[12:03] ajmitch_: main probably [12:03] bah I thought gcursor was working fine [12:04] anyway time to sleep for now [12:04] bbl === ogra [~ogra@p5089D75E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~user@202.172.110.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] dholbach: ping? [12:32] doko: I think he's asleep [12:33] hey guys, I have a present for you :) [12:33] http://amedias.org/~koke/ubuntu/sidebar/ [12:33] please suggest new inputs/links :D [12:35] wow, the build log search tool is cool [12:35] what about bugzilla/malone, koke? [12:35] humm [12:37] case "malone": die("A system error occurred."); [12:37] ;P [12:38] crimsun, koke, ogra, dholbach, ajmitch_: could we sit together on Wed evening UTC to prepare the CXX transition for universe? [12:38] doko: what time UTC? [12:38] doko: that is 11 May [12:38] May 11th :P [12:38] ? [12:39] doesn't matter for me, what works for you au/nz people? [12:39] 18th ? [12:39] I've got to be at uni at 2200UTC [12:39] so before then is fine [12:39] so 19:00 UTC would be fine? [12:39] 1900 UTC tomorrow is fine [12:40] (or one week hence) [12:40] 1900UTC wednesday should be good [12:40] 7AM for me, not too early :) [12:40] ajmitch_: is one hour later better? [12:41] that'll probably push him closer to uni time [12:41] 1900 is better, I think [12:41] depends on how long the meeting will be [12:42] ok, could you tell other MOTUs about it, if they are interested? [12:42] doko: just to clarify, this is for tomorrow (11 May), correct? [12:42] correct [12:42] ok === Nafallo [~nafallo@nafallo.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] ogra, tseng: tomboy should dep mono ;-) [12:46] we know, deps are fucked up across the board [12:46] Nafallo, if mono is fixed, the apps will depend on what they need.... currently everything is borked [12:46] they will be fixed [12:47] ofcourse they will. MOTUs rock! :-) [12:47] I had to say something when I got exec: mono: not found ;-) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:koke] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Meeting with Malone crew: 12 May 20:00 UTC | Meeting for UniverseCXXTransition: 11 May 19:00 UTC [12:50] yay! works :-) [12:50] thanks koke :) [12:50] :D [12:50] I'd forget if not :) [12:51] that's today :-P [12:51] koke ? [12:51] Nafallo: yes, in < 24 hours [12:51] I need an event notification applet that works :) [12:51] it's 00:51 here in CET ;-) [12:51] koke, evo+ical :) [12:52] heh, I'm still using ~/TODO :/ [12:52] koke, btw 11 May 19:00 is in more then 360 days ;) [12:52] doko: you're planning g++ 4.0 to be default in the next few days? [12:52] ajmitch_, yes [12:52] great [12:52] oh my. [12:53] I mean something opening the lid of my laptop and shouting, "Hey stupid, you should be at #ubuntu-motu now!!" [12:53] :D [12:53] koke, patch evo ;) [12:54] koke: I want one of those. is she cute to? :-) [12:54] I think what I need is some kind of cell-phone sized PDA [12:54] with good software to sync with ubuntu [12:55] koke: naah, get a girlfriend and train here ;-) [12:55] s/here/her/ [12:55] Nafallo: but she's not always with me :( [12:56] koke: I got the same problem til she turns 18 this autumn :-/. [12:56] if I have a job then, that is. [01:04] hey all [01:04] Unfrgiven: hi there :-) [01:04] Nafallo: hi :) [01:05] did anyone here attend the community meeting? i was unable to attend since it was held at 2 am my time... mako & dholbach had said that my membership would be discussed but there seems to be nothing in the logs... what can i do? [01:05] hi Unfrgiven [01:06] hopefully another meeting will be scheduled at a more reasonable time [01:07] ajmitch_: what sort of time frame is it expected to be held? [01:07] btw if you can crawl out of bed at 5am, there's a small meeting on the c++ transition plan tomorrow :) [01:07] Unfrgiven: not sure, sorry [01:07] bummer... i was so pumped about it and all. i was hoping to wake up to some good news :( === koke going to sleep [01:07] bye [01:08] ajmitch_: ill try and attend that meeting tomorrow [01:08] the CC generally prefers people to be there, I think [01:08] bye koke === goofrider [~goofrider@63-231-60-124.