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Unfrgivenhey all01:49
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ajmitch_hi01:50
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diamondlo folks01:57
tsenghi.02:00
diamonddoes anyone know what time the community council meeting is going to be at tomorrow? the wiki page ain't saying02:01
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tsengtommorow is the breezy kick off meeting02:01
tsengat 19:00 utc02:01
tsenghttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar02:01
diamondtseng: aye, saw that too02:02
tsengcc is the 10th02:02
tsengalledgedly02:02
diamondwell, today is the 9th here ,-)02:02
tsengoh02:02
Unfrgivenajmitch_: tseng hey mate02:12
Unfrgivenajmitch_: how goes it02:12
tsenghi Unfrgiven02:13
Unfrgivenwhere is the meeting held?02:13
tseng #ubuntu-meeting02:13
Unfrgivenhow are things tseng?02:13
tsenggood thanks02:13
Unfrgiventseng: settled back into normal life?02:14
tsengyes02:14
tsengmostly02:14
Unfrgivengood to hear02:14
Unfrgiveni got back from new zealand last night... trying to settle in again myself02:14
Unfrgiveni see you've been quite busy with mono packaging :)02:14
tsengyes02:15
Unfrgivendo you know whats going on with the mono debugger? i thought 1.1.7 would contain a release02:16
tsengdunno really02:16
tsengi dont do much development on mono yet, im in it for the cool apps02:16
Unfrgivenyeah same... but i'd like to get involved with using it....02:17
tsengim too busy doing php and expect at work02:17
Unfrgivenyou at work?02:17
tsengno, its sunday02:17
tsengbut in general02:17
tsengIm not in a hurry to learn more programming languages02:17
Unfrgivenhehe... didnt realise :) its monday morning here02:18
Unfrgiveni thought you were a c++ developer?02:18
tsenghm no02:18
tsengi only know C++ basics02:18
tsenghrm breezy is going to rock so hard02:19
Unfrgivenyeah... gcc4 is a PITA though02:20
tsengnah02:20
tsengg++ 4 will be02:20
Unfrgivenive got a package failing to build becuase of a kernel include failing to build... grrr02:21
tsengwith the new headers?02:21
tsengwe just got 2.6.11 or someat02:21
tsengup from 2.5.99-pre432402:22
Unfrgiveni havent tried with the 2.6.11 headers yet02:22
Unfrgivenwhen did that go in?02:22
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tsenghm a few days ago02:29
tsengSubject: Accepted linux-kernel-headers 2.6.11.2-0ubuntu4 (source)02:30
tsengDate: Wed,  4 May 2005 20:30:02 +0100 (BST)  (15:30 EDT)02:30
Unfrgiventseng: hmmm ill give that a whirl.02:34
tsengjust an idea02:35
Unfrgivenits a good one. ill give it a shot when i get home from work.02:47
Unfrgivenjust out of interest. do you see any problems with having a breezy pbuilder environment on a debian sid box?02:47
tsengnope02:48
tsengajmitch_ does that02:48
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ajmitch_although X is taking huge amounts of RAM now, which really is annoying03:22
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diamondnite folks04:03
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dholbachmorning05:56
schweebhi hi05:56
dholbachhi schweeb!05:56
schweebwassup05:56
dholbachi'm just waking up :-)05:57
schweebhave we got an updated MOTUTodo for breezy yet?05:57
dholbachnope05:57
schweeb:(05:57
dholbachi think we'll wait for the kickoff meeting later today05:57
schweebcool05:57
dholbachwe'll then hear the exact plan for UniverseCxxTransition05:58
dholbachwhich will be a big target05:58
schweebbeen too busy to upgrade to breezy yet, so haven't really invested much time into looking for stuff to do05:58
schweebcan't really goof around at the new job like I did at the old one05:58
dholbachtomorow, i'll be in the CommunityCouncil meeting and make sure you all get approved for members05:58
schweebawesome05:58
dholbachi can absolutely understand that - i hope you don't beat yourself up for it :-)05:59
dholbachMalone now has a bunch of stuff :-)05:59
schweebhehe05:59
dholbachso there's enough MOTUTodo ;-)06:00
schweebI miss my large, daily apt-get, so I need to go breezy now :)06:00
dholbachMOTUToReview and MOTUNewPackages are quite full as well06:00
dholbachbreezy is particularly fine for me06:00
schweebyea06:00
schweebI figure it was a good idea to wait till a week or so after UdU06:01
schweebcause everyone would come back and destabilize everything cause they're all motivated06:01
dholbachand we should spend time on team structures06:02
dholbach... creating ...06:02
schweebyes06:02
dholbachso it will be easier for new interested people to get in and not just "fix packages" but do something they'd love to do06:02
schweebactually, it'd be nice to get the new laptop before I go breezy06:04
schweebthis one is quickly turning into a hunk of junk06:04
dholbachunfortunately i'll be very busy in the next weeks06:05
schweebthesis?06:05
dholbachbut i'll pop in every now and then06:05
dholbachyes06:05
dholbachi'll "register" it later today, then i'll have 3 months to finish it06:05
schweebheh06:05
dholbachstill one exam left as well, but then i'm finished06:06
schweebI'm done with school for a while :)06:06
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schweeblol06:07
dholbachdo you know why AaronLake is on CommunityCouncilAgenda?06:09
schweebhrm06:09
schweeblemme check06:09
schweebmembership maybe?06:09
dholbachhe's already a MOTU and should be in the keyring as well06:09
schweebright06:09
dholbachso i don't get, what he's doing there06:09
schweebMOTU should imply membership, right06:09
dholbachnope06:09
dholbachmembership (by CC) first, then MOTU approval06:10
schweebI'll ask him tomorrow06:10
schweeb(I work with him)06:10
dholbachand if the key is good, it should go into keyring06:10
dholbachcool06:10
schweebit was probably whiprush's doing06:10
schweebwhat time is the CC meeting?06:11
dholbachi dunno yet :-(((((06:11
schweebnice.06:11
dholbachi asked mako like 10 times06:11
schweebyea, once I get membership, then I can blog about it, and get all fired up again :P06:15
dholbachhaha! ROCK!06:15
dholbacheven more Ubuntu cheerleading! :-)06:15
schweebkinda hard not to Ubuntu cheerlead when whip's around06:16
dholbachabsolutely06:16
schweebhe's like a big, cuddly, Ubuntu/Linux/GNOME cheerleader06:16
dholbachi hope i'll meet all of you soon :-)06:17
schweebcome to Detroit ;)06:17
whiprushI am not cuddly06:17
dholbachhey whiprush!06:17
whiprushhey dholbach06:17
dholbachwhiprush: you ROCK!06:17
whiprushhey did you get sick after udu?06:17
dholbachno, i didnt06:17
whiprushman06:17
whiprushlucky06:17
dholbachyou're alive again?06:17
whiprushyeah06:17
schweebhe's done nothing but sleep for a week06:18
dholbachwhat happened to you?06:18
schweebit truly is his superpower06:18
whiprushgot sick06:18
whiprushbeen messed up all week06:18
dholbach:-/06:19
whiprushI think I'm ok now06:19
dholbachso you're ready for  wiki/MOTUGNOME  now? ;-)06:19
whiprushwell, not now06:20
whiprushin the morning I will06:20
whiprush:)06:20
dholbachdon't worry06:20
whiprushwhew06:21
whiprushI was worried that page would be huge06:21
dholbachbut it will be nice, once we can decide on bigger matters within a team and make things happen06:21
dholbachand not just fix random packages06:21
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dholbachyou said it "sky will be the limit" :-)06:22
whiprushheh06:22
whiprushman06:24
whiprushuniversecandidates keeps getting bigger06:24
dholbachyes, and i guess it's a good time to start new packaging06:25
dholbachwe're not in millions of transitions yet06:25
schweebwhiprush: why is kop on the CC agenda?06:25
dholbachand over the next months those packages have enough time stabilize until release06:25
dholbachi think, i'll dedicate a day to just review packages06:26
dholbachso we make a bit of progress06:26
whiprushhe added himself iirc06:26
schweebthat'd be a good idea for a team... a few MOTUs who are dedicated to reviewing06:26
whiprushI just read up06:26
whiprushI told him, didn't know that motu meant membership06:26
schweebhe should already have it06:27
dholbachwhiprush: i think he was approved by the CC already06:27
whiprushwell he wasn't on the list of members06:27
whiprushk06:27
