[12:00] <segin> sobersabre: what's your arch? Ia32?
[12:00] <pvh> segin: is it stupid or ignorant?
[12:00] <sobersabre> s/glsas/glass
[12:00] <segin> pvh: ill bet on both.
[12:00] <sobersabre> segin, i have many.
[12:00] <sobersabre> ;
[12:00] <segin> Does anyone here know anything what-so-ever about Ubuntu PowerPC?
[12:00] <sobersabre> segin, why do you ask ?
[12:01] <sobersabre> segin, what is the question ... ?
[12:01] <segin> what is the minimum required class of PPC CPU?
[12:01] <sobersabre> new world
[12:01] <metalsand`school> What's a PPC CPU?
[12:01] <sobersabre> segin, ubuntu is on 2.6
[12:02] <segin> i have a 603e and the install disk freezes every time
[12:02] <sobersabre> heh
[12:02] <segin> metalsand`school: PowerPC CPU
[12:02] <sobersabre> you should go for docs
[12:02] <metalsand`school> What exactly is that?
[12:02] <segin> metalsand`school: like a pentium, but completely diffrent :)
[12:02] <sobersabre> metalsand`school, it is ibm's cpu, "power PC"
[12:02] <metalsand`school> Hrmmm, how old of technology is that?
[12:02] <sobersabre> apple use them on macintosh computers
[12:02] <sobersabre> metalsand`school, it is the newest technology, actually
[12:03] <metalsand`school> I didn't know it was possible to run Linux on a mac
[12:03] <segin> sobersabre: no, it freezes without making any visual outpu what-so-ever. the BIOS cursor and checkerboard pattern are still showing
[12:03] <ivoks> metalsand lol :)
[12:03] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: it is a cpu made by pegaous ibm or motorola
[12:03] <ivoks> metalsand linux and freebsd can run on almost all platforms
[12:04] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: it is superior to all
[12:04] <metalsand> ivoks: Whant to take another crack at it? :D
[12:04] <JairunCaloth> how do I stop the x-windows and get to a prompt. I need to install my video drivers
[12:04] <ivoks> WHAT?! PowerPC?!
[12:04] <sobersabre> hybrid_goth, it is ibm's technology...
[12:04] <segin> ivoks: does PPC linux needf a G3?
[12:04] <ivoks> metalsand no thanks... i don't know with hostap
[12:04] <metalsand> lol
[12:04] <metalsand> k.
[12:04] <ivoks> ?
[12:04] <hybrid_goth> sobersabre: yea but there is other ppc
[12:05] <sobersabre> yes, as core ... even in fpga
[12:05] <metalsand> Wait, so Apple doesn't make their own CPUs?
[12:05] <sobersabre> by xilinx
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: ppc is superior
[12:05] <sobersabre> anyway.
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: no
[12:05] <sobersabre> i must go.
[12:05] <sobersabre> cheers
[12:05] <metalsand> Cheers
[12:05] <segin> hybrid_goth: The PowerPC CPU was made by the AIM alliance, Apple, IBM, and Motorola. this fact is evident as originally the PowerPC logo was copyrighted by Motorola.
[12:05] <metalsand> I like that
[12:05] <ivoks> hybrid_goth to PC yes, but isn't best technology
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: dont tell me sparc is better
[12:05] <ivoks> segin motorola isn't working on ppc any more
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> segin: what about the P one
[12:06] <ivoks> hybrid_goth alpha
[12:06] <segin> hybrid_goth: All older PPC chips have a motorola logo on them... can't say bout the newer ones
[12:06] <metalsand> Hrmm. I don't think the processing power of a top of the line G5 could compete with the top of line PC.
[12:06] <segin> ivoks: no shit. write me up a memo and file it under "shit i alerady know"
[12:06] <ivoks> metalsand ?!
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> segin: yea there was a ppc but not apple
[12:06] <metalsand> And there's absolutely NO chance it could compete memory bandwidth or graphically.
[12:06] <ivoks> metalsand G5 is faster
[12:06] <T5> its completely useless discussing this, i386 has won... thats it at least in absolute numbers
[12:07] <k31th> humm i might ditch my gentoo install on my laptop and ubuntu it
[12:07] <k31th> 'maybe'
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> correct me if i am wrong but didnt ibm make the first dual core cpu
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> and it was ppc
[12:07] <segin> hybrid_goth: Apple still had a hand in it's design. Or are you stating that wikipedia is wrong?
[12:07] <metalsand> i368 = ?
[12:07] <segin> metalsand: i386 = intel
[12:07] <metalsand> Which model
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> segin: yea it maybe b/c i believe there is still like an old world mac company but doesnt use mac os
[12:08] <ivoks> heh, even microsoft uses PPC for development of XBOX games...
[12:08] <wasabi_> anybody used ndb-client?
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: xbox 360 uses ppc
[12:09] <metalsand> Wow
[12:09] <ivoks> well... there u go :)
[12:09] <metalsand> How the hell is Microsoft supporting a primary used product by Apple
[12:09] <trondd> Hi! Today I installed ubuntu on two machines my self and persuaded two friends to try it on their laptop... Thats how impressed I am with it. Thanks to everyone who contribute to it!
[12:09] <ivoks> trondd spread the word
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: m$ uses linux
[12:10] <sint> hey, i've planed to install ubuntu for a friend. does ubuntu have a package system?
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> and now supports it
[12:10] <petemc> metalsand: powerpc is ibm
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> wint: apt
[12:10] <ivoks> sint yes
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> Sint: apt
[12:10] <metalsand> I guess, petemc, but they're all used by Apple.
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: IBM loves Linux
[12:10] <ivoks> PC was crap and IBM give it to everyone
[12:11] <ivoks> so was QDOS
[12:11] <holycow> ivoks, accidentally tho, they didn't mean to commoditize it and loose control over it
[12:11] <ivoks> and Microsoft buyed it
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> when ibm gets back into pc business i hope it is ppc w/linux
[12:11] <sint> ivoks: is there a way to get packages without installing it, so i have them there at my friends home
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: QDOS isnt that what m$ stole for dos
[12:11] <Burgundavia> anybody have experience with wacom tablets?
[12:11] <ivoks> sint ?
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> or "bought out"
[12:11] <metalsand> Yeah, why the heck did IBM sell their PC business?
[12:12] <segin> hybrid_goth: i have a ppc i want to put linux on, but it's an old ppc chip (1 with motorola logo instead of IBM)
[12:12] <ivoks> hybrid_goth they didn't stole, they buyed it
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> segin: g4? or old world
[12:12] <ivoks> segin u should get mk86 sarge
[12:12] <metalsand> Since I'm a poor High School student I had to go with a Dell Laptop (which I love), but I know IBM makes better products. Down the line it would awesome to purchase a brand new technolgy IBM laptop running off Linux
[12:12] <segin> hybrid_goth: old world, i guess... it's a 603e @ 100Mhz
[12:12] <sint> i'm currently downloading the 2 cd's but i wanna have some more software then just kde and stuff. my frief haven't got internet there
[12:12] <ivoks> hybrid_goth G3 was ibm
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> segin: then i sugesst gentoo or debian| ubuntu doesnt currently use old world
[12:12] <lotusleaf> only 22 hours left in my ubuntu download.. woo!
[12:13] <sint> firef -> friend
[12:13] <ivoks> sint ubuntu has over 16000 packages
[12:13] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i kno i am on one and the g3 IBM is faster then g4 motorola
[12:13] <ivoks> sint i'm sure you will find everything you need :)
[12:13] <metalsand> Dio the same developers that work on Ubuntu work on Kubuntu?
[12:13] <sint> ivoks: k, thats something i understand :)
[12:13] <metalsand> Or is Kubuntu a sperate entity
[12:13] <hybrid_goth> seperate i believe
[12:13] <sint> ivoks: but i have to have internet to get packages??
[12:13] <hybrid_goth> yes
[12:13] <ivoks> sint ?
[12:14] <segin> hybrid_goth: god does that suck. all my blank disk are CD-RW and my mac's drive wont read CD-RW
[12:14] <Mabus> I need help with reinstalling GRUB from a livecd to a hoary system, anyone up for it ?
[12:14] <ivoks> sint well, they won't just apear :)
[12:14] <sint> ivoks: my friend doesn't have internet
[12:14] <ivoks> sint you can download packages, burn them on CD
[12:14] <ivoks> sint and copy them to hard disk
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> unless segin: ouch
[12:14] <segin> hybrid_goth: so there isn't anything i can do, like bootstrap it from MacOS?
[12:14] <sint> ivoks: thats what i wanna hear :D
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> segin: use debian netinstall
[12:15] <segin> hybrid_goth: 1 problem: requires net
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> segin: no 'net? connect it once
[12:15] <lotusleaf> To hell with the cowards who say "I have a 56k modem, I can't download ubuntu!" Well fuck them, I have 56k and I'm downloading Ubuntu, 22 hours remain on my download. Hard core! East side! West Side! Awww yeah
[12:15] <ivoks> sint just copy all *.deb to /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:15] <ivoks> sint and don't delete them
[12:15] <Fac51> how can i change MACHTYPE from i386-pc-linuc-gnu... to whatever?
[12:15] <Fac51> linux*
[12:15] <segin> hybrid_goth: i have no ethernet card on my mac... they are virtually non-existent
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: heheheheh
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> segin: ah
[12:15] <ivoks> segin you are doomed :)
[12:16] <metalsand> I think it took me about 35 minutes on my 6MB cable connection
[12:16] <segin> hybrid_goth and i don't know how to make my lintel box into a SLIP server
[12:16] <metalsand> I also have the 3 GB DVD iso
[12:16] <thom_> Hi everyone i need a little bit of help
[12:16] <sint> ivoks: ok, where can i find them?
[12:16] <metalsand> What's bitchx?
[12:17] <thom_> I just installed Ubuntu but.. i dint had to insert a root pasword.. but now i cant become su plzz help me
[12:17] <segin> metalsand: IRC client
[12:17] <sint> ivoks: i mean, where to download the packages. haven't found them on the website
[12:17] <hyphenated> thom_: use sudo
[12:17] <Fackamato> Anyone using Firefox 1.03 and having issues with Macromedia's Flash ?
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: cli irc client
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> it sux
[12:17] <dataw0lf|w> metalsand: irc client, amongst other things.
[12:17] <goldfish_> irssi is better
[12:17] <Mabus> thom_: read the topic
[12:17] <ivoks> sint on ur mirror... example:
[12:17] <dataw0lf|w> metalsand: and most people who don't know what they're doing will tell you that it sucks.
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> yup
[12:17] <thom_> hyphenated, Ofcourse :( sighgggg
[12:17] <metalsand> I tried IRSSI
[12:17] <sint> k
[12:17] <metalsand> but it's hard to manage windows
[12:17] <sint> i will check out the mirrors
[12:17] <hyphenated> thom_: you can set a root password if you want, but there's no pressing need for it
[12:18] <hyphenated> thom_: it just sustains old habits :-)
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lflw: irssi pwns bitchx
[12:18] <metalsand> I'm just not familar enough to code stuff that would show when someone's querying me, and stuff
[12:18] <ivoks> sint http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[12:18] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: I'm sure.  Nice tab completion btw.
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:18] <metalsand> is there anyway to change the font/text in terminal?
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: yes
[12:18] <ivoks> sint you should download all debs there
[12:18] <metalsand> How?
[12:19] <Octron> Gnome.... you know I've never tried gnome and it's really not that bad is it
[12:19] <ivoks> sint watch out... there are GB and GB of files :)
[12:19] <Fator_Dee> edit -> profile / current profile -> general
[12:19] <thom_> hyphenated, But thats the problem.. i dont have sudo rights 2
[12:19] <amaro> it seems gentoo is here because people like to see text scroll over the screen 24/7
[12:19] <sint> all debs ;)
[12:19] <metalsand> What are the largest files on the reposotries?
[12:19] <amaro> is that right?
[12:19] <lotusleaf> I defecated on my windows CDs
[12:19] <Ranok> lol
[12:19] <hyphenated> thom_: are you sure?
[12:19] <metalsand> amaro: that may be bad :P
[12:19] <ivoks> sint you can do that easily with wget
[12:19] <Ranok> ummmm, I have a question
[12:20] <metalsand> Could always be text scrolling because people are always having problems with Ubuntu
[12:20] <Ranok> what are the minimun sys reqs for ubuntu
[12:20] <metalsand> Gentoo does have 2x the amount of people in the channel, you'd think it'd at least be equal in activity to Ubuntu
[12:20] <thom_> hyphenated, I have it already.. sorry its half past 12 at night and i dint have slept last night so im a bit dumb
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[12:20] <hyphenated> thom_: when you installed it, you created a user, right? that user should have sudo privileges. when you try to do (for example) 'sudo /bin/bash' it'll ask for your password
[12:20] <amaro> metalsand, when I have two or three monitors on my desk.. I'll think about getting gentoo.. hehehe... I don't want to waste a monitor doing nothing
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> 21 seeds and i am the only leecher
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> wo0t wo0t
[12:20] <thom_> i know ;)
[12:20] <Ranok> lol whatcha getting?
[12:21] <thom_> hyphenated, i know.. i knew but i forgot :P
[12:21] <Ranok> ^^ hybrid
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> Ranok: c bible
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> and c++
[12:21] <Fackamato> shit
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> :D
[12:21] <Ranok> ok
[12:21] <ivoks> sint wget -r -A deb http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[12:21] <Fackamato> I've 256mb ram and 311mb used swapspace
[12:21] <thom_> hyphenated, Thankz for the help
[12:22] <metalsand> Someone should make a DVD iso with the 5 most popular Linux distros running Live CDs
[12:22] <metalsand> That'd be awesome
[12:22] <wdh> Fackamato, what does shit have to do with memory?
[12:22] <sint> ivoks: thanks
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:22] <Fackamato> wdh: ?
[12:22] <Ranok> what are the min sys reqs for ubuntu?
[12:23] <Fackamato> 256mb ram, 800mhz
[12:23] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: a dvd with 5 ddistros better be dual disc and it would be ubuntu gentoo mandravia suse fedora
[12:23] <Fackamato> something like that
[12:23] <Fackamato> and ~2gb ;P
[12:23] <metalsand> Nah
[12:23] <lotusleaf> someone should make a DVD with a floppy distro on it as a LiveCd and nothing else, just to waste the DVD space. Give it a cool name, hype it, etc. only to piss ppl off
[12:23] <metalsand> They fit live boots on CDs
[12:23] <metalsand> CD = 700 megs
[12:23] <metalsand> 5x700 = 3500 megs, that can easily fit on a DVD
[12:23] <sint> ivoks: i've seen some tar.gz files there. does ubuntu support to compile packages with the package manager?
[12:23] <hybrid_goth> Ranok: like 350 mb for mini and 128 ram
[12:23] <amaro> How much can a DVD store?
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> 4 gb
[12:24] <ivoks> sint ?
[12:24] <goldfish_> 4.7gb
[12:24] <metalsand> 4.7 GB, yes.
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> what can dual layer store
[12:24] <metalsand> I have a dual layer burner, too.
[12:24] <amaro>  4.7 GIGS!
[12:24] <amaro> wow
[12:24] <Fator_Dee> twice that
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> wow
[12:24] <sint> ivoks: http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0-pre6.orig.tar.gz
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> 9.4 gigs
[12:24] <sint> as an example
[12:24] <amaro> damn, I need to buy myself a DVD burner.. I can easily backup my most important files on a DVD
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> but dl-dvds are quite pricey
[12:25] <lotusleaf> festival> (SayText"I like to poop in my hand and say what a beautiful creature")
[12:25] <metalsand> I think it'd be REALLY awesome if someone made a Dual Layer DVD iso with the five most popular Linux distros (Live Boot + Install)
[12:25] <sint> ivoks: anyway, i won't comile anything
[12:25] <metalsand> Yeah
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> i wornder if there is an external dvd dual layer burner
[12:25] <metalsand> Dual Layer DVDs are like 8 bucks
[12:25] <goldfish_> metalsand: go organize it.
[12:25] <sint> ivoks: i was just wondering about this files
[12:25] <amaro> How much does a DVD Burner cost?
[12:25] <metalsand> goldfish_: I've been using Linux for about a week
[12:25] <metalsand> lol
[12:25] <metalsand> Or else I would
[12:25] <ivoks> sint you can do whatever you want
[12:25] <goldfish_> :)
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: that's quite much
[12:25] <metalsand> Exactly, Fator_Dee
[12:25] <Ranok> what about tri-boot
[12:26] <hybrid_goth> brb
[12:26] <Ranok> I have win xp, gentoo, and ubuntu?
[12:26] <metalsand> I kinda' want to play with Gentoo
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> I buy my dvds from germany, 100 dvd+r for a ~50 euros, that's a good bargain on my opinion
[12:26] <metalsand> Since it's so popular
[12:26] <amaro> Fator_Dee, why do you need 100 DVD-Rs?
[12:26] <metalsand> Seems like a rip, Fator
[12:26] <Ranok> you have to compile the kernel with system flags and support for all your hardware and drivers
[12:26] <metalsand> I pay on average like 38 american cents for one DVD
[12:26] <Ranok> no fun
[12:26] <Ranok> no greenies
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: hell off a lot cheaper than buing from here in finland
[12:27] <wdh> Fator_Dee, thats not double layer though
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> and actually, I don't even remember the price correctly
[12:27] <sint> ivoks: ok, i will try to install. thanks for your help :)
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> wdh: nope, and I didn't say so
[12:27] <metalsand> I just got my laptop case
[12:27] <metalsand> I love it
[12:27] <metalsand> Shinza Zeroshock
[12:27] <amaro> Is there a way to install Windows fonts on Ubuntu?
[12:27] <wdh> Fator_Dee, true :P
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: you live in america, I live in europe :-\
[12:27] <ivoks> :)
[12:28] <metalsand> I know, Fator. What can I say, I live a good life. :P
[12:28] <darkaudit> amaro: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[12:28] <Fator_Dee> (or at least I got that kind of image)
[12:28] <amaro> I don't think they include FixedSys font
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> but hey, in here they are like 10dvds for ~10-20 euros, so I'll continue to buy my discs from germany :-p
[12:29] <darkaudit> hmm... wonder if mame32 would work on the XP box with the roms on this one...
[12:30] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: and I'm happy with my life in here :-)
[12:30] <metalsand> I'm sure you are. :)
[12:30] <metalsand> I hear good things about Finland all the time. :)
[12:31] <Fator_Dee> I'd be totally lost in america, where's the sauna, where's all to foods I'm used to :-p
[12:31] <Fator_Dee> *to = the
[12:33] <Ranok> exaclty
[12:33] <ivoks> i wouln'd go to USA, too
[12:33] <ivoks> man, don't like that country
[12:33] <metalsand> lol
[12:33] <metalsand> You wouldn't come to America because there's no saunas?
[12:33] <ivoks> me?
[12:34] <ivoks> no... because u don't eat food, but... well...
[12:34] <ivoks> you like GMO, we don'
[12:34] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: if I couldn't go to sauna if I moved to America, I wouldn't move :-(
[12:34] <metalsand> I live in Laguna Beach - 2nd highest property taxes in the U.S., the resteraunts in town provide ALL types of food, and are pretty much famous for being some of the most amazing food in the U.S.
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> back
[12:34] <ivoks> you don't have health ensurance :)
[12:34] <metalsand> Strange, Fator.
[12:34] <g0dot> is there a way to disable the "minimize window" effect under ubuntu/gnome?
[12:34] <metalsand> But there's plenty of Saunas everywhere.
[12:35] <ivoks> metalsand that food is GMO
[12:35] <metalsand> My college has a few Saunas :)
[12:35] <metalsand> GMO?
[12:35] <ivoks> you don't even know what GMO is
[12:35] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: well, I've been going to saunas since I was a baby, maybe that's got something to do with it :-)
[12:35] <metalsand> No, I don't ivoks.
[12:35] <ivoks> Fator_Dee greetings to raikonen :)
[12:35] <darkling> GMO == Genetically Modified Organisms
[12:36] <Fator_Dee> ivoks: :-)
[12:36] <metalsand> ivoks: My friend and his family from croatia that I told you about love the food here.
[12:36] <ivoks> metalsand well... they are freaks
[12:37] <metalsand> Your knowledge of the U.S. is biased ;)
[12:37] <ivoks> metalsand GMO means that you eat tomato with rat's gens
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> freaks rule
[12:38] <metalsand> That's just silly ;)
[12:38] <ivoks> metalsand :) no, i know you don't have prsut (prscutio), natural tomatos and natural food
[12:38] <ivoks> metalsand it would't be great if I'm only imagine
[12:38] <metalsand> Apparently not, ivoks. ;)
[12:38] <ivoks> metalsand but, I don't
[12:39] <ivoks> metalsand USA is only contry in world that propageds GMO food
[12:39] <ivoks> metalsand that's beacuse you don't have natural resources to feed all those people
[12:39] <metalsand> Not every crop is "GMO", in fact I'm sure a very small portion are.
[12:39] <ivoks> metalsand and food has to be engeeinerd
[12:40] <ivoks> metalsand i think that more than 50% is
[12:40] <ivoks> metalsand i would have to check for detailed percentage
[12:40] <metalsand> Doubtful, and I'm sure none of that stuff is acceptable in Laguna Beach.
[12:41] <ivoks> well.. time for bed
[12:41] <hybrid_goth> g'nite
[12:41] <metalsand> G'night, ivoks
[12:41] <ivoks> bye all
[12:42] <JairunCaloth> I guess I need to install my moniter drivers to be able to set my refresh rate higher?
[12:42] <srichter> hello everyone
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> hi
[12:42] <srichter> I am totally new to Debian and Ubuntu
[12:43] <srichter> I am looking for the setup program for the network
[12:43] <srichter> it detected the network during setup, but now it will not work anymore
[12:43] <JanC> JairunCaloth : no, just set is higher  :)
[12:44] <JairunCaloth> it won't let me set it higher
[12:44] <JairunCaloth> it's locked at like 60
[12:44] <JanC> not in the GUI
[12:44] <JanC> hm
[12:45] <chase> does anyone know where i can get a copy of the mp4v2 librarys?
[12:45] <chase> i need them to copy m4p's to my iPod
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> whats an m4p
[12:46] <transgress> mp4 i do believe is what he means
[12:46] <chase> its an evil file used by iTunes
[12:46] <chase> transgress, well its right format but the extention is m4p
[12:47] <transgress> oh really?  umm that's grand
[12:47] <chase> if you buy music off iTunes its delived as an m4p,
[12:47] <JanC> JairunCaloth : try the following
[12:47] <JanC> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:47] <JanC> in a terminal window
[12:47] <chase> if you want your ipod to use audiobooks you get an m4b
[12:47] <transgress> that'll teach you to buy music
[12:47] <chase> ye i know :-(
[12:48] <JairunCaloth> should I let it auto detect?
[12:48] <transgress> i don't have to look for odd formats when i steal music
[12:48] <JanC> buy your music as mp3 or ogg vorbis or flac  :)
[12:48] <chase> but it worked fine when i had itunes but now i still need the librarys to use use the music i DID buy
[12:48] <chase> JanC, i dont know anywhere that sell mp3's
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> chase: use google for music type -inurl:.html -inurl:.shtml "index of" ogg/mp3 "song or artist"
[12:48] <Bazzi> chase +1 victim of apple.
[12:48] <chase> napster does wmvs
[12:49] <JanC> chase : there are many, just not from the major labels...
[12:49] <JairunCaloth> since I have an nvidia card, I should choose the nvidia x server driver?
[12:49] <chase> i can live with that
[12:49] <srichter> noone?
[12:50] <hybrid_goth> srichter: ?
[12:50] <chrissturm> is there a tool that logs harddisk activity? i would like to find out what app is causing it
[12:50] <srichter> hybrid_goth: I would like to know what program will configure my NIC card
[12:50] <JanC> bleep.com, mptunes, emusic, etc. all use mp3 or another open format
[12:50] <srichter> hybrid_goth: without having to do it by hand...
[12:50] <hybrid_goth> srichter: look in synaptic?
[12:51] <chase> JanC, cool i will look at them in future, but for now i still have the m4p problem :-(
[12:51] <srichter> hybrid_goth: I am using kubuntu
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> well kynaptic
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> ...
[12:51] <JanC> have you tried pymusique / MonoMusique ?
[12:51] <srichter> hybrid_goth: ok, I looked in kynaptic already
[12:51] <srichter> hybrid_goth: what am I looking for though? It is just for isntalling pacakges
[12:52] <JanC> it should be possible to buy music from iTMS with those apps
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> NIC card configure
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> and it may bring up a prog that does so but look in name and description
[12:53] <srichter> ok
[12:53] <hybrid_goth> JanC: are you saying there is a linux iTMS
[12:53] <srichter> hybrid_goth: nothing :-(
[12:53] <JanC> it's not 100% legal I guess
[12:53] <JanC> but it should work AFAIK
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> kool
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> srichter: ask google
[12:54] <srichter> I tried
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> ask yahoo
[12:54] <srichter> I found this unofficial tutorial
[12:54] <JanC> http://fuware.nanocrew.net/pymusique/
[12:54] <srichter> it refers to certain menu options
[12:54] <srichter> but never tells me the program I ahve to run in the first place
[12:54] <JairunCaloth> should I use the kernal framebuffer interface device?
[12:55] <JairunCaloth> or will turning it off be faster?
[12:55] <JanC> JairunCaloth : normally all the _defaults_ are okay
[12:56] <JanC> except for your refresh rate
[12:56] <JanC> because it wasn't detected correctly
[12:57] <JanC> IIRC framebuffer stuff is not the default
[12:58] <osity> does anyone have raid experiences?
[01:00] <bronson> Anyone know why Tomboy won't start for me?
[01:00] <computerguy867> does anyone know if GDC is being added to the repos
[01:00] <bronson> I launch it and it does nothing...  No notification area indicator, nothin'
[01:01] <bronson> stock hoary
[01:01] <bronson> computerguy867: someone on ubuntu-devel might know offhand...?
[01:01] <Rodrigo> wow
[01:02] <computerguy867> ok
[01:02] <computerguy867> ill ask, thanks
[01:03] <bronson> Yeah, tomboy on hoary appears totally wedged.
[01:03] <Rodrigo> theres a lot of people here 81
[01:03] <ajmitch_> bronson: try adding it as a panel applet?
[01:03] <darmou> I have been getting inputl/output errors on my xfs partition, I ran xfs_repair which seemed to fix the problem, but now I have the same problem again, should I try to reformat the disk?
[01:03] <LinuxJones> Rodrigo, there are 486 people here :)
[01:04] <Rodrigo> yup
[01:04] <Rodrigo> well 483
[01:04] <Rodrigo> darmou: send to hell the partition
[01:04] <Rodrigo> and work with raiserFS
[01:04] <Rodrigo> :D
[01:05] <Rodrigo> xfs is superb, but, at least for me, It gave ma a lot of trouble
[01:05] <bronson> ajmitch_: I don't see a "tomboy" thingie in the add applet dialog.
[01:05] <darmou> Mabey I should go back to ext3 then
[01:05] <bronson> I don't think it's Sticky Notes...?
[01:05] <darmou> I've heard problems with reiserfs
[01:05] <Rodrigo> nop
[01:05] <tritium> I've HAD problems with reiserfs - major filesystem corruption
[01:06] <Rodrigo> really?
[01:06] <Rodrigo> oh
[01:06] <tritium> oh yeah
[01:07] <Rodrigo> darmou, what you CAN do, it keep trying, format xfs, and use it again...
[01:07] <darmou> ok I'll try that thanks
[01:07] <Rodrigo> xfs its FASTER than raiserfs
[01:07] <Rodrigo> and WAY FASTER than ext3
[01:07] <bronson> Rodrigo: for large files.
[01:07] <Rodrigo> yes
[01:08] <Rodrigo> but what is a large file for xfs?
[01:08] <Rodrigo> 10-20 MB?
[01:08] <Rodrigo> more?
[01:09] <Rodrigo> (someone say that xfs can ONLY handle 2 GB files lol)
[01:09] <nevyn> heh
[01:09] <nevyn> Rodrigo: a large file for xfs is peta
[01:09] <Rodrigo> lol
[01:10] <nevyn> Rodrigo: certainly hundreds of gig.
[01:10] <Rodrigo> any way, its your choise
[01:11] <Rodrigo> I just hope that Ubuntu breezy have RaiserFS4
[01:11] <Rodrigo> If linspire is using it, why ubuntu cant? ;)
[01:12] <tritium> I'll never use it again, that's for sure
[01:12] <nubbe> can I do a read-only fsck on an active partition, and if so, how?
[01:13] <noddaba> i'm pretty sure this isn't possible, but wanted to be sure.  there isn't a way to attach an already running process to a new screen session, is there?
[01:13] <SaMRoX> Im trying so ssh a computer in lan and I get this error:
[01:13] <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ sudo ssh root@172.16.1.1
[01:13] <SaMRoX> root@172.16.1.1's password:
[01:13] <SaMRoX> Read from remote host 172.16.1.1: Connection reset by peer
[01:13] <SaMRoX> Connection to 172.16.1.1 closed.
[01:13] <SaMRoX> how do I able my ip in the host computer?
[01:13] <Rodrigo> Im not sure thats possible
[01:13] <Fackamato> Anyone using Firefox 1.03 and having issues with Macromedia's Flash ?
[01:14] <Rodrigo> Fackmato: I dont have sound in flash
[01:14] <Rodrigo> *ups Fackamato
[01:14] <Fackamato> I don't have flash at all embedded, just when I point the url directly towards the .swf
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> i have no flash or java
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> *ups u both
[01:15] <Rodrigo> but thats all my prob
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> i could have java but am too lazy to fix it
[01:16] <Rodrigo> sure I'll do something about it this weekend
[01:16] <Rodrigo> haha
[01:16] <Rodrigo> get the add on cds
[01:16] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I'm guess you didn't use java-package?
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> Rodrigo: are you on ppc?
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> tritium: does it run on ppc? where can i get it
[01:16] <Rodrigo> hybrid_goth:ppc?, sorry, newbie here
[01:17] <Rodrigo> speak in spanish haha
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> Rodrigo: it is a cpu aritecture in macs
[01:17] <Rodrigo> ah power pc
[01:17] <tritium> hybrid_goth, it's in multiverse, yes
[01:17] <Rodrigo> nop
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> tritium: apt-get install java-package
[01:17] <Rodrigo> hey!, who do I enable multiverse?
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> ?
[01:17] <tritium> hybrid_goth, yes
[01:17] <mindspore> ubuntuguide.org
[01:18] <Rodrigo> hehe
[01:18] <Rodrigo> ok
[01:18] <Rodrigo> got it
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> Rodrigo: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:18] <tritium> hybrid_goth, before you procees, apt-cache show java-package, and read about it
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> delete the #
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> ok ty tritium
[01:18] <tritium> you use it to build a .deb from Sun's installer
[01:18] <Rodrigo> mmmmm, then its all ready done
[01:18] <tritium> when you install it, it "just works"
[01:19] <mindspore> ...most of the time
[01:19] <tritium> mindspore, you had trouble with java-package?
[01:19] <whappd> There are a whole bunch of packages that Synaptic refuses to update for me, even with i run apt-get dist-upgrade -- any ideas?
[01:19] <mindspore> oh.. java, thought you meant .deb in general
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> tritium: so i d/l java-package then d/l sun's installer and then what
[01:20] <tritium> No, I meant the java installation that java-package builds
[01:20] <nubbe> no way to do a read-only fsck on the root partition?
[01:20] <rizla> hi...
[01:20] <tritium> hybrid_goth, Method 3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:20] <Rodrigo> nubbe: umount it
[01:20] <rizla> doees anybody have recived ths error:
[01:20] <rizla> Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:20] <rizla> E: Impossibile creare un lock sulla directory di lis
[01:20] <JanC> whappd : do you have non-ubuntu apt sources ?
[01:20] <Rodrigo> rizla use sudo
[01:21] <tritium> hybrid_goth, don't worry, it's easy.  read the docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package
[01:21] <whappd> JanC -- i added repositories, yes
[01:21] <rizla> i used sudo
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:21] <Rodrigo> no your not
[01:21] <tritium> rizla, don't use apt-get when synaptic is running
[01:21] <Rodrigo> thats the error when you dont use sudo
[01:21] <ells> tritium: mike, what is up
[01:21] <Rodrigo> mmm well that too
[01:21] <Rodrigo> :p
[01:21] <tritium> hey ells :)
[01:21] <rizla> i'm sure, i tried many times..
[01:21] <rizla> i used sudo..
[01:21] <ells> tritium: MIke, got a question
[01:21] <JanC> whappd : non-ubuntu sources are not supported, so they might cause problems...
[01:21] <tritium> ells, okay
[01:22] <rizla> and synaptic isn't running..
[01:22] <ells> tritium: what is this,   *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1416 ***
[01:22] <ells> *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i] .vob_id <= c_adt->nr_of_vobs ***
[01:22] <JanC> personally, I would remove them before doing an upgrade...
[01:23] <chrissturm> hmm, i entered a wrong password for an imap account in thunderbird, and now it says login failed, but doesnt ask me for the password again. what can i do about that?
[01:23] <tritium> ells, looks like a failure to read a dvd properly (number of vobs apparently not read correctly, or something)
[01:23] <ells> any idea of how to fix this
[01:24] <tritium> is it a dvd you made, or what kind of dvd?
[01:24] <ells> tritium: it is a dvd I am ripping
[01:24] <Rodrigo> hehe
[01:24] <ells> tritium: do you want to see the syntax I am using
[01:25] <tritium> ells, it only happens with this particular dvd?
[01:25] <ells> tritium: seems to be with the last two I am doing this too
[01:25] <ells> tritium: I think my syntax is wrong
[01:25] <Rodrigo> ok dudes, gotta go bye to all
[01:25] <tritium> ells, I know next to nothing about dvd ripping, but you can paste
[01:25] <ells> tritium: cool, tccat -d 0 -i /dev/dvd -t dvd -P 1 > ~/DVD_Temp/decryp.vob
[01:27] <tritium> ells, no idea
[01:27] <whappd> JanC thanks
[01:27] <synd> about how long til breezy will be stable?
[01:28] <ells> tritium: it says this, then copies the file
[01:28] <tritium> synd, official release in October.
[01:28] <ells> tritium; something is obviously been left out
[01:28] <metalsand> tritium: when you're free do you think you could assist me in trouble shooting my wireless PCMCIA card?
[01:29] <Magicbane> in installing Ubuntu it was unable to configure my network.  I know that it is a DHCP network, but when I went to the configuration for it, it asked for a hostname, how do I find that name?
[01:29] <tritium> metalsand, I'm not sticking around too long.  What's the problem?
[01:29] <synd> metalsand: still no dice with that?
[01:29] <metalsand> tritium: It doesn't work
[01:29] <synd> lmao
[01:29] <tritium> metalsand, I gathered that ;0
[01:29] <cmbroth_>  /msg nickserv link cmbroth lucas1
[01:30] <tritium> Could you be more specific, metalsand?
[01:30] <metalsand> tritium: Basically, I've been in here for the last 5 days, trying to get it working for about 5 hours a day
[01:30] <cmbroth_> oops
[01:30] <cmbroth_> okay new pw
[01:30] <cmbroth_> lol
[01:30] <metalsand> tritium: I've installed the wlan-ng drivers for it (Basic Prism 2, didn't work), and now the hostap drivers
[01:30] <metalsand> and when I finished my hostap driver installation, my card (wlan0) dissipeared
[01:31] <metalsand> I've installed linux-headers and linux-source for my kernel and build utilities through my adventures
[01:31] <g0dot> is there a way to change the default size of a terminal window?
[01:31] <metalsand> now I have HostAP source installed, and modprobe showing no errors for that, but my card isn't even listed in if/iwconfig
[01:31] <tritium> metalsand, you really only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) for building kernel modules
[01:31] <metalsand> Sepcific enough?
[01:32] <tritium> metalsand, which card is it exactly?
[01:33] <metalsand> Senao SL 2511 Plus Ext 2
[01:33] <metalsand> Sometimes referred to as the Senao NL 2511 Plus Ext 2
[01:34] <tritium> metalsand, do you load the module you built at boot?
[01:35] <metalsand> I'm not sure
[01:35] <metalsand> I've only used Linux for a week, so I'm sure that's a big factor in me spending 20 hours trying to get this working (really - 20 hours)
[01:35] <tritium> metalsand, to be sure that the module loads at boot time, you'd list it in /etc/modules
[01:36] <revelater> guys is their something like visual c++ in linux?
[01:36] <metalsand> So a hostap module should be there?
 Im trying so ssh a computer in lan and I get this error:
 alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ sudo ssh root@172.16.1.1
 root@172.16.1.1's password:
 Read from remote host 172.16.1.1: Connection reset by peer
 Connection to 172.16.1.1 closed.
 how do I able my ip in the host computer?
[01:36] <tritium> metalsand, whichever module you're trying to use
[01:36] <SaMRoX> nobody knows?
[01:37] <tritium> SaMRoX, why are you using sudo with ssh?
[01:37] <SaMRoX> tritium, i get the same error with out sudo
[01:37] <SaMRoX> i just want to ssh
[01:37] <metalsand> Does anyonek now any terminal commands to check laptop powers?
[01:37] <SaMRoX> how do i do it?
[01:37] <metalsand> power*
[01:38] <revelater> my laptop can see through walls and fly, what about yours? :)
[01:38] <tritium> SaMRoX, you don't need to use sudo.  The root account you're trying to ssh to is on the other end
[01:38] <synd> revelater: mine can make a really good omelet
[01:38] <SaMRoX> i knows tritium
[01:38] <SaMRoX> but that doesnt solve anything
[01:39] <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ ssh root@172.16.1.1
[01:39] <SaMRoX> root@172.16.1.1's password:
[01:39] <SaMRoX> Connection to 172.16.1.1 closed by remote host.
[01:39] <SaMRoX> Connection to 172.16.1.1 closed.
[01:39] <SaMRoX> happy?
[01:39] <SaMRoX> :s
[01:39] <tritium> SaMRoX, the other end might have disabled root logins via ssh
[01:39] <SaMRoX> the password is correct
[01:39] <synd> revelater: sometimes it does my laundry, but only if i clean up the desktop and such. i scratch its back, it scratches mine
[01:39] <hybrid_goth> anyone on ppc using skype or other voip
[01:39] <hybrid_goth> ?
[01:39] <SaMRoX> but it is the only user
[01:39] <revelater> synd: lol
[01:40] <tritium> SaMRoX, ssh is often configured to disallow root logins
[01:40] <tritium> hybrid_goth, did you give java-package a try?
[01:40] <SaMRoX> but for instance, if I type an invalid password I get this
[01:40] <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ ssh root@172.16.1.1
[01:40] <SaMRoX> root@172.16.1.1's password:
[01:40] <SaMRoX> Permission denied, please try again.
[01:40] <hybrid_goth> tritium: yea but havent done anything with it yet
[01:40] <tritium> hybrid_goth, ah, okay
[01:41] <hybrid_goth> tritium: so what do i do after the install
[01:41] <SaMRoX> Shouldnt i get that also with the right password if root isnt allowed?
[01:41] <tritium> hybrid_goth, Method 3 of that URL I gave you, or read the docs I mentioned
[01:41] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:42] <tritium> SaMRoX, not necessarily.
[01:42] <metalsand> tritium: I don't even have a /etc/modules directory
[01:42] <metalsand> :/
[01:42] <tritium> metalsand, it's a file, not a directory
[01:42] <SaMRoX> ok..
[01:42] <metalsand> o.
[01:42] <metalsand> lol
[01:43] <metalsand> tritium: There's nothing there about hostap
[01:43] <tritium> metalsand, okay.  let's see if it's currently loaded.  please run this at the command-line: "lsmod | grep hostap"
[01:43] <tritium> metalsand, "hostap" is the name of the module, I assume?
[01:44] <metalsand> yes
[01:44] <tritium> okay
[01:44] <revelater> hey whats a good visual c++ like program in ubuntu?
[01:44] <tritium> SaMRoX, any way you can verify with the administrator of that machine if root logins are allowed via ssh?
[01:45] <cmbroth> Hey crimsun, what is breezy?
[01:45] <metalsand> nothing, tritium
[01:45] <sir-gold> can i paste an interesting ubuntu-related link in here?
[01:45] <crimsun> cmbroth: development branch of Ubuntu
[01:45] <mario> ReleaseX, maybe Anjuta
[01:45] <tritium> metalsand, okay, so that tells us that it's not loaded right now
[01:45] <SaMRoX> yes tritium, ill verify that tomorrow, thx
[01:45] <tritium> SaMRoX, okay
[01:45] <metalsand> tritium: Probably why once I restarted wlan0 dissipeared ;)
[01:45] <mario> revelater, , maybe Anjuta
[01:46] <tritium> metalsand, so, our next step is to load it.  "sudo modprobe hostap".  Also, please add it to your /etc/modules, so next time you boot, it will load.
[01:46] <ifr> anyone messed around within /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:46] <tritium> ifr, yes
[01:46] <metalsand> I installed hostAP-source, I don't know if that will change anything
[01:46] <ifr> I have an interesting dilemma can I PM you?
[01:46] <paxmaster> do u guys know how could i work a webcam o
[01:46] <tritium> metalsand, not a concern at the moment.
[01:46] <metalsand> no errors, tritium
[01:46] <ifr> Thanks
[01:46] <darGor> why always when i turn on my pc, it goes automatic to a console in /dev/shm/resolvconf/interface ?
[01:46] <tritium> ifr, can you describe it here, in case others can either learn/help?
[01:47] <paxmaster> do u guys know how could i work a webcam in a webcam
[01:47] <Tezkah> why doesn't wlan0 exist?
[01:47] <Tezkah> daaaamnit
[01:47] <mindspore> uhmmm.....
[01:47] <metalsand> darGor: did you "Save these settings"
[01:47] <metalsand> When you shutdown/restarted
[01:47] <revelater> mario: you sure thats how it was spelled?
[01:47] <tritium> paxmaster, it depends on if the hardware is supported.
[01:47] <metalsand> tritium: modprobe hostap showed nothing
[01:48] <tritium> metalsand, that's normal.  re-run the modprobe command I gave you, and see if it shows something loaded this time
[01:48] <tritium> sorry, the lsmod command
[01:48] <ifr> Tritium back here
[01:48] <tritium> ifr, okay, thanks
[01:48] <Tezkah> does anyone know why I wouldn't have wlan0 showing up as a device?
[01:48] <ifr> inside /etc/network/interfaces I have #primary network ...
[01:48] <ifr> auto eth0
[01:49] <paxmaster> what kind of hardware u mean and how would i know it supports
[01:49] <Tezkah> is there a way to create it?
[01:49] <metalsand> hostap 123976 0
[01:49] <ifr> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:49] <metalsand> is what it displaced, Trickyphillips
[01:49] <ifr> which is fine. And the wifi is a supported crd, up and running.
[01:49] <metalsand> tritium
[01:49] <tritium> metalsand, :)
[01:49] <ifr> But if I do sudo ifdown eth0 I get "eth0 is not configured"
[01:49] <metalsand> So, should my card work now? :P
[01:49] <mario> revelater, I don't know Visual*, but I think it how a IDE...
[01:49] <tritium> metalsand, hopefully so.   Please give it a try
[01:49] <ifr> I'm having lots of difficultites and think this may be part of it - ifdown and ifup don't seem to see the same thing as iwconfig nd ipconfig
[01:50] <ifr> which say eth0 is the wifi card
[01:50] <tritium> ifr, no, iwconfig is specifically for wireless extensions
[01:50] <ifr> So Okay. but ipconfig says eth0's the guy
[01:50] <paxmaster> is there a software for webcam
[01:50] <tritium> paxmaster, gnomemeeting
[01:51] <revelater> mario: i think you had one too many n's in the name, but it looks like what i am looking for, thanks
[01:51] <ifr> I am uing all comand line to get wifi going, because gui seem not to work - they can never release an IP and get a new one
[01:51] <metalsand> tritium: there's no information about my card in iwconfig
[01:51] <metalsand> in fact, it's not listed there
[01:51] <revelater> mario: although it would be nice if it wasn't gnome specific
[01:52] <tritium> metalsand, what about ifconfig?  what devices are listed?
[01:52] <metalsand> eth0 and lo
[01:52] <metalsand> eth0 is an internal PCI wireless device
[01:52] <tritium> eth0 is not what we're loading hostap for?
[01:53] <metalsand> No
[01:53] <tritium> ifr, I'm not quite understanding your question
[01:53] <metalsand> it was wlan0
[01:53] <ifr> Tritium, that seems to be the crux of my problem: once on an IP, I can never release it and get a new one. Forcing me to reboot the machine whenever switching networks
[01:53] <metalsand> eth0 is my internal card, it worked striaght out of the install
[01:53] <metalsand> of Ubuntu
[01:53] <metalsand> my PCMCIA Card, however, didn't.
[01:54] <sir-gold> metalsand: if you have 2 wireless nics, maybe you should disable the onboard one (in bios setup or something) until you get hostap working, just so there are no conflicts
[01:54] <tritium> ifr, oh, I see
[01:54] <ifr> Tritium and ifdown ifup and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart are ineffectual
[01:54] <metalsand> sir-gold: Good idea, I'll do that now
[01:55] <ifr> tritium SO I whether ifup and ifdown are looking in the right place
[01:55] <tritium> metalsand, cool
[01:55] <synd> i remember that my wireless card wouldnt work because the eth0 was enabled
[01:55] <metalsand> omg
[01:55] <ifr> Or if this is a dhclient issue
[01:55] <synd> when i disabled it (and did the ndiswrapper shit) it worked
[01:55] <synd> metalsand: voila?
[01:55] <metalsand> if that's been my problem all along
[01:55] <metalsand> I'm going to end myself
[01:55] <synd> that happened to me too :P
[01:55] <tritium> metalsand, you don't need ndiswrapper for this, do you?
[01:56] <metalsand> No
[01:56] <metalsand> I'd like to use actual supporte drivers
[01:56] <synd> but i figured it within 10 mins so i thought nonthing of it
[01:56] <sir-gold> metalsand if you would have mentioned the onboard wireless 2 days ago i would have said the same thing
[01:57] <amaro> Is there a way to speed-up firefox loading time? I mean when you open up a firefox window.
[01:57] <sir-gold> the pcmcia card that metalsand is using is a prism 2 based card
[01:57] <raydogg``> how do you check the entire disk to make sure there are 0 bad sectors ?
[01:57] <sir-gold> amaro are you using gnome or kde?
[01:57] <amaro> KDE
[01:58] <sir-gold> thats a reported problem with KDE
[01:58] <metalsand> Hrmmm. Dell has locked down the BIOS options pretty good, there's an option to have "Wireless always off"
[01:58] <metalsand> I'll try that
[01:58] <sir-gold> installing gnome fixes it for some reason
[01:58] <tritium> metalsand, okay, please reboot, and disable the onboard nic in bios
[01:58] <synd> kde is odd
[01:58] <tritium> metalsand, oh, didn't see your message above
[01:58] <sir-gold> you don't have to use gnome, it just needs one of the gnome libs or something
[01:58] <amaro> sir-gold, I already have gnome installed
[01:58] <sir-gold> ok, nevermind then
[01:59] <jamesio> hello all
[01:59] <ax> hi
[01:59] <ax> anyone else have problems wiht firefox freezing?
[01:59] <jamesio> nope.  can you reproduce the problem?
[02:00] <ax> yeah, almost everytime my girlfriend goes to "myspace" it freezes
[02:00] <beco_> hi everyone, i am havin a really weird problem with firefox, in wont start if I click the icon, just run if i type firefox from a root terminal, does anyone knows something about this issue?
[02:01] <metalsand> Firefox has frozen for me a couple of times... But real rare stuff (loading a thousand pictures in one window...)
[02:01] <ax> yeah, it freezes for her very often
[02:01] <sir-gold> there is always opera...
[02:01] <metalsand> Her comp probably sucks :P
[02:01] <paxmaster> hello i am setting gnomemeeting, now i am at the part of video;  please choose vedeo input device . but there no device found
[02:01] <metalsand> Great
[02:01] <hybrid_goth> any podcast programs for ubuntu
[02:01] <metalsand> I chose always off for the wireless, yet it still shows up as eth0 in term
[02:02] <synd> i mean she is a girl so that may be the problem right there
[02:02] <ax> is there a gui tool for killing stuff when it is frozen?
[02:02] <tritium> metalsand, have you tried the reboot/bios change?
[02:02] <synd> ax: yes
[02:02] <synd> in gnome
[02:02] <metalsand> Yes
[02:02] <ax> i can just teach her to use kill on a terminal but easier for her makes things easier for me
[02:02] <metalsand> that's just what I did
[02:02] <metalsand> Yet
[02:02] <sir-gold> metalsand: paste the output of ifconfig into pastebin.com
[02:02] <ax> yeah, she's using gnome.. what is it called?
[02:02] <metalsand> I can't access the internet, sir-gold :P
[02:02] <metalsand> not on my laptop at least
[02:03] <synd> ax: theres a thing that you can put on the panel and it kills whatever program you click after you click it
[02:03] <metalsand> I'm going to google disabling onboard crap with my laptop
[02:03] <metalsand> sec
[02:03] <synd> ax: you do "Add to Panel..." and add the "Force Quit" option to the panel
[02:03] <ax> synd: huh, that sounds dangerous, is there an app that she can just see the names of programs running that she can kill and kill what she wants to?
[02:03] <tritium> metalsand, I'm running short on time here.  can I leave you in the good care of the others here?
[02:04] <synd> ax: its not, really
[02:04] <metalsand> tritium: Sure, I've been at this for 20 hours
[02:04] <metalsand> It's not like another 5 would hurt.
[02:04] <synd> ax: it asks for a confirmation
[02:04] <IFR__> Thanks for your help Tritiu,m! Have a good rest!
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> any podcast programs for ubuntu?
[02:04] <tritium> metalsand, sorry it's been such a pain.  good luck to you!
[02:04] <ax> synd: ok.. that's cool :) thanks
[02:04] <raydogg``> dos fsck check the disc for errors ?
[02:04] <raydogg``> i mean bad sectors
[02:04] <tritium> IFR__, sure, good luck :)
[02:04] <synd> ax: you try it out?
[02:05] <synd> ax: no prob
[02:05] <ax> i think the fact that she is a girl is very positive because she is a girl and is using linux
[02:06] <mindspore> linux chicks are hot.
[02:06] <Licker> how would you find your pop 3 server addy
[02:06] <synd> ax: those are few and far between
[02:06] <mindspore> I'm talking to one right now ;-)
[02:06] <mindspore> (not on IRC)
[02:06] <tirian> How do you enable APM into the kernal?
[02:07] <synd> i considered it an accomplishment when i got my girlfriend to use firefox on winxp
[02:07] <ax> my girlfriend uses irc as well
[02:08] <beco_>  i am havin a really weird problem with firefox, in wont start if I click the icon, just run if i type firefox from a root terminal, does anyone knows something about this issue?
[02:08] <beco_> or where can I find logs?
[02:08] <ax> seems like your icon may not be executing a valid program
[02:08] <synd> beco_: is the icon's prefs set right?
[02:09] <mindspore> logs?  in the woods?
[02:09] <beco_> jja
[02:09] <goldfish_> chicks dont exist on irc !
[02:09] <synd> beco_: the command should be firefox %u
[02:09] <crimsun> goldfish_: a few work for canonical
[02:09] <synd> beco_: right click on the icon and click prefs
[02:09] <crimsun> goldfish_: so yes, they do =)
[02:09] <beco_> icon is ok, actually it raises a window header wich says "starting firefox web browser" but then quits
[02:09] <synd> hm
[02:09] <goldfish_> crimsun: hehe :)
[02:09] <synd> thats where i get off
[02:10] <beco_> thanks
[02:10] <tirian> to enable APM support, do I need to recompile the Kernal?
[02:10] <Licker> how would you find your own addy for your pop 3 server
[02:10] <synd> why dont ubuntu come with the original firefox icons
[02:10] <crimsun> tirian: no
[02:10] <tirian> Licker: You should get that from your hosting provider.
[02:10] <crimsun> synd: licensing
[02:11] <metalsand> Someone said there's a hotplug script that can blacklist the wireless card
[02:11] <Licker> im my hosting provider...
[02:11] <crimsun> synd: same issue as with Debian
[02:11] <Licker> o.O
[02:11] <metalsand> to make sure it doesn't interfere with my onboard one
[02:11] <synd> crimsun: oh, i see.
[02:11] <Licker> is it just my IP then....
[02:11] <crimsun> tirian: search the wiki for instructions on disabling acpi and enabling apm (kernel boot parameters)
[02:11] <tirian> I tried that, but it didn't work.
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> no podcast software
[02:12] <beco_> i've uninstalled firefox and reinstallen but just the same
[02:12] <crimsun> tirian: what precisely did you try?
[02:12] <tirian> sudo modprobe apm gives me an error: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[02:12] <crimsun> tirian: no, don't modprobe it, use the boot parameter
[02:12] <crimsun> tirian: look more closely on the wiki
[02:13] <tirian> I edited the grub menu.lst files and added apm to the list of modules, however, when I rebooted, I still only have acpi.
[02:13] <crimsun> tirian: I presume you executed sudo update-grub?
[02:13] <tirian> Yup.
[02:14] <crimsun> show me your # kopt= line
[02:14] <tirian> kopt=acpi=on
[02:15] <tirian> update-grub didn't install the boot loader w/ the new config, though. I had to run grub-install /dev/hda
[02:18] <talmir> hello :)
[02:18] <tirian> crimsun: is the kopt line supposed to be "#kopt" or "kopt"?
[02:19] <crimsun> tirian: it's supposed to be # kopt. Do not remove the hash (comment) mark.
[02:19] <tirian> Ahh.. won't that keep that line commented, though?
[02:19] <crimsun> that's precisely what it's supposed to do.
[02:19] <crimsun> update-grub looks for that comment.
[02:19] <talmir> I am in a bit of a pinch now. I am trying to use the updatedb. Only I just installed ubuntu and it seems that install never asked me what root password I wanted to use.. :P Is there some default pass that is set during install?
[02:19] <crimsun> talmir: please see the topic regarding the FAQ
[02:20] <talmir> :P sorry
[02:20] <tirian> crimsun: ok. That makes sense. Thanks!
[02:20] <crimsun> np
[02:20] <talmir> just seemed that since I was not asked during install that it might be some bug. They might want to tell the installer since I dont have access to check faqs all the time :D
[02:24] <beco_> does anyone knows where are firefox log files?
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> tritium: what jdk do i download? bianries? source?
[02:26] <nevyn> so does anyone know when shipit is gonna start actually sending cd's this time?
[02:27] <Burgundavia> nevyn, when they start shipping
[02:27] <Burgundavia> nevyn, they couldn't start pressing until April 8th
[02:27] <IFR__> Hi again. Tritium wasn't able to help - any other wifi / network interface whizzes around?
[02:27] <paulsen> I need help getting accelerated 3D working with my Radeon 9500 card
[02:28] <paulsen> I've now searched up and down the forums, trying to figure out why DRI simply refuses to work on my box
[02:28] <nevyn> Burgundavia: I have ONE set of hoary cd's for i386.. that I collected at LCA
[02:28] <paulsen> and I havent found any solution for this problem
[02:28] <paulsen> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_EBUSY"
[02:28] <IFR__> I'm trying to find out why my wireless cannot release an IP (like ifdown) and get a new one (like ifup). The card connects (I send this wirelessly) but ifdown eth0 gets me "eth0 is not configured"
[02:28] <Burgundavia> nevyn, the LCA ones were rush shipped
[02:29] <Tezkah> "wlan0 does not exist"
[02:29] <Tezkah> can anyone point me in the right direction?  I'm trying to use NDIS to set it up
[02:29] <emj> Anyone using acpi_sleep with hoary?
[02:29] <paulsen> Tezkah: have you downloaded the NDIS drivers for the wlan card?
[02:30] <Tezkah> yes, and they are installed
[02:30] <Tezkah> ndiwrapper -m wrote the alias in
[02:30] <paulsen> paste what ndiswrapper -l says
[02:30] <Tezkah> heh, wish I could, I had to reboot, since I only have wireless here
[02:30] <paulsen> hm :|
[02:30] <nevyn> Burgundavia: I'm just kicking myself for not picking up a ppc cd at the time ;)
[02:30] <Tezkah> it says taht my broadcom lwfwhatevera is installed
[02:30] <Burgundavia> nevyn, lucky bugger
[02:31] <paulsen> Tezkah: I also have a broadcom chip here
[02:31] <Tezkah> yeah, everything seemed to install properly
[02:31] <paulsen> Tezkah: I had problems setting it up, but it always appeared in ifconfig.. so you obviously dont have the same problem as me
[02:31] <paulsen> does the card show up in the network configuration thing in X?
[02:31] <Tezkah> yeah, I have lo, eth0 and si0? I think
[02:32] <paulsen> eth0?
[02:32] <paulsen> does the computer have a regular LAN controller?
[02:32] <Tezkah> yes
[02:32] <lewwy> man, i really REALLY wish i could get my davicom 10/100 network card working
[02:32] <paulsen> and you are sure eth0 is the LAN card and not the WLAN card?
[02:32] <paulsen> perhaps you should dig through /var/log/messages for errors
[02:33] <paulsen> it should tell you when ndiswrapper is doing its magic on boot
[02:33] <dennis__> can I add a commandline option to my network card configuration?
[02:33] <Tezkah> all right
[02:33] <paulsen> now.. anyone here who can help me getting this ATI card working?
[02:33] <Tezkah> so if it is eth0, ifup eth0 should being it up,
[02:33] <memvol> anyone have some help for me, when i iwconfig wlan0 it tells me the essid is "d11b" rather than the essid I put in the Network essid boc
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> tritium: what jdk do i download? bianries? source?
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> sorry i missed it
[02:35] <lewwy> hehe, someone should make a open source program called tomato, because when you went to get the source, it'd be called "tomato-source"
[02:35] <lewwy> geddit?
[02:36] <lewwy> and there was silence amongst #ubuntu
[02:37] <ells> has anyone had any issues with ripping any new dvd
[02:37] <br33zy-blah> uh hi
[02:37] <br33zy-blah> i'm getting a grub error 24 at stage 1.5
[02:38] <br33zy-blah> this is happening after an interesting class which consisted of me burning a cd, failing for some reason, freezing, then me hitting the reset button
[02:38] <br33zy-blah> ideas?
[02:38] <memvol> anyone have some help for me, when i iwconfig wlan0 it tells me the essid is "d11b" rather than the essid I put in the Network essid box?
[02:38] <ells> has anyone had any issues with ripping any new dvd
[02:38] <br33zy-blah> fsck.ext3 says there is something wrong with some superblock thing
[02:38] <lewwy> no, but then again i dont try ripping dvd;s
[02:38] <lewwy> hmmm the uber nerds seem to have gone idle
[02:38] <lewwy> (i use uber nerds in the most respectable way possible)
[02:38] <ells> lewwy, the new dvds seem to have added encryption
[02:39] <lewwy> ells: hmmm that seems strange, they shouldnt
[02:39] <ells> lewwy, yeah, i tried to different dvds
[02:39] <lewwy> try getting dvdshrink and wining it?
[02:39] <ells> one old, one new
[02:39] <ells> lewwy, dvdshrink wont work for me
[02:39] <lewwy> why not?
[02:40] <ells> lewwy, i get an aspi error of some sort
[02:40] <ells> lewwy, you familiary with that
[02:41] <lewwy> aspi error?
[02:41] <bronson> Is anybody here running tomboy?
[02:41] <lewwy> (keeping in mind i'm fairly new at ubuntu and only feeling my way around atm)
[02:42] <ells> lewwy, it keeps giving the same error
[02:42] <ells> when in wine
[02:42] <lewwy> mmm
[02:42] <lewwy> wine is a bit dodgy
[02:42] <lewwy> oop hang on
[02:42] <ells> lewwy, okay
[02:42] <lewwy> what are you using to rip dvd's with?
[02:42] <ells> tccat
[02:42] <Razor-X> C'est tres magnifique!
[02:42] <Razor-X> hahaha! woohoo
[02:43] <Razor-X> NTFS has finally been resized
[02:43] <Razor-X> now, to install Kubuntu!
[02:43] <ells> lewwy: when i use dvdshrink, I get could not initialize ASPI error
[02:43] <tahorg> Razor-X: you can forgot the 'trs'
[02:43] <tahorg> Razor-X: c'est magnifiiiique
[02:43] <lewwy> mmm
[02:43] <lewwy> ok
[02:44] <lewwy> i may have found a better program to rip dvd's
[02:44] <lewwy> i'll give it a shot first
[02:44] <ells> lewwy, what
[02:44] <yfir> grip is very good
[02:44] <ells> cool
[02:44] <lewwy> www.ubuntuguide.org is an invaluble tool, thats what im looking at now
[02:44] <tahorg> Razor-X: btw, you've been able to load the dvorak keymap in grub ?
[02:44] <Razor-X> tahorg: this client can't do unicode
[02:44] <Razor-X> gonna do it
[02:44] <ells> yfir: the new dvds have added encryption
[02:44] <tahorg> Razor-X: it isn't unicode, it's iso-8859-1
[02:45] <yfir> ells: oh? cdparanoia can't handle it? news to me
[02:45] <Razor-X> QTParted would _not_ find all the free space I had, PMagic would, but something kept acessing the machine at bootime
[02:45] <Razor-X> tahorg: oh
[02:45] <ells> yfir: cdparanoia for dvd?
[02:45] <yfir> oh sorry! haha, you said DVD!
[02:45] <Razor-X> finally I got PMagic to work
[02:45] <yfir> for some reason i've been reading/thinking cd
[02:45] <Razor-X> and, inadvertently, got my dad to give me internet access again ;-P
[02:45] <lewwy> well isnt that fan fricking tabulous
[02:45] <lewwy> synaptic wont let me install transcode
[02:46] <memvol> anyone have some help for me, when i iwconfig wlan0 it tells me the essid is "d11b" rather than the essid I put in the Network essid boc
[02:46] <ells> lewwy, i have transcode
[02:46] <memvol> it is also showing no results when i scan for essid
[02:46] <Razor-X> now I have to deside to use the easy, unclean way of PQBoot, or the slightly more difficult clean way of a GRUB boot floppy
[02:46] <lewwy> oop
[02:46] <lewwy> nvm
[02:46] <lewwy> it appears im a victim of my own stupidity
[02:47] <ells> lewwy, how so
[02:47] <|QuaD-_> any other breezy's trying to apt-get and their system breaking?
[02:47] <Razor-X> or, just hiding GRUB at startup
[02:47] <lewwy> i tried synaptic to get transcode, but synaptic refuses
[02:47] <jkinz> Hi all, NTFS support issue, have a nephew who needs to write TO an NTFS file system.  Is there any to do that w/Ubuntu yet?
[02:47] <lewwy> and then i looked at ubuntuguide and it told me the proper way of doing it
[02:47] <JairunCaloth> 128mb in kb would be... @ 131000?
[02:48] <ells> lewwy, cool
[02:48] <lewwy> 128 * 1024
[02:48] <lewwy> sudo apt-get -t testing install transcode
[02:48] <lewwy> if j00 are interested
[02:48] <JairunCaloth> I think NTFS can only be read only
[02:48] <lewwy> and then
[02:48] <Razor-X> jkinz: try Captive-NTFS
[02:48] <ells> lewwy, okay
[02:48] <lewwy> sudo apt-get install dvdrip
[02:48] <Razor-X> as long as the NTFS has some form of Windows on it
[02:48] <lewwy> bah
[02:48] <lewwy> just read ubuntuguide
[02:48] <tahorg> well, ntfs write is experimental in 2.6
[02:49] <tahorg> but it should work
[02:49] <ells> lewwy, have tried dvdrip, wont rip the all new, more encrypted dvds
[02:49] <lewwy> ah ok
[02:49] <jkinz> Razor-X: is that an Ubuntu/deb package?
[02:49] <Razor-X> jkinz: not sure, try googling it, or looking through the repositories
[02:49] <Razor-X> it _should_ have a .deb package
[02:49] <ells> lewwy, the program wont let you rip the whole dvd
[02:49] <Razor-X> it's pretty popular so....
[02:49] <K_Dallas> is there a CD burner or tools under linux which could recognize 50MB business card size CDs as they are and not as 700MB CD? (i tried k3b and wrong info, same under windows with nero), thanks
[02:49] <jkinz> tahorg: are ntfs partitions write maountable now because of that support
[02:50] <tahorg> Razor-X: ntfs write is a kernel feature
[02:50] <tahorg> Razor-X: nothing to do with some user level stuff
[02:50] <jkinz> Razor-X: ok. Thanks. (GBG [ God Bless Google] )
[02:50] <Razor-X> tahorg: I know that, but, I don't think it uses Captive
[02:50] <|QuaD-_> can one of the developers sync opts25 and libopts25-dev from debian to fix this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308219
[02:50] <Razor-X> Captive is supposed to be safer than normal NTFS writing
[02:50] <Razor-X> (normal == experimental in kernel)
[02:51] <Razor-X> how long would you say Ubuntu takes to install?
[02:51] <metalsand> i was unable to disable my internal wireless card
[02:51] <Razor-X> on a 1.6 ghz 256 MB RAM
[02:51] <holycow> 20 minutes
[02:51] <metalsand> in BIOS
[02:51] <metalsand> how can I do it in the software?
[02:51] <Razor-X> holycow: oh yeah, forgot ;-P
[02:52] <Razor-X> nice, that's all I hav eleft
[02:52] <Razor-X> *have left
[02:52] <Razor-X> and some GRUB configuring
[02:52] <jkinz> Razor-X, tahorg:  thanks guys.
[02:52] <jamesio> anyone here have experience with freenx?
[02:52] <Razor-X> NTFS resizing took me about 15 minutes
[02:52] <holycow> Razor-X, captive is no longer supported and neither is another driver required for the process also not supported
[02:52] <tahorg> metalsand: ifdown wlan0 ? :)
[02:52] <metalsand> tahorg: No, compeltely disable
[02:52] <holycow> Razor-X, it did? ah neat
[02:52] <metalsand> It's interfering with a PCMCIA Card
[02:52] <holycow> Razor-X, where are you in the install process
[02:52] <holycow> ?
[02:52] <lewwy> uys
[02:53] <lewwy> guys*
[02:53] <tahorg> metalsand: pull it out
[02:53] <tahorg> mini-pci ?
[02:53] <metalsand> It's INTERNAL
[02:53] <helio7> what is the daemon responsible for automounting CF-cards when I insert them into my firewire reader?  It works in gnome, but I'm trying to make it work in XFCE
[02:53] <lewwy> whats the funky thing called thats included in totem-xine that plays DVD's in ascii
[02:53] <lewwy> metalsand: nothing a screwdriver can't fix :P
[02:53] <IIIEars> lol
[02:53] <metalsand> I want it there so I can use it in Windows
[02:53] <metalsand> I just don't want it in Ubuntu
[02:53] <lewwy> ifconfig eth0 down
[02:54] <lewwy> or whatever interface it is
[02:54] <lewwy> or or!
[02:54] <metalsand> You guys suck.
[02:54] <lewwy> you dont have to be here metalsand
[02:54] <lewwy> jesus christ you're complaining about free support ffs
[02:54] <IIIEars> We try to help - tere is just so very much to know. - sorry.
[02:54] <lewwy> ok
[02:55] <lewwy> last suggestion
[02:55] <metalsand> I'm just generalizing, lewwy
[02:55] <tahorg> metalsand: if you unload the driver, that helps ?
[02:55] <lewwy> tried /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:55] <lewwy> editing it?
[02:55] <metalsand> I don't want to go through doing that
[02:55] <metalsand> Yes, lewwy
[02:55] <lewwy> and taking out the network card?
[02:55] <lewwy> oh ok
[02:55] <lewwy> so...its not actually active
[02:55] <metalsand> The problem is my card doesn't show up in iwconfig
[02:55] <helio7> so to manually mount a firewire Compact Flash card would you use the mount command?
[02:55] <metalsand> It used to
[02:55] <metalsand> then I installed hostAP drivers
[02:55] <IIIEars> found a nice driver for a 10 key mouse on the gentoo site :) "evdev"
[02:55] <tahorg> metalsand: what changed
[02:56] <lewwy> mmm
[02:56] <tahorg> so you have your answer
[02:56] <lewwy> well have fun dudes
[02:56] <tahorg> unload the hostap drivers
[02:56] <chiwawa_42> i have a problem with the ralink 2500 howto from ubuntu wiki
[02:56] <chiwawa_42> the config tool says it cannot find the driver
[02:58] <chiwawa_42> the card is liste as ra0 by ipconfig
[02:58] <flames> hi, "sudo apt-get remove --purge evolution" need remove ubuntu-desktop package too, is ubuntu-desktop a required package?
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> no
[02:58] <chiwawa_42> flames: i think it's just a metapackage but i can't tell it for sure
[02:59] <chiwawa_42> used to install the full desktop environment with dependencies
[02:59] <flames> thx, i try remove it
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> Announcement
[03:00] <osity> anyone good with raid partitioning?
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> all ppc user come to #ubuntu-ppc
[03:00] <osity> i dont know what to partition to ,,,,
[03:00] <chiwawa_42> osity: with raid tools or raid theory?
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> lets start up this channel
[03:00] <osity> chiwawa_42: do you know how? i have it setup but not quite sure
[03:01] <osity> can you walk me through the partitioning part?
[03:01] <chiwawa_42> depends on what you want to o
[03:01] <chiwawa_42> do*
[03:01] <osity> raid1
[03:01] <chiwawa_42> for boot?
[03:01] <osity> i have it at the partitioner....
[03:02] <osity> i set up 2 partitions for each drive ( i have 2 drives)
[03:02] <chiwawa_42> the last raid setup i've done was for a gentoo server, so i've done it manually
[03:02] <dantheman> does anyone know why my gaim window might be dead?
[03:02] <dantheman> it's not showing anything
[03:02] <mello> mine isn't either
[03:02] <dantheman> i sign on, and it shows nothing
[03:02] <mello> AIM may be down
[03:02] <dantheman> and to quit, i have to force quit
[03:02] <chiwawa_42> aim sucks, like msn...
[03:03] <dantheman> would i need to do that if aim was down?
[03:03] <chiwawa_42> did you ever read aim service term of use?
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: im me
[03:03] <mello> we use GAIM
[03:03] <helio7> Any ideas on how to detect the location of a firewire attached Compact Flash card reader, so that I can mount it??
[03:03] <mello> but still
[03:03] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: let me attempt to sign on again
[03:03] <chiwawa_42> helio7: might be a scsi disk device
[03:03] <osity> anyone know raid on ubuntu?  I need help with the partitioner
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> doloresdeviva09
[03:04] <osity> anethema
[03:04] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: what's your sn?
[03:04] <hybrid_goth> doloresdeviva09
[03:04] <helio7> chiwawa_42: if it's a scsi disk device, where would I look for it?
[03:04] <osity> any raid experts?
[03:04] <chiwawa_42> osity: i don't think the installer is able to setup a boot raid
[03:04] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: did you get it?
[03:04] <chiwawa_42> helio7: /dev/sd[a-z] 
[03:04] <hybrid_goth> yea i replied
[03:04] <helio7> thanks
[03:05] <osity> chiwawa_42 : what do you mean a boot raid>?
[03:05] <dantheman> i didn't get your reply
[03:05] <chiwawa_42> anyone using a ralink wifi card?
[03:05] <hybrid_goth>  i replied again
[03:05] <osity> chiwawa_42 : what's a boot raid?
[03:06] <chiwawa_42> osity: booting with a mirrored root device
[03:06] <dantheman> i got nothing again
[03:06] <hybrid_goth> hmmm
[03:06] <memvol> anyone know why, when i iwconfig wlan0 it shows my ESSID as "d11b" instead of what I put in for the ESSID in System - Networking?
[03:06] <dantheman> should i try to do a reinstall of gaim?
[03:06] <wallflower> Where's the old ubuntu people shot ? ;)
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: no that is a lil extreme this is not windows; check you settings firewall etc and if nothing else works i guess you can reinstall
[03:07] <osity> chiwawa_42 where would i find out for sure?
[03:07] <dantheman> i don't use a firewall
[03:07] <osity> chiwawa_42: i've been at this for weeks!
[03:07] <elcu> wallflower: you mean on the website?
[03:07] <chiwawa_42> osity: do you know for sure what you're trying to do?
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: behind a router?
[03:07] <wallflower> Yea
[03:07] <wallflower> the one that replaced, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg
[03:08] <osity> i know exactly what i want
[03:08] <wallflower> i mean was replaced
[03:08] <chiwawa_42> osity: so tell me
[03:08] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: i'm on my college's network
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> oh
[03:08] <dantheman> i didn't have to do anything special when i set up gaim
[03:08] <dantheman> it just worked
[03:08] <memvol> anyone know why, when i iwconfig wlan0 it shows my ESSID as "d11b" instead of what I put in for the ESSID in System - Networking?
[03:08] <elcu> wallflower: gone.  you can still put it as your login screen if you want.
[03:08] <osity> raid 1 ....i want to mirror drive 1 completely ,,,,,that's it
[03:08] <dantheman> oh
[03:08] <dantheman> my buddy list just came back
[03:08] <dantheman> weird
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: you can reinstall if you wish
[03:08] <osity> i want to use the 2 drives i havee
[03:08] <chiwawa_42> osity: is this drive your system drive?
[03:08] <wallflower> elcu, i just want the jpg... you know where i can find it?
[03:09] <osity> dantheman: was your name anthema before?
[03:09] <raa1> This probably not the right place to ask but, I will ask anyway...Is there a way to figure out the endianness (byte order) of my system
[03:09] <Nalioth> howdy
[03:09] <Nalioth> raa1 what CPU do you have?
[03:09] <raa1> Intel Xscale
[03:09] <dantheman> osity: no, i've always been dantheman
[03:09] <chiwawa_42> arm is like any risc
[03:09] <elcu> wallflower: not really.  but if you're missing the blonde, install the ubuntu-calendar package. :-)
[03:09] <hybrid_goth> osity: thats a weird question
[03:09] <kwame> Hi
[03:09] <Nalioth> raal that is an important fact for us to cogitate upon
[03:09] <osity> chiwawa_42: I  have 2 drives thats it.......so yes one would be the system drive an the other the mirror
[03:10] <wallflower> lol
[03:10] <kwame> I did a apt-get install k3b ... and everything went ok
[03:10] <kwame> but when trying to burn a cd
[03:10] <memvol> anyone know why, when i iwconfig wlan0 it shows my ESSID as "d11b" instead of what I put in for the ESSID in System - Networking?
[03:10] <hybrid_goth> xandros makes me sick
[03:10] <chiwawa_42> osity: so you want to boot from a mirored partition
[03:10] <osity> hybrid_goth: not really.....the work anthema is in this name....I wanted to talk to anthema
[03:10] <kwame> I got a message telling me that I need the cdrdao package, apt-cache search does not show such package
[03:10] <chiwawa_42> wich isn't simple
[03:10] <kwame> how can I use k3b?
[03:10] <chiwawa_42> kwame: launch it
[03:10] <hybrid_goth> osity: you you are gonna ask a random user? :P
[03:11] <kwame> chiwawa_42, already did ... but I get that error message
[03:11] <raa1> Nalioth: are RISCs big-endian
[03:11] <osity> chiwawa_42: sure .....i want one drive with the OS and the other to mirror it all
[03:11] <kwame> chiwawa_42, telling me that I need cdrdao
[03:11] <chiwawa_42> WHY THE FUCK does xchat popup on highlights ?!?
[03:11] <chiwawa_42> driving me crazy
[03:11] <osity> hybrid_goth: ask a random user what?
[03:12] <transgress> chiwawa_42: change the preferences
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> are you so and so
[03:12] <chiwawa_42> transgress: looking for the right option for hours, can't find it
[03:12] <senator32> i have the ut2k4 dvd, I have installed it on Suse before with no issue, i cant seem to install it in ubuntu (running kde mainly). HOW DO I INSTALL IT?? ITS a ".sh" file
[03:12] <osity> anthema is the irc name.....
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> nvm
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> nvm
[03:12] <transgress> senator32: what's the problem?
[03:12] <dazzed> senator32: type ./the.sh in a term
[03:12] <osity> chiwawa: do you know the partitioner options?
[03:12] <senator32> ah let me try that
[03:12] <SpAwN> I NEED LINUX
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> damn, it was on the xchat tray...
[03:13] <osity> it asks questions, i just dont know which to pick
[03:13] <transgress> senator32: `copy that file elsewhere
[03:13] <transgress> senator32: then run it... otherwise you can't unmount the disc
[03:13] <dazzed> no eh doesnt have to do that
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> kwame: did you setup universe/multiverse repositories?
[03:13] <dazzed> ohhh
[03:13] <senator32> oh
[03:13] <jamesio> whoa... freenx is pretty cool
[03:13] <dazzed> well you can
[03:13] <SpAwN> I need linux )':
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> osity: as I told you, the installer may not handle raid booting
[03:13] <SpAwN> i want to use freyja
[03:13] <transgress> wouldn't let me...
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> yes, freenx is damn cool
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: nor grub does
[03:13] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: what u got
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> or not fine last time i tried
[03:13] <SpAwN> windows
[03:13] <kwame> chiwawa_42, noup
[03:13] <transgress> freenx?
[03:14] <osity> chiwawa: is that a guesss?
[03:14] <dazzed> SpAwN: download ubu
[03:14] <SpAwN> lol
[03:14] <chiwawa_42> kwame: so set them up first when looking for a missing package
[03:14] <raa1> Nalioth: Little googling suggests that the endianness could be switched or something like that...any idea??
[03:14] <osity> chiwawa: how can i find out without trying?
[03:14] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, what?
[03:14] <SpAwN> is it free
[03:14] <senator32> yes i get bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied error when i try and "./ut2k4.sh"
[03:14] <senator32> off the disc
[03:14] <dazzed> lol
[03:14] <SpAwN> my friend tole me to come here dazzed
[03:14] <senator32> i just need to relocate the files then?
[03:14] <SpAwN> and ask about it
[03:14] <dazzed> SpAwN: very much free
[03:14] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: i had to do that manually with gentoo, and only lilo was able to boot from MD
[03:14] <jamesio> trans, yeah... it's a remote x windows desktop server/client package
[03:14] <transgress> senator32: sudo ./linux-install.sh
[03:14] <SpAwN> awsome
[03:14] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: what distro you want
[03:14] <osity> suerly someone has setup raid on ubuntu!
[03:14] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: you also need a custom kernel with builtin raid support
[03:15] <SpAwN> dunno
[03:15] <dazzed> SpAwN: do you know how to download and burn .iso's?
[03:15] <chiwawa_42> wich the installer doesn't have
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, what the, i've been coding for two hours and now this?
[03:15] <raa1> It would have been nice if /proc/cpuinfo displayed the endianness of the processor
[03:15] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: well are you a noob?
[03:15] <ksmurf> hello all.  can anyone direct me to help for 1. Getting my tv out working on my nvidia 6600GT 2. Getting my graphire working on this system.  I'm using hoary and it is just about a clean install
[03:15] <senator32> transgress: i still get the same error
[03:15] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: sry
[03:15] <SpAwN> dude i know nothing about linux
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, let me idle alone :/
[03:15] <SpAwN> only windows
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, :)
[03:15] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: bad completion
[03:15] <dazzed> a .iso is a cd file ...(universal)
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, it's cool
[03:15] <oscarh> :D
[03:15] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: well Ubuntu Mandravia or SuSe would be best
[03:15] <dazzed> its an image file
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, confused though
[03:15] <transgress> best for what?
[03:15] <SpAwN> hmm
[03:16] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: Ubuntu is the best b/c it is userfriendly but can get real powerfull
[03:16] <osity> is there a raid chan that may know or shoudl i try debian
[03:16] <senator32> transgress: should i just move the dvd files to the hd?
[03:16] <dazzed> SpAwN: look at my ubuntu www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux_latest.jpg
[03:16] <SpAwN> i will check out the website
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> osity: you need a really special setup to do that
[03:16] <transgress> senator32: doesn't seem to be the problem... i don't even know what the problem is
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: debian isntaller sucks
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> sry oscarh
[03:16] <dazzed> SpAwN: its actually my fluxbox but ubuntu is my dist
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> osity: you need a custom kernel anyway
[03:16] <senator32> transgress: ok thanks for the help though
[03:16] <transgress> umm... chiwawa_42 ... ubuntu uses debian installer with a few parts cut out of it
[03:17] <SpAwN> lol
[03:17] <SpAwN> i might leave
[03:17] <chiwawa_42> transgress: yeah, it still sucks
[03:17] <osity> i highly doubt i need a really special setup for raid......
[03:17] <SpAwN> cus this is a lil over crowded
[03:17] <transgress> compared to?
[03:17] <chiwawa_42> osity: it's not "just" raid, it's a boot from raid
[03:17] <oscarh> :D
[03:17] <SpAwN> i will check out website for ubuntu
[03:17] <osity> hmmm
[03:18] <chiwawa_42> osity: also, mirroring can be done with either mdadm or lvm
[03:18] <Nalioth> raal, sorry i'm not a deep-ended nerd, i only know that PPC and arm and x86 all go different ways
[03:19] <bodaciousb> anyone know how i cna convert mds/mdf files to iso in linux?
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: you also know ppc is the best :P
[03:19] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, why would you say that?  :P
[03:19] <thechitowncubs> Nalioth: why do you allow yourself to struggle with your PPC :)
[03:20] <bodaciousb> isn't PPC mac?
[03:20] <ksmurf> hello all.  can anyone direct me to help for 1. Getting my tv out working on my nvidia 6600GT 2. Getting my graphire working on this system.  I'm using hoary and it is just about a clean install
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: no idea...
[03:20] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, the struggle is life; life is the struggle
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> bodaciousb: yes
[03:20] <transgress> bodaciousb: yes
[03:20] <Nalioth> bodaciousb, yes it is
[03:20] <Nalioth> and also IBM big iron
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: amen
[03:20] <bodaciousb> =P thought so
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> motorola
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: G3 right?
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> bodaciousb: some ppl say it is not a mac due to the fact it has linux on not mac os
[03:21] <ells> anyone here copy dvds
[03:21] <thechitowncubs> ells: maybe
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> ells: no i copy actors
[03:21] <ells> thchitowncubs: cool, have you noticed new encryption on the dvds
[03:22] <Razor-X> htish is the empteenth time i'm saying this, but, fdisk /mbr should boot WinXP partitions too, right?
[03:22] <thechitowncubs> Not really, I only copy some that i need to backup
[03:22] <ells> thchitowncubs: there is new encryption out there
[03:22] <hybrid_goth> ouch
[03:22] <ells> thchitowncubs: I have seen it increasingly in the last few months
[03:23] <nicedreams> how do i start an application at startup?  I'm using fluxbox and I want freevo to start inside of fluxbox without having to login so I want it to auto login and run freevo
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> really?
