[12:14] <KaiL> hm, does anybody have problems with reading DVDs? being shown with a yellow icon (=blank disk)?
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[09:37] <JRe> loo
[11:00] <JRe> i want to write a little guide on how to package a progran specially for Kubuntu
[11:00] <JRe> what is the best format ? html ?
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[11:12] <JRe> re
[11:15] <amu> JRe: no format needed, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuDocumentation
[11:20] <JRe> amu: you think this guide is a good idea?
[11:21] <amu> hmm, it a good idea, best place for it create a new KubuntuPackageing page, probably others will help you ... 
[11:22] <JRe> okay ;)
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[12:07] <JRe> Anyone has yet got this error using docbook-to-man: /usr/bin/nsgmls:/usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.2/docbookx.dtd:112:17:E: "X20AC" is not a function name?
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[12:45] <dholbach> hellas
[12:45] <dholbach> anyone of you in touch with VirgilNisly?
[12:46] <dholbach> he put some kde packages on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[12:46] <dholbach> but they are all *i386.deb
[12:46] <dholbach> so i can't review them
[12:52] <Riddell> dholbach: not heard of him
[12:52] <dholbach> kio-locate and digikam
[12:53] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I have heard of him
[12:53] <Riddell> I'll send him an e-mail asking for the source
[12:54] <dholbach> ROCK
[01:03] <dholbach> when is motaboy normally online?
[01:03] <Riddell> not sure, not seen him for a bit
[01:03] <dholbach> his metabar_<version>.orig.tar.gz is missing
[01:05] <Riddell> can't find it on the server, I'll e-mail him too
[01:05] <dholbach> made a note on MOTUNewPackages
[01:08] <dholbach> is FrancisGiannaros in here?
[01:11] <dholbach> his server seems to be down
[01:16] <Riddell> not here currently
[01:17] <Riddell> francisg at gmail dot com
[01:18] <Riddell> I can e-mail him too
[01:18] <dholbach> cool
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[01:28] <hunger> Hiho!
[01:28] <dholbach> is FrodeDoeving around?
[01:29] <Riddell> he's on the server (frode) but not on a channel
[01:29] <Riddell> hello hunger 
[01:30] <dholbach> krusader seems to be already in
[01:30] <hunger> Now ksysguard claims my cpu freq is 0:-(
[01:31] <Riddell> dholbach: but not krusader 1.60
[01:31] <hunger> That does seem a bit slow...
[01:31] <Riddell> oh wait, it is in breezy
[01:32] <dholbach> Riddell: apt-cache show krusader | grep Version
[01:32] <dholbach> ah yes :-)
[01:33] <dholbach> and please tell people not to package natively :-)
[01:33] <Riddell> dholbach: well if you're going to ignore packages just because they're already in you may as well scrap digikam
[01:33] <Riddell> what do you mean package natively?
[01:33] <dholbach> Riddell: if we have the same version and nothing changes
[01:33] <dholbach> no .orig.tar.gz and no .diff.gz :-)
[01:34] <dholbach> Riddell: if somebody wants me to review a package with newer version or fixes, then it's fine with me
[01:35] <Riddell> digikam seems to be the same version
[01:36] <dholbach> i found some other manual merges from debian on the list already :-)
[01:52] <dholbach> how close do you all work with the guys packaging KDE stuff?
[01:52] <Riddell> we are the guys packaging KDE stuff
[01:52] <dholbach> the guys putting their KDE stuff on MOTUNewPackages? :-)
[01:53] <Riddell> fairly closely, I think they've all come through me at some point
[01:53] <dholbach> you should tell them to use pbuilder, i ran across the 2nd package with "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0)" :-(
[01:54] <Riddell> what is pbuilder?
[01:54] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:55] <dholbach> it builds packages for you in a chroot, so you can be sure the build process runs in a separated environment and you tackle most of the packaging bugs
[01:55] <Riddell> sounds like good stuff
[01:55] <dholbach> yes, it absolutely is
[01:55] <Riddell> how would that help debhelper >= 4.0.0?
