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| jiyuu0 | thegreedyturtle, i'm tryin the torrent now | 02:41 |
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| jiyuu0 | thanks | 02:41 |
| jiyuu0 | been waiting for 5 minutes now... seems not moving | 02:42 |
| jiyuu0 | maybe my line is bad | 02:42 |
| jiyuu0 | will wait a little longer | 02:42 |
| jiyuu0 | azureus can really suck mem | 02:42 |
| jiyuu0 | :( | 02:42 |
| thegreedyturtle | sorry about that, i was working on a kernel thing and forgot to restart azureus last time i rebooted | 02:42 |
| thegreedyturtle | i just added it and you should be uploading now | 02:42 |
| thegreedyturtle | doesn't appear to have connected you though | 02:43 |
| jiyuu0 | true... seems not moving | 02:44 |
| thegreedyturtle | well, i've switched it to super seed it and the tracker is ok, maybe it'll just take a little time to propagate | 02:45 |
| jiyuu0 | ok... i'll wait :) | 02:46 |
| thegreedyturtle | it says i've uploaded 168.7 to someone, so i'm pretty sure it's working for someone | 02:46 |
| jiyuu0 | Seeds 0(1) | 02:47 |
| thegreedyturtle | now i've got a seeds 0(1) and peers 0(0) | 02:47 |
| jiyuu0 | 0(0) | 02:48 |
| jiyuu0 | how fast is ur line there? | 02:48 |
| thegreedyturtle | 2mbit down 512kb up | 02:49 |
| thegreedyturtle | i know my ports are open, i don't have any problems seeding other files | 02:49 |
| jiyuu0 | ic... then maybe it could be my prob here | 02:50 |
| thegreedyturtle | im going to test on another computer here | 02:51 |
| thegreedyturtle | yeah it's off and running here | 02:56 |
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| Burgundavia | salut mpt | 02:56 |
| jiyuu0 | thegreedyturtle, ok... can u creata another torrent for the enhance version | 02:57 |
| thegreedyturtle | sure | 02:57 |
| thegreedyturtle | got a link for it? | 02:57 |
| jiyuu0 | http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/add-on-cd/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz | 02:57 |
| jiyuu0 | i'll put the torrent for ppl to download once u r done | 02:57 |
| thegreedyturtle | shouldn't take me more than a few minutes after i get it downloaded | 02:58 |
| === jiyuu0 envy ppl with fast line... | ||
| jiyuu0 | i'm only on 512k broadband here :( | 02:58 |
| thegreedyturtle | i understand, im about to go on vacation for 2 weeks w/ only dial up access | 02:59 |
| thegreedyturtle | but then i've become an internet snob... | 02:59 |
| thegreedyturtle | can't live w/out high speed | 02:59 |
| thegreedyturtle | and i don't even play games anymore | 03:00 |
| jiyuu0 | u must be downloading tons of stuff huh | 03:00 |
| thegreedyturtle | i wish i'd had this system rescue cd when i was resizing my / partition | 03:00 |
| thegreedyturtle | yeah, and i live with a big family who also download tons of stuff | 03:01 |
| jiyuu0 | ubuntu should come with the resize tool during install | 03:01 |
| thegreedyturtle | but it's mostly been .iso's of debian/ubuntu/fedora, i only recently have really settled on ubuntu | 03:01 |
| thegreedyturtle | i was messing with my partitions post install. i ended up using ubuntu live and then actually installing gparted with apt to do my resize | 03:02 |
| thegreedyturtle | i probably could have done it on the live filesystem, but i haven't goofed with it | 03:02 |
| thegreedyturtle | i remember talking to a poor guy that had ubuntu automatically partition his hard drive for him, then made a new partition in the back of the drive and expected the front of his drive to still have the ntfs data on it... | 03:03 |
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| mpt | hi Burgundavia | 03:30 |
| === Burgundavia just saw an ice cream truck, complete with sound. Didn't know they still existed | ||
| Burgundavia | how is launchpad work going? | 03:32 |
| thegreedyturtle | jiyuu0, It's ready, the direct download is at http://www.torrentbox.com/download.php/15558/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz.torrent or you can see the webpage at: http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-details.php?id=15558&uploaded=1 | 03:35 |
| thegreedyturtle | i've got a download testing and it's coming along fine. Sadly it's slow still because I'm the only one seeding it. | 03:35 |
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| jsgotangco | morning | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | jdub, a minute? | 04:35 |
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| jsgotangco | ok i will bite the bullet and send this email | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, email? | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | im still finishing stuff its about packaged documentation | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | ok, have you been doing work in that area? | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | im more interested in fixing up the existing docs from scrollkeeper/svn rather than write new docs there is so much to fix there | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | i have some ideas | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | that is what I meant | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | but i need to get reactions from devels if its possible | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | i think its possible | 05:26 |
| === Burgundavia is working on his brothers xp machine | ||
| jsgotangco | i was digging into scrollkeeper lst night | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | found at least 81 entries | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | probably 300+ omf files | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | which means we have like 300+ packaged docs in a default hoary install | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | the problem is digging through that docs | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | some of them are so old | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | yet they got in | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | yesa | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | ubuntu-doc is just one entry in scrollkeeper | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | a lot of upstream docs suck | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | yeah we need to cull some upstream if possible | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, some of the upstreams are dead | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | so any changes we make, we must maintain | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | thats the point | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | can you put what you find on a wiki page? | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | so we can discuss further | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | sure but i will email this first | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | prioritze what we want to fix/work on | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i want to prioritize the upstream stuff and how ubuntu-specific docs would fit in | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i think this is what enrico has been doing before | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | probably | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | but wasnt able to finish | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | enrico has kind of dropped off the planet | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | he has a job | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i think this is what jdub is trying to say | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | evil evil things, jobs | 05:31 |
| === Burgundavia needs to start looking for one real soon now | ||
| === jsgotangco too | ||
| jsgotangco | im way over my head im not so sure if its possible to manipulate this kind of stuff through scrollkeeper or yelp | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | well yelp is another story but its only a browser | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | i think its more on scrollkeeper | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | I also have no idea | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | i've tried rebuilding the scrollkeeper db but there are some with no entries so i guess i am right in some aspects | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | when we say upstream, we refer to stuff lifted from gnome/debian right? | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | any upstream | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | and downstream? | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | downstream is us | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | us to them? | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | coder --> packager --> us | 05:40 |
| Burgundavia | upstream from us is the packager (usually debian) and the coder | 05:41 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: very very slowly | 05:44 |
| === mpt is getting more RAM tomorrow, though | ||
| Burgundavia | mpt, how much do you currently have? 1 gig makes my machine run quite nicely | 05:45 |
| mpt | 256MB | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 05:45 |
| mpt | Getting 1.25 GB tomorrow | 05:45 |
| Burgundavia | lucky bugger | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | hi mpt | 05:46 |
| mpt | hello | 05:47 |
| === Burgundavia has been playing with the cool new things on breezy, like beagle | ||
| jsgotangco | you're on breezy already? | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | got itchy feet | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | had to jump | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | i see tseng has already packaged beagle | 05:49 |
| Burgundavia | yes, is very cool | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | i will update my other box to breezy later then | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | did Beep MP come in as default? | 05:50 |
| Burgundavia | no, beep is crap | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu is trying to change as little from upstream as possibly, for the default | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | so rhythmbox and totem | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | rb is also crap | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | btw i heard your name on lug radio but they laughed at your surname that was rude of them | 05:52 |
| Burgundavia | not a big deal | 05:52 |
| Burgundavia | i was slightly offended | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | send 'em more email next time | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, nautilus cd burner needs a this much full thing, ala serpentine | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia | they paraphrased what I had written | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | well radio always does that | 05:53 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, do you use K or Ubuntu? | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | Ubuntu | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | i rarely use kubuntu | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | http://s1x.homelinux.net/files/main.png | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | what do you think of that UI for a cd burner? | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | hold on | 06:01 |
| jsgotangco | if you're thinking of using this UI for nautlis burner, this is much better | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303759 | 06:02 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, you read my mind | 06:02 |
| jsgotangco | heh great minds think alike | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | serp is in breezy already | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | very very nice | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | dragndrop stuff | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | its a separate app? | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | python | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | main? | 06:03 |
| Burgundavia | currently universe, but planned for main, I think | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | wow that's not so bad | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AudioCDBurning | 06:04 |
| === Burgundavia has to go, cya | ||
| jsgotangco | ok | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | ill just email the stuff later and post in the wiki i hope | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | ok, and jump on that bug | 06:05 |
| Burgundavia | see if we can get some movement | 06:05 |
| mpt | Nautilus folder windows don't have Add and Remove buttons | 07:30 |
| jsgotangco | you mean the burning function? | 07:31 |
| mpt | I mean, ordinary folder windows don't have Add and Remove buttons, so why should a CD-R window? | 07:34 |
| mpt | You could have just one bar showing the capacity/amount of free space, and a Burn button | 07:35 |
