/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2005/05/20/#kubuntu.txt

Tezkah	you are much nicer than #microsoft	12:01
kay	Well, I am sure it is to get better. I am confident to say that (K)ubuntu was so far the best hardware support	12:01
KaiL	allee: and on none of them you had success?	12:02
kay	Tezkah: Only paid less :p	12:02
Tezkah	now... will sleep work?	12:02
Tezkah	hmm	12:02
KaiL	you sleeping or your laptop? :)	12:02
kay	Likely did work just now	12:03
KaiL	that halp always work	12:03
KaiL	but awaking.....	12:03
allee	KaiL: suspend/hibernate I have not even tried yet. Not knowing the state of battery is bad regardless is sleep works or not ;)	12:03
kay	Does Kubutu do that by default into grub?	12:03
nmorse	Kubuntu is the devil for suspend and hibernate	12:04
kay	I mean, suspend to swap and stuff	12:04
nmorse	They work perfectly, but the second you hit apply in the little klaptop thing's config Stuff Goes Wrong	12:04
nmorse	I can't even get into KDE without the suspend message coming up	12:04
kay	You know, this was actually first a Sarge, then I crossgraded only to Hoary and switched to Breezy the day Hoary was stable	12:04
kay	nmorse: Ignore klaptop in that regards, it is not good enough, IMO	12:05
KaiL	kay: kubuntu supports suspend to disk out of the box afaik and suspend to RAM with some easy change in settings	12:05
KaiL	even the second works for >>50%	12:05
kay	nmorse: I instead let hotplug or something do the trick, and of course powenowd and friends	12:05
nmorse	Yes, but now I can't load KDE	12:06
nmorse	I can, in fact, boot the system just fine and use Gnome, XFCE4, or Enlightenment	12:06
kay	Oh... mv, looks like you want to remove something like klaptoprc or so	12:06
nmorse	But it shuts down with the suspend messages when KDE is booted	12:07
KaiL	that's strange	12:07
nmorse	where is klaptoprc? in config in .kde/share?	12:07
KaiL	.kde/share/config I guess	12:07
kay	nmorse: I don't know the filename really, but depending on how you had configured, just rm -rf ~/.kde ?	12:07
nmorse	Not in .kde/share/config	12:08
KaiL	klaptopdeamonrc?	12:08
KaiL	...or so	12:08
kay	find ~/.kde -name \laptop\ tells you?	12:08
KaiL	:)	12:08
nmorse	nothing with kl* besides klipper	12:08
KaiL	that was my next idea	12:08
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KaiL	suspend to disk works out of the box?	12:09
nmorse	kcmlaptoprc is the file, for the record	12:09
nmorse	Suspend to swap works just fine for me	12:09
KaiL	or does anything needs to be configured?	12:09
kay	So, nuke it and may work	12:09
nmorse	Just KDE screws stuff up	12:09
nmorse	now if only someone knew something about SMTP auth	12:09
kay	I found the klaptop config of stuff not up to normal KDE standards (yet)	12:10
nmorse	I can't stand SASL but need to do the SMTP auth for my server	12:10
kay	And as I said, it all works fine without it	12:10
nmorse	There must be an alternative to SASL somewhere	12:10
kay	nmorse: Can you tell more?	12:10
nmorse	About kcmlaptoprc and the little sys-tray daemon?	12:11
kay	No, your SMTP auth problems	12:11
nmorse	Basically, I set it up to suspend on lidbutton and to suspend on power button	12:11
nmorse	Oh, well my server will be going with me to college in the fall and I don't want to set up trusted senders by IP or Subnet as that's simply too many people	12:12
exciton	okay I did this sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx but I still can't get my res above 1024x768 and everything is still laggy and opengl is at 1 frame per 3 secs	12:12
exciton	any ideas?	12:12
nmorse	DRI is not enabled, is it?	12:12
nmorse	Do glxinfo \| grep direct in Konsole	12:12
exciton	dri is in the xorg.conf file	12:13
nmorse	do the glxinfo bit	12:13
nmorse	So I'm trying to do SMTP auth completely without Cyrus-SASL if at all possible	12:13
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exciton	Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display 0:0	12:14
KaiL	exciton: fglrx enabled in /etx/X11/xorg.conf?	12:14
nmorse	any ideas, kay?	12:14
kay	nmorse: If i understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SASL correctly, it doesn't really fix much	12:14
exciton	nope driver is still listed as ati for some reason	12:14
kay	nmorse: Plain text passwords are in SASL just as well as the loved NTLM	12:15
Tezkah	well thats no good	12:15
KaiL	exciton: you need to set that manually	12:15
Tezkah	root 8847 20.3 0.0 1532 420 pts/1 S+ 16:03 0:08 rmmod rt2500	12:15
nmorse	I just need some way to do the SMTP authentication, PLAIN password login or not	12:15
Tezkah	wehn	12:15
Tezkah	when I try to sleep, rmmod comes up	12:15
exciton	I did add posix to the fstab file but I don't think I needed to because it was all ready mounted	12:15
Tezkah	takes up all my megahurtz	12:15
kay	nmorse: Can you use certificates?	12:15
KaiL	Tezkah: hmm, it tries unload the module and fails :(	12:16
nmorse	I can do anything, probably, if it doesn't involve the living hell that is SASL	12:16
kay	nmorse: Or being on SSL.... why not use ssh tunnel anyway?	12:16
nmorse	It's like using Sendmail	12:16
KaiL	Tezkah: which driver version is that?	12:16
nmorse	SSH Tunnel, as in to act like I'm the localhost by tunneling in for SMTP?	12:16
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Tezkah	the newest nightly	12:16
Tezkah	or it was when I installed it a day ago	12:17
nmorse	Which would, in fact, use local passwd	12:17
KaiL	"1.1.0 BETA2 2005/02/21" is in the package..	12:17
kay	right, you come in by ssh, be localhost and allow SMTP only for localhost	12:17
KaiL	sudo modinfo rt2500 tells..	12:17
nmorse	And how do I configure client software for email to do this?	12:17
kay	ssh is regarded somewhat secure... and you can do neat things for it too	12:17
Tezkah	description: Ralink RT2500 802.11g WLAN driver 1.1.0 BETA2 2005/02/21	12:18
kay	uh yeah... :p	12:18
KaiL	hmm, halging at "configure network devices" is not good...	12:18
nmorse	So can KMail log in that way, or Thunderbird?	12:18
Tezkah	yeah, when I boot	12:18
Tezkah	it sits at "configuring network deviceS	12:18
Tezkah	but eventually it passes	12:18
kay	Well, postfix, exim likely could	12:19
transgress	wow i did more work today that i have in a long time	12:19
transgress	but i can see the walls in my room now!	12:19
KaiL	here it did that on my K6-2	12:19
KaiL	after playing with suspend to disk	12:19
KaiL	(which didn't work as is should)	12:19
nmorse	Transgress, are you on Jabber right now too?	12:19
transgress	nmorse: yes	12:19
nmorse	So you are the one transgress then	12:19
Tezkah	oh well, I gotta run anyways	12:19
KaiL	next try...	12:19
transgress	yeah i just messaged you	12:19
transgress	heh	12:19
Tezkah	I'lll work on it later	12:20
nmorse	I can receive your messages, but I get an error when I try to send you one	12:20
transgress	eh? that's weird... that's happened to someone else too though. what's it say?	12:20
kay	nmorse: you could run your mail program on that host via ssh to start with	12:21
nmorse	Right, so I need to tell the people using this server to ssh in, then start mutt or some other CLI client?	12:21
nmorse	So much for the non-SASL route	12:21
kay	Thought it is only you?	12:21
KaiL	silly	12:22
nmorse	No, it will probably be for a lot more people than you think	12:22
kay	You can tunnel X through ssh just fine though	12:22
KaiL	it asked for an IP, it got an IP and now it's sitting there	12:22
kay	ssh -X someserver kmail	12:22
nmorse	I hate tunneling X through SSH	12:22
nmorse	It's a pain all around	12:22
nmorse	I may as well use FreeNX or something then	12:23
kay	nmorse: Ah, I didn't get your problem at all, so you really need to provide standard SASL	12:23
nmorse	I guess so	12:23
nmorse	I really hate the hell that is SASL though	12:23
kay	Why?	12:24
nmorse	Makes RPM dependency hell on Red Hat look like a field day	12:24
kay	It's just a standard for how to auth, even allowing for no passwords and stuff	12:24
nmorse	Though nothing beats sendmail.cf in complexity	12:24
exciton	welll I just ran the fglrxconfig as root and backed up the xorg.conf and cp the XFree86 to xorg.conf and now x will not start anyone esle have an ati card that know what I'm doing wrong	12:24
kay	Looks ok to me	12:24
kay	You must mean the cyrus implementation :-)	12:24
nmorse	The only full implementation?	12:24
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nmorse	But when I once delved into sendmail.cf was still worse	12:25
kay	I was about to look, is really the only one?	12:25
KaiL	"no DHCPOFFERS received."	12:25
King_Brad	how do i reconfigure KDE 3.4 to make my res 1024x768?	12:25
kay	I was able to trust Debian on all mail configuration for some time now	12:26
exciton	King_Brad: is the X server running?	12:27
King_Brad	yes	12:27
King_Brad	i am in KDE3.4	12:27
King_Brad	right now	12:27
kay	I only need satellite systems like they do just fine, with no security problems	12:27
KaiL	King_Brad: current res to low or to high?	12:27
exciton	King_Brad: Then you can just right click and config desktop	12:27
exciton	King_Brad: then display	12:27
King_Brad	kail, its too low.... its at the max that it sees	12:27
KaiL	exciton: that only works for reducing the res	12:27
King_Brad	i cannot set it any higher	12:28
nmorse	I'm trying to make a stand-alone mail server, like your ISP has, kay	12:28
King_Brad	its at like 864x450 or some crazy number like that	12:28
nmorse	And I'm using FreeBSD, because well I love Debian, I needed more up-to-date software	12:28
KaiL	King_Brad: so you need to fight with /etx/X11/xorg.conf for now	12:28
kay	with MX record, nmorse ?	12:28
exciton	KaiL: thats not 100% true if you are under 1024x768 you can use it to rase the rex	12:28
exciton	res*	12:28
King_Brad	k	12:28
King_Brad	thx kail	12:28
nmorse	Yes, MX records	12:29
nmorse	betterthanducttape.com is the domain	12:29
kay	But hey, that one has to have no auth, right?	12:29
nmorse	What?	12:29
nmorse	I'm talking about auth to relay mail through it	12:30
King_Brad	Kail, is there a command i can run to do a configure thingie?	12:30
King_Brad	or something	12:30
kay	Well, it has to accept mail for somebody@betterthanducttape.com from anywhere, or not nmorse ?	12:30
KaiL	text editor ;p	12:30
nmorse	Like to send mail from Thunderbird through it	12:30
King_Brad	bay	12:30
King_Brad	bah*	12:30
nmorse	It has to accept anyone@betterthanducttape.com, yes	12:30
nmorse	Just like SBC has to accept anyone@sbcglobal.net	12:30
nmorse	But SMTP auth is still completely possible, as they've proven	12:30
kay	nmorse: Ok, but for other addresses you need auth, clearly otherwise you will be a relay then	12:31
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nmorse	Basically, I'm trying to make it so I can send mail from anywhere through my server, and still not be an open relay for spammers	12:32
kay	What do they auth with in the end, you give password and account?	12:33
nmorse	Yes, good old passwd on FreeBSD	12:34
transgress	what about passwd on fbsd?	12:34
transgress	i need to build another machine... i want a freebsd machine	12:34
nmorse	That's the login mechanism I'm trying to use for SASL	12:34
nmorse	I have a FreeBSD server sitting about 4 feet from me	12:35
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transgress	i have a slack server next to me, but it's about to be debian	12:35
kay	he... nmorse my first Unix was a NetBSD :	12:35
transgress	if i get more ram in it ever i'ma make it freebsd	12:35
kay	At the time there was no FreeBSD yet :p	12:35
nmorse	I had a very fun time trying to set up NetBSD	12:35
nmorse	I really hate its installer and the lack of a first boot setup	12:36
transgress	i thought freebsd came out before netbsd	12:37
nmorse	I thought OpenBSD came after FreeBSD, and Net forked off of Open	12:37
nmorse	or maybe the fork was the other way	12:37
kay	It was the other way round	12:37
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nmorse	Anyway, the point is FreeBSD came first	12:37
nmorse	And that's why OpenBSD runs on so many platforms	12:38
transgress	yeah i was thinking netbsd came about because of the lack of platforms for freebsd	12:38
kay	Why don't you try http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/	12:39
nmorse	thanks for the link, kay	12:39
kay	I see no reason why postfix shouldn't be easier than sendmail	12:39
exciton	okay back to why I'm here my system is shuting it's self off at 41C is there any ideas on how or why	12:40
kay	Even I have successfully edited some of its config in the past	12:40
kay	And besides, it is the Kubuntu default mailer	12:40
kay	:p	12:40
KaiL	next try...	12:40
nmorse	Kubuntu should switch to exim, like official debian has	12:42
kay	nmorse: I found it through Wikipedia btw, SASL -> SNMP -> Programs that implement it -> Postfix -> FAQs	12:42
nmorse	I wonder if POP-before-SMTP might work for me	12:42
kay	POP before SMTP is bad in my book	12:42
KaiL	better birng your children to bed, before it comes to networking here...:)	12:43
kay	Because the clients never do that, they first send mail and only then pop	12:43
kay	nmorse: Who is this Debian anyway these days :p	12:44
nmorse	Right, so the fact that Outlook, Outlook Express, and Thunderbird all check mail in on startup means that they won't have logged in via POP or IMAP first?	12:44
KaiL	hmm, beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep	12:44
nmorse	Debian is this giant dinosaur that still kicks all the little mammals' butts	12:44
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nmorse	Of course, the little ones did come from it	12:45
kay	They really work hard to give Fedora chances it never deserved	12:45
transgress	who does?	12:45
kay	I remember the last security team freeze stuff.... it was only 6 months to release then	12:46
nmorse	Fedora doesn't have any chances aside from the Red Hat fan club and the SELinux fan club	12:46
transgress	i don't find fedora that bad...	12:46
nmorse	It just hasn't caught up to the other desktop distros yet, and the SELinux stuff messed up a lot of software	12:46
kay	It is no real community Linux, but the more Debian fails to release... the more attraction Fedora has gained	12:46
transgress	yum repos seem to help with the rpm problems that RH had... it makes for easy as hell updates, SELinux is nice when you worry about security...	12:47
transgress	i'm actually thinking of putting FC4 on my lappy when it's relesed depending on how it looks... namely waiting for new kde to be put on it	12:47
kay	Did you read the news about Immunix and Novell? That looks promising btw	12:47
nmorse	What news, kay?	12:48
kay	Novell bought it	12:48
nmorse	and Immunix makes what?	12:48
kay	oops :p	12:48
transgress	i like fedora for being more community driven... that appeals to me	12:48
kay	transgress: That normally should be Debian	12:48
nmorse	Fedora is not community driven, the Red Hat employees still have the final say	12:48
transgress	i didn't like that they suggested not doing a custom kernel heh	12:48
nmorse	It's like an out-sourced Red Hat	12:49
kay	Immunix is a commercial distribution of Linux with several security hardening features.	12:49
transgress	nmorse: key word was _more_	12:49
kay	I think it's the one, when you look for secure linux maybe	12:49
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nmorse	Right, I still suggest Ubuntu or Kubuntu for laptops	12:49
transgress	and the owners of the distro always has more say in it... just like debian, ubuntu, kubuntu	12:49
nmorse	Real community driven distro with Debian for a base	12:49
transgress	i'm running ubuntu on my lappy atm...	12:49
kay	Truth is, for the people Fedora is more community than outdated Debian	12:49
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nmorse	Funny, Debian	12:50
kay	People won't rush to install Gnome 2.8 or KDE 3.3 over their Fedora's with newer versions	12:50
nmorse	's never seemed to try to keep me out of the process	12:50
transgress	if debian would stop dragging their feet i'd run nothing but debian. i love debian. and i love the politics surrounding debian heh.	12:50
nmorse	I prefer Unstable or Testing for Debian anyway	12:50
kay	I am having high hopes on Ubuntu there, HP and people, driving it more	12:50
transgress	even testing debian is more outdated than current fedora however	12:50
nmorse	And with stuff like Ubuntu or Libranet we don't need releases often	12:51
nmorse	Debian is also the only distro to support so many platforms	12:51
nmorse	Debian runs on the f'ing FreeBSD kernel	12:51
nmorse	and runs on Hurd	12:51
kay	nmorse: Yet, where is KDE 3.4 there, where is Xorg, where has the proudness gone?	12:51
transgress	gentoo runs on a lot too	12:51
kay	I remember the days where KDE 2.2 was in Debian FIRST	12:52
nmorse	Xorg and KDE 3.4 will get into Unstable when Sarge is released	12:52
kay	And other releases too...	12:52
nmorse	They're in experimental if I recall	12:52
transgress	but sometimes at least getting releases out on some platforms is better than getting no releases out on no platforms	12:52
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nmorse	Have you seen what it takes to ensure software runs on ARM processors? Portable coding is dead.	12:52
kay	nmorse: Funny if you don't use i368, experimental is practially useless	12:52
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kay	And they didn't support my amd64 for real, for much too long	12:52
