[12:39] <gunny> sup smouche
[01:06] <FAR> hi all
[01:06] <FAR> anyone know how to sort KDE menu entries ?
[01:07] <FAR> automatically that is, not manually
[01:10] <wnorrix|snome> hey how do i download a file with curl ?
[01:11] <sirukin> curl --usage
[01:39] <N33Dh3lp> hello
[01:39] <N33Dh3lp> Is there a functional difference between downloading Kubuntu, as a seperate OS and installing it, and adding Kubuntu Desktop to an up to date hoary build?
[01:41] <astro76> N33Dh3lp: it's the same
[01:42] <N33Dh3lp> great
[01:52] <transgress> is there a way to unrar a newer rar archive?
[01:52] <transgress> one of the ones that is split up into like 40 pieces?
[01:53] <crimsun> you can use unrar-nonfree from multiverse
[01:53] <transgress> is it just apt-get install unrar?
[01:53] <crimsun> unrar-nonfree
[01:54] <transgress> ah okay
[01:54] <transgress> thanks
[01:54] <crimsun> np
[01:55] <transgress> you have the line for multiverse to add to sources.list?
[01:58] <nate__> who, me?
[01:59] <crimsun> transgress: same one for main restricted universe
[01:59] <crimsun> transgress: just use multiverse, instead
[01:59] <transgress> crimsun: thanks
[02:21] <Kisain> how to order a kubuntu cd?
[02:25] <luke> is it beter to use kdm or gdm?
[02:25] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you know i don't know
[02:25] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think there both great
[02:25] <luke> hmm
[02:25] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and have there strong points
[02:25] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it depends on what your lookin for as well
[02:27] <luke> true true. but does using kdm limit some things, since kubuntu was origionally build with gnome?
[02:29] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have not noticed a lack of functionality with kubuntu if anything
[02:29] <[ADULT_SWIM] > there are even more options
[02:29] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i mean my k-menu is huge lol
[02:29] <sirukin> ha
[02:29] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ubuntu diden't have so many things in it
[02:30] <sirukin> I prefer KDE
[02:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's simpler and maybe more constraning?
[02:30] <sirukin> it has a more robust default package set than tsk...gnome.
[02:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ii think so
[02:30] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like it better than gnome
[02:30] <luke> me too.
[02:30] <luke> you can't change as much in gnome
[02:31] <[ADULT_SWIM] > kubuntu seems to be a tweakers paradise lol
[02:31] <luke> :D
[02:31] <[ADULT_SWIM] > even for the n00b like me it's easy to teak
[02:31] <[ADULT_SWIM] > :D
[02:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i can honistly say that if my box ever crashed due to an hd falure i would be crushed
[02:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > with windows i diden't care
[02:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and with ubuntu it wasen't that big of a deal
[02:32] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but with kubuntu man my world wuld freak
[02:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > after all i put in lol
[02:33] <luke> the file system is alot more stable though, than windows, if it crashed it's less likely you'll lose everything
[02:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thank god it so non hardware intensive
[02:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i noticed that
[02:33] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it seems to maintain itself
[02:33] <luke> yeah, and it doesn't do a massive check after a crash
[02:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > without any user intervention
[02:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and it dosent eat memory either
[02:34] <luke> yeah
[02:34] <luke> linux is awesome
[02:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like that about linux
[02:34] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yes it is ^_^
[02:34] <luke> :D
[02:35] <luke> compiling a kernel takes a long time..
[02:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i tryed gentoo.....you need to have a good knowledge base
[02:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > to use it
[02:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's for people way more advanced than a n00b
[02:35] <luke> I'm installing gentoo on another computer now, takes a while
[02:35] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yup
[02:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i installed it but there was no desktop or nothin and thats where i got stuck lol
[02:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > only text :/
[02:36] <luke> I might replace kubuntu if I can get it going good on my other box.
[02:36] <luke> you have to set it up as a desktop computer, theres a howto on the site
[02:36] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ahhh
[02:37] <sirukin> hmm
[02:37] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think i'll stay with my kubuntu cause i know it works and i'm starting to understand how linux works
[02:37] <sirukin> you'll need to emerge x and a wm
[02:37] <sirukin> for gentoo that is
[02:37] <[ADULT_SWIM] > maybe in a few years once i understand linux i might try gentoo
[02:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea i know some of gentoo's emerge commands
[02:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but i like the synaptic idea.....
[02:38] <luke> what I want to do is install it on another harddrive and if I get fedup with it just go back to kubuntu
[02:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it makes getting things and installing so much easyer
[02:38] <[ADULT_SWIM] > good idea
[02:39] <luke> with linux, alot of it isn't gui
[02:39] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i think gentoo will never mainstream cause of it complexity in configuation
[02:39] <luke> yeah people like simplicity
[02:39] <sirukin> Gentoo isn't meant to be mainstream
[02:39] <[ADULT_SWIM] > people want something like ubuntu/kubuntu cause all the basics are there
[02:39] <luke> but thats why windows is huge, it's simple
[02:40] <sirukin> Gentoo is used because it allows crazy optimization.
[02:40] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea 
[02:40] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i know if i where smarter with linux i'd probibly use it
[02:40] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it looked neat but it's just to complex
[02:40] <luke> gentoo builds a unique system based on your hardware
[02:40] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i noticed that 
[02:41] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but i also know it's possible to bootsrap ubuntu/kubuntu
[02:41] <[ADULT_SWIM] > for your specific system
[02:41] <[ADULT_SWIM] > or at least thats what i herd
[02:41] <luke> hmm
[02:42] <luke> I havn't heard that.
[02:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > a freind of mine who has a freind who is a linux developer 
[02:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > did it to his system
[02:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i seen it
[02:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's bootstraped
[02:42] <luke> well I spose anythings possible
[02:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and it's the most gnarly kubuntu i've seen
[02:43] <luke> I have a mate whos a developer and works on help desk for gentoo. gentoo is all he runs
[02:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > he on vacation in fl now so i have to waite for him to come back to tweak my system
[02:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > wow maybe i should send you my box
[02:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > have a real genius work on it lol
[02:44] <luke> haha no no not me, mate mate ;)
[02:44] <luke> my mate**
[02:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i know 
[02:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i was just sayin send it to you for your freind to work on lol
[02:45] <luke> oh lol
[02:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > hey dere transgress
[02:45] <transgress> hello
[02:45] <luke> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/index.xml?catid=desktop thats the link for making a gentoo system a desktop system
[02:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > how yous doin today?
[02:45] <transgress> had to open a new konsole... this one was messing up my toolbar
[02:46] <transgress> i'm doing good
[02:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ouch
[02:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > cool
[03:22] <nate__> how do i add something to kde's startup?
[03:23] <nate__> is there a gui app?
[03:25] <luke> depends what you want to start. sometimes if you don't close an app before closing kde, it will bring it up again next startup
[03:26] <luke> what do you want to start?
[03:26] <nate__> i want to start keychain
[03:26] <nate__> but its being a punk
[03:26] <nate__> it won't create the .ssh-agent file
[03:26] <nate__> grrr
[03:26] <transgress> hey is there an open source voice chat program for linux?
[03:26] <transgress> it doesn't have to be cross platform or anything
[03:26] <nate__> transgress: skype
[03:26] <transgress> nate__: open source?
[03:27] <nate__> transgress: ummm, its free, not sure about open source
[03:27] <luke> I'm not familiar with kaychain sorry nate__
[03:28] <nate__> luke: np, its for ssh though, so if you do lots of ssh you should check it out
[03:28] <luke> will do
[03:31] <luke> any idea how much time a kernel should take to compile?
[03:31] <luke> it's been a couple of hours so far..
[03:39] <transgress> hey nate__ do you use skype?
[03:53] <nate__> transgress: i did when i was on fedora, but i haven't bothered installing it yet
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[04:20] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[04:21] <Diablo-D3> there isnt a kde version of gnome-system-tools, is there?
[04:28] <ggarland> Greetings Everyone
[04:29] <ggarland> I want to say Thanks to the developers of kubuntu and Ubuntu.  You're doing a great job.  Please keep up the good work.
[04:29] <Diablo-D3> I dont think any of them are here
[04:35] <transgress> i thought gnome-system-tools went out with 2.10
[04:54] <ubuntu> k
[05:32] <gunny> help I can't sudo kcontrol anymore kde complains about some files in /temp not belonging to user 0
[05:38] <transgress> woohoo for hitting the power button on the surge protector
[05:39] <R0bNyc> kubuntu works now? 
[05:39] <R0bNyc> is the problem fixed
[05:40] <gunny> my kubuntu hates me tonight 
[05:41] <transgress> why for?
[05:42] <gunny> sudo is borked
[05:42] <gunny> I have to do kdesu instead of typing sudo kcontrol
[05:42] <gunny> I am living in the commandline world more and more and this is just annoying 
[05:43] <gunny> and now no printing arrrrgh
[05:44] <gunny> printing fixed... damn printer was turned off :(
[05:44] <gunny> I are stoopid
[05:49] <hegemony> about how large in the kubuntu installation footprint?
[05:54] <crimsun> hegemony: a bit over a gig
[05:54] <hegemony> crimsun: thanks
[05:55] <hegemony> thinking about shrinking my osx installtion to make room for installing kubuntu
[05:56] <crimsun> 'twould be interesting
[05:56] <hegemony> i have a 40G, and already tight on space for just one OS, so i dont want to lose too much space, I was thinking about making 4G available for kubuntu
[05:57] <crimsun> k, 500 MB swap and 3.5 GB / sounds good
[05:57] <hegemony> i tried out the livecd for a little, and I'm generally pleased with what I see, tho of course it would be nicer to have an actual install, as it's faster and much more customizable
[05:57] <hegemony> exactly
[06:12] <luke> anyone know how to stop ping?
[06:12] <poopinaboot> ctrl + c
[06:12] <luke> thanks!
[06:12] <poopinaboot> np
[06:20] <kkathman> hello all :)
[07:00] <ubuntu> salut
[07:01] <NDService> yo!
[07:02] <Tm_T> hullo!
[07:05] <Tezkah> is there a fix for apps like Firefox and GAIM having really crappy looking fonts?
[07:05] <Tezkah> I assume they use GTK
[07:05] <Tezkah> and I have this QT-for-GTK package installed
[07:06] <Tezkah> but it doesn't seem to be *activated*
[07:08] <hegemony> it might be an issue with anti-aliased fonts
[07:08] <NDService> Tezkah: adn you don't have any of the Gnome "control center" stuff installed, right?
[07:09] <Tezkah> I think that Firefox installed it
[07:10] <Tm_T> ehh
[07:10] <Tm_T> Tezkah: install "gtk theme switch" or something
[07:11] <Tm_T> btw I like "crappy" simple monospace fonts :p
[07:14] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> hi kkathman :)
[07:14] <kkathman> how was the weekend visits?
[07:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, ok, my youngest older brother (simple, huh?) got engaged, so nothing special
[07:19] <kkathman> well thats kewl....was there no pressure cuz "older brother" isnt engaged?
[07:19] <kkathman> I just assumed you weren't...maybe you are or married :)
[07:19] <Tm_T> me? what a laugh
[07:19] <Tezkah> Tm_T: its not that they're necessarily crappy, but when they're mixed with these beautiful KDE fonts... well... ugh
[07:20] <Tm_T> Tezkah: hmm, so do what I said ;)
[07:20] <Tm_T> :o
[07:20] <kkathman> hmmm that window closed on me for no reason!
[07:20] <kkathman> weirf
[07:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: user error ;p
[07:20] <kkathman> weird...but then Im on windows now...so I should expect it
[07:21] <kkathman> sorry if I missed your anwer
[07:21] <kkathman> answer
[07:21] <kkathman> Tm_T Im actually in Los Angeles again in business, so on windows laptop :(
[07:22] <Tm_T> haha
[07:22] <KaiL> create a dualboot :p
[07:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, I'm as single as I can be
[07:22] <kkathman> not funny really....I love my linux box...they have been making fun of me the last few days because I tell them how great Linux is
[07:22] <KaiL> ...and morning everybody
[07:23] <kkathman> KaiL I would, honestly, but its the company laptop and a demo machine and I cant change too much at all
[07:23] <kkathman> suxxors big time
[07:24] <Tm_T> KaiL: good morning :)
[07:24] <kkathman> morning KaiL btw
[07:24] <KaiL> kkathman: btw. if you can get a Lifebook E 8010 in your fingers with (k)ubuntu on it, tell me
[07:25] <KaiL> here are 2 candidates around ;)
[07:26] <kkathman> I wish :)
[07:29] <KaiL_> gar, stupid pppd
[07:30] <KaiL_> always 45 CPU temp after a reconnect
[07:33] <kkathman> I wish I could get a nice Fujitsu Laptop for even cost!!!!
[07:34] <kkathman> we just get like 10-20% off list duh
[07:34] <KaiL_> that's what everybody can get with some searching
[07:35] <kkathman> so, since \sh gets congratulations for being an "ubuntu member" what does that mean?  Arent we all ubuntu members?
[07:35] <Tm_T> heh
[07:35] <kkathman> KaiL:  exactly correct :)
[07:38] <kkathman> i'm assuming there must be some money that exchanged hands to be an official "ubuntu member" :)
[07:38] <kkathman> the rest of us must be "secret" ubuntu members :)
[07:39] <kkathman> maybe even TOP secret ones :)
[07:39] <Tm_T> o/
[07:40] <Tm_T> I'm soooo secret in my Ubuntu t-shirt
[07:40] <Tm_T> ;p
[07:40] <_nate> how do you get rid of your root password once you set it?
[07:41] <Tm_T> set it empty?
[07:41] <Tm_T> or why you should get rid of it?
[07:41] <kkathman> yeah why would you want to get rid of it?
[07:41] <_nate> because its a security risk
[07:41] <_nate> i want the account disabled
[07:42] <Tm_T> err?
[07:42] <Tm_T> security risk?
[07:42] <_nate> yes
[07:42] <Tm_T> so please, explain
[07:43] <kkathman> how can it be a security risk if it has a password
[07:43] <kkathman> and how would it be less secure than your original name?
[07:43] <_nate> brute-force cracking with ssh
[07:43] <Tm_T> ehh?
[07:43] <kkathman> yeah and they could do that with any account
[07:43] <_nate> it takes time, but i've already has some attacks
[07:43] <kkathman> and just do SUDO on it :)
[07:44] <KaiL_> Fedora Core 4 Beta 3: Kernel 2.6.12rc, OpenOffice 2.0 beta, gcc 4 - any comments required about stability?
[07:44] <_nate> bruteforce is a low-level hacking technique
[07:44] <kkathman> geez how did you get a hack in linux?
[07:44] <_nate> so i'd hope they would be ignorant of sudo :)
[07:44] <_nate> they didn't actually get in, but they attempted to
[07:44] <Tm_T> haha
[07:45] <_nate> root is common to all linux boxes, so its the one account you can garauntee is on the machine, so brute-forcing becomes easier
[07:45] <_nate> disable the account and they have to guess your username as well
[07:46] <_nate> then make a 12 character password for your user with upper and lowercase, numbers, and special characters
[07:46] <_nate> and hope they don't know about sudo in ubuntu
[07:46] <kkathman> well, why dont you make a 12 character psw with upper and lower chars for root then?
[07:46] <Tm_T> ok, now you're paranoid
[07:46] <kkathman> geez _nate I think you're out on a limb and paranoid like Tm_T says
[07:47] <_nate> kkathman: I did, but disabling the root user creates an extra layer of protection
[07:47] <_nate> naw, I just want it to be a secure as I can make it reasonably
[07:47] <_nate> but i figured it out
[07:47] <Tm_T> =)
[07:47] <_nate> sudo passwd -l root
[07:47] <_nate> locks the account
[07:48] <_nate> call me paranoid, but its just that much more protection
[07:49] <KaiL_> I hope your default user isn't in the "admin" group then :p
[07:49] <_nate> nope : )
[07:50] <_nate> default group of 'username'
[07:50] <Tm_T> and you have edited your sudoers list?
[07:50] <Tezkah> root is just in hiding
[07:50] <_nate> yeah, Tezkah, I know
[07:51] <_nate> its just an extra layer of protection
[07:51] <kkathman> if someone wants in THAT bad, and who know why THAT level of hacker would go to THAT extreme to get on YOUR box, but if he did, you wont be able to stop him
[07:51] <_nate> kkathman: brute-force hacking is rather easy, I'm just making it difficult for people who don't know what they're doing
[07:51] <kkathman> anyone wants to hack my machine...go ahead...aint nuttin there worth takin :) lol  theyll be VERY dissappointed
[07:52] <_nate> I have personal information on this machine though
[07:52] <kkathman> but _nate those that dont know what their doing, couldnt crack a 12-digit psw dude
[07:52] <Tezkah> I have credit card numbers in an unencrypted .txt file in the root of my directory
[07:52] <_nate> kkathman: through patience
[07:52] <_nate> lol Tezkah 
[07:52] <Tezkah> plz hack me
[07:52] <Tm_T> :p
[07:53] <_nate> Not THAT personal of information
[07:53] <_nate> But I shred all my mail
[07:53] <Tezkah> [11:52 pm]  [Tezkah VERSION reply] : mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[07:53] <Tezkah> fuck
[07:53] <_nate> and I have identity-theft insurance
[07:53] <kkathman> in ANY case...you'd do better getting a firewall  and not worrying about it :)
[07:53] <kkathman> OMG you ARE paranoid :)
[07:53] <_nate> lol
[07:53] <_nate> Its part of my legal insurance
[07:53] <kkathman> and you got lots more money than me
[07:53] <kkathman> so enjoy!