whiprushwe should take him off then?06:27
dholbachi'll clarify with elmo, but i think he's already in the keyring06:27
schweebhe's already uploading06:27
schweebafaik06:27
dholbachUbuntuMembers is WAY incomplete06:28
schweebso, he's gotta be on it06:28
whiprushah ok06:28
dholbachschweeb: i wouldn't like to be dedicated reviewer guy :-)06:28
schweebheh06:28
dholbachi think it's good if everybody just has a look every now and then06:29
schweebnot necessarily dedicated, but a list of people who are willing to review that people can look at and go to06:29
dholbachwhen we are more MOTUs, it will be no problem any more06:29
schweebyea06:29
dholbachi will write a mail to ubuntu-devel@ and ask the  main  guys to help out a bit06:29
whiprushhmm06:30
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whiprushdude that jdong backport guy lives in our state schweeb06:30
dholbachschweeb: whish one?06:30
schweeb"Evolution becoming unusable"06:30
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BurgundaviaI met jdongson at LFNW06:31
Burgundaviahe is the other backport guy06:31
dholbachschweeb, whiprush: i never saw a single upload from metallikop06:31
whiprushto main?06:31
whiprushI don't think he has06:31
crimsunhe can't up to main06:31
schweebnot to main06:31
dholbach(apart from the ones the MOTUs did)06:31
dholbachhey crimsun, hey Burgundavia :-)06:31
crimsunlo daniel :)06:32
Burgundaviasalut dholbach06:32
Burgundaviaseems sane06:32
Burgundaviawe talked about MOTUgames (which I have been neglecting)06:32
dholbachcrimsun: you already have a xfce team in malone?06:32
crimsundholbach: not yet, just on the wiki06:33
crimsungah, too many passwds06:33
dholbachhttps://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/<yourlogin>/+newteam06:34
dholbachi made one for the gnome team06:34
crimsunthanks!06:34
Burgundaviaogra, you around?06:40
dholbachBurgundavia: it's still 06:40, so i suspect he's still asleep06:41
dholbach:-)06:41
Burgundaviaah06:43
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schweebyou people sleep? :p06:44
dholbachBurgundavia: germany06:44
Burgundaviaah06:46
Burgundaviaok06:46
Burgundaviais quarter to 10 here06:46
Burgundaviapm06:46
dholbachsent the reviewing mail06:47
crimsunok, MOTUXfce created on malone.06:48
dholbachhow is the ID of that account?06:48
crimsun/people/motuxfce06:49
schweebnight guys06:49
dholbachHA, assigned you guys a bug ;-)06:49
dholbachsleep tight, schweeb06:49
dholbachcrimsun: #58406:50
crimsunthanks06:50
dholbachunfortunately   https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/assigned?name=<ID>  seems broken atm :-/06:51
dholbachi'll add it to  MaloneUniverseWishList06:51
crimsunhmm06:52
dholbachwe'll have a meeting with the malone guys presumably next week06:52
BurgundaviaI am probably going to be signing the NDA to help with malone next week06:53
Burgundaviajust fyi06:53
dholbachnda?06:54
Burgundavianon-disclosure agreement06:54
Burgundaviaso I can see all the bugs, and join the mailing list, etc.06:54
Burgundaviaprovided the canonical devs accept me06:54
dholbachoh cool, you got in touch with them?06:54
Burgundaviayes, I was beating my head against a wall about malone06:55
Burgundaviaand I asked about a list of malone bugs06:55
Burgundaviaso I could file them without filing dups06:55
dholbachMaloneUniverseWishList is growing :-)06:55
Burgundaviaand one thing led to another, and that was best solution that we could come up with06:55
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\shmorning07:51
ivoksmorning07:51
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ajmitch_hi all07:51
ivoksanyone interested in porting initng to ubuntu/debian?07:52
dholbachhey \sh, ivoks, ajmitch_07:56
ajmitch_daniel! :)07:57
ivoksdholbach07:57
ajmitch_looks like I have to kill X, up to 600MB mem usage already07:58
ajmitch_something seriously wrong with it, I think :)07:58
ivoksshad0w1e upgrade to ext3 is without loosing data, upgrade to other filesystems needs formating partition07:58
ivoksdamn07:58
\shlooks like that I have enough work for the ubuntu week ;)07:59
dholbach\sh: did you read the backlog?07:59
\shdholbach: no..08:00
\shdholbach: brief me shortly :)08:00
dholbachah ok, we talked about the MOTU work since 05:57 :-)08:00
\shdholbach: oh...at this time i was sleeping ;)08:00
\shdholbach: i read your "cry for help" on -devel ML ;)08:01
ajmitch_dholbach: basically waiting for the kickoff meeting & the c++ transition?08:01
dholbachyeah, plus review action and team forming08:01
ajmitch_and setting up teams..08:01
ajmitch_yeah, I need to get onto reviewing as well08:01
\shdholbach: but pyqt maintainer didn't release any new release, so  I have to prepare my patchset08:01
dholbach\sh: go ahead... i'll do a review day at the end of the week08:02
\shI'm sick and tired of those upstream maintainers08:02
\shdholbach: thx...there is enough in my list :)08:02
dholbach\sh: try to relax... they're humans as well08:02
ajmitch_dholbach: what do you think of having a MOTU review day where a group of us will get together & review?08:03
ajmitch_think it's possible?08:03
crimsunsure, if there's a set day and time08:03
\shdholbach: sure they are...but pyqt is maintained on a commercial basis ;)08:03
ivoksbastrds :)08:03
dholbachajmitch_, crimsun: i think it would be even better if we had different review days :-)08:04
ajmitch_dholbach: sure, but a common, set time might be good08:04
\shhmm..is it possible to put me on the motu wannabe  list even if I'm not a member right now?08:04
dholbachi don't want to push people into jobs, but the more reviewers the merrier :-)08:04
ajmitch_push away ;)08:04
dholbach\sh: tomorrow should be the CC meeting08:05
dholbachalthough we have no time yet08:05
dholbachi will vouch for all of you who did work in the MOTU crew08:05
\shdholbach: apr 10th it's written in the topic08:06
dholbachthanks08:06
ajmitch_if I'm not around in time for the kickoff, speak up for me doing stuff, will you? ;)08:06
dholbachajmitch_: for each topic i will wait 10 seconds and then say "ajmitch is working on it", "ajmitch wanted to take care of it", "ajmitch is upstream maintainer", "ajmitch wanted to do that for ages", right?08:07
dholbach;-)08:07
ivokslol08:07
\sh*lol*08:07
crimsunouch08:07
ivoksand then, in the end, say "ajmitch is god"08:07
whiprushit's gtk's fault, which is maintained by ajmitch.08:08
ivoks:)08:08
dholbachhahaha :-)08:09
ajmitch_dholbach: uh, maybe not quite that enthusiastic, thanks ;)08:11
ajmitch_whiprush: remember, we blame gtk boogs on dholbach now08:11
\shhmmm08:11
dholbachand if there should ever be a broken gnome-{panel,session,...}, blame it on me :-)08:12
\shwil wheaton runs debian08:12
whiprushfile that bug in malone. Who does malone? Who else, ajmitch.08:12
ajmitch_that's why he joined the gnome team :)08:12
\shwe should encourage him with a nice gnome or kde start trek tng theme to switch to ubuntu ;)08:12
ajmitch_hey even I'm not crazy enough to work on malone08:12
\sh"ensign crusher, report to bridge, cpt. shuttleworth is awaiting your report"08:13
ivoksomg :)08:18
\shhehehe08:19
\shi read it on ian murdocks blog now08:19
\shit appears to be a deja vu, might the matrix has been changed or whatever, but in the moment I'm watching star trek tng (season 1-7)08:20
\shand now, I'm reading this, time to blog ;)08:20
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dholbachdunno if you heard it, but CC meeting is on  May 10th, 16:00 UTC08:27
\shoh..tomorrow 18hundread hours08:33
\shthen i have to come early to work08:33
dholbach\sh: if you can't make it, i'll make sure everything's alright for you08:33
\shdholbach: thx..I hope I can make it :) well, at least i will attend a few minutes later08:37
dholbachi'm off to uni - see you later08:42
\shharhar08:43
\shI have it ;)08:43
\shhttp://linux.blogweb.de/archives/14-Ensign-Crusher,-report-to-bridge,-Cpt.-Shuttleworth-is-awaiting-your-report.html08:45
\shjust for the fun of it ;)08:45
dholbach:-)08:47
dholbachbyebye08:47
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dholbachre10:33
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jeldhello all10:36