| jsgotangco | true especially if you're aiming for drag and drop functionality i guess | 07:35 |
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| froud | Burgundavia: morning | 08:04 |
| froud | jsgotangco: morn | 08:04 |
| mpt | Good morning froud | 08:11 |
| froud | morn | 08:11 |
| froud | how r you | 08:11 |
| froud | hmm people r silent today | 08:13 |
| mvirkkil | good morning | 08:13 |
| froud | morn | 08:13 |
| froud | b'sides jsgotangco is anyone here working on oaything? | 08:16 |
| mvirkkil | not me | 08:16 |
| froud | s/oa/an/ | 08:16 |
| froud | mvirkkil: do you have time to work on things | 08:16 |
| froud | mvirkkil: how's your docbook? | 08:17 |
| mvirkkil | Not at the moment. @ work | 08:18 |
| froud | mvirkkil: I mean in general, of ocurse I dont expect you to work on this at work :-) | 08:18 |
| mvirkkil | Actually this week and next week will suck. So probably not doing anything for 2 weeks :-/ | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | hi froud how are you? | 08:19 |
| froud | jsgotangco: hi | 08:19 |
| froud | mvirkkil: do you see someting in svn u would like to do? | 08:19 |
| froud | mvirkkil: r you using ubuntu or kubuntu? | 08:19 |
| mvirkkil | I'm using ubuntu. | 08:20 |
| froud | OK, would you like to help us on the User Guide when you have some time | 08:20 |
| mvirkkil | Planning to dist-upgrade to breezy once I have a bit of free time. | 08:20 |
| froud | mvirkkil: good | 08:20 |
| mvirkkil | froud: I'll be sure to ask you the status of that when I'm done with the project I'm working one. | 08:21 |
| mvirkkil | :) | 08:21 |
| froud | mvirkkil: if you like you can take a look at user guide, it has an outline | 08:21 |
| mvirkkil | froud: In svn? | 08:21 |
| froud | what are you working on | 08:21 |
| froud | yes | 08:21 |
| mpt | Structured Text | 08:22 |
| mpt | HTML | 08:22 |
| mpt | Plain Text | 08:22 |
| mvirkkil | froud: I've got a non-computer project, and then work. | 08:22 |
| mpt | ... where's the "MoinMoin" option? | 08:22 |
| froud | jsgotangco: good points on help | 08:22 |
| froud | mpt: a web-based app | 08:22 |
| mpt | froud: what? | 08:23 |
| froud | you writing a web-based app | 08:23 |
| froud | or is this command line | 08:23 |
| mpt | No, I'm trying to edit the wiki | 08:23 |
| jsgotangco | froud, you read my email? | 08:23 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes | 08:23 |
| froud | mpt: Oh ok | 08:23 |
| mpt | froud: I've seen in the mailing list that (a) the wiki accepts MoinMoin syntax and (b) it's going to be using MoinMoin exclusively in the future | 08:23 |
| jsgotangco | froud, what you think? i just had that idea last night after Burgundavia and jdub were talking | 08:23 |
| mpt | but I don't see a MoinMoin option when editing | 08:23 |
| froud | mpt: the mon system needs to be installed. Or is it already | 08:24 |
| froud | jsgotangco: the stuff about the packaging is correct | 08:24 |
| froud | mpt: I know the udu system was using moin | 08:25 |
| froud | but I dont know if the main site has moin | 08:25 |
| mpt | apparently not | 08:26 |
| mpt | <br><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><br> | 08:26 |
| mpt | </span></span> | 08:26 |
| mpt | yik | 08:26 |
| jdub | mpt: plone doesn't do moinmoin, but zwiki does | 08:26 |
| froud | mor jdub | 08:27 |
| jdub | yo | 08:28 |
| froud | Burgundavia: how's it going with porting ubuntuguide to xml in svn | 08:28 |
| jsgotangco | hi jdub | 08:28 |
| froud | jsgotangco: saw your patches on kwickguide, thnaks | 08:28 |
| froud | jsgotangco: just keep hacking dude | 08:28 |
| froud | ignore the noise | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | i know what you mean | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | froud, a question | 08:29 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I should find some time to take a look at it and give feedback | 08:29 |
| froud | ? yes | 08:29 |
| jsgotangco | what i emailed today, was enrico responsible for cleaning up packaged docs? | 08:29 |
| froud | jsgotangco: enrico just packages, butthe real problem is yelp and scrollkeeper | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | yes i got it all together last night | 08:30 |
| froud | not the most flexible | 08:30 |
| jsgotangco | i wasn't able to attend the cc meeting because of it | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | i was thinking what's wrong with it | 08:31 |
| === froud want to scrap yelp for ubuntu docs, but that is a religious thing | ||
| mpt | No Preview function either | 08:31 |
| mpt | Boy, and I thought MoinMoin was bad :-) | 08:31 |
| froud | all wiki stuff sucks for user documents | 08:31 |
| froud | nice for wikipedia | 08:31 |
| froud | not for long docs | 08:31 |
| jsgotangco | froud, so what i emailed, is it possible or not? | 08:32 |
| froud | jsgotangco: everyting is possible | 08:32 |
| froud | jsgotangco: just need time | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | im not aiming this for breezy | 08:32 |
| froud | and willing hands | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | its just not possible with only 2 hands | 08:32 |
| jsgotangco | and learning at the same time | 08:33 |
| froud | it is | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | but im not giving up on it | 08:33 |
| froud | somebody just need to take it by the horns | 08:33 |
| froud | but overall, yelp is weak | 08:33 |
| froud | nice for gnome docs, but that is about it | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i noticed the difference between yelp and khelpcenter | 08:34 |
| froud | however, since people cant get beyond yelp we are stuck | 08:34 |
| jsgotangco | but khelpcenter isn't good at organizing either or probably just having the right tree structure | 08:34 |
| froud | neither is good | 08:34 |
| froud | linux misses a good tool for this | 08:34 |
| === froud thinks a plain html under a browser will be better | ||
| froud | more flexible | 08:35 |
| froud | we just need to target html | 08:35 |
| froud | I think we spoke about this | 08:35 |
| mdke | morning guys | 08:35 |
| froud | mdke: morn | 08:35 |
| froud | jsgotangco: but these issues are just noicse | 08:35 |
| mdke | hows it going? | 08:36 |
| froud | people need to focus on writing | 08:36 |
| froud | mdke: slow burn | 08:36 |
| mdke | froud, ;) | 08:36 |
| froud | jsgotangco: which is why I say to you keep hacking kwick guide | 08:37 |
| froud | ingnore the noise | 08:37 |
