[12:03] <seb128> ajmitch_: main probably
[12:03] <seb128> bah I thought gcursor was working fine
[12:04] <seb128> anyway time to sleep for now
[12:04] <seb128> bbl
[12:31] <doko> dholbach: ping?
[12:32] <crimsun> doko: I think he's asleep
[12:33] <koke> hey guys, I have a present for you :)
[12:33] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/ubuntu/sidebar/
[12:33] <koke> please suggest new inputs/links :D
[12:35] <ogra> wow, the build log search tool is cool
[12:35] <blueyed> what about bugzilla/malone, koke?
[12:35] <koke> humm
[12:37] <koke> case "malone": die("A system error occurred.");
[12:37] <koke> ;P
[12:38] <doko> crimsun, koke, ogra, dholbach, ajmitch_: could we sit together on Wed evening UTC to prepare the CXX transition for universe?
[12:38] <ajmitch_> doko: what time UTC?
[12:38] <koke> doko: that is 11 May
[12:38] <koke> May 11th :P
[12:38] <koke> ?
[12:39] <doko> doesn't matter for me, what works for you au/nz people?
[12:39] <ogra> 18th ?
[12:39] <ajmitch_> I've got to be at uni at 2200UTC
[12:39] <ajmitch_> so before then is fine
[12:39] <doko> so 19:00 UTC would be fine?
[12:39] <crimsun> 1900 UTC tomorrow is fine
[12:40] <crimsun> (or one week hence)
[12:40] <ajmitch_> 1900UTC wednesday should be good
[12:40] <ajmitch_> 7AM for me, not too early :)
[12:40] <doko> ajmitch_: is one hour later better?
[12:41] <crimsun> that'll probably push him closer to uni time
[12:41] <ajmitch_> 1900 is better, I think
[12:41] <ajmitch_> depends on how long the meeting will be
[12:42] <doko> ok, could you tell other MOTUs about it, if they are interested?
[12:42] <crimsun> doko: just to clarify, this is for tomorrow (11 May), correct?
[12:42] <doko> correct
[12:42] <crimsun> ok
[12:45] <Nafallo> ogra, tseng: tomboy should dep mono ;-)
[12:46] <tseng> we know, deps are fucked up across the board
[12:46] <ogra> Nafallo, if mono is fixed, the apps will depend on what they need.... currently everything is borked
[12:46] <tseng> they will be fixed
[12:47] <Nafallo> ofcourse they will. MOTUs rock! :-)
[12:47] <Nafallo> I had to say something when I got exec: mono: not found ;-)
[12:50] <Nafallo> yay! works :-)
[12:50] <ajmitch_> thanks koke :)
[12:50] <koke> :D
[12:50] <koke> I'd forget if not :)
[12:51] <Nafallo> that's today :-P
[12:51] <ogra> koke ?
[12:51] <ajmitch_> Nafallo: yes, in < 24 hours
[12:51] <koke> I need an event notification applet that works :)
[12:51] <Nafallo> it's 00:51 here in CET ;-)
[12:51] <ogra> koke, evo+ical :)
[12:52] <crimsun> heh, I'm still using ~/TODO  :/
[12:52] <ogra> koke, btw  11 May 19:00 is in more then 360 days ;)
[12:52] <ajmitch_> doko: you're planning g++ 4.0 to be default in the next few days?
[12:52] <doko> ajmitch_, yes
[12:52] <ajmitch_> great
[12:52] <crimsun> oh my.
[12:53] <koke> I mean something opening the lid of my laptop and shouting, "Hey stupid, you should be at #ubuntu-motu now!!"
[12:53] <koke> :D
[12:53] <ogra> koke, patch evo ;)
[12:54] <Nafallo> koke: I want one of those. is she cute to? :-)
[12:54] <koke> I think what I need is some kind of cell-phone sized PDA
[12:54] <koke> with good software to sync with ubuntu
[12:55] <Nafallo> koke: naah, get a girlfriend and train here ;-)
[12:55] <Nafallo> s/here/her/
[12:55] <koke> Nafallo: but she's not always with me :(
[12:56] <Nafallo> koke: I got the same problem til she turns 18 this autumn :-/.
[12:56] <Nafallo> if I have a job then, that is.
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> hey all
[01:04] <Nafallo> Unfrgiven: hi there :-)
[01:04] <Unfrgiven> Nafallo: hi :)
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> did anyone here attend the community meeting? i was unable to attend since it was held at 2 am my time... mako & dholbach had said that my membership would be discussed but there seems to be nothing in the logs... what can i do?
[01:05] <ajmitch_> hi Unfrgiven
[01:06] <ajmitch_> hopefully another meeting will be scheduled at a more reasonable time
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: what sort of time frame is it expected to be held?
[01:07] <ajmitch_> btw if you can crawl out of bed at 5am, there's a small meeting on the c++ transition plan tomorrow :)
[01:07] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: not sure, sorry
[01:07] <Unfrgiven> bummer... i was so pumped about it and all. i was hoping to wake up to some good news :(
[01:07] <koke> bye
[01:08] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: ill try and attend that meeting tomorrow
[01:08] <ajmitch_> the CC generally prefers people to be there, I think
[01:08] <ajmitch_> bye koke
[01:11] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: right well i guess ill just wait then :)
[01:11] <ajmitch_> you can still contribute, of course :)
[01:11] <ajmitch_> which will just help your case even more at the next meeting
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: just so im better informed, what are the issues surrounding the c++ transistion. people have told me on several occasions that the g++4 transition is going to be painful, but i don't know why exactly yet. i've been a windows C++ developer all these years :)
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: oh don't you worry, i have no intentions of easing up on my contributions.
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: :)
[01:13] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: well if you know c++ then you will be much loved ;)
[01:13] <ajmitch_> the issues are that g++ 4.0 is much stricter on c++ code than previous compilers
[01:13] <ajmitch_> and there's plenty of sloppy coding around
[01:13] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: yeah i'm fluent in my c++. its what i do at work as well... c++ development.
[01:14] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: do we have a list of packages that fail to build?
[01:14] <ajmitch_> great
[01:14] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: or at least an automated way of determining which packages fail to build?
[01:14] <ajmitch_> currently there's UniverseCxxTransition for packages which have a patch already from debian
[01:14] <ajmitch_> automated way is watching the build logs once g++ 4.0 is default :)
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: and whats the usual process? put the onus on upstream to fix it or patch it ourselves?
[01:16] <crimsun> the ideal situation is to work with upstream in fixing it
[01:16] <crimsun> (upstream in this case being upstream and debian maintainer)
[01:18] <Unfrgiven> right.
[01:19] <ajmitch_> we want to carry as few patches as possible
[01:19] <ajmitch_> since it makes merging new versions more mainful
[01:19] <ajmitch_> s/mainful/painful/
[01:20] <Unfrgiven> fair enough
[01:31] <tritium> El Guapo, would you say there is a plethora of ops in #ubuntu now?
[01:32] <crimsun> 6 atm, seems ok
[01:35] <ajmitch_> ugh, they're saying the word
[01:35] <tritium> yep
[01:37] <tritium> crimsun, Just a silly quote from The Three Amigos :)
[04:17] <jblack> Hi. Any motus present?
[04:26] <ajmitch_> yep
[04:26] <ajmitch_> what's up?
[04:28] <jblack> Hi ajmitch! What's shaking?
[04:29] <jblack> I need to chase down some info from whoever handles aspell-en, which is a universe package. As far as I can tell, from a cvs perspective, the sources are part of aspell.
[04:30] <ajmitch_> apt-cache policy tells me it's main
[04:30] <ajmitch_> but I came across this problem with another package
[04:31] <ajmitch_> looks to be main
[04:31] <jblack> I'm sorry, so it is.
[04:32] <jblack> I got tricked because "Maintainer" is a guy at debian.
[04:32] <ajmitch_> yeah, that doesn't get changed usually, which is a sore point with some debian guys now
[04:34] <jblack> I guess that takes me around to about the same spot. How do I find the person that's packaging this?
[04:34] <ajmitch_> there aren't really any specific maintainers, except for things like gnome, the installer, etc
[04:35] <ajmitch_> so anyone who  uploads to main can take care of it
[04:36] <jblack> Is there a way to tell who uploaded it to main last?
[04:37] <ajmitch_>  /usr/share/doc/aspell-en/changelog.Debian.gz - looks to have been synced from debian, not changed by anyone in ubuntu
[04:38] <jblack> Gotcha. Thanks for the help.
[04:39] <jblack> So, how are you doing?
[04:39] <ajmitch_> no problems
[04:39] <ajmitch_> I'm doing alright, busy with work & uni as usual
[04:39] <ajmitch_> how are you?
[04:40] <jblack> Pretty darn busy. I'm vixing baz in one tty, watching the status of a big job in another tty, and chasing down aspell-en in yet another.
[04:42] <ajmitch_> I've been trying to merge changes we made in hoary using MoM
[04:42] <jblack> I'm not sure what MoM is.
[04:42] <ajmitch_> and in a few hours we've got to sort out the plan for the C++ transition - a few hundred packages to fix
[04:42] <ajmitch_> merge-o-matic
[04:42] <ajmitch_> and I'm trying to learn baz
[04:44] <jblack> If you ever have trouble, hunt one of us down (jblack, lifeless, bob2, ddaa). We're pretty friendly
[04:44] <jblack> ...though I did let a grandmother in a wheelchair go rolling the other day...
[04:45] <jblack> Anyways, I should probably get going.
[04:45] <jblack> Nice talking to you again
[04:46] <ajmitch_> alright, see you round
[05:57] <schweeb> w00t
[05:59] <Lathiat> schweeb: congrats. :)
[05:59] <schweeb> thx
[05:59] <schweeb> heh
[05:59] <Lathiat> schweeb: sign the CoC
[06:00] <schweeb> I signed it a while ago for ubuntite and gave it to mako... not sure if he wants it again
[06:00] <Lathiat> oh
[06:00] <Lathiat> thats fine then
[06:00] <Lathiat> might want to remind mako about that tho
[06:00] <schweeb> yea
[06:00] <schweeb> he's prolly sleeping
[06:00] <Lathiat> dro phim an email
[06:00] <schweeb> yea
[06:00] <schweeb> I should be sleeping too
[06:00] <Lathiat> jej
[06:01] <schweeb> I have a meeting in 7 hours
[06:01] <Lathiat> heh
[06:01] <schweeb> with the new bosses
[06:02] <schweeb> of course the guys that come in to work at 6am every day have no problem with asking the 9am guys to come in for an early meeting... but ask them to stay late and....
[06:02] <Lathiat> haha
[06:20] <Unfrgiven> hi all. im currently trying to package a gnome applet. it is failing to build in pbuilder in make install-data-hook due to some omf file. can anyone help me track down the problem?
[06:22] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: no idea but as a tim try looking at the packaging of some other applet
[06:23] <Lathiat> such as netapplet
[06:23] <Lathiat> and comapre
[06:23] <Lathiat> compare
[06:23] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: ok will do.
[07:44] <dholbach> morning
[07:45] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hey dholbach
[07:45] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: hey ankur, how are you?
[07:46] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: im good. how about you?
[07:46] <dholbach> still waking up, but fine - need to configure mutt to have some automatic mails sent out :-)
[07:46] <Unfrgiven> in the CC meeting this morning, no one discussed my membership :(
[07:47] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: Where you present?
[07:47] <dholbach> oh yes :-(
[07:47] <Lathiat> Unfrgiven: or, were you present at the last meeting?
[07:47] <Unfrgiven> Lathiat: no i was not able to be present. it was held at 2am
[07:47] <dholbach> will next time suit you better?
[07:47] <Lathiat> i think you have to be present at a meeting
[07:47] <dholbach> 24 May 22:00 UTC
[07:48] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: they seem to have skipped you, but Lathiat is right, you need to attend at least one meeting
[07:48] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: not really because its at 8 in the morning... im going to have to go to work then
[07:49] <Unfrgiven> but ill do what i can to make it
[07:50] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: i will make a note to talk to mako
[07:50] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: thanks
[07:50] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: ive been looking at your fast-user-switch-applet packages
[07:50] <dholbach> how is it?
[07:50] <dholbach> did you incorporate your changes?
[07:51] <dholbach> hey tritium
[07:51] <tritium> hey dholbach
[07:51] <Unfrgiven> very interesting actually... its the first package ive seen which just has the tarball and debian directory. a new experience :)
[07:52] <dholbach> :-)
[07:52] <Unfrgiven> i quite like that format of doing things
[07:52] <dholbach> it looks awkward
[07:52] <Lathiat> yeh i like that format too
[07:52] <Lathiat> and using patch files
[08:15] <dholbach> good i read the topic
[08:15] <dholbach> Meeting for UniverseCXXTransition: 11 May 19:00 UTC
[08:17] <dholbach> do you think i should announce it on ubuntu-devel@ as well?