[07:53] <_nate> its only $50 a month
[07:54] <kkathman> while you are at it...dig a moat around your house
[07:54] <_nate> kkathman: do you know me or something?  how did you know i was doin that?
[07:54] <kkathman> just a wild guess
[07:54] <_nate> j/k ;)
[07:55] <kkathman> $50/month for identity insurance...sheesh almost all credit cards give you that for like much less
[07:55] <kkathman> if at all
[07:55] <kkathman> AMEX gives it to you for free
[07:55] <_nate> no, not for just identity insurance
[07:55] <_nate> its legal insurance
[07:55] <_nate> so go ahead and sue me, i don't pay for it, and I have top-rated firms representing me
[07:55] <kkathman> now I'd like that...insurance against fricking lawyers :)
[07:55] <_nate> lol, EXACTLY
[07:56] <_nate> and I can get my will done up at no cost
[07:56] <kkathman> I knew a guy that had a $20,000,000 liability insurance policy
[07:56] <_nate> and I can call and get legal advice as much as I want
[07:56] <_nate> lol
[07:56] <_nate> was he really that bad?
[07:56] <kkathman> _nate..I get that for $5.95 per month now :)
[07:56] <_nate> 20 mill?
[07:56] <_nate> for 5.95 a month?
[07:57] <kkathman> _nate no, but he figured that he didnt want someone to sue him for like falling on his property or some weird crap...he was paranoid
[07:57] <_nate> what do you get for 5.95 a month?
[07:57] <kkathman> I get unlim legal advice and coverage on any legal action for $5.95 per month
[07:57] <_nate> through who?
[07:57] <Tezkah> AOL Liability
[07:57] <Tm_T> xD
[07:57] <kkathman> its a thing through my company thats available 
[07:58] <_nate> oh, yeah, through your company
[07:58] <_nate> thats why
[07:58] <kkathman> yep
[07:58] <kkathman> its kinda like a PPO for lawyers :)
[07:58] <_nate> well, this is independent of my company and is more services than i've mentioned here
[07:59] <_nate> its pretty cool, I like it
[07:59] <kkathman> but if I have a bitch, I can call them and they'll write a letter or whatever and you'd be amazed what that does :)
[07:59] <_nate> exactly what mine does too :)
[07:59] <Tm_T> ok, sorry guys, gotta go ->
[07:59] <_nate> Tm_T, we'll miss you greatly
[07:59] <_nate> i love you
[07:59] <kkathman> yeah I need to hit it too...
[07:59] <_nate> have my babies
[07:59] <kkathman> ROFL
[08:00] <_nate> hehehe :)
[08:00] <kkathman> _nate you are a riot :)
[08:00] <_nate> kkathman: I know, now don't go hackin my machine!!!!!!
[08:00] <kkathman> we need to party sometime man,  :)
[08:00] <_nate> I'm watching it day and night
[08:00] <_nate> I'm gonna set it up with a cron job to email me with any changes in the log
[08:00] <kkathman> I hack Tm_T's machine all the time to get his pron
[08:00] <_nate> hourly
[08:01] <_nate> to my gmail
[08:01] <kkathman> j.k
[08:01] <_nate> kkathman: NEIN!
[08:01] <Tezkah> oh slackware
[08:01] <kkathman> TEN
[08:01] <Tezkah> I do love patrick
[08:01] <Tezkah> but I love apt even more
[08:02] <kkathman> tera patrick?
[08:02] <_nate> I wanna try slackware, but i dunno about building a system from scratch
[08:02] <Tezkah> Patrick Vokerdoingdoing
[08:02] <_nate> thats the idea behind slack, right?
[08:02] <Tezkah> slackware isn't a system from scratch though
[08:02] <kkathman> oh... I love tera patrick
[08:02] <Tezkah> its just a very simple distro
[08:02] <_nate> oh, ok
[08:02] <_nate> hmm, whats diff about gentoo then?
[08:03] <kkathman> gentoo is supposed to be good .. really good for compiling...i.e. if yer a kernel hacker
[08:03] <kkathman> those are the ones breaking into your machine, _nate
[08:03] <Tezkah> gentoo is for compiling
[08:03] <Tezkah> thats it!
[08:04] <kkathman> they break into Tm_T's machine for the pron
[08:04] <_nate> ARGH!  NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
[08:04] <kkathman> Did yer hack alarm go off _nate?
[08:04] <_nate> kkathman: no, i'm watching it though
[08:04] <kkathman> SUCCESS!!
[08:04] <kkathman> Im in :)
[08:05] <kkathman> but I am muddy from the swim across the moat
[08:05] <_nate> lol
[08:05] <kkathman> Did I forget to tell you that the moat does no good unless you have pirahna in it?
[08:05] <_nate> actually, looks like a failed root login attempt, but i think that was me
[08:05] <_nate> i have alligators
[08:05] <kkathman> ROFL
[08:06] <_nate> angry ones
[08:06] <_nate> yep, it was me
[08:06] <kkathman> how do you know they are angry?
[08:06] <_nate> cuz i don't feed them and make them listen to Pat Benatar 24/7
[08:06] <_nate> They're ticked
[08:07] <kkathman> oh...hehe thought you said Pat Robertson there for a second....I was gonna say I'd be angry too
[08:07] <kkathman> yeah that'll do it
[08:07] <_nate> muhahaha, no one shall touch my ssh server!
[08:07] <kkathman> or.. put them to sleep...better go back to Pat Benatar
[08:08] <kkathman> schizophrenic alligators...not a good thing
[08:09] <_nate> haha
[08:09] <_nate> ok, I think my server is ridiculously secured now
[08:09] <_nate> now passwor-loggins are not allowed
[08:09] <kkathman> yah thinl?
[08:09] <_nate> only shared keys
[08:09] <kkathman> I hear government servers are much easier
[08:09] <_nate> lol
[08:10] <_nate> probably true, they use M$
[08:10] <_nate> lol
[08:11] <kkathman> you always have a job at Fujitsu tho
[08:11] <_nate> I've got an AS in Networking
[08:11] <_nate> I need a job
[08:11] <kkathman> To get to my email, I must logon to my VPN/SecureRemote 5 times just to get to my email password which is 10 digits upper and lower case with numbers and letter
[08:12] <_nate> lol
[08:12] <kkathman> so, they are more paranoid than you
[08:12] <kkathman> then every four hours....I must repeat the process again
[08:12] <_nate> lol
[08:13] <_nate> i have a friend whose ssh server got hacked recently
[08:13] <_nate> so thats why i got all paranoid
[08:13] <_nate> now he has to vpn into his network to access his server
[08:13] <kkathman> and yet...I can get to my mail with a simple name and password through web access...go fricking figure
[08:13] <_nate> kkathman: yeah, but they're at least using SSL most times
[08:13] <kkathman> from ANY kiosk or anythng
[08:14] <kkathman> KaiL_ is telling us in a kind way to STFU
[08:14] <KaiL_> uhm, no
[08:14] <_nate> KaiL_: ok, have another way I can be paranoid and lock down my server further?
[08:14] <kkathman> or ask a question :)
[08:14] <Tezkah> hey KaiL_ I deleted my root directory can you plz help me?
[08:15] <KaiL_> better this than total silence :)
[08:15] <KaiL_> Tezkah: uhm, you deleted /?
[08:15] <_nate> Tezkah: tell me you're kidding
[08:15] <KaiL_> or /root?
[08:15] <Tezkah> I deleted /
[08:15] <Tezkah> can I undelete it from the recycling bin?
[08:15] <KaiL_> reinstall
[08:15] <Tezkah> haha
[08:15] <Tezkah> just kidding
[08:15] <Tezkah> oh
[08:15] <Tezkah> I have a real question
[08:15] <KaiL_> kkathman: the apps are in the RAM, so...:)
[08:16] <kkathman> KaiL_ you could tell him to fix it by typing rm -R  /
[08:16] <Tezkah> I tried to enable ACPI suspend to RAM
[08:16] <Tezkah> so I uncommented the line
[08:16] <Tezkah> and rebooted
[08:16] <_nate> kkathman: you forgot the f
[08:16] <Tezkah> then tried to close the lid
[08:16] <KaiL_> you didn't need to
[08:16] <kkathman> oh yeah sorry
[08:16] <KaiL_> closing the lid only blanks the screen
[08:16] <Tezkah> yeah
[08:16] <Tezkah> it blanked the screen
[08:16] <kkathman> I always forget where that f goes tho
[08:16] <Tezkah> and I couldn
[08:16] <Tezkah> t make it come back
[08:16] <_nate> kkathman: rm -rf
[08:17] <KaiL_> it should come back on reopening the lid :)
[08:17] <_nate> Tezkah: spin around three times on your head first
[08:17] <Tezkah> heh
[08:17] <Tezkah> it didn't come back
[08:17] <Tezkah> I just saw a blank screen with a cursor
[08:17] <KaiL_> bad :(
[08:17] <_nate> Tezkah: then shout "My head is where my butt should be!"
[08:17] <Tezkah> hit the power button (the only button on the laptop to do with power)
[08:18] <_nate> that should fix it
[08:18] <Tezkah> and it shut down
[08:18] <_nate> Tezkah: I woulda tried spacebar first
[08:18] <Tezkah> yeah, no keys would bring it back
[08:18] <Tezkah> but I didnt hit space
[08:18] <_nate> oh, sucky
[08:18] <KaiL_> hmm
[08:18] <KaiL_> incredible, that lid.sh can fail...
[08:19] <KaiL_> well, try if the real suspend to ram works better:
[08:19] <KaiL_> sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[08:20] <Tezkah> ah, I'll try that
[08:20] <Tezkah> also, I need to run a command "dhclient ra0" when I boot
[08:20] <Tezkah> I'm sure theres an easy way to do that
[08:22] <KaiL_> kde controlcenter -> networking -> network-settings
[08:22] <KaiL_> rt2500 drivers should be included :)
[08:23] <Tezkah> yeah, I installed the drivers
[08:23] <_nate> k, goin to bed now
[08:23] <Tezkah> but when I run kcontrol, and try to enable the wireless
[08:23] <Tezkah> it says "enabling"
[08:23] <_nate> gnite kkathman, Tezkah, and KaiL_ 
[08:23] <Tezkah> and then goes back to the way it was
[08:23] <Tezkah> goodnight _nate
[08:23] <kkathman> nnight...Im out too :)
[08:23] <Tezkah> anyways, I have to run "dhclient ra0" from terminal
[08:23] <_nate_sleeping> gnite
[08:23] <Tezkah> in order to make it run
[08:23] <KaiL_> Tezkah: you have set it to dhcp on the left?
[08:24] <Tezkah> I don't know
[08:24] <KaiL_> check :)
[08:24] <Tezkah> all I know is that it connects with that command
[08:24] <KaiL_> that command does a dhcp query
[08:24] <KaiL_> but this can also be done automatically :)
[08:24] <Tezkah> auto...magically?
[08:24] <Tezkah> I know that ifup says that it isn't configured
[08:25] <KaiL_> iface ra0 inet dhcp
[08:26] <KaiL_> auto ra0
[08:26] <KaiL_> that are the 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:26] <Tezkah> ah, so add them to that file
[08:29] <Tezkah> powernowd works good, as good as windows does
[08:29] <Tezkah> i'm quite pleased with the whole install
[08:30] <KaiL_> only as good as windows does?
[08:30] <KaiL_> that's bad ;)
[08:30] <Tezkah> heh
[08:30] <Tezkah> well, I thought it was being bad
[08:30] <Tezkah> because the fan was constantly on
[08:31] <Tezkah> but I realize its because I don't have my heat solution set up here
[08:31] <Tezkah> (two blocks to set the laptop on so it can get air)
[08:31] <Tezkah> not that the fans weren't being shut off on Linux
[08:31] <Tezkah> I mean GNU/Linux
[08:31] <Tezkah> sorry RMS
[08:31] <KaiL_> lol
 its okay it happens all the time
[08:34] <KaiL_> does anybody know something about fabbiones sleep-times?
[08:34] <crimsun> he's awake
[08:35] <KaiL_> good, so I can start a diskussion about drivers as rt2500 soon (GPL, but not in default kernel...)
[08:35] <Tezkah> he is in Australia
[08:35] <Tezkah> KaiL_: yeah, well, aren't they prerelease?
[08:36] <KaiL_> at least they work (for be even the file from RaLink does)
[08:36] <Tezkah> yeah
[08:36] <Tezkah> I tried installing debian in september
[08:36] <Tezkah> failed hardcore
[08:36] <Tezkah> didn't realize this was a ralink card
[08:36] <Tezkah> not a broadcom
[08:36] <crimsun> Tezkah: who, Fabio? He's in Italy.
[08:36] <Tezkah> I was just making wild accusations
[08:37] <KaiL_> his host looks danish ;)
[08:37] <crimsun> I have no idea where he is right this moment
[08:37] <KaiL_> and the name in fact italian ;)
[09:01] <KaiL_> hmm, now he's just gone
[09:08] <amu> moin
[09:24] <Tm_T> sheeplover KaiL 
[09:25] <KaiL> the system was once a "stupid server", that's where the name comes from
[09:25] <KaiL> my testsystem is "donkey", as the mainboard sometimes behaves like one ;)
[09:26] <Tm_T> heh
[09:27] <KaiL> it's full or bugs, including deadly broken APM
[10:17] <{Cricket}> Hello all
[10:19] <M_Fatih> hi all
[10:20] <kakalto> yo
[10:20] <M_Fatih> i have a problem with upgrading kdelibs.. it has interesting error what i can't fixed..
[10:20] <M_Fatih> http://paste.linux-sevenler.org/goster.php?no=752
[10:20] <{Cricket}> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh script will fix kdelibs bug
[10:20] <M_Fatih> see this paste file..,
[10:20] <M_Fatih> hmm. i'll try..
[10:20] <kakalto> ah
[10:21] <kakalto> I think I'm looking for that fix too
[10:21] <M_Fatih> :(
[10:21] <{Cricket}> have you guys tried the bug fix thats in the topic?
[10:21] <kakalto> run as sudo?
[10:21] <{Cricket}> ...
[10:25] <kakalto> hehe
[10:25] <kakalto> the topic, I usually don't notcie
[10:25] <kakalto> *notice
[10:26] <{Cricket}> well start noticing its up there for a reason
[10:27] <kakalto> will do
[10:28] <Tm_T> :)
[10:37] <snowcrash> hi
[10:37] <snowcrash> whats a good download manager for ubunutu 
[10:38] <KaiL> kde based? kget
[10:39] <Tm_T> konqi
[10:39] <Tm_T> :)
[10:39] <{Cricket}> I'm really not liking ubuntu as much as I thought I would
[10:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:39] <KaiL> why not?
[10:40] <{Cricket}> theres parts of it I like and parts of it I don't...
[10:40] <{Cricket}> I'm really not interested in having to do sudo all the time I'd rather be logged in as root, the whole thing is kinda bland and kubuntu is ugly.
[10:41] <Tm_T> eh
[10:41] <Tm_T> you _can_ enable root account easily
[10:41] <Tm_T> and you _can_ control it's visual appearance
[10:41] <KaiL> and what is ugly on kubuntu?
[10:42] <{Cricket}> besides all of that I really prefer installing source packages myself I don't like the packagemanager
[10:42] <{Cricket}> everything lol
[10:42] <Tm_T> {Cricket}: ugly? http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_022.png
[10:43] <KaiL> nice k-menu icon
[10:44] <Tm_T> KaiL: not only menu ;p http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_021.png
[10:45] <KaiL> wow
[10:45] <KaiL> uhm, is there some package for amarok 1.3 I haven't seen yet, or is that selfcompiled?
[10:45] <snowcrash> kget ?
[10:45] <snowcrash> ok :)
[10:45] <snowcrash> damn this ubuntu is so kewl 
[10:45] <snowcrash> i dont wanna switch to window again 
[10:46] <KaiL> {Cricket}: we can only fix problems, if we know about them
[10:46] <KaiL> so "all is ugly" is not really helpfull
[10:46] <{Cricket}> kail you work for ubuntu?
[10:46] <Tm_T> KaiL: I use svn version
[10:46] <snowcrash> but i guess i have to because some nokia developer tools dont exist on linux 
[10:46] <KaiL> Tm_T: ah
[10:46] <KaiL> {Cricket}: in some way everybody in here does, even you :)
[10:46] <snowcrash> btw kail whats this tool which is displaying stuff like weather and so on on the side
[10:47] <snowcrash> this additional bar
[10:47] <snowcrash> with info about mem diskspace and so on 
[10:47] <KaiL> uhm, ask Tm_T 
[10:47] <KaiL> I guess some superkaramba toy
[10:47] <{Cricket}> actually I know someone who works for them thats why I thought I would try it out... not someone that is just providing help with ubuntu for free but someone that actually has a job with them....