| froud | who is gonna adopt the user guide | 08:37 |
| froud | cummon somebody my love that | 08:37 |
| froud | must love | 08:37 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I think it is time the team stopped focusing on everyting else and just focuse don SVN | 08:38 |
| froud | UDU is over | 08:38 |
| froud | noting great about docs there | 08:39 |
| froud | so lets just go for the docs | 08:39 |
| froud | stuff the rest | 08:39 |
| froud | jsgotangco: Burgundavia : That includes trying to get people to understand the roundtripping approach we wanted with the portal | 08:40 |
| froud | nice to have, but I dont think Canonical is playing ball on this | 08:40 |
| froud | so stuff them | 08:40 |
| mpt | froud: Okay, I've never used svn before. Is there a step-by-step guide for setting up and checking out the Ubuntu help? | 08:40 |
| froud | go for the jugular and do the docs | 08:40 |
| mdke | mpt, yeah hang on | 08:41 |
| froud | mpt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 08:41 |
| mdke | *grins* | 08:41 |
| froud | mpt: there are plenty of hands to help you get up to speed with svn and docbook | 08:42 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | froud, don't give up so easily on a portal, we haven't pushed that hard on it yet, maybe its not over yet | 08:43 |
| froud | I think we need to make it clear that everyone on the team is like totally empowered to hack svn | 08:43 |
| mdke | i agree | 08:43 |
| froud | mdke: really, I I am tired of speaking to people at Canonical | 08:43 |
| froud | too much religion dude | 08:43 |
| froud | wasting time | 08:44 |
| mdke | froud, how much dialogue did you have with them about the portal? | 08:44 |
| froud | enough | 08:44 |
| froud | This amongst a few proposals | 08:44 |
| froud | lots of inpt 0 out | 08:44 |
| froud | time wated | 08:44 |
| mdke | froud, are you mad at them because of something else, or just the portal | 08:44 |
| froud | wasted | 08:44 |
| froud | nah, not mad | 08:45 |
| mdke | clearly if they are keen enough on putting resources into a translating interface, they can be persuaded to put resources into a documentating interface :) | 08:45 |
| froud | feel sorry for them | 08:45 |
| froud | mdke: yep | 08:45 |
| mdke | but i agree, for now, we can concentrate on what we have | 08:45 |
| froud | anyway | 08:45 |
| froud | yes, just stuff them | 08:45 |
| mdke | *grins* | 08:45 |
| froud | and lets go on with the plan | 08:45 |
| froud | maybe one day the attitude will change | 08:46 |
| froud | so for now lets just have fun | 08:46 |
| froud | lets just do what we want in the docs | 08:46 |
| froud | no pressure | 08:46 |
| froud | what we have we have, what we dont we dont | 08:46 |
| froud | we will aim for breezy to do what we can | 08:47 |
| mdke | ok | 08:47 |
| mdke | i need to get moving | 08:47 |
| mdke | class calls | 08:47 |
| froud | if it is half baked and not the best, then tuff | 08:47 |
| mdke | damn these early mornings | 08:47 |
| froud | mdke: cheers | 08:47 |
| mdke | froud, keep the faith | 08:47 |
| froud | but not in canonical, just the community | 08:47 |
| mdke | in the docteam ;) | 08:48 |
| froud | sure | 08:48 |
| mdke | ok cool | 08:48 |
| mdke | see you later | 08:48 |
| froud | I must get dressed and start work | 08:48 |
| mdke | afk | 08:48 |
| froud | c ya | 08:48 |
| === froud is now known as froud-away | ||
| === mpt does the checkout thang | ||
| mpt | How do I verify the certificate? | 08:49 |
| mpt | These "Canonical Ltd" people sound suspicious | 08:50 |
| === froud-away is now known as froud | ||
| === froud is now known as froud-work | ||
| Burgundavia | mpt, you still there? | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | froud-work, I haven't even touching anything with docs recently | 09:11 |
| froud-work | Ok, what do you want to do? | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | no, more that I have had other shit going on | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | the stuff is still on slow burn for me | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | i just had a phone call sorry i was afk for a bit | 09:12 |
| froud-work | other shit, you mean not docs stuff? | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | life shit | 09:12 |
| froud-work | good shit I hope | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | some good, some bad | 09:14 |
| froud-work | so life is normall then :-) | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | you saw in the scrollback that jdub and I talked last night, both on the phone and in here | 09:15 |
| froud-work | OK, so did you fix your key thing | 09:15 |
| froud-work | yes | 09:15 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: I am not wasting more time on this | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | froud-work, I have given elmo my new key, so he should be getting me a new password sometime soon | 09:15 |
| jsgotangco | i moved on | 09:16 |
| froud-work | I still believe our thinking and rational are good | 09:16 |
| froud-work | but I am not going to push these dudes | 09:16 |
| froud-work | I am just gonna have fun | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | me too | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | let me figure out where to start though heh | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | this yelp/scrollkeeper thing intrigues me | 09:17 |
| froud-work | and if the stuff outside gets out of control and if ittakes yonks to do the stuff in svn, I could not give a shit | 09:17 |
| froud-work | I dont even care if the stuff in svn gets into the distro | 09:17 |
| froud-work | I just care that I now have fun with this | 09:18 |
| froud-work | if they want to solve problems, then they can pay me :-) | 09:18 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 09:18 |
| jsgotangco | good idea | 09:18 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: jsgotangco so I am here, but not going to give the same care and passion I did in the past | 09:21 |
| froud-work | from here in I am here to have fun, no pressure, let the guys at Canonical take the pressure and worry about things | 09:22 |
| froud-work | it does mean that my commits will be when I have time and when I feel like doing | 09:23 |
| froud-work | if I feel like doing | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | froud-work, understandable you have a business after all | 09:23 |
| froud-work | yes, but a large part of my business is FOSS | 09:23 |