[08:18] <Unfrgiven> could you put it on the calendar on the wiki as well?
[08:18] <dholbach> i did
[08:19] <dholbach> or do you mean the .ics file?
[08:19] <Unfrgiven> oh ok :) when i checked over an hour ago it wasnt there
[08:19] <dholbach> i just read it 5min ago
[08:19] <dholbach> :-)
[08:23] <dholbach> hey robitaille
[08:24] <robitaille> dholbach,   what is "UniverseCxxTransition"?
[08:24] <dholbach> i was just about to write a mail about it to u-devel@ :-)
[08:24] <robitaille> just saw your change to the calendar
[08:24] <dholbach> we will transition over to gcc-4.0
[08:24] <dholbach> the  g++-4.0-part  will break the ABI
[08:25] <robitaille> cxx?
[08:25] <dholbach> so there will be a hell lot of action (as you can see on the according wikipage)
[08:25] <dholbach> i didnt give it that name :-)
[08:25] <dholbach> maybe c++ didnt work :-)
[08:25] <crimsun> cxx makes more sense to me anyway ;)
[08:26] <dholbach> we'll discuss how to organize efforts and plan the proceedings
[08:26] <robitaille> ok. Now that meeting title makes sense to me :)
[08:29] <dholbach> sent themail
[08:38] <ajmitch_> hi
[08:38] <crimsun> re ajmitch_
[08:44] <dholbach> hey ajmitch_, hey herzi
[08:44] <jblack> You'll catch up.
[08:45] <dholbach> hey jblack, morning!
[08:45] <jblack> Morning (night for me)
[08:45] <dholbach> :-)
[08:50] <Lathiat> Anyone have a rough idea when someone will have time to give my bzflag package some review loving? the changes are trivial to the debian upstream.
[08:52] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: when we get a round tuit
[08:52] <Lathiat> just wondering if your uber busy atm or something or just rouond to it. :)
[08:52] <crimsun> Lathiat: if it's trivial, pass me a url
[08:52] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/
[08:53] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: we generally try for a FIFO sort of scheme, with some RER thrown in ;)
[08:54] <dholbach> i can only speak for myself, i'm really busy atm :-/
[08:54] <dholbach> that's why i sent the "cry for help" (reviewing-wise) to ubuntu-devel@
[08:54] <ajmitch_> I just finished work for the day, so I've got maybe an hour or two to spare tonight
[08:54] <ajmitch_> very busy for next ~3 weeks, but got time after that
[08:55] <ajmitch_> dholbach: I'll try & allocate reviewing time as well :)
[08:55] <dholbach> ajmitch_: ROCKing! :-)
[08:55] <crimsun> I'm definitely strapped for time for the next couple weeks, but I'll be in and out, promise
[08:57] <crimsun> last I asked him, Riddell and amu are working on it
[08:57] <crimsun> that was the week before Hoary released though
[08:57] <herzi> hay all
[08:57] <crimsun> hai
[08:58] <ajmitch_> alright
[08:58] <ajmitch_> boost is fairly comprehensive
[08:59] <ajmitch_> checked - tseng's packages are older than those in breezy
[09:06] <ajmitch_> boost review noted..
[09:07] <dholbach> did doko acknowledge or ask for the CxxTransition meeting?
[09:07] <crimsun> dholbach: both
[09:07] <dholbach> rock
[09:07] <Lathiat> hmm bugger, cant make the Cxxtransition meeting
[09:08] <dholbach> Lathiat: quite luckily the documentation is fairly comprehensive
[09:08] <doko> dholbach: today (Wed) 1900 UTC
[09:08] <ajmitch_> hey doko
[09:08] <dholbach> doko: i'll be there
[09:08] <ajmitch_> dholbach: looks like you've done a good job on reviewing the packages on MOTUToReview
[09:09] <ajmitch_> I'll certainly get up & be there for it
[09:09] <dholbach> they were really easy
[09:09] <ajmitch_> yeah
[09:09] <Lathiat> i'll try, but its 3am here, and i have uni at 10
[09:10] <ajmitch_> MOTUNewPackages is a bit bigger
[09:10] <ajmitch_> dholbach: what have we decided on the NEW policy after UDU?
[09:10] <ajmitch_> same as before?
[09:11] <dholbach> yes
[09:13] <ajmitch_> :0:> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[09:13] <ajmitch_> dpkg-source: error: file wifi-radar_1.9.3-1.diff.gz has size 25907 instead of expected 1238
[09:13] <ajmitch_> hmmmm
[09:13] <ajmitch_> looks worrying :)
[09:16] <Unfrgiven> :)
[09:16] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: i've finished with fast-user-switch-applet
[09:16] <Unfrgiven> im just updating the newpacakages wiki page now
[09:17] <Unfrgiven> so its ready for review
[09:17] <ajmitch_> great, I'll take a look
[09:17] <Unfrgiven> sweet. im just updating the wiki now.. will let you know when im done
[09:17] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: um
[09:18] <crimsun> Lathiat: looks ok for a first pass; I'll review it more carefully later tonight
[09:18] <Lathiat> crimsun: ok thanks
[09:18] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: ok want to let me know when you've finished updating the page? :)
[09:19] <ajmitch_> Unfrgiven: done, fetching your source for review
[09:19] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: excellent
[09:19] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: thanks.
[09:19] <Unfrgiven> hmmm where is the edit linkfor the page gone? i thought all users have permissions?
[09:19] <ajmitch_> all logged in users do
[09:20] <ajmitch_> maybe the page was still locked from me? :)
[09:20] <ajmitch_> fusa 0.2.2-0ubuntu1?
[09:20] <Unfrgiven> you'd prefer it have a shorter name?
[09:20] <Unfrgiven> page is still locked
[09:21] <ajmitch_> no, I just don't like to type when I'm busy ;)
[09:21] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: hehe
[09:21] <Lathiat> heh
[09:21] <ajmitch_> mm, cdbs with tarball in tarball
[09:21] <Treenaks> \o/
[09:22] <dholbach> yes \o/
[09:22] <Unfrgiven> what does "\o/" mean?!?
[09:22] <ajmitch_> should gdm be a build-depend?
[09:22] <Unfrgiven> no
[09:23] <ajmitch_> ok
[09:23] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: gdm would be a bad build-depend
[09:23] <Unfrgiven> hence the options to configure
[09:23] <ajmitch_> it would be a very nasty build-depend
[09:24] <ajmitch_> I was just checking that the configure options didn't require gdm as well
[09:24] <Unfrgiven> :)
[09:24] <Unfrgiven> ok wiki pages are still locked... ill have to try editing it some other time
[09:24] <ajmitch_> odd
[09:24] <Unfrgiven> nup
[09:24] <ajmitch_> you are logged in?
[09:24] <Unfrgiven> could my account be locked out or something?
[09:25] <Unfrgiven> yes im logged in
[09:25] <ajmitch_> maybe you have to beg jdub
[09:25] <Unfrgiven> maybe
[09:25] <ajmitch_> the wiki si looking awfully ugly like it used to
[09:25] <ajmitch_> like it lost the new skin
[09:26] <Unfrgiven> theres a new skin?
[09:26] <Unfrgiven> anyways ive gotta go... indoor cricket awaits :)
[09:27] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch_: could you please paste your comments here or private message me?
[09:27] <ajmitch_> sure
[09:27] <ajmitch_> I'll put comments on the wiki as well, if you want
[09:27] <ajmitch_> have fun at cricket
[09:27] <ajmitch_> hi ivoks
[09:27] <ajmitch_> hey chmj
[09:27] <Unfrgiven> k thanks
[09:27] <Unfrgiven> gnite all
[09:27] <chmj> hiya ajmitch_
[09:31] <dholbach> bye guys!
[09:49] <\sh> morning
[10:02] <ajmitch_> hi \sh
[10:02] <ajmitch_> how are you?
[10:02] <\sh> back is ok right now, and I slept quite well, yes :) it's ok :)
[10:03] <ajmitch_> great :)
[10:04] <\sh> waiting for my SI server to import data for several services and then I wanted to make SER lintian clean ;)
[10:04] <\sh> and finally i'm waiting to close my assigned bugs on malone, but I can't see them :( cause "system error occured"
[10:04] <ajmitch_> I just noticed I was mentioned on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
[10:24] <\sh> i have doubts that it will work like that
[10:25] <ajmitch_> well it'll still be open for discussion
[10:31] <\sh> ajmitch_: we can't change the ppl :( and this is our issue...not the protocol, not the ops, the ppl ;)
[10:44] <ajmitch_> of course, it's always a problem
[10:45] <ajmitch_> but we have to still be able to have a decent community somehow
[10:47] <Treenaks> yay! ipv6 works again with 2.6.12!
[10:49] <Lathiat> never stopped for me
[10:49] <Lathiat> what use case?
[10:51] <Treenaks> Lathiat: see -devel
[10:59] <ajmitch_> about the only ipv6 I've known of is poor source address selection
[10:59] <ajmitch_> s/ipv6/ipv6 issue/
[11:00] <Treenaks> ajmitch_: my problem was that autoconfig didn't work
[11:00] <ajmitch_> right
[12:05] <tseng> ajmitch_: the kubuntu guys were supposed to review that
[12:05] <tseng> ajmitch_: and mark it off
[12:07] <Lathiat> tseng: beagle is love, you rock
[12:08] <ogra> tseng, how is the mono ststus ?
[12:09] <ogra> tseng, dh_clidebs still has issues, even with monodis in place
[12:09] <tseng> it always had issues
[12:09] <ogra> it seems to pick the wrong path to the binary
[12:09] <tseng> is it just as bad?
[12:10] <ogra> nope, its just a scripting issue now
[12:10] <tseng> k
[12:10] <tseng> i am running low on free time :(
[12:11] <Lathiat> isnt everyone
[12:11] <ogra> any idea how to solve the monodis thing ? i'll do it, i prefer that you work on f-spot or monodevelop 0.6 instead of doing boring maintenance/bugfixing work :)
[12:11] <tseng> Lathiat: where's your name on breezy goals? :P
[12:12] <tseng> f-spot would be ready to go if libgnome-cil had the right deps
[12:12] <ogra> yeah, where is your nme on the MOTU wiki ?
[12:12] <tseng> stupid thing
[12:12] <ogra> oki, i'll try to sort that out today
[12:12] <Lathiat> next to one package with a slight build fix to be review :>
[12:12] <tseng> ogra: you rock
[12:12] <ogra> :)
[12:12] <Lathiat> i have other things im running short on time for, like avahi et al
[12:12] <tseng> i tried to re-autotool it yesterday bye daniels suggestion
[12:13] <tseng> it still has the script
[12:14] <tseng> mmm, merges
[12:14] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:14] <ogra> tseng, worst case i'll do a rm in the rules file ;)
[12:14] <ajmitch_> I've got a list of 300 packages or so to work on
[12:14] <tseng> ogra: yeah i should have done that last night
[12:14] <ajmitch_> shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks to get through 50% of them ;)
[12:15] <tseng> is that all :(
[12:15] <ogra> heh... but thats insane... i'll do it only if i cant find another solution
[12:15] <tseng> it will definately still miss things
[12:15] <ajmitch_> 93 report as cleanly patching, but that doesn't mean they build
[12:15] <tseng> but it should do *something* :P
[12:16] <tseng> mm dont break that
[12:16] <tseng> need it at work
[12:16] <Mithrandir> if somebody feels bored and has an amd64, nmap fails when logging to a file.
[12:19] <ogra> oh
[12:19] <ogra> but if i find the time i'll look at it
[12:21] <ajmitch_> qemu build failure, as expected..
[12:26] <schweeb> my head hurts
[12:27] <tseng> oh man
[12:27] <tseng> i knew that picture on planet gnome was mine
[12:27] <tseng> thats how he did it
[12:27] <ajmitch_> the luis pic?
[12:28] <tseng> yes
[12:28] <tseng> he actually flipped his other ear
[12:28] <tseng> mine was not a full shot
[12:28] <ajmitch_> yeah, I thought it was well done
[12:28] <tseng> i looked at it and thought, that cant be mine
[12:28] <tseng> he must make that face alot
[12:29] <tseng> and then i saw the incoming link to my site
[12:29] <tseng> i like my caption better
[12:29] <tseng> you know.. we should make that the planet ubuntu meme
[12:30] <tseng> do different edits on that photo
[12:30] <ajmitch_> qemu == crack
[12:30] <schweeb> which photo is this, tseng?
