[12:04] <allee> amu: as PPC developer: are you aware of any debian/rules hack to pass -DWORDS_BIGENDIAN to g++?
[12:06] <allee> amn: background, digikam 0.7.2 backport of kde svn : svn diff -u 411787:411788   without bloating the diff with the hole configure and Makefile.in stuff
[09:35] <JRe> lo
[09:35] <KaiL> morning
[09:39] <haggai> moin
[09:39] <JRe> anyone have try kcheckgmail?
[09:41] <haggai> allee: there is a technique often used to implement things like DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug in debian/rules.  Is the packaging cdbs based?
[10:38] <allee> hi all
[10:40] <allee> haggai: yes digikam cdbs based.  AFAIR 'debug' stuff uses configure --enable-debug(=full).  Nevertheless I'll check cdbs rules files.  Thx.
[10:49] <haggai> allee: in that case you can set CXXFLAGS
[10:50] <allee> haggai: thx I'll try tonight
[12:12] <JRe> allee: Okay i have rebuild katapult with ehanced changelog, copyrith, less deps and cdbs thanks to your advices
[12:13] <allee> JRe: quick look  (2 min until lunch)
[12:14] <JRe> better do this after lunch ;) good appetite!
[12:15] <allee> JRe: yeah, look like I looked at the yesterdays diff.  Later ;)
[12:27] <JRe> okay everything uploaded: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/wikini/wakka.php?wiki=KubuntU, no lintian errors
[12:42] <JRe> i want to add a page KubuntuPackagingGuide, which is the best place to put the link in the wiki?
[12:42] <Riddell> JRe: from Kubuntu
[12:43] <JRe> Riddell: okay
[02:26] <JRe> allee: packages are ready, take a look to KubuntuPackagingGuide when you have time
[04:07] <allee> JRe: copyright file:  the copyright: section is really licsense: one.   For copyright: section  grep -i copyright at least all files. kdesdk has a lisensecheck tool that will tell you if everything is 'really' GPL
[04:08] <jre_> ???
[04:13] <allee> JRe: diff contains a unnecessary katapult.1 file.  Why wasn't it done by the clean/katapult in rules?? (a check with diffstat uncoveres such problems)
[04:14] <allee> JRe: you write Copyright:
[04:14] <allee> and then software is GPL
[04:14] <allee> GPL is the license not the copyright.
[04:17] <allee> JRe: control Matter of taste of course:  both, short and long description could be a bit longer
[04:18] <allee> JRe: control: you specify the tar file instead of the homepage in long desc
[04:20] <JRe> okay!!!!!!!!
[04:20] <JRe> allee: understands now
[04:21] <JRe> allee: can i tell all the software copryght the author, 2005 ?
[04:21] <allee> JRe: Recommends/Suggests:  have you tought about what pkgs katapult may needs to be useful
[04:21] <JRe> allee: yeah none
[04:23] <JRe> allee: you mean that the clean/katapult rules does not worlk?
[04:23] <allee> JRe: AFAIU  'all the software' is fine, but it's a good idea to use a copy of the copyright notice from the source file
[04:23] <allee> JRe: yes,  because the katapult.1 is in the diff.  clean target is execute before the diff is generated.
[04:27] <JRe> allee: okay i make the changes ;) but the package was better thaht yesterday no?
[04:27] <allee> JRe: of course!!!!!
[04:29] <allee> JRe: If I had not like your work right from the beginning I would not have spend any time with it.
[04:30] <JRe> allee: thanks ;) i have learned many things with your advices!
[04:31] <allee> JRe: all the stuff is final polishing.  I've seen quite some pkgs from official debian maintainer that weren't as polished as yours ;)
[04:31] <Riddell> polishing it is what packages are all about, we polish so the users don't have to
[04:32] <JRe> allee: ;)! But thanks too you all the packages i'll do next we'll be polished like this one 
[04:34] <allee> Riddell: If katapult.1 is in the diff or not is something the user does not care ;)   But you are right we have to do your best to serve the needs of the users
[04:36] <allee> Riddell: and last but not least:  you do really a great job for the users!!!!!!!
[04:39] <Riddell> allee: well you've been doing a good job this last day, I'm sure I could learn some packaging techniques off you
[04:40] <Riddell> allee: going to become MOTU?
[04:42] <allee> Guess why I was lurking at the CC yesterday ;).    My main problem is free time and that have to learn lot about (k)ubuntu.
[04:42] <Riddell> allee: are there any packages of yours we should review?
[04:42] <allee> Riddell: and one of the standard questions:  what have you done already for ubuntu.  I realized that I had not much to offer for an application
[04:44] <Riddell> find something to package?
[04:44] <allee> last time I checked my debian pkgs were uptodate. 
[04:44] <allee> in ubuntu that is
[04:46] <allee> pkg new stuff is not that pressing for me.  Kubuntu has the stuff I need.  My (would like to plans) shift to  better integration and interoperation of pkgs ...
[04:47] <allee> e.g.  autostart of digikam when camera is pluged in.   GUI support for networking at different locations etc
[04:49] <allee> I've noted some udu pages during the last UDU irc meetings 2 days ago.  When time permits I'll try to help here and there.
[04:53] <Riddell> yep
[04:53] <Riddell> both good goals
[05:07] <JRe> anyone is developping a kde-volume-manager?
[05:10] <JRe> allee: victory the katapult.1 has disappear!
[05:11] <JRe> :)
[05:12] <Riddell> JRe: well the media:/ ioslave is there, what's missing is a kded module to do something useful when devices are plugged in
[05:12] <Riddell> I think the guy was developing that but I need to check back with him
[05:13] <allee> JRe: yeah!