| froud-work | btw dudes, I released a new version of my web site, in a hurry, feedback is welcome | 09:24 |
| froud-work | http://www.inwords.co.za | 09:24 |
| === jsgotangco wonders when would be the time he would have a paying career in FOSS | ||
| froud-work | it's an apache forrest | 09:24 |
| froud-work | Yes dudes JAVA | 09:24 |
| froud-work | JAVA | 09:24 |
| froud-work | JAVA | 09:24 |
| froud-work | JAVA | 09:24 |
| froud-work | ooooh I like saying that | 09:25 |
| froud-work | especially here where people seem not to like it | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | my eyes! my eye! | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | froud-work, you removed your picture heh | 09:25 |
| froud-work | No it is there | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | froud-work, odd bug on your site | 09:26 |
| froud-work | http://www.inwords.co.za/management.html | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | the first four tabs display first, then the next 2 | 09:26 |
| froud-work | bug must be where | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | oh there it is | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | next 3 | 09:26 |
| froud-work | Huh, dont understand Burgundavia | 09:26 |
| froud-work | you dont see all tabs or they load is strange order | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | froud-work, when I click on any of the tabs, as the page loads, the first 4 tabs are rendered, then the remaining 3 | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | might be a firefox bug | 09:27 |
| froud-work | I dont see it in Firefax | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | otherwise I don't see anything | 09:27 |
| froud-work | Hmm | 09:27 |
| froud-work | you dont see anyting, no text | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | i dont see it either in firefox or ephiphany | 09:28 |
| froud-work | ephinany works | 09:28 |
| froud-work | I did not test | 09:28 |
| === Burgundavia is moving his brother to Ubuntu tomorrow night | ||
| froud-work | opera, ie, moz and firefox, konqueror | 09:28 |
| === jsgotangco looks at careers heh | ||
| froud-work | but something i borked in konqueror | 09:29 |
| froud-work | the fonts are so small | 09:29 |
| froud-work | btw all the content is docbook | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | im not surprised | 09:30 |
| froud-work | inkscape svg for images transformed to png | 09:30 |
| froud-work | just love inkscape | 09:30 |
| froud-work | now having it translated to 11 languages | 09:32 |
| froud-work | Afrikaans, Zulu, Xhosa, Sepedi, Setswana, Sesotho, Venda, Tsonga, Ndebele, Swati | 09:33 |
| froud-work | 09:33 | |
| froud-work | 09:33 | |
| jsgotangco | doh | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | im only familiar with Afrikaans and Xhosa | 09:34 |
| froud-work | jsgotangco: you know learnlinux | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | im impressed by it | 09:35 |
| froud-work | I am going to translate it to Zulu and then give it to some guys to go teach linux in the South African townships | 09:35 |
| froud-work | figure, that will help them get jobs | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | za seems to have an exciting FOSS environment | 09:36 |
| froud-work | its good and bad | 09:36 |
| froud-work | hopefully linux world will have a better impact | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | there will be a linux world there? | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 09:37 |
| froud-work | yes, see icon on my web site | 09:37 |
| froud-work | we are all excited about it, first time here in za | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | jeezzz i haven't been in a linux world event in my entire life | 09:38 |
| froud-work | I think if nothing happens from it at least we will have given away a shit load of free software ? | 09:38 |
| froud-work | :-) | 09:38 |
| froud-work | A few distros will be there | 09:38 |
| froud-work | sabfl will be speaking at the conference | 09:39 |
| froud-work | and mad dog | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | the open source scene in asia is exciting in general, but i must be unlucky to live in a country where its ignored | 09:39 |
| froud-work | you have to make it happen | 09:39 |
| froud-work | it wont just happen on its own | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | well for sure a handful of people won't be able to make it happen | 09:40 |
| froud-work | many of us have spent hours and lot sof money to make it happen | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | especially if you're talking 7,100 islands | 09:40 |
| froud-work | I am sure it will bring results | 09:40 |
| froud-work | He he that could be lots of user groups | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:40 |
| froud-work | community is th ekey | 09:41 |
| froud-work | well to me at least | 09:41 |
| froud-work | we have about 11 here in za | 09:41 |
| froud-work | he he we actually managed to get the exhibition organizers to give us a stand for the LUGs of SOuth AFrica, free :-) | 09:42 |
| froud-work | we just blugioned them into doing it | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | haha | 09:42 |
| froud-work | and we quickly gathered about ZAR 3000 for fixures and stuff | 09:43 |
| froud-work | which reminds me I must check how the stand posters are doing | 09:43 |
| froud-work | now we are looking for people to man the stand, | 09:44 |
| froud-work | seems there are lots of volunteers willing to stand there for an hour or two | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | im sure you can find people to man that with 11 lugs | 09:44 |
| froud-work | yeah, this show is in johannesburg | 09:45 |
| froud-work | so it will have to be from the surrounding lugs | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | which is better cape town or johannesburg? | 09:45 |
| froud-work | I guess the guys in Cape Town will do the same when Linuxworld is held there later this year | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, paradise vs. joburg? | 09:45 |
| froud-work | cape is beautiful, joburg has money :-) take your pick | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | joburg is the current murder capital of the world | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | i like beautiful | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | i dont need that much money to live decently | 09:46 |