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nmorse	Experimental is useless if you're not a maintainer anyway	12:53
nmorse	Debian will probably start an official AMD64 port soon enough	12:53
kay	I went for Ubuntu with KDE mostly for being fed up with some unofficial server of Sid, lagging behind, being broken and just plain bad	12:53
nmorse	Everything hinges on Sarge's release	12:53
kay	For much too long	12:53
transgress	actually i think they said they would let whoever does the port keep doing it and they wouldn't put as much focus on amd64	12:54
nmorse	Everyone's been too obsessed attempting to get a 2 year late release out the door that they can't worry about new stuff	12:54
kay	And the quality of Sarge is _still_ not the result of the time passed	12:54
nmorse	Maybe if they hadn't tried to push ahead with udev support we'd have it now	12:54
kay	I tell you, everyone that was big in Debian now works for Canonical in many fields	12:54
kay	I met Debian guys at fairs, that were hired to do stuff for Fedora rather	12:55
kay	That SELinux guy of Redhat, he was once into Debian	12:55
nmorse	Yes, which means Debian still lives as it's still being developed. You didn't think that working on Ubuntu meant no work would occur on Debian, did you?	12:55
nmorse	The SELinux guy went where he was needed	12:55
lucychili	ive heard that sort of comment b4	12:55
kay	It's more like Debian merging Ubuntu changes back in some fields now	12:55
nmorse	Anyway, I'm tired of the general animosity towards Debian from most Ubuntu users	12:56
lucychili	yep	12:56
KaiL	f*ck :(	12:56
lucychili	not good	12:56
kay	You know, this Mark or Marc has the ambition to make Ubuntu replace Debian	12:56
lucychili	ubuntu is built on debian	12:56
nmorse	What's the point of attempting to kill the distribution yours is based entirely on?	12:56
KaiL	looks like the suspend test killed my Realtek 8139A :(	12:56
kay	nmorse: It is not animosity.... it is just disappointment	12:56
lucychili	honoring the team youre partnering with is important	12:57
nmorse	Will Marc ever actually convince all of the people to contine making packages for Ubuntu, which wasn't really founded on the same ideals?	12:57
transgress	nmorse: don't find my statements as animosity... as i said i love debian. there is a reason many things are built on debian... but they are dragging ass like no one else.	12:57
kay	I am not saying that Debian will die or stuff... I am just saying it is a hell slower than it should be	12:57
lucychili	if ubuntu hires resources debian uses too then its a sensitive area	12:57
nmorse	Even the main debian devs agree it's too slow right now	12:57
transgress	i'm hoping the new boss there will help move shit along	12:57
nmorse	I guess I'm on the defensive due to the bull I hear from a lot of Ubuntu guys	12:58
nmorse	I'm kind of looking forward to Progeny Debian	12:58
kay	Debian Project Leaders serve way too short	12:58
lucychili	im just an end user but my concern for our org is that the future of us committing our customers to ubuntu is whether ubuntu and open office and debian can work effectively as a team long term	12:58
nmorse	Made by the Ian of Debian	12:58
kay	Don't forget Debby :p	12:58
nmorse	OpenOffice can't seem to get along without specific Java from Sun which is proprietary and undocumented	12:58
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lucychili	i know that there are issues for all of these groups	12:59
nmorse	At this rate, the projects are going to kill each other	12:59
lucychili	just want to flag that for the end users we can hear the discord	12:59
nmorse	Probably Ubuntu and OO.o would go first, while Debian's death would lag behind	12:59
kay	Hey hey.... look at meeting minutes from Sun	12:59
kay	They are going to fix it	12:59
lucychili	and hope that you guys can keep it all sweet	12:59
nmorse	You run a business based on Ubuntu, lucychili?	01:00
lucychili	debain is a reliable server space	01:00
kay	And as I know it, Redhat already did most of the work, to make OO.o's Java parts work fine with gcj	01:00
lucychili	i runa community group	01:00
lucychili	which provides ubuntu debian boxes to people	01:00
lucychili	we do training on them for them	01:00
nmorse	Okay, lucychili	01:00
kay	Openoffice using so much Sun Java is really just a coincidence	01:00
nmorse	That's a great idea, lucy	01:00
sirukin	hmm	01:00
lucychili	and sometimes we do community groups lans	01:00
sirukin	I take it judging by the current topic, we're all slashdot readers.	01:01
nmorse	So you're like a Debian LUG for the area?	01:01
nmorse	Oh, probably	01:01
lucychili	and training for the community groups	01:01
nmorse	I read /.	01:01
kay	sirukin: What's on there?	01:01
sirukin	nothing	01:02
kay	ah, i thought there was a current post on this topic :p	01:02
KaiL	wtf is this?	01:02
nmorse	anyway, I'm hoping the trolls on either side shut up long enough for the rest of us to get some work done	01:02
KaiL	Realtek 8029 also doesn't want me	01:02
kay	Well.... i gotta take some sleep....	01:04
kay	bye	01:04
sirukin	mmm	01:05
sirukin	yeah, personally I don't really care.	01:05
sirukin	Micro$$$oft will own everyone in ten years time anyway	01:05
transgress	they don't now? so i can take this electric armband off then?	01:05
sirukin	slap a "Pwnt by Bill" on my ass cheek, and I'll be happy to drink DRM.	01:06
sirukin	transgress, <insert borg star trek comment here>	01:06
closure	sirukin, no they won't	01:06
closure	sirukin, they are shaking in their boots with confidence	01:07
sirukin	=D	01:07
transgress	i do feel they are probably more worried about OSX than they are linux however	01:07
transgress	and seeing as they a large amount of stock in apple...	01:07
closure	transgress, most definitely	01:08
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transgress	*they own	01:08
closure	linux is like herpes to them	01:08
nmorse	It keeps MS from f'ing us in the a*	01:08
nmorse	?	01:08
closure	pops up every few months just to bother them	01:08
transgress	hehe my friend's brother just got diagnosed with herpes	01:08
sirukin	...	01:08
sirukin	BWUHAHAHAHA	01:08
closure	shrugs i don't have it but it doesn't seem like a big deal to me	01:09
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transgress	but he swears he didn't sleep around...	01:09
closure	get that cream or those pills and you'll be straight	01:09
transgress	i really wanna just explain to him how herpes works	01:09
closure	98% of adults have some form of herpes	01:09
transgress	<-- is immuned to most types of herpes.	01:09
sirukin	98% of uranus has herpes.	01:09
transgress	<-- is very happy about that fact	01:09
closure	sirukin, see that kind of herpes would suck	01:10
closure	sirukin, how would you know you have it? i mean who looks at their ass hole?	01:10
sirukin	haha	01:10
sirukin	that's right	01:10
sirukin	the GOATSE conpiracy.	01:10
sirukin	cons+/(-)	01:11
sirukin	everyone takes a photo of themselves stretching their anusses.	01:11
transgress	closure: umm... herpes don't just look bad... they hurt like hell... at least that's my understanding	01:11
sirukin	www.ratemyahole.com	01:11
transgress	i'm not going to that site	01:11
transgress	sorry	01:11
sirukin	I made it up.	01:12
sirukin	if it really exists....I will fear.	01:12
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transgress	umm okay looking at slashdot right now... i'm not big on wiring and all that nice hardware shit... but it just seems like submerging your computer in oil would burn stuff out...	01:13
transgress	the whole liquid thing...	01:13
transgress	am i wrong?	01:13
transgress	http://mirrordot.org/stories/7bb0bea011df808569857f1175b25bee/index.html <-- if you are wondering	01:13
closure	is that the mineral one?	01:14
closure	that's funny shit	01:14
transgress	yes	01:14
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transgress	how can that possibly work w/o burning shit out...	01:14
Kisain	can anyone tell me how to run a VRML file?	01:15
transgress	i mean... mineral oil seems like it would make a grand conductor...	01:15
Kisain	i downloaded the stuff through syn but don't know what to do	01:15
transgress	wtf is vrml?	01:15
nmorse	a VRML file? As in Virtual Reality Markup Language?	01:15
Kisain	i work on clocks it is a great conductor	01:15
nmorse	Crap, I didn't know that crap was still alive	01:16
Kisain	yup	01:16
Kisain	i got the lament configuration in that fikle format	01:16
Kisain	file i mean	01:16
Kisain	i downloaded the stuff through syn	01:16
Kisain	but don't know how to use it lol	01:16
Kisain	Virtual Reality Modeling Language	01:17
Kisain	is what it is lol	01:17
Kisain	anyone have any idea?	01:17
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nmorse	I have no idea what to do with it. Honestly, I thought it was a dead language	01:18
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nmorse	The graphics look like crap when it gets done	01:19
Kisain	damn	01:19
nmorse	Hmmm	01:20
sbcman	hey folks	01:20
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nmorse	OpenVRML is what you're looking for Kisain	01:20
nmorse	LGPL	01:21
Kisain	is that a command line thing?	01:21
nmorse	'ed VRML browser	01:21
Kisain	i dont understand nmorse	01:21
nmorse	http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=7151&ssid=212	01:21
nmorse	Graphical browser, like Firefox, but for VRML	01:22
nmorse	VRML is a 3D markup language	01:22
nmorse	It lets you create interactive web environments (supposedly)	01:22
Kisain	um synaptic syays i alredy have it how to use?	01:22
nmorse	try installing vrweb then	01:24
Kisain	kk	01:24
nmorse	I have no VRML files here to play with or I'd check for you	01:24
Kisain	i have some if you want	01:25
Kisain	i have the lament configuration	01:25
Kisain	you know the hellraser cube?	01:25
nmorse	I can't receive files over IRC (stupid firewall)	01:25
transgress	man two days w/o getting any mail	01:26
transgress	that bothers me... because i have so many things in the mail coming to me right now	01:27
Kisain	ok i installed vrweb how to run?	01:27
transgress	that something should've shown up	01:27
transgress	vrweb maybe?	01:27
Kisain	um duh lol	01:27
Kisain	bingo lol	01:27
KaiL	WTF?	01:29
Kisain	:/ dosen't work	01:29
KaiL	why do I need to reload the network driver on my K8, if the K6-2 get's silly?????	01:29
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phxguy	anyone have any siggestions for a dreamweaver like html editor	01:31
nmorse	nvu would seem easy to use	01:32
nmorse	I personally do almost everything in Quanta Plus	01:32
phxguy	ive tried both and don't care for em but thanks for the suggestions.	01:32
nmorse	Don't bother with Bluefish then	01:33
nmorse	CoffeCup has a linux port	01:33
phxguy	bluefish? is it visual?	01:34
nmorse	Somewhat	01:34
KaiL	nvu looks like the seperated Mozilla Composer	01:34
nmorse	Not as much as Quanta Plus in visual mode	01:34
nmorse	Nvu is Mozilla Composer these days	01:34
KaiL	then I'd start with that	01:35
KaiL	imho it's VERY powerfull tool	01:35
nmorse	Did you try setting Quanta Plus to visual editor mode?	01:36
KaiL	veeeeeery unstable	01:36
nmorse	Nvu is very unstable?	01:37
phxguy	how do i do that nmorse	01:37
KaiL	no, quanta in visual mode is	01:37
phxguy	Ive got Nvu and I dont care for it too much	01:41
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Ken-OhKi	What's this 'kdelibs' bug?	01:41
phxguy	Quanta seems like it can do a lot but I would like something more visual... like dreamweaver	01:42
nmorse	Quanta has an option to be visual, but Kail claims it's unstable	01:42
transgress	Ken-OhKi: it's kde-libs not wanting to update with apt-get dist-upgrade	01:43
nmorse	Anyway, there's not a real Dreamweaver equivalent for linux	01:43
phxguy	well i dont see where that option is.	01:43
phxguy	nmorse: where?	01:43
nmorse	We have kwebdev (Quanta), Bluefish, and Nvu	01:44
nmorse	It'	01:44
Ken-OhKi	trans -> I have a fresh install that kde don't work...	01:44
nmorse	It's in one of the menus	01:44
transgress	well... you could always not use canned website editors	01:44
nmorse	ask Kail, I can't get KDE to work	01:44
transgress	nmorse: did you install kde from ubuntu or from kubuntu?	01:44
transgress	same to you Ken-OhKi?	01:44
phxguy	transgress: yeah i could also use windows	01:45
Ken-OhKi	I downloaded it today	01:45
transgress	because spyware and virii are good for you.	01:45
transgress	because instability is good too...	01:45
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nmorse	I installed Ubuntu, then installed KDE from it	01:46
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nmorse	The problem is with kcmlaptoprc, I think	01:46
nmorse	Which I rm'ed but haven't checked on since	01:46
Ken-OhKi	I wonder if reinstall it change anything	01:46
KaiL_hoary	Ken-OhKi: it should	01:47
Ken-OhKi	Is this KDE issue a version problem?	01:47
Ken-OhKi	GOD! I think I know what got wrong	01:47
KaiL_hoary	in fact you are the first, who has any problems to get into KDE at all ;)	01:47
phxguy	nmorse. did you do the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop	01:47
nmorse	Yeah	01:47
phxguy	odd	01:47
nmorse	The problem is with a config I did afterwards	01:48
Ken-OhKi	KaiL -> After the first stage of the install, when we reboot, I didn't put the CD back on the drive (to get files if needed). May this be a source of problem?	01:48
transgress	i couldn't get kde to work from ubuntu either	01:48
transgress	i ended up installing kubuntu directly and it worked fine	01:48
KaiL	Ken-OhKi: a "small" problem, yes	01:48
KaiL	to be more exact nothing will work without that ;)	01:49
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Ken-OhKi	KaiL -> See, transgress have this problem too ^^	01:49
Ken-OhKi	I'll just download this NS map and I'll reboot	01:49
KaiL	no, that's something diff ;)	01:49
Ken-OhKi	What's the difference? KDE doesn't work...	01:50
nmorse	I think I need to restart KDE and see if it works now	01:50
nmorse	Be back in a minute	01:50
nmorse	VPL editor in the lower toolbar, BTW, phxguy	01:50
nmorse	That'll get you into the visual editor	01:51
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KaiL	huh?	01:51
phxguy	hmmm try thats nmorse and it isnt very visual... imho	01:51
KaiL	uhm, why now my K6-2 reconnected?!	01:51
phxguy	oh well	01:51
Ken-OhKi	[KaiL] ->Well, now that you said... a LOT of stuff was on APTITUDE saying that wasn't installed	01:52
KaiL	Ken-OhKi: only the base system is ;9	01:52
Ken-OhKi	[KaiL] ->Let me guess: It makes a lot of sense?	01:53
KaiL	well... do a reinstall :)	01:53
Ken-OhKi	Do I need to delete the partition? Or just run the CD and try to override it is enough?	01:53
KaiL\|hoary	better the clean way	01:54
Ken-OhKi	ok	01:54
Ken-OhKi	thanks	01:54
Ken-OhKi	cya later	01:54
KaiL	grr	01:54
phxguy	well thanks for your help people. Im outta here	01:54
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KaiL_hoary	wtf is going on here now??	01:56
transgress	huh?	01:56
transgress	my cat seems oblivious that my keyboard is on top of her...	01:56
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transgress	wb nmorse ... any luck?	01:57
nmorse	I'm in Konversation in KDE 3.4	01:57
=== KaiL_hoary wants to know, what's going on here
transgress	cool	01:57
KaiL_hoary	nmorse: oh, cool :)	01:57
transgress	konversation is alright... wish i could make the background transparent though	01:57
nmorse	I just wish that I hadn't had to completely erase kcmlaptoprc to get it to work	01:58
KaiL	waaaaaaaah	01:58
transgress	wtf	01:58
KaiL	soon you'll see my K6-.2 reconnecting ;)	01:59
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KaiL\|500	comments?	02:01
KaiL\|500	dirty jokes?	02:01
KaiL\|500	I bet I can't reproduce it now, as I have a ping on the other box running	02:02
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KaiL\|500	what did I say? :)	02:03
KaiL\|500	KaiL_hoary: die you damn ghost!	02:04
KaiL	now it happened...	02:04
transgress	man... i hate giving customers bad news on the helpdesk...	02:05
KaiL	only for some seconds the connection to the K8 got lost and bang, freenode doesn't want me any more	02:05
transgress	because i have the highest rating of all the workers heh... and i'm competing close and don't wanna lose that.	02:05
KaiL	transgress: hmm?	02:05
transgress	eh the support system for where i work... i just had to give a customer bad news... and the customer gets to give us a rating on how well we helped... and i have the highest rating of all the workers... and this bad news is probably gonna drop me a notch	02:06
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KaiL	what does "bad news" mean?	02:08
transgress	umm he was trying to install a cgi proxy on his website and couldn't get it to work and wanted to know why... well instead of telling him why, i got to tell him he isn't allowed to install those.	02:09
KaiL	oh	02:09
KaiL	that's in fact no answer to make him happy	02:11
transgress	yep, but he should've read the TOS	02:11
KaiL	hell, the more you watch a problem, the longer it takes to reappear?	02:12
transgress	watch pot never boils eh?	02:12
KaiL	bang, there is was	02:12
KaiL	and again	02:12
KaiL	silly, why should a dhcp-client refetch the IP from time to time?	02:13
KaiL	and even more strange:	02:13
KaiL	nonono, that's to much for me today...	02:14
KaiL	silly hardware	02:14
