| jabra | dholbach: do you have an explain a package I should look at? | 12:01 |
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| jabra | that isn't compiled | 12:02 |
| dholbach | apt-get source epic4-script-hienoa | 12:02 |
| jabra | ok | 12:03 |
| dholbach | good night | 12:15 |
| jabra | dholbach: goodnight | 12:15 |
| dahane | good night | 12:16 |
| jabra | hmm epic uses mkdir in the rules file | 12:17 |
| dholbach | only for the non-standard-stuff | 12:17 |
| jabra | right | 12:17 |
| dholbach | ok, i'm off | 12:18 |
| jabra | don't see how they handle the man page | 12:18 |
| jabra | dholbach: later | 12:18 |
| dholbach | compare with another package - bye :-) | 12:18 |
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| schweeb | hola | 12:24 |
| schweeb | damn, just missed dholbach | 12:24 |
| jabra | o well | 12:27 |
| jabra | ya I just finished my package | 12:27 |
| jabra | should probably upload it | 12:28 |
| jabra | new version of getwifi has be uploaded | 12:34 |
| tseng | hm | 12:43 |
| tseng | is my hal/dbus stack going to be totally broken now? | 12:43 |
| jabra | hope not | 12:43 |
| jabra | I need go install a new webserver | 12:44 |
| jabra | tseng: later | 12:44 |
| tseng | yep muine is not happy at all | 12:44 |
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| === jabra => webserver, dinnah, bed | ||
| === tseng builds new dbus-mono | ||
| ogra | tseng, why do you build it ? i thought its in daniels package | 01:21 |
| tseng | it is | 01:22 |
| tseng | but its all commented out | 01:22 |
| tseng | im building it for myself | 01:22 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 01:22 |
| ogra | just uploaded the fixed mono.... | 01:22 |
| tseng | yay | 01:23 |
| ogra | but the package will still need a lot of love | 01:23 |
| tseng | of what kind? | 01:23 |
| ogra | lintian was very loud | 01:23 |
| tseng | oh. | 01:23 |
| ogra | missing manpages was the smallest issue... | 01:23 |
| ogra | but its ok, i'll sort that.... what counts is monodis for now | 01:24 |
| tseng | yes | 01:24 |
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| Unfrgiven | ajmitch_: ping? | 01:50 |
| ajmitch_ | hi | 01:50 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch_: hi | 01:51 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch_: how did the fusa review go? | 01:51 |
| ajmitch_ | didn't get very far, and I've got to leave in about 1 minute.. | 01:51 |
| ajmitch_ | I've got some free time this afternoon | 01:51 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch_: ok thanks :) | 01:52 |
| ajmitch_ | from what I saw, it looked fin, built fine | 01:52 |
| ajmitch_ | I just haven't installed it :) | 01:52 |
| ajmitch_ | nor reviewed in detail some stuff | 01:52 |
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch_: apologies for not making the C++ transition meeting. i slept at 1ish and although my alarm woke me up at 5, i just couldn't get out of bed. ill read up the logs later and catch up. | 01:52 |
| ajmitch_ | that's ok | 01:53 |
| === ajmitch_ will bbl, I have to run now | ||
| Unfrgiven | ajmitch_: k cya | 01:53 |
| Amaranth | o_O | 01:54 |
| Amaranth | C++ transition is beginning monday? | 01:54 |
| ogra | tuesday | 02:07 |
| tseng | anyone still have libdbus-cil installed? | 03:02 |
| tseng | eh nm | 03:02 |
| zerokarmaleft | yes | 03:04 |
| tseng | doesnt matter | 03:05 |
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| tseng | so rebuilding dbus-mono and then muine works fine | 03:20 |
| tseng | should be no problem if beagle cooperates | 03:20 |
| ajmitch_ | afternoon all | 03:21 |
| tseng | hi | 03:22 |
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| abarbaccia | whats up ya'll | 03:58 |
| ajmitch_ | working, sadly... | 04:04 |
| abarbaccia | hahah - its 10 PM over here in NY | 04:04 |
| |QuaD-_ | so with all this new dbus stuff, safe to update breezy? | 04:09 |
| Lathiat | HAH | 04:15 |
| Lathiat | depends if everythign else went through :P | 04:15 |
| Lathiat | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 04:16 |
| Lathiat | bluez-pin bluez-utils dbus-1 dbus-1-dev dbus-glib-1 dbus-glib-1-dev | 04:17 |
| Lathiat | gnome-vlc gnome-volume-manager libdbus-cil libhal-storage0 libhal0 skype | 04:17 |
| Lathiat | tomboy ubuntu-desktop update-notifier vlc wxvlc | 04:17 |
| Lathiat | theres a hint :P hahaha | 04:17 |
| ajmitch_ | fun | 04:19 |
| === ajmitch_ does an update | ||
| Amaranth | hey, that's less than me | 04:28 |
| |QuaD-_ | Lathiat: thats why i didn't do it :) | 04:35 |
| |QuaD-_ | mine is less than that | 04:36 |
| |QuaD-_ | cuz i don't have skype or vlc | 04:36 |
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| nmorse | Anyone here know how to get an ali m5475 sound card working? Ubuntu loads the modules but I still get no sound | 04:48 |
| ajmitch_ | #ubuntu may be more help | 04:50 |
| ajmitch_ | it could possibly be muted, but I don't deal with sound much :) | 04:51 |
| Amaranth | |QuaD-_: How can you not have vlc? | 04:52 |
| |QuaD-_ | Amaranth: hmm, isn't vlc a media player? | 04:52 |
| nmorse | not muted, just made sure with alsamixergui and with KMix | 04:52 |
| Amaranth | |QuaD-_: Yeah, the best. | 04:52 |
| |QuaD-_ | Amaranth: i use xine | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | |QuaD-_: The interface sucks though, I'm actually thinking about using the python-vlc bindings to make a better one | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | xine? pfft | 04:53 |
| |QuaD-_ | totem-xine | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | heh | 04:53 |
| Amaranth | I might be biased, I know one of the developers and use the python-vlc bindings in an app. ;) | 04:54 |
| nmorse | Kaffeine, fools | 04:54 |
| |QuaD-_ | :) i don't really use any fancy media formats, xine works fine, just xvid movies | 04:55 |
| |QuaD-_ | mp3's i use muine | 04:55 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i use muine too | 04:57 |
| Amaranth | i'd like to try sonance but it needs gst-sharp which isn't buildable | 04:57 |
| |QuaD-_ | never heard of it, what is it? | 04:58 |
| |QuaD-_ | why does epiphany require dbus? | 05:13 |
| nmorse | epiphany requires dbus? | 05:16 |
| nmorse | Who thought up that one? | 05:16 |
| |QuaD-_ | epiphany-extensions might belong requiring it, but i can't figure out why epiphany-browser does | 05:16 |
| nmorse | what would DBUS be used for? | 05:17 |
| nmorse | It makes no sense in one browser that's part of GNOME | 05:18 |
| |QuaD-_ | epiphany-extensions has a dashboard extension, which probably requires dbus | 05:18 |
