[12:02] ivoks, its not existing yet... thom works on it and will offer it if it works basically === ajmitch_ will need to hunt down thom & work with him === thom [~thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] speaking f the devil [12:06] of even [12:06] lol [12:07] urh? [12:07] thom we were talking [12:07] thom, ajmitch_ was hunting you [12:07] ooook [12:07] and... we all agree u should give us results of network manager :) [12:07] thom: I was talking about my madness of helping with NetworkMagic [12:07] ajmitch_: hehe :-) [12:07] NM is waiting on new dbus and hal crack [12:08] (and my wrists are about to mutiny, so I'm going to bed) [12:08] night all [12:08] night thom [12:08] night [12:08] night thom [12:13] night thom [12:19] so I wonder if we should have another MOTU meeting at some point soon? dholbach was wanting this, yes? [12:20] dunno if he was wanting it, but we should have one soon... [12:20] lets get together after the CC meeting and make up a date for it [12:21] I think he was wanting to discuss the c++ transition [12:21] ok :) [12:21] CC meeting is 4am for me [12:21] there is a lot of stuff to discuss.. [12:21] hmm [12:22] yep [12:22] i only thought its the time where most people are araound anyway since they will show up at CC [12:22] I might try & get to CC [12:25] beagle failed :/ [12:25] in what context? [12:25] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html [12:25] but blam built !! [12:25] on amd64 [12:25] :) [12:26] ok [12:26] meeeh [12:27] dbus-mono failed on amd64 [12:28] :) [12:28] hey would any of you guys be able to figure this out quick - i have a wlan card, its recognised (TI acx 111), detects the wireless network, but refuses to get a DHCP address [12:28] bah, because gtk-sharp wasnt moved from the buildd to the archive when the build started .... [12:28] ogra: did my upload fail? [12:28] ajmitch_, yep [12:28] :( [12:29] missing build-dep on zip, will add noew [12:30] yep :) [12:30] abarbaccia signal level? [12:30] ivoks, full [12:30] in windows i connect no problem - [12:31] i think its the drivers for the card - acx drivers are still developmental [12:31] abarbaccia what dhcp client does it start? [12:31] might just pick up a new card [12:31] hold o [12:31] n [12:31] lemme check === ajmitch_ uses pbuilder this time round.. [12:31] wifi-radar (upstream) starts dhcpd [12:31] heh [12:31] my deb starts dhclient3 [12:32] which is default in ubuntu and debian [12:32] DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6 [12:32] so... it works [12:32] it'll do this to a bunch of different intervals but never obtain an address [12:33] No DHCPOFFERS received. [12:33] No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. [12:34] odd right? [12:37] don't know... [12:41] whatever - i will probably pick up a different card bc this one drops signal all the time too - which is annoying [12:41] hm [12:41] mine too [12:41] you would have loved UDU then ;) [12:41] but i'm sure card isn't the problem [12:42] time for bed [12:43] bye [12:44] hmm, when mono moves to main, only ogra will currently be able to upload fixes (for now) :) [12:44] anybody here use wireless? [12:44] that could recommend a card [12:45] I use a dlink 650 something :) [12:45] uses madwifi driver, anyway [12:45] seems to be adequate === tseng tests new beagle build [12:49] tseng: I'm just about to upload -0ubuntu4 [12:49] uh [12:49] ok. [12:49] just added zip to B-D [12:49] unless there's any other changes that need done? [12:49] make me the maintainer [12:50] ok [12:50] and get rid of mint [12:50] make -jit on amd64 also [12:50] or just remove that arch bit [12:51] did the CC meeting already go down? [12:51] we still have unofficial sparc & hppa to contend with [12:52] schweeb: nope, just kickoff [12:52] k [12:52] no we dont [12:52] "unofficial" [12:52] hppa has no hope [12:52] I haven't yet gotten sparc to run on anything [12:52] heh [12:52] sparc can do whatever they want [12:52] if they want to send me a patch.. fine [12:52] sparc pretty much just runs on whatever fabbione's hardware is, heh [12:52] i dont have hardware or motivation to fix their shiz [12:54] debuilding [12:56] sudo pbuilder debuild never works for me [12:56] such shithouse [12:58] now we watch for buildd breakage [12:59] tseng, ajmitch_ i care for dbus-mono if nobody else claims it... [12:59] did you builder? === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] ogra: its going away [12:59] ogra: when mono is in main [12:59] wont have to care very long [12:59] it'll be part of the dbus source package again [12:59] i might de-/usr/share/dotnet it [12:59] tseng, yep, but for now nothing depending on it builds on amd64 [12:59] in the mean time [12:59] go ahead [12:59] ogra: uh, know why? [01:00] it doesnt build [01:00] i see [01:00] go for it [01:00] then ill get your source and de /usr/share/dotnet [01:00] unless you want to tackle that [01:00] nope i dont :) [01:00] k [01:00] ogra: it was missing gtk-sharp on amd64 [01:01] ajmitch_, nope [01:02] it was missing a build-dep on libglib-cil [01:02] gtk-sharp is there [01:02] ok.. [01:02] I was close :) [01:02] argh [01:02] and it still has dh_netdep etc... [01:03] clean that up a little, doesn't take much [01:11] hey all - if i wanted to test beagle, is there a package for it? because i can't find one [01:11] abarbaccia, its currenly building [01:11] nice [01:12] which means it might still beake before it finishes... [01:12] break [01:14] i think im going to start with testing thigns - i changed all my sources to breezy - anything else i should add [01:16] well the mono team seems to getting off to a good start [01:20] yeah, lets make sure everything builds and move on to main [01:21] dh_netdeps is gone [01:21] change it to dh_clideps or dh_makeclilibs === tseng makes another patch to blam [01:21] the author has NFC what im talking about [01:21] pretty rich [01:22] so how does this process usually work? [01:22] of development of universe [01:22] which process? === diamond [~diamond@194.46.79.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] randomly & haphazardly, for the most part [01:22] new uploads are reviewed by other MOTUs [01:23] tseng, lol [01:23] but how do we choose what "new uploads" to put in? [01:23] new packages? [01:23] changes are uploaded by MOTUs, usually fixes to existing packages [01:24] okay - so fixes - updated packages and stuff [01:24] abarbaccia, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ExpandingUniverse [01:24] and its uploaded to the breezy universe [01:24] god damn you have a wiki for everything [01:24] yes, we don't upload to hoary or warty anymore [01:24] wikis are our life [01:29] i've never used a wiki [01:29] im actually fairly new to linux (< 1 year) [01:30] now do most of u use gnome or kde [01:30] gnome, mostly [01:30] there is kubuntu here also [01:30] gnome only [01:30] they wear kilts and stuff [01:30] eat babies [01:30] and sandals [01:31] mmmm....babies [01:32] lol [01:32] just what i though [01:32] t [01:32] i used to be a kde guy [01:32] then i grew a set === ajmitch_ cleans up some c++ transition entries on the wiki.. [01:33] I think we'll need to recheck that list for packages fixed in debian === goedson [~goedson@200.150.28.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] think we can get a menu editor in breezy that actually works efficiently [01:36] abarbaccia, gnome 2.12 will have a internal one [01:36] well at least someone is thinking -because these are just annoyances that should be handled by the gdm [01:37] and bluetooth is a big goal for breezy right? because i know in hoary it didnt work but was working in warty [01:37] yep, bluetooth and better laptop support [01:37] well, i think laptop support is decent - i got it fully installed on a buddies Dell 700m [01:38] wireless and all - a little ndiswrapper and screenresolution patch for the high def widescreen and it was cake [01:38] took about an install + 2 hours [01:38] but suspend to ram is still an issue for example [01:38] hurm [01:39] mostly because ACPI is not fun to get working on every laptop [01:40] abarbaccia, btw http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopMission [01:40] ;) [01:42] ogra: good news - beagle built fine on i386 & powerpc [01:42] bad news is there's not amd64 build log yet [01:42] ajmitch_, yep, i monitor it... [01:42] :) [01:42] ajmitch_, it wont build [01:42] dep-wait? [01:42] (no dbus yet) [01:43] ah === ogra doubts evolution sharp is built for amd64 yet [01:47] ajmitch_, dbus is there... [01:47] great [01:47] do you sit refreshing the page, or can you subscribe to changes? === goedson [~goedson@200.150.28.20] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:48] you can sub if you wish [01:50] ajmitch_, i refresh it from time to time... got it always open anywhere [01:50] ok [01:50] changes doesnt show the build logs === ogra will write a frameset that autorefreshes the logs constantly... [01:51] or a cgi or whatever [01:52] and provide it as RSS :) [01:52] yep [01:52] I should finish off the tool that shows differences between sid & breezy [01:53] and get it to grab debdiffs from MoM === ajmitch_ sets his aims at > 500 uploads for breezy ;) [01:53] heh === womble [~mpalmer@newkevlar.wgong.baileyroberts.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] bbl :) === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IFR__ [~chatzilla@cpe-69-204-132-232.