nmorse	What kind of adapter is it again?	02:15
KaiL	maybe it'll work better tomorrow :)	02:15
KaiL	nmorse: the one getting silly here? RealTek 8139A on one side, nForce3 on the other	02:15
nmorse	Okay, no help from me on those	02:16
KaiL	hehe	02:16
nmorse	AMD64 has hardware issues, doesn't it	02:16
KaiL	it's a 32Bit-System	02:16
KaiL	if I'd at least know, which card does this nonsence	02:17
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KaiL	both could be..	02:17
nmorse	nForce 3 is AMD64 only, isn't it?	02:18
KaiL	there are also K8 based Semprons - they are 32bit only	02:18
KaiL	this is such a thing	02:18
nmorse	Oh, K8 Semprons	02:19
nmorse	Makes a lot of sense, really	02:19
KaiL	it does - powernow and low price	02:20
KaiL	maybe the nForce driver from nvidia helps	02:22
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KaiL	or there where 2 (or more) dhclients fighting with each other	02:31
KaiL	let's see.....	02:31
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Bicchi	anyone using gaim to instance messange people?	02:33
luke	I am. whys that?	02:34
Bicchi	do you see a popup window when a user signs on	02:34
luke	yeah, don't you?	02:35
Bicchi	no	02:35
Bicchi	what do you need to set?	02:35
luke	install gaim guifications	02:35
luke	it's in synaptic	02:35
Bicchi	ok	02:35
KaiL	nmorse: DHCPREQUEST/DHCPACK every few seconds is not normal, or?	02:35
Bicchi	luke: i allready have it installed.	02:35
luke	on gaim tools > preferences > plugins enable guifications	02:36
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KaiL_hoary	this seams to be fixed :)	02:38
Bicchi	luke: cool thanks. now i need someone to signon to try it.	02:38
luke	no problem :)	02:39
Bicchi	luke: i also do not see the buddy icon on the chat window.	02:39
Bicchi	luke: like for aol.	02:39
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luke	I don't use aol so I don't know. it could be a aol thing	02:39
luke	if they have a picture it will usually show	02:40
Bicchi	i know, thats the weird part. its showing for msn.	02:40
transgress	you sure they have a buddy icon?	02:41
transgress	it'll show... especially by default...	02:41
luke	it's probibly an aol thing	02:41
transgress	man i don't miss buddy icons	02:41
Bicchi	yeah they do have buddy icons. i just checked from windows	02:41
transgress	then he's probably right... probably an aol thing	02:41
transgress	tell them to get a real isp	02:41
transgress	and that'll fix it	02:42
transgress	;)	02:42
luke	haha	02:42
Bicchi	i do not use aol but i use their messenger.	02:42
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nmorse	I like the DBUS news for the topic	02:46
luke	whats that about?	02:46
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luke	anyone here ever tried gentoo?	02:48
nmorse	It's still on my desktop, I think	02:48
nmorse	This is my laptop	02:48
nmorse	What about it, luke?	02:49
luke	o yup. I'm setting up a webserver with it. but I'm installing kde to see what it's like on gentoo. taking forever	02:49
nmorse	Never ever use Gentoo on a server	02:49
nmorse	I made that mistake once	02:49
luke	whys that?	02:49
nmorse	Etc-update ran automatically and wiped all of my config files	02:49
nmorse	Couldn't even boot because /etc/fstab was re-written	02:50
luke	how did it run automatically?	02:50
nmorse	No idea	02:50
nmorse	Might have been in a cron.monthly or something, but I didn't put it there	02:50
luke	very strange	02:50
nmorse	I didn't like the stability either really, or the difficulty in configuring things	02:50
nmorse	went back to FreeBSD for stability and 'make config'	02:51
luke	are you running kubuntu at the moment?	02:51
luke	I reacon it's going to take all week to compile kde :p	02:52
nmorse	On my laptop	02:52
nmorse	Compiling KDE takes about 4 hours on my Athlon XP 2500+ with 1 GB of RAM	02:52
luke	haha this is a k6	02:53
luke	450mhz :p	02:53
nmorse	I remember running linux on a 450 mHz computer with 128 MB of RAM	02:53
nmorse	KDE was the slowest thing ever	02:53
luke	stink..	02:53
nmorse	But the new 3.4 is pretty darn fast	02:53
nmorse	I have no idea how fast on that though	02:54
luke	well I'll see in a week :p	02:54
KaiL	luke: how much RAM?	02:54
luke	128	02:54
KaiL	ugs	02:54
nmorse	You should probably run something else for a server anyway	02:54
luke	yeah maybe.	02:55
KaiL	compiling KDE on a K6-2/450 + 128MiB RAM?	02:55
KaiL	you are silly :)	02:55
luke	haha	02:55
=== KaiL has kubuntu for that (and 2 times that RAM ;)
KaiL	oh, and 50mhz more	02:55
nmorse	I really reccomend FreeBSD, despite the compile times	02:55
nmorse	No need for KDE, everything can be done without X11	02:56
nmorse	I actually just SSH in when I need to do something, no keyboard, mouse, or monitor needed	02:56
luke	yeah I could've done without kde, I just want to see how it runs	02:56
KaiL	X on a Server is waste of RAM and of diskspace	02:56
nmorse	Don't fool yourself into thinking Gentoo's KDE is any faster than anyone else's	02:57
nmorse	The optimizations do squat	02:57
incubii	i see no speed increase using gentoo at all	02:57
nmorse	The only reason I used it was non-RPM distro the ATI drivers worked in	02:57
KaiL	<< goes sleeping	02:57
luke	wouldn't it be more stable though. I reacon it would be more stable than kubuntu, I've had too many crashes. kubuntu doesn't like :( I'm sticking with it for a little while longer though	02:58
KaiL	what crashes for you?	02:59
KaiL	konq and kaffeine?	02:59
incubii	if yer gonna do gentoo you mas as well go the whole hog and do LFS instead	02:59
nmorse	Gentoo is not stable, by any stretch of the imagination	02:59
nmorse	I've run it both desktop and server, and I know this from experience	02:59
KaiL	gentoo can't be stable	02:59
luke	I don't use kaffeine, konq crashes, and occasionally the whole thing freezes up	02:59
KaiL	luke: the last is a hardware problem imho	03:00
nmorse	Yeah, it probably is	03:00
nmorse	Hardware problems are responsible for lots of BSOD's in Windows too	03:00
luke	what would cause it then?	03:00
nmorse	When does it crash?	03:00
nmorse	Is it reproducible?	03:00
luke	no particular times, just out of the blue	03:00
nmorse	Defintely sounds like a hardware error	03:01
KaiL	luke: bad RAM, overheated CPU, unstable power supply, overheated graphics chip.....	03:01
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Ken-OhKi	KaiL, It works	03:01
KaiL	bingo	03:01
transgress	man i'm really digging this new mudvayne album	03:01
KaiL	somebody else happy ;)	03:01
KaiL	luke: I have a K6-2 here, which really does every nonsence, you can imagine	03:02
nmorse	luke, try running Ubuntu-memtestx86 when you get to grub after a reboot	03:02
KaiL	but it never freezed ;)	03:02
Ken-OhKi	Now I just wonder: When I was trying to fix up my network through KDE, it asked a pass. I entered the root pass and I got a wrong pass error	03:02
KaiL	Ken-OhKi: your user password	03:02
luke	it isn't overheating, could be power supply I doubt it's memory but I'll run that test to see	03:02
Ken-OhKi	O.O	03:02
Ken-OhKi	sudo (blablabla) requires only the user pass?	03:03
KaiL	luke: which graphics card?	03:03
KaiL	Ken-OhKi: yes and those dialogs too	03:03
luke	gforce 4 mx440	03:03
KaiL	you should never need a root pw	03:03
nmorse	sudo does in fact only require your user pass, and works for everyone according to the sudoers file	03:03
KaiL	luke: hmm, I have a GF2 MX400 there	03:03
luke	I had some problems with that overheating, but I stuck a fan under that, and it's cool	03:04
nmorse	What drivers are you using for the graphics card? NV or Nvidia?	03:04
KaiL	nvidia	03:04
luke	NV I think	03:04
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nmorse	try using the Nvidia ones then	03:04
KaiL	oh, he was asked ;)	03:04
luke	how do I change?	03:05
KaiL	nmorse: what would have been the answer, if he'd ansered "nvidia"? ;)	03:05
rodrigo	hi, can anyone help me? im new to kubuntu and have some mouse problems	03:05
KaiL	+w	03:05
KaiL	rodrigo: then tell us	03:05
nmorse	He couldn't have, Kail	03:05
KaiL	after fighting with this MX510 I should be the mouse expert here g	03:05
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transgress	KaiL: why did you have to fight with it?	03:06
KaiL	nmorse: why not?	03:06
KaiL	transgress: tried to get _all_ buttons to do something usefull	03:06
nmorse	He wouldn't be having that problem	03:06
KaiL	nmorse: known bug?	03:06
transgress	KaiL: oh... did you?	03:06
nmorse	Frequent bug really	03:06
nmorse	I know of it having only used ATI cards	03:06
KaiL	transgress: the sidebuttons are working	03:07
rodrigo	thanks, i have a toshiba satellite A20 series, i need to disable the touchpath taping, i read something about going to xorg.conf and telling it to MaxTabTime 0, but nothing happens with this.. i even comented the hole mouse sections atn the xorg and still have mouse, what can i do?	03:07
transgress	how'd you do that? i really would like to map them to go forward and back in history if possible	03:07
transgress	KaiL: ^	03:07
nmorse	trying that, luke?	03:07
KaiL	rodrigo: uhm, disable the touchpad at all..?	03:08
Ken-OhKi	Does anyone here know anything about the "number odf brody" or something like that? A constant related to human-body "process"	03:08
luke	nmorse: how do I change the drivers?	03:08
rodrigo	no, just the tapping, but in my test i wanted to disable it at all and also nothing happened commenting all the mouse lines at xorg.conf	03:08
KaiL	tapping comes to fast? ;)	03:09
rodrigo	yes, exactlly	03:09
transgress	rodrigo: first you gotta make sure that it is loading as a touchpad and not a regular mouse	03:09
KaiL	transgress: should be done, as we always send the synaprics driver to /dev/psaux	03:09
transgress	/var/log/X.something will tell you... i can't seem to fix it on my lappy because for some reason it doesn't wanna load as a synaptic mouse	03:09
transgress	KaiL: mine doesn't...	03:10
Ken-OhKi	Anyone?	03:10
KaiL	rodrigo: try to install ksynaptics and play a bit with the prefs in that	03:11
KaiL	maybe there's something to get the touchpad behaving as it should	03:11
luke	Ken-Ohki: try the user pass	03:11
transgress	those won't do jack if the mouse isn't loading right...	03:11
luke	Ken-Ohki: wrong thing sorry :p	03:11
Ken-OhKi	Does anyone here know anything about the "number odf brody" or something like that? A constant related to human-body "process"	03:11
luke	nmorse: how do I change the drivers?	03:12
rodrigo	ok, just for the notice, i also read about tpconfig, but ii do tpconfig -1 ad some errores are coming	03:12
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transgress	tpconfig?	03:12
transgress	oh	03:12
rodrigo	atal:	03:12
rodrigo	No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad device found	03:12
nmorse	you just install the nvidia-glx package and reconfigure x.org	03:12
KaiL	...before I'll break somebodys system g	03:12
transgress	rodrigo: probably having the same problem as me then... i still haven't found a fix	03:12
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rodrigo	What the F!"# LOL!!!	03:13
nmorse	http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto is the site for you, luke	03:13
luke	thanks	03:13
transgress	luke: you trying to install ati?	03:14
luke	transgress: nah nvidia drivers	03:14
transgress	oh	03:14
transgress	nm then	03:14
rodrigo	whats the command to run ksynaptics, there seem to be no ksynaptics even i have done apt-get install ksynaptics	03:14
transgress	iuno	03:15
luke	rodrigo: you mean kynaptic?	03:16
transgress	luke: no... he is talking about the synaptics touchpad program	03:16
luke	ok :p	03:16
rodrigo	nop	03:17
rodrigo	LOL	03:17
rodrigo	so transgress, you're now used to the freaking taping?? LOL!	03:18
transgress	rodrigo: yeah sort of...	03:18
rodrigo	i just hate it	03:18
transgress	rodrigo: i really actually hate it, but can't figure out how to fix it	03:18
nmorse	I just turn the touchpad off by default and use a USB mouse	03:18
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transgress	but i intend on getting a wireless mouse for it soon... but since i use it in bed a lot that won't help	03:18
nmorse	Then when I don't have my mouse with me (like on an airplane) I swap xorg.conf files	03:19
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nmorse	I'm considering using coldplug and some scripts to do this for me	03:19
transgress	i don't even have to switch xorg.conf's to use a usb mouse	03:19
transgress	it just works when i plug it in	03:19
nmorse	No, but you do if you want the touchpad turned off at the same time	03:19
nmorse	Only one mouse at a time for me	03:20
rodrigo	nmorse but do you know how to disable the taping? i dont care at all the hole touchpad, but the taping is horrible	03:20
transgress	actually... i can turn the touchpad off and the usb still work... w/o changing xorgs	03:20
rodrigo	how do you turn the touchpad off?	03:20
transgress	rodrigo: as my typing teacher would say "don't rest your palms"	03:20
rodrigo	LOL!!!!!	03:21
nmorse	You open xorg.conf, comment out all the lines for that mouse device, then change it from /dev/mouse to /dev/usb/mouse1 or some such to switch to your other mouse	03:21
rodrigo	nmorse, i just commented all the lines that have something to do with any kind of mouse, and still have the touchpad	03:21
transgress	i really do think that is overkill... because i am betting he can plug in the usb mouse, turn off the touchpad and have the usb mouse work	03:21
nmorse	Yeah, but you have to turn off the touchpad first	03:22
nmorse	Which is the fun part, as 2.6 kernels lump all mice together in one device	03:22
transgress	how do you mean?	03:22
nmorse	The key is to make x.org ask for only one mouse, such as /dev/input/mouse1	03:22
nmorse	not /dev/mouse	03:23
transgress	mine asks for /dev/input/mice	03:23
nmorse	Anyway it does it, you should configure it to the specific device if you don't want both	03:23
transgress	iuno... maybe i'm just lucky...	03:23
nmorse	When you plug in the USB mouse, does the touchpad automatically switch off?	03:23
nmorse	Didn't think so, hence the trouble I went through	03:24
nmorse	As I hate typing and having the cursor jump about wildly at the same time	03:24
rodrigo	i just did the test, i pluged my usb mous and have the 2 mouse on, the touchpad and the usb	03:25
transgress	nmorse: no it doesn't automatically switch off... but if i hit the power button for it, the usb mouse works fine	03:25
nmorse	There's no power button on my touchpad	03:25
rodrigo	neither in mine	03:25
transgress	oh	03:25
transgress	well i guess the power button makes me lucky then heh	03:26
nmorse	So just comment out the InputDevice lines for the Synaptics Touchpad and change the /dev/input/mice line to /dev/input/mouse1	03:26
rodrigo	the fact is.. i cant turn off my touchpad in anyways.. commenting all the xorg.conf doesnt turn it off	03:26
nmorse	Then change the whole server config to switch to the USB mouse too	03:26
nmorse	Save copies of it both ways and use whichever one you need	03:27
nmorse	You haven't changed the /dev/input/mice line	03:27
nmorse	Do you have sshd running, rodrigo?	03:27
rodrigo	yes	03:27
nmorse	Nevermind	03:27
nmorse	In your xorg.conf file, are there two InputDevice sections?	03:27
rodrigo	yes.. both are commented	03:28
nmorse	Commenting both shuts off all the mice, doesn't it?	03:28
nmorse	Or have you not restarted X since that last change?	03:28
rodrigo	i have noticed something, when i started the x, the system uncomented my lines.. is this possible?	03:28
nmorse	Shouldn't be	03:29
nmorse	Have you saved the file back to disk?	03:29
rodrigo	yea... LOL... ok, hold on some minutes so i shut down x, and try again.. BRB	03:29
luke	if I can a connection to a computer through ssh on this computer, and I close that connection while doing something? will it carry on doing that?	03:31
nmorse	probably not	03:31
luke	didn't think so	03:32
pussfeller	luke screen	03:32
luke	??	03:32
nmorse	screen will do it	03:32
pussfeller	you need screen to keep a shell open and running if you log out	03:32
nmorse	Screen lets you make sessions you can detach and then reattach too	03:33
pussfeller	its worth the learning curve	03:33
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luke	so install screen?	03:33
nmorse	I can't believe I didn't think of it	03:33
nmorse	how'd it go, rodrigo?	03:33
rodrigo	well, commented the lines, and still have mouse..	03:33
rodrigo	i dont know what is going on.. is it possible that it is taking the configuration from some other place?	03:34
nmorse	Did you change the /dev/input/mice line	03:34
nmorse	?	03:34
rodrigo	its commented.. LOL!!!	03:35
luke	pussfeller: how do I use screen?	03:35
nmorse	No, only comment one device section (the synaptics touchpad one)	03:35
nmorse	Then alter the other line to read /dev/input/mouse1	03:36
nmorse	Hang on	03:36
pussfeller	luke, you will have to find a tut	03:36
luke	ok. thanks	03:37
nmorse	okay, did you get that Rodrigo?	03:38
rodrigo	sure, BRB	03:38
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luke	anyone have any idea how to use screen to transfer one terminal session to another? so I can logout?	03:43
rodrigo	hi... nmorse, that worked, my touchpad is disabled at all,	03:43
nmorse	It did work then?	03:43
rodrigo	yea,,, but now what do you think i can do to just disable te tapping, i like my touchpad but i hate the taping..	03:44