| lamont | hrm... gonna have to bootstrap smlnj/i386 for breezy... | 05:42 |
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| |QuaD-_ | i wonder if the new dbus will break beagle anymore than it already is | 05:56 |
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| Treenaks | |QuaD-_: beagle will need at least a recompile to fix dependancies | 06:43 |
| |QuaD-_ | Treenaks: i figured that :) | 06:46 |
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| === Treenaks upgrades and fears | ||
| |QuaD-_ | Treenaks: you are def braver than i | 06:48 |
| Treenaks | I know how to fix stuff if it breaks ;) that helps | 06:48 |
| |QuaD-_ | Treenaks: haha | 06:49 |
| abarbaccia | hey guys - should someone make sure that when installing beagle mono is installed as well, because as of right now, it's not | 07:25 |
| |QuaD-_ | abarbaccia: thats a dependency issue | 07:27 |
| abarbaccia | |QuaD-_, thats what i thought - but shouldn't synaptic or apt-get take care of it if beagle is packaged correctly? | 07:27 |
| |QuaD-_ | abarbaccia: thats cuz beagle isn't listed as a dependency :) | 07:28 |
| |QuaD-_ | *mono | 07:28 |
| abarbaccia | |QuaD-_, so can't we change that easily? | 07:28 |
| |QuaD-_ | abarbaccia: yeah, but when they made the source package, they had problems with the program that automatically assigns dependencies | 07:29 |
| abarbaccia | if you couldn't tell i'm new to the whole "help with the community" thing - but i have done a decent bit of programming before and a few other things | 07:29 |
| |QuaD-_ | it will be fixed shortly | 07:29 |
| abarbaccia | hurm | 07:29 |
| abarbaccia | i want to help out with someone on a task they are assigned to so i can learn the ropes | 07:29 |
| |QuaD-_ | abarbaccia: as the people here :) | 07:30 |
| abarbaccia | that's why i'm here - hopefully to help out - learn on something simple then eventually adopt or help out on my own individual package | 07:30 |
| |QuaD-_ | abarbaccia: they don't have people maintaining individual packages (i don't think), i believe its a community effort | 07:31 |
| abarbaccia | alright - since you seem to know what you are doing - what do you suddgest would be the best route to take to become more actively involved | 07:31 |
| |QuaD-_ | abarbaccia: cuz of school i haven't been involved. That will change soon :) just ask some current motu's | 07:32 |
| abarbaccia | what school do you go to? | 07:33 |
| abarbaccia | boston u | 07:33 |
| |QuaD-_ | i don't really go anymore | 07:34 |
| |QuaD-_ | i am graduating in a week | 07:34 |
| |QuaD-_ | done with all my stuff | 07:34 |
| abarbaccia | congrats - what major? | 07:34 |
| |QuaD-_ | thanks | 07:35 |
| |QuaD-_ | ee | 07:35 |
| abarbaccia | nice nice - im at PSU (well not right now) and i'm working on setting up an internship for this summer / fall | 07:36 |
| abarbaccia | so im talking to people at IBM (down in austin TX) and lockheed martin (MD) and the NSA (MD) - no offers yet - but hopefully within the week | 07:36 |
| |QuaD-_ | i got into psu :) i shoulda gone there | 07:37 |
| |QuaD-_ | but it was tooo far away from everything | 07:37 |
| |QuaD-_ | my bestfriend went there | 07:37 |
| abarbaccia | psu is great - a lot cheaper than BU ( i was planning on goign to cornell - got in and all - but too much $$ ) | 07:38 |
| |QuaD-_ | heh | 07:39 |
| |QuaD-_ | psu is huge | 07:39 |
| abarbaccia | i love it - the city of boston is huger | 07:40 |
| abarbaccia | lol | 07:40 |
| |QuaD-_ | oh, i LOVE boston | 07:40 |
| |QuaD-_ | whats your major? | 07:41 |
| abarbaccia | computer engineering | 07:44 |
| |QuaD-_ | cool | 07:44 |
| abarbaccia | yea, i like it a lot - some of the real programming stuff is dull - but the "engineering" part is really cool | 07:45 |
| |QuaD-_ | heh, cse majors shouldn't be doing that much programing | 07:46 |
| |QuaD-_ | i took most of the cse classes at bu, i just wanted to stay ee | 07:46 |
| abarbaccia | tell that to my school - they think computer engineering and computer sci should be the same until senior year | 07:46 |
| |QuaD-_ | oh, here cse is basically ee, they just focus more on the computer end of ee | 07:47 |
| |QuaD-_ | but anyone, i am sure they would love to teach you how to become an motu if you really want to | 07:48 |
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| abarbaccia | alright - sounds good - thanks for the help bud | 07:55 |
| abarbaccia | and congrats and graduatiopn | 07:55 |
| |QuaD-_ | thanks | 07:55 |
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| g14 | Who is the firefox maintainer? The latest update broke adding bookmarks and I thought I would let them know | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | firefox is maintained, so file a bug in bugzilla | 08:24 |
| g14 | ok | 08:24 |
| robitaille | g14, is this bug you are having? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10643 | 08:26 |
| robitaille | ^/is/is it/ | 08:26 |
| g14 | robitaille, sure is | 08:26 |
| g14 | robitaille, thanks | 08:29 |
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| \sh | morning | 09:07 |
| dahane | g'morning | 09:08 |
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| \sh | ok...trying to rebuild new pykde packages | 09:46 |
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| \sh | is there a "debian/changelog" macro for vim available? or emacs? ,-) | 09:59 |
| Treenaks | \sh: dch in package devscripts | 10:00 |
| \sh | Treenaks: thx :) | 10:01 |
| |QuaD-_ | i noticed that ubuntu calendar never came for april or may | 10:18 |
| Treenaks | |QuaD-_: poke teh jdub | 10:19 |
| |QuaD-_ | hehe, i was liking the girl in different poses that just hid enough to make her pictures socially acceptable | 10:19 |
| Treenaks | keep her then ;) | 10:21 |
| |QuaD-_ | i haven't taken her off :) just wanting a new one | 10:21 |
| Lathiat | eh dch is king | 10:26 |
| thom | \sh: there's apparently an emacs mode in devscripts-el, too | 10:26 |
| Lathiat | only found out about that recently | 10:26 |
| thom | (if you're that way inclined, anyway) | 10:26 |
| Lathiat | i tried to get my head around emacs, im too vim ingrained | 10:27 |
| Lathiat | but emacs seems to do some cool stuff i havent seen work so well in vim | 10:27 |
| Lathiat | i probably just need to learn to use vim better | 10:27 |
| \sh | thom: i will check it :) | 10:31 |
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| \sh | hmmm | 10:50 |
| \sh | if i'm making a call to dh_installinit -- defaults 23 e.g. and have an init.d script available, do I have to call update-rc.d again in debian/postinst? | 10:50 |
