmann, to help out eventually [09:14] <\sh> old working buddy [09:14] mdz: i think i can own it [09:15] thom: ok, for the missing pieces, I'll need for you to create more detailed specs so that we have the option of bounties for them [09:15] mdz: i'll just need lots of testing help; there's an awful lot of hardware to cover [09:15] BrandingForDerivatives [09:15] mdz: noted [09:15] I'm already in progress on the installer side of BFD [09:15] kamion and pitti were the spec leads [09:15] (discussing with upstream; anything I can't do upstream I'll do locally) [09:15] I'd like for the two of you to stay with this one, since there's a lot of context [09:15] I can help a bit where possible, but it's mostly installer related [09:16] of course I'm in [09:16] agreed. I'd prefer not to be sucked into the non-installer side though, if possible [09:16] mdz: belated, sure [09:16] so sounds like a joint project [09:16] mdz: I can help look at that too, since I've done some of it once. [09:16] Edubuntu will be jeff elkner, colin applegate and eric harrison [09:16] Kamion: okay, then I'm responsible for the non-installer side then [09:17] I don't think they were able to attend this meeting [09:17] pitti: nod [09:17] mdz: i've got a SkoleLinux buddy who might like to help with Edubuntu [09:17] ExpandingUniverse, ogra and dholbach? [09:17] yep [09:17] yes === ajmitch_ also [09:17] already working on it ;-) [09:17] jammcq: please send contact details to JaneW [09:17] k === \sh looks interessted ;) [09:18] FormalTestPlans didn't quite make it onto the schedule at UDU [09:18] I'm interested in FTP [09:18] \sh: lets get you to MOTU first (then we can take over universe) [09:18] is anyone interested in the development of formal QA test plans for testing Ubuntu? [09:18] jbailey: ok === Alessio [~Alessio@host137-7.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:18] <\sh> Riddell: aggreed :) [09:18] mdz, amu already has some... [09:18] mdz: sounds fine for me [09:18] amu: didn't you have QA test plans? [09:18] ah ok :-) [09:18] amu: ok, thanks [09:19] dholbach: there was AutomatedTesting as well === HappyFool [~HappyFool@tedo-ip-nas-1-p274.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [09:19] GraphicalInstaller was a discussion/roadmap BOF [09:19] amu, i'll be there to help out [09:19] mdz: AutomatedTesting sounds like a subset of Formal QA [09:19] Is JaneW the secretary or something? :) [09:19] pitti: they are related, but FormalTestPlans is about creating documents that the community can use to participate in formal testing [09:19] pitti: step-by-step test plans [09:19] GraphicalInstaller has one piece left in it [09:20] namely putting the base system onto the live CD [09:20] Amaranth: JaneW is the newest member of the Ubuntu team [09:20] pitti: FormalTestPlans should include user acceptance testing, and such. [09:20] mdz : Count me in on FTP with jbailey. [09:20] ogra: ack [09:20] everyone say hello to JaneW ;-) [09:20] JaneW: you rock! :-) === jbailey hands a drink to JaneW [09:20] hello JaneW [09:20] hello to JaneW ;-) === dsas waves at JaneW === Kamion waves to JaneW [09:20] mdz: Ah. You said to send info to her so I thought she was the meeting secretary. :) [09:20] hi again, JaneW :) [09:20] JaneW: hello JaneW [09:20] "Good morning, miss W!" [09:20] JaneW: hi there :-) [09:20] mdz: not only.. she is also our new kernel name release manager :) === Amaranth waves [09:20] she will be helping us from a project management angle [09:20] hello JaneW [09:20] yeah [09:20] hi JaneW :) [09:20] hi JaneW [09:20] the most mportant with a graphical installer is an easy way to disable it :p [09:21] nogui boot option? [09:21] JaneW: know who we all are yet? ;-) [09:21] KaiL: it doesn't sound like you've read the spec at all [09:21] ogra: are you still interested in working on GraphicalPartitioningTool? [09:21] <\sh> KaiL: server install will fit for you ;) [09:21] mdz, sure [09:21] mdz: me too [09:21] ogra,dholbach: great [09:21] mdz, but dholbach would be a great addition [09:21] mdz: if help is needed there, I'm in too [09:21] I can help there also [09:21] woohoo! :-) === ogra doesnt like c++ [09:22] the more the merrier :-) [09:22] ogra: it's good fun ;) [09:22] LTSPXorgConfiguration is a daniels and jammcq affair [09:22] <\sh> ogra: have a look at redhat installer ;) [09:22] mdz: if accessibility is being considered, I can put my hand up to help make sure that happens. === rave [~rave@212-127-146-168.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === QbiT [fred@80.168.87.219] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:22] For the installer. [09:22] mvo: thanks [09:22] guys, we're not here to discuss the specs; we can do that on the mailing list and in the wiki [09:22] \sh: problem are more laptops, which doesn't like framebuffer and such - but that's OT now [09:22] i can help kernel side if need be [09:22] parted is apparently looking for a new upstream, so you might run into issues there. [09:22] our primary purpose here is to organize who is going to work on which projects === JaneW says I am concentrating, don;t give me drinks! [09:23] TheMuso: best if you work with either me or whoever ends up working on UbuntuExpress for that [09:23] LanguagePackRoadmap -> pitti? [09:23] of course [09:23] pitti: who can work with you on that? [09:23] with carlos' help [09:23] for the Rosetta side [09:24] pitti: I think someone from the distro side should work with you on it, since currently I think you're the only one who is very familiar with the language pack infrastructure [09:24] amu or Riddell would be nice, too, for the Kubuntu parts [09:24] I can do that [09:24] pitti: sure [09:24] indeed, someone else should learn that stuff, too [09:24] JaneW: put Charles down for language packs as well [09:24] ok [09:24] LaunchpadIntegration is next [09:25] is adi still on board? [09:25] pitti: yes [09:25] JaneW: for all of Breezy? [09:25] mdz: I thought so, I heard they wanted to involve her more... [09:25] ok [09:25] I'll check [09:26] seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration [09:26] seb128: can you handle the Ubuntu side, and we'll get someone from Launchpad also? [09:26] no pb [09:26] thanks [09:26] JaneW: we'll need to requisition a launchpad developer from kiko/stevea [09:26] mdz: I can jump on to the languepacks [09:27] Nafallo: sure === daf [daf@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:27] Hey daf [09:27] hi [09:27] hey daf [09:27] did we skip ContentFiltering? [09:27] NFSRoot is part of EarlyUserspace at this point, right jbailey? [09:27] daf: seb128 and daf worked on LaunchpadIntegration [09:27] JaneW: yes, thanks [09:27] dholbach: ah, context, thanks [09:27] mdz: Yup, it's a couple add on scripts, and then some fixes to other existing packages. [09:28] jbailey: is there anything you need kernel side for it+ [09:28] jbailey: that's yours, then [09:28] fabbione: Nothing at all. =) [09:28] fabbione: nothing we don't have already [09:28] jbailey: ok... [09:28] hmm, except the initramfs infrastructure [09:28] which needs kernel-package modifications, I assume [09:28] mdz: i need to be sure.. i saw around 20 references to the kernel outside the kernel roadmap [09:28] Right, those are make-kpkg changes, not actual in-kernel stuff, though. [09:29] jbailey: ok, than i am with you on this [09:29] 'k [09:29] Mithrandir: are you here? [09:29] has anyone phoned daniels, btw? if not, I can [09:29]