| jbailey | Eh? I have 2 RT installations that I help manage now, and I used it at my last job. | 12:03 |
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| jbailey | It's a nice little package. | 12:03 |
| jbailey | Have you seen it version >= 3? | 12:03 |
| lamont | ncftp, not rt | 12:11 |
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| jbailey | ah, I've never hacked on the ncftp code. =) | 12:18 |
| jbailey | -march=i686 -mcpu=i686 | 01:15 |
| jbailey | Err. | 01:15 |
| jbailey | -march=i486 -mcpu=i686 | 01:15 |
| jbailey | Should that be -march=i386 -mtune=i686 ? | 01:15 |
| === jbailey watches the glibc build continue. | ||
| jbailey | I *definetly* need better ia32 hardware. | 01:39 |
| jbailey | lamont-away: It's building fine for me here... | 01:44 |
| jbailey | I'm using gcc-3.4 from Debian, current lkh and amd64-libs{-dev} from Ubuntu | 01:45 |
| jbailey | libgcc1 4.0 from Ubuntu | 01:45 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:31 |
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| svenl | about biarch ppc64 compilers and 4.0 : | 10:40 |
| svenl | 10:37 < alanm> svenl, gcc-4.0 cvs might be ok, but it hasn't been tested anywhere near as much as gcc-3.4. eg. the 4.0 | 10:40 |
| svenl | release is known to miscompile the linux kernel | 10:40 |
| svenl | doko: do you have any insight on this ? | 10:40 |
| doko | we have gcc-4.0 CVS 20050509 | 10:41 |
| svenl | doko: ok. | 10:42 |
| svenl | doko: question is if you can compile 64bit kernels with it. | 10:42 |
| svenl | doko: btw my debian/experimental gcc-4.0 build failed with : | 10:43 |
| svenl | fatal error: file gnat1drv.ali is incorrectly formatted | 10:43 |
| svenl | make sure you are using consistent versions of gcc-3.3/gnatbind | 10:43 |
| svenl | doko: are you sure the gnat build-dependency is as strict as is needed ? | 10:44 |
| doko | if you disable add, no | 10:44 |
| svenl | doko: disable add ? | 10:47 |
| doko | ada | 10:47 |
| svenl | doko: i just did a plain dpkg-buildpackage -B | 10:47 |
| doko | WITHOUT_LANG=ada dpkg-buildpackage ... | 10:47 |
| svenl | so i didn't touch the package. | 10:47 |
| svenl | mmm. | 10:47 |
| svenl | doko: so you want me to build and upload gcc-4.0 for powerpc without ada ? | 10:48 |
| doko | svenl: ehh? no! | 11:52 |
| svenl | doko: so ? | 11:54 |
| svenl | doko: i just did a plain dpkg-buildpackage -B, and the gnat stuff failed to build. | 11:54 |
| doko | misunderstanding, I thought you had problems wuth the biarch setup ... | 11:54 |
| doko | is gnat-3.3 or gnat-3.4 installed? | 11:54 |
| svenl | doko: so i was wondering if this was because i have gnat-3.3 or something. | 11:55 |
| svenl | ii gnat-3.3 3.3.6-4 The GNU Ada compiler | 11:55 |
| doko | very strange ... you can check with gnat-3.4 maybe | 11:55 |
| svenl | but the build-depends are ok, so if gnat-3.4 is needed, the build-depends need tightening. | 11:55 |
| doko | save the build logs | 11:55 |
| svenl | yep, will do a build this evening. | 11:55 |
| svenl | doko: you want the gnat-3.3 build log ? | 11:56 |
| doko | yes, could you email it? | 11:57 |
| svenl | doko : http://people.debian.org/~luther/gcc-4.0-gnat-3.3.log | 11:57 |
| doko | strange, it did build before, and on the ubuntu buildd's as well | 11:59 |
| svenl | with gnat-3.3 ? | 12:05 |
| doko | yes | 12:06 |
| svenl | doko: on powerpc ? | 12:06 |
| doko | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gcc-4.0/4.0.0-7ubuntu1/gcc-4.0_4.0.0-7ubuntu1_20050509-2138-powerpc-successful.bz2 | 12:06 |
| svenl | strange. | 12:06 |
| svenl | I will let aba build it, and we will see. | 12:07 |
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| fabbione | hey ladies | 04:22 |
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| fabbione | doko: did you read what i wrote on #ubuntu-devel ? | 04:23 |
| doko | fabbione, that's not an under 18 channel ;-P | 04:23 |
| fabbione | ahhaa | 04:25 |
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| jbailey | lamont, doko: I can't reproduce the configure time failure here for glibc on i386 targetting amd64. | 06:08 |