nmorse	taping?	03:45
nmorse	Like when you hit it with your palm while typing?	03:45
rodrigo	exactly...	03:45
nmorse	Does your touchpad have a palm detection extension?	03:46
rodrigo	no idea..	03:47
nmorse	Okay	03:47
rodrigo	well.. i guess no one has a clue about this.. this freaking touchpad...	03:49
nmorse	ksynaptics stuff didn't work for you?	03:49
rodrigo	cant start it.. LOL...	03:50
rodrigo	there is no ksynaptic command	03:50
nmorse	I noticed that	03:51
nmorse	I'm trying to figure out how to make it run	03:51
nmorse	I'm also trying to figure out if the Kubuntu mouse theme is the same as the Ubuntu mouse theme	03:51
rodrigo	you're on ubuntu?	03:52
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nmorse	It's a kcm	03:52
nmorse	That means it's in KControl	03:52
nmorse	K Menu -> Control Center	03:53
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nmorse	Peripherals -> Touch Pad	03:53
nmorse	That should help you out, rodrigo	03:53
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nmorse	a whole tab devoted to tapping	03:53
nmorse	Just uncheck the box	03:53
rodrigo	yea..., restarting x with the synaptic on.. brb to see if it helps	03:54
rodrigo	thanks	03:54
nmorse	That my friends, is why I normally charge tech support by the hour	03:54
nmorse	Could have mad $30 off that one	03:54
nmorse	s/mad/made	03:54
luke	anyone have any idea how to use screen to transfer one terminal session to another? so I can logout?	03:57
nmorse	You just detach it somehow	03:58
nmorse	Not really sure	03:58
nmorse	try man screen	03:58
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rodrigo	nmorse, so you think i should restart after i changed the options at the kcontrol?, i just changed it to no taping and nothin happens, still enabled the taping	03:59
nmorse	Did you hit apply or ok?	03:59
rodrigo	yes, i just entered agian and its still there	03:59
rodrigo	the use tapping is unchecked	04:00
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nmorse	We still don	04:00
nmorse	't know if you have the palm detection installed	04:00
nmorse	But the tapping behavior should be fixed on a restart of X, probably	04:01
rodrigo	ok.. restarting for the last time.. one second..	04:02
khagberg	hey folks, anyone have experience with kmail and spambayes	04:02
transgress	nmorse: what do you use for your jabber client?	04:02
nmorse	Usually gaim, why?	04:02
transgress	nmorse: because it seems some people using kopete are having the same problem with not being able to send messages to other people	04:03
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transgress	do you remember what error it gave you when trying to send me a message?	04:03
rodrigo	i just give up!!!! nothing is happening..	04:03
nmorse	Yeah	04:03
rodrigo	where can i post my problem to the kubuntu guys??	04:04
nmorse	Try the community forums on Ubuntulinux.org	04:04
nmorse	There should be a Kubuntu forum somewhere	04:05
rodrigo	ok.. thanks a lot!!!	04:05
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nmorse	There is a Kubuntu forum there somewhere, right?	04:08
luke	yup	04:08
nmorse	Good, didn't want to send him on a goose chase	04:09
luke	haha he might have ended up making one	04:09
nmorse	would have been quite funny, really	04:09
nmorse	Particularly when the Kubuntu devs found out	04:10
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luke	hehe	04:10
khagberg	anyone have any update on the knetworkconf conflicts with kdelibs-data problem, like when it will be fixed	04:10
transgress	khagberg: /topic	04:11
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luke	how much diskspace do you think kde takes up?	04:15
nmorse	about 250MB I'd bet, maybe more	04:15
nmorse	Maybe a lot more	04:15
luke	my system is only 3 gigs without all my personal files, I have gnome on here aswell	04:16
transgress	luke: don't do it then	04:17
luke	transgress: don't do what?	04:17
transgress	fuck... with 3 gigs i'd run blackbox and take gnome off...	04:17
transgress	don't put kde on there	04:17
nmorse	Anyone know how where pure-ftpd makes the chrooted anonymous directory?	04:17
luke	no no thats how much diskspace my system is taking up	04:17
transgress	oh	04:19
transgress	hehe install unreal2k4... that'll take up some space	04:19
thoreauputic	luke: when I did " apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" it downloaded about 100MB - I don't really know how much that expands to when installed, but apt will tell you	04:20
nmorse	How big is the drive?	04:20
luke	ok thanks. I have 80 gigs	04:20
luke	just curious :p	04:20
luke	transgress: whats unreal2k4?	04:21
transgress	BLASPHEMY	04:21
transgress	unreal tournament 2004... it's a computer game heh	04:22
luke	can you get it for linux..?	04:22
transgress	hell yeah... works for linux out of the box... if your hardware can handle it	04:22
luke	I thought it was just a windows game	04:23
transgress	nopers	04:23
nmorse	UT2004 and Doom 3 are both available for Linux	04:24
nmorse	Same with Quake 3	04:24
nmorse	and Neverwinter Nights	04:24
transgress	yar... although i rarely play games anymore... find doing geek stuff more fun these days	04:25
nmorse	Like making sound work on an eMachines laptop?	04:27
nmorse	the ali sound card works fine under windows, but not linux	04:29
nmorse	Even though the driver modules are loaded	04:29
transgress	my sound works on my lappy, but it's an hp	04:29
transgress	nmorse: might ask b2s in #ubuntu about that however, i do believe he runs an emachines lappy	04:29
transgress	nmorse: run everything through arts... keeps stuff from conflicting	04:30
transgress	nmorse: what kind of soundcard? i8x0?	04:30
transgress	nforce?	04:30
nmorse	ali	04:30
transgress	oh	04:30
nmorse	m5475	04:30
transgress	yeah well i'd still bug him see if he can help...	04:30
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transgress	nmorse: also make sure other sound modules aren't loaded... i had that problem getting my sound to work... conflicting modules were running	04:31
nmorse	Only one sound card in this laptop	04:31
luke	I had a problem with that, the kubuntu sound system was using arts and with that going I couldn't use xmms or anything that used sound, so I disabled the sound system, and the other programs that needed sound worked	04:31
Ken-OhKi	I logged in KDE and Im trying to set up my network devices. When I try to go in admin-mode, it ask my password	04:31
Ken-OhKi	but the damned thing don't open the option	04:32
Ken-OhKi	what to do?	04:32
transgress	luke: configure xmms to use arts... or use juk or amarok	04:32
transgress	luke: unless you have a good soundcard that has an onboard mixer	04:32
luke	amarok had the same problem	04:32
nmorse	b2s has been idle for over 2 days	04:33
transgress	haha neato	04:33
transgress	iuno... maybe he's been busy	04:33
nmorse	Great	04:35
transgress	nmorse: so no sound works at all?	04:36
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nmorse	none	04:37
transgress	umm for some reason... next to my clock... it now says moscow	04:38
transgress	anyone know why?	04:39
luke	haha I had that problem with xandros kde, it changes the timezone randomly sometimes..	04:39
nmorse	I hate when that happens	04:41
nmorse	I think it's a hidden hotkey or something	04:41
Ken-OhKi	I logged in KDE and Im trying to set up my network devices. When I try to go in admin-mode, it ask my password	04:43
Ken-OhKi	but the damned thing don't open the option	04:43
Ken-OhKi	what to do?	04:43
transgress	but there wasn't even anything by it prior to this	04:43
transgress	it didn't say a location	04:44
transgress	ah there we go	04:44
Ken-OhKi	...	04:44
luke	Ken-OhKi: in the control center?	04:44
Ken-OhKi	yes	04:44
luke	look in ubuntu forums, I don't remember the link, but I had the same problem and it fixed it. it's in there somewhere	04:45
Ken-OhKi	I tried both my pass and root pass but none work	04:45
luke	it's a bug in the control center	04:45
luke	if you can't be bothered finding it, run sudo kcontrol	04:46
poopinaboot	yeah, thats what i did	04:50
poopinaboot	sudo kcontrol	04:50
poopinaboot	and all was kosher	04:50
luke	I fixed the bug somehow, I just don't remember how	04:51
luke	it	04:51
luke	it's in the ubuntu forums	04:51
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_nate	bah, not enough trouble to actually go fix it	04:53
luke	yeah	04:53
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_nate	gah, I have nothing to do anyways	04:55
_nate	looks like there isn't much of a solution, at least not a permanent one	04:58
_nate	just a lot of people swinging large sticks in the dark trying to hit a fruit fly	04:58
luke	it is in there. I have no problems with it now	04:59
_nate	gah	04:59
_nate	something about deleting kdecache	04:59
_nate	and some people reinstall kcontrol	04:59
luke	yeah thats the one	04:59
luke	not reinstalling kcontrol..	05:00
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_nate	it works now	05:01
_nate	but now my whole kde menu is messed up	05:01
_nate	wait, its back	05:01
luke	what did you do?	05:02
_nate	deleted the kdecache	05:02
_nate	and now the admin thing works	05:02
luke	ok thats good.	05:02
_nate	/var/tmp/kdecache-<username>/	05:02
_nate	just remove that directory and its contents	05:02
_nate	i need to remove all these blasted gnome programs	05:03
_nate	they clutter my menus	05:03
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luke	did you "Check the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file. Somewhere in the file it says "RootLogin" - this should be set to true."	05:04
_nate	anyone know what ones I need to remove?	05:04
_nate	oh, no	05:04
luke	after clearing the cache	05:04
_nate	i don't want that	05:04
_nate	I can log in using the admin feature now	05:04
_nate	Without doing that	05:04
_nate	What packages do I need to remove to in effect remove gnome?	05:04
luke	whatever you want to	05:05
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luke	find the command in the kde menu editor, then remove what you want	05:05
_nate	ugh, there's so many	05:06
_nate	is there a cd that installs kde only from the getgo?	05:06
luke	you can download the iso	05:06
_nate	just found it, thanks	05:07
luke	np	05:07
_nate	gonna take a while	05:08
_nate	but its worth it	05:08
_nate	gnome is poop	05:08
luke	too right :D	05:08
_nate	i used to like it	05:08
luke	never have. you can't really change much	05:09
_nate	i like gnome-terminal better than kde's junk	05:09
_nate	but thats about it	05:09
nmorse	I remember Gnome as Alpha software	05:09
nmorse	Too much like ICEwm then	05:09
_nate	haha	05:09
nmorse	Never usable in the 1.x days	05:09
nmorse	The 2.6 and up aren't that bad though, really	05:09
_nate	I hated KDE back when I tried FC1	05:09
_nate	it was ugly	05:09
nmorse	except for using OO.o in	05:09
_nate	but NOW its preeeettttty	05:09
nmorse	FC1 is ugly	05:09
nmorse	FC1 uses its own custom theme called Bluecurve that makes KDE and GNOME look identical	05:10
nmorse	And GNOME is ugly	05:10
_nate	Yeah, I'd still use OO.o though	05:10
nmorse	OO.o-kde maybe	05:10
_nate	there's one for kde?	05:10
nmorse	I just like the KDE file dialog and the native widgets	05:10
luke	using the gnome apps in kde they look like crap	05:10
nmorse	Use the Qt-GTK theme	05:10
nmorse	It's what I do	05:10
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sirukin	do so good.	05:11
nmorse	openoffice.org-kde is the package to install	05:11
nmorse	openoffice.org2-kde exists as well	05:11
_nate	are they good?	05:11
_nate	wish i could get rid of konquere and make them use krusader in its place	05:12
mrmanic	I like konquerer	05:14
_nate	buggy poop	05:14
_nate	and slow	05:14
mrmanic	it works pretty well for me	05:14
_nate	try krusader	05:15
_nate	its awesome	05:15
mrmanic	it doesn't do much for me, honestly	05:17
mrmanic	the double-pane browsing thing	05:17
_nate	Its efficient	05:17
mrmanic	efficient for what?	05:18
mrmanic	copying stuff from one place to another?	05:18
mrmanic	I do the same thing with multiple panes in konquerer	05:19
mrmanic	but it's not the default	05:19
mrmanic	which I'm happy with.	05:19
nmorse	You know I could grow to like Krusader if it didn't tell me a dir was a dir in little tags	05:19
luke	haha	05:19
luke	im downloading it now	05:20
_nate	???	05:20
nmorse	I don't need a size tag for everything or I'd use screen and ls -l for all file management	05:20
nmorse	that's what it looks like	05:20
luke	if it doesn't crash whats wrong with it:p	05:20
nmorse	Exactly like ls -l in two panes	05:21
mrmanic	only clickier.	05:21
nmorse	Midnight Commander, if you will	05:21
_nate	haha, yeah	05:21
_nate	its small and fast	05:21
_nate	and its efficient for what i use a file manager for	05:21
mrmanic	oh	05:21
mrmanic	ok	05:21
nmorse	You mean ls -l and cp	05:21
nmorse	Spatial browsing would be good for you too	05:22
_nate	??	05:22
nmorse	Two little list windows to show the whole hierarchy	05:22
nmorse	What do you do anyway?	05:22
_nate	I don't use a file manager that much	05:22
mrmanic	I do	05:22
nmorse	I really don't either	05:23
mrmanic	Mostly to preview my 20g of pornographic photos and cartoons.	05:23
nmorse	Konsole is all I need	05:23
_nate	Mostly cli for me, unless its something annoying to do in the command line	05:23
mrmanic	j/k	05:23
_nate	heh mrmanic	05:23
mrmanic	cp a lot of random files is a pain.	05:23
_nate	yep	05:23
nmorse	on 20g, crap what's a big hard drive for then?	05:23
_nate	thats what i use it for, mostly	05:23
nmorse	s/only/on	05:23
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mrmanic	haha	05:24
_nate	but i rarely have to do that	05:24
_nate	I use gnome-terminal	05:24
_nate	I don't like konsole	05:24
mrmanic	I used to like gnome-terminal a lot	05:24
mrmanic	but I came around to konsole	05:24
mrmanic	I also read the other day that konsole is more efficient.	05:24
luke	how so?	05:25
nmorse	Konsole is nice indeed	05:25
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nmorse	I like the ability to have multiple tabs open, make screen sessions, etc.	05:25
_nate	nmorse: multiple tabs is possible in gnometerminal too	05:26
_nate	ctrl + shift + t	05:26
mrmanic	http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1034	05:26
mrmanic	luke: that url explains their methodology. Not a great test, but fast and simple.	05:26
mrmanic	Is there a way to use dcop to type stuff into konsole?	05:27
luke	cool	05:27
nmorse	Yeah, but nothing's as nice in gnome-terminal really	05:27
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nmorse	DCOP stuff in Konsole? Like what?	05:28
kkathman	hi all :)	05:28
nmorse	hey kkathman	05:28
kkathman	hello there :)	05:28
mrmanic	hi kkathman	05:29
_nate	awww, tranparent konsole doesn't move the background image till you release	05:29
kkathman	howdy mrmanic :)	05:29
_nate	not that thats important	05:29
_nate	but it was cool in gnome-terminal	05:29
mrmanic	nmorse: I want the ability to type something into my mutt session in konsole using dcop	05:29
nmorse	Huh?	05:29
mrmanic	nmorse: ok, here's the scenario	05:30
mrmanic	using korn to check how many new messages I have in various folders	05:30
mrmanic	and running mutt in a konsole window	05:30
mrmanic	I want to be able to a) figure out which konsole window is the right one and b) have korn make a dcop call when I click on it to switch to the correct desktop and show the konsole window, AND type in the command to show the correct maildir in mutt.	05:31
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mrmanic	I couldn't figure out how to do that.	05:31
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mrmanic	I imagine it would probably be a security problem if you could do that.	05:31
shiv	hi	05:32
shiv	THIS IS THE BEST LINUX EVER	05:32
shiv	UNBELIEVABLE	05:32
_nate	ooh, i could get used to the double-click for a new tab	05:32
kkathman	lol	05:32
transgress	umm	05:32
transgress	no caps	05:32
shiv	I know	05:32
kkathman	hey transgress :)	05:32
_nate	lol shiv	05:32
shiv	but I want to shout	05:32
transgress	awllo\	05:32
shiv	I have struggled since last 2 years to find the right one	05:32
transgress	2 years?	05:33
shiv	I am using toshiba p35 6091	05:33
shiv	17 inch wide screen	05:33
nmorse	Ah, another laptop user who's been won over	05:33
shiv	beats windows out of the box	05:33
shiv	fonts are amazing	05:33
nmorse	I myself have been won over, buy my sound doesn't work	05:33
shiv	resoultion is amazing	05:33
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shiv	my sound doesn't work eitther yet	05:34
shiv	but that could be dealt with	05:34
shiv	I hae nver seen such clarity ever	05:34
nmorse	is it an ali card?	05:34
mrmanic	I'm actually not very happy with kubuntu, but that's mostly b/c I can't figure out the correct combination of acpi-support stuff and virgin sacrifice to get my laptop to resume correctly from s3 suspend.	05:34
shiv	thats grek to me	05:34
_nate	mrmanic: yeah, not a problem for me	05:35
nmorse	open Konsole and type lspci \| grep ali for me, will you, shiv?	05:35
shiv	ok	05:35
shiv	is that ali in the end?	05:35
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nmorse	make that grep ALi	05:35
mrmanic	_nate: how not?	05:35
nmorse	lspci \| grep ALi	05:36
nmorse	any output at all, shiv?	05:36
shiv	nothing happens	05:37
nmorse	thanks anyway	05:37
shiv	?	05:37
mr_roboto	mrmanic: same here. i get a black screen trying to wake from suspend. and a crash trying to wake from hibernate on my laptop	05:38