[12:30] <ajmitch_> error: unable to find a register to spill in class GENERAL_REGS
[12:31] <tseng> schweeb: http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=21
[12:31] <schweeb> tseng: got approved for membership yesterday
[12:32] <schweeb> hah
[12:33] <tseng> good job
[12:33] <tseng> time for shower -
[12:33] <tseng> then work
[12:34] <schweeb> curse these early meetings
[12:34] <schweeb> already did the shower, have to head to work right now
[12:34] <schweeb> (it's 6:38am here) :(
[12:34] <tseng> you dont need to attend meetings, you are the tape mover
[12:35] <schweeb> I'll move your tapes, bish
[12:45] <dholbach> re
[12:45] <ogra> hey dholbach
[12:45] <ogra> dholbach, why didnt you crosspost the announcement to all mailing lists ?
[12:46] <ogra> (i think its a good idea to carry the motu announcement to -users)
[12:46] <dholbach> hey ogra...yeah next time
[12:46] <ogra> s/announcement/announcements
[12:46] <ogra> :)
[12:47] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach  :)
[12:47] <ajmitch_> how are you?
[12:48] <dholbach> hey ajmitch_, thanks fine :-)
[12:48] <dholbach> you?
[12:49] <ajmitch_> I'm ok
[12:49] <ajmitch_> just fighting packages again :)
[12:51] <\sh> hola dholbach
[12:52] <dholbach> hellas \sh
[12:52] <\sh> do we have professional manpage creators? ,-)
[12:53] <dholbach> no... everybody should share the pain
[12:53] <dholbach> :-)
[12:53] <dholbach> i use the xml template given by dh-make
[12:53] <\sh> dholbach: me too :)
[12:53] <dholbach> and use the funky xsltproc line in it
[12:53] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:53] <ajmitch_> pain is of no matter to a MOTU..
[12:54] <ajmitch_> nasty
[12:54] <ajmitch_> libfltk1.1-dev having a debconf entry, asking if I'd like lowercase symlinks...
[12:54] <ajmitch_> *crack*
[12:56] <dholbach> nice :-)
[01:09] <chmj> rock!
[01:09] <ogra> yay
[01:09] <dholbach> :-)
[01:10] <ajmitch_> not very hard - hoary was rather quiet for me :)
[01:12] <dholbach> i wish i had more time... :-/
[01:13] <ajmitch_> hi darkaudit
[01:13] <dholbach> that's why i'm off now... doing some thesis stuff
[01:13] <darkaudit> mornin' :)
[01:13] <dholbach> hey darkaudit
[01:14] <dholbach> ajmitch_: then you're completely finished?
[01:14] <ajmitch_> yep
[01:14] <dholbach> ROCK!
[01:14] <dholbach> any exams to write? thesis? something still coming on?
[01:15] <ajmitch_> exams in june
[01:15] <ajmitch_> only 3
[01:15] <dholbach> i'll cross my fingers for you then
[01:17] <ajmitch_> yay, can just request sync
[01:21] <\sh> what was the url of the build reports?
[01:21] <tseng> go to packages.ubuntu.com and search your package
[01:21] <tseng> there is a link to the log
[01:21] <ajmitch_> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[01:23] <Lathiat> is there a list of the ongoing-merge packages needing intervention
[01:23] <Lathiat> can i have the list?
[01:23] <Lathiat> looking for stuff to tend to...
[01:24] <ajmitch_> then I'll have nothing to do ;)
[01:24] <ajmitch_> http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/source_list
[01:24] <ajmitch_> that list was made a couple of days ago - I haven't remade it yet
[01:28] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: so did you want a hand ?
[01:31] <ajmitch_> if you want to do something, go ahead
[01:31] <ajmitch_> a lot of these are basically check the diff & upload
[01:31] <ajmitch_> which is hard to do if you can't upload :)
[01:32] <ajmitch_> but there's plenty that don't apply cleanly
[01:32] <Lathiat> yarr
[01:32] <Lathiat> i'll scout around
[01:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: http://ajmitch.dhis.org/debuild/ubuntu/merge-tool/source_list.20050511.2325 for the latest
[01:34] <Lathiat> thanks
[01:34] <ajmitch_> recent autosyncs seem to have removed a few that were just lagged
[01:47] <ajmitch_> sleep time, got to get up for the meeting tomorrow if I can :)
[01:48] <\sh> hmmm....
[01:48] <\sh> postrm
[01:49] <\sh> purge or remove
[01:49] <\sh> if I'm doing a apt-get remove <package> which trigger is used...purge or remove? ,-)
[01:49] <ajmitch_> remove
[01:50] <ajmitch_> purge is when the --purge option is used
[01:51] <\sh> hmm...lemme read this in the manual ;)
[01:56] <\sh> i should go to another english course
[02:25] <jabra> gmorning linuxland
[02:25] <jabra> I am going to remake my packages so please don't review them until I am done
[02:27] <Nafallo> morning all
[02:40] <\sh> hi Nafallo
[02:57] <Nafallo> I should go to finish english so that I can be here 2100 CET :-P
[03:29] <\sh> 1900 utc meeting right?
[03:32] <ogra> nope, 21:00 CET
[03:32] <ogra> :)
[03:33] <willis> I'm interested in packaging up grecipe-manager (gourmet) but reading through the debian packaging docs, I'm not sure how to build the package as it's written in python and as such lacks make files etc...
[03:34] <\sh> ogra: don't confuse me now, i know that 1900 utc == 21:00 GMT+2 ;)
[03:34] <ogra> willis, i'm not sure, but i think its already packaged...
[03:35] <willis> i just checked and i can't find it via apt-cache, and it's listed in the universe wish list
[03:35] <ogra> willis, yes, but there are pending packages that wait for review
[03:36] <willis> ogra, ah ok
[03:36] <ogra> just diggin through the wiki pages...
[03:36] <Mithrandir> ogra: 21:00 CEST, not CET.
[03:36] <ogra> ouch
[03:37] <\sh> another SER build cycle
[03:37] <ogra> willis, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[03:37] <willis> ogra, ah i see, thanks anyway
[03:38] <ogra> willis, but tritium (MichaelRimbert) is short of time, i dont know if he will have the time to go on with it, probably you could take over his work (its even easier to learn packaging on a existing package)
[03:39] <ogra> willis, just talk to him if he's around :)
[03:39] <willis> ogra, cool thanks
[03:46] <willis> ogra, i just sent off an e-mail, inquiring about possibly relieving him of the package if he so wished
[03:47] <\sh> fifth build cycle for ser
[03:47] <jabra> I have a few errors I am not sure if they should stop me from submiting
[03:47] <jabra> E: getwifi_0.1-ubuntu1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[03:47] <jabra> W: getwifi: binary-without-manpage getwifi
[03:47] <jabra> E: getwifi: changelog-not-compressed-with-max-compression changelog.gz
[03:47] <jabra> however I did dh_installman for getwifi already
[03:48] <ivoks> ok... wifi-radar is ok now
[03:48] <ivoks> changelog should be compressed with max compression?
[03:49] <jabra> I dunno
[03:49] <\sh> jabra: you try to build breezy packages under hoary?
[03:49] <jabra> ya
[03:49] <\sh> jabra: thats the first error E: getwifi_0.1-ubuntu1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[03:49] <\sh> jabra: u need the breezy lintian
[03:49] <jabra> o ok
[03:50] <\sh> the second warning you can get rid of it, in writing a manpage :)
[03:50] <jabra> that would exaplin it
[03:50] <\sh> .
[03:50] <\sh> and it's a pain, yes ,)
[03:50] <jabra> \sh: I wrote the man page
[03:50] <jabra> I just did dh_installman
[03:50] <\sh> jabra: oh ok :)
[03:50] <jabra> but still has the warning
[03:50] <jabra> and wat about the third?
[03:50] <ivoks> \sh man pages are important?] 
[03:50] <jabra> heh
[03:51] <ivoks> i guess for GUI only apps, they are obsolete
[03:51] <jabra> umm no
[03:51] <jabra> what about things like gimp?
[03:51] <jabra> or xmms?
[03:51] <jabra> man pages are diffinatly important
[03:51] <ivoks> yeah, but there you have sitches
[03:52] <jabra> huh
[03:52] <ivoks> switches
[03:52] <ivoks> gimp -v
[03:52] <ivoks> etc
[03:52] <\sh> jabra: whats the name of the binary? it should match the name of the manpage...or vice versa is better ;)
[03:52] <jabra> manpage is getwifi.1
[03:52] <jabra> binary is getwifi
[03:53] <\sh> jabra: and u have a file named: <package>.manpages where u name the manpage?
[03:53] <ivoks> i will not write man pages :)
[03:53] <ivoks> not in this life :)
[03:53] <\sh> ivoks: docbook2man ;)
[03:53] <jabra> life to short for ya?
[03:53] <\sh> then u write docbook docs ;)
[03:53] <jabra> \sh: ya
[03:53] <ivoks> jabra I have better things to do :)
[03:54] <jabra> don't we all
[03:54] <ivoks> let's dump manpages
[03:54] <ivoks> vote :)
[03:54] <\sh> ivoks: ok...lets change manpages to womanpages
[03:54] <\sh> woman woman ;)
[03:54] <ivoks> i agree :)
[03:54] <ivoks> woman man
[03:54] <ivoks> :))
[03:55] <\sh> jabra: hmmm...
[03:55] <jabra> umm I changed sourlist to breezey update then install lintian and nothing new was found?
[03:55] <\sh> jabra: u r working in a chroot?
[03:55] <jabra> nope
[03:55] <ogra> willis, great :)
[03:56] <\sh> jabra: work in a chroot
[03:56] <\sh> jabra: it's better
[03:56] <jabra> ok
[03:56] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[03:56] <jabra> ya I know
[03:56] <ivoks> why didn't i think of that? :)
[03:57] <jabra> didn't read the man page?
[03:57] <ivoks> well... breezy is ok, not to unstable :)
[03:57] <\sh> ivoks: of what?
[03:57] <ivoks> \sh debootstrap
[03:57] <\sh> ivoks: dunno :)
[03:57] <ivoks> \sh me too :)
[03:57] <ivoks> i guess... car accident messed up my head
[03:57] <\sh> ivoks: i thought of it, cause I need a stable working system and an unstable playing system ;)
[03:58] <jabra> so I should use the chroot to install pacakges from breezy
[03:58] <\sh> cause there is no other machine to work with right now..only my beloved nc6000
[03:58] <ivoks> \sh i was allways playing and working on unstable, so this is isn't big deal to me :)
[03:58] <ivoks> \sh nice... i have i8600
[03:58] <jabra> I have 5150
[03:58] <\sh> ivoks: after gentoo I'll never install a unstable system on a production pc anymore :( i have enough of the sh*t
[03:59] <ivoks> \sh even stable gentoo is PITA
[03:59] <\sh> ivoks: ah no...:)
[03:59] <ivoks> i had it on laptop for couple of months
[03:59] <\sh> me too :)
[03:59] <\sh> for more then one year ;)
[03:59] <ivoks> compiling, flags, gcc... that;s nice
[03:59] <ivoks> but...
[04:00] <ivoks> i don't have time for compiling oofice whole night just to open it 2-3 times
[04:00] <ivoks> and if i use precompiled packages... then... what's the point?
[04:00] <jabra> \sh: so I should install breezy lintian in the chroot?
[04:01] <\sh> jabra: do a complete breezy bootstrap :)
[04:01] <ivoks> there are couple of nice things in gentoo that ubuntu should take and reuse... but i like debs, allways loved them, never looked anything other since switching to potato :)
[04:01] <\sh> jabra: so u can build packages without anything breaking
[04:01] <\sh> ivoks: e.g.
[04:01] <jabra> \sh: ya good idea
[04:02] <ivoks> \sh network scripts
[04:03] <ivoks> \sh gentoo has great network scripts... when i fiered wifi up, it allways connected to network I wanted
[04:03] <ivoks> without any arguments or switches
[04:03] <\sh> ivoks: u mean those /etc/conf.d/net and /etc/init.d/net.<netdev>N?
[04:03] <ivoks> \sh yeah
[04:03] <ivoks> that allways worked
[04:04] <ivoks> i pluged my lap in network without DHCP
[04:04] <ivoks> like that's problem for gentoo, it just found subnet that was in use and pick one free IP :)
[04:04] <\sh> ivoks: well...i think it has more to do with the "config" of debian network system
[04:05] <\sh> ivoks: with a little bit of work efford we will be able to do it like gentoo ...:)
[04:05] <ivoks> \sh i know...
[04:05] <ivoks> \sh let's try
[04:05] <ivoks> this mapping thing in ubuntu isn't working good
[04:05] <ivoks> i tried that same tool on debian... never worked ok
[04:06] <Lathiat> mapping thing?
