[12:00] <Reak> topyli, when i do the steps you just described, firefox won't even start !!
[12:00] <roben> topyli: if taht is what this meant: "ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so libjavaplugin.so"
[12:00] <eob84> mxpxpod, explain it to me again?
[12:00] <djm62> Reak: progress! ;)
[12:00] <Reak> :)
[12:00] <topyli> roben: yes :(
[12:00] <mxpxpod> eob84: wait... when set to 60 Hz in the screen resolution preference, xorg displays fine
[12:00] <roben> topyli: but maybe i removed the wrong file: sudo rm libjavaplugin_oji.so
[12:01] <topyli> Reak: which steps?
[12:01] <topyli> roben: ok, "ls -l" again
[12:01] <Reak> to link the libjavaplugin to the firefox plugins folder
[12:01] <mxpxpod> eob84: strange... I didn't think hz affected that
[12:01] <topyli> Reak: your java probably even isn't in /usr/lib
[12:01] <eob84> mxpxpod, if the refreshrate was higher than it should have been
[12:02] <Reak> topyli, yes it is
[12:02] <eob84> mxpxpod, odd things happen
[12:02] <mxpxpod> eob84: ah, ok
[12:02] <topyli> Reak: oh
[12:02] <mxpxpod> thanks
[12:02] <djm62> Reak: not /usr/java ?
[12:02] <mxpxpod> gotta go
[12:02] <roben> topyli: totalt 0
[12:02] <roben> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 37 2005-05-02 22:47 flashplayer.xpt -> ../../mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt
[12:02] <roben> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 39 2005-05-02 22:47 libflashplayer.so -> ../../mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[12:02] <roben> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 57 2005-05-08 23:57 libjavaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[12:02] <vladster> I get Xlib: extension "GLX" missingon display ":0.0" and ERROR: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[12:02] <projectmayhem> hi everybody
[12:02] <dholmes> I want to install Ubuntu 5.04 on my Compaq Presario R3000 laptop, but the keyboard works with neither the installer nor the installed system. It worked fine in the 4.10 LiveCD. External USB keyboard works fine. Can anybody help me with this?
[12:03] <dholmes> Also, the keyboard works in the bootloader, just stops as soon as the installer starts
[12:03] <topyli> roben: weirdest thing. that's how it works
[12:03] <Reak> djm62, is it supposed to be in /usr/lib/java or just /usr/lib
[12:04] <topyli> Reak: have you built a debian package like we've done for roben here?
[12:04] <jedipottsy> how do i run cedeha in a different win mode?
[12:04] <jedipottsy> ie win2k win98 winme
[12:04] <projectmayhem> i'm having two specific KDE problems... was wondering if anyone can help out. First of all, every time i update with synaptic or apt-get there's a package called "kdelibs-data" that does not seem to want to install....
[12:04] <Reak> topyli, no :(
[12:04] <djm62> Reak: it can be in a few places
[12:04] <Reak> i wasn't here
[12:04] <Reak> djm62, ??
[12:05] <topyli> Reak: please don't take a command here and there. things will get broken
[12:05] <_chavo> jedipottsy, you have to add a section to .transgaming/config for that game
[12:05] <topyli> roben: ok. you have java, but no plugin now
[12:05] <roben> topyli: what does that mean?
[12:06] <kanuha> projectmayhem: go here to fix that problem  http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[12:06] <topyli> roben: just checking the situation. we still need the plugin :)
[12:06] <_chavo> open up the config file in an editor and look at the doom3 section near the end.
[12:06] <projectmayhem> kanuha thx
[12:06] <jedipottsy> ok
[12:06] <roben> topyli: yeah, ok.
[12:06] <kanuha> projectmayhem: it is listed in #kubuntu channel
[12:06] <roben> topyli: you know what to do?
[12:06] <jedipottsy> cos im trying to get city of heroes to install, but the only thing that comes up is the background image, not install windows
[12:07] <projectmayhem> oh wow there's a kubuntu channel? I'm so hopeless :-D
[12:07] <projectmayhem> thanks
[12:07] <_chavo> just copy that part and change it to the name of the city of heroes executable
[12:07] <topyli> roben: so, if you "ls /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7" there will be libjavaplugin_oji.so
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> anyone know of a mac on linux alterantive
[12:08] <qu0te> how do I install fluxbox on Hoary? I looked on the forums but none of it worked for me
[12:08] <topyli> roben: and if /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so is a link to that, it should work
[12:08] <topyli> but it doesn't. that's the game
[12:08] <synd> hybrid_goth: i dont think apple will authorize a dealer that sells macs that dont have OS X
[12:08] <roben> topyli: no. the file or directionary does not exist. it says.
[12:08] <jedipottsy> i typed in cedega /media/cdrom1/setup.exe -win2k
[12:08] <hybrid_goth> qu0te: apt-get install fluxbox
[12:08] <hybrid_goth> or use synaptic
[12:08] <jedipottsy> still nothing
[12:08] <topyli> roben: aha!
[12:08] <roben> topyli: ?
[12:09] <jedipottsy> steams working fine :S
[12:09] <Muffie> apt-cache search mplayer --> Is that correct? Mplayer is not present there???
[12:09] <topyli> roben: what if you "ls /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun"? is there any stuff
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> synd: no there is a program for ppc that runs mac os on linux and is fast for no cpu emulation
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: ubuntu mplayer sucks
[12:09] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Why?
[12:10] <synd> hybrid_goth: ah, okay
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: because of the restircted formats
[12:10] <synd> hybrid_goth: doesnt mac on linux work for you?
[12:10] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, You mean the so called "Totem"?
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: they make it so horidd
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> synd: i dont get the modules bs
[12:11] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, I agree. But Why mplayer is not present in the apt?
[12:11] <roben> topyli: there is "bin lib"
[12:11] <topyli> roben: that's not good
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: it is better to go to mplayerhq.hu and get it... it is in synaptic so idk
[12:11] <roben> topyli: ok.
[12:12] <roben> topyli: is there a lot of work?
[12:12] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Ok, I can do that, but I see no reason why Ubuntu team does not make mplayer available to ports...
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> what do you mean
[12:12] <dockane> mounting with 'utf8' as an option solves my problems with mounting ntfs paritions including german umlaute in file names, may i expect ext2 partitions that already has got files tagged with (invalid coding) will work, too ?
[12:12] <topyli> roben: perhaps java-package saw your old installation and made an upgrade package. it was called "+updates" something
[12:12] <synd> http://www.maconlinux.org/sshots/pic10.jpg
[12:12] <synd> haha how funny is that
[12:12] <qu0te> what's the proper way to use su, I keep on getting authentication failure from su -
[12:12] <roben> topyli: yes, I think that is correct.
[12:13] <shido6> sudo su -
[12:13] <topyli> roben: first of all, you should uninstall it. "apt-get remove --purge sun-j2re1.5"
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> qu0te: sudo su the use *your* passwd
[12:14] <topyli> roben: then get rid of your old installation (reverse the ubuntuguide instructions)
[12:14] <tritium> qu0te: really, you're encouraged to use sudo instead.  e.g., sudo -i
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> synd: that is a funny picture
[12:14] <Muffie> vmware is not available through ports either. I was used to Gentoo's portage. Almost everything is there! Ubuntu its a great distro, Cant see why a lot of software is not present...
[12:14] <qu0te> thanks
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: there is more repos
[12:15] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Where?
[12:15] <tritium> qu0te, see here for more info: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:15] <ThomasWinwood> Something is hogging the processor.
[12:15] <roben> topyli: thank you for your time, you are great! I'm sorry, but I really have to go.
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: ask google
[12:15] <qu0te> is sudo -i supposed to ask for a password?
[12:15] <topyli> roben: then, try and get a clean java installation :)
[12:15] <ThomasWinwood> Ah, bitchx.
[12:15] <roben> topyli: it's night time, and I have to get up early tomorrow.
[12:15] <tritium> qu0te, yes, yours.  read that URL please.
[12:16] <qu0te> ok, thanks for the help
[12:16] <roben> topyli: Ok, thanks, I will.
[12:16] <tritium> no problem
[12:16] <Muffie> hybrid_goth, Do you know if Ubuntu "apt-get" repository is the same of Debian?
[12:16] <tritium> Muffie, no, the repositories are separate, with different packages
[12:16] <hybrid_goth> Muffie: no they are different but some work together like marlitte
[12:16] <hybrid_goth> or w/e it is
[12:17] <Muffie> tritium, Can I set my apt-get to look at Debian packages? Is there some problem with that?
[12:17] <tritium> Muffie, you're advised not to.
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> tritium: but ubuntu does use .deb
[12:17] <Muffie> tritium, Is there a reason for that?
[12:17] <tritium> Why would you want to do that anyway, Muffie?
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> so how is it different
[12:18] <Muffie> tritium, mplayer, vmware, xmame, etc.. I Cant find anything there...
[12:18] <tritium> Muffie, yes, package format is the same.  The same package in debian may have dependencies on different package versions, however, which can lead to big complications.
[12:18] <dooble> has anyone got mythtv working with a PVR250... or with ivtv?
[12:18] <thread> Anyone familliar with ipw2200 and/or encrypted (shared key) wireless networks care to give my issue a stab? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=161762
[12:19] <tritium> Muffie, vmware is commercial, you won't find that.  mplayer is in multiverse
[12:19] <Muffie> tritium, vmware demo was present at Gentoo's portage, as an example...
[12:19] <tritium> Muffie, xmame is also in multiverse.
[12:19] <Muffie> tritium, What is multiverse? (English is not my mother language)
[12:19] <lewwy> hey guys, what repositry contains all the kernels?
[12:19] <tritium> Muffie, one of the ubuntu components.  Hold on, I'll get you a URL.
[12:20] <ThomasWinwood> "Multiverse" as a word refers to the notional space containing all possible universes. It's one of Ubuntu's repositories.
[12:20] <tritium> lewwy, main
[12:20] <lewwy> tritium: so it should already be included in the ubuntu default repositries?
[12:21] <tritium> Muffie, here's a URL about the ubuntu "components", including universe and multiverse
[12:21] <Muffie> ThomasWinwood, So, when you say an application is Multiverse? What do you mean?
[12:21] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> hey darkaudit
[12:21] <lewwy> is that linky for me tritium?
[12:21] <darkaudit> hey hey
[12:21] <ThomasWinwood> Muffie: When we say an application is in multiverse, that means you can download the application from the multiverse repository.
[12:21] <vladster> ok, what I need right now is a crowbar to get this thing working
[12:21] <tritium> lewwy, no, that's for Muffie
[12:22] <Muffie> ThomasWinwood, ok.
[12:22] <lewwy> ah ok
[12:22] <Muffie> tritium, thanks. Im reading the url...
[12:22] <tritium> Muffie, okay.
[12:22] <ubuntu> hey, anyone know how to access NTFS drive with ubuntu liveCD? thanks.
[12:22] <tritium> lewwy, yes, the kernel is included in ubuntu main repositories
[12:23] <^thehatsrule^> use ntfs-captive?
[12:23] <Muffie> just another doubt: What that means: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found
[12:23] <tritium> Muffie, that's a warning, less severe than an error (EE) in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:24] <du3-c3> hi
[12:24] <ubuntu> thanks thehatsrule. how do I access that
[12:24] <tritium> lewwy, what is it you're trying to do?
[12:24] <lewwy> update my kernel
[12:24] <lewwy> im on a i386
[12:24] <Muffie> tritium, thanks again! :)
[12:24] <du3-c3> i m tryin to compile a little application and i get the following error
[12:24] <du3-c3> configure: error: Library requirements (++dfb libxml++-2.6 ) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[12:24] <lewwy> i want to update it to k6 or whatever the AMD kernel is
[12:25] <tritium> lewwy, "sudo aptitude (or apt-get) install linux-k7"
[12:25] <du3-c3> the pkgs r installed and pkgconfig is set right, how could i solve that problem??
[12:25] <tritium> Muffie, of course, buddy :-)
[12:25] <lewwy> anyone know what this error means?
[12:25] <lewwy> (synaptic:8091): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
[12:25] <Muffie> Can I make a quick survey here? I want to know the result of glxgears in FPS for different users with different boards. My 9600XT gives around 2400 FPS... Is that normal?
[12:26] <jordanau> lewwy, do you already have one open? i get something like that if i have one open and try to open a second
[12:26] <du3-c3> 662 frames in 5.0 seconds = 132.400 FPS
[12:26] <du3-c3> 518 frames in 5.0 seconds = 103.600 FPS
[12:26] <du3-c3> 
[12:26] <jordanau> lewwy, wait are you in fluxbox??
[12:26] <lewwy> i am getting 255
[12:26] <vladster> is there a configuration routine for the xserver to get the settings working?
[12:26] <lewwy> no
[12:27] <du3-c3> Muffie, ati onboard
[12:27] <Muffie> du3-c3, and lewwy :  Whats your graphics card?
[12:27] <tritium> vladster, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if you need to try to reconfigure X.org
[12:27] <lewwy> oop actually thanks Muffie you just indirectly reminded me to install the nvidia drivers :P
[12:27] <Trab> heh why dos it say please dont use breezy?
[12:27] <hybrid_goth> is there a ubuntu shortcut to switch between virtual desktops
[12:27] <Muffie> du3-c3, hmmm seems that Direct Rendering is not enabled
[12:27] <Muffie> lewwy, You're welcome! :)
[12:27] <djm62> Trab: breezy is unstable, and unsupported
[12:27] <du3-c3> Muffie, how could i do that?
[12:27] <tritium> lewwy, you definitely want linux-k7, as that will pull in linux-restricted-modules, which you'll need for the nvidia kernel module
[12:27] <lewwy> hehe
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> hybrid_goth: alt+ctrl+arrows
[12:28] <djm62> Trab: people see the minor version numbers, drool, break stuff, and complain
[12:28] <Muffie> du3-c3,  check this out. I was doing this right now: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:28] <lewwy> yeh
[12:28] <tritium> hybrid_goth, in gnome?
[12:28] <lewwy> im getting the kernel now
[12:28] <lewwy> 15%
[12:28] <lewwy> @ 27.2kb/s
[12:28] <lewwy> wow, i swear that faster than winblows
[12:28] <tritium> hybrid_goth, Ctrl-Alt-<left or right arrow> in gnome
[12:28] <lewwy> thats*
[12:28] <hybrid_goth> tritium: xfce
[12:28] <hybrid_goth> ok
[12:28] <hybrid_goth> ty fator_Dee and tritium
[12:28] <Muffie> tritium, apt-get uses only "main" components?
[12:29] <tritium> Muffie, no, it uses any you configure it to use
[12:29] <Trab> djm62 Breezy works fine so far
[12:29] <Muffie> tritium, but by default, only MAIN?
[12:29] <djm62> Trab: then you're lucky...I hope it continues
[12:29] <_chavo> lewwy, the ubuntu servers are pretty fast
[12:29] <tritium> Muffie, by default, it should use main and restricted
[12:29] <goldfish_> Emm just wondering, is there anyway to log keystrokes of users on your system in linux?
[12:29] <Trab> thank you
[12:29] <lewwy> hey i don't suppose anyone here has got a Davicom 10/100 NIC working in ubuntu?
[12:29] <Muffie> tritium, Im editing sources.list right now! :)
[12:30] <tritium> Muffie, good for you :)
[12:30] <Trab> anyone ever get a castlewood orb storage drive to work with ubuntu?
[12:30] <tritium> Muffie, note that universe should be there, but it's commented out.  You'll need to add multiverse by hand.
[12:30] <jedipottsy> hey
[12:30] <jedipottsy> can someone help me
[12:31] <Trab> depends XD
[12:31] <jedipottsy> i installed steam via cedega
[12:31] <Trab> ugh
[12:31] <lewwy> only if you send beer!
[12:31] <tritium> Muffie, you can just append multiverse to the universe lines, and uncomment those lines
[12:31] <jedipottsy> rebooted, and now when i click the icon on the desktop, steam wont load
[12:31] <Trab> heh
[12:31] <Trab> u have to run it via cedega
[12:31] <Trab> open a shell
[12:31] <Trab> type
[12:31] <jedipottsy> how?
[12:31] <Trab> cedega steam
[12:31] <Trab> probably
[12:31] <tritium> Muffie, enjoy.  I'm off to dinner...
[12:31] <jedipottsy> terminal?
[12:31] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: open up a terminal, cd to the steam directory and launch it with 'cedega Steam.exe'
[12:31] <Trab> yes
[12:31] <jedipottsy> ok thnx
[12:32] <Muffie> tritium, thank
[12:32] <djm62> jedipottsy: right-click on the desktop to obtain a terminal from the menu
[12:32] <lewwy> man
[12:32] <lewwy> cedega doesnt work for me
[12:32] <lewwy> no games work, they all screw up
[12:32] <Trab> yeah
[12:32] <Trab> i wish gaming would move to linux
[12:32] <lewwy> some sort of "cedega trial" would really be nice
[12:32] <goldfish_> games launch on my cedega but the resolutions are all borked
[12:32] <sophie_msumu> http://hyp666.free.fr/img/Conneries/La_drogue_sai_mal.jpg
[12:32] <Trab> cedega doesnt even work when i own it legit!
[12:32] <lewwy> yeh
[12:33] <Trab> i got it, installed it, got red alert 2 install, it wont install the expantion back, nor will it play online
[12:33] <lewwy> i "acquired" it
[12:33] <jedipottsy> is there an easy way to find a folders directory? theres no address bar
[12:33] <Trab> its like ok so wats the point?
[12:33] <Trab> lol
[12:33] <lewwy> and now it doesnt work
[12:33] <Trab> lewwy
[12:33] <lewwy> i mean
[12:33] <Trab> lol
[12:33] <djm62> sophie_msumu: schweeet
[12:33] <lewwy> what can i expect
[12:33] <lewwy> but still
[12:33] <Trab> heh
[12:33] <djm62> :D
[12:33] <lewwy> if i could somehow TRIAL it
[12:33] <Trab> i thought freenode had file sharing in here
[12:33] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: It's in the Transgaming folder
[12:33] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: or something like that
[12:33] <Trab> goldfish_ he doesnt have an adress bar to switch to that
[12:34] <jedipottsy> yeah i know, but theres not address bar to let me copy the directory
[12:34] <goldfish_> ah right
[12:34] <goldfish_> sorry :/
[12:34] <Trab> oy jedipottsy u need to fix ur natiulus
[12:34] <lewwy> like, 30day trial or something, cause im not about to throw money at something that could be vapourware as far as i know
[12:34] <jedipottsy> im in gnome, how can i add an address bar
[12:34] <goldfish_> i thought he was in a terminal.
[12:34] <Trab> *rolls eyes*
[12:34] <Trab> jedipottsy
[12:34] <Trab> open terminal
[12:34] <Trab> type
[12:34] <Trab> cd ~
[12:34] <vladster> gee lemony fresh, victory is mine. thanks
[12:34] <Trab> type cd Transgaming_Drive
[12:35] <Trab> actually
[12:35] <Trab> type
[12:35] <jedipottsy> how can i fix natiulus to show address bar?
[12:35] <vladster> now to install ut2k4 and q3 and all the other classic time wasters
[12:35] <Trab> just a sec
[12:35] <qu0te> when I try apt-get install fluxbox, i get this Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package fluxbox
[12:35] <qu0te> do I need to add repositories?
[12:35] <lewwy> hey hows everyone find performance between linux/windows for games?
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> `try synaptic
[12:36] <du3-c3> Muffie, i ve done this.. do i have modprobe it by hand or is it done automatically?
[12:36] <vladster> Now I need a nice wallpaper that does not look brown
[12:36] <Trab> jedipottsy PM me
[12:36] <goldfish_> vladster: www.deviantart.com
[12:36] <lewwy> hurrah!
[12:36] <lewwy> 3 mins till my new kernel!
[12:36] <djm62> vladster: or search for "propaganda" in synaptic
[12:36] <qu0te> how would I got about doing it in Synaptic?
[12:36] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:36] <Muffie> just add fglrx to /etc/modules and restart it.
[12:36] <djm62> vladster: or art.gnome.org
[12:37] <Muffie> du3-c3,  just add fglrx to /etc/modules and restart it.
[12:37] <boredofthesane> how do I get dma to work? I am only burning at 11x
[12:37] <Muffie> du3-c3, and dont forget to change "ati" to "fglrx" inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:37] <goldfish_> boredofthesane: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/yourcddrive
[12:37] <boredofthesane> goldfish_: that fails
[12:37] <du3-c3> ok Muffie thx i m tryin it now (i have even cedega + warcraft..) hope it worx
[12:37] <goldfish_> boredofthesane: what does it say?
[12:37] <shido6> if I have my xbox and i have a audio in from my radeon 9800 card can i play the input out of my speakers in dolby digital surround sound?
[12:37] <shido6> 5.1
[12:37] <shido6> ?
[12:38] <djm62> ?
[12:38] <qu0te> how would I install fluxbox from synaptic?
[12:38] <qu0te> I don't see it there
[12:38] <^thehatsrule^> update first?
[12:38] <goldfish_> qu0te: open a search, put in fluxbox
[12:38] <boredofthesane> goldfish_: msg'ed you it
[12:38] <Muffie> I have edited sources.list to enable universe packages. But Im receiving this message: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://br.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/br.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:38] <vladster> Need something dark
[12:39] <Muffie> Anyone knows what I can Do?
[12:40] <lewwy> hey guys, can i somehow do a warm boot to get back to the boot loader screen so i can switch kernels?
[12:41] <boredofthesane> anyone know how to get dma support working on my cdrom drive?
[12:41] <djm62> lewwy: you probably time out too fast, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:41] <lewwy> hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:41] <jedipottsy> /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: cannot find '/home/jedipottsy/TransGaming_Drive/Program'
[12:41] <djm62> boredofthesane: have you googled it for your particular hardware?
[12:41] <jedipottsy> damn how do i load steam - theres a space in program files
[12:42] <boredofthesane> djm62: can't find anything on google, tried all the ubuntu forums as well
[12:42] <djm62> jedipottsy: press tab
[12:42] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: did you do that from a terminal?
[12:42] <goldfish_> meh
[12:42] <goldfish_> ignore me
[12:42] <IRCMonkey_> can anybody assist me with a modem issue?
[12:42] <djm62> jedipottsy: in general, if you have to type a space, do it like this: "\ " (backslash then space)
[12:43] <jedipottsy> ok
[12:43] <garnel> e17 yay
[12:43] <jedipottsy> ok i pressed enter, and nothing happened
[12:43] <jedipottsy> steam isnt loading
[12:44] <garnel> how can i chane resolution in e17
[12:44] <ryman> is the auto update working for everyone ?
[12:44] <ryman> it took me forever to download 3 out of 18 package =(
[12:44] <IRCMonkey_> Seeking dialup assistance.  Any help is appreciated.
[12:44] <dockane> if a directory already contains files, is it possible to "add-symlink" some files to them from another directory ?
[12:45] <jedipottsy> CEDEGA SUCKZ :@
[12:45] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: it works for me when i run it from a terminal
[12:46] <jedipottsy> cedega -workdir "/home/jedipottsy/.transgaming/c_drive/Program Files/Valve/Steam" "C:/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/Steam.exe"
[12:46] <jedipottsy> goldfish_, nope, steam dont load
[12:46] <IRCMonkey_> goldfish, can you help me or direct me to assistance on setting up a modem?
[12:46] <goldfish_> IRCMonkey_: sorry im on dsl, never used dial-up
[12:46] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: are u running it from a terminal?
[12:47] <djm62> jedipottsy: try a cedega-specific channel maybe?
[12:47] <du3-cc> Muffie, it didnt work..
[12:47] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: #cedega
[12:47] <jedipottsy> jedipottsy@Linux:~$ cedega /home/jedipottsy/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ Files/Valve/Steam/STEAM.exe
[12:47] <jedipottsy> jedipottsy@Linux:~$
[12:47] <cecil> hello all
[12:47] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: you need to cd into the directory
[12:48] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: browse into the directory, using the dcd command
[12:48] <du3-cc> Muffie, is there a way to find whether my ati-card is supported or not?
[12:48] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: then type cedega STEAM.exe
[12:48] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: cd command
[12:48] <cecil> anybody know tcl here?
[12:48] <Muffie> du3-cc, what happened?
[12:48] <Muffie> du3-cc, use glxinfo | grep direct
[12:48] <ubuntu> salut
[12:48] <Muffie> du3-cc, whats the result?
[12:49] <djm62> salaam
[12:49] <du3-cc> Muffie, X doesnt start
[12:49] <djm62> anyone know the AT commands to send an SMS through a GPRS card exposed as a serial interface?
[12:49] <Muffie> use lsmod | grep fglrx
[12:49] <Muffie> du3-cc, what it says?
[12:50] <cecil> hello?
[12:50] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: any joy?
[12:50] <du3-cc> Muffie, nothing it seams there is flgrx modul ..
[12:50] <jedipottsy> nope
[12:50] <jedipottsy> cd to valve folder
[12:50] <jedipottsy> and nothing
[12:50] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: what do you mean nothing?
[12:50] <Muffie> du3-cc, fglrx is not present when you use lsmod | grep fglrx?
[12:50] <du3-cc> no
[12:50] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: did you do 'cedegae STEAM.exe' ?
[12:50] <goldfish_> *cedega
[12:50] <goldfish_> gah my typing sucks tonight.
[12:50] <djm62> just the one cedega ;)
[12:51] <cecil> hello, is anyone there?
[12:51] <du3-cc> Muffie, root@tk333:/proc# modprobe flgrx
[12:51] <du3-cc> FATAL: Module flgrx not found.
[12:51] <IRCMonkey_> Anybody willing to assist me in determining how to recognize a modem?
[12:51] <daniels> du3-cc: it's 'fglrx'
[12:51] <du3-cc> root@tk333:/proc# modprobe fglrx
[12:51] <du3-cc> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[12:51] <jedipottsy> cedega STEAM.exe
[12:51] <IRCMonkey_> Cecil, can I pester you into helping me with a modem issue?
[12:51] <Muffie> du3-cc, did you used sudo apt-get fglrx... (as present in the URL I have sent you?)
[12:51] <jedipottsy> nothing came up
[12:52] <cecil> hello?????
[12:52] <jedipottsy>  cedega STEAM.exejedipottsy@Linux:~/TransGaming_Drive/Program Files/Valve/Steam$
[12:52] <daniels> du3-cc: look at the output of 'dmesg | tail'
[12:52] <du3-cc> Muffie, i did all like described
[12:52] <IRCMonkey_> Cecil, are you willing to take a question about recognizing a modem?
[12:52] <Muffie> du3-cc, so, apt-get failed?
[12:52] <goldfish_> IRCMonkey_: tried looking at ubuntuguide.org ?
[12:52] <cecil> yes, if i can be heard
[12:52] <du3-cc> Muffie, no apt-get worked fine
[12:52] <djm62> I'd like to believe that one dat, hardware will be hardware
[12:52] <du3-cc> [fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 198 MBytes.
[12:52] <du3-cc> [fglrx:firegl_init]  *ERROR* Device not found!
[12:53] <du3-cc> Muffie, i have only 128 mb ram..
[12:53] <IRCMonkey_> goldfish, no, I will go look right now.  Thanks.   Maybe back in a minute
[12:53] <jedipottsy> when i try to run setup from cd i get this
[12:53] <jedipottsy> X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
[12:53] <jedipottsy>   Major opcode of failed request:  2 (X_ChangeWindowAttributes)
[12:53] <jedipottsy>   Resource id in failed request:  0x2e00306
[12:53] <jedipottsy>   Serial number of failed request:  274
[12:53] <jedipottsy>   Current serial number in output stream:  341
[12:53] <du3-cc> Muffie, and the card has 32mb i think
[12:53] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: ok, try in #cedega
[12:53] <jedipottsy> no1 is in there
[12:53] <ryman> I know that we can play windows game on linux. But do I have to have Windows on antoher partition or there is a software that let me install and run .exe game ?
[12:53] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: :/
[12:53] <Muffie> du3-cc, that sould not be a problem. If apt-get worked fine, but modprobe fails... Well. I think my knowledge (almost newbie) is not enough to help you. :(
[12:53] <goldfish_> ryman: u can install it with cedega.
[12:54] <goldfish_> ryman: or wine.
[12:54] <goldfish_> well, cedega for games.
[12:54] <ryman> goldfish_, so I don't need Windows on diff partition ?
[12:54] <goldfish_> ryman: nope.
[12:54] <du3-cc> Muffie, do u think it has anything to do with framebuffer?
[12:54] <mindspore> or you can run windows under linux with win4lin
[12:54] <goldfish_> ryman: cedega makes a fake windows drive
[12:55] <djm62> or write some letters to firms that make linux games praising them, and letters to firms that don't complaining
[12:55] <mindspore> hehe, that's a given
[12:56] <ryman> oh man it isn't free
[12:56] <ryman> thanks for the info goldfish_
[12:56] <Muffie> du3-cc, If apt-get fglrx has ended without any errors, you have added fglrx to /etc/modules, have rebooted and fglrx was not found in lsmod, I dont know what possible went wrong... I dont think framebuffer has something about the error...
[12:56] <ryman> is there any other free one ?
[12:57] <jedipottsy> cvscedega
[12:57] <jedipottsy> cvswine
[12:57] <Jimbob> du3-cc: It shouldn't
[12:57] <goldfish_> ryman: u there?
[12:57] <Jimbob> du3-cc: What kind of card do you have?
[12:58] <du3-cc> Jimbob, ati onboard 32mb i dont kno the name but, i think it has DRI
[12:58] <Jimbob> du3-cc: Run "lspci -v"
[12:58] <du3-cc> Muffie, i cant find fglrx pkg.. where do u find it?
[12:58] <Jimbob> One of those items is your graphics adaptor
[01:00] <du3-cc> Jimbob, ATI Tech. Inc Radeon Compa....
[01:00] <Jimbob> du3-cc: On mine (Radeon X800) it says "0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4a49 (prog-if 00 [VGA] )" followed by a bunch of stuff
[01:00] <jedipottsy> how do u use point2play?
[01:01] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: try the cedega forums
[01:01] <Jimbob> du3-cc: Could you paste the VGA compat controller and display controller items in #flood?
[01:01] <Jimbob> (the whole group surrounding them, that is)
[01:01] <jedipottsy> goldfish_, no1 in there
[01:01] <jedipottsy> goldfish_, i have tried
[01:01] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: the forums
[01:01] <goldfish_> jedipottsy: on the transgaming site
[01:01] <jedipottsy> o
[01:01] <jedipottsy> k
[01:03] <IRCMonkey_> Are pci devices "plug and play" under linux?  If I shut down, install, and restart, will it see my device?
[01:03] <du3-cc> Jimbob, is that what u meant?
[01:03] <Jimbob> yeah
[01:03] <Jimbob> Could you paste the "display controller" group as well (if there is one)
[01:04] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: you mean, if you shut down, plug it in, and switch on?
[01:04] <du3-cc> Jimbob, there is no display-controller group here
[01:04] <IRCMonkey_> djm62, yes, that is what I mean
[01:04] <Jimbob> ok
[01:04] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: if it's a supported modem, yes
[01:04] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: or in general, that will work
[01:05] <IRCMonkey_> OK, I will try.  thanks.
[01:05] <Jimbob> What model number vaio do you have?
[01:05] <du3-cc> Jimbob, pcg- dont kno the rest
[01:06] <IRCMonkey_> djm: winmodems are probably unsupported.  Is this a reasonable assumption?
[01:06] <Jimbob> du3-cc: pc or laptop?
[01:07] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: winmodems are a World of Pain
[01:07] <du3-cc> Jimbob, laptop
[01:07] <jordanau> IRCMonkey_, winmodems depend on software to work. That makes making drivers very difficult. (correct me if I am wrong)
[01:07] <IRCMonkey_> djm: OK, I have several here to choose from.  I will make a different choice.  Thanks
[01:08] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: what jordanau said, plus the interface is proprietary, making writing the extensive software near-impossible
[01:08] <Jimbob> du3-cc: What does /etc/X11/xorg.conf say in the "Device" section (you can paste to #flood)?
[01:08] <jedipottsy> ne1 got the link to the wiki site, explaning how to setup ati drivers?
[01:09] <IRCMonkey_> djm: while I have your ear, can I plug in a slave IDE drive formatted NTFS for windows and recognize it from my primary IDE drive running ubuntu?
[01:09] <djm62> and even if you get it working perfectly it's inferior to a real modem
[01:09] <Muffie> I have edited sources.list to enable universe packages. But Im receiving this message: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://br.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/br.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:09] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: yes, but you can't write to it, only read from it.  NTFS is another secret format and writing could destroy data, so the kernel people aren't risking it yet
[01:10] <jedipottsy> ne1 got the link to the wiki site, explaning how to setup ati drivers?
[01:10] <IRCMonkey_> OK, so I will copy to the primary drive and reformat in some linux file format
[01:11] <djm62> IRCMonkey_: if you want to go all the way immediately...there's no hurry, get comfortable first ;)
[01:11] <LinuxJones_afk> jedipottsy, search the wiki for binary howto
[01:11] <Muffie> hmmm. Maybe an apt-get update would help
[01:11] <IRCMonkey_> Thanks for your help.  I am taking off to reinstall the modem.  Thanks to all.
[01:11] <Jimbob> du3-cc: Can you modprobe the radeon/radeonfb modules?
[01:12] <djm62> it worries me when people are over-enthusiastic
[01:12] <du3-cc> Jimbob, root@tk333:/etc/X11# modprobe radeon
[01:12] <du3-cc> root@tk333:/etc/X11# modprobe radeonfb
[01:12] <du3-cc> root@tk333:/etc/X11#
[01:12] <Jimbob> du3-cc: Groovy, try changing the "fglrx" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to "radeon"
[01:13] <du3-cc> Jimbob, waer radeonfb nich noch besser?
[01:13] <du3-cc> Jimbob, would radeonfb be better?
[01:13] <du3-cc> sry german..
[01:14] <djm62> :-)
[01:14] <Jimbob> du3-cc: well, the fglrx module doesn't appear to support the card you're using
[01:14] <du3-cc> Jimbob, now i have to just restart X right?
[01:15] <Jimbob> correct
[01:15] <Jimbob> get to the login screen and hit CTRL+ALT+Backspace will restart X.
[01:15] <du3-cc> sure
[01:15] <flodine> can some tell me why totem movie player dont got sound?
[01:15] <flodine> am i missing something
[01:16] <djm62> there should be a list of ubuntu-friendly LUGs on the wiki
[01:16] <Jimbob> flodine: Is the volume set above zero in the volume control?
[01:16] <flodine> yes
[01:17] <flodine> i can play music
[01:17] <jordanau> Jimbob, i wish you had been there to tell me that when i was doing some sound troubelshooting a few months back
[01:17] <goldfish_> flodine: Cool :)
[01:17] <flodine> yeah but no sound from my movies
[01:17] <Jimbob> jordanau: Eh, even one of the GNOME devs had problems that were traceable to the volume being off
[01:17] <du3-cc> Jimbob, now i have: 658 frames in 5.0 seconds = 131.600 FPS
[01:17] <du3-cc> 647 frames in 5.0 seconds = 129.400 FPS
[01:17] <du3-cc> 648 frames in 5.0 seconds = 129.600 FPS
[01:17] <du3-cc> 777 frames in 5.0 seconds = 155.400 FPS
[01:17] <Jimbob> :-)
[01:17] <du3-cc> do u think its ok?
[01:18] <jordanau> flodine, any movies?? try different ones
[01:18] <Jimbob> du3-cc: That's faster than your eyeballs work :-)
[01:18] <Jimbob> du3-cc: By about 4x
[01:18] <flodine> i did even the porn
[01:18] <goldfish_> flodine: dvd ?
[01:18] <goldfish_> LOL
[01:18] <flodine> lol
[01:18] <goldfish_> ahahah
[01:18] <flodine> had to go there
[01:18] <jordanau> flodine, so this is a critical problem then
[01:18] <du3-cc> Jimbob, but all this for only ~20fps?
[01:18] <flodine> well totem does play sound
[01:18] <djm62> oh....I can't wait to get my spare memory
[01:19] <flodine> am i missing a file for sound in totem
[01:19] <jordanau> flodine, you need to post a topic on ubuntu forums that says "my porn has no sound"
[01:19] <flodine> lol
[01:19] <goldfish_> HAH
[01:19] <SuperK> hey guys
[01:19] <Jimbob> du3-cc: eh
[01:19] <flodine> lol
[01:19] <djm62> "check if she's being touched in the right place"
[01:19] <flodine> come on now
[01:19] <goldfish_> LOL
[01:19] <jordanau> flodine, are you running totem-xine
[01:19] <flodine> lets get busy
[01:19] <jordanau> djm62, rofl
[01:19] <flodine> yes
[01:20] <SuperK> anyone here use enlightenment on Ubuntu??
[01:20] <du3-cc> Jimbob, ?
[01:20] <jordanau> flodine, are you listening to music?
[01:20] <whappd> How can i change the default system character encoding?
[01:20] <flodine> no
[01:20] <ghostfreeman_> I just had a wonderful idea
[01:20] <jordanau> flodine, have you tried killall esd? (i dont know if that applies to totem or not)
[01:20] <Jimbob> du3-cc: I wasn't aware of what you were starting with -- and the only thing you actually did was change one line in a config file and restart X to get an extra 20fps
[01:21] <ghostfreeman_> erm wrong channel
[01:21] <SuperK> I installed it but no place to select it at log in
[01:21] <Jimbob> du3-cc: That's pretty good :-)
[01:21] <dell500> anyone here know how to convert/play FLAC, OGG, and SHN files?
[01:21] <du3-cc> Jimbob, no all thos installations..
[01:21] <gratuit> dell500: you should be able to play ogg files with xmms
[01:21] <djm62> dell500: what's SHN? flac and ogg should be supported
[01:22] <du3-cc> ok anyway thx Jimbob
[01:22] <Jimbob> du3-cc: np
[01:22] <dell500> SHN is some other format, the dead, phish, widespread, and some others record in this format
[01:22] <dell500> brb
[01:22] <du3-cc> tryin another thing now
[01:22] <djm62> dell500: gstreamer0.8-flac might be needed for flac
[01:22] <jordanau> dell500, flac is in gstreamer-0.8-flac
[01:22] <goldfish_> SuperK: there is some file u have to run but i can't remember the name :/
[01:23] <jordanau> djm62, beat me to it
[01:23] <SuperK> ok, you guys helped alot yesterday so I was hoping someone might know
[01:23] <jordanau> dell500, i misspelled it do what djm62 said
[01:23] <dell500> FLAC isn't supported for some reason
[01:23] <dell500> jordanau, thanks
[01:24] <Jimbob> SuperK: You're using GNOME?
[01:24] <jordanau> dell500, apt-get install flac
[01:24] <jordanau> dell500, it has plugins for xmms etc.
[01:24] <Nalioth> howdy
[01:24] <SuperK> xfce now, I like it better
[01:24] <Jimbob> SuperK: oh
[01:25] <SuperK> just wanted to see if enlightenment was all that and a bowl of grits or not
[01:25] <dell500> jordanau, can't i do apt-get install xmms-flac ??
[01:25] <jordanau> dell500, i dunno try it
[01:26] <djm62> dell500: if the package exists, go ahead
[01:26] <jordanau> dell500, yeah looks like you can (the general flac will have plugins for other players though)
[01:26] <dell500> sweet
[01:26] <djm62> dell500: arson for kde seems to support burning SHN files to CD, so I guess there must be free software support for the format
[01:26] <dell500> ok, what should i have to eat?
[01:26] <goldfish_> Brains.
[01:26] <SuperK> chili dogs
[01:27] <djm62> apt-get install szechuan
[01:27] <dell500> hmmm
[01:27] <jordanau> man food
[01:27] <Fator_Dee> wild boar
[01:27] <dell500> lol
[01:27] <djm62> sanglier
[01:27] <dell500> i know, i want food, but i don't want to make it
[01:27] <dell500> but i'm poor
[01:27] <SuperK> bratwurst
[01:27] <Nalioth> dell500, el salvadorean food
[01:27] <dell500> so it looks like i'm gonna go hungry tonight lol
[01:27] <dell500> lol
[01:27] <SuperK> TOP RAMEN
[01:27] <jordanau> dell500, you should know better to google before asking that kind of question :) j/k
[01:27] <dell500> lol
[01:27] <jordanau> SuperK, ahh ramen
[01:28] <dell500> YES! YMSB
[01:28] <SuperK> brekfast of champions
[01:28] <dell500> flac is so clear too
[01:28] <thread> Anyone familliar with ipw2200 and/or encrypted (shared key) wireless networks care to give my issue a stab? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=161762
[01:28] <jordanau> dell500, does it work now?
[01:28] <goldfish_> flac is HUGE
[01:29] <SuperK> ok, I'm off to see if I can find out howto make enlightenmant work
[01:29] <jordanau> goldfish_, it is better than .wav at least
[01:29] <dell500> yup
[01:29] <dell500> flac is huge, but it's really clear
[01:29] <flodine> how do i check the file for totem
[01:29] <dell500> and listening to yonder moutain on it is sweet!
[01:29] <goldfish_> jordanau: true
[01:29] <dell500> *mountain
[01:29] <jordanau> dell500, i was going to see them and didnt get a chance :(
[01:30] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help
[01:30] <dell500> i'm gonna see 'em at the 'roo
[01:30] <dell500> same with dmb, oar, bela, widespread, and a shit ton of others
[01:30] <dell500> gonna be awesome
[01:30] <shadeofgrey> where is the default installation for mozilla firefox located?
[01:30] <djm62> dell500: http://www.u2shn.com/shnfaq.html that page has a linux shorten download of some kind...
[01:31] <jordanau> dell500, i will see you there :)
[01:31] <dantheman> is enlightenment a separate window manager from gnome? or can the two run together?
[01:31] <dell500> jordanau, sweet!
[01:31] <dell500> i'm goin with my gf and we're gonna camp and smoke smoke smoke smoke :)
[01:31] <djm62> dantheman: enlightenment can run with gnome
[01:31] <dantheman> how well do they work together?
[01:31] <shadeofgrey> and what is the ubuntu equivelant to adobe indesign?
[01:31] <djm62> dantheman: and indeed used to be the default
[01:32] <djm62> shadeofgrey: what exactly does indesign do?
[01:32] <jordanau> dantheman, i think it requires it doesnt t
[01:32] <dantheman> i have no idea
[01:32] <dantheman> i like to do random things to my new ubuntu machine when i'm bored
[01:32] <dantheman> so i search out things to do to it
[01:32] <shadeofgrey> djm:  its like quark - its a full page creation program for documents that interlace with visual elements...  you would use it to create pages for major publications like magazines
[01:32] <djm62> dantheman: we have esd, the Enlightened Sound Daemon, because enlightenment used to be the gnome window manager
[01:33] <dantheman> alright
[01:33] <djm62> shadeofgrey: I don't know how good a replacement it is, but I've read good reviews of scribus
[01:33] <djm62> shadeofgrey: inkscape is a nice vector illustration program, which would probably complement it
[01:34] <Eighth> ubuntu's install is telling me that some modules for my hardware aren't available yet...
[01:34] <Nalioth> shadeofgrey, i agree inkscape and scribus
[01:34] <shadeofgrey> i really need to know the path for moZilla
[01:34] <djm62> shadeofgrey: all of these are from my perspective as a non-professional...look before you leap
[01:34] <lewwy> hey guys, has anyone here got wine to work with baldur's gate 2 or soldat?
[01:34] <Nalioth> shadeofgrey, "locate firefox"
[01:34] <djm62> shadeofgrey: type "which mozilla-firefox"
[01:34] <shadeofgrey> im in the middle of the flash player installation
[01:35] <djm62> shadeofgrey: on my machine, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[01:36] <jordanau> shadeofgrey, dpkg -L mozilla-firefox
[01:37] <djm62> vi is a symlink to ed, emacs is a symlink to rm -Rf /
[01:37] <goldfish_> eh....
[01:37] <goldfish_> don't say that :)
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> okay - so wait
[01:37] <Nalioth> djm62, now don't start that up
[01:37] <goldfish_> djm62: someone said that in here last week, and someone ran it.
[01:37] <goldfish_> he deleted everything.
[01:37] <goldfish_> not funny :)
[01:37] <djm62> I stated no preference...just saying it's dangerous to assume someone's machine is like yours
[01:37] <goldfish_> kk
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> i gave it the path like this : /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox -- but it thought those directories were inside the dir containing the flash installer
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> whats the equivelant to expressing c:\directory\directory
[01:38] <djm62> shadeofgrey: did you definitely put the initial / in?
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> yes
[01:38] <djm62> shadeofgrey: the initial / is the root of your filesystem
[01:38] <jordanau> " /directory/directory
[01:38] <ThomasWinwood> Maybe you need a final / ?
[01:39] <jordanau> ignore the quote it tryed to run an xchat command
[01:39] <ThomasWinwood> e.g. /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox/
[01:39] <ThomasWinwood> jordanau: Ctrl-J usually overrides that.
[01:39] <ThomasWinwood> It forces sending a PRIVMSG command to the server.
[01:39] <lewwy> hmm, does anyone know how to setup wine properly?  I'm trying to play soldat on my wine machine but its not working
[01:39] <ThomasWinwood> Example:
[01:39] <ThomasWinwood> /quit
[01:39] <jordanau> ThomasWinwood, what do you mean
[01:40] <jordanau> when do you press cntrl-j?
[01:40] <ThomasWinwood> Type the message, then do Ctrl-J. Or do /say whatever
[01:40] <nubious> hoy hoy
[01:40] <ThomasWinwood> Ctrl-J worked in mIRC... useful little addition.
[01:40] <jordanau> not working for me in xchat
[01:40] <ThomasWinwood> Nor I.
[01:40] <nubious> Ctrl-J's not working for me in mIRC either
[01:40] <nubious> FYI
[01:40] <jordanau> dell500, congrats
[01:40] <ThomasWinwood> Weird, nubious. It worked for me back when I was a Winn00b XP.
[01:41] <nubious> hrm
[01:41] <tiefox> does ubuntu have graphical boot splash ?
[01:41] <nubious> I'm on my windows box right now
[01:41] <nubious> tiefox: yes it does.
[01:41] <digitalfox|afk> it does?
[01:41] <djm62> shadeofgrey: have you tried apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[01:41] <nubious> oh
[01:41] <nubious> wait
[01:41] <nubious> splash
[01:41] <nubious> sry - thought login
[01:41] <digitalfox|afk> nubious, it doesn't
[01:41] <digitalfox|afk> not yet
[01:41] <digitalfox|afk> I think that's one of the planned additions
[01:41] <tiefox> mine does not :(
[01:41] <djm62> tiefox: not in this iteration...
[01:41] <digitalfox|afk> tiefox, it will in the next release
[01:41] <tiefox> ok...thx
[01:41] <djm62> tiefox: it's hard to do compatibly for everyone
[01:42] <tiefox> got it..
[01:42] <djm62> (and not really a priority, although I think it has a lot of psychological importance)
[01:42] <nubious> Can anyone help me with running some commands at boot with the sudo command?  From what I understand it runs everything your startup scripts as root, and the server I wanna startup doesn't like being run as root, so I'm wondering how I sudo to my account and have it run from there.
[01:42] <tiefox> ubuntu is great...i was using slackware ....
[01:44] <matara> hmm
[01:44] <djm62> ubuntu is great all round...anyone that sends me a free CD and puts naked people on the desktop is ok in my book
[01:45] <lewwy> argh i didnt get to see the april fools login picutre :@
[01:45] <dell500> naked people on the desktop? who where?!
[01:45] <djm62> lewwy: I installed on april 1...gave me a nasty shock
[01:45] <lewwy> what a gyp
[01:45] <nubious> ahah
[01:45] <lewwy> lol
[01:45] <lewwy> what does it do exactly?
[01:45] <djm62> dell500: apt-cache search ubuntu-calendar
[01:45] <sweetsilence> djm62, I hate to put naked people on destop!
[01:45] <lewwy> what does the AF thingo do? change the desktop and thats it?
[01:45] <djm62> sweetsilence: it's ok if you clean the desk afterwards ;)
[01:46] <sweetsilence> :) right!
[01:46] <dell500> djm62, what is this?
[01:46] <matara> pff i just spend a couple of hours setting my desktop to dualk head
[01:46] <djm62> lewwy: just the GDM login...the three dancing people are hairy geeks instead of models
[01:46] <djm62> dell500: ubuntu models for wallpaper
[01:46] <lewwy> lolol
[01:46] <lewwy> and they're naked?
[01:46] <lewwy> ewwww
[01:46] <dell500> does it cache it for the wallpaper??
[01:46] <goldfish_> One is A MAN!
[01:46] <Epix> type sudo apt-get moo
[01:47] <lewwy> hairy woman geeks?
[01:47] <sweetsilence> that`s NASTY! :)
[01:47] <lewwy> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:47] <Epix> its cool
[01:47] <djm62> I like the ubuntu-calendar backgrounds :-/
[01:47] <lewwy> :/
[01:47] <lewwy> :\
[01:47] <lewwy> :|
[01:47] <lewwy> wow
[01:47] <dell500> djm62, where does it cache it to?
[01:47] <nubious> :
[01:47] <djm62> dell500: /usr/share/backgrounds IIRC
[01:48] <Nalioth> shadeofgrey, sorry if this has been brought up, but plugins should go in your home directory in the .mozilla/firefox directory
[01:48] <djm62> tasteful nudity, that's all
[01:48] <Epix> sudo apt-get moo
[01:48] <nubious> If I downloaded BitchX, what would be the optimal place to put it so all users have access?
[01:49] <nubious> in /bin/ ?
[01:49] <dell500> djm62, what's the IIRC??
[01:49] <djm62> but it's that stage beyond user-friendly where you start to think ubuntu actually /likes/ you
[01:49] <tizen> apt-get install bitchx will do it for you
[01:49] <dark> i know it does
[01:49] <djm62> dell500: If I Recall Correctly (I checked, that's right)
[01:49] <nubious> ahh nice
[01:49] <dell500> what are you talkin about, ubuntu DOES like me :)
[01:49] <nubious> haha dell
[01:49] <lewwy> hey guys, i downloaded nvidia-glx but it doesnt appear to be working.  any suggestions?
[01:49] <nubious> I feel the same way
[01:49] <nubious> :D
[01:49] <lewwy> (via synaptic)
[01:49] <djm62> lewwy: did you restart X?
[01:50] <dell500> i went to /usr/share/backgrounds and there's only 2 default ones
[01:50] <Nalioth> nubious, it should install for everyone
[01:50] <nubious> k cool
[01:50] <nubious> thx
[01:50] <nubious> brb
[01:50] <nubious> trying
[01:50] <lewwy> djm62: yeh i did the whole ctrl alt backspace thingo
[01:50] <lewwy> still no go
[01:50] <daniels> nubious: there are packages; install it from synaptic
[01:50] <djm62> dell500: you need to install ubuntu-calendar, and maybe a few of the past months: ubuntu-calendar-february etc
[01:51] <djm62> lewwy: is it getting loaded from xorg.conf?
[01:51] <nubious> nubious@ubox:~ $ sudo apt-get install bitchx
[01:51] <nubious> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:51] <nubious> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:51] <nubious> E: Couldn't find package bitchx
[01:51] <nubious> nubious@ubox:~ $
[01:51] <matara> it's a bitch getting it to work with an ati in dual
[01:51] <nubious> ????
[01:51] <lewwy> well to jump ahead, i tried modprobing nv but it didnt work
[01:51] <lewwy> driver didnt exist
[01:51] <daniels> nubious: it's in universe
[01:51] <daniels> lewwy: nv is not a kernel module
[01:51] <djm62> I must now sleep...it's late in scotland
[01:51] <lok> why but why do you want bitchx ?
[01:51] <goldfish_> nubious: dont use bitch XXX
[01:51] <goldfish_> nubious: get irssi
[01:51] <nubious> bah
[01:51] <djm62> best of british to you all
[01:51] <nubious> bitchx is oldsk00l
[01:51] <lok> nope
[01:51] <nubious> it hits home
[01:51] <matara> sorry] 
[01:51] <nubious> hehe
[01:51] <lewwy> ah ok
[01:52] <nubious> irssi then hey?
[01:52] <djm62> nights
[01:52] <lok> irssi too why this thing
[01:52] <dell500> djm62, does the calendar just run in the background or ??
[01:52] <lewwy> so if i add nv to xorg.conf under video it'll make it work?
[01:52] <goldfish_> irssi rules.
[01:52] <lok> nothing
[01:52] <lok> why do you want a text client ?
[01:52] <Eighth> anyone wanna help me install ubuntu?
[01:53] <lewwy> never!
[01:53] <sweetsilence> nope
[01:53] <goldfish_> text is great
[01:53] <goldfish_> i just love console based stuff
[01:53] <matara> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:53] <loren>  is there a difference between bootsplash and grub splash?
[01:53] <nubious> text clients rule.
[01:53] <lok> goldfish_, to be l33t ?
[01:53] <goldfish_> lok: nah, i just prefer it.
[01:53] <nubious> loren: boot splash is while it's loading - grub splash is a splashscreen while you're waiting to login, no?
[01:54] <goldfish_> lok: i'm only new to nix, far from l33t :)
[01:54] <dark> irssi does rule :-D
[01:54] <loren> nubious: so you mean the login screen is grub splash?
[01:54] <g14> no
[01:54] <g14> wrong
[01:54] <Eighth> so i've got ubuntu installed, but it hangs at the grub loading screen
[01:54] <lok> goldfish_, you want to impress your friends with text tools :p
[01:54] <g14> grub splash is the pretty boot menu where you choose the os to boot.
[01:54] <dantheman> i'm using this guide to install enlightenment: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=enlightenment
[01:54] <nubious> E: Couldn't find package bitchx
[01:54] <Eighth> i'm using the 64b version, btww
[01:54] <nubious> so bitchx doesn't exist?
[01:54] <goldfish_> lok: em nope, most of them are leet :)
[01:55] <dantheman> but when i try to apt-get install enlightenment, it can't find it
[01:55] <Nalioth> goldfish_, terminal is your friend
[01:55] <nubious> bah
[01:55] <nubious> putty
[01:55] <nubious> eff terminal
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> nubious: better off with irssi
[01:55] <loren> g14: what if there is no erm, choice? does it still have that splash?
[01:55] <Nalioth> goldfish_, it is there for you when X goes away
[01:55] <nubious> k
[01:55] <nubious> sec Hrdwire
[01:55] <nubious> can I go and tube the directory tree it made? (where did it make it)
[01:55] <sweetsilence> Eighth: do you have 64b
[01:55] <dantheman> does anyone know which repository has the enlightenment package?
[01:55] <goldfish_> Nalioth: i have another pc with no X ubuntu, must start playing with it.
[01:55] <sweetsilence> Eighth: do you have 64b CpU?
[01:55] <nubious> ahhhhh
[01:55] <nubious> Package irssi is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:55] <nubious> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:55] <nubious> is only available from another source
[01:55] <nubious> E: Package irssi has no installation candidate
[01:55] <Eighth> sweetsilence: amd64 3400+
[01:55] <g14> loren: If there are 0 choices, it will still have that menu. If you add hiddenmenu, or make the timeout 0 you will never see grub
[01:56] <Eighth> i'm not sure it would instalal on a 32b proc... :P
[01:56] <goldfish_> nubious: irssi-text
[01:56] <sweetsilence> :) nope..not by a long shot
[01:56] <sweetsilence> :)
[01:56] <loren> g14: hmmmh alright thanks, btw do you know what to install to get a bootsplash? for ubuntu/kubuntu
[01:56] <dantheman> i have nubious's problem, except it can't find enlightenment
[01:56] <nubious_> WEWP
[01:56] <nubious_> nice
[01:56] <sweetsilence> Eighth: installer wouldn`t allow it..
[01:56] <Eighth> any ideas on why my machine would hang at grub loading?
[01:56] <nubious_> <-- irssi
[01:56] <LinuxJones> loren, the devs are working on one right now :)
[01:57] <Eighth> it's at stage1.5 if that helps
[01:57] <g14> loren: Yes, you need to patch the kernel, set up the bootsplash userspace, edit all of your init boot scripts, and make sure the sun and moon are in alignment
[01:57] <nubuntious> ?
[01:57] <g14> loren: Unless your a pretty advanced linux user I would suggest you wait until breezy comes out with usplash
[01:57] <nubuntious> erm
[01:57] <loren> LinuxJones: do you know as to the status of it? i'm really REALLY badly needing to get a bootsplash because i'm trying to make linux as easy and simple to use to anyone and everyone,
[01:58] <loren> g14: oh usplash?
[01:58] <LinuxJones> loren, yeah usplash
[01:58] <nubious> loren: why do you need a boot splash though?  after it loads all your dependancies, it works.. no?
[01:58] <loren> g14: hmmh i think i tired that but it stopped showing when it was at like 60% which is erm not as awsome at the moment
[01:58] <loren> nubious: im working on making a OEM version of linux for a company and i need it to be "pretty" so it sells and doesn't erm scare people away
[01:59] <nubious> ahahah
[01:59] <nubious> fucking corperate america
[01:59] <g14> loren: You could install redhats rhgb into ubuntu, but it will slow down the boot a little bit
[01:59] <nubious> everythings gotta be primped and pretty
[01:59] <loren> nubious: welcome to the club
[01:59] <lewwy> oop language
[01:59] <nubious> sorry
[01:59] <nubious> erm
[01:59] <g14> I don't blame you, I hate the ubuntu boot
[01:59] <dell500> anyone here know if SHN, FLAC, and OGG files are supported to be burned with k3b (i'm searching google as we speak)?
[01:59] <lewwy> yeh
[01:59] <lok> it seems to me that the usplash is easy to install
[01:59] <lewwy> hell its ugly
[01:59] <loren> g14: really hmmh? i'll keep that one in mind i didn't think you could do that
[01:59] <thread> Anyone familliar with ipw2200 and/or encrypted (shared key) wireless networks care to give my issue a stab? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=161762
[01:59] <thread> I can't get on my wireless network here at home.. so I'm teathered to the ethernet cable
[02:00] <loren> g14: redhat's rggb kindof sucks, but whatever works lol
[02:00] <thread> somebody help free me!
[02:00] <nubious> thread: it makes it tought when you wanna smack the system around like a ball tho hey?
[02:00] <LinuxJones> dell500, you can burn anything you have permissions to :)
[02:00] <nubious> tough*
[02:00] <lewwy> thats about all i can do
[02:00] <thread> nubious: yea but that doesn't help
[02:00] <nubious> thread: hmm.. it used to fix the red tube on my monitor...
[02:00] <thread> Heh
[02:00] <nubious> :)
[02:00] <Boohbah> thread: heretic!
[02:00] <thread> Boohbah!
[02:01] <g14> loren: You might check out the current alpha usplash, I haven't tried it out,  but I'll dig up a link if you want
[02:01] <lewwy> logs?
[02:01] <nubious> k so I need HELP!  sudo is laughing at me because I can't figure it out
[02:01] <thread> Boohbah: who's a heretic?
[02:01] <lok> sudo sux
[02:01] <Eighth> nubious: did you set yourself up as a sudoer?
[02:01] <nubious> well
[02:01] <nubious> no
[02:01] <nubious> but
[02:01] <nubious> here's the issue
[02:01] <loren> g14: please, i'd really appreciate it, i did try a version not to long ago but i dont think  it was alpha splash
[02:01] <LinuxJones> lok, what's the difference between su and sudo ?
[02:01] <synd> whys backports so slow?
[02:01] <nubious> I have a voice server running - and I wanna have it load at boot.. yesterday I got help setting up my own script at boot, so thats dont
[02:01] <nubious> err
[02:01] <nubious> done
[02:02] <nubious> but now when the server loads up, it says DO NOT RUN AS ROOT
[02:02] <nubious> (at boot)
[02:02] <nubious> so I try with sudo
[02:02] <nubious> but it dun work
[02:02] <g14> nubious: what server?
[02:02] <nubious> teamspeak rc2
[02:02] <lok> linuxboy, sudo give you temporarly root rights and su put you on root
[02:02] <nubious> www.goteamspeak.com
[02:02] <lewwy> lol whys everyone carrying on about fixing linux problems in forums by typing rm -rf /, ima gonna go try it brb
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> sudo -s
[02:02] <tiefox> anyone installed vmware in ubuntu ?
[02:02] <batoms> is there a common name service caching daemon for ubuntu
[02:02] <nubious> -s?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> will give you a shell
[02:02] <lok> just that type sudo sudo sudo sudo too all command that I have to do in root bother me
[02:02] <LinuxJones> lok, who in their right mind wants root all the time :)
[02:02] <synd>  whys backports so slow?
[02:02] <mjr> nubious, try "su -c command_to_run_server username"
[02:03] <nubious> k
[02:03] <nubious> one sec
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> lok: on an average day, I don't use root at all on my PC
[02:03] <lewwy> yeh, but what about installing packages
[02:03] <nubious> no wait mjr
[02:03] <nubious> I want it to load at BOOT
[02:03] <lewwy> i have to use it, im addicted to su :)
[02:03] <lok> LinuxJones, when I have to install a chroot then debootstrap configure some tools etc... I prefere note type sudo all the times
[02:03] <loren> g14: usplash isn't the same thing as splashy right?
[02:04] <nubious> erm
[02:04] <nubious> nbevermind - I'll try it
[02:04] <batoms> how long before the root or no root discussion gets old
[02:04] <lewwy> 5 years, 3 months, 2 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 32 seconds, 150 milliseconds
[02:04] <g14> loren: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[02:04] <g14> loren: No they are different
[02:05] <loren> g14: thank you
[02:05] <loren> g14: i'll check it out
[02:05] <batoms> lewwy: is that how long before it gets old
[02:05] <lewwy> eh
[02:05] <lewwy> yeh
[02:05] <lok> and commands like sudo mkdir foo && sudo chown root:root foo is a bit boring when you have to deal in some directories like usr or etc
[02:05] <batoms> lewwy: how about vi vs emacs
[02:05] <lewwy> (i'm being sarcastic)
[02:05] <nubious> bah.. nano all the way
[02:05] <nubious> :D
[02:06] <goldfish_> hehe
[02:06] <goldfish_> nano, yes !
[02:06] <goldfish_> i must learn vim.
[02:06] <matara> pico rules
[02:06] <g14> loren: for prettyness though, you would probably be better off using rhgb and just trim down the boot time using something like initng, ever heard of that?
[02:06] <lewwy> ARGH
[02:06] <LinuxJones> lok, man bash :)
[02:06] <lewwy> STUPID WINE
[02:06] <nubious> lewwy: try winex?
[02:06] <loren> 614: not yet i'll write it down and search it
[02:06] <lok> LinuxJones, ?
[02:06] <lewwy> off cvs?
[02:06] <batoms> i reverse engineered ms notepad to linux and use that
[02:06] <lewwy> hey wait where can i get winex
[02:07] <lewwy> omg illegal!
[02:07] <LinuxJones> lok, write some scripts dude
[02:07] <nubious> UHHH
[02:07] <nubious> er
[02:07] <nubious> caps lock
[02:07] <nubious> was I just kicked?
[02:07] <batoms> does anyone know a name service cache daemon for ubunti
[02:07] <lok> LinuxJones, why do I have to make an alias when I do not have to do this if I'm logged in root ?
[02:07] <nubious> or was it my cat that walked across the keyboard that caused my window to close
[02:08] <lewwy> guys where can i get winex from?
[02:08] <lewwy> apart from cvs...
[02:08] <dell500> LinuxJones, in data format, but what about audio??
[02:08] <hyphenated> lewwy: you subscribe to transgaming to get access to cedega downloads. (they renamed winex to cedega)
[02:09] <thechitowncubs> Hey, if Adobe was to create Dreamweaver for Linux, would they have to develop it specifically for KDE or Gnome? And would it work across all distrobutions?
[02:09] <lok> lewwy, winnex isn't it cedega now ?
[02:09] <matara> try winetools
[02:09] <thechitowncubs> I use cedega, it works great
[02:09] <thechitowncubs> i paid for the subscription
[02:09] <lewwy> yeh, but a) cedega costs moneys b) winex is free c) cvscedega doesnt work
[02:10] <lewwy> bah
[02:10] <g14> thechitowncubs, Adobe has their own gui toolkit that they open sourced
[02:10] <hyphenated> thechitowncubs: they'd have to choose Gtk or Qt, probably. neither of those depend on the desktop environment, but KDE has a lot of Qt stuff in it, and Gnome has a lot of GTK stuff in it
[02:10] <loren> thechitowncubs: if you cancel your subscription do you loose your ability to play games?
[02:10] <lewwy> ubuntu/kubuntu is free
[02:10] <lewwy> if im going to pay for anything, it'll be the OS
[02:10] <hyphenated> g14: which one's that?
[02:10] <g14> hyphenated, let me try to dig up the slashdot article
[02:10] <lewwy> not some third party util thats ripped from something free anyway
[02:10] <matara> it worked dor me with winetools with has good documentation and simplerer install
[02:10] <hyphenated> lewwy: winex wasn't free
[02:10] <LinuxJones> lok, I don't really care if you log into root, it's not a great idea to do it though. You can easily bork your system if you type in the wrong command :)
[02:11] <nubious> hey when my system boods I get two hardcore modprobe fatal errors when it starts the hotplug system - is there a way I can disbale that?
[02:11] <hyphenated> g14: I can search, I was just hoping you knew off the top of your head
[02:11] <thechitowncubs> Loren: no, you just lose your ability to download new updates
[02:11] <thechitowncubs> hyphenated: What does firefox use? GTK?
[02:11] <hyphenated> thechitowncubs: yup
[02:11] <thechitowncubs> Ah IC
[02:11] <nubious> argh
[02:12] <thechitowncubs> What do you think the possibility of a dreamweaver for linux is
[02:12] <loren> thechitownbus: hmmh then i actually might consider buying it hmmmh
[02:12] <nubious> who told me to try the su -c command to start the server?
[02:12] <g14> Adobe has reopened opensource.adobe.com, which now contains the Adobe Source Libraries, a collection of free C++ code released under the MIT License. Currently this includes Eve, a dialog auto-layout engine, and Adam, which is a supporting modeling engine used for describing constraints and relationships. Foreword quote:
[02:12] <thechitowncubs> im no bus
[02:12] <nubious> I'm getting a different error now
[02:12] <lok> LinuxJones, well I never rip on my keyboard and wrote rm -rf / but it's possible I'll have to paid attention to what I do in root mode sure ;)
[02:12] <nubious> unknown PID: start
[02:12] <loren> thechitownbus: it's been done, i think crossover does it good, and wine i think can do it too
[02:12] <g14> http://opensource.adobe.com/main.html
[02:12] <lewwy> goldfish_: are you going to send it?
[02:13] <thechitowncubs> I realize that, but a native linux port would be amazing and would really open up linux to more markets.
[02:13] <loren> g14: holly crap, did that merging or macromedia and adobe ever finally finish?
[02:13] <g14> loren, Yes it was finalized a bit ago
[02:14] <g14> loren, both Macromedia and Adobe are dipping their feet in linux. So this is good. I would really like to see photoshop on linux
[02:14] <g14> Gimp doesn't cut it for making lots of web graphics
[02:14] <loren> g14: wow, that's scary, they were HUGE companies and both have great products, and now they're even huger, you serious? holy
[02:14] <g14> I tried to use it
[02:14] <g14> loren, Thats good
[02:14] <loren> g14: Photoshop for linux would mean a new power in the linux world
[02:14] <thechitowncubs> I would really like to see Dreamweaver, Photoshop would be amazing, but that would pretty much kill the gimp.
[02:14] <ubuntu> y'a t'il 1 francais??   MERCI !!
[02:14] <Marble2> Photoshop isn't free
[02:14] <g14> thechitowncubs, No it wouldn't you would still have to pay like $500 for photoshop
[02:14] <Marble2> The Gimp is
[02:15] <ubuntu> y'a t'il 1 francais??   MERCI !!
[02:15] <thechitowncubs> Very true..
[02:15] <Marble2> And warez copies of PS for linux would take a while
[02:15] <loren> Marble2: photoshop isn't free, but the fact that it could be linux native is quite a statement when graphics developers find out
[02:15] <Marble2> yknow
[02:15] <thechitowncubs> Why is that?
[02:15] <g14> thechitowncubs, But it would do something else... it would open up linux to graphics designers and web designers that would never think of using it previouosly
[02:15] <loren> Marble2: not to mention linux is cheaper than OS X and about the same speed from my understanding
[02:15] <ubuntu> y'a t'il 1 francais??   MERCI !!
[02:15] <Marble2> true
[02:16] <loren> g14: where did you hear about the possability for native linux applications?
[02:16] <Marble2> ubuntu: stop spamming
[02:16] <nubious> hmm
[02:16] <loren> ubuntu: no hablas france
[02:16] <MuStR> has anyone successfully installed final fantasy 7?
[02:16] <nubious> hahaha
[02:16] <loren> :D
[02:16] <thechitowncubs> gl4: Thats what I was thinking about... and since linux is progressing so nicely now, the market share will only go up farther w/ great app additions like those
[02:16] <nubious> parles vous englais, ubuntu?
[02:16] <g14> loren: Adobe opensourced those libraries hoping someone would help them port them to run on linux. So they can later down the road release software on linux
[02:16] <loren> MuStR: do a google search
[02:16] <MuStR> I installed it using crossover, but it's giving me a sound card error
[02:16] <MuStR> did
[02:17] <Nalioth> ubuntu, s'il vous plait en le #ubuntu-fr
[02:17] <thechitowncubs> Mustr: is it a game?
[02:17] <ubuntu> non pas englais
[02:17] <MuStR> heh
[02:17] <MuStR> yes it is
[02:17] <loren> g14: wow, i'm sure there will be those that will help, it'd be something i'd look into if i knew more about the linux operating system infrastructure
[02:17] <thechitowncubs> k, use cedega
[02:17] <Marble2> ubuntu: nouse ne parlons pas francais
[02:17] <Marble2> nouse rather
[02:17] <Marble2> -e
[02:17] <Marble2> dammit
[02:17] <g14> loren, Adobe was smart in writing those libraries in C+. That keeps them pretty portable as far as porting to other platforms like linux
[02:17] <thread> who's gotten their wireless card to work with a netgear wireless router using shared key wep authentication?