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] ajmitch_: right well i guess ill just wait then :) [01:11] you can still contribute, of course :) [01:11] which will just help your case even more at the next meeting [01:12] ajmitch_: just so im better informed, what are the issues surrounding the c++ transistion. people have told me on several occasions that the g++4 transition is going to be painful, but i don't know why exactly yet. i've been a windows C++ developer all these years :) [01:12] ajmitch_: oh don't you worry, i have no intentions of easing up on my contributions. [01:12] ajmitch_: :) [01:13] Unfrgiven: well if you know c++ then you will be much loved ;) [01:13] the issues are that g++ 4.0 is much stricter on c++ code than previous compilers [01:13] and there's plenty of sloppy coding around [01:13] ajmitch_: yeah i'm fluent in my c++. its what i do at work as well... c++ development. [01:14] ajmitch_: do we have a list of packages that fail to build? [01:14] great [01:14] ajmitch_: or at least an automated way of determining which packages fail to build? [01:14] currently there's UniverseCxxTransition for packages which have a patch already from debian === elmo_ [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] automated way is watching the build logs once g++ 4.0 is default :) [01:16] ajmitch_: and whats the usual process? put the onus on upstream to fix it or patch it ourselves? [01:16] the ideal situation is to work with upstream in fixing it [01:16] (upstream in this case being upstream and debian maintainer) [01:18] right. [01:19] we want to carry as few patches as possible [01:19] since it makes merging new versions more mainful [01:19] s/mainful/painful/ [01:20] fair enough [01:31] El Guapo, would you say there is a plethora of ops in #ubuntu now? [01:32] 6 atm, seems ok [01:35] ugh, they're saying the word [01:35] yep [01:37] crimsun, Just a silly quote from The Three Amigos :) === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000c6e369955.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@216.017.dsl.nsw.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jblack [~jblack@static-209-158-45-74.scr.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] Hi. Any motus present? [04:26] yep [04:26] what's up? [04:28] Hi ajmitch! What's shaking? [04:29] I need to chase down some info from whoever handles aspell-en, which is a universe package. As far as I can tell, from a cvs perspective, the sources are part of aspell. [04:30] apt-cache policy tells me it's main [04:30] but I came across this problem with another package [04:31] looks to be main [04:31] I'm sorry, so it is. [04:32] I got tricked because "Maintainer" is a guy at debian. [04:32] yeah, that doesn't get changed usually, which is a sore point with some debian guys now [04:34] I guess that takes me around to about the same spot. How do I find the person that's packaging this? [04:34] there aren't really any specific maintainers, except for things like gnome, the installer, etc [04:35] so anyone who uploads to main can take care of it [04:36] Is there a way to tell who uploaded it to main last? [04:37] /usr/share/doc/aspell-en/changelog.Debian.gz - looks to have been synced from debian, not changed by anyone in ubuntu [04:38] Gotcha. Thanks for the help. [04:39] So, how are you doing? [04:39] no problems [04:39] I'm doing alright, busy with work & uni as usual [04:39] how are you? [04:40] Pretty darn busy. I'm vixing baz in one tty, watching the status of a big job in another tty, and chasing down aspell-en in yet another. [04:42] I've been trying to merge changes we made in hoary using MoM [04:42] I'm not sure what MoM is. [04:42] and in a few hours we've got to sort out the plan for the C++ transition - a few hundred packages to fix [04:42] merge-o-matic [04:42] and I'm trying to learn baz [04:44] If you ever have trouble, hunt one of us down (jblack, lifeless, bob2, ddaa). We're pretty friendly [04:44] ...though I did let a grandmother in a wheelchair go rolling the other day... [04:45] Anyways, I should probably get going. [04:45] Nice talking to you again [04:46] alright, see you round [05:57] w00t === schweeb reads the results of the CC meeting [05:59] schweeb: congrats. :) [05:59] thx === schweeb tries to figure out if he has to do anything now [05:59] heh [05:59] schweeb: sign the CoC [06:00] I signed it a while ago for ubuntite and gave it to mako... not sure if he wants it again [06:00] oh [06:00] thats fine then [06:00] might want to remind mako about that tho [06:00] yea [06:00] he's prolly sleeping [06:00] dro phim an email [06:00] yea [06:00] I should