[01:55] <dholbach> the first thing we tell MOTU hopefuls
[01:56] <dholbach> the pbuilder just installs the crack that's in build-depends, plus the usual debootstrap stuff
[01:56] <dholbach> in the chrooted environment the first thing will be: configure-run will complain
[01:58] <dholbach> (because of missing build-depends)
[02:01] <JRe> dholbach: i will soon send you the katapult package
[02:01] <dholbach> JRe: you mean put it on  wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages ?
[02:02] <Riddell> amu: could you look at this and see if you can confirm on a PPC or not?  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104091
[02:02] <dholbach> JRe: because if you put it on the wikipage, it will catch more eyes
[02:03] <amu> Riddell: confirmed
[02:03] <amu> same here
[02:04] <Riddell> amu: does it happen with all media or just dvds?
[02:05] <amu> Riddell: only DVD's and only on a ibook, pb is fine 
[02:07] <Riddell> amu: hmm, sounds like an ibook issue rather then a kubuntu issue
[02:07] <amu> Riddell: letme track it down later at the evening 
[02:26] <amu> KDE 3.4.1 Schedule
[02:26] <amu> From: 
[02:26] <amu> Stephan Binner <binner@kde.org>
[02:28] <Riddell> May 23rd tagging
[02:33] <dholbach> see you later guys
[02:35] <Riddell> thanks dholbach, I'll try and review some packages later
[02:36] <dholbach> take your time
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[03:14] <JRe> Pffffffff riddell i can't manage to move the desktop file
[03:16] <Riddell> JRe: just make a new one, put it in debian/ and add a rule  cp foo.desktop usr/share/applications/kde  in rules
[03:20] <JRe> okay because i was blowing my brain with autotools ;) ;) ;)
[03:23] <JRe> Riddell: i put the cp in the install target?
[03:24] <Riddell> yes, I think so
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[03:41] <JRe> Riddell: okay i put a dh_install foo/foo.desktop /usr/share/applications/kde it worked great!
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[04:01] <JRe> Riddell:  http://jr.falleri.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=KubuntU
[04:02] <JRe> i think it's good now
[04:03] <Riddell> JRe: missing .diff.gz
[04:03] <JRe> okay
[04:04] <amu> and run a lintian katapult_0.2-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[04:05] <JRe> E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapultdisplay.so.0.0.0
[04:05] <JRe> E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapult.so.0.0.0
[04:05] <JRe> E: katapult: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libkatapultcatalog.so.0.0.0
[04:06] <JRe> Riddell: the diff.gz is here now
[04:07] <JRe> amu: this error is grave?
[04:08] <amu> it should be "E:" free
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[04:12] <allee> JRe: control: add home page url to long description
[04:13] <allee> JRe: copyright:  needs a copy of the license used in source files 
[04:13] <allee> JRe: if docu is GFDL add a literate copy too
[04:14] <allee> JRe: I'm sure 'dirs' file can be removed
[04:14] <JRe> allee: by docu you mean for the man page?
[04:15] <allee> JRe: no docbook files
[04:15] <allee> bib
[04:15] <allee> not the manpage docbook file
[04:16] <allee> JRe: rename menu.ex to menu otherwise it's ignored
[04:17] <allee> JRe:  hint do yourself a favour and use CDBS for the rules file ;)
[04:18] <allee> JRe: remove or fix watch.ex
[04:19] <JRe> allee: okay there was so many error :)
[04:19] <allee> JRe: Stuff like modifiing/moving .desktop  file should be mentioned in changelog
[04:20] <JRe> allee: where do i put the license files? in the debian dir?
[04:20] <allee> JRe: No error., no just polishing
[04:20] <allee> JRe: everything license related has to go into debian/copyright
[04:23] <JRe> allee: wich package can i take for reference, because i have taken konversation and the copryght file was a similar 
[04:23] <JRe> ???
[04:29] <JRe> allee: it's hard to find cdbs doc!
[04:29] <allee> JRe: digikam ;)   There even a mv of a desktop with a CDBS rules
[04:30] <allee> JRe: kalyxo had a good quick intro.  Never needed more for the first weeks
[04:31] <JRe> allee: okay i have taken a look to the exemples: it's very good ;) ;) ;)
[04:31] <JRe> allee: thx for digiKam package ;)
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[04:32] <Riddell> JRe: URL for intro?
