[12:00] <cirkit_> how do we apt-get the gkrellm themes?
[12:00] <cirkit_> is it just apt-get install gkrellm-themes ?
[12:00] <amonkey> anyone know how to get q3a sound working?
[12:01] <fabio> thoreauputic, I am just downloading the few Unicode ones but from Synaptic
[12:03] <lotusleaf> woo! only 18 hours left in my ubuntu download.. warp speed mr. 56k!
[12:05] <Jormundgand> How do I hide an application's entry in the list of active applications?
[12:05] <Xanadu> hello all
[12:05] <Xanadu> what's happening tonight?
[12:06] <fabio> ohhh, still that stupid prob!!! :(
[12:06] <poopinaboot> grrrr, i just want to create a calendar
[12:06] <poopinaboot> stupid stupid stupid
[12:06] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: downloading ubuntu at 56k ;)
[12:06] <lotusleaf> 5.xxK/s fun!
[12:06] <Xanadu> lotusleaf you'll be wiating a while then ;)
[12:06] <timmow> poopinaboot: open up a terminal, type cal :)
[12:06] <Xanadu> how far r u?
[12:07] <poopinaboot> timmow: I need a presentable, graphical calendar
[12:07] <lotusleaf> timmow: only 18 hours left down from 30 some
[12:07] <Xanadu> lotusleaf where in the world r u?
[12:07] <lotusleaf> 271MB/615MB 44% complete
[12:07] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: USA
[12:07] <Xanadu> lotusleaf isn't there someone near u with ubuntu?
[12:08] <lotusleaf> I know someone within a few steps of walking distance who has broadband but I don't wanna ask. So instead, I suffer. ;)
[12:08] <Xanadu> i think it'll b quicker to drive ;)
[12:08] <timmow> poopinaboot: sorry bad sense of humour
[12:08] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: nope
[12:08] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: well maybe
[12:08] <timmow> lotusleaf:shipit.ubuntu.org
[12:08] <Xanadu> lotusleaf i didn't think anyone in the US still had 64k connections
[12:08] <Xanadu> lol
[12:08] <lotusleaf> timmow: nothing has arrived yet but thx ;)
[12:08] <poopinaboot> timmow: heh
[12:08] <lotusleaf> Xanadu: I still have a 300 baud modem too ;)
[12:09] <Xanadu> lotusleaf: ooh a collector's item! maybe u should set up a BBS with zModem
[12:09] <ayralex> When I last upgraded my PC (bought a new case) I got rid of my 56k modem
[12:09] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: not sure exactly what you need but have a look at xfcalendar
[12:09] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: it's an xfce calendar but available a package
[12:09] <lotusleaf> ayralex: aww, you just trashed the modem after all it did for you? :(
[12:09] <thoreauputic> * as a
[12:09] <lotusleaf> ayralex: I hope you let someone adopt it
[12:10] <ayralex> I did let someone adopt it
[12:10] <poopinaboot> thoreauputic: thanks, I'm just looking for a calendar of May that I can print
[12:10] <shinu> do i make a .tar.gz archive with: tar -c backup/|gzip - > backup.tar.gz ?
[12:10] <karljp> anyone know how to play dvds in totem? specifically ac3 audio?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: ah, I see
[12:10] <karljp> I can watch the video, and I can play them with sound in xine
[12:11] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: surely you could find such a calendar on the web as an html file somewhere ?
[12:11] <timmow> why does noone else seem to want to use wifi and ethernet???
[12:11] <poopinaboot> thoreauputic: ummm, where?
[12:11] <timmow> All configurations i can find are for one or the other
[12:11] <thoreauputic> poopinaboot: :/ Google?
[12:12] <timmow> i want both, so that ethernet goes down when wifi is plugged in, back up when wifi is out
[12:12] <dockane> got problems activating dma for my ide drive. (maxtor 160 gb, onboard controller is udma3/ata66 capable). after searching in ubuntu user list archive i now believe its because of generic modules (ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic). am i right with that ? my system is an ibm intellistation m pro (intel 840 chipset)
[12:12] <karljp> you need laptop-net
[12:12] <karljp> timmow: that's designed to solve that problem
[12:12] <karljp> and is slated for integration into breezy by default
[12:13] <karljp> deals with network intfs they way you expect.
[12:13] <bluemax> what is the best video player to use for nsv streams?
[12:13] <jaggi> Hello my fello ubuntu'ers.  I'm new to ubuntu and I installed the opera*.deb package, but it's not in the menus.
[12:13] <karljp> so no trying to dhcp on eth connections that don't have link, and more graceful failover
[12:13] <timmow> karljp: you know any good docs for setting it up?
[12:13] <karljp> apt-get install latpop-net and it just worked for my purposes
[12:13] <jaggi> I'm not sure how to add it to the Applications menu
[12:13] <karljp> it uses the eth when it's plugged in, the wireless if it's not
[12:14] <paulproteus> bluemax: I have never heard of that streaming media extension.
[12:14] <lotusleaf> hey, my 56k download of ubuntu will be done in 18 hours. If shipit doesn't send me my CDs before then, will I win a prize? :D
[12:14] <timmow> karljp: does it do it on the fly, or do you need to reboot?
[12:14] <ayralex> lotusleaf, yes: an ubuntu CD
[12:14] <karljp> just does it.
[12:14] <bluemax> paulproteus: nsv is nullsoft streaming video, it's winamp's internet tv format
[12:14] <lotusleaf> lol
[12:14] <lotusleaf> ayralex: score ;)
[12:14] <paulproteus> bluemax: It seems mplayer and xine should both be able to play it.
[12:14] <dockane> jaggi : if you are new to ubuntu www.ubuntuguide.org may be interesting for you. if you are looking to add somethin to application list you need a menue editor ircc.
[12:15] <sleeper> hi
[12:15] <sleeper> can some one help me please
[12:16] <karljp> not until you tell us what you want
[12:16] <sleeper> someone have use john the ripper?
[12:16] <thoreauputic> sleeper: once or twice
[12:16] <bluemax> paulproteus: ok... i've tried mplayer because supposedly it can play nsv's but the problem is the stream is usually full and have to try several times to connect, so how do i turn on looping on mplayer? i can't find any button or anything in options. all i found was the command line -loop flag
[12:16] <sleeper> i have instaled with my ubuntu
[12:16] <timmow> karljp: thanks
[12:16] <sleeper> but now i dont find it
[12:17] <sleeper> where it install?
[12:17] <dockane> to be precise : ""HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted " is my problem
[12:17] <paulproteus> dockane: sudo?
[12:17] <jaggi> recommend a menu editor?  (going to ubuntoguide.org too)
[12:17] <cirkit_> hey guys was wondering what run level do i set to have text login for startx instead of a gui login?
[12:17] <Fackamato> what's ubunto?
[12:18] <gma> dockane, I had that message when I didn't have the correct module for my chipset loaded. have you checked that properly?
[12:18] <cirkit_> 2-5 i think are all gui
[12:18] <cirkit_> isnt there text mode?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> sleeper: I think the command is just john, but run dpkg -L john | grep bin to find out
[12:18] <dockane> gma, this is what i wrote above
[12:18] <dockane> paulproteus, is definetly not my problem
[12:18] <wdh> cirkit_, i dont think it is managed by a runlevel though.. i guess you can edit some gdm config file
[12:19] <cirkit_> hmm?
[12:19] <gma> dockane, not since I logged in you didn't. last thing I saw you say about it was what chipset you have, not which modules you've loaded.
[12:19] <cirkit_> so how do you get text loging
[12:19] <sleeper> ok thx
[12:19] <CarlK> what do I have to apt-get to get aclocal ?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: easy way is to uninstall gdm
[12:19] <cirkit_> where is that located?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: ?
[12:19] <cirkit_> the gdm path
[12:19] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: just uninstall gdm with synaptic or apt-get
[12:20] <CarlK> hmm, how come I have /usr/share/aclocal/ but no aclocal command?
[12:20] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: or run  ` sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:21] <dockane> gma, i am running an intel 840 chipset. which module do i have to choose ? (my modules http://pastebin.com/282913 )
[12:22] <timmow> how do i safely remove cardbus cards?
[12:22] <timmow> ive just been pulling them out, but i'm not sure i should
[12:24] <dockane> gma, maybe this helps, too : lscpi -v ( http://pastebin.com/282914 )
[12:24] <timmow> cirkit_: do you need text login, and then start x?
[12:25] <karljp> timmow: you're meant to be able to, though it depends on the card
[12:25] <karljp> some drivers it's not recommmend, like the delkin cf reader for instanace
[12:25] <gma> dockane, sorry, disappeared there for a bit.
[12:25] <siplus> timmow: i have a button right next to it that i push
[12:26] <dockane> gma, you were afk ?
[12:26] <dockane> gma, or the pastebins have disappeared ?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> timmow: cirkit_ left
[12:26] <timmow> karljp: im getting a bad dmesg when i pull out my wireless card
[12:26] <gma> no, I'd just hidden IRC behind another window
[12:26] <gma> got the pastebins
[12:26] <karljp> well, don't do that then :)
[12:26] <karljp> even windows says you shouldn't
[12:26] <dockane> gma , i see np
[12:26] <karljp> just that it normally whines and puts up with it :)
[12:27] <timmow> karljp: so i should rmmod ndiswrapper then pull it out
[12:27] <karljp> timmmow: I believe so.
[12:27] <karljp> I'm having a hard time finding the doc that says how to do this proeprly
[12:27] <karljp> there's some notes that apply specifically to ndiswrapper
[12:27] <karljp> but it was basically rmmod first
[12:28] <cirkit_> since i dont have gdm anymore in ubuntu how do i pick between window managers?
[12:28] <timmow> karljp: I get this even when the driver is not loaded
[12:28] <timmow> karljp: PCMCIA: socket ce31442c: *** DANGER *** unable to remove socket power
[12:28] <karljp> no idea sorry :)
[12:28] <timmow> karljp: ok thanks
[12:28] <karljp> bt that's better than what I get, which is the occasional kernel oops :)
[12:28] <gsuveg> re
[12:28] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: for example, run ` startx /usr/bin/fluxbox `
[12:28] <gsuveg> anybody use dbdesigner ?
[12:29] <cirkit_> i just run startx and fluxbox starts...i have a .xinitrc file in ~/.xinitrc now
[12:29] <cirkit_> but how do i get a menu to pick kde or gnome?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you don't
[12:29] <karljp> (that was what gdm was for!)
[12:29] <cirkit_> so i cant pick any other wm?
[12:29] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: unless there's a package for xtart in the repos
[12:29] <cirkit_> oh crap
[12:29] <cirkit_> sigh
[12:30] <evilmegaman> when configuring my new kernel, would leaving things I didn't know about make the system slower?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I just told you hoe you ccan run any window manager above
[12:30] <SymGeosis> evilmegaman, possibly.
[12:30] <evilmegaman> oh
[12:30] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: just specify the one you want
[12:30] <SymGeosis> Everything uses memory, and has to be loaded. The more stuff to load the longer it takes.
[12:30] <evilmegaman> That sucks. Should it take a while to compile the kernel image symgeosis?
[12:31] <evilmegaman> oh
[12:31] <gma> dockane, not having much luck...
[12:31] <dockane> gma, what does that mean ?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: like this is easier:  startx `which gnome-session`  or startx $(gnome-session)
[12:31] <evilmegaman> But once it's past the boot process, It will be normal speed symgeosis?
[12:31] <SymGeosis> evilmegaman, been awhile since I last compiled a linux kernel but it's not exactly considered "quick."
[12:31] <cirkit_> startx gnome-session
[12:31] <cirkit_> or startx kde-session?
[12:31] <evilmegaman> ok
[12:31] <gma> dockane, probably that I can't help you
[12:31] <gma> but I'm still looking
[12:31] <SymGeosis> evilmegaman, nothing should be too noticable.
[12:32] <evilmegaman> ok cool :)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: startkde - but that syntax won't work - see above
[12:32] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: startx $(startkde)  should work
[12:33] <jaggi> dockane, interesting.. I'm working with the files because the Help mentions using nautilus to edit the menus, but it doesn't seem to work.
[12:33] <cirkit_> could i use a startup file in ~/.startup to start apps since i dont have gdm?
[12:33] <SymGeosis> cirkit_, just copy your startx script and modify the client portion for startkde or gnomesession.
[12:33] <dockane> gma, i basicly don't know what do replace in /etc/modules and what to put there instead (intel 840 /carmel)
[12:33] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: was there a good reason for uninstalling gdm?
[12:33] <jaggi> Under Help -> System Admin -> Customizing menus
[12:34] <cirkit_> ls
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I don't understand why you want a cli login when you don't know the commands you need
[12:34] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, so that I could use .xinitrc or startup file since gdm wont allow me too
[12:34] <dockane> jaggi, maybe you need to restart your window manager ? i  haven't tried that yet, sorry
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: yes it will
[12:34] <jaggi> it mentions I can use nautilus, but I have to add menus to a certain URI.. the URIs it gives include: Applications menu for all users  	  applications-all-users:///
[12:34] <cirkit_> it will?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: use ~/.xsession and choose the default option
[12:34] <evilmegaman> if I installed fglrx, Will I have to do modprobe fglrx to get it to use the fglrx drivers?
[12:34] <jaggi> but the file browser (nautilus) doesn't accept that URI  :)
[12:35] <jaggi> dockane, no problem.. if I figure it out, are you interested?
[12:35] <evilmegaman> the new kernel is "it"
[12:35] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: .xsession is the file to writ
[12:35] <thoreauputic> *write
[12:35] <dockane> jaggi, of course. do you speak german btw ?
[12:35] <jaggi> the help does include this, and also includes information on the actual methods to add things by hand, using files (including the format of the files)
[12:35] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: this is an example of asking the wrong question ...
[12:35] <jaggi> no, English and some Spanish and Persian :)
[12:36] <lotusleaf> He took the Windows CD, broke it, and gave thanks by installing Linux
[12:36] <mirak> how to install the kernel when you are using deboostrap ?
[12:36] <mirak> the instal fails
[12:37] <jaggi> lotus, I installed ubuntu and the partitioning messed up my windows partition :(
[12:37] <jaggi> windows won't boot now (I'm kind of happy about that.. but not really)
[12:37] <jaggi> now all my partitions have the warning/error in fdisk, "Partition X does not end on cylinder boundary"
[12:38] <lotusleaf> jaggi: that's not a bug that's a feature
[12:38] <jaggi> last time I let the auto-partitioner handle the partitions for me.
[12:38] <jaggi> lotus, but after I installed ubuntu, my windows blue-screens on boot.
[12:38] <lotusleaf> jaggi: shame on you for installing Windows in the first place ;P
[12:38] <dockane> jaggi, there is going to be something in gnome 2.12 : http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2005/05/036-gnome/menuedit.png
[12:39] <jaggi> nah, not shameful.  Necessary for many softwares.  :)  I could be all "gung ho" about linux (I've been using it for 11 years)... but in the real world I have responsibilities and have to use some software, sometimes, which is windows-based :)
[12:39] <jaggi> so, for those who HAVE to use windows ..
[12:39] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, Im using gdm instead to make things easier....but for example the .xinitrc file I have does not startup apps
[12:39] <unf> bona nit
[12:39] <jaggi> anyhow :)
[12:40] <Xanadu> anyone here installed postgresql?
[12:40] <jaggi> looks like a menu editor.. that's nice.  In German :)
[12:40] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: don't use .xinitrc - use .xsession in debisn based distros for this
[12:40] <lotusleaf> jaggi: no one HAS to use M$:Windows, they CHOOSE to, whether they admit to it or not is another matter.
[12:40] <Xanadu> i installed from synaptic and am not quite sure what to do from here - it won't let me make a database
[12:40] <gma> dockane, try loading piix and running hdparm again.
[12:40] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, can i see an example of your xsession please?
[12:41] <cirkit_> i dont have one by default
[12:41] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: and make sure you have an & after each app , and make the last line your window manager
[12:41] <cirkit_> i have 3 choices of window managers
[12:41] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: which apps do you want to start?
[12:41] <dockane> gma, "modprobe piix" ?
[12:41] <gma> yeah. long shot.
[12:42] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, xset m 5 & xchat
[12:42] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: post your .xsession in #flood
[12:42] <jaggi> lotus, whatever :)
[12:43] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, how about pastebin??
[12:43] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: OK fine
[12:43] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, i dont have an .xsession
[12:43] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: *sigh* you need one
[12:43] <thoreauputic> did you read what I said?
[12:43] <lotusleaf> jaggi: you see? I win. ;)
[12:43] <cirkit_> i have .xsession-errors
[12:43] <jaggi> lotus, nah
[12:43] <cirkit_> yeah but how can i paste what i dont have
[12:43] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you create the file
[12:44] <Jormundgand> How do I get Eterm to automatically snap to the bottom of the buffer when displaying large amounts of data (e.g. after an apt-get update)?
[12:44] <lotusleaf> jaggi: too late, you abandoned the plate! And while you weren't looking I fixed a new meal on it.
[12:44] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: or just do  cp .xinitrc .xsession
[12:44] <Jormundgand> It's currently simply filling the screen allotted area and then sitting there.
[12:44] <jaggi> lotus, not worthwhile to dispute over the boundary of "have to".. actually, maybe it is!  :)
[12:44] <jaggi> what's the definition of what "must be"?  :)
[12:44] <cirkit_> so i can use the .xinitrc settings but renamed the file to xsession?
[12:44] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: yes you can
[12:44] <dockane> gma, :( http://pastebin.com/282920
[12:45] <jaggi> lotus, windows are necessary for circulation and light :)
[12:45] <exciton> I am having a porblem with my kubuntu install when my cpu hits 41C the system halts and shuts down stating crit temp reached and for an athlon xp 41C is like the temp it sits at when the computer its off lol any ideas on how I can rase the shut down temp or disable this all together because my bios does a great job of telling me when my cpu gets to hot all on it's own
[12:45] <cirkit_> ok ill do that now
[12:45] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: they do roughly the same thing - I won't go into the details
[12:45] <Jormundgand> exciton: buffer overflow.
[12:45] <gma> dockane, do you know if piix was already loaded?
[12:46] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, ok good i have copied the .xinitrc file over to ~/.xsession and renamed it to that
[12:46] <exciton> Jormundgand: ? What do you mean?
[12:46] <Jormundgand> exciton: That, and you're in the wrong channel. Join #kubuntu. And use sentences.
[12:46] <dockane> gma, nope sorry
[12:46] <Jormundgand> exciton: Buffer overflow - line too long to stay in short-term memory.
[12:46] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: when you log in with gdm just choose the default session in the sessions list
[12:46] <dockane> gma, should have looked before
[12:47] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, i can leave that file with the way it is already set right?
[12:47] <_ToNhO_> i don't know why Ubuntu have a distribution with KDE
[12:47] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: only if it does what you want
[12:47] <exciton> Jormundgand: I have asked in #kubuntu I'm there now but no one seems to know what the problem is and this is a problem with linux not kde or gnome! so my dm has nothing to do with the problem
[12:47] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, but in that xsession file down at the bottom i have a line "exec /usr/X11R6/bin/startfluxbox"
[12:47] <cirkit_> should i delete that since i have more than 1 window manager to pick from?
[12:48] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: that isn't where startfluxbox lives in Ubuntu
[12:48] <gma> dockane, I'm afraid I've outlived my usefulness in that case.
[12:48] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: type  ` which startfluxbox ` to see the path
[12:48] <dockane> gma, thank you very much for your time and help
[12:48] <gma> no probs
[12:48] <Jormundgand> exciton: Fixing that depends entirely whether you use GNOME or KDE. It'll be a simple option fix, but I don't know where in KDE it is.
[12:49] <gma> not that I was much use!
[12:49] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: or just use ` startfluxbox` (it should be inthe path)
[12:49] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, /usr/bin/startfluxbox
[12:49] <thoreauputic> OK use that
[12:49] <proegssilb> Can someone help me swap between installed bootloaders?
[12:49] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, do i need to add any other of the window managers paths in that xsession file or just the fluxbox one?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: sounds like you copied an .xinitrc from another distro
[12:49] <exciton> Jormundgand: if you can tell me how to fix it in gnome I can do that I have both gnome and kde installed
[12:49] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, i copied it from the slack box
[12:50] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: umm.... .xsession just starts one at a time
[12:50] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: slack does it differently
[12:50] <exciton> I all was have a back up dm for when something goes wrong and if all else fails I can do just about everything command line
[12:50] <cirkit_> but i only have the path for fluxbox in xsession. what if i start gnome or kde...xsession doesnt have the path, only for flux right
[12:51] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I suggest you use the package manager to install things: it takes care of all this for you
[12:51] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: if you have gdm you just chooose the one you want
[12:51] <cirkit_> ok
[12:51] <cirkit_> ill test now
[12:53] <bluemax> is there a way i can use a ; (semicolon) in a terminal command without bash using it as a separator?
[12:53] <bluemax> a url i need to use includes it
[12:53] <cirkit_> No what i wanted did not start at all
[12:53] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, can you paste your xsession file in pastebin please?
[12:54] <timmow> bluemax use \; instead of ;
[12:54] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: I don't currently use .xsession, but I can probably find an example if you wait a minute
[12:55] <cirkit_> ok
[12:55] <flyerman> someone here who got GIMPSHOP run?
[12:55] <bluemax> timmow: perfect, thank you
[12:57] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: just join #flood and I'll post a simple example for you
[12:57] <cirkit_> ok
[12:57] <proegssilb> rephrase: Could someone help me get my (other) computer to the point where it can boot properly?
[12:58] <timmow> proegsslib: maybe if you explain what is wrong
[12:59] <anemiat1> does ubuntu have an option of KDE?
[12:59] <proegssilb> timmow: In mandriva, I can only load a prompt. Assuming I can get grub set back up, ArkLinux will work, but LILO doesn't know about ark
[01:00] <anemiat1> ??
[01:00] <anemiat1> does ubuntu have an option of KDE?
[01:00] <erpel> it's called (k)ubuntu
[01:00] <timmow> proegsslib: i don't know about lilo, sorry
[01:01] <anemiat1> got it
[01:01] <anemiat1> thanks
[01:01] <proegssilb> timmow: K, is there some way I can find grub and set it as the bootloader?
[01:02] <nderjm> Greeting from Jamaica
[01:02] <nderjm> I'm attempting to setup a DHCP Server on a Warty box
[01:02] <anemiat1> when i install kubuntu, will I be able to keep windows and make dual boot?
[01:03] <SymGeosis> flyerman, do you have a link for an Ubuntu package for GimpShop; As a long time PhotoShop user, I'm rather intrigued.
[01:03] <nderjm> anyone with networking experience?
[01:03] <nderjm> I've got the packages installed, and dhcpd configured
[01:03] <Burgundavia> anemiat1, yes
[01:03] <anemiat1> thanks again!
[01:03] <nderjm> its accepting requests
[01:03] <nderjm> but keeps saying "no free leases on 192.168.0.0"
[01:04] <nderjm> i've been googling for hours, and no clue as to whats up
[01:04] <chase> how do i install something as suid root? im trying to use smb4k, but im getting this error "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)"
[01:04] <nanot3ch> chase: suid root? Are you installing the program as root to begin with, or as a user?
[01:05] <timmow> proegsslib: you can use a live cd to install grub i think
[01:05] <chase> im running it as a user
[01:05] <chase> nanot3ch, i installed it from apt
[01:05] <nderjm> so anyone have an idea what the deal is with the error message?
[01:05] <Burgundavia> nderjm, what are you trying to do?
[01:05] <nanot3ch> chase: Type sudo su to gain root access...then try running the program.
[01:06] <nderjm> Burgundavia: Im setting up a DHCP server
[01:06] <nderjm> Burgundavia: Its up and running
[01:06] <nderjm> Burgundavia: But when clients try to connect, it says there are no free leases on subnet 192.168.0.0
[01:06] <pjw> Is QT library under Ubuntu 64-bit?
[01:06] <nanot3ch> chase: suid root is a problem with tmp files, I believe
[01:06] <chase> right so i need to sudo every time i run the program? i cant just put it in the the visudo file?
[01:06] <timmow> proegsslib: it would help if you have a working grub install.  Then you can add an option to menu.lst
[01:07] <nanot3ch> chase: if you change permissions on /tmp for read / write, etc for all users...then you could run it as a user I believe.
[01:07] <nderjm> Burgundavia: I have it spitting out the errors to the err stream, so i can see whats happening
[01:07] <anemiat1> is there any similarity between arklinux and kubuntu?
[01:07] <Burgundavia> nderjm, hmm, no idea
[01:07] <timmow> bye everyone
[01:07] <chase> nanot3ch, okay ill see what works
[01:07] <nanot3ch> chase: alright...if none of that works...
[01:07] <Burgundavia> anemiat1, ark is rpm, ubuntu/kubuntu is debian
[01:08] <nanot3ch> chase: run "chmod 4755 /usr/bin/executable", as well as on any files connected to it...
[01:08] <nanot3ch> chase: but I think the tmp fix should be your first try.
[01:09] <chase> okay
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> is anyone else having problems with the latest breezy ndiswrapper? i get an "operation not permitted" message when loading the driver (even as root).
[01:12] <dockane> i ve got a similiar problem: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/034202.html   (not a cdrom but a ide hd). what should i add to the /etc/modules to get it working ? ( lspci -v/listmod : http://pastebin.com/282923 )
[01:14] <nderjm> Greetings from Jamrock
[01:14] <nderjm> Jamaica...
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> okay i need help
[01:14] <shadeofgrey> i installed cdrdao
[01:15] <leitao> olease, i have a problem with my keyboard and ccedillha.. anyone with similar problem?
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> and then installed k3b
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> does mplayer play wma
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> using apt-get
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> is there a step i missed?
[01:15] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Yes, with w32codecs...it worked when I played CHOM, so it should.
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[01:15] <shadeofgrey> because k3b doesnt show up in anty of my application menus liek it should and every time i run it from bash it runs but gives serious amounts of errors
[01:16] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: It isn't broken is it? :P
[01:16] <shadeofgrey> and i dont want to use nautilus to burn CD's
[01:16] <shadeofgrey> nano:  if i had to guess id say its...  well om its way to being very broken
[01:17] <cristian> pico
[01:17] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: I mean in synaptic, does it recognize it as a broken program :P
[01:17] <shadeofgrey> how do i remove k3b totally?
[01:18] <shadeofgrey> i dunno
[01:18] <shadeofgrey> what would it be under?
[01:18] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: ...It will tell you when you open Synaptic if a package is broken :P
[01:19] <leitao> romaia : ainda nao veio..
[01:20] <leitao> sorry
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> okay indtallation didnt generate any errors
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> but its not in my programs list at all
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> and i let packaghe manager do everything
[01:20] <shadeofgrey> do i need KDE installed or something?
[01:21] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: do killall gnome-panel to reset the menu (If you updated it without logging in / out, run that.)
[01:21] <amaro> Anyone here has a hotmail email account?
[01:21] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: You shouldn't need KDE...it should work in Gnome....
[01:21] <nanot3ch> amaro: You having problems accessing the hotmail site?
[01:21] <shadeofgrey> olkay i did a kill all and its still not there
[01:22] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: killall gnome-panel? If so, it should be under Sound & Video...hmmm...
[01:22] <amaro> nanot3ch, no, onceI log in, it says something about some agreements I have to accept.
[01:22] <shadeofgrey> where is it supposed to be?  in the sound and video ? because its not theere
[01:22] <nanot3ch> amaro: oh, can't help you there :), if it was a site thing, it might've been that you need Wine with IE 5.
[01:23] <thoreauputic> amaro, don't use hotmail - it's evil :)
[01:23] <amaro> nanot3ch, hehehe.. I hope it never comes to that :)
[01:23] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: Sound and Video, that or System Tools (Although that wouldnt make sense.)
[01:23] <amaro> I have tons of email accounts scattered everywhere...
[01:23] <nanot3ch> amaro: Oh, eventually Microsoft will "upgrade" the site...that time will come soon :P
[01:23] <nanot3ch> amaro: You need gmail :P
[01:23] <amaro> I already have 3 gmail accounts
[01:23] <nanot3ch> LOL
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> nope
[01:23] <amaro> and 150 invites
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> its not in any of them
[01:23] <amaro> want some?
[01:23] <shadeofgrey> anywhere
[01:23] <amaro> :)
[01:24] <nanot3ch> amaro: Nah, I have an account :)
[01:24] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: and running k3b via command line works as it should (It gives errors, but it'll load)?
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> yes
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> k3b: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name or about data passed to the constructor!
[01:24] <shadeofgrey> thats the warning i get
[01:24] <nanot3ch> Hmm
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> imma uninstall it
[01:25] <shadeofgrey> whats a gnome front end for cdrdao?
[01:25] <Razor-X> I know there's Gnomebaker
[01:25] <Razor-X> but, then again, i'm using Kubuntu so....
[01:25] <Razor-X> GTK apps work fine here, except I can't theme them
[01:25] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: Maybe you do need KDE, as KGenericFactory is a KDE include library.
[01:26] <shadeofgrey> nan: okay how do i install kde?
[01:26] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone know of a program that is better than Open Office?
[01:26] <] BreliC[> amaro: i'll take an invite :)
[01:26] <] BreliC[> rhys-hynaws, what are you looking to do?
[01:26] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: jsut install kde-base in Synaptic or via apt-get
[01:26] <siplus> rhys-hynaws: better in what way?
[01:26] <K_Dallas> rhys-hynaws: LaTeX by miles
[01:26] <rhys-hynaws> ] BreliC[, wordprocessing... etc.
[01:26] <K_Dallas> ;)
[01:27] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: that completely depends what you want to use it for
[01:27] <nanot3ch> shadeofgrey: Since its just a core lib that you need, you dont need all of the language packages unless k3b REALLY requires them...then yo just install as you go :P
[01:27] <siplus> i know a lot of people like abiword.. never used it myself
[01:27] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, AbiWord is rather nice.
[01:27] <rhys-hynaws> siplus: Open Office freezes on me for no reason.... I have a 3Ghtz P4... and 512MB ... i don't know what I did wrong to make it hate me!
[01:27] <] BreliC[> rhys-hynaws, koffice, but i guess that would require the kde libs
[01:27] <siplus> rhys-hynaws: are you using 1.1, or 2beta?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: you might want to look at abiword
[01:28] <rhys-hynaws> siplus, they both hate me. the beta moreso
[01:28] <nanot3ch> ] BreliC[: meh, Koffice barely supports MS Office formats :)
[01:28] <siplus> ha
[01:28] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, remove the beta. It messes up my OpenOffice installs too.
[01:28] <K_Dallas> rhys-hynaws: you'd better solve your problem with OO, uninstall and install the new Beta2
[01:28] <] BreliC[> nanot3ch, doesn't matter if you are not dealing with MS people :)
[01:28] <K_Dallas> uninstall and reinstall, that is the trick
[01:28] <nanot3ch> ] Brelic[: :P, true...
[01:28] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, or get the new, unofficial beta package.
[01:29] <Razor-X> if I chmod my mount point for an NTFS partition, why is it still that only root can read from it?
[01:29] <] BreliC[> K_Dallas, hmm, that sounds *stragely* like a windows tactic ;)
[01:29] <K_Dallas> i know but OO is not really a unix thing ;)
[01:29] <rhys-hynaws> SymGeosis,  the problem occurs when I click on misspelled words... a new beta pack wouldN't really help would it?
[01:29] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, try this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30866&page=2
[01:29] <K_Dallas> and each times i install a new beta it messes things up
[01:29] <SymGeosis> rhys-hynaws, not sure. *shrugs*
[01:29] <nanot3ch> rkys-hynaws: I know a quick fix to that problem, spell properly! :)
[01:29] <] BreliC[> lol
[01:29] <SymGeosis> I know that I have problems when I have the old beta and 1.1 installed at the same time.
[01:30] <siplus> or you could try staroffice :-p
[01:30] <rhys-hynaws> SymGeosis, I beta-tested that script. lol
[01:30] <nanot3ch> siplus: ...OpenOffice is based on StarOffice....whats the point? :P
[01:30] <K_Dallas> still i have to say: go with LaTeX
[01:30] <rhys-hynaws> What makes LaTeX > Abiword ?
[01:30] <siplus> nanot3ch: shhh
[01:31] <K_Dallas> LaTeX: is the only thing if you do scientific writing
[01:31] <K_Dallas> nothing beats that
[01:31] <nanot3ch> siplus: haha....
[01:31] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: a good front end for LaTex is Lyx-qt
[01:31] <K_Dallas> and yet it has much more to offer
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> Well I am a MD
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:31] <SymGeosis> Feh, vim. ;-)
[01:31] <K_Dallas> thoreauputic: Lyx is rather encrypted, Kile is a front end
[01:31] <rhys-hynaws> Kile?
[01:31] <K_Dallas> or why not texmacs
[01:32] <rhys-hynaws> K_Dallas,  Which do you prefer?
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> Question  I have my  Linux box my moms winblows box and my sis windows box. all my media is on my sis box how could i retrieve and put it onto mine with out hard copies?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> K_Dallas: Lyx is LaTex for Human Beings ;-)
[01:32] <siplus> Vi won't crash on you...
[01:32] <K_Dallas> me, i have been doing latex for the past 10 years
[01:32] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Samba / SMB if they are all networked.
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> siplus: Vim is nice
[01:32] <K_Dallas> i do not touch OO or MS office
[01:32] <nanot3ch> MS Office is crap to begin with. :P
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: yes on a wifi connection
[01:32] <rhys-hynaws> K_Dallas, You're like a puritan.
[01:32] <_hp_> how do i automount partitions?
[01:32] <K_Dallas> be right back
[01:33] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: as long as they are, then Samba should be able to sniff out the computers. All you have to open is file sharing on the computer with media files...
[01:33] <siplus> hybrid_goth: SMB is an easy way, if not look into using scp/WinSCP
[01:33] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: and put the files in the Shared Documents, then you can snatch em all up
[01:33] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: have a look at Lyx-qt: you might like it, but it's... different
[01:34] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: so i set the file sharing on on the windoze box open smb/samba and am good to go
[01:34] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: and of course Lyx doesn't do MS formats
[01:34] <Razor-X> anyone here use a trackball?
[01:34] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Yes, if you are all networked and file sharing is enabled, Samba will find the windows computer and you can then commence the file stealing :P
[01:34] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[01:34] <nanot3ch> Razor-X: They make those? :P
[01:34] <rhys-hynaws> thoreauputic, Okay... Lyx-qt is installing now...
[01:34] <Razor-X> if Word's all you need, you can try AbiWord
[01:34] <hybrid_goth> brb
[01:34] <Razor-X> nanot3ch: ;-P
[01:35] <_hp_> how do i get partitions mounted when the system boots up?
[01:35] <rhys-hynaws> thoreauputic, but can I conver my OpenOffice docs to whatever lyx uses? lol
[01:35] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: be aware you really need to read the help files
[01:35] <nanot3ch> _hp_: You have to edit /etc/fstab....
[01:35] <Razor-X> _hp_: add to your /etc/fstab
[01:35] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: I doubt it
[01:35] <jaggi> I'm back
[01:35] <_hp_> Razor-X, nanot3ch thank you
[01:35] <jaggi> edit menus with the examples in /usr/share/applications/
[01:35] <rhys-hynaws> thoreauputic, grrr... but thank goodness for copy & paste
[01:35] <nanot3ch> _hp_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#hardware
[01:35] <Razor-X> rhys-hynaws: is it just word processing?
[01:36] <rhys-hynaws> Razor-X, Mainly, yes... yearsof essays.
[01:36] <jaggi> might want to duplicate an entry (I duplicated the xchat.desktop entry as opera.desktop and edited it..
[01:36] <nanot3ch> _hp_: I believe it tells you how to edit FSTab, if not google it :) its pretty simple
[01:36] <_hp_> vi /etc/fstab ?
[01:36] <jaggi> opera placed it's menu in /usr/lib/menu/opera so I could get the icon and program path easily)
[01:36] <Razor-X> http://www.abisource.com/download/
[01:36] <nanot3ch> _hp_: Yes, as root.
[01:36] <Razor-X> try AbiWord, it's pretty awesome
[01:36] <dead^^> hi all. does anyone here know how to install DGuitar? i have problems with it and the readme is useless =(
[01:36] <jaggi> AbiWord for what?
[01:36] <_hp_> nanot3ch, already done, do i have to reboot to see the effects or just log in, log out?
[01:36] <Razor-X> for word processing
[01:36] <nanot3ch> _hp_: run "mount -a"
[01:37] <rhys-hynaws> Razor-X, i will give it a go too
[01:37] <Razor-X> that was for rhys-hynaws
[01:37] <Burgundavia> jaggi, abiword is a word processor. apt-get install abiword will also get you it
[01:37] <nanot3ch> _hp_: As root, of course.
[01:37] <jaggi> ah.. do you prefer it over OpenOffice?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> abiword is in the repos anyway
[01:37] <jaggi> yeah, I've used abiword in the past
[01:37] <Razor-X> rhys-hynaws: err, yeah, that too
[01:37] <Razor-X> ;-P
[01:37] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:37] <Razor-X> AbiWord was the first word processor I actually used
[01:37] <nanot3ch> Razor-X: Mine was NotePad :P
[01:37] <jaggi> just wondering why you recommend it over OpenOffice (because ubuntu installed OO by default)
[01:38] <Burgundavia> jaggi, easier to use and faster to boot
[01:38] <Razor-X> back when my parents, for some odd stupid reason, wouldn't by Word, and I absolutely needed it, and all the current free office apps were too beefed up form my P100
[01:38] <Razor-X> nanot3ch: that's a text editor, not a word processor ;-P
[01:38] <Razor-X> there are differences
[01:38] <jaggi> my first word processor.. hmm.. back on the Commodore 64 I edited basic files?  but with actual word processing it must have been an old WordStar
[01:38] <Razor-X> *buy
[01:38] <jaggi> WordStar on a PC :)
[01:38] <jaggi> then WordPerfect
[01:38] <nanot3ch> jaggi: OpenOffice is just sort of a standard all-in-one office app, thats why it is installed by default on many distro's.
[01:39] <Razor-X> so, again, does anyone here use a trackball?
[01:39] <siplus> hey, speaking about OpenOffice, is there an easy way to install OO.o 2beta?
[01:39] <siplus> i'm running fedora, though...
[01:39] <_hp_> it doesn't allow me to see the file contents, says i do not have permission, ran mount -a as root
[01:39] <Burgundavia> siplus, it is in the repos
[01:39] <Burgundavia> siplus, in univesrse
[01:39] <_hp_> i did chown before mount, and could open, after mount -a it went back to root:root
[01:40] <siplus> i have apt-get on here, but it only has 1.1 available
[01:40] <nanot3ch> _hp_: mount -a basically resets the mounts without reboot...
[01:40] <^thehatsrule^> hey Razor-X ;p
[01:41] <nanot3ch> _hp_: All it should do, too :P
[01:41] <Burgundavia> siplus, this is #ubuntu, not #fedora
[01:41] <_hp_> nanot3ch, i did that, but it doesn't allow any app to see what's mounted...
[01:41] <siplus> ya, i know... oh well
[01:41] <thoreauputic> _hp_: mount points in general are *supposed* to be root:root
[01:41] <Burgundavia> siplus, install Ubuntu, it is in Universe
[01:41] <nanot3ch> _hp_: Yep...they should be root:root...why did you give your user full access?
[01:42] <_hp_> nanot3ch, my user is the one i created during the install...
[01:42] <thoreauputic> _hp_: your problem is more likely a wrong fstab line
[01:42] <Shadowpillar> how do I make a debian package?
[01:42] <nanot3ch> _hp_: whats your point? root is root :P
[01:43] <thoreauputic> _hp_: try looking at the file ;)   cat /etc/fstab
[01:43] <lifeless> whois nanot3ch
[01:43] <nanot3ch> lifeless: I would be nanot3ch. :P
[01:43] <lifeless> nanot3ch: I n
[01:43] <lifeless> bah this keyboard is killing me
[01:43] <nanot3ch> lifeless: ?
[01:44] <lifeless> nanot3ch: I know a nanotech, who is not you.
[01:44] <lifeless> wrong gn
[01:44] <lifeless> garh
[01:44] <nanot3ch> haha...
[01:44] <lifeless> wrong gender for starters
[01:44] <Shadowpillar> bob2: you around?
[01:44] <nanot3ch> ...:P
[01:45] <_hp_> i got it working, thanks to all
[01:45] <_hp_> it was the umask=0000 that i was missing
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> Shadowpillar: there is a debian guide to packaging
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> Shadowpillar: do a google search
[01:45] <dead^^> well, thanks a lot. I've been trying to ask that question like 6 times today and nobody has answered to me. I would appreciate if someone would just say to me "go to hell", but no. I'll refrase my question. here goes: "could anyone tell me how can I install applications which are zipped and when I extract them, there's just directories and there isn't even proper readme with it. It just says that "run the Java application" (.jar) or something li
[01:45] <dead^^> ke that and when I do, nothing happens. and plus, if here's not enough of typing to get someones attention, I'll throw away whole Linux and which back to Windows :S
[01:46] <Burgundavia> Shadowpillar, google the debian new maintainers guide
[01:46] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone want to save a 6kb Open Office 2 document into PDF for me? (I do not have OO2... and cannot open this file)
[01:46] <siplus> dead^^: sorry to hear you're being ignorred... what are you trying to install/run?
[01:46] <dead^^> siplus, DGuitar
[01:47] <thoreauputic> dead^^: I think to run java apps you type something like java jar <app> but someone else will know...
[01:47] <Shadowpillar> Burgundavia: would be great if ubuntu had an up to date version of zsnes
[01:48] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:48] <Fator_Dee> dead^^: if it says to run the java application, then run the java application :-p, that would be java -jar javaapnamehere
[01:48] <rhys-hynaws> snes lol
[01:48] <siplus> dead^^ one sec
[01:49] <siplus> dead^^: http://dguitar.sourceforge.net/en/inst-run.html
[01:49] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone want to save a 6kb Open Office 2 document into PDF for me? (I do not have OO2... and cannot open this file)
[01:50] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: i got all my music in Shared Documents am i ready to go?
[01:50] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: If file sharing on your Windows box is on, then you should be.
[01:50] <hybrid_goth> ok ty sooo much
[01:51] <_hp_> one more newbie question, rythmbox keeps returning "there is no plugin to handle an mp3 file"...
[01:51] <rhys-hynaws> Does anyone want to save a 6kb Open Office 2 document into PDF for me? (I do not have OO2... and cannot open this file)
[01:51] <bob2> Shadowpillar: ?
[01:51] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:51] <rhys-hynaws> FINE You stingy people. I will download OO2 for onefile. Good lord.
[01:51] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: er
[01:52] <nanot3ch> Does anyone know the default folder where Apache is? :P
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:52] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: please don't be abusive to strangers you're trying to get help from
[01:52] <Shadowpillar> bob2: was wondering about making a debian package
[01:52] <bob2> nanot3ch: /var/www/
[01:52] <bob2> Shadowpillar: ok
[01:52] <Shadowpillar> but nevermind
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> loll bob2
[01:52] <Shadowpillar> I'm about to take a nap
[01:52] <nanot3ch> bob2: thanks
[01:52] <thoreauputic> rhys-hynaws: are you sure the OOo2 files are not backward compatible??
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> 100% sure, thoreauputic
[01:52] <rhys-hynaws> I have tried and tried..
[01:52] <thoreauputic> that's nuts if so
[01:53] <rhys-hynaws> Completely... the file jsut opens empty in oo1
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: isnt OO nortourious for swaping formats
[01:53] <nanot3ch> bob2: where is httpd.conf and the bin to stop / restart Apache though? :P
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> or is that MS
[01:53] <rhys-hynaws> hybrid_goth, it is...
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> rhys-hynaws: either OOo or MS office
[01:54] <bob2> nanot3ch: er, /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[01:54] <rhys-hynaws> both. lol.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: the latter I hope
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> maybe be MS
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> lol
[01:54] <_hp_> Fator_Dee, there is no such package in synaptic
[01:54] <dead^^> siplus: well, that's just great. howcome people just can't type in the readme things like "chmod +x" or any other commands which 'ofcourse-aren't-so-important' (i'm trying to be sarcastic here) :P.  but really, thanks man
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: now that i think of it i believe it is MS
[01:54] <thoreauputic> hybrid_goth: rings a bell *grin*
[01:54] <nanot3ch> bob2: thanks once again! :)
[01:55] <rhys-hynaws> dead^^ just type sudo chmod 777 -rf *
[01:55] <rhys-hynaws> lol
[01:55] <vessuvius81> How do I get a startup script to run at boot time? I have the tomcat.sh script in /etc/init.d, and it will run when I do sudo /etc/init.d/tomcat5.sh start... just need to get it to run on startup.
[01:55] <hybrid_goth> thoreauputic: lol
[01:55] <cirkit_> I tried compiling gaim in ubuntu but it seems ubuntu is broken
[01:55] <cirkit_> *** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
[01:56] <kyncani> vessuvius81: use sysv-rc-conf or rcconf
[01:56] <rhys-hynaws> cirkit_, do not compile it
[01:56] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: it isn't ubuntu that's broken :)
[01:56] <siplus> dead^^: everything worked out then? :-D
[01:56] <rhys-hynaws> cirkit_, sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:56] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: no, that's not funny, do not give terrible advice to people again
[01:56] <cirkit_> but there is a new version of gaim that ubuntu doesnt have yet
[01:56] <cirkit_> i mean apt-get
[01:56] <cirkit_> why doenst ubuntu have gtk?
[01:56] <bob2> cirkit_: why do you want the new version?
[01:56] <nanot3ch> Anyone know how long it takes to compile MySQL 4.1?
[01:56] <bob2> cirkit_: of course it has gtk, don't be silly
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> cirkit_: do you have build essintails and gtk+ 2
[01:56] <Fator_Dee> dead^^: maybe because they think that it's common sense that file should be executable to be able to execute it :-p
[01:56] <cirkit_> well what the heck is that error for
[01:56] <rhys-hynaws> bob2, oh okay... well sorry... but I mean I have to chmod everything constantly... lol. Sorry.
[01:57] <bob2> cirkit_: it doesn't install every single development package by default, though, because that would be stupid
[01:57] <dead^^> rhys-hynaws, i know what chmod does, but just readme or websites didn't mention anything about it
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> bob2: i thonk he meant gtk+ 2
[01:57] <bob2> cirkit_: you need to run 'sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep gaim'
[01:57] <bob2> hybrid_goth: yes, I know what cirkit_ meant
[01:57] <rhys-hynaws> dead^^ I know what you mean... I have that problem constantly
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> bob2: well sorry
[01:57] <dead^^> siplus, yes it worked out. thanks man =)
[01:57] <cirkit_> i already have build essentioals
[01:57] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: the problem is you didn't know to look for the -dev packages :)
[01:57] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: do you have universe repository enabled? I think it's there
[01:58] <[FiDO] > can someone help me with apache2 Name Based Virtual Hosts
[01:58] <bob2> cirkit_: yes, run the command I gave you
[01:58] <cirkit_> is there some way i need to put GTK in a certain path??
[01:58] <cirkit_> bob2, im running the build-dep gaim one
[01:58] <bob2> cirkit_: no, run the command I gave you
[01:58] <bob2> cirkit_: good
[01:58] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: did you read what bob2  and I said?
[01:58] <bob2> [FiDO] : you need to be more specific
[01:59] <_hp_> Fator_Dee, found it, it was in the universe repository
[01:59] <_hp_> thanks
[01:59] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: good
[01:59] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, yes I read what you both said.
[01:59] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: OK :)
[01:59] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, I already have build essentials which I thought was weird getting a no GTK error
[01:59] <Fator_Dee> and now I think I should go get some sleep :-p
[01:59] <_hp_> it's playing perfectly now
[02:00] <cirkit_> thoreauputic, would you happen to have a link of certain apt-get things we might need with ubuntu?
[02:00] <[FiDO] > k I know I can add a Virtual Host in the sites-available directory but I want it to work like it did for the old version of apache where you'd have <VirtualHost 192.168.0.3> document root /var/www/ampache rather then the root director
[02:00] <bob2> cirkit_: think about it...how many potential sets of headers are there in ubuntu? hundreds, if not thousands.  installing them all would be silly.
[02:00] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: 99% of the time when you get a message compiling that something is missing, it means the *development* package
[02:00] <[FiDO] > for some reason this just isn't workign for me
[02:01] <cirkit_> shouldnt apt-get upgrade gaim get the latest version?
[02:01] <cirkit_> why doesnt it?
[02:01] <bob2> [FiDO] : add a file to the sites-available directory, containing the virtualhost stuff.  symlink it into the sites-enabled dir
[02:01] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: when you need to find something in apt, try apt-cache search <keyword>
[02:01] <_hp_> cirkit_, root is disabled, use synaptic
[02:01] <bob2> cirkit_: no, that's not what 'apt-get upgrade' does, please read the man page
[02:01] <bob2> cirkit_: also, hoary is frozen, and will not be getting new versions of software
[02:01] <bob2> this is how software releases work
[02:01] <[FiDO] > can you just tack it on the end of the default site
[02:02] <bob2> if you want random new uploads of potentially unstable software, ubuntu stable is not what you want
[02:02] <thoreauputic> cirkit_: you can't expect a stable distribution to update everything all the time
[02:02] <bob2> what amazing new features does the new minor version of gaim have?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> bob2: probably a new icon or something crucial like that ;-)
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> bob2... well we're talking 1.1.4 to 1.3.9
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> 1.3.0**
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> so t'aint so minor...
[02:03] <aVeedo> This is common: What's the fix for sound?  I've seen it here but never had the problem before.
[02:03] <rhys-hynaws> bob2 There are major security bugs with msn fixed...
[02:03] <bob2> aVeedo: depends what the problem is
[02:03] <usynic> aVeedo: it's on http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:03] <Burgundavia> rhys-hynaws, that is minor
[02:03] <shido6> ok
[02:03] <bob2> rhys-hynaws: then they will be backported to the version in hoary
[02:03] <shido6> i finally got vmware to SEE my /dev/hda1 partition
[02:04] <shido6> but now grub is bitching at me
[02:04] <shido6> can I do some voodoo with the xp boot cd?
[02:04] <vessuvius81> thnx kyncani
[02:04] <shido6> without screwin anythin
[02:04] <shido6> or
[02:04] <shido6> u know what
[02:04] <Burgundavia> rhys-hynaws, if there are security fixes, file a bug, so they can be backported
[02:04] <shido6> n/m i'll make a boot disk
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> anyone here use Vim for coding?
[02:04] <bob2> yes
[02:04] <Liz> anyone else having problems with authentication on the new updates for hoary?
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> bob2: nice?
[02:04] <bob2> hybrid_goth: yes. I do prefer emacs, though.
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> bob2: ok is it better than nano for coding?
[02:05] <bob2> hybrid_goth: both of them are
[02:05] <bob2> most editors are better than nano for anything aside from simplicity
[02:05] <Burgundavia> rhys-hynaws, http://www.gnomefiles.org/version.php?soft_id=153
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> bob2: ok ty
[02:05] <Razor-X> just got Java working in Konqueror, wasn't hard at all
[02:05] <calavera> I'm looking for some help with xorg and a trident driver.
[02:06] <runedude> hi guys got a question.. when I have Xvnc running, how do I get a terminal inside of the VNC session, or X?
[02:06] <calavera> It seems the overlay won't work. Is this a known issue with 6.8.2?
[02:06] <shido6> how do I create a boot disk for ubuntu (floppy) Im really going to make an iso so I can boot the iso from vmware to boot my xp partition
[02:06] <rhys-hynaws> Burgundavia, namaste
[02:06] <calavera> The overlay works fine if I use the VESA driver instead of the trident driver.
[02:07] <bob2> calavera: google doesn't know anything?
[02:07] <bob2> I'd wager trident is not the most closely maintained driver
[02:07] <calavera> bob2: Not that I can find. Most just say its a bugged driver.
[02:08] <calavera> bob2: True, Trident doesn't seem to be forthcoming.
[02:09] <dead^^> ahem... if type command "java -jav javaapnamehere" to start up java application, am I doing something wrong or does the computer just fcuk with me? :S
[02:09] <dead^^> nothing happens
[02:09] <thoreauputic> typo? I think you want -jar
[02:09] <thoreauputic> not -jav
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> newbie question.. i just compiled a C prog in gcc it gave me a.out
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> how do i execute it
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> ./a.out
[02:10] <lifeless> ./a.out
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[02:10] <lifeless> (be sure to do it twice ;))
[02:10] <dead^^> thoreauputic,  sorry, i meant -jar. i'm drunk and tired :)
[02:10] <hybrid_goth> lifeless: lol
[02:11] <thoreauputic> dead^^: we are assuming you have javav installed, of course...
[02:11] <thoreauputic> *java
[02:11] <hybrid_goth> dead^^: wow drunk tired and you *are* dead
[02:11] <dead^^> thoreauputic,  yes, it should be :P
[02:11] <dead^^> hybrid_goth, lol
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> :D
[02:13] <hybrid_goth> nanot3ch: how do i start samba?
[02:13] <bob2> it's started already
[02:13] <bob2> assuming you installed it
[02:13] <calavera> bob2: From what I've seen there are supposed to be some fixes with XFree86 4.1.0, but I already tried 4.3.0 and it exhibited the same problems.
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> bob2: well how do i get the other files on my network
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> i just apted it
[02:14] <bob2> calavera: hoary is well past Xfree86 4.1 and Xfree86 4.3
[02:14] <nanot3ch> hybrid_goth: Samba is just a frontend to access windows services...make sure you have it installed on your system, then I believe it is either smb or samba in terminal.
[02:14] <bob2> hybrid_goth: I don't know what you mean
[02:14] <DAC1138> is there anyone here from ubuntu with the shipit system?
[02:15] <bob2> hybrid_goth: samba is a server, it has nothing to do with accessing other windows machines
[02:15] <bob2> DAC1138: why do you ask?
[02:15] <nanot3ch> bob2: samba client...
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> nvm nanot3ch got it
[02:15] <calavera> bob2: I know. I installed them to test and see if they had a functioning video overlay.
[02:16] <DAC1138> bob2 im just wondering what's going on with them. are they still shipping cds? i set an order for some hoary cds march 25th, and they said hoary wont ship until mid april
[02:16] <bob2> DAC1138: they should be on their way to you
[02:16] <johan> I have a big problem now..
[02:16] <johan> root password is not working
[02:16] <johan> :(
[02:16] <DAC1138> bob2 ive got some friends who want some cds, and im wondering if it would be faster to just burn them myself. but i know as soon as i get them burned, theyll arrive the next day in the mail
[02:17] <bob2> johan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:17] <shawnh> hi
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> johan: there is no root in ubuntu look at the link
[02:17] <bob2> johan: and, in future, please do read the text printed during install (it explains that there is no root account)
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: hi
[02:17] <shawnh> hybris
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> bob2: rofl
[02:17] <bob2> DAC1138: well, ideally they should be there now
[02:17] <shawnh>  how is it going
[02:18] <shawnh>  where ya from?
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> good you
[02:18] <shawnh>  30mbc
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: texas you?
[02:18] <shawnh> n2b
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> good
[02:18] <shawnh>   canada
[02:18] <shawnh> www.crestonbc.com
[02:18] <nderjm> Ive setup a DHCP server and am testing it (dhcpd -d -f eth0), but it keeps telling me that there are no free leases on subnet 192.168.0.0.  Any ideas?
[02:18] <chillywilly> Before mercury, brandy was used to fill thermometers.
[02:18] <shawnh> what's up in Texas
[02:18] <zoddan^wlan> Hi
[02:18] <zoddan^wlan> did a new screenshit a moment ago
[02:18] <shawnh> zoddan
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> http://hybrid-online.tk and http://hybrid-undergorund.tk
[02:19] <zoddan^wlan> shawnh: ?
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> ntm trying to get media off a networked windoze machine how is canada
[02:19] <shawnh> how is  it going
[02:19] <johan> bob2: anvandare@ubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/sudoers
[02:19] <zoddan^wlan> shawnh: good
[02:19] <fluideye> hey all
[02:19] <shawnh> yeah it is great the weather today  was unbelieveable
[02:19] <shawnh> fluid eye
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> cool
[02:19] <johan> bob2: anvandare is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported
[02:19] <zoddan^wlan> http://zoddan.mine.nu/ubuntu2.png a comment? :)
[02:20] <shawnh> how old are you hybrid
[02:20] <fluideye> why is it when i try sudo apt-get I get couldn't find package
[02:20] <chillywilly> nice irssi
[02:20] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: 14 you
[02:20] <fluideye> this is with all packages i've tried to get
[02:20] <bob2> johan: er, yes, why would you run that file?
[02:20] <bob2> johan: what are you trying to do?
[02:20] <chillywilly> I still think gkrellm is the most hideoous monitoring program ever made ;)
[02:20] <chillywilly> hideous too
[02:21] <batkins_> chillywilly: is there anything better?
[02:21] <johan> bob2: wait....
[02:21] <chillywilly> batkins_: gdesklets can be used
[02:21] <chillywilly> :)
[02:21] <hybrid_goth> shawnh: 14  you
[02:22] <shawnh> m?
[02:22] <chillywilly> I miss my gdesklets
[02:22] <shawnh> yeah  30
[02:22] <shawnh> what is that chilly
[02:22] <fluideye> shawnh: can you help?
[02:22] <chillywilly> most of th good ones were b0rked the last time I tried to use them
[02:22] <shawnh> can you help me?
[02:22] <shawnh>  don;t know cha  you
[02:22] <batkins_> eh, gkrellm's not so bad
[02:22] <chillywilly> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[02:22] <UNI`> :D
[02:23] <zoddan^wlan> what does everyone think? :P
[02:23] <shawnh> bout what
[02:23] <zoddan^wlan> my screen
[02:23] <shawnh> the world?
[02:23] <shawnh>  hehhe
[02:23] <hybrid_goth> synaptic is _SLOW_
[02:23] <shawnh> brb
[02:23] <fluideye> any help? why is it when i try sudo apt-get return couldn't find package with every app i've tried
[02:24] <UNI`> :o
[02:24] <UNI`> I have ubuntu now :D
[02:24] <UNI`> I haven't installed it yet though
[02:24] <shawnh> ok dude
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> fluideye: repos set?
[02:24] <snakesqzns> gkrellm has the best plugin: http://horus.comlab.uni-rostock.de/flynn/
[02:24] <shawnh> accept the file
[02:24] <fluideye> newb don't know
[02:24] <bob2> fluideye: presumably you're not using the right package names
[02:24] <NigelS> fluideye: so you've run sudo apt-get update, with repositories in /etc/apt/spources.list and then gone sudo apt-get install <package> ?
[02:24] <UNI`> Is ubuntu user friendly
[02:24] <bob2> fluideye: give us some examples of what you've tried
[02:24] <UNI`> ?
[02:24] <fluideye> no
[02:25] <UNI`> I am not well versed in linux
[02:25] <UNI`> :(
[02:25] <thoreauputic> fluideye: apt-cache search <keyword> ; sudo apt-get install <what you found>
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> fluideye: look at /etc/apt/sources.list and see if any urls have a # or 2 b4 them
[02:25] <fluideye> nigels  how would i do that
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: yes it is UF but can be very powerfull
[02:25] <bob2> fluideye: tell us which packages won't work for you
[02:25] <UNI`> Cool :D
[02:26] <zoddan^wlan> shawnh what ?
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: yes it is a debian deveriant so it can be powerfull but if you dont tweek it is juss another os
[02:26] <fluideye> gftp, flash, and acrobat
[02:26] <bob2> fluideye: then you're using the wrong package names
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: best thing is it uses apt :D
[02:26] <UNI`> Yeah ! :D
[02:26] <Zotnix> Anyone here have troubles using the nvidia drivers? Basically X liking to crash a lot?
[02:26] <bob2> fluideye: except gftp, which is correct
[02:26] <UNI`> I will put it on my other computer for now
[02:26] <UNI`> And then if I like it put it on this computer :)
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> ;)
[02:26] <Zotnix> Every so often X freezes and I have to make my poor friend shell in, kill x, and restart it.
[02:27] <bob2> fluideye: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, read that to find out how to enable the universe repository to get gftp
[02:27] <bob2> fluideye: read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to learn about flash
[02:27] <bob2> and then watch firefox become amusingly unstable
[02:27] <fluideye> this is what i used  sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[02:27] <UNI`> XD
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> bob2: what is the deal with ubuntu and "restricted formats"?
[02:27] <bob2> fluideye: yes, read the pages I just told you about
[02:28] <Zotnix> Okay, with the nv open source drivers... is it more stable?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> fluideye: did you apt-get update before trying to install ?
[02:28] <bob2> hybrid_goth: ubuntu can't distribute things like that without being sued
[02:28] <bob2> Zotnix: yes
[02:28] <bob2> hybrid_goth: well, potentially sued.  and canonical being sued is baaaaad.
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> bob2: right now? why?
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> o i c
[02:28] <bob2> hybrid_goth: why would they get sued or why would it be bad?
[02:29] <fluideye> hybrid-goth  there are several urls with #
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> nvm i thot u said they *are* being sued
[02:29] <bob2> ah
[02:29] <bob2> fluideye: seriously, please read the pages I told you about
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> fluideye: well delete the #
[02:29] <bob2> fluideye: they explain all this
[02:29] <UNI`> I am new to freenode :)
[02:29] <Zotnix> Hrm.
[02:29] <UNI`> I am moving my channel to this network :D
[02:29] <fluideye> bob2  k
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> fluideye:  yes ubuntu has AWESOME howto
[02:29] <Zotnix> Thought so. Seems nvidia likes to freeze up.. nice card too :(
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> UNI`: heh
[02:30] <Nalioth> howdy
[02:30] <_hp_> canonical is a company, and companies are meant to make money. getting sued is a nice way of loosing money
[02:30] <UNI`> Hi :D
[02:34] <johan> bob2 If I try to run for example synaptec I can't log in. get error Child terminated with 1 status
[02:34] <bob2> you're being too vague
[02:35] <bob2> do you mean "When I try to run Synaptic from the menu, it asks for a password, then when I enter it, it fails with "child terminated with 1 status""?
[02:36] <johan> bob2: it take some time for me to spell in english..Can't install english dictionary ether:)  wait..
[02:36] <bob2> ok
[02:38] <danko123456> msn.msn.icowww.winamp.com
[02:39] <johan> bob2: I have probobly change something in "users and groups" now if I try to open something I need root acces to I get the error message
[02:40] <johan> bob2: for example...failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic:
[02:40] <johan>  Child terminated with 1 status
[02:41] <merkidemis> Would anyone have some time to assist me in getting my audio working?  I have onboad sound provided by a Realtek ALC655 chip.
[02:43] <Andril> hello all
[02:43] <zoddan^wlan> dah, how do i close PM in irssi ?
[02:43] <Andril> has anyone installed inkscape yet?
[02:43] <Gabriel> Is there a way to make all icons stand on the right side instead on my Gnome 2.10 desktop?
[02:43] <zoddan^wlan> got it
[02:44] <merkidemis> Gabriel: what do you mean?
[02:44] <johan> bob2: others have beenhaving the same problem but I don't find a way to fix the problem
[02:44] <runedude> hmm
[02:44] <johan> bob2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=b1ab63bce0273d8dc976eb58c2de19e3&p=156991#post156991
[02:44] <johan> :(
[02:45] <runedude> do you guys know how to install gdm, but not have it autostart?
[02:45] <Andril> Inkscape help over here anyone?
[02:45] <Gabriel> merkidemis, by default the icons stand on the left, I would like them to be on the right... I can manually move them at the moment but when a USB or a CD is plugged the icon(s) appear(s) on the left side
[02:45] <tritium> runedude, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[02:46] <Gabriel> merkidemis, maybe there is a way to change this in the gconf editor?
[02:46] <tritium> you'll want the first method, which uses update-rc.d, runedude, and subst. "g" for the "?"
[02:47] <johan> Andril: Have you tryed #inkscape on server irc.freenode.org
[02:47] <runedude> ok
[02:47] <runedude> but is there a way to have GNOME on VNC?
[02:47] <nderjm> anyone know of any DHCP 2 issues on Warty?
[02:48] <Andril> johan, nope but I will try it
[02:48] <tritium> runedude, vino should be installed.  See System->Preferences->Remote Desktop
[02:48] <dataw0lf> johan: we're on freenode.
[02:48] <runedude> it says vino IS installed
[02:48] <runedude> :p
[02:48] <dataw0lf> so, just.. channel #inkscape
[02:48] <dataw0lf> ie
[02:48] <dataw0lf> /join #inkscape
[02:49] <johan> dataw0lf:  but not in #inkscape:)
[02:49] <tritium> runedude, there's also client in Applications->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[02:49] <johan> dataw0lf:ok
[02:49] <merkidemis> gabriel: hmm, I get it now.  Sadly, I don't know how you'd change that
[02:50] <Andril> has anyone tried the autopackage?