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] Evening all. It may seem inappropriate to ask here but all - I mean _ALL_ other avenues have failed me. I have 5.04 on a presario 4020 centrino with an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 ipw2200 and I cannot seem to ever release a DHCP lease; sudo ifdown eth0 tells me eth0 is not configured; sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart or force-reload are ineffective and nothing short of reboot can get me back... [02:36] ...online. Can Anyone think of how I can address this? dhcpcd? pump? Smashing the notebook? [02:37] my ipw2200 is eth1 [02:37] I *swear* mine is eth0 [02:37] though I can dump ifconfig/iwconfig or /etc/network/interfaces if you wish... [02:38] I think it's cause I selected it as my primary interface on install. [02:39] Could it be as simple as that? Changing primary to be the ethernet adapter and then starting wireless after boot? [02:39] But why wouldn't sudo ifdown eth0 recognize the configuration? [02:41] Oh well. Thanks any folks. . . [02:41] er...*anyway [02:41] IFR__: I have that problem occasionally [02:41] IFR__: what I do is manually edit /etc/network/interfaces [02:41] then sudo if{down,up} $iface [02:42] hopefully this will be resolved with Breezy [02:51] tseng, uploading a fixed tomboy (added missing build-deps libgconf-cil and libglib-cil) [02:52] k === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] I was just looking at the londondlaw failure. It is looking for python-dev <= 2.4, while the dev we have is 2.4.1 [03:10] tseng, what about gsf-sharp ? does our beagle use it ? if yes, i have a fixed package ready to upload... [03:10] would it be dangerous to flip that a higher number? [03:13] ogra: if it doesn't use it, it should be modified to... it requires you to add a cmd line switch during compilation though [03:13] ok, then i'll upload it... [03:15] yay, we got amd64 tomboy love :-D [03:16] ogra: it does [03:16] htf did i/jeff miss all this [03:17] tseng, great... hopefully my timing is better this time and it gets to the archive before the next beagle tries to build [03:18] beagle needs it at compile time iirc... [03:18] yes, it does [03:18] i added most of this stuff during hoary [03:18] i didnt keep that package around [03:19] its only missing on amd64 currently === ajmitch_ returns (briefly) [03:43] hot [03:43] katie sent me the notification for gsf-sharp upload [03:43] sure, its your package ;) [03:44] hehe [03:45] I'll update it from upstream sometime next week maybe === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-196-235.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] well I guess I could recreate a new package for getwifi since it hasn't be reviewed [04:02] jabra: feel free to do so [04:04] just added new features to it [04:04] connection to networks with wep [04:04] useful - does it do WPA as well? [04:08] I will add that next [04:08] I replaced some of the deps like head and tail with awk one liners [04:08] it is going to have wpasupplicant as a dep for wpa [04:09] I plan on having a friend of mine test it [04:10] the only thing that will prevent it from being ported to openbsd or freebsd or mac is /proc/net/wireless === abarbaccia [~abarbacci@ool-18b8cf07.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] hey all [04:36] hi [04:36] ajmitch_, wanna help me out with getting started on something [04:36] just teach me a little bit about how to be productive [04:37] there's no central todo list yet, so mostly it's fixing stuff that you find out wrong on your own ATM [04:38] alright, so lets say I realized that a program is broken - lets say best for example [04:38] how would i go about fixing it [04:39] well, to learn about packaging, read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide [04:39] to actually fix the package [04:39] download the source deb [04:39] make whatever changes are necessary [04:39] append to the changelog [04:40] rebuild the package [04:40] upload for review [04:43] hurm [04:44] i'll start with the guide [04:53] schweeb: thanks for answering :) === ajmitch_ is at work, it's a slow day so fixing up some packages [04:55] heh [04:55] since I'm not packaging currently, it's the least I can do [05:12] so basically for this new release we are taking old packages, making packages of the new version, and uploading them - then anything that breaks has to be fixed and repackaged until its complete and starts all over again [05:25] it's generally a bad thing to start a package entirely from scratch [05:25] if that's what you're asking [05:46] usually new upstream versions flow through from debian anyway [06:06] ajmitch_: hey dude [06:07] hey all [06:09] i had dholbach review one of my packages. he rejected the package on the basis that there were patches in the diff.gz. but all i've done is grabbed the package from debian and built it for ubuntu. so i never introduced the patches. now i don't mind putting the patches into debian/patches but that would make it hard to upgrade to the next debian version. whats the right thing to do here? [06:15] Unfrgiven: you could formally request a sync [06:15] schweeb: how would i do that? [06:16] I think there's still a MOTUToSync page [06:17] schweeb: thanks, i'll check it out [06:18] other than that, you could poke elmo... I'm not sure how to formal process really works [06:20] schweeb: ok thanks. === ajmitch_ returns from work [06:42] hi Unfrgiven === |QuaD-_ [~QuaD@beac872-0b01-dhcp144.bu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === g14 [~g14@c-67-171-59-176.