jeldI have a question about deb building, would this be the right channel to ask?10:36
ograhi all10:41
ograwhiprush !10:41
whiprushhey ogra10:42
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ograwhiprush, hey, do you read ubuntu-users ?10:42
whiprushoccasionally10:42
whiprushwhat's up?10:42
ograyou should10:42
whiprushWell, I /try/10:42
whiprushbut I usually skip over stuff10:42
ogralots of requests for websites like spreadfirefox.com ;)10:42
whiprushoh10:42
whiprushalready on that10:42
whiprush:)10:42
ograi answered some10:42
whiprushI mailed the one guy10:43
ograpointing people to the BOF spec10:43
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whiprushI have been out all week though10:43
whiprushI am now back10:43
whiprushand THE FRIDGE is my priority.10:43
dholbachYES10:43
dholbachGIVE ME THEFRIDGE! :_)10:43
thomGET IN THE FRIDGE10:43
chmjO.o10:43
whiprushfresh from the vegetable drawer10:44
ograsince there are no mail adresses on the udu wiki, someone (you or jdub) should join the duiscussion i think10:44
whiprushI will in a few hours when I get to work.10:44
ograto point out that someone is working on it... and to ancourage them to join forces ;)10:45
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whiprushi was off to a slow start since thom infected everyone with his flu.10:45
ograthom ?10:46
ogranah, that was sladen10:46
ogra(I'm pretty sure)10:46
whiprushi've been told thom was patient zero10:46
ograoh10:46
whiprushsladen was in my room though10:46
thomi'm blaming jdub, personally10:47
whiprushno wonder I almost died10:47
whiprushknow if riddell got sick?10:47
Riddellwhiprush: I've been in bed all week10:49
dholbachoh... poor you :-///10:50
whiprushRiddell: me too.10:50
whiprushI couldn't even go to work.10:50
whiprushcurse you sladen.10:50
whiprushI will ridicule him on my blog for such insolance.10:51
dholbachjordi was pretty sick as well10:51
RiddellI havn't heard much from sladen since he went to Malbourne, I suspect he's been sent to one of those refugee centres for failing to fill in some form10:51
whiprushheh10:51
tfheenhe'll just bike out of Australia back home to the UK10:51
whiprushI am content in blaming him for the plague10:52
whiprushthere was one day where he was in bed the whole day10:52
Riddellthat would be my bed too10:52
dholbachtfheen: haha :-)10:52
whiprushhahah10:52
whiprushyeah10:52
chmjpoor sladen10:53
TreenaksRiddell: sladen was in your bed?10:54
RiddellTreenaks: yes, spreading his germs10:55
ograheh10:55
chmjheh10:57
chmjyou guys, the poor oke was sick also10:57
Unfrgivenwhiprush: hey dude11:05
whiprushhey11:05
dholbachhey Unfrgiven11:05
Unfrgivenhey dholbach11:06
Unfrgivenhow goes it guys11:06
Unfrgivenjust got home from work and then grocery shopping11:06
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whiprushI am headed to work in a minute11:07
Unfrgivenwhiprush: oh i see... well have a nice day :)11:07
whiprushheh11:07
Unfrgivendholbach: what time is it out your way?11:07
whiprushI'll have a monday11:07
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dholbach11:0711:07
Unfrgivenwhiprush: :) well have a nice monday then ;)11:07
dholbachand i'm awake for 6 hours now *yawn a bit*11:08
Unfrgivendholbach: woah... how come?11:08
dholbachi was SO tired yesterday... went to bed at 21:0011:08
dholbachnow i'll prepare some black tea and get cracking on my thesis11:08
Unfrgivendholbach: ah right... yeah im tired as today... havent slept much the last two nites... i want to have an early one tonight but i know it wont happen11:08
dholbach:-)))11:09
Unfrgivendholbach: whats the topic of your thesis? is it for your masters?11:09
dholbachit's not a masters degree, we have different degrees in germany, but yes... i'll finish my studies with it11:09
dholbachUnfrgiven: i work on a server and a library to store user preferences remotely11:10
Unfrgivendholbach: for your thesis?11:12
dholbachyes11:12
Unfrgivendholbach: i meant for your masters?11:12
dholbacherm... i dunno how to answer your question11:13
Unfrgivendholbach: hehe ok let me explain. is your thesis part of study for a degree? a phd?11:13
dholbachyes11:14
dholbachi'm a "diplom-informatiker (fh)" afterwards, if that helps you :-)11:14
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FackamatoHi11:16
FackamatoAnyone noticed that the wiki is kunda buggy?11:16
Fackamatokinda**11:16
dholbachwhat's going wrong?11:17
thomYES11:17
thomthe wiki has always been buggy11:17
Fackamatoheh11:17
Fackamatowell, tried to change my password (just registered), tried two times and got errors both the times11:17
Fackamatothen after a minute or so it had changed itself, forcing me to re-login11:17
Fackamatoand now I tried to add a comment, but I got an error11:18
Unfrgivendholbach: so did the author of the fast-user-switch-applet email you back? with regards to the wierd configure dependency on gdm?11:18
dholbachUnfrgiven: if you have a look at my version of it, some ./configure flags make it happen11:18
Unfrgivendholbach: and yes the "diplom-informatiker" does help me :) sounds like a diploma11:18
dholbachUnfrgiven: yes :-)11:18
Unfrgivendholbach: where can i find your version of it?11:18
Fackamatobah11:19
dholbachi have it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages as well11:19
FackamatoI've made a fool of myself11:19
Fackamatohttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates#bottom11:19
FackamatoD;11:19
dholbachshould be ubuntu.gplan.info/<something>11:19
FackamatoI still don't understand how to just add a universe candidate11:20
FackamatoI should just edit the page?11:20
Fackamato(was looking for a "add application" button)11:21
ograthat would be cool....11:21
Fackamatoso!?11:21
dholbachFackamato: yes, just edit the wiki, that'd be nice11:21
Fackamatoare you serious?11:21
Burgundaviaogra, hey11:21
FackamatoOkay, I'm editing.11:22
ograBurgundavia, ho11:22
FackamatoDon't blame me.11:22
dholbachFackamato: ROCK :-)11:22
Burgundaviaogra, I think I am mostly done with the UbuntuGIS page11:22
ograFackamato, its a wiki ;)11:22
ograBurgundavia, looking at it11:22
Burgundaviado you want to announce the list to somewhere, to generate interest?11:22
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ograheh11:23
ograBurgundavia, yes, i'll do11:23
Burgundaviaok11:23
ograBurgundavia, wow, thats a heap of work you did, really cool !11:24
Burgundavianow we need people who have actually used the programs to come forward and say what is good/bad11:24
Fackamatohm11:25
Fackamatowhat should I type in "status"11:25
Fackamatoand wtf happens if two people edits the wiki at the same time11:25
Burgundaviaour wiki would probably break11:25
Fackamato;)11:26
FackamatoYEAH BABY!11:26
Fackamatocheck it out11:26
Unfrgivenhas the ubuntuMOTU list been created yet?11:26
Fackamatohttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates11:26
dholbachUnfrgiven: nope11:27
Unfrgivendholbach: bummer... :(11:27
dholbachit usually takes some time, so no worry :-)11:27
BurgundaviaI am hoping that malone will include a simple interface like Fackamato is looking for11:28
Fackamato;)11:28
FackamatoAnyone got comments on E-UAE? :P11:28
FackamatoOr don't we have any Amiga users in here ;(11:29
Unfrgivendholbach: i spoke to Mako at UDU about membership for myself and he said that he'd add me. still hasnt happened. anything i can do to quicken the process? is it likely to be discussed at the council meeting?11:30
ograUnfrgiven, if its discussed, this will happen there, yes11:31
Unfrgivenogra: awesome. how are things with you ogra? :)11:31
ografine thanks :)11:32
Unfrgivenogra: has anything happened with the hardware database reporting? i'd mentioned at UDU that i'd like to get involved in its development11:33
ograUnfrgiven, not yet...11:33
ograUnfrgiven, fedora is asking me to help tem, they want the same...11:34
Unfrgivenogra: oh thats good! right?11:34
ogralets see....11:34
ograi'm not a friend of kudzu, discover and whatever else they use11:34
Burgundaviaah11:34
Unfrgivenogra: any idea as to when things are likely to kick off with regards to development?11:35
Burgundaviameeting today to kick off11:35
ogravery soon i guess...11:35
Burgundavia19:00 UTC11:35