[10:48] <Tm_T> KaiL: supercaramba? that bloat? hell no!
[10:48] <{Cricket}> so far I don't really like anything about it other then suse is a really crappy excuse for an os and I hated it needed to try out ubuntu anyways and since I'd just formatted to suse it would be ok to try out ubuntu
[10:49] <KaiL> no comments about suse, everybody agrees with you here...
[10:50] <{Cricket}> lol
[10:50] <{Cricket}> other then that I can't get the free docking tool that comes with amsn to dock into the sys tray
[10:50] <KaiL> in Germany we call if "Nrnberger Windows"
[10:50] <KaiL> I don#t think, this needs a translation :)
[10:51] <{Cricket}> even though I've compiled the plugin 15 hundred times since I became a linux user and I compiled it correctly this time also but it still wont' dock...
[10:51] <{Cricket}> brb reboot
[10:52] <snowcrash> hmm suse
[10:52] <snowcrash> guess the price of 90 euros are a bit hard
[10:52] <snowcrash> core
[10:52] <snowcrash> i havent expected that ubuntu would work that good 
[10:52] <snowcrash> it even recognized my usb modem 
[10:53] <KaiL> uhm, what? Suse works better than ubuntu for you?
[10:53] <snowcrash> no
[10:53] <snowcrash> i dont have suse
[10:53] <KaiL> oh, I thought :)
[10:53] <snowcrash> i said i think ubuntu is better
[10:53] <snowcrash> i wont pay 90 euros for suse
[10:53] <snowcrash> why
[10:53] <snowcrash> should i 
[10:53] <snowcrash> its really beautiful that free projects like this one exist
[10:53] <KaiL> because you want to have a kernel with more patches in it, than every possible developer kernel?
[10:54] <snowcrash> hehe
[10:54] <KaiL> and a openoffice2 beta as only option?
[10:54] <golanz> snowcrash, for some people suse means assistance, that's why they pay 90 euros
[10:54] <snowcrash> sure
[10:54] <KaiL> and nonworking mixers?
[10:54] <golanz> for unexperts, it's difficult to work with ubuntu
[10:54] <snowcrash> for some ppl yast maybe a good thing 
[10:54] <snowcrash> but then u can buy windows as well 
[10:54] <golanz> I mean, if they need assistance, ubuntu is not at the level of suse.. yet :)
[10:55] <KaiL> golanz: *if*
[10:55] <golanz> good one Kail :-))
[10:55] <{Cricket}> I've been messing around with linux for almost a year now and I'm sure alot of people have alot of good things to say about suse but seriously I've tryed out several distros and suse is no where near the top of my list its a pos in my opinion and I wouldn't pay a penny for it if I needed the disk to save my life.
[10:55] <KaiL> on suse you will for sure, on ubuntu we just sit here in a support channel and wait for the people, who need ;)
[10:55] <golanz> yeas Kail, but almost nobody knows it... I still mean unexpert people
[10:56] <hegemony> 90 euros!!
[10:56] <KaiL> they don't even know suse
[10:56] <{Cricket}> lol
[10:56] <KaiL> they don't even know, what an operating system is..
[10:56] <golanz> my company is offering ubuntu courses, but people ask: what is ubuntu? second, do u provide assistance?
[10:56] <{Cricket}> who needs something such as suse when you got basically the same thing in windows... if you need help that much or if you want to run suse save urself sometime and get windows instead
[10:56] <snowcrash> well i would never use linux for grafix
[10:57] <golanz> ask to sgi... they use linux as primary now
[10:57] <snowcrash> software like flash, illustrator, photoshop, its sad that it doesnt exist on linux as well 
[10:57] <snowcrash> that reminds me to check the new gimp
[10:57] <golanz> yeah... what about blender? Is going better every day
[10:57] <snowcrash> yeah 
[10:57] <snowcrash> i have seen blender once
[10:57] <snowcrash> looks damn cool 
[10:57] <golanz> But i agree with u, I still miss flash and freehand
[10:57] <{Cricket}> very true snowcrash but if linux had all that stuff it would be windows....
[10:58] <{Cricket}> flash is installable shockwave however is not.
[10:58] <golanz> It will have it... in a not-so-distant future
[10:58] <snowcrash> but at least www.gerhardzeissl.net works on linux as well :)
[10:58] <golanz> I didn't mean the plugin, I meant the graphic software :)
[10:58] <{Cricket}> ack!
[10:58] <snowcrash> yeah guess many software will come out on linux as well 
[10:58] <hegemony> whats the difference between flash and shockwave?
[10:58] <snowcrash> that plugin size
[10:59] <KaiL> Linux is totally nonexistant for most users
[10:59] <snowcrash> shockwave is bigge
[10:59] <golanz> shockwave can handle also some 3d things 
[10:59] <snowcrash> r
[10:59] <snowcrash> it contains more apis 
[10:59] <KaiL> they didn't even hear about it
[10:59] <snowcrash> u can do more with it 
[10:59] <hegemony> ic
[10:59] <kakalto> darn transcode
[10:59] <snowcrash> but both are different 
[10:59] <{Cricket}> I should get to bed night guys
[10:59] <golanz> I think everybody knows linux... as a word
[10:59] <golanz> night cricket
[10:59] <kakalto> golanz, nah, not really
[10:59] <hegemony> golanz: lots of people dont
[10:59] <KaiL> golanz: not even that
[11:00] <golanz> mmm... where r u from, guys?
[11:00] <snowcrash> if i untar a piece of software does it automatically install it ?
[11:00] <snowcrash> i mean it just needs to be placed in the right dirs 
[11:00] <KaiL> ask the people out their, which operating system they use and you'll have fun
[11:00] <snowcrash> right ?
[11:00] <hegemony> maybe theyll say "oh..yeah...i think i've heard of that" but they just dont want to sound stupid, they have no idea what this woord lin-ooks means
[11:00] <golanz> yes kail... but I said "Linux as a word"
[11:00] <golanz> they say: ah yeah, that hacker program
[11:00] <{Cricket}> before I met someone that used linux (a good friend of mine) he showed me blackbox for windows I ask him where he got it he said it was something totally normal in slackware I ask what that was I was clueless as to what linux was until then thats been about a year ago and I been with linux since.
[11:00] <kakalto> even the words "operating system" will get some crazy looks
[11:00] <golanz> they say: ah yeah, that nerd stuff
[11:01] <golanz> they say: ah yeah, that nasa thing
[11:01] <KaiL> golanz: no
[11:01] <KaiL> way less
[11:01] <hegemony> snowcrash: if it's source no, but a binary probably
[11:01] <KaiL> I guess 10% will, the other 90% will ask "is that something to eat?"
[11:01] <snowcrash> if its source i have to compile it of course
[11:01] <snowcrash> guesst most come with a make file as well 
[11:01] <golanz> well, maybe here around me percentages are different.. I feel something like 40% 60%
[11:01] <golanz> Italy
[11:02] <{Cricket}> then I went from noob to teaching myself everything I could learn about linux.
[11:02] <KaiL> maybe in your region
[11:02] <kakalto> {Cricket}, sounds like me :)
[11:02] <golanz> yeah kail... I'm sure it changes from place to place
[11:02] <golanz> and I'm just telling an opinion, not a real poll out there
[11:02] <golanz> :)
[11:02] <{Cricket}> seriously that and asking questions from regular linux users
[11:02] <{Cricket}> I was totally lost... google became my best friend.
[11:02] <kakalto> I'm unlucky enough to be in a place where the only ones who know of linux are my local ISP and local Computer shop people
[11:03] <{Cricket}> sounds like where I'm at lol
[11:03] <kakalto> {Cricket}, google is EVERYONE's best friend :D
[11:03] <KaiL> same here
[11:03] <golanz> yeah cricket, good linuxing with google
[11:03] <snowcrash> where can i download gket
[11:03] <snowcrash> kget
[11:03] <snowcrash> there is no link on the site
[11:03] <snowcrash> http://kget.sourceforge.net/
[11:03] <{Cricket}> everyone around here uses windows my live-in bf is like I need my own computer so I can play my games and not have to deal with that linux crap.
[11:03] <hegemony> i wish it were more common to find linux on public computers
[11:03] <golanz> anybody knows "appunti di informatica libera" ? An italian guide to free software, and linux?
[11:04] <KaiL> I'd say today you can find at least one selfdefined linux expert in each PC shop
[11:04] <kakalto> KaiL, not here
[11:04] <hegemony> libraries, schools, cafes
[11:04] <{Cricket}> not here either
[11:04] <KaiL> telling you that nothing works with Linux any you need at least 2 year old hardware
[11:04] <kakalto> KaiL, the people around here only know of linux, and have, at max, installed maybe 2 versions
[11:04] <kakalto> not knowing much about it
[11:04] <{Cricket}> I ask about it in my local computer shops and nothing.. they are like a girl that uses linux?! WTF is linux?!
[11:04] <kakalto> heheh
[11:04] <golanz> LOL
[11:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:05] <hegemony> linux needs more women using it
[11:05] <Tm_T> girl? WTF is girl??!
[11:05] <kakalto> lol
[11:05] <KaiL> lol
[11:05] <hegemony> that would help spread the love
[11:05] <kakalto> Tm_T, "man woman"
[11:05] <Tm_T> kakalto: hmm, something eatable?
[11:05] <{Cricket}> I'm proud to say I'm a geekgirl that uses linux...
[11:05] <kakalto> hegemony, I agree wit ya ;)
[11:05] <{Cricket}> sure we're edible Tm_T 
[11:05] <{Cricket}> =P
[11:05] <kakalto> Tm_T, well, I suppose it could be eatable...
[11:05] <{Cricket}> hehe
[11:05] <{Cricket}> but thats for another room.
[11:06] <kakalto> *cough*
[11:06] <snowcrash> hmm cant download kget
[11:06] <Tm_T> hehhe
[11:06] <{Cricket}> thats totally off topic for a linux room =)
[11:06] <Tm_T> {Cricket}: I take that one as an invitation ;)
[11:06] <KaiL> normally everybody should now run away... a girl? here?
[11:06] <{Cricket}> no it wasn't. My bf would break ur neck.
[11:06] <KaiL> snowcrash: enable universe
[11:06] <Tm_T> blah
[11:06] <{Cricket}> hahah
[11:07] <kakalto> I believe that {Cricket} is one-of-a-kind :P
[11:07] <{Cricket}> I think they all did it got all quiet
[11:07] <{Cricket}> lol
[11:07] <{Cricket}> I am I certainly am...
[11:07] <kakalto> You're unique, just like everyone else...
[11:07] <kakalto> :P
[11:07] <snowcrash> kail whats that 
[11:07] <{Cricket}> people have seen my pics after I told em I use linux and they are all like, "you don't look like much of a linux geek"..."ur a hottie though"
[11:07] <{Cricket}> its funny
[11:08] <Tm_T> Jethro Tull - Sossity; You're A Woman
[11:08] <kakalto> snowcrash, have you seen how to update repositories on www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:08] <kakalto> {Cricket}, lol :)
[11:08] <Tm_T> {Cricket}: you tell me =)
[11:08] <snowcrash> no wait
[11:08] <KaiL> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - for kubuntu see the "using terminal"-block
[11:08] <{Cricket}> if I hang around here for a bit I'll post my pics on my webserver and let you guys see what I look like.
[11:08] <kakalto> Can I do a bit of a survey on you guys?
[11:09] <Tm_T> sure
[11:09] <{Cricket}> survey away.
[11:09] <kakalto> Why do you use linux, instead of Windows or Mac OS or something more "common"?
[11:09] <Tm_T> {Cricket}: btw I know ~20 "linux girls" so it's not that rare
[11:10] <KaiL> kakalto: what except windows and macos is "more common"?
[11:10] <Tm_T> kakalto: hmm, free, stable, more flexible etc etc
[11:10] <kakalto> KaiL, I wrote that in case I missed a good OS or two
[11:11] <Tm_T> BeOS \o/
[11:11] <{Cricket}> for me, what drew me into linux was the way that I could configure it make it look the way I wanted it to without outside programs, then there were other reasons such as all the opensource projects, not to mention no viruses, none or less spyware...
[11:11] <Tm_T> heh
[11:11] <KaiL> no MacOS bacause I only have i386, no Windows because I dislike sooo much on it
[11:11] <{Cricket}> Tm_T thats great I know -20 females that use linux maybe 2 thats including me...
[11:12] <{Cricket}> anyways off to bed i go now guys laterz
[11:12] <kakalto> g'nite
[11:17] <snowcrash> ah ok 
[11:17] <snowcrash> its updating now 
[11:17] <snowcrash> nice :)
[11:18] <KaiL> firefox security update - but still no 1.0.3...
[11:19] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:19] <Tm_T> strange
[11:19] <Tm_T> ok, I broke my back
[11:19] <snowcrash> is eclipse also in the universe 
[11:19] <snowcrash> i mean the java ide
[11:19] <KaiL> snowcrash: don't think so
[11:19] <Tm_T> damn it's really hurt
[11:19] <snowcrash> ok so i have to install it manually 
[11:20] <KaiL> yes
[11:20] <snowcrash> funny thing my windows installation doesnt work anymore
[11:20] <KaiL> oh, ok
[11:20] <KaiL> 8 security issues fixed in mozilla-firefox-1.0.2-0ubuntu5.1
[11:21] <snowcrash> have to repair it, guess partition magic hided the partitions somehow 
[11:22] <snowcrash> whats the best browser on linux ?
[11:22] <Tm_T> FF
[11:23] <Tm_T> or Konqi
[11:23] <snowcrash> firefox or konqueror ?
[11:23] <Tm_T> or Opera
[11:23] <Tm_T> no no, Lynx <3
[11:23] <KaiL> snowcrash: you can discuss this forever
[11:24] <Tm_T> no need to discuss, it's Lynx
[11:25] <snowcrash> whats your fav theme
[11:26] <Tm_T> fav?
[11:27] <snowcrash> favourite
[11:27] <snowcrash> the one u use 
[11:27] <snowcrash> is there a site with very good linux tools listened ?
[11:28] <snowcrash> kail sure, i just try to get a nice overlook 
[11:28] <snowcrash> i use konqueror at the moment 
[11:28] <snowcrash> and ff
[11:29] <snowcrash> cool im downloading eclipse within kget
[11:29] <snowcrash> curious if its hard to install
[11:30] <Tm_T> snowcrash: I use Baghira
[11:30] <kakalto> g'nite all
[11:30] <snowcrash> bahira 
[11:30] <snowcrash> ?
[11:30] <snowcrash> what it 
[11:30] <Tm_T> kakalto: sleep well
[11:30] <snowcrash> sleep well dude
[11:30] <kakalto> I hope I will
[11:31] <kakalto> but with this cold, I might not wake up well
[11:31] <kakalto> maybe I'll skip school tomorrow
[11:31] <snowcrash> ah a theme
[11:31] <snowcrash> well i just use some plastic theme
[11:31] <snowcrash> its not that iportand to me 
[11:31] <Tm_T> snowcrash: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/
[11:32] <snowcrash> looks nice
[11:32] <Tm_T> hmm, it is
[11:36] <snowcrash> btw whats the differerence between lilo and grub
[11:36] <snowcrash> is lilo better ?
[11:37] <KaiL> also something for flamewars
[11:37] <Tm_T> ehh
[11:37] <snowcrash> ok so both are ok 
[11:37] <KaiL> they are just different ways to solve the problem
[11:37] <Tm_T> yes, grub is ok, lilo... is ok most of the time
[11:38] <KaiL> lilo works with every silly filesystem
[11:38] <KaiL> grub needs to be able to read the fs
[11:38] <snowcrash> hmm ok 
[11:39] <snowcrash> well i hope i can repair my win partition 
[11:39] <Tm_T> heh
[11:39] <snowcrash> lots of workfiles still on it 
[11:39] <snowcrash> somehow it seems that my inet connect works faster on linux
[11:39] <snowcrash> maybe its just an illusion 
[11:40] <KaiL> maybe just less load, because of missing phone-homes
[11:41] <JensK> 
[11:41] <snowcrash> whats a good software firewall 
[11:41] <snowcrash> or is there one active by default ?
[11:43] <snowcrash> hehe if im asking to much let me know 
[11:53] <Tm_T> ehh, "firewall" is in kernel, but firestarter is good gui to control it
[11:58] <snowcrash> Requirements:   
[11:58] <snowcrash>   Red Hat Linux 8.0,Red Hat Linux 7.2, Fedora Core 1
[11:58] <snowcrash> does that mean that it wont work on ubunutu ?
[11:58] <snowcrash> its the nokia development kit 
[11:58] <Diablo-D3> no, it means the manufacturer is fucking retarded.
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> I rest my case.
[11:59] <snowcrash> nice 
[11:59] <snowcrash> but it will work on ubuntu as well 
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> It...might.
[11:59] <Diablo-D3> is it distributed in rpm form?