[04:06] <ogra> network manager will solve it all
[04:06] <ivoks>  /etc/network/interfaces
[04:06] <ivoks> mapping hotplug
[04:06] <\sh> ivoks: same here...i have dsl at home and dhcp at work...and try to use guessnet in interfaces but it didn't work
[04:06] <ivoks> ogra i hope
[04:07] <ogra> oh, i thought yu talk about mapping the interfaces :)
[04:07] <ivoks> ogra we are
[04:07] <ogra> like /etc/iftab does
[04:07] <ivoks> no, not that :))
[04:07] <ogra> :)
[04:07] <jabra> E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/breezy.buildd
[04:07] <ogra> but anyway, MN will solve most of the issues with networkin
[04:08] <ogra> NM even
[04:08] <ivoks> ogra and that /etc/iftab
[04:08] <ivoks> it's worng at my laptop
[04:08] <ogra> is it ?
[04:08] <ivoks> i don't know were he get's idea that my wifi is eth1
[04:08] <ivoks> :)
[04:08] <ivoks> it's eth2
[04:08] <ogra> my wifi isnt even known by the kernel :)
[04:09] <ogra> but used as eth1
[04:09] <ivoks> poor ogra
[04:09] <ivoks> :)
[04:09] <ivoks> i have eth0 for lan
[04:09] <ogra> nah, it works, thats what counts
[04:09] <ivoks> eth1 for firewire
[04:09] <ivoks> and eth2 for wifi
[04:09] <ogra> i dont need to see vendor or product id
[04:10] <ivoks> then it works...
[04:10] <ivoks> i tought it doesn't
[04:10] <ivoks> ogra how do you meen kernel doesn't recognise it?
[04:10] <ogra> i cant see it in lspci or in hal.... but its there as a device...
[04:11] <ivoks> lspci says unknown device or just doesn't list it?
[04:11] <ogra> it doesnt list it
[04:11] <ivoks> try lsusb ;)
[04:11] <ogra> heh
[04:11] <\sh> broken laptop :) as big as ogras laptop is, no wonder ;)
[04:11] <ivoks> it isn't
[04:12] <ivoks> some laptops have wifi connected to usb
[04:12] <ogra> \sh, its not the internal card :)
[04:12] <ivoks> ah...
[04:12] <ivoks> ogra ;P
[04:12] <ogra> ivoks, its a pcmcia card that should show up either in hal or in lspci....
[04:12] <ivoks> ogra in lspci? not so sure...
[04:12] <ogra> but at least cardmgr creates the dvice for it
[04:12] <ogra> ivoks, yep
[04:12] <ivoks> but, i never connected anything to PCMCIA, so I don't know that right
[04:13] <ogra> ivoks, real pcmcia registers as pci
[04:13] <ogra> az least from a kernel POV
[04:13] <\sh> hmm...and what about my isdn pcmcia? it's not recognized by the kernel nor by isdn drivers
[04:14] <ogra> \sh, t could be a cardbus card (thats not showing up as pci)
[04:15] <\sh> ogra: xircom isdn adapter
[04:15] <ogra> hmm
[04:16] <zul> hey
[04:16] <ogra> hi zul
[04:17] <ivoks> strange...
[04:17] <ivoks> i can rename file with mv
[04:17] <ivoks> but i can't in nautilus
[04:18] <ivoks> Daan mp32ogg
[04:18] <Treenaks> wow, you must like bad quality sound
[04:19] <ivoks> it's not for mee :)
[04:20] <ivoks> i have problem... i have a lot of oggs, and my mp3 player can play only mp3 and wma
[04:20] <Treenaks> ivoks: you got the wrong player then :)
[04:20] <willis> ivoks, get an iRiver
[04:22] <ivoks> who will pay for it? :)
[04:23] <willis> good question
[04:23] <ivoks> ups...
[04:30] <ivoks> woho! time for paycheck :)
[04:34] <jabra> anyone know how to remove a debootstap chroot?
[04:35] <ivoks> exit
[04:35] <ivoks> :)
[04:35] <ogra> rm -r `
[04:35] <ivoks> just type exit
[04:35] <jabra> ok
[04:35] <ogra> ctrl-d
[04:35] <jabra> well if wanta kill the deboostp
[04:35] <jabra> can't remove dev
[04:36] <jabra> wow debootstrap and chroot, awesome
[05:00] <\sh> something is happening here in our company
[05:01] <ajmitch_> something good?
[05:03] <\sh> i don't know .. chief of engineering is very strange
[05:03] <ivoks> what?
[05:03] <ivoks> riots? :)
[05:03] <ivoks> fight?
[05:05] <\sh> nono
[05:09] <ajmitch_> oh my
[05:10] <ajmitch_> a debian package that has a patch for a CAN, that doesn't get applied :)
[05:10] <\sh> a CAN?
[05:11] <ajmitch_> security advisory
[05:11] <ajmitch_> the ubuntu package has the same patch, only applied correctly :)
[05:11] <\sh> hmm
[05:12] <Lathiat> haha whats this for
[05:12] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: grip
[05:22] <ivoks> bye guys
[05:29] <jabra> is when I get errors from debuild does all the text get swipped
[05:29] <jabra> and how cna I fix this
[05:29] <ajmitch_> ?
[05:29] <jabra> when I run debuild
[05:29] <jabra> and get warnings
[05:30] <jabra> if I ctrl+c I see no text anymore
[05:30] <jabra> not sure why
[05:30] <ajmitch_> aha, odd
[05:30] <ajmitch_> hi koke
[05:30] <koke> hi !
[05:30] <ajmitch_> jabra: typing reset at the command line should fix it
[05:33] <jabra> I will try
[05:33] <jabra> is there a fix though?
[05:38] <ajmitch_> I don't know, I've never seen that behaviour
[05:44] <\sh> hmmm
[05:44] <\sh> strange thing.
[05:44] <\sh> after debuild lintian says: wrong distribution in changes file
[05:44] <\sh> never saw this
[05:45] <\sh> and jabra is tru
[05:45] <\sh> e
[05:46] <ogra> \sh, seen koke on -devel ? lintian patch is on its way :)
[05:47] <koke> :D
[05:47] <\sh> ah sorry...didn't see :)
[05:47] <\sh> thx koke :)
[05:47] <\sh> jabra: there u r...wait for the patch :)
[05:48] <\sh> jabra: ah..and add a file "debian/manpages" with the "getwifi.1"
[05:48] <\sh> in it...so it's not complaining anymore about this
[05:49] <koke> argh, linda's info is nasty
[05:49] <ajmitch_> koke: I guess you'll have to find a willing sponsor for main uploads (hint: ogra) ;)
[05:49] <koke> if there's no translation you only get a "cdbs-debhelper-build-dep-too-old_l"
[05:50] <jabra> \sh: awesome
[05:50] <jabra> \sh: is does it build properly?
[05:50] <jabra> \sh: what was wrong?
[05:50] <ajmitch_> anyway, off to try & sleep again before the meeting :)
[05:50] <jabra> \sh: is my comp fucz0red
[05:50] <\sh> jabra: linitian bug for "unknown distribution" ;)
[05:50] <jabra> heh
[05:50] <\sh> jabra: no...:)
[05:50] <jabra> heh
[05:51] <jabra> k
[05:51] <\sh> missing manpages file
[05:51] <jabra> I did dh_installman though?
[05:51] <koke> ajmitch_: lintian_1.23.6ubuntu2_source.changes REJECTED :)
[05:51] <ogra> oops
[05:51] <ogra> koke, put it up somewhere....
[05:52] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/
[05:52] <\sh> jabra: doesn't matter :) u need to have it in debian/manpages
[05:52] <\sh> jabra: installman doesn't know anything about your manpage at all ;)
[05:52] <jabra> ok
[05:52] <jabra> so I add the file to manpage by hand?
[05:53] <\sh> vi debian/manpages <I>getwifi.1<ESC><Z><Z>
[05:53] <jabra> ya
[05:53] <jabra> heh
[05:53] <ogra> koke, i get a 404 on the .changes
[05:53] <jabra> well if you put it that way
[05:54] <\sh> and this strange "changelog compression bla" stuff...never saw it before
[05:54] <jabra> heh
[05:54] <jabra> ya I know
[05:54] <ogra> koke, hmm, together with a 403 (forbidden)
[05:55] <\sh> ok...time to prepare myself to go home
[05:55] <koke> ogra: only the .changes I guess
[05:55] <jabra> \sh: should I rebuild or wait becuase I will need to fix the other warnrings /errors?
[05:55] <ogra> yep
[05:55] <koke> it's mini-dinstall weirdness
[05:55] <\sh> jabra: wait for the fix :)
[05:55] <jabra> ok
[05:55] <jabra> so that will be in breezy later today?
[05:56] <jabra> or tomorrow?
[05:56] <koke> chown_changes_files
[05:56] <koke>               Determines if the changes files should be made unreadable by others. This is enabled by default, and is a good  thing,  since
[05:56] <koke>               somebody else could unexpectedly upload your package. Think carefully before changing this.
[05:56] <ogra> hrm
[05:56] <koke> I think I should change this, since I upload by scp
[05:56] <ogra> yep...
[05:58] <koke> all readable now :D
[06:01] <ogra> uploaded
[06:03] <koke> someone has compiled NetworkManager??
[06:03] <koke> NetworkManagerDbus.c:1034: error: 'DBUS_INTERFACE_DBUS' undeclared (first use in this function)
[06:04] <ogra> koke, thoms baby
[06:04] <ogra> koke, but dbus is broken atm
[06:04] <ogra> (at least thats what i heard)
[06:05] <koke> http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ I see
[06:05] <koke> but he has 0.3, and I am trying with 0.4
[06:06] <koke> I remember now... that's why I'm using netapplet :D
[06:06] <ogra> thom is also working on 0.4 afaik... this packages are old
[06:06] <koke> well, have to go now
[06:06] <koke> see you at meeting
[06:06] <ogra> <ep
[06:06] <ogra> yep
[06:07] <koke> btw, do you know http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/ ??
[06:07] <koke> it looks nice but it's ruby-gnome
[06:07] <Amaranth> it's in universe
[06:07] <koke> I'm not sure how to package that :D
[06:07] <koke> ouch!
[06:08] <Amaranth> but it requires ruby-gnome things that aren't in ubuntu
[06:08] <Amaranth> i got them from debian so i could try it out
[06:08] <koke> but it works??
[06:08] <Amaranth> yeah, it works
[06:10] <koke> err, the deps are in ubuntu, but in a lower version
[06:10] <koke> a sync would be enough??
[06:11] <diamond> lo folks
[06:12] <Amaranth> koke: yeah, it should be
[06:12] <Amaranth> koke: ubuntu has 0.11 versions, gnome-art needs 0.12 versions
[06:13] <koke> Amaranth: are you sure it *really* needs them?? ;)
[06:13] <koke> (just trying)
[06:14] <Amaranth> koke: No clue, grab the source and change the dependencies
[06:14] <koke> ok
[06:14] <koke> have to go *now*
[06:14] <koke> bye
[06:21] <thom> s/old/ancient/, wrt NM
[06:31] <dholbach> re
[06:43] <\sh> re
[07:28] <dholbach> whiprush: something with your signed key went wrong
[07:28] <dholbach> gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit ELG-E key, ID 64AB0B32, created 2003-06-17
[07:28] <dholbach>       "Matthias Urlichs <smurf@smurf.noris.de>"
[07:28] <dholbach> gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available
[07:28] <whiprush> from the other day?
[07:29] <dholbach> that's what i got
[07:29] <dholbach> from today
[07:29] <whiprush> yeah
[07:29] <whiprush> I know, I messed it up at UDU.
[07:29] <dholbach>  igot the mail some minutes ago
[07:29] <dholbach> ah no
[07:29] <dholbach> apr 30
[07:29] <dholbach> strange
[07:29] <dholbach> i received it today
[07:29] <dholbach> funny :-)
[07:29] <whiprush> yeah I totally messed up the script right after the key signing.
[07:29] <whiprush> and I spammed everyone with my newbness.
[07:30] <dholbach> don't worry
[07:30] <whiprush> I'm doing it right sometime today though
[07:30] <dholbach> just thought: this one must be ok
[07:30] <dholbach> brb
[07:32] <herve> hi!
[07:32] <jabra> who is going to fix the linitian bug that I found
[07:34] <ogra> jabra, already fixed
[07:34] <ogra> jabra, (if you mean the wrong distribution warning)
[07:35] <jabra> yep
[07:35] <jabra> awesome
[07:35] <jabra> thanks
[07:35] <jabra> any idea about the gzip error?
[07:36] <ogra> jabra, thank koke for it ;)
[07:36] <jabra> koke thanks though your not online
[07:40] <jabra> ogra: not seeing an update in breezy?
[07:42] <siretart> hi
[07:44] <ogra> jabra, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-May/004539.html
[07:44] <jabra> ok cool thanks
[07:57] <dholbach> hey siretart
[07:57] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[07:57] <siretart> meeting in an hour, right?