[03:23] <ells> thchitowncubs: was curious is anyone had done a work around for the new encryption
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> ahhh, that will suck
[03:23] <brdweb> Razor-X: yes, that takes the mbr back to default, so any windows OS that is first on the drive should boot
[03:23] <ells> thchitowncubs: yeap
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> i haven't seen any news on it
[03:24] <ells> thchitowncubs: buy a new dvd and you will see
[03:24] <ells> thchitowncubs: I bought house of flying daggers and it was on there
[03:24] <ells> thchitowncubs: I checked it against my pirates of the caribbean which i backed up fine
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:11: syntax error
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:19: syntax error
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:20: class definition in method body
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:24: class definition in method body
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:47: class definition in method body
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:74: syntax error
[03:25] <mebaran151> anyone here know ruby and want to help fix it
[03:25] <elcu> nicedreams: you're probably going to have to edit a fluxbox config fle
[03:25] <osity> any one have raid experience....
[03:25] <elcu> mebaran151: please don't paste lines here
[03:25] <nicedreams> elcu, how do i make it auto login my username with gdm?
[03:25] <mebaran151> sorry
[03:25] <elcu> use a pastebin
[03:25] <mebaran151> that paste wasnt supposed to go here
[03:25] <mebaran151> heheh
[03:26] <elcu> mebaran151: that's even worse.
[03:26] <Marble2> why do I get a totally messed up terminal when I do jar c directory
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> I backed up Ferris Bueller and that worked :)
[03:26] <ells> thchitowncubs: older movie my friend
[03:26] <elcu> nicedreams: sorry, i'm a gnome user so not really familiar with fluxbox.  try googling.
[03:26] <elcu> or maybe even #fluxbox (if it exists)
[03:26] <ells> thchitowncubs: I have seen the last two new ones I bought have it on there
[03:26] <floam> Are there any Ubuntu isntall CD's that aren't 650MB?
[03:26] <drcode> hi all
[03:27] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, this particular chat gateway is a G3 ibook
[03:27] <floam> I'd like to find one that's like 50-100 that'd just download crap it needs from mirrors
[03:27] <Deffie> hi all, i'm using ubuntu 5.04 default installation, i've created a vfat partition to archive data, now i created an user to work on the partition and i set to him the partition on fstab, i'm copying data to that partition from network via ftp but looking at df /data is now growing, but /.dev is growing instead... :?
[03:27] <drcode> can I clone two hdd I Want to remove all my linux into bigger hdd
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: my box is a g3
[03:27] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, my new G4 ibook is awaiting drivers for the Aiport Extreme
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: I was told that wont _ever_ happen
[03:27] <Deffie> s/is now/is not
[03:27] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, may i say, BULL<cookies>!!
[03:28] <PacoBCN> hi guys, Can you give me some public dns servers? Mine are too slow
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: b/c i was going to get a g4 superdrive etc but they said no wifi driver and prolly never
[03:28] <Deffie> PacoBCN host -t ns yourprovider.tld
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i wanna get a mac mini deck it out purrrr
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: do you know of a linux ppc VoIP?
[03:29] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, so share it off your G3
[03:29] <jamesio> anyone have an idea why "out of the blue" my system wants to remove "ubuntu-desktop" in apt-get?
[03:29] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, my first mac-mini is goin under my driver seat (i drive a taxi) and will be full of music
[03:29] <Marble2> how can I make a .jar file out of a directory?
[03:30] <PacoBCN> Deffie, the ones my provider gave me are the one I'm using
[03:30] <mr_roboto> marble2: jar cvf <jarfile> dirname
[03:30] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, can skype not be compiled for PPC?
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: nice. Mplayer on there a small display
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: nope it can not i tried
[03:30] <sig> hybrid_goth: why not
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: I d/l the source and went to compile and i got errrors
[03:31] <Deffie> PacoBCN you can do that with any host, get an host that is near to you, in terms of latency (check with traceroute)
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> sig: b/c it is i386 src
[03:31] <sig> hybrid_goth: google some more then
[03:31] <PacoBCN> Deffie, the ones I've tried don't allow you to use them if your ip is not one of theirs
[03:31] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, saw a thang when the mini first came out showing a 5" touch screen
[03:31] <Deffie> PacoBCN you can setup a named too
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: hmm that would be nice to put in the cab and have like mplayer or vlc
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, did you ask uncle google the secret of compiling skype on ppc?
[03:32] <hussam> what exaclty will I lose if I don't incluse multiverse in sources.list ?
[03:32] <Deffie> PacoBCN and then use 127.0.0.1 as your nameserver
[03:32] <elcu> jamesio: don't rely on me for this, but iirc, removing ubuntu-desktop is ok. i forget how it fits in the system.
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, i just want a full-screen control panel (since i won't be surfing or writing thesis while i drive)
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, with big buttons
[03:32] <zoop_> Can anyone confirm that Java is broken on breezy? I'm having problems
[03:32] <Deffie> hi all, i'm using ubuntu 5.04 default installation, i've created a vfat partition to archive data, now i created an user to work on the partition and i set to him the partition on fstab, i'm copying data to that partition from network via ftp but looking at df /data is not growing, but /.dev is growing instead... :?
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, osx skype works great
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: would it work on ppc linux tho
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> ...
[03:33] <sig> hybrid_goth: it should yes
[03:33] <elcu> jamesio: search ubuntuforums.org for a better explanation
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> sig: for real
[03:33] <sig> try i
[03:33] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, osx is bsd based, linux is a wee bit different. ask uncle google for the secret
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[03:33] <mr_roboto> zoop: maybe that's the reason for the warning in the title against using breezy :)
[03:33] <sig> try it
[03:34] <mrw> anyone know how to make Gnome display the images in a slideshow like manner?
[03:34] <sig> Nalioth: not too different
[03:34] <hybrid_goth> it is a dmg
[03:34] <sig> if it can be done in bsd it can be done in linux
[03:34] <sig> skype is working on freebsd
[03:34] <sig> just fine
[03:34] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Yeah maybe, but I'd like to track this down.
[03:34] <sig> and it is using the linux src
[03:34] <elcu> mrw: you'll want an image viewer app for that.
[03:34] <mrw> kinda like what happens with a folder full of images on exp?  I can double click one, it is opened in a program, then I can click the right arrow and cycle through them
[03:34] <Nalioth> sig just enough for it not to compile some things
[03:34] <sig> Nalioth: wrong buddy
[03:35] <sig> linux compat
[03:35] <mrw> elcu, it opens in an image viewer, but it is listed as 1/1 :-/
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> sig: what do i do with the dmg
[03:35] <Nalioth> sig, well i'm a ./configure && make && make install kinda guy
[03:35] <mr_roboto> zoop: if you really need a working java, the sun one works great. not controlled by apt but everything installs into a single dir so it's VERY manageable
[03:35] <Nalioth> sig if it don't work with that, i'm lost
[03:35] <sig> Nalioth: great
[03:35] <JoeXCoolNJ> Does anybody know how to get the ALPS GlidePoint working under kernel 2.6? I have a Compaq R3000 series laptop and everything works flawlessly when I boot the live cd, but the touchpad is completely dead when I boot into the system installed on my hard drive.
[03:35] <sig> Nalioth: then I'm glad your new ubuntu system is borked and unstable
[03:35] <sig> :)
[03:35] <elcu> mrw: yep. iirc image viewer doesn't slideshow.  check out gqview.  it's my favourite image viewer
[03:35] <sig> because if your not using apt than your not being very smart
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> sig: how is that unstable
[03:36] <zoop_> mr_roboto: I've installed the SUN SDK 1.5.0update03...
[03:36] <sig> hybrid_goth: because it uses the apt system
[03:36] <Nalioth> sig this is the best running borked and unstable system ive run
[03:36] <mr_roboto> zoop: and you're having problems with it?
[03:36] <elcu> Nalioth: don't tell me you install dependencies from source as well...
[03:36] <zoop_> mr_roboto: But Eclipse crashes the JVM.
[03:36] <sig> it keeps track of packages that way
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: does the ibook g3 have a mic
[03:37] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Yes.
[03:37] <sig> Nalioth: you will eventually run into problems
[03:37] <sig> like when you want to upgrade
[03:37] <Nalioth> elcu, nope i cheat with build-dep
[03:37] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, yes it does, and speakers, too
[03:37] <osity> can anyone help with software raid here?
[03:37] <Nalioth> sig what do you advise, /msg is ok if nobody else in here wants to hear all this nerdy stuff
[03:37] <zoop_> mr_roboto: And MapleV which uses some IBM JRE also segfaults...
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i knew it had speaker- listen to A Perfect Circle right now- juss idk if it had a mic but cool
[03:38] <mr_roboto> zoop: you can't even start eclipse?
[03:38] <sig> Nalioth: I advise you use apt-get with the correct repositores or synaptic with the correct repositories.... "period"
[03:38] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, they say when you buy a Mac, you need pay for nothing else...(fw cards, usb cards, etc)
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> :D
[03:38] <Nalioth> sig so "apt-get source -b <pkgname>" is the way to go?
[03:39] <zoop_> mr_roboto: I can start it but after doing some things the JVM keeps crashing
[03:39] <hybrid_goth> except the mini
[03:39] <mr_roboto> zoop: i use eclipse here and use it on a major project
[03:39] <sig> using "apt-get" or "synaptic" is the way to go yes
[03:39] <sig> man apt-get for more information on src
[03:39] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, the mini still comes with fw/usb2
[03:39] <mr_roboto> zoop: what exactly do you do to make it crash?
[03:39] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Are you running breezy?
[03:39] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, apple usually puts the mic on the display
[03:40] <mr_roboto> zoop: no... hoary
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: but you got to buy a monitor keyboard and mouse
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> BYODKM
[03:40] <mr_roboto> zoop: i actually tried for a bit but went back to hoary after the warnings
[03:40] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Yes, in hoary Java works just fine...
[03:40] <sig> apple hardware is a rip off
[03:40] <sig> IMO
[03:40] <sig> :)
[03:40] <sig> too expensive
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> y?
[03:40] <mr_roboto> zoop: ahhh, I see.   well good luck with that!
[03:40] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Thanks :)
[03:41] <sig> technology is growing too fast to pay that much money for a system that will be way obsolete in 1 year
[03:41] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, the mini costs $499US. you buy it, and throw away your windoze bookend, reusing the perfectly good peripherals that were being sullied by it
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> 1 yr o_0
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: yea but if it is a first computer...
[03:42] <Nalioth> sig, my ibook g3 is over 3 years old and still runs fine (to my perceptions)
[03:42] <sig> ok
[03:42] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, if it is a first puter, go to walmart
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: get a 500$ linspire laptop
[03:42] <Nalioth> when last i looked, you could get a CRT 17" from walmart for >$100
[03:43] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, shut yo mouth!
[03:43] <stakkato> view our statement: http://stakkato.on.nimp.org/~hacked/statement.php
[03:43] <IIIEars> the mac mini is interesting -but it is missing a few things
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth:  rofl
[03:43] <ahuman01> how to get the cups-pdf printer working ? I want to save files as pdf
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> like a keyboard
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> mouse
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> monitor
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: dont you love linspire
[03:43] <IIIEars> and of course a decent bus speed - lol
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: it can run all you winblows apps ootb
[03:44] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, it is a debian distro
[03:44] <ells> I was talking about it earlier, is anyone having issues backing up the new dvds with the new encryption
[03:44] <thechitowncubs> Whats the difference between buffered and unbuffered memory?
[03:44] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, see above remark concering bulls (00tb, my butt)
[03:44] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: yea with wine built in
[03:44] <mr_roboto> thechitowncubs: one is buffered, the other not :O
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: it is like debian for nobody
[03:45] <sig> just buy a barebone laptop
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> while ubuntu is debian for everybody
[03:45] <IIIEars> Gave Linspire a shot - it installed then stalled at the demo intro - verification?
[03:45] <sig> way cheap then you can just slap *nix on it
[03:45] <thechitowncubs> Figured that out
[03:45] <thechitowncubs> is there a benefit to one or the other
[03:45] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, i think linspire will be safe from my input
[03:45] <thechitowncubs> i think i found the answer
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Linspire is alot like microsoft
[03:45] <sig> http://www.visionman.com/products/category.php?id=3#1U%20Barebones
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: roflmao
[03:46] <mr_roboto> thechitowncubs: well tell me, i'm curious what you mean by the term
[03:46] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, there is less likelyhood of data errors with buffered ram
[03:46] <IIIEars> If ubuntu hadvideo accelerationenabled on install i would be perfectly happy. - :)
[03:46] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, some higher end mission critical machines require buffered
[03:46] <mr_roboto> nalioth: how does it work? what's the idea of buffered?
[03:47] <mrw> elcu, is it in the repos?
[03:47] <elcu> mrw: yes
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> now what do i do with the dmg
[03:48] <mrw> elcu, when I apt-cache search it all I get is gthumb as the result?  Same thing or no?
[03:48] <Nalioth> mr_roboto, i believe it checks the data in and out more exactly
[03:48] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, what dmg?
[03:48] <elcu> mrw: no, you need to update your sources list: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:49] <concept10> is there a ubuntu live cd for PPC (Apple powerbook g4)
[03:49] <mrw> oh it is in the extra repos ok
[03:49] <Nalioth> concept10, there is
[03:49] <chiwawa_42> osity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[03:49] <mr_roboto> nalioth: more exactly? you mean something more than ECC? or is ECC what you mean by buffered ram?
[03:49] <osity> thanks chi
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: the skype dmg
[03:49] <chiwawa_42> osity: so you asked without even reading the official doc
[03:50] <chiwawa_42> osity: that's bad
[03:50] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, if you aint gonna run it on OSX, chunk it
[03:50] <Nalioth> mr_roboto, isnt buffered another name for ECC? i really have no idea, but thats what i thought
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> sig said it will work
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> sig: what do i do with the skype dmg
[03:50] <osity> chiwawa_42: what's bad?
[03:51] <chiwawa_42> osity: your lamer attitude
[03:51] <sig> chiwawa_42: he never said anything
[03:51] <mr_roboto> nalioth: well... that makes sense. i just never heard the term buffered ram so that's why i asked.
[03:51] <elcu> mrw: it's my personal favourite.  if it's not to your liking, you can always try one of the other hundred/s out there.  but no, you won't get the exact functionality xp has, you'll need to use a seperate app.
[03:51] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, you need the skype sources
[03:51] <osity> chi: you are the assuming lamer here.
[03:51] <sig> why don't you scroll up and look
[03:51] <chiwawa_42> osity: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[03:52] <osity> i have ready any article you can find with a simple search
[03:52] <ali4728> Help! how can I check what services are running on my ubuntu/computer?
[03:52] <osity> i have been on this shit for weeks
[03:52] <sig> chiwawa_42: whats your problem?
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: it says skype-i586
[03:52] <elcu> well, until nautilus integrates its own image viewer that is
[03:52] <chiwawa_42> osity: the link i just gave, i got it reading ubuntu's global wiki
[03:52] <osity> that doesnt help me
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> sig: what do i do with the skype dmg
[03:53] <osity> it says nothing about partitions ...i found that article a month ago...you are not a master googler ......
[03:53] <ali4728> Help! how can I check what services are running on my ubuntu/computer?
[03:53] <chiwawa_42> osity: sry but i've spent a few minutes for you that i would have used better on my own business if you took time to search properly
[03:53] <chiwawa_42> osity: that's anoying, not because you id, because most does
[03:54] <elcu> ali4728: you mean processes? top
[03:54] <ali4728> yeah
[03:54] <elcu> ali4728: alternatively, use the system monitor
[03:54] <elcu> ali4728: type 'top'
[03:54] <ali4728> thnx
[03:54] <elcu>  in a terminal
[03:54] <chiwawa_42> osity: when the information is easilly accessible, it's a shame you don't achieve to find it
[03:55] <osity> do you read bonehead>?  or do you just babble?
[03:55] <torpid> this is off topic guys, but worth a laugh for a geek.  i emailed an "intelligent design" supporter after i saw her name in an article on google news, about efforts to get ID in classrooms, and lessen evolution.
[03:55] <osity> stick that raid article up your #$%^&*(
[03:55] <lifeless> osity: hey, tone it down please
[03:55] <torpid> With respect to the evolution of proteins, and it's "low probability" she replied, "Mathematicians classify any event with a probability of less than roughly 10 ^ - 55 as "impossible".
[03:55] <osity> i told you it didnt help....now lay off
[03:56] <chiwawa_42> ok osity
[03:56] <chiwawa_42> got an ignore
[03:56] <osity> lifeless: just a bit ticked as chi's inability to read
[03:56] <Nalioth> osity, its not nice to point out peoples apparent faults (when they're trying to help you)
[03:56] <lifeless> osity: that doesn't justify such a hostile tone
[03:57] <osity> helping does not include calling someone lame
[03:57] <hybrid_goth> how do i empty my trash from the command line
[03:57] <osity> or is that the american way? i doubt it
[03:57] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, how many trash folders do you have?
[03:57] <osity> tone?  you can hear me?
[03:57] <osity> lalala
[03:57] <lifeless> I can hear you just fine
[03:58] <elcu> hybrid_goth: cd ~/.Trash
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: 1
[03:58] <elcu> Nalioth: multiple trash folders?!
[03:58] <Nalioth> elcu, i have found 3 trash folders on my system
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> elcu: whats after cd ~/.Trash
[03:59] <elcu> hybrid_goth: rm *
[03:59] <Nalioth> ~/.Trash is one, another is my HFS+ mounted drive/.Trash-username  and the other is at ~/.local/share/Trash/
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[03:59] <Nalioth> i got to wondering where all the space was going, and it was all hidden in .local
[04:00] <IIIEars> nice tip
[04:00] <elcu> /root/.Trash
[04:00] <gp_aaron> anyone been able to install xvidcap?
[04:00] <mr_roboto> ali4728: for n in `awk '/^[a-z] / {print $1}' /etc/services `; do ps -ef |grep $n|grep -v grep; done
[04:01] <osity> IIIEars:   can you give me a hand with paritioning for a raid 1 ? I beleive you have helped me before with this....
[04:01] <rhys-hynaws> Hey. Does anyone have a favourite program that parses php for wed dev?
[04:01] <rhys-hynaws> web*
[04:01] <chiwawa_42> osity: everything is explained is this document, you ned to do a expert install, and bypass it's bootloader setup to install lilo manually. I did it the same way on gentoo, it works just fine.
[04:02] <IIIEars> I appreciate your confidence. - but it wasn't me - sorry
[04:02] <mindspore> is there a good PHP IDE (non-commercial) that has a debugger that will allow me to step-through code?
[04:02] <chiwawa_42> it also gives a trick to not use a custom kernel if you're not able to build one
[04:02] <Nalioth> elcu i don't have a /root/.Trash
[04:02] <osity> IIIEars:  wrong dude then
[04:02] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore, if you find onelet me know
[04:02] <elcu> Nalioth: you do if you sudo su first
[04:02] <mindspore> rhys-hynaws, k
[04:03] <Nalioth> elcu i only use sudo, never a su heh heh
[04:03] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore,  what do you write your php in?
[04:04] <elcu> Nalioth: that's good.  i found that root trash folder in another distro actually when i deleted stuff as root.
[04:04] <elcu> :-)
[04:04] <IIIEars> lol@elcu
[04:04] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore, try phpeclipse
[04:04] <Nalioth> elcu, even when i ran YDL, i set up sudo
[04:05] <mindspore> rhys-hynaws, alot, mostly database
[04:05] <Nalioth> elsu imho, sudo is safety (i've learnt from experience, see?)
[04:05] <nicedreams> How do I get ubuntu to run my ~/.xinitrc script after loging in through gdm?
[04:05] <mindspore> rhys-hynaws, oh.. what do I write it in.. just text editor, hehe
[04:05] <elcu> Nalioth: you're right, which is why i said "that's good".
[04:05] <metalsand> Okay
[04:05] <metalsand> Great
[04:05] <metalsand> jus got off the phone will dell after an hour
[04:06] <mrw> vim is nice for syntax highlighting.  Then I setup an alias that quickly tails the last 6 entries of the php error logs so I can see where my error might be in the code.
[04:06] <metalsand> To disable my onboard Wireless LAN I have to REMOVE THE FREAKIGN CARD!
[04:06] <mrw> I hate debugging php
[04:06] <metalsand> God damnit.
[04:06] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore,  you are crazy lol
[04:06] <mrw> metalsand, ??
[04:06] <mrw> metalsand, in Ubuntu?
[04:06] <metalsand> I've been trying to configure my PCMCIA wireless card in Ubuntu forever
[04:06] <ali4728> Help Needed! I am running a webserver on my local machine and (apache/php) I wouldlike to send an email through a php web page
[04:06] <metalsand> But apparently it's conflicting with my internal card
[04:07] <Nalioth> metalsand, are they sure that THAT WILL deactivate it?
[04:07] <ali4728> I have Postfix mail sever running1 What do I have to configure to be able to send an email? Thanks (php code: http://pastebin.com/281961)
[04:07] <metalsand> Nalioth: Yes
[04:07] <elcu> mrw: how did gqview go?
[04:07] <mindspore> mrw: yeah, errors are easy enought o fix.. but, when you've got something like the wrong data in the wrong array.. that's where debuggers come in handy
[04:07] <Nalioth> heh heh
[04:07] <metalsand> :P
[04:07] <mr_roboto> ali4728: was that an ubuntu question?  :)
[04:07] <Nalioth> mrw, in his Dell box
[04:07] <sir-gold> metalsand: the conflict was only a guess
[04:07] <ali4728> yeah
[04:07] <metalsand> Nalioth: You'd unerstand why I used caps if you knew how long I'd been working at this
[04:07] <mr_roboto> ali4728: how so?
[04:07] <metalsand> I'm pretty sure I'm a record holder
[04:07] <ali4728> how do you mean?
[04:07] <Nalioth> metalsand, i have been seeing u in here quite a bit
[04:07] <mrw> mindspore, yeah I know, that's why I hate debugging php.  syntax errors are easy with the log but for anything else  ughhh It takes forever
[04:08] <metalsand> For most time spent on getting one hardware issue working in Ubuntu
[04:08] <ahuman01> anybody seen this cups problem ? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-19059.html
[04:08] <metalsand> At this point I'm not going to remove my mini PCI card
[04:09] <mindspore> mrw, I'd use Zend.. but I don't wanna shell out the bucks, lol
[04:09] <mrw> elcu, bam, yeah that's what I was looking for, thanks
 ubuntu question yes
[04:10] <mindspore> mrw, the maguma open studio looks promising.. but very buggy right now
[04:11] <jaggi> hi..
[04:11] <mr_roboto> ubuntu: well... in the sense that it's running on ubuntu i guess. anyway <shrug>
[04:11] <osity> anathema:  hey  mann.....
[04:11] <osity> how are ya,,,,
[04:11] <anathema> hey osity, good
[04:11] <osity> I've been waiting for ya to get on .,..
[04:11] <osity> :)
[04:11] <anathema> hows stuff wokring haha
[04:11] <jaggi> I'm having a problem... after I installed ubuntu, windows won't boot anymore -- when selecting it in the grub menu windows blue-screens
[04:11] <osity> it not....
[04:11] <anathema> doh
[04:11] <anathema> whats the problem /
[04:12] <osity> im stuck at the partitioning part....
[04:12] <osity> do you need swap when setting up the partitioner?
[04:12] <mrw> elcu, anyway to make it auto fit the image to the window all the time?
[04:12] <mindspore> jaggi: format mbr
[04:12] <jaggi> when looking at the fdisk of /dev/hda I see the partition table, but each line has:  Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[04:12] <anathema> ahh i cant remember what you're all doing exactly osity
[04:12] <mrw> so when I open huge images it will shrink them to the size window I open?
[04:12] <osity> raid1
[04:13] <jaggi> mindspore, not sure what you mean?
[04:13] <anathema> oh
[04:13] <anathema> haha
[04:13] <elcu> mrw: config-> image tab
[04:13] <mrw> elcu, yeah lol I found it right after I asked
[04:13] <mrw> thanks this was what I was looking for :)
[04:13] <mr_roboto> jaggi: did you move the partition during your install?
[04:13] <osity> you had walked me through some stuff then i had sent you a link with the howto.... but i get stuck setting up the patritiones properly
[04:13] <elcu> np
[04:14] <jaggi> windows does now go to the menu "there was an error on the last boot etc.  Safe Mode, Safe Mode with networking, etc." but even safe mode blue-screens
[04:14] <jaggi> no, I didn't change the windows partition, but I *did* let ubuntu establish its own partition tables..
[04:14] <osity> anathema: have you seen the partitioner?
[04:14] <ahuman01> anyone seen  this cups-pdf  problem ? http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/024015.html
[04:15] <jaggi> I had XP installed on the primary partition -- ubuntu "left it alone" but added partition 2 for the linux install, and partition 3 is an extended partition containing the swap partition
[04:15] <jaggi> when I ran fdisk prior to the ubuntu install -- when I had only XP installed -- I don't recall seeing "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary."
[04:15] <ksmurf> does anyone have experience getting twinview to work on an nvidia card (6600GT).?
[04:15] <mr_roboto> jaggi: that  should all be fine. sounds like it changed the windows partition somehow   like moved it
[04:15] <jaggi> but I'm not sure why ubuntu's partitioning damaged the windows xp partition's location (if that's the problem)
[04:16] <osity> anathema: i removed the 2 200GB i had and am just trying with 2 40GB for now to make sure its not a size compatability issue....got a few minutes?
[04:18] <jaggi> I wonder how to fix this..
[04:18] <jaggi> fdisk /mbr will not fix the partition table though, will it, mindspore?
[04:18] <jaggi> roboto, yeah.. still starts at 1.. here  /dev/hda1   *           1       20805    10485688+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:18] <jaggi> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[04:19] <mindspore> jaggi: no, but I'm not sure that is your problem
[04:19] <jaggi> start is 1, end is 20805..   some site mentioned ubuntu enables SATA or something... could that be related?
[04:19] <OmniColossus> I had XP installed first on the first partition
[04:19] <jaggi> yeah, it's normal for me too, omni.. whenever I've had dual boot systems
[04:19] <OmniColossus> theninstalled ubuntu with grub
[04:19] <jaggi> ahh, and and?  :)
[04:20] <jaggi> this is my first experience with ubuntu..
[04:20] <OmniColossus> but ubuntu instal made the 2nd partition (ubuntu) the bootable
[04:20] <ksmurf> does anyone have experience getting twinview to work on an nvidia card (6600GT).?  I could use some direction if someone has the time
[04:20] <OmniColossus> so the system would not bot
[04:20] <jaggi> first linux experience was maybe 11 years ago .. used slackware :)
[04:20] <OmniColossus> I then reenterd ubuntu install and set first partition as bootable again
[04:20] <OmniColossus> then exited
[04:20] <OmniColossus> and it worked fine
[04:21] <bestadvocate> anyone here use freeciv?
[04:21] <IIIEars> Grub is a problem had no trouble with Ubuntu installing if it used the entire hard drive - it wasn't so smooth as a dual boot install.
[04:21] <IIIEars> It didn't identify te partitions correctly.
[04:22] <bestadvocate> i cant for the life of me figure out how to start a single player game...
[04:22] <mr_roboto> i use grub on my laptop to boot between xp pro and ubuntu
[04:22] <mr_roboto> works fine
[04:22] <jaggi> omni, interesting.. this ubuntu install set the grub option "makeactive" which I think will re-establish the bootable state of the windows partition (1) if it needs to
[04:22] <bestadvocate> me too mr robato
[04:22] <mr_roboto> and grub on my desktop boot between suse and ubuntu with no problem
[04:22] <IIIEars> did you need to edit grub?
[04:22] <elcu> bestadvocate: uh, isn't it multiplayer only?
[04:23] <jaggi> I didn't have to edit grub.. but I can't get windows to boot without blue-screening
[04:23] <OmniColossus> well I didnt touch the grub configuration
[04:23] <mr_roboto> IIIEars... can't remember. I might have edited the boot menu
[04:23] <jaggi> I'm pretty sure the partition table has been modified
[04:23] <OmniColossus> I only used the ubuntu partition manager to make the first partition bootable again
[04:23] <OmniColossus> then exited the install
[04:23] <bestadvocate> elcu: i thought so too, till i read this on their FAQ:   "Once the client starts, select "start new game". Now edit your game settings (the defaults should be fine for a beginner-level single-player game) and press the start button."
[04:23] <IIIEars> Yep "" - that was tough for me - never done it before.
[04:24] <elcu> jaggi: so you partitioned before doing the ubuntu install?
[04:24] <elcu> bestadvocate: did you follow those steps?
[04:24] <OmniColossus> I was really scared cause after I had first installed ubuntu I couldnt boot at all ^^
[04:24] <jaggi> in fact, you know what ... I wouldn't have setup the partition tables like this anyway.  I'd have 3 primary partitions, while I figured I'd let ubuntu "automatically" handle partitioning its own way... I wanted to see what it would do -- maybe I'd learn something
[04:25] <OmniColossus> I am using 4 primary partitions
[04:25] <bestadvocate> elcu they arnt specific enoungh, or perhaps the deb package is set up diffrently...
[04:25] <jaggi> elcu, actually, thank you for reminding me!  I *did* run another linux boot cd before (not an install CD) and I setup partition 2 and 3, then I deleted those with ubuntu!
[04:25] <OmniColossus> I don't like using extended parttions if I can help it
[04:25] <bestadvocate> e
[04:25] <jaggi> my apology -- I'm glad you asked in that way ..
[04:25] <IIIEars> lol - i made the mistake of installing lilo think it would be easier - not! - i got an endless stream of zeros displayed onscreen. - lol
[04:25] <jaggi> during the ubuntu install I deleted those two primary partitions and then used ubuntu's auto-partitioning
[04:26] <bestadvocate> elcu: the program once started gives you "connect to freeciv server" instead of letting you change any setting....
[04:26] <m3jsh> can anyone take a look at this terminal output and tell me what is wrong? : root@anjin:/home/m3jsh # sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<2.6.10-5-386> xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:26] <m3jsh> bash: 2.6.10-5-386: No such file or directory
[04:26] <jaggi> I would have placed the primary partition as 2, and linux as 3, but I noticed ubuntu placed the swap partition as the last partition ..
[04:26] <jaggi> I think this is good
[04:26] <OmniColossus> so from the begining I made the 10gig primary parts and a primary part of the remaining space..... installed XP on the first primary first
[04:26] <mr_roboto> m3jsh: lose the '<' and '>'
[04:26] <jaggi> if I recall correctly, the last partition is in the outer-portion of the disk, which is faster or slower or something.. :)
[04:26] <IIIEars> having the swap partitiion last is more secure?
[04:27] <m3jsh> mr_robot: thank you
[04:27] <elcu> bestadvocate: /join #freeciv
[04:27] <OmniColossus> then in ubuntu install I killed the 2nd 10gig partion and use that space for its auto partitioning
[04:27] <elcu> :-)
[04:27] <bestadvocate> ah cool gratzy
[04:27] <jaggi> normally I do this:  Windows partition 1, Linux swap on 2, Linux (ext3) on 3.
[04:27] <OmniColossus> it made a 500meg swap and the remainder of the 10gig space for root
[04:28] <jaggi> but, come to think of it, aren't drives *still* using the same quantity of data bits though the data is stored in a more-dispersed space in the outer cylinders?
[04:28] <OmniColossus> it installed grub in the mbr but set the linux partion bootable (bad)
[04:28] <bestadvocate> elcu: it appears to be an echo chamber sadly
[04:28] <IIIEars> still curious why my drive size was reduced from 40g to 32g?
[04:28] <jaggi> anyhow, something to think about.  In the meantime, I need to find a way to get my windows partition booting :(
[04:29] <elcu> bestadvocate: someone posted something when i checked it.  maybe just wait a bit
[04:29] <darGor> i open video files with xine, all ok, but i dont have sound. Anyone know what's the problem ?
[04:29] <jaggi> (I don't know if it's more secure.. but I have a feeling that if the same amount of data is stored in a larger space, perhaps the data integrity is higher because the density is less.. *shrug*)
[04:29] <OmniColossus> I restarted ubuntu installer and used its manager to set the FIRST partition as bootable again (lighting icon)
[04:30] <IIIEars> jaggi - the grub conf tool didn't work for me. i used a text editor and a generic howto. (god bless google.)
[04:30] <OmniColossus> then it worked ok
[04:30] <mr_roboto> omnicolossus: can't you just do that from parted?
[04:30] <ali4728> How does Ubuntu PHP mail function work with (postfix MTA)?
[04:31] <OmniColossus> gurb seemed to have been set up ok by ubuntu install, I only changed it to default windows (dont hate me :)
[04:31] <abarbaccia> anybody use beep media player successfully?
[04:31] <jaggi> iii, to edit what??  :)
[04:31] <chris_ubuntu> Hello, I have a linux supported modem, and need a little guidance.  Would somebody give me a little direction?
[04:31] <OmniColossus> I could have done that from parted on the commandline, bu tI'm such a noob
[04:31] <IIIEars> Omni - lol - i understand
[04:31] <abarbaccia> chris_ubuntu, try going into system - admin - networking nad configuring it from there
[04:32] <elcu> abarbaccia: me
[04:32] <OmniColossus> I like ubuntu part editor
[04:32] <mr_roboto> qtparted is pretty darn nice
[04:32] <IIIEars> check the /boot directory for grub stuff.
[04:32] <abarbaccia> elcu, did you have to change anything because mine keeps freezing when i go to play a song
[04:32] <OmniColossus> right now i
[04:32] <ksmurf> does anyone have experience getting twinview to work on an nvidia card (6600GT).?  I could use some direction if someone has the time
[04:32] <elcu> abarbaccia: right-click -> prefs -> plugins -> output -> set to esd
[04:32] <OmniColossus> Im trying to get WPA working on the bg2200 wifi set
[04:33] <OmniColossus> I'm going through the tutrial
[04:33] <OmniColossus> tutorial
[04:33] <chris_ubuntu> abarbaccia, I have been there, but it does not autodetect it
[04:33] <micon> hey, can someone help me? ive burned the ubuntu install iso onto a disk, but for some reason it wont boot to setup.
[04:33] <chris_ubuntu> Any suggestions?
[04:33] <elcu> abarbaccia: in short, oss sucks
[04:33] <micon> i know my bios is configured to boot to cd..
[04:33] <abarbaccia> elcu, what if esd is not a choice
[04:33] <micon> right now im running a XP machine, but i dont thinik that matter correct?
[04:33] <OmniColossus> but when I did "make" it made in the unzipped folder and not in the /lib/modules/drivers/net/wifi
[04:34] <chris_ubuntu> micon, you probably need to burn a disc image instead of just the file.
[04:34] <elcu> abarbaccia: any other one beside oss?
[04:34] <micon> chris, i did burn the disc image.
[04:34] <OmniColossus> so now I'm not sure where to put everything
[04:34] <abarbaccia> elcu, im running breezy and i think they are trying to get away from esd
[04:34] <OmniColossus> there are lots of .o and .ko files in the unzipped forlder
[04:35] <abarbaccia> elcu, i got a different one to work eSound?
[04:35] <chris_ubuntu> micon, I am trying to private chat you?  Do you see my chat?
[04:35] <elcu> abarbaccia: ah, whoops, that was what i meant, sorry.
[04:35] <micon> yeah sorry
[04:35] <OmniColossus> anyone ahve experience with Insyde bios?
[04:35] <ksmurf> upon startup I have both my lcd screen and my tv working.  can anyone tell me how to have that when I'm working in gnome?  My card is a nvidia 6600 GT using nvidia's binary drivers
[04:35] <elcu> abarbaccia: choose that one!
[04:35] <IIIEars> micon - i usually use windows and the (free) isopowertoy - author alex feinman - likely the iso is burned as a file and not a disk image.
[04:36] <abarbaccia> elcu, it works now - thanks - but i dont think it compares to amarok
[04:36] <mr_roboto> IIIEars: you should check out k3b, very nice burning tool
[04:36] <IIIEars> yes - it is bettr than nero - but if you are new.... - lol
[04:37] <elcu> abarbaccia: to each his own i guess.  i don't need the complexity of amarok.
[04:37] <abarbaccia> verywell
[04:37] <jaggi> I don't know how to fix my windows :(
[04:37] <IIIEars> burned a few coasters with k3b before "Joliet" made any sense to me. - grin
[04:38] <mr_roboto> well cd's are cheap at least :)
[04:38] <ksmurf> jaggi MBR problem?
[04:38] <phasegen> anyone have trouble with dialup???  If I close my connection, I can't start it again without rebooting...  Am I doing something wrong, or just not doing something right?
[04:38] <abarbaccia> IIIEars, what does Joliet mean?
[04:39] <IIIEars> and the idea of burning a bootable webserver to DVD is intoxicating. - Hacked? No problem - reboot. - lol
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> abarbaccia: long file names
[04:39] <chris_ubuntu> Still looking for some guidance on a linux compat modem.  Anyone willing to have a dialog with me?
[04:39] <elcu> phasegen: personally, i use wvdial.
[04:40] <mr_roboto> jaggi: sorry, no idea how to fix your broken partition
[04:40] <mr_roboto> jaggi: i've had the same sort of problem before when i moved my windows partition above the 8gb line but you never even moved it
[04:40] <phasegen> I tried that, but it wouldn't let me sudo it, I had to actually log in as root
[04:41] <chris_ubuntu> Hot modem chat.  Seeking hot steamy modem chat!
[04:41] <elcu> lol
[04:41] <IIIEars> lol
[04:41] <phasegen> heh heh
[04:41] <Goebbels> anyone uses QEMU?
[04:42] <thechitowncubs> Is it possible to resize an ext3 partition?
[04:42] <elcu> chris_ubuntu: what sort of modem?
[04:42] <Goebbels> i have used apt-get install qemu, but Im having this problem after a "appereantly sucessfull" installation of W2k: "A disk read error occurred". Anyone can help?
[04:42] <Nalioth> anyone know the rpm command to export to tar.gz?
[04:42] <chris_ubuntu> elcu, I have a linux compatable Lucent.  I can tell you the model number if you like
[04:42] <elcu> thechitowncubs: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php
[04:43] <IIIEars> QEMU - nice.
[04:43] <thechitowncubs> thanks elcu
[04:44] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[04:44] <MuStR> wow I just pwnt gnome
[04:44] <MuStR> :[
[04:45] <jsgotangco> morning
[04:45] <MuStR> anyone know how to completely re-install gnome?
[04:46] <sir-gold> sudo apt-get --purge remove gnome
[04:46] <sir-gold> then sudo apt-get install gnome
[04:46] <MuStR> thanks, let me go do that
[04:47] <sir-gold> you have to do that when X isn't running
[04:47] <Nalioth> anyone? convrting src.rpm to tar.gz?
[04:47] <MuStR> hmm
[04:47] <sir-gold> at the login screen there should be an option for text-mode login
[04:47] <MuStR> what is the actual package name that will allow me to "purge" the gnome config files
[04:48] <sir-gold> thats what --purge does
[04:48] <MuStR> it gave me an error, saying there was no such package "gnome"
[04:48] <MuStR> and I'm on fluxbox at the moment...
[04:49] <MuStR> shouldn't I be able to uninstall and reinstall it from here?
[04:49] <MuStR> I've done so with KDE when I was on gnome
[04:49] <Nalioth> anyone know how to build src.rpms in ubuntu?
[04:51] <mindspore> apt-get is a damn miracle
[04:51] <chris_ubuntu> Still seeking hot steamy modem chat....  Can anyone give me some direction on setting up a linux compatable modem?
[04:52] <sir-gold> MuStR im not sure what the package name for gnome would be, the only think i see in synaptic is just 'gnome' nothing else looks right
[04:52] <ksmurf> upon startup I have both my lcd screen and my tv working.  can anyone tell me how to have that when I'm working in gnome?  My card is a nvidia 6600 GT using nvidia's binary drivers
[04:53] <chris_ubuntu> Help, I have fallen under the weight of my modem, and I can't get up
[04:53] <IIIEars> apt-get is awesome - tried a redhat 7.2 install once - two weeks reading about dependencies. - i gave up. lol
[04:53] <chris_ubuntu> Anyone willing to talk modems for a few minutos?
[04:54] <IIIEars> BSD is still that way from a base system.
[04:54] <elcu> IIIEars: don't the rpm based distros have a packaging system as well?
[04:54] <elcu> urpmi or some such?
[04:54] <IIIEars> yes - "YUM" isn't it?
[04:54] <micon> okay im back
[04:54] <hyphenated> elcu: for a long time, redhat didn't.
[04:54] <elcu> IIIEars: that's the one
[04:54] <micon> thanks chris_ubuntu , that worked for the image.
[04:54] <elcu> hyphenated: ah
[04:54] <chris_ubuntu> you are welcome Micon.  I thought it might
[04:55] <micon> but now im getting an error saying DSDT initrd something Notfound.
[04:55] <revelater> i need a program that will chart and trakc mutual funds, anyone know of any?
[04:55] <micon> revelater, Quickbooks?
[04:55] <sir-gold> revelater there are websies that can do that for you
[04:55] <revelater> quickbooks?
[04:55] <sir-gold> websites
[04:55] <revelater> but are there programs?
[04:56] <chris_ubuntu> Any modem experts lurking about?
[04:56] <revelater> websites have an agenda
[04:56] <IIIEars> 7.2 was in '97 0r '98 i think linus only first offered to a large group in '94
[04:56] <revelater> websites try to sell you something
[04:56] <micon> anyway, after i get to the start up screen for ubuntu.. it does a few things, then goes to a black screen, with a bunch of stuff and says.. blah blah blah DSDT initrd not found.
[04:56] <micon> anyone know how i can fix this
[04:56] <sir-gold> revelater yahoo finance
[04:56] <revelater> ok...
[04:56] <revelater> programs?
[04:57] <revelater> something streamlined, and buildt for mutual funds
[04:57] <revelater> built
[04:57] <problemlaa> help me: i can`t login........and the problem msg i got.. error while loading shared libraries : libgnutls.so.11 : cannot open shared object file: input/ouput error
[04:57] <cmss29> Still seeking modem help (under a new nic)
[04:57] <tritium> IIIEars, got to be 93
[04:58] <micon> i cant even install ubuntu.. Grrrr
[04:58] <IIIEars> almost. - lol 43
[04:58] <cmss29> micon, still having probs with the install?
[04:58] <IIIEars> oops yes . that might be right.
[04:58] <cmss29> chris_ubuntu test test test
[04:58] <elcu> cmss29: why not try and configure your modem manually?
[04:58] <micon> yes, DSDT initrd not found
[04:59] <micon> and it is stuck there.
[04:59] <micon> i tried doing the grub thing earlier, before i got the cd working, and that threw the same error..
[04:59] <cmss29> elcu, I need to set this up so my mom and dad can logon.  They are mid 60's.  To make it so they have to work from a terminal prompt is not realistic
[04:59] <problemlaa> help me: i can`t login........and the problem msg i got.. error while loading shared libraries : libgnutls.so.11 : cannot open shared object file: input/ouput error
[04:59] <IIIEars> it was a copy of the five thousand dollar Unix OS made by Sun.
[04:59] <cmss29> elcu, pointing a clicking is a challenge for them
[05:00] <micon> :-\
[05:00] <micon> why must linux hate me..
[05:00] <micon> grrr
[05:00] <elcu> cmss29: i meant just set it manually in networking rather than auto-detecting
[05:00] <IIIEars> linux is still in infancy.
[05:00] <cmss29> elcu, can you help me do it?
[05:00] <notig> is it possible to play isketch with linux ???? isketch = shockwave internet game .......
[05:00] <micon> yeah..well it hates me...because i cant even install ubuntu correctly
[05:00] <micon> :-X
[05:00] <tritium> IIIEars, ?
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: system->admin->networking
[05:01] <tizzy> can anyone help with a small problem????
[05:01] <sir-gold> notig, you need the flash plugin for linux
[05:01] <IIIEars> Why would anyone use windows if there were a good free alternative? - grin
[05:01] <tritium> micon, what's going on?
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: then wait a while until you can right click on the modem connection
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: then select properties
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: check "This device is configured"
[05:02] <cmss29> elcu, hang on.  I have to chat elsewhere for a few mins
[05:02] <mindspore> where does the apache2 executable get installed by default?
[05:02] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is pretty close to windows 3.1 in functions. - in security it's a homerun.
[05:02] <elcu> IIIEars: they've been brainwashed
[05:02] <tritium> mindspore, dpkg -L <packagename> to list the files in the package.  You can find it that way.
[05:03] <tizzy> is there an ubuntu developer channel???
[05:03] <tritium> tizzy, yes, but this is the proper channel for questions
[05:03] <mindspore> thank tritium
[05:03] <tritium> np
[05:04] <osity> when i try to dpkg -reconfigure  linux-image it says the package is not installed and no info available
[05:04] <osity> anyone know why?
[05:04] <sir-gold> linux-image isn't the full name
[05:04] <tritium> ^^^
[05:04] <osity> ya i put the full name...
[05:04] <osity> and got the same
[05:04] <sir-gold> and there is nothing to configure anyway
[05:05] <tritium> osity, if you didn't have a linux-image package installed, you'd have no kernel
[05:05] <m3jsh> guys, i'm an idiot, i uninstalled xlibmesa-gl and it effectively uninstalled gksudo and stuff and i can't access synaptic and that's not cool :-/
[05:05] <m3jsh> any ideas?
[05:05] <jamesio> quick question: on a 160gig+ drive, would you suggest ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem?
[05:05] <sir-gold> osity if you want to modify the kernel you have to get the source and recompile it
[05:05] <Nalioth> m3jsh, the terminal is your friend
[05:05] <tizzy> tritium: are there any known problems using /dev/dsp as i've got loads of apps which dont work (xmms, gnusound, sweep etc)
[05:05] <osity> linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386
[05:06] <osity> linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 is the name of the pacakge....
[05:06] <m3jsh> Nalioth: what do you presume I do. I reinstalled xlibmesa-gl, i didn't mention that, but gksudo has not returned
[05:06] <sir-gold> osity: why are you trying to do a reconfigure on it?
[05:06] <osity> for raid 1
[05:06] <elcu> m3jsh: uh, i think it's gksu
[05:07] <tritium> tizzy, are you running esd?  I think you've not configured the output of xmms, for example, to use esd
[05:07] <osity> it says to do it in a how to
[05:07] <sir-gold> osity what is the link to the howto?
[05:07] <Nalioth> m3jsh, "sudo apt-get install gksudo"
[05:07] <tritium> osity, why are you running dpkg-reconfigure on a linux-image anyway?
[05:07] <osity> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1/
[05:07] <Nalioth> elcu, its the long form of command
[05:08] <Nalioth> elcu, there is gksu and gksudo both
[05:08] <m3jsh> Nalioth and elcu: thank you
[05:08] <jeavis> how I can turn on my laptop fan
[05:08] <Nalioth> elcu ubuntu doesnt use "su" so does not include gksu
[05:08] <sir-gold> osity are you using warty, or the new hoary cd?
[05:08] <osity> hoary
[05:08] <Nalioth> aksu
[05:08] <osity> is hoary all setup?
[05:08] <tritium> osity, try using linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:08] <sir-gold> ah, those instructions are for warty
[05:08] <osity> oh
[05:09] <osity> so there is no update to this howto?
[05:09] <tizzy> tritium: dunno, the gui sound effects work fine, so does totem movie player and rythmbox but everything else i've installed either hangs or doesn't work :(
[05:09] <g14>  Does anyone know how to find the device (/dev/xxx) name of a recognized pci modem?
[05:09] <elcu> Nalioth: righto.  i tried to remove xlibmesa-gl via synaptic (cancelling of course) and it listed gksu but not gksudo
[05:09] <jeavis> how I can turn on my laptop fan
[05:09] <tritium> tizzy, sounds like the problem I described.  There are sound issues that are being addressed, yes, but in your case, I think you can configure your apps to use esd.
[05:09] <Nalioth> elcu funny how gksu is here, even tho ubuntu steers clear of 'su'
[05:10] <Nalioth> jeavis, start multiple compile jobs
[05:10] <metalsand> tritium: You've returned, care to continue helping me once you're all freed up? :D
[05:10] <tizzy> tritium: is that easy???
[05:10] <elcu> lol
[05:10] <metalsand> Nalioth: Funniest thing I've heard in this channel for a while :P
[05:10] <tritium> tizzy, yeah, not hard.
[05:10] <jeavis> Nalioth; How I do that
[05:10] <tritium> metalsand, what's the latest news on your situation?
[05:10] <osity> tritium have you setup sw raid before ?
[05:11] <tritium> osity, no, sorry...
[05:11] <Nalioth> metalsand, well he asked how to start his fans a'running. multiple compile jobs will do it
[05:11] <sir-gold> osity try linux-image-2.6.10.-5-386
[05:11] <metalsand> tritium: I called Dell to see if there was a way to disable it in BIOS... But, there's no way
[05:11] <sir-gold> err linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[05:11] <metalsand> So, he talked to his supervision and put me on hold for 5 minutes
[05:11] <Nalioth> jeavis compiling software is very CPU intensive, so usually fires up the fans quite well
[05:11] <tritium> metalsand, I tend to pop in and out when I get tired of working on my dissertation.  I try to be disciplined enough to not stay for very long periods...
[05:11] <metalsand> and came back to say "You can remove the PCI Card, just open the slot next to the back of the laptop and pull that out"
[05:12] <sir-gold> metalsand you might as well do that
[05:12] <osity> should the lilo be installed on the MBR or the ubuntu partition for raid1?
[05:12] <metalsand> Sir-gold
[05:12] <de_wizze> how long before the kernel guys deal with the annoying KVM switch bug with the mouse ?
[05:12] <tritium> metalsand, okay, so did you remove it?
[05:12] <metalsand> The problem is
[05:12] <metalsand> I use that 95% of the time
[05:12] <de_wizze> can anyone tell me that ?
[05:12] <sir-gold> metalsand just as a diagnostic step
[05:12] <metalsand> I want this for an ehtusiast reasoning: It hooks up to a 10 dBi omni step
[05:12] <jeavis> Nalioth; I want to turn on the fan
[05:12] <metalsand> Erm, omni directional antenna... I read step and my fingers just typed it and pressed enter :P
[05:12] <sir-gold> metalsand you can put it back when you get hostap working
[05:13] <metalsand> What if it breaks it again?
[05:13] <metalsand> I guess that's a good test to see if it's really that. I'll do it now.
[05:13] <sir-gold> then you will know what the problem is
[05:13] <tritium> I agree
[05:13] <metalsand> I'd really like to troubleshoot hostap further... I don't see why installing that would REMOVE wlan0 from network settings.
[05:13] <sir-gold> and if you get hostap working, do you really need the onboard wifi?
[05:13] <osity> should LILO be installed on the MBR or the new ubuntu partition for raid1? where does this puppy go?
[05:13] <metalsand> It doesn't even detect it anymore..
[05:14] <tritium> metalsand, is the module loaded?
[05:14] <sir-gold> metalsand maybe hostap is trying to load for the onboard, and crashing before it gets to the card
[05:14] <metalsand> sir-gold: Yes, I need to use a 2.5 foot 10 dBi antenna to use the PCMCIA card (It doesn't have a radio built in - it's made for use of external radios)
[05:14] <Nalioth> jeavis i don't know any way to have an "on off switch" for your fan. i do know that if you start a compile job (or jobs) your system will slow way down (but your fans will run)
[05:14] <metalsand> tritium: I'm not logged in right now, do you want me to remove the onboard card first before we procde?
[05:14] <xp_> can the ubuntu live cd detect laptop modems that are built in?
[05:14] <amaro> Where can I find MPlayer codecs for ubuntu package?
[05:14] <devnull> should i remove mono and its libs if i am going to install a newer version with a different installer ?
[05:15] <metalsand> jeavis: If it's not running then it doesn't need the fan.
[05:15] <Nalioth> xp_ if they are linux friendly
[05:15] <metalsand> I'm sure it's automated
[05:15] <jeavis> metalsand; my lap its very hot
[05:15] <tritium> metalsand, sure.  Again, I'm not sticking around too long.  I just popped in to check in on things.
[05:15] <metalsand> jeavis: A laptop fan won't make that much of a difference
[05:15] <metalsand> It's 80mm... The air displacement is minimal
[05:16] <elcu> amaro: i might be wrong, but i think you can use w32codecs
[05:16] <metalsand> tritium: Don't leave me. :x
[05:16] <Nalioth> jeavis so use it on a table
[05:16] <sir-gold> "my lap is very hot" that sounds almost dirty
[05:16] <metalsand> Hhahahahha
[05:16] <tritium> jeavis, is it  a Dell laptop, by chance?
[05:16] <jeavis> hp
[05:16] <metalsand> Mine's a Dell Laptop
[05:16] <metalsand> Why, tritium?
[05:16] <amaro> elcu, it's not in synaptic...
[05:17] <Nalioth> hp wow it does get hot (i'm surprised the fans aren't blowing 24/7, actually)
[05:17] <tritium> metalsand, some dell laptops can use the i8kutils to switch the fan on/off
[05:17] <m3jsh> Is there anyway to bypass this?: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-10_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:17] <m3jsh>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[05:17] <chris_ubuntu> Does anyone know how to find the /dev file for a pci modem that is recognized by the kernal is lspci?
[05:17] <sir-gold> most new laptops run hot enough to burn your lap, they wait until the last second to turn on the fans so it doesn't waste battery power
[05:17] <metalsand> Wow, that's crazy you know that, tritium
[05:17] <metalsand> You need to stay :P
[05:17] <elcu> w32codecs?  then you need to update your repo list: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:17] <metalsand> I don't trust the other people here. They're crazy.
[05:17] <Nalioth> friends kid got a hp 17" for xmas last year and that SOB blows like a harpooned whale WHEN NOTHING is going on
[05:18] <chris_ubuntu> Does anyone know how to find the /dev file for a pci modem that is recognized by the kernal is lspci?
[05:18] <metalsand> bleh
[05:18] <tritium> metalsand, there are lots of good people here.  You can trust them :)
[05:18] <metalsand> this screwdriver is too big, brb.
[05:18] <metalsand> tritium: I was joking -.-
[05:18] <sir-gold> yes, trust me...
[05:18] <metalsand> I love my dell 700m
[05:18] <metalsand> 1.6M centrino
[05:18] <Nalioth> metalsand, yes trust me....   :P
[05:18] <metalsand> so when it's idle, it scales to like 400Mhz
[05:18] <metalsand> aka NO heat... I can leave it on overnight and I can't hear a thing
[05:19] <osity> thanks everyone
[05:20] <benja> sl-modem-daemon (multiverse), Depends: sl-modem-modules-new  but it is not installable. Can someone fix it
[05:20] <Nalioth> metalsand, i can't stand that hp POS, for it to blow all the time ...even when just booted and sitting there, it blows (and you can hear it all over the house)
[05:20] <daniels> benja: that means that you need to compile the modules
[05:21] <benja> daniels, ok
[05:21] <makaveli> how do install a tar file
[05:22] <makaveli> ?
[05:22] <icebalm> you don't, you untar a tar file
[05:22] <devnull> can i add a debian source to my sources as to install a newer version of mono ?
[05:22] <makaveli> ok i downloaded a program and i want to install it how do i do that
[05:22] <daniels> devnull: breezy has 1.1.7 if you want bleeding edge
[05:22] <Nalioth> devnull, you may do as you like, but beware the consequences
[05:23] <makaveli> or it is a .rpm
[05:23] <icebalm> makaveli: extract the file and read the readme/install files in it
[05:23] <makaveli> icebalm it's a .rpm
[05:23] <makaveli> is that different
[05:23] <tritium> makaveli, is there no equivalent package in the ubuntu repositories?
[05:23] <makaveli> or i should say how would i install it
[05:23] <icebalm> makaveli: yes, you can use alien to convert it into a .deb and install it
[05:23] <makaveli> no i can't find something for a 3d desktop in ubuntus repsoitories
[05:24] <devnull> well i am going to need to use development versions of some software
[05:24] <Nalioth> makaveli, there are 3d desktop things there
[05:24] <elcu> makaveli: 3ddesktop?
[05:24] <makaveli> what are they called?
[05:24] <ksmurf> How come I lose my tv display when gnome starts up?
[05:24] <tritium> makaveli, there's a 3ddesktop in universe
[05:25] <abarbaccia> ksmurf, probably your xorg.conf file not configured correctly - or resolution too high
[05:25] <makaveli> i just searched again and came up with nothing
[05:25] <tritium> makaveli, you must not have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:25] <makaveli> no i don't how would i add that
[05:25] <makaveli> i wonly have binary for hoary
[05:25] <Nalioth> makaveli google the ubuntulinux.org site for "restricted formats" and it will tell you
[05:26] <ksmurf> abarbaccia My lcd screen is good and tv is good until gnome starts.  then I lose the tv. Nvidia card with bin driver if that matters
[05:26] <makaveli> ok i will try that
[05:26] <mindspore> has anyone got PHPEclipse with debugging setup successfully?
[05:26] <tritium> makaveli, it's as simple as commenting out 2 lines in the file.  Just look for the lines with "universe"
[05:26] <tritium> sorry, uncommenting them
[05:26] <metalsand> Bleh
[05:26] <metalsand> I just opened it up
[05:27] <amaro> elcu, you are right
[05:27] <metalsand> and... Yeah, I have NO idea what I'm looknig at
[05:27] <makaveli> ok
[05:27] <amaro> elcu, I didn't have my repositories updated
[05:27] <metalsand> I've added/removed thousands of PCI cards
[05:27] <metalsand> But never a laptop mini-PCI card
[05:27] <metalsand> This looks difficult
[05:27] <jamesio> would you guys recommend reiserfs or ext3 for a 300gig drive?
[05:27] <metalsand> isnt' there just a hotplug script in Ubuntu that can NOT load that up?
[05:27] <elcu> amaro: cool.  so you got them working?
[05:27] <JoeXCoolNJ> mini-PCI are easy to take out. There's a slot at one end and 2 clips at the other, just like old-style memory
[05:27] <metalsand> I really don't want to start tinkering with this
[05:27] <Nalioth> jamesio, who prefers apples over oranges
[05:28] <JoeXCoolNJ> plus a wire bundle or 2 with a plastic connector
[05:28] <Nalioth> jamesio, who like blue over red?
[05:28] <jamesio> well, I prefer peaches...
[05:28] <amaro> elcu, not yet.. im doing the public key thing...
[05:28] <amaro> I'll tell you if I see it
[05:28] <amaro> just a min
[05:28] <Nalioth> jamesio, it makes little or no difference, i believe they are both journaled file systems
[05:28] <metalsand> YEah, that's what it looks like JoeX
[05:28] <metalsand> JoeXCoolNJ
[05:28] <metalsand> But, I don't think it's just as easy as yanking it out
[05:29] <amaro> elcu, I found it! It's there!
[05:29] <amaro> elcu, thank you!
[05:29] <JoeXCoolNJ> you have to release the 2 clips, then it will pop up slightly. then you ease it out of the slot - you may have to rock it a bit
[05:29] <tritium> jamesio, ext3 is the more conservative choice.
[05:29] <elcu> amaro: :-) np
[05:29] <JoeXCoolNJ> and you take off the wires either before or after, whichever is easier
[05:30] <ksmurf> abarbaccia any hints on how my xorg should be configured?
[05:30] <tritium> jamesio, in fact, I'd had filesystem corruption with reiserfs
[05:30] <jamesio> tritium, thanks.  that's enough for me
[05:30] <jamesio> setting up a lot of drives is a pain though
[05:30] <tritium> jamesio, that's just one person's experience, so take it for what it's worth
[05:30] <g14> Hans Reiser said stability wasn't the #1 concern for Reiser4, speed was
[05:31] <g14> And I agree with tritium
[05:31] <jamesio> ok, ext3 is it.
[05:31] <jamesio> I set up my 40 gig boot that way
[05:31] <jamesio> and the secondary 80 gig drive
[05:31] <metalsand> g14: I checked out knoppix
[05:31] <metalsand> Burned the iso onto a DVD
[05:31] <jamesio> finished off the internal drives with ext3 (took about 10 minutes to do 6 drives)
[05:32] <g14> metalsand, knoppix, or whoppix? Knoppix is pretty cool for someone who has never seen linux
[05:32] <metalsand> Very cool. Of course neither of my wireless cards worked and I couldn't run anything, but that's a really awesome setup
[05:32] <metalsand> whoppix*
[05:32] <jamesio> I'm doing all of this over freenx.  it works great
[05:32] <goldfish_> i got whopppix too
[05:32] <goldfish_> looks cool
[05:33] <goldfish_> i need to set up ndiswrapper on it though
[05:33] <devnull> where can i find the breezy repository
[05:33] <g14> You actually have to understand how to use most of the tools to hack with whoppix, but it is the most complete linux distro for penetration testing out there
[05:34] <goldfish_> yeah i bought hacking exposed fourth edition, trying to learn about that whole area
[05:34] <tritium> devnull, take a quick peek at the topic before you decide to run breezy.
[05:34] <Nalioth> g14 can you spare some knowledge? how to convert src.rpms to tar.gz?
[05:34] <sir-gold> is breezy really that bad?
[05:34] <g14> Nalioth, sudo rpm -i whatever.src.rpm
[05:34] <devnull> i just want it for mono
[05:35] <g14> Nalioth, cd /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES
[05:35] <g14> Nalioth, tar -zxvf whatever.tar.gz
[05:35] <sir-gold> devnull did you try adding the same lines to sources.list as normal, but change hoary to breezy?
[05:36] <metalsand> Alright
[05:36] <metalsand> I removed the mini PCI card
[05:36] <chillywilly> ooops, I am using breezy..will I be publicly flogged now?
[05:36] <metalsand> Scaaaary.
[05:36] <Nalioth> g14 thx, i got the last parts, just forgot the -i
[05:36] <metalsand> mini PCI is seriously mini
[05:36] <devnull> not quite yet sir-gold
[05:36] <anethema> chillywilly, yes
[05:36] <anethema> heh
[05:36] <chillywilly> great
[05:36] <chillywilly> I love pain
[05:36] <tritium> chillywilly, would you like to be?  ;)
[05:36] <metalsand> How's it going, anethema :P
[05:36] <g14> Nalioth, No prob. I know redhat linux inside and out and am very new to the debian world
[05:36] <anethema> at the very least dont ask questions on how to get stuff working on a pre-testing OS :)
[05:36] <anethema> hey metalsand
[05:36] <chillywilly> YES!
[05:37] <anethema> any luck since last week? haha
[05:37] <metalsand> okay tritium: It's removed
[05:37] <metalsand> I'm going to boot back into Ubuntu
[05:37] <chillywilly> actually I am running breezy at work too
[05:37] <anethema> goooo metalsand!
[05:37] <tritium> metalsand, okay
[05:37] <anethema> haha
[05:37] <chillywilly> double your pleasure!!
[05:37] <anethema> good luck
[05:37] <ksmurf> How do I add my tv display to my xorg.conf .... I'm such a noob
[05:37] <Nalioth> g14 cooperation makes the world go round
[05:37] <tritium> ksmurf, nvidia?
[05:37] <ksmurf> tri Yes
[05:38] <metalsand> Actually, electromagnetic fields make the world go round. :P
[05:38] <tritium> ksmurf, great.  /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz has a good section on "TwinView"
[05:38] <sir-gold> metalsand i thought it was just momentum
[05:38] <anethema> yeah, momentum
[05:38] <anethema> thats suure what it is
[05:38] <crimsun> ksmurf: Primer also has example XF86Config(s) on sh.nu/nvidia
[05:38] <chillywilly> *cope
[05:38] <ksmurf> tritium Thanks I'll check both those out
[05:39] <jamesio> ok here's a silly question.  I'm setting up a bunch of drives and pretty much just need them to be "data1, data2, etc"
[05:39] <tritium> ksmurf, cool :)
[05:39] <jamesio> I'm guessing I make dirs called "data1" and such in the root and mount them against it
[05:39] <jamesio> is that correct?
[05:39] <sir-gold> jamesio, yes, but you might want to put them in /mnt
[05:40] <jamesio> ok
[05:40] <metalsand> tritium: iwconfig is showing no wireless devices :D
[05:40] <chillywilly> *yawn*
[05:40] <sir-gold> its just a matter of prefernce
[05:40] <chillywilly> getting late
[05:40] <Nalioth> as usual it dont work even after converting to tgz .. .. ..
[05:40] <metalsand> tritium: No conflictions now, so... Where do we begin?
[05:40] <goldfish_> 4:41am hmmmmm
[05:40] <tritium> metalsand, can you double-check that the module is loaded?
[05:40] <Nalioth> **#*@(g PPC
[05:40] <wasabi> I cannot enable DMA on my cdrom drive. It is off right now. How can I enable it?
[05:40] <wasabi> hdparm says operation not permitted
[05:40] <tritium> using sudo?
[05:40] <goldfish_> hmmmm
[05:40] <wasabi> yes
[05:41] <anethema> anyone know the vlc keyboard shortcuts
[05:41] <anethema> like skip ahead 5-10 seconds?
[05:41] <metalsand> tritrum: sudo modprobe grep hostap
[05:41] <metalsand> ?
[05:41] <wallflower> applekey+options+arrow key
[05:41] <wallflower> ;)
[05:41] <anethema> haha
[05:41] <metalsand> ?
[05:42] <anethema> yes ill just press my apple key
[05:42] <anethema> hehe
[05:42] <tritium> metalsand, that would load it.  first lsmod | grep hostap
[05:42] <crimsun> anethema: they're listed in the menus
[05:42] <metalsand> Oh, right... lsmod.
[05:42] <wallflower> thats how you do it on the mac
[05:42] <metalsand> It isn't loaded
[05:42] <metalsand> I never put "hostap" in /etc/modules
[05:42] <metalsand> Shall I now?
[05:42] <anethema> crimsun, i dont see them listed anywhere
[05:42] <tritium> metalsand, please.  That will load it in the future when you boot/
[05:43] <jamesio> sir-gold, thanks.  I got one set up...
[05:43] <metalsand> tritium: done
[05:43] <metalsand> tritium: Now modprobe hostap?
[05:43] <tritium> metalsand, okay, yes.
[05:43] <chillywilly> g'night ladies/gents
[05:43] <tritium> goodnight, chillywilly
[05:43] <metalsand> okay, now lsmod reads, "hostap 123976 0"
[05:44] <tritium> super
[05:44] <jamesio> other than rsync, you guys got any tricks of copying files from one drive to another?
[05:44] <metalsand> That means the module is running, correct?
[05:44] <tritium> yep
[05:45] <stetyR> hello
[05:45] <metalsand> tritium: Next step?
[05:45] <metalsand> So it's running, but my card isn't detected
[05:45] <stetyR> you speak spanish?
[05:45] <crimsun> anethema: Settings>Hot keys?
[05:45] <hyphenated> jamesh: is there something about rsync that makes it unsuitable for you?
[05:45] <crimsun> anethema: otherwise, use http://www.videolan.org/doc/play-howto/en/ch03.html#id2529580
[05:45] <tritium> metalsand, still no?
[05:45] <metalsand> I know it works, and I know the PCMCIA slot works...
[05:45] <elcu> wasabi: might be worth a look: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27500
[05:45] <thechitowncubs> Gnome uses GTK, what does KDE use? it doesn't seem as fluid...
[05:45] <crimsun> thechitowncubs: Qt3
[05:45] <hyphenated> jamesh: sorry, that was for jamesio
[05:46] <metalsand> tritium: When I iwconfig nothing is even there except for lo and my 56k modem
[05:46] <Nalioth> stetyR, #ubuntu-es
[05:46] <tritium> metalsand, and you're sure hostap supports this card?
[05:46] <elcu> wasabi: specifically heimo's post.
[05:46] <metalsand> Yes, tritium.
[05:47] <thechitowncubs> Does KDE have an app like Glade?
[05:47] <tritium> metalsand, I don't know...I'm stumped
[05:47] <wasabi> It's a cddrive.
[05:47] <wasabi> I found that Ubuntu sets a kernel option to disable it
[05:47] <revelater> anyone here play bagpipes?
[05:47] <wasabi> which i find totally stupid.
[05:47] <chiwawa_42> thechitowncubs: the good apps use GTK, the good desktop environment use Qt
[05:48] <thechitowncubs> chiwawa: nice opinion
[05:48] <sir-gold> thechitowncubs http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/glade-users/2003-June/001407.html
[05:48] <metalsand> Ummmm.
[05:48] <sumadartson> does anyone use xfce?
[05:48] <chiwawa_42> thechitowncubs: well, for me it's a problem, not just an opinion
[05:48] <metalsand> Great, I just apt-get remove evolution
[05:48] <tritium> I believe it can be bad for certain hard drives if it's enabled.
[05:48] <elcu> wasabi: so you got it enabled?
[05:48] <geneo93> funny thing ubuntu cant find my scanner again
[05:48] <metalsand> and... It just said it was removing ubuntu-desktop
[05:48] <wasabi> elcu, no.
[05:49] <wasabi> elcu, looks like it takes a kernel recompile.
[05:49] <wasabi> Which I find utterly retarded.
[05:49] <tritium> metalsand, yes, that will happen
[05:49] <metalsand> So now when I boot next time it will just be a command prompt?
[05:49] <chiwawa_42> thechitowncubs: if I can get a job to do that, i'd be happy to work on a fusion project for gtk/qt :D
[05:49] <sir-gold> thechitowncubs did you look at kdevelop?
[05:49] <thechitowncubs> I know what you mean chiwawa, I used KDE for a few days, it did seem a little more responsive, but I like the overall feeling of Gnome a lot more... plus it seams like it has a brighter future
[05:50] <tritium> metalsand, no, not at all
[05:50] <thechitowncubs> Actually, I just was curious about what the glade alternative was for kde
[05:50] <metalsand> Oh... Well, why would it say removing ubuntu-desktop?
[05:50] <Tuxicity> If I were to install a Debian .deb package on Hoary, should I get it from "testing" or "unstable"? Which package *should* work best on Hoary?
[05:50] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: its a meta package, its just a list of default packages for a fresh install
[05:50] <tritium> It's just a meta-package that depends on other package to provide a nice desktop environment.  Nothing was actually removed.
[05:50] <thechitowncubs> hehe
[05:50] <chiwawa_42> thechitowncubs: i've used KE for 5 years, i really fell more comfortable in it than in gnome, wich is just a bunch of unmatched software... I like KDE's way to integrate solutions
[05:51] <metalsand> Hrmmm. I don't quite understand that, but I'll tust you guys :P
[05:51] <tritium> metalsand, when it comes time to upgrade to breezy, you may want to reinstall ubuntu-desktop, but for now you're fine
[05:51] <crimsun> Tuxicity: using packages from external repos is strongly recommended against
[05:51] <thechitowncubs> chiwawa: gnome will become more efficient, it seems like it is progressing everyday
[05:51] <revelater> i don't like gnome, IMHO, fluxbox has the brightest future
[05:52] <sir-gold> metalsand ubutu-desktop is kinda like egg-carton, you remove an egg and you no longer have a carton
[05:52] <IIIEars> I need info on my video card - what is the command to probe hardware and print that to the screen?
[05:52] <chiwawa_42> thechitowncubs: if gnome ends up with a decent file manager, i'd probably give it another try
[05:52] <revelater> gnome uses too much resources
[05:52] <geneo93> crimsun:  can you tell me why ubuntu wiped my scanner conf
[05:52] <revelater> is too big and slow
[05:52] <crimsun> revelater: gnome is an environment, though, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison
[05:52] <metalsand> Uhm, if you remove an egg there's still the carton with all the other eggs.
[05:52] <thechitowncubs> revelater: fluxbox, brightest future?
[05:52] <metalsand> :P
[05:52] <revelater> and it is way to difficult to personlize and adjust
[05:52] <thechitowncubs> BTW, has anyone tried Luminocity?
[05:52] <crimsun> revelater: if anything you need to be contrasting metacity and fluxbox
[05:52] <metalsand> I'm surprised Ubuntu takes up so much memory... 116 MB while running only terminal
[05:52] <chiwawa_42> crimsun: no, gnome is _not_ an environment, it's not deepmly integrated as kde is
[05:52] <anethema> mmm gnome
[05:52] <sir-gold> metalsand, well yeah, but it doesn't remove the other eggs, i couldn't think of a metter analogy
[05:53] <Nalioth> anyone know what happened to the nice weather tool in Evolution?
[05:53] <concept10> how do I boot the ubuntu live cd on a powerbook?
[05:53] <chiwawa_42> thechitowncubs: luminocity is just a visual gadget for geeks
[05:53] <revelater> crimsun, what is metacity?
[05:53] <JoeXCoolNJ> has anybody had any luck getting an Alps Glidepoint working under kernel 2.6?
[05:53] <crimsun> chiwawa_42: that's an interesting opinion
[05:53] <chiwawa_42> concept10: hold down the C key
[05:53] <sir-gold> concept10 hold c
[05:53] <thechitowncubs> chiwawa, I know what it is...
[05:53] <JoeXCoolNJ> it works on the live cd, but not installed to the hard drive
[05:53] <concept10> I never used mac before
[05:53] <concept10> hold down C during boot?
[05:53] <sir-gold> yes
[05:53] <hyphenated> metalsand: you'll probably find that a big chunk of it is memory used for caching recently accessed files
[05:53] <crimsun> revelater: it's a window manager (gnome 2.x's), just as fluxbox is
[05:53] <concept10> thxz
[05:53] <daniels> can we please not have gnome/kde wars in here?
[05:53] <tritium> metalsand, well, I better go.  Sorry we didn't get the hostap stuff working.
[05:53] <thechitowncubs> and chiwawa, you can have an opinion about gnome but whatever you say, its an enviornment
[05:54] <chris_ubuntu> Does anyone know how to find the /dev file for a pci modem that is recognized by the kernal is lspci?
[05:54] <IIIEars> lol@daniels
[05:54] <chiwawa_42> daniels: it's not a war, i'm fighting for peace and cooperation
[05:54] <metalsand> tritium: Weird habbit, but that's okay. No one really knows what's wrong
[05:54] <tritium> metalsand, what is?
[05:54] <metalsand> Well, I'm sure someone with this card and this kernel does... But yeah. :P
[05:54] <revelater> crimsun: all i know is that, running gnome, i have ALL of my ram taken up
[05:54] <Tuxicity> crimsun, there is no BZFlag 2.0 for Hoary. What could happen if I install just that one package from Sid/Sarge?
[05:54] <metalsand> The quick checking in... Lol
[05:54] <chiwawa_42> daniels: the solution is to build gnome apps over a qt/kde basis
[05:54] <crimsun> Tuxicity: I'd check the package dependencies first, but it should flow right in
[05:55] <metalsand> I guess it's a good habbit, I'm just so used to sitting on my computer for 5 hours at a time :P
[05:55] <revelater> crimsun: where as my whole system with fluxbox takes only about 45 megs :P
[05:55] <tritium> metalsand, well, I need breaks every now and then, so I come in here and hang out with all you cool people
[05:55] <daniels> chiwawa_42: that's no more useful than saying 'let's rewrite all kde apps in gtk using gnome libs'.  it's not useful, or sensible, or helpful.  nor is it on-topic for this channel.
[05:55] <crimsun> revelater: well if I run Linux 2.0.36 on my i386, I "use less RAM" than with 2.6.10 - the point being that it's all up to the user's definitions and uses.
[05:56] <chiwawa_42> daniels: i'm conviced gtk is the best api, but it has a poor underlaying design, where Qt has been designed as an integrate platform
[05:56] <revelater> crimsu: shouldn't the newer kernels be more efficient?
[05:56] <daniels> chiwawa_42: that's good, but it's not relevant to this channel, nor will it be useful to solve any problem in general
[05:56] <chiwawa_42> thus allowing kde to be more integrated and to provide solutions where gnome brings problems
[05:56] <revelater> crimsun: sorry
[05:56] <JoeXCoolNJ> Anyone? Anyone?
[05:56] <revelater> crimsun: didn't register the n
[05:56] <daniels> chiwawa_42: if you want to go convince #gnome-hackers and #kde-devel, then please go do so, but it's just generating noise in here
[05:56] <metalsand> Holy crap
[05:56] <metalsand> What's evolution-alamr-notify
[05:56] <crimsun> revelater: the new kernels scale much better than the older ones, yes. There're always a few tradeoffs. ;)
[05:57] <metalsand> Oh, nm.
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> lol
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> its an alarm
[05:57] <revelater> crimsun: what do you mean by scale?
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> that notifies you
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> adjust
[05:57] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: it works fine
[05:57] <chiwawa_42> daniels: well, you're certainly right, and as you got the @, I better have to STFU
[05:57] <metalsand> I thought Linux would be a lot less stressful
[05:57] <crimsun> revelater: 16, 32, 64 cpus
[05:57] <metalsand> I didn't expect 120 megs
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: it handles ram more efficiently
[05:57] <revelater> crimsun: isee
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> its one of the biggest mis conceptions
[05:58] <metalsand> My windows XP box runs about 80 megs
[05:58] <revelater> metalsand: you are in terminal?
[05:58] <crimsun> Linux caches aggressively. It's _normal_ (and expected) that one has very little free physical memory
[05:58] <metalsand> I closed it
[05:58] <JoeXCoolNJ> crimsun: it's working fine booted to the live cd, but not when I boot to the hdd. any idea where I should start looking?
[05:58] <thechitowncubs> Windows XP has to load the application fully... its not cached in any way
[05:58] <hyphenated> metalsand: type in 'free', and have a look at how big the '-/+ buffers/cache' amount is
[05:59] <thechitowncubs> even when programs are closed, you'll notice ram being taken up
[05:59] <revelater> metalsand: are you running gnome?
[05:59] <metalsand> Hrmmm. Why does Firefox take 15 seconds to start then :P
[05:59] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:59] <JoeXCoolNJ> my pointer doesn't move at all or respond to any button clicks
[05:59] <metalsand> If it caches
[05:59] <thechitowncubs> its not being "permanently used", but it is caching for faster boot times of the application, plus it will also give up RAM to applications that are in need of it
[05:59] <metalsand> Says it's "used 339 megs"
[06:00] <Nalioth> metalsand, firefox is not coded well, in my opinion, it really suck CPU on both my OSX and linux machines
[06:00] <metalsand> Nalioth: It runs on this current machine within a second
[06:00] <sir-gold> kubuntu doesn't really play nice with with 64 meg of ram total i have 5 meg free physical and it swaps like crazy when i run anything
[06:00] <Tuxicity> crimsun, then coming back to my 1st question, in theory should Hoary's deps look more like those of Sid/Sarge(currently)?
[06:00] <hyphenated> Nalioth: I find it only does that when I have some animated images or embedded flash stuff in the page
[06:00] <chiwawa_42> metalsand: with a full DE an a bunch of heavy graphical apps, linux is _not_ lightweight
[06:00] <crimsun> Tuxicity: difficult to say. At this point, more like Sarge's in some cases.
[06:00] <hyphenated> Nalioth: disabling those helped a lot
[06:01] <metalsand> DE?
[06:01] <sir-gold> Tuxicity: for the most part they do
[06:01] <chiwawa_42> metalsand: Desktop Environment
[06:01] <Nalioth> i've only used macs for the last 3 years, and have found ff to be a hog
[06:01] <metalsand> chiwawa_42: I'm currently running nothing in gnome... I wouldn't say there's a lot of heavy graphical apps :x
[06:01] <tarkan> hi everybody
[06:01] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: no reason to worry about memory usage unless you are running on low memory or are using buggy apps :)
[06:01] <chiwawa_42> metalsand: gnome is the heaviest
[06:01] <Nalioth> hyphenated, unfortunately the "swf_play" on my machine here has been er disabled, as it sucks all available CPU when it TRIES to work
[06:02] <revelater> metalsand: are you running the desktop enviroment though?
[06:02] <metalsand> revelater: Yes.
[06:02] <thechitowncubs> running in a low amount of memory (<256mb)*
[06:02] <revelater> metasland: that alone should take more than it says it is using :P
[06:02] <metalsand> revelater: I'm just worrying about games and stuff
[06:02] <tarkan> can anybody help me plz????
[06:02] <metalsand> I thought an advantage to user Linux would be low memory use
[06:02] <tarkan> help! I need somebody Help.!
[06:02] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: ask your qquestion first, then you'll see
[06:02] <metalsand> So new games could use an extra 50 megs of memory or so when that's needed.
[06:03] <revelater> metalsand: don't worry about it, when the system needs more memory it will clear some out
[06:03] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: I play Counter-Strike and it runs just as it would in windows, w/ gdesklets, xchat,firefox running on 512mb of memory on a 2500+
[06:03] <tarkan> ok
[06:03] <nullvoid> hi all I am using IBM T22 - S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 13); I saw people are getting 1400x1050 but I only have 1024x768 even I had follow their instruction to change xorg.conf but the modification doesn't give effect.
[06:03] <metalsand> I'm just a system resource nut
[06:03] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: you're just gonna have to forget about it :)
[06:03] <metalsand> Everything that I didn't need in Windows was disabled, all of the 70 or so services...
[06:03] <metalsand> Okay, forgotten
[06:03] <metalsand> So, help me fix my PCMCIA card
[06:03] <tarkan> i just installed for the very first time ubuntu on my pc
[06:03] <chris_ubuntu> Can anybody help me with a modem issue?
[06:03] <revelater> metalsand: i am the same way
[06:03] <tarkan> everything works just fine
[06:04] <tarkan> except
[06:04] <tarkan> one thing
[06:04] <nullvoid> chris: just ask dont ask to ask
[06:04] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html <- for your next question, don't forget to read this first
[06:04] <revelater> metalsand: ' use only what is needed, keep the rest for what is wanted alter'
[06:04] <revelater> *later
[06:04] <metalsand> Good quote ;)
[06:04] <tarkan> I cant connect my sonyericsson p800 phone via usb craddle to the pc
[06:04] <Mahl> If I were to upgrade my graphics card...what would I have to do within Ubuntu? would it boot or would it fail to start X?
[06:04] <chris_ubuntu> nullvoid, ok how do I set up my modem?
[06:04] <metalsand> Sounds like something an asian general would say :P
[06:05] <revelater> Mahl, if you are lucky it will boot
[06:05] <Mahl> and if im not lucky what will I have to do?
[06:05] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: i you google for an howto?
[06:05] <chiwawa_42> did*
[06:05] <revelater> worst case cenario you have to reconfigure x
[06:05] <Mahl> reconfigure the x config file?
[06:05] <Drako60> ok i have an odd space issue, it says that there is no space somewhere that it needs it, when i tried to do apt-get remove linux-headers it said it was in /var/lib/dpkg/updates and /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:05] <Mahl> ah ok cool thanks :)
[06:05] <tarkan> no chiwawa_42
[06:05] <metalsand> Question: If I have a 5 gig Mp3 library on my windows partition
[06:05] <metalsand> Is there anyway to be able to play songs off of that in ubuntu?