[12:02] <snowcrash> http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/0,6566,034-2,00.html
[12:03] <snowcrash> its that one 
[12:03] <Diablo-D3> Im a little too busy to look
[12:07] <snowcrash> file:///home/snowcrash/eclipse-SDK-3.0.2-linux-gtk.zip
[12:07] <snowcrash> uh
[12:07] <snowcrash> Nokia Developer's Suite 2.2 for J2ME (nds_j2me_linux_v2_2.tar, 34.9 MB) 
[12:07] <snowcrash> thats it 
[12:07] <Diablo-D3> ... dude.
[12:13] <snowcrash> ok
[12:13] <snowcrash> well my second day on linux so ... :)
[12:13] <Kamping_in_doze> :) hello 
[12:13] <snowcrash> hey !
[12:14] <Kamping_in_doze> so day 2 is good?
[12:15] <snowcrash> yeah
[12:15] <snowcrash> everything works fine 
[12:15] <snowcrash> now im installing java sdk 
[12:15] <snowcrash> and eclipse 
[12:15] <Kamping_in_doze> cool
[12:15] <snowcrash> my win partition s still damaged
[12:15] <snowcrash> hope i can repair that 
[12:15] <snowcrash> later
[12:15] <Kamping_in_doze> how did you damage it?
[12:16] <snowcrash> partition magic did 
[12:16] <snowcrash> it hided that partitions 
[12:16] <snowcrash> have to unhide it somehow 
[12:16] <Diablo-D3> erm
[12:16] <Kamping_in_doze> is it ntfs?
[12:16] <snowcrash> yes
[12:16] <Diablo-D3> you probably converted it to a logical partition
[12:16] <snowcrash> Diablo-D3: when i choose win it loads
[12:16] <snowcrash> but then i get a blue screen 
[12:16] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[12:17] <Diablo-D3> XP?
[12:17] <snowcrash> and it says cant find autchck 
[12:17] <snowcrash> yeah 
[12:17] <snowcrash> and stops 
[12:17] <Diablo-D3> reinstall XP
[12:17] <Diablo-D3> its a known bug with Xp
[12:17] <Kamping_in_doze> install 2k ;) thats what i did
[12:17] <snowcrash> known bug ?
[12:17] <verden01> has anyone withan AMD64 system done chroot?
[12:17] <Diablo-D3> snowcrash: yeah, XP basically freaks out if you touch the primary partition
[12:17] <Diablo-D3> snowcrash: it doesnt always do it, btw
[12:18] <snowcrash> Diablo-D3: i have an image of the partition 
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> snowcrash: but Ive never seen it happen with win2k either
[12:18] <Diablo-D3> you could try restoring the image
[12:18] <snowcrash> but first i try to unhide the partition 
[12:18] <snowcrash> guess thats the error 
[12:18] <snowcrash> its possible with ptedit 
[12:19] <snowcrash> but first i have to get it on a ms stardisc somehow 
[12:19] <snowcrash> startdisc
[12:19] <snowcrash> is it possible to carry data via usb stick from linux to windows ?
[12:19] <snowcrash> guess so 
[12:19] <snowcrash> right 
[12:19] <Kamping_in_doze> yes...
[12:19] <snowcrash> cool 
[12:20] <snowcrash> it sucks that u can boot by usb stick :)
[12:20] <snowcrash> i hate floppys
[12:20] <Kamping_in_doze> :I i think most usb sticks are supported
[12:20] <snowcrash> they always remind me on that old c64 5 1/4 "
[12:20] <snowcrash> which isnt bad
[12:21] <snowcrash> ah btw if u guys like industrial and c64 music u can download a nice one by me www.gerhardzeissl.net - delta 
[12:21] <snowcrash> hmm now i have to find that stick 
[12:22] <snowcrash> ah 
[12:22] <snowcrash> works 
[12:23] <Kamping_in_doze> cool
[12:23] <Kamping_in_doze> plug in and it goes?
[12:25] <snowcrash> exactly
[12:25] <Kamping_in_doze> cool.
[12:25] <snowcrash> hmm i wonder if its hard to install java on ubuntu
[12:25] <Kamping_in_doze> depends, but i think it was relatively easy
[12:26] <snowcrash> guess a .txt comes with it 
[12:26] <Kamping_in_doze> well, a text file, it has no extention
[12:26] <snowcrash> to install something just means to put it within the right dirs under linux, right
[12:27] <snowcrash> hehe ok 
[12:27] <sauli> I installed kubuntu but how I make sounds work no it is silence
[12:27] <Kamping_in_doze> it should work it out, snowcrash, depends what the installer wants. thats where the text files handy ;)
[12:27] <snowcrash> well its a rpm file 
[12:28] <snowcrash> so i guess it works automatically 
[12:28] <Kamping_in_doze> rpm you need alien
[12:28] <Kamping_in_doze> which is installed by default iirc
[12:28] <Kamping_in_doze> alien -i rpmname.rpm
[12:28] <snowcrash> ah ok 
[12:29] <snowcrash> well is it better to get the .tar version ?
[12:29] <Kamping_in_doze> if you get the tar you have to compile it (reasonably easy) if you get hte rpm do what i just showed you
[12:31] <snowcrash> ok
[12:34] <snowcrash> for my single room in which i life together with my gf, i have to much laptops here :) 
[12:35] <Kamping_in_doze> :) 
[12:35] <snowcrash> next week i get another one from my new company, but i dont have any further space
[12:36] <Kamping_in_doze> lol. need some more shelves
[12:36] <snowcrash> hehe 
[12:37] <Kamping_in_doze> i virtualy have a pc museum.
[12:37] <snowcrash> hehe
[12:37] <Kamping_in_doze> its cool
[12:37] <snowcrash> well if i would have lots of space i would get a c64 
[12:37] <snowcrash> and vc20 
[12:37] <Diablo-D3> hah
[12:37] <snowcrash> do u have so much pcs inside yer room 
[12:37] <Kamping_in_doze> i have a c64 monitor, but no c64 yet
[12:38] <Kamping_in_doze> whats a vc20?
[12:38] <Diablo-D3> SID++
[12:38] <snowcrash> yeah sid :)
[12:38] <snowcrash> sid rocks 
[12:38] <Kamping_in_doze> ?
[12:38] <snowcrash> sid is the soundchip of the c64
[12:38] <snowcrash> vc20 is the computer before the c64
[12:39] <Kamping_in_doze> ah.
[12:39] <Kamping_in_doze> not sure what my oldest system is. probably my amstrad
[12:39] <Kamping_in_doze> need a mouse for it though :(
[12:39] <snowcrash> :)
[12:40] <Kamping_in_doze> it sits and beeps but wont boot without a mouse
[12:44] <snowcrash> i wonder that i never tested linux 
[12:54] <Tm_T> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[01:31] <chx_> I do not know whether any kubuntu maintainer is here, but if (s)he is, I'd like to congratulate. I bought a scanner, plugged in, started kooka and started scanning. No apt was run. Nice job.
[01:31] <chx_> (OK, I consulted the sane project page before shopping but still.)
[01:32] <darkaudit> chx_: lucky :) Someone else bough me my scanner... doesn't work w/ SANE, and probably never will :(
[01:32] <Tm_T> hah
[01:33] <chx_> darkaudit: I am not lucky, I am informed. I took care to buy a scanner with "complete" support from SANE :)
[01:33] <chx_> darkaudit: what surprised me is that I do not need to install anything it was true plug and play
[01:34] <chx_> darkaudit: just as I plugged in May 11 13:17:42 IP-62-93 usb.agent[16997] :      libusbscanner: loaded successfully
[01:35] <darkaudit> chx_: I was finally able to separate the linux & XP setups to their own boxes... put the scanner on the XP one
[01:35] <Tm_T> true plug and pray =)
[01:35] <chx_> darkaudit: kooka was installed, I started it and immediately it identified my LiDE 20. (I doubt there is a cheaper yet working scanner. This costs ~40-50USD)
[01:36] <chx_> Tm_T plug and PRAY is for Windows. plug and plug is for Kubuntu :D
[01:36] <chx_> plug and play is for Kubuntu
[01:36] <chx_> I am way too tired :(
[01:36] <darkaudit> and then samba'd my music folder to play via Musicmatch on the XP box upstairs... running amaroK with the *good* speakers down here :)
[01:36] <chx_> wow
[01:36] <chx_> I managed to run iTunes under Crossover
[01:36] <Tm_T> I use amaroK :)
[01:37] <Tm_T> <3 it
[01:37] <chx_> even the ITMS works.
[01:37] <chx_> That's a great thing despite the very limited availability... one million tracks? that's nothing.
[01:38] <F_for_Fragging> can someone please help me with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32177 ? suddenly I don't have sound on Kubuntu anymore
[01:40] <chx_> darkaudit: which client do you use?
[01:41] <chx_> F_for_Fragging: have you read http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211 ?
[01:41] <darkaudit> irssi... got the AmarokID script off the amaroK site
[01:41] <Tm_T> darkaudit: oh please don't use any script
[01:41] <Tm_T> that'll do it ;)
[01:41] <chx_> irssi?
[01:41] <chx_> is that KDE?
[01:42] <Tm_T> haha
[01:42] <Tm_T> chx_: irssi.org
[01:42] <darkaudit> chx_: similar to BitchX... runs in a terminal... aterm in my case :)
[01:42] <darkaudit> Tm_T: it'll only come up when I type /amarokid... not automatic
[01:42] <F_for_Fragging> chx: yes I read it, but doesn't have to do with my problem, because I did have the sound working from the start
[01:42] <Tm_T> darkaudit: so don't use it ;)
[01:43] <Tm_T> darkaudit: why not just usa "manual np" like me
[01:43] <chx_> F_for_Fragging: apt-get upgrade could break it. but I really do not know. (I am avoiding Creative sound cards like plague. Sorry.)
[01:43] <F_for_Fragging> chx: I tried the steps described in that post, but when I want to compile the alsa driver Kubuntu whines about GCC not being installed, even though it is installed
[01:43] <Tm_T> ehh
[01:44] <Tm_T> F_for_Fragging: it must be _correct_ version
[01:44] <darkaudit> hmm... running my Audigy 2 card has worked better than using the onboard sound
[01:44] <Kamping_in_doze> might be missing symlinks to gcc?
[01:44] <F_for_Fragging> Tm_T: which version of what?
[01:44] <snowcrash> re
[01:45] <snowcrash> got win working again
[01:45] <darkaudit> *bleep* Maureen O'Gara :p
[01:45] <Tm_T> F_for_Fragging: gcc
[01:45] <Tm_T> afaik
[01:45] <snowcrash> btw that java file is a rpm.bin
[01:45] <snowcrash> what does that mean
[01:45] <Kamping_in_doze> binary rpm iirc?
[01:45] <snowcrash> hmm how to install this ?
[01:45] <snowcrash> should i rename it to rpm
[01:46] <Kamping_in_doze> f_for_fragging. what does locate gcc-3.4 give you
[01:46] <Kamping_in_doze> ?
[01:46] <snowcrash> hmm ?
[01:46] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash. i havent installed one of them. try though a terminal
[01:46] <snowcrash> oh ok
[01:46] <F_for_Fragging> locate gcc-3.4 gives me nothing
[01:47] <Kamping_in_doze> just running it as a bin file, if it fails, you might need to convert it with alien
[01:47] <F_for_Fragging> but isn't GCC installed by default?
[01:47] <Kamping_in_doze> f_for_fragging. i just remembered you might not have an up to date db. run "sudo updatedb &"
[01:47] <Kamping_in_doze> and yes, it *should* be installed by default
[01:49] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: thank you, I'm trying that now
[01:50] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: after my db is updated I should try compiling again?
[01:55] <Kamping_in_doze> back
[01:55] <Kamping_in_doze> f_for_fragging. after that run "locate gcc"
[01:55] <snowcrash> welcome back 
[01:55] <Kamping_in_doze> infact 
[01:55] <Kamping_in_doze> run "locate gcc |grep bin
[01:56] <Kamping_in_doze> to find the gcc executeable and where it is
[01:56] <snowcrash> whats the terminal command for the text editor 
[01:56] <Kamping_in_doze> and hallo snowcrash ;)
[01:56] <snowcrash> hehe 
[01:56] <snowcrash> hallo 
[01:56] <snowcrash> are u from germany btw ?
[01:56] <Kamping_in_doze> which text editor? vi, emacs, nano, gedit, kate, etc
[01:56] <snowcrash> how gedit ?
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> been there, but not living there
[01:57] <snowcrash> im from austria salzburg 
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> gedits gnomes text editor. what i use :p
[01:57] <snowcrash> well lived in berlin some time 
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> cool
[01:57] <snowcrash> because of a job 
[01:57] <snowcrash> well company run bankrupt 
[01:57] <snowcrash> then i went back to vienna 
[01:57] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: thank you for your help, I'll try that
[01:57] <snowcrash> and later moved to sbg to my gf
[01:58] <Kamping_in_doze> :) cool. 
[01:58] <snowcrash> do u use icq or something ?
[01:58] <Kamping_in_doze> irc,icq,msn,yahoo!, whatever ppl want to use
[01:59] <Kamping_in_doze> but yes i do
[02:01] <Kamping_in_doze> F_for_fragging. hows it going?
[02:02] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash. hows the install going?
[02:02] <snowcrash> well added you 
[02:02] <snowcrash> its goin on 
[02:02] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: one moment
[02:03] <Kamping_in_doze> how are you installing it snow?
[02:03] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: /usr/X11R6/bin/gccmakedep
[02:03] <F_for_Fragging> that's what it gives now
[02:03] <Kamping_in_doze> hm. try "locate gcc-3."
[02:03] <snowcrash> Kamping_in_doze: found a way to install it via apt-get
[02:04] <snowcrash> but i would like to install something manually as well 
[02:04] <snowcrash> i mean i guess many software u have to compile and copy in the right destinations 
[02:04] <snowcrash> until it works
[02:04] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash. programs you compile come with a special file called a make file.
[02:05] <Kamping_in_doze> these files find all hte stuff you need on your computer, and when its compiled puts the files where they need to go
[02:06] <darkaudit> heh... running the sidenet wine config... the IE license agreement is blank :)
[02:06] <snowcrash> sure i know makefiles from windows as well
[02:06] <snowcrash> back from the old c coding days
[02:06] <snowcrash> and even asm and c++ 
[02:06] <snowcrash> sun-j2sdk1.5.0 
[02:07] <Kamping_in_doze> :) your 5 languages up on me
[02:07] <Kamping_in_doze> f_for_fragging, run "sudo 
[02:07] <Kamping_in_doze> sorry, theres more
[02:07] <snowcrash> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:07] <snowcrash>   sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[02:07] <snowcrash> is that bad error ?
[02:07] <snowcrash> i mean shouldnt i install 
[02:07] <Kamping_in_doze> nope. not imo, but is if you run a server
[02:07] <darkaudit> snowcrash: no
[02:07] <snowcrash> ok 
[02:07] <snowcrash> pretty easy to install software with apt-get
[02:08] <Kamping_in_doze> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3 <- f_for_fragging try that
[02:08] <snowcrash> kamping and this rpm.bin file u dont know how to install this 
[02:08] <darkaudit> F_for_Fragging: there's also the build-essentials package :)
[02:08] <Kamping_in_doze> :) didnt know that
[02:08] <snowcrash> lol i can open it in kate
[02:09] <darkaudit> IIRC you can strip the .bin and install the rpm w/ alien
[02:09] <snowcrash> ok
[02:10] <Kamping_in_doze> alien -i filename.rpm (in case you forgot)
[02:10] <snowcrash> sure i will do that first
[02:12] <snowcrash> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[02:12] <snowcrash>   sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[02:12] <snowcrash> ugg
[02:12] <Kamping_in_doze> thats ok
[02:12] <snowcrash> alien failt 
[02:13] <darkaudit> ubuntu's apt is very picky about GPG keys
[02:13] <Kamping_in_doze> what was the error?
[02:13] <transgress> i think you can tell it not to be though
[02:14] <snowcrash> lots of 
[02:15] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: gcc-3.3 is installed now
[02:15] <snowcrash> snowcrash@ubuntu:~$ sudo alien -i jdk15.rpm
[02:15] <snowcrash> mkdir: cannot create directory `jdk15.rpm:': File exists
[02:15] <snowcrash> mkdir: cannot create directory `read': File exists
[02:15] <snowcrash> mkdir: cannot create directory `manifest': File exists
[02:15] <snowcrash> mkdir: cannot create directory `failed:': File exists
[02:15] <snowcrash> mkdir: cannot create directory `Success': File exists
[02:15] <Kamping_in_doze> delete the files
[02:15] <snowcrash> sh: line 1: -jdk15.rpm:: command not found
[02:15] <snowcrash> sh: line 1: -jdk15.rpm:: command not found
[02:15] <transgress> snowcrash: why are you trying to install the jdk rpm?
[02:15] <snowcrash> sh: -c: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[02:15] <snowcrash> sh: -c: line 2: `; cpio --extract --make-directories --no-absolute-filenames --preserve-modification-time) 2>&1'
[02:15] <transgress> snowcrash: #flood
[02:15] <snowcrash> sorry
[02:15] <transgress> uh huh
[02:16] <transgress> snowcrash: why aren't you just apting java?