| froud-work | Burgundavia: we have our problems | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | a second cousin of mine was killed in joburg about 3 months ago | 09:46 |
| froud-work | but we also have a historical past that is part of todays problems | 09:46 |
| froud-work | oh no, I am sorry to hear that | 09:47 |
| Burgundavia | she decided to argue with some carjackers, and lunged towards them | 09:47 |
| froud-work | not a good idea in a country where the value of life is very low | 09:47 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:47 |
| jsgotangco | i got to watch this movie that had ice cube in za | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | it was very bad | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 09:48 |
| froud-work | well, it has gotten a lot better | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | thats why when i hear of za, it still reminds me of the past | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | probably because i haven't been there at all | 09:48 |
| froud-work | problem is we have mllions who need access to education and linux is a good way to do it | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | africa is one continent i haven't even thought of going before | 09:49 |
| froud-work | you should come | 09:49 |
| froud-work | it is beautiful | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | its totally alien to most asians | 09:50 |
| froud-work | maybe oneday we will have an ubuntu africa conference | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | the launchpad people came to cape town in feb. | 09:50 |
| froud-work | we have a huge asian community here | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | let me guess chinese | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | they're everywhere | 09:50 |
| froud-work | all types | 09:50 |
| froud-work | they are very productive | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | gandhi praticed law in SA | 09:50 |
| froud-work | and make a huge contribution | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | small businesses? | 09:51 |
| froud-work | although I prefer not to categorize people by race or religion | 09:51 |
| froud-work | some small some large | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i see mdke got approval in the cc meeting | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | i wasnt able to log in | 09:52 |
| froud-work | but point is to get Linux into the education system here | 09:52 |
| froud-work | cc meeting | 09:53 |
| froud-work | that's where sabfl's TSF projects are good | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | approval? | 09:53 |
| froud-work | hey I must work, later dudes | 09:54 |
| jsgotangco | later | 09:55 |
| jsgotangco | jdub, busy? | 10:23 |
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| Burgundavia | salut | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | here goes the breezy upgrade | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:45 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, you might want to wait | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | dbus? | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | they are about to break a whole load of shit | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | ya | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i read about it | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | if you haven't jumped, wait | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | nothing special yet | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | ok ill cancel this then | 11:46 |
| Burgundavia | I'm here now, so I will ride the storm out | 11:47 |
| Burgundavia | in other news, I am installing Hoary on my brothers machine tomorrow night | 11:47 |
| jsgotangco | well that's good news | 11:48 |
| Burgundavia | well, we had some fun with XP and activation | 12:00 |
| jsgotangco | xp activation here is non-existent, even if you buy legit xp, the serial is already activated and MS can't do anything about it | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | even the couriers steal the keys | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | asia is rife with that | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | most of the stolen XP in NA is hobbyists | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | yeah it doesnt make sense you try to be legit here but yourself becomes a victim as well | 12:12 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 12:12 |
| Burgundavia | that is why free software is good | 12:12 |
| Burgundavia | none of the licence crap | 12:13 |
| jsgotangco | ive seen schools in japan run turbo linux in classrooms for 3rd graders | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | linux has almost no mindshare here | 12:13 |
| Burgundavia | education or otherwise | 12:13 |
| jsgotangco | what happened to k12 ltsp? | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | is very lovely | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | the only time linux gets adopted is when someone steps forward and pushes the project | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | it has not moved to the next stage, which is recommended by govs/etc. | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | well, there is linux in the local library | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | www.userful.com <-- these people | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | I had an interview with them | 12:15 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | ltsp with licenses? | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | thats not so cool | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | not ltsp | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | multihead | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | massively multihead | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | slow, and sort of buggy | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | but very useful and cheap | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | and based on Fedora core | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | im out | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | seeyou later | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | cya | 12:23 |
| === Kinnison tickles Burgundavia and wonders what timezone he's in today | ||
| Burgundavia | not my own? | 12:23 |
| Burgundavia | is 3:23 here | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i noticed that | 12:23 |