[06:05] <revelater> Mahl, your driver should have came with something like that
[06:05] <thechitowncubs> yes
[06:05] <kwame> hi
[06:05] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:06] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: go find by yourself, then ask in case of en emergency or if you really can't find out please
[06:06] <tarkan> i am just trying to connect my phone to my pc running ubuntu
[06:06] <tarkan> nothing else
[06:06] <sir-gold> Mahl it might fail to load X, in which case you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and pick something generic like vesa
[06:06] <Drako60> problem is i can't figure out why its telling me no more space
[06:06] <kwame> How can I know in what of my 6 usb ports is my usb printer attached?
[06:06] <chris_ubuntu> How do I get Ubuntu to recognize my modem?
[06:06] <thechitowncubs> mount the directory, then import it into your music app
[06:06] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: and read the link i gave you
[06:06] <Mahl> Ok thanks!
[06:06] <thechitowncubs> basic steps...
[06:06] <revelater> Mahl, yes, what sir-gold said
[06:06] <tarkan> its now 07:00 o'clock int the morning in istanbul and i finished installing ubuntu aprox 5 hours ago
[06:07] <tarkan> still no solutions
[06:07] <revelater> Mahl, make sure you get the right drivers also!!
[06:07] <sir-gold> vesa will get X working until you can get the right drivers going
[06:07] <Mahl> I got the ones from within synaptic package manager
[06:07] <JoeXCoolNJ> so in the Xorg log, there are no errors when it tries to load the mouse and synaptics drivers. But in X and at the console, there's zero response from the touchpad. :(
[06:07] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: please paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.com
[06:07] <revelater> does a touchpad work in linux??
[06:07] <JoeXCoolNJ> no errors in dmesg either
[06:07] <thechitowncubs> tarkan: google it next time if you are wondering about linux support for your hardware :)
[06:07] <tarkan> did u hear me chiwawa_42
[06:08] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: http://celso.arrifana.org/?page_id=5/
[06:08] <concept10> okay, almost started family war installing linux on my sisters powerbook g4
[06:08] <crimsun> revelater: yes, I'm using one right now.
[06:08] <sir-gold> revelater it does if it uses ps2
[06:08] <sir-gold> even the pad-egde-scrolling works
[06:08] <revelater> crimsun: how is the intergration with gimp?
[06:08] <crimsun> revelater: no idea
[06:08] <nullvoid> chris: whats your lspci say
[06:08] <revelater> crimsun, and do you have a plug and play touchpad?
[06:08] <tarkan> thanks
[06:08] <Nalioth> revelater, mine does
[06:08] <crimsun> revelater: it's a built-in Synaptics one on the laptop
[06:09] <tarkan> ill try this one out straight away :)
[06:09] <metalsand> What are backports repositories?
[06:09] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: it's the first answer from google, you should have found it by yourself
[06:09] <revelater> crimsun, ahh, you are using a mouse
[06:09] <tarkan> r u kidding me
[06:09] <Mahl> But I cant
[06:09] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: no
[06:09] <tarkan> i am talking about 5 hours
[06:09] <Nalioth> l8r
[06:09] <Mahl> nevermind..
[06:09] <Drako60> Question: ok i have an odd space issue, it says that there is no space somewhere that it needs it, when i tried to do apt-get remove linux-headers it said it was in /var/lib/dpkg/updates and /var/lib/dpkg/status but i have no idea why its telling it has no space
[06:10] <chiwawa_42> tarkan: http://www.google.fr/linux?hl=fr&q=+sonyericsson+p800&btnG=Rechercher&meta=
[06:10] <tarkan> and no solutin at all in google
[06:10] <crimsun> Drako60: do you have enough space on /var ?
[06:10] <metalsand> What are backports repositories?
[06:10] <Drako60> i have 11% of 150GBs used
[06:10] <JoeXCoolNJ> crimsun, done
[06:10] <allyn> i think backports are new progs ported to old versions of ubuntu
[06:10] <revelater> di need to get a 250 gig hd...
[06:10] <metalsand> Ah. Thanks
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: it is a repository with updated software... ubuntu doesn't provide any updates besides security, so if you want to be running the latest and greatest, add im to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:11] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: i feel smart answering your easy questions :)
[06:12] <metalsand> thechitowncubs: Good :)
[06:12] <Drako60> i checked that first crimsun it doesn't make sense why its saying there is no space, /dev/shm is completely free, /tmp is free,
[06:12] <thechitowncubs> metalsand: im done answering, go check out the forums and guide...
[06:12] <thechitowncubs> seriously, you'll learn a lot
[06:13] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: but there are errors
[06:13] <chris_ubuntu> If I were to go and purchase a pci modem for my intel box, wanted to plug it in and have ubuntu recognize it and be able to utilize it no prob, does anyone have any recomendations for what modem to buy?
[06:13] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: look at lines 779-787 of your paste
[06:14] <chiwawa_42> chris_ubuntu: buy a serial modem :D
[06:14] <chris_ubuntu> chiwawa_42: what is a serial modem?  An external?
[06:14] <chiwawa_42> yup
[06:14] <nullvoid> chris: any modem except winmodem
[06:14] <chiwawa_42> it's getting harder to find a non wimodem on the market today
[06:15] <chris_ubuntu> nullvoid: are all pci modems winmodems?
[06:15] <nullvoid> chris: not really
[06:15] <chris_ubuntu> nullvoid: is there an internal I could just buy that you can recommend?
[06:15] <JoeXCoolNJ> that's odd. Must have missed it. But my mouse is configured for /dev/input/mice, not /dev/psaux
[06:16] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: is your touchpad enabled in bios?
[06:16] <JoeXCoolNJ> checked. There's no option to disable or enable
[06:18] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: do you have legacy mouse emulation enabled in bios?
[06:18] <JoeXCoolNJ> my bios is bare. there's nothing like that. no legacy mouse, no legacy usb, nothing.
[06:19] <Drako60> i can't even open a man page because it says there is no space to create tmp file
[06:19] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: not even PnP OS?
[06:19] <firefly2442> If I update my graphics card, is there any reconfiguration that I need to do manually so it can be recognised?
[06:19] <crimsun> Drako60: please paste the output from the following in #flood: free -m ; df -h
[06:19] <JoeXCoolNJ> that I don't remember. what should I have selected? No?
[06:19] <Drako60> JoeXCoolNJ, have you checked dmesg | grep -i input
[06:19] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: correct, "no"
[06:19] <metalsand> is there a term command that lists hard drive partition names?
[06:20] <JoeXCoolNJ> checking dmesg now
[06:20] <Drako60> metalsand, df -h
[06:20] <senator32> where is the file to edit that changes your default window manager...aka "xdm" "kdm" or "gdm"
[06:21] <Drako60> crimsun, posted
[06:21] <firefly2442> fdisk -l
[06:21] <daniels> senator32: login manager?  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow foo
[06:21] <nullvoid> chris: buy broadcom or 3com
[06:21] <daniels> where foo is xdm, kdm, or gdm; any of those that you have installed will do
[06:21] <senator32> yea thats it
[06:22] <metalsand> Didn't display antyhing firefly
[06:22] <JoeXCoolNJ> crimsun, nothing at all. just 3 lines about pc speaker
[06:22] <metalsand> Drako60: I was looking for partitions, not file system info.
[06:22] <metalsand> So I could tell which partion my windows partition is on to mount it...
[06:23] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: ok, take a look at http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/trouble-shooting.txt then
[06:23] <JoeXCoolNJ> will do. Brb I'm gonna reboot and check the PNP.
[06:23] <allyn> its probably fdisk /dev/hda -l
[06:24] <allyn> never mind that diesnt work either
[06:24] <crimsun> Drako60: ok, looks good so far. When are you getting disk space errors?
[06:24] <metalsand> Cool, that was it allyn
[06:24] <crimsun> Drako60: and does dmesg tell you anything regarding your controller?
[06:24] <metalsand> Lol
[06:24] <metalsand> Yeah, it worked.
[06:25] <Drako60> when i try to open a man page, or do apt-get remove or dpkg --build source
[06:25] <allyn> heh it was? didnt work for me , it worked once i went sudo
[06:25] <metalsand> Yeah
[06:25] <metalsand> I had to sudo
[06:26] <allyn> yeah it works for me on sudo aswell
[06:26] <mr_roboto> sudo parted /dev/hda print  ?
[06:26] <chris_ubuntu> Anybody have anything negative to say about a Diamond external modem?
[06:27] <crimsun> Drako60: from what dir are you trying to build a package?
[06:28] <firefly2442> 	If I update my graphics card, is there any reconfiguration that I need to do manually so it can be recognised?
[06:29] <Tuxicity> firefly2442, i think you might want to change the driver in xorg.conf?
[06:29] <Drako60> crimsun, i've tried from ~ and /
[06:29] <Tuxicity> firefly2442, from "nvidia" to "ati", for example
[06:29] <firefly2442> so just figure out the module that is needed?
[06:31] <LeeColleton> hello ubuntu users!
[06:31] <Tuxicity> firefly2442, and add the new module to /etc/modules also maybe
[06:31] <Drako60> crimsun, dmesg doesn't say any errors for IDE controller
[06:31] <stuNNed> hi LeeColleton
[06:31] <Tuxicity> LeeColleton, well hello friend :)
[06:31] <firefly2442> super, well, that sounds fairly easy
[06:32] <Tuxicity> firefly2442, of course, you might also want to adjust refresh rates, etc.
[06:32] <crimsun> Drako60: persists across reboots?
[06:32] <firefly2442> yes, well the monitor won't be changing
[06:32] <metalsand> ror: fails when I boot
[06:32] <metalsand> What does that mean?
[06:32] <metalsand> Temporary something... didn't have time to read
[06:32] <Drako60> crimsun, thats a good question i didn't want to reboot yet
[06:33] <geneo93> crimsun:  i still cant find my scanner and it worked before
[06:33] <crimsun> geneo93: what do the logs report/
[06:33] <LeeColleton> I'm trying to connect my Mac OS X computer to an Ubuntu box using NFS.  Alas, it does not work.
[06:33] <firefly2442> thanks for the help
[06:33] <geneo93> crimsun:  which log
[06:33] <crimsun> geneo93: any, all
[06:34] <metalsand> After I've mounted a Windows partition (hd1), how do I navigate to it in terminal?
[06:34] <firefly2442> LeeColleton: I believe there is a bug in Tiger w/Samba
[06:34] <LeeColleton> are there any NFS wizards in channel who might deign to ponder my question?
[06:34] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: sure the osx box is using NFS and not AFP?
[06:34] <LeeColleton> firefly2442: I've tried this on 10.3 and 10.4
[06:34] <firefly2442> ahh
[06:34] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: certain
[06:34] <Drako60> crimsun, if i'm running a system where i have to boot with ide=nodma i should be able to set idebus=133 running and AMD64 correct?
[06:34] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: which is the server?
[06:34] <crimsun> Drako60: oh my, don't mess with idebus
[06:34] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: two peers on a LAN
[06:35] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: oh, the Ubuntu box
[06:35] <crimsun> Drako60: what you did is very bad
[06:35] <Drako60> crimsun, i haven't
[06:35] <Drako60> crimsun, but i have to boot with ide=nodma or i get kernel panic
[06:35] <crimsun> Drako60: idebus != front side bus
[06:35] <crimsun> Drako60: which kernel?
[06:35] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: what's your /etc/exports look like on the Ubuntu box?
[06:36] <LeeColleton> very simple: /var/lib/drqueue        10.0.0.*(all_squash,rw,insecure,sync)
[06:36] <Drako60> crimsun, 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[06:36] <shandi> hey guys..uhh im trying to get my palm tungsten E working in ubuntu hoary
[06:36] <LeeColleton> connections from other linux systems work NP
[06:36] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: oh
[06:36] <crimsun> Drako60: not -k8 ?
[06:36] <Drako60> crimsun, but it assumes 33mhz bus for pio mode
[06:36] <shandi> ran through the wizard in the preferences and it seemed to be successful
[06:36] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: how are you trying to mount on the osx box?
[06:37] <crimsun> Drako60: it should be 33 regardless.
[06:37] <Drako60> crimsun, no not yet
[06:37] <shandi> but how do i use evolution to get all the information from the palm to the computer?
[06:37] <JoeXCoolNJ> crimsun, there's not even a PNP option. But I'm certain it's not hardware, because like I said, the touchpad works with the Live CD
[06:37] <shandi> to use in evolution
[06:37] <allyn> pci bus is 33 if im not mistaken
[06:37] <JoeXCoolNJ> so it has to be something in configuration that I'm missing
[06:37] <Drako60> crimsun, on debian kernel upgrades were a pain and didn't always work correctly
[06:37] <LeeColleton> i've tried the Finder > Go > Connect to Server route, which gives an "Invalid Username/Password" error which is of course totally bogus as NFS doesn't use either
[06:37] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: did you take a look at the hints on the troubleshooting guide?
[06:38] <JoeXCoolNJ> reading over it as we type. :)
[06:38] <crimsun> Drako60: granted that may have been, but this is ubuntu.
[06:38] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: try on the server from a root prompt: 'exportfs -ra' on teh osx box i'm guessing drop to a root prompt and run 'mount -a' ?
[06:38] <LeeColleton> and i've tried the "sudo mount -t nfs 10.0.0.254:/var/lib/drqueue /mnt/foo" method, which says permission denied
[06:38] <shandi> when i press the hotsync button it says it hotsyncs but none of my iunfo shows up in evolution
[06:38] <shandi> can anyone help?
[06:38] <Drako60> crimsun, whats the easier way to upgrage to the k8 kernel?
[06:38] <shandi> im lost
[06:39] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: command not found
[06:39] <LeeColleton> the osx box is the client, not the server
[06:39] <shandi> no one here has got a palm going on ubuntu/evolution ?
[06:39] <metalsand> After I've mounted a Windows partition (hd1), how do I navigate to it in terminal?
[06:40] <LeeColleton> shandi: I have, once upon a time
[06:40] <LeeColleton> back in Warty
[06:40] <shandi> LeeColleton, remember what you did to make evolution import all the data from the palm?
[06:40] <crimsun> Drako60: install linux-k8
[06:40] <shandi> in the settings it reads the name properly (shandi TE)
[06:40] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: i'm not sure how to mount a remote nfs fs in osx, does disk utility show anything?
[06:40] <shandi> but no data gets put in evolution
[06:40] <shandi> its a tungsten e
[06:41] <allyn> metalsand where did you ount it?
[06:41] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: the osx box says 'command not found' to 'mount -a' ?
[06:41] <Drako60> crimsun, i posted the message i get just befor the kernel panic in #Flood
[06:41] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: nope, but the mount_nfs command should work.  (and it doesn't)
[06:41] <crimsun> Drako60: sorry, linux-amd64-k8
[06:41] <Drako60> crimsun, through apt?
[06:41] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: ah ok
[06:41] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: no, to exportfs
[06:41] <crimsun> Drako60: sure
[06:42] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: one sec
[06:42] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: the Ubuntu (nfs server) box gives this to exportfs: /var/lib/drqueue 10.0.0.*
[06:42] <metalsand> allyn: dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0 in /etc/fstab
[06:42] <Drako60> crimsun, bios reporting wrong bit code could that be caused by the BIOS set to PnP OS Yes in the bios?
[06:43] <crimsun> Drako60: could be.
[06:43] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: and works on the other *nix client boxen
[06:43] <ali4728> Help Needed! How do I configure PHP to use mail() function / send mail through html page with Postfix on my Linux/ubuntu computer?  Thanks
[06:43] <LeeColleton> absolutely
[06:43] <Drako60> crimsun, hmm i hadn't even thought of it normally i turn that off when i run linux
[06:43] <shandi> hey i think i just found it in conduits
[06:43] <LeeColleton> the logs are interesting
[06:43] <allyn> metal just type cd /media/windows
[06:44] <allyn> then "ls" to get a listing of files
[06:44] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: tried in 'connect to server' : nfs://servername/pathtoexport ?
[06:44] <LeeColleton> here is a line from a "sudo mount" connection attempt: May  9 20:18:00 localhost rpc.mountd: refused mount request from temporal for /var/lib/drqueue (/): no export entry
[06:45] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: you need exportfs command on the server afaik
[06:45] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: yes, gives "Invalid Username/Password" which is bogus
[06:45] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: right, see above
[06:45] <JairunCaloth> finaly got my moniter to display properly
 stuNNed: the Ubuntu (nfs server) box gives this to exportfs: /var/lib/drqueue 10.0.0.*
[06:45] <JairunCaloth> now that pesky NTFS partition won't let me access anymore
[06:45] <senator32_> hey i used Synaptic package manager to install "freedoom" and i seem to be unable to figure out how to run it...(im currently in KDE btw, but even in gnome i cant figure how it workds) please help cause i need to waste time in lit class
[06:46] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: tried the NetInfoManger method?
[06:46] <metalsand> After I've mounted a Windows partition (hd1), how do I navigate to it in terminal?
[06:46] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: yes, both directly and via 3rd party tool "NFSManager"
[06:47] <senator32_> any ideas...as to maybe what the command may be?
[06:47] <LeeColleton> It creates a broken symlink or an empty entry under /Volumes/<server>/path/supposedly/mounted/
[06:47] <senator32_> and no its not "freedoom" tryied that :)
[06:48] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: what NFS packages have you installed on the server?
[06:48] <LeeColleton> senator32: dpkg -L freedoom
[06:48] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: i'm thinking you're missing something as command 'exportfs' isn't there
[06:48] <senator32_> do i do that in a specific directory?
[06:49] <Tuxicity> senator32, no it will list the files it installed for that package
[06:49] <xthepic> I'm having a problem with my laptop and the lid.sh script when opening/closing the lid. Does anyone know about this who can help out really quick?
[06:49] <xthepic> I think I've narrowed it down a bit.
[06:49] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: the exportfs command is installed and functional on the Ubuntu NFS Server.  I can connect fine from other Linux machines, both Debian and Ubuntu
[06:49] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: also did you see this? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpNFSHowTo  i know it works on the other *nix boxen but just in case
[06:49] <stuNNed> LeeColleton: yes, ok, exportfs -ra is to be run on the NFS server, ok
[06:49] <Tuxicity> metalsand, cd /media/windows
[06:49] <LeeColleton> stuNNed: thanks, I'll read that over
[06:50] <Drako60> crimsun, the space issue seems to have sorted itself out, i wonder what was locking it
[06:50] <metalsand> Tuxicity: thanks
[06:50] <amaro> UBUNTU! :D
[06:50] <LeeColleton> senator32_: no specific directory needed, it will give you a list of all the files in that package
[06:50] <Tuxicity> metalsand, allyn answered you first, but you missed it :)
[06:50] <LeeColleton> senator32_:  dpkg -L freedoom | grep /bin/
[06:50] <senator32_> LeeColleton: i did it and it showd me the packages
[06:50] <senator32_> now what
[06:51] <Gatton> Hmmm distrowatch wasn't kidding when it said this distro was getting popular ;-)
[06:51] <LeeColleton> senator32_: one of those packages is a binary that you can call from the command line to run your precious timewaster
[06:51] <senator32_> ok so just try theri names
[06:51] <LeeColleton> s/packages/files/
[06:51] <senator32_> got it
[06:51] <senator32_> thx'
[06:52] <JairunCaloth> sweet, I can access my ntfs drive from gnome again
[06:52] <JairunCaloth> this stuff isn't too bad once you start to figure out how it all works
[06:52] <xthepic> On my laptop, in /etc/acpi/lid.sh it checks /proc/acpi/button/lid/LIDD/state to see if the lid is open or closed. It always says that it's closed. Anyone know why this could be?
[06:52] <sir-gold> i just installed freedoom and i don't see anything executable
[06:53] <allyn> Combined with the GPL-licensed Doom source code this will result in a
[06:53] <allyn> complete Free Doom-based game.
[06:53] <dr_willis> or use synaptic and check the files it installed.
[06:53] <sir-gold> it didn't put anything in /bin
[06:53] <allyn> copied that from the synaptic description
[06:53] <allyn> i guess we need other files
[06:53] <JoeXCoolNJ> crimsun, you have a win.
[06:53] <dr_willis> it may be in /usr/local/src or /usr/local/games ect...
[06:53] <JoeXCoolNJ> "rmmod psmouse ; modprobe -v psmouse" fixed it.
[06:54] <JoeXCoolNJ> simple simple crap. :) So how do I get it to work automatically in the future? What do I need to change in the config files?
[06:54] <dr_willis> it LOOKS like freedoom installed prdoom and fredoom
[06:54] <sir-gold> ah, run prboom
[06:54] <crimsun> JoeXCoolNJ: excellent.
[06:54] <dr_willis> I am betting ath prdoom is the binary. and the freedoom is free levels.
[06:55] <dr_willis> or - /usr/share/games/doom
[06:56] <allyn> prboom runs it
[06:56] <allyn> ah the memories ;-)
[06:57] <anethema> heh sudo is nice
[06:57] <Drako60> sudo is only nice if your doing one command and not multiply
[06:57] <anethema> so use su then
[06:57] <JoeXCoolNJ> if you don't like doing sudo on every command, you can always do sudo su -
[06:57] <anethema> er
[06:57] <anethema> not su
[06:57] <Gatton> yes but i am so used to su-ing all the time and am trying to just go the sudo route rather than sudo passwd
[06:58] <anethema> there is a sudo command to put you in root temporarily
[06:58] <sir-gold> sudo -s
[06:58] <anethema> there you go
[06:58] <anethema> do that
[06:58] <dr_willis> allyn,  if you have the origianl doom wads/disks around - thers some enhanced doom variatns out that are great
[06:58] <sumadartson> sudo bash
[06:58] <g14> Open up your ~/.bashrc in a text editor. Add alias apt-get="sudo /usr/bin/apt-get"
[06:58] <g14> After that, when you type apt-get, it automaticly runs it with sudo
[06:59] <Drako60> hmm doesn't look like i'm going to get wine running on this system
[06:59] <allyn> cool i have them somewhere its been awhile, have t find a computer with a floppy drive ;-0
[06:59] <dr_willis> allyn,  floppy? Ick.. go get the Ultimate Dooom archive for like $9 on CD in stores all over the place.
[07:00] <allyn> oh ok i havent looked for that
[07:00] <allyn> thanks
[07:00] <IIIEars> nice tip
[07:00] <dr_willis> it will have doom I and II and the orricial extra expansion packs. :P
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> don't use floppies ever
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> that's a good move
[07:00] <anethema> yes
[07:00] <anethema> i agree HrdwrBoB
[07:00] <anethema> never EVER use floppies for anythign
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> disconnect your floppy drive
[07:01] <anethema> i have years ago
[07:01] <allyn> cant disconnect what i dont have lol
[07:01] <dr_willis> heh - window users with serial ata often HAVE to have one. :P to get xp to load the drivers.
[07:01] <IIIEars> you are kidding. why is that?
[07:01] <anethema> exaclty
[07:01] <anethema> no floppy
[07:01] <anethema> dr_willis, no
[07:01] <Gatton> I feel like a crusty old coot hanging to my fd0
[07:01] <dr_willis> Ive got  1 machine with a floppy drive.. its a 7 slot media reader+ floppy.
[07:01] <anethema> i made a slipstream cd of xp
[07:01] <anethema> had my raid drivers in it
[07:01] <anethema> sata raid
[07:02] <dr_willis> anethema,  thats nice :P  but EVIL :P
[07:02] <allyn> anethema you heard of nlite?
[07:02] <anethema> nlite?
[07:02] <anethema> no
[07:02] <IIIEars> anathema what app did you use to slipstream the other app?
[07:02] <allyn> yeah
[07:02] <anethema> uhhh windows?
[07:02] <anethema> oh
[07:02] <holycow> anethema, slipstream is just winxp installer with latest patches applied correct?
[07:02] <anethema> cant remeber the name
[07:02] <allyn> it slipstereaams and alows removal of windows componets
[07:02] <IIIEars> yes - there are several helpful apps to do it.
[07:02] <anethema> holycow, slipstreaming is just including other software/drivers in your windows install
[07:03] <holycow> k
[07:03] <anethema> patches or otherwise
[07:03] <anethema> IIIEars, there was one great one, burnt the iso for you and all
[07:03] <dr_willis> gotta love how XP decides that MS messenger is a critically impornant app. :P
[07:03] <anethema> forget its name tho
[07:03] <IIIEars> and removing the oem trial ware cruft
[07:03] <allyn> i used nlite to get a xp without messanger or outlook
[07:03] <Drako60> crimsun, does apt install suggested packages?
[07:03] <holycow> i can see how slipstreamed cd for winders can be usefull if you do alot of that
[07:03] <holycow> fortunately i don't
[07:03] <anethema> heh
[07:03] <anethema> well
[07:03] <Drako60> or anyone for that matter
[07:04] <anethema> it also makes an unattended install of xp
[07:04] <anethema> which is really nice
[07:04] <dr_willis> Drako60,  you can tell it to do so,
[07:04] <IIIEars> allyn - lol i know what you mean it outlook and messenger are the first things i disable too.
[07:04] <anethema> course both me and my gf have switched to ubuntu now
[07:04] <Drako60> dr_willis, but it doesn't by default, because i don't want lilo
[07:04] <anethema> i was a slack user for about 5 years..then xp came out and i used that for a bit
[07:04] <anethema> then back to slack...now ubuntu
[07:04] <anethema> heh
[07:04] <anethema> loove ubuntu
[07:04] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - is the best for anything on the 'net.
[07:05] <oea> qucick questions guys.. trying to install mplayer on hoary.. didn't realise the multiverse had packages so went the compile route... uninstalled it now when i try to apt-get mplayer get a weird error
[07:05] <holycow>  i just bloody hate windows, horrible gui, horrible file system, horrible installers, it's like it was designed by 12 blind monkeys
[07:05] <holycow> none of it makes any sense
[07:05] <oea> mplayer-386: Depends: libsvga1 but it is not installable or
[07:05] <IIIEars> still 3d acceleration is tough to enable even when it is supported.
[07:05] <oea> any ideas?
[07:05] <holycow> they keep on polishing the turd, yet ... somehow it doesn't help
[07:05] <anethema> oea, yeah
[07:05] <anethema> sec ill show you
[07:05] <oea> thanks
[07:05] <anethema> do this instead
[07:05] <allyn> yeah IIIEars though with nlite they never get installed in the first place ;-) its so nice, my xp install is only 800ish Mb , with the full Xp its 1Gig+
[07:06] <MetallicB> Anny one got toe knowllige to install JAVA RUNTIME env?
[07:06] <anethema> sudo apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-586
[07:06] <oea> heh
[07:06] <anethema> or if you have a athlon xp
[07:06] <oea> i was just about to say..
[07:06] <anethema> sudo apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-k6
[07:06] <oea> i forgot about -t hoary
[07:06] <oea> heheheh
[07:06] <anethema> or 7
[07:06] <IIIEars> Ah "nlite" many thanks :)
[07:06] <allyn> metallicb
[07:06] <MetallicB> yes allyn
[07:06] <holycow> MetallicB, go to the ubuntu website looke up installing java 1.5 sdk
[07:06] <allyn> its easy just make sure to change permisions to ececute
[07:06] <holycow> you just need to add a repository and apt-get install java-whateveritis
[07:06] <oea> hmm anethema  same error
[07:07] <IIIEars> "" i could use jave also.
[07:07] <anethema> really
[07:07] <anethema> sudo apt-get -t hoary install mplayer-586
[07:07] <oea> libsvgal or svgalib-dummygl uninstallable
[07:07] <MetallicB> wel i work at a chatting board with requires java to get on it
[07:07] <anethema> doesnt work ?
[07:07] <Gatton> MetallicB, I just followed the instructions on the java download page for the non rpm version. worked like a charm
[07:07] <allyn> do you too have it downloaded for jave
[07:07] <anethema> what error again ?
[07:07] <allyn> the j2re whatever file?
[07:07] <oea> neg
[07:07] <oea>  mplayer-586: Depends: libsvga1 but it is not installable or
[07:07] <oea>                         svgalib-dummyg1 but it is not installable
[07:07] <oea> i think i borked it when i tried to install from source
[07:07] <anethema> weird
[07:07] <oea> heh
[07:07] <IIIEars> Thanks gatton
[07:07] <anethema> hmm who knows
[07:08] <MetallicB> Il check both sites :O
[07:08] <JairunCaloth> how good is wine at running games?
[07:08] <Gatton> np
[07:08] <holycow> JairunCaloth, not at all
[07:08] <anethema> not sure how to fix that oea
[07:08] <anethema> sorry man
[07:08] <JairunCaloth> is there anything that will run them?
[07:08] <anethema> did you add all the repositories
[07:08] <anethema> extra ones?
[07:09] <Gatton> MetallicB, I got mine from here   http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
[07:09] <MetallicB> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:09] <MetallicB>   sun-j2sdk1.5.0: Depends: java2-common but it is not installable
[07:09] <MetallicB> E: Broken packages
[07:09] <Gatton> Linux self extracting file is what i used
[07:09] <anethema> some people dont like it because its not a .deb
[07:09] <anethema> but this is a VERY easy way to install the JRE
[07:09] <anethema> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:09] <allyn> java has an installer but you have to change the file permissions so that the owner can execute it
[07:10] <Gatton> anethema, I guess it's what you're used to. I manually downloaded a .deb today and was lost as to what to do with it :-)
[07:10] <anethema> that method there works soo easy
[07:10] <anethema> its what i did
[07:10] <Gatton> anethema, thanks for the link. I am still on day one and hadn't bookmarked ubuntuguide.org yet
[07:10] <oea> lol metallic i'm getting same error but for libsvgl tyring to get mplayer to install
[07:10] <oea> :(
[07:11] <calamari> anyone know how to print out the powerpoint slide thumbnails page in OO?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> hey, Guys.
[07:13] <dabaSlon> I was wondering, perhaps someone can answer this question. Is it possible that all of a sudden, my hard drive, after being formatted, does not want to install anything on itself,
[07:13] <dabaSlon> I mean, it is posible, of course...
[07:13] <dabaSlon> but, whatg would the error messages be, would there be error messages?
[07:14] <allyn> what did you format it with?
[07:14] <oea> what the heck is libsvgal anyways?
[07:14] <dabaSlon> And would having Linux on that hard drive attribute to after having rebooted it, it does not want to do anything.
[07:14] <allyn> svg is the graphics part i think
[07:14] <dabaSlon> I dont remember, likely just format c: or something.
[07:15] <jsgotangco> svg is awesome
[07:15] <dabaSlon> or perhaps something through linux, cause it had linux at that time.
[07:15] <Rima>  quick question people, have an application installed via apt - initially asked questions re configuration, tried editting files made a mess.. how do I install the package again so it asks me those initial config questions?
[07:15] <dabaSlon> Now, I install windows, it says that it has been installed, I reboot, remove the cd, and it goes back to saying Ubuntu something, enter runlevel.
[07:15] <allyn> and you cant install anything on it? is it in the same computer it used to be in/
[07:16] <dabaSlon> apt-get remove package.
[07:16] <dabaSlon> Then, apt-get install package.
[07:16] <allyn> sounds like a bios problem to e
[07:16] <Rima> did that, and apt-get install but doesn't ask those initial config questions :(
[07:16] <dabaSlon> Maybe, I will be teking a look at it tomorrow, and/or the day after that.
[07:16] <dabaSlon> what is the program?
[07:16] <allyn> daba is it win XP?
[07:16] <Rima> tvtime
[07:16] <dabaSlon> nope.
[07:16] <Gatton> dabaSlon, maybe your MBR
[07:16] <dabaSlon> Ok, go to your home folder...
[07:17] <Rima> delete the ./.tvtime folder?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> maybe, would having an install disk help?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> right, is there one?
[07:17] <Gatton> dabaSlon, for those problems years ago I used to use a boot disk and run  fdisk /mbr
[07:17] <allyn> yes you can restore the windows mbr using a boot disk and typing fdisk /mbr or something similar
[07:17] <allyn> hehe perfect timing
[07:17] <dabaSlon> right, I was thinking of that....
[07:17] <dabaSlon> Ill read up on it while I am doing it.
[07:17] <Gatton> hey we can't both be wrong right? ;-)
[07:18] <allyn> heh
[07:18] <|QuaD-_> how long after something finnishes building (confirmed from ~lamont/buildLogs) until it is in the repos?
[07:18] <Tuxicity> Rima, not sure at all, but maybe "debconf tvtime" ??
[07:18] <dabaSlon> lower chance:p
[07:18] <dabaSlon> hehe, still waiting for that, |QuaD-_?
[07:18] <|QuaD-_> dabaSlon: do you know what i am waiting for?
[07:18] <Rima> yeah it is gone
[07:18] <Rima> just wondering if there is a config file somewhere else
[07:18] <allyn> anyone know wher to find nice gnome themses other than gnome-look?
[07:19] <dabaSlon> not really, I was here when you asked crimsun, though.
[07:19] <Rima> i would have thought, if there is no config file it would ask again
[07:19] <Rima> debconf hmm
[07:19] <dabaSlon> art.gnome.org, I think..
[07:19] <dabaSlon> Rima, removed the file?
[07:19] <|QuaD-_> dabaSlon: that was something else
[07:19] <dabaSlon> ok, I guess this answers it.
[07:19] <dabaSlon> (00:20:11) Rima: yeah it is gone
[07:19] <Rima> same thing
[07:19] <Rima> though, no config questions initially
[07:19] <dabaSlon> |QuaD-_: cool, so, you do this on a regular basis then:)
[07:20] <mae> is there a good tool out there for converting large amounts of files from FLAC to say ogg or mp3 while retaining the tag data?
[07:20] <|QuaD-_> dabaSlon: do what
[07:20] <dabaSlon> the when is this gonna come out thing.
[07:20] <dabaSlon> nothing against it...
[07:20] <|QuaD-_> dabaSlon: haha
[07:20] <|QuaD-_> yeah
[07:20] <Tuxicity> Rima, or "dpkg-reconfigure tvtime" ??
[07:20] <dabaSlon> seet,
[07:20] <dabaSlon> w
[07:20] <|QuaD-_> dabaSlon: it is actually out, and i think it built :)
[07:20] <dabaSlon> right...MOTU know the answer.
[07:21] <dabaSlon> ask at #ubuntu-motu
[07:21] <dabaSlon> maybe, tried that?
[07:21] <|QuaD-_> lemme try it
[07:21] <dabaSlon> no...
[07:22] <Rima> Tuxicity: it is asking a few different questions but think I am heading in right direction, cheers for the help and to you dabaSlon
[07:22] <dabaSlon> thanks...
[07:22] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:22] <maximaus> mae: http://freshmeat.net/projects/flac2ogg/
[07:23] <Tuxicity> Rima, you're welcome
[07:23] <loren> Q: how would i go about installing RHGB?
[07:23] <Rima> Tuxicity: on a final note, I have a Hauupauge 150MCE card, that work under linux?
[07:24] <Rima> as well as this bt848 card
[07:24] <JairunCaloth> I like how the NWN linux site sends links you to a file taht you have to be in windows to download....
[07:24] <allyn> loren what is rhgb , its not under apt?
[07:25] <oea> lol io fixed my problemn
[07:25] <loren> ally: the redhat grub bootloader, someone told me i could use it until usplash was complete
[07:25] <oea> by, of all fixes, getting the debian package of the library and installing it
[07:25] <oea> now mplayer is installing smoothly
[07:25] <dabaSlon> oea: sweet
[07:26] <oea> wonder why apt-get thought it was uninstallable
[07:26] <oea> weird
[07:26] <dabaSlon> let us know if it plays
[07:26] <allyn> sry loren i have no idea on how to install that
[07:26] <loren> allyn: it's alright, thanks ;)
[07:26] <dabaSlon> loren: do you have the rpm?
[07:26] <Tuxicity> Rima, no idea, check on LinuxCompatible.org
[07:27] <loren> daba: uhn not yet, do you think it'd be easily cross platformable?
[07:27] <oea> lol nope
[07:27] <Gatton> oea, can you give me a brief description of what you did? did you install from a different repository?
[07:27] <oea> mplayer opens just fine
[07:27] <oea> but it crashes when i try to play
[07:27] <oea> :(
[07:27] <dabaSlon> too bad rima let
[07:27] <wbeck85> what is the difference between xfce and xfce4? I was thinking about trying out xfce and was looking through synaptic and found both. Which should I use?
[07:27] <dabaSlon> change the output sound plugin to esound
[07:27] <allyn> use xfce4
[07:27] <dabaSlon> in options.
[07:27] <allyn> i did ti today also
[07:27] <loren> dabaSlon: if i get the RPM, what can i do with it/
[07:27] <Tuxicity> doh, too late :X
[07:27] <wbeck85> cool
[07:27] <wbeck85> thanks
[07:27] <oea> gatton it was telling me libsva1 was uninstallable so i just went and got the debian package
[07:27] <oea> of the same library
[07:28] <oea> and dpkg -i'd it
[07:28] <Gatton> oea, cool thanks
[07:28] <wbeck85> uh, what is the difference between xfce and xcfe4?
[07:28] <mae> which do you guys think sounds better in the same size, apple mp4 or mp3?
[07:28] <dabaSlon> alien package.rpm
[07:28] <dabaSlon> then it becomes a deb
[07:28] <dabaSlon> then you dpkg -i paskage
[07:28] <loren> mp3
[07:28] <dabaSlon> maybe...
[07:28] <allyn> not sure i dont have xfce only xfce4 so my choice was easy :-)
[07:28] <wbeck85> mp4, but they arent as compatable
[07:28] <wbeck85> lol
[07:28] <dabaSlon> allyn:
[07:28] <oea> hey dabaSlon
[07:28] <oea> that worked now it's playing
[07:28] <dark> xfce4 is the newest version i believe
[07:28] <oea> just can't decode the sound
[07:28] <wbeck85> oh thanks
[07:28] <oea> so must be a codec thing
[07:28] <oea> easy to fix
[07:29] <dark> xfce gives you an older one, not absolutely sure though, as i go with xfce4 :x
[07:29] <dabaSlon> yup, I ddi the same here.
[07:29] <oea> can't open/initialize audio device
[07:29] <dabaSlon> Tuxicity: I meant cause I had more info...not cause you said that.
[07:29] <dabaSlon> there is a /etc/tvtime that getts left
[07:29] <dabaSlon> after you remove
[07:30] <loren> dabaSlon: i downloaded the RHGB rpm, is it as simple as that? (knowing linux i dont think so lol)
[07:30] <oea> LOL
[07:30] <oea> of course cause i had xmms open
[07:30] <oea> yay now it works ;)(
[07:30] <dabaSlon> loren: not knowing linux, I gave you the instructions.....:)
[07:30] <Gatton> bwahaha sounds like something i would do :-)
[07:30] <loren> dabaSlon: haha nice :D ;-D
[07:30] <oea> hehe it's playing all my BS:G rips perfectly and they're in a bunch of diff codecs
[07:31] <oea> horray for mplayer
[07:31] <loren> Q: anyone know if you can apt-get w32 codecs? i've been trying to erm do that
[07:31] <dabaSlon> hurrAY for you as well.
[07:31] <dabaSlon> yes you can
[07:31] <wbeck85> yeah
[07:31] <dabaSlon> loren: do you have the universe repository enabled?
[07:31] <oea> you have to add a repository
[07:31] <dabaSlon> do you have an amd, THOUGH?
[07:31] <loren> dabaSlon: i have all lines reffering to locations uncommented
[07:31] <wbeck85> add the merliatt repos
[07:31] <dabaSlon> damn caps lock
[07:32] <dabaSlon> or marillat, one of them...
[07:32] <wbeck85> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[07:32] <wbeck85> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:32] <wbeck85> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:32] <oea> then sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[07:32] <dabaSlon> you may not be able to authenticate, though, and there is a fix.
[07:32] <wbeck85> paste those three into your sources.list
[07:32] <allyn> i forgot how do you force apt to ignore dependenies?
[07:32] <loren> dabaSlon: hmmh i'll try it
[07:32] <Gatton> yes i get a complaint from GPG :-)
[07:33] <dabaSlon> use wbeck85s insttructions,
[07:33] <dabaSlon> Me too, I never fixed it either...
[07:33] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:33] <loren> :)
[07:33] <dabaSlon> I dont need it.
[07:33] <Gatton> heh :)
[07:33] <wbeck85> yeah, i get an error everytime i update with synaptic about the authenitcate thing, but i have ignored it and its never bothered me
[07:33] <oea> last time i used linux (been some years now) I don't remember it being this polished/easy to use at ALL
[07:33] <oea> it's come a real long way i can see heh
[07:33] <oea> apt-get is genius!!
[07:33] <dabaSlon> right, not too bad...
[07:34] <loren> i love apt-get, honestly it's why i use ubuntu
[07:34] <dabaSlon> All the major disttrs have something along those lines.
[07:34] <allyn> if its a genius then how can i fix this lol The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:34] <allyn>   mplayer-k6: Depends: xmms (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:34] <allyn> E: Broken packages
[07:34] <dabaSlon> its a Debian thing...
[07:34] <oea> yes, now
[07:34] <loren> dabaSlon: i know, but debian was my first lol
[07:34] <Gatton> Install these packages without verification?  Yes please :)
[07:34] <oea> i mean, it's to the point where i could install on a cheap machine for family members to email/browse web reliably
[07:34] <loren> ok im trying apt-get w320codecs
[07:34] <dabaSlon> apt-get update, allyn
[07:34] <oea> without the 100s of support calls i would get with windows
[07:34] <oea> hehe
[07:35] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get update, in fact.
[07:35] <loren> unless you login to su
[07:35] <loren> ;)
[07:35] <dabaSlon> right...
[07:35] <loren> lol
[07:35] <dabaSlon> loren...f?
[07:35] <Gatton> Linux/Burger King...have it your way
[07:36] <loren> dabaSlon: f?
[07:36] <dabaSlon> Are you a girl:)
[07:36] <oea> gosh my router is a POS it can't hold a connetion for nothing
[07:36] <loren> Gatton: that'd be scary
[07:36] <loren> ah
[07:36] <allyn> nope afte update still does it :-( maybe becaus i upgraded to breezy despite the warnings
[07:36] <oea> constant disconnects from IM services and IRC drops off if it isn't active
[07:36] <oea> :(
[07:36] <dabaSlon> allyn...right...
[07:36] <dabaSlon> maybe
[07:36] <loren> dabaSlon: nope, all the girls i meet named lauren are hot though lol
[07:36] <Gatton> dabaSlon, who are you asking? heh
[07:36] <LeeColleton> Gatton: except that Linux won't clog your computers arteries nearly as fast as Microsoft bloatware
[07:36] <loren> dabaSlon: if i was a girl i'd be the most kickass awsome girl ever lol, programmer and all
[07:36] <dabaSlon> haha, well...
[07:37] <dabaSlon> Im gay anyhow...
[07:37] <dabaSlon> haha
[07:37] <dabaSlon> jj
[07:37] <loren> hahaa :) lol
[07:37] <oea> that's why i switched over recently
[07:37] <loren> lol nice
[07:37] <oea> i was getting sick of running anti spyware and anti adware stuff constantly, having to worry about everything
[07:37] <Gatton> LeeColleton, slowly working my way. In all the years I've played with LInux I have never stayed in it this long. Always found a reason to go back to windows
[07:37] <Gatton> getting harder to find reasons
[07:37] <oea> even with using upmost security, i had a few nefarious programs get in somehow
[07:37] <oea> it's ridicoulous
[07:38] <dabaSlon> right, well, did you turn off windows messenger service, though>?
[07:38] <oea> yeha of course
[07:38] <dabaSlon> oh, ok...
[07:38] <dabaSlon> I never had spyuware issues, really...
[07:38] <anethema> me either
[07:38] <anethema> EVER
[07:38] <Gatton> bah, why did I try to install mplayer. now I am dealing with broken dependency errors heh
[07:38] <loren> X_x windows messing service is evil
[07:38] <oea> the only real intruders i got were from family members using the computer
[07:38] <dabaSlon> except over the sea(my mom):(
[07:38] <oea> installing kazaa et cetera
[07:38] <anethema> if you used IE
[07:38] <oea> no
[07:38] <oea> i used firefox of course
[07:38] <anethema> then you had spyware problems
[07:38] <Zotnix> I switched to Linux on Febuary 15th, 2003
[07:38] <dabaSlon> gatton...
[07:38] <Zotnix> i only know because of web.archive.org
[07:38] <anethema> not really any other way to get spyware
[07:38] <dabaSlon> get xine, it does work, as well.
[07:38] <anethema> if you use FF just run adaware and spybot like once a month
[07:38] <oea> well, anethema  surrepticious installs
[07:38] <loren> oea: i love firefox tb it installed looking weird on my distro :(
[07:39] <oea> if family members use computer
[07:39] <oea> i kinda like konquerer better than firefox
[07:39] <oea> it's so snappy
[07:39] <oea> using kubuntu :)
[07:39] <anethema> heh
[07:39] <oea> <3 kde
[07:39] <dabaSlon> I use epiphany mostly.
[07:39] <anethema> boo kde and kubuntu
[07:39] <loren> eoa: same lol
[07:39] <anethema> haha
[07:39] <Gatton> using kubuntu also but i like firefox cuz i likes my extensions :)
[07:39] <dabaSlon> Just cause it is FSF...
[07:39] <anethema> yeah
[07:39] <oea> KDE is just so snappy
[07:39] <oea> heh
[07:39] <anethema> does kubuntu have adblock and TBE
[07:39] <anethema> no!
[07:39] <anethema> haha
[07:40] <anethema> i havent seen an ad on a page in years
[07:40] <sir-gold> konqueror is fast because kde pre-caches it
[07:40] <anethema> god i love firefox
[07:40] <loren> oea: it's nice on newer computers where processing doesn't matter as much, gnome's alright but i think they need to erm be more "appealing"
[07:40] <dabaSlon> I am patient, myself, I hae when someone is like, I cant wait for a fraction of a second to open my program
[07:40] <daniels> kde/gnome wars are offtopic for this channel
[07:40] <oea> hehe <3
[07:40] <loren> :D
[07:40] <loren> >:D
[07:40] <oea> fluxbox 4 eva
[07:40] <loren> lol
[07:40] <anethema> everyone join #kdevsgnome !!
[07:40] <anethema> jk :)
[07:40] <dabaSlon> wars?
[07:40] <dabaSlon> daniels?
[07:40] <sir-gold> daniels, it seems like the kde/gnome wars only happen when you are around
[07:41] <dabaSlon> did you have an issue we can solve:-P
[07:41] <dabaSlon> I did not see any wars, but whatever you say, its your channel.
[07:41] <loren> KDE and Gnome are both good GUIs
[07:41] <dabaSlon> Just ppl talking...
[07:41] <spacepopeye> Just installed XFCE via synaptic, how do I run it?
[07:41] <oea> agreed
[07:41] <oea> at least we have a choice
[07:41] <oea> :)
[07:41] <Echylo> lel
[07:41] <dabaSlon> did you try changing your session once you log in?
[07:41] <Echylo> the window users have to do it with one GUI
[07:41] <allyn> popye do you have a login manager?
[07:41] <Echylo> god be with them
[07:41] <dabaSlon> spacepopeye: ^^
[07:41] <loren> ah it's XFCE i wanted to run, i installed IceWM when Xandros' GUI broke
[07:41] <daniels> dabaSlon: i've seen these things start peacefully and end in mud-slinging a bajillion times
[07:42] <dabaSlon> Oh, Ok, cool.
[07:42] <spacepopeye> uhhh login...
[07:42] <loren> daniels: haha nice :D welcome to linux :P
[07:42] <oea> I was supprised on how easy it is to install ubuntu over a network
[07:42] <dabaSlon> right, login, and change the session.
[07:42] <oea> with just the kernal
[07:42] <spacepopeye> cool
[07:42] <oea> very very fast too on a decent connect
[07:42] <loren> :)
[07:42] <dabaSlon> loren: daniels is a Ubuntu guy
[07:42] <loren> I wish i could try Gentoo :(
[07:42] <loren> dabaSlon: i know
[07:42] <Gatton> dabaSlon you are a genius ;)
[07:42] <user1> hi all
[07:42] <dabaSlon> thanks, guys:)
[07:42] <oea> heard gentoo takes a long while to install
[07:42] <loren> dabaSlon: i just say that to everyone lol
[07:42] <oea> hehe
[07:42] <dabaSlon> hi, user1
[07:43] <user1> any idea how I can run xvncserver from the begining
[07:43] <Gatton> apt-get xine-ui, libdvdcss and all is joy
[07:43] <loren> dabaSlon: like a wakeup call ;) :D
[07:43] <dabaSlon> you mean when you boot up?
[07:43] <user1> I Mean to get also gnome manager so I can do login from vnc?
[07:43] <Gatton> loren, you could try VidaLinux. It's gentoo based
[07:43] <loren> Gatton: i was going to download that but man oh man i've downloaded so many linuxes
[07:43] <loren> Gatton: im still considering it
[07:43] <allyn> gentoo only took me 4 hours to get through 25% of the install
[07:43] <loren> VLOS
[07:43] <Gatton> loren, i generally liked it but dumped it only because the free version doesn't have very many packages...
[07:43] <allyn> is that too long? lol
[07:43] <Gatton> if you don't downloading and building everything once it's installed then you might like it
[07:44] <Gatton> i guess i am impatient :)
[07:44] <Echylo> allyn, here it compiled kde for 2 days, then I aborted it
[07:44] <Gatton> and Gentoo requires patience ;)
[07:44] <oea> what are kde's default hotkeys for switching desktops?
[07:44] <loren> Gatton: yeah? hmmh yeah how was the erm, portage system?
[07:44] <allyn> oh no i didnt even get to compiling X, im taking just the base :-)
[07:44] <Echylo> :-)
[07:44] <Gatton> loren, worked pretty darn well for me
[07:44] <dabaSlon> user1: do you have any information on what would be needed?
[07:44] <metalsand> Gentoo must be something great
[07:44] <user1> no
[07:44] <dabaSlon> like, do you need the vnc server to start on boot?
[07:45] <metalsand> The channel has 1000 users
[07:45] <Gatton> and i admit some apps (firefox for instance) *seemed* faster when compiled from source. but not enough of an increase to justify all my time compiling
[07:45] <loren> Gatton: man i'm itching to try that portage system lol, portage + suse + ubuntu stability would totally rock
[07:45] <dabaSlon> or something?
[07:45] <metalsand> I'm not saying Ubuntu isn't great
[07:45] <Gatton> my personal opinion of course
[07:45] <user1> I want to get full remote on my ubunutu
[07:45] <metalsand> just making an observation
[07:45] <dabaSlon> gentoo is olkder.
[07:45] <dabaSlon> U|I think...
[07:45] <loren> metalsand: it's a good channel i like em both actually
[07:45] <dabaSlon> hm...not sure, user1, anyone else know by some chance?
[07:45] <oea> nobody planning on switching to sarge stable?
[07:45] <Gatton> loren, it has a graphical front end to portage but i found it easier to just use the command. kinda like apt-get as opposed to using kynaptic or synaptic :)
[07:46] <Echylo> metalsand, do you say that gentoo is great cause It has 1000 users, for me that means their users just have more problems :)
[07:46] <dabaSlon> Echylo: nice observation there.
[07:46] <Tuxicity> metalsand, in it's kind (source-based) it's great
[07:46] <metalsand> Echylo: Ubuntu is much more active (with problems), while Gentoo isn't nearly as active with 2x the users
[07:46] <loren> Gatton: yeah i know what you mean, the front ends are nice to have for most people i like using both lol, i usually swap back and forth
[07:47] <metalsand> The idlers just show support and respect for the Distro.
[07:47] <metalsand> The activeness shows issues :P
[07:47] <Gatton> the main thing i don't like about kynaptic is it isn't chatty. it doesn't seem to want to tell me what happened when it won't install stuff
[07:47] <Echylo> :)
[07:47] <loren> anyone have the info on their plans for Gnome3
[07:47] <loren> Gnome can punch back but they have to deffinatly do some GUI work
[07:47] <loren> after all it IS a GUI :D
[07:48] <transgress> Gatton: run it in a terminal window... although i did just install synaptic since it doesn't rely on gnome heh
[07:48] <dabaSlon> your opinion only, IMHO
[07:48] <Gatton> loren, that's desktop environment buddy ;)
[07:48] <metalsand> I really don't like Gnome's panels
[07:48] <loren> ;) true
[07:48] <transgress> although i do use apt-get more than either
[07:48] <allyn> oh wow i forgot about being able to force a version of a package using synaptic, fixed my mplayer woes
[07:48] <Gatton> transgress, that's what i've been doing. am finding i just prefer apt-get as opposed to synaptic unless i don't know the name of the package
[07:48] <dabaSlon> There are ppl that like gnome more, for me, KDE resembles windows too much...
[07:48] <loren> Metalsand: me neither that's why customizing the panel would be nice
[07:48] <Gatton> unless you guys can tell me an easy way to install something from apt-get when you don't know the exact name?
[07:48] <Echylo> gtg
[07:48] <dabaSlon> whyile default Ubuntu gnokme looks somewhat like OSX
[07:48] <loren> dabaSlon: yeah? hmmh, i guess that's both good and bad
[07:48] <metalsand> loren: It's totally customizable
[07:49] <loren> metalsand: like you can make all 3 menus into one?
[07:49] <anTiX> apt-cache search
[07:49] <dabaSlon> apt-cache search
[07:49] <dabaSlon> exactly
[07:49] <transgress> i keep hearing about default gnome looking like OSX... how in god's name do you get that?  it has no docker, it title bar is connected to the apps... and oh it's nothing like osx
[07:49] <metalsand> Mine's about 1/3 the width of the screen, contains the gnome foot: Applications, places, system... A firefox link, a wireless network icon and a power icon for my laptop
[07:49] <metalsand> All in one panel
[07:49] <Gatton> excellent! thanks
[07:49] <Echylo> my takes 3 panels
[07:49] <metalsand> I'm trying to get away from the panel completely.
[07:49] <dabaSlon> well, to me only at a first look it looks alike
[07:50] <Echylo> http://users.skynet.be/sb152568/desk.png
[07:50] <dabaSlon> because, it has the top, and bottom panel.
[07:50] <loren> transgress: rofl
[07:50] <dabaSlon> that is the only similarity, but at first look, if you saw a dock taht is not autohiding.
[07:50] <anethema> i love the panel
[07:50] <anethema> so much
[07:50] <anethema> ahha
[07:50] <dabaSlon> it looks similar.
[07:50] <anethema> all the quicklaunch type stuff
[07:50] <anethema> and notificaiton area
[07:50] <dabaSlon> transgress, get it?
[07:50] <anethema> mm
[07:50] <metalsand> I don't use the whole bottom bar
[07:50] <Gatton> Echylo what's that? That didn't come with my kubuntu iso <vbg> ;)
[07:50] <loren> i bet the Acqua theme looks great on gnome
[07:50] <loren> it's perfect
[07:50] <metalsand> I navigate only using Alt + Tab
[07:50] <ermanox> gnome is more like OS 9
[07:51] <metalsand> and don't use different "desktops"
[07:51] <Echylo> lel Gatton :D
[07:51] <loren> ermanox: lets hope Gnome3 is like OS X then eh?
[07:51] <anethema> metalsand, you are REALLY missing out
[07:51] <dabaSlon> Ilike the term owrkspace.
[07:51] <metalsand> anethema: Why?
[07:51] <dabaSlon> metalsand: yeah, I use it too.
[07:51] <Gatton> loren bah. Acqua theme. I just punch the KVM switch and have the real thing ;)
[07:51] <dabaSlon> metalsand: did ot use it at first..though.
[07:51] <metalsand> anethema: What's the advantage for all that clutter?
[07:51] <anethema> they give you 4x the desktop realestate for free, and you dont see the advantage?
[07:51] <anethema> the point is LESS clutter
[07:51] <ermanox> loren: lol yes lets
[07:51] <anethema> ahha
[07:51] <dabaSlon> exactly, metalsand
[07:51] <dabaSlon> less clutter.
[07:52] <loren> Gatton: i hate you rofl, i dont own any macs unfortunatly so i can't mess with em, thats why i picked up linux, windows got boring
[07:52] <metalsand> Depends on the user, I guess
[07:52] <dabaSlon> more desktops
[07:52] <dabaSlon> right.
[07:52] <metalsand> When I can go through everything with alt + tab, I don't want to be looking at a whole nother panel
[07:52] <Brunellus> anyone running xfce4 on hoary?
[07:52] <metalsand> Compeltely unnecessary
[07:52] <anethema> you guys are like the ones who are like 'ahh i dont see the advantages to firefox/tabbed browsing'
[07:52] <anethema> haha
[07:52] <|QuaD-_> ermanox: gnome is more like os9? you can compare a window manager to an os
[07:52] <metalsand> I LOVE tabbed browsing
[07:52] <loren> :)
[07:52] <transgress> you know... one of the major OSX things is the separate toolbar... gnome doesn't even do that... with skinning and gdesklets you can have a mostly gnome feel... but still no toolbar...
[07:52] <Gatton> loren agreed. I could certainly have saved the $800 for the emac. Guess Steve Jobs is just too darn persuasive
[07:52] <anethema> well metalsand i keep all my IMing and chatting in desktop 1
[07:52] <loren> Quad: ROFL hahaha nice
[07:53] <anethema> i keep browsing and related on #1
[07:53] <anethema> er
[07:53] <|QuaD-_> loren: i am right, right?
[07:53] <anethema> #2
[07:53] <dabaSlon> well, it is a personal preference issue, not really something I can discuss.
[07:53] <anethema> i keep all system shit and terms on desktop 4
[07:53] <Brunellus> any xfce users?
[07:53] <loren> Quad: deffinatly
[07:53] <metalsand> anethema: If you're running 10 programs I can see a use
[07:53] <dabaSlon> Brunellus: NOT ME,
[07:53] <metalsand> But i'm never really running moer than 4
[07:53] <Brunellus> why is it that grip runs fine in gnome and flux, but not xfce?
[07:53] <allyn> i started xfce tocday
[07:53] <dabaSlon> damn caps lock
[07:53] <|QuaD-_> loren: eh, some people will never learn
[07:53] <ermanox> lQuad : yes because os9 was little more the a windowsmanager
[07:53] <transgress> i keep my chats on desktop 1, browsing on 2, and random other shit on 3 if 1 or 2 get full
[07:53] <anethema> ive always got terminals open metalsand...always using gaim, always using skype, always webbrowsing
[07:53] <Gatton> But if I switch to the other desktops I'll miss this stimulating conversation
[07:53] <IIIEars> Should this command work? >>> apt-get install ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386//w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb
[07:53] <metalsand> At most.... 2 terms, a media player, gaim and firefox
[07:54] <dabaSlon> transgress: when I first saw OSX, at school, and when I saw ubuntu, I thought it was similatr.
[07:54] <anethema> transgress, exactly
[07:54] <|QuaD-_> tritium: are you an MOTU? i have a couple questions about the build process
[07:54] <loren> Gatton: yeah 800 is nice to save lol, as for being persuasive, i'll start my own BSD distro and it'll have the aqua theme as default and look like a mac by default lol, i'll prolly be sued but you have to admit it'd be big eh? oh and installable on PPC rofl
[07:54] <metalsand> I can navigate to any window in no more than 2 seconds.
[07:54] <anethema> metalsand, and all those programs you want on one desktop? why
[07:54] <|QuaD-_> ermanox: it is an os, not a window manager
[07:54] <transgress> dabaSlon: that's because you don't see well...
[07:54] <anethema> well i can switch desktops in 1/4 second
[07:54] <anethema> heh
[07:54] <Gatton> loren, just send me the link to the ftp server when you finish eh? ;)
[07:54] <metalsand> Most of the time it's a 1/10 of a second
[07:54] <metalsand> Because I'm running term and IRC
[07:54] <dabaSlon> transgress: do you know the loading little thing in firefox, ubuntu, and OSX that is similar?
[07:54] <tritium> |QuaD-_, almost (hopefully approved today).  What's up?
[07:54] <IIIEars> I don't see the repository added in synaptic i tried (shrug)
[07:54] <loren> QuaD: i didn't even think about that being possible until you mentioned it lol, i'm still in the mind set that they are one, where as in reality every Distribution has X.org
[07:54] <transgress> yeah using the mouse scroll wheel to switch desktops rocks... makes it so easy
[07:54] <dabaSlon> transgress: no, it is cause I saw it that way,..
[07:54] <anethema> metalsand, sounds like you havent really tryed it
[07:54] <loren> Gatton: haha :) i will lol
[07:55] <anethema> many windows converts may not get it at first
[07:55] <metalsand> and if you want to go from Desktop 1 to 4, it isn't 1/8 of a second ;)
[07:55] <Gatton> Yes! Bouncing icon to indicate application launch! don't you see how similar they are? ;)
[07:55] <anethema> no its 2/8ths
[07:55] <loren> Gatton: then i'll sell the company to some foreign company and they'll kill the Apple
[07:55] <transgress> the little loading thing?
[07:55] <Brunellus> I got multiple desktops *immediatly*
[07:55] <anethema> left arrow key BAMBAM
[07:55] <|QuaD-_> tritium: if i look through the buildlogs on ~lamont i notice that something built successfully, but the debs were never created in the repo, why?
[07:55] <Gatton> loren nooooooooooooo :)
[07:55] <anethema> or right
[07:55] <dabaSlon> right, the little sun like thing...
[07:55] <dabaSlon> the bars...
[07:55] <IIIEars> How do i use fileroller to install a package?
[07:55] <dabaSlon> circle with bard.
[07:55] <dabaSlon> s
[07:55] <anethema> metalsand, one day you will give it a real shot, and wonder wtf you did without it
[07:55] <dabaSlon> which package illears?
[07:55] <metalsand> Perhaps I'll grow into it
[07:55] <IIIEars> w32codecs
[07:55] <anethema> think of a school binder
[07:55] <metalsand> BUt my personality doesn't apprciate it at all right now
[07:56] <dabaSlon> are you using AMD?
[07:56] <ermanox> lQuad: yes but not that much more and we were placing  this OS X/gnome talk in the context of feel and look
[07:56] <anethema> with 5 classes
[07:56] <metalsand> anethema: I'm not organizing 500 papers ;)
[07:56] <anethema> do you just open the next page and write for each class, or do you organize by class
[07:56] <|QuaD-_> ermanox: lol
[07:56] <metalsand> Like I said, at most I run 6 applications
[07:56] <metalsand> Bad metaphor
[07:56] <anethema> no, but keep your browsing seperate from your IMs
[07:56] <|QuaD-_> ermanox: why not compare performance in that too
[07:56] <anethema> and your terminals and system tools seperate
[07:56] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: AMD?
[07:56] <tritium> IIIEars, there is a w32codecs .deb available
[07:56] <anethema> and you will find you get MUCH faster at stuff
[07:57] <dabaSlon> right.
[07:57] <loren> i hope so
[07:57] <tritium> |QuaD-_, I haven't observed that
[07:57] <metalsand> anethema: Just seems like an annoyance ;)
[07:57] <anethema> heh
[07:57] <IIIEars> yes there is. it is really large 14mbs - lol
[07:57] <metalsand> Maybe in a month I'll give it a try.
[07:57] <anethema> ah well just something to get used to, like tabbed browsing
[07:57] <anethema> keeping stuff organized is always better in the end
[07:57] <metalsand> I instantly loved tabbed browsing
[07:57] <dabaSlon> oh, so you have a slow connection, or something?
[07:57] <|QuaD-_> tritium: i was just looking at beagle: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/b/beagle/0.0.9-0ubuntu4/beagle_0.0.9-0ubuntu4_20050510-0008-i386-successful   but when i browse http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/beagle/ there is nothign
[07:57] <Brunellus> I dug tabbed browsing back when I tried it with Opera 2
[07:58] <metalsand> alt + Tab is tabbed browsing to me, though.
[07:58] <anethema> heh
[07:58] <anethema> yeah
[07:58] <Brunellus> I don't understand why everybody was making such a fuss about tabbed browsing when opera had it for ages
[07:58] <tritium> |QuaD-_, that's a breezy package
[07:58] <metalsand> ctrl + tab is literally tabbed browsding in Firefox
[07:58] <IIIEars> I have it in fileroller. what is the next step?
[07:58] <anethema> if you wanna go thru 6 apps to get the one you want
[07:58] <|QuaD-_> right
[07:58] <allyn> im so used to the internet explore way of haveing 6 windows open
[07:58] <|QuaD-_> tritium: right
[07:58] <dabaSlon> what is the name of the file, IIIEars?
[07:58] <anethema> tabbed browsing with TBE is amazing
[07:58] <Brunellus> allyn:  six windows of just IE?  yuck!
[07:58] <ermanox> lQuad ?????
[07:58] <anethema> default firefox tabbed browsing is better than IE but it annoys the shit out of me
[07:58] <Brunellus> I hate having my desktop littered like that...
[07:58] <IIIEars> w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb
[07:58] <dabaSlon> tritium: he has breezy
[07:58] <Gatton> anethema, how come?
[07:59] <|QuaD-_> ermanox: yes?
[07:59] <dabaSlon> well, dont fileroll it.
[07:59] <allyn> heh now its 6 of firefox until i can get used to tabbed browsing
[07:59] <dabaSlon> dpkg -i is it guys?
[07:59] <anethema> Gatton, many reasons
[07:59] <dabaSlon> for isnatlling a deb?
[07:59] <anethema> for example...if you have a few websites open, and are in a middle tab
[07:59] <tritium> dabaSlon, yes, dpkg -i <package.deb>
[07:59] <anethema> then close the current tab
[07:59] <Gatton> I prefer Safari's slimmer tabs but overall i like firefox. maybe there's a way to slim down the tab bar. not sure
[07:59] <dabaSlon> thanks.
[07:59] <tritium> dabaSlon, using sudo, of course
[07:59] <anethema> it puts you at the end of the tabs
[07:59] <IIIEars> debaslon - it is in the marillat repository
[07:59] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: read up!
[07:59] <anethema> i almost uninstalled firefox when i first saw that
[08:00] <dabaSlon> sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb
[08:00] <anethema> has to be the most retarded tab behavior ever
[08:00] <dabaSlon> in that folder.
[08:00] <dabaSlon> directory
[08:00] <dabaSlon> anethema: well, it is customzable, does not do that to me anymore.
[08:00] <anethema> its customizable if you install an extension to do that for you
[08:01] <anethema> which i did
[08:01] <anethema> TBE
[08:01] <IIIEars> gee - lol - still stuck why it isn't added to synaptic - added the source in settings deb ftp marillat etc - nothing shows up
[08:01] <dabaSlon> I dont think so, I think you can do it in there.
[08:01] <anethema> TBE is amazing, keeps everything sorted into colour coded groups
[08:01] <anethema> you cant
[08:01] <anethema> unless it was VERY recently added dabaSlon
[08:01] <dabaSlon> Ill prove it now.
[08:01] <allyn> tbe?
[08:01] <anethema> find me the option dabaSlon
[08:01] <anethema> heh
[08:01] <IIIEars> any tips on using fileroller would be helpful..
[08:01] <dabaSlon> anethema: go edit, prefs.
[08:01] <anethema> k
[08:01] <dabaSlon> advanced,,,
[08:02] <tritium> IIIEars, why are you not using the w32codecs .deb  package instead?
[08:02] <dabaSlon> tabbed browsing
[08:02] <anethema> k
[08:02] <anethema> there now
[08:02] <IIIEars> i have it. - now what? - grin
[08:02] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: you have the file on your comptuer.
[08:02] <dabaSlon> now, sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050216-0.0_i386.deb
[08:02] <dabaSlon> in that directory in a terminal.
[08:02] <tritium> IIIEars, okay, then why didn't you use apt-get, aptitude, or synaptic?
[08:02] <IIIEars> Ah GREAT! Thank You.
[08:02] <anethema> yeah thats what im wondering IIIEars
[08:02] <dabaSlon> try it, anyhow
[08:03] <dabaSlon> uncheck the select new tabs opened from link
[08:03] <IIIEars> do i need to create a codecs directory?
[08:03] <dabaSlon> that is the option.
[08:03] <anethema> dabaSlon, you find that option yet? :D
[08:03] <anethema> no no
[08:03] <anethema> thats not it at all
[08:03] <anethema> when you CLOSE the tab you're in
[08:03] <anethema> it selects the last tab on your tab bar
[08:03] <IIIEars> :)
[08:03] <anethema> opening tabs in the background is a given
[08:04] <dabaSlon> not here, the tab you closed is the nth tab, and it selects the new nth tab here.
[08:04] <anethema> IIIEars, if that didnt work
[08:04] <anethema> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:04] <anethema> heh
[08:04] <dabaSlon> IIIEars: not that I know...
[08:04] <mpq> how do I use ipods in linux?
[08:04] <GattonAFK> |||Ears I am lost man :(  I just added a new repository to my sources.list and that worked for me *shrug*
[08:04] <GattonAFK> mpq, gtkpod!
[08:04] <tritium> anethema, you like hitting the return key a lot, don't you ;)
[08:04] <dabaSlon> ust do the sudo command, and it will be installed.
[08:04] <GattonAFK> it ain't elegant but it works :)
[08:04] <IIIEars> it has some trouble building a dependency tree.
[08:04] <dabaSlon> me too, too much.
[08:05] <anethema> haha i know tritium its a bad habit of mine...use it as punctuation
[08:05] <dabaSlon> right, cause you need to get it through apt-get.
[08:05] <dabaSlon> Paste your sources.list to pastebin.com, pls/
[08:06] <anethema> i wish when you booted ubuntu it said FOLLOW ALL DIRECTIONS IN UBUNTUGUIDE.ORG
[08:06] <anethema> haha
[08:06] <GattonAFK> bwahaha
[08:06] <anethema> 99% of the questions i see here are asked right out of the guide
[08:06] <tritium> not all the guidance on ubuntuguide.org is good advice
[08:06] <anethema> well, 95 percent of it i
[08:06] <anethema> s
[08:06] <GattonAFK> anethema i agree. i have been using it for about 12 hrs and just found out about that site from this room :)
[08:06] <anethema> like
[08:06] <IIIEars> lol - i have added repositories before. - this just didn't show up. - lol
[08:06] <dabaSlon> anethema: I noticed that ppl at this channel, that are ops do not like that guide too much.
[08:06] <anethema> some people dont like the java
[08:06] <anethema> but i coudlnt find a nicer way to install java
[08:07] <anethema> wish there was a dpkg for it
[08:07] <transgress> i think i'd prefer the ubuntu official wiki
[08:07] <tritium> anethema, java-package, dude
[08:07] <metalsand> Grrr
[08:07] <metalsand> The color does effect the Gnome drag/hide bars
[08:07] <transgress> the ubuntu wiki has a very nice way to install java
[08:07] <anethema> didnt really wanna make my own
[08:07] <dabaSlon> metalsand: I dont suppose your PCMCIA works yet, hey?
[08:07] <metalsand> dabaSlon: Nope
[08:07] <metalsand> and guess what
[08:07] <tritium> anethema, it's easy as anything
[08:07] <metalsand> The internal one that did work
[08:07] <GattonAFK> pastebin.com...cool idea. i'm gonna hang around this room just for the good links
[08:07] <dabaSlon> again, hey?
[08:07] <metalsand> Isn't even IN my laptop anymore
[08:08] <metalsand> So
[08:08] <anethema> hmmm
[08:08] <metalsand> No there's no chance at a connection with it
[08:08] <metalsand> now*
[08:08] <anethema> well other than the programs
[08:08] <dabaSlon> GattonAFK: yeah, crimsun I think brought taht one...
[08:08] <anethema> like the get sound working properly
[08:08] <anethema> that fixes almost everything
[08:08] <anethema> for sound
[08:08] <metalsand> I seriously don't know what I'm going to do
[08:08] <hasan> (can i ask something to someone?)
[08:08] <metalsand> I've gone through pretty much all of the most knowledgable people in this channel
[08:08] <dabaSlon> just give it more time, and have a dual boot.
[08:08] <LeeColleton> PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms
[08:09] <anethema> hasan, just ask
[08:09] <dabaSlon> good one.
[08:09] <anethema> if someone knows they will help
[08:09] <dabaSlon> hasan, are you from ex-Yu?
[08:09] <hasan> i use ubuntu now but
[08:09] <hasan> i cant understad ex-YU
[08:09] <hasan> sorry?
[08:09] <dabaSlon> then you are not, thanks.
[08:10] <hasan> :)
[08:10] <dabaSlon> right, whats up with yor Ubuntu?
[08:10] <LeeColleton> ex-Yu, the country formerly known as Yugoslavia
[08:10] <dabaSlon> pretty good.
[08:10] <hasan> i didn't register root user
[08:10] <dabaSlon> ok, and?
[08:10] <dabaSlon> ubuntu comes with root locked.
[08:10] <Gatton> me neither ;)
[08:10] <anethema> what do you want to do hasan
[08:11] <dabaSlon> I did, though,..
[08:11] <hasan> but it is shown and i dont what its password is
[08:11] <hasan> ..
[08:11] <tritium> hasan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:11] <dabaSlon> your password.
[08:11] <anethema> it doesnt have one
[08:11] <hasan> for example
[08:11] <allyn> they really need to fix that
[08:11] <anethema> you cant login as root in default ubuntu hasan
[08:11] <allyn> confused me for awhile too
[08:11] <tritium> allyn, it's not in need of fixing
[08:11] <anethema> its not a big allyn
[08:11] <LeeColleton> allyn: fix what? your confusion?
[08:11] <anethema> big=bug
[08:11] <allyn> heh
[08:11] <Gatton> it would be nice if the installer just let you know. i was confused also till i read the docs (yea shoulda done that first). still
[08:12] <hasan> when i try to run a perl file, i cant
[08:12] <dabaSlon> hasan, try your password,
[08:12] <hasan> (soory for poor english !)
[08:12] <anethema> well most people who are familliar wiht linux and root would realize whats going on..and the rest wouldnt care
[08:12] <dabaSlon> add sudo in front of the command
[08:12] <anethema> yes
[08:12] <Gatton> hasan run   sudo filename  and then enter your password. it works for most things
[08:12] <anethema> and when it asks for password, just put your password
[08:12] <allyn> i guess its o=worded correctly, it says your password im just used to other distros ahving a root password :-)
[08:12] <hasan> i will try, thanks
[08:12] <LeeColleton> hasan: if you want to run as root (DANGEROUS) you can type 'sudo -s'
[08:12] <dabaSlon> yup, try now.
[08:13] <hasan> ok.
[08:13] <Gatton> vmware complained when i wanted to run sudo but that's before someone suggested sudo su - so that would probably have worked for me
[08:13] <tritium> hasan, best to just read the URL I gave you
[08:13] <dabaSlon> that too..
[08:13] <anethema> sudo -s is good :)
[08:13] <hasan> ok. im root now :)
[08:13] <Gatton> anethema, thanks for the reminder :)
[08:13] <Dre> hello I am new to Ubuntu
[08:13] <dabaSlon> listen mostly to ppl that have the star, if they give you advice.
[08:14] <dabaSlon> hi, dre.
[08:14] <anethema> the star?
[08:14] <Gatton> hi Dre, same here
[08:14] <LeeColleton> hasan: hooray! now you can quickly and easily delete everything on your computer ;-)
[08:14] <tritium> hi Dre
[08:14] <dabaSlon> right beside their nick.
[08:14] <Gatton> bwahahha
[08:14] <dabaSlon> an op
[08:14] <anethema> in what client
[08:14] <ermanox> anyone runnig on a ppc?
[08:14] <anethema> heh
[08:14] <Dre> hello dabaSlon, Gatton, tritium
[08:14] <anethema> no star in xchat :)
[08:14] <Gatton> sudo rm - oh what was it now ;)
[08:14] <dabaSlon> ermanox: me.
[08:14] <allyn> xcaht has stars
[08:14] <hasan> ok LeeColleton, i will be carefull
[08:14] <LeeColleton> hasan: have fun!
[08:14] <anethema> not mine..just green circles
[08:14] <anethema> heh
[08:14] <allyn> or cicrles
[08:14] <Gatton> ermanox, not yet but i hope to try that soon on my emac
[08:14] <hasan> thanks :)
[08:14] <anethema> i know it means op :P just saying no star
[08:14] <anethema> s
[08:14] <anethema> hehe
[08:15] <ermanox> dabaSlon: Laptop perhaps?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> hasan: also do read the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:15] <dabaSlon> right, a g4 ibook
[08:15] <LeeColleton> hasan: and remember, everything worth keeping is worth backing up
[08:15] <LeeColleton> Even Jesus Saves
[08:15] <ermanox> Ubuntu runs great on older macs
[08:15] <allyn> i didnt know that until now, stil new to irc, how do you get stars?
[08:15] <dabaSlon> ok...I agree,.
[08:15] <hasan> dabaSlon: i'm reading now.
[08:15] <dabaSlon> someone adds you as an operator that has a start
[08:16] <dabaSlon> no t.
[08:16] <Dre> give me a min, I need to restart
[08:16] <anethema> allyn, you get opped if someone ops you
[08:16] <dabaSlon> or, a bot adds you...
[08:16] <Dre> brb
[08:16] <anethema> yes
[08:16] <anethema> hehe
[08:16] <allyn> ok i see now
[08:16] <Gatton> allyn grovel i guess ;)
[08:16] <anethema> just gives you control privs over channel functions
[08:16] <allyn> hehe
[08:16] <anethema> fellate the current ops for your own ops*
[08:16] <anethema> *must be a hot chick
[08:17] <dabaSlon> ermanox: is there a follow up?
[08:17] <tritium> huh?
[08:17] <Gatton> hehe
[08:17] <dabaSlon> or a guy, if the op is a chick...
[08:17] <Gatton> or not. come on guys this is the 21st century! ;)
[08:17] <LeeColleton> anethema: are you working on fostering inclusivity and community in the channel?
[08:17] <mpq> okay, I'm copying my music folder from my windows partition
[08:18] <anethema> just suggesting paths to power ;)
[08:18] <mpq> once it's done I'm going to run gtkpod
[08:18] <dabaSlon> good stuff
[08:18] <dabaSlon> ermanox: anything?
[08:18] <mpq> if it works I won't need windows anymore
[08:18] <tritium> anethema, don't insinuate, though
[08:18] <ermanox> dabaSlon: Sorry doing 2 things at once
[08:18] <dabaSlon> cool
[08:19] <anethema> haha ill try
[08:20] <dabaSlon> dres back
[08:20] <Dre> hello :D
[08:20] <ermanox> dabaSlon: have you been able to dual boot with 10.3 ?
[08:20] <dabaSlon> yo!
[08:20] <dabaSlon> yes
[08:20] <dabaSlon> A harder process...
[08:21] <dabaSlon> create needed partitions using the OSX cd...
[08:21] <dabaSlon> install OSX, run ubuntu install
[08:21] <dabaSlon> leave a newworld partition on aboutl....
[08:21] <dabaSlon> not sure how much of the first partition
[08:21] <Dre> I'm new to nix
[08:21] <dabaSlon> Right, sweet, youll like it.
[08:21] <Gatton> dabaSlon, silly question...can you resize an HPFS partition after the fact? Or would I be better off just reformatting and reinstalling OSX?
[08:21] <Dre> alright
[08:22] <Gatton> to install Ubuntu along side I mean
[08:22] <dabaSlon> then, you install Linux, and put, the lilo in the first little partition, in fact it does it itself.
[08:22] <dabaSlon> gatton, not taht I know of...
[08:22] <dabaSlon> Not really particularly bound to any alreadty installed system
[08:22] <dabaSlon> I backup, and reinstall.
[08:23] <Gatton> I should consider putting Ubuntu on my G3 imac I don't use these days
[08:23] <dabaSlon> anethema: we have a common defect with the enter key...
[08:23] <dabaSlon> you should...
[08:23] <dabaSlon> it will run good, as ermanex said.
[08:23] <ermanox> I have tried but fall into yaboot died or OSX not working with mol
[08:23] <ermanox> do you still have use control in mol
[08:23] <ermanox> sorry USB
[08:23] <dabaSlon> ermanox.
[08:23] <tritium> dabaSlon, it's contagious, it would seem
[08:24] <dabaSlon> telling you, leave a small partition on the begginingof the hard drive for lilo to place itself.
[08:24] <dabaSlon> A newworld boot partition
[08:24] <dabaSlon> tritium: no, I do it anyhow, without regards to anethema...
[08:24] <ermanox> I have ubuntu on a g3 500 ibook now
[08:24] <Gatton> dabaSlon, it's just for lilo? so it could be tiny i imagine?
[08:24] <dabaSlon> ermanox: try what I said, it should work, and there are instructions on the WIKI, I think.
[08:25] <ermanox> Thanks dabaSlon
[08:25] <dabaSlon> Right, like I thik it is 10 MB, or something on mine.
[08:25] <Gatton> ok cool
[08:25] <tritium> good night, guys
[08:25] <Gatton> night tritium
[08:25] <allyn> good morning here :-)
[08:25] <dabaSlon> I dont remember, and would probably have trouble isntalling it now, since I did it 2 months ago, and only teice:)
[08:25] <anethema> hha
[08:25] <dabaSlon> night, tritiu
[08:25] <anethema> you guys bugging me about my enter key pressing :P
[08:25] <dabaSlon> m
[08:26] <tritium> night, Gatton, dabaSlon
[08:26] <Gatton> anethema
[08:26] <Gatton> no big deal
[08:26] <Gatton> doesn't bother me ;)
[08:26] <Gatton> now if all 465 people did it ;)
[08:26] <anethema> you leavin tritium ? ttyl
[08:26] <tritium> anethema, yep, got to get some sleep.  talk to you later on
[08:26] <anethema> haha yes that would make things very hard to read
[08:26] <anethema> yep im always here..helping or beeing helped
[08:26] <anethema> haha
[08:26] <Gatton> scrollin' scrollin' scrollin'
[08:27] <metalsand> When I mount Hda1 (windows) under windows/media
[08:27] <dabaSlon> b**** Ill have them p*** lips swollen....as Method Man would say.
[08:27] <metalsand> What dir will it be listed as in term?
[08:27] <anethema> windows/media
[08:27] <anethema> heheh
[08:27] <dabaSlon> rollin, \rollin, rollin...
[08:27] <anethema> /media/windows?
[08:27] <metalsand> Saying no such dir
[08:27] <Dre> where do I find my folders?
[08:27] <anethema> uhh how are you mounting it ?
[08:27] <dabaSlon> create the dir, then mount
[08:27] <anethema> just mount it in the console metalsand
[08:27] <mpq> is there a way to change permissions on all the files in a directory at once?
[08:27] <dabaSlon> Dre: which folders?
[08:28] <Gatton> Dre, which folders you looking for?
[08:28] <Dre> my windows folders
[08:28] <dabaSlon> do you have a windows partition?