[02:16] <snowcrash> hmm because i have it on my disc
[02:16] <snowcrash> but yeah ok i can apting it as well 
[02:16] <snowcrash> which results in a second download
[02:16] <transgress> yes, but a download that works
[02:16] <Kamping_in_doze> F_F_Fragging. now try running the install thing again
[02:16] <snowcrash> hehe ok 
[02:17] <snowcrash> u convinced me 
[02:17] <transgress> did you read the wiki on installing java?
[02:17] <transgress> i mean i guess if you are on dialup or something it might suck because it's like 13 megs or something...
[02:17] <snowcrash> yes
[02:17] <snowcrash> it says use apting :)
[02:17] <transgress> apt...
[02:18] <snowcrash> yepp apt
[02:18] <snowcrash> ok i use apt now 
[02:18] <transgress> not apting heh... and yes i know what it says... i was wondering if you read it so you can follow the instructions
[02:18] <snowcrash> i already did 
[02:18] <snowcrash> but i downloaded this file from sun before 
[02:18] <snowcrash> and thought i try this before 
[02:18] <snowcrash> but u are right 
[02:19] <transgress> it is much easier
[02:19] <snowcrash> yeah but after it i have to install j2me 
[02:19] <transgress> have loads of fun
[02:19] <F_for_Fragging> checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unsupported soundcard emu10k1
[02:19] <snowcrash> i bet i will 
[02:19] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: the configure script works now, but after some time it gives this error
[02:20] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: maybe it's because I have an Audigy 1 and not an Audigy 2?
[02:20] <Kamping_in_doze> looks like you have the wrong driver (?) but i havent had to make my own sound drivers before
[02:22] <snowcrash> hmm i still cant read the windows partitions with konqueror is that normal ?
[02:22] <transgress> did you mount them with samba?
[02:22] <snowcrash> but it shows me that they exist 
[02:22] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: I never had to either, my sound was working fine for some weeks after I installed Kubuntu
[02:22] <snowcrash> samba 
[02:22] <snowcrash> not dont think so 
[02:22] <snowcrash> i will search google for it 
[02:22] <transgress> err 
[02:22] <transgress> not somba
[02:22] <transgress> samba is remotely
[02:22] <transgress> my bad... but did you mount them?
[02:22] <snowcrash> ahem somba
[02:22] <transgress> and are they ntfs?
[02:22] <snowcrash> no 
[02:22] <snowcrash> yes
[02:23] <Kamping_in_doze> f_F_Fragging. check its not muted or similar
[02:23] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: but for some strange reason, only video files with AC-3 sound work now, rest of the sound doesn't work
[02:23] <transgress> ntfs is a bitch, but they can be mounted... but... you have to mount them before you can view them
[02:23] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: I checked with KMix but nothing is muted
[02:23] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash "mount -t ntfx /dev/hd* /mnt/mounthere"
[02:23] <snowcrash> ok
[02:23] <transgress> good god that pot blasted me back like a decade... i'm still out of it...
[02:24] <transgress> so please excuse my slowness
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> hey, anyone here from india ?
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> i want to buy kubuntu cd
[02:24] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: so I wonder if there is some way to reset the settings for the sound in KDE?
[02:24] <Kamping_in_doze> F_F_Fragging. not sure then. did you install somthing that might have stopped the sound?
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> transgress: do u still mail mako@canonical.com ?
[02:25] <incubii> bloody hell i cant connect to austnet
[02:25] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: no, I didn't install anything
[02:25] <transgress> da_bon_bon: yes, but he just emailed me back saying it's noted, but not planned anytime soon and that is mentioned on the new faq
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> transgress: right.. so we can forget about it... atleast, i can :)
[02:26] <Kamping_in_doze> F_For_fragging, i dont know kde, so i cant help you there
[02:26] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: I remember that I was watching a video file with AC-3 sound, I pressed the mute-key accidentitally and then unmuted it again
[02:26] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: after that only AC-3 worked, and other sound didn't
[02:26] <snowcrash> ../mnt/mounthere what does that part mean kamping 
[02:27] <Kamping_in_doze> check the video programs settings, see if they are system wide etc
[02:27] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: video program I was using was Kaffeine
[02:27] <transgress> snowcrash: i think you may be in over your head and in need of reading the linux for beginners howto on tldp
[02:27] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash. thats the folder you want to mount to, you ususaly make one first. or mount directly into /mnt
[02:27] <F_for_Fragging> Kamping_in_doze: anyway thanks for your help, I think I'll ask in the Kubuntu forum again then
[02:28] <Kamping_in_doze> :) ok cool mate
[02:28] <Kamping_in_doze> good luclk
[02:28] <Kamping_in_doze> *luck
[02:28] <snowcrash> kamping where usually place such a folder ... at home ?
[02:28] <snowcrash> or it doesnt matter ?
[02:28] <transgress> snowcrash: usually in /mnt
[02:29] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash. /mnt/ is a folder
[02:29] <Kamping_in_doze> for mounting stuff into
[02:29] <snowcrash> i see
[02:29] <Kamping_in_doze> if you type "ls /" its in that list
[02:30] <snowcrash> mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfx'
[02:30] <snowcrash> is it ntfs 
[02:30] <transgress> yes
[02:30] <Kamping_in_doze> NT File System
[02:31] <snowcrash> damn now it writes 
[02:31] <snowcrash> mount: special device /dev/hd1 does not exist
[02:31] <Kamping_in_doze> hda
[02:31] <transgress> because it's probably hda1
[02:31] <snowcrash> ah yeah 
[02:31] <snowcrash> my fault, works :)
[02:31] <Kamping_in_doze> i used to have hda12. that was intence
[02:32] <transgress> haha
[02:32] <snowcrash> hehehe
[02:32] <Kamping_in_doze> :)
[02:32] <snowcrash> lol now the folder has a lock on it 
[02:32] <snowcrash> and i cant get into 
[02:32] <Kamping_in_doze> you have to be root.
[02:32] <transgress> eh?
[02:32] <Kamping_in_doze> its to stop you screwing with it
[02:33] <snowcrash> hmm im root 
[02:33] <transgress> ntfs mounts as root only?
[02:33] <Kamping_in_doze> if you mount from fstab you can read it as everyone
[02:33] <snowcrash> yes but im root 
[02:33] <Kamping_in_doze> trans. from cli yes. iirc theres a uid= option that changes it
[02:33] <Kamping_in_doze> snowcrash. your konqueror wont be root
[02:34] <transgress> i see... i don't often mount other partitions... last time i did was for the gentoo install
[02:34] <snowcrash> ah ok 
[02:34] <snowcrash> how can i set it root 
[02:34] <transgress> snowcrash: sudo konqueror
[02:34] <Kamping_in_doze> in the terminal
[02:34] <snowcrash> ah yeah what else 
[02:34] <Kamping_in_doze> yeh or that ;)
[02:34] <Kamping_in_doze> in a terminal, or konqueror &
[02:35] <transgress> okay maybe i can go back to sleep now
[02:35] <Kamping_in_doze> sure mate ;P
[02:35] <transgress> ima try to sleep off the rest of this whacked out feeling i have... hydro was too strong heh.
[02:35] <Kamping_in_doze> lol
[02:35] <Kamping_in_doze> im impressed your here
[02:36] <transgress> heh it was last night.... already slept like 4 hours and i'm still kind of out of it
[02:36] <transgress> anways... later Kamping_in_doze 
[02:36] <Kamping_in_doze> what time is it where you are?
[02:36] <Kamping_in_doze> latter transgress
[02:38] <snowcrash> whats the best mp3 player
[02:39] <darkaudit> YMMV, but I'm sold on amaroK
[02:39] <Kamping_in_doze> depends. amarok in kde
[02:40] <snowcrash> whats fstab
[02:40] <snowcrash> better to mount it with that, isnt it 
[02:41] <Kamping_in_doze> File System TABle. its where the os stores partitions it wants to mount on bootup
[02:41] <snowcrash> oh that means i have to use it with grub 
[02:41] <snowcrash> somehow 
[02:42] <Kamping_in_doze> you need to edit the file using a text editor as root, then mount the new hard drive, and your done
[02:42] <snowcrash> fstab file ?
[02:42] <Kamping_in_doze> yes. its a list of hard drive partitions, and where to mount them
[02:43] <snowcrash> ok 
[02:43] <snowcrash> gonna check it out 
[02:43] <Kamping_in_doze> sudo $EDITOR /etc/fstab
[02:44] <Kamping_in_doze> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[02:44] <snowcrash> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[02:44] <snowcrash> type is nitf 
[02:44] <snowcrash> ah ok 
[02:44] <Kamping_in_doze> for your future reading ;)
[02:45] <snowcrash> well ok 
[02:45] <snowcrash> i feel i ask to much here :D 
[02:46] <Kamping_in_doze> :) your easy
[02:46] <Kamping_in_doze> i had to log into one blokes system to fix him up :P
[02:51] <snowcrash> sound works 
[02:51] <snowcrash> sudo mount /dev/hda5 /media/DataWindows/ -t ntfs -o umask=000
[02:51] <Kamping_in_doze> :) always nice
[02:51] <snowcrash> worked
[02:51] <Kamping_in_doze> :) good
[02:51] <snowcrash> now i can acess it from everywhere
[02:51] <Kamping_in_doze> shall we do fstab? make it permanant?
[02:52] <snowcrash> gonna do it tommorow, gotta have a shower soon, later some guy comes buy to sell me a old car 
[02:52] <snowcrash> if i like it 
[02:52] <Kamping_in_doze> ok :0
[02:53] <Kamping_in_doze> have fun :)
[02:53] <snowcrash> well i need one im little outside the city 
[02:53] <Kamping_in_doze> how far?
[02:53] <snowcrash> not that far, but sbg u know is not blessed with public transport 
[02:53] <Kamping_in_doze> mm :(
[02:53] <snowcrash> dont want to go by bus to work 
[02:54] <snowcrash> because that makes me weird and then i quit the job before it really started :D
[02:54] <snowcrash> so better i try to get a car
[02:54] <Kamping_in_doze> ha :D
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india here ?
[02:54] <snowcrash> this amarok player is really fine 
[02:55] <snowcrash> india, nice on freenode it seems all ppl come together
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> snowcrash: u from india >?
[02:57] <snowcrash> da_bon_bon: no not at all 
[02:58] <snowcrash> but i had a indian pupil once, he worked as taxi driver and i teached him coding for his school at night 
[02:58] <snowcrash> anyway off to shower 
[02:59] <Kamping_in_doze> bye mate
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> i WANT kubuntu
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> :(
[02:59] <Kamping_in_doze> :( why cant you get cds?
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_in_doze: coz my net connection is slow
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> 2kbps
[03:01] <Kamping_in_doze> as in ... 16kbps ? IE less then a 28.8Kb/s modem?
[03:01] <snowcrash> kamping that mount i did isnt permanent ?
[03:01] <Kamping_in_doze> no
[03:01] <snowcrash> oh ok 
[03:01] <Kamping_in_doze> only untill you reboot
[03:01] <snowcrash> well what do write in fstab?
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_in_doze: it is actually cable net
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> but higher plan = more money
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> that i dont have
[03:02] <Kamping_in_doze> iirc
[03:02] <Kamping_in_doze> yeh :(
[03:02] <snowcrash> da_bon_bon: cant u order it from the offical site
[03:02] <Kamping_in_doze>  /dev/hda5   /media/DataWindows/ ntfs	defaults,ro,uid=0222	0 0 
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> snowcrash: where ?
[03:03] <Kamping_in_doze> only Ubuntu i thought?
[03:04] <snowcrash> /dev/hda3       /               ext2    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[03:04] <Kamping_in_doze> only Ubuntu has cds. Kubuntu has to be downloaded
[03:04] <snowcrash> is the default in fstab
[03:04] <Kamping_in_doze> or install ubuntu, and kubuntufy it
[03:04] <Kamping_in_doze> the one i put up there should be correct
[03:04] <snowcrash> da_bon_bon: order some mag they often come with cds 
[03:04] <snowcrash> some linux mag
[03:04] <Kamping_in_doze> but thats from memory. look at the example at the top :)
[03:05] <snowcrash> ah ok 
[03:05] <snowcrash> man u are that fast
[03:05] <snowcrash> i even havent seen it 
[03:05] <snowcrash> :D
[03:05] <Kamping_in_doze> :)
[03:05] <Kamping_in_doze>  /dev/hda5   /media/DataWindows/ ntfs	defaults,ro,uid=0222	0 0 
[03:05] <Kamping_in_doze> in case you missed it
[03:06] <Kamping_in_doze> the only bit that might be wrong is the defaults,ro,uid=0222 bit, otherwise its fine
[03:06] <Kamping_in_doze> da_bon_bon. where in india are you?
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_in_doze: mumbai
[03:07] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:07] <Kamping_in_doze> hi kyaneos
[03:07] <Kamping_in_doze> da_bon_bon, north? i dont remember
[03:07] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_in_doze: west.. u've been to india ?
[03:07] <snowcrash> kamping whats that uid stuff
[03:08] <Kamping_in_doze> it makes it so you can read it as all users
[03:08] <snowcrash> should i rather strip it 
[03:08] <snowcrash> oh ah ok 
[03:08] <Kamping_in_doze> d_b_b. no, but i have looked at it on the map :D
[03:08] <snowcrash> now im gonna listen my own tracks on linux 
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_in_doze: ohok
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> Kamping_in_doze: hey, u know about tab completion ?
[03:09] <Kamping_in_doze> yes...
[03:11] <da_bon_bon> then why did ya say d_b_b :)
[03:11] <Kamping_in_doze> because this client doesnt have it :S
[03:25] <snowcrash> ahh damn 
[03:25] <snowcrash> Setting up sun-j2sdk1.5.0 (02-1) ...
[03:25] <snowcrash> Removing old /usr/bin/javaws
[03:25] <snowcrash> ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so' to `/etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin_oji.so': No such file or directory
[03:25] <snowcrash> dpkg: error processing sun-j2sdk1.5.0 (--configure):
[03:25] <snowcrash>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:25] <snowcrash> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:25] <snowcrash>  sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[03:25] <snowcrash> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:25] <snowcrash> ugg guess i flooded the channel again 
[03:26] <Kamping_in_doze> bbs. try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:28] <snowcrash> hmm
[03:28] <snowcrash> dont seem to work 
[03:28] <snowcrash> doesnt 
[03:38] <Kamping_in_doze> back
[03:38] <Kamping_in_doze> hm. that probably should habe been bbl
[03:39] <Kamping_in_doze> what does apt-get -f install say?
[03:41] <snowcrash> hmm 
[03:41] <snowcrash> seems 
[03:41] <snowcrash> that its Package java2-runtime is not installed.
[03:41] <Kamping_in_doze> ok.
[03:42] <snowcrash> means ?
[03:43] <Kamping_in_doze> um...
[03:43] <Kamping_in_doze> did you install using apt?
[03:43] <snowcrash> yes
[03:43] <snowcrash> gotme that errors at last
[03:44] <snowcrash> ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so' to `/etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin_oji.so': No such file or directory
[03:44] <snowcrash> dpkg: error processing sun-j2sdk1.5.0 (--configure):
[03:44] <snowcrash>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:44] <snowcrash> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of java-ubuntu:
[03:44] <Kamping_in_doze> right. its not installing somthing
[03:44] <Kamping_in_doze> ah. the mozilla plugins notthere
[03:45] <snowcrash> aha
[03:45] <snowcrash> means :) ?
[03:45] <snowcrash> i mean he can just skip it 
[03:45] <Kamping_in_doze> well, the file that it wants to have as the plugins missing
[03:46] <snowcrash> i need to install the plug in separate =
[03:46] <snowcrash> ?
[03:46] <Kamping_in_doze> no, try apt-get --force install sun-j2sdk.1.5.0 or whatever its called
[03:46] <snowcrash> oh ok 
[03:49] <snowcrash> force isnt a parametr 
[03:49] <Kamping_in_doze> hm. ok. well i cant check because im in doze.
[03:49] <snowcrash> E: Command line option --force is not understood
[03:49] <Kamping_in_doze> apt-get --help
[03:49] <snowcrash> yepp but which one to choose instead
[03:50] <Kamping_in_doze> anything that sounds like it?
[03:50] <snowcrash> not really 
[03:50] <snowcrash>   -h  This help text.
[03:50] <Kamping_in_doze> pity you need help today :/ i hope to be back in linux in a few days
[03:50] <snowcrash>   -q  Loggable output - no progress indicator
[03:50] <snowcrash>   -qq No output except for errors
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -d  Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -s  No-act. Perform ordering simulation
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -y  Assume Yes to all queries and do not prompt
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -f  Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -m  Attempt to continue if archives are unlocatable
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -u  Show a list of upgraded packages as well
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -b  Build the source package after fetching it
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -V  Show verbose version numbers
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -c=? Read this configuration file
[03:51] <snowcrash>   -o=? Set an arbitrary configuration option, eg -o dir::cache=/tmp
[03:51] <snowcrash> See the apt-get(8), sources.list(5) and apt.conf(5) manual
[03:51] <snowcrash> hehe 
[03:51] <snowcrash> well its not that bad dont wont to stop u from something else 
[03:52] <Kamping_in_doze> im only reading, so helping you is fine. you might have to try dpkg to install the file, but im not sure why its failing now
[03:54] <Tm_T> hmm, flood?