[02:17] <Marble2> forget french
[02:18] <MuStR> the game is already installled
[02:18] <nubious> hehe
[02:18] <MuStR> it's just giving me a sound card error
[02:18] <g14> thread, want to see why to never ever ever use WEP?
[02:18] <loren> g14: indeed, C++ was and is and will most likely for a VERY long time be the standard, it runs on everything
[02:18] <MuStR> (it's saying there isn't a directsound-compatible card)
[02:18] <thread> g14: um... ok
[02:18] <g14> thread, Go to http://www.whoppix.net and click on demos. Then click on WEP attack or whatever
[02:18] <Nalioth> g14 i want to see i want to see show me show me show me
[02:18] <loren> g14: are their mainstream applications however writeen in C++ or some other more crapish language
[02:19] <g14> thread, it takes all of 10 minutes for me to crack 90% of WEP "encrypted" networks with my new laptop
[02:19] <g14> loren, yes they are c++ from what I hear
[02:19] <thread> g14: what's the alternative?
[02:19] <nubious> bbiab
[02:19] <thread> g14: I obviously don't know much about this wireless stuff
[02:19] <metalsand> g14, can you help me get PCMCIA card working?
[02:20] <g14> thread, WPA
[02:20] <g14> metalsand, nope
[02:20] <metalsand> lol
[02:20] <thechitowncubs> I'm surprised people don't know more about Adobe's position on linux.
[02:20] <metalsand> Thanks
[02:20] <metalsand> g14, what software do you use?
[02:20] <thread> g14: I just got a new laptop as well with a ipw2200 card.. and I am having a lot of trouble getting on our wireless network
[02:20] <loren> g14: very good, so they were smart, i hope macromedia was simular, wow you're being flodded with people talking to you lol, arn't you popular tonight? :D
[02:20] <g14> metalsand, for what?
[02:20] <metalsand> Cracking WEP
[02:20] <g14> metalsand, Go view that demo I said for thread to look at
[02:21] <g14> metalsand, I use airsnort, kismet, and weblab
[02:21] <metalsand> I wasn't here when you said that....
[02:21] <ThomasWinwood> Hmm. I might crack the WEP-protected wireless networks in my street if I get bored.
[02:21] <g14> *weplab
[02:21] <thechitowncubs> thread: i have an ipw2200
[02:21] <thechitowncubs> what brand is your laptop
[02:21] <metalsand> I recently saw some info about weplab on the netstumbler forums
[02:21] <thread> thechitowncubs: it's a dell inspiron 700m
[02:21] <metalsand> That's what I have, thread
[02:21] <g14> metalsand, Go to http://www.whoppix.net and click on demos. Then click on the WEP demo
[02:21] <metalsand> You get in on the amazing deal?
[02:21] <thread> thechitowncubs: I can't get on my wep network
[02:21] <copilot> Anyone know of a guide to getting Illustrator to work under WINE?
[02:21] <thechitowncubs> Hmmm
[02:22] <thread> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=161762
[02:22] <g14> copilot, Take a look at inkscape and scribus
[02:22] <thechitowncubs> how much linux experience do you have?
[02:22] <Nub> HELP: ubuntu doesn't see Microsoft PCI Adapter MN-130 #2 (nic card)
[02:22] <thechitowncubs> thread, how much linux experience do you have?
[02:22] <thread> thechitowncubs: a whole lot
[02:23] <loren> g14: that's totally awsome though, macromedia and adobe are totally going to kick the crap out of windows, linux has been needing major software companies to lead the way, not to mention adobe+macorodmia is without a doubt the biggest software companies on the market, now i guess all they need is to acquire sun's OpenOffice.org Eh?
[02:23] <copilot> g14, I shall, thanks.
[02:23] <thread> thechitowncubs: don't know konw the wireless stuff so well, thogh
[02:23] <hybrid_goth>   /join Amiga
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> damn
[02:23] <thechitowncubs> thread: What exactly doesn't it do
[02:23] <g14> loren: Macromedia put up a poll on their website asking how many people thought they should support linux
[02:23] <loren> g14: is it closed?
[02:23] <thechitowncubs> gl4: what were the results
[02:23] <thread> thechitowncubs: did you see the forum thread I started?
[02:23] <thread> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=161762
[02:23] <g14> loren: They said if enough ppl wanted it, they would port the flash plugin to linux
[02:23] <thechitowncubs> oh ok
[02:23] <loren> :D
[02:24] <dell500> does anyone here know if k3b is able to accept SHN files??
[02:24] <dell500> or if there is a way for k3b to accept them
[02:24] <g14> loren: What you can do, is find the contact forms on their webpage and send them emails asking about linux support for stuff like dreamweaver and flash
[02:24] <g14> seriously, thats how you get them to do it
[02:24] <Eighth> send lots of correspondence to them
[02:24] <loren> g14: very awsome, very awsome indeed, i forgot what specifically was missing on linux but i believe it was a newer version of flash or something like that, i remember i had problems with flash on linux before
[02:24] <thechitowncubs> thread: do you use 128 bit?
[02:24] <Eighth> it's annoying not having the plugin
[02:24] <loren> g14: done and done
[02:24] <lewwy> [slash]  use wine
[02:24] <thread> thechitowncubs: dhclient doesn't get an ip, and wpa_supplicant (that I don't really understand either) doesn't seem to work
[02:24] <lok> g14, wow I known that wep was simple to crack but like THAT
[02:25] <thread> thechitowncubs: yes, 128 bit, shared key
[02:25] <thread> thechitowncubs: channel 5
[02:25] <g14> lok: :) I don't need to say anything else do I?
[02:25] <loren> g14: yeah direct contact
[02:25] <lok> I even don't imagine that simple was
[02:25] <thechitowncubs> thread: do you live in a populated area?
[02:25] <g14> lok: And thats why you NEVER USE WEP. If you do wireless, use WPA
[02:25] <nubious> ok
[02:25] <thread> thechitowncubs: not really...
[02:25] <thechitowncubs> mine as well use 64 bit
[02:25] <thechitowncubs> or at least try it
[02:26] <thread> thechitowncubs: we're not too worried about getting our network cracked
[02:26] <nubious> would it work if in my startup script I put cd /serverdirectorystructure/ and THEN launched the server?
[02:26] <thechitowncubs> Thats what I am using on my ipw2200...
[02:26] <lok> I think to continue to use ethernet protocole during sometimes :p
[02:26] <g14> nubious, What server are you trying to start?
[02:26] <nubious> Teamspeak
[02:26] <metalsand> WPA-AES with a 20 digit case, character and number key :D
[02:26] <nubious> it's giving me an error saying it can't find a file, which is in the server directory
[02:26] <Nalioth> g14 <whine> flash doesnt work on my PPC </whine> i caint see the purty pitchers of the WEP gettin wallopped
[02:26] <g14> Nalioth, Well bookmark that and check it out when you get a chance
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: yea i hate macromedia for that
[02:27] <lok> mmmh maybe my school use wep .... good :)
[02:27] <Nalioth> g14 i already know how wep suxors
[02:27] <metalsand> I can't belive all these people are facisnated with WEP cracks
[02:27] <Nalioth> g14 i'm jest pullin yer ol leg
[02:28] <Nub> help: Ubuntu doesn't recognize microsoft PCI Adapter MN-130 #2 (nic card)
[02:28] <g14> lok: probably so. 95% of ppl actually believe wep is secure. Let them keep on thinking. just a few more minutes with weplab...
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> wep is *old*
[02:28] <Eighth> it's better than nothing
[02:28] <Eighth> if only as a deterrant
[02:28] <Nalioth> g14 on my mac with kismac, most networks are minutes in the opening (if they use wep)
[02:28] <metalsand> Go down the block another 30 seconds and you'll find an open one ;)
[02:28] <lok> hybrid_goth, in most country wifi is new
[02:28] <shido6> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[02:28] <shido6> kernel?
[02:29] <Nalioth> g14 strictly educational use, of course (i can always drive around the corner and find a welcome fully open wap)
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> lok: where?
[02:29] <g14> Nalioth, sure, thats what they all say
[02:29] <lewwy> ok chumps
[02:29] <qmanman|away> shido: /usr/src/linux-headers(version)
[02:30] <shido6>  /lib/modules/<<module release number>>/build/include
[02:30] <bestadvocate> hey guys is there a way to get the mouse working when your stuck in text mode for programs, like lynx, elinks, bitchx emacs or whatever?
[02:30] <Nalioth> g14, come on, i drive a taxi in Houston. my stumbler finds hundreds of waps each day (wish i had a gps unit to map them)
[02:31] <g14> Nalioth, You should, then you could publish the coordinates online :)
[02:31] <Nalioth> bestadvocate, there is but i cant rememember how to do it
[02:31] <metalsand> g14, what kind of mapping software do you use
[02:31] <metalsand> kismet supported stuff?
[02:31] <Nalioth> g14 not to mention always having my next waiting spot planned out
[02:31] <qmanman> shido: yeah your modules directory should be linked to that
[02:32] <hyphenated> is mac-based authentication about as much of a waste of time as wep is?
[02:32] <g14> metalsand, I don't map points. I don't do much wardriving because there are about 4 WEP AP's in this building
[02:32] <bestadvocate> Nalioth: i did some googleing but all i got was "on such and such my mouse was not working", usually a red-hat or Suse installer question
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i think the made a gameboy sp gps
[02:32] <g14> hyphenated, It will take a slightly more skilled hacker to break mac based encryption. But in reality, it's easy to beat too
[02:32] <metalsand> g14, what GPS device would you recommend to me
[02:32] <shido6> qmanman, thanks I had to do a  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:32] <shido6> first
[02:32] <metalsand> USB is perferred
[02:32] <bestadvocate> Nalioth: any ideas on where I should look? or key terms to look with?
[02:32] <metalsand> For a connection to my laptop
[02:32] <qmanman> shido: cool
[02:33] <hyphenated> g14: so in reality, WEP encryption + MAC authentication is just going to take longer?
[02:33] <loren> g14: shoot it's hard to find macromedia's email link
[02:33] <metalsand> hyphenated, Yes
[02:33] <qmanman> man gnome needs a better wifi applet
[02:33] <hybrid_goth> qmanman: i like os x wifi applet
[02:33] <hyphenated> are there any recommendations about how often a 10-digit key should be changed?
[02:33] <hyphenated> (sorry that this is completely off-topic for ubuntu) :-)
[02:33] <g14> metalsand, never much played with gps, sorry I don't know
[02:34] <metalsand> hybrid_goth, if it's a home network... never
[02:34] <qmanman> hybrid: I agree
[02:34] <metalsand> No one would really bother, like I said earlier drive another 30 seconds and there's a completely open network
[02:34] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: do what
[02:34] <metalsand> Breaking a home network's WEP
[02:35] <thread> thechitowncubs: so yeah.... 64 bit didn't help
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> o
[02:35] <g14> hyphenated, When I use kismet to sniff your "encrypted packets" it will show your ip and your mac address
[02:35] <g14> hyphenated, it is pretty trivial to change your mac address in linux and it's just a registry hack to do the same in windows
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: have you seen the wifi absorbing paint
[02:35] <dark> macchanger > *
[02:36] <metalsand> hybrid_goth, heard of it
[02:36] <hyphenated> g14: well, what happens when there's a clash of MAC addresses on a network?
[02:36] <metalsand> only real use I can think of it is for resteraunts trying to luer people in to wireless networks
[02:36] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: if i lived where ppl could steal my network i would use it
[02:37] <g14> hyphenated, It depends on the access point. You can do something called arp poisioning to knock the other computer off though alot of the time
[02:37] <metalsand> Wherever you live people could steal your network
[02:37] <metalsand> there's just a .0000001% chance it will happen
[02:37] <g14> hyphenated, that is the same way you can sniff all data on alot of switches
[02:37] <bestadvocate> anyone know any good command line music players?
[02:37] <thechitowncubs> Thread, hmmm
[02:37] <g14> mpg123
[02:37] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: i live a half mile from the road with a neighbor a quarter mile away
[02:38] <metalsand> hybrid_goth, you're prefectly fine with WEP
[02:38] <thechitowncubs> gl4: I'm submitting a feature request in order for them to get Dreamweaver onto linux... here is the link if more want to do the same... http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/?6213=6
[02:38] <metalsand> unless you're the most paranoid person in the world
[02:38] <g14> thechitowncubs, Thankyou for posting the link
[02:38] <thread> ugh.. gotta get a hold of my irc client
[02:38] <hyphenated> metalsand: or running a business where things getting stolen actually costs money
[02:38] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: i dont even run that who is going to steal it? and i dont send real sensitive stuff much
[02:38] <bestadvocate> g14, thanks but Ubuntu only has 321 and I dont see a way to skip to the next song easilly, or tell it how to play everything in a directory recusively.  is that possible with mpg321? do you know how?
[02:38] <hybrid_goth> if at all
[02:39] <g14> bestadvocate, nope, never played with that one. Read the man page or look for a howto with google
[02:39] <metalsand> hyphenated, right
[02:39] <metalsand> hyphenated, but then you'd probably want a VPN anyway.. Something really secure
[02:39] <bestadvocate> g14, yah i read the man it doesnt look like it was possible,
[02:39] <g14> bestadvocate, that sucks
[02:40] <ksmurf> hello all.
[02:40] <hyphenated> indeed. they don't have that at work, but they have WEP + MAC auth, and the WEP key hasn't been changed for a long while
[02:40] <ksmurf> any ideas on how to get my sound (audigy 2) working?
[02:40] <g14> hyphenated, Mac spoofing <- thats the term is very trivial
[02:40] <lewwy> man
[02:40] <lewwy> what a joke
[02:41] <lewwy> nothing even works under cedega
[02:41] <matara> ksmurk tried the mixer settings?
[02:41] <metalsand> g14
[02:41] <metalsand> so what exactly is whoppix
[02:41] <ksmurf> yes I checked the audigy digital tab ... right?
[02:41] <metalsand> a cd with kismet, airsnort and ...
[02:41] <g14> metalsand, whoppix is a professional hacker toolkit
[02:41] <lewwy> hey how do i copy something and include the subdirectories?
[02:41] <g14> metalsand, they call us computer security specialists
[02:42] <fallstorm> lewwy, cp -r
[02:42] <lewwy> thx
[02:42] <metalsand> I'm familar with auditing and all that
[02:42] <matara> are you conneted digital at all
[02:42] <metalsand> but what exactly is whoppx
[02:42] <g14> It contains pretty much the entire packetstormsecurity.org exploit archive and the best hacking tools available
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> lewwy: 'nothing'?
[02:42] <g14> metalsand, Did you read what I said?
[02:42] <lewwy> HrdwrBoB: yep nothing
[02:42] <lewwy> not even soldat
[02:42] <matara> if not turn it off as there will no analog sound come out if on
[02:42] <lewwy> and soldat is like, super mcbasic d3d
[02:42] <g14> Whoppix is a bootable cd like knoppix that is designed specificly for penetration testing aka hacking
[02:43] <g14> For someone that actually knows what they are doing
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> lewwy: I personally use it for farcry, warcraft3 and world of warcraft
[02:43] <lewwy> ooh ooh
[02:43] <metalsand> what OS and how much support is there for it g14
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> so more than nothing works
[02:43] <DKT> how can i turn off laptop monitor (blank and backlight), no X installed ?
[02:43] <lewwy> but did you install those games under cedega?
[02:43] <shido6> crap
[02:43] <shadeofgrey> okay
[02:43] <shido6> ok vmware is working, but it stole my moue
[02:43] <shido6> mouse
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> lewwy: yes
[02:43] <lewwy> or just install them in windows and then play in linux
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> I don't have windows
[02:43] <lewwy> ah
[02:43] <g14> metalsand, Maybe if you read the website, you will notice it is based off of knoppix so I would guess it is linux
[02:43] <lewwy> henceforth my problem
[02:43] <thread> g14: did you see my forum post? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32300
[02:44] <lewwy> i don't have any install cd's
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> what are my options for desktop publishing -- i need something capable of rendering an entire 45 page magazine
[02:44] <shido6> how do I restart or gain control over my mouse again, when i watch DVD's i loose my mouse, too in vlc, xine, or anything else
[02:44] <metalsand> Oh, I wasn't aware that knoppix was a Linux OS
[02:44] <lewwy> but like, it should still work
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> lewwy: well then, pay for your games
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> ....and all the eyecandy for my novels
[02:44] <lewwy> touhce
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> THEN come and whinge
[02:44] <metalsand> I  assumed it was simply a program
[02:44] <g14> shadeofgrey, Several professional desktop publishing companies are turning to scribus on linux to create magazines
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> really?
[02:44] <lewwy> good point HrdwrBoB
[02:44] <shadeofgrey> why arent any of those companies listed then?
[02:45] <hyphenated> metalsand: knoppix famous for being a bootable distro that works on damn near anything, and having more tools than you'd expect on a single CD
[02:45] <g14> shadeofgrey, I have read about it on osnews. Search around and you will find it
[02:45] <dantheman> i desperately need help
[02:45] <dantheman> i've destroyed gnome
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> lewwy: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/
[02:45] <loren> g14: For the OSS Community i just sent em the request
[02:45] <g14> loren: thankyou
[02:45] <loren> g14: For the OSS Community i just sent em the request
[02:45] <dantheman> i was attempting to install enlightenment, following the instructions to install from CVS
[02:45] <[RR] Sean> how do you restart services in ubuntu (console command/gui menu?)
[02:46] <loren> g14: :D i want to see macromedia/adobe application on linux as well, especially photoshop
[02:46] <dantheman> and suddenly when i clicked on applications to start them, i would get the panel thing telling me it was starting them
[02:46] <loren> g14: ot
[02:46] <dantheman> but the applications wouldn't open
[02:46] <dantheman> so i restarted X
[02:46] <Nubuntu_> I am looking for a bit of support - paid or unpaid.  Is there anyone qualified?
[02:46] <loren> g14: it'll be the next milestone
[02:46] <dantheman> and i get the error:
[02:46] <g14> nubious: check whisper
[02:46] <nubious> 10-4
[02:46] <nubious> one sec
[02:46] <dantheman> gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:46] <dantheman> does anyone know what i can do to fix this?
[02:47] <metalsand> Find the right address of the file?
[02:47] <Nubuntu_> Anyone want to offer their one on one chat support.  I am willing to pay.
[02:47] <goldfish_> bestadvocate: mp3blaster is good
[02:47] <hyphenated> Nubuntu_: there are plenty of links on the ubuntu website for finding people who offer support for money
[02:47] <hyphenated> Nubuntu_: but lots of people just ask in here, and see what they can get
[02:47] <RastaMahata> hello, I need help with gnomebaker regarding the mtab problem...
[02:48] <hyphenated> Nubuntu_: so just ask your question and see what happens
[02:48] <dantheman> anyone at all?
[02:48] <lewwy> hey, how can i check if nvidia-glx is working correctly?
[02:48] <dantheman> i can't use gnome
[02:48] <xenoo00> anyone running on a ppc?
[02:48] <dantheman> i'm desparate
[02:48] <g14> dantheman, sounds like your gonna need to remove gdm and reinstall it
[02:48] <dantheman> okay
[02:48] <dantheman> how do i that?
[02:48] <g14> dantheman, thats a pretty fatal error
[02:48] <tritium> dantheman, what's happening that you can't use it?
[02:49] <dantheman> apt-get remove gdm?
[02:49] <dantheman> apt-get install gdm?
[02:49] <dantheman> gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:49] <tritium> apt-get install --reinstall gdm
[02:49] <loren> anyone know how far beta29 is compared to when 1.0's expected to come out
[02:49] <hyphenated> dantheman: what does dpkg libxdmcp6 (on the last line)
[02:49] <hyphenated> uh.. what does it _say_ :-)
[02:49] <shido6> how do I regain control over my mouse in ubuntu
[02:49] <shido6> ?
[02:49] <dantheman> i have no idea
[02:49] <g14> dantheman, tritium has the right command
[02:49] <dantheman> i don't know where that file is
[02:50] <hyphenated> bah.. let's start again. run 'dpkg -l libxdmcp6' and look at the last line :-)
[02:50] <dantheman> uh....how do i do that while i'm using irc from the command line?
[02:50] <hyphenated> switch to another virtual terminal
[02:50] <tritium> dantheman, if you're in v.c. 1, ctrl-alt-f2 to get to v.c. 2
[02:50] <dantheman> alright
[02:51] <thechitowncubs> For all you neowin members : http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=318181
[02:51] <dantheman> pressing ctrl+alt+f# doesn't do anything for me
[02:51] <bestadvocate> hey guys this kind of embarasing, but how do you quit BitchX, I ran out of terminals....
[02:51] <dantheman> oh wait
[02:51] <dantheman> i got it
[02:51] <jmob> bestadvocate: /quit ?
[02:51] <Nalioth> dantheman, are you on a x86 box?
[02:52] <ksmurf> Audigy 2 is a pain to get going.... any ideas???
[02:52] <loren> anyone running the Acgua Theme?
[02:52] <dantheman> dpkg -l libxdmcp6 tells me it's not installed
[02:53] <dantheman> Nalioth: yes
[02:53] <xenoo00> anyone know of a good mbox reader?
[02:53] <thread> somebody who's smart with wireless... please make me a suggestion :/ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32300
[02:53] <thread> should I be using wpa_supplicant? what am I missing in the setting up of my wireless?
[02:54] <dantheman> should i try to install that package?
[02:54] <loren> xenoo00, not quite sure what a mbox is but erm other people might
[02:54] <tritium> dantheman, yes
[02:54] <fallstorm> doesn't mail use mbox?
[02:54] <ksmurf> where can I get an mp3 plugin?
[02:54] <dantheman> can i get it from apt?
[02:54] <tritium> yes
[02:54] <fallstorm> I think thunderbird or evolution can also import mbox folders
[02:54] <fallstorm> not sure though
[02:55] <Nalioth> dantheman, with all this text flyin by, was just checkin ya werent on a weird ol PPC box (with weird key combos)
[02:55] <loren> ksmurf: i think it's something like win32-codecs or something win32 some package do a package search with whatever PM you have
[02:55] <tritium> w32codecs
[02:55] <Burgundavia> ksmurf, you need gstreamer-lame
[02:55] <loren> tritium: there ya go
[02:55] <amaro> join #kubuntu
[02:55] <dantheman> ah, no
[02:56] <loren> amaro: already there lol
[02:56] <ksmurf> tnx
[02:56] <amaro> oh
[02:56] <dantheman> alright, i've got the package installing
[02:56] <amaro> this is the second time today
[02:56] <dantheman> alright, it installed
[02:56] <tritium> dantheman, that should do the trick
[02:56] <amaro> it's because xchat is slow
[02:56] <dantheman> alright
[02:56] <goldfish_> get a real irc client :)
[02:57] <amaro> goldfish_, what's a real irc client?
[02:57] <sig> irssi
[02:57] <goldfish_> irssi !!!
[02:57] <goldfish_> hehe
[02:57] <tritium> RastaMahata, that's not going to announce every new song you listen to, is it?
[02:57] <amaro> wait
[02:57] <goldfish_> amaro: Ah I'm joking, I just prefer irssi.
[02:57] <amaro> let me guess
[02:57] <blueyed> "xxx is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported." - after which a mail to the local user "debian" gets send (which does not exist) and the message bounces to the original user. Is this a bug with the sudo package?
[02:57] <amaro> is that a console-based irc client?
[02:57] <goldfish_> amaro: yep.
[02:57] <amaro> let me guess, you use vi or emacs?
[02:57] <fallstorm> blueyed, it's a failure by the ubuntu developers to change the sudo package for ubuntu :)
[02:58] <fallstorm> you should probably report it on ubuntu's bugzilla
[02:58] <matara> hmm gaming under linux pretty ok
[02:58] <Nalioth> whappd, guess the cat let you loose?
[02:58] <xenoo00> What is a good command line irc client??
[02:58] <blueyed> ok, I will. As it's really a security issue, too.
[02:58] <dantheman> ah, back in gnome
[02:58] <whappd> Malioth ... ?
[02:58] <dantheman> tritium: thank you
[02:58] <tritium> xenoo00, irssi-text
[02:58] <tritium> dantheman, did it work?
[02:58] <jmob> xenoo00: irssi is nice
[02:58] <xenoo00> Thanks
[02:58] <dantheman> tritium: yes it did
[02:59] <Nalioth> whappd, "look what the cat dragged in"
[02:59] <tritium> dantheman, any idea how it got uninstalled?  It's a dependency of gdm and xserver-xorg
[02:59] <whappd> ...
[02:59] <dantheman> tritium: i have no idea
[02:59] <Nalioth> whappd, sorry, twas a convoluted form of "hello"
[02:59] <dantheman> i was using the instructions at http://get-e.org to install enlightenment from cvs
[02:59] <whappd> Yeah, uh, sure.
[02:59] <dantheman> i hadn't deleted anything
[02:59] <dantheman> so i'm not sure how it happened
[03:00] <Razor-X> hey
[03:00] <tritium> dantheman, be careful with non-ubuntu-software like that
[03:00] <dantheman> apparently
[03:01] <Razor-X> I think i'm gonna use PQMagic to dual-boot
[03:01] <dantheman> maybe i'll try to install it from packages
[03:02] <Razor-X> do you think I should partition for Ubuntu beforehand, or during the install?
[03:03] <RastaMahata> woah, graveman beats the hell out of gnomebaker :)
[03:03] <g14> RastaMahata, Why do you say that?
[03:03] <RastaMahata> g14, gnomebaker gave me mtab errors
[03:04] <RastaMahata> graveman doesnt, and it allows me to burn my audio cds without pause between tracks
[03:04] <g14> RastaMahata, good reason. I'll have to check it out
[03:04] <RastaMahata> alvaro_, que tal tocayo
[03:04] <Nalioth> Razor-X, whats the matter with grub/lilo/yaboot?
[03:05] <Razor-X> Nalioth: pain in the arse
[03:05] <Razor-X> what I was gonna do was
[03:05] <Nalioth> Razor-X, ah yes, posterior comfort is a must
[03:05] <Razor-X> install GRUB, make a boot floppy from it, and then fdisk /mbr
[03:05] <Razor-X> and, for that purpose, GRUB just complicates things
[03:06] <Razor-X> rather, it would be easier to use something like PQBoot, but I may use boot floppy
[03:06] <Razor-X> not sure...
[03:07] <scott_> ?exit
[03:09] <DmD> hey, is there an uptime thing i can add to the panel?
[03:09] <DmD> i know how to do it in the terminal but i was just wondering
[03:11] <reD_Rum> what's a good cd burning program with multisession support and all that?
[03:12] <tritium> reD_Rum, graveman and gnomebaker are both good.  many like k3b as well
[03:12] <qmanman> for audio or data?
[03:13] <DmD> anyone know if there's an uptime thing i can add to the panel ?
[03:13] <reD_Rum> both would be nice
[03:14] <reD_Rum> i liked k3b, i have gnomebaker and don't like it. i'll check out graveman
[03:14] <davekempe> hey anyone know if the ubuntu live-cd or installer supports ibm pseries?
[03:14] <bob2> is that a powerpc machine?
[03:15] <daniels> bob2: i think it's the power4/power5 machines
[03:15] <davekempe> its a power5
[03:15] <davekempe> well, the one i have is a power5
[03:16] <davekempe> openpower 720
[03:16] <daniels> davekempe: should work, yeah
[03:16] <davekempe> daniels, - the sarge-netinst-ppc doesn't support it -
[03:17] <davekempe> is the ubuntu image much different?
[03:18] <davekempe> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status
[03:18] <dantheman> i've installed gtweakui, but what's the command to run it?
[03:18] <dantheman> nevermind
[03:18] <dantheman> found it
[03:19] <bob2> davekempe: you might need to select a non-default kernel
[03:19] <davekempe> bob2 - it doesnt even give me a boot prompt
[03:19] <bob2> ouch
[03:20] <daniels> davekempe: hm, no idea then, sorry.
[03:21] <thread> To all who have listend to me complain about my wireless, I have solved it.
[03:21] <tritium> thread, awesome :)
[03:21] <davekempe> yeah it was a bit of a bitch to even get it to boot off the default ibm supplied suse install
[03:21] <thread> Simply switched from shared to open key method on the router... still have no idea what it means, but I can dhcp now :)
[03:23] <scott_> help
[03:23] <tritium> scott_, go ahead and tell us what's wrong, buddy
[03:23] <Nalioth> scott, tell us
[03:23] <bheung> hmm.
[03:24] <Nalioth> must have been critical, eh?
[03:24] <goldfish_> lol
[03:25] <torpid> is there any agp graphics card that also has an hdtv tuner?  all i have available on my small form factor box is an agp slot right now..
[03:25] <torpid> the pci slot is taken up by a sound card.
[03:26] <Boohbah> torpid: only one pci slot and no onboard sound?
[03:27] <ThomasWinwood> It's form factor.
[03:27] <ThomasWinwood> Form factor typically has very few slots.
[03:27] <mindspore> how can i make it so that thumbnails are not generated for video files?
[03:27] <ThomasWinwood> And they don't always have onboard everything.
[03:27] <toresbe> They should :P
[03:28] <ThomasWinwood> It helps. Onboard video sucks ass though.
[03:28] <bob2> well, they sometimes do
[03:28] <bob2> but have terrible on board video and audio
[03:28] <jiyuu0> any idea what this error means?
[03:28] <jiyuu0> No more handles (java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /opt/rssowl_linux_1_1_bin/libswt-mozilla-gtk-3127.so: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[03:28] <thread> dfdfdd
[03:28] <thread> uh whoops
[03:29] <toresbe> well... 3euhsantoehu kadp!! I can't take dvorak much longer
[03:30] <toresbe> It's torture in the beginning
[03:30] <torpid> it has onboard sound.
[03:30] <torpid> Boohbah
[03:30] <torpid> but for professional recording, i am using a 4-input 24-bit 96-khz sound card.
[03:30] <toresbe> ah
[03:30] <torpid> it also has on-board video, but i want good quality
[03:31] <matara> rme is good quality works fine under linux
[03:32] <matara> at st the pci cards
[03:32] <ermanox> ?
[03:33] <ermanox> ?quit
[03:34] <darmou> I'm getting a lot of "return outside function" when trying to install zope2.7 has anyone had this problem and been able to fix it?
[03:35] <darmou> It unpacks in installes but then stuffs up when it tries to complile the python.
[03:36] <matara> jesus updating iinternet explorer  36 updates
[03:36] <matara> witin ubunto
[03:37] <dholmes> Can I download and install i386 packages and run then on AMD64 ubuntu?
[03:37] <toresbe> no
[03:37] <DmD> grr..i'm trying to send a file to someone with xchat but i've already opened the ports on my router and it says :  Closing Upload Connection: Upload Connection Timed Out
[03:37] <Nalioth> i just absolutely love ubuntu
[03:38] <toresbe> Nalioth: Me too :)
[03:38] <Nalioth> just plugged my firewire dvd burner into my iBook, and am burning with no problems
[03:38] <DmD> anyone know what's up with that?
[03:38] <torpid> i love ubuntu as well
[03:38] <torpid> i just decided that i'm not even going to put windows on my new system that i'm using as a home recording studio
[03:38] <darmou> Do I need to remove zope2.7 and try reinstalling it, what should I do to fix this broken package?
[03:38] <matara> maybe try again
[03:39] <ThomasWinwood> DmD: You're using a bad extension to an old protocol to send a file. Upload it to a server and link them.
[03:39] <torpid> i have all the tools i need on ubuntu
[03:39] <DmD> DCC Send Accepted, Connecting...  then it says it timed out
[03:39] <DmD> hmm
[03:39] <ThomasWinwood> IRC was never intended as anything more than a glorified realtime forum.
[03:39] <DmD> and i opened the ports in xchat under preferences
[03:39] <matara> ah maybe the otherparty has some type of ignore on
[03:39] <ThomasWinwood> Filesharing is not to be done by it.
[03:40] <DmD> it's a dcc bot
[03:40] <Nalioth> for all you folks in here sittin on the fence, i've been using linux for 5+ years and this is easily the most user friendly out-of-the-box distro i've encountered
[03:40] <DmD> so maybe it doesn't recongize my host
[03:40] <DmD> marble2
[03:40] <DmD> you are from minnesota?
[03:40] <sig> anyone using xirssi?
[03:40] <George__> hey, need help
[03:40] <George__> i get random freeze when trying to play games
[03:41] <mindspore> i'm from Bumfuk, Idaho
[03:41] <sig> mindspore: me too
[03:41] <sig> lol
[03:41] <George__> i install nvidia driver, searched forum, and i couldn't figure it out. So i come here. Can anyone help?
[03:41] <Burgundavia> George__, what sort of games
[03:41] <bob2> code of conduct, people
[03:41] <Nalioth> mindspore, sig, really? i've driven thru there
[03:41] <mindspore> sig: we should hit the bars sometime.. they're pretty good here, eh?
[03:41] <George__> Americas Army and WOLF ET
[03:41] <sig> where are you at mindspore
[03:41] <mindspore> I lied.. i'm actually from Bumfuk, Nebraska, lol
[03:42] <sig> hahaha
[03:42] <toresbe> George__: The machine or the program?
[03:42] <George__> i don't know
[03:42] <George__> i run wolf et, and it freeze
[03:42] <George__> SOUND is gone, i cant move mouse
[03:42] <bob2> mindspore: please?
[03:42] <George__> same with Americas Army
[03:42] <amaro> anyone here tried installing Kexi? dpkg gives me errors because some of the library names are exactly the same versions.. but, the libraries have the name ubuntu in them, and it kinda doesnt know that they are exactly the same?
[03:42] <mindspore> bo2:: huh?
[03:42] <mindspore> bob2**
[03:43] <toresbe> Hmm. Overheating, perhaps?
[03:43] <bob2> amaro: two packages can't include the same file and be installed at the same time
[03:43] <bob2> amaro: one of them is buggy
[03:43] <ThomasWinwood> Exist-p a rational, balanced comparison of GNOME vs KDE?
[03:43] <George__> No  way
[03:43] <George__> I got good air flow, 8 Plus fans.
[03:43] <George__> didn't overclock
[03:43] <toresbe> wow, impressivep
[03:43] <amaro> bob2, hmmm...
[03:43] <toresbe> .>
[03:43] <George__> i sell computers
[03:43] <amaro>  kexi depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21); however:  Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13.
[03:44] <amaro> errors like this ^^^^
[03:44] <bob2> amaro: so, your "kexi" package isn't from ubuntu
[03:44] <amaro> no
[03:44] <George__> So, any IDEA y it keep being pain in the arse?
[03:44] <XplOzIon> hi
[03:44] <amaro> it isn't
[03:44] <bob2> amaro: it won't work then
[03:44] <amaro> it's for debian
[03:44] <bob2> yes
[03:44] <amaro> so I can't install it?
[03:44] <bob2> correct
[03:45] <toresbe> ahhhh'
[03:45] <toresbe> back on qwerty
[03:45] <amaro> ohhhh :(
[03:45] <toresbe> Man, that feels good
[03:45] <XplOzIon> anyone has installed ETF mod for ET?
[03:45] <flodine> can i play AA with this fps ....12798 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2559.600 FPS
[03:45] <toresbe> George__: Okay, well, what screen card and driver?
[03:45] <toresbe> flodine: Hehe, well, glxgears isn't really a good benchmark anymore
[03:45] <ThomasWinwood> Is there a rational, balanced comparison of GNOME vs KDE? I'm wondering whether it's worth installing KDE.
[03:46] <flodine> ok
[03:46] <flodine> so how do i test it
[03:46] <jp> ThomasWinwoo go to #kubuntu .
[03:46] <George__> I have a IT4200-8X flash bios
[03:46] <bob2> ThomasWinwood: no, there isn't, it's purely a "which do you personally prefer?" question
[03:46] <toresbe> flodine: It used to be when the sort of machines I use were state of the art ;)
[03:46] <George__> I quit Mandriva cuz it's shit
[03:46] <hyphenated> ThomasWinwood: there's plenty of reviews out there, but effectively all of them will be as "fair and balanced" as FOX News
[03:46] <George__> but AA worked fine.
[03:46] <toresbe> George__: That's the spirit :P
[03:46] <XplOzIon> George__, how come?
[03:46] <George__> I AM USING TI4200-8X flashed the bios to TI4800
[03:46] <George__> Using Latest NVIDIA driver
[03:46] <ThomasWinwood> Gawd, I'm tripping into holy-war territory, aren't I?
[03:46] <toresbe> gusbee: hmm.
[03:47] <George__> Xplo: cuz they become company and i paid for le and it sucked
[03:47] <toresbe> ThomasWinwood: most definately :)
[03:47] <bob2> ThomasWinwood: no
[03:47] <hyphenated> ThomasWinwood: kinda, but really, it comes down to which one _you_ like the most
[03:47] <Burgundavia> ThomasWinwood, mostly it is what works for you. I happen to like GNOME. I know many that swear by KDE
[03:47] <digitalfox|afk> ThomasWinwood, it'd be holy war territory if you said that in Mandriva :p
[03:47] <George__> KDE is a peice of GARBAGE
[03:47] <hyphenated> I prefer KDE and use kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[03:47] <George__> Like freaken WINDOWS
[03:47] <bob2> George__: please stop it
[03:47] <daniels> George__: dude, watch it.
[03:47] <Burgundavia> George__, please remember the CoC
[03:47] <XplOzIon> Question: Is there any way to extrac files in a *.run file?
[03:47] <dr_willis> gotta love totally useless oponions. :P
[03:47] <hyphenated> but that's my choice and opinion, not anyone elses
[03:47] <toresbe> ThomasWinwood: In my opinion, GNOME has caught up with, and surpassed KDE, though KDE has not gotten better, just bigger. It was useable before
[03:47] <George__> Any IDeas?
[03:48] <dr_willis> XplOzIon,  totallyt depends on whats in the .run file
[03:48] <George__> What u think i can try?
[03:48] <Crane> Hi, hello , and hiya
[03:48] <toresbe> George__: Update your nVidia drivers, perhaps?
[03:48] <daniels> George__: it's probably an upstream bug in the nvidia drivers
[03:48] <toresbe> Crane: Hey, hi, hello
[03:48] <daniels> toresbe: the ones in hoary are the latest release from nvidia
[03:48] <George__> I said, it's the latest.
[03:48] <toresbe> daniels: hmm, okay
[03:48] <Crane> :)
[03:48] <toresbe> George__: sorry, didn't see that
[03:48] <George__> np man, how do i fix?
[03:49] <daniels> George__: you can't
[03:49] <XplOzIon> dr_willis, well the run file supposed to extrac some files to the lib folder and others to the games folder
[03:49] <daniels> you wait for nvidia to release a fixed driver
[03:49] <toresbe> ThomasWinwood: It follows a sort of ICQ-trail
[03:49] <George__> AH FOOK, NO GAMES!!!
[03:49] <dr_willis> XplOzIon,  and theres proberly a dozen ways it can do that. :P fire it up with an editor and look at it,.
[03:49] <occy> w00p
[03:49] <George__> U SURE?
[03:49] <occy> http://occy.net/printing
[03:49] <George__> how about using ATI?
[03:49] <toresbe> ThomasWinwood: earliest versions were early, later versions were useable, and then later ones were just horribly ugly and bloated
[03:49] <George__> i got the NEW 512 ATI X800 :D
[03:49] <XplOzIon> dr_willis, 300Mb file with text editor?
[03:49] <toresbe> George__: should work if you have an ATI card handy
[03:49] <occy> check it out boys(and girls) if you want to Share a printer.
[03:49] <toresbe> George__: neat.
[03:50] <Crane> problem with a game?
[03:50] <George__> yeah, switch to my other machine. Sadly it's a freaken P4
[03:50] <George__> Yes
[03:50] <George__> 2 games: AA and Wolf Et
[03:50] <XplOzIon> im having problem installing ETF mod for enemy-territory :(
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> what is the command to rename a file
[03:50] <George__> Both of them when trying to connect, i freeze, when in i get no sound, and it freezez
[03:50] <George__> right click on file and rename?
[03:51] <Crane> did you install them as a user or root? (su)
[03:51] <George__> me?
[03:51] <George__> su
[03:51] <George__> then
[03:51] <George__> cd /home/steven
[03:51] <hybrid_goth> through the command line macs dont have right clicks
[03:51] <George__> sh army.run
[03:51] <George__> sh wolfet.run
[03:51] <XplOzIon> Why this? /home/xplozion/.setup12151: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:51] <hyphenated> hybrid_goth: you "move" a file to a new name, rather than renaming it
[03:51] <George__> Xplo Google it?
[03:51] <XplOzIon> George__, already did
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> hyphenated: ok ty
[03:52] <Crane> so you were root? su <---you enabled root account
[03:52] <sbcl3> how do you extract a tar.gz?
[03:52] <XplOzIon> George__, cant find anything like my problem
[03:52] <dr_willis> tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
[03:52] <^thehatsrule^> sbcl3, tar zxvf
[03:52] <chavo> XplOzIon, you need to install gtk-1.2
[03:52] <bob2> XplOzIon: install the libgtk1.2 package
[03:53] <XplOzIon> bob2, is that so? so its like this: sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2
[03:53] <Crane> so did you run the as root (sudo) or user?
[03:53] <bob2> XplOzIon: how ever you normally install packages
[03:53] <bob2> that will work, tho
[03:53] <XplOzIon> bob2, thanks
[03:53] <XplOzIon> i thoug i already had it
[03:53] <ThomasWinwood> I'm going to install KDE now. If I like it then I switch permanently to Kubuntu. If not, I stick with GNOME.
[03:54] <DmD> can i try to send someone a file on xchat?  i wanna see if it works now..
[03:54] <XplOzIon> DmD, suree go ahead
[03:54] <DmD> alrighy ty
[03:55] <DmD> did you get anything yet?
[03:55] <XplOzIon> yup screen dialog
[03:55] <Crane> I got a cold
[03:55] <Crane> tlol
[03:55] <XplOzIon> DmD, not sending anything tho
[03:55] <matara> go ahead send me
[03:55] <DmD> really
[03:55] <revelater> anyone here know how to make gkrellm2 transparent?
[03:55] <DmD> wtf
[03:55] <DmD> i have my ports opened
[03:56] <XplOzIon> :/
[03:56] <DmD> what else could be wrong w/ it?
[03:56] <XplOzIon> DmD, port 3001
[03:57] <DmD> you think maybe i need to restart?
[03:58] <nate_> howdy folks
[03:58] <DmD> DCC SEND Crossfade-Crossfade-2004.tar.gz to XplOzIon timed out - aborting.
[03:58] <DmD> damnit
[03:58] <XplOzIon> DmD, dont know, are you using a firewall? firestarter?
[03:58] <DmD> not a firewall
[03:58] <DmD> i never configured one on Linux
[03:58] <DmD> i'm behind a router
[03:58] <nate_> iptables = firewall
[03:58] <DmD> and i configured my ports though
[03:58] <XplOzIon> i see
[03:58] <DmD> hmm
[03:59] <nate_> hmmm, i want to do something interesting now....
[03:59] <XplOzIon> nate_, and what would that be?
[03:59] <XplOzIon> DmD, let me try to send you something
[03:59] <nate_> XplOzIon: no idea, I think i'm gonna work on a website
[04:00] <DmD> alright, thanks
[04:00] <XplOzIon> nate_, oh you mean a design?
[04:00] <XplOzIon> nate_, or something like that? php code?
[04:00] <nate_> XplOzIon: no, already designed, I just need the information to fill it up.
[04:00] <XplOzIon> nate_, oh hehe ok
[04:00] <nate_> XplOzIon: oh, I need to code in a music player, but thats pretty easy
[04:00] <mindspore> how do I kill "uninterruptable" processes?
[04:00] <nate_> XplOzIon: and thats for another day
[04:01] <XplOzIon> bob2, hey thanks, now it works
[04:02] <XplOzIon> is there any seen script here?
[04:03] <DmD> hey Q
[04:05] <bob2> X7C: no
[04:05] <bob2> bah
[04:05] <X7C> what?
[04:06] <George__> IS there a wAy to get GAMES to work in UBUNtu?
[04:06] <Nalioth> howdy, thegreedyturtle how is it going?
[04:06] <hybrid_goth> George: what kid of games
[04:06] <bob2> George__: please try to spell correctly
[04:06] <mindspore> George__, that's a bit vague
[04:07] <Nalioth> George__, is your keyboard healthy?
[04:07] <bob2> George__: there are lots of games available
[04:07] <George__> Americas Army, and Wolf ET................
[04:07] <bob2> George__: do you mean "Is there a way to run windows games on Ubuntu?"?
[04:07] <George__> Most of my games are ISO, Bin and CUe because i dont waste money buying
[04:07] <mindspore> George__, check Cedega
[04:07] <George__> No Bob2. Cedega
[04:07] <George__> i know!
[04:07] <bob2> oh god
[04:07] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:07] <George__> wolf et linux, americas army linux
[04:07] <bob2> this is not a support channel for you to play games you've ripped off the internet
[04:07] <George__> duh..
[04:07] <paxmaster> there is Wolf ET for linux
[04:07] <George__> yeah and AA for Linux
[04:08] <bob2> if yo have problems with winex, go to #cedega
[04:08] <bob2> presumably you at least paid for that
[04:08] <George__> i never did
[04:08] <George__> no
[04:08] <bob2> oh, good on you
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> heh
[04:08] <mindspore> ll
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> bob2: where can i get some of those gnu warez?
[04:08] <hybrid_goth> rofl
[04:08] <George__> So is this Xorgconfig that's screwing me up?
[04:08] <mindspore> hehe
[04:08] <George__> i work for HOODLUM, and MYTHCREW
[04:08] <stuNNed> bob2: hi, is there way to get mp3 support in Sound Juicer?
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> who?
[04:09] <mindspore> George__, I doubt that very much
[04:09] <bob2> stuNNed: find the gstreamer lame plugin
[04:09] <paxmaster> how could i run application in the command line as root
[04:09] <George__> YEAH i dl most of their games, and help winrar em
[04:09] <bob2> George__: final warning
[04:09] <hybrid_goth> bob2: no warez ? :'( :P
[04:09] <stuNNed> bob2: ok thanks, i'd rather use ogg or flac by my portable doesn't support it
[04:09] <bob2> paxmaster: sudo applicationame
[04:09] <George__> He dont tell me
[04:09] <George__> JEEE
[04:09] <mindspore> George__, what exactly is your problem?
[04:09] <bob2> stuNNed: I'm not sure if it's available anywhere anymore, but it used to be in marillat's repository
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> stuNNed: ogg rules
[04:10] <paxmaster> ok
[04:10] <darkaudit> time for the Stark Fist of Removal...
[04:10] <George__> AA AND WOLF ET KEEP FREEZING. i connect to server, it freeze. No sound, and No mouse, and No keyboard
[04:10] <hybrid_goth> whats stark fist
[04:10] <darkaudit> those with slack know :)
[04:10] <stuNNed> bob2: 'gstreamer0.8-lame is already the newest version.' <-is this the one you're talking about?
[04:11] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, come on your remember the comic book that never was "Stark Fist of Removal" ??!!
[04:11] <mindspore> George__, the game starts up at first?
[04:11] <bob2> stuNNed: yeah
[04:11] <George__> Yeah
[04:11] <hybrid_goth> George__ : wow it takes your keyboard and mouse awesome can you get it back or does it keep them permantly
[04:11] <George__> when connecting
[04:11] <hybrid_goth> ahhah
[04:11] <George__> what?  hybrid?
[04:11] <mindspore> graphics drivers up to date?
[04:11] <hybrid_goth> no b4 my time
[04:11] <George__> yes
[04:11] <George__> just updated them today :D
[04:11] <Nalioth> heh, think bob2 will be using a rolled up copy here purty quick
[04:11] <hybrid_goth> George__ : you said it took you keyboard and mouse so do you have to buy new ones everytime that happens
[04:12] <George__> hybrid_goth, stop fukin around?
[04:12] <stuNNed> bob2: what is 'hoary-extras' repo?
[04:12] <mindspore> lol
[04:12] <bob2> come on, this is an english-speaking channel, not a leet-speak one
[04:12] <hybrid_goth> George__ : yes master ubergeek sir
[04:12] <George__> lol
[04:12] <hybrid_goth> hahaha
[04:12] <bob2> seriously
[04:12] <George__> THis is NVIDIA Fault?
[04:12] <George__> bob2 losen up?
[04:12] <bob2> George__: Fix your keyboard.
[04:12] <mindspore> wh4t, l337 i5 4acc3pt4b|3 sp33ch
[04:13] <bob2> George__: you're being highly annoying
[04:13] <George__> BS
[04:13] <bob2> and your terrible typing is but one part of that
[04:13] <George__> ahhahahhaha, k k
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> minspore: heh
[04:13] <George__> game freezing happening to anyone else?
[04:13] <hybrid_goth> mindspore: talk about *headache*
[04:14] <mindspore> nope George: you must've downloaded a corrupt copy
[04:14] <George__> K found problem
[04:14] <George__> It's something to do with the driver.
[04:14] <darkaudit> PEBKAC...
[04:14] <stuNNed> bob2: does a 'hoary-extras' repo exist?
[04:14] <hybrid_goth> George__ : drivers are in restricted
[04:14] <George__> I have a Slackware machine, with older driver, and aa work fine (using same 1 i did on ubuntu). wow
[04:14] <darkaudit> stuNNed: in backports, I believe
[04:14] <hybrid_goth> darkaudit: roflmfao
[04:14] <George__> how do i get older driveR?
[04:15] <stuNNed> darkaudit: ah, backports ok
[04:15] <bob2> stuNNed: not that I know of
[04:15] <Nalioth> i want one of those keyboards
[04:15] <bob2> gah, please don't use backports
[04:15] <hybrid_goth> lol
[04:15] <stuNNed> bob2: ok
[04:15] <daniels> George__: note 'with older driver'
[04:15] <stuNNed> thanks guys
[04:15] <nate_> i compete using nvidia's drivers, so, they work
[04:15] <Nalioth> the 0nes wiTh thE unstAble foNts
[04:15] <daniels> George__: that means exactly what we've been telling you for a while -- it's a problem in the nvidia drivers that you'll have to wait for them to fix
[04:16] <George__> WAA, i can't get older 1?
[04:16] <daniels> nate_: doesn't mean they work in every situation with every combination of hardware
[04:16] <daniels> George__: you can download them yourself from nvidia.com
[04:16] <George__> that will HELp Me
[04:16] <George__> y not
[04:16] <darkaudit> George__: you'll probably break far mor than you'll fix
[04:16] <nate_> daniels: awwww, they should! ;)
[04:16] <darkaudit> s/mor/more
[04:16] <George__> break?
[04:16] <darkaudit> as in stuff not working anymore
[04:16] <George__> dont try this?
[04:17] <George__> so just wait?
[04:17] <daniels> George__: i don't know if you know how hard maintaining this sort of thing is (i suspect not), but providing one version is hard enough, let alone multiple versions, which is more or less impossible
[04:17] <drcode> hi all
[04:17] <daniels> in any case, it's off-topic for #ubuntu.  try asking in #nvidia.
[04:17] <George__> yeah k, DANIELS damn SORRY
[04:17] <drcode> can I connect my X server like I do in cygwin xwin but in linux?
[04:17] <drcode> I Did ssh -X
[04:17] <drcode> what I need to do next?
[04:18] <Nalioth> maybe a run on "Stark Fist of Removal", heh heh
[04:18] <bob2> iron fist, more like it
[04:19] <Nalioth> bob2, its your fist, you can describe it best
[04:19] <darmou> does anyone know how to take apart a deb package and put it back together again?
[04:19] <[RR] Sean> i think you can make debian packages with alien
[04:19] <darkaudit> darmou: what do you hope to achieve by this?
[04:20] <darmou> I want to alter the postinst script so I can install zope2.7
[04:20] <bob2> you don't need to repack it then
[04:20] <bob2> just edit them from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and run 'dpkg --configure zopewhatever'
[04:21] <stuNNed> bob2: should i run gst-register-0.8 as root or normal user?  i think as root no?
[04:22] <mr_roboto> away
[04:22] <bob2> I don't know
[04:22] <Marble2> how can I refresh my network interfaces?
[04:22] <Marble2> I just had a power outage and my internet won't work
[04:22] <andrewski> Marble2: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:22] <stuNNed> bob2: yep as root i think they said in #gstreamer at onepoint
[04:23] <Marble2> thanks
[04:23] <andrewski> i'm on linux (using samba); my roommate is on windows.  is there any way for him to 'sync' my shared folder on his computer?
[04:24] <andrewski> Marble2: my router's flaky; i run that command a few times a week. :P
[04:24] <bob2> mr_roboto_AWAY: please turn that off
[04:24] <darmou> thanks that did the trick
[04:24] <andrewski> mr_roboto_AWAY: don't send annoying messages like that. O_o
[04:24] <Marble2> thanks andrewski
[04:24] <Marble2> that worked
[04:24] <stuNNed> mr_roboto: hahahaha
[04:24] <bob2> andrewski: you could use rsync
[04:24] <mr_roboto> sorry, trying to figure out this irc client
[04:24] <bob2> andrewski: but you don't need samba for that
[04:25] <andrewski> bob2: he wants to sync, not i.
[04:25] <bob2> rsync runs on windows
[04:25] <bob2> as well as anything runs on windows
[04:25] <andrewski> bob2: ah... of course. :)
[04:25] <andrewski> bob2: ok, i'll check it out.
[04:25] <andrewski> bob2: as usual, thanks.  [tips metaphorical hat] 
[04:25] <bob2> darkaudit: can you turn that off please?
[04:25] <bob2> andrewski: np
[04:26] <darkaudit> 'k
[04:29] <mythtv> is anyone familar with following error
[04:29] <mythtv> Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authenti cation protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[04:31] <regeya> doopity doo
[04:32] <regeya> interesting.
[04:32] <regeya> beagle either doesn't index or refuses to display results on hidden folders.
[04:32] <stuNNed> bob2: is marillat's repo still necessary for some things in hoary?
[04:33] <bob2> stuNNed: depends how you define neccessary
[04:33] <stuNNed> regeya: beagle here doesn't index some logfiles when it indexes others of the exact same name in another dir
[04:33] <stuNNed> bob2: i mean like still active
[04:33] <regeya> hm.
[04:33] <bob2> it still exists
[04:33] <stuNNed> ok muchas gracias
[04:34] <mythtv> this seems to happen when I start the backend for mythtv if anyone is familar
[04:34] <user_>  RX packets:1202 errors:432 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:728 <- what this mean?
[04:35] <stuNNed> bob2: on the wiki they are saying use 'hoary-extras' from backports for restricted formats...
[04:35] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, either is crack
[04:35] <Burgundavia> but at the hoary-extras is Ubuntu crack
[04:35] <bob2> stuNNed: lots of crazy people put things on the wiki
[04:35] <bob2> stuNNed: what page is this?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:36] <Burgundavia> now mentions the hoary-extras
[04:36] <Burgundavia> rather than marilliat
[04:36] <stuNNed> bob2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats crazyness
[04:37] <user_>  RX packets:1202 errors:432 <- what this mean? dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:728
[04:37] <tritium> some people have mistaken hoary-extras (and backports in general) as official repositories
[04:38] <stuNNed> would rather use marrilat than hoary-extras, no?
[04:38] <Burgundavia> I have found the edit but not the person who made it
[04:38] <bob2> yeah, zwiki is rather shit in that regard
[04:38] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, if I were to chose my crack, I would use the hoary-extras, as they have been built for hoary
[04:39] <metalsand> Bob2: I recently installed the hostap drivers for my Prism 2 wireless NIC (PCMCIA card)
[04:39] <guruff> what's up :)
[04:39] <Burgundavia> I want history like this --> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history
[04:39] <metalsand> and when I restarted my card was gone from the network setings GUI and iwconfig
[04:39] <metalsand> What do you recommend I do?
[04:40] <svitlana> ...
[04:40] <torpid> intel extreme graphics 2, my onboard graphics, is pretty lame right?
[04:40] <metalsand> torpid, I have that and it sucks :/
[04:41] <torpid> heh heh
[04:41] <torpid> gotcha
[04:41] <metalsand> I think the latest hardware support is DX7.0
[04:41] <metalsand> Can't even load HL2/CS:S
[04:41] <metalsand> Even with 512 megs of RAM and a 1.6 Centrino
[04:41] <torpid> is there any agp graphics card i can get (that works in linux) that has hdtv tuner?
[04:41] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: and that is mediawiki's history engine :D
[04:41] <sir-gold> metalsand how did you install hostap?
[04:41] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: ok, i'll go with the better crack
[04:42] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, if only mediawiki were python
[04:42] <metalsand> sir-gold: a .deb
[04:42] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, if it were, it would be great. Actively developed, and actively supported (as one of the nets biggest sites runs on it)
[04:42] <metalsand> Extracted, make install...
[04:42] <bob2> or if wiki.u.c used moin
[04:42] <metalsand> Modprobe detects know errors for the hostap drivers
[04:43] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: why does it have to be python?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> bob2, mediawiki still kicks the crap out of any other wiki engine
[04:43] <metalsand> I've LITERALLY been trying to get this configured for 4 days, and about 10 full hours devoted
[04:43] <sir-gold> metalsand i did the same thing without problems, this is the instructions i used (ignore the part about firmware): http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DLinkDWL520E1
[04:43] <sir-gold> i have a netgear ma401
[04:44] <metalsand> For which card?
[04:44] <metalsand> Ah.
[04:44] <metalsand> Prism chipset?
[04:44] <sir-gold> yes
[04:44] <stuNNed> hell, even ximian uses mediawiki
[04:44] <sir-gold> i did it to get kismet to work
[04:44] <Burgundavia> however, mediawiki is PHP
[04:44] <Burgundavia> and PHP is somewhat evil, security wise
[04:44] <mike998> akota/q
[04:45] <metalsand> Ah... All I want is to get my card configured with kismet
[04:45] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: there is hardenedphp patch...http://www.hardened-php.net/
[04:45] <sir-gold> the only problem with the instructions is that you have to do it again every time you replace the kernel
[04:46] <sir-gold> oh, and just a hint, once you get host installed, you have to run 'ifconfig wlan0 up' before kismet will load all the way
[04:46] <sir-gold> hostap
[04:46] <sir-gold> took me an hour to figure that out
[04:46] <jordanau> my clock is not auto updating from the time servers, how do i make it do it automatically?
[04:46] <mebaran151> anyone here know ruby
[04:46] <mebaran151> out 487 people
[04:47] <mebaran151> it has to be true
[04:47] <sir-gold> i think 480 of them are bots
[04:47] <mebaran151> haha
[04:47] <tritium> just idlers
[04:47] <goldfish_> lol
[04:47] <goldfish_> screened in prolly
[04:47] <goldfish_> or idle
[04:47] <goldfish_> well or both
[04:49] <metalsand> sir-gold
[04:49] <metalsand> I haven't done that lol
[04:49] <metalsand> and I've been trying to get it to work sicne I installed hostap for like 2 hours
[04:49] <mebaran151> http://rafb.net/paste/results/XRyk8Q51.html
[04:49] <metalsand> sir-gold: How often do new kernels come out?
[04:50] <sir-gold> no idea, i installed kubuntu a few days ago
[04:50] <tritium> metalsand, after a release, only when there are security updates, so not too often
[04:50] <sir-gold> sarge has a newer kernel version, so i imagine there will be a new one in ubuntu soon
[04:50] <alexw> can somebody tell me how to install enlightenment e17 through apt-get
[04:51] <tritium> alexw, only e16 is in the repositories
[04:52] <alexw> how do i search the repositories
[04:52] <tritium> alexw, e.g., apt-cache search enlightenment
[04:52] <alexw> k
[04:52] <metalsand> Synaptic, alexw
[04:52] <alexw> i tried synaptic
[04:52] <metalsand> Text is better, I guess
[04:52] <alexw> it only shows e16
[04:52] <amaro> I found the most awesome wallpaper
[04:53] <amaro> :D
[04:53] <stuNNed> amaro: plz share
[04:53] <amaro> it's tokyo city at night
[04:53] <amaro> are you into that?
[04:53] <stuNNed> amaro: dunno til i see it
[04:53] <stuNNed> amaro: is there url for it?
[04:54] <amaro> http://kitoutpost.com/wallpapers_page/calendar/tts_2002/july2002_1280_non.jpg
[04:54] <amaro> yeah
[04:54] <amaro> I removed the text with GIMP... and I love it
[04:56] <torpid> does anyone know of a linux supported agp card with an hdtv tuner on it?
[04:56] <torpid> with a dvi output?
[04:56] <Nalioth> amaro, quite striking
[04:57] <amaro> Nalioth, yeah, very.. and it's so clear and sharp
[04:57] <Nalioth> amaro, i like distinctive wallies
[04:58] <mebaran151> l non-recoginized methods to an internal array?
[04:58] <DmD> hey, i'm trying to install a plugin for xchat and it's in a .tar.gz...how would i install it?
[04:58] <mebaran151> sorry
[04:58] <mebaran151> whoops wrong place
[04:59] <torpid> tar xvf blah.tar.gz i think..
[04:59] <torpid> something like that
[04:59] <locdog> hello all
[04:59] <Nalioth> howdy locdog
[04:59] <dr_willis> Hmm
[05:00] <dr_willis> tar xzvf foo.tar.gz
[05:00] <^thehatsrule^> x for extract :P
[05:00] <dr_willis> torpid,  and the only video cards with tv tuners ive seen allready on them  are the ati all in wonders.. but i would not reccomend them for linux.
[05:00] <amaro> I always get mixed up by j and z for gz and bz2
[05:00] <dr_willis> v for verbose
[05:01] <DmD> alright i got the dir on my destko
[05:01] <DmD> desktop even
[05:01] <dr_willis> f for file :P
[05:01] <DmD> then in the readme it says
[05:01] <tritium> torpid, I've only seen pci, such as this: http://www.pchdtv.com/
[05:01] <mindspore> how do I kill an "uninterruptable" process?
[05:01] <DmD> Place the away.conf and hideaway.conf files in the .xchat directory in
[05:01] <DmD>         your home directory or wherever xchat keeps it's data files. Edit them
[05:01] <DmD>         to your liking.
[05:01] <DmD> it's an away perl script..
[05:01] <sysrq> DmD: this really isn't ubuntu related, perhaps you should be asking in xchat's channel
[05:01] <DmD> alright, sorry ;p
[05:02] <dr_willis> its saying copy the files over. :P how hard is that. lol
[05:02] <torpid> i don't have another pci slot
[05:02] <dr_willis> it /home/username/.xchat2 by the way
[05:02] <mindspore> how do I kill an "uninterruptable" process?
[05:02] <dr_willis> and away scripts are very ANNYOING  :P  i suggest ya dont bother with it.
[05:03] <user_> dd
[05:03] <goldfish_> they are indeed
[05:03] <locdog> how do I install limewire?
[05:03] <locdog> on ubuntu..
[05:03] <mindspore> locdog: ubuntuguide.org
[05:03] <goldfish_> wont annoyes me is the changing of a nick with BRB at the end
[05:03] <mebaran151> locdog, for shame
[05:03] <amaro> "computer, install limewire"
[05:03] <goldfish_> *what
[05:03] <dr_willis> limewire uses the java runtimes - so that needs to be installed.
[05:04] <dr_willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/  for a start.
[05:04] <locdog> there are no rpm's for ubunyu?  I am a mandrake user,
[05:04] <locdog> new to gnome from kde
[05:04] <dr_willis> get java going. then go to the limewire homepage and get its installers.
[05:04] <hyphenated> locdog: ubuntu is based on debian, so it uses .deb's instead of .rpm's
[05:04] <amaro> locdog, no, you will find .deb's
[05:04] <goldfish_> locdog: ubuntu uses .deb files
[05:04] <amaro> not .rpm's
[05:04] <locdog> unbuntu sorry
[05:04] <thechitowncubs> Is the backport repo down?
[05:04] <goldfish_> you can convert .rpm's to .deb using alien
[05:04] <mindspore> you can convert rpms to deb with alien
[05:05] <goldfish_> hehe
[05:05] <amaro> and to install .deb's all you have to do is type:        dpkg -i thefilename.deb
[05:05] <mindspore> goldfish_, jinx, lol
[05:05] <goldfish_> mindspore: Tip my two heels :)
[05:05] <dr_willis> but one should rarely need to use dpkg that way. :P
[05:06] <locdog> um, ok
[05:06] <locdog> thank you
[05:06] <goldfish_> yep you can apt-get most stuff
[05:06] <amaro> dr_willis, can you please be more detailed... I don't want to learn the wrong things
[05:06] <user_>  RX packets:1202 errors:432 <- what this mean?
[05:07] <tritium> amaro, usually, you don't need to install the package manually with dpkg.  Rather, you use apt-get to retreive & install it.
[05:07] <dr_willis> amaro - you normally use 'apt-get install whatever' you rarely need to download individule .deb's
[05:07] <dr_willis> :P
[05:07] <dr_willis> yea what tritium said.
[05:07] <dr_willis> :P
[05:08] <amaro> hehehe... one of you is psychic
[05:09] <thechitowncubs> anyone having problems with the backports repo?
[05:09] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: it's a bit slow
[05:10] <thechitowncubs> stunned: i can't seem to connect at all
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> i can retrieve the package list but not the pacakges
[05:11] <stuNNed> thechitowncubs: i'm at 15k/s with it :D
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> oh wait, i think im connected
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> 31kb
[05:11] <thechitowncubs> :)
[05:12] <ranktum> why isn't ubuntu making the distrowatch december list
[05:12] <ranktum> ?
[05:12] <Burgundavia> ranktum, say again?
[05:12] <bob2> distrowatch doesn't really relate to anything in the real world
[05:12] <ranktum> Is it because it has gained the majority of people this year?
[05:12] <ranktum> just a sec.. let me show you
[05:13] <Burgundavia> distrowatch is distrowatch
[05:13] <Burgundavia> easily gamed
[05:13] <dr_willis> December?
[05:13] <ranktum> sorry, I made a mistake
[05:13] <thechitowncubs> I'm sure ubuntu is doing better than it says on "distrowatch"
[05:13] <ranktum> not distrowatch
[05:13] <ranktum> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2127420238.html
[05:13] <thechitowncubs> even though it is topping the list
[05:13] <dr_willis> it was #1 and #2  last i looked.
[05:13] <Burgundavia> there are lies, damn lies, and statistics
[05:13] <dr_willis> that was # of downloads perhaps i saw
[05:13] <Burgundavia> that is number 3
[05:14] <bob2> isn't distrowatch based on votes or something?
[05:14] <bob2> then it's not even statistics, it's just whatever people fanboy the most
[05:14] <ranktum> all we need to do now is overtake mandrake
[05:14] <ranktum> and we're done
[05:15] <dr_willis> hmm - there is no mandrake now? its like Mandrivle ?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> bob2, distrowatch is page views
[05:15] <anathema> yeah
[05:15] <Burgundavia> bob2, one per day per IP
[05:15] <anathema> mandriva
[05:15] <bob2> hahaha
[05:15] <torpid> once again i humbly ask, does anyone know of an agp graphics card with an hdtv tuner and dvi output that works in linux?
[05:15] <anathema> they are tapping into the metrosexual audiance
[05:15] <bob2> torpid: try asking on the user list, or on some linux video mailing list
[05:15] <Burgundavia> to be clear, page views of distrowatch distro pages
[05:16] <Burgundavia> not ubuntu.com
[05:16] <thechitowncubs> hehe
[05:16] <ranktum> ubuntu is tapping into poor people
[05:16] <bob2> that seems remarkably silly
[05:16] <ranktum> hehehe
[05:16] <anathema> afaik, your firefox doesnt report your distro
[05:16] <anathema> it must be on votes or somrhitn
[05:16] <dr_willis> torpid - ATI all in wonder cards MAY work..
[05:17] <Burgundavia> distrowatch does get huge numbers of hits
[05:17] <dr_willis> torpid - they are the only video+TVtuner cards i know of.
[05:17] <hyphenated> anathema: in firefox, put "about:" in the URL box, and see what comes up
[05:17] <ranktum> ohh you reminded me
[05:17] <ranktum> I still didnt do the firefox speed up thing
[05:17] <hyphenated> anathema: they _could_ base it off user-agent, but it's a silly way to do things
[05:17] <anathema> ah yeah
[05:17] <anathema> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050405 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[05:17] <metalsand> anathema: :(
[05:18] <metalsand> I'm still here, and still haven't gotten my card to work :(
[05:18] <anathema> hahah poor metalsand
[05:18] <bob2> well, silliness is relative, when they're actually going by how many people happen to view a particular page
[05:18] <metalsand> Seriously, Linux has no support.
[05:18] <anathema> you will never succeed!
[05:18] <bob2> metalsand: I don't see your question on the list yet
[05:18] <bob2> metalsand: what email address did you send it from?
[05:18] <hyphenated> metalsand: who do you call when your card doesn't work in windows?
[05:18] <Burgundavia> the rate limit to one vote per day per IP is also good
[05:18] <Burgundavia> hyphenated, the manufacturer
[05:18] <torpid> i cannot find an all-in-wonder card that just has dvi output, hdtv tuner input, and is agp
[05:18] <sir-gold> he call bill gates on the red phone
[05:19] <sir-gold> calls
[05:19] <metalsand> hyphenated: I don't. I find the drivers on the manufacture's website, double click the .exe, click next, click next, click finish. Then it works
[05:19] <bob2> metalsand: or have you not asked yet?
[05:19] <sir-gold> metalsand did you look at the page i posted?
[05:19] <metalsand> No, bob2
[05:19] <bob2> I have been suggesting this for 4 days now
[05:19] <hyphenated> metalsand: if it didn't work, what would you do?
[05:19] <bob2> metalsand: then do so
[05:19] <dr_willis> torpid,  thats odd. perhaps ati have given up on them.. of course they would be about a $300 card.
[05:19] <metalsand> Where do I post, bob2
[05:19] <metalsand> I haven't seen this
[05:19] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: what is your card?