shiv	how do i get sound to work though?	05:38
nmorse	got to go	05:38
mrmanic	mr_roboto: I'm pretty sure my problem is fglrx, but I haven't successfully gotten rid of it :\	05:39
mr_roboto	mrmanic: was just thinking of that. i'm using fglrx too and i know someone else installed the default driver for their ati and they were able to suspend.	05:39
transgress	huh what about fglrxxxXX?	05:39
transgress	err stupid keyboard is acting weird	05:39
mr_roboto	i really want it all though, fast 3d and suspend/hibernate	05:39
shiv	how do i get to see my fat32 drive?	05:40
transgress	mount -t vfat /dev/hda# /mnt/fatcrap	05:40
mrmanic	transgress: fglrx is the ati binary driver for their newer cards on linux.	05:40
_nate	mrmanic: not a problem for me cuz i don't care to do it	05:40
transgress	mrmanic: i know that... what was the problem with it	05:40
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mrmanic	transgress: I can't get suspend to ram working	05:40
mr_roboto	transgress: on a laptop? can you also suspend or hibernate properly?	05:41
transgress	umm... i can hibernate... haven't done suspent... and no not on the lappy	05:41
transgress	suspend	05:41
mrmanic	fglrx on laptops seems to have some serious quirks	05:42
transgress	i wish i could get hibernate to work on my lappy... it's got nvidia...	05:42
shiv	where is firefox?	05:42
transgress	eh shiv?	05:42
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mrmanic	shiv: which mozilla-firefox	05:42
transgress	firefox doesn't install by default on kubuntu... you can apt it... i didn't because the freaking package was compiled with gnome support	05:42
mr_roboto	my laptop would hibernate just fine on Suse 9.1. i'll have to play with it more in ubuntu	05:43
mrmanic	if it's not there,	05:43
mrmanic	sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox	05:43
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transgress	i think ima put fedora core 4 on my lappy when it's released...	05:43
mrmanic	transgress: I found that kinda lame until I got the gtk2-engine-qt	05:43
mrmanic	now I'm happy enough b/c it looks like everything else, or close enough.	05:44
transgress	mrmanic: i don't like it because it pulls in like 45 megs of gnome crap and i don't want gnome-base on this system... it's why i installed kubuntu and not ubuntu	05:44
mrmanic	I see	05:44
mrmanic	I have a big HD	05:44
mrmanic	and loads of memory	05:44
transgress	i have plenty of room	05:44
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transgress	and plenty of ram	05:44
transgress	but it's such a waste and it was ignorant to compile it with gnome support	05:44
transgress	that should've been a separate package	05:45
Ken-Oh-Ki	Does anyone here know how to configure a PPPOE connection and make it auto-connect?	05:45
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mrmanic	transgress: perhaps a package like mozilla-firefox-gnome-support?!	05:46
transgress	mrmanic: yeah... i know... and i'm also aware it's the same package as mozilla-firefox	05:47
mrmanic	lame	05:47
mrmanic	I think kubuntu is pretty cool	05:47
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mrmanic	needs a little polish, though.	05:47
transgress	yeah i'm just running the binary off of mozilla.org right now	05:47
Ken-Oh-Ki	???	05:47
mrmanic	I just use konquerer most of the time.	05:48
transgress	??? doesn't tell us shit that you're asking	05:48
mrmanic	Ken-Oh-Ki: I have no idea	05:48
transgress	i use konq for everything but two sites that it won't work with	05:48
Ken-Oh-Ki	DAMN! kubuntu messed up my system clock	05:48
transgress	umm... how?	05:48
Ken-Oh-Ki	this is the problem if linux: until you make it run 100%, it give you tons of headache	05:49
kakalto	Ken-Oh-Ki, not linux's problem :)	05:50
Ken-Oh-Ki	kkkakaltooo: ...	05:50
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mrmanic	Ken-Oh-Ki: It's all in how you look at it. I see it as more of a challenge.	05:50
mrmanic	Kinda like whack-a-mole	05:50
kakalto	the only way you get a headache in whack-a-mole is to hit yourself in the head :P	05:51
Ken-Oh-Ki	in windows I gave 5 clicks and I was online	05:51
shiv	it says in kynapti that mozilla is installed i can't find it though..?	05:51
Ken-Oh-Ki	in linux I can't even choose pppoe	05:51
choop	hello all	05:52
kakalto	shiv, go to a terminal and type "mozilla" ?	05:52
kakalto	hello, choop	05:52
shiv	comand not found	05:52
kakalto	Ken-Oh-Ki, actually, there's a program there somewhere	05:52
choop	brand new to linux (other than ssh to webserver stuff) and just about to download kubuntu	05:52
choop	was that a good rec?	05:52
Ken-Oh-Ki	this is the problem it's always 'somewhere'	05:52
kakalto	hehe	05:52
Ken-Oh-Ki	cause this linux didn't took over windows yet	05:52
mrmanic	Ken-Oh-Ki: try apt-cache search pppoe	05:52
Ken-Oh-Ki	3 years ago was like this	05:53
Ken-Oh-Ki	and seem that it will keep all this way	05:53
kakalto	Ken-Oh-Ki, google is my best friend. Is google your best friend too?	05:53
kakalto	hint hint	05:53
mrmanic	google is my right hand	05:53
shiv	firefox	05:53
Ken-Oh-Ki	<(kakalto)>< no... he doesn't find anyshit to me	05:53
kakalto	shiv, you installed mozilla-firefox?	05:53
shiv	i just installed the CD	05:53
shiv	in teh kynaptic it says its there	05:53
shiv	already installed	05:54
kakalto	shiv, if you want mozilla-firefox, then go to a terminal and type mozilla-firefox	05:54
shiv	does not show up in the internet list though	05:54
kakalto	that's something different	05:54
shiv	same...command not found	05:54
kakalto	hmm	05:54
mrmanic	then it's not installed	05:54
mrmanic	or your paths are hosed	05:54
mrmanic	type in sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox	05:55
mr_roboto	apt-get or kynaptic should have put it in /usr/bin though	05:55
shiv	Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.	05:55
shiv	This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or	05:55
shiv	is only available from another source	05:55
mrmanic	from everything I've read kynaptic is a bit buggy.	05:55
mrmanic	!	05:55
mrmanic	odd	05:55
shiv	Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate	05:56
shiv	what does that mean?	05:56
mrmanic	means you're hitting the wrong apt repositories	05:56
shiv	do i need to set them up manually?	05:57
mrmanic	I do not remember	05:57
mrmanic	I did.	05:57
mrmanic	I would sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD source, and then sudo apt-get update and try again	05:58
shiv	how do i comment out the cd source? what commands	06:00
shiv	I am new	06:00
shiv	Microsoft slave :(	06:00
mrmanic	oh	06:00
mrmanic	the # sign is the comment character	06:00
mrmanic	once you get into vi, you'll need to type "i" to get into insert mode, which will allow you to edit the text.	06:01
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choop	but first navigate to that line	06:01
choop	before you type "i" use "j" to go down one line at a time	06:01
mrmanic	oh, I just use the arrow keys to move around.	06:02
mrmanic	but good call	06:02
choop	well, there's that too. i'm so used to vi over ssh (putty, doesn't support arrow keys) that i always use hjkl	06:02
mrmanic	oh, gotcha	06:03
mrmanic	I had the same problem with vi on solaris, IIRC	06:03
choop	i'm a newbie to desktop linux, though, and will probably be installing kubuntu tonight if it downloads fast enough	06:03
mrmanic	word	06:04
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choop	good call? should i go with a different distro first?	06:04
_nate	gnite	06:04
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mrmanic	kubuntu is kinda cool	06:04
_nate_sleeping	kubuntu is pimp	06:04
choop	i've no doubt it's both cool and pimp.	06:04
mrmanic	I don't think it's quite ready for prime time.	06:04
_nate_sleeping	meh, its better than regular ubuntu IMO	06:05
_nate_sleeping	But I'm not a typical user	06:05
choop	is it right for someone so new to desktop linux? the wife doesn't know the difference between linux and macOS, so i also have to consider her needs.	06:05
_nate_sleeping	choop: ubuntu is more developed, if you wanna go the safe route	06:05
mrmanic	_nate_sleeping: I came straight from debian unstable (with my own personal mods)	06:06
_nate_sleeping	mrmanic: ha	06:06
choop	and then this problem: i have knoppix on a liveCD and introduced her to the main paradigms of KDE	06:06
mrmanic	I was pretty happy with it, but wanted to try this thing people were raving about.	06:06
_nate_sleeping	choop: gnome isn't so different that she won't be able to get it	06:06
choop	that's what i was worried about	06:06
_nate_sleeping	choop: comparitively the same	06:07
_nate_sleeping	choop: and more stable for typical desktop use, IMO	06:07
mrmanic	choop: if you want to go with kde, kubuntu will probably be fine.	06:07
choop	gnome looks more like mac, kde more like windows	06:07
mrmanic	there are a few annoying quirks about kubuntu, but no real showstoppers that I've found.	06:07
_nate_sleeping	choop: but kubuntu isn't really "unstable" in the truest sense, it just has a few quirks	06:07
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shiv	no luck	06:07
shiv	:(	06:07
choop	she's aware that the next couple weeks are going to be volatile as far as the OS goes.	06:08
_nate_sleeping	mrmanic: quirks for us = OH MAN SOMETHINGS BROKEN	06:08
_nate_sleeping	for others	06:08
_nate_sleeping	choop: get macosx theme for gnome	06:08
_nate_sleeping	choop: it looks exactly like it	06:08
_nate_sleeping	more or less	06:08
choop	neither of us is a mac user.	06:08
_nate_sleeping	oh, thought she new MacOS	06:09
choop	that is what i'm worried about	06:09
_nate_sleeping	oh, once you get everything installed that you're gonna use, its easy as pie	06:09
choop	no, she doesn't know the difference between mac and linux, because we've been win2k for years	06:09
_nate_sleeping	most linux users like to fiddle and try things and change all the time though	06:10
_nate_sleeping	so thats when linux gets more difficult to use	06:10
choop	took me months to get windows the way i liked it. i imagine it's going to be a lot of fun getting linux to the same point	06:10
mrmanic	choop: that's the right attitude	06:10
mrmanic	choop: I did the same thing	06:10
_nate_sleeping	choop: yeah, you won't stop, it'll get really addicting. Your wife is gonna miss you	06:11
choop	well, i've been exposed to linux for a few years, but only on the web servers at my offices	06:11
_nate_sleeping	choop: mine does	06:11
choop	heh	06:11
mrmanic	choop: tried windowblinds, litestep, etc, trying to get windows working just right. then I realized what I really wanted was linux.	06:11
choop	plus, my dad's an instructor for IBM: both aix and redhat	06:11
_nate_sleeping	mrmanic: so true, so true	06:11
choop	mrmanic: tried all those. i'm sure linux is what i'm looking for.	06:12
_nate_sleeping	choop: well, you picked a good version of linux to start with	06:12
choop	i just need an easy and reliable distro	06:12
_nate_sleeping	choop: I started with Fedora Core 1, and man oh man was that a nightmare	06:12
choop	should i mention that i've been a slashdot lurker since like 98?	06:12
_nate_sleeping	lol	06:12
mrmanic	debian-based distros are easy and often reliable.	06:12
choop	i heard fc1 was terrible	06:12
_nate_sleeping	and you haven't used linux?	06:12
_nate_sleeping	i wanna try gentoo	06:12
_nate_sleeping	for the challenge	06:12
choop	no. never had the space or ability to make a dual-boot system, nor the opportunity to move from windows	06:13
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_nate_sleeping	ahh, i see	06:13
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choop	now that i'm consulting, however, and have a laptop given me by the company i contract to... :D	06:13
mrmanic	choop: I'd recommend giving kubuntu a try. Either kubuntu or linspire.	06:13
Ken-Oh-Ki	How to share my connection?	06:14
choop	well, i've already downloaded 160M of the AMD install iso	06:14
choop	lord i wish i had a beer	06:15
mrmanic	Ken-Oh-Ki: if you don't get any answers, try googling.	06:15
mrmanic	Ken-Oh-Ki: that's what I do, it works great for me.	06:15
choop	or try #ubuntu	06:15
_nate_sleeping	Ken-Oh-Ki: Wish I could help	06:15
choop	i couldn't get knoppix to recognize my ethernet card. it could see it, but it couldn't use it.	06:16
choop	any ideas?	06:16
kakalto	driver?	06:16
choop	i might have to go through the same thing with kubuntu...	06:16
choop	running off liveCD, couldn't get the driver	06:16
kakalto	I tried knoppix, but it didn't have the driver for my ethernet card, so I couldn't get internet	06:16
choop	no network connection, couldn't apt-get	06:17
choop	rock>me>hardplace	06:17
choop	how's kubuntu's list of drivers?	06:18
choop	funny thing is, it's an 8139, and modprobe 8139too didn't see it	06:18
choop	look at me talking like i know what i'm saying	06:18
mrmanic	nice	06:18
choop	i had some fantastic help in the #knoppix channel	06:18
mrmanic	way to talk the talk	06:18
choop	heh	06:18
Ken-Oh-Ki	mrmanic: Im doind it...	06:18
mrmanic	it works in windows?	06:19
choop	yep.	06:19
choop	win2k, no extra driver disk	06:19
mrmanic	odd	06:19
mrmanic	I would have figured the driver would be in the kernal	06:19
mrmanic	er	06:19
mrmanic	kernel	06:19
choop	i think it's manufactured by the "Generic" company	06:19
mrmanic	ha	06:19
Ken-Oh-Ki	What "sudo iptables -t nat -L" should do?	06:19
choop	they make a lot of stuff!	06:19
_nate_sleeping	sometimes stuff doesn't work on the live cd but works on the full install, just something i've experienced	06:20
Ken-Oh-Ki	mmm	06:20
_nate_sleeping	seriously, i need to go to bed	06:21
_nate_sleeping	gnite	06:21
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mrmanic	choop: you might need to mess with some of the module configuration files to get the module to load	06:23
mrmanic	I need to go to bed too	06:23
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Ken-Oh-Ki	What "sudo iptables -t nat -L" should do?	06:23
Ken-Oh-Ki	....	06:26
Ken-Oh-Ki	I think I'll go sleep	06:26
choop	they've gone to bed. i'm a noob. try google, and good luck.	06:26
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choop	goodnight	06:27
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bisley	hi	06:34
kakalto	yo	06:35
bisley	anyone have problems with source http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security	06:35
bisley	?	06:35
bisley	sometimes apt-get update report bzip failed and others say md5sum seems different	06:36
bisley	or something like this	06:36
luke	do you need the source repositries?	06:38
bisley	hmm	06:38
bisley	if you have good repositories? send me ;)	06:38
luke	just don't use the source repositries. thats what I do	06:39
bisley	hmm	06:40
bisley	really dont use source repositories, i mean deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted multiverse universe	06:41
bisley	for binaries not sources	06:41
luke	aye?	06:41
bisley	i try to explain that apt-get update cannot download Packages.gz from security.ubuntu.com main	06:42
bisley	because says that md5sum is different	06:43
bisley	anyone have the same issue?	06:43
luke	guess not. try in ubuntu	06:48
bisley	k	06:48
bisley	thanx	06:48
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gp_aaron	installing kunbuntu-desktop ontop of ubuntu will not replace gnome correct?	06:49
gp_aaron	i will have kde and gnome?	06:49
luke	thats right	06:50
gp_aaron	and it is kde 3.4	06:50
gp_aaron	?	06:50
luke	yup	06:50
gp_aaron	nice	06:50
gp_aaron	thanks	06:50
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Diablo-D3	hrm	06:57
Diablo-D3	I wonder what the name of the programming meta package is	06:57
kakalto	?	07:01
Diablo-D3	??	07:01
kakalto	hehe	07:03
Diablo-D3	theres a meta package that requires gcc, make, autotools, etc	07:06
Diablo-D3	and I cant remember the name of it is	07:06
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transgress	build-essential	07:10
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transgress	hey luke can you do me a favor and tell Diablo-D3 i said it's build-essential or build-essentials	07:11
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luke	ok, but why can't you	07:11
transgress	he has me on ignore	07:12
transgress	because i told him what a dipshit asshat he was	07:12
luke	Diablo-D3: transgress said it's build-essential or build-essentials	07:12
transgress	thanks	07:12
luke	no problem:)	07:13
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luke	how can I restart klauncher?	07:54
transgress	klauncher & ?	07:55
transgress	after killall klauncher	07:55
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luke	it says it's started automatically by kdeinit	07:56
transgress	restart kdeinit then	07:58
Diablo-D3	something involving dcopsomething	07:58
luke	yeah thats the one diablo-d3	08:00
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transgress	not to mention you really suck.	08:00
luke	is there a command that will show me the processors?	08:01
transgress	ps aux	08:01
transgress	wait processors or processes?	08:01
Diablo-D3	cat /sys/cpuinfo ?	08:01
luke	is there a command that will show me the processes	08:02
transgress	cat /proc/cpuinfo	08:02
Diablo-D3	er, /proc/cpuinfo	08:02
transgress	yeah that's ps aux	08:02
transgress	or pstree -p is handier	08:02
Diablo-D3	ps ax?	08:02
luke	ok thanks	08:02