be sleeping too [06:00] jej [06:01] I have a meeting in 7 hours [06:01] heh [06:01] with the new bosses [06:02] of course the guys that come in to work at 6am every day have no problem with asking the 9am guys to come in for an early meeting... but ask them to stay late and.... [06:02] haha [06:20] hi all. im currently trying to package a gnome applet. it is failing to build in pbuilder in make install-data-hook due to some omf file. can anyone help me track down the problem? [06:22] Unfrgiven: no idea but as a tim try looking at the packaging of some other applet [06:23] such as netapplet [06:23] and comapre [06:23] compare [06:23] Lathiat: ok will do. === AndyFitz [~andy@wlanconf-nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AndyFitz [~andy@wlanconf-nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b75.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] morning [07:45] dholbach: hey dholbach [07:45] Unfrgiven: hey ankur, how are you? [07:46] dholbach: im good. how about you? [07:46] still waking up, but fine - need to configure mutt to have some automatic mails sent out :-) [07:46] in the CC meeting this morning, no one discussed my membership :( [07:47] Unfrgiven: Where you present? [07:47] oh yes :-( [07:47] Unfrgiven: or, were you present at the last meeting? [07:47] Lathiat: no i was not able to be present. it was held at 2am [07:47] will next time suit you better? [07:47] i think you have to be present at a meeting [07:47] 24 May 22:00 UTC [07:48] Unfrgiven: they seem to have skipped you, but Lathiat is right, you need to attend at least one meeting [07:48] dholbach: not really because its at 8 in the morning... im going to have to go to work then [07:49] but ill do what i can to make it [07:50] Unfrgiven: i will make a note to talk to mako [07:50] dholbach: thanks [07:50] dholbach: ive been looking at your fast-user-switch-applet packages [07:50] how is it? [07:50] did you incorporate your changes? === ogra [~ogra@p5089FB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium bangs his head against his desk [07:51] hey tritium [07:51] hey dholbach [07:51] very interesting actually... its the first package ive seen which just has the tarball and debian directory. a new experience :) [07:52] :-) [07:52] i quite like that format of doing things [07:52] it looks awkward === susus [~sz@p5089FB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:52] yeh i like that format too [07:52] and using patch files [08:15] good i read the topic [08:15] Meeting for UniverseCXXTransition: 11 May 19:00 UTC [08:17] do you think i should announce it on ubuntu-devel@ as well? [08:18] could you put it on the calendar on the wiki as well? [08:18] i did [08:19] or do you mean the .ics file? [08:19] oh ok :) when i checked over an hour ago it wasnt there [08:19] i just read it 5min ago [08:19] :-) === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:23] hey robitaille [08:24] dholbach, what is "UniverseCxxTransition"? [08:24] i was just about to write a mail about it to u-devel@ :-) [08:24] just saw your change to the calendar [08:24] we will transition over to gcc-4.0 [08:24] the g++-4.0-part will break the ABI [08:25] cxx? [08:25] so there will be a hell lot of action (as you can see on the according wikipage) [08:25] i didnt give it that name :-) [08:25] maybe c++ didnt work :-) [08:25] cxx makes more sense to me anyway ;) [08:26] we'll discuss how to organize efforts and plan the proceedings [08:26] ok. Now that meeting title makes sense to me :) [08:29] sent themail === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] hi [08:38] re ajmitch_ === herzi [~herzi@d015219.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] hey ajmitch_, hey herzi === ajmitch_ is lagging behind - hasn't done > 5 uploads today ;) [08:44] You'll catch up. [08:45] hey jblack, morning! [08:45] Morning (night for me) [08:45] :-) [08:50] Anyone have a rough idea when someone will have time to give my bzflag package some review loving? the changes are trivial to the debian upstream. [08:52] Lathiat: when we get a round tuit [08:52] just wondering if your uber busy atm or something or just rouond to it. :) [08:52] Lathiat: if it's trivial, pass me a url [08:52] http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/ [08:53] Lathiat: we generally try for a FIFO sort of scheme, with some RER thrown in ;) [08:54] i can only speak for