| jbailey | I did notice, however, that my thing moving the -O0 hack to a generic place didn't work. =( | 06:08 |
| lamont | jbailey: ew... | 06:11 |
| lamont | hrm... | 06:11 |
| svenl | jbailey: hi. | 07:58 |
| svenl | jbailey: glibc build failed because the 64bit build dir was not populated. | 07:58 |
| jbailey | svenl: Eh? | 08:05 |
| jbailey | svenl: Here, lemme produce a .deb for you. | 08:05 |
| jbailey | With both passes, it'll take about 40 minutes. | 08:05 |
| jbailey | ... | 08:05 |
| jbailey | to build. | 08:05 |
| jbailey | Lemme assemble it first. | 08:05 |
| svenl | jbailey: i rebuild glibc-2.3.5 (from your web page), with the gcc from doko, and it failed when it tried to build the ppc64 stuff, because that dir was empty. | 08:05 |
| svenl | jbailey: that's not the problem, i am investigating the build on ppc32 part of it. | 08:06 |
| svenl | jbailey: let me relocate on the powerbook, so i can tell you more about this error. | 08:08 |
| jbailey | svenl: 'kay. I can't talk long today. I munged my wrist last night, so I'm avoiding typing today. | 08:09 |
| svenl | jbailey: but you can read :) | 08:10 |
| jbailey | Right. =) | 08:10 |
| svenl | jbailey: or we can try a voip debugging session :) | 08:10 |
| jbailey | True. If I were at home, I'd just call you, it's 5 a minute for me to europe. | 08:10 |
| jbailey | I should setup voip sometime. | 08:11 |
| svenl | root@tael:~/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/powerpc-ppc64# ls | 08:12 |
| svenl | config.log configparms | 08:12 |
| svenl | you see there is only this. | 08:12 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/make -C build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 -j 1 \ | 08:12 |
| svenl | install_root=/home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/debian/tmp-ppc64 install | 08:12 |
| svenl | make[1] : entrant dans le rpertoire /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 | 08:12 |
| svenl | make[1] : *** Pas de rgle pour fabriquer la cible install . Arrt. | 08:13 |
| jbailey | What's the failure at the bottom of the log file? | 08:13 |
| svenl | and there it fsails. | 08:13 |
| jbailey | No, it fails before that. | 08:13 |
| svenl | well, i guess there is no Makedile in that dir. | 08:13 |
| jbailey | It just doesn't kill the build. | 08:13 |
| jbailey | We pipe stuff through tee, so we lose return codes. | 08:13 |
| jbailey | It can fail *way* before that point. | 08:13 |
| svenl | touch /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/stamp-dir/install_libc | 08:13 |
| svenl | Installing ppc64 | 08:13 |
| svenl | rm -rf /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/debian/tmp-ppc64 | 08:13 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/make -C build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 -j 1 \ | 08:13 |
| svenl | install_root=/home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/debian/tmp-ppc64 install | 08:13 |
| svenl | make[1] : entrant dans le rpertoire /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 | 08:13 |
| svenl | make[1] : *** Pas de rgle pour fabriquer la cible install . Arrt. | 08:13 |
| svenl | make[1] : quittant le rpertoire /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 | 08:13 |
| jbailey | The the top directory of the tree, there should be a log-powerpc64-* | 08:13 |
| svenl | make: *** [/home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/stamp-dir/install_ppc64] Erreur 2 | 08:13 |
| svenl | ah, ok. | 08:14 |
| jbailey | I need to see where configure failed. | 08:14 |
| svenl | i have the fukll log normally, let me check. | 08:14 |
| jbailey | Right. The full log doesn't make sense in our case, because there's many places it can fail. | 08:14 |
| jbailey | And just to piss lamont off, it's 40 megs. | 08:14 |
| svenl | configure: error: forced unwind support is required | 08:14 |
| svenl | make[1] : entrant dans le rpertoire /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 | 08:14 |
| jbailey | Because he *loves* getting those in his email. =) | 08:14 |