[05:14] <allee> Riddell: you mean enrico?
[05:14] <Riddell> that sounds like the ddue
[05:14] <Riddell> dude
[05:15] <JRe> Riddell: okay! it would be a great feature for the users i think!
[05:15] <allee> yeah, but maybe ervin, not sure.  Ervin in right now in #kalyxo, hint ;)
[05:17] <Riddell> ervin does the non-hal stuff in media:/  he doesn't like hal
[05:18] <allee> ah
[05:18] <allee> JRe: packaging guide.  Good work.
[05:19] <JRe> allee: cat .kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/freenode_#kubuntu-devel.log | grep allee > Usefull_Tips
[05:19] <allee> Some pointers I miss are:  debian-mentors web site and mailing list. 
[05:20] <JRe> allee: yeah right i am going to add a section about the copyrights too ;)
[05:20] <allee> JRe: :)
[05:21] <allee> JRe: Kalyxo also add a nice half page long intro.  Assumed a 'standard' KDE applications.  So these 5 steps and you get a deb.
[05:22] <Riddell> kalyxo still don't have dns
[05:22] <allee> Riddell: mornfall hosts a copy somewhere ...
[05:28] <JRe> yeah a kalyxo can bu very useful :)
[05:28] <JRe> guide
[06:28] <JRe> okay goodbye everyone!
[06:31] <hussam> hey I switched to breezy two days ago
[06:31] <hussam> today I did apt-get 
[06:31] <hussam> there
[06:31] <hussam> there's a new dbus packae
[06:31] <hussam> *package
[06:32] <hussam> but to install it, syanptic says it has to remove kdebase, what should I do?
[06:32] <hussam> anybody here?
[06:33] <Riddell> hussam: probably not much you can do until we upload a new kdebase
[06:33] <Riddell> which will be either when the g++ transition happens or kde 3.4.1
[06:34] <hussam> Riddell: but kde 3.4.1 isn't anytime soon
[06:34] <hussam> is it?
[06:34] <Riddell> about 3 weeks
[06:36] <amu> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:36] <amu>   dbus-1-utils hal hal-device-manager pmount python2.4-dbus
[06:37] <amu> hussam: so i sould not upgrade my breezy 
[06:37] <hussam> amu: i'm getting: 
[06:37] <hussam> amu: dbus-1-utils hal libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common pmount python2.4-dbus
[06:37] <hussam> kept back
[06:38] <hussam> but all of which can be installed if I remove kdebase
[06:38] <hussam> which I'm not going to
[06:39] <amu> understandable ;)
[06:40] <hussam> amu: but Riddell says they will upgrade kdebase in 3 weeks to work again
[06:40] <hussam> well, I guess I'll have to wait
[06:41] <hussam> brb
[06:54] <hunger> So we have to live with held back packages for the next couple of weeks?
[06:55] <amu> hussam: sounds nice ;)
[06:55] <Riddell> hunger: depends when the g++ transition happens
[06:55] <hunger> Riddell: Ah. Well, it makes sense to wait for that.
[06:56] <hussam> amu: I just asked in #kde and they say kde 3.4.1 will be tagged on the 23 and released a week after
[06:57] <amu> hussam: great ;)
[06:59] <hunger> Any highlights in 3.4.1 or is it just bugfixes?
[06:59] <hunger> Sounds like the latter, but you never know...
[07:01] <hussam> Riddell: is there anyway I can rebuild this new dbus so that I don't have to remove kdebase?
[07:02] <Riddell> hussam: you could rebuild kdebase
[07:04] <hussam> I'm very familiar with rebuilding rpms but this is the first time I use a debian based distro
[07:04] <Riddell> apt-get source kdebase && cd kdebase-3.4.0 ** debuild
[07:04] <hunger> hussam: apt-get source kdebase to grab the source, dpkg-build* to rebuild.
[07:04] <uniq> rebuilding is pretty easy.. 'apt-get source -b package'
[07:04] <Riddell> apt-get source kdebase && cd kdebase-3.4.0 && debuild
[07:04] <Riddell> or like uniq says
[07:04] <hunger> hussam: Very easy...
[07:07] <hussam> so I install dbus and remove kdebase
[07:07] <hussam> than build kdebase and install it
[07:07] <hussam> ?
[07:08] <uniq> yes.
[07:09] <hussam> ok thanks
[07:09] <hussam> I'll do that tonight
[07:25] <hussam> one last question, will rebuilding automatically fix the dependency issue or do I have to edit some spec file before I rebuild?
[07:26] <Riddell> should fix it automatically
[07:27] <Riddell> hussam: check debian/control for dbus version though
[07:28] <Riddell> allee: we've had a request to package knoda...just incase you were looking for something :)
[07:30] <allee> Riddell: lastest knoda is in sid/sarge.  Shouldn't be hard to 'port' (exercise to the reader) ...
[07:30] <Riddell> hmm, should auto import then
[07:31] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/knoda/  by golly it's there
[07:31] <allee> Riddell: seriously  I only started knoda once 3 days ago to look at it.  Pkg is easy, but who 'maintains' it?  I've no experience with this tool.
[07:31] <Riddell> ah wait, doesn't look like it's compiled
[07:32] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/knoda/0.7-1/  miserable failure
[07:33] <allee> Hmm, 0.7-1?  Last is 0.7.3-1 in debian
[07:33] <allee> Does autoimport stop after one version fails to build?
[07:33] <Riddell> not sure
[07:33] <KaiL> and can only work better ;)