[12:02] <ogra> ivoks, its not existing yet... thom works on it and will offer it if it works basically
[12:06] <ogra> speaking f the devil
[12:06] <ogra> of even
[12:06] <ivoks> lol
[12:07] <thom> urh?
[12:07] <ivoks> thom we were talking
[12:07] <ogra> thom, ajmitch_ was hunting you
[12:07] <thom> ooook
[12:07] <ivoks> and... we all agree u should give us results of network manager :)
[12:07] <ajmitch_> thom: I was talking about my madness of helping with NetworkMagic
[12:07] <thom> ajmitch_: hehe :-)
[12:07] <thom> NM is waiting on new dbus and hal crack
[12:08] <thom> (and my wrists are about to mutiny, so I'm going to bed)
[12:08] <thom> night all
[12:08] <ajmitch_> night thom
[12:08] <ivoks> night
[12:08] <ogra> night thom
[12:13] <Fackamato> night thom
[12:19] <ajmitch_> so I wonder if we should have another MOTU meeting at some point soon? dholbach was wanting this, yes?
[12:20] <ogra> dunno if he was wanting it, but we should have one soon...
[12:20] <ogra> lets get together after the CC meeting and make up a date for it
[12:21] <ajmitch_> I think he was wanting to discuss the c++ transition
[12:21] <ajmitch_> ok :)
[12:21] <ajmitch_> CC meeting is 4am for me
[12:21] <ogra> there is a lot of stuff to discuss..
[12:21] <ogra> hmm
[12:22] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:22] <ogra> i only thought its the time where most people are araound anyway since they will show up at CC
[12:22] <ajmitch_> I might try & get to CC
[12:25] <ogra> beagle failed :/
[12:25] <tseng> in what context?
[12:25] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[12:25] <ogra> but blam built !!
[12:25] <ogra> on amd64
[12:25] <ogra> :)
[12:26] <tseng> ok
[12:26] <ogra> meeeh
[12:27] <ogra> dbus-mono failed on amd64
[12:28] <ivoks> :)
[12:28] <abarbaccia> hey would any of you guys be able to figure this out quick - i have a wlan card, its recognised (TI acx 111), detects the wireless network, but refuses to get a DHCP address
[12:28] <ogra> bah, because gtk-sharp wasnt moved from the buildd to the archive when the build started ....
[12:28] <ajmitch_> ogra: did my upload fail?
[12:28] <ogra> ajmitch_, yep
[12:28] <ajmitch_> :(
[12:29] <ajmitch_> missing build-dep on zip, will add noew
[12:30] <ogra> yep :)
[12:30] <ivoks> abarbaccia signal level?
[12:30] <abarbaccia> ivoks, full
[12:30] <abarbaccia> in windows i connect no problem -
[12:31] <abarbaccia> i think its the drivers for the card - acx drivers are still developmental
[12:31] <ivoks> abarbaccia what dhcp client does it start?
[12:31] <abarbaccia> might just pick up a new card
[12:31] <abarbaccia> hold o
[12:31] <abarbaccia> n
[12:31] <abarbaccia> lemme check
[12:31] <ivoks> wifi-radar (upstream) starts dhcpd
[12:31] <ogra> heh
[12:31] <ivoks> my deb starts dhclient3
[12:32] <ivoks> which is default in ubuntu and debian
[12:32] <abarbaccia> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
[12:32] <ivoks> so... it works
[12:32] <abarbaccia> it'll do this to a bunch of different intervals but never obtain an address
[12:33] <abarbaccia> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[12:33] <abarbaccia> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[12:34] <abarbaccia> odd right?
[12:37] <ivoks> don't know...
[12:41] <abarbaccia> whatever - i will probably pick up a different card bc this one drops signal all the time too - which is annoying
[12:41] <ivoks> hm
[12:41] <ivoks> mine too
[12:41] <ajmitch_> you would have loved UDU then ;)
[12:41] <ivoks> but i'm sure card isn't the problem
[12:42] <ivoks> time for bed
[12:43] <ivoks> bye
[12:44] <ajmitch_> hmm, when mono moves to main, only ogra will currently be able to upload fixes (for now) :)
[12:44] <abarbaccia> anybody here use wireless?
[12:44] <abarbaccia> that could recommend a card
[12:45] <ajmitch_> I use a dlink 650 something :)
[12:45] <ajmitch_> uses madwifi driver, anyway
[12:45] <ajmitch_> seems to be adequate
[12:49] <ajmitch_> tseng: I'm just about to upload -0ubuntu4
[12:49] <tseng> uh
[12:49] <tseng> ok.
[12:49] <ajmitch_> just added zip to B-D
[12:49] <ajmitch_> unless there's any other changes that need done?
[12:49] <tseng> make me the maintainer
[12:50] <ajmitch_> ok
[12:50] <tseng> and get rid of mint
[12:50] <tseng> make -jit on amd64 also
[12:50] <tseng> or just remove that arch bit
[12:51] <schweeb> did the CC meeting already go down?
[12:51] <ajmitch_> we still have unofficial sparc & hppa to contend with
[12:52] <ajmitch_> schweeb: nope, just kickoff
[12:52] <schweeb> k
[12:52] <tseng> no we dont
[12:52] <tseng> "unofficial"
[12:52] <tseng> hppa has no hope
[12:52] <schweeb> I haven't yet gotten sparc to run on anything
[12:52] <schweeb> heh
[12:52] <tseng> sparc can do whatever they want
[12:52] <tseng> if they want to send me a patch.. fine
[12:52] <schweeb> sparc pretty much just runs on whatever fabbione's hardware is, heh
[12:52] <tseng> i dont have hardware or motivation to fix their shiz
[12:54] <ajmitch_> debuilding
[12:56] <tseng> sudo pbuilder debuild never works for me
[12:56] <tseng> such shithouse
[12:58] <ajmitch_> now we watch for buildd breakage
[12:59] <ogra> tseng, ajmitch_ i care for dbus-mono if nobody else claims it...
[12:59] <tseng> did you builder?
[12:59] <tseng> ogra: its going away
[12:59] <tseng> ogra: when mono is in main
[12:59] <tseng> wont have to care very long
[12:59] <ajmitch_> it'll be part of the dbus source package again
[12:59] <tseng> i might de-/usr/share/dotnet it
[12:59] <ogra> tseng, yep, but for now nothing depending on it builds on amd64
[12:59] <tseng> in the mean time
[12:59] <ajmitch_> go ahead
[12:59] <tseng> ogra: uh, know why?
[01:00] <ogra> it doesnt build
[01:00] <tseng> i see
[01:00] <tseng> go for it
[01:00] <tseng> then ill get your source and de /usr/share/dotnet
[01:00] <tseng> unless you want to tackle that
[01:00] <ogra> nope i dont :)
[01:00] <tseng> k
[01:00] <ajmitch_> ogra: it was missing gtk-sharp on amd64
[01:01] <ogra> ajmitch_, nope
[01:02] <ogra> it was missing a build-dep on libglib-cil
[01:02] <ogra> gtk-sharp is there
[01:02] <ajmitch_> ok..
[01:02] <ajmitch_> I was close :)
[01:02] <ogra> argh
[01:02] <ogra> and it still has dh_netdep etc...
[01:03] <ajmitch_> clean that up a little, doesn't take much
[01:11] <abarbaccia> hey all - if i wanted to test beagle, is there a package for it?  because i can't find one
[01:11] <ogra> abarbaccia, its currenly building
[01:11] <abarbaccia> nice
[01:12] <ogra> which means it might still beake before it finishes...
[01:12] <ogra> break
[01:14] <abarbaccia> i think im going to start with testing thigns - i changed all my sources to breezy - anything else i should add
[01:16] <ajmitch_> well the mono team seems to getting off to a good start
[01:20] <ogra> yeah, lets make sure everything builds and move on to main
[01:21] <tseng> dh_netdeps is gone
[01:21] <tseng> change it to dh_clideps or dh_makeclilibs
[01:21] <tseng> the author has NFC what im talking about
[01:21] <tseng> pretty rich
[01:22] <abarbaccia> so how does this process usually work?
[01:22] <abarbaccia> of development of universe
[01:22] <ajmitch_> which process?
[01:22] <ajmitch_> randomly & haphazardly, for the most part
[01:22] <ajmitch_> new uploads are reviewed by other MOTUs
[01:23] <ogra> tseng, lol
[01:23] <abarbaccia> but how do we choose what "new uploads" to put in?
[01:23] <tseng> new packages?
[01:23] <ajmitch_> changes are uploaded by MOTUs, usually fixes to existing packages
[01:24] <abarbaccia> okay - so fixes - updated packages and stuff
[01:24] <ogra> abarbaccia, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ExpandingUniverse
[01:24] <abarbaccia> and its uploaded to the breezy universe
[01:24] <abarbaccia> god damn you have a wiki for everything
[01:24] <ajmitch_> yes, we don't upload to hoary or warty anymore
[01:24] <ajmitch_> wikis are our life
[01:29] <abarbaccia> i've never used a wiki
[01:29] <abarbaccia> im actually fairly new to linux (< 1 year)
[01:30] <abarbaccia> now do most of u use gnome or kde
[01:30] <tseng> gnome, mostly
[01:30] <tseng> there is kubuntu here also
[01:30] <ogra> gnome only
[01:30] <tseng> they wear kilts and stuff
[01:30] <tseng> eat babies
[01:30] <ogra> and sandals
[01:31] <zul> mmmm....babies
[01:32] <abarbaccia> lol
[01:32] <abarbaccia> just what i though
[01:32] <abarbaccia> t
[01:32] <abarbaccia> i used to be a kde guy
[01:32] <abarbaccia> then i grew a set
[01:33] <ajmitch_> I think we'll need to recheck that list for packages fixed in debian
[01:35] <abarbaccia> think we can get a menu editor in breezy that actually works efficiently
[01:36] <ogra> abarbaccia, gnome 2.12 will have a internal one
[01:36] <abarbaccia> well at least someone is thinking -because these are just annoyances that should be handled by the gdm
[01:37] <abarbaccia> and bluetooth is a big goal for breezy right?  because i know in hoary it didnt work but was working in warty
[01:37] <ogra> yep, bluetooth and better laptop support
[01:37] <abarbaccia> well, i think laptop support is decent - i got it fully installed on a buddies Dell 700m
[01:38] <abarbaccia> wireless and all - a little ndiswrapper and screenresolution patch for the high def widescreen and it was cake
[01:38] <abarbaccia> took about an install + 2 hours
[01:38] <ogra> but suspend to ram is still an issue for example
[01:38] <abarbaccia> hurm
[01:39] <ajmitch_> mostly because ACPI is not fun to get working on every laptop
[01:40] <ogra> abarbaccia, btw http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopMission
[01:40] <ogra> ;)
[01:42] <ajmitch_> ogra: good news - beagle built fine on i386 & powerpc
[01:42] <ajmitch_> bad news is there's not amd64 build log yet
[01:42] <ogra> ajmitch_, yep, i monitor it...
[01:42] <ajmitch_> :)
[01:42] <ogra> ajmitch_, it wont build
[01:42] <ajmitch_> dep-wait?
[01:42] <ogra> (no dbus yet)
[01:43] <ajmitch_> ah
[01:47] <ogra> ajmitch_, dbus is there...
[01:47] <ajmitch_> great
[01:47] <ajmitch_> do you sit refreshing the page, or can you subscribe to changes?
[01:48] <crimsun> you can sub if you wish
[01:50] <ogra> ajmitch_, i refresh it from time to time... got it always open anywhere
[01:50] <ajmitch_> ok
[01:50] <ogra> changes doesnt show the build logs
[01:51] <ogra> or a cgi or whatever
[01:52] <ajmitch_> and provide it as RSS :)
[01:52] <ogra> yep
[01:52] <ajmitch_> I should finish off the tool that shows differences between sid & breezy
[01:53] <ajmitch_> and get it to grab debdiffs from MoM
[01:53] <ogra> heh
[02:02] <ajmitch_> bbl :)
[02:36] <IFR__> Evening all. It may seem inappropriate to ask here but all - I mean _ALL_ other avenues have failed me. I have 5.04 on a presario 4020 centrino with an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 ipw2200 and I cannot seem to ever release a DHCP lease; sudo ifdown eth0 tells me eth0 is not configured; sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart or force-reload are ineffective and nothing short of reboot can get me back...
[02:36] <IFR__> ...online. Can Anyone think of how I can address this? dhcpcd? pump? Smashing the notebook?
[02:37] <tseng> my ipw2200 is eth1
[02:37] <IFR__> I *swear* mine is eth0
[02:37] <IFR__> though I can dump ifconfig/iwconfig or /etc/network/interfaces if you wish...
[02:38] <IFR__> I think it's cause I selected it as my primary interface on install.
[02:39] <IFR__> Could it be as simple as that? Changing primary to be the ethernet adapter and then starting wireless after boot?
[02:39] <IFR__> But why wouldn't sudo ifdown eth0 recognize the configuration?
[02:41] <IFR__> Oh well. Thanks any folks. . .
[02:41] <IFR__> er...*anyway
[02:41] <crimsun> IFR__: I have that problem occasionally
[02:41] <crimsun> IFR__: what I do is manually edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:41] <crimsun> then sudo if{down,up} $iface
[02:42] <crimsun> hopefully this will be resolved with Breezy
[02:51] <ogra> tseng, uploading a fixed tomboy (added missing build-deps libgconf-cil and libglib-cil)
[02:52] <tseng> k
[03:10] <Burgundavia> I was just looking at the londondlaw failure. It is looking for python-dev <= 2.4, while the dev we have is 2.4.1
[03:10] <ogra> tseng, what about gsf-sharp ? does our beagle use it ? if yes, i have a fixed package ready to upload...
[03:10] <Burgundavia> would it be dangerous to flip that a higher number?
[03:13] <schweeb> ogra: if it doesn't use it, it should be modified to... it requires you to add a cmd line switch during compilation though
[03:13] <ogra> ok, then i'll upload it...
[03:15] <ogra> yay, we got amd64 tomboy love :-D
[03:16] <tseng> ogra: it does
[03:16] <tseng> htf did i/jeff miss all this
[03:17] <ogra> tseng, great... hopefully my timing is better this time and it gets to the archive before the next beagle tries to build
[03:18] <ogra> beagle needs it at compile time iirc...
[03:18] <tseng> yes, it does
[03:18] <tseng> i added most of this stuff during hoary
[03:18] <tseng> i didnt keep that package around
[03:19] <ogra> its only missing on amd64 currently
[03:43] <schweeb> hot
[03:43] <schweeb> katie sent me the notification for gsf-sharp upload
[03:43] <ogra> sure, its your package ;)
[03:44] <schweeb> hehe
[03:45] <schweeb> I'll update it from upstream sometime next week maybe
[03:51] <jabra> well I guess I could recreate a new package for getwifi since it hasn't be reviewed
[04:02] <ajmitch_> jabra: feel free to do so
[04:04] <jabra> just added new features to it
[04:04] <jabra> connection to networks with wep
[04:04] <ajmitch_> useful - does it do WPA as well?
[04:08] <jabra> I will add that next
[04:08] <jabra> I replaced some of the deps like head and tail with awk one liners
[04:08] <jabra> it is going to have wpasupplicant as a dep for wpa
[04:09] <jabra> I plan on having a friend of mine test it
[04:10] <jabra> the only thing that will prevent it from being ported to openbsd or freebsd or mac is /proc/net/wireless
[04:29] <abarbaccia> hey all
[04:36] <ajmitch_> hi
[04:36] <abarbaccia> ajmitch_, wanna help me out with getting started on something
[04:36] <abarbaccia> just teach me a little bit about how to be productive
[04:37] <schweeb> there's no central todo list yet, so mostly it's fixing stuff that you find out wrong on your own ATM
[04:38] <abarbaccia> alright, so lets say I realized that a program is broken - lets say best for example
[04:38] <abarbaccia> how would i go about fixing it
[04:39] <schweeb> well, to learn about packaging, read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[04:39] <schweeb> to actually fix the package
[04:39] <schweeb> download the source deb
[04:39] <schweeb> make whatever changes are necessary
[04:39] <schweeb> append to the changelog
[04:40] <schweeb> rebuild the package
[04:40] <schweeb> upload for review
[04:43] <abarbaccia> hurm
[04:44] <abarbaccia> i'll start with the guide
[04:53] <ajmitch_> schweeb: thanks for answering :)
[04:55] <schweeb> heh
[04:55] <schweeb> since I'm not packaging currently, it's the least I can do
[05:12] <abarbaccia> so basically for this new release we are taking old packages, making packages of the new version, and uploading them - then anything that breaks has to be fixed and repackaged until its complete and starts all over again
[05:25] <schweeb> it's generally a bad thing to start a package entirely from scratch
[05:25] <schweeb> if that's what you're asking
[05:46] <ajmitch_> usually new upstream versions flow through from debian anyway
[06:06] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: hey dude
[06:07] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[06:09] <Unfrgiven> i had dholbach review one of my packages. he rejected the package on the basis that there were patches in the diff.gz. but all i've done is grabbed the package from debian and built it for ubuntu. so i never introduced the patches. now i don't mind putting the patches into debian/patches but that would make it hard to upgrade to the next debian version. whats the right thing to do here?