| svenl | make[1] : *** Pas de cibles spcifies et aucun makefile n'a t trouv. Arrt. | 08:14 |
| svenl | make[1] : quittant le rpertoire /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/powerpc-ppc64 | 08:15 |
| jbailey | That'd be the one. =( | 08:15 |
| svenl | ok. | 08:15 |
| svenl | checking for forced unwind support... no | 08:15 |
| svenl | configure: error: forced unwind support is required | 08:15 |
| jbailey | I need a typing break, back in a couple of minutes (sorry) | 08:15 |
| svenl | no problem | 08:16 |
| jbailey | Bah, found ice, can't find anything to wrap it in. | 08:18 |
| svenl | how did you damage your hand ? | 08:18 |
| jbailey | Can you take a look at that config.log file, please? | 08:18 |
| jbailey | svenl: Playing pool last night. | 08:19 |
| jbailey | svenl: I have hypermobile joints, so if I'm not careful I can do incredibly bad things to them. | 08:19 |
| svenl | yep. | 08:19 |
| jbailey | I was a little too enthusiastic on a shot. | 08:19 |
| jbailey | (On the upside, I did sink two balls off of it) | 08:19 |
| svenl | :/ | 08:19 |
| svenl | :) | 08:19 |
| svenl | so what you want to see in config.log ? | 08:20 |
| jbailey | It's not horrible, just throbby. The nurse I spoke to says that I've likely just pulled something, given that there's no swelling and whatnot, and that I need to ice it and rest it when it gets uncomfortable. | 08:20 |
| jbailey | Look for the word "unwind" and find a failure near there. | 08:20 |
| svenl | configure:5402: checking for libunwind-support in compiler | 08:20 |
| svenl | configure:5419: result: no | 08:20 |
| jbailey | Next one, force unwind is later. | 08:21 |
| svenl | jbailey: you could plug out that liquid cooling system of the pmac G5 and put it around your hand :) | 08:21 |
| jbailey | svenl: The pmac is 5000km from here. I haven't finished travelling home from UDU yet. =) | 08:21 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc | 08:21 |
| svenl | Ah. | 08:21 |
| jbailey | Eh? It shouldn't need a working C library to build the biarch compiler. | 08:22 |
| jbailey | Oh... | 08:22 |
| jbailey | wait | 08:22 |
| svenl | configure:27: checking for forced unwind support | 08:22 |
| svenl | configure:51: gcc-3.4 -m64 -o conftest -g -O2 -isystem /home/sven/ubuntu/glibc-2.3.5/debian/include conftest.c >&5 | 08:22 |
| jbailey | DAMMIT | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux/3.4.4/../../../libc.so when searching for -lc | 08:22 |
| jbailey | I forgot about that. | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux/3.4.4/../../../libc.a when searching for -lc | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libc.so when searching for -lc | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/bin/../lib/libc.a when searching for -lc | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libc.so when searching for -lc | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libc.a when searching for -lc | 08:22 |
| doko | jbailey: it does for libgcc | 08:22 |
| svenl | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc | 08:22 |
| svenl | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 08:22 |
| svenl | configure:57: $? = 1 | 08:22 |
| svenl | configure: failed program was: | 08:22 |
| jbailey | doko: No, it's a bug in the nptl configury. | 08:22 |
| jbailey | doko: Linuxthreads doesn't need it. | 08:23 |
| doko | ahh, better :) | 08:23 |
| svenl | mmm. | 08:23 |
| jbailey | svenl: Lemme send you my backup copy of glibc with lt. =) | 08:23 |
| svenl | doko: btw, i also trried building gcc 3.4.3 cvs from scratch to build a biarch toolchain by hand. | 08:23 |
| svenl | huh ? | 08:23 |
| svenl | doko: but it failed too with a libiberty error. | 08:24 |
| jbailey | svenl: I have a copy of glicb that you need to install for this build to work. | 08:24 |
| svenl | jbailey: :) | 08:24 |
| svenl | jbailey: a glibc package ? | 08:24 |
| jbailey | svenl: Yes. | 08:24 |
| jbailey | svenl: A transitional one. | 08:24 |
| jbailey | I need to remember to get this bug fixed. | 08:24 |
