| KaiL | hm, does anybody have problems with reading DVDs? being shown with a yellow icon (=blank disk)? | 12:14 |
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| JRe | loo | 09:37 |
| JRe | i want to write a little guide on how to package a progran specially for Kubuntu | 11:00 |
| JRe | what is the best format ? html ? | 11:00 |
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| JRe | re | 11:12 |
| amu | JRe: no format needed, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDocumentation | 11:15 |
| JRe | amu: you think this guide is a good idea? | 11:20 |
| amu | hmm, it a good idea, best place for it create a new KubuntuPackageing page, probably others will help you ... | 11:21 |
| JRe | okay ;) | 11:22 |
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| JRe | Anyone has yet got this error using docbook-to-man: /usr/bin/nsgmls:/usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.2/docbookx.dtd:112:17:E: "X20AC" is not a function name? | 12:07 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 12:45 |
| dholbach | anyone of you in touch with VirgilNisly? | 12:45 |
| dholbach | he put some kde packages on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages | 12:46 |
| dholbach | but they are all *i386.deb | 12:46 |
| dholbach | so i can't review them | 12:46 |
| Riddell | dholbach: not heard of him | 12:52 |
| dholbach | kio-locate and digikam | 12:52 |
| Riddell | hmm, maybe I have heard of him | 12:53 |
| Riddell | I'll send him an e-mail asking for the source | 12:53 |
| dholbach | ROCK | 12:54 |
| dholbach | when is motaboy normally online? | 01:03 |
| Riddell | not sure, not seen him for a bit | 01:03 |
| dholbach | his metabar_<version>.orig.tar.gz is missing | 01:03 |
| Riddell | can't find it on the server, I'll e-mail him too | 01:05 |
| dholbach | made a note on MOTUNewPackages | 01:05 |
| dholbach | is FrancisGiannaros in here? | 01:08 |
| dholbach | his server seems to be down | 01:11 |
| Riddell | not here currently | 01:16 |
| Riddell | francisg at gmail dot com | 01:17 |
| Riddell | I can e-mail him too | 01:18 |
| dholbach | cool | 01:18 |
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| hunger | Hiho! | 01:28 |
| dholbach | is FrodeDoeving around? | 01:28 |
| Riddell | he's on the server (frode) but not on a channel | 01:29 |
| Riddell | hello hunger | 01:29 |
| dholbach | krusader seems to be already in | 01:30 |
| hunger | Now ksysguard claims my cpu freq is 0:-( | 01:30 |
| Riddell | dholbach: but not krusader 1.60 | 01:31 |
| hunger | That does seem a bit slow... | 01:31 |
| Riddell | oh wait, it is in breezy | 01:31 |
| dholbach | Riddell: apt-cache show krusader | grep Version | 01:32 |
| dholbach | ah yes :-) | 01:32 |
| dholbach | and please tell people not to package natively :-) | 01:33 |
| Riddell | dholbach: well if you're going to ignore packages just because they're already in you may as well scrap digikam | 01:33 |
| Riddell | what do you mean package natively? | 01:33 |
| dholbach | Riddell: if we have the same version and nothing changes | 01:33 |
| dholbach | no .orig.tar.gz and no .diff.gz :-) | 01:33 |
| dholbach | Riddell: if somebody wants me to review a package with newer version or fixes, then it's fine with me | 01:34 |
| Riddell | digikam seems to be the same version | 01:35 |
| dholbach | i found some other manual merges from debian on the list already :-) | 01:36 |
| dholbach | how close do you all work with the guys packaging KDE stuff? | 01:52 |
| Riddell | we are the guys packaging KDE stuff | 01:52 |
| dholbach | the guys putting their KDE stuff on MOTUNewPackages? :-) | 01:52 |
| Riddell | fairly closely, I think they've all come through me at some point | 01:53 |
| dholbach | you should tell them to use pbuilder, i ran across the 2nd package with "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)" :-( | 01:53 |
| Riddell | what is pbuilder? | 01:54 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 01:54 |
| dholbach | it builds packages for you in a chroot, so you can be sure the build process runs in a separated environment and you tackle most of the packaging bugs | 01:55 |
| Riddell | sounds like good stuff | 01:55 |
| dholbach | yes, it absolutely is | 01:55 |