[06:15] <schweeb> Unfrgiven: you could formally request a sync
[06:15] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: how would i do that?
[06:16] <schweeb> I think there's still a MOTUToSync page
[06:17] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: thanks, i'll check it out
[06:18] <schweeb> other than that, you could poke elmo... I'm not sure how to formal process really works
[06:20] <Unfrgiven> schweeb: ok thanks.
[06:42] <ajmitch_> hi Unfrgiven
[07:21] <|QuaD-_> how long after something finnishes building (confirmed from ~lamont/buildLogs) until it is in the repos?
[07:54] <\sh> morning
[07:54] <|QuaD-_> he \sh
[07:54] <|QuaD-_> *hey
[07:55] <ajmitch_> hello
[07:58] <\sh> grmpf...si server is not running
[07:58] <|QuaD-_> si server, not familiar with that
[07:58] <\sh> digital tv stuff :( messy stuff ;)
[07:58] <|QuaD-_> oh, heh, i don't watch tv, i dl it :)
[07:59] <\sh> |QuaD-_: i'm not watching tv as well...i'm only working in this business :)
[07:59] <|QuaD-_> haha, that also works
[08:00] <tritium> |QuaD-_, go ahead and ask your question here.
[08:00] <\sh> and here in germany u won't get any original series like the ones from CBS or ABC ;)
[08:00] <|QuaD-_> tritium: i did above... i don't think anyone answered the general one
[08:00] <|QuaD-_> tritium: i was just looking at beagle: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful   but when i browse http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/beagle/ there is nothign
[08:00] <|QuaD-_> is there a reason for that?
[08:00] <|QuaD-_> (that wasn't meant for tritium
[08:00] <|QuaD-_> )
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <ajmitch_> morning dholbach
[08:09] <dholbach> hey andrew
[08:09] <dholbach> reviewing day at my end of the world today
[08:09] <tritium> guten morgen!
[08:09] <dholbach> hey michael
[08:09] <ajmitch_> how are you today?
[08:09] <tritium> hey daniel
[08:10] <dholbach> still a bit sleepy, but i'll have some tea soon
[08:13] <\sh> morning dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> hey \sh
[08:14] <dholbach> |QuaD-_: oh nice to hear that... if you run into questions or anything - we'll be there
[08:14] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: i have no idea anything about anything, but i have 1 final and my thesis left before i can start learning
[08:15] <dholbach> |QuaD-_: same for me: 1 exam, 1 thesis :-)
[08:15] <tritium> |QuaD-_, me too :-)
[08:15] <dholbach> but that's how all of us started: no idea about anything, so don't worry :-)))
[08:16] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: :) we will see what happens :)
[08:17] <dholbach> as long as you have fun trying to achieve something in the ubuntu world... :-)
[08:17] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: there are soo many things on my list of todo's once i graduate, i can't wait to start cracking them
[08:17] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[08:19] <|QuaD-_> so does anyone know my question to the above question?
[08:20] <|QuaD-_> as to why something built successfully but isn't in the repos?
[08:20] <dholbach> if it is a NEW package, elmo (our ftpmaster) has to review it
[08:20] <dholbach> same for <oldrelease>-{updates,security}
[08:20] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: so it is awaiting review?
[08:20] <dholbach> dunno which package you're talking about
[08:21] <dholbach> i suppose i wasnt here, when you asked the question
[08:21] <|QuaD-_> i was just looking at beagle:
[08:21] <|QuaD-_>                  http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful   but when i browse
[08:21] <|QuaD-_>                  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/beagle/ there is nothign
[08:21] <ajmitch_> that can happen sometimes
[08:21] <ajmitch_> when the buildd is being fun
[08:21] <dholbach> i think it will need a review, it's NEW, isnt it ajmitch_?
[08:22] <ajmitch_> just be patient, lamont or elmo will kick it quickly enough
[08:22] <|QuaD-_> ajmitch_: ahh, ok, i was just curious, trying to understand the system
[08:22] <ajmitch_> dholbach: packages are only built after they pass NEW
[08:22] <|QuaD-_> kinda like how i can't figure out how i was just looking at beagle:
[08:22] <|QuaD-_>                  http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful   but when i browse
[08:22] <|QuaD-_> ignore that paste
[08:23] <|QuaD-_> i meant to say, kinda like how i am trying to figure out how something like http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bhl/ has an "all.deb"
[08:23] <|QuaD-_> don't different cpu's require individual compiles/
[08:23] <ajmitch_> yes, they do
[08:23] <|QuaD-_> so how does an all.deb work?
[08:23] <ajmitch_> but some packages don't have cpu-dependant files
[08:23] <dholbach> some packages (like perl/python scripts) don't need to be "compiled", they just pass the i386 buildd and are *all.deb
[08:24] <|QuaD-_> ohhh, ok... that makes sense
[08:24] <|QuaD-_> but anything that needs to be compiled, can't have an all.deb?
[08:25] <dholbach> as ajmitch_ said: depends on architecture dependant stuff
[08:25] <|QuaD-_> ok
[08:27] <tritium> good night.  see you after a few hours sleep
[08:27] <|QuaD-_> heh, i should probably study for my final tomorrow :*
[08:27] <|QuaD-_> :(
[08:27] <dholbach> sleep tight, michael
[08:27] <tritium> thanks, dholbach -- see you at the CC mtg.
[08:27] <tritium> (I assume)
[08:28] <tritium> good luck, |QuaD-_
[08:28] <|QuaD-_> thanks...ttyl
[08:28] <dholbach> i'll be there
[08:32] <ajmitch_> great, now I can compare source packages & their versions
[08:36] <dholbach> cool :-)
[08:40] <\sh> hmm...looking at ser to package it
[08:48] <ajmitch_> Debian version of decompyle is newer : 2.3.2-2 vs 2.3-1ubuntu1
[08:48] <ajmitch_> Debian version of bbdate is newer : 0.2.4-4.1 vs 0.2.4-4ubuntu1
[08:48] <ajmitch_> yay, the script works
[08:48] <ajmitch_> rather slowly, but it works ;)
[08:50] <dholbach> i had the idea, that at the end of the release cycle, when we don't have autosyncs anymore, we could grep through the .gz-file of debian-changes-lists and look for "bugfix" and "security"
[08:53] <\sh> well done
[08:53] <\sh> ser is compiled and packaged ;)
[08:54] <ajmitch_> dholbach: good idea
[08:57] <\sh> now for lintian smoothness
[09:03] <ajmitch_> hey charles
[09:06] <chmj> hey Andrew
[09:06] <chmj> hows is going dude?
[09:06] <dholbach> hey charles... why did you change your nick? :-)
[09:07] <dholbach> chmj: reviewing packages
[09:07] <ajmitch_> going well, just planning a frantic few days of uploading ;)
[09:07] <chmj> dholbach, issin't it obvious ?
[09:07] <dholbach> erm
[09:07] <dholbach> not to me
[09:07] <dholbach> :-)
[09:07] <chmj> ajmitch_, good stuff
[09:07] <ajmitch_> dholbach: great, I'm going to try & handle merging changes we made in hoary back in now that I have the tools
[09:08] <chmj> dholbach, d3vic3 is kinda l33t, everyone was telling me that so I decided to change it
[09:08] <chmj> :-)
[09:08] <dholbach> oh alright... i didn't complain :-)
[09:09] <ajmitch_> it wasn't as bad as ajmitch is
[09:09] <chmj> heh
[09:10] <ajmitch_> dholbach: do you know if gedit-dev is in main or universe?
[09:10] <dholbach> no idea
[09:10] <ajmitch_> the binary at least appears to be in universe, with the source in main
[09:10] <ajmitch_> which is rather odd
[09:14] <ivoks> morning
[09:14] <abarbaccia> hey all - you say morning - what time zone are you guys in
[09:15] <abarbaccia> because its 3AM here in NYC
[09:15] <\sh> here its 9:15am
[09:15] <ivoks> same here... 9AM
[09:15] <ivoks> abarbaccia then it's morning to you too :)
[09:16] <abarbaccia> lol - except im going to sleep - not getting
[09:16] <abarbaccia> up
[09:16] <ajmitch_> 7:16 here in NZ
[09:16] <ajmitch_> pm
[09:16] <ivoks> we are from all over the world...
[09:16] <ivoks> that's nice
[09:16] <abarbaccia> as much as i want to be nocturnal, my body is rejecting the idea - see you all in the morning
[09:17] <\sh> it is morning ;)
[09:17] <abarbaccia_sleep> morning for me is past noon
[09:17] <ivoks> when he comes back, we will be tierd
[09:17] <ivoks> ready to sleep :)
[09:17] <abarbaccia_sleep> we could work it out and have round the clock development
[09:17] <abarbaccia_sleep> 247
[09:17] <ivoks> Daniel I see you are doing lot of reviews
[09:18] <ivoks> abarbaccia_sleep if you calculate that better
[09:18] <ivoks> abarbaccia_sleep you would see that we could work 48 hours a day
[09:18] <ivoks> all the work would be done in 10.05.2005.
[09:20] <dholbach> ajmitch_: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&resolution=---&resolution=UNIVERSE
[09:21] <dholbach> LOTS OF STUFF TO DO
[09:21] <dholbach> lots of merging
[09:21] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I know :)
[09:21] <dholbach> i wish i had'nt worked on so many packages ;-)
[09:23] <ajmitch_> it gives me a chance to get > 200 packages uploaded this time ;)
[09:36] <siretart> dholbach: great link. thanks
[09:37] <dholbach> siretart: the universe merging?
[09:37] <siretart> dholbach: the link to the universe bugzilla bugs
[09:37] <siretart> i've already spotted a few bugs for which I will prepare uploads
[09:37] <dholbach> ROCK
[09:37] <siretart> but perhaps not for tomorrow :(
[09:38] <siretart> before..
[09:38] <siretart> gotta go now.. bye!
[09:38] <dholbach> bye siretart
[09:42] <ajmitch_> dholbach: mr GNOME guy, what do you think? gedit-dev needs a depend on libgnomeprintui2.2-dev :)
[09:47] <ajmitch_> quiet day today - 4 hours between uploads, both of them mine
[09:50] <ivoks> busy guys :)
[09:50] <Lathiat> heh
[09:50] <ivoks> can I help? :)
[09:50] <Lathiat> does anjuta work yet?
[09:50] <Lathiat> i tried both v1 and v2 out a couple months ago
[09:50] <Lathiat> all the indenting was broken
[09:50] <Lathiat> or you couldnt even run the project within the ide
[09:50] <Lathiat> :(
[09:52] <ajmitch_> heh
[09:56] <AstralJava> Lathiat: Anjuta works in this machine.
[09:56] <AstralJava> Not too big projects though, I'm not very handy when it comes to C/C++. :D
[10:01] <dholbach> ajmitch_: what's wrong with it?
[10:01] <dholbach> ajmitch_: gedit-* that is
[10:02] <ajmitch_> dholbach: missing depends - only shows up when you do pkg-config gedit-2.10 --modversion
[10:03] <dholbach> ajmitch_: i suppose you better talk to seb :-)
[10:03] <dholbach> since i'm no main uploader yet :-)
[10:03] <ajmitch_> aha
[10:03] <ajmitch_> I can work around it easily in seahorse, of course :)
[10:04] <dholbach> tell him, he'll be delighted to hear :-)
[10:04] <ajmitch_> hehe
[10:21] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[10:21] <Unfrgiven> how is everyone this evening?
[10:21] <AstralJava> Can't tell yet. :)
[10:21] <Unfrgiven> AstralJava: :)
[10:21] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven
[10:21] <AstralJava> But thanks anyway, fighting a flu.
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> ah right... its 18:21 in my neck of the woods
[10:22] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hey hows it going
[10:23] <Unfrgiven> im so hanging out for beagle to hit the ubuntu archive... been apt-get updating several times today... ever since i got the breezy-changes email!
[10:23] <dholbach> fine... thanks, after i walked my dog a bit, i'll continue my reviewing day
[10:23] <Unfrgiven> AstralJava: well i hope you get better soon
[10:24] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: so what i wanted to ask was.. whats the status of the fast-user-switch-applet you packaged? has it been accepted?
[10:24] <AstralJava> Unfrgiven: Thanks. And you?
[10:24] <Treenaks> chmj: antibiotics don't work well against viral diseases
[10:24] <Unfrgiven> AstralJava: im good... got home from work not long ago... now im just chilling for a bit... thought i'd take a look at some packages :)
[10:25] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i wanted to talk to you about it, if we can combine efforts and work on it together or if you want to take it
[10:25] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: im happy either way. whichever you'd prefer
[10:25] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: if we passed that stage, we need 3 reviews from MOTUs or maintainers and then we'll upload it
[10:25] <chmj> Treenaks, well, I hang out with slanden and didn't get sick
[10:25] <chmj> :p
[10:26] <Treenaks> chmj: ok, that's impressive :)
[10:26] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: ok... you can take it, try to incorporate whatever differs and i will give you the first review later on, ok?
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: ok cool :) i'll grab your packages to start with. is the there still a configure dependency on gdm?
[10:27] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: nope
[10:27] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: sweet! did they fix it in upstream or did you patch it?
[10:27] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: debdiff is nice for comparing source packages
[10:27] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i talked to upstream and added configure options which finally worked
[10:28] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: excellent. whats the best way to grab source packages and get a working area of it? thus far i've been untarring the orig tar ball then applying the diff.gz patch manually.
[10:28] <dholbach> dpkg-source -x bla.dsc
[10:29] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: kewl thanks.
[10:29] <dholbach> sudo pbuilder build bla.dsc    to test-build it
[10:29] <dholbach> but i guess you're familiar with that one already :-)
[10:29] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: yep the pbuilder bit, im clear on :)
[10:29] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i also want to start packaging some of the stuff on universe candidates... its starting to blow out quite a bit....
[10:29] <dholbach> yeah... good call
[10:30] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: alright well im going to get to work. i should be on later but in case im not, ill be on tomorrow for sure (it 6:30 pm here).
[10:31] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: have a nice day
[10:31] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: you too :)
[10:32] <dholbach> thanks :)
[10:39] <dholbach> *grmbl*
[10:40] <dholbach> tomboy is broken
[10:40] <dholbach> it breaks the panel as well
[10:40] <dholbach> and then there are two panels battling each other
[10:40] <Lathiat> wfm(tm)
[10:40] <dholbach> zombie panels
[10:40] <Lathiat> the new icon sucks but
[10:40] <dholbach> bbl
[10:49] <ivoks> fuck!
[10:50] <Lathiat> a duck!
[10:50] <ivoks> man, i got falsificate money
[10:51] <Lathiat> ivoks: hrm?
[10:51] <ivoks> Lathiat i buyed mp3 player and got change back..
[10:52] <Lathiat> :\ how much change?
[10:52] <ivoks> didn't look at money...
[10:52] <ivoks> 200hrk
[10:52] <Lathiat> how much is that in us$ or something?
[10:52] <ivoks> that's... cca 25 euros
[10:52] <Lathiat> so $40 AUD
[10:52] <Lathiat> at least it wasn't more :\
[10:53] <ivoks> wouldn't know :)
[10:53] <ivoks> problem is that i can't change it..
[10:53] <Lathiat> go back and confront them
[10:53] <Lathiat> take a few big large looking people... :)
[10:53] <ivoks> :)
[10:53] <\sh> ivoks: why not?
[10:54] <\sh> report it
[10:54] <ivoks> \sh i will report
[10:54] <ivoks> but that's 200kn out of my pocket :(
[10:54] <ivoks> damn...
[10:54] <Lathiat> like i said
[10:54] <Lathiat> thank god it wasnt more
[10:54] <\sh> ivoks: hrk? what is it?
[10:54] <ivoks> yes...
[10:55] <ivoks> \sh hrvatska kuna - croatian kuna
[10:55] <\sh> ivoks: and u bought the mp3 player in a normal store? or more like those ones named in germany as "import and export" shops? ,-)
[10:55] <ivoks> \sh METRO
[10:56] <\sh> ivoks: report it...they have to be punished ;)
[10:56] <ivoks> \sh I'm sure you are familliar with METRO :)
[10:56] <\sh> ivoks: yes
[10:56] <\sh> mafia ;)
[10:57] <ivoks> eh....