[02:50] <runedude> tritium, i have no access to the remote box:)
[02:50] <johan> bob2: do you have any ide??:)
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Andril: I've tried autopackage - it works well enough but be careful of collisions with the dpkg/apt system ( I believe they are working on it)
[02:51] <tritium> Andril, here's a link you may find interesting by Joey Hess re: autopackage: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/autopackage_designed_by_monkeys-2005-03-28-14-20.html
[02:52] <hyphenated> anyone here have an inspiron 6000 laptop and have managed to make the ATI fglrx driver work nicely?
[02:52] <hyphenated> (I've checked the forums, and it works fine with the 'ati' driver, but not with 'fglrx')
[02:52] <merkidemis> When I try to play things in VLC, I get an error:  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp).  Can someone assist me in getting my sound card set up correctly?
[02:52] <tritium> runedude, then what were you planning on using vnc for?
[02:52] <mitspooner> any ideas on why my install freezes on the python config on my new celeron??
[02:53] <merkidemis> mitspooner: What version of python?
[02:53] <mitspooner> 2.4
[02:53] <darkaudit> duh... I'm pulling my hair out looking for a CD cover image... then I realize a) the cover is right in front of me, and b) there's a scanner upstairs :p
[02:53] <nderjm> Anyone know of any DHCP2 issues with Ubuntu Warty?
[02:53] <runedude> tritium, I have no access to its desktop, I only have access via shell
[02:53] <mitspooner> it just hangs
[02:53] <tritium> runedude, I see.
[02:54] <runedude> its my friends box
[02:54] <merkidemis> mitspooner: not off hand, sorry.  Perhaps you could leave it off, finish the install, then add it later?
[02:54] <runedude> we dont want 2 things of X running'
[02:54] <thoreauputic> tritium: I think that autopackage blog rant misses the point of autopackage: it isn't a package format in itself
[02:55] <tritium> thoreauputic, I don't know, as I've not looked into it
[02:55] <thoreauputic> tritium: I think it has a way to go before it is good: but the idea itself is a good one
[02:55] <mitspooner> merkidemis: it wont instal at all that is my problem
[02:55] <Andril> just asking because none seems to know the command for Inkscape - and it disappeared from Synaptics
[02:55] <merkidemis> mitspooner: ouch.
[02:56] <tritium> Andril, dpkg -L inkscape will list the files in the package, so you can find out
[02:56] <merkidemis> mitspooner: sorry I can't help yah
[02:56] <bur[n] er> can someone do me a favor and see if "vncviewer -listen" works for them??
[02:57] <thoreauputic> tritium: he installed it with autopackage, I believe - so dpkg won't know about it
[02:57] <kyncani> runedude: well, that's really twisted :) but you could dpkg-divert /etc/init.d/gdm to smthing else, provide a empty gdm init script, install gdm, and dpkg-divert back :D
[02:57] <tritium> thoreauputic, oh...that's interesting
[02:57] <runedude> kyncani, ill keep it simple and just not use X:)
[02:57] <kyncani> :))
[02:58] <johan> I have probebly change something in "users and groups" now if I try to open something I need root acces to I get the error message:.failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 1 status
[02:58] <thoreauputic> tritium: autopackage has some unresolved issues like integration with packaging systems
[02:58] <johan> Please someone help me:(
[02:58] <tritium> runedude, did you try the update-rc.d approach?
[02:59] <tritium> thoreauputic, I would imagine.
[02:59] <Nalioth> johan, terminal is your friend
[02:59] <bur[n] er> johan: 'sudo synaptic' ?
[02:59] <bur[n] er> johan: or run "gksu synaptic" in X
[02:59] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$ sudo synaptic
[02:59] <johan> Password:
[02:59] <johan> anvandare is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[02:59] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$
[03:00] <bur[n] er> aww
[03:00] <bur[n] er> can you get to root at all?
[03:00] <johan> :(
[03:00] <bur[n] er> from another user possibly?
[03:00] <kyncani> johan: are you in group admin ?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> johan: reboot into recovery mode and use visudo to add your user to /etc/sudoers
[03:00] <johan> bur[n] er: Im a newbei and only have the defult acount
[03:01] <bob2> kyncani: there is no group admin
[03:01] <bur[n] er> johan: did you f with /etc/sudoers?
[03:01] <bob2> johan: you did something weird to your system
[03:01] <kyncani> bur[n] er,bob2: here, all members of group admin can sudo everything (default hoary install)
[03:01] <bob2> you renamed an account, or twiddled the sudoers file or something
[03:01] <foxiness> johan, www.ubuntuguide.org/index.html#allowmoresudoers
[03:02] <bur[n] er> kyncani: you're right... i just checked my /etc/sudoers :)
[03:02] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$ sudo  /etc/sudoers
[03:02] <johan> Password:
[03:02] <johan> anvandare is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[03:02] <johan> anvandare@ubuntu:~$
[03:02] <bur[n] er> kyncani: good tip
[03:02] <bob2> kyncani: I have no admin group, and sudoers doesn't mention it at all
[03:02] <thoreauputic> foxiness: that won't help: he needs root access now
[03:02] <bob2> johan: stop pasting that, it means nothing
[03:02] <bob2> johan: you can't run random text files
[03:02] <johan> bob2:yes:(
[03:02] <bob2> johan: what did you do to your system?
[03:02] <danko123456> can he list the users on the system?
[03:02] <bob2> we can't help you until ou tell us how you broke it
[03:02] <johan> bob2:don't know..
[03:02] <kyncani> bob2: maybe it changed from warty to hoary ?
[03:02] <foxiness> johan, did use chmod ? or chown ?
[03:02] <bob2> kyncani: I'd be very very surprised
[03:02] <kyncani> bob2: here's a fresh hoary install
[03:03] <runedude> tritium, yea
[03:03] <runedude> its ok
[03:03] <runedude> i got it now thanks
[03:03] <johan>  ***bur[n] er: mayby
[03:03] <bur[n] er> cat: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[03:03] <bob2> johan: so you made a new user?
[03:03] <bur[n] er> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[03:03] <bur[n] er> %admin	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:03] <foxiness> thoreauputic, i c , did he need to add this to /etc/passwd
[03:03] <bur[n] er> see bob2!
[03:03] <johan> wait..
[03:04] <thoreauputic> foxiness: he can get root access from the recovery option of grub: but he will need to know how to edit /etc/sudoers
[03:05] <hyphenated> how do you log into recovery mode if you haven't set a root password?
[03:05] <danko123456> go into the passwd file, and look at the users on the system...find out which one might have been b4...
[03:05] <bur[n] er> if he can get in recovery mode... presumably, he can just set a root password ;)
[03:05] <bob2> hyphenated: you reboot and escape the whole auth system entirely
[03:05] <hyphenated> it asks for the root password when it gets to the 'maintenance' prompt, right?
[03:05] <foxiness> hyphenated, it will not need it , it all
[03:05] <bob2> hyphenated: no
[03:05] <hyphenated> oh ok
[03:05] <bob2> bur[n] er: well, I don't see that in the sudo package at all
[03:05] <bob2> but if you say it's there, I guess I just missed it being introduced
[03:06] <hyphenated> so it'll only prompt you if a root password has actually been set?
[03:06] <bur[n] er> bob2: i didn't set it ;)
[03:06] <bur[n] er> hyphenated: it won't prompt at all when using recovery mode (aka linux single)
[03:06] <thoreauputic> bob2: It seems to be a Hoary thing : on Warty it was just adm
[03:07] <johan> I can log in and out as "anvandare" should I reboot?
[03:07] <danko123456> for whqt?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> johan: no, you choose recovery mode: but read about visudo first
[03:07] <foxiness> johan, no
[03:07] <danko123456> for logging in?
[03:07] <bur[n] er> johan: reboot... pick "recovery mode" from grub menu... then set a root password using "passwd" and then log back out and in normally and come back here ;)
[03:08] <danko123456> thoreauputic: is there no sudo user on his computer at all?
[03:08] <bur[n] er> once a root password is set, you can login normally and then "su" to get to root and fix whatever you broke ;)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> danko123456: he removed himself from sudoers by accident
[03:08] <foxiness> johan, this new user need to be on sudoers list
[03:08] <danko123456> oh, ok...
[03:08] <bob2> well, I don't htink we know what johan did
[03:08] <johan> it take some time for me to spell in english..Can't install english dictionary ether:)  wait..
[03:08] <bob2> it sounds like he/she made a new user who didn't have sudo priveleges
[03:09] <thoreauputic> bob2: true, I'm just guessing
[03:09] <foxiness> lol
[03:09] <danko123456> johan, look in your /etc/passwd file, with vi, or something like gedit, and see if there is a user you used b4...
[03:10] <thoreauputic> danko123456: he won't be allowed access to /etc/password
[03:10] <thoreauputic> danko123456: until he can get root privileges
[03:10] <foxiness> thoreauputic, good :)
[03:10] <kyncani> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1612 2005-04-29 22:55 /etc/passwd
[03:10] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: not true... any user can read it
[03:10] <kyncani> read access for every1
[03:10] <foxiness> kyncani, more is good too
[03:10] <thoreauputic> OK - my bad
[03:11] <thoreauputic> as long as he can't write to it :)
[03:11] <kyncani> ;)
[03:11] <johan> not  allowed access to /etc/password
[03:11] <danko123456> he can view it...
[03:11] <danko123456> not at all?
[03:12] <danko123456> mine can anyhow...
[03:12] <johan>  I reboot... pick "recovery mode" from grub menu... then set a root password using "passwd" and then log back out and in normally and come back here...
[03:12] <johan> or??
[03:12] <johan> :-/
[03:12] <danko123456> you can, maybe, or edit the file from there.
[03:12] <kyncani> johan: right, simple, effective
[03:12] <danko123456> add a line to allow your user to sudo.
[03:13] <johan> you think I will be able to come back?
[03:13] <johan> No backup plan ... Im a newbei..:)
[03:14] <Stoney47> evening guys, any of you tried openmosix with hoary yet?
[03:15] <johan> Okej we will se what happens. If I sucseed I will come back....
[03:16] <johan> Thank you all for the help
[03:16] <johan> :)
[03:16] <danko123456> you will be back even if it dont work:)
[03:16] <danko123456> cya soon
[03:17] <MeMcme123> hello
[03:17] <danko123456> yo
[03:23] <Flav> i went to install python on my hoary box, it listed python-profiler as a suggestion, but that package doesn't exist?
[03:23] <lmh> hi all
[03:25] <lmh> have a problem getting dual head of my radeon 9500 working
[03:25] <lmh> first monitor works, second not
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Flav: apt-cache policy python-profiler says
[03:25] <thoreauputic>  2.4-3ubuntu1 0
[03:25] <thoreauputic>         500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[03:26] <lmh> tried fglrxconfig
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Flav: you haven't enabled multiverse, I'd say
[03:26] <Flav> thoreauputic: that's right - hadn't heard of multiverse before
[03:26] <lmh> anybody who could help me?
[03:27] <Stoney47> lmh, i use nvidia, but for that i need to use twinview in my config, there might be something like that for ati too
[03:27] <lmh> could you show me the server-layout part of your config?
[03:28] <lmh> stoney47: do u use Xinerama?
[03:28] <P2OG> is there a console command to set TIME manually
[03:28] <Stoney47> lmh, yup
[03:28] <lmh> p20g: date
[03:28] <P2OG> ok so date <>?
[03:29] <P2OG> date <what goes here>
[03:29] <johan> ok..I am able to loging in and out from the system:)
[03:29] <simon__> if I modprobe a driver, I lsmod and it shows the driver is loaded, but it's not loading wlan0, any idea?
[03:29] <lmh> p20g: date -s
[03:29] <johan> Was going for the recovery mode and was coming to a comandline root@
[03:29] <lmh> p20g: date --help
[03:29] <simon__> I tried alias wlan0 prism2_usb but it says that there is no wlan0 and prism2_usb
[03:30] <johan> Im a newbie can I ask what I should write??...
[03:30] <lmh> p20g: date -s [MMddhhmm[[cc] yy] .ss] 
[03:31] <lmh> Stoney47: how can you show it to me?
[03:31] <Stoney47> lmh, i sent it too you in a pm
[03:32] <lmh> Stoney47: ups, sorry (newbie to X-Chat - Prog)
[03:32] <Stoney47> lmh, np :)
[03:32] <hyphenated> is there a runlevel that doesn't start gdm by default?
[03:32] <Stoney47> is there any downside to using the multiverse?
[03:33] <johan>  hyphenated: You ask me?
[03:33] <eob84> has anyone gotten Rhythm box to work in KDE?
[03:34] <eob84> I need to know what flag to put in the audiosource field under gconfig
[03:34] <lmh> Stoney47: do u use several device - parts?
[03:34] <Stoney47> yeah, hold on i'll send you my whole config
[03:35] <NightwishFreak> hello everyone
[03:35] <simon__>  if I modprobe a driver, I lsmod and it shows the driver is loaded, but it's not loading wlan0, any idea?
[03:36] <goldfish> gat] 
[03:36] <goldfish>  gasjdfh sd
[03:36] <goldfish> g sdgsdag u
[03:36] <goldfish> das
[03:36] <tritium> hyphenated, no, use update-rc.d to disable gdm if you want to
[03:36] <thoreauputic> goldfish: cut it out
[03:38] <tritium> hyphenated, see here for more info: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[03:39] <goldfish> ?:Dtop
[03:39] <goldfish> :D
[03:40] <tritium> goldfish, please stop
[03:40] <goldfish> *Sigh*
[03:40] <goldfish> Really sorry, some moron took my terminal.
[03:41] <goldfish> someone took over my screen session, thought it was "funny"
[03:41] <goldfish> I'll get them back!
[03:41] <stuNNed> hehe
[03:42] <Nalioth> goldfish, took you terminal? apt-get some more
[03:42] <goldfish> hehe
[03:42] <Anubis> my system froze
[03:42] <Anubis> I think Firefox did it
[03:42] <Anubis> and after reboot nautilus is not starting or is dead
[03:42] <Anubis> I can't get a desktop
[03:43] <Anubis> no tool bar
[03:43] <Anubis> no applets
[03:43] <Anubis> wtf?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Anubis: run ps aux | grep nautilus and see if there are things running, then kill them
[03:44] <thoreauputic> hmm... quick visit....
[03:44] <hyphenated> tritium: fantastic, thanks
[03:44] <tritium> hyphenated, :)
[03:46] <hyphenated> (I just mv'd the file/link to a .file instead)
[03:49] <tritium> hyphenated, heh, okay
[03:51] <LinuxDebian> salut tout le monde
[03:51] <tritium> LinuxDebian, you might be looking for #ubuntu-fr
[03:52] <skore> hi
[03:52] <LinuxDebian> tank you Trickyphillips
[03:52] <johan> no I can't understand how I can make a new user in recovery mode...
[03:52] <skore> i need help
[03:52] <IFR_> I'm on a i686 but when I installed I ended up with kernel 2.6.10-5-386. ANyone have an opinion as to whether I should upgrade to 2.6.10-5-686 or go straight for it with linux-source-2.6.11 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.11 with Ubuntu patches?
[03:53] <tritium> IFR_, don't use 2.6.11, it's unsupported
[03:53] <tritium> If I were you, IFR_ I'd install linux-686
[03:53] <IFR_> Thanks so much tritium, is that the actual package name?
[03:54] <IFR_> Sorry to be presumptuous
[03:54] <tritium> IFR_, yes, it depends on a kernel image, as well as linux-restricted-modules
[03:54] <Anubis> how can I kill gnome
[03:54] <IFR_> Thanks so much. If I apt-get it will it get the depends or should I cope with them first?
[03:54] <Anubis> its still running
[03:54] <IFR_> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[03:54] <IFR_> Anubis
[03:54] <Anubis> but I'm in another DED?
[03:54] <tritium> IFR_, apt will take care of the dependencies for you
[03:55] <Anubis> gnome seems to be still running after I exit from it!?
[03:55] <johan> don't get any results in google...don't even now exactly what I want? Create new user ? Change password?
[03:55] <IFR_> Thanks! One last question, tritium: I just compiled ipw2200 version 1.0.0 for my -386 kernel. Should I uninstall and reinstall after the lernel upgrade?
[03:55] <IFR_> Or just let it be?
[03:56] <IFR_> tritium, sorry the ipw2200 is wifi driver
[03:56] <tritium> IFR_, you can just let it be in case you keep the -386 kernel around.
[03:56] <IFR_> Right. But I'll have to install again in the 686 kernel? Sorry if I misunderstood.
[03:56] <Anubis> is there a cmd to kill gnome or a process in gnome that will stop it shoulld that process die?
[03:57] <Anubis> i need my resources back
[03:57] <tritium> IFR_, yes, you will need to do the same for the new kernel
[03:57] <IFR_> Thanks Tritium!
[03:57] <tritium> sure :)
[03:57] <Anubis> me next tritum
[03:57] <IFR_> Anubis, ps aux | grep gnome
[03:57] <IFR_> But you sure you really wanna?
[03:58] <Anubis> yes
[03:58] <Anubis> I'm in xfce4 right now
[03:58] <IFR_> Whoops. Just past me. Sorry
[03:58] <IFR_> Thanks again tritium, have a great night
[03:59] <snoop_> hello...
[03:59] <snoop_> can anyone help me out with some trouble i am having with my wireless connection?
[04:00] <shad0w1e> anyone here know how to use vsftpd? I'm looking to allow specific users access to specific directories, AS WELL AS their home directory
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Anubis: if you are in xfce4 some gnome things will probably be running ( xfce seems to use nautilus to draw the desktop for example)
[04:00] <Anubis> thx for that
[04:00] <lmh> join #xorg
[04:01] <Anubis> something is very wrong here
[04:01] <Anubis> its weird because I had an uptime of 25 days before this
[04:01] <thoreauputic> me supplies a missing / for lmh
[04:01] <geppy> I've tried googling and just messing around with it, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to make an GStreamer project in Anjuta;  I don't know how to make it look in /usr/include/gstreamer-0.8 for "gst/gst.h"
[04:01] <thoreauputic> and forgets one himself :)
[04:01] <Anubis> I'm going ot try and reboot
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Anubis: did you try ps | aux and look for culprits?
[04:02] <geppy> Is anyone in here familiar with Anjuta?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Anubis: it's probably some misbehaving process you can kill the parent of
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Anubis: sorry that should have been ` ps aux `
[04:05] <geppy> Anjuta, anyone?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Anubis: so used to using | grep that I put it in the wrong place...
[04:05] <Anubis> rythmbox its weird
[04:05] <benplaut> is Morphix LightGUI any good when installed?
[04:05] <Anubis> every app I was running appears to be runniig
[04:05] <Anubis> as if gnome IS still running
[04:05] <benplaut> ubuntu isn't light enough...
[04:06] <bob2> benplaut: #morphix might know
[04:06] <geppy> benplaut: I think you mean that Gnome isn't light enough.  Have you given Fluxbox a try?  I've had many a positive experience with it.  If not, xfce, blackbox, and others all have good followings.
[04:06] <benplaut> bob2: asking there, too
[04:07] <benplaut> geppy: i have tried many, but it is not for me. it is for people who possibly haven't even heard of linux
[04:07] <thoreauputic> the new xfce4 is very impressive
[04:07] <mebaran151> XFCE is nice
[04:07] <mebaran151> xfce4 is really easy to use
[04:08] <foxiness> if i want "clamav" just to out put "found" virus ? how
[04:08] <blake> still workin on appache
[04:09] <MeMcme123> Does everyone here have thier Episode 3 tickets yet?
[04:09] <foxiness> if i want to run this command on start up "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" where i need to put it ?
[04:09] <geppy> Anyone in here any good with makefiles?
[04:10] <snoop_> anyone good with wireless connections? i need a bit of help
[04:10] <thoreauputic> benplaut: IceWM ia kind of windowsish if they haven't used linux before
[04:11] <thoreauputic> foxiness: actually you need to put an entry in /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:11] <geppy> argh
[04:11] <geppy> I can't stand it
[04:11] <geppy> programming gstreamer sucks
[04:11] <foxiness> thoreauputic, i like the icon of xfce4 and am use terminal "of xfce on my gnome" i like it its look like firefox
[04:13] <foxiness> thoreauputic, it act like firefox idea on some gui if im not wrong , i hope gnome follow that idea and use the same icon on xfce4.2
[04:16] <shad0w1e> is there any way to set up a list of directories that a user will see when they ftp in using vsftpd?
[04:17] <snoop_> anyone, does ubuntu support wap encrypted networks?
[04:18] <hyphenated> snoop_: if you mean WEP, then yes
[04:18] <thread> anybody know why a fresh apache/php4 install would cause the server to try and send down the php file rather than it's postprocessed output?
[04:18] <hyphenated> assuming you have a decent driver for a decent wifi card
[04:19] <trah> Does Ubuntu come with an SSH server installed?
[04:19] <snoop_> hyphenated: i set up the drivers on my linux card, but it does not work..
[04:20] <snoop_> * by linux, i mean linksys
[04:20] <Bandit> good evening
[04:20] <thread> trah: no
[04:20] <thread> trah: openssh-server I think...
[04:20] <trah> how can i start it?
[04:20] <goldfish> trah: u need to apt-get it
[04:20] <trah> :)
[04:20] <thread> trah: it should start automatically... but yea (you need to install it)
[04:21] <trah> alright
[04:21] <trah> thanks, more help than i have gotten anywhere else.
[04:21] <trah> thanks
[04:22] <thread> anybody? please? ... setting up apache/php in ubuntu?
[04:23] <snoop_> hyphenated: i have a home network with wpa pre shared key with AES, anyway to get that working?
[04:23] <ficusplanet> thread, Install apache2 and the php4 mod for it.
[04:23] <dcraven> thread: apache2? I thought it worked out of the box with php.
[04:23] <trah> thanks alot :)!
[04:23] <thread> we've done that
[04:24] <makaveli> i have a problem i am trying to mount my windows partition and i keep on getting the error /dev/hdc already mounted or /hom/jr/windows busy
[04:24] <makaveli> i can't figure it out
[04:24] <ficusplanet> thread, Then edit the config files in /etc/apache2 to your liking.
[04:24] <Nalioth> trah, we are all full of it
[04:24] <Nalioth> trah help, that is
[04:24] <foxiness> makaveli, i think this for cdrom "hdc"
[04:24] <makaveli> no
[04:24] <ficusplanet> thread, The default DocumentRoot is /var/www
[04:24] <Nalioth> hate it when they get help and run
[04:25] <makaveli> a seperater partition on my hardrive
[04:25] <thread> ficusplanet: we have our php files in /var/www... we've installed apache2 and apache2-mod-php4
[04:25] <foxiness> makaveli, k umount than mount again
[04:25] <makaveli> tried that it says that it is not mounted
[04:25] <ficusplanet> thread, If you go to http://localhost/ what do you get?
[04:25] <makaveli> i entered into fstab to try to mount it
[04:26] <makaveli> and it says that it is not mounted when i do umount
[04:26] <thread> ficusplanet: the temp page
[04:26] <thoreauputic> makaveli: /dev/hdc *can't* be a partition - a partition has a number
[04:26] <thoreauputic> makaveli: like /dev/hdc2 or whatever
[04:26] <makaveli> it is the first partition on the drive
[04:26] <makaveli> /dev/hdc2 is my linux
[04:26] <thread> ficusplanet: any .php we try and access, though, just wants to save the php file
[04:26] <thoreauputic> then it is /dev/hdc1
[04:26] <foxiness> makaveli, than its 1
[04:26] <makaveli> ok that's the problem than
[04:26] <dcraven> thread: any output from "ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ | grep php"?
[04:27] <makaveli> also do u know any thing about bachs
[04:27] <makaveli> ?
[04:27] <makaveli> i'm trying to get that working so that i can use some of my windows programs
[04:27] <thoreauputic> makaveli: you mean "bochs" ?
[04:27] <dcraven> thread: I'm thinking that might be significant, but I'm not sure. I don't remember having to configure anything.
[04:27] <snoop_> Nalioth: a bit of help? i am trying to set up a wireless connection, but it wont work for some reason..
[04:27] <makaveli> yes
[04:27] <foxiness> makaveli, i think u mean somthing like vmware like qemu
[04:27] <ficusplanet> thread, I didn't have to configure anything either.
[04:27] <makaveli> yea
[04:27] <thread> dcraven: php4.conf and php4.load exist in that directory
[04:28] <makaveli> that's what bochs is
[04:28] <dcraven> thread: and did you do a "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" after you installed the php mod?
[04:28] <thread> yep.. we've restarted apache (even rebooted)
[04:28] <thoreauputic> makaveli: if it's simple programs, wine might do it for you
[04:28] <dcraven> thread: be certain you are starting *apache2*, not apache.
[04:29] <foxiness> makaveli, than try qemu its basd on bochs and its easy of use
[04:29] <makaveli> i couldn't figure out that either
[04:29] <makaveli> ok will try that
[04:29] <makaveli> the only thing is...
[04:29] <dcraven> thread: there are scripts to start both in /etc/init.d/...
[04:29] <allyn> anyone using dvdrip?
[04:29] <makaveli> that on their website they themselves weren't to sure if it would work with xp
[04:29] <makaveli> they have a question mark next to it
[04:29] <Nalioth> snoop_, i'm not much good with encrytption or x86 based stuff. all my eqpt was made by Apple
[04:29] <makaveli> so that's why i tried bochs
[04:30] <thoreauputic> makaveli: what programs do you want to run?
[04:30] <foxiness> makaveli, did u mean qemu ?
[04:30] <makaveli> yea qemu has a question mark next to xp
[04:30] <thread> dcraven: good call... we are in fact running apache2, not apache
[04:30] <makaveli> i want to run trillian mostly
[04:30] <snoop_> Nalioth: on a ppc? hows that working?
[04:30] <thread> dcraven: everything looks great!
[04:30] <thread> any other thoughts?
[04:30] <makaveli> i don't like the other chat clients and trillian i really like
[04:30] <thoreauputic> makaveli: I assume you've tried gaim ?
[04:31] <foxiness> makaveli, did u tried crossoffice ?
[04:31] <makaveli> yea
[04:31] <thoreauputic> makaveli: there are several chat clients for linux
[04:31] <makaveli> tried both of them
[04:31] <K_Dallas> makaveli: crossover installs trillian but why not gaim?
[04:31] <nmorse> hey b2s, I heard you might be able to help with an eMachines laptop sound issue?
[04:31] <ficusplanet> K_Dallas, Because gaim is installed by default with ubuntu.  It is a Linux app.
[04:31] <makaveli> what is crossover?
[04:31] <K_Dallas> gaim is free and constantly in developement
[04:32] <makaveli> i don't really like gaim that much
[04:32] <K_Dallas> gaim runs under windows too
[04:32] <Burgundavia> makaveli, a commercial wine product
[04:32] <Burgundavia> makaveli, made by the people who sponsor wine development
[04:32] <makaveli> ok
[04:32] <snoop_> anybody good with wireless? i could use some help
[04:32] <makaveli> so i will try to use crossover because i couldn't get wine to work
[04:32] <K_Dallas> but then you have to pay for trillian and crossover
[04:32] <ficusplanet> K_Dallas, Why would you run Gaim in wine, though?  It is installed in Ubuntu by default.
[04:32] <foxiness> makaveli, did u need somthing like msn ?
[04:32] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[04:32] <K_Dallas> ficusplanet, did i say that?
[04:32] <foxiness> FX|Laptop, hi
[04:32] <danko123456> yo
[04:33] <snoop_> sup
[04:33] <makaveli> not really i just like trillians layout and the options that trillian has
[04:33] <FX|Laptop> Could someone give me a hand with vnc?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> ficusplanet: I think you are missing the point
[04:33] <FX|Laptop> it works fine except for my keyboard which I think I chosed the wrong setting when I first logged in.
[04:33] <ficusplanet> K_Dallas, Ah, my fault.  Got into that conversation a little too late.
[04:33] <K_Dallas> :) no problem
[04:33] <FX|Laptop> I chosed the gnome setting instead of the x setting and now the keys don't work right.
[04:34] <nmorse> I guess b2s probably won't respond as he's been idle for over 2 days
[04:34] <Nalioth> snoop_, mostly it works great
[04:34] <FX|Laptop> Ohms!!!!!!!
[04:35] <foxiness> FX|Laptop, 101 , 104 try somthing else a
[04:35] <FX|Laptop> I have tried that.
[04:35] <snoop_> Nalioth, cool...
[04:36] <lmh> hi, have a problem with the refresh rate of a monitor. have two monitors with radeon9500 card, right monitor has vertical 75Hz instead of 60 Hz and horizontally 93 instead of 75
[04:36] <foxiness> FX|Laptop, if im not wrong gnome use x setting /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[04:36] <lmh> anybody an idea`?
[04:36] <danko123456> nmorse, what is the matter with your sound card?
[04:36] <nmorse> anyone here know how to get an ali m5475 card working?
[04:36] <FX|Laptop> What I thought also, but wouldn't know what to change in there.
[04:36] <nmorse> The modules are loaded, just no sound
[04:36] <nmorse> Not in Gnome, not in KDE, nowhere
[04:37] <Nalioth> snoop_, there are some things that don't work well (or at all), but mostly its all good
[04:37] <allyn> lmh is it a dual monitor setup?
[04:37] <lmh> allyn: yes
[04:37] <lmh> allyn: but without xinerama
[04:37] <allyn> have you looked at xorg.conf?
[04:37] <snoop_> Nalioth, what sort of things dont work?
[04:38] <lmh> allyn: yes, had trouble to get it working, now works, but with the prob
[04:38] <danko123456> nmorse, do you know of the alsamixer program?
[04:38] <allyn> i know how to erit refresh on signle monitor system, not sure how different dual monitors is
[04:38] <allyn> oh ok
[04:38] <sauli> why I get this when I try to login as root "root logins are not allowed"
[04:38] <lmh> allyn: ok, can i send you my con?
[04:38] <lmh> conf
[04:38] <Nalioth> snoop_, i have not gotten java to work (am not interested in doing flips and somersaults to achieve java installation)
[04:38] <nmorse> yes, I know about alsamixer and alsamixergui and kmix and ...
[04:38] <allyn> lmf can you do it in pastebin?
[04:39] <lmh> ?
[04:39] <Nalioth> snoop_, swf_play takes over my system (i have to kill -9 the multiple instances)
[04:39] <lmh> whats pastebin?
[04:39] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com
[04:39] <JanC> sauli : use sudo
[04:39] <snoop_> Nalioth, swf, that sucks...lots of sites have swf embedded
[04:39] <danko123456> nmorse: did you try unmuting stuff, and muting other stuff in there?
[04:39] <danko123456> and changing levels, and that?
[04:39] <Nalioth> snoop_, there are soem things that are not as dev'd for the PPC as there are for the x86
[04:39] <nmorse> Yeah
[04:40] <snoop_> Nalioth, yeah, its new, but i'll get better...
[04:40] <allyn> lmh where does xchat save downloads, do you know?
[04:40] <danko123456> nmorse: in a little bit, *crimsun* should be here, and he is the resident sound specialist:), so he may know
[04:40] <lmh> desktop?
[04:40] <lmh> don't know
[04:40] <snoop_> Nalioth, *it will
[04:40] <Dethread> allyn, probably in ~/.xchat
[04:40] <allyn> yeah desktop i found it :-)
[04:40] <snoop_> anyone,  a bit of help with wireless?
[04:41] <sauli> how to use sudo
[04:41] <danko123456> sudo command
[04:41] <JanC> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:41] <thoreauputic> allyn: actually  ~/.xchat2
[04:41] <snoop_> i set up ndiswrapper and entered in the password (WPA), but it doesnt work..
[04:42] <Nalioth> snoop_, had to build from source several components of my sound (libfaac, libfaad <<whatever they are called, etc)
[04:42] <JanC> sauli : there is also an explanation why sudo is better on the wiki page
[04:42] <allyn> lmh are the monitors identical?
[04:42] <benplaut> anyone gotten GmailFS to work with ubuntu?
[04:42] <Dethread> snoop_, where did you enter the password?
[04:43] <snoop_> Dethread, in the networking GUI thing..
[04:43] <lmh> allyn: yes, two HP L2035 LCDs, but for one i used the DVI - in, with the other one the VGA - in
[04:43] <Dethread> snoop_, I had a similar problem ... I think it expects the password in hex
[04:43] <snoop_> Dethread, ah..i have it in text..
[04:43] <sauli> that not help me
[04:43] <Dethread> snoop_, I only got it working by enterying it from console via iwconfig
[04:43] <Dethread> snoop_, there you can specify that it's in text
[04:43] <danko123456> sauli: what not help you?
[04:44] <Dethread> snoop_, man iwconfig  <- that'll help
[04:44] <danko123456> sudo command  or..... (21:41:22) JanC: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:44] <snoop_> Dethread, can you help me through that? i'm new to linux..
[04:44] <Dethread> snoop_, I can try
[04:44] <snoop_> Dethread, thanks
[04:44] <Dethread> private message me and we'll see
[04:44] <sauli> I just want loggin in my gnome or kde desktop as root uset
[04:44] <JanC> sauli : why not ?
[04:44] <danko123456> sauli, taht can be enabled,. if you really want to.
[04:44] <JanC> sauli : you don't want that
[04:45] <danko123456> sauli, consult http://ubuntuguide.org/#allowrootlogingnome
[04:45] <danko123456> but, as JanC said, you dont really want that, read the wiki.
[04:45] <thoreauputic> sauli: running a desktop as root is a *really* bad idea
[04:45] <sauli> sudo works well in console but how I can loggin my desktop as root
[04:45] <paulproteus> sauli: It's "strongly advised against".
[04:45] <thoreauputic> don't
[04:45] <JanC> why do you want that ?
[04:45] <paulproteus> sauli: If you want to, you can:
[04:45] <paulproteus> sudo passwd root
[04:45] <danko123456> sauli, danko123456 gave you a link to the wlkthrough.
[04:45] <paulproteus> And then edit the gdm config file.
[04:46] <paulproteus> (Right; I'll stop talking, then. :)
[04:46] <danko123456> or that too:-p
[04:46] <allyn> lmh ok i was just noticing that your config in xorg.conf the 2 monitors have different settings for refresh rates
[04:46] <allyn> does either of thm work the way you want it?
[04:46] <lmh> allyn thats because the vga-in has different values to the dvi -in
[04:46] <snoop_> Dethread,  can you join #snoop ?
[04:47] <nmorse> so no one in here has an ali m5475 soundcard in a laptop that doesn't seem to work in Ubuntu?
[04:47] <allyn> oh, them im not sure then, srry havent done dvi only analog
[04:47] <makaveli> real quick question how do i install a compiler because i am getting the error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH when i run ./configure
[04:47] <danko123456> nmorse: I know I do not.
[04:47] <danko123456> crimsun knows sound cards...
[04:47] <allyn> apt-get install gcc
[04:47] <danko123456> he may be here in a little bit.
[04:48] <makaveli> thank you
[04:48] <nmorse> I'll see if I can track him down in ubuntu-motu
[04:49] <thoreauputic> allyn, you should have told hime to install build-esential - gcc by itself isn't enough
[04:49] <dip> when choosing SD memory, what would you guys consider a more reliable brand, kingston or viking ?
[04:49] <poopinaboot> neither
[04:49] <danko123456> viking, for sure...
[04:49] <danko123456> :)
[04:49] <poopinaboot> they all suck
[04:49] <poopinaboot> everything is so bleak
[04:49] <poopinaboot> soemoen kill me
[04:49] <danko123456> ahaha
[04:49] <danko123456> wtf...:)
[04:50] <allyn> oops didnt think about build-essential
[04:50] <Levande1> Anybody know a good IRC channel anywhere that does Windows support?
[04:50] <JanC> Levande1 : not here  :)
[04:50] <Levande1> damn
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Levande1: you won't find one on Freenode :)
[04:51] <Levande1> well can i at least get a  recommendation for another channel then?
[04:51] <Levande1> how about another server?
[04:51] <dip> I found the best deal with those 2 brands for same price but tough time deciding between the 2 brands
[04:51] <foxiness> Levande1, you are on freenode :)
[04:51] <Levande1> i know, but it's fairly easy to connect to another server
[04:51] <poopinaboot> Levande1: google it
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Levande1: is there such a thing as a windows IRC help channel? I've never found one...
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> Levande1, what do you need about windows? lol
[04:51] <poopinaboot> Levande1: we're all geeks in here
[04:51] <Levande1> poopinaboot: gee, thanks for you help poopinaboot, not like i haven't tried that
[04:51] <danko123456> like what support for windows, now?
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> weve all used windows here before prolly...
[04:52] <poopinaboot> Levande1: I do what i can
[04:52] <poopinaboot> strange that my nick is poop though
[04:52] <_nate> there
[04:52] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[04:52] <danko123456> nate dude:)
[04:52] <_nate> sup danko123456
[04:52] <_nate> poopinaboot is my name on wolfenstein
[04:52] <danko123456> hey, uh, Levande1, what is the thing you are trying to get help with?
[04:53] <danko123456> there are sites on the web with walkthroughs...
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> rtcw:ET _nate?
[04:53] <foxiness> why pepole need xp irc channel 4 ?
[04:53] <IFR_> tritium, if you're still here I have one other question about that linux-686 kernel ?
[04:53] <_nate> ^thehatsrule^: none other
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> nice!
[04:53] <Levande1> poopinaboot: okay, i've set xp up just to auto-update my computer whenever an update comes out, so I don't have to remember to do it, etc.  However, apparently, in between downloading the update, and installing, the computer nags me that it's already downloaded an update. Do I want to go ahead and install it before it's auto-installed?  How do I get rid of that nag?
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> come to my chan ;p
[04:53] <danko123456> Levande1: and support.micorsoft.com has a lot of information on Windows, as it would...
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> Levande1: this is #ubuntu last time I checked
[04:54] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[04:54] <Levande1> have no idea why you guys just didn't ignore me if yall didn't want windows chatter, and didn't know the answer to my question anyway?
[04:54] <_nate> Levande1: microsoft ties your hands, good luck finding a resolution
[04:54] <danko123456> Levande1: well, I did not cause I was wondering what can go wrong on windows, personally.
[04:54] <anemiat1> when i start installing kubuntu, will it ask autoatically to se free space? I do not wissh to delete my windows yet?
[04:54] <Levande1> but don't worry about, thanks anyways guys, i'll prolly post something on the arstechnica boards
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Levande1: that sounds like a plan :)
[04:55] <foxiness> Levande1, just reboot
[04:55] <Levande1> anemiat1: do you have free space on your hard drive that isn't partitioned?
[04:55] <anemiat1> yes
[04:55] <danko123456> haha, awesome, foxiness
[04:55] <Levande1> foxiness: that's part of the nagging i want to avoid
[04:55] <jony> hi
[04:55] <danko123456> anemiat1: it will default to erase everything, choose not to.
[04:56] <IFR_> Hmm. OKay, does anyone know if the linux-686 package  it a patch in the sense that it will pick up options I had in the -386, such as radio and encryption options?
[04:56] <jony> how can i make something like chkdsk ????
[04:56] <anemiat1> how do I do that?
[04:56] <anemiat1> press F1?
[04:56] <anemiat1> ??
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> IFR_: if you were just loading modules, yes
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Levande1: when a system is as opaque as windows, these things can be pretty hard to fix
[04:56] <Levande1> anemiat1: make sure you do "manual partitioning" during the ubuntu install.  It will let you tell it to use the unpartitioned space on your hard disk.
[04:56] <foxiness> Levande1, u will do that soon im sure :)
[04:56] <danko123456> it will be one of teh 2 ptions during install.
[04:56] <Levande1> thoreauputic: this is #ubuntu, not #xp, you are off-topic, please take your windows chatter elsewhere please
[04:56] <danko123456> ahha
[04:57] <danko123456> awesome.
[04:57] <foxiness> Levande1, than do not wast ur time do it now
[04:57] <IFR_> Sorry HrdwrBoB I don't quite understand. danko123456 was that for ifr?
[04:57] <danko123456> Every night now...
[04:57] <jony> i want to check a hard disk for errors how can i do this?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Levande1: I hope that was intended as a joke ;)
[04:57] <danko123456> nope IFR_, for the guy with the inhstallation issue.
[04:57] <thread> anybody know why a fresh apache2/php4 install would cause the server to try and send down the php file rather than it's postprocessed output?
[04:57] <IFR_> Sorry HrdwrBoB I don't quite understand. I was hpoing to basically upgrade from 2.10.5-386 to *686
[04:57] <anemiat1> I am confused? Will it give me an option to use unpartitioned (free) space?
[04:57] <danko123456> anemiat1: yes.
[04:57] <Levande1> thoreauputic: no, i was trying to get everybody angry in this room at me so i'd get banned?
[04:57] <anemiat1> ok thanks
[04:57] <HrdwrBoB> IFR_: yes, it will work exactly the same
[04:57] <anemiat1> I am going for it
[04:57] <anemiat1> bye
[04:57] <Levande1> maybe my humor's jus off a little today, sorry
[04:58] <danko123456> anemiat1: it will ask do you want to erase everything, you wil say no, and choose where to install.
[04:58] <anemiat1> I see
[04:58] <IFR_> Great, so I needn't specify all the wep and radiop stuff which presently works HrdwrBoB?
[04:58] <anemiat1> and does it install grub or lilo?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Levande1: you'd be surprised how many people do exactly that...
[04:58] <JanC> anemiat1 : grub
[04:58] <anemiat1> ok thanks
[04:58] <HrdwrBoB> IFR_: correct
[04:58] <IFR_> Thank you so much
[04:58] <Levande1> anemiat1: not an easy menu option, but you can go into "manual parititioning" and follow fdisk (or whatever it uses) to use the unpartitioned space on your disk
[04:58] <JanC> with an entry for you windows installation
[04:58] <danko123456> your windows boot may be borked, but if it is on the same drive, there are ways to get grub to boot windows once you are insatllesd, and likely it will create that option by itself during install.
[04:59] <foxiness> Levande1, this banned its just for fun
[04:59] <Levande1> anemiat1: it will give you options to install grub or lilo during the ubuntu install
[04:59] <Levande1> thoreauputic: yeah, i know, sorry, shouldn't have made that joke
[05:00] <danko123456> Levande1: your xp...reinstall?, I dont know, I never fix anything in windows when it is broken...
[05:00] <IFR_> Anyone know if there's an ubuntu package for wifi-radar?
[05:00] <Levande1> danko123456: you are now off-topic!
[05:00] <danko123456> IFR_: I know, yes.
[05:00] <danko123456> :))
[05:00] <IFR_> Ah. Can you tell me?
[05:00] <Levande1> IFR_: you apt-cache searched?
[05:00] <IFR_> Yes.
[05:00] <danko123456> IFR_: guy named ivoks that comes here maintains it..
[05:00] <karljp> one more try: anyone got ac3 audio in totem to work?
[05:00] <eob84> I was wondering what I need to set audiosrc to, to get Rythmbox to work in KDE
[05:00] <danko123456> IFR_: or rather, it is not included yet.
[05:00] <danko123456> ioll grab you the deb.
[05:01] <Levande1> IFR_: there's also packages.ubuntu.com you could do a fuller search with (i think it does a fuller search)
[05:01] <danko123456> IFR_: http://master.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/
[05:01] <IFR_> Thanks Levande, I'll have a look! danko123456, that's great - how can I get it from you?
[05:01] <IFR_> Ah!
[05:02] <danko123456> that guy ivoks maintains it, it is likely to get included in ubuntu
[05:02] <danko123456> Ill get you links for the wiki about it.
[05:02] <foxiness> time to go to "ZzzZZzz" c l8r "glad to not to see XP on my dream tonight"
[05:02] <IFR_> Thanks so much for that danko123456!
[05:02] <jony> WHATS THE CHKDSK EQUIVALENT COMMAND??
[05:02] <danko123456> IFR_: at the end of the new packages list, under Ante Kramaric: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages .
[05:02] <jony> plz
[05:02] <danko123456> jony: whts chkdsk?
[05:03] <danko123456> hehe
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> jony: fdisk
[05:03] <danko123456> tht trnd out fnny
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> for all the good it'll do you
[05:03] <thoreauputic> jony: take the gum out from behind your capslock key ...
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> jony: what is your problem
[05:03] <foxiness> HrdwrBoB, do not do that
[05:03] <danko123456> ppl hate asking twice...
[05:03] <bob2> jony: fsck, and a) don't repeat, b) don't use caps
[05:03] <HrdwrBoB> foxiness: do not do what, tell people what they asked for?
[05:03] <danko123456> jony: whats chkdsk?
[05:04] <jony> i need something like scandisk and sorry for the caps but it seems the only way to get atention
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> jony: why
[05:04] <karljp> man, i've asked 4 or 5 times, and got neither yelled at or an answer
[05:04] <foxiness> HrdwrBoB, k but not all pepole clever
[05:04] <nmorse> maybe someone can help me with the specific error message from /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:04] <karljp> I guess I've been asking the wrong question
[05:04] <bob2> jony: no, it's the way to get ignored.  do not do it again.
[05:04] <danko123456> jony: try reading up on fsck, seems like a real too,
[05:04] <jony> ok i wont
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> foxiness: no, but just knowing the command will do him no good
[05:05] <danko123456> tool
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> karljp: what is your problem?
[05:05] <nmorse> "/etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1221: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing'"
[05:05] <karljp> heres 6: anyone got ac3 in totem working?
[05:05] <karljp> it works in xine, but no audio in totem for dvds.
[05:05] <danko123456> jony: man fsck
[05:05] <bob2> karljp: probably if you install totem-xine
[05:05] <karljp> I thought totem used all the gstreamer stuff?
[05:05] <jony> ok i'll research
[05:05] <nmorse> anyone know what that means?
[05:05] <danko123456> do that.
[05:06] <danko123456> did yuo sudo that nmorse?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> karljp: totem is a front end - you can use totem-gstreamer or totem-xine
[05:06] <eob84> does anyone one know why I get this error from rhythmbox "Could not open resource for writing."
[05:06] <sauli> how I can remove all users password I dont neet so much security
[05:06] <karljp> yeah, just saw that from my apt-cache search
[05:06] <danko123456> nmorse: sudo
[05:07] <thoreauputic> sauli: we don't wnt to encourage your ideas, sorry
[05:07] <karljp> I thought gstreamer was "the way"
[05:07] <karljp> is there a gstreamer way to get ac3 working?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> sauli: the default security is there for excellent reasons
[05:07] <karljp> timtowdi, that sort of thing?
[05:07] <danko123456> jony: better question would have been to ask hw to do what you are trying to achieve, maybe...
[05:07] <danko123456> more specific.
[05:07] <lmh> whats the difference between xfree86 and xorg? what does ubuntu take as a standrad?
[05:08] <bob2> karljp: I really doubt gstreamer supports patented codecs
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lmh: 1) not much 2) xorg
[05:08] <danko123456> sauli: ?
[05:08] <danko123456> hehe
[05:08] <bob2> lmh: xfree86 is where X development used to happen.  then they went crazy and changed the licese, so now everyone works on x.org.
[05:08] <bob2> lmh: hoary uses x.org by default
[05:08] <lmh> thanks
[05:08] <thoreauputic> lmh: xfree is pretty much dead
[05:08] <karljp> there's gstreamer-ffmeg, gstreamer-mpeg2dec and co
[05:08] <karljp> I think it does :)
[05:09] <bob2> karljp: not in ubuntu
[05:09] <danko123456> whats ac3, anyhow?
[05:09] <jony> when i use fsck should the device be unmounted?
[05:09] <danko123456> ill google/
[05:09] <bob2> jony: yes
[05:09] <karljp> the format dvd audio normally is in
[05:09] <thoreauputic> jony: yes
[05:09] <jony> thanx
[05:09] <karljp> bob2: correct, but is dvd playing even in ubuntu?
[05:10] <bob2> karljp: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:10] <bob2> karljp: (no)
[05:10] <karljp> didn't think so
[05:10] <bob2> yay for stupid laws
[05:10] <karljp> and no, the restricted format page doesn't say how to make it work in totem
[05:10] <bob2> indeed
[05:10] <karljp> but when I work it out, I'll be updating it :)
[05:10] <bob2> so use totem-xine or something else
[05:11] <karljp> can you give me a one or two sentence summary on the roadmap of xine vs gstreamer?
[05:11] <karljp> I only want to use totem because it's all built in nicely
[05:11] <karljp> and xine and mplayer and vlc aren't
[05:11] <bob2> gstreamer is the way of the future, but laws suck oh so much
[05:11] <daniels> karljp: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/VideoPlaybackRoadmap
[05:11] <daniels> that's not even really even a sentence
[05:11] <karljp> it will do ;)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> karljp: totem-xine looks exactly like totem-gstreamer
[05:12] <karljp> but it's based on xine, not gstreamer.
[05:12] <karljp> and isn't gstreamer, "the way for the future"
[05:12] <danko123456> of...
[05:12] <karljp> they both fit :)
[05:12] <thoreauputic> karljp: it depends on whether you want stuff that works, or want to contribute to the "way of the future" i guess
[05:13] <karljp> I'd like both if possible
[05:13] <karljp> if I wanted stuff that works, I'd still be on windows ;)
[05:13] <danko123456> nope, the future dont work...
[05:13] <karljp> ooh look at the pretty moon
[05:13] <jony> ok wahts the easy way to make a standard chack with fsck ????
[05:13] <karljp> it actually was quite pretty tonight
[05:13] <allyn> spkeaking of totem-gstreamer when i try to install it it wants to remove dvdrip and libvorbis0, anyone know a workaround? rhythm box does the same
[05:13] <jony> i have an external usb device which is giving me hell!
[05:14] <_nate> totem-xine works
[05:14] <danko123456> jony: give it hell right back.
[05:14] <karljp> fsck or chkdsk aren't going to help then jony
[05:14] <_nate> thats what i like about it
[05:14] <danko123456> i like the shiny movies it plays.
[05:14] <danko123456> :-p
[05:14] <jony> karljp, what should i do then???
[05:14] <danko123456> whAT IS the device?
[05:14] <karljp> smash it with a hammer for all I care
[05:15] <danko123456> a key?
[05:15] <karljp> you need to explain your actual problems,
[05:15] <karljp> perhaps let us suggest solutions
[05:15] <sauli> I have not any secret in my computer
[05:15] <danko123456> ive been telling him.
[05:15] <danko123456> sauli, I love you, dude.
[05:16] <danko123456> me neither, but passwords are required, do you wnt a user to automatically sign in when you boot?
[05:16] <jony> karljp, what do you suggest!!
[05:16] <karljp> how would I know, you've not told us what's actually going on.
[05:16] <karljp> "giving me hell" isn't very descriptive
[05:16] <thoreauputic> sauli: would you like someone to take over your computer and use it for spreading evilness? Please don't allow that, it affects everyone
[05:16] <danko123456> jony: what is the device?
[05:16] <sauli> I dont want never use password
[05:16] <danko123456> I dont think you can turn off all passwords.
[05:17] <danko123456> I can tell you hwo to do it in PM.
[05:17] <sauli> I think linux developers have skitsofrenia
[05:17] <danko123456> hehem, there are real threats...
[05:17] <danko123456> and these systems are used for business as well.
[05:17] <thoreauputic> sauli: I think you have much yo learn
[05:17] <thoreauputic> *to
[05:17] <danko123456> yo...
[05:17] <danko123456> :)
[05:18] <thoreauputic> mr_roboto: exactly
[05:18] <nmorse> I think Sauli needs to learn to spell schizophrenia
[05:18] <jony> danko123456, its a usb harddisk. mp3 player by archos
[05:19] <thoreauputic> sauli: an insecure computer doesn't just affect you, it potentially affects others on the Net
[05:19] <danko123456> jony: ok, so you plugged it in, and nothing?
[05:19] <mr_roboto> sauli's computer = just another spambot
[05:20] <darkaudit> sauli: i'm gonna be blunt... there are *many* people waiting to turn your computer against you and the rest of the world if you actually attempt what you're suggesting. It's naive at best, and recklessly stupid at worst. Don't freakin' do it
[05:20] <sauli> yeah now I know passwd -d root
[05:20] <danko123456> darkaudit: man, all you guys worry too much.
[05:20] <danko123456> back up your data finally...
[05:20] <danko123456> anyhow...we cant argue sudo, and taht.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> danko123456: no, we all see what has happened to the net when peole use an insecure OS
[05:21] <danko123456> If I even want to turn my computer into a spambot, my decision.
[05:21] <thoreauputic> danko123456: guess which one?
[05:21] <karljp> right on danko
[05:21] <darkaudit> danko123456: Verizon blocked *Europe* from sending email to it's customers. You better believe I'm gonna worry
[05:21] <danko123456> well, not that I am gonna fo it...or anything.
[05:21] <karljp> and I only stopped because I quit work
[05:21] <danko123456> well, email can be done differently then through an ISP...
[05:22] <danko123456> I never ever used an ISP email address.
[05:22] <danko123456> but, let us not play devils advocate.
[05:22] <mr_roboto> lol    yeah, he uses someone else's open relay
[05:22] <danko123456> sauli: I wrote you an essay in private, so...
[05:22] <mr_roboto> prolly sauli's!
[05:23] <danko123456> mr_roboto: I use gmail, or mailx, if I really need to send an email.
[05:23] <danko123456> darkaudit: do you have an article I could read about that?
[05:23] <sauli> but still I dont can login in kde or gnome as root
[05:23] <karljp> verizon suckz0rs anyway
[05:23] <karljp> this is why RBLs are bad mkay
[05:23] <anethema> anyone here know how to make an iso of a dvd ive got in the drive? dvd playback is really jerky for some reason and i dont know how to fix itg
[05:23] <danko123456> sauli, talk to me in private, they dont wanna tell you anyhow.
[05:23] <thoreauputic> sauli: you've been told
[05:23] <karljp> collateral damage is NOT allowed
[05:23] <sauli> why that is so difficult
[05:23] <danko123456> anethema: how an iso out of a dvd?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> danko123456: don't encourage him. please
[05:24] <karljp> sauli: ignore them.  if you want to run your machine as root, with x, you should be allowed to
[05:24] <danko123456> I use su, thore, is that so bad, am I bad now?
[05:24] <sauli> before I have fedora and not this problem
[05:24] <anethema> yes i just want to make a iso then mount it
[05:24] <karljp> you don't seem them crucifying people running people running windows as admin
[05:24] <nmorse> passwd root is your friend
[05:24] <anethema> so i can play from the hard drive and it wont be jerky
[05:24] <danko123456> I mean, if this is the right way, everyone will do it eventually anyhow, just as with gstreamer.
[05:24] <JanC> darkaudit : most spam comes from the US, so that would be stupid from Verizon...
[05:24] <thoreauputic> karljp: of course he has that freedom: but it's irresponsible use of freedom
[05:24] <darkaudit> http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,66226,00.html
[05:24] <danko123456> thanks
[05:24] <karljp> who are you to decide freedom thoreau?
[05:25] <sauli> how to allowed root use x
[05:25] <sauli> kde or gnome
[05:25] <karljp> it's freedom remember?
[05:25] <darkaudit> JanC: you're tellin' me... ppl on the Verizon USENET boards are *pissed*
[05:25] <stormy73034> u can log in to gnome via root in ubuntu
[05:25] <JanC> you talking about usenet spam ?
[05:25] <darkaudit> and there's not one story about this... there are *hundreds*
[05:25] <mr_roboto> karljp: when your irresponsible use of your freedoms results in 50% of all mail being spam, and DoS attacks being more and more common, well... it's not just YOU any more
[05:26] <thoreauputic> karljp: I don't decide it: but I am entitled to judge, just as you are. The idea that one should refrain from using judgment is equally absurd
[05:26] <karljp> 50% of all mail being spam comes from spammers
[05:26] <allyn> anethema how fast is our computer?
[05:26] <karljp> not from someone wanting to not type passwords all day
[05:26] <karljp> please don't confuse the two
[05:26] <darkaudit> JanC: no... Verizon customers on USENET griping about the email blocking
[05:26] <danko123456> darkaudit: wtf, januar 2005,,,still????
[05:26] <darkaudit> still
[05:26] <anethema> 3200
[05:26] <anethema> 3200+ amd
[05:26] <anethema> athlon xp
[05:27] <JanC> there are some ISPs that are not responsible about spamming
[05:27] <allyn> ok, i encoded a dvd today using dvdrip on my XP2600
[05:27] <JanC> just block them
[05:27] <thoreauputic> karljp: you seem blissfully unaware of hoe spammers use people's insecure computers to do their work
[05:27] <allyn> took a few hours but the dvd went down to 700mb
[05:27] <karljp> janc: I respecfully disagree
[05:27] <tritium> anethema \n how \n are \n you \n doing \n today \n ?
[05:27] <karljp> but a lot of people believe that the collateral damage approach of RBL stuff is ok
[05:27] <IcemanV9> anethema: hdparm will fix it; http://ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom
[05:27] <mr_roboto> karljp: also, the script kiddies love to find yet another computer to add to their zombie list
[05:27] <JanC> it would be stupid to block every country that has 1 spammer
[05:27] <anethema> haha yes..ill try that IcemanV9
[05:28] <danko123456> darkaudit: no...:/
[05:28] <brad_> Anyone else here using a prosavage card and get it workin in anything higher than 1024x768?
[05:28] <JanC> because you would have to block every IP-address then
[05:28] <karljp> thoreau + roboto: you've both just admitted the problem is with other people, not people not wanting passwords on their machine
[05:28] <karljp> you do at least admit that you can be running a machine behind a nat?
[05:28] <danko123456> Well, maybe it is an attack on the verizon servers...or something, it is only a one company, and I have heard of theories that internet can only take so much spyware, and spam and that.
[05:28] <thoreauputic> karljp: why give those people easy access to machines that aren't theirs?
[05:29] <mr_roboto> karljp: of course it's other people... but you're just a freaking idiot to leave your door unlocked if you live in a bad part of town
[05:29] <bitsmash> hello
[05:29] <karljp> I could have no passwords on this machine at all, and it wouldn't matter unless you got through the other machines in front of it
[05:29] <mr_roboto> the internet is a bad part of town :)
[05:29] <bitsmash> i downloaded 5.04 before it was release
[05:29] <bitsmash> released
[05:29] <karljp> then you didn't get 5.04
[05:29] <karljp> get it again
[05:29] <darkaudit> danko123456: no... it's stated policy from Verizon... as far as Europe is concerned, they've gone to a whitelist. You have to request a domain be unblocked... everything else is SOL
[05:29] <bitsmash> ok thanks ill take your word for it
[05:30] <karljp> thoreau, not having passwords != easy access to your machine from other people
[05:30] <thoreauputic> karljp: rubbish - he just needs to dist-upgrade
[05:30] <karljp> depends what his problem is :)
[05:30] <bitsmash> thoreauputic: ok thanks ill take your word for it?
[05:30] <danko123456> darkaudit: I happen to know, and issues get sorted, I work for an ISP...
[05:30] <bitsmash> heh
[05:30] <karljp> do you want to install it from the cd and be done?
[05:30] <karljp> or do you just want to install something that will work?
[05:30] <karljp> whatyo uhave will probably work for the later
[05:30] <karljp> latter too.
[05:30] <thoreauputic> karljp: you are assuming a level of sophistication I doubt exists for such as sauli
[05:30] <karljp> perhaps :)
[05:31] <bitsmash> ill just get the 5.04
[05:31] <darkaudit> yoi... time for bed...
[05:31] <karljp> but I still defend his right to want to do it :)
[05:31] <danko123456> thoreauputic: you know what I hate...is ppl abusing stuff like that, I wish everyone was fair, and then wireless would be more available everywhere...
[05:31] <AndyFitz> hey does anyone know of a tool to do  multi-lined find and replace actions in plain text ?
[05:31] <karljp> I'm not a criminal, of course I'll register my dna an dfinger prints
[05:31] <karljp> it's called sed
[05:31] <karljp> or perl -ie
[05:32] <karljp> danko: where do you live?
[05:32] <mr_roboto> danko: but if you're intentionally insecure, you're an enabler for those who abuse the system... you make it worse overall
[05:32] <bitsmash> is this it? ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[05:32] <karljp> and the wireless where I live now is free for anyone else too.
[05:32] <IcemanV9> bitsmash: yep
[05:32] <karljp> the only reason I've seen people doing any form of wireless security is because they pay for bandwidth
[05:33] <danko123456> karljp: canada:)
[05:33] <bitsmash> is there a free winblows downloader thingy?
[05:33] <mr_roboto> karljp: well... another reason is you do NOT want to have isp logs of kiddie porn downloads through your access point from the pervs on the street :)
[05:33] <de_wizze> whats the diff between having the prerelease and upgrading the distro, and a fresh install with the final release
[05:34] <danko123456> AndyFitz: got that?
[05:34] <bitsmash> de_wizze: yes let me know
[05:34] <danko123456> AndyFitz: do you use gnome?
[05:35] <brad_> what does apt-get -t do?
[05:35] <AndyFitz> danko123456:  of course
[05:35] <danko123456> de_wizze: hopefully not much...
[05:35] <danko123456> AndyFitz: so, did you try gedit?
[05:35] <danko123456> it has a replace all function.
[05:36] <danko123456> mr_roboto: agreed.
[05:36] <JanC> brad : man apt-get
[05:36] <AndyFitz> danko123456,  normally I use gedit.  this time I need to do it to a batch of files
[05:37] <anethema> kick ass the dma thing worked
[05:37] <danko123456> there is a Unix command even.
[05:37] <brad_> thank you JanC
[05:37] <anethema> thanks IcemanV9
[05:39] <JanC> brad_ : 'man' shows you the manual of most programs
[05:39] <JanC> always try that if you need help with a program
[05:39] <karljp> bitsmash, shouldn't be any difference
[05:40] <stuNNed> is it common if a gtk2 program locks up it might come back to life after about 5 minutes?
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> I wish I could understand why Spatial is more efficient than Browser
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> or so some people think
[05:42] <NinjaYeti> I can't find any good wireless configuration utilities or scripts. The gnome network one doesn't work for me, and just times out.
[05:43] <NinjaYeti> any ideas?
[05:43] <danko123456> stuNNed: yup, I use those all the time, a good thing to make the time pass by is tetris...:)
[05:43] <danko123456> jj
[05:43] <thechitowncubs> ninja: what exactly are you trying to do
[05:43] <snoop_> anyone. can someone help me with a wireless card?
[05:44] <bitsmash> there must be a faq about having a prerelease
[05:44] <stuNNed> danko123456: lol
[05:45] <stuNNed> anyone use sylpheed?
[05:45] <NinjaYeti> well, i've got a couple of wireless cards that i know will work in linux... one of which i could never get into monitor mode
[05:45] <NinjaYeti> but just something to set up a connection would be nice for now
[05:45] <danko123456> snoop_: what make and modekl is it, and then give me exactly 25 minutes at least.
[05:45] <NinjaYeti> i'll figure out the kismet stuff later
[05:45] <kakalto> is the marillat repos working now?
[05:46] <danko123456> kakalto: did you try them?
[05:46] <snoop_> danko123456, its a linksys wireless g card  wmp54g
[05:46] <danko123456> k
[05:46] <kakalto> danko123456, not yet...
[05:47] <snoop_> danko123456, will you be around tommorow ? i really have to get going soon...
[05:47] <danko123456> what type of card is it snoop_?
[05:48] <snoop_> danko123456, type?
[05:48] <danko123456> I do not kno much about it, I am just wodering...pcmcia...
[05:48] <snoop_> danko123456, pci
[05:48] <bitsmash> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrading
[05:48] <danko123456> k, see ya soon.
[05:48] <snoop_> danko123456, desktop computer..
[05:48] <danko123456> k
[05:48] <lmh> hi all, have a radeon 9550 card (r3xx), configured with xinerama with radeon driver.
[05:48] <lmh> now i tried dri, but it does not work since the radeon driver doesn't support dri on that card.
[05:48] <lmh> somebody told me to ask you if the ati driver supports mergedFB
[05:48] <TwoBitSprite> yay, I just installed ubuntu :)
[05:49] <Dethread> danko123456, snoop's card it's actually detected and set up as wlan0 I believe...he just can't connect to his network
[05:49] <kakalto> what's a gui for transcode?
[05:49] <snoop_> Dethread, thanks
[05:49] <IcemanV9> bitsmash: get over it. either install prerelease and update OR d/l a release one and install. simple is that.
[05:50] <TwoBitSprite> unfortunately, I can't seem to connect to my windows shared drives... dmesg tells me: "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[05:50] <danko123456> Dethread: has all the right settings in tehrem dhcp and that? power cycled everything? modem, then router, then computer?
[05:51] <Dethread> danko123456, haven't powercycled the router, I believe the settings are correct too, first suspected his WEP key to be the problem but it was being used correctly and it still didn't work after turning it off in the router, thus using no key
[05:52] <Dethread> danko123456, MAC filtering is not being used either
[05:52] <danko123456> Dethread: you have to power cycle, at least...
[05:52] <TwoBitSprite> anyone have any idea why I can't mount smb drives?
[05:52] <danko123456> but, maybe has nothing to do with that...
[05:52] <Dethread> snoop_, hear that? :)
[05:52] <TwoBitSprite> dmesg tells me: "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[05:52] <danko123456> but power cyclking is a big thing, although it should not be too much for the wireless.