myself, i'm really busy atm :-/ [08:54] that's why i sent the "cry for help" (reviewing-wise) to ubuntu-devel@ [08:54] I just finished work for the day, so I've got maybe an hour or two to spare tonight [08:54] very busy for next ~3 weeks, but got time after that [08:55] dholbach: I'll try & allocate reviewing time as well :) [08:55] ajmitch_: ROCKing! :-) [08:55] I'm definitely strapped for time for the next couple weeks, but I'll be in and out, promise === ajmitch_ wonders if tseng still needs boost reviewed? [08:57] last I asked him, Riddell and amu are working on it [08:57] that was the week before Hoary released though [08:57] hay all [08:57] hai [08:58] alright [08:58] boost is fairly comprehensive [08:59] checked - tseng's packages are older than those in breezy === ajmitch_ wonders why the wiki is looking ugly & old skin [09:06] boost review noted.. [09:07] did doko acknowledge or ask for the CxxTransition meeting? [09:07] dholbach: both [09:07] rock [09:07] hmm bugger, cant make the Cxxtransition meeting [09:08] Lathiat: quite luckily the documentation is fairly comprehensive [09:08] dholbach: today (Wed) 1900 UTC [09:08] hey doko [09:08] doko: i'll be there [09:08] dholbach: looks like you've done a good job on reviewing the packages on MOTUToReview [09:09] I'll certainly get up & be there for it [09:09] they were really easy [09:09] yeah [09:09] i'll try, but its 3am here, and i have uni at 10 [09:10] MOTUNewPackages is a bit bigger [09:10] dholbach: what have we decided on the NEW policy after UDU? [09:10] same as before? [09:11] yes === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ sees wifi-radar to not be ubuntu-versioned [09:13] :0:> dpkg-source -x *dsc [09:13] dpkg-source: error: file wifi-radar_1.9.3-1.diff.gz has size 25907 instead of expected 1238 [09:13] hmmmm [09:13] looks worrying :) [09:16] :) [09:16] dholbach: i've finished with fast-user-switch-applet [09:16] im just updating the newpacakages wiki page now [09:17] so its ready for review [09:17] great, I'll take a look [09:17] sweet. im just updating the wiki now.. will let you know when im done [09:17] Unfrgiven: um === ajmitch_ is still saving that wiki page [09:18] Lathiat: looks ok for a first pass; I'll review it more carefully later tonight [09:18] crimsun: ok thanks [09:18] ajmitch_: ok want to let me know when you've finished updating the page? :) [09:19] Unfrgiven: done, fetching your source for review [09:19] Unfrgiven: excellent [09:19] ajmitch_: thanks. [09:19] hmmm where is the edit linkfor the page gone? i thought all users have permissions? [09:19] all logged in users do [09:20] maybe the page was still locked from me? :) [09:20] fusa 0.2.2-0ubuntu1? [09:20] you'd prefer it have a shorter name? [09:20] page is still locked [09:21] no, I just don't like to type when I'm busy ;) [09:21] ajmitch_: hehe [09:21] heh [09:21] mm, cdbs with tarball in tarball [09:21] \o/ [09:22] yes \o/ [09:22] what does "\o/" mean?!? === ajmitch_ might suggest tightening build-depends on debhelper & cdbs to appropriate versions [09:22] should gdm be a build-depend? [09:22] no [09:23] ok === ajmitch_ hasn't tried building, just reading so far :) [09:23] ajmitch_: gdm would be a bad build-depend [09:23] hence the options to configure [09:23] it would be a very nasty build-depend [09:24] I was just checking that the configure options didn't require gdm as well [09:24] :) [09:24] ok wiki pages are still locked... ill have to try editing it some other time === ajmitch_ can edit it? [09:24] odd [09:24] nup [09:24] you are logged in? [09:24] could my account be locked out or something? [09:25] yes im logged in [09:25] maybe you have to beg jdub [09:25] maybe [09:25] the wiki si looking awfully ugly like it used to [09:25] like it lost the new skin [09:26] theres a new skin? === ivoks [~ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] anyways ive gotta go... indoor cricket awaits :) [09:27] ajmitch_: could you please paste your comments here or private message me? [09:27] sure [09:27] I'll put comments on the wiki as well, if you want [09:27] have fun at cricket [09:27] hi ivoks === chmj [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] hey chmj [09:27] k thanks [09:27] gnite all [09:27] hiya ajmitch_ [09:31] bye guys! === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-132.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@td9091b75.