[10:57] <ivoks> i'll call them
[11:01] <ivoks> lol
[11:01] <ivoks> it's snowing :)
[11:03] <AstralJava> ivoks: In Croatia? Weird. :)
[11:04] <ivoks> you can see this only in croatia... on sea side people are swimming, and 20km from there it's snowing :)
[11:04] <AstralJava> ivoks: Do you live by the mountains?
[11:04] <ivoks> AstralJava no, but in mountains is snowing :)
[11:04] <AstralJava> Oh okay. :)
[11:04] <dholbach> who of you was from detroit?
[11:04] <dholbach> are they really planning a tax on hamburgers?
[11:05] <ivoks> snowboarding is so fun...
[11:08] <koke> dholbach: I think whiprush was from detroit
[11:08] <dholbach> koke: i'll ask him later on :-)
[11:16] <AstralJava> I do like snow too, but only when it's winter. :)
[11:16] <Lathiat> cus its  a major version upgrade and the current version is useless
[11:17] <Burgundavia> can someone tell me why glabels on ubuntu and debian are so different in terms of deps?
[11:17] <Burgundavia> it was very odd
[11:17] <dholbach> Lathiat: might be, because there are ubuntu-specific changes which have yet to be merged
[11:18] <Lathiat> apparentlynot
[11:18] <Lathiat> the changelog doesnt say so anyway
[11:18] <dholbach> Burgundavia: could you paste me the difference in a query?
[11:18] <dholbach> Lathiat: Version: 1.10.6.20040516ubuntu1
[11:18] <dholbach> this is the current in ubuntu
[11:18] <dholbach> which is recent in debian?
[11:18] <Lathiat> ohoh
[11:18] <Lathiat> uh
[11:18] <Lathiat> 2.somethign
[11:18] <Lathiat> in unstable
[11:18] <dholbach> there you go :-)
[11:18] <Lathiat> let me check
[11:19] <Lathiat> dholbach: whats the problem?
[11:19] <Lathiat> the ubuntu1
[11:19] <Lathiat> or the version?
[11:19] <dholbach> no the version is not the problem, it just indicates there were ubuntuspecific changes
[11:19] <dholbach> after breezy was opened we autosynced a lot of stuff
[11:19] <Lathiat> right
[11:19] <Lathiat> i wonder why there was no changelog.Debian.gz entry?
[11:20] <dholbach> now quite a lot of packages still have to be re-merged
[11:20] <Lathiat> oh
[11:20] <Lathiat> i suck
[11:20] <Lathiat> im looking at the changleog for the newer version
[11:20] <|QuaD-_> heh, i get a kick everytime i see packages like this trying to get synced: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004409.html
[11:20] <Lathiat> dholbach: so if i took care of those changes it could be synced?
[11:20] <Lathiat> |QuaD-_: heh
[11:21] <dholbach> Lathiat: we have to manually merge them, if you want to take care of those, i'd highly appreciate it
[11:21] <Lathiat> right, i'd be more than happy to
[11:21] <|QuaD-_> it didn't work
[11:21] <|QuaD-_> hehe
[11:21] <Lathiat> where do i get started. :)
[11:21] <dholbach> Lathiat: the changes should be on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&resolution=---&resolution=UNIVERSE
[11:21] <Lathiat> just fixing up the package?
[11:21] <Lathiat> ahh
[11:21] <Lathiat> changes were simply some build-depends
[11:22] <dholbach> Lathiat: be sure to build it in a pbuilder before :-)
[11:23] <Lathiat> before what?
[11:23] <dholbach> before you let us review and upload it :-)
[11:23] <Lathiat> right
[11:23] <Lathiat> of course
[11:23] <dholbach> merci beaucoup
[11:23] <Lathiat> thanks
[11:28] <Lathiat> dholbach: is there some evil you can do to get deboostrap to try find files form your /var/cache/apt/archives to save downloading them again? (other than run a local mirror/apt proxy)
[11:28] <dholbach> Lathiat: no idea
[11:29] <dholbach> ivoks: i move wifi-radar from MOTUToReview to MOTUNewPackages
[11:29] <Lathiat> oh thanks
[11:29] <dholbach> ajmitch_: ROCK
[11:29] <Lathiat> ok
[11:30] <Nafallo> hi all
[11:30] <Lathiat> Do you guys nee dpeople to look after merging these thigns in general?
[11:30] <ivoks> dholbach ok, it is there allready :)
[11:30] <dholbach> oh i see
[11:30] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I could probably upload 20 or so tonight if I have the bandwidth :)
[11:31] <dholbach> removing it then :-)
[11:31] <Lathiat> (cus i'd like to get involved)
[11:31] <dholbach> Lathiat: yes, absolutely
[11:31] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: you'd take away my reason for existence! ;)
[11:32] <Lathiat> is it more looking after specific m packages, or just tending to random packages that need tending that others arent taking care of?
[11:32] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh
[11:32] <ajmitch_> looking after random packages
[11:32] <ajmitch_> which is always a problem when you've got 15000 or so to watch
[11:32] <Lathiat> yarr
[11:32] <Lathiat> a base ubuntu install is rather small
[11:32] <Lathiat> didnt take long to download
[11:33] <Lathiat> i guess i have got 1.5mbit now
[11:33] <Lathiat> had 512kbit before
[11:33] <ajmitch_> yes, but there's plenty of broken packages that we'll need to fix
[11:33] <ajmitch_> simple merging is trivial
[11:33] <dholbach> Lathiat: we have two things in mind atm: 1) forming teams which take care of specific things they like to change, and 2) having universe in a generally good shape
[11:33] <ajmitch_> especially with MoM - often just signing the current diff.gz it spits out
[11:33] <Lathiat> hmm
[11:34] <Lathiat> pbuilder failed to create
[11:34] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: how good are your C++ sk1llz? ;)
[11:34] <Lathiat> errors with gcc/g++/cpp deps
[11:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: uh
[11:34] <Lathiat> im ok with C
[11:34] <Lathiat> and know C++ but dont do alot of classes, templates, etc...
[11:34] <dholbach> Lathiat: build a hoary chroot and upgrade to breezy
[11:34] <ajmitch_> I know you do python, I've been to your talks at LCA before ;)
[11:34] <Lathiat> dholbach: ok
[11:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ah :)
[11:34] <Lathiat> yeh i do C and python mainly
[11:34] <Lathiat> and uh, i've written two java programs now :)
[11:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: rock
[11:35] <Lathiat> and i alreayd hate java
[11:35] <Lathiat> doesnt take long
[11:35] <ajmitch_> haha
[11:35] <ajmitch_> yeah
[11:35] <ajmitch_> starting a j2me project tomorrow at uni, in the telecommunications class
[11:35] <Lathiat> most of my hacking has been related to gtk or network code in C
[11:35] <Lathiat> multicast sockets that do ipv4 and ipv6 in C are fun!
[11:35] <Lathiat> especially when no one else has done them properly
[11:35] <Lathiat> and the apis suck a bit
[11:36] <Lathiat> i should write some documentation now we figured all that out
[11:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: so yeh, what di dyou have in mind specifically?
[11:36] <dholbach> hey herzi
[11:36] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition
[11:36] <ajmitch_> a few hundred packages that need loving
[11:36] <herzi> hey
[11:36] <Lathiat> oh i looked at that
[11:37] <ajmitch_> I've started looking at patches & trying to get them to apply :)
[11:37] <dholbach> once the c++ big bang has taken place
[11:37] <Lathiat> i should be able to help with that
[11:37] <Lathiat> looks like alot of the same FTBFS
[11:37] <ajmitch_> dholbach: word is that it'll be Real Soon Now, so we have to prepare
[11:37] <Lathiat> so once we figure out each one should be able to apply to lots
[11:37] <herzi> weltuntergangs-wetter
[11:37] <dholbach> herzi: yes :-)
[11:37] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: you hope - most c++ code will be broken in subtly different ways
[11:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: yeh im sure it is heh
[11:37] <Lathiat> can you say, i hate gcc versions
[11:38] <Lathiat> and bad coders :)
[11:38] <ajmitch_> I'm not an optimist about this transition - it'll be a long fight :)
[11:38] <dholbach> i am... it will be BIG FUN :-)
[11:38] <dholbach> and we really have to thank the debian guys who already wrote 24967246 patches
[11:39] <ajmitch_> dholbach: the first package I tried patching today didn't apply cleanly
[11:39] <Lathiat> blah i definately need an apt cache
[11:39] <ajmitch_> which is a worry :)
[11:39] <Lathiat> perhaps just squid
[11:39] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: I'm on 256Kbps
[11:40] <Lathiat> that sucks
[11:40] <Lathiat> i was on 28.8 up until a year ago
[11:40] <Lathiat> then no net for 6months
[11:40] <Lathiat> then went 256, 512, 1500 in 2 month incrememnts
[11:41] <ajmitch_> not bad
[11:41] <ajmitch_> I could go to 2Mbps, but only a 10GB cap
[11:41] <Lathiat> now that i can afford it
[11:42] <ajmitch_> 64Kbps after that
[11:42] <Lathiat> altho i only have 5GB/5GB quota
[11:42] <Lathiat> and i ate all my peak quota acccidentally until th een do fth emonth
[11:42] <ajmitch_> bbiab, dinner time ;)
[11:42] <Lathiat> fortunately we have a local exchange
[11:42] <Lathiat> which means traffic to most of perth is free adn unmetered
[11:42] <Lathiat> so im proxy off another box
[11:42] <Lathiat> for we at least
[11:50] <dholbach> \sh: ping
[11:50] <\sh> dholbach: pong
[11:51] <dholbach> \sh: i'm just having a look at conglomerate
[11:51] <dholbach> i can't see your patch in 00list
[11:51] <\sh> woot...moment
[11:52] <dholbach> i don't quite understand the debdiff :-)
[11:52] <dholbach> ah moment, wait
[11:52] <\sh> remove-gnome-entry-from-desktop.dpatch
[11:52] <\sh> last one
[11:53] <dholbach> sorry, nevermind what i said
[11:53] <dholbach> unpacked the wrong source package
[11:53] <dholbach> i'll have another look :-)
[11:53] <\sh> dholbach: you're welcome :)
[11:53] <\sh> hmm...there is a nice pitfall with kde and dchroot breezy ;)
[11:54] <ogra> meh, the configure scripts for the mono stuff are so wrong
[11:54] <\sh> after starting one kde app, all sessions are belonging to the breezy chroot after that
[11:54] <ogra> morning btw
[11:54] <dholbach> hey ogra
[11:54] <\sh> hoi ogra
[11:54] <\sh> btw...i fixed my si server ;)
[11:55] <ogra> great to hear
[11:55] <\sh> yeah...kicked the bloody machine with memtest
[11:55] <\sh> and? what was the result...memory error
[11:57] <dholbach> f-spot 0.0.13 is out
[11:57] <dholbach> should work with mono 1.1.7
[11:58] <ogra> dholbach, thats our release, tseng talked to larry for it :)
[11:58] <dholbach> *ROCK*
[11:58] <dholbach> (it doesnt say so in the release notes ;-))
[11:58] <ogra> heh
[11:59] <ogra> would be fully if novell employees would mention us in their changelog
[11:59] <dholbach> \sh: did you tell elmo to whitelist your mail adress?
[11:59] <ogra> funny even
[11:59] <dholbach> ogra: it's all about love - they really should
[11:59] <ogra> heh
[12:00] <ogra> just because tseng asked when will there be a release that builds with 1.1.7 ? heh
[12:01] <\sh> dholbach: aehm...no..for what?
[12:01] <dholbach> :-)
[12:01] <Lathiat> haha
[12:01] <dholbach> \sh: so you get a notification mail when your package gets uploaded to the buildd
[12:01] <\sh> dholbach: officially u have to upload ;)
[12:01] <ogra> \sh, else elmo has to deal with it... so just do it ;)
[12:02] <\sh> i can see it only on breezy-changes ;)
[12:02] <\sh> elmo...ok
[12:02] <dholbach> \sh: i know i have to upload :-)
[12:02] <ogra> \sh, whitelisting is the first technical step to become a motu.... mail to the whitelist@ address
[12:03] <dholbach>  upload@ubuntulinux.org
[12:04] <ogra> dholbach, btw, did you see that amd64 has tomboy love ?
[12:04] <dholbach> ogra: did you see, what i said about it?
[12:04] <dholbach> dholbach *grmbl*
[12:04] <dholbach> dholbach tomboy is broken
[12:04] <dholbach> dholbach it breaks the panel as well
[12:04] <dholbach> dholbach and then there are two panels battling each other
[12:04] <ogra> huh ?
[12:05] <ogra> but you did start it from the "add applet" dialog, not from the commandline i assume
[12:05] <dholbach> yes
[12:05] <ogra> strange
[12:05] <ogra> works fine here, since more then 5 days...
[12:06] <\sh> whitelist@ubuntulinux.com?
[12:06] <dholbach> .org
[12:06] <ogra> \sh, i think i'm not up to date.... rather what dholbach said...
[12:06] <\sh> the wiki title function must be fixed...i know that i have a bookmark to this page...but where is it
[12:06] <dholbach> wiki/Uploads says it
[12:06] <ogra> yep
[12:06] <tseng> hi
[12:07] <dholbach> hey tseng
[12:07] <ogra> <-- to lazy to look it up....
[12:07] <dholbach> ogra: we all know
[12:07] <thom> tomboy appears to be missing a dep on libdbus-cil
[12:07] <dholbach> ;-)
[12:07] <ogra> heh
[12:07] <ogra> thom, oh...
[12:07] <ogra> thom, i'll fix it
[12:07] <tseng> thom: dh_clideps is failing to get dbus
[12:07] <dholbach> and pbuilder didnt complain?
[12:07] <ogra> nope
[12:07] <tseng> dholbach: runtime
[12:07] <thom> actually, it's missing one on libgnome-cil too
[12:07] <\sh> i wrote a mail to this upload@ address
[12:08] <ogra> dholbach, as i said the configure scripts are crack.... they dont check all deps...
[12:08] <thom> i suspect dh_clibdeps is hosed :-)
[12:08] <dholbach> thank god thom is a MOTU :-)
[12:08] <ogra> thom, yep
[12:08] <\sh> To:
[12:08] <\sh> upload@ubuntulinux.org
[12:08] <\sh>   Date:
[12:08] <\sh> 12.04.2005 15:51
[12:08] <thom> dholbach: hahah
[12:09] <\sh> ogra told me to ask if you can add sh@sourcecode.de to whitelist address for
[12:09] <\sh> breezy-changes.
[12:09] <\sh> that was the content
[12:09] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:09] <ogra> ok
[12:09] <thom> so far, libdbus-cil, libgnome-cil, libglib-cil
[12:09] <\sh> I did my duties :)
[12:09] <\sh> but i don't know if it's whitelisted now or not :)
[12:10] <tseng> hm tomboy works out of the box on x86
[12:10] <thom> (and libgtk-cil)
[12:10] <ogra> thom, rm
[12:10] <tseng> on a clean breezy install
[12:10] <ogra> hrm
[12:10] <tseng> well
[12:10] <tseng> i did apt-get install muine tomboy blam
[12:10] <tseng> muine was missing libdbus-cil and blam had that other bug
[12:10] <thom> libgconf-cil
[12:10] <ogra> tseng, but dh_clidep _is_ hosed, he's right
[12:10] <tseng> i know it is
[12:11] <ogra> i'll add the depends manually for now, we can revert that later
[12:11] <tseng> it sounds not working at all on amd64 or something
[12:11] <ogra> worksforme....
[12:11] <ogra> but i got the deps installed anyway
[12:11] <dholbach> trying again
[12:11] <thom> after all that, it works great
[12:11] <dholbach> yes, works now
[12:11] <dholbach> guys... change the Depends NOW! :-)
[12:12] <ogra> already pbuilding
[12:12] <tseng> dholbach: erm, really need to figure out why dh_clideps doesnt work
[12:12] <thom> ogra: you got all the deps, right? :-)  libdbus-cil libgnome-cil libglib-cil libgtk-cil libgconf-cil
[12:12] <dholbach> could someone of you try "preferences" of tomboy
[12:12] <tseng> oh I have an idea
[12:12] <dholbach> when i choose it, it breaks
[12:12] <thom> dholbach: same
[12:12] <Lathiat> yeh so does mine
[12:12] <tseng> i wonder if he changed the variable name to ${cli:Depends}
[12:12] <dholbach> hrmhrmhrmhrmhrmhrm
[12:13] <ogra> thom, a thanks, missed gconf
[12:13] <tseng> that would do it
[12:13] <dholbach> was tomboy a NEW package?