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, hmm?
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, powercycling?
[05:53] <Dethread> snoop_, turn router off and back on, i.e. pull the plug :)
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, ok
[05:53] <snoop_> Dethread, be right back..
[05:54] <Dethread> danko123456, in the network config tool, he doesn't see his network in the dropdown list either....even though it's broadcasting essid
[05:55] <snoop_> Dethread, ok
[05:55] <snoop_> danko123456, ok...done
[05:55] <amonkey> can i get ooo2 base from synaptic? i don't see it as a package
[05:56] <danko123456> snoop_: everything, down modem, then router, then dcomputer.
[05:56] <danko123456> turn on modem, wait a litlle, and the router, then comptuer.
[05:56] <ryman> my ubuntu keep freezing when I try to log out
[05:56] <danko123456> but, try that when you are about to leave, as you are now...
[05:56] <snoop_> danko123456, wow....what?
[05:56] <JDahl> amonkey, openoffice.org2, I believe
[05:57] <snoop_> danko123456, shut everthing down ?
[05:58] <snoop_> danko123456, shutting down everything now.....be back in a while
[05:58] <amonkey> but not the package for "base" the access-esque part
[05:59] <danko123456> hey, uh, Dethread... Set up your Wireless Router as an 'open' network.  I.e. Turn off all security such as WAP in Mac Address restriction....did he do that?
[06:00] <Dethread> danko123456, yeah, I think he had all that off...gotta double check when he comes back though
[06:00] <TwoBitSprite> is anyone else having problems mounting an SMB shared drive in Ubuntu??
[06:01] <cirkit_> hi i just setup my ftp with proftpd and cant seem to access the ftp
[06:01] <cirkit_> ftp localhost
[06:01] <cirkit_> Connected to localhost.localdomain.   220 ProFTPD 1.2.10 Server (Debian) [127.0.0.1]    Name (localhost:root):
[06:02] <cirkit_> what do i do?
[06:02] <ifr> TwoBitSprite, how are you attempting to mount it?
[06:03] <TwoBitSprite> ifr: "sudo mount -t smbfs //KIM_DELL/SharedDocs /mnt/kim_dell"
[06:03] <danko123456> dethre didnt you guys talk about how instead of having it in decimal, to put the option in as hex?
[06:03] <danko123456> man..
[06:03] <danko123456> :)
[06:04] <ifr> TwoBitSprite If your case sensitivity is right then try adding to the end of that -o user=user,password=password,gid=users,uid=uid
[06:04] <_nate_sleeping> gnite
[06:04] <TwoBitSprite> ifr: dmesg tells me "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[06:04] <cirkit_> anyone? ive setup the ftp with proftpd but cant seem to know where to access it from on the web
[06:05] <TwoBitSprite> ifr: but I've never needed user/pass before...
[06:05] <Dethread> cirkit_, are you behind a router?
[06:05] <ifr> Just maks things better sometimes. You google he error ?
[06:05] <cirkit_> yeah
[06:05] <cirkit_> i opened up port 20 and 21 though
[06:05] <Dethread> cirkit_, is port fowarding on?
[06:05] <Dethread> ah ok
[06:05] <cirkit_> when i try ftp://localhost it asks for a password
[06:05] <cirkit_> and username
[06:06] <samuel> sup all
[06:06] <danko123456> cirkit_: well, you wont know till you remove the router, it seems.
[06:06] <Dethread> cirkit_, ok...but it doesn't when you try it from the web/use the actual ip?
[06:06] <ifr> TwoBitSprite http://www.technorati.com/tag/sysadmin
[06:06] <danko123456> sup, sam...
[06:06] <cirkit_> i dont use the actual ip
[06:06] <snoop_> danko123456, back..
[06:06] <ifr> TwoBitSprite http://blog.anime.org.za/?p=11
[06:06] <Dethread> cirkit_, which ip do you use?
[06:06] <cirkit_> i tried ftp://cirkit-ubuntu.homelinux.net
[06:06] <cirkit_> but nothing
[06:06] <Dethread> cirkit_, well, is that forwarded correctly?
[06:06] <samuel> dont know what i did, but ive lost root access to my computer - i was trying to change the name of the user i used on the install, and made another admin user, and deleted the last one, but that made me loose admin rights, how can i fix this please?
[06:07] <cirkit_> umm
[06:07] <TwoBitSprite> ifr: thanks, I'll check those out
[06:07] <ifr> I had the same problem.
[06:07] <cirkit_> i set port 20 and 21 on that hosts ipp
[06:07] <ifr> You need smbfs and it'llwork
[06:08] <cirkit_> its still asks for a username and password
[06:08] <cirkit_> where am i suppose to set that
[06:08] <Dethread> cirkit_, /etc/proftpd.conf
[06:09] <TwoBitSprite> ifr: awesome, got it... thanks :)
[06:09] <ifr> Cool!
[06:09] <TwoBitSprite> ok, next problem :P ... how do I get ubuntu to play MPEGs?
[06:09] <TwoBitSprite> I opened Totem, and it says "nothing to handle mpeg" or something
[06:09] <ifr> Shove an Ipod under the case
[06:09] <ifr> and plug in you headset
[06:09] <ifr> ;)
[06:09] <danko123456> samuel: had a guy here earlier same issue...they made him reboot, sign in as safe mode, and set up a root password with passwd root, or some such command.
[06:10] <TwoBitSprite> I did "apt-get install libmpeg1 mpeglib" and still nothing
[06:10] <samuel> danko123456, thanks, ill try that
[06:10] <danko123456> TwoBitSprite: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:10] <danko123456> ok, just a sec, samuel
[06:10] <danko123456> dang..
[06:10] <snoop_> danko123456, finished rebooting everything
[06:11] <danko123456> he never got to find out the command for setting up the root password.
[06:11] <danko123456> snoop_: good times.
[06:11] <snoop_> danko123456, aye ;)
[06:11] <danko123456> ok, I have a couple of questions since youve been gone...
[06:11] <snoop_> k
[06:11] <danko123456> snoop_: did you read this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto ?
[06:12] <snoop_> yes
[06:12] <danko123456> what about this part: Set up your Wireless Router as an 'open' network. I.e. Turn off all security such as WAP in Mac Address restriction. However you should set your Network Name (ESSID) in your Router. ?
[06:12] <sjohnson> hey dudes, which FTPd's do you recommend
[06:13] <danko123456> dudes and dudettes...
[06:13] <Dethread> sjohnson, I like/use proftpd
[06:13] <snoop_> the router is set as open and essid is set to broadcast
[06:13] <danko123456> bah
[06:13] <danko123456> so no WAP, then?
[06:13] <^thehatsrule^> yes, proftpd is prolly themost pop
[06:14] <_nate_sleeping> sjohnson: use sftp, its part of the open-ssh server
[06:14] <danko123456> it is certainly among the loved ones...:)
[06:14] <_nate_sleeping> sjohnson: ftp logins travel in clear text
[06:14] <_nate_sleeping> sjohnson: so your password can be intercepted
[06:14] <kakalto> how do I use a deb-src?
[06:14] <snoop_> no
[06:14] <_nate_sleeping> sjohnson: use ssh and it can't be
[06:14] <kakalto> how would I compile it with special options?
[06:15] <_nate_sleeping> anyone who uses ftp for their home machine is silly, unless its restricted to their personal LAN
[06:15] <snoop_> danko123456, its an open network..
[06:15] <snoop_> danko123456, for now ;)
[06:16] <danko123456> hehe...I found out that....you are somewhat SOL...for now, it seems.
[06:16] <danko123456> Read this guys page: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/28.html its a broadcom chipset!!!
[06:16] <danko123456> but, after that, read this: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ .
[06:16] <snoop_> ok
[06:16] <_nate_sleeping> snoop_: just shut down wireless when you're not using it, thats what i do, at least then its somewhat secure
[06:17] <_nate_sleeping> snoop_: or use dual-routers, and put the wireless off by itself with MAC filtering
[06:17] <pablo928> nate_sleeping, unless they use yahoo webhosting, doesn't support sftp
[06:18] <_nate_sleeping> pablo928: maybe I misunderstand the context, for a personal ftp server, its more secure to use sftp.  When connecting to ftp servers on the net you don't have a choise, so back up everything
[06:18] <danko123456> snoop_: you ever heard of broadcom chipsets?
[06:18] <_nate_sleeping> choice*
[06:18] <_nate_sleeping> man i'm tired
[06:18] <danko123456> nate, man, you are moonwalking again...
[06:18] <snoop_> _nate_sleeping, i usually have encryption on it..
[06:18] <danko123456> thanks for the tip, nate:)
[06:19] <snoop_> danko123456, yes i think so
[06:19] <danko123456> can the box of the card tell yuou if it uses that chipset?
[06:19] <_nate_sleeping> snoop_: me too, but its a pain to configure multiple network settings using the current drivers for my wireless chipset, so i just turn off the encryption
[06:19] <_nate_sleeping> snoop_: don't ya hate that?
[06:19] <snoop_> _nate_sleeping, yeah...
[06:20] <snoop_> _nate_sleeping, but it dosnt even work with this linux box now...
[06:20] <snoop_> danko123456, to tell the truth i have no idea where the box is..
[06:21] <_nate_sleeping> snoop_: ick, yeah, i hosed my wireless settings trying to use ubuntu's wireless manager
[06:21] <_nate_sleeping> snoop_: then it didn't work for me.  Fortunately it was just before I was gonna do a reinstall
[06:21] <g14> Anyone here played with the fast-user-switch-applet?
[06:21] <danko123456> snoop_: it seems it is a broadcom chipset on there, and the only thing you can do is fork up for the driver if you want it to work, I would not personally, since it just, how do I put it, makes it more profitable not to release the specs...
[06:22] <snoop_> _nate_sleeping, very true..
[06:22] <_nate_away> going to sleep, gnite everyone
[06:22] <snoop_> _nate_away, dang...seems like i have to have it not connect to the internet, or get a ehternet connection
[06:24] <snoop_> danko123456, dang..no paying for me..
[06:24] <snoop_> danko123456, i suppose, i can just wait until i can run some ethernet upstairs..
[06:25] <snoop_> danko123456, do you know what brands/types of wireless cards work well with linux ?
[06:25] <blake> how do i install webmin????
[06:25] <bob2> blake: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:26] <snoop_> danko123456, wait a second....the windows drivers, will it work for this?
[06:26] <Badness45> i have a broadcom network adapter and when i installed warty it's not reconized
[06:27] <Badness45> can some one help me install it
[06:27] <bitsmash> hello
[06:27] <choop> hello all
[06:27] <bob2> Badness45: is it too late to return it and get a better one?
[06:27] <bitsmash> how do i upgrade from the prerelease to the release?
[06:27] <Badness45> get a better what?
[06:28] <bitsmash> am i mistaken or did lynx want me to register when i tried to look up info how to upgrade from the prerelease
[06:28] <dr_willis> Badness45,  proberly just need to load the right modules..  then use the network tools to confoigure it..
[06:28] <Dethread> bitsmash, I think "apt-get dist-upgrade' will do the trick
[06:28] <amaro> damn I love ubuntu
[06:29] <danko123456> snoop_: usually anything that has a prism 2 chipset.
[06:29] <bitsmash> Dethread: i dont have to update my sources?
[06:29] <Badness45> ok what does that mean
[06:29] <dr_willis> Badness45,  check the 'dmesg' messages to see if its allready seen&modules loaded
[06:29] <danko123456> snoop_: not really a network person, I heard these things from others.
[06:29] <Dethread> bitsmash, the sources are the same...but I'd incl. universe/multiverse anyway
[06:29] <Badness45> i tried the ndiswrapper
[06:29] <snoop_> danko123456, prism 2, huh...i'll keep that in mind.....
[06:29] <Badness45> still don't work
[06:29] <Badness45> imma turn my laptop on now
[06:29] <snoop_> danko123456, well thanks anyways.....
[06:29] <bitsmash> Dethread: what do you mean incl. universe/multiverse
[06:29] <dr_willis> Badness45,  this a wireless carrd?
[06:30] <Badness45> yeah
[06:30] <danko123456> yup. come check again sometime, ivoks may know more.
[06:30] <Badness45> broadcom
[06:30] <dr_willis> Ugh.    Cant help ya much then. OTher then say go check out the Ubuntu wiki's
[06:30] <bitsmash> Dethread: as well as hoary/main?
[06:30] <snoop_> Badness45, sounds like the problem i have....you apparently have to pay for linux drivers..
[06:30] <kwame> hi!
[06:30] <bob2> Badness45: can you exchange it?
[06:30] <kwame> I have an usb hp deskjet 3550 printer
[06:31] <Badness45> exchange my laptop
[06:31] <bob2> snoop_: er, doesn't it just require ndiswrapper?
[06:31] <kwame> It sends to print, but with no ink! ... the cartirge is full, I can print in windows ... any help?
[06:31] <Badness45> snoop: what laptop u have i have the hp
[06:31] <snoop_> bob2, i tried....didnt work
[06:31] <snoop_> Badness45, i have a desktop...
[06:31] <danko123456> snoop_: yeah, soundsw like the same issue.
[06:31] <sjohnson> _nate_away, : thanks
[06:31] <Badness45> in man hp
[06:32] <Badness45> oh
[06:32] <sjohnson> Dethread,  are you here?
[06:32] <Badness45> what is ndiswrapper
[06:32] <snoop_> danko123456, you think i screwed up on setting up ndiswrapper? i set it up exactly as the guide said..
[06:32] <Dethread> sjohnson, yes
[06:32] <Badness45> people in forums said that they were able to get it to work with the ndiswrapper
[06:32] <snoop_> Badness45, ndiswrapper lets you use windows drivers for linux..
[06:33] <Badness45> oh
[06:33] <Dethread> danko123456, iwconfig looked good, so I think the driver is ok :-/
[06:33] <danko123456> snoop_: I dont think much...but, from what I just researched into the card, it seems that those are the only frivers.
[06:33] <snoop_> Badness45, but didnt work for me
[06:33] <Badness45> at the very end of the install
[06:33] <Badness45> when i type
[06:33] <danko123456> Dethread: IT MAY WELL be, I suck at wireless.
[06:33] <Badness45> ndiswrapper -l it say invalid driver
[06:33] <Dethread> caps-lock stuck or are you angry?
[06:34] <snoop_> danko123456, i just took the drivers off the windows cd..
[06:34] <Badness45> snoop what inf files where off the cd
[06:34] <stuNNed> how to edit gnome menu?
[06:34] <danko123456> snoop_: took the drivers like that for ndiswrapper?
[06:34] <Badness45> oh
[06:35] <snoop_> Badness45, i just took the bcmwl5.inf file off it
[06:35] <danko123456> snoop_: is this the card, http://madwifiwiki.thewebhost.de/wiki/LinksysWMP55AG
[06:35] <snoop_> danko123456, no mines wmp54g
[06:35] <Badness45> imma check my system cd
[06:35] <sjohnson> Dethread, i changed the port number in the /etc/proftpd.conf file, but i can't figure out how to make the changes apply
[06:35] <danko123456> right...
[06:36] <danko123456> damn nuimber
[06:36] <sjohnson> *test*
[06:36] <snoop_> danko123456, yeah....so frustrating..
[06:36] <paulproteus> sjohnson: Did you restart ProFTPd?
[06:37] <Dethread> sjohnson, there's a way to restart a service...can't remember how...just kill proftpd and then start it again
[06:37] <danko123456> im not a frustratable person, that much, pluis, It is not my case...
[06:37] <snoop_> Badness45, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[06:37] <paulproteus>  /etc/init.d/proftp restart ?
[06:37] <snoop_> danko123456, so true :)
[06:37] <danko123456> but...Broadcom sucks!!! I have an apple, ntw.
[06:37] <danko123456> btw
[06:37] <Dethread> paulproteus, that's what he needs...how do you do that again? it's /etc/init.d/proftpd restart or so I think
[06:37] <snoop_> Badness45,  also see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[06:37] <snoop_> danko123456, what kind of apple?
[06:37] <paulproteus> Dethread: All the scripts to *init*ialize (and de-initialize) daemons are in /etc/init.d
[06:37] <sjohnson> Dethread, it's using inetd
[06:37] <Dethread> paulproteus, yeah...i just wasn't sure about the "restart" option :)
[06:37] <paulproteus> So "ls" around that directory if you ever get stuck.
[06:38] <IcemanV9> stuNNed: wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb, then sudo dpkg -i smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:38] <sjohnson> *sigh*
[06:38] <paulproteus> Dethread: Hint: "Just try it."
[06:38] <sjohnson> linux sure is frustrating
[06:38] <Dethread> paulproteus, nah...sjohnson can try it :)
[06:38] <paulproteus> sjohnson: If it's using inetd, then you must change inetd.conf.
[06:38] <Dethread> I will when I need it
[06:38] <anethema> blug
[06:38] <paulproteus> Dethread: Okay. :)
[06:38] <snoop_> danko123456, and yes broadcom does suck.....i hope their stock sells at -$2.00
[06:38] <paulproteus> sjohnson: /etc/inetd.conf  - change the port from "ftp" to some number you want.
[06:38] <paulproteus> Then restart inetd.
[06:39] <danko123456> he may have to use sudo.
[06:39] <danko123456> snoop_: agreed:-$
[06:39] <snoop_> danko123456, thats the only way they'll learn
[06:39] <devnull> my libraries packages didn't seem to interface with pkg-config i think i am missing some files
[06:40] <snoop_> anyways, i'm off....got to get some sleep....i'll try again tommorow or later....
[06:40] <snoop_> thanks for all the help everybody
[06:40] <snoop_> danko123456, thanks
[06:40] <snoop_> later, all
[06:41] <akrus> hello
[06:41] <g14> Any esd masters that want to show their kung foo?
[06:41] <derek> anyone here using a dell port replicator with a latitude series laptop?
[06:41] <danko123456> bob2: there is support for his card listed in ndiswrapper, maybe he did not follow that that well.
[06:41] <danko123456> g14:)
[06:41] <akrus> what should I change in xorg.conf to set 75Hz?
[06:42] <bob2> g14: way better to just ask your question
[06:42] <g14> When I switch users using the fast user switch applet, the new users can't play sound because esd is running as the first user. Any ideas?
[06:43] <bob2> don't use the fast user switch applet
[06:43] <bob2> or kill esd before switching
[06:43] <g14> bob2: I realize I can kill esd, but is there any other sort of way to "proxy" the sound requests or whatnot?
[06:43] <danko123456> bob2: good alternative...
[06:43] <bob2> no
[06:43] <g14> I would really like to see fusa in breezy by default
[06:44] <bob2> I've never even heard of "fusa"
[06:44] <choop> so what's a good score in frozen-bubble?
[06:44] <bob2> moving to Yet Another Sound Daemon seems like a terrible idea
[06:44] <danko123456> fast user switch applet...its all over the news..
[06:44] <g14> bob2: http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[06:44] <g14> bob2: No, I'm thinking about talking to esd upstream to see if it can be fixed somehow
[06:44] <kakalto> how do I compile from source a deb-src?
[06:45] <bob2> kakalto: why do you want to compile it?
[06:45] <danko123456> bob2: or, kill esd once logged in, as a login scrpit?
[06:45] <danko123456> as root?
[06:45] <bob2> that could work
[06:45] <danko123456> oooh, damn Im good.
[06:45] <kakalto> bob2, I need special options... and can't find the source on the internet
[06:45] <danko123456> that ws a design right there,
[06:45] <bob2> kakalto: what special options?
[06:45] <kakalto> to do with avi's, in transcode
[06:46] <danko123456> bob2: a personal question about your work?
[06:46] <bob2> danko123456: ok
[06:46] <bob2> kakalto: it's more complicated than you think
[06:46] <g14> danko123456, I might try that out, thanks. Do you know what file in the gnome login starts esd?
[06:46] <akrus> can I install KDE on Ubuntu?
[06:46] <kakalto> bob2, it's the only way :(
[06:46] <danko123456> bob2: what do you do at canonical?
[06:46] <bob2> kakalto: "apt-get source transcode", then edit debian/rules to use whatever config option you want
[06:46] <akrus> via updater?
[06:46] <kakalto> akrus, yes
[06:46] <bob2> kakalto: then "sudo apt-get build-dep transcode ; sudo apt-get install build-essential", then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" in the source dir
[06:46] <kakalto> akrus, kubuntu-desktop is what you're looking for
[06:47] <kakalto> bob2, thanks :)
[06:47] <danko123456> are you gonna answer>
[06:47] <danko123456> lol
[06:47] <danko123456> jj
[06:47] <bob2> danko123456: I nominally work on bazaar (bazaar.canonical.com), but at the moment I've been hijacked for other stuff
[06:47] <akrus> :))
[06:47] <danko123456> cool, like what?
[06:47] <akrus> I'll try to install using Synaptic :D
[06:47] <danko123456> bazaar, nominally means primarily?
[06:47] <bob2> sorta
[06:48] <mzalim_> hellol
[06:48] <bob2> I'll go back to that at some point
[06:48] <g14> So I'm going to guess that bob2 == python_master
[06:48] <bob2> heh, I know which end of the filter() to use ;)
[06:48] <g14> ha
[06:48] <danko123456> bob2: hijacked to other projects, or just personal stuff?
[06:49] <bisley> hi
[06:49] <danko123456> yo, bisley
[06:49] <bob2> danko123456: to other stuff within canonical
[06:49] <danko123456> k, like...? Ubuntu at all?
[06:49] <bisley> anyone have problems to get Packages.gz from http://security.ubuntu.com in apt-get update?
[06:50] <JDahl> I wish matplotlib would get included in Breezy... it's sort of annoying to build from source, and invaluable
[06:50] <g14> bob2, Some of the MOTU are packaging fusa for ubuntu and are toying with it http://ankur.ath.cx/ubuntu/fast-user-switch-applet/
[06:50] <bob2> danko123456: no, not ubuntu
[06:50] <bob2> g14: ah, cool
[06:50] <bisley> i received an "cannot download md5sum is different
[06:50] <bob2> JDahl: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU, you can ask someone to include it
[06:50] <bisley> but in spanish ;)
[06:51] <bob2> bisley: did you try again?
[06:51] <bisley> lot of times
[06:52] <kakalto> bob2, where are the debian/rules?
[06:52] <Cybermagellan> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ServerBanners
[06:52] <bob2> kakalto: in the source tree you just downloaded.  look in the directory you ran apt-get source in
[06:52] <kakalto> which file? a .dsc?
[06:53] <kakalto> or in the folder which was created
[06:53] <bob2> kakalto: ?
[06:53] <bob2> kakalto: in the folder it created
[06:53] <kakalto> bob2, what file would it be called?
[06:54] <bob2> kakalto: debian/rules...
[06:54] <kakalto> ahh
[06:54] <kakalto> sorry, I'm not thinking straight today
[06:55] <sjohnson> Dethread, paulproteus, thanks bro
[06:55] <sjohnson> s
[06:55] <sjohnson> will give it a shot
[06:56] <bisley> nobody have the same problem with apt-get update?damn..
[06:57] <Dethread> good luck
[06:57] <danko123456> bob2: ah, a versioning system?
[06:57] <bob2> danko123456: yes
[06:57] <danko123456> a pretty advanced, robust, and such one?
[06:57] <bob2> yeah
[06:57] <bob2> it's pretty awesome
[06:57] <bob2> still crap in some ways, but we're fixing that
[06:59] <danko123456> cool dstuff, so it really is a big thing...pretty cool, canonical is really trying to be right there in the heart of things.
[06:59] <danko123456> a lot of open source development tools, really.
[07:00] <bob2> yeah
[07:01] <danko123456>  It is somewhat well known, these days, that some of the core developers of the Linux kernel are using a revision control system which is not free software.    which one are they referring to?
[07:01] <daniels> bitkeeper
[07:01] <danko123456> yeah, hey?
[07:01] <bob2> which they're not using anymore
[07:01] <danko123456> thanks.
[07:01] <daniels> although they're not using that anymore because it blew up in their face
[07:01] <danko123456> oh, so not hey?
[07:01] <bob2> which was a surprise for all concerned
[07:01] <danko123456> where is a thread you can read?
[07:02] <bob2> danko123456: that quote wasn't on the bazaar site was it?
[07:02] <danko123456> nope.
[07:02] <danko123456> that is the arch site.
[07:02] <bob2> ah, ok
[07:02] <miss_jade> hey everyone!
[07:02] <danko123456> well, bazaar says, I implement arch, so I am like...hm,...gotta read what arch is I guess...
[07:03] <danko123456> YO, miss_jade
[07:03] <miss_jade> hey danko
[07:03] <miss_jade> how are u
[07:03] <miss_jade> where is everyone from?
[07:03] <danko123456> nice...
[07:03] <danko123456> Im in canada, from Croatia.
[07:03] <bob2> ah, yeah.
[07:04] <miss_jade> kool
[07:04] <miss_jade> im from sydney australia...
[07:04] <Nula> I am from a village in the Afghanistan mountains.. we grow good plants for relaxation when hacking the linux kernel
[07:04] <danko123456> Sweet, a whole article with a sub headline What Went Wrong, AND What Next ON that bitkeeper thing.
[07:04] <danko123456> nice to meet you.
[07:04] <danko123456> nula means zero in my language
[07:05] <Levande1> bob2: they have a page saying how bazaar is different than subversion?
[07:05] <Nula> what language is that?
[07:05] <danko123456> scroll up just a little
[07:05] <miss_jade> is there any other chat rooms?
[07:05] <danko123456> probably on your screen still
[07:05] <Nula> I see
[07:05] <danko123456> there is, this is a linux support channel,.
[07:06] <danko123456> said ther blind man...
[07:06] <Nula> miss_jade what kind of chat?? tech related or socializing?
[07:07] <danko123456> lol
[07:07] <Nula> I probably wouldn't hang around IRC for socializing... irc has become a techsupport/pirating chat network..
[07:08] <bob2> well, not really
[07:08] <danko123456> yeah, I mean, I come here to socialize.
[07:08] <Levande1> bob2: there is a short version of the difference in design goals?
[07:08] <choop> wow i'm slow on the uptake. i'm in atlanta, georgia, usa
[07:08] <danko123456>  /join #fun
[07:08] <danko123456> or something...#keyword
[07:09] <lifeless> Levande1: bazaar is different from svn in the same good ways as 'arch', but not in the bad ways ;)
[07:09] <concept10> is there a ubuntu development channel?
[07:09] <Levande1> lifeless: guess i would have to learn more about arch to figure out what that means...
[07:10] <Levande1> concept10: think it's #ubuntu-dev
[07:10] <bob2> Levande1: I guess the main difference is that arch internally works in terms of changes, not trees
[07:10] <lifeless> Levande1: heh. seen the bazaar homepage / arch wiki ?
[07:10] <danko123456> concept10: there are some devs here even, whats up?
[07:10] <danko123456> haha
[07:10] <danko123456> \Im awesome.
[07:10] <bob2> Levande1: but also that it doesn't really care which archive a branch is in, so you can branch from other people and store it locally
[07:11] <concept10> I want to contribute to some of the ubuntu goals
[07:11] <g14> concept10, /join #ubuntu-devel
[07:11] <lifeless> bob2: I think the big difference is bazaar understands 'branch' vs 'directory' whereas svn is willfully blind
[07:11] <bob2> hm..
[07:12] <Levande1> bob2: like the way CVS is file-based vs. how svn is project based.  The CVS file-based would be similar to bazaar's change based?  And, the svn project based, I think I mean the same thing as what you mean when you say tree based.
[07:12] <bitsmash> hi
[07:12] <bitsmash> why do i have no root?
[07:12] <bob2> Levande1: how is svn project-based while cvs is not?
[07:12] <Levande1> bitsmash: there's some page in the ubuntu wiki that explain why sudo
[07:12] <bob2> bitsmash: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:12] <bob2> bitsmash: also, it was explained to you during the install
[07:12] <bob2> bitsmash: and it's in the FAQ
[07:12] <bitsmash> ok
[07:13] <dr_willis> is that the #1 thing on the Faq? :P
[07:14] <pablo921> maybe i had an advantage never having used linux before ubuntu, i didn't expect to have root.
[07:15] <Levande1> bob2: when you do a log on a working copy directory in cvs, you get a comment for every file that has changed, even in the same comment.  Say you have one commit with one comment for a bunch of files.  With the cvs log for that commit, you getta comment for each file, even though all the comments are the same.  This is because cvs doesn't version the whole *tree* or directory.  Just individual files.  With svn, you only get the one commen
[07:15] <Levande1> ooh, sorry that was so long
[07:15] <danko123456> bob2: Worse, one of these efforts was inadvertandly funded by the OSDL, Linus Torvalds' place of employement.
[07:15] <danko123456> hehe, total flame wars.
[07:16] <Levande1> bob2: it's not like i've got a real reason to switch from svn now anyway (or the time).  I'll keep on eye on you guys bazaar project now that I know about it.
[07:17] <danko123456> seriously, awesome text.
[07:17] <bob2> Levande1: right, arch is like svn in that regard, it versions the whole tree
[07:17] <bob2> Levande1: all modern systems are
[07:17] <Levande1> Improvements in source code control is no small resource saver in the large projects I work with.
[07:17] <bob2> cvs and sccs are the onlye ones I know of in broad use that don't
[07:17] <danko123456>  It became the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
[07:18] <Levande1> bob2: but really wish you guys would eventually do a page explaining the difference to guys like me
[07:18] <bob2> Levande1: that would be good
[07:18] <Levande1> thanks
[07:18] <bob2> I'll put it on my evergrowing todo
[07:20] <danko123456> i lseriously, such a proverbial straw...
[07:20] <danko123456> :)
[07:20] <kakalto> guys, I have a problem - a package I have I can't compile due to the repositories not having some of the dev packages
[07:20] <danko123456> pastebin the error.
[07:20] <kakalto> *a package I have = a source pakage
[07:21] <JDahl> kakalto, do you know apt-get build-dep?
[07:21] <kakalto> JDahl, that failed :(
[07:21] <kakalto> one moment please
[07:21] <knapjack> Any ndiyo developers here?
[07:22] <danko123456> "we represent as open-source friendly a commercial organization as you are *ever* going to see"
[07:22] <bob2> larry mcvoy has a very unique POV
[07:22] <danko123456> oh yeah, Im ndiyoSL
[07:22] <Levande1> bob2: i'm not in a hurry to switch, so feel free to make it low priority on the todo for now
[07:22] <bob2> Levande1: heh, it is, unfortunately
[07:22] <Levande1> lol
[07:23] <knapjack> I'm wondering, does ndiyo use VNC or ...???
[07:23] <bob2> Levande1: there's http://better-scm.berlios.de/, but it's unfortunately written by a svn developer
[07:23] <danko123456> bob2: so, is canonical a "commercial organization"?
[07:23] <bob2> so it's not the most unbiased thing ever
[07:23] <unleashedgamers> #leave
[07:23] <bob2> danko123456: canonical is a company, yes
[07:23] <lifeless> danko123456: no, we aim to lose money
[07:23] <danko123456> check this out.
[07:23] <evilmegaman> Hi, anyone here use the ati drivers? I was wondering why my fglrxinfo says that I am still using mesa3d..
[07:24] <danko123456> He pointed out that as a long-time open source fanatic and the CEO of BitMover, "we represent as open-source friendly a commercial organization as you are *ever* going to see", cautioning blah blah...
[07:24] <scorpix> firefox 1.0.4 released :)
[07:24] <ys76> Is there a problem with the bittorrent-tracker at the moment? I am unable to connect to it...
[07:24] <kakalto> JDahl, I get "E: Build-dependencies for transcode could not be satisfied."
[07:24] <bob2> evilmegaman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:24] <danko123456> and OOo and version2...and stuff, just funny...
[07:24] <bob2> evilmegaman: follow those steps
[07:24] <bob2> kakalto: it's unbuildable atm, now I think of it
[07:24] <danko123456> ppl speak...
[07:25] <evilmegaman> thanks bob2
[07:25] <kakalto> bob2, which means I can't do anything about it?
[07:25] <JDahl> kakalto, you could patch it :P
[07:25] <kakalto> JDahl, meaning?
[07:25] <dr_willis> kakalto,  yea - ive been keeping an eye on that lately also. :(
[07:25] <bob2> kakalto: sec
[07:26] <JDahl> kakalto, fix it, I mean... an attempt at being funny
[07:26] <kakalto> JDahl, very funny :P
[07:27] <bob2> kakalto: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/t/transcode/2:0.6.14-0.2ubuntu1/
[07:27] <kakalto> bob2, what's with the link?
[07:27] <bob2> it shows how it failed
[07:27] <danko123456> lifeless: you read: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4966 ?
[07:28] <lifeless> danko123456: I think so. if its LM trolling, then yes
[07:28] <Xeon3D> Has anyone got Ubuntu64 installed on a DFI LanParty NF4 Ultra-D ?
[07:28] <kakalto> bob2, indeed...
[07:28] <knapjack> danko123456: So, is the nivo software publicly available?
[07:28] <bob2> kakalto: ... so go get that package
[07:29] <bob2> kakalto: it's in marillat's repository
[07:29] <kakalto> are you trying to be funny? there's 30 packages listed there
[07:29] <danko123456> knapjack: never heard of it, maybe google knows.
[07:29] <bob2> kakalto: ?
[07:30] <knapjack> danko123456: So you were pulling my leg on the ndiyo developer thing?
[07:30] <danko123456> so, bob2, when did you announce bazaar?
[07:30] <kakalto> bob2, in the latest of those logs from that link you gave me, there was 30 ones listed as "missing"
[07:30] <danko123456> SL...:)
[07:30] <bob2> danko123456: hm, I think it was the end of last year
[07:30] <bob2> kakalto: libdivxencore0
[07:30] <danko123456> really, even then, so a lot of development is done? Like I could install something on my computer?
[07:31] <bob2> sure
[07:31] <danko123456> wow
[07:31] <bob2> we've been using it since day 1
[07:31] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody can recommend a wireless network card that was setup easily in ubuntu?  (not ndiswrapper - possibly nativly supported) 802-11g
[07:31] <bob2> it was a fork of gnu arch
[07:31] <bob2> abarbaccia: pcmcia or minipci?
[07:31] <evilmegaman> Everything seems fine yet my fglrxinfo STILL gives me mesa3d...
[07:31] <abarbaccia> pci
[07:32] <bob2> pci or minipci?
[07:32] <abarbaccia> just pci
[07:32] <danko123456> this is some recent article, real dumba$$ guy, wit that bitkeeper
[07:32] <abarbaccia> ive never heard of minipci
[07:32] <bob2> find something using atheros or prism54
[07:32] <bob2> minipci is what laptops use for internal wireless nowadays
[07:32] <abarbaccia> oh, no - it's for my desktop - but prism54 chipset is the way to go?
[07:32] <kakalto> bob2, when I go to dpkg-buildpackage from the source of the package, it lists 20 dependancies not met
[07:33] <danko123456> bob2: can I put anything else in the apple?
[07:33] <kakalto> some of these dependancies aren't available
[07:33] <bob2> kakalto: ok
[07:33] <choop> how can i test the install cd i just burnt to verify integrity?
[07:33] <bob2> choop: check the md5sum
[07:33] <bob2> choop: which you can do from within the installer, too
[07:33] <bob2> danko123456: modern apple laptops can only use broadcom, unfortunately
[07:33] <danko123456> bob2: like, replace the extreme card? do you know at all?
[07:33] <dr_willis> Hmm.. if i wanted to look at the source to say "ls" where would be the place to look. Lol. :P
[07:34] <bob2> dr_willis: find out what binary package it's in, using "dpkg -S /bin/ls".
[07:34] <dr_willis> googling is hitting way too many bad hits wrong sources.
[07:34] <evilmegaman> Does anyone here know how to fix the ati problem?
[07:34] <evilmegaman> MY ati problem*
[07:34] <choop> i've checked the md5sum of the ISO file, but I'd like to test the CD itself
[07:34] <danko123456> evilmegaman: which ati problem?
[07:35] <dr_willis> bob2,  so thats in the 'coreutils' package then - ok. :P
[07:35] <choop> i've got knoppix up on my desktop (ircing from laptop)
[07:35] <bob2> dr_willis: then use "apt-get source coreutils" to get the source package
[07:35] <bob2> choop: no, check the md5sum of the cd
[07:35] <dr_willis> bob2,  COOL. :P
[07:35] <jiyuu0> is there something wrong witht ehe users mailinglist?
[07:35] <bob2> choop: md5sum /dev/cdrom or whatever
[07:35] <kakalto> "ok"
[07:35] <jiyuu0> cause i'm not getting any mails from it
[07:35] <bob2> jiyuu0: aside from people not reading the faq? ;)
[07:35] <kakalto> ...
[07:35] <bob2> kakalto: I don't know what you want me to do
[07:35] <choop> okay, i think i'll get this whole process started tomorrow instead of staying up 'til three tonight.
[07:36] <choop> thanks bob2
[07:36] <kakalto> you probably can't help anyway, but thanks for your help thus far, bob2
[07:36] <evilmegaman> I have installed xorg-fglrx-driver or whatever and I have made sure my xorg.conf is good, yet I still get mesa3d in fglrxinfo...
[07:36] <dr_willis> bob2,  so.. hmm where did it put the source to? :P /usr/src/ ?
[07:36] <bob2> kakalto: presumably you didn't enable the multiverse and universe repositories
[07:36] <bob2> dr_willis: no, the dir you ran it in
[07:36] <kakalto> bob2, those are enabled
[07:36] <bob2> kakalto: (wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto)
[07:36] <dr_willis> bob2,  ok. Thats more logical i guess Lol :P
[07:37] <bob2> kakalto: I only have 2 missing build-deps
[07:37] <bob2> er, no
[07:37] <danko123456> lol...dbernar1@veliki:~/Desktop/b $ dpkg -i bazaar-dbg_1.3.2_i386.deb...dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege...why do I get this error;)
[07:37] <bob2> danko123456: sudo dpkg -i ...
[07:37] <bob2> danko123456: you can't install packages as a normal user
[07:38] <kakalto> bob2, I'm installing the deps one-by-one, I'll tell you when I have a problem
[07:38] <Chipparn> i got problems installing mplayer via apt-get install mplayer-386. something about damage packages.
[07:38] <evilmegaman> (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[07:38] <danko123456> right, that is why it is funny, ppl ask questions like that where the error tells them right there....
[07:38] <evilmegaman> Found that in Xorg.0.log
[07:38] <bob2> evilmegaman: you compiled your own kernel?
[07:38] <evilmegaman> nope
[07:38] <bob2> Chipparn: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:38] <bob2> evilmegaman: you're using hoary, right?
[07:39] <evilmegaman> yes :)
[07:39] <bob2> not breezy?
[07:39] <bob2> what does "uname -r" print out?
[07:39] <evilmegaman> lemme see bob2
[07:39] <evilmegaman> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:39] <bob2> well, they work for thousands of other people
[07:40] <bob2> I can't guess what's different about your machine
[07:40] <kakalto> bob2, libc6 isn't new enough
[07:40] <evilmegaman> *thinks*... I don't know :(
[07:41] <kakalto> libxvidcore4 requires 2.3.2.ds1-4 apparently
[07:41] <kakalto> (of libc6)
[07:41] <bob2> then use the testing side of his archive
[07:41] <kakalto> how do I do that?
[07:42] <evilmegaman> oooh
[07:42] <evilmegaman> That binary howto thing tells me what to do
[07:43] <evilmegaman> should I reinstall the linux-restricted-modules(uname -r) package?
[07:44] <danko123456> kakalto, are you talking about your apt-get?
[07:44] <evilmegaman> or do I need to get rid of linux-restricted-modules-386?
[07:44] <evilmegaman> @bob2
[07:45] <kakalto> danko123456, I need to install libxvidcore4, which requires libc6 2.3.2.ds1-4, although I have libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[07:45] <kakalto> just force libxvidcore4 to install?
[07:47] <AgentSmith> Cidolfas: tar xvf <new_file>
[07:47] <danko123456> kakalto: force? are you talking about apt-get?
[07:48] <kakalto> well, yeah
[07:48] <danko123456> pastebin it, please:)
[07:48] <kakalto> I'm using synaptic, but I don't mind using console
[07:48] <danko123456> can you apt-get update? and apt-get package?
[07:48] <abbot45> Do any of you use Pan for Usenet Binaries?
[07:49] <danko123456> insert install^
[07:49] <abarbaccia> anybody can recommend a specific card that uses the prism54 chipset (wireless nics for PCI Desktop use)
[07:49] <danko123456> yeah, one I just saw on google...
[07:49] <kakalto> danko123456, where's a pastebin?
[07:49] <danko123456> .com
[07:50] <kakalto> ?
[07:51] <kakalto> danko123456, what's an address of a pastebin?
[07:51] <kakalto> pastebin.com?
[07:51] <kakalto> ahhh
[07:53] <danko123456> give us the URL too.
[07:53] <kakalto> http://pastebin.com/283040
[07:54] <kakalto> quite simply, the version in the repos is too old
[07:54] <kakalto> then should I just get a libc6 new version deb from packages.debian.org ?
[07:54] <danko123456> what is that from?
[07:55] <danko123456> there is no $
[07:55] <kakalto> woops
[07:55] <kakalto> I missed a bit
[07:56] <kakalto> there
[07:56] <kakalto> danko123456, try that again
[07:56] <danko123456> i got it;
[07:57] <danko123456> kakalto, I can, this is my sources...:/
[07:57] <danko123456> a 64?
[07:57] <kakalto> danko123456, should I simply get a new testing release of libc6 from packages.debian.org ?
[07:58] <kakalto> if you're referring to 64bit, no
[07:58] <ali4728> Help how can I download a "tar.gz" package to certain directory by using bash?
[07:58] <danko123456> kakalto, my sources... http://pastebin.com/283045 then, save, update, and install, if you want to, I have some breezy tehre, you can also try commenting that out at first to see if it works taht way...
[07:59] <kakalto> breezy likely has the new version
[07:59] <danko123456> and backports, so, try commenting it out...or at least when you dist-upgrade, comment it out.
[07:59] <MM2> ali4728: try wget http://url
[08:00] <danko123456> I am hoary, thougn.
[08:00] <danko123456> try it, comment those two sources out.
[08:00] <danko123456> thats a proper one for that same package, I had it.
[08:01] <danko123456> Just apt-get update after, with sudo.
[08:01] <danko123456> its also a dev for a MPlayer compilation
[08:01] <danko123456> xI guess, I mean, thats prob why I had it.
[08:02] <danko123456> youre all sleeping.
[08:02] <kakalto> unless my local mirror hasn't updated the package of libc6 to the newest
[08:02] <danko123456> fr?
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[08:02] <kakalto> danko123456, nah, nz
[08:02] <danko123456> try the ones I gave you, I would have by now...
[08:03] <kakalto> I'm downloading the lists
[08:03] <kakalto> at the moment
[08:03] <danko123456> k, update?
[08:03] <kakalto> yeah
[08:03] <kakalto> it's just taking a little while
[08:03] <mdJake> Hi!
[08:03] <danko123456> k, thats good, did you comment those two out?
[08:03] <kakalto> yes
[08:03] <danko123456> yo, mdJake!
[08:04] <mdJake> Is there a problem with Acrobat Reader? I couldn't manage to run it...
[08:05] <danko123456> in Ubuntu?
[08:05] <kakalto> danko123456, now I have a different problem
[08:05] <mdJake> "/usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No such file or directory."
[08:05] <kakalto> very similar though
[08:05] <mdJake> in Ubuntu (Hoary)
 Got it thanks
[08:05] <danko123456> pastebin URL?
[08:06] <danko123456> mdJake: Yeah, its LAME..
[08:06] <mdJake> danko123456: sorry?
[08:06] <kakalto> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/283047
[08:06] <mdJake> pastebin /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread:
[08:06] <danko123456> pastebin for kakalto...as an issue with acrobvat, its lame...
[08:07] <danko123456> use xpdf, why would you ever use acrobat anything in Ubuntu?
[08:07] <danko123456> everything exports pdfs...
[08:07] <mdJake> danko123456: what is pastebin?
[08:07] <danko123456> and, you can view them in x...
[08:07] <danko123456> mdJake: I posted that for kakalto.
[08:07] <danko123456> try it out.
[08:08] <danko123456> pastebin.com
[08:08] <mdJake> I'm browsing
[08:08] <kakalto> danko123456, ?
[08:08] <danko123456> well, whats the URL?
[08:08] <kakalto> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/283047
[08:08] <danko123456> a similar problem, how am I to know?
[08:08] <mdJake> danko123456: what is this place pastebin.com?
[08:08] <danko123456> haha
[08:08] <danko123456> mdJake: I posted it for kakalto...
[08:09] <danko123456> thanks, kakalto, missed it..
[08:09] <mdJake> and who is kakalto?
[08:09] <kakalto> mdJake, don't worry about pastebin.com :)
[08:09] <kakalto> hehe
[08:09] <mdJake> Danko, i see a post about transcode, not Acrobat
[08:09] <mdJake> hi kakalto
[08:09] <kakalto> mdJake, hey
[08:10] <danko123456> mdJake: man...
[08:10] <mdJake> danko123456: yes?
[08:10] <kakalto> mdJake, that's because I'm trying to fix a problem with transcode :)
[08:10] <danko123456> dont worry about it, it was not posted for you at all, the pastebin was for kakalto, ghet it?
[08:10] <mdJake> danko123456: oh get it!
[08:10] <danko123456> there is no problem with transcode, in fact...
[08:10] <mdJake> danko123456: still I don't know what is pastebin.com...
[08:11] <danko123456> gedit?
[08:11] <danko123456> it is a place to paste, instead of pasting here.
[08:11] <danko123456> so I can see your screen.
[08:11] <kakalto> well, transcode is the main problem, but libxvidcore4-dev is a seperate issue
[08:11] <mdJake> ah, get it - Im slow like a dinosaur
[08:12] <mdJake> danko123456: how does it work?
[08:12] <danko123456> kakalto: and....
[08:12] <kakalto> libxvidcore4-dev requires libxvidcore4 (a certain version), which requires libc6 (a certain version)\
[08:12] <danko123456> I figured you out, we hacve to ask though.
[08:12] <danko123456> or, RTFM...I think Ill try that first, I saw it there b4.
[08:12] <danko123456> man apt-egt
[08:12] <danko123456> I think.
[08:13] <danko123456> force a version, that is waht you are looking for, I guess.
[08:13] <danko123456> or maybe not.
[08:13] <kakalto> I think the version(s) I require aren't available yet
[08:14] <kakalto> which is rather irritating
[08:14] <kakalto> so I'll have to get those versions from packages.debian.org
[08:14] <danko123456> apt-cache search libxvidcore4 kakalto, and if there are results, pastebin it, and tell me the url, pls.
[08:15] <mdJake> ah, pastebin.com rocks :) :)
[08:15] <mdJake> so I shouldn't paste here anything?
[08:16] <kakalto> mdJake, pastebin.com is for large amounts of text that you shouldn't post here
[08:16] <danko123456> well, if you want to paste a large amount of text, yeah...
[08:16] <kakalto> if you post lots of lines all at the same time here, you will get kicked :)
[08:16] <danko123456> in the arse...
[08:16] <mdJake> no I don't wanna kicked
[08:16] <mdJake> I behave
[08:16] <danko123456> kick him...
[08:16] <kakalto> hehe
[08:16] <danko123456> lmao
[08:17] <mdJake> danko123456: plz, I'll use xpdf :) :) dont kick
[08:17] <danko123456> ruight...you better 2...
[08:17] <danko123456> pdf is a etchnology.
[08:17] <bwb> yay for paste spamming
[08:17] <bwb> yay
[08:17] <bwb> yay
[08:17] <danko123456> sweet
[08:17] <mdJake> but acrobat is under construction I hope...
[08:17] <danko123456> for what?
[08:17] <danko123456> You can get it...
[08:17] <danko123456> now, but y???
[08:18] <kakalto> danko123456, I'm just updating, then I'll apt-cache search
[08:18] <danko123456> you didnt update?
[08:18] <danko123456> spam, pasting!!!yay
[08:18] <bwb> yay!
[08:18] <danko123456> lmao
[08:18] <kakalto> http://pastebin.com/283052
[08:19] <danko123456> right...
[08:19] <danko123456> wednesday...
[08:19] <kakalto> I was just updating back to my previous configuration of sources.list
[08:19] <kakalto> thursday...
[08:19] <danko123456> update, or search?
[08:19] <kakalto> at the pastebin.com/283052, it's the search
[08:21] <ik> hi
[08:21] <danko123456> kakalto: well, you didnt use m sources it seems...or you uncommented marillat..
[08:21] <danko123456> ik: YO
[08:21] <ik> i just add an extra ard disk as slave and its no reconacing
[08:21] <kakalto> danko123456, one moment please
[08:21] <danko123456> like what?
[08:21] <danko123456> ik: like what?
[08:22] <danko123456> where is it not recognizing, is  it mounted, is it in your /dev?
[08:22] <kakalto> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/283055 <--- the output when I have marillat commented
[08:22] <danko123456> install
[08:22] <ik> danko123456 like slave
[08:23] <kakalto> but when I try to install libxvidcore4-dev it says libxvidcore4 isn't up-to-date enough
[08:23] <nubious> Hey would anyone know why I can't ssh into my clean ubuntu installation?  I ran sudo apt-get install ssh, and it worked and everything, but for some reason it's refusing my connection
[08:23] <danko123456> like slave, you never used this drive, hey?
[08:23] <bob2> nubious: did you install openssh-server?
[08:23] <nubious> no I just install ssh
[08:23] <nubious> it worked every other time I've done it this way
[08:23] <nubious> i've reinstalled ubuntu like 5 times this week
[08:23] <nubious> it's weird
[08:23] <nubious> I have NO idea why it wont work
[08:23] <ik> danko123456 yes its was in another machine
[08:24] <dr_willis> Hm.. i had to install the openssh server.
[08:24] <nubious> hmm
[08:24] <nubious> I'll try that
[08:24] <nubious> so whaT?
[08:24] <nubious> sudo apt-get install openssh ?
[08:24] <bob2> 16:23:24 @         bob2 | nubious: did you install openssh-server?
[08:24] <bob2> install that package
[08:24] <nubious> ahh ssh-server
[08:24] <danko123456> ik, you wanna mount it.
[08:24] <danko123456> ik, does it have a filesystem on it, or are you formatting it?
[08:24] <ik> danko123456 i wanna see the files inside
[08:24] <danko123456> ok, so a ntfs?
[08:24] <nubious> says it's already installed?
[08:24] <nubious> ...
[08:24] <ik> ntfs
[08:25] <bob2> nubious: then check if it's running
[08:25] <nubious> I THOUGHT maybe it had to do with an old encryption key on my windows box
[08:25] <benplaut> is there any package out there that can decompress .RAR?
[08:25] <nubious> how do I check?
[08:25] <bob2> nubious: sudo netstat -plunt | grep ssh
[08:25] <pablo921> danko123456, i'm watching you and kakalto closely, i had the exact same problem trying to install dvdrip
[08:25] <danko123456> right, does it have more partitions, or just one?
[08:25] <bob2> benplaut: unrar, surprisingly
[08:25] <ik> danko123456 its a ntfs
[08:25] <danko123456> pablo:)
[08:25] <ik> only one
[08:25] <nubious> negative
[08:25] <kakalto> pablo921, have you found a solution yet?
[08:25] <nubious> nothing showed up
[08:25] <benplaut> bob2: the simplicity always suprises me...
[08:25] <Rudi> benplaut: unrar in multiverse
[08:25] <bob2> nubious: sudo invoke-rc.d ssh restart
[08:25] <ik> danko123456 only one ntfs
[08:26] <danko123456> kakalto: did you install after removing and updating
[08:26] <danko123456> ??
[08:26] <pablo921> kakalto, no, that's why i'm hoping that you do
[08:26] <kakalto> danko123456, what do you mean?
[08:26] <danko123456> ik, creat a dir, in a terminal, sudo mkdir /media/win
[08:26] <ik> ok
[08:26] <danko123456> ik, then mount the hard, sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/win
[08:26] <kakalto> I tried to install after I updated my sources.list to exclude marillat's
[08:26] <mdJake> bob2: what about sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart?
[08:26] <bob2> mdJake: same thing
[08:26] <nubious> failed
[08:26] <ik> ok :)
[08:27] <nubious> sshd error
[08:27] <kakalto> but the -dev package requires a certain version of the normal package
[08:27] <danko123456> kakalto, did you get that error that you said up there after just updating, and commenting out marillat?
[08:27] <nubious> maybe reboot?
[08:27] <mdJake> bob2: I didn't know invoke_rc
[08:27] <danko123456> rigth.
[08:27] <kakalto> danko123456, which error?
[08:27] <danko123456> k, sec.
[08:27] <danko123456> pastebin it.
[08:27] <bob2> nubious: no, how would a reboot help?
[08:27] <bob2> nubious: paste the error to #flood
[08:27] <nubious> cant paste
[08:27] <nubious> <-- windows box
[08:27] <nubious> listen guys - I appreciate the help.. gf's waiting tho.. I gotta go
[08:28] <nubious> I'll be back tomorrow
[08:28] <danko123456> ik, now, after that, if it did it with no errors, ls /media/win
[08:28] <bob2> lord
[08:28] <nubious> thx tho
[08:28] <nubious> bbt
[08:28] <kakalto> danko123456, http://pastebin.com/283057
[08:28] <ik> danko123456 bash: /dev/hdb1: Permission denied
[08:29] <danko123456> ik, ugh, paste ls /dev to pastebin, please.
[08:29] <ik> danko123456 the folder contains can not be display
[08:29] <ali4728> Help How is it possible to move all_files from one directory to another in one go?
[08:29] <ik> ok
[08:30] <sauli> do anybody know how to make alsa and sounds work
[08:30] <danko123456> kakalto, clean install here, have you upgraded recently?
[08:30] <bob2> ali4728: sure
[08:30] <bob2> ali4728: mv blah/* fnord
[08:30] <kakalto> upgraded? no
[08:30] <danko123456> kakalto, pm.
[08:31] <ik> danko123456 its there in paste bin :)
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[08:31] <kakalto> I'm getting excited, I might have found the solution
[08:31] <kakalto> danko123456, pm?
[08:31] <bob2> ali4728: the second one, as always
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[08:31] <danko123456> kakalto: nothing...
[08:32] <pablo921> kakalto, what is the solution? I'm also waiting.
[08:32] <kakalto> pablo921, is your problem to do with libxvidcore4 aswell?
[08:33] <kakalto> 'cause I just down-graded libxvidcore4 to an earlier version, and I can install libxvidcore4-dev now
[08:33] <pablo921> kakalto,exactly
[08:33] <kakalto> try that?
[08:33] <pablo921> it's also required for dvdrip
[08:34] <pablo921> or i should say that transcode is
[08:34] <ik> danko123456 it say i dont have permision necesari to view /media/bin files
[08:34] <kakalto> Okay, I'm really annoyed now
[08:34] <danko123456> ls /dev, ik
[08:34] <danko123456> haha
[08:34] <benplaut> can i alien install VMware, or will i have to compile?
[08:34] <danko123456> :-p
[08:34] <kakalto> one of the dependancies to compile transcode, disables transcode
[08:35] <danko123456> ik, and paste to pastebin, please.,
[08:35] <danko123456> http://pastebin.com
[08:35] <bob2> benplaut: you can't compile it
[08:36] <bob2> benplaut: you can alien the userspace portion, but you will need to build the kernel bits yourself
[08:36] <ik> danko123456 its there in pastebieb
[08:36] <ik> pastebin
[08:36] <danko123456> iok, please give me the url...
[08:36] <danko123456> How come everyone thinks I know the URL?
[08:36] <ik> http://pastebin.com/283061
[08:37] <kakalto> I originally thought you'd just go to pastebin.com and click on the recent post
[08:37] <benplaut> bob2: difficult?
[08:37] <bob2> benplaut: I don't know.  presumably the vmware company will help you if you have problems.
[08:37] <benplaut> hmm
[08:37] <danko123456> ik, please type in "sudo mkdir /media/wnd" and press enter in a terminal, and taht should not say anything.
[08:38] <ik> ok
[08:38] <danko123456> ik, after that, "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/wnd -t ntfs -o umask 022" and enetr
[08:39] <ik> ok
[08:39] <danko123456> ok, then, and now for something completely different...
[08:39] <dr_willis> Hmm. isent there a program that helps you 'draw' a map of your local lan. showing machines/ip's and other notes/info?
[08:39] <dr_willis> i cant recall its name
[08:39] <pablo921>  kakalto, have you given up?
[08:39] <kakalto> pablo921, nope
[08:39] <kakalto> pablo921, but I know it's gonna be messy
[08:39] <ik> danko123456 it say usage
[08:40] <pablo921>  kakalto, i figured that. that's why i still don't have dvdrip installed.
[08:40] <danko123456> ik, please put it onto pastebin.
[08:40] <ik> ok
[08:41] <danko123456> pablo921, kakalto, on mine it is installed, not sure, why it is not on yours.
[08:41] <ik> danko123456 http://pastebin.com/283062
[08:42] <pablo921> danko123456, i am getting the exact same error as kakalto.
[08:42] <kakalto> danko123456, I can install transcode, the problem is that the default deb doesn't support avi transcoding
[08:44] <pablo921> kakalto, i can't even install transcode.
[08:45] <kakalto> okay, pablo921, have you tried the marillat repositories lately?
[08:46] <pablo921> i was told a couple of days ago that they were down, but when i update i get no message
[08:46] <shad0w1e> anyone have any clue why iwlist scan wlan0 -- would not be coming up with any results, but when I boot to another copy of linux, it does?
[08:47] <kakalto> pablo921, I managed to get them today.
[08:47] <pablo921> kakalto, i just updated and nothing
[08:47] <kakalto> pablo921, unlucky
[08:48] <pablo921> kakalto,yes,i guess so
[08:48] <shad0w1e> anyone know why my linux installation would not be able to find a wireless network?
[08:48] <pablo921> kakalto, fortunately i don't really have a urgent need for the app
[08:48] <kakalto> pablo921, good luck, you're gonna need it
[08:48] <kakalto> yeh
[08:49] <pablo921> kakalto, thanks, you too
[08:49] <kakalto> thanks :)
[08:50] <shad0w1e> could someone maybe give me some tips on getting my wireless adapter working?
[08:51] <dr_willis> Wireless networks are the next 'winmodem' fiasco :(
[08:51] <ermanox> ok I will give it a go DR
[08:51] <dr_willis> well wireless cards are. at least. :(
[08:51] <shad0w1e> linux picks up the card just fine, but when I do a scan, it says no networks found
[08:51] <danko123456> is yuor router setup accordign to the wiki?
[08:51] <shad0w1e> but when I boot to my old installation of linux, it finds it just fine
[08:51] <jsgotangco> what card is this?
[08:52] <shad0w1e> its the microsoft mn-720 using ndiswrapper
[08:52] <dr_willis> hmm. I always make my networks/router keep quiet so it isent seen by a scan.. i just enter the #'s and stuff manually
[08:52] <shad0w1e> ohh well I have broadcast on...
[08:52] <[Chameleon] > dr_willis: the "winmodem" aspect of WiFi cards can usually be handled well by ndiswrapper.
[08:52] <shad0w1e> why would that happen?
[08:53] <shad0w1e> when I boot off the other drive it find the network just fine
[08:53] <dr_willis> [Chameleon] ,  yea.  thats a good thing at least...
[08:53] <[Chameleon] > dr_willis: yeah, works well on my wife's FC3 laptop
[08:53] <dr_willis> still not as good as native driver support i guess. :(
[08:53] <shad0w1e> cmon guys, any guesses?
[08:53] <dr_willis> but some tmes ya just got to get the wifes pc working!
[08:54] <dr_willis> shad0w1e,  what is the other disrto you are running that works?
[08:54] <shad0w1e> same one
[08:54] <dr_willis> huh?
[08:54] <shad0w1e> hoary hedgehog
[08:54] <dr_willis> you got identical ubuntus installed twice?
[08:54] <danko123456> did you reboot, or anything, after you switched?
[08:54] <shad0w1e> the original one was warty upgraded to hoary
[08:54] <shad0w1e> this one is plain hoary
[08:55] <ik> danko123456 did u get my pastebin?
[08:55] <shad0w1e> they also might be different versions of ndiswrapper
[08:55] <danko123456> ik, yeah, it should mount...
[08:55] <danko123456> you sure the drive is ok?
[08:55] <shad0w1e> well, what kind of tests can I do on the card to make sure its working right?
[08:55] <ik> danko123456 yes but i cant see the files, it say no permision to view them
[08:56] <shad0w1e> oh and the new installation is using LILO boot, not GRUB
[08:56] <danko123456> so, it mounts?
[08:56] <ik> yes
[08:56] <[Chameleon] > dr_willis: native drivers are always preferred
[08:56] <danko123456> oh, ok then, shouldve said so.
[08:56] <danko123456> well, hm.. sudo ls /media/wnd
[08:56] <ik> ok
[08:57] <ik> but not there
[08:57] <danko123456> then it is not mounte,
[08:57] <ik> its in the /media/win
[08:58] <danko123456> ok...
[08:58] <danko123456> :)
[08:58] <ik> :)
[08:58] <ik> but i cant see the files
[08:58] <danko123456> hah, then they are not there?
[08:58] <ik> ls: /media/win: Permission denied
[08:58] <danko123456> sudo?
[08:59] <danko123456> :/
[08:59] <danko123456> :\
[08:59] <ik> uio@sos-dhcp081:~ $ sudo ls: /media/win: Permission denied
[08:59] <ik> sudo: ls:: command not found
[08:59] <ryan> i seem to have come across and odd problem
[08:59] <ryan> my synaptic entry in the administration menu has just vanished
[09:00] <ram_einstein> hey, I just install Ubuntu 5.04. I want to know how to set up my PPPoE ADSL connection. It uses eth0
[09:00] <ik> AUTOEXEC.BAT            hiberfil.sys  ntldr                      WINDOWS
[09:00] <ik> boot.ini                IO.SYS        pagefile.sys
[09:00] <ik> CONFIG.SYS              MSDOS.SYS     Program Files
[09:00] <ryan> well, a couple hours ago now i'd say
[09:00] <ryan> i've been trying to figure out a way to get it back for some time
[09:00] <kakalto> ram_einstein, have you seen www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:00] <danko123456> i, thats it, but pastebin works better, you can see easier.
[09:00] <ram_einstein> no kakalto, I will. Thanks
[09:00] <sir-gold> could somone look at my xorg.conf and tell me why dual-head big desktop isn't working right?
[09:00] <kakalto> s' alright
[09:00] <danko123456> ram, I know exactly how:)
[09:00] <ryan> i've tried getting menu editors, tried removing syanptic and purging and reinstalling it, reload the gnome panel and still nothing :<
[09:01] <ram_einstein> could you tell me danko123456?
[09:01] <danko123456> ram_einstein: right... pppoeconf, I suppose you know your password and that?
[09:01] <danko123456> its a nice ncurses GUI.
[09:01] <ik> danko123456 http://pastebin.com/283068
[09:01] <ram_einstein> yes danko123456
[09:01] <glassor> hi all, how do i install divx and xvid codecs.... apt-get install ?????
[09:02] <danko123456> ik, how about, ls /media/win ??
[09:02] <ram_einstein> just run pppoeconf from terminal eh? Thanks danko123456!
[09:02] <ik> ok
[09:02] <metalsand> Have you checked restricted formats?
[09:02] <shad0w1e> iwlist scan returns the error on wlan0: no scan results
[09:02] <danko123456> eh?
[09:02] <danko123456> :)
[09:02] <shad0w1e> glassor: they're already there
[09:02] <danko123456> if not, do a sudo chown $USER /media/win
[09:02] <ik> danko123456 http://pastebin.com/283068 thats /media/win
[09:02] <sir-gold> metalsand, did you ever get that wireless card working?
[09:02] <ram_einstein> I'll start Ubuntu and chat from there thanks danko123456
[09:03] <metalsand> Yes, sir-gold ;)
[09:03] <danko123456> without sudo.
[09:03] <glassor> totem writes me that it doesn't have the codec
[09:03] <metalsand> As I was researching gentoo
[09:03] <shad0w1e> cmon could someone help me with MY wireless card?
[09:03] <danko123456> try without.
[09:03] <metalsand> and everyone had no idea, I got it working.
[09:03] <sir-gold> metalsand, how?
[09:03] <danko123456> he says eh?>
[09:03] <danko123456> :)
[09:04] <ik> danko123456 do i have to change as a root to see the filez?
[09:04] <metalsand> the tx-power was set to some rediculously high level, and I noticed some errors in dmesg about tx power... So, I set it to the 23 dbm... Took the card out, restarted
[09:04] <IIIEars> glassor - grab libdvdcss-#.#.deb
[09:04] <metalsand> made sure all my files were correct, and I noticed a solid LED, I got my IP from DHCP... and... I'm connected ;)
[09:04] <bob2> so the problem was with the card
[09:05] <sir-gold> tx power was keeping it from showing up as wlan0?
[09:05] <danko123456> ik, does just ls /media/win work, or not, without sudo, taht is...