[04:32] <Riddell> allee, not JRe 
[04:34] <allee> google 'cdbs' and 4th hit is a good one.  https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[04:35] <allee> Riddell: search debian-mentors there are lot's of refs.   There another very good page, only error is that at the end there's a KDE flame ;)
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[04:42] <allee> JRe:  Impressive build-deps.  Nevertheless libc6-i686  is no good on ppc.   I would also remove  lib<x> if lib<x>-dev is already there.
[04:43] <allee> JRe: I don't now katapult but I usally start with debuilder,cdbs,kdelibs4-dev and try it.  A later pbuilder run shows if something missing
[04:43] <JRe> allee:  in fact i have made the build-deps using the script on the debian maint-guide may be it's not godd?
[04:43] <JRe> allee: okay thanks!
[04:45] <allee> JRe: the script is right, but you should do it in a clean environment.   See -686 gotcha
[04:45] <JRe> allee: -686 gotcha ???????
[04:45] <allee> JRe: using pbuilder before a new upload is much better than relying on the script (IMO)
[04:46] <allee> JRe: the libc6-686 build-dep.   Other archs will not be happy.
[04:46] <JRe> okay ;)
[04:47] <allee> JRe: and tell upstream that Makefile should not be in the tarball.   Bloats diff without any reason 
[04:48] <JRe> allee: okay i'll him! I have so many things to learn before beeing a good packager!
[04:49] <KaiL> wow, high traffic here :)
[04:49] <allee> JRe:  subscribe to debian-mentors list.   Much boring noise, but many educative threads 
[04:51] <allee> JRe: When in doubt I first search the debian-mentors folder.  Hit rate > 90 % for me.
[04:51] <allee> Hi KaiL, don't worry I shut up soon ;)
[04:51] <KaiL> you don't need to
[04:51] <allee> KaiL: tell it to my boss ;)
[04:53] <allee> JRe: try interdiff, diffstat and debdiff.  Help you a lot spot update error, stale files etc
[04:55] <JRe> allee: ok! thanks you for all your advices i will check the man entry of eveything you told me and try to make a real cleam package!
[04:56] <JRe> allee: ;) ;) ;)
[04:56] <JRe> allee: in fact the french version of the main guide is pretty obsolet
[04:57] <allee> JRe: clean pkging is fun (except getting/checking updating copyright file)
[05:00] <allee> JRe: have fun,  KaiL: now it's your turn ;) ,  all:  until later
[05:02] <JRe> allee: thanks! see you later
[05:06] <KaiL> yesterday somebody in #kubuntu found this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135
[05:07] <JRe> yeah kat is a good soft
[05:07] <JRe> but still in early stage
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[07:23] <hunger> I hate apps that are to intelligent for their own good!
[07:24] <hunger> kate pops up a window telling me a file it has in its editor was deleted, asking to reload it...
[07:24] <KaiL> I'm just playing with splashy on my K6-2
[07:24] <KaiL> quite nice
[07:24] <KaiL> but then I see, how slow that computer really is ;)
[07:24] <hunger> Failing to reload it assumes that the permissions are borked:-(
[07:45] <KaiL> brrrrr, my test system really needs a more silent power supply
[07:45] <KaiL> that doesn't sound very good
[07:47] <uniq> anyone using kubuntu on ibook/powerbook ? - thinking of getting one of them.. probably a ibook 12".. 
[07:48] <Riddell> uniq: amu seems to like them
[07:50] <uniq> so i guess (k)ubuntu runs on them without huge problems? 
[07:52] <amu> :) 
[07:52] <amu> let's say works for me
[07:54] <KaiL> hehe
[07:54] <amu> prever the ibook, cause accu runs 2 times longer compared to the pb, pb has more power, is faster, has a pcmica :) ibook you need that fucking usb-wlan       
[07:55] <amu> ibook need some tricky config that sleep is also supported, pb works everything out of the box
[07:59] <KaiL> except WLAN?
[07:59] <amu> 12" ibook compared with the 15" pb, finally the is a price difference :) probably a 12" pb rocks, never owned such a thing :) proably if there's a new G5 12" i'll try :)    
[08:01] <amu> right, wlan never works, till broadcom will publish their specs, compared to M$, it's like M$ put their OS under the gpl :)  
[08:01] <KaiL> lol
[08:02] <KaiL> is there something like ndiswrapper for ppc?