| svenl | mmmm. | 08:24 |
| svenl | ok. | 08:25 |
| svenl | jbailey: how will you send me the copy and when ? | 08:38 |
| jbailey | http://testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca/~jbailey/ppc64-lt/ | 08:38 |
| jbailey | lamont: It just occured to me this is probably our amd64 failure too. =( Same bootstrap case, really. | 08:38 |
| lamont | ?? | 08:39 |
| svenl | jbailey: you know that you just violated the GPL :) | 08:40 |
| jbailey | svenl: I have not, if you ask me for the source I will provide it. | 08:40 |
| svenl | (meaning the above does not contain the source packages :) | 08:40 |
| svenl | jbailey: you didn give me a written offer for it though :) | 08:40 |
| === lamont would be terribly shocked if jbailey actually violated the GPL. | ||
| jbailey | Just as soon as a self addressed stamped envelope with an international postage voucher shows up with a blank cdrw. ;) | 08:41 |
| svenl | ok, i am downloading the stuff. | 08:41 |
| lamont | I had a very confused person recently who didn't realize that you could make a derivitive work based on a GPL'ed work and not return your patches upstream. | 08:42 |
| lamont | (specifically, source must be made available to anyone who can get the binaries, which is not necessarily everyone) | 08:42 |
| jbailey | lamont: Right. I've wondered a few times when we'll start to see embedded linux devices with a spare chip, not hooked up to anything, that has the entire kernel source in it. | 08:43 |
| svenl | BTW, why does sudo need to do a gethostbyname ? | 08:43 |
| svenl | jbailey: it needs the prefered form of modification, so this wouldn work. | 08:44 |
| lamont | svenl: hostname is one of the components of the sudoers file | 08:44 |
| jbailey | svenl: It's still in source form. If you have the tools to modify the embedded binary, you have the tools to get the source code. | 08:44 |
| lamont | so you can have one file that goes everywhere, and only grants bob access to reboot _his_ machines | 08:44 |
| lamont | jbailey: socketed? | 08:45 |
| svenl | lamont: ah. | 08:45 |
| svenl | would add about 15$ per board though as of today. | 08:45 |
| jbailey | lamont: Could even be soldered as long as you could reasonably dump it with the some tools you'd use to program the roms. | 08:45 |
| lamont | mind you, an sudod would be nice to jave, so you didn't have to push said file everywhere... | 08:45 |
| jbailey | lamont: The trick is that every bios update would have to also update the source image. | 08:46 |
| lamont | true | 08:46 |
| jbailey | svenl: Right, cost prohibative for now, but given that it can be quite slow to write to, it might be cheaper than the support overhead of making source available for 3 years, or shipping it on demand if they managed to get quantities up. | 08:47 |
| svenl | jbailey: yep. | 08:47 |
| svenl | jbailey: especially as flash sizes grow. | 08:47 |
| svenl | jbailey: launched the build with your transitional glibc. | 08:48 |
| svenl | will take a while. | 08:48 |
| jbailey | lamont: Do you still have that chroot lying arond that you used for the i386/amd64 biarch build? | 08:49 |
| lamont | uh, used? | 08:49 |
| === lamont hasn't done that yet, since doko said it was ftbfs | ||
| doko | ehh, yes, jbailey wanted to fix it ... | 08:50 |
| jbailey | doko: You there? | 11:36 |
| doko | yes | 11:42 |
| jbailey | We currently have -march=i486 -mcpu=i686 | 11:42 |
| jbailey | (In various configs) | 11:42 |
| jbailey | I get a gcc-3.4 warning saying that one of those is deprecated. | 11:43 |
| === jbailey digs up the warning. | ||
| jbailey | -mcpu | 11:43 |
| jbailey | Should that just change to -mtune ? | 11:43 |
| doko | yes, I mailed you about it | 11:44 |
| jbailey | You did? | 11:44 |
| === jbailey looks. | ||
| jbailey | I see the thing where you point out the message... | 11:45 |
| jbailey | But a'ight, I'll change it to -mtune | 11:46 |
| doko | yes, I meant that :) | 11:46 |
| jbailey | Thanks. Starting another build and running off for lunch. | 11:47 |
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