ogralets wait what comes tinoght in the kickoff meeting11:35
dholbachUnfrgiven: i'm on the phone brb11:35
ogras/tinoght/tonight11:35
Unfrgivenwhere is the meeting going to be? and what UTC time is it now?11:36
Burgundavia#ubuntu-meeting11:36
Burgundaviashould be about 2 hours11:36
ograUnfrgiven, date -u11:36
BurgundaviaUnfrgiven, where do you live?11:36
thom09:36 UTC currently11:36
Unfrgivendamn... thats like 5 am here :(11:37
UnfrgivenBurgundavia: Sydney, Australia11:38
Burgundaviaah11:38
Lathiatpff11:39
Lathiatits 3am here11:39
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Unfrgivendoes anyone know how i can get irssi to log all channels to separate txt files automatically? i figure ill join the channel and slepp :)11:43
BurgundaviaUnfrgiven, the meeting will be logged11:44
Burgundaviafabbione does it I think11:44
Lathiat. /set autolog on11:47
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dholbachUnfrgiven: i'll attend the member meeting and tell mako11:55
Unfrgivendholbach: thanks12:18
Fackamato\o/12:19
dholbachRichte binfmt-support ein (1.2.4) ...12:37
dholbachupdate-binfmts: warning: /usr/share/binfmts/cli: no executable /usr/bin/cli found, but continuing anyway as you request12:37
dholbachEnabling additional executable binary formats: binfmt-support.12:37
dholbachhrm12:37
ogramono.... ?12:38
dholbachyes12:38
ograshould depend on cli-common...12:39
dholbachno #ubuntu-mono yet? :-)12:40
ograhmm, actually no... dli-common has only the debhelper scripts12:41
ogracli even12:41
ograhey, the mono team is only 3 ppl yet :) what do you expect12:42
dholbachthat's how #ubuntu-motu started ;-)12:42
ograheh.... but there was growth forseeable....12:42
dholbachyou'll have 53973597359753 of users soon :-)12:43
ograi think MOTUMono will take more time12:43
ograthen its time for a channel ;)12:43
dholbachthink big!12:43
ograbut first lets have mono... then the users ;)12:43
dholbachho, monodoc-browser is broken12:44
ograas long as gtk-sharp is blocked you will se no apps12:44
dholbachah ok12:44
dholbachmaybe that's why12:44
dholbachbut i should have never found its way to my harddisk without it12:44
dholbach*HRM*12:45
\shwhat's up now? s/python/mono/?12:45
\shqt-sharp is not stable enough ;)12:45
dholbach\sh: i just tried to install it12:45
ograit shouldnt even have built12:46
ograthere is still a monoi-mint dependency...12:46
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\shthe divitech si server broke this morning12:46
\shthe new one12:46
ograheh12:46
dholbachogra: just installed mono and monodoc-browser12:47
\shand it looks like, that the Changerequest tomorrow morning will be postponed12:47
ograbe happy, so they have work for you and you wont get fired12:47
ogradholbach, hmm, is that arch all ?12:47
dholbachyou should know better than me :-)12:47
\shogra: well...they don't have to fire me12:47
dholbachi just ran apt-get install12:47
ogradholbach, yep, arch all12:48
\shogra: this morning i got a letter from my ex-wife12:48
\shshe wants more money12:48
ograheh, thats why i'm not married yet....12:48
\shand if she doesn't get it until the 30.05. she wants to hire a lawyer12:48
\shso it can be, that I will disappear for a long time ;)12:48
ogra... but if you dont give it your ex, youll give it to the tax office12:49
ogra:)12:49
\shsouth america12:49
\shsome place with no "auslieferungsvertrag"12:49
ograheh12:49
\shbelieve me or not...i'm one of those guys, who are not gay, but in the end, assfucked...sorry for the words12:50
dholbach"for open words - join the MOTU world"12:50
ograheh12:51
dholbachbbl12:59
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chmjanyone know Murray Cumming's irc nick ?02:07
ogramcummings ?02:10
thommurrayc02:10
ograchmj, dholbach knows the exact name... ask him if he's back02:10
chmjok02:10
ograah, yes, what thiom saidd02:10
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ograrather say acer they should sell laptops with non-trampoline-keyboards ;)02:12
thomheh02:12
Treenaksogra: acer keyboards rock!02:14
ogragah02:14
ogranot mine02:14
zulacer hot keys support has been added to 2.6.11.9102:16
Treenakszul: acer hot keys?02:16
zulyeah support for special acer keys on their laptop02:17
Treenakszul: All of my keys work fine..02:17
zulah02:17
ograTreenaks, they only send keycodes, not events...02:18
Treenaksogra: yes.. which is Good02:19
ograso waking up with the sleep button doesnt work...02:19
Treenaksogra: I don't want my volume buttons to automagically work, I want them to send events02:19
Treenaksogra: uh.. keycodes02:19
ograheh02:19
Treenaksogra: stop confusing me!02:19
ogralol02:19
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\shhttp://www.b3ta.com/board/4577623 <- plug barbie02:41
ogra\sh, my GF wants one...02:42
ogra\sh, how is the capacity ?02:42
\shogra: dunno :)02:42
\shogra: just found it on the blog of a friend :)02:43
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ograor Action Team....02:43
\shogra: big jim...yes...thats my youth ;)02:44
ogramine too, but i doubt many people in here will know it02:44
ogra\sh, we are to old :-/02:44
\shogra: correct...time to say goodbye ;)02:45
ograheh, nah, not yet02:45
\shi mean from big jim ;)02:45
ograyeah02:45
\shbye bye big jim ;)02:45
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\shogra: this is better: http://kju.de/weblog/archiv/2005/04/kontrolle02:47
ogra\sh, heh, yeah, i just had all the metal detector love :)02:51
ograi know how they feel02:51
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ograyay, sladen03:40
Treenakshey, it's teh sladen03:40
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tseng|workgood morning motus04:02
zulhey tseng04:03
tseng|worklooks like we'll have beagle tonight04:04
tseng|workafter i fix my (jeffs) retardation04:04
Treenaks\o/04:04
ogratseng|work, runs rocksolid since 1/2h here :)04:04
tseng|workogra rock on04:05
tseng|workfrom the source on archive?04:05
ogratseng|work, but you should drop mono-mint ;)04:05
tseng|workneed to merge the damn build-dep04:05
ografrom the build-dep04:05
tseng|workogra: I need to talk to meebey about a policy for that04:05
tseng|worklike official set of base build-deps for mono04:05
ograhas debian still mint ?04:05
tseng|workyes04:05
ogrammkay...04:05
tseng|workall the stuff we are running now is in experimental04:05
tseng|workunstable has 1.0.504:06
ograah04:06
ograblam crashes for me.... during rss update04:06
tseng|work1.8.0?04:08
tseng|workgot a message?04:08
tseng|workyou can throw a mono --debug in /usr/bin/blam even04:10
ograi'll do...04:13
ograbut it looks similar to the former version....04:13
tseng|workogra any chance for gst-plugins-multiverse?04:16
ogratseng|work, the package looks ok on first sight...04:17
ograhavent compiled it yet04:17
tseng|worki had trouble adding lame04:18
tseng|workill look at that again later04:18
tseng|workso much to do!04:18
tseng|worki wonder if i should make my 2nd work pc breezy04:19
tseng|workyep, im a sucker04:23
tseng|workogra: do you think we should try to move everything to main now, and work things out over 6 months04:26
tseng|workor put in stuff that is good now04:26
thommove everything now04:27
ogralets wait until the kickoff is done tonight....04:27
thomyou can always back out04:27
ograyep04:27
thombut if you want testing, it's best to break people early04:27
tseng|workwell not this minute04:27
tseng|worklike.. this week04:27
ograyep, lets goo04:28
ogra-o04:28
tseng|workrock on.04:28
thombreaking stuff is fun ;-)04:28
ograyeah04:28
tseng|workso far i only break stuff on buildd, not on peoples systems :P04:29
tseng|worki got out of the habit of pbuilder for awhile04:29
tseng|workprobably around the time of fire-testing builds on amd6404:29
tseng|workugh whats up with gtk-sharp ftbfs on amd64? libvte04:31
ograyeah, its broken...04:31
tseng|worksucks04:31
ograelmo is already sorting it out, if i understood correctly a cron script broke04:31
tseng|workhm ok04:31
tseng|workrock on elmo!04:32
\shwhen is the meeting tonight?04:32
ograso vte4 and vte-dev were built04:32
ogra\sh, 21:00 german time04:32
tseng|worki need to go do some real work04:32
ograbah04:32
tseng|workill pop on later.04:32