[09:05] <metalsand> The card worked in windows... For some reason in Linux the default tx-power was retarded.
[09:05] <IIIEars> I was wondering if i can back up a dvd and play it from the hard drive? - can you point me to the utility or application?
[09:05] <metalsand> No, sir-gold... HostAP drivers didn't show it, I deleted all that and started anew with wlan-ng drivers.
[09:05] <glassor> grab - command not found
[09:06] <danko123456> what, metalsand?
[09:06] <danko123456> you are installed?
[09:06] <ryan> does someone know where the system menu is read from?
[09:06] <IIIEars> lol
[09:06] <danko123456> like, your wireless?
[09:06] <ik> danko123456 ls: /media/win: Permission denied
[09:06] <metalsand> It was showing up as wlan0, but with a tx power of something like 2439 dBm
[09:06] <danko123456> weird, then do that command that I typed out above,
[09:06] <danko123456> sudo chown $USER /media/win
[09:06] <bob2> er, no
[09:06] <ik> ok
[09:07] <bob2> mount it properly
[09:07] <danko123456> metalsand: so yuo are saying your wireless works?
[09:07] <bob2> mount -o umask=002 ...
[09:07] <metalsand> Yes, danko123456
[09:07] <danko123456> wow!
[09:07] <danko123456> :)
[09:07] <metalsand> Yeah, and now I'm happily situated with Ubuntu.
[09:07] <metalsand> I'm glad it worked out
[09:07] <Nula> mount -o umask=0
[09:07] <metalsand> Gentoo would have been a nice experience to try, but I like Ubuntu.
[09:07] <danko123456> so, uh, does your laptop go to sleep when you close it?
[09:07] <Nula> if you want NTFS to be normal user readable
[09:08] <danko123456> nula says zero...
[09:08] <danko123456> I mounted it wrong:(
[09:08] <danko123456> bah.
[09:08] <Nula> then remount it
[09:08] <kakalto> so close!
[09:08] <ik> so its posible to fix that?
[09:08] <kakalto> and yet so far...
[09:08] <danko123456> sudo umount /media/win
[09:08] <metalsand> ik, have you tried this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[09:09] <danko123456> yours is b.
[09:09] <danko123456> hdb, that is.
[09:09] <metalsand> Hey bob2
[09:09] <metalsand> When I start I get a ror: fail
[09:09] <Nula> /dev/hda#       /media/win      ntfs            umask=0                 0      0    .. add this to your /etc/fstab .. do a mkdir /media/win before though
[09:09] <metalsand> Any idea what that is?
[09:10] <danko123456> hdb1
[09:10] <Nula> # corresponds to partition number of your windows installation, eg hda1, hda2 etc
[09:10] <danko123456> hdb1
[09:11] <ik> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/wnd mount -o umask=0? like this is ok?
[09:11] <IIIEars> << located tools to recover deleted partitions "testdisk" and "smartlinux"
[09:11] <Nula> ik, yes
[09:11] <ik> ok :)
[09:11] <Nula> well
[09:11] <Nula> except the secon mount
[09:12] <Nula> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/wnd -o umask=0
[09:12] <ik> ok
[09:12] <bob2> metalsand: when you start what?
[09:12] <metalsand> Ubuntu
[09:12] <metalsand> Hold on, I'll get the exact message
[09:12] <danko123456> ik, like they said, eventually you willl want it to automount, so add to fstab
[09:12] <metalsand> Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel
[09:12] <metalsand> Starting Ubuntu...
[09:12] <ik> ok
[09:12] <danko123456> haha
[09:13] <danko123456> like the name resolution?
[09:13] <danko123456> temp error in name resolution...
[09:13] <metalsand> Yeah
[09:13] <danko123456> ror...
[09:13] <metalsand> Weird
[09:13] <ik> Nula mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /media/wnd busy
[09:13] <ik> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is mounted on /media/win
[09:13] <bob2> metalsand: you haven't shown us the error yet
[09:13] <metalsand> That time it went through without errors, but you know what I'm talking bout dano?
[09:13] <danko123456> your network isnt loaded at that point.
[09:13] <benplaut> is it weird to join a channel just to say goodnight?
[09:13] <metalsand> dank*
[09:14] <danko123456> dano is fine, Im dan.":)
[09:14] <Nula> ik, sudo umount /media/wnd
[09:14] <ik> ok
[09:14] <Nula> ik, sudo unmount /media/wnd
[09:14] <metalsand> Ah. I'm Ryan. :P
[09:14] <danko123456> sudo umount /media/win
[09:14] <Nula> heh
[09:14] <metalsand> You can call me Little King
[09:14] <Nula> I was right the first time
[09:14] <metalsand> (That's what it means in Irish) ;)
[09:14] <AvvY> whats with Firefox only installing version 1.0.2 when you run the apt-get upgrade command? Why doesn't it install 1.0.3 or the newer 1.0.4?
[09:14] <danko123456> or, big prince?hey?
[09:15] <danko123456> cause youre greedy:)
[09:15] <bob2> AvvY: er, because hoary is stable
[09:15] <g14> AvvY, Ubuntu backports all security fixes from 1.03 and 1.04 into 1.02
[09:15] <bob2> AvvY: that means it doesn't change
[09:15] <AvvY> Oh really?
[09:15] <g14> AvvY, 1.03 and 1.04 are the same with security fixes applied
[09:15] <IIIEars> bob2 - nice
[09:15] <g14> AvvY, yes
[09:16] <ik> Nula your the best :DDDD now i see the filez :)))) thanks a lot :))
[09:16] <AvvY> so the 1.0.2 update i just installed has the 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 security fixes?
[09:16] <bob2> AvvY: probably
[09:16] <Nula> ik, welcome :)!
[09:16] <ik> :)
[09:16] <danko123456> they are read only...
[09:16] <Nula> ik, you know if you restart you will have to remount it right?
[09:17] <Nula> that's why I said add it to fstab
[09:17] <ram_einstein> ah! my interent connection is now up on Ubuntu
[09:17] <ik> Nula oh ok thankyou i do it then
[09:17] <metalsand> What's nerim.net?
[09:17] <metalsand> Outside repostries for Ubuntu?
[09:17] <Nula> mplayer repositories
[09:18] <Nula> from debian mplayer maintainer
[09:18] <IIIEars> Welcome ram_einstien :)
[09:18] <ram_einstein> how do I mount another Linux disk the safe way?
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> he makes mplayer with stupid default
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> s
[09:18] <ram_einstein> :) IIIEars
[09:18] <g14> AvvY, Try less /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/changelog.Debian.gz That will show you which security updates have been applied
[09:18] <Nula> and the gayest default skin too
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> once you've installed it - change vo=x11 to vo=xv in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[09:18] <HrdwrBoB> Nula: that's not so much of a problem though
[09:18] <Nula> mplayer needs to get gtk2.x face lift
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Nula, please watch your language
[09:19] <ram_einstein> I know how to edit fstab but I don't want to...
[09:19] <Nula> or some better interface.. it's very unorganized compared to totem
[09:19] <ram_einstein> I don't want to screw anything up
[09:19] <HrdwrBoB> Nula: no-one uses the mplayer gui
[09:19] <danko123456> ram_einstein: you wont, you can also mount it with mount.
[09:19] <IIIEars> Can i use Totem to record a DVD to hard disk?
[09:19] <Nula> HrdwrBoB, true.. even though it's the best video player imho, I don't use it because it lacks the gui
[09:19] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: no
[09:20] <ram_einstein> mount /dev/hda0 will do?
[09:20] <ram_einstein> it's a Fedora core 3 disk
[09:20] <ram_einstein> with lvm
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> Nula: mplayer's primary problem is distributability; ie, you can't.
[09:20] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - What app shoul i use?
[09:20] <Nula> doesn't xine suffer the same problem?
[09:20] <g14> IIIEars, try thoggen
[09:20] <Nula> and xinelib in general
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: dvdrip will do it
[09:20] <IIIEars> Great! - Thank You.
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> Nula: less so than mplayer
[09:20] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: you need to access the LVM device
[09:21] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, dvdrip is uglier, but faster
[09:21] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, thoggen is nice, but very alpha right now
[09:21] <ram_einstein> yes [Chameleon] 
[09:21] <IIIEars> Fast is good. :)
[09:21] <Nula> HrdwrBoB, howcome?? you are telling me xine isn't stepping on any patents?
[09:21] <Nula> and still able to play all these formats?
[09:21] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: something like /dev/mapper/Volume00-LogVol00
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> Nula: mplayer is barely licensed
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> at all
[09:21] <Nula> hmm
[09:21] <ram_einstein> something like that [Chameleon] 
[09:21] <danko123456> ram_einstein: you have to moutn to somewhere, as well, somethign to somewhere, but yes, I think it should do it.
[09:21] <g14> Burgundavia, Yes it's alpha, but I haven't had any problems with it. Have you?
[09:21] <kakalto> Could someone help? I need the package "libavcodeccvs-dev"?
[09:21] <kakalto> I can't find it anywhere
[09:21] <Burgundavia> g14, slow and choppy output
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> Nula: it's stupidly ridiculously complicated
[09:22] <sir-gold> could somone look at my xorg.conf and tell me why dual-head big desktop isn't working right?
[09:22] <ram_einstein> yeah danko123456, I'll take care of that. /mnt/fedoradisk or something
[09:22] <danko123456> right
[09:22] <Nula> HrdwrBoB, it's sad :( software patents are a problem in many cases
[09:22] <danko123456> k, I think I am too tired to be of use...
[09:22] <g14> Burgundavia, On my AMD64 I've never had any problems with it
[09:23] <danko123456> ram_einstein: you like pppoeconf now, right?
[09:23] <sir-gold> www.pastebin.com/283067
[09:23] <danko123456> its a nice program.eh?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> g14, hmm, is very nice interface though
[09:23] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: `sudo lvm lvs`  should give you a good idea
[09:23] <ram_einstein> yes danko123456 but I thought Fedora was better
[09:23] <ram_einstein> okay [Chameleon]  thanks
[09:23] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: np
[09:23] <kakalto> never mind guys, I found it... along with some dependancy issues
[09:23] <g14> Burgundavia, they made a dvd ripper with gnome hig love. Very nice project
[09:24] <[Chameleon] > :)
[09:24] <Burgundavia> g14, yes, hopefully it will become part of the default
[09:24] <metalsand> Are the backports useful to have?
[09:24] <metalsand> Or is there any danger?
[09:25] <ram_einstein> there's a logvol00 and a logvol01... logvol01 is probably swap?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> metalsand, backports break upgrades
[09:25] <g14> metalsand, the general consensus (from what I've heard) seems to be that backports are evil
[09:25] <metalsand> Great
[09:26] <Burgundavia> what specific one do you need
[09:26] <metalsand> I don't specifically need antyhing
[09:26] <ram_einstein> :) [Chameleon]  that's nice. Running ubuntu for 2 days...
[09:26] <metalsand> What's on the backports?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> if you don't need/want things from a non-ubuntu source, don't get it
[09:27] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: yeah, I ran Red Hat since 7.1 and all the way through to FC3 until I screwed up my LVM a couple days ago by accidentally running fsck on my mounted / filesystem.
[09:27] <g14> [Chameleon] , ouch
[09:27] <kakalto> >.<
[09:27] <ram_einstein> ><
[09:27] <ram_einstein> I love FC3
[09:28] <kakalto> I don't >_>
[09:28] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: I meant to run it on a Neuros music player connected via USB, but I was tired and screwed up.
[09:28] <[Chameleon] > fortunately, Ubuntu found my partitions on install and I didn't lose my data.
[09:28] <[Chameleon] > Yay for Ubuntu!
[09:29] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: I enjoyed FC3 while I ran it, too. But I'm digging Ubuntu
[09:29] <g14> I still bluecurve-ify the icons because human is an ugly theme
[09:29] <g14> But ubuntu is a better distro
[09:29] <ram_einstein> usb sticks don't work too well here
[09:29] <[Chameleon] > it's certainly different
[09:29] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: this is more than a USB stick
[09:29] <g14> BSD init scares me
[09:30] <veritas> How can I see my nick in IRSSI? :x
[09:30] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: It's a Digital Audio Computer that talk USB Storage
[09:30] <g14> SysVInit is so much better
[09:30] <ram_einstein> gl4 there's no such thing as better. Fedora is more evolved I feel
[09:30] <ram_einstein> screwed [Chameleon] 
[09:30] <veritas> g14.. It isn't illegal to dump data in the US is it?
[09:31] <g14> ram_einstein, FC3 has some really nice stuff like selinux and udev but ubuntu has more polish
[09:31] <ram_einstein> mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or fedoradisk/ busy
[09:31] <ram_einstein> Thats what I mean by screwed up
[09:31] <ram_einstein> I umounted it but still..
[09:31] <g14> little stuff like a pretty xscreensaver lock dialog really matter to newbie computer users (Like the machine I set up for my parents)
[09:31] <benplaut> goodnight everyone!
[09:31] <Seveas> g14, ubuntu has udev too...
[09:31] <ram_einstein> gl4, don't kid me! Fedora has everything
[09:31] <quadline> good morning
[09:32] <benplaut> hawaii...
[09:32] <Burgundavia> ram_einstein, to be honest, ubuntu has more the in repos, due to its Debian heritage
[09:32] <ram_einstein> Fedora has anaconda which I prefer over the debian installer
[09:32] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: unmount /dev/hda2 and remount the LVM devices
[09:32] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: FC3 is prettier.
[09:32] <ram_einstein> probably Burgundavia I wouldn't know
[09:32] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: but looks aren't everything.
[09:33] <ram_einstein> umount: /dev/hda2: not mounted
[09:33] <IIIEars> FC3 - isn't for everyone. - lol
[09:33] <[Chameleon] > is fedoradisk/ busy?
[09:33] <Seveas> FC3 is quite crappy compared to ubuntu imho
[09:33] <ram_einstein> [Chameleon] , not at all. Fedora has the ultimate power
[09:33] <[Chameleon] > on FC3 I had to install apt for rpm to get what I wanted.
[09:33] <g14> [Chameleon] , FC3 is an older version of gnome. You can get the bluecurve icons for ubuntu really easily
[09:33] <ram_einstein> your opinion not taken Seveas
[09:33] <[Chameleon] > g14: yeah, I know.
[09:34] <[Chameleon] > g14: I kind of dig the default theme. It's different
[09:34] <ram_einstein> gl4, FC4 is out on June 6th
[09:34] <ram_einstein> what do you expect from FC3?
[09:34] <[Chameleon] > yep
[09:34] <g14> Seveas, not trying to start a flamewar. What makes fedora "crappy"
[09:34] <[Chameleon] > I almost waited for FC4
[09:34] <[Chameleon] > but I couldn't
[09:34] <ram_einstein> yeah?
[09:34] <[Chameleon] > I'll probably put FC4 on some other machines here at home
[09:34] <IIIEars> gorrilla_ - nice corner. (smells gorilla breath and offers a mint,)
[09:35] <[Chameleon] > like my wife's... Unless she's switched to Ubuntu by then. :)
[09:35] <Seveas> g14, well, this might be due to sysadmins at my work, but it was a complete mess when i tried it
[09:35] <kakalto> I thought fedora was too much of "every-package-that-can-be-installed-is-installed" feeling
[09:35] <ram_einstein> FC4T3 out yesterday... you might want to try it
[09:35] <[Chameleon] > The only thing I don't like about Ubuntu is the lack of software in the base install.
[09:35] <[Chameleon] > but, that's easily overcome.
[09:35] <ram_einstein> kakalto, not at all..
[09:35] <g14> Seveas, it was probably the admins at work. Serverside, I think redhat is better than debian, much more so
[09:35] <kakalto> ubuntu gives me a feeling of "most-packages-I-need-are-installed-but-not-all-packages"
[09:35] <gorilla_> IIIEars: :-)
[09:35] <[Chameleon] > kakalto: heh, funny that I feel almost opposite.
[09:35] <ram_einstein> [Chameleon] , like what and how is it overcome?
[09:35] <Seveas> ram_einstein, if you prefer FC, why are you here? (honest question, no flamebait)
[09:36] <[Chameleon] > different strokes for different folks.
[09:36] <IIIEars> Chameleon - that is a plus - make Ubuntu what you want it to be. 0ne disk install! :)
[09:36] <kakalto> IMHO, fedora was too bloaty
[09:36] <ram_einstein> Seveas, I wanted to try Debian!
[09:36] <Seveas> ram_einstein, good call to try ubuntu then :)
[09:36] <ram_einstein> kakalto, nah... 4 cds is nothing
[09:36] <[Chameleon] > IIIEars: I do agree with the 1 disc install
[09:36] <[Chameleon] > not sure it's easier
[09:36] <[Chameleon] > what about off-line installs
[09:36] <ryman> finally I got my ubuntu customized , it looks pretty sweet now ... This will make my gf change from xp to ubuntu
[09:36] <Seveas> ram_einstein, if you're in for experimenting try debian sarge too when it's released
[09:36] <[Chameleon] > like at an install fest?
[09:36] <kakalto> ram_einstein, I suppose I'm just used to things like ubuntu and gentoo, where you have 1 cd
[09:36] <[Chameleon] > can't always get internet
[09:36] <ram_einstein> Seveas, someone on #debian resommended strongly that I try it
[09:36] <g14> IMHO, fc is a bit bloaty but making it a 1 cd install only took me a few hours
[09:37] <ram_einstein> Seveas, I have it already.... I can'
[09:37] <[Chameleon] > FC is a bit bloated.
[09:37] <Seveas> a *bit*?
[09:37] <ram_einstein> I can't figure out a damn thing
[09:37] <[Chameleon] > but it's good for many.
[09:37] <[Chameleon] > just like Ubuntu is good for many
[09:37] <[Chameleon] > we CAN all peacefully coexist
[09:37] <sir-gold> debian is a linux users distro
[09:37] <ram_einstein> I like the 4cds
[09:37] <kakalto> hehe
[09:37] <Seveas> ram_einstein, that's because FC uses crap like service blabla update and othe incompatible stuff
[09:38] <g14> Seveas, Well you have ubuntu, kubuntu, xbuntu, etc, etc. fedora has that on the same install set
[09:38] <sir-gold> ubuntu is a beginners distro
[09:38] <Seveas> ram_einstein, and let's not get started on glibc incompatibility :S
[09:38] <ram_einstein> Seveas, you don't know fedora
[09:38] <Seveas> ram_einstein, i do know fedora
[09:38] <Seveas> i have to work with it
[09:38] <ram_einstein> don't give me nonsense
[09:38] <g14> Seveas, personally, I think debian is crap. Ubuntu is the first usable debian distro in my opinion
[09:38] <ram_einstein> yes sir-gold that's why I went for it instead of Sarge
[09:38] <Seveas> g14, my opinion too actually :)
[09:38] <gorilla_> ram_einstein, I have laso been bitten by libc problems....
[09:39] <ram_einstein> never happened
[09:39] <ram_einstein> *happened to me
[09:39] <IIIEars> hm - "xbuntu" - back to google.
[09:39] <Seveas> ram_einstein, FC and redhat always introduce incompatible patches to things like linc, gcc, kernel etc...
[09:39] <ram_einstein> nah...
[09:39] <Seveas> i've been bitten by that dozens of times
[09:39] <g14> IIIEars, it is ubuntu without gnome and with xfce4 instead
[09:39] <ram_einstein> if you know what to pick, nothing is incompatible
[09:39] <Seveas> ram_einstein, just download the srpm and see
[09:39] <[Chameleon] > gorilla_: hey, didn't you used to hang out in #linuxtalk?
[09:39] <g14> Seveas, incompatible as in what?
[09:39] <Seveas> ram_einstein, that's nonsense
[09:40] <hannibal> which kernel is ubuntu using?
[09:40] <Seveas> g14, incompatible as in binary incompatibility
[09:40] <ram_einstein> I've never has problems! I downloaded so much
[09:40] <IIIEars> That sounds great! - It would run faster on older hardware?
[09:40] <sir-gold> 2.6.10
[09:40] <Seveas> ram_einstein, it's a programmers hell
[09:40] <hannibal> thanks :)
[09:40] <Seveas> if you download for FC, it'll work on FC
[09:40] <ram_einstein> where can I see what is mounted where presently? mtab doesn't list all?
[09:40] <g14> Seveas, yes but it also is good for speed and security
[09:40] <[Chameleon] > anybody in here got ATI binary drivers working and accelerating 3D on AMD64?
[09:40] <Seveas> g14, not really...
[09:40] <[Chameleon] > SysInfo: Linux 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic |  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ 2210.117 MHz | Bogomips: 4374.52 | Mem: 599/999M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 19.62G Free: 8.72G | Procs: 104 | Uptime: 1 day 2 hrs 31 mins 8 secs  | Load: 3.07 2.97 1.99  | Vpenis: Buffer Overflow! | Screen: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000]  (rev 01) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth1: In: 14.59G Out: 585.16M
[09:40] <Seveas> FC3 is quite insecure
[09:41] <IIIEars> some poor guy was trying to install Ubuntu on a system with 16megs of ram last night.
[09:41] <Seveas> omg...
[09:41] <[Chameleon] > heh
[09:41] <ram_einstein> Seveas, KDevelop is the MOST EVOLVED Development environment
[09:41] <sauli> warning dont install 2.6.10 because after that you cant type anything
[09:41] <g14> ram_einstein, actually it is eclipse
[09:41] <Seveas> ram_einstein, that has nothing to do with this
[09:41] <[Chameleon] > sauli: uhh, I'm on 2.6.10
[09:41] <Seveas> and indeed, g14 is right :)
[09:41] <ram_einstein> yeah Seveas... KDE
[09:41] <[Chameleon] > Seveas: l8r
[09:41] <sir-gold> hoary is 2.6.10 by default
[09:41] <g14> later Seveas
[09:41] <bassMonkey> ;P
[09:42] <ram_einstein> gl4, yeah, just adapted by KDE
[09:42] <g14> Seveas, We will talk later
[09:42] <[Chameleon] > sauli: and you are on 2.6.10 as well
[09:42] <[Chameleon] > :)
[09:42] <ram_einstein> where can I see what is mounted where presently? mtab doesn't list all?
[09:42] <metalsand> g14: What use does Etheral have that kismet can't do?
[09:42] <g14> ram_einstein, I know about kdevelop. It is awesome. Ecliplse with c and C++ plugins is just better
[09:42] <sauli> I try it and after that not possible type nothing
[09:42] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: type mount
[09:42] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: with no parameters
[09:42] <g14> metalsand, it has a gui
[09:42] <sir-gold> i tried the 2.6.11 from debian, and it made the whole pc lock up when i downloaded anything using konqueror
[09:43] <[Chameleon] > anybody in here got ATI binary drivers working and accelerating 3D on AMD64?
[09:43] <metalsand> g14: Do you use kismet for anything other than dumping?
[09:43] <ram_einstein> thnaks [Chameleon] !
[09:43] <g14> metalsand, still working on hacking some wireless?
[09:43] <[Chameleon] > ram_einstein: yeah
[09:43] <ram_einstein> /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:43] <g14> metalsand, yes I actually use it for monitoring networks just like I use tcpdump
[09:43] <ram_einstein> how do I mount it here then?
[09:43] <metalsand> g14: just getting acquainted with different software
[09:43] <ram_einstein> can't?
[09:43] <ryan> i see to have an odd problem on my hands, my synaptic entry in the administration menu has just vanished for no apparent reason. anyone know where i need to remake the entry so i have it back? i've been digging forever with no success :/
[09:44] <metalsand> g14: I thought the primary purpose of Ethereal was to monitor networks in real time through dumped files?
[09:44] <ram_einstein> [Chameleon] , it just outputs mtab...
[09:44] <g14> metalsand, or to monitor saved network dumps
[09:45] <g14> metalsand, ethereal is great for debugging network failures or network forensics
[09:45] <sir-gold> is threre no menu editor for gnome?
[09:45] <metalsand> g14: better than kismet?
[09:45] <ram_einstein> can I get KDE 3.4 for ubuntu? using some apt-get or something?
[09:45] <[Chameleon] > sir-gold: not any more
[09:45] <sir-gold> ram_einstein, kubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <g14> metalsand, gui vs tui. I prefer kismet and other tools like hunt or dsniff
[09:46] <[Chameleon] > sir-gold: I almost made one a while back, but I gave up
[09:46] <sir-gold> ram_einstein, that will give you kde and a bunch of kde apps
[09:46] <g14> what about the menueditor on the ubuntu forums?
[09:46] <g14> Not smeg, but the other one
[09:46] <g14> works ok for me
[09:46] <metalsand> g14: and you use weplab... Does it function in real time pdumping?
[09:46] <ryan> nevermind
[09:47] <ram_einstein> sir-gold, not installed by default?
[09:47] <sir-gold> kde has a very nice integrated menu editor...
[09:47] <g14> metalsand, I normally stop kismet and then run weplab but thats just me
[09:47] <IIIEars> ryan - stick around we would love to help you.
[09:47] <ryan> 3 hours later i finally manage to figure out that something in my .local/share folder was causing the disappearance of my synaptic entry
[09:47] <ryan> thanks anyway
[09:47] <sir-gold> ram, if you want kde by default, use a kubuntu cd instead
[09:47] <metalsand> g14: Do you believe weplab to have use the most modern time effecient WEP cracking techniques?
[09:48] <ram_einstein> ubuntu cd comeswith gnome eh?
[09:48] <sir-gold> i don't know if gnome is on the cd itself, but ubuntu sets up gnome
[09:48] <sir-gold> kubutu sets up kde
[09:49] <g14> metalsand, I have used airsnort and weplab. With airsnort, it will crack sniffed packets in realtime but I think weplab is fastest for me
[09:49] <sir-gold> thats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[09:50] <ram_einstein> "system is up to date it says", I have ooo 1.1.3 and kernel 2.6.10
[09:50] <g14> ram_einstein, Kernel security stuff is backported
[09:50] <IIIEars> sir-gold - "KDE" and the Konquerer web browser
[09:50] <g14> ram_einstein, OO.o isn't even stable yet
[09:50] <metalsand> What's 00 :x
[09:51] <IIIEars> there is also "Xbuntu" with XFCE
[09:51] <ram_einstein> what!? ooo 1.1.4 is very stable as far as I know gl4
[09:51] <ram_einstein> openoffice.org
[09:51] <ram_einstein> it's an office suite metalsand
[09:51] <metalsand> Hrm
[09:51] <metalsand> Well, I'm heading to bed
[09:51] <ram_einstein> like Migrozoft Offize
[09:51] <metalsand> AP Economics test in 5 hours
[09:51] <metalsand> Adios.
[09:51] <sir-gold> OO.o is somehow related to staroffice, if you have heard of that
[09:52] <g14> ram_einstein, I meant OO.o 2
[09:52] <ram_einstein> yeah thats beta
[09:53] <ram_einstein> yeah sir-gold, staroffice is the pay version
[09:53] <ram_einstein> not the same company though
[09:54] <Lob2k> Guerin: could it possibly be under hda2?
[09:54] <Seveas> staroffice is based on OOo
[09:54] <Seveas> and sun (the ones that sel staroffice) is the main sponser of OOo
[09:54] <ram_einstein> yes Seveas
[09:54] <ram_einstein> ooo is free and really nice though
[09:55] <Seveas> indeed
[09:55] <Seveas> but i like Abiword :)
[09:55] <Seveas> or better: vim & LaTeX
[09:55] <transgress> anyone have a wireless webcam?  i'm trying to work on a convenient way to set up a motion sensor webcam on viewing my front porch
[09:55] <transgress> but my room is across the house
[09:55] <ram_einstein> Seveas, :)
[09:56] <g14> transgress, I have set this up for a friend and it works well for something like what you want: http://www.zoneminder.com/
[09:56] <geoffroy__> hello dudes
[09:56] <sir-gold> could somone look at my xorg.conf and tell me why dual-head big desktop isn't working right?
[09:56] <sir-gold> www.pastebin.com/283067
[09:57] <geoffroy__> does anyone know if i can play mp3 shared by samba with xmms or other media player ?
[09:57] <transgress> thanks g14
[09:57] <g14> np
[09:57] <Seveas> geoffroy__, sure you can
[09:57] <geoffroy__> oh ?
[09:58] <geoffroy__> I remember, with warty I could do that without changing anything
[09:58] <geoffroy__> and I can't anymore with hoary
[09:58] <g14> transgress, when you get it working, put a howto in the fourms
[09:58] <g14> *forums
[09:58] <Seveas> but if your mp3 player does not understand gnome-vfs you will have to mount the samba share instead of dragging mp3's from a nautilus smb:// window
[09:58] <transgress> heh i'm more of looking for a wireless webcam
[09:58] <transgress> or a way to run a usb cam across the house without making it in the way
[09:58] <geoffroy__> ok
[09:59] <ram_einstein> thanks all I have to go now...
[09:59] <sir-gold> transgress, there are network webcams
[09:59] <g14> transgress, look at x10 wireless webcams
[09:59] <sir-gold> with a cat5 to wifi adaptor you could make it wireless
[10:00] <ram_einstein> hey, are you all on gnome?
[10:00] <sir-gold> no
[10:00] <g14> yep
[10:00] <ram_einstein> kde sir-gold?
[10:00] <sir-gold> yeah
[10:01] <ram_einstein> gl4 ever used KDE?
[10:01] <g14> http://www.digitalprognosis.com/pics/Screenshot.png my desktop
[10:01] <ram_einstein> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop sir-gold ?
[10:01] <sir-gold> yeah, i think so
[10:01] <g14> ram_einstein, I've used linux for about 8 years, yes I've tried out kde
[10:01] <g14> kde is too cluttered
[10:01] <sir-gold> that may give you more apps that you want tho
[10:02] <g14> k3b is still the best linux cd burning app
[10:02] <g14> But gnome-baker or graveman are promising
[10:02] <Seveas> g14, the latest kde is quite nice though (I still don't like it, but plastik is an improvement)
[10:02] <ram_einstein> you bet! I love k3b! but I don't have it here
[10:02] <sir-gold> kde seems a little more user-friendly
[10:02] <ram_einstein> ... and I'm not familiar with apt..
[10:02] <g14> I kind of like the was SuSE uses keramik to make gtk and qt apps look the same
[10:02] <ram_einstein> yes sir-gold I thought so too!
[10:03] <Seveas> sir-gold, well not really, it's too clutterd & bloated still for that
[10:03] <g14> kde is more windowsy
[10:03] <Chipparn> i cant get wmv files to work with totem,Vlc or any other media player.. does it even works or have i been wasting my time trying to fix it?
[10:03] <g14> kde has way too much clutter
[10:03] <g14> I have a gnome desktop configured very similar to look like windows
[10:03] <Seveas> Chipparn, have you installed the w32codecs?
[10:03] <g14> http://www.digitalprognosis.com/pics/Screenshot.png
[10:03] <sir-gold> what do you mean too much clutter?
[10:03] <Chipparn> Seveas: yes
[10:04] <ram_einstein> hey apt-get install k3b doesn't do much
[10:04] <g14> Why does a cvs browser need to be directly in the filebrowser?
[10:04] <ram_einstein> yeah it's standard desktop screenshot gl4
[10:04] <transgress> anyone know a place to get extension cables for usb?  i know it's only supposed to go like 10 feet or something but i bet it'll work fine going about 25... i just worked out a nice way to run it to my room
[10:04] <g14> How many sane developers even use cvs?
[10:04] <Seveas> Chipparn, are the wmv files DRM protected?
[10:04] <g14> Better yet, how many desktop users use cvs?
[10:04] <Chipparn> Seveas: when i try to run wmv files its all messed up .. like the file is broken or something.
[10:04] <Seveas> ram_einstein, have you enabled universe?
[10:04] <Chipparn> Seveas. how do i know that?
[10:04] <ram_einstein> universe Seveas what is that?
[10:04] <Seveas> Chipparn, with *all* wmv files?
[10:05] <g14> If it doesn't need to be there, it shouldn't be. That is why gnome and the Human Interface Guidelines make it easier
[10:05] <Seveas> ram_einstein, search for the AddingRepostoriesHowto (oslt) on the ubuntu wiki
[10:05] <Seveas> it contains most of the software
[10:05] <Chipparn> Seveas: yes .. all i have tried.. about 20 of them,, all the same
[10:05] <ram_einstein> okay Seveas thanks
[10:05] <Seveas> Chipparn, if they are not too big, can you send me 1 to test please
[10:05] <g14> night all
[10:05] <g14> I need to work tomorrow
[10:05] <Seveas> g'nicht g14
[10:05] <ram_einstein> night gl4
[10:06] <Chipparn> Seveas: shure.
[10:06] <Chipparn> Seveas: hold on
[10:06] <Seveas> Chipparn, please e-mail it to dennis@kaarsemkaer.net (no dcc please)
[10:07] <ram_einstein> Later.
[10:08] <Chipparn> Seveas: ok.. well i dont think its any idea.. the file i have is about 16 mb.. ill try to look for a smaller.
[10:08] <Seveas> ok :)
[10:09] <super_dude2> i got errors when tring to get limwire to run how do got the right java dir?
[10:09] <paul_> can anyone tell me how to mount my other partitions? I cant access my windows partition?
[10:09] <Chipparn> Seveas: but what do you think the problem is?.. the wmv files i have played is all green and messy with pixels big as hell..
[10:10] <Seveas> paul_, which partition is your windows partition and is it fat or ntfs?
[10:10] <kakalto> hey guys, I can't install a package, because another package seems to conflict. but I require both packages to compile a program, could someone help? the exact error is at http://pastebin.com/283083 .
[10:10] <Seveas> Chipparn, no idea, i've had this with some files but most of them play well
[10:10] <Seveas> i wanted to try to get some debugging information :)
[10:11] <Seveas> kakalto, ehm, that's weird, why would you need 2 versions of the same package to be installed??
[10:11] <CicalaMvta> kakalto, try dpkg --force-overwrite
[10:11] <geoffroy__> Seveas, just a question, my shared music is on smb://lala/music
[10:11] <Seveas> that's never going to work
[10:12] <kakalto> Seveas, I wouldn't know
[10:12] <geoffroy__> shouldn't mount -t smbfs /home..... smb://... work ?
[10:12] <kakalto> Seveas, you mean CicalaMvta's idea will never work?
[10:12] <Seveas> geoffroy__, no
[10:12] <Seveas> apt-get install smbfs
[10:12] <Seveas> mount -t smbfs \\\\server\\share /mount/point
[10:12] <Seveas> and some extra options :)
[10:12] <geoffroy__> okay, i'll try
[10:12] <geoffroy__> thank you
[10:13] <kakalto> Seveas ?
[10:13] <Seveas> kakalto, that might work
[10:13] <ben_> how important is using a firewall with Ubuntu? I only surf trusted websites.. do I still need one?
[10:13] <Seveas> but I envision big problems coming your way when you do that :)
[10:13] <kakalto> Seveas, that sounds re-assuring :)
[10:13] <Seveas> ben_, by default no services are installed, so if you don't install any, a firewall is not too necccessary
[10:13] <johng> got my bag of ubuntu cds today!
[10:13] <Seveas> nice johng
[10:14] <Seveas> were are you from?
[10:14] <ben_> what do you mean by services?
[10:14] <Seveas> things that listen for incoming connections like apache, sshd etc....
[10:14] <johng> london
[10:14] <johng> I'm giving them out at work
[10:14] <super_dude2> exir
[10:14] <kakalto> johng, is that hoary cds?
[10:14] <johng> yeh
[10:14] <kakalto> kewl
[10:14] <Seveas> geoffroy__, if you can;t work ot the correct options just ask me :)
[10:15] <kakalto> I'm still waiting >:)
[10:15] <geoffroy__> SMB connection failed
[10:15] <geoffroy__> what do you think of it ?
[10:15] <Seveas> hmm
[10:15] <ben_> so why is it so necessary to run a firewall on windows? i use the kerio firewall and according to the log ive never been "attacked" or whatever you might call it
[10:15] <geoffroy__> and I have access by Nautilus
[10:15] <Seveas> is it a share for which you need to login geoffroy__ ?
[10:15] <johng> very fast delivery considering it's free, big respect to the ubuntu team
[10:15] <revelater> java anyone?
[10:15] <geoffroy__> yeah
[10:15] <geoffroy__> mount -t smbfs -o username=Geoffroy //lala/E/music /home/geoffroy/Desktop/Music
[10:15] <ben_> all my software firewall for windows appears to do it check before programs can use the internet
[10:15] <geoffroy__> no password
[10:15] <geoffroy__> just a nick
[10:16] <Seveas> geoffroy__, this will not work by the way
[10:16] <revelater> or more appropriatly, does anyone know how to get java up and running?
[10:16] <Seveas> you cannot mount folders inside shares
[10:16] <geoffroy__> oh
[10:16] <Seveas> only the shares themself
[10:16] <Seveas> so \\\\lala\\E
[10:17] <revelater> anyone?
[10:17] <kakalto> CicalaMvta, I tried that, it just said that the package conflicts
[10:17] <Seveas> revelater, download the .bin installer from sun, install java-package and run make-jpkg binfile
[10:17] <Seveas> that'll create a deb, which you can install with dpkg -i
[10:17] <revelater> Seveas: shouldn't their be a binary?
[10:17] <revelater> in synaptic?
[10:17] <Seveas> revelater, no, due to legal issues
[10:18] <Seveas> sun doesn't allow people to distribute debs
[10:18] <revelater> thats anyoning...
[10:18] <revelater> anoying
[10:18] <revelater> ?
[10:18] <revelater> i can't spell
[10:18] <Seveas> indeed, but completely beyond our control
[10:18] <CicalaMvta> kakalto, I don't understand why you need both packages: libavcodeccvs-dev *and* libavcodec-dev_3%3a0.cvs20050121-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:18] <Seveas> and the make-jpkg command creates a deb that'll integreat just as good as other debs
[10:18] <revelater> my spelling or the licencing?
[10:19] <Seveas> lol, the licensing ;)
[10:19] <revelater> :P
[10:19] <revelater> lol
[10:19] <Seveas> your spelling is waaay out of control :p
[10:19] <kakalto> CicalaMvta, neither do I, but when trying to compile transcoder, it says I need both
[10:19] <revelater> ROFL
[10:19] <CicalaMvta> kakalto: dpkg --force-help
[10:19] <ben_> is there a way to enable 32 bit desktop with ubuntu? i managed to get 1600x1200 res to work but the depth crashes if i change it to 32
[10:19] <CicalaMvta> :)
[10:19] <kakalto> thanks
[10:19] <Seveas> kakalto, gtranscode is in the repositories...
[10:20] <revelater> alright, thanks Seveas, i need to get some sleep now, gnight all!
[10:20] <Seveas> gnight!
[10:20] <kakalto> Seveas, gtranscode is only a frontend, and transcode doesn't support avi out-of-the-box
[10:20] <Seveas> ok
[10:20] <geoffroy__> smb connection failed again
[10:20] <geoffroy__> grrr
[10:20] <Seveas> geoffroy__, I always mount smb shares like this, maybe it'll help:
[10:20] <poningru> anyone here using opera?
[10:21] <Seveas> smbmount \\\\Blackbird\\C /mnt/samba/blackbird/c -o username=Dennis\ Kaarsemaker,password=mypass,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,dmask=0022,fmask=0133
[10:22] <geoffroy__> 22236: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[10:22] <geoffroy__> SMB connection failed
[10:23] <Seveas> that means you specified the wrong username and/or password
[10:23] <geoffroy__> i wonder how could I read my music before..
[10:23] <Seveas> do you still have the samba connection in nautilus open?
[10:23] <geoffroy__> no
[10:23] <Seveas> what is your mount command?
[10:24] <poningru> anyone?
[10:24] <geoffroy__> smbmount \\\\lala\\E /home/geoffroy/Desktop/Music
[10:24] <geoffroy__>  -o username=Geoffroy
[10:24] <Seveas> tyr -o username=Geoffroy,guest
[10:25] <Seveas> try*
[10:25] <geoffroy__> i love you
[10:25] <geoffroy__> it works
[10:25] <Seveas> :)
[10:25] <geoffroy__> ahaha u re so cool \o/
[10:25] <Seveas> manpages help too :)
[10:25] <Seveas> man smbmount in this case
[10:25] <geoffroy__> yeah i know i know
[10:25] <geoffroy__> i should man all the time
[10:25] <Seveas> :)
[10:25] <geoffroy__> and i bother people.
[10:26] <k31th> morning
[10:26] <Seveas> geoffroy__, not really, you stay polite :)
[10:26] <Seveas> some people get mad if the first attempt fails
[10:26] <k31th> anyone had luck with that knoppix distro that boots inside windows, the modded version
[10:26] <geoffroy__> yeah yeah but the answer are all in man pages or internet
[10:26] <geoffroy__> I could find it...!
[10:26] <Seveas> sure, but manpages sometimes are horrible :)
[10:26] <johng> k31th it was very slow for me
[10:27] <Seveas> by the way: if you like manpages, youshould install funny-manpages and asr-manpages :)
[10:27] <k31th> johng: it wnt load :(
[10:28] <johng> k31th: what error do u get?
[10:28] <k31th> i dont
[10:28] <geoffroy__> ahah
[10:28] <k31th> am i right in thinking it should just autoload ?
[10:28] <johng> yep :)
[10:28] <k31th> doesnt lol
[10:28] <geoffroy__> and the file /mtab
[10:28] <geoffroy__> I have to edit it ?
[10:29] <johng> maybe u hav the wrong ver, I think it's a customized knoppix u need
[10:29] <k31th> yes i have it
[10:29] <geoffroy__> or mount will be done every time I boot ?
[10:29] <Seveas> you can set the smb mountpoints in /etc/fstab if you want the shares to be mounted at every bot
[10:29] <k31th> johng: it has this dir qemu-0.6.1-windows-2
[10:29] <geoffroy__> ok
[10:29] <k31th> on the root of cd
[10:29] <geoffroy__> fstab so
[10:29] <k31th> which is the cou emulation thingyy
[10:29] <geoffroy__> i'm such a dick, I knew all these things and I forgot all
[10:29] <geoffroy__> this is the result of beeing on windows since 1 year..
[10:29] <johng> yeh try and find an exe for qemu in there
[10:30] <geoffroy__> I'm only good at iptables..
[10:30] <Seveas> the human brain is volatile :0
[10:30] <Seveas> :)
[10:30] <geoffroy__> ahha
[10:30] <geoffroy__> definitively
[10:31] <k31th> yeah i found that
[10:31] <johng> so does it run?
[10:32] <k31th> no lol
[10:32] <k31th> it runs then does sweet fa
[10:32] <johng> i don't hav my copy here so sorry but I can't sheck for ya :(
[10:32] <johng> just use the ubuntu live cd :)
[10:33] <k31th> does that have it on ?
[10:33] <johng> no but its ubuntu
[10:33] <k31th> lol
[10:34] <geoffroy__> do you know another firewall than firestarter ?
[10:34] <geoffroy__> or firestarter is the best ?
[10:34] <k31th> reason i want it is so i can ssh to my server at work.. (runs 2003 server) and i dont want to install cygwin
[10:35] <Seveas> firestarter is simply a frontend to iptables
[10:35] <kakalto> I heard a funny thing about a person who bought 2003 server
[10:35] <Seveas> you might as well wright your own iptables scripts :)
[10:35] <johng> cygwin is pretty small
[10:35] <kakalto> the person assured the local computer store that they wanted 2003 SERVER edition for their DESKTOP
[10:35] <goo> gah.. bloody kanotix repo introduces xchat 2.4.3 with Sarge libc6 deps... *removed*
[10:36] <kakalto> a couple of weeks later, came complaining about it, because it was server edition
[10:36] <Seveas> omg....
[10:36] <gorilla_> kaesehummer, gawd...
[10:36] <k31th> this chris-uk guy is famous who modded that knoppix distro!
[10:36] <k31th> hes on slashdot
[10:36] <Seveas> kakalto, you're kidding right?
[10:36] <Seveas> :)
[10:36] <johng> lol
[10:36] <kakalto> Seveas, nope :)
[10:37] <kakalto> Seveas, I know the people at the local comp store very well, I tend to preach the linux gospel down there often
[10:37] <Seveas> hehe
[10:37] <Seveas> bring'em a bag of hoary CD's :)
[10:37] <gorilla_> Seveas, It would have to happen somewhere in the world... there are plenty of stupid people...
[10:37] <kakalto> they don't take it the best, but they realise I believe differently
[10:37] <kakalto> Seveas, that's why I'm waiting for them :)
[10:37] <Seveas> gorilla_, ack :)
[10:37] <johng> i can help with a bag of cds :)
[10:38] <kakalto> johng, I believe that I'm on the opposite side of the world from you :)
[10:38] <kakalto> how many did ya get?
[10:39] <Seveas> kakalto, that would be new zealand :)
[10:39] <gorilla_> johng, how many have you been harding??
[10:39] <kakalto> Seveas, correct :)
[10:39] <gorilla_> oops hoarding rather :-P
[10:39] <Scorpinf> what direct connect client can i install for linux?
[10:39] <goo> So the cd's are being shipped now?
[10:39] <johng> less than 50 I think
[10:40] <Seveas> goo, yes
[10:40] <gorilla_> Seveas, if thats the case... woot!! :-)
[10:40] <goo> cool! I ordered 40 cds to share out to fellow commuters on the train
[10:40] <johng> goo u read my mind
[10:40] <kakalto> when I log into shipit, it says they haven't sent to me yet :(
[10:40] <Burgundavia> goo, they are being shipped now, but they will contact you when yours actually ship
[10:41] <goo> Burgundavia: ah, very very good
[10:41] <johng> mine came from the netherlands
[10:41] <johng> according to the postmark
[10:41] <johng> got a nice variety pack of powerpc, x64 and x86
[10:42] <Seveas> haven;t received mine though :S
[10:42] <johng> mmm strange
[10:42] <deFrysk> <--Friesland
[10:42] <deFrysk> got mine tuesday
[10:42] <johng> maybe they ship em out first come first served basis
[10:43] <Seveas> kakalto, where do you see whether they shipped it or not?
[10:43] <kakalto> Seveas, when you log into shipit.ubuntulinux.org, it says what orders it has sent out to youi
[10:43] <kakalto> *you
[10:44] <kakalto> 0_0 I am stupid
[10:44] <Seveas> i don;t see any 'hey i've sent this', so they aren't sent yet i guess :)
[10:44] <johng> I ordered mine the day they switched over from taking warty to hoary orders
[10:45] <kakalto> I wanted to re-encode my avi to mpg.... spent HOURS trying to get 'transcode' to do it, then find out that ffmpeg can do it, and within 5 minutes start encoding
[10:45] <kakalto> 0_0;;;
[10:45] <Seveas> haha
[10:46] <johng> lol
[10:48] <kakalto> wow, I gotta add that to my ubuntuforums.org user.... that's a real achievement :)
[10:48] <johng> I downloaded some hdtv transport stream files yesterday - man they r crisp!
[10:48] <geoffroy__> thank you, all the people who helped me, especially you, Seveas
[10:48] <Seveas> yw geoffroy__
[10:48] <geoffroy__> I'll come back with other stupid questions \o/
[10:48] <geoffroy__> have a good day
[10:48] <Seveas> that's why we're here :)
[10:48] <k31th> anyone watching 24 ?
[10:48] <geoffroy__> u re cooler than man pages
[10:48] <geoffroy__> ciao ciao
[10:48] <k31th> man its getting tense !
[10:48] <johng> yep thats what my hdtv download was!
[10:49] <k31th> johng: yeah there ripp sat streams
[10:49] <johng> k31th with my 5.1 speakers it was incredible, really good ep
[10:49] <k31th> yeah
[10:49] <k31th> its awsome
[10:49] <k31th> you got 5.1 working in ubuntu ?
[10:49] <k31th> the end of the last ep where jack killed that guy
[10:49] <k31th> harsh
[10:50] <k31th> but he did make the right decision
[10:50] <johng> no this was on my windows box at home
[10:50] <Seveas> :p
[10:50] <k31th> yuk windows i try my hardest not use that lol
[10:50] <johng> yeh well I am in a 'transistional phase' right now :)
[10:51] <k31th> my boss just rang said he wont be in today or its unlikely
[10:51] <johng> k31th never seen jack look the way he did at the end of the last episode after killing paul
[10:51] <paul_> can anyone tellme how to mount the other partitions of my hard drive? they arent visible?
[10:51] <k31th> johng: yah right
[10:51] <k31th> must be a hard thing to do
[10:52] <k31th> fact of the matter is he could of died anyway
[10:52] <johng> do u know if I can play .ts files in ubunut?
[10:52] <k31th> there so fucked now that guy died
[10:52] <johng> yeh
[10:52] <Seveas> paul_, sure, which partitions, what filesystem?
[10:52] <k31th> theres only 3 eps left
[10:52] <k31th> maybe they are setting them selfs up for season 5
[10:52] <johng> I want see what happens with the whole pissing off china deal thats happenign
[10:52] <kakalto> is there some kind of frontend for ffmpeg?
[10:52] <paul_> ntfs forthe other partition.
[10:52] <johng> yeh I like a good end of seaon cliffhanger
[10:53] <k31th> are they making a season 5
[10:53] <Seveas> paul_, do you know which partition the ntfs partition is?
[10:53] <johng> i guess
[10:53] <k31th> i remeber when i was unemployeed i watched season 1 2 and 3 all in a row
[10:53] <k31th> over the corse of 4 days
[10:53] <johng> haha ur the man
[10:54] <paul_> yes partition dev/hda2 , i can access it with knoppix, just downloaded ubuntu yesterday.... having some dramas. like my wifi drops outand wont reconect :(
[10:54] <k31th> wow ubuntu shipp free pressed cd's
[10:54] <k31th> they must have awsome funding !
[10:54] <johng> yep a millionare!
[10:54] <Burgundavia> k31th, millionare playboy
[10:54] <Seveas> paul_, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows
[10:54] <k31th> playboy ?
[10:55] <Seveas> be sure you do a mkdir /mnt/windows first
[10:55] <Scorpinf> what direct connect client can i install for linux?
[10:55] <paul_> thanks, will try
[10:55] <k31th> i thought it was a support contractor
[10:55] <johng> shuttleworth
[10:55] <Seveas> lol k31th, no it's Mark Shuttleworth
[10:55] <k31th> brb need a piss
[10:55] <johng> enjoy
[10:55] <Seveas> k31th, we do NOT need to know that ;)
[10:56] <Seveas> paul_, add this to /etc/fstab: /dev/hda2       /mnt/windows    ntfs    ro,uid=dennis,gid=dennis,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0
[10:56] <Seveas> just replace 'dennis' with your username
[10:56] <k31th> thats better
[10:57] <paul_> ok - iwill try, new to linux...
[10:58] <k31th> is it possible to buy shares online ?
[10:58] <Seveas> paul_, i noticed that, that's whi i give you the newbie-proof advice ;)
[10:59] <johng> k31th it is in the UK
[11:00] <paul_> lol cheers. My system seems to hang. Before i tried to access the properties of the wifi - it just drops out, now itried to access root terminal and it wont load and the system appears to slow.
[11:00] <k31th> johng: im in the uk
[11:00] <k31th> johng: where :D
[11:01] <johng> k31th I kno people who do it on egg.com
[11:01] <johng> k31th: sposed to be pretty good
[11:02] <k31th> looking on there now..
[11:04] <k31th> humm
[11:04] <k31th> damn i thought it was friday today
[11:04] <carambol> i have checked the safety of iptables/firestarter settings. And GRC shows up that ping is possible. How to fix this one?
[11:04] <k31th> http://home.btconnect.com/chrisandcarolyn/ubuntu-hoary/virtual-warty.png
[11:05] <johng> k31th cool man
[11:05] <pshend> hi all
[11:05] <pshend> is it ok to use gnome's icon's on commercial projects, converted to gifs?
[11:06] <k31th> johng: i might be 1337 and make a hoary cd that boots in windows
[11:06] <Burgundavia> pshend, why are using gifs, and gnomes trademark is gnomes
[11:06] <invisiblekid> hi all
[11:06] <johng> k31th: whats the speed on that badboy like?
[11:06] <k31th> thats not my screenie
[11:06] <pshend> Burgundavia, i'm just replacing existing gif's with gnome icons, like printer icons etc
[11:07] <k31th> some one elses
[11:07] <k31th> think is
[11:07] <k31th> thing*
[11:07] <Burgundavia> pshend, contact the gnome people regarding their trademark policy
[11:07] <k31th> its gonna depend how much ram you got
[11:07] <johng> yeh
[11:07] <johng> tru
[11:07] <k31th> as i would imagen it canes ram bad
[11:07] <invisiblekid>  anyone know about "NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_FOUND" for samba shares?  its an error i get when trying to connect to the workgroup
[11:08] <k31th> its gonna take me 2 hours 40 to download the bootable hoary cd
[11:08] <k31th> damn slow connection
[11:08] <johng> crap
[11:09] <k31th> yeah
[11:09] <k31th> hopefully we are going to get a leased line
[11:09] <k31th> but it will probly only be 2mbp
[11:09] <bob2> invisiblekid: I'd guess you got the workgroup wrong
[11:09] <k31th> but in either direction
[11:09] <johng> k31th: I have 4mbit in central london
[11:09] <carambol> how do i fix the ping hole in firestarter
[11:09] <johng> :-D
[11:09] <carambol> ?
[11:09] <invisiblekid> i dont think its that because it worked like a week ago, and i checked the config and its the same
[11:10] <k31th> johng: yes but is the 256k upload
[11:10] <k31th> im in bath...
[11:10] <k31th> went to an isp in london got shit loads of free racks, isp called mistral
[11:10] <johng> cool
[11:11] <johng> I get 4mbit for only 30 o month!
[11:11] <k31th> nice
[11:11] <johng> bulldog
[11:11] <|FAMAS|Xbill> lol
[11:11] <k31th> i pay 25 quid for 2mbp
[11:11] <k31th> johng: its not always 4mbp tho is it ?
[11:11] <k31th> dont it dropp ?
[11:12] <transgress> is there a reason klineakconfig doesn't work?
[11:12] <transgress> after installing lineakd?
[11:12] <johng> yeh it is and it dont drop, in central london bulldog hav their own kit in the exchanges
[11:12] <johng> thats why its such a good service
[11:13] <k31th> johng: nice
[11:13] <k31th> central london has its pros and cons !
[11:13] <johng> yeh rent LOL!
[11:13] <k31th> do you have to pay the congestion charge if u drive in there ?
[11:13] <k31th> if you live there
[11:13] <johng> no one drives to work here, but yes would have to if u did
[11:13] <transgress> no one uses lineak?
[11:14] <k31th> johng: you tube it
[11:14] <johng> nope bus it, I live just outside the congestion zone
[11:14] <k31th> i was in london end of last month
[11:14] <johng> bus service is much better these days
[11:14] <k31th> i almost went the wrong way on the tube lol
[11:14] <johng> hehe
[11:14] <k31th> i hate that tube 5:30 its packed
[11:15] <johng> like a can of sardines
[11:15] <k31th> standing  by a door with people breathing in your face
[11:15] <johng> hehe
[11:15] <johng> you have to try and not think about that strange thing rubbing against ur leg
[11:16] <Raptoid> slmlr.
[11:16] <k31th> if i had a motobike id just ripp straight thru london and not bother with the tube
[11:16] <k31th> yeah i hate touching those bars
[11:16] <k31th> thinking of all the scrubbs that have had there hands all over um!
[11:17] <gorilla_> k31th, that's what gloves are for... incinerate them at the end of the week :-)
[11:17] <k31th> didnt they find more dises on the tube than in large hospitals
[11:17] <k31th> gorilla_: lol yeah ill buy a 300 box of latex gloves
[11:18] <willis> the diseases on the tube keep our immune systems strong
[11:18] <k31th> when i was last on there this jipo guy was collecting money
[11:18] <willis> i'm hardly ever sick and i live in central london
[11:18] <k31th> kool
[11:19] <k31th> im never ill apart from the odd cold
[11:19] <mirak> hi
[11:20] <k31th> i got the munchies already
[11:20] <mirak> I am installing a system with deboostrap, I want to know how I can install a full system
[11:20] <mirak> without having it starting the services
[11:20] <k31th> does anyone know of any HowTos or guides that need doing for ubuntu
[11:21] <jsgotangco> k31th, you mean you intend to help out in documentation?
[11:21] <k31th> jsgotangco: yes id love to
[11:22] <k31th> jsgotangco: id love to help out anyway i can
[11:22] <jsgotangco> k31th, you can join the discussion at #ubuntu-doc
[11:22] <k31th> great thanks
[11:24] <rommer> is there a way i can create a partition which can be both read and written to with ubuntu and winxp?
[11:24] <Seveas> rommer, yes
[11:24] <Seveas> create a fat32 partition
[11:24] <rommer> ok
[11:25] <paul_> can someone tell me how to access the root terminal? i cant enter a passwrd
[11:25] <Kejk_PL> Why don't use Breezy yet?
[11:25] <Kejk_PL> sudo su
[11:26] <Seveas> because breezy will be extremely unstable as of monday
[11:26] <paul_> ok - it asks for a password, i dont knowit
[11:26] <Seveas> and right now there's a dbus transition going on
[11:26] <Seveas> paul_, use YOUR password
[11:26] <jsgotangco> its bound to be broken anytime now
[11:26] <Kejk_PL> oh :-o
[11:26] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, c++ abi change & complete toolchain transition start monday
[11:26] <paul_> i tried that, didnt work..
[11:26] <Seveas> and if you don;t know what it means: DON'T use breezy
[11:27] <Seveas> paul_, it has to, or is the logged in user not the user you created when installing?
[11:28] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, on Debian site they say, don't use SID
[11:28] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, ubuntu == a stable sid
[11:28] <Kejk_PL> so I am asking what is a differet, but thanks anyway!
[11:28] <Seveas> so if ubuntu goes unstable, things are really rough :)
[11:28] <Kejk_PL> :0
[11:28] <Kejk_PL> :)
[11:29] <Seveas> i consider myself an experienced linux user, but no way i am going to use breezy for the next weeks
[11:29] <paul_> hmm same account, i used only 1 password. can i change the passwrd? i can doit in knoppix but cant on ubuntu.
[11:29] <jsgotangco> most devels dont even use it
[11:31] <dead^^> how can i get scandinavian letters on X-Chat? yesterday i had problems with them and somebody pasted me '/command iso.xxx' or something :P
[11:31] <paul_> got it thanks steve
[11:32] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, this is for my sisters :)
[11:32] <Kejk_PL> they are not experiencd
[11:35] <jono> hi all, is there a program to pop up a small gtk dialog box?
[11:35] <Seveas> jono, yes
[11:35] <kakalto> g'nite all
[11:35] <Seveas> jono, it's called zenity
[11:35] <kakalto> thanks whoever has helped me tonight
[11:35] <kakalto> Seveas, thanks for the award ;)
[11:35] <Seveas> ;)
[11:35] <dead^^> where are the characterset preferences on X-Chat?
[11:36] <Seveas> dead^^, xchat uses the system wide locale setting for that
[11:36] <dead^^> Seveas, ...meaning?
[11:37] <Seveas> depends on what you need to do :)
[11:37] <goo> dead^^: it's pr. server in the Server List
[11:37] <Shufla> hello
[11:37] <goo> dead^^: err, pr. network.
[11:38] <dead^^> Seveas, i need to put scandinavian letters, like a with dots, etc...
[11:38] <mbirrell> here I am
[11:38] <Seveas> goo, thanks, didn;t know that :)
[11:38] <Seveas> dead^^, listen to goo, he's right
[11:38] <goo> Seveas: :)
[11:38] <mbirrell> 8)
[11:38] <Seveas> mbirrell, oh no
[11:39] <mbirrell> hey I'm having trouble mounting my firewire disk
[11:39] <paul_> steve - how do i open and edit fstab. dont have privilege?
[11:40] <Seveas> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:40] <mbirrell> does anyone know the correct mount syntax
[11:40] <Seveas> mbirrell, sure, man mount knows it too :)
[11:40] <Kejk_PL> man mount
[11:40] <goo> dead^^: OR you can type /charset iso-8859-1
[11:40] <Kejk_PL> paul_, sudu kwrite "file"
[11:41] <Kejk_PL> sorry gedit
[11:41] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, kwrite is not standard on ubuntu, gedit is :)
[11:41] <Seveas> mbirrell, what is the mount problem?
[11:41] <Kejk_PL> hehe, I forgot, that in Ubuntu is Gnome :)
[11:41] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, and please use kate, not kwrite :)
[11:42] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, why, Kate is slower (in my opinion)
[11:42] <mbirrell> I don't know the /dev type
[11:42] <mbirrell> is it /dev/scsi?
[11:42] <Seveas> mbirrell, what are you trying to do, mount your windows partition?
[11:42] <Kejk_PL> is in Ubuntuu good support for fuse? Especially /dev/ttyUSB* devicec?
[11:43] <mbirrell> mount my firewore disk which happenst to be fat32
[11:43] <Seveas> try /dev/sda
[11:44] <Kejk_PL> Have you been using SieFS (for mobile phone)?
[11:44] <Kejk_PL> Now in my Debian I have messed up /dev/ directory (without udev, devfs etc, only files)
[11:44] <Kejk_PL> ...so I can't chceck it
[11:44] <Seveas> :)
[11:45] <Rudi> Hello all.
[11:45] <mbirrell> what is the mount type for fat32?
[11:46] <Rudi> mbirrell: vfat
[11:47] <mbirrell>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[11:47] <Rudi> mbirrell: and your command is?
[11:47] <mbirrell> sorry I am a windoz person cutting over to Linux
[11:48] <mbirrell> mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/scsidisk
[11:48] <Seveas> so it isn;t /dev/sda
[11:48] <mbirrell> sda1 maybe?
[11:48] <Seveas> there was a command to find out which one it is, i just forgot it :S
[11:49] <Rudi> mbirrell: try "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
[11:49] <Kejk_PL> try to read /var/log/messages
[11:49] <Raptoid> slmlr..
[11:49] <alexandre> hi
[11:50] <Kejk_PL> there should be on which device/file you hard drive is
[11:50] <alexandre> how can i add (or remove) elements form the Applications menu (or even in others menus)?
[11:50] <Seveas> alexandre, see the HoaryMenuEditing part of wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <mbirrell> mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /media/scsidisk did it!!!!
[11:50] <mbirrell> thanks people
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> mbirrell, after reboot device can change ;-)
[11:51] <alexandre> k
[11:51] <mbirrell> oh noooooo
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> I had this problem with USB digital camera
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> but don't worry, it probebly win't
[11:51] <mbirrell> what if I plug it into same port
[11:51] <Kejk_PL> */won't
[11:51] <paul_> i cant seem to load certain applications, it starts and says loading in the taskbar and then stops and disapears.like my updates- cant apply them or even load the manager...?
[11:51] <paul_> any ideas?
[11:52] <mbirrell> do I put it in mtab now?
[11:52] <Kejk_PL> if you plug it in the same port, it should be good
[11:52] <Kejk_PL> mbirrell, no
[11:52] <mbirrell> or fstab
[11:52] <Rudi> mbirrell: yes, mtab and fstab
[11:52] <mbirrell> cool
[11:52] <Kejk_PL> Rudi, mtab? for what, it is generated automaticaly
[11:53] <Rudi> Kejk_PL - manually is manually ;-)
[11:53] <Seveas> only fstab is needed, putting it in mtab is plain wrong
[11:53] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, indeed
[11:55] <Raptoid> fstab only
[11:55] <Raptoid> no mtab
[11:55] <pshend> anyone know why i get this error whenever i try to use nautilus ftp: no default action associated with this location
[11:56] <mbirrell> fstab?
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> mbirrell, /etc/fstab
[11:57] <mbirrell> how do i invoc autofs?
[11:57] <Seveas> pshend nautilus will cry out unrelevant errors if you don'y use ftp://server
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> mbirrell, read man fstab if want more information
[11:57] <Kejk_PL> mbirrell, I never used it
[11:58] <quadline> if you take a look in fstab yourself you will see what is in it already
[11:58] <quadline> you can use that as an example too
[11:58] <quadline> I did that
[11:58] <quadline> it helps
[11:59] <mark345> hey:) anyone know how to get a dvd to eject by pressing the button on the drive?
[11:59] <jsgotangco> ?
[11:59] <mark345> my drive is a sony drx-710ul, its fairly new
[11:59] <jsgotangco> eject command doesnt work?
[11:59] <mark345> without having to right click on the icon on the desktop to eject it
[12:00] <Seveas> mark345, you cannot eject without unmounting
[12:00] <pshend> Seveas, i'll give that a go - ta
[12:00] <Seveas> safety measure :)
[12:00] <mark345> can't it unmount from the touch of the button on the drive?
[12:01] <mark345> or unmount when not in use?
[12:01] <mark345> automatically?
[12:01] <Seveas> you would think that :)
[12:01] <Seveas> (I believe it's being worked on)
[12:01] <mark345> are they working on this feature
[12:01] <mark345> oh
[12:01] <mark345> cool
[12:02] <jsgotangco> not just mounting stuff
[12:02] <mark345> anyone here know how to upgrade to the latest gnome 2.10.1?