[03:54] <snowcrash> dpkg ?
[03:55] <snowcrash> well anyway i will stop with questions for today :) 
[03:55] <snowcrash> thnx for help anyway
[03:55] <Kamping_in_doze> thats ok. see you another time :)
[03:56] <snowcrash> sure tommorow :D 
[03:56] <snowcrash> haha 
[03:56] <Kamping_in_doze> heh. lol
[03:56] <snowcrash> na ok nice day u all cyas :)
[04:30] <closure> ok
[04:31] <closure> this is bothering me
[04:31] <closure> my sound is always on balanced all the way to the left when i boot
[04:31] <closure> does anybody know how to fix this?
[04:32] <Kamping_in_doze> is it in kmixer?
[04:32] <closure> Kamping_in_doze, what do you mean?
[04:33] <Kamping_in_doze> can you change it with the kmixer applet? its in system -> sound iirc
[04:34] <closure> i'm not sure
[04:34] <closure> but i change it every time with xmms
[04:34] <closure> i think i tried with kmixer and it didn't set it at all
[04:34] <Kamping_in_doze> i dont know then, sorry
[04:36] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:36] <closure> np
[04:42] <closure> hi Tm_T 
[04:47] <slushpupie> does anyone have any exprience with securID cards and KDM ?
[05:04] <Tm_T> looks like I'm gonna build my amaroK again
[05:17] <morten> Greetings and saultations (..... or however you spell that=
[05:18] <_nate_sleeping> greetings and assaultations
[05:19] <john6000> im downloading kubuntu now
[05:19] <john6000> it looks REALLLLLY GOOD
[05:20] <john6000> its the only linx i know with the latest v of KDE
[05:20] <morten> well... I just installed Firefox with apt-get... but when i launch it.. I get something that..... a index.html is missing
[05:20] <morten> I think it's from..... /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home... something like that... anyone of you had that fault aswell ?
[05:20] <john6000> apt-get ? ? ? ?? 
[05:20] <_nate_sleeping> morten: thats just your homepage
[05:20] <_nate_sleeping> morten: just change it
[05:20] <morten> ahhh :P brillaint
[05:21] <morten> hehe, Thats.... seems that everything is running now then :p
[05:22] <john6000> http://linuxfocus.org/English/July2002/article252.shtml
[05:24] <john6000> hi
[06:06] <john6000> wow slax is really really good
[06:07] <{Cricket}> yea slax is really good...
[06:10] <scandium> hi, does anybody know where I can find Qt's QSA (libqsa)? There doesn't seem to be a qsa package and I can't find it in the other Qt packages either
[06:22] <RagnarNC> hi all
[06:22] <RagnarNC> i think this has been asked a gazillion times
[06:22] <RagnarNC> but how do i save the netwrok settings, particularly the gateway?
[06:22] <RagnarNC> upon rebooting, i have to re-set the default gateway with route
[06:23] <Kamping_in_doze> are you changning them as root?
[06:23] <Kamping_in_doze> or using sudo?
[06:23] <RagnarNC> and this is NOT good since the machine is the gateway for a whole museum
[06:23] <Kamping_in_doze> hm
[06:23] <RagnarNC> i use sudo -i, then route add default gw 123.123.123.123
[06:24] <RagnarNC> i tired using the kde ctool ,but it won't work... i think it's aknow bug
[06:24] <RagnarNC> i'm not too used to debian, i just need to know where to put startup things
[06:24] <RagnarNC> or where the network settings are
[06:24] <Kamping_in_doze>  /etc/network iirc
[06:26] <Kamping_in_doze> and some of the files in /etc/, debian folows the LSB standards and LFS (sp) standards
[06:26] <RagnarNC> it's in there, but what do i need to write in interfaces?
[06:26] <RagnarNC> the whole command, ie. route add whatever
[06:26] <RagnarNC> or something else?
[06:26] <morten> .... if i want to install java on my kubuntu.. what should i apt-get ???? I tried an apt-cache search java... but can't really find anything
[06:27] <Kamping_in_doze> morten. make sure you have all the repos
[06:27] <morten> I do.. just updated it
[06:27] <RagnarNC> www.ubuntuguide.org has the correct mirros and things to do
[06:27] <RagnarNC> for java
[06:27] <morten> Ahhh, kay kay
[06:28] <Kamping_in_doze> cant help you ragnarnc. thats stuff i would look up, but i cant atm
[06:55] <merli1> hey guys i can't edit sources.list file and had system hang and rebooted and now my setup is kinda messed up all my gaim accounts etc are gone also have to start gaim and azureus from konsole
[06:55] <merli1> any tips on this would be great
[06:55] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:55] <Kamping_in_doze> is your /home on a seperate hdd?
[06:55] <Tm_T> :o
[06:55] <Tm_T> now you frightening me
[06:55] <merli1> nope doing dual boot single 80gig 2 partitions 
[06:56] <merli1> one xp one kubunto
[06:56] <Tm_T> hmmh
[06:57] <merli1> this is second install of this  and the last did it also at one point 
[06:57] <merli1> also when i try to cp pak0.pk3 it will not let me lol
[06:57] <merli1> quake 3 file 
[06:57] <merli1> had it running once lol
[06:58] <merli1> was the only distro so far that it didn't crash after tier one 
[06:58] <Tm_T> merli1: you tried to edit sources.list as a root
[06:58] <Tm_T> ?
[06:59] <merli1> can't get root can i it's blocked of in default install but did try sudo kate etc/apt/sources.list
[06:59] <merli1> but wouldn't let me save it after editing it 
[07:00] <merli1> atleast thats what i picked up at a forum 
[07:00] <merli1> that is ok to edit it with kate eh??/
[07:00] <Tm_T> hmh
[07:01] <Kamping_in_doze> it is ok, but try with a real text editor :P
[07:01] <merli1> cause tried ed emacs21 can't get it to load the file 
[07:01] <Tm_T> try "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:01] <merli1> well would love emacs21
[07:01] <merli1> is that default install??/
[07:01] <Tm_T> eh
[07:02] <merli1> what about kde problem with lost gaim stuff
[07:02] <merli1> do i have to install nano
[07:02] <ghetek> My mac wont boot from the kubuntu install cd. i am holding down c at startup
[07:02] <Kamping_in_doze> nano is default install
[07:08] <Tm_T> :p
[07:11] <ghetek> i have an older computer that doesnt support 1024x768 and the login screen goes to that every time. ideas?
[07:11] <Kamping_in_doze> do macs still have the terminals?
[07:12] <Kamping_in_doze> you can do "sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if they do
[07:12] <merli1> thank you l8r
[07:14] <ghetek> thx
[07:15] <uniq> tm_t: i've ordered a mac for that purpose only. running linux on it. :)
[07:20] <ghetek> sudo dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that will fix my login prob?
[07:20] <Kamping_in_doze> using that you can change the screen res 
[07:21] <Kamping_in_doze> you can set it to a lower one.
[07:21] <Tm_T> uniq: haha, sorry but that's make no sense, unless it's cheaper than pc stuff
[07:25] <amu> Tm_T: installing linux on a mac, cause kontact from fink or kontact as a QT nativapps is extrem buggy
[07:25] <amu> ... and outdated ;)
[07:26] <john6000> wow linux on a mac
[07:26] <john6000> i hate osx
[07:26] <Kamping_in_doze> why?
[07:26] <amu> ... and it rocks :)  
[07:27] <john6000> yeah
[07:27] <john6000> nothing runs on osx
[07:27] <john6000> linux = good
[07:27] <Kamping_in_doze> darwin == oss
[07:28] <john6000> ?
[07:28] <Kamping_in_doze> darwin is the macos backend
[07:28] <Kamping_in_doze> based on freebsd
[07:28] <john6000> whats backend
[07:28] <Kamping_in_doze> what drives it
[07:28] <john6000> :o
[07:28] <Kamping_in_doze> what does the work
[07:28] <john6000> osz based in free bsd wow
[07:28] <amu> john6000: dont say that, there's opendarwin and fink .. you get nearby every tool from them, you can get it from linux 
[07:28] <john6000> osx*
[07:28] <john6000> ok
[07:29] <john6000> minimac your installing kubuntu on?
[07:29] <amu> some people reported that it just works ... 
[07:29] <john6000> ok
[07:30] <john6000> does .DEB files work with kubuntu 
[07:30] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[07:30] <KaiL> yes
[07:30] <john6000> wow
[07:30] <john6000> im downloading kubuntu now you see
[07:30] <Kamping_in_doze> look in your apt cache.
[07:30] <john6000> does it come with a webserver?
[07:30] <Kamping_in_doze> all .debs
[07:30] <john6000> wow
[07:31] <john6000> g8
[07:31] <KaiL> kubuntu is a debian derivat
[07:31] <john6000> so is knoppix
[07:31] <Kamping_in_doze> and you can install appache if you want
[07:31] <amu> john6000: it comes with 16.000 possible apps ( deb ) :) best way to try kubuntu ... try the liveCD
[07:31] <john6000> so i get the debien version and itll work
[07:31] <KaiL> john6000: and most other good dtsirubutions ;)
[07:31] <john6000> ok
[07:31] <amu> compared to knoppix we have liveCD for all archs 
[07:31] <Kamping_in_doze> 40% distros based on debian. 40% based on redhat. 20% other somthing like that
[07:31] <john6000> wow
[07:32] <amu> .. also for apple hardware 
[07:33] <john6000> is it true you can install windows 3.1 in dosbox
[07:36] <john6000> ok
[07:36] <john6000> take it you dont know dosbox
[07:37] <john6000> so RPM`s work with kubuntu
[07:37] <john6000> ?
[07:37] <amu> sure ;) 
[07:37] <Kamping_in_doze> using alien
[07:38] <john6000> i i was gettting a peice of somtware what package would i choose debian?
[07:38] <Kamping_in_doze> yes
[07:38] <john6000> ok
[07:38] <john6000> cherrs
[07:38] <Kamping_in_doze> or ubuntu if its an option
[07:41] <john6000> k
[08:08] <transgress> hello world
[08:20] <loren> anyone aside from me have problems running jack?
[08:21] <transgress> jack?
[08:22] <loren> jackd
[08:22] <loren> Jack Audio Server/Thing] 
[08:26] <transgress> oh
[08:32] <transgress> what's a good program to use with the ipod in kde?
[08:33] <transgress> does amarok work with ipod?
[08:33] <loren> transgress: if you install linux on your ipod? or you mean like transfering songs?
[08:34] <transgress> transferring songs
[08:35] <crimsun> look at the media section
[08:36] <sirukin> 19 inch laptops...
[08:36] <sirukin> dell you evil shadow of intel.
[08:37] <_buz> yaeh
[08:37] <_buz> just saw it 
[08:37] <_buz> sick
[08:37] <KaiL> 19"?!?!?!
[08:37] <_buz> i thought the 17" were crazy
[08:37] <_buz> but 19 fucking inches
[08:37] <_buz> that's not a laptop
[08:37] <_buz> that's an imac with battery you know
[08:38] <transgress> heh i find my 15.4 widescreen lappy a bit too big... i was intending on getting a 12 inch ibook originally because i like teh small
[08:38] <KaiL> iMac is 17" afaik ;)
[08:38] <transgress> they have a 20" i think
[08:39] <transgress> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70703/wo/1d79wAU9kA7M3S79afol4D91WgC/1.0.11.1.0.6.9.1.2.21.3.1.1.0?39,12
[08:39] <_buz> got a 20" one
[08:39] <_buz> but lately i've seen 20" standalone lcds for like 550$
[08:39] <_buz> i'm close to getting a second one :)
[08:40] <KaiL> uhm
[08:40] <_buz> seeing that xinerama can't drive the 17" and 20" ones at native resolution at the same time
[08:40] <KaiL> 400GB Disks?
[08:40] <transgress> i want them to upgrade the chip in the mac mini and i will probably invest in one of those
[08:40] <_buz> shipping from hitachi and seagate i think
[08:41] <_buz> not much to upgrade the g4 to
[08:41] <_buz> maybe 1.6ghz
[08:41] <_buz> but you're barely gonna notice
[08:41] <_buz> that
[08:42] <_buz> they are nice machines but lack of dual head killed em for me
[08:42] <transgress> i meant upgrade it to the g5
[08:42] <_buz> too hot i'd say
[08:42] <_buz> it's the perfect machine for your mum
[08:42] <KaiL> Hitachi HDS724040KL and Seagate ST3400832AS
[08:43] <transgress> i'd really like a dual g5 powermac... but $2k for a computer ... when i can build an am64 machine for so much less
[08:43] <KaiL> hmm, still not SATA only
[08:43] <_buz> yeah
[08:43] <_buz> and besides, the g5 is a noisy bastard
[08:43] <_buz> i can build *silent* amd54
[08:43] <KaiL> every AMD64 is silent ;)
[08:43] <_buz> or i could, given a proper board
[08:44] <_buz> by silent, i mean ZERO fan
[08:44] <transgress> amd64 is nice... have one in my lappy
[08:44] <KaiL> oh, that not
[08:44] <_buz> it can be don
[08:44] <KaiL> mine has a veeeeeery slow CPU fan
[08:44] <_buz> mine will probably have a 700rpm 120mm case fan
[08:44] <_buz> and that's it
[08:44] <_buz> if only i could mount my cpu cooler to my board
[08:45] <_buz> but those stupid gigabyte boards got no screw holders in their retentionmodules
[08:45] <_buz> wtf didn't anyone tell me
[08:45] <{Cricket}> erm just get a small table fan and put in behind ur pc tower turn it on high and it should keep ur whole pc cool
[08:45] <_buz> you sure got a weird idea of silent
[08:46] <{Cricket}> me?
[08:46] <_buz> yeah
[08:46] <{Cricket}> screw silent
[08:46] <_buz> table fan aren't silent
[08:46] <{Cricket}> mine is
[08:46] <{Cricket}> pretty silent
[08:46] <_buz> silent fans are much quieter than your hd is
[08:46] <_buz> at which point the next quest is to damp the hd
[08:46] <{Cricket}> lol
[08:46] <{Cricket}> ok well gl with that
[08:47] <_buz> perfectly possible
[08:47] <_buz> i wouldn't say entirely trivial, but doable
[08:47] <john6000> my computers loud with fans
[08:47] <transgress> i play music the entire time i'm at my computer.... loud enough so a noisy computer isn't a bother
[08:47] <transgress> although mine's fairly quiet
[08:47] <john6000> i dont know if i need half these fans
[08:47] <_buz> it's a matter of principles
[08:47] <john6000> yeah
[08:47] <_buz> other people overclock, me i want silence
[08:47] <john6000> water cool?
[08:48] <_buz> i wouldn't want water in my machine
[08:48] <john6000> you can buy a slient fan +powerbox kit
[08:48] <_buz> it can be done on aircooling
[08:48] <_buz> kits? iiiiewww
[08:48] <{Cricket}> erm get a cooling pad.
[08:48] <john6000> iiiiewww = ? ? ? ?
[08:48] <_buz> expression of disgust ;(
[08:49] <john6000> :(
[08:49] <_buz> www.thermaltake.com/coolers/4in1heatpipe/cl-p0071SonicTower/cl-p0071.htm
[08:49] <_buz> http://www.scythe.co.jp/en/cooler/ncu2005.htm
[08:49] <_buz> thats how you cool cpus
[08:49] <john6000> sure is
[08:49] <KaiL> lol
[08:50] <_buz> boxed cooler are the devil
[08:50] <john6000> want your own ubuntu just see this -=-
[08:50] <john6000> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7155691174&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
[08:51] <KaiL> _buz: why?
[08:51] <_buz> total crap
[08:51] <_buz> and 70mm fans, i mean, wtf
[08:51] <john6000> ?
[08:51] <john6000> look at this and ill shutup
[08:51] <john6000> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7155691174&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
[08:51] <_buz> wtf should anyone buy this
[08:51] <john6000> i know
[08:52] <_buz> can get it for free after all
[08:52] <john6000> how stupid
[08:52] <john6000> i got 5 in post
[08:52] <KaiL> _buz: I can't hear it
[08:52] <john6000> i gave most of mine to freinds
[08:52] <john6000> my laptops qouite quiet
[08:52] <transgress> i'm mailing kubuntu to a friend of mine that lives in the canada
[08:52] <john6000> :o
[08:53] <john6000> you get kubuntu cds now?
[08:53] <transgress> no
[08:53] <john6000> WHERE
[08:53] <john6000> WHERE!
[08:53] <transgress> he's getting them from me
[08:53] <john6000> oh
[08:53] <john6000> no
[08:53] <john6000> :(
[08:53] <john6000> oh
[08:53] <john6000> home burned
[08:53] <john6000> :D
[08:53] <transgress> yes
[08:53] <transgress> mapu: we don't give a shit.
[08:53] <john6000> sure mapoo
[08:54] <KaiL> ...busy fixing his client..?