[07:58] <dholbach> yes
[07:58] <dholbach> ogra, tseng: <mjg59> It (beagle) doesn't even depend on mono, which isn't a great start :)
[08:01] <Treenaks> dholbach: that's nothing.. if you DO have mono, it won't start because of:
[08:01] <Treenaks> Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libMonoPosixHelper.so
[08:01] <dholbach> ah... yes
[08:05] <ogra> dholbach, but you've seen my answer to it ?
[08:05] <dholbach> yeah, but i'd fix it manually
[08:05] <dholbach> even if dh_whatever doesnt work
[08:06] <ogra> mono's build process is fucked, the debhelper doesnt work because essential binary parts are missing in mono itself.... there is nothing to fix except mono
[08:07] <dholbach> ok
[08:07] <ogra> after that the debhelper will work again :)
[08:08] <\sh> back from relaxing
[08:10] <ivoks> going to fix some HOWTOs on wiki :)
[08:14] <Treenaks> ok.. that's a "no" for suspend support..
[08:14] <Treenaks> *sigh*
[08:15] <ivoks> there
[08:15] <ivoks> Treenaks ?
[08:16] <ivoks> look what I have found
[08:16] <Treenaks> ivoks: oh.. LaptopSupport
[08:16] <ivoks> file is: README
[08:16] <ivoks> and it says:
[08:16] <ivoks> Installing Red Hat Triteal CDE for Linux is easy.
[08:16] <ivoks> the ideal installation environment would be a working Red Hat 4.2
[08:16] <ivoks> 4.2 :)
[08:17] <ivoks> Treenaks what laptop?
[08:17] <Treenaks> ivoks: Acer Aspire 1680
[08:17] <Treenaks> (1684 actually)
[08:18] <\sh> hahahha
[08:18] <\sh> redhat 4.2?
[08:18] <ivoks> yeah :)
[08:18] <abarbaccia> hey guys - i think something is wrong with the packaging of the kernels - my synaptic just upgraded me to a non-smp kernel - when i have the smp kernel packages installed
[08:18] <\sh> that was before glibc transistion ;)
[08:18] <ivoks> i know
[08:18] <ivoks> you get gcc 2.7 with it :)
[08:20] <\sh> i think they mean 7.2
[08:20] <abarbaccia> anybody here know what im talking about?
[08:20] <ivoks> nope
[08:20] <ivoks> ano domini 1997 :)
[08:20] <ivoks> May 1997
[08:21] <ivoks> Treenaks and where does suspend fails?
[08:21] <crimsun> abarbaccia: err...?
[08:22] <Treenaks> ivoks: it suspend-to-ram fine, but it doesn't wake up
[08:22] <ivoks> Treenaks ipw2200?
[08:23] <ivoks> nvidia?
[08:23] <ivoks> are you using nvidia driver?
[08:23] <Treenaks> ivoks: ipw2200, ati
[08:23] <ivoks> Treenaks edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:23] <ivoks> Treenaks and comment out SAVE_VBE_STATE
[08:23] <Treenaks> ivoks: yeah.. but it should work by default :)
[08:24] <Treenaks> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaptopTesting
[08:24] <ivoks> Treenaks and VBESTATE
[08:24] <ivoks> Treenaks it works out of the box
[08:24] <ivoks> Treenaks you don't have out of the box machine, you installated fglrx
[08:24] <Treenaks> ivoks: no, I have to edit a config file. so it doesn't work out of the box.
[08:24] <ivoks> did you install fglrx?
[08:25] <abarbaccia> crimsun, i have the SMP kernel and header packages installed  - the container packages which are susposed to upgrade to an smp kernel - except they just installed a non-smp kernel
[08:25] <Treenaks> ivoks: yes, but I'm not using it atm
[08:25] <ivoks> Treenaks belive me...
[08:25] <ivoks> Treenaks it worked for me, untill i installed nvidia drivers
[08:26] <ivoks> then same simptomes like yours
[08:26] <Treenaks> ivoks: it should still work :)
[08:26] <Treenaks> ivoks: imho
[08:26] <ivoks> Treenaks no
[08:26] <ivoks> Treenaks nvidia drivers don't support vbe
[08:26] <ivoks> i think ATIs driver support even less
[08:26] <Treenaks> ivoks: you don't understand me. it SHOULD work. that it doesn't is a grave bug.
[08:27] <ivoks> Treenaks write to nvidia
[08:27] <crimsun> abarbaccia: which, linux-meta? linux-686?
[08:27] <Treenaks> ivoks: won't help, I have ati ;)
[08:27] <ivoks> Treenaks than write to ATI
[08:27] <Treenaks> ivoks: *sigh*
[08:27] <whiprush> dholbach: around still?
[08:28] <dholbach> whiprush: yes
[08:29] <Treenaks> ivoks: ok, another problem: I have a SD card reader, which is in "ATA mode" (according to TI docs, and my investigations)
[08:29] <Treenaks> ivoks: (it's a PCI device)
[08:29] <Treenaks> ivoks: who do I poke to make THAT work
[08:29] <ivoks> no!!! who reviewd wifi-radar? :)
[08:30] <abarbaccia> yes
[08:30] <abarbaccia> crimsun, its linux-686-smp
[08:30] <ivoks> .diff.gz doesn't match what is listed in .dsc?
[08:31] <herve> md5sum mismatch?
[08:31] <ivoks> could be
[08:31] <whiprush> dholbach: ok, you should receive the proper key thinger from me any second now
[08:31] <crimsun> abarbaccia: what version is now installed?
[08:31] <whiprush> I think I got it right this time
[08:31] <dholbach> whiprush: rock
[08:31] <whiprush> but I'm testing on you first. :)
[08:31] <whiprush> before I spam the planet.
[08:33] <abarbaccia> crimsun, i think i found it - i had linux 386 container package still installed - it probably saw that one first and upgraded accordingly
[08:34] <ivoks> wait a second...
[08:34] <ivoks> i changed source of wifi-radar
[08:34] <dholbach> ivoks: try to build the source package again, if you have a non-working clean target in debian/rules it may have been spammed
[08:34] <ivoks> i can't build source couse there is no source
[08:35] <ivoks> it's only two-three files
[08:35] <whiprush> dholbach: it come out right?
[08:35] <ivoks> it's ascript
[08:35] <tritium> greetings, friends
[08:35] <dholbach> hey tritium
[08:35] <dholbach> whiprush: just a sec
[08:35] <tritium> Hi dholbach, how is your day?
[08:35] <\sh> ohh...so late...have to shower before the meeting starts ;) have to smell fresh, so everyone knows that i'm alive ;)
[08:35] <dholbach> busy, but ok
[08:35] <dholbach> hows yours?
[08:36] <tritium> Same.
[08:36] <ivoks> herve could you help me out a bit?
[08:37] <ivoks> herve if I change program, what should I provide? original source with diff or changed source?
[08:38] <dholbach> whiprush: worked perfectly fine
[08:38] <tritium> ogra, I got an email from Marin Monroe re: gourmet
[08:39] <ogra> tritium, yep...
[08:39] <ogra> tritium, he attempted to package it, i told him to rather contact you about it...
[08:39] <jabra> E: getwifi: changelog-not-compressed-with-max-compression changelog.gz
[08:39] <ivoks> anyone? :) it's a simple question :)
[08:39] <jabra> how would I fix that
[08:39] <tritium> ogra, okay, thanks.  Do you have a preference on how I respond?
[08:39] <whiprush> dholbach: thanks!
[08:40] <abarbaccia> crimsun, problem solved
[08:40] <ogra> tritium, as you like :)
[08:40] <ivoks> jabra gzip -9
[08:40] <jabra> ok cool
[08:40] <jabra> thanks
[08:40] <tritium> ogra, okay, thank you.  I'll give it some thought before responding to him.
[08:40] <tritium> Do you recall his nick?
[08:40] <jabra> ivoks: deb diff.gz dsc orig
[08:41] <ivoks> jabra ?
[08:41] <jabra> ivoks: ?
[08:41] <\sh> ivoks: its an debhelper script problem...:)
[08:41] <ivoks> this with gzip?
[08:42] <jabra> that is the answer to your question
[08:42] <ivoks> jabra ah.. so original source with diff?
[08:42] <jabra> deb, diff.gz, dsc, orig.tar.gz
[08:43] <jabra> ivoks: ok that solved that error for me
[08:43] <ivoks> ok.. but in my dsc is the source I changed (wifi-radar_1.9.3-0ubuntu1.tar.gz) not original (wifi-radar-1.9.3.tar.gz)
[08:43] <ivoks> how do I fix that?
[08:44] <jabra> mv it and recreate it
[08:44] <ivoks> that shouldn't be done manually...
[08:45] <jabra> how should it be done?
[08:45] <\sh> ivoks: jepp...in hoary and before an update it was working in breezy and linitian
[08:45] <ivoks> maybe it's too late and I don't understand you guys...
[08:45] <ivoks> :)
[08:46] <\sh> ivoks: linitian complains about less compression for gzip when gzipping changelog ;)
[08:47] <\sh> ivoks: it didn't do this in hoary or in breezy, well yesterday it didn't complain for my packages here
[08:47] <jabra> huh
[08:50] <\sh> ok forget about showering
[08:50] <Nafallo> what channel for the meeting?
[08:50] <\sh> standard: #ubuntu-meeting
[08:50] <Nafallo> hi btw :-)
[08:50] <ogra> \sh, is it you who smells this strong here in the room ?
[08:51] <Nafallo> \sh: k, thx :-)
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: well...not directly me...but your and my feet?
[08:51] <ogra> lol
[08:51] <ivoks> ok..
[08:51] <ivoks> is it better now? :)
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: read http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59459?
[08:51] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[08:52] <ivoks> i'll never package again :)
[08:52] <\sh> ivoks: now u need an own repository :) ever played with mini-dinstall? ,-)
[08:52] <\sh> oh coffee is needed...
[08:53] <Nafallo> \sh: coffeine, nice idea...
[08:53] <ivoks> \sh never, but here we go :)
[08:57] <\sh> ivoks: if it helps: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalAptGetRepositories
[08:59] <herve> ivoks, you still need me?
[08:59] <herve> no way to cook without being disturbed here :-)
[08:59] <\sh> herve: i hope no frogs?
[08:59] <herve> \sh, don't be insultive :-)
[08:59] <\sh> herve: sorry :) wasn't meant to be personal :)
[09:03] <ivoks> herve :)
[09:03] <ivoks> herve well, maybe not
[09:03] <ivoks> the way I see it now, in .dsc should be upstream source and diff to my source?
[09:03] <ivoks> right?
[09:04] <herve> ?
[09:04] <herve> dsc it automatically built, why do you wonder?
[09:05] <ivoks> couse my package was rejected couse of dsc
[09:05] <herve> you must have bypassed something else
[09:05] <herve> can I get that pacakge?
[09:06] <ivoks> in my dsc was only .tar.gz
[09:06] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[09:06] <herve> *fear*
[09:07] <koke> meeting here??
[09:07] <herve> you mean a debian native package?
[09:07] <herve> meeting...
[09:07] <ivoks> ?
[09:07] <herve> koke, #ubuntu-meeting
[09:09] <ivoks> damn...
[09:09] <koke> hey, it seems gnome-art works with the avaliable libglade2-ruby and libgconf2-ruby versions in breezy
[09:09] <koke> btw, it's a painful program
[09:10] <herve> ivoks, point me to your source package
[09:10] <koke> click on backgrounds and it'll start downloading 544 backgrounds without a fuckin' cancel button!!
[09:10] <ivoks> herve http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/wifi-radar_1.9.3-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[09:10] <herve> koke, young app?
[09:10] <ivoks> herve this isn't upstreem source, i changed couple of things in it
[09:11] <koke> herve: sure :)
[09:11] <herve> ivoks, source package means tgz+diff.gz+dsc :-)
[09:11] <ivoks> herve ok
[09:11] <ivoks> herve tgz should be upstream?
[09:11] <koke> I'll try to learn some ruby to patch it :)
[09:11] <herve> ivoks, sure
[09:11] <herve> and debian dir + patches in the diff.gz
[09:11] <ivoks> herve and diff is changes
[09:11] <herve> then debian source control, dsc
[09:12] <ivoks> i have all that
[09:12] <ivoks> but
[09:12] <ivoks> dpkg-buildpackage
[09:12] <ivoks> creates dsc and changes with list of files
[09:12] <ivoks> on that list is my source, not upstream
[09:13] <herve> are you the upstream author?
[09:13] <ivoks> herve http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ you have all that files
[09:13] <ivoks> herve no
[09:13] <herve> *great fear*
[09:13] <herve> upstream provides a debian dir?
[09:13] <ivoks> no
[09:13] <ivoks> :)
[09:13] <herve> ok I get the problem
[09:14] <ivoks> it's simple program, doesn't even have compile... it's a script
[09:14] <jabra> mine is too
[09:14] <herve> how a debian dir got into the tarball if upstream doesn't provide it... :-)
[09:14] <ivoks> i created it :)
[09:14] <herve> jabra, a native package?