[12:02] <mark345> cool
[12:02] <IIIEars> lol (glad Seveas said that)
[12:04] <t31> hi, everyone o/
[12:04] <Seveas> hi
[12:04] <t31> got problems with skype, anyone knows it well?
[12:07] <johng> breezy better include mono as standard
[12:07] <Seveas> johng it does
[12:07] <Seveas> and also beagle
[12:07] <johng> thank god
[12:07] <Seveas> and tomboy
[12:08] <johng> I have started developing in mono this week
[12:08] <johng> and that was my main beef with it
[12:08] <johng> when they sort out the windows.forms support its gonn be plain sailing
[12:09] <jsgotangco> and blam, and muine, and f-spot heh
[12:09] <jsgotangco> bring them all!
[12:09] <johng> :-D
[12:11] <johng> hoary just came out and we are already wanting breezy lol
[12:11] <jsgotangco> well you can run a lot of mono apps on hoary atm
[12:11] <pshend> still no luck using nautilus ftp, even with different ftp urls
[12:11] <lok> arg mono omg
[12:11] <johng> yeh I do but it's nice to know that mono will be standard if U am gonna start developing in ti
[12:12] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:12] <jsgotangco> its pretty interesting
[12:13] <johng> the o'reilly mono book is very good
[12:13] <johng> really gets you into it quickly
[12:14] <jsgotangco> mm lemme check that out
[12:15] <jsgotangco> johng, by chance is this Mono: A Developer's Notebook?
[12:15] <johng> yeh thats the one
[12:15] <jsgotangco> looks good
[12:16] <johng> doesn't beat around the bush, just throws you straight into it
[12:16] <mbirrell_> what file does autofs look at to know what to try to mount
[12:17] <mbirrell_> eg when you plug in a usb or firewire disk
[12:17] <jsgotangco> nice book reviews
[12:18] <kart_> jsgotangco: ya, I have it! Good book!
[12:19] <Seveas> i have programming C# from microsoft press :)
[12:19] <jsgotangco> doesnt work hrmm
[12:19] <bitsmash> hi
[12:19] <Seveas> hi
[12:20] <bitsmash> are there any other 5.04 to add extra packages like mplayer, blender d4x etc
[12:20] <Seveas> bitsmash, what do you mean?
[12:20] <bitsmash> extra sources
[12:20] <Seveas> mplayer is in multiverse
[12:20] <Seveas> dunno about the others
[12:21] <bitsmash> Seveas, how can i add that? is there docs somewhere?
[12:21] <kart_> bitsmash: there is Add-on cd of ubuntu!
[12:21] <paco_> you should add source in the /etc/apt/source.list files..
[12:21] <bitsmash> kart_, my nets not that fast
[12:21] <paco_> and then run apt-get update..
[12:21] <paco_> this is the best way
[12:21] <paco_> how fast is it ?
[12:21] <bitsmash> paco_, :ya ill try
[12:22] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto/view?searchterm=adding%20repositories
[12:22] <paco_> do U want my sources.list ?
[12:22] <kart_> see: ubuntuguide.org
[12:22] <Seveas> kart_, ubuntuguite contains some errors...
[12:22] <kart_> ya
[12:22] <bitsmash> i just used synaptic
[12:22] <Seveas> please d not refer to it blindly (ok, in this case it's ok :o)  )
[12:23] <paco_> this is the same..
[12:23] <paco_> it's use apt
[12:23] <bitsmash> synaptic is the easy way
[12:23] <kart_> I prefer apt-get than synaptic..
[12:23] <k31th> yo
[12:23] <owen> hey, is there a good image viewing app anyone can recommend like irfan view?
[12:23] <k31th> ?] 
[12:23] <Seveas> kart_, you should try aptitude too :)
[12:23] <paco_> thats it.. :)
[12:23] <k31th> the gimp
[12:23] <Seveas> owen, eog or gthumb?
[12:23] <kart_> tried!
[12:24] <jsgotangco> ok im out bye all
[12:24] <k31th> jsgotangco: later
[12:25] <lolo> helo
[12:25] <k31th> anyone tried running winamp in wine
[12:25] <owen> eog's alright.. but u can't scroll through images in a directory with the arrows, or view detailed information
[12:25] <Seveas> k31th, try beep-media-player. It's like winamp :)
[12:25] <jsgotangco> thats wasteful
[12:26] <killapop> owen: gthumb gets my vote
[12:26] <paco_> anyone could give me the reason of a very large policy with Amule under Gnome ?
[12:26] <mjr> very large policy?
[12:27] <bitsmash> synaptic is sweet
[12:27] <paco_> yeeah, it's very big..
[12:28] <owen> can one scroll through images forwards and back in gthumb? i can only seem to go forward with spacebar
[12:28] <siimo> hi can someone help me it seems my linux system was hacked :(
[12:28] <IIIEars> siimo - Really?
[12:28] <siimo> May 12 14:09:33 localhost -- MARK --
[12:28] <siimo> May 12 14:29:33 localhost -- MARK --
[12:28] <siimo> what are these things?
[12:29] <IIIEars> localhost is the loopback ip address everyos has one
[12:29] <IIIEars> even windows
[12:29] <siimo> so this is not actually a hack then
[12:29] <IIIEars> no - it is VERY unlikely
[12:30] <siimo> weird cause about that time my system seems to have rebooted itself
[12:30] <bitsmash> no one will hack u unless u make them angry
[12:30] <siimo> anywhere i can check this?
[12:30] <IIIEars> << :X
[12:30] <mjr> paco_, what you mean the fonts? probably because it's using the old gtk 1 and is unsupported and nobody's bothered to finetune it
[12:30] <IIIEars> lol
[12:31] <Crasp> siimo: it might be a hardware or power failure most likely
[12:31] <Crasp> siimo: these don't pop up in logs
[12:31] <siimo> Crasp, if it was a power failure it wont start again
[12:31] <siimo> so im guessing it was a software failure
[12:32] <Crasp> siimo: and it is very unlikely someone will "hack" you to just reboot your system :)
[12:32] <siimo> Crasp, but it could be a bug in some program or kernel?
[12:32] <k31th> Seveas: does it have winamp tv
[12:32] <Crasp> siimo: it can still be a power failure, if it was a really really small glitch it might have rebooten accidently
[12:32] <Crasp> s/rebooten/rebooted
[12:33] <Crasp> siimo: crashing programs normally don't cause reboots unless you have defective hardware
[12:33] <Seveas> siimo, the ---MARK---- lines in your log are normal
[12:33] <siimo> Crasp, yeah but my computer shuts off if its a power failure it doesnt reboot
[12:33] <siimo> Crasp, all i had running was a shell with wget downloading something
[12:33] <Crasp> siimo: well mine is supposed to do that too, but i speak out of experience that it is not always so
[12:33] <siimo> Crasp, oh ok
[12:34] <Crasp> siimo: you could run a memory test for example
[12:34] <k31th> humm wat shall i get for lunch
[12:34] <Crasp> siimo: www.memtest86.com
[12:34] <Crasp> siimo: also be sure to check if your cpu is not getting too hot
[12:34] <siimo> but it seems like a software bug though because usually i can stay up for days
[12:34] <siimo> CPU is at 51C
[12:34] <alex__> i`ve got a ntfs-partition where i have music on it..but i can only mount it as root..how can i read that as normal user?
[12:34] <k31th> mc donalds, fish and chips, or healthy food
[12:34] <siimo> it has rebooted 6 hrs ago
[12:35] <Crasp> siimo: well there are still inifite possibilities that it was a hardware failure
[12:35] <johng> i could murder fish and chips right now
[12:35] <k31th> or i could eat it all
[12:35] <Seveas> Crasp, memtest86 is included with ubuntu :)
[12:35] <k31th> johng: lol
[12:35] <k31th> im starving
[12:35] <Crasp> siimo: just ignore it, and see if it happens again before stating any failure in software
[12:35] <k31th> Seveas: yes i find that handy
[12:35] <johng> just got my crappy sandwiches for lunch again
[12:35] <siimo> Crasp, ok thanks
[12:35] <holycow> siimo i just replaced one system whos cpu would just restart the machine because it was overheating, i accidentally found out by taking the side panel off and running the system that way ... then relizing it worked fine like that and checking cpu temp
[12:36] <owen> siimo: power faliure can be caused by a small surge to the power supply, or something momentarily pulling too much power or something.. PSUs can restart as a security feature before any blip in power can reach and fry components
[12:36] <k31th> johng: there is a chipshop over the road from where i work
[12:36] <holycow> its funny how cpu temp can on some systems rise dramatically when you close the panel
[12:36] <siimo> hmm ok, but this has never happened to me ever
[12:36] <k31th> iv worked here a month
[12:36] <k31th> and iv had chips like 4 times already
[12:36] <johng> k31th *drool*
[12:37] <k31th> isunt fish n chips the worst thing for you
[12:37] <k31th> its probly worse than mc donalds, infact no nothing is that bad
[12:37] <Fator_Dee> I can think of worse
[12:37] <k31th> Fator_Dee: cocaine
[12:37] <Fator_Dee> that too
[12:37] <k31th> lol
[12:38] <siimo> Crasp, i found this now
[12:38] <IIIEars> Twinkies
[12:38] <siimo> May 12 13:49:33 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[12:38] <siimo> it seems to have restarted
[12:38] <siimo> by someone
[12:38] <siimo> or some program
[12:38] <k31th> wat ill do is.. have 2ltrs of water sausage and chips and a tune sandwich
[12:38] <johng> k31th: well at least they use real fish in the chip shop
[12:38] <k31th> true
[12:38] <k31th> not fake cow buger
[12:38] <k31th> burger !
[12:38] <johng> lol
[12:39] <k31th> im not suggesting some one fakes buggering a cow
[12:39] <k31th> johng: wat you do for a job in london
[12:39] <IIIEars> (suddenly loses appetitie)
[12:39] <k31th> IIIEars:  lol
[12:39] <Seveas> k31th, johng, please try to keep it on-topic :)
[12:40] <siimo> any idea what that restart command means
[12:40] <Fator_Dee> atleast I know what I'm going to eat, porridge \o/
[12:40] <johng> k31th: I am on my placement from uni, I work for the gov as systems engineer
[12:40] <k31th> Seveas: there opensource chips :)
[12:40] <Seveas> k31th...
[12:40] <k31th> sorry :D
[12:41] <MattFlet> I'm trying to install kubuntu hoary on my work machine and the installer hangs at the message "Initializing USB mass storagte device..." anyone have any ideas?
[12:41] <upgrdman> anyone know if using the samba server will limit my file size? I'm gonna be using ext3 on the partition i will be sharing, and i'm wondering if that stupid 2GB or is it 4GB file-size-limit that fat32 has will affect me? e.g. does samba even act like fat32?
[12:41] <upgrdman> oh and, whats the file size limit for ext3?
[12:41] <k31th> MattFlet: do you have a usb pen in there /.
[12:41] <k31th> ?*
[12:41] <geoffroy_> hey hey
[12:41] <MattFlet> no. i have a usb mouse, which i tried disconnecting
[12:41] <Seveas> upgrdman, smb has no filesize limit
[12:41] <MattFlet> and it still hung there
[12:41] <upgrdman> sweet
[12:41] <geoffroy_> do you know a itunes like on ubuntu ?
[12:41] <k31th> upgrdman: iirc there is no file size limit on ext3
[12:42] <geoffroy_> i don't like music player installed by default
[12:42] <siimo> does anyone know what this line means : May 12 13:49:33 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[12:42] <johng> we should develop gfishnchips then we could talk about it
[12:42] <IIIEars> MattFlet - is it a laptop?
[12:42] <Seveas> siimo, that your system logger has been restarted
[12:42] <MattFlet> no a desktop machine
[12:42] <k31th> MattFlet: is the disc bad
[12:42] <upgrdman> k31th, oh good! i have to do a dd-rescue to a dieing 250GB hdd.... and my new fileserver that im construction has a 500GB lvm partition
[12:42] <k31th> did you md5
[12:42] <Seveas> k31th, there always is a file size limit
[12:42] <Seveas> the size of your HD :)
[12:42] <k31th> Seveas: really ?
[12:42] <k31th> oh
[12:42] <MattFlet> the only other usb-type thing it has is a media card reader. that is internal but i assume it connects via a usb header somehow
[12:42] <k31th> lol
[12:43] <MattFlet> no, disc is good, installed on another machine
[12:43] <k31th> MattFlet: thats will do it
[12:43] <upgrdman> thank god my room has it own gigabit ethernet switch
[12:43] <MattFlet> the media card reader?
[12:43] <k31th> is there a flash media card in there ?
[12:43] <IIIEars> :? - i had no problems with any USB devices and got a ton...
[12:43] <MattFlet> no, it's empty
[12:43] <upgrdman> doing a dd-rescue of a 250GB drive to a fileserver in my clost would take forever otherwise
[12:43] <Seveas> MattFlet, file a bug in the bugzilla against the installer, try to include as much hardware info as you can
[12:44] <Seveas> upgrdman, hmm :)
[12:44] <k31th> upgrdman: lol
[12:44] <Seveas> try to do it via a serial cable :)
[12:44] <k31th> i must sort my self out with a raid 5 of at least 500 gigs
[12:44] <IIIEars> There must be an install log recording the errors - where do you look for it?
[12:44] <MattFlet> ok i will do. where can i get hardware info like that? and is there a way round the problem? i don't use the reader, so maybe if i disable it in the BIOS somehow that would get round it
[12:45] <Seveas> /var/log/debian-installer
[12:45] <k31th> dmesg ?
[12:45] <k31th> yeah or there
[12:45] <k31th> lol
[12:45] <johng> does ne one run ubuntu on a semperon cpu?
[12:45] <k31th> johng: not I
[12:45] <MattFlet> johng, i do
[12:45] <k31th> athlons clocked to hell
[12:45] <MattFlet> it runs fine
[12:45] <Juhaz> some may run ubuntu on sempron, but I doubt anyone does on semperon
[12:45] <Aemaeth> ill be attempting it on a thoroughbred 2morrow
[12:45] <k31th> and a celeron 2.5gig
[12:45] <johng> cool, I was thinking about getting one for a seperate box
[12:46] <k31th> johng: yes there cheap
[12:46] <k31th> when i upgrade my main box ill be using mine as a NAS
[12:46] <johng> I have a pile of ram and a hard drive so I just want something cheap to use em on
[12:47] <IIIEars> k31th - sounds cool - printserver also?
[12:47] <MattFlet> i believe the slower semprons are overclocked athlons, whereas the faster ones are a different chip. my sempron 2800 is borderline, so i don't honestly know which it is. it's plenty fast enough to dual boot windows media center 2005 and kubuntu hoary
[12:47] <k31th> ill get one of those 5 port netgear gigabit switches for home as well there only  36 uk pounds
[12:47] <k31th> IIIEars: i cant get my crappy usb printer to work in linux
[12:47] <Juhaz> MattFlet, socket-a semprons are basically renamed athlon x
[12:47] <johng> thanks MattFlet
[12:47] <Juhaz> xp
[12:47] <k31th> its a canon
[12:48] <Aemaeth> anyone know if hoary is shipping yet?
[12:48] <Juhaz> socket-754 semprons are more or less equivalent to athlon 64's with 64-bit mode disabled
[12:48] <Seveas> Aemaeth, it is
[12:48] <Aemaeth> good
[12:48] <Aemaeth> cos i put myself down for some
[12:48] <k31th> yup athlons are no more apart for 64's have you looked into getting a athlon mbile from overclockers.co.uk johng
[12:48] <johng> I have an athlon xp 3200 what are they like compared to those?
[12:48] <Aemaeth> cos i only have a cd of the previous one
[12:48] <k31th> they have a very low vcore voltage and clock very well
[12:48] <IIIEars> Canon makes a good printer - I am stuck with a noisy HP.
[12:49] <k31th> IIIEars: yeah the printer its self is good
[12:49] <k31th> but its usb
[12:49] <k31th> and i cant get it working tbh i havent put that much time into it
[12:49] <IIIEars> so is mine
[12:49] <k31th> yet...
[12:49] <johng> a 64 would be nice but I just need a cheap second pc really
[12:49] <k31th> yeah
[12:49] <johng> 64 for my main pc in the future I think
[12:49] <k31th> dual cores will be out soon
[12:50] <johng> i kno they are so sweet!
[12:50] <k31th> im goin for a 64 if i dont hold out for the amd dualcore
[12:50] <k31th> probly be to expensive to start out
[12:50] <johng> yeh they r gona cost a bomb
[12:50] <k31th> i need a nvidia gfx card as well
[12:50] <MattFlet> here's my cheap pc, 350 plus a HDD and RAM, which I reused: http://matt-fletcher.co.uk/newpc/
[12:51] <k31th> ati sux in nix with my experiance
[12:51] <k31th> im going to build a ubber linux box
[12:51] <MattFlet> it runs ubuntu fine, as well as win mce 2005
[12:51] <johng> i have a 9600 xt
[12:51] <k31th> humm wats that like
[12:51] <k31th> iv currently got a 9800 pro
[12:52] <johng> not great for linux
[12:52] <Juhaz> johng, the pricing for the first amd dualcores was already released, there's no "probly" about it any more, cheapest one starts at $500
[12:52] <johng> Juhaz: ouch!
[12:52] <k31th> i see... i want to get cedega working properly for hl2 and css so i dont  have to bother with windows
[12:52] <johng> thats the dream k31th
[12:53] <k31th> lol
[12:53] <k31th> yeah
[12:53] <johng> but then the next great game comes along and bites u in the ass
[12:53] <IIIEars> even if 500 seemed affordable the mobo is going to be pricey for awhile too.
[12:53] <Juhaz> johng, although they'll probably make slower and cheaper ones later, but in the beginning they don't want to compete with their own mainstream 64's
[12:53] <k31th> brb going to the GNU chipshop
[12:53] <johng> dam u k31th!!!
[12:53] <k31th> johng:  true
[12:53] <k31th> i got hl2 running in it tho
[12:54] <johng> whats the speed like?
[12:54] <Juhaz> IIIEars, the nice thing about amd dualcores is that they don't need a new mobo, if you've got older s-939 board it should be able to handle them with just a bios update
[12:55] <IIIEars> GreaT! :)        - (oops gotta okay it with the wife. darn...)
[12:55] <johng> thanks Juhaz, I guess I could get a regular 64 to tide me over
[12:55] <upgrdman_> yay im back
[12:55] <upgrdman_> ok
[12:55] <upgrdman_> um
[12:56] <johng> hey MattFlet how is the freeview tuner in ur media box?
[12:57] <upgrdman_> i want to add another raid1 array, and loved how i could do it with the install cd... but unfortunatly, the reason why i didnt do it while installing was i can only have 4 ide devices, and i had four ide hdd's.... so one that was going to participate in the raid1 array had to be unplugged so i could plug in my cdrom drive...
[12:57] <upgrdman_> what should i do...
[12:57] <upgrdman_> is there a nice cli tool i can use within ubuntu?
[01:01] <k31th> back
[01:02] <johng> k31th did u get ur chips?
[01:02] <Seveas> how are your gfishnchips? :)
[01:02] <yo2lux> I want to use Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 on Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary, exist a way to upgrade the existent Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 ?
[01:02] <k31th> well actually
[01:02] <k31th> i got to wait 5 mins
[01:02] <ram_einstein> hi all, I just switched to ubuntu
[01:02] <k31th> so i got a tuna roll and some cookies to tie me over for 5 mins
[01:03] <johng> haah
[01:03] <ram_einstein> I have an nVidia chipset and Geforce 2 Genericonboard graphics card 32 MB RAM. Where can I get a driver?
[01:03] <k31th> i need to put on weight :p
[01:03] <johng> thats the starter
[01:03] <ram_einstein> *generic onboard
[01:03] <forsaker8k6> hi people...
[01:03] <forsaker8k6> i'm just upgrading to breezy... how much time will it take for me to regret?
[01:03] <k31th> lol
[01:04] <johng> wow ur keen forsaker8k6
[01:04] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, about 4 days
[01:04] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, because then a massive toolchain transition starts
[01:04] <johng> lmao
[01:04] <forsaker8k6> Oo
[01:04] <ram_einstein> nVidia chipset Geforce 2 Generic driver please...
[01:05] <Seveas> ram_einstein, read the BinaryDriver page on the ubuntu wiki
[01:05] <k31th> ubuntu will get wicked popular now esp with  drake only  doing 1 release a yr unless u pay
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> wow... i have only four days left to live
[01:05] <ram_einstein> okay Seveas
[01:05] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, if you can stop the upgrade, please DO
[01:05] <Seveas> breezy is NOT ready for the general public yet
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> well.. i could stop it
[01:05] <forsaker8k6> but it's stronger then me
[01:05] <johng> ubuntu us the daddy lets face it k31th
[01:05] <goo> Seveas: sounds like Desbian Sid...
[01:05] <yo2lux> I want to use Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 on Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary, exist a way to upgrade the existent Firefox 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 ?
[01:06] <Seveas> goo, ubuntu is a stable SID
[01:06] <Seveas> yo2lux, just wait, it will be released within ubuntu
[01:06] <forsaker8k6> i am at 23 percent of fetching... don't know what to do....
[01:06] <goo> Seveas: yeah, and that's why I use Ubuntu, not Debian Sid as I used to before :)
[01:06] <goo> <- General public
[01:06] <k31th> dpes ubuntu actually have employees or is it community only
[01:06] <k31th> does*
[01:06] <k31th> like gentoo and debian
[01:07] <johng> both
[01:07] <k31th> kool
[01:07] <Seveas> ubuntu is sponsored by canonical, they pay people to work on ubuntu
[01:07] <k31th> they should employee me im 1337
[01:07] <Seveas> and they pay for the hosting and the free cd's
[01:07] <johng> no u will only be 1337 when u open gnuchips
[01:07] <k31th> all i ask for is a local chipshop
[01:07] <Fator_Dee> from where Canonical gets money :-\
[01:08] <k31th> yup
[01:08] <Fator_Dee> what it does?
[01:08] <k31th> that free cd thing is awsome i might order some
[01:08] <k31th> tbh tho i wouldnt mind paying for a pressed cd
[01:08] <k31th> i feel kinda skanky getting it fr free lol
[01:08] <liable> forsaker8k6: you can stop it, change your sources back and all will be good
[01:08] <Seveas> Fator_Dee, from tech support
[01:08] <johng> get a load and give them to ur mates
[01:09] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, please stop the upgrade :)
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> liable, i know i can stop it... but i don't know if I want to stop it
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> ok ok i'll do
[01:09] <k31th> johng: yeah good thinking
[01:09] <k31th> ill do it now...
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> uff... stopped :P
[01:09] <Seveas> forsaker8k6, just wait a few weeks until this hurdle is done
[01:09] <karljp> is there anywhere that is tracking progress on breezy?  the udu/breezygoals page is good, but is there anything else?
[01:09] <forsaker8k6> ok.. i'll do tnx for the support :D
[01:09] <johng> people are more likely to try it if u give them a pressed cd
[01:09] <Seveas> karljp, #ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-devel mailing list...
[01:10] <karljp> seveas: fair enough, I guess I was after some nicely summarized thing like the breezygoals page, that I could just check and see new stuff :)
[01:10] <karljp> I guess it's not that important that I want to browse mail archives :)
[01:10] <Seveas> :)
[01:11] <the_berzerker> hey everyone
[01:11] <Seveas> hi
[01:11] <odyssey> hi dr nic
[01:11] <the_berzerker> i have a problem with my onboard via km400 vga
[01:12] <k31th> how many cds can i request?
[01:12] <johng> loads
[01:12] <karljp> as many as you want
[01:12] <johng> I got 50
[01:12] <k31th> 50 went thru ok ?
[01:12] <karljp> it's just karma you're burning if you don't really need them
[01:12] <Seveas> k31th, just be reasonable about 20-30 is normal
[01:12] <johng> I am giving loads out at work tho Seveas
[01:12] <geoffroy_> hey dudes
[01:13] <k31th> as i work in a pc shop / contractor so i could probly dash out tonnes
[01:13] <geoffroy_> i've got a stupid question as usual
[01:13] <the_berzerker> it is perfectly recognized but it doesn't support direc rendering
[01:13] <Seveas> johng, then order more :)
[01:13] <BrianB04> Hello all
[01:13] <geoffroy_> \\\\lala\E      /home/geoffroy/Desktop/E        smbfs   rw,user=Geoffroy,guest 0
[01:13] <johng> heh
[01:13] <geoffroy_> in fstab, it doesn't work
[01:13] <Seveas> 0 0
[01:13] <Seveas> not a single 0
[01:13] <k31th> thing is i dont mind burning some if it helps them out
[01:13] <geoffroy_> yeah yeah i've put a double 0
[01:13] <k31th> wats karma ?
[01:13] <Seveas> and in fstab it might have to be //lala/E
[01:13] <the_berzerker> can anyone help?
[01:13] <geoffroy_> aah!
[01:13] <johng> I think u put it on ur chips
[01:14] <geoffroy_> i try
[01:14] <geoffroy_> thx
[01:14] <the_berzerker> anyone?
[01:14] <forsaker8k6> ask the_berzerker.. someone (not me, i'm not able to) will surely help you
[01:15] <k31th> brb chipshop
[01:15] <ram_einstein> I have a doubt: In synaptic, I enabled the following two repos: ubuntu 5.04 updates, ubuntu 5.04 security updates. Are they official? If so why weren't they enabled by default?
[01:15] <k31th> FFS!!!!!!!!!! windows update just rebooted my pc with ubuntu bootable downloading on
[01:15] <Seveas> ram_einstein, they are official
[01:15] <k31th> normally it asks but no it just reboots
[01:16] <k31th> thanks bill
[01:16] <johng> k31th thats the magic of winxp
[01:16] <k31th> thanks again
[01:16] <forsaker8k6> k31th... never trust in mS things
[01:16] <k31th> its 2000
[01:16] <ram_einstein> Seveas, my second question then: why aren't they enabled by default?
[01:16] <k31th> grrr
[01:16] <Seveas> ram_einstein, ENOCLUE
[01:16] <johng> u using a dowload manager?
[01:16] <ram_einstein> okay thanks Seveas
[01:17] <odyssey> k31th, it can sense that it is threatend
[01:17] <johng> lol
[01:17] <forsaker8k6> ok... gotta go... thank you again for saving my life (and morover my psychic sanity) :P
[01:17] <the_berzerker> can anyone help with my problem? i have searched and searched google but i'm kinda lost
[01:18] <ram_einstein> doubt: what is my root password? I was never asked during the installation
[01:18] <ram_einstein> how do I reset/change it?
[01:19] <forsaker8k6> ram_einstein, is your users' password by default
[01:19] <k31th> odyssey: lol
[01:19] <ram_einstein> no forsaker8k6 user's password is user's password
[01:19] <mjr> ram_einstein, there is no root password by default, use sudo
[01:19] <k31th> odyssey: its safe untill i can vpn thru nat on the fly in ubuntu
[01:19] <ram_einstein> mjr, exactly, how do I su?
[01:19] <ram_einstein> su root that is
[01:19] <D4vid> ram_einstein, i thinq you have to read faqs ;)
[01:19] <mjr> ram_einstein, sudo -s with your user pass
[01:19] <ram_einstein> D4vid, read it
[01:20] <ram_einstein> :( can't I su root?
[01:20] <goo> ram_einstein:  do like so:  sudo su -
[01:20] <the_berzerker> hey need some of your wisdom here
[01:20] <D4vid> ram_einstein, it's what i done for the same question ;)
[01:20] <mjr> ram_einstein, it's the same effect
[01:20] <goo> ram_einstein: then do   passwd
[01:20] <goo> ram_einstein:  and it will all be normal again :)
[01:20] <ram_einstein> okay goo one sec
[01:21] <ram_einstein> thanks goo! It worked!
[01:21] <goo> ram_einstein: hooray :)
[01:21] <ram_einstein> hoary goo, I'm on hoary
[01:21] <Ribs> How can I make Ubuntu x86_64 play .wma files?
[01:22] <goo> ram_einstein: but get used to using sudo, it's really nice.
[01:22] <goo> ram_einstein: lol :))
[01:22] <ram_einstein> :)
[01:22] <ram_einstein> okay goo
[01:23] <the_berzerker> i have a problem with my onboard via km400 vga
[01:23] <the_berzerker> it is perfectly recognized but it doesn't support direct rendering
[01:23] <ram_einstein> I have another doubt: does /etc/apt/sources.list contain more repos than /etc/apt/sources.list_backup by default
[01:23] <the_berzerker> and the via_dri.so module is missing
[01:23] <ram_einstein> I'll just vim it...
[01:24] <the_berzerker> help...............
[01:25] <the_berzerker> anyone?
[01:26] <dap> hello friends
[01:26] <goldfish> hi
[01:26] <liable> the_berzerker: are you sure that even supports 3d?
[01:26] <k31th> hi
[01:27] <dap> this chat is beautiful!!! for ubuntu
[01:27] <Seveas> :)
[01:27] <k31th> ?
[01:27] <k31th> the_berzerker: watsup?
[01:30] <Lumpio-> Hi. I'm having a bit of trouble getting my wlan connection to automatically connect in Ubuntu. I'm using ndiswrapper (which loads and works fine) but I always need to manually run ifconfig wlan0 up and dhclient to get it to work.
[01:30] <Seveas> Lumpio-, have you added it to your interfaces file?
[01:31] <the_berzerker> the card supports 3d
[01:31] <the_berzerker> in windows it works fine
[01:31] <the_berzerker> in suse 9.2 a friend made it work
[01:31] <k31th> the_berzerker: wat card
[01:31] <the_berzerker> but i got rid of suse (at last:D)
[01:31] <the_berzerker> a via km400
[01:31] <the_berzerker> and i don't know how to configure it to enable dri
[01:32] <k31th> b in your xorg.conf
[01:32] <Choubaka> Lumpio-: hmm
[01:32] <k31th> in the modules load section
[01:32] <Lumpio-> Oh, heh, looks like I haven't.
[01:32] <Lumpio-> Kinda new to all this :\
[01:32] <Choubaka> Lumpio-: /etc/network/interfaces will solve your problem
[01:32] <Lumpio-> Also, the GUI network configuration thing reports that it doesn't support the platform (it only started doing it a while ago)
[01:33] <Choubaka> add these two lines there:
[01:33] <Choubaka> auto wlan0
[01:33] <Lumpio-> But I'm gonna go modify the interfaces file now.
[01:33] <Choubaka> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[01:33] <Lumpio-> Oh, thanks. Didn't even have to google
[01:33] <Choubaka> that ought to do it.
[01:33] <Choubaka> man interfaces if it doesn't :D
[01:34] <k31th> starwars is out soon
[01:35] <Lumpio-> Do I need to reboot the whole system to see if it works?
[01:35] <Choubaka> well, yeah.
[01:35] <Choubaka> but don't do it
[01:35] <Choubaka> :P
[01:35] <Choubaka> that would be silly.
[01:35] <Choubaka> Just come back here if it doesn't work the next time you boot
[01:36] <Lumpio-> Heh, okay.
[01:36] <Choubaka> or hmm
[01:36] <Lumpio-> Thanks.
[01:36] <Choubaka> try /etc/init.d/networking stop and /etc/init.d/networking start
[01:36] <k31th> im failing quite badly at getting this knoppix to boot in windoze
[01:36] <Choubaka> it'll cut your net though.
[01:36] <the_berzerker> has anyone had a similar problem?
[01:37] <Choubaka> k31th: knoppix boot to windows? :|
[01:37] <Choubaka> wrd.
[01:37] <BrianB04> Hey all, I have kind of a stupid question. Currently in the LiveCD of Ubuntu. I have a SB Audigy 2 in the computer, and the live cd didn't detect it, is the Audigy not supported?
[01:37] <Lumpio-> Still here...
[01:37] <Choubaka> wtf*
[01:37] <k31th> Choubaka: yes there is a modded version out that runs in a window in windows
[01:37] <k31th> so linux ina  window basicaly
[01:37] <Choubaka> ahh, right.
[01:37] <Choubaka> I guess it's coLinux or something?
[01:38] <Lumpio-> Perfection.
[01:38] <k31th> be nice if it worked
[01:38] <Choubaka> And you're yet another Finn. o/
[01:39] <syren> anyone using VLC for Ubuntu?
[01:39] <Choubaka> yes.
[01:39] <syren> can you help me?
[01:39] <syren> ehm
[01:39] <BrianB04> Granted, I could swap to the Live 5.1...but...
[01:39] <Choubaka> syren: What is the problem?
[01:39] <syren> when i watch a movie..
[01:39] <Choubaka> BrianB04: I thought SBs were quite nicely supported.
[01:39] <syren> "Always on Top" wont work :(
[01:39] <syren> and sometimes the subtitles wont show..
[01:40] <Choubaka> oh. Hmm
[01:40] <BrianB04> Chou: Well, it doesn't even show up in the volume system:) Nothing showing up.
[01:40] <Choubaka> I have no experience of either of those features .P
[01:40] <syren> damn! :P
[01:40] <Choubaka> But what do you mean with always on top?
[01:40] <syren> i mean like
[01:40] <syren> right click on the picture and a menu comes up
[01:41] <syren> there you can choose always on top..
[01:41] <BrianB04> Let's do a search on the internet, see if this problem has come up before.
[01:41] <syren> its good for.. like.. when you're surfing on the web..
[01:41] <syren> then you can watch a movie at the same time :)
[01:41] <Choubaka> it works for me :/
[01:41] <Choubaka> but hmm
[01:41] <syren> waaah.. :(
[01:42] <Choubaka> only if I click the titlebar and select always on top from there
[01:42] <syren> got version 0.8.1
[01:42] <Choubaka> sounds like a bug...
[01:42] <syren> still wont work :/
[01:42] <Choubaka> did you click on the titlebar? that which shows "VLC media player"
[01:43] <syren> yeah..
[01:43] <Choubaka> I'm using XFCE4 so maybe my WM handles stuff differently
[01:43] <Choubaka> but it works :/
[01:43] <syren> hmm
[01:43] <syren> you think a reinstall would work?
[01:43] <Choubaka> reinstall of what?
[01:43] <syren> VLC
[01:43] <Choubaka> I doubt it.
[01:44] <syren> hmm :(
[01:45] <synic> BrianB04: what version of the livecd?
[01:45] <BrianB04> synic: Brand new one...just downloaded it this morning.
[01:45] <BrianB04> synic: 5.04 Live.
[01:46] <syren> and anyone know why i cant write an at? :/
[01:46] <the_berzerker> k31th: i don't have direct rendering
[01:46] <Choubaka> syren: at?
[01:46] <BrianB04> synic: I would try insmod'ing the module that runs the SB cards, but I can't, for the life of me, remember the name.
[01:46] <synic> BrianB04: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-213582.html
[01:47] <Choubaka> BrianB04: emu10k or something
[01:47] <Choubaka> maybe snd_emu10k
[01:47] <BrianB04> emu10k1...actually, that's it.
[01:47] <Choubaka> ok. :)
[01:47] <synic> isn't that just for sb live?
[01:47] <Raptoid> 5.1 dont actually ?
[01:48] <Kamping_in_doze> how do i set X to listen for a remote server?
[01:49] <k31th> dammit he left
[01:49] <k31th> i only went to get a cup of tea
[01:50] <BrianB04> I just think it's cool that it managed to setup 1600x1024 @ 75 hz without the weird jumping in the corners that I constantly get in WIndows
[01:51] <lesshaste> is it possible to use cd-rw as big floppies in ubuntu. I.e. packet-writing etc.
[01:52] <lesshaste> or do you still have to use like reusable cd-r's ?
[01:52] <syren> does linux drivers for Audigy 2 ZS exist?
[01:52] <BrianB04> Need to install the nvidia drivers though, when I finally install to drive.
[01:55] <BrianB04> Now, comes the reall tricky part, finding a very, very, very niche piece of software for Linux
[01:55] <k31th> i just made a 1337 coffee coaster from a cd burn gone wrong
[01:55] <owen> will using the proper ati drivers improve normal performance? ie not games
[01:55] <icebalm> yay for coasters
[01:55] <k31th> wrote 1337 on it and used it for my mug
[01:55] <k31th> owen: no
[01:55] <BrianB04> k31th, AOL CDs make wonderful coasters
[01:56] <k31th> ha ha ha
[01:56] <k31th> aol cds go in my bin
[01:56] <owen> y not
[01:56] <k31th> i threw the last lot in the bin, went to some customers house had to get there modem and cd. wind blew the aol cd out of my hand and flew down the road !
[01:57] <k31th> my friends found it quite amusing that i was ringing everyone trying to get hold a aol cd
[01:57] <owen> ?
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> no it wont
[01:57] <Kamping_in_doze> well, it will, but you wont notice
[01:57] <k31th> owen: it just gives you 3d accell
[01:57] <owen> oh..
[01:57] <owen> k
[01:58] <Tirador> what repositories do I need for installing libdvdcss2 and other special packages?
[01:58] <k31th> its not worht the hassle unless your a gamer etc
[01:58] <owen> marillat
[01:58] <k31th> wat card do you have ?
[01:58] <owen> radeon 9250
[01:58] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:58] <k31th> no experiance with that card tbh
[01:59] <freeflying> anyone use e17?
[01:59] <Choubaka> Doesn't that model have free drivers?
[01:59] <owen> i'd do most gaming in xp anyway though
[01:59] <k31th> only done 9800 pro +
[01:59] <k31th> owen:  you need to change that :D
[01:59] <Choubaka> I haven't used windows in more than a year :P
[01:59] <Choubaka> or well, I have. But not on my home computer.
[02:00] <k31th> yeah
[02:00] <k31th> well i dont use it often now at home tbh
[02:00] <k31th> its got better apps for some stuff...
[02:00] <k31th> but i normally get by
[02:01] <k31th> only time i reboot to doze atm on my laptop is for vpn connections
[02:01] <k31th> and im trying to fix that now
[02:01] <Choubaka> linux has better basic tools.
[02:01] <owen> i don't play many games.. only now and then
[02:01] <k31th> yeah
[02:01] <k31th> same here
[02:01] <Choubaka> k31th: Linux can do VPN :|
[02:01] <k31th> all i play is HL2
[02:01] <k31th> Choubaka: i know it can
[02:01] <owen> only tool i'd use in xp that isn't on linux is indesign
[02:01] <k31th> but i want a nice easy gui
[02:01] <Choubaka> owen: Tried with WINE?)
[02:02] <owen> cs version doesn't work
[02:02] <Choubaka> k31th: hehe :P
[02:02] <syren> yes at, like in mail adresses
[02:02] <k31th> i dont mind setting it up in cmd line but when im out and about i want a gui with all the ips and users pass saved
[02:02] <Choubaka> alt-2?
[02:02] <k31th> owen: i play hl2 css in linux
[02:02] <syren> doesnt work..
[02:02] <syren> :/
[02:02] <Choubaka> alt Gr-2?
[02:02] <Choubaka> :p
[02:02] <Choubaka> @@@
[02:02] <syren> i cant! :P
[02:03] <k31th> how do i install a .deb package ?
[02:03] <Choubaka> dpkg -i .deb
[02:03] <k31th> dpkg -i
[02:03] <owen> k31th, how.. cedega?
[02:03] <k31th> yeah
[02:03] <k31th> thanks
[02:03] <syren> dpkg -i "name of deb pakage"
[02:03] <BrianB04> Okay, maybe I'm stupid, but can you install from the Ubunut Live CD?
[02:03] <k31th> owen: yes cedega
[02:03] <owen> might look into that
[02:03] <Seveas> BrianB04, not yet
[02:03] <k31th> owen worth a look
[02:03] <Choubaka> BrianB04: yes. but it's not easy.
[02:03] <k31th> ran ok on my pc and it was ati
[02:03] <Seveas> with the next version it might be possible
[02:04] <BrianB04> Next version is out in October? Not that I'm gonna wait till then to install:)
[02:04] <Choubaka> easily :P
[02:04] <Seveas> Choubaka, you mean the debootsrap dance? that's not for beginners :)
[02:04] <Choubaka> Haha. Yes.
[02:04] <Choubaka> I installed ubuntu using Debian Woody's install disc :P
[02:04] <lesshaste> any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:04] <Choubaka> should
[02:04] <k31th> humm
[02:05] <Choubaka> you may want to try modprobe udf
[02:05] <k31th> is it ok to install kde libs running gnome for a package
[02:05] <k31th> its sposed to run in kde
[02:05] <k31th> but i dont like kde so much i presume if i install the libs
[02:05] <k31th> it should work
[02:05] <k31th> ?
[02:05] <Choubaka> it will
[02:05] <syren> not anyone who knows what to do with the "AT" problem? :P
[02:05] <k31th> snorted..
[02:05] <Kamping_in_doze> you will need to install some of kde
[02:05] <parax> hi
[02:05] <k31th> ill apt them
[02:05] <kart_> k31th: works well
[02:05] <Kamping_in_doze> hi parax
[02:05] <Choubaka> what window manager or desktop damager you have doesn't matter.
[02:05] <kart_> kdebase, kdelibs
[02:06] <BrianB04> k31th, You get to play the "Guess the deb you need" game for that;)
[02:06] <Choubaka> well, only if the .deb he installed doesn't know its dependencies.
[02:06] <Choubaka> and he can ldd /program/path/and/name to get the libraries it's linked against.
[02:06] <BrianB04> I like that game: ./configure "Missing blah" Okay, hunt hunt hunt, maybe it's in that, nope, wasn't there:)
[02:06] <acs> hi dudes! are you aware about the problem with firefox in the last security update? Downloads from firefox doesn't work anymore
[02:07] <parax> anyone knows how to rename a lot of files/directories to utf8?
[02:07] <mjr> parax, convmv
[02:08] <parax> mjr, thanks!
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> utf8-migration-tool - convert to UTF-8 locale including renaming of files
[02:08] <k31th> isunt it apt-get -f  install
[02:08] <Seveas> -f is for force
[02:08] <Seveas> use that with caution
[02:09] <parax> HrdwrBoB, that seems to be useful too, thanks!
[02:09] <k31th> i had to force it to get it to instal the kde libs etc
[02:09] <k31th> should i can it its still downloading the file
[02:10] <lesshaste> any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:13] <Rudi> what is console command that run "Add/remove Programs"?
[02:13] <garnertr> morning all... :)
[02:13] <newcoder> hi :)
[02:13] <wulfy814> morning! (on the east coast anyway)
[02:14] <Bazzi> afternoon!
[02:14] <Myrtti> indeed
[02:14] <wulfy814> I just did a fresh install of hoary with software RAID for my /home
[02:14] <Rudi> Please, what is console command that run "Add/remove Programs"?
[02:14] <garnertr> Well I guess it is all relative! :) har har
[02:14] <newcoder> actually  good night all lol
[02:14] <wulfy814> it stops in the boot process and I have to mount it manually
[02:14] <wulfy814> I just do "mount /dev/md0 /home" then "exit"
[02:14] <wulfy814> and everything seems to work fine
[02:15] <garnertr> Can I ask a dweeb Ubuntu question?
[02:15] <Seveas> Rudi, apt-get install
[02:15] <Seveas> or apt-get remove
[02:15] <garnertr> what is up w/ the "names" like Horay, Breezy?  Are they like revisions?
[02:15] <Seveas> warty = codename for ubuntu 4.10
[02:15] <wulfy814> actually it appears to be working now - just did a full power down to be sure
[02:15] <Seveas> Hoary = 5.04
[02:15] <Seveas> Breezy will be 5.10
[02:16] <wulfy814> I didn't do anything though the /etc/fstab looks good to me
[02:16] <garnertr> ahhh major revisons, OK, thanks... I'm a nrebie, still attempting to learn
[02:16] <Seveas> garnertr, not major revisions
[02:16] <Seveas> versions :)
[02:16] <garnertr> also, my DVD Burner is not recognized at all and I think I've got something wrong w/ my /etc/fstab setup...
[02:16] <Rudi> Seveas: No, no i require the "simple" dialog, from Applications-System Tools-Add/Remove Programs.
[02:16] <garnertr> thanks Seveas! :)
[02:17] <lesshaste> hello...any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:18] <BoD_SWAT> I used fglrxconfig to set up my ATI card. Now dual-screen works :). My problem however is that my DVI port is always used as the connector for my primary screen. This must be set to secondary, how can I do that?
[02:18] <garnertr> I'm still attempting to learn my way through Linux and Ubunutu.  So far, after playing around w/ several distros, I'm finding Ubuntu to be my most favorite (that and it recognized most of my hardware)
[02:18] <Seveas> rudi, that's gnome-app-install
[02:18] <BoD_SWAT> http://pastebin.com/283141
[02:18] <Seveas> garnertr, you are not the first to have this opinion :)
[02:18] <Rudi> Seveas: It works, very thanks!
[02:20] <Aemaeth> BoD_SWAT, does fglrxconfig also help you setup dual monitors when the one on the dvi is composite?
[02:21] <dead^^> hi, again. i didn't got the scandinavian letters working. does anyone know command to it. the characterset is ISO-8859-1 but i don't know how can i get i working =P
[02:21] <dead^^> - i
[02:21] <garnertr> Now if I can just convince my wife to let me wipe her windows machines, but alas, I'd have to install wine for the children to play their games har har
[02:21] <Seveas> dead^^,  /charset ISO-8859-1
[02:21] <goo> My wife runs Ubuntu
[02:21] <Seveas> i thought :)
[02:21] <BoD_SWAT> Aemaeth, fglrxconfig indeed set up my dual-screen setup
[02:21] <BoD_SWAT> but I already had this problem before
[02:21] <dead^^> Seveas, thanks, again
[02:22] <Aemaeth> BoD_SWAT, my second monitor is composite, so it will be interesting to see if ubuntu can handle that
[02:22] <newcoder> seems like ubuntu is very user friendly
[02:22] <newcoder> :)
[02:22] <BoD_SWAT> Aemaeth, http://pastebin.com/283141  --> My xorg.conf file
[02:22] <Rudi> And how i disable minimizing animation in gnome? This is my eternal problem. ;-((
[02:22] <Aemaeth> garnertr, wine does not do games well
[02:22] <garnertr> coming from my point of view, it is VERY friendly
[02:22] <syren> how can i get Wine running with steam?
[02:22] <syren> and WoW and such games?
[02:22] <garnertr> ahhh Thanks for the tip Aemaeth
[02:22] <Aemaeth> wine = games
[02:22] <newcoder> friendlier than FC? lol
[02:22] <Aemaeth> sorry
[02:22] <Aemaeth> wine != games
[02:22] <Aemaeth> look up transgaming
[02:23] <garnertr> ;)
[02:23] <Aemaeth> cedega
[02:23] <Aemaeth> and even then, its touch and go
[02:23] <Aemaeth> linux is just not a gaming os as predominantly like windows yet
[02:23] <newcoder> how about comparing to XP
[02:23] <newcoder> lol
[02:23] <garnertr> all my hardware is USB, and Ubuntu gets through that part w/ no problem, I have a 4-port hub that I use between my wife's/my comp and everything is good; just the bloody build in dr on the laptop isn't recognized for some odd reason
[02:24] <BoD_SWAT> Aemaeth, you'll have to TRY fgrlxconfig.... but plz backup your current xorg.conf file
[02:24] <Aemaeth> lol, as always
[02:24] <Seveas> garnertr, dr?
[02:25] <Rudi> How i disable minimizing animation in gnome? This is my eternal problem. ;-((
[02:25] <Aemaeth> i think he means hdd, yes?
[02:25] <garnertr> dr=drive
[02:25] <Amaranth> Rudi: What animation?
[02:26] <Rudi> Amaranth: When i do minimize button on window top.
[02:26] <garnertr> oops, I meant to say "built in dvd drive" sorry... :)
[02:26] <Rudi> Amaranth: When i click on minimize button on window top.
[02:27] <Amaranth> Rudi: I wouldn't call that animation. :P
[02:27] <Amaranth> Rudi: Why do you want to disable it?
[02:28] <mainer> cause its hard on the eyes,lol
[02:28] <mainer> i want to too
[02:28] <garnertr> well, I must go for now, I'll be back in later tonight w/ more ????'s, thanks for the tips ppl, must go to my ship and play navy dweeb... cya...
[02:29] <YuWei> anybody here know how to save the change of font in xterm?
[02:30] <Aemaeth> save the session as defauly
[02:30] <Aemaeth> default*
[02:30] <mjr> YuWei, you can set it in X resources
[02:30] <syren> what torrent client do you guys use for linux?
[02:30] <mjr> syren, bittornado
[02:30] <YuWei> where can i find it?
[02:30] <Aemaeth> or use konsole :) i find konsole easier
[02:30] <syren> got a download link mjr?
[02:30] <mjr> syren, "apt-get install"
[02:31] <mjr> (from universe)
[02:31] <syren> ah ;)
[02:31] <mjr> YuWei, don't recall, I'd recommend gnome-terminal, requires less manual tuning
[02:31] <SiRrUs> hello all
[02:31] <syren> didnt know you could get it there..
[02:31] <Amaranth> I can't find anything in gconf to disable that animation. Sorry guys, looks like it's built in.
[02:31] <Amaranth> syren: I use bittorrent 4.
[02:32] <Amaranth> syren: Much better then bittornado
[02:32] <syren> amaranth: "apt-get bittorrent 4"?
[02:32] <mainer> yeah,i just checked it too,t.y.,anyway
[02:32] <Amaranth> nope, it's not in any repository
[02:32] <Bandit> SiRrUs hey, you keep forgetting noone says hello here ;)
[02:32] <Amaranth> http://www.bittorrent.com
[02:33] <ivoks> hm...
[02:33] <Amaranth> That remind me, I need to finish my modifications and packaging for that and get it into universe
[02:34] <synic> ubuntu comes with a pretty good bittorrent client...
[02:35] <syren> amaranth: how do you start the program?
[02:35] <TaxMan> How do I uninstall Ubuntu? Last time I tried I just formatted its partition but then when I booted it had problems. So in other words, how do I make the Windows partition the booting one so that GRUB isn't called upon?
[02:36] <Amaranth> syren: You'd better stick to bittornado until I finish getting this packaged.
[02:36] <syren> amaranth: okay
[02:37] <lesshaste> hello...any ubuntu kernel support UDF/packet writing?
[02:37] <zoddan> How do i replace the gnome loading splash ?
[02:37] <mirak> 5D5C5A5B5~5
[02:38] <Amaranth> lesshaste: You mean something like /dev/net/tun?
[02:38] <unf> nas
[02:38] <Seveas> Amaranth, no, it'c cd recording :)
[02:38] <lesshaste> Amaranth, for cd-rws
[02:38] <Amaranth> oh, ok
[02:38] <Amaranth> no idea
[02:38] <Seveas> zoddan, system->preferences->theme?
[02:39] <zoddan> Seveas: no
[02:39] <zoddan> Seveas: i mean the loading screen after you logged in
[02:39] <zoddan> Seveas: with the blinking icons thats showing whats loading
[02:39] <Seveas> zoddan, find out which png/jpg file it is and replace it ;)
[02:40] <Seveas> it's somewhere under /usr/share/themes
[02:40] <zoddan> doh
[02:40] <zoddan> can i just change it with some program in gnome ?
[02:40] <zoddan> you can do that in KDE
[02:40] <zoddan> so why not gnome then
[02:40] <Seveas> zoddan, it's part of the theme. You should eihter use another theme or replace the imagefile
[02:41] <zoddan> i have changed the theme
[02:41] <lesshaste> Seveas, any idea?
[02:41] <zoddan> but the splash has not been replaced
[02:41] <syren> how can i know what command i start bittornado-gui with?
[02:42] <zoddan> Seveas: any other way ?
[02:42] <Seveas> lesshaste, no
[02:42] <lesshaste> :(
[02:42] <Seveas> zoddan, not that i know of (but contrary to popular belief i'm not omniscient)
[02:43] <zoddan>  dont whant that ugly logo at login :P
[02:43] <zoddan> dunno how to replace it
[02:43] <syren> yeah, how do i remove the ubuntu splash logo?
[02:43] <Rudi> Amaranth: When i click on minimize button, wireframed window is minimized to panel.
[02:44] <zoddan>  hum  /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png
[02:44] <zoddan> ?
[02:44] <Amaranth> Rudi: I know.
[02:44] <Amaranth> Rudi: I don't know how to turn it off.
[02:44] <Rudi> Amaranth: Aha. Ok.
[02:45] <A-z-i-z> hello
[02:45] <A-z-i-z> when i click on a link to download, it doesn't give me an option to where to save the file
[02:45] <tim7575> just installed ubuntu with no probs
[02:46] <tim7575> EXCEPT the display is all over the place.... any help?
[02:46] <tim7575> had a similar problem with another distro and was told i needed to edit the displaymode lines in the root?
[02:46] <tim7575> im a newbie
[02:46] <Seveas> A-z-i-z, use rightclick->save as
[02:46] <lesshaste> is software suspend available in ubuntu?
[02:47] <ivoks> yes
[02:48] <Tirador> somebody has xine installed. my xine is very slow with dvd playback
[02:49] <Seveas> zoddan, /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/ubuntu*
[02:49] <CarlK> Tirador - did you enable DMA on your DVD drive?
[02:49] <Aemaeth> i always had probs with xine...
[02:49] <Aemaeth> oh, btw, ubuntu has apt-get, yes?
[02:50] <Seveas> yes
[02:50] <tim7575> please
[02:50] <Tirador> CarlK, good point :)
[02:50] <Aemaeth> good
[02:50] <Aemaeth> i shall have to get used to it from urpmi :(
[02:51] <CarlK> Tirador - #8 on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:52] <tim7575> just installed ubuntu with no probs
[02:52] <tim7575> had a similar problem with another distro and was told i needed to edit the displaymode lines in the root?
[02:52] <tim7575> EXCEPT the display is all over the place.... any help?
[02:53] <bluurpie> meaning with apt-get, we don need any other compiler to install softwares?
[02:53] <Seveas> indeed
[02:53] <Aemaeth> the refresh rate is wrong
[02:53] <Seveas> bluurpie, and if you don't like the command line, there's synaptic
[02:54] <tim7575> ok how do i fix it?
[02:54] <jon21> My fresh ubuntu 5.04 install won't boot...
[02:56] <Adross> can anyone access google news?
[02:56] <BrianB04> Yea, the switch from the Audigy 2 to the 5.1 worked
[02:56] <bluurpie> Oh yeah seveas
[02:56] <bluurpie> i read that too
[02:57] <bluurpie> thanks :)
[02:57] <medication> i can Adross
[02:57] <BrianB04> So, I am now downloading the install CD, gonna burn it, and install it:)
[02:58] <tim7575> Adross: i can access it
[02:58] <medication> just wanted to say thanks!
[02:58] <Adross> hmm, odd
[02:59] <medication> Adross: is it only Google news that you can't reach?
[03:00] <Adross> all that i've noticed
[03:00] <the_berzerker> hey guys
[03:00] <bluurpie> oh yeah guys
[03:00] <bluurpie> i had my ubuntu installed the 2nd time
[03:00] <bluurpie> and my thumbdrive doesn't show up
[03:00] <the_berzerker> how can i put two mounted partitions to the computer and places???
[03:01] <bluurpie> it was detected but the drive couldn't be accessed unlike the 1st installation i had..anyone encountered that?
[03:01] <Seveas> the_berzerker, mount them with the user option
[03:01] <the_berzerker> seveas, u mean in fstab?
[03:02] <Seveas> yes the_berzerker
[03:02] <the_berzerker> seveas, i just put user in the options right?
[03:02] <MattFlet> johng: regarding my freeview tuner card, i've never tried to get it working under linux. i might have a go tonight when i get home and let you know how i get on
[03:03] <Seveas> the_berzerker, yes :)
[03:03] <rol1> hello
[03:03] <the_berzerker> thnx mate;-)
[03:03] <rol1> does anyone knopw when will be ready any emule client package?
[03:04] <rol1> both amule an xmule seem broken for too much time..
[03:04] <tfar> hi
[03:04] <the_berzerker> seveas, they show up but not with the labels i put in fstab
[03:05] <isieo> bluurpie: i got the same problem but.. i have no idea how to fix it X_X
[03:05] <tfar> how do i get access to my music on a ntfs partition?
[03:05] <kellinaidan> Any chance anyone is going to be able to get me to running ubuntu on a tv-out for an nVidia card?
[03:06] <rol1> tfar
[03:06] <rol1> u have to have yr ntfs paRTIOTION MOUNTED
[03:06] <rol1> ups
[03:06] <rol1> sorry the caps
[03:07] <tfar> roll: how do i do this?
[03:07] <Seveas> the_berzerker, there was someone with that problem yesterday too
[03:07] <Seveas> we couldn;t find a solution, sorry
[03:07] <rol1> search for "windows partitions" in the forum
[03:07] <bluurpie> isieo: u had that prob too? gosh...
[03:07] <Seveas> tfar, mount -t ntfs /dev/yourdisk /your/mountpoint
[03:07] <tfar> ok
[03:07] <rol1> in the wiki
[03:08] <isieo> X_X
[03:08] <rol1> but it's better if u have itin yr fstab
[03:08] <mainer> it may be mounted ro=readonly,should be rw=read/write
[03:08] <tfar> i'm pretty new in linux
[03:08] <Quazion> is there a way to switch languages ?
[03:08] <tim7575> i have a display problem with ubuntu after first install, ive ctrl alt f1'd out to [ryan@ryan ~1] .. hwre to from now?
[03:09] <mainer> if you want to write dta to that part,if not,ro is good
[03:09] <trondd> Hi! I need to disable speedstep on my laptop, how can I do this in ubuntu?
[03:09] <A-z-i-z> what's the most famous open source java compiler ?
[03:09] <hac> What is the best script for Xchat?
[03:09] <mainer> xlack    http://xlack.tk
[03:09] <mainer> for hac
[03:10] <Seveas> mainer, you cannot write to ntfs...
[03:10] <hac> mainer: thx
[03:10] <mainer> you can with captiventfs,althought there have been known probs
[03:10] <the_berzerker> seveas, do u know the solution?
[03:10] <Aemaeth> xlack is good
[03:11] <Aemaeth> not yet sure on some of the commands on it yet though :(
[03:11] <Seveas> trondd, by putting centrino_speedstep in the hotplug blacklist
[03:11] <wulfy814> new question - Open Office 2.0 - the fonts in writer look terrible compared to 1.14 how do I fix?
[03:12] <Seveas> wulfy814, OOo 2.0 isn't out yet
[03:12] <Seveas> only betas
[03:12] <Aemaeth> well he was obviously reffering to the beta then?
[03:13] <nijan> after upgrading to hoary i have serious audio problem, i cannot play mo3..
[03:13] <nijan> mp3, i installed all the plugin necessary and amarok doesn't let me change engine more
[03:14] <nijan> i can just use vlc but the audio is really low
[03:14] <synic> what hard drive mp3 players are known to work with linux?
[03:14] <nijan> ipod
[03:15] <liable> synic: what do you mean?
[03:15] <syren> anyone know if you can assign a command to like.. the F2 button for an example?
[03:15] <Aemaeth> anything that will recognise as an external drive in windows should run in linux fine
[03:15] <Aemaeth> its only funky ones that need special things
[03:15] <nijan> syren man sysctl.conf
[03:15] <synic> Aemaeth: heh, I don't have windows installed to be trying that out.
[03:16] <liable> syren: yah, xmodmap, google it
[03:16] <synic> so iPods are known to work then...
[03:16] <syren> okay :)
[03:16] <tim7575> i have a display problem with ubuntu after first install, ive ctrl+alt+f1'd out to [ryan@ryan ~1] .. where to from now?
[03:16] <Aemaeth> synic....
[03:16] <Seveas> [alt] [F7]  gives you the GUI back
[03:16] <Aemaeth> i was essentially reffering to 99% of mp3 players
[03:17] <synic> Aemaeth: I think you're wrong there.
[03:17] <synic> most players don't support mass storage
[03:17] <synic> hard drive players anyway.
[03:17] <tfar> thx & cu
[03:17] <Aemaeth> what country are you from?
[03:17] <Aemaeth> cos most of them work like that here
[03:18] <synic> the USA.
[03:18] <tim7575> seveas: yeh i know that, i need to edit the display depth part of some config file?
[03:18] <synic> creative nomads don't support mass storage, neither do the rio karmas, nor the panasonic one
[03:18] <Seveas> tim7575, probably /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:18] <DunkMaster> hello
[03:18] <DunkMaster> is it ok to try ubuntu on 200MMX machine?
[03:19] <nijan> no
[03:19] <tim7575> Seveas: yep thats the one.. care to guide me through?
[03:19] <thenuke> DunkMaster: yes
[03:19] <Seveas> it'll be quite slow DunkMaster
[03:19] <thenuke> DunkMaster: but not with the gnome
[03:19] <DunkMaster> slower than mandrake 10.0?
[03:19] <Seveas> tim7575, i would if i had experience in editing xorg configs
[03:19] <DunkMaster> IceWM?
[03:19] <tim7575> anyone else?
[03:19] <Aemaeth> synic, then dont buy one of them?
[03:19] <thenuke> DunkMaster: you need to use some lightweight windowmanager instead of gnome
[03:19] <DunkMaster> like IceWM or Fluxbox?
[03:20] <Seveas> indeed
[03:20] <synic> Aemaeth: ok, so besides the iPod, name one that does support mass storage.  _then_ you would be answering my original question.
[03:20] <DunkMaster> do they come with the CD?
[03:20] <Aemaeth> iRiver h340
[03:20] <Seveas> nope DunkMaster
[03:20] <DunkMaster> well, i was able to run mdk with kde
[03:20] <DunkMaster> :P
[03:21] <synic> Aemaeth: thank you.
[03:21] <tim7575> Seveas said: tim7575, i would if i had experience in editing xorg configs <---- anyone else care to help a newbie?
[03:21] <DunkMaster> then ill be able to do it with gnome
[03:21] <Aemaeth> creative muvo tx fm (although its a flash drive)
[03:21] <DunkMaster> thank you
[03:21] <Aemaeth> icky... kde
[03:21] <DunkMaster> IceWM atl
[03:21] <DunkMaster> *atm
[03:21] <mainer> tim7575: use xorgconfig from cli as root
[03:21] <Aemaeth> synic, i wouldnt reccomend buying those iriver ones though
[03:21] <synic> no?
[03:21] <kellinaidan> Any thoughts on tv-out on ubuntu?
[03:22] <Aemaeth> they arent very good, and are very expensive
[03:22] <Aemaeth> ipods are better imho
[03:22] <tim7575> mainer: im a noob.....?
[03:22] <Seveas> tim7575, if you do that, backup your xorg.conf first...
[03:23] <aziz> how do i play mp3 on Ubuntu ? totem can't play them
[03:23] <mainer> tim7575: it's interactive if you have your system specs its practically newb_proof
[03:23] <Seveas> aziz, install either totem-xine or gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:23] <tim7575> well i dont know what cli is to begin with
[03:23] <DunkMaster> ubuntu is on one CD?
[03:24] <DunkMaster> am i right?
[03:24] <mainer> tim7575: in root terminal type xorgconfig,then answer questions
[03:24] <mainer> dunkmaster-yes
[03:24] <DunkMaster> ok
[03:24] <aziz> what about Real Player files ?
[03:24] <Aemaeth> mainer, can xorgconfig setup dual monitors?
[03:24] <Aemaeth> eg, how powerfull is it?
[03:25] <Aemaeth> house pet?
[03:25] <Aemaeth> lol
[03:25] <mainer> not sure,but try it at least,be easier than manually editing xorg.conf if youre new
[03:25] <Aemaeth> i have tried modding xorg.conf before in mdk10.1
[03:25] <DunkMaster> yea
[03:25] <Aemaeth> didnt get it to work
[03:26] <DunkMaster> and,?
[03:26] <DunkMaster> you messed it up?
[03:26] <Aemaeth> not sure, it just didnt work
[03:26] <Aemaeth> eg, no change
[03:26] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide,org
[03:26] <DunkMaster> ok
[03:26] <Aemaeth> my main issue is that my second monitor is composite, and hence the video card has to be told to sync on green. which i am unsure of
[03:27] <kellinaidan> Aemaeth - are you running tv-out? I want to - I don't have a primary monitor. Just the tv.
[03:27] <Aemaeth> no
[03:27] <Aemaeth> dvi converter to vga, which converts to some mad mindfuck plug, which goes into my 21" sun monitor
[03:29] <fsapo> hi.. anyone here have some kind of experience in video encoding?
[03:29] <DunkMaster> what is breezy?
[03:29] <Seveas> the next version of ubuntu
[03:30] <fsapo> DunkMaster, next ubuntu version..
[03:30] <tim7575> that didnt work!
[03:30] <trondd> Seveas: I tried blacklisting the speedstep-modules, but they are still loaded...
[03:30] <DunkMaster> okay
[03:30] <aziz> i get the message "Audio codec 'MPEG 2 Layer 3 CBR' is not handled" when i try to play mp3 on Totem .. I installed totem-xine
[03:31] <fsapo> anyone here could help me think in a video resize stuff? i m stuck with it :(
[03:31] <Fator_Dee> aziz: have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[03:32] <Fator_Dee> aziz: it's in universe repository
[03:32] <aziz> I just did ...