[05:19] <bob2> complaining that irc isn't helpful is like complaining that eating puppies gives you indigestion
[05:19] <metalsand> Senao SL 2511 PLUS EXT 2
[05:19] <bob2> metalsand: http://lists/ubuntu.com/
[05:19] <Razor-X> how long does it take to resize a 40 GB NTFS partition? (subtract 5.5 GB)
[05:20] <mindspore> bob2: lol
[05:20] <anathema> i submitted a bug to bugzilla about the mod4 thing not wokring properly in gnome.....metacity seems to catch it because window operations work, but stuff like opening your home dir etc dont work
[05:20] <anathema> using the windows key as a mod4 modifier
[05:20] <metalsand> Eating puppies is probably a high source of protient and nutrients, I'm sure (assuming the puppies themselves are healthy) that your indegestine would be minimal.
[05:21] <metalsand> bob2: You rock.
[05:21] <metalsand> Except, not.
[05:21] <metalsand> :(
[05:21] <sir-gold> metalsand. i just found this: Some of the new Senao 2511 cards are now built around the Prism3 chipset, this one, though newer, has less sensitivity (weaker than a Orinoco card/Hermes chipset). Furthemore, some of the Linux drivers may be fooled by the new chipset and won't let your run Kismet.
[05:21] <mindspore> no, I rock.
[05:21] <metalsand> sir-gold: I made sure mine isn't.
[05:21] <stuNNed> bob2 _is_ the rock.
[05:21] <metalsand> From Seattle Wireless, right?
[05:21] <sir-gold> yeah
[05:21] <torpid> dr_willis i'm sure they are out there, i just can't find them.
[05:21] <torpid> i can't do a search that turns up anything helpful.
[05:21] <anathema> metalsand, should have looked at the list of wireless cards that work in linux before buying :D
[05:22] <metalsand> Yeah. I've done an assload of research, gone through like 7 different people, gone through 3 FULL HowTos
[05:22] <dr_willis> torpid,  try the ati homepage? :P
[05:22] <metalsand> And I'm worse off when I started
[05:22] <metalsand> My card doesn't even show up in ifconfig now
[05:22] <bob2> going through howtos won't help
[05:22] <anathema> it shouldnt
[05:22] <sir-gold> anathema, its a prism2 card, it is supported
[05:22] <Razor-X> I repeat, how long does it take to resize a 40 GB NTFS partition to 34.5 GB?
[05:22] <metalsand> bob2: Irony much?
[05:22] <anathema> metalsand, ifconfig is not for wireless lans
[05:22] <anathema> iwconfig is
[05:22] <bob2> Razor-X: if no one answers, it's because no one knows
[05:22] <bob2> Razor-X: just try it and see
[05:22] <metalsand> ifconfig still shows the devices
[05:22] <bob2> anathema: er, yes it is
[05:22] <anathema> is it?
[05:22] <metalsand> I'm familar with iwconfig
[05:22] <bob2> metalsand: no irony
[05:22] <dr_willis> torpid,  i do belive there was a new USB tv tuner card that was to have full Linux support.
[05:22] <anathema> i always used iwconfig anyways
[05:22] <verden01> anyone got 3D working with their Ati Radeon card?
[05:22] <anathema> heh
[05:22] <bob2> metalsand: first, does linux support your card at all?
[05:23] <metalsand> Trust me, I've ran the command over 500 times these last 4 days.
[05:23] <Razor-X> bob2: well, I have a good reason to ask, but, I was hoping that if I reiterate someone would know
[05:23] <anathema> verden01, yes
[05:23] <bob2> verden01: thousands of people
[05:23] <dr_willis> verden01,  i have in the past on my ati9700
[05:23] <metalsand> bob2: Yes, surprisingly it's a very popular card.
[05:23] <anathema> 9800 pro going strong
[05:23] <bob2> metalsand: and what chipset is it?
[05:23] <ranktum> I have an ati9700 pro
[05:23] <Razor-X> time is teh answer to whether i'll install Ubuntu today, or tomorrow
[05:23] <ranktum> and im scared to even try
[05:23] <Razor-X> *the
[05:23] <metalsand> bob2: prism 2
[05:23] <sir-gold> wlan0 is still a network interface, ifconfig should still show it
[05:23] <Razor-X> *tomorrow or teh day after
[05:23] <verden01> well i've read a howto but its for xf86 not xorg?
[05:23] <metalsand> That's what I said, sir-gold.
[05:23] <dr_willis> ubuntu was the easiest disrto ive seen to get the card working.
[05:23] <bob2> verden01: then ignore that howto
[05:23] <anathema> verden01, sec ill find out a step by step
[05:23] <bob2> verden01: what card do you have?
[05:23] <verden01> cool
[05:24] <metalsand> And, for the record... My PCMCIA slot AND the card both work, I've ran them in Windows
[05:24] <anathema> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:24] <anathema> go there verden01
[05:24] <metalsand> and, it took me about 3 minutes to get it configured. But hey, don't bash me... I'm still here after 15 hours
[05:24] <bob2> anathema: no, that depends on what card it is
[05:24] <verden01> Radeon 9600xt
[05:24] <anathema> make SURE to instal the restricted packages
[05:24] <metalsand> Obviously there's something appealing about Linux
[05:24] <anathema> oh well, if its a 9500 or more that wil work
[05:24] <bob2> metalsand: have you posted your question yet?
[05:24] <sir-gold> metalsand, the challenge
[05:24] <anathema> sorry shouldnt have assumed that
[05:24] <metalsand> bob2: On Forbes?
[05:24] <metalsand> No.
[05:24] <bob2> metalsand: er? on the mailing list.
[05:24] <verden01> thanx
[05:25] <metalsand> Nope, where can I find it?
[05:25] <anathema> just run..
[05:25] <Quest-Master> metalsand: Tried the forums as well?
[05:25] <anathema> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:25] <anathema> then
[05:25] <anathema> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:25] <bob2> metalsand: I've told you 3 times now.  http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[05:25] <anathema> then
[05:25] <anathema> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:25] <anathema> then run
[05:25] <anathema> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:25] <metalsand> bpb2: Which ones do you recommend I sign up for?
[05:25] <anathema> then reboot
[05:25] <dr_willis> torpid,  http://ati.com/products/radeonx800/aiwx800xt/specs.html    - it says its agp. i think they also got a pcix version also.. but thats a HIGH doller card.
[05:25] <anathema> and it will work
[05:25] <Quest-Master> metalsand: http://www.ubuntuforums.org <-- ask here as well
[05:26] <bob2> metalsand: the user list.
[05:26] <anathema> dr_willis, NOT pciX
[05:26] <anathema> pciE
[05:26] <anathema> big diff
[05:26] <anathema> heh
[05:26] <dr_willis> torpid,  or --> http://www.computers4sure.com/product.asp?productid=1782082&affid=10000483
[05:27] <dr_willis> torpid,  but how well the tv tuner is supported is what ya need to learn.
[05:27] <NickVara> Hello... I'm having problems getting my wireless network card to work. I've looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiTroubleshooting, but still can't seem to figure this out (I'm still quite new to Linux...) Any suggestions?
[05:27] <metalsand> bob2: I'm subscribed.
[05:27] <Quest-Master> NickVara: Take a look at ndiswrapper
[05:28] <bob2> NickVara: you need to be way more specific
[05:28] <bob2> NickVara: explain what you've tried and what isn't working
[05:28] <NickVara> Quest-Master: I've done that...
[05:28] <NickVara> OK... I've followed the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto.
[05:28] <AlfaWolph> how do i change the listening port number for the vnc server in ubuntu?
[05:28] <NickVara> My card is a Dell Wireless WLan 1450 Dual Band from Broadcom.
[05:29] <etzerd> Hello room
[05:29] <etzerd> what's new tonight?
[05:30] <bob2> it's a channel, not a room
[05:30] <metalsand> bob2: Now that I'm signed up, do I get any free stuff?
[05:30] <metalsand> IRC support that rivals the knowledge of God himself?
[05:30] <etzerd> can anyone tell me where can I get a good repositories?
[05:30] <bob2> good god
[05:30] <bob2> it's a *mailing list*
[05:30] <bob2> now post your question to the list
[05:31] <dr_willis> www.ubuntuguide.org - for your repository needs/questions
[05:31] <bob2> including everything you've tried and done, and what exactly isn't working
[05:31] <NickVara> iwconfig and ifconfig both see the card...
[05:31] <bob2> etzerd: what do you want that isn't in the ubuntu repositories?
[05:31] <dr_willis> AlfaWolph,  check the 'vncserver'  program. its a script. you can proberly do it from the command line.
[05:31] <jordanau> bob2, out of pure curiousity, what is the difference in a channel and a room?
[05:32] <bob2> jordanau: a room is what people who use AOL call a channel
[05:32] <jordanau> bob2, is room slang and channel proper?
[05:32] <NickVara> Should I post output of some of the commands?
[05:32] <etzerd> I use to have all the Debian files and folders before not anymore when I use the ubuntuguide repositories
[05:32] <metalsand> What's the different between a PM and a query?
[05:32] <bob2> oh lord
[05:32] <metalsand> Ohhhh. I bet bob2 is stumped now.
[05:32] <bob2> etzerd: if you've been using packages from Debian, your system is already screwed
[05:32] <jordanau> bob2, i will never use room again thank you (i had AOL for 1 month in 1999, please forgive me)
[05:33] <bob2> metalsand: nothing
[05:33] <bob2> haha
[05:33] <etzerd> Don't take me wrong it is a dam good repositories maybe the best out there
[05:33] <metalsand> I too, used AOL
[05:33] <metalsand> it was an amazingly fast connection back in the days of Tribes1
[05:33] <etzerd> bob2: don't tell me? how can that be possible?
[05:33] <metalsand> Then Diablo 2 came out, and that crap just wasn't going to cut it.
[05:33] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, please don't recommend ubuntuguide.org
[05:33] <DmD> hey, im' trying to install codecs for totem movie player but it says Package gstreamer0.8-plugins is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:33] <jordanau> metalsand, its okay metalsand
[05:33] <bob2> if you don't know how apt works, please don't install stuff from Debian
[05:34] <dr_willis> Burgundavia,  why not?
[05:34] <etzerd> I know Debian is screwed I can never completed the Debian installation
[05:34] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, most of it is total crack
[05:34] <g14> ubuntu is built from debian
[05:34] <metalsand> bob2: I installed hostap drivers for my card with a .deb
[05:34] <bob2> DmD: it's in the universe repository, wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:34] <metalsand> Is that why it doesn't work?
[05:34] <dr_willis> Burgundavia,  ive been noticeing that a lot of it gets out of date rather fast.
[05:34] <bob2> etzerd: did you file bugs so it can be fixed?
[05:34] <etzerd> yes
[05:35] <DmD> alright thanks, i was looking at the ubuntu forums
[05:35] <dr_willis> Burgundavia,  would there  be a better over all site to suggest?
[05:35] <bob2> metalsand: er, why don't you try the normal prism drivers first?
[05:35] <metalsand> bob2: I don't like mailing lists
[05:35] <metalsand> I like you.
[05:35] <jordanau> Burgundavia, what is the best alternative, the wikis or a good forum howto?
[05:35] <Burgundavia> dr_willis, specific wiki pages first
[05:35] <bob2> well, that's nice, but I'm not going to spend hours helping you here
[05:35] <Burgundavia> jordanau, forum is also crack
[05:35] <metalsand> bob2: Why not?
[05:35] <bob2> if you ask on the list, you're way more likely to get help
[05:35] <bob2> because it's a waste of my time
[05:35] <jordanau> Burgundavia, so wikis > forum > ubuntu guide ??
[05:35] <Xenguy> metalsand: that's not the way it works
[05:35] <REds> can normal debian sources be used with hoary
[05:35] <metalsand> bob2: You're helping nuture the Ubuntu community
[05:35] <bob2> I help you, then two hours later someone has the same problem and we go through the process again
[05:35] <dr_willis> irc > wiki  :P
[05:35] <REds> or only the ubuntu sources only
[05:36] <etzerd> I know ubuntu is build from Debian but why everytime I install Debian it can't never detect my Video Card which is an ATI with 128MB of memory. While Ubuntu detect that card with no problem.
[05:36] <bob2> if I help you on the list, it's archived so other people can benfit
[05:36] <Burgundavia> jordanau, I would go wiki> ubuntuguide > forum
[05:36] <bob2> REds: please don't use Debian repositories with ubuntu
[05:36] <mindspore> etzerd: that's one of the worst sentences I've ever read.
[05:36] <metalsand> bob2: So, if I post on the list you'll help me?
[05:36] <REds> ok thats wat i thought
[05:36] <bob2> etzerd: did you file a bug so it can be fixed?
[05:36] <bob2> metalsand: I will try
[05:36] <REds> bob2, cheers moite :D
[05:36] <metalsand> bob2: I'm going to do it.
[05:36] <bob2> great
[05:36] <darmou> what does this mean bash: /bin/ls: Input/output error
[05:36] <bob2> if only you'd done it 4 days ago
[05:36] <bob2> darmou: it means your disk is in big trouble
[05:36] <REds> itl will corrupt the dpkg database and cause issues i suspect
[05:36] <jordanau> dr_willis, depends on who is answering your question, you would be better off pressing random keyboard keys than listen to my advice :)
[05:36] <bob2> REds: it won't corrupt it
[05:36] <NickVara> bob2: when I run ifup wlan0, I get "... No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
[05:37] <darmou> bob2 what should I do?
[05:37] <REds> ok
[05:37] <bob2> darmou: get a new disk
[05:37] <DmD> damn script
[05:37] <bob2> DmD`afk: turn that off
[05:37] <DmD> i deleted the folder but it's still here
[05:37] <darmou> It is fairly new though it should be fine.
[05:37] <etzerd> what's wrong with the sentences mindspore?
[05:37] <mindspore> etzerd: everything.. especially the double-negative
[05:38] <etzerd> French is my native language, I believe that I'm doing damn good.
[05:38] <DmD> i'm not sure which package to install for the codecs in the pacakge manager
[05:38] <metalsand> The real reason I'm still using Ubuntu after 15 hours of this crap is because of the Flocks screensaver
[05:38] <metalsand> God that thing is AWESOME
[05:38] <dr_willis> DmD,  it reads it at startup. and loads the scripts there.
[05:38] <jordanau> etzerd, cant never
[05:38] <dr_willis> Flocks? Hmm
[05:38] <DmD> so should i restart xchat since i deleted the away script?
[05:38] <metalsand> Yeah, if you haven't experienced it. I recommend to ASAP.
[05:39] <metalsand> DmD: irssi in terminal.
[05:39] <metalsand> :x
[05:39] <goldfish_> yeah
[05:39] <goldfish_> irssi !
[05:39] <metalsand> IRSSI!
[05:39] <metalsand> Har har.
[05:39] <jordanau> etzerd, you say cannot ever or can never (english is wierd) <-- i am not being a smartass, if i was speaking french i would want to learn
[05:39] <mindspore> back in the IRSSI!
[05:39] <dr_willis> DmD,  exactly
[05:39] <DmD> alright, it's loaded
[05:40] <metalsand> Flocks is so pretty.
[05:40] <mindspore> yes, I could see how that would be confusing for someone that does not know english as their primary langauge
[05:40] <mr_roboto> i notice the title says don't use breezy. have there been problems in it?
[05:40] <dr_willis> i cant even find flocks. :P
[05:41] <etzerd> ok guys thanks for your lecture.
[05:41] <dr_willis> it seems to be part of the rss-screensavers
[05:41] <Burgundavia> mr_roboto, is still quite broken for a desktop system
[05:41] <jordanau> i feel sorry for people who learn english from IRC and forums. Most americans have such bad grammer, that they will really mess you up
[05:41] <metalsand> dr_willis: Maybe because I downloaded the Ubutu DVD iso I have flocks.
[05:41] <metalsand> Is knoppix based off of Debian?
[05:41] <jordanau> metalsand, yes
[05:41] <darmou> bob2 I've rebooted is there a way I can do a disk check for an xfs partition?
[05:42] <dr_willis> metalsand,  there it is.. :P i was scrolling up/down and it was at the bottom of the page hidden lol.
[05:42] <mr_roboto> metalsand: you don't mean "Flux" do you?
[05:42] <jordanau> etzerd, i appologize, i will not try to help again
[05:42] <dr_willis> metalsand,  heh - but it dont seem to be working :O
[05:42] <metalsand> No.
[05:42] <metalsand> Flocks
[05:42] <hybrid_goth> if i have a bunch of mp3 in a folder and wanna move all at once would the wildcard work I.E. mv ~/music/Pantera-*.mp3 ~/music would it move all of them or delete them
[05:42] <metalsand> After I fix my PCMCIA card I'm going to do some themeing
[05:43] <metalsand> Brown just isn't my color.
[05:43] <etzerd> Ok let's go back to my Debian question. Can anyone tell me why Debian cannot detect my Radeon 9250 video card?
[05:43] <anathema> i like the panther themes
[05:43] <daniels> etzerd: because Debian has a very, very old version of X
[05:43] <daniels> etzerd: it will work in Ubuntu
[05:43] <metalsand> link, anathema?
[05:43] <anathema> sec
[05:43] <Xenguy> hybrid_goth: safer to cp them, then delete one set afterwards ;-)
[05:43] <dr_willis> hybrid_goth,  see what 'echo Pantera-*.mp3' would do.  you really should use cp :P
[05:43] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[05:44] <hybrid_goth> ok ty both
[05:44] <mr_roboto> hybrid_goth: 'mv" works fine
[05:44] <anathema> http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/ale-panther_gtk2/
[05:44] <dr_willis> where are ya moveing them to? :P
[05:44] <etzerd> It does work  in Ubuntu, since I know Ubuntu is build under Debian I believe Debian should be able to handle same.
[05:44] <mr_roboto> if 'mv' can't write to the destination dir, it won't remove them from the source dir
[05:45] <jordanau> etzerd, what debian are you using?
[05:45] <etzerd> Sarge testing
[05:45] <anathema> wonder what would happen in debian if you changed to ubuntu reps and did a apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade
[05:45] <anathema> didnt they recently freeze sarge?
[05:45] <hybrid_goth> dr_willis: i had a folder inside ~/music of pantera and wanted them in just music
[05:45] <etzerd> Right now I'm using Ubuntu
[05:45] <mooniker> does anyone know a good resource to teach a linux newbie what to do when things go wrong -- i.e. when things freeze up, windows don't respond, etc?
[05:45] <dr_willis> the universe would explode
[05:45] <dr_willis> :P
[05:45] <jordanau> anathema, yes
[05:45] <bob2> etzerd: again, Debian has an old version of X
[05:45] <anathema> cool
[05:45] <bob2> etzerd: when that is updated, it will presumably work
[05:45] <anathema> wow stable debian release
[05:45] <jordanau> anathema, final sarge isnt out yet though
[05:45] <anathema> thought they just gave up
[05:45] <anathema> haha
[05:45] <dr_willis> hybrid_goth,  ya mean move them up one dir?
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> yes
[05:46] <anathema> well thats easy
[05:46] <dr_willis> :P
[05:46] <anathema> mv ~/music/pantera/* ~/music/
[05:46] <anathema> done
[05:46] <anathema> h
[05:46] <anathema> heh
[05:46] <hybrid_goth> ok
[05:46] <etzerd> Anyway I'm happy with Ubuntu
[05:46] <anathema> that will put everything inside the pantera folder into just the music folder
[05:46] <anathema> unless maybe if there are folders
[05:46] <Deep6> guys is there an Ubuntu sanctioned way of getting surround sound working?
[05:47] <anathema> whats wrong wiht your sound
[05:47] <etzerd> Thanks guy have a good night.
[05:47] <hybrid_goth> anathema: now if bittorrent will finish it will be mv ~/music/antrax/ ~/music/
[05:47] <mr_roboto> anathema: it will move the subfolders fine too
[05:47] <jordanau> etzerd, good night, sorry again
[05:47] <anathema> Deep6, http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[05:47] <anathema> mr_roboto, cool
[05:47] <anathema> couldnt remember to too lazy to test :)
[05:47] <etzerd> jordanau: no hard feeling. life itself is a learning process.
[05:48] <jordanau> etzerd, and not always the fun type of learning :)
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> people on bittorrent like thier metal :P
[05:48] <hybrid_goth> god bless linux and oss
[05:49] <mr_roboto> anathema: actually, all it does is link the entries in the old dir to the new dir and unlink the original ones. it's much faster than copying :)
[05:49] <anathema> yes
[05:49] <anathema> its great
[05:49] <anathema> i love links
[05:49] <etzerd> one more question Jordanau before I go. bittoreent of a torrent file what is the meaning of it?
[05:49] <mr_roboto> hard link, that is
[05:49] <anathema> yes
[05:49] <anathema> i know
[05:49] <anathema> i should hope so
[05:49] <anathema> all those soft links would sure make a mess
[05:49] <anathema> haha
[05:50] <darmou> ok how to I boot into single user on ubuntu so I can run xfs-repair?
[05:50] <darmou> Using grub
[05:50] <mr_roboto> sudo init S?
[05:50] <desrt> darmou; give the 'emergency' parameter on the kernel commandline
[05:51] <jordanau> torrent file is what bittorrent uses to identify a file
[05:51] <desrt> like, go to your kernel image on the menu.. hit 'e' to edit.. then go down to the 'kernel /boot/bz...' line and add ' emergency' to the end of that
[05:51] <desrt> then hit 'b'
[05:51] <jordanau> bittorrent is the program, torrent is the file
[05:51] <Deep6> anathema, how about rhythmbox claiming "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg"
[05:51] <mr_roboto> ls /etc/init.d
[05:51] <anathema> no idea dont use rhymbox
[05:51] <mr_roboto> oops,, wrong window!
[05:51] <hybrid_goth> torrents need to be opened with bt
[05:51] <desrt> Deep6; apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad from universe
[05:52] <etzerd> thanks jordanau.
[05:52] <Deep6> desrt, thanks
[05:52] <h|barbobot> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:52] <bestadvocate> hey how do you kill a process from the terminal?
[05:52] <anathema> hey you guys..is there a way to make gaim flash its icon in the systray when someone messages you and the window doesnt have focus
[05:52] <mr_roboto> desrt: can't you just do an 'init S'?
[05:52] <Deep6> is esd the way to go for audio, I've always killed it in raw debian
[05:52] <desrt> Deep6; read the link that h|barbobot posted.  it give an explanation
[05:52] <anathema> Deep6, i say just get rid of it
[05:53] <desrt> mr_roboto; not if the box won't boot in the first place
[05:53] <mr_roboto> ahhh :)
[05:53] <Deep6> anathema, the link you told me to go to is all about using esd, not 4 channel audio
[05:53] <kingsley> 1.) Why would "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86-dbg" not change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and 2.) why would XFree86-debug abort with "no screens found" in /var/log/XFree86.0.log when /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 has a "Screen" section?
[05:53] <DmD> grr, i still can't play avi/mpegs with Totem...i installed gstreamer from the package manager...
[05:53] <julian> hey all
[05:53] <bob2> kingsley: did you read the top of the file?
[05:53] <bob2> kingsley: or did you trash it without reading it first?
[05:54] <julian> has anyone face a problem with the ubuntu users and groups management gui package under gnome?
[05:54] <julian> it refuses to update passwd
[05:54] <julian> ?
[05:54] <sbcl3_> how do i use the file browser as root?
[05:54] <anathema> DmD install totem-xine
[05:54] <bob2> sbcl3_: why?
[05:54] <anathema> instead of the default
[05:54] <kingsley> bob2: Thanks for asking. Which file are you asking about?
[05:54] <ghostfreeman_> any link buttons for Ubuntu?
[05:54] <julian> yeah sbcl3_ why>
[05:54] <bob2> DmD: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:54] <sbcl3_> bob2: need to drop a .tar.gz file into /usr/local
[05:54] <anathema> then copy the codecs from the mplayer webpage
[05:54] <bob2> kingsley:  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:54] <sbcl3_> adobe's svg viewer wants it there
[05:55] <sbcl3_> how do i do it?
[05:55] <julian> sbcl3_, hmm...
[05:55] <sbcl3_> typing "su" into the terminal doesn't seem to work
[05:55] <julian> sbcl3_, try and do a sudo sbcl3
[05:55] <sbcl3_> sudo sbcl3?
[05:55] <julian> do sudo cp *.tar.gz /usr/local
[05:55] <julian> nope, sudo is like, su-do
[05:55] <julian> :)
[05:55] <g14> sbcl3_, sudo -s
[05:56] <kingsley> bob2: I hadn't read it, but it seems to me that's it's not trashed, or even changed.
[05:56] <anathema> i cant remember who told me to use bmp instead of winamp, but that guy diserves a blowjob...it kicks so much ass
[05:56] <bob2> kingsley: have you read the top of the file?
[05:57] <kingsley> bob2: Now that you've asked, I can say that yes, I have.
[05:57] <g14> anathema, haha, yes I agree
[05:57] <mindspore> anathema: get on your knees.
[05:57] <bob2> kingsley: and you haven't ever modified it manually?
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> jeez, i need a quieter heatsink :)
[05:57] <bob2> kingsley: does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 work?
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> I love Ubuntu's release organization
[05:57] <kingsley> bob2: I have edited it manually.
[05:58] <thechitowncubs> I can't wait till breezy :)
[05:58] <bob2> kingsley: there you go
[05:58] <bob2> kingsley: read the top of the file again to see how to fix it
[05:58] <g14> thechitowncubs, breezy is gonna rock
[05:58] <thechitowncubs> i hope so
[05:58] <mindspore> breezy the upcoming release i assume/
[05:58] <stuNNed> yes
[05:58] <thechitowncubs> it seems like a lot of developers signed on
[05:59] <thechitowncubs> Since Hoary
[05:59] <thechitowncubs> I hope it grows and grows and grows :)
[05:59] <anathema> haha
[05:59] <jordanau> thechitowncubs, if you are looking for a quiter fan try the aero 7 lite you can throttle it down and it is pretty quite (if you turn it up it sounds like a jet engine)
[05:59] <anathema> if only he were here, i'd be on my knees!
[05:59] <anathema> haha
[05:59] <thechitowncubs> Thanks Jordan, wasn't looking for an answer, but i'll try it
[05:59] <thechitowncubs> i've got some money to spend anyways
[06:00] <anathema> would be cool if ubuntu became the main and near only desktop dist
[06:00] <anathema> woo
[06:00] <anathema> so nice
[06:00] <thechitowncubs> So gl4: what is the biggest breakthrough feature?
[06:00] <skull> hi all
[06:01] <skull> i made a session for my sister
[06:01] <jordanau> thechitowncubs, my fan is running pretty quitely and my CPU is 34 degrees (amd barton 2500) if i turn it up to high it will drop to 31 C
[06:01] <skull> and in that session the sound doesn't wokr
[06:01] <skull> work
[06:01] <verden01> anathema, finished doing the ATI 3d driver and now when i go to start tuxracer to see if 3d is working i get the following message   error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:01] <thechitowncubs> I have a barton
[06:01] <thechitowncubs> jordan: what is the room temp
[06:01] <thechitowncubs> I actually have that same CPU
[06:01] <thechitowncubs> Overclocked to 3200
[06:02] <tga> hey, do crappy AC97 laptop sound cards have hardware midi?
[06:02] <bob2> skull: is she in the audio group?
[06:02] <jordanau> thechitowncubs, yeah i dont overclock
[06:02] <tga> I'm having some trouble playing midi files
[06:02] <kingsley> bob2: Ah, I see in FAQ.gz that package maintainer scripts won't overwrite XF86Config-4 because I modified it. Thanks.
[06:02] <bob2> tga: use timidity
[06:02] <thechitowncubs> Jordan: i've been doing it for about 6 months no problem
[06:02] <skull> i don't know
[06:02] <bob2> kingsley: yes, the top of the file also explains that
[06:02] <ksmurf> hello all
[06:02] <jordanau> thechitowncubs, room temp remains around 68-70 F
[06:02] <skull> let me see
[06:02] <DmD> how do i install a bz2 file?
[06:03] <ksmurf> Anyone want to help with my audigy 2 problem pls
[06:03] <jordanau> thechitowncubs, that is because AMD is awesome
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> where do you put themes? ~/.themes?
[06:03] <tga> bob2: yeah, I was just following along the howto, I just wasn't sure it was what I need
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> DmD un tar it
[06:03] <kingsley> bob2: As an aside, the top of mine doesn't.
[06:03] <hybrid_goth> DmD : then tell me what is up
[06:03] <bob2> kingsley: probably because someone edited it without reading it ;)
[06:03] <DmD> i'm installing mplayer..
[06:03] <bob2> DmD: depends what it is.
[06:03] <jordanau> hybrid_goth, i just download them to home, install them from the theme dialog box, then delete the .tar.gz
[06:03] <bob2> DmD: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:03] <DmD> MPlayer-1.0pre7.tar.bz2
[06:03] <bob2> DmD: mplayer is in ubuntu already
[06:04] <kingsley> bob2: Haha!
[06:04] <DmD> hm, i do'nt have it ;x
[06:04] <skull> man but i'm no tin the adudo group and i can hear the music
[06:04] <bob2> DmD: read that wiki page
[06:04] <sig> bob2: I wouldn't use that mplayer
[06:04] <mindspore> DmD: you have to install the package from synaptic
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> jordanau: does that work in UbuntuX
[06:04] <sig> marillat has ruined many features on his port
[06:04] <bob2> skull: well, the first user created is in the audio group.  you weren't the first user?
[06:04] <bob2> sig: perhaps, but I'm not talking about marillat.
[06:04] <jordanau> hybrid_goth, ahh that is in gnome
[06:04] <skull> i'm the first user
[06:04] <DmD> i already did steps 1-3 ;x
[06:04] <bob2> skull: then you're in the audio group
[06:05] <sig> bob2: mplayer's cvs is the way to go
[06:05] <bob2> skull: run the command "groups" as your user in a terminal
[06:05] <bob2> sig: no
[06:05] <sig> that way you get all the new features
[06:05] <jordanau> hybrid_goth, i dont know how the themes work in xfce because the defaults look so damn good
[06:05] <sig> bob2: yes
[06:05] <skull> ok
[06:05] <sig> .
[06:05] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:05] <bob2> pointing clueless newbies at cvs is stupid
[06:05] <ksmurf> Anyone want to help with my audigy 2 problem pls....
[06:05] <sig> bob2: no it's not
[06:05] <sig> there is safe ways about following cvs
[06:05] <bob2> sig: yes, it is
[06:05] <bob2> and there's no point
[06:05] <sig> and you telling them that is ignorant
[06:06] <bob2> what actual useful feature does it add?
[06:06] <skull> skull@Nasa:~$ groups
[06:06] <skull> skull adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> jordanau: ~/.themes.
[06:06] <hybrid_goth> jordanau: ~/.themes/
[06:06] <sig> better .mov/avi support etc
[06:06] <bob2> skull: that is very odd
[06:06] <bob2> "better"?  for example?
[06:06] <sig> http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer  <--
[06:06] <sbcl3_> anyone know a quick way to put an svg as a desktop image?
[06:06] <sig> you can have as many mplayer versions installed as you want
[06:06] <bob2> skull: oh, you are in the audio group
[06:06] <sig> anyways.
[06:06] <sig> &&
[06:06] <bob2> sig: of course, like any piece of software
[06:06] <g14> sbcl3_, use inkscape and convert it to png
[06:07] <sbcl3_> k
[06:07] <kingsley> bob2: Do you happen to know if XF86Config-4 must be changed to use xfree86-dbg?
[06:07] <skull> how can i add her to the video and audio groups
[06:07] <bob2> kingsley: I wouldn't think so
[06:07] <bob2> skull: sudo adduser her_user_name audio
[06:07] <bob2> skull: sudo adduser her_user_name video
[06:08] <skull> thanks
[06:08] <sig> bob2: what mplayer version were you refering these guys to?
[06:08] <bob2> sig: the version in ubuntu
[06:08] <sig> mplayer-386 ?
[06:08] <bob2> whatever they want
[06:09] <sig> they are built by marillat
[06:09] <bob2>  *** 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 0
[06:09] <bob2>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[06:09] <sig> look at maintainer
[06:09] <bob2> no, they're built by the ubuntu autobuilder
[06:09] <thechitowncubs> joradaneu: what do you use to monitor your CPU temp?
[06:09] <bob2> sig: look at the maintainer of coreutils in ubuntu
[06:10] <bob2> michael stone is not uploading it to ubuntu
[06:10] <sig> whats your point?
[06:10] <Magicbane> I was wondering if anyone could helpme, a very new Linux user, with setting up a netwrok connection?
[06:10] <bob2> what is your point?
[06:10] <sig> that the package is ported by these people
[06:10] <bob2> I'm just disproving your assertion that christian marillat built them
[06:10] <regeya> a great victory, big fella
[06:11] <regeya> follow it up with a toast to the autobuilder
[06:11] <bob2> god
[06:11] <sig> bob2: dude
[06:11] <sig> lol
[06:11] <bob2> what is it about ubuntu that is attracting such silly people...
[06:11] <regeya> silly?  SILLY???!?
[06:11] <sig> bob2: your silly
[06:11] <bob2> trolling me is like the smallest victory you could ever acheive
[06:11] <bob2> sig: itym "you're"
[06:12] <sig> ok
[06:12] <Magicbane> the internet is like a bug zapper for silly peope
[06:12] <regeya> sir, I prefer to be referred to as mentally unstable, slightly loony, or a bit deranged, but I take great offense at being called silly
[06:12] <Magicbane> unfortunately it doesn't kill em
[06:12] <desrt> Magicbane; except it lacks the zapping :(
[06:12] <Magicbane> yeah
[06:12] <sig> regardless, I know "mplayer" well
[06:12] <sig> and if you use his build it is facked...
[06:12] <bob2> good god
[06:12] <sig> I'm just letting people know
[06:12] <bob2> no, you're being a n idiot
[06:13] <sig> actually to tell you the truth I don't care
[06:13] <bob2> you can't actually provide a reason
[06:13] <Magicbane> I also would venture to bet that something like Suse, Redhat or Mandrake has far more silly people
[06:13] <bob2> aside from "better quicktime support"
[06:13] <sig> I have said several reasons
[06:13] <bob2> e.g.?
[06:13] <regeya> bob2: perhaps it would be okay to let this go; is it possible that any part of this package could have come from christian's unofficial repos?
[06:13] <bob2> I don't know
[06:13] <regeya> bob2: what's the problem, then?
[06:13] <sig> "better quicktime support"... widescreen support, -vo output support etc...
[06:13] <bob2> anyway, this is the stupidest discussion I've had all day
[06:13] <sig> but who cares right?
[06:14] <bob2> mplayer from ubuntu appears to play quicktime files fine for me
[06:14] <Magicbane> so could anyone help me with my network connection?
[06:14] <bob2> and supports 2 dozen -vo options
[06:14] <bob2> Magicbane: you need to ask a way more specific question
[06:14] <regeya> I'll agree that adding the marillat sources and installing them isn't the brightest idea on a ubuntu machine
[06:14] <sig> lets let new users use crappy packages and then have them come here and say, mplayer doesn't play my .mov movies that my camera produces..
[06:14] <Magicbane> ok
[06:14] <bob2> Magicbane: explaining what you're trying to do
[06:14] <bob2> sig: can you please file a bug so it can be fixed then?
[06:15] <regeya> sig: is this something that's from something other than the main repo?  if so, it's not supported, but filing a bug would probably get somethign done anyway
[06:15] <regeya> now you fellers can get back to arguing about who built the packages
[06:15] <sig> regeya: I honestly don't care.
[06:15] <regeya> sig: yes, you do.
[06:15] <sig> regeya: I care about mplayer's reputation
[06:16] <regeya> sig: and shouting about it on irc is getting a lot done, isn't it? ;-)
[06:16] <sig> regeya: who's shouting?
[06:16] <sig> :P
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> rofl
[06:16] <hybrid_goth> how do you shout when you are 8typing*?
[06:16] <Magicbane> So I have a Linksys 100TX PCI network adapter, and I have it in my computer.  So under Ubuntu I did lspci to make sure that it was actually recognized and stuff, which it was, so I tried to configure it.  So I configured it, and it shows itself as connected, but it won't connect to my internet connection.  Internet is 384 Kbps ethernet, and the internet works for my other computers.
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> edit: *typing*
[06:17] <goldfish_> hybrid_goth: WITH CAPS.
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:17] <goldfish_> apparantly
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> W/E
[06:17] <hitest> hey does anyone know when fire fox 1.03 for ubuntu is coming out?  just curiuos
[06:17] <hybrid_goth> :D
[06:17] <bob2> ok, be quiet if you're not actually helping now
[06:17] <bob2> hitest: when breezy settles down
[06:17] <Magicbane> thank you
[06:17] <bob2> it will never be in hoary
[06:17] <bob2> Magicbane: lspci doesn't say anything about whether the card was recognised
[06:17] <hitest> why not?
[06:18] <jordanau> bob2, they don't add security updates to firefix??
[06:18] <jacobW> hello
[06:18] <bob2> Magicbane: does "ifconfig" show the interface?
[06:18] <bob2> hitest: because hoary is released
[06:18] <regeya> okay, I retract my statement about 'shouting' and re-submit it with the word replaced with 'whining.'  Please do what others have suggested. :-)  Take a more proactive role in getting it fixed, and you will more than likely be richly rewarded.
[06:18] <bob2> jordanau: sure, they backport fixes to the version in hoary
[06:18] <Magicbane> i just meant that is did show that it was connected
[06:18] <hitest> okay
[06:18] <bob2> Magicbane: how do you know it is connected?
[06:18] <hitest> they can't offer an update?
[06:18] <sbcl3_> g14: thank you
[06:18] <jordanau> bob2, i thought that 1.0.3 was a security update and hoary continues to provide security updates?
[06:19] <Magicbane> it works when my computer is under Windows, and it is getting power from teh PCI slot, as the LED's are lit
[06:19] <bob2> hitest: sure, it's called "use breezy"
[06:19] <hitest> breezy?
[06:19] <bob2> jordanau: yes, of course hoary provides security updates, and the fixes from 1.03 will be backported to the 1.02 version
[06:19] <bob2> hitest: the development version of ubuntu at the moment
[06:19] <bob2> jordanau: 1.03 isn't just a security release, afaict
[06:19] <hitest> gotcha, thanks for the clarification
[06:19] <jordanau> bob2, okay
[06:19] <bob2> Magicbane: does "ifconfig" show the interface?
[06:20] <ksmurf> Anyone want to help with my audigy 2 problem pls....
[06:21] <jacobW> hey does any know whats up with the no root bullshit......i tried  sudo passwd root  but that didnt work help??
[06:21] <Naota> I'm magicbane, just switched computers
[06:21] <jordanau> bob2, so they will add the security fixes to my 1.02 that i already have, and i wont have to upgrade to breezy??
[06:21] <CarlK> jacobW - take a pill
[06:21] <bob2> jacobW: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:21] <hybrid_goth> jacobW: sudo your passwd
[06:21] <bob2> jacobW: and please be polite when asking for help
[06:21] <sig> jordanau: it will be fixed in security updates
[06:21] <jordanau> sig, thanks
[06:21] <bob2> jacobW: yes
[06:21] <sig> going to "breezy" won't help you
[06:21] <bob2> jordanau: yes
[06:21] <jacobW> sorry im a sailor
[06:21] <jordanau> bob2, thanks'
[06:21] <bob2> jacobW: that's no excuse
[06:22] <sig> "breezy" should be avoided if you want stability
[06:22] <torpid> i need some advice.  i just built a new p4 3.2 ghz system that i'll be installing ubuntu onto, and i have a kvm and i'm trying to decide whether there's any use for my 1ghz 256mb of ram dell rack server...
[06:22] <sig> jacobW: lol
[06:22] <jordanau> sig, right, and i want stability
[06:22] <jacobW> ill be polite sry
[06:22] <ksmurf> Anyone want to help with my audigy 2 problem pls.... I can't get it working and have tried everything I can think of
[06:22] <jordanau> sig, i am a student, i dont need my computer going down
[06:22] <bob2> ksmurf: you're being too vague
[06:22] <sig> jordanau: then stay with Hoary and don't use "testing" or "unstable" repositories
[06:22] <regeya> jacobW: you may find that you don't need a root passwd anyway, seriously
[06:22] <stuNNed> ksmurf: what type audigy2 is it?  you might need alsa 1.0.8
[06:23] <sig> torpid: put netbsd on that 1ghz :)
[06:23] <jordanau> sig, yeah i am already mad at myself for using a couple of jdongs backports
[06:23] <regeya> try getting a shell via sudo then try to set the passwd
[06:23] <sig> use it for a fileserver
[06:23] <torpid> and do what with it?
[06:23] <metalsand> bob2: I've sent an e-mail
[06:23] <torpid> ahh..
[06:23] <bob2> yay, finally
[06:23] <icebalm> jordanau: I don't think anyone needs their computers going down
[06:23] <jordanau> sig, but they were pretty minor so it shouldnt affect much
[06:23] <metalsand> bob2: Sorry, I had to deal with some family stuff
[06:23] <sig> jordanau: you can remove them
[06:23] <torpid> a file server when i have a 250gb drive on my new machine?
[06:23] <bob2> ksmurf: no, do not /msg people
[06:23] <bob2> ksmurf: explain your problem in the channel
[06:23] <sig> torpid: sure
[06:24] <sig> put it online
[06:24] <metalsand> bob2: I just cracked open another coke, I'm going to be powered by caffine for a good 3 hours.
[06:24] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:24] <ksmurf> A new install and can't get the sound on my audigy2 to come though my speakers... I have no problem playing a wav or mp3 but no sound.
[06:24] <ksmurf> I have tiried following the guides but no go
[06:24] <ksmurf> *tried
[06:24] <hybrid_goth> is there an open source video codec?
[06:25] <jordanau> icebalm, right, what i mean is i just dont use my home computer for forwarding funny emails and downloading funny videos
[06:25] <Naota> someone asked what ifconfig showed for me (magicbane)
[06:25] <bob2> hybrid_goth: Ogg Theora
[06:25] <bob2> Naota: do not paste it in here
[06:25] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[06:25] <ksmurf> So I am looking gor someone to please help me
[06:25] <ksmurf> thank you
[06:25] <Magicbane> ok I won't, but what did they need to know to help me?
[06:26] <torpid> theora rocks
[06:26] <bob2> Magicbane: pate the output to #flood
[06:26] <torpid> theora.org
[06:26] <torpid> theora is for video what dvorak is for keymaps.
[06:26] <tga> flood output to #post
[06:26] <bob2> #flood
[06:26] <jordanau> torpid, do you use dvorak?
[06:26] <torpid> of course
[06:26] <torpid> i have for like 8 years.
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> torpid: ogg rox period
[06:27] <torpid> i even use it at work.
[06:27] <torpid> all of my music is available as vorbis
[06:27] <torpid> http://brokenladder.com/
[06:27] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[06:27] <jordanau> torpid, is the initial getting used to it bad?
[06:27] <torpid> uh..sort of yeah.
[06:27] <torpid> it took me a couple of months to really get good at it.
[06:27] <torpid> now i can switch back and forth pretty easily
[06:27] <Magicbane> it'll take me a short while, since I have to type it in
[06:28] <torpid> but it's soooo much better than qwerty
[06:28] <torpid> it's just so much more comfortable.  you don't have to move your fingers as much.
[06:28] <torpid> much more ergonomic.
[06:28] <jordanau> torpid, switching back and forth qould kill me
[06:28] <regeya> I finally decided that I had enough hd space for flac
[06:28] <regeya> so heck with it
[06:28] <torpid> no, you get used to it.
[06:28] <hybrid_goth> torpid and jordanau: have you seen that key board on thinkgeek that uses on hand?
[06:28] <metalsand> bob2: So like, what do I do now? :o
[06:28] <jordanau> hybrid_goth, no got a link?
[06:28] <bob2> metalsand: you want patiently and politely
[06:28] <torpid> regeya yeah, with a 250gb drive and a 60gb drive and an 18gb drive, it hard for me to justify not just using flac for everything.
[06:29] <aksaon> I never knew I can have only one toolbar in firefox with the menu, navigation controls, address bar and search bar!
[06:29] <bob2> metalsand: and reply to whatever people reply to you
[06:29] <jacobW> bah i hate not having root
[06:29] <aksaon> now I can make the most of my screen
[06:29] <aksaon> :D
[06:29] <metalsand> bob2: I've been working on this for 15 hours.
[06:29] <torpid> jacobW why don't you have root?
[06:29] <hybrid_goth> jordanau: it is at http://thinkgeek.com
[06:29] <bob2> metalsand: yes, perhaps it's time to take a break
[06:29] <anathema> so make root work
[06:29] <torpid> hybrid_goth never seen it.
[06:29] <metalsand> bob2: I'm not that kind of person.
[06:29] <jacobW> i tried what it said sudo passwd root
[06:29] <CarlK> jacobW - thik of root like training wheels... you can live without
[06:29] <bob2> metalsand: or find someone you can pay to help you...you're asking for free help from strangers around the world, you will have to wait politely.
[06:29] <metalsand> If I have free time, it's in here trying to get my problem resolved.
[06:30] <jacobW> noooooo
[06:30] <jacobW> its just for setting everyting up
[06:30] <CarlK> jacobW - you can do it...
[06:30] <hybrid_goth> torpid: did you make the music on brokenladder?
[06:30] <regeya> jacobW:  try getting a root shell first, then try setting passwd
[06:30] <metalsand> bob2: Alright, I understand that. I'll watch gmail notfier, but I'm going to ask for help here.
[06:30] <metalsand> Help.
[06:30] <regeya> jacobW: or get used to the fact that you don't need a root passwd ever
[06:30] <bob2> oh god
[06:30] <bob2> you've been asking for help for days now
[06:30] <jacobW> regeya sudo -s
[06:30] <metalsand> My PCMCIA card isn't showing up in ifconfig
[06:30] <jacobW> ??
[06:30] <metalsand> Can someone assist me?
[06:31] <regeya> jacobw: y
[06:31] <metalsand> It's a Wireless NIC, Senao SL 2511 EXT 2 PLUS.
[06:31] <crimsun> metalsand: what does iwconfig tell you?
[06:31] <regeya> if you're paranoid I suppose you could run sudo su but that seems a bit silly
[06:31] <tga> when using a soundfont with timidity do I use it in as a .sfArk or so I need to extract it?
[06:31] <metalsand> crimsun: iwconfig shows NOTHING.
[06:31] <torpid> hybrid_goth yeah
[06:31] <torpid> i am broken ladder
[06:31] <metalsand> Before I installed hostap drivers it was labled wlan0
[06:31] <torpid> i'm a san francisco alternative musician.
[06:32] <metalsand> Now there's nothing there
[06:32] <jacobW> regeya it asks me for a pwd
[06:32] <torpid> someone please tell me something useful i can do with my old pc..
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> torpid: what genre is it
[06:32] <metalsand> Besides lo, eth0 and... sit0 (My intenal wired NIC)
[06:32] <torpid> alternative like Coldplay, Elliot Smith, Radiohead
[06:32] <jacobW> ashley@knowdice:~$ sudo -sPassword:
[06:32] <torpid> really depressing
[06:32] <regeya> jacobW: your user passwd
[06:32] <hybrid_goth> torpid: hmm ok i am going to check it out
[06:32] <torpid> check out speed of life
[06:32] <crimsun> metalsand: does dmesg give clues that your pcmcia controller detected peripherals connected?
[06:33] <regeya> jacobW: see, the thing is, sudo is there so that you can do superuser things as user, and ubuntu is set up to ask for a passwd.  use the same passwd you use to log in.
[06:33] <hybrid_goth> ok
[06:33] <metalsand> crimsun: Funny you ask
[06:33] <metalsand> When I left this morning it was, but now when I reinsert it I get nothing
[06:33] <metalsand> and now I forget the one line it was saying
[06:33] <metalsand> Let me try again
[06:33] <jacobW> regeya thank you thank you
[06:33] <regeya> sudo is designed to make logging in as root obsolete.
[06:34] <regeya> jacobW: you're welcome, but again, you don't really need it.  I understand, though (I have a root passwd set)
[06:34] <torpid> it doesn't work like that
[06:34] <metalsand> crimsun: It's saying: p80211.o: 0.2.1-pre25 Unloaded
[06:34] <torpid> you have to type sudo over and over again, and it's annoying.  so just su - and have a great day
[06:34] <metalsand> I believe that was reminence of an old drivers (wlan-ng) I installed
[06:34] <jacobW> im waining off the FC
[06:34] <torpid> just give your root user a password.
[06:34] <regeya> heh
[06:34] <metalsand> Now I'm taking a shot at the host ap drivers
[06:34] <regeya> most the time I never log in as root.
[06:35] <regeya> ever.
[06:35] <anathema> i never ever log in as root
[06:35] <jordanau> hybrid_goth, 149 dollars is too much for a toy :(
[06:35] <anathema> sudo all the way
[06:35] <metalsand> sudo -s is where all the thugs are at.
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> torpid: use that old pc as a server
[06:35] <goldfish_> I don't see the problem, why not just su to root?
[06:35] <jacobW> so what the best way to install mplayer/?
[06:35] <metalsand> When I'm feeling sassy I roll sudo -s
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> jordanau: i said see not buy :P
[06:35] <goldfish_> or sudo ...
[06:35] <hybrid_goth> jacobW : compile
[06:36] <jordanau> i thought mplayer was standard?
[06:36] <torpid> ack...server for what?
[06:36] <ksmurf> I'm sorry to keep asking this but... I have a sound issue.  I have a Audigy2 soundcard that will not work.  I have alsa 1.0.8 but still no sound.  I'm very new to linux and I know that this has been gone through b4 but I tried what I googled and could not solve it myself.  Sorry to bother anyone
[06:36] <Magicbane> I posted it
[06:36] <bob2> ksmurf: did you unmute it?
[06:36] <Magicbane> sorry it took so long
[06:36] <ksmurf> unmute which channel
[06:36] <bob2> ksmurf: all of them
[06:36] <hybrid_goth> torpid: irc ssh proxy or sell space
[06:36] <kwolf> Has anyone had success building subversion in Ubuntu?  From source
[06:36] <hybrid_goth> i would prolly buy some
[06:36] <ksmurf> by the pref channels?
[06:37] <bob2> kwolf: why would you bother?  but it should work.
[06:37] <jacobW> some one here earlyer said there was somthing you could type in the consel
[06:37] <jacobW> to dl it
[06:37] <kwolf> bob2: I want the latest rev 1.1.4
[06:37] <bob2> ksmurf: run "alsamixer" in a terminal.  make sure now of the controls have MM at the bottom.
[06:37] <Magicbane> Sorry that the formatting on my IFConfig stuff is off, but I tried
[06:37] <metalsand> crimsun: Any idea?
[06:38] <crimsun> metalsand: sec, I'm working with malone atm
[06:38] <torpid> i guess i could convert my old computer into an sip phone.
[06:38] <torpid> that would be interesting.
[06:38] <crimsun> ksmurf: make sure the 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' is unmuted
[06:38] <hybrid_goth> lol
[06:39] <anathema> hey crimsun is there a easy way to install java ?
[06:39] <anathema> not the ubuntuguide way
[06:40] <anathema> one where aptitude handles it
[06:40] <kwolf> how can I find out where apache2-dev placed it's files?
[06:40] <crimsun> kwolf: use dpkg -L
[06:40] <anathema> a link to a guide would be fine
[06:40] <Magicbane> can anyone help with my internet thing?  the ifconfig is on #flood
[06:40] <crimsun> anathema: I have done it manually and am not familiar w/ the ubuntuguide method
[06:40] <anathema> oh
[06:40] <sbcl3_> #firefox
[06:40] <sbcl3_> sorry
[06:40] <sbcl3_> forgot command
[06:40] <SapoDriLo> Hello, the hibernate process takes more than 5 minutes, it's not normal. I'm not sure what happend, but it takes so much time.
[06:40] <anathema> well..ubuntuguide method is super easy
[06:41] <anathema> but it just installs it wiht a .bin
[06:41] <anathema> not handled by dpkg or apt
[06:41] <bob2> SapoDriLo: are you sure that's not normal?
[06:41] <goldfish_> why not do it with the .bin ?
[06:41] <anathema> because its not handled by the package manager
[06:41] <bob2> Magicbane: so, have you configured /etc/network/interfaces properly?
[06:41] <anathema> hard to uninstall
[06:41] <anathema> and manage
[06:41] <bob2> install it to /usr/local/
[06:41] <SapoDriLo> bob2, no, some days ago, it takes one minute or so
[06:41] <Magicbane> no I don't think so, how do I do that?
[06:41] <bob2> it's not worth obsessing over
[06:41] <anathema> okay
[06:42] <anathema> just you guys were all saying dont do the ubuntuguide way
[06:42] <bob2> one day java will have a non-stupid license and it will be in debian/ubuntu
[06:42] <bob2> Magicbane: or used the gui or whatever
[06:42] <anathema> ok ill just bin it
[06:42] <mr_roboto> anathema, the sun java bin file is very simple
[06:42] <anathema> im not worried about difficulty mr_roboto
[06:42] <anathema> im worried about it not beeing handled by apt.
[06:42] <regeya> on that day java will no longer be a bit relevant
[06:43] <ksmurf> thank you bob2.  I was using the gnome controlser isnstead of alsamixer.... thank you. the gnome contol did not unmute the channel. thank you again
[06:43] <mr_roboto> ahh
[06:43] <Magicbane> bob2: like applications/system tools/network tools?
[06:43] <mr_roboto> anathema what do you need? just a jre?
[06:43] <bob2> Magicbane: I guess so
[06:43] <anathema> yeah
[06:43] <bob2> regeya: why's that?
[06:43] <regeya> how many people use java as a cross-platform method of distributing apps anwyay
[06:43] <mr_roboto> anathema, there is a jre in the repos, if i'm not mistaken
[06:43] <mr_roboto> kaffe maybe?
[06:43] <Magicbane> I think I did it right, but how do I know what the IP address for that computer is.  I think that Adelphia internet is Static not Dynamic?
[06:43] <bob2> there's several
[06:44] <bob2> Magicbane: if it's static, they will have told you the address
[06:44] <regeya> yeah, but kaffe isn't the best
[06:44] <mr_roboto> probably none of them are 1.5 though :)
[06:44] <anathema> will they run all the programs like azureus and mozilla plugins ?
[06:44] <bob2> no
[06:44] <regeya> I have eclipse installed, but other than that and limewire, nothing comes to mind
[06:44] <anathema> fugit, im doing the bin
[06:44] <anathema> heh
[06:44] <regeya> and limewire on os x does some cocoa stuff
[06:44] <tga> jedit?
[06:44] <Magicbane> bob2:  I can't remember that they did, I don't think so, so I set it to DCHP
[06:44] <tga> netbeans?
[06:45] <rj_> now let me get this straight? put the lime in the coke you nut.
[06:45] <rj_> :/
[06:45] <mr_roboto> who needs netbeans when you have eclipse :)
[06:45] <bob2> Magicbane: er, well, you do need to know if it's static or dynamic before you can do anything
[06:45] <tga> who needs eclipse when you have vim :)
[06:45] <mr_roboto> haha
[06:45] <Magicbane> bob2:  now it won't let me configure my Ethernet thing
[06:45] <senator32> i installed "freedoom" via Synaptic Package manager, in ubuntu how do i run the game?
[06:45] <Magicbane> lemme try restarting
[06:45] <regeya> tga: all I said is that I had it installed :->
[06:46] <anathema> senator32
[06:46] <anathema> do a 'killall gnome-panel'
[06:46] <senator32> yes
[06:46] <rj_> anyone know of a good gtk2 tv guide application
[06:46] <anathema> and look in your applications
[06:46] <bob2> anathema: er
[06:46] <bob2> anathema: no
[06:46] <anathema> probably games
[06:46] <senator32> i looked there
[06:46] <senator32> hmm
[06:46] <anathema> did you kill the gnome panel ?
[06:46] <anathema> do killall gnome-panel
[06:47] <senator32> nope in running kde
[06:47] <anathema> oh
[06:47] <anathema> uh
[06:47] <anathema> no idea then
[06:47] <bob2> anathema: do you know freedom has a .desktop file?
[06:47] <anathema> need to refresh it somehow
[06:47] <senator32> ah
[06:47] <senator32> ill try
[06:47] <senator32> one sec
[06:47] <anathema> yes bob2  but it wouldnt show up untill you refreshed the panel
[06:47] <anathema> and killall gnome-panel seems to be the best way
[06:48] <anathema> but hes running kde anyways, so its a moot point
[06:48] <anathema> heheh
[06:48] <Magicbane> bob2: I doubt if this means anything, but on loading ubuntu, it does take a short while to load the network configuration
[06:48] <helio7> a feature I'm thinking of installing in Hoary says, "X.Org 6.8 or above." do I have it?  man X.org says version 11 release 6.6/6.7
[06:48] <bob2> ok
[06:48] <bob2> sorry, your problem is too nebulous for me to help you
[06:49] <bob2> try asking on the mailing list
[06:49] <senator32> ill figure it out, i may have to go into gnome and do it there then switch back
[06:49] <helio7> erp feature in Xfce I meant to say
[06:49] <senator32> hey is there any way to drmatically increase the boot speed of linux?
[06:49] <bob2> yes, but you can't do it
[06:49] <bob2> wait for breezy
[06:49] <senator32> ?
[06:49] <kwolf> I have a question that is kind of Apache related.  I'm building subversion and it complains that module support via DSO through APXS is not enabled.  What does this mean and how do I correct?
[06:49] <senator32> i heard something about a moded file that helps
[06:50] <helio7> X.org version in Hoary does anyone know?
[06:50] <bob2> helio7: why don't you just look?
[06:50] <daniels> kwolf: you don't need to build it
[06:50] <senator32> is "breezy" being released soon?
[06:50] <user1> Hi all
[06:50] <bob2> X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-10 20050405154308 root@terranova.war
[06:50] <bob2> thogs.hbd.com)
[06:50] <bob2> senator32: october
[06:50] <senator32> :)
[06:50] <helio7> bob2: well that would save me time rather than booting irc up and bothering you all; but I'm not sure where to look!
[06:50] <senator32> cant wait
[06:51] <bob2> helio7: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:51] <user1> can I put two dns server in resolv.conf ?
[06:51] <user1> so if one dosnt work it will go to other>\\
[06:51] <senator32> thanks bob2
[06:51] <senator32> later
[06:51] <bob2> user1: yes
[06:51] <helio7> ok thanks bob2
[06:51] <user1> how?
[06:51] <bob2> user1: just put another one on a new line
[06:52] <user1> nameserver x.z.a.c
[06:52] <user1> and then nameserver a.b.c.d
[06:52] <bob2> indeed
[06:52] <metalsand> crimsun: You free yet?
[06:52] <crimsun> metalsand: getting there
[06:52] <kwolf> helio7: 6.8.2-10
[06:52] <metalsand> Okies :)
[06:52] <bob2> chasing people on irc is counter productive
[06:53] <user1> or I need to do namserver dns ip , dns ip2?
[06:53] <bob2> user1: as I said, on a new line
[06:53] <REds> gnome-menu-editor doesnt exist is there another way to edit the menu
[06:53] <user1> with nameserver at begin?
[06:53] <helio7> REds: are you in hoary?
[06:53] <bob2> yes
[06:53] <REds> helio7, yep
[06:54] <helio7> reds I simply installed menu-editor via synaptic
[06:54] <Magicbane> I'm on the phone with Adelphia right now to see what my IP is
[06:54] <metalsand> bob2: Not if I catch them :D
[06:54] <helio7> It's a gui editor for the applications menu only I'm pretty sure, but it works well reds
[06:54] <user1> k
[06:54] <user1> I Will check it
[06:54] <user1> thanx
[06:54] <metalsand> bob2: why do you have a 2 on your name?
[06:54] <Boohbah> Magicbane: http://www.whatismyip.org/
[06:55] <bob2> metalsand: why do you have a nonsense nick?
[06:55] <user1> if I am at linux client and I want to connect to other linux like I do in cygwin
[06:56] <user1> I use xwin
[06:56] <user1> can I do the same if I am in linux ?
[06:56] <user1> what command I can use linux like that is like in cygwin xwin?
[06:56] <Boohbah> ssh -X
[06:57] <metalsand> bob2: It's creative... I love the beach - I've grown up and lived in proximity to it all my life, and metal conveys my nerdyness somehow. And it sounds cool.
[06:57] <metalsand> bob2: You didn't answer my question.
[06:57] <user1> I did
[06:57] <user1> and?
[06:57] <user1> I get the screen of ssh
[06:57] <user1> what next?
[06:57] <Magicbane> I have that on my laptop, but won't be the same will it
[06:57] <user1> I dont get gnome manager
[06:57] <Magicbane> bob2: I have an dynamic IP address
[06:57] <user1> like in cygwin
[06:58] <Magicbane> now it is saying activation interface "eth0"
[06:58] <user1> I can see the gnome maanger and other like in cygwin/
[06:59] <anathema> hey..does anyone know how to make gaim flash the notification area when you get a message ?
[06:59] <anathema> like icq style or somehting
[06:59] <anathema> because i never know when i get gaim messages
[06:59] <anathema> dont wanna have to check the window all the time
[06:59] <helio7> no anathema but that would be cool; mine makes a sound
[07:00] <anathema> i dont like sounds on my OS :(
[07:00] <anathema> so there is no plugin for that ?
[07:00] <anathema> or somethign
[07:01] <crimsun> "Message Notification" plugin
[07:02] <Magicbane> anyone have any ideas about my internet thing?
[07:02] <torpid> anathema i don't think gaim can do that.
[07:02] <torpid> it's a huge flaw
[07:02] <torpid> anathema i looked into it once and couldn't figure it out.
[07:02] <anathema> im lookin for this message notification plugin
[07:03] <torpid> all the plugins should be on gaim.sourceforge.net
[07:03] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: what is your internet thing?
[07:03] <torpid> i didn't think there was a plugin like that.
[07:03] <torpid> i just asked in #gaim
[07:04] <dabaSlon> is your internet connection not working?
[07:04] <Magicbane> ok so basically, I configured everything to work with my ethernet card, but it still won't connect
[07:04] <Magicbane> yeah
[07:04] <dabaSlon> right...
[07:04] <dabaSlon> Isd adelphia DSL, or Cable?
[07:04] <crimsun> torpid: / anathema: it's in the plugin list
[07:04] <dabaSlon> I could googl3, I know...
[07:04] <anathema> yeah
[07:04] <crimsun> just check it and configure it
[07:04] <anathema> i mean..its not doing anythign
[07:04] <anathema> as far as i can tell
[07:04] <Chrysaor> anyone using torsmo to retrieve gpu temperatures?
[07:04] <Magicbane> Cable
[07:04] <crimsun> did you configure it to set urgent wm hint, etc.?
[07:04] <dabaSlon> i bet that was a c
[07:05] <anathema> yes
[07:05] <dabaSlon> K, cable...
[07:05] <anathema> whats it supposed to do ?
[07:05] <crimsun> flash in the taskbar
[07:05] <dabaSlon> Uses DHCP, sound familiar?
[07:05] <anathema> nah not doin anything
[07:05] <XplOzIon> greetings
[07:05] <Magicbane> I set it to DHCP
[07:05] <REds> helio7, thanks alot man i was lookn for gnome-menu-editor haha
[07:05] <dabaSlon> Right, they use DHCP...
[07:05] <Magicbane> yeah
[07:05] <anathema> crimsun, ive got it notify for im and chat windows...
[07:05] <dabaSlon> forget everything so far, all your effort, let us start from scratch, it shouold be easier.
[07:05] <crimsun> anathema: same
[07:05] <anathema> set wm urgent
[07:06] <Magicbane> ok
[07:06] <anathema> and all the removes check
[07:06] <anathema> ed
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Open up a terminal, type in ifconfig.
[07:06] <anathema> is that the same as you ?
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Tell me, do you ahve a router?
[07:06] <crimsun> anathema: I'm using the default Remove... options
[07:06] <anathema> hmm
[07:06] <anathema> which are..the last two ?
[07:06] <Magicbane> yeah, I have the modem, and then a wireless router, but I have an ethernet cable running from the router to the computer
[07:07] <SantaOne> what is the main distro which ubuntu comes from please?
[07:07] <Magicbane> and the internet works for all the other computers as wireless, and wire for the same computer but runing windows
[07:07] <crimsun> SantaOne: Debian
[07:07] <dabaSlon> all right...to comfigure this the easiest way, Magicbane, we are mgoing to remove the router, then power cycle.
[07:07] <Magicbane> power cycle?
[07:07] <dabaSlon> Can we do that?
[07:07] <dabaSlon> connect the computer directly to the modem?
[07:07] <SantaOne> crimsun: thats good ... what does ubuntu make better than debian please?
[07:08] <dabaSlon> I gues taht means no connection...
[07:08] <dabaSlon> which is bad...
[07:08] <Magicbane> if I remove the router then I will lose internet on this computer and won't have IRC
[07:08] <dabaSlon> right, so that is out of the question
[07:08] <Magicbane> yeah
[07:08] <dabaSlon> Ok, let me design a solution here:)
[07:08] <Magicbane> but I was using the cable through the router just a few minutes ago on that computer under Windows XP Pro
[07:08] <XplOzIon> hehe
[07:08] <crimsun> SantaOne: there's a variety of info on the wiki, the web, etc. The points of interest are the predictable release schedule and the 18-month support per release, not to mention the encouragement of community participation.
[07:09] <dabaSlon> open a terminal in the meantime on that comptuer, and type in ifconfig, join #flood, and paste it, or use http://pastebin.com to paste there, and give me the URL.
[07:09] <Magicbane> i have it on #flood
[07:09] <Magicbane> I posted it again
[07:10] <dabaSlon> thanks dude.
[07:10] <Magicbane> it is not very well formatted, because I had to type it in
[07:10] <skull> can somebody explain me how can i play my music and videos from a windows partition in gnome
[07:10] <Magicbane> I was wondering that too Skull
[07:10] <dabaSlon> ok, no IP address assigned
[07:10] <Magicbane> or just how to get at those files
[07:10] <dabaSlon> skull: mount the drive...
[07:10] <dabaSlon> to mount a drive...
[07:10] <skull> i did
[07:10] <dabaSlon> create a folder onto which to mount it...
[07:10] <skull> but fisrt only root can get in
[07:10] <crimsun> metalsand: which set of drivers are you using?
[07:10] <dabaSlon> then mount the partition to the drive using right options.
[07:11] <XplOzIon> skull, change its permision or owner
[07:11] <dabaSlon> yes, only root mounts.
[07:11] <XplOzIon> skull, sudo chown -R user:user /folder
[07:11] <XplOzIon> skull, that way you will own that folder where the hdd is mount
[07:11] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: ok, no IP address assigned, what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like?
[07:11] <skull> ok
[07:11] <skull> let me try
[07:11] <dabaSlon> in flood, or pastebin, please.
[07:12] <XplOzIon> correc me anyone if im mistaken :P
[07:12] <dabaSlon> I dont think that has to do with it,...
[07:12] <dabaSlon> only if he mounted it weird.
[07:12] <XplOzIon> true
[07:12] <kakalto> is there a dvd image of kubuntu available via bittorrent
[07:12] <kakalto> ?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> what was yuour command with which you mounted, all of it, skull?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> cd image
[07:13] <Magicbane> it says location is not a folder, daba
[07:13] <dabaSlon> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/hoary/
[07:13] <dabaSlon> jkust a sec
[07:13] <kakalto> thanks
[07:13] <kakalto> but is there a dvd one?
[07:14] <dabaSlon> it is not, it is a file, view it, and paste what it says, please.
[07:14] <dabaSlon> I dont think there aer dvds...burn it onto a DVD:-p
[07:14] <XplOzIon> huh?
[07:14] <kakalto> I'm not sure if my dvd will like that :P
[07:14] <dabaSlon> oh, so there is an issue...
[07:15] <dabaSlon> well, is it a dvd-burner?
[07:15] <dabaSlon> usually they can burn cds too///
[07:15] <revelater> http://www.charlesmarshallcomedy.com/Video/cat.wmv
[07:15] <revelater> check that out
[07:15] <kakalto> burning a cd iso to a dvd?
[07:15] <Magicbane> didn't work for me
[07:15] <kakalto> I don't have any cd's
[07:16] <kakalto> that's the problem
[07:16] <dabaSlon> right, no, what I mean is burn the iso onto a cd, using the dvd-burner, usually they can burn cds, too.
[07:16] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: what did nto work?
[07:16] <kakalto> ah.
[07:16] <dabaSlon> get a cd...
[07:16] <dabaSlon> whats so hard about that?
[07:16] <Magicbane> daba: I'm afraid I don't understand your question
[07:17] <Magicbane> he probably wants to do it now
[07:17] <Magicbane> I did
[07:17] <XplOzIon> revelater, omg that was soo funny!!
[07:17] <dabaSlon> ok, Magicbane: didn't work for me , what did that mean?
[07:17] <revelater> LOL i know
[07:17] <Magicbane> its sick but hilarious
[07:17] <XplOzIon> bahaha
[07:17] <revelater> that cat is still alive
[07:17] <Magicbane> that was on the CD DVD thing
[07:17] <revelater> and living
[07:17] <XplOzIon> lmao
[07:17] <revelater> i know
[07:17] <XplOzIon> brb
[07:18] <Magicbane> they guys were just staring at it
[07:18] <revelater> i watched it like five times already
[07:18] <Magicbane> sick
[07:18] <kakalto> :(
[07:18] <revelater> they tried to turn off the fan...
[07:18] <kakalto> does the ubuntu dvd have kde & stuff on it aswell?
[07:18] <revelater> but low, it was too late
[07:19] <dabaSlon> revelater: ok, no more of that, pls...unless you specify it is not a friendly movie...
[07:19] <Magicbane> I thought it was funny
[07:19] <revelater> the cat is still alive
[07:19] <kakalto> or is it just ubuntu + live?
