=== thegreedyturtle [~thegreedy@user-0c93oto.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thegreedyturtle [~thegreedy@user-0c93oto.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000c6e369955.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thegreedyturtle [~thegreedy@user-0c93oto.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:41] thegreedyturtle, i'm tryin the torrent now [02:41] thanks [02:42] been waiting for 5 minutes now... seems not moving [02:42] maybe my line is bad [02:42] will wait a little longer [02:42] azureus can really suck mem [02:42] :( [02:42] sorry about that, i was working on a kernel thing and forgot to restart azureus last time i rebooted [02:42] i just added it and you should be uploading now [02:43] doesn't appear to have connected you though [02:44] true... seems not moving [02:45] well, i've switched it to super seed it and the tracker is ok, maybe it'll just take a little time to propagate [02:46] ok... i'll wait :) [02:46] it says i've uploaded 168.7 to someone, so i'm pretty sure it's working for someone [02:47] Seeds 0(1) [02:47] now i've got a seeds 0(1) and peers 0(0) [02:48] 0(0) [02:48] how fast is ur line there? [02:49] 2mbit down 512kb up [02:49] i know my ports are open, i don't have any problems seeding other files [02:50] ic... then maybe it could be my prob here [02:51] im going to test on another computer here [02:56] yeah it's off and running here === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-125.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:56] salut mpt [02:57] thegreedyturtle, ok... can u creata another torrent for the enhance version [02:57] sure [02:57] got a link for it? [02:57] http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/add-on-cd/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz [02:57] i'll put the torrent for ppl to download once u r done [02:58] shouldn't take me more than a few minutes after i get it downloaded === jiyuu0 envy ppl with fast line... [02:58] i'm only on 512k broadband here :( [02:59] i understand, im about to go on vacation for 2 weeks w/ only dial up access [02:59] but then i've become an internet snob... [02:59] can't live w/out high speed [03:00] and i don't even play games anymore [03:00] u must be downloading tons of stuff huh [03:00] i wish i'd had this system rescue cd when i was resizing my / partition [03:01] yeah, and i live with a big family who also download tons of stuff [03:01] ubuntu should come with the resize tool during install [03:01] but it's mostly been .iso's of debian/ubuntu/fedora, i only recently have really settled on ubuntu [03:02] i was messing with my partitions post install. i ended up using ubuntu live and then actually installing gparted with apt to do my resize [03:02] i probably could have done it on the live filesystem, but i haven't goofed with it [03:03] i remember talking to a poor guy that had ubuntu automatically partition his hard drive for him, then made a new partition in the back of the drive and expected the front of his drive to still have the ntfs data on it... === jiyuu0|work [~jiyuu0@219.95.241.41] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:30] hi Burgundavia === Burgundavia just saw an ice cream truck, complete with sound. Didn't know they still existed [03:32] how is launchpad work going? [03:35] jiyuu0, It's ready, the direct download is at http://www.torrentbox.com/download.php/15558/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-cd-e-2005-05-08.tgz.torrent or you can see the webpage at: http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-details.php?id=15558&uploaded=1 [03:35] i've got a download testing and it's coming along fine. Sadly it's slow still because I'm the only one seeding it. === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:21] morning [04:35] jdub, a minute? === thegreedyturtle [~thegreedy@user-0c93oto.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:53] ok i will bite the bullet and send this email [05:21] jsgotangco, email? [05:25] im still finishing stuff its about packaged documentation [05:25] ok, have you been doing work in that area? [05:25] im more interested in fixing up the existing docs from scrollkeeper/svn rather than write new docs there is so much to fix there [05:25] yeah [05:25] i have some ideas [05:26] that is what I meant [05:26] but i need to get reactions from devels if its possible [05:26] i think its possible === Burgundavia is working on his brothers xp machine [05:26] i was digging into scrollkeeper lst night [05:26] found at least 81 entries [05:27] ah [05:27] probably 300+ omf files [05:27] which means we have like 300+ packaged docs in a default hoary install [05:27] the problem is digging through that docs [05:27] some of them are so old [05:27] yet they got in [05:28] yesa [05:28] ubuntu-doc is just one entry in scrollkeeper [05:28] a lot of upstream docs suck [05:28] yeah we