| \sh | lintian is complaining about it | 10:50 |
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| ivoks | hi | 01:31 |
| ajmitch_ | hi ivoks | 01:32 |
| ivoks | ajmitch_ go get some sleep :) | 01:35 |
| ajmitch_ | it's not even midnight here | 01:36 |
| ivoks | lol | 01:36 |
| === ajmitch_ is still working on some packages ;) | ||
| ajmitch_ | I haven't uploaded enough today ;) | 01:39 |
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| ivoks | :) | 01:42 |
| ajmitch_ | hey koke | 01:42 |
| ajmitch_ | how are you? | 01:42 |
| koke | hi ! | 01:42 |
| koke | ajmitch_: fine thanks :) | 01:42 |
| === ajmitch_ tests out the rebuilt ethereal debs | ||
| koke | I'm trying to package shtoom | 01:43 |
| koke | but I have a problem | 01:43 |
| koke | a python setup.py clean -a generates shtoom/__init__.pyc | 01:44 |
| koke | so it can't make the diff.gz :( | 01:44 |
| thom | koke: shtoom is already packaged | 01:44 |
| thom | please don't do it agian :-) | 01:44 |
| koke | doh! | 01:44 |
| thom | http://people.ubuntu.com/~daf/packages/shtoom | 01:45 |
| thom | it'll go into main soon | 01:45 |
| ajmitch_ | great, I didn't break ethereal | 01:45 |
| koke | is there any wiki page to find this kind of packages?? | 01:46 |
| koke | I think is the third one already packaged I try to package this week | 01:46 |
| ajmitch_ | thom: do you have an archive of your latest NM packages? | 01:47 |
| thom | ajmitch_: no; it's next on my list after kernel security patching | 01:50 |
| ajmitch_ | you got sucked into the kernel team as well? | 01:50 |
| thom | yeah | 01:51 |
| thom | idiot me | 01:51 |
| \sh | i can't work like that | 02:03 |
| \sh | everything is fscking here...:( | 02:04 |
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| \sh | ser is just finished | 02:08 |
| ivoks | wtf... | 02:08 |
| \sh | need only to fix one issue with lintian | 02:08 |
| thom | \sh: woop | 02:09 |
| ivoks | i connect my canon 300d to comp, and usb-storage doesn't load | 02:09 |
| \sh | thom: well...at least u can help me to get a clue ;) | 02:09 |
| \sh | dh_installinit -- defaults 23 | 02:09 |
| thom | paste the error here? | 02:09 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: does it work in ghtumb? | 02:09 |
| \sh | script-in-etc-init.d-not-registered-via-update-rc.d" | 02:10 |
| ivoks | Treenaks i don't work at all | 02:10 |
| ivoks | Treenaks gthumb starts after usb-storage | 02:10 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: put it in "playback" mode (instead of "take pictures" mode) | 02:10 |
| ivoks | Treenaks heh, playback mode | 02:11 |
| ivoks | canon 300d :) | 02:11 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: review mode then? | 02:11 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: the mode you switch the camera into when you want to view the pictures on the flashcard, instead of taking new ones | 02:12 |
| ivoks | ok.. gtkam see it | 02:12 |
| ivoks | Treenaks canon 300d doesn't have that mode... you can see pictures in all modes | 02:12 |
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| Treenaks | ivoks: oh.. ok.. it's modeless :) | 02:12 |
| ivoks | Treenaks it has too many modes to have one more, stoopid one like playback mode :) | 02:13 |
| ivoks | this is a dSLR | 02:13 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: I know the 300d (by name) :) | 02:13 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: it's just that most cameras have one :) | 02:13 |
| ivoks | i know | 02:14 |
| ivoks | i like gtkam | 02:14 |
| ivoks | nice... there is gimp plugin for raw photos | 02:15 |
| ivoks | wow... i could do some serius editing on linux :) | 02:15 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: :) | 02:15 |
| ivoks | nice, gthumb2 works too... | 02:16 |
| ivoks | too bad, this isn't usb-storage... | 02:16 |
| ivoks | i was so sure it is... | 02:17 |
| ivoks | hm... shouldn't gnome-volume-manager detect camera and start gthumb2? | 02:18 |
| mjr | should | 02:18 |
| ivoks | hm... | 02:18 |
| ajmitch_ | yep, unless you're using breezy & that bug hasn't been fixed ;) | 02:18 |
| ivoks | it is breezy :) | 02:19 |
| ajmitch_ | ivoks: you say it's not usb storage? | 02:19 |
| mjr | or it doesn't recognize your particular camera, in which case report... | 02:19 |
| mjr | ah :) | 02:19 |
| === Amaranth is down to two things stopping the dbus upgrade | ||
| ivoks | ajmitch_ it looks like it isn't | 02:19 |
| === ajmitch_ is lagged++ | ||
| ajmitch_ | ivoks: try 'modprobe sd_mod' anyway | 02:19 |
| ivoks | usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage | 02:19 |
| ivoks | USB Mass Storage support registered. | 02:19 |
| ivoks | usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 2 | 02:19 |
| ivoks | usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 | 02:19 |
| ivoks | ajmitch_ i did... | 02:19 |
| ivoks | no effect | 02:19 |
| ajmitch_ | ok | 02:20 |
| ajmitch_ | Amaranth: you're doing well, there's a bunch of stuff synaptic wants to remove :) | 02:20 |
| ivoks | ok... | 02:20 |
| ivoks | on debian and gentoo I had gnome-volume-manager | 02:20 |
| Amaranth | well, it wants to remove a lot but a lot of that is because it's been replaced with new stuff | 02:20 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: ah, running breezy? then volume-manager got deinstalled when dbus got upgradeed. re-isntall gnome-volume-manager | 02:21 |
| Amaranth | but libdbus-cil and tomboy are the two i can't get rid of | 02:21 |
| ajmitch_ | Amaranth: it wants to remove kde :) | 02:21 |
| ivoks | Treenaks broken deps... | 02:21 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch_: oh, you're one of those | 02:21 |
| ajmitch_ | you could argue that kde could be replaced by gnome ;) | 02:21 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: wait for a short while | 02:21 |
| ajmitch_ | Amaranth: yes, I'm a GNOME user that has KDE installed | 02:21 |
| ivoks | Treenaks no problem... | 02:21 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: the fixed version has been uploaded | 02:21 |
| thom | ivoks: expect stuff to break in breezy *shrug* | 02:21 |
| === Treenaks usually just plugs the CF into a separate reader.. works too | ||
| ivoks | thom that's ok | 02:21 |
| ivoks | thom i lived with sid for years... i know that feeling :) | 02:22 |
| ajmitch_ | expect things to seriously break soon :) | 02:22 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch_: I must not have that much of KDE installed. I get nothing from KDE removed. | 02:22 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:23 |