[08:28] <metalsand> I have it auto mount at boot
[08:28] <mpq> I copied my itunes folder from my windows partition and now all the files are read-only
[08:28] <Dre> yes I do
[08:28] <metalsand> I want it for my mp3 collection
[08:28] <dabaSlon> change the,
[08:28] <dabaSlon> mpq: change the permission
[08:28] <mpq> I tried that
[08:28] <anethema> metalsand, mount it yourself
[08:28] <anethema> and put it in your fstab
[08:28] <metalsand> what's the apt-get command for the gsomething plugin for ryhmbox?
[08:28] <mpq> it only changed the top file
[08:28] <dabaSlon> Dre: which oartition is it, first, second...
[08:28] <mpq> I have like a thousand files
[08:28] <anethema> metalsand, apt search it
[08:28] <anethema> heh
[08:29] <mpq> with one mp3 in each folder
[08:29] <dabaSlon> what command tdid you use?
[08:29] <mpq> it would take way too long to change them all
[08:29] <dabaSlon> do sudo chmod -R folder name,
[08:29] <Gatton> can't you change the perms on a whole folder at once?
[08:29] <Gatton> ahh cool that's it
[08:29] <allyn> mpq change the permissions in fstab
[08:29] <mpq> fstab?
[08:29] <dabaSlon> sudo chmod -R +x folder name
[08:29] <Dre> first
[08:29] <anethema> yes -R
[08:29] <anethema> oh
[08:29] <anethema> dabaSlon, got it
[08:29] <anethema> hehe
[08:29] <dabaSlon> ok, you will need to moutn the hard disk
[08:30] <mpq> what is chmod?
[08:30] <Dre> how do I do that?
[08:30] <dabaSlon> Dre: sudo mkdir /media/windows or replace windows with anything...
[08:30] <dabaSlon> not cdrom, or something liek that.
[08:30] <dabaSlon> that already exists in the /media folder
[08:30] <Gatton> brb
[08:30] <Dre> in my shell?
[08:30] <dabaSlon> in a terminal, yues.
[08:31] <mpq> how do I change the permissions on a big group of files?
[08:31] <dabaSlon>  sudo chmod -R +x folder name
[08:31] <Dre> done
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Dre: good, now you mount the hard drive...follows...
[08:31] <dabaSlon> Dre: all right, do you know if it is ntfs?
[08:31] <Dre> sudo chmod -R +x folder name <-- is this for me?
[08:31] <allyn> mpq are the files al on their own partition?
[08:31] <dabaSlon> nope
[08:31] <dabaSlon> for mpq
[08:32] <Dre> yes it is ntfs
[08:32] <dabaSlon> ok, here is a command you will use..
[08:32] <anethema> might need -t ntfs, but doubtful
[08:32] <dabaSlon> if anethema does not beat me to it.
[08:32] <anethema> haha
[08:32] <Dre> lol
[08:32] <mpq> it didn't work
[08:32] <Dre> okie what do I type
[08:32] <dabaSlon> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[08:32] <mpq> chmod didn't work
[08:32] <dabaSlon> assuming you made a /media/windows
[08:32] <anethema> it usually detects ntfs fine, but sometimes not
[08:33] <Dre> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[08:33] <mpq> all the mp3s are still read-only
[08:33] <dabaSlon> mpq: what is the folder name?
[08:33] <mpq> itunes
[08:33] <dabaSlon> Dre: ok, try, sudo mount /dev/sa1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[08:33] <mpq> I copied the itunes folder to linux from windows
[08:33] <anethema> +x is executable
[08:33] <dabaSlon> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[08:33] <anethema> to make them not read only do -r
[08:33] <loren> dabaSlon: i love that command lol it's saved me a lot :)
[08:33] <dabaSlon> ok, well, are you using gnome?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> loren: which one, mount?
[08:34] <mpq> I did chmod -R
[08:34] <mpq> it didn't change the files
[08:34] <dabaSlon> mpq: are you using gnome?
[08:34] <Dre> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[08:34] <mpq> yes
[08:34] <Razor-X> mpq: chmod 777
[08:34] <anethema> no no
[08:34] <anethema> -R is for recursive
[08:34] <anethema> do -r and -R
[08:34] <Razor-X> what drive is this?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> Dre: ok, go, ls /dev , and paste that output to http://pastebin.com , please.
[08:35] <anethema> chmod -r -R <foldername>
[08:35] <dabaSlon> heeh, I add a please cause crimsundoes.
[08:35] <webmind> anethema, huh? chmod doesn't have a -r ?
[08:35] <dabaSlon> mpq: find and open a folder in the gnome.
[08:35] <anethema> does it not?
[08:35] <anethema> then use 666
[08:35] <dabaSlon> Then, select all files.
[08:35] <cyphase> hey everybody
[08:35] <dabaSlon> then, right, click and properties, and change the permission.
[08:35] <mpq> WTF?
[08:35] <mpq> now the folder is gone
[08:35] <anethema> hhaa
[08:36] <anethema> doh
[08:36] <dabaSlon> did you rm -r?
[08:36] <dabaSlon> cyphase: welcome:)
[08:36] <anethema> chmod 666 -r folder
[08:36] <mpq> no
[08:36] <mpq> I did chmod
[08:36] <anethema> might need sudo
[08:36] <mpq> and now the folder's gone
[08:36] <cyphase> ;)
[08:36] <Dre> done
[08:36] <dabaSlon> Dre: once you have pasted, please give us the URL
[08:36] <mpq> I did sudo every time
[08:36] <dabaSlon> ok, get it again.
[08:36] <dabaSlon> and change the perms through gnome.
[08:36] <dabaSlon> nautilus
[08:37] <Dre> dabaSlon,  http://pastebin.com/282000
[08:37] <dabaSlon> sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[08:37] <dabaSlon> You ahve 3 hard drives?
[08:37] <Razor-X> yet, no hda....
[08:37] <Razor-X> odd....
[08:37] <anethema> oops that removes read permissions, not sets them
[08:37] <anethema> ahah
[08:37] <anethema> im an idiot
[08:37] <anethema> +4
[08:38] <anethema> +r
[08:38] <dabaSlon> oh, yrah
[08:38] <anethema> thats better
[08:38] <anethema> chmod +r +R folder
[08:38] <Dre> no i have 2 hdd
[08:38] <anethema> that will work
[08:38] <dabaSlon> mpq: tried through gnome?
[08:38] <Dre> wait
[08:38] <dabaSlon> cool, did that work?
[08:38] <Dre> I have 1 hdd
[08:38] <mpq> the folder is gone
[08:38] <dabaSlon> mpq: get the folder again?
[08:38] <anethema> it cant be
[08:38] <Dre> but partitioned it to 2
[08:39] <anethema> it cant be gone
[08:39] <mpq> when I changed permissions it only changed the first folder
[08:39] <dabaSlon> Dre: command worked?
[08:39] <anethema> do a sudo ls -la
[08:39] <mpq> it didn't change any of the files inside the folders
[08:39] <anethema> mpq,
[08:39] <anethema> it will be there
[08:39] <Razor-X> Dre: by chance, are you using Partition Magic?
[08:39] <dabaSlon> haha
[08:39] <dabaSlon> right, we made root be able to do everything
[08:39] <Dre> nope
[08:39] <mpq> the icon has that x on it now
[08:39] <mpq> and I can't click on it
[08:39] <mpq> when I click on it it disappears
[08:40] <anethema> go in the console
[08:40] <anethema> forget the gui
[08:40] <dabaSlon> mpq: remove the folder, readd it, and use the gui, my advice
[08:40] <anethema> if you have a backup of the folder then do that sure
[08:40] <dabaSlon> Dre: mounted?
[08:40] <Razor-X> mpq: type sudo chmod 777 -R /path/to/folder
[08:40] <anethema> not 7
[08:40] <anethema> 6
[08:41] <anethema> 666
[08:41] <Dre> yes
[08:41] <dabaSlon> then he canbt execute
[08:41] <Dre> do I do a ls now?
[08:41] <dabaSlon> cool
[08:41] <anethema> why does he want to execute mp3s
[08:41] <dabaSlon> do a ls /media/windows
[08:41] <anethema> arent they mp3s?
[08:41] <dabaSlon> yes, they play
[08:41] <dabaSlon> you have to execute
[08:41] <dabaSlon> in an appropriate program
[08:41] <Razor-X> anethema: why are you against 777?
[08:41] <mpq> oh, it's working now
[08:41] <anethema> no you dont dabaSlon
[08:41] <mpq> but gtkpod doesn't work right
[08:41] <dabaSlon> mpq: excellent
[08:41] <Dre> ahh I see it now
[08:41] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:41] <anethema> dont need a text file executable to open  it
[08:42] <dabaSlon> imm totally ripping off crimsun tonight
[08:42] <dabaSlon> Dre: excellent
[08:42] <Dre> but now, how do I go into my other partition
[08:42] <dabaSlon> which onme?
[08:42] <mpq> I want it to use the itunes db but it won't
[08:42] <Dre> sudo mount /dev/hdc2 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[08:42] <anethema> keep in mind dabaSlon you dont need +x to play mp3s
[08:42] <anethema> heheh
[08:42] <Dre> do I do that?
[08:42] <dabaSlon> nope
[08:42] <dabaSlon> what is the othe partition, the linux?
[08:42] <mpq> it tries to access the ipod but the ipod has no files on it
[08:43] <Dre> okie i did 3 partitions
[08:43] <dabaSlon> why would I keep it in ind?
[08:43] <Dre> 2 for windows
[08:43] <dabaSlon> mymo3 come +x
[08:43] <Dre> 1 for nix
[08:43] <Razor-X> anethema: you don't?
[08:43] <anethema> how did you mount the ipod
[08:43] <dabaSlon> ok, second also windows?
[08:43] <anethema> no you dont.
[08:43] <Dre> yes
[08:43] <Dre> last one is nix
[08:43] <dabaSlon> sudo mkdir /media/windows2 or something more createive
[08:43] <abbot45> if i end a command with ' instead of " and it goes down to just a > at the begining of each line, how do i get back?
[08:43] <anethema> you never need a file to be executable to read it
[08:43] <dabaSlon> then to the otehr thing you said yes
[08:43] <anethema> ok mpq
[08:44] <mpq> what?
[08:44] <metalsand> Sleepy time for me
[08:44] <anethema> i bet it got mounted as fat instead of vfat or something
[08:44] <metalsand> Night guys
[08:44] <dabaSlon> metalsand: good night
[08:44] <mpq> that's not the problem
[08:44] <anethema> probly cant find the database file
[08:44] <metalsand> I'm sure I'll see you all tommarow trying to get my card to work.
[08:44] <mpq> there's no files on it
[08:44] <metalsand> :)
[08:44] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:44] <Gatton> cya metalsand
[08:44] <Razor-X> anethema: shouldn't FAT be the same as VFAT?
[08:44] <anethema> cya metalsand
[08:44] <mpq> it's not a problem of a screwed up mount
[08:44] <anethema> good luck again
[08:44] <anethema> Razor-X, no
[08:44] <mpq> it just doesn't have files on it
[08:44] <Razor-X> anethema: what's the difference?
[08:44] <anethema> one supports long filenames, one doesnt
[08:44] <Razor-X> ohhh, ok
[08:45] <dabaSlon> anethema: oh, ok, youre right
[08:45] <Dre> gosh this will take a while for me to learn
[08:45] <anethema> about what? (not like im suprised haw haw ;) )
[08:45] <dabaSlon> well, you can automount them now.
[08:46] <anethema> well
[08:46] <anethema> if it had files on it in windows..but not now
[08:46] <anethema> something obviosuly screwed up
[08:46] <anethema> hehe
[08:46] <dabaSlon> Dre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[08:46] <dabaSlon> replace teh a's wiuth the c's
[08:46] <dabaSlon> and do it for both
[08:46] <anethema> man i love ubuntuguide
[08:46] <anethema> ive got sooo many things to submit to that guy
[08:47] <dabaSlon> jiyuu0 is his nick here
[08:47] <mpq> argh
[08:47] <mpq> gtkpod doesn't work right
[08:47] <Dre> how do I remove the folder?
[08:47] <dabaSlon> mpq: I dont use it.
[08:47] <Dre> rm -rf <folder>?
[08:47] <Razor-X> they need a Kubuntu guide, or at least, more KDE specifiec stuff
[08:47] <dabaSlon> umount /media/windows
[08:47] <cyphase> hmm..
[08:48] <cyphase> Firefox 1.0.4 is almost out, and Ubuntu is still on 1.0.2
[08:48] <Dre> oh crap
[08:48] <Dre> su root <-- to log in as root yes?
[08:48] <anethema> sudo -s
[08:48] <anethema> to be root
[08:48] <Burgundavia> cyphase, the security stuff was backported to 1.0.2
[08:49] <dabaSlon> Dre: also do read the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:49] <dabaSlon> what did you screw up?
[08:49] <cyphase> Burgundavia, oh, i c
[08:50] <dabaSlon> Dre: wht did you screw up?
[08:51] <Dre> root pass
[08:51] <Dre> holy shit
[08:52] <dabaSlon> what did you do, exactly?
[08:52] <anethema> root pass?
[08:52] <Dre> i tried to unmount
[08:52] <Dre> but it said I got to be root
[08:52] <dabaSlon> sudo umount
[08:52] <Dre> so i typed su root
[08:52] <dabaSlon> sorry about that.
[08:52] <Dre> asked my password and it said Sorry
[08:52] <Dre> lol
[08:52] <anethema> heh
[08:52] <anethema> not su root
[08:52] <dabaSlon> k, that is fine
[08:52] <anethema> sudo -s
[08:53] <anethema> easier
[08:53] <anethema> hehe
[08:53] <dabaSlon> dont even do it
[08:53] <anethema> yeah, i wouldnt
[08:53] <anethema> hehe
[08:53] <anethema> can also do sudo su
[08:53] <anethema> does the same thign
[08:53] <anethema> but yeah, dabaSlon is right, dont do either
[08:53] <anethema> haha
[08:53] <Dre> okie
[08:54] <dabaSlon> Dre: to unmount
[08:54] <Dre> so how do I remove the folders
[08:54] <anethema> just use sudo
[08:54] <dabaSlon> sudo umount folder name, asolute path
[08:54] <IIIEars> lol - now i AM really confused - wide grin
[08:54] <Dre> okie dokie
[08:54] <anethema> or sudo umount device
[08:54] <anethema> works
[08:54] <anethema> /dev/hda1 or whatever it happens to be
[08:55] <dabaSlon> its a c in this case.
[08:55] <anethema> sure
[08:55] <anethema> hehe
[08:55] <anethema> you also dont have to do an absolute path if you are in the subdir
[08:55] <Dre> okie if I wanted to reinstall Ubuntu and I got grub as a bootloader
[08:55] <anethema> ex: media
[08:55] <anethema> yes grub is default
[08:55] <Dre> how do I uninstall this
[08:55] <anethema> grub is good
[08:56] <anethema> better than lilo by far
[08:56] <IIIEars> grub is much better than lilo
[08:56] <Dre> cause I wanna reinstall this again
[08:56] <Dre> I forgot my root pass
[08:56] <Dre> lol
[08:56] <dabaSlon> different, lets use different
[08:56] <dabaSlon> there is no root pass.
[08:56] <Dre> oh none?
[08:56] <anethema> different and...crappier
[08:56] <dabaSlon> your own pass will work with sudo
[08:56] <anethema> i like crappier
[08:56] <Dre> ahh I see
[08:56] <anethema> lilo is better in no way
[08:56] <anethema> hehe
[08:56] <IIIEars> nah just the user pass and sudo\
[08:57] <anethema> stupid lilo..how many times do you edit your lilo config..reboot
[08:57] <Dre> do ubunthu have a book out?
[08:57] <Dre> so I could read up
[08:57] <anethema> then say DOH forgot to run lilo again
[08:57] <anethema> haha
[08:57] <dabaSlon> no
[08:57] <Dre> argh
[08:57] <dabaSlon> wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[08:57] <IIIEars> anathema - enjoys the pain and suffering of OSes like BSD from scratch - lol
[08:57] <anethema> hehe
[08:57] <anethema> cute how you typed my name wiht an A
[08:57] <anethema> must know the word
[08:58] <Dre> ubuntu can be used as a ns server and stuff?
[08:58] <Dre> webserver
[08:58] <anethema> can be used as anything
[08:58] <anethema> heh
[08:58] <anethema> its linux
[08:58] <dabaSlon> you use that sometimes, though
[08:58] <Dre> okie dokie
[08:58] <anethema> do i ?
[08:58] <anethema> oh
[08:58] <anethema> heh
[08:58] <dabaSlon> yup
[08:58] <Dre> how do I make myself a ns nameserver
[08:58] <dabaSlon> anathema
[08:58] <IIIEars> If you can imagine it someone has written code for linux to do it.
[08:59] <Gatton> hmmmmm
[08:59] <dabaSlon> look up the wiki, dre, I do not know.
[08:59] <anethema> hm
[08:59] <anethema> nickserv doesnt let me use anathema
[08:59] <anethema> so i must not use it for long
[08:59] <anethema> ahah
[08:59] <Gatton> it's actually harder to type anethema b/c i feel like i'm misspelling everytime heh
[08:59] <anethema> just type an then press tab :)
[09:00] <Gatton> anethema: ahhhh
[09:00] <Gatton> didn't know that
[09:00] <anethema> the joys of nick completion
[09:00] <Gatton> all my years in irc :)
[09:00] <IIIEars> poking around for software to enable a multi button mouse. I saw code for a 2 mouse driver in linux. - the real question as always is WHY???? - lol
[09:00] <anethema> and the akward moments that ensue
[09:00] <anethema> haha
[09:00] <Gatton> cuz one guy in Licthtenstein needed that feature so he hacked it up :)
[09:01] <Gatton> so to speak :)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, multiheaded systems?
[09:02] <joente> I can't use smbmount with ubuntu? (samba client is installed)
[09:02] <Gatton> joente, is smbfs installed?
[09:02] <Gatton> i had that problem earlier. i assumed if i had one i had the other but wasn't the case
[09:02] <joente> I installed it with apt-get
[09:02] <IIIEars> it was linked to a new keyboardless typing system that uses mouse "chords" like a court reporter. supposed to be faster.
[09:03] <IIIEars> interesting thought for a first person shooter maybe/
[09:03] <joente> with the GUI it works but the command mount -t smbfs.. failed
[09:04] <joente> error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on ....
[09:04] <sir-gold> IIIEars 2 mice with 1 pointer or 2?
[09:05] <IIIEars> 1 or two
[09:05] <IIIEars> evdev?
[09:05] <Gatton> joente, that's the same problem i had and turned out to be smbfs for me so not sure
[09:05] <sir-gold> 2 mice and 1 pointer makes sense with a laptop, i have a ps2 touchpad and a usb mouse
[09:05] <joente> how can i see if it's installed correctly?
[09:06] <sir-gold> fortunatly ubuntu figured it out right away and both work
[09:06] <Drako60> that was an unpleasent reboot after kernel upgrade
[09:06] <IIIEars> very nice
[09:07] <_23meg> anyone playing cube?
[09:08] <LeeColleton> IIIEars: a chording keyboard was used in the first public demo of an interactive computer system, ca. 1950
[09:08] <LeeColleton> not exactly "new"
[09:08] <joente> I read that you must have /sbin/mount.smbfs, I don't have that file...
[09:09] <anethema> its super easy to views smb shares in nautilus
[09:09] <anethema> if you feel you must use the command line
[09:09] <anethema> try smbclient
[09:10] <anethema> its a ftpish interface
[09:10] <Gatton> joente, you can do  sudo apt-get install smbfs
[09:10] <Gatton> but yea like anethema says nautilus (or konqueror in my case) can view them easily
[09:11] <anethema> you should install smbfs anyways
[09:11] <anethema> smb and smbfs
[09:11] <dabaSlon> 1337
[09:11] <Gatton> i know i installed it earlier today and just assumed (yea yea i know) that when i got samba i got smbfs but wasn't the case
[09:12] <joente> E: Package smbfs has no installation candidate..
[09:12] <dabaSlon> hah, who invented that stupid thing...
[09:12] <SiTtInG_dUcK> Hey guys i  have a prob i can log in to the ubuntu site with my password and email address fine but when i try to use it to get the cd sent 2  me it tells me that my password is incorrect enven though both email address and password are fine
[09:12] <dabaSlon> I guess its not stupid...
[09:13] <Gatton> it looks like smbfs is not on the main repository? or maybe it's in universe?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: try contacting the Ubuntu team through their web site?
[09:14] <davekempe> smbfs is in universe
[09:14] <davekempe> cifs is probably what you wants tho
[09:16] <SiTtInG_dUcK> have looked on site but not found an email address so i try here to solve prob
[09:16] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: cool, let me try...
[09:17] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback
[09:18] <SiTtInG_dUcK> thnx
[09:18] <dabaSlon> SiTtInG_dUcK: yup.
[09:18] <dabaSlon> just a little directions..
[09:19] <Gatton> so where are you some of you folks? am i the only one for whom it's extraordinarily late (or early?) :)
[09:19] <dabaSlon> canada
[09:19] <thenuke> Finland
[09:20] <ivoks> croatia
[09:20] <wdh> holland..
[09:20] <Gatton> united states to answer my own query
[09:20] <dabaSlon> hey ivoks
[09:20] <wdh> its about 9 am here :)
[09:20] <dabaSlon> same in croatia
[09:21] <Gatton> wdh, lovely place. hope to visit some day
[09:21] <thenuke> 10@Morning
[09:21] <dabaSlon> that is a non valid email address:-p
[09:21] <thenuke> I would also like to see some parts of US
[09:21] <Gatton> thenuke: so would i. i haven't visited much of it :)
[09:21] <wdh> Gatton, the coffee is almost ready :P
[09:22] <thenuke> maybe some of those really big cities and then something completely else, south USA maybe
[09:22] <Gatton> thenuke: i'm in the south. come on by. you can try to teach me that impossible language you guys speak ;)
[09:23] <revelater> ok, now aterm quit working
[09:24] <revelater> correctly
[09:24] <revelater> and so did the alpha levels on the menu and tool bars
[09:24] <dabaSlon> i lke you r desktop, revelater
[09:24] <thenuke> Gatton: Very possible to teach some words or simple sentences :)
[09:24] <dabaSlon> I have the picture still
[09:25] <revelater> are you sure it was mine?
[09:25] <dabaSlon> yup
[09:25] <dabaSlon> the fluxbox
[09:25] <dabaSlon> blueish blk
[09:25] <revelater> ohhh, i thought i was in #fluxbox... oops
[09:25] <dabaSlon> with the monitors on the right
[09:25] <revelater> nope, mine are on the left
[09:26] <Gatton> thenuke: always enjoyed learning a few words here and there in other languages. is it more correct to say suomi?
[09:26] <thenuke> Gatton: Got that right
[09:26] <Gatton> cool
[09:27] <dabaSlon> revelater: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback
[09:27] <dabaSlon> haha
[09:27] <dabaSlon> revelater: http://142.161.156.182/flux_latest.jpg
[09:27] <thenuke> Gatton: I know one italian girl who learned to speak Suomi pretty good by ircing in finnish channels :D
[09:27] <revelater> thats pretty cool, but it aint mine
[09:28] <dabaSlon> why is your IRC nick in there?
[09:28] <Gatton> thenuke: that sounds like a good way to practice. i think my pronunciation would still suck though :)
[09:28] <dabaSlon> oh, that was dazzed
[09:28] <dabaSlon> sorry:(
[09:28] <revelater> lol
[09:28] <threat> G'Day
[09:29] <dabaSlon> yo.
[09:29] <AstralJava> Gatton: If you're trying to pronounce something in Finnish, then don't worry. It's probably one of the toughest in this world. :)
[09:29] <thenuke> Gatton: Most definately yes :) For that Italian girl pronouncation would not be that hard because they have pretty same kind of pronouncation
[09:29] <Gatton> AstralJava: that was my impression too ;)
[09:29] <Gatton> thenuke: i have to admit though...most of my experience with spoken Finnish was from those Star Trek parodies heh
[09:30] <AstralJava> Oh, that's hilarious. :)
[09:30] <thenuke> Gatton: :D
[09:30] <thenuke> Gatton: They are SO great :D
[09:30] <threat> Star Trek parodies?
[09:30] <Gatton> hehe
[09:30] <thenuke> threat: Starwreck
[09:30] <Gatton> fire twinklers and light balls
[09:30] <thenuke> http://www.starwreck.com/
[09:31] <threat> thenuke, I see
[09:31] <threat> hmmm on an unrelated topic, does samba support FileSystem (Reiserfs) ACL's?
[09:32] <threat> s/samba/the samba that ships with Ubuntu :)/
[09:33] <dabaSlon> threat: and now for something conpletely diff...
[09:34] <threat> dabaSlon, heh
[09:34] <threat> dabaSlon, I like the boring life of an accountant
[09:34] <ivoks> i hate when this happens...
[09:35] <threat> any way
[09:35] <dabaSlon> threat: exolain taht...
[09:35] <threat> dabaSlon, "dabaSlon threat: and now for something conpletely diff..." I assume you were referring to Monty Python?
[09:36] <dabaSlon> right...is there the accountant thinf in it too?
[09:36] <dabaSlon> I am a fan, did not watch muchm though
[09:36] <dabaSlon> what was that ivoks?
[09:37] <dabaSlon> puls, a?
[09:37] <dabaSlon> hehe
[09:37] <dabaSlon> k, night all...
[09:46] <alexandre> hi
[09:47] <Echylo> damn too quiet around here
[09:47] <Echylo> no one has problems? :P
[09:47] <Gatton> well
[09:47] <alexandre> i have a little problem with rythmbox
[09:47] <Gatton> when you say problems :)
[09:47] <Echylo> they all come
[09:48] <Echylo> what alexandre
[09:48] <alexandre> when i try to read my music, i got an error: "could not open resource for writing"
[09:48] <alexandre> any idea?
[09:48] <Echylo> hmm
[09:48] <Echylo> .ogg, .mp3 ?
[09:48] <alexandre> mp3
[09:49] <Echylo> sure that mp3 support is installed?
[09:49] <alexandre> yes; i was reading exactly the same file tomorrow
[09:49] <sir-gold> alexandre are you using hoary?
[09:49] <alexandre> yep
[09:49] <sir-gold> then mp3 playback is installed
[09:49] <cyphase> y is it that gnome play's mp3 when you scroll over them, but not ogg's?
[09:50] <alexandre> apt-get install gstreamer-mad already done
[09:50] <Echylo> hmm, is it with one specific file? I guess not
[09:50] <sir-gold> i didn't have to install gstreamer to play mp3s
[09:50] <alexandre> no, i cant read any music file
[09:51] <alexandre> if i try to open a file with totem, i have the same error
[09:51] <anethema> goddamn vlc is buggy
[09:51] <anethema> the hotkeys are soo iffy
[09:51] <anethema> sometimes work, sometimes not
[09:51] <anethema> bah
[09:51] <sir-gold> anethema http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[09:51] <Echylo> :)
[09:51] <anethema> they are lucky the video is so smooth
[09:51] <anethema> i have no sound problems
[09:52] <anethema> heh
[09:52] <Echylo> its alexandre sir-gold :P
[09:52] <anethema> but ill look anyways
[09:52] <sir-gold> err, yeah alexandre
[09:52] <Echylo> I was confusing them too
[09:52] <sir-gold> too many people in this channel, i can't be so lazy with the tab completeion
[09:52] <Echylo> hehe :)
[09:53] <revelater> hey guys, after installing a cursor, how do i get rid of it?
[09:53] <anethema> haha
[09:53] <sir-gold> its pretty bad when i have to type 5 or 6 letters for tab complete to work right
[09:53] <lampshade> So I just followed the fact for installing media codecs, but mplayer still can't play .wmv neither can totem, ideas?  I got nothing  I thought the w32codecs would take care of that
[09:53] <Echylo> hehe, just type their whole name, so you practice typing ;)
[09:54] <sir-gold> its really bad when i try to tab complete words
[09:54] <revelater> yah, but some people got some capitol letters spread out and some wierd characters going on...
[09:54] <revelater> sir-gold: i didn't even know i could do that until just now :p
[09:54] <sir-gold> what reall annoys me is names that start with `
[09:54] <Echylo> lampshade, I have exactly the same problem, everything except wmv
[09:54] <revelater> YES
[09:54] <Echylo> lel sir :)
[09:55] <revelater> lel?
[09:55] <Echylo> laughing extremely loud
[09:55] <revelater> i see
[09:55] <anethema> lampshade,  and Echylo
[09:55] <Echylo> :p
[09:55] <revelater> anywho, anyone here install a different curser?
[09:55] <anethema> uninsyall the totem you have now wiht synaptic
[09:55] <anethema> and install totem-xine
[09:55] <Echylo> I did
[09:55] <anethema> then go to the mplayer site...
[09:56] <anethema> and download the codecs
[09:56] <revelater> and compile
[09:56] <anethema> and put them in the totem codecs dir
[09:56] <revelater> from source
[09:56] <Echylo> owk
[09:56] <sir-gold> revelater in control panel go to peripherals>mouse>cursor tab
[09:56] <sir-gold> select the theme and remove it
[09:56] <revelater> sir-gold: lol, i don't have a control panel
[09:56] <Echylo> system
[09:56] <sir-gold> control center
[09:56] <revelater> sir-gold: nope
[09:56] <Echylo> I'm on a windows machine(school) so I can't give directions :p
[09:56] <revelater> sir-gold: using fluxbox
[09:57] <revelater> sir-gold: if there is a program that can handle it i can still fun it
[09:57] <revelater> run
[09:57] <sir-gold> kcontrol
[09:58] <revelater> is that a kde tool?
[09:58] <sir-gold> hmm, i wonder what its called in gnome
[09:58] <sir-gold> yeah
[09:58] <revelater> i haven't installed kde...
[09:58] <sir-gold> try it anyway
[09:58] <wdh> gnome-control-center iirc
[09:58] <revelater> just did :P
[09:58] <sir-gold> gcontrol?
[09:59] <wdh> sir-gold, gnome-control-center
[09:59] <revelater> ok, what would it be under then/
[09:59] <revelater> ?
[09:59] <revelater> theme?
[09:59] <Echylo> try it? :)
[09:59] <sir-gold> i don't see why there has to be 2 completely different versions of every app just because kde and gnome are different
[10:00] <Burgundavia> sir-gold, NotMadeHere TM
[10:00] <sir-gold> revelater mouse
[10:01] <revelater> sir-gold: i don't think thats it, i think it was theme
[10:01] <alexandre> ok, i have installed xmms and it now working
[10:01] <revelater> mouse doens't give me any options as to themes
[10:01] <alexandre> but nt rhytmnbox
[10:02] <lampshade> anethema, You don't happen to know where that totem codecs dir is supposed to be do you?
[10:02] <sir-gold> not themes, pointers
[10:02] <revelater> alexandre: try synaptic
[10:02] <sir-gold> or cursor
[10:02] <bosewicht> relelater...u need to configuration editor
[10:02] <bosewicht> rhythmbox is installed with ubuntu
[10:02] <revelater> there is neither
[10:03] <bosewicht> u need to install the configuration editor
[10:03] <revelater> well, there is cursers, but it only allows the changing of the size and highlighting thing
[10:03] <bosewicht> u can change the cursor
[10:03] <revelater> bosewicht: configuration editor?
[10:04] <revelater> bosewicht: i just need to make sure i can change it back when i get tired of this style
[10:04] <bosewicht> after u install it go to /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse
[10:04] <bosewicht> u can
[10:04] <revelater> but... what if i am not using gnome?
[10:04] <bosewicht> what are u using?
[10:05] <revelater> fluxbox
[10:05] <bosewicht> hmm, u can change the cursor in flux too....i dont remember how tho
[10:05] <bosewicht> i have used flux in a while
[10:05] <Echylo> so much trouble for a thing you just click with :p
[10:05] <bosewicht> lol
[10:06] <revelater> well, i ran an install sh and i am not sure what it did, or how to reverse it
[10:06] <bosewicht> use a mouseless wm
[10:06] <Echylo> use terminal :p
[10:06] <revelater> fluxbox
[10:06] <revelater> can be
[10:06] <bosewicht> install sh what?
[10:06] <Echylo> gtg
[10:06] <revelater> the cursor
[10:07] <MetallicB> Finaly
[10:07] <MetallicB> got temponairy internet :@
[10:07] <MetallicB> just 20 minutes and il be poof offline
[10:07] <bosewicht> i usally put the mouse themes in ~/.icons
[10:07] <k31th> morning guys
[10:07] <revelater> should i just remove it then/
[10:08] <k31th> i got ubuntu on the laptop now :D
[10:08] <revelater> my laptop has super powers
[10:08] <bosewicht> ubuntu is laptop friendly
[10:08] <revelater> and it disguises itself as a desktop pc
[10:08] <kevin06> It is indeed!
[10:09] <k31th> lol
[10:09] <k31th> yeah its running nice
[10:09] <k31th> had gentoo on here before
[10:09] <revelater> bosewicht: so if i just delete the file what will happen?
[10:09] <k31th> havent got time for a stage 1 tbh
[10:09] <bosewicht> it will be gone   :)
[10:09] <k31th> this seems pretty nippy mind you
[10:09] <anethema> ok guys bedtime, gotta be up in 4 hours
[10:09] <kevin06> Hey, I am looking for a software recommendation. I need something similar to iPhoto on OS X. Any recommendations?
[10:09] <bosewicht> gthumb?
[10:09] <bosewicht> never used iphoto tho
[10:10] <kevin06> Picasa then?
[10:10] <kevin06> When I was still tethered to Microshitty.
[10:10] <jsgotangco> use F-Spot
[10:10] <revelater> bosewicht: ummmm, will the system crash, will i not have a curser, or will it revert to default/
[10:10] <bosewicht> hmm, gthumb is good..image viewer
[10:10] <lampshade> why does mplayer choke and die whenever I try to use it on a webpage--the mplayer plugin or whatever
[10:10] <bosewicht> it should revert to default
[10:11] <revelater> i will test it out later
[10:11] <bosewicht> did u link or copy mplayer plugin to firefox?
[10:11] <alexandre> anyone know if there is lang-chat (like ubuntu-fr or...)
[10:11] <revelater> i can run everything by keyboard, so it doesn't worry
[10:11] <revelater> me
[10:11] <revelater> mouse just makes somethings faster
[10:12] <revelate1> hey look, its mee too
[10:12] <rj_> does the first african in space ever  come in here?
[10:12] <rj_> :/
[10:12] <lampshade> bosewicht, I'm not sure, what does that mean?  I click a link and the webpage will change to an mplayerplugin-in thing?
[10:12] <bosewicht> but it doesn't play?
[10:12] <revelate1> hi me!!
[10:12] <revelater> hey me!!
[10:13] <AstralJava> alexandre: There are some lang-chats, I'd be surprised if there weren't one for French. Try it, you'll be alone if there are no one else. :)
[10:13] <lampshade> bosewicht, no, what am I missing here?  I just followed the thing in the faq or whatever that is
[10:13] <lampshade> ubuntuguide.org -- just followed that
[10:13] <alexandre> in #ubuntu-fr i'ml alone :(
[10:13] <alexandre> well no
[10:13] <alexandre> sorry lol
[10:14] <Gatton> alexandre: i forgot my high school french lessons :(
[10:14] <alexandre> Gatton, np :)
[10:15] <bosewicht> lampshade...check u might need to slink or mv the plugin to firefox/plugins
[10:15] <bosewicht> brb
[10:17] <rj_> alexandre: quel semble tre le problme ?
[10:18] <rj_> je ne parle pas franais trs bon :/!
[10:19] <bosewicht> lampshade.....let me install it and see what happens
[10:20] <nubious> wewp - sup threat?
[10:21] <piratawww> holaa
[10:22] <threat> nub_brb, nadda
[10:22] <threat> need some samba filesystem ACL information/help though :)
[10:25] <j2dope> hi. i;ve installed bluetooth appz on ubuntu, but none seem to work? any advice?
[10:25] <k31th> j2dope: im just about to do bluetooth
[10:26] <alexandre> rj_, effectivement :) mais l'effort est meritant
[10:26] <j2dope> i used the synaptic package manager to install all the bluetooth stuff i could find
[10:26] <Gatton> well day one of ubuntu is a hit so far for me. night folks
[10:26] <j2dope> none work.. but bluetooth worked on Mandrake for me. and windows natually has no probz with it
[10:26] <Gatton> bonne nuit alexandre (apologies if i got that wrong!)
[10:27] <k31th> j2dope: did u install bluez
[10:27] <j2dope> everything except bluez-cups cos i dont have a printer
[10:28] <j2dope> no 'bluetooth' apps appear in my application menu either...
[10:28] <k31th> and if u type hciconfig
[10:28] <k31th> wat happens
[10:29] <k31th> j2dope: im guessing its usb ?
[10:29] <k31th> if so
[10:29] <k31th> do
[10:29] <k31th> lsusb
[10:29] <j2dope> k31th: http://pastebin.com/282024
[10:30] <cyphase> does anyone here know what exactly launchpad is?
[10:30] <k31th> j2dope:  mines the same. wat about lsusb
[10:31] <cyphase> and why can't you access the launchpad wiki without a password?
[10:31] <alexandre> Gatton, Np pas de probleme
[10:32] <j2dope> k31th: http://pastebin.com/282025
[10:33] <Burgundavia> cyphase, the launchpad wiki is for internal specs
[10:33] <Burgundavia> cyphase, basically how to do it technically
[10:34] <cyphase> hmm..
[10:35] <k31th> j2dope: im lookin bare with me im at work :p
[10:35] <j2dope> no worries mate
[10:35] <cyphase> shtoom looks interesting
[10:36] <Burgundavia> cyphase, launchpad is suite of apps for doing cool stuff
[10:36] <Burgundavia> cyphase, a better bug tracker, etc.
[10:36] <helloyo> is there a way for me to use a refresh rate of more then 60Hz on my new monitor (it handles it)
[10:36] <cyphase> for distro management you mean..
[10:37] <cyphase> not as a package in ubuntu
[10:37] <Burgundavia> cyphase, mostly for distro management
[10:37] <cyphase> i c
[10:37] <k31th> j2dope: you from the UK
[10:37] <ik> hi
[10:37] <ik> how can i install a program?
[10:37] <cyphase> the Breezy goals list looks nice
[10:37] <cyphase> ;)
[10:37] <ik> sudo apt-get install?
[10:37] <cyphase> ik, synaptic
[10:38] <Crasp> hello, is it correct that libapache2-mod-php4 is broken on hoary?
[10:38] <sir-gold> ik run synaptic
[10:38] <cyphase> or apt-get
[10:38] <ik> oh ok
[10:38] <cyphase> but if your asking, you should use synaptic
[10:38] <ik> its says as root, so i use sudo?
[10:39] <cyphase> ik, yea
[10:39] <ik> oki :)
[10:39] <cyphase> or you could run it from System -> Administration
[10:39] <nubious> holy cripes
[10:39] <nubious> Hoary Hedgehog runs way faster that Mr. Warthog
[10:39] <ik> its runing now :)
[10:39] <nubious> hence the hedgehog I presume
[10:39] <sir-gold> ik when synaptic asks for a password, use your user password
[10:40] <j2dope> k31th: no im from australia
[10:40] <ik> oh ok thankyou :) sir-gold
[10:40] <sir-gold> you don't have to use sudo with it
[10:40] <ik> oh ok
[10:40] <cbruggeman> lol
[10:40] <sir-gold> technically synaptic uses sudo internally
[10:41] <ik> i see ok
[10:41] <k31th> j2dope: just wondered as you said mate :D right do this;sudo apt-get install gnome-bluetooth
[10:41] <k31th> j2dope: then fire it up and hit scan should find stuff
[10:42] <j2dope> k31th: couldn't find gnome-bluetooh :| which repository is it in?
[10:42] <k31th> i think its in universe
[10:42] <Crasp> does anybody know if there is a problem with apache2 and php4 on hoary?
[10:43] <Crasp> my apache tells me that php is not threadsafe compiled and therefore i cannot use php
[10:43] <sir-gold> Crasp http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28241.html
[10:43] <Crasp> sir-gold: thanks
[10:43] <ik> in synaptic its not nmap :(
[10:43] <cbruggeman> i have the same problem Crasp but me it's for the php and mysql
[10:43] <cbruggeman> but use php4 with apache
[10:44] <cbruggeman> not apache2
[10:44] <cbruggeman> for me it's good
[10:44] <Crasp> i do not have that option :)
[10:44] <k31th> j2dope: anyluck
[10:45] <j2dope> k31th: no. it's not in my repositories for some reason
[10:45] <ik> its no posible to install nmap?
[10:45] <k31th> j2dope: you did an update
[10:45] <k31th> you running hoary ?
[10:45] <ik> nop
[10:45] <j2dope> warty
[10:45] <lifeless> can ubuntu resize hfs+ partitions ?
[10:46] <ik> sudo apt-get update?
[10:46] <j2dope> im rather new to ubuntu. where can i get all the latest repositories? i've added a few for dvd purposes
[10:46] <Crasp> lifeless: the question is more.. can parted do that :)
[10:46] <k31th> j2dope: ahh im in hoary try adding hoary rep just for this app
[10:46] <cbruggeman> and Crasp have you try to fix it with webmin ?
[10:46] <k31th> ermm j2dope ill paste u them hang on
[10:46] <Crasp> cbruggeman: webmin? no thanks, i do not use such software :)
[10:47] <j2dope> thanks k31th
[10:47] <cbruggeman> k :)
[10:47] <Burgundavia> j2dope, the latest repos are what you have already
[10:47] <Crasp> cbruggeman: apache2 just tells me that php is not compiled threadsafe, whether apache2-mpm-prefork is
[10:47] <j2dope> ah K.
[10:47] <Burgundavia> j2dope, if you want dvd playback, etc, you need the hoary-extras stuff
[10:48] <Burgundavia> j2dope, see ubuntuguide.org
[10:48] <ik> E: Couldn't find package nmap
[10:48] <Burgundavia> j2dope, otherwise, pretty much everything else free should be in the Ubuntu repos
[10:48] <j2dope> Burgundavia: yeh i added some other respository and got libdvdcss2 or something.
[10:48] <j2dope> it's wierd. gnome-bluetooth just does not appear in mine :|
[10:49] <Burgundavia> j2dope, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:49] <sir-gold> ik nmap is in there
[10:49] <ik> ok ok
[10:49] <sir-gold> synaptic has a search button
[10:50] <sir-gold> and if you click in the packages list and start typing it does a quick-search
[10:50] <ik> oh thanks :) ok
[10:50] <j2dope> read the restricted format text a lot of times. no mention of bluetooth ?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> j2dope, it tells you about universe/multiverse repos
[10:51] <j2dope> my apologies
[10:51] <Burgundavia> j2dope, np, I was obtuse
[10:52] <ik> sir-gold i do shearch but its nothing there
[10:52] <j2dope> Burgundavia: well it's better than being ignored when asking a n00b question, so i appreciate it
[10:53] <Burgundavia> j2dope, there are no dumb questions
[10:53] <sir-gold> ik that is really odd, it should be there
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ik, can you /query me your sources.list?
[10:53] <sir-gold> click the reload button at the top
[10:53] <ik> ok
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ik, did you follow ubuntuguide.org ?
[10:54] <sir-gold> nmap is in the main repo, he shouldn't need universe for that
[10:54] <Burgundavia> sir-gold, there is an annoying bug with ubuntuguide.org
[10:54] <Burgundavia> that sometimes makes people remove there main repo
[10:54] <Burgundavia> s/there/their
[10:54] <sir-gold> oh
[10:54] <Burgundavia> if you are not careful
[10:55] <ik> i just install it from the cd
[10:55] <sir-gold> ik go to settings>repositories
[10:55] <ik> ok
[10:55] <sir-gold> how many of them are checked?
[10:57] <ik> sir-gold is on configuration editor?
[10:58] <sir-gold> configuration editor?
[10:58] <Burgundavia> ik, in system-->admin-->synaptic
[10:58] <ik> ok
[10:59] <ik> only one
[10:59] <ik> dev dc room
[10:59] <sir-gold> check the first 5
[10:59] <ik> ok :)
[10:59] <sir-gold> then hit reload
[11:00] <ik> ok
[11:00] <sir-gold> when its done, search for nmap
[11:01] <ik> oh ok :)
[11:01] <karim> ubuntu live cd is not better than knoppix
[11:01] <karim> I guess it's only to have a preview
[11:01] <sir-gold> the repository window tells synaptic/apt-get where to search and download from
[11:01] <karim> of ubuntu, rather than having something really functional
[11:01] <karim> ?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> karim, they are working to extend it
[11:02] <ik> No manual entry for nmap
[11:03] <dolny> hi ive got a stupid question, how to download
[11:03] <dolny> appropriate kernel source for my kernel?
[11:04] <eyequeue> dolny:  using what? wget?
[11:04] <ik> sir-gold its there but i doesnt work
[11:04] <dolny> yeah, can be wget
[11:04] <dolny> or apt-get
[11:04] <topyli> do cat /proc/version to find out what youre running
[11:04] <dolny> i have to recompile the kernel
[11:05] <dolny> maybe that way fglrx ati card 3d acc will work
[11:05] <eyequeue> dolny:  oh, "my kernel" being a ubuntu package?  apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10-whateverhere
[11:05] <topyli> yes
[11:05] <dolny> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Tue Apr 5 12:27:02 UTC 2005
[11:05] <dolny> well eye: the thing is I want to follow this:
[11:05] <eyequeue> dolny:  uname -r to see the full name of it
[11:06] <dolny> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5356
[11:06] <dolny> youll know by this link, check it out
[11:06] <eyequeue> dolny:  apt-get install linux-source-5-686
[11:07] <dolny> hm
[11:07] <dolny> brb
[11:07] <ik> sir-gold now its there :) thankyou
[11:07] <karim> Burgundavia: cool :)
[11:08] <dolny> another stupid question
[11:08] <dolny> i want to kill a process
[11:08] <dolny> with a certain PID
[11:08] <dolny> its apt-get downloading something, i close the console and it continues downloading
[11:08] <nubious> how do you list your PID files?
[11:08] <nubious> err
[11:08] <nubious> pid processes?
[11:08] <nubious> (in shell)
[11:08] <dolny> kde system guard
[11:08] <eyequeue> dolny:  i'm uncertain if the current package in the -restricted repo is the same as the latest from ati ( like with nvidia )
[11:08] <dolny> not in shell
[11:08] <nubious> but how do you do it in shell?
[11:08] <eyequeue> nubious:  ps
[11:08] <nubious> cool
[11:08] <nubious> thx
[11:09] <ik> its posible to change keybord layout?
[11:09] <nubious> o0o0o
[11:09] <nubious> nice
[11:09] <karim> 6
[11:09] <eyequeue> dolny:  kill 12345 (your pid)
[11:09] <dolny> thanks ;)
[11:09] <dolny> eyequeue dolny:  i'm uncertain if the current package in the -restricted repo is the same as the latest from ati ( like with nvidia )
[11:09] <MAGNUM3> ubuntu is the most slow in linux
[11:09] <eyequeue> dolny:  not a stupid question btw (unless you ask it all week, heh)
[11:09] <dolny> well
[11:10] <dolny> ive been trying to install 3d acc for my radeon 9600 for 3 days now
[11:10] <eyequeue> the only way to learn new things is to ask :)
[11:10] <dolny> followed like 4 tutorials
[11:10] <dolny> now ill try to recompile the kernel
[11:10] <MAGNUM3> why everybody like ubuntu
[11:10] <dolny> well it works very fast for me
[11:10] <dolny> i checked mandrake, FC3 before
[11:10] <MAGNUM3> i think gentoo more well than ubuntu
[11:11] <dolny> well i havent tried gentoo, ubuntu is best for newbies i think
[11:11] <linuxboy> MAGNUM3: look at http://funroll-loops.org/
[11:11] <johnnybezak> hey guys just bought an iPod, its loaded up under hoary no worries, only problem is that i dont have write permissions on anything, chown and chmod don't seem to be working. I suppose it's mounting it read only, because it's auto-mounting i don't know how to change that, any help would be good thanks guys
[11:11] <eyequeue> the beauty of linux: you can choose what you personally prefer
[11:11] <MAGNUM3> ha
[11:11] <dolny> eye: yeah ;>
[11:11] <MAGNUM3> all is fuuny people
[11:12] <dolny> dolny@milkshake:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-source-5-686
[11:12] <dolny> Reading package lists... Done
[11:12] <dolny> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:12] <dolny> E: Couldn't find package linux-source-5-686
[11:12] <dolny> ah... ;/
[11:12] <ik> '
[11:12] <Burgundavia> MAGNUM3, #ubuntu is about ubuntu, please stay on topic or leave
[11:12] <MAGNUM3> ubuntu is a rubbish
[11:13] <MAGNUM3> he
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> MAGNUM3: do be quiet
[11:13] <dolny> heh
[11:13] <eyequeue> dolny:  sorry, sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[11:13] <MAGNUM3> u shut up
[11:13] <dolny> so idiots also use linux
[11:13] <MAGNUM3> kepochi
[11:13] <dolny> whats the use of coming here
[11:13] <fabbione> MAGNUM3: please behave
[11:13] <dolny> bitching about ubuntu
[11:13] <dolny> if you dont like it
[11:13] <dolny> use another linux
[11:13] <dolny> period.
[11:13] <johnnybezak> don't bite he's just trolling
[11:13] <eyequeue> dolny:  to troll, apparently :(  (please don't feed...)
[11:14] <dolny> :)
[11:14] <johnnybezak> help me with my iPod instead ;)
[11:14] <ik> how can i put a firefox icon on desktop is is posible?
[11:14] <dolny> eye: thank you, downloading the source now
[11:14] <Boohbah> dolny: some people crave attention that is lacking in their lives
[11:14] <dolny> i think youre right
[11:14] <MAGNUM3> peoples use ubuntu linux,all is an idiot
[11:14] <nebo> ik, right click and create launcher
[11:14] <eyequeue> ik:  i would right-click on the desktop, then create a launcher
[11:14] <dolny> :D
[11:14] <dolny> what an idiot :)
[11:14] <ik> ok
[11:14] <rj_> :)
[11:14] <ik> =) thanks
[11:15] <Boohbah> rj_: <blink>
[11:15] <rj_> got tired of not knowing when someone replied to a msg in gaim when it was minmized
[11:15] <nebo> ik, easier is to dragg'ndrop it from the menu
[11:15] <dolny> you guys anybody using kubuntu here? (i know about #kubuntu)
[11:15] <dolny> because i have problems with my jabber client: Psi - it doesnt show up on my taskbar
[11:15] <rj_> brb - testing patch!
[11:16] <dolny> well i think that my taskbar doesnt work at all after upgrading kde-xxx
[11:16] <dolny> nothing stays on my taskbar so when i close my communicator's window i can get back to the app
[11:16] <hor> Can somebody say me where the Xmodmap has to be?!
[11:16] <harsha> can some one tell me how to change the vaule of PATH variable
[11:17] <k31th> j2dope: did it work ?
[11:18] <unf> hello
[11:19] <Taliesin`> (harsha): from the command line, use $PATH = "what you want the paths to be"
[11:19] <ik> nebo ok thankyou =)
[11:19] <Taliesin`> easiest way to do it, if you just want to add a nextra path to $PATH is to do $PATH = "/new/path:$PATH"
[11:19] <ik> ubuntu rulez =)
[11:20] <nubious> dope
[11:20] <nubious> I got my TS server up again on Hoary
[11:20] <harsha> thanx Taliesin
[11:20] <eyequeue> harsha:  in bash: export PATH="${PATH}:/new/dir/here" if you want to append
[11:21] <eyequeue> Taliesin, harsha: no spaces before or after = btw
[11:21] <mischa> anyone know how to get libapache-mod-fastcgi for apache on ubuntu
[11:22] <mischa> can't find it anywhere
[11:22] <ekCo> hmm xmms isn't installing, it says it is but the packages are missing..
[11:22] <mischa> i know it is available under debian...
[11:22] <mischa> i need it for ruby on rails, you should all try that....it is sooo cool :)
[11:23] <Boohbah> mischa: then use the debian repo
[11:23] <thenuke> thenuke@Hero:~$ apt-cache search libapache-mod-fastcgi
[11:23] <thenuke> libapache-mod-fastcgi - FastCGI module for Apache
[11:23] <eyequeue> mischa:  i see many alternatives with 'apt-cache search fastcgi'
[11:23] <thenuke> avalaible from ubuntu repos
[11:23] <Boohbah> oops
[11:23] <eyequeue> mischa: perhaps you need to enable the universe repository?
[11:23] <engie> Is it possible to get my eject button on my cd drive to unmount/eject the cd?
[11:24] <mischa> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[11:24] <mischa> got it :)
[11:24] <mischa> but
[11:24] <eyequeue> engie:  not until; you 'umount' the filesystem on it
[11:24] <unf> there exists a hoary-backports repository (like there was on warty)?
[11:24] <mischa> eyequeue: nothing usable there...only for apache2
[11:24] <Boohbah> hoary-backports.... sounds... dirty...
[11:24] <engie> eyequeue: Is there any app to detect teh eject press on the drive and unmount it?
[11:24] <mischa> Boohbah: ill try that...
[11:24] <mischa> Boohbah:tanx
[11:24] <eyequeue> libapache-mod-fastcgi - FastCGI module for Apache
[11:24] <eyequeue> libapache2-mod-fastcgi - FastCGI module for Apache2
[11:25] <ekCo> anyone know how to get xmms installed?
[11:25] <mischa> eyequeue: please dump all your repos.... so i can see what i miss :)
[11:25] <eyequeue> engie:  to my knowledge, no, you have to use "umount" (not unmount btw)
[11:25] <thenuke> mischa: http://www.ubuntuguide.org check repos from there
[11:25] <ekCo> 64bit ubuntu i might add
[11:25] <unf> so, Boohbah, it doesn't exist?
[11:26] <Boohbah> i don't know
[11:26] <goofrider> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[11:26] <eyequeue> mischa:  my bad, sorry. Filename: pool/multiverse/liba/libapache-mod-fastcgi/libapache-mod-fastcgi_2.4.2-5_i386.deb
[11:26] <goofrider> there **is*** hary-backports
[11:26] <eyequeue> mischa:  you'll need multiverse, not just universe
[11:27] <eyequeue> harry-backports, harry potter translated to geek-speak :)
[11:27] <goofrider> the backport server is really busy though, so be patient if u get timeouts or 500 Error
[11:28] <Boohbah> harry-backports, sounds like goatse to me
[11:28] <mischa> thenuke: ok thanx that worked :)
[11:28] <mischa> eyequeue: got it.
[11:28] <eyequeue> Boohbah:  ahhhhh, *now* i get the joke from before
[11:28] <mischa> eyequeue: it works tanx
[11:28] <nevyn> goofrider: wouldn't that be there ARE hoary backports
[11:28] <eyequeue> mischa:  great
[11:28] <nevyn> being plural
[11:29] <nevyn> and for something specific there is a backport being singular.
[11:29] <ekCo> anyone know how to get xmms installed on ubuntu 64bit?
[11:29] <goofrider> "hoary-backports" repository
[11:29] <goofrider> singular
[11:29] <goofrider> there's only ONE repo
[11:29] <goofrider> :-P
[11:29] <nevyn> there is a hoary backports repository.
[11:29] <nevyn> but there are backports availible for hoary
[11:30] <Fator_Dee> hello \o
[11:30] <eyequeue> is there anything in hoary-updates yet btw?
[11:30] <Nermal> yah
[11:30] <goofrider> ubuntu-clendar
[11:30] <goofrider> calendar
[11:30] <goofrider> LMAO
[11:30] <eyequeue> ah
[11:31] <goofrider> there are a bunch of stuff in hoary-security though, namely apache2 and openoffice.org updates
[11:32] <eyequeue> april was the latest i could find, and it's may, at least here :)
[11:32] <drfanatic> hallo... spricht jemand deutsch?
[11:32] <eyequeue> drfanatic:   #ubuntu-de       42      Freundlicher deutscher ubuntuchannel | Hilfe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/ http://www.ubuntu-forum.de | http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2000465
[11:33] <eyequeue> drfanatic:  /join #ubuntu-de
[11:33] <eyequeue> (if i guessed correctly at the translation, i don't speak german)
[11:34] <drfanatic> thx!
[11:34] <eyequeue> de nada ;)
[11:34] <drfanatic> ;)
[11:35] <transgress> okay anyone in here using kde?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> transgress, you might try #kubuntu
[11:35] <goofrider>  /j #kde
[11:35] <transgress> Burgundavia: i did
[11:35] <Burgundavia> transgress, we are gnome users here
[11:35] <transgress> goofrider: i am in there...
[11:35] <transgress> Burgundavia: not all of us...
[11:36] <goofrider> well maybe u should just ask the question  :)
[11:36] <transgress> bleh...  guess i'll have to do this the overcomplicated way of reading stuff
[11:36] <Riddell> transgress: yes
[11:36] <transgress> i'm trying to get translucency working in kde, but it bitched about adding a line to my xorg.conf... that just doesn't let kdm start (but it doesn't complain either)
[11:36] <transgress> and i'm wondering if anyone has it working and what they did
[11:37] <nubious_> ok so irssi works again
[11:37] <nubious_> woo
[11:37] <nubious> yay
[11:37] <nubious> I love ubuntu
[11:37] <nubious> and it loves me.
[11:37] <transgress> no you don't
[11:37] <nubious> yes
[11:37] <transgress> you have it
[11:37] <nubious> yes I do
[11:37] <goofrider> I think there was a thread on ubuntuforums about adding transparency to Xorg
[11:37] <transgress> err hate
[11:37] <nubious> <3
[11:37] <transgress> bleh
[11:37] <nubious> I do have it
[11:37] <nubious> and I can learn to hate it
[11:37] <transgress> i guess ima have to hop back into X... i was trying to avoid that
[11:37] <nubious> that should balance the love I have for it
[11:37] <nubious> :D
[11:38] <nubious> meh
[11:38] <transgress> brb
[11:38] <eyequeue> transgress:  like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25019.html
[11:38] <nubious> so what would you guys recommend as a remote desktop utility to get into Gnome from my windows machine?
[11:38] <nubious> I've heard VNC works quite good...
[11:38] <Nermal> so use vnc
[11:38] <goofrider> just use plain old X11 if you're doing remote desktop over LAN
[11:38] <nubious> is there anything better?
[11:38] <eyequeue> nubious:  yes, and there should be a vnc app even for ms
[11:38] <Nermal> or ssh -X
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> nubious: freenx
[11:38] <nubious> ssh -x?
[11:39] <Nermal> -X
[11:39] <goofrider> VNC is slooooooooooooooooow (because it sends the screen as JPEG bitmaps)
[11:39] <Nermal> yeah.. forward x11 over ssh
[11:39] <nubious> hmm
[11:39] <Nermal> Jpeg bitmaps ?
[11:39] <nubious> and whats x11 exactly?
[11:39] <Nermal> the x window system
[11:39] <Nermal> the graphical subsystem on most linux distros
[11:39] <Nermal> what gnome runs on
[11:39] <nubious> goofrider: that shouldn't be a problem on my network tho.. it's just two machines behind a 100 mbit router
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> freenx is like ssh -X only better
[11:39] <nubious> right right ok..  but would that load gnome?
[11:39] <Nermal> no :|
[11:39] <nubious> or just the xwindows system?
[11:39] <nubious> hmm
[11:40] <nubious> see I'd like to use gnome.
[11:40] <goofrider> to use X on windows, use Xming or CygwinX or X/Deep32
[11:40] <Nermal> you would log into the the machine with ssh -X and any x app you run would appear on your screen
[11:40] <eyequeue> nubious:  without the -X, you'll likely only get commandline access (unless you tweaked configs)
[11:40] <Nermal> you could always run gnome-session when you log in
[11:40] <nubious> I dont run from the ubuntu machien tho
[11:40] <Nermal> but I'm thinking vnc maybe the best way
[11:40] <goofrider> or u can just use XDMCP and login via GDM
[11:40] <nubious> hmm
[11:40] <Nermal> aye.. that would work
[11:41] <nubious> vncis prolly the easiest
[11:41] <nubious> bah you guys are all talkin in acronyms
[11:41] <goofrider> VNC is easiest
[11:41] <mrw> Isn't there something like gvim for vim with guis?  just vim but adds mouse support, etc?  I thought there was but I'm not finding it ;(
[11:41] <eyequeue> Nermal:  vnc is probably what you want, and you can even tunnel it via ssh, if you like, heh (google for a HOWTO on that, if interested)
[11:41] <nubious> is it free?  (the linux vnc)
[11:42] <mrw> nubious, yea
[11:42] <ermanox> anyone know how to change the font in bash console (command line)
[11:42] <eyequeue> mrw:  sudo apt-get install vim-gnome
[11:42] <goofrider> X Window has a lot of different components. It's hard to explain to someone who's not ready or doesn't have the patient
[11:42] <mrw> eyequeue, I did but something must have gone wrong or something
[11:42] <nubious> well I've seen X in use before...
[11:42] <nubious> long time ago
[11:42] <nubious> I like the gnome ui tho
[11:42] <nubious> I jsut got my hoary installation working
[11:42] <nubious> so
[11:42] <nubious> I wanna play with it
[11:42] <goofrider> Nubious: You're looking @ X right now
[11:42] <nubious> uhhh
[11:42] <eyequeue> mrw: dpkg -l vim-gnome, see if it starts with "ii "
[11:43] <nubious> no I'm not
[11:43] <goofrider> X uns locally as well as remotelt
[11:43] <nubious> I'm looking at windows
[11:43] <nubious> Microsluff Windows xp
[11:43] <goofrider> nub: oh LOL
[11:43] <nubious> :D
[11:43] <nubious> I ssh in from my windows machine for all my configing
[11:43] <mrw> eyequeue, yeah starts with ii
[11:43] <nubious> thats why I wanna setup VNC
[11:43] <eyequeue> vim-gnome: /usr/bin/gvim
[11:43] <goofrider> I personally use remote X from my Windows box
[11:44] <nubious> hmm
[11:44] <nubious> you find that the best?
[11:44] <Nermal> ermanox, setfont ?
[11:44] <Nermal> setfont sc was fun
[11:44] <goofrider> atried VN (too slow) and FreeNX (it's basically X over SSH, don't see the point of it)
[11:44] <ermanox> oh
[11:44] <goofrider> ***tried VNC*** (too close)
[11:44] <k31th> yo
[11:45] <ermanox> and the setfont is in my .bashrc file?
[11:46] <mrw> ermanox, if you are messing with it in X, then I know you can just change your profile and mess around there.  Don't know what you do if you are changing it for the terminal outside of X, though
[11:47] <nubious> hmm
[11:47] <nubious> I went to grab VNC but it says it's got server packages for redhat
[11:47] <nubious> will that work on ubuntu?
[11:47] <Nermal> redhat being rpm based ...
[11:47] <nubious> right
[11:47] <ermanox> I got bord with X and an ruffing it on the command line for a change
[11:47] <eyequeue> ermanox:  i'd recommend trying the setfont manually before adding it to the .bashrc, in case it breaks readability or somehting
[11:47] <mrw> nubious, use synaptic or apt-get
[11:47] <nubious> ahh
[11:47] <nubious> ok
[11:47] <nubious> sec
[11:48] <Nermal> nubious, apt-get install vncserver ?
[11:48] <goofrider> nubious: VNC came installed with ubunutu
[11:48] <Nermal> vnc-common does
[11:48] <nubious> oh yeah?
[11:48] <nubious> came installed?
[11:48] <Nermal> not the server
[11:48] <nubious> ahh
[11:48] <nubious> server
[11:48] <nubious> one sec
[11:48] <eyequeue> nubious:  apt-cache search vnc | less
[11:48] <Nermal> nubious, you may find aptitude search vnc helpful
[11:48] <goofrider> Preference -> remote Deskto
[11:48] <Nermal> goofrider, thats the viewer no ?
[11:48] <goofrider> Preference -> remote Desktop
[11:48] <Fator_Dee> it's installed but not enabled by default
[11:48] <goofrider> that's the server
[11:49] <Nermal> hmm
[11:49] <nubious> vino
[11:49] <goofrider> that's where u enable it
[11:49] <nubious> here we go
[11:49] <nubious> vnc server for gnome
[11:49] <nubious> sweet
[11:49] <Nermal> server isn't installed by default here
[11:49] <goofrider> oh
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> :-o
[11:49] <goofrider> It's installed on mine
[11:49] <nubious> hah
[11:49] <Fator_Dee> mine too
[11:49] <nubious> apparently it's isntalled
[11:49] <nubious> weee
[11:49] <nubious> lemme hop over to the 2 color tube monitor and attempt to set it up
[11:50] <lampshade> 502 peeps in here?  wow I remember when it had like 20
[11:50] <hor> Anybody here who uses the new program initng?
[11:51] <Fator_Dee> we are multiplying rapidly, soon we'll conquer the whole planet
[11:51] <lampshade> 273 more people and we take #debian!!!
[11:51] <nub_brb> hmm
[11:51] <nub_brb> where'd you guys find it?
[11:51] <nub_brb> (vino)
[11:51] <eyequeue> curious, is there a disadvantage of vnc4server compared to vncserver?  backward compatibility absent?
[11:51] <goofrider> find what?
[11:52] <nub_brb> find the config to setup the vnc server
[11:52] <Burgundavia> hor, somebody posted some boot time stuff to the list
[11:52] <goofrider> I'd choose tightvinc
[11:52] <Burgundavia> hor, -devel list
[11:52] <goofrider> I'd choose tightvnc
[11:52] <goofrider> /etc/vnc.conf maybe???
[11:53] <hor> Burgundavia: ok, thank you, i'll watch for it :)
[11:53] <Raptoid> i'm lost root password ubuntu
[11:53] <eyequeue> btw, i don't have any vnc server installed on a fresh hoary install (after the box came back from the factory)
[11:53] <Burgundavia> hor, check the archives
[11:53] <Raptoid> what do u want
[11:53] <eyequeue> Raptoid:  no, ubuntu doens't enable a root
[11:53] <Burgundavia> hor, this was not something that is probably going to be in breezy
[11:53] <Burgundavia> hor, too new
[11:53] <k31th> woahyou know your a g33k when  =
[11:54] <k31th> Irssi uptime: 63d 22h 29m 14s
[11:54] <sir-gold> only 2 months?
[11:54] <eyequeue> Raptoid:  see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:54] <nub_brb> oh my god
[11:54] <nub_brb> there's no way it was THAT easy
[11:55] <nub_brb> one sec
[11:55] <Raptoid> eyequeue, ok thnks..
[11:55] <eyequeue> Raptoid:  np
[11:55] <lampshade> k31th, NICE
[11:55] <jacobe> hey guys, how do i update the gcc to 3.x in ubuntu?
[11:55] <k31th> lampshade: thanks :D
[11:55] <jacobe> im used to fedora/new to linux
[11:55] <sir-gold> jacobe, did you install hoary?
[11:55] <k31th> lampshade: this box is in the telhouse :D
[11:56] <jacobe> i dunno?
[11:56] <jacobe> no
[11:56] <Burgundavia> jacobe, 2 menus or 3?
[11:56] <eyequeue> jacobe:  for example, sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3
[11:56] <jacobe> i dunno im just trying to compile mplayer and it doesnt like my comiler
[11:56] <jacobe> ok cool that sounds right
[11:56] <Burgundavia> jacobe, you don't really need to compile mplayer
[11:57] <nubious> OH MY GOD
[11:57] <Burgundavia> there are repos available with working mplayers
[11:57] <goofrider> maybe u should just download mplayer from Universe or Marillat
[11:57] <eyequeue> jacobe:  be advised that will likely pull in some extra packages
[11:57] <nubious> I'm extremely impressed
[11:57] <lampshade> nubious, GO FOR IT  I did,  actually I switched to this after I tried some others
[11:57] <Burgundavia> jacobe, package repositories
[11:57] <nubious> I'm soooo impressed
[11:57] <jacobe> like rpms?
[11:58] <Burgundavia> jacobe, sort of
[11:58] <lampshade> jacobe, kind of
[11:58] <ubuntu> hi all
[11:58] <goofrider> Debian/Ubuntu has it's own way of dealing with packages, it's probably not advicable for a newcomer to compile from source, u might stomp over the system
[11:58] <Burgundavia> like freshrpms
[11:58] <Burgundavia> but integrated
[11:58] <ubuntu> I am in the livecd now
[11:58] <ubuntu> how can I become root
[11:58] <p88> ?
[11:58] <nubious> check this out --> http://usera.imagecave.com/nubious/rightnow.JPG
[11:58] <eyequeue> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:58] <goofrider> jacab: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:58] <jacobe> thanks a lot guys
[11:58] <Kamping_in_doze> p88 sudo -s
[11:58] <p88> ah right
[11:58] <p88> :)
[11:58] <p88> didn't think of that
[11:58] <nubious> I love it
[11:58] <nubious> I really really love it
[11:59] <p88> thanks
[11:59] <Kamping_in_doze> lol. nubious. at jpg ;)
[11:59] <nubious> :D
[11:59] <nubious> dual monitors pwn
[12:00] <nubious> anyone here play with teamspeak ever?
[12:00] <goofrider> what is it?
[12:00] <nubious> www.goteamspeak.com
[12:00] <willis> anyone running breezy, and installed beagle or linux-image-2.6.12 from repositories?
[12:00] <nubious> cheggitout
[12:01] <sir-gold> nubious you should check out ultramon
[12:01] <nubious> ultramon?
[12:01] <nubious> in ubuntu?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> willis, i suspect that beagle needs some deps before it hits the repos
[12:01] <sir-gold> it adds a bunch of multi-monitor stuff
[12:01] <sir-gold> no, its for windows
[12:01] <goofrider> I thought Beagle needs a kernel patch
[12:01] <willis> Burgundavia, i saw it on the beagle upstream, but i can only find it in the breezy_universe_sources list
[12:01] <sir-gold> like seperate wallpaper and screensavers for each monitor
[12:01] <nubious> ahh
[12:01] <nubious> what kinda neat stuff?
[12:01] <sir-gold> a monitor specific task bar
[12:01] <willis> goofrider, well linux-image-2.6.12 was added to
[12:02] <nubious> hrm
[12:02] <nubious> thats kinda cool
[12:02] <Burgundavia> willis, it has built, but not in the repos, I don't know why
[12:02] <nubious> I can do seperate wallpaper nstuff with my nvidia drivers
[12:02] <sir-gold> the ability to move a maximized app to the other screen
[12:02] <nubious> yeah
[12:02] <willis> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004331.html
[12:02] <nubious> I can do all that with the nforce drivers
[12:02] <nubious> they're kinda bleh tho
[12:02] <willis> hmm, yeah i was confused, because i thought it would take a few hours for it to build and then be added as a binary package
[12:02] <nubious> can VNC pipe sound thru the network too?
[12:03] <goofrider> what's the point of Teamspeak? Skype is free (as in beer)
[12:03] <goofrider> and they have a DEB package
[12:03] <Burgundavia> willis, it has built correctly
[12:03] <nubious> teamspeak is free as well
[12:03] <sir-gold> nubious i don't think so
[12:03] <Burgundavia> willis, it just isn't there yet
[12:03] <Burgundavia> willis, I would wait, the mono stuff is being built right now
[12:03] <nubious> the reason it's better than skype is you can have multiple rooms and stuff - so like..  rather than you call someone, you join a chat channel and you speak with everyone in that channel
[12:03] <nubious> skype is great for phone calls
[12:03] <sir-gold> terminal services can send sound, but that doesn't really apply here
[12:03] <nubious> teamspeak is just better for gaming
[12:04] <nubious> so does VNC pipe this via a term session?
[12:04] <nubious> I would guess I suppose
[12:04] <willis> Burgundavia, ah ok, for some reason, lot's of the things i noticed coming in on the breezy-changes list, aren't  reflected in aptitude, ( i'm just a sucker for the new stuff )
[12:04] <Burgundavia> willis, that means the source has been accepted
[12:04] <sir-gold> vnc just copies the video, and allows mouse and keyboard actions to be sent
[12:04] <Burgundavia> willis, it may not even build
[12:05] <Burgundavia> willis, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[12:05] <sir-gold> it doesn't do anthing with terminal sessions
[12:05] <goofrider> but u can continue to login via SSH in a separate window on your Windows desktop
[12:06] <willis> Burgundavia, ok hmm, thanks
[12:06] <Burgundavia> willis, there are a lot of major changes happening right now
[12:06] <willis> Burgundavia, yeah so a lot of things are getting built but a lot are failing as well
[12:06] <Burgundavia> willis, expect breakage and don't bug the dev team about packages not showing up
[12:06] <Burgundavia> willis, the date by which you should start asking is around late Sept.
[12:07] <clausme> hello
[12:07] <clausme> does anyone know
[12:07] <willis> Burgundavia, i guess before when i was watching hoary-changes, most of the builds were succesful, so the packages would end up as binaries in an hour or so, but because of the volitale nature of breezy many of these builds won't go through right away
[12:07] <goofrider> LOL @ Bur
[12:07] <clausme> how to make the sount 5.1 in ubuntu
[12:07] <Burgundavia> willis, change over to gcc 4.0 is a big one
[12:07] <Burgundavia> willis, and the general sync to sid
[12:07] <willis> Burgundavia, yeah i know
[12:07] <Burgundavia> clausme, what do you mean?
[12:07] <sir-gold> from what i have read, gcc 4 is slower
[12:08] <Burgundavia> slower now, but faster in the end
[12:08] <goofrider> Burg: the switch to Xorg was a big one too
[12:08] <eyequeue> sir-gold:  slower to build things, or the resultant binaries run slower?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> that was hoary
[12:08] <sir-gold> both
[12:08] <Burgundavia> gcc is bigger
[12:08] <goofrider> **was**
[12:08] <goofrider> true... GCC affects just about everything
[12:09] <freewoody> How do I install Qmail in Ubuntu
[12:09] <Burgundavia> and debian is not using 4.0
[12:09] <sir-gold> the same app, compiled in gcc 4 took longer to compile and ran slower than in gcc 3
[12:09] <Burgundavia> python 2.4 was also big
[12:09] <willis> Burgundavia, i just found beagle in the build log, built succesfuly
[12:09] <nubious> I JUST bought a book on C++ compiling
[12:09] <goofrider> it's way too early to install breezy if u'r not a developer.
[12:09] <nubious> err
[12:09] <nubious> about C++ in general
[12:09] <Burgundavia> willis, but it isn't there, I have no idea why
[12:09] <nubious> a beginners guide..  I used to code VB n stuff back in highschool, but I wanna get back into
[12:09] <willis> Burgundavia, ok, well thanks anyway
[12:10] <nubious> here's my question though: if I compile something on linux, can I move it to my win machien via winscp and run it if it was designed for windows?
[12:10] <goofrider> Nubios: Start with Python and Mono
[12:10] <nubious> like - do all my coding on my nix machine and do my testing on windows?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> nubious, if you are looking to learn a language, I would go high-level, c# or python
[12:10] <Burgundavia> nubious, not relaly
[12:10] <nevyn> nubious: no.
[12:10] <nubious> hmmm
[12:10] <sir-gold> nubious, you have to compile it under windows
[12:10] <nevyn> python you can sortof tho.
[12:10] <sir-gold> there is a gcc for windows
[12:10] <nubious> that makes cents
[12:10] <nubious> sense?
[12:10] <nubious> sense.
[12:10] <nubious> well I might just drop dollars on visual C
[12:10] <nubious> erm
[12:10] <nubious> yeah
[12:10] <goofrider> If u use C# + GTK#, it might work
[12:11] <nubious> why C#?
[12:11] <nubious> whats better about it?
[12:11] <sir-gold> ms visual c can't compile linux apps
[12:11] <Burgundavia> or python and pygtk
[12:11] <goofrider> there's a GTK# compile for Windows
[12:11] <nubious> why all the sharp stuff now?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> that is also cross plaform
[12:11] <nubious> what was wrong with C++? :)
[12:11] <nubious> I hear c# is slower
[12:11] <Burgundavia> nubious, c# is almost java
[12:11] <nubious> hmm
[12:11] <nubious> see I dont know Java
[12:11] <goofrider> C++ is unmanaged
[12:11] <nubious> I'd like to just get into general coding tho
[12:11] <kernelvn> I install in expert mode
[12:11] <Burgundavia> the higher level language you write, the easy it is
[12:12] <nubious> right
[12:12] <goofrider> C# is like Java, statically typed, garage collected
[12:12] <nubious> I dont want easy
[12:12] <kernelvn> and the user I add did not has the sudo
[12:12] <nubious> I want proper coding
[12:12] <nubious> like
[12:12] <nubious> ground up
[12:12] <nubious> memory management and everything
[12:12] <nubious> none of this 3rd party program showing me how to code bollox
[12:12] <goofrider> Assmbly?
[12:12] <nubious> hahaha
[12:12] <nubious> that's too low level
[12:12] <kernelvn> how to make it sudo able ?
[12:12] <nubious> I've tried
[12:12] <nubious> it's a headache
[12:12] <Burgundavia> nubious, honestly, life is too short to code in c or c++
[12:12] <goofrider> no kidding
[12:12] <nubious> hmmm
[12:12] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, add your user to the admin group
[12:12] <nubious> Burgundavia: you make a good point...
[12:13] <nubious> so c# hey?
[12:13] <nubious> hmmm
[12:13] <kernelvn> how ? burgundavia ?
[12:13] <Burgundavia> python makes it far easier to get started
[12:13] <kernelvn> as ID = 1 ?
[12:13] <nubious> python can be obtained where?
[12:13] <Boohbah> Burgundavia: yeah, C really sucks, like linux and GNU ane all that
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, did you set a root password?
[12:13] <goofrider> It's very common to rewrite modules in C/C++ if u needed the native interface or speed
[12:13] <Burgundavia> Boohbah, all have there place
[12:13] <kernelvn> yes
[12:13] <kernelvn> I have to use the nomal teminal and then su root
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, login as root, add your user to the sudo and then disable the root account
[12:13] <goofrider> but most ppl avoid C/C++ when they can nowadays
[12:13] <Burgundavia> kernelvn, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[12:13] <cyphase> nubious, python is preinstalled in Ubuntu
[12:14] <kernelvn> how to add user o the sudo ?
[12:14] <nubious> see that's the problem with coding noadays
[12:14] <nubious> have you guy ever played ANY EA game?
[12:14] <kernelvn> thank :)
[12:14] <nubious> anything like NHLPA or NBA2k3 or whatever?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> EA is generally crap
[12:14] <nubious> coding has gotten SO sloppy these days
[12:14] <goofrider> well game programming is a whole different ballpacrk
[12:14] <nubious> Burgundavia: thats my point - they use higher level languages because they dont have the skill
[12:14] <nubious> well thats the thing
[12:14] <kernelvn> so how to gain IP address with DHCP with ifconfig ?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> actually C and C++ are much more likely to have security issues
[12:14] <sir-gold> nubious: no, but i have seen a nfk 2kX addict, its not a pretty sight
[12:14] <Burgundavia> nubious, and what you just said is flat out wrong
[12:15] <nubious> Burgundavia: which?
[12:15] <sir-gold> nfl
[12:15] <nubious> about skill?
[12:15] <redbull> ?
[12:15] <Burgundavia> nubious, yes
[12:15] <nubious> pardon..  that WAS an arrogant statement
[12:15] <nubious> BUT
[12:15] <kernelvn> I use ifconfig and when I reboot , the IP is gone
[12:15] <Burgundavia> nubious, skill has nothing to do with the language you write
[12:15] <nubious> I see a lot of programs these days that run like crap
[12:15] <cyphase> game programming pushes the limits of programming
[12:15] <kernelvn> how to keep it last ?
[12:15] <nubious> I mean
[12:15] <goofrider> That's because they're crappy programmers
[12:15] <nubious> I've seen a doom replica in 64 kilbytes
[12:15] <redbull> could anyone tell me how do I intstall a dc++ program on ubuntu linux?
[12:16] <goofrider> maybe they write crappy code,m, or maybe they pick the wrong tool
[12:16] <nubious> doom itself was what?  3 disks?
[12:16] <goofrider> Footprint !+ good code
[12:16] <nubious> so thats at LEAST 4 megs(ish)
[12:16] <goofrider> !=
[12:16] <kernelvn> any help ?
[12:16] <nubious> so I mean
[12:16] <nubious> if you can replicate that
[12:16] <Burgundavia> nubious, you are confusing too issues here
[12:16] <dolny> please help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=166030#post166030
[12:16] <nubious> well
[12:16] <dolny> i described the problem there
[12:16] <nubious> I'm confused
[12:16] <nubious> myself
[12:16] <nubious> so
[12:16] <Burgundavia> nubious, crappy code is due to people being paid too little for work they hate
[12:16] <dolny> dont flood nubious :)
[12:16] <mpq> is there a better image viewer for gnome?
[12:17] <dolny> Burgundavia please check: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=166030#post166030
[12:17] <dolny> thanks ;)
[12:17] <goofrider> mpq: F-Spotmayver?
[12:17] <mpq> eye of gnome isn't very good
[12:17] <goofrider> F-spot maybe??
[12:17] <mpq> goofrider: never heard of it
[12:17] <goofrider> apt-get it and try it  :)
[12:18] <Burgundavia> dolny, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:18] <Burgundavia> dolny, everything you need is there
[12:18] <dolny> no
[12:18] <nubious> how can I see what apt-get packages are available thru my shell?
[12:18] <dolny> because i want to delete that file
[12:18] <dolny> and diverse thing
[12:18] <dolny> and i cant because of diverse
[12:18] <rj_> How do i delete the gnome keyring? or atleast manager it?
[12:19] <Burgundavia> dolny, I have never seen that error
[12:19] <rj_> Whenever i boot up i hafta enter my password twice to unlock to keyring so nautilus can access my desktop
[12:19] <goofrider> apt-cache --help
[12:19] <Burgundavia> nubious, aptitude
[12:19] <nubious> k
[12:20] <rj_> hrm /me installs gnome-keyring-manager
[12:20] <nubious> ahh here's a question
[12:20] <nubious> I installed tcsh from aptitude
[12:20] <nubious> and I ran it, but my ls command doesn't display color unless I use the --color=always switch
[12:20] <nubious> is there a way I can set it up to ALWAYS do it?
[12:20] <nubious> I assumed by using --color=always it would like flip the on switch on or something
[12:20] <nubious> apparently my assumptions were just that - assumptions
[12:21] <k31th> yo
[12:21] <k31th> im having an issue
[12:21] <nubious> we're ALL having issues keith...
[12:21] <nubious> :)
[12:21] <snader> :P
[12:21] <k31th> I have system sounds
[12:21] <nubious> whats up?
[12:21] <Burgundavia> nubious, it must have a .conf switch
[12:21] <Burgundavia> s/switch/file
[12:21] <clausme> hello
[12:21] <goofrider> nub: check your .bashrc, .bashprofile, and all the other suspicious locations
[12:22] <clausme> where do i find ncurses library
[12:22] <k31th> but when i load mplayer (i compiled from source) says has probs opening /dev/dsp
[12:22] <nubious> I'll check it out
[12:22] <goofrider> just put ls --color in a non-BASH specific profile file
[12:22] <Burgundavia> k31th, change to use the esd backend
[12:22] <k31th> ?