ograthis is the real work ;)04:32
tseng|workit is, but im not getting paid for it yet04:32
\shogra: ah good time...i will listen to the discussion ;)04:32
ogratseng|work, use lintian and get rid of the warnings, else the gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse look fine04:34
tseng|workrock on04:36
tseng|workill work on getting -lame building04:36
ogragreat04:36
\shwe should update lintian..the checks are sometimes horrible04:38
\shespecially for the migration of .desktop files...cause not all desktop will go (in the moment) to /usr/share/applications04:40
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\shi'll go home...laters04:46
tseng|workouch remind me to add libdbus-cil dep manually to muine05:05
tseng|workor fix cli-common05:05
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ograoh, yeah05:07
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NafalloMithrandir: arrived? :-)05:23
Nafallodooh! that's an automatic Mithrandir :-P05:24
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bddebianHowdy folks06:29
Amaranthhey06:38
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dholbachre07:02
dholbachi think i will highlight "backport" for now and bash random people *grtmbl*07:32
ograheh07:32
Amaranthheh07:32
Amaranthi like the hoary-extras part of it07:33
ogradholbach, anybody special in mind ?07:33
Amaranthdunno why my app went into their universe repo though, it's not in breezy07:33
dholbach#ubuntu-de07:33
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herveheya!07:33
dholbachhey herve07:33
dholbachogra: please say "backports sind bse", kthxbye07:34
dholbachogra: thanks07:34
ograheh07:34
herveles backports, c'est mal (TM)07:35
bddebianHeya herve07:35
dholbachoui, ils me donne les mals  la tte ;-)07:36
ogralol07:36
herveque la tte ? :-)07:37
herveok, let's stop here!07:37
dholbachit was wrong, right? :-)07:38
herveer...07:39
herveyes :-)07:39
dholbachat least my i knew i couldnt trust my french... that's at least something :-)07:40
herveyou need a cultural immersion!07:40
herveso07:42
hervewho feel brave enough to upload some fixup of mine?07:42
dholbachyou're not in the keyring yet?07:43
whiprushtseng: booyah thanks for beagle!07:43
dholbachherve: ^^^07:44
Amaranthbeagle is in now?07:44
ograbut doesnt build yet07:44
Amaranth:/07:44
hervedholbach, last time I tried, it was silently ignored07:44
ograAmaranth, minor stuff07:45
hervedholbach, then tseng tried for me (as I remember) and was told his key was unknown07:45
Amaranth/ubuntu/dists/breezy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch <-hmm07:45
Amaranthperhaps the mirror is updating07:45
dholbachherve: <elmo> dholbach: no, I'll do that in a  bit07:47
dholbachherve: where is the fix? deb.oursours.net?07:48
hervedholbach, I sent him a mail07:48
hervehttp://deb.oursours.net/motu/pending07:48
dholbachherve: both?07:48
dholbachargl... i won't be able to upload 9.4mb07:49
dholbachwon't happen07:49
hervedholbach, who cares about ttf-larabie anyway? :-)07:49
dholbachright07:49
herveI'll upload it when I'm in the keyring07:50
hervethis server has much upload bandwidth07:50
dholbachherve: wow... you're the patch-machine07:55
herve:-p07:56
herveand the cvs patches stealer :-)07:56
dholbachherve: uploaded07:57
herverock!07:57
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hervedholbach, also I have sent all these patches to the BTS08:03
dholbachwow08:04
dholbach!08:04
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hervethat's the least you can expect from me ;-)08:07
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elmoherve: did you mail upload/keyring with your details?08:09
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herveelmo, I mailed you directly as I remember08:11
hervedholbach, rejected for the same reasons as tseng08:11
dholbachherve: it's in main08:12
dholbachthat's why *grmbl*08:12
dholbachi hope they guys approve me for main uploads in the next TB meeting08:12
herve?08:12
hervenever saw that08:12
herveI'll rather ask seb128 then08:12
dholbachyes... that's what i'd do08:13
herveelmo, I mailed your address at canonical, you want me to send another to keyring@... ?08:13
elmono, it's fine08:13
elmoI found it08:13
herveI have a bigger issue now, anyway :)08:13
hervehmm... packages.ubuntu.com say dia is in universe08:15
dholbachapt-cache show dia08:15
herveunless it changed for breezy08:15
ograargl... the kernel build failed because of docbook errors... hrm08:15
dholbachdia-gnome isnt08:15
dholbachi meant "showsrc"08:15
herveogra, and since docs are compiled at the end... your compile failed at 90%? sweet :-)08:15
ograherve, not mine, fabbiones08:16
hervehaggai, the buildds08:16
hervesorry haggai...08:16
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.12/2.6.11.91-1.1/linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.91-1.1_20050509-1551-i386-failed08:16
ograthats a HUGE buildlog08:16
hervethat's a huge package ;-)08:16
thomglad it succeeded on amd64 though ;-)08:16
Amaranthdamn, i really wanted that crack08:17
dholbachthom: the kernel works for you on amd64?08:17
herveit's unreleased kernel guys, I hope you know what you're doing :-)08:17
dholbachthom: if it's the same as on people.u.c/~fabbione, it broke my box every 30m08:17
thomdholbach: oh really? i've not rebooted yet, was just commenting i was glad it'd build08:18
thombuilt08:18
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ogradholbach, oh ?08:18
Amaranthare SSE/SSE2 used on amd64?08:18
ogradholbach, worksforme08:18
dholbachhrmhrmhrm08:18
ograsince some days08:18
dholbachit just "rebooted"08:19
ograhmm08:19
Amaranth"error connecting to "www.oasis-open.org" (Connection timed out)"08:19
dholbach"broke and booted new" would be more appropriate, nothing in the system logs08:19
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lamontogra: is openjade bug (it requires net access)08:19
ogralamont, yep, i know that one...08:20
lamontit's been fixed at least once or twice before (or simillarly identical things)08:21
hervedholbach, hmm... by the way08:22
herveam I offically a motu now? how can I tell?08:22
ograi think i saw this with scrollkeeper and glade packages too.... its easy to fix with a locally provided dtd i think08:22
dholbachherve: you're on wiki/MOTU08:22
ogra:)08:22
herveand I didn't know!08:23
herve:-)08:23
herveI thought I would have a plastic card or something ;-)08:24
ograwe're planning t-shirts :)08:24
dholbachbusiness cards and @ubuntu.com mail adresses as well08:24
herveand a ubuntu tie? :-)08:25
ograargh08:25
Amaranthyour very own ubuntu jet? :)08:25
dholbachbe modest :-)08:25
hervea bicycle?08:26
dholbachbeing a MOTU itself is an honour :-)08:26
Amaranthyour very own ubuntu model plane? :D08:26
dholbacha model rocket! :-)08:26
hervea VIP entry in concerts08:27
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ograbut only the special ones.... ana mouskouri, david hasselhoff :)08:29
ogranana even08:29
dholbachwe should have a t-shirt logo competition and decide in the next motu meeting08:29
dholbachto make the t-shirt-idea finally TAKE OFF :-)08:30
herveogra, don't tell me you know nana mouskouri!08:30
dholbachwho doesnt know her?08:30
herveI tought she was only known in france08:30
ograherve, i'm 35 ....08:30
dholbachand i'm 26, but i still know her :-)08:30
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ograherve, thats what was on tv when i was achild08:30
dholbachnot personally, but ... :-)08:30
herveI thought it was french-only...08:31
dokodholbach: I thought I know your glasses, now I'm sure :-P08:32
dholbachhahahaaaa :-))))08:32
ogralol08:32
dholbachdoko: you rock! :-)08:33
elmodholbach: is there anyone else you're aware of, waiting on me for keys?08:34
hervehmm...08:34
herveI can't remember his name08:35
hervethe motu before me08:35
ogratritium ?08:35
dholbachelmo: how is the status for AaronLake (metallikop)? it was ages ago, but he set himself on the CCAgenda08:35
dholbachtritium will be discussed in tomorrows CC meeting08:35
herveogra, no, he was spanish I think08:35
ograkoke ?08:35
dholbachkoke, Jorge Bernal08:35
herveha yes08:35
elmokoke I did08:35