| Amaranth | things are going to start to seriously break on monday | 02:23 |
| ajmitch_ | Amaranth: kdebase-kio-plugins depends on dbus-1 | 02:23 |
| ajmitch_ | Amaranth: it'll be fun! | 02:23 |
| Amaranth | yeah, maybe i'll get something done in universe for once :) | 02:23 |
| Amaranth | all those C++ packages... | 02:23 |
| === ajmitch_ will hopefully do some work for a change | ||
| ivoks | ok... dist-upgrade 80MB :) | 02:24 |
| ivoks | breezy is much more active then sid | 02:25 |
| ajmitch_ | that's fairly small | 02:25 |
| ajmitch_ | only because sid is slowing down for the sarge release at the moment :) | 02:25 |
| ivoks | i know | 02:25 |
| ajmitch_ | and most breezy action is because of sid | 02:26 |
| ivoks | hm... | 02:27 |
| ivoks | maybe if I restart gnome... :) | 02:28 |
| === ajmitch_ needs more bandwidth | ||
| ajmitch_ | this package is taking an age to upload | 02:28 |
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| ivoks | i'll be back | 02:29 |
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| ivoks | hm... i have to start gthumb manually... | 02:33 |
| ajmitch_ | malone+motu meeting in < 8 hours | 02:36 |
| ajmitch_ | time for me to sleep, package finally uploaded (hopefully it gets accepted) | 02:36 |
| ivoks | ok.. what's malone? :) | 02:36 |
| ajmitch_ | *gasp* | 02:36 |
| ajmitch_ | the bugtracker we should all use for universe :) | 02:37 |
| ajmitch_ | launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone | 02:37 |
| ivoks | ah.. right | 02:37 |
| ajmitch_ | night all, I'll try & be here in 7 hours or so :) | 02:40 |
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| \sh | grmpf | 02:47 |
| \sh | amazing...ppv cluster is crashing... | 02:48 |
| ogra | \sh, run it on ubuntu ;) | 02:49 |
| \sh | ogra: hehe...seachange has a solution running under linux at all ;) beta stage ;) | 02:49 |
| \sh | but whats annoying, i can't work on my packages | 02:50 |
| ogra | \sh, so request that they run it on ubuntu then ;) | 02:50 |
| \sh | ogra: it's not a matter of OS, it's a matter, that I can't do my work for ubuntu ;) | 02:53 |
| \sh | ok...building pykde again with patches applied ;) | 03:03 |
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| \sh | building ser again | 03:05 |
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| Amaranth | using cdbs, how can i rename a bunch of *.py files to *.bittorrent without breaking everything? | 03:48 |
| Amaranth | i've tried putting the script in build: and install:: | 03:49 |
| thom | see, "using cdbs" was your first mistake | 03:49 |
| crimsun | uh oh ;p | 03:49 |
| === thom g;d;r | ||
| Amaranth | i've even tried renaming the originals in makebuilddir (before anything else happens) but dpkg-source ignores the rename | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | yeah, well debhelper rules files scare me | 03:52 |
| Amaranth | so i use cdbs :) | 03:53 |
| thom | and cdbs doesn't scare you? not having a clue what's going on under the hood frightens me far more than writing dh_foo\ndh_bar | 03:53 |
| Amaranth | well, i think that's my problem | 03:54 |
| Amaranth | i need to get this script in _right_ before dh_install | 03:54 |
| Amaranth | so i'll probably have to use the crappy way | 03:55 |
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| Mithrandir | everybody should learn to write a rules script using just dpkg-dev. Just so you have a clue how package building works. | 03:55 |
| ogra | yes | 03:55 |
| Amaranth | *shudder* | 03:55 |
| Mithrandir | not because you want to do that most of the time, but so you _understand_ how it all fits together. | 03:56 |
| Amaranth | cdbs makes python packages so easy though | 03:56 |
| Mithrandir | *shrug*; you should still know how to do it with just dpkg-dev. | 03:56 |
| Mithrandir | anybody can write code which is so clever that he's unable to debug it himself. This is an instance of the same problem. | 03:57 |
| Mithrandir | (or design a cipher he can't break himself, and so on) | 03:57 |
| ogra | the fun is where someone transitioned a package to cdbs and didnt know how dpkg-dev works.... mono currently has nice things in this respect, like mono-*.install in the debian dir and additionally dh_install in the rules :) | 03:58 |
| ogra | installing everything twice :) | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, and then you suddenly get some silent breakage because some semantic or another changed. | 03:59 |
| ogra | yep... | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | Mithrandir: there was something about that on joelonsoftware. Basically if you code something using all the trick and such you know you are qualified to read and edit it. | 04:00 |
| womble | Amaranth: You might be thinking of Ken Thompson's quote: "Debugging software is much harder than writing it. Thus, if you program as cleverly as you can, you are by definition to dumb to debug it." | 04:01 |
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| Amaranth | womble: that's it | 04:01 |
| Amaranth | joel was quoting it | 04:01 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, it's a classic saying. | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | it's still true, though. :) | 04:02 |
| === Amaranth give up on making sense | ||
| Amaranth | i just reread what i typed | 04:02 |
| Amaranth | fuck, i did it again | 04:02 |
| Amaranth | english is my first language, so this is really bad :) | 04:02 |
| Lathiat | haha | 04:02 |
| ogra | oh | 04:02 |
| === Amaranth needs more caffeine | ||
| === Nafallo hands Amaranth a can of jolt :-) | ||
| \sh | i need a clone | 04:13 |
| === Amaranth has some red bull | ||
| diamond | \sh: of anything in particular? | 04:14 |
| \sh | diamond: no..only a clone of myself ;) | 04:14 |
| \sh | and a faster laptop | 04:14 |
| === diamond grins | ||
| \sh | thom: ping | 04:15 |
| Nafallo | \sh: clones are no good, go read Alien: Resurrection ;-) | 04:16 |
| \sh | Nafallo: well...then I need another wife and make a clone by myself ;) | 04:17 |
| Nafallo | \sh: hehe | 04:18 |
| Nafallo | *sigh* se.archive.ubuntu.com is really slow to rsync from. | 04:28 |
| Nafallo | atleast the first part of it. | 04:28 |
| Nafallo | (receiving file list ...) | 04:29 |
| === Amaranth debates losing tomboy to get new dbus | ||
| crimsun | it just needs to be recomp'd, no biggie | 04:35 |
| Amaranth | i thought the API completely changed | 04:35 |
| crimsun | oh? | 04:35 |
| Amaranth | hmm, how can cognito be at 0.8 when it's git underpinnings are only at 0.1 (0.2?) | 04:36 |