[07:19] <Magicbane> it was kinda sick too, but funny
[07:19] <revelater> wasn't injured in any way
[07:19] <dabaSlon> there is a kubuntu cd.
[07:19] <revelater> (except maybe pride)
[07:19] <dabaSlon> all right, give a warning...
[07:20] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: how about that file?
[07:20] <Magicbane> should I post it in Flood?
[07:20] <dabaSlon> sure, thanks
[07:20] <Magicbane> ok
[07:21] <revelater> good doppler effect though
[07:22] <dabaSlon> poor maca, is al I can say...(maca=cat in my language)
[07:22] <XplOzIon> gimmie more sIcK videos!!  =P
[07:22] <kakalto> there is a kubuntu dvd iso!
[07:22] <dabaSlon> sweet for you!
[07:22] <revelater> lol, fresh out, sorry :(
[07:22] <metalsand> crimsun: You free? :P
[07:22] <Magicbane> its up
[07:22] <metalsand> I've been trying to get my phpbb forums configured. So no rush
[07:23] <kakalto> why exactly cd's are more expensive than dvds, I don't know
[07:23] <Magicbane> Daba what nationality are you?
[07:23] <crimsun> metalsand: I asked you earlier which set you're using
[07:23] <dabaSlon> croatian
[07:23] <Magicbane> awesome
[07:23] <metalsand> set? Meanign drivers?
[07:23] <crimsun> yes
[07:23] <metalsand> hostAP
[07:23] <metalsand> That's what ivoks and djm86 recommended earlier
[07:24] <Magicbane> I posted the interfaces thing in flood
[07:24] <dabaSlon> have you rebooted the machine yet, Magicbane?
[07:24] <dabaSlon> thanks
[07:24] <crimsun> don't know pcmcia very well
[07:24] <metalsand> djm took me through the install but had to leave before everything was all set. so I finished with the install
[07:24] <Magicbane> yeah
[07:24] <Magicbane> its up and stuff
[07:24] <metalsand> and now modprobe shows no error for the host AP module
[07:24] <skull> sd
[07:24] <metalsand> but my card isn't detected anymore, either. So I'm worse then I started out
[07:24] <dabaSlon> ok, let me see what a good DHCP entry looks like.
[07:24] <oasiao> Anyone know of a good web site creator , for ubuntu, similiar to frontpage, dreamweaver
[07:24] <Magicbane> ok thanks
[07:24] <dabaSlon> yeah
[07:25] <anathema> damnit i found some patch..to make gaim do it
[07:25] <anathema> patches libwnck
[07:25] <dabaSlon> oasiao: it is called nVu
[07:25] <revelater> i have a vid of a peguin bitch slapping another penguin...
[07:25] <dabaSlon> installtion notes: http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu .
[07:26] <revelater> http://www.joked.com/content/2004/Apr2004/21/joked-dot-com-penguin-smack.wmv
[07:26] <oasiao> ah dabaSlon the man , thanks
[07:27] <Magicbane> that penguin never saw it coming
[07:27] <XplOzIon> revelater, ROFL!!!! i have seen it before, still makes me laught!!
[07:28] <revelater> lol
[07:28] <kwolf> LMAO
[07:28] <metalsand> crimsun?
[07:29] <oasiao> i wonder what penguin taste like
[07:29] <metalsand> Hrmmm.
[07:29] <anathema> doh this is impossible
[07:29] <metalsand> anathema: You trying to get a Senao SL 2511 configured for Ubuntu?
[07:29] <metalsand> ;)
[07:29] <marcel_> any body here can say what i have to do to play wmv files in toten?
[07:30] <Magicbane> dabaslon: any ideas?
[07:30] <metalsand> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:30] <metalsand> marcel_ : Check that out.
[07:31] <anathema> haha nope
[07:31] <marcel_> im checking...
[07:31] <anathema> trying to patch libwnck to change the behavior of...the icon
[07:31] <anathema> notification
[07:31] <anathema> in gaim
[07:31] <revelater> see if this works for you all
[07:32] <revelater> http://www.funny-animations.com/monkeypee.mpeg
[07:32] <daniels> revelater: what exactly is that?
[07:32] <revelater> not sure
[07:32] <revelater> a link to download a movie
[07:32] <revelater> hopefully
[07:32] <metalsand> crimsun died on me.
[07:33] <crimsun> sorry, I'm at work, so I'm in and out
[07:33] <Magicbane> http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/stfu.php
[07:33] <Magicbane> I still like it
[07:33] <metalsand> Oh. No worries, whatever you can do ma
[07:33] <oasiao> dabaSlon , i remember nVu , duh, man a few months ago on windows xp i used it and stuff
[07:33] <oasiao> made everything easy
[07:34] <tga> timidity is distorting like hell on Unison.sf2 sample midis.. can I do anything about it?
[07:34] <crimsun> metalsand: which hostap version?
[07:35] <crimsun> tga: turn down the volume?
[07:35] <revelater> that was funny
[07:36] <metalsand> crimsun: The -686 kernel version
[07:36] <tga> crimsun: it starts making funny noises after a bit, I think it's overloading or something
[07:36] <danko123456> see me>
[07:36] <danko123456> am i here?
[07:36] <Magicbane> does anyone have a good tutorial on getting a network connection to work
[07:37] <danko123456> sweet
[07:37] <punkass_> a buddy of mine is having a hard time logging into gdm, its getting this error
[07:37] <punkass_> GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:37] <danko123456> Ok, got your configration, Magicbane
[07:37] <punkass_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:37] <crimsun> metalsand: 0.2.6?
[07:37] <crimsun> metalsand: (I presume you used hostap-source)
[07:37] <danko123456> Magicbane: I got your configuration...
[07:37] <danko123456> sorry I got dropped off the connection,
[07:37] <Magicbane> danko: which configuration is that?
[07:38] <Magicbane> I'm a tad off of it now
[07:38] <danko123456> ok, go to a terminal...
[07:38] <Magicbane> ok
[07:38] <punkass_> this he gets this:  WARNING **: Failed to authenticate with GDM
[07:38] <danko123456> sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:38] <punkass_> any thoughts?
[07:38] <metalsand> crimsun: Yes
[07:38] <metalsand> I used hostap-source
[07:38] <Magicbane> ok it opened interfaces
[07:38] <danko123456> then, comment everything out except the entry for the loopbakc...
[07:39] <crimsun> metalsand: and you have all the necessary packages installed? -utils, ..apd, etc.
[07:39] <Magicbane> just delete it?
[07:39] <metalsand> I'm not qutie sure
[07:40] <metalsand> I have linux headers, linux source for my kernel, wireless utils
[07:40] <metalsand> What's apd?
[07:40] <danko123456> Magicbane: sorry bout the delay...
[07:40] <danko123456> Magicbane: make it look like this for a start: http://pastebin.com/281537 .
[07:40] <Magicbane> no problem
[07:40] <danko123456> Now, then save, and reboot, or if ifdown eth0 works, do that, then ifup eth0
[07:41] <danko123456> all sudo.
[07:41] <synd> hmm
[07:41] <synd> i cant get this dell l1000r tower to boot from CD
[07:41] <danko123456> that may not yet work, but there is one more thing to try, I was not sure about the exact look if the interrfaces file...
[07:41] <Magicbane> what do you mean ifdown eth0 works?  (sorry, really new to Linux)
[07:42] <danko123456> just reboot, it is easier, and you are on a different computer anyhow.
[07:42] <Magicbane> synd: did you check under bios your boot priority?
[07:42] <Magicbane> ok
[07:42] <danko123456> k
[07:42] <synd> Magicbane: i dont know how to check that
[07:42] <Magicbane> restarting
[07:43] <dbaSlon> hit the f2, or del button when booting.
[07:43] <dbaSlon> then, BIOS will open.
[07:43] <Magicbane> ok restart your computer, and immediately hit delet until bios comes up
[07:43] <dbaSlon> dont change anything, except what says boot sequence,
[07:43] <synd> yeah it just says that it cant boot from the floppy
[07:43] <Magicbane> yeah, like DBA said
[07:43] <dbaSlon> see if it can boot from cd
[07:43] <synd> ok.
[07:43] <synd> one sec
[07:43] <dbaSlon> ok
[07:43] <dbaSlon> f2 on dells at my work..
[07:43] <dbaSlon> del on most computers, though.
[07:44] <Magicbane> ok
[07:44] <jay> hello
[07:44] <dbaSlon> so, rebooted?
[07:44] <Magicbane> that's what threw me
[07:44] <dbaSlon> hey, Jay...
[07:44] <Magicbane> loggin on now
[07:44] <synd> this dell is a good 4 years old
[07:44] <jay> hi dbsalon
[07:44] <synd> 5 even
[07:44] <dbaSlon> cool, maybe it is del, maybe f2, or maybe, something else.
[07:44] <dbaSlon> jay: whats up?
[07:44] <Magicbane> it says network devices not found
[07:44] <jay> i have a question, does anyone here use vhcs combined with drupal?
[07:44] <Magicbane> under network tools
[07:45] <crimsun> metalsand: have you followed the hostap instructions?
[07:45] <punkass_> GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:45] <dbaSlon> ok, change the interfaces to this: http://pastebin.com/281538
[07:45] <punkass_> any thoughts on that error?
[07:45] <Magicbane> ok
[07:45] <dbaSlon> jay: not me, I know there is a thread on vhcs on ubuntuforums.
[07:46] <dbaSlon> sounds like wrong password... punkass_
[07:46] <dbaSlon> to an untrained eye;)
[07:46] <punkass_> heh yeah but its not...can log in fine via terminal (Ctrl-Alt-Fx)
[07:46] <jay> my proble, and no one at ubuntu has been able to help, is that i need to know how to pull up the drupal login page even though vhcs owns the localhost
[07:46] <dbaSlon> is it hoary?
[07:47] <punkass_> yes
[07:47] <dbaSlon> was it warty?
[07:47] <punkass_> yes
[07:47] <dbaSlon> upgraded, or hoary install?
[07:47] <punkass_> upgrade
[07:47] <Magicbane> done and saved
[07:47] <Magicbane> now what?
[07:47] <dbaSlon> again reboot
[07:47] <Magicbane> ok
[07:47] <dbaSlon> some things can go wrong during the upgrade...
[07:48] <dbaSlon> crimsun: do you ahve any info for this guy?
[07:48] <metalsand> crimsun: Yes. To the point where I just built the module... Then the person who was helping me from there left
[07:48] <punkass_> gdm asks for username and password...gets entered then waits a sec and returns with no errors but does not log in
[07:48] <metalsand> Modprobe shows no error for it, yet it doesn't work
[07:48] <crimsun> metalsand: but have you followed the wireless lan how-to?
[07:49] <metalsand> I don't know for certain, do you have a link?
[07:49] <dbaSlon> hah
[07:49] <dbaSlon> stay black...
[07:49] <Magicbane> now the only network device it shows is loopback interface (lo)
[07:49] <crimsun> metalsand: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11b.html#Prism2
[07:50] <punkass_> yeah this is pretty wierd
[07:50] <crimsun> dbaSlon: which guy, and what issue(s)?
[07:50] <synd> so how long is it til breezy will be stable
[07:50] <punkass_> cuz it was working even after the update...but now its not
[07:50] <punkass_> me crimsun :)
[07:50] <dbaSlon> punkass...can not log in through the gdm...
[07:50] <dbaSlon> gets errror, see above.
[07:50] <darmou> Does anyone know of a hot backup solution, ie back up the hd to dvd
[07:50] <punkass_> gdm asks for username and password...gets entered then waits a sec and returns with no errors but does not log in
[07:50] <dbaSlon> can sign in with same username and password through a terminal
[07:50] <darmou> and then being able to reboot from the dvd and recover from it
[07:51] <dbaSlon> upgraded to hoary from warty, as well, you may want to know...
[07:51] <punkass_> crimsun: GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:51] <anathema> jesus im actually patching libwnck
[07:51] <darmou> I've heard there is a system called linux-ghost that might help
[07:51] <anathema> haha
[07:51] <dbaSlon> Magicbane: hm...
[07:51] <Magicbane> yeah, this thing is kinda being a pain
[07:51] <dbaSlon> go back to the previous interfaces then.
[07:51] <Magicbane> selfish computer
[07:51] <Magicbane> do you have the original interface?
[07:52] <dbaSlon> make it shown in the http://pastebin.com/281537
[07:52] <crimsun> punkass_: what does the gdm process report in /var/log/auth.log?
[07:52] <dbaSlon> make the eth0 shown in yourSystem, Administration Networking.
[07:53] <dbaSlon> then, configure it through there to use DHCP.
[07:53] <Magicbane> what do you mean by that?
[07:53] <dbaSlon> Well, you said now only lo is shown...
[07:53] <Magicbane> yeah
[07:53] <dbaSlon> make the interfaces as they were on that last link
[07:53] <Magicbane> o
[07:53] <Magicbane> ok
[07:53] <Magicbane> I got ya
[07:53] <shad0w1e> any simple way to copy my entire linux over to a new hard drive?
[07:53] <dbaSlon> Then, reboot again, just for fun...
[07:54] <synd> yay i got the dell to boot from CDROM
[07:54] <abarbaccia> anybody here good with sound - my sound only has two modes - mute and on
[07:54] <synd> :D
[07:54] <dbaSlon> sweet, synd
[07:54] <Eighth> ouch :P
[07:54] <abarbaccia> shad0w1e, are the drives the same size?
[07:54] <dbaSlon> abarbaccia: ask crimsun
[07:54] <dbaSlon> crimsun: :p
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> crazy Dell... i was having trouble just the other day getting my old Dimension 500 to boot from a cd.
[07:54] <shad0w1e> abarbaccia: OF COURSE NOT!
[07:54] <OrangeSlice> lol
[07:54] <synd> wish it was as easy as it is on Macs :p
[07:54] <synd> just hold C and turn on
[07:54] <abarbaccia> crimsun, you there? i got a nice referrence for you to help me out!
[07:54] <synd> cake :p
[07:54] <crimsun> abarbaccia: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[07:54] <shad0w1e> additionally, I'm using ext2. I'd like to upgrade that as well...
[07:54] <synd> OrangeSlice: i feel that
[07:55] <abarbaccia> that's it?
[07:55] <Magicbane> sorry, how do I get to edit interfaces?
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> loading Hoary onto that box now :p
[07:55] <Magicbane> as opposed to read only
[07:55] <synd> OrangeSlice: im putting hoary on an old dimension l1000r
[07:55] <synd> as we speak :d
[07:55] <abarbaccia> crimsun, no mixers huh?
[07:55] <dbaSlon> sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces ...scrolling up also helps:p
[07:55] <OrangeSlice> hehe, yep
[07:55] <Magicbane> thanks, but I lost the thing up top
[07:55] <dbaSlon> cool
[07:55] <Magicbane> I forgot where it was
[07:56] <metasquier> Hey Hey!!
[07:56] <dbaSlon> yo!
[07:56] <crimsun> abarbaccia: what does that command return?
[07:56] <torpid> when i put my hd into my new p4 system, it won't boot up.  some kind of system failure.
[07:56] <metasquier> hows everyone enjoying thier ubuntu?
[07:56] <dbaSlon> torpid: hehe
[07:56] <torpid> is there any way i can tell it to use a different kernel?
[07:56] <dbaSlon> I love it myself.
[07:56] <abarbaccia> Mixers:   0: C-Media Electronics CMI9761
[07:56] <ivoks> shad0w1e to what?
[07:56] <ivoks> shad0w1e ext3?
[07:57] <abarbaccia> torpid, yes, change the bootloader to boot to a different kernel
[07:57] <Magicbane> restarting just for fun
[07:57] <Magicbane> love that book
[07:57] <dbaSlon> cool
[07:57] <torpid> hmm..i tried every kernel available and none worked.
[07:57] <abarbaccia> torpid, but i think your problem is more complicated than that
[07:57] <torpid> :/
[07:57] <dbaSlon> torpid: you can not just take a hard drive with an install, and put it into another computer....
[07:57] <shad0w1e> I suppose. Unless you think reiserFS is better...
[07:57] <dbaSlon> am I right here?
[07:57] <abarbaccia> torpid, did you take your old hdd from a completely different computer and put it in another computer - because that just  doesnt work
[07:58] <torpid> i don't see any reason not.
[07:58] <dbaSlon> he needs to install again.
[07:58] <torpid> why wouldn't that work?
[07:58] <dbaSlon> cause al the hardware is different
[07:58] <shad0w1e> sudo sh -c "find ./ -xdev -print0 | cpio -pa0V /mnt/hdb1"
[07:58] <shad0w1e> wil that command do it?
[07:58] <Magicbane> on the boot menu, what is the difference between the generic default, generic and all that stuff
[07:58] <abarbaccia> crimsun, did you get my other post?  Mixers:   0: C-Media Electronics CMI9761
[07:58] <dbaSlon> and the install remembers what is on the old hardware.
[07:58] <torpid> if the kernel is one that works on a celeron, i would think a p4 would still run it.
[07:58] <ivoks> shad0w1e upgrade to ext3 is without loosing data, upgrade to other filesystems needs formating partition
[07:58] <torpid> it should be able to dynamically use the necessary drivers.
[07:58] <torpid> oh, maybe it's my rc.modules
[07:58] <dbaSlon> torpid: you got mistaken a little,
[07:58] <ivoks> shad0w1e reiser is bad filesystem... don't use it
[07:58] <abarbaccia> torpid, yes, the kernel would run, but what about all the hardware its expecting to find and such?
[07:58] <torpid> how so?
[07:59] <shad0w1e> ivoks: so what is good
[07:59] <torpid> what do you mean "expected" to find.
[07:59] <torpid> you mean what is in modules.rc?
[07:59] <ivoks> shad0w1e xfs
[07:59] <torpid> er..rc.modules.
[07:59] <ivoks> shad0w1e and ext3
[07:59] <dbaSlon> it knows what hardware you have...
[07:59] <abarbaccia> yes, and many other scripts that get preconfigured at install
[07:59] <torpid> lol
[07:59] <shad0w1e> is one more backwards compatible or somewthing?
[07:59] <dbaSlon> on the coputer you installed, and expects that...
[07:59] <ivoks> shad0w1e ?
[07:59] <torpid> ahh..perhaps that is true.
[07:59] <Magicbane> ethernet thing is back on
[07:59] <shad0w1e> idk which is better: xfs or exts
[07:59] <shad0w1e> ext3
[08:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: sorry, active on a few networks
[08:00] <dbaSlon> ok, go to System, Administration, Netowrking.
[08:00] <abarbaccia> torpid, best bet is to do a fresh install, but backup your home directory and anything else you might have chagned
[08:00] <torpid> man..i want to use this new computer, but the hard drive i'll be using doesn't come in until tomorrow. :/
[08:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: I presume you're using the default Hoary kernel?
[08:00] <abarbaccia> at worst you have to reinstall a few programs
[08:00] <ivoks> shad0w1e xfs is best fs for linux
[08:00] <dbaSlon> like your web server directory
[08:00] <Magicbane> done
[08:00] <shad0w1e> ivoks: I assume it's indexed?
[08:00] <dbaSlon> k, is the eth0 shown there?
[08:00] <torpid> i need to get a hoary install iso
[08:00] <abarbaccia> crimsun, well, no - im using an smp 2.6.10-5
[08:00] <Magicbane> yeah
[08:00] <ivoks> shad0w1e indexed?
[08:00] <abarbaccia> 686
[08:01] <dbaSlon> ok, select it, and click configure
[08:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: well, that's a ubuntu-provided one, that'll suffice
[08:01] <Magicbane> ethernet connection, the interface eth0 is active
[08:01] <ivoks> shad0w1e it's journal fs
[08:01] <dbaSlon> or properties, rather.
[08:01] <abarbaccia> yea
[08:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: so you're using 1.0.6
[08:01] <shad0w1e> i meant journaled..
[08:01] <Magicbane> ok
[08:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[08:01] <abarbaccia> 1.0.6?  what do you mean
[08:01] <shad0w1e> on another note, I have another system running ext2. Without doing anything too complicated, can I upgrade it to ext3?
[08:01] <crimsun> abarbaccia: (cat /proc/asound/version)
[08:01] <dbaSlon> you have that scripted, crimsun...
[08:01] <dbaSlon> same exact wording each time...
[08:01] <crimsun> dbaSlon: I really should...
[08:01] <ivoks> shad0w1e yes, u need 2 minutes top for that
[08:01] <abarbaccia> yea
[08:02] <sir-gold> crimsun: i read your profile on the wiki, im suprised you have time for IRC at all
[08:02] <dbaSlon> oh, that is why everyone has me under wriong name:))
[08:02] <sir-gold> let alone multiple channels
[08:02] <crimsun> sir-gold: it was much easier when I was a grad student, I admit
[08:02] <dabaSlon> ok, Magicbane, now...
[08:02] <Magicbane> so "This device is configured" is checked  and config is on DHCP
[08:02] <synd> ok im running into a "Debootstrap error: when trying to install the base system with hoary
[08:02] <abarbaccia> http://pastebin.com/281540
[08:02] <dabaSlon> all right, that should be it.
[08:02] <synd> i havent gotten an error like this before..
[08:03] <shad0w1e> ivoks: thanks
[08:03] <dabaSlon> type in ifconfig in a terminal, and paste it again
[08:03] <ivoks> shad0w1e which partition you want to change?
[08:03] <Magicbane> ok
[08:03] <dabaSlon> thanks
[08:03] <abarbaccia> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/281540
[08:03] <Magicbane> i have to type it though, so it'll take some time
[08:03] <dabaSlon> k
[08:04] <dabaSlon> then, just look for this;...
[08:04] <synd> im running into a "Debootstrap error" when trying to install the base system with hoary
[08:04] <synd> any help?
[08:04] <dabaSlon> inet addr:142.161.156.182
[08:04] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: tell me what the inet addr is,
[08:05] <dabaSlon> heh, I take my IP back...
[08:05] <crimsun> abarbaccia: hmm, your mixer looks fine; you just need to increase Master, unmute PCM (and increase it), and mute IEC958 Capture Monitor
[08:05] <dabaSlon> sd
[08:05] <OrangeSlice> hmm after installing Hoary and rebooting it took me to a Grub command prompt... now what :p
[08:06] <dabaSlon> now reinstall.
[08:06] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:06] <dabaSlon> jj
[08:06] <synd> ha
[08:06] <synd> now throw your computer out the window of a 3 story window
[08:06] <dabaSlon> hahha
[08:06] <dabaSlon> lol
[08:06] <abarbaccia> crimsun, when i go to volume control prefs, it has 2 choices - the cmedia and then an INTEL ICH5 (ALSA Mixer) is that okay?
[08:06] <OrangeSlice> bah, hehe
[08:07] <dabaSlon> you can type in alsamixer in a terminal
[08:07] <crimsun> abarbaccia: use alsamixer, as dabaSlon suggested
[08:07] <dabaSlon> abarbaccia: type that in, and use that program that opens to do what he said.
[08:07] <dabaSlon> m mutes/unmutes...
[08:07] <dabaSlon> up down increase/decrease
[08:08] <shad0w1e> ivoks: thanks a lot. I think i'm good...
[08:08] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: hope you read my post when I said to tell me only the inet addr.
[08:08] <dennis__> how come they took python out of the open office distribution
[08:08] <dabaSlon> We think you are ok too, shad0w1e
[08:08] <Magicbane> I poseted it
[08:09] <dabaSlon> still wrong IP address.
[08:09] <anathema> well
[08:09] <Magicbane> darn
[08:09] <anathema> that patching was a miserable failure
[08:09] <anathema> doh
[08:09] <dabaSlon> actually, not really a wrong one, just none...
[08:09] <abarbaccia> crimsun, still no luck - no matter how much i change it - my volume goes off at mute and on everywhere else - just no difference in levels
[08:09] <dabaSlon> ok, now, I think it is your router, or something along those lines...
[08:10] <Magicbane> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:10] <dabaSlon> this is the next thing you are going to do, and this should be it...
[08:10] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you have to use the softvol pcm plugin, then
[08:10] <dabaSlon> and, I dont have anything to add, either, your Linux seems fine to me.
[08:10] <crimsun> abarbaccia: but I presume you made the changes I stated?
[08:10] <dabaSlon>  increase Master, unmute PCM (and increase it), and mute IEC958 Capture Monitor
[08:10] <dabaSlon> ok...magicbane...now you are gonna power cycle.
[08:11] <Magicbane> its funny cause it worked fine under suse and mandrake
[08:11] <Magicbane> power cycle?  what is that?
[08:11] <dabaSlon> All your computers are gonna go off line...is taht ok? just for a few minutes...
[08:11] <chopper> hi! how can i install a .bin file?
[08:11] <Magicbane> yeah its cool
[08:11] <dabaSlon> Ill paste you a script for power cycling from work:)
[08:11] <Magicbane> I just gotta get all the info cause this'll go down
[08:11] <dabaSlon> ./filename.bin
[08:11] <KriegGoD> i just did the dist update thing, do i need all of the deb files that are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[08:11] <chopper> thanx
[08:12] <dabaSlon> first sudo chmod +x filename.ext
[08:12] <ivoks> KriegGoD apt-get clean
[08:12] <darmou> Can anyone recomend any dual layer dvd burners for ubuntu?
[08:12] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: this is the process...
[08:12] <KriegGoD> thank you
[08:12] <Magicbane> ready
[08:12] <dabaSlon> just a sec
[08:12] <abarbaccia> crimsun, yes, i made all the changes yet still the same problem - how do i use the softvol pcm plugin
[08:12] <punkass_> well i got logged in...seemed i had a share that was trying to be mounted that it didnt like
[08:13] <crimsun> abarbaccia: just for reference, paste your amixer output to http://pastebin.com again
[08:13] <ivoks> abarbaccia and di you unmute channels?
[08:13] <punkass_> but now after i hit enter from gdm i get a brown screen and a cursor for about 60 or so seconds then the desktop finally loads
[08:14] <chopper> anyone knows if there is a macromedia flash player for 64bits?
[08:14] <crimsun> punkass_: sorry, what did /var/log/auth.log tell you about gdm?
[08:14] <abarbaccia> http://pastebin.com/281541
[08:14] <abarbaccia> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/281541
[08:15] <ivoks> abarbaccia External Amplifier - is it muted?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: no script:(
[08:15] <dabaSlon> anyhow...
[08:15] <Levander> somebody was telling me I should use some program like afsd I think it was called so that it would "detect" when my smb shares had become unmounted.  He said this was the program that NFS mounts use.  Anybody remember the name of this program?
[08:15] <nascent16> does anybody know why my network connection would need to be toggled when i start up?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> power everything down, unplug the mode from teh power...
[08:15] <dabaSlon> Wait a minute...then turn on the modm.
[08:15] <dabaSlon> Once the lights on it get solid, turn on the router.
[08:15] <crimsun> arbscht: External Amplifier should be unmuted (on), but that won't really matter
[08:15] <crimsun> arbscht: sorry
[08:16] <crimsun> abarbaccia: External Amplifier should be unmuted (on), but that won't really matter
[08:16] <dabaSlon> After that, turn on all your computers, afetr a few seconds.
[08:16] <Levander> nascent16: what do you mean toggled?  you mean you need to run a script to enable your connection?
[08:16] <punkass_> crimsun: well not much now, as it seems to be logging in fine now
[08:16] <ivoks> crimsun on some it will
[08:16] <Magicbane> ok
[08:16] <dabaSlon> Magicbane: got it?
[08:16] <dabaSlon> turn everything off.
[08:16] <Magicbane> yeah
[08:16] <dabaSlon> plug oout modem power cord...
[08:16] <ivoks> crimsun here, ig i mute external, nothing will work
[08:16] <Cybermagellan> hey all
[08:16] <punkass_> crimsun: but it just has about a 60 second delay after you enter your username and password in gdm
[08:16] <Magicbane> turn all off, then on
[08:16] <abarbaccia> crimsun, i turned if off because im not using on - it made no difference
[08:16] <dabaSlon> then turn on after a minute
[08:17] <dabaSlon> first modem...
[08:17] <crimsun> ivoks: yes, that's a "feature" that was fixed in 1.0.9rc
[08:17] <Magicbane> then router
[08:17] <dabaSlon> then lights aer sl\olid on the modem., and you turn on the router.
[08:17] <Magicbane> then computers
[08:17] <dabaSlon> then computer.
[08:17] <Magicbane> ok
[08:17] <dabaSlon> right
[08:17] <crimsun> ivoks: now you -must- unmute it
[08:17] <dabaSlon> Good Luck!!!
[08:17] <metasquier> Does anyone here live in Hamilton?
[08:17] <ivoks> crimsun yes
[08:17] <crimsun> punkass_: sounds like a name resolution issue
[08:18] <crimsun> punkass_: (and I presume lo is up)
[08:18] <punkass_> like from /etc/hosts or somthing?
[08:18] <punkass_> yes lo is up
[08:18] <crimsun> punkass_: more like /etc/resolv.conf
[08:18] <crimsun> likely
[08:19] <Cybermagellan> Hey what do you guys think of a ubuntu promotion site?
[08:19] <punkass_> ok ill check that out
[08:19] <Cybermagellan> Like what I have been suggesting on the mail list?
[08:19] <dabaSlon> I think that promotion is ok.
[08:19] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:20] <Cybermagellan> OK...something like spreadfirefox.com
[08:20] <Cybermagellan> something like that sound good?
[08:20] <dabaSlon> something like spam bots...
[08:20] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:21] <Cybermagellan> bah
[08:21] <dabaSlon> so millions of users know the name:)
[08:21] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you need to construct an /etc/asound.conf (or ~/.asoundrc) with the following: pcm.soft { type softvol  slave.pcm "hw:0,0" } ctl.soft { type hw  card 0 } pcm.!default { type plug  slave.pcm "soft" }
[08:21] <dabaSlon> jj, of source.
[08:21] <dabaSlon> heh
[08:22] <dabaSlon> I just heard a shot...
[08:22] <dabaSlon> I think it was a shot, anyhow...
[08:23] <abarbaccia> crimsun, okay i made the .asoundrc file in my home dir.  Now i added those lines to the file - reboot or what?
[08:23] <dabaSlon> killall alsa?
[08:23] <asynic> abarbaccia: rebooting is for windows users.
[08:24] <abarbaccia> restart X
[08:24] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you'll need to install libesd-alsa0
[08:24] <crimsun> abarbaccia: and log out and back in
[08:24] <metalsand> crimsun: Yes, I've read that guide. But there wasn't anything that listed exactly how to install host AP
[08:24] <dabaSlon> that means he installed it, I suppose.
[08:26] <abarbaccia> crimsun, still no luck - i really don't get it at all
[08:27] <dabaSlon> abarbaccia: works?
[08:27] <dabaSlon> abarbaccia: did you install libesd-alsa0?
[08:27] <abarbaccia> yes
[08:27] <dabaSlon> k
[08:27] <dabaSlon> just checking...
[08:27] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:27] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you don't have anything strange like multiple input/output jacks, correct? (like ones at the front panel and ones at the rear)
[08:27] <Levander> Has anybody run XP Services for UNIX to share NFS files with their Linux box?  just wondering how easy it is to setup, how well it runs
[08:28] <MetallicB> My friends got a girlfriend he hate's that bitch he tells me every day.....  i will pay i will pay no way.... now wont you get a job
[08:28] <abarbaccia> no
[08:28] <dabaSlon> crimsun: you should check his amixer again
[08:28] <crimsun> abarbaccia: lsof /dev/dsp*
[08:28] <dabaSlon> Levander: do you know of samba?
[08:28] <Cybermagellan> MetallicB: Please respect the room
[08:28] <MetallicB> Its a song
[08:29] <abarbaccia> crimsun, was there susposed to be some output to tha?
[08:29] <MetallicB> The offspring - why dont you get a job
[08:29] <MetallicB> :o)
[08:29] <dabaSlon> right, why dont you get a job...
[08:29] <dabaSlon> MetallicB: congrats on taking the time to type out a song...
[08:29] <MetallicB> I have few weeks off my work
[08:29] <Levander> dabaSlon: yeah, i do, but i wanna look into this Services for UNIX thing, may get into NIS later
[08:29] <crimsun> abarbaccia: no
[08:29] <abarbaccia> crimsun, good
[08:29] <MetallicB> lol
[08:29] <abarbaccia> lol
[08:29] <crimsun> abarbaccia: now, lsof /dev/snd/*
[08:29] <dabaSlon> Levander: cool, just checking:)
[08:29] <Cybermagellan> [23:29]  <MetallicB> I have few weeks off my work = Fired
[08:29] <torpid> with a creative commons license, can you change the conditions of the license at a later date?
[08:29] <abarbaccia> alright
[08:29] <torpid> anyone know?
[08:30] <desrt> torpid; if you are the content creator you can do whatever you want
[08:30] <desrt> torpid; including switch to a completely different license
[08:30] <dabaSlon> Cybermagellan: thats mean...
[08:30] <dabaSlon> although, perhaps very logical
[08:31] <sir-gold> doesn't changing licenses only affect additions made after the license change?
[08:31] <desrt> sir-gold; in the sense that any old releases under the old license continue to be available under that license, yes.
[08:31] <desrt> sir-gold; but any new releases (including all of the old parts) are also covered under the new license
[08:32] <abarbaccia> crimsun, still no changes
[08:32] <crimsun> abarbaccia: (I'm waiting for the output)
[08:32] <sir-gold> otherwise you could write something in GPL, wait for it to become big, then change licenses and sue everyone who uses your program
[08:32] <abarbaccia> crimsun, no output
[08:32] <dabaSlon> that guy magicbane never came back, I wonder if he can get online now...
[08:32] <desrt> sir-gold; except that the old version would continue to be under gpl
[08:33] <desrt> sir-gold; but if they want to upgrade to the new version you can set whatever terms you want
[08:33] <sir-gold> ok, thats what i thought
[08:33] <punkass_> why would something called xlyap be using 99% of my cpu usage?
[08:33] <crimsun> abarbaccia: run the test tool in System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Audio Sink
[08:33] <torpid> so say i release a song under a license that says you can freely copy it, but later i want to make it so that you can't do that anymore.  no way?
[08:33] <desrt> torpid; nope.
[08:33] <torpid> then i guess a creative commons license isn't for me.
[08:34] <punkass_> oh nm screensaver
[08:34] <desrt> torpid; if anyone still has a copy of the song that they downloaded under the original license then they have the right to freely redistribute it
[08:34] <abarbaccia> failed to construct pipeline for esd
[08:34] <abarbaccia> failed to construct pipeline for esd, crimsun
[08:34] <dabaSlon> punkass_: haha
[08:34] <punkass_> i am in via ssh
[08:34] <sir-gold> torpid, if that worked, ubuntu probably wouldn't exist
[08:34] <crimsun> abarbaccia: in System>Preferences>Sound, is Enable sound server startup checked?
[08:34] <punkass_> so i didnt realize
[08:34] <torpid> i can just specify on my site that people can freely distribute the music, but that right remains subject to change at my discretion.
[08:34] <dabaSlon> right, no, its cool.
[08:34] <abarbaccia> crimsun, yes
[08:34] <punkass_> funny tho that a screensaver would take up 99% of the cpu
[08:34] <desrt> torpid; no.  because then they can't freely redistribute
[08:34] <crimsun> abarbaccia: ok, in a terminal, execute esd
[08:34] <desrt> torpid; how are you going to make sure everyone knows that you've changed your mind?
[08:35] <torpid> i can't.
[08:35] <punkass_> probably an opengl one
[08:35] <desrt> exactly
[08:35] <torpid> it doesn't matter.
[08:35] <abarbaccia> ALSA lib pcm_softvol.c:891:(_snd_pcm_softvol_open) control is not defined
[08:35] <torpid> i can specify that it is their responsibility to be sure.
[08:35] <desrt> it sounds like you probably want "free to download, but don't redistribute"
[08:35] <abarbaccia> ALSA lib pcm_softvol.c:891:(_snd_pcm_softvol_open) control is not defined, crimsun
[08:35] <dabaSlon> awww, a sorry face, taht is your errr...
[08:35] <torpid> or i can specify an expiration date subject to their re-verification that it has been extended.
[08:35] <sir-gold> torpid, the only thing you could is give it away free, but specify that it can't be redistributed
[08:35] <dabaSlon> are you trying to entrap ppl?
[08:36] <desrt> ya.. seriously
[08:36] <torpid> i might want to allow it to be redistributed.
[08:36] <desrt> just cc it
[08:36] <torpid> with the condition that that right is only valid for a period of one year.
[08:36] <dabaSlon> are you writing a song?
[08:36] <torpid> and then just extend it each year as i choose.
[08:36] <torpid> http://brokenladder.com/
[08:37] <dabaSlon> cool, my sister is a songwriter too.
[08:37] <sir-gold> torpid why would it matter? if you are a good musician you can just write more and people will buy the new stuff
[08:37] <torpid> lol
[08:37] <desrt> woh
[08:37] <torpid> people don't just "buy" everything because i musician is good.
[08:37] <crimsun> abarbaccia: err, sorry, the info I gave you is outdated
[08:37] <desrt> you can safely put your website under creative commons
[08:37] <torpid> you have to get your name out and establish a fan base.
[08:37] <desrt> nobody will want to copy that :)
[08:38] <crimsun> abarbaccia: get rid of the ctl.softvol {} section
[08:38] <torpid> :/
[08:38] <torpid> wtf
[08:38] <sir-gold> torpid i meant once your fan base was established
[08:38] <crimsun> abarbaccia: err, the ctl.soft {} section
[08:38] <abarbaccia> anything else crimsun or just delete it
[08:38] <metalsand> crimsun: Are you still available?
[08:38] <metalsand> I'm completely free, now. So I can follow your every bit of advice. I'm really determined to get this thing working.
[08:39] <dabaSlon> I agree taht you are determined!
[08:39] <dabaSlon> desrt: was that a diss?
[08:39] <desrt> dabaSlon; more or less :)
[08:39] <crimsun> abarbaccia: instead, in the pcm.soft {} section, add: control { name "hw:0,0" }
[08:39] <desrt> dabaSlon; it wasn't a very serious one
[08:39] <dabaSlon> hehe
[08:40] <crimsun> abarbaccia: you need to add what I just stated and remove ctl.soft {}
[08:40] <crimsun> metalsand: I'm really not the best person to ask for hostap, sorry.
[08:40] <torpid> well, g'night folks.
[08:40] <crimsun> metalsand: the best I could do is walk you through the procedure, but you're capable of doing that
[08:40] <metalsand> Alright. I'm going to get some rest, then.
[08:41] <metalsand> Which procedure would you walk me through?
[08:41] <sir-gold> there is already a procedure in the wiki
[08:41] <metalsand> If I can see the guide, maybe I can see what I still have yet to do/did incorrectly?
[08:41] <abarbaccia> crimsun, changed it - restartx
[08:41] <sir-gold> metalsand http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DLinkDWL520E1
[08:41] <sir-gold> that is the procedure
[08:42] <metalsand> That looks card specific, is it not?
[08:42] <sir-gold> only the firmware part
[08:42] <sir-gold> the first part is generic
[08:42] <sir-gold> like i said before, those are the instructions i used, and it worked for me
[08:43] <dabaSlon> crimsun: pcm.soft { type softvol  slave.pcm "hw:0,0" } control { name "hw:0,0" } pcm.!default { type plug  slave.pcm "soft" } is that what it looks like now?
[08:43] <sir-gold> and i have never compiled anything before, so they must be complete enough
[08:43] <xukun> ist normal that if I want remove samba-common that it also wants to remove  samba-common* smbclient* ubuntu-desktop*?
[08:43] <xukun> why ubuntu-desktop
[08:44] <xukun> I find that very strange
[08:44] <dabaSlon> I agree.
[08:44] <crimsun> dabaSlon: the control {} section is inside pcm.soft
[08:44] <sir-gold> xukun removing kynaptic does the same thing
[08:44] <xukun> hmm
[08:44] <dabaSlon> crimsun: as in pcm.soft { type softvol  slave.pcm "hw:0,0" control { name "hw:0,0" }} control { name "hw:0,0" } pcm.!default { type plug  slave.pcm "soft" } ?
[08:45] <crimsun> dabaSlon: (without the second control {}, yes)
[08:45] <sir-gold> xukun make ubuntu-desktop needs samba-common
[08:45] <sir-gold> err, maybe
[08:45] <dabaSlon> crimsun: heh
[08:45] <dabaSlon> hopefully he has tht...
[08:45] <dabaSlon> he never left the room, tho...
[08:45] <xukun> sir-gold, this is again very very strange
[08:46] <crimsun> xukun: ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, so that's fine and expected even
[08:46] <dabaSlon> oh, right, you said that once before.
[08:46] <Fac51> needing help with apt-get/synaptic
[08:46] <dabaSlon> whats up?
[08:46] <Fac51> synaptic is throwing errors at me, like the repo doesn't exist....
[08:47] <Fac51> and apt-get won't authnticate or whatever
[08:47] <rj_> I wish there was a fishtank type xscreensaver
[08:47] <rj_> that would rock.
[08:47] <rj_> :/
[08:47] <Cybermagellan> Fac51: can you be more detailed?
[08:47] <OrangeSlice> there, see now, i reinstalled :p  back to grub.
[08:47] <AlfaWolph> best ftp server to use with ubuntu?
[08:47] <Fac51> working on getting the details now
[08:47] <dabaSlon> Fac51: you will need to sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:47] <Fac51> and?
[08:47] <dabaSlon> AlfaWolph: proftpd is what I use.
[08:47] <dabaSlon> abarbaccia: works?
[08:47] <abarbaccia> crimsun, all my sound is distorted now
[08:48] <abarbaccia> crimsun, im just gonna change it back i think and just deal with it
[08:48] <AlfaWolph> anyone else?
[08:48] <xukun> crimsun, ok. how did you know that?, Can you tell me becouse I also know next time something like that happens
[08:48] <AlfaWolph> :)
[08:48] <dabaSlon> abarbaccia: does your file look like ethis? { type softvol  slave.pcm "hw:0,0" control { name "hw:0,0" }}  pcm.!default { type plug  slave.pcm "soft" }
[08:48] <Fac51> dabaSlon: what do i change?
[08:48] <abarbaccia> yes
[08:48] <Cybermagellan> Fac51: Look on the sources.list to see that the repo exist
[08:48] <sir-gold> rj_: there is one called atlantis, but thats sharks and dolphins
[08:48] <dabaSlon> paste what it looks like at http://pastebin.com, please.
[08:48] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:48] <dabaSlon> then give us the URL
[08:48] <rj_> sir-gold: i'am talking something that looks more like a real fish tank :)
[08:48] <Fac51> dabaSlon : they're all in there
[08:49] <abarbaccia> http://pastebin.com/281543
[08:49] <Cybermagellan> Fac51 did you clear your apt-cache and try again?
[08:49] <crimsun> abarbaccia: are you using -Dplug:soft ?
[08:49] <abarbaccia> i dont know?
[08:49] <crimsun> abarbaccia: try using aplay -Dplug:soft foo.wav
[08:49] <crimsun> abarbaccia: and adjusting the volume
[08:49] <abarbaccia> crimsun, its all buzzy and sounding terrible
[08:50] <crimsun> abarbaccia: with that aplay command?
[08:50] <abarbaccia> havnt tried
[08:50] <abarbaccia> hold on
[08:50] <dennis__> where is the PYTHONPATH variable set
[08:50] <Fac51> synaptic-- "Could not download all repository indexes"
[08:50] <crimsun> dennis__: it isn't, normally
[08:50] <dabaSlon> Fac51: paste your sources.list to http://pastebin.com
[08:50] <Fac51> "Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1)"
[08:51] <Fac51> ok
[08:51] <sir-gold> rj_:http://aquariumapplet.sourceforge.net/whatis.html
[08:51] <abarbaccia> crimsun, no output from that
[08:51] <dabaSlon> his loopback not working?
[08:51] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281544
[08:51] <rj_> sir-gold: thank you :(
[08:51] <rj_> er :)
[08:51] <crimsun> abarbaccia: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:52] <abarbaccia> 0 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[08:52] <abarbaccia>                      Intel ICH5 with CMI9761 at 0xfebff800, irq 17
[08:52] <dabaSlon> Fac51: jsut a sec
[08:52] <Fac51> ok
[08:52] <crimsun> abarbaccia: from lspci -v, please tell me the revision of your ICH5
[08:52] <Cybermagellan> dabaSlon looks normal from what I can see
[08:53] <abarbaccia> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:54] <Cybermagellan> Tomarrow I think I will go back to Ubuntu
[08:54] <abarbaccia> 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode] )
[08:54] <abarbaccia> ?
[08:55] <crimsun> abarbaccia: no, grep for audio
[08:55] <crimsun> err, you did. Sorry.
[08:55] <abarbaccia> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[08:55] <dabaSlon> Fac51: change it to http://pastebin.com/281545 and try again
[08:55] <Fac51> ok
[08:56] <crimsun> abarbaccia: ok, we need to try a newer version. Do you have the universe repo enabled?
[08:56] <dabaSlon> 01:54:15) Cybermagellan: dabaSlon looks normal from what I can see .............yeah, I am not unnormal too much...
[08:56] <abarbaccia> crimsun, im actually running breezy so yes
[08:56] <crimsun> oh no
[08:56] <crimsun> not breezy.
[08:56] <crimsun> :(
[08:56] <crimsun> well, I guess in a way that makes things simpler.
[08:56] <abarbaccia> crimsun, why?  i don't believe anything has changed much
[08:57] <Fac51> dabaSlon : same issue
[08:57] <crimsun> abarbaccia: sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:57] <dabaSlon> could nto connect to localhost...
[08:58] <dabaSlon> type in ifconfig in a terminal
[08:58] <abarbaccia> done
[08:58] <dabaSlon> paste to pastebin...
[08:58] <abarbaccia> crimsun, is aptitude what apt-get really is
[08:58] <Fac51> could not download repo indexes
[08:58] <crimsun> abarbaccia: aptitude is a "smarter" apt-get
[08:58] <Fac51> and local host
[08:58] <Fac51> localhost
[08:58] <dabaSlon> ok, type in ifconfig in a terminal, and pastebin
[08:58] <abarbaccia> crimsun, hurm - i'll probably read up on it a bit later
[08:59] <abarbaccia> crimsun, not to cut you off but its 3AM my time and im getting tired-  can we pick this up some other time/
[08:59] <Fac51> ok
[08:59] <crimsun> abarbaccia: sure.
[08:59] <abarbaccia> thanks for all the help bud - are you a dev btw?
[09:00] <abarbaccia> thanks for all the help bud - are you a dev btw? crimsun
[09:00] <dabaSlon> usually you want to add his name:)
[09:00] <Fac51> now what?
[09:00] <abarbaccia> dabaSlon, i know i keep forgettingt
[09:00] <crimsun> abarbaccia: no, I'm a MOTU (universe maintainer)
[09:00] <dabaSlon> Pastebin the output of that ifconfig
[09:01] <abarbaccia> crimsun, nice- well thanks again - see ya soon
[09:01] <dabaSlon> whats it stand for? I cant google, or dict it...
[09:01] <crimsun> (master of the universe)
[09:01] <crimsun> wiki/MOTU
[09:01] <dabaSlon> hehe, awesome...
[09:01] <dabaSlon> Ill find your name now:P
[09:01] <Fac51> dabaSlon : what after ifconfig?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> or narrow down to a couple.
[09:01] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:01] <dabaSlon> not that I care, and in fact, now I wont do it...
[09:02] <dabaSlon> paste the output og that to pastebin...and give me the URL, please.
[09:02] <Fac51> me?
[09:02] <dabaSlon> yuppers
[09:02] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:02] <Fac51> ok
[09:02] <dv8> why am i not able to change the frequency of my laptop cpu from GNOME Freq. Scaling Monitor Applet? In the documentation it says it might not be available by default. How can i fix this ?
[09:03] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281548
[09:03] <dabaSlon> crimsun: do you see He-Man ever? or any of the other MOTUs?
[09:03] <dabaSlon> ok, looks good.
[09:03] <Fac51> ok
[09:04] <crimsun> dabaSlon: we have #ubuntu-motu
[09:04] <crimsun> several MOTUs were at UDU
[09:04] <dabaSlon> crimsun: what ports does synaptic/aptget use?
[09:04] <crimsun> dabaSlon: as in tcp ports? it uses 80
[09:04] <dabaSlon> crimsun: my post is a joke, you ever heard of the cartoon He-man and the masters of the universe?
[09:04] <dabaSlon> thanks
[09:04] <dabaSlon> k, so its not that...
[09:04] <crimsun> dabaSlon: yeah, but we do have a He-Man ;)
[09:05] <dabaSlon> Hah, awesome
[09:05] <Fac51> am i sol?
[09:06] <Cybermagellan> Ok, well I am off to sleep.... I am starting a new promotional site for Ubuntu. Please feel free to check it out at http://cybermagellan.com/OS
[09:06] <dabaSlon> crimsun: what about his apt-get not working? he gets errors, his sources are fine, and his loopbakc works, it seems...Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1)"....could not download repo indexes
[09:06] <metasquier> Hey everyone!!
[09:06] <Cybermagellan> Create an account. Post some info...or send me an email and let me know how to improve it
[09:06] <dabaSlon> just a sec, fac52
[09:06] <dabaSlon> 51, sdamn
[09:06] <crimsun> localhost:4001? is he running a proxy?
[09:06] <Fac51> oh wait
[09:06] <Fac51> should i kill squid? lol
[09:07] <crimsun> stop squid momentarily
[09:07] <Fac51> ok
[09:07] <rixth> Any idea's why OO.org has started segfaulting? The splash screen comes up, the bar goes 3/4 along then it ends with this.
[09:07] <rixth> sh: crash_report: command not found
[09:07] <rixth> Segmentation fault
[09:07] <crimsun> (you probably want to investigate apt-proxy for that)
[09:07] <crimsun> rixth: Hoary?
[09:08] <rixth> Indeed, it only JUST started doing it though.
[09:08] <crimsun> rixth: please check bugzilla
[09:08] <metasquier> can someone tell me how to switch wich is my default sound card used?
[09:08] <Fac51> squid is down
[09:08] <crimsun> metasquier: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:08] <dabaSlon> ok, try now.
[09:08] <shmoolik> hello i want to install gnonme dt  is there any apt-get package that can do that ?
[09:08] <metasquier> crimsun, ok thanks
[09:08] <rixth> Link? This is kinda a time critical thing. Out of the blue, it just died.
[09:08] <shmoolik> like kubuntu for kde
[09:08] <metasquier> 0 [SI7012         ] : ICH - SiS SI7012
[09:08] <metasquier>                      SiS SI7012 at 0xe000, irq 185
[09:09] <metasquier> crimsun, do I change this file?
[09:09] <crimsun> metasquier: that's all?
[09:09] <metasquier> crimsun, yeah thats all it says
[09:09] <crimsun> metasquier: what two devices do you have?
[09:09] <cikilin> hello
[09:10] <metasquier> crimsun, Sound Blaster Live Pro, and a SiS C-Media onboard sound card
[09:10] <dabaSlon> rixth: perhaps: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/query.cgi .
[09:10] <metasquier> crimsun currently its the C-Media one thats going
[09:10] <Fac51> "could not download all repository indexes"
[09:10] <cikilin> my xine refuse to close
[09:10] <rixth> Thanks
[09:10] <dabaSlon> not really, it seems.
[09:10] <crimsun> metasquier: hmm, so where's your emu10k1? lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[09:10] <crimsun> err, live "pro"? what the heck
[09:11] <crimsun> I really hope it's not one of those newfangled 7.1 24-bit thingies
[09:11] <metasquier> yeah it is
[09:11] <dabaSlon> rixth: http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#oooissues maybe
[09:11] <crimsun> oh my.
[09:11] <metasquier> why?
[09:11] <crimsun> well, the reason it won't work is because the driver isn't compiled by default.
[09:11] <crimsun> so you need to do three things:
[09:11] <cikilin> anybody knows howto close a program?
[09:11] <metasquier> oh ok gutted
[09:12] <crimsun> 1) echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:12] <metasquier> cikilin, 'kill' is the process end command
[09:12] <cikilin> another?
[09:12] <dabaSlon> crimsun: his apt still not working, is (you probably want to investigate apt-proxy for that) what he needs to do?
[09:12] <crimsun> 2) enable the universe repo, then sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[09:12] <shido6> I lose my mouse when I burn CD's , Watch DVD's or even run Vmware
[09:12] <Fac51> dabaSlon : also, apt-get gives me... "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[09:13] <shido6> hwo do I fix this?
[09:13] <rixth> What the hell. OO.orgs bugtracker is hideous. I can't find anything on Google with "sh: crash_report command not found"
[09:13] <crimsun> Fac51: did you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.com ?
[09:13] <Fac51> yeah
[09:13] <Fac51> then i changed it to what dabaSlon told me to
[09:13] <shad0w1e> how do i mount /dev ??
[09:13] <shido6> I have to reboot everytimet to get my mouse back
[09:14] <shido6> what do i do to get use of my mouse back after I burn a dvd?
[09:14] <shido6> or watch a dvd
[09:14] <dabaSlon> crimsun: current sources.list http://pastebin.com/281545 .
[09:14] <metasquier> crimsun, whats that echo...... supposed to do?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> does he have to go through apt hoary authentication, do you think?
[09:15] <rixth> Eugh. Nuts to this. You guys are as bad if not worse than #debian for not helping.
[09:15] <dabaSlon> just output what is in the bracjets, metasquier
[09:15] <crimsun> metasquier: it tells ALSA not to use the onboard as primary
[09:15] <dabaSlon> then, the | pipes it into next command
[09:15] <crimsun> dabaSlon: it 545 looks fine, did he update afterward?
[09:15] <shad0w1e> Any help? How do I install GRUB? I installed a new hard drive, copied over all the information onto the new drive, and now I'd like to install GRUB
[09:16] <dabaSlon> oh, that is what I forgot:(
[09:16] <metasquier> well when I put that in, it had a prompt ">"
[09:16] <dabaSlon> Fac51: sudo apt-get update
[09:16] <Fac51> ok
[09:16] <crimsun> shad0w1e: use grub-install
[09:16] <shad0w1e> crimsun: it wont work
[09:16] <crimsun> shad0w1e: xfs root?
[09:17] <crimsun> XFS, rather
[09:17] <shad0w1e> root@UNREAL:/dev # grub-install /dev/hdb
[09:17] <shad0w1e> /dev/hdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[09:17] <dabaSlon> metasquier: you did not do it right, then, it worked here...
[09:17] <crimsun> shad0w1e: is it really /dev/hdb?
[09:17] <shad0w1e> mind that Im currently in the OS that is on /dev/hda
[09:17] <Fac51> does it have to be sudo? or could i su-?
[09:17] <Fac51> su -
[09:17] <dabaSlon> the > prompt means you need something to end the command.
[09:18] <shad0w1e> yes, I copied my OS onto /dev/hdb
[09:18] <dabaSlon> as long as you are root...
[09:18] <shad0w1e> hdb1
[09:18] <crimsun> metasquier: make sure you didn't forget the trailing quote
[09:18] <dabaSlon> apt-get update
[09:18] <Fac51> ok, still could not download all repo indexes
[09:18] <dabaSlon> ok, does apt-get update return an error?
[09:18] <metasquier> crimsun, alright, is it a bad idea to get the package first?
[09:18] <dabaSlon> is that the error?
[09:18] <Fac51> not the last time
[09:18] <shad0w1e> can this possibly be happening because Im using a new hard drive (large) on an old computer?
[09:18] <crimsun> metasquier: nope
[09:18] <dabaSlon> ok, then, what are you installing?
[09:19] <shad0w1e> I did notice that bios picked up the drive funny..
[09:19] <metasquier> crimsun, ok
[09:19] <crimsun> shad0w1e: if you were able to copy the contents, you should have no problems using grub-install
[09:19] <Fac51> nothing, trying to start synaptic
[09:19] <dabaSlon> ok, cool
[09:19] <crimsun> shad0w1e: any clues from dmesg?
[09:19] <Fac51> it hates me, i swear
[09:19] <dabaSlon> it is indifferent:)
[09:19] <Fac51> heh
[09:19] <dabaSlon> so, again same error?
[09:19] <dabaSlon> and no errors after apt-get update?
[09:19] <Fac51> yeah
[09:19] <shad0w1e> Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: hdb1
[09:19] <shad0w1e> XFS mounting filesystem hdb1
[09:19] <shad0w1e> Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: hdb1
[09:19] <shad0w1e> hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[09:19] <shad0w1e> hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=73510258, sector=73510111
[09:19] <shad0w1e> ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[09:19] <shad0w1e> end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 73510111
[09:19] <Fac51> could not dl all repo indexes
[09:19] <metasquier> crimsun, ok I think It worked...not sure
[09:20] <cikilin> how i kill in terminal xine?
[09:20] <cikilin> kill xine?
[09:20] <dabaSlon> killall xine
[09:20] <cikilin> and hit
[09:20] <dabaSlon> enter, right
[09:20] <shad0w1e> cikilin: ps ax|grep xine
[09:20] <shad0w1e> find out the process number
[09:20] <crimsun> metasquier: which worked?
[09:20] <shad0w1e> then it's kill -9 procnumber
[09:20] <nos> I'm having a little problem trying to manually mount a ntfs partition on /dev/hda1 with read/write access.  I can get as far as mounting it with read only access. but I am unsure of how to mount it with write access, anyone able to help?
[09:20] <dabaSlon> Fac51: is there something in particular you are downloading?
[09:20] <Fac51> no
[09:20] <metasquier> crimsun, the echo thing, I think it worked cos it didnt complain
[09:20] <dabaSlon> ok, try apt-cache search lib
[09:21] <dabaSlon> heh
[09:21] <crimsun> metasquier: it should just spit out the options... part
[09:21] <Fac51> synaptic simply won't dl the new repo indexes, and if i try to use it anyway, it won't connect to the repo
[09:21] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-cache search lib
[09:21] <metasquier> options snd-intel8x0 index=-2
[09:21] <Fac51> ok, i apt-get search lib
[09:21] <metasquier> crimsun, thats what it spat out
[09:21] <dabaSlon> that is good.
[09:21] <dabaSlon> does it return results?
[09:21] <Fac51> yes
[09:21] <shad0w1e> any idea what a dmesg error of : "hdb: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=73510258, sector=73510111 " is?
[09:22] <dabaSlon> ok, that is working, now synaptic is wrong for some reason.
[09:22] <dabaSlon> just a sec
[09:22] <cikilin>  $ ps ax|grep xine
[09:22] <cikilin>  9048 ?        Sl     3:43 xine /home/cikilin/complet/filme/nine weeks/Nine  Weeks.avi
[09:22] <cikilin>  9411 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep xine
[09:22] <jdims> does ubuntu have a network configuration wizard like knoppix's netcardconfig or slackware's netconfig ?
[09:22] <shad0w1e> so then you do kill -9 9048
[09:22] <mlambie> is there a way to save the currently viewed html file when using lynx?
[09:22] <metasquier> crimsun, is it building my driver for me when its done downloading it or, are there more steps to this?
[09:22] <cikilin> a
[09:22] <cikilin> i have to put -9
[09:22] <cikilin> k
[09:23] <dabaSlon> mlambie: oooh, off topic...maybe someone knows...
[09:23] <crimsun> metasquier: there are further steps
[09:23] <crimsun> metasquier: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[09:23] <metasquier> crimsun, alright, Ill get back to you when its done downloading..
[09:23] <mlambie> dabaSlon: I'm using Hoary...
[09:23] <mlambie> dabaSlon: not entirely off topic :)
[09:23] <crimsun> metasquier: choose "no" for PnP, "yes" for debug, and the "ca0106" driver
[09:23] <dabaSlon> mlambie: great, me too:)
[09:23] <dabaSlon> just kinda, I guess, that is why I said maybe someone knows.
[09:24] <metasquier> crimsun, ok when I get there
[09:24] <nos> anyone able to help with a drive mounting problem?
[09:24] <crimsun> nos: what sort?
[09:25] <mlambie> dabaSlon: I think 'p' is what i'm looking for ;)
[09:25] <MetallicB> ..
[09:25] <nos> crimsun, manually mounting a ntfs partition on /dev/hda1 for read/write access
[09:26] <metasquier> nos, there is currently no support for write access to ntfs that is safe
[09:26] <metasquier> nos, you will have to copy it to a ext3 file system and then modify it
[09:26] <dabaSlon> mlambie: glasd you found it.
[09:26] <cikilin> is any player better than xine....witch can show a subtitle with fonts i mean time new roman
[09:26] <nos> metasquier, can windows read ext3?
[09:27] <xukun> how do I get rid of the message when upgrading" WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[09:27] <Burgundavia> nos, there is something, may only work with ext2 though
[09:27] <metasquier> nos, yes with certain drivers
[09:27] <dabaSlon> crimsun: his apt-get update exits normally(no errors) and his si\ynaptic still gives same error, and apt-cache search returns results.
[09:27] <metasquier> nos, I believe its called ext2fs or somthing
[09:27] <Burgundavia> xukun, have you added non-ubuntu repos?
[09:27] <Fish-Face> nos, there are programs that work with it
[09:27] <Fish-Face> nos, ext2fs will do it
[09:27] <metasquier> nos, yup
[09:27] <xukun> Burgundavia, yah
[09:27] <Fish-Face> I think it does ext3
[09:27] <MetallicB> reizerfs
[09:27] <Fac51> dabaSlon : could this help any? http://pastebin.com/281549
[09:27] <Burgundavia> xukun, which ones?
[09:27] <Fish-Face> But not with journalling
[09:27] <metasquier> nos, it works very nicely with ext2 and ext3 from experiance
[09:28] <nos> my ubuntu is on ext3
[09:28] <metasquier> nos, yeah thats normal
[09:28] <xukun> Burgundavia, backports
[09:28] <crimsun> Fac51: did you stop squid?
[09:28] <Fac51> yeah
[09:28] <xukun> which are not I think pgp sign
[09:28] <nos> can i get this from synaptic?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> xukun, hmm, no way
[09:28] <dabaSlon> Fac51: is that from your synaptic?
[09:28] <Fac51> yeah
[09:28] <dabaSlon> killall squid in a term, I geuss.
[09:28] <metasquier> nos, I usually have a sort of a small ext3 partition that I use for swapping files between windows 2k and linux
[09:28] <xukun> Burgundavia, no way what?
[09:29] <user1> hi all
[09:29] <user1> whts up
[09:29] <metasquier> nos, using the ext2fs drivers
[09:29] <crimsun> Fac51: what about under System>Preferences>Network Proxy?
[09:29] <Fac51> no processes killed
[09:29] <Burgundavia> xukun, unless they sign the repos, you cannot get rid of it
[09:29] <Fac51> it's setup for direct connection
[09:29] <metasquier> nos, the other option is using fat
[09:29] <xukun> I see
[09:29] <Burgundavia> xukun, it is a good thing
[09:29] <metasquier> nos, that is fully supported by linux
[09:29] <dabaSlon> the repos are still trying to connect to port 4001, though, and your router probably has a thing to say aabout that...
[09:29] <Fac51> hmm
[09:30] <xukun> Burgundavia, good thing what?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> xukun, the security warning
[09:30] <nos> basicly what i'm trying to do is backup my linux to a ntfs partition, which is already there, i don't really feel like reformatting and creating another ext3 partition
[09:30] <dabaSlon> crimsun: this is the error, in case you missed it: http://pastebin.com/281549
[09:30] <xukun> ah that
[09:31] <metasquier> nos, ok, hmm that doesnt sound logical to me seeing as ext3 is far more stable than ntfs in the long run
[09:31] <xukun> Burgundavia, can I ask something else
[09:31] <xukun> ?
[09:31] <dabaSlon> nope, another quarter, dude
[09:31] <metasquier> nos, but yeah then ext2fs would be your best bet for that
[09:32] <Fac51> i am at a loss
[09:32] <Burgundavia> xukun, shoot
[09:32] <dabaSlon> just a sec
[09:32] <nos> metasquier, the ntfs partition is not doing anything currently, they are both on 1 hdd, is there a safe way to rid the ntfs partition?
[09:32] <crimsun> Fac51: apparently synaptic has been configured to use a proxy?
[09:32] <crimsun> brb
[09:32] <dabaSlon> k
[09:32] <metasquier> nos, yeah reformat it into an ext3 partition
[09:32] <Fac51> i'm looking at it's net conf now, it says direct connection to interenet
[09:32] <metasquier> nos, there are tonnes of examples on how to do this on the web
[09:33] <dabaSlon> cool, I will take a look too.
[09:33] <nos> metasquier, alright, i was trying to avoid that, but i'll check out ext2fs, thanks for the help :)
[09:33] <xukun> when you have more than one programm running like firefox, thunderbird and .... how do you switch between them>
[09:33] <metasquier> nos, ok :)
[09:34] <xukun> without using alt-tab
[09:34] <dabaSlon> Fac51: settings>preferences>network tab?
[09:34] <Fac51> yeah
[09:34] <user1> if I am connect as ssh -X I Can get into gnome manager
[09:35] <dabaSlon> I had some issue where synaptic would not take what I said in that preferences thing...
[09:35] <xukun> I need to see then running programs onder my desktop so I can klick with the mice
[09:35] <Fac51> hmm
[09:35] <Fac51> where is it's config file located?
[09:35] <Fac51> synaptics that is
[09:35] <dabaSlon> not even sure
[09:35] <Fac51> hmm
[09:36] <Burgundavia> xukun, you can put them in different virtual desktops
[09:36] <dabaSlon> give me a sec.
[09:36] <Fac51> ok
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Fac51, the sources.list?
[09:36] <user1> I can compress ssh -X ?
[09:36] <Jellus> hi
[09:36] <Fac51> no, for synaptics configuration
[09:36] <xukun> Burgundavia, that is not what I mean
[09:36] <Fac51> like network settings
[09:36] <metasquier> xukun, dont you have like a "windows task bar equivilent'?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> xukun, sorry, don't follow
[09:36] <dabaSlon>  /root/.synaptic/synaptic.conf
[09:37] <Jellus> does anybody know how to setup a working libieee1284 kind of scanning environment ?
[09:37] <dabaSlon> user1: what do you mean?
[09:37] <xukun> Burgundavia, do you now have more than one programm running?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> xukun, yep
[09:37] <jdims> does anyone know if ubuntu has a network configuration wizard?
[09:37] <Jellus> i already got my scanner recognised ........ by putting ppdev in /etc/modules ...
[09:37] <asynic> jdims: network-admin
[09:37] <xukun> Burgundavia, how do switch between them?
[09:38] <Jellus> so i can use scanning as a root user
[09:38] <Burgundavia> xukun, I have one app in each virtual desktop
[09:38] <Jellus> but i don't want to scan as root all the time ..
[09:38] <dabaSlon> the workspaces?
[09:38] <Jellus> so i would like to do libieee1284
[09:38] <Jellus> instead of saned method
[09:39] <Burgundavia> different word, same thing
[09:39] <metasquier> Burgundavia, You should read up on how to use gnome, that will help you get a better feel for your environment
[09:39] <Burgundavia> metasquier, say again?
[09:39] <Fac51> think it might work if i completely remove synaptic and then reinstall??
[09:39] <dabaSlon> sure, just wondering.
[09:39] <dabaSlon> if that is what you meant...
[09:39] <metasquier> Burgundavia, sorry I meant to say that to xukun
[09:40] <Jellus> can anybody help me
[09:40] <Burgundavia> metasquier, ok, just wondering
[09:40] <Jellus> ??
[09:40] <metasquier> Jellus, whats up?
[09:40] <dabaSlon> xukun, do you have a windows like taskbar with all the open windows listed on the bottom of your screen?
[09:40] <Jellus> hi metasquier ..
[09:40] <metasquier> Jellus, hi
[09:40] <Jellus> well ... i am trying to get scanning working ..
[09:41] <dabaSlon> oes anybody know how to setup a working libieee1284 kind of scanning environment ? already got my scanner recognised ........ by putting ppdev in /etc/modules ...so i can use scanning as a root user ,but i don't want to scan as root all the time .. so i would like to do libieee1284, instead of saned method
[09:41] <Jellus> but i dont know how to setup libieee1284
[09:41] <metasquier> Jellus, hmm lol I dont really have any experiance in that field
[09:41] <Jellus> method
[09:41] <Jellus> ok ... lol
[09:41] <Jellus> hi dabaSion
[09:41] <dabaSlon> hey
[09:41] <Jellus> do you know ..
[09:41] <Jellus> ??
[09:41] <dabaSlon> not sure, I dont scan much.
[09:41] <metasquier> Jellus, I hate that kinda think in linux, especially things like camera connection and that kinda thing
[09:41] <dabaSlon> youre new, that is why, right?
[09:41] <Jellus> well you can scan
[09:41] <cikilin> witch is the command to browse another pc?
[09:42] <Jellus> with linux
[09:42] <dabaSlon> do you now have to scan as root?
[09:42] <Jellus> i have done that a lot allready
[09:42] <cikilin> yeap
[09:42] <Jellus> yes
[09:42] <dabaSlon> do yuo use gnome?
[09:42] <dabaSlon> cikilin: what do you mean?
[09:42] <Jellus> its because i use parallel port scanner
[09:42] <dabaSlon> how are you connected?
[09:42] <Jellus> i believe if you use usb you don't have to
[09:42] <cikilin> i ahve at home my pc
[09:42] <Jellus> scan as root
[09:43] <Jellus> but having a parallel port scanner
[09:43] <dabaSlon> I have a Apps>Graphics>Xsane something something.
[09:43] <cikilin> and i wnat to browse it some times
[09:43] <Jellus> is a bit more of a pain
[09:43] <Jellus> getting it to work
[09:43] <dabaSlon> Ok, well, et up a ftp server on it.
[09:43] <dabaSlon> cikilin: ^^
[09:43] <Jellus> i use gnome
[09:43] <Jellus> yes
[09:43] <cikilin> yeap
[09:43] <dabaSlon> cikilin, then carry your IP address wuith you(unless you have a static one)
[09:43] <Jellus> xsane
[09:43] <dabaSlon> then, at work, get an FTP client, install it.
[09:44] <Fac51> i'm getting this too.... http://pastebin.com/281554
[09:44] <cikilin> k
[09:44] <Jellus> you can use xsane for scanning ..