dholbachhe made it in, even uploaded some packages08:36
herveok08:36
ograi think he was sorted08:36
dholbachif metallikop made it in (and i'm quite sure about it), i remove him from the CCAgenda08:36
elmometallikop is in08:36
Amaranthbreezy meeting is on 30 minutes?08:36
elmo  * [Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:38:07 GMT]  {Added [Upload] } Aaron Lake (work) <alake@mhnd.com>08:36
ograyep08:36
dholbach*shake head in disbelief*08:36
dholbachtomorrow's CC will be LONG08:37
\shre08:37
herveelmo, got you mail, thanks!08:37
dholbachchampagne!08:37
elmodholbach: whine, don't say that08:37
dholbachelmo: i will prepare a list of guys i can absolutely vouch for, so we can maybe speed things up a bit08:37
herveheya \sh!08:37
\shhey herve...how u doing08:38
hervei'm a complete motu now! :-)08:38
=== \sh should go to a dentist
dholbachelmo: and we should have a <needs-to-FINALLY-show-up>-section on the wiki page08:38
\shherve: well done :)08:38
hervethere was someone who seems to have disappear08:39
herveq-funk08:39
dholbachyes08:39
hervehe couldn't get used to being calm? :-)08:39
ogramako asked him to put some more stuff on his wiki page...08:39
hervethat was long ago08:39
ograhe didnt like to or didnt know what....08:39
\shi hope i have finished my how to08:39
hervemaybe the second CC meeting08:39
\shuntil next weekend08:40
herveso he is MIA :-)08:40
=== \sh is shaking is head...pykde coder doesn't release a new rev of the package...preparing to dpatch
\shall engine engaged08:42
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dholbachelmo: unfortunately only 3 people i could move to "another section"08:44
elmodholbach: oh well, thanks for trying08:45
dholbachi could add a MOTU section or something... hrm08:45
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\shhmmm...i should prepare some coffee08:51
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\shjesus this will be an adventure09:00
abarbacciadholbach, hey - i'm here09:01
Amaranthabarbaccia: We're all in the meeting right now. :)09:02
abarbacciaim watching - what fun!09:02
dholbachabarbaccia: we're the guys taking care of the universe component of ubuntu and most of the ubuntu developers start in the MOTU crew09:04
dholbachwiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU has a couple of (incomplete) documents on what we do, how to get there and why it is fun :-)09:05
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ajmitch_hi all :)09:17
dholbachhey ajmitch_09:17
hervehi ajmitch_09:17
ajmitch_dholbach: don't worry, you don't have to volunteer me for too much ;)09:18
dholbachok :-)09:18
crimsunI'm glad I happened to rescreen then ;)09:21
ajmitch_sounds more like the JaneW fanclub in there now ;)09:21
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dholbachhey tseng|work09:35
tritiumHi everyone!09:35
hervehi tritium !09:36
crimsunlo tritium09:36
dholbachtritium: hey michael09:36
=== tritium waves at herve, crimsun, dholbach
ajmitch_tseng|work: you're lucky, they haven't hit mono on the list yet09:36
crimsunbets on how long this kickoff meeting lasts? ;)09:36
dholbach2h30m09:37
ajmitch_crimsun: a long long time - I've got work in 20 minutes :(09:37
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tritium3h09:37
ajmitch_hey bradb09:37
bradbhey ajmitch_09:37
crimsunajmitch_: ouch.09:37
bradbdholbach: 16:00? i thought we said 20:00 :)09:37
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Meeting with Malone crew: 12 May 20:00 UTC
bradbcool :)09:38
=== ajmitch_ checks calendar
ajmitch_ah, I'll be at work then, can still make the meeting :)09:39
bradbheh09:39
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tseng|workhey dudes09:41
whiprushhey tseng|work09:41
tseng|workajmitch_: is mono on a list?09:41
dholbachhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs09:41
tseng|workand where are we?09:42
ajmitch_UDU bofs, kickoff meeting, #ubuntu-meeting09:42
dholbachOEMInstaller09:42
tseng|workin an hour and twenty minutes ill start my long drive home09:42
tseng|workso09:42
ajmitch_currently going through the high priority specs09:42
tseng|workyes09:42
tseng|workmaybe when we get to medium i can ask to move it up09:43
ajmitch_and we've been at it for 40 minutes already :)09:43
tseng|workyes09:43
tseng|worki dont really have time for this09:43
ajmitch_neither do I, I've got to be at work in 15 min09:43
crimsuncheck back in a couple hours; I'm sure we'll still be there and lively09:43
crimsun;)09:43
tseng|workwell ill sit in09:43
ajmitch_but I'll reconnect about 10 min after I leave09:43
ograbradb, we have breezy-kickoff meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, HwdbMaloneIntegration is on the topic list...09:43
tseng|worksomeone ping me and go nuts if i miss mono09:44
tseng|workor something09:44
ajmitch_sure09:44
ogratseng|work, we'll care for yu09:44
ajmitch_we'll just volunteer you for it09:44
ajmitch_it's only assigning people to tasks09:44
tseng|workthanks09:44
tseng|workill hopefulyl still be here09:44
tseng|work(these could be less stressful I imagine)09:45
ajmitch_I delegated dholbach to volunteer me for things if I'm away :)09:45
tseng|worklike09:45
tseng|workbroken up09:45
tseng|work2 or 3 meetings09:45
ajmitch_dude09:45
ajmitch_beagle is broken09:45
tseng|workdude no shit09:45
tseng|work:D09:45
tseng|workill fix it at home09:45
crimsunmono isn't running on my toaster :(09:45
tseng|workjust a build-dep09:46
ajmitch_yeah, looks simple09:46
tseng|workif anyone asks I blame jeff09:46
ajmitch_I could fix now & upload if you want?09:46
tseng|workyou could09:46
tseng|worki have limited access through the firewall09:46
ajmitch_alright09:46
tseng|work(at work)09:46
ograajmitch_, could you wait until gtk-sharp built on amd64 ?09:47
ogramust happen the next minutes09:47
ajmitch_ogra: sure, I'll upload when I'm at work then09:47
ograyeah09:47
crimsun(the amd64 buildds are down until the archive's fixed)09:47
ograits just the mint dependency...09:47
ajmitch_ah09:47
ajmitch_crimsun: what breakage?09:48
crimsunajmitch_: hoary's bash broke cron.daily09:48
Amaranthso that's why everything died...09:48
crimsunyep09:48
ajmitch_lovely09:49
tseng|workits not mint ogra09:49
tseng|workfor beagle anyway09:49
ograoh ?09:49
tseng|workbut mint does need to foad09:49
tseng|workits sqlite on amd 6409:49
tseng|worker09:49
tseng|workon x8609:49
tseng|workmissing build-dep09:49
ograi thought i saw mint ....09:50
tseng|workmaybe09:50
tseng|workbut x86 doesnt use mint09:50
tseng|workwe can fix both09:50
tseng|workwe rock that hard09:50
ajmitch_ok, volunteer me for WirelessNetworkManagement if I'm not back by then - time for me to go09:50
ajmitch_bbiab09:50
dholbachmono team! :-)09:50
ograheh09:50
ograyeah09:50
bradbogra: it's not a 1.0 thing, so i should probably avoid putting much more thought into it for now; having said that, i think we did well capturing thoughts on the subject in Sydney.09:51
=== herve will try its first upload!
tseng|workbbiaf09:51
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ograbradb, hmm, so will it or will it not be a breezy goal ? i guess its up to me to care for the distro side09:52
bradbput it this way: it's not on the list of things for me to have to think about leading up July 1 :) after that, it's hard to predict what we'll want to do next.09:53
ograhmm... then i'll defer it for the distro too...09:54
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ograhmm, or just include the id in the bugtext for a start...09:55
bradbogra: yeah, i think that's a good workaround at first.10:02
ograok10:02
tritiumhey there trulux10:02
truluxhey tritium10:02
tseng|workam i still on?10:13
crimsunyes10:13
crimsun^ tseng|work10:13
herveanyone with a breezy pbuild env?10:23
herveI can't set one up10:23
Nafalloherve: yea.10:24
Nafalloherve: there is an excellent wiki ;-)10:24
Nafalloherve: try with hoary and then dist-upgrade...10:24
hervegood one10:24
dholbachherve: i upgraded a hoary one10:24
Nafallodholbach: you actually have to ;-). breezy fails :-P.10:24
herveha! I'm not mad!10:24
herveI mean... not about this :-)10:25
ajmitch_heh10:27
=== ajmitch_ is back - what did I miss in the meeting?