| crimsun | well in that case... | 04:36 |
| crimsun | 0.10 is going in soon | 04:36 |
| thom | Amaranth: just make sure tomboy is running before you remove it ;p | 04:36 |
| thom | crimsun: i just uploaded 0.10 | 04:36 |
| crimsun | thom: ja | 04:36 |
| Amaranth | thom: yeah, that'll work | 04:36 |
| thom | \sh: ack, kinda | 04:37 |
| ogra | tseng, ping | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | too bad vlc is going to be removed too | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | which i need | 04:37 |
| ogra | Amaranth, there are other players | 04:37 |
| Amaranth | ogra: PyMusique uses python-vlc | 04:37 |
| ogra | oops | 04:38 |
| ogra | there is a python-vlc ? | 04:38 |
| crimsun | (yep) | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | yeah, not sure is jlj made it or if it existed before | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | s/is/if/ | 04:38 |
| crimsun | I'm waiting on wxwidgets 2.6 to be introduced into Debian before asking for a resync of vlc | 04:38 |
| Amaranth | wait, newer vlc's use 2.6? | 04:39 |
| crimsun | no point in rebuilding in Breezy against 2.5 since it was ripped out of Debian's archive for licensing issues, among other things | 04:39 |
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| crimsun | Amaranth: Debian Sid's vlc uses wxwindows 2.4; Ubuntu Hoary's uses wxwidgets 2.5 | 04:39 |
| ogra | 2.6 is clean now ? | 04:39 |
| crimsun | ogra: I presume not yet, since I haven't seen any indication from Ron, the Debian developer, of it building from HEAD, and that's one of his qualifications for uploading 2.6 | 04:40 |
| ogra | ah | 04:41 |
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| \sh | *grmpf* | 04:52 |
| \sh | have to leave for repairing the cluster... | 04:52 |
| \sh | and again more then 10 hours work | 04:52 |
| \sh | cu later guys | 04:52 |
| diamond | bye \sh | 04:52 |
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| doko | ogra: is dholbach here? | 05:25 |
| jabra | why doesn't anyone in here use screen? | 06:14 |
| thom | jabra: i think you exagerate somewhat | 06:14 |
| thom | and it's hard to run xchat in screen anyway | 06:15 |
| jabra | it just seems like everyone quits at the end of the day | 06:15 |
| jabra | I dunno your probably right | 06:16 |
| ogra | doko, nope, working on his thesis.... he'll be around for the malone meeting | 06:33 |
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| koke | jabra: I use screen but not for IRC | 06:45 |
| koke | anyway, my laptop sleeps with me :) | 06:45 |
| koke | at the same times, I mean | 06:45 |
| koke | doh, launchpad zope dead again :( | 06:47 |
| koke | I was trying to do my malone homework :) | 06:47 |
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| koke | anyone knows what to do with https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/618 ?? | 06:48 |
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| Nafallo | dholbach: welcome :-) | 07:14 |
| dholbach | hey | 07:14 |
| ogra | hey ? | 07:17 |
| dholbach | ogra: hm? | 07:18 |
| Amaranth | btw, does anyone else think malone looks like ass? :) | 07:19 |
| ogra | dholbach, hm | 07:20 |
| ogra | :) | 07:20 |
| thom | Amaranth: thoroughly no comment | 07:20 |
| ogra | Amaranth, did you see it in the "prehugefont" time ? | 07:20 |
| Amaranth | nope | 07:20 |
| ogra | with correct fonts it looked quite good | 07:21 |
| dholbach | we're getting older, so don't mind the fonts :-) | 07:21 |
| ogra | heh | 07:21 |
| ogra | thats what glasses are for, no ? | 07:21 |
| Amaranth | all that space on the sides wasted but the columns are squished together, things are cut off and overlapping, and there is text that is styled like buttons | 07:22 |
| ogra | yep | 07:22 |
| dholbach | you can all tell this bradb, kiko and bjornt in 2h40m :-) | 07:22 |
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| ogra | heh | 07:22 |
| Amaranth | oops, i deleted everything on the page | 07:23 |
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| herve | hi | 07:25 |
| dholbach | hey herve! | 07:25 |
| herve | what a surprise! :-) | 07:26 |
| dholbach | what do you mean? | 07:27 |
| herve | seeing you her | 07:27 |
| herve | e | 07:27 |
| dholbach | :) | 07:27 |
| dholbach | working day is over... right? :-) | 07:27 |
| herve | YES | 07:28 |
| Nafallo | dooh, de.a.u.c has wrong Release.gpgs or something? | 07:29 |
| === Nafallo tries to sync from a.u.c next *sigh* | ||
| Amaranth | that happens when the mirror is updating | 07:29 |
| Amaranth | archive.ubuntu.com is a round-robin, isn't it? | 07:30 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: nope | 07:30 |
| herve | so... | 07:30 |
| herve | how many have broke their system with the new dbus/hal? | 07:30 |
| herve | :-) | 07:30 |
| Nafallo | herve: thanx for warning ;-) | 07:30 |
| herve | synaptic wanting to remove ubuntu-desktop was enough a warning for me | 07:31 |
| Nafallo | ahh, same :-) | 07:31 |
| dholbach | what does it want to remove as well? sound-juicer? | 07:31 |
| Amaranth | herve: I'm waiting on tomboy and vlc fixes first. :) | 07:31 |
| dholbach | tomboy needs a bigger than the dbus fix ;-) | 07:32 |
| dholbach | as ogra told me | 07:32 |
| Nafallo | Amaranth: btw, I haven't had those issues with neither se.a.u.c nor a.u.c | 07:32 |
| ogra | Amaranth, with a little luck mono is fixed (basically at least) with my next upload.... then i'll get to tomboy | 07:32 |
| dholbach | ok... so vlc as well | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | yay! | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | more than the dbus fix? what do you mean? | 07:33 |
| dholbach | it's not only dbus that broke tomboy :-) | 07:33 |
| ogra | lol | 07:33 |
| dholbach | or did i say something wrong, ogra? :-) | 07:35 |
| ogra | hmm... if we forget about dependencys.... nope :) | 07:35 |
| Amaranth | oh, you mean the fact that all mono apps have no depencenies now? | 07:36 |
| ogra | yep | 07:36 |
| ogra | this too | 07:36 |
| Amaranth | btw, the topic is stale | 07:43 |
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| Amaranth | that was fast | 07:43 |
| herve | what do you expect | 07:47 |
| herve | we are the masters of the universe! | 07:47 |
| Amaranth | you blink and things happen? :) | 07:48 |
| dholbach | yeah... stuff breaks ;-) | 07:48 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 07:48 |
| Nafallo | lol | 07:48 |
| herve | then you sneeze and a planet explodes :-) | 07:48 |
| Nafallo | herve: ey! I like ubuntu planet :-P | 07:49 |
| Nafallo | or planet ubuntu ;-) | 07:49 |