[08:02] <amu> nope
[08:03] <amu> well, on the older alu-books or older ibooks ( the first series ) wlan works ( 11mbit )  
[08:04] <KaiL> that one isn't made by broadcom?
[08:07] <amu> Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g
[08:08] <KaiL> that's the so called "airport extreme"?
[08:09] <amu> yep
[08:10] <amu> the other, 11mbit, it's just airport
[08:13] <amu> This chipset is a broadcom 4301 chipset. The drivers for this chipset can not be released by the manafacturers because this card has the ability to broadcast in a spectrum that is reserved for military use.
[08:14] <amu>  Because of this, broadcom imposes these limitations in software. By releasing the specifications on how to get this card to work, they may be inadvertantly allowing people to broadcast on a restricted frequency, and therefore making them liable.
[08:14] <amu> 
[08:15] <KaiL> lol, and they think, nobody can hack the normal driver to do this too? Idiots...
[08:23] <amu> they tried but noone was offical successful :) even with a mofified ndiswrapper 
[08:23] <KaiL> ...official
[08:24] <KaiL> if you are, you'll have some big holes in your door next day? ;)
[08:31] <amu> :)
[09:28] <uniq> shit.. why didn't i focus on this channel.. 
[09:29] <uniq> i ordered the ibook 12".. 
[09:31] <uniq> amu: how do you solve the wlan-issue? 
[09:32] <amu> on the ibook with usb-wlan 
[09:33] <uniq> ok.. any card you can recommend? 
[09:33] <amu> about 20Euro for a Dlink DWL-122 
[09:33] <uniq> support for kismet and all?
[09:33] <amu> never tried :) i'll not do such illegal scan things *g* 
[09:34] <uniq> illegal? :)
[09:34] <amu> ;-)
[09:34] <uniq> to put it in another way.. i have a 3com atmel based.. that can't find any accesspoints by itself.
[09:36] <amu> you should ask you administraor about access *runningaway* 
[09:37] <uniq> do you call the airport administration to get the essid and stuff for the public wlan? :)
[09:41] <amu> ;) 
[10:00] <uniq> DWL-122 on it's way :)
[10:25] <uniq> amu: you think i should cancel the ibook order and get the powerbook? 
[10:28] <uniq> the only big thing is sleep right? - do I pay the extra $ to get 1.5Ghz, dvd-r and the extra firewire-port? :)
[10:33] <uniq> I'll leave it with the ibook.. 
[10:47] <amu> uniq: depends what you need and how much money you want spend :) 
[10:48] <amu> you get a ibook for 900E a pb costs 1600E
[10:48] <uniq> I ordered the ibook 12", 512M, 60G, no bluetooth.
[10:48] <amu> firefire never used it realy, my extern hdd support both, usb is fast enough and just works 
[10:49] <uniq> I think it'll fit my needs well.. 
[10:49] <uniq> I'm basically just replacing a huge noisy monster of a fujitsu amd64-thingie.. 
[10:49] <amu> DVD, dont need it also, i've 2 desktops with DVD burners ... so save to money and order 1 gig ram  
[10:50] <uniq> I've burned one dvd on this laptop.. just to test.. don't need it.
[10:51] <uniq> I've got a amd64 3700+.. it's running at 800mhz (out of 2.4Ghz) don't need it.. 
[10:51] <amu> yep, sometimes it's easier, well but i can park them on the hdd and move it to the desktop 
[10:51] <amu> so DVD isnt realy usefull for me 
[10:53] <uniq> do you have sleep working?
[10:53] <amu> yep
[10:55] <allee> uniq: no bluetooth?  Pity (IMHO) one kdebluetooth tester less ;)
[10:55] <uniq> allee: well.. I can get a usb-thingie to support you :)
[10:56] <allee> I'll make a note ;)
[10:56] <uniq> I'll find a cheap usb-thing and add it to the dwl-122 order i just submitted :)
[11:34] <uniq> amu: thanks for the info :)
[11:35] <uniq> and g'nite to all.
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[11:44] <amu> uniq: n,p i'm sure, there will be soon more questions :)