[12:13] <tseng> erm, for warty
[12:13] <ogra> dholbach, nope
[12:13] <thom> dholbach: oooh, fun. it works as a notification icon (ie, if i run tomboy on the command line) but not if it's an applet
[12:13] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:14] <tseng> ogra: can you check if i still have net:Depends and it wants cli:Depends?
[12:14] <ogra> it has cli depends
[12:14] <tseng> hm hm
[12:15] <tseng> well i need to double check that for everything now that I think of it
[12:15] <ogra> tseng, it doesnt build if it has the netde
[12:15] <ogra> p
[12:15] <ogra> no, lets just fix dh_clidep
[12:15] <tseng> yes
[12:18] <ogra> hmm, is it broken on all arches ?
[12:18] <tseng> at least partly
[12:18] <tseng> for one its possibly for mono to load things that monodis doesnt pick up on
[12:18] <dholbach> wow, i never saw that many compiler warnings as in conglomerate
[12:20] <tseng> let's see how f-spot goes
[12:20] <\sh> dholbach: it's shitty
[12:20] <dholbach> mlview doesn't look as fancy, but i like it better :-)
[12:20] <Burgundavia> dholbach, the worst part is that it is a shitty app too
[12:20] <\sh> btw...pro-linux has a good article about ubuntu and skolelinux
[12:21] <\sh> dholbach: well...xemacs is my choice ;)
[12:22] <dholbach> *GRA* debuild AGAIN hangs at   " fakeroot debian/rules clean"
[12:22] <ogra> fakeroot isd broken
[12:22] <ogra> dholbach, is it in your pbuilder ?
[12:22] <dholbach> no, when i try to build a signed source package
[12:22] <ogra> dholbach, or the manual debuild ?
[12:22] <ogra> ok...
[12:23] <ogra> sudo update-alternatives fakeroot
[12:23] <ogra> switch to tcp
[12:23] <ogra> but dont forget to switch back if its fixed ;)
[12:23] <ogra> err
[12:23] <ajmitch_> back :)
[12:23] <ogra> sudo update-alternatives --config fakeroot
[12:24] <dholbach> charming
[12:24] <\sh> i don't understand this anymore
[12:24] <\sh> when I created this conglomerate package, everything worked fine...right now i can't even go after the first stage of debuild
[12:25] <ajmitch_> \sh: make clean probably doesn't clean very well
[12:25] <dholbach> \sh: uploaded
[12:26] <\sh> ajmitch_: that was it
[12:26] <\sh> dholbach: thx
[12:26] <dholbach> \sh: our mysql-admin is a newer version already
[12:26] <dholbach> \sh: you may want to adapt your changes to the newer one
[12:27] <\sh> dholbach: what? it was directly from debian-sid ;)
[12:27] <\sh> dholbach: sure
[12:27] <ajmitch_> \sh: sorry, you have to get with the times ;)
[12:27] <\sh> ajmitch_: it was new when I created the patchset ;)
[12:27] <Lathiat> how do you update your pbuilder to breezy
[12:27] <Lathiat> manually or is there a pbuilder magic command
[12:28] <tseng> edit his sources.list
[12:28] <\sh> Lathiat: i have it running in a chroot env ;)
[12:28] <tseng> then pbuilder update --override-config
[12:28] <dholbach> should be on wiki/PbuilderHowto
[12:28] <Lathiat> excuse the pbuilder newb
[12:28] <Lathiat> ah ok, didnt know that was there
[12:30] <dholbach> \sh: shermann@localhost.localdomain :-)
[12:31] <Lathiat> dholbach: thanks
[12:31] <Lathiat> dholbach: has all the magic. :)
[12:31] <tseng> if there are more regressions in Depends: on this
[12:31] <tseng> mail me or upload the fix
[12:31] <Lathiat> now if i can just get apt-cacher ot actually work
[12:31] <\sh> dholbach: in the patchset ;)
[12:31] <\sh> dholbach: I saw this  happen...i thought I fixed it
[12:32] <dholbach> \sh: you should have these in .bashrc  :  export DEBFULLNAME='Stephan Hermann'  export DEBEMAIL='dh@sourcecode.net'
[12:32] <dholbach> :-)
[12:32] <dholbach> \sh: don't worry, i fix them
[12:32] <ajmitch_> dholbach: you rock! ;)
[12:33] <dholbach> ajmitch_: thanks for that assessment, mr. mitchell :-)
[12:34] <ajmitch_> hehe
[12:34] <ajmitch_> I think I can trust it to be ok
[12:35] <\sh> dholbach: i added the stuff now ;)
[12:35] <ajmitch_> the last 2 to touch it were a daniel holbach & a stephan hermann
[12:35] <Lathiat> hmm
[12:35] <Lathiat> i have no references to hoary in /etc/pbbu*
[12:35] <dholbach> ajmitch_: which package?
[12:35] <ajmitch_> ethereal
[12:35] <ajmitch_> MoM says the merge is clean, so I'm building & testing
[12:35] <dholbach> oh... might have been some auto* update because of some changed build-depends?
[12:36] <ajmitch_> probably
[12:36] <ajmitch_> plus gcc 4.0 fixes
[12:36] <dholbach> \sh: did you test the build in pbuilder?
[12:36] <dholbach> \sh: looking at mysql-query-browser now
[12:36] <Lathiat> is there someone i can get pbuilder to pass apt options?
[12:36] <Lathiat> "E: There ar eproblems and -y was used without --force-yes"
[12:37] <dholbach> \sh: you're running autogen in the build which is BAD itself, but then you don't build-dep on auto* which will just break
[12:37] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: ah, gnupg auth problems
[12:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: yarr
[12:37] <ajmitch_> pbuilder howto has tips on solving that
[12:37] <Lathiat> perhaps is hould install gnupg in the chroto
[12:37] <Lathiat> ok
[12:37] <Lathiat> i'll read it
[12:37] <Lathiat> which howto?
[12:37] <dholbach> PbuilderHowto
[12:37] <tseng> PbuilderHowto? :P
[12:37] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <Lathiat> as in the wiki?
[12:37] <Lathiat> oh, there it is
[12:37] <Lathiat> i missed that
[12:38] <dholbach> again? ;-p
[12:38] <Lathiat> no i just skipped over the hoary part cus i already had one.. :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> which was stupid :)
[12:38] <dholbach> \sh: please apply the changed auto*-stuff as a dpatch
[12:39] <dholbach> \sh: i know it's NOT nice, but unless upstream has a new version, the only way
[12:39] <tseng> wtf
[12:39] <ogra> tseng, ?
[12:39] <tseng> my pbuilder cant build f-spot
[12:39] <ogra> oops
[12:39] <tseng> cant find .pc for gtk-sharp
[12:39] <ogra> why ?
[12:40] <dholbach> wrong build-depends?
[12:40] <ogra> heh, as i said before, the configure scripts are crack
[12:40] <ajmitch_> check that it's not another hidden dependency
[12:40] <tseng> i added it hard to build-deps
[12:40] <ogra> oh
[12:40] <ogra> tseng, all -cil libs ??
[12:40] <ajmitch_> like I had with seahorse - it needed gedit 2.10, which in turn depended on something else
[12:40] <tseng> not "all"
[12:40] <tseng> gar its out again
[12:40] <ogra> configure doesnt know they are divided it seems...
[12:41] <tseng> trying again
[12:41] <dholbach> well, fix configure.ac then :-)
[12:41] <Lathiat> i just need a script to sync /var/cache/apt/archives with /var/cache/pbuilder/aptcache
[12:42] <Lathiat> that should do the trick
[12:42] <ogra> dholbach, first we'll have to fix dh_clideps
[12:42] <ogra> else all mono apps are broken dependencywise
[12:42] <tseng> yes.
[12:45] <dholbach> who is VirgilNisly?
[12:45] <ogra> not me
[12:45] <ogra> i think
[12:49] <ogra> tseng, i think i got the bug
[12:51] <ogra> looks like the crators of cli-common just copied dh_shlibdeps .... and didnt change /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.shlibs to /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.clilibs
[12:52] <ogra> hm, no
[12:56] <dholbach> koke: where is python-bazaar_*.orig.tar.gz?
[12:58] <koke> err, let me see
[12:58] <koke> ouch!
[12:58] <tseng> well i think my problem right now is the deps for libgnome-cil are fucke dup
[12:59] <tseng> and i have to add them all
[12:59] <tseng> i guess i should be anyway
[12:59] <ogra> tseng, for now...
[12:59] <ogra> tseng, i'm looking at cli-common....
[12:59] <tseng> rock on
[12:59] <tseng> i am leaving for work soon
[12:59] <ogra> k
[01:00] <tseng> bye.
[01:00] <ogra> ciao
[01:00] <dholbach> bye tseng
[01:04] <koke> dholbach: http://amedias.org/~koke/debian/hoary/
[01:04] <koke> but I'll have to try it again
[01:05] <dholbach> do that and tell me :-)
[01:05] <schweeb> ugh
[01:05] <|QuaD-_> debian/hoary.. lol, are we going to have ubuntu sarge next?
[01:05] <schweeb> morning time is the devil
[01:06] <dholbach> hey schweeb
[01:06] <|QuaD-_> :)
[01:06] <Lathiat> ok ot pbuilder going
[01:06] <dholbach> |QuaD-_: look at this
[01:06] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$ apt-cache show login | grep Version
[01:06] <dholbach> Version: 1:4.0.3-31sarge3ubuntu2
[01:06] <dholbach> :-)
[01:06] <schweeb> now, time to go to work, later
[01:06] <dholbach> bye schweeb, have a nice day
[01:07] <koke> hmmm, do we want a python2.3-bazaar and python2.4-bazaar?
[01:07] <schweeb> it'll take a lot of aspirin for that to occur at this point :p
[01:07] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: i noticed a few packets like that on greezy changes a few days ago
[01:07] <dholbach> koke: if possible
[01:07] <|QuaD-_> dholbach: i was confused at first, then figured must be the same maintainter
[01:07] <dholbach> greezy? like in GreezyGiraffe?
[01:09] <koke> hmmm, from https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2511662
[01:09] <koke> Most python packages are architecture all, and then don't need being build for multiple python versions ; your package should then be called 'python-<foo>' and CDBS would automatically use the current Debian python version to build it.
[01:10] <koke> pybaz is _all, but it installs into /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages
[01:11] <koke> two different packages should not be necessary
[01:13] <ajmitch_> night all
[01:13] <dholbach> bye ajmitch_
[01:19] <Lathiat> ug c++
[01:19] <Lathiat> takes so long to build
[01:19] <Lathiat> someone give me a quad opteron or something :)
[01:20] <dholbach> someone give Lathiat a hanky :-)
[01:22] <Lathiat> dholbach: do you remember the reason you had to add those GL deps in bzf?
[01:22] <Lathiat> it seems to build without them, but the way its depended on in the new debian is a little different so
[01:22] <Lathiat> (build-deps)
[01:22] <dholbach> Lathiat: because we have x.org and the libraries are split in a new way
[01:23] <Lathiat> and whats with libxxf86vm ?
[01:23] <dholbach> same
[01:24] <dholbach> Lathiat: maybe it was needed on only one of the architectures
[01:24] <Lathiat> yeh thats what im thinking
[01:24] <Lathiat> hence i was asking
[01:24] <Lathiat> i'll just put it back in
[01:25] <dholbach> crimsun: i reviewed jackbeat, have quite some comments on MOTUNewPackages for it now
[01:25] <Lathiat> the GL deps were fixed upstream, the xxf86vm wasnt
[01:25] <|QuaD-_> just installed beagle, using the debian packages just put on, it can't start the daemon
[01:27] <ogra> damned
[01:28] <Lathiat> |QuaD-_: maybe you dont have inotify on?
[01:28] <|QuaD-_> Lathiat: hmmm, i am using a stock kernel, but i am geting a dbus warning in best
[01:28] <ogra> |QuaD-_, why dont you use the ubuntu package ?
[01:29] <|QuaD-_> blah, i meant ubuntu
[01:29] <Lathiat> well, the stock kernel doesnt have inotify
[01:29] <|QuaD-_> Lathiat: i have to compile my own?
[01:29] <|QuaD-_> uname -r
[01:29] <|QuaD-_> 2.6.10-5-686
[01:29] <ogra> |QuaD-_, there is a lot broken in mono currently..... its very likely that the dependencys are missing in the package
[01:29] <Lathiat> thats not the reason its broken tho
[01:29] <Lathiat> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libMonoPosixHelper.so
[01:30] <ogra> it should work if you do: sudo apt-get build-dep beagle
[01:30] <Lathiat> heh
[01:30] <Lathiat> could not be satisfied
[01:30] <ogra> (pulls in some unnecessary stuff though)
[01:30] <ogra> Lathiat, what is missing ?
[01:31] <Lathiat> trying to figure that out
[01:31] <koke> dholbach: python-bazaar works, but it's only for python 2.4
[01:31] <koke> I don't like the idea of making two different packages with the same files
[01:31] <koke> any better idea?
[01:31] <Lathiat> koke: the files arent the same
[01:31] <dholbach> koke: would you please ask chmj and doko how to proceed?
[01:32] <Lathiat> you have /usr/lib/python2.3 and /usr/lib/python2.3
[01:32] <Lathiat> 2.4 on the last one
[01:32] <Lathiat> and probably a common package with the common files
[01:32] <Lathiat> now this is interesting
[01:32] <koke> lamont: the paths are different but the files are the same
[01:33] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i did a build dep and i believe its working
[01:33] <ogra> ah, great
[01:33] <|QuaD-_> ogra: why doesn't it do it automatically with apt-get install?
[01:33] <ogra> |QuaD-_, which arch is that ?
[01:33] <|QuaD-_> i386
[01:33] <doko> Lathiat: how do you make sure, that you have the correct .pyc files are generated from the common package?
[01:33] <Lathiat> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:33] <Lathiat>   mozilla-firefox-dev: Depends: mozilla-firefox (= 1.0.2-0ubuntu5) but 1.0.3-2~5.04ubp1+1.0.2-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[01:33] <Lathiat> thats why build-dep doesnt work
[01:33] <|QuaD-_> Lathiat: it worked when i tried it
[01:33] <Lathiat> doko: you do it from the versioned package ?
[01:34] <Lathiat> oh
[01:34] <Lathiat> i have some backports shit
[01:34] <Lathiat> leftover
[01:34] <ogra> |QuaD-_, because the tool that writes the dependencys is broken
[01:34] <Lathiat> from when i was looking at their stuff
[01:34] <koke> Lathiat: a 'grep -r "python2\.4" /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pybaz/*.py' is empty
[01:34] <Lathiat> koke: whats that got to do with anything?
[01:34] <|QuaD-_> ogra: good reason
[01:35] <koke> Lathiat: I'd bet if I copy those files to /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pybaz/, it'd work
[01:35] <doko> Lathiat: yes, we'll address this for breezy, but please do the versioned packages now, the duplicated files are not a problem, if built from the same source
[01:35] <|QuaD-_> i wonder how long beagle will take to indes
[01:35] <|QuaD-_> *index
[01:36] <|QuaD-_> ogra: why?
[01:36] <ogra> |QuaD-_, i would have fixed it if i knew why ;)
[01:36] <|QuaD-_> ogra: lol.... :) what happens exactly?
[01:36] <ogra> it did it for me the last 3 days.... after indexind about 1h
[01:36] <|QuaD-_> what can i be looking forward to?
[01:37] <ogra> it just stops indexing or doesnt respond anymore to the client....
[01:37] <ogra> for the latter i suspect dbus, which isnt up to date yet
[01:37] <|QuaD-_> heh, so my 120gig hdd probably will make it to gig2
[01:38] <ogra> so this version wont work reliable until daniels has dbus ready for us
[01:38] <|QuaD-_> ohhh, ok
[01:38] <|QuaD-_> its still better than nothing
[01:38] <ogra> its very nice to look at and to do some testing....
[01:39] <|QuaD-_> though i don't think a lot of it is working correctly... i just typed a search word in, left best open, went to a gaim im and typed that word in and sent the im
[01:39] <|QuaD-_> it never found it
[01:39] <|QuaD-_> ogra: yeah
[01:39] <ogra> but dont expect miracles, a lot is still missing and as long as the package building tools are broken it will be bad...
[01:39] <thom> Lathiat: if you use ubp, you lose
[01:40] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how do i get an inotify enabled kernel?