| herve | let's first try on aldorande! | 07:51 |
| thom | itym alderaan ;-) | 07:52 |
| herve | I just know star wars in french | 08:02 |
| dholbach | does MOTUNewPackages and MOTUToReview look soooo bad? | 08:03 |
| === herve thinking of a workflow driven application for new packages | ||
| === ogra lols at "we need source packages" | ||
| herve | "and I thought debian was a binary distribution!" | 08:05 |
| herve | :-) | 08:05 |
| dholbach | Riddell: could you explain "the libraries are beasties with that release, they will go away in future releases, no need for separate packages" wrt to krecipes? | 08:06 |
| dholbach | Riddell: i'm not that much into kde, so i don't know what's going on | 08:06 |
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| dholbach | hey bradb | 08:27 |
| bradb | hi dholbach | 08:27 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 08:27 |
| dholbach | how was japan? | 08:27 |
| bradb | good thanks. japan was amazingly cool.l | 08:28 |
| bradb | s/l$// | 08:28 |
| bradb | how's things with you? | 08:28 |
| dholbach | should be doing more for my thesis ;-) | 08:29 |
| dholbach | but i'm fine thanks :-) | 08:29 |
| bradb | heh | 08:29 |
| herve | dholbach, that's not things to say in front of me :-) | 08:29 |
| dholbach | herve: i know... one day you'll really punish me for what i did ;-) | 08:30 |
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| goofrider | hello? | 08:33 |
| herve | yes, motu speaking | 08:34 |
| goofrider | anyone knows where I can get some doco on how to package python stuff | 08:34 |
| goofrider | ? | 08:34 |
| herve | debian new maintainer's guide + python policy | 08:34 |
| goofrider | I read the new-maint guide but it doesn't say anything about upstream source that didn't come with a MakeFile | 08:34 |
| herve | well, just do what the install doc says, but manually | 08:35 |
| goofrider | I'm kinda lost on how to modify setup.py | 08:35 |
| herve | I mean, in your debian/rules | 08:35 |
| === ogra dances around wildly throwing free beer around | ||
| abarbaccia | lots of gstreamer stuff today | 08:35 |
| ogra | MONO BUILT !! | 08:35 |
| thom | goofrider: you don't modify it, you just run it with the right arguments | 08:35 |
| herve | modifying setup.py? | 08:35 |
| abarbaccia | good job ogra! | 08:35 |
| Amaranth | ogra: amd64? | 08:36 |
| Lathiat | ogwoo :) | 08:36 |
| Lathiat | ogra: woo. | 08:36 |
| ogra | abarbaccia, its just building for now.... there has still a lot to be done | 08:36 |
| ogra | amd64, yes | 08:36 |
| ogra | and all mono apps should have dependencys again after the next rebuild | 08:36 |
| Amaranth | yay | 08:36 |
| thom | goofrider: ie, in my install: target i have something like "python2.3 setup.py install --no-compile --prefix=$(PYTHON23)/usr" | 08:36 |
| goofrider | run it with the right arguments so that the files to be installed will be under ./debian when I package it? | 08:36 |
| === thom bows down and worships ogra | ||
| ogra | :-D | 08:37 |
| thom | goofrider: where PYTHON23 := $(shell pwd)/debian/python2.3-pygsm | 08:37 |
| Amaranth | I just use cdbs and have it too all that junk for me. :) | 08:38 |
| Amaranth | s/too/do/ | 08:38 |
| thom | Amaranth: we've _had_ this discussion :-) | 08:38 |
| Amaranth | yeah, yeah, dpkg-dev | 08:38 |
| Riddell | dholbach: that krecipies has a couple of libraries in it, they are only there because the guy didn't set up automake properly, they should just be part of the executable rather than .so files and will be in future releases | 08:40 |
| Riddell | dholbach: so the idea of separating the executable and the library is superfluous | 08:40 |
| dholbach | ahhhhhhhh ok | 08:40 |
| herve | yet another discussion we've had :-) | 08:41 |
| goofrider | lemme read the python-policy, I haven't read that yet. Thanks for the tips though | 08:43 |
| goofrider | more RTFM LOL | 08:43 |
| herve | welcome to our world :-) | 08:44 |
| Amaranth | Let's BTFM | 08:44 |
| Amaranth | Burn The Fucking Manual | 08:44 |
| goofrider | LMAO | 08:44 |
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| goofrider | anyways, I wanted to see a couple packages in Universe and I thought making a DEB first and hand it to u guys might stand a better chance of getting them accepted | 08:45 |
| goofrider | am I on the right track? | 08:45 |
| Amaranth | goofrider: Absolutely. | 08:46 |
| goofrider | :) | 08:46 |
| goofrider | hey where's the python-policy? | 08:46 |
| dholbach | if you announce your source packages on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages the chances are even better | 08:46 |
| goofrider | it's not in the Debian-Policy package | 08:46 |
| Amaranth | btw, what packages are you working on? | 08:47 |
| goofrider | Gnochm | 08:47 |
| goofrider | and it's dependancy, pychm | 08:47 |
| goofrider | it's a Windows CHM help file viewer, like xCHM | 08:47 |
| goofrider | but uses GTK bindings | 08:47 |
| Amaranth | neat | 08:47 |
| Nafallo | damn | 08:49 |
| Nafallo | I shouldn't have rm'd those books :-P | 08:49 |
| goofrider | what books? | 08:50 |
| goofrider | BTW, should I put **my** name in MOUTNewPackages? Or should I just leave it blank? | 08:51 |
| Nafallo | the ones I downloaded that were in .chm format :-P | 08:51 |
| abarbaccia | ogra, i want to help out with mono and beagle - what should i do? | 08:51 |
| goofrider | Nafallo: xCHM works well | 08:51 |
| dholbach | goofrider: your name, name of the packages and the location of those | 08:51 |
| herve | abarbaccia, light candles and pray :-) | 08:51 |
| dholbach | like the other guys did | 08:51 |
| Nafallo | goofrider: can't remember. I think I tried it... | 08:51 |
| dholbach | herve: :-) | 08:51 |
| abarbaccia | herve, lol | 08:51 |
| abarbaccia | if i updated to a new kernel - would that explain why my wireless network card is no longer detected? | 08:52 |
| Amaranth | you use ndiswrapper? | 08:52 |
| Nafallo | abarbaccia: probably. is it in the kernel? | 08:52 |
| herve | abarbaccia, I found breezy in its actual state don't load modules automatically | 08:52 |
| ogra | abarbaccia, there is currently not much to do, the packages are quite ok, just need some small dependency changes, manpages and a rebuild... but for now they even cant build because we have to wait for a gtk-sharp and dbus rebuild | 08:52 |
| herve | I even have to modprobe sd_mod for usb keys! | 08:53 |
| abarbaccia | Amaranth, no, its the included ATX 110 stuff in the kernel | 08:53 |
| ogra | abarbaccia, but anyway, join the MOUTMono team ;) | 08:53 |
| ogra | argl | 08:53 |