| Riddell | how would that help debhelper >= 4.0.0? | 01:55 |
| dholbach | the first thing we tell MOTU hopefuls | 01:55 |
| dholbach | the pbuilder just installs the crack that's in build-depends, plus the usual debootstrap stuff | 01:56 |
| dholbach | in the chrooted environment the first thing will be: configure-run will complain | 01:56 |
| dholbach | (because of missing build-depends) | 01:58 |
| JRe | dholbach: i will soon send you the katapult package | 02:01 |
| dholbach | JRe: you mean put it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages ? | 02:01 |
| Riddell | amu: could you look at this and see if you can confirm on a PPC or not? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104091 | 02:02 |
| dholbach | JRe: because if you put it on the wikipage, it will catch more eyes | 02:02 |
| amu | Riddell: confirmed | 02:03 |
| amu | same here | 02:03 |
| Riddell | amu: does it happen with all media or just dvds? | 02:04 |
| amu | Riddell: only DVD's and only on a ibook, pb is fine | 02:05 |
| Riddell | amu: hmm, sounds like an ibook issue rather then a kubuntu issue | 02:07 |
| amu | Riddell: letme track it down later at the evening | 02:07 |
| amu | KDE 3.4.1 Schedule | 02:26 |
| amu | From: | 02:26 |
| amu | Stephan Binner <binner@kde.org> | 02:26 |
| Riddell | May 23rd tagging | 02:28 |
| dholbach | see you later guys | 02:33 |
| Riddell | thanks dholbach, I'll try and review some packages later | 02:35 |
| dholbach | take your time | 02:36 |
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| JRe | Pffffffff riddell i can't manage to move the desktop file | 03:14 |
| Riddell | JRe: just make a new one, put it in debian/ and add a rule cp foo.desktop usr/share/applications/kde in rules | 03:16 |
| JRe | okay because i was blowing my brain with autotools ;) ;) ;) | 03:20 |
| JRe | Riddell: i put the cp in the install target? | 03:23 |
| Riddell | yes, I think so | 03:24 |
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| JRe | Riddell: okay i put a dh_install foo/foo.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde it worked great! | 03:41 |
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| JRe | Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=KubuntU | 04:01 |
| JRe | i think it's good now | 04:02 |
| Riddell | JRe: missing .diff.gz | 04:03 |
| JRe | okay | 04:03 |
| amu | and run a lintian katapult_0.2-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb | 04:04 |
| JRe | E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapultdisplay.so.0.0.0 | 04:05 |
| JRe | E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapult.so.0.0.0 | 04:05 |
| JRe | E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapultcatalog.so.0.0.0 | 04:05 |
| JRe | Riddell: the diff.gz is here now | 04:06 |
| JRe | amu: this error is grave? | 04:07 |
| amu | it should be "E:" free | 04:08 |
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| allee | JRe: control: add home page url to long description | 04:12 |
| allee | JRe: copyright: needs a copy of the license used in source files | 04:13 |
| allee | JRe: if docu is GFDL add a literate copy too | 04:13 |
| allee | JRe: I'm sure 'dirs' file can be removed | 04:14 |
| JRe | allee: by docu you mean for the man page? | 04:14 |
| allee | JRe: no docbook files | 04:15 |
| allee | bib | 04:15 |
| allee | not the manpage docbook file | 04:15 |
| allee | JRe: rename menu.ex to menu otherwise it's ignored | 04:16 |
| allee | JRe: hint do yourself a favour and use CDBS for the rules file ;) | 04:17 |
| allee | JRe: remove or fix watch.ex | 04:18 |
| JRe | allee: okay there was so many error :) | 04:19 |
| allee | JRe: Stuff like modifiing/moving .desktop file should be mentioned in changelog | 04:19 |
| JRe | allee: where do i put the license files? in the debian dir? | 04:20 |
| allee | JRe: No error., no just polishing | 04:20 |
| allee | JRe: everything license related has to go into debian/copyright | 04:20 |
| JRe | allee: wich package can i take for reference, because i have taken konversation and the copryght file was a similar | 04:23 |
| JRe | ??? | 04:23 |
| JRe | allee: it's hard to find cdbs doc! | 04:29 |
| allee | JRe: digikam ;) There even a mv of a desktop with a CDBS rules | 04:29 |