[01:40] <dholbach> reviewing is fun
[01:41] <Lathiat> thom: nah i was just looking at their shit
[01:41] <Lathiat> forgot about it
[01:41] <ogra> thom, the prob seems to be additionally in dpkg-gencontrol (it doesnt know the clilibs file) do you think its appropriate to let dh_clideps spit aou a shlibs file for now to make it work ? or is that to odd ?
[01:41] <ogra> s/aou/out
[01:42] <|QuaD-_> beagle just indexed my email
[01:42] <|QuaD-_> lol
[01:42] <Lathiat> so, whats standard to append to the change
[01:42] <Lathiat> *changelog
[01:42] <ogra> |QuaD-_, you casn see the results grow if you do a search ;)
[01:43] <ogra> Lathiat, whatever dch appends ;)
[01:43] <|QuaD-_> ogra: thats how i noticed
[01:43] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how else could i figure out what it has indexed?
[01:43] <Lathiat> ogra: yeh but shouuld i add remerged ubuntu changes or something
[01:43] <\sh> dholbach: what did u say...just had supper
[01:43] <Lathiat> and mention the changes no longer needed?
[01:43] <ogra> |QuaD-_, by lookig at the terminal where you started beagled -fg ;)
[01:44] <ogra> Lathiat, sounds descriptive....
[01:44] <dholbach> \sh: can't you please scroll back? :-)
[01:44] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i let best do it for me :)
[01:44] <|QuaD-_> once it craps out, i will do it that way
[01:44] <ogra> |QuaD-_, then you wont see when it fails ;)
[01:44] <koke> dholbach: python-bazaar is ready :D
[01:45] <|QuaD-_> ogra: how is the easiest way to kill beagle then?
[01:45] <|QuaD-_> *beagled?
[01:45] <ogra> look in your processlist (ps ax) and kill the process number
[01:46] <|QuaD-_> beagled -fg
[01:46] <|QuaD-_> Ignoring unknown argument '-fg'
[01:47] <Lathiat> |QuaD-_: cat ~/.xsession-errors
[01:47] <\sh> [12:38]  <dholbach> \sh: please apply the changed auto*-stuff as a dpatch
[01:48] <dholbach> yes
[01:48] <\sh> dholbach: but i don't know the context ;)
[01:48] <thom> ogra: hrrrrm; i don't think it should spit out a shlibs file; better to figure out why it's not passing the right arguments to get the clilibs file picked up
[01:48] <dholbach> mysql-query-browser
 \sh: you're running autogen in the build which is BAD itself, but then you don't build-dep on auto* which will just break
[01:49] <|QuaD-_> Lathiat: a bunch of "** (gnome-cups-icon:25562): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030" but thats it
[01:49] <Lathiat> oh
[01:49] <ogra> thom, ah, ok, there are arguments for that... man dpkg-gencontrol wasnt to helpful....
[01:49] <Lathiat> my beagle errors showed up in that
[01:49] <koke> dholbach: digikam is in debian
[01:49] <Lathiat> ls
[01:49] <|QuaD-_> Lathiat: sorry that was for ogra
[01:49] <\sh> dholbach: oh :) it wasn't my fault...it's not from me ;) but I will fix it
[01:49] <dholbach> koke: i noticed
[01:50] <koke> and maybe kio-locate too :D
[01:50] <dholbach> \sh: your patch runs autogen
[01:50] <ogra> |QuaD-_, two dashes ;)
[01:50] <\sh> oh no..it's mine ;)
[01:50] <ogra> thom, nm, i'm to blind
[01:51] <|QuaD-_> ogra: this might get addigting
[01:52] <|QuaD-_> watching it
[01:52] <ogra> heh
[01:52] <\sh> dholbach: i see a problem there
[01:52] <\sh> dholbach: check 03-gcc4-patch
[01:52] <\sh> aeh 03-gcc4.dpatch
[01:53] <|QuaD-_> so what exactly does evolution sharp do???
[01:53] <|QuaD-_> beagle wants it, but doesn't need it
[01:53] <\sh> oh no I see a solution
[01:55] <\sh> hmmm
[01:56] <\sh> dholbach: what do u think, applying the patch, run automake again and then diff?
[01:56] <dholbach> no
[01:57] <dholbach> start dpatch-edit-patch <something>
[01:57] <dholbach> make necessary changes
[01:57] <dholbach> rerun autogen
[01:57] <dholbach> ctrl-d
[01:57] <|QuaD-_> are things like evolution support, msoffice support, gstreamer support, ephiphany support, and firefox support going to be brought to ubuntu?
[01:57] <|QuaD-_> or are we going to have to do that ourselves
[02:06] <bradb> dholbach: hi
[02:06] <bradb> hey ogra
[02:07] <bradb> where are we going to have the MOTU meeting on thursday, btw?
[02:07] <ogra> here ? or #ubuntu-meeting
[02:08] <thom> #ubuntu-meeting would be better
[02:08] <bradb> ok, we'll do it in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:08] <ogra> fine
[02:08] <thom> |QuaD-_: for .NET? ffox/ephy should happen soonish
[02:08] <|QuaD-_> thom: i just found support for the others
[02:08] <ogra> ff is already in the beagle package
[02:08] <|QuaD-_> figured out how to do it
[02:09] <thom> ogra: including the extensions for firefox?
[02:09] <ogra> beagle.xpi, yes
[02:09] <thom> ah
[02:09] <|QuaD-_> what exactly does the ff extension do anyways?
[02:09] <dholbach> hey bradb, yes #u-meeting is better
[02:09] <thom> oh, not mozilla-sharp
[02:10] <ogra> nope, its generated from the beagle source....
[02:10] <Amaranth> |QuaD-_: as far as i can tell it just lets you choose to not index certain domains
[02:10] <ogra> -
[02:10] <\sh> dholbach: i will put new files on my webpage in 15 minutes.after the build has completed
[02:10] <\sh> (mysql-query-browser)
[02:10] <thom> beagle will index your history and cache
[02:10] <|QuaD-_> Amaranth: haha... so doesn't index things like porn :)
[02:10] <thom> from firefox/mozilla
[02:11] <Amaranth> thom: the extension makes it do that?
[02:11] <|QuaD-_> thom: why wouldn't it do that anyways?
[02:11] <dholbach> \sh: take your time
[02:11] <ogra> it shows a little dog icon if its enabled
[02:11] <ogra> Amaranth, yes
[02:11] <Amaranth> i forget, does beagle do cluepackets or is that dashboard?
[02:12] <|QuaD-_> Amaranth: i think thats dashboard
[02:12] <|QuaD-_> dashboard is really cool
[02:12] <|QuaD-_> i can't wait till they resume working on it
[02:13] <|QuaD-_> ogra: still indexing mailbox, i have way too much mail
[02:13] <ogra> heh
[02:13] <\sh> dholbach: i want to go home early :) so here i have gigabit ethernet ,) at home only 4mbit/s
[02:13] <dholbach> "only"
[02:13] <dholbach> stststs
[02:14] <|QuaD-_> "Search for packages in the the apt cache." from the beagle wiki... that would be awesome
[02:14] <ogra> |QuaD-_, you mean an apt-get backend
[02:14] <ogra> err apt-cache
[02:14] <|QuaD-_> yeah
[02:14] <\sh> dholbach: downstream ;) upstream is 442kbit/s
[02:15] <ogra> hmm.... and apt-file.....
[02:15] <|QuaD-_> whats apt-file?
[02:16] <ogra> install it....
[02:16] <ogra> run sudo apt-file update
[02:16] <ogra> and do reverse searches through the packages for specific files
[02:16] <|QuaD-_> hmm, lemme see
[02:18] <|QuaD-_> finally done wiht mail!
[02:19] <|QuaD-_> ogra: beagle.xpi is not on my system anywhere
[02:20] <ogra> hmm, it should...
[02:20] <|QuaD-_> i just updatedb'ed and locate beagle.xpi
[02:21] <ogra> it might get renamed during the install process
[02:21] <|QuaD-_> locate *.xpi
[02:21] <|QuaD-_> /home/derek/.mozilla/firefox/default.9p9/extensions/temp/0/0.xpi
[02:23] <ogra> its called beagle.jar
[02:24] <|QuaD-_> i don't think so
[02:24] <Unfrgiven> tseng: ajmitch_: ogra: the beagle package has an incorrect control file. its missing the depend on gecko-sharp
[02:24] <ogra> make[3] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/beagle-0.0.9/mozilla-extension'
[02:24] <ogra> zip -q9 beagle.xpi install.rdf chrome/beagle.jar
[02:24] <ogra> Unfrgiven, its missing a lot more
[02:24] <Unfrgiven> ogra: oh? really.... what else? im keen to get it going :)
[02:25] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i don't have beagle.jar
[02:25] <ogra> Unfrgiven, the debhelper script fo mono is totally broken...
[02:25] <ogra> |QuaD-_, but its generated in the package... dunno where it goes thn
[02:25] <Unfrgiven> ogra: doh! oh well i guess it wont be long till we have beagle in breezy
[02:26] <|QuaD-_> haha. is this problem reproduceable, or is it only me
[02:26] <ogra> Unfrgiven, if i give all deps manually to it we would already have it ;)
[02:26] <|QuaD-_> Unfrgiven: apt-get build-deb beagle
[02:26] <|QuaD-_> oh wait
[02:26] <ogra> build-dep
[02:26] <|QuaD-_> different problem :)
[02:26] <|QuaD-_> i think i have all the debs anyways :)
[02:27] <|QuaD-_> *deps
[02:27] <ogra> tseng, any idea what happens with beagle.jar after installation ? (its generated in the beagle package, but doesnt seem to get installed)
[02:28] <|QuaD-_> interesting... seems tha beagle is REindexing my mail
[02:28] <|QuaD-_> lol
[02:28] <ogra> |QuaD-_, its indexing all the time
[02:29] <|QuaD-_> ogra: right but shouldn't it finnish the rest of my files first?
[02:29] <|QuaD-_> heh
[02:31] <|QuaD-_> i hate to see when it tries to index gaim
[02:33] <tseng|work> no, i dont even know why it would have a .jar file
[02:33] <dholbach> see you later guys
[02:33] <tseng|work> is that for the web service?
[02:33] <|QuaD-_> tseng|work: not really sure, i looked on the wiki, didn't say anything about it really
[02:34] <ogra> zip -q9 beagle.xpi install.rdf chrome/beagle.jar
[02:34] <ogra> tseng|work, ^^^
[02:34] <ogra> from the build log
[02:35] <Unfrgiven> gnite dholbach
[02:36] <|QuaD-_> goodnight? its 8am here :)
[02:36] <ogra> tseng|work, it should go to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/{somelonghash}/chrome/
[02:36] <Unfrgiven> its 10:35 here
[02:36] <Unfrgiven> pm
[02:37] <ogra> Unfrgiven, 14:35 here (and at dholbachs place)
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i only have classic.jar here
[02:38] <ogra> |QuaD-_, its generated, but obviously doesnt get installed
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> yeah
[02:41] <|QuaD-_> alright, finals time, ttyl
[02:42] <Amaranth> yay, beagle
[02:42] <|QuaD-_> i am addicted to watching it index
[02:42] <|QuaD-_> hehe
[02:42] <Amaranth> now we just need 2.6.12 to build :)
[02:42] <|QuaD-_> but i have to leave it now!
[02:45] <Unfrgiven> how do i get beagle to index my machine? the best applet appears to be working
[02:45] <ogra> Unfrgiven, do a search
[02:45] <ogra> Unfrgiven, it offers you to start the indexer
[02:46] <Unfrgiven> ogra: thanks
[02:47] <lamont> |QuaD-_: the log shows up in ~lamont/buildLogs sometime within 20-30 minutes of the build finishing.  the archive scripts run at :03 and :33 - if the build finished before about :28 or :58, then it'll make the next archive run.
[02:48] <lamont> |QuaD-_: if the package is NEW, then it requires elmo love before it gets into the archive
[02:48] <lamont> likewise, there can be errors that cause a successfully built package to fail to enter the archive, although those are pretty rare, and involve, uh, strangeness
[02:54] <Unfrgiven> |QuaD-_: how exactly are you watching it index?
[03:00] <koke> I can't get beagle working :(
[03:01] <koke> FATAL: Could not initialize Beagle's bus connection.
[03:02] <tseng|work> ogra lets put it in beagle.install then
[03:02] <ogra> yep
[03:06] <tseng|work> rock on
[03:07] <tseng|work> i also have a user request to built it with wv1 (ms word parser)
[03:07] <tseng|work> he thinks there are a zillion users with a zillion word files on their ubuntu pc
[03:07] <tseng|work> i think thats false, and that wv1 shouldnt go to main with beagle probably
[03:07] <tseng|work> meh.
[03:08] <Lathiat> having the wv support is cute
[03:08] <Lathiat> cus you can bold words and make it rank higher !
[03:09] <Treenaks> tseng|work: doesn't it work with libgsf?
[03:09] <\sh> hmmm...the ubuntu world is really small
[03:09] <Treenaks> \sh: ?
[03:09] <\sh> i think most of the ubuntu devs are coming from places around dortmund ;)
[03:10] <Treenaks> \sh: someone's been recruiting ;)
[03:10] <\sh> Treenaks: well...i learned that mvo is member of ping.de ;)
[03:11] <\sh> ping.de was one of the first private internet clubs in dortmund :)
[03:11] <\sh> funny :)
[03:19] <ogra> tseng|work, isnt word indexing in gsf-sharp ?
[03:30] <koke> have to go...
[03:33] <g14> Newbie Question: I looked at the UbuntuDownUnder Breezy Goals and it said that mono will be included with Breezy by default
[03:33] <g14> Is this true?
[03:33] <tritium> yep
[03:34] <g14> awesome, you have one more convert from fedora
[03:34] <tritium> tseng is our Mono master
[03:35] <g14> I'm sure the debian purist nazis love that
[03:36] <\sh> the what?
[03:37] <Treenaks> g14: mono is Free, and it's being fixed in Debian as well as Ubuntu -- at the same time by the same people afaik
[03:37] <Treenaks> g14: not really much about it that the Debian Purists don't like
[03:37] <g14> I thought the debian guys would never include mono for the same reasons redhat never will, the potential m$ problem
[03:38] <g14> like cloning asp.net
[03:38] <g14> Maybe I missed something on the mailinglists
[03:39] <\sh> g14: redhat is riding on the hard OS business wave...they have to include mono if they want to have success with their desktop distribution
[03:41] <g14> Was I wrong about debian including mono by default?
[03:42] <\sh> what means "by default"?
[03:42] <Treenaks> I don't know about sarge.. but debian will have mono in main
[03:42] <\sh> "by default" == in the normal installation process
[03:42] <Treenaks> uh.. sarge+1
[03:42] <\sh> "by default" == in the main reposistories?
[03:42] <g14> in the main installation
[03:42] <\sh> g14: for what?
[03:43] <ogra> our mono packages come from debian
[03:43] <g14> Beagle, tomboy, the same things that ubuntu will have it for
[03:43] <Treenaks> g14: the main installation for debian is usually "base only" for me
[03:43] <Treenaks> g14: the rest I apt-get when I need it
[03:43] <ogra> without their work we wouldnt have mono, so please dont call tem nazis or something
[03:44] <\sh> g14: if you mean the runtime to run mono apps it should be ok to install it, _when_ there are any ness. applications using mono-runtime on debian
[03:44] <g14> I didn't mean to offend anyone but anytime I ask on the debian mailinglist or in #debian they are very rude
[03:44] <Treenaks> ogra: well, they are strict about licensing stuff
[03:44] <Treenaks> ogra: (for good reasons)
[03:44] <ogra> g14, at least one of them is in this channel...
[03:45] <\sh> rude != nazis
[03:45] <g14> that was a figure of speech
[03:45] <g14> Sorry if I bothered anyone
[03:45] <\sh> g14: sorry, i wouldn't use it even as a figure of speech
[03:47] <g14> Your from germany, you took that way differently than I meant it
[03:47] <\sh> g14: i think, it has nothing to do with "being german"
[03:47] <\sh> or coming from germany
[03:48] <\sh> but this is OT
[03:48] <g14> agreed
[03:50] <Lathiat> rmm
[03:50] <Lathiat> i needed to link /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so.0 to /usr/lib/libMonopsixHelper.so to get beagled to start
[03:51] <\sh> going home now...cu later dudes
[03:51] <ogra> Lathiat, as i said mono is totally broken currently...