[09:44] <dabaSlon> and connect to your home computer, and use that ftp client to browse your home computer.
[09:44] <Jellus> but only as root
[09:44] <dabaSlon> .smart solutions for smart ppl...
[09:44] <cikilin> from synaptic the ftp server?
[09:44] <Jellus> in my case
[09:44] <dabaSlon> haha, not really.
[09:44] <dabaSlon> yup proftpd I have.
[09:44] <dabaSlon> so...
[09:44] <Jellus> because as a normal user my scanner doesnt get recognised .. hence the probby
[09:44] <metasquier> crimsun, hey, Ive downloaded that package, and run the reconfigure, but the ca0106 driver is not available in that list
[09:44] <dabaSlon> how do you mount that device anyhow?
[09:45] <dabaSlon> hm...you can log in as root...but that is not a cool slolutoin,...
[09:45] <crimsun> metasquier: downloaded _and_ installed?
[09:45] <crimsun> metasquier: also, I'm presuming you're using Hoary, not Warty
[09:45] <metasquier> I believe so
[09:45] <crimsun> metasquier: or are you using Breezy?
[09:46] <metasquier> crimsun, oh yeah gutted Im using warty
[09:46] <dabaSlon> hehe, gutted.
[09:46] <crimsun> metasquier: ack, Warty doesn't support that at all
[09:46] <crimsun> metasquier: go with Hoary
[09:46] <metasquier> crimsun, heh, guess I should really upgrade
[09:46] <crimsun> just change your sources.list and dist-upgrade
[09:46] <metasquier> crimsun, what is the easiest way to get the latest version.  IM on dialup so how on earth am I supposed to download it
[09:46] <metasquier> lol
[09:47] <crimsun> the easiest way would be to run over to a friend's house and download the iso on broadband
[09:47] <crimsun> barring that, use Ship It
[09:47] <metasquier> crimsun, yeah, thought so, Ive ordered the free CD (10 of them for that matter) but they stil have not arived yet
[09:48] <Fac51> dabaSlon : could my problem be related to my authentication settings??
[09:48] <dabaSlon> where, in synaptic?
[09:48] <Fac51> yeah
[09:48] <Fac51> or apt-get
[09:48] <dabaSlon> just a sec.
[09:48] <Fac51> ok
[09:48] <Fac51> i feel so lame, lol
[09:48] <metasquier> crimsun, oh well thanks alot of the help anyway :) Ill  have to make do with my C-Media sound card for now
[09:49] <dabaSlon> crimsun: this is the new message: http://pastebin.com/281554 , therre is mention of gpg, should he http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary ?
[09:50] <dolny|zZz> are there any
[09:50] <dolny|zZz> sdl packages
[09:50] <dolny|zZz> for (k)ubuntu?
[09:51] <dabaSlon> you are sleeping, dude...
[09:52] <crimsun> dolny|zZz: yes, libsdl1.2debian
[09:53] <crimsun> dabaSlon: looks like a proxy configuration error, really
[09:53] <nelson_> hi all
[09:53] <nelson_> somebody use conexant hcf modem?
[09:53] <dolny|zZz> crimsun thanks and what about
[09:53] <dolny|zZz> sdl mixer
[09:54] <slashme> Hi!  I am writing a note to HiFi corporation, suggesting that they consider pre-loading Ubuntu instead of RedHat on their linux desktop machines.  Where can I get a specific list of the advantages of Ubuntu, in case I miss anything?  I have already checked http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/.
[09:54] <Burgundavia> slashme, debian, 6 month releases, 18 month minimum support
[09:55] <dabaSlon> crimsun: his gui options show right, direct connection to the internet setting turned on...
[09:55] <crimsun> dolny|zZz: libsdl-mixer1.2
[09:55] <crimsun> dolny|zZz: please use apt-cache search
[09:55] <dolny|zZz> thanks
[09:55] <dolny|zZz> ok
[09:56] <dabaSlon> Fac51: dont feel lame. why?
[09:56] <crimsun> Fac51: this is a stretch, but perhaps just use aptitude (or apt-get) for the time being
[09:56] <Fac51> cause i can't figure out how to make synaptic work again...  heh
[09:56] <Jellus> i am using hoary also ..
[09:57] <Jellus> when is breezy available ...... i.e. beta's or alpha's ???????
[09:57] <Burgundavia> Jellus, it is open now
[09:57] <binary> how do you stop ubuntu from changing the time in the bios?
[09:57] <dabaSlon> yeah, use apt-get, do you know how?
[09:57] <crimsun> Jellus: it's available now, but be cautious
[09:57] <Burgundavia> I am currently running it, but it is not recommended
[09:57] <Jellus> what do you mean
[09:57] <Jellus> ?
[09:58] <dabaSlon> just sudo apt-get install package
[09:58] <Burgundavia> to run breezy, switch any reference of hoary to breezy
[09:58] <Burgundavia> but I wouldn't do it no
[09:58] <Jellus> ok what sort of problems do you see Burgundavia
[09:58] <Jellus> with Breezy so far ..
[09:58] <Burgundavia> Jellus, hotplug is borked
[09:58] <Jellus> what else ..
[09:58] <Burgundavia> but who knows what else they may break
[09:58] <Jellus> what do you gain
[09:58] <Jellus> using Breezy
[09:58] <Burgundavia> not much
[09:59] <Burgundavia> some updated packages
[09:59] <Burgundavia> new mono
[09:59] <Jellus> ok
[09:59] <slashme> Burgundavia: Got that.  What can I tell them about ease of use and support?
[09:59] <Fac51> it refuses to get the gpg files
[09:59] <Fackamato> Anyone successfully using 2.6.11 on ubuntu?
[09:59] <Fac51> like the urls in the sources.list are invalid
[09:59] <Fackamato> from kernel.org or the repositories?
[10:00] <dabaSlon> Fac51: this is something to do with the gpgs... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[10:00] <dabaSlon> I am off to sleep...
[10:00] <dabaSlon> Good night all, use apt-get for now...
[10:00] <crimsun> Fac51: don't use 2.6.11 from universe unless you boot with "noinotify"
[10:01] <dabaSlon> good night all.
[10:01] <crimsun> Fac51: sorry
[10:01] <Fac51> i tried that
[10:01] <Fac51> it didn't work
[10:01] <Fackamato> crimsun: you meant me?
[10:01] <dabaSlon_sleep> well, I did not fall asleep taht fast, you know that...
[10:01] <crimsun> Fackamato: don't use 2.6.11 from universe unless you boot with "noinotify"
[10:01] <Fackamato> hm
[10:01] <Fackamato> what does inotify do
[10:01] <Fac51> what am i supposed to put after "sudo apt-key add -"? if anything?
[10:01] <Fackamato> and why do I have to boot with that option
[10:02] <Fackamato> is it filesystem specific?
[10:02] <crimsun> Fackamato: you have to boot with it unless you want your system to freeze.
[10:02] <dabaSlon_sleep> hahah
[10:02] <Fackamato> Yeah I noticed, tried to boot ubuntu's 2.6.11, got lots of HDD errors and freeze
[10:02] <crimsun> it's recommended that you use the 2.6.10 ones from Ubuntu
[10:03] <Jellus> bye for now
[10:03] <Fackamato> yeah
[10:04] <Fackamato> crimsun: Are you a developer? :>
[10:04] <crimsun> Fackamato: a MOTU (universe maintainer)
[10:05] <Fackamato> Ah :-)
[10:06] <Fackamato> crimsun: hm, universe maintainer
[10:06] <crimsun> Fackamato: wiki/MOTU
[10:06] <Fackamato> does this mean that I could suggest things that should be added to the repositories
[10:06] <crimsun> Fackamato: certainly. There's a page for that.
[10:06] <m00se> hello
[10:06] <m00se> i have a problem removeing zope and plone in hoary
[10:07] <m00se> i get following error for several zope packages: dzhandle prerm-product: denied removal of product `CMFCalendar' from instance `plone-site' (2.7) in addon-mode `manual'
[10:07] <m00se> and removal fails
[10:07] <m00se> anyone knows what's going on?
[10:07] <crimsun> see if there's a note on malone for it
[10:07] <crimsun> need to grab some shuteye, have to be back at work soon
[10:08] <Fackamato> BTW, I have a questoin about Ubuntu, whenever I have _heavy_ disk/HDD load such as when apt-get install:ing things or something, beep media player's music stutters, chops sometimes. This is because of low RAM right? And no tweak that I can do to get rid if it. (256MB RAM, gnome, FF, gaim, xchat, one gnome terminal)
[10:08] <asynic> Fackamato: it might actually be because you don't have dma enabled
[10:08] <Fackamato> heghe
[10:08] <Fackamato> it's enabled
[10:08] <Fackamato> for all devices ;>
[10:08] <crimsun> check if your HD(s) support multisector transfers
[10:08] <Fackamato> hdparm shows >20MB/s for all hdd's
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Fackamato, how much ram do you have?
[10:08] <Fackamato> 256
[10:09] <m00se> preemptive kernel might help
[10:09] <crimsun> (preempt is enabled in Ubuntu kernels)
[10:09] <Fackamato> and my swap is not on the same hdd as the one / is
[10:10] <m00se> crimsun: hm, i didn't know
[10:12] <Fac51> can i get a link to the latest sources.list again?
[10:12] <zachary> not much active this early
[10:12] <zachary> i have one
[10:12] <m00se> malone sucks :(
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Fac51, to what hoary?
[10:13] <Fac51> yes
[10:13] <Fac51> hoary, sorry
[10:13] <Burgundavia> hoary hasn't change repos since the day it opened
[10:13] <Fac51> hmm
[10:13] <jsgotangco> its frozen
[10:14] <zachary> for six months jsgotang?
[10:14] <jsgotangco> the whole thing is frozen already what you get are security updates
[10:14] <Fackamato> hm
[10:15] <Fackamato> how do I check if my harddrive supports multicount
[10:15] <zachary> anyone have a nice bittorrent client they use ?
[10:15] <Fackamato> hdparm -I
[10:16] <Fackamato> zachary: azureus
[10:16] <Fackamato> resource hog, but nice
[10:16] <zachary> azureus uses java right?
[10:16] <Fackamato> yeah
[10:17] <zachary> okay thats what i was thinking i was going to use
[10:17] <jiyuu0> zachary, azureus is pretty heavy
[10:17] <Fac51> i think i fixed it, just have to re-add multiverse
[10:17] <jiyuu0> eat quite some ram
[10:17] <zachary> heavy in a good connotation?
[10:17] <zachary> i don't have alot of ram
[10:17] <Fac51> nope, not fixed
[10:17] <Fac51> heh
[10:17] <zachary> so azureus is gonna have to be at the bottom of the list
[10:17] <jiyuu0> i have 256... and after runnin it... whole machine slows down
[10:18] <zachary> thats what i was experiencing when i ran it and alot of others in xp
[10:18] <zachary> i have one for xp called abc its open source and it was nice and didn't eat up much memory
[10:18] <zachary> i would like something like that
[10:18] <zachary> so i guess i answered my own questoin
[10:19] <jiyuu0> hehe
[10:19] <josip> is anyone else expiriencing problems with  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ? I'm downloading with *sigh* less than 1kb/s
[10:19] <mark345> hello, im having a problem playing 2 newer dvds from blockbuster
[10:19] <mark345> birth and the phantom of the opera
[10:19] <jiyuu0> josip, yes i'm havin same prob
[10:19] <jiyuu0> been really slow
[10:19] <mark345> im using an external dvd sony drx-710ul
[10:19] <josip> so, it is not me, thanks god :-(
[10:19] <jiyuu0> took me many attempts before able to finish all it's download
[10:20] <zachary> mark have you had sucess with other dvd's on the same drive?
[10:20] <mark345> yes
[10:20] <mark345> it was until these new releases
[10:20] <mark345> i just put in total recall, it shows up on the desktop and starts playing fine
[10:20] <mark345> but these discs, its like they dont exist
[10:21] <zachary> did you try them on any other dvd player?
[10:21] <zachary> i haven't messed around with dvd on hoarty yet so this is just common sense question
[10:21] <zachary> s
[10:21] <holycow> what is the command to show all the users and groups on the system?
[10:21] <zachary> you might get better results from some leet
[10:21] <mark345> i tried xine, i tried gxine, vlc, totem-xine, totem-gstreamer
[10:21] <zachary> holycow netstat?
[10:22] <mark345> but its odd why gnome cant mount these discs
[10:22] <holycow> zachary, not actualy users
[10:22] <holycow> mark345, totem-xine needs w32 codecs package
[10:22] <mark345> i have it installed
[10:22] <holycow> mark345, totem-gstreamer doesn't use the w32 codec package it uses gstreamer packages
[10:22] <holycow> that would explain why you cant watch a dvd
[10:23] <holycow> you need totem-gstreamer, w32 codecs and also libdvdcss
[10:23] <mark345> i have all of that
[10:23] <holycow> oh you have it installed?
[10:23] <fsapo> hi all, i m with a problem with a dvdr + combo, they are in the same ide cable, and my dvds recorded in the dvdrw drive works in the recorder, but when i try to read it in the combo it give me errors :(
[10:23] <holycow> then the dvd is hosed
[10:23] <zachary> has anyone read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowCome
[10:23] <mark345> i can watch some dvds, just not these 2 for some reason
[10:23] <zachary> i find it humorous
[10:23] <holycow> yeah that happens
[10:23] <mark345> and they wont even mount in gnome, they dont pop on the desktop
[10:23] <holycow> something about the encoding
[10:23] <holycow> well its not humorous
[10:23] <holycow> your using illegal codecs
[10:23] <jsgotangco> it happens libdvdcss isn't perfect
[10:23] <mark345> it works on my windows machine
[10:23] <holycow> and illegal decryption
[10:24] <holycow> whih was reverse engineered
[10:24] <jsgotangco> its a different story
[10:24] <jsgotangco> right
[10:24] <mark345> so a libdvdcss problem?
[10:24] <holycow> no
[10:24] <jsgotangco> no
[10:24] <holycow> its a reverse engineering problem
[10:24] <zachary> okay quick question
[10:24] <holycow> you can never reverse engineer somethign perfectly
[10:24] <jsgotangco> right
[10:24] <zachary> is reverse engineering a tabbo?
[10:24] <nnonix> TABBO!!!!
[10:24] <jsgotangco> depends
[10:24] <mark345> the newer dvds have a new encryption?
[10:24] <holycow> according to the consortium thath olds the patents on dvds and such, yes
[10:24] <nomasteryoda> no
[10:25] <jsgotangco> that's why we shouldn't agree to software patents
[10:25] <holycow> mark345, the entertainment industry REQUIRES, that a: you pay for a player and b: you pay for the media
[10:25] <mark345> we should fuck dvds
[10:25] <mark345> just download movies
[10:25] <transgress> what?  fuck dvds?
[10:25] <jeld> hello all
[10:25] <transgress> i think you could've said that better
[10:25] <nnonix> ouch!
[10:25] <jsgotangco> that would be painful
[10:25] <nomasteryoda> holycow, but what about my DUmpsterDive dvds???
[10:25] <zachary> i will disagree on fucking dvds
[10:25] <holycow> you need a licenced dvd player/software, which usually is made by a company that buy a licence from the various consortiums
[10:25] <transgress> because those of us who are high atm, found that a bit too funny.
[10:25] <mark345> then you wouldn't be limited quality-wise
[10:26] <transgress> nomasteryoda: dumpsterdive dvds?  tell me more!
[10:26] <jeld> anybody familiar with deb building here? Need a bit of help
[10:26] <mark345> well, i have a 4Mbps download, its not all that bad
[10:26] <transgress> jeld: checkinstall puts them together pretty well
[10:26] <mark345> use autopackager, its like in its alpha stages
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> transgress, where there's a blockbuster and an open dmpser
[10:26] <zachary> anyone watch the simpsons?
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> they dmp them
[10:26] <fsapo> anyone could help me with a dvd-r problem?
[10:26] <transgress> nomasteryoda: could thinking nomasteryoda
[10:26] <jeld> transgress, checkinstall?
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> dvds "wear out"
[10:26] <Fackamato> how do I make my home dir _not_ system-wide-readable?
[10:26] <zachary> this is on subject i promis
[10:26] <transgress> jeld: apt-get install checkinstall
[10:26] <zachary> promise
[10:26] <transgress> nomasteryoda: everything man made wears out
[10:26] <nomasteryoda> you polish them sometimes they work
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> ya
[10:27] <transgress> ah
[10:27] <transgress> i getcha
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> i have about 30
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> all FREE
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> and watching on my FREE OS
[10:27] <jmob> Fackamato: set your umask correctly then run find to change everything to the permissions you want
[10:27] <transgress> yeah i've dumpstered some stuff
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> with Illegal decoder
[10:27] <mark345> hey everyone, thanks for the help, anyone know where to get the most up to date version of libdvdcss, even a nightly?
[10:27] <transgress> but not dvd's
[10:27] <holycow> anyway, don't complain about somethign you got for free, your options are 1) go buy a 'legal' dvd player/software (they do exist for linux), 2) appreciate the work done by the nice folks that did libdvdcss and so forth and 3) loby your government to make such practices illegal, the industry should not be able to control end to end distribution, fight for your fair use rights
[10:27] <nomasteryoda> i have lots of computers from dumpster
[10:27] <transgress> mark345: just get the marillat one
[10:27] <jmob> Fackamato: do you want files your create to have premissions set so that only you can read the file?
[10:27] <jeld> transgress, oh, got it, it watches the install and compiles a deb package out of changed files right?
[10:28] <jmob> Fackamato: or do you just want your home directory to be not site-wide reeadable?
[10:28] <Fackamato> jmob: yeah,
[10:28] <transgress> yes
[10:28] <nomasteryoda> hey, there's a Fair Use Day coming up
[10:28] <Fackamato> both
[10:28] <josip> damn slow backports ! :(
[10:28] <transgress> what are we supposed to do on fair use day?
[10:28] <nnonix> yes, fight for your right to redistribute your copywritten materials!!!
[10:28] <nomasteryoda> transgress, tell the fools in congress, etc
[10:28] <jmob> Fackamato: What shell are you using, bash?
[10:29] <nomasteryoda> that we want our rights
[10:29] <Fackamato> jmob: yups
[10:29] <mark345> transgress: can you give me the entire repository string?
[10:29] <jeld> transgress, unfortunately my case is a bit more complicated, thanx for the tip though
[10:29] <holycow> i didn't say redistribute, i say fair use, i.e. watch it on the device of your choice, make a couple backup copies
[10:29] <Fac51> ok, i've narrowed my problem down...
[10:29] <transgress> mark345: no i cannot... but google.com can... it's not high
[10:29] <mark345> ok
[10:29] <jmob> Fackamato: put this: umask 0077
[10:29] <jmob> Fackamato: in your .bashrc
[10:29] <Fackamato> gnome is really RAM hungry, with firefox, gaim and some uptime + xchat it takes three to fifteen (extreme situations) to open a gnome terminal
[10:29] <nnonix> hehe, oh yeah ... that's what we SAY we're fighting for ... but really we just want to share stuff for free!!!
[10:30] <Fackamato> jmob: thanks..
[10:30] <Fac51> this is my sources.list as it is now, i #'d the urls that were cause the problem... http://pastebin.com/281560
[10:30] <Burgundavia> nnonix, not really
[10:30] <jeld> anyone knows how to specify which compiler to use when building a deb? Should I patch the Makefile.in or can I somehow tell debian/rules which one to use?
[10:30] <jmob> Fackamato: then, if you want to you can run: find ~myloginname -type f -exec chmod 0600 {} \;
[10:30] <Fackamato> not ~/myloginname ?
[10:30] <AlfaWolph> where do you put services you'd like to have automatically start in ubuntu
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Fac51, you don;t need all those nerim.net stuff
[10:31] <jmob> Fackamato: that'll make it so any file in your home directory is only readable by you, but it'll also make it so that any executables you have won't have the x bit anymore
[10:31] <Fac51> er
[10:31] <Burgundavia> Fac51, I would switch to hoary-extras from the backports projects. Marginally less cracksih
[10:31] <nnonix> "not really" meaning "your right, but don't say that in public"?
[10:31] <jmob> Fackamato: just ~ should work, sorry
[10:31] <Burgundavia> nnonix, I mean it very seriously
[10:31] <Fackamato> jmob: hm roger
[10:31] <Fac51> ok, it's all messed up....
[10:31] <Fackamato> another thing, umask 077 is like chmod 722?
[10:32] <AlfaWolph> anyone?
[10:32] <jmob> Fackamato: that find should be followed by: find ~myloginname -type d -exec chmod 0700 {}\;
[10:32] <jmob> Fackamato: that find should be followed by: find ~myloginname -type d -exec chmod 0700 {} \;
[10:32] <jmob> Fackamato: that'll fix directories
[10:32] <Fackamato> ah
[10:32] <fsapo> hi.. i ve used hdparm to set dma mode on in my dvdrw drive, it will set it again when i reboot?
[10:32] <jmob> Fackamato: no, umask says what bits aren't set
[10:33] <Fackamato> tjamls
[10:33] <Fackamato> thanks*
[10:34] <AlfaWolph> where do you put services you'd like to have automatically start in ubuntu
[10:34] <friedhelm> Hallo, jemand da ?
[10:35] <jmob> fsapo: probably not, it might need to be set somewhere in a start-up script
[10:35] <Fackamato> I wonder why people think that not speaking english in a channel they haven't visited before would work
[10:35] <transgress> AlfaWolph: such as modules or what?
[10:36] <Fac51> reverted to original sources.list, "Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists"
[10:36] <Fackamato> how would I chmod something to be system-wide readable? :>
[10:36] <fsapo> jmob, hmm.... i want it to start at boot.. do you know how to do it?
[10:36] <Fackamato> 755 ?=
[10:36] <jmob> AlfaWolph: you need to put a script in /etc/init.d and us update-rc.d to say at what run levels you want it to be running
[10:37] <jmob> s/and us/and use/
[10:37] <jmob> Fackamato: open a console and read ``man chmod''
[10:37] <Seveas> transgress, apt-get update will help :)
[10:37] <Seveas> Fac51, i meant
[10:37] <AlfaWolph> is rl5 the full gnome desktop?
[10:37] <transgress> i was like wtf Seveas
[10:38] <Seveas> Fackamato, chmod a+r the_file_that_must_be_readable
[10:38] <jmob> AlfaWolph: what do you want to have start up at boot?
[10:38] <Seveas> sorry transgress :)
[10:38] <AlfaWolph> nxserver
[10:38] <Fac51> i did apt-get update, synaptic now opens fine, but if i reload... it screws up and wo'nt get the gpg files then it's all crap from there
[10:39] <jmob> AlfaWolph: if it's a ubuntu package, and it's a service, it probably already has a script in /etc/init.d, and you would just do ``update-rc.d script.in.init.d defaults''
[10:39] <Fac51> is that normal?
[10:39] <Seveas> Fac51, not really
[10:39] <Fackamato> thanks
[10:39] <Fac51> hmm
[10:39] <Seveas> can you paste your sources.list on some pastebin please
[10:40] <jmob> breezy *hog?
[10:40] <Seveas> breezy badger
[10:40] <jmob> oh, no more hogs :-/
[10:40] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281561
[10:40] <jacquesmerde> ok, stupid question time. once one has installed a program with sudo wine install.exe, how does one run it?
[10:41] <AlfaWolph> hmm
[10:41] <Fackamato> Any Iron Maiden r0xx0rs in here? ;>
[10:41] <AlfaWolph> it isn't an ubuntu package
[10:41] <AlfaWolph> but it was a deb
[10:41] <Seveas> Fac51, looks normal to me
[10:41] <Fac51> yeah
[10:41] <Fackamato> jacquesmerde: no reason to use sudo with wine!?
[10:41] <Fac51> i know
[10:41] <Seveas> Fac51, does apt-get update give an error?
[10:41] <Fac51> no
[10:41] <Fac51> i think it has something to do with the gpg authentication
[10:42] <Fac51> i don't know how to revert it to the original
[10:42] <jacquesmerde> Fackamato, really? damn
[10:42] <Seveas> Fac51, try apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[10:42] <Seveas> -s means simulate, so it doesn't really do anything
[10:42] <jacquesmerde> so how do i unwine it?
[10:42] <jmob> AlfaWolph: run ``dpkg -L name_of_package|grep init.d''
[10:42] <Fac51> ok, now what?
[10:43] <Seveas> no errors?
[10:43] <Fac51> none
[10:43] <Fac51> well...
[10:43] <Fac51> at first, it told me to apt-get update, so i did
[10:43] <Fac51> then i redid what you told me to do
[10:43] <Fac51> then it gave no errors
[10:43] <AlfaWolph> returns nothing
[10:44] <Seveas> and what is the exact error synaptic gives you?
[10:44] <jmob> AlfaWolph: then you might need to write a start-up script for it
[10:44] <Fac51> now if i hit reload in synaptic, it give me "Could not download all repository indexes" again
[10:44] <jmob> AlfaWolph: look at /etc/init.d/skeleton
[10:44] <AlfaWolph> all i need is a line that enters 'nxserver --start'
[10:44] <AlfaWolph> that's it
[10:44] <shmoolik> hello did someone here installed the new aMule2 ? i m looking for packages for ubuntu and i don't find any  =\
[10:44] <Seveas> only "Could not download.."? no other errors?
[10:44] <Fac51> i'll pastbin it
[10:45] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281562
[10:45] <AlfaWolph> gentoo had a file for that sort of thing
[10:45] <AlfaWolph> i'm surprised ubuntu doesn't
[10:45] <Seveas> Fac51, Aaahhhhh!!!
[10:46] <AlfaWolph> it seems like somethign i've seen in all linux distros
[10:46] <Seveas> server error on us.archive
[10:46] <Fac51> ???
[10:46] <Seveas> replace all instances of us.archive.ubuntu.com with archive.ubuntu.com in your sources.list
[10:46] <Fac51> ok
[10:46] <Seveas> the us.archive.ubuntu.com server is flaky it seems
[10:46] <jmob> cd /etc/init.d; sudo -c 'echo "nxserver --start" >nxserver'; sudo chmod +x nxserver; sudo update-rc.d nxserver defaults
[10:46] <jmob> AlfaWolph: ^^
[10:47] <jmob> AlfaWolph: ubuntu does have it, in the same manner that Debian, Redhat, and Gentoo do
[10:48] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281563
[10:48] <tinrib> Hi, I have a couple of Courier MTA questions. Anyone able to help me?
[10:48] <Seveas> Fac51, are you running some sort of proxy on your machine?
[10:49] <Fac51> not at the moment
[10:49] <Fac51> i shut them down because of this
[10:49] <Fac51> it
[10:49] <Seveas> that explains
[10:49] <Fac51> but the network settings are set for direct internet connection
[10:49] <Seveas> this error (which i that was caused by us.archive.ubuntu.com) is simply a result of a failing proxy
[10:49] <Fac51> for synaptic
[10:50] <sir-gold> is there a config somewhere that says which interface to use for apt?
[10:50] <Fac51> ok
[10:50] <svamp> Which is the most simple and easy to set up of all webmail, calendar, collab suites?
[10:50] <Seveas> sir-gold, you just use what you like :)
[10:51] <Fac51> how do i fix this proxy issue?
[10:51] <sir-gold> the reason i ask is because it might have been switched to lo in Fac51's pc
[10:51] <Fac51> ok, how do i switch it to eth0?
[10:51] <Seveas> no idea, i never use proxies
[10:53] <Fac51> hmm
[10:54] <Fac51> would uninstalling the proxy server help any??
[10:54] <sir-gold> im only guessing about the 'lo' thing
[10:55] <Fac51> i don't know how to switch it
[10:55] <Seveas> sir-gold, no some, proxy has been set somewhere in the apt config
[10:55] <Seveas> has nothing to do with the network interface
[10:55] <Fac51> which conf file would it be in?
[10:56] <Seveas> Fac51, in synaptic, go to settings->preferences
[10:56] <Seveas> select the network tab
[10:56] <fsapo> anyone here using kde? people in #kubuntu seems to be sleeping :(
[10:56] <Seveas> and remove the proxy settings
[10:56] <sir-gold> fsapo i do
[10:56] <Fac51> there are no proxy settings
[10:56] <Fac51> it's setup for direct internet connection
[10:57] <Seveas> ok, so your proxy is transparent
[10:57] <Fac51> no clue
[10:57] <Fac51> i think i'm gonna uninstall it though
[10:57] <Seveas> do that
[10:57] <Seveas> and check iptables -L
[10:57] <Seveas> it might have fscked up some things in there
[10:57] <fsapo> sir-gold, do you know how to open files with double click and select with single click in konqueror?
[10:58] <sir-gold> yes fsapo, hold on a sec
[10:58] <fsapo> sir-gold, ok, thanks, i ve searched the configs but didnt find it :(
[10:59] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281564
[11:00] <Fac51> proxy is uninstalled after before i iptables -L
[11:00] <Fac51> oops
[11:00] <Fac51> uninstalled proxy, then i iptables -L
[11:01] <Fac51> should i restart eth0?
[11:01] <sir-gold> fsapo open control center, go to peripherals>mouse
[11:02] <aurax> anyone knows a good color laser printer+copier+scanner that works good under ubuntu ?
[11:02] <Seveas> Fac5, try again
[11:02] <fsapo> sir-gold, ok
[11:02] <Fac51> try what agin?
[11:02] <tinrib> Hi, I have a couple of simple Courier MTA questions. Anyone able to help me?
[11:02] <Seveas> synaptic :)
[11:02] <Seveas> tinrib, maybe. Just ask :)
[11:03] <Fackamato> hm
[11:03] <Fackamato> where do I go to suggest software to be added to the repositories?
[11:03] <aurax> anyone ?
[11:03] <Seveas> Fackamato, see wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:03] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281567
[11:03] <fsapo> sir-gold, thanks ^^ i didnt think about the mouse.. i was trying to change it in konqueror hehe
[11:03] <Seveas> still proxy crap
[11:04] <Fac51> yeah
[11:04] <Fackamato> thanks Seveas
[11:04] <Fac51> i'm gonna kick it in the floppy
[11:04] <Seveas> Fac51, try dpkg --purge packagename_of_proxy
[11:04] <tinrib> OK. First, if I install Courier MTA should I also uninstall Postfix (which I think is the Ubuntu default MTA) or is there an easier or better way to disable Postfix?
[11:04] <sir-gold> fsapo i just spent the last hour exploring control center
[11:04] <Seveas> tinrib, i think it will automatically want to remove postfix, but i'm not sure
[11:04] <fsapo> sir-gold, nice :) i think i ll take a better look at it too
[11:04] <aurax> anyone knows a good color laser printer with scanner and copier suite for unix ?
[11:04] <shido6> whats the web development app for ubuntu?
[11:04] <shido6> nvu? or something?
[11:05] <Seveas> Fac51, and restart your pc, maybe some settings are left crappy
[11:05] <Burgundavia> shido6, nvu is WYSIWYG
[11:05] <dolny|zZz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:05] <dolny|zZz>   libsdl1.2-dev: Depends: libasound2-dev (>= 1.0.7-3) but it is not going to be installed
[11:05] <dolny|zZz> E: Broken packages
[11:05] <dolny|zZz> what can i do?
[11:05] <Seveas> shido6, vim :)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> shido6, bluefish
[11:05] <Fac51> "dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove squid which isn't installed."
[11:05] <Fackamato> Hm, Seveas, I can't find where on the page to add a program
[11:05] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, are you using non-standard repositories like marillat or backports?
[11:05] <dolny|zZz> no
[11:06] <dolny|zZz> ill check sources to be sure
[11:06] <tinrib> OK, second question is this: I will be fetching mail from an ISP via POP3. SHould I use Fetchmail for this or does Courier MTA have the ability to fetch POP3 mail? (I have searched the documentation, but I didn't find the answer to this)
[11:06] <Seveas> Fackamato, a link on that MOTU page points to wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[11:06] <Seveas> there you can add it, you can also try #ubuntu-motu
[11:06] <Seveas> you need something like fetchmail for that
[11:07] <tinrib> OK, thanks
[11:07] <nakaiy> !list
[11:07] <aurax> anyone knows a good color laser printer with scanner and copier suite for unix ?
[11:07] <dolny|zZz> seveas: i checked the synaptic reposuitories to be sure
[11:07] <dolny|zZz> i dont use'em
[11:07] <dolny|zZz> please help :}
[11:08] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, can you paste the output of apt-cache show the_package_you_want_to_install on a pastebin please
[11:08] <Fac51> also, if i try to install something it says "not authenticated"
[11:08] <Fac51> and won't install
[11:09] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[11:09] <Seveas> hi sobersabre
[11:09] <Fac51> would dpkg-reconfigure synaptic work?
[11:09] <sobersabre> Fac51, why not ?
[11:09] <roberto> hello :)
[11:09] <Fac51> failed
[11:09] <Seveas> Fac51, i doubt that it will solve your problem
[11:10] <Fac51> i noticed
[11:10] <Fac51> lol
[11:10] <roberto> does Ubuntu install process let to choose XFS filesystem?
[11:10] <sobersabre> Fac51, i've just joined... what is your problem ?
[11:10] <sobersabre> roberto, why do you need xfs ?!?!
[11:10] <dolny|zZz> seveas: priv
[11:10] <Fac51> heh, you really want to know? i've been in here for about 3 hours trying to get it fixed
[11:10] <roberto> y love xfs :)
[11:11] <roberto> said
[11:11] <roberto> i love xfs :)
[11:11] <Fac51> sobersabre : http://pastebin.com/281567
[11:12] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, try apt-get install libasound2-dev first
[11:12] <Seveas> Fac51, have you restarted yet?
[11:12] <Fac51> uhm
[11:12] <Fac51> no
[11:12] <dolny|zZz> seveas:
[11:12] <dolny|zZz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:12] <dolny|zZz>   libasound2-dev: Depends: libasound2 (= 1.0.8-1) but 1.0.8-3 is to be installed
[11:12] <dolny|zZz> E: Broken packages
[11:13] <Seveas> i think some proxy crap is still around on your machine
[11:13] <sobersabre> Fac51, Fac51, Fac51 have you ran a proxy server ?
[11:13] <sobersabre> Fac51, are you running a proxy ?
[11:13] <Fac51> for a short time
[11:13] <dolny|zZz> hm
[11:13] <sobersabre> haha
[11:13] <Fac51> not currently
[11:13] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, are you running breezy?
[11:13] <sobersabre> you're good.
[11:13] <Fac51> i uninstalled it
[11:13] <Fac51> should i restart??
[11:13] <dolny|zZz> 5.04
[11:13] <sobersabre> then run apt-setup
[11:13] <sobersabre> and make sure no proxy is used
[11:13] <sobersabre> ok ?
[11:13] <Fac51> apt-setup after reboot?
[11:13] <dolny|zZz> kubuntu - heary hedgehog or smth like that ;)
[11:13] <xukun> which firewall can I best use with ubuntu?
[11:13] <sobersabre> Fac51, have you hear ?
[11:14] <sobersabre> Fac51, NO REBOOT!!
[11:14] <Fac51> ok
[11:14] <dolny|zZz> :((
[11:14] <Sionide> xukun technically you don't really need one, but search synaptic for firestarter
[11:14] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, latest version of libasound2 on hoary is 1.0.8-1
[11:14] <Seveas> so where did yo get 1.0.8-3 from?
[11:14] <Fackamato> holy shit man
[11:14] <Fackamato> Seveas: the Wiki is severely bugged
[11:14] <dolny|zZz> hmm
[11:14] <sobersabre> Fac51, have you run apt-setup ?
[11:14] <Fac51> starting it now
[11:14] <dolny|zZz> i use standard repositories
[11:14] <dolny|zZz> this is weird
[11:14] <Fackamato> tried changing my password, got different errors everytime, then it changed itself, and now I can't login with it
[11:15] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, try apt-cache show libasound2
[11:15] <Fackamato>  Error Type
[11:15] <Fackamato>     AttributeError
[11:15] <Fackamato> Error Value
[11:15] <Fackamato>     'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getProperty'
[11:15] <Burgundavia> dolny|zZz, can you paste that into #flood ?
[11:15] <roberto> erm
[11:15] <roberto> ok
[11:15] <roberto> thanks for nothing :)
[11:15] <Fac51> it didn't recognize my ubuntu cd
[11:16] <dolny|zZz> i did :)
[11:16] <Seveas> that's odd, it sasys 1.0.8-1
[11:16] <Fac51> oh, just got it to recognize
[11:16] <Seveas> says*
[11:16] <Sionide> xukun, any luck?
[11:17] <dolny|zZz> ehhh ;(
[11:17] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, have you at any point used other repositories?
[11:17] <Fac51> it's not recognizing the cdrom dev file now
[11:17] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, and what does dpkg -l libasound2 say?
[11:17] <dolny|zZz> at the beginning but i didn't install sdl through them
[11:18] <dolny|zZz> ok wait
[11:18] <dolny|zZz> ii  libasound2     1.0.8-3        ALSA library
[11:18] <Seveas> voila
[11:18] <Fac51> "This program was unable to auto-detect a CD-ROM drive, or there is no usable CD in the drive."
[11:18] <Seveas> libasound2 has been installed from somewhere else
[11:18] <dolny|zZz> so i should remove libasound2?
[11:18] <dolny|zZz> and install again?
[11:18] <Seveas> yes
[11:18] <dolny|zZz> ok
[11:18] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge libasound2
[11:19] <Seveas> hmm
[11:19] <Seveas> that'll remove a lot
[11:19] <dolny|zZz> After unpacking 278MB disk space will be freed.
[11:19] <dolny|zZz> Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?
[11:19] <dolny|zZz> :/
[11:19] <Fac51> sobersabre : it won't recognize my ubuntu cd
[11:20] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, maybe apt-get install --reinstall libasound2 work
[11:20] <Seveas> will work*
[11:20] <dolny|zZz> Reinstallation of libasound2 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[11:20] <dolny|zZz> hm
[11:21] <Fac51> i set it up for http instead of cdrom, it did some crap and finished , i think
[11:21] <dolny|zZz> doh..
[11:21] <sobersabre> Fac51, do you want it to use CD at all ?
[11:21] <Fac51> no
[11:21] <Fac51> not really
[11:21] <sobersabre> Fac51, run apt-get update.
[11:21] <Fac51> ok
[11:21] <sobersabre> if it has finished with "OK" ... it is "OK"
[11:21] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, so removing and reinstalling all the packages listed when you do apt-get remove libasound2 seems to be the only option...
[11:22] <dolny|zZz> will that remove all my config. files from that programs?
[11:22] <Seveas> no
[11:22] <Seveas> only if you say remove --purge
[11:22] <Fac51> sobersabre : now it does this... http://pastebin.com/281570
[11:22] <Seveas> so without the --purge, config files are left intact
[11:22] <Fac51> still the same
[11:23] <dolny|zZz> ok, now, how can i reinstall them by one command? because i don't want to reinstall all one by one
[11:23] <Seveas> you cant
[11:23] <sobersabre> Fac51, you are still using a proxy
[11:23] <Seveas> you heve to remove them first
[11:23] <dolny|zZz> i mean
[11:23] <dolny|zZz> after removal
[11:23] <Fac51> no
[11:24] <Seveas> and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base etc... all on one line
[11:24] <sobersabre> can you please run this: set | grep proxy
[11:24] <Seveas> but ubuntu-desktop will fetch in most as a dependency
[11:24] <sobersabre> and if this one is empty. set | grep PROXY
[11:24] <dolny|zZz> seveas wouldnt it screw anything?
[11:24] <rudi-rudi> how to i remove info tags from .ogg files on console?
[11:24] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, no idea :)
[11:24] <Seveas> i don;t think so
[11:24] <dolny|zZz> :)
[11:24] <sobersabre> Fac51, can you paste your apt.conf into the bin ?
[11:24] <dolny|zZz> i think i will download the
[11:25] <dolny|zZz> libsdl files from ftp.debian.org
[11:25] <Fac51> ok
[11:25] <zachary> question
[11:25] <dolny|zZz> to ensure that its the good repository
[11:25] <zachary> how do i change my sources.list file
[11:25] <zachary> in terminal
[11:26] <rudi-rudi> i have one question: how i do remove information tags from OGG files on console?
[11:26] <Burgundavia> zachary, edit /etc/sources.list
[11:26] <fighter5> ubuntu is poor
[11:26] <Burgundavia> fighter5, can you explain that/
[11:26] <dolny|zZz> seveas thanks, deleting in progress (cries)
[11:27] <dolny|zZz> it deleted ubuntu base
[11:27] <dolny|zZz> :|
[11:27] <fighter5> zzzzzz............
[11:27] <Seveas> dolny|zZz, no worries
[11:27] <Seveas> ubuntu-base is a metapackage
[11:27] <dolny|zZz> i  hope they wont switch the electricity off
[11:27] <fighter5> ubntu is slow and the most bed in linux
[11:27] <dolny|zZz> ;] 
[11:28] <Fac51> ok, i don't know where apt.conf is and locate is taking forever
[11:28] <Seveas> Burgundavia, you took a troll bait :)
[11:28] <Burgundavia> Seveas, I was looking to see if he was going to continue
[11:28] <Burgundavia> Seveas, then I would have called an air-strike in on his ass
[11:29] <Seveas> Burgundavia, lol :)
[11:29] <zachary> Error: no write permission for file "etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:29] <Burgundavia> zachary, need sudo
[11:29] <zachary> sudo edit etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <zachary> Warning: unknown mime-type for "etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"
[11:29] <zachary> Error: no write permission for file "etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:29] <Fac51> sobersabre : what is the dpkg equivalent to "rpm -ql package.rpm"?
[11:29] <Seveas> Fac51, what does -ql do?
[11:30] <Fac51> list the files in the package
[11:30] <Fac51> and their location
[11:30] <Seveas> dpkg -L packagename
[11:30] <Fac51> oh
[11:30] <Fac51> heh
[11:31] <dolny> well
[11:31] <dolny> seveal
[11:31] <dolny> it went to
[11:31] <Fac51> http://pastebin.com/281572
[11:31] <sobersabre> dpkg -L package name
[11:31] <dolny> out of kde
[11:31] <dolny> ;] 
[11:31] <dolny> im in console
[11:31] <dolny> can you remind me the command ;D
[11:31] <sobersabre> oops Saveas got me 1st
[11:31] <sobersabre> :)
[11:32] <dolny> i mean
[11:32] <dolny> the package name?
[11:32] <dolny> libsound or smth like that
[11:32] <Fac51>  /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf is the only one listed
[11:32] <Seveas> libasound2
[11:32] <dolny> ok brb
[11:32] <dolny> ;] p
[11:32] <Seveas> but apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will install it as a dependency
[11:32] <Seveas> or kubuntu-desktop if on kde
[11:34] <Fac51> apt.conf   http://pastebin.com/281575
[11:34] <Fac51> but it's in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf
[11:35] <SS2> hey all... did somebody today manage to compile,make,install blam 1.8.0?
[11:35] <dolny> hm
[11:36] <Burgundavia> SS2, breezy has 1.8.0
[11:36] <dolny> can you paste me that
[11:36] <dolny> package list :P ? i deleted all and dont know how to start now
[11:36] <dolny> maybe kubuntu desktop proper name
[11:36] <dolny> ubuntu desktop?
[11:36] <dolny> forgot the name and im not used to apt-get yet
[11:36] <dolny> got kubuntu 2 days ago
[11:36] <SS2> after configuring no mistakes comes out but then theres no make
[11:36] <SS2> thats what comes out: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:37] <dolny> sev?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> SS2, 1.8.0 may depend on mono 1.1
[11:37] <SS2> mono is installed
[11:37] <Burgundavia> SS2, you running hoary?
[11:37] <SS2> yep
[11:37] <SS2> wrong version?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> then you have mono 1.0.5
[11:37] <dolny> damn
[11:37] <SS2> so i need mono 1?
[11:37] <dolny> where is that guy :/
[11:37] <SS2> where to gedit?
[11:37] <dolny> seveal?
[11:37] <paueas> hey, what package do i need for java to work in firefox?
[11:38] <Burgundavia> SS2, run breezy
[11:38] <SS2> ok
[11:38] <SS2> thx
[11:38] <Burgundavia> SS2, but i wouldn't recommend it
[11:38] <paueas> or do i need to just do that myself?
[11:38] <dolny> quit
[11:38] <Seveas> breezy will soon be *very* unstable...
[11:38] <SS2> i also dont whant to youse breezy
[11:38] <Burgundavia> SS2, 1.8.0 isn't anything special, save atom feeds
[11:38] <paueas> like by sun and such
[11:39] <Seveas> paueas, there are instructions on the wiki on how to do jave
[11:39] <Fac51> sobersabre : am i screwed?
[11:39] <paueas> ok
[11:39] <Seveas> paueas, it involves donloading the .bin installer from sun and running make-jpkg
[11:39] <paueas> ah alright
[11:39] <sobersabre> Fac51, no
[11:39] <sobersabre> :)
[11:39] <Fac51> ok
[11:39] <sobersabre> you probably need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:40] <sobersabre> have you pasted apt.conf ?
[11:40] <Fac51> i've done that a million times now
[11:40] <sobersabre> where have you pasted apt.conf ?
[11:40] <Fac51> apt.conf   http://pastebin.com/281575
[11:40] <Fac51> but it's in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf
[11:41] <Seveas> sobersabre, there is no apt.conf in ubuntu by default
[11:41] <Seveas> there is however apt.conf.d/
[11:41] <Fac51> yeah, which is a pain in the arse
[11:41] <sobersabre> Saveas... if he has proxy on... there must be
[11:41] <sobersabre> or he has http_proxy env. variable on
[11:42] <Fac51> hmm
[11:42] <Fac51> how do i check that???
[11:42] <Seveas> sobersabre, in a terminal type sudo env | grep -i proxy
[11:42] <Fac51> AHG
[11:42] <Fac51> it is set
[11:42] <Seveas> unset it.
[11:42] <Fac51> how do i kill that???
[11:43] <Fac51> unset $HTTP_PROXY???
[11:43] <Seveas> unset HTTP_PROXY
[11:44] <sobersabre> yep
[11:44] <sobersabre> or unset http_proxy
[11:44] <sobersabre> depends on who set it
[11:44] <Seveas> stupid proxies :)
[11:44] <Fac51> damn
[11:44] <Fac51> still get the error
[11:45] <Seveas> sounds reasonable
[11:45] <Seveas> since synaptic is run as root
[11:45] <Seveas> try this:
[11:45] <Seveas> sudo -i
[11:45] <Seveas> unset -v HTTP_PROXY
[11:45] <Seveas> synaptic &
[11:46] <Fac51> i did it all in root
[11:47] <Fac51> still getting the error
[11:47] <Seveas> after unset, what does env | grep -i proxy say?
[11:48] <Fac51> nothing
[11:49] <Seveas> hmm, so the proxy is set somewhere else
[11:49] <Seveas> try grep -i proxy /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/*
[11:49] <Fac51> nothing
[11:50] <Seveas> try apt-get install funny-manpages
[11:50] <Seveas> just to see whether apt-get works
[11:50] <Seveas> if that works, it's a synaptic-specific error
[11:51] <Fac51> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"   but it will install
[11:51] <Fac51> synaptic won't do crap
[11:51] <Seveas> synaptic still gives those "unable to connect" errors?
[11:51] <Fac51> yeah
[11:52] <ivoks> i was ready to start installing ubuntu on server
[11:52] <ivoks> but nautilus didn't burn my CD right :(
[11:52] <ivoks> so, my ubuntu installation disk is useless
[11:53] <holycow> ubuntu on server? at least you know better :)
[11:53] <ivoks> :)
[11:53] <ivoks> holycow it's simple, ftp serverf
[11:54] <ivoks> i wanted to test if ubuntu is ready..
[11:54] <Seveas> it is :)
[11:54] <ivoks> i doubt that
[11:54] <ptlo> ivoks: why on earth would you use ubuntu for server when you've got debian?
[11:54] <ivoks> couse... it can burn CD right :)
[11:54] <ptlo> not that it cannot perform..but the logic of that escapes me...
[11:54] <ivoks> ptlo relax man
[11:57] <ivoks> ne vjerujem!
[11:57] <ivoks> pise sarge.iso, a ono woody... pa fuck it
[11:57] <fsapo> hi all, anyone knows some kind of finace application to run in ubuntu? some easy to use and simple app to control billing and some stuff
[11:57] <howdyDoody> is it common to use ubuntu as a server?
[11:58] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, yes
[11:58] <joe|code> howdyDoody, my sister uses Ubuntu for her server.
[11:58] <howdyDoody> we want to move from cvs on redhat 7 to svn on something, thinking of debian, ubuntu or something like white box
[11:59] <Fac51> would it help if i kicked my box?
[11:59] <Seveas> howdyDoody, all canonical servers run Ubuntu :)
[11:59] <Fac51> lol
[11:59] <Seveas> Fac51, maybe :)
[11:59] <Fac51> running start or standing?
[11:59] <Fac51> heh
[11:59] <Seveas> but seriously, reconsider rebooting some settings might still linger around until reboot
[11:59] <Fac51> ok
[11:59] <Fac51> i'll give it a whirl
[11:59] <Fac51> brb
[12:00] <ivoks> fuck...
[12:00] <ivoks> why do i have woody iso on my disk?! :(
[12:01] <howdyDoody> is there somewhere I can find out what apps are in the ubuntu universe?
[12:02] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, packages.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <Seveas> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:03] <howdyDoody> thanks
[12:03] <ivoks> sounds like packages.debian.org :)
[12:03] <howdyDoody> couldn't find a link to that on the website
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ivoks, same code
[12:03] <howdyDoody> lookes like the deb one too...
[12:03] <ivoks> Burgundavia i'm sure it is
[12:03] <Burgundavia> ivoks, I know it is
[12:04] <Seveas> same code, same maintainer :)
[12:05] <olirius> /quit
[12:05] <Fac51> SUCCESS!!! :-D
[12:05] <Seveas> nice :)
[12:05] <howdyDoody> is it hard to get an app added to universe?
[12:05] <Fac51> now i have to redo the multiverse
[12:05] <Fac51> i'll worry about that later
[12:06] <Seveas> howdyDoody, that depends on the state of the application. If it is well maintained chances of being added are bigger
[12:06] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, not hard
[12:06] <Fac51> thank you all for your efforts in helping me, it is much appreciated
[12:06] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, what app?
[12:06] <Seveas> yw Fackamato
[12:06] <Fac51> YOU GUYS RULE!
[12:06] <Seveas> Fac51*
[12:06] <siimo> hi can someone help me with totem?, i get this error box when i try to start it : Totem could not startup.  No reason.
[12:06] <howdyDoody> I have been playing with lazarus - http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org
[12:06] <Seveas> lol
[12:06] <Seveas> siimo, are you running it from a terminaL?
[12:07] <siimo> commandline says: ** (totem:7594): WARNING **: No GConf default audio sink key and esdsink doesn't work ** Message: failed to render default audio sink from gconf
[12:07] <Fac51> thanks again and g'night to all
[12:07] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, this thing? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=lazarus&sourceid=mozilla-search
[12:07] <Seveas> siimo, have you disabled sound server startup?
[12:07] <siimo> yes
[12:07] <Seveas> re-enable it for totem to work :)
[12:07] <siimo> i want to use ALSA
[12:08] <howdyDoody> yes, that one
[12:08] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, if it in experimental, as soon it hits unstable, it will hit Ubuntu breezy
[12:08] <Seveas> ok, then edit the totem config to make it use alsa
[12:08] <howdyDoody> oh, ok
[12:09] <siimo> ok
[12:09] <siimo> where does totem look for codecs
[12:09] <howdyDoody> what makes it move from experemental to unstable?
[12:09] <Seveas> howdyDoody, a debian developer ;)
[12:09] <wdh> the maintainer thinking it's good enough for it :P
[12:09] <ivoks> sarge rulz :)
[12:09] <howdyDoody> ok
[12:10] <howdyDoody> sorry for asking so many dumb questions
[12:10] <Burgundavia> howdyDoody, there are no dumb questions
[12:10] <ivoks> Seveas nice answer :)
[12:10] <wdh> well.. at least most of your questions are hard to get answered on a first google hit..
[12:10] <howdyDoody> thanks
[12:10] <ivoks> :))
[12:11] <howdyDoody> the ubuntu devels have really done well
[12:11] <Seveas> there are no stupud questions, only stupid people
[12:11] <Seveas> (and i don't mean anyone in here by that...)
[12:11] <Burgundavia> and bad listeners
[12:11] <Seveas> indeed
[12:11] <wdh> Burgundavia, there most certainly are.. anything you can google within a few seconds shouldnt be asked imho
[12:11] <light_punch2> ubuntu comes with javac?
[12:12] <Seveas> light_punch2, not standard because of licensing issues
[12:12] <Burgundavia> wdh, maybe, but some people haven't developed that skill yet
[12:12] <Seveas> there are instruction on how to install java on the Ubuntu wiki
[12:12] <transgress> but very easy to obtain
[12:12] <light_punch2> ok
[12:12] <mjr> light_punch2, there are java compilers available, but not the Sun one, for reasons mentioned
[12:12] <siimo> light_punch2, apt-get install gcj
[12:12] <Seveas> mjr, nice answer :)
[12:12] <Seveas> but gcj is still not good enough (ie: a lot of things are missing)
[12:13] <howdyDoody> there is always harmony...one day
[12:13] <xukun> which MTA is in ubuntu?
[12:13] <mjr> well, strictly speaking, gcj is quite good enough for many things, but the class libraries are lacking, but that's perchance nitpicking a bit :)
[12:13] <wdh> xukun, several
[12:13] <wdh> xukun, probably whichever you want
[12:14] <xukun> wdh, I need to configure mutt to send mail
[12:14] <Seveas> xukun, by default postfix, but a lot of others are available
[12:14] <Seveas> mutt doesn't need a local MTA iirc
[12:14] <mjr> (there's some nice progress with the awt/swing implementations in classpath and libgcj, though completeness is still in the future)
[12:15] <xukun> Seveas, realy. so I dont have to configure any mta?
[12:15] <wdh> xukun, you probably need to setup mutt to use an external one..
[12:15] <wdh> xukun, from your ISP for example
[12:16] <wdh> Seveas, correct me if im wrong
[12:16] <dolny> hi
[12:17] <dolny> what is the package
[12:17] <dolny> for sdl mixer for debian called?
[12:17] <wdh> dolny
[12:17] <wdh> stop
[12:17] <dolny> :( ?
[12:17] <wdh> putting
[12:17] <wdh> all
[12:17] <wdh> those
[12:17] <wdh> returns
[12:17] <dolny> say ok.
[12:17] <wdh> in
[12:17] <wdh> your
[12:17] <wdh> sentence
[12:17] <dolny> o
[12:17] <dolny> k
[12:17] <wdh> :P
[12:18] <dolny> Dear idlers, can you kindly answer my question: how is the package for sdl mixer in debian called?
[12:18] <wdh> wouter@ubuntu:/music/Downloads$ apt-cache search sdl |grep mixer
[12:18] <wdh> libsdl-mixer1.2 - mixer library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2
[12:18] <wdh> libsdl-mixer1.2-dev - development files for SDL1.2 mixer library
[12:18] <wdh> cl-sdl-mix - Support for the SDL_mixer library in Common Lisp
[12:18] <wdh> prolly one of those
[12:18] <dolny> thanks, ill have to memorize that command ;)
[12:19] <dolny> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:19] <dolny>   libsdl-mixer1.2-dev: Depends: libogg-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:19] <dolny>                        Depends: libvorbis-dev but it is not going to be installed
[12:19] <dolny> E: Broken packages
[12:19] <dolny> GOD DAMMIT
[12:19] <dolny> i just reinstalled kde libs and all stuuf, almost 300 mb and it stil doesn't work
[12:19] <wdh> dolny, would you mind not swearing in here?
[12:19] <dolny> ssh..
[12:20] <wdh> you are one hoary?
[12:20] <dolny> yes
[12:20] <dolny> i re installed sdl a moment ago and had to reinstall kde libs ubuntu base etc
[12:20] <dolny> and it stil doesnt owrk
[12:20] <Hans_de_Zwart> I want to make my laptop a dual boot system. WinXP and Ubuntu. It already is WinXP. Do I need to create a partition from windows (not too comfortable doing that) or is defragging and then booting the Ubuntu disk good enough?
[12:21] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, not yet..
[12:21] <dolny> wdh can you help;/?
[12:21] <hunger> Arg! Just wasted hours to setup networking in qemu just to find out that it works perfectly out of the box (as long as you do not meddle with it of course):-(
[12:21] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, qtparted on the knoppix disk works great though
[12:21] <wdh> dolny, are you sure you nead the libsdl-mixer*-dev part?
[12:22] <xukun> wdh,  I cant seem to send mail when using mutt
[12:22] <wdh> xukun, sorry, never effectively used it :P
[12:22] <dolny> checking for sdl-config... /usr/bin/sdl-config
[12:22] <dolny> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... yes
[12:22] <dolny> checking for Mix_QuickLoad_RAW in -lSDL_mixer... no
[12:22] <dolny> configure: error: *** SDL_mixer version 1.2.4 or later not found!
[12:22] <wdh> get a nice mutt howto somewhere..
[12:22] <Hans_de_Zwart> wdh: that means I have to download a knoppix disk and burn it, I wanted to do it in the coming two hours or so
[12:23] <dolny> im gonna kill myself
[12:23] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, yes.. i perfectly understand that.. i always have a knoppix cd near :P they always come in usefull.. what you want is on the list for breezy though
[12:23] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, but that wont help you now
[12:24] <dolny> wdh: is there something i can do ? not having to reinstall 300mb?
[12:24] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, if you live near rotterdam, you can get a knoppix cd here :)
[12:24] <Hans_de_Zwart> wdh: I suddenly realise I have an ATmission CD in my bag! Do you happen to know whether is has qtparted? I will check...
[12:24] <wdh> google will know ;p
[12:25] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, otherwise you could check download.com for free partitioning programs for winxp
[12:26] <dolny> wdh: maybe i should force something?
[12:26] <wdh> dolny, its always hard to solve problems like yours from a distance, not know exactly what you did earlier..
[12:26] <wdh> knowing*
[12:27] <Hans_de_Zwart> wdh: I am in Amsterdam Zuidoost right now!
[12:28] <wdh> i'll drop it on the train to amsterdam then :P
[12:28] <Hans_de_Zwart> I will try ATmission and will create my own knoppix CD. Download.com as well, but less of a hope there...
[12:28] <dolny> ive got a question
[12:28] <dolny> or noit.
[12:28] <Hans_de_Zwart> thanks, hope to talk to soon here! bye
[12:28] <dolny> whatever, i have no patience left
[12:28] <wdh> Hans_de_Zwart, i'll check download.com for you..
[12:28] <Hobo> lol
[12:28] <wdh> i have some experience with a partitioning program there.. but not sure which one it was
[12:29] <wdh> dolny, maybe #debian could help you
[12:29] <wdh> dolny, they might know better how to fix these problems
[12:29] <wdh> dolny, although they might kill you for using ubuntu :P
[12:29] <lok> dolny,
[12:29] <Hobo> lmao
[12:29] <Hobo> yeah
[12:29] <ivoks> :)
[12:30] <lok> you have to install the -dev one
[12:30] <lok> in order to make a compilation
[12:30] <selinium> hi all, for some reason every time i try to print it says 'You cannot print while in Print Preview' even though I am not, any ideas on how to clear this?
[12:30] <hpnadig> is there a .deb file for bmp and gaim?
[12:31] <petemc> hpnadig: learn how to search
[12:31] <wdh> hpnadig, just use apt
[12:31] <lok> hpnadig, yes
[12:31] <Hobo> apt-get into it :)
[12:32] <fsapo> anyone here uses some kind of billing system? i m searching but i just found account managers like kmymoney, i want an app like it but to control my clients payment
[12:33] <Burgundavia> fsapo, there is something, you might have better luck on a mailing list or a forum
[12:34] <hpnadig> Hobo, I've had trouble finding the latest on apt-get. its still installing gaim 1.1.4 and there's no bmp audio player
[12:34] <petemc> hpnadig: beep-media-player
[12:34] <petemc> should be there
[12:36] <fsapo> Burgundavia, ok, thanks
[12:36] <hpnadig> petemc, how about the latest gaim? are there updates available on any mirrors?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> hpnadig, only in breezy
[12:37] <petemc> hpnadig: dunno, probably not - what feature is it you need from the latest version?
[12:41] <fsapo> Burgundavia, found one called gnuCash, i ll give it a try
[12:42] <Burgundavia> fsapo, I knew they existed, just didn;t know the name
[12:43] <fsapo> Burgundavia, i found it in google.. but it exists in the ubuntu rep
[12:43] <fsapo> btw.. i ve installed kde here and my abnt2 keyboard is with a deadkey.. anyone knows how to fix it? it was working perfectly in gnome
[12:46] <tanek> im thinking of installing windows dual boot alongside ubuntu, but i need a little help; first off: the disc im planning on using is mounted as /opt. if i remove it, will /opt then be created automaticly on the disc mounted as /? and secondly: how do i restore GRUB after install?
[12:47] <Leppiz> Can anyone help me please? I can't see my legacy ISA soundcard(SB AWE 32 VE non-PnP) at all, tried modprobve already. How can I see legacy ISA devices in Ubuntu?
[12:50] <trondd> Hi everyone! I am trying to install ubuntu, but when I try to boot it the first time, it stops at "Starting Enterprise Volume Management System"
[12:50] <Seveas> tanek, do a mkdir /new-opt
[12:50] <Seveas> then copy over all that's in opt to new-opt
[12:50] <Seveas> unmount /opt
[12:50] <Seveas> and mv /new-opt /opt
[12:51] <ivoks> hehe
[12:51] <tanek> thx Seveas  :D
[12:51] <ivoks> awe32?!
[12:51] <trondd> Any ideas anyone?
[12:51] <ivoks> well, when u get that one working, u'll have best sound ever
[12:51] <ivoks> trondd hit ctrl c when it stops
[12:51] <Leppiz> ivoks: my old loved one :)
[12:51] <ivoks> trondd and then deinstall evms
[12:52] <ivoks> Leppiz dmesg | grep isa
[12:52] <trondd> doesn't help, should I start it in single mode (runlevel 1)
[12:52] <ivoks> trondd yes, you can do that
[12:52] <trondd> ivoks: what does evms do?
[12:52] <tanek> how do i restore grub after windows install then?
[12:52] <Leppiz> ivoks: it doesn't show the card, should I paste the output to you?
[12:53] <Seveas> leppiz modprobe snd-sbawe
[12:53] <ivoks> trondd nothing if you didn't create logic volumes
[12:53] <Seveas> maybe that helps
[12:53] <ivoks> Leppiz on private
[12:53] <trondd> ivoks: ok, then I will try to boot it in rescue mode and remove evms
[12:54] <Seveas> trondd, does it say [OK]  on the starting enterprise ... system line?
[12:54] <trondd> Seveas: no... It just stop there
[12:54] <Seveas> ok
[12:54] <diamanti> hallo all!
[12:54] <Seveas> just ruling out that it isn't something else :)
[12:55] <trondd> Seveas: when I booted in rescue mode it showed errors with my cdrom
[12:55] <diamanti> I have just received the ubuntu live cd. how can I save all my configuration on a usb-memory-stick?
[12:55] <trondd> Seveas: ivoks: removed the cdrom, now it works...
[12:55] <Seveas> Leppiz, did modprobe snd-sbawe work..?
[12:56] <Seveas> trondd, also in non-rescue mode?
[12:56] <Leppiz> Seveas: no, the card cannot be found
[12:56] <trondd> Seveas: it only shows the error message in rescue mode, but the same thing happends...
[12:58] <stephen_> hey
[12:58] <Leppiz> Seveas: the porble, I think, is in the card being a pre-PnP, I have to tell it which IRQ and DMA to use with software, but how?
[12:59] <REBELinBLUE> just wondering, is it safe to remove ubuntu-desktop? because I want to remove bittorrent and evolution as I don't need them but it says ubuntu-desktop will also be removed
[12:59] <fsapo> REBELinBLUE, it is.. i ve removed and i m not having any problems
[12:59] <Fator_Dee> REBELinBLUE: yes, it's only a metapackage
[01:00] <REBELinBLUE> ah OK thanks
[01:00] <AppleSeed> tanek: boot install disc, switch to terminal when parted started, mount your boot partition, chroot it and "grub" "root (hd0,X)" "setup (hd0)" reboot and it's ok
[01:00] <Fator_Dee> REBELinBLUE: as in it's only a "link" to download files "this" and "that"
[01:00] <REBELinBLUE> its not going to cause problems updating then or anything?
[01:01] <Hans_de_Zwart> wdh: are u still there?
[01:01] <fsapo> is there some kind of plugin to put xmms on the systray?
[01:01] <tanek> AppleSeed: how do i switch to terminal?
[01:01] <Hans_de_Zwart> wdh: ATmission wasn't so pleasant
[01:02] <factorx> tanek: alt + f2
[01:02] <Hans_de_Zwart> wdh: I have found a tool that will create a FAT/32 partition for me.
[01:02] <Hans_de_Zwart> Will that do?
[01:02] <tanek> factorx: ok, thx
[01:03] <Seveas> fsapo, there is the gxmms applet...
[01:04] <suoko>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY suoko
[01:04] <mark> been trying to mount a cd-rw
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> suoko: oops?
[01:04] <suoko> oops
[01:04] <mark> but system allows it to work as read-only
[01:05] <fsapo> Seveas, i m running kde =/
[01:05] <mark> what should i do to /etc/fstab?
[01:05] <fsapo> Seveas, and i dont want to leave the xmms window in the taskbar... i want it to work like gaim... go to the tray when click in close
[01:06] <Seveas> sorry, i don't use KDE so i don't know it
[01:06] <suoko> does anyone here use rox-filer?
[01:07] <suoko> I'm trying to use pycdburn but I can't successfully select files to be burned. Any suggestions?
[01:17] <ivoks> looks like the hype is over :)
[01:17] <krischan> Hello everyone! I have a more Linux-basic question: How can I accomplish it that all files (and dirs) that I am going to create under a specific directory will get assigned the priviledge "group may write" (rw-rw-r--)?
[01:18] <Seveas> krischan, set a good umask
[01:18] <ivoks> Seveas hm...
[01:18] <mustardfishfrenz> hey, do any of you use cedega?
[01:18] <ivoks> umask is for all
[01:18] <ivoks> not explicit dir
[01:18] <Seveas> ah, ok
[01:18] <ivoks> this is a good question
[01:18] <Seveas> missed that
[01:18] <Seveas> use a sticky bit
[01:19] <krischan> Seveas: can I assign seperate umasks, I mean aside from the global umask?
[01:19] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: I do
[01:19] <Seveas> krischan, no
[01:19] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: when i install it it says i need libpng3, but i can't find libpng3 package
[01:19] <ivoks> Seveas sticky wouldn't do it
[01:19] <krischan> Seveas: then this is not a good idea. I don't want to affect the global umask with what I want to do.
[01:20] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: do you have universe and all that in yout source list?
[01:20] <mustardfishfrenz> oic
[01:20] <mustardfishfrenz> let me try that
[01:20] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: k =)
[01:20] <krischan> Seveas: what exactly does the sticky bit do?
[01:20] <ivoks> krischan that's not what you want
[01:21] <ivoks> krischan sticky bit enables rw on directory, but enables you to delete only your files
[01:21] <user1> how I can tell vnc server to ignore the qustion ?
[01:21] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: now i beleive i do
[01:21] <ivoks> krischan you can't erase other documents
[01:22] <krischan> ivoks: okay. So, the question remains. Do you have any idea which manual or info-page or whatever could answer my question?
[01:22] <ivoks> krischan why do you need directory in your home to which other could write?
[01:22] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: now open synaptic and search for libpng
[01:22] <ivoks> krischan I'm afraid I don't know how to do this... I'm sure it is possible with ACLs
[01:22] <mustardfishfrenz> okewidokie
[01:23] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: it still doesn't have it
[01:23] <ivoks> krischan you could do this with samba too :)
[01:24] <krischan> ivoks: that's the issue, the directoy isn't in my home. It's '/usr/local/www-root/'. Short background: this dir is my DocumentRoot for my Apache server. I created a group 'wwwdev', that owns this dir, so that all members of 'wwwdev' may operate in this directory. The only thing that's missing is the issue I am describing.
[01:24] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: oh, i forgot to press reload
[01:24] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: lol
[01:24] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: lol
[01:24] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: this is gonna take a while
[01:25] <ivoks> krischan ACLs or samba
[01:25] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: ya and i have to leave for school
[01:25] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: this is a good source for info http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:25] <krischan> ivoks: aren't Access Control Lists something Windows-specific?
[01:25] <Elsidox> mustardfishfrenz: sorry I cant stay and help. Peace.
[01:25] <AppleSeed> tanek CTRL + F1 (if my memory dont fail lol)
[01:25] <ivoks> krischan no
[01:25] <mustardfishfrenz> elsidox: cya
[01:26] <krischan> ivoks: Oh, then I was under a misconception. Do you know a good place to inform myself about ACLs?
[01:27] <ivoks> krischan apt-get install acl
[01:27] <krischan> ivoks: Oh, I see! ;-)
[01:28] <ivoks> krischan there u have setfacl and getfacl
[01:28] <ivoks> krischan you have to have ACL filesystem
[01:30] <nanna> apua
[01:30] <Vjaz> Hello.
[01:31] <Vjaz> Anyone know if it's possible to make Gnome dialogs open directories with a single click instead of a double click, like you can do in Nautilus?
[01:33] <trondd> Just finished installing ubuntu; it looks awesome!!! But I never entered the root passwd during install, and I wonder what it is...
[01:34] <Dave9191> you dont have a root password for ubunut
[01:34] <factorx> trondd: you dont really need it
[01:34] <ivoks> trondd there is no root password
[01:34] <factorx> trondd: use sudo instead
[01:34] <derelm> hi, i am having problems with ubuntu ppc. on my powerbook g4 the touchpad doesn't work
[01:34] <trondd> factorx: hmm ok
[01:35] <Tomcat_> Vjaz: I think you can set this somewhere in the file browser settings... or in the gnome registry. Should I look it up for you?