hervemeeting? oops...10:28
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GheRiverores10:29
dholbachherve: #ubuntu-meeting - breezy kickoff10:29
=== ajmitch_ wants to throw this mouse against the wall or something :)
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hervedholbach, hasn't it started yet?10:43
dholbachit has10:43
hervehow far did they kick it, it the end? :-)10:43
ajmitch_herve: it started about 2 hours ago10:43
dholbach1h43m ago10:44
ajmitch_they're about halfway through the list10:44
Nafalloherve: 15m left :-P10:44
herveI'll read the report, then :-)10:44
dholbachno... it will take longer :-)10:44
Nafallodholbach: ahh, it's allowed to. I thought there would be a second meeting...10:44
hervegood... I can't set up a hoary pbuild either...10:45
Nafalloherve: no? why?10:46
crimsuna hoary pbuilder shouldn't be problematic; where are you hitching?10:46
siretarthey there10:46
crimsunlo siretart10:46
tritiumherve, did you work on dia?10:47
crimsunyep, he did.10:47
hervetritium, just uploaded by seb128 :-))10:47
siretartI see the next CommunityCouncil is going to start tomorrow afternoon, right?10:47
tritiumherve, I saw :)  awesome10:47
crimsunsiretart: yep10:47
hervetritium, and I can even upload by myself now!10:47
siretartcrimsun: I don't think I can make it :(10:47
tritiumherve, yay!10:47
=== bddebian shoves some kernel source ajmitch_ 's way
hervehey! that's really my name in breezy.changes!10:48
=== herve is so proud!
tseng|workrock on dude10:48
ajmitch_bddebian: thank :P10:48
bddebian:)10:49
ajmitch_bddebian: now what use was that?10:49
hervenow I'll watch the build logs with extra care :-)10:49
bddebianajmitch_: Get crackin' ;-P10:49
ajmitch_tseng|work: yeah, I'll do universe security10:49
tseng|workrock on dude10:49
ajmitch_want me to volunteer you too?10:49
tseng|workyes10:49
herveNafallo, "E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'dzhandle restart-pending-instances'10:49
herve"10:49
ograherve !10:49
tseng|workand pitti knows the other 2 dudes10:49
herveogra !10:50
siretartcrimsun: mako has had a look at the MaintainerCandidates the last time. Do they need to reappear tomorrow? This question (from dholbach) left unaswered the last meeting10:50
ajmitch_great10:50
ograherve, applause !!10:50
dholbachherve: remove some crack from /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/.....10:50
Nafallotseng: you to ;-). atleast me :-).10:50
=== herve offers (virtual) champagne!
dholbach:-)10:50
hervedholbach, okay, will clean up10:50
crimsunsiretart: for maintainership they'll need to be at TB. If they've already been approved as members, there's no need unless they wish to.10:50
tseng|worknafallo: no nick -> name association y et10:51
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hervehi koke, my fellow motu colleague :-)10:51
Nafallotseng: Christian Bjlevik, *shakes hands* :-)10:51
kokehi!10:51
kokeshit, I missed the kickoff meeting??10:52
Nafallokoke: ongoing10:52
tritiumsiretart, I plan on being there10:53
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs  <-- koke10:53
dholbach#ubuntu-meeting10:53
=== Nafallo was just about to past ;-)
Nafallothat url...10:53
ograkoke, we are at PDASupport10:53
kokethanks :D10:54
ogra;)10:54
ajmitch_hey koke  :)10:54
siretarttritium: could you excuse me for tomorrow? I still would like to become a member, but I cannot attend tomorrow. Last time, Mako had no objections, but alone, he couldn't approve me10:55
dholbachsiretart: we'll work it out10:56
tritiumsiretart, I'll let them know that you can't attend10:56
siretartdholbach: tritium: thank you both! *hug* :)10:56
dholbach:-)10:57
tritiumsiretart, sure :)10:57
crimsunwelp, we've passed the 2-hr mark =)11:00
\shcrimsum: when u have time tomorrow after coc meeting it would be nice to talk to you about some things with pyqt and pykde11:05
crimsun\sh: sure!11:06
\shi saw u already prepared the actual package for 3.14.1 :) and I made some patches for pykde to work properly with call-by-ref things in kde11:07
crimsungreat11:07
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kokebradb: are u around??11:20
bradbkoke: yes11:20
kokecan I add packages to malone?11:20
kokethere's no pypanel package11:20
bradbkoke: i'll get back to you on that in a few minutes. i have to find out if we've added a way to add packages by-hand yet.11:23
ajmitch_that reminds me, can I be on the MOTU team on malone, please?11:23
dholbachajmitch_: dunno who made it11:24
ajmitch_ogra11:24
kokethx, anyway I think I'm going to fix it before filing the bug ;)11:24
abarbacciahey guys - can ask about things i see wrong with ubuntu and we can find solutions to them11:24
ogra??11:24
abarbacciaor things i would like to help make better11:24
ajmitch_and then if we can see bugs assigned to a team, it'll be all good11:24
ajmitch_ogra: you're listed as team leader11:24
ograah, yes... i'll add you11:25
ajmitch_thanks11:25
ajmitch_might as well add the other MOTUs11:25
ograyep11:25
crimsunthat'd be swell :)11:25
Nafalloogra: I was amazed the other day that there were only two MOTUs :-P11:25
ajmitch_then we can do other teams, like Mono :)11:26
ogra:-P11:26
dholbachabarbaccia: like what?11:26
ajmitch_still working on beagle, btw11:26
ajmitch_just getting the last of the build deps11:26
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herveif there's a motu team on malone, I hope I'm part of it :-)11:26
hervehi ivoks11:26
abarbacciadholbach, well, i would like to see beagle integrated into ubuntu - i think its a really powerful tool that needs to be included - also, firefox crashes when you go to print (dont know if its a firefox bug or an ubuntu issue)11:27
abarbacciaand there is no good media player under gnome packaged with ubuntu11:27
ograabarbaccia, were working on it11:27
dholbachlaunchpad.ubuntu.com/malone is a good start11:27
ajmitch_abarbaccia: beagle will go into main11:27
ivokshi all11:27
abarbacciaajmitch_, that sounds great11:27
ajmitch_all those things are being worked on :)11:27
abarbacciahahaha11:27
herveabarbaccia, rhythmbox?11:27
\shwell...there is no good media player for kde as well...;)11:28
\shkaffeine is broken11:28
ograrhythmbox ?11:28
abarbacciaherve, right now i use amarok because it is SO much better than all the rest - but its annoying because of kde and the font issues and such11:28
\shnoatun is i wont discuss is right now11:28
ivoks\sh amarok11:28
\shivoks: has problems with basic quth icecast streams11:28
abarbaccia\sh, amarok is superior11:28
\shupstream problems11:28
siretarthow long does it take for katie to install an ACCEPTED package into the archive usually?11:28
crimsunsiretart: every 5 minutes11:29
crimsun:0, :5, ...11:29
siretarthm11:29
abarbacciaregardless - i would like to see some decent audio player11:29
abarbacciaand beagle having hte ability to search my thunderbird mail - for some reason it doesn't like it11:29
crimsunsiretart: if you aren't in the keyring, your upload is silently rejected11:29
herveabarbaccia, i think the definition of "decent audio player" is up to everyone11:29
\shabarbaccia: I'm using amarok for my local mp3...but strange thing is, xmms is right now my fav for mp3/ogg live streams11:29
crimsunsiretart: and make sure you uploaded to ubuntu, not debian ;)11:29
=== tritium agrees with herve
siretartcrimsun: I uploaded it to debian (not myself. via sponsor), it got accepted there and got auto synced to ubuntu11:30
\shherve: well...the routines of xmms as a lib and implemented in a real nice env for gnome and kde would be fine...but for this, we need to get rid of arts and esd ;)11:30
abarbaccia\sh, yes-  i m not sure what's out there GTK2 wise but theres gotta be a comaritive replacement to amarok thats not designed for kde11:30
herveha yes, is polyaudio up for breezy?11:30
crimsunsiretart: ah11:30
herveor still too young?11:31
siretartcrimsun: 7 hours ago ;)11:31
crimsunherve: it's being investigated11:31
ograherve, it was unmaintained during horay11:31
ograherve, upstream11:31
hervesad to hear11:31
ograit has found a new maintainer recently11:31
abarbacciaalright - what can i help out on?  like to learn before i try something complicated11:31
crimsunherve: it's one of the options, but dmix is the focus11:31