[03:51] <tritium> see you \sh
[03:51] <ogra> Lathiat, so be patient ;)
[03:52] <ogra> or break your system ;)
[03:57] <ogra> heh
[03:58] <Lathiat> ogra: righton
[03:58] <tritium> :-)
[03:58] <Treenaks> tritium: scary
[03:59] <Treenaks> tritium: how about "MOTU"
[03:59] <Amaranth> whoa...beagle is on a quest to kill my computer
[03:59] <tritium> Treenaks, sure :)
[03:59] <Amaranth> ~90% CPU for the last 10 minuts
[04:00] <Lathiat> Amaranth: indexing everything :)
[04:00] <Amaranth> it's been running for a week
[04:00] <Treenaks> Amaranth: a /week/ >???
[04:00] <Treenaks> Amaranth: how large is your ~ ?
[04:00] <Amaranth> gigs
[04:00] <Amaranth> many, many gigs
[04:00] <Lathiat> cvs checkouts must kill it :)
[04:01] <Lathiat> ok so
[04:01] <Lathiat> once i got this package building, fixed, etc
[04:01] <Lathiat> genchanges?
[04:01] <Amaranth> my ~ is about 54GB
[04:01] <xuzo> how is the mantainer of tomboy?
[04:01] <Amaranth> tseng
[04:02] <xuzo> desktop file is missing :)
[04:02] <Amaranth> guessing you mean who
[04:02] <Amaranth> tomboy runs on the panel
[04:02] <Lathiat> xuzo: you dont use a icon, you add it to your panel
[04:02] <Lathiat> xuzo: right click panel, add to panel, tomboy
[04:02] <ogra> xuzo, the should be no .desktop file
[04:02] <xuzo> mmm is an applet now? sorry
[04:03] <xuzo> last time I check it was a systray icon, sorry for the noise
[04:03] <ogra> it changed with this version
[04:03] <ogra> :)
[04:04] <xuzo> I'm searching some relative-easy work to do
[04:05] <ogra> xuzo, then stay around, we'll have a lot of work to do the next days....
[04:05] <ogra> weeks....months.....
[04:06] <xuzo> ok ogra, but... there is a place/page were I can start?
[04:06] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[04:06] <ogra> for everxything about MOTU and how to become one...
[04:07] <xuzo> mmm I already check it, some more expecific, like things that need to be packaged or fixed
[04:07] <ogra> additionally the debian new maintainers guide for packaging knowledge....
[04:07] <ogra> ah, ok... we make lists for that, but the real fun hasnt started yet....
[04:08] <xuzo> UniverseCandidates is up-to-date?
[04:08] <ogra> but anyway, every red package here that is in universe is to be fixed by us: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[04:08] <ogra> yep
[04:09] <ogra> feel free to add things if you miss something
[04:09] <xuzo> ogra, thanks, two good resources to start ;)
[04:09] <tritium> yikes, gsl is in that list
[04:10] <ogra> missing dep
[04:10] <tritium> yeah, looking...
[04:11] <ogra> ps2eps is probably still waiting for a merge with the new version
[04:11] <tritium> gsl is near and dear to my heart
[04:11] <ogra> gab it ;)
[04:11] <ogra> grab even
[04:11] <tritium> cool, but it looks like nothing really to fix, just a missing dep
[04:11] <ogra> but i think it will resolve if ps2eps is there...
[04:12] <tritium> we agree
[04:12] <ogra> you could look whats holding back ps2eps
[04:13] <tritium> okay
[04:17] <lamont> ogra: well, except for the dep-waits that will be met eventually, and the apt errors that happen every time the build starts during the middle of processing that architecture's Release file, and ... :-)
[04:18] <ogra> heh
[04:19] <|QuaD-_> ogra: just got back from my finally, beagled hasn't crashed yet, its been running for ~2 hours
[04:20] <tritium> |QuaD-_, hey, how did it go?
[04:20] <ogra> |QuaD-_, but you are on ix86, right ?
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> tritium: good, but i think i had all of the dependencies not listed
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> ogra: yeah, p4 i believe
[04:20] <tritium> |QuaD-_, I meant your final exam :)
[04:20] <ogra> |QuaD-_, on amd64 it still crashes after 1-2h
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> ogra: what do you have
[04:20] <|QuaD-_> tritium: haha
[04:21] <|QuaD-_> tritium: not that bad, i expected it to be worse
[04:21] <tritium> Good!  You're done, right?
[04:21] <|QuaD-_> just have to turn in my thesis (and make last minute corrections) :) then i graduate if i passed everything :) what about you?
[04:22] <tritium> I take my final defense on July 22.  No more coursework or exams at this point.
[04:22] <|QuaD-_> tritium: you phd?
[04:23] <tritium> yeah, in e.e., you?
[04:23] <|QuaD-_> ahh, undergrad :) i am a youngin
[04:23] <|QuaD-_> what school do you go to?
[04:23] <lamont> ogra: and if there's an actual failure (as opposed to dep-wait/give-back) that just needs a build later (e.g., broken debhelper), then you poke me, or elmo if I'm not around
[04:23] <lamont> rather than a no-source-change upload
[04:23] <tritium> |QuaD-_, Purdue grad, Notre Dame undergrad.  Where are you?
[04:23] <ogra> oki
[04:24] <ogra> lamont, but fixing the debhelper will still take me some time....
[04:24] <ogra> so i'll come back to you later with a lot of mono stuff
[04:24] <|QuaD-_> tritium: BU... one of my professors actually asked me to do my phd (or even masters) with him next year (ee/cse), but i am done with engineering, i can't do it anymore
[04:24] <|QuaD-_> tritium: i wanna go back for a phd in cs
[04:25] <tritium> |QuaD-_, that's awesome :)
[04:25] <lamont> np.  Note htat if there are binaries in the archive for that version of the pacakge on that architecture, then you get to do a no-source-change upload.
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> tritium: yeah, i really wish he was a cs prof (his phd is actually in cs). He is one of the greatest professors i ever had. He actually made problem sets fun by having us get our code graded by how fast it ran in relation to the class, turned into huge contests
[04:26] <|QuaD-_> (it was a cse algorithms class)
[04:26] <tritium> heh
[04:30] <|QuaD-_> tritium: whats your phd on?
[04:30] <tritium> |QuaD-_, I'll query you, since this is getting OT
[04:30] <|QuaD-_> heh ok :)
[04:31] <Lathiat> humm, how do i tell dupload to upload my i386 deb as well
[04:46] <thom> don't use -S to dpkg-buildpacke/debuild
[04:47] <thom> Lathiat: ^^
[04:48] <Lathiat> yep thanks
[04:49] <\sh> re
[05:07] <|QuaD-_> ogra: when beagled crashed for you, what would happen? mine kept repeating a message about closing *something something* filesystem, and i don't think it continuted to index
[05:08] <ogra> |QuaD-_, it says "Exit" in the last line and you get your prompt back
[05:09] <|QuaD-_> ohh, mine didn't do that
[05:14] <tseng|work> did i miss anything?
[05:15] <|QuaD-_> ogra: DEBUG: Close on FileSystemIndex thats what it is... going to find out what that means
[05:16] <ogra> |QuaD-_, i think thats ok...
[05:17] <|QuaD-_> hmm, alrighty, i just didn't see it indexing
[05:18] <|QuaD-_> ohh just picked up again
[05:19] <|QuaD-_> ogra: its normal
[05:19] <ogra> yep
[05:25] <\sh> changed mysql-query-browser
[05:25] <\sh> dholbach can review ;)
[05:29] <\sh> and it feels like that I have a virus in my health-system
[05:34] <ogra> tseng|work, the error is in mono, not in dh_clilibs it seems
[05:34] <Lathiat> hrmm
[05:34] <Lathiat> i deleted the files off my server and trying to dupload again it says its already done, where does it store that information?
[05:35] <ogra> in the log....
[05:35] <Nafallo> ogra: any troubles with breezy64 I should think about or is it worth the upgrade? :-)
[05:35] <\sh> in the directory where the uploaded file is...remove the file with ".upload "
[05:35] <Lathiat> oh
[05:35] <Lathiat> right
[05:35] <ogra> Nafallo, works fine here (regarding the early state we're in)
[05:35] <Nafallo> ogra: kewl. I'll upgrade then :-).
[05:36] <Lathiat> sorry, bit new to pbuilder and dupload, etc -- only done general packaging before :)
[05:36] <ogra> Lathiat, but never ever do an upload you already did twice to an official server ...
[05:36] <Lathiat> ogra: righton
[05:37] <Lathiat> altho, ooc, why ?
[05:37] <Lathiat> not that i see any reason to ever have to
[05:39] <ogra> tseng|work, dh_clilibs calls monodis :
[05:39] <ogra> $ monodis --assemblyref /usr/lib/tomboy/Tomboy.exe
[05:39] <ogra> /usr/bin/monodis: error: /usr/bin/.libs/monodis does not exist
[05:39] <ogra> there is our bug
[05:40] <|QuaD-_> not that i want it, but are there any plans to package dashboard right now? or are they waiting until it is really worked on
[05:40] <ogra> is it maintained upstream ?
[05:41] <|QuaD-_> ogra: is that for me?
[05:41] <ogra> yep
[05:41] <|QuaD-_> upstream as in debian?
[05:41] <ogra> does anybody devolop it actively ? does it get bug/security fixes ?
[05:42] <|QuaD-_> no, they are spending their time perfecting beagle, then once they finish beagle they are planning to go back to it
[05:42] <|QuaD-_> (i think i read that somewhere)
[05:44] <Lathiat> so, where do i ask to get someone to review this debian sync fix?
[05:44] <Lathiat> i can only see the list for new packages on the wiki
[05:44] <\sh> Lathiat: new package for universe?
[05:44] <Lathiat> nah, just a fix to the debian sync
[05:45] <\sh> Lathiat: put it on MOTUToReview
[05:45] <Lathiat> i am blind i missed that link
[05:46] <\sh> Lathiat: hehe ;) i missed that link also ;)
[05:49] <\sh> and now I know why i'm not feeling well....my back is paining
[05:56] <jabra> umm do you guys review the "MOTUNewPackages" site in order?
[05:58] <\sh> hi dholbach
[05:59] <dholbach> hey \sh
[05:59] <\sh> dholbach: you can catch ne new diff.gz and dsc for mysql-query-browser later
[05:59] <dholbach> yes, later :-)
[05:59] <dholbach> ROCK :-)
[05:59] <ogra> and ROLL !
[06:03] <jabra> umm do you guys review the "MOTUNewPackages" site in order?
[06:04] <dholbach> jabra: we try to catch all
[06:06] <jabra> dholbach: ok cool
[06:06] <jabra> jw
[06:07] <tseng|work> ogra: oh man!
[06:07] <tseng|work> ogra: thats a dumb one
[06:07] <tseng|work> good find
[06:07] <ogra> yep
[06:07] <dholbach> whiprush: do they really plan a tax on hamburgers in detroit?
[06:07] <tseng|work> i am super busy at work on php
[06:07] <ogra> took me a while...lets fix it after the meeting
[06:07] <tseng|work> will look in again later
[06:07] <ogra> ok
[06:08] <tseng|work> ta
[06:08] <whiprush> dholbach: what? that can't be right
[06:08] <whiprush> otherwise I'm in trouble
[06:08] <dholbach> i'll read it on a german newssite
[06:08] <dholbach> will give you the link later :-)
[06:08] <dholbach> whiprush: http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID4328452_REF1,00.html
[06:09] <dholbach> you have to put it in babelfish or something :-)
[06:09] <whiprush> haha
[06:09] <whiprush> that's funny
[06:13] <Lathiat> blah, this package builds properly in pbuilder but not normally
[06:19] <diamond> lo folks
[06:19] <dholbach> gratulations siretart
[06:19] <dholbach> diamond: you were on the CommunityCouncilAgenda as well?
[06:19] <siretart> dholbach: thanks :)
[06:20] <diamond> dholbach: yup
[06:20] <dholbach> diamond: -> #ubuntu-meeting :-)
[06:20] <diamond> dholbach: mako's mail said tho who'd been to the last meeting didn't need to turn up, which was good, cos i couldn't make this one -)
[06:20] <diamond> dholbach: ah, ok.
[06:20] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:20] <dholbach> i think it's better when you speak for yourself :-)
[06:21] <Nafallo> ogra: glad I had a local server now ;-). got 5 packages out of 384 from the net or something :-P.
[06:21] <ogra> heh
[06:21] <diamond> dholbach: grand
[06:22] <Nafallo> ogra: you got that lsb-core bug?
[06:22] <ogra> dunno... bug # ?
[06:22] <Nafallo> ogra: I believe Mithrandir reported it in debian, dunno #.
[06:22] <Nafallo> ogra: I helped reproduce it in a chroot ;-)
[06:22] <ogra> hmm, so i cant really tell ....
[06:23] <Nafallo> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[06:23] <Nafallo>  trying to overwrite `/lib64', which is also in package lsb-core
[06:23] <dholbach> dredg: could you have a look at MOTUToReview and tell me how the status of the packages is?
[06:23] <dholbach> there were some of yours on
[06:24] <diamond> dholbach: have they gotten as far down the list as me yet? (think i'm last or so)
[06:24] <dholbach> diamond: no, not yet... so you can relax a bit :-)
[06:24] <diamond> dholbach: ok. i'll try -)
[06:24] <dredg> dholbach: hello
[06:24] <dholbach> hai dredg :-)
[06:24] <dholbach> diamond: don't worry :-)
[06:25] <dredg> dholbach: i'll take a look at it in a bit
[06:25] <dholbach> take your time
[06:26] <dredg> i've sort of been enjoying a stable desktop, though i'm a bit tempted to just upgrade to breezy and embrace the brokenness...
[06:26] <ogra> guys, can we get together after the meeting and make up a date for the next MotuMeeting ?
[06:27] <dholbach> dredg: it works particularly fine for me
[06:28] <dredg> i don't doubt it
[06:28] <dredg> i miss the daily upgrades
[06:31] <Lathiat> error: brain unable to parse configure script output
[06:31] <Lathiat> i'd hate to be sh
[06:33] <dredg> e
[06:35] <Nafallo> yay! I run breezy :-)
[06:35] <lamont> londonlaw needs python2.4 love
[06:42] <dredg> dholbach: i have nothing outstanding on MOTUToReview
[06:43] <Nafallo> hmm, ubuntu-calendar is out of date :-P.
[06:43] <Nafallo> even more so then it was before :-)
[06:44] <dredg> that is, if the wiki would stop being as slow as a very slow thing
[07:05] <diamond> ogra, dholbach, dredg: cheers for the support -)
[07:05] <dholbach> you absolutely deserved it
[07:05] <dredg> diamond: now you just want to bribe the technical commitee and you're set
[07:05] <ogra> was based on _your_ work ;)
[07:05] <tritium> Thank you everyone!
[07:06] <diamond> ogra: never hurts to have others say it was worth doing tho -)
[07:06] <dredg> diamond: now make authconfig work :)
[07:06] <ogra> heh
[07:06] <diamond> dredg: sir, yes sir!
[07:06] <\sh> thx alot guys for your help :)
[07:07] <diamond> dholbach: http://www.skynet.ie/~diamond/images/cpp.jpg
[07:07] <dholbach> we'll be a ROCKing MOTU team with you guys help
[07:07] <ogra> yeah
[07:07] <dholbach> haha :-)))
[07:07] <ogra> tseng|work, around ?
[07:09] <xuzo> hi, I just package gnome-schedule
[07:11] <tritium> elmo, ogra, dholbach: Thanks for your support :)
[07:11] <ogra> :)
[07:11] <dholbach> :-)
[07:12] <tritium> :-)
[07:12] <\sh> hmmm...i looks like ubuntu world domination ;)
[07:13] <\sh> "we are the Master Of The Universe, Drop Your Shields, Resistance is Futile" ;-)
[07:15] <Lathiat> haha
[07:20] <\sh> ah dholbach
[07:21] <\sh>  Applied a patch to make mysql-admin compile under gcc4.0 and amd64 thanks
[07:21] <\sh>     to Andreas Jochens and Stephan Hermann (closes: #301844)
[07:21] <\sh> mysql-admin
[07:21] <dholbach> i'll have a look after the meetin
[07:21] <\sh> adam applied my supplied patch to debian ;)
[07:21] <\sh> no work for me anymore
[07:21] <dholbach> ah :-)
[07:21] <\sh> so i can close it ,)
[07:23] <\sh> if I could see my assign bugs list...but system error
[07:27] <xuzo> sorry but... I packaged for breezy one from UniverseCandidates. What to do now?
[07:28] <dholbach> xuzo: would you please put it on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages ?
[07:28] <dholbach> somebody will review it and get in touch with you
[07:28] <dholbach> sounds good?
[07:30] <xuzo> ok ;)
[07:31] <\sh> prf..
[07:31] <\sh> anybody usin tagtool under breezy?
[07:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[07:54] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[07:54] <Amaranth> hey, does tagtool work on AAC files?