| Amaranth | MOUT? :) | 08:53 |
| ogra | MOTUMono | 08:53 |
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| ogra | :) | 08:53 |
| === dholbach enables Amaranth's mod_speling | ||
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| Nafallo | dholbach: better do it for ogra ;-) | 08:54 |
| abarbaccia | ogra, i don't know much about beagle, and less about mono | 08:54 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: mod_speling is about spelling correction :-) | 08:54 |
| thom | mod_speling is serious crack :-) | 08:55 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: ehm... yes? :-) "MOUTMono" above, referenced by Amaranth ;-) | 08:55 |
| ogra | abarbaccia, me neither :) its mostly about packaging... and bug hunting.... there are always people to ask about stuff you dont know ;) | 08:55 |
| abarbaccia | ogra, alright - then i'm in - i want to somehow get beagle to search thunderbird mail to | 08:55 |
| ogra | hmm, so go out into the wild wild internet and find a beagle patch ;) | 08:56 |
| abarbaccia | there are none | 08:56 |
| thom | tbird doesn't store in an mbox or maildir locally or anything that useful? | 08:56 |
| abarbaccia | thom, i believe it stores it locally but it doesnt get indexed for some reason - it's odd | 08:57 |
| Amaranth | I thought beagle didn't search in dot files and dirs. | 08:57 |
| thom | Amaranth: ah, that'd do it | 08:57 |
| abarbaccia | Amaranth, right - which is the problem - somehow you gotta specify it | 08:57 |
| Amaranth | plus, you'll probably want to make a thunderbird extension | 08:58 |
| Amaranth | like the firefox one | 08:58 |
| Amaranth | otherwise beagle will treat it like a file | 08:58 |
| abarbaccia | Amaranth, that would most likely be the easiest way | 08:58 |
| abarbaccia | If you compile beagle by scratch you can enable the thunderbird extension the author started on but never finished - it doesn't work - but it should lay down some framework and there are reports of people having limited success | 09:00 |
| abarbaccia | more of a bealge topic tho then a motu topic - i might contact the developer and see if i can help him out any | 09:02 |
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| dholbach | goofrider: erm... where are the source packages (.diff.gz, .dsc, .orig.tar.gz) of the gnomechm packages? | 09:11 |
| goofrider | still working on them | 09:12 |
| goofrider | LOL | 09:13 |
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| dholbach | would you please announce it once they're ready? :-) | 09:13 |
| goofrider | I'll try to get it done this afternoon | 09:13 |
| dholbach | take your time | 09:13 |
| goofrider | my frist package so don't hold your breath.. still reading the python-policy manual | 09:13 |
| goofrider | LMAO | 09:13 |
| koke | the builders use gcc 4.0 or 3.4 ?? | 09:14 |
| goofrider | but yeah, I'll give u a holler when I get it build | 09:14 |
| dholbach | gcc4.0 and g++3.4 | 09:14 |
| koke | ok, so qemu 0.7 will have to wait | 09:14 |
| dholbach | goofrider: if you look at existing packages (apt-get source <bla>) it might help :-) | 09:14 |
| goofrider | yeah will do, thanks :) | 09:15 |
| dholbach | wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips and wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto are good (apart from the debian documentation) | 09:15 |
| goofrider | k, thanks a lot. u guys been gr8 | 09:16 |
| dholbach | anytime :-) | 09:17 |
| goofrider | dholbach, what python package would u think I should disect? | 09:18 |
| goofrider | I need an app and a lib | 09:18 |
| dholbach | a gnome-python package? | 09:18 |
| goofrider | yup | 09:18 |
| Amaranth | dholbach: I thought it was 4.0 and 3.3 | 09:19 |
| herve | I know one, which I inspired from | 09:19 |
| herve | but it's not gnome | 09:19 |
| goofrider | what is it? | 09:19 |
| herve | erm | 09:19 |
| herve | thinking about it, I'm sure there was a binary | 09:19 |
| herve | reportlab | 09:19 |
| goofrider | it shouldn't matter if it's gnome or not.. I just need an example debian/rules | 09:19 |
| herve | s/sure/not sure | 09:20 |
| dholbach | a nice cdbs example :-) | 09:20 |
| herve | er... no :-) | 09:20 |
| Amaranth | smeg is a nice cdbs example :) | 09:21 |
| dholbach | cdbs ROCKS | 09:21 |
| ogra | bah | 09:21 |
| dholbach | goofrider: i remove your entry again, ok? | 09:23 |
| dholbach | ogra: ? | 09:23 |
| goofrider | np | 09:23 |
| ogra | dholbach, you know my opinion about cdbs :-P | 09:23 |
| dholbach | ogra: yeah... you love it and you sent anonymous fan mails to jeff bailey | 09:24 |
| ogra | hrm, exactly... hmpf | 09:24 |
| goofrider | so i should use cdbs or dh_make? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | both | 09:25 |
| dholbach | dh_make gives you *lots* of template stuff for your package | 09:25 |
| dholbach | you can safely remove around 70% of them ;-) | 09:25 |
| herve | dholbach, not cdbs for a first package | 09:25 |
| herve | he needs to understand what's going on | 09:25 |
| ogra | goofrider, if you want to learn everything, use dh_make only .... if you wnat it easy use cdbs only... if you want to be cool, learn both ;) | 09:25 |
| dholbach | goofrider: ok you hear the other guys: i have "just another opinion", i like cdbs VERY much | 09:26 |
| dholbach | yes, learn both | 09:26 |
| ogra | yep | 09:26 |
| goofrider | I only RTFM'd the usual suspects like dh_make and pbuilder,I didn't know about cdbs at all | 09:26 |
| dholbach | if you look at around 200 packages and try to see sense in them you will succeed | 09:26 |
| dholbach | :-) | 09:27 |
| ogra | goofrider, start with dh_make, to see some results and learn the basics, then have a look at cdbs | 09:27 |
| goofrider | I'll read about cdbs as well then | 09:27 |
| herve | and dpatch!! | 09:27 |
| Amaranth | cdbs is good for newbs | 09:27 |
| ogra | cdbs is cool for mass packaging.... | 09:27 |
| ogra | Amaranth, absolutely not | 09:27 |
| Amaranth | once you need more control you can learn debhelper | 09:27 |
| ogra | Amaranth, but we had this discussion before... | 09:28 |
| Amaranth | ogra: yeah, yeah, dpkg-dev | 09:28 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: you can control everything in the build targets and use dh_* in there | 09:28 |
| herve | ogra, industrial vs artisanal? :-) | 09:28 |
| ogra | Amaranth, if you fix others packages its most likely that they are packaged with debhelper | 09:28 |
| tritium | dholbach, I like cdbs too | 09:28 |
| ogra | herve, yeah ! | 09:28 |
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| tritium | :) | 09:29 |