abarbacciabetter yet - who wants to adopt me11:31
ivokswell... there is special version of rhythmbox11:31
ivokscrimsun i think dmix is better choice11:32
crimsunabarbaccia: we don't really have adopters, since we mentor each other11:32
ivokscrimsun i tried polypaudio and... it lacks support from other11:32
ograabarbaccia, just join the group ;)11:32
herveabarbaccia, you're a two-month kitten? yes, I would adopt you :-)11:32
ivoksgstreamer plugin is rather new... and... it should pass some time11:32
ivoks:)11:32
abarbaccialol - never cute enough...11:33
abarbacciaguess im gonna have to hang out for a bit and learn what's going on - then take it from there11:33
ajmitch_:)11:34
herveogra, new pygtk, still no canvas :-)11:34
ajmitch_yay, beagle built11:34
ograivoks, there are some bad issues with dmix....there are a lot apps that have libesd hardcoded (mainly games) ....11:34
ograajmitch_, yay11:34
abarbacciaajmitch_, are you in control of beagle?11:34
\shabarbaccia: do yourself a favour and run fast, here r some guys who are giving u much trouble if u don't take care ;)11:35
ograherve, but we'll have wobbly windows soon ;) who needs canvas then :)11:35
ajmitch_abarbaccia: nope, we have a mono team though11:35
\shone minute not listening puff there is a new project11:35
herveogra, ours grandmothers? :-)11:35
herves/ours/our11:35
ograabarbaccia, we dont have _real_ personal packages, everything in universe is a team effort11:35
ograherve, heh11:36
ivoksogra yes, but u can configure esd to drop /dev/dsp after 1-2 seconds11:36
kokew00t!: /bin/sh: tar: command not found11:36
ivoksogra and you don't have problem :)11:36
\shdholbach: what do u think about a coding day @ ogra's inn? ,-)11:36
hervekoke, check your PATH... or your filesystem!11:36
abarbacciaogra, i see i see - so the best i can do here is hang out and find something that needs working on?11:36
kokefile-roller is crazy11:36
ajmitch_abarbaccia: so far in the last couple of days, tseng, ogra & now myself have touched beagle :)11:36
ograivoks, anyway, if you want to do it right you have to fix a lot11:36
\shabarbaccia: check malone and take some things11:36
ivoksogra that's true...11:36
abarbacciamalone?11:37
\shhttp://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone11:37
ograabarbaccia, url of our bugtracker (see topic)11:37
herveabarbaccia, when you set up a patch (or better, a prepared source package) reviewers will check and upload it11:37
=== Nafallo goes to read the log and see what he said yes to :-P
\shherve: hehe ;) you forgot "wait"11:38
herve\sh, and fear my will! muhahaha!11:38
herve:-)11:38
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\shherve: "^GYou have packages to review" ;)11:39
=== koke needs some uploader friends :)
crimsunwhat do you need uploaded?11:40
hervekoke, you can't upload yet? now I can :-)11:40
kokeherve: I'm still waiting :(11:40
herveargh!11:40
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ajmitch_ogra: what broke?11:40
hervewe told elmo an hour ago it's ok for you...11:40
kokehttp://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/ : sqlobject & pypanel11:40
ogragtk-sharp built on A M D 64 !!!11:40
ografinally11:40
crimsunwoo11:40
kokethey were hidden from the transition11:40
jabrahey all11:40
dholbach\sh: when's that?11:41
\shdholbach: next month? ;)11:41
dholbachwe'll see :-)11:41
hervenext month? I'm free :-)11:41
\shdholbach: right now i can't afford the trip  ;)11:41
\shok..that's setteled ;)11:41
ajmitch_ogra: yay!11:41
ajmitch_ogra: just setting up my new breezy box for uploads :)11:42
abarbacciaajmitch_, when you are building beagle - see if you can compile it with the mozilla engine and see if it indexes thunderbird mail11:42
ograunlikely11:42
elmokoke: sorry, I really thought I'd done your key.  really done now11:42
\shogra: is it ok with u? ;)11:42
hervehi jabra11:43
ograsure11:43
hervekoke, yeah! gimme five!11:43
jabrabeen working to update my getwifi tool11:43
\shogra: ok.. noted somehow in june meeting at ogra's inn ;)11:43
ivoksuh... i'm so frustrated and angry...11:43
ajmitch_elmo: thanks11:43
ogra\sh, yep11:43
herveivoks?11:44
kokeargh, I almost fucked my second upload11:44
ivoksherve politics...11:44
koke:D11:44
ajmitch_koke: wrong ditro in changelog?11:44
Nafallokoke: ohh. was she pretty? :-)11:44
ivoksherve I'm listening what Carla del Ponte (Haag) said about Croatia and... oh my god...11:45
kokenope, I had binaries built too11:45
ivoksif that's EU... we don't need it11:45
=== ajmitch_ waits for beagle acceptance
ivoksdid u see dashboard on tiger?11:46
\shivoks: whats up?11:46
ivoksgdesklets and superkaramba is much better than that :)11:46
abarbacciaivoks, it seems pretty slick - but how much of it will you actually use?11:46
ivoksabarbaccia man, when running, takes 80% proc :)11:46
ajmitch_ah, looks like I need to reboot to use this USB mouse :)11:46
ivoks\sh with what? politics? :)11:47
ograajmitch_, yeah, breezy love11:47
hervephfew... these are not worth hotbabe! :-)11:47
abarbacciaivoks, what do you mean? the dashboard on Mac Tiger?11:47
ivoksabarbaccia yeah11:47
Nafalloehm? reboot for usb? something is badly broken? ;-)11:47
ajmitch_ogra: worse - windows XP11:47
ograargh11:47
ivoksabarbaccia run top and start dashboard11:47
ajmitch_I'm at work :)11:47
abarbacciaivoks, WOW - that's terrible - what machine were you running11:48
=== ogra shades his eyes
abarbacciaivoks, i don't have a mac11:48
ivoksabarbaccia iMac11:48
ivoksabarbaccia that wasn't my machine11:48
\shok gentlemen, I will go to bed right now...will have a hard day tomorrow11:48
abarbacciaivoks, because one of my profs at school had a G5 w. dual processors all nice - and it run smooth11:48
ivoks\sh sleep tight :)11:48
ajmitch_night \sh11:49
ivoksabarbaccia yes, it runs smooth, but look at proc... other programs don't run smooth :)11:49
abarbacciaivoks, when i finally thought they got something right...11:49
\shg'night11:49
herveI go too11:49
abarbacciaalright guys - im gonna run - i'll be back later to try and figure out this whole "motu" thing11:50
abarbacciagood luck11:50
hervewill have... well, a regular day with lots of chicks :-)11:50
ivoksabarbaccia well... they did something that Linux still didn't :(11:50
hervenight all11:50
ivoksabarbaccia best thing in Tiger is KPI11:50
ivoksabarbaccia they finnaly defined kernel API11:51
ivoksabarbaccia that should linux do too... :(11:51
ajmitch_KPI?11:51
ivokskernel API11:51
ograKey Performance Indicator ? *g*11:51
ivoks:)11:51
ivokshm...11:53
ivokswifi-radar is much better than gnome's network-admin11:53
ograivoks, could my grandma use it ?11:54
ivoksogra yes11:54
kokehttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004376.html <-- I did it!11:54
ajmitch_my grandma used to use DOS, so I guess she could use it :)11:54
=== ogra looks forward to network manager in breezy
ivoksi think wifi-radar should be priority :))11:54
ajmitch_koke: congrats :)11:54
ivoksogra new one?11:55
ajmitch_ogra: yeah, I did a foolish thing & volunteered to help thom with NetworkMagic :)11:55
ograyeah, we have a pypanel11:55
ivoksogra URL?11:55
ograajmitch_, hehe11:55
ajmitch_brb11:55
ivokscouse network-admin sucks11:55
ograivoks, none yet....11:55
tsengbacl11:55
tsengback11:55
ograivoks, the version in ubuntu will rock11:55
ivoksogra ok... python based?11:55
kokeI'm using netapplet atm, but could be better11:55
ograivoks, it will be a tewaked network manager...11:56
ogratweaked even11:56
ivoksok11:56
ivoksprofiles in network-admin don't work11:56
ograjust getting rid of all the suckage11:56
ograthen its a fine tool11:57
ajmitch_back11:58
ivokswe'll see11:58
ajmitch_it needs stablising a bit11:58
ajmitch_I've got a couple of test machines for breezy now, which is good :)11:59
ajmitch_although no amd64, if anyone is willing to donate hardware to me :)11:59
ivoksajmitch_ u are talking about...?12:00
ajmitch_ivoks: general testing, and metwork manager in particular12:00
dholbachgood night12:00
ajmitch_night dholbach12:00
ivoksdholbach night12:00
ivoksguys... can i get some of that network manager? :)12:01
ivoksi could test it with wifi :)12:01

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