[12:22] <Burgundavia> k31th, and why did you compile from source?
[12:22] <k31th> Burgundavia: how i do that
[12:22] <Burgundavia> k31th, there is a working copy of mplayer in the multiverse repo
[12:22] <k31th> Burgundavia: it was not in apt-get
[12:23] <Burgundavia> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:23] <nubious> goofrider: if I knew how to do that, I would..  thing is.. I've only been really using linux like a week
[12:23] <goofrider> #man bsh
[12:23] <clausme> ncurses library how do i find it and install it
[12:23] <clausme> ?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> see the bit about multiverse
[12:23] <goofrider> #man bash
[12:23] <k31th> Burgundavia:
[12:23] <goofrider> and scroll to the bottom, there's a list of conf and profile locations
[12:23] <k31th> ill remove the compiled version then
[12:23] <Raptoid> no root why ?
[12:23] <clausme> ncurses library how do i find it and install it
[12:23] <clausme> ?
[12:23] <Burgundavia> Raptoid, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo for reasons
[12:23] <Raptoid> ok
[12:24] <clausme> hello
[12:24] <clausme> answer pls
[12:24] <clausme> ncurses library how do i find it and install it
[12:24] <clausme> answer pls
[12:24] <clausme> ?
[12:24] <goofrider> Ncures is intsalled by default
[12:24] <Hans_de_Zwart> I have just installed ubuntu for the first time and looks really good!
[12:24] <nubious> so by default, the shell I'm using (/bin/sh) is BASH, right?
[12:24] <nubious> Hans_de_Zwart: Warty or Hoary?
[12:24] <goofrider> Nub: /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash
[12:24] <nubious> ahh ok
[12:24] <clausme> [*]  Creating Menu, please wait.
[12:24] <clausme> This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead.
[12:24] <clausme> is not
[12:24] <clausme> look
[12:25] <k31th> Burgundavia: how do i remove it if i compiled from source ?
[12:25] <k31th> i did a make clean in its dir
[12:25] <k31th> but its still there...
[12:25] <Burgundavia> k31th, no idea, I never compile from source outside of my pbuilder
[12:25] <Hans_de_Zwart> nubious: hoary
[12:26] <nubious> Hans_de_Zwart: nice.. I just got mine running today as well
[12:26] <eyequeue> clausme:  if you are trying to compile against curses, sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[12:26] <nubious> j00 l1ke whuchu see?
[12:26] <clausme> k
[12:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> I cannot get the network working. I have three network devices: the modem, etho: wireless and eth1 realtek network card.
[12:26] <jono_> I want to create an icon on my desktop to run a root program, I tried: 'gksudo /opt/lampp/lampp start' and it won't pass the start argument to the program - is there a way around this?
[12:26] <Hans_de_Zwart> When I activate the last one, It gets deactivated after a little while
[12:27] <clausme> Package libncurses5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:27] <clausme> is only available from another source
[12:27] <clausme> E: Package libncurses5-dev has no installation candidate
[12:27] <clausme> eyequeue now what
[12:27] <goofrider> k31th: it's generally a bad idea to compile and install from source. U should consult the Debian Reference
[12:27] <clausme> is n ot workingf
[12:27] <Nermal> clausme, got universe etc in your sources.list ?
[12:27] <jono_> I want to create an icon on my desktop to run a root program, I tried: 'gksudo /opt/lampp/lampp start' and it won't pass the start argument to the program - is there a way around this?
[12:27] <clausme> yes
[12:27] <Upayavir1> A short while ago, I upgraded from Debian Sarge to Ubuntu Hoary. Using free, Debian reported me correctly as having 2Gb of RAM. Ubuntu reports 900Mb. What could be wrong, and where could I go to get my memory back!?
[12:27] <goofrider> the proper way to compile mplayer is download the source DEB, and compile and make your own DEB
[12:27] <jono_> oops sorry
[12:27] <jono_> for the repeat
[12:28] <k31th> goofrider: yeah :S
[12:28] <Nermal> Upayavir1, install linux-586
[12:28] <Nermal> to switch to a 586 kernel with himem support
[12:28] <Upayavir1> Nermal: that easy? :-)
[12:28] <Nermal> Upayavir1, yah :)
[12:28] <Nermal> oops
[12:28] <ekCo> how do i uninstall realplayer? installed to wrong path ><!
[12:28] <Nermal> I mean install linux-686
[12:28] <Nermal> I think
[12:28] <eyequeue> libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses
[12:28] <goofrider> ekco: how did u install it?
[12:29] <eyequeue> clausme:  ^^ it's in main, it should find it
[12:29] <k31th> guess ill locate every mplayer file and del it
[12:29] <Nermal> that should install linux kernel and modules
[12:29] <ekCo> goofrider, wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[12:29] <ekCo> chmod +x realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[12:29] <ekCo> sudo ./realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[12:30] <ekCo> also how do you install xmms on a 64bit ubuntu setup??
[12:30] <Nermal> there should be an uninstall script in the dir you installed it to
[12:30] <Zambba> Hello!
[12:30] <goofrider> well u can just delete the direcotry where  Realplayer was installed to
[12:30] <goofrider> I think it installed to /opt/real?????/ by default?
[12:30] <Nermal> lo Zambba
[12:30] <Zambba> Do I have chance to run Ubuntu on my P200, 32 Mt, 2 Gt hdd, Trident TriImage box?
[12:30] <Nermal> /opt/Real* it would seem
[12:31] <Nermal> Zambba, the installer won't like that little ram :|
[12:31] <Raptoid> what is windows partition link for ubuntu desktop ?
[12:31] <ekCo> nah it installed to games/realplayer ...
[12:31] <ekCo> really weird.. but anyways
[12:31] <Upayavir1> Nermal: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-5-686. Does that sound right? Running on a Centrino notebook.
[12:31] <Nermal> Raptoid, ?
[12:31] <goofrider> ekCO: there's a realplayer package on Ubuntu Backports, might be a better package cuz it may conform to Debian/Ubuntu's file system better
[12:31] <Nermal> Upayavir1, yes.. but just doing apt-get install linux-686 will get you the kernel and the modules / and the restricted modules
[12:31] <Raptoid> what windows partition linking ubuntu
[12:31] <Nermal> its like a wrapper package
[12:31] <Raptoid> sorry litle speak english
[12:31] <Upayavir1> Nermal: fab
[12:32] <Nermal> Upayavir1, you can then do apt-get uninstall linux-386 if you want
[12:32] <Nermal> remove even
[12:32] <Upayavir1> k
[12:32] <ekCo> hmm good where can i grab this?
[12:32] <Upayavir1> after rebooting :-)
[12:32] <Nermal> Raptoid, /windows/C ?
[12:32] <ekCo> how do you get xmms installed on a 64bit system aswell.. this is annoying as ><!
[12:32] <goofrider> also if u apt-get install linux-686, it'll upgrade to the latest version of kernel next time you do an upgrade
[12:32] <Nermal> Upayavir1, bah.. you wimp ;)
[12:32] <Nermal> goofrider, indeed :)
[12:33] <goofrider> linx-686 tracks the latest release of kernel + friends
[12:34] <goofrider> u know.... I can't type for shit
[12:34] <ekCo> when installing xmms i get this problem..
[12:34] <ekCo> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:34] <ekCo> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:34] <ekCo> is only available from another source
[12:34] <ekCo> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[12:34] <goofrider> ekco: do u have universe and multiverse enabled?
[12:34] <Zambba> How much does the Ubuntu installer need ram?
[12:34] <Nermal> about 64 mb
[12:35] <ekCo> universe yes.. but not multi...
[12:35] <Nermal> the installer seems to insist on formatting the swap space during install
[12:35] <Nermal> meaning it wipes out half the install process if you have to use swap during install
[12:35] <goofrider> well.... XMMS is in main anyways
[12:35] <Zambba> Can I use all Debian package mirrors with Ubuntu's apt ?
[12:35] <mvirkkil> Has anyone had odd harddrive stalling problems?
[12:35] <Nermal> Zambba, you can.. but they may break things
[12:35] <ekCo> rm -rf to delete things work in ubuntu?
[12:35] <Amaranth> Zambba: If you want to seriously break things, sure.
[12:35] <Nermal> ekCo, naturally :)
[12:35] <Amaranth> ekCo: Of course.
[12:36] <liable> Zambba: definetley not recommended
[12:36] <goofrider> Zambba: Techincally yes, but u shouldn't do that unless u know what u'r doing
[12:36] <Nermal> ekCo, tried beep-media-player ?
[12:36] <Zambba> How many package mirrors are usable with Ubuntu?
[12:36] <Nermal> ekCo, gtk2 port of xmms :)
[12:36] <mvirkkil> Like doing 'ls' is causing stuff like 'pio timeout' 'dma write failed' etc?
[12:36] <ekCo> nope
[12:36] <goofrider> Zambba: if u have to ask, dont
[12:36] <Nermal> it's nice..
[12:36] <ekCo> is it apt-get plausible?
[12:36] <Nermal> yah
[12:36] <Nermal> though I'm not sure for 64 bit
[12:37] <ekCo> dl;'ing
[12:37] <ekCo> soon will find out eh
[12:37] <ekCo> this is annoying me so much, i need to build a 32bit layer..
[12:37] <ekCo> but i heard its an arsewipe to do...
[12:37] <goofrider> Zambba; actually, it's OK as long as you're pulling from  unoffical repos for unstable
[12:37] <ekCo> apparantly gentoo has 32bit already built in or something?
[12:37] <goofrider> and don't include the offical DEbian depo
[12:38] <ekCo> hah Nermal, it works on 64bit :)
[12:38] <ekCo> naturally :D
[12:38] <Nermal> ekCo, :D
[12:38] <Nermal> mm.. this is a nice channel
[12:38] <Nermal> questions aren't too hard :)
[12:38] <ekCo> wheres the mouse config in x11?
[12:39] <goofrider> Xorg.conf?
[12:39] <goofrider> LMAO
[12:39] <jacobe> do you all thik there is there a better mp3 player for ubuntu than mplayer?
[12:39] <Nermal> erm.. well. it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :|
[12:39] <Nermal> ekCo, what do you want to change ?
[12:39] <Nermal> jacobe, sure... mplayer is more of a video player
[12:39] <jacobe> what do you recommend for music and video?
[12:39] <ekCo> mx510 settings to enable mouse 4, 5
[12:40] <goofrider> amarok is popular for KDE
[12:40] <Nermal> jacobe, winamp lookalikes are xmms and beep-media-player (gtk2) | itunes lookalikes include rhythmbox and muine
[12:40] <jacobe> im using gnome
[12:40] <Nermal> jacobe, gnome desktop also includes totem, which is quite nice
[12:40] <ekCo> not really
[12:40] <goofrider> Totem is the offically support media player in Ubuntu
[12:40] <Nermal> totem can also cook your cpu with visualisations
[12:40] <ekCo> totem in normal install doesn't allow .avi, let down ><!
[12:41] <jacobe> can toten work with m4as etc.
[12:41] <Nermal> ekCo, it does. install totem-xine
[12:41] <Nermal> and that will remove totem-gstreamer
[12:41] <jacobe> totam-xine?
[12:41] <Nermal> then totem will play things using the w32codecs
[12:41] <Amaranth> ekCo: avi is a container, gstreamer handles that
[12:41] <Amaranth> ekCo: It might not handle certain things people shove into that container though
[12:41] <nubious> ok here's a question
[12:41] <goofrider> I though Totem=gstreamer can use w32codecs as well
[12:41] <Nermal> yah.. totem-xine will play the same stuff mplayer will.. wmvs, divx, all that.. using w32codecs
[12:41] <ekCo> and apt-get is plausable with gstreamer..
[12:42] <Nermal> goofrider, I've not got it working :|
[12:42] <goofrider> I'm using Totem-Gstremer with w32codecs, no problem
[12:42] <ekCo> because i got frustrated while trying to watch some demos lol
[12:42] <Nermal> ekCo, apt-get install totem-xine :)
[12:42] <nubious> if I got the VNC server running and stuff within gnome, is there anyway I can have it run at like root level so it will share the LOGIN screen?
[12:42] <ekCo> btw wheres the mouse config?
[12:42] <Nermal> ekCo, we've said
[12:42] <Amaranth> gstreamer has pitfdll to use windows dlls
[12:42] <Nermal> erm.. well. it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf :|
[12:42] <goofrider> yeah it took me a while to figure out what I need (I'm a n00b myself)
[12:42] <Nermal> Amaranth, ah
[12:42] <Amaranth> btw, using w32codecs is _illegal_ unless you own a copy of windows that you're not using
[12:42] <ekCo> E: Broken packages
[12:42] <Amaranth> heck, it might even be then
[12:43] <ekCo> ah cheers
[12:43] <ekCo> same as my old gentoo ><!
[12:43] <Nermal> Amaranth, oh no!
[12:43] <Nermal> I need food :|
[12:43] <nubious> illegal?
[12:43] <nubious> who said using windows codecs is illegal?
[12:43] <Nermal> aye.. dlls innit
[12:43] <goofrider> amaranth: w32codecs is probably incompatible with GPL/LGPL
[12:44] <nubious> I have like 18 copies of window skicking around..  someone can use one of my copies if they want.
[12:44] <goofrider> so it'll be illegal to even use it on Linux, technically
[12:44] <ekCo> hmm Nermal, beep-media-player cracks the poop when trying to play a file..
[12:44] <ekCo> xmms would be much handier ><!
[12:44] <Nermal> erm.. doh ?
[12:44] <Amaranth> goofrider: Doesn't work like that.
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> is there an application (graphic) that you can make on ISO-file with?
[12:44] <dolny> anybody using ati on hoary hedgehog 5.04?
[12:44] <Fator_Dee> maybe gnomebaker/graveman?
[12:45] <Nermal> Fator_Dee, or xcdroast
[12:45] <Nermal> though thats not too intuative
[12:45] <dolny> anybody using ati on hoary hedgehog 5.04? theres have to be sopmeone ;/
[12:45] <goofrider> I heard th ATI linux driver is crap
[12:45] <ik> hi
[12:45] <dolny> yep
[12:45] <Nermal> the windows ati drivers are pretty shite too
[12:45] <ik> i have problems playing mpg files on totem
[12:45] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: Go to the CD/DVD Creator in nautilus, drag and drop the files you want on the CD, and choose to burn it
[12:45] <dolny> well
[12:45] <dolny> DOES ANYBODY USE ATI on UBUNTU ?;
[12:45] <dolny> :P
[12:46] <Nermal> ik apt-get install gstreamer0.8-all ?
[12:46] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: choose file image
[12:46] <dolny> i dont want to discuss whether they are ok or not;] 
[12:46] <ik> Nermal ok
[12:46] <goofrider> ik: did u install MPEG codecs? maybe the libavcodec package?
[12:46] <Nermal> ik, maybe ;)
[12:46] <Amaranth> dolny: Yes, but I use the open source driver.
[12:46] <ik> goofrider nop
[12:46] <dolny> amaranth
[12:46] <dolny> is it any good
[12:46] <dolny> i mean the speed
[12:46] <dolny> ?
[12:46] <ik> goofrider who so i install that?
[12:46] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: what if I don't use nautilus :-\ (XFCE)
[12:46] <ekCo> hmm how do i update my apt-get shite?
[12:46] <nubious> hey how do I go about making another gnome essiosn so I can have my VNC on my remote computer, but someone can still log in locally?  I know Warty had it easy done
[12:47] <Nermal> goofrider, what I don't get is why these aren't installed by default
[12:47] <goofrider> ik: I think most of the open source video codecs are in multiverse due to licensing/patent issues
[12:47] <Nermal> ekCo, apt-get update
[12:47] <Amaranth> Fator_Dee: gnomebaker? :)
[12:47] <Fator_Dee> but gnomebaker can do that? or graveman
[12:47] <k31th> Burgundavia: where was that mplayer package to ?
[12:47] <ik> ok
[12:47] <goofrider> u might need multiverse enabled, possibly marillat too
[12:47] <Fator_Dee> Amaranth: ok, thanks, I'll look (more deeply :-p) to those programs
[12:47] <Upayavir1> Nermal: free -m shows 2027 :-) Thank you very much!
[12:47] <Nermal> Upayavir1, :)
[12:48] <Amaranth> enabling marillat should be considered bad for your health
[12:48] <goofrider> k31th: u'r talking about where apt-get installed it to? or where YOU installed it to with make install when u compiled from source?
[12:48] <Nermal> Upayavir1, another uk bod.. I suspected as much when you said "fab" :)
[12:48] <k31th> no im talking which respository is it at
[12:48] <k31th> i just removed mplayer that i compiled by hand
[12:48] <Upayavir1> Nermal: do I make it that obvious? I'm in North London. U?
[12:48] <Nermal> k31th, mplayer is at several
[12:48] <k31th> k?
[12:49] <Nermal> Upayavir1, cardiff atm.. lived in guildford when I worked for suse
[12:49] <k31th> aahh Guildford
[12:49] <Nermal> k31th, tried ubuntuguide.org ? :)_
[12:49] <Amaranth> Hey, a former SuSE employee is using Ubuntu. That's got to say something.
[12:49] <cyphase> argh, i hate designing for IE
[12:49] <dolny> Amaranth: please check your query
[12:49] <goofrider> Amaranth: it only means he doesn't work there anymore
[12:49] <k31th> is that where Ford comes from on hitch hiker gide to the galaxy :p
[12:50] <ik> whats the comand to sun sympatic or that?
[12:50] <ik> symantic
[12:50] <k31th> Nermal: im from Wiltshire
[12:50] <k31th> Suse is a pain
[12:50] <goofrider> synaptic
[12:50] <ik> thanks =)
[12:51] <goofrider> K31th: why is that?
[12:51] <Nermal> Amaranth, I used gentoo before ubuntu, and suse before that
[12:51] <k31th> just didnt like it
[12:51] <k31th> rpm baed :pp
[12:51] <k31th> based
[12:51] <Nermal> suse weren't too happy when I plonked gentoo on our test opterons from AMD :)
[12:51] <k31th> Nermal: same here
[12:51] <goofrider> I've never tried anything but Debian-based distro, so I'm rather ignorant of other distros
[12:52] <Nermal> goofrider, rpm hell
[12:52] <k31th> ahh goofrider stay that way
[12:52] <goofrider> Gentoo is a constant moving target
[12:52] <k31th> i have to use RHE at work and it sux
[12:52] <Nermal> :/
[12:52] <goofrider> Yeah... I was tempted by the RPM devil cause I kinda **need*** JPackage
[12:52] <k31th> i HATE rpms and i HATE YUM
[12:52] <goofrider> Java support or the lack thereof)  in Debian/Ubuntu is embarassing
[12:52] <k31th> cant u use that alien program to convert it
[12:53] <lesshaste> does ubuntu do its own security patches or does it use debian made packages?
[12:53] <Nermal> k31th, you can.. but it's not guarenteed to work
[12:53] <goofrider> well I don't know... it might not follow our FHS still
[12:53] <k31th> Nermal:  i see
[12:53] <Nermal> lesshaste, it's own
[12:53] <goofrider> and it won't have auto dependancy resolution
[12:53] <k31th> is this correct
[12:53] <lesshaste> Nermal, thx
[12:53] <k31th> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiuniverse
[12:53] <Nermal> lesshaste, afaik
[12:53] <goofrider> less: Ubuntu maintain its own repo and patches
[12:53] <odyssey> why is there no updates for firefox when the latest version os 1.0.4?
[12:54] <goofrider> though it tracks Debian Sid for changes
[12:54] <Amaranth> goofrider: That's not Ubuntu's fault.
[12:54] <goofrider> Ody: because Hoary is **frozen**
[12:54] <goofrider> use http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/  there's Firefox 1.0.3 backport there
[12:54] <Nermal> gah.. my stomach is digesting itself
[12:55] <goofrider> Ama:....? Did I blame Ubuntu or Debian?
[12:55] <odyssey> goofrider, but the updates to firefox contain fixes to major security fixes surely these packages should be in hoary-security?
[12:55] <Nermal> odyssey, now that hoary is frozen (ie: released) you will only get security updates to packages .. not version updates
[12:55] <goofrider> I'm just stating the facts
[12:55] <Nermal> odyssey, I imagine they will patch 1.0.3
[12:55] <goofrider> Odyessey: Good point.
[12:56] <Nermal> so you will get firefox-1.0.3-unbuntu<newbuild>
[12:56] <odyssey> Nermal, the current version with no updates it 1.0.2
[12:56] <ekCo> hmm
[12:56] <Nermal> what ubuntu build ?
[12:56] <ekCo> i've added all repositories but still cant get xmms installed ><
[12:56] <ekCo> argh!
[12:56] <lesshaste> there is no version updating even unoffically?
[12:56] <lesshaste> that is bad bad bad
[12:57] <odyssey> Nermal, 5
[12:57] <Nermal> so that number will go up with security fixes
[12:57] <scorpix_> zcat /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/changelog.Debian.gz | head -n16
[12:57] <lesshaste> goofrider, is there no java for ubuntu did you say?
[12:57] <Nermal> lesshaste, well no.. it's the same as all release based distros
[12:57] <scorpix_> to see the last changes of firefox
[12:57] <Nermal> lesshaste, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:57] <liable> ekCo: apt-cache search xmms?
[12:57] <lesshaste> Nermal, no that isn't right. Fedora has loads of 3rd party repositories that have version updates... for example
[12:58] <goofrider> no I'm just saying the UNOFFICAL support in the RPM world is better than the UNOFFICIAL support in Ubuntu/Debian
[12:58] <Nermal> lesshaste, so has debian..
[12:58] <petemc> goofrider: you have empircal evidence?
[12:58] <liable> goofrider: yeah, but from unknown sources
[12:58] <Nermal> lesshaste, that doesn't mean they are supported or will work
[12:58] <ekCo> liable
[12:58] <ekCo> whole bunch of stuff came up..
[12:58] <goofrider> Jpackage is not an UNKOWN source
[12:58] <goofrider> http://jpackage.org/
[12:59] <lesshaste> Nermal, and ubuntu?
[12:59] <odyssey> scorpix_, thanks
[12:59] <liable> ekCo: install it :)
[12:59] <lesshaste> Nermal, what do you mean by supported or work?
[12:59] <ekCo> erm
[12:59] <ekCo> how? haha
[12:59] <goofrider> lesshaste: Unofficial RPMs are VERY POORLY packaged
[12:59] <lesshaste> Nermal, all software is supported by some people and not by others
[12:59] <goofrider> I would count on them if I were u
[12:59] <lesshaste> goofrider, that is really not true. Some are some aren't. You choose your packager according to your tastes.
[12:59] <Nermal> lesshaste, what package do you need ?
[01:00] <lesshaste> goofrider, the same way you choose your distro. Some distros are bad too
[01:00] <Nermal> that is a newer version
[01:00] <liable> ekCo: hmmm, apt-get install xmms?
[01:00] <lesshaste> Nermal, It is not a specific package I am referring to
[01:00] <Nermal> liable, he's running 64 bit :|
[01:00] <ekCo> thats what i've been doing
[01:00] <liable> oooh
[01:00] <Nermal> lesshaste, then why do you need updates ?
[01:00] <Nermal> lesshaste, maybe complain when you can't do something because a package is too old to do it
[01:00] <lesshaste> Nermal, in general? I often like to have new features.. like everyone else :)
[01:00] <goofrider> lesshaste: It's been my exprience that 3rd party RPMs tends to not  follow PSB/FHS as well as third=party DEBs
[01:01] <goofrider> but that's just my experiences
[01:01] <anglophobe> how do i make my linux wireless connect to a wep network?
[01:01] <Nermal> lesshaste, then use breezy in a few months, or development branches of debian
[01:01] <lesshaste> goofrider, this maybe true in general.
[01:01] <lesshaste> Nermal, The point is to be able to add what you want without changing the distro completely
[01:01] <lesshaste> Nermal, new firefox for example
[01:02] <lesshaste> Nermal, or the latest mplayer
[01:02] <goofrider> Nermal: u should real Ubuntu Backports' mission statement
[01:02] <liable> ekCo: I think you need to do the 32bit chroot thing maybe?
[01:02] <goofrider> " to be able to add what you want without changing the distro completely" were their (almosy) exact words
[01:02] <lesshaste> 3rd party repos are a really good thing
[01:02] <goofrider> u shoudl **read***
[01:02] <lesshaste> despite the fact that some are crap :)
[01:02] <lesshaste> it's like saying we shouldn
[01:03] <lesshaste> 't have more shops as some sell crap products
[01:03] <lesshaste> consumers do have *some* responsibility!
[01:03] <goofrider> what is the arguement again?
[01:03] <lesshaste> goofrider, no idea :)
[01:03] <Nermal> lesshaste, use unofficial repositories then
[01:03] <liable> lesshaste: install fedora then :|
[01:03] <lesshaste> goofrider, just wanted to know about 3rd party repos for ubuntu
[01:03] <Nermal> there are plenty for debian / ubuntu
[01:04] <lesshaste> liable, I am moving *from* fedora :)
[01:04] <Nermal> lesshaste, tell you what..
[01:04] <goofrider> less: there are a few
[01:04] <goofrider> and we're still nre, more will come
[01:04] <Nermal> lesshaste, you make a repository of all the packages you want for ubuntu, and mantain and support them
[01:04] <lesshaste> goofrider, good point
[01:04] <Nermal> then we won't have this problem any more
[01:04] <lesshaste> Nermal, no server money :(
[01:04] <goofrider> as u can use most 3rd-party unstable packages
[01:04] <Nermal> lesshaste, sourceforge ?
[01:04] <lesshaste> Nermal, can they do repos?
[01:05] <Nermal> I'm not sure..
[01:05] <liable> lesshaste: install source packages if you must, or use alien, or use debian :)
[01:05] <lesshaste> Nermal, I didn't realise. I thought you got cvs/web access etc.
[01:05] <Nermal> I'm sure someone will offer bandwidth :)
[01:05] <goofrider> lessheste: just submit your new custom packages to Ubuntu Backport. They have a staging area that anyone can commit to
[01:05] <lesshaste> liable, I didn't really mean just for me :)
[01:05] <lesshaste> Nermal, That would be cool if they did
[01:05] <lesshaste> goofrider, excellent.. thx
[01:05] <liable> lesshaste: your point is then?
[01:05] <lesshaste> liable, I am not making a point/argument. Just asking and chatting
[01:06] <goofrider> less: and u can also pursuit a MOTU to accept the package to Universe
[01:06] <lesshaste> MOTU?
[01:06] <lesshaste> (new from fedora.. sorry)
[01:06] <goofrider> but I think backports is the best rout, cuz the packages can get tested b4 it move into universe
[01:06] <lesshaste> sounds very good
[01:06] <goofrider> MOTU = Master of the Universe
[01:06] <anglophobe> anyone?
[01:06] <lesshaste> ah :)
[01:06] <goofrider> Universe maintainers
[01:07] <Nermal> anglophobe, use the gnome net config too
[01:07] <Nermal> tool *
[01:07] <Nermal> or do iwconfig wlan0 enc <wepkey>
[01:07] <ekCo> liable, how do i install the 32bit chroot lol?
[01:07] <goofrider> less: Read the debian New Maintainer Guide and the Packaging Guide on Ubuntu Wiki
[01:07] <anglophobe> ermm I using kbuntu on the live cd.. want to make sure that my wireless card works.
[01:08] <anglophobe> Nermal: do I need to inclue the ESSID or anything?
[01:08] <liable> ekCo: sorry dude, no idea, dont have a 64, google should lead you in the right direction though. Just google 32 bit chroot
[01:08] <ekCo> how do you force a cdrom to unmount.. ie ut2004 installation lol
[01:08] <Nermal> anglophobe, erm.. you can do
[01:09] <Nermal> anglophobe, iwconfig wlan0 essid <essid> enc <wepkey>
[01:09] <goofrider> lesshaste: There's a huge community around Debian/Ubuntu as well. Remember that what's consider 3rd party packages in Feoora is commonly in the official repo in Debian/Ubuntu
[01:09] <Nermal> then do iwconfig and see if it's got the access point mac
[01:09] <lesshaste> goofrider, thx. I don't know much it turns out.
[01:09] <lesshaste> Nermal, :)
[01:09] <Nermal> :)
[01:10] <anglophobe> thansk nermal, i'll try that tonight when I get home from work.
[01:10] <lesshaste> goofrider, so ubuntu can use mepis deb packages too? e.g. the acrobat 7 one etc.
[01:10] <goofrider> because Fedora was Red Hat, and Red Hat had strict control of its repo
[01:10] <jiyuu0> ekCo, force unmount: umount -l /media/cdrom
[01:10] <ekCo> cheers
[01:10] <jiyuu0> i do that often :)
[01:10] <goofrider> so that's why there was a huge third-party RPM community
[01:10] <goofrider> in Debian world, these third-party packages often get accpeted to Sid directly
[01:10] <lesshaste> goofrider, fedora has a nice selection of 3rd party repos depending on how crazy/risky you are
[01:10] <anglophobe> anyone have experience setting up ubuntu/kubuntu on an ibm x31?
[01:11] <lesshaste> goofrider, for example.. for bleeding madness use atrpms
[01:11] <lesshaste> goofrider, things in freshrpms.net just work.. etc
[01:11] <goofrider> less: There's a Arcobat 7 DEB in Ubuntu Backports
[01:11] <lesshaste> goofrider, thx! Where do the things of dubious legality go?
[01:11] <lesshaste> the multimedia stuff etc.
[01:11] <goofrider> lesshaste: That's why there's debian Unstable (Sid) and Experiental/Staging
[01:12] <goofrider> Debian's repo is more centralized and community-driven
[01:12] <lesshaste> goofrider, but can you take one package from unstable and put it in your stable set up?
[01:12] <khirsha> hi, i'm triyng to get my copy of the ubuntu hoary repositories by debmirror
[01:12] <goofrider> Sure, but I won't recommend it to a noob to pull directly from Debian Sid
[01:12] <khirsha> but if i insert the universe section i get 2 error
[01:13] <lesshaste> goofrider, ok.. that's what the 3rd party repos are really good for. You just take the one thing you want
[01:13] <khirsha> [ 28%]  Getting: pool/universe/g/gcc-3.4/g77-3.4_3.4.3-9ubuntu4_amd64.deb failed:Failed to open file.
[01:13] <khirsha> [ 28%]  Getting: pool/universe/g/gcc-3.4/g77-3.4_3.4.3-9ubuntu4_i386.deb failed:Failed to open file.
[01:13] <lesshaste> goofrider, Where do the things of dubious legality go? It's livna.org in fedora
[01:13] <goofrider> lesshaste: For legally grey packages, there'll usually be unoffical third-party places for them (like Marillat). Check apt-get.org
[01:13] <lesshaste> thx
[01:14] <goofrider> which is a third-party apt direcotry like freshrpms
[01:14] <goofrider> less: makeing your own DEB from source is pretty eay too. I;m learning that right now
[01:14] <odyssey> goofrider, you will find that you dont need third party directorys alot of the time because pretty much everything is in the universe repo
[01:14] <nubious> later guys
[01:14] <goofrider> nite nub
[01:15] <ekCo> hmm
[01:15] <odyssey> goofrider, are you reading a guide for creating a .deb?
[01:15] <goofrider> odyssesy: that's what I've been saying to lessshaste. That what usually exist in third-party ROM repo are included in universe/multiverse and Debian Sid
[01:15] <lesshaste> goofrider, marillat :) Now I am happy !
[01:16] <lesshaste> is there a checkinstall equivalent?
[01:16] <goofrider> Odessey. I'm reading Debian New Main Guide and the Ubuntu Packaging Process (I think I'm just submitting to Backports though)
[01:16] <ekCo> is transgaming*.deb obtainable somehow.. or is it costly..
[01:16] <daniels> ekCo: costly
[01:16] <lesshaste> In other words something that makes a .deb package from "./configure;make;make install"
[01:16] <ekCo> argh!
[01:16] <goofrider> lesshaste dh_make
[01:16] <ekCo> isn't older releases free?
[01:16] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: from where are you learning to make .debs?
[01:16] <goofrider> jsut read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[01:16] <lesshaste> goofrider, cool!
[01:17] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: could you give me the url?
[01:17] <lesshaste> I am still waiting for my free cds in the post :)
[01:17] <goofrider> ask google
[01:17] <Fator_Dee> :-<
[01:17] <lesshaste> me?
[01:17] <lesshaste> oh ok
[01:18] <goofrider> or apt-get install maint-guide
[01:18] <Fator_Dee> long guide :-o
[01:18] <lesshaste> last thing.. is there a net install for ubuntu? Couldn't seem to see one
[01:18] <goofrider> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[01:18] <lesshaste> Ideally I would like to boot off a floppy or even make kernel image on my current setup and install ubuntu over the net
[01:18] <goofrider> remember to read the Debian FHS (Filesystem Hierachy Standard) Guide too
[01:19] <goofrider> it tends you what should go where
[01:19] <ekCo> sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap isn't working, any ideas why?
[01:19] <goofrider> it tells u what should go where
[01:19] <goofrider> ekco: do u have universe enabled?
[01:20] <ekCo> think so..
[01:20] <goofrider> ekco: what is the error?
[01:20] <ekCo> not found..
[01:20] <goofrider> lesshaste: use Debootstrap
[01:20] <goofrider> ekco: apt-get update????
[01:21] <goofrider> #apt-cache search dchroot
[01:21] <goofrider> and see if it's there
[01:21] <goofrider> in the repo
[01:22] <goofrider> Lesshaste: Google for Debootstrap and u can find looks of guides
[01:22] <lesshaste> goofrider, ok.very interesting!
[01:22] <ekCo> tried it goofrider
[01:22] <Mabus> Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel module, but it says "Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 3.3.6 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.0.1.", anyone know how to fix that ?
[01:22] <Mabus> I've done "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3"
[01:22] <lesshaste> goofrider, I have noticed you don't really seem to distingush debian from ubuntu.
[01:22] <goofrider> Maus: r u using the Kernel Source Packages?
[01:22] <Mabus> goofrider: no
[01:23] <goofrider> Mabus: Debian/Ubuntu has it's own way of handle kernel/module compiles
[01:23] <Mabus> goofrider: yes .. this isn't an official kernel module
[01:23] <goofrider> Mabus: download the kernel source/header packeages using apt-get
[01:23] <blake> helow
[01:23] <blake> i have a problem
[01:23] <ekCo> goofrider, any other ideas?
[01:24] <jeroen_> helow
[01:24] <goofrider> Mabus: and use make-kpkg to make kernel DEBs. The result is a custom kernel package that u can install( and manage) using APT
[01:24] <blake> i'm new to ubntu and linux and i need someone if they can to help me
[01:24] <Mabus> goofrider: that's how I did fglrx, yes .. but this is vmware
[01:24] <goofrider> lesshaste: Technically, Ubuntu is a branch of Deiban
[01:25] <lesshaste> goofrider, the extra trick I need is to install ubuntu on top of my existing system. In other words I need to load the whole system into RAM to do this
[01:25] <Mabus> blake: please just ask
[01:25] <blake> i'm just trying to mount a ntfs hard drive so i can get some files off it and be done with is and i can't seem to figure ou t how to go about it
[01:25] <lesshaste> goofrider, thx for the help.
[01:25] <lesshaste> goofrider, I will bootstrap away
[01:25] <blake> i've ben on fourms and browsed sourceforge
[01:25] <ekCo> argh anyone know how i can get dchroot debootstrap installed, i keep getting an error, saying it cant be found and no packages.. i've updated etc
[01:26] <Mabus> blake: I doubt that, there are several posts about this on the forums.
[01:26] <blake> well
[01:26] <goofrider> lesshaste: Well then make a boot floppy from your old system if u need to boot from that kernel
[01:26] <Mabus> blake: mount -t ntfs /dev/device /mnt/point
[01:26] <blake> i didn't go to ubuntu
[01:27] <goofrider> Mabus: I'm not sure but I think u can try to make your own module0assistant enhanced module using some tools
[01:27] <blake> that didn't work
[01:27] <Mabus> goofrider: I'll probably figure it out, thanks
[01:27] <goofrider> Mabus:wait.. I'm sorry, you said u have GCC version issue
[01:28] <goofrider> I missed that part.  LOL
[01:28] <Mabus> goofrider: yes
[01:28] <ekCo> erm isn't transgaming* just the cedega-4.3.1.deb?
[01:28] <Mabus> :P
[01:28] <Mabus> ekCo: and the GUI tool ... click2play or something.
[01:28] <ekCo> so you can work just off cedega though?
[01:28] <goofrider> blake: is ntfsprogs installed? it might not be installed by default
[01:28] <Mabus> ekCo: yes
[01:28] <goofrider> Mabus: I'll check on the GCC issue
[01:28] <jeroen_> Backports server slow?
[01:28] <blake> i'll see
[01:28] <Mabus> goofrider: nice, thanks
[01:28] <blake> brb
[01:28] <liable> blake: type 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[01:29] <jeroen_> downloading @ 6243B/s now, form backports
[01:29] <liable> blake: see a ntfs partition?
[01:29] <ekCo> hah
[01:30] <blake> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:30] <blake> /dev/hda1   *           1        3497    28089621   83  Linux
[01:30] <blake> /dev/hda2            3498        3649     1220940    5  Extended
[01:30] <blake> /dev/hda5            3498        3649     1220908+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[01:30] <ekCo> seems cedega does work on 64bit
[01:30] <ekCo> without a chroot ><!
[01:30] <ekCo> working for me right now :o
[01:30] <ekCo> interesting :o
[01:31] <liable> ekCo: got xmms working?
[01:31] <goofrider> Mabus: not sure what I can do (not very good at comiling my own stuff). I guess you need to ceck your make files. Wish I could be mroe helpful
[01:31] <liable> blake: 'lsmod' any ntfs looking modules?
[01:31] <ekCo> liable, nope, but i managed to get cedega to run :o
[01:32] <blake> you were right
[01:32] <blake> it wasn't installed
[01:32] <blake> i am installing it right now
[01:33] <blake> now what should i type
[01:33] <Mabus> goofrider: alright, thanks
[01:33] <blake> should i be able to find it
[01:33] <goofrider> sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs???
[01:33] <blake> i didn't have  ntfsprogs
[01:33] <blake> i just got it tho
[01:34] <goofrider> Mabus: At least now I know what it watch out for when I install VMware
[01:34] <goofrider> LOL
[01:34] <goofrider> what **to** watch out for
[01:35] <Mabus> :)
[01:35] <Mabus> problem is that the ubuntu stock kernel is compiled with gcc4
[01:35] <seb128> it is not
[01:35] <blake> did i not need to get that program?
[01:35] <goofrider> did u try using automake and ./configure to change the build enivronemnt?
[01:35] <blake> um....
[01:35] <blake> i'm new
[01:36] <Mabus> seb128: " *** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 3.3.6 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.0.1."
[01:36] <goofrider> that was for Mabus
[01:36] <ekCo> how is unreal tournament 99 installed in ubuntu?
[01:36] <ekCo> there is no setup or nothing, but its a native game to linux.
[01:36] <seb128> Mabus:
[01:36] <seb128>    * Force the kernel to use gcc-3.4:
[01:36] <seb128>      - Add patchmakefile_force-gcc3.4.dpatch.
[01:36] <seb128>      - Add Build-Dep: gcc-3.4.
[01:36] <seb128> from 2.6.11.91-1.1
[01:37] <goofrider> heh u rock
[01:38] <blake> um
[01:39] <ekCo> for a laugh i got worms world party installed on a 64bit system
[01:39] <threat> lol
[01:40] <threat> I am trying to get Ragnarok working under Linux :P
[01:40] <ekCo> hehe
[01:40] <threat> no luck with wine
[01:40] <threat> going to try with crossover office now :)
[01:40] <ekCo> i cant wait to play ut2007 :P
[01:40] <ekCo> i've got exclusive pics from midway etc
[01:40] <threat> :O
[01:40] <Bazzi> :O
[01:40] <Bazzi> leak them
[01:40] <ekCo> and its native to linux
[01:40] <threat> will that have linux support like the last one?
[01:40] <ekCo> indeed
[01:41] <threat> w00t
[01:41] <Bazzi> show us ze pics!
[01:41] <blake> hey does anyone know how to work that app
[01:41] <ekCo> some are on beyond unreal anyway
[01:41] <Bazzi> :p
[01:41] <ekCo> yeah apparantly, their creating a full dvd disc on the install..
[01:41] <threat> what app?
[01:41] <ekCo> so its a full linux disc.
[01:41] <k_deft> have ubuntu another name
[01:41] <k_deft> ?
[01:41] <ekCo> and it auto runs according to epic.
[01:41] <threat> w00t
[01:41] <threat> k_deft, ?
[01:42] <threat> k_deft, kubuntu?
[01:42] <Bazzi> its still a year away so meh
[01:42] <k_deft> srry nothhing
[01:42] <Mabus> aha
[01:43] <Raskall> hmm.. wonder if my hoary cd's are in the mail yet.. *sigh*
[01:43] <Mabus> goofrider, seb128: I just replaced the symbolic link /usr/bin/gcc (which earlier pointed to /usr/bin/gcc4) with a link to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3
[01:43] <seb128> ugly
[01:44] <Nermal> no gcc-config ?
[01:44] <Mabus> voila, vmware
[01:44] <Zambba> What are the system requirements for (K)ubuntu? :$
[01:44] <Nermal> Zambba, should be on kubuntu.org
[01:44] <ekCo> ah what the? .transgaming isn't found..
[01:44] <ekCo> how can this be, when im running it to install apps!?
[01:45] <Nermal> Zambba, or not.. I dunno.. 700mhz cpu, 128 mb ram ?
[01:45] <Nermal> minimum...
[01:46] <Nermal> kde and gnome are both rather heavy
[01:46] <blake> hey yall how do i get to the ubuntu forums
[01:46] <blake> ??
[01:46] <Nermal> forums.ubuntulinux.org ?
[01:46] <Nermal> at a guess
[01:46] <Raskall> www.ubuntuforums.org
[01:46] <Zambba> How much does (K)ubuntu take hdd space?
[01:46] <Nermal> d0h
[01:47] <Nermal> Zambba, depends what you install
[01:47] <Nermal> default is probably 1.5 - 2 gig
[01:47] <Nermal> kde alone is about 500 mb
[01:47] <blake> i had a questin but noone could answer it so i'm gona try the forums
[01:47] <Nermal> blake, what was the question ? :)
[01:49] <hector_> Hello everybody. Im From mexico. Im a debian user , now i decide to try ubuntu distro. :D
[01:49] <Zambba> hello hector_ :)
[01:49] <hector_> Hello Zambba where are you from ?
[01:49] <Zambba> hector_: From Finland
[01:49] <looksaus> is there something like pycairo for ubuntu
[01:49] <looksaus> ?
[01:50] <jeroen_> what is pycairo?
[01:50] <Nermal> quite
[01:50] <blake> ooh
[01:50] <verden01> is skype avalaible for ubuntu?
[01:50] <Nermal> verden01, yah
[01:50] <Raskall> verden01: yup
[01:50] <snader> verden01: yes
[01:50] <Nermal> see http://ubuntuguide.org for how to install it
[01:50] <snader> (:P)
[01:50] <blake> it's probbally on the furm but how do i mount a ntfs drive
[01:50] <Zambba> Okay. I've decided to try out (K)ubuntu. I have now 2 NTFS partitions on my computer (20 + 40 GB). Can Ubuntu's installer make my 20 GB ntfs drive to 15 GB?
[01:50] <looksaus> jeroen_, python bindings for the cairo graphics system
[01:51] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype no less
[01:51] <verden01> cool thanx  but i have an AMD64?
[01:51] <Nermal> umm.. I dunno about that
[01:51] <larsrohdin> maybe a bit offtopic, but is there a good program for making webpages? similar to Front page or dreamweaver?
[01:52] <Nermal> larsrohdin, nvu.com
[01:52] <Nermal> http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[01:52] <larsrohdin> is that open source?
[01:52] <Nermal> yes
[01:52] <Nermal> gpl
[01:52] <verden01> k
[01:52] <larsrohdin> nice, ill check it out, thanks
[01:52] <Nermal> developed by the linspire folks
[01:52] <Nermal> uses the mozilla gecko stuff
[01:53] <hector_> I want to invite you all to get a lieh.net proyect.. that is an email open source proyect, unlimited GB for abount " 1500 " users
[01:54] <Nermal> hector_, I find gmail fine :)
[01:54] <hector_> jajajjaja yup i know gmail its find but im talking about open source , you can enter on the cpanel interface , ask for code , modify , and be on the lieh.net staff
[01:54] <goofrider> nvue roxs
[01:54] <hector_> thats the cool stuff :D
[01:55] <larsrohdin> anyone from sweden in here?
[01:55] <goofrider> it's available for win32 and os x too
[01:55] <Zambba> larsrohdin: Almost ;)
[01:55] <larsrohdin> Zambba, lol...
[01:55] <thenuke> larsrohdin: near enough, why bother asking?
[01:55] <larsrohdin> ever visited www.sweclockers.com?
[01:55] <goofrider> it's in Debian Sid
[01:55] <wdh> Zambba, no, it cannot..
[01:55] <Zambba> sad :(
[01:55] <wdh> Zambba, that is scheduled for the next release..
[01:56] <Zambba> okay :)
[01:56] <hector_> Do you know any geekradio ?
[01:56] <wdh> Zambba, you might wanna consider using knoppix/qtparted for that
[01:56] <hector_> or something like that ? im boring
[01:56] <Zambba> wdh: Is that easy?
[01:57] <Zambba> I just download Knoppix and do the thing with it and then I can install Ubuntu?
[01:57] <Hans_de_Zwart> I installed ubuntu for the first time and cannot get my network interface working correctly. does anybody know what I could try?
[01:57] <jeroen_> Gparted is easy, I guess Qtparted is the same program but for KDE?
[01:57] <wdh> in knoppix you have to run a root-terminal.. and from that just run 'qtparted'
[01:57] <wdh> jeroen_, pretty much
[01:57] <Zambba> okay
[01:57] <Zambba> How big is Knoppix?
[01:58] <Nermal> jeroen_, not exactkyl
[01:58] <hector_> What type of connection you have ADSL ?
[01:58] <goofrider> I use Sysrescd for that
[01:58] <Zambba> I sadly have only 512/512 kbit adsl
[01:58] <Nermal> Zambba, 700mb .. you run it from the cd
[01:58] <wdh> Zambba, one cd.. so be patient
[01:58] <hector_> try pppeoconf in term
[01:58] <Hans_de_Zwart> Zambba: I did it this morning on wdh's advice and it works perfeclty
[01:58] <goofrider> Sysresqcd has LVM, NTFS, HFS, and many other things
[01:58] <hector_> fuck oe i mean
[01:58] <hector_> :D
[01:58] <goofrider> and smaller (like 200MB)
[01:59] <drcodedd2> I can clone my hdd to other hdd ?
[01:59] <Zambba> goofrider: So I can use that to make my ntfs partition smaller?
[01:59] <drcodedd2> like mirror?
[01:59] <goofrider> drco: use partimage
[01:59] <goofrider> if u'r doing a sector-level copy
[01:59] <drcodedd2> thanx
[01:59] <goofrider> for mirror (file-level) use rysnc, rsnapshot, or many other tools
[01:59] <drcodedd2> it work good /
[01:59] <drcodedd2> ?
[02:00] <jeroen_> Zammba, it is doable to d/l with 312
[02:00] <goofrider> drc: not sure. I heard it's gr8 though
[02:00] <wdh> drcodedd2, dd will work just fine if you want an exact clone
[02:00] <drcodedd2> I Have install arakie backup software , I install 30 days trayll
[02:00] <goofrider> drc: partimage can even run as server so u can image to a remote server
[02:00] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ive followed the guide, then what? what command starts the program?
[02:00] <wdh> drcodedd2, dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb2
[02:00] <drcodedd2> how I can unisntall it
[02:00] <drcodedd2> it dosnt come with deb
[02:01] <Zambba> Is this good partition scheme: 15 Gt ntfs for WinXP, 14 Gt ext3 for Ubuntu, 1 Gt swap for Ubuntu and rest of disk (some 30 GB) fat32 for workfiles?
[02:01] <Zambba> Gt = GB
[02:01] <drcodedd2> yes
[02:01] <factorx> 1 gb swap is too much imho
[02:01] <drcodedd2> but dd the dest hdd it will do boot from it ?
[02:02] <goofrider> zambba: I'd put /boot and /usr  on their on parts
[02:02] <malte`> 14GB for Ubuntu is a bit too much IMHO :|
[02:02] <goofrider> drc: you'll have to boot from CD, chroot to the new part and run install-grub
[02:03] <Zambba> Does the fat32 partition show as /dev/hda4 or something as stupid?
[02:03] <drcodedd2> and if I use partimage?
[02:03] <goofrider> RTFM re: grub
[02:03] <drcodedd2> it will also boot automticly from dest , I Mean if I switch between the hdd?
[02:04] <goofrider> partimage image the ENITRE DRIVE i think..... but if u image each parition seprately, u'll still have to do an install-drub
[02:04] <larsrohdin> Nermal, you here?
[02:04] <wdh> drcodedd2, what is it you want?? make a backup image of a partition? or replace a harddisk by another one?
[02:04] <drcodedd2> k
[02:04] <drcodedd2> replace by bigger hdd
[02:04] <thenuke> friend of mine has IA-300B telewell ADSL-PCI  :I does anyone happen to know if ubuntu can support this
[02:04] <drcodedd2> and boot from the new hdd
[02:05] <wdh> drcodedd2, then just use dd if=xxx of=xxx
[02:05] <drcodedd2> I can then boot from the new hdd?
[02:05] <larsrohdin> ok someone else then... i just installed nvu, how do i start it?
[02:05] <drcodedd2> or I need to install somthing?
[02:05] <goofrider> drc: maybe it's easier if u dd the whole drive, then extend the partition (using parted), reboot, then resize_ext3
[02:06] <drcodedd2> k
[02:06] <goofrider> make sure u REBOOT after resizing the partition, but u resize_ext3
[02:07] <goofrider> before *** u resize ext3
[02:07] <goofrider> u can extend ext3 while the partition is mounted
[02:08] <goofrider> done it MANY TIMES in LVM  :)
[02:08] <jacobe> hey sorry but i cant use the debian binary i got from marillat for mplayer on my hoary
[02:08] <jacobe> anyone possibly help me?
[02:09] <goofrider> that depends on the problem   LOL
[02:09] <snader> jacobe: do you get an error message?
[02:09] <snader> "can't use" is a bit vague
[02:09] <jacobe> i get a error message
[02:09] <jacobe> i mean it game with three files
[02:09] <jacobe> two gz
[02:09] <jacobe> and one called debian-binary
[02:09] <Nermal> larsrohdin, ?
[02:10] <jacobe> idont know what to do with any of them
[02:10] <Nermal> I guess nvu starts the program
[02:10] <Nermal> or /opt/nvu/nvu ?
[02:10] <Nermal> or something like that
[02:10] <goofrider> jacob did u add marialliat to your apt sources.list?
[02:10] <jacobe> no is that in the /etc
[02:10] <jacobe> is that the better way?
[02:10] <goofrider> Nermel: did u install the DEB from nvu.com? That DEB install to /opt I thinl
[02:10] <Nermal> anyone using xchat on ubuntu and know how to fix the "open in existing window" stuff so it actually does and doesn't open a new firefox window
[02:11] <Nermal> goofrider, larsrohdin is the one installing nvu
[02:11] <larsrohdin> Nermal, i just followed the guide you sent me...
[02:11] <larsrohdin> and im not using gnome. so that gnome-panel thing doesn't help me...
[02:11] <goofrider> jaocb:   "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[02:12] <Amaranth> no!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:12] <Nermal> larsrohdin, so there should be a /opt/nvu dir there now
[02:12] <goofrider> add that to your sources.list and use apt-get or synaptic to install whatever u need from marillat
[02:12] <Amaranth> If you're going to be stupid enough to use marillat at least use the testing repo.
[02:12] <larsrohdin> Nermal, oh, now something happened!=)
[02:13] <jacobe> adding unstable is a good idea?
[02:13] <goofrider> Amaranth: maybe u should explain the ramiflicatin of adding Marrilat to sources.list instead of just plain bashing everyone recomending it
[02:14] <larsrohdin> Nermal, is NVU a worthy competitor to dreamweaver?
[02:14] <goofrider> Lars: It's far from Dreamweaver. But it's better than FrontPage
[02:14] <goofrider> LOL
[02:14] <cyphase> "Wake up and smell the silicon!"
[02:14] <jacobe> should i turn off marrilat by adding a "#" to it after i get mplayer?
[02:14] <AirWays> Does sources.list work now?
[02:14] <blake> i need my files off of e ntfs partition.............but hat's all i want, i don't want o keep th ntfs file sysem but oha nce andhen i wan o chang it o ext3 format.................can anoe help me?
[02:14] <larsrohdin> goofrider, ok... thanks
[02:14] <goofrider> Jacob: probly a good idea
[02:15] <jacobe> ok ill try it then for mplayer at least
[02:15] <Amaranth> goofrider: Random breakages because it's for Debian is is tracking Debian. Difficulty upgrading to breezy later because of newer packages gotten from marillat. Probably some more I can't think of right now.
[02:15] <goofrider> Jacob: I have Marillat testing too, I forgot why
[02:15] <blake> ???
[02:15] <blake> is there a program i can use??
[02:16] <goofrider> Amaranth: and it'll be any better if they download the DEB from Marilat and install manually? The same version # conflicts apply
[02:16] <Amaranth> goofrider: Exactly. Thus the 'stupid' comment. It's a stupid thing to do.
[02:16] <goofrider> The bottom line is, if u add a third-party repo, the user needs to be responsible for conflicts
[02:17] <Amaranth> goofrider: But they aren't. They expect help here and file bug reports.
[02:17] <goofrider> Amaranth: well then maybe Marillat should not even be mENTIONED in the wiki and Ubuntuguide
[02:18] <Amaranth> goofrider: ubuntuguide is totally unofficial. It's written by a user, not a dev.
[02:18] <Amaranth> goofrider: And the wiki is edittable by all.
[02:18] <goofrider> then maybe YOU should add some warning there?
[02:18] <linuxboy> someone should start a ubuntu version of Marillat
[02:18] <goofrider> If you feel so strongly about it
[02:19] <Amaranth> linuxboy: The backports folks are going to, iirc. Of course backports have some of the same problems...
[02:19] <dolny> :D
[02:19] <dolny> just wanted to say that i finally got the drivers to work
[02:19] <goofrider> linuxboy: I'm with Amarath on that. Marillat should not be in Ubuntu offcially
[02:19] <dolny> :D
[02:20] <JaneW> OMG, can anyone tell me why my firefox windows either hang or close spontaneously suddenly? :(((
[02:20] <goofrider> But people are gonna do what they wanna do no matter how many times you tell them no
[02:20] <goofrider> it's more practical to tell them to do it the safe way
[02:20] <JaneW> makes wiki editing not fun...
[02:20] <jacobe> now i dont even know what mplayer package name to enter on apt-get
[02:20] <dolny> if anyone has problems with ati on ubuntu http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&page=1&pp=10
[02:20] <dolny> does anybody has the same problem with opera:
[02:20] <dolny> when i launch it it freezes on the first setup screen
[02:20] <dolny> ?
[02:21] <blake> gosh is there any way i can get my music files from ntfs that anyone knows of??
[02:21] <Nermal> sure
[02:21] <Nermal> mount -t ntfs /mnt/hda1 /mountpoint
[02:22] <jacobe> i had to compile a separate kernel that could mount the ntfs drive with fedora
[02:22] <jacobe> not sure about ubuntu
[02:22] <Nermal> nah..
[02:22] <goofrider> blake: did u install ntfsprogs?
[02:22] <Nermal> modprobe ntfs
[02:22] <Nermal> then just mount it
[02:22] <dolny> you can mount it normally its in the guide
[02:22] <blake> yeah ...just did it do i need to reboot
[02:22] <Nermal> sudo modprobe ntfs even
[02:22] <blake> wait what ami saying
[02:22] <Nermal> blake, don't have to reboot
[02:22] <blake> it's linux
[02:22] <goofrider> u don't need to reboot, it's Linux
[02:22] <mindspin> ;-)
[02:22] <Nermal> blake, sudo modprobe ntfs then mount the partition
[02:23] <blake> ok
[02:23] <AirWays> Where I can get wine emulator?
[02:23] <goofrider> apt-get wine
[02:23] <goofrider> in universe
[02:23] <blake> what does that mean
[02:23] <Nermal> which ?
[02:23] <cyphase> apt-get wine
[02:23] <cyphase> apt-get cheese
[02:23] <cyphase> apt-get pizza
[02:23] <goofrider> # sudo apt-get install wine
[02:23] <jeroen_> apt-get install picknick
[02:23] <Nermal> jeroen_, picnic
[02:24] <jeroen_> package picknick not found
[02:24] <Fator_Dee> in terminal you write "sudo apt-get install programhereyouwanttoinstall" and it install the program for you if it's available
[02:24] <gorilla_> Nermal, that's was what i thought... that works much better. :-)
[02:24] <Nermal> :)
[02:24] <goofrider> apt-get is the package manager in Ubuntu, like yum, up2date, etc.
[02:24] <jeroen_> picnic: Picnic is a meta package which's dependencies are: wine, cheese,
[02:24] <goofrider> if u prefer, use Synaptic. Which is GUI
[02:24] <blake> can i cpy and paste that
[02:24] <blake> or
[02:25] <jeroen_> Nermal: I'm dutch, we call it picknick.. stupid, huh?
[02:25] <blake> do i need to do something diff
[02:25] <Nermal> jeroen_, not stupid
[02:25] <blake> i've ben trying to do this for hours
[02:25] <Nermal> blake, well.. the sudo modprobe ntfs you can copy and paste
[02:25] <mindspin> in germany we call iz picknick too
[02:25] <Nermal> then you'll need to mount the drive somewhere, so create a mountpoint..
[02:25] <gorilla_> blake: yes, you can copy and paste apt-get install picnic.
[02:25] <Nermal> like mkdir /mnt/music
[02:25] <Nermal> then do mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:25] <goofrider> sudo mkdir
[02:26] <goofrider> since /mnt is root-writable only
[02:26] <Nermal> and your windows drive should be under /mnt/music
[02:26] <Nermal> aye.. sudo for the mkdir and mount
[02:26] <goofrider> sudo mount as well
[02:26] <abbas>  mac-fdisk -l
[02:26] <abbas>  mkdir /home/USER/OSX
[02:26] <blake> ok....
[02:26] <abbas> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /home/abbas/OSX
[02:26] <blake> now i did that it's just another line
[02:27] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake # sudo modprobe ntfs
[02:27] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake #
[02:27] <Nermal> blake, yes.. that worked then
[02:27] <devazion> Hi, i installed hoary with standard settings. I have only one (IDE) drive, it has 2 primary partitons (/ and swap) and 1 logical (/home) all using reiserfs. The problem is that it can't boot, I get GRUB error 17.
[02:27] <Nermal> linux doesn't want a pat on the back or to inform you every time a tool peforms correctly
[02:27] <Nermal> it's just expected
[02:27] <Nermal> now make a dir for the mountpoint
[02:28] <Nermal> sudo mkdir /mnt/music or something
[02:28] <blake> brb i need more "blood"
[02:28] <desplesda> devazion, it may be that grub wasnt installed properly
[02:28] <goofrider> devaz: not sure what error 17 is but u should try booting from CD, chroot the HDD and run install-grub
[02:28] <blake> ok back
[02:29] <goofrider> devaz: did u even get a grub menu BTW?
[02:29] <devazion> desplesda, goofrider, Error 17 means that it can't identify the partition
[02:29] <goofrider> oh u must have the wrong stage1.5
[02:30] <goofrider> at least the boot sector is OK
[02:30] <blake> hey do i make the dir in the computer dir???
[02:30] <blake> or what
[02:30] <goofrider> blake u can make it ANYWHERE
[02:30] <devazion> goofrider, the output told me that it made me a menu yeah
[02:30] <mindspin> you could make it anywhere
[02:30] <goofrider> devaz: so the error happens AFTER u picked a kernel?
[02:31] <Nermal> blake, use the command I said
[02:31] <Nermal> 3 times
[02:31] <Nermal> I don't mind n00bs but deaf noobs piss me off
[02:31] <blake> um
[02:32] <devazion> goofrider, I really don't know, the installation is pretty much automatic...
[02:32] <blake> how do i make a floder?
[02:32] <daniels> Nermal: go easy
[02:32] <mindspin> mkdir
[02:32] <Nermal> daniels, I am :)
[02:32] <Nermal> I think I've been rather patient today for the amount of coffee to typing ratio I'm on#
[02:32] <mindspin> mkdir = make directory
[02:32] <goofrider> devaz: Generally I use ext2/3 for the /boot so I won't see this kind of problems
[02:32] <Nermal> and the fact I've said the same thing 3 times
[02:32] <goofrider> anyways, google from "grub error 17"
[02:33] <goofrider> u'll find lots of instructions
[02:33] <goofrider> looks like u need to boot from CD and do a install-grub
[02:33] <Nermal> shame all the ops do it badger people who have been helping out, not help out themselves
[02:33] <cmbroth> I used qtparted on my ntfs partition w/o any problems
[02:33] <Nermal> :)
[02:33] <eruin> |QuaD-_: welcome to the club
[02:33] <cmbroth> Sorry, slipped backwards a few hours :)
[02:33] <abbas>  mac-fdisk -l
[02:33] <Nermal> yah.. ntfs resizing has been around for a while
[02:33] <abbas> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hda3 /home/abbas/OSX
[02:33] <devazion> goofrider, That might be a sollution. I've already googled it. It means it can't identify the partition...
[02:34] <Amaranth> goofrider: All the references I can find on the wiki for marillat say it'll break things.
[02:34] <goofrider> devaz: But if u'r gonna go thru that trouble, I recommend u might as well create a tiny /boot with ext2
[02:34] <blake> ok i think in the midst of all of this i already made like 5 new folders
[02:34] <Nermal> blake, I told you to do sudo mkdir /mnt/music
[02:34] <Nermal> what part of that don't you understand ?
[02:34] <mindspin> dev, you can try booting knoppix, mmount /mnt/dev/hda1 and vi /etc/fstab
[02:35] <abbas> mount -t hfsplus /dev/hdax /home/user/OSX
[02:35] <Nermal> then I told you (twice) to do sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:35] <Nermal> again, which part is giving you problem
[02:35] <blake> ok
[02:35] <devazion> goofrider, Thanks I will go reinstall with ext3 as /... If it then works I will report this error. Thanks
[02:35] <blake> where can i find that
[02:35] <mindspin> but reinstalling grub will be the solution
[02:35] <chrissturm> whats a good gnome gui to burn isos?
[02:35] <devazion> mindspin, It will?
[02:36] <mindspin> sure
[02:36] <eruin> |QuaD-_: now all we have to do is wait for inotify 0.20 kernels ;)
[02:36] <|QuaD-_> eruin: you can install the patch
[02:36] <blake> ok i did that
[02:36] <|QuaD-_> i haven't decided if i will yet
[02:36] <mindspin> what fs type do you have?
[02:36] <blake> now i have
[02:36] <devazion> mindspin, Reiserfs
[02:36] <goofrider> devaz: u can just resize your root and squeeze a /boot (100MB is enough)
[02:36] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake # sudo modprobe ntfs
[02:36] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake # sudo mkdir /mnt/music
[02:36] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake #
[02:36] <mindspin> worjed fine for me....
[02:36] <eruin> |QuaD-_: I'd rather not mess with kernels again.. haha... patched mine to get dma support for my sata and ide-cd :)
[02:36] <Nermal> blake, and ?
[02:36] <Nermal> so now mount the partition
[02:37] <devazion> goofrider, I will do that!
[02:37] <blake> how
[02:37] <Nermal> 4TH TIME: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:37] <cmbroth> lol
[02:37] <devazion> Thanks a lot for the support everybody!
[02:37] <blake> i have 2 hard drives
[02:37] <Nermal> oh jesus
[02:37] <pef> hello
[02:37] <cmbroth> try man mount
[02:37] <Nermal> I'm not even going to attempt to explain this one
[02:38] <devazion> blake, rtfm should fit in here =)
[02:38] <cmbroth> 2nd hard drive drive should be hdb1
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> eruin: lol
[02:38] <devazion> Bye! Thanks!
[02:38] <Amaranth> chrissturm: nautilus can burn ISOs
[02:38] <eruin> |QuaD-_: what was the option needed for mounted drives?
[02:38] <Amaranth> chrissturm: right click on the ISO file :)
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> eruin: the instructions are here if you change your mind: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[02:38] <eruin> xattr?
[02:38] <eruin> cheers ;)
[02:38] <|QuaD-_> xussr_attributes, or something like that
[02:38] <blake> yeah that's what i hear
[02:38] <chrissturm> amaranth: thx, just saw it :)
[02:39] <blake> so then i should just type that
[02:39] <chrissturm> how can i enable dma as default for my cdrom /dev/hdc
[02:39] <goofrider> Amaranth: well I'll try my best not to recommend ppl to include marillat
[02:39] <cmbroth> I think someone just mentioned having to patch the kernel to get DMA support
[02:39] <Nermal> blake,  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/music ?
[02:39] <goofrider> Personally I pin Marillat to a low priority so I have no issues whatsoever
[02:39] <Nermal> cmbroth, nah.. hdparm -d 1 /dev/<whatever> will turn it on
[02:40] <chrissturm> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc works
[02:40] <Nermal> I'm just not sure how to make it default on boot in ubuntu
[02:40] <blake> actually to be exact
[02:40] <blake> yall
[02:40] <goofrider> cmb: Kernel had DMA for yrs, whatcha talking about?
[02:40] <blake> i have 2 hard drives 2 cd drives and a floppy
[02:40] <chrissturm> i think its an option in /etc/modules
[02:40] <AirWays> How I can install FTP server to my Ubuntu?
[02:40] <Nermal> apt-get install pure-ftpd ?
[02:40] <cmbroth> |QuaD-_: I'd rather not mess with kernels again.. haha... patched mine to get dma support for my sata and ide-cd :)
[02:41] <Nermal> blake, just try the command
[02:41] <|QuaD-_> cmbroth: ok....
[02:41] <|QuaD-_> alright final time ttyl
[02:41] <blake> hda1
[02:41] <goofrider> Nermel: to mount at boottime, modify your /etc/fstab
[02:41] <chrissturm> since i am using ubuntu i finally stopped using self compiled kernels
[02:41] <blake> or hdb1
[02:41] <Nermal> goofrider, no.. to turn dma on
[02:41] <mindspin> blake, why not installing xp?
[02:41] <Nermal> blake, both
[02:41] <AirWays> Okay
[02:41] <goofrider> isn't it on my default?
[02:41] <Nermal> well.. is your music on C or D ?
[02:41] <goofrider> by default?
[02:42] <goofrider> the installer should have detected it
[02:42] <Nermal> if it's on C then hda1 if it's on D then hdb1
[02:42] <cmbroth> Sorry, think I confused the issue(s), I'll go hide in the corner now..
[02:42] <chrissturm> nermal: not neccesarily. my hda is g: in xp :)
[02:42] <blake> can't i just say hdb2?
[02:42] <Nermal> chrissturm, please don't start
[02:42] <blake> and then it would defenately work?
[02:42] <Nermal> blake, well that will be partition 2 on the primary slave. is that what you want
[02:42] <chrissturm> hmm, ok
[02:43] <Nermal> blake, please do not ask for advice if you are then going to discard it and wildly guess what to do
[02:43] <blake> ok
[02:43] <Nermal> either follow the advice or don't ask
[02:43] <blake> sry
[02:43] <blake> so
[02:43] <blake> what was it
[02:43] <blake>  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:43] <goofrider> Nermel: you're not obligted to any handholding
[02:43] <blake> right
[02:43] <Nermal> if it's on C then hda1 if it's on D then hdb1
[02:43] <blake> i'm going to try it
[02:43] <Fackamato> Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time - Stranger in a Strange Land
[02:43] <Fackamato> \o/
[02:43] <Fackamato> Dx
[02:44] <blake> it's pins on the actual hard drive are set to slave if that helps
[02:44] <goofrider> hey I have CJK support???  LOL
[02:45] <blake> holly crap
[02:45] <blake> it worked i think
[02:45] <Nermal> go to /mnt/music in nautilus or wherever and see if your music is there
[02:46] <freex> i need help in python2.4,
[02:46] <blake> i don't know how to open the program
[02:46] <blake> lol
[02:46] <Nermal> blake, buy a mac
[02:46] <Nermal> I fail to see how linux is so complicated compared to windows
[02:46] <cmbroth> Go to places, filesystem, them click on /mnt and then on /music
[02:46] <Nermal> I also fail to see how some people manage to clothe and feed themselves
[02:46] <Nermal> and I've run out of coffee :(
[02:47] <cmbroth> Gnome and KDE are easier than Windoze!
[02:47] <Nermal> and hopefully more intuitive
[02:47] <goofrider> Blake: Maybe u should RTFM
[02:47] <goofrider> there's plenty of resources avail
[02:47] <Nermal> you don't go to start to shutdown the machine for example
[02:47] <cmbroth> No coffee?! Run screaming to the nearest 7-11
[02:47] <goofrider> try asking Google and Ubuntuforums
[02:47] <Nermal> cmbroth, I only had some crap instant coffee anyway, but at least it was caffiene :|
[02:47] <cmbroth> The Ubuntu forums are very helpful
[02:48] <Nermal> blake, what's your paypal account # so I can bill it ?
[02:48] <cmbroth> lol
[02:48] <nevyn> start -> shutdown has to be the most braindead piece of ui design ever.
[02:48] <goofrider> Nermal: U've provided more handholding then it's needed
[02:48] <Nermal> goofrider, I tried :(
[02:48] <Nermal> nevyn, nah .. "control - alt - delete" to log on is
[02:49] <goofrider> Nermel: At some point, u need to say no, RTFM
[02:49] <goofrider> LOL
[02:49] <nevyn> Nermal: no that makes sense... because it's a privilaged call to trap that.
[02:49] <mindspin> blake, did your mum allow you to install ubuntu on the computer?
[02:49] <Nermal> nevyn, "use the combination of keys used to reboot the machine to start your login"
[02:49] <goofrider> blake: no offense, but there are PLENTY of step-by-step guide on how to mount NTFS on Linux
[02:50] <Nermal> goofrider, I do.. but then I'd get questions like "RTFM? where? how? what? why?"
[02:50] <goofrider> Nermal: U don't use Ctrl-Alt-Del to login in XP if u have welcome screen
[02:50] <Nermal> goofrider, oh. never used XP
[02:50] <cmbroth> We need to start this guy on the HOWTO doc.. anyone know the address right off?
[02:50] <daniels> Nermal: 'buy a mac' is not constructive
[02:50] <Nermal> daniels, oh for gods sake
[02:50] <goofrider> to MS's credit, the C-A-D seq for login is so that trojans can't trap the seq and provide a fake login
[02:50] <Nermal> the last god knows how many lines WERE constructive
[02:50] <goofrider> that was an explicit design decision
[02:50] <daniels> i understand that it's trying, but please don't get acerbic
[02:51] <albacker> i want to install a package but that needs another, and the other one needs another one. . all the packages are in the same dir. is there any way to solve this ? in mandrake was something like rpm -ihv * or rpm -Uhv *
[02:51] <daniels> if you need to walk away, then just walk away
[02:51] <Drako60> is there anyway to tell what modules are loaded and boot and in which order?
[02:51] <Nermal> daniels, yes.. you should
[02:51] <blake> ok the folder is there .....but i can't get in it
[02:51] <cmbroth> albacker, are you using synaptic or a terminal window?
[02:51] <goofrider> albacker: use apt-get or synaptic
[02:52] <albacker> no, dpkg !
[02:52] <goofrider> LMAO
[02:52] <Nermal> you know.. after helping quite a few people out, expecially very trying people, a little bit of sarcasm at the end just about keeps me from screaming.
[02:52] <goofrider> use apt-get
[02:52] <albacker> i have all packages in the same dir. and doing dpkg -i *
[02:52] <albacker> goofrider !! i have the packages! ! ! !
[02:52] <cmbroth> apt-get is much easier and will take care of most of your dependencies automagically
[02:52] <Nermal> Comments like that don't encourage people to help trying users at all
[02:52] <kamstrup> albacker: dpkg -i *.deb
[02:52] <cmbroth> That works too ;)
[02:52] <albacker> kamstrup, yeah, but that doesnt install !
[02:52] <kamstrup> Are you sure?
[02:53] <albacker> yes
[02:53] <freex> when i type "kinterbasdb.init(type_conv=100)" i get an error
[02:53] <Nermal> why you chose to pick on certain people who are helping out a lot is beyond me
[02:53] <albacker> it says, problems installiing this
[02:53] <goofrider> albacker:... and all the dependency is there too? I don't why it doesn't work
[02:53] <albacker> goofrider, me too
[02:53] <albacker> maybe it starts installing another package before the other.
[02:53] <freex> Traceback (most recent call last):
[02:53] <freex>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
[02:53] <freex>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kinterbasdb/__init__.py", line 343, in init
[02:53] <freex>     fakeFunc.func_code = realFunc.func_code
[02:53] <freex> ValueError: Date() requires a code object with 0 free vars, not 1
[02:53] <AirWays> Package pure-ftpd not found
[02:53] <goofrider> albackerL have u tried adding the DEB to available?
[02:53] <cmbroth> Can you cut-n-paste the error message?
[02:54] <goofrider> dpkg --add-avail or something
[02:54] <albacker> goofrider,  ?
[02:54] <goofrider> Nermal: What's wrongbud?
[02:54] <blake> it says i don't have permitions to view it
[02:54] <goofrider> albacker: yeah.. I think it sounds like some missing dependency
[02:54] <Nermal> typing my ass off and getting whinged at for letting off a little bit of steam after telling people to do the same thing 5 times
[02:55] <mindspin> stay cool
[02:55] <Nermal> I was
[02:55] <AirWays> What is good FTP program for Ubuntu?
[02:55] <Nermal> gftp ?
[02:55] <Fator_Dee> AirWays: gftp
[02:55] <AirWays> Server I mean
[02:55] <cmbroth> I like ncftp
[02:56] <Nermal> AirWays, pure-ftpd ?
[02:56] <Nermal> proftpd ?
[02:56] <AirWays> But that package not found
[02:56] <AirWays> pure-ftpd
[02:56] <goofrider> blake: well then obviously.. change the permissions
[02:56] <Nermal> blake, sudo umount /mnt/music; sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=022 /dev/hda1 /mnt/music
[02:57] <goofrider> use SFTP instead of plain FTP whenever u can
[02:57] <goofrider> do not install FTP server unlesss u have no other options. FTP is VERY insecure
[02:57] <AirWays> But I want to install FTP-Server
[02:57] <albacker> ariways, why not a 80 one ?
[02:57] <goofrider> I'm jusat saying, re-evalute your need to see if u really need an FTP server
[02:57] <Nermal> AirWays, so apt-get install pure-ftpd
[02:58] <albacker> AirWays, http
[02:58] <Nermal> hmm
[02:58] <dballester> hi to all
[02:58] <AirWays> But it says to package not founfd
[02:58] <Nermal> ubuntu (~) $ aptitude search pure-ftpd
[02:58] <Nermal> p   pure-ftpd                       - Pure-FTPd FTP server
[02:58] <Nermal> tis here :|
[02:58] <Nermal> you got all the repositories enabled ?
[02:58] <daniels> Nermal: you're undoubtedly helping a lot, which everyone appreciates, but if you're friendly to users, people are going to stick around a lot more.
[02:58] <dballester> OT: anybody can point me to the right way to know how wine make file associations? ( I wanna launc openoffice for sxw files under my Lotus Notes mail client ) TIA
[02:59] <albacker> guys can someone give me some repos
[02:59] <Nermal> daniels, I know. I'm sorry. :|
[02:59] <Nermal> AirWays, Section: universe/net
[02:59] <daniels> thanks; i'm not trying to come off as unappreciative
[02:59] <xxenon> where do I configure the actions taken with ACPI events ? (lid closed, power button...)
[02:59] <Nermal> make sure you have universe enabled
[02:59] <Drako60> i just want to know how to see what modules are being loaded at boot and what order
[02:59] <Nermal> Drako60, I think some are loaded in initrd
[02:59] <Nermal> things like disc controller modules / etc
[03:00] <Drako60> yes those are the ones i want to know the order of
[03:00] <goofrider> but u'd think someone know enough about comupters to get on IRC would at least know how to be as self-sufficient as they can
[03:00] <Seveas> xxenon, /etc/acpi/*
[03:01] <kass> hey some problems here with hoary. When selecting anything over 640x480 res screen goes all weird. might be related to HorizSync/Vertical Refresh  Any ideas?
[03:01] <Seveas> but be carful with what you do there :)
[03:02] <mindspin> kass what videocard? hardware?
[03:02] <spacemind> hys ppl
[03:02] <Nermal> I've had that with integrated video cards being set to some stupidly low amount of ram in the bios
[03:03] <kass> NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64
[03:03] <spacemind> can anyone make me change my ideas between using debian and migrate to ubuntu ?
[03:03] <Nermal> hum
[03:03] <Ironfrost> hi - I need to create a new partition to install Windows
[03:03] <Nermal> spacemind, sane release cycle ? :)
[03:03] <goofrider> spacemind; 6 month release cycle, guranteed
[03:03] <kass> well it works fine in windows
[03:03] <Ironfrost> I just installed gparted
[03:03] <Tybor2> hi people... can someone send me output of "dpkg --get-selections" runned on a "clean" hoary?
[03:03] <spacemind> Nermal :)
[03:03] <mindspin> I got a machine here with sis chipset and I never get it runnining whatever card is inside (nvidia, ati, s3)
[03:03] <Nermal> spacemind, it depends what branch of debian you use
[03:03] <Ironfrost> should I unmount my main partition so that I can shrink it
[03:03] <spacemind> Nermal: I use debian sarge with fluxbox
[03:03] <goofrider> spacemind: Xorg
[03:03] <Ironfrost> or would that cause things to fall down?
[03:04] <xxenon> Seveas - thx.
[03:04] <goofrider> Ironfrost: u can't umount your main part ( i tried)
[03:04] <Nermal> spacemind, hmm.. the main things with ubuntu are userfriendliness and good support for gnome /kde
[03:04] <goofrider> U have to boot from CD
[03:04] <Ironfrost> OK
[03:04] <AirWays> How I can restart vsftp ?
[03:04] <Nermal> so I'm not sure how much you would gain by switching
[03:04] <Ironfrost> boot from a LiveCD?
[03:04] <Nermal> sudo /etc/init.d/vsftp restart
[03:04] <spacemind> can i install fluxbox and have a desktop chooser ?
[03:04] <AirWays> OKay thanks
[03:04] <Nermal> or vsftpd
[03:04] <Ironfrost> in that case, how would I be able to change my partitions?
[03:04] <Nermal> I guess...
[03:04] <Seveas> spacemind, yes
[03:04] <kass> mindspin: NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64   ift works peachy in windows
[03:05] <Nermal> Ironfrost, you can't unmount / usually
[03:05] <goofrider> Iron: what do u mean by changing paritions?
[03:05] <Nermal> as /bin/mount is under / ;)
[03:05] <goofrider> You can't umount /
[03:05] <goofrider> but u can boot from a diffrent partition as root
[03:05] <mindspin> yep but I never get any linux with xserver running on that box , but its a cheapo one
[03:05] <Nermal> best thing would be to get a livecd or an installer cd and use the partitioner on that
[03:05] <goofrider> using a livecd is the simplest
[03:06] <mindspin> did you try running live cd on it?
[03:06] <spacemind> ok, i will take a look :) a p 400mhz with 768ram is ok to use gnome ?
[03:06] <Nermal> spacemind, ram is fine.. cpu might chug a little
[03:06] <Nermal> but should be usuable
[03:06] <goofrider> space: I switched to Ubuntu cause Iget things as current as Sid but with better stablilty
[03:06] <Seveas> it'll be usable
[03:07] <goofrider> space: I have 512MB and 933MHz P3. Working pretty welll (with load of daemons in the background)
[03:07] <Seveas> goofrider, there are even things from experimental in Ubuntu :)
[03:07] <Ironfrost> goofrider: Gparted tells me that I have /dev/hda1 (my main partition), and /dev/hda2 (extended) which contains /dev/hda5 (linux-swap)
[03:07] <spacemind> goofrider: i wanna give a try because what you say :)
[03:08] <Ironfrost> what I want to do (and what I mean by 'changing partitions') is to shrink /dev/hda1 and create a fat32 partition
[03:08] <Nermal> Ironfrost, you can't resize / when it's mounted.. and when linux is running you generally can't unmount /
[03:08] <goofrider> space: what did I say?
[03:08] <goofrider> don't blame me!!!!
[03:08] <Ironfrost> Nermal - OK
[03:08] <|iXiiOn|> hello
[03:08] <Nermal> Ironfrost, a livecd runs from the cd, so / isn't mounted, meaning you can resizer it
[03:09] <Ironfrost> do any liveCDs have partition editing tools?
[03:09] <Nermal> resize*
[03:09] <goofrider> well, make sure u don't run too many daemons. 400MHz might not be enough
[03:09] <Nermal> umm... knoppix will have
[03:09] <Ironfrost> preferably something graphical
[03:09] <Ironfrost> 'k
[03:09] <Nermal> I think
[03:09] <mindspin> knoppix has qtpatred
[03:09] <Nermal> there you go :)
[03:09] <spacemind> goofrider: lol :)
[03:09] <cmbroth> MEPIS has qtparted also
[03:09] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot
[03:09] <|iXiiOn|> i have a question does it make sense to use ubuntu for a 300mhz pc ?
[03:09] <cyphase> where's the gzip module for apache2? or is libapache-mod-gzip for apache1 and 2?
[03:09] <Ironfrost> I think I have knoppix lying around somewhere, so I'll use that
[03:09] <spacemind> if i use debian as experimental isnt almost the same as ubuntu ?
[03:09] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, not for much graphical stuff
[03:09] <goofrider> SysresqCd has QTParted as well (but the CD itself is terminal)
[03:09] <Nermal> something like fluxbox may be ok
[03:10] <|iXiiOn|> Nermal no hust office stuff
[03:10] <|iXiiOn|> just
[03:10] <Nermal> but it's probably not quite quick enough for gnome / kde
[03:10] <daniels> spacemind: no, experimental is different.  it still has older versions of gnome and xorg in particular, and we have a different set of packages, different default setup, etc.