need to cull some upstream if possible [05:28] hmm, some of the upstreams are dead [05:28] so any changes we make, we must maintain [05:29] thats the point [05:29] can you put what you find on a wiki page? [05:29] so we can discuss further [05:29] sure but i will email this first [05:29] prioritze what we want to fix/work on [05:30] ok [05:30] i want to prioritize the upstream stuff and how ubuntu-specific docs would fit in [05:30] cool [05:30] i think this is what enrico has been doing before [05:30] probably [05:30] but wasnt able to finish [05:30] enrico has kind of dropped off the planet [05:30] he has a job [05:30] ah [05:31] i think this is what jdub is trying to say [05:31] evil evil things, jobs === Burgundavia needs to start looking for one real soon now === jsgotangco too [05:32] im way over my head im not so sure if its possible to manipulate this kind of stuff through scrollkeeper or yelp [05:32] well yelp is another story but its only a browser [05:33] i think its more on scrollkeeper [05:33] I also have no idea [05:33] i've tried rebuilding the scrollkeeper db but there are some with no entries so i guess i am right in some aspects [05:40] when we say upstream, we refer to stuff lifted from gnome/debian right? [05:40] any upstream [05:40] and downstream? [05:40] downstream is us [05:40] us to them? [05:40] coder --> packager --> us [05:41] upstream from us is the packager (usually debian) and the coder [05:44] Burgundavia: very very slowly === mpt is getting more RAM tomorrow, though [05:45] mpt, how much do you currently have? 1 gig makes my machine run quite nicely [05:45] 256MB [05:45] ouch [05:45] Getting 1.25 GB tomorrow [05:46] lucky bugger [05:46] hi mpt [05:47] hello === Burgundavia has been playing with the cool new things on breezy, like beagle [05:49] you're on breezy already? [05:49] yep [05:49] got itchy feet [05:49] had to jump [05:49] i see tseng has already packaged beagle [05:49] yes, is very cool [05:50] i will update my other box to breezy later then [05:50] did Beep MP come in as default? [05:51] no, beep is crap [05:51] ubuntu is trying to change as little from upstream as possibly, for the default [05:51] so rhythmbox and totem [05:51] rb is also crap [05:52] btw i heard your name on lug radio but they laughed at your surname that was rude of them [05:52] not a big deal [05:52] i was slightly offended [05:53] send 'em more email next time [05:53] hmm, nautilus cd burner needs a this much full thing, ala serpentine [05:53] they paraphrased what I had written [05:53] well radio always does that [05:59] jsgotangco, do you use K or Ubuntu? [06:00] Ubuntu [06:01] i rarely use kubuntu [06:01] ok [06:01] http://s1x.homelinux.net/files/main.png [06:01] what do you think of that UI for a cd burner? [06:01] hold on [06:01] if you're thinking of using this UI for nautlis burner, this is much better [06:02] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303759 [06:02] jsgotangco, you read my mind [06:03] heh great minds think alike [06:03] *grin* [06:03] indeed [06:03] serp is in breezy already [06:03] very very nice [06:03] dragndrop stuff [06:03] its a separate app? [06:03] yep [06:03] python [06:03] main? [06:03] currently universe, but planned for main, I think [06:04] wow that's not so bad [06:04] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/AudioCDBurning === Burgundavia has to go, cya [06:05] ok [06:05] ill just email the stuff later and post in the wiki i hope [06:05] ok, and jump on that bug [06:05] see if we can get some movement [07:30] Nautilus folder windows don't have Add and Remove buttons [07:31] you mean the burning function? [07:34] I mean, ordinary folder windows don't have Add and Remove buttons, so why should a CD-R window? [07:35] You could have just one bar showing the capacity/amount of free space, and a Burn button [07:35] true especially if you're aiming for drag and drop functionality i guess === froud [~froud@ndn-165-128-37.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:04] Burgundavia: morning [08:04] jsgotangco: morn [08:11] Good morning froud [08:11] morn [08:11] how r you [08:13] hmm people r silent today [08:13] good morning [08:13] morn [08:16] b'sides jsgotangco is anyone here working on oaything? [08:16] not me [08:16] s/oa/an/ [08:16] mvirkkil: do you have time to work on things [08:17] mvirkkil: how's your docbook? [08:18] Not at the moment. @ work [08:18] mvirkkil: I mean in general, of ocurse I dont expect you to work on this at work :-) [08:18] Actually this week and next week will suck. So probably not doing anything for 2 weeks :-/ [08:19] hi froud how are you? [08:19] jsgotangco: hi [08:19] mvirkkil: do you see someting in svn u would like to do? [08:19] mvirkkil: r you using ubuntu or kubuntu? [08:20] I'm using ubuntu. [08:20] OK, would you like to help us on the User Guide when you have some time [08:20] Planning to dist-upgrade to breezy once I have