luke	wait I'll just restart my desktop..	08:02
Diablo-D3	theres always that	08:02
Diablo-D3	afk	08:02
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luke	ok, so I just killed all my kde config I think	08:06
luke	lol	08:06
transgress	how'd you do that?	08:07
kakalto	?	08:07
transgress	i killed a midget once	08:07
luke	I didn't kill it I just moved everything in my home directory into my desktop folder, even the hidden files	08:08
transgress	killall midget	08:08
luke	lol	08:08
transgress	oh god	08:08
transgress	that has to suck	08:08
luke	I'll brb	08:08
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luke	ok all beter.	08:14
luke	in control center > system admin > paths > autostart path, whats the right dir for that?	08:15
transgress	/home/transgress/.kde/Autostart/	08:15
luke	cool thans	08:15
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\sh	morning	09:08
luke_	evening	09:11
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snowcrash	hi	09:12
snowcrash	java works fine now as well :)	09:13
luke_	java on firefox?	09:13
snowcrash	java 1.5	09:17
snowcrash	yeah on firefox as well	09:17
snowcrash	i had some problems with it yesterday	09:17
snowcrash	but found a solution	09:17
snowcrash	but now i have to install j2me :/	09:18
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luke_	ok. how do you get java working on firefox? it doesn't for me, and it wont install the plugin	09:18
kakalto	could anyone help? I need a particular dev package for compiling something, but I can't find the package in any repos, on google or anything	09:20
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snowcrash	luke it just installed the plug in	09:22
snowcrash	i mean i installed one	09:22
snowcrash	seperate one	09:22
snowcrash	found it in the multiverse i guess	09:22
luke_	what was the name of the package you installed?	09:23
snowcrash	gcjwebplugin	09:24
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luke_	great, thanks	09:25
snowcrash	hmm i renamed the j2me.... --- .bin	09:26
snowcrash	to j2me.bin	09:26
snowcrash	then i started the console with sudo j2me.bin	09:26
snowcrash	is that right to execute the .bin ?	09:26
luke_	don't know	09:27
snowcrash	i need to make it executeable before right ?	09:28
snowcrash	how can i start a .bin ?	09:33
kakalto	"./program.bin", isn't it?	09:34
kakalto	from the folder it's in	09:34
snowcrash	doesnt work	09:34
snowcrash	it says	09:34
snowcrash	its no problem if i rename it, isnt it ?	09:35
snowcrash	well it says bash: j2me.bin: command not found	09:37
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Jd101	anybody knows if kubuntu will get kde 3.4.x bug fix releases? ( kde 3.4.1 , kde 3.4.2 ...)	09:45
snowcrash	snowcrash@ubuntu:~/download$ /j2me.bin	09:45
snowcrash	bash: /j2me.bin: No such file or directory	09:45
snowcrash	hmm strange :)	09:51
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snowcrash	ah	09:55
snowcrash	its ./j2me.bin	09:55
snowcrash	;)	09:55
snowcrash	damn	09:55
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snowcrash	whats the difference between ./ and plain /	09:58
AzMoo	snowcrash, ./ means current directory, / means root directory.	09:58
snowcrash	ah damn yes	09:59
snowcrash	ok thnx :)	09:59
snowcrash	well im new to linux	09:59
AzMoo	:)	09:59
snowcrash	hum now it wants to know where it installed the jvm	09:59
snowcrash	is there a system search	10:00
snowcrash	its not in usr	10:00
snowcrash	hmm ok grep	10:02
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AzMoo	Hey. Everytime I try to compile a KDE theme, I'm getting the error: "checking for libz... configure: error: not found." Anyone know how to get around this?	10:13
\sh	AzMoo: install the kde* devpackages	10:16
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AzMoo	\sh, cheers	10:24
\sh	AzMoo: but you should think about a pbuilder env or chroot env for compiling stuff	10:24
AzMoo	\sh, why's that?	10:25
\sh	AzMoo: u don't want to screw your productive system :)	10:32
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F_for_Fragging	can someone help me with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33528 -> how do i reset alsa and arts to their original/default settings?	11:04
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F_for_Fragging	hello, is anyone here alive?	11:18
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luke	how can you make java work on firefox?	12:00
Tm_T	ehh	12:00
Tm_T	easily	12:00
Tm_T	just install JRE _correctly_ and that's it	12:01
luke	JRE?	12:01
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Kejk_PL	I found deb packges, w8 a minute	12:02
Tm_T	luke: Java Runtime Environment	12:03
luke	ok	12:03
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Tm_T	luke: same thing what you have to do in windows	12:04
luke	how do I install JRE?	12:04
Tm_T	ehm, donwload package from sun.com and run it	12:04
Tm_T	http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp	12:06
luke	great, thanks	12:06
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luke	which one should I download for kubuntu?	12:08
Kejk_PL	ftp://ftp.cica.es/pub/java-linux/debian/	12:09
Kejk_PL	ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/java/debian/	12:09
Tm_T	:)	12:11
Kejk_PL	add tis tou your /etc/apt/sources.conf:	12:11
Tm_T	that's one way to do it	12:11
Kejk_PL	deb ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/java/debian/ sarge non-free	12:11
Tm_T	Kejk_PL: you mean sources.list?	12:12
Kejk_PL	tm_t, yes :-)	12:12
Tm_T	:)	12:12
Tm_T	hmm, still 1.0.2 ...	12:12
Kejk_PL	I found somewhere 1.5 JRE, but don't remember where...	12:13
Tm_T	:)	12:13
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verden01	Hey	12:15
Kejk_PL	http://www.kofeina.net/eloy/debian/	12:15
Kejk_PL	there are	12:15
verden01	has anyone with an aaAMD64 got chrot working?	12:15
Tm_T	hullo there	12:15
verden01	Hi Tm_T	12:16
verden01	chroot	12:16
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luke	from http://www.kofeina.net/eloy/debian/ what should I download for kubuntu?	12:22
verden01	i'm guessing jre	12:24
verden01	but i'm probably wrong	12:24
luke	theres no file called jre	12:24
verden01	sun jre??	12:24
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luke	sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0?	12:25
verden01	yeah	12:25
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brosio	how could i play mpc file ?	01:00
incubii	whats an mpc file	01:00
Tm_T	if it's file, mplayer plays it	01:01
Diablo-D3	brosio: you cant	01:01
Diablo-D3	mplayer does now?	01:01
Tm_T	can't say it plays it correctly though	01:01
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Tm_T	well, mplayer "player" plays anything	01:01
Tm_T	...	01:02
Tm_T	"plays"	01:02
Diablo-D3	that made zero sense	01:02
Tm_T	yes, fully nonsense	01:02
brosio	mplayer	01:02
brosio	not works	01:02
Tm_T	hmm, I forgot my morning pills	01:02
Diablo-D3	brosio: there are no mpc players for linux	01:02
brosio	mpcsv7-src-1.15v.tar.bz2	01:05
brosio	lib for xmms	01:05
brosio	:D	01:05
Diablo-D3	heh	01:06
Diablo-D3	afk	01:06
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_buz	maybe i'm somewhat stupid but i can't find the key combination for insert->object->formula in OO 1.1	02:08
KaiL_	is there one?	02:09
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_buz	i'd be quite pissed if there wasnt	02:11
_buz	as i'm trying to write something with lots of formulas	02:11
_buz	maybe i should use lyx	02:11
_buz	maybe i'll define my own ;)	02:14
_buz	yaeh that works	02:20
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da_bon_bon	hi	03:00
da_bon_bon	anyone from india here ?	03:00
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rohan	anyone from india here ?	03:09
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TheLegacy	i'm planning to install kubuntu next friday on my system. Does it support ATI's x800 chipset?	03:12
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KaiL	at least 2D works	03:15
_buz	there should be some binary drivers for 3d support	03:16
_buz	them radeons basically got the same driver across them all	03:16
TheLegacy	i bought this nifty x800xt card, so i thought it would be a waste if it didn't support it :)	03:16
_buz	it's a waste on linux anyway	03:16
TheLegacy	why	03:16
_buz	little amount of games to use it	03:16
KaiL	X800 != X800XT afair	03:16
KaiL	at least the "normal" X800 is supported	03:17
_buz	then the XT should wokr as well	03:17
KaiL	"X800 XL" was the problematic one	03:18
TheLegacy	_buz, got a license of Cedega => games on linux	03:18
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Tm_Nuada	hullo	03:18
_buz	does that stuff really work that well	03:18
TheLegacy	i heard it does	03:18
_buz	impressive if you think about it	03:18
=== KaiL doesn't have the right hardware to test ;)
TheLegacy	http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/	03:18
TheLegacy	supported games	03:19
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TheLegacy	:)	03:19
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KaiL	X800 XT is AGP?	03:20
_buz	i think the X series are all pciE	03:20
KaiL	nop	03:20
KaiL	400-500 EUR fr a graphics card.....	03:21
TheLegacy	AGP it is	03:21
TheLegacy	paid 460	03:21
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_buz	enough crazy people with too much money ;)	03:21
TheLegacy	:)	03:21
KaiL	_buz: they only had to much before	03:22
TheLegacy	spoiled myself with a new system	03:22
KaiL	what do you call new?	03:22
Tm_Nuada	wawaw	03:23
TheLegacy	athlon64 3500+, 2GB dual channel, sata hd's, benq 19" FP937s+	03:23
TheLegacy	it was new 1.5 months ago :)	03:23
KaiL	...and an Asrock-Board below fg	03:23
_buz	mhh i just got an 3000+	03:24
_buz	and will get the asus a8v for it	03:24
_buz	(gigabyte nforce3 sucked donkey ass)	03:24
TheLegacy	mine's the ASUS A8V del sckt 939	03:26
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KaiL	<< Asus K8N-E Deluxe	03:26
_buz	TheLegacy: what cooler did you put on it?	03:26
_buz	does it have screw mounts for big coolers?	03:26
TheLegacy	nothing fancy so long	03:26
_buz	the gigabyte doesnt	03:26
_buz	which is why i send it back	03:27
_buz	i want to use my thermaltake sonictower	03:27
_buz	after all	03:27
TheLegacy	i stuffed it with 4 fans (2 in, 2 out) and MB has a constant 19C	03:27
TheLegacy	CPU 27C	03:27
KaiL	what noise is that?	03:27
TheLegacy	nothing :)	03:27
_buz	4 fans? crazy	03:28
TheLegacy	chieftec maxi matrix case, good isolation	03:28
KaiL	<<36C for around everything - and only a very very slow rotating CPU fan	03:28
_buz	mine is gonna have 2 at the very most	03:28
_buz	no cpu fan	03:28
TheLegacy	lol	03:28
_buz	cpu easily stays below 50 in a friends machine with similar setup	03:28
KaiL	I don't belive, that your system ist silent	03:28
_buz	i'm fine with <65	03:28
TheLegacy	planning on buying the thermaltake aquarius III liquid cooling set	03:29
KaiL	why that?	03:29
_buz	i dont want water in my machine	03:29
_buz	if i would, i'd get the zalman reserator	03:29
KaiL	overclocking to 4GHz? ;)	03:29
TheLegacy	it's a nice box, and after reading some reviews, the results are all around 20C - 25C	03:29
_buz	wtf would anyone care to cool their cpu to room temperature	03:30
_buz	they work perfectly well at 60	03:30
TheLegacy	:)	03:30
TheLegacy	i'm a temp-freak	03:30
_buz	i'm a silence freak :;)	03:30
TheLegacy	i can't hear my case :)	03:30
KaiL	mute your music, then you can	03:30
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TheLegacy	:D	03:30
TheLegacy	soit, see you guys later maybe	03:31
TheLegacy	go to go	03:31
TheLegacy	t	03:31
KaiL	<< bequiet-Power supply, disables case fan, cpu fan should not work (but seams to do very slow), no other fans	03:31
_buz	mhh i want a seasonic ss400	03:33
_buz	but it doesnt ship in ch	03:33
_buz	maybe i'll get the etasis fanless cpu	03:33
_buz	psu i mean	03:34
KaiL	they aren't always silent (brummmmmmm)	03:35
_buz	most are	03:36
_buz	if they aren't, it's a rma	03:36
_buz	i'm not paying 110? for a NOT silent psu	03:37
_buz	maybe we'll get this one? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/12/1153218&from=rss	03:38
_buz	1.0.3 didn't get released even tho its security related	03:39
KaiL	the fixes are all in a patched one on hoary-security	03:41
_buz	mhh what version number does it sport	03:41
KaiL	1.0.2-ubuntu5.1 or so	03:42
_buz	mhh i think its kinda weird to backport such stuff	03:42
crimsun	most of the time it's far easier to backport fixes than to introduce a newer version of a package, since the newer version may (usually?) contains new regressions	03:46
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StR	Hi all	04:16
StR	anyone here with breezy?	04:16
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StR	is there anyone here?	04:20
\sh	?	04:21
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StR	ahhh!!! I broke my kde packages.... stupid breezy	04:37
StR	I get this error.... how can I fix it?	04:38
StR	libdbus-1-1: Conflicts: dbus-1 but 0.23.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed	04:38
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Riddell	StR: change it to libdbus-qt-1-dev in debian/control	04:45
StR	Riddell: where is that?	04:45
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Riddell	wait and I might fix it for you :)	04:45
StR	Riddell: how can you fix it for me?	04:46
Riddell	I might upload a new kdebase, but actually I probably can't if the C++ transition is under way	04:46
StR	Riddell: what C++ transition?	04:47
StR	Riddell: dou yo make the kdebase package?	04:48
Riddell	I make kubuntu	04:48
Riddell	the C++ transition to GCC 4	04:48
ChaoticCoyote	Riddell: Is kubuntu moving to GCC 4?	04:49
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StR	Riddell: I'm using breezy, but yesterday, I did a dist-upgrade, and my kubuntu-desktop and the konqueror packages were removed	04:49
crimsun	ChaoticCoyote: breezy already uses gcc 4.0, the transition that begins next week is to g++ 4.0	04:50
sproingie	ARGH. dbus upgrade is NOT what i would call graceful	04:50
sproingie	clusterfuck of dependency hell	04:50
ChaoticCoyote	crimsun: You guys might want to wait for 4.0.1. There are some nasty bugs and perfromance regressions in 4.0.0.	04:50
crimsun	ChaoticCoyote: never fear, there are competents gcc hackers behind the migration	04:51
crimsun	competent, rather	04:51
Riddell	ChaoticCoyote: it's a cvs version of gcc 4	04:51
ChaoticCoyote	crimsun: That's good.	04:51
ChaoticCoyote	Riddell: Smart move.	04:51
Tm_T	hello Riddell	04:52
ChaoticCoyote	4.0 is going to be great, but the initial release was a bit wonky.	04:52
sproingie	it's a .0 release, naturally	04:52
sproingie	i take it not everything has been migrated to dbus-1?	04:53
Riddell	hello Tm_T	04:58
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Tm_T	Riddell: have you noticed that there's no way to apt-get pyKDE ?	05:00
Tm_T	python2.3-kde3: Depends: python2.3-qt3 (< 3.13) but 3.13-4ubuntu2 is to be installed	05:00
StR	Riddell: my kde does not work now... I don't want to shut down my kde, because I think it will not get up...	05:01
StR	Riddell: how can I fix it?	05:01
Tm_T	=)	05:01
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Riddell	StR: downgrade to hoary?	05:01
_buz	not gonna work	05:02
_buz	your system won't boot	05:02
_robin	how can I mount an external usb hard disk?	05:02
_buz	if you do the apt pinning approach anyway	05:02
_robin	my system put the icon on m desktop, and I can see the root folders in it, but cannot go further.	05:02
Riddell	Tm_T: yeah, it's broken. hopefully \sh will have it all fixed up soon enough	05:02
StR	Riddell: how do I do that: vim /etc/apt/sources.list && :%s/breezy/hoarry && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?	05:03
Riddell	StR: don't think dist-upgrade will work, apt-get install kdebase might	05:03
Riddell	StR: but if you wait a bit I should have kdebase packages for you	05:03
_robin	err well, it does seem to be mountain, as in it's in my media directory, but as soon as I try to go into a directory, it locks.. (or at least doesn't respond)	05:03
_robin	it doesn't even respond to a ctrl-c	05:04
StR	Riddell: thanks, I will wait.....	05:04
sproingie	is it the dbus upgrade that's caused the breakage in breezy? not everything migrated yet?	05:04
Tm_T	Riddell: thanks, that is great news :)	05:05
_robin	anyone?	05:06
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Ken-OhKi	Can someone help me with some connection sharing things?	05:10
guinsel	/quit	05:11
Ken-OhKi	...	05:13
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Ken-Oh-Ki	Can someone help me with a nat configuration?	05:28
Ken-Oh-Ki	Where are my games? XD	05:29
men1	out there at the nearby playground	05:29
Ken-Oh-Ki	Damnit >_<	05:30
Riddell	StR: deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/breezy/ ./	05:32
Ken-Oh-Ki	how do I put the kubuntu games in the "start menu"?	05:32
Tm_T	Ken-Oh-Ki: use kappfinder	05:32
Tm_T	Ken-Oh-Ki: and its K-menu ;p	05:33
Ken-Oh-Ki	no game listed...	05:34
Tm_T	you tried kappfinder?	05:34
Ken-Oh-Ki	yeah	05:34
Ken-Oh-Ki	eyes working XD	05:34
Tm_T	\o/	05:35
Ken-Oh-Ki	but only this	05:35
Tm_T	and you can allways add manually	05:35
Tm_T	-l	05:35
Tm_T	sticky fingers	05:35
Anglophobe	I can't seem to use any kde apps that need root. it keeps rejecting my root password.	05:38