[09:14] <ivoks> herve that's what I'm saying
[09:14] <jabra> it is a script
[09:14] <ivoks> herve tar.gz is my source, not upstream
[09:14] <herve> ivoks, if you put the debian dir into it, you act as the upstream author and made it a native package
[09:15] <ivoks> maybe i did something wrong?
[09:15] <herve> which are two bad things
[09:15] <ivoks> so, how do I create deb from simple source?
[09:16] <ivoks> i created debian dir in that source and build a package
[09:16] <herve> before we started
[09:16] <herve> I made the same mistake with my first package :-)
[09:16] <jabra> heh
[09:16] <ivoks> ok, so this is normal :)
[09:16] <jabra> ya I am going through it too
[09:16] <herve> ivoks, but no tarball existed in the parent directory before you packaged it?
[09:16] <ivoks> herve is there a howto on MOTU wiki?
[09:17] <herve> howto about?
[09:17] <jabra> there is a debian page
[09:17] <ivoks> herve there was wifi-radar-1.9.3.tar.gz
[09:17] <jabra> http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html
[09:17] <ivoks> that's upstream source
[09:17] <herve> ivoks, ok the same mistake as mine
[09:17] <herve> ivoks, did you followed some documentation?
[09:17] <ivoks> debian-policy, but...
[09:17] <herve> ho my...
[09:18] <ivoks> it's a long article :)
[09:18] <jabra> ya
[09:18] <herve> sure :-)
[09:18] <jabra> herve: is there a way to script the creating of a package?
[09:18] <ivoks> jabra lol
[09:18] <jabra> if it isn't even compiled
[09:18] <ivoks> jabra debian/rules?
[09:18] <herve> jabra, there are already a billion front ends :-)
[09:18] <herve> jabra, ha, you mean debianizing sources?
[09:18] <jabra> ya
[09:19] <ivoks> that's what I'm trying to do :)
[09:19] <herve> ivoks, first thing, there's a nice new maintainer's guide at debian's
[09:19] <jabra> ya I am too
[09:19] <herve> jabra, dh-make package
[09:19] <jabra> yep
[09:19] <herve> ivoks, now what you did wrong
[09:19] <herve> ivoks, tarballs of debian source package have a naming scheme
[09:19] <herve> your know, the orig.tar.gz
[09:19] <ivoks> .orig.tar.gz
[09:20] <herve> since dpkg-buildpackage didn't find it
[09:20] <ivoks> i know
[09:20] <ivoks> ah... there's the problem
[09:20] <herve> it thought the debianized sources and the upstream sources are the same
[09:20] <herve> so it packaged the tarball with no diff
[09:20] <herve> since it had nothing to diff with
[09:20] <ivoks> that's true
[09:21] <herve> renaming the upstream tarball is normal and necessary
[09:21] <herve> what's wrong is altering its contents :-)
[09:21] <jabra> damn it still getting  bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[09:21] <ivoks> ok..
[09:21] <ivoks> so... i rename archive to wifi-radar-1.9.3.orig.tar.gz
[09:21] <ivoks> unpack it
[09:22] <ivoks> do my stuff in that dir and run dpkg-buildpackage
[09:22] <ivoks> ?
[09:22] <herve> jabra, you're sure you have the new lintian package?
[09:22] <jabra> yep
[09:22] <jabra> just installed it
[09:22] <herve> ivoks, wait
[09:22] <jabra> in the chroot
[09:22] <jabra> it is in my path
[09:22] <ivoks> waiting :)
[09:23] <herve> ivoks, it should be wifi-radar_1.9.3.orig.tar.gz
[09:23] <ivoks> i tought so
[09:23] <herve> note the underscore separating the name from the version
[09:23] <ivoks> i know
[09:24] <ivoks> dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)
[09:24] <jabra> E: getwifi_0.1.4-ubuntu1_i386.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file breezy
[09:24] <jabra> W: getwifi: binary-without-manpage getwifi
[09:24] <jabra> I have done dh_installman ./getwifi.1
[09:24] <jabra> using new lintian
[09:25] <koke> I'm going to upload gnome-art with lower deps, any comments before??
[09:25] <ivoks> herve thanks a lot, this is ok now
[09:25] <herve> ivoks, because dpkg-buildpackage detects it's a new revision
[09:25] <herve> not a new upstream
[09:25] <ivoks> yeah... thanks
[09:25] <herve> koke, just be sure of what you do and open a wishlist on the bts
[09:26] <herve> now I wanted to tell you to use debuild
[09:26] <herve> but I don't remember why :-)
[09:26] <ivoks> i tought manuall diff isn't the way to do it :)
[09:26] <herve> not just because it's shorter to type :)-
[09:26] <jabra> what is the difference between debuild and dpkg -buildpackage?
[09:27] <herve> ivoks, packaging masters know how to create a package using two fingers and a toothpick :-)
[09:27] <ivoks> :)
[09:27] <herve> ok, maybe not the toothpick!
[09:27] <ivoks> it's easy
[09:27] <ivoks> debian did great job with dpkg and deb
[09:27] <herve> jabra, you usually need to use fakeroot in front of dpkg-bp
[09:27] <jabra> ok
[09:27] <ivoks> yeah
[09:27] <jabra> fakeroot
[09:28] <jabra> ok
[09:28] <ivoks> or sudo :)
[09:28] <herve> see debuild as an alias to "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage"
[09:28] <herve> so it's *way* shorter to type :-)
[09:28] <ivoks> hm... but:
[09:28] <herve> and I thing the post compile logs are easier to read
[09:28] <ivoks> debuild needs to be run as superuser to function properly.
[09:28] <Mithrandir> it also logs what it does.
[09:28] <Mithrandir> ivoks: no, it does not.
[09:28] <herve> or the way they are generated
[09:28] <ivoks> Mithrandir i'm just reading man :)
[09:28] <herve> Mithrandir, thanks, I forgot dpkg-bp logs in the void :-)
[09:29] <ivoks>  The third possible method is to have debuild installed as setuid  root
[09:29] <herve> ivoks, packaging as root is *hell*
[09:29] <herve> I'm not even sure the buildds do
[09:29] <Mithrandir> ivoks: fakeroot gives you enough.
[09:29] <Mithrandir> herve: they use fakeroot
[09:29] <ivoks> Mithrandir i now
[09:29] <herve> thanks again :)
[09:30] <Mithrandir> ivoks: anyhow, the man page is wrong.  It does not need to be run as the superuser.
[09:30] <ivoks> Mithrandir i'll do my next package with debuild
[09:30] <herve> ivoks, better, you'll start using debuild from NOW!
[09:30] <herve> :-)
[09:30] <ivoks> :)
[09:31] <ivoks> there. you can check out my package at http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[09:31] <ivoks> i hope everything is right now :/
[09:32] <herve> trust me, I'll tell you what's wrong ;-)
[09:32] <ivoks> what or when? :)
[09:33] <herve> both!
[09:33] <ivoks> i'm sure my debian/rules isn't too nice
[09:33] <ivoks> but, this is my first :)
[09:33] <herve> you should have seen mine :-)
[09:33] <jabra> I don't understand why the manpage isn't being accepted
[09:33] <\sh> herve: what was too "technical"?
[09:33] <ivoks> herve I have a lot of cp and gzip :)
[09:33] <herve> \sh, c++ and all those lib things
[09:34] <herve> anyway, I won't have time for that transition
[09:35] <\sh> herve: come on :) I'm not the compiler freak at all...but what doko wrote on the wikipage was understandable..and after dealing with rh5 i'm not really concerned :)
[09:35] <dholbach> we will miss you, herve - but do unterstand
[09:35] <ivoks> lol lilo :)
[09:36] <herve> \sh, haven't read anything on the wiki lately, which page?
[09:36] <herve> dholbach, sad now I have upload rights
[09:36] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[09:36] <herve> but I'll give a hand here and then and help uploading
[09:36] <dholbach> herve: there will be other times :-)
[09:37] <herve> but my project desperately needs me
[09:37] <abarbaccia> Anybody want to explain to me how i can package somethign for breezy - like the new version of GAIM or whatever
[09:37] <ivoks> herve what are you working on?
[09:37] <herve> abarbaccia, gaim is in the main archive, not really a motu task
[09:37] <abarbaccia> damn
[09:37] <\sh> but for learning very good :)
[09:37] <\sh> apt-get source gaim :)
[09:38] <dholbach> herve: i hope you don't beat yourself up for it
[09:38] <abarbaccia> just when i thought i could pursue an easy task to teach myself
[09:38] <abarbaccia> alright - yey
[09:38] <herve> ivoks, a revolutionary zope framework, with all the rotten zope concepts in the trashcan
[09:38] <ajmitch_> ooh, sounds interesting
[09:38] <ivoks> heh
[09:38] <herve> dholbach, believe me, I feel sad couldn't be more helpful
[09:38] <abarbaccia> \sh - this is the old source tho
[09:38] <ivoks> herve nice
[09:38] <dholbach> herve: don't, try not to :-)
[09:38] <jabra> ok I am going to upload with theses errors maybe someone give me some idea how to fix them
[09:38] <dholbach> herve: you did quite a lot already
[09:38] <ivoks> herve i wish you luck
[09:38] <jabra> herve: thanks for the help
[09:39] <herve> ajmitch_, you tell that everytime but you always give a handful of help!
[09:40] <dholbach> herve: exactly! :-)
[09:41] <ivoks> ajmitch_ thank god, my day is over :)
[09:41] <\sh> hmmm...
[09:41] <ajmitch_> ivoks: I got about 1-2 hours sleep ;)
[09:41] <\sh> serious word i have to talk with mr. riddell
[09:41] <ivoks> ajmitch_ but you are sorry for not giving more of your self :)
[09:42] <ivoks> ajmitch_ that's.... beautifull
[09:42] <ivoks> ;)
[09:42] <Riddell> qui? moi?
[09:42] <ajmitch_> haha
[09:42] <herve> ivoks, your package is 90% but I'll have a few corrections to tell you later
[09:42] <herve> ivoks, read the new maintainer's guide for now
[09:42] <ivoks> herve ok
[09:42] <herve> Riddell, non le pape :-)
[09:42] <ivoks> herve but, it could go to breezy? :)
[09:43] <herve> after the changes I have in mind, I would sign it, yes :-)
[09:43] <ivoks> :))
[09:44] <ivoks> i'm so proud :)
[09:44] <jabra> herve: can you review mine?
[09:44] <herve> not tonight
[09:44] <herve> I have two weeks of diff to review in my project
[09:44] <herve> and it's evolving fast!
[09:44] <jabra> damn
[09:45] <abarbaccia> \sh, when i told it to download the source it downloaded the old source - i wanted the new source
[09:47] <dholbach> bye ajmitch_
[09:47] <ivoks> bye
[09:49] <lamont> motu-tachi: any objections to be doing a mass-give-back of everything that's currently building (==failed)
[09:49] <dholbach> lamont: don't think so
[09:53] <ivoks> Maintainer: Josip Rodin <joy-mg@debian.org>
[09:53] <ivoks> hehe
[09:53] <ivoks> he's from croatia too :)
[09:54] <jabra> hehe
[09:59] <herve> anyone know about "croque-monsieur"? I'm searching the english name
[09:59] <herve> yes, I'm definitely OT :-)
[10:00] <siretart> does anyone know a cdbs managed package with an .desktop file? I want to look at an example for adopting it in my package
[10:02] <dholbach> bluefish should be
[10:02] <dholbach> as most of the gnome stuff
[10:02] <dholbach> ask seb :-)
[10:02] <siretart> :)
[10:02] <herve> cdbs, another thing to do on my long list
[10:03] <crimsun> siretart: rhythmbox
[10:03] <dholbach> cdbs! rock! :-)
[10:03] <herve> it does the cxx transition? :-)
[10:03] <abarbaccia> so when is someone gonna upload gnome 2.12 to breezy?
[10:03] <ogra> i it exists ?
[10:03] <ogra> if even
[10:04] <dholbach> abarbaccia: be sure: seb128 is faster than everybody else
[10:04] <herve> abarbaccia, we don't even have 2.11
[10:04] <herve> since it's hardly released
[10:05] <herve> he even uploads before the official announcement is made :-)
[10:05] <ivoks> ol
[10:05] <ivoks> debian/rules:60: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?).
[10:05] <ivoks> :))
[10:06] <crimsun> cdbs2 should do the cxx transition plzkthx
[10:07] <abarbaccia> herve, so does that mean 2.12 isnt going to be in breezy?