[01:36] <trondd> factorx: just one more question, can I do all admin as my regular user?
[01:36] <factorx> trondd: whenever ubuntu asks you for an admin password, use your user password
[01:36] <marty> trondd: equivalent of "su -" is "sudo -i" - you enter your password (by default the first user created has admin privelese defined b ysudo
[01:36] <trondd> factorx: how nice! :)
[01:37] <Seveas> trondd, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:37] <Seveas> some more explanations :)
[01:37] <marty> trondd: sudo also logs all the actions you perform while sudo-ed - so watch it, the admin will get you!
[01:38] <trondd> Thanks everyone! I am really pleased with my first impression of ubuntu...
[01:38] <andreu> Hi. Im a begginer in use of linux.
[01:38] <andreu> I have a laptop compaq nx9110 that not works with the life Cd.
[01:39] <andreu> Is my pc in the compatibylity list?
[01:39] <bezibaerchen> i got a nc6120
[01:39] <bezibaerchen> everything works fine
[01:39] <bezibaerchen> 1400x1050 with patch
[01:39] <bezibaerchen> the rest worked out of the box
[01:39] <chillywilly> you guys are still #1 on distro watch
[01:39] <marty> andreu: what do you mean - it doesn't boot or what?
[01:39] <Seveas> andreu, describe "not works"
[01:40] <ivoks> krischan maybe it's better to do this with samba :)
[01:41] <andreu> when I start in normal mode, system hang when its loading.
[01:41] <andreu> I've tryed in "secure mode" and i cannot use mouse not pad. i no know if my keybord was properly working...
[01:41] <andreu> I've seen the workspace but i cannot do nothing
[01:42] <chrissturm> hey guys! i have an acer travelmate 660 with ipw2100 wlan, and some time ago the wlan stopped working
[01:42] <chrissturm> the driver is loaded, and everything seems ok, but it doesnt find the AP
[01:43] <marty> andreu: can you get to a console - Ctrl - ALt - F1?
[01:43] <mdbr> salve qualcuno ha notizie se flash ha rilasciato il plug-in per i 64BIT
[01:45] <Tomcat_> chrissturm: Try: "sudo rmmod ipw2100;sudo modprobe ipw2100", and then try again.
[01:45] <Tomcat_> chrissturm: Or if you have a button for the WLAN, try pressing it exactly *twice*
[01:45] <mdbr> Flash plug-in for the AMD 64?
[01:47] <lok> no
[01:47] <andreu> I'll try, just a momment!
[01:47] <lok> plug-in flash works only for x86 arch
[01:47] <chrissturm> tomcat: wow, that worked
[01:47] <chrissturm> tomcat: is there a 'real' fix?
[01:49] <mdbr> ok thanks lok
[01:49] <factorx> how can i synchronize my sonyericsson k700i with evolution via bluetooth?
[01:49] <factorx> multisync should do that, i guess, but how can i enable bluetooth support in multisync?
[01:50] <_unknown_> hi! where can i find about informasion of sarge?(it is being stabile.)(that is true?)
[01:50] <Bazzi> _unknown_ #debian
[01:51] <_unknown_> adsl users are baned.
[01:53] <_unknown_> thaks for your helping.
[01:53] <_unknown_> ????????????????
[01:53] <lok> _unknown_, ??
[01:53] <lok> I can get into #debian
[01:54] <lok> and I use adsl
[01:54] <Tomcat_> chrissturm: Do you use hibernate/suspend to ram?
[01:55] <Tomcat_> chrissturm: And... what worked? rmmode/modprobe or pressing the button?
[01:55] <_unknown_>  am sorry a few week ago we are baned.thaks everbody.(I am from Turkey.)
[02:00] <andreu> Yes. I'm in the console.
[02:00] <andreu> i'm seeing: "/dev/dsp: No such device" arrount 30 times.
[02:00] <andreu> ** (gnome-session:3314): WARNING **:esound failed to start.
[02:00] <andreu> after, "Gnome_message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1" twice times, and /dev ... another time.
[02:00] <andreu> at end, looking for type: got text/plain
[02:01] <marty> andreu: ok , your X is locking because your sound card isn't working - you need to deconfigure sound in gnome
[02:01] <marty> any help me on deconfiguring sound for andreu
[02:01] <factorx> why doesn't gnome-bluetooth-manager find my mobile phone? bluetooth kernel module is activated and my dongle is connected as well
[02:02] <andreu> If i try to install, the troble will be the same?.
[02:03] <andreu> Think that I'm in a life CD...
[02:04] <marty> andreu: possibly  - but you u should be able turn off sound
[02:04] <marty> andreu: this is a problem i have seen on other distros - not having sound working locks up gnome
[02:05] <andreu> And how i turn of sound?
[02:05] <webmind> smash a hamer into your speakers ?
[02:05] <webmind> sorry
[02:05] <webmind> :)
[02:06] <REdz> isnt here an option in the preferences andreu
[02:06] <REdz> called 'sound'
[02:06] <REdz> or a gnome applet for the menubars for sound
[02:07] <Vjaz> Tomcat_: Sorry, I was busy. I was asking about the single click functionality in the Gnome dialogs. So, do you know how to do that?
[02:07] <marty> REdz: he can't get X working - his sound card isn't detected so gnome doe3sn't finish loading
[02:07] <REdz> 0hh my bad
[02:08] <REdz> andreu, wat sound card is it
[02:09] <Vjaz> Tomcat_: I know there's gconf://apps/nautilus/preferences/click_policy, but that only affects the file manager windows, not the load/save dialogs.
[02:10] <tanek> hello
[02:10] <tanek> i managed to screw up my mbr i think :P
[02:11] <Bazzi> nice
[02:11] <Bazzi> :)
[02:11] <tanek> and accidently removed my swap area >D
[02:11] <Tomcat_> Vjaz: I doubt you can do anything about the dialogs without recoding... but I don't know for sure. Sorry.
[02:11] <tanek> running live cd now, and qtparted wont work >\*
[02:11] <Tomcat_> chrissturm: What worked? Pressing the button twice or rmmod/modprobe?
[02:11] <tanek> :[
[02:12] <tanek> :'(
[02:12] <Vjaz> Tomcat_: That's a shame. I find double click bad ergonomy.
[02:12] <rexiboy> what's the best way to get tv out (dvi) with nvidia6800 and ubuntu?
[02:13] <tanek> how do i create a new swap using live cd?
[02:13] <Vjaz> Tomcat_: What I would most like is to have a left click select an item, middle click to activate or open it, and right click to get the context menu.
[02:13] <Tomcat_> Vjaz: Well, if unlike me you got some spare time, you can join the Gnome usability team and try to change it... or at least get a setting for it.
[02:13] <Rudi> Hello all. Rudi-Rudi is now only Rudi. ;-)
[02:14] <andreu> if i start in expert mode, can i discard sound card driver  loading?
[02:14] <andreu> I'm looking for my sound card
[02:14] <Vjaz> Tomcat_: Yeah, that might be a good idea.
[02:15] <marty> andreu: not sure - the issue isn't the driver, it's that gnome wants to play a sound but it can't
[02:16] <levelone> text between <code> tags in forums is not shown in firefox/mozilla. Is this a known problem in ubuntu hoary?
[02:16] <kent> andreu, if you can start gnome, then disable it in the System -> Settings -> Sound.
[02:17] <Vjaz> Tomcat_: The responsibility is a bit overwhelming though given that I know next to nothing about usability.
[02:17] <Tomcat_> :)
[02:18] <SuperSizeME> bonjours, je voidrais rejoindre le channel ( ubuntu-fr )  ?CommentFaire?  MERCI !!
[02:18] <tanek> what was the command for restoring grub to mbr?
[02:18] <tanek> install cd, alt + f2, and then :P
[02:18] <andreu> I can see the espaceworking but i can't move mouse.
[02:18] <andreu> can i disable sound in console?
[02:19] <Tomcat_> SuperSizeME: Type /join #ubuntu-fr
[02:19] <SuperSizeME> Tomcat  merci
[02:19] <levelone> http://lumumba.luc.ac.be/kemal/Screenshot.png   Here is a screenshot of the problem with code tags in firefox
[02:20] <kent> andreu, i think you can kill the sound-server from the console at least..  .check the pid of esd with "pidof esd" and then run "kill -9 XX" where, XX is the number you got from pidof.
[02:20] <p88> how can I find out what the average file size on a partition is?
[02:20] <kent> andreu, that will kill the sound-server,  If it works or not,  I cant say :(
[02:21] <Artic> Can someone help me, i just installed linux and cant figure out how to install a program (limeiwre) i have the .rpm file but no idea what to do.
[02:21] <andreu> one moment. i've restarted my computer
[02:22] <p88> andreu: rpm -i limewire
[02:22] <marty> Artic: alien -i limewire.xxx.rpm
[02:22] <p88> oh yeah...
[02:22] <p88> oops
[02:22] <p88> sry :-\
[02:23] <Tomcat_> Artic: Alien will create a Debian package .deb out of it, which you can install with "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
[02:24] <Artic> Ok what is alien?
[02:25] <marty> andreu: looks like you have a "unusual" sound card - http://www.snakegully.nu/phpwiki/index.php?pagename=LinuxOnCompaqNX9110 will help when you go to install
[02:25] <Tomcat_> Artic: Alien is a program that reads other Linux distribution's package files and converts them to Debian (and Ubuntu's) packages.
[02:25] <Tomcat_> Artic: In package description words: "Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg."
[02:25] <Tomcat_> Artic: If you can, you should always try to get Debian packages.
[02:26] <Tomcat_> Artic: Or Ubuntu packages. ;)
[02:26] <Artic> ok thanks, im d/l it now.
[02:27] <andreu> thanksm marty and other.
[02:27] <andreu> past tomorrow i will try to install.
[02:27] <andreu> see you later
[02:30] <alexandre> hello
[02:31] <kazuhiro`> hi
[02:32] <Rudi> alexandre: Hello.
[02:32] <Rudi> Kazuhiro? Hello.
[02:32] <peanut> Hello. Anyone hot on procmailrc files?
[02:32] <Artic> Can someone point me towards a tutorial, i have no idea how to use linux.
[02:33] <Hoxzer> hi
[02:33] <Rudi> Artic: Linux Documentation Project, is good solution.
[02:33] <Hoxzer> can anyone help me solve my sound problem
[02:33] <oscarh> Artic, you managed to start irc ,) what do you wanna do?
[02:33] <Rudi> Hoxzer: I don't speak good in english, but i help you.
[02:33] <oscarh> peanut, i dont use procmail
[02:34] <oscarh> peanut, only qmail
[02:34] <peanut> oscarh:  yikes!
[02:34] <oscarh> peanut, i believe :)
[02:34] <f> how do i restore grub using install cd?
[02:34] <alexandre> hi
[02:35] <peanut> Does anyone here use procmail? I have a problem with $MATCH not containing the match
[02:36] <lio> has ubunto got any secure firewall?
[02:36] <f> firestarter works for me
[02:36] <xc> f: just do it and stop after you repaired the grub.
[02:36] <alexandre> is there a tool to edit gnome menu?
[02:36] <f> xc what do you mean_
[02:37] <f> ?
[02:37] <Fac51> hi
[02:37] <lio> compared with freebsd security how far is ubunto in a security aspect?
[02:37] <Fac51> i have one quick question....
[02:37] <xc> start with a install image and configure the grub then don't install anything , exit.
[02:37] <Fac51> how do i enable dma for /dev/hdd???
[02:37] <factorx> Fac51: man hdparm
[02:38] <Fac51> thx
[02:38] <xc> be careful, keep your file system not changed.
[02:38] <lio> cya guys
[02:38] <lio> g2g
[02:39] <f> xc, i dont get it
[02:40] <f> it installs grub after it installs the system
[02:40] <xc> no, it install grub first, and quit before install anything else to keep your file system.
[02:41] <f> hmm, ill try
[02:45] <jeroen_> It's May where the Ubuntu-devs live, right...? Where is ubuntu-calendar-may?
[02:46] <jeroen_> Am I the only one unable to find ubuntu-calendar-may?
[02:52] <topyli> jeroen_: no. my trust for ubuntu updates is corroding!
[02:52] <jeroen_> I get other updates
[02:52] <jeroen_> not the calendar though
[02:53] <jeroen_> searching for "ubuntu-calendar-may" gives nothing in synaptic :-/
[02:53] <topyli> jeroen_: well if they don't update the calendar, there might be terrible holes everywhere :)
[02:53] <thomas__> hi
[02:53] <jeroen_> hi
[02:53] <jeroen_> The idea of a monthly calendar is cool, but... it needs to be updated, you know.. :-/
[02:54] <thomas__> i 'am a new user of ubuntu, and i test it
[02:54] <Fuzzhead> Hi
[02:54] <Fuzzhead> newbie looking for LiveCD answers
[02:54] <topyli> jeroen_: the april calendar was a bit dissappointing though. no nudes, which is ok. but it's electric blue or something, which is very bad
[02:55] <snugglebunny> Fuzzhead, Then we're looking for questions
[02:55] <topyli> hungry even!
[02:55] <Fuzzhead> ur funny snugs....
[02:55] <Fuzzhead> um...
[02:56] <jeroen_> topyli: I think it was okay, but not so good. Maybe they had troubles with the company making the photos
[02:56] <Fuzzhead> I get to Ubuntu desktop ok, can mount NTFS hdd ok, but can not get wireless usb network adapter working
[02:56] <jedipottsy> hey
[02:56] <jedipottsy> can someone help me
[02:56] <jeroen_> with what?
[02:56] <jedipottsy> i want to get xmms-mplayer
[02:56] <topyli> jeroen_: that doesn't explain the non-ubuntu color though
[02:56] <Fuzzhead> snugs...  I think the cvs command is not present
[02:56] <jeroen_> topyli: yeah, that's true.. but imagine that thingy in brown.. :s
[02:56] <snugglebunny> Fuzzhead, uch. USB wireless stuff. Not something I can help with sorry.
[02:57] <jeroen_> jedipottsy, it's in the universe repository
[02:57] <jedipottsy> but when i select it, it says i need some libc6, but i have it, and some other lib things
[02:57] <Fuzzhead> ok, thanks snugs...
[02:57] <jedipottsy> it wont let me add it
[02:57] <topyli> jedipottsy: everything needs libc
[02:57] <jedipottsy> hang on
[02:57] <Fuzzhead> anyone really good at explaining how to get wireless usb network adapter working?  I am a newbie, and need step by step
[02:58] <jeroen_> libc6?
[02:58] <jedipottsy> when i try to add xmms-mplayer i get this
[02:58] <jedipottsy> xmms-xmmplayer:
[02:58] <jedipottsy>  Depends: mplayer
[02:58] <jedipottsy> then when i try to add mplayer i get this
[02:58] <jedipottsy> mplayer-386:
[02:58] <jedipottsy>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[02:58] <jedipottsy>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:58] <jedipottsy>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:58] <jedipottsy>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[02:58] <jedipottsy>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[02:58] <jedipottsy>  Depends: libxvidcore4 but it is not going to be installed
[02:58] <jedipottsy>   Depends: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:59] <ShaneAu> Hey
[03:00] <jeroen_> jedipottsy: And you can't install libc6 etc?
[03:00] <ShaneAu> I have two network cards, and it's ignoring me when I try to set a defualt gateway... It's really important eth0 is the defualt gateway.
[03:00] <jedipottsy> no it says already installed
[03:00] <ShaneAu> What other ways can I try, besides the GUI "Network" thing.
[03:01] <jeroen_> jedipottsy: that's weird
[03:01] <Fuzzhead> Newbie needs step by step help, please. Can some help with getting usb wireless to work with LiveCD?
[03:01] <jedipottsy> yeh
[03:02] <jeroen_> jedipottsy: can't help you
[03:02] <jedipottsy> k
[03:03] <_cosmos_> Hello everybody :)
[03:03] <jeroen_> hi
[03:04] <_cosmos_> Got an oldie ati radeon mobility M6. Any way I can spice its performance above 400 fps? Ubuntu 5.4 installed, x.org radeon driver, dri seems enabled
[03:04] <ShaneAu> Anyone?
[03:04] <ShaneAu> :)
[03:05] <matara> i installed ati drivers
[03:05] <matara> for 9600
[03:05] <matara> glrx drivers
[03:06] <matara> you can find them as pakkages in add remove software
[03:06] <matara> just make sure you copy your org xorg.conf
[03:06] <_cosmos_> fglrx does not support m6 iirc :/
[03:07] <matara> oeps didn't know that
[03:08] <sid> Has anyone an idea why xmms isn#t working on my system properly. Codecs have been installed, but when I try to open a mp3, it hangs and has to be killed.
[03:08] <menda> hi i got a doubt
[03:09] <matara> did you check the the i/o settings
[03:09] <sid> where?
[03:09] <matara> in options
[03:09] <sid> OSS driver 1.2.10
[03:10] <matara> maybe try just for the sake of it the esound ones
[03:11] <sid> oh thanks, it works!#
[03:11] <sid> Sometimes its so easy...
[03:11] <matara> ok than i don't know why yet but the oss and alsa are still buggy
[03:12] <sid> I think so, too
[03:12] <topyli> if you run esd, you have to use it in your applications, that's all
[03:12] <lorenzo> anyone italian?
[03:12] <sid> Thank you very much.
[03:12] <kkathman> is there a way to start applications in a particular desktop once you sign into Gnome or Kubuntu/KDE ?
[03:12] <topyli> because esd blocks the sound device while running, so oss and alsa output fails
[03:12] <topyli> kkathman: not in gnome
[03:13] <kkathman> KDE?
[03:13] <topyli> kkathman: haven't seen it in years :)
[03:13] <_cam> of course tehere is
[03:13] <_cam> kkathman: check gnome-session-properties
[03:14] <kkathman> ok thanks
[03:14] <topyli> _cam: "on a particular desktop"
[03:14] <_cam> topyli: gnome-session saves which workspace an applications is running
[03:15] <_cam> and of course application is compatible
[03:15] <topyli> _cam: really? since 2.10 or what?
[03:15] <_cam> i had that in 2.8
[03:16] <_cam> don't remember before 2.8
[03:16] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I started an Xnest server as Xnest :1, but "DISPLAY=:1" won't let xterm connect to my Xnest server. What's being wrong?
[03:16] <topyli> _cam: i had that in 1.4 but lost it in 2.0. maybe they added it back later
[03:16] <user1> I read some where that xdmcp is not for wan
[03:16] <user1> there is protocol that is for wan ?
[03:16] <topyli> _cam: thanks for the tip, i've missed this
[03:17] <user1> or i need to use vnc?
[03:17] <_cam> topyli: no problem
[03:17] <Rudi> user1: VNC is good.
[03:17] <user1> but xdmcp can work trow wan?
[03:19] <topyli> user1: i think it does, but it's insecure
[03:19] <Chameleon22> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[03:19] <Chameleon22> what pkg do i need?
[03:20] <_cam> gcc
[03:20] <topyli> gcc :)
[03:20] <user1> I am in vpn tunnel
[03:20] <topyli> Chameleon22: install build-essential so you get most of what you need
[03:21] <Chameleon22> topyli: thanks
[03:22] <_cosmos_> ls
[03:22] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I started an Xnest server as Xnest :1, but "DISPLAY=:1" won't let xterm connect to my Xnest server. What's being wrong?
[03:22] <trygvebw> de_DustyCiti, you have to start it in non-secure mode
[03:22] <lorenzo> ciao
[03:22] <trygvebw> don't remember how, though
[03:22] <lorenzo> qualcuno pu aiutarmi?
[03:22] <lorenzo> hello
[03:22] <lorenzo> can anyone help me?
[03:23] <lorenzo> i'm using ubuntu 4.10
[03:23] <trygvebw> lorenzo, what is your problem?
[03:23] <lorenzo> but i cannot listening any multimedia files..
[03:23] <lorenzo> i would set up the sound
[03:23] <lorenzo> probably is off..
[03:23] <antoi> hello!
[03:24] <trygvebw> lorenzo, you have to install codecs :)
[03:24] <topyli> lorenzo: does it look like your players are playing the files?
[03:24] <topyli> lorenzo: i mean, is it a codec problem or a sound problem?
[03:25] <lorenzo> sound
[03:25] <jkd> anyone can help me > http://pastebin.com/281649
[03:25] <antoi> is there a way to install ubuntu from the livecd?
[03:25] <matara> lorenzo, did you check mixer settings first?
[03:25] <lorenzo> no..
[03:25] <topyli> antoi: no
[03:25] <lorenzo> i'm a newbie..
[03:25] <gm78> jkd : the ubuntu team messed up that package....im not sure when it is going to be fixed
[03:26] <trygvebw> lorenzo, have you installed the codecs?
[03:26] <dantheman> what program do i use to extract .rar files?
[03:26] <jkd> gm78, thanks
[03:26] <topyli> dantheman: unrar
[03:26] <trygvebw> dantheman, unrar or rar
[03:26] <jkd> gm78, so  I should go to gnome ?
[03:26] <lorenzo> no try...i've only installed the distro..
[03:26] <gm78> dantheman : file-roller
[03:26] <gm78> jkd : is kde still working for you right now?
[03:26] <antoi> topyli: thanks! do you happen to know of a way to 'FIXMBR' from linux?
[03:26] <matara> ok well there is a a little app mixer or some kind see if your volume is up first
[03:26] <gm78> jdk : if not then use Gnome until the package is fixed
[03:27] <trygvebw> lorenzo, ok :)
[03:27] <topyli> antoi: do you want a linux or a windows mbr?
[03:27] <jkd> gm78, no , all the menu are gone, so seems like i have to add everything to the panel on the bottom i mean
[03:27] <gm78> jkd : i'd say just leave it alone and use gnome until they fix the package
[03:27] <jkd> gm78, ty
[03:27] <antoi> topyli: windows
[03:27] <jkd> brb
[03:27] <gm78> no prob
[03:27] <topyli> antoi: no, you need a windows boot disk or install disk
[03:28] <matara> does anyone have problems mounting ntfs drives in ubunto??
[03:28] <trygvebw> no
[03:28] <matara> can get it to work
[03:28] <trygvebw> have you checked if they are in "my computer"?
[03:28] <matara> not standard so i edited the fstab
[03:28] <antoi> topyli: i was afraid that would be the case : ) i found a little utility that would do it, but only for fat32
[03:29] <matara> also added ntfs pakkages
[03:29] <matara> well they do show up in my computer now
[03:29] <trygvebw> matara, theb
[03:29] <trygvebw> *then
[03:29] <matara> but it just can't mount 5the file system
[03:29] <topyli> antoi: there's a system rescue cd that can fix almost any system: http://www.sysresccd.org/
[03:30] <trygvebw> matara, are you sure? what happens when you doubleclick on it in my computer?
[03:31] <matara> unknow file sytem type\
[03:31] <trygvebw> hm
[03:31] <matara> but i have the ntfs installed
[03:31] <topyli> antoi: sorry, that's a linux disc. this is what i mean: http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/
[03:32] <jedipottsy> is there a quick command to switch virtual desktops?
[03:32] <jedipottsy> like kde its ctrl+tab
[03:32] <Neill>  ctrl-alt left,right
[03:32] <jedipottsy> can i change it?
[03:33] <jedipottsy> to ctrl+alt+tab
[03:33] <antoi> topyli: that's pretty sweet! but i was trying to do it without burning another cd, i already got a winxp image from msdn academic
[03:33] <antoi> topyli: thanks though, that looks pretty darn useful
[03:33] <topyli> antoi: oh ok. i guess the xp disc is best if you have one. but yes, those boot cd's are pretty cool :)
[03:34] <kent> Is it ok to format the card in my digital camera with mkfs.vfat? I know it uses vfat, and I cant seem to find a way to format the card with the camera. It seems the camera is starting to behave strangly.  I can take a photo with it, but I connect the camera to the computer, none of the photos turn up on the drive :(
[03:35] <joente> quit
[03:37] <antoi> topyli: good thing i had this ubuntu cd handy. i hadn't played with it much. but now i realized that it works perfectly. even wi-fi works!
[03:37] <topyli> antoi: then you know linux works on your box. you might as well get the ubuntu install cd now :)
[03:39] <antoi> topyli: i had debian before, it took a while before everything was set up. i can't understand how wifi works without ndiswrapper though
[03:39] <topyli> antoi: the live cd has some extra magic. you'll have to fiddle with ndiswrapper with real ubuntu too
[03:40] <antoi> topyli: aaaw : )
[03:42] <Tybor> I've a debian box that I would like to upgrade to hoary... is it possible to do it by putting only ubuntu entries in /etc/apt/source ?
[03:43] <Tybor> (oh, then launching apt-get dist-upgradee of course)
[03:43] <mchasard> what will be the futur of ubuntu  ?
[03:45] <Chameleon22> how can i find a package that provides a particular lib... i dont recall the command :(
[03:45] <nevyn> what's the lib?
[03:46] <jordanau> i want to format my hard drive and do so it so that for the most part, data can't be recovered, how do i do this? Can i do it from the linux rescue CD?
[03:46] <tritium> Chameleon22, you can find a lot of things with apt-cache search <searchterm>
[03:46] <Chameleon22> search is the option i was looking for :)
[03:46] <Chameleon22> tritium: i bit you to it hehehe thanks
[03:46] <nevyn> jordanau: load the live cd and use either wipe if it's availible.. or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[03:47] <Chameleon22> nevyn: libgd.so.1... nagios needs it for statusmap.cgi
[03:47] <nevyn> Chameleon22: apt-cache search libgd
[03:47] <yonil> is there a software for editing sound ? (reverse, fast speed, echo etc.)
[03:48] <Chameleon22> nevyn: do you know if there are any other mirrors to universe since default one is rather slow
[03:48] <tritium> yonil, audacity
[03:49] <kent> Tybor, No, you need the complete ubuntu sources.list (You cant just exchange debian for ubuntu in those lines.)  I bet there is a sources.list on the ubuntu wiki or something. I remember they have a document about upgrading from debian to ubuntu.
[03:50] <tritium> Tybor, kent: There is an example sources.list on ubuntuguide.org
[03:51] <matara> anyone a working fstab for mounting ntfs drives?
[03:51] <factorx> matara: /dev/hdb1       /media/multimedia       ntfs            ro,users,auto,uid=1000,g id=1000,umask=000               0       0
[03:52] <matara> thx
[03:53] <jedipottsy> can someone name a good download manager - ie pause, stop resume etc
[03:53] <hac> jedipottsy: Aria
[03:53] <jedipottsy> apt-get aria?
[03:53] <Tybor> kent and tritium.... I've found a real ubuntu sources... 10x anyway... then da dist upgrade shall be enough, isn't it?
[03:53] <moreno> jedipottsy : apt-get install aria
[03:53] <jedipottsy> yeah, got it
[03:54] <jedipottsy> thnx
[03:55] <gorby> Guys i have a v weird cups problem, i have a hp deskjet 3845 it was working fine for 3 months and now everything still works fine but nothing comes out on the paper!
[03:55] <tritium> Tybor, you might search the wiki for upgrading from debian.  I've seen a page there before that disusses it.
[03:55] <jedipottsy> whats the thing to refresh menus? killall gnome-menu ?
[03:55] <moreno> Can I extract ".ace"  on ubuntu?
[03:56] <holycow> gorby, buy a new ink cartridge
[03:56] <holycow> -_-
[03:56] <Tybor> tritium: 10x
[03:56] <gorby> :), yeah i woulda said that apart from it works fine in winblows
[03:56] <jedipottsy> killall gnome-panel?
[03:56] <CarlK> gorby - wet a paper towl
[03:56] <tritium> Tybor, what does that mean?
[03:56] <CarlK> gorby - and set the ink cart head on it for 20 min
[03:56] <CarlK> make sure ink starts bleeding into it
[03:57] <CarlK> you may have to rub a bit
[03:57] <gorby> Carl, appreciated but without it works on other pc's!
[03:57] <CarlK> oh... nm that.
[03:57] <jedipottsy> moreno, ok, where does aria get installed to? its not on the internet list
[03:57] <gorby> no cups errors in var/log/cups
[03:58] <user1> hi all
[03:58] <user1> can I Load vnc in the first screen gnome manager?
[03:58] <gorby> this is my grannys box, it hadnot been upgraded since December
[03:58] <moreno> Run application: aria | or open a terminal and write aria
[03:58] <jedipottsy> thnx
[03:58] <gorby> i though it might be that, but after updateing every modeule etc problem is still same
[03:58] <Tybor> tritium: 10x = Thanks
[03:59] <gorby> Is there any other place i could look for errors?
[03:59] <antoi> does livecd lack the codecs to play mp3s, mpegs etc. ?
[03:59] <webmind> 10x = 10 times
[03:59] <tritium> Tybor, oh, okay ;)
[04:00] <antoi> or is something wrong with playing stuff from ntfs
[04:01] <gorby> antoni: i havenet used it but its probably an engine problem...
[04:01] <larsrohdin> if i want a program to start at startup, a put it in the .xsession file right? Im on fluxbox... and if it doesn't work what then?
[04:01] <gorby> something wrong with Arts Gstreamer something like that
[04:02] <antoi> gorby: synaptic says the gstreamer codecs are installed, but i keep getting 'no suitable codec' errors
[04:02] <larsrohdin> the .xsession-errors gave me the error Failed to load groupfile: BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x23, depth 24
[04:03] <jedipottsy> how come stones runs a little....slow?
[04:03] <clausme> hello
[04:03] <tritium> antoi, no, the LiveCD should not have an mp3 decoder.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for some of the reasons why.
[04:03] <clausme> how do i run gcc compiler
[04:03] <clausme> make comand isn't working
[04:03] <tritium> clausme, install build-essential
[04:03] <clausme> i have instaled ubuntu linux
[04:04] <clausme> taht command isn-t working
[04:05] <tritium> clausme, which command?  You need to install build-essential
[04:05] <clausme> from where
[04:05] <clausme> and how
[04:05] <tritium> clausme, you can use synaptic, or aptitude, or apt-get (e.g. sudo aptitude install build-essential)
[04:06] <tritium> Just make sure you "sudo aptitude update" first, clausme
[04:09] <clausme> when y gave de synaptic command a window apeard what do i chose from there ?
[04:09] <tritium> build-essential
[04:12] <PuGz> giftui doesnt work in ubuntu even after using gconftool to fix the recognised bug on their site!: "** (giftui:11995): CRITICAL **: str_to_color: assertion `str != NULL' failed"
[04:14] <anraid> hey, is anybody here?
[04:14] <jeroen_> uh, yeah
[04:14] <ayvmaat> yeah
[04:14] <pussfeller> hey, what is NAS support mean when I am compiling something
[04:14] <trygvebw> anraid, yes
[04:14] <pussfeller> a gnome app
[04:14] <ayvmaat> .
[04:14] <anraid> hi folks! I am 1st time on Linux, checking out the stuff.
[04:15] <pussfeller> im thinking NAS is some sort of language locale thingee
[04:15] <evarlast> pussfeller: NAS is Network Audio System - you probably don't need it.
[04:15] <ayvmaat> -
[04:15] <trygvebw> anraid, good :)
[04:15] <evarlast> pussfeller: it is an old audio protocol for sending sound to network X terminals
[04:15] <pussfeller> evarlast, im compiling phonegaim fro the linspire sources
[04:15] <trygvebw> anraid, you like it?
[04:16] <tut> I just installed Hoary (x86). Does GRUB support booting on LVM2? Or must I continue using LILO, or a non-LVM /boot for GRUB?
[04:16] <anraid> well, looks interesting, definitely will install on my second PC
[04:16] <trygvebw> afaik, GRUB supports booting on LVM
[04:16] <trygvebw> anraid, ah :)
[04:16] <trygvebw> tut, Fedora is installing LVM as default, and they're using GRUB
[04:17] <tut> trygvebw: Really? Google doesn't provide a clear answer about this.
[04:17] <trygvebw> tut, well, if Fedora does it it must be possible :)
[04:18] <anraid> how long have you been using it?
[04:18] <evarlast> ~10 years here.
[04:19] <tut> trygvebw: I guess I'll try then. Partman refused to let me use GRUB with all partitions on LVM during installation, so I assumed GRUB still didn't support LVM properly.
[04:20] <anraid> evarlast, wow, looks like older than yahoo
[04:20] <trygvebw> tut, ok :)
[04:21] <tut> trygvebw: If Fedora does it, it must suck (kind of) =)
[04:21] <anraid> ok people, thaks for the company, have a good day!
[04:21] <nmoutana> prout
[04:22] <trygvebw> tut, :P
[04:22] <socheat> i just did a fresh install of 5.04 on a raid5 setup.  now, when i try to run lilo, i get this error:  Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[04:22] <socheat>     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hde2'
[04:22] <socheat> Fatal: is_primary:  Not a valid device  0xFD03
[04:22] <socheat>   Can anyone help?
[04:23] <g14> Yeah! I finally figured out how to get redhat bluecurve icons on ubuntu... 5 minutes before I found the forum post on how to do it
[04:25] <tekkah> boo to RH bluecurve
[04:25] <g14> Clearlooks is the best window theme, but bluecurve is the best linux icon theme
[04:25] <g14> Unless you like crystal and everything to be shiny
[04:25] <Nalioth> g14 isnt that how it always works?
[04:26] <g14> yes :)
[04:26] <Nalioth> g14 what r bluecurve icons?
[04:26] <g14> Nalioth, Just a second and I'll take a screenshot for you, ok
[04:27] <Nalioth> g14 hint hint forum/link
[04:27] <clausme> i have only one hard dish and when i gave the sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222 it returned mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[04:27] <clausme> clausme the linux is instaled on the same drive
[04:28] <clausme> i have only one hard dish and when i gave the sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222 it returned mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[04:28] <clausme> clausme the linux is instaled on the same drive
[04:31] <g14> Nalioth, http://www.digitalprognosis.com/pics/Screenshot.png
[04:31] <mac_bobby> hallo an alle
[04:31] <g0r8y> i know it sounds silly, but the carts are fine there are no cups erros it has just stoped putting the ink there!
[04:31] <mac_bobby> mal eine frage. wenn ich in meinem home-VZ eine Source kompiliere, ist das VZ dort dann automatisch das VZ, aus dem das Programm startet und arbeitet?
[04:31] <mac_bobby> sry, wring chan
[04:31] <mac_bobby> wrong
[04:31] <matara> youre sure it is installed on hda1 not on hda2 for example
[04:31] <mypapit> hmm i like ubuntu to include nmap..
[04:32] <g14> mac_bobby, #ubuntu-de
[04:32] <g14> mypapit, thats the very first thing I grab after I install a clean ubuntu install
[04:32] <chrissturm> is there already a patched firefox for hoary?
[04:32] <Funraiser> what's nmpa?
[04:33] <Funraiser> nmap
[04:33] <trygvebw> chrissturm, the version in Hoary is patched.
[04:33] <Nalioth> Funraiser, its a network detection program
[04:33] <g14> A portscanner
[04:33] <mypapit> Funraiser: nmap - is a free open source utility for network exploration or security auditing.
[04:33] <Nalioth> g14 so may i use your hard earned knowledge? where to get those wondrous icons?
[04:35] <g14> Nalioth, Download this http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/i386/Fedora/RPMS/redhat-artwork-0.122-6.i386.rpm
[04:35] <g14> Nalioth, convert the rpm to deb with alien. And then install the deb with dpkg -i
[04:36] <g14> Nalioth, I am going to take the icons only and convert them into a deb. Then I'm going to try to get those icons included in ubuntu
[04:36] <g14> Nalioth, Clearlooks is the best window theme (Based on bluecurve) but bluecurve still has the best icons
[04:36] <Nalioth> g14 i see a problem....
[04:36] <g14> Nalioth, Whats that?
[04:37] <Nalioth> i'm not i386
[04:37] <g14> PPC?
[04:37] <Nalioth> yessir
[04:37] <dataw0lf|w> what's wrong with X.org and refresh rates with Ubuntu?
[04:37] <Nalioth> i don't have any x86 boxen
[04:37] <g14> Nalioth, http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/
[04:38] <Funraiser> nmpa installed!
[04:38] <Funraiser> nmap
[04:38] <g14> Nalioth, Choose your arch and download the redhat-artwork rpm. FF find is magical
[04:38] <snugglebunny> dataw0lf, xorg.conf doesn't have Horiz and Vert set by default. You need to add them yourself
[04:38] <g14> Funraiser, do sudo nmap -sV -O localhost to see what is on your computer
[04:39] <johnnybezak> hey guys, non-ubuntu specific q. im looking into getting a couple of years old 12" laptop (no cd or floppy builtin) any of you guys got a recommendation?
[04:39] <dataw0lf|w> snugglebunny: Yeah, no kidding.
[04:39] <dataw0lf|w> snugglebunny: and anytime I add them, whether the specs provided by the monitor, or just higher ones, it breaks.
[04:40] <MetallicB> Yooooooooooooo anny pirate can help me to screw up my ATI drivers?
[04:40] <pshend> hi all. is there anybody here who knows their way around zope?
[04:41] <g14> pshend, try #zope
[04:41] <pshend> g14, is it on this server/
[04:41] <pshend> ?
[04:41] <snugglebunny> dataw0lf, that's odd
[04:41] <g14> pshend, yes
[04:41] <pshend> g14, thanks
[04:41] <Nalioth> g14 i use the old kludgy "galeon find"
[04:42] <g14> Nalioth, The best way to fix that is dpkg -e galeon && apt-get install firefox :)
[04:43] <Nalioth> g14 i have firefox
[04:43] <qu0te> where do I get codecs for video playback?
[04:43] <dna`> hi
[04:43] <Nalioth> g14 it sucks more CPU then it should (just like on my OSX)
[04:43] <dna`> su - doesn't work on ubuntu?
[04:43] <elcu> qu0te: w32codecs
[04:43] <g14> dna: sudo -s
[04:43] <qu0te> thanks
[04:43] <tritium> dna`, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:44] <dna`> thanks :), any idea where grub.conf is located?
[04:44] <tritium> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:44] <g14> Nalioth, Yeah the mozilla guys need to do more profiling before they do releases
[04:44] <pshend> i've got an apt related prob too :S - this is the error from apt-get -f install http://pastebin.ca/11309
[04:44] <dna`> tritium,  heh thanks, strange location :P
[04:44] <tritium> dna`, are you coming from a non-debian distro?
[04:44] <mypapit> anyhow, salute to ubuntu team for making a friendly distro for begineers
[04:45] <qu0te> where do I get the codecs from?
[04:45] <elcu> qu0te: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:45] <tritium> qu0te, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:45] <dna`> tritium, i used debian 3 years ago, I was using gentoo, slackware, fedora before i came here ;)
[04:45] <tritium> dna`, okay.  It's the same location that debian uses.
[04:45] <dna`> okay thanks tritium
[04:46] <tritium> sure
[04:46] <mypapit> dna`: thought fedora and gentoo grub configuration files on the same location as ubuntu
[04:46] <bretzel> speaking of codecs: I am really tired of totem... it can't play mpg, avi etc... needs its special codecs I guess... but it is spread all over about mime-type/default player in gnome! I use xine/gxine and no probs since....
[04:47] <dataw0lf|w> god, this refresh is killing my eyes.
[04:47] <evarlast> bretzel: on 5.04?
[04:47] <qu0te> thanks
[04:47] <tritium> bretzel, you're probably using totem-gstreamer.  perhaps try totem-xine
[04:47] <chrissturm> bretzel: install gstreamer-ffmpeg
[04:47] <f> or remove totem and use gxine & mplayer only >D
[04:48] <dna`> mypapit, no, they are in /boot/grub/grub.conf
[04:48] <bretzel> everlast, tritium: yes of course, but I don't know why I prefer xine which I get used with for months now :-)
[04:48] <chrissturm> gstreamer-0.8-ffmpeg
[04:48] <rj_> Could not start Tomcat 5.0 servlet engine because no Java Development Kit
[04:48] <chrissturm> bretzel: then totem plays them all
[04:48] <bretzel> btw: That is funny ( not so far tho) : Can't hdparm my DVD player...
[04:48] <rj_> Could not start Tomcat 5.0 servlet engine because no Java Development Kit
[04:49] <tritium> rj_, please don't repeat like that so frequently
[04:49] <rj_> anyone know the ubuntu package gnome for jdk?
[04:49] <rj_> tritium: didnt mean to sorry :(
[04:49] <tritium> rj_, Method 3 (java-package): http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[04:49] <mypapit> rj_: hmm.. java development kit arent available free (as in freedom), so i guess you have to grab it manually from java.sun.com
[04:50] <bretzel> rj_: A ubuntu pkg is about to be done I read yesterday :-)
[04:50] <rj_> mypapit: ah - thanks.
[04:50] <tritium> yes, grab the installer (not the rpm) from sun, and use java-package to build your own .deb
[04:50] <rj_> bretzel: really?
[04:50] <difeta> whenever i try to start alsa I'm told.. Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'.  any ideas?
[04:50] <bretzel> tritium, chrissturm,: That will not break my actuall xine installation ?
[04:50] <tritium> bretzel, how's that?  Sun has not changed their licensing.
[04:51] <bretzel> shhht! -- I guess it will not be standard but restricted I guess
[04:51] <tritium> bretzel, what source did you read this on?
[04:53] <f> how long will it be before breezy is stable enough to use?
[04:53] <dcraven> lol
[04:53] <jeroen_> f: 5 months ;)
[04:53] <f> >P
[04:53] <rj_> :(
[04:53] <rj_> ok - i'll do it.
[04:53] <f> not THAT stable :D
[04:53] <dcraven> rj_: That'll make a nice wiki page.. Then we can ALL write it. :)
[04:54] <dataw0lf|w> does anybody here know what they're talking about? Honestly.
[04:54] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: I don't.
[04:54] <ayvmaat_> l
[04:54] <rj_> dataw0lf: nope
[04:54] <dataw0lf|w> I didn't think so.
[04:54] <dcraven> Duh?
[04:54] <bretzel> tritrum: unfortunately, I don't remeber the guy... He was telling that they are trying to build that for ubuntu
[04:54] <mypapit> rj_: i use tomcat most of the time...
[04:54] <tritium> dataw0lf, ?
[04:54] <dataw0lf|w> This x.org problem is really killing my eyes.
[04:54] <nevyn> dataw0lf|w: this is the internet of course nobody knows what they're talking about.
[04:54] <dcraven> haha
[04:54] <dna`> what's tomcat?
[04:55] <ayvmaat_> l
[04:55] <rj_> the devel (tm)
[04:55] <tritium> bretzel, I think he was pulling your leg.  It won't be in any official repositories.
[04:55] <rj_> er devil^
[04:55] <Tomcat_> dna`: A Java application server
[04:55] <dna`> ah
[04:55] <dna`> :P
[04:55] <dataw0lf|w> tritium: just a problem with the noobness of the Ubuntu community.  I love you guys, but getting any sort of 'advanced' help is impossible.
[04:55] <Funraiser> on startup if have the choice between 5 Ubuntus (2 wartys + safemode) + 1 hoary and safe mode + windows XP and the memtest. Can i just erase the everything in the menu.Lst of /boot/grub and just leave hoary + safemode, XP and memtest?
[04:55] <jeroen_> bretzel, maybe in backports?
[04:55] <tritium> dataw0lf, that's not true.  There are many of us here to help you.
[04:56] <elcu> Funraiser: yes, but why not just comment them out
[04:56] <tritium> Many old debian users, and long-time linux users.
[04:56] <bretzel> tritium: I prefer to beleive you, he was telling that jdk and jre installation with scripts to setup ENV such CLASSPATH etc... to be autosetup
[04:56] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: You should flex your knowledge and help too!
[04:56] <dataw0lf|w> tritium: Ok, I change the vert and horizon refresh/sync rates is x.org, and it breaks.
[04:56] <Funraiser> elcu, how?
[04:56] <dataw0lf|w> dcraven: I do help.  All day, on the ubuntu forums, as a moderator.
[04:56] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: Nice job :)
[04:56] <tritium> bretzel, ah, well he might have been referring to java-package
[04:56] <elcu> Funraiser: IIRC, use '#' characters
[04:57] <elcu> Funraiser: and then bring the default one you want to boot to up to the top (assuming default is set to 0)
[04:57] <evarlast>  dataw0lf|w does your monitor actually support those rates?
[04:57] <tritium> dataw0lf, have you checked for the cause in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:57] <cappe> there seems to be problems with the backports-server 500 Internal Server Error it sais when I am trying to update my system...
[04:57] <elcu> Funraiser: this is all done in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:57] <mypapit> nah.. personally i think sun's java is going down.... they are making incompatible changes on every minor release all the time
[04:57] <bretzel> tritium: And what java-package contains ? ( the free java stuff I guess )
[04:57] <jeroen_> cappe, confirmed
[04:57] <dna`> where can i find a list of repositories?
[04:57] <dataw0lf|w> evarlast: yes.
[04:58] <tritium> bretzel, it takes Sun's installer, and builds a .deb from it
[04:58] <tritium> bretzel, "apt-cache show java-package" to see the details ;)
[04:58] <Funraiser> elcu, ok, but what's IIRC?
[04:58] <rj_> tritium: java-package dosnt exist in hoary?
[04:58] <dataw0lf|w> evarlast: my monitor: http://www.monitorgalaxy.com/catalog/2867.cfm
[04:58] <tritium> rj_, it does, it multiverse
[04:58] <elcu> Funraiser: IIRC = if i recall correctly :-)
[04:59] <Funraiser> oh
[04:59] <Funraiser> :-)
[04:59] <bretzel> tritium: and isn;t the final result is install the sun java anyway ? - I don;t understand ...
[04:59] <dataw0lf|w> Yet anything higher than H: 48 and V: 60 and I get incredible screen shake.
[04:59] <mypapit> java-package only helps to convert sun's Java SDK installer to *.deb package, it doesnot containt the Java SDK by itself
[04:59] <elcu> dna`: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:59] <dataw0lf|w> if I set it to the monitor specs, x won't even start.
[04:59] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: download bsdgames there is a prog. called wtf
[04:59] <tritium> mypapit, that's right
[04:59] <cappe> when will the backports-server(s) be working again do you think?
[04:59] <dna`> I thank thee elcu
[04:59] <rj_> tritium: thanks :)
[04:59] <johnnybezak> itll tell you what all these stupid acronyms stand for :)
[05:00] <evarlast> dataw0lf|w: what res do you run?
[05:00] <elcu> johnnybezak: i need that myself sometimes (hangs around with weird people who use &c for etc.)
[05:00] <johnnybezak> elcu: not a bad one :)
[05:00] <tritium> bretzel, you can use java-package with other runtime environments and development kits.  Please "apt-cache show java-package" for more details.
[05:00] <Funraiser> called what the fuck?
[05:00] <rj_> If i force a package to install via dpkg --ignore-depends=package -i packge.deb, whenever i run apt-get it will want to remove the package i forced to install, how can i fix this?
[05:00] <evarlast> dataw0lf|w: try:  HorizSync 28-95 & VertRefresh 43-180
[05:01] <dataw0lf|w> evarlast: right now? 1280 x 768, but my monitor supports much higher.
[05:01] <tritium> cappe, they're not official repositories, so we don't follow what happens to them
[05:01] <dataw0lf|w> evarlast: I've tried just about every combination, but I'll try that.
[05:01] <bretzel> tritium: I just did the apt-cache: it seems cool.
[05:01] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: do a sudo apt-get install bsdgames
[05:01] <cappe> tritium, ok i see.
[05:01] <johnnybezak> itll install it for you
[05:01] <dataw0lf|w> it's pretty annoying when these same monitors are used for photogrammetry and ortho rectification on Tru64 machines running CDE and they work fine, and Ubuntu can't do it.
[05:01] <elcu> johnnybezak: how big?
[05:01] <johnnybezak> your acronym problem days are over
[05:02] <bretzel> .. especially for java 1.5 :-)
[05:02] <dataw0lf|w> bbiam
[05:02] <johnnybezak> elcu: Size: 1047724
[05:02] <johnnybezak> what ever that means haha
[05:02] <Funraiser> lol
[05:02] <johnnybezak> hold on
[05:02] <elcu> johnnybezak: hehe, ~1mb
[05:03] <johnnybezak> yeah hehe
[05:03] <bretzel> I searching for Riddell, I heard that he as managed to use Subversion with Kdevelop ...
[05:03] <johnnybezak> theres some funny stuff in there its old school to the max
[05:03] <tritium> johnnybezak, you might like the -h switch with ls, df, dh, and others...
[05:03] <johnnybezak> @tritium: yeah i got that from apt-cache show
[05:04] <tritium> johnnybezak, ok :)
[05:04] <johnnybezak> @tritium: not sure if that has a -h switch
[05:04] <jamesio> hello everyone
[05:04] <johnnybezak> *switches terminal tabs to check*
[05:04] <jiyuu0> not sure whether just now this message showed up or not... bad line here... anyway
[05:04] <jiyuu0> fresh from oven
[05:04] <jiyuu0> just uploaded the latest offline Add-On CD
[05:04] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[05:04] <jiyuu0> snapshots: 8th May 2005
[05:04] <johnnybezak> hey there
[05:04] <johnnybezak> hehe nope
[05:04] <tritium> johnnybezak, it does, but for help
[05:04] <johnnybezak> -h is help
[05:04] <johnnybezak> haha
[05:04] <dataw0lf|w> surprise surprise.  Didn't work.  The screen horizontal shake was unbearable.
[05:05] <johnnybezak> x problems are the worst
[05:05] <johnnybezak> after network problems
[05:05] <dataw0lf|w> network problems are easy.
[05:05] <dataw0lf|w> They're.... duh duh duh... logical.
[05:05] <dataw0lf|w> and usually X is easy too.
[05:05] <johnnybezak> haha sometimes they are
[05:05] <dataw0lf|w> but, you know, to fix something, it has to work like it's supposed to.
[05:05] <johnnybezak> i remember trying to get dsl work on gentoo one day *holy sh1t*
[05:06] <Funraiser> wtf is nice
[05:06] <johnnybezak> Funraiser: haha its good hey
[05:06] <Funraiser> love it
[05:07] <dataw0lf|w> since I've tried everything logical, I guess I'll just try a bunch of illogical crap.
[05:07] <dna`> isn't there a guide to install ATI drivers?:(
[05:07] <dataw0lf|w> Like, installing xfce4.
[05:07] <rj_> 
[05:07] <johnnybezak> a bit of love from bsd
[05:07] <Funraiser> wtf is wtf?
[05:07] <rj_> what the fuck
[05:07] <rj_> ^
[05:07] <dna`> haha
[05:07] <Funraiser> try that in wtf
[05:07] <elcu> dna`: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryHowTo IIRC
[05:08] <guupsta> :D
[05:08] <Funraiser> actually the answer is  {what,where,who,why} the fuck
[05:08] <evarlast> dataw0lf|w: what kind of card and which xorg driver?
[05:08] <elcu> Funraiser: does it have "QOOC"?
[05:09] <Funraiser> it says Gee...  I don't know what QOOC means...
[05:09] <elcu> someone used that on me once
[05:10] <elcu> i responded with a wtf
[05:10] <elcu> :-)
[05:10] <Funraiser> not sure i should ask u what that means :-/
[05:10] <warty> hallo
[05:10] <elcu> i'll see if someone can guess it
[05:10] <warty> ey
[05:10] <jamesio> you guys got any suggestions on the best way to use 6 hard drives without resorting to raid?  I'd prefer to possibly use 3 and set up a script to rsync them to the other 3
[05:10] <warty> linux is cool
[05:11] <evarlast> jamesio: rsync-backup - see google.
[05:12] <jamesio> the rsync issue isn't really what I'm asking about
[05:12] <jamesio> I was just curious if anyone has used multiple drives in a machine without using raid, and if so, how'd you utilize them?
[05:12] <usynic> jamesio: why the hate of raid?
[05:12] <elcu> Funraiser: guess no one knows... QOOC = quote out of context
[05:12] <Funraiser> not bad
[05:13] <bretzel> thanx tritium, have a good day all :-)
[05:13] <tritium> bretzel, you too :)
[05:13] <elcu> bretzel: night
[05:13] <Funraiser> elcu, even googlism doesn't know that...
[05:14] <jamesio> usynic, I'm not a linux person and I'd like to start out simple.  if the system were to crash, I'd have a much easier time recovering from a single hd failure than a raid dying.
[05:14] <jamesio> the system is a celeron 2.4, 1 gig, 80 gig boot, 6x160 internal drives, 7x300g external usb2 drives...
[05:14] <usynic> jamesio: hrmm, perhaps you're missing the point of raid
[05:14] <veruus> JBOD
[05:15] <veruus> :)
[05:15] <jamesio> I understand the point of raid.  But, I don't have experience with raid in a linux environment
[05:15] <evarlast> jamesio: if you use RAID5 then there wouldn't be any recovery necessary - just replace the bad drive, and run a "new drive" command
[05:15] <dna`> elcu, nope, nothing found there :/
[05:15] <usynic> I believe hoary even has software raid setup support in the installer
[05:15] <veruus> jamesio: LVM is what you would use if you want the OS to control everthing
[05:16] <elcu> dna`: apologies, correct link: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:16] <veruus> are the disks going to be attached w/ USB?
[05:16] <usynic> jamesio: but, if you really don't want to use raid, rsync would work fine.
[05:16] <jamesio> the external ones are usb2
[05:16] <jamesio> or they could be firewire
[05:16] <dna`> thanks :D
[05:16] <veruus> sounds messy
[05:17] <jamesio> hehe
[05:17] <veruus> it could be more trouble than you want to deal with
[05:17] <veruus> especially if the disks detach at any point and they get new mounting assignments
[05:17] <jamesio> in windows, I had all the drives as individuals and shared out a few of them for various things: music, pics, etc
[05:17] <evarlast> jamesio: otherwise just install to boot drive like you said, and mount each drive.  you oculd even mount them to /<letter> to be like windows... /d /e /f /g /h /i /j /k /l /m
[05:17] <veruus> I think you can use udev to identify them though
[05:17] <veruus> or is it hotplug...
[05:17] <Funraiser> samba is installed by default on hoary?
[05:18] <evarlast> jamesio: each about 5% full eh?
[05:18] <jamesio> and those were copied via robocopy to the other drives for safe keeping
[05:18] <jamesio> hahahaha
[05:18] <jamesio> yeah, it was something like 40% full
[05:18] <usynic> Funraiser: I think the client part is... not the server
[05:18] <jamesio> and that's not mentioning that my main system has 3x400 gig in it
[05:19] <evarlast> jamesio: so mail me some drives?  I only have 60G
[05:20] <jamesio> my wife and I shoot a lot of video of the kids, dogs, family... and I keep it all online
[05:20] <jamesio> evarlast, that's funny.  I just mailed a friend 3 100 gig drives because I wasn't using them anymore
[05:20] <jamesio> he was complaining that he only had 80 gigs
[05:21] <jamesio> he doesn't know I sent them
[05:21] <jamesio> I'm trying my best to move my life over to linux and ubuntu is the first distro that I've felt was "close to windows without being windows"
[05:21] <admx> Where can I download the latest version on gaim for ubuntu? Using version 1.1.4, however the latest  is 1.2.1
[05:22] <BoD_SWAT> Hi all
[05:22] <jamesio> howdy
[05:22] <jeroen_> admx: You'll need backports
[05:22] <jeroen_> howdy
[05:22] <jamesio> isn't backports down right now?
[05:22] <jeroen_> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:22] <Kamping_in_doze> lol. please dont use breezy yet
[05:22] <jeroen_> yes, it's down right now
[05:23] <admx> backports? I have heard of them, what are they, where can I locate?
[05:23] <Funraiser> i just mounted my windows partition, can i just copy a file from my home/me in a windows folder from here?
[05:23] <admx> thz
[05:23] <dataw0lf|w> backports will be back up momentarily.
[05:24] <elcu> admx: http://ubuntuguide.org/#backportsrepositories  you could alternatively install from source if you're comfortable with that.
[05:24] <BoD_SWAT> When I start Gnome it auto-starts evolution (I dont want that, I even havent configured evolution yet). 1. How can I change the programs that are started @ Gnome start up? (2. and how can I change the access rights to them?)
[05:24] <hypa7ia> Funraiser: in all likelyhood, yes
[05:24] <Funraiser> really?
[05:24] <BoD_SWAT> Funraiser, yes
[05:24] <admx> thanks again
[05:24] <Funraiser> f#*$ awesome
[05:24] <hypa7ia> BoD_SWAT: you probably have your session saved
[05:24] <Kamping_in_doze> funraiser. only if its fat32
[05:24] <BoD_SWAT> Funraiser, which filesystem?
[05:24] <Funraiser> NTFS
[05:24] <hypa7ia> should still be able to /read/ it
[05:24] <apokryphos> are the breezy repos usable?
[05:25] <hypa7ia> just not write it
[05:25] <Kamping_in_doze> funraiser. you can read it, but write with EXTREME DANGER
[05:25] <BoD_SWAT> Funraiser, NTFS is read-only. Write = experimental
[05:25] <Funraiser> :-/
[05:25] <Funraiser> k
[05:25] <BoD_SWAT> Funraiser, better alternative: Boot Windows and read the linux-partition
[05:25] <Kamping_in_doze> i have that problem.
[05:25] <Kamping_in_doze> i have to change 300GB of ntfs to ext3
[05:25] <BoD_SWAT> impossible if you want to keep data
[05:26] <nevyn> hrm...
[05:26] <BoD_SWAT> then you need to save 300GB somewhere else
[05:26] <jamesio> kamping, hope you have another 300 gig drive available
[05:26] <BoD_SWAT> and then format the entire HD
[05:26] <nevyn> impossible if you want to keep metadata certainly.
[05:26] <BoD_SWAT> hypa7ia, how can I un-save it? :P
[05:26] <elcu> BoD_SWAT: close evolution, then log out and check "save current setup".  log back in and it should be gone.  IIRC, there's a menu entry where you can edit stuff.  i've forgotten it though.
[05:26] <Kamping_in_doze> make partition, move data, delete ntfs, make new ext3 part, copy data :(
[05:26] <Kamping_in_doze> hence being in doze
[05:26] <hypa7ia> BoD_SWAT: it's somewhere in the logout menu, iirc
[05:27] <jamesio> kamping, I'm doing the same thing... but I'm moving about 1.5t
[05:27] <hypa7ia> i alas don't have an ubu box to figure it out on :-/
[05:27] <Kamping_in_doze> :/ ouch jamesio
[05:27] <Kamping_in_doze> and no, i dont have a 300GB hdd :I
[05:27] <BoD_SWAT> hypa7ia, I know that (thats for saving), but how can I delete the session?
[05:27] <elcu> BoD_SWAT: system -> prefs -> sessions
[05:27] <jamesio> yeah, it's not fun, but I hope once I get it all done and set up samba, my server will run for more than a week without crashing
[05:27] <elcu> -> startup progs
[05:28] <hypa7ia> BoD_SWAT: if you turn off saving it should fix it
[05:28] <Kamping_in_doze> my problem is i no loger use doze, so ntfs is a pain in the A
[05:28] <jamesio> kamping, I have an idea for you... but I hope you have a lot of time and partition magic
[05:28] <BoD_SWAT> I only saved it like... one time only
[05:28] <Kamping_in_doze> its what im using.
[05:28] <Kamping_in_doze> ITS HORRIBLE
[05:28] <BoD_SWAT> hypa7ia, but Ill try it :D
[05:29] <Kamping_in_doze> partition magic rocks, but for what im using it for, bleh
[05:29] <hypa7ia> BoD_SWAT: cool
[05:29] <BoD_SWAT> Kamping_in_doze, then you have a big problem
[05:29] <BoD_SWAT> Im off (reboot)
[05:29] <mindmedic> Kamping_in_doze, careful, partition magic doesn't like all filesystems :)
[05:29] <BoD_SWAT> indeed
[05:29] <Kamping_in_doze> it takes anything up to 10 hour to move 50mb
[05:29] <mindmedic> ruined my mbr twice
[05:29] <jamesio> kamping, you could "see saw" the data
[05:30] <Kamping_in_doze> mindmedic. i cant access any of my existing ext3, only what i create with it, because i have *one* error on them
[05:30] <jamesio> I've done it before.  just resize the main partition down to it's lowest size and then create a new ext3, copy as much data as possible, then resize again
[05:30] <Kamping_in_doze> so it wont touch them
[05:30] <jamesio> it just takes forever on a lot of data
[05:31] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[05:31] <Kamping_in_doze> and its rediculously cpu intencive. damb x86 architecture
[05:32] <jamesio> that's why my main machine is a dual amd.  I hate having my system freeze for simple tasks
[05:32] <Funraiser> i tried partition magic on windows to move data from ubuntu but it can't even list my partition table :-/
[05:32] <tbasten> whats the difference between hoary and breezy\
[05:32] <Kamping_in_doze> mines a p4, so 1.5 cpus
[05:33] <tritium> tbasten, hoary is the current stable release.  breezy is in development
[05:33] <Kamping_in_doze> funraiser. thats a problem. it means you have to remove partitions with doze partioining, then use part magic
[05:33] <tbasten> tritium, so brezzy is unstable. like debians sid?
[05:33] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[05:34] <tritium> tbasten, yes, especially right now
[05:34] <Kamping_in_doze> sarge is frozen :):O
[05:34] <Fator_Dee> so is hell
[05:34] <tbasten> kool. Well i am updating my system to breeze now :)
[05:34] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[05:34] <tbasten> so how much it stuffs my system up
[05:35] <tbasten> so = see
[05:35] <hypa7ia> wasn't sarge frozen in the fall too?
[05:36] <dna`> any idea if there is a driver for mouse: logitech mx 500?
[05:37] <Funraiser> i want to install linux on my mum's desktop but I can't ask her to switch to gnucash..someone knows if MS money works with crossover?
[05:37] <tbasten> emulate
[05:37] <usynic> anyone use mplayer-plugin?
[05:37] <usynic> Funraiser: I'm sure it does
[05:37] <Kamping_in_doze> night ppl
[05:38] <admx> Thanks alot for the info on backports. It was very helpful. Goes to show you learn something new every day. Thanks Again...
[05:38] <Kamping_in_doze> my PQ sesion done for tonight
[05:38] <tbasten> admx, what you learn?
[05:38] <elcu> Funraiser: look up PQ in wtf for me. :-)
[05:38] <tbasten> dataw0lf, lol
[05:38] <usynic> Funraiser: http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=money&company=&medal=&date_start%5B1%5D=1&date_start%5B2%5D=1&date_start%5B0%5D=2000&date_start%5B3%5D=23&date_start%5B4%5D=59&date_end%5B1%5D=5&date_end%5B2%5D=9&date_end%5B0%5D=2005&date_end%5B3%5D=23&date_end%5B4%5D=59&search=app
[05:38] <tbasten> dataw0lf|w, lol
[05:38] <usynic> holy url batman
[05:38] <admx> About what backports are...
[05:39] <tbasten> yeah
[05:39] <chidalgo21> Hola a todos
[05:39] <admx> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[05:39] <chidalgo21> alguien que hable espaol ??
[05:39] <resiak> #ubuntu-es
[05:39] <dataw0lf|w> I swear, my eyes are about to start bleeding from this refresh rate, hehe.
[05:39] <kent> should seahorse create its own submenu under Program  in Gnome?  I installed it with synaptic in Hoary and it turned up in "others" (translated from the swedish word "Annat", since I use that language).  It seems strange for it to create its own submenu..
[05:39] <Funraiser> usynic, too bad
[05:40] <chidalgo21> thanks redtech
[05:40] <Funraiser> elcu, Gee...  I don't know what PQ means...
[05:40] <Funraiser> wtf speaking
[05:41] <veruus> dataw0lf: wear some sunglasses
[05:42] <grinthock> hypa7ia:  Can I run VMWare on Ubuntu?
[05:42] <hypa7ia> damn you grinthock
[05:42] <hypa7ia> :-p
[05:43] <tbasten> anyone runny
[05:43] <tbasten> running breezy*
[05:44] <admx> Yes you can run VMWare
[05:44] <admx> I do at home
[05:45] <tbasten> is it any good?
[05:45] <admx> Make sure you install linux-headers
[05:45] <metalsand> can someone please say metalsand
[05:46] <tbasten> metalsand,
[05:46] <metalsand> ty
[05:46] <tbasten> np
[05:47] <tbasten> Bahaha. the topic of this room says not to use breezy :(
[05:47] <veruus> channel
[05:47] <veruus> :)
[05:47] <tbasten> yeah
[05:47] <metalsand> IS there any themeing stuff in the reposotries?
[05:47] <tritium> tbasten, I wouldn't advise it quite yet
[05:48] <tbasten> if i install breezy. can i revert back to hoary
[05:48] <elcu> are there mirrors for the repositories?
[05:48] <elcu> *aus
[05:48] <tritium> metalsand, not sure what you mean, but apt-cache search for it
[05:48] <Amaranth> tbasten: Not easily.
[05:48] <Amaranth> tbasten: The easiest way to downgrade would be a complete reinstall.
[05:48] <metalsand> tritium: stuff from art.gnome.com , login managers, splash screens, desktop themes
[05:48] <thoreauputic> metalsand: sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-extras
[05:48] <Amaranth> metalsand: gnome-art is in breezy
[05:48] <metalsand> art.gnome.ort*
[05:49] <metalsand> Cool :)
[05:49] <Amaranth> metalsand: it's a ruby/gtk frontend for browsing, downloading, and installing things from art.gnome.org
[05:50] <larsrohdin> how i can bind the "special keys" on my keyboard to different functions? im using a logitech ultra x Flat...
[05:50] <metalsand> Is anyone peticularly familar with Wireless NICs/Prism 2.5 chipset cards and how they function? I've been trying to get mine configured for days
[05:50] <elcu> larsrohdin: if you're using gnome, there's a keyboard shortcuts entry in the system menu
[05:51] <veruus> metalsand: integrated wireless?
[05:52] <elcu> lamont: no guarantee they'll all work though, but IIRC there was a post in ubuntuforums.org about getting k/board keys to work.
[05:52] <Amaranth> heh, you can make the system lock the screen and not let you do anything with the computer for a set ammount of time
[05:52] <Amaranth> to force you to take a break
[05:53] <tbasten> breezy will work though wont it?
[05:53] <elcu> whoops, my last post was meant for larsrohdin .
[05:54] <Amaranth> tbasten: sometimes
[05:54] <tbasten> ?
[05:54] <tbasten> should i stop downloading of it?
[05:54] <metalsand> thoreauputic: After I install how do the extras function? Where do I go to change things?
[05:54] <fsapo> hi.. i m with a problem in kaffeine.. it is running fine but when i close it, it stays running on background and using 100% of my cpu, what could be the problem? sorry for asking here.. but in the #kubuntu channel nobody was awake :(
[05:55] <tbasten> Amaranth, should i cancle download?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> metalsand: look at your themes dialogue and you should have several new themes there
[05:55] <Amaranth> tbasten: Do you know what pinning is?
[05:55] <tbasten> nah
[05:55] <Amaranth> tbasten: I'd cancel the download.
[05:55] <tbasten> done
[05:55] <metalsand> Amaranth, you have your own theme? :P
[05:56] <elcu> metalsand: specifically, you'll want to click on "theme details".
[05:56] <Amaranth> metalsand: I didn't write it and I hate it.
[05:56] <metalsand> llol
[05:56] <thoreauputic> metalsand: don't forgat to look at the "details" (windows, icons) as well :)
[05:56] <tbasten> Amaranth, should i change sources.conf back to hoary there dist-upgrade
[05:56] <Amaranth> o_O
[05:56] <Amaranth> tbasten: You were dist-upgrading to breezy?
[05:57] <tbasten> yeah
[05:57] <Amaranth> tbasten: Yes, change them back to hoary and update.
[05:57] <tbasten> k
[06:00] <pshend> anyone know whats causing these errors from apt-get? : http://pastebin.ca/11309
[06:01] <tbasten> Amaranth, before i updated libc6 to a different version but now i dont want it on there. I want the old version on there
[06:01] <JairunCaloth> Why dosn't xchat remember my nick when I start it?
[06:01] <Amaranth> tbasten: This is why I told you not to use breezy.
[06:02] <metalsand> Wow
[06:02] <metalsand> This is REALLY customizable.
[06:02] <metalsand> What about splash screens/start menus?
[06:02] <Gog> this is probably an faq, but I can't find an uptodate answer ... what's the recommended firewall for ubuntu/debian? (I'm used to freebsd with ipf/ipfw, openbsd with pf ... but never tried ipchains/iptable/etc)
[06:02] <tbasten> Amaranth, what i want to know is i want to remove (by force) libc6 and install the old version
[06:02] <thoreauputic> pshend: looks at a glance like you need to do apt-get build-dep for the package
[06:02] <elcu> JairunCaloth: did you play around with xchat -> server list?
[06:02] <Amaranth> tbasten: I don't know.
[06:02] <pshend> thoreauputic, ta, i'll check that
[06:02] <thoreauputic> pshend: you are missing dependencies, in other words
[06:03] <tbasten> How long until breezy will me usable?
[06:03] <superSizeME> je voudrais all sur Channel  ubutun-fr   MERCI!!
[06:04] <tbasten> be*
[06:04] <clausme> xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <clausme> E: Broken packages
[06:04] <clausme> how to fix this
[06:04] <tritium> pshend, look at the manpage for apt-get.  There's a "build-dep" option
[06:04] <elcu> Gog: http://ubuntuguide.org/#firestarter perhaps? (elcu is not an expert)
[06:04] <pshend> i've done apt-get build-dep python2.3, and it's downloading a load of deps
[06:04] <pshend> hopefully that'll fix it
[06:04] <Amaranth> tbasten: 5 months
[06:05] <tritium> Have a good day, all.  I'm setting myself away.