Ken-Oh-Ki	You'll need to change some config	05:38
Anglophobe	which one?	05:38
Ken-Oh-Ki	go to /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc	05:38
Ken-Oh-Ki	edit it	05:38
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Ken-Oh-Ki	find allowrootlogin (something like this) and set true	05:39
Ken-Oh-Ki	then you can log in kde with root and do whatever you want	05:39
Ken-Oh-Ki	even f*ck your install	05:39
nanomad	lol...i think breezy is broken now, isnt it?	05:40
Ken-Oh-Ki	O.o I left the server	05:40
Tm_T	heh	05:41
Ken-Oh-Ki	Is squid a proxy program?	05:41
Anglophobe	my internet on linus also seems to be really slow. any reason why that could be?	05:42
Anglophobe	err linux	05:42
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srichter	hello everyone; kubuntu does not seem to have any of the setup programs that ubuntu comes with, because they are GNome-based	05:49
srichter	what do I need to install to get these setup tools?	05:49
nanomad	kontrol center isnt useful to u?	05:50
Tm_T	wtf gimp crashed	05:50
srichter	no	05:50
srichter	I need to manage network connections, X configuration, etc.	05:50
srichter	the type of stuff you would find in drakconf or yast2, for example	05:51
srichter	I already saw that kynaptic is installed, which is nice	05:51
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nanomad	just look in kontrol center ---> internet....	05:51
srichter	ok will do (cannot do this right now, since this is a computer for friend)	05:52
srichter	thanks for the help	05:52
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nanomad	np	05:52
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hunger	Riddell: Big probs with the new kdebase... or better with the new dbus.	06:14
hunger	I strongly recommend against logging out after the upgrade...	06:15
NTolerance	anyone know how to enable mouseover effects on the taskbar?	06:16
NTolerance	i know that it's possible because i had it working on my last install...but i can't find a setting for it	06:16
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TheLegacy	hidiehow :)	07:11
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_piotr	hi all	07:26
_piotr	anybody around from poland	07:27
_piotr	konqueror doesnt display polish signs properly	07:28
_piotr	is it a lack of fonts or a problem with konqueror?	07:28
TheLegacy	think it's a font problem?	07:28
KaiL	_piotr: in filenames or in menues?	07:28
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_piotr	KaL: on websites	07:30
KaiL	hmm	07:30
KaiL	that shouldn't happen	07:30
_piotr	some are alright some are not	07:31
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emmanuel	dude, why KDE 3.4 break everything???!?!	07:34
KaiL	try to set a different font as default, maybe there's just one, which doesn't want	07:34
NTolerance	wow	07:34
NTolerance	maybe it's just because i haven't reinstalled everything	07:34
NTolerance	but my new Kubuntu install is much better	07:34
NTolerance	no problems yet with klaptop	07:34
KaiL	emmanuel: loke what?	07:34
Tm_T	hullo folks	07:34
_piotr	KaiL: ok. under konqueror configuration? or under the whole system	07:34
KaiL	like..	07:34
NTolerance	or firefox closing when i change the background...	07:34
KaiL	_piotr: konq	07:34
emmanuel	KaiL, all icons in tackbar missing	07:34
NTolerance	seems like after the kdelibs bug hits you it might be best to format	07:34
KaiL	http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh << NTolerance, or use this script :)	07:35
KaiL	same for emmanuel :)	07:35
NTolerance	i did	07:35
NTolerance	but my install was still borked afterwards...had lots of problems	07:35
emmanuel	KaiL, but it is already broken! wtf, everything has been broken	07:35
NTolerance	maybe it was another application...i hope not	07:35
emmanuel	i cant go back, is there sytem restore for Kubuntu?	07:36
KaiL	emmanuel: and this fixes everything	07:36
KaiL	(except the icons in the panel, you need to fix them manually)	07:36
emmanuel	KaiL, even if my icons are already gone?	07:36
emmanuel	thats dumb -- is there a way to avoid that?	07:36
KaiL	get somebody to upload a kdelibs package, which does NOT delete /etc/kderc :)	07:37
KaiL	kdelibs4 to be exact	07:37
_piotr	KaiL: do you mean to set another standard font? cause this doesnt change it anyway	07:38
KaiL	_piotr: yes, hoped to	07:38
_piotr	the font..	07:38
emmanuel	KaiL, where is Sytem Restore!?!?!	07:38
emmanuel	i want to go back to before it broke	07:38
KaiL	the script is (more or less)	07:38
_piotr	besides that its nice	07:39
emmanuel	KaiL, it is asking for CD, dont have it	07:39
_piotr	only it would be nice if the installation configured fstab automatically	07:39
_piotr	its ages ago when I changed that manually :D	07:39
KaiL	emmanuel: comment out the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list	07:39
KaiL	_piotr: planned for next version :)	07:40
emmanuel	KaiL, where is System Restore?	07:40
_piotr	KaiL: so shall I fill a bug in regard of the font problem.. I will try some texts under openoffice first	07:40
KaiL	_piotr: uhm, yes	07:41
_piotr	KaiL: but I didnt install any polish packages cause Im here in Vienna and using german as my main language	07:41
_piotr	so maybe this will fix it	07:41
KaiL	that's imho no excuse	07:41
KaiL	do you have an example URL, where it breaks?	07:42
KaiL	emmanuel: good idea for a feature in some future version	07:42
KaiL	..maybe one day a full system backup (or why now several?) will be no problem on your hd g	07:43
_piotr	KaiL: its all URLs	07:43
_piotr	I thought that it was a matter of encodings	07:43
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_piotr	KaiL:but I changed to middle eastern Iso 8859-2 and it didnt change	07:44
KaiL	I don't use that must polish websites :)	07:44
_piotr	:9	07:44
KaiL	you only see some "box" as the characters?	07:45
KaiL	or useless rubbish?	07:45
_piotr	KaiL: what the plugin directory for konqui; I installed flash-non free but konqueror doesnt use it	07:45
_piotr	only a box	07:45
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_piotr	but 2 signs work..	07:45
KaiL	so it's a font issue, no encoding	07:45
_piotr	oh yes.. sure	07:46
KaiL	plugins: konq -> settings -> configure	07:46
KaiL	scroll down on the left -> plugins ->search for new plugins (you might want to set the automation there)	07:46
_piotr	great	07:47
_piotr	thats very nice; forgot about it	07:47
_piotr	kde 3.4 is the first kde release which I like	07:47
_piotr	cause its faster at last	07:47
NTolerance	i love everything about kde 3.4 except the bugs	07:47
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NTolerance	i installed gnome the other day and was reminded of how terrible it was	07:48
NTolerance	godawful	07:48
KaiL	about the bugs don't forget, that this is the very first release of kubuntu and until now, everything possible went in it's way (UDU, gcc4.0, subversion un kde.org...)	07:49
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_piotr	NTolerance: got it for 2-3 hours and didnt come across any bug so far.. so its better thatn kde 3.0 3.1 3.2 and so on :)	07:51
_piotr	well.. besides the font issue :)	07:51
_piotr	KaiL: will you add oo 2.0 with the next release?	07:52
KaiL	you can already install it, if you are crazy enough ;:)	07:53
_piotr	KaiL: polish fonts look beautiful under oo 1.1 maybe better than on windows	07:53
KaiL	package name openoffice.org2	07:53
_piotr	KaiL: I got it on w2k and its alright	07:53
_piotr	at least faster	07:54
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KaiL	Ken-OhKi: am I allowed to say, that I dislike your username?	07:54
Ken-OhKi	KaiL : Only if you say the reason too	07:54
Ken-OhKi	(sorry... it wasn't set to send colors)	07:55
StR	Riddell: are you there?	07:55
KaiL	Ken-OhKi: it reminds me of something, I don't need a daily reminder for	07:55
_piotr	KaiL: what do I need for kopete with jabber in ssl mode?	07:55
_piotr	is there a tls package for kopete?	07:56
StR	anyone using breezy?	07:57
Tm_T	Ken-OhKi: uuh, luvli colors (NOT) ;)	07:57
Ken-OhKi	I isn't my fault!	07:57
Ken-OhKi	This script is mad	07:57
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Tm_T	Ken-OhKi: don't use scripts	07:58
Ken-OhKi	brb (fixing a shame that I did)	07:59
Tm_T	=)	07:59
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Ken-OhKi	Now...	08:00
StR	I'm still having "libdbus-1-1: Conflicts: dbus-1 but 0.23.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed" problem with breezy	08:00
Ken-OhKi	can someone help me with connection sharin?	08:00
StR	Ken-OhKi: sharing your folders with other kubuntu machines?	08:02
Ken-OhKi	internet sharing	08:02
StR	Ken-OhKi: ahh.. with iptables?	08:02
Zecrazytux	hey	08:02
Zecrazytux	well	08:02
Ken-OhKi	well, eht0 has a PPPOE connecton, eth1 is connected to a win98 machine. I want this machine online on the web	08:03
Zecrazytux	i have chosen once the "console" in the logging graphical interface and now i' can't reboot, switch off my computer, i can only return in console	08:04
Zecrazytux	i xant to return on the graphical interface to logging in	08:04
Zecrazytux	even when the pc boots	08:04
Zecrazytux	how can i made it please ?	08:05
uniq	ken-ohki: install a program called guidedog, it's a nice helper to configure connection sharing.	08:06
uniq	gah.	08:06
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StR	ahhh!!!! y need to set up my breezy again :(	08:06
KaiL	StR: ?	08:06
StR	KaiL: hi :)	08:07
KaiL	deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/breezy/ ./ << files will be in breezy soon	08:07
StR	KaiL: so.. I should add that to my sources list, then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade?	08:08
KaiL	for now yes	08:09
KaiL	or just wait some hours ;)	08:09
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StR	KaiL: those are your packages?	08:09
KaiL	Riddell	08:09
StR	KaiL: ahh ok	08:10
Ken-OhKi	Hey, can someone tell me if my quit msg was 'flushed'?	08:10
KaiL	be warned: media:/ does everythink, but not work	08:10
KaiL	Ken-OhKi: there was no message, as that was only /part, not /quit ;)	08:10
alejandro	KaiL: what changes have jr packages?	08:10
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Ken-OhKi	Hey, can someone tell me if my quit msg was 'flushed'?	08:11
KaiL	alejandro: they doesn't get removed with latest dbus/hal updates in breezy	08:11
KaiL	<-- Ken-OhKi has quit (Client Quit)	08:11
Ken-OhKi	At least that thing was gone?	08:11
KaiL	yes	08:12
Ken-OhKi	better ^^	08:12
Ken-OhKi	Later I'll make a mIRC Konversation - *NIX Style	08:12
Ken-OhKi	for win	08:12
Ken-OhKi	no colors XD	08:12
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Ken-OhKi	Now	08:14
Ken-OhKi	finally	08:14
Ken-OhKi	can someone help me to share my internet connection?	08:15
Ken-OhKi	Probably with a NAT	08:15
KaiL	apt-get install ipmasq	08:15
uniq	ken-ohki: install a program called guidedog, it's a nice helper to configure connection sharing.	08:15
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uniq	it's in the universe repository..	08:16
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Ken-OhKi	how do I install 'guidedog'?	08:16
Ken-OhKi	apt-get too?	08:16
uniq	yes.	08:17
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uniq	make sure you've enabled universe.	08:17
Ken-OhKi	brb	08:17
KaiL	...there's his quit msg again...	08:17
StR	KaiL: quit msgs are not allowd here?	08:18
KaiL	read the content...	08:18
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anglophobe	this is funny, my system works great when I use the liveCD, but when I install kubutntu, it doesn't work well.	08:33
KaiL	what doesn't work?	08:34
anglophobe	on an install my wireless barely works, and my external hd locks up, but with the live cd everything is hunky dory.	08:34
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anglophobe	off the live cd, everything just works.	08:34
anglophobe	last time I tried the install it was saying /sbin/ifup couldn't read /etc/network/interfaces...	08:35
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anglophobe	(after it was installed and booted up. the wireless wouldn't grab an ip)	08:35
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anglophobe	any ideas?	08:38
anglophobe	could my install cd be bad?	08:38
anglophobe	(every time I install something different doesn't work)	08:38
bluszcz	whats the problem anglophobe ?	08:40
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sirukin	maybe you just stink with computers.	08:40
anglophobe	:)	08:40
anglophobe	could be...	08:41
_buz	maybe your hardware is faulty	08:41
anglophobe	basically the kubuntu livecd woprks great with my system. the install cd less so.	08:41
_buz	might be the cd	08:41
_buz	make an image outof the cd and check the md5 sums	08:41
anglophobe	possible. windows was working fine before, but I've had hardware not work in one or the other beofre.. (usually works in llinux and not in windows though..)	08:41
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anglophobe	there an md5 checker installed with kubuntu?	08:42
bluszcz	anglophobe: md5sum	08:44
anglophobe	whats the best way to make an img off a cd in linux?	08:44
_buz	k3b	08:44
_buz	what is the reason for those security backports against firefox?	08:45
_buz	instead of plainly updating it mean	08:45
bluszcz	anglophobe: dd	08:47
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Ken-Oh-Ki	Yay! *Nix style!	08:51
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Ken-Oh-Ki	Now, I couldn't install ipmasq neither guidedog	08:52
Ken-Oh-Ki	so.. what do I do?	08:52
uniq	ken-oh-ki: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories	08:54
uniq	follow it, and try again.	08:54
Ken-Oh-Ki	how do I mount my Win partitions?	08:56
amu	_buz: the policy, just upgrading brings probably a lot of depends problem	08:56
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QrX	hi all	09:00
QrX	can someone help a newbie in installing 3d drivers ?	09:02
F_for_Fragging	i can help you	09:05
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F_for_Fragging	one moment	09:06
QrX	thx	09:06
sirukin	hmm	09:06
F_for_Fragging	http://www.ubuntuguide.org/	09:07
F_for_Fragging	somewhere there should be an answer on how to install the nvidia drivers	09:07
F_for_Fragging	http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver	09:07
F_for_Fragging	this one	09:07
QrX	ok nice	09:07
F_for_Fragging	it's very easy	09:07
QrX	i ll check that	09:08
QrX	i hope :)	09:08
F_for_Fragging	but now i need some help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=169364 -> somehow I'm getting stereo sound though the rear speakers of my 5.1 speakerset	09:08
F_for_Fragging	through	09:09
Tm_T	smouche: ping	09:09
Ken-Oh-Ki	Aracnofobia is a very sick movie...	09:15
F_for_Fragging	can someone help me with my sound problem? -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=169364	09:16
Ken-Oh-Ki	where can I find some help about Guide Dog?	09:18
amu	F_for_Fragging: removig your default kaffeine stetting rm ~/.kde/share/config/kaffeinerc	09:20
F_for_Fragging	amu: thanks, I already tried removing the kaffeine settings file from my home dir, but that didn't work, I'll try what you suggested	09:22
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F_for_Fragging	amu: however the problem also occurs in apps other than kaffeine, like amaroK, and in games like Enemy Territory	09:23
amu	F_for_Fragging: you can rename it and restart, than run a diff and you see the differences :)	09:24
F_for_Fragging	amu: what do you exactly mean? sorry but I don't understand your last sentence	09:24
QrX	nice all 3d is working well atm also nvidai settings :p	09:24
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amu	F_for_Fragging: instead of removing the file rename it. If you start kaffeine again, a new config file will be created. Now you can compare both files	09:26
F_for_Fragging	amu: ok thanks, I'll try	09:27
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muempf	hi	09:29
muempf	is there a chance to get "dvdrip" on kubuntu 5.04	09:30
Tm_T	hmm, why not	09:30
Tm_T	apt-get it / compile it	09:30
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muempf	arg	09:30
allee	muempf: is really easy. Tm_T will be lucky to explain it ;) duck	09:31
_buz	you cant apt-get it	09:31
_buz	The following packages have unmet dependencies:	09:31
_buz	dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.14) but it is not installable	09:31
_buz	E: Broken packages	09:31
muempf	hm, with apt-get i have a lot of problems with dependencies	09:31
_buz	but some people claim that dvdshrink works within wine	09:31
allee	_buz: apt-get source dvdrip	09:31
muempf	no wine	09:32
_buz	personally, i couldnt ever get wine to run	09:32
allee	_buz: sudo apt-get build-dep dvdrip	09:32
F_for_Fragging	amu: nope, it's not working, i suspect that the problem lies in my alsa configuration	09:32
_buz	tell that muempf	09:32
allee	cd dvdrip-x-y; debuild	09:32
_buz	i'd use dvsdhrink in vmware myself ;)	09:32
amu	F_for_Fragging: looks like, or you defined some desktop-keys	09:33
muempf	hm so i have to build it from sources	09:33
F_for_Fragging	amu: desktop keys?	09:33
amu	F_for_Fragging: from kdeaccessability ...	09:35
allee	muempf: did you check backports archive?	09:35
F_for_Fragging	amu: no, I didn't	09:36
F_for_Fragging	amu: in the topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=169364 i gave a detailed problem description	09:36