a bit of free time. [08:20] mvirkkil: good [08:21] froud: I'll be sure to ask you the status of that when I'm done with the project I'm working one. [08:21] :) [08:21] mvirkkil: if you like you can take a look at user guide, it has an outline [08:21] froud: In svn? [08:21] what are you working on [08:21] yes [08:22] Structured Text [08:22] HTML [08:22] Plain Text [08:22] froud: I've got a non-computer project, and then work. [08:22] ... where's the "MoinMoin" option? [08:22] jsgotangco: good points on help [08:22] mpt: a web-based app [08:23] froud: what? [08:23] you writing a web-based app [08:23] or is this command line [08:23] No, I'm trying to edit the wiki [08:23] froud, you read my email? [08:23] jsgotangco: yes [08:23] mpt: Oh ok [08:23] froud: I've seen in the mailing list that (a) the wiki accepts MoinMoin syntax and (b) it's going to be using MoinMoin exclusively in the future [08:23] froud, what you think? i just had that idea last night after Burgundavia and jdub were talking [08:23] but I don't see a MoinMoin option when editing [08:24] mpt: the mon system needs to be installed. Or is it already [08:24] jsgotangco: the stuff about the packaging is correct [08:25] mpt: I know the udu system was using moin [08:25] but I dont know if the main site has moin [08:26] apparently not [08:26]

[08:26] [08:26] yik [08:26] mpt: plone doesn't do moinmoin, but zwiki does [08:27] mor jdub [08:28] yo [08:28] Burgundavia: how's it going with porting ubuntuguide to xml in svn [08:28] hi jdub [08:28] jsgotangco: saw your patches on kwickguide, thnaks [08:28] jsgotangco: just keep hacking dude [08:29] ignore the noise [08:29] yeah [08:29] i know what you mean [08:29] froud, a question [08:29] jsgotangco: I should find some time to take a look at it and give feedback [08:29] ? yes [08:29] what i emailed today, was enrico responsible for cleaning up packaged docs? [08:30] jsgotangco: enrico just packages, butthe real problem is yelp and scrollkeeper [08:30] yes i got it all together last night [08:30] not the most flexible [08:31] i wasn't able to attend the cc meeting because of it [08:31] i was thinking what's wrong with it === froud want to scrap yelp for ubuntu docs, but that is a religious thing [08:31] No Preview function either [08:31] Boy, and I thought MoinMoin was bad :-) [08:31] all wiki stuff sucks for user documents [08:31] nice for wikipedia [08:31] not for long docs [08:32] froud, so what i emailed, is it possible or not? [08:32] jsgotangco: everyting is possible [08:32] jsgotangco: just need time [08:32] im not aiming this for breezy [08:32] and willing hands [08:32] its just not possible with only 2 hands [08:33] and learning at the same time [08:33] it is [08:33] but im not giving up on it [08:33] somebody just need to take it by the horns [08:33] but overall, yelp is weak [08:33] nice for gnome docs, but that is about it [08:34] yeah i noticed the difference between yelp and khelpcenter [08:34] however, since people cant get beyond yelp we are stuck [08:34] but khelpcenter isn't good at organizing either or probably just having the right tree structure [08:34] neither is good [08:34] linux misses a good tool for this === froud thinks a plain html under a browser will be better [08:35] more flexible [08:35] we just need to target html [08:35] I think we spoke about this [08:35] morning guys [08:35] mdke: morn [08:35] jsgotangco: but these issues are just noicse [08:36] hows it going? [08:36] people need to focus on writing [08:36] mdke: slow burn [08:36] froud, ;) [08:37] jsgotangco: which is why I say to you keep hacking kwick guide [08:37] ingnore the noise [08:37] who is gonna adopt the user guide [08:37] cummon somebody my love that [08:37] must love [08:38] jsgotangco: I think it is time the team stopped focusing on everyting else and just focuse don SVN [08:38] UDU is over [08:39] noting great about docs there [08:39] so lets just go for the docs [08:39] stuff the rest [08:40] jsgotangco: Burgundavia : That includes trying to get people to understand the roundtripping approach we wanted with the portal [08:40] nice to have, but I dont think Canonical is playing ball on this [08:40] so stuff them [08:40] froud: Okay, I've never used svn before. Is there a step-by-step guide for setting up and checking out the Ubuntu help? [08:40] go for the jugular and do the docs [08:41] mpt, yeah hang on [08:41] mpt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepRepository [08:41] *grins* [08:42] mpt: there are plenty of hands to help you get up to speed with svn and docbook === mdke nods [08:43] froud, don't give up so easily on a portal, we haven't pushed that hard on it yet, maybe its not over yet [08:43] I think we need to make it clear that everyone on the team is like totally empowered to hack svn [08:43] i agree [08:43] mdke: really, I I am tired of speaking to people at Canonical [08:43] too much religion dude [08:44] wasting