| === Burgundavia will soon be able to see the malone bugs without an NDA | ||
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| mdke | hi dudes | 02:43 |
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| mdke | i've noticed a lot of french stuff is coming up in the wiki, its another one to add to the list of "untapped resources" | 02:51 |
| mdke | a lot of it is original work rather than translations | 02:52 |
| mdke | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrenchDocumentation | 02:52 |
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| jjesse | morning :) | 03:41 |
| mdke | hi jjesse | 03:48 |
| mdke | froud-work, thoughts on henriks email? | 03:48 |
| jjesse | hello mdke | 03:50 |
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| mdke | hey sm | 05:00 |
| sm | hi all | 05:01 |
| mdke | how are you? | 05:02 |
| sm | great thanks | 05:03 |
| sm | working on client projects etc. | 05:04 |
| sm | yourself ? | 05:04 |
| === froud-work is now known as froud | ||
| froud | mdke: ginger | 05:08 |
| mdke | i'm very well | 05:08 |
| mdke | froud, eh? | 05:08 |
| froud | mdke: I dont want to break my nose on this | 05:09 |
| mdke | froud, i don't follow? | 05:09 |
| froud | As I said this morning, Canonical wont play ball, so neither will I | 05:10 |
| froud | I am focused on svn, period | 05:10 |
| froud | and determined to just have fun | 05:10 |
| mdke | without your input it will be difficult to explore that option | 05:10 |
| froud | if they want solutions and consulting, let them pay for it | 05:10 |
| mdke | none of us have experience of the process of transferring wiki material into the documentation | 05:11 |
| froud | my point exactly, they can pay me for it | 05:11 |
| froud | mdke: understand me | 05:11 |
| froud | mdke: I have put hours into solutions and idea | 05:11 |
| mdke | and that is a process which still has to continue even if the svn process remains the same | 05:11 |
| froud | mdke: my time has been for zero | 05:12 |
| mdke | i know that | 05:12 |
| froud | there is a place for wiki | 05:12 |
| froud | but not as it is used today | 05:12 |
| froud | I have a round trip solution | 05:12 |
| froud | I suggested I asked, and I discussed | 05:12 |
| mdke | with henrik/jane? | 05:13 |
| froud | it was put down as not importnat | 05:13 |
| froud | my focus is not about wiki | 05:13 |
| froud | it was seperate from | 05:13 |
| froud | sabfl and others | 05:13 |
| froud | wiki is not for documentation | 05:14 |
| froud | nice for wikipedia | 05:14 |
| froud | not howtos and books | 05:14 |
| froud | when this strated we wante dthe ease of editing in a wiki with the power of xml | 05:15 |
| froud | I tested and formed a solution | 05:15 |
| froud | but people dont see it | 05:15 |
| froud | instead they keep trying to use a spoon to hammer a 6-inch nail | 05:16 |
| froud | at this point I stopped caring and decided to focus on svn and ignore the noise | 05:16 |
| mdke | my opinion is that your solution has not been given enough visibility, clearly henrik and jane have not heard about it. | 05:16 |
| froud | Hmmm. chats, meetings, email messages, phone calls | 05:17 |
| froud | not enough | 05:17 |
| froud | and since when was it janes | 05:17 |
| froud | jane just came in at the end | 05:18 |
| mdke | they are both new | 05:18 |
| mdke | don't forget sabfdl is the sort of person who gets a million ideas and follows up a million things and then is liable to forget them | 05:18 |
| froud | yeah | 05:18 |
| froud | but we have enough of the canonical team in knowledge of the idea | 05:19 |
| froud | but jdub's take is we dont need it | 05:19 |
| froud | this is pretty much indicative of the persepctive | 05:20 |
| froud | so stuff it and focus on docs in svn I say | 05:20 |
| froud | let, wiki problems grow bigger | 05:20 |
| froud | maybe when there is enough pain they will react | 05:20 |
| mdke | i agree on focusing on docs, but even so, we still need a process for using the material in the wiki, rather than writing all docs from scratch, right? | 05:21 |
| froud | dont know how, but at this point they have lost my support to impliment a solution *free of charge* | 05:21 |
| mdke | froud, copy/paste? | 05:21 |
| froud | that is one way the other ways are in wiki under docteam | 05:21 |
| froud | none are perfct | 05:21 |
| froud | need some human intervention | 05:21 |
| mdke | k | 05:21 |
| mdke | sure | 05:21 |
| froud | but much less that copy paste | 05:22 |
| froud | ;-) | 05:22 |
| mdke | so have you decided not to write on that thread? | 05:22 |
| froud | yep I have and will continue to ignore all wiki issues | 05:22 |
| froud | what I have read | 05:22 |
| froud | does not address the crux of the problem | 05:22 |
| froud | and wont because wiki is a spoon, not a hammer | 05:23 |
| froud | my support is now limited to svn | 05:23 |
| mdke | ok | 05:24 |
| mdke | fair enough | 05:24 |
| froud | at first I was just gonna focus on fringe docs and drop docteam, but I thought that was harsh | 05:24 |
| mdke | *grins* | 05:24 |
| mdke | there are always gonna be non-perfect solutions | 05:24 |
| mdke | doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying | 05:25 |
| froud | so instead of getting caught up in all this nonsense about wiki, I just keep my nose form getting broken by staying out of it | 05:25 |
| mdke | your call | 05:25 |
| froud | yep, pretty much | 05:25 |
| froud | I have not been involved with wiki since I got here | 05:25 |
| froud | people know that I like wiki, but think it is just the wrong tool | 05:26 |
| mdke | i tend to agree | 05:26 |
| froud | everything has a place | 05:26 |
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| mdke | but at the same time we need to use the resources of people who contribute to it | 05:26 |
| froud | so what are you going to write on in svn :-) | 05:26 |
| froud | that is Canonicals call ;-) and the crux of the problem | 05:27 |
| mdke | i'll tend towards the gnome side | 05:27 |
| mdke | userguide is priority i presume | 05:27 |
| froud | good which book do you want to hack | 05:27 |
| froud | nice | 05:27 |
| froud | I suggest you just go for it | 05:27 |
| mdke | but i will probably be better at editing than writing from scratch | 05:27 |
| mdke | i am no geek | 05:27 |
| froud | no geek, but that is good | 05:28 |
| froud | you just write and go for it | 05:28 |
| mdke | sure | 05:28 |
| froud | blind yourself to the noise | 05:28 |
| mdke | *grins* | 05:28 |