[06:05] <thoreauputic> superSizeME:  /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:05] <Gog> eclu: thanks (it's trying to decide which of the hundreds to use :)
[06:05] <superSizeME> thoreauputic  MERCI
[06:06] <thoreauputic> superSizeME: pas de quoi :)
[06:06] <clausme> xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed
[06:06] <clausme> E: Broken packages
[06:06] <clausme> how to fix this
[06:06] <tbasten> download totem-xine
[06:06] <metalsand> is there anyway for toolbars to be compeltely hidden?
[06:07] <metalsand> So the top isn't sticking out?
[06:07] <dr_willis> hmm what toolbars?
[06:07] <metalsand> panels*
[06:07] <thoreauputic> clausme: do you have universe and multiverse enabled? And have you done an update/reload?
[06:08] <thoreauputic> metalsand: I think gnome in their wisdom decreed that complete hiding was a Bad Thing (tm) </sarcasm>
[06:08] <metalsand> I don't get it. -.-
[06:08] <thoreauputic> metalsand: I've tried without success myself
[06:09] <metalsand> lol.
[06:09] <metalsand> thoreauputic: is there any support for splash screens/logins?
[06:09] <metalsand> Or could I manually do that :x
[06:09] <thoreauputic> metalsand: you can *almost* hide completely by using the buttond at the ends of the panels
[06:10] <thoreauputic> metalsand: yes, google for gTweakUI and gsplashfu
[06:10] <metalsand> they in repostries?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> I think that's right
[06:10] <thoreauputic> metalsand: not as far as I know
[06:10] <metalsand> Bah.
[06:10] <metalsand> Compiling sucks :P
[06:10] <littlepaul> i have a question regarding webspace on ubuntuforums. the rootserver of our german forum crashed for 30 minutes
[06:10] <thoreauputic> metalsand: on art.gnome.org I think
[06:11] <thoreauputic> or gnome look.org or something
[06:11] <cappe> gpg: can't get key from keyserver: Connection refused - that's what I get when I run the ubuntusetup.sh .. what can I do about this?
[06:12] <cappe> more info sais backports.ubuntuforums.org 500 internal server error - still.. =/
[06:12] <synd> whats the deal with the backports
[06:12] <synd> ?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> metalsand: actually apt-cache search finds gtweakui
[06:12] <Seveas> backports suck, that's the deal :)
[06:13] <synd> well yes
[06:13] <cappe> are there any other servers I could use instead of backports maybe?
[06:13] <metalsand> Is there anyway to get the beif description using apt- commands?
[06:13] <jiyuu0> cappe, what r u lookin for?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> metalsand: aha - *and* gsplashfu as well!
[06:13] <jiyuu0> in backports
[06:13] <metalsand> <3
[06:13] <Seveas> metalsand, if you mean brief description: apt-cache show packagename
[06:14] <metalsand> awesome, Sev
[06:14] <thoreauputic> metalsand: so you can apt-get both :D
[06:14] <ChristOff> hello, is there somebody that can help me to make my firewire connection work with dhcp?
[06:14] <metalsand> Oh, btw, Seveas... I still haven't gotten my card to work ;)
[06:14] <Seveas> tough little rotten card it is :)
[06:14] <synd> metalsand: wireless card?
[06:14] <metalsand> Yes.
[06:14] <Seveas> synd, don't try it, he's already spent hours on it
[06:15] <Seveas> ;)
[06:15] <synd> haha
[06:15] <metalsand> Hours is an understatement, I've probably spent about 15.
[06:15] <synd> well what brand/model is it so i dont buy it
[06:15] <metalsand> If not more.
[06:15] <metalsand> Senao SL 2511 PLUS Ext. 2
[06:15] <Seveas> metalsand, i saw in the kernel changelog that the prism drivers are updated in breezy ;)
[06:15] <synd> 802.11g?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> metalsand: in order, do first `apt-cache search <keyword> ` then to look at the package description do `apt-cache show <packagename>
[06:15] <metalsand> Cool, thanks thoreauputic.
[06:16] <thoreauputic> metalsand: no problem :)
[06:16] <drfanatic> hello!
[06:16] <cappe> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646 that is what i am searching for. this script will download some stuff that I would wanna have.. java and so on..
[06:16] <metalsand> How to I move files around in term?
[06:16] <Seveas> argh stupid script...
[06:16] <Seveas> metalsand: mv
[06:16] <metalsand> right.
[06:16] <Seveas> mv source dest
[06:17] <synd> damn, anyone use colloquy on mac?
[06:17] <synd> i really like this
[06:18] <ChristOff> this box internet connection comes over firewire from a shared xp connection (this one is using the real ethernet connection to the cable modem)
[06:18] <thoreauputic> metalsand: have a look at http://www.tuxfiles.org/  << good stuff on commandline basics
[06:18] <metalsand> Bookmarked
[06:18] <jiyuu0> cappe, get the Add-ON CD if u have prob with repositories
[06:18] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[06:18] <metalsand> But, for now I gotta' run to school.
[06:18] <jiyuu0> should have most of the things u need
[06:19] <willis> how often do the ubuntu servers build things in the source packages, and transfer them to the binary pool?
[06:19] <BoD_SWAT> When I boot Ubuntu, it "stops" a long time @ Configuring network interfaces. How can I disable it to let it go faster? I have static IPs so in fact it is already configured.
[06:19] <willis> beagle is listed in breezy-universe-sources, but it's not yet availible as a binary
[06:19] <willis> BoD_SWAT, check /etc/network/interfaces
[06:20] <willis> BoD_SWAT, or just press Ctrl-C when it's configuring
[06:20] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: sounds like something is wrong in the file willis mentions
[06:20] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: I have static IPs too, and that doesn't happen here
[06:20] <elcu> BoD_SWAT: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuringnetwoktooslow
[06:21] <BoD_SWAT> OK, I will take a look at it. Ubuntu is out-of-the-box. So I prolly need to disable the script and code it new :)
[06:21] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: man interfaces is worth a look, if you can stand man pages ;-)
[06:21] <thotypous> hi
[06:22] <ubuntu> any french ?
[06:22] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: also take a look at your /etc/hosts file and make sure you have entries for each box on your LAN as necessary
[06:22] <thoreauputic> Ubuntico: /join #ubuntu-fr
[06:22] <thoreauputic> oops
[06:22] <metalsand> thoreauputic: gsplashfu isn't showing up in repos
[06:22] <thoreauputic> ubuntu: ^^^
[06:23] <thoreauputic> metalsand: are you on hoary? Do you have all repos enabled?
[06:23] <metalsand> Yes
[06:23] <metalsand> , and yes.
[06:23] <difeta> hey all! I cannot play anything in rhythmbox, but i can play music in xmms.  Upon boot, alsa fails.. any ideas?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> metalsand: something is wrong then
[06:23] <metalsand> Just erroed saying tep failure resolving to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:23] <thoreauputic> metalsand: unless this is ppc or amd64?
[06:24] <metalsand> Nope.
[06:24] <thoreauputic> metalsand: ah - that's a server issue
[06:24] <metalsand> Looks like the repos crashed
[06:24] <thoreauputic> metalsand: yes, wait a while
[06:24] <metalsand> I'll try again when I get home, adios
[06:24] <Gad1> anyone using an LDAP directory in evo 2.2 successfully?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> difeta: have you tried running ` sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart `  ?
[06:26] <rj_> anyone here using tomcat and the libapache2-mod-jk package?
[06:26] <elcu> are there mirrors for the repositories?
[06:26] <difeta> thoreauputic, yes, and I get the following error:
[06:26] <thoreauputic> elcu: just prepend au. to the archive url
[06:26] <difeta> thoreauputic, yes, and I get the following error: arning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'
[06:26] <clausme> problem with 5.1 system
[06:26] <clausme> how do i fix it
[06:27] <clausme> i can hear 5.1
[06:27] <thoreauputic> difeta: new install?
[06:27] <difeta> thoreauputic, yep, everything was fine before i reinstalled
[06:27] <clausme> hello how do i fix de 5.1 problem
[06:27] <thoreauputic> difeta: at first glance it looks like your card wasn't recognised
[06:28] <clausme> i can hear 2.1
[06:28] <clausme> but no 5.1
[06:28] <difeta> thoreauputic, oh but it was. But not by alsa.  I can play sound in totem-xine and xmms
[06:28] <thoreauputic> difeta: ah - try starting esd manually by typing `esd` in aterminal
[06:29] <BoD_SWAT> clausme, check your settings and drivers?
[06:29] <difeta> thoreauputic, this is the first of about 10 errors
[06:29] <difeta> ALSA lib confmisc.c:550:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0
[06:29] <elcu> thoreauputic: cheers, thanks
[06:29] <difeta> thoreauputic, it appears that i have a bunch of oss kernel modules loaded
[06:30] <cappe> the synaptic package manager has problems with the repositorys guys=/ I can't update my system as I would want to.. are there anyone from ubuntuforums.org around that has got access to the backports-server(s) and could help me out by solving this problem?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> difeta: sorry, I'm no sound expert I'm afraid
[06:31] <Sturmkind> hello
[06:31] <BoD_SWAT> clausme, without a "better" description of your problem nobody can help you
[06:31] <thoreauputic> cappe: I think there are some temporary issues on the servers, judging by the complaints in the last few minutes
[06:32] <cappe> ok
[06:32] <thoreauputic> difeta: BTW it's normal to have some OSS modules
[06:32] <clausme> hare can i find the folowing file asound.state
[06:32] <BoD_SWAT> clausme, do "updatedb" and when thats finished do "locate asound.state"
[06:32] <difeta> thoreauputic, i know that, but i dont have any alsa modules loaded. usualls there is an alsa modules that emulates oss
[06:33] <zoddan> how can i change so i dont need to insert the CD all the time ?
[06:33] <zoddan> when i apt-get something
[06:33] <thoreauputic> clausme: you need `sudo updatedb` BTW
[06:33] <difeta> zoddan, comment out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <BoD_SWAT> or you need to be logged in as root :D
[06:33] <thoreauputic> zoddan: comment out your CD in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <zoddan> ah ok
[06:34] <zoddan> trying to change to lilo
[06:34] <zoddan> hate grub :/
[06:34] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[06:35] <synd> zoddan: whats wrong with grub
[06:35] <zoddan> dont like it
[06:35] <zoddan> i allways use lilo
[06:36] <thoreauputic> zoddan: sounds like a familiarity issue :) I found grub strange whaen I first used it too
[06:36] <thoreauputic> zoddan: Just when I thought I understood lilo !
[06:36] <BoD_SWAT> :P
[06:36] <BoD_SWAT> Whats wrong with this line in fstab? "/dev/sda1	/mnt/hd300	ext3	defaults	0 	0 " I use it to mount my SATA HD, but it doesnt auto-mount...
[06:36] <difeta> grub is a little strange at first but it helps if you make afat finger mistake when installing a new kernel and mess up the config
[06:36] <zoddan> i cant get FB to work with grub
[06:37] <dr_willis> BoD_SWAT,  try mounting it manually?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> BoD_SWAT: you might need to specify "auto" if you want it to mount on boot
[06:37] <Frail> hey guys
[06:37] <thundrcleeze> Anyone else have an 500 internal server error on the hoary backports repos?
[06:37] <Frail> could someone reccommend an ftp program for ubuntu?
[06:37] <thundrcleeze> Frail, gFTP
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Frail: client or server?
[06:37] <harris> hi there
[06:37] <dr_willis> dozens of ftp progarms out. :P
[06:37] <zoddan> i dont have any cd-rom in sources
[06:38] <Frail> client
[06:38] <zoddan> what do i do now ?
[06:38] <BoD_SWAT> dr_willis, manually it works fine
[06:38] <harris> i have a question about ubuntu
[06:38] <zoddan> Filbert thoreauputic ?
[06:38] <BoD_SWAT> thoreauputic, will try.... will reboot now :P
[06:38] <dr_willis> BoD_SWAT,  :P ok. that eliminates the common problems lol.
[06:38] <harris> how mny cds are in the dstro ?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> Frail: gftp then probably: although both nautilus and konqueror can do ftp as well
[06:38] <elcu> thundrcleeze: backports are down IIRC
[06:38] <thoreauputic> zoddan: apt-get update
[06:38] <thundrcleeze> harris, Just 1 install cd.
[06:39] <Frail> ahh ok
[06:39] <elcu> harris: 1
[06:39] <elcu> :-)
[06:39] <zoddan> thoreauputic nevermind found it :P
[06:39] <Frail> thank you very much.
[06:39] <thoreauputic> zoddan: it *can't* ask for a CD rom if it isn't in the sources
[06:40] <harris> ohhhh ..
[06:40] <harris> is there a package list ?
[06:40] <harris> and what about mandrake vs ubuntu ?
[06:40] <thoreauputic> harris: if you feel like browsing about 15 000 packages....
[06:40] <jedipottsy> can someone send me a copy of sources as mines gone all messed up. pref one with extra repositories
[06:40] <zoddan> lol
[06:41] <zoddan> i apt:ed lilo but i dont have a lilol.conf
[06:41] <zoddan> how do i fix that ?
[06:41] <thundrcleeze> jedipottsy, there's one at ubuntuguide.org
[06:41] <thoreauputic> zoddan: you have to set it up and run lilo
[06:41] <zoddan> how ?
[06:41] <harris> i am running mandrake 10.1 and i would like to switch
[06:41] <elcu> harris: yep.  you can use synaptic or apt-cache search <keyword>
[06:41] <thoreauputic> :/
[06:41] <zoddan> thoreauputic: ?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> zoddan: why are you installing lilo if you don't know how to use it?
[06:41] <harris> any suggestions ?
[06:41] <dr_willis> heh - if you alwyas use lilo. then ya should know how to write one from scratch. :
[06:42] <elcu> harris: i've used mandrake before.  ubuntu seems a lot more stable.
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic: i know but i have never installed it after the system install
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic: so how do i do ?
[06:42] <elcu> harris: suggestions for what?
[06:42] <thundrcleeze> jedipottsy, find it under "Adding extra repositories to apt"
[06:42] <thoreauputic> zoddan: IRC isn't the place to be taught lilo - google is your friend
[06:42] <jedipottsy> ok, thnx i got it
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic no
[06:42] <harris> does ubintu worth ?
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic i just fond out
[06:42] <jedipottsy> :s
[06:42] <zoddan> thoreauputic "run liloconfig"
[06:42] <harris> i know its very generall question
[06:43] <elcu> harris: why not get the live cd and try it out
[06:43] <harris> hmmm... ok
[06:43] <elcu> harris: that would be the best way of fguring out if you like it.  we're all biased.
[06:43] <harris> thanks
[06:44] <elcu> np, enjoy
[06:44] <elcu> :)
[06:44] <zoddan> ERROR: install-mbr failed. Your system may not be bootable
[06:44] <jamesio2> wow... I'm impressed with xchat.  our link went down and I came back here to find myself back in after it coming back up minutes later
[06:45] <jedipottsy> i like the thing where u can pin something to the top :D
[06:45] <thoreauputic> jamesh: most decent IRC clients will keep trying to connect like that :)
[06:46] <jamesio2> even mirc has issues with dropped connections...  that was pretty nice
[06:46] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get all my buttons working on my mouse? (mx1000)
[06:46] <wwallace_> is ubuntu better that kanotix?
[06:46] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: you ask this in #ubuntu? What answer would you expect? *g*
[06:47] <factorx> does anyone now how i can load vmware graphics drivers into my win98-vm?
[06:47] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: it depends what you like and need
[06:47] <elcu> is there any way to change the tooltip colour from the default of yellow?
[06:47] <zerokarmaleft> factorx, install vmware tools?
[06:47] <wwallace_> im in multimedi
[06:47] <wwallace_> i need a very good mp3 player or multimedia player
[06:48] <elcu> wwallace_: that's not really a distro based issue.
[06:48] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: I think amarok is the best I've seen (KDE)
[06:48] <wwallace_> ok thanks
[06:49] <zoddan> how do i clean the MBR ?
[06:49] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: if you don't want to have to set up mp3, choose a distro that does it "out of the box" - Ubuntu does it, but you need to do some legwork to get it happening
[06:50] <snugglebunny> I'd go for rhytmbox
[06:50] <wwallace_> where is marok my kanotix said is already installed
[06:50] <thoreauputic> snugglebunny: rhythmbox has... issues
[06:50] <wwallace_> i saw it thanks
[06:50] <thoreauputic> snugglebunny: IMO amarok is currently way better
[06:51] <BoD_SWAT> I get a "special device does not exist" error at boot, when I try to mount my SATA HD. My fstab reads "/dev/sda1	/mnt/hd300	ext3	defaults	0 	0 ". What could it be?
[06:51] <zoddan> how do i remove GRUB ?
[06:51] <wwallace_> ok from all those which one has a library?
[06:51] <wwallace_> xmms is nice but no music library
[06:52] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: both rhythmbox and amarok have a library
[06:52] <BoD_SWAT> zoddan, overwrite it with another boot loaders?
[06:52] <elcu> wwallace_: FYI, beep-media-player is a better alternative to xmms
[06:52] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: amarok's is more sophisticated, and allows tag editing etc
[06:52] <wwallace_> ok
[06:52] <dr_willis> zoddan,  you install a boot loader OVER it.
[06:52] <wwallace_> lets see
[06:52] <wwallace_> ......
[06:53] <zoddan> i have
[06:53] <zoddan> i have install lilo
[06:53] <zoddan> but grub is still booting
[06:53] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: if you already have kanotix, I expect you can use amarok (kanotix is more KDE oriented) You might want to look at Kubunru in the case where you prefer KDE
[06:54] <wwallace_> i do prefer kde
[06:54] <thoreauputic> zoddan: then you got it wrong, evidently
[06:54] <dr_willis> zoddan,  then i am guessing you intalled lilo to the wrong drive/sector.
[06:54] <wwallace_> whats kubunru?
[06:55] <factorx> wwallace_: ubuntu with kde instead of gnome
[06:55] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: Ubuntu with KDE insteads of gnome as default
[06:55] <jedipottsy> help
[06:55] <jedipottsy> i followed this guide
[06:55] <jedipottsy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[06:55] <elcu> isn't that a typo? i thought it was kubuntu.
[06:55] <jamesio2> you guys mentioned amarok.  does it work in gnome?
[06:55] <osity> anyone have raid experience in ubuntu
[06:55] <osity> ?
[06:55] <dataw0lf|w> jamesio2: yes.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> yes typo
[06:55] <elcu> jamesio2: you can run any kde app in gnome
[06:55] <elcu> IIRC
[06:55] <jedipottsy> but my forward and backward buttons dont work 0 the forward button is like right click
[06:55] <thoreauputic> Kubuntu
[06:55] <dataw0lf|w> jamesio2: you need the kde libs though.
[06:55] <jamesio2> it's installing now
[06:56] <jamesio2> thanks... didn't know that
[06:56] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: it works in gnome, but esd gets in the way
[06:56] <jamesio2> I'm looking for replacement apps for my windows apps
[06:56] <snowmann> hi @all
[06:56] <Scorpinf> is there a gui for rar?
[06:56] <dr_willis> Scorpinf,  Ive used winrar under wine :P does that count?
[06:56] <elcu> thoreauputic: what does this actually do? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:57] <Scorpinf> i dont have wine :/
[06:57] <dr_willis> Scorpinf,  install it then :P
[06:57] <Scorpinf> with apt-get ?
[06:58] <dr_willis> i do belive some of the archive guis can handle rars. howeer i ve never used them - so cant tell more.
[06:58] <dr_willis> Scorpinf,  yep.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> elcu: I don't know ;)
[06:58] <thoreauputic> elcu: I think it's a fix for esound issues, but I'm not sure what it does
[06:59] <Scorpinf> how do i et a cool theme for ubuntu with transparent terminal etc...
[06:59] <wwallace_> amarok looks nice im waiting for the libary to be build
[06:59] <wwallace_> ubuntu is debian?
[06:59] <elcu> thoreauputic: ah, ok.  no worries
[06:59] <wwallace_> i mean can i use apt-get to get stuff?
[06:59] <elcu> wwallace_: yep, debian based
[06:59] <wwallace_> ok
[06:59] <elcu> Scorpinf: gnome?
[06:59] <wwallace_> im downloading the 64 iso right now
[07:00] <wwallace_> the 386 also just in case
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: transparent terminals can be done with the default terminal if you wish
[07:00] <jamesio2> I use "Tag & Rename" in windows to tag my mp3s.  By any chance, do you guys know of a linux app that is a close match?
[07:00] <wwallace_> same files structure than debian right?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Scorpinf: look at the configuration options in the gnome-terminal
[07:00] <Nalioth> jamesio2, easytag?
[07:00] <Scorpinf> thoreauputic, ok ill check it out
[07:01] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: Ubuntu is basically identical to debian in configuration
[07:01] <wwallace_> ok
[07:01] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: as I said earlier, amarok has quite a few tagging options built in
[07:02] <jamesio2> nalioth, I'll go take a look.  thanks.
[07:02] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: in fact they are better than easy tag, I'd say
[07:02] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, it just finished installing...
[07:02] <snowmann> cu @all
[07:02] <cyphase> finally got name-based vhosts working, lol
[07:02] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: I think you'll like it :)
[07:03] <Nalioth> jamesio2, the nice thing about linux, everything is free (not out any money to try things out
[07:03] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, if it would work with an ipod... I'll love it
[07:03] <Nalioth> jamesio2, gtkpod?
[07:04] <zoddan> can i change to debian release in sources so i can apt-get gkrellm and stuff ?
[07:04] <jamesio2> nal, that's why I'm trying to move "my life" over to linux
[07:04] <zoddan> i cant apt-get gkrellm with ubuntu in sourceslist
[07:04] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: I think there's an option for that - it might need plugins and configuration though (not sure)
[07:04] <jamesio2> nalioth, still learning what I need to do my daily things
[07:04] <Nalioth> jamesio2, ubuntu is a good choice
[07:04] <zoddan> can i canage that without problem ?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> zoddan: sure you can
[07:04] <zoddan> ok
[07:04] <jamesio2> I just wish I could find people in the New Orleans area that use ubuntu
[07:05] <Nalioth> jamesio2, i've found that besides games, everything you use in windoze has one or more comparitive proggys in linux
[07:05] <thoreauputic> zoddan: change what?
[07:05] <jamesio2> then again, I wish I could find "normal people" that use linux.  the ones I've met remind me of "Jerry's kids"
[07:05] <thoreauputic> zoddan: gkrellm is available in Ubuntu
[07:05] <zoddan> no
[07:05] <zoddan> i was trying to apt-get it but it wont download
[07:05] <sig> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release:  <--- how do I fix this?
[07:05] <elcu> jamesio2: who's jerry?
[07:05] <jamesio2> nalioth, yeah I'm slowly learning what I need to replace them
[07:05] <mgalvin> \join #ubuntu-meeting
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: yes it will - just wait for the servers if there's a problem
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: could not find package gkrellm
[07:06] <jamesio2> elcu, Jerry Lewis
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: rubbish
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: so you see
[07:06] <jamesio2> elcu, ie. handicapped
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: try for you self
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: I have it right here
[07:06] <zoddan> thoreauputic: do you have the same version ?
[07:06] <jamesio2> it was a bad joke... just trying to say that the linux people I've met in person really scare me
[07:06] <thoreauputic> zoddan: your sources are misconfigured
[07:06] <elcu> jamesio2: ah, ok.
[07:07] <sig> anyone else get these errors?
[07:07] <zoddan> thoreauputic: no they ar not, i have the sources that came with the CD install
[07:07] <jamesio2> and don't try to talk to them about a distro they don't use.
[07:07] <sig> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:07] <zoddan> thoreauputic: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[07:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: you need to add universe at least
[07:08] <bad_mongo> does anyone use Opera?
[07:08] <elcu> jamesio2: lol, i can relate somewhat, not being much of a hardcore linux user.
[07:08] <zoddan> thoreauputic: what ?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> and probably multiverse
[07:08] <zoddan> thoreauputic: ?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> zoddan: read the URl
[07:08] <zoddan> thoreauputic: i have so what ?
[07:08] <jamesio2> elcu, I went to a linux group meeting... and I felt like I was at an AA meeting.  "Hi, my name is James and I use ubuntu"
[07:09] <thoreauputic> zoddan: thoreauputic zoddan: read the URl
[07:09] <zoddan> i have
[07:09] <sig> anyone know why this gpg signature in security is bad?
[07:09] <wwallace_> is ubuntu live cd too?
[07:09] <BoD_SWAT> jamesio2, ROFL
[07:09] <zoddan> why dont just say "uncomment the lines in sourcers.list"
[07:09] <zoddan> ?
[07:09] <elcu> Hi James.
[07:09] <sig> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:09] <elcu> :-)
[07:09] <BoD_SWAT> wwallace_, Ubuntu also has a live-CD yes
[07:09] <drspin> sig: just got that same thing LOL
[07:09] <sig> hmm
[07:09] <thoreauputic> zoddan: because you clearly need to do some basic research
[07:10] <jamesio2> hehe... I'm telling you it was that bad.  I just sat there for 2 hours watching these people talk about stuff that made me feel like I was 3 steps above them on the evolutionary ladder
[07:10] <wwallace_> oh is different from the 64 version im downloading?
[07:10] <drspin> Due to lack of good Audio-cd-burning apps for GNOME I'm installing KDE ;'(
[07:10] <drspin> or perhaps just k3b :'(
[07:10] <wwallace_> ubuntu uses kde?
[07:10] <BoD_SWAT> it uses Gnome
[07:10] <wwallace_> uh?
[07:10] <elcu> jamesio2: really? i always feel 3 steps below. (is doing a comp sci. degree)
[07:10] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: Kubuntu for KDE
[07:10] <BoD_SWAT> wwallace_, please READ the ubuntu website
[07:10] <drspin> wwallace_: Kubuntu uses KDE
[07:10] <wwallace_> can i switch from gnome to kde?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: although you can install KDE
[07:11] <BoD_SWAT> linux is highly configurable
[07:11] <BoD_SWAT> :)
[07:11] <thoreauputic> wwallace_: yes - install the kubuntu-desktop package
[07:11] <jamesio2> elcu, the issue really is that I have been doing computers for many years and I'm really good with hardware.  then you get a few people that really know linux find a "cool" toy like a raid controller, but they don't understand how it works.
[07:12] <jamesio2> elcu, there were 4 guys arguing for 20 minutes about how raid5 works.  it was funny.
[07:12] <jamesio2> elcu, as opposed to saying "ok, let's try it"
[07:13] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: yes, but it's also funny to listen to windows "gurus" getting everything wrong about Linux ;-)
[07:13] <evarlast> thoreauputic: I find that often those people get much wrong about windows too.
[07:13] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, true.  I'm a windows person (it director and network engineer for years), but I know when to ask questions
[07:13] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: sure
[07:14] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, I know what I need to do, but not how to do it.
[07:14] <jedipottsy> hey
[07:14] <jedipottsy> can someone help me with this
[07:14] <jedipottsy> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46
[07:14] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: open source is kind of different - you end up spending a lot of time with google and mailing lists etc
[07:14] <sig> thoreauputic: have you got those gpg errors on the security repo?
[07:14] <jedipottsy> it says
[07:14] <jedipottsy> Overwrite the correctly "Phys" address with your own. Now you can restart your Xserver and enjoy a nice 12-button mouse. You can use * or ? as wildcards
[07:15] <jedipottsy> whats that mean?
[07:15] <evarlast> I think I've heard just as many linux users get linux wrong, as I have heard windows users get windows wrong.  *shrug* there are the informed and there ate the mis- un- informed
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sig: hmm... I only get them if I fail to do an apt-get update first
[07:15] <eruin> ooooh I can't wait for beagle
[07:15] <eruin> w/ the inotify kernel coming to breezy
[07:15] <eruin> :D
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sig: but there's a URL... hang on I'll look for you
[07:15] <sig> thoreauputic: apt-get update will still give you the errors
[07:15] <sig> I've just tried
[07:15] <sig> hmm
[07:16] <sig> thoreauputic: run apt-get update you'll still get the error
[07:16] <Nalioth> jamesio2, and your support doesnt consist of $90 up front please <pay money><ask question>"we're sorry but you must reinstall windoze"
[07:16] <jedipottsy> ne1 here got all buttons working on theyr mx1000?
[07:16] <eruin> drspin: err
[07:17] <eruin> drspin: a good, read: better gnome burning program than k3b is gnome-baker
[07:17] <eruin> so don't switch just yet :P
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sig: I used that
[07:17] <mae> which /etc/init.d/ script is in charge of HALD?
[07:17] <sig> hmm
[07:17] <sig> thoreauputic: run apt-get update
[07:17] <sig> you'll still get that error
[07:17] <thoreauputic> sig: I have :)
[07:17] <sig> same error
[07:17] <jamesio2> nalioth, that's funny.  I'm that guy... then again, I'm the it director and those are my guys
[07:18] <evarlast> jamesio2: do you let your guys get away with that?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> sig: with the wiki's instructions followed, I don't get the error unless I fail to update before installing
[07:18] <thoreauputic> sig: unless you are using some other repos?
[07:19] <xukun> I this error I f I run apt-getg upate. "GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:19] <xukun> "
[07:19] <jamesio2> evarlast, nope.  I don't do that either... but it was more a comment on the money.  even though we are part of a larger company, my team has to bill out to their budgets
[07:19] <Nalioth> jamesio2, my point is that windoze is so bbloated that the support staff can't even begin to help you
[07:19] <xukun> I  get ..
[07:19] <sig> thoreauputic: I've done those commands dude
[07:19] <sig> you'll still get that gpg error
[07:19] <thoreauputic> sig: OK
[07:19] <evarlast> jamesio2: yes, my team does that too.
[07:19] <sig> something is up with that security repo I think
[07:20] <xukun> hmm
[07:20] <thoreauputic> sig: YMMV - I don't get the error here at the moment but the repos may be out of sync
[07:20] <jamesio2> oh, and I instituted a rule: if the problem was caused by "user error" then the fee we charge is double
[07:20] <jamesio2> the COO agreed... and it cut down on our calls by 80%
[07:20] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: BOFH eh ? *grin*
[07:20] <sig> hmm
[07:20] <evarlast> jamesio2: ;[  so mean!
[07:20] <sig> frustrating
[07:21] <jamesio2> not mean... read the f'ing manual you lazy bastards
[07:21] <thoreauputic> sig: it won't let you install, or is it merely annoying?
[07:21] <sig> thoreauputic: just gpg errors
[07:21] <wwallace_> c ya thanks
[07:22] <jamesio2> my favorite dilbert cartoon has the pointy haired boss coming in and saying management is firing everyone in the company except IT, since IT does all their jobs anyway
[07:22] <sig> I think your right, they may be out of sync
[07:22] <sig> I'll try later
[07:22] <thoreauputic> sig: I think they are still ironing out some issues, judging by the frequency of this complaint
[07:24] <dabaSlon> ugh
[07:24] <evarlast> jamesio2: are you allowed to configure the workstations so that people can't mess up too badly?
[07:24] <mae> Does anyone know what some possible causes would be why ubuntu is not detecting removable media on the fly anymore?
[07:25] <elcu> mae: what sort of media?
[07:25] <jamesio2> evarlast, I can do anything I want to our systems.  we do have group policies in place, but only to a certain extent do they stop people from messing up
[07:25] <jamesio2> evarlast, I let the users do what they want on the machine with the understanding that if they install software without authorization, they will be fired.
[07:26] <mae> elcu, flash drives, ipods etc.. before it would automatically create the /media listing and then put it on my desktop, now it doesnt even make the directory, I checked dmesg and the kernel detected it just fine, i can mount it manually with mount.. but no auto mount/directory generation for some reason
[07:26] <evarlast> jamesio2: ya, I have that access here on my desktop, but they are removing Administrator access to PC's and only giving User/PowerUser.  it is an excellent step IMO
[07:26] <jamesio2> ever since that got put into the employee manual, they stopped installing crap
[07:26] <KriegGoD> howq do i find out which GTK+ version i've got?
[07:26] <jamesio2> true, but some of our applications won't work without local admin rights
[07:27] <evarlast> jamesio2: luckily we don't have  "fired" policy, just a "fix it now" directive, or a "show us the licnese" directive.   I can't live without putty, cygwin, gvim, and a few others.
[07:27] <evarlast> jamesio2: same here - so only the people who need those apps are getting local admin rights.
[07:27] <jamesio2> evarlast, if you worked for us ... then you wouldn't be able to install all of that.
[07:27] <elcu> jamesio2: do you let them use firefox at least?
[07:28] <jamesio2> elcu, that is the next thing we plan on doing, but once again.... some of what we do requires ie
[07:29] <jamesio2> I work in a complicated environment.  a typical desktop in our billing dept has 35 specific applications, and about 15 url shortcuts to get into hospitals.
[07:29] <jamesio2> and to let you know, I'm on a laptop specifically built so I can play with ubuntu when I have free time
[07:29] <jamesio2> I practice what I preach
[07:29] <evarlast> jamesio2: then I'd quit working for you ;p
[07:29] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: have you been able to get spyware under control?  in my offive we've been having issues even with tight policies in place
[07:29] <jamesio2> hahhahaa
[07:30] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> mae: checked your conf editor in apps system tools?
[07:30] <jamesio2> hypa7ia, we have 0 spyware.  we do have apps in place to scan for it enterprise-wide, but for the most part, our people don't surf or install anything
[07:30] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: gotcha
[07:31] <osity> raid experience anyone?
[07:31] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> mae:  then desktop, volume management, auto mount
[07:31] <jamesio2> once again, it goes back to the "don't mess with it and you won't get fired" rule
[07:31] <jamesio2> my boss is a nice guy, but if you mess with the systems, he freaks.
[07:31] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: ahh, but so often with drive-by installs... not really the user's fault :-/
[07:32] <elcu> jamesio2: you can't stop them from playing freecell though ;-)
[07:32] <jamesio2> hypa7ia, sure it is.  if they weren't surfing, it wouldn't have happened.
[07:32] <jamesio2> elcu, sure we can... we have apps in place to remove "unlicensed applications"
[07:32] <jamesio2> and freecell/solitaire is on the list
[07:32] <jamesio2> I caught someone bringing it in on floppy
[07:32] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: most of these problems would disappear with linux, yes?
[07:33] <elcu> jamesio2: you harsh, harsh man. have you no compassion?
[07:33] <elcu> :-)
[07:33] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, no it wouldn't... there are no apps in place to track linux software
[07:33] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: that's true :-)
[07:33] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, show me an enterprise-wide application that can stop people from running/installing things in linux and we'll talk
[07:33] <jamesio2> hehehe
[07:34] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: you just /can't/ as a user :-)
[07:34] <elcu> thoreauputic: don't tell him, he'll use it for evil
[07:34] <jamesio2> I did the same, but it was for an apple //e
[07:34] <osity> noone here knows raid?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: umm - they wouldn't be able to install in linux without root privileges, except in their home dir
[07:34] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, but they could still install to their home dirs
[07:34] <jamesio2> or bring things in on floppy
[07:34] <jamesio2> and I'd have no way of knowing
[07:34] <hypa7ia> and it would be trivial to not allow exec other than in /usr?
[07:34] <hypa7ia> wouldn't it?
[07:34] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: how would that cause system wide problems?
[07:35] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: not system issues, but lost productivity
[07:35] <jamesio2> I'm not trying to get into a "why don't you do this..." discussion.  we use windows for a reason... and I use linux for a reason.
[07:35] <hypa7ia> and possibly system issues, i guess :-)
[07:35] <jamesio2> bottom line: with what I have installed, I can track everything and know what everyone is doing at all time.
[07:35] <jamesio2> ermo, times.
[07:35] <evarlast> jamesio2: CA eTrust SEOS - expensive but EXCELLENT!
[07:35] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: I wasn't saying that you should do anything: merely making converstion
[07:36] <thoreauputic> *converstion
[07:36] <jamesio2> just for conversation, go look up "HIPAA"
[07:36] <Fator_Dee> " Big brother is watching *you* " ;-)
[07:36] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: no need to be prickly :)
[07:36] <jamesio2> hehehe
[07:36] <jamesio2> thoreauputic, nah... just trying to explain myself
[07:36] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: i know all about that... it's getting to be a huge issue wth VOIP
[07:36] <jamesio2> a single hipaa violation costs
[07:36] <jamesio2> $250,000
[07:37] <jamesio2> we had a hospital we work with pay one
[07:37] <jamesio2> and we sneaked by not paying because of the apps we have in place to log everything
[07:37] <jamesio2> so the money was well spent
[07:37] <evarlast> jamesio2: if you need to run HIPAA stuff on unix/linux check out CA eTrust aka SeOS
[07:38] <jamesio2> I'll look into it, but bear in mind, I have a development team of 14 programmers that program in asp.net
[07:38] <Fator_Dee> jamesio2: what kind of company you work in?
[07:39] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: remember how much GNOME development is happening in mono, then :-)
[07:39] <jamesio2> medical billing, medical staffing, er management, and er software development
[07:39] <evarlast> jamesio2: maybe I would work for you... but could I do my C# Asp.net in gvim?  ;] 
[07:39] <jamesio2> hhahaha
[07:40] <jamesio2> I've been planning on moving a good portion of what we do to apache and off of iis, but the problem I have is not finding qualified people
[07:40] <evarlast> jamesio2: o_O?  are you on IIS6?
[07:40] <jamesio2> as it is now, I desperately need a vb.net programmer that has a medical background
[07:40] <hypa7ia> jamesio2: try showing up at a local LUG meeting :-)
[07:40] <jamesio2> evarlast, all of our systems run windows 2003 server
[07:41] <hypa7ia> hehe, for the apache stuff, not the vb.net :-)
[07:41] <evarlast> jamesio2: then why move to apache?
[07:41] <jamesio2> proof of concept
[07:41] <evarlast> jamesio2: oh.
[07:41] <jamesio2> if I can prove that a linux box (or freebsd) runs apache and our apps... without the $28,000 cost of software PER machine, then I'm good
[07:41] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> so, hows your Ubuntu?
[07:41] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> haha
[07:41] <dabaSlon_schl_wr> bye
[07:42] <evarlast> $28k?  oh are you buying windows user license per asp.net user?
[07:42] <drcode> hi all
[07:42] <drcode> how I Can tell vncserver to load at gnome manager?
[07:42] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[07:43] <jamesio2> no0tic, we purchase sql server dual cpu license, hl7 adapter for biztalk, biztalk server ... and 4 other supporting applications (asp.net medical spellchecker, etc)
[07:43] <dr_willis> drcode,  ive seen it done that way - but cant remebr who/how/where :P
[07:43] <jamesio2> I hate the "auto name" feature in xchat...
[07:43] <Barnabas> any1 has experience with terratec 5.1 sound cards?
[07:43] <dr_willis> drcode,  i tend to ssh to the box and strt vnc manually on a peruser basis
[07:43] <evarlast> jamesio2: you are using biztalk.  cool.  good luck moving to apache, that would be a LOT of code to rewrite.
[07:43] <thoreauputic> jamesio2: then reconfigure it
[07:44] <drcode> k
[07:44] <jamesio2> evarlast, but the biztalk is the cheap part
[07:44] <drcode> I can use also xpmcd with compress?
[07:44] <jamesio2> sql server dual cpu license is about $8000 per machine
[07:44] <dr_willis> drcode,  i did see an artical on the Linux journal mag site - that showed how to start vncserver as needed from xinetd and did just that.
[07:44] <jamesio2> if I can get that on firebird...
[07:44] <evarlast> jamesio2: or postgresql?
[07:44] <jamesio2> or...
[07:45] <jamesio2> anyway... nice weather we're having
[07:45] <drcode> U Can send me link ?
[07:45] <evarlast> jamesio2: where are you in the US?
[07:45] <jamesio2> new orleans
[07:45] <jamesio2> not worth visiting and even worse to live here
[07:45] <jamesio2> incredibly high murder rate
[07:45] <evarlast> jamesio2: I'm in Detroit, but have you worked with any Atlanta contractors?
[07:46] <jamesio2> that's funny, I'm from Ann Arbor
[07:46] <ubuntu> hey, i am trying to mount an ntfs partition via a liveCD and was successful but won't let anyone but root view the contents. any help?
[07:46] <jamesio2> born/raised
[07:46] <evarlast> jamesio2: lol.  I live in Milan, my new job is in Ann Arbor, my wife goes to Umich :)
[07:46] <dr_willis> drcode,  been overa year sinve ive seen it. Some distros include a way to get vnc running at boot time - but i dont think ubuntu does
[07:46] <Fator_Dee> ubuntu: you need to give users read permission
[07:46] <dr_willis> drcode,  i bet the ubuntu wiki's are the place to start
[07:46] <drcode> k
[07:46] <drcode> thanx
[07:47] <drcode> I Will check there
[07:47] <jamesio2> evarlast, moved back here after 6 years in Canton/Novi...
[07:47] <ubuntu> fator_dee : how can i go about doing that?
[07:47] <evarlast> jamesio2: I'm in dearborn at Ford (right next to WHQ) right now!
[07:47] <evarlast> jamesio2: so greetings from your homeland.  :)
[07:47] <Barnabas> I got no sound :(
[07:47] <rubenv> What's ubuntu's policy on licenses?
[07:48] <jamesio2> evarlast, haha... I lived off of Ford/275
[07:48] <rubenv> do they only accept certain licenses, or ar all OSI approved licenses OK?
[07:48] <dr_willis> drcode,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=162624#post162624    - is a start
[07:48] <ermo> rubenv: comparable to debian afaik
[07:48] <ermo> rubenv: which means free/libre, I guess.
[07:48] <evarlast> jamesio2: want to move home?  lots of jobs around here :)
[07:48] <rubenv> ermo: I assume that means they're being more anal and reject certain OSI licences?
[07:49] <ubuntu> fator_dee: when I attempt to change the permissions of the folder, it gives me the message chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt': Read-only file system
[07:49] <ermo> rubenv: see, I wouldn't know. Guess my answer was kind of a non-answer :/
[07:49] <jamesio2> evarlast, funny you say that.  if I could find a job paying what I make now with the same responsibilities... I'd be all over it.  my wife is from new orleans, but she loved michigan (after I dragged her kicking and screaming to move there)
[07:49] <zoddan> thoreauputic: got i now, but gkrellm was not addd to my gnome menu
[07:49] <rubenv> ermo: no prob, I'll continue on poking around
[07:50] <jghjk> hi
[07:50] <cappe> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> - what do I need to do to solve this guys? any ideas on this one?
[07:50] <ermo> rubenv: but artistic, bsd, gpl, python, MIT are all ok.
[07:50] <jamesio2> evarlast, I'll be back in a bit.  you can pm me on the forums at "jamesio"
[07:50] <ubuntu> fator_dee: so is there a way I can modify the users' permissions without modifying the permissions of the folder? because i don't think it will let me modify folders' permissions because it's running off the liveCD
[07:50] <ermo> rubenv: again, afaik.
[07:50] <rubenv> ermo: I'm wondering about the APSL2
[07:50] <evarlast> jamesio2: later, good talking to you.
[07:50] <rubenv> it's OSI approved
[07:50] <thoreauputic> zoddan: right, it doesn't seem to have .desktop file: I just made a panel launcher for it
[07:51] <jamesio2> evarlast, I'll be back in about 20 minutes or so
[07:51] <rubenv> but I hear nothing but bad about it, but most of that applies to the APSL 1
[07:52] <ermo> rubenv: ttp://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/license-list.html <- search for APSL 2
[07:52] <nadav_> I have a little question about the command 'last'
[07:52] <ubuntu> can anyone help with the permissions issue on the liveCD?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> cappe: apparently the repos are out of sync - some discussion of it on #ubuntu-devel
[07:52] <x_or> Anyone know the convert program from ImageMagick?  I want to add a background edge around an image without resizing it.
[07:52] <ermo> rubenv: it's listed as 'incompatible' which to me implies that debian (and friends) will avoid it like the plague
[07:52] <zoddan> thoreauputic: ok
[07:52] <rubenv> ermo: the FSF mentions the APSL as free, but incompatible with the GPL
[07:53] <rubenv> for some idiotic reason
[07:53] <drcode> thanx
[07:53] <nadav_> with the command last, on the rows that start with 'reboot' what does the last columb mean? "(3+01:41)" ?
[07:53] <orfeu> ubuntu have an web server ?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> orfeu: yes, if you install apache from the repositories
[07:54] <raveli> i have a sftp server running and I would like to (a) restrict all sftp users to their home directories and (b) have symbolic links in their home directories to several directories so that when they follow the symlink, they won't actually get out of their home dirs (so that doing a "cd .." won't show them the parent of the actual symlink target dir). Any way to accomplish these?
[07:56] <cusco> chmod
[07:58] <UnreA|L> How create file in console
[07:58] <UnreA|L> ?
[07:58] <dr_willis> touch foo
[07:58] <dr_willis> :P
[07:58] <dr_willis> makea a 0k file named foo.
[07:59] <dr_willis> or theres 100 other ways
[07:59] <cusco> lol
[07:59] <UnreA|L> touch ?
[07:59] <dr_willis> echo "" > foo
[07:59] <cusco> editor file.name
[07:59] <Barnabas> arg
[07:59] <Barnabas> im frustrated
[07:59] <cusco> why is that
[07:59] <Earthen> anyone know how to restart dansguardian with out killing it
[07:59] <Barnabas> I got no sound
[07:59] <cusco> me too, I quit smoking
[07:59] <raveli> cusco, i can't see a way how to accomplish all that with chmod (I have other users using the computer as well, and those users' use shouldn't be as restricted as sftp users')
[08:00] <Barnabas> The audio monitor shows its played, but no joy
[08:00] <cusco> raveli: I don't know then
[08:00] <raveli> cusco, ok thanks. guess I'll have to continue searching
[08:01] <drcode> any one know good backup software with console client/server for linux?
[08:01] <drcode> or I Need to buy?
[08:01] <ermo> rubenv: the DFSG to me implies that software released under the APSL v2 would have to go into contrib. If it was in main, it would conflict with the DFSG. But in ubuntu?
[08:01] <drcode> not bacula or taper
[08:01] <raveli> it's a shame sftp doesn't support "virtual directories". I previously had a SFTP server app on Windows and defining custom server appearances for independent users was really easy with them
[08:02] <UnreA|L> How make a transperency aterm ?
[08:02] <raveli> bad news was that the sftp server app was commercial and, naturally, its devs wanted  for it after trial period :-)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: aterm -tr -sh 80 for example gives you an aterm with transparency, dimmed to 80%
[08:04] <Merlin615> hello all
[08:04] <rubenv> ermo: isn't it strange that perfectly good software is deemed unusable because of GPL zealots?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: aterm -bg black -fg white gives a black background, white foreground, and so on : man aterm will tell you other options
[08:04] <Merlin615> need some help trying to get the bugs worked out for transcode
[08:04] <rubenv> ermo: sure, it's not free in the fact that it can be used together with proprietary software, but that doesn't restrict our freedom?
[08:05] <thoreauputic> rubenv: hmm ... #politics maybe ;-)
[08:05] <UnreA|L> Okay ;)
[08:05] <UnreA|L> Thanks
[08:05] <UnreA|L> how make transperency forever
[08:05] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[08:05] <UnreA|L> when i turn off aterm
[08:05] <rubenv> thoreauputic: I'm sending it to sounder ;-)
[08:05] <sig> UnreA|L: put it in your aterm config file
[08:06] <cusco> raveli: I think google has a lot!! http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=restrict+sftp+users+home&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:06] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: make a launcher with your preferred command
[08:06] <sig> no
[08:06] <UnreA|L> how make this launcher
[08:06] <sig> just put it in your config file
[08:06] <UnreA|L> ?
[08:06] <chrissturm> hmm, yesterday i found my root filesystem mounted read only. i restarted the system and got a grub error. and when i boot with a live cd i get a incomplete read error when i try fdisk /dev/hda. is that a bad sign? ;)
[08:06] <UnreA|L> or where is config fie ?
[08:07] <Amaranth> rubenv: You'd have to know why the DFSG was created to know why it's a good thing.
[08:07] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: right click on the panel or desktop, choose to make a new launcher, enter your command, click on the icon space
[08:07] <raveli> cusco, oh :) looks like i've used far too restrictive keywords when searching
[08:07] <raveli> cusco, thanks again =)
[08:07] <XhyldazhK> I cannot log in to my box except in recovery mode as root, I am using hoary I've checked permissions and when I try to login ir do a 'su - xhyldazhk' to my user it says 'cannot cd to "/home/xhyldazhk" ' the directory exists... can anyone help me please?
[08:07] <cusco> np, good luck
[08:07] <UnreA|L> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:07] <UnreA|L> ;)
[08:07] <rubenv> Amaranth: I do value the DFSG, but it appears strange to me to condemn this license because you can link it with proprietary software
[08:08] <Amaranth> rubenv: That's not the reason.
[08:08] <Dalkus> XhyldazhK, do you get that error when su'ing as root?
[08:08] <Amaranth> rubenv: If that was the reason BSD and LGPL code wouldn't be allowed either.
[08:08] <kbdcb> Hi, I got a problem with GPG-keys. Can someone help me?
[08:08] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: yes
[08:08] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[08:08] <rubenv> Amaranth: yeah, but I can't find the other reason either
[08:08] <UnreA|L> how with aterm paste command ?
[08:08] <Dalkus> try chowning it to your user, make sure the permissions are absolutly correct.... 755 to be safe
[08:09] <Amaranth> rubenv: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html
[08:09] <rubenv> Amaranth:  the FSF's opinion has a very vague wording
[08:09] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: my home dir is 755
[08:09] <Dalkus> as root, chown it to your user, then try
[08:09] <XhyldazhK> drwxr-x-r-x
[08:09] <ermo> rubenv: I'd rather not get into that argument, if you don't mind. I am, however, a bit puzzled with the 'ubuntu philosopy' as published on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/licensing/
[08:10] <Amaranth> rubenv: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/08/msg00527.html might help too
[08:10] <UnreA|L> how with aterm paste command ? and how remove a left scrollbar ?
[08:10] <kbdcb> Amaranth, sorry. I think the problem was solved right now. :)
[08:10] <rubenv> ermo: likewise
[08:10] <ermo> rubenv: I wonder if I, as a user, would be better served if there was a list of compatible licenses under each component?
[08:10] <rubenv> Amaranth: aha, very handy
[08:11] <drcode> I can install rpm in ubuntu right?
[08:11] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: what is worst, any process that requires su, like gdm, doesn't starts
[08:11] <XhyldazhK> wait 10 mins i really have to go...
[08:11] <Dalkus> Hmm... That's not a good sign
[08:11] <rubenv> ermo: it would surely make life simpler for non-legalese people
[08:11] <ermo> rubenv: that would make it clearer as to what position canonical has on licenses. Obviously, they are bound by the DFSG in basing ubuntu off of it.
[08:11] <Dalkus> Ok, XhyldazhK.
[08:11] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: I've fscked my disk, and it's clean
[08:11] <ermo> rubenv: but that's just main. What about the other components?
[08:12] <Dalkus> Have you considerd doing a rescue install?
[08:12] <osity> does anyone know raid paritioning? please message me
[08:12] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: rescue install? the hoary cd has that inside?
[08:12] <raydogg``> what is the disk scan utility in ubuntu?
[08:12] <ermo> rubenv: Alas, your question was once again not answered, at least not by li'l me
[08:12] <Dalkus> Er, it should do -I've never needed to look
[08:12] <Dalkus> I'm almost certain it does
[08:12] <rubenv> ermo: If there has to be more 3th party (MOTU) involvement, wouldn't a list like that be extremely handy?
[08:12] <thoreauputic> raydogg``: fsck ?
[08:13] <Dalkus> you can save your /home partition's files - if it is a seperate partition
[08:13] <UnreA|L> Anything know where i can get ascii pictures ?
[08:13] <Amaranth> rubenv: from my reading of that thread so far i'd say the APSL 2.0 sucks
[08:13] <Dalkus> Ubuntico, chris.com I seem to remember? Not sure though
[08:13] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: all stuff is in the same dirty partition...
[08:13] <ermo> rubenv: I'm unfamiliar with '(MOTU)'...
[08:13] <Dalkus> not good, XhyldazhK  :) Have you any way to back up your files?
[08:13] <zoddan> what do you recommend KDE och Gnome?
[08:13] <lotusleaf> only 26 hours remaining in my Ubuntu iso download <3
[08:13] <Dalkus> UnreA|L, sorry, chris.com.
[08:13] <rubenv> Amaranth: I'm a slow legalese reader, but I'm working on it ;-)
[08:13] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: maybe scpying them to a win32 machine...
[08:14] <Amaranth> rubenv: I'd be hilarious if the GPL 3 has the same clause. It wouldn't be DFSG-free. :)
[08:14] <Amaranth> err, it'd
[08:14] <Dalkus> you may want to look into backing up, then doing a *fresh* install of ubuntu
[08:14] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: a rescue install won't do the trick?
[08:14] <Dalkus> and learning how to use paritions :) If you have a seperate /home parition, you can never wipe it when you need to reinstall your OS
[08:14] <Dalkus> no, it'll wipe over the partition
[08:15] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: there isn't a windows like 'install all base packages without deleting anything' ?
[08:15] <Dalkus> I'm not sure, sorry XhyldazhK.
[08:15] <XhyldazhK> thanks anyway
[08:16] <thoreauputic> XhyldazhK: you could try re-running base-config I guess, and see if it fixes some problems
[08:16] <Dalkus> XhyldazhK, you should really learn about having seperate partitions for your linux system, though :)
[08:17] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: is that I am a compulsive package installer, and a compulsive media downloader, so, I need to maximize space usable
[08:18] <XhyldazhK> Dalkus: the fact that I enabled user_xattr in the partition can have to do with that problem?
[08:19] <kbdcb> Amaranth, Can you help me install mplayer-k6 ? I get a lot of unmet dependencies?
[08:19] <Jefis> i am from shell, how to run gnome, when i type startx, it start's kde
[08:19] <Amaranth> kbdcb: You're not using marilliat, are you?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Jefis: startx /usr/bin/gnome-session
[08:20] <kbdcb> Amaranth, yes I am.
[08:20] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Stop. Now.
[08:20] <kbdcb> Amaranth, oh? Okej, what to do?
[08:20] <rubenv> Amaranth: I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly, but where exactly are the negative points of it? As I can see it, it forces more open-ness of software
[08:21] <Amaranth> rubenv: Using open source scripts to run a website is not distributing.
[08:21] <kbdcb> Amaranth, when deleting marilliat in sources.list apt-get can't find mplayer
[08:21] <Amaranth> kbdcb: You're on warty?
[08:21] <whyz> do i need to change the config file of sshd to allow other computers to connect to it?
[08:22] <kbdcb> Amaranth, no 5.04
[08:22] <thoreauputic> whyz: security
[08:22] <kbdcb> Amaranth, installed it yesterday
[08:22] <Amaranth> whyz: So that you don't open a potential security hole unless you know what you're doing.
[08:22] <whyz> Amaranth, ok, i'll check
[08:22] <Amaranth> kbdcb: If your sources.list points to hoary and you've run apt-get update after removing marilliat repos mplayer should be there
[08:23] <rubenv> Amaranth: I see, but when applying this license to eg a library with some utility functions, how would this restrain the freedom of a system?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I think he needs multiverse?
[08:23] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Possibly, I have them all.
[08:23] <UnreA|L> How safe ASCII picture if i wan show he with linux_logo -D ...
[08:23] <kbdcb> Amaranth, It isnt.. Can I paste something in privmsg?
[08:23] <UnreA|L> ?
[08:23] <whyz> Amaranth, can you give me the line to change? i'm trying to explain to a friend and can't see his config :/
[08:23] <rubenv> *sigh* All this legalese crap will one day drive me away from free software
[08:23] <Amaranth> rubenv: It wouldn't but they can't allow it for one thing and not another.
[08:23] <whyz> it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config , right?
[08:24] <Amaranth> rubenv: Because the license itself doens't meet DSFG standards.
[08:24] <Amaranth> whyz: I don't run sshd on my system.
[08:24] <holycow> rubenv, what, you think the other side is different?
[08:24] <holycow> there is actually more legalese on the other side because EVERY SINGLE COMPANY has their own licence!
[08:24] <holycow> not only one, usually they have millions of versions
[08:25] <holycow> ever try to be legal according to ms licencing?
[08:25] <Amaranth> ha
[08:25] <Amaranth> you'd need a team of lawyers
[08:25] <holycow> my god, office 97 alone has at least 3 different licences, never mind all the other licences upon licences that they have
[08:25] <rubenv> holycow: what is the value of an OSI approved license exactly?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: mplayer-586 is in multiverse according to `apt-cache policy mplayer-586`
[08:25] <Amaranth> rubenv: That's it's possible to consider it a real open source license.
[08:26] <Amaranth> rubenv: Debian is a little more strict.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: you need to enable multiverse repository
[08:26] <holycow> rubenv, 1) it deems the licence as 'free' as in 'free speech' which is important for the ecosystem (i.e. you get to reuse that is licenced under such a licence)
[08:26] <holycow> and 2) you deal with a handfull or two of licences, you don't have millions of licences per company
[08:26] <kbdcb> thoreauputic, where can I find those?
[08:26] <lotusleaf> ladies and gentlemen, welcome to #ubuntu-politics ;P
[08:27] <holycow> do you have any idea how many licences ms has in total? for all of their products?
[08:27] <holycow> jesus f christ
[08:27] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto  << tells you how
[08:27] <rubenv> but still, afther being open source certified, it's still not usable?
[08:27] <lotusleaf> on a pogo stick
[08:27] <tarzeau> someone play bub-n-bros.sf.net with me?
[08:27] <holycow> rubenv, not usable? what does that even mean?
[08:27] <lotusleaf> tarzeau: try #gametome
[08:27] <holycow> rubenv, the licence basically says 'heres some free stuff, the terms are basically you must share fairly'
[08:27] <rubenv> not usable as in: we won't use it because it doesn't comply to the GPL
[08:28] <holycow> rubenv, or alternatively 'you go screw your self and write your own from scratch'
[08:28] <holycow> basically it asks that everyone plays fair
[08:28] <kbdcb> thoreauputic, Okey thanks
[08:28] <tarzeau> lotusleaf: thanks
[08:28] <kbdcb> Amaranth, one question.. why shouldn't I use marillat?
[08:28] <holycow> rubenv, *shrug* depends on the situation, depends on the authors values
[08:28] <holycow> people are free not to gpl anything, and consequently are free also not to use any gpl stuff
[08:28] <Amaranth> kbdcb: It's for Debian, not Ubuntu so it breaks things randomly.
[08:28] <lotusleaf> tarzeau: yw
[08:28] <holycow> for example, you are free to write your own kernel if you like
[08:29] <holycow> *cough*
[08:29] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Or at least very easily could at any time.
[08:29] <rubenv> I was thinking on taking IT law as a class next year
[08:29] <kbdcb> Amaranth, Really? But the Unofficial Guide tells me to add them
[08:29] <holycow> rubenv, see, the problem isn't the licence, the problem that people take all this free stuff for granted
[08:29] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: basically for "multiverse" add that word after "universe"
[08:29] <rubenv> that's out of the question now, it drives me nuts...
[08:29] <holycow> they think its all actually 'free' when its not
[08:29] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Note the "Unofficial" part.
[08:30] <Amaranth> kbdcb: The Ubuntu developers don't seem to like people using marillat or backports.
[08:30] <holycow> what happens is when you take away someones ability to actually use linux, all of a sudden they go, 'holy shit, i really value all this stuff, maybe i should actually abide by the authors only request to play fair'
[08:30] <osity> does anyone understand the partitions setup in ubuntu for raid?
[08:30] <rubenv> yeah but where's the problem with OSI certified licenses, do they actually mean anything on free software land, or are they just a nice label?
[08:30] <Amaranth> kbdcb: Or at least some of them. I don't want to generalize.
[08:30] <holycow> rubenv, what do you mean do they mean anything?
[08:30] <holycow> thats completely stupid
[08:30] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: marillat changes fairly often, so it isn't "in sync" with Ubuntu
[08:30] <holycow> thats like saying does the u.s. constitution mean anything
[08:31] <Amaranth> rubenv: Basically they mean you can fork.
[08:31] <holycow> does a bear shit in the woods?
[08:31] <holycow> pick one
[08:31] <kbdcb> Amaranth, Ah okey.. thanks for your help.
[08:31] <kbdcb> :)
[08:31] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: but it's Ok for things like codecs
[08:31] <kbdcb> thoreauputic, work perfectly now.. thanks dude
[08:31] <thoreauputic> kbdcb: you're welcome :)
[08:32] <rubenv> Amaranth: holycow: thanks a lot for trying to make this clear, but i'm slightly losing all overview of it
[08:32] <dtygel> folks! Is there a way to undelete files in ubuntu? I'm using ext3, and I deleted some messages in thunderbird (and emptied its trash). Any idea??
[08:32] <rubenv> open source doesn't mean acceptable as in free, it seems
[08:32] <holycow> rubenv, sure that happens to everyone
[08:32] <fabbione> dtygel: no, there is no way to undelete a file on ext3
[08:32] <Amaranth> rubenv: Just because one group (OSI) considers a license free doesn't mean another group (Debian) does.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> dtygel: I think you may be out of luck
[08:33] <dtygel> thoreauputic: ok. It was a very hopeless deman... I had a tiny light of hope, though :(
[08:33] <rubenv> as I see it now, I'd rather go the OSI route then Debian's way
[08:33] <holycow> rubenv open source doesn't mean acceptable as in free, it seems  <-- thats also stupid
[08:34] <holycow> rubenv, maybe your a little tired or something, you are eitehr very tired, or deliberately misinterpreting the issue
[08:34] <thoreauputic> dtygel: it's a good idea to back up your stuff ( sorry to state the obvious)
[08:34] <Amaranth> rubenv: Open Source != Free Software
[08:34] <rubenv> holycow: no, I got lost along the way
[08:34] <Predius> According to the FSF it is. =D
[08:36] <Amaranth> Predius doesn't know what he is talking about. :/
[08:37] <rubenv> I'll just accept the fact that though OSI approved, I can't use ASPL2 stuff
[08:37] <rubenv> petty, cause there's plenty of fun things that would make a lot of magic
[08:38] <rubenv> *pity
[08:38] <lotusleaf> 8[08:38] <jamesio2> ok, now let's talk about religion  ;)
[08:38] <ermo> rubenv: You *CAN* use APSL2 stuff. Just don't expect it to bee included in debian 'main'
[08:38] <Jimbob> Anyone know what's up with breezy's repo and the "invalid signatures" warning.
[08:38] <Jimbob> s/./?/
[08:39] <dtygel> thoreauputic: I made backups, I have backups, but I don't know how to recover only erased messages in them. The problem is that I always erased those messages right after I received them. And now the mailman server that served my mail-list broke down! And I want to recover the e-mails which were subscribed...
[08:40] <rubenv> ermo: that's exactly one of the reasons why I'm not a big Debian fan
[08:40] <rubenv> but that's personal opinion
[08:41] <gaussian88> Anyone here have problems connecting to an LDAP server from the version of EVOLUTION shipped with UBUNTU?????????????????????
[08:42] <Deep6> gaussian88, I do a little I've not looked a lot but I don't know where  to configure it
[08:42] <gaussian88> I put our LDAP setting is the Evolution --> Contacts --> LDAP address book, but the settings just seem to magically disappear.
[08:42] <gaussian88> We have a proper LDAP server.  We connect to it from our Fedora (yuk) computers, but Ubuntu and/or Evolution is having an issue.
[08:43] <gaussian88> should I go into more detail????
[08:43] <ermo> lotusleaf: But isn't politics a sideeffect of people trying to to define what means something to them. For FSF, it's all about the freedom to share your thoughts applied to the domain of software development. Surely that doesn't suck when you stop to think about it?
[08:44] <foo_> has anyone run Sybase ASE on Ubuntu?
[08:44] <ReleaseX> hello all
[08:45] <jamesio2> howdy
[08:45] <Deep6> gaussian88, ok I managed to find out how to set it up now, and I can't connect to ours either...
[08:45] <ermo> lotusleaf: But from that principle comes a sh*tload of bothersome details. And I hate those details too, btw.
[08:45] <HappyFool> i've written a page on the ubuntu wiki, and one of the comments I've made is that it *might* be unsafe to edit /etc/modules -- is this overly conservative? What could realistically go wrong? (page is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto)
[08:46] <gaussian88> Deep6: are you having problems with configuring the "address book properties" under the "details" tab?
[08:46] <Deep6> gaussian88, hold
[08:46] <matthias_> hi there?
[08:47] <gaussian88> Deep6: Regardless of what is entered in the "search base" field, the entries just disappear once the window is closed.
[08:47] <Deep6> gaussian88, I can't even connect
[08:47] <gaussian88> Deep6: Yeah - Because of this, I doubt ANYONE will EVER be able to connect to an LDAP server
[08:47] <gaussian88> hmmmmmm
[08:48] <gaussian88> Don't know if this is an Evolution thing, or an "evolution shipped with Ubuntu" thing.     ;)
[08:48] <ermo> Amaranth: off the top of your head, do you know any alternative to debian-marillat?
[08:48] <Deep6> gaussian88, my search base stays
[08:48] <gaussian88> oh my
[08:48] <Amaranth> ermo: well, the backports folks are working on it, i think
[08:48] <gaussian88> I was afraid of that
[08:48] <Amaranth> ermo: But the backports project seems to be disliked as well. :D
[08:49] <gaussian88> I've installed Ubuntu several times, and none of them kept the settings there
[08:49] <Amaranth> ermo: Because it makes it hard to upgrade to a new version of ubuntu.
[08:50] <Deep6> gaussian88, if it's any consellation mine doesn't work despite me having the correct info
[08:50] <osity> Predius: hey man .....werent you helping me out with raid the other day?
[08:51] <ermo> Amaranth: It may be just me, but how does installing codecs (which I do) affect an entire system, if said codecs are installed in a FSH compatible location? And not only that, but also in a 'debianized' way?
[08:51] <gaussian88> Deep6: your thoughts?
[08:51] <gaussian88> I've got none right now
[08:51] <gaussian88> Time to debug I guess.     :p
[08:51] <gaussian88> :-p
[08:52] <gaussian88> what really bugs me is, if I click "find possible search bases", it finds our search base properly.   and automatically.  It just doesn't connect nor hold the settings in the window.
[08:52] <abarbaccia> hey - anybody here a developer for ubuntu?  I want to know how I can get more involved
[08:53] <gaussian88> I just keep getting "The search did not complete succssfully"
[08:53] <gaussian88> grrrrr
[08:54] <Amaranth> ermo: If Ubuntu hoary has them but the marillat or backports versions are newer they may or may not get upgraded to their Ubuntu breezy versions even if the breezy versions are actually newer
[08:54] <Amaranth> ermo: Although for some packages you would be safe using marillat and backports. If you choose to use them turn them on, install the one package you want, then turn them off right away.
[08:54] <warty> #skate
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> somebody go to linspire.com and see if "your account" exists with your real e-mail address
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> I just went there and they had me logged in and everything
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> first visit.
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> why the hell do they have access to that info?
[08:55] <Amaranth> abarbaccia: #ubuntu-devel is the developer hangout and #ubuntu-motu is the Masters of the Universe channel, the place were universe hackers talk. You'd probably be doing things in universe so you'll want to join both.
[08:55] <ermo> Amaranth: ah. I see where my mistake lies. Your comment is much appreciated.
[08:56] <jamesio2> yesterday someone was asking for help in a programming ide and many people said to use "xxxxx" application... and for the life of me, I can't remember what "xxxxx" was
[08:56] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Are you using a proxy?
[08:56] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I'm not getting logged in.
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  squid proxy here, but it doesn't have anythingi n it.
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  alright then.
[08:56] <ermo> Amaranth: Basically, if I pinned the debian-marrillat repo to have a lower priority be default and then just pinned the codecs package to have a high priority, I would be somewhat safe?
[08:57] <AirWays> Hmm
[08:57] <Amaranth> ermo: Some of those codecs might be in Ubuntu. Only get the ones you absolutely need.
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  maybe I got an account somehow with some site linspire hosts, *shrug* I dunno.  I never saw their site though, I just have an account for no reason.
[08:57] <ermo> Amaranth: since that would give me just the one component (w32codecs) I need?
[08:57] <abarbaccia> Amaranth, thanks for the help
[08:57] <bluefoxicy> at any rate, does anyone have any experiencewith linspire?  o.o we have it at work and I want to sell it.
[08:57] <AirWays> When I'm trying to install aMule and I put this to terminal: sudo apt-get install amule <-- Terminal says to packet not found, why?
[08:58] <jfk303> jamesio2,  eclipse aybe
[08:58] <ermo> Amaranth: methinks fiddling with it a bit is in order ^_^
[08:58] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: We're all Ubuntu users...
[08:59] <jamesio2> jfk303, is that in a repository?  I did a search in synaptic and didn't find it
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  well so am I but I've tried mandrake, suse, red hat, fedora core, slackware, and Gentoo
[09:00] <lok> I look for a hoary backports mirror which works right know
[09:00] <lok> -k
[09:00] <jfk303> jamesio2, give me a minute I can't remember
[09:01] <osity> i nned help setting up raid partitions
[09:01] <osity> *need
[09:01] <AirWays> When I'm trying to install aMule and I put this to terminal: sudo apt-get install amule <-- Terminal says to packet not found, why?
[09:02] <jamesio2> jfk303, no prob.  I did find eclipse.org.  it looks pretty interesting.
[09:02] <jfk303> jamesio2, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EclipseIDE this worked for me...
[09:03] <thenuke> AirWays: Always check http://ubuntuguide.org/ before asking simple questions from IRC
[09:03] <mvirkkil> Any news about the CD shipments?
[09:03] <jamesio2> jfk303, thanks
[09:03] <jfk303> jamesio2,  try #eclipse aswell, there a bit slow but v. friendly...
[09:03] <thenuke> AirWays: Follow every step in there in "how to install amule -section"
[09:03] <AirWays> Well there is only: sudo apt-get install amule
[09:03] <jamesio2> jfk303, "a bit slow" ... is that a comment on their abilities, or their response time?   ;)
[09:04] <thenuke> AirWays: well, you obviously did not read it enough
[09:04] <thenuke> AirWays: and skipped the second part of it.