[03:10] <goofrider> I live SysResqCd better since it's small (200MB), has LVM, ReiserFs, XFS, HTS
[03:10] <goofrider> HFS
[03:10] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, I mean any graphics.. ie: a graphical environment
[03:10] <spacemind> okay, great, i will definitly give a try now :)
[03:10] <Nermal> 300mhz makes a nice console machine :)
[03:10] <goofrider> and a textmode live CD is better since the boot time is MUCH SHORTER than Knoppix
[03:10] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, how much ram ?
[03:10] <|iXiiOn|> 64 :)
[03:10] <Drako60> Questiong, how does the kernel check the cable bits against the BIOS?
[03:11] <spacemind> Nermal: console ? i play unreal tournament with it in debian :)
[03:11] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, may just be enough to install :)
[03:11] <mindspin> make it a router ;-)
[03:11] <cmbroth> On a 300MHz?
[03:11] <spacemind> cmbroth: 350mhz overclocked to 400mhz
[03:11] <Nermal> heh
[03:11] <Nermal> speeed
[03:11] <cyphase> does anyone know where the gzip module for apache2? or is libapache-mod-gzip for apache 1 and 2?
[03:11] <|iXiiOn|> hm wel then i think i better take win98 or something
[03:11] <goofrider> speaking of router.. any of u tried ClarkConnect? I use IPCop but I'd like some fancier features
[03:11] <spacemind> i have some debian routers with 166mhz and 64ram :)
[03:12] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, openoffice will definately chug on that machine
[03:12] <mindspin> there are some small computer distros out there, try google
[03:12] <bloomberg> is there an inbox-monitor available for Ubuntu?
[03:12] <Nermal> bloomberg, sure.. there are panel apps
[03:12] <Nermal> a local inbox or something like gmail ?
[03:12] <zxc> does anyone know how to make the "unhide" and "user" options for the CD-Rom in the "Fstab"
[03:12] <goofrider> space: let me just say that Gnome perform betters than KDE on my Ubuntu box
[03:12] <bloomberg> can't find it in apt-cache search inbox
[03:12] <cyphase> |iXii0n|, use it as a cluster node ;)
[03:12] <goofrider> space: so avoid KDE if u can.....
[03:13] <|iXiiOn|> hehe
[03:13] <daniels> goofrider: performance of the two differs between machines.  one is cpu-heavy, the other ram-heavy.
[03:13] <ayvmaat_> use XFCE !
[03:13] <goofrider> space: I use IPcop for my router
[03:13] <bloomberg> local inbox
[03:13] <goofrider> GPL
[03:13] <bloomberg> evolution actually
[03:13] <Seveas> cyphase, isn;t that integrated into apache 2?
[03:13] <goofrider> 40MB installer
[03:13] <munki> bloomberg , try search in synaptic .
[03:13] <daniels> you can't make a blanket statement that either is faster than the other
[03:13] <|iXiiOn|> no its for my father i thought it would be nice to update his pc ab bit
[03:13] <cyphase> Seveas, i don't think so, because its not sending it compressed
[03:13] <bloomberg> munki: i have, no results for inbox that are panel apps
[03:13] <|iXiiOn|> now he has an 100mhz 486 :)
[03:14] <goofrider> daniel: which one is which?  LOL
[03:14] <cyphase> Seveas, it sends the gzip header, but its not actually compressed
[03:14] <Nermal> p   mboxcheck-applet                - A GNOME2 applet to check your mboxes ?
[03:14] <goofrider> daniels: I wasn't trying to make a blanket statement, my system is somewhat similiar in specs to space's
[03:14] <bloomberg> yeah i tried that, can't find it on the Add Panel though, do I have to put it on there manually
[03:14] <Nermal> ummm
[03:15] <goofrider> and my comment was stircitly in that context. My recommendation to him based on our similar systems
[03:15] <daniels> fair enough
[03:15] <|iXiiOn|> well i konw 300mhz is almost crpa but i dont want to through it away , and i cant build always routers out of the old pc .. :)
[03:16] <zxc> if I was to add "unhide" to the Fstab do I just do ,Unhide after the option for the drive
[03:16] <Nermal> bloomberg, a killall gnome-panel made it appear for me
[03:16] <Nermal> (it respawns)
[03:16] <spacemind> |iXiiOn|: install debian with fluxbox, it rox a lot :)
[03:16] <goofrider> ixii: yeah fluxbox might work well
[03:17] <goofrider> how much RAM does it have though
[03:17] <|iXiiOn|> 64 mb
[03:17] <ayvmaat_> BlackBox 4 ever
[03:17] <bloomberg> Nermal: how do I get the panel back again, just gnome-panel?
[03:17] <goofrider> well.... maybe not
[03:17] <goofrider> LMAO
[03:17] <Nermal> bloomberg, it should come back itself :|
[03:17] <mindspin> is it possible to apgrade it (ramwize)
[03:17] <Nermal> maybe killall -HUP would have been a better plan :|
[03:17] <|iXiiOn|> are there complett distros fpr old pcs ?
[03:18] <Nermal> redhat 6 ? :)
[03:18] <mindspin> check google there are some
[03:18] <Nermal> erm.. debian ?
[03:18] <bretzel> bloomberg: just exec gnome-panel
[03:18] <kynes> hi
[03:18] <Nermal> debian woody loves old machiens
[03:18] <mindspin> but I hjave no link
[03:18] <goofrider> just use Ubuntu server
[03:18] <Nermal> goofrider, aye.. but the installer still need > 32mb
[03:18] <kynes> I can't compile some code using xlib.h
[03:18] <goofrider> it'll depend on what u wanna do with it
[03:18] <kynes> or other things from X11
[03:18] <kynes> what must I do ?
[03:18] <bloomberg> ok thanks
[03:18] <kynes> I know ubuntu hoary uses xorg
[03:18] <Nermal> kynes, what's the error ?
[03:18] <goofrider> Like I said, I use the IPCop distro for router
[03:19] <kynes> there is no header file like that
[03:19] <kynes> that's the cause
[03:19] <kynes> where can I find the devel files of xorg?
[03:19] <kynes> will X11 devel files work?
[03:19] <kynes> I'm kinda confused about that
[03:20] <Nermal> apt-get install xlibs-dev
[03:20] <Nermal> ?
[03:20] <goofrider> kynes: maybe try searching for Xlib.h on packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntulinux.org???
[03:20] <kynes> will it work for xorg?
[03:20] <Nermal> "X Window System client library development files"
[03:20] <thenuke> could you build windows xp with tools made for win 3.11
[03:20] <Nermal> I think so
[03:20] <daniels> kynes: it's in a bunch of libraryes.  xlib.h is libx11-dev.  you can get most of the client-side hearders with xlibs-dev, libxss-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxxf86vm-dev, libxxf86misc-dev, and libxxf86dga-dev
[03:20] <goofrider> u should be able to find packges by the files they contain
[03:20] <daniels> also, 'libraries', 'headers'.  bleh.
[03:21] <kynes> why doesn't ubuntu come with these things
[03:21] <Nermal> it does
[03:21] <goofrider> thenuke: win3.1 tools make win16 apps. it'll run on XP just looks like crap and doesn't have 32-bit mode addressing
[03:21] <Nermal> they just aren't installed by default
[03:21] <Nermal> people are expected to use debs of precompiled stuff, not compile there own
[03:22] <karim___> hi
[03:22] <Nermal> their*
[03:22] <thenuke> goofrider: smartass? yes.
[03:22] <karim___> does anyone know if something like an usb driver that makes a PC like a Usb Mass Storage exist ?
[03:22] <goofrider> kynes: it's very easy to figure out what dev packages to get once u get used to the packaging system
[03:23] <Nermal> karim___, sure.. just plug the usb device in and you should get an icon on the desktop
[03:23] <kynes> I'm getting xlibs-dev and it's dependencies now
[03:23] <MyKq3> hello ppl whats up :)
[03:23] <goofrider> thenuke:  LOL
[03:23] <Nermal> lo MyKq3
[03:23] <neofeed> what's the reason ubuntu (hoary) runs with an ageing version of gaim... new one is hardly stable or something?
[03:23] <goofrider> neofeed: hoary-backport has a new one
[03:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I tell gnome to run sudo dpkg -i filename whenever I d-click on a .deb ?
[03:24] <goofrider> not sure if that's new enough for u
[03:24] <Nermal> NeoCool, that was the latest that was available at the time of the freeze.. simple
[03:24] <kynes> what's the difference between xorg and X11
[03:24] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, bad plan
[03:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, why?
[03:24] <Andril> hello
[03:24] <goofrider> neofeed: the version of GAI is picked probly becauase that was the stable version when hoary is frozen
[03:24] <Andril> I am stuck in Crash City
[03:24] <karim___> Nermal no I mean the other way around.
[03:24] <thenuke> goofrider: or am I wrong? does X11-devel  work for xorg
[03:24] <Nermal> because a) sudo is for console.. you want gtksudo or similar and b) no console will appear so no confirmation text or error messages will appear
[03:24] <neofeed> goofrider, hmm okay gotta add hoary-backports
[03:24] <goofrider> xorg is the X server lib I think
[03:25] <goofrider> and X11 is the X client lib
[03:25] <karim___> Nermal kind of it is with firewire
[03:25] <karim___> how
[03:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, if you're thinking of security, I still have to authorize it by putting in my password
[03:25] <goofrider> But I'm just guessing
[03:25] <Nermal> you want to make a PC appear as a usb storage device ?
[03:25] <Amaranth> hey, macs can do that, but as firewire
[03:25] <karim___> nermal exactly
[03:26] <Nermal> a windows PC ?
[03:26] <goofrider> well Firewire is VERY diffrent from USB
[03:26] <kynes> goofrider: I think it's a bit wrong.. because I know they are doing approximately the same job but they're different
[03:26] <daniels> kynes: x11 is the protocol that we use
[03:26] <Nermal> goofrider, thank god :)
[03:26] <neofeed> goofrider, is there a tutorial or somesuch on how to create ubuntu packages?
[03:26] <karim___> I have seen a topic about that somewhere, but I don't remember where
[03:26] <bloomberg> ok so I've put in mailcheck i now get ""The panel encountered a problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_MboxCheck. delete applet from config?"
[03:26] <goofrider> in the fact that USB requires a a node act as the host for all transfers
[03:26] <daniels> kynes: xorg is an organisation (x.org) that produces the sample implementation of x11 -- clients, libraries, servers
[03:26] <Xappe> hmm, have they solved the issues woth backports and upgrading? or do I have to track the backports down myself when it's time to upgrade?
[03:26] <karim___> a linux pc or windows, whatever
[03:26] <Nermal> bloomberg, :(
[03:26] <larsrohdin> a bit off topic, but can someone tell me what IRC-client this is? http://www.deviantart.com/view/481013/
[03:26] <daniels> kynes: libx11 is the standard client-side library, but it sucks.  libx11-dev is the dev stuff for that library alone.
[03:26] <goofrider> neofeed: Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[03:27] <Nermal> bloomberg, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3882.html
[03:27] <tritium> Good morning!
[03:27] <kynes> ok so what's the package xorg-common?
[03:27] <Nermal> lo tritium
[03:27] <kynes> if x.org is just an organisation
[03:27] <tritium> Hi Nermal, good to see you.
[03:27] <karim___> so there is no such thing as UMS for a pc
[03:27] <Gog> xorg is a new implementation of X, produced by x.org
[03:27] <kynes> I think you're right but not exactly telling all the meaning the word "xorg" has
[03:27] <Nermal> tritium, it is ?
[03:27] <goofrider> Xorg is also the reference implementaion of X Server we use
[03:28] <tritium> Nermal, of course
[03:28] <kynes> Gog: I meant that. exactly
[03:28] <karim___> sharing could be done through samba
[03:28] <neofeed> goofrider, thanks. Do you even further know why the gpg generation on ubuntuguide's "How to add extra repositories" does not work?
[03:28] <karim___> it would be nice ^^^
[03:28] <cmbroth> Maybe explain the difference between Xorg and XFree86?
[03:28] <Nermal> larsrohdin, bitchx
[03:28] <kynes> Gog: so I'm asking what's the difference between new and old implementations?
[03:28] <Nermal> note the bitchx> prompt at the bottom of the window
[03:28] <goofrider> neofeed: what error r u getting?
[03:28] <larsrohdin> Nermal, oh ok
[03:28] <kynes> cmbroth: sorry. I should've phrased it like this
[03:28] <Gog> kynes, what's the difference between deadrat/debian/suse/.... :)
[03:28] <Nermal> tritium, I'm not used to people saying that :|
[03:29] <kynes> cmbroth: as you said
[03:29] <daniels> kynes: xorg-common is the common files shared between the servers from x.org's standard implementation (xorg)
[03:29] <Nermal> Gog, lots and lots
[03:29] <Gog> someone's probably cataloged the diffs - google
[03:29] <drcodedd2> hi all
[03:29] <neofeed> goofrider, prompt keeps hanging - doing nothing [waiting for input?] 
[03:29] <tritium> Nermal, well, it's good to see you, all the same.
[03:29] <Nermal> thankyou
[03:29] <milouny> I installed Ubuntu on a system with a wireless card with a prism2-chip, and it was detected... But I loses it's wireless capabilities all the time: iwconfig then says "no wireless extensions", or it shows wireless extensions but says "NOT READY!". How is this caused?
[03:29] <Nermal> milouny, anything in dmesg ?
[03:29] <neofeed> goofrider, maybe it can't find the host?
[03:30] <Andril> has anyone been experiencing apps just carshing (closing)? Like Firefox and such
[03:30] <daniels> kynes: when you get into the history involving xfree86 forking from the x consortium, the xc changing to x.org, x.org re-forking from xfree86, x.org dissolving and forming the x.org foundation, which is totally different, and the version number disaster ... it's all clear as mud
[03:30] <goofrider> neofeed: what cmd did u use? Possibly wget is choking while getting the key
[03:30] <neofeed> goofrider, gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[03:30] <milouny> Nermal: Ow, I should have checked for that. I don't have access to the box now, as that wireless connections is my only way to the internet -- I'm 15km further now :)
[03:30] <Nermal> Andril, erm.. run from terminal and see what the exit message is ?
[03:30] <goofrider> to add to daniels comment: there's a great FAQ that came with the Org docs
[03:30] <Andril> ok
[03:31] <Nermal> milouny, sounds like it could be an irq problem or some such... you could try booting with pci=noacpi and maybe adding noapic
[03:31] <Nermal> see how stable that is
[03:31] <goofrider> talks about X11 histroy, Xfree86 history, theXfree86 license fiasco and why we have Xorg now
[03:31] <Andril> Nermal, thanks - I would have never thought of that
[03:31] <Nermal> Andril, pci=noacpi was my magic fix at suse
[03:31] <Nermal> though admittedly that was more to do with 2.4.x kernel series, but it can still help with 2.6.x
[03:31] <mindspin> this applies also to older thinkpads ;-)
[03:31] <goofrider> neofeed: I think I had problems with that too. I just downloaded the key directly from search the keyserver @ MIT then imported manually
[03:32] <Andril> Nermal, is this a command?
[03:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, if you have a sec, why would it be a bad idea to set gnome to install as i mentioned earlier?
[03:32] <milouny> But I know `rmmod prism54; modprobe prism54' solves it sometimes. I had the same problem on debian unstable (kernel 2.6.6), and then rmmod would work - although very often it could not release and it would suck all cpu, and I had to do a hard reboot as "shutdown" was ignored by the kernel. That's why I decided to install ubuntu... But I have comparable problems.
[03:32] <Nermal> Andril, no. a kernel parameter
[03:32] <kynes> goofrider&daniels: thanks I'll search and read
[03:32] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, I did answer but didn't put your nick in front.. one sec
[03:32] <daniels> Nermal: noapic and pci=noacpi are the two magic bullets in that part of the world
[03:32] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, because a) sudo is for console.. you want gtksudo or similar and b) no console will appear so no confirmation text or error messages will appear
[03:32] <milouny> Nermal: I'll try it with pci=noacpi, thanks...
[03:32] <Nermal> daniels, aye.. suse's decision to turn all of acpi on in 2.4.x was a bad plan :|
[03:33] <goofrider> kynes: it's on your hard drive possibly.. I know it's on mine (came with Xord)
[03:33] <neofeed> goofrider, hmm well will live with 'unauthorized' so long :)
[03:33] <daniels> Nermal: acpi is a minefield
[03:33] <eruin> anyone running beagle here?
[03:33] <Nermal> milouny, set them in /boot/grub/menu.lst on the kernel line
[03:33] <Nermal> or at boot time by hitting e on the line you want to boot
[03:33] <zxc> how can I open a file in root?
[03:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, true... aw shucks.
[03:33] <larsrohdin> Nermal, uuu bitchx was scary=) ill stick to x-chat... but can i get the entire window transparent?
[03:33] <tritium> morning, daniels
[03:33] <Nermal> daniels, yah.. a rapidly changing minefield and each manufacturer has different looking mines..
[03:33] <eruin> zxc: sudo gedit file
[03:33] <Nermal> and the linux developers are blind with 4 foot wide sticks
[03:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, can I make synaptic install it when I dclick?
[03:33] <goofrider> neofeed: please be VERY careful with adding unofficial repos
[03:34] <milouny> Nermal: I'll try it, thanks! Not having an internet connection is hard when solving these problems...
[03:34] <mindspin> or sudo vim /path/to/filename
[03:34] <daniels> Nermal: getting a lot better though
[03:34] <Nermal> larsrohdin, with xorg
[03:34] <daniels> tritium: morning dude
[03:34] <Nermal> and composite extensions
[03:34] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, I imagine so
[03:34] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ok... do you know if there is a good guide or something to that?
[03:34] <Nermal> it would entail some gconf hacking to tell nautilus what to do with .deb files
[03:35] <neofeed> goofrider, well I'm pretty good with linux :) So I think I know what I do when I do something... [maybe the idea to try breezy was a stupid one... but at least it was fun] 
[03:35] <daniels> larsrohdin: bear in mind that composite is frighteningly slow and reasonably unstable
[03:35] <Nermal> yah
[03:35] <larsrohdin> daniels, ok...
[03:35] <kynes> thanks for all the answers
[03:35] <kynes> gtg. bye
[03:35] <zxc> eruin, it's a setup file. It says I have to run it in root. I've cd to it's directory
[03:35] <zxc> gedit just brings up the script :/
[03:35] <mindspin> sudo gedti
[03:35] <mindspin> gedit
[03:36] <Nermal> zxc, chmod 755 it
[03:36] <Nermal> and then ./it
[03:36] <Nermal> or just sh <filename>
[03:36] <Nermal> to run it through sh
[03:36] <eruin> zxc: chmod +x setupfile, sudo ./setupfile
[03:37] <yogui> hi ! where can i found GD librairy please ?
[03:37] <Nermal> apt-get install gd
[03:37] <Nermal> or gd2
[03:37] <eruin> zxc: you did ask about how to open it, not how to run it ;)
[03:37] <mindspin> there is always another way to do it ;-)
[03:37] <Nermal> gah
[03:37] <yogui> nermal : thanx
[03:37] <kratz> Hi! I have some problems, The "make" commands dosent work... please help
[03:37] <Nermal> yogui, libgd2 sorry
[03:37] <tritium> kratz, install build-essential
[03:38] <Nermal> yogui, so sudo apt-get install libgd2
[03:38] <yogui> nermal : oki
[03:38] <yogui> nermal : it's working !
[03:38] <Nermal> :D
[03:38] <kratz> i ll search and try;)
[03:38] <tritium> kratz, i.e., "sudo aptitude (or apt-get) install build-essential"
[03:39] <eruin> argh. beagle only wants to index my im and email conversations ;)
[03:39] <Nermal> eruin, you mounted the partitions with user_xattr ?
[03:39] <yogui> must i restart apache ?
[03:39] <eruin> Nermal: ofcourse ;)
[03:39] <Nermal> I mean xattr :\
[03:39] <eruin> it's working fine, it just only indexes that
[03:39] <Nermal> eruin, it's schedules..
[03:39] <eruin> user_xattr is correct
[03:39] <Nermal> give it a few minutes
[03:39] <Nermal> it seems to run an index every 20 seconds or so here
[03:40] <goofrider> how's Beagle anyways?
[03:40] <Nermal> I also found clearing out ~/.beagle as a last resort when upgrading from a very old version helped
[03:40] <eruin> Nermal: I'm watching it right now in debug mode.. it only indexes im and email, not files... even though I've told it to index everything
[03:40] <Nermal> goofrider, getting there.. a bit hungry to run on my laptop
[03:40] <goofrider> on Hoary or Breezy?
[03:40] <Nermal> goofrider, it also finds stuff you thought you deleted a loooong time ago :)
[03:40] <goofrider> LMAO
[03:40] <Nermal> goofrider, I'm running breezy but there are debs for hoary :)
[03:40] <alexandre> i want to use webmin onto my server to configure samba, but i can't find samba into the page
[03:40] <alexandre> can u hel pme?
[03:41] <goofrider> Oh there's a backport now? Maybe I should try it... :)
[03:41] <Nermal> webmin installed and started and you're at https://localhost:10000 ?
[03:41] <yogui> alexandre : you must install module no ?
[03:41] <tim1> eruin: do you use the stock 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:41] <Nermal> goofrider, aye.. look on beaglewiki.org
[03:41] <goofrider> alex: did u install the samba module?
[03:41] <eruin> tim1: yeah, off breezy
[03:41] <larsrohdin> goofrider, so its not recommended or, should i give it a shot?
[03:41] <tim1> because beagle doesn't work at all for me
[03:42] <Nermal> alexandre, sudo apt-get install webmin-samba
[03:42] <priest_> which kernel is hoary using now?
[03:42] <Nermal> 2.6.10 I think
[03:42] <goofrider> 2.6.10
[03:42] <alexandre> great, thx
[03:42] <Nermal> :)
[03:42] <alexandre> where can i find a list of all modules ?
[03:42] <yogui> stupid question for newbi : how to restart apache ?
[03:42] <Nermal> alexandre, aptitude search webim
[03:42] <Nermal> um
[03:42] <mindspin> apachectl restart
[03:42] <goofrider> sudo apt-cache search webmin
[03:42] <tritium> yogui, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:42] <Nermal> aptitude search webmin-
[03:42] <tim1> eruin: do you have inotify enabled?
[03:43] <alexandre> thx
[03:43] <yogui> thx
[03:43] <Titan3025> hi
[03:43] <mindspin> or apache-perlctl restart
[03:43] <mindspin> depends
[03:43] <Nermal> tim1, that isn't essential as of 0.0.8 iirc
[03:43] <eruin> tim1: I honestly have no idea... beagle isn't complaining atleast
[03:43] <Nermal> lo Titan3025
[03:43] <Titan3025> ;-)
[03:43] <larsrohdin> Nermal, what do i need to download to use com. extensions?
[03:43] <Nermal> umm.. isn't that java ?
[03:43] <wdh> yogui, or, to do it the microsoft way, reboot your computer!
[03:43] <tim1> because i have it enabled and beagled is spitting out some inotify errors
[03:43] <Nermal> com. extensions /
[03:43] <Nermal> ?
[03:43] <yogui> lol
[03:44] <Nermal> tim1, about locks ?
[03:44] <larsrohdin> Nermal, composite extensions
[03:44] <yogui> so, i've installed GDlib but imagecreatefromjpeg() is undefined ... why ?
[03:44] <larsrohdin> composition extensions
[03:44] <Nermal> larsrohdin, nothing really
[03:44] <Titan3025> any1 else experiencing download probs on backport server?
[03:44] <tim1> Nermal:  Unhandled Exception: System.IO.IOException: Attempt to watch /home/tim/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers failed!
[03:44] <Nermal> there are a couple of utils to tweak it
[03:44] <Nermal> tim1, iirc thats a mono 1.0.5 issue
[03:44] <goofrider> backport is very flaky
[03:44] <Titan3025> :-(
[03:44] <Nermal> grab the newer mono debs from a repo..
[03:45] <larsrohdin> i tried xcompmgr and it said "No composite extension"
[03:45] <tim1> Nermal: I have 1.1.7, newest version
[03:45] <Titan3025> backports is impossible slow today :-( hope they fix it soon
[03:45] <Nermal> larsrohdin, you will need to enable it in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:45] <tim1> I'm using fa fully updated breezy
[03:45] <Nermal> I think you need Load "composite"
[03:45] <Nermal> in there, underneath all the others
[03:45] <Nermal> then restart x
[03:45] <Xappe> tritium: so, are you running breezy yet? I find it really hard to resist the part of my linux brain that want's to upgrade, but I guess i'll only find myself in a hell of breakage if i do :)
[03:46] <Titan3025> hehe
[03:46] <Nermal> if you want it fast and unstable (more so) and have an nvidia card, adding Option "RenderAccel" in the card identifier can help
[03:46] <goofrider> I'm waiting another 2 months at least
[03:46] <larsrohdin> Nermal, there is nothing about composite in my xorg.conf
[03:46] <Nermal> Xappe, I'm on breezy
[03:46] <Nermal> larsrohdin, add it
[03:46] <tritium> Xappe, no, I'm not, actually.  I'm likely going to setup a breezy chroot on an hoary installation.
[03:46] <Nermal> under the Load "glx" and all that stuff
[03:46] <Titan3025> what are you guys trying to do with the nvidia card???
[03:46] <larsrohdin> ok
[03:46] <Nermal> add a line with Load "composite"
[03:46] <Titan3025> perhaps i could help
[03:46] <Nermal> Titan3025, speed it up ;)
[03:47] <Titan3025> hehe
[03:47] <Nermal> Titan3025, nah.. he wants composite extensions and I think RenderAccel helps
[03:47] <Titan3025> kk
[03:47] <Nermal> though it can cause it to be even more unstabl
[03:47] <Titan3025> ;-9
[03:47] <cmbroth> Anyone know of a package repository with 'beagle' or should I install from src?
[03:47] <Nermal> think of composite extensions as a firework.  Very pretty, but likely to explode at any time
[03:47] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ok done... then what?
[03:47] <Titan3025> i have a nvidia tvout tutorial, where u can also find an example config which works quite well
[03:47] <Nermal> cmbroth, one sec
[03:48] <yogui>  i've installed GDlib but imagecreatefromjpeg() is undefined ... why ?
[03:48] <goofrider> http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[03:48] <Nermal> larsrohdin, try the xcompmgr again
[03:48] <Xappe> Nermal: so, how stable do you find it?
[03:48] <goofrider> I'm still reading it
[03:48] <larsrohdin> larsrohdin@ubuntu:~ $ xcompmgr
[03:48] <larsrohdin> No composite extension
[03:48] <cmbroth> Thanks
[03:48] <goofrider> LOL
[03:48] <eruin> beagle is in breezy
[03:48] <eruin> fyi
[03:48] <Nermal> cmbroth, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[03:48] <Nermal> larsrohdin, erm..
[03:48] <Nermal> odd
[03:48] <cmbroth> I run Hoary though.. off to RTFM
[03:48] <Nermal> Xappe, I don't use it
[03:49] <Nermal> cmbroth, that url is for hoary..
[03:49] <goofrider> those are instructions for Hoary
[03:49] <Titan3025> hey... talking about X.Org... does anyq know if there is a way to configure both input devices (touchpad,mouse) separatly? I want the mouse left handed? Is there a way?
[03:49] <Xappe> Nermal: you just said you were running breexy, right? how can you not use it then?
[03:49] <Nermal> Titan3025, add another pointer section to your xorg.conf
[03:49] <goofrider> but it doesn't help cuz I've been trying to get the new Mono packages from backport for 3 days
[03:49] <Nermal> Xappe, oops.. I thought you mean composite extensions
[03:49] <Xappe> Nermal: :)
[03:50] <Nermal> breezy is usuable for me atm.. nothing major died yet.. but then again, nothing huge has been upgraded that much
[03:50] <goofrider> Nermal: LOL
[03:50] <Nermal> some new gnome packages trickling in, but no major revisions yet
[03:50] <Titan3025> Nermal, a pointer section?
[03:50] <Xappe> Nermal: ok, so the total breakage is still to come :)
[03:50] <tritium> Xappe, you've seen the topic?
[03:51] <Nermal> Titan3025, yeah.. thats what mice and things are called in the xorg.conf
[03:51] <Nermal> so you would need two pointer sections
[03:51] <Xappe> tritium: of course
[03:51] <Nermal> Xappe, yah
[03:51] <Nermal> Xappe, and there is no big difference between hoary and breezy yet
[03:51] <Titan3025> Nermal, lol... yeah.. but my input devices are both in an InputDevice Section
[03:51] <Nermal> in terms of package versions
[03:51] <Nermal> Titan3025, hmm
[03:52] <Xappe> tritium, Nermal: I just want to make sure I won't upgrade :P
[03:52] <Titan3025> Nermal, can I specify in the InputDevice section of the mouse that it should be lefthande?
[03:52] <Nermal> Titan3025, umm.. no idea :|
[03:52] <Nermal> is there an x.org channel ?  :)
[03:52] <goofrider> isn't there an option in the mouse control panel to do just that
[03:52] <goofrider> ?
[03:52] <Titan3025> lets see
[03:52] <Nermal> probably.. but that would be too easy
[03:52] <goofrider> it's there
[03:52] <goofrider> LOL
[03:53] <zoddan^wlan> Hi
[03:53] <Nermal> "you must be right handed to click this option" Damn! :)
[03:53] <Nermal> lo zoddan
[03:53] <goofrider> use your keyboard
[03:53] <cyphase> wow, i think i just heard a recommendation for linux on the radio
[03:53] <goofrider> LOL
[03:53] <goofrider> or touchscreen
[03:53] <Nermal> yah
[03:53] <Titan3025> lol
[03:53] <Titan3025> ok.. but the gnome mouse properties only configure the first input device..
[03:53] <Nermal> hum.. 2 hours to go
[03:54] <Nermal> Titan3025, yah :|
[03:54] <goofrider> now thats a valid concern
[03:54] <Nermal> but you should be able to see what it puts in your xorg.conf
[03:54] <Titan3025> but ok.. then i should configure the mouse as first input device and the touchpad as second
[03:54] <larsrohdin> Nermal, out of ideas?
[03:54] <TMM> hi all!
[03:54] <cyphase> hey TMM
[03:54] <Nermal> larsrohdin, erm.. yah
[03:54] <larsrohdin> =)
[03:54] <Titan3025> hope touchpad still works in x.org when no mouse is plugged in ;-)
[03:54] <Nermal> larsrohdin, read the howtos ?
[03:55] <TMM> is there any way to use mtools instead of the normal vfat driver of linux to access usb sticks?
[03:55] <larsrohdin> ok
[03:55] <Nermal> should do
[03:55] <TMM> there's a bug somewhere in the vfat code that makes a couple of usb-storage devices go nuts (not so with mtools)
[03:55] <Nermal> larsrohdin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13711&postcount=10
[03:55] <zoddan^wlan> first time i try ubuntu :)
[03:56] <Nermal> zoddan^wlan, you like ? :)
[03:56] <zoddan^wlan> http://zoddan.mine.nu/dump.png what do you think ?
[03:56] <xMaximex> you'll like it !
[03:56] <Titan3025> Nermal, i will try that... when mouse is first input device i can use gnomes mouse control panel to configure it lefthanded and the touchpad wont be touched
[03:56] <Nermal> mmmm.. lining up smilies
[03:56] <goofrider> but isn't mtools designed to access FAT drives WITHOUT mounting them???
[03:56] <zoddan^wlan> taking a new screenshot soon
[03:57] <larsrohdin> Nermal, can it have something to do with my ati-drivers?
[03:57] <zoddan^wlan> with gkrellm and stuff
[03:57] <Nermal> zoddan^wlan, better than my gentoo screenie: http://nermal.org/misc/wtf.png
[03:57] <zoddan^wlan> ok
[03:57] <Nermal> hours of installing and I get a bloody turtle in a kernel oops
[03:57] <StarMkeSE> Hi! I need support how I can access internet via Ubuntu.
[03:57] <Titan3025> Nermal, if there is a way in x.org to configure both devices separatly (which i dont know if it is possible at all) i hope that the gnome mouse control panel will have a separate panel for each input device
[03:57] <larsrohdin> i just saw that i have xorg-driver-fglrx and not fglrx-driver...
[03:57] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, more information needed
[03:58] <Nermal> larsrohdin, try the url I gave you.. I don't think the ati drivers matter
[03:58] <cyphase> StarMkeSE, what kind of connection do you have?
[03:58] <StarMkeSE> I ge ip automacticly via dhcp but I have no dhcp-address to add.
[03:58] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, if you are using dhcp it should just work
[03:58] <drcodedd2> any one know where I can find nice games for linux?
[03:59] <Nermal> linuxgames.org ?
[03:59] <goofrider> did u get an IP via DHCP succesfully?
[03:59] <StarMkeSE> it doesn't work :(
[03:59] <drcodedd2> 3d and so like 3d shooter and smaller games?
[03:59] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, network connection, adsl, cable >
[03:59] <goofrider> I had lots of problems with DHCP that I had to use static Ip sintead
[03:59] <StarMkeSE> I can get in i windows but not in ubuntu
[03:59] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, not helpful :A
[03:59] <Nermal> what connection is it ?
[03:59] <goofrider> assign it a static IP see if that works
[04:00] <StarMkeSE> I have ADSL with direct connection to internet
[04:00] <goofrider> how is the ADSL modem connected to your box?
[04:01] <goofrider> ethernet? USB?
[04:01] <StarMkeSE> through ethernet
[04:01] <drcodedd2> any one know where I can find nice games for linux?
[04:01] <StarMkeSE> Ubuntu finds my ethernet-card
[04:01] <goofrider> and is the modem NAT?
[04:01] <Memcmeme> Which is better, Warty or Hoary?
[04:01] <StarMkeSE> NAT?
[04:01] <Seveas> drcodedd2, search for 'game' in synaptic :)
[04:01] <tritium> Memcmeme, Hoary is the more recent stable release
[04:01] <cyphase> lol, i just cut the dynamic firefox counter script in half by removing comments
[04:01] <goofrider> well.. look @ your windows box as see what IP u get
[04:02] <drcodedd2> also I love 3d shooter games
[04:02] <drcodedd2> there is some for linux ?
[04:02] <StarMkeSE> 81.226.141.250
[04:02] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, does ifconfig say you have an ip address ?
[04:02] <drcodedd2> not by wine?
[04:02] <StarMkeSE> In windows yes
[04:02] <Memcmeme> drcodedd2 yes
[04:02] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, there is no ifconfig in windows
[04:02] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ok something definately happens... my desktop crashes every time i try xcompmgr...
[04:02] <drcodedd2> and in linux
[04:02] <Memcmeme> There is Unreal 2004 and Doom 3 that run natively on Linux
[04:02] <Nermal> ignore windows
[04:02] <goofrider> there's ipconfig in windows
[04:02] <Di42lo> Can i compile the lastest kernel without any binaries or patchs ?
[04:02] <Nermal> I know
[04:02] <Nermal> there is no ifconfig in windows
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[04:03] <StarMkeSE> Okej...
[04:03] <goofrider> LOL
[04:03] <Nermal> ignore windows.. this is linux..  so just see what ifconfig says in linux
[04:03] <StarMkeSE> I'm totaly new in linux
[04:03] <drcodedd2> I mean is there pure 3d shooter games for linux ?
[04:03] <goofrider> that doesn't sound like a private IP on your Windows box
[04:03] <StarMkeSE> If I need to check Linux, I have to reboot my computer
[04:03] <Nermal> its like saying "driving on the right works fine in the US", while hurtling down a road in the UK
[04:03] <mvirkkil> Got my Ubuntu CD:s today :)
[04:03] <larsrohdin> goofrider, you are right... this sucks... lags all the time..
[04:03] <petemc> heh
[04:03] <goofrider> Nermal: I'm asking him that cuz maybe his windows box is connect via PPPoE
[04:03] <Nermal> ah :)
[04:04] <Nermal> wouldn't ppoe get loaded automatically in ubuntu ?
[04:04] <Nermal> I wonder if it's a nameserver problem
[04:04] <goofrider> so u think he has PPPoE?
[04:04] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, try to ping an IP in linux as well as domain names
[04:04] <goofrider> cuz it sounds like it
[04:04] <Xappe> StarMkeSE: nice with just another swede around here :)
[04:04] <Em> is there a utf-8 migration tool ?  my friend wants to set his system to use utf-8 by default.
[04:04] <StarMkeSE> But i checked in ipconfig in windows what's the address of the DHCP is and I'll try to type it
[04:04] <larsrohdin> im swedish!
[04:04] <Di42lo> Can i compile the newest kernel without any binaries or patchs of ubuntu ??
[04:04] <StarMkeSE> Hej Lars
[04:05] <larsrohdin> Hej=)
[04:05] <Xappe> hej
[04:05] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, there is no address for DHCP.. the computer will simply ask anyone for an IP
[04:05] <Xappe> ;)
[04:05] <Nermal> ie: a broadcast request
[04:05] <larsrohdin> Nermal, is there nothing i can do to make it work without all the lag?
[04:05] <Nermal> so you won't have to type in any IPs if you use dhcp
[04:05] <StarMkeSE> hmmm... It doesn't find the dhcp ..nor during the installation
[04:05] <Nermal> larsrohdin, I dunno matey.. I tried it for 15 minutes before I got utterly bored and realised I couldn't see a bloody thing
[04:05] <goofrider> lars: what's lagging?
[04:05] <Nermal> composite :|
[04:06] <larsrohdin> the composite things...
[04:06] <goofrider> oh... of course it's slow
[04:06] <goofrider> LOL
[04:06] <Nermal> it makes you appreciate the graphics being drawn more :)
[04:06] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i didn't think it would be THAT slow...
[04:06] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin Linux hittar ingen dhcp, jag har ntverkskortets interna ip men inte mer n s
[04:06] <larsrohdin> its like, 233 mhz and 8mb gfx all over agina her...
[04:06] <Nermal> "ooh.. and these beautiful antialiased fonts just etched into the soft suble white background, like snow.."
[04:06] <goofrider> I tried alpha transparency in win2k/xp nd it was unbearable
[04:06] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, va?
[04:06] <Nermal> yeah :/
[04:07] <Nermal> like a blonde :) good to look at, but very slow ;)
[04:07] <goofrider> I'm just saying compiste is a HUGE overhead
[04:07] <larsrohdin> Nermal, lol
[04:07] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin jag frsker komma ut p ntet, Linux klagar ver att det inte finns ngon dhcp. Jag kollade i instllningarna och den enda ip jag har 127.0.0.1
[04:07] <Nermal> goofrider, it was a little slow on my geforce2, but usuable
[04:07] <Nermal> it just didn't make it any more usuable in terms of productivity
[04:08] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, anvnder du gnome?
[04:08] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin Ubuntu
[04:08] <goofrider> does compmgr use the graphica card acceleration?
[04:09] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, ja men anvnder du gnome som fnsterhanterare?
[04:09] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin ja det tror jag :/
[04:09] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, ok... vnta
[04:09] <Xappe> StarMkeSE larsrohdin : svenska i #ubuntu.se om man ska hlla sig till reglerna
[04:09] <Nermal> goofrider, noo.. Option "RenderAccel" helps nvidia cards, but not ATI iirc
[04:09] <yogui> must i recompil php after Gd install ??
[04:09] <goofrider> re: PPPoE. It doesn't just work automatically. Someone have to enter a valid userid/pwd for the PPPoE link
[04:09] <Nermal> yogui, nope :)
[04:10] <yogui> nermal : but it doesn't work
[04:10] <goofrider> and it won't work if the Windows box is already connected on PPPoE
[04:10] <Nermal> yogui, sudo apt-get install php4-gd2
[04:10] <Nermal> :)
[04:10] <Nermal> is the php bit
[04:10] <yogui> oki
[04:10] <goofrider> star: did u get your DHCP problem figure out?
[04:10] <goofrider> I think php4-gd is actually more current
[04:10] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, g in i gnome-network-preferences
[04:10] <Nermal> goofrider, ooh
[04:10] <StarMkeSE> Maybe... I'll check it out
[04:11] <goofrider> php4-gd uses GD2
[04:11] <Nermal> ah
[04:11] <goofrider> php4-gd2 is the OLD module when php4-gd uses the plain libgd
[04:11] <Nermal> ah
[04:11] <larsrohdin> * how to do that litte star thing
[04:11] <larsrohdin> me too me too
[04:11] <petemc>  /me
[04:11] <yogui> so php4-gd is better ?
[04:11] <Seveas> php4-gd2 isn;t a package
[04:11] <Seveas> it's a virtual package provided by php4-gd
[04:12] <goofrider> use php4-gd
[04:12] <yogui> ok
[04:12] <larsrohdin> aha!
[04:12] <goofrider> but letmme doublecheck
[04:12] <Seveas> so both are equally good, they will both install php4-gd
[04:12] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, figured it out yet?
[04:12] <goofrider> php4-gd2 doesn't even exist in Ubntu
[04:12] <Seveas> it does
[04:12] <Seveas> as virtual package
[04:12] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin I need to rebbot my computer first
[04:13] <yogui> and after installtion, i restart apache ?
[04:13] <larsrohdin> ok, ses
[04:13] <Nermal> yogui, nope :)
[04:13] <Nermal> the php interpreter gets run every time you request a php page
[04:13] <Nermal> so you should just have to reload the page
[04:13] <goofrider> i don't see it... I only have the Debian Stable package og php4-gd2 listed (yes I'm a dangerous man)
[04:14] <yogui> nermal : it doesn't work
[04:14] <yogui> .....
[04:14] <yogui> :-(
[04:14] <Nermal> humpf
[04:14] <goofrider> php4-gd does use libgd2 though. I checked
[04:14] <tritium> goofrider, yes, you are, using backports and all ;)
[04:14] <Nermal> yogui, you installed php through apt yes ?
[04:14] <Seveas> goofrider, check apt-cache show php4-gd
[04:14] <yogui> yes
[04:14] <Nermal> hum
[04:14] <Seveas> it provides php4-gd2 as virtial package
[04:14] <Nermal> that should work :|
[04:14] <yogui> i try to reinstall php4 ?
[04:14] <goofrider> Seveas: but php4-gd2 is a REAL package in Debian
[04:15] <Nermal> yogui, I doubt that will help
[04:15] <Seveas> well, Ubuntu != debian :)
[04:15] <goofrider> the Provides: line was refering to the REAL package it replaces
[04:15] <Nermal> yogui, apache is parsing php stuff ok yes ?
[04:15] <Nermal> its just dying on gd stuff ?
[04:15] <yogui> yes
[04:15] <Nermal> hmmm
[04:15] <Nermal> what's the actual error ?
[04:16] <goofrider> yogui: did u add the requires lines in the php.ini files?
[04:16] <Nermal> I didn't think you needed to
[04:16] <yogui> no, i don't write anything on php.ini
[04:16] <goofrider> well debconf would have done it for u
[04:16] <goofrider> and u'll have to restart apache if u use modphp
[04:16] <yogui> the error is with imagecreatefromjpeg()
[04:17] <zoddan^wlan> http://zoddan.mine.nu/ubuntu.png what do you think now ?
[04:17] <Nermal> very nice.. though I prefer gdesklets ;)
[04:17] <goofrider> admn i;m hungry
[04:18] <goofrider> I can't type when i'm hungry
[04:18] <goofrider> LOL
[04:18] <Nermal> zoddan^wlan, http://nermal.org/gallery/albums/5/54.jpg  for example
[04:18] <Nermal> though thats reasonably old now :|
[04:18] <zoddan^wlan> ok
[04:19] <priest> is there a netinstall to hoary?
[04:19] <Nermal> and psi displays / sensors don't like the new gdesklets
[04:20] <goofrider> priest: unnfornutaely there isn't
[04:20] <Xappe> Nermal: is that the GNANT icon theme?
[04:20] <Nermal> Xappe, gant icons yes.. not an actual theme as such
[04:21] <Xappe> Nermal: ok
[04:21] <Nermal> gah.. I have to do battle with a windows machine :(
[04:21] <njassa> someone who now how to get soundsticks too work in ubuntu?
[04:21] <spidna> hi guys how do i get and  install xmms
[04:22] <goofrider> Nermel: burn it burn it
[04:22] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:22] <yogui> if i make a phpinfo, i must have GD lines ?
[04:22] <jamesio> morning
[04:22] <spidna> Nermal that does not work for me
[04:22] <goldfish_> spidna: apt-get install xmms
[04:22] <goofrider> yogui. Phpinfo should tell u if GD is enabled
[04:22] <Nermal> spidna, you on 64 bit ?
[04:22] <goofrider> if not, the php.ini lines are missing
[04:22] <yogui> ok so it isn't
[04:23] <goofrider> Debconf possibly only added the lines to php-cli and php-cgi but not mod-php4
[04:23] <goldfish_> zoddan^wlan: what irssi theme is that, a custom one?
[04:23] <goofrider> just add it manually
[04:23] <reD_Rum> how do i enable dma acceleration for my cdrom drive  (/dev/hdc) ?
[04:23] <spidna> i'm getting xmms has no installation candidate
[04:24] <Nermal> reD_Rum, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/<cddevice>
[04:24] <goofrider> how do u know DMA is not enabled?
[04:24] <Nermal> so hdc in this case
[04:24] <goofrider> just wondering.. since a lot of ppl asked about DMA
[04:24] <Nermal> goofrider, it's not on cdrom drives for some reason
[04:24] <tritium> goofrider, hdparm will tell you
[04:24] <reD_Rum> Nermal: thanks
[04:24] <yogui> i try to add the line
[04:24] <Nermal> reD_Rum, I'm not sure how to make that permenant the ubuntu way :|
[04:25] <reD_Rum> Nermal: I'll just add it to a start up script
[04:25] <jamesio> anyone know the commandline to untar/gzip many files at one time?
[04:25] <Fator_Dee> can't you just edit the /etc/hdparm.conf?
[04:25] <reD_Rum> jamesio: just use the wildcard (*)
[04:25] <Nermal> tar xzvf <filename>
[04:25] <goofrider> kewl thanks Nermal
[04:25] <goldfish_> Fator_Dee: u can
[04:26] <Nermal> so filename could be *.tar.gz / etc
[04:26] <njassa> is it someone who now how to get soundsticks too work in ubuntu?
[04:26] <jamesio> ah... I put "tar -xzvf *.gz"  I guess the "-" was the bug
[04:26] <goofrider> soundsticks?
[04:27] <Nermal> jamesh, both should work
[04:27] <Nermal> are you sure they are all tar.gz files not some .gz files
[04:27] <Zindar> jamesio: no.. that will not work
[04:27] <Zindar> jamesio: the first argument is the file to unpack... the next are the files within that you want to unpack
[04:27] <Zindar> so you cannot go "tar xzvf *tar.gz"
[04:28] <Zindar> it will not work
[04:28] <Zindar> you have to do "for f in *.tar.gz; do tar xzvf $f; done
[04:28] <Zindar> that works
[04:28] <Nermal> ah
[04:28] <jamesio> thanks
[04:28] <Nermal> good old bash :)
[04:28] <jamesio> you're the man
[04:28] <Zindar> yes :)
[04:28] <jamesio> reminds me of dos too
[04:29] <jamesio> I downloaded the gkrellm2 theme pack and it had 197 tar.gz files
[04:29] <goldfish_> lol
[04:29] <goldfish_> yeah :)
[04:29] <jamesio> and it seems it wants them unpacked into their own dirs
[04:29] <goldfish_> it's annoying
[04:29] <goldfish_> just use that for loop
[04:29] <Zindar> jamesio: all well behaved tar-files unpack themselves with own dirs :)
[04:29] <Nermal> yah
[04:29] <Nermal> there is a tar option to probably ignore it
[04:29] <jamesio> ok... now... here's the next job....  got an easy way to partition a lot of drives with just simple ext3 and all the space on the drive?
[04:30] <jamesio> I have 13 hard drives on my machine, but using gparted takes way too long
[04:30] <Nermal> jamesh, hmm.. fdisk ? :)
[04:30] <jamesio> (before anyone asks, I'm staying away from raid)
[04:30] <goofrider> don't use fdisk
[04:30] <goofrider> use sfdisk or parted
[04:30] <Nermal> sfdisk ? :|
[04:30] <jamesio> ok...  I'll pull up their docs
[04:30] <goofrider> even fdisk's man page recommend again fdisk
[04:31] <goofrider> LOL
[04:31] <jamesio> thanks.  I'll look them up and see how I could script it
[04:31] <Nermal> :)
[04:31] <jamesio> it takes about a minute or so for a 300 gig drive to partition and format
[04:32] <jamesio> ok, people really made some freaky ass themes for gkrellm2
[04:35] <chrissturm> how can i rescue as much data as possible from a hdd that has read errors?
[04:35] <reD_Rum> if i wanna add DMA acceleration by default i add "/dev/hdc { dma = on }" to hdparm.conf?
[04:35] <goofrider> chrissturm: depends on what errors.
[04:35] <goofrider> and what file system
[04:35] <chrissturm> its ext3
[04:35] <jamesio> chrissturm, if it's really bad I suggest you invest in spinrite 6
[04:35] <REdz> u need to debug it and ge the specific error
[04:35] <REdz> different errors vary and mean alot of diff thing
[04:35] <goofrider> SpinRite is gr8
[04:36] <chrissturm> and the kernel says something like unrecoverablereaderror
[04:36] <jamesio> spinrite is the best
[04:36] <chrissturm> isnt spinrite just fat?
[04:36] <jamesio> it *will* recover the data
[04:36] <jamesio> nomasteryoda, it does ext2 and ext3 now
[04:36] <jamesio> version 6
[04:36] <chrissturm> kewl
[04:36] <tritium> chrissturm, what filesystem were you using, out of curiosity?
[04:36] <chrissturm> ext3
[04:36] <krat3r> i'm having a problem... the terminal doesn't recongnize any cmd it always appear this "bash: <cmd>: command not found"
[04:37] <goofrider> spinrite works @ the sector level
[04:37] <jamesio> but it also recognizes and will work with partitions
[04:38] <krat3r> goofrider, can you help me?
[04:38] <jamesio> true, the recovery is at the sector level, but it will let you work on just a partition
[04:38] <goofrider> why me/??
[04:38] <goofrider> LOL
[04:38] <goldfish_> lol
[04:38] <goldfish_> krat3r: what command are you running?
[04:39] <goofrider> i'm just saying that it trys to read each sector and mvoe it to another good sector
[04:39] <krat3r> each one i run, for example "ls" or "./configure"
[04:39] <goldfish_> oh dear
[04:39] <goldfish_> ls is not found?
[04:39] <goofrider> krater: sounds like a bad PATH
[04:39] <krat3r> yeah
[04:39] <REdz> get another hard drive and use dd
[04:39] <REdz> and dd the whole lot to the newer disk
[04:39] <goofrider> or u mounted some random partition as /
[04:39] <Nermal> krat3r, you are just typing ls
[04:40] <Nermal> no quotes, nothing /
[04:40] <krat3r> yeah
[04:40] <Nermal> erm
[04:40] <Nermal> what does export |grep PATH say ?
[04:40] <krat3r> with the bar ??
[04:40] <Nermal> yah
[04:40] <krat3r> | ??
[04:41] <Nermal> YAH
[04:41] <krat3r> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
[04:41] <Nermal> mit das bar
[04:41] <Nermal> ummm
[04:41] <goofrider> or just "echo $PATH"
[04:41] <goldfish_> lol
[04:41] <goofrider> what???
[04:41] <Nermal> :)
[04:42] <Nermal> eep
[04:42] <Fator_Dee> hey, how could I find out all those $PATH and other $-thingys there are on my system?
[04:42] <tritium> env
[04:42] <Nermal> ooh
[04:42] <Fator_Dee> oo, thanks
[04:42] <Nermal> is env different to export
[04:43] <Nermal> ah yes.. it seems to be :|
[04:43] <goofrider> how is env gonna work if ls doesn't work?
[04:43] <krat3r> echo $PATH - results in " /home/enzo/mono1.1.4/bin "... there's something wrong here
[04:43] <krat3r> that's not my username
[04:43] <goofrider> I though ls is a bash built in as well as cmd
[04:43] <goofrider> kra: is that the full path?
[04:43] <Nermal> krat3r, I think you've / or a script has done export PATH=/path/to/somewhere  not export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/somewhere
[04:44] <Nermal> thus replacing the path not appending it
[04:44] <Nermal> have you edited ~/.profile or .bashrc ?
[04:45] <krat3r> .bashrc ... i was trying to install mono with monodevelop
[04:45] <Nermal> in which case.. make sure you are doing export PATH=$PATH:/extra/path/here not just export PATH=/extra/path/here
[04:45] <Nermal> krat3r, ahh
[04:45] <Nermal> erm... k...
[04:45] <Nermal> what editor did you use ?
[04:45] <krat3r> gedit
[04:45] <krat3r> through the cmd line
[04:45] <Nermal> ah
[04:46] <Nermal> well do /usr/bin/gedit ~/.bashrc
[04:46] <Nermal> and edit it again..
[04:46] <goofrider> krat3r: but who's enzo?
[04:46] <Nermal> or show us the line you added
[04:46] <goofrider> why did mono install to someone else's path?
[04:47] <mmichelli> i need "modprobe snd-seq " to run automatically, what the best way?
[04:47] <digitus> where do i find the config file of gedit? (i can't find a .gedit in my home dir) i need my customized python highlighting
[04:47] <Nermal> erm.. it didn't it looks like he's installed it manually to his home dir
[04:47] <krat3r> there's more than one
[04:47] <goofrider> kra: u said it wasn't your username
[04:47] <Nermal> digitus, gconf-editor
[04:47] <krat3r> Nermal, there's more that one line
[04:47] <Nermal> goofrider, unless he copied the howto exactly :|
[04:47] <krat3r> i've done it through cmd line
[04:47] <goofrider> Nermal: Doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:47] <Nermal> krat3r, the export PATH line is the one you want
[04:48] <Nermal> and mono is in apt as is monodevelop
[04:48] <Nermal> so you shouldn't need to do all this
[04:48] <Nermal> best thing is to delete the lines you added, save the file and start over using apt
[04:48] <krat3r> Nermal, but with the version in the apt-get the monodevelop doesn't compile or build
[04:48] <Nermal> krat3r, sudo apt-get install monodevelop ?
[04:49] <krat3r> yeah
[04:49] <Nermal> that's already built
[04:49] <Nermal> that should just work(tm)
[04:49] <mp3j> why does ubntu live cd trying to install itself when i run it?
[04:50] <krat3r> but with that version the icons in the monodevelop doesn't work, or the commands to compile or build the source
[04:50] <Nermal> erm because you've download the wrong cd
[04:50] <krat3r> do you get it?
[04:50] <Nermal> downloaded*
[04:50] <goofrider> mp3j: Ubuntu Live doesn't install itself. The live installer just need to detect some hardware
[04:50] <Nermal> krat3r, umm.. I imagine you can get a newer version .. one sec
[04:50] <mp3j> oh ok
[04:51] <mp3j> i was afraid it was trying to install itself
[04:51] <goofrider> but if it ask u to partition your drive, then it;s the wrong CD
[04:51] <goofrider> LOL
[04:51] <mp3j> no iit didnt asked that yet
[04:51] <Nermal> krat3r, mono 1.1.6 is in backports
[04:51] <digitus> Nermal, i cant find a file named "gconf-editor"
[04:52] <mp3j> it says theres is a problem trying to read from my cd rom is this a bug?
[04:52] <mp3j> my cd rom is running fine
[04:52] <mocker> hmm
[04:52] <goofrider> mp3j: nah, just bad CD
[04:52] <krat3r> yes, i've alreay installed mono 1.1.6 and monodevelop 0.5.1, and that's when the problems happened
[04:52] <mocker> Shouldn't my root password be the same one as my sudo one?
[04:52] <mp3j> i just burn this image
[04:52] <goofrider> there's no root password
[04:52] <mp3j> using k3b
[04:53] <mocker> what do you do when it asks you for the root password then?
[04:53] <mp3j> lemme changee to my other dvd drive
[04:53] <goofrider> mp3j: an it can still be a bad burn.
[04:53] <goldfish_> mocker: enter ur sudo one.
[04:53] <Nermal> digitus, it's a command
[04:53] <Nermal> gnome uses an xml config file format
[04:53] <elcu> mocker: when does it ask for your root pswd?
[04:53] <digitus> oops ok :>
[04:53] <mp3j> uhh
[04:54] <Nermal> krat3r, hmm.. I can see how to get mono 1.1.6 but not a new monodevelop :|
[04:54] <mp3j> corrupt image
[04:54] <mp3j> hmm
[04:54] <goofrider> Nermal: check the Mono for Deiban project packge
[04:54] <goofrider> they have a newer Monodevelop as well I believe
[04:54] <Nermal> goofrider, ah.. it's for krat3r :)
[04:54] <goofrider> right right
[04:55] <goldfish_> hello Echylo
[04:55] <mp3j> how big should be 5.04 live 386?
[04:55] <Echylo> heey :)
[04:55] <mp3j> 200 and something?
[04:55] <Nermal> mp3j, try 600
[04:55] <Echylo> 500?
[04:55] <goofrider> 600 something
[04:55] <mp3j> shit
[04:55] <Nermal> :)
[04:55] <mp3j> thanks
[04:55] <Nermal> what did you download it with ?
[04:55] <goofrider> np
[04:55] <mp3j> lemme get it again
[04:55] <Nermal> wget ? firefox ?
[04:55] <goofrider> LMAO
[04:55] <mp3j> mozilla
[04:55] <Echylo> wait let me check I got it on my pc
[04:55] <Nermal> hmm.. ok :)
[04:55] <goofrider> use BitTorrent
[04:56] <goofrider> for the love of god and bandwidth
[04:56] <Echylo> I downloaded it with torrent
[04:56] <Echylo> at 350 kbs
[04:56] <Echylo> my max
[04:56] <mp3j> i got my image 586
[04:56] <Echylo> its 624.9MB ;)
[04:56] <goofrider> and it hashes the file, so there's no chance it'll be corrupted or incomplete
[04:56] <goofrider> :)
[04:57] <mp3j> how come it did not burn right md5 check sum on k3b said it was ok
[04:57] <Echylo> ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso = > 624.9MB
[04:59] <cyphase> *happy sigh* i can't wait until Breezy comes out
[04:59] <jamesio> just had an interesting thing show up.  I partitioned an external usb2 300 gig drive using gparted, but sfdisk says that the partition is the wrong size and should be recreated
[04:59] <cyphase> if they can get all the features on the Brezzy goals list...
[04:59] <cyphase> wow
[05:00] <mp3j> ok im downloading again
[05:00] <alexandre> re
[05:00] <alexandre> is there a way to change the "gnome splash screen", where there is ubuntu written (after login into gdm)
[05:00] <goofrider> jamesio: I don't know what I can tell u. Parted, sfdisk, and fdisk like to disagree a lot
[05:01] <elcu> alexandre: system->admin->login
[05:01] <Nermal> cyphase, url ?
[05:01] <jamesio> goofrider, that's funny.  so, which is the "most stable" of programs?
[05:01] <goofrider> fdisk should be the least trusted. between sfdisk and parted, I don't know. It's been case by case basis for me
[05:02] <alexandre> elcu no, not this one
[05:02] <goofrider> I tend to use GUI apps (PartitionMagic and Acronis) and they like to disagree sometimes as well
[05:02] <elcu> alexandre: ah, you mean that little banner?
[05:02] <alexandre> yep
[05:02] <jamesio> goofrider, you don't happen to know how to tell sfdisk to use "all of the disk", do you?  the --help doesn't show anything like it
[05:02] <goofrider> your best shot is dump the art table from but parted and sfdisk and compare them to what u KNOW is the correct spec
[05:03] <jamesio> goofrider, I have too many disks to sit down and figure out their sizes...
[05:03] <elcu> alexandre: no idea. sorry. /join #gnome perhaps
[05:03] <goofrider> jamesio: I don't think sfdisk has such feature. It seems to REQUIRES start/end params
[05:03] <jamesio> goofrider, that's even funnier... I have no idea what the specs are supposed to be for all of the drives.  I've blown away my windows server and am starting fresh in ubuntu
[05:04] <reD_Rum> when i'm playing something with xmms (i've tried both ALSA and OSS), if i open another application, sound on it will not work. How can I have sound working both on multiple applications at once?
[05:04] <goofrider> jamesio: I know it kinda sucks. But I think your best shot is first figure out if the sfidk warning is anything to worry about and if parted did the right job
[05:04] <jamesio> goofrider, put yourself in my shoes... I have 14 hard drives (7 internal, 7 external usb2) ranging in size from 80 gig to 300 gig
[05:04] <goofrider> cuz if it does, u can use just parted as is
[05:04] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: You must use the eSounD output in XMMS.
[05:05] <sp> Hi. I installed ubuntu hoary from the CD just. How do i change my screen resolution? my monitor does 1280, but the currently X is at 1024
[05:05] <reD_Rum> paulproteus: it doesn't work
[05:05] <paulproteus> But you should prefer Beep Media Player to XMMS.  BMP is a drop-in replacement that uses a modern UI toolkit, unlike XMMS.
[05:05] <elcu> jamesio: that's a lot of porn. ;-)
[05:05] <jamesio> goofrider, and I want to partition each as a separate drive...  (just how I do things for safety sakes)
[05:05] <jamesio> hahahahhaa
[05:05] <goofrider> james: I know you pain. I had to manage 5-7 partitions on 2 drives and I'm about to explode sometimes
[05:05] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: What exactly doesn't work?
[05:05] <paulproteus> The esd output?
[05:05] <jamesio> funny thing, I have 0 porn on any of mymachine
[05:05] <paulproteus> Or Beep media player?
[05:05] <jamesio> eruin, my machines
[05:06] <reD_Rum> paulproteus: If i try using esound, then it gives me an error saying couldn't open audio
[05:06] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: What desktop?  KDE or GNOME?
[05:06] <jamesio> I did have 100's of dvds that I ripped from my collection for a media player, but one crash caused me to drop windows like a bad gf
[05:06] <reD_Rum> paulproteus: GNOME
[05:06] <jamesio> howdy thor
[05:07] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: It's very strange that esd wouldn't work, then.  It could have to do with you trying the other output schemes first.
[05:07] <sp> Can someone help? I want to increase resolution from 1024 to 1280
[05:07] <thoreauputic> hi jamesio
[05:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:07] <jamesio> goofrider, I think I'm going with gparted... even though I bitched that it's slow, it does at least allow me "ease of use"
[05:08] <elcu> reD_Rum: i'd recommending searching ubuntuforums.org first.  or you could take a look at: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly i have no idea what that does though.
[05:08] <jamesio> goofrider, and it seems to work... just wish there were an easy way to auto add any new partitions to /etc/fstab
[05:08] <goofrider> james: can u use the sfdisk -s option to get each hdd's size, then pass it to sfidsk again to partition it?
[05:08] <alexandre> is there a tool to manually edit gnome menu?
[05:08] <elcu> alexandre: vim?
[05:08] <cyphase> does anyone know of a good BIND config tool?
[05:08] <sig> alexandre: yes
[05:09] <elcu> alexandre: sudo gedit /boot/grub/,menu.lst
[05:09] <goofrider> james: gparted use the parted library, so u'll still have the same error from sfdisk
[05:09] <elcu> s/,menu.lst/menu.lst
[05:09] <sig> alexandre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[05:09] <thoreauputic> elcu: er..no
[05:09] <sig> elcu: dude "gnome menu"
[05:09] <sig> not the boot menu
[05:09] <sig> hah
[05:09] <sp> sig, can you help me a bit?
[05:09] <elcu> thoreauputic: ah, whoops. :-) i think i need some sleep
[05:09] <jamesio> hehehehe... total blocks: 31,228,119,988
[05:09] <sig> sp with what
[05:10] <goofrider> I'm not a huge fan of sfdisk interface, but the parition tables it generate seems to be best quality
[05:10] <jamesio> oops
[05:10] <thoreauputic> elcu: :)
[05:10] <sp> sig, i just installed 5.04 and want to incrase screen resolution from 1024 to 1280... how do i do it?
[05:10] <jamesio> total blocks: 3,122,819,988
[05:10] <g0dot> can I change the default size of the terminal window?
[05:10] <medication> has anyone addressed the install issue of stalling at 25% during  "Configuring apt..." ?
[05:10] <medication> see this thread as a reference: http://tinyurl.com/dkt46
[05:11] <sig> sp ok: System > Preference > Screen Resolution
[05:11] <sig> change it there
[05:11] <sp> sig, that does'nt show 1280 :( but my screen does 1280
[05:12] <cyphase> does anyone know of a good BIND config tool?
[05:12] <goofrider> jamesio: sorry if I can't be more helpful. Partitiong is something I've been struggling with
[05:12] <sig> sp ok open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look at the very bottom, you'll see screen resolutions, is 1280x1024 in there?
[05:12] <sp> wait.
[05:12] <jamesio> goofrider, nah... you have been helpful.  you've shown to me that it's "not just me"
[05:13] <Nermal> cyphase, webmin ?
[05:13] <cmg_> i have a list that I need to convert every element in.  Is it better to use list comprehensions, or to use map or filter along with a lambda function?
[05:13] <goofrider> I gurantee u fdisk sucks though. Fdisk wrote a part table with oartitions that ended outside my hdd physical boundary
[05:13] <goofrider> it
[05:13] <cmg_> lol sorry wrong channel
[05:13] <goofrider> it's scary
[05:13] <cyphase> Nermal, i don't want to have to install webmin
[05:13] <medication> sorry all
[05:13] <comforteagle> how do I add my new usb wireless card to ubuntu?
[05:13] <Nermal> cyphase, ah :|
[05:13] <jamesio> this is just a learning experience for me.  I am slowly moving things to linux... been at it for a week and use it more each day
[05:13] <sig> comforteagle: plug it in
[05:13] <sp> sig, nope there is'nt, sadly.
[05:13] <sig> it should recognize it
[05:13] <sig> sp ok sudo -s
[05:13] <Nermal> comforteagle, plug it in and hope.. if not, read up on ndiswrapper ?
[05:14] <Nermal> what wifi dongle is it ?
[05:14] <goofrider> cyphase: do u have to use BIND? can u se DNSmasq? (Which is a please to use)
[05:14] <sp> sig, what password do i put in?
[05:14] <goofrider> which is a pleasure*** to use
[05:14] <sp> sig, ok, i am root now.
[05:14] <Nermal> your user pass
[05:14] <jamesio> I took my inspiron and put xp back on it (was using it as a test machine) in preparation for me to move all my "xp stuff" to it and make my desktop ubuntu only
[05:14] <sig> then add 1280x1024 to the xorg.conf and restart X then try the System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[05:14] <reD_Rum> okay.. i got esound to work. but now in audacity sound doesn't work and there are no devices listed
[05:14] <sig> comforteagle: plug it in
[05:14] <sp> sig, ok, be back in a bit :)
[05:14] <Nermal> reD_Rum, I'd use alsa
[05:14] <Nermal> :)
[05:15] <Nermal> sound daemons just make things more complicated
[05:15] <jamesio> goofrider, know of an easy way to add partitions to /etc/fstab (short of editing it myself?)
[05:15] <reD_Rum> Nermal: but alsa doesn't let me use sound on multiple applications
[05:15] <sig> once it's plugged in comforteagle  go to: System > Administration > Networking
[05:15] <Nermal> reD_Rum, it should do
[05:15] <comforteagle> sig: plugged it in.. is there a networking wizard?  It isn't showing up in network admin
[05:15] <comforteagle> damn
[05:15] <Nermal> reD_Rum, unless you have an ISA soundcard
[05:15] <Nermal> PCI soundcards usually do hardware mixing
[05:15] <g0dot> is there an ubuntu install cd which is completely compiled for i686?
[05:15] <sig> comforteagle: what card is it?
[05:15] <comforteagle> dlink
[05:15] <Nermal> g0dot, nope
[05:15] <thoreauputic> g0dot: no
[05:15] <reD_Rum> Nermal: nope.. built in pci
[05:15] <sig> should work
[05:16] <Nermal> g0dot, why would you need that ?
[05:16] <sig> hold on
[05:16] <goofrider> james: nope. u can try wrting a script to create mount point and add ti ftsab for u
[05:16] <reD_Rum> Nermal: worked with windows
[05:16] <Nermal> reD_Rum, useless info
[05:16] <Nermal> it should work with alsa
[05:16] <g0dot> Nermal: wouldn't it run a bit faster?
[05:16] <Nermal> g0dot, probably not
[05:16] <SilvioTO> Hi, help please, I have problem with D-Link DSL-502T ADSL router in Hoary; connect but don't browse web. Thanks.
[05:17] <Nermal> considering most apps spend their time waiting for user input
[05:17] <jamesio> goofrider, what I think I'm going to do is physically label all the exernal drives one-by-one and partition/name them in ubuntu with the label name
[05:17] <Nermal> you'd get far bigger performance gains chosing the right filesystem etc
[05:17] <jamesio> goofrider, that way I can easily know which drive I need to take off in case of failure
[05:17] <g0dot> Nermal: I'm running it on a p2 and gnome is really sluggish, so it was just a thought :)
[05:17] <Nermal> SilvioTO, can you ping stuff ?
[05:17] <goofrider> g0dot: Ubuntu packages are alrready optimzed for 686, they just don't REQUIRE 686
[05:17] <Nermal> g0dot, hmm.. gnome is quite heavy now :|
[05:18] <goofrider> or so I was told by a dev in Ubuntuforums
[05:18] <g0dot> obviously
[05:18] <thoreauputic> g0dot: install xfce4 or one of the light window managers
[05:18] <g0dot> ok goofrider
[05:18] <SilvioTO> I don't tryed.
[05:18] <reD_Rum> Nermal: nope.. at least audacity doesn't work
[05:18] <sig> comforteagle: do you have the ndiswrapper installed?
[05:18] <Xappe> g0dot: XFce4 would be an alternative on a p2 I guess
[05:18] <thoreauputic> g0dot: the new xfce is very nice
[05:18] <comforteagle> sig: I'll check
[05:18] <Nermal> SilvioTO, give us some more info then
[05:18] <sig> lsmod
[05:19] <goofrider> james: if I were u, I'd do a super-RAID/LVM farm
[05:19] <amaro> hey guys.. wanna watch something funny... it's about linux: http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174
[05:19] <AstralJava> Does anyone have any ideas on how to progress; I'd need to be able to boot from USB stick, and I tried to install grub onto it when I installed Hoary, but now it doesn't seem to be there, and the LiveCD doesn't have that in it. I cannot install grub onto MBR, so I have no means to boot to the existing Hoary on the laptop.
[05:19] <sig> comforteagle: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23307.html <---- I found this link here
[05:19] <g0dot> yeah someone else suggested xfc4 to me already. maybe it would be a better choice
[05:19] <sig> not sure if it will help or not
[05:19] <Nermal> ifconfig give you ip? nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf? ps ax show dhclient running ?
[05:19] <goofrider> transbuddha.com??? hehehehehehe
[05:19] <comforteagle> sig: thanks..
[05:19] <sig> comforteagle: wait!
[05:20] <reD_Rum> ok neither does other stuff
[05:20] <jamesio> goofrider, everyone keeps telling me that...  in windows I set the drives up individually and used robocopy to duplicate data to like-sized drives.  it worked for me... never lost anything (even after 2 bad "re-install the os" crashes)
[05:20] <SilvioTO> how I ping? from router? from console?
[05:20] <Nermal> SilvioTO, from console
[05:20] <sig>  DLink? Fast Ethernet (via-rhine driver) <--- is this what you have comforteagle ?
[05:20] <Nermal> but try ifconfig first, see if eth0 is up
[05:21] <Nermal> sig, it's usb
[05:21] <amaro> that flash was amusing, was it not?
[05:21] <sig> Nermal: it is "usb"
[05:21] <SilvioTO> please write me a command, an example, thanks
[05:21] <goofrider> AstralJava: do u need the USB stick to be a self-contained bootable enviroment, or just an emrgency boot kernel?
[05:21] <sig> so it wouldn't be eth0
[05:21] <Nermal> sig, oh :)
[05:21] <Nermal> well. it would be
[05:21] <Nermal> sig, and that was for SilvioTO anyway :P
[05:21] <sig> comforteagle: unplug it then  plug it back in and type: dmesg
[05:21] <sig> see what the output prints at the bottom
[05:21] <goofrider> AstralJava: either way, try using syslinux as a bottloader. It's better for removable media
[05:21] <Nermal> SilvioTO, ping 216.239.37.99
[05:22] <AstralJava> goofrider: It should just contain enough information so that I could boot into that Hoary install. Not sure if it should have kernel itself or grub that points to correct partition.
[05:22] <medication> seems i may have been a bit hasty jumping to kubuntu...
[05:22] <osity> anyone know how to setup software raid1?
[05:22] <AstralJava> goofrider: Syslinux? Okay, I'll look into it.
[05:22] <SilvioTO> thanks, I try and reconnect... one moment.
[05:22] <StarMkeSE> Damned! My internet connection in Ubuntu still refuses to connect :(
[05:22] <goofrider> AstralJava: then u don't need grub on the USB stick, use syslinux
[05:22] <medication> does anyone have some insight into what i can do to get past the stall at 25% of "Configuring apt..."
[05:22] <medication> ?
[05:22] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, what connection ?
[05:22] <AstralJava> goofrider: Alright then. Thanks! :)
[05:23] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[05:23] <sig> medication: ctrl + c
[05:23] <sig> try again?
[05:23] <medication> again... for anyone interested here's a thread about the issue: http://tinyurl.com/dkt46
[05:23] <Nermal> medication, anything on the other consoles ?
[05:23] <osity> has anyone setup software raid one ? i need a walkthrough...
[05:24] <medication> sig: i've jumped out of the install at the configure user part... but haven't really had luck getting the install to continue from that part
[05:24] <Nermal> osity, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[05:24] <Nermal> GOOGLE
[05:24] <medication> Nermal: what other consoles?
[05:24] <Shufla> osity: it can be made with installer. btw google for "linux software raid", there is very good howto
[05:24] <Nermal> alt-f<etc>
[05:24] <thoreauputic> oh boy.. Konversation is a useless client.... back soon on another one
[05:24] <medication> ahhh
[05:24] <medication> don't know... but once it hits the stall the machine is frozen
[05:25] <Nermal> hmmmm
[05:25] <Nermal> may be an irq issue :|
[05:25] <osity> shufla:  i have had 0 luck weith the howto's ....none talk about the partitions,,,,do you know how to setup the partitioner?
[05:25] <Nermal> but I dunno
[05:25] <medication> no ability to esc /ctrl-c/alt-f
[05:25] <Shufla> how do i set up gnome, to have entry "Always on top" on special window menu? (i assume to use gconf, my net is lagged, google almost impossibile)
[05:25] <Nermal> osity, what partitioner ?
[05:25] <goofrider> medication: not sure what the installer doing at the time its stalled, but u might consider using debootstrap to install ubuntu as a last resort
[05:25] <osity> there is a partitioner in ubuntu....
[05:25] <medication> debootstrap?
[05:25] <Shufla> osity: there's some words about partitions. you cannot set up more then 1 parttition on /dev/md?, use LVM or make /dev/md[1-...]  for any partition
[05:26] <Zambba> Can I install kernel with apt-get in Ubuntu ?
[05:26] <Zambba> Like I can in Debian
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Zambba: yes
[05:26] <Zambba> ^^
[05:26] <osity> in hoary ...you can setup raid with the an interface...but i've had no luck....there seems to be lots of ways i guess....
[05:26] <osity> i'm looking for someonw that has done it.
[05:26] <goofrider> medication: U can use the live cd, run debootstrap and write a minial OS to the hard drive, chroot to it, and download the rest of the OS of the net
[05:26] <Zambba> s*it my firefox halted when I was downloading Ubuntu :(
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Zambba: apt-cache search linux-image and choose one
[05:27] <Shufla> osity: yes. read thourht raid howto - you *cannot* setup more than one partition on /dev/md
[05:27] <StarMkeSE> Nermal I still can't access.. I tried to use static IP and ifconfig says 127.0.0.1 as IP
[05:27] <Zambba> Hmm.. if I download most recent Ubuntu from the website do I have 2.6 kernel?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Zambba: try wget -c <URL>
[05:27] <Shufla> (sorry for my english)
[05:27] <tritium> Zambba, but don't choose 2.6.11 in hoary (it's unsupported)
[05:27] <Zambba> ok
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Zambba: yes, 2.6.10-5
[05:27] <medication> goofrider: I've used the Live CD just to make sure that my system was supported
[05:27] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, thats localhost
[05:27] <osity> shufla:  i have no idea how to setup the partitions.......(do i make a swap etc..)  if anyone has setup this on hoary ....help would be appreciated.....
[05:28] <SilvioTO> result of ping:   from 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination net unreachable. (My routeris connected with lan cable, and not usb)
[05:28] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, what happens if you run dhclient eth0 ?
[05:28] <medication> goofrider: but how do i go about mounting my hdd
[05:28] <Nermal> or rather sudo dhclient eth0
[05:28] <StarMkeSE> Nermal it refuses... I doesn't recognize the command
[05:28] <goofrider> use the live cd to partition and mount the hdd on a mountpoint... like /mnt/newdrive
[05:28] <g0dot> can I install a second window manager and switch between them?
[05:28] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, what is the error ?
[05:29] <medication> goofrider: thanks! i'll give that a shot
[05:29] <Xappe> g0dot: yes
[05:29] <goofrider> use debootstrap to write a minimal OS there, chroot to it, and download the rest of the OS
[05:29] <thoreauputic> g0dot: yes
[05:29] <Nermal> SilvioTO, and if you run  sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[05:29] <goofrider> google for further instructions
[05:29] <Nermal> SilvioTO, and if you run  sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[05:29] <medication> cheers
[05:29] <goofrider> there are several howtos on the web
[05:29] <SilvioTO> result of ping:   from 192.168.1.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination net unreachable. (My routeris connected with lan cable, and not usb)
[05:29] <g0dot> ok goofrider
[05:29] <medication> thanks a bunch...
[05:29] <thoreauputic> g0dot: in fact you can install 3 or 4 if you wish
[05:29] <Nermal> SilvioTO, ran the command I said ?
[05:29] <StarMkeSE> Nermal When I try to access internet it says "connection refused..." and I don't get any ip from DHCP even if I type dhcpcd eth0 in the root
[05:30] <g0dot> thoreauputic: how would I switch between them?
[05:30] <comforteagle> sig: dmesg spat a load of info back at me.
[05:30] <SilvioTO> ha, ok, I go... on moment
[05:30] <sig> comforteagle: pastebin.com
[05:30] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, dhcpcd isn't in ubuntu I said dhclient
[05:30] <thoreauputic> g0dot: log out and choose a different one
[05:30] <Nermal> please read what I type
[05:30] <goofrider> g0dot: GDM and KDM will let u choose between most windows managers if u have them installed
[05:30] <g0dot> ah nice
[05:30] <mez> I need a little help
[05:30] <thoreauputic> g0dot: the login screen will give you session alternatives
[05:31] <mez> I cant seem to get my PC to function in Graphgical mode unless I completely delete my XFree86Config
[05:31] <g0dot> didn't know it was that easy
[05:31] <Nermal> and "it says connection refused" could mean anything
[05:31] <StarMkeSE> Nermal It doesn't like if I just typed SU
[05:31] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, you typed sudo dhclient eth0
[05:31] <Nermal> yes ?
[05:31] <StarMkeSE> Nermal I didn't like just the command SU...maybe it's default?
[05:32] <Nermal> SU ?
[05:32] <Nermal> why are you typing SU ?
[05:32] <mez> can anyone help me
[05:32] <StarMkeSE> A friend told me
[05:32] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, for the love of god
[05:32] <thenuke> mez: no one knows.
[05:32] <Nermal> read what I type
[05:32] <thenuke> mez: so.. no one answers..
[05:32] <mez> :(
[05:32] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: you probably mean `su` (lower case) but we use sudo in Ubuntu :)
[05:32] <goofrider> medication: hey I read the forum thread... Did u try static IP in the installer?
[05:33] <amaro> damn, mplayer doesn't let you right click it when it's embedded in webpages
[05:33] <Nermal> amaro, new versions do
[05:33] <Nermal> 2.80 for example
[05:33] <StarMkeSE> thoreauputic Aha! I'm not used at linux at all
[05:33] <medication> goofrider: no i hadn't tried that yet... at what point would i set the static address?
[05:33] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, sudo dhclient eth0
[05:33] <amaro> Nermal, i'll check out which version I have
[05:33] <Nermal> I think 2.70 is in hoary
[05:33] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: I suggest you read the howtos on the wiki and the FAQ
[05:34] <goofrider> medication: when it configure your LAN card
[05:34] <Nermal> I had to get 2.80 via a different repo
[05:34] <comforteagle_> sig: http://pastebin.com/282162
[05:34] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: I'll give you a URL
[05:34] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: hang on
[05:34] <StarMkeSE> thoreauputic Alright! I'll do so :)
[05:34] <goofrider> medication: choose expert mode mgith give u more options
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
[05:34] <SilvioTO> All rights reserved.
[05:34] <SilvioTO> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
[05:34] <SilvioTO> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[05:34] <SilvioTO> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:0e:2e:01:13:fe
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:0e:2e:01:13:fe
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPNAK from 192.168.1.1
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.1
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPACK from 192.168.1.1
[05:34] <SilvioTO> bound to 192.168.1.3 -- renewal in 1520 seconds.
[05:34] <medication> goofrider: right right... i've been using the default install method
[05:34] <goldfish_> uh oh
[05:35] <tritium> SilvioTO, please don't paste like that
[05:35] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  and
[05:35] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, kindly explain why you are willing to listen to thoreauputic and not listen to 3 requests from me to enter the command stated
[05:35] <medication> goofrider: i'll give that the expert mode install a shot and try using a static ip
[05:35] <Nermal> SilvioTO, so you have an IP...
[05:36] <StarMkeSE> Nermal I'm listening to you but I need to read more about this to. I'm writning down all what you have said
[05:36] <medication> goofrider: that actually sounds like a potential solution
[05:36] <Nermal> SilvioTO, try sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[05:36] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: also read and follow http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:36] <sig> #
[05:36] <sig> #
[05:36] <sig> usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[05:36] <Nermal> I think I've had enough of noobs for today
[05:36] <Nermal> bye all
[05:36] <goofrider> medication: hope it works
[05:37] <goofrider> LMAo
[05:37] <medication> goofrider: Thanks!
[05:37] <goofrider> poor Nermal
[05:37] <SilvioTO> the ip 192.168.1.1is router ip.