| allee | JRe: kalyxo had a good quick intro. Never needed more for the first weeks | 04:30 |
| JRe | allee: okay i have taken a look to the exemples: it's very good ;) ;) ;) | 04:31 |
| JRe | allee: thx for digiKam package ;) | 04:31 |
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| Riddell | JRe: URL for intro? | 04:32 |
| Riddell | allee, not JRe | 04:32 |
| allee | google 'cdbs' and 4th hit is a good one. https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS | 04:34 |
| allee | Riddell: search debian-mentors there are lot's of refs. There another very good page, only error is that at the end there's a KDE flame ;) | 04:35 |
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| allee | JRe: Impressive build-deps. Nevertheless libc6-i686 is no good on ppc. I would also remove lib<x> if lib<x>-dev is already there. | 04:42 |
| allee | JRe: I don't now katapult but I usally start with debuilder,cdbs,kdelibs4-dev and try it. A later pbuilder run shows if something missing | 04:43 |
| JRe | allee: in fact i have made the build-deps using the script on the debian maint-guide may be it's not godd? | 04:43 |
| JRe | allee: okay thanks! | 04:43 |
| allee | JRe: the script is right, but you should do it in a clean environment. See -686 gotcha | 04:45 |
| JRe | allee: -686 gotcha ??????? | 04:45 |
| allee | JRe: using pbuilder before a new upload is much better than relying on the script (IMO) | 04:45 |
| allee | JRe: the libc6-686 build-dep. Other archs will not be happy. | 04:46 |
| JRe | okay ;) | 04:46 |
| allee | JRe: and tell upstream that Makefile should not be in the tarball. Bloats diff without any reason | 04:47 |
| JRe | allee: okay i'll him! I have so many things to learn before beeing a good packager! | 04:48 |
| KaiL | wow, high traffic here :) | 04:49 |
| allee | JRe: subscribe to debian-mentors list. Much boring noise, but many educative threads | 04:49 |
| allee | JRe: When in doubt I first search the debian-mentors folder. Hit rate > 90 % for me. | 04:51 |
| allee | Hi KaiL, don't worry I shut up soon ;) | 04:51 |
| KaiL | you don't need to | 04:51 |
| allee | KaiL: tell it to my boss ;) | 04:51 |
| allee | JRe: try interdiff, diffstat and debdiff. Help you a lot spot update error, stale files etc | 04:53 |
| JRe | allee: ok! thanks you for all your advices i will check the man entry of eveything you told me and try to make a real cleam package! | 04:55 |
| JRe | allee: ;) ;) ;) | 04:56 |
| JRe | allee: in fact the french version of the main guide is pretty obsolet | 04:56 |
| allee | JRe: clean pkging is fun (except getting/checking updating copyright file) | 04:57 |
| allee | JRe: have fun, KaiL: now it's your turn ;) , all: until later | 05:00 |
| JRe | allee: thanks! see you later | 05:02 |
| KaiL | yesterday somebody in #kubuntu found this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135 | 05:06 |
| JRe | yeah kat is a good soft | 05:07 |
| JRe | but still in early stage | 05:07 |
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| hunger | I hate apps that are to intelligent for their own good! | 07:23 |
| hunger | kate pops up a window telling me a file it has in its editor was deleted, asking to reload it... | 07:24 |
| KaiL | I'm just playing with splashy on my K6-2 | 07:24 |
| KaiL | quite nice | 07:24 |
| KaiL | but then I see, how slow that computer really is ;) | 07:24 |
| hunger | Failing to reload it assumes that the permissions are borked:-( | 07:24 |
| KaiL | brrrrr, my test system really needs a more silent power supply | 07:45 |
| KaiL | that doesn't sound very good | 07:45 |
| uniq | anyone using kubuntu on ibook/powerbook ? - thinking of getting one of them.. probably a ibook 12".. | 07:47 |
| Riddell | uniq: amu seems to like them | 07:48 |
| uniq | so i guess (k)ubuntu runs on them without huge problems? | 07:50 |
| amu | :) | 07:52 |
| amu | let's say works for me | 07:52 |
| KaiL | hehe | 07:54 |
| amu | prever the ibook, cause accu runs 2 times longer compared to the pb, pb has more power, is faster, has a pcmica :) ibook you need that fucking usb-wlan | 07:54 |
| amu | ibook need some tricky config that sleep is also supported, pb works everything out of the box | 07:55 |
| KaiL | except WLAN? | 07:59 |