[10:07] <dholbach> abarbaccia: it will
[10:07] <dholbach> but thats in october
[10:07] <herve> abarbaccia, I think you missed out one of the main goals of ubuntu :-)
[10:07] <jabra> is the changelog file the only place where you specify breezy
[10:07] <abarbaccia> oh wow - i didn't realize it was that far off
[10:07] <herve> abarbaccia, but gnome 2.12 is due in october
[10:07] <herve> late september at best
[10:07] <crimsun> jabra: yes
[10:07] <abarbaccia> right - ubuntu releases right after gnome does
[10:07] <ivoks> herve i think you will like it 100% now :)
[10:08] <herve> jabra, yes
[10:08] <herve> ivoks, as the songs goes, I can't get no satisfaction :-)
[10:08] <ivoks> it even has README.Debian :)
[10:09] <herve> ho that was not in my wishlist
[10:09] <ivoks> lol it's doc part is bigger then bin :)
[10:09] <jabra> getwifi (0.1.4-ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[10:09] <jabra> that look right
[10:09] <crimsun> no
[10:09] <crimsun> 0ubuntu1
[10:09] <ivoks> jabra i was told 0-ubuntu1
[10:09] <ivoks> jabra i was told 0ubuntu1
[10:09] <jabra> ok
[10:09] <lamont> new flood of build logs headed buildLogs-way
[10:09] <abarbaccia> what does the 0ubuntu1 mean ivoks
[10:09] <jabra> which
[10:09] <jabra> first or second ivoks ?
[10:10] <crimsun> -0ubuntu1
[10:10] <lamont> -0ubuntu1
[10:10] <ivoks> abarbaccia 0.1.4 upstream, first ubuntu revision
[10:10] <lamont> says that it's not from debian
[10:10] <ivoks> 0ubuntu1
[10:10] <jabra> ok cool
[10:10] <lamont> and creates the fun situation that if debian uploads a different orig.tar.gz, then... pain happens
[10:10] <herve> you make sure you're always lower than an hypothetical debian package
[10:11] <ivoks> abarbaccia am I right?
[10:11] <herve> lamont, well, tarballs are supposed to be prepared by upstream :-)
[10:11] <lamont> herve: uh, yeah.
[10:12] <ivoks> herve what was on your wishlist?
[10:12] <ivoks> man page?
[10:12] <abarbaccia> ivoks, i was asking you - i have no idea
[10:12] <abarbaccia> lol
[10:12] <ivoks> abarbaccia lol ok
[10:12] <lamont> herve: that's why we have gtkhtml3.2_3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1
[10:12] <herve> ivoks, learning cdbs
[10:13] <abarbaccia> anybody have a good project i can work on to learn how this process goes?
[10:13] <ivoks> herve ok
[10:13] <ivoks> herve have fun :)
[10:13] <crimsun> lamont: what about the locale packs for mozilla-firefox? ;)
[10:13] <lamont> herve: and I think I just unblocked all the cdbs-build-depending packages in main...
[10:14] <lamont> crimsun: you trying to make me cry?
[10:14] <herve> yes, just saw the announce
[10:14] <crimsun> lamont: not until the cxx transition!
[10:14] <lamont> herve: (bye-bye cdbs depend on type-handling)(
[10:16] <Amaranth> wtf is gtkhtml3.2_3.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1?
[10:16] <Amaranth> someone didn't know how to create a package?
[10:22] <siretart> do I need to make cdbs call dh_desktop?
[10:23] <siretart> my package does not do this, but dh_desktop(1) tells me that I have to install it anyway manually
[10:25] <crimsun> siretart: no, you don't, given that you include gnome.mk
[10:25] <crimsun> dh_desktop is called there
[10:25] <siretart> crimsun: my package is a python game, not a gnome package
[10:25] <crimsun> you are still responsible for putting $foo.desktop into $(pwd)/debian/$foo/usr/share/applications/$foo.desktop, though
[10:26] <crimsun> siretart: well in that case, yes, you must call dh_desktop explicitly
[10:26] <siretart> ok, will do
[10:26] <crimsun> which means you'll need to bump the b-d on debhelper to the correct version, etc.
[10:26] <ivoks> i created .desktop
[10:26] <ivoks> and copy it
[10:26] <crimsun> siretart: the older Hoary notes on the .desktop transition have hints
[10:28] <siretart> crimsun: will look for them
[10:29] <ogra> ajmitch_, ?
[10:30] <ivoks> ogra maybe he's sleeping
[10:30] <herve> surely :-)
[10:30] <ogra> yep
[10:30] <ivoks> after all, he didn't get much sleep these days :)
[10:30] <ivoks> his nose is on "h" :)
[10:31] <ivoks> poor keyboard :)
[10:31] <ivoks> so, anyone interested in RedHat CDE original CD? :)
[10:31] <ivoks> we are talking about CDE for RedHat 4.2 :)
[10:32] <jabra> why
[10:32] <ivoks> this is priceless :)
[10:32] <ivoks> antique
[10:32] <herve> no, I threw all this junk last weekend in my childroom
[10:32] <jabra> ok someone wanta review my packages feel free
[10:33] <ivoks> jabra url?
[10:33] <jabra> one sec
[10:33] <ivoks> jabra i can't do anything about them
[10:33] <jabra> wait are you a MOTU?
[10:33] <ivoks> jabra but, as a brother in agony, I can maybe help :)
[10:33] <jabra> heh true
[10:33] <jabra> plus the package is similar to wifi-radara
[10:34] <ivoks> psst... don't trust those MOTUs, what they know, really? They denied my package two times... ah...
[10:34] <ivoks> :)
[10:35] <jabra> heh
[10:35] <herve> I was told motus have kick rights on the channel, too :-)
[10:35] <ivoks> guys, NHF, it's a joke... i'm happy today :)
[10:35] <jabra> any MOTU have a minute  to review a package
[10:36] <ivoks> jabra me me me :)
[10:36] <jabra> um
[10:36] <ivoks> ok, i'm starting to upset some people
[10:37] <herve> no
[10:37] <herve> I think it's a good idea
[10:37] <jabra> ok
[10:37] <jabra> one sec
[10:37] <herve> but the risk is giving bad tips
[10:37] <jabra> herve: do you have a minutes?
[10:37] <ivoks> true
[10:37] <herve> s/tips/advices
[10:38] <ivoks> herve maybe I could say what I think here
[10:38] <herve> jabra, really not tonight
[10:38] <jabra> k
[10:38] <ivoks> and then someone would correct me
[10:38] <dholbach> ivoks: sure
[10:38] <ivoks> or... noone would correct me and we would have broken libc in ubuntu :)
[10:38] <jabra> dholbach: got a minute?
[10:39] <dholbach> sigh
[10:39] <dholbach> i just finished another meeting
[10:39] <jabra> ok
[10:39] <ivoks> jabra put in on the list...
[10:39] <herve> dholbach needs to work on his thesis anyway :-)
[10:39] <dholbach> i know
[10:39] <ivoks> jabra http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[10:39] <jabra> it's there I need to copy it over
[10:39] <dholbach> copy over to where?
[10:39] <jabra> to the server
[10:40] <ivoks> ups... there's two wifi-radars :)
[10:40] <jabra> huh?
[10:40] <ivoks> fixed :)
[10:40] <herve> do they detect each other? :-)
[10:41] <ivoks> herve they would, but they have same MAC, same ESSID and channel... so it's colision, not detection :)
[10:42] <herve> hey! your first dpatch!
[10:42] <herve> detecting if wifi-radar is already working
[10:42] <ivoks> :)
[10:42] <herve> s/working/running
[10:43] <ivoks> herve that's pointless
[10:43] <ivoks> wifi-radar sets connection and quits
[10:43] <ivoks> or was it a joke? :)
[10:44] <ivoks> it's 10:23PM...
[10:44] <herve> I don't know how it works
[10:44] <herve> but trust me I'll test its quality before approving its enteral :-)
[10:44] <dholbach> which package am i supposed to have a look at?
[10:44] <herve> s/enteral/entering ?
[10:44] <herve> mine! mine!
[10:44] <herve> :-)
[10:45] <ivoks> dholbach all? :)
[10:45] <dholbach> ivoks: if you only knew...
[10:45] <dholbach> jabra: how can i make you happy?
[10:45] <ivoks> dholbach start alphabeticly
[10:45] <ivoks> i'm Ante, so i'm first :)
[10:45] <aaaa> now I'm first :)-
[10:45] <dholbach> you make me cry
[10:45] <a0> :p
[10:45] <a0> :))
[10:45] <_herve> :-p
[10:46] <jabra> dholbach: umm wanta review my package after I upload it?
[10:46] <ivoks> i'm adult :)
[10:46] <dholbach> jabra: you asked me like 20 times by now, so... you finished it?
[10:46] <dholbach> :-)
[10:46] <jabra> we will see after you review it
[10:46] <dholbach> what was its name again?
[10:47] <jabra> getwifi
[10:47] <jabra> I am uploading a new version
[10:47] <dholbach> i can only judge the packaging since i dont have the hardware
[10:47] <jabra> ya that is fine
[10:47] <ivoks> getwifi?
[10:47] <jabra> ya
[10:47] <ivoks> omg... we are doing same thing :)
[10:47] <dholbach> tell me when it's up
[10:47] <jabra> it is something I have developed
[10:48] <jabra> it is in bash
[10:48] <jabra> ok
[10:48] <ivoks> herve wifi-radar works... i use it every day
[10:48] <jabra> ivoks: basically the difference is it doesn't need X
[10:48] <herve> jabra, i'll test it fonctionnally, I have wifi here
[10:48] <jabra> ok
[10:48] <jabra> sure
[10:48] <jabra> just added wep
[10:48] <herve> but review the packaging too, you need several agreements
[10:48] <ivoks> heh
[10:48] <jabra> ya
[10:49] <herve> ivoks, I'll test it anyway, I don't believe in "it's working on my computer!" :-)
[10:49] <dholbach> so is it up?
[10:49] <jabra> heh
[10:49] <ivoks> herve a lot of new ubuntu users are very happy with that package
[10:49] <jabra> ya don't trust the developers or maintainers test it
[10:49] <ivoks> even upstream said it will put it on webpage
[10:49] <dholbach> jabra: is it up?
[10:49] <herve> ivoks, I don't believe in polls either :-p
[10:50] <ivoks> i don't belive what i saw yestrday
[10:50] <ivoks> location: croatia
[10:51] <ivoks> sea side; people are swiming in the sea
[10:51] <ivoks> 20km northeast
[10:51] <ivoks> snow
[10:51] <herve> looks like the weather in grenoble :-)
[10:51] <ivoks> was there couple of month ago
[10:55] <ivoks> lot of new ubuntu users in croatia...
[10:56] <dholbach> jabra: is it up yet?
[10:56] <ivoks> yes
[10:56] <ivoks> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/ubuntu.html
[10:56] <jabra> ya
[10:56] <\sh> he did it :) nice
[10:57] <herve> ivoks, we're still waiting for your review of jabra's package :-p
[10:57] <ivoks> getwifi depends on wiretools-tools; however:
[10:57] <ivoks> damn :)
[10:57] <dholbach> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/getwifi_0.1.4.orig.tar.gz -> 404
[10:57] <herve> wireless-tools?
[10:58] <jabra> uploading one sec
[10:58] <ivoks> getwifi: Depends: wiretools-tools but it is not installable
[10:58] <ivoks> so... what now? :)
[10:58] <jabra> ya your right damn forgot that one
[10:59] <herve> ivoks, wireless-tools?
[10:59] <jabra> ya like iwconfig
[10:59] <ivoks> herve it's not my package :)))
[10:59] <herve> hu yes
[10:59] <herve> it's jabra's
[10:59] <dholbach> jabra: tell me when it's up, please
[10:59] <herve> sorry it's 23h here :-)
[11:00] <jabra> ok
[11:00] <ivoks> herve i know, same as here
[11:00] <jabra> k
[11:00] <dholbach> because you have my undivided attention for some minutes now ;-)
[11:00] <herve> same tz in croatia, wouldn't have thought
[11:00] <jabra> right
[11:00] <ivoks> herve what do u think croatia is? :)
[11:01] <ivoks> where
[11:01] <herve> ivoks, one hour ahead :-)
[11:01] <jabra> ok the orig is up
[11:01] <ivoks> hm
[11:01] <jabra> http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/ubuntu.html
[11:01] <ivoks> jabra it isn't good
[11:01] <jabra> getwifi
[11:02] <dholbach> jabra: looking at it
[11:02] <jabra> thank
[11:02] <jabra> s
[11:02] <dholbach> in debian/changelog: one empty *
[11:02] <ivoks> wireless-tools is already the newest version.
[11:02] <ivoks> jabra wiretools-tools!!!!