[03:32] <aziz> okay.. it is playing mp3s now
[03:32] <deFrysk> use rhythmbox for playing mp3`s
[03:33] <Fator_Dee> or xmms or bmp or muine or (insert player X)
[03:34] <aziz> okay. what about .rm files ? when i use totem to play them i get "Audio codec 'Sipro' is not handled"
[03:34] <Fator_Dee> I think there's something regarding that on ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <fsapo> aziz, www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <fsapo> aziz, search for real media
[03:35] <deFrysk> http://www.real.com/player/?src=realplayer
[03:35] <MuStR> rythmbox isn't too good
[03:35] <MuStR> unless I am missing the option where it lets you choose the output driver
[03:36] <MuStR> or whatever it's called
[03:36] <MuStR> ie: alsa
[03:36] <selinium> hi all, I have just accidently hit the delete button whilst trying to do an archive i need those files! I was running nautilus under sudo. Where is the root trash bin?
[03:36] <MuStR> selenium, go to a terminal
[03:36] <MuStR> type sudo nautilus
[03:36] <selinium> k
[03:36] <MuStR> press ctrl+h
[03:36] <DunkMaster> terminal is your friend
[03:36] <MuStR> you should be in the /root dir
[03:37] <MuStR> look for a folder called .Trash
[03:37] <geoffroy_> hey, is there anybody who knows how to manage wifi with ubuntu ?
[03:37] <MuStR> your files should be thar
[03:38] <rick_> what kind of wifi card?
[03:38] <dcraven> OT: Who is the/an HTML dude here?
[03:38] <geoffroy_> atheros chipset
[03:39] <geoffroy_> my card is recognized
[03:39] <Seveas> dcraven, /me :)
[03:39] <tim7575> xorgconfig failed to solve my problem
[03:39] <Seveas> geoffroy_, i have a madwifi, works like a charm :)
[03:39] <rick_> I found a wiki on ubuntu (I think)
[03:40] <geoffroy_> yeah Seveas, but it's a wpa network
[03:40] <rick_> if you go to system -> administration -> networking is your card there?
[03:40] <geoffroy_> yeah
[03:40] <dcraven> Seveas: Do you know how to prevent a newline from being inserted? As in, if my HTML doc has the words "Mr. Seveas", I *never* want a newline between those words.
[03:40] <geoffroy_> it's here, i can configure it
[03:40] <Seveas> geoffroy_, for me too :)
[03:40] <geoffroy_> oh ?
[03:40] <geoffroy_> i'm sure you can help me again so
[03:40] <geoffroy_> i did a script
[03:40] <Seveas> dcraven, replace the spaces between Mr. and Seveas with &nbsp;
[03:40] <geoffroy_> actually, I borrowed a script
[03:40] <dcraven> Seveas: In LaTeX, it would be a ~ for example.
[03:41] <dcraven> Seveas: You da man, sorry for going OT :)
[03:41] <Seveas> geoffroy_, wasn't that my script (yesterday?)
[03:41] <geoffroy_> i wonder....!
[03:41] <tim7575> ok i gtg.. hopefull tomorow there will be someone to help me
[03:41] <geoffroy_> i think it was yours
[03:41] <Seveas> lol :)
[03:41] <geoffroy_> with root/ssidselect ?
[03:42] <Seveas> yeah!
[03:42] <trondd> Sorry, but I am no used to ubuntu/debian: How can I disable a service from being started?
[03:42] <geoffroy_> hmmmm
[03:42] <rick_> remove the script from /etc/rc3.d
[03:42] <fsapo> man.. resizing video almost made my brain burn O.o
[03:42] <Seveas> rick_, that won't work
[03:43] <crimsun> trondd: man update-rc.d
[03:43] <Seveas> trondd, it's not a nice way, but the easiest is chmod -x /etc/init.d/SERVICENAME
[03:43] <crimsun> rick_: ubuntu, like debian, uses runlevel 2 by default. no runlevel games.
[03:43] <Seveas> crimsun, update-rc.d is no good to
[03:43] <Seveas> will be reset on updates
[03:43] <trondd> crimsun: thanks (I am switching from gentoo, so I am a bit confused... :) )
[03:44] <crimsun> Seveas: yeah, that's being worked on for breezy
[03:44] <sgmihai> how do i change the default window manager?
[03:44] <crimsun> Seveas: (in terms of the services manager)
[03:44] <osity> snyone good with software raid?
[03:45] <or1on> does anyone have any experience with gdesklets under ubuntu hoary?
[03:45] <Seveas> i have, or1on
[03:45] <or1on> well, here's the problem:
[03:46] <selinium> MuStR: chhers for your help!
[03:46] <or1on> I just installed it thru apt
[03:46] <or1on> gdesklets and gdesklets-data
[03:46] <geoffroy_> erm
[03:46] <geoffroy_> sorry
[03:46] <or1on> but when I try to open a .display-file, the gdesklets-shell just opens and stays empty
[03:46] <or1on> nothing hapens
[03:46] <tfar> how do i install software, which isn't listed in synaptic?
[03:46] <or1on> *happens*
[03:47] <jeroen_> tfar: easiest way: get a *.deb file
[03:47] <geoffroy_> fucking wpa tkip network
[03:47] <geoffroy_> i wonder why it doesn't work
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> dpkg -i <deb file>
[03:47] <geoffroy_> i have to go, ciao
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> or
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> ./configure
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> make install
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> or
[03:47] <Seveas> or1on, , and if you try to enable it from within gdesklets?
[03:47] <dataw0lf|w> ./<install script>
[03:47] <jeroen_> or sh ./<install script>
[03:48] <Seveas> tfar, the short answer is: it depends on what you want to install :)
[03:48] <MuStR> selinium: glad I was able to help
[03:48] <dataw0lf|w> I'd assume someone was already in the default shell, jeroen_
[03:48] <Seveas> tfar, and if you tell us what you want to install, we can be of more help :)
[03:48] <trondd> crimsun: sorry but I don't get it.. Should I delete the file from /etc/init.d and run update-rc.d?
[03:48] <Seveas> trondd, no, don't touch update-rc.d
[03:48] <tfar> Seveas,  i want to install Psi, a jabber client.
[03:48] <osity> no raid experts in today?
[03:49] <Seveas> trondd, just chmod -x the file in init.d
[03:49] <or1on> Seveas: the only thing I can do from the shell is: use the menu to install a package, and click on the 2 buttons (but even then nothing happens)
[03:49] <MuStR> tfar: are there instructions included with the client?
[03:49] <trondd> Seveas: thanks, will do that...
[03:49] <or1on> Seveas: the list above the buttons is empty also
[03:49] <Seveas> tfar, psi is in the repositories
[03:49] <MuStR> there should be.
[03:49] <MuStR> ooh rochester
[03:49] <Seveas> tfar, you have to enable universe (read the AddingRepositoriesHowto) on the wiki
[03:50] <Seveas> and than you can use synaptic
[03:50] <Seveas> trondd, that's odd
[03:51] <alekandr> afternoon all!
[03:51] <Seveas> trondd, you dant have a list of desklets in the left part of the shell>
[03:51] <alekandr> anyone know how to set gdm to default display manager from xdm ?
[03:52] <MuStR> lol
[03:52] <MuStR> uninstall xdm :-P
[03:52] <crimsun> alekandr: it should be by default
[03:52] <alekandr> dcraven: html is easy.. just learn from various sources.. php is the real bastard!
[03:52] <MuStR> that's probably not the correct way to do it, but that's what I did
[03:52] <MuStR> ...with kdm
[03:52] <Seveas> php is easy too..
[03:52] <jeroen_> dcraven: html with tables sucks ;)
[03:53] <MuStR> just about every programming language is "easy" if you're comparing it to assembly.
[03:53] <dcraven> alekandr: Well html is simple, but it's a drag when you are trying to do something off the beaten path and you can't accomplish it.. hehe
[03:53] <MuStR> if you think what you're doing is hard, take a look at asm
[03:53] <MuStR> :p
[03:53] <alekandr> crimsun: it was.. until i apt-get installed fluxbox, and then gdm wouldnt start. so i installed xdm, and set it too default.. i cant seem to find the config file. and rc-update is not a know process otherwise id have done it that way
[03:53] <Seveas> dcraven, www.w3schools.com has some great tutorials
[03:53] <alekandr> dcraven: lol.. i get ya
[03:53] <dcraven> I'm trying to make an image and a word to appear together, but never with a newline between them.
[03:54] <crimsun> alekandr: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:54] <jeroen_> you mean with a caption, dcraven?
[03:54] <Seveas> <img src="..." alt="..." />&nbsp;TheWord
[03:54] <dcraven> Seveas: Yeah, w3schools has been a lot of help with CSS.
[03:54] <MuStR> crimsun: while you're at it, how can I choose my default window manager?
[03:54] <dcraven> Seveas: That doesn't work. I just tried that.
[03:54] <or1on> is it possible to delete folders that still contain files from the shell? (rm doesn't work)
[03:55] <Seveas> dcraven, make sure there are *NO* spaces between > and &nbsp
[03:55] <alekandr> crimsun: /usr/bin/X11/xdm
[03:55] <jeroen_> dcraven: if you mean with caption, I know a solution
[03:55] <rick_> try rm -rf
[03:55] <Seveas> and between &nbsp; and theword
[03:55] <rick_> but be careful when using it
[03:55] <crimsun> alekandr: change that to /usr/bin/gdm
[03:55] <alekandr> crimsun: thanks mate!
[03:55] <dcraven> jeroen_: No, not a caption. On the same line like "<image>MyWord".
[03:55] <crimsun> alekandr: by using dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:55] <alekandr> ok
[03:55] <crimsun> MuStR: there are a number of gconf keys you need to set
[03:56] <Seveas> or1on, rm -r (r means recursive) is the way. but it's dangerous so be careful :)
[03:56] <or1on> right, just found it in the man. Thx anyway rick_
[03:56] <crimsun> MuStR: a number of people have tackled this on the wiki
[03:56] <MuStR> rgr, ty
[03:56] <dcraven> Seveas: I should add that the 'word' is actually an href.
[03:56] <alekandr> crimsun: done.. all sorted. thanks mate
[03:56] <alekandr> dcraven: alt tag?
[03:57] <Seveas> <img >&nbsp<a href>yaddaydda</a>
[03:57] <Seveas> just make sure there are no spaces
[03:57] <Seveas> and that &nbsp is spelt &nbsp;
[03:57] <dcraven> Seveas: I tried that. I'll experiment some more since you seem so sure it should work. :)
[03:57] <alekandr> <img src="source" alt=""> text here
[03:58] <Seveas> dcraven, it's been an important part of one of my pages :)(
[03:58] <admx> Hello, Does anyone know of any linux programs like DVDShrink? I have heard of DVDRip but not sure if it will also shrink dvd sizes.
[03:58] <trondd> Seveas: ?
[03:58] <or1on> Seveas: found it! it was an installation fault. After fully deleting the folder and reinstalling it's a go :-p
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> admx: dvdrip makes divxs (and friends)
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> not DVDs
[03:59] <Seveas> trondd, ?
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> as far as I'm aware such a program does not exist
[03:59] <alekandr> irssi-text is goddly!
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> yes it is :)
[03:59] <wdh> alekandr, we all know that :)
[04:00] <admx> Oh, so I guess vmware will be needed for that program still.  Thz
[04:00] <trondd> Seveas: you asked me something, but I didn't get it. Nevermind...
[04:00] <trondd> Does anyone here use urxvt?
[04:00] <trondd> My settings aren't reconized... Does ubuntu read .Xdefaults or .Xresources on startup?
[04:00] <snoop_> anyone know how to configure a wireless card with a broadcom chipset?
[04:01] <crimsun> trondd: the latter
[04:01] <Seveas> snoop_, you need ndiswrapper for that
[04:01] <Seveas> snoop_, there is a howto on the wiki
[04:02] <snoop_> Seveas, i tired to use that but it didnt work...
[04:02] <dcraven> Seveas: '<img src="link_icon.png" />&nbsp;<a href="http://www.pygtk.org">PyGTK</a>' doesn't work.
[04:02] <dcraven> Bugger.
[04:02] <snoop_> Seveas, i set up ndiswrapper like in the howto and it just doesnt work...
[04:02] <dcraven> Actually, ignore me.. This is too OT.
[04:02] <Seveas> snoop_, can you paste the output of ndiswrapper -l please?
[04:03] <snoop_> Seveas, Installed ndis drivers:
[04:03] <snoop_> bcmwl5  driver present, hardware present
[04:03] <Seveas> seems to work
[04:03] <alekandr> i was lucky when it came to wireless cards and ndiswrapper.. as i didnt need it.. i have a ralink rt2500 chipset.. 100kb download. 5secs config. and it all set up
[04:03] <Seveas> snoop_, can you paste the output if iwconfig wlan0 on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[04:04] <snoop_> Seveas, it doesnt find my network (the essis)
[04:04] <Seveas> snoop_, does your net have a hidden essid?
[04:04] <snoop_> yes
[04:04] <Seveas> ndiswrapper can't handle those...
[04:04] <Seveas> so you need to unhide it for ndiswrapper to work...
[04:05] <snoop_> Seveas, i tried that last night, some guys were trying to help, but it didnt read it for some reason
[04:05] <Seveas> snoop_, can you please make the essid visible again and run iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:06] <DunkMaster> ok, ill be back tomorrow on ubuntu
[04:06] <DunkMaster> c ya all
[04:06] <Seveas> and paste the output of that on ubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:06] <snoop_> pasted
[04:06] <Seveas> that's iwconfig :)
[04:06] <Seveas> not iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:07] <snoop_> aye doing it now..
[04:08] <Seveas> hmm
[04:08] <Seveas> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[04:08] <Seveas> forgot the sudo part :)
[04:09] <snoop_> says no scan results
[04:09] <Seveas> and you're sure that the essid is not hidden now?
[04:09] <trygvebw> recieved my ubuntu cds today :D
[04:10] <snoop_> i turned it on to ssid broadcast
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> i wont recive my ubuntu cds till late june :)
[04:10] <trygvebw> they're nice
[04:10] <trygvebw> ah :)
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: can u PLZ gimme a pic of the cd art ?
[04:10] <Seveas> snoop_, then i'm out of options too, sorry :S
[04:10] <trygvebw> sure
[04:10] <Seveas> one more thing: which card is it?
[04:11] <snoop_> Seveas, linksys wmp54g
[04:11] <Seveas> hmm, did you use the winxp or win2k driver?
[04:11] <snoop_> Seveas, yes
[04:11] <Seveas> which one? ;)
[04:11] <snoop_> Seveas, took the inf file off the cd
[04:11] <snoop_> bcmwl5.inf
[04:11] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: thnx
[04:12] <trygvebw> da_bon_bon, http://img151.echo.cx/my.php?image=000030jz.jpg
[04:12] <Seveas> yeah ok, but the winxp driver sometimes has problems , the win2k hasn't
[04:12] <trygvebw> Bad picture, but you get an idea. ;)
[04:12] <snoop_> Seveas, hmm.....where would i find the 2K drivers then..
[04:12] <Seveas> snoop_, linksys website?
[04:13] <snoop_> Seveas,  yes ;)
[04:13] <Seveas> trygvebw, cool :)
[04:13] <trygvebw> yeah
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> trygvebw: atleast made sure that they are not like warty :)
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> thnx, trygvebw
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> bye
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> bye, trygvebw
[04:16] <trygvebw> bye
[04:17] <snoop_> Seveas, how do i remove the old driver?
[04:17] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -r maybe?
[04:17] <Seveas> look in /etc/ndiswrapper and remove the files too..
[04:17] <snoop_> ok
[04:25] <berkes> evening folks. i somehow managed to remove myself fron the sudoers list.
[04:25] <trygvebw> oh
[04:25] <berkes> anyone got a trick to add myself again?
[04:26] <trygvebw> start your PC in "init=/bin/bash" mode
[04:26] <trygvebw> then add yourself to /etc/sudoers
[04:27] <crimsun> make sure you remount / rw first, and make sure you sync after saving and exiting.
[04:27] <berkes> hmm. yeqa, i feared rebooting would be nessecary.
[04:27] <snoop_> Seveas, tried that too...still nothing..
[04:27] <tommi^> Hi. I'm about to buy a webcam and I haven't found a table or somekind of top ten list of best supported devices. Could you help me out?
[04:27] <berkes> i thought of rebooting with a live CD actually. however, thanks
[04:28] <trygvebw> tommi^, see http://www.video4linux.net/
[04:28] <trygvebw> and http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php
[04:28] <tommi^> trygvebw, thanks
[04:28] <trygvebw> and http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/index.shtml
[04:28] <trygvebw> np :)
[04:28] <crimsun> berkes: sure, that would suffice
[04:30] <evilmegaman> Hi, is there any new ubuntu optimized kernels newer than the one that comes with hoary?
[04:30] <derJunior> breezy?
[04:30] <crimsun> evilmegaman: in breezy, yes
[04:30] <evilmegaman> oh
[04:30] <crimsun> (see the topic)
[04:31] <derJunior> :-)
[04:31] <evilmegaman> I don't want to use breezy crimsun ;)
[04:31] <evilmegaman> I am happy where I am
[04:31] <crimsun> I think you just answered your own question ;)
[04:32] <evilmegaman> Oh
[04:32] <evilmegaman> Anyone want to help me figure out when I build my custom kernel-image, I get error2 after a while?
[04:33] <crimsun> a compile error?
[04:33] <evilmegaman> I guess
[04:33] <evilmegaman> It happened yesterday ;)
[04:35] <Aemaeth> night all
[04:35] <snoop_> Seveas, thanks anyways
[04:35] <snoop_> later all..
[04:37] <stromax> hi there
[04:37] <stromax> i'm looking for an OS X like icon zoom bar.. any ideas?
[04:37] <stromax> i know there's one for kde...
[04:38] <sig> stromax: I got some sshots
[04:38] <sig> you might like my setup
[04:38] <Riddell> stromax: kooldock
[04:38] <stromax> sig: show me :)
[04:38] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/
[04:38] <StR> hi all...
[04:38] <Seveas> woooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:38] <StR> I have beeezy, but I'm trying to upgrade my packages...
[04:38] <StR> and I got this error:     libdbus-1-1: Conflicts: dbus-1 but 0.23.4-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[04:39] <ChaoticCoyote> How good is ubuntu with older hardware? Has anyone tried it on, say, a 400MHz Celeron laptop with 128M RAM?
[04:39] <stromax> sig: nice.. so you run kde on ubuntu?
[04:39] <sig> stromax: this isn't KDE!
[04:39] <sig> this is gnome dude
[04:39] <sig> all those sshots are gnome!!!
[04:39] <stromax> sig: err.. heh
[04:39] <Seveas> StR, DON'T use breezy yet
[04:39] <Seveas> it's broken
[04:39] <sig> bleh on KDE
[04:39] <sig> hehe
[04:39] <Seveas> dbus now, everything will be broken in a weel
[04:39] <stromax> sig: hehei just spotted a 'k' ;)
[04:40] <StR> Seveas: yes.. I see it now...
[04:40] <stromax> sig: is there a ubuntu / .deb package for kooldock?
[04:40] <sig> stromax: btw, that little screenshots gallery was created with "gThumb"
[04:40] <sig> :)
[04:40] <stromax> hehe
[04:41] <sig> stromax: not sure, do a: apt-cache search kookdock
[04:41] <sig> heh
[04:41] <sig> or kooldock I mean
[04:41] <stromax> i did.. nothing in universe
[04:41] <StR> Seveas: what can I do to fix my packages?
[04:43] <Seveas> StR, reinstall hoary...
[04:43] <Ainvar> does the network profiles not work correctly in ubuntu 5.04?
[04:44] <Ainvar> I have to keep recreating one for work when I want to use static and then I have tried to make two for home. One for wireless and then one for wired
[04:44] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: mine is running on 128Mb 850Mhz Duron laptop
[04:45] <ChaoticCoyote> IcemanV9: How'd ubuntu do at detecting hardware?
[04:45] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: it's running just fine, but little slow when u multitaking :)
[04:45] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: excellent.
[04:46] <ChaoticCoyote> IcemanV9: Good. I need to convert my wife's old laptop from a broken Mandrak install. Ubuntu looks like my best best
[04:46] <ChaoticCoyote> "best bet"
[04:46] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: usually i tried with livecd to see if it works before i waste my time. AND, it does work! so i installed it. :)
[04:47] <veleno> anyone is safely using
[04:47] <veleno> a joybook 7000 series (BenQ) laptop with ubuntu ?
[04:48] <sig> veleno: I'm using: a Sony Vaio PCG-FRV37 with ubuntu perfectly....
[04:48] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: i did not try another WMs to improve the performance on 128Mb laptop yet
[04:48] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: so i can multitasking smoothly
[04:48] <ChaoticCoyote> IcemanV9: I've got both ubuntu and kubuntu ISOs. I prfer KDE personally, but Gnome may be better from a resource standpoint
[04:49] <resiak> XFce4!
[04:49] <IcemanV9> ChaoticCoyote: play with it, then settle on one that you think it's the best
[04:50] <men1> fluxbox
[04:50] <IcemanV9> twm!!
[04:50] <Seveas> IcemanV9, ooh nice :)
[04:51] <ChaoticCoyote> Does ubuntu gove choices other than Gnome or KDE? XFCE might be the best choice
[04:51] <Seveas> ChaoticCoyote, not by default but there are people working on XFCE and ICE
[04:51] <resiak> ChaoticCoyote: If you enable Universe and Multiverse, then yes.
[04:51] <men1> fetch the other desktops then uninstall gnome
[04:51] <IcemanV9> Seveas: heh very fast response on 128Mb laptop :)
[04:52] <men1> there's always using mini x server
[04:52] <sig> IcemanV9: plan9 desktop :)
[04:52] <sig> I used that for a while on one of my FreeBSd machines
[04:52] <men1> no desktop is even better
[04:53] <Angelina-jolie> kikoo la room
[04:53] <Seveas> IcemanV9, i used twm on old sun sparc4 machines :)
[04:54] <reagleBRKLN> i'm have a problem with a mailbox lock file, is there a better channel to ask on?
[04:55] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, try here :)
[04:55] <jeroen_> reagleBRKLN, probably not
[04:55] <reagleBRKLN> i use fetchmail to grab pop msgs, is filtered by a procmailrc (including bogofilter), and placed in an mbox where kmail grabs it
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> in the past few months, everything has been complaining about a lockfile
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> on /home/reagle/Mail/q/inbox
[04:56] <veleno> sig: i'm glad of it, but i'm searching some first-person impression on that one. thanks anyway!
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> (that's the mbox where the results go and kmail grabs it from)
[04:57] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, which program in the chain is complaining and what is the exact message?
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> my only guess is that the file is on an encfs (fuse) file system, but all these processes run as me I think
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> procmail: Lock failure on "inbox.lock"
[04:57] <Dutch> Hi all.. Just looking for a headsup before installing Hoary on an old laptop. DellLatitude CP, with a CS3237 Soundchip. Not being able to autoconfigure it with the LiveCD..
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> mutt: Lock count exceeded, remove lock for inbox? ([yes] /no):
[04:58] <reagleBRKLN> and i just turned it off in kmail since it wouldn't work
[04:58] <Dutch> Any advice for the actual install.. ? It's an ISA chip, so the automatic Alsa config can't find it.
[04:58] <Seveas> what happens if you remove the lock?
[04:58] <reagleBRKLN> there is no lock
[04:58] <Seveas> hmm
[04:59] <MattFlet> seveas: i see you've got hoary cds. is this from shipit? i was wondering if they were still being sent out or not.
[04:59] <reagleBRKLN> e.g., mutt is happy to open /Mail/inbox, but complains of /Mail/q/inbox
[04:59] <jeroen_> Dutch, does it works with Knoppix (which you're using now, correct?)
[04:59] <student> hi, i'm having problems with Ubuntu and Internet, the problem is that i connect throught wvdial and it gets conected successfully, but when i try to see a web page or connect to any Internet services it does never display me the web or the internet service working
[04:59] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, and if you recreate the lock?
[04:59] <Seveas> MattFlet, they are from shipit and they're still being sent
[05:00] <MattFlet> ace!
[05:00] <Dutch> Not with Alsa, only with the Kernel OSS drivers, which gives a damn click at the start and end of every sound output.. ANd not using Knoppi, but Kanotix.
[05:00] <reagleBRKLN> touch inbox.lock; mutt -fr inbox -> Lock count exceeded, remove lock for inbox? ([yes] /no):
[05:00] <BoD_SWAT> how can I make applications 'auto-start' ? (or write a .sh file to autostart a few apps at the same time?)
[05:00] <Seveas> student, can you ping any machine?
[05:00] <reagleBRKLN> i simply don't know where/why these programs are getting hung up on a lockfile
[05:00] <student> Seveas, only the remote IP of my ISP
[05:01] <Seveas> reagleBRKLN, /me is stunned, maybe ask on a procmail or mutt mailinglist will help
[05:01] <Dutch> The kernel OSS driver is the CS4232 driver.. Have googled like hell and tried every recipee I've found for alsa and the CS4237B chip, but alas nogo..
[05:01] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm.. ok
[05:01] <jeroen_> Dutch: Ubuntu uses ESD, but to be honest, I know nothing about sound
[05:02] <crimsun> Dutch: I need the exact lspnp -v dump for that chipset
[05:02] <student> Seveas, but when i try to ping google.com or a web like that it nevers get to reply me the ping request
[05:02] <tubic> er irc.arrakis.es
[05:02] <Seveas> student, what kind of connection is it?
[05:03] <geoffroy_> yo
[05:03] <student> Seveas, dial up
[05:03] <Dutch> Crimsun, Lspnp shows nada for the chipset... proc/bus/pnp not available is the output
[05:03] <crimsun> Dutch: can you at least get me the revision of the cirrus logic chipset?
[05:04] <Dutch> 4237B accoriding to the Specs on Dell's site for the laptop's asset tag.
[05:04] <crimsun> Dutch: right, but certain revisions of that chipset are extremely problematic
[05:05] <jay> Anybody familiar with debian-installer?  I'd like to utilize the section where it adds a new user instead of having to roll my own but not sure how to access it through debconf.
[05:05] <geoffroy_> my trash disappeared
[05:05] <crimsun> jay: kamion in #u-d is the guy you want to ask
[05:05] <crimsun> jay: (#ubuntu-devel)
[05:05] <men1> right click then select add to panel
[05:06] <geoffroy_> yeah i just found
[05:06] <geoffroy_> thank you
[05:06] <jay> crimsun:  thanks!
[05:06] <jeroen_> geoffroy_: I thought you ment it was emptied :p
[05:06] <trygvebw> Hi, have anybody else experienced errors on the LiveCD bootup while debian-installer is trying to run casper-udeb? It says it can't be read.
[05:07] <geoffroy_> ahah
[05:07] <Dutch> Crimsun, Hmm.. Should it be listed in any logs ? Again lspnp/lspci list nothing..
[05:07] <Ainvar> how can I make beep media player my default mp3 player instead of totem?
[05:08] <Seveas> Ainvar, system->preferences->preferred applications
[05:08] <elcu> Ainvar: right-click on the media file and select properties.
[05:08] <student> Seveas, what do you think is the problem?
[05:08] <elcu> then select the open with tab
[05:08] <Seveas> student, honestly no idea
[05:08] <student> Seveas, ok man, thanx
[05:09] <Ainvar> thanks elcu
[05:09] <Ainvar> did not think of that
[05:09] <trygvebw> ?
[05:09] <elcu> np
[05:09] <crimsun> Dutch: that info is displayed when the driver is loaded (either the oss/free or the alsa one)
[05:10] <micampe> hello world
[05:10] <micampe> so how do I de-uglify Qt applications?
[05:10] <micampe> without installing all of kde just to have a decent style
[05:11] <Dutch> Crimsun, the problem is that the Alsa cs4236 driver won't load at all... Even with the correct parameters. The OSS driver, which is the CS4232 driver, loads but doesn't give any particular output in the dmesg...
[05:11] <sproingie> good question, what is the default theme for qt these days?
[05:12] <Seveas> plastix/lipstick
[05:12] <sproingie> i thought that was for kde
[05:12] <Seveas> hmm yeah
[05:12] <sproingie> i recall qt has a default look ... something like a cross between win9x and motif
[05:13] <sproingie> plastik isn't pad.  lipstik looks just like XP, with its bad gradients and all
[05:13] <sproingie> s/pad/bad/
[05:13] <sproingie> at least it's not keramik.  ugh
[05:14] <micampe> sproingie, the default is an orrible motif lookalike with huge fonts
[05:14] <micampe> just sane fonts would be enough for me...
[05:14] <sproingie> oy.  i vaguely remember that.  can't you install a qt theme from apt without kde?
[05:15] <sproingie> dont think the theme will affect the font size tho
[05:15] <rapha> Hi all!
[05:15] <Dutch> Crimsum, when trying to load the Alsa driver : CS4236+ not found or device busy  FATAL : Error inserting snd_cs4236 : No such device.
[05:15] <micampe> there doesn't seem to be such a thing as a "qt theme", just kde styles
[05:15] <sproingie> i think there's a qt theme engine that will use gnome themes
[05:15] <rapha> Is there a voice removal / karaoke plugin for XMMS or BEEP or any other media player?
[05:15] <sproingie> i know there's a vice versa
[05:15] <trygvebw> Have anybody experienced errors on the LiveCD bootup while debian-installer is trying to run casper-udeb? It says it can't be read.
[05:16] <crimsun> Dutch: what parameters are you passing to modprobe?
[05:16] <crimsun> trygvebw: check the console (alt+F[23] ) for errors
[05:16] <elcu> rapha: IIRC, there's one for XMMS.  it isn't that great though.
[05:16] <wdh> rapha, http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[05:16] <wdh> :)
[05:16] <trygvebw> crimsun, ok thanks :)
[05:16] <wdh> rapha, found one on the first hit
[05:17] <sproingie> micampe: no, qt has themes.  i have a "theme=plastik" line in my qtrc
[05:18] <wdh> rapha, just kidding, no offence :)
[05:18] <sproingie> micampe: lemme msg you the general part of my qtrc (it's about 6 lines)
[05:18] <rapha> wdh: Thank you.
[05:18] <rapha> elcu: If only I could find the URL...
[05:18] <wdh> rapha, http://defx.sourceforge.net/faq.html  << this was the first hit..
[05:19] <micampe> sproingie, go
[05:19] <Anglophobe> I am having troubles with my external hard drive. (through usb)
[05:19] <Dutch> crimsum : modprobe snd_cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x210 mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 irq=5
[05:19] <elcu> rapha: XMMS has one installed by default.  but yeah, wdh is doing the work for you :-)
[05:19] <crimsun> Dutch: is the pnp os option disabled in bios?
[05:20] <Anglophobe> IT appears mounted when I boot up, and I can see the inital directories in it, but if I try to go into any of the sub directories, it stops responding. (even with a ctrl-c)
[05:20] <Dutch> Crimsum, no PNP OS option in the Dell Latitude CP A16 bios. ACPI is enabled.. have tried with and without ACPI.
[05:21] <crimsun> Dutch: then you need to pass isapnp=0 to modprobe
[05:21] <rapha> wdh: When you know what to look for it's easier... I've actually been googling for half an hour now
[05:22] <wdh> rapha, just for the things you told me :) "voice removal" and "XMMS"
[05:22] <Anglophobe> any ideas?
[05:22] <wdh> rapha, but i do recognise the problem.. one can be googling for hours with all the wrong keywords :)
[05:22] <Dutch> Crimsum, Tried that as well, both in my alsa conf files, as well as by the command line : modprobe snd_cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x210 mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 mpu_irq=9 dma1=1 dma2=-1 isapnp=0
[05:23] <Anglophobe> /dev/sda5 on /media/sda5 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077)
[05:23] <Anglophobe> it's mounted as:
[05:23] <crimsun> Dutch: dma2=-1?
[05:24] <Dutch> crimsum: Yep, disabled.. Also tried with it enabled set to 5 as found on the Linux Cookbook site.. No go..
[05:25] <rapha> wdh: elcu: Got it now! Thanks! ... Will have to see if my cousin finds it good enough for the song she wants to sing....
[05:25] <wdh> rapha, glad to be of service
[05:26] <Dutch> crimsum. Its the only thing bugging me with this laptop.. Everything else including wifi and X I can get working. Just the sound under ALSA.. But OK, ubunty has the old OSS drivers included as well, so if I have to I must use those I guess.. Only problem is later on, when OSS becomes depreciated..
[05:26] <elcu> rapha: what's it called? just out of interest.
[05:28] <crimsun> Dutch: are those values specific to your hardware?
[05:28] <crimsun> Dutch: there's a general range, but you have to use the values specifically for yours
[05:29] <Anglophobe> anyone
[05:29] <Anglophobe> ?
[05:29] <crimsun> Anglophobe: what does dmesg tell you after it locks up?
[05:30] <Dutch> crimsum: They should be.. Same values as listed on every recipe for the CP I've found,, as well as the same values used under Win. Also the values works for the cs4232 OSS driver...
[05:30] <_ac_chan_> hi... is there going to be ubuntu hoary version of firefox 1.0.4?
[05:30] <trygvebw> no
[05:31] <Seveas> _ac_chan_, sort of
[05:31] <trygvebw> The Hoary version of Firefox (1.0.2) is patched so it contains all the Firefox security fixes.
[05:31] <Seveas> the fixes will be available
[05:31] <_ac_chan_> oh okay.. just was wondering cool..just worried about the security fixes
[05:31] <trygvebw> ok :)
[05:31] <crimsun> the security fixes have been applied already.
[05:31] <men1> when is firefox 1.0.4 coming out?
[05:31] <trygvebw> it has come out
[05:31] <deFrysk> today
[05:32] <men1> no, i mean for Ubuntu
[05:32] <trygvebw> it won't
[05:32] <trygvebw> Read my explanation.
[05:32] <men1> i have the windows version already
 The Hoary version of Firefox (1.0.2) is patched so it contains all the Firefox security fixes.
[05:32] <crimsun> please load the oss driver and tell me the revision information of your sound chipset from dmesg
[05:32] <trygvebw> So Hoary won't get a "REAL" 1.0.4 version, only a patched 1.0.2 one
[05:32] <crimsun> ^ Dutch
[05:32] <elcu> men1: you can always install it seperately.
[05:32] <mainer> yes from mozilla as an installer file .bi,probly;hoary is frozen except security/bug-fixes
[05:33] <Anglophobe> crimsun: I'm not sure it is showing anything.
[05:33] <crimsun> Dutch: I have to leave, but I'll be back in an hour
[05:33] <men1> looks like something to look at backports
[05:33] <Seveas> men1, backports are icky
[05:33] <Seveas> bettor not use them
[05:33] <Seveas> better*
[05:33] <trygvebw> men1, why? The version in Hoary _has_ all the fixes!
[05:33] <men1> the not free issue?
[05:33] <mainer> if you want current,use the mozilla-i686-installer.bin file,or stay with ubuntu version
[05:33] <Anglophobe> I'm not sure if it's locked or what. I can look in the mount directory but when I try to go into a subdirectory, it just doesn't do anything.
[05:33] <Seveas> men1, warty&hoary ubuntu are not called 1.0.4 but contain all the fixes...
[05:34] <trygvebw> And in addition, backports/breezy has 1.0.2 patched too, not 1.0.4.
[05:34] <men1> i got 1.0.3 on Ubuntu though
[05:34] <trygvebw> ahok
[05:34] <Jormundgand> If they have the fixes they should just label it 1.0.3 and use the official logo.
[05:34] <trygvebw> Because why?
[05:34] <deFrysk> whats in a number :s
[05:34] <trygvebw> They aren't allowed to.
[05:34] <Seveas> Jormundgand, no they should not
[05:34] <Jormundgand> The logo which comes with Hoary is ugly as hell, and they didn't even try for the Thunderbird logo.
[05:35] <elcu> trygvebw: some people like saying they have the latest version rather than the ubuntu one.
[05:35] <trygvebw> Jormundgand, that's because they simple AREN'T allowed to include the official logo!
[05:35] <trygvebw> elcu, ah :P
[05:35] <Jormundgand> They can use the official logo if they use the official browser version.
[05:35] <Anglophobe> crimsun: If I try to umount it it gives me device is busy
[05:35] <trygvebw> Yes, but then they can't package it in a DEB...
[05:35] <Seveas> elcu, that's probably the gentoo people :)
[05:35] <men1> just get the icon and dump it in the pixmaps folder
[05:35] <trygvebw> And they HAVE to package it in a DEB.
[05:35] <elcu> trygvebw: i don't know why either if the ubuntu one is patched already.
[05:35] <Jormundgand> Packaging it into a deb doesn't change the program itself at all.
[05:36] <trygvebw> Jormundgand, yes, it does. It is recompiled.
[05:36] <men1> could try the debian version
[05:36] <Seveas> Jormundgand, licensing can prohibit things...
[05:36] <elcu> trygvebw: yeah, probably :-)
[05:36] <trygvebw> When you recompile you aren't allowed to use the official logo
[05:36] <Anglophobe> crimsun: there are files in the root of the dir, and I can open them, it's beyond those ones.
[05:36] <men1> i used the debian version once for 1.0.2
[05:36] <hawke_> trygvebw: not true.  When you apply patches you aren't allowed to use the official logo.
[05:36] <Jormundgand> Except you're compiling THEIR code. There can't be any problems, or else they'd need to fix their code.
[05:37] <trygvebw> hawke, yeah
[05:37] <Seveas> Jormundgand, see hawke_'s comment...
[05:37] <trygvebw> Jormundgand, look at hawke_s comment
[05:37] <Seveas> licensing is tricky business...
[05:37] <Dutch> crimsum: output of dmesg|tail after loading uart401, ad1848 cs4236 and opl3 :
[05:37] <Dutch> ad1848/cs4248 codec driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996
[05:37] <Dutch> ad1848: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones...
[05:37] <Dutch> pnp: Device 00:10 activated.
[05:37] <Dutch> YM3812 and OPL-3 driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen, Rob Hooft 1993-1996
[05:38] <Dutch> knoppix@knoppix:~$
[05:38] <Seveas> Dutch, DO NOT paste here!
[05:38] <trygvebw> But i'm more wondering why the creator of the Firefox official artwork didn't release it under a free license...
[05:38] <men1> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[05:38] <trygvebw> pastebin.com
[05:38] <Dutch> Seveas.. to late, sorry ;)
[05:38] <hawke_> trygvebw: So that it can be a trademark, or some such.
[05:38] <Seveas> ubuntu.pastebin.com next time please Dutch :)
[05:38] <Jormundgand> To business: How do I get Eterm to scroll to the bottom when new output appears? I've set --home-on-output but it's not doing anything.
[05:38] <trygvebw> hawke, can't it be if it's under a free license?
[05:39] <men1> then if it's so, tux and the ubnutu logo is also subject then?
[05:39] <Seveas> men1, no, other license
[05:39] <Dutch> crimsun, no version info output from the cs4232 driver.. But loaded..
[05:39] <lotusleaf> woo, only 15 hours left in my ubuntu download
[05:39] <Seveas> but this discussion is too off-topic here, let's please stop...
[05:39] <elcu> hawke_: : why have i seen howtos on how to change it to the official logo?  wouldn't that be a nono?
[05:39] <fep> i need help to configure my mouse, i have a genius with net-scroll, that's is connected on the serial port, not on ps2, somone nows how i solve this?
[05:39] <Seveas> lotusleaf, what are you downloading?
[05:40] <men1> Seveas: the debian versions of firefox seems to work
[05:40] <hawke_> Hrm, not sure exactly how that works.  I believe that if they allow anyone to do whatever with the official (trademarked) logo, they could lose their trademark.
[05:40] <Seveas> fep, search the forums, it's been discussed there.
[05:40] <trygvebw> hawke, ok
[05:40] <fep> thanks :)
[05:40] <hawke_> elcu: Sort of.  It may be ok if the changes aren't distributed but simply made by each individual user.
[05:41] <IcemanV9> Dutch: [10:33]  crimsun Dutch: I have to leave, but I'll be back in an hour
[05:41] <Dutch> crimsum, you want the link for the recipe I've tried to use ?
[05:41] <rapha> elcu: It's called DeFX
[05:42] <elcu> rapha: ah, thanks
[05:43] <elcu> hawke_: how sneaky!
[05:43] <elcu> :-)
[05:43] <Anglophobe> anyone else know about my external hd problems?
[05:43] <elcu> Anglophobe: while you're waiting, you could search ubuntuforums.org if you haven't yet.
[05:45] <rapha> np
[05:45] <NeoCool> rapha!
[05:48] <Rubin> hrm. i was led to believe partimage was on the livecd. it doesnt seem to be. is there a way to install apps in the live cd??
[05:49] <nanomad> dont think, cause it runs on a ram-disk
[05:49] <bluefoxicy> g14:  ping
[05:49] <Anglophobe> rebooting
[05:50] <jeroen_> What should be my glxgears score when using fglrx drivers? (Radeon 9200)
[05:51] <elcu> jeroen_: what sort of results have you gotten?
[05:52] <jeroen_> elcu: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283224
[05:52] <jeroen_> elcu: but I'm doing a lot of things at the same time. Could that influence results?
[05:53] <nanomad> jeroen_, sure!
[05:53] <jeroen_> nanomad: should I try again after closing lots of apps?
[05:53] <nanomad> yes...its better...
[05:53] <ftwig> hi - anyone know how to get coperplate font for horay?
[05:54] <jeroen_> brb!
[05:54] <nanomad> jeroen_, with a 9550 i got 2000 fps...
[05:56] <usynic> anyone notice that the latest firefox update crashes a lot?
[05:57] <men1> usynic: version?
[05:57] <usynic> 1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[05:58] <men1> there's fetching the debian versions
[05:58] <usynic> hrmm?
[05:58] <men1> or backports to try out
[05:58] <men1> go to a debian testing mirror and fetch firefox 1.0.3
[05:59] <men1> it works for me, i mean the backports one
[05:59] <Ac1dcrawl> I've just installed ubuntu and i'm trying to get the 2.6 kernel sources with apt-get, when I do apt-cache search kernel-source, all that comes up is 2.4 stuff.
[05:59] <Ac1dcrawl> Any ideas of what i'm doing wrong?
[06:00] <men1> *wonders why his windows firefox is way newer than is ubuntu's
[06:00] <Ac1dcrawl> I was wondering that same thing myself.
[06:00] <men1> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:00] <men1> sorry sry seveas
[06:01] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: maybe update your sources?
[06:01] <deFrysk> silly backports
[06:01] <jeroen_> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283228
[06:01] <deFrysk> totally unneeded
[06:01] <Ac1dcrawl> Sure, I had thought about that, but I have no idea what sources to use.
[06:01] <Ac1dcrawl> is there a list of sources for ubuntu?
[06:01] <men1> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:01] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: ubuntuforums.org
[06:01] <jeroen_> and: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283225
[06:01] <elcu> whoops
[06:01] <elcu> ubuntuguide.org
[06:02] <nanomad> better...
[06:02] <FreeEagle> hi all
[06:02] <FreeEagle> :)
[06:02] <nanomad> (to jeroen_ )
[06:02] <Ac1dcrawl> I'll check that out, thanks.
[06:02] <jeroen_> nanomad: but can you tell from this whether acceleration is working?
[06:02] <men1> if ubuntu's gaim could be updated more frequently, then backports would lose it's purpose
[06:02] <nanomad> no...
[06:03] <nanomad> just look at fglrx_info
[06:03] <jeroen_> nanomad: but that's what the program is supposed to do ;)
[06:03] <jeroen_> nanomad: oh, okay
[06:03] <elcu> men1: didn't someone answer you before? apparently hoary's firefox already has all the fixes.  if you aren't satisifed with that, download the bin installer.
[06:04] <men1> elcu: i meant by gaim
[06:04] <men1> not FF
[06:05] <TwoBitSprite> so... in a fresh install of ubuntu... I run firefox and use it's plugin finder to install flash, but can't get the sound to work...
[06:05] <elcu> jeroen_: you can use glxinfo and see if direct rendering is enabled.
[06:05] <FreeEagle> I have a question here?
[06:05] <FreeEagle> I have a question here !!!!
[06:05] <TwoBitSprite> FreeEagle, just ask your question...
[06:05] <dr_willis> 0_o
[06:06] <nanomad> FreeEagle, ??? just talk...
[06:06] <jeroen_> elcu: direct rendering is enabled
[06:06] <FreeEagle> Okay... I used to use Gaim, now there is a new Version of it, is there anyway to isnatll this Automatically without makeing Compile to the Original file
[06:07] <FreeEagle> because i am still Newbie
[06:07] <jeroen_> FreeEagle, use a .deb file
[06:07] <elcu> jeroen_: then it's working :-)
[06:07] <jeroen_> these are easy to install, FreeEagle
[06:07] <FreeEagle> from where should i download this
[06:07] <men1> FreeEagle: the debian gaim is messy to install
[06:07] <jeroen_> elcu: alright, then I'll try to play gl-117 :-)
[06:07] <Fator_Dee> there's a newer gaim on backports
[06:07] <FreeEagle> hummm.... So what should i do now ??
[06:07] <jeroen_> bye all!
[06:07] <men1> i tried it, and it brought quite alot of issues
[06:08] <Seveas> using backports is not recommended
[06:08] <men1> source compile
[06:08] <deFrysk> and not supported
[06:08] <Seveas> FreeEagle, if you are so desperate to have a new version, compile it from the source
[06:08] <Seveas> otherwise, wait for breezy to get stabler
[06:08] <Fator_Dee> Seveas: what kind of issues there could be?
[06:08] <TwoBitSprite> so yeah... does anyone know how to get Flash to use the ESD or should I just kill the ESD and try to let Flash use the sound port?
[06:09] <dr_willis> of course getting all the dev packages where you can install it from source - could be a annoyance.
[06:09] <Seveas> Fator_Dee, backports have broken many dpkg dependencies before
[06:09] <Fator_Dee> oh
[06:09] <FreeEagle> Seveas, is the compile way that easy to do
[06:09] <FreeEagle> ??
[06:09] <Seveas> FreeEagle, if you apt-get build-dep gaim, compiling shouldn't be too hard
[06:10] <FreeEagle> okay
[06:10] <Seveas> apt-get build-dep gaim will install all things needed to compile gaim
[06:10] <Seveas> and make sure you pass --prefix=/opt/gaim-new as a parameter to configure
[06:10] <FreeEagle> Seveas, so i will download the Source File and then do what you said here
[06:11] <FreeEagle> Thanks alot for help!!!!
[06:12] <g14> bluefoxicy, pong.
[06:12] <FreeEagle> bye all
[06:12] <FreeEagle> :)
[06:14] <men1> Fator_Dee: it's only 1.2.1
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> you mean the gaim?
[06:14] <men1> yup
[06:14] <Fator_Dee> well, I said newer, not the newest :-p
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> anyways
[06:15] <men1> well my windows rig has a way newer version
[06:15] <men1> than my Ubuntu one
[06:15] <Fator_Dee> well, I don't care ;-)
[06:15] <Seveas> if it aint broken, don't fix it :)
[06:15] <men1> Datallah's great for the wingaim issue
[06:16] <men1> actually i have issues with yahoo before
[06:16] <MuStR> anyone know how to use a wireless network with linux?
[06:17] <Seveas> sure
[06:17] <MuStR> shoot
[06:17] <Seveas> these words come to you via a wireless net :)
[06:17] <MuStR> :D
[06:17] <MuStR> I'm going home tomorrow and I'm going to be on a wireless network, so I want there to be a seamless transition of inet...
[06:19] <MuStR> how how how??
[06:19] <Seveas> depends on the chipset and the encryption :)
[06:20] <MuStR> hm
[06:20] <MuStR> it's a linksys
[06:20] <Seveas> ouch
[06:20] <MuStR> oh boy
[06:20] <Seveas> you'll have to go the hard ndiswrapper way i guess
[06:21] <MuStR> that doesn't sound like fun
[06:21] <dravine> anyone have any ideas on recovering a corrupt superblock on an ext3 partition?
[06:21] <MuStR> Seveas, is there a site I can go to that would help?
[06:22] <Seveas> MuStR, look for the ndiswrapperhowto on wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:22] <MuStR> okay
[06:23] <ulisse> hello channel!
[06:23] <dead^> hello ulisse!
[06:25] <Badness45> i have a broadcom network adapter and when i installed warty it's not reconized
[06:26] <ulisse> one my friend is having a strange issue with Neverball and an Nvidia card, after a few seconds he gets a blank screen...
[06:27] <ulisse> he is using the closed nvidia drivers
[06:28] <karljp> can anyone confirm or deny being able to use fat32 drives > 32gig that were formatted in linux under windows?
[06:28] <nanot3ch> Hey, I installed Apache2 / MySQL / PHP and I can't get phpinfo to work now...I get this error when I attempt to load it: "Warning:  Unknown(/var/www/index.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
[06:28] <nanot3ch> Warning:  (null)(): Failed opening '/var/www/index.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0"
[06:28] <Ac1dcrawl> I've followed all the instructions on ubuntuguide.org for apt-get, and I still can't get any of the 2.6 kernel sources to get.
[06:29] <karljp> MS knowledge base says that it can read and write them if another OS created them, but can't make them itself
[06:29] <Ac1dcrawl> There is an error saying they are unavailable or deprecated.
[06:29] <Ac1dcrawl> any ideas?
[06:30] <_4strO> yop yop
[06:31] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: did you follow the #extrarepositories topic?
[06:31] <Ac1dcrawl> yup
[06:32] <Ac1dcrawl> Just for kicks I did an apt-get update kernel-sources-2.6* and it brought up several items, but when I try to install them it says they are unavailable of deprecated.
[06:32] <dr_willis> karljp,  yep - MS wont let you make them.
[06:32] <Ac1dcrawl> actually I did an apt-get install.
[06:32] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: and you did an apt-get update
[06:32] <karljp> cool, just reading some extra ms docos
[06:32] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: apt-get update
[06:32] <karljp> I want to make sure my external drive can be used r/w with both xp and ubuntu
[06:33] <Ac1dcrawl> oh yeah, I did an apt-get update.
[06:33] <dr_willis> karljp,  yea - i need to do a similer thing.
[06:34] <karljp> ntfs seemed like such a good idea the time :)
[06:34] <Badness45> has anyone install a broadcom wireless adapter in ubuntu
[06:34] <karljp> I'm using one right now
[06:34] <karljp> specifically a dell truemobile 1350
[06:35] <karljp> bcm4306
[06:35] <berkes> hello folks. I kinda borked my permissions and groups yesterday. I fixed most of it, but need to know ome details about the sound system used in kubunutu.
[06:35] <berkes> I assume arts is used?
[06:35] <abbot45> ive got a question about the Pan newsreader, if anyone here uses it.
[06:36] <Darksun> Is there a guide to installing drivers for my radeon 9700 on ubuntu?
[06:36] <berkes> and what would the default engine be? alsa? oss?
[06:36] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: the package is called linux-source, not kernel-source
[06:36] <elcu> Darksun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <berkes> Darksun: i got it working out of the box.
[06:36] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl: you should get the package that matches uname -a
[06:37] <Ac1dcrawl> well, that could be my problem then, duh.  I've used linux for quite some time, it's the detail that kill you.
[06:37] <karljp> arts and alsa I believe
[06:37] <elcu> :-)
[06:38] <elcu> Ac1dcrawl:  i found it by doing "apt-cache search kernel"
[06:38] <Zen> hey all... you know when you make a link to a folder you get that big ugly blue emblem to show its a link.. how do you get rid of that?
[06:38] <Badness45> karl: how did u do the install
[06:38] <Badness45> for the broadcom
[06:38] <elcu> berkes: i'd assume he wants 3d accleration
[06:39] <berkes> karljp: thanks; and have you got any clue as to how the permissions for that are set up?
[06:39] <karljp> just followed the ndiswrapper howto
[06:39] <berkes> I know there is a group called audio: do i need to be member of that to listen to sound?
[06:39] <Badness45> so did i but it say invalid driver
[06:40] <Badness45> where did u get the driver form
[06:40] <Ac1dcrawl> Alright, got it, thanks for pointing out the obvious for me. :)
[06:40] <karljp> then you used the wrong driver?
[06:40] <Badness45> from
[06:40] <karljp> from dell
[06:40] <tritium> berkes, yes
[06:40] <karljp> did you get ndiswrapper 1.1?
[06:40] <Badness45> i tried the one from the system cd still don't work
[06:40] <Badness45> yeah
[06:40] <Badness45> ndiswrapper 1.1
[06:40] <karljp> and what actual card is it?
[06:40] <karljp> get the newest windows xp driver from their site
[06:41] <Badness45> the site only has the exe
[06:41] <karljp> I believe the howto says what do with that
[06:41] <karljp> doesn't it say "unzip the exe"
[06:43] <Badness45> hold let me see
[06:43] <geoffroy__> hey just a question
[06:43] <geoffroy__> I've got rar
[06:43] <geoffroy__> and i can't unrar archives
[06:44] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: u need non-free unrar
[06:44] <geoffroy__> oh ?
[06:44] <bur[n] er> in universe/multiverse
[06:44] <bur[n] er> free unrar doesn't do rar version 3
[06:44] <berkes> tritium: thanks. but it did not doe the trick "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)"
[06:44] <geoffroy__> ok
[06:44] <geoffroy__> thank bur[n] er
[06:45] <bur[n] er> berkes: add yourself to the "audio" group?
[06:45] <berkes> burner i am in there.
[06:45] <bur[n] er> oh... nevermind ;)
[06:45] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:45] <bur[n] er> i didn't read the backlog
[06:45] <bur[n] er> sudo chmod 777 /dev/dsp should do the trick ;)
[06:46] <berkes> bur[n] er: hmmmm
[06:46] <tritium> berkes, you should log out and log back in after making changes to /etc/group
[06:46] <berkes> tritium: o? ill try a new session.
[06:46] <Badness45> karl: when i use the ndiswrapper install it say to use the .inf is that the only file i need
[06:46] <tritium> berkes, please do
[06:47] <bur[n] er> Badness45: usually a .sys file too
[06:47] <karljp> no, it will find the rest based on the inf file
[06:47] <Badness45> ok
[06:47] <Badness45> i never included that too
[06:47] <Badness45> maybe that's why
[06:47] <karljp> hehe
[06:48] <karljp> just unzip the entire exe and then do the ndiswrapper -i bit
[06:48] <bur[n] er> an inf is just a text file... not the actual driver ;)
[06:48] <karljp> stop trying to take shortcuts :)
[06:48] <karljp> I tried to take shortcuts the first three times
[06:48] <karljp> then decided to just follow the instructions and it worked straight away
[06:48] <bur[n] er> or buy supported hardware ;)
[06:49] <karljp> or make linux support more hardware :)
[06:50] <karljp> now, I just created a new partition on this virginal drive in it's usb enclsore,
[06:50] <geoffroy__> can't i unrar with hierarchy N
[06:50] <geoffroy__> i didn't find in man
[06:50] <karljp> and where did it get mounted. /media/idedisk or /media/usbdisk?
[06:50] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: unrar x blah.rar ?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> or just use file-roller
[06:51] <geoffroy__> file-roller ?
[06:51] <bur[n] er> file-roller is a gui compression app
[06:51] <bur[n] er> er... u use kde?
[06:52] <geoffroy__> no
[06:52] <bur[n] er> use ark if you're a kde guy
[06:52] <geoffroy__> gnome
[06:52] <Seveas> file-roller needs rar itself installed for unratting to work
[06:52] <Badness45> when i unzip i see like 10 files
[06:52] <bur[n] er> ok, file-roller it is then :)
[06:52] <geoffroy__> it seems it's installed
[06:52] <karljp> badness: yeah, just leave them
[06:52] <geoffroy__> i haven't seen it
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: you're kidding?
[06:52] <karljp> what's the motivation for trying to pick out just the relevant one?
[06:52] <Badness45> so how do i use them
[06:52] <geoffroy__> =] 
[06:52] <geoffroy__> yeah
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: alt+f2, type "file-roller"
[06:52] <geoffroy__> it doesn't work on the rar archive
[06:52] <karljp> ndiswrapper -i the .inf
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: or double click a .rar or .zip
[06:52] <karljp> how many .infs are there?
[06:52] <geoffroy__> this is the problem
[06:52] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: it does if you get the right rar :P
[06:52] <bur[n] er> the non-free one
[06:53] <Badness45> i included the bcmwl5.sys and bcmwl5.inf
[06:53] <bur[n] er> !RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <karljp> "included" means what?
[06:53] <Badness45> let me see
[06:53] <karljp> what are you doing?
[06:53] <geoffroy__> it's ok
[06:53] <geoffroy__> unrar worked
[06:53] <karljp> just get the .exe,
[06:53] <karljp> unzip it
[06:53] <geoffroy__> but file-roller..!
[06:53] <karljp> and ndiswrapper the .inf
[06:53] <karljp> and presto!
[06:54] <Badness45> 4
[06:54] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: check the wiki... i swear it's there somewhere ;)
[06:54] <bur[n] er> i forgot how to do it off the top of my head
[06:55] <Badness45> setup.inf bcmwl5a.inf and bcmwl5.inf bcmhom.inf
[06:55] <geoffroy__> ok
[06:55] <karljp> try the a one I think.
[06:55] <bur[n] er> geoffroy__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  <--search for "unrar"
[06:55] <karljp> it's either of the bcmwl* ones.
[06:55] <karljp> one will work, one won't
[06:56] <karljp> I thought all this was on the howto page?
[06:56] <Badness45> but all says invalid driver
[06:56] <Badness45> i installed all except hom
[06:56] <karljp> well you'v elost me then.
[06:56] <Badness45> ok
[06:56] <agent> using "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" gives permission error right at the end of compile (when compile is "finished" when binaries are "moved"): ex. install: cannot create regular file `/usr/bin/qemu-img': Permission denied. HELP!!
[06:57] <Badness45> when i install the driver and it don't work i have to uninstall it
[06:57] <Badness45> or remove it
[06:57] <elcu> agent: use sudo
[06:57] <Seveas> agent, that means the package is quite flaky, which package is it?
[06:57] <Seveas> agent, do NOT use sudo!
[06:58] <Seveas> for building packages, NEVER be root
[06:58] <agent> Seveas, i figured one should not use sudo because thats root :)
[06:58] <agent> Seveas, hence i tried using fakeroot :)
[06:58] <elcu> sorry, still a noob :-)
[06:58] <Seveas> agent, which package is it
[06:58] <agent> me too!
[06:58] <agent> Seveas, im building qemu cvs
[06:58] <Seveas> elcu, then please don't give advise about things you don'y understand...
[06:59] <Badness45> hello
[06:59] <jmjones> i'm running hoary.  my machine froze, so i had to quasi-hard reboot (just hit the power button once and it shut down for me, walking down its kill sequence and shuts down).  when it came back up, gnome won't start.  i tried re-installing the ubuntu-desktop package, but that didn't work.  i tried moving my .gnome and .gnome2 directories.   that didn't work.  i'm in a terminal on that machine now and gnome-session is just hanging....any i
[06:59] <Seveas> agent, did you download a deb from the quemu site oslt?
[06:59] <elcu> Seveas: noted :-)
[06:59] <karljp> anyone know how to add a volume label with gparted?
[06:59] <agent> Seveas, it builds fine by itself (note: did not try "make install")...
[06:59] <agent> Seveas, no no no... im making my own deb (first one!)
[06:59] <Seveas> ah ok :)
[07:00] <geoffroy__> Seveas, ?
[07:00] <geoffroy__> are u using something for radio signal ?
[07:00] <geoffroy__> or just the script u gave me ?
[07:00] <Seveas> did you go the checkinstall way?
[07:00] <geoffroy__> only.
[07:00] <agent> Seveas, did the whole dh_make routine correctly (i think)... edited debian/ and all
[07:00] <Seveas> geoffroy_, i only use that script
[07:00] <geoffroy__> hmm ok
[07:01] <agent> Seveas, checkinstall? are you asking me?
[07:01] <Seveas> agent, did you edit the makefile so that it takes a debian $(PREFIX)
[07:01] <agent> Seveas, no :(
[07:01] <Seveas> agent, checkinstall is an automated way of creating a package
[07:01] <Badness45> karl: where did u get the install from
[07:01] <Seveas> it means, run ./configure and make yourself
[07:01] <Seveas> and instead of sudo make install, you run sudo checkinstall
[07:01] <karljp> I got mine from the dell site.
[07:02] <Seveas> (try without the sudo first)
[07:02] <karljp> checkinstall is kickass
[07:02] <agent> Seveas, oooh.... does checkinstall make debs or just... err... check the install? ;)
[07:02] <Seveas> it makes debs
[07:02] <karljp> checkinstall watches what happens during a make install
[07:02] <karljp> and makes a deb and installs it
[07:02] <dave_> anyone had any sucess using webmin. I'm having trouble getting it installed.
[07:02] <karljp> so you can give it to your friends or dpkg -P it later.
[07:02] <Seveas> dave_ what's the problem>
[07:03] <Badness45> i hate hp
[07:03] <binbrain> anybody know of an app that can monitor hardware changes in a network?
[07:03] <agent> Seveas, so one does not need ot use nh_make and dpkg-buldpackage? only do the whole ./configure, make, then checkinstall routine? thats all? no debian config files to edit?
[07:03] <Seveas> agent, well, the dh_make is the cleanest way of doing things :)
[07:03] <dave_> Seveas: I've done an apt-get install of webmin, then made a symbolic link into my /var/www directory. But when I try to access the page it won't handle the perl script
[07:03] <agent> Seveas, i see :)
[07:04] <dave_> Seveas: Firefox wants to download the script
[07:04] <agent> karljp, thanks for the info...
[07:04] <Seveas> dave_, are you running apache too?
[07:04] <Seveas> webmin is not apache...
[07:04] <dave_> Seveas: I've got apache running as well as mysql, php4 and perl installed
[07:05] <alekandr> anyone know of any php editors in the ubuntu apt list? or php-ide's ?
[07:05] <Seveas> dave_, please read the webmin docs to see how to access it :)
[07:05] <Seveas> alekandr, vim ;)
[07:05] <Seveas> with php syntax highlighting
[07:05] <dr_willis> webmin - https://localhost:10000
[07:05] <agent> Seveas, if i use checkinstall, do i need to configure anything like makefile? (sorry to keep bothering you, i swear i will read the man file :)
[07:06] <karljp> ./configure anyoptions you want
[07:06] <karljp> make
[07:06] <karljp> sudo checkinstall
[07:06] <dr_willis> however - if you did not have root with an actual password - it used to be that webmin installed with no root acount. and you had to add one.
[07:06] <alekandr> Seveas: i was thinking more along the lines of an editor with debug options as well as an output view!
[07:06] <Seveas> alekandr, for php there are none, neither are there for windows..
[07:06] <dave_> Seveas: I'm thinking my server is not handling the perl script properly
[07:06] <karljp> then you broke it good an proper.
[07:06] <alekandr> Seveas: incorrect
[07:07] <Seveas> dave_, your webserver should not handle it
[07:07] <agent> karljp, ok... so i should use sudo with checkinstall, not fakeroot or something of that sort, right?
[07:07] <Seveas> webmin is its own webserver
[07:07] <Seveas> alekandr, ok sorry :)
[07:07] <karljp> checkinstall will use fakeroot
[07:07] <mirak> hi
[07:07] <dave_> Seveas: doesn't apache parse the script and produce html output
[07:07] <alekandr> Seveas: there are 3, php-ide, php-dev-ide php-designer-2005
[07:07] <karljp> checkinstall needs to be sudo'd depending on what configure options you needed
[07:07] <agent> karljp, i see... thanks a lot!
[07:07] <karljp> if you would need to sudo make install, then you would need to sudo checkinstall
[07:07] <Badness45> i am confused
[07:08] <karljp> if you configured to install into your home dir
[07:08] <karljp> then you don't need to sudo checkinstall (i believe)
[07:08] <mirak> hi
[07:08] <agent> karljp, gotcha!
[07:08] <karljp> (I've never actually tried that way though)
[07:08] <agent> karljp, makes sense.... and to make sure, checkinstall only makes the binary right? it does not isntall the actual "package" ala make install
[07:08] <karljp> no, it does the make install part as well.
[07:09] <karljp> it basically completely replaces "make install"
[07:09] <karljp> only you get a deb at the end of it that you can resuse
[07:09] <karljp> and it's listed for you to uninstall with your favourite package manager
[07:10] <agent> karljp, i see... so does it then "install" the deb... that is, it will show up with apt?
[07:10] <housetier> I thought its used like "checkinstall -D make install" and it will give you a .deb at the end
[07:10] <karljp> that was what I was saying with the last bit yes :)
[07:10] <karljp> houstier, I think that might be the default
[07:11] <chrisp> how can i add a command to the boot sequence?  (something like rc.local)
[07:11] <karljp> cos I've just done it as sudo checkinstall, and I've got the deb at the end.