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> hi
[05:37] <goofrider> u know... some of u guys are thankless  LMAO
[05:37] <mez> where does ubuntu get tis default settings from
[05:37] <mez> for X
[05:37] <comforteagle_> sig: still doesn't show up in networking
[05:37] <mez> if there's no XF86Config
[05:37] <sig> comforteagle_: odd
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> i need to install zlib1g-dev in order to install libpng10-dev
[05:37] <sig> try googling for it
[05:37] <goofrider> xorg.conf
[05:38] <amaro> Nermal, yup, I have version 2.7
[05:38] <s_yuan31tee> however, i dun find zlib1g-dev in my respitotary
[05:38] <guupsta> respiratory system
[05:38] <thoreauputic> mez: on Hoary it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:38] <goofrider> for the cmd tool, use xorgconfig
[05:38] <comforteagle_> sig: there's no pwr light either
[05:39] <mez> doesnt exist
[05:39] <fsmw> hi all!
[05:39] <sig> comforteagle_: it sounds like it doesn't have a driver/module assigned to it
[05:39] <sig> you need to find what driver you need for it
[05:39] <thoreauputic> mez: it should :)
[05:39] <comforteagle_> is there a ndiswrapper pkg for ubuntu?
[05:39] <fsmw> i got problems trying to run gmailfs on ubuntu, googling it seems that is a know problem but there's no solution available yet
[05:41] <s_yuan31tee> Hello, can anyone tell me where i can get zlib1g-dev for my warty :(
[05:41] <amaro> Anyone knows which repository includes mplayer version 2.8?
[05:42] <SilvioTO> SIOCADDRT: the file already exist
[05:43] <sp> sig: hey, thanks. i got 1280 resolution :)
[05:43] <osity> can raid be setup through x?
[05:44] <sp> hpnadig: hey, you the same on on orkut?
[05:44] <hpnadig> yep
[05:45] <sp> hpnadig: nice :) your on my cousin's list. i'm down at his place, installing linux first time
[05:46] <osity> i remember my first time....
[05:46] <osity> it makes me we
[05:46] <miketech> Hi, do you see a chance, that mono will be part of ubuntu in the future?
[05:46] <sp> osity: yup.
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> 'a part of a Ubuntu'
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> Mono is included in the repos.
[05:46] <amaro> as does java...
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> Do you mean full integration?
[05:46] <miketech> yeah well... installed by default :)
[05:46] <miketech> yup dataw0lf|w
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> *shrug* I hope not.
[05:46] <amaro> miketech, java isn't even installed by default, and you want mono?
[05:47] <StarMkeSE> *deep sigh*
[05:47] <miketech> why not?
[05:47] <dataw0lf|w> miketech: there is still the MS threat hanging over Mono.
[05:47] <miketech> well because of application like beagle
[05:47] <dataw0lf|w> Granted, it wouldn't do THAT much damage... but enough.
[05:47] <Seveas> mono & beagle are in breezy
[05:47] <dead^^> hey, how can i get .AVI and .MPG codecs on Linux?
[05:47] <karljp> anyone know how to get thunderbird to use a certian persona/alias/replyaddress when it's replying to list mails?
[05:47] <Echylo> "Archive fixed | Please don't use Breezy yet"
[05:47] <StarMkeSE> I don't know..Now it even refuses to read from floppy :'(
[05:47] <Seveas> install w32codecs from marillat
[05:47] <Echylo> ;)
[05:47] <miketech> yeah, but we all know the discussions about Mono and microsoft and so on. will there be a solution in the future?
[05:48] <hpnadig> is there a firefox 1.0.3 update deb around in any repository?
[05:48] <miketech> well either saying yes or no. but continueing this discussions the next 3 years does not help anyone
[05:49] <sp> What is a good ftp application?
[05:49] <miketech> gftp?
[05:50] <gryphon> miketech: ok. lemme install it
[05:50] <SilvioTO> Nermal?
[05:50] <jeroen_> hpnadig: backports has 1.0.3
[05:50] <gryphon> is xchat 2.4.3 also in ubuntu?
[05:50] <Echylo> 2.
[05:50] <Echylo> 2.4.1
[05:51] <gryphon> ok.
[05:52] <hpnadig> jeroen_: thanks, whats the url?
[05:52] <gryphon> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:52] <gryphon> miketech: thanks. gftp is nice.
[05:53] <miketech> n.p.
[05:54] <zerby> well hello, may i ask a question?
[05:54] <zerby> can i i mean
[05:54] <goldfish_> go ahead
[05:54] <zerby> ive installed ubuntu
[05:54] <zerby> but i ant play mp3/wav
[05:54] <StarMkeSE> Can someone explain why sudo dhchpclient eth0 is refused?
[05:54] <zerby> and i suppose video
[05:54] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:54] <El> hi
[05:55] <PtitOurs> yeah ... he's right
[05:55] <zerby> wezzer, i need an entry ion sourcelist i thuink
[05:55] <tim1> kernel 2.6.12 just hit breezy, I'm gonna reboot now
[05:55] <mtbeedee> zerby, does it complain about libmikmod2 or something when you start it from the console?
[05:55] <dead^^> i got the w32codecs now. hoe i should install them?
[05:55] <ElChoNy> hola, alguien que hable castellno me puede ayudaR_
[05:55] <zerby> no mtbeedee
[05:56] <mtbeedee> dead^^ I think yuo can use sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:56] <zerby> i doubleklick on the mp3 icon
[05:56] <wezzer> zerby: yes, you need to enable universe
[05:56] <zerby> kaffeine starts up
[05:56] <zerby> wezzer, ?
[05:56] <zerby> in sourcelist?
[05:56] <dead^^> wtbeedee i'll try
[05:56] <wezzer> yes
[05:56] <zerby> k
[05:56] <wezzer> zerby: just open up synaptic
[05:56] <zerby> i did
[05:56] <wezzer> and go to settings -> repositories
[05:56] <zerby> k
[05:58] <zerby> i see wezzer tx
[06:00] <Echylo> anyone uses the game "enemy territory" around here?
[06:02] <larsrohdin> ilarsrohdn, testing=)
[06:02] <Echylo> anyway, when I try to launch "et" it hangs on "sound initialization", what can I do?
[06:03] <_david> any idea when kde-libs will be fixed in the repo?
[06:05] <_david> anyone?
[06:05] <_david> oh well
[06:05] <jeroen_> hpnadig: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:07] <x_or> Can anyone tell me how to switch from Gnome to XFCE?  I've installed the XFCE package, but I am not sure how I switch the window managers.
[06:08] <x_or> I see nothing in the menus, and I don't seem to have an .xinitrc file.
[06:08] <Fator_Dee> logout and choose xfce from the sessions
[06:08] <jeroen_> x_or, can't you click sessions when logging in and choose xfce?
[06:08] <MartySkitch> how did you install xfce
[06:08] <x_or> Using synaptic.
[06:08] <x_or> Let me logout and try it...
[06:08] <x_or> Bye
[06:08] <MartySkitch> then it should be listed as a session
[06:10] <ubuntu_> Hi
[06:10] <gryphon> bye
[06:10] <IFR> Hey everyone, installing IPW2200 wireless driver veresion 1.0.3 under Ubuntu 5.04 and 2.6.10-5-386. The card is working with WEP and version 0.9 now. How can I enable the
[06:10] <IFR> Crypto library support (CONFIG_CRYPTO), ARC4 cipher algorithm and CRC32 (CONFIG_CRC32) can anyone point me to in the kernel?
[06:10] <ubuntu_> Hi, I'm new to linux. >D
[06:10] <goldfish_> hey
[06:14] <osity> how important is the swap file?
[06:14] <osity> do i neeed it?
[06:14] <Echylo> yes
[06:14] <Echylo> :D
[06:14] <Echylo> you do need it
[06:14] <mez> To whoever it was helping me before: sorry for being a pain in the ass, but - I should really listen to you in future, lol... I'm just an idiot :D lol - I dont know ubuntu as well as you - and my paranoia about going back to a crappy even more f**ked up system got to me
[06:14] <mez> I did what the file said - and found out whyit hadnt worked
[06:14] <thoreauputic> mez: it's OK - I lost it a bit too :)
[06:14] <mez> It was tryin to use drivers for my Motherboard graphics card,
[06:15] <mez> instead of my added on one
[06:15] <osity> why ..im setting up an ftp server....?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> mez: I see
[06:15] <mez> which was why it wasnt working
[06:15] <thoreauputic> mez: OK well, all's well that ends well , right?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> mez: BTW those URLs I gave you are very useful too
[06:16] <osity> Echylo:.... why ..im setting up an ftp server....?
[06:17] <Taliesin`> (osity): it's somewhere for the system to swap contents out of RAM into
[06:17] <Taliesin`> or if the RAM is full it has a SWAP Partition to put it too, and because the swap partition is a certant area on the drive, the contects and shoved just randomly over the drive.
[06:18] <Taliesin`> even Windows has a Swap File for this same purpouse.
[06:18] <osity> if i sw raid 1  do i raid the swap paritions also?
[06:18] <Taliesin`> u dont need too no
[06:18] <Taliesin`> you could just as hapily put the swap file on the system drive.
[06:18] <Echylo> osity, just an ftp server?
[06:20] <osity> ya
[06:20] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/?page_id=19
[06:20] <osity> Echylo:.... why ?
[06:20] <sig> Ubuntu Screenshots
[06:21] <cyphase> Gates has tried Firefox, and he still thinks IE is better
[06:21] <cyphase> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4508897.stm
[06:21] <mez> nother question: on other distros, I've always been able to swtich to consoles by using ctrl+alt +Shit+Fx
[06:21] <Echylo> osity, how much memory will that pc be using?
[06:21] <mez> I can switch to one on this, but cant switch to another after...
[06:21] <osity> 512
[06:21] <mez> that meant to be the case?
[06:21] <osity> ill use 1gb of swap
[06:21] <Echylo> owke?
[06:21] <osity> Echylo: are you familiar with sw raid1?
[06:21] <Echylo> no :)
[06:22] <Echylo> you can classify me as noob+ ubuntu
[06:22] <thoreauputic> mez: no, it shouldn't be - you should be able to shift using alt-Fx or ctrl-alt-Fx
[06:22] <osity> nayone here know software raid stuff?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> mez: of course you would need to log on in the other tty
[06:23] <thoreauputic> after shifting
[06:23] <mez> yeah, I know
[06:23] <mez> I can shift, but i cant shift back
[06:24] <thoreauputic> mez why are you using the shift key in your combo?
[06:24] <mtbeedee> mez: what are you trying to shift back to?
[06:24] <mez> er... I dont know... I alwyas have done... and it doesnt make any difference
[06:24] <mez> and trying to shift back to anything
[06:24] <g0dot> nice.. xfce4 is reallz a lot more responsive than gnome
[06:24] <mtbeedee> you mean you can shift once and then not again?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> mez: you only need alt-Fx when out of X and ctrl-alt-Fx  when in it
[06:25] <g0dot> now I only need to find where to change the keyboard layout
[06:26] <thoreauputic> mez: if it's a laptop you might need to touch the fn key as well
[06:26] <mez> it aint a laptop
[06:26] <mez> lemme try
[06:26] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:26] <mez> if i sign out then :D It didnt work
[06:27] <mtbeedee> i wonder if when he switches out, it closes or resets that pty
[06:27] <cyphase> In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows or Gates?
[06:28] <thoreauputic> mtbeedee: ubuntu is bog standard normal when it comes to switching from one tty to another, unless he has a keyboard config issue
[06:30] <selinium> hi thoreauputic!
[06:30] <mez> nope didnt work
[06:30] <bet0x> libflash-mozplugin.so crash my all browser
[06:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: hello again selinium :)
[06:30] <mez> lets me switch to tty1
[06:30] <mez> (ctrl alt f1)
[06:31] <mez> but, wont let me switch back (either alt f7, ctrl alt f7 or ctrl alt shift f7
[06:31] <thoreauputic> mez: alt-F7 to get back
[06:31] <selinium> thoreauputic: Glad your here solving all us newbies problems!
[06:31] <mez> thoreauputic, it didnt work :(
[06:31] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - I've had afew problems myself lately
[06:31] <mez> to get back :(
[06:31] <thoreauputic> mez: odd
[06:31] <mez> yeah thats what I thought.
[06:32] <mez> wouldnt let me switch to any other tty either
[06:32] <selinium> hi all, is there a way of opening the other half's evolution from my login, so she doesn't have to keep logging me off to read her mail?
[06:32] <mez> I thought previously it might be because I was running in runlevel 2 and other distros i ran runlevel 5
[06:32] <thoreauputic> mez: when in tty1, run ` sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart `
[06:32] <mez> but that didnt work either
[06:33] <thoreauputic> mez: debian distros don't play runlevel games
[06:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:33] <selinium> thoreauputic: have you found a solution yet?
[06:33] <mez> is there any more steps after that ?
[06:33] <mez> cause I wont be able to come back and say "done"
[06:33] <mez> lol
[06:33] <thoreauputic> selinium: for some obscure reason fluxbox won't co-operate with me on Hoary :(
[06:33] <mez> thoreauputic, lol... I didnt think it would be that really, but it was worth a try
[06:34] <thoreauputic> mez: did you try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> rats
[06:34] <thoreauputic> I love the way people just disappear and reappear just when you give them a tip
[06:35] <mez> lol
[06:35] <mez> yeah it got me back into X
[06:35] <mez> but on the login screen
[06:36] <mez> so it closed all my apps
[06:36] <mez> I dont want that
[06:36] <thoreauputic> mez: OK your session manager wasn't running I expect
[06:36] <mez> ?
[06:37] <mez> gdm ?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:37] <mez> gdm was running cause i used it to login to start :D
[06:37] <mez> lol
[06:37] <s_yuan31tee> have any success compile mplayer 1.0pre7?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> mez, it's possible you killed it in your X adventures though
[06:37] <jackass> Could someone help me??? Can't find my other hardrive?
[06:37] <mez> lol
[06:37] <mez> hmm
[06:38] <mez> er, well - i havent done anything in the last.... 5 reboots
[06:38] <mez> hey Stephen
[06:38] <mtbeedee> jackass: what do you mean?
[06:38] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have not used it myself.
[06:38] <mez> if I quit... it wasnt that
[06:38] <jackass> im new on linux, Can't find my second hard drive after installation
[06:38] <lotusleaf> mez: if god exists, neither has he
[06:38] <mtbeedee> type ls -l /dev/hdb*
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> jackass: do a ls -l /dev/hd*
[06:39] <jackass> explain? im neeb
[06:39] <jackass> noob*
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> not necessarily going to be on /dev/hdb
[06:39] <mtbeedee> that will tell it to list you hard drives
[06:39] <mtbeedee> hd = hard disk
[06:39] <g0dot> ok I dont find it.. where can I change the keyboard layout in xfc4, does anyone know (where the hell is the question mark)
[06:39] <yo2lux> i want to update my firefox in Ubuntu 5.04 to firefox 1.0.3. I use synaptic package manager but not find new updates for firefox, any idea ?
[06:39] <mtbeedee> the /dev dir is where devices go
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> no, it will only list the secondary master, if it exists.
[06:39] <mtbeedee> true
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> jackass: open a terminal, type ls -l /dev/hd* and tell us the output
[06:40] <goldfish> firefox 1..3 is vunerable too btw.
[06:40] <mez> nope, does same thing, wont let me back in through alt+f7, but restarting gdm works
[06:40] <yo2lux> goldfish yes but i want to upgrade
[06:40] <goldfish> g0dot: right click on desktop go into settings, should be a keyboard menu or something
[06:40] <goldfish> afaik 1.0.3 will not be in hoary
[06:40] <goldfish> only breezy
[06:41] <mez> any ideas?
[06:41] <mez> tis really weird
[06:41] <g0dot> goldfish: not for changing the keyboard languahe layout
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  0 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  1 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda1
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  2 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda2
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  5 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda5
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3, 64 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hdb
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3, 65 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hdb1
[06:41] <mtbeedee> mez: maybe check you inittab?
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22,  0 2005-05-10 19:28 /dev/hdc
[06:41] <jackass> thas's came up
[06:42] <jackass> that*
[06:42] <mez> I dont see what can be wrong in the inittab though... that would do this
[06:42] <thoreauputic> mez, do you get a tty if you use, say,  ctrl-alt-F4 instead? I'm wondering if you have your /etc/inittab correctly set up
[06:42] <mtbeedee> jackass: it looks like you have a partition on a hard disk called hdb
[06:42] <mtbeedee> and hdc is a cdrom or something
[06:42] <jackass> y. and 1 called hda
[06:42] <goldfish> g0dot: oh right, something to do with your xorg.conf maybe? i know u csan change it there.
[06:43] <goldfish> *can
[06:43] <jackass> but i can only find 0ne of them
[06:43] <mez> thoreauputic, I have previously, but let me check
[06:43] <g0dot> ok goldfish
[06:43] <dataw0lf|w> jackass: mount /dev/hdb <mount point>
[06:43] <mtbeedee> what do you mean "only find"
[06:43] <mtbeedee> if you type "mount" it will tell you where they are mounted
[06:43] <mtbeedee> or check /etc/fstab
[06:44] <jackass> in mycomputer there is only 1 hdd
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> it's not mounting anywhere, jackass.
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> do a 'sudo mkdir /mnt/partition2'
[06:44] <selinium> hi all, is there a way of opening the other half's evolution from my login, so she doesn't have to keep logging me off to read her mail?
[06:44] <mtbeedee> jackass: does that mean you only have one physical drive?  but somehow have 2 devices listed?
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> then a 'mount /dev/hdb /mnt/partition2'
[06:45] <florian> hi
[06:45] <florian> i have a problem with my sources.list... it is gone...
[06:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: use gdmflexiserver - it's "log in as another user or something like that in the menu
[06:46] <g0dot> found it goldfish, thanks. and its really a lot faster than gnome
[06:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: so you can each have sessions running concurrently
[06:46] <goldfish> g0dot: cool, yeah xfce rocks.
[06:46] <_orospakr> hi! what is the best way of ensuring a certain set of packages (say, Kubuntu, openoffice, and a few other packages we need here) are installed on a small network of hoary boxes? (ie, pushing changes to them)
[06:47] <jackass> how to mount hd?
[06:47] <_orospakr> I know a text file with a list of packages on an httpd somewhere and a cron'd shell script on the boxes would work or something like that, but I wanted to know if there was some other method already.
[06:48] <mtbeedee> jackass: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/partition2
[06:48] <jackass> mount: monteringspunkten /mnt/partition2 finns inte
[06:49] <mtbeedee> jackass: uhh, what does that mean?
[06:49] <Mez__> weirdly... no i dont
[06:49] <selinium> thoreauputic: Fabulous! It works a treat!
[06:49] <thoreauputic> selinium: :)
[06:49] <jackass> partition2 doesn't excist
[06:50] <mtbeedee> then sudo mkdir /mnt/partition2 first
[06:50] <mmw> hi! can anyone help me with midi-playback? I installed timidity and freepats, but I can only hear the drums.
[06:50] <Mez__> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[06:50] <Mez__> 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[06:50] <Mez__> 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
[06:50] <Mez__> 4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
[06:50] <Mez__> 5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
[06:50] <Mez__> 6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6
[06:51] <Mez__> 2345 ??
[06:51] <thoreauputic> Mez__: uh, please recall what I said about using #flood
[06:51] <BoD_SWAT> can anyone tell me how to disable the ' " spacebar issue? When I use the SHIFT+" combination and then press the spacebar, then I get a ". How can I fix this?
[06:51] <mtbeedee> Mez__: that means it exists at that runlevel I think
[06:51] <Mez__> ah, ok, sorry about that
[06:51] <Mez__> well that makes sense why I dont get one now
[06:51] <Mez__> I'm at runlevel 5
[06:51] <Mez__> whereas before i was at 2
[06:52] <mtbeedee> change them all to 2345
[06:52] <mtbeedee> then telinit q
[06:52] <jackass> now it worked
[06:52] <Deffie> hi all, theres any package in universe/multiverse to allow rhythmbox (gstreamer ?) to play mp3s ?
[06:52] <mtbeedee> jackass: ls -l /mnt/partition2
[06:52] <mtbeedee> or cd there
[06:52] <mtbeedee> to see what's there
[06:52] <thoreauputic> Mez__: runlevel 5 isn't used in debian distros usually: the default is 2
[06:53] <BoD_SWAT> Deffie, try installing the codecs?
[06:53] <Mez__> ok done that mtbeedee
[06:53] <Juhaz> Deffie, gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:53] <jackass> it was the right drive
[06:53] <thoreauputic> mtbeedee: there is nothing wrong with his inittab
[06:53] <mmw> anyone?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Deffie:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:54] <mtbeedee> thoreauputic: ok... I was unsure if that would help or not
[06:54] <Deffie> Juhaz thank you :)
[06:54] <Mez> ah ok
[06:54] <Mez> so... now what to do
[06:54] <Deffie> thoreauputic you too :)
[06:54] <jackass> how do i ad it in computer
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Mez: have you altered your default runlevels?
[06:55] <Zambba> Is this disk configuration good to install Ubuntu to same disk with WinXP: http://hausjarvi.dyndns.ws/disk.PNG ? I'm planning to convert D: to FAT32.
[06:55] <florian> my sources.list is gone.. what can I do??
[06:55] <Mez> I changed my default runlevel from 2 to 5 ... but thats all.. and i did that this morning,
[06:55] <mmw> nobody has a clue how to enable midi-playback?
[06:55] <Mez> I've had this problem ever since i installed
[06:55] <thoreauputic> florian: run apt-setup
[06:56] <agent> anyone having problems logging in to ebay today using firefox? very annoying!
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Mez: type `runlevel ` in a term and tell me the output
[06:56] <Mez> N 5
[06:56] <forsaker8k6> rms is such a great man... wow
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Mez: sudo telinit 2
[06:56] <Mez> done
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Mez: you shouldn't be in runlevel 5
[06:57] <thoreauputic> Mez: ubuntu uses debian conventions: runlevel 5 isn't used normally
[06:57] <Mez> as i said earlier, I changed it cause of the whole thing to do with this, all other distros I've used used rl 5
[06:57] <thoreauputic> Mez: yes, confusing I know
[06:57] <Mez> anyways
[06:57] <Mez> now in rl 2
[06:58] <Mez> and I'll change my inittab to do that
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Mez: your inittab looked fine
[06:58] <Mez> that was just the TTY bit of it
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Mez: or what i saw looked fine
[06:58] <mp3j> im sorry to say but that live cd from ubuntu is not that appealing
[06:58] <Mez> i just changed back to id:2:initdefault:
[06:58] <florian> thoreauputic, thx, I try!
[06:58] <mmw> can someone *please* tell me how to play midi files?
[06:58] <Mez> instead of id:5:initdefault:
[06:58] <ganymed> hi folks
[06:59] <Mez> which i changed earlier :D
[06:59] <wolfsmaul> hi
[06:59] <wolfsmaul> cu
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Mez: it's always a good idea to know the distro before you change fundamental system files ;-)
[06:59] <|iXiiOn|> can i plug in my digicam with ubuntu and is start a wizzard or something ?
[06:59] <jeroen_> mmw, I'd like to know aswell
[06:59] <kandinski> paging aaron waite!
[07:00] <Mez> lol ;) I assumed it worked the same as Gentoo (which is also debian based I believe?)
[07:00] <Fackamato> Hi
[07:00] <Fackamato> My sit1 interfaces doesn't startup automatically at boot
[07:00] <jeroen_> |iXiiOn|, I think you can
[07:00] <goofrider> Gentoo is completely in it's own class
[07:00] <Fackamato> I have to manually do sudo ifup sit1
[07:00] <forsaker8k6> Mez.. i would not say that
[07:00] <Fackamato> then it works
[07:00] <mmw> jeroen_, ok, so there's 2 of us. unfortunately, no one seems to have an answer.
[07:00] <Fackamato> my interfaces file is http://www.tehjunkyard.net/interfaces.txt
[07:00] <Fackamato> any ideA?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Mez: erm... no Gentoo is most definitely NOT Debian based
[07:00] <goofrider> not realted to any distro at all
[07:00] <jeroen_> mmw: yep :(
[07:00] <forsaker8k6> Gentoo do is Gentoo
[07:00] <agent> mmw, did you try the command play on the command line?
[07:00] <Mez> ah, I just guessed it was from the whole... installer thing
[07:00] <mmw> agent, "command not found"
[07:01] <WeirdAl> hello...
[07:01] <WeirdAl> Why doesn't "lock screen" do anything?
[07:01] <forsaker8k6> mmw, have you tryed with xmms?
[07:01] <agent> mmw, that's strange.... default ubuntu install has that installed (at least mine did)
[07:02] <agent> mmw, and do other files play fine? like, for example, mp3 or wav? if not it may be your soundcard having issues or speakers
[07:02] <okmit> Need help: Anyone knows where I could find HowTo for the official nVidia drivers? My problem is that the installere asks me for missing kernel modules
[07:02] <mmw> agent, others play fine
[07:02] <paulproteus> okmit: ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki should help you.
[07:03] <Mez> so, any ideas thoreauputic
[07:03] <agent> mmw, install the package sox
[07:03] <paulproteus> Use the ubuntu wiki instructions and you won't go wrong.
[07:03] <paulproteus> I'm outta here.
[07:03] <agent> mmw, use synaptc
[07:03] <mmw> forsaker8k6, xmms doesn't play it either
[07:04] <Lathiat> okmit: You can install the nvidia drivers with ubuntu packages
[07:04] <Lathiat> okmit: Is there a reason you are installing from source
[07:04] <forsaker8k6> mmm... what do yuo mean when you say it doesn't play: you can't hear any sound.. or it gives you an error or something
[07:04] <forsaker8k6> ?
[07:04] <danko123456> ls
[07:04] <Lathiat> okmit: install the nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-386 (assuming your 386, maybe 686,k7 if you installed a non stdnard kernel0
[07:04] <mmw> agent, ok, now I've got play (thanks for that), but it gives me: sox: Failed reading /home/hoopdoc/Downloads/closer.mid: Do not understand format type: mid
[07:04] <forsaker8k6> :)
[07:05] <Mez> lmao :D I have a problem whcih is annoying and doesnt seem to happen to anyone else
[07:05] <Mez> lol
[07:05] <Mez> maybe i should just give up and wait for my hoary to arrive
[07:05] <jmjones> has anyone gotten wireless networking working under hoary with a dell laptop with an intel 2200 wireless chipset?
[07:05] <agent> mmw, are you using x86 or ppc? (not sure if this actually matters).. and you are using newest ubuntu, yes? (hoary)
[07:05] <okmit> Lathiat : ubuntu packages doesn't work fine, maybe because I have the Geforce Fx go5600 (Laptop chip)
[07:06] <Lathiat> okmit: ok, well the installer probably needs build-essential and linux-headers-2.6.10-386 installed
[07:06] <mmw> agent, x86 and hoary
[07:06] <agent> very strange then!
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Mez: maybe you should ask about your problem, 2...
[07:06] <Lathiat> okmit: also make sure to unintsall
[07:06] <Lathiat> okmit: nvidia-glx
[07:06] <Mez> dabaSlon, I already have :D
[07:06] <dabaSlon> ask again.
[07:06] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:07] <mmw> agent, are there any libraries or other things apart from freepats which could help?
[07:07] <agent> mmw, try and download midi files from the internet and play them... maybe your mid file was made some strange way
[07:07] <dabaSlon> and then again
[07:07] <Mez> you must have missed it, when thoreauputic wsa trying to help me
[07:07] <Mez> basically
[07:07] <dabaSlon> right, I just came in
[07:07] <okmit> Lathiat : I completely removed nvidia-glx
[07:07] <agent> mmw, to tell you the truth i am not very knowlegable about this... in fact i started using ubuntu two days ago :)
[07:07] <Mez> I cant ctrl +alt+Fx to a tty, but after I've done that, I cant go to any other TTY or back to X
[07:07] <dabaSlon> somehow my connection got dropped overnight
[07:07] <Lathiat> okmit: good
[07:07] <dabaSlon> what computer?
[07:08] <Mez> me?
[07:08] <Mez> er - cutom build
[07:08] <dabaSlon> not an apple, hey..
[07:08] <Mez> custom*
[07:08] <Mez> not an apple no
[07:08] <dabaSlon> I suppose you tried all possible combinations of keys?
[07:08] <jeroen_> agent, i have the same prob as mmw; i get the same error from play aswell
[07:08] <simas> how to install nforce2 sound and network drivers? i have downloaded 2.6.10 kernel source. when i run setup with --kernel-source-path it asks me for --kernel-output-path and i dunno what should it be set to
[07:08] <Mez> yip
[07:09] <okmit> lathiat : I'll try reinstalling after having linux-headers-2.6.10-386
[07:09] <Lathiat> okmit: yes you will definatley need that package
[07:09] <agent> mmw, i am searching packages and found the program/package playmidi.. maybe that will help (and, if needed, install libraries that you dont have for some strange reason)
[07:09] <krat3r> how do i rename a directory?
[07:09] <dabaSlon> yeah, that is strange, and yiu are right, I have no clue what could cause that
[07:09] <Mez> ;)
[07:09] <dabaSlon> mv dir/ dir_/
[07:09] <dabaSlon> in a terminal, in that directory where the dir/ is
[07:09] <dabaSlon> or
[07:09] <agent> mmw & jeroen_, let me actually try playing midi files on my pc... i never tried them :)
[07:10] <dabaSlon> throught gnome, f2
[07:10] <jeroen_> agent: that's the prob ;)
[07:10] <mmw> agent, but you're of great help anyway
[07:10] <okmit> Lathiat : Is the linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 package also required?
[07:10] <krat3r> dabaSlon, tnx
[07:10] <dabaSlon> k
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: yes
[07:11] <mmw> agent, I already tried playmidi (and pmidi and audacity ...), but all of them give me errors.
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: that is pulled in by that package
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: because its the latest version of the haeders
[07:11] <dabaSlon> just to make sure you understand...if the folder is in yuor home folder, then go to the home folder, and do what I said.
[07:11] <jeroen_> agent: These gave me errors aswell
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: please run "uname -r" and paste to me
[07:11] <agent> mmw jeroen_ do you ugys know of a site that has midi files i can download?
[07:11] <jeroen_> well, I wanted to play the song of the Vatican, for fun
[07:12] <jeroen_> Found it on Wikipedia
[07:12] <jackass> i can't find my sec. hdd in my computer, (I'm a noob)
[07:12] <okmit>  Lathiat : # uname -r
[07:12] <okmit> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:12] <mmw> agent, I have the one I'm trying to play from here: http://www.nrw-schwarz.de/download_handy.htm
[07:12] <simas> so no suggestions?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> jackass: it is your second hard drive, right?
[07:12] <jackass> japp
[07:12] <jackass> yes
[07:12] <jeroen_> http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/sp_ss_scv/inno/inno_scv_musica.mid
[07:12] <mmw> agent, I tried "closer" by nin
[07:13] <dabaSlon> jackass: type in ls /dev in a terminal, and paste the outputto http://pastebin.com , please
[07:13] <Lathiat> okmit: cool
[07:13] <Zambba> Is this good partitioning scheme? http://hausjarvi.dyndns.ws/disk.PNG
[07:13] <Lathiat> okmit: thats fine
[07:13] <dabaSlon> then give me the URL
[07:13] <Lathiat> okmit: keep going
[07:13] <Lathiat> Zambba: looks fine
[07:13] <jeroen_> looks good Zambba, depends on your use
[07:13] <dabaSlon> Zambba: what do you even mean good
[07:14] <dabaSlon> valid?
[07:14] <Zambba> yea :P
[07:14] <jeroen_> it looks okay
[07:14] <dabaSlon> does it work?
[07:14] <dabaSlon> i just learned what lmao means.
[07:14] <dabaSlon> I hate all he acronyms...too many...
[07:14] <agent> mmw jeroen_ just so you guys know, i cant play them either :(
[07:14] <jackass> done
[07:14] <dabaSlon> but, they will come in handy...
[07:14] <jeroen_> dabaSlon: install bsdgames, and then use wtf
[07:14] <jackass> dabaSlon
[07:14] <jeroen_> you can "wtf lmao"
[07:15] <jeroen_> and it'll tell you the meaning! :D
[07:15] <dabaSlon> jackass: give me the URL, please.
[07:15] <Zambba> :D
[07:15] <dabaSlon> hehe, nice program.
[07:15] <dabaSlon> I have dict
[07:15] <jackass> http://pastebin.com/282231
[07:15] <mmw> agent, ok. now we're 3. but shouldn't such a basic feature be accessible by default?
[07:16] <dabaSlon> jackass: your second hard drive seemds to have only one partition, is that right?
[07:16] <jeroen_> is midi non-restricted?
[07:16] <jeroen_> ?? restricted
[07:16] <jackass> yes
[07:16] <jeroen_> Any Ubuntu-devs around?
[07:16] <dabaSlon> jackass: what would you like to do, view the files? And, what filesystem is the hard drive?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> jeroen_: try #ubuntu-dev
[07:17] <jeroen_> ah, okay
[07:17] <Kamion> jeroen_: mm?
[07:17] <Lathiat> jeroen_: whats the problem?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> #ubutnu-devel
[07:17] <dabaSlon> whatever, you get the point,
[07:17] <jeroen_> mmw, let's go to #ubuntu-devel!
[07:17] <Lathiat> dabaSlon: No, please do not send users there, it is not for help, it is for development discussion.
[07:17] <jeroen_> oh, okay
[07:17] <jeroen_> then I won't go
[07:17] <Lathiat> jeroen_: Whats the problem?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> Lathiat: thanks for letting me know.
[07:18] <jeroen_> But you see.. there's no midi playback in Ubuntu
[07:18] <tritium> dabaSlon, this is the proper place for questions
[07:18] <dabaSlon> tritium: thanks.
[07:18] <mmw> Lathiat, we cannot play midi files
[07:18] <jeroen_> not even when you install midiplay
[07:18] <jackass> i would like to see the drive where you see the floppy and cd, like "My Computer" and filesystem i'm not sure
[07:18] <Lathiat> You probably dont have hardware synthesizer support
[07:18] <Lathiat> 'timidity' is a software synth
[07:18] <tim_> anyone know if there is a e17-ubuntu in the works? I saw a mention that there was talk of it in an interview with mark shuttleworth (think thta was the name)
[07:18] <Lathiat> you should try that
[07:18] <jeroen_> I tried timidity
[07:18] <dabaSlon> jackass: cool, can be done, what filesystem does it use? is it a windows hard?
[07:19] <Zambba> /bin/sh: line 1: wtf: command not found
[07:19] <jackass> yes, i think it is ntsf
[07:19] <mmw> Lathiat, I installed that. And freepats, too.
[07:19] <agent> mmw jeroen_ , did you guys try timidity + freepats?
[07:19] <jeroen_> Zambba: you need bsdgames
[07:19] <dabaSlon> (12:16:13) jeroen_: dabaSlon: install bsdgames, and then use wtf
[07:19] <Lathiat> mmw: Whats the problem?
[07:19] <jeroen_> agent, what is freepats
[07:19] <agent> mmw, nm :)
[07:19] <mmw> agent, yes :-)
[07:19] <Zambba> jeroen_: I know
[07:20] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32395
[07:20] <dabaSlon> jackass: open a terminal, type in "sudo mkdir /media/windows
[07:20] <dabaSlon> then enter.
[07:20] <dabaSlon> That will create the directory onto which you will mount the hard drive.
[07:20] <mmw> Lathiat, it only plays the drumline and gives many error messages like: No instrument mapped to tone bank 0, program 116 - this instrument will not be heard
[07:20] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : midi howto for hoary: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30963
[07:20] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : you guys try that?
[07:21] <Hatred> hey
[07:21] <dabaSlon> jackass: once you are done that, you need to mount the hard drive, so, try this first: "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222"
[07:21] <Lathiat> mmw: try googleing/checking the home page of timidity for information
[07:21] <jackass> ok done
[07:21] <dabaSlon> both?
[07:21] <mmw> agent, I'm reading through it
[07:21] <mmw> Lathiat, ok
[07:22] <dabaSlon> Hatred: hey
[07:22] <jackass> yes it worked
[07:22] <dabaSlon> jackass: then, type in ls /media/windows
[07:22] <Hatred> dabaSlon :)
[07:22] <Hatred> I've gotten this error msg from about 4 applications now, was wondering if anyone knew of a solution?
[07:22] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : apart from this i am all out of ideas :) never had a need for midi in my years w/ linux :X
[07:22] <beerockxs> can someone help me get my parallel port scanner to work?
[07:22] <Hatred> Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "liblighthouseblue.so",
[07:23] <jackass> done
[07:23] <dabaSlon> jackass: did that show you the files?
[07:23] <agent> anyone having problems logging into ebay today using firefox?
[07:23] <jackass> it worked realy fine...
[07:23] <jackass> yes
[07:23] <jeroen_> agent:thx
[07:23] <dabaSlon> Hatred: that means taht your GTK does not rally have that theme properly installed, the lighthouseblue theme,
[07:23] <jackass> thnx werry much
[07:23] <dabaSlon> Hatred: not sure what to do, though
[07:24] <Hatred> hmmm
[07:24] <PieD> Hi
[07:24] <dabaSlon> jackass: you are waelcome, that is just part of what you will prbably want to do
[07:24] <Hatred> ty dabaSlon
[07:24] <mmw> agent, I think it is a good way to have alerts have sounds (e.g. buddy alerts in gaim)
[07:24] <dabaSlon> welcome, I just know that that is one of the gtk themes.
[07:24] <PieD> I'm using breezy, and I've got a small problem with my latest apt-get update :
[07:24] <PieD> W: GPG error: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:25] <Kamion> PieD: I think the main archive's fine now, but fr.a.u.c may not have re-mirrored since the fix
[07:25] <Kamion> PieD: try archive.ubuntu.com temporarily
[07:25] <PieD> Only a Warning, but since core system components (passwd for instance) are updated, I prefer to be sure
[07:25] <dabaSlon> PieD: you want to update your keys...there is instructions on the Wiki, under hoary apt authentication
[07:25] <dabaSlon> jackass: the second part of what you probably want to do...is making the hard drive mounted on boot.
[07:25] <Kamion> dabaSlon: there was a problem with archive mirroring yesterday
[07:25] <PieD> keys must be updated ? why ?
[07:25] <Kamion> PieD: they should not
[07:25] <dabaSlon> kamion means truck in my language
[07:25] <agent> mmw, you could always try to convert the midi to something you can play (ogg for example)
[07:25] <Kamion> that's nice
[07:26] <sylvan> can ubuntu write to ntfs partitions? or just read?
[07:26] <dabaSlon> PieD: read the wiki, I do not know really.
[07:26] <agent> mmw, does gaim use mid files?
[07:26] <jackass> que?
[07:26] <selinium> This may seem like a strange strange question for this room, but is anyone here a scuba diver?
[07:26] <PieD> dabaSlon: It looks like you're wrong...
[07:26] <thenuke> PieD: Have you done this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:26] <selinium> Channel even
[07:26] <dabaSlon> sylvan: read at this time, there is some program for it...
[07:26] <PieD> I'm speaking about the main repositories
[07:26] <dabaSlon> PieD: why do you say that?
[07:26] <agent> selinium, yes, that is a strange question :)
[07:26] <dabaSlon> PieD: it is the same gpg error...
[07:26] <PieD> I'm using a hoary, updated in breezy
[07:26] <thenuke> PieD: you cannot have that error if you have only the "main" repos
[07:27] <dabaSlon> PieD: did you read the wiki yet?
[07:27] <PieD> I don't have this error any longer yet
[07:27] <PieD> I switched to archive.ubuntu.com instead of fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:27] <PieD> mirror problems
[07:27] <mmw> agent, I dunno, since my entire machine refuses to play them :-)
[07:27] <selinium> It is that I am looking to connect my dive computer to the linux box and didn't kow if anyone here had already had any success!
[07:27] <zoddan> my WLAN nic is not starting when i boot i have added it to interfaces but that dident help
[07:27] <dabaSlon> jackass: well, you dont want to have to do that every time you start your computer...or perhaps you do...do you? or do you want it to be mounted when you boot?
[07:28] <Kamion> thenuke: that GPG error showed up for a lot of people yesterday due to a bug in the archive system triggered by an upgrade to hoary (bash's syntax got a bit stricter in one place)
[07:28] <selinium> Alright then, has anyone connected there palm to ubuntu?
[07:29] <jackass> yes of course
[07:29] <dabaSlon> jackass: to the second one, right?
[07:29] <jackass> i didn't get that =7
[07:29] <jackass> =/
[07:29] <jackass> yes
[07:29] <jackass> lol
[07:30] <agent> mmw, its easy to check... if you have a package installed goto synaptic and search for it... then goto properties and select "installed files" that will tell you all the files it installs... (only works on installed packages)... see if it installed mid files... my guess no.. probably wav or something similar
[07:30] <dabaSlon> jackass: ok, there is a file at /etc/fstab
[07:30] <dabaSlon> first back it up, I guess, so, type in sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[07:30] <dabaSlon> jackass: then, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:31] <dabaSlon> jackass: add this line to the end of the file, exactly copy and pste it. "/dev/hdb1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0"
[07:31] <mmw> agent, ok thanks a lot. I'll give it up for now with midi.
[07:31] <dabaSlon> jackass: then save the file, and next time you boot, it will be there, under /media/windows.
[07:32] <dabaSlon> jackass: the files will be read only ion that hard drive. Also, all the instructions I had given you are from http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs , but a warning, that most of the Ubuntu developers/knowledgables, do not like all the methods that are shown on that page.
[07:33] <dabaSlon> this one is fine, I think.
[07:33] <klimit> Lathiat : Thanks it worked. Now what i have to do if I wanna install the 686smp kernel? The same thing?
[07:33] <Lathiat> klimit: then you install the appropriate headers package
[07:33] <Lathiat> klimit: and then eh
[07:33] <Lathiat> klimit: yeh
[07:34] <jackass> ok thnx again, and alot
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jackass: the first hard drive is hda, second hdb, third hdc and so on, normally, but sometimes they skip the letters for some reason, dunno...
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jackass: you are welcome.
[07:34] <klimit> Lathiat : ok 10x again
[07:34] <dabaSlon> is there anything else I can do for you right now?;)
[07:34] <dabaSlon> I work tech support in chat:)
[07:34] <jackass> so hda is master/ hdb slave?
[07:34] <dabaSlon> I guess...
[07:34] <Echylo> anyone knows a program to make cd-covers with it?
[07:34] <Lathiat> Echylo: glabels perhaps
[07:35] <Echylo> thanks
[07:36] <dabaSlon> Echylo: d you use gnome? Cause Synaptic has a search function, and you can search by name and description.
[07:36] <Echylo> yes, but I like to know experiences :)
[07:36] <dabaSlon> right, so you would see which program is good, that is a good tactic:)
[07:37] <|iXiiOn|> i need some help please
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> i installed ubuntu and at the end of the basic installation the installer tell me it needs additional language packages
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> ant that it is going to fiwnload these
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> download
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> BUT
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> the pc dont have internet
[07:39] <jeroen_> awww
[07:39] <jeroen_> can you get the language-packs from somewhere else?
[07:39] <|iXiiOn|> how can i add this packages ?
[07:39] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: so they do not get downloaded?
[07:39] <|iXiiOn|> i dont know which packages are needed
[07:39] <Kamion> it's asking about language-support-{yourlanguagecode}
[07:39] <Kamion> so say your primary language is French, that's language-support-fr
[07:40] <erik> join
[07:40] <danko123456> sometimes the Ubuntu install says it is going to the internet to get packages, but really does not do that, but looks in sources.list, and since the cd is added there, really gets those from the CD.
[07:40] <|iXiiOn|> aha
[07:40] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: I suppose that is not the case here?
[07:40] <bashBoy> hi people, is ubuntu any good ?
[07:40] <Kamion> nowadays, it should only ask about language-support-* if those packages aren't on the CD
[07:40] <danko123456> yup
[07:40] <Kamion> it checks
[07:41] <kyncani> bashBoy: you asking in #ubuntu !!!
[07:41] <|iXiiOn|> danko123456 this pc dont have internet acc
[07:41] <Kamion> although actually, there was a bug in the hoary DVD that meant it asked too often
[07:41] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: well, as I said, my installs always pretend to go to the internet, but really get the stuff from the cd,...
[07:41] <klimit> bashBoy : what do you want to know about it?
[07:41] <|iXiiOn|> hm maybe
[07:41] <danko123456> is it an error messaeg, or does it ask you if you want to install the packages from the internet, and if so, sy yes, and see if it does it.
[07:42] <|iXiiOn|> how can i chekc if or if not ?
[07:42] <Kamion> (see bug #8766)
[07:42] <Kamion> |iXiiOn|: say yes and don't worry about it? :-) If it can't download them, then it can't download them ...
[07:42] <jeroen_> bashBoy, yes it is
[07:42] <|iXiiOn|> it tells me that i need addition language packages and that it is going to download these now ( it is queestioning me )
[07:42] <danko123456> then, say yes
[07:42] <Kamion> the question's there so that if you're installing a thousand machines with CDs that don't have the right language-support-* on them, it won't kill your net connection as they all simultaneously go off to mirrors
[07:43] <|iXiiOn|> there is no error message
[07:43] <danko123456> bashBoy: in fact, it is super
[07:43] <danko123456> all right, does it continue?
[07:44] <erik> has anyone used Ubuntu in a school environment?
[07:44] <neighborlee> anyone else here by chance have a HP Officejet 5500 and is able to print in gimp..? ( i'm unable to and would appreciate any info )
[07:44] <danko123456> erik: there is a school somewhere that has a ubuntu lab...
[07:44] <|iXiiOn|> so how can i see if he took the packages from cd ? maybe
[07:44] <Raptoid> what is hdd partition kde desktop link ?
[07:44] <Raptoid> for ubuntu
[07:44] <goofrider> qtparted???
[07:44] <Kamion> |iXiiOn|: it'll be obvious if not, because it will spend time downloading and show a progress meter
[07:44] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: not sure, if it went on with what it is doing, it likely did
[07:45] <Raptoid> sor lan paco
[07:45] <Raptoid> euheuhe
[07:45] <Kamion> |iXiiOn|: right at the very end of the installation
[07:45] <Raptoid> kamyon
[07:45] <|iXiiOn|> Kamion yes
[07:45] <bashBoy> yes, i just want something easy for my friend to use
[07:45] <Raptoid> kardes nasil baglicaz bunu dektopa
[07:45] <bashBoy> and i want mp3 dvd to work as well
[07:45] <_paco_> how to mount win partitions with ubuntu
[07:45] <bashBoy> not like red hat . .
[07:45] <danko123456> bashBoy: it is good for that some installation will be needed
[07:45] <erik> danko123456: i'm interested in info regarding the maintenance of a large ubuntu rollout
[07:45] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:45] <allyn> ubuntu has the mp3 codec installd by default i think
[07:46] <danko123456> bashBoy: read the wiki at wiki.ubuntulinux.org about restricted frmats is all you need
[07:46] <danko123456> restricted formats
[07:46] <|iXiiOn|> okay i will see
[07:46] <danko123456> erik: google it is the best I can do.
[07:48] <bashBoy> danko123456: thanks, ill take a look
[07:48] <danko123456> bashBoy: you are welcome, why am I danko123456...
[07:48] <goofrider> why not burn him some live CDs and have your friend decide for himself?
[07:48] <osity> where should the boot loader go in a raid 1 setup?
[07:48] <dabaSlon> cause it is #ubuntu:-p
[07:48] <goofrider> osity: /dev/hda
[07:49] <goofrider> it the MBR
[07:49] <goofrider> in the MBR
[07:49] <osity> not in the partition?
[07:49] <goofrider> Grub stage 1 goes into /dev/hda
[07:49] <goofrider> stage 1.5/2 goes into /boot (whereever your /boot is)
[07:50] <goofrider> when u do a "install-grub /dev/hda", grub put stage 1 in the MBR, with a jump entry to stage 1.5 in /boot
[07:51] <goofrider> make sure u have the correct initrd image in your /boot
[07:51] <devnull> i am trying to use xfc to write a gui i have the libs installed from ubuntu but they seem to be missing xfcui
[07:52] <devnull> idk if i am doing something wrong
[07:52] <goofrider> the initrd must have RAID modules bundled in it
[07:53] <jiyuu0> yub... it's up...
[07:53] <jiyuu0> Unofficial Ubuntu Add-On CD Enhanced (Standard + SystemRescueCd):
[07:53] <jiyuu0> ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz (446.7 MB)
[07:53] <jiyuu0> Contains:
[07:53] <jiyuu0> -Snapshots of all the applications mentioned in the UbuntuGuide (8th May 2005)
[07:53] <jiyuu0> -Bootable CD (SystemRescueCd) - Partition Magic clone, Ghost/Drive-image clone, etc
[07:53] <jiyuu0> http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[07:54] <goofrider> I <3 SysResqCd
[07:55] <goofrider> jiyuu0, did u just make that??
[07:56] <dabaSlon> jiyuu0: what time zone are you in, what time is it now where you are?
[07:56] <goofrider> 10:56AM PDT
[07:57] <goofrider> oops
[07:57] <goofrider> though that was a rollcall
[07:57] <jiyuu0> goofrider, yes
[07:57] <goofrider> jiyuu0, sweet
[07:57] <jiyuu0> dabaSlon, it's now 1:57am
[07:59] <jeroen_> Hey, Hans!
[07:59] <jeroen_> Solved your probs?
[08:00] <jeroen_> join #ubuntu-nl
[08:02] <dabaSlon> ok, so a 12 hour difference, asia?
[08:03] <clausme> hello
[08:03] <mark345> im having problem mounting a newer dvd in ubuntu, but older dvds mount fine
[08:03] <clausme> can someone tellme what to do in this case
[08:03] <mark345> any ideas?
[08:03] <dabaSlon> jiyuu0: there is a guy here around midnight where I am, and that means noon where you are, his nick is anethema, and he wants to give you some suggestions about the guide.
[08:03] <dabaSlon> clausme: what is the case?
[08:04] <dabaSlon> mark345: not really myself.
[08:04] <clausme> i hope i dont get ban
[08:04] <dabaSlon> clausme: you can use http://pastebin.com , and paste the URL you get here...
[08:05] <jeroen_> mark345: the new ones are encrypted
[08:05] <jeroen_> you need libdvdcss2 to play them (might be illegal in some countries; not in Europe anyway)
[08:06] <jiyuu0> dabaSlon, any idea what's his comments?
[08:06] <clausme> http://pastebin.com/282254
[08:06] <clausme> helpm me pls
[08:06] <dabaSlon> state what the issue is as well.
[08:06] <clausme> hello
[08:07] <clausme> loojk at that url and help me
[08:07] <dabaSlon> clausme: hehe, anyhow, this is a long shot, but try this in a terminal: make menuconfig-curses
[08:07] <Kamion> clausme: install the libncurses5-dev package
[08:07] <tritium> clausme, you need to install libncursesw5-dev
[08:07] <dabaSlon> or, listen to them, they know.
[08:08] <clausme> how to install libncurses5-dev package ibncursesw5-dev
[08:08] <mark345> the error i get in xine is "cannot find  input plugin for MRL [dvd:/] 
[08:08] <tritium> clausme, I spelled it wrong.  See Kamion's msg
[08:08] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get libncurses5-dev
[08:08] <mark345> some dvds mount (new ones), but others do not
[08:09] <Kamion> insert "install" after "apt-get" there
[08:09] <clausme> k
[08:09] <clausme> i think i tried that
[08:09] <clausme> is not working
[08:09] <dabaSlon> mark345: did you read jeroen_s post?
[08:09] <mark345> oh
[08:09] <mark345> i see
[08:09] <tritium> clausme, it should.  That package is in the main repository.
[08:09] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev , and if it does not work, paste the output to pastebin again, or if one line, here.
[08:10] <Seveas> clausme, can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l | grep curses' on a pastebin please
[08:10] <jeroen_> mark345: the new ones are encrypted
[08:10] <jeroen_> you need libdvdcss2 to play them (might be illegal in some countries; not in Europe anyway)
[08:10] <mark345> is there a  program out there
[08:10] <quiet> how come marillat is no longer listed on the RestrictedFormats wiki page?
[08:10] <mark345> im using libdvdcss2
[08:10] <jeroen_> then it should work
[08:10] <mark345> hmmm
[08:10] <tritium> clausme, you've run "sudo apt-get update"?  Have you tried out synaptic?
[08:10] <jeroen_> do you have totem-xine?
[08:10] <clausme> root@clausme:/home/clausme # apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[08:10] <clausme> Reading package lists... Done
[08:10] <clausme> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:10] <clausme> Package libncurses5-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:10] <clausme> is only available from another source
[08:10] <clausme> E: Package libncurses5-dev has no installation candidate
[08:10] <clausme> root@clausme:/home/clausme #
[08:10] <mark345> others work, but not these 2 new ones
[08:10] <clausme> see
[08:10] <mark345> yeah, im using xine
[08:10] <dabaSlon> use pastebin, clausme...
[08:10] <mark345> and im up to date
[08:10] <dabaSlon> easire to read, too.
[08:11] <clausme> k
[08:11] <osity> which partition should be active in a raid 1 setup?
[08:11] <Kamion> you'd need to turn on network sources; there's advice on the web site about that
[08:11] <dabaSlon> clausme: Seveas: clausme, can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l | grep curses' on a pastebin please
[08:11] <klimit> Question: what's the best kernel for a P4 Hyperthreading? 686smp ?
[08:11] <mark345> is there a really really new version of libdvdcss2 available, like a nightly?
[08:11] <Seveas> klimit, yes
[08:12] <dabaSlon> dial up"-P
[08:12] <clausme> http://pastebin.com/282258
[08:12] <clausme> done
[08:12] <clausme> it
[08:12] <clausme> help me now
[08:13] <dabaSlon> hehe, just a sec.
[08:13] <bhna> clausme: please?
[08:13] <dabaSlon> DO a sudo apt-get update in a terminal, too, and if you get error messages, please paste that to a pastebin too.
[08:14] <clausme> let see
[08:14] <Seveas> hmm, it looks more like a bug in the psybnc installer
[08:14] <Seveas> he has the libraries installed
[08:14] <dabaSlon> bhna: just probably not english speaking...
[08:14] <Seveas> and it just needs the libraries (not the -dev) to display a menu
[08:14] <clausme> no erors
[08:14] <clausme> in apt get update
[08:14] <osity> you'd need to turn on network sources; there's advice on the web site about that
 clausme: Seveas: clausme, can you paste the output of 'dpkg -l | grep curses' on a pastebin please
 Question: what's the best kernel for a P4 Hyperthreading? 686smp ?
 is there a really really new version of libdvdcss2 available, like a nightly?
 klimit, yes
[08:14] <osity> * nealmcb has quit IRC (Re
[08:14] <jeroen_> mark345: I don't know. Search a search engine for libdvdcss2
[08:14] <osity> ooops sorry bout that
[08:15] <clausme> clausme http://pastebin.com/282258] 
[08:15] <clausme> clausme http://pastebin.com/282258
[08:15] <osity> which partition should be active in a raid 1 setup?
[08:15] <clausme> now what
[08:15] <clausme> i do
[08:15] <Seveas> clausme, hang on...
[08:15] <dabaSlon> just a second.
[08:15] <clausme> k
[08:16] <bramme> 2 simple questions for you, ubuntu freakz :: can someone give me a page with the exact differences between ubuntu and debian, and what kernel is included in  Ubuntu 5.04 ?
[08:16] <Kamion> bramme: exact differences too long to list
[08:16] <Seveas> ant the kernel is 2.6.10
[08:16] <Kamion> although there's http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/ if you want ALL THE DETAIL :-)
[08:16] <jeroen_> Anyone here who uses Breezy? Is it usable?
[08:17] <jbailey> jeroen_: Depends what you're looking for as 'usable'
[08:17] <Dethread> jeroen_, not yet...wait two months or so
[08:17] <jeroen_> just for messing around with
[08:17] <clausme> hello
[08:17] <clausme> can you help me
[08:17] <jeroen_> I mean stable enough to not crash for moving the cursor
[08:17] <Kamion> clausme: wait a moment please
[08:17] <jbailey> jeroen_: Given that the kickoff meeting was yesterday, the only instabilities so far have been toolchain.  You're going to see a pile of stuff going in very shortly that will be quite destabilising.
[08:17] <bramme> Kamion,  that 're a lot of details :p
[08:18] <klimit> Question: Is there any package for burning CDs and DVDs other than GnomeBaker?
[08:18] <jeroen_> jbailey: alright; can I get certain packages from Breezy without updating my system?
[08:18] <bramme> so ubuntu is really better than debian ?
[08:18] <Seveas> clausme, just hang on, i'm trying to find the error
[08:18] <clausme> k
[08:18] <dabaSlon> clausme: dont be so impatient, are you in a hurry?
[08:18] <Seveas> jeroen_, read the manual on apt pinning :)
[08:18] <jbailey> jeroen_: Depeneds on the dependancy fun.
[08:18] <clausme> no
[08:18] <krat3r> is there anyway of adding this repositorie to apt-get in ubuntu? "deb http://debian.meebey.net/ ./ "
[08:18] <Kamion> bramme: you won't get an unbiased answer here :-)
[08:18] <dabaSlon> clausme: haha, cool
[08:18] <mishof> why doesnt this work (from shell): for i in `seq 1 10`; do echo $i done
[08:18] <goofrider> bramme: it's more focused than debian
[08:18] <jbailey> jeroen_: There's a newer glibc and gcc, so that'll pull in much of the potential for major trouble right there.
[08:18] <jeroen_> jbailey: just the new wesnoth. Shouldn't be a problem
[08:18] <Seveas> clausme, sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[08:19] <Seveas> that solved it for me
[08:19] <goofrider> shorter release cycle
[08:19] <Kamion> Seveas: he doesn't have archive.ubuntu.com uncommented in sources.list
[08:19] <Seveas> hmm
[08:19] <mindspore> is there a way to get xscreensaver package from net instead of cd-rom.. seems to be corrupted on cd
[08:19] <Seveas> clausme, so listen to kamion and uncomment it :)
[08:20] <Fator_Dee> mindspore: just install them through apt-get or synaptic
[08:20] <Seveas> mindspore, remove the cdrom from your sources.list
[08:20] <Kamion> clausme: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:20] <mindspore> Seveas: thx
[08:20] <Kamion> clausme: you want to turn on the 'main' component of archive.ubuntu.com
[08:20] <klimit> Question: Is there any package for burning CDs and DVDs other than GnomeBaker?
[08:20] <mindspore> graveman
[08:20] <dabaSlon> clausme: type in cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste that into pastebin, in case you are not able to get it from the wiki...but, at least pretend for 10 minutes that you are reading it...
[08:20] <mindspore> err gravedigger
[08:21] <goofrider> mindspore: have u try downloading the DEB from the net and replace the corrupt one in /var/cache/apt-copier?
[08:21] <clausme> k
[08:21] <mindspore> goofrider: taking the cdrom out of sources.list worked. thx for the tip though
[08:21] <Seveas> klimit, k3b (for KDE)
[08:21] <Seveas> klimit, and nautilus
[08:24] <clausme> http://pastebin.com/282264
[08:24] <clausme> done it
[08:24] <clausme> i think
[08:24] <clausme> i done that
[08:24] <clausme> yesterday
[08:24] <clausme> and all seemms ok
[08:25] <clausme> look pls
[08:25] <clausme> and tell me what is the problem
[08:25] <dabaSlon> k, you ahve 3 of the same for one...
[08:25] <dabaSlon> remove duplicates...just to clear it up, then save it,
[08:25] <forsaker8k6> hi... how can i play some chess game online?
[08:26] <clausme> is is realy important that i don't have duplicates
[08:26] <clausme> ?
[08:26] <clausme> tritium said is not
[08:26] <dabaSlon> forsaker8k6: havce you looked in synaptic?
[08:26] <Seveas> omg clausme
[08:26] <bodaciousb> how do i restart smbfs/samba?
[08:26] <Seveas> you have all but the main section
[08:26] <goofrider> sudoo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[08:26] <clausme> can you put in pastebin what i must have
[08:26] <bodaciousb> thank you goof
[08:26] <forsaker8k6> dabaSlon, i searched for some chess program.. and i found gnome-chess or xboard with gnuchess..
[08:27] <Seveas> clausme, in line 5 of that file, change hoary-updates to hoaryt
[08:27] <tritium> clausme, it doesn't hurt anything, but there's also no reason to have duplicates
[08:27] <clausme> so can i opy and paste it into my source.lst
[08:27] <clausme> ?
[08:27] <forsaker8k6> but i can't find out how to play an online game
[08:27] <dabaSlon> google may know if noone here does...
[08:27] <Seveas> clausme, http://pastebin.com/282265
[08:28] <bodaciousb> goofrider, didnt work =(
[08:28] <forsaker8k6> dabaSlon, mmm... yes wise words :D
[08:28] <jon273> Why doesn't apache2 just go to index.html? I have to specifiy it
[08:28] <Seveas> jon273, check your config
[08:28] <Seveas> maybe you've disabled it
[08:28] <jon273> haha
[08:28] <jon273> thx
[08:29] <goofrider>  sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[08:29] <jon273> hm, i just deleted all the default index pages and created my own
[08:29] <dabaSlon> is it index.html? haha
[08:29] <dabaSlon> I guess it is...
[08:29] <bodaciousb> i have my samba shares in fstab... if my wife reboots her computer, i have to reboot linux to see them again, sudo mount -a will not work... how do i re mount thoes shares without a reboot?
[08:30] <Seveas> unmount them first
[08:30] <Seveas> and then mount -a
[08:31] <bodaciousb> sev ahh ok
[08:31] <Kamion> mishof: you're missing a ; after $i
[08:31] <WeirdAl> Uh, I might have missed the answer by wandering off, but can anyone tell me why lock screen doesn't work?
[08:31] <goofrider> i think mount -o remount /mnt/yoursamba/share
[08:31] <clausme> i have  modyfi
[08:31] <goofrider> should do...
[08:31] <clausme> the source.lst
[08:32] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install libncurses(whatever it was, I lost it)
[08:32] <dabaSlon> actually
[08:32] <jon273> yeah, i created index.html and i just get the "Seeing this instead of the website you expected..."
[08:32] <dabaSlon> first, sudo apt-get update first.
[08:33] <tritium> libncurses5-dev
[08:33] <dabaSlon> jon273: where is your index.html?
[08:33] <Seveas> jon273, your documentroot isn't specified correctly
[08:33] <dabaSlon> exactly.
[08:34] <mishof> Kamion, yeah ive noticed already, thanks anyway
[08:34] <jon273> documentroot is set to right dir with index file in. http://server just gets the apache page, http://server/index.html gets right page
[08:34] <dabaSlon> Or from another perspective, the index.html is not in the root directory.
[08:34] <Seveas> jon273, do you mind pasting your apache conf on ubuntu.pastein.com?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> what folder is it in, jon273
[08:35] <dabaSlon> oh, ok, sorry, jon273I get it now.
[08:36] <goofrider> jon273, http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex
[08:36] <jon273> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282269
[08:36] <dabaSlon> I have spyware, I swear.
[08:37] <Zen> hey all...  what do i do to find out what my cd record device is?  Im trying to use dvd::rip and i need to know what i is... or maby thats not the problem but basically every time i try to transcode from a dvd i get this error: libdvdread: couldn't find device name.
[08:37] <dabaSlon> or, some copany bought out al the sites that are not being used...interNIC.
[08:37] <WeirdAl> Zen, did you try boring old /cdrom?
[08:37] <Zen> aye
[08:37] <Zen> it doesnt work.
[08:37] <digitaltemper> Hello people
[08:37] <Zen> i still ge thte above error =(
[08:37] <Seveas> jon273, and the index.html is in /var/www/apache2-default?
[08:38] <digitaltemper> query /Filbert
[08:38] <digitaltemper> whoops lol
[08:38] <spektr> I have problems enabling DMA for my IDE disks on AMD-768 based system. hdparm -d1 /dev/hda says "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted". Any idea what could be missing? My kernel is linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7-smp
[08:39] <Seveas> spektr, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[08:39] <Seveas> you need to run it as root :)
[08:39] <spektr> Seveas: I did that
[08:39] <jon273> Seveas, yeah
[08:39] <Lizardking> hi there how is it that i cannot kill my X with ctrl+alt+bs, it keeps restarting
[08:39] <goofrider> jon273,  index.html should be in /var/www
[08:40] <jon273> ah
[08:40] <jon273> no
[08:40] <Seveas> goofrider, not according to his config...
[08:40] <jon273> cos Documentroot points to /var/www/apache2-default
[08:40] <WeirdAl> OMFG lock screen just decided it wanted to work.
[08:40] <WeirdAl> Right, crisis averted.
[08:40] <WeirdAl> Stand down red alert.
[08:40] <Seveas> Lizardking, because <ctrl><alt><bs> is meant to restart x
[08:40] <dabaSlon> jon273: and others working on this...his config file does not say anything about the indexes...
[08:40] <spektr> Seveas: the error message isn't about permissions; the kernel doesn't seems to be configured right. maybe a missing module
[08:41] <jon273> Do i need to specify that it should look for an index.html file?
[08:41] <Rubin> is there an X util which can watch for and kill windows with a certain title etc?
[08:41] <Seveas> spektr, or maybe your disks don;t support DMA :)
[08:41] <dabaSlon> jon273: it seems so, let me see here...
[08:41] <Seveas> dabaSlon, it does say so
[08:41] <spektr> Seveas: They did when I used suse ;)
[08:41] <goofrider> jon273, : well, add a DirectoryIndex in your config justin case
[08:41] <Seveas> it has option indices
[08:41] <dabaSlon> seveas, which part?
[08:41] <Lorenzo^> ciao
[08:42] <Lorenzo^> c' qualcuno che pu aiutarmi x piacere?
[08:42] <Seveas> dabaSlon, line 10
[08:42] <dabaSlon> options indexes?
[08:42] <goofrider> there should've been a default DirectoryIndex in apache2.conf that includes index.html though
[08:42] <Seveas> Lorenzo^, english please
[08:42] <dabaSlon> isnt that just to show an index of the directory?
[08:42] <Seveas> goofrider, indeed
[08:42] <Lorenzo^> yeah
[08:42] <goofrider> hey BTW
[08:42] <Lorenzo^> Seveas, i've just installed ubuntu 5.04
[08:42] <Lizardking> Seveas: how can shut down the X
[08:42] <Seveas> jon273, can you paste your *main* config too
[08:42] <gfxstyler> hey
[08:42] <Seveas> Lizardking, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:42] <Lorenzo^> but when i try to listen or to see something..i cannot
[08:42] <goofrider> /var/www/apache2-default is a HORRIBLE location for your files
[08:43] <Seveas> Lorenzo^, what do you mean?
[08:43] <goofrider> because the deufalt config has a bunch of rewrite rules
[08:43] <Lizardking> Seveas: thx dude
[08:43] <Lorenzo^> i can't listening or watching media files
[08:43] <Seveas> Lorenzo^, ah, common problem :)
[08:43] <gfxstyler> is it possible to customize the gtk/gnome themes (color, fonts) like the "windows-classic" themes on xp?
[08:43] <Lorenzo^> ehm..
[08:43] <Seveas> Lorenzo^, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:44] <goofrider> everything in /var/www/apache2-default is subjected to these rewrites (apache rewrite URLs ro show u the default page with the right language)
[08:44] <Lorenzo^> ok..
[08:44] <batkins_> wow, i just installed ubuntu for the first time.  pretty sweet.
[08:44] <jon273> Seveas, it't the ubuntu default, i just installed it
[08:44] <franklin50> I'll echo you batkins
[08:44] <dabaSlon> seveas: check out this pastebin... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282279 that is what I mean...
[08:44] <franklin50> I'm amazed.
[08:44] <Seveas> jon273, i never used apache on ubuntu so i don't know what it looks like, please paste it :)
[08:44] <goofrider> jon273, u changed the DocumentRoot though
[08:45] <goofrider> the default is /var/www, always
[08:45] <JGL> I'm having problems mounting network folders, can someone help?  I get msg "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock..."  when typing "sudo mount //192.168.0.153/music /mnt/music"
[08:45] <batkins_> franklin50: yeah everything just works
[08:45] <Seveas> dabaSlon, i know, that's why i asked for the main config :)
[08:45] <goofrider> jon273, move your index,html out of apache2-default
[08:45] <batkins_> the thing is, i have a vpn driver that needs to access the kernel source to compile itself, but it seems ubuntu doesnt come with source
[08:45] <Seveas> jgl try mount -t smbfs
[08:45] <Seveas> batkins_, it does
[08:45] <franklin50> batkins_: Oh, it is incredible.  Have you checked out the amazing guide at http://www.ubuntuguide.org?
[08:45] <goofrider> or just remove the RewriteMatch sections
[08:46] <jon273> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282281
[08:46] <batkins_> franklin50: nope but i will
[08:46] <dabaSlon> jon273: I use apache1...
[08:46] <batkins_> Seveas: oh cool.  where is it?
[08:46] <JGL> seveas: same result
[08:46] <gfxstyler> thx for nothing & bye
[08:46] <jon273> goofrider, to /var/www ?
[08:47] <keffo> argh, forgot how to install GDM-themes ;P
[08:47] <keffo> how? ;P
[08:47] <JGL> anyone?
[08:47] <keffo> found i
[08:47] <keffo> t
[08:47] <ohgood> keffo: doesn't gdm's setup list locations ?
[08:47] <batkins_> where is the kernel source kept?
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> ok so tag editing
[08:47] <dabaSlon> JGL: more info, that is just to open..
[08:47] <Seveas> jgl, do you mind if we talk in private?
[08:47] <tritium> batkins_, you have to install it first
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> some moron took all these CDS and put the album as the artist
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> and "CD Soundtracks" as the album
[08:48] <batkins_> tritium: ah ok
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> (so the genre as the album)
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> and I need to fix them
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> any clue?
[08:48] <batkins_> tritium: how? :)
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> rhythmbox refuses to alter id3 tags
[08:48] <tritium> batkins_, e.g., if you want the source to the kernel you're running, sudo apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r)
[08:48] <goofrider> jon273, yes to /var/www
[08:48] <JGL> dabaslon: what do you want to know?
[08:48] <ohgood> bluefoxicy: easytag ?
[08:48] <jon273> tried it, nowt
[08:48] <jon273> *same
[08:48] <dabaSlon> jgl, go with seveas, he knows more.
[08:48] <JGL> thnks
[08:48] <goofrider> jon273, did u change your documentroot too?
[08:49] <dabaSlon> Seveas: he has some line about it, I never seen the apache config files, so...
[08:49] <bluefoxicy> ohgood:  trying..  .
[08:49] <goofrider> and <directory "/var/www:>
[08:49] <batkins_> tritium: perfect thanks
[08:49] <tritium> batkins_, sure
[08:49] <goofrider> then restart apache2
[08:49] <dabaSlon> Seveas: I mean the apache2 conf.
[08:50] <jon273> goofrider, yeah, just treid that
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> ohgood:  very nice.
[08:50] <batkins_> tritium: it said it couldn't find the package
[08:50] <jon273> DocumentIndex index.html ? Can i just put that in my VirtualHost bit?
[08:50] <goofrider> DirectoryIndex index,html... is already in your apache2.conf
[08:50] <ohgood> bluefoxicy: agreed. hope it helps :)
[08:50] <batkins_> tritium: do i have to do something to get apt-get working?
[08:50] <dabaSlon> yeah, the directory index looks ok.
[08:50] <Zotnix> Having an issue with glx loading.
[08:50] <goofrider> so it's the locale rewrite rules in /var/www/apache2-default that's screwinh u up
[08:51] <Zotnix> It's not commented out in my xorg.conf at all.
[08:51] <Zotnix> I have load     glx
[08:51] <Zotnix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:51] <tritium> batkins_, ah, sorry, just get linux-source-2.6.10
[08:51] <Zotnix> Getting that though
[08:51] <alissah> is there any website with resources for someone who wants to setup a "ubuntu migration" meeting (that is, get a lot of people who are interested in ubuntu to bring their laptop to a meeting and have other people help them install it and teach them how to use it)?  i am looking for some HOWTO guide or printed materials...or just success stories.
[08:51] <ohgood> Zotnix: how about pasting your config to pastbin or something ?
[08:51] <goofrider> jon273, DirectoryIndex index.html... is ALREADY in your conf
[08:51] <Zotnix> ohgood: k
[08:51] <goofrider> line 202, apache2.conf
[08:51] <eflynn> ugh, why do some debian users have to be such assholes.  heh
[08:52] <dabaSlon> eflynn: full of themselves?
[08:52] <eflynn> dabaSlon, very much so
[08:52] <x_or> Anyone here use xfce 4.2 on ubuntu?
[08:52] <ohgood> eflynn: sorry, all users have assholes. it's just the anatomy thing getting you.
[08:52] <dabaSlon> eflynn: I noticed it as a common theme among many Zinux users.
[08:52] <dabaSlon> l\L
[08:53] <Seveas> ohgood, lol!
[08:53] <eflynn> i asked a question about dpkg, this guy tells me three times to do "man dpkg"
[08:53] <eflynn> like i haven't read that already...
[08:53] <eflynn> the man page
[08:53] <jon273> goofrider, ok. Wot else could it be?
[08:53] <dabaSlon> eflynn: here is an answer to your question...because debian users are also human, and some humans are what you said there, and there fore, it follows outof that, if you ahve any logic...
[08:54] <Seveas> eflynn, just read man dpkg
[08:54] <ohgood> eflynn: well. alot of folks just know the exact location by heart in the man page, and think it will be obviouse. then again, alot of folks that just 'rtfm'-you don't know jack either ;)
[08:54] <Seveas> ;)
[08:54] <Zotnix> http://pastebin.com/282286
[08:54] <Zotnix> My xorg.conf
[08:54] <ohgood> eflynn: hmm, that didn't go right...
[08:54] <ohgood> eflynn: i meant the folks that _say_ rtfm might not know jack :)
[08:54] <eflynn> ohgood, right, true
[08:55] <Seveas> eflynn, but did you get an answer?
[08:55] <goofrider> jon273,  did u move index.html to /var/www, chnage the conf, and restarted apache?
[08:55] <Zotnix> Wait a moment.
[08:55] <Zotnix> Does glx need to be GLX?
[08:55] <Zotnix> load GLX rather than glx  ?
[08:55] <ohgood> Zotnix: checking mine...
[08:55] <eflynn> like "This particular quirk of a certain program is so obvious I won't answer your damn question"
[08:55] <joe> anyone know if Civilization3 will run with WINE?   (or where i can get cedega?)
[08:55] <ohgood> Zotnix: glx is fine
[08:55] <ghais> ls
[08:55] <eflynn> Seveas, yeah it was about purging all packages that can be purged
[08:56] <jon273> goofrider, yeah, moved it, changed documentroot to /var/www and dd a restart - still the same
[08:56] <dabaSlon> jon273: do you have, or particularly want to use apache2?
[08:56] <mindspore> How can I install curl for php after installing php/apache via -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo
[08:56] <dabaSlon> instead oof just apache?
[08:56] <goofrider> i use apache2
[08:56] <jon273> wot's wrong with apache2?
[08:57] <dabaSlon> jon273: well, in your case...
[08:57] <goofrider> the apache2-default language rewrite rules are specific to apache2
[08:57] <jon273> i'm sure the fact that i'm using apache2 isn't the cause of the problem
[08:57] <ohgood> Zotnix: it looks fine. what errors do you have ?
[08:57] <dabaSlon> jon273: generally nothing, I just thought you could try that if all else fails.
[08:57] <Zotnix> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:57] <jon273> http://server/index.html works, but if i don't specify the page i just get that drfault apache2 start page...
[08:57] <Zotnix> That's all.
[08:57] <dabaSlon> jon273: I agree. Just wanted to give you an option.
[08:57] <Zotnix> When trying to run glxgears
[08:58] <Zotnix> Also glxinfo spits that out quite a bit as well.
[08:58] <ohgood> Zotnix: glxgears works though ?
[08:58] <dabaSlon> did you refresh?
[08:58] <dabaSlon> that sometimes happens to me...
[08:58] <Zotnix> ohgood: Nope
[08:58] <jon273> ok, thx. I had apache2 working on another server though, it's just a config issue which I can't quite trace
[08:58] <dabaSlon> :(
[08:58] <dabaSlon> clear cahce, and that...
[08:58] <ohgood> Zotnix: permissions on /dev/nvidia maybe, or have you: modprobe nvidia            yet ?
[08:58] <goofrider> jon273, but it shouldn't go to apache2-default
[08:59] <goofrider> u have the RedirectMatch line COMMENTED OUT!!!!!
[08:59] <Fackamato> hi all
[08:59] <Zotnix> ohgood: It's loaded. lsmod shows it. I didn't check permissions though
[08:59] <dabaSlon> hey Fackamato
[08:59] <Fackamato> I have a problem with Firefox - and forums
[08:59] <Fackamato> text in [code]  segments won't show
[08:59] <Fackamato> I have to select the text, copy and paste it into gedit for example
[08:59] <Zotnix> crw-rw----   1 root video   195,   0 2005-05-10 14:47 nvidia0
[08:59] <alissah> ok....no response, let me rephrase my question then: are there any people who are interested in promoting ubuntu in China? ubuntu
[08:59] <Fackamato> any ideas on that? :<
[08:59] <Fackamato> using firefox 1.03
[08:59] <Zotnix> crw-rw----   1 root video   195, 255 2005-05-10 14:47 nvidiact
[08:59] <jon273> goofrider, the documentroot for the dfault virtualhost should be /var/www ?
[08:59] <Zotnix> root gets the same issue.
[08:59] <goofrider> jon273, u sure there isn't any other conf parts in conf.d or sites-enabled that might be there, like a backup??
[09:00] <goofrider> jon273, yes. I changed your conf file
[09:00] <goofrider> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282289
[09:00] <dabaSlon> jon273: Make sure you did what I had said, the cache and that, sometimes that happens to me like that, although I am sure you did that, but just to be sure.
[09:00] <amaro> Where can I find gecko-sdk?
[09:00] <ohgood> Zotnix: iirc i chmod'd mine to 666 or something for all /dev/nvidia* then it worked fine
[09:00] <ohgood> Zotnix: or it's a pam thing. can't remember exactly
[09:01] <goofrider> jon273, but like I said,     "#RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/"  <--- you had it commented out
[09:01] <goofrider> so it shouldn't have redirected u at all
[09:01] <jon273> omfg
[09:01] <jon273> it was the cache
[09:01] <dabaSlon> yeah, sometimes that happens..
[09:01] <goofrider> cache?
[09:01] <Amaranth> crimsun: ?
[09:01] <dabaSlon> that is normal, jon273, who would haveg thought of that....
[09:01] <dabaSlon> but, a skilled troubleshooter...
[09:01] <dabaSlon> lol
[09:01] <goofrider> LMAO
[09:01] <jon273> goofrider, firefox had cached the old apache page and wasn't giving me the ew one
[09:01] <goofrider> your browser cache?
[09:02] <kikillo> hello guys
[09:02] <klimit> Any CD writing programs other than gnomebaker???
[09:02] <goofrider> LMAO
[09:02] <mindspore> how do i install the CURL extension after installing apache2/php4 via -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PHPDevelopmentHowTo
[09:02] <ohgood> klimit: k3b
[09:02] <kikillo> i have ubuntu
[09:02] <goofrider> it's all good
[09:02] <dabaSlon> im not lmao, cause I had that happen so many times...
[09:02] <Juhaz> graveman
[09:02] <mindspore> nautilus
[09:02] <comforteagle> trying to install ndiswrapper drivers for ubuntu on PPC: getting "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture powerpc does not appear in package's list" when "make deb".
[09:02] <dabaSlon> jon273: sweet, issue resolved.
[09:02] <jon273> Cheers people, for persevering
[09:02] <klimit> ohgood: this would install kde, won't it?
[09:03] <Zotnix> ohgood: think I found my problem.
[09:03] <dabaSlon> jon273: AS iF I have anything better to do, Im waiting for my laundry to dry, so I can dress finally.
[09:03] <ohgood> klimit: oh i dunno. maybe the kde-base or whatever. k3b > *  for cd/dvd gui-ness imho
[09:03] <timmow> can anyone reccomend a good wireless mouse/keyboard?
[09:03] <timmow> that works with ubuntu
[09:03] <ohgood> Zotnix: ya ?
[09:03] <dabaSlon> apple bluetooth wireless mouse.
[09:03] <dabaSlon> I use that.
[09:03] <goofrider> the ones u own... just cut the cords.. voila!
[09:03] <dabaSlon> :-p
[09:03] <ohgood> later
[09:04] <goofrider> LMAO
[09:04] <jon273> lol
[09:04] <goofrider> :)
[09:04] <Seveas> timmow, any wireless kb/mouse that connects via ps2 will work
[09:04] <Seveas> most usb ones too
[09:04] <klimit> Any CD writing programs other than gnomebaker???
[09:04] <goofrider> timmow, the Logitech bluetooth ones are pretty good as well
[09:04] <dabaSlon> they told you that...
[09:04] <Seveas> timmow, i never had a single problem with logitech/microsoft/dell/labtec
[09:04] <dabaSlon> klimit: they answered that,.
[09:04] <timmow> yea its a laptop so has to be usb
[09:04] <goofrider> i get get the kbd/mse in a bundle
[09:04] <dabaSlon> scroll up o the first time you asked.
[09:05] <timmow> do they interfere if you don't?
[09:05] <dabaSlon> klimit: or maybe that was someone else..
[09:06] <paul_> i'm trying to install a vpn driver that needs access to the linux source, so i installed "linux-source-2.6.8.1".  but when i tried to compile the driver, it threw a ton of errors.  should i install linux-headers?  and if so, what version/
[09:06] <dabaSlon> klimit: can you apt-cache search for it? or synaptic search?
[09:06] <Seveas> linux-headers-`uname -r`-$YOUR_ARCH
[09:06] <goofrider> paul_,  that's not even the right kernel version for hoary
[09:06] <paul_> goofrider, i think i'm on warty
[09:07] <goofrider> oh ok
[09:07] <goofrider> u'll need headers
[09:07] <Seveas> wait, skip the -$YOUR_ARCHm that's in the uname, d'oh
[09:07] <paul_> Seveas, thanks
[09:07] <paul_> Seveas, all right
[09:07] <Seveas> paul_, and you don't need linux source
[09:07] <goofrider> what VPN driver is that? is there a DEB version?
[09:07] <Seveas> just the headers will do :)
[09:07] <n4cht> has anyone had problems with gnome freaking out after changing fonts?  gnome-panel, etc crash randomly now after i changed my fonts around, and i can't reset them to default.
[09:07] <paul_> goofrider, cisco vpn
[09:07] <paul_> Seveas, oh ok
[09:08] <nnonix> I installed then later removed apache2 using apt-get and now see errors on shutdown saying "ep: /etc/apache2/* no file found" Anyone point me in the right direction?
[09:08] <goofrider> oh yeah.. u'll probly need to comile it yourself... LOL
[09:08] <goofrider> but would this work?   "vpnc - Cisco-compatible VPN client"
[09:09] <paul_> Seveas, where do the kernel headers get installed?  /usr/src/linux or somewhere else?