[11:02] <jabra> ya
[11:02] <ivoks> jabra wake up
[11:02] <ivoks> wireless-tools
[11:03] <dholbach> you could throw out debian/dirs
[11:03] <ivoks> not wiretools-tools
[11:03] <ivoks> :)
[11:03] <jabra> ivoks: thanks I get the idea
[11:04] <dholbach> +       mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/getwifi/usr/sbin
[11:04] <dholbach> +       mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/getwifi/etc
[11:04] <dholbach> +       mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/getwifi/usr/share/doc/getwifi
[11:05] <dholbach> hrm
[11:05] <\sh> install -d -m <mask>
[11:05] <dholbach> i'm looking for another example
[11:05] <herve> dholbach, you want him to create the dirs instead of using debhelper?
[11:06] <dholbach> no... that's what's in debian/rules
[11:06] <ivoks> i have that too... that's wrong?
[11:06] <jabra> ...
[11:07] <dholbach> Architecture: any    <--    should be all, since it doesnt have to be compiled on every arch (no architecture-dependant stuff)
[11:07] <jabra> right
[11:08] <herve> masters of the masters will correct
[11:08] <jabra> shoudl the Depends be changed to specific version of wireless-tools ?
[11:08] <herve> but I feel like
[11:08] <dholbach> DHCP_CLIENT=${DHCP_CLIENT:-/sbin/dhclient}    <----    you will want to adress that in   the   Depends:
[11:08] <herve> the shorter debian/rules is, the better
[11:08] <dholbach> IFCONFIG=${IFCONFIG:-/sbin/ifconfig} <- this one as well
[11:08] <jabra> well it is dhcpd or dhclient
[11:08] <dholbach> jabra: but the user needs to have it installed :-)
[11:09] <herve> is there an alternative to ifconfig?
[11:09] <jabra> not that I know of
[11:09] <ivoks> no
[11:09] <jabra> well should I add route?
[11:09] <dholbach> ok... most users already _have_ it installed
[11:09] <jabra> ya ok
[11:09] <herve> jabra, dhcpd or dhclient? you want a server or a client?
[11:09] <dholbach> but you want to make sure
[11:10] <jabra> ok well dhcpd isn't that a client
[11:10] <herve> good gnu arch boy
[11:10] <herve> I spent merging old changes with a project that has changed a lot in an hour
[11:10] <herve> instead of spending the night
[11:11] <jabra> damn
[11:11] <dholbach> the manpage doesnt get installed
[11:11] <jabra> ya I don't understand why
[11:11] <jabra> I used dh_installman ./getwifi.1
[11:11] <dholbach> not in debian/rules
[11:12] <jabra> no I did that by hand
[11:12] <dholbach> why?
[11:12] <jabra> uh I dunno
[11:12] <herve> so it's like you didn't do it :-)
[11:12] <dholbach> put it in debian/rules
[11:12] <ivoks> heh
[11:12] <jabra> ok then I will add it
[11:12] <jabra> ok
[11:12] <ivoks> is man page musthave?
[11:12] <jabra> ya
[11:12] <dholbach> dh_installman should look up debian/manpages
[11:12] <ivoks> even if there is nothing to decribe?
[11:13] <ivoks> describe
[11:13] <dholbach> executable binaries should have a manpage
[11:13] <\sh> ivoks: sure...or mam lintian will treat your bum according to her checks ;)
[11:13] <ivoks> dholbach scripts?
[11:13] <dholbach> as well
[11:13] <herve> not having a manpage for binaries is a bug wrt debian policy
[11:14] <ivoks> it isn't binary
[11:14] <ivoks> it's python script
[11:14] <herve> binary, I mean programs people use
[11:14] <\sh> ivoks: it's complaining every time for stuff installed in /usr/bin /usr/sbin etc.
[11:14] <herve> ivoks, does that answer your question? :-)
[11:14] <jabra> umm how should I call manpages from rules to do dh_installman?
[11:14] <ivoks> :)
[11:14] <dholbach> man dh_installman :-)
[11:14] <ivoks> jabra under install
[11:15] <jabra> k
[11:15] <dholbach> ok... so where do we find a nice debian/rules for the install some scripts corner case
[11:15] <herve> jabra, there was a commented dh_installman line in the debian/rule dh_make generated
[11:15] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:15] <\sh> straw
[11:16] <\sh> python, gnome, script
[11:16] <ivoks> :)
[11:16] <ivoks> jabra ok, how did you write man page?
[11:16] <jabra> ya
[11:17] <herve> ivoks, I took reportlab's one and changed sentences :-)
[11:17] <ivoks> no, I will not write man page in 23:20, no, no way
[11:17] <herve> you have plenty of time
[11:18] <herve> say, next september to keep a safety net
[11:18] <ivoks> i don't even know what to write :)
[11:18] <\sh> i'm writing the manpages every time in docbook and then build depend on docbook-to-man and there it is..debian/rules call to docbook to man thats it..
[11:19] <jabra> dholbach: anything else?
[11:20] <dholbach> jabra: still looking
[11:20] <dholbach> and finding a nice example for debian/rules
[11:20] <jabra> awesome
[11:20] <jabra> dholbach: take all the time you need
[11:20] <ivoks> i think time is something he doesn't have :(
[11:21] <herve> night all
[11:21] <dholbach> ivoks, jabra: be sure of this one: i really don't want to annoy you, but i promise i do everything to give the MOTU crew the smoothest experience possible, so please try to be patient :-)
[11:21] <dholbach> in 3 months it will be different
[11:22] <ivoks> herve bye
[11:22] <jabra> herve: later
[11:22] <jabra> dholbach: ok
[11:22] <ivoks> dholbach everything is ok
[11:23] <dholbach> because some other folks are waiting on their reviews a bit longer than you do
[11:23] <dholbach> i know it's annoying to wait for feedback
[11:23] <dholbach> but atm it unfortunately is a fact
[11:23] <ivoks> i know that, so i don't ask... it's on the list...
[11:23] <jabra> yep
[11:24] <ivoks> dholbach don't worry, just take it easy and get some sleep
[11:24] <ivoks> it's midnight
[11:24] <jabra> dholbach: I really appreciate it
[11:24] <jabra> it is 5pm
[11:24] <ivoks> L((
[11:24] <ivoks> :))
[11:24] <dholbach> dh_testdir, dh_testroot and dh_installdirs should take care of making most of the directories
[11:25] <jabra> ok
[11:25] <dholbach> i dont know if epic4-script-hienoa is a good example, but debian/rules looks a bit cleaner to me
[11:25] <dholbach> apt-get source epic4-script-hienoa
[11:25] <dholbach> it's just a script and some documentation (for an irc client)
[11:25] <dholbach> maybe you can make the best out of it
[11:26] <jabra> k
[11:26] <dholbach> if you sorted all the stuff out, could you please notify me?
[11:26] <dholbach> then i'll have another look
[11:26] <jabra> awesome
[11:26] <jabra> thanks you have helped a great deal
[11:26] <jabra> one question though
[11:27] <dholbach> fire away
[11:27] <jabra> why is there an error with breezy from lintian? even though I upgraded
[11:27] <dholbach> jabra: because lintian was sick
[11:27] <ivoks> i'm off to bed... night!
[11:27] <dholbach> koke fixed it
[11:27] <dholbach> ivoks: good night!
[11:27] <jabra> ya and I upgraded
[11:27] <jabra> ivoks: gn
[11:27] <dholbach> with the next upgrade it should be fine
[11:27] <jabra> hmmm werird
[11:28] <\sh> dholbach: pils or klsch or alt? ,-)
[11:28] <dholbach> oh, now i see what you mean
[11:28] <dholbach> \sh: all of them :-)
[11:28] <dholbach> koke: did you test your change on lintian?
[11:28] <dholbach> koke: it still seems to be sick
[11:28] <jabra> heh that was the bug I found
[11:28] <\sh> dholbach: we should change lintian to "cowdesease"
[11:29] <jabra> I would think that would ahve been fixed already
[11:29] <dholbach> it should use lsb-release as a fallback
[11:29] <dholbach> jabra: koke will manage
[11:29] <\sh> koke maintains ubuntu-lintian?
[11:30] <jabra> ok well it isn't a error that I should do anything about
[11:30] <dholbach> ah no
[11:30] <dholbach> no no no no
[11:30] <jabra> ?
[11:31] <dholbach> lintian is in main
[11:31] <jabra> ok
[11:31] <dholbach> koke: did somebody upload it for you?
[11:31] <ogra> dholbach, me
[11:31] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:32] <ogra> seems its not in the archive yet... at least i dont see it here
[11:32] <dholbach> jabra: what is the first entry in  zmore /usr/share/doc/lintian/changelog.Debian.gz ?
[11:32] <dholbach> for me as well
[11:32] <dholbach> the archive has gone all funny
[11:33] <jabra> I installed the tar.gz
[11:33] <ogra> heh
[11:33] <dholbach> it takes ages compared to the hoary cycle
[11:33] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lintian/
[11:33] <ogra> its there
[11:33] <ogra> why doesnt my update manager show it ?
[11:34] <dholbach> because it doesnt have the newest lists?
[11:34] <jabra> I installed it in /usr/local/
[11:34] <ogra> dholbach, i did an apt-get update indeed
[11:34] <dholbach> jabra: i'd always use packages, ALWAYS :-)
[11:34] <dholbach> ogra: hrm
[11:34] <koke> oops, sorry I was a bit away
[11:34] <dholbach> ogra: the _german_ archive has gone funny then ;-)
[11:35] <jabra> ok well I wanted to have this thing done so I could have it reviewed so when you came on I would be all set
[11:35] <ogra> dholbach, hmm, explicitly installing lintian works....
[11:35] <lamont> hrm... bzip2'ing 30GB of logfiles takes a while...
[11:35] <lamont> esp on slow disks
[11:35] <ogra> dholbach, might be a dist-upgrade package...
[11:35] <lamont> ok, they're not really slow.
[11:35] <\sh> Inst lintian [1.23.6ubuntu1]  (1.23.6ubuntu2 Ubuntu:5.10/breezy)
[11:35] <\sh> right version?
[11:35] <jabra> no
[11:35] <jabra> I think it should be ubuntu2?
[11:35] <ogra> \sh, 1.23.6ubuntu2
[11:36] <\sh> ogra: yes...in round brackets :)
[11:36] <dholbach> ogra: archive.ubuntu.com has it (via apt)
[11:36] <\sh> i did apt-get update ; apt-get -s upgrade
 dholbach, hmm, explicitly installing lintian works....
[11:37] <jabra> yep
[11:38] <dholbach> ogra: hrm, dbus/hal/gnomevfs upgrade will break lots of stuff, maybe thats why
[11:38] <\sh> argl
[11:38] <\sh> from dbus changelog: "New upstream version (now with 97% more Api breakage!)."
[11:38] <\sh> it's a FAQ ;)
[11:38] <ogra> dholbach, i think dbus isnt ready yet
[11:38] <dholbach> jabra: made a note on MOTUNewPackages
[11:40] <ogra>  Package: tomboy
[11:40] <ogra>  Version: 0.3.2-4ubuntu3
[11:40] <ogra>  Section: gnome
[11:40] <ogra>  Priority: optional
[11:40] <ogra>  Architecture: amd64
[11:40] <ogra>  Depends: libdbus-cil (>= 0.23.4-3), libgconf-cil (>= 1.0), libglib-cil (>= 1.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome-cil (>= 1.0), libgtk-cil (>= 1.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.10.1), mono-assemblies-base (>= 1.0)
[11:40] <ogra>  Installed-Size: 756
[11:41] <ogra> YAY !!!
[11:41] <ogra> DEPENDENCYS
[11:47] <jabra> ok
[11:48] <jabra> dholbach: what would do you want me to write?
[11:49] <\sh> your name, the package, where to find it :)
[11:49] <jabra> just summaries some of things I need to change?
[11:50] <jabra> ok
[11:50] <jabra> will do
[11:50] <\sh> just like all the others ;)
[11:50] <jabra> well my name url and package is already there
[11:51] <dholbach> jabra: just change the stuff
[11:51] <jabra> ok cool
[11:51] <jabra> will do
[11:51] <\sh> hmmm
[11:51] <\sh> i can forget about my packages right now..ok...vnc2swf and libming ok, but the kde stuff...
[11:52] <\sh> i have to wait until next week ;)
[11:52] <ogra> longer
[11:53] <jabra> ok I will go read up on dh_testdir dh_installdir etc
[11:54] <\sh> ogra: please ask mark, if he can make a sponsorship with ibm for a nice rack full of blades ;)
[11:54] <ogra> \sh, hardware is not the issue....
[11:54] <jabra> dholbach: thank you once again
[11:54] <dholbach> jabra: anytime
[11:54] <\sh> but it will help a lot ;)
[11:55] <\sh> anyways
[11:55] <\sh> 5 minutes before midnight
[11:55] <ogra> looks like i get it ready now....
[11:55] <\sh> time to watch another star trek tng episode and go to bed
[11:56] <\sh> g'night gentlemen