[08:54] <john6000> when can you get kubuntu cds like you get the ubuntu ones
[08:55] <john6000> is kubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[08:55] <john6000> or warty
[08:55] <KaiL> hoary
[08:55] <john6000> ok
[08:55] <KaiL> warty is 4.10
[08:55] <john6000> ok
[08:56] <transgress> what kind of screwed up jack does the ipod have on it to plug into the computer?  it's all freaking long... 
[08:57] <transgress> never seen a firewire or usb end look like that... stupid custom cables... 
[08:57] <transgress> yet another reason i'm not getting an ipod
[08:58] <sirukin> I'm getting a PSP
[08:59] <john6000> gd gd 
[08:59] <transgress> gd?
[08:59] <john6000> seen the ps3 yet?
[08:59] <john6000> good good*
[09:00] <sirukin> hmm
[09:00] <transgress> i really wish they'd release a patched version of kaffeine
[09:01] <sirukin> why?
[09:01] <sirukin> gtg
[09:01] <sirukin> later
[09:02] <transgress> doesn't really give me a chance to answer now does he
[09:03] <ghetek> mmm
[09:03] <transgress> but they need to fix kaffeine from eating up 100% cpu since it doesn't close right...
[09:04] <bisley> in ubuntuforums.org there is a .deb fixed of kaffeine
[09:06] <transgress> where?  i was just looking at ubuntuforums
[09:07] <bisley> k
[09:07] <bisley> gime a second
[09:07] <transgress> found it
[09:07] <transgress> thanks 
[09:07] <bisley> mp
[09:07] <bisley> np
[09:07] <bisley> :)
[09:08] <ghetek> transgress, link?
[09:09] <transgress> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/
[09:09] <transgress> has about 4 pages of good stuff about it
[09:10] <ghetek> thanks!
[09:10] <transgress> 1000     26134  0.0  1.1  24024 10628 ?        S    14:10   0:00 kio_file [kdeinit]  kio_file file /tmp/ksocket-transgress/klauncherPTgjfa.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-transgress/kaffeineI1hfja.slave-socket
[09:11] <transgress> seems to always leave one of those
[09:11] <john6000> ok
[09:11] <john6000> ok
[09:11] <john6000> ok
[09:11] <transgress> not sure what those are...
[09:11] <john6000> stupid keyboard
[09:11] <john6000> sorry for that
[09:11] <transgress> ummm
[09:11] <Ken-OhKi> Can someone help me with my install? Startx doesn't see KDE...
[09:12] <john6000> fresh install?
[09:12] <Ken-OhKi> yeah
[09:12] <Ken-OhKi> all default
[09:13] <john6000> ok
[09:13] <john6000> mmmmmmmmm
[09:13] <john6000> i dont really see if it was a fresh install
[09:13] <R0bNyc> I've tried to install Kubuntu and Ubuntu and I get this error. I choose reiserfs anyways.. Copying Packages Failed.. Copying packages to the harddisk failed. You may have run out of disk space in the targer /var filesystem.     Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details
[09:13] <transgress> sounds like it didn't configure your video properly, because it shouldn't leave you in console to start with on a default install... should start kdm
[09:14] <Ken-OhKi> Rod-> I got the same!
[09:14] <transgress> what's virtual console say?
[09:14] <transgress> 4
[09:14] <Ken-OhKi> Ctrl + F4 I think
[09:15] <R0bNyc> transgress, says too much crap
[09:15] <R0bNyc> Ken-OhKi, how uf ixed it
[09:15] <Ken-OhKi> R0dNyc -> when I got in Aptitude I went on Not Installed stuff, pressed + and then G. It installed everything. But still now working some things
[09:16] <R0bNyc> hmm
[09:16] <Ken-OhKi> KDE isn't showing up
[09:17] <msb> hey, somebody who can help?
[09:17] <msb> ubuntu@dhcppc1:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[09:17] <msb> /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[09:17] <msb> and fdisk -l prints: http://pastebin.com/282820
[09:17] <john6000> ok my 1st time at using kubuntu its installing :D :D
[09:20] <john6000> some1 help msb
[09:23] <seb> hey
[09:23] <john6000> hallo
[09:23] <john6000> hehehe
[09:23] <john6000> hi
[09:32] <R0bNyc> Ken-OhKi, =
[09:32] <R0bNyc> imi screwed
[09:38] <\sh> evening
[09:39] <\sh> oh...
[09:39] <\sh> Riddel: ping :)
[09:40] <KaiL> 2 l
[09:41] <\sh> ;)
[09:41] <KaiL> "Riddell"
[09:41] <Tm_T> :p
[09:41] <Riddell> hmm?
[09:42] <\sh> riddell: I don't like publicity ;)
[09:42] <\sh> riddell: anyways...lets talk business ;)
[09:42] <Tm_T> shy guy
[09:43] <\sh> Tm_T: no :) wise guy ;)
[09:43] <Tm_T> haha
[09:44] <\sh> Riddell: do you know something about the status of pykde in the kdebindings package? as I examined, it's disabled by default because of the problem between dcop-python and the python version itself, right?
[09:45] <Riddell> \sh: did you say it was out of date?
[09:45] <Riddell> \sh: didn't you say it was out of date?
[09:45] <foodcoman> "Possessions, outward success, publicity, luxury - to me these have always been contemptible. I believe that a simple and unassuming manner of life is best for every one, best both for the body and the mind." Albert Einstein
[09:45] <\sh> Riddell: 3.11.4 is broken, the latest snapshot from the upstream webpage is also broken...
[09:45] <foodcoman> I am sure \sh is going "What the heck?"
[09:46] <foodcoman> Just a comment associated to publicity!   =)
[09:46] <\sh> Riddell: it does compile, but the pykde API is not working correctly with the original API of kde itself
[09:46] <Riddell> \sh: what's broken with it?
[09:46] <\sh> kconfigskeleton e.g.
[09:46] <Riddell> \sh: don't upstream know about this?
[09:47] <\sh> call by ref is not working for python sip bindings..so there must be a patch applied...but it will break the syntax of some methods of kconfigskeleton
[09:48] <\sh> Riddell: this problem is known sind 2004, patch was there by another guy...but upstream never applied it...last message from upstream "i will apply it next week" (this came the week before last)
[09:48] <Ken-OhKi> Im really disappointed with kubuntus
[09:49] <Tm_T> eh?
[09:49] <\sh> Riddell: question is ( for ubuntu or also debian): should we use the source in kdebindings, or should we generate a separate python2.4-sip4-kde package?
[09:49] <Riddell> \sh: well currently it's a separate one yes?
[09:49] <Riddell> Ken-OhKi: what's up?
[09:49] <\sh> riddell: yes..and only for python2.3 
[09:49] <Ken-OhKi> Nothing... and this is the point: KDE doesn't show up
[09:50] <\sh> Riddell: so python2.4-sip4-kde is not working on hoary neither on breezy (even without the toolchain matter)
[09:50] <KaiL> Ken-OhKi: X-Server doesn't start?
[09:50] <Ken-OhKi> kde.init problem
[09:50] <Riddell> \sh: do you know what the kdebindings dcop-python issue is?
[09:50] <\sh> Riddell: i created now the patches for the package...i would like to apply them to the package...but with this, i would break the whole upstream stuff..
[09:51] <Ken-OhKi> according to dpkg KDE isn't on
[09:51] <Ken-OhKi> according to aptitude it is
[09:51] <KaiL> give us more details please...
[09:51] <\sh> Riddell: the python version...automake has to check two versions of python...and this doesn't work with dcop-python and python-kde
[09:51] <KaiL> what do you mean with "according to dpkg KDE isn't on"?
[09:51] <Ken-OhKi> dpkg -l kde -> doesn't find the package
[09:51] <\sh> sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop ;)
[09:52] <KaiL> it's not one package :)
[09:52] <Riddell> \sh: how would it break upstream?
[09:52] <Ken-OhKi> I think it is a GET problem...
[09:52] <KaiL> Ken-OhKi: there's no package "kde"
[09:52] <KaiL> only "kdelibs", "kdebase"...
[09:52] <Ken-OhKi> GET all of this and send to /dev/null
[09:52] <\sh> riddell: upstream package wants to be syntax compatible with c++ kde 
[09:52] <KaiL> (and even those are meta packages)
[09:53] <Ken-OhKi> the point is that I have several error msg
[09:53] <\sh> Riddell: but, after the patches are applied there are some marginal syntax breaks e.g. in kconfigskeleton
[09:53] <KaiL> Ken-OhKi: then tell us these messages
[09:53] <KaiL> we can't guess them, sorry, really :)
[09:54] <\sh> Riddell: example?
[09:54] <Ken-OhKi> name resolution error, scheduler problem (both when load up annd shut down)
[09:54] <Ken-OhKi> postfix problem
[09:54] <Riddell> \sh: example what?
[09:54] <\sh> Riddell: of the syntax break
[09:54] <KaiL> Ken-OhKi: DETAILS
[09:54] <Riddell> if you have one
[09:55] <Ken-OhKi> When this thing is loading up, on the left I read FAIL
[09:55] <Ken-OhKi> only this!
[09:55] <KaiL> and what did you do to get this to fail?
[09:55] <Ken-OhKi> kail-> Installed kubuntu ~2 hours ago
[09:56] <\sh> riddell: original syntax: ItemBool *  addItemBool (const QString &name, bool &reference, bool defaultValue=false, const QString &key=QString::null)
[09:56] <KaiL> Ken-OhKi: standard installation or server?
[09:56] <Ken-OhKi> standard
[09:56] <\sh> riddell: syntax after patch in pykde: addItemBool(name,defaultvalue,key)
[09:56] <Ken-OhKi> ~300MB swap, ~4.7GB root
[09:56] <KaiL> did the network work while installing?
[09:56] <Ken-OhKi> no
[09:57] <Ken-OhKi> it use PPP over Ethernet
[09:57] <KaiL> ok
[09:57] <\sh> Riddell: so, trick is, defaultvalue is a python var, the sip mechanism will provide a reference by itself, and gives it back to python...so the value is there 
[09:57] <KaiL> so there goes the DNS error: ntpdate tries to get the time from inet (and fails of coz)
[09:57] <Riddell> \sh: what does that mean for packages using pykde?
[09:57] <KaiL> Ken-OhKi: but back to the kde problems..
[09:58] <\sh> Riddell: nothing, cause kconfigskeleton doesn't work in original upstream
[09:58] <KaiL> try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[09:58] <Ken-OhKi> Kail-> that is what botter me
[09:58] <KaiL> and tell us, if you get errors in that
[09:58] <Riddell> \sh: seems best to apply it then
[09:59] <Ken-OhKi> Kail-> and if don't work?
[09:59] <KaiL> then tell us the errors, as I said
[09:59] <\sh> Riddell: question is, if we're not in sync with upstream, how we should handle this at all...wiki page with changes? 
[10:00] <Ken-OhKi> ok...
[10:00] <Ken-OhKi> brb...
[10:00] <Riddell> \sh: it's just one patch yes?  you just make a debian/patches directory and put it in there
[10:00] <Riddell> and if upstream are going to apply the patch soon enough it's not a problem
[10:00] <\sh> Riddell: well...it's quite important for us, just because (k)ubuntus favorite lang is python ;) and if we should provide small apps for (k)ubuntu we should provide functionality towards kde
[10:00] <john6000> ok installed kubuntu how do i make the font smaller
[10:00] <john6000> its toooooo big
[10:01] <Riddell> john6000: kcontrol -> appearance -> fonts
[10:01] <KaiL> ...and it's really to big ;)
[10:02] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[10:02] <\sh> ok..i'll have to wait anyways
[10:03] <Riddell> \sh: but having the patch in debian/patches and a changelog entry is documentation enough
[10:03] <Riddell> \sh: wait for the C++ transition?
[10:03] <\sh> Riddell: jepp
[10:03] <\sh> Riddell: on my hoary it working ;)
[10:03] <\sh> it's 
[10:03] <\sh> well...i need to change my laptop keyboard ;)
[10:04] <KaiL> Riddell: such thinks only fail on 2 systems: the person who needs it for working and on your boss' computer, if you want to show him ;)
[10:06] <Riddell> KaiL: hmm?
[10:06] <UserHH43b> Kail -> Invalid Operation
[10:06] <KaiL> ubuntulog: hm?
[10:06] <KaiL> eh
[10:06] <KaiL> UserHH43b: hm?
[10:07] <\sh> hmm?
[10:07] <UserHH43b> DAMNIT SERVER
[10:08] <UserHH43b> Let me change my nick!
[10:08] <KaiL> /nick whoeveryouare
[10:08] <UserHH43b> Ken-OhKi> KaiL> sudo apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-desktop = invalid operation
[10:09] <UserHH43b> Error: Nickname changed too fast, please wait a while and try again...
[10:09] <KaiL> "invalid operation"?
[10:09] <KaiL> uhm.......?!?
[10:09] <KaiL> ah
[10:09] <UserHH43b> Operation kubuntu-desktop invalid (It is in portuguese)
[10:09] <slushpupie> UserHH43b: try sudo apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <KaiL> apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[10:10] <KaiL> slushpupie: other way arround ;)
[10:10] <UserHH43b> Im really think about kick this install out
[10:10] <UserHH43b> there we go...
[10:10] <slushpupie> KaiL: options go before action 
[10:11] <KaiL> both works ;)
[10:11] <slushpupie> KaiL: as dumb as it sounds, its "possible" to have a package name the same as an option name.  The only way to be sure is to put the action last
[10:13] <KaiL> lol
[10:13] <\sh> slushpupie: you will have problems with that before you can create it ;)
[10:13] <slushpupie> \sh: I know :-) 
[10:13] <slushpupie> But I know how to make it happen :-)
[10:15] <March-RX8> hello
[10:17] <bhna> hi
[10:17] <March-RX8> could someone help me installing jre please. my installation fail although i follow java.com instruction
[10:17] <{Cricket}> yea
[10:18] <{Cricket}> I can
[10:18] <{Cricket}> hehe I installed it last night with no problems
[10:27] <KaiL> http://www.students.uni-mainz.de/hessr000/lw.gif
[10:27] <KaiL> *no comment*
[10:29] <Ken-Oh-Ki>  Ka2iL  How do I mount the hda4? I think it is a driver problem
[10:29] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I mean, the error in KDE seem to be cause of drivers
[10:29] <KaiL> hmm, a partition created on install doesn't get mounted...?!?
[10:30] <Ken-Oh-Ki> nonono
[10:30] <Ken-Oh-Ki> KUbuntu used hda 6 and 7... or 5 and 6... don't remember
[10:30] <Ken-Oh-Ki> but I downloaded the drivers and I want run
[10:30] <Ken-Oh-Ki> but it say something about mtab
[10:30] <KaiL> what drivers..?!
[10:31] <Ken-Oh-Ki> ndvidia/nforce
[10:32] <KaiL> at least up to nForce3 you don't need them
[10:32] <KaiL> and even with nForce4 this can't produce such problems
[10:32] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Well
[10:32] <Ken-Oh-Ki> it reinstalled kde
[10:32] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I tried to run and it said about drivers
[10:33] <KaiL> what said about drivers..?
[10:33] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I don't remember right
[10:33] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I tried to mount the hda to try to install it
[10:33] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I'll try it later
[10:33] <Ken-Oh-Ki> have things to do
[10:33] <Ken-Oh-Ki> cya
[10:33] <Ken-Oh-Ki> bye
[10:34] <KaiL> as I once wrote in topic: error messages might help debugging ;)
[10:39] <Kejk_PL> Hi, my question is about instalation
[10:40] <KaiL> tell us
[10:40] <Kejk_PL> what is better: instal Kubuntu and then install updates form Breeze or install Ubuntu Breeze and kubuntu-desktop pakage
[10:40] <Kejk_PL> ?
[10:41] <KaiL> as a result you want a "kubuntu breezy", the development version?
[10:41] <gdh> (not available in any shops)
[10:41] <Kejk_PL> yes, newest software
[10:42] <KaiL> it's not much newer than the rerleased version, as that's also only 1 month old :)
[10:42] <KaiL> but as you don't want GNOME, just install kubuntu and update that
[10:43] <Kejk_PL> OK, did there any imporvements in Breeze about HAL support, autoplug/mount and other from TODO?
[10:43] <KaiL> no automount for now, I don't even know, if that's planned for breezy
[10:44] <Kejk_PL> :)
[10:44] <KaiL> for now we have a working kernel 2.6.12-rc4 and the splashscreen is somewhat usable
[10:45] <Kejk_PL> now I am using Debian and I'm looking for something for my su=isters when I'll be on universty :-)
[10:46] <Kejk_PL> and what about that bug, like sudo with kcontrol?
[10:46] <KaiL> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh << script to repair that
[10:46] <Kejk_PL> thanks!
[10:46] <KaiL> on breezy you need to comment out the first line (the forced dpkg)
[10:49] <allee> KaiL: btw I personally dislike multiple open/close  so I use   echo "one
[10:49] <allee> two
[10:49] <allee> three" > /foo/bar
[10:49] <allee> to great a file with 3 lines ;)
[10:50] <allee> create that is
[10:50] <KaiL> I'd like to be able to delete the script at all ;))
[10:50] <allee> and last but not last thx for the script!