[09:09] <Seveas> /usr/src/linux it is
[09:09] <goofrider> nnonix, maybe u need to remove apache2-*
[09:09] <goofrider> apache2 is just a virtual package
[09:09] <n4cht> what's the gnome default font?
[09:10] <goofrider> apt-get remove apache2 probly does virtually nothing
[09:10] <dabaSlon> Seveas: did you catch what the issue with apache2 was?
[09:10] <stas> hi
[09:10] <dabaSlon> yo
[09:10] <stas> Does CD emulatiot exist for ubuntu?
[09:10] <stas> I need to mount my clonecd
[09:10] <ggross> you can mount iso
[09:10] <stas> bin/cue
[09:10] <stas> nrg
[09:10] <stas> cdi
[09:10] <dabaSlon> what like mounting a iso without burning it?
[09:11] <stas> etc images
[09:11] <goofrider> stas, u mean like mounting the ISO?
[09:11] <stas> yeah
[09:11] <dabaSlon> yup
[09:11] <stas> like daemon tools
[09:11] <goofrider> just mount it as a loopback
[09:11] <stas> I tried
[09:11] <nnonix> goofrider: yes, there are several apache2 turds on my system.
[09:11] <stas> it doesn't work at all for anything but the most basic formats
[09:11] <goofrider> nnonix, remove them all
[09:11] <jon273> now, to figure out how to get apache2 ssl goin
[09:11] <jon273> ..
[09:11] <stas> I need mds/mdf, and clonecd
[09:12] <goofrider> stas, it shouldn't work on anything but ISO 9660 Mode 1 2048 type ISo
[09:12] <dabaSlon> Seveas: did you catch that?
[09:12] <stas> I can't even figure out how to burn them
[09:12] <dabaSlon> jon273: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ is a good place to start if noone here knows.
[09:12] <Seveas> jon273, install the correct module, create a certificate and config :)
[09:12] <goofrider> jon273, : I link u to it b4
[09:12] <stas> goofrider unfortunately no cd images I have use that
[09:13] <stas> except for maybe ubuntu cd image
[09:13] <stas> ;p
[09:13] <dabaSlon> stas: there are instructions on ubuntuguide.org, should we send him there, guys?
[09:13] <jon273> does apt have the module? or do i have to do it *shudder* manually?
[09:13] <stas> I couldn't find anything for clonecd...
[09:13] <neighborlee> how do I install something from CDROM ?
[09:13] <stas> or for Media Descriptor files...
[09:13] <stas> (.mds+.mdf)
[09:14] <dabaSlon> stas: this page may have it: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofileswithoutburning .
[09:14] <stas> I don't need to mount any ISO files though
[09:14] <stas> ;\
[09:14] <dabaSlon> neighborlee: what is on the cd?
[09:14] <dabaSlon> ok.
[09:15] <stas> I have cd images in different formats
[09:15] <stas> bin/cue
[09:15] <stas> ccd/sub/cue
[09:15] <stas> mds/mdf
[09:15] <stas> nrg
[09:15] <stas> cdi
[09:15] <goofrider> they're just image formats though
[09:15] <stas> but no ISO!
[09:15] <Seveas> neighborlee, it simply depends on what it is: a debfile, raw sourcecode, or an installer
[09:15] <goofrider> what INSIDE the images?
[09:15] <stas> that method on the site
[09:15] <neighborlee> dabaSlon, well I borked system sadly by installing a gimp .deb from a link at gimp.org ( needed to try newer version) and now two broken packages are causing major systemwide borkage LOL..so I need to install some packages from cdrom to fix I thinik
[09:15] <stas> I tried it -- it won't work for these
[09:15] <stas> games, mostly ;p
[09:15] <laurent_> salut as tous
[09:15] <neighborlee> Seveas, deb. packages yeah
[09:15] <stas> vcds
[09:15] <goofrider> stas, are they games (with data and red book audio)///
[09:16] <goofrider> are they mode 1 data or mode 2 ?
[09:16] <Seveas> neighborlee, have you already removed the faulty gimp?
[09:16] <stas> I don't know what redbook audio is
[09:16] <nnonix> goofrider: That did it, thanks a bunch!
[09:16] <stas> I have no idea
[09:16] <laurent_> quelqu'un parle le franais
[09:16] <stas> on windows I would use Alcohol 120%
[09:16] <amaro> jeu parle un pue de francais
[09:16] <stas> I used it to mount Sims 2
[09:16] <amaro> lol
[09:16] <Seveas> laurent_, #ubunt-fr
[09:16] <stas> dvd images
[09:16] <laurent_> je debute sous linux
[09:17] <stas> and to burn dreamcast games (they come on cdi an nrg images)
[09:17] <jackass> i need help. where can i find "codecs" to musik and video player?
[09:17] <stas> I've no clue how to do any of those on linux
[09:17] <Seveas> laurent_, on parle anglais ici, les gens de #ubuntu-fr parlent anglais
[09:17] <stas> except for ISOs
[09:17] <stas> but I have no use for that, since there are no isos ;|
[09:17] <laurent_> et voudrais bien que quelqu'un puisse m'expliquer comment installer un logiciel
[09:17] <neighborlee> Seveas, not possible..it wants to remove tons of packages along with it
[09:17] <sabmann> moh
[09:18] <Seveas> neighborlee, ouch
[09:18] <neighborlee> Seveas, heh yeah
[09:18] <laurent_> moi ne parle pas du tout l'anglais desoler
[09:18] <tritium> laurent_, #ubuntu-fr
[09:18] <neighborlee> Seveas, I saw no warnings initially so I thought nothing of it
[09:18] <dabaSlon> jackass: you can read about restricted formats at wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[09:18] <Choubaka> Ok.
[09:18] <goofrider> stas, maybe u should get Nero for Linux
[09:19] <Choubaka> I want to create a virtual font that uses a specific font for Japanese characters and another for western characters.
[09:19] <Seveas> neighborlee, well the only way i konw of is simply letting it uninstall all the things and reinstall it later by installing ubuntu-desktop
[09:19] <stas> ok
[09:19] <Choubaka> it ought to be possible
[09:19] <stas> will it help me mount images?
[09:19] <Choubaka> but how exactly is it done?
[09:19] <neighborlee> Seveas, there is no way to force apt-get to install something from cdrom ? ;-)
[09:19] <neighborlee> Seveas, if not yeah prob.
[09:20] <Seveas> neighborlee, not if the version on cd is lower (iirc)
[09:20] <goofrider> stas, found this
[09:20] <goofrider> http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/
[09:20] <dabaSlon> jackass: got it? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ there is a wiki search link, then search restrictedformats, or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:20] <neighborlee> Seveas, ah ok
[09:20] <goofrider> stas, that should be what u need
[09:21] <ivoks> \sh in the end, money was ok :)
[09:21] <amaro> Ubuntu Garlic
[09:21] <amaro> :)
[09:22] <goofrider> "CDemu was first created to support bin/cue images. Ideally, we'd like to be able to support Nero (.nrg), Disc Juggler (.cdi), Clone CD (.ccd), etc."
[09:22] <dabaSlon> ivoks, what does that post mean?
[09:23] <Seveas> neighborlee, try dpkg -r gimp (or whataver the packagename was)
[09:23] <ivoks> wrong group
[09:23] <dabaSlon> k
[09:24] <goofrider> stas, u still there?
[09:24] <neighborlee> Seveas, ok
[09:24] <goofrider> stas, there's a list of more ISO/NRG/CCD tools for Linux  http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/User:Phobie:Newbies
[09:26] <goofrider> and http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/index.php/Conversion_Tools
[09:26] <ivoks> does anyone has wifi here?
[09:26] <crimsun> I do
[09:26] <Zen> hey all.. any idea where i can get the divx codecs?
[09:26] <ivoks> crimsun on linux?
[09:26] <crimsun> Zen: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:26] <crimsun> ivoks: yep.
[09:26] <Fackamato> I have a problem with Firefox - and forums
[09:26] <Fackamato> text in [code]  segments won't show
[09:26] <Fackamato> any ideas on that? :<
[09:26] <Fackamato> using firefox 1.03
[09:27] <Fackamato> I have to select the text, copy and paste it into gedit for example
[09:27] <ivoks> crimsun is it ok that signal level is -something?
[09:27] <neighborlee> Seveas, it worked for gimp but im synatpic still says 'two' broken packages even though to fix it wants to remove TONS of things <G>
[09:27] <ivoks> crimsun like: Signal level=-51 dBm
[09:27] <neighborlee> Seveas, I think your sollution is becoming increasingly like reality ;-))
[09:27] <crimsun> ivoks: yep
[09:27] <tritium> ivoks, yes, negative values in dB are ok
[09:27] <crimsun> Link Quality=77/100  Signal level=-48 dBm  Noise level=-76 dBm
[09:27] <Seveas> neighborlee, can you paste the error on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[09:27] <ivoks> crimsun ok, can you help me debug something?
[09:27] <neighborlee> Seveas, sure
[09:28] <crimsun> ivoks: I can attempt to
[09:28] <Zen> ok i have a prob
[09:28] <crimsun> ivoks: I've only been using 802.11 for a few days
[09:28] <Zen> im trying to transcode a dvd and when i try i get an error message saying that it cant find the divx plugin
[09:28] <ivoks> crimsun ok... i created http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/wifi-radar_1.9.3-1_i386.deb package for ubuntu
[09:28] <Zen> its a linux program
[09:28] <Zen> called dvdrip
[09:28] <Zen> thanks if anyone knows the solution
[09:28] <ivoks> crimsun it works ok, but signal level isn't displayed well
[09:29] <goofrider> neighborlee, u can do apt-get install gimp=3.4.5ubuntu1
[09:29] <Fator_Dee> Zen: have you installed w32codecs?
[09:29] <goofrider> and it'll specific the exact version, downgrade if neccessary
[09:29] <Zen> Fator: Yeah
[09:29] <neighborlee> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282301
[09:29] <ivoks> crimsun you should check out /etc/wifi-radar.conf if you are going to install it
[09:29] <Zen> but ill check again
[09:29] <Razor-X> whey
[09:29] <dabaSlon> Zen: and you did what crimsun just said?
[09:29] <crimsun> ivoks: try looking at the network monitor applet's source
[09:30] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: whi!
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> Zen: and paths to them are right on the dvdrip preferences?
[09:30] <Razor-X> what's a good program to try and recover possible borken hard drives (ip possible)?
[09:30] <Razor-X> *if
[09:30] <ivoks> crimsun it's python?
[09:30] <Seveas> neighborlee, run dpkg -r on gimp-data
[09:30] <Razor-X> I heard it is slightly possible, and a friend's HDD just broke
[09:30] <Fator_Dee> if that program has preferences, but I at least guess so :-p
[09:30] <Razor-X> (i'm at school by the way, so my time is limited)
[09:30] <Zen> Fator.. WHat would those paths be?
[09:30] <Seveas> neighborlee, and please disable all non-ubuntu sources in your sources.list
[09:31] <amaro> What's i686?
[09:31] <amaro> pentium 4?
[09:31] <goofrider> or apt-get install gimp-data=2.2.2-1ubuntu5
[09:31] <crimsun> ivoks: nope
[09:31] <Zen> Fator_Dee.. what would the paths be? Does anyone here have that program?
[09:32] <Razor-X> can't wait to get back to my Ubuntu box, I used Ubuntu for about... 2 minutes yesterday, and that's it
[09:32] <Razor-X> and, does the default kernel in Ubuntu come ready to write to NTFS?
[09:32] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: no.
[09:32] <ggross> Razor-X : not yet
[09:32] <dabaSlon> Razor-X: as for the hdd repair tool, nope.
[09:33] <dabaSlon> I dont know of any.
[09:33] <dabaSlon> Im about to fix one, though, so I may nknow in a few hours.
[09:33] <jon273> yeah, kewl
[09:33] <Zen> anybody here?
[09:33] <jackass> i cant install things in /usr/local/ becuse it says i'm not the owner., where to change?
[09:33] <ivoks> doh... c :)
[09:33] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[09:33] <dabaSlon> jackass: did you read what I posted?
[09:33] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: ahhh, ok
[09:33] <shido6> Package libotr1-bin is not configured yet.
[09:33] <ghais> hu guys, when i try to mount my usb usin mount /dev/sda or sda1 it gives an error that says can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or mtab
[09:33] <Seveas> jackass, instal it as root...
[09:34] <dabaSlon> jackass: how are you installing?
[09:34] <Seveas> ghais, try pmount /dev/sda
[09:34] <REBELinBLUE> has anyone been able to get Rythmbox to play m4a files?
[09:34] <jon273> If anybody ever wants a nice quick howto about setting apache2 up with ssl, bookmark this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4466.html Fourth port for apache2, third for apache1
[09:34] <Razor-X> il'l just use PMagic reading/writing in the meantime
[09:34] <crimsun> REBELinBLUE: yes
[09:34] <REBELinBLUE> I have installered gstreamer-faad
[09:34] <Razor-X> *i'll
[09:34] <REBELinBLUE> *installed
[09:34] <REBELinBLUE> is there something else I need to do?
[09:35] <crimsun> REBELinBLUE: rb needs to be made aware of m4as
[09:35] <crimsun> REBELinBLUE: that requires source changes
[09:35] <dabaSlon> I ue xmms, and xmms has a package for mp4s, is there an equialent for rhytmbox?
[09:35] <crimsun> dabaSlon: not yet
[09:35] <Zen> im trying to transcode a dvd and when i try i get an error message saying that it cant find the divx plugin.. anybody got a fix?
[09:35] <jackass> as root, i'll se
[09:35] <REBELinBLUE> the ubuntu wiki says you just need to install gstreamer-faad
[09:35] <REBELinBLUE> o_O
[09:36] <dabaSlon> crimsun: hi, I was totally ripping you off last night...every time someone came back and said"that worked" I was like, "Excellent"...and stuff.
[09:36] <crimsun> hehe
[09:36] <dabaSlon> REBELinBLUE: Either modify the source, I guess, or, get xmms, and it has a plugin for mp4s.
[09:36] <Zen> rebelinblue: Were you talking to me?
[09:37] <dabaSlon> You may need to change the default plugin in xmms to esound, through properties, to get it to not freeze when you pklay.
[09:37] <dabaSlon> Zen: no he was not,
[09:37] <REBELinBLUE> yes I know about xmms
[09:37] <dabaSlon> REBELinBLUE: ok, cool, you have an alternative,
[09:37] <Zen> damn.. so does noone here know about a divx plugin for dvdrip?
[09:38] <dabaSlon> it is illegal, for one...
[09:38] <goofrider> ffmpeg?
[09:38] <goofrider> libavcodec?
[09:38] <dabaSlon> haha...
[09:38] <REBELinBLUE> but one of the reasons I switched from fedora to ubuntu was because the wiki says https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats you can play AAC files in rhythmbox by simply installing gstreamer0.8-faad
[09:38] <dabaSlon> haha we fooled another one;)
[09:38] <goofrider> ROTFL
[09:38] <REBELinBLUE> :p
[09:39] <Seveas> if you like xmms, consider beep-media-player too
[09:39] <Seveas> it's a gtk2 port of xmms
[09:39] <Seveas> much nicer :)
[09:39] <crimsun> a number of other players can play m4a. I use kaffeine and amarok with gstreamer0.8-faad
[09:39] <Lathiat> muine is nice too
[09:39] <ivoks> crimsun haha a bug in program
[09:39] <ivoks> crimsun look at this:
[09:39] <CarlK> I have an nvidia card, I have the nvidia-glx/kernel packages installed - how can I tell if they are being used?
[09:39] <eflynn> Seveas, my only complaint with beep is that it doesn't have "add directory" like xmms does :-0
[09:40] <Fator_Dee> CarlK: glxinfo | grep direct, if it's on, good
[09:40] <crimsun> CarlK: /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[09:40] <Lathiat> eflynn: yeh it does
[09:40] <REBELinBLUE> I tried beep but it doesn't play AAC support without a patch and I really can't be bothered downloading the 18mb of dev files needed to add the patch
[09:40] <eflynn> Lathiat, where
[09:40] <Lathiat> let me check
[09:40] <necorium> i need to edit some files but when i type 'edit /etc/modules' it says stuff like 'Warning:unknown mime -type for /etc/modules error: no edit mailcap rules found for type application/*' any ideas?
[09:40] <crimsun> REBELinBLUE: I'm working on that. It should be available in Breezy.
[09:40] <Lathiat> i prefer rhythmbox myself
[09:40] <CarlK> cat: /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status: No such file or directory
[09:41] <Lathiat> altho lack of software EQ is annoying
[09:41] <clausme> hello
[09:41] <clausme> problem
[09:41] <Lathiat> CarlK: have you updated your xorg.conf?
 i prefer rhythmbox myself <--- yes same here
[09:41] <clausme> over here
[09:41] <dabaSlon> necorium: tried sudo that>
[09:41] <necorium> hmmm i think so
[09:41] <necorium> let me go try
[09:41] <Lathiat> muine is nice
[09:42] <dabaSlon> oh yeah, bmp is a nice little program.
[09:42] <dabaSlon> pretty...
[09:42] <Lathiat> but the lack of a random option after exhausting the queue is annoying
[09:42] <eflynn> clausme, Try asking a question caveman
[09:42] <Lathiat> not that rhythmbox has a queue
[09:42] <clausme> hecking for X... no
[09:42] <clausme> checking for Qt... ls: /lib/libqt*: No such file or directory
[09:42] <clausme> /usr/lib/libqthreads.so.12  /usr/lib/libqthreads.so.12.3.0
[09:42] <clausme> no
[09:42] <clausme> configure: error: "Qt library is required to compile VyQChat!"
[09:42] <clausme> clausme@clausme:~/tot/vyq/vyqchat-0.2.7$
[09:42] <clausme> this is the qouestion
[09:42] <Seveas> clausme, please don't paste here!
[09:42] <Lathiat> eflynn: just selec tit
[09:42] <Lathiat> eflynn: in add files
[09:42] <dabaSlon> clausme: we told you abnout pastebin, already...
[09:42] <clausme> now is to late
[09:42] <clausme> i know
[09:42] <Lathiat> eflynn: just click the directory (dont open it, select it in the parent directory) and hit add
[09:42] <dabaSlon> its harder to read ehre.
[09:42] <ggross> in order to make OpenGL executable, wich lib does i neeD ?
[09:42] <eflynn> Lathiat, hmm lemme try
[09:42] <clausme> now i've done it
[09:43] <clausme> can you help pls
[09:43] <Seveas> clausme, install the libqt3-dev package
[09:43] <clausme> from where
[09:43] <dabaSlon> sudo apt-get install lib....
[09:43] <Lathiat> ggross: what do you mean make opengl executable
[09:43] <clausme> k
[09:43] <Seveas> from synaptic
[09:43] <Lathiat> ggross: opengl is a library used by other programs
[09:43] <Seveas> or apt-get
[09:43] <dabaSlon> or synaptic, right.
[09:43] <crimsun> (libqt3-mt-dev, at least, which replaces libqt3-dev)
[09:43] <dabaSlon> Synaptic is a nice GUI.
[09:44] <eflynn> crap, now it doesn't start
[09:44] <dabaSlon> clausme: read what crimsun said.
[09:44] <crimsun> (you'll probably need libqt3-compat-headers, too)
[09:44] <clausme> k
[09:44] <crimsun> (and you probably need to set the Qtdir path)
[09:44] <ggross> well ... how to translate ? i mean a C# prog which use GLU et GL ?
[09:44] <dabaSlon> eflynn: what was taht caveman part about?
[09:44] <neighborlee> Seveas, I removed gimp and gimp-data but my problems persist ;-))heh
[09:44] <eflynn> dabaSlon, lol, in reference to what clausme said
[09:45] <Seveas> neighborlee, please post the updated error message then, and we'll take the next step :)
[09:45] <neighborlee> okj
[09:46] <neighborlee> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282307 < there ya go
[09:47] <Seveas> neighborlee, dpkr -r libfontconfig1 and dpkg -r libfontconfig1-dev
[09:47] <Seveas> they are still pestering :)
[09:47] <neighborlee> he yeah
[09:47] <neighborlee> k trying
[09:48] <neighborlee> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282308 < getting uglier LOL
[09:49] <neighborlee> Seveas, ouch strike that one
[09:49] <Seveas> whoopsie
[09:50] <Seveas> neighborlee, some diagnostic info: paste the output of dpkg -l | grep libfontconfig1
[09:50] <karill> py
[09:50] <dabaSlon> eflynn: you sure thats not the same as the man reference?
[09:50] <neighborlee> Seveas, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/282310 < yup...there that one is fine
[09:50] <ivoks> crimsun hm... what's best signal level?
[09:50] <neighborlee> Seveas, k one sec
[09:51] <dabaSlon> ivoks: best signal level ins the optimal level of a signal:-p
[09:51] <ivoks> crimsun is -50 better than -70? :)
[09:51] <dabaSlon> the best one, on the other hand...
[09:52] <tritium> ivoks, the closer to 0 the better
[09:52] <ivoks> ok
[09:52] <eflynn> dabaSlon, how do you mean?
[09:52] <tritium> ivoks, that would be full signal (1.0), and 10*log10(1) = 0
[09:53] <dabaSlon> eflynn: nothing, fro\\iorget it, jj...
[09:54] <ivoks> tritium then... ok signal is beetween 0 and... 60?
[09:54] <tritium> ivoks, yes
[09:55] <mxr> can someone help with an graphics driver issue?
[09:55] <CarlK> Lathiat - the only thing I did was click around in synaptic, but I think it will update xorg.conf
[09:55] <Lathiat> CarlK: right
[09:55] <tritium> ivoks, positive values are even better
[09:55] <Lathiat> CarlK: you need to sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:56] <Lathiat> carlk: and change "nv" to "nvidia"
[09:56] <Lathiat> CarlK: then logout, and press control-alt-backspace to restart X
[09:56] <ivoks> i give up :)
[09:56] <Lathiat> CarlK: also, you need the linux-restricted-modules-386 package installed
[09:56] <ivoks> if signal == 0 then return signal_best_pb?
[09:56] <tritium> CarlK, you might use "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" instead
[09:56] <CarlK> woa.. glxinfo -display :0.0... bunch of stuff, Segmentation fault
[09:56] <Lathiat> CarlK: (or -686, -k7 if you have installed an ubuntu  kernel other than the default)
[09:56] <ivoks> >= 0
[09:57] <kratz> How can i find my windows partiton from my ubuntu? I really need help
[09:57] <Lathiat> CarlK: yeh that wont work till you do the changes i said
[09:57] <Lathiat> kratz: hi kratz
[09:57] <CarlK> Lathiat - but segfault?
[09:57] <tritium> ivoks, query me
[09:57] <Razor-X> Kubuntu doesen't have Firefox in it's menus....
[09:57] <Lathiat> carlk: yeh, sucks :)
[09:57] <ivoks> tritium ?
[09:57] <Razor-X> but, I can open it from the terminal, rgiht?
[09:57] <Lathiat> kratz: Is mounting your windows partition all you need help with? (or do you have some other problems)
[09:57] <kratz> lathiat :hi^
[09:57] <sparkling> sera
[09:58] <kratz> lathiat :i have lots of problems..
[09:58] <Lathiat> kratz: ok, lets start at the begging, whats the most important problem you have?
[09:58] <Riddell> Razor-X: kubuntu doesn't come with firefox
[09:58] <anethema> dont use k7 etc to install restricted modules!
[09:58] <anethema> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[09:58] <anethema> this will install the proper version
[09:59] <Lathiat> anethema: theres an idea, i never thought of that
[09:59] <kratz> lathiat :the network... cant find other coputers... i cant use "make" command..
[09:59] <Lathiat> kratz: ok, so we'll solve those two things
[09:59] <Lathiat> kratz: What are you trying to compile with "make"
[09:59] <batkins_> to get software suspend working, do i have to build my own kernel?
[09:59] <batkins_> i'm on warty
[09:59] <mxr> I have a S3 TwisterK running with the savage driver currently, however have some issues while playing xvid. seems like hardware accel is not working properly. please PM me if someone can help
[10:00] <jackass> Need help.. Can't get any text in the Terminal.
[10:00] <Lathiat> jackass: Can you please describe your problem more clearly
[10:00] <Lathiat> batkins_: It is supported in hoary, i don't think it was on warty tho
[10:00] <larsrohdin> jackass, do you have a keyboard?
[10:00] <hhurtta> how can i search for a package containing a file with a specific pattern. Like in mandrake one uses command urpmf --file pattern
[10:00] <kratz> lathiat :Install graphic samba... gnombe
[10:00] <jackass> yes
[10:00] <jackass> it have been working
[10:00] <larsrohdin> =)
[10:00] <Lathiat> hhurtta: dpkg -S <pattern>
[10:00] <hhurtta> Lathiat: thanks
[10:01] <Lathiat> kratz: ping
[10:01] <batkins_> Lathiat: is it simple to upgrade from warty to hoary
[10:01] <kratz> lathiat :I?
[10:01] <anethema> very simple
[10:01] <anethema> incredibly simple
[10:01] <anethema> hehe
[10:01] <Lathiat> kratz: sorry just read
[10:01] <Lathiat> kratz: ok, if you want to install programs in ubuntu
[10:01] <jackass> i open the terminal window then when i press the keyboard the letter came up but it dissipare right away
[10:01] <Lathiat> kratz: you shoudl first go system->administration->synaptic package manager
[10:02] <Lathiat> kratz: This lets you install ubuntu packages, that will work much better than if you compile them yourself
[10:03] <Lathiat> kratz: if you want to browse other computers o the network
[10:03] <jackass> Lathiat? are you talking to me?
[10:03] <Seveas> batkins_: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:03] <phil__> hi
[10:03] <jackass> Need help.. Can't get any text in the Terminal.
[10:03] <Lathiat> kratz: You can choose places->network, wait a bit and they should appear (You may also have to look under windows servers)
[10:03] <rj_> is it true there are sabayon packages being built for breezy?
[10:03] <kratz> lathiat :okej? i have updated my pakages, and added "wine" packeges... but then, i dont understand more what to do... im a total newbie^^
[10:03] <phil__> ich hab da n prob.
[10:03] <jackass> Need help.. Can't get any text in the Terminal.
[10:04] <Lathiat> kratz: ok so you do a search for wine
[10:04] <phil__> das hat ja kein sinn hier
[10:04] <kratz> lathiat :there is nothing under windows servers... its total emty..
[10:04] <Lathiat> kratz: then you can click on the little icon and hit mark for installation
[10:04] <jackass> Need help.. Can't get any text in the Terminal.
[10:04] <Lathiat> kratz: and then press apply on the toolbar, and it will intsall it
[10:04] <bhna> phil__: #ubuntu-de
[10:04] <Lathiat> kratz: have you waited? (it takes a minute to come up)
[10:04] <phil__> or alt f4 lol
[10:04] <Lathiat> kratz: installing the samba package might help (but it shoudl work)
[10:04] <kratz> lathiat :i ve done tath allready..
[10:04] <Lathiat> kratz: right, you ahve to use wine from the command line
[10:05] <batkins_> Seveas: wow
[10:05] <Lathiat> kratz: cd into the directory with the windows program you want
[10:05] <Lathiat> kratz: and run "wine program.exe"
[10:05] <kratz> lathiat :okey... okey^ i l try that
[10:05] <wie> hi folks
[10:05] <jackass> Need help.. Can't get any text in the Terminal.
[10:05] <Lathiat> kratz: be aware that unfortunately, wine doesnt run everything
[10:05] <Lathiat> and will probably fail
[10:06] <Lathiat> jackass: What are you trying to do
[10:06] <Lathiat> jackass: can you type in other applications ?
[10:06] <wie> what mp3 player for gnome 2.10 ? (xmms won work !?) pls. help
[10:06] <jackass> im trying to get sound on my soundtracks and movie but i can't do it when my terminal dosen't work
[10:06] <kratz> lathiat :yeah, i know. but i shall give it a try:D
[10:06] <jackass> i open the terminal window then when i press the keyboard the letter came up but it dissipare right away
[10:06] <Lathiat> wie: to fix xmms
[10:06] <Seveas> wie, totem, beep, rhythmbox
[10:06] <Seveas> xmms can be fixed too
[10:06] <anethema> beep
[10:06] <Lathiat> wie: open preferences, udner output choose the 'esound' output plugin
[10:06] <anethema> xmms SUCKS compared to beep
[10:06] <Lathiat> wie: also, try muine, rhythmbox, beep-media-player
[10:07] <anethema> beep-media-player
[10:07] <anethema> thats what you want forsure.
[10:07] <factorx> beep sucks compared to amarok
[10:07] <anethema> dont even bother with xmms
[10:07] <anethema> so buggy
[10:07] <Lathiat> muine and rhythmbox will just work
[10:07] <anethema> amarok ?
[10:07] <anethema> is it xmms-like ?
[10:07] <factorx> no
[10:07] <Lathiat> beep-media-player needs configuration too.
[10:07] <anethema> winamp-like ?
[10:07] <factorx> no
[10:07] <jackass> yes i can write in other applications
[10:07] <Lathiat> anethema: beep-media-player is very much like xmms/winamp
[10:07] <anethema> Lathiat, i know thats what i want
[10:07] <anethema> its liek xmms
[10:07] <Lathiat> jackass: how do you open the terminal, and what do you see and waht happens
[10:07] <anethema> but not half as buggy or slow.
[10:07] <wie> ok, i will try beep ! thanks
[10:07] <Lathiat> slow is debatable
[10:08] <factorx> http://amarok.kde.org/index.php?set_albumName=Screenshots&option=com_gallery&Itemid=60&include=view_album.php
[10:08] <factorx> for amarok screenshots
[10:08] <anethema> xmms is much slower seeking and stuff than beep
[10:08] <anethema> ah its a kde prog
[10:08] <spektr> DMA works now... I inserted amd74xx as first module into /etc/modules. Before I did that, the module had been loaded automatically, too, but it didn't work. Hmmm....
[10:08] <Lathiat> yeh but due to gtk2, some dialogs are slower loading
[10:08] <jackass> program/system tools/terminal
[10:08] <Lathiat> like the up dialog
[10:08] <batkins_> Seveas: thanks
[10:08] <anethema> i need my col stuff like using the J key to filter for songs
[10:08] <anethema> cool
[10:09] <anethema> it does look pretty tho
[10:09] <anethema> plus, beep uses winamp classic skins
[10:09] <anethema> there are millions of those
[10:09] <anethema> ehh
[10:09] <anethema> heh
[10:09] <jackass> and when the terminal comes up it's like normal like it was from the beginnig
[10:09] <jackass> white
[10:09] <anethema> eugh white terminal
[10:09] <anethema> hahah damnit
[10:10] <anethema> i, will, get. used to! it...did i use those right ?
[10:10] <anethema> doh!
[10:10] <Lathiat> jackass: what is on screen
[10:10] <tritium> anethema, heh
[10:10] <anethema> damn ive been  helping necorium for like a week now getting isdn working
[10:10] <jackass> do you mea what else folders or what else on the Terminal screen?
[10:10] <anethema> its NOT easy when he has no net connection in linux haha
[10:11] <Lathiat> jackass: what on the terminal screen
[10:11] <factorx> sorry for off-topic but does anybody know where to get sound-absorbing cellular material? :)
[10:11] <factorx> foam
[10:11] <ggross> yeah ... bought eggs boxes
[10:11] <jackass> nothing it's white
[10:12] <Lathiat> jackass: doesnt have "username@host:~$" up in the top left hand cofner?
[10:12] <factorx> eggs boxes aren't efficient enough
[10:12] <t35t0r> I've got the following wireless device: ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no) | ndiswrapper: driver bcmwl5 (Broadcom,10/20/2004, 3.70.22.0) loaded ..and i'm trying to use wpa_supplicant to connect to my router, but whenever I try to connect manually I get this error: /root# wpa_supplicant -dd -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -Dndiswrapper | Failed to initialize EAPOL state machines. ..this same driver in winxp works with wpa-psk ..any ideas
[10:12] <t35t0r>  what's wrong?
[10:12] <Lathiat> factorx: no but i could suggest nto making any noise. :)
[10:12] <jackass> gonna check*
[10:12] <internet1> Hello, i lost my password, how can i restore it^
[10:12] <Lathiat> internet1: Your user password?
[10:12] <internet1> yes
[10:12] <internet1> after the installation
[10:12] <Lathiat> internet1: when you boot
[10:12] <internet1> i haventt a root yet
[10:12] <factorx> Lathiat: it isn't me who makes the noise, it's my sister ;)
[10:12] <anethema> http://ubuntuguide.org/#changerootpasswordforgotten
[10:12] <anethema> follow that
[10:13] <Lathiat> ugh
[10:13] <Lathiat> thats bad
[10:13] <jackass> noo
[10:13] <Lathiat> ubuntuguide is the suck
[10:13] <Lathiat> internet1: please ignore that
[10:13] <anethema> no way
[10:13] <Lathiat> internet1: when you boot up, select the 'recovery' option (you may have to hit scape to get the menu)
[10:13] <Lathiat> internet1: then when it loads, type "passwd username"
[10:13] <TMM> t35t0r: short answer: ndiswrapper isn't perfect, long answer, google :) ndiswrapper is VERY unsported by most people, and most people want to stay the hell away from it. I only use it on one machine myself, because the wifi is integrated in the laptop, and I'm thinking about just putting in a supported chip.
[10:13] <anethema> thats exactly what it says to do Lathiat, jeeze
[10:13] <Lathiat> internt1: and you can enter a new password, after that, type reboot and it should work fine.
[10:13] <t35t0r> TMM: google was no help
[10:13] <anethema> maybe you need to take a look at it too :)
[10:14] <Lathiat> anethema: sure but it also recommends changing the root password
[10:14] <anethema> no
[10:14] <anethema> its saying IF you forget your root password
[10:14] <anethema> the if is important
[10:14] <t35t0r> TMM, ndiswrapper works fine with WEP
[10:14] <TMM> t35t0r: ndiswrapper is only for the really desperate... if you can, buy another wifi card, with proper NATIVE support.
[10:14] <t35t0r> TMM, pfff
[10:14] <Lathiat> which is confusin
[10:14] <Lathiat> g
[10:14] <Amaranth> oh, i'm supposed to be helping people or something now :)
[10:14] <Lathiat> and then theyll read the rest of that damn page. :)
[10:14] <TMM> t35t0r: just trying to help, sorry.
[10:14] <Lathiat> which has some good advice but too much bad stuff :\
[10:14] <jackass> i don't have any jackass ....... it's gone top
[10:14] <jackass> too*
[10:14] <anethema> ubuntu guide solves about 95 percent of the peoples questions in this channel that ive seen asked
[10:14] <tritium> Lathiat, agreed!
[10:14] <anethema> a couple programs on there though
[10:14] <Amaranth> Lathiat: What happened to you getting ops?
[10:15] <Lathiat> anethema: doesnt mean it solves them right
[10:15] <anethema> that dont use the recommended method
[10:15] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i think i shoudl wait...
[10:15] <Lathiat> Amaranth: till im a member and stuff
[10:15] <Amaranth> ah
[10:15] <Lathiat> Amaranth: and a little more visibly involved
[10:15] <Amaranth> i'm not a member
[10:15] <Lathiat> which im in the process of getting
[10:15] <Amaranth> oh, i think i've got that part down :)
[10:15] <Lathiat> heh
[10:15] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:15] <AirWays> When I put apt-get install amule terminal says: amule packet not found etc
[10:15] <Lathiat> AirWays: You may need to enable the universe archive
[10:15] <anethema> AirWays, did you add the extra repositories?
[10:15] <Lathiat> AirWays: Are you running hoary?
[10:16] <anethema> universe or perhaps multiverse, wherever it happens to be
[10:16] <AirWays> Yeah Hoary
[10:16] <jackass> lathiat??
[10:16] <Lathiat> AirWays: go into system->administration->synaptic package manager
[10:16] <AirWays> Should I edit sources.lisT?
[10:16] <AirWays> Okay
[10:16] <franklin50> What is the difference between universe and multiverse?
[10:16] <Lathiat> AirWays: settings->repostiroies, add, select universe
[10:16] <TMM> t35t0r: the fact that a driver works with something in winxp, doesn't mean that ndiswrapper implements all that behaviour from windows. Ndiswrapper is basically a reimplementation of part of the windows NT kernel, and a bunch of userland stuff... it's not just a 'loader for windows drivers' it does a lot.
[10:16] <Lathiat> AirWays: ok to everything and reload the package list
[10:17] <Lathiat> franklin50: multiverse includes programs that are 'non-free'
[10:17] <tritium> franklin50, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[10:17] <internet1> hello again, im trying but hi have a powerpoc
[10:17] <franklin50> Ah, thanks!
[10:17] <internet1> so i haven't grub but yaboot
[10:17] <Lathiat> jackass: have you tried rebooting?
[10:17] <anethema> wish multiverse had a JRE deb in it
[10:17] <anethema> its not 'free' libre
[10:17] <internet1> if i use resce i have image not founds also from cd
[10:17] <tritium> anethema, easy as heck to build one with java-package
[10:17] <anethema> oh i meant to ask you about that tritium
[10:17] <internet1> im trying to login without knowing password
[10:17] <Lathiat> internet1: Nah you can do it as part of your normal boot process
[10:17] <anethema> i installed java-package
[10:17] <Lathiat> internet1: reboot the computer
[10:17] <anethema> whats the command to get it going?
[10:18] <Lathiat> internet1: when it first loads, it counts down from 3 to 1
[10:18] <Lathiat> internet1: at that point hit escape and a menu comes up
[10:18] <internet1> i'l try
[10:18] <Lathiat> internet1: choose the second option which is "Ubuntu, .... (recovery)"
[10:18] <tritium> anethema, see the docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package.  The command is make-jpkg, if I recall correctly.
[10:18] <Lathiat> internet1: then when it loads, password username
[10:18] <Lathiat> internet1: then reboot
[10:18] <t35t0r> TMM, http://sial.org/pbot/10058 my wpa_supplicant.conf
[10:19] <jackass> lathiat: Yes i have tryed to reboot
[10:19] <AirWays> Oh
[10:19] <AirWays> Thanks
[10:19] <Lathiat> jackass: Weird, have you made any changes to your system?
[10:19] <anethema> ok im gonna make one
[10:19] <anethema> wonder how to best uninstall the BIN that i used to install it
[10:19] <TMM> t35t0r: looking at it...
[10:20] <internet1> Lathiat, i have the first menu ask me if i want to boot cd linux or macosx
[10:20] <internet1> what shoulkd i choose?
[10:21] <internet1> i remember im using yaboot not grub
[10:21] <Lathiat> internet1: Oh you are on powerpc?
[10:21] <Lathiat> umm
[10:21] <internet1> using esc doesn't work
[10:21] <internet1> yes
[10:21] <Lathiat> im not sure if they add a recovery option
[10:21] <Lathiat> internet1: can you edit the kernel paramters?
[10:21] <internet1> no it doesnt
[10:21] <Lathiat> internet1: somehow?
[10:21] <Lathiat> internet1: if so, add 's' to the end and boot with that
[10:21] <Lathiat> lilo does this by typing 'linux s', no idea on yaboot
[10:22] <TMM> t35t0r: you got all the hostap stuff installed?
[10:22] <internet1> i'll try linux s
[10:22] <Lathiat> internet1: Sorry, when asking for help, you should state that you are using powerpc
[10:23] <Lathiat> internet1: (didnt think to ask)
[10:23] <t35t0r> TMM, i had hostap-utils installed but its only for prism
[10:23] <t35t0r> TMM, when i tried hostap-diag wlan0 it said it couldn't find prism chipset
[10:23] <TMM> hmmm... I guess that makes sense yeah :)
[10:23] <TMM> sorry, didn't sleep last night :)
[10:24] <bnc220> lu all
[10:24] <TMM> t35t0r: what version of wpa_supplicant are you running?
[10:25] <t35t0r> TMM, 0.4.0
[10:25] <clausme> hello
[10:25] <clausme> help pls http://pastebin.com/282332
[10:25] <clausme> i have sent the link
[10:25] <clausme> pls somone help
[10:26] <clausme> tell ,me what to do
[10:26] <Lathiat> clausme: hang on
[10:26] <clausme> http://pastebin.com/282332
[10:26] <clausme> k
[10:26] <Lathiat> clausme: install the 'libsndfile1-dev' package
[10:27] <clausme> k
[10:27] <Lathiat> clausme: also
[10:27] <clausme> what
[10:27] <Lathiat> clausme: libqt3-dev
[10:27] <clausme> that i instaled
[10:27] <larsrohdin> ok, i really still suck at this irc-thing... but if i want to join "quakenet random UK server", my friend told me to join that... how do i do that?
[10:27] <TMM> t35t0r: sorry, you got me then... I dont think it's related to ndiswrapper afterall... it looks like ndiswrapper should be supported just fine by wpa_supplicant...
[10:28] <crimsun> Lathiat: libqt3-dev is actually obsoleted
[10:28] <Lathiat> crimsun: mt-dev?
[10:28] <TMM> t35t0r: I'd try the mailing list if I where you
[10:28] <crimsun> libqt3-mt-dev and ..compat-headers should be used instead, and qtdir probably needs to be passed to configure
[10:28] <Lathiat> i hate qt
[10:28] <TMM> Lathiat: that's a bold statement :)
[10:28] <Lathiat> gnome shit just compiles when the packages are installed.
[10:29] <Lathiat> crimsun: apt-get install libqt3-dev- libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-compat-headers
[10:29] <Lathiat> erghh
[10:29] <Lathiat> clausme: run sudo apt-get install libqt3-dev- libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-compat-headers
[10:29] <clausme> k
[10:29] <TMM> [t35t0r] : I'd try the mailing list if I where you
[10:29] <larsrohdin> i know how to join a channel, but how do i join a different network?
[10:30] <Lathiat> larsrohdin: what client?
[10:30] <larsrohdin> Lathiat, x-chat
[10:30] <Lathiat> larsrohdin: open the server list and open a new connection
[10:30] <Lathiat> larsrohdin: select 'connect in new tab' instead of connect
[10:31] <Fackamato> I have a problem with Firefox - and forums, text within [code]  segments doesn't show, any ideas why?
[10:31] <Lathiat> clausme: it should work then
[10:31] <Lathiat> I have to goto bed
[10:31] <[t35t0r] > TMM, i will ultimately ..but first i'll try downgrading to 0.3.8
[10:31] <larsrohdin> Lathiat, i still come into ubuntu
[10:31] <jesper__> I have a problem with keyboard shortcuts for xmms - is this the right place to ask about it?
[10:31] <larsrohdin> now im here double=)
[10:31] <Lathiat> clausme: Someone else should be able to help if it still doesnt work, as I have to leave
[10:31] <Lathiat> larsrohdin: so select a different network :)
[10:32] <JeTi> Anyone got time (& patience) to help a newbie with some JRE problems in Firefox? :)
[10:32] <clausme> done that
[10:32] <clausme> same eror
[10:32] <Gatton> larsrohdin you could just type /server servername and that should connect. assuming you know the name of the server you want
[10:32] <Lathiat> clausme: ugh.
[10:32] <TMM> [t35t0r] : sorry, good luck!
[10:32] <larsrohdin> Lathiat, yeah but if i choose quakenet, i don't ge to uk random something that my friend said... i get to some other quakenet thing
[10:33] <Lathiat> larsrohdin: should be the same thing.
[10:33] <Gatton> larsrohdin: it probably doesn't matter. the uk random just connects you to a random uk server. any quakenet server should work
[10:33] <Lathiat> larsrohdin: if not, x-chat->new->server tab and /server <address> where <address> is irc.quakenet.org or whatever
[10:33] <larsrohdin> ok...
[10:33] <clausme> hello
[10:33] <clausme> helppls
[10:35] <clausme> help pls http://pastebin.com/282340
[10:36] <clausme> can someone help me
[10:36] <clausme> help pls http://pastebin.com/282340
[10:36] <resiak> clausme: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev ?
[10:36] <clausme> donew that
[10:36] <karill> g
[10:36] <Burgundavia> clausme, what are you trying to compile?
[10:37] <clausme> a program
[10:37] <clausme> vyqat
[10:37] <clausme> vyqchat
[10:37] <Burgundavia> not in the repos?
[10:37] <clausme> is a lan chat program
[10:37] <Lathiat> nah i checked
[10:37] <clausme> i thin is not in the repositoris
[10:38] <clausme> my whole friends got it
[10:38] <clausme> i was sick and tierd
[10:38] <clausme> of windows
[10:38] <Burgundavia> clausme, http://www.vmpbg.com/victor/
[10:38] <clausme> and try linux
[10:38] <Burgundavia> clausme, debian packages
[10:38] <clausme> wich one
[10:39] <Burgundavia> package for Debian gnu/linuk
[10:39] <Burgundavia> linux even
[10:39] <BigJG> So what does everyone prefer for word processors?
[10:39] <clausme> how do i run them
[10:39] <clausme> ?
[10:39] <Lathiat> BigJG: abiword, oo.o2
[10:39] <BigJG> dpkg -i (filename)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> download it
[10:39] <lewiz> BigJG: For most stuff Abiword is far better than OOo.
[10:39] <clausme> done it
[10:39] <Burgundavia> 'sudo dpkg -i blah.deb'
[10:39] <BigJG> i was thinkin bout abiword
[10:39] <BigJG> does it load alot faster?
[10:39] <Lathiat> es
[10:39] <Lathiat> yes
[10:39] <Burgundavia> BigJG, abiword is very nice
[10:39] <Lathiat> it loads in <1 second usually
[10:39] <BigJG> awesome thanks
[10:39] <Lathiat> on any good machine
[10:40] <BigJG> dayom nice
[10:40] <ggross> Thx for all ... i think it's a nearly good time to go to bed ;)
[10:40] <Lathiat> and is quite nice
[10:40] <ggross> good night all
[10:40] <Lathiat> it is time for me to goto bed
[10:40] <Lathiat> its 4:40 am
[10:40] <Lathiat> and i got uni at 10
[10:40] <Lathiat> hah
[10:40] <Seveas> goodnight
[10:40] <Lathiat> night.
[10:40] <BigJG> is there any sort of presentation software better than OOo's?
[10:40] <BigJG> UNI? as in iowa?
[10:40] <Burgundavia> BigJG, not really
[10:40] <Seveas> reminds me, i've gottat get out of bed in like 6 hours
[10:40] <Seveas> better go to sleep :_
[10:40] <Burgundavia> BigJG, it sucks, doesn't it?
[10:40] <tritium> BigJG: that depends on your needs.
[10:41] <JeTi> Can someone please help me? Having problems with Java Runtime and Firefox... :-/
[10:41] <BigJG> yea i was hoping it would have more support for animation
[10:41] <tritium> BigJG: if you want great mathematics typesetting, I like latex-beamer
[10:41] <BigJG> i dont even know what mathematics typesetting is so i probably dont need it yet :D
[10:41] <jesper__> I need help making keyboard shortcuts - can someone help me?
[10:41] <Absenth> anyone here able to give me a CLI string that will print to an LPD on a diffrent computer?
[10:42] <tritium> (prettier equations than in PowerPoint, oo.o)
[10:42] <Gatton> JeTi just throw your question out there. If someone can help they will :)
[10:42] <jesper__> i'm trying to control xmms with some keyboard shortcuts
[10:42] <Absenth> IE, I want to print to a printer connected to another workstation from the command line since neither pc has X
[10:42] <BigJG> Jesper : System / Preferences / Keyboard Shortcuts
[10:42] <jesper__> i have tried that
[10:42] <JeTi> Ok, I have installed JRE according to the Ubuntu Starter Guide (http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre) - and it seems to have installed allright...
[10:43] <jesper__> but it didn't work with xmms
[10:43] <JeTi> ... but even after a restart of Firefox the plugin still does not seem to be active. What can I be missing?
[10:43] <BigJG> ill check that out tritium thnx
[10:43] <clausme> root@clausme:/home/clausme # sudo dpkg -i vyqchat_0.2.7-2_i386.deb
[10:43] <clausme> Selecting previously deselected package vyqchat.
[10:43] <clausme> (Reading database ... 63004 files and directories currently installed.)
[10:43] <clausme> Unpacking vyqchat (from vyqchat_0.2.7-2_i386.deb) ...
[10:43] <clausme> Setting up vyqchat (0.2.7-2) ...
[10:43] <lewiz> Is it likely Hoary will see a kernel with an updated inotify?
[10:43] <clausme> now what
[10:43] <tritium> JeTi: ubuntuguide advice on jre is not the recommended approach
[10:43] <clausme> ?
[10:43] <BigJG> hmm i actually wouldnt mind some hotkeys for xmms too
[10:43] <resiak> clausme: Now run vyqchat ?
[10:43] <tritium> clausme: please don't paste here
[10:43] <clausme> how
[10:43] <JeTi> tritium: what then? :)
[10:43] <clausme> k
[10:43] <clausme> is easier
[10:44] <tritium> clausme: yes, but we've asked you politely not to do that
[10:44] <Burgundavia> clausme, type vyqchat
[10:44] <resiak> clausme: Stop hitting enter after every line. Type "vyqchat" and hit enter.
[10:44] <Gatton> JeTi: if you look in your .mozilla/plugins do you have libjavaplugin in there?
[10:44] <tritium> JeTi: to keep it under apt's package management, building your own .deb using java-package is preferrable
[10:45] <JeTi> I don't seem to have the plugin if I use the "about:plugins" in the Firefox address field...
[10:45] <JeTi> tritium: do you have an address for a walkthrough of that?
[10:45] <clausme> is vorking
[10:45] <clausme> thx
[10:46] <clausme> again and again
[10:47] <tritium> JeTi, Method 3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[10:48] <BigJG> tritium what desktop environment are you using?
[10:48] <BigJG> gnome?
[10:48] <JeTi> tritium: thanks, I will try that. I might get back to you, though ;-)
[10:48] <Gatton> JeTi: not sure. I went the manual route on sun's page. But tritium's suggestion is probably better
[10:48] <tritium> BigJG, yes
[10:49] <JeTi> tritium, Gatton: well, I have tried many methods so far, and a "java -version" works allright from the prompt, but just no Firefox plugin. But I will try this method... let's see :-)
[10:49] <tritium> JeTi, that's page is a tad outdated.  You shouldn't have to edit any files, and I don't believe you need java-common any longer
[10:51] <tritium> JeTi, basically, you can install java-package, and read its docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package
[10:52] <mark345> hi, i want to know if there is a way to eject a dvd simply by pressing the button on the drive?
[10:52] <mark345> without having to right click on the disc icon on the desktop and say, eject
[10:53] <xiaogil> hi
[10:53] <BigJG> hey :)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> mark345, some drives support that, and some don't
[10:53] <Burgundavia> mark345, so, probably no
[10:53] <mark345> ok
[10:53] <mark345> thanks
[10:54] <Fator_Dee> mark345: well, you could do a button that ejects the drive :-\
[10:54] <Fator_Dee> on the desktop/panel, I mean
[10:54] <lampshade> so, I installed vim-gnome or whatever, but it doesn't show up anywhere in the menus/panels on gnome.  I can run it with /usr/bin/gvim though?  What gives??  Did apt-get choke?
[10:54] <Fator_Dee> you'd save a one click of hassle with that :-)
[10:54] <mark345> what if i edit fstab
[10:54] <mark345> and change it from noauto to auto
[10:55] <BigJG> lampshade, i have had to reboot to get stuff to show up in the menus sometimes
[10:55] <franklin50> lampshade: You can install a menu editor: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[10:55] <tritium> lampshade, no, not every app has a proper menu entry that follows freedesktop.org standards
[10:55] <mark345> install smeg
[10:55] <mark345> its a great menu editor
[10:55] <mark345> if the "other" folder does not show up
[10:55] <mark345> add it
[10:55] <franklin50> lampshade: Or sometimes, kill gnome (ctr-alt-backspace)
[10:56] <mark345> that is a bug
[10:56] <shido6> what do i do to recover my mouse when I watch a movie with my dvd player - or when I run vmware
[10:56] <shido6> anytime I access my dvd to watch a movie, vlc, xine, totem my mouse dies
[10:57] <talmir> hello :) A new ubuntu user here. Are there any tips on using this? I am not that experienced with linux :)
[10:57] <mark345> talmir what is your question
[10:57] <franklin50> talmir: there is an amazing, simple guide at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:57] <lampshade> talmir, you can install programs quickly and easily with apt-get or synaptic.
[10:57] <talmir> apt get?
[10:58] <talmir> is that a portage system like in gentoo and freebsd?
[10:58] <t35t0r> TMM, ok so i got it to work with wpa_supplicant 0.3.8 there was something wrong with the 0.4.0 version, but now my question is ..is there anyway to specify the channel and frequency using wpa_supplicant so i can use an access point that has broadcast turned off (I was able to do this with iwconfig)
[10:58] <lampshade> yeah.  apt-get install programname most of the time will get you a program downloaded and installed.  Something I wish I'd had known about when I started.  Kinda like those, slightly different
[10:58] <Fator_Dee> talmir: it's something like that
[10:58] <BigJG> synaptic is a graphical frontend for apt-get which is in the System/Administration menu
[10:58] <mark345> I made some movies with adobe premiere pro in windows (avi) and they will not play in linux
[10:59] <mark345> any ideas as to what codecs i need?
[10:59] <lampshade> talmir, If you have wireless, go back to windows unless you are prepared to fight tooth and nail.  I've only heard of a couple people being sucessful out of the box with wireless.  The rest of the time you have to work at it.
[10:59] <mark345> gstreamer plays them but very choppy sound and slow motion
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> just explore ubuntu, look through all the configurations, try every program and so on :-)
[10:59] <BigJG> there is a windows codec package but i havent had any luck downloading it yet through synaptic
[10:59] <lampshade> mark345, you have all the w32codecs then?
[10:59] <mark345> xine or vlc will not play them at all
[10:59] <mark345> yes
[10:59] <BigJG> which is for mplayer
[10:59] <talmir> I'm not on wireless, everything seems to work fine
[10:59] <talmir> Thanks :D Great channel. I'm gonna play with this a bit.
[10:59] <devnull> is ubuntu missing sources for the xfc dev libs ?
[11:00] <mark345> anyone know of mplayer repositories for ubuntu?
[11:00] <BigJG> yea backports hold on
[11:00] <tritium> lampshade, wireless support is quite good
[11:00] <BigJG> i believe
[11:00] <clausme> hello
[11:00] <clausme> where do i get cedega for free
[11:00] <clausme> ?
[11:00] <eruin> it's payware
[11:00] <clausme> i know
[11:00] <clausme> i whant it free
[11:00] <BigJG> you can compile the CVS for free
[11:01] <eruin> anyone know how to copy a folder's content without any ".svn/" subfolders
[11:01] <Gatton> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:01] <Gatton> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[11:01] <Gatton> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:01] <clausme> cvs\
[11:01] <clausme> i can plsy counter strike on cvs
[11:01] <mark345> thanks ill try them
[11:01] <mindspore> when is breezy supposed to be released?
[11:01] <BigJG> www.franksplace.org
[11:01] <tritium> October
[11:01] <BigJG> i had to use the backports as well to get mplayer to install
[11:02] <mindspore> thx tritium
[11:02] <tritium> no problem
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> lampshade: it might seem to be a hassle to get the wireless working, because people come here for wireless problems, and not to say that they have enabled their wireless networks without a problem :-)
[11:02] <Fator_Dee> a trick of mind
[11:02] <BigJG> Is breezy supposed to be focusing on laptops?
[11:03] <mindspore> tritium: you wouldn't happen to know how i can load the CURL extension with apache2/php4?
[11:03] <talmir> Why does synaptic need the cd in the drive to install packages? (gcc and nasm)
[11:03] <tritium> mindspore, nope, sorry.
[11:03] <scorpix> BigJG: yes, laptops and bluetooth and wifi
[11:03] <mindspore> k
[11:03] <JDahl> how do you write ISOs to a CD-ROM with Gnome buildin CD/DVD Creator? I dragged an ISO to the CD and clicked "file->write to disc", but that created a CD with a file xxx.ISO, not an image
[11:03] <BigJG> awesome
[11:04] <BigJG> ahh yes that was another question i had, What is the best CD burning software for ISO images
[11:04] <Fator_Dee> JDahl: right click on iso -> write to disk
[11:04] <lampshade> Fator_Dee, I dunno, I worked with a wireless card once and it was a pain.  I know a lot of people in my lug have problems with it.  I am not sure whose fault it is, part of me suspects it is the lack of support from companies, but I can't blame them.  Linux just doesn't have the market share yet.  I just don't see it as much as I like linux
[11:04] <mindspore> JDah1: you should be able to right-click on the .iso and select burn from image.. or something simlar
[11:05] <BigJG> i had no problems setting up my wireless, but that was a prism chipset
[11:05] <scorpix> BigJG: i use xcdroast, but i don't think its the best :)
[11:05] <Fator_Dee> lampshade: of course it's the fault of companies
[11:05] <tritium> BigJG, there are several good ones.  graveman, gnomebaker, k3b
[11:05] <BigJG> thanks guys
[11:06] <JDahl> thanks, that did it! then I wont install xcdroast or k3b
[11:06] <clausme> hello
[11:06] <JeTi> JDahl: do we know each other? :-)
[11:06] <clausme> where can i get cedega for free
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> clausme: from cvs, or from places you have to look for yourself
[11:06] <t35t0r> clausme, its not free
[11:06] <talmir> Why does synaptic need the cd in the drive to install packages? (gcc and nasm)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> clausme, you can get the cvs for free
[11:06] <t35t0r> cvs is free?
[11:06] <t35t0r> hehe goodie
[11:06] <JDahl> JeTi, I actually think so!
[11:06] <Fator_Dee> cvs is free
[11:07] <clausme> i can plsy counter strike on cvs
[11:07] <clausme> ?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> talmir, you can comment out the cd
[11:07] <Burgundavia> clausme, no idea, this is probably not the best place to ask
[11:07] <lampshade> BigJG, mine was prism too, but it linux could not handle the encryption or something.  It would not work with encryption on.  I fought the battle for a whole month then sadly gave up.  A friend at school the other day threw in an ubuntu CD and it didn't get his wireless at all.  Cases like that.  I guess my belief is that linux is awesome server wise but shitty on desktops.
[11:07] <JeTi> JDahl: yep, your name sounds familiar to me :-) Still in Aalborg?
[11:07] <chavo> clausme, probably not
[11:07] <JDahl> JeTi, no.. California
[11:07] <lampshade> clausme, ummm cvs?  what?  like cvs as in the source code thing?
[11:07] <BigJG> if the packages are available on the cd then it goes to that before downloading, you can go into the repository section and tell it not to use the cdrom
[11:07] <JeTi> JDahl: business or pleasure? :-)
[11:07] <Gatton> clausme: you could try this page. just did a google on it so not sure how useful it is...
[11:07] <BigJG> clauseme, http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[11:07] <Gatton> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[11:08] <BigJG> lol
[11:08] <Gatton> oops
[11:08] <talmir> burgundavia : Ehm... Comment out?
[11:08] <lampshade> clausme, most people play counterstrike in linux using a windows emulator called WINE.  I don't know where they are in supporting the newest stuff, but the older stuff they had support for.
[11:08] <BigJG> nice one Gat
[11:08] <clausme> k
[11:08] <xiaogil> Imagine, I am in countryside, with now internet access at all. But I have a local web server on my computer, and a few friends that want to be able to log to it. Our computers all have wifi. How can I do that with my Ubuntu ?
[11:08] <BigJG> cedega is a revamped win
[11:08] <clausme> wine is free
[11:08] <clausme> ?
[11:08] <BigJG> err wine
[11:08] <Burgundavia> talmir, delete the cd from your sources.list, assuming you have good internet
[11:08] <Burgundavia> clausme, cedega is fork of wine
[11:08] <lampshade> talmir, I had to do that too, just comment it out or delete the cd line, usually the top, will say cdrom in it
[11:08] <chavo> clausme, do you want to play cs source?
[11:08] <BigJG> grr my ecks key isnt working
[11:09] <t35t0r> i thought cedega was not free wine is free
[11:09] <clausme> nii
[11:09] <clausme> counter strike 1.6
[11:09] <Burgundavia> t35t0r, cvs is free for cedega
[11:09] <BigJG> anyone know why my (ecks) key wouldnt be working?
[11:09] <chavo> it will run under wine, source won't
[11:09] <Burgundavia> t35t0r, which doesn't include some licenced stuff
[11:09] <talmir> cool, thanks
[11:09] <BigJG> brb gonna try killing gnome
[11:09] <clausme> i saw that debian is difrent
[11:09] <clausme> can i get win with arp-get
[11:09] <clausme> ?
[11:10] <mark345> gatton, you know how to fix the gpg error when updating sources list in synaptic?
[11:10] <chavo> clausme, yes
[11:10] <anethema> what would happen if you changed the debian repos to the ubuntu ones and did a apt-get update
[11:10] <clausme> can you give me the command pls
[11:10] <Gatton> mark345: sorry no. i just ignore it heh. still works
[11:10] <anethema> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:10] <lampshade> clausme, yes
[11:10] <clausme> to get wine
[11:10] <Aladdin> hi ya great masters   ;o)
[11:10] <anethema> sudo apt-get install wine
[11:10] <clausme> k
[11:10] <Gatton> mark345: i get that same error with apt-get. it asks me if i still want to install and i say yes. i assume synaptic will work the same
[11:10] <anethema> also should download..
[11:10] <Burgundavia> Gatton, what package
[11:11] <anethema> sudo apt-get install libwine-alsa
[11:11] <anethema> and
[11:11] <BigJG> oook much better
[11:11] <mark345> EVERYONE, what p2p programs do you favor?
[11:11] <anethema> sudo apt-get install winesetuptk
[11:11] <BigJG> i havent messed w/ p2p on linux yet
[11:11] <anethema> BigJG, azureus
[11:11] <anethema> heh
[11:11] <Gatton> Burgundavia: i think i was installing mplayer. not sure. it happens when i install from that marillat repository
[11:11] <Burgundavia> mark345, bittorrent?
[11:11] <lampshade> bittorrent if you consider it p2p
[11:11] <clausme> odc works
[11:11] <anethema> course its p2p
[11:11] <clausme> dc++
[11:11] <Burgundavia> Gatton, install the version from multiverse
[11:11] <anethema> by any defn
[11:11] <mark345> with search
[11:11] <clausme> works in linux
[11:11] <clausme> ?
[11:12] <BigJG> how do you search for stuff in bittorrent?
[11:12] <mark345> and linux
[11:12] <Burgundavia> Gatton, and drop marilliat for hoary-extras, part of the backports project
[11:12] <anethema> BigJG, go to isohunt.com
[11:12] <lampshade> I dunno I consider both p2p and client server.  Like an evil hybrid of the two
[11:12] <anethema> and search
[11:12] <anethema> yes
[11:12] <Gatton> Burgundavia: multiverse is new to me. i will have to add that to my sources list
[11:12] <BigJG> thanks anethema
[11:12] <anethema> the tracker is the server
[11:12] <anethema> and the client is the client
[11:12] <anethema> haha
[11:12] <Aladdin> OK. Here's for today's problem.  I installed pure-ftpd, j=hoping that it would be easier to config than proftpd (in which I just can't figure out how to configure an universal upload directory with restricted permissions)...
[11:12] <Gatton> Burgundavia: it's probably in the guide right? and i haven't read all of the guide yet :)
[11:12] <Burgundavia> Gatton, guide is evil, read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:13] <mindspore> uhmm, help... Zend Studio is telling me I don't have write permission to a folder within my home directory...
[11:13] <Gatton> Burgundavia: thanks i will :)
[11:13] <Aladdin> Si  now I get an error message:Unable to start a standalone server: Permission denied .
[11:13] <Aladdin> I did unsinstall proftpd
[11:13] <Aladdin> CAn anyone helP?
[11:14] <sbcl3_> does anyone know what the /opt folder is for?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> sbcl3_, stuff that you compile and install typically
[11:15] <Burgundavia> sbcl3_, so it doesn't pollute /usr, etc.
[11:15] <tritium> sbcl3_, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/
[11:15] <lampshade> guys my desktop owns.  I just thought you should know
[11:15] <lampshade> the wallpaper that is
[11:15] <mark345> EVERYONE, amule or xmule?
[11:15] <sbcl3_> i have to put my xampp server in /opt, so i thought that i might be able to move all my files there
[11:15] <sbcl3_> but i guess i'll just make a /sbcl3
[11:15] <Aladdin> mark345, amule
[11:16] <Aladdin> OK anybody with ftp server experience. need input!
[11:17] <BigJG> yea i would like to know some decent ftp server software as well, i used filezilla for windows
[11:17] <[blue] > hi
[11:17] <lampshade> Anyone know why apt-get install vim-gnome doesn't place a shortcut in your accessories or anything?  That's messed up......  I had to create my own damn launcher man :)
[11:17] <[blue] > hi all
[11:17] <franklin50> hi blue
[11:17] <tritium> lampshade, I explained that earlier
[11:17] <BigJG> hey blue
[11:18] <[blue] > i just installed ubuntu and is great.
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:18] <BigJG> yea i love it too blue
[11:18] <franklin50> blue: I completely agree
[11:18] <[blue] > but, i have a question.
[11:18] <talmir> j cpp
[11:18] <talmir> whoops
[11:18] <lampshade> tritium, really?  I must have /cleared or something.  Why?? I'm at your mercy
[11:18] <talmir> :P
[11:18] <[blue] > how do i enable my webcam
[11:18] <perv> Is here anyone from poland?;)
[11:18] <[blue] > ?
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> [blue] : welcome
[11:18] <BigJG> mmm havent messed w/ webcams yet
[11:18] <Aladdin> PING:     OK ANYBODY WITH FTP SERVER EXPERIENCE!
[11:18] <[mac] olsen> yeah i just installed ubuntu on an old ibook, runs great :)
[11:18] <clausme> how doi enable 5.1 in  ubuntu
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> [blue] : what kinda cam
[11:18] <clausme> ?
[11:18] <franklin50> how old an ibook?
[11:18] <tritium> Aladdin, please, don't yell
[11:18] <[mac] olsen> one of the first
[11:18] <[mac] olsen> Tangerine
[11:19] <BigJG> yea i was wondering about 5.1 for xmms playback as well
[11:19] <[mac] olsen> 300 MHZ G3
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> [mac] olsen: nice i have had it since wartu
[11:19] <franklin50> oooh, the ol clamshell!
[11:19] <clausme> 5.1
[11:19] <chavo> Aladdin, make sure your ftp server config is not in CAPS
[11:19] <franklin50> [mac] olsen: does wireless work ok?
[11:19] <clausme> i canot play 5.1
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> franklin50: cant be too old old worlds r not supported
[11:19] <chavo> I think your caps lock is sticking
[11:19] <Aladdin> chavo,  huh?
[11:19] <[mac] olsen> yepp clamshell
[11:19] <Aladdin> chavo,  huh?  oh... ok :o(
[11:19] <hybrid_goth> what color
[11:20] <tritium> lampshade, not all of the apps have menu entries that are compliant with freedesktop.org standards, which gnome 2.10 uses
[11:20] <[mac] olsen> tangerine (orange)
[11:20] <chavo> sorry Aladdin , just being sarcastic.
[11:20] <lampshade> tritium, ?  am I running gnome 2.10?
[11:20] <franklin50> [mac] olsen: nice, do you have wireless?
[11:20] <tritium> lamont, are you running hoary?
[11:20] <hybrid_goth> i got a g3 dual usb
[11:20] <lampshade> tritium, I thought the ubuntu default was 2.8?
[11:20] <[mac] olsen> not directly, got another 700 MHZ g3 iBook with AirPort
[11:20] <tritium> sorry, lampshade ^^^
[11:20] <Aladdin> chavo, yeah well I'm sorry... Can u assist me. This is an issue to me... :o|
[11:21] <lampshade> tritium, I honestly don't know which I'm running I always assumed 2.8 but haven't actually checked or anything
[11:21] <chavo> Aladdin, sorry, I've never set up an FTP server.
[11:21] <clausme> 5.1 promlem there is anyoane ele with this problem
[11:21] <clausme> help me solve it
[11:21] <tritium> lampshade, check System->About Gnome
[11:21] <lampshade> shit I am running 10
[11:21] <lampshade> wow
[11:21] <Aladdin> chavo, ok thx anyway :)
[11:21] <lampshade> hahaha  alright then
[11:21] <[mac] olsen> currently i am online iBook300 -> ibook700(oSX) -> AirPort -> RedHat9Box -> DSL
[11:21] <chavo> well I did for a little while, but it worked out of the box
[11:22] <BigJG> did you say you allready tried proftpd aladdin?
[11:22] <chavo> that was on my laptop running Mandrake, proftpd
[11:22] <franklin50> [mac] olsen: excellent!  I'll have to chuck ubuntu on the ol' blue clammy in the closet.
[11:22] <Aladdin> OK anybody with ftp server experience. I need help on either proftpd ou pere-ftpd configs.
[11:22] <Aladdin> OK anybody with ftp server experience. I need help on either proftpd ou pure-ftpd configs.
[11:22] <BigJG> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9181.html
[11:22] <Aladdin> sorry... misspelled
[11:23] <Aladdin> BigJG, that's for me?
[11:23] <lamont> tritium: I think so. :-)
[11:23] <BigJG> yea that shows an argument between pure-ftp and proftpd i havent read it all yet
[11:23] <tritium> lamont, sorry, that was meant for lampshade ;)
[11:23] <lamont> lampshade: hoary == gnome 2.10, warty== gnome 2.8
[11:24] <lamont> heh
[11:24] <Aladdin> BigJG, ah! ok.. I'll read it sometime. Do you have any experience in runnong an ftp server?
[11:24] <BigJG> only in windows
[11:24] <BigJG> not in linux yet  :(
[11:24] <BigJG> but thats high priority on my ubuntu list
[11:25] <[blue] > anyone here has a webcam workink on ubuntu ?
[11:25] <[mac] olsen> cya
[11:25] <Aladdin> BigJG, ok.  me too....   wanted tu run an efficient quotad, virtual user's, ftp... but guess nobody realy does that nowadays  :o(
[11:25] <Aladdin> on Ubuntu anyway
[11:26] <BigJG> yea thats exactly what i had w/ filezilla
[11:26] <Aladdin> filezilla?
[11:26] <BigJG> im going to be trying the proftpd w/ the webmin package as wel
[11:26] <Aladdin> dodes it work?
[11:26] <Aladdin> does it work?
[11:26] <BigJG> yea its an ftp server for windows i dont think there is a linux port
[11:26] <clausme> 5.1 sound problem anyoane knows how to solve it ?
[11:26] <Aladdin> oh sorry yeah I remember...
[11:27] <GattonAFK> lampshade: did you share a pic of your desktop or did i miss that?
[11:27] <devnull> is there a way to get the xfc through ubuntu ?
[11:27] <goldfish> xfce?
[11:27] <goldfish> hmmm.. nm.
[11:27] <BigJG> did you mean xfce devnull ?
[11:27] <munki> devnull apt-get install xfce4
[11:28] <devnull> i need the foundation classes
[11:28] <devnull> particularly libxfcui
[11:28] <Aladdin> BigJG, I've been trying to setup something like this since i've benn on Linux, almost did it with proftpd, but there's still a couple of hacks I gotta go trought ... :o/
[11:28] <devnull> i have xfce4 installed already aswell as all dev libs
[11:28] <devnull> i am building xfc from source now, but wondering if there was a package out there some where
[11:28] <BigJG> you having problems w/ the virtual user permissions aladdin?
[11:29] <dead^^> hi. how can i install programs on my Linux? i'm just noob who's just startin' with Ubuntu =)
[11:29] <Aladdin> BigJG, I got a proftpd.conf file that works ...   That is if u want an upload directory that is writable by all!  Menaing anybody can erase a file already uploaded...
[11:29] <franklin50> dead^^: Synaptic is your thing - it is a front end for apt-get, a package manager.
[11:30] <holycow> dead^^, system / admin / synaptic
[11:30] <BigJG> does proftpd support virtual users?
[11:30] <franklin50> dead^^: check out http://www.ubuntuguide.org - it is so simple.
[11:30] <sobersabre> skype problem here: the other party's replicating voice, "delay" effect, resonating one... what to do ?
[11:30] <franklin50> sobersabre: headphones
[11:30] <dead^^> thanks
[11:31] <sobersabre> i use headphones.
[11:31] <BigJG> lol yea probably picking up the speakers from the mic
[11:31] <Aladdin> BigJG, <you having problems w/ the virtual user permissions aladdin?> shit yeah!
[11:31] <BigJG> sometimes its on the other end too
[11:31] <franklin50> sobersabre: is it your voice coming back?
[11:31] <holycow> dead^^, come back in 20 years when you have actually managed to try all the software
[11:31] <holycow> :)
[11:31] <sobersabre> nomasteryoda, it is the other party's they use headphones too.
[11:31] <BigJG> ok i am waiting for the packages to install then ill see if i cant have any luck w/ it aladdin
[11:32] <Aladdin> BigJG, please include my nick in your messages.. I got difficulty to follow u
[11:32] <franklin50> sobersabre: stink.  those were my magic ideas.
[11:32] <BigJG> ok
[11:32] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help
[11:32] <franklin50> shadeofgrey: what's up?
[11:32] <Aladdin> BigJG, normally u just have to type the first few letters of my nick and then <TAB>
[11:33] <BigJG> Aladdin: ooh nice
[11:33] <shadeofgrey> if a program run through a terminal window says that its going to install to a directory called ~/EditPadPro -- where does that mean it put the files
[11:33] <Aladdin> BigJG, ok thx bg
[11:33] <BigJG> Aladdin: was that a whisper?
[11:33] <sbcl3_> if I make a folder rwxrwxrwx, will all folders made in it after that point be rwxrwxrwx as well?
[11:33] <franklin50> shadeofgrey: the tilde "~" refers to your home directory, so check in /home/you/Edit..
[11:33] <goldfish> dont think so
[11:34] <Aladdin> BigJG, dunno but it works!
[11:34] <BigJG> Aladdin: ok hehe
[11:34] <sbcl3_> goldfish: was that for my question?
[11:34] <shadeofgrey> okay where is a better place to put apps for ubuntu?
[11:34] <goldfish> sbcl3_: yep
[11:34] <sbcl3_> crap :(
[11:34] <goldfish> sbcl3_: do you want it to be?
[11:35] <sbcl3_> yes
[11:35] <dead^^> holycow: hey, i bet that you weren't so good with Linux on your first week =P
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> okay where is a better place to put apps for ubuntu?
[11:35] <franklin50> shadeofgrey: well, I'd first make sure that the software you want is in Synaptic (or apt-get if you like terminal stuff)
[11:35] <sbcl3_> i did "chmod 777 /directory -R
[11:35] <sbcl3_> should that work then?
[11:35] <[blue] > anyone knows how to enable an usb webcam on ubuntu?
[11:35] <goldfish> sbcl3_: well that will do it for everything in the directory.
[11:35] <shadeofgrey> franklin:  no its not.  its commercial software i bought.  i installed it before on my last ubuntu workstation and it worked fine
[11:36] <goldfish> sbcl3_: but if u make a new directory after the chmod, it wont have the permissions of the others.
[11:36] <Aladdin> BigJG, using Ubuntu's X-Caht anythiing u type to mw will be red now.. :)dunno but it works!
[11:36] <Aladdin> BigJG, oops
[11:36] <franklin50> shadeofgrey: hmm.. where does the company suggest installing it?
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> they dont
[11:36] <shadeofgrey> it doesnt matter
[11:36] <Abysmal> evening all.. I have a hardware question that is making me pull my hair out..I have a symbios uw-scsi card 53c875.. and I cant get the damn thing to boot after the harddrive  install..
[11:36] <BigJG> Aladdin: i am using the gaim port of irc, i wonder if it works w/ that
[11:36] <clausme> how do plsy a game with wine
[11:36] <clausme> ?
[11:37] <shadeofgrey> i just want to know....  typically - wheres a great place to install stuff that you download yourself?
[11:37] <franklin50> shadeofgrey: well, in your home directory is a fine place.
[11:37] <sbcl3_> goldfish: any way around that?
[11:37] <shadeofgrey> no.  i use home for storage of files like docs and such.  where are programs like openoffice and sucvh installed?
[11:37] <Aladdin> BigJG, does
[11:37] <FlyingSquirrel32> Where's that site with directions on creating packages
[11:38] <goldfish> sbcl3_: yea hold on
[11:38] <shadeofgrey> Flying:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:38] <Burgundavia> shadeofgrey, the rest of the filesystem should only be used for stuff you install out of synaptic
[11:38] <Dreamer3> ok
[11:38] <Dreamer3> i have an ibm thinkpad t22, can anyone point me in the right direction to get the hardware winish-modem working?
[11:40] <goldfish> sbcl3_: man uname
[11:40] <goldfish> sbcl3_: i dont know if u can do it for a particular directory though
[11:40] <Abysmal> anyone have any ideas??
[11:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> shadeofgrey, ubuntuguide is great, but I don't think it show how to make a .deb from source code
[11:40] <goldfish> sbcl3_: chmod -R is prolly the best thing to do.
[11:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> there's another guide that called something like packager's guide or something like that.
[11:41] <pinS> if i have firefox 1.0.2 shouldnt package manager have offered to install the latest update? 1.0.4
[11:41] <Dreamer3> pinS: no, hoary is frozen
[11:41] <Dreamer3> pinS: only security update
[11:41] <pinS> frozen?
[11:42] <Dreamer3> pinS: yes, the versions of software will not change, only security updates will cause "upgrades"
[11:44] <todd_> word
[11:44] <mindspore> I think I installed Zend as root, and is causing problems... is there any way I can change all the ownerships for zend files easily?
[11:44] <Dreamer3> i have an ibm thinkpad t22, can anyone point me in the right direction to get the hardware winish-modem working?
[11:45] <Dreamer3> does ubuntu have an ltmodem packages?
[11:45] <todd_> i just installed hoary and most things are gravy. Went all through the ubuntuguide.org page and got stuff installed and happy. For some reason though, I can't seem to install extensions for firefox....when I click on the install link, it asks me to save it to disk, as though it doesn't even recognize the file type....what gives?
[11:46] <FAR> Hi all
[11:46] <FAR> Dreamer3:  I've got a T41 and ltmodem did it for me on MEPIS, however I haven't found a package for it in the Ubuntu repositories
[11:47] <dead^^> I'm sorry. I meant, how can I install already downloaded programs, for example DGuitar 0.4.2 which I downloaded from it's official site... my native language isn't English and I'm not so familiar with the terms on Linux =P
[11:47] <[blue] > i have a webcam. how do i see if it is working? xawtv does not rekognise it, but it seems that the kernel module is loaded
[11:47] <FAR> todd_: there was something wrong with update.mozilla.org site a few days ago
[11:48] <Gatton> dead^^: what kind of file? is it a .deb? .tgz?
[11:48] <FAR> todd_: the specifically instructed users to save the extensions to your local disk, then from inside firefox go to File -> Open File  and select the extension u saved earlier
[11:48] <Dreamer3> FAR: it's in restricted-modules
[11:48] <Dreamer3> i'm downloading it now
[11:49] <Dreamer3> we'll have to see how easy it actually is to make it work though :)
[11:49] <dead^^> Gatton: well, I got here few .deb files
[11:49] <Gatton> dead^^: you can use  dpkg -i filename.deb  to install it
[11:50] <dead^^> Gatton: ...and it finds it's way to where it belongs, right?
[11:50] <psychonate> What permissions should I put on a directory if I want it to be a mount for a drive, so that my user can have full acces to it?
[11:50] <Jimmothy> i'm having a problem. i have BMP and it refuses to be killed in the process manager. it's listed as beep-media-play but has no path.
[11:50] <psychonate> mount point*
[11:50] <kent> [blue] , if you know how to handle a terminal, check if the device /dev/video is there.. (or something like that, perhaps v4*)  And i think xawtv can be run with "xawtv -scan" or something, which will tell you about devies. Check the manual for it, if you know how to do that..
[11:50] <Gatton> dead^^: depends on the program. some will add themselves to your menu auto but some won't
[11:50] <FAR> Dreamer3: which repository is this ? I've got "deb http://www.artfiles.org/ubuntu.com/archive hoary main restricted" but i can't find it
[11:51] <dead^^> Gatton: Ok. Got it. I'll bow thee, thank you =)
[11:51] <Aladdin> BigJG  ,   so?
[11:51] <flodine> little hel
[11:51] <Gatton> np dead^^ . i'm a newbie too so i hope it works :)
[11:51] <flodine> help
[11:51] <dead^^> Gatton: =)
[11:51] <BigJG> Aladdin: this is all new to me its going to be a while :P
[11:51] <Jimmothy> any help?
[11:51] <Dreamer3> FAR: linux-restricted-modules, i'm not sure what rep it's in
[11:52] <Aladdin> OK anybody with ftp server experience. I need help on either proftpd ou pure-ftpd configs.
[11:52] <flodine> ive loaded ubuntu 3 time and fluxbox wont load all the menu stuff why?
[11:52] <Aladdin> BigJG, believe me it is!
[11:52] <flodine> anyone
[11:53] <FAR> Dreamer3: oh ok, it's part of that package got it, thanks !
[11:54] <flodine> no one can help
[11:54] <Dreamer3> FAR: is it as simple as modprobing the module and then wvdial -config?
[11:54] <Dreamer3> will it be autodeteced as some common device?
[11:56] <FAR> Dreamer3: doesn't look that way so far :(
[11:56] <BigJG> Aladdin: ok well i just got webmin running and that allows me to edit the configuration for proftpd through a web page, i havent started trying anyhting on it yet though
[11:56] <flodine> god dog why dont unbuntu load wm like other linuxes
[11:56] <sbcl3_> does anyone know where the graphical greeter themes from login setup are kept?
[11:56] <micon> hey, cant someone help me? im trying to install ubuntu, however im getting an error saying DSDT .... initrd  not found
[11:57] <Dreamer3> FAR: hmmm, oh well
[11:57] <[blue] > kent: i have only video1394 :(
[11:57] <DaBlade> Hello
[11:57] <micon> anyone know how to solve this?
[11:57] <DaBlade> is there a way to force apt/synaptic to install certain packages?
[11:57] <DaBlade> I'm way passed the level of being pissed because of an uninstallable package that I need
[11:58] <micon> Anyone know where i can find resources on why i am missing DSDT initrd?
[11:58] <micon> or what i need to do
[11:58] <DaBlade> I'm trying constantly to fill the dependencies of hat app, but it just REFUSES to instal
[11:58] <DaBlade> Is there a way to force it nto the system?
[11:58] <flodine> anyone using fluxbox now
[11:59] <lampshade> flodine, I was, am not now
[11:59] <micon> can anyone please help me?
[11:59] <DaBlade> hello? anyone?
[11:59] <cafuego> bueller?
[12:00] <[blue] > kent: how do i add an entry to the /dev ?