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] <|QuaD-_> how long after something finnishes building (confirmed from ~lamont/buildLogs) until it is in the repos? === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089D75E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089D75E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] <\sh> morning [07:54] <|QuaD-_> he \sh [07:54] <|QuaD-_> *hey [07:55] hello [07:58] <\sh> grmpf...si server is not running [07:58] <|QuaD-_> si server, not familiar with that [07:58] <\sh> digital tv stuff :( messy stuff ;) [07:58] <|QuaD-_> oh, heh, i don't watch tv, i dl it :) [07:59] <\sh> |QuaD-_: i'm not watching tv as well...i'm only working in this business :) [07:59] <|QuaD-_> haha, that also works [08:00] |QuaD-_, go ahead and ask your question here. [08:00] <\sh> and here in germany u won't get any original series like the ones from CBS or ABC ;) [08:00] <|QuaD-_> tritium: i did above... i don't think anyone answered the general one [08:00] <|QuaD-_> tritium: i was just looking at beagle: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful but when i browse http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/beagle/ there is nothign [08:00] <|QuaD-_> is there a reason for that? [08:00] <|QuaD-_> (that wasn't meant for tritium [08:00] <|QuaD-_> ) === dholbach [~daniel@td9091ba5.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] good morning [08:08] morning dholbach [08:09] hey andrew [08:09] reviewing day at my end of the world today [08:09] guten morgen! [08:09] hey michael [08:09] how are you today? [08:09] hey daniel [08:10] still a bit sleepy, but i'll have some tea soon === ajmitch_ is just hacking again :) [08:13] <\sh> morning dholbach [08:13] hey \sh === |QuaD-_ hopefully can help out and join the motu after graduation [08:14] |QuaD-_: oh nice to hear that... if you run into questions or anything - we'll be there [08:14] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: i have no idea anything about anything, but i have 1 final and my thesis left before i can start learning [08:15] |QuaD-_: same for me: 1 exam, 1 thesis :-) [08:15] |QuaD-_, me too :-) [08:15] but that's how all of us started: no idea about anything, so don't worry :-))) === \sh has no idea at all ;) [08:16] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: :) we will see what happens :) [08:17] as long as you have fun trying to achieve something in the ubuntu world... :-) [08:17] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: there are soo many things on my list of todo's once i graduate, i can't wait to start cracking them [08:17] ROCK :-) [08:19] <|QuaD-_> so does anyone know my question to the above question? [08:20] <|QuaD-_> as to why something built successfully but isn't in the repos? [08:20] if it is a NEW package, elmo (our ftpmaster) has to review it [08:20] same for -{updates,security} [08:20] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: so it is awaiting review? [08:20] dunno which package you're talking about [08:21] i suppose i wasnt here, when you asked the question [08:21] <|QuaD-_> i was just looking at beagle: [08:21] <|QuaD-_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful but when i browse [08:21] <|QuaD-_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/beagle/ there is nothign [08:21] that can happen sometimes [08:21] when the buildd is being fun [08:21] i think it will need a review, it's NEW, isnt it ajmitch_? [08:22] just be patient, lamont or elmo will kick it quickly enough [08:22] <|QuaD-_> ajmitch_: ahh, ok, i was just curious, trying to understand the system [08:22] dholbach: packages are only built after they pass NEW [08:22] <|QuaD-_> kinda like how i can't figure out how i was just looking at beagle: [08:22] <|QuaD-_> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful but when i browse [08:22] <|QuaD-_> ignore that paste [08:23] <|QuaD-_> i meant to say, kinda like how i am trying to figure out how something like http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bhl/ has an "all.deb" [08:23] <|QuaD-_> don't different cpu's require