[07:54] <bddebian> Hello dholbach
[07:55] <crimsun> dholbach: ok, thanks. It's a work in progress.
[07:56] <dholbach> cool
[07:56] <dholbach> thank you
[07:56] <crimsun> I'm working with the Debian maintainer and upstream both on it
[07:56] <dholbach> wow!
[07:56] <tritium> crimsun, we're discussing ops in #ubuntu-meeting
[07:57] <herve> hi!
[07:57] <dholbach> hey herve
[07:57] <crimsun> tritium: yep, thanks.
[07:57] <tritium> np
[07:57] <crimsun> (just reattached)
[08:10] <ogra> rrright
[08:10] <ogra> can we make up a date for the next motu meeting ?
[08:11] <crimsun> Amaranth: not that I know of
[08:11] <tritium> ogra, sure
[08:11] <crimsun> (just please not this week or next monday)
[08:11] <dholbach> i'm free
[08:12] <ogra> crimsun, make a proposal ;)
[08:12] <crimsun> actually, go with what works best for everyone
[08:12] <tritium> I'll bring the coffee and doughnuts
[08:12] <crimsun> I'm moving across the country late this week, so I'll try and catch logs if late this week works best for others
[08:13] <tritium> Where are you moving, crimsun?
[08:13] <ogra> how about next week ?
[08:13] <crimsun> Rochester, MN (IBM)
[08:13] <crimsun> ogra: sure, next week is great
[08:13] <ogra> lets say thursday....?
[08:14] <tritium> Wow, congratulations.  If you're anywhere in the area of West Lafayette, you've got a place to stay if you need it.
[08:14] <dholbach> crimsun: good luck with everything!
[08:14] <crimsun> Thursday (19 May) ~1600 UTC?
[08:14] <ogra> sounds good
[08:15] <crimsun> tritium: / dholbach: thanks!
[08:15] <tritium> Sure.  Are you driving?
[08:15] <dholbach> crimsun: perfect for me
[08:15] <crimsun> (flying out)
[08:15] <tritium> ah, okay
[08:15] <crimsun> ok, anyone object to next Thursday, 19 May, 1600 UTC for the MOTU meeting?
[08:16] <dholbach> ogra: i put it on the calendar
[08:16] <herve> what time it makes in GMT?
[08:16] <ogra> 18:00
[08:16] <tritium> dholbach, you'll put it on the wiki calendar?
[08:16] <dholbach> ogra: not just +1
[08:16] <\sh> ??? gmt==utc ;)
[08:16] <dholbach> tritium: yes
[08:16] <ogra> dholbach, ah, yes
[08:17] <ogra> sorry
[08:17] <tritium> dholbach, sweet, then it'll automatically show up on my calendar in evolution :)
[08:17] <herve> dholbach, yes, on our tz if you know it!
[08:17] <Nafallo> \sh: hehe, but bst doesn't ;-)
[08:17] <dholbach> tritium: robitaille does the .ics stuff
[08:17] <crimsun> herve: it'd be 1600 GMT
[08:17] <\sh> Nafallo: bst?
[08:17] <dholbach> herve: in our its +2 atm
[08:17] <tritium> dholbach, ok, so there may be some delay...
[08:17] <herve> \sh, I'm not really sure, with the dst and all funny stuff like that
[08:17] <dholbach> utc+2
[08:17] <Nafallo> \sh: british summer time iirc :-)
[08:17] <\sh> Nafallo: bst == gmt+1
[08:18] <herve> ok so 18 in western europe
[08:18] <herve> sounds good
[08:18] <Nafallo> \sh: oui, i.e. gmt==utc!=bst :-)
[08:18] <\sh> in summer uk time is german time -1
[08:18] <\sh> in winter -2
[08:18] <herve> just be sure to remind me!
[08:18] <Nafallo> \sh: CET that is :-)
[08:19] <ogra> damn, the wiki hangs
[08:19] <herve> my head...
[08:19] <\sh> ogra: not only the wiki
[08:19] <ogra> ah....works
[08:19] <\sh> Nafallo: well...;) I
[08:19] <Nafallo> herve: *s* I just had a conversation with a user. _my_ head ;-)
[08:19] <\sh> I'm really not in this timezone business..at least I'd never a jetlag
[08:20] <dholbach> edited the calendar: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar
[08:20] <ogra> great
[08:20] <\sh> dholbach: ical also updated?
[08:21] <dholbach> \sh: i'm talking to robitaille
[08:21] <dholbach> he maintains it
[08:21] <\sh> no automatic conversion?
[08:21] <dholbach> don't think so
[08:22] <tritium> only thing I don't like about using his ical is that I can't get alarm notification
[08:23] <\sh> hmm
[08:23] <herve> ok I'm getting mad
[08:23] <herve> I can't find the build logs of pbuilder
[08:24] <tritium> herve, did you specify one?
[08:25] <herve> no default choice?
[08:25] <\sh> herve: hmmm.... i do pbuilder bla.dsc &> build.log L;)
[08:25] <Lathiat> dholbach: do you know much about the gl/glu header stuff?
[08:25] <tritium> I use the switch
[08:25] <Lathiat> dholbach: bzflag builds fine in pbuilder, but not normally on my machine, and i cant see why it fails the check
[08:26] <dholbach> Lathiat: not at all, i just tried to make it work by installing the according header files and it worked
[08:26] <dholbach> what goes wrong?
[08:26] <Lathiat> fails to find gluScaleImage in GL/glu.h
[08:27] <Lathiat> even tho its there, and is linkable
[08:27] <dholbach> install the build-depends locally
[08:27] <dholbach> ah htm well
[08:27] <\sh> crimsun: ping
[08:27] <Lathiat> well, they are installed see :)
[08:27] <Lathiat> and i cant see anything conflicted
[08:27] <Lathiat> its got me puzzled
[08:27] <crimsun> \sh: pong
[08:27] <Lathiat> and trying to parse the configure script output to replicate the exact test is like trying to pull my teeth out
[08:28] <Lathiat> is there some debug option to configure?
[08:28] <\sh> crimsun: pykde stuff :)
[08:28] <crimsun> \sh: k. Let's see if it was synced from Sid, first
[08:29] <\sh> check this posting http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2004-September/008483.html
[08:29] <crimsun> k
[08:30] <\sh> it's something different...incompatiblity with kde while processing kconfigskeletons call by ref values
[08:30] <\sh> the patch this guy mentioned is working very smooth...i prepared some patches against the latest snapshot of pykde...
[08:31] <crimsun> did you pull from cvs/svn?
[08:31] <\sh> upstream wrote a mail to me that he will release a new version of pykde last week...nothing happened, so I think we should patch pykde and put it in the repos for being kde conform
[08:31] <\sh> crimsun: no
[08:31] <crimsun> all right, what's the versioning like?
[08:32] <crimsun> 3.11.4+cvs20050510-0ubuntu1?
[08:32] <\sh> http://www.river-bank.demon.co.uk/download/snapshots/PyKDE/
[08:32] <crimsun> thanks
[08:32] <\sh> no
[08:32] <\sh> i didn't see any cvs place for it
[08:33] <Lathiat> ohh
[08:33] <Lathiat> i see
[08:33] <\sh> kde has only a copy of this snapshot in it
[08:33] <Lathiat> -lGL needs -lpthread
[08:33] <Lathiat> seems like $LDFLAGS isnt getting pulled in
[08:33] <Lathiat> humm
[08:34] <tritium> crimsun, will you seek an adjunct position at a local university, or are you just focusing on IBM now?
[08:34] <\sh> kdebindings not mentioned cause it's disabled by default in makefile.am
[08:34] <crimsun> \sh: is that snapshot newer than 3.11.4?
[08:34] <\sh> crimsun: definitly
[08:34] <crimsun> tritium: no idea atm about the former, just the latter for now
[08:34] <tritium> crimsun, cool
[08:34] <\sh> 3.11.4 is bundled with kdebindings 3.4 and disabled cause of problems with python versions and dcop-python
[08:36] <crimsun> \sh: ok, let's rename that snapshot to that versioning scheme: python-kde3_3.11.4+snapshot20050316-0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz
[08:37] <\sh> crimsun: i saw that you had your hands on this package...i would send u the patches, could u try to include those patches?
[08:38] <crimsun> \sh: I don't own the package at all, feel free to work on it
[08:38] <herve> crimsun, you're trying to create the longest package name? :-)
[08:38] <tritium> hmm, mako may have forgotten...15 minutes have turned into 30
[08:38] <crimsun> herve: that honour belongs to the translation packages ;)
[08:39] <\sh> crimsun: ok...will try to put those patces in
[08:39] <crimsun> \sh: great
[08:40] <crimsun> herve: for instance, mozilla-firefox-locale-foo: 1.0.1lang20050309ubuntu1-0ubuntu3
[08:40] <crimsun> ;)
[08:41] <herve> wow!
[08:42] <herve> be around
[08:42] <herve> ++
[08:44] <crimsun> tritium: maybe there was a really long line for coffee
[08:44] <tritium> yeah ;)
[08:49] <tritium> okay, crimsun...mako is back
[08:49] <dholbach> hey StoneTable
[08:49] <dholbach> StoneTable: were you on the communitycouncilagenda-list as well?
[08:49] <StoneTable> hey dholbach
[08:50] <StoneTable> I don't think I was
[08:50] <dholbach> are you a member yet?
[08:50] <StoneTable> nope
[08:50] <dholbach> i strongly encourage you to put yourself on the list for next time :-)
[08:51] <dholbach> which will be 24 May 22:00 UTC
[08:53] <StoneTable> alright, I'm added :)
[08:53] <crimsun> great
[08:53] <Nafallo> dholbach: any new recruits made it today? :-)
[08:54] <dholbach> ask the channel :-)
[08:54] <dholbach> tritium is a FULL motu now, schweeb, siretart and ... *think* ... made it
[08:54] <Lathiat> ugh, this is annoying
[08:54] <tritium> :-)
[08:54] <Nafallo> :-)
[08:54] <Nafallo> tritium: congrats :-)
[08:54] <tritium> Nafallo, thanks :)
[08:55] <crimsun> excellent
[08:56] <dholbach> who made it as well?
[08:57] <Nafallo> dholbach: btw, did you see I'm on Help/Test for IntroDevDocs ;-)
[08:58] <dholbach> oh cool
[08:58] <dholbach> it's so good you're all in this so actively
[08:58] <seb128> evening
[08:58] <seb128> bradb: around?
[08:59] <dholbach> hey seb128
[08:59] <bradb> seb128: hi, yeah, around
[08:59] <seb128> daniel!!
[08:59] <ogra> oh, seb128
[08:59] <dholbach> seb!!! give us some MOTU love!
[08:59] <seb128> bradb: any plan to fix the search for malone?
[08:59] <Nafallo> dholbach: well, I was pulling a joke, but it seems ppl want's me as MOTU or something ;-).
[08:59] <seb128> trying to find dups without a search ... doesn't work
[08:59] <dholbach> seb128 must be here for planning the MOTUGNOME team :-)
[08:59] <seb128> and I don't like to open dups
[09:00] <bradb> seb128: yeah, i'll try to have that fixed by the end of tomorrowish, but no matter what it might take another week or two before it actually lands in production (i only just returned from holidays after UdU yesterday :)
[09:00] <dholbach> Nafallo: if you want to join the crew and do some good work, go ahead, we will absolutely help you
[09:00] <herve> don't bother him, he'll never come back otherwise!
[09:00] <seb128> dholbach: 1- fix malone or people will have a nervous breakdown after 5 bugs
[09:01] <seb128> bradb: one week or two to get feedback on bugs, and you expect to be ready for july? utch
[09:01] <seb128> bradb: no offence, but that's not going to work imho, that's too lagy to work on issues
[09:01] <bddebian> WTF is malone?
[09:01] <seb128> the bug tracker used by ubuntu
[09:01] <bradb> seb128: there's a huge amount of overhead between having code committed vs. getting it merged vs. getting it rolled out into production.
[09:02] <bddebian> Ahhh
[09:02] <dholbach> bddebian: launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[09:02] <bradb> code reviews, dogfooding for a week, etc.
[09:02] <Nafallo> *phone*
[09:02] <seb128> bradb: as an user I don't really care ... :) but yeah I understand
[09:02] <seb128> that's doesn't sound good
[09:03] <seb128> 2 weeks to get a feedback on a fix for something that is supposed to be ready soon ... hum
[09:04] <seb128> there is no way to make this easier to get quick feedback?
[09:05] <bradb> seb128: dogfood
[09:06] <seb128> that's the same bug base?
[09:06] <bradb> yeah, that's the intent, i believe
[09:06] <seb128> no, I mean, the bugs are syncs between both
[09:06] <bradb> yeah, that's what i mean too :)
[09:06] <seb128> people bugs on the public server
[09:07] <seb128> k
[09:07] <bradb> well, dogfood wouldn't be sync'd up to prod though, naturally
[09:07] <seb128> so if I close a bug on dogfood, what happen for prod?
[09:07] <bradb> because dogfood will usually be newer code
[09:07] <seb128> nothing?
[09:07] <bradb> correct
[09:07] <seb128> hum
[09:08] <bradb> that's a lot of extra complexity to add to our workload. the dogfood server isn't meant to fill that purpose.
[09:08] <seb128> you are just coming back from holidays, I'll let you a week or two before starting bugging you :)
[09:08] <bradb> it's meant to be a testbed for what will end up getting rolled out onto production.
[09:08] <seb128> but atm malone is not usuable on a maintainer side
[09:09] <bradb> because of the search, you mean?
[09:09] <seb128> can't comment on bug without entering the comment 2 times and clicking 3 times
[09:09] <seb128> no search
[09:10] <seb128> no way to see the bug assigned to somebody
[09:10] <seb128> (probably the search too this one?)
[09:10] <bradb> entering the comment two times and clicking three times? you should only have to enter it once and click once, unless something really nasty happened when i wasn't looking (and i haven't been looking for the last two weeks, so i guess it's possible.)
[09:12] <seb128> according to the feedback on the malone bug that's fixed for dogfood
[09:12] <seb128> adding a comment raise an error
[09:12] <seb128> and clear the comment
[09:12] <seb128> but commenting from the error page works
[09:12] <seb128> hum
[09:12] <seb128> how do I look for closed bugs?
[09:13] <herve> and assigned bugs
[09:13] <ogra> seb128, search ?
[09:13] <ogra> :)
[09:13] <seb128> bradb: anyway I've opened bugs for some issues, feel free to comment on them ;)
[09:14] <bradb> seb128: yeah, well, the search is broken, so if you're trying to do things that involve searching bugs, well... :)
[09:14] <seb128> no way to force a sync to production to fix this bug?
[09:14] <seb128> I mean, that makes malone quite unusable during the time that's not fixed
[09:14] <seb128> waiting 1 or 2 weeks doesn't really make sense
[09:15] <bradb> seb128: i know what you mean. i'll have to ask stub about this, because he's our production rollout guy.
[09:15] <seb128> k, thanks
[09:15] <Lathiat> woo fixed this stupid bug
[09:15] <seb128> I'll stop bothering you for tonight
[09:15] <seb128> thanks for working on that :)
[09:16] <bradb> seb128: not bothering me dude, your complaints are ben valide
[09:17] <seb128> yeah, but I've put most of them on malone and you are just coming back from holidays ... better to let you some time to catch up ;)
[09:18] <seb128> bradb: oh, I think dholbach already asked during UDU, but is there any way to subscribe a ml to the GNOME Team bugs?
[09:19] <bradb> seb128: the preferred email address of the GNOME team would have to be the list email address
[09:20] <seb128> rock
[09:20] <seb128> I just need to a mailing-list from somewhere so
[09:20] <seb128> dholbach: get us a list please :)
[09:20] <Lathiat> dholbach: ping
[09:21] <dholbach> Lathiat: pong
[09:21] <\sh> *sniff*
[09:21] <\sh>   9:13pm  up 449 days,  9:27,  3 users,  load average: 3.88, 3.93, 5.35
[09:21] <seb128> dholbach: ME FIRST
[09:21] <\sh> and i have to reboot it
[09:21] <seb128> what a load
[09:21] <dholbach> seb128: i still ask jdub for ubuntu-motu@ and didnt get it yet
[09:21] <ivoks> \sh in the end, money was ok :)
[09:21] <Lathiat> to build with nvidia-glx, you need -lpthread with -lGL (as opposed to without), so it works fine in buildds etc, should I patch the config stuff to handle this, or leave it?
[09:22] <dholbach> nvidia-glx?