[10:51] <allee> KaiL: lol.  me too ;)
[10:52] <KaiL> afaik Riddell  has it fixed locally and only waits for some other upstream fix
[10:56] <Riddell> KaiL: which?
[10:56] <KaiL> kdelibs-data deleting kderc
[10:56] <Riddell> yep, waiting on the security issue due out soon
[10:57] <KaiL> and then we finally get a fully fixed package in hoary-security? :)
[10:59] <KaiL> allee: that might be an idea for a "self-repairing" kubuntu-default-settings package ;)
[11:00] <KaiL> as it's afaik not possible to regenerate a deleted file in /etc with just dpkg/apt-get work
[11:01] <allee> KaiL: yes, that's postinst script work when done automaticly.  by had   dpkg -i --force-confmiss    /path/to/deb   does the trick
[11:01] <allee> s/had/hand/
[11:02] <KaiL> or wait for an update in that file? ;)
[11:02] <amichai> is somone working on an update manager for kubuntu?
[11:02] <KaiL> should work too imho
[11:02] <KaiL> amichai: \sh 
[11:03] <amichai> KaiL: \sh ??
[11:03] <\sh> amichai: mvo and I will jump in :)
[11:03] <Tm_T> amichai: update manager?
[11:03] <amichai> lol
[11:03] <\sh> amichai: whats with it? :)
[11:03] <exciton> Hello I have been running Kubuntu on this iBook for a month or so now and desided that I wanted to put it on my main system but now after just a few mins the system shuts down stating the temp as the reason but it is only hitting 40 something C and thats about where my sys runs how can I rase that to say 55 or 60C like how my bios is set for heat shutdonw
[11:03] <KaiL> Tm_T: something to do agt-get dist-upgrade with the mouse and with some "there's sometjhing new"-infobox
[11:03] <amichai> \sh: wouldnt know where to start
[11:04] <\sh> amichai: you mean the actual update-manager?
[11:04] <KaiL> exciton: your main box is ppc too?
[11:04] <\sh> amichai: or do you refer to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpdateManager
[11:04] <amichai> \sh: yeah like there is one in gnome
[11:04] <exciton> Kail no it's an amd athlon xp
[11:04] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, ok
[11:05] <\sh> amichai: or do you refer to kynaptic?
[11:05] <amichai> \sh: not kynaptic
[11:05] <KaiL> amichai: then 40 is really a "little bit low" ;)
[11:05] <exciton> yeah I know
[11:05] <amichai> i'm referring to thw UpdateManager :)
[11:06] <\sh> amichai: ok :)
[11:06] <amichai> is there a kde frontend?
[11:06] <KaiL> \sh: is it currently possible to use those apps with kde? of do they ignore the kde packages then?
[11:06] <exciton> mine runs about 5F above spec because I'm running my 2400 at 2086 with a 166/333FSB so I need a little more play room with heat
[11:06] <\sh> amichai: not right now...there will be one 
[11:07] <\sh> amichai: it's a complete rewrite of the gnome update-manager and then there will be a kde one as well
[11:07] <amichai> \sh: ok cool. that would be cool.
[11:07] <amichai> \sh: nice
[11:07] <amichai> my kde crashes every once in while, is that normal?
[11:07] <exciton> but is there any ideas on how to change the shut down temp in kubuntu?
[11:07] <KaiL> exciton: I didn't even know, such a limit can be done from linux side, as you need afaik acpi based temp sensors for that (which I've only seen in some Centrino laptops)
[11:08] <\sh> KaiL: what? i don't understand...do you mean a gnome update-manager will ignore kde packages and vice versa? ,-) nice idea, but too aggressive ;)
[11:08] <KaiL> shure, that it doesn't hit the bios values?
[11:08] <amichai> i've just accepted it, but thats me being lazy
[11:08] <exciton> KaiL: yeah lol I know thats why is was so odd and even then I could find nothing on google about it
[11:08] <KaiL> \sh: it just looks for all installed packages? and so would even work for universe?
[11:09] <KaiL> exciton: I don't belive that it's any heat-shutdown
[11:09] <\sh> KaiL: all package sources will be available
[11:10] <KaiL> exciton: try if an open case extends this time
[11:11] <madel> Hi all!
[11:12] <madel> how do I full uninstall gnome?
[11:12] <R0bNyc> does kubuntu/ubuntu supports reseirfs?
[11:12] <KaiL> madel: apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-*
[11:12] <KaiL> should catch all
[11:12] <madel> KaiL: really?
[11:13] <madel> not ubuntu-desktop?
[11:13] <KaiL> R0bNyc: yes, but I've had very much negative reports about reiserfs recently
[11:13] <R0bNyc> KaiL, I've tried to install Kubuntu and Ubuntu and I get this error. I choose reiserfs anyways.. Copying Packages Failed.. Copying packages to the harddisk failed. You may have run out of disk space in the targer /var filesystem.     Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details
[11:13] <exciton> Kail okay I'll give that a shot
[11:13] <KaiL> madel: that's only an empty metapackage
[11:13] <R0bNyc> maybe thats why
[11:13] <R0bNyc> i hate ext3 , i prefer reiserfs tho but i guess reiserfs problems on ubu
[11:14] <KaiL> R0bNyc: how many space do you have planned for /var?
[11:14] <R0bNyc> KaiL, i didnt setup nothing for that only /root 9.7gb
[11:14] <uniq> madel: ubuntu-desktop is for installing.. it depends on all the gnome packages.. so they'll be installed with ubuntu-desktop. but all the gnome-packages doesn't depend on the ubuntu-desktop package.. that's to be able to install part of the gnome-desktop.. and bnot beeing forced to take everything.
[11:14] <R0bNyc> i never did any /var stuff
[11:15] <w6bi_work> So, how come the login and password fields are greyed out in kppp?  
[11:16] <KaiL> exciton: after that get debfoster and look for the remaining gnome stuff
[11:16] <exciton> okay whats that?
[11:17] <uniq> madel: and removing libgtk2.0-* is not a good idea.. that will remove things like firefox, hal-device-manager, kdeartwork, etc.
[11:17] <uniq> ohwell.. another inpatient user :|
[11:17] <exciton> is there a log of everything dumped to the consol or that has the log of the heat shut down?
[11:18] <KaiL> uhm, what's that? "dbus-1" got renamed to "dbus"?
[11:21] <KaiL> Riddell: breezy needs you - this renaming wants to kill konqueror
[11:21] <exciton> with kynaptic how do I add reposatories?
[11:21] <Riddell> KaiL: it's going to get a lot worse when the C++ transition happens next week
[11:22] <KaiL> lol
[11:22] <\sh> exciton: forget kynaptic
[11:22] <\sh> exciton: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list or use synaptic
[11:22] <exciton> yeah I like synaptic a lot better 
[11:22] <\sh> Riddell: will be fun for everybody :)
[11:23] <KaiL> gcc3.4 -> gcc4.0?
[11:23] <exciton> on this iBook I installed ubuntu because thats what I had on hand and downloaded kde with synaptic
[11:23] <Riddell> no, 3.3 -> 4.0, (3.4 already had the new ABI)
[11:24] <\sh> exciton: try to use apt-get so u r not depending on graphical stuff ;) sometimes guis are not working ;) and u have to do it by hand ;)
[11:26] <exciton> while I'm waiting to my system to shutdown from over heating. I have an ati card can I change the rpm to an apt for the driver and install it?
[11:26] <\sh> exciton: for what?
[11:26] <\sh> exciton: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:26] <exciton> \sh: for the fglrx ati driver 
[11:27] <\sh> exciton: check the page :)
[11:27] <exciton> k thanks I'll take a look
[11:28] <KaiL> aha, there we go
[11:28] <KaiL> libhal0 -> libhal1
[11:29] <KaiL> kdebase-kio-plugins depends on libhal0 (and libhal-storage0), which got replaced by libhal1
[11:32] <KaiL> ...and depends on dbus-1, which is now just dbus
[11:35] <KaiL> lol, from dbus changelog: "New upstream version (now with 97% more Api breakage!)."
[11:35] <kay> Hello, +s
[11:36] <kay> some dbus updates want to kill my kde packages on Kubuntu Breezy
[11:36] <KaiL> realy? no, you are joking :)
[11:36] <\sh> hahahha
[11:37] <\sh> funny...this will be a funny week 
[11:37] <KaiL> we had that seconds ago ;)
[11:37] <KaiL> quote for that:
[11:37] <KaiL> from dbus changelog: "New upstream version (now with 97% more Api breakage!)."
[11:37] <kay> lol
[11:38] <kay> That was one of the questions, is this great new HAL version of a packaging change?
[11:38] <gdh> Is the kdelibs 'issue' still alive?
[11:39] <KaiL> kay: everything in one: dbus-1 is now dbus, libhal0 is now libhal1 and everything is incompatible
[11:39] <KaiL> gdh: yes :(
[11:39] <\sh> KaiL: repair it :)
[11:39] <KaiL> tell Riddell :p
[11:39] <kay> The one with knetworkconf, gdh?
[11:40] <KaiL> kay: yes
[11:40] <\sh> kail: no ;) riddell has too much to do for the transition ;)
[11:40] <gdh> KaiL: What's exactly the problem with releasing an update?
[11:40] <kay> at least no gcc4 transition will need to happen soon
[11:40] <KaiL> gdh: ask Riddell ;)
[11:40] <gdh> KaiL: I didn't want to, because he'll only bite my head off :)
[11:41] <kay> At least things got rolling in Breezy
[11:41] <\sh> kay: starting from next tuesday ;)
[11:41] <KaiL> kay: next week, but before we break everything else :p
[11:41] <kay> I hought 4.0.0 is blacklisted to compile KDE?
[11:41] <kay> +t
[11:41] <Riddell> a new knetworkconf has been uploaded, it's just waiting to be put into the archives by mdz
[11:41] <exciton> okay it just shut down
[11:42] <KaiL> Riddell: and then both like each other again?
[11:42] <kay> strange was that on my work box i didn't have to use force-overwrite, but on the notebook now, no forgiveness was considered :p
[11:43] <kay> on my work box i just removed knetworkconf temporarily and that solved it
[11:43] <KaiL> kay: and you also lost your /etc/kderc on doing that
[11:43] <kay> really?
[11:44] <kay> How will i notice?
[11:44] <kay> (didn't relog yet)
[11:44] <KaiL> looksing your default theme and so on
[11:44] <KaiL> loosing
[11:44] <KaiL> the script in topic fixes all this
[11:45] <exciton> is there a log any where that would show me the shut down 
[11:45] <exciton> ???
[11:46] <Tezkah> hmm, having difficulties with my ra0
[11:46] <KaiL> again? 
[11:46] <Tezkah> ifup wont make it come up, but "sudo dhclient ra0"
[11:46] <Tezkah> will
[11:46] <Tezkah> yeah
[11:46] <kay> KaiL: Thanks for the hint
[11:46] <KaiL> btw. the kernel is in out 2.6.12 packages
[11:47] <Tezkah> see, I added "auto ra0" to /etc/network/interfaces
[11:47] <KaiL> eh
[11:47] <KaiL> btw. the rt2500 driver is in out 2.6.12 packages
[11:47] <Tezkah> /etc/network/interfaces:18: too few parameters for iface line
[11:47] <Tezkah> ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[11:47] <kay> Tezkah: I also have a ra0
[11:47] <KaiL> damn, there's a second typo
[11:47] <Tezkah> /etc/network/interfaces:18: too few parameters for iface line
[11:47] <Tezkah> ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[11:47] <Tezkah> err
[11:47] <gdh> what's 'ra0' out of interest?
[11:47] <Tezkah> oops
[11:47] <KaiL> Tezkah: show that line?
[11:47] <Tezkah> iface ra0 inet dhcp
[11:47] <Tezkah> auto ra0
[11:47] <kay> ralink wireless driver
[11:47] <gdh> ah, k :)
[11:48] <Tezkah> oh line 18
[11:48] <kay> The only free software one
[11:48] <KaiL> gdh: RaLink RT2400 or 2500
[11:48] <Tezkah> is 
[11:48] <Tezkah> iface eth0 inet 
[11:48] <KaiL> Tezkah: there's really something missing
[11:48] <KaiL> eth0 is cable-LAN
[11:48] <Tezkah> right
[11:48] <KaiL> block should look like this:
[11:48] <Tezkah> should I just add DHCP on it?
[11:48] <KaiL> iface eth0 inet static
[11:48] <KaiL>         address 192.168.1.7
[11:48] <KaiL>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[11:48] <KaiL> auto eth0
[11:48] <Tezkah> oh, see
[11:49] <Tezkah> I've never plugged the ethernet in
[11:49] <KaiL> I don't think, you have a dhcp server behind the cable too ;)
[11:49] <Tezkah> well if I did plug the ethernet in
[11:49] <Tezkah> it would go to the router
[11:49] <Tezkah> the same one as the wirleess
[11:49] <kay> KaiL: the router has
[11:49] <Tezkah> wireless
[11:49] <Tezkah> I'll try it now
[11:49] <kay> But I prefer DHCP a lot more
[11:49] <kay> Eh, not to use it
[11:50] <kay> static will be quicker
[11:50] <KaiL> kay: btw. your ra0 also a Linksys PCI card?
[11:50] <kay> yeah, it is
[11:50] <kay> Even works fine on AMD64
[11:50] <KaiL> with this REALLY big antenna
[11:50] <KaiL> you are running breezy?
[11:51] <pussfeller> why does kmail open up links in /var/tmp instead of the actual webpage?
[11:51] <KaiL> including kernel 2.6.12-rc4?
[11:51] <kay> Not on that machine, that is still Hoary
[11:51] <kay> And I rolled my own kernel for it too... i think it's rc3
[11:51] <uniq> pussfeller: like pictures and such?
[11:51] <KaiL> pussfeller: caching
[11:51] <KaiL> not every app has direct net access
[11:52] <Tezkah> it worked
[11:52] <Tezkah> hooray
[11:52] <KaiL> kay: breezy will ship with precompiled rt2400 and rt2500 :)
[11:52] <kay> Great news KaiL :-)
[11:52] <KaiL> the newest linux-image already has
[11:52] <Tezkah> thanks KaiL 
[11:52] <kay> ah.... good
[11:52] <KaiL> Tezkah: is your ra0 also a Linksys-card? ;)
[11:53] <Tezkah> nah, its a miniPCI 
[11:53] <Tezkah> I think
[11:53] <kay> Ah oh, btw eh, not Linksys, I misunderstood you, Kail
[11:53] <kay> It is something with Centronics or so
[11:53] <xxenon> wow the new dbus in breezy wants to remove the whole KDE :)
[11:53] <KaiL> oh, somebody else using that so?
[11:53] <KaiL> xxenon: see topic
[11:54] <kay> Well, I bought with tuxhardware.de, they were the only ones to tell me the chipset before i bought
[11:54] <xxenon> KaiL - yes :)
[11:54] <kay> Incredible how ... impossible it is to find out revision numbers even
[11:55] <Tezkah> oh man
[11:55] <Tezkah> kubuntu please have my babies
[11:55] <kay> I read that thing about supporting notebooks
[11:55] <kay> I am now all excited...
[11:56] <poopinaboot> anyone know how to get a printable, blank calendar?
[11:56] <pussfeller> uniq, KaiL no, web links I click on in email
[11:56] <KaiL> notebooks? well, everything working on each I tried until now
[11:56] <pussfeller> konquy opens a tmp file, instead of just going to the webpage
[11:56] <poopinaboot> anyone?
[11:57] <kay> KaiL: I bought from the vendor that had Gentoo preinstalled with complete instructions for everything how to do it, so it was not an issue
[11:57] <kay> KaiL: But well.. multimedia keys, nope
[11:57] <KaiL> poopinaboot: what is a printer? ;)
[11:57] <allee> KaiL contrats to your laptops choice
[11:57] <poopinaboot> heh KaiL 
[11:58] <kay> KaiL: Or sleeping and stuff, handwork more or less so far
[11:58] <uniq> poopinaboot: 'cal' in a terminal ;)
[11:58] <KaiL> kay: yes, they need some manual work - recently many of them send acpi (!) events
[11:58] <allee> s/contrats/congratulations/
[11:58] <poopinaboot> uniq: something more presentable
[11:58] <KaiL> sleeping is included in my test on laptops and desktops
[11:58] <kay> KaiL: You mean the keys?
[11:58] <KaiL> yes
[11:58] <uniq> poopinaboot: i guess you can have some fun with oo impress.
[11:58] <poopinaboot> uniq: heh, thanks
[11:58] <kay> KaiL: You know the log for that mayhaps?
[11:59] <allee> laptop: Where to put a fixed DSDT table to get in included in initrd?
[11:59] <KaiL> allee: some old Gericom crap, 5 year old FSC Lifebook E, Samsung P35, some HP...
[11:59] <KaiL> allee: you really need one?
[11:59] <KaiL> the sleep scripts doesn't work without?
[12:00] <allee> No I've more than enough laptops ;)  or do you mean DSDT?   Yes,  battery not recognized and empties more when plugins in ;)
[12:01] <uniq> well.. g'nite guys.. more studying tomorrow.
[12:01] <Tezkah> thanks guys for helping me with stuff