| amu | 12" ibook compared with the 15" pb, finally the is a price difference :) probably a 12" pb rocks, never owned such a thing :) proably if there's a new G5 12" i'll try :) | 07:59 |
| amu | right, wlan never works, till broadcom will publish their specs, compared to M$, it's like M$ put their OS under the gpl :) | 08:01 |
| KaiL | lol | 08:01 |
| KaiL | is there something like ndiswrapper for ppc? | 08:02 |
| amu | nope | 08:02 |
| amu | well, on the older alu-books or older ibooks ( the first series ) wlan works ( 11mbit ) | 08:03 |
| KaiL | that one isn't made by broadcom? | 08:04 |
| amu | Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g | 08:07 |
| KaiL | that's the so called "airport extreme"? | 08:08 |
| amu | yep | 08:09 |
| amu | the other, 11mbit, it's just airport | 08:10 |
| amu | This chipset is a broadcom 4301 chipset. The drivers for this chipset can not be released by the manafacturers because this card has the ability to broadcast in a spectrum that is reserved for military use. | 08:13 |
| amu | Because of this, broadcom imposes these limitations in software. By releasing the specifications on how to get this card to work, they may be inadvertantly allowing people to broadcast on a restricted frequency, and therefore making them liable. | 08:14 |
| amu | 08:14 | |
| KaiL | lol, and they think, nobody can hack the normal driver to do this too? Idiots... | 08:15 |
| amu | they tried but noone was offical successful :) even with a mofified ndiswrapper | 08:23 |
| KaiL | ...official | 08:23 |
| KaiL | if you are, you'll have some big holes in your door next day? ;) | 08:24 |
| amu | :) | 08:31 |
| uniq | shit.. why didn't i focus on this channel.. | 09:28 |
| uniq | i ordered the ibook 12".. | 09:29 |
| uniq | amu: how do you solve the wlan-issue? | 09:31 |
| amu | on the ibook with usb-wlan | 09:32 |
| uniq | ok.. any card you can recommend? | 09:33 |
| amu | about 20Euro for a Dlink DWL-122 | 09:33 |
| uniq | support for kismet and all? | 09:33 |
| amu | never tried :) i'll not do such illegal scan things *g* | 09:33 |
| uniq | illegal? :) | 09:34 |
| amu | ;-) | 09:34 |
| uniq | to put it in another way.. i have a 3com atmel based.. that can't find any accesspoints by itself. | 09:34 |
| amu | you should ask you administraor about access *runningaway* | 09:36 |
| uniq | do you call the airport administration to get the essid and stuff for the public wlan? :) | 09:37 |
| amu | ;) | 09:41 |
| uniq | DWL-122 on it's way :) | 10:00 |
| uniq | amu: you think i should cancel the ibook order and get the powerbook? | 10:25 |
| uniq | the only big thing is sleep right? - do I pay the extra $ to get 1.5Ghz, dvd-r and the extra firewire-port? :) | 10:28 |
| uniq | I'll leave it with the ibook.. | 10:33 |
| amu | uniq: depends what you need and how much money you want spend :) | 10:47 |
| amu | you get a ibook for 900E a pb costs 1600E | 10:48 |
| uniq | I ordered the ibook 12", 512M, 60G, no bluetooth. | 10:48 |
| amu | firefire never used it realy, my extern hdd support both, usb is fast enough and just works | 10:48 |
| uniq | I think it'll fit my needs well.. | 10:49 |
| uniq | I'm basically just replacing a huge noisy monster of a fujitsu amd64-thingie.. | 10:49 |
| amu | DVD, dont need it also, i've 2 desktops with DVD burners ... so save to money and order 1 gig ram | 10:49 |
| uniq | I've burned one dvd on this laptop.. just to test.. don't need it. | 10:50 |
| uniq | I've got a amd64 3700+.. it's running at 800mhz (out of 2.4Ghz) don't need it.. | 10:51 |
| amu | yep, sometimes it's easier, well but i can park them on the hdd and move it to the desktop | 10:51 |
| amu | so DVD isnt realy usefull for me | 10:51 |
| uniq | do you have sleep working? | 10:53 |
| amu | yep | 10:53 |
| allee | uniq: no bluetooth? Pity (IMHO) one kdebluetooth tester less ;) | 10:55 |
| uniq | allee: well.. I can get a usb-thingie to support you :) | 10:55 |
| allee | I'll make a note ;) | 10:56 |
| uniq | I'll find a cheap usb-thing and add it to the dwl-122 order i just submitted :) | 10:56 |
| uniq | amu: thanks for the info :) | 11:34 |
| uniq | and g'nite to all. | 11:35 |
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| amu | uniq: n,p i'm sure, there will be soon more questions :) | 11:44 |
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