| mdke | nope | 05:28 |
| froud | unless it has to do with what you are working on | 05:29 |
| mdke | since i joined ubuntu my contribution has been mainly organisational and trying to enhance communication | 05:29 |
| mdke | no reason to stop now ;) | 05:29 |
| froud | you are key in i18n | 05:29 |
| froud | love you for it | 05:30 |
| froud | dont stop with that | 05:30 |
| mdke | i won't | 05:30 |
| froud | but all this wiki crap | 05:30 |
| froud | my advice is to blind from it | 05:30 |
| froud | it's a hornets nest | 05:30 |
| froud | and a time waster | 05:30 |
| froud | focus on writing | 05:31 |
| froud | we dont expect a shakespear | 05:31 |
| froud | and the eyeballs will fix any problems | 05:31 |
| mdke | sure | 05:31 |
| mdke | but i'm gonna carry on doing a bit of liasing on the wiki thing | 05:32 |
| froud | your call ;-) | 05:32 |
| mdke | not necessary for the web portal business, but just for the zwiki->moin transition process | 05:32 |
| mdke | hey i'm a lawyer | 05:33 |
| mdke | can't resist the liasing | 05:33 |
| mdke | :p | 05:33 |
| froud | if you see something in wiki that you want to port, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConvertWikiToDocbook | 05:33 |
| mdke | will do | 05:34 |
| froud | legal hey | 05:34 |
| froud | I did not know that | 05:34 |
| mdke | no? | 05:35 |
| mdke | i'm not quite a lawyer | 05:35 |
| mdke | still training | 05:35 |
| froud | Ah ha | 05:35 |
| mdke | starting work in october | 05:35 |
| froud | well that to me is a legal bunny | 05:35 |
| froud | I like my legal bunny | 05:35 |
| froud | but not his bills | 05:35 |
| mdke | *grins* | 05:36 |
| mdke | bunny? | 05:36 |
| froud | next time you see a rabbit look into its eye and tell me he is not a lawyer | 05:37 |
| froud | that cute exterior | 05:37 |
| mdke | bunnies are cute inside too surely | 05:37 |
| froud | but analytical interior | 05:37 |
| froud | nah a bunny is always watching you | 05:38 |
| froud | and thinking | 05:38 |
| mdke | *grins* | 05:38 |
| froud | and hops from place to place in search of carrot | 05:38 |
| froud | give a bunny a carrot and he will look for a bigger one | 05:38 |
| froud | the bigger the carrot, the faster he hops | 05:39 |
| mdke | sounds like you have nasty bunnies | 05:39 |
| froud | either that or very bright | 05:39 |
| mdke | anyway, you're right that lawyers hop faster for bigger carrots | 05:39 |
| froud | you see, legal bunny | 05:40 |
| froud | legal bof | 05:40 |
| froud | lawyers and accountants | 05:40 |
| froud | alwys twist it to what they want to say | 05:40 |
| froud | like how much is 1+ 1 | 05:40 |
| froud | what do you want it to be | 05:41 |
| froud | whereas me I just see 1 and 0 | 05:41 |
| mdke | *grins* | 05:41 |
| froud | null between | 05:41 |
| mdke | i'm quite black and white myself | 05:41 |
| froud | but they have their uses | 05:41 |
| mdke | my girlfriend on the other hand | 05:42 |
| mdke | ... | 05:42 |
| froud | Hmmm, women, now there's a peice of work when they are lawyers or accountants | 05:42 |
| froud | I account is a woman | 05:42 |
| froud | love her to | 05:43 |
| froud | drop dead grogious | 05:43 |
| froud | gorgious | 05:43 |
| froud | I feel sorry for the tax man | 05:43 |
| Kinnison | froud: "gorgeous" :-) | 05:43 |
| froud | but it is hard to concerntrate when you have a meeting with her | 05:43 |
| === froud has 10 thumbs | ||
| froud | Hello Kinnison | 05:44 |
| froud | hows the chic today | 05:44 |
| === Kinnison is not feeling very chic today :-) | ||
| === Kinnison is in an old MIPS t-shirt | ||
| froud | MIPS now there is a system I have not seen in awhile | 05:45 |
| froud | oops giving away my age | 05:45 |
| === Kinnison grins | ||
| === Kinnison used to work for 'em | ||
| froud | Nice systems, never had one fall over | 05:46 |
| froud | so I have fond memory of them | 05:46 |
| froud | feel the same about vax | 05:46 |
| froud | and as/400 | 05:47 |
| mdke | Be RiGhT bAcK | 05:47 |
| froud | why did those things never break, but todays systems break all the time | 05:47 |
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| froud | bring back mainframe | 05:47 |
| froud | Kinnison: did you know that IBM installe dover 200 mainframe systems last year ? | 05:48 |
| Kinnison | Seems plausible | 05:48 |
| froud | and heres people thinking it was dead | 05:48 |
| froud | well many people think the same about cobol, but it is still strong | 05:49 |
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| Kinnison | froud: unfortunately :-) | 05:52 |
| Kinnison | COBOL really needs to die | 05:52 |
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| froud | why | 05:53 |
| froud | J2EE compatible and .Net Compliant | 05:53 |
| froud | Ok a bit verbose | 05:53 |
| froud | but heck it does the trick will for business logic | 05:54 |
| froud | XML and Web Services are not a problem | 05:54 |
| froud | Nah, it's OK | 05:54 |
| froud | not as nice as Java or C++, but Cobol still rocks | 05:55 |
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| Burgundavia | salut mpt | 11:16 |
| Burgundavia | can I get a comment on something? | 11:16 |
| mpt | good moaning Burgundavia | 11:17 |
| Burgundavia | can you give a quick comment on this bug? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303759 | 11:18 |
| mpt | Burgundavia: I agree with you | 11:22 |
| Burgundavia | ok, can you say as much on that bug? | 11:22 |
| mpt | How would that help? | 11:24 |
| mpt | I think the thing most likely to help now would be a patch | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | people often colour there judgements by who says it | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 11:24 |
| Burgundavia | think I can convince an ubuntu person to do it? | 11:25 |
| === Burgundavia is not a coder | ||
| === mpt isn't either :-) | ||
| mpt | Well, the Ubuntu plan of action is to package serpentine in main | 11:32 |
| Burgundavia | yes, I was playing with it | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | very cool | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | that is why I thought of the UI in it | 11:33 |
| mpt | So you'd need to convince someone who doesn't already have their plate full of BoF-driven work, perhaps | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | probably a pretty easy thing to do | 11:33 |
| Burgundavia | I heard that the nautilus code is quite clean | 11:34 |
| Burgundavia | filed a bug in b.u.c | 11:40 |
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