[09:04] <thenuke> AirWays: 2. #
[09:04] <thenuke> # Read How to add extra repositories?
[09:04] <thenuke> #
[09:04] <thenuke> oops
[09:04] <thenuke> click that link
[09:05] <thenuke> and do what it says, it's not pointed to you in there just for fun you know :)
[09:05] <jfk303> jamesio2, lol no, their abilities are good! lol, just sometimes response times, might be because I'm in the UK
[09:05] <jono> hi all
[09:05] <goldfish_> hi jono
[09:06] <jono> can anyone suggest a simple to set up and use imap server?
[09:06] <jono> hi goldfish_
[09:06] <jfk303> jamesio2, middle of the night etc...???
[09:06] <gaussian88> ACTION <--- would like to ask a favor from a few people here if it's not too much trouble:  Please go to Evolution --> Contacts --> Right click on "on LDAP servers" and create a new address book --> Go to the properties of the new LDAP address book, then go to the DETAILS tab, then enter in anything for the SEARCH BASE.   Click OK, then go back into the properties --> details and see if your settings for the SEARCH BASE are there. 
[09:06] <gaussian88> I would like to know if anyone else if having this issue.
[09:06] <jfk303> :)
[09:06] <jamesio2> jfk303, hehehe... k.  I'm in New Orleans, so I hope I do better.
[09:07] <jamesio2> jfk303, I just wish I could remember what app the guy was asking about.  it looked really impressive.
[09:07] <jamesio2> brb
[09:07] <gaussian88> jono: r u connecting to an existing IMAP server or do you want to CREATE one?
[09:07] <Levander> What the dpkg command to reconfigure my X configuration?  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system" didn't work.
[09:07] <jono> gaussian88, to create one
[09:07] <goldfish_> Levander: xserver-xorg
[09:07] <goldfish_> Levander: if you are on hoary
[09:08] <Levander> thanks goldfish_, am using hoary
[09:08] <goldfish_> kk
[09:08] <gaussian88> jono: Sorry.  I'm no help in that dept.   However, I do know a few people using desknow for their email/collab server.  They seem very happy with it.   probably www.desknow.org or com.
[09:08] <Anubis> http://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/
[09:08] <Amaranth> Anubis: That's old.
[09:08] <Amaranth> Anubis: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:09] <jfk303> jamesio2,  yeah, ok, describe what it did
[09:09] <Anubis> Amaranth, the real question is : Does the "new" one work?
[09:09] <Amaranth> Anubis: Yes.
[09:09] <Amaranth> Anubis: Except that you can't add anything to the new menus you create.
[09:09] <jamesio> jfk303, well it was a c++ ide.  it looked almost exactly like microsoft studio
[09:09] <Amaranth> Anubis: But all the other stuff works.
[09:10] <Amaranth> Anubis: For instance, I couldn't find anything I couldn't delete. :)
[09:10] <jamesio> jfk303, I want to say it started with an A
[09:10] <jfk303> sorry man, no clue
[09:10] <safrax> Anjuta?
[09:10] <jamesio> that's it
[09:10] <jamesio> thanks
[09:10] <jfk303> woo
[09:10] <jamesio> hehe
[09:10] <jamesio> I knew it was an A name
[09:11] <jamesio> my a.d.d. isn't that bad
[09:11] <jfk303> I love this place
[09:12] <jamesio> I'm going to use this place a lot...
[09:12] <jamesio> as I keep telling everyone, I'm "moving my life to linux"
[09:12] <Levander> how do I cancel out of this dpkg-reconfigure script?  Ctrl-C isn't working
[09:12] <Anubis> Amaranth, the damn thing is still broken
[09:12] <Anubis> it does not show the double Realplayer menu entries
[09:13] <Anubis> so I can I delete the duplicate entry?
[09:13] <Anubis> where is the delete option?!
[09:13] <Anubis> lol
[09:13] <Amaranth> Anubis: You need to get the new pyxdg, gnome-menus, and wipe out all your old changes.
[09:13] <Anubis> wow
[09:14] <Amaranth> Anubis: And saying "the damn thing is still broken" doesn't make me want to work on it very much.
[09:14] <Anubis> huh?
[09:14] <Anubis> I don't understand that
[09:14] <jamesio> anyone know of a good desktop wallpaper changer?
[09:14] <Amaranth> Anubis: I'm in the meeting right now, don't have time to explain.
[09:14] <Anubis> why would my menu not be updated if my system is updated?
[09:14] <Amaranth> Anubis: Use the getlatest.py script.
[09:15] <Anubis> k
[09:15] <Anubis> thanks
[09:15] <Anubis> did not mean to offend anyone
[09:15] <osity> where are the raid guys at?
[09:15] <jamesio> and a good system monitor that sits on the desktop?
[09:15] <Anubis> just does not make sense to me to make a DE without a menu editor
[09:15] <Anubis> I'm mad at gnome
[09:16] <Anubis> jamesh, plenty
[09:16] <tritium> Anubis, not all apps have yet started using the freedesktop.org standards.
[09:16] <Anubis> jamesio, plenty
[09:16] <Amaranth> Anubis: They needed to push the new menu spec asap.
[09:16] <Amaranth> And yes, my menu editor doesn't work on apps that don't use the new spec, even though they show up in your menu.
[09:16] <Amaranth> Like crossover office things.
[09:16] <jamesio> anubis, I've always seen people's desktops in the screenshot list, but they never say what they're running
[09:16] <jamesio> anubis, and I always see cool little apps running...
[09:17] <florian> hi
[09:17] <jamesio> anubis, just trying to make a list of things I "need to check out"
[09:18] <florian> what plugins do i need to play mp3s?
[09:18] <shadow255> has anyone seen a problem using Hoary with dialup connection where the system connects with pppd at boot automatically, before the user even logs in?
[09:20] <Anubis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:20] <Anubis>  libgnome-menu0_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb
[09:20] <Anubis>  libgnome-menu0
[09:20] <Anubis> jamesio, gkrellm, gdesktops. Done
[09:21] <Anubis> Amaranth, script was not too nice to me either
[09:21] <Amaranth> Anubis: Oy, I don't know why that happens.
[09:22] <Anubis> and very simply
[09:22] <Anubis> where is the "delete" option
[09:22] <Amaranth> Anubis: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/gnome-menus_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/libgnome-menu0_2.10.1-0ubuntu1+cvs20050425_i386.deb
[09:22] <Amaranth> Anubis: x86 only
[09:23] <Amaranth> Anubis: Then run rm ~/.local/share/applications/* ~/.local/share/desktop-directories/* ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[09:23] <HappyFool> shadow255: what problems are you having?
[09:23] <Amaranth> Anubis: And ignore the warnings that command gives you
[09:24] <shadow255> HappyFool: well, setting up Hoary for a friend who only has dialup, after running pppconfig and making some false starts (wrong username!), got the dial-up working...
[09:24] <Thorrn4> Hello!! I just changed my graphics card, and I cannot boot into Ubuntu...the X Windows, I think it said, is not working (Im on a live cd right now)
[09:25] <shadow255> HappyFool: then initiated the Gnome Modem Monitor to see how it would work for her, with the result being that now every time her system is booted, it automatically dials her ISP before presenting login!
[09:25] <HarrisonF> those pesky gnomes dialing your modem!
[09:25] <jamesio> anubis, thanks.  I'm installing gkrellm now
[09:25] <HappyFool> yeah, i had that too
[09:25] <shadow255> HarrisonF: hehe
[09:25] <HappyFool> I used pppconfig instead
[09:25] <Anubis> Amaranth, will there be a delete option after all this?
[09:25] <Amaranth> Anubis: There is one, yes.
[09:25] <Anubis> thanks
[09:25] <HappyFool> i couldn't figure out how to switch that dialup-on-boot off
[09:25] <Amaranth> Anubis: For entries and menus.
[09:25] <shadow255> HappyFool: pppconfig worked, but I was hoping the panel applet for the modem monitor would make it simpler for her to control the connection
[09:25] <Amaranth> Anubis: And I couldn't find an entry I couldn't delete, even the kde ones.
[09:26] <Thorrn4> can someone help me with my problem?
[09:26] <AirWays> I have put this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary <- to sources.list file and i'm trying to apt-get install amule but terminal says to that file not found
[09:26] <AirWays> Why
[09:26] <HappyFool> shadow255: i don't think the hoary modem applet will help
[09:26] <HappyFool> the warty one did "the right thing"
[09:27] <HappyFool> maybe you can add one launcher to do a "pon", and another to do "poff" ?
[09:27] <shadow255> HappyFool: I've reached the same conclusion, modem lights seemed to work well, modem monitor is a disaster
[09:27] <HappyFool> and add a network monitor to show (sort of) connection status on ppp0
[09:27] <shadow255> HappyFool: yeah, you're right, a script with a panel launcher is probably the way to go
[09:28] <HappyFool> i get the feeling dialup is a poor second cousin these days ;) i guess most people have adsl or something else
[09:28] <shadow255> HappyFool: I think that's right too, unfortunately, not everyone is ready for broadband for various reasons :(
[09:28] <AirWays> I have put this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary <- to sources.list file and i'm trying to apt-get install amule but terminal says to that file not found .. Whats wrong?
[09:29] <shadow255> HappyFool: now that we have that problem of dial-on-boot, what's the best way to get it stopped?
[09:29] <HappyFool> i think i disabled the interface in gnome altogether
[09:29] <shadow255> what a pain ;)
[09:30] <HappyFool> System->Admin->Networking, click on Modem Connection, then Properties, then click the "This device is configured" off
[09:30] <HappyFool> yeah
[09:30] <Anubis> Amaranth, should I restart Gnome or just killall -9 gnome-panel?
[09:30] <Amaranth> Anubis: Shouldn't need to do either.
[09:30] <Anubis> k
[09:30] <HappyFool> i don't see why there isn't a "dialup on boot" setting
[09:30] <HappyFool> daft
[09:30] <Anubis> ahhhh
[09:31] <Anubis> the duplicate is gone!
[09:31] <shadow255> HappyFool: cool, thanks for that tip, going to find out if X forwarding will work with that system (we're a long way from the friend's place!)
[09:31] <Anubis> no need for smeg at the moment!
[09:31] <Amaranth> Anubis: heh
[09:31] <jamesio> anubis, gkrellm is way too cool
[09:31] <Anubis> yes!
[09:31] <Anubis> Amaranth, Thanks man!
[09:31] <jamesio> the plasma hd monitor is funny
[09:31] <teleyinex> hi
[09:31] <Amaranth> Anubis: But if you used smeg to change it and got the duplicate because of that your change is gone.
[09:31] <Anubis> jamesio, it is, glad to be of help.
[09:31] <Levander> If while I'm inside GNOME and X, I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, going back to GDM and have to relogin, does that re-read my xorg.conf file?
[09:32] <teleyinex> i have tried kubuntu-desktop and hangs very easily
[09:32] <Levander> Just need to know because I modified my configuration and want an eay way to test.
[09:32] <teleyinex> dunno why but i have deinstalled
[09:32] <Anubis> Amaranth, Yeah I used the old menu-editor to add Realplayer and it resulted in duplicate that i could not remove
[09:32] <Anubis> until now
[09:32] <Anubis> Very appreceiative
[09:32] <HappyFool> shadow255: good luck ;)
[09:32] <Anubis> I'm obsessive and that was really bugging me
[09:32] <HappyFool> Levander: yeah, i thing it does
[09:32] <Anubis> thanks again
[09:33] <shadow255> HappyFool: many thanks :)
[09:33] <AirWays> I have put this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary <- to sources.list file and i'm trying to apt-get install amule but terminal says to that file not found .. Whats wrong?
[09:33] <Anubis> jamesio, i like the glass and invisible themes for gkrellm
[09:33] <Levander> HappyFool: okay, thanks, it'd be nice to know for sure though...
[09:34] <crimsun> AirWays: the archive is currently broken, it's being fixed.
[09:34] <Anubis> Gdesklets uses Python, and one or both after 14days starts to suck up my swap
[09:34] <crimsun> AirWays: many packages will be uninstallable for a few hours
[09:34] <HappyFool> Levander: guess you've seen this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#restartgnomewithoutreboot
[09:34] <AirWays> Ah okay
[09:35] <Levander> HappyFool: okay, thanks, somebody just said same thing you did in #debian, two sources saying "should" is good enough for me
[09:35] <Levander> HappyFool: thanks
[09:35] <osity> Anyone setup up raid on ubuntu?
[09:36] <jamesio> anubis, where can I get those?
[09:36] <Levander> osity: on #fedora, somebody was telling me ubuntu doesn't have the greatest raid software, supposed to be one of its weaknesses, but I don't know
[09:37] <osity> levander thanks!
[09:37] <zoddan> what is the name of the applet for KDE so i can see my WLAN stat and battery in taskbar ?
[09:38] <blk> hey has anyone tried initng? i did and i'm quite impressed! now i'm looking for someone who'd want to put up a manual into the wiki, maybe even make a deb. (i don't have a lot of experience with creating debs) - there are still some rough edges, main matter is de-gentooing and debianizing these config files
[09:39] <crimsun> blk: you should bring that up in the kickoff meeting (#ubuntu-meeting), but be aware there's an agenda, and the meeting is slated to last quite a while
[09:40] <Echylo> how can you move a whole dir with terminal?
[09:40] <blk> crimsun: ok, i'll inform myself about that meeting
[09:40] <Levander> Echylo: mv -r it think, but the answer to your questin is definitely yes
[09:41] <crimsun> blk: (http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/temp/specs)
[09:41] <Levander> mv -r I think*
[09:41] <Echylo> :)
[09:41] <chrissturm> just mv
[09:41] <Echylo> thanks :)
[09:41] <HappyFool> just mv
[09:41] <Echylo> owke :D
[09:41] <osity> how do i find out what channel a user is in ?
[09:41] <Levander> yeah, i think HappyFool's right about "just mv"
[09:41] <blk> crimsun: thanks
[09:41] <goldfish_> osity: /wi user
[09:41] <chrissturm> ./whois user
[09:41] <osity> thanks
[09:41] <HappyFool> mv <olddir> <wherever>
[09:41] <HappyFool> it would be very hard to move a directory and *not* it's contents, after all ;)
[09:42] <Levander> HappyFool: but if <wherever> already exists, won't that move <olddir> to <wherever>/<olddir>?
[09:42] <Echylo> jup, mv does it work just fine
[09:42] <HappyFool> yeah
[09:42] <Echylo> but It won't overwrite a existing dir
[09:42] <HappyFool> thought that's what he wanted
[09:42] <Levander> HappyFool: think u gotta "rm <olddir>" first
[09:42] <Echylo> how should you move it? if you delete it first?
[09:42] <Levander> or "rm -r <olddir> first
[09:43] <Echylo> the contents need to be moved too
[09:43] <chrissturm> levander: so you remove it and then move it :)
[09:43] <goldfish_> rm -rf <dir?
[09:43] <Levander> your remove the target, then move the source
[09:43] <Levander> goldfish_: yeah, if there are some write protected files, -f will ignore all the warnings about rm'ing them
[09:44] <xc> damn, gnome is slow and sluggish on my p2-400 with 128mb ram
[09:44] <xc> thought it would be still good enough to run ubuntu just fine
[09:45] <Levander> xc: best hardware upgrade would be more memory if possible
[09:45] <xc> yeah I know
[09:45] <xc> but sdram is expensive :P
[09:45] <SymGeosis> Is anybody else having problems with Backports? I keep getting "500 not found" error messages
[09:45] <Levander> xc: sometimes I start swapping and things get slow with 512MB
[09:45] <Levander> but I run a lotta servers sometimes
[09:45] <Levander> that I'm developing with
[09:45] <xc> checking ebay for a good ram deal now
[09:45] <Levander> SymGeosis: ppl are recommended not to use backports because of problems like that
[09:45] <HappyFool> xc: how about something like xfce? (not that i've used it, but it's supposed to be lightweight?)
[09:46] <djm62> xc: ebuyer might be as good
[09:46] <shadow255> xc: anything below pIII is probably best run headless nowadays, or with an extremely minimalist desktop environment
[09:46] <Levander> SymGeosis: that one just means that backports is down
[09:46] <xc> HappyFool: might be worth a try
[09:46] <djm62> xc: they price stuff dynamically, so you can wait for the volatile RAM market to go down before you buy
[09:46] <SymGeosis> Levander, I figured that though being new to Ubuntu I wasn't sure. Any other suggestions for package servers then?
[09:46] <Levander> SymGeosis: I stick to the ubuntu repositories
[09:47] <SymGeosis> Alright then.
[09:47] <Levander> SymGeosis: what do u need not in the ubuntu ones?
[09:47] <djm62> I have used gnome2 on an original pentium...
[09:47] <Levander> SymGeosis: don't install anything unless your going to use it
[09:48] <Levander> SymGeosis: if you want something that the ubuntuguide pionts you somewhere else for, it's prolly not in the ubuntu repositories
[09:48] <SymGeosis> Well, I wouldn't see much reason in installing something I *didn't* need. ;)
[09:48] <Levander> SymGeosis: your best bet would be to get it from wherever ubuntuguide tells you to get it from, seems like writers of that page knew what they were talking about, prolly recommend good sources
[09:49] <Levander> SymGeosis: you'd be surprised, i was talking to a guy on here a couple of days ago who was just installing everything that sounded neat
[09:49] <SymGeosis> Levander, bah.
[09:49] <aeolist> what's so weird about that?
[09:49] <aeolist> if he was totally new
[09:49] <aeolist> it's ok
[09:49] <Levander> SymGeosis: ubuntuguide doesn't recommend using backports anywhere does it?
[09:49] <SymGeosis> I can't imagine what one would need outside of IRC, IM, and coding tools.
[09:50] <SymGeosis> It was in the wiki...
[09:50] <Levander> aeolist: i just had to tell him not to do that was all
[09:50] <Adyeths> I install stuff that sounds neat. to see what its like. (but then I uninstall it if I don't like it. heh.)
[09:50] <Levander> Adyeths: yeah, but this guy was like installing all of merillat, which isn't even based on ubuntu even though most of the stuff installs okay
[09:51] <Adyeths> ouch. heh.
[09:51] <Levander> and he was asking me why he was having problems with the install
[09:51] <Levander> i fixed one or two before i realized what he was doing
[09:51] <Thorrn4> Hello!! I'm having a problem...I recently changed my Graphics Card, and now I cannot boot into Ubuntu...what must I do? (I'm on a Live cd)
[09:51] <Adyeths> heh
[09:51] <drspin> sucks that k3b has to be run as root :/
[09:51] <HappyFool> what card?
[09:52] <Levander> Thorrn4: you sure that the hardware card is plugged into the motherboard correctly?  That's just the first thing to check
[09:52] <Thorrn4> an NVidia 5200
[09:52] <SymGeosis> Levander, here's the link: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowCome
[09:52] <shadow255> drspin: what sucks even more is that that's not always the case ;)
[09:52] <Adyeths> oooh, why doens't ubuntu include setserial? I needed that to get my modem to work. (yes, I'm one of those unfortunate souls that still uses dialup)
[09:52] <drspin> but the simplest way to burn music cd's
[09:52] <osity> where can i get ubuntu raid partitioner help?
[09:52] <drspin> shadow255: please explina
[09:52] <drspin> *explain
[09:52] <tritium> Adyeths, you can install it
[09:52] <Adyeths> I did.
[09:53] <Adyeths> but... had I not made sure my modem worked with what was on the cd I wouldn't have been able to get online.
[09:53] <Levander> Adyeths: that looks like a good page, also, use http://www.ubuntuguide.org - any time there's something not on my system, i check that page first before I install it to see if it says anything about it
[09:53] <Thorrn4> Levander, my Mepis Live CD seems to find it...it was loaded in the boot u
[09:53] <Adyeths> and unfortunately, setserial isn't on the cd. (but fortunately for me I was smart enough to make sure I had it before installing. heh.)
[09:53] <Thorrn4> p
[09:53] <shadow255> drspin: it seems to vary from install to install, hardware has a lot to do with it, but some people don't have problems with burning with kernel 2.6.x as non-root, while others can't do it
[09:53] <Levander> Thorrn4: so then the hardware is plugged in correctly
[09:54] <drspin> shadow255: I had no trouble in warty
[09:54] <Levander> Thorrn4: sorry, don't know much about the LiveCD
[09:54] <drspin> shadow255: perhaps drive permissions
[09:54] <shadow255> drspin: could be that, depends on what errors you're getting when you try as non-superuser
[09:54] <Adyeths> that was actually the only thing that gave me any trouble with installing ubuntu.
[09:54] <drspin> won't detect the media...
[09:54] <drspin> shadow255: won't detect the media
[09:55] <Adyeths> btw, I love this thing. It may be my imagination but things just seem to look better in ubuntu.
[09:57] <Adyeths> me too. and so was my friend.
[09:57] <SymGeosis> Got tired of always messing around with config files in FreeBSD.
[09:57] <SymGeosis> And compiling stuff.
[09:58] <Adyeths> everything just works. no fighting with things.
[09:58] <Adyeths> thats not something I'm used to. lol.
[09:58] <organon> that sounds too good :)
[09:59] <HappyFool> Adyeths: hah. try getting a winmodem to work ;) (wasn't too hard, but did requiring patching and compiling)
[09:59] <shadow255> Adyeths: I second that...  updated an outdated installation of RH (7.1!) with Hoary and found things working that didn't work before :)
[09:59] <Adyeths> I don't have a winmodem thank god. lol.
[09:59] <SymGeosis> Feh, winmodems == the bane of my existence.
[10:00] <HappyFool> yeah. i sacrifice ram chips to the adsl gods every night, but no luck
[10:00] <Marble2> Why does my sound keep skipping in amarok, it just started
[10:03] <crimsun> Marble2: which backend are you using? (engine)
[10:04] <Marble2> xine
[10:04] <Marble2> but videos play fine using totem-xine
[10:04] <Marble2> soundwise
[10:04] <Marble2> so I don't think it's the engine
[10:04] <theDCp-> hello
[10:05] <theDCp-> wow there are alot of ubuntu supporters
[10:05] <goldfish_> theDCp-: hey
[10:05] <theDCp-> hey
[10:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> anyone know of opensource software that downloads streaming media?
[10:06] <Marble2> crimsun?
[10:06] <SymGeosis> helix
[10:06] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, streamripper
[10:06] <crimsun> Marble2: try mv'ing ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/ and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc out of the way and restarting amarok
[10:06] <theDCp-> ok I be back some other time tc all
[10:06] <crimsun> Marble2: sorry, I'm both at work and in a meeting right now
[10:06] <theDCp-> !kill
[10:06] <mvirkkil> Any news about the CD shipments?
[10:07] <Marble2> ok
[10:07] <tritium> FlyingSquirrel32, I found icecream and streamripper (apt-cache search stream | grep download)
[10:07] <Marble2> ty
[10:07] <osity> how do i find people in other channels?
[10:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> cool, thanks
[10:08] <tritium> FlyingSquirrel32, apt-cache search is very useful...
[10:08] <Adyeths> I about went nuts waiting for the cd's I ordered. Fortunately a good soul who has a cable modem downloaded the cd images and burned them for me. heh.
[10:08] <SymGeosis> osity, You could try a whois.
[10:08] <osity> whats the command
[10:08] <jamesio> anyone have any experience with freenx?
[10:08] <SymGeosis> ...if you know their nick.
[10:08] <goldfish_> osity: whoa re you looking for?
[10:09] <osity> a guy named anethema
[10:09] <SymGeosis> osity, /whois [nick] 
[10:09] <osity> anethema No such nick/channel
[10:09] <HappyFool> more likely anathema, if memory serves
[10:09] <HappyFool> he's a reg here, isn't he?
[10:09] <osity> i guesss that means he's not on
[10:09] <osity> i thnk so
[10:10] <osity> it's anethema......
[10:10] <osity> HappyFool: have you setup raid on ubuntu ?
[10:11] <HappyFool> nope, sorry
[10:11] <osity> has anyone done any raid on ubuntu?
[10:12] <HappyFool> nothing on the wiki, i take it?
[10:12] <Fackamato> osity: Shouldn't be any problems, it's kernel specific, Ubuntu has very little to do with it
[10:12] <osity> Fackamato: i dont know how to partiotion
[10:12] <Fackamato> cfdisk device
[10:13] <osity> i at the screen but im not sure how to partition it
[10:13] <osity> if you manually partition it gives an option for raid config
[10:13] <HappyFool> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1 seems a little cryptic. and may be applicable to warty only (?)
[10:13] <SymGeosis> Though if you want to use fdisk you're going to need to read the man page to figure out what you want to do.
[10:14] <goldfish_> how do you make a folder world writeable?
[10:14] <goldfish_> what chmod value .....
[10:14] <HappyFool> chmod o+rwx <foldername>
[10:14] <queuetue> Sorry, offtopic : U.S. Citizens, the REAL ID act is being voted on tomorrow.  To learn more about this "easily machine readable national ID card and database" and contact your senators, go to http://www.unrealid.com - and that's all I'll say about it.
[10:14] <HappyFool> or maybe "chmod -R o+rwX foldername", or something like that to change contents too
[10:15] <goldfish_> yeah it's empty i just want it world writeable though
[10:15] <goldfish_> thanks guys
[10:17] <HappyFool> oisty: read this? http://www.linux-sxs.org/hardware/raid_for_idiots.html
[10:17] <snugglebunny> queuetue, just welcome your new machine overlords with open arms.
[10:17] <osity> thanks happy!
[10:17] <HappyFool> not ubuntu specific, i don't think
[10:18] <WeirdAl> Hello. I've installed rar and unrar and I still can't extract a multipart rar file
[10:18] <WeirdAl> It just says "failed"
[10:18] <JairunCaloth> do you have all of the rar files required
[10:18] <WeirdAl> Yep
[10:19] <IFR> Hi all, yet another bloody wifi question with 5.04. No GUI will allow me to configure my SUPPORTED card (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino) ipw2200 which, according to the Ubuntu Hardware Suport Wifi Network Cards wiki, works out of the box) AND repeated postings on the forums have failed. Has ANYONE else had this issue?
[10:19] <JairunCaloth> Do you have any par files or any other way to check the integrity of the files that make up the archive?
[10:19] <IFR> I have used command line iwconig which SOMETIMES gets the desired result
[10:19] <WeirdAl> I don't see a par file.
[10:19] <IFR> But it is as if ubuntu locks up the card and intermittantly interferes with the dhcp
[10:19] <djm62> I thought we were due a load of mutually incompatible ID cards across the world, all with state-of-the-art (ie untested) encryption, and central databases that any ID thieves can get access to?
[10:20] <djm62> a world of...profit ;)
[10:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> Those programs didn't work. I think those are only for shoutcast. I need something like "stream down" for linux.
[10:21] <WeirdAl> I do have one way to check the integrity
[10:24] <SymGeosis> I don't remember what I set my root password too. =(
[10:24] <WeirdAl> use sudo
[10:24] <AMIGrAve> is ubuntu supposed to be installable on a 64Mo i386 computer ?
[10:24] <WeirdAl> reset it with sudo passswd
[10:24] <HappyFool> or just stick to sudo
[10:24] <SymGeosis> WeirdAl, good idea. Don't usually install sudo on my boxes so that never occured to me.
[10:25] <WeirdAl> Standard with ubuntu
[10:25] <SymGeosis> Yeah.
[10:25] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, what streams do you want to save?
[10:25] <HappyFool> if you really need a shell you can do sudo -s, or sudo -H -s
[10:25] <Thorrn4> Hello!! What do I need to do to get my new Graphics Card to work? I just changed it...and not X server will not load
[10:25] <zL0w4zer0> I have a question about the Ubuntu 5.04 add-on. A couple of days ago I downloaded and installed this cd, but today I saw that there war a new version available. Can I just install the new add-on cd over the old one?
[10:25] <Fackamato> Thorrn4: details please
[10:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth, I need to record one of these webcasts. http://www.viavid.net/detailpage.aspx?sid=00002454
[10:26] <JairunCaloth> Well, that only took a about 6 or 7 hours
[10:26] <yamlo> When debian releases Sarge, will ubuntu make use of the update or has Ubuntu already taken a different path from Woody?
[10:26] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, ah your clue might be the evil .aspx in the URL
[10:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth, and...
[10:27] <mjr> yamlo, ubuntu is forked from debian sid somewhat independently of debian releases
[10:27] <Rubin> yamlo: ubuntu starts with sid
[10:27] <mjr> ubuntu releases, that is
[10:27] <yamlo> hmmm... it's sad really...
[10:27] <Rubin> yamlo: and has its own release cycle unrelated to debian's
[10:27] <WeirdAl> ta-ta
[10:27] <yamlo> Ubuntu should make use of it
[10:27] <Thorrn4> I recently changed my Video Card, from a Radeon 7000 to a NVidia 5200.....when I tried to boot it up, I get an X server error....and the GUI could not load
[10:27] <crimsun> AMIGrAve: yes, I've done several on 32 with a bit of low mem fudgery
[10:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nalioth, the url to the actual file is: vmedia01.viavid.com/audio\00002454.asf
[10:27] <Rubin> yamlo: ubuntu is already past it
[10:28] <Burgundavia> yamlo, most of Ubuntu is newer than Sarge
[10:28] <Fackamato> What do I type to check all the current tcp connections? not lsof..
[10:28] <HappyFool> netstat
[10:28] <Burgundavia> yamlo, Ubuntu is based on Sid, the rolling unstable
[10:28] <yamlo> Burgundavia, well, that's great...
[10:28] <Rubin> Fackamato: netstat
[10:28] <HappyFool> e.g., netstat -ant
[10:28] <Burgundavia> yamlo, was that supposed to be sarcastic?
[10:28] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, you are dealing with the evil empires standard
[10:28] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, stand by i'm gettin you  a URL to poke a hole in their armor
[10:29] <yamlo> Burgundavia, no.. sorry... I mean, it's great!! I didn't want to feel old with Ubuntu.. but this is good news...
[10:29] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid adhfhdaf
[10:29] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 | grep -i essid
[10:29] <paulsen-> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[10:29] <paulsen-> What on earth am I doing wrong here?
[10:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> awsome...
[10:29] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, here you go, have fun! http://www.geocities.com/majormms/
[10:29] <Burgundavia> yamlo, just after Ubuntu releases, it syncs to Debian sid again, and then stays synced until the Upstream version freeze
[10:29] <Thorrn4> what can I do to fix it?
[10:29] <Nalioth> FlyingSquirrel32, i believe you will have to compile yourself, but it is worth it. with this you can download audio and video streams encoded in uncle billz codec
[10:30] <paulsen-> I'm using hoarty, and a Linksys WMP54GS PCI-card
[10:30] <paulsen-> ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 (Linksys,02/19/2004, 3.50.21.11) loaded
[10:30] <paulsen-> any idea why it refuses to accept my essid setting?
[10:30] <yamlo> Burgundavia, what is sid?
[10:30] <Burgundavia> yamlo, Debian Unstable's codename
[10:30] <Amaranth> Most of ubuntu isn't newer than sarge. Someone did a large report on this.
[10:31] <Brooklyn_> Hi'
[10:32] <osity> anyone use the raid tools in the ubuntu partitioner
[10:32] <osity> ?
[10:32] <paulsen-> :|
[10:32] <lok> Amaranth Most of ubuntu isn't newer than sarge. Someone did a large report on this. <AHAHAHAH
[10:32] <chrissturm> how can i use find to remove all CVS dirs from a tree?
[10:32] <Brooklyn_> Can someone link me to the install guide, I cant seem to find the full guide for all the different platforms on the wiki
[10:32] <Amaranth> lok: ...
[10:32] <lok> well sarge will be realesed with gcc 3.3
[10:32] <Amaranth> lok: So was hoary.
[10:32] <lok> hoary 3.4
[10:33] <Amaranth> not for C++
[10:33] <paulsen-> why would one need the latest gcc version?
[10:33] <lok> look at kde gnome etc... versions are all below hoary's
[10:33] <thenuke> thenuke@Hero:~$ g++ --version
[10:33] <thenuke> g++ (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[10:33] <thenuke> ?
[10:33] <Amaranth> Those are the large noticable things.
[10:33] <Amaranth> hoary is ahead there
[10:33] <thenuke> so what's that "not for C++"
[10:34] <Amaranth> thenuke: I said C++ was using 3.3
[10:34] <Amaranth> thenuke: I guess C is too.
[10:34] <lok> paulsen, I don't need it but I can't stand when I heard that sarge will be more up to date than hoary
[10:34] <HappyFool> somebody claimed 3.4 for hoary
[10:34] <paulsen-> Well, I dont know about you guys
[10:34] <Amaranth> lok: You need to learn more before you try to talk about this.
[10:34] <crimsun> the default gcc is 3.3, as is g++
[10:34] <thenuke> oh ok
[10:34] <paulsen-> but I rather run welltested packages than bleeding edge
[10:34] <paulsen-> hence, I choose to run ubuntu instead of gentoo
[10:34] <paulsen-> :-)
[10:34] <Brooklyn_> anyone
[10:34] <paulsen-> Do anyone here have any experience in using 802.11 under ubuntu?
[10:35] <Brooklyn_> Can someone link me to the install guide, I cant seem to find the full guide for all the different platforms on the wiki
[10:35] <crimsun> for breezy, gcc 4.0, and at least g++ 3.4
[10:35] <paulsen-> I'm about to rip myself bald if I cant get this fixed soon
[10:35] <thread> Brooklyn_: I seem to have a bit of it now
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: yup.
[10:35] <thread> Brooklyn_: ask
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: all three of my boxes use 802.11
[10:35] <paulsen-> usynic: I'm having big problems getting it to work
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: what chipset?
[10:35] <paulsen-> usynic: this is the famous broadcom chip
[10:35] <Thorrn4> What do I need to do to get my new Graphics Card to work? I just changed it...and not X server will not load.  I recently changed my Video Card, from a Radeon 7000 to a NVidia 5200.....when I tried to boot it up, I get an X server error....and the GUI could not load
[10:35] <paulsen-> whats the command to list pci devices again?
[10:35] <usynic> lspci
[10:35] <usynic> paulsen-: you'll probably need ndiswrapper
[10:36] <tritium> FlyingSquirrel32, xine and gxine can also save streams...
[10:36] <paulsen-> usynic: I have it installed and configured like the howto at the wiki tells me to
[10:36] <crimsun> Thorrn4: did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:36] <Fackamato> Thorrn4: remove the ati drivers, install the nvidia drivers
[10:36] <paulsen-> 0000:00:06.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[10:36] <Fackamato> and then follow crimsun's delightly instructions
[10:36] <Brooklyn_> am i doing something wrong
[10:36] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# ndiswrapper -l
[10:36] <paulsen-> Installed ndis drivers:
[10:36] <paulsen-> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[10:36] <Nalioth> tritium, he wants to save those nasty asx and asf streams
[10:36] <paulsen-> usynic: check this out..
[10:36] <usynic> paulsen-: what does iwconfig show?
[10:36] <HappyFool> Brooklyn_: what are you trying to do?
[10:37] <Nalioth> tritium, i sent him here http://www.geocities.com/majormms/
[10:37] <tritium> Nalioth, I've even saved .wmv streams
[10:37] <Nalioth> tritium, yes, thats what asf and asx points to
[10:37] <Brooklyn_> I want the full install guie for the different platforms
[10:37] <Thorrn4> Fackamato, how do I remove the ATI driver?
[10:37] <Nalioth> tritium wmv and wma files
[10:37] <Brooklyn_> I cant find it on the wiki
[10:37] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid poopcake
[10:37] <paulsen-> root@ubuntu:~# iwconfig wlan0 | grep ESSID
[10:37] <paulsen-> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any
[10:37] <paulsen-> this is ndiswrapper 1.1 aswell
[10:37] <tritium> Nalioth, right, I've saved them without the need of anything other than xine
[10:38] <crimsun> Thorrn4: you need to select the nv driver first using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:38] <Nalioth> tritium, lots of providers won't let you direct d/l them, tho
[10:38] <crimsun> Thorrn4: then follow the directions on wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:38] <paulsen-> usynic: any idea what to try next?
[10:38] <tritium> Nalioth, they can't tell, though
[10:38] <paulsen-> usynic: I did actually manage to get the wifi link up once.. with a latency of 19000ms...
[10:38] <Nalioth> tritium, i prefer using mmsclient over wading and parsing a mile-long-line of URL or code
[10:38] <usynic> paulsen-: did you try passing acpi=noirq to the kernel?
[10:39] <paulsen-> usynic: this also is a brand new fresh-out-of-the-box linksys card.. it's 2 hours old :P
[10:39] <paulsen-> no
[10:39] <Brooklyn_> uhg
[10:39] <Thorrn4> Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available.
[10:39] <Nalioth> tritium, there is a xine-plugin, also at that site
[10:39] <paulsen-> I'll try that. Where do I set that?
[10:39] <HappyFool> Brooklyn_: i'm not sure that comprehensive install guides exist. what platform are you having problems with?
[10:39] <usynic> in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:39] <HappyFool> Brooklyn_: I presume you've read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallHowTo
[10:39] <tritium> Nalioth, ?
[10:39] <paulsen-> usynic: does it need to be inserted at any special place or just at the bottom?
[10:40] <usynic> paulsen-: on the kernel line
[10:40] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: did you look into the gnome blog bug?
[10:40] <osity> i need help with raid!
[10:40] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: no, I've not.
[10:40] <Amaranth> lok: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/04/14#2005-04-14-sarge-v-hoary
[10:40] <usynic> osity: pretty easy, you just point and spray.
[10:40] <paulsen-> usynic: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash acpi=noirq
[10:40] <osity> usynic : :)
[10:40] <paulsen-> usynic: like that?
[10:40] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: ok
[10:40] <usynic> paulsen: yeah
[10:40] <tritium> Nalioth, e.g., Nalioth, I'm talking about, e.g., xine http://some.server.com/some/stream.wmv#save:/tmp/stream.wmv
[10:41] <paulsen-> usynic: ok, I'll reboot the box to test. brb.
[10:41] <seth_slackware> Hey
[10:41] <seth_slackware> My mics not working in TeamSpeck 2
[10:41] <mamagata> hallo
[10:41] <seth_slackware> I have it turned up in alsamixer
[10:41] <thread> I have a Dell 700m that shuts off completely when I tell it to hibernate. When I turn it back on, it boots with the bios, but once linux starts booting it seems to (sometimes) properly resume from the hibernate. Is it supposed to boot back up w/bios screens and all when I turn it back on?
[10:41] <seth_slackware> what else can I check
[10:41] <seth_slackware> ?
[10:41] <mamagata> new ubunter user
[10:41] <usynic> seth_slackware: maybe try #slackware :P
[10:41] <seth_slackware> I am on ubuntu
[10:41] <mamagata> please help me
[10:41] <Nalioth> tritium, at http://www.geocities.com/majormms/ there is both a standalone client and a xine-plugin
[10:41] <usynic> thread: yes, it's using swsusp
[10:42] <mamagata> i installed ubuntu but i have old files on windows partitions
[10:42] <Nalioth> mamagata, please state the nature of your medical emergency.
[10:42] <thread> usynic: there isn't a way to get it to resume any nicer?
[10:42] <mamagata> and they are not on the ubutu desktop
[10:42] <tritium> Nalioth, I don't mind typing "#save:filename" at the end of an MRL
[10:42] <thread> usynic: is this acpi stuff that is still being developed in the linux kernel?
[10:43] <Nalioth> tritium, you are an old dog (linux wise) and know many tricks
[10:43] <yamlo> I really like the fixedsys font in Windows, is there a way to install it on ubuntu?
[10:43] <tritium> Nalioth, hey, 31 isn't that old! ;)
[10:43] <usynic> thread: that's what happens if you suspend to disk... you have the suspend to ram option sometimes
[10:43] <Nalioth> tritium, i said linux-wise
[10:44] <thread> usynic: that method doesn't shut the machine off completely, right? you're still consuming some power
[10:44] <mamagata> hey guys, it's a bit too confused, i look on the web
[10:44] <tritium> Nalioth, :-)
[10:44] <mamagata> C ya
[10:44] <Nalioth> tritium, i'm almost 40, been using linux for over 5 years and don't know Dick (or Jane, either)
[10:44] <usynic> thread: yup.
[10:44] <lok>  1565 (50%) are newer than sarge.  908 (29%) are newer in sarge than hoary  << so it's what I told you
[10:44] <usynic> thread: but hibernate in windows would do the same thing... you'd get the bios screen
[10:45] <yamlo> Nalioth, why don't you buy CBT software.. it'll teach you
[10:45] <thread> usynic: could you point me in the right direction for getting my Fn-Esc (Stand by) key to work? it currently does nothing.
[10:45] <AMIGrAve> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a 500Mhz celeron laptop with 64Mo ram, I always get this error (in an installer dialog box red backgrounded title "Install the base system") when it install packages : the error is : "Not installing to unclean target"  PS: I installed on a partition that I choosed to format
[10:45] <usynic> thread: I have no idea - I didn't have to do anything for mine to work
[10:46] <thread> usynic: dell?
[10:46] <usynic> it's a thinkpad
[10:46] <thread> k.. I'll have to research that
[10:46] <thread> usynic: thanks for the answers!
[10:46] <usynic> np
[10:47] <paulsen> I have a short term memory, where are you, the person who just helped me?
[10:47] <goldfish_> usynic i think it was.
[10:48] <paulsen> you are like the magic man!
[10:48] <paulsen> .. or women!
[10:48] <usynic> yeah
[10:48] <usynic> whoa
[10:48] <usynic> way too close
[10:48] <paulsen> perhaps that little kernel setting should be mentioned on the wifi page in the wiki
[10:48] <usynic> unless you're a hotty.
[10:48] <usynic> :)
[10:48] <usynic> paulsen: they mention it in the troubleshooting section
[10:48] <paulsen> hm.
[10:48] <paulsen> guess I didnt notice that
[10:49] <usynic> I didn't notice it either at first.
[10:49] <paulsen> I was busy thinking about killing someone with a shovel
[10:49] <usynic> I had to ask in #ndiswrapper, where they proceeded to make fun of my stupidity.
[10:49] <paulsen> I tried earlier to get a D-Link DWL-520+ card to work
[10:49] <paulsen> it hardlocked and paniced the kernel
[10:49] <paulsen> I had like 98731497613597613975313 entries in dmesg
[10:49] <paulsen> tx flood
[10:49] <sbcl3_> anyone know how to install a firefox theme?
[10:50] <sbcl3_> i have a .jar file but don't know what to do with it
[10:50] <paulsen> threw the card in the trash and went out and bought two new linksys cards
[10:50] <JairunCaloth> I havn't isntalled any in linux yet
[10:50] <paulsen> and then I couldnt get those to work either..
[10:50] <paulsen> :-)
[10:50] <|QuaD-_> anyone here using blam? anyone reccomend it over liferea?
[10:50] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[10:51] <paulsen> now
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE> I'm having a bit of trouble installing gstreamer-0.8-faad anyone mind giving me a hand?
[10:51] <Nalioth> REBELinBLUE, what sort of trouble?
[10:51] <paulsen> usynic: I visisted a site somwhere but I forgot to bookmark it.. It had links for different X tools to see signal strength etc
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE> synaptic gives me the following error
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE> gstreamer0.8-faad:
[10:51] <REBELinBLUE>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[10:51] <paulsen> usynic: any idea what the name of those things was?
[10:52] <crimsun> REBELinBLUE: make sure you're using the testing debian-marillat repo, not the unstable one
[10:52] <paulsen> usynic: I think one of them had "radar" in the name.. the other one was some kind of GNOME applet
[10:52] <usynic> paulsen: there's network-monitor for the gnome panel
[10:52] <REBELinBLUE> oh that looks like it, had both testing and unstable in there
[10:52] <REBELinBLUE> just checking.....
[10:53] <paulsen> usynic: hm, network-monitor wasnt exactly verbose
[10:53] <paulsen> usynic: the applet I saw a screenshot of had much more info about the wireless stuff
[10:54] <paulsen> (and a list of aviable SSID's)
[10:54] <usynic> oh, I dunno
[10:54] <amaro> This happens on a daily basis: when I open synaptic, it open in the taskpar, my mouse is in the waiting state, and then after 20 to 30 seconds, it disappears.
[10:54] <amaro> Why does this happen?
[10:55] <usynic> brb
[10:56] <REBELinBLUE> thats it crimsun, thanks you're a star
[10:56] <REBELinBLUE> paulsen usynic: the applet I saw a screenshot of had much more info about the wireless stuff --- Sounds like NetworkManager?
[10:57] <Burgundavia> REBELinBLUE, network manger is going to be in breezy
[10:57] <REBELinBLUE> ah right
[10:57] <paulsen> REBELinBLUE: yeah, thats it. thanks.
[10:57] <paulsen> breezy is the next ubuntu release?
[10:57] <REBELinBLUE> yeh
[10:58] <paulsen> hm, its only aviable as rpm
[10:58] <paulsen> perhaps there is a debian package for it.
[10:58] <Tezkah> breezy boozer
[10:58] <REBELinBLUE> damn, I thought gstreamer0.8-faad would allow me to play AAC files :(
[10:59] <amaro> if a certain package needs a certain library with a lower version than the one installed. What should I do?
[10:59] <Tezkah> does the isntaller partition harddrives like the Mandrake one used to?
[10:59] <amaro> Should I install both?
[10:59] <Tezkah> I have an NTFS drive (oops), and I'd like to dual boot
[10:59] <Tezkah> should I make an empty partion beforehand?
[11:00] <goldfish_> the installer does the partitioning for you
[11:00] <goldfish_> just give it free space to partition
[11:00] <Tezkah> excellent
[11:01] <punkrockguy318> what's  a good IRC channel for C programming?
[11:01] <amaro> #C
[11:01] <Burgundavia> Tezkah, you will need to do custom paritioning, otherwise it will wipe out your NTFS partition
[11:01] <amaro> lol
[11:02] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[11:02] <steingrd> hm. i've never tried ubuntu before, so i put it on my laptop today (had to boot it through my lan...). it installed through a curses interface, it took a while, but it never actually set up X or anything. i'm guessing that ain't normal?
[11:02] <Tezkah> ruh roh
[11:02] <Burgundavia> steingrd, curses interface is normal
[11:02] <Burgundavia> steingrd, did you choose expert install?
[11:02] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: did you choose 'server' installation?
[11:03] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: uhm, i was never presented with such a choice...
[11:03] <dataw0lf|w> Warty?
[11:03] <Marble2> how can I create a bash file that simply loops a command over and over again
[11:03] <Tezkah> cron?
[11:04] <Marble2> I could do a cron
[11:04] <Marble2> but it seems easier in bash
[11:04] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: no, 5.04 hoary
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w> Marble2: while true
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w>     do
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w> #your command
[11:04] <dataw0lf|w>     done
[11:05] <Mabus> Hi, I just flashed my BIOS, and when I rebooted, GRUB just comes up with the string "GRUB _" on the screen, and nothing happens .. Any tips/hints on how to fix it ?
[11:05] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: huh.  Type 'startx' at the command prompt and tell me what, if any, errors are output.
[11:05] <Mabus> GRUB is loaded from the MBR, I thought, so I don't see how a BIOS flash can affect it ?
[11:05] <La_PaRCa> Hey kids. Anyone know if the hoary cds shipped yet?
[11:05] <dataw0lf|w> as well, if it doesn't start X, /priv me your X log
[11:05] <ifr> Any wifi gurus out there?
[11:06] <transgress> define gurus
[11:06] <Tezkah> right click on the Windows Taskbar, repair connection
[11:06] <dataw0lf|w> man iwconfig
[11:06] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: it starts X with 640x480 or something, without a window manager, no windows or anything
[11:06] <ifr> One who can help me troubleshoot a problem with a supported card past the gui interface!
[11:06] <airox> Hi.
[11:06] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: so ctrl-alt-backspace it, go to your log, and tell me whats there
[11:06] <ifr> Hi airox
[11:06] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: ok, one sec
[11:06] <airox> Anyone ever used VMware in Ubuntu ?
[11:06] <transgress> ah then dataw0lf|w was right... man iwconfig
[11:07] <REBELinBLUE> i have to use iwconfig to get my wifi connection up and running, the GUI interface is pretty useless
[11:07] <airox> I got it working, but there it doesn't detects my disc when booting up VMware.
[11:07] <ifr> Er, yes I';ve done that thanks. Anyone else?
[11:07] <ifr> Yes I agree, and I am having problems intermittently with the command line as well!
[11:07] <REBELinBLUE> no mode, channel/frequency options etc
[11:07] <ifr> I'm running a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (Centrino) ipw2200
[11:07] <dataw0lf|w> what type of problems?
[11:07] <Moe|Joe> hi people, i jus installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad 600x and after i log in...nothing happens
[11:07] <ifr> which according to the ubuntu 5.04 page works out of the bo with everything
[11:08] <dataw0lf|w> cats and dogs falling from the sky?
[11:08] <thread> ifr: it seems to for me...
[11:08] <ifr> However I keep gtting shunted off networks. nd once that happens nothing I have tried short of restart (and not always that) allows it to reacquire a dhcp lease
[11:08] <ifr> yes thread?
[11:09] <ifr> Thread, you have the same card?
[11:09] <thread> ifr: have you installed whereami, waproamd, or any of these auto network configurator deailios?
[11:09] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: well, first of all my logs are in norwegian... but it looks like gconfd is started and then there are some gconfd messages about gnome.xml.defaults and a write protected configuration source (heh, messages in norwegian look funny, crappy translation and hard to translate back into english)
[11:09] <thread> ifr: yes but I don't think your problem is with the card or the drivers, but the software controlling them
[11:09] <ifr> No, I have not. Thanks for that
[11:09] <ifr>  I agree entirely
[11:09] <ifr> which one of those worked for you>
[11:09] <ifr> ?
[11:09] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: hm, that sucks.
[11:09] <thread> none
[11:09] <thread> they're what cause that problem for me sometimes
[11:09] <Moe|Joe> hi people, i jus installed ubuntu on my ibm thinkpad 600x and after i log in...nothing happens...how do i get it working?
[11:10] <Moe|Joe> got the last release of ubuntu works fine
[11:10] <airox> Sorry, it's already working :)
[11:10] <ifr> Yes. I haveuninstalled all third party atempts to "help"
[11:10] <Tezkah> 8gigs enough for ubuntu!
[11:10] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: yeah...
[11:10] <steingrd> :)
[11:10] <ifr> and now do stright up iwconfig commands
[11:10] <airox> Tezkah: Yes!
[11:10] <ifr> which work until they do not.
[11:10] <thread> I finally figured out how to get on my encrypted wap, and it seems t o be stable for me... maybe it happens when there's multiple waps in the area?
[11:10] <Tezkah> all right
[11:10] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: Um... learn English? ;)
[11:10] <zenlunatic> is there a ubuntu ppc channel?
[11:10] <thread> ifr: at any rate, I highly recommend you try out netapplet
[11:10] <dataw0lf|w> well, not learn it, you're obviously english speaking.
[11:10] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: :P it's my norwegian->english that's bad
[11:10] <ifr> netapplet eh?
[11:10] <dataw0lf|w> install it on your box :)
[11:11] <thread> ifr: from your friends at novel... it makes configuring your netowrk supposedly easy
[11:11] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, what do you need? maybe i can help
[11:11] <ifr> Has it worked for you?
[11:11] <thread> ifr: but it still is a bit quirky... you have to wait for the selected network to come up... and it if it doesn't quite work, it doesn't give you error messages
[11:11] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, can i msg u?
[11:11] <thread> ifr: so you should be able to work the commandline tools for hints
[11:11] <ifr> Hmm. Better than now, when It tells me it is connected when it is not.
[11:12] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: all syslog messages are about gconfd and gconf.xml.defaults
[11:12] <ifr> Yes.  Mind if i private messag you thread?
[11:12] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, if you ask in chan, more folks than you or I can learn
[11:12] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: Xorg.0.log ?
[11:12] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33038
[11:13] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: ah, ok.. one sec
[11:13] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, One question is is iwlist scan supported on cvs airport drivers because its not supported under the ones on Hoary
[11:15] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, i'm not all that much into wireless scanning, i tried to install kismet, and when it failed, i accepted it.  i do not program or i might change/break something
[11:16] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: hm, lots of lines... Sillicon MotionMode 800x600 hsync out of range. -- it looks like it tries every mode, and then settles with 640x480, then it loads some x-extensions (render, composite ++), locates my keyboard/mouse, some error messages about some font renderes already registered
[11:17] <zenlunatic> Nalioth, I was thinking maybe it was a driver problem
[11:17] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, it is
[11:17] <besian> i'm trying to install Adobe Reader, should i choose Linux (.rpm) or Linux (.tar.gz)?
[11:18] <Nalioth> besian, whats the matter with xpdf or kpdf or other fully open source thang?
[11:18] <besian> lol sorry im an absolute noob
[11:18] <xuzo> Nalioth: dont forget evince :P
[11:18] <tritium> besian, you can install it from multiverse or Marillat's repo via synaptic/aptitude/apt-get
[11:19] <bugi> besian, and Ubuntu uses .deb :-)
[11:19] <besian> tritium i have no idea what that is :(
[11:20] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: oh, well, it's getting late, i'll try again tomorrow. thanks.
[11:20] <dataw0lf|w> steingrd: oops, sorry, check out your Xorg.conf and make sure the refresh and sync rates are compatible with your monitor.
[11:21] <steingrd> dataw0lf|w: ok, thanks, i will try it tomorrow :)
[11:22] <dataw0lf|w> alrighty.
[11:22] <|QuaD-_> breezy just broke!
[11:22] <tritium> are you surprised?
[11:22] <|QuaD-_> tritium: nope
[11:22] <bugi> Breezy is still unstable :-)
[11:22] <metasquier> Goodmorning
[11:22] <metasquier> I mean whatever it is there
[11:22] <metasquier> lol
[11:23] <besian> where do i get codecs?
[11:23] <GarySaved> What package do I need to get to be able to watch mpg movies?
[11:23] <metasquier> who can tell me, what is the best CD writing suite to use with ubuntu?
[11:23] <Nalioth> metasquier, is your preference. k3b, gnomebaker, graveman and more
[11:23] <goldfish_> besian: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:23] <metasquier> GarySaved, search for xine in your Synaptic Package Manager
[11:23] <besian> thank you
[11:24] <goldfish_> besian: add those repos, the codecs are called w32codecs
[11:24] <GarySaved> Thanks
[11:24] <goldfish_> get them from synaptic
[11:24] <metasquier> Nalioth, I heard a lil story that k3b didnt work without having KDE compiled?
[11:24] <metasquier> Nalioth, dont know if its true
[11:25] <bugi> metasquier, K3b needs some KDE packages
[11:25] <Nalioth> metasquier, if you apt-get install k3b it'll work (works out of the box on my PPC)
[11:25] <metasquier> Nalioth, cool thanks :)
[11:25] <krisp_> hello
[11:25] <krisp_> I'm just installing ubuntu
[11:25] <krisp_> is it easy?
[11:25] <goldfish_> yes
[11:25] <wasabi_> I am trying to extract a multipart rar set and having trouble figuring out how to
[11:25] <Tezkah> Easier than using AOL.
[11:25] <metasquier> krisp_, yeah it is easy
[11:25] <goldfish_> very good for first time linux users
[11:26] <goldfish_> as i can vouch for
[11:26] <Tezkah> wasabi_: usually you go for the rar.1
[11:26] <goldfish_> :)
[11:26] <Nalioth> wasabi_, start at the .rar
[11:26] <Tezkah> and it will tell your unrar program to get the chunks
[11:26] <Nalioth> wasabi_, or the part1.rar
[11:26] <wasabi_> "start it?"
[11:26] <wasabi_> with?
[11:26] <krisp_> will it install nicely to a scsi drive
[11:26] <krisp_> ?
[11:26] <Xappe> wasabi_: with unrar-nonfree you just do a 'unrar e foo.rar'
[11:26] <Nalioth> wasabi_, you should be able to right-click the file in question
[11:26] <Nalioth> wasabi_, in nautilus
[11:26] <wasabi_> ahh non-free
[11:27] <Tezkah> nautilus?  oh wait this is #ubuntu, not #kubuntu
[11:27] <metasquier> krisp_, dont know, but I assume it should
[11:27] <Nalioth> nautilus, konqueror both have the 'extract here' thangy
[11:27] <metasquier> krisp_, especially if you have Hoary
[11:28] <Tezkah> I have a RALINK/Broadcom NIC, I wonder if all the guides I have downloaded will let me connect to wifi
[11:28] <Tezkah> or if I'll break down halfway through
[11:29] <metasquier> Tezkah, do you use kbuntu?
[11:29] <metasquier> kubuntu*
[11:29] <Tezkah> I have a kubuntu install disk in my drive
[11:29] <Tezkah> wiating to be used
[11:29] <krisp_> The nlight on my network card isn't lit - does this usuyally happen when ubuntu dislikes a network carD?
[11:29] <sbcl3_> where are icon themes kept? i keep pasting a folder into /usr/share/icons and also /home/.icons and it won't show up
[11:30] <metasquier> Tezkah, I see, I was wondering what it was like, I dont actually like KDE it reminds me of a large glass ball sitting on a shelf waiting to fall off and be smashed
[11:30] <metasquier> pretty as it may be :P
[11:30] <Tezkah> heh
[11:30] <Tezkah> yeah, I like both KDE and GNOME
[11:30] <Tezkah> I just like kde more
[11:30] <metasquier> tru, it has more things to fiddle with
[11:30] <metasquier> lol
[11:31] <sbcl3_> anyone know how to install an icon theme?
[11:31] <Tezkah> weird thing is, the kubuntu default theme is the exact same as the theme I'm using on Windows right now, thats a little creepy
[11:31] <metasquier> sbcl3_, yes I do
[11:31] <metasquier> I think
[11:31] <metasquier> sbcl3_, ok do this:
[11:32] <metasquier> sbcl3_, go Computer > Desktop Preferences > Themes
[11:32] <mrtoth> Hi!
[11:32] <metasquier> sbcl3_, then click on customize theme
[11:32] <metasquier> sbcl3_, then click on the icon's tab
[11:32] <metasquier> sbcl3_, then click on install new theme
[11:32] <sbcl3_> did those things
[11:32] <sbcl3_> its a folder...not in .tar.gz
[11:32] <factorx> must /boot be on a primary partition?
[11:33] <mrtoth> Is there any way to copy files securely from crontab to an other server without using scp/ssh?
[11:33] <sbcl3_> (when its put in that format it doesn't work)
[11:33] <metasquier> sbcl3_, yeah well Ive had some problems getting all icon themes to work
[11:33] <sbcl3_> where is the icon themes directory?
[11:33] <metasquier> sbcl3_, they can be a lil tricky, depends what sort of theme package you have
[11:33] <MuStR> has anyone successfully installed cdemu?
[11:33] <airox> mrtoth: stunnel ?
[11:33] <metasquier> sbcl3_, umm your home directory and then /.themes or /.icons or somthing like that
[11:33] <MuStR> I'm having trouble with the second step
[11:34] <sbcl3_> .icons didn't work...i'll try .themes though
[11:34] <metasquier> sbcl3_, hmm dont know
[11:34] <krisp_> I really hope this works - I really want to get into linux at home :)
[11:34] <metasquier> sbcl3_, best ask someone else
[11:34] <MuStR> /usr/share/pixmaps/
[11:34] <Mabus> I've booted Knoppix now - how can I reinstall GRUB on my HDD from Knoppix ?
[11:34] <bugi> krisp_, you could try livecd first
[11:34] <MuStR> sbcl3_: /usr/share/pixmaps/
[11:34] <Mabus> anyone ?
[11:34] <mrtoth> airox: Please tell me a program, i can use to copy files
[11:34] <metasquier> krisp_, that the good thing about ubuntu, it "Just Works"
[11:34] <MuStR> anyone successfully install pixmaps....?
[11:35] <MuStR> errrrr
[11:35] <MuStR> I mean cdemu
[11:35] <MuStR> :)
[11:35] <hybrid_goth> hello
[11:35] <metasquier> MuStR, hey whats cdemu?
[11:35] <airox> mrtoth: stunnel and ftp ?
[11:35] <BoD_SWAT> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=165262
[11:36] <mrtoth> airox: there is no ftp server installed on the server, i want to copy to
[11:36] <metasquier> MuStR, hey whats cdemu?
[11:36] <MuStR> cdemu mounts many types of cd images
[11:36] <airox> mrtoth: What IS installed then ?
[11:36] <metasquier> MuStR, cool, sounds handy
[11:37] <organon> hmm, would you recommend me ubuntu over gentoo?
[11:37] <djames> question-why is my standard user's password is the same as the root's password? i thought this was abit odd
[11:37] <mrtoth> airox: nothing :) but i can install anything on that exept ftp, because the owners hate it :)
[11:37] <organon> sure, gentoo is great but it still lacks of something
[11:37] <organon> and i have used debian on my server for a long time
[11:37] <sbcl3_> metasquier: nothing's working :/
[11:37] <organon> i miss apt-get :)
[11:37] <sbcl3_> metasquier: could i show you where i got the theme file (internet)?
[11:38] <hybrid_goth> does mandravia and suse have a apt equal?
[11:38] <MuStR> sbcl3_: what are you trying to do?
[11:38] <organon> no as far as i know
[11:38] <sbcl3_> install an icon theme
[11:38] <sbcl3_> this one: http://lila-theme.uni.cc/files/tarballs/lila-gnome-0.6.2.tar.bz2
[11:38] <MuStR> sbcl3_: what have you tried so far?
[11:39] <MuStR> sbcl3_: did you try using the theme installer?
[11:39] <hybrid_goth> organonb: they dont? man i cant see live with out apt or similiar
[11:39] <sbcl3_> yes
[11:39] <sbcl3_> i changed it to .tar.gz and it said fileformat was invalid
[11:39] <organon> sure u can install an "apt-get" to red hat (or any other rpm-based distro) but it only finds the major packages (e.g. apache when i tried)
[11:39] <hybrid_goth> organon: red hat has emerge doesnt it
[11:39] <crimsun> sbcl3_: that's because it's tar.bz2, not tar.gz. Don't just change the extension.
[11:39] <organon> hmm, dunno about the newest releases
[11:40] <organon> but isnt it commerercial nowadays?
[11:40] <organon> commercial*
[11:40] <sbcl3_> crimsun: i extracted it to .tar then zipped it to .tar.gz
[11:40] <crimsun> zipped or gzipped?
[11:40] <sbcl3_> gzipped
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> organon: yes rhel is commercial
[11:40] <leitao_> guyz, i configured my keyboard to US with dead keys, but the c ceddilla does not appear, why?
[11:40] <leitao_> font problem?
[11:40] <sbcl3_> i've pasted the extracted files to /usr/share/themes, /usr/share/icons, /home/usr/.icons, and /home/usr/.themes
[11:41] <sbcl3_> and nothing works
[11:41] <MuStR> sbcl3_: you shouldn't need to unzup the archive
[11:41] <MuStR> are you using gnome?
[11:41] <ifr> Here's a dumb question: anyone using the weather applet in the menu bar? I can't get mine to work even if I configure it with city/state
[11:41] <organon> and suse does come with yats (or something) and well yeah, it's some kind of equivalent to apt-get but quite far away when u talk about accessibility
[11:41] <organon> imo
[11:42] <ifr> yast - it's nice, but not as nice s synaptic
[11:42] <sbcl3_> MuStR: i can just paste the .tar.gz to those folders i listed?
[11:42] <MuStR> ifr: what problem are you having?
[11:42] <paulsen> isnt YaST used for way more than packaging?
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> ifr: where did you get a weather applet
[11:42] <airox> paulsen: Yes.
[11:42] <MuStR> sbcl3_: gnome menu > system > preferences > theme
[11:42] <paulsen> kind of hard to put synaptics and yast side-by-side IMHO
[11:42] <airox> paulsen: It's sort of a configuration of the whole system.
[11:42] <MuStR> then click "install theme"
[11:42] <ifr> Move your mouse up to the top or bottom menu bar, right click, select add to panel, find Weather
[11:43] <organon> yep yep
[11:43] <ifr> Then configure for your ZIP code or postal code (it uses METAR)
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> apt rules  then package managers and ubuntu rules the distro and linux rules the os
[11:43] <organon> :)
[11:43] <ifr> then it is nice! On Gentoo/Gnome it works GREAT bt I have not gotten it to work in Ubuntu
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> ifr: oh  ok
[11:44] <ifr> All I've ever gotten on ubuntu is a ?
[11:45] <MuStR> wooo vlc plays .bin/.cue
[11:45] <organon> I think I'll give ubuntu a try later on this week :)
[11:45] <MuStR> <3 vlc
[11:46] <holycow> i've never understood the weather applet
[11:46] <paulsen> I enabled the remote desktop setting in ubuntu
[11:46] <paulsen> (vnc)
[11:46] <organon> and have I understood right that ubuntu works pretty darn smoothly on laptops?
[11:46] <holycow> if you never see a window, the weather doesn't matter your probably permanently living ina  basement
[11:47] <paulsen> but when I try to connect to it from a client I just get a black screen
[11:47] <paulsen> any idea why this is happening?
[11:47] <holycow> if you are normal and need the weather, open the window
[11:47] <holycow> why would anyone possibly need a weather applet is beyond me
[11:47] <holycow> now if you are a windsurfer, and need surf conditions, now THAT would make sense ;)
[11:47] <paulsen> a weather applet for next day foracast isnt dumb
[11:47] <paulsen> forecast*
[11:48] <paulsen> especially in the summer when you wanna tell your friends to come over next day to have a barbeque
[11:48] <holycow> just look out the window the next day
[11:48] <paulsen> with lots of beer.
[11:48] <organon> sounds familiar :)
[11:48] <holycow> what, do you live in the rainforest?
[11:48] <holycow> :)
[11:48] <Nalioth> organon, works great on my old iBook
[11:48] <organon> sweet
[11:49] <sbcl3_> my problem might be because a theme already has an icon theme named the same thing...but i doubt it
[11:49] <organon> and what about all the integrated stuff, for example wlan/soundcard?
[11:50] <besian> i installed RealPlayer....but i cant open files with it... why?
[11:50] <holycow> organon and have I understood right that ubuntu works pretty darn smoothly on laptops?  <-- this has little to do with the distro and most to do with the state of drivers for hardware typically found in laptops
[11:50] <ifr> holycow - I fly airplanes. Weather has been known to matter. I don't insult you, why insult me?
[11:50] <holycow> all linux basically are equal on all hardware
[11:50] <holycow> ifr, oh sorry dude
[11:50] <holycow> argh!
[11:50] <organon> sure thing but just what i have read has said that it's very easy to configure
[11:51] <organon> u dont have to fight with eveything
[11:51] <organon> let's say, more windows-alike approach :p
[11:51] <wasabi_> weird
[11:51] <Nalioth> laters
[11:51] <wasabi_> floppy owned /dev/hdc
[11:53] <segin> can someone tell me if Ubuntu can be installed on the 603 line of PowerPC CPU?
[11:53] <ifr> Sorry folks, I had a bit of a hissy fit.
[11:54] <ifr> Been a long day of wifi config. I'm ready to scream
[11:54] <segin> im ready to scream muyyself... stupid mac crashed on ubuntu
[11:54] <organon> later ->
[11:54] <shinu> how can i copy/paste in links?
[11:55] <segin> god is room enpty
[11:55] <segin> yo shinu
[11:55] <sobersabre> shinu,
[11:55] <shinu> 0.o
[11:55] <sobersabre> do you have a mouse ?
[11:55] <shinu> segin: yeah
[11:55] <factorx> do i need a second windows licence if i want to use captive-ntfs in addition to an installed windows os?
[11:55] <segin> load up MC, then load up links from there
[11:55] <sobersabre> shinu, do you have a gpm running ?
[11:55] <pvh> factorx: no, you shouldn't.
[11:55] <organon> hh, windows licence :)
[11:55] <shinu> sobersabre: im in xfce, xterm
[11:55] <pvh> factorx: it is the same machine, and you aren't running them both concurrently, are you?
[11:56] <factorx> pvh: thats right
[11:56] <pvh> factorx: I would say that morally you are on safe ground.
[11:56] <pvh> factorx: and since the odds of anyone attacking you legally are slim, it's not worth the worry.
[11:56] <shinu> segin: and how do i do that? 0.o
[11:56] <sobersabre> shinu sometimes to copy you just "select" area with mouse... and sometimes you need to hold Shift or Ctrl  during this
[11:56] <pvh> factorx: of course, one never knows what will happen in a court.
[11:56] <segin> shinu: type in mc. then when Midnight Commander loads, type in links
[11:57] <sobersabre> to paste - middle mouse ( if you have 2 and 3-emulated - then press emulation )
[11:57] <segin> mignight commander eats uo that terminals gpm lock, so gpm operations in links are copy/paste only
[11:57] <segin> sobersabre: links, not lynx
[11:57] <shinu> segin: got it already
[11:58] <shinu> sobersabre: thanks, the shift solves the problem :)
[11:58] <segin> it uses the mouse for clicking and stuff... because it uses gpm, the gpm pase is disabled, similar to mc.
[11:58] <metalsand`school> Hi. Can someone help me configure my Wireless PCMCIA NIC>
[11:58] <segin> metalsand`school: no.
[11:58] <segin> haha
[11:58] <sobersabre> segin, is there a difference lynx/links ... except ssl ? :)
[11:58] <metalsand`school> Well why not?
[11:58] <sobersabre> i love links2 ! it is so FAST!
[11:59] <sobersabre> shinu, do you know you can run links as GUI browser
[11:59] <shinu> well, links i can actually use my mouse to click on links :D
[11:59] <pvh> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my desktop but NTFSResize won't let me create a large enough partition despite having freed up lots of room!
[11:59] <sobersabre> execute: links2 -g
[11:59] <sobersabre> if i am not mistaken
[11:59] <segin> sobersabre: a world of diffrence. that question is as stupid (or even more so) as the question 'whats the diffrence between internet explorer and firefox? aren't they the same?'
[11:59] <shinu> sobersabre: i dont have links2 :D
[12:00] <sobersabre> segin, i was kidding... take a glsas of water.