individual compiles/ [08:23] yes, they do [08:23] <|QuaD-_> so how does an all.deb work? [08:23] but some packages don't have cpu-dependant files [08:23] some packages (like perl/python scripts) don't need to be "compiled", they just pass the i386 buildd and are *all.deb [08:24] <|QuaD-_> ohhh, ok... that makes sense [08:24] <|QuaD-_> but anything that needs to be compiled, can't have an all.deb? [08:25] as ajmitch_ said: depends on architecture dependant stuff [08:25] <|QuaD-_> ok [08:27] good night. see you after a few hours sleep [08:27] <|QuaD-_> heh, i should probably study for my final tomorrow :* [08:27] <|QuaD-_> :( [08:27] sleep tight, michael [08:27] thanks, dholbach -- see you at the CC mtg. [08:27] (I assume) [08:28] good luck, |QuaD-_ [08:28] <|QuaD-_> thanks...ttyl [08:28] i'll be there [08:32] great, now I can compare source packages & their versions [08:36] cool :-) [08:40] <\sh> hmm...looking at ser to package it [08:48] Debian version of decompyle is newer : 2.3.2-2 vs 2.3-1ubuntu1 [08:48] Debian version of bbdate is newer : 0.2.4-4.1 vs 0.2.4-4ubuntu1 [08:48] yay, the script works [08:48] rather slowly, but it works ;) [08:50] i had the idea, that at the end of the release cycle, when we don't have autosyncs anymore, we could grep through the .gz-file of debian-changes-lists and look for "bugfix" and "security" [08:53] <\sh> well done [08:53] <\sh> ser is compiled and packaged ;) [08:54] dholbach: good idea [08:57] <\sh> now for lintian smoothness === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:03] hey charles [09:06] hey Andrew [09:06] hows is going dude? [09:06] hey charles... why did you change your nick? :-) [09:07] chmj: reviewing packages [09:07] going well, just planning a frantic few days of uploading ;) [09:07] dholbach, issin't it obvious ? [09:07] erm [09:07] not to me [09:07] :-) [09:07] ajmitch_, good stuff [09:07] dholbach: great, I'm going to try & handle merging changes we made in hoary back in now that I have the tools [09:08] dholbach, d3vic3 is kinda l33t, everyone was telling me that so I decided to change it [09:08] :-) [09:08] oh alright... i didn't complain :-) [09:09] it wasn't as bad as ajmitch is [09:09] heh === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0632.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] dholbach: do you know if gedit-dev is in main or universe? [09:10] no idea [09:10] the binary at least appears to be in universe, with the source in main [09:10] which is rather odd [09:14] morning [09:14] hey all - you say morning - what time zone are you guys in [09:15] because its 3AM here in NYC [09:15] <\sh> here its 9:15am [09:15] same here... 9AM [09:15] abarbaccia then it's morning to you too :) [09:16] lol - except im going to sleep - not getting [09:16] up [09:16] 7:16 here in NZ [09:16] pm [09:16] we are from all over the world... [09:16] that's nice [09:16] as much as i want to be nocturnal, my body is rejecting the idea - see you all in the morning [09:17] <\sh> it is morning ;) [09:17] morning for me is past noon [09:17] when he comes back, we will be tierd [09:17] ready to sleep :) [09:17] we could work it out and have round the clock development [09:17] 247 [09:17] Daniel I see you are doing lot of reviews [09:18] abarbaccia_sleep if you calculate that better [09:18] abarbaccia_sleep you would see that we could work 48 hours a day [09:18] all the work would be done in 10.05.2005. [09:20] ajmitch_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&resolution=---&resolution=UNIVERSE [09:21] LOTS OF STUFF TO DO [09:21] lots of merging [09:21] dholbach: I know :) [09:21] i wish i had'nt worked on so many packages ;-) === AstralJava [8b7e778eaf@cm-217-078-207-29.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] it gives me a chance to get > 200 packages uploaded this time ;) === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0632.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] dholbach: great link. thanks [09:37] siretart: the universe merging? [09:37] dholbach: the link to the universe bugzilla bugs [09:37] i've already spotted a few bugs for which I will prepare uploads [09:37] ROCK [09:37] but perhaps not for tomorrow :( [09:38] before.. [09:38] gotta go now.. bye! [09:38] bye siretart === ajmitch_ wonders if he should fix seahorse, or get gedit-dev fixed [09:42] dholbach: mr GNOME guy, what do you think? gedit-dev needs a depend on libgnomeprintui2.2-dev :) [09:47] quiet day today - 4 hours between uploads, both of them mine === ajmitch_ has already done nearly half the uploads he did in the hoary cycle ;) [09:50] busy guys :) [09:50] heh [09:50] can I help? :) [09:50] does anjuta work yet? [09:50] i tried both v1 and v2 out a couple months ago [09:50] all the indenting was broken [09:50]