| Amaranth | ogra: But learning debhelper for a first package is overwhelming. | 09:29 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: step-by-step it's ok | 09:29 |
| goofrider | there ought to be a list of all these packaging tools on the wiki... there're way to many ways package | 09:29 |
| ogra | Amaranth, but its essential to understand the basics.... you wont learn them with cdbs | 09:29 |
| dholbach | if you try to let pbuilder accept your package that's a good start | 09:29 |
| dholbach | after that you'll always have this channel to run to | 09:30 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: OK, so what's the plan, how do I help? | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: (with my brand-new breezy chroot) | 09:36 |
| dholbach | we will start on tuesday | 09:36 |
| dholbach | transitioning all the c++ libraries | 09:36 |
| koke | meeting in 30 minutes?? | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: ok, that's automagic? | 09:36 |
| koke | or 90? | 09:37 |
| dholbach | not completely | 09:37 |
| dholbach | 30 | 09:37 |
| dholbach | 23 | 09:37 |
| dholbach | the attack plan is well documented on BreezyToolchainTransition and CxxLibraryList | 09:38 |
| dholbach | the c++ apps will be frozen and recompiled after that | 09:38 |
| dholbach | we will apply patches, rename the library (binary) package, adjust .shlibs (if necessary), file a bugreport on b.u.c with the debdiff and be happy | 09:39 |
| Treenaks | then we pick out the build failures? | 09:39 |
| dholbach | pick out the build failures? | 09:40 |
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| Treenaks | dholbach: yes.. you don't expect everything to build perfectly on rebuild right? | 09:42 |
| dholbach | the applications? | 09:42 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: AND the c++ libraries | 09:42 |
| dholbach | we have millions of patches | 09:42 |
| dholbach | on UniverseCxxTransition and in b.u.c | 09:44 |
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| bradb | so, MOTU'ers...Malone meeting in 3 mins in #ubuntu-meeting! | 09:58 |
| tseng|work | yes | 09:59 |
| ogra | ah, tseng|work | 10:00 |
| ogra | tseng|work, i had to rip out the cli-common build dep from mono to make it compile, do you know if its really needed ? | 10:00 |
| ogra | guys join #ubuntu-meeting malone is for us.... | 10:03 |
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| tritium | s/a/an | 10:05 |
| dholbach | bye tritium | 10:08 |
| bur[n] er | hi all | 10:09 |
| bur[n] er | anyone been able to get azureus-2.3.0.deb from sid working? I get some gtk3 .deb as missing | 10:10 |
| herve | gtk3? already? :-) | 10:11 |
| bur[n] er | sorry, forgot the exact package | 10:12 |
| bur[n] er | one sec | 10:12 |
| bur[n] er | but the .deb for it will not install for some reason | 10:12 |
| bur[n] er | libswt-gtk-3.1-java | 10:13 |
| bur[n] er | that's the package needed | 10:13 |
| herve | ha! | 10:13 |
| herve | got it | 10:13 |
| bur[n] er | ooh... i may have not just followed the dependencies fully | 10:14 |
| bur[n] er | hrm... i'll test this later | 10:14 |
| bur[n] er | libswt-gtk-3.1-jni_3.0 3.1M4-3_i386.deb | 10:14 |
| bur[n] er | that's the package needed from sid... but i cna' download it via any of their mirrors | 10:14 |
| bur[n] er | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/swt-gtk/libswt-gtk-3.1-jni_3.0%203.1M4-3_i386.deb | 10:14 |
| bur[n] er | doh, wrong link... here it is http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool/main/s/swt-gtk/libswt-gtk-3.1-jni_3.0+3.1M4-3_i386.deb&md5sum=3392a50c6f4e266852ae7531bbe47b8b&arch=i386&type=main | 10:15 |
| bur[n] er | on that note... i'll be idling... see ya | 10:15 |
| tseng|work | ogra: cli-common is needed to run dh_* on mono itself, yes | 10:20 |
| tseng|work | why wasnt it installable? | 10:20 |
| ogra | tseng|work, because cli-common wasnt installable... | 10:21 |
| ogra | tseng|work, so it couldnt build... | 10:21 |
| tseng|work | thats what i mean | 10:21 |
| tseng|work | didnt we ever get it built? | 10:21 |
| ogra | we did... | 10:21 |
| tseng|work | so, whats the deal now? | 10:21 |
| ogra | mono is there currently, but built without cli-common dep.... next build will fix that, since its installable now... i'll look into why it was failing.... | 10:22 |
| darkaudit | anyone using the DirectX 9 patch for WINE? | 10:23 |
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| \sh | re | 10:36 |
| dahane | wb | 10:38 |
| \sh | sorry for being late...but work is much more important :( | 10:39 |
| dholbach | -> #ubuntu-meeting | 10:40 |
| \sh | right there ;) listening and synchronizing ;) | 10:43 |
| tseng|work | going home | 10:48 |
| herve | night all | 10:48 |
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| tseng | hi | 11:48 |
| dholbach | hey tseng | 11:48 |
| tseng | whats up? | 11:48 |
| tseng | meeting over? | 11:48 |
| dholbach | no not yet | 11:49 |
| tseng | hm well i gave my input i guess | 11:49 |
| tseng | im not that thrilled about the "i cant fix this sucking because my boss wont let me" bit | 11:50 |
| ajmitch_ | hi tseng | 11:50 |
| tseng | hi andrew | 11:51 |
| dholbach | koke: when was it built? | 11:52 |
| koke | not sure, but IMO that is the kind of stuff I'd expect in a users ml/forum | 11:52 |
| koke | maybe I'm wrong | 11:52 |
| dholbach | it built 2004 | 11:53 |
| dholbach | before x.org presumably | 11:53 |
| dholbach | koke: | 11:56 |
| dholbach | cc1: warnings being treated as errors | 11:56 |
| dholbach | rw_x11.c: In function 'install_grabs': | 11:56 |
| dholbach | rw_x11.c:553: warning: unused variable 'MinorVersion' | 11:56 |
| dholbach | rw_x11.c:553: warning: unused variable 'MajorVersion' | 11:56 |
| \sh | well | 11:57 |
| dholbach | so 618 seems to be a bug :-) | 11:58 |
| koke | feature request for malone: filing bugs in persons :) | 11:58 |
| \sh | 618 isn't really a bug | 11:58 |
| koke | I need some of these | 11:59 |
| \sh | a real bug is when you receive a new cpu board and it's not working and u have to remove all the broken stuff just before you want to leave work :( | 11:59 |
| koke | \sh: I think you are having the same BOFH point of view than me :P | 11:59 |
| ajmitch_ | dholbach: well assigning that bug(or task) to me worked fine earlier :) | 12:00 |
| ajmitch_ | since I still play quake2 on my box ;) | 12:00 |
| \sh | koke: only when I'm coming home after 14 hours of work | 12:00 |
| dholbach | ajmitch_: excellent :- | 12:00 |
| dholbach | :-) | 12:00 |
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