[07:12] <agent> karljp, okay! thanks again... ill have to read up on this command.... i have only been using debian-based (ubuntu being first debian distro) for a few days so im not all familiar with it just yet :)
[07:13] <karljp> lots of people don't use it.
[07:13] <karljp> if you're sure you want it, and aren't likely to remove it, you can just make install like normal :)
[07:13] <karljp> I just like it as it lets me see in dpkg -l
[07:13] <karljp> debian has all sorts of trickery
[07:14] <Badness45> KARL: can u take a look of the install i followed  http://www.runithard.com/HOWTO-BCOM64WIRELESS/
[07:14] <karljp> oh wowo
[07:14] <karljp> I thought you were looking at the ubuntu ndiswrapper howto :)
[07:14] <Badness45> no
[07:14] <karljp> you need 64bit?
[07:14] <Badness45> where is that
[07:14] <Badness45> my laptop is a 64bit
[07:15] <karljp> are you running a 64bit kernel?
[07:15] <Badness45> yeah
[07:15] <karljp> stupid google
[07:15] <karljp> the page I wanted used to show up first
[07:16] <karljp> now it's just full of whiners on the forums
[07:16] <geovino> hi
[07:16] <geovino> how do I show my hda icon on the desktop?
[07:16] <geovino> it's my winxp drive
[07:17] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu
[07:17] <karljp> try tha tone.
[07:17] <mindspore> server irc.rizon.net
[07:17] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[07:17] <karljp> that's the one I used
[07:17] <geogeo> anybody here has a laptop working on ubuntu ?
[07:17] <nanot3ch> Hey, what permissions do I need for PHP / Apache2? When I try to run phpinfo, it gives me errors that /usr/share/php could not be included...
[07:17] <geovino> karljp: can you explain it here? I've looked at that before
[07:18] <karljp> geogeo; /me is on a laptop right now
[07:18] <geogeo> ok
[07:18] <karljp> suspend to ram (sleep) is not as good as it should be
[07:18] <karljp> aka, I don't have it working yet, but I've done it once
[07:18] <geogeo> when system is running on battery power
[07:18] <geogeo> i've got 2h-2H30 hours left
[07:18] <Badness45> ok
[07:18] <geogeo> I should have 5 hours
[07:18] <geogeo> apmd is installed..!
[07:19] <karljp> did you really want apmd?
[07:19] <_hp_> anyone know of a editor like ultraedit for linux?
[07:19] <karljp> or did you just read that you should do that somewhere on the web?
[07:19] <karljp> apm is the old way iirc
[07:19] <geogeo> yeah but i haven't installed apmd
[07:19] <karljp> does it actually only last for 2 hours or so
[07:19] <geogeo> it was here by default
[07:19] <TobiasFar> what config do i have to write in GRUB config to let it also start Ubuntu?
[07:19] <karljp> or does it actually lasst for 5?
[07:19] <geogeo> for 2
[07:19] <dave_> dr_willis: you suggested https://localhost:10000. I'm setting things up from another computer on the network and I can't get permission. Any idea why?
[07:20] <karljp> hp: many many editors in linux
[07:20] <geogeo> and battery is full
[07:20] <karljp> do you have a second battery?
[07:20] <karljp> that it's just not using?
[07:20] <Fackamato> What do I need to install in order to have an NFS server?
[07:20] <Fackamato> i.e. export shares
[07:20] <karljp> or isn't it scaling back like it should?
[07:20] <geogeo> on windows, I've got 5 or 6 hours
[07:20] <_hp_> i'm looking for one that can find/replace text in a whole directory of files and with syntax highlighting
[07:20] <karljp> just as my desktop
[07:20] <geogeo> with ubuntu, just 2H30
[07:20] <karljp> hp just about all of them can do that.
[07:21] <karljp> you can try gedit for starters, as it's there by default
[07:21] <karljp> see if it meets your needs.
[07:22] <karljp> geo; what does /proc/cpufreq say?
[07:22] <karljp> what is minimum?
[07:22] <joe|code> I have a funny....
[07:22] <geogeo> minimum ?
[07:22] <karljp> do you have that file?
[07:23] <geogeo> yeah yeah
[07:23] <jeroen_> joe|code, what is it?
[07:23] <karljp> CPU  0       600000 kHz ( 42 %)  -    1400000 kHz (100 %)  -  userspace
[07:23] <geogeo> 600 000
[07:23] <joe|code> I went to the local LUG last week after not attending for a couple months and everyone there was using Ubuntu
[07:23] <joe|code> everyone!
[07:23] <geogeo> CPU  0       600000 kHz ( 37 %)  -    1600000 kHz (100 %)  -  userspace
[07:23] <karljp> so it should be doing it.
[07:23] <_hp_> is there a way to specify what the fourth button on my mouse does. it's working it just does what i don't want it to do
[07:23] <geogeo> ahah
[07:24] <jeroen_> joe|code, that's impressive :o
[07:26] <dave_> anyone have any experience setting up webmin. I have it installed on another machine and am trying to access it from my machine. However I get an access denied and I don't know what to do with that
[07:26] <Badness45> what is apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:26] <geogeo>  Modem untested. For suspend to RAM, needs APM (not ACPI) : add 'apm=on acpi=off nolapic' (without quotes) to kernel options in /boot/grub/menu.lst , add apm to /etc/modules, and add shpchp and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.
[07:26] <geogeo> oups
[07:26] <foxiness> is there page how-to install and configure wine on hoary ? "im found one for ubuntu4"
[07:27] <karljp> geo: where did that all come from?
[07:27] <Rubin> is there a way to export the list of installed packages, and make them marked for install on another system? (to 'copy' it)
[07:27] <TeamMCC> hi, wondering if anyone was able to get freenet to work? or if there is any documentation on setting it up for ubuntu?
[07:28] <geogeo> from wiki karljp
[07:28] <jeroen_> Is there a Free Software alternative for Skype? (preferably one which can connect with Skype), or is someone reverse-engineering it?
[07:28] <foxiness> Rubin, i think u ask about kickstart
[07:28] <karljp> which wiki page?
[07:28] <Rubin> thanks foxiness
[07:29] <g0dot> I guess the ubuntu security update on firefox fixes the new exploit?
[07:30] <karljp> heh, I'm listed as a contributer to the ndiswrapper broadcom page, and my only contribution is no longer in the page :)
[07:30] <jeroen_> anyone?
[07:30] <foxiness> Rubin, nps , you are welcome
[07:30] <Hoxzer> you born you take shit., you grow a little bit you take more shit, you grow again and you take some less shit, then you grow again and you dont even remember what shit was
[07:30] <geogeo> i http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[07:31] <geogeo> karljp, where in menu.lst should I add "apm=on"..
[07:31] <Amaranth> jeroen_: Someone has documented a very small part of the protocol, there is no project I know of that is attempting to work with Skype.
[07:31] <chaoticoz> hey guys :>
[07:31] <Amaranth> jeroen_: This is why you use open protocols. :)
[07:31] <geogeo> yo
[07:31] <foxiness> chaoticoz, hi
[07:31] <chaoticoz> question: how can i change my root pw?
[07:31] <jeroen_> Amaranth, yes I know. I love open protocols
[07:31] <geogeo> passwd root ?
[07:31] <jeroen_> chaoticoz: sudo passwd
[07:31] <geogeo> sudo passwd yeah..
[07:31] <chaoticoz> im on linux since 3 days
[07:31] <geogeo> sudo sudo..
[07:31] <chaoticoz> so go easy on me :D
[07:31] <chaoticoz> k thx :>
[07:32] <jeroen_> chaoticos: okay :)
[07:32] <geogeo> it's okay, everybody is easy here
[07:32] <geogeo> goes easy.
[07:32] <geogeo> i'm a DICK
[07:32] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, do you know how to open a terminal?
[07:32] <karljp> geo: you can just put it on the end of the kernel line
[07:32] <TeamMCC> anyone using freenet?
[07:32] <chaoticoz> ye jeroen_
[07:32] <_hp_> someone recommend me a good editor other than emacs and vim with syntax highlighting and a global search/replace...
[07:32] <chaoticoz> a friend told me how to
[07:32] <karljp> or you can try and get tricky with grub's kopt stuff
[07:32] <karljp> but I wouldn't bother
[07:32] <gus_> hoa
[07:32] <chaoticoz> but he isnt online atm :)
[07:32] <geogeo> ok
[07:32] <karljp> didn't I tell you about gedit earlier hp?
[07:33] <_hp_> karljp, tried it, no global search/replace
[07:33] <karljp> really?
[07:33] <geogeo> I'll test
[07:33] <geogeo> see ya
[07:33] <karljp> well use vim then
[07:33] <chaoticoz> kk, that worked
[07:33] <karljp> :)
[07:33] <foxiness> _hp_, am not using nano but maybe it
[07:33] <chaoticoz> thx
[07:33] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, okay, then just type "sudo passwd". Sudo means 'superuser do', you will need your password for that. Then it'll ask you for a new password for Root (twice).
[07:33] <chaoticoz> :)
[07:33] <chaoticoz> yeah
[07:33] <chaoticoz> i did it in root terminal
[07:33] <Badness45> karl: what is modprobe
[07:33] <karljp> what do you call global search and replae hp?
[07:33] <kestas> so can you guys not afford windows xp or something?
[07:33] <karljp> it has a search for/replace with /replace all setting
[07:34] <karljp> badness, I can't explain that well,
[07:34] <chaoticoz> another question: can i somehow use my old windows partition in linux?
[07:34] <Badness45> when i try to do that it says fatal error
[07:34] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, yes
[07:34] <karljp> but basically it loads a module by name, and any modules it depends on.
[07:34] <chaoticoz> :o
[07:34] <chaoticoz> how? :)
[07:34] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, is it FAT or NTFS?
[07:34] <foxiness> chaoticoz, its easy
[07:34] <chaoticoz> ntfs, i thinl
[07:34] <_hp_> chaoticoz, mount -t ntfs location mountpoint
[07:34] <Badness45> the operation not permitted
[07:34] <chaoticoz> think*
[07:34] <chaoticoz> ;o
[07:34] <karljp> well, you need to do it with sudo
[07:34] <chaoticoz> so much help in here :D
[07:34] <chaoticoz> thats coool
[07:34] <chaoticoz> -o
[07:34] <jeroen_> np
[07:34] <karljp> the broadcom ndis wiki does it with a root shell
[07:35] <_hp_> chaoticoz, open a root terminal and do vi /etc/fstab
[07:35] <foxiness> chaoticoz, lol
[07:35] <jeroen_> do you want it to mount ("load") at boot?
[07:35] <chaoticoz> yeah
[07:35] <g0dot> does anyone know whether the ubuntu firefox update fixes the newly discovered exploit or not?
[07:35] <Badness45> before anything i do a sudo -s
[07:35] <chaoticoz> did it _hp_
[07:35] <chaoticoz> shall i paste here?
[07:35] <karljp> or just put a sudo in front of most of the lines like I did badness :)
[07:35] <jeroen_> never paste here plz
[07:35] <chaoticoz> ok
[07:35] <chaoticoz> :)
[07:35] <jeroen_> not big stuff
[07:35] <_hp_> chaoticoz, don't, just edit it
[07:35] <foxiness> can anyone point me to good doc for wine on hoary
[07:35] <jeroen_> www.ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:36] <jeroen_> foxiness: it "just works" for me
[07:36] <Badness45> man i give up thanks for ur help
[07:36] <_hp_> chaoticoz, do you know where your windows partitions are?
[07:36] <Badness45> i'll stick to windows
[07:36] <kestas> hahah windows emulation
[07:36] <kestas> on linux
[07:36] <chaoticoz> well
[07:36] <chaoticoz> i think its /dev/hdb2
[07:36] <_hp_> Badness45, ever tried crossover ?
[07:36] <jeroen_> kestas: WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator ;)
[07:37] <kestas> then what is it?
[07:37] <kestas> an api?
[07:37] <Badness45> nah what is that
[07:37] <foxiness> jeroen_, k , apt-get install wine "that is all :)" nice
[07:37] <kestas> an api which emulates windows
[07:37] <chaoticoz>  <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[07:37] <jeroen_> foxiness: that worked for me
[07:37] <chaoticoz> what shall i put for options? :o
[07:37] <_hp_> chaoticoz, add this line: /dev/hdb2 MOUNTPT ntfs defaults,umask=0000 0 0
[07:37] <chaoticoz> (sorry for paste :x)
[07:37] <chaoticoz> ok thx :D
[07:37] <TeamMCC> anyone here use(d) freenet?
[07:37] <_hp_> chaoticoz, options should be defaults,umask=0000
[07:37] <kestas> with wine you can emulate solitair!
[07:37] <chaoticoz> ok
[07:38] <kestas> thats about it but hey
[07:38] <kestas> its worth it
[07:38] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, paste is okay, it's just that we don't want you to paste a complete file
[07:38] <_hp_> anyone here try gimpshop?
[07:38] <alekandr> how would one go abouts suggestion the adding of a package into the ubuntu apt repo ?
[07:38] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, that's *very* anoying
[07:38] <chaoticoz> oh
[07:38] <chaoticoz> yeah :>
[07:38] <jeroen_> alekandr, for universe?
[07:38] <alekandr> jeroen_: indeed so
[07:38] <chaoticoz> how can i save the file with vi?
[07:38] <dravine> :wq
[07:38] <_hp_> chaoticoz, :wq
[07:38] <chaoticoz> thx
[07:38] <chaoticoz> :>
[07:39] <kestas> its so obvious
[07:39] <kestas> colon w q
[07:39] <jeroen_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[07:39] <kestas> colon for command
[07:39] <kestas> w for write
[07:39] <kestas> q for quit
[07:39] <kestas> what could be easier?
[07:39] <_hp_> :q!
[07:39] <kestas> file>save and file>quit?
[07:39] <jamesio> can you guys recommend a good gnome file manager similiar to windows explorer?
[07:39] <kestas> or file>save and the cross in the top left
[07:39] <jeroen_> alekandr, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates
[07:40] <kestas> how about just using windows numb nuts?
[07:40] <jeroen_> jamesio, nautilus is similar, you just need to change the settings
[07:40] <chaoticoz> kestas: /quit woulkd be easier for me :)
[07:40] <alekandr> jeroen_: thanks :D
[07:40] <jamesio> numb nuts???
[07:40] <jeroen_> jamesio, mine looks pretty similar to windows explorer
[07:40] <kestas> except drag and drop is drag and crash
[07:40] <karljp> gvim
[07:40] <jamesio> I've used nautilus... was just hoping to get a myriad of answers and then test them all
[07:40] <kestas> and copy and paste
[07:40] <kestas> is copy and crash
[07:40] <dravine> rox
[07:41] <kestas> and click and play
[07:41] <kestas> is click and crash
[07:41] <jeroen_> jamesio, okay. It's somewhere in settings, you need to click something IIRC. Not sure where though
[07:41] <dravine> and click and SHUT THE FUCK UP
[07:41] <jamesio> kestas, can you say anything positive?  all you've done in here is bitch.
[07:41] <dravine> we get that everything you do crashes
[07:42] <dravine> maybe it's a PEBKAC issues kestas
[07:42] <jamesio> jeroen_, thanks.  I'll play with the settings.  ever use any others like it?
[07:42] <_hp_> jamesh, nautilus is pretty much like windows explorer if you change information to tree
[07:42] <jeroen_> jamesio, _hp_ is right
[07:42] <chaoticoz> how can i unmount a disk?
[07:42] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, umount /dev/hdb2
[07:42] <kestas> hahah
[07:42] <jamesio> _hp_, I did that.  I was hoping people used other similiar apps... there might just be another out there that I'm not familiar with.
[07:42] <chaoticoz> thx :D
[07:43] <dave_> anyone have any sucess getting webmin to work? I can't get access to the setup page
[07:43] <kestas> how do I uhhhh make it look and act like windows?
[07:43] <kestas> and run windows programs?
[07:43] <kestas> and not crash?
[07:43] <jamesio> kestas, you're an idiot.
[07:43] <zxc> if I just want to open a "Mathematica" executables (shell file?) in terminal how do I do it?
[07:43] <zxc> don't I just cd to the directory and type "Mathematica" which is the filename?
[07:43] <kestas> because Im not using your oh so leet os?
[07:43] <chaoticoz> 1 more question: :/ how can i set the mounted disk so i can open it as normal user?
[07:44] <jeroen_> zxc if they're in your home, or any directory in which you can execute files, use ./executablefilename
[07:44] <jamesio> kestas, what os???  windows or ubuntu?  I use both.
[07:44] <dravine> kestas, you are why stem cell research should be allowed, because it's evident that you're a waste of carbon
[07:44] <xilch|w> kestas: to run windows apps you need wine
[07:44] <AirWays> Hmm
[07:44] <kestas> thanks xilch|w
[07:44] <AirWays> How I can update my Warty to Hoary?
[07:44] <zxc> mathematica cannot determine operating system.
[07:44] <AirWays> I dont have X-server
[07:44] <kestas> but how do I stop it crashing?
[07:44] <karljp> or just make it work a bit faster
[07:44] <_hp_> chaoticoz, you have your options wrong, in /etc/fstab make sure that the options are defaults,umask=0000
[07:44] <jeroen_> AirWays, look at the wiki
[07:44] <chaoticoz> yeah
[07:44] <karljp> mine just decided to not copy all the files I'd selected to the other drive
[07:44] <chaoticoz> but when i try with /mount
[07:44] <AirWays> URL?
[07:45] <kestas> when I type apt-get wine it says
[07:45] <chaoticoz> i dont want to reboot atm :/
[07:45] <kestas> 'get windows dipshit
[07:45] <kestas> whats up with that?
[07:45] <jeroen_> kestas, apt-get install wine
[07:45] <kestas> ahhh
[07:45] <karljp> you got the special version of wine.
[07:45] <geogeo> hey hey
[07:45] <karljp> ACME::Insulteh::User
[07:45] <geogeo> I've got another question \o/
[07:45] <geogeo> about printers
[07:45] <karljp> hows this one look geo?
[07:45] <jeroen_> geogeo, heyhey
[07:45] <karljp> got 5hours now?
[07:46] <geogeo> i dunno karljp
[07:46] <geogeo> we'll see
[07:46] <geogeo> it seems like it doesn't change anything
[07:46] <kestas> let me guess; how can I use printers which are plug and play in windows?
[07:46] <karljp> what does the battery estimate say at least?
[07:46] <kestas> its easy geogeo
[07:46] <geogeo> I've gained 15 minutes power
[07:46] <kestas> type apt-get supsd
[07:46] <kestas> *cupds
[07:46] <geogeo> cupsd ?
[07:46] <frankps> Anyone here with Hula experience under Ubuntu
[07:46] <jamesio> kestas, don't offer help if you're going to call people stupid.
[07:46] <karljp> and if cupsd wasn't installed by default, how did you manage that?
[07:46] <xilch|w> AirWays: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:46] <chaoticoz> _hp_ : still there?
[07:46] <gazzie> helpoc, i had fglrx installed ok the other, fgl_glxgears running OK, now it's gone back to that mesa thing
[07:46] <geogeo> I've got cupsd
[07:47] <geogeo> my printer isn't on the list
[07:47] <gazzie> i let my friend fiddle with something to get quakeworld working and he's reset it somehow
[07:47] <gazzie> :P
[07:47] <jeroen_> geogeo: system -> administration -> printing didn't help?
[07:47] <_hp_> chaoticoz, yes
[07:47] <chaoticoz> cool
[07:47] <jeroen_> gazzie, check your xorg.conf
[07:47] <Dutch> crimsun, you there again ?
[07:47] <chaoticoz> so how can i do it with /mount?
[07:47] <jeroen_> gazzie, change ati in fglrx
[07:47] <geogeo> it's okay for the battery karljp
[07:47] <geogeo> time is increasing =] 
[07:47] <geogeo> jeroen_,  ?
[07:47] <karljp> good good :)
[07:47] <geogeo> my printer isn't on the list
[07:47] <kestas> haha
[07:47] <kestas> course it isnt
[07:47] <_hp_> chaoticoz, what are you looking to do?
[07:48] <kestas> this is linux after all
[07:48] <geogeo> I have to use turboprint ?
[07:48] <jeroen_> geogeo, what printer is it
[07:48] <geogeo> i560 (canon)
[07:48] <chaoticoz> mount a hdd to let normal user use it :o
[07:48] <kestas> okay okay geogeo
[07:48] <chaoticoz> w/o restarting
[07:48] <jeroen_> kestas, what you say is useless
[07:48] <kestas> heres how you do it: rm -rf *
[07:48] <jeroen_> kestas, this is a support channel
[07:48] <kestas> and install windows
[07:48] <jeroen_> don't listen to kestas
[07:48] <jamesio> can someone get rid of him?
[07:48] <geogeo> this is not funny kesta
[07:48] <kestas> its not that hard
[07:48] <geogeo> s
[07:48] <gazzie> what is     Identifier                          "ATI Graphics Adapter"
[07:48] <gazzie>     Driver                              "fglrx"
[07:48] <_hp_> chaoticoz, did you edit your fstab correctly? becuase if you did you can just do umount -a and then  mount -a
[07:49] <kestas> I guarentee it will work straight away
[07:49] <Dutch> kestas is just a poor troll looking for attention.. disregard him.
[07:49] <chaoticoz> oh
[07:49] <kestas> seriously
[07:49] <jeroen_> Amaranth, bob2 crimsun daniels tritium (ops) please kick kestas; he's being a bitch
[07:49] <geogeo> don't reboot, just mount -a
[07:49] <geogeo> sudo mount -a
[07:49] <karljp> pmount!
[07:49] <chaoticoz> works! :D
[07:49] <chaoticoz> thx alot
[07:49] <chaoticoz> :)
[07:49] <geogeo> so jeroen_ do you know a solution for the printer ?
[07:49] <Amaranth> jeroen_: I'll keep an eye on him.
[07:49] <jeroen_> gazzie, that's okay
[07:49] <tritium> jeroen_, what's going on?
[07:49] <karljp> just some mild trollage
[07:49] <jeroen_> tritium: read the stuff kestas said
[07:50] <Amaranth> tritium: He is telling people to rm -rf * and install windows, just your average troll.
[07:50] <geogeo> ahha my trackpoint doesn't work anymore
[07:50] <geogeo> battery is increasing
[07:50] <jeroen_> geogeo, no
[07:50] <tritium> kestas, please...
[07:50] <geogeo> but trackpoint disappeared ahah
[07:50] <geogeo> kestas, we say u re not funny
[07:50] <geogeo> not even nasty, just a jerk
[07:50] <Amaranth> ignore him and he'll leave
[07:50] <whyz> oi, where's the equivalent of /etc/modules.conf in ubuntu?
[07:50] <xilch|w> sheesh - relax people, it's not like people are buying into kestas' crap
[07:50] <_hp_> if you want to install windows you don't have to do rm -rf *, you can just put the windows cd in and tell it to format everything
[07:50] <os|gaz> restarting X fixed that...
[07:50] <geogeo> definitively Amaranth
[07:51] <os|gaz> i have another qurey though, i'm trying to run Fuhquake-GL (quakeworld client)
[07:51] <os|gaz> and i'm getting really crappy FPS
[07:51] <Dutch> geogeo, disregard him.. You are giving him exactly what he want.. The attention he can't get out in real life.
[07:51] <os|gaz> like 2/3 FPS :P
[07:51] <os|gaz> when i load fuhquake it says it is still using mesa
[07:51] <jamesio> dutch, that's funny.
[07:51] <os|gaz> http://ninjapirates.net/fuhquake116.jpg <--
[07:51] <fep> i need help to configure my mouse, i have a genius with net-scroll, that's is connected on the serial port, not on ps2, somone nows how i solve this?
[07:51] <geogeo> it's okay, i cant see him anymore dude
[07:51] <os|gaz> lie there
[07:51] <os|gaz> any ideas?
[07:51] <Amaranth> osity: run this in a terminal 'glxinfo | grep Direct'
[07:51] <os|gaz> fglrxinfo reports back as it shoul do.
[07:51] <Seveas> fep, have you searched the forums?
[07:51] <Amaranth> err, os|gaz
[07:51] <fep> yep
[07:51] <chaoticoz> _hp_ : is there a good mp3 player coming with ubuntu=
[07:51] <gazzie> :)
[07:51] <chaoticoz> ?*
[07:51] <xilch|w> bunch of crybabies
[07:51] <gazzie> nothing came up Amaranth
[07:52] <fep> there's was just help of other kinds of mouss
[07:52] <geogeo> so, nobody knows how to install a printer which isn't in cupsd ?
[07:52] <geogeo> I'll have to spend time on it !
[07:52] <kestas> trollage xilch|w
[07:52] <tritium> Amaranth, thanks...
[07:52] <kestas> trollage
[07:52] <_hp_> chaoticoz, check out the Music Player in Apps > sound and video, much like itunes... you can also try xmms
[07:52] <Seveas> fep, so you must have found: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[07:52] <Amaranth> gazzie: sorry, it's a small d: 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[07:52] <zxc> how do you change the program which default opens say opens .mp3?
[07:52] <Seveas> fep, just replace xserver-xfree86 with xserver-xorrg
[07:52] <Fackamato> Can anyone help me with NFS?
[07:52] <Seveas> fep, just replace xserver-xfree86 with xserver-xorg
[07:53] <kestas> much like itunes except it thinks every mp3 with a slightly different idv2 tag is a different album
[07:53] <Seveas> zxc, system -> preferences -> preferred applications
[07:53] <fep> hmm, i was tryng in the hoarin forum ;)
[07:53] <Fackamato> I've set up hosts.allow and exports, and nfs-kernel-serevr, modules are loaded, I can telnet to port 139, but the other computer gets "access denied" when trying to mount :/
[07:53] <chaoticoz> thx again _hp_ :)
[07:53] <fep> tnk u :))
[07:53] <karljp> anyone know how to give a fat32 volume a volume name?
[07:53] <Seveas> yw
[07:53] <gazzie> direct rendering: Yes
[07:53] <kestas> 139 is SMB Fackamato
[07:53] <karljp> so it doesn't just pop up as"200gig media" and be mounted as /media/usbdisk?
[07:53] <Amaranth> gazzie: hrm, no idea then
[07:53] <kestas> boot up into Windows karljp
[07:53] <gazzie> problem seems to be that fuhquake is using mesa instead of fglrx.. if that makes sense to you
[07:53] <kestas> its much easier from there
[07:53] <chaoticoz> _hp_ may i query you?
[07:53] <gazzie> not sure i've got the terminology
[07:54] <chaoticoz> so much chat in here, hard to see what you write :)
[07:54] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, _hp_ I suggest beep-media-player. it's xmms but better :p
[07:54] <chaoticoz> :o
[07:54] <Amaranth> tritium: I'll let you decide on this one, I'm still new. :)
[07:54] <karljp> thanks for the tip kestas! that sounds like exactly what I was looking for
[07:54] <geogeo> beep doesn't work on my computer
[07:54] <geogeo> it's strange..!
[07:54] <_hp_> i'm pretty content with rythmbox
[07:54] <kestas> Im here to serve karljp ;)
[07:54] <karljp> geo: did you change beep to output esd?
[07:54] <geogeo> yeah
[07:54] <karljp> it tries alsa by default and will freeze
[07:54] <_hp_> only thing that bothers me is that i can't send it to the tray, like gaim
[07:54] <karljp> hmm, oh well then :)
[07:55] <geogeo> ajaj
[07:55] <TeamMCC> anyone here used freenet ?
[07:55] <Amaranth> chaoticoz: That's why we put the name of who we're talking to in front of our messages. Makes it easier to follow.
[07:55] <geogeo> and anybody knows a good player like rythmbox ?
[07:55] <geogeo> (another)
[07:55] <chaoticoz> :o
[07:55] <geogeo> some itunes like
[07:55] <jeroen_> _hp_, i like muine, it's great and it goes on the tray
[07:55] <kestas> itunes
[07:55] <kestas> oh wait thats not on linux
[07:55] <Fackamato> kestas: doh
[07:55] <kestas> damn
[07:55] <jeroen_> _hp_, it also displays the covers of albums
[07:55] <Amaranth> kestas: I'm working on that.
[07:55] <_hp_> jeroen_, itunes-like interface?
[07:56] <geogeo> yeah
[07:56] <Amaranth> _hp_: Not even close to iTunes-like
[07:56] <geogeo> oh
[07:56] <geogeo> sorry.
[07:56] <kestas> well I guess he could use winamp 5
[07:56] <jeroen_> _hp_, never used itunes, so I don't know
[07:56] <kestas> oh wait no, thats not on linux either
[07:56] <Amaranth> _hp_: It's much better.
[07:56] <kestas> damn
[07:56] <JairunCaloth> heh, I was just about to look and see if there was a winamp port for linux... :(
[07:57] <Seveas> JairunCaloth, there is
[07:57] <kestas> hahahah
[07:57] <karljp> xmms/beep are pretty similar
[07:57] <Amaranth> JairunCaloth: Winamp 3 worked on Linux.
[07:57] <Seveas> it's called beep-media-player
[07:57] <sig> mpxp rocks
[07:57] <sig> heh
[07:57] <jeroen_> _hp_, http://muine.gooeylinux.org/muine.png
[07:57] <kestas> is there a windows port for linux?
[07:57] <JairunCaloth> winamp 3 is good
[07:57] <sig> mxpx I mean
[07:57] <JairunCaloth> do the plugins work?
[07:57] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, yes
[07:57] <Amaranth> kestas: Yeah, it's called PieceOfShit 0.0.1
[07:57] <_hp_> i'll give it a shot
[07:57] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, no, not sure; skins work
[07:57] <kestas> with a mere 3 hours of configuration you bet!
[07:58] <kestas> I bet it is Amaranth
[07:58] <kestas> and I bet it's GPL
[07:58] <Amaranth> If anyone else thinks he is getting out of hand ping me and I'll silence him.
[07:58] <JairunCaloth> jeroen: so plugins may not, but skins work
[07:58] <_hp_> i thought he was kicked out
[07:58] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, I don't know about plugins, but skins work
[07:58] <kestas> I bet its called PINAPOS (PINAPOS Is Not A Piece Of Shit)
[07:59] <Amaranth> _hp_: I never kick, I just +q (so they can't talk)
[07:59] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, you could check the XMMS and/or the beep-media-player website
[07:59] <karljp> and it has a cuty pineapple logo
[07:59] <kestas> and I bet the developers thought the recursive acronym was very clever
[07:59] <jeroen_> Amaranth, that's more annoying than kick :p
[07:59] <GNAM> our PIL is 0.5% down
[07:59] <_hp_> were i an op he would be glined from the planet earth (bash.org quote)
[07:59] <Seveas> Amaranth, by all means, please silence him...
[07:59] <Xanadu> hey peeps
[08:00] <jeroen_> hi
[08:00] <Xanadu> whats happening?
[08:00] <Dutch> Amaranth.. Kick his butt back to kindergarten please..
[08:00] <jamesio> amar, I second the notion.
[08:00] <jeroen_> Xanadu, we're requesting "kick kestas"
[08:00] <jeroen_> Xanadu, it's a fun game, you should join ;)
[08:00] <Xanadu> are any of the sysops awake?
[08:00] <jeroen_> Xanadu, yes
[08:00] <tritium> everyone is capable of /ignoring him
[08:00] <sig> I really don't see what he has done wrong?
[08:00] <sig> oh well
[08:00] <sig> tritium: exactly
[08:01] <Xanadu> well there he goes
[08:01] <Xanadu> and here he comes
[08:01] <Amaranth> And there he is.
[08:01] <Amaranth> Just ignore him.
[08:01] <_hp_> hm.... muine doesn't add songs
[08:01] <jeroen_> what's a Tuborg?
[08:01] <JairunCaloth> can winamp skins be made to on XMMS?
[08:01] <Xanadu> can't u kline him>
[08:01] <jeroen_> _hp_, no?
[08:01] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, yeah
[08:01] <sig> jeroen_: sounds weird
[08:01] <AirWays> Hmm, so how I can update my Warty to Hoary?
[08:01] <JairunCaloth> sweet
[08:01] <_hp_> i import a folder and nothing shows up
[08:02] <sig> jeroen_: looks like electronic greeting cards
[08:02] <jeroen_> AirWays, wiki
[08:02] <sig> http://www.tuborg.com/green.html
[08:02] <AirWays> Wiki?
[08:02] <jeroen_> sig, what?
[08:02] <Xanadu> AirWays: through synaptic change all the warties to hoaries
[08:02] <JairunCaloth> what's the difference between a .gz and a .bz2
[08:02] <Xanadu> AirWays then update
[08:02] <_hp_> oh, i see, how do i get it show all of the songs in the playlist?
[08:02] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, both are compressed
[08:02] <Seveas> AirWays: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:02] <Xanadu> AirWays then apply
[08:02] <jeroen_> _hp_, "add song"?
[08:02] <sig> jeroen_: cool ass site actually
[08:02] <Amaranth> JairunCaloth: different compression techniques
[08:02] <kestas> seriously: in the time I have been here about 30% of the questions have been about how to get Windows like behaviour in linux
[08:02] <kestas> does that not bother anyone?
[08:03] <AirWays> Okay...
[08:03] <kestas> does that not seem silly?
[08:03] <Seveas> kestas, you bother more people...
[08:03] <JairunCaloth> jeroen: different programs then?
[08:03] <AirWays> Is that dangerious?
[08:03] <AirWays> Is there some danger to my files can be destory?
[08:03] <Xanadu> AirWays no it's pretty safe
[08:03] <AirWays> Okay
[08:03] <AirWays> I'll try that...
[08:03] <Xanadu> AirWays use Seveas' line
[08:03] <AirWays> I hope that is safe :)
[08:03] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, they've been compressed with another method
[08:03] <karljp> there's a reason people want windows like behaviour
[08:03] <JairunCaloth> I've got my windows drive mounted so I can access them
[08:03] <AirWays> Jes
[08:03] <Seveas> kestas, people are used to some behaviour, what's bad for wanting to keep that behaviour?
[08:03] <AirWays> But
[08:03] <karljp> that's a strong point of windows
[08:03] <karljp> that's why it sells
[08:03] <AirWays> Should I close my psyBNC:s +
[08:03] <_hp_> jeroen_, it's working, how do i get it to show all of the songs in the playlist?
[08:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I install a theme into gnome?
[08:04] <Xanadu> Airways your what???
[08:04] <jeroen_> _hp_, what do you mean?
[08:04] <Dutch> BBL
[08:04] <jeroen_> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/muine.png
[08:04] <AirWays> My psyBNCs ?
[08:04] <AirWays> I have psyBNC in my server
[08:04] <Amaranth> _hp_: Queue up all the songs/albums
[08:04] <AirWays> Should I stop it?
[08:04] <jeroen_> _hp_, does it look like that? http://muine.gooeylinux.org/muine.png
[08:04] <Xanadu> Airways dunno what it does but probably not
[08:04] <flevour> hi all
[08:04] <_hp_> jeroen_, yeah, i got it.. just select all albums
[08:04] <karljp> that's an odd reason to like something
[08:04] <karljp> though there are definitely aspects of mediaplayer that are horrible
[08:04] <JairunCaloth> how can I find out what packages are installed on my system?
[08:05] <flevour> does anyone have problems with printing lately?
[08:05] <AirWays> So I should close?
[08:05] <_hp_> FlyingSquirrel32, drag and drop into theme manager
[08:05] <ubuntu> just try out ubuntu it is wondefull
[08:05] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, run synaptic
[08:05] <Seveas> JairunCaloth, dpkg -l
[08:05] <tritium> JairunCaloth, dpkg -l
[08:05] <flevour> gnome-cups-manager sounds a little buggy
[08:05] <Amaranth> ubuntu: Glad you like it.
[08:05] <Xanadu> Airways no you can keep using ubuntu while it downloads the upgrades - it'll take quite a while
[08:05] <Seveas> or in synaptic: filter on installed packages JairunCaloth
[08:05] <jeroen_> JairunCaloth, synaptic -> status -> installed
[08:05] <ubuntu> yes it is wonderfull just insert the cd
[08:05] <karljp> gah, cp -a for 73k files is taking forrrrr evvvvvverrrr
[08:05] <darkaudit> karljp: Media Player will mess about with the ID3 tags by default...
[08:05] <karljp> well, I only use media player for playing videos
[08:05] <karljp> and it does that mroe relibaly than anything I've found on linux yet
[08:05] <ubuntu> and it starts itself and eveithinh is working
[08:05] <flevour> i configure my printer through it, but it keeps sending gibberish to printer
[08:05] <karljp> I used winamp for mp3s
[08:06] <_hp_> i think i'll completely remove windows xp as soon as i get photoshop installed on linux
[08:06] <kestas> not likely
[08:06] <karljp> hehe, good luck
[08:06] <karljp> which photoshop?
[08:06] <Seveas> _hp_, have you tried the gimp?
[08:06] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: gimp is not enough?
[08:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> _hp_, but what I downloaded is a tar.gz? I drag the entire file?
[08:06] <karljp> gimp is not enoguh
[08:06] <Xanadu> what is PsyBNC anywayz?
[08:06] <darkaudit> _hp_: GIMP :)
[08:06] <ubuntu> microsoft finally get more players
[08:06] <karljp> no adjustment layers :(
[08:06] <karljp> gimp is "one day" software.
[08:06] <Seveas> Xanadu, an IRC bouncer, sort of IRC proxy
[08:06] <_hp_> i've tried gimp, it doesn't play good with the psds i have so far, plus i like photoshop
[08:06] <Xanadu> oooh
[08:06] <tritium> _hp_, use winetools, and you can install photoshop
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> karljp: explain "one day" software?
[08:07] <Xanadu> guess he closed it then since he's dissapeared
[08:07] <karljp> tritium: can you get photoshop cs installed?
[08:07] <_hp_> tritium, i bought crossover... simpler
[08:07] <karljp> I had heard you could get 7, but not cs.
[08:07] <tritium> _hp_, okay
[08:07] <darkaudit> xine + w32codecs plays 99.9% of videos I have... and mplayer takes care of the rest...
[08:07] <_hp_> cs works nice, cs2 doesn't
[08:07] <tritium> karljp, I have not tried.  I don't own any commercial software.
[08:07] <karljp> fator: it will be excellent one day, but not today
[08:07] <Xanadu> you guys know that there's a photoshop frontend for Gimp?
[08:07] <karljp> xanadu: that's just a look/feel
[08:07] <_hp_> Xanadu, google gimpshop
[08:07] <Fator_Dee> karl: ok
[08:07] <karljp> it doesn't actually give you the missing things
[08:08] <jeroen_> Xanadu, what front-end?
[08:08] <karljp> fator: it is heading in good directions though :)
[08:08] <Xanadu> like they said gimpshop
[08:08] <karljp> like linux in general
[08:08] <jeroen_> Xanadu, yeah, didn't see that
[08:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> _hp_, ok and uninstall??
[08:08] <Xanadu> basically same menu structure as photoshop so u can find yer way around easily jeroen_
[08:08] <karljp> it's slowly starting to be borderline usable as a desktop os.
[08:08] <Fator_Dee> karljp: well, I know what kind of software it is, 'cause I have used it for a long time :-p
[08:08] <tritium> Seveas, are you using a bouncer or proxy?
[08:08] <_hp_> FlyingSquirrel32, remove theme?
[08:08] <kestas> who cares that its no good? its heading in good directions
[08:08] <Fator_Dee> karljp: and I've been totally pleased with it
[08:08] <Seveas> tritium, no
[08:08] <darkaudit> Xine has a skim feature... I haven't seen any other player that does that, in linux or XP
[08:09] <zxc> Seveas, that only gives you the option for preferred apps for mail and internet :/
[08:09] <FlyingSquirrel32> _hp_, yes, how do I remove a theme?
[08:09] <tritium> Seveas, ah, I've got irssi-proxy running on my home server
[08:09] <Seveas> zxc, ok, them try right click on the mp3 file
[08:09] <Seveas> tritium, i don't have a home server :)
[08:09] <kestas> shouldnt you be using ogg?
[08:09] <tritium> Seveas, oh, okay :)
[08:09] <Seveas> but with a bit of luck i'll have a home clusteer in a few weeks :)
[08:09] <kestas> mp3 is for luz0rs
[08:10] <tritium> nice, Seveas
[08:10] <karljp> mp3 is for users
[08:10] <_hp_> what's the appled for the systray where gaim and muine reside?
[08:10] <Fator_Dee> _hp_: system tray?
[08:10] <Seveas> notification area _hp_
[08:10] <kestas> mp3 is commercially owned
[08:11] <darkaudit> try to find a COTS portable player that supports ogg
[08:11] <nash> how can i install xorg devellopment headers ?
[08:11] <_hp_> arrr. i just i want to move the system tray to the bottom right instead of top right
[08:11] <Seveas> nash xlibs-dev?
[08:11] <jeroen_> _hp_, just remove it and add it on the bottom?
[08:11] <jeroen_> _hp_, then move it around to the left
[08:12] <Seveas> jeroen_, not needed
[08:12] <Seveas> just unlock it
[08:12] <nash> Seveas, i don't see xlibs dev
[08:12] <_hp_> weird, it works
[08:12] <Seveas> and then move it :)
[08:12] <Seveas> nash what do you need to cimpile?
[08:12] <Seveas> compile even...
[08:12] <nash> yeahconsole
[08:12] <zxc> Seveas, hmm, anyway to get it so when I double click on the icon it opens my preferred music app?
[08:12] <karljp> anyone know how to get the desktop contents flyout?
[08:13] <nash> any ideas ?
[08:13] <jeroen_> zxc, right mouse button -> open with.. -> select your favorite app -> "always open with"
[08:13] <tritium> flyout?
[08:13] <Xanadu> nash i don't see it either - guess you'll have do download
[08:14] <zxc> jereon_, where's the "Always open with" bit?
[08:14] <Seveas> nash, apt-get install xlibs-dev
[08:14] <karljp> on xp you can click on a button in the start bar and get a flyout menu (popout) with all the items on your desktop
[08:14] <jeroen_> zxc, sorry
[08:14] <jeroen_> zxc, you need "properties"
[08:14] <Seveas> it's there, even in main
[08:14] <jeroen_> zxc, then "open with" and select it
[08:14] <BrianB04> Hey, I got a bit of a problem with Ubuntu. Connecting to anything on the internet is extremely slow, seems to be the DNS lookup takes forever, what's going on?
[08:14] <zxc> ah k cool thanks jeroen_
[08:15] <nash> However the following packages replace it:
[08:15] <nash>   xutils
[08:15] <nash> E: Package xlibs-dev has no installation candidate
[08:15] <Seveas> BrianB04, maybe a hickup at your provider?
[08:15] <BrianB04> Seveas: Wasn't doing that in Windows...
[08:15] <jeroen_> BrianB04, have you tried typing in IP adresses in your browser (to check it's DNS's fault)
[08:15] <Seveas> nash, hmm?? it's in hoary main...
[08:15] <kestas> :)
[08:15] <Xanadu> nash i got libx11-dev - maybe that's what u're looking for?
[08:15] <nash> apt-get install xutils
[08:15] <nash> xutils is already the newest version.
[08:15] <kestas> BrianB04, why not use windows then?
[08:15] <kestas> wouldnt it be easier?
[08:16] <_hp_> someone -q kestas
[08:16] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-cache show xlibs-dev
[08:16] <Seveas> Filename: pool/main/x/xorg/xlibs-dev_6.8.2-10_all.deb
[08:16] <jeroen_> kestas, I wonder seriously what you're doing in #ubuntu if you're just going to say "Windows is better"
[08:16] <BrianB04> Yea, it seems to be DNS lookups are taking awhile in Linux...hrmmm...
[08:16] <Fator_Dee> he wants to grow to a big troll
[08:16] <kestas> probably a microsoft conspiracy right guys?
[08:16] <FlyingSquirrel32> _hp_, Okay, I assume I can delete the .tar file I downloaded once it installs, right?
[08:16] <jeroen_> kestas, I won't join #porsche and then go say everytime someone asks something "just use a Jaguar!"
[08:17] <_hp_> windows is better for some things, like games. for everything else ubuntu is better
[08:17] <_hp_> FlyingSquirrel32, yeah
[08:17] <darkaudit> Amaranth: k+b time I think...
[08:17] <karljp> he's not doing very well
[08:17] <thenuke> kestas: you unbelievable stupid
[08:17] <kestas> games, and printing, and office work
[08:17] <Amaranth> kestas: Please stop.
[08:17] <nash> Xanadu, could you send me your source.list ?
[08:17] <kestas> okay okay
[08:17] <tritium> kestas, why are you running xchat on linux anyway, if Windows is so much better?
[08:17] <karljp> to effectively troll he should be picking on a sly aspect of ubuntu's design
[08:17] <karljp> and questioning why it was done that way
[08:18] <kestas> tritium, you can get all linux apps on windows :)
[08:18] <kestas> thats the best part :)
[08:18] <kestas> everything on linux you can get on windows :)
[08:18] <tritium> kestas, you're running linux kernel 2.6.10-5
[08:18] <thenuke> yeah, like linux kernel and everything
[08:18] <Fator_Dee> busted!
[08:18] <kestas> or did I alter the response?
[08:18] <thenuke> I would vote for kick :P If you do /last kestas
[08:18] <kestas> ;)
[08:18] <thenuke> you will see why we do not need this guy in here
[08:18] <jeroen_> I think kestas is funny when he's being stupid
[08:19] <karljp> he's really not getting the rants in response that any good troll should be chasing
[08:19] <darkaudit> karljp: like what gtk does to stuff like file roller... selecting a folder in the right hand list by default and forcing the user to back up a level from where he should be in order to extract a file to where he/she *really* wants it to go...
[08:19] <dabaSlon_slp>  /nick dabaSlon
[08:19] <dabaSlon_slp> heh
[08:19] <karljp> dark: precisely :)
[08:20] <dabaSlon> kestas, go workn on your antispyware project...
[08:20] <Scorpinf> can i write to ntfs partitions that i mount or should i let it be read only. ??
[08:20] <darkaudit> I get the same thing in sound-juicer... if I want to use /usr/local/music, I have to select /usr/local, and then highlight music in the right hand list
[08:20] <kestas> ?
[08:20] <dabaSlon> sorry, wrong nick completion
[08:20] <BrianB04> I wonder if it may have something to do with Comcast's rather...horrid DNS servers at the moment...should change the DNS servers to something else.
[08:21] <karljp> dialogs just generalyl suck
[08:21] <tritium> kestas, if you were an actual threat, I'd have dealt with you.  As it is, you're just amusing.
[08:21] <dabaSlon> BrianB04: I work tech syupport for comcast...
[08:21] <kestas> dealt with me how?
[08:21] <jeroen_> banning you, duh, kestas
[08:21] <darkaudit> bug in gtk has been fixed upstream, but according to bugzilla, it's not going to be fixed in Hoary. Now *this* is something that seiously disappoints me about Ubuntu... not fixing seious usability bugs
[08:21] <Amaranth> /mode #ubuntu +q *!*@ppp170-213.lns1.per1.internode.on.net
[08:21] <Amaranth> Like that.
[08:21] <darkaudit> s/serious/seious
[08:21] <BrianB04> dabaSlon, Been having issues lately with Comcast's DNS servers...
[08:21] <karljp> dark: yeah
[08:21] <Seveas> Scorpinf, you could not even write if you mount it RW :)
[08:21] <karljp> it's been my big issue so far too
[08:22] <karljp> I love wht they've done with it
[08:22] <dabaSlon> brian, by what sign can you tell that dns lookups are taing longer?
[08:22] <karljp> but hoary is only good for another few weeks
[08:22] <kestas> Im just offering my support tritium
[08:22] <karljp> then it just falls out of date
[08:22] <dabaSlon> By not hving cleared out your cache recently?;)
[08:22] <jeroen_> kestas, hack me! ip: 127.0.0.1
[08:22] <BrianB04> Well, when I type like google.com, it takes roughly 30 seconds to start loading, with plain IP, it's instant.
[08:22] <karljp> and no new updates til they freeze breezy
[08:22] <dabaSlon> BrianB04: there were 3 days in which for abnout 3-4 hours the dns servers were not working,.
[08:22] <karljp> the bright side is that instead of having woody, and then just perpertually updating
[08:22] <jeroen_> darkaudit, I agree with you
[08:22] <darkaudit> karljp: but that's probably my only major issue with Ubuntu specifically :)
[08:22] <dabaSlon> Thatrs it about dns servers.
[08:22] <karljp> you know that you can start fresh with a new release every six months
[08:23] <Amaranth> There is no way kestas is running Windows, he isn't lit up like a christmas tree port wise. :)
[08:23] <dabaSlon> Usually, ppl hear DNS server issue, and then they think anything that they do wrong(routers, cache, not power cycling,.,,) has to do with DNS, since that is the new word they learned....
[08:23] <karljp> integration and consistency leave a lot to be desired, but compared to how things were a few years ago, or even 1 year ago, it's greatly improved
[08:23] <darkaudit> karljp: I'll probably go over to Breezy... but not as early as I did w/ Hoary
[08:23] <karljp> so I'll put up with it :)
[08:23] <karljp> yeah, breezy is going to need to be done, just not yet
[08:23] <dabaSlon> do you have a router, BrianB04?
[08:23] <karljp> I want wx 2.6, and grass 6
[08:23] <BrianB04> dabaSlon: Yep, of course:)
[08:23] <Xanadu> karljp guys what's the bug?
[08:23] <xilch|w> Amaranth: when I run windows you don't see any ports open
[08:24] <kestas> yeah Amaranth wth are you on about?
[08:24] <darkaudit> they don't even have a testing CD out for Breezy yet, so I'm content to wait
[08:24] <Amaranth> xilch|w: But you're an educated user. :)
[08:24] <dabaSlon> well, remove that and see, taht is the only way you can tell, and if it is slow after you remove router, power cycle, clear out cahce, you can be more certain that it is something to do with the service,..
[08:24] <Amaranth> kestas: Just messing with you.
[08:24] <dr_willis> Hurry Up and wait! :P
[08:24] <karljp> xanadu: I'm not sure which one in particular dark is talking about, but there are lots of dialogs that behave in inconsistent manners
[08:24] <karljp> and it's annoying
[08:24] <darkaudit> karljp: gimme a sec and I'll get the bugzilla #
[08:25] <karljp> (I don't want to know, really)
[08:25] <hawke_> darkaudit: I'm kinda curious.
[08:25] <dabaSlon> BrianB04: but a DNS issue, somewhat unlikely.
[08:25] <JairunCaloth> whoh.... this irc client will fix 'teh' into the
[08:25] <darkaudit> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[08:25] <hawke_> JairunCaloth: annoying, isn't it?
[08:25] <dabaSlon> But possibkle, I can chat into work to ask if you want...
[08:25] <karljp> jairun: welcome to xchat :)
[08:25] <Xanadu> lol
[08:25] <BrianB04> dabaSlon, I'm gonna test something...see what happens.
[08:25] <Q_Continuum> Anyone know offhand if a Netgear FA120 USB 2.0 Ethernet Adaptor will work natively under Ubuntu Hoary 5.04?
[08:25] <foxiness> can any one point me how-to active this command on startup "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" , am try put it on /etc/hdparm.conf like this "command_line{hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd}" is there something im missed here ?
[08:26] <JairunCaloth> but sometimes I want to say 'teh' without it changing ti
[08:26] <darkaudit> I like Xchat, but I'm really sold on irssi
[08:26] <dabaSlon> so, what you can test is cache, power cycle, and remove router, thats abotu it...firewall as well.
[08:26] <woodman> hey i'm having dependencies problems using apt-get or synaptic, anybody up on that?
[08:26] <hawke_> JairunCaloth: settings, advanced, auto replace
[08:26] <Seveas> woodman, libpostproc0?
[08:26] <Amaranth> woodman: Are you using breezy or any non-official repositories on hoary?
[08:27] <mainer> darkaudit: try jirssi(java-irssi),its nice
[08:27] <woodman> i'm trying to work out probs with evolution and it's exchange connector
[08:27] <dabaSlon> Hi, everyone!
[08:27] <zxc> hmm, is there anyway to refresh a frozen desktop (desktop as in where the icons are)
[08:27] <Q_Continuum> well, I'm gonna find out here in a second, right after I reinstall grub...letcha know in a bit..
[08:27] <woodman> and install evolution-dev but get unresolved dependencies results, won't install
[08:28] <Seveas> woodman, can you paste the complete error on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[08:28] <woodman> yup gimme a sec
[08:28] <foxiness> zxc, ctrl+R
[08:28] <dabaSlon> BrianB04: they say there is no dns outage.
[08:28] <dabaSlon> to their knowledge at this time.
[08:28] <zxc> Foxiness, that does nothing :/...it still remains brown will no icons and no interaction x_x
[08:29] <tritium> Xanadu, would you sing a line or two?  ;)
[08:29] <zxc> I've tried Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, that doesn't do anything either
[08:29] <karljp> http://beeroclock.net/~karl/file_browser-copyfailure-dialog.png  << that's my sort of problems
[08:29] <Xanadu> go for it tritium
[08:29] <mainer> zxc: ctrl+alt+backspace will restartx
[08:29] <foxiness> zxc, if this notwrok with u ctrl+alt+backspasce but not forget to save ur work first than login again
[08:29] <tritium> Xanadu, heh
[08:29] <karljp> why did it fail, what was the actual file, and why can't I resize that window?
[08:29] <woodman> it's up there
[08:30] <dabaSlon> zxc, what exactly does it look like?
[08:30] <Xanadu> tritium actually the nick comes from the poem, but it always makes people think of something else
[08:30] <dabaSlon> zxc, and what made it look like that?
[08:30] <foxiness> zxc, top than killall something
[08:30] <tritium> Xanadu, ah, okay - hope it doesn't bug you
[08:30] <dabaSlon> which, xanadu? there is a castle, isbnt there?
[08:30] <Xanadu> tritium nah not at all
[08:30] <woodman> trying to apt-get back to the failed libraries just erros on different ones
[08:30] <Xanadu> dabaSlon: Kubla Khan by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
[08:30] <foxiness> can any one point me how-to active this command on startup "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" , am try put it on /etc/hdparm.conf like this "command_line{hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd}" is there something im missed here ?
[08:31] <kevin06> I am trying to use ImgSeek, but when trying to launch it from terminal I get an error about ImgSeekLib: No Module named ImgSeekLib installed. Googling for it didn't do much, and there is nothing on ImgSeek's site about this.
[08:31] <tritium> http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Kubla_Khan.html
[08:31] <dabaSlon> wow. nice...havent heard anyone know anything about poetry since I moved to N.A.(dont tell me you dont know what that stands for...)
[08:31] <Xanadu> it was actually a real place
[08:31] <Xanadu> end of Marco Polo's journeys
[08:31] <zxc> dabaslon, it happens quite a lot. I right clicked on an icon, and it went all freezy and unresponsive. then it went pure white (my bg colour). Now it is completely unresponsive, gnome is fine just the desktop. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't fix it either it just changed it from white ---> Brown (the desktop colour)
[08:32] <Seveas> woodman, what happens of you try to install one of thse packages that say 'is not going to be installed'
[08:32] <Seveas> ?
[08:32] <dabaSlon> s, you can do otehr stuf, justs your desktop is frozen, hey?
[08:32] <Xanadu> dabaSlon what does NA stand for?
[08:32] <zxc> dabaslon, yes
[08:32] <dabaSlon> nortyh america.
[08:32] <dabaSlon> zxc thats weird.
[08:32] <Xanadu> aaah
[08:32] <dabaSlon> thats why I said, dont ask me that..
[08:32] <woodman> same kind of error only with a different library, i've gone 5-6 steps into this and they keep on coming
[08:32] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:33] <Xanadu> dabaSlon where did u move from?
[08:33] <zxc> dabaslon, happened more then once as well :/
[08:33] <woodman> i have my /etc/apt/souorces.list if it helps
[08:33] <dabaSlon> zxc, I had iother issues, not that one in particular.
[08:33] <dabaSlon> Croatia. In Europe, Ex Yugolsavia.
[08:33] <Q_Continuum> Mmmkay...booting in rescue mode (need to reinstall grub) I don't know which partition I should mount as the root file system.../dev/discs/disco/part{1,2,3,4}
[08:33] <zxc> guess restart is all i can do :/
[08:33] <Fator_Dee> zxc: your desktop is unresponsive?
[08:33] <Xanadu> aah a Croatian
[08:33] <zxc> Fator_Dee, yes
[08:33] <dabaSlon> zxc, have you logged out back in?
[08:33] <zxc> dabaslon, yes
[08:34] <Fator_Dee> zxc: execute nautilus
[08:34] <foxiness> zxc, i think this not like am understand on first , did change something on your home dir like .folder ?
[08:34] <dabaSlon> my cpu is at 100% for some reason, for a while now...
[08:34] <Seveas> woodman, it's odd since on here it installs without a charm, try aptitude -v install evolution-dev
[08:34] <Xanadu> well i'm not surprised that you hear less poetry in US than Yugoslavia dabaSlon
[08:34] <Fator_Dee> zxc: or look from system monitor if it's there and kill it!
[08:34] <zxc> Fator_Dee, using the run command in gnome nothing appears to happen
[08:34] <woodman> tried that already, same results
[08:34] <dabaSlon> yeah, and btw, the trash apple it taking 20% of it, constantly, I guess its time for me to log out back in as well.
[08:34] <Seveas> no more information about why it will not install?
[08:34] <Badness45> which dvd player us good
[08:34] <BrianB04> That solved it: DNS issue.
[08:34] <gazzie> i downloaded the ati fglrx control panel, how do i run it?
[08:35] <Badness45> is giood
[08:35] <zxc> Fator_Dee- System monitor? How do I get that?
[08:35] <dabaSlon> Xanadu: I am in canada. I guess I hang out with the wrong crowd..
[08:35] <Fator_Dee> zxc: a sec
[08:35] <gazzie> installed via synaptic
[08:35] <Badness45> mplayer doesn't work
[08:35] <dabaSlon> BrianB04: they know of a DNS issue?
[08:35] <Fator_Dee> zxc: system -> system monitor
[08:35] <Xanadu> dabaSlon I thought canadians were all intelligent - obviously good marketing
[08:35] <mainer> probly a cron job running,although most default run-times are like 3-4a.m.,local time
[08:35] <jeroen_> gazzie: fireglcontrol
[08:35] <darkaudit> Badness45: I use Xine... but you have to have libdvdcss installed
[08:35] <gazzie> badness try "totem dvd://" in terminal
[08:35] <BrianB04> dabaSlon, I just changed my DNS servers over to what I was using during all the DNS issues back in April, instant load...
[08:35] <Xanadu> Badness45 I use VLC
[08:35] <gazzie> thanks jeroen_
[08:36] <Badness45> where do i get the libdvdcss from
[08:36] <dabaSlon> hehe, cool, I wish I could explain how that can be completely unrelated to the COmcast server, but I dont have time,...
[08:36] <zxc> Fator_Dee- Not under System -> Monitor :/
[08:36] <dabaSlon> Good job.
[08:36] <Xanadu> Badness: apt-get install libdvdcss
[08:36] <Fator_Dee> zxc: umm, it *should* be there
[08:36] <dabaSlon> Xanadu: well, for one, you should see the misery the native/aboriginal ppl live in...
[08:36] <woodman> i'm stumped Seveas, getting a clean evolution install is the only thing holding me back from dumping winblows
[08:37] <Fator_Dee> zxc: well then, do a ps -A | grep nautilus
[08:37] <kestas> isnt aboriginal reserved for australian natives?
[08:37] <dabaSlon> then you should see my apartment..lol...and then you will know that there is a lot of vermin north of you,....
[08:37] <dabaSlon> vermin
[08:37] <mainer> or a rootkit,maybe:)
[08:37] <dabaSlon> kestas, google that.
[08:37] <Seveas> woodman evolution-dev is not needed to install evolution...
[08:37] <Xanadu> kestas no it's not
[08:37] <kestas> k
[08:37] <bluszcz> hello folks
[08:37] <zxc> perminder@ubuntu:~$ ps -A | grep nautilus
[08:37] <zxc>  8387 ?        00:00:17 nautilus
[08:37] <zxc> 14013 ?        00:00:00 nautilus
[08:37] <zxc> 14309 ?        00:00:00 nautilus
[08:37] <zxc> 14379 ?        00:00:00 nautilus
[08:37] <zxc> 14459 ?        00:00:00 nautilus
[08:37] <zxc> 14463 ?        00:00:00 nautilus
[08:37] <dabaSlon> Its like a race/
[08:37] <Badness45> in terminal it says don't n how to handle
[08:37] <Fator_Dee> zxc: no paste :-p
[08:37] <Xanadu> dabaSlon I'm not in the US (thank god)
[08:37] <Fator_Dee> zxc: kill those numbers
[08:38] <foxiness> can i highlight syntax on shall and how ?
[08:38] <jeroen_> hello bluszcz
[08:38] <dabaSlon> right, k, let me read some of these questions.
[08:38] <zxc> How?
[08:38] <Fator_Dee> zxc: kill "number"
[08:38] <Fator_Dee> zxc: you might have to use sudo
[08:38] <foxiness> sorry shell - shall
[08:38] <kestas> killall nautilus
[08:38] <kestas> geez
[08:38] <klaym> hello people! could someone list me some optional desktop environments for Ubuntu that would be very lightweight, and with a nice mouse-2nd-button-menu-navigation thing instead of two panels on the desktop, as there are in Gnome.
[08:38] <foxiness> zxc, killall nautilus
[08:38] <woodman> yup i know, i have it installed but am not able to use the global address list on e2k3 server. found this link https://mams.melcoe.mq.edu.au/zope/mams/pubs/Installation/evolution-exchange
[08:38] <jeroen_> klaym, XFCE
[08:39] <kestas> hahah XFCE is real lightweight
[08:39] <Seveas> klaym, XFCE, ICEwm, fluxbox
[08:39] <woodman> that seems like it makes sense, i'm using hoary and evo 2.2.1
[08:39] <foxiness> klaym, xfce4.2
[08:39] <dabaSlon> zxc, teh desktop is a little weird now...
[08:39] <foxiness> kestas, and nice
[08:39] <mainer> klaym: xfce 4.2.1-2 from http:os-cillation.de   not an ubuntu pkg(be warned),but the most current xfce release
[08:40] <Xanadu> dabaSlon why'd u move to somewhere so sucky?
[08:40] <Q_Continuum> yaaaay
[08:40] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, trekkie?
[08:40] <dabaSlon> mine, for example. every thing got deleted, and my trash bin is working 20% of a P4 2.2....so...
[08:40] <foxiness> im like the way xfce4.2 act like on firefox
[08:40] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[08:40] <zxc> I think it's all killed now, the -ps thingy shows nothing
[08:40] <klaym> ok I'll try XFCE, but I'll play it safe and download an ubuntu supported version from apt
[08:40] <dabaSlon> Xanadu: its pretty ok here, plus personal reasons, of ruin in a country like Croatia at this time.
[08:40] <tritium> Xanadu, not sure what you'd find so bad about living here.
[08:40] <Q_Continuum> the Netgear FA120 USB ethernet adaptor works out-of-the-box with Linux :-)
[08:40] <kestas> !!
[08:41] <karljp> gurhhh the apt-get update gui thing won't let me use it's scroll bars or let me resize it
[08:41] <Xanadu> tritium just going on dabaSlon's opinion - never been as far north in North America as Canada
[08:41] <Fator_Dee> zxc: restart nautilus now
[08:41] <foxiness> Q_Continuum, good to hear
[08:41] <kestas> killall -HUP nautilus
[08:41] <kestas> to restart it
[08:41] <Zambba_> I have a problem with scandinavian characters and ssh/irc.
[08:42] <Seveas> hmm, what would happen if you sent noautilus a SIGSEGV :)
[08:42] <zxc> Fator_Dee- Back to normal thanks ^^. So killall nautilus, restart nautilus everytime it happens?
[08:42] <Xanadu> tritium don't really have an opinion of it - but i do know i wouldn't like to live somewhere so cold
[08:42] <tritium> Xanadu, I mean the US specifically
[08:42] <Fator_Dee> zxc: yes
[08:42] <Q_Continuum> it's bad that i had to figure it out though, means the interal one doesn't work >.< (broken somehow..)
[08:42] <Xanadu> tritium oh i don't really like the States
[08:42] <crimsun> mainer: come again?
[08:42] <jeroen_> Zambba_, you might have more success in #ubuntu-langcode, where langcode is the 2 letter code for scandinavia
[08:42] <foxiness> Q_Continuum, is there like that pc-card "bluetooth" one work out of the box
[08:42] <dabaSlon> well, no its not very bad, but its like not something special, you know, a country...has resources, has work, low unemployment, and yet, over half the ppl live under the poverty line, but, yeah...
[08:42] <Q_Continuum> huh?
[08:42] <Xanadu> tritium I like New York and Seattle but you can keep the rest
[08:42] <Zambba_> jeroen_: Well #ubuntu-fi is dead ;)
[08:42] <Zambba_> almost
[08:42] <tritium> Xanadu, oh, that's too bad
[08:42] <jeroen_> Zambba_, ah, okay
[08:42] <Q_Continuum> I dunno.  I got nothin that's bluetooth.
 where do i get vlc from
[08:43] <Xanadu> Badness45 Synaptic
[08:43] <Zambba> I don't want to use UTF-8.