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.141] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] <\sh> morning [10:02] hi \sh [10:02] how are you? [10:02] <\sh> back is ok right now, and I slept quite well, yes :) it's ok :) [10:03] great :) [10:04] <\sh> waiting for my SI server to import data for several services and then I wanted to make SER lintian clean ;) [10:04] <\sh> and finally i'm waiting to close my assigned bugs on malone, but I can't see them :( cause "system error occured" [10:04] I just noticed I was mentioned on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat === ajmitch_ fears the #ubuntu pit :) [10:24] <\sh> i have doubts that it will work like that [10:25] well it'll still be open for discussion === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:31] <\sh> ajmitch_: we can't change the ppl :( and this is our issue...not the protocol, not the ops, the ppl ;) [10:44] of course, it's always a problem [10:45] but we have to still be able to have a decent community somehow [10:47] yay! ipv6 works again with 2.6.12! [10:49] never stopped for me [10:49] what use case? [10:51] Lathiat: see -devel [10:59] about the only ipv6 I've known of is poor source address selection [10:59] s/ipv6/ipv6 issue/ [11:00] ajmitch_: my problem was that autoconfig didn't work [11:00] right === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === willis [~willis@82.110.178.18] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmo [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] ajmitch_: the kubuntu guys were supposed to review that [12:05] ajmitch_: and mark it off [12:07] tseng: beagle is love, you rock [12:08] tseng, how is the mono ststus ? [12:09] tseng, dh_clidebs still has issues, even with monodis in place [12:09] it always had issues [12:09] it seems to pick the wrong path to the binary [12:09] is it just as bad? [12:10] nope, its just a scripting issue now [12:10] k [12:10] i am running low on free time :( [12:11] isnt everyone [12:11] any idea how to solve the monodis thing ? i'll do it, i prefer that you work on f-spot or monodevelop 0.6 instead of doing boring maintenance/bugfixing work :) [12:11] Lathiat: where's your name on breezy goals? :P [12:12] f-spot would be ready to go if libgnome-cil had the right deps [12:12] yeah, where is your nme on the MOTU wiki ? [12:12] stupid thing [12:12] oki, i'll try to sort that out today [12:12] next to one package with a slight build fix to be review :> [12:12] ogra: you rock [12:12] :) [12:12] i have other things im running short on time for, like avahi et al [12:12] i tried to re-autotool it yesterday bye daniels suggestion [12:13] it still has the script === ajmitch_ is currently testing a qemu build, continuing with hoary/sid/breezy merges [12:14] mmm, merges [12:14] yep [12:14] tseng, worst case i'll do a rm in the rules file ;) [12:14] I've got a list of 300 packages or so to work on [12:14] ogra: yeah i should have done that last night [12:14] shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks to get through 50% of them ;) [12:15] is that all :( [12:15] heh... but thats insane... i'll do it only if i cant find another solution [12:15] it will definately still miss things [12:15] 93 report as cleanly patching, but that doesn't mean they build [12:15] but it should do *something* :P === ajmitch_ has found a few that fail so far, like ethereal :) [12:16] mm dont break that [12:16] need it at work [12:16] if somebody feels bored and has an amd64, nmap fails when logging to a file. [12:19] oh === ogra is a bit busy getting mono in shape for amd64.... [12:19] but if i find the time i'll look at it [12:21] qemu build failure, as expected.. === ajmitch_ re-adds zlib builddep [12:26] my head hurts [12:27] oh man [12:27] i knew that picture on planet gnome was mine [12:27] thats how he did it [12:27] the luis pic? [12:28] yes [12:28] he actually flipped his other ear [12:28] mine was not a full shot [12:28] yeah, I thought it was well done [12:28] i looked at it and thought, that cant be mine [12:28] he must make that face alot [12:29] and then i saw the incoming link to my site [12:29] i like my caption better [12:29] you know.. we should make that the planet ubuntu meme [12:30] do different edits on that photo [12:30] qemu == crack [12:30] which photo is this, tseng? [12:30] error: unable to find a register to spill in class GENERAL_REGS [12:31]