[09:22] <\sh> seb128: and it's a dual pent III machine..:(
[09:23] <Lathiat> dholbach: nvidia-glx is the magic GL libraries for nvidia
[09:23] <Lathiat> binary ones
[09:23] <\sh> i hope it's coming up again
[09:23] <dholbach> yeah, but i hope you don't have it in build-deps or somewhere
[09:23] <Lathiat> no
[09:23] <Lathiat> i just happen to have it installed locally
[09:23] <dholbach> seb128: i will take care of the list
[09:24] <Lathiat> so wondering if its best just to leave it to stay close to upstream.
[09:24] <seb128> dholbach: thanks
[09:24] <ivoks> i don't know if it's a bug, but i can't rename directory in nautilus
[09:24] <Lathiat> since it will build on the buildds fine and run fine
[09:24] <dholbach> seb128: ubuntu-gnome-bugs@?
[09:24] <seb128> dholbach: sounds cool
[09:25] <dholbach> rock
[09:26] <Nafallo> dholbach: I'll see what I do. First thing is to become more active on those stuff I choosed yesterday (devdocs etc.) :-).
[09:27] <Nafallo> dholbach: and what I choosed earlier, UniverseSecurity ;-).
[09:28] <dholbach> cool, we need ROCKING teams
[09:29] <Nafallo> indeed :-).
[09:30] <ogra> bah.....
[09:30] <ogra> nobody noted herve's upload ?
[09:30] <seb128> which one?
[09:30] <ogra> larabie
[09:31] <herve> sshhhhh...
[09:31] <herve> it's not even free ;-)
[09:31] <ogra> and ?
[09:32] <herve> I would have liked a better package for the first upload on my own
[09:32] <crimsun> hey, any package is good!
[09:32] <herve> I don't even use that package :-)
[09:32] <crimsun> I noticed, because I tried to install nicotine ;)
[09:33] <ogra> crimsun, yeah, you poked me to it :)
[09:33] <dholbach> herve: you finally made it!
[09:33] <ogra> but jdub cheered for gcursor ;)
[09:33] <crimsun> ;)
[09:33] <dholbach> gratulations!
[09:34] <Treenaks> ogra: you're the movieos-man, remember
[09:34] <dholbach> haha! :-)
[09:34] <herve> yeah, a two month episode coming to an end!
[09:34] <ogra> Treenaks, on my way, on my way :)
[09:34] <Nafallo> herve: congrats :-)
[09:37] <herve> well, thanks all
[09:37] <herve> I must assume seeing my name in the list makes me very proud
[09:37] <dholbach> you really should be
[09:38] <Lathiat> pbuilder rocks
[09:38] <dholbach> :-)
[09:40] <ivoks> dholbach don't review my wifi-radar :)
[09:40] <ivoks> i found a bug in program
[09:41] <herve> where are the unit tests!
[09:41] <herve> :-)
[09:42] <seb128> herve: dia has built now :)
[09:43] <seb128> herzi: speaking about gcursor, any plan to get if for GNOME 2.12?
[09:43] <dholbach> ivoks: ok :-)
[09:44] <ivoks> dholbach i'll upload in few minutes new version :)
[09:45] <dholbach> take your time
[09:45] <dholbach> i think i'm going to bed soon tonight
[09:45] <ivoks> ok :)
[09:48] <jabra> dholbach: well you can review getwifi or anything I have packaged
[09:49] <ivoks> ok, fixed
[09:49] <dholbach> jabra: <dholbach> i think i'm going to bed soon tonight
[09:49] <jabra> dholbach: ok cool
[09:50] <Lathiat> sweet, got bzflag sorted.
[09:50] <tritium> sleep tight, dholbach
[09:50] <jabra> I could probably update a new version before you review it
[09:50] <Lathiat> now i can go huntign for other things :)
[09:50] <\sh> server is running again..goo'old'redhat'7.2
[09:50] <Lathiat> kill it kill it :)
[09:51] <\sh> Lathiat: well...there is an replacement server running gentoo :)
[09:51] <Lathiat> time for the nuclear warheads
[09:51] <\sh> but when my buddies have the money for a quad opteron, ubuntu should be ready to run mass virthosting servers and gameservers on it :)
[09:53] <Lathiat> is anything listed in people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ something thats needs merging or is it just everything thats ever ended up there and is there a list somewhere?
[09:53] <herve> seb128, you have an idea for the verbiste bug?
[09:53] <seb128> herve: I've made a patch even, that's why it's assigned to me
[09:53] <seb128> I just need to upload
[09:54] <herve> haven't check the report
[09:54] <herve> just sear^Wbrowsing the bugs :-)
[09:55] <dholbach> good night everyone
[09:55] <Lathiat> night dholbach, thanks for the help
[09:55] <tritium> night dholbach
[09:55] <dholbach> Lathiat: de rien
[09:55] <Lathiat> de rien?
[09:55] <|QuaD-_> ogra: forwhatever reason, beagle is only indexing my liferea blogs
[09:55] <dholbach> you're welcome
[09:55] <Nafallo> Lathiat: french :-)
[09:56] <Lathiat> right
[09:56] <Lathiat> thanks
[09:56] <ogra> |QuaD-_, it should also use your blam blogs if available
[09:56] <herve> french will save your souls :-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:57] <|QuaD-_> ogra: i don't have that installed, but it isn't indexing files
[09:57] <ogra> hmm
[09:57] <Nafallo> I'll be multi-language anyway.
[09:57] <ogra> no idea atm. i'm into some deeper mono probs today....
[09:58] <|QuaD-_> ogra: np, talking to the people in #dashboard
[09:58] <ogra> ok
[09:58] <Burgundavia> seb128, does sabayon require sudo?
[09:58] <seb128> yep
[09:58] <Nafallo> Taking classes in swedish, english and french. and have start talking with tfheen, in our own languages :-).
[09:58] <seb128> to create profiles
[09:58] <Lathiat> haha
[09:58] <Burgundavia> seb128, .desktop doesn't have gksudo in it
[09:58] <tseng|work> whats up
[09:58] <ogra> |QuaD-_, if in doubt for a bug, remember that mono itself is currently broken for us, so it might be more then the app
[09:59] <seb128> Burgundavia: thanks, I'll fix than and the category
[09:59] <|QuaD-_> ogra: ok
[09:59] <\sh> ogra: whats the magic behind beagle?
[10:00] <ogra> \sh, you search something and it magically finds it for you ;)
[10:00] <\sh> ogra: no possibility to convert it to python?
[10:00] <Nafallo> ogra: what's the diffrence with locate then? ;-)
[10:00] <\sh> .oO(or google?)
[10:01] <ogra> Nafallo, beagle searches content....
[10:01] <ogra> Nafallo, locate only files
[10:01] <Nafallo> ogra: ahh, that's right :-).
[10:01] <\sh> find . -type f -exec grep $1 {} \; ,-)
[10:02] <herve> yes
[10:02] <Lathiat> Nafallo: Hab SoSlI' Quch! ;)
[10:02] <herve> but locate also finds files from other users
[10:03] <Nafallo> Lathiat: pardon? :-P
[10:03] <herve> "locate sex" was a few times verbose at school :-)
[10:03] <ogra> \sh, do you get a response with that in less then 0,3 sec ? does it index your mails, jabber conversations, websites, blogs and rss feeds....M$ docs.......
[10:03] <Nafallo> *phone*
[10:03] <ogra> ...movies, music....
[10:03] <Lathiat> Nafallo: "Your mother has a smooth forehead!" :)
[10:03] <Lathiat> klingon insult
[10:04] <\sh> ogra: well..no :)
[10:05] <\sh> ogra: but it's quite difficult :) serendipity has a nice search function, cyrus imapd spools i can get via grep, websites via google and rss via akregator ;)
[10:05] <\sh> jabber conversations i normally don't log, and if i need a log I would use MUC protocol with web ready logfiles server based :)
[10:05] <ogra> \sh, sure, but then you dont have the hype....
[10:06] <\sh> true
[10:06] <\sh> apt-get install beagle
[10:06] <Nafallo> Lathiat: lol
[10:06] <\sh> not found :(
[10:07] <Lathiat> Nafallo: :)
[10:07] <\sh> is malone working again?
[10:07] <Nafallo> yay!
[10:07] <ogra> \sh, sudo apt-get build-dep beagle && sudo apt-get source -b beagle
[10:07] <Nafallo> I run breezy.
[10:08] <Nafallo> I can actually install those things :-)
[10:08] <tseng|work> beagle rocks your face
[10:08] <ogra> \sh, oh, and while you have it on the disk, fix mono ;-P
[10:08] <Nafallo> ehm...
[10:08] <tritium> tseng|work, does it make your face look stoned?  ;)
[10:08] <\sh> ogra: breezy only :) I'm running hoary :) and I had some nice pitfalls running dchroot breezy and some X apps
[10:08] <Nafallo> there is no beagle :-P
[10:09] <Lathiat> beagle does rock
[10:09] <ogra> \sh, indeed breezy
[10:09] <Lathiat> i just need inotify
[10:09] <Lathiat> to make it rock harder
[10:09] <ogra> Lathiat, breezy has it
[10:09] <Lathiat> has 2.6.12 for x86 gone into the archives yet?
[10:09] <Lathiat> on the 2.6.10 kernel, the version of inotify does bad things on my machine
[10:09] <Lathiat> the new one in 2.6.12 works fine
[10:10] <Lathiat> just waiting for it to go in so i can get a headers package, rather than the image i tried from one of the kernel guys
[10:10] <\sh> a system error occured
[10:10] <Lathiat> wooo
[10:10] <Lathiat> 2.6.12 on x86 love
[10:11] <\sh> who was opi? has he hands on the jabber stuff
[10:15] <\sh> hmmm...i was thinking about this ops problem in #ubuntu
[10:16] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:16] <Nafallo> I still can't find beagle :-P
[10:17] <Amaranth> 2.6.12 on x86 with beagle rocks
[10:17] <Amaranth> i searched for 'amazonia' and got no results then did a search on google for it
[10:17] <Amaranth> showed up in the list instantly
[10:18] <\sh> http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
[10:18] <Amaranth> \sh: You'll be waiting a couple months on that.
[10:18] <Burgundavia> \sh, the ops problem is going to be solved
[10:19] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:19] <Lathiat> alot mroe ops were just added
[10:19] <Amaranth> <--
[10:19] <Amaranth> :)
[10:19] <Burgundavia> when is the CC meeting?
[10:19] <herve> yesterday :-p
[10:19] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: like 4 hours ago :)
[10:19] <Amaranth> I registered myself as a group contact for PyMusique 2 months ago, still haven't heard anything.
[10:19] <Burgundavia> gah
[10:19] <\sh> hehe
[10:20] <Burgundavia> damn timezone thing
[10:20] <\sh> Amaranth: well..I was thinking about more, hmmm, how can I say
[10:20] <Lathiat> yay i can put my package in for review now
[10:20] <\sh> sponsoring a server, act as a group contact + technical liason
[10:21] <\sh> ogra: btw...I have now responsibility about 32 servers, and will get constantly paid for it :)
[10:22] <ogra> \sh, yay, sounds great.... dont tell your exwife ;)
[10:23] <\sh> ogra: no...:)
[10:23] <\sh> ogra: it will go on another account :)
[10:28] <\sh> hmmmm
[10:28] <\sh> just talking on #ubuntu-de about rootservers and ubuntu :)
[10:29] <\sh> and I have an idea...lemme check if this is working ;)
[10:30] <Nafallo> ogra: am I supposed to find the package "beagle" on my amd64?
[10:31] <ogra> Nafallo, a source package...
[10:31] <Amaranth> Nafallo: it only built on ppc and 386
[10:31] <Amaranth> what's the deal with amd64 anyway?
[10:32] <Lathiat> we hate it
[10:32] <Amaranth> the dh_clilib problem?
[10:32] <ogra> Lathiat,  !!!
[10:32] <Nafallo> that explain things :-)
[10:32] <ogra> Amaranth, its deeper dowen
[10:32] <Lathiat> ogra: ;p
[10:32] <ogra> Amaranth, its  problem with mono itself
[10:33] <bddebian> dowen? :-)
[10:33] <Lathiat> so miguel lied to me at brainshare. :)
[10:34] <Lathiat> actually i guess they only showed powerpc
[10:34] <Lathiat> im sure they mentioned something tho. :)
[10:37] <\sh> so..my back needs some rest....cu tomorrow gentlemen...and thx again for your support today
[10:38] <Lathiat> cya
[10:47] <ogra> night \sh
[10:50] <ajmitch_> hi all :)
[10:51] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[10:56] <ajmitch_> quiet day in here today
[10:56] <ajmitch_> I see the MOTU meeting is going to be at an awkward time again
[10:56] <Nafallo> yay for 2.6.12! :-)
[10:56] <Nafallo> bringed my wireless drivers in and all :-)
[10:57] <ajmitch_> ok
[11:05] <|QuaD-_> ogra: mine is crashing now too :)
[11:05] <ogra> |QuaD-_, we'll fix it :)
[11:06] <ajmitch_> ogra: at least it's not just amd64 :)
[11:06] <|QuaD-_> ogra: hehe :) not too worried
[11:06] <|QuaD-_> it did index some stuff for me to play with
[11:10] <herve> strange
[11:10] <herve> larabie only compiled for i386
[11:10] <herve> it's a arch indep package
[11:11] <ajmitch_> herve: as expected
[11:11] <ajmitch_> you don't need to compile it multiple times when the same deb will be built :)
[11:13] <herve> hmm
[11:13] <herve> I guess the archs all and any are not clear enough for me
[11:13] <ajmitch_> at least one buildd has to build an arch: all package
[11:13] <ajmitch_> after that is built, the others don't need to try
[11:14] <ajmitch_> arch: any means build an arch-specific deb on each buildd
[11:14] <herve> sounds better that way
[11:15] <herve> ajmitch_, I could give you shirt ironing lessons to thank you
[11:15] <herve> I've ironed like 20 shirts
[11:15] <herve> and getting good at it!
[11:16] <ajmitch_> haha
[11:17] <tseng> ozamosi: ?
[11:19] <ozamosi> yes?
[11:20] <ozamosi> Dunno if you noted, but beagle doesnt depend on mono. (i think that was you)
[11:21] <tseng> we're working on depends problems
[11:21] <ajmitch_> yes, the cli-common scripts & mono are having a few issues at the moment
[11:22] <ozamosi> i thought so.
[11:29] <ogra> ajmitch_, sadly its the cli-common scripts :-/
[11:29] <ajmitch_> ogra: I thought it was the missing monodis?
[11:30] <ogra> err, sorry
[11:30] <ajmitch_> and the script not failing gracefully when monodis is broken
[11:30] <ogra> s/its/its not/
[11:30] <ogra> monodis isnt even there
[11:30] <ogra> thats the prob...
[11:30] <ajmitch_> part of my morning duties is to read the scrollback on irc channels ;)
[11:30] <ogra> heh, i do that too :)
[11:31] <Nafallo> xine hates me
[11:31] <ajmitch_> MOTU meeting will be pain
[11:31] <ajmitch_> 5AM on a friday morning for me ;)
[11:31] <ogra> hmm, we should have a voting system for that
[11:32] <ajmitch_> it's hard to find a good time for everyone though
[11:32] <ajmitch_> and I'm the only person in this timezone
[11:32] <ogra> yep, but we should rotate a bit, i guess we also have people from .au
[11:32] <ajmitch_> at the moment, not many
[11:33] <ogra> lets put it on the wiki page as a topic...
[11:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat is from the other side of .au :)
[11:33] <ogra> nearer to your TZ then dholbach or me
[11:34] <ajmitch_> yep
[11:34] <ajmitch_> but still about 4-5 hours different
[11:36] <tseng> hi
[11:36] <Nafallo> hi tseng :-)
[11:36] <ogra> hey
[11:37] <ajmitch_> hi tseng
[11:47] <herve> hi
[11:47] <herve> I mean
[11:47] <herve> bye!
[11:48] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:56] <Nafallo> gaah, I hate difficult decisions :-P
[11:57] <Nafallo> throw away porn, or warty :-/
[11:57] <ajmitch_> throw away the porn
[11:58] <Nafallo> hmm, missed one. burn all the charmed seasons ;-)
[11:58] <herzi> (21:46:45) seb128: herzi: speaking about gcursor, any plan to get if for GNOME 2.12?
[11:59] <herzi> seb128: no, i want to file some bugs on gtk+ and x.org before this
[11:59] <seb128> k
[11:59] <herzi> i don't see a reason to add it, as long as we cannot either instantly apply the theme or apply it within the next session
[11:59] <herzi> the current behaviour is just plain broken IMO
[12:00] <ajmitch_> ah, seb128 is here.. do you know if gedit-dev is really main or universe?
[12:00] <ajmitch_> it has a bug :)