[08:43] <mainer> crimsun:??
[08:43] <pierro> what's the print network type to use for accessing to a Windows print ?
[08:43] <Amaranth> Badness45: apt-get install vlc
[08:43] <crimsun> mainer: what do you mean by not in Ubuntu?
[08:43] <Badness45> imma try it
[08:43] <Xanadu> tritium where do you live?
[08:43] <Seveas> pierro, SMB
[08:43] <foxiness> time to go c l8r
[08:43] <foxiness> thanks Q_Continuum
[08:43] <tritium> Xanadu, New Mexico
[08:44] <Badness45> i am in Newyork
[08:44] <tritium> Xanadu, temporarily in Indiana
[08:44] <mainer> i said the os-cillation release is most current,because of xfld-desktop,my opinion,if i'm wrong,i stand corrected,n.p.
[08:44] <Xanadu> tritium never been to either so i'll withhold judgement ;)
[08:44] <Xanadu> New York is a very kewl city
[08:44] <crimsun> mainer: the os-cillation release has several bugs that jani and I fixed in Ubuntu Hoary's Xfce packages.
[08:44] <Badness45> yup
[08:45] <Xanadu> but as any New Yorker will tell you, it's not part of the US - it's independent ;P
[08:45] <crimsun> mainer: 4.2.1.1+cvs
[08:45] <karljp> Zambba, you still having problems?
[08:45] <pierro> Seveas, why do i've to chose a driver for the print ? won't it use the windows driver ?
[08:45] <mainer> worked fine for me,but,i stand corrected,i didn't know,maybe you should post it in the topic:)
[08:45] <dabaSlon> well, you can only asy about N.A. that it is a place where everyone is looking omnly after themselves, and that some ppl ill be like, Yeah, its great, and feredom, blah blah, since they have money, but, another half of the ppltion, is under the poverty line, trailer parks, and so on.
[08:45] <karljp> you probably just want to change the settings for your irc client
[08:45] <kestas> sorry pierro you still have to use the driver
[08:45] <Zambba> karljp: Not anymore, I changed Konsole's settings.
[08:45] <Seveas> pierro, not really
[08:45] <kestas> let me save you some time pierro : its not gonna work
[08:45] <crimsun> mainer: it's fairly well-known; the packages are in universe. (xfce4)
[08:45] <Q_Continuum> What's the easiest way to install the OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta?  Do I need to compile from source, or is it in one of the repositories?
[08:45] <karljp> ok, if you've got it how you want it cool
[08:45] <karljp> (but use UTF8!)
[08:46] <Seveas> neither do the windows machines that print via smb pierro, all pc's must have the driver installed
[08:46] <Badness45> they have a new hoary out right i installed it and my graphic card didn't agree with it so i have warty
[08:46] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, it's in universe
[08:46] <Q_Continuum> thanks.
[08:46] <pierro> do the windows machin have smb installed ?
[08:46] <crimsun> Q_Continuum: actually it's in main
[08:46] <kestas> nope
[08:46] <dabaSlon> Q_Continuum: did you hear they started using Java now, which makes it somewhat unsuitable for OSS>
[08:46] <ggeller> My Ubuntu 5.04 install is failing.  It goes through reformatting the hard drive, etc. then hangs when it gets to a screen that says "Installing the Ubuntu base system 6% Retrieving bsdutils..."
[08:46] <Badness45> can i use the live cd to see if it works now
[08:46] <kestas> you have to install it
[08:46] <mainer> i don't trust universe since the 2.6.11.6(?) kernel fiasco,just me
[08:46] <Xanadu> Badness45 which card?
[08:46] <Badness45> nvida
[08:46] <Badness45> laptop
[08:46] <Q_Continuum> They've been using Java forever..
[08:46] <crimsun> mainer: what fiasco?
[08:46] <Badness45> and my wireless too
[08:46] <karljp> badness: I couldn't get my wireless to work on the livecd
[08:47] <karljp> you were on a live cd?
[08:47] <kevin06> Anyone know how to fix the error ImgSeekLib :No module called ImgSeekLib installed? How do I install it?
[08:47] <Xanadu> Badness45 dump the repository drivers and install from source
[08:47] <karljp> ndis just outright failed and often hung on the livecd
[08:47] <mainer> i used tthem and they locked up all the time,it's a known bug according to ubuntu
[08:47] <Badness45> nh
[08:47] <Badness45> nah
[08:47] <Badness45> i have warty
[08:47] <Seveas> crimsun, the 2.0 beta isn't :)
[08:47] <JairunCaloth> will rar make .zip files?
[08:47] <mainer> on some h/w anyway
[08:47] <LarstiQ> ggeller: I had that too with a incomplete iso, running md5sum revealed the checksum not matching up
[08:47] <Xanadu> Badness45 warty aint bad either ;)
[08:47] <Q_Continuum> with regards to the OoO.org controversy - people are complaining because it currently needs sun's java because the OSS versions of Java aren't current enough.
[08:47] <crimsun> mainer: that was not a 2.6.11 kernel, it's an _unsupported_ bk snapshot
[08:47] <mainer> right
[08:48] <Badness45> i was just saying if i used the hoary live to see if they fix the video card and wireless in that OS
[08:48] <ggeller> LarstiQ:  Good idea.  I'll check the md5 sum.
[08:48] <dabaSlon> Q_Continuum: so you ex[pect it to be something that will be worked out in the near future?
[08:48] <crimsun> mainer: just as there's an supported 2.6.12 bk snapshot now in Breezy universe
[08:48] <pierro> what's the syntax for 'host' while configurint a smb windows print ? {windows machin name} ?
[08:48] <dabaSlon> I mean, is it expected...
[08:48] <crimsun> an unsupported ^
[08:48] <mainer> its universe,universe ias all un-supported,correct?
[08:48] <dabaSlon> not you...
[08:48] <Xanadu> Badness45 I'm waiting patiently for them to support my ide raid
[08:48] <crimsun> mainer: correct
[08:48] <Q_Continuum> it's a matter of the OSS java implementations to have all the stuff implemented - which is what RMS said - people claim he was saying otherwise.
[08:48] <kestas> pierro, let me know when you give up
[08:48] <Seveas> pierro, depends on where you configure it, via the gui it's just the hostname or ip address
[08:49] <Q_Continuum> Some people are blowing it out of proportion.
[08:49] <pierro> i'm using the gui
[08:49] <Q_Continuum> It's easier for the devs for OoO.org/Staroffice to use Java then write their own API, and since Java basically runs on anything, it just works.  *shrugs*
[08:49] <dabaSlon> Q_Continuum: well, glad that is not a real issue, end...
[08:49] <mainer> crimsun:cool,didn't know about the breezy kernel,thanks
[08:49] <crimsun> Seveas: OO.o2 isn't what?
[08:49] <Q_Continuum> I don't see a problem running Java...
[08:49] <dabaSlon> not that I use OOo that much, though, especially on Linux...
[08:49] <Seveas> crimsun, it's not in main
[08:49] <Q_Continuum> what do you use dabaSlon?
[08:50] <Badness45> later guys i have to go to work
[08:50] <Xanadu> later Badness45
[08:50] <crimsun> Seveas: check apt-cache policy openoffice.org2
[08:50] <sig> me too
[08:50] <dabaSlon> Q_Continuum: gedit, vi:( I dont really prepare texts as such...
[08:50] <Xanadu> i gotta go watch TV
[08:50] <sig> I hate work and I hate swing shift
[08:50] <Seveas> crimsun, it says hoary/universe :)
[08:50] <dabaSlon> then for .docs, i use abiword, much faster load.
[08:50] <Q_Continuum> Oh, wait...I already installed it (DOH)
[08:50] <Xanadu> dabaSlon you should move to SA - half of Yugoslavia's here already
[08:50] <LarstiQ> Q_Continuum: Java however, does not run on basically anything
[08:50] <kestas> abiword makes crappy .doc
[08:51] <crimsun> Seveas: ah, hoary.
[08:51] <dabaSlon> Xanadu: hehe
[08:51] <crimsun>  breezy/main Packages
[08:51] <sig> kestas: lol, your so negative
[08:51] <Q_Continuum> ew...they need to update the version of OoO.org 2.0 that's on here...ewwwwwwwwww
[08:51] <Seveas> yeah, no sane persons use breezy now ;)
[08:51] <Xanadu> cheers all!
[08:51] <Q_Continuum> the .79 version...it's up to .100 now
[08:51] <dabaSlon> kestas: may well be, not sure, as I sadi, I dont erally prepare texts for ppl to see them,..
[08:51] <crimsun> Seveas: course not :)
[08:51] <Q_Continuum> this is ancient...
[08:51] <sig> .doc is MSword anyways
[08:51] <dabaSlon> nor spreadsheets, drawings, or such common office suite things...
[08:51] <zxc> Fator_Dee, I found out what triggers it, if I right click on an icon then go to properties nautilus crashes
[08:52] <Fator_Dee> zxc: yah, nautilus is kind of buggy
[08:52] <kestas> yeah but does word use .swg or .abi
[08:52] <dabaSlon> right...sig...
[08:52] <Amaranth> Q_Continuum: In hoary it'll never be updated, in breezy they'll probably wait for 2.0 final.
[08:52] <sig> kestas: who cares
[08:52] <sig> I don't use MS
[08:52] <Q_Continuum> *cries* the beta keeps having things fixed every two weeks...
[08:52] <dabaSlon> right, anyhow, a professor would likely care.
[08:52] <dabaSlon> tell  us more, crimsun:)
[08:52] <dabaSlon> jj
[08:53] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, they'd better do it right and simply fix all before releasing the next beta :)
[08:53] <Q_Continuum> every two weeks they roll out a new beta of OoO.org 2.0, and this is like a 2-3 month old version
[08:53] <pierro> hm, i'm trying to print something, i see 'job-printing' when clicking on the print icon in top-right, but nothing happens, for 3 minutes
[08:53] <kestas> I want to see an OpenAccess
[08:53] <karljp> it's hoary, no optional software updates
[08:53] <kestas> that would truly impress me
[08:53] <sig> kestas: there is one
[08:53] <sig> an excellent one by OpenOffice
[08:53] <mello> could someone help me uninstall LimeWire?
[08:54] <sig> works awesome
[08:54] <tritium> kestas, check out OpenOffice 2.0 betas, then
[08:54] <Seveas> kestas, there wil be OOo base, no idea on how good it is :)
[08:54] <sig> it is good
[08:54] <dabaSlon> mello: I could likely..
[08:54] <sig> I use the same stuff at work with both
[08:54] <mello> sweet
[08:54] <Seveas> so it can handle .mdb files?
[08:54] <dabaSlon> did you download it, and did you perhaps follow the ubuntuguide?
[08:54] <kestas> hmm well wait and see if its any good
[08:54] <chaoticoz> hey guys.. can anyone help me starting ssh?
[08:54] <goldfish> chaoticoz: what's up?
[08:54] <kestas> fuck off everyone with all the CTCP VERSIONs already
[08:54] <Seveas> chaoticoz, type 'ssh' in a terminal :)
[08:55] <kestas> jeez
[08:55] <tritium> kestas, please tone down the language
[08:55] <sig> ssh name@ipaddress
[08:55] <dabaSlon> what is ctcp?
[08:55] <Seveas> kestas, just as people can ignore you, you can ignore the CTCP;s
[08:55] <kestas> kk
[08:55] <dabaSlon> and, why does it make you mad...
[08:55] <Q_Continuum> kestas: the OoO.org 2.0 betas are quite good already :-)
[08:55] <kestas> hahah everyone is CTCP VERSIONing me you tools
[08:55] <kestas> hmm Ill try them out some time
[08:55] <goldfish> :)
[08:56] <tritium> kestas, and also don't be calling people names...come on, man
[08:56] <kestas> okay okay
[08:56] <Q_Continuum> *jumps on the bandwagon*
[08:56] <dabaSlon> be humanity to others, kestas:-p
[08:57] <kestas> right 'linux for humans'
[08:57] <kestas> as opposed to what?
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> kestas: how does it harm you? you fear that they are going ho h4x0r your butt :-p
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> *to
[08:57] <sig> kestas: dude why are you being an idiot?
[08:57] <mirak> kestas: opposed to unsuable operating system
[08:57] <mirak> read debian ^^
[08:57] <kestas> who other than humans would use linux?
[08:57] <Seveas> sig, language please...
[08:57] <dabaSlon> ok, ok, but who was the wise guy??
[08:57] <Fator_Dee> penguins of course
[08:57] <dabaSlon> :)
[08:57] <mainer> like you and xanadau dissing theu.s.,there poverty everywhere,dude,try africa,croatia for a start,lol
[08:58] <Badness45> ok quick question the vlc plays good but with  no sound
[08:58] <dabaSlon> Fator_Dee: :)
[08:58] <ThePunisher> hi
[08:58] <mirak> I was jogging around paris
[08:58] <dabaSlon> badness does it freeze, do other programs produce sound?
[08:58] <Badness45> no
[08:58] <Badness45> yeah
[08:58] <dabaSlon> yo punisher.
[08:58] <Badness45> the xine
[08:58] <sig> mplayer
[08:58] <Badness45> but the xine doesn't play as smooth as vlc
[08:59] <mirak> there is guys living under a bridge in caravans and wood house. There is rats near them. And last but not least, a train is crossing the bridge
[08:59] <mirak> they live in hell
[08:59] <Seveas> Badness45, is vlc's output set to esd?
[08:59] <Q_Continuum> is there any performance benefits seen from switching from linux-image-i386 and linux-image-2.6.10-5-i386 to their K7 counterparts? (AMD Athlon XP)
[08:59] <sig> mirak: sucks to be in paris
[08:59] <dabaSlon> mirak: I feel that, same everywhere...
[08:59] <sig> no such things as bums in Idaho
[08:59] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, yes there is
[08:59] <sig> they would die
[08:59] <mirak> sig: people sucks in paris
[08:59] <Badness45> how could i tell
[08:59] <Gnimsh> hello
[08:59] <dabaSlon> except in like, east timor or somewhere before the war...man, teh world sucks...a little.
[09:00] <sig> too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer
[09:00] <Q_Continuum> and how do I switch to it, just install those new packages, and select them on bootup?
[09:00] <sig> dabaSlon: I was in East-Timor
[09:00] <dataw0lf|w> correct.
[09:00] <mirak> sig: I am not from orinating from paris, and I am here for studies, and I am not sure I will stay here
[09:00] <jeroen_> good luck, Gnimsh
[09:00] <sig> Operation Stabalize
[09:00] <Gnimsh> thanks
[09:00] <sig> then became Operation Warden
[09:00] <chaoticoz> hey guys.. how can i install an mp3 codec for the ubuntu Music Player?
[09:00] <dabaSlon> big city,
[09:00] <Q_Continuum> dataw0lf, you talking to me? lol
[09:00] <kestas> save yourself some time and dont bother Gnimsh
[09:00] <dataw0lf|w> Q_Continuum: yes.
[09:00] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay..
[09:01] <dabaSlon> kestas?
[09:01] <ggeller> LarstiQ:  This iso was OK, but something went wrong when I burned the CD.  I mounted the iso and did diff -r -q between the iso and the CD and found the problem.  Now burning a new CD.
[09:01] <jeroen_> chaoticoz, check the wiki on "restricted"
[09:01] <Q_Continuum> do I need both the linux-image-K7 and the linux-image-2.6.10-5-K7 packages?
[09:01] <chaoticoz> the wiki?
[09:01] <Gnimsh> kestas?
[09:01] <chaoticoz> whats the wiki? :x
[09:01] <Gnimsh> why is that?
[09:01] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, try linux-k7
[09:01] <Q_Continuum> that's what I"m doing.
[09:01] <sig> Gnimsh: he has some social problems
[09:01] <tritium> Gnimsh, he's just trolling...ignore him
[09:01] <kestas> linux-image-k7 is dependent on the current linux-image-k7 version
[09:01] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage has a search
[09:01] <Seveas> it will install the kernel and the restricted modules
[09:01] <sig> tritium: boot him
[09:01] <kestas> its just for convenience
[09:01] <sig> why allow this crap in here
[09:01] <Badness45> no way to fix the sound in vlc?] 
[09:02] <JairunCaloth> chaoticoz: this website is awsome http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:02] <dabaSlon> and, when you search, search for restrictedformats one word.
[09:02] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, the others lixe linux-image-k7 are dummy packages needed for smooth upgrades
[09:02] <Gnimsh> kk
[09:02] <sig> when Ops don't boot these people it ruins channels fast
[09:02] <tritium> sig, I don't think that would be appropriate right now
[09:02] <sig> tritium: of course it would
[09:02] <sig> he's been here all day doing this
[09:02] <Seveas> Q_Continuum, so if you install linux-k7, it'll seem to install a lot, but actually it doesn't :)
[09:02] <dabaSlon> just let him be...
[09:02] <tritium> sig, ignore him
[09:02] <Seveas> just the needed things
[09:02] <Q_Continuum> it's only like 47MB for the whole thing (added one other tiny package)
[09:02] <dabaSlon> who cares, Ubuntu to him as well.
[09:02] <Q_Continuum> lol
[09:03] <Q_Continuum> "Ubuntu to him as well." heh
[09:03] <dabaSlon> Ubuntu for all...!!
[09:03] <mirak> I am surprised there is not more people shooting the others in paris
[09:03] <HappyFool> is there anything wrong with the package repository?
[09:03] <Gnimsh> next question.  I get to the part about setting users and passwords, and what I type for the pass does not show up on the sc reen, but it does go through the process when I hit enter.  Does the installer not echo the password for security?
[09:03] <kestas> is there really any performance gain in switching to a different kernel though?
[09:03] <foxiness> how can i change the label of fat32 ?
[09:03] <Q_Continuum> UBUNTU FOR EVERYONE!
[09:03] <mirak> maybe the difference is that weapons are not legal
[09:03] <HappyFool> i'm getting warnings/errors about missing files
[09:03] <Q_Continuum> Everyone enjoy your Ubuntu today!  and everyday!
[09:03] <Gnimsh> lol
[09:03] <sig> mirak: they are here
[09:03] <kestas> ubuntu for masochists
[09:03] <gazzie> i can't get flash in firefox working (amd64)
[09:03] <gazzie> help
[09:03] <dabaSlon> mirak: that is unfortunately something particular to the states, as Moore was trying to find out...
[09:03] <gazzie> :P
[09:03] <Seveas> Gnimsh, it;s a security measure indeed
[09:03] <Q_Continuum> gazzie: there is no flash player for amd64
[09:03] <Gnimsh> cool
[09:04] <mirak> dabaSlon: ys but it's unhuman
[09:04] <sig> they should give out guns in Paris
[09:04] <sig> :)
[09:04] <dabaSlon> mubuntu for kestas
[09:04] <Q_Continuum> there's a gpl'd player supposedly...but I gave up on compiling it.
[09:04] <gazzie> ...
[09:04] <darkaudit> ok... I'm trying to get my apt preferences to ignore backports ver of Firefox, but *just* firefox... I haven't quite got that working...
[09:04] <kestas> Q_Continuum, there is a flash player for amd64
[09:04] <kestas> its just not on linux
[09:04] <Q_Continuum> there is?!?!?!?
[09:04] <mirak> you can take the metro or rer train 2 hours a day and meet ABSOLUTELY NOBODY
[09:04] <Q_Continuum> awwww
[09:04] <Q_Continuum> don't get my hopes up like that man
[09:04] <gazzie> so i have to put up with firefox crashing whenever i get to a flash page?
[09:04] <jeroen_> Q_Continuum, gplflash is in universe
[09:04] <gazzie> what the fuck :(
[09:04] <mirak> nobody will ever talk to you in the metro
[09:04] <dabaSlon> Q_Continuum: lol...
[09:04] <kestas> gplflash!! lmao
[09:04] <Q_Continuum> your best bet would be to install a 32-bit chroot and install a 32-bit version of firefox.
[09:05] <sig> tritium: fantastic responses he's giving newbies
[09:05] <sig> just great
[09:05] <gazzie> nothing called cplflash in my synaptic
[09:05] <Q_Continuum> I tried installing GPL flash..do you realize how much crap you have to compile to install that darned thing?
[09:05] <kestas> last time I tried gplflash it managed to display a piece of text moving across the screen and thats about it
[09:05] <jeroen_> kestas, gplfalsh rules
[09:05] <Q_Continuum> yeah gazzie it's not on the 64-bit native yet either
[09:05] <gazzie> gpl even
[09:05] <gazzie> lajsd'lkjsad
[09:05] <Q_Continuum> I had to compile it myself
[09:05] <Gnimsh> the last time I put in the password though, it didn't work when I went to log in
[09:05] <kestas> that was a while ago though
[09:05] <dabaSlon> mirak, its a cultural shock, the ppl were conditioned not to by long years of ex[perience, I suggest that when uin Rome, do as Romans do...
[09:05] <jeroen_> Q_Continuum, it's in universe; no compile
[09:05] <Q_Continuum> I stopped about 1/2 way through after beating my head on it for several hours
[09:05] <mirak> flash gpl or not sucks. it's just a cpu hog
[09:05] <Q_Continuum> on amd64?
[09:05] <Gnimsh> I'm reinstalling
[09:05] <dabaSlon> Those are big, heartless cities, man, dont get caught up.
[09:06] <gazzie> not on amd64 it's not
[09:06] <mirak> dabaSlon: what do they do ?
[09:06] <Q_Continuum> not that I recall seeing
[09:06] <kestas> yeah but how can you play bash the penguin onto mines and spikes flash game without flash?
[09:06] <Q_Continuum> jeroen_, it's NOT in universe for the amd64 arch
[09:06] <dabaSlon> which part?
[09:06] <gazzie> root@pogo:~ # apt-cache search gplflash
[09:06] <gazzie> root@pogo:~ #
[09:06] <Q_Continuum> for i386 it is in universe
[09:06] <gazzie> :|
[09:06] <jeroen_> Q_Continuum, ahh..
[09:06] <mirak> people are just pussies. they are fucking scared
[09:06] <dabaSlon> th eiobg city reference is taht you can end up in the river in no time...
[09:06] <LarstiQ> mirak: in paris?
[09:06] <mirak> they prefer watch TV and see shit life of the others in reality shows
[09:06] <mirak> lol
[09:06] <mirak> am I angry ?
[09:06] <kestas> youre so enlightened mirak
[09:06] <mirak> :)
[09:06] <Q_Continuum> amd64 gets the shaft in a bunch of areas I'm finding
[09:06] <mirak> :D
[09:07] <Q_Continuum> macromedia doesn't care about us
[09:07] <gazzie> uhuh
[09:07] <gazzie> i'm close to going back to windows
[09:07] <Q_Continuum> noooo
[09:07] <goldfish> nooooo
[09:07] <Q_Continuum> just goto i386
[09:07] <kestas> go with that instict dude
[09:07] <Q_Continuum> if you have to
[09:07] <dabaSlon> amd64, pc, and all non mainstream technologies do get shaffted somewhat...
[09:07] <goldfish> windows 3.1 !!!!
[09:07] <klaus^^^> hello
[09:07] <klaus^^^> need help
[09:07] <_hp_> how do i get my terminal to be transparent?
[09:07] <goldfish> hi klaus^^^
[09:07] <kestas> youre doing yourself a favour
[09:07] <klaus^^^> how to setup an ftp server
[09:07] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:07] <kestas> xcompmgr
[09:07] <kestas> _hp_
[09:07] <mirak> gazzie: sometimes you need to take a break
[09:07] <ompaul> gazzie, you are going to hand back your freedom
[09:07] <klaus^^^> hi goldfish
[09:07] <goldfish> _hp_: u got an nvidia card?
[09:07] <dabaSlon> _hp_: in the preferences under edit.
[09:08] <gazzie> i just like it when stuff works first time...
[09:08] <goldfish> klaus^^^: ubuntuguide.org i think tells you
[09:08] <klaus^^^> how to setup an ftp server
[09:08] <darkaudit> 'course I *was* wearing an Arsenal jersey :)
[09:08] <HappyFool> where are the MD5 sums that apt uses to check Package.gz files?
[09:08] <Q_Continuum> just install i386 if you have to Gazzie...it'll give you Ubuntu anyway, and it works quite well.
[09:08] <klaus^^^> no ftp guide
[09:08] <klaus^^^> just apache
[09:08] <kestas> dabaSlon, that kind of transparancy blows
[09:08] <dabaSlon> gazzie: yeah, choose flash over a server....
[09:08] <goldfish> ah right :/
[09:08] <kestas> you just see the desktop, you dont see the window behind
[09:08] <dabaSlon> depends on what you do with your compuetr..
[09:08] <gazzie> not just flash
[09:08] <strikermicetto> rver irc.tin.it
[09:08] <jeroen_> Q_Continuum, I use i386 on my AMD64
[09:08] <kestas> I hit old ladies with it
[09:08] <klaus^^^> ftp server help pls
[09:08] <goofrider> why would going back to windows help?
[09:08] <Seveas> klaus^^^, apt-get install vsftpd
[09:08] <dabaSlon> kestas: that is the only one..in gnome...
[09:08] <kestas> because its easier
[09:08] <Q_Continuum> jeroen_, thats why you've got gplflash :-)
[09:08] <Seveas> klaus^^^, and read its manual
[09:09] <goofrider> Windows doesn't have an AMD64 flash plugin wither
[09:09] <jeroen_> Q_Continuum, yes
[09:09] <klaus^^^> k
[09:09] <gazzie> would going to i386 mean reinstalling entire ubuntu?
[09:09] <gazzie> losing settings etc?
[09:09] <Q_Continuum> yeah
[09:09] <kestas> dabaSlon, I dont know what youre on about
[09:09] <Jalla^> my NTFS-partition is occupying my entire 160GB hdd. any suggestion for how to squeeze in ubuntu?
[09:09] <goofrider> s/wither/either/
[09:09] <gazzie> i have a windows xp install on this machine and flash works fine on it goofrider
[09:09] <Q_Continuum> but it's better than windows :-) people might be able to help you save your settings etc
[09:09] <dabaSlon> kestas: dabaSlon, that kind of transparancy blows dabaSlon: kestas: that is the only one..in gnome...
[09:09] <Seveas> gazzie, you can backup your homedir though, to restore your settings...
[09:09] <kestas> you can use all ubuntu apps in windows Jalla^
[09:09] <goofrider> gazzie, Flah works fine on me too (i386)
[09:09] <kestas> yeah but you can use transset
[09:09] <kestas> to get real transparency
[09:10] <kestas> if youve got an nvidia card
[09:10] <goldfish> kestas: xcompmgr and transset
[09:10] <goofrider> gazzie, have u tried the flash-nonfree package in multiverse?
[09:10] <goldfish> shite
[09:10] <LarstiQ> kestas: not just nvidia
[09:10] <goldfish> kestas: sorry :)
[09:10] <kestas> and its real so you can see whats behind the window
[09:10] <kestas> LarstiQ, yeah but if it aint nvidia its gonna be slow
[09:10] <gazzie> there is no flash package for amd64 that i can see in multiverse
[09:10] <kestas> ati linux support blows
[09:10] <kestas> and who can blame them?
[09:10] <LarstiQ> kestas: not in my experience
[09:10] <ompaul> kestas, in my over ten years of using the internet I have only done /ignore to two people you are such a candidate bet that makes you proud
[09:10] <HappyFool> i'm having a problem with apt-get. can anyone help?
[09:10] <gazzie> i have ati and amd64, great combination...
 you can use all ubuntu apps in windows <- what does that mean?
[09:10] <klaus^^^> where
[09:11] <klaus^^^> can ai find the ftp server manual
[09:11] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:11] <Seveas> Jalla^, it means kestas was being a troll
[09:11] <Seveas> klaus^^^, look in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd
[09:11] <klaus^^^> k
[09:11] <Jalla^> crazt krestas
[09:11] <jeroen_> Jalla^, he's just saying bullshit
[09:11] <_hp_> hm... i installed eterm through synaptic and it's not showing up in the applications menu
[09:11] <goofrider> gazzie, but like I said, there probly isn't a flash plugin for XP64 either
[09:11] <dabaSlon> HappyFool: go ahead and ask the question...describe it, and give us links to pastebins where we can see exact errors.
[09:11] <Jalla^> well how do i squeeze in ubuntu?
[09:11] <goofrider> if u can get XP64
[09:11] <goofrider> LOL
[09:11] <jeroen_> _hp_, use smeg or menu-editor
[09:11] <Jalla^> i gott 100% ntfs
[09:11] <Seveas> _hp_, that means it did not define a .desktop file :)
[09:11] <HappyFool> dabaSlon: fair enough
[09:12] <dabaSlon> thanks, I really aim at fairness, so Iappreciate taht:)
[09:12] <jeroen_> Jalla^, QtParted, Gparted, Partition Magic, these kind of apps
[09:12] <gazzie> what about java? does that work on amd64?
[09:12] <gazzie> i installed it according to ubuntuguide.org
[09:12] <goofrider> klaus^^^, try the dhelp or dwww package. Gr8 for looking for doco on your HD  :)
[09:12] <dabaSlon> um...
[09:12] <gazzie> and it doesn't work
[09:12] <gazzie> :P
[09:12] <dabaSlon> :)
[09:12] <Jalla^> jeroen_: ain't resizing my partition kinda critical?
[09:12] <Seveas> gazzie, did you download a 64-bit version of java?
[09:13] <dabaSlon> gazzie, did you get a file taht says linux amd64 java?
[09:13] <jeroen_> Jalla^, yep. It's dangerous
[09:13] <ghais> hello guys how can i reduce the font size in the tty
[09:13] <Seveas> and also: ubuntuguid is wrong wrt java!
[09:13] <gazzie> shrug
[09:13] <gazzie> :P
[09:13] <dabaSlon> or, as well, IBM has a java that is 64 bit...is tagt a PPC n the end, the 64 processor?
[09:13] <Seveas> PPC64 != AMD :)
[09:13] <Seveas> it's mac
[09:13] <LarstiQ> dabaSlon: ppc64 is 64 bit, but not x86 :)
[09:13] <dabaSlon> ghais: preferences...
[09:13] <_hp_> Seveas, how do i tell it to define a .desktop file?
[09:13] <jeroen_> Seveas, not only mac
[09:14] <LarstiQ> Seveas: bigger iron I'd say
[09:14] <nanot3ch> How can I edit the meta data / tag data of an MP3 file in Rythmbox? When I hit edit and I want to change something, it doesnt let me...My music stuff is in my home directory, and I'm running rythmbox as a user as well....
[09:14] <Seveas> _hp_, use smeg, see the forums about the menu editor
[09:14] <dabaSlon> amd64 is a aPPC?
[09:14] <ghais> dabaSlon: what do you mean preferences, i don't have a gdm
[09:14] <LarstiQ> dabaSlon: no
[09:14] <dabaSlon> well there must be a blackdown, or ibm java for amds...
[09:14] <Seveas> PPC means powerpc, the processors that apple uses in their macs
[09:15] <dabaSlon> yeah...duh, I know that. I am asking if the amd 64 is as well a ppc.
[09:15] <LarstiQ> Seveas: and embedded ppcs, and ibm rs/6000, etc
[09:15] <Seveas> LarstiQ, true
[09:15] <dabaSlon> ghais: where are you trying to change this?
[09:15] <Seveas> dabaSlon, no amd64 is something completely different
[09:15] <dabaSlon> which terminal, wihch wm, which tty
[09:15] <LarstiQ> dabaSlon: no, amd64 is x86 derived
[09:15] <Gnimsh> ok I have logged into Ubuntu
[09:15] <ghais> dabaSlon: i only have a terminal <bash> no graphical interface
[09:15] <HappyFool> ok, my apt-get problem is summarized here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5KerMG38.html
[09:16] <Gnimsh> I'm trying to access the synaptic package monitor, but it asks for a password
[09:16] <Gnimsh> My pass does not work in it
[09:16] <dabaSlon> thanks...anyhow, gazzie, likely there is a java, look at IBMs site, and try to see at the wiki for restrictedformats that may tell you a link right away
[09:16] <Seveas> Gnimsh, the password you use to login?
[09:16] <Gnimsh> yes i tried that
[09:16] <Seveas> HappyFool, this happens sometimes, usually it resolves after a few hours
[09:16] <HappyFool> Seveas: ok, thanks
[09:17] <Seveas> Gnimsh, are you logged in as the user you created during the install?
[09:17] <Gnimsh> yes
[09:17] <dabaSlon> HappyFool: add your sources list to the summary...
[09:17] <Seveas> hmm, what does sudo apt-get update say?
[09:17] <Gnimsh> the what?
[09:17] <Seveas> dabaSlon, you can read it from the error
[09:17] <Gnimsh> First time using linux, sorry
[09:17] <dabaSlon> HappyFool: not that it looks like anything I would know about...
[09:18] <dabaSlon> Seveas: yeah...:(
[09:18] <dabaSlon> I am a newbie...
[09:18] <Seveas> Gnimsh, in a terminal you type: sudo apt-get update
[09:18] <ggibeau> anyone know if afs or arla will work on a amd64 system?
[09:18] <Seveas> (and hit enter)
[09:18] <Jalla^> any suggestions for a good win32 program that can resize my partition?
[09:18] <Seveas> dabaSlon, we all were newbies once :)
[09:18] <Gnimsh> I get an error msg that says "failed to run users-admin child terminated w/ 1 status
[09:18] <dabaSlon> rigght, I dont feel bad about it or anything...
[09:18] <HappyFool> dabaSlon: I assume Seveas is correct; presumably the repository is being updated (?)
[09:18] <Seveas> Jalla^, Partition Magic is the best. But it's expensive
[09:18] <darkaudit> Jalla^: Partition Magic
[09:19] <Jalla^> hmmj
[09:19] <dabaSlon> or you can steal it...
[09:19] <dabaSlon> :-[
[09:19] <Seveas> dabaSlon, yeah, but we don't encourage that in here :)
[09:19] <Jalla^> i could :>
[09:19] <dabaSlon> ...but dont do that, that would suck...
[09:19] <dabaSlon> and so on/..
[09:19] <Seveas> ;)
[09:19] <Jalla^> who knows, maybe i already did
[09:20] <klaus^^^> where is the conf file of that ftp server
[09:20] <klaus^^^> cant find it
[09:20] <dabaSlon> your ISP knows, likely.,..:)
[09:20] <darkaudit> geez... clock keeps running fast... how often is it supposed to synchronize with the NTP servers if you have that option checked?
[09:20] <gazzie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33869 <-- any thoughts on this
[09:20] <Seveas> klaus^^^, should be in /etc/vsftpd or something
[09:20] <Gnimsh> Seveas, I'm running apt get now
[09:20] <Gnimsh> I think
[09:20] <klaus^^^> k
[09:20] <Seveas> darkaudit, daily i believe
[09:20] <nanot3ch> Anyone know why I can't edit MP3 file info in Rythmbox?...(It works in XMMS...)
[09:21] <Gnimsh> Seveas I went to applications, run application
[09:21] <Gnimsh> is that the correct place to run it from?
[09:21] <jeroen_> Gnimsh, just run synaptic
[09:21] <Seveas> Gnimsh, not really
[09:21] <jeroen_> System -> Administration -> synaptic
[09:21] <HappyFool> i thought his synaptic broke
[09:21] <Seveas> jeroen_, that was giving problems, i'm debuggingg :)
[09:21] <jeroen_> It's a graphical utitility for apt-get
[09:21] <jeroen_> Seveas, ah, okay ;)
[09:21] <jdub> um
[09:21] <darkaudit> hail the jdub
[09:22] <Seveas> Gnimsh, try applications -> system tools -> root terminal and use your password
[09:22] <Gnimsh> ok
[09:22] <Seveas> Gnimsh, see whether that works
[09:22] <klaus^^^> is nnot in etc
[09:22] <klaus^^^> where is it
[09:22] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:22] <Gnimsh> nothig
[09:22] <Gnimsh> +n
[09:22] <Seveas> klaus^^^, try dpkg -L vsftpd, that will show all files it installed. Look for the configfile...
[09:23] <Seveas> Gnimsh, it won't take your password?
[09:23] <Gnimsh> no
[09:23] <Seveas> but you can login with it?
[09:23] <guptan> any one managed to get smartlink modem working in hoary?
[09:23] <Gnimsh> yes
[09:23] <Seveas> Gnimsh, how long is this password?
[09:24] <Gnimsh> 7 characters
[09:24] <Seveas> should be enough too
[09:24] <keffo> hm
[09:24] <dabaSlon> what is teh first, third, fifth, and seventh?
[09:24] <keffo> how do i install new splash screens? done it once.. dun remember
[09:24] <Gnimsh> dabaSlon:  are you serious?  lol
[09:24] <Gnimsh> its alphanumerica, if that makes a difference
[09:25] <Seveas> tritium, thanks :)
[09:25] <tritium> ;)
[09:25] <HappyFool> you're sure you're not typing it in wrong?
[09:25] <dabaSlon> Failed to run gdmsetup:
[09:25] <dabaSlon>  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[09:25] <dabaSlon> is that it, gnimsh?
[09:25] <keffo> oi?
[09:25] <Seveas> any idea on this tritium, password works for logging in but not for sudo. UID 1000
[09:25] <dabaSlon> keffo...just do it..
[09:26] <Gnimsh> nope, dabaSlon
[09:26] <dabaSlon> If not, art.gnome.org may have the faqs on it.
[09:26] <tritium> Seveas, hrm, let me read scrollback
[09:26] <Seveas> Gnimsh, go to applications -> system tools -> terminal
[09:26] <Seveas> and in the window that opens you type: cat /etc/passwd | grep YOUR_USERNAME
[09:27] <Seveas> replace YOUR_USERNAME with your actual username on that machine
[09:27] <HappyFool> how about trying sudo in the terminal -- maybe the problem is with gnome-sudo ?
[09:27] <Seveas> HappyFool, that'll be step 2
[09:27] <keffo> hm
[09:27] <HappyFool> and you might get some useful error message
[09:27] <keffo> where teh hell
[09:28] <Seveas> ;)
[09:28] <Seveas> keffo, i'm here ;)
[09:28] <Gnimsh> ok I did that
[09:28] <Gnimsh> got :/home/justin:/bin/bash
[09:28] <Seveas> it should say someting like justin:x:1000:1000
[09:28] <keffo> just cant remember how i did install my last splashscreen ;p
[09:28] <Gnimsh> yes it did that too
[09:28] <Seveas> nice :)
[09:29] <Seveas> now try sudo -i
[09:29] <Gnimsh> It says I am not in the sudoers file, and that it will be reported
[09:29] <Seveas> hmm!
[09:29] <Seveas> that's too odd
[09:29] <Gnimsh> Is there a way too put myself in it?
[09:29] <Seveas> a hard way
[09:29] <Seveas> but the installer should have done that...
[09:30] <tritium> Gnimsh, this is a fresh hoary install?
[09:30] <Gnimsh> yes
[09:31] <tritium> As Seveas pointed out, the installer is _supposed_ to have setup the first user with sudo priveleges.  This is rather odd.
[09:31] <Gnimsh> should I try reinstalling?
[09:31] <Seveas> Gnimsh, do you have pen and paper nearby? I will give you some instructions to do, but you have to reboot for it
[09:31] <Seveas> so write them down
[09:31] <Gnimsh> I can turn on notepad
[09:31] <HappyFool> Gnimsh: what does "echo $UID" say ?
[09:31] <Gnimsh> k go
[09:31] <Tatster> Hi , is there an Ubuntu equivalent to Group Policy controls in Windows Active Directory (for example for restricting access to Desktop settings)
[09:31] <stormy73034> any one know how to configure tightvnc server after u get it from apt-get
[09:32] <Seveas> Gnimsh, can i talk to you in private, that'll be easier
[09:32] <Gnimsh> sure
[09:32] <Gnimsh> HappyFool:  nothin
[09:32] <stormy73034> tatster kindof u need to use group policy manger
[09:32] <Gnimsh> a blankline
[09:32] <HappyFool> that doesn't sound good
[09:32] <Seveas> hmm??
[09:32] <HappyFool> you typed it with capital letters, exactly as i did?
[09:32] <Q_Continuum> I want to set up VNC to work remotely from the outside world - what all do I have to do?  (configure router to forward port(s) I know) anything other than that?
[09:32] <Gnimsh> no
[09:33] <Seveas> do that :)
[09:33] <Tatster> stormy, is that install by default?
[09:33] <Seveas> on linux capitalization matters
[09:33] <Gnimsh> 1000
[09:33] <stormy73034> tightvnc no
[09:33] <Gnimsh> damn picky linux
[09:33] <Q_Continuum> what's the best vnc to install for performance?
[09:33] <tritium> Q_Continuum, if you use ssh tunneling, you don't even need port forwarding on the router
[09:33] <HappyFool> ah, ok, my hunch doesn't pan out
[09:33] <Q_Continuum> true..I got that working on windows
[09:33] <stormy73034> i got it with snyptic
[09:33] <HappyFool> guess the install went wrong or something. Seveas reboot it will have to be ;)
[09:33] <Q_Continuum> now how would I do that tritium here on linux?
[09:34] <Tatster> Stormy, What does it allow you to control?
[09:34] <tritium> Q_Continuum, with the "-L" switch for ssh
[09:34] <Q_Continuum> oh, when launching the client or the server?
[09:34] <klaus^^^> can you give me a ftp server with gui
[09:34] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:34] <Q_Continuum> so when launching the vnc program I can use -L to force it to use SSH?
[09:34] <mirak> if I move the kernel file, lilo can't boot it anymore is that right ?
[09:34] <stormy73034> tatster gpmc let u set just about anything from control pannel access to ie restrictions
[09:34] <klaus^^^> hello
[09:34] <klaus^^^> ftp with gui
[09:35] <klaus^^^> ?
[09:35] <tritium> Q_Continuum, client side, e.g., ssh -L 5700:192.168.1.100:5700 -N -T user@public.IP.address
[09:35] <HappyFool> klaus^^^: let me install vsftpd. one moment.
[09:35] <klaus^^^> k
[09:36] <klaus^^^> i don't know what to do in vsftpd
[09:36] <Q_Continuum> no extra config to do server-side?
[09:36] <HappyFool> klaus^^^: it looks like the config file is /etc/vsftpd.conf
[09:36] <jeroen_> mirak: yes
[09:36] <klaus^^^> yes
[09:36] <danko123456> I found out why my gnome was being sketchy...I ran out of disk space...
[09:36] <Tatster> Stormy, I think we are talking cross-purposes. I know about GPMC in Windows environment, what I am asking is, is there an equivalent in Ubuntu/Linux if I was to move away from Windows
[09:36] <tritium> Q_Continuum, just have your vnc server running on the port you forward
[09:36] <HappyFool> what do you want/need to do with the ftp server?
[09:36] <klaus^^^> i found that
[09:36] <Q_Continuum> ok, thanks.
[09:36] <tritium> sure
[09:36] <klaus^^^> put some files so that somoene
[09:36] <klaus^^^> can connect
[09:36] <klaus^^^> and download
[09:36] <klaus^^^> just one user
[09:37] <LoopStar> hi everyone!
[09:37] <dhashen> hi just loaded ubuntu on my laptop - rocks! but can't load extensions on my firefox as its 1.02 - anyone know when repositories will be updated to 1.04?
[09:37] <LoopStar> maybe you could help me with a small problem I'm having? I'v upgraded to the latest development release a few days ago. After the upgrade my usb card-reader didn't work anymore. I've found out that /dev/sda* has been deleted. I did a './MAKEDEV sda' in /dev which worked until I rebooted... the device nodes were gone again. do you have any idea how I could prevent them from being deleted?
[09:37] <stormy73034> tatster ohhh sorry im linux nebbie just starting with it fromwinodws backround my bad
[09:37] <Hoxzer^> Do you guys know any software for linux that is for using windows XP via remote desktop ?
[09:37] <stormy73034> rdp
[09:37] <stormy73034> hoxzer terminal server client
[09:37] <dhashen> vnc?
[09:38] <Hoxzer^> is it already in ubuntu?
[09:38] <Q_Continuum> yes.
[09:38] <stormy73034> yes
[09:38] <tritium> Hoxzer^, Applications->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[09:38] <Hoxzer^> hmm what I need to install for windows ?
[09:38] <stormy73034> applications internet terminal service clint hoxzer
[09:38] <dingo> Is there any IRC server in Ubuntu ?
[09:38] <tritium> LoopStar, the topic asks that you not use breezy yet
[09:38] <Hoxzer^> where do I download that ?
[09:38] <Q_Continuum> XP Pro or Home Hoxzer^ ?
[09:38] <CarlK> Hoxzer^ - XP ;)
[09:38] <Tatster> stormy, no problems.   I'm also pretty new to Ubuntu but I like what I see so far.  I just can't see how to replace some Windows functionality - I'm sure it;'s out there, but where?
[09:38] <stormy73034> u can apt-get a irc server
[09:39] <tritium> dingo, apt-cache search irc | grep server
[09:39] <dingo> apt-cache search doesn't show any..
[09:39] <danko123456> dhashen: you sure you updated and upgraded your firefox and still nothing?
[09:39] <dhashen> yeah
[09:39] <dingo> I'm using hoary 5.04
[09:39] <stormy73034> tatster dunno this is the best flavor i found so far that i like
[09:39] <Hoxzer^> aargh what I need to instal to windows so I can use that internet terminal service
[09:39] <CarlK> tritium - try ircd
[09:39] <dhashen> repos say 1.02 latest
[09:39] <Tatster> stormy, me too so far
[09:39] <tritium> dingo, that search should return quite a few
[09:39] <stormy73034> hoxzer are u running ubuntu 5.04
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> Hoxzer^, are your running Windows XP Home or Professional?
[09:40] <dhashen> also using 5.04 and edited apt list
[09:40] <CarlK> Hoxzer^ - arrgh - it is part of XP
[09:40] <Hoxzer> Prof
[09:40] <dingo> tritium: none show.
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> Ok then you don't need to install anything - you need to follow the steps to make sure that Remote Desktop Connection will work.
[09:40] <tritium> CarlK, I'm not the one looking for one, but thanks
[09:40] <aaron> lol
[09:40] <aaron> I seem to have pissed off the guys in #debian
[09:40] <aaron> by telling them I run ubuntu
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> meaning configure your firewall, and make sure that the user is allowed to remotely log in
[09:40] <LoopStar> tritium: ok. my fault. sorry for asking. thanks for you answer!
[09:40] <Q_Continuum> lol aaron
[09:40] <tritium> dingo, make sure you have universe and multiverse setup in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <CarlK> tritium - oh yeah...
[09:40] <aaron> so i thought I'd come talk to the friendlier people over here
[09:40] <tritium> LoopStar, you're free to ask
[09:41] <tritium> But, we may not have a fix for you right now.
[09:41] <tritium> aaron, what did they say/do?
[09:41] <Q_Continuum> so Hoxzer just dig up the info (probably google it, it's on MS's site) for howto get Remote Desktop Connection configured server-side
[09:41] <Q_Continuum> then use the client in Ubuntu to connect to it.
[09:42] <Q_Continuum> in fact...I'm gonna do that right now *laptop's configured* time to see performance :-)
[09:42] <dingo> tritium, I have the extra packages
[09:42] <aaron> anyone here know any good media players that play wma?
[09:42] <aaron> I tried mplayer and beep using the synaptic packages
[09:42] <aaron> but they failed
[09:42] <stormy73034> hoxzer in xp pro right click on my comptuer, properties, remote check all users to connect remotley if ur an admin on there u dont have to select the user other wize pick ur login
[09:43] <stormy73034> make sure the fire wall is set to allow remote connection on the ports
[09:43] <LoopStar> tritium: I asked because there was someone in the news-forum having the same problem after upgrading to 5.04, so I thought it wasn't a breezy-specific problem. The links given in the forum didn't help, though. :(
[09:43] <danko123456> dhashen: the 3 and 4 are included in the 2, for some odd reason
[09:43] <danko123456> did you try your extensions, and they do not work/
[09:44] <dhashen> yeah - firefox page does not allow me in - insists i must update to 1.04
[09:45] <aaron> tritium, mplayer doesn't load properly..when I do gmplayer from a command line it just shows a black shroud where the graphics should be
[09:45] <aaron> and with beep, when I point it at my music folder, it doesn't load the wma's
[09:45] <dhashen> don't understand what u mean by 3 and 4 included in 2?
[09:45] <aaron> I tried locating the plugin, but the link from the site has gone down
[09:45] <danko123456> dhashen: there may be a way about it through the backports and that, breezy...but, if you try, make sure you go sstep by step, dont add a repo, and aptget update...upgrade.
[09:46] <danko123456> cause hoary is stable, bob2 said thast they included the patches for 3, and 4, inot the stable 2...
[09:46] <danko123456> somehting like that.
[09:46] <tritium> aaron, sorry, I'm not familiar with mplayer
[09:46] <danko123456> I dont understand either, but bob2 said that last nioght.
[09:46] <tritium> dingo, you're doing something wrong then.  Have you done an apt-get update?
[09:46] <aaron> tritium: Don't worry about it, it doesn't work anyway =P
[09:46] <danko123456> aaron: xine.
[09:46] <dingo> tritium, yes.
[09:46] <dhashen> ok - is there a howto?
[09:46] <danko123456> xine ui is what I use.
[09:47] <danko123456> dhashen: not really.
[09:47] <tritium> dingo, please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin.com
[09:47] <geogeo> yo
[09:47] <dhashen> help?
[09:47] <JairunCaloth> do I need wine and xine?
[09:47] <JairunCaloth> or just one or the other?
[09:47] <tritium> JairunCaloth, they serve different purposes
[09:48] <dhashen> what if i just download the latest from firefox site and install? instead of aptget via backports - will this 'break' something?
[09:48] <dingo> tritium, http://pastebin.com/283343\
[09:48] <dingo> (without the \)
[09:48] <Tatster> What's the best WAV audio editor for ubuntu?
[09:49] <danko123456> try it, if you can, it should not screw  anything up...I mean,..I just removed my fierfox...
[09:49] <tritium> dingo, you need to uncomment lines 19 & 20 to enable universe
[09:49] <geogeo> hey dudes
[09:49] <danko123456> YO
[09:49] <geogeo> Has anybody of you ever installed a printer
[09:50] <tritium> Tatster, I like audacity
[09:50] <aaron> yeah
[09:50] <geogeo> on a machine via smb ?
[09:50] <aaron> no...just plug into the serial port
[09:50] <danko123456> dhashen: um,...I found a way to insatll 1.0.3/..
[09:50] <Tatster> tritium, are you familiar with Wavelab on Windows? If so, how does audacity compare?
[09:50] <dingo> tritium, darn my copy pasting skills :)
[09:50] <geogeo> my printer is on a computer (windows) and I can see this computer through my router (under debian) with samba
[09:50] <dhashen> yeah?
[09:50] <geogeo> does anybody know if it's possible to print from my laptop ?
[09:50] <tritium> Tatster, no, I haven't run Windows in years, sorry
[09:51] <Tatster> no probs
[09:51] <tritium> dingo, :)
[09:51] <tritium> geogeo, yes, it's possible
[09:51] <geogeo> oh ?
[09:52] <geogeo> because i tried (this is a printer which isn't in cups' list but it works with another driver)
[09:52] <geogeo> and I can't print from my laptop
[09:52] <danko123456> yup, remove your firefox, add these two to your sources: "deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" "deb http://manno.name/debian/ breezy cvs" , and update your apt-get, and then you will have the 1.03, but, I have no clue how good or bad that will be for your system.
[09:52] <geogeo> maybe should i put the printer on my router, and then samba will manage it (it's maybe easier)
[09:52] <tritium> danko123456, in general, backports are bad for your system ;)
[09:54] <dhashen> danko123456:does your java and flash work etc?
[09:54] <danko123456> tritium, if he installs the .3 firefox, and removes the sources, does nothing else, like upgrade or something stupid like that, he should be almost fine, execpt perhaps for teh firefox...
[09:54] <danko123456> after the new version?
[09:54] <dhashen> yeah
[09:55] <danko123456> dhashen: :-p , how about you bork your system, and tell me...since I do not need the 1.0.3...
[09:55] <IcemanV9> bah .. qnext is ok - too jerky when you move on the desktop
[09:55] <danko123456> dhashen: I found you a package, in apt-get..
[09:55] <geogeo> i'm coming back in 2 minutes, I give you the time to think..=] 
[09:55] <geogeo> see ya
[09:55] <dhashen> danko123456 : dont you use extensions?
[09:55] <tritium> danko123456, yes, he should be okay
[09:56] <dhashen> can't live without mine!
[09:56] <danko123456> dhashen: nope... tritium: oooh. can not be athenitacated...malicious individual...
[09:56] <tritium> danko123456, huh?
[09:56] <danko123456> tritium: that is what synaptic tells me...
[09:56] <danko123456> for the 1.0.3 version
[09:57] <tritium> danko123456, trying to do what?
[09:57] <danko123456> oh well, what the heck, Ill just clean up the mess, open up the closet get the bulletproof vest...
[09:57] <danko123456> install...
[09:57] <tritium> which package, and from where?
[09:57] <dhashen> btw I'm a newbie - what does bork your system mean?
[09:57] <tritium> break it
[09:57] <dhashen> oh
[09:57] <danko123456> Special Ed, for those interested in a good rap song, and have not heard it yet..."the mission"
[09:58] <frans> hello
[09:58] <danko123456> dhashen: yeah, me to a newbie...
[09:58] <Fator_Dee> danko123456: good rap sonh :-o impossible... ;-)
[09:58] <danko123456> o
[09:58] <TwoBitSprite> I was in here yesterday trying to get mpeg video working, and someone gave me a link to an FAQ that I can't find anymore... can someone provide me with a link to something like that?
[09:58] <danko123456> listen to it,. its pretty sweet,.,..
[09:58] <dingo> dhashen, as I managed yesterday :)
[09:58] <Fator_Dee> danko123456: I'm not into rap :-p
[09:58] <danko123456> Fator_Dee: hear the song...since yuo spent so much time already on it..
[09:59] <dhashen> dingo : what did you do?
[09:59] <danko123456> see ya tritium
[09:59] <dingo> dhashen, only the applications that were running did something. Couldn't log in, couldn't do anything else....
[09:59] <LoopStar> bye
[09:59] <Fator_Dee> danko123456: still, I doubt I would like it
[09:59] <dingo> dhashen, power-outage during install.
[09:59] <dhashen> oooops
[09:59] <danko123456> Fator_Dee: wan it?
[10:00] <Fator_Dee> danko123456: no thanks
[10:01] <Muiske> Good day
[10:02] <zxc> anyone know how/a guide on installing and using wine?
[10:02] <dhashen> seems a little weird that 'stable' has some very recent software like gnome 2.10 - suppose just a matter of time before firefox is updated - I'll be patient
[10:02] <HappyFool> my understanding is that software is not upgraded in a particular release
[10:03] <danko123456> dude, I gave you a way, the fixes are in the hoary 1.2, I am downloading now, it is quite slow...
[10:03] <HappyFool> updates only include bug-fixes
[10:03] <Q_Continuum> anyone here used VNC?  I can start it, but it starts with a blank screen with the exception of a terminal window open...would like a normal gnome desktop.
[10:03] <danko123456> goraneee...
[10:04] <HappyFool> Q_Continuum: this is a bit of a guess, but what happens if you run gnome-session from that terminal?
[10:04] <gazzie> how do i start proftpd once i've installed it from synaptic?
[10:05] <HappyFool> sudo /etc/init/proftpd start, at a guess
[10:05] <gazzie> this config box came up and i chose inetd
[10:05] <gazzie> now what
[10:05] <Q_Continuum> gnome-session: you're already running a session manager
[10:05] <JairunCaloth> ouch
[10:05] <gazzie> heh
[10:05] <gazzie> too much irc
[10:05] <gazzie> just did /join instead of cd
[10:05] <gazzie> ;P
[10:06] <JairunCaloth> lol
[10:06] <TwoBitSprite> ok, found the FAQ... but it mentions briefly the "debian-marillat repository"... how would I add this to my sources.list? I doesn't give an actual URL, etc...
[10:06] <HappyFool> Q_Continuum: hrm. sorry, i give up
[10:06] <Q_Continuum> I'm futzing with it
[10:06] <gazzie> ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd.
[10:06] <HappyFool> TwoBitSprite: take a look at http://ubuntuguide.org
[10:06] <gazzie> wassat mean
[10:06] <gazzie> :)
[10:06] <geogeo> back dude
[10:06] <JairunCaloth> ok, does wine need full RW access to the windows partition?
[10:06] <geogeo> could anyone help me just a few minutes ?
[10:06] <Q_Continuum> anyone used VNC before?  Would like my gnome bars heh
[10:06] <HappyFool> TwoBitSprite: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:07] <geogeo> about printers through samba
[10:07] <HappyFool> gazzie: xinted is a sort of meta-server which starts up other internet servers when they are needed
[10:07] <gazzie> so how do i configured proftpd
[10:07] <gazzie> :)
[10:07] <danko123456> like what?
[10:07] <Q_Continuum> right now I just have to launch the apps from the terminal window, and I can't fullscreen one without losing the ability to switch back and forth.
[10:08] <HappyFool> i think when i installed it i selected the standalone option (i.e., not inetd)
[10:08] <gazzie> another question.. anyone know much about aoss ?
[10:08] <HappyFool> i think it Just Worked
[10:08] <gazzie> ok how can i change that now happyfool? :p
[10:08] <{Seb}> hey all
[10:08] <{Seb}> after a week of suse
[10:08] <HappyFool> gazzie: maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure proftpd ?
[10:08] <factorx> how can i adjust the look (ie fonts, font-size, window color) of kde apps, if i dont actually use kde?
[10:08] <{Seb}> 9.3, i'm back with ubuntu
[10:08] <Seveaz> tritium, in case you're curious: we figured out what the sudo problem was
[10:08] <{Seb}> however, how can i get mono 1.1.7 installed?
[10:08] <{Seb}> only 1.1.6 is in backports
[10:09] <HappyFool> Seveaz: i'm curious. what was it?
[10:09] <danko123456> sweet, seb, so how is suse doin'?
[10:09] <gazzie> ok happyfool that worked
[10:09] <{Seb}> danko12456: suse is good but no where near as polished as ubuntu ;-)
[10:09] <gazzie> how do i setup accounts/homedirs etc
[10:09] <gazzie> :)
[10:09] <{Seb}> gnome is suse is loads better but gnome in ubuntu is in a new world!
[10:10] <Seveaz> HappyFool, he reinstalled ubuntu while keeping the data, installing sudo went wrong. So the old sudoers file was kept. But he chose a new username, which of course wasn;t in the sudoers file
[10:10] <c03> Got any FAQ on how to use wireless networking?
[10:10] <HappyFool> gazzie: i'm not sure what the options are; easiest is just to add normal users to your system via adduser
[10:10] <Seveaz> HappyFool, so we don't have to blame the installer :)
[10:10] <HappyFool> Seveaz: ah. so his clean install of hoary wasn't quite ;)
[10:10] <Seveaz> nope
[10:11] <{Seb}> also, when i upgrade to breezy and choose tomboy
[10:11] <TwoBitSprite> is there a FAQ on how to get the Flash plugin to push sound through ESD?
[10:11] <Seveaz> but he's doing a clean one now
[10:11] <{Seb}> dbus is installed and evolution is removed
[10:11] <{Seb}> any ideas?
[10:11] <Seveaz> {Seb}, DO NOT use breezy
[10:11] <danko123456> yeah, seb, like that one guy said, "it's got the apps, stupid..."
[10:11] <Seveaz> it;s extremely unstable
[10:11] <{Seb}> yeh, but i would like mono 1.1.7
[10:11] <{Seb}> will it be in backports soon?
[10:11] <Seveaz> {Seb}, so install it from the mono website
[10:11] <geogeo> hey
[10:11] <HappyFool> isn't it possible to install it from source?
[10:11] <{Seb}> how?
[10:11] <c03> Wireless ?
[10:12] <geogeo> on warty, there was network profiles
[10:12] <geogeo> on hoary, not anymore ?
[10:12] <Seveaz> {Seb}, the mono website has instructions for ubuntu
[10:12] <danko123456> dhashen, downloaded yet?
[10:12] <Seveaz> but PLEASE do not use breezy (and backports are also not advisory)
[10:12] <khagen> Hey, what's this night's hassle?
[10:13] <reagleBRKLN> hi, i 'm trying to record sound on my hoary install of a dimension 2400. playing works find, and i've read the howto, but got nothing so far. i'd be happy to record the sound from the ak5370 microphone or even in intel onboard
[10:13] <danko123456> yeah, 3pm...
[10:13] <c03> Does anyone know how to use wireless networking on a laptop ?
[10:13] <factorx> how can i adjust the look (ie fonts, font-size, window color) of kde apps, if i dont actually use kde?
[10:13] <geogeo> ahha c03
[10:13] <Seveaz> c03, /me does
[10:13] <geogeo> i'm trying to do that
[10:13] <geogeo> and Seveaz does
[10:13] <geogeo> he's the man
[10:13] <khagen> Hmmm, I don't have any experience in any of these.. :-(
[10:13] <c03> okay :)
[10:14] <c03> Can you help us then ?
[10:14] <danko123456> bah
[10:14] <Seveaz> i'll try, what's the problem?
[10:14] <danko123456> Ubuntu Help | Have a question? Just ask!
[10:14] <geogeo> but my wireless doesn't work at all..he's maybe not so experimented :)
[10:14] <danko123456> enced?
[10:14] <{Seb}> SeveazL i can't see ubuntu anywhere
[10:14] <danko123456> reagleBRKLN: hm...
[10:14] <khagen> geogeo: Are the driver-modules loaded?
[10:14] <geogeo> yeah yeah of course
[10:15] <geogeo> i've got the radio signal
[10:15] <geogeo> but i can't connect
[10:15] <Seveas> {Seb}, then you're not looking good enough ;) (sorry, i only know it's there, not where it is)
[10:15] <danko123456> reagleBRKLN: so you just want your computer to recognize your external microphone, and record sound somewhere...
[10:15] <reagleBRKLN> danko123456: i need a good program that can figure it out, a really good (up to date) howto, or a miracle :)
[10:15] <dhashen> not yet got stuck on something else - did it work for you?
[10:15] <reagleBRKLN> yes
[10:15] <c03> Seveas: If I knew that, I would have corrected it => I don't know, maybe it can't my wireless card?
[10:15] <Seveas> geogeo, read the manpage for wpa_supplicant and try experimenting with it
[10:15] <danko123456> I should have a microphone here somewhere, if noone else knows anything...crimsun would likely know...
[10:16] <Seveas> geogeo, in a root terminal you just type ifconfig ath0 up
[10:16] <geogeo> don't worry Seveas
[10:16] <geogeo> it will work =] 
[10:16] <Seveas> geogeo, and then experiment with starting wpa_supplicant
[10:16] <{Seb}> Seveas: there is mono 1.1.6 for debian
[10:16] <{Seb}> Seveas: but not ubuntu and this is in backports anyway
[10:17] <Seveas> c03, how far do you get? can you scan for networks, can you connect? can you do nothing with it
[10:17] <Seveas> ?
[10:17] <rop10> Hello, got a quick question if anyone has a moment?
[10:17] <Seveas> rop10, just ask
[10:17] <danko123456> Ubuntu Help | Have a question? Just ask! |...
[10:17] <JairunCaloth> what is a good c++ IDE?
[10:17] <rop10> Workin on ubuntu for a school class, my task is to get KDE installed and running, without switching to Kubuntu, I'm using Warty, curious if theres an easy way to do it. I tried sudo apt-get install KDE and i get errors
[10:17] <danko123456> VS.net:-p
[10:18] <khagen> vim.., or else Anjuta.
[10:18] <Seveas> rop10, there's no easy way for warty
[10:18] <ompaul> JairunCaloth, xemacs nedit and lots more
[10:18] <Seveas> rop10, on hoary you can simpy say apt-get install kde
[10:18] <Muiske> So, I installed ubuntu.... but it seems I can't get any higher resolution setting than 1024x768@60... how do I change this?
[10:18] <danko123456> rop10: hmm...that should be it... or add desktop?
[10:18] <{Seb}> Seveas: any ideas?
[10:18] <rop10> how long would upgrading to Hoary take?
[10:18] <Seveas> Muiske, read the manpage about xorg.conf and edit that file
[10:19] <danko123456> seb, um...through a .deb file?
[10:19] <{Seb}> Seveas: who runs the backports?
[10:19] <khagen> rop10: It took me about 3/4 to 1 hour.
[10:19] <Seveas> {Seb}, not at all, but google for "ubuntu site=www.mono.org" (or whatever the mono site is)
[10:19] <khagen> 3/4 as in 45 mins.
[10:19] <rop10> guidetohoary on the ubuntu webpage doesn't really have any info =X
[10:19] <khagen> rop10: Depending on downstream bandwith quite a bit.
[10:20] <Seveas> rop10, you want to upgrade?
[10:20] <danko123456> dhashen: works fine