time [08:44] froud, how much dialogue did you have with them about the portal? [08:44] enough [08:44] This amongst a few proposals [08:44] lots of inpt 0 out [08:44] time wated [08:44] froud, are you mad at them because of something else, or just the portal [08:44] wasted [08:45] nah, not mad [08:45] clearly if they are keen enough on putting resources into a translating interface, they can be persuaded to put resources into a documentating interface :) [08:45] feel sorry for them [08:45] mdke: yep [08:45] but i agree, for now, we can concentrate on what we have [08:45] anyway [08:45] yes, just stuff them [08:45] *grins* [08:45] and lets go on with the plan [08:46] maybe one day the attitude will change [08:46] so for now lets just have fun [08:46] lets just do what we want in the docs [08:46] no pressure [08:46] what we have we have, what we dont we dont [08:47] we will aim for breezy to do what we can [08:47] ok [08:47] i need to get moving [08:47] class calls [08:47] if it is half baked and not the best, then tuff [08:47] damn these early mornings [08:47] mdke: cheers [08:47] froud, keep the faith [08:47] but not in canonical, just the community [08:48] in the docteam ;) [08:48] sure [08:48] ok cool [08:48] see you later [08:48] I must get dressed and start work [08:48] afk [08:48] c ya === froud is now known as froud-away === mpt does the checkout thang [08:49] How do I verify the certificate? [08:50] These "Canonical Ltd" people sound suspicious === froud-away is now known as froud === froud is now known as froud-work [09:09] mpt, you still there? [09:11] froud-work, I haven't even touching anything with docs recently [09:11] Ok, what do you want to do? [09:11] no, more that I have had other shit going on [09:11] the stuff is still on slow burn for me [09:12] i just had a phone call sorry i was afk for a bit [09:12] other shit, you mean not docs stuff? [09:12] life shit [09:14] good shit I hope [09:14] some good, some bad [09:15] so life is normall then :-) [09:15] yep [09:15] you saw in the scrollback that jdub and I talked last night, both on the phone and in here [09:15] OK, so did you fix your key thing [09:15] yes [09:15] Burgundavia: I am not wasting more time on this [09:15] froud-work, I have given elmo my new key, so he should be getting me a new password sometime soon [09:16] i moved on [09:16] I still believe our thinking and rational are good [09:16] but I am not going to push these dudes [09:16] I am just gonna have fun [09:16] me too [09:17] let me figure out where to start though heh [09:17] this yelp/scrollkeeper thing intrigues me [09:17] and if the stuff outside gets out of control and if ittakes yonks to do the stuff in svn, I could not give a shit [09:17] I dont even care if the stuff in svn gets into the distro [09:18] I just care that I now have fun with this [09:18] if they want to solve problems, then they can pay me :-) [09:18] hmmm [09:18] good idea [09:21] Burgundavia: jsgotangco so I am here, but not going to give the same care and passion I did in the past [09:22] from here in I am here to have fun, no pressure, let the guys at Canonical take the pressure and worry about things [09:23] it does mean that my commits will be when I have time and when I feel like doing [09:23] if I feel like doing [09:23] froud-work, understandable you have a business after all [09:23] yes, but a large part of my business is FOSS [09:24] btw dudes, I released a new version of my web site, in a hurry, feedback is welcome [09:24] http://www.inwords.co.za === jsgotangco wonders when would be the time he would have a paying career in FOSS [09:24] it's an apache forrest [09:24] Yes dudes JAVA [09:24] JAVA [09:24] JAVA [09:24] JAVA [09:25] ooooh I like saying that [09:25] especially here where people seem not to like it [09:25] my eyes! my eye! [09:25] froud-work, you removed your picture heh [09:26] No it is there [09:26] froud-work, odd bug on your site [09:26] http://www.inwords.co.za/management.html [09:26] the first four tabs display first, then the next 2 [09:26] bug must be where [09:26] oh there it is [09:26] next 3 [09:26] Huh, dont understand Burgundavia [09:27] you dont see all tabs or they load is strange order [09:27] froud-work, when I click on any of the tabs, as the page loads, the first 4 tabs are rendered, then the remaining 3 [09:27] might be a firefox bug [09:27] I dont see it in Firefax [09:27] otherwise I don't see anything [09:27] Hmm [09:28] you dont see anyting, no text [09:28] i dont see it either in firefox or ephiphany [09:28] ephinany works [09:28] I did not test === Burgundavia is moving his brother to Ubuntu tomorrow night [09:28] opera, ie, moz and firefox, konqueror === jsgotangco looks at careers heh [09:29] but something i borked in konqueror [09:29] the fonts are so small [09:29] btw all the content is docbook [09:30] im not surprised [09:30] inkscape svg for images transformed to png [09:30]