amu	F_for_Fragging: as i remember there's a possibility to set custom key bindings .. well it could be also i missunderstood this ;)	09:37
F_for_Fragging	amu: basiccally i was watching a video file in kaffeine, accidentally pushed the mute key, pushed it again to unmute, but after that this problem i have now occured, system wide	09:37
Ken-Oh-Ki	Can someone help me with Guidedog configuration?	09:37
F_for_Fragging	amu: i also tried to create a new user, and with that user i had the same problem, so doubt it is my user's kaffeine config	09:37
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spiral	ououuups... Who broke kde in breezy ?	09:39
F_for_Fragging	amu: thanks for your help though	09:40
amu	stange, sorry, never tried/tested AC3	09:41
F_for_Fragging	amu: the problem isn't with AC-3, somehow I'm getting stereo sound though my rear speakers only	09:42
F_for_Fragging	though	09:42
F_for_Fragging	i mean through	09:42
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amu	did you tried to set some defaults with kmix ?	09:43
F_for_Fragging	I deleted my KMix config in my home dir, after that it was reset to defaults, but it didn't make any difference	09:44
allee	Ken-Oh-Ki: what's the problem?	09:45
amu	did you tested the liveCD ?	09:45
amu	it's a audigy I or II ?	09:46
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F_for_Fragging	on the liveCD I didn't have any problems at all with the sound, in my topic I also wrote that after the install of Kubuntu my sound was working fine for some weeks until this accident happened	09:46
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F_for_Fragging	Soundblaster Audigy Player	09:46
F_for_Fragging	Audigy 1	09:47
F_for_Fragging	I'm sure that the problem is software related	09:48
amu	got some ears ago in trouble with a II, but now the driver is stable, what happen if you change from xine-enine from arts to oss or to auto	09:48
amu	ears/years even	09:48
F_for_Fragging	how do i change engines? in the control center module? it's set on auto there	09:49
amu	it's a 6.1 but never got it full working, 5.1 no problem :)	09:49
amu	config kaffeine ... on the left you see engine	09:50
amu	config from the menu	09:51
F_for_Fragging	if I open Kaffeine -> Settings -> Configure Kaffeine I only see Behaviour Appearence and Misc?	09:53
amu	http://basic-rip.co.uk/tenpin/alsasound	09:54
amu	settings, xine engine parameters	09:56
amu	audio	09:56
amu	right site you can choose the driver	09:56
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F_for_Fragging	ok I experimented with oss, alsa and auto, but it didn't change anything	09:59
F_for_Fragging	I can still only hear the stereo sound through my rear speakers	09:59
amu	the othe are not set ?	10:00
amu	grr	10:00
amu	he other speakers are not set ?	10:00
F_for_Fragging	no	10:00
F_for_Fragging	if I want to play a video file or game with stereo sound i can only hear it through my two rear speakers, if I play AC-3 though all my speakers are used	10:01
amu	pased you a example script ... you can find out from the kenel modules and proc about the names.	10:01
amu	than just echo them	10:01
Ken-Oh-Ki	./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	10:01
Ken-Oh-Ki	What do I do?	10:02
amu	amixer sset "PCM Surround" 70% > /dev/null 2>&1 &	10:02
amu	amixer sset "PCM Center" 70% > /dev/null 2>&1 &	10:02
amu	and so on	10:02
F_for_Fragging	amu: sorry but I'm not an expert in this	10:03
F_for_Fragging	how do i find out from the kernel modules and proc?	10:03
F_for_Fragging	i was thinking if there is a way to reconfigure alsa or set it back to it's defaults?	10:04
amu	less /proc/asound/	10:04
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amu	you see some infos about the card there, i'm not sure if you see the names	10:04
amu	with strings emu10k you see them also	10:05
F_for_Fragging	amu, /proc/asound/ is a directory, i assume you meant ls instead of less?	10:05
amu	it goes on ... /proc/asound/oss or /proc/asound/card0 ...	10:06
F_for_Fragging	I can see card0 there	10:07
amu	emu10k1	10:07
F_for_Fragging	and in /proc/asound/card0 i can see a file called emu10k1	10:07
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amu	ok, now find the modules it must be under /lib/modules/2.6.10.../kernel/sound/	10:09
amu	than a strings emu10k1 \|more	10:09
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F_for_Fragging	core drivers i2c isa oss pci pcmcia soundcore.ko synth usb -> are the contents of /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound	10:10
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amu	amu@devel:~/.kde$ strings /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko \|more	10:12
Ken-Oh-Ki	God... it's hard to get info here	10:12
amu	Ken-Oh-Ki: probably noone will help you, if you install software from somewhere and it doesnt work ...	10:14
F_for_Fragging	ok, and what do i do now with that file?	10:14
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Ken-Oh-Ki	I was just trying to make FF work here	10:15
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Ken-Oh-Ki	but what I really want is make the proxy work	10:16
amu	F_for_Fragging: you find some detailted infos about your driver and soundcard. hold on i'll search for a easier way	10:16
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allee	Ken-Oh-Ki: I asked already what the problem is. But I have not tried FF yet and right now only one computer so FF is hard to test ;)	10:21
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allee	Ken-Oh-Ki: What do you want to proxy?	10:23
Ken-Oh-Ki	I want to share my internet connection	10:24
Ken-Oh-Ki	eth0 has the internet, eth1 has the another computer	10:24
Ken-Oh-Ki	I tried http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-4.html and Guide Dog, but nothing happened	10:24
allee	Ken-Oh-Ki: me too ;) I guidedog, enable routing, add new address: network of eth1, eg 192.168.100.0/24. Press okay.	10:25
allee	Ken-Oh-Ki: ah, and rsync /etc/resolv.conf on the router to all other clients in the net (need to be done after every ifup eth0 or find some	10:27
allee	NS you can always use, from work e.g.)	10:27
allee	Or install a caching name daemon like pdnsd	10:27
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F_for_Fragging	amu: are you still there?	10:29
amu	http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AudigyMixer	10:31
F_for_Fragging	amu: ok, what do i have to do know?	10:33
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amu	F_for_Fragging: nice description what is what ... as i remember there was a gui if you want set them. the other way is you know now the names and you can set them	10:35
F_for_Fragging	but you are saying I should change some settings in the files you pointed me to?	10:37
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zecrazytux	CTRL-ALT-F1 to open the console mode, and then how can i shut X down ?	10:39
amu	F_for_Fragging: yep i showed them you before ...	10:39
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F_for_Fragging	amu: I think I can figure it out myself from here on, I have to go now it's getting late. thanks a lot for taking the time to help me	10:40
amu	F_for_Fragging: did you tried with alsamixer to change some of them?	10:40
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amu	sorry but i can remember excatly, it was 3 years ago, since i tried it :) but with that imput you should be able to change your values	10:42
F_for_Fragging	I'll try out to max out all the channels there and see if that works	10:43
F_for_Fragging	nope, still no luck	10:45
F_for_Fragging	but I have to go now, thanks for all your help	10:45
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amaro	im not sure if this is an issue with KDE or ubuntu...	10:46
amaro	but a lot of times when I type CTRL-s	10:46
amaro	the letter 's' appears	10:46
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mischko	With kubuntu, can I run Gnome applications?	10:55
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pussfeller	mischko, yes	10:57
pussfeller	you still need to fetch them of course	10:57
mischko	but gnome is installed?	10:57
pussfeller	no you have to install it	10:58
mischko	Ok.	10:58
mischko	So the main difference between kubuntu and ubuntu is KDE vs. Gnome?	10:58
pussfeller	exact difference	10:59
mischko	ok. Thanks for the info.	10:59
pussfeller	the gnome version is more fleshed out at this point....	10:59
mischko	I've got VMWare. I'll probably install both of them.	11:01
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Tm_T	bah	11:08
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delltony	question: i'm running a lappy with kubuntu 5.04 and all seems fine but here is an issue i have been strugglin with. when my computer is left idle it kills the monitor of course. and when i hit the mouse all comes back to life. here is the problem though. when it comes back to life it seems to sluggish as crap. meaning applications run slow. refresh is slow as if the processor is laggin. i ran top and can't really determine "lack o	11:17
delltony	f knowledge i guess" what the issue could be. Not sure if its a process the cpu overheating bad modules or what. help would be appreciated	11:17
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TayloR	Hey all, quick question, how would i go about formatting a storage drive i have in my pc, its a hdd completly seperate to that with the kubuntu install on it.. also what would be the best format to have a stroage drive in? ext2?	11:22
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Sander__	delltony, when you say goes to sleep do you mean suspend?	11:23
delltony	well i don't really think its supending	11:23
mischko	delltony, I've had things go slow when a laptop resumes also. Try downing and upping your network connections.	11:23
delltony	it might well be but i dont' think so	11:23
delltony	and they will speed up the other aps and cpu lag?	11:24
Sander__	I've heard stories about suspend, even once it's working, I think it still has issues.	11:24
delltony	well how can i disable it if enabled	11:24
delltony	i honestly thought it was disabled cause i thought ubuntu did that noapci	11:24
delltony	or whatever	11:24
mischko	delltony, not sure. Try checking out apmd	11:25
TayloR	no one know how to format via terminal or some other means?	11:25
TayloR	*konsole	11:25
delltony	fdisk	11:25
delltony	and mount the drive	11:25
TayloR	drives already mounted, just type fdisk?	11:25
TayloR	do i need the live cd or anything in to do fdisk?	11:26
delltony	you can uset he live cd to do it thru the parition manager	11:26
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delltony	but what i have always done is just the fdisk thing	11:26
mischko	TayloR, you'll probably need to mkfs to format it. fdisk does a low level format.	11:26
mischko	i.e. mkfs.ext3	11:26
TayloR	ahh right	11:26
bluszcz	such a pitty day	11:26
TayloR	would ext3 be the best format?	11:26
bluszcz	jfs	11:27
bluszcz	or xfs, ext3 is too old	11:27
TayloR	ext2 ok?	11:27
delltony	i use reiserfs myself	11:27
bluszcz	uch	11:27
mischko	ext2 would not be as good as ext3. ext3 is journalled.	11:27
mischko	ext3 is old but a good general purpose format.	11:27
bluszcz	month ago I tried reiser4	11:27
TayloR	ahh ok	11:27
TayloR	thanks for the info people :)	11:27
TayloR	really apprecaite it	11:27
mischko	;)	11:27
TayloR	*appreciate	11:28
delltony	see apmd says what i thought no apm support in kernel	11:30
delltony	so i am not sure what is going on but its almost as if it hibernated and i need to yank its nuts to get it back to running normal	11:30
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darkaudit	using k3b... burning a data DVD for use on an XP box... do I need to enable Joliet or Udf in the burn/filesystem tab?	11:32
bluszcz	joliet	11:33
darkaudit	thx :)	11:33
bluszcz	or use cdrecord	11:34
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luke	anyone here tried wormux?	11:41
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Diablo-D3	bluszcz> or xfs, ext3 is too old	11:42
Diablo-D3	wtf crack are you on	11:42
Diablo-D3	ext3 is the recommended file system	11:42
bluszcz	Diablo-D3: I am using jfs	11:43
bluszcz	I don't like ext3	11:44
Diablo-D3	yet, sadly, ext3 is superiour	11:44
gdh	And hey, when XFS / JFS / Reiser shits all over your disk... which FS will give you a decent chance of data recovery?	11:45
gdh	Yep, old faithful :)	11:45
Diablo-D3	yeah, what gdh said	11:46
Diablo-D3	ext3 has about 20 years of perfection behnind it	11:46
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gdh	ext3 might not handle billions of files in one dir, etc. - but deal with that, that's what system admin is about	11:46
Diablo-D3	(please note: ext3 is just ext2 with a journal. You can even field upgrade ext2 filesystems)	11:46
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gdh	Anyway, a little rant, and now to bed - nna =)	11:48
Diablo-D3	night	11:48
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R0bNyc	Is Kubuntu or Ubuntu unstable?	11:49
Diablo-D3	R0bNyc: neither is.	11:49
R0bNyc	testing?	11:49
Diablo-D3	nope.	11:49
R0bNyc	stable ?	11:49
Diablo-D3	kubuntu is just ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed by default, btw	11:50
Diablo-D3	ubuntu only has stable right now	11:50
R0bNyc	so if u have ubuntu and u get kde ur using ubuntu, and if u use kubuntu and then get gnome ur still using kubuntu ?	11:51
Diablo-D3	breezy is supposed to be unstable, but its _really_ unstable, you cant even run it	11:51
Diablo-D3	not quite, if you install either ubuntu or kubuntu, you're using ubuntu	11:51
R0bNyc	lol	11:51
\sh	R0bNyc: the basement is ubuntu...kubtunu is ubuntu base with kubuntu-desktop applied	11:51
R0bNyc	i heard its stable = outdated	11:51
\sh	ubuntu == ubuntu-basement with ubuntu-desktop == gnome applid	11:52
\sh	+e	11:52
Diablo-D3	stable = outdated applies to debian	11:52
Diablo-D3	ubuntu's stable is about where debian's testing is	11:52
R0bNyc	yes	11:52
R0bNyc	oh	11:52
Diablo-D3	and btw, on either ubuntu or kubuntu, you can install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop	11:52
R0bNyc	cool	11:52
R0bNyc	so whats the difference then lol	11:53
Diablo-D3	the difference is just whats installed by default	11:53
\sh	R0bNyc: it's working	11:53
Diablo-D3	its all the same distro	11:53
R0bNyc	\sh, is working ?	11:53
\sh	R0bNyc: yes, install it, and work with it...it's just working	11:54
R0bNyc	oh	11:54
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R0bNyc	I notice a friend of mine has kubuntu , and I think hes oudated xchat 2.4.1	11:54
Diablo-D3	2.4.1 isnt outdated	11:54
bergfloh	hi, what can i do, if the installation of grub and lilo fails at installation time? is there a way to boot the hd with the installation cdrom? i need to boot /vmlinuz from /dev/hda1 with kernel parameter root=/dev/hda1	11:56
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: er, oh boy	11:56
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: it should never fail to begin with	11:56
bergfloh	yes, but it has already failed	11:57
bergfloh	;-)	11:57
Diablo-D3	you should try figuring out why it failed	11:57
Diablo-D3	thats a pretty serious problem	11:57
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: ubuntu is supposed to be a distro thats easy to install and use...	11:58
Diablo-D3	it seems to have failed you in that respect =/	11:58
R0bNyc	Diablo-D3, 2.4.1 is outdated to me	11:58
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: what hardware are you on?	11:58
R0bNyc	2.4.3 is not	11:58
bergfloh	everything else worked (there were no other error messages), so the system should be there and i should be able to start it, i just have to start /vmlinuz...	11:58
Diablo-D3	R0bNyc: 2 point releases does not make it outdated	11:58
bergfloh	Diablo-D3: it's a crappy laptop	11:58
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: that... could explain it	11:58
R0bNyc	kde 3.3 is outdated to me, 3.4 is not :)	11:59
Diablo-D3	crappy laptops hate linux	11:59
Diablo-D3	they also hate you, the world, and themselves	11:59
bergfloh	Diablo-D3: there was kanotix with grub on it before.	11:59
Diablo-D3	R0bNyc: specifically, those two point releases havent added anything critical	11:59
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bergfloh	Diablo-D3: grub is still in the mbr	11:59
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: mwhahah. Dunno whats going on	11:59
R0bNyc	ok	11:59
Diablo-D3	hrm	11:59
R0bNyc	I can have ubuntu being sid ?	12:00
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: and grub is no worky?	12:00
Diablo-D3	R0bNyc: you can crossgrade a sid machine to ubuntu	12:00
bergfloh	Diablo-D3: of course not, because there is no second boot loader... ;-)	12:00
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: er, right.	12:00
bergfloh	Diablo-D3: it's just in the mbr, nothing more	12:00
R0bNyc	what u mean	12:00
Diablo-D3	R0bNyc: its not an upgrade or a downgrade, so its a cross grade	12:01
R0bNyc	mixed is not good	12:01
Diablo-D3	bergfloh: blah. Is there anything on the disk you want?	12:01
kay	won't be mixed	12:01
Diablo-D3	yeah, mixed isnt good	12:01
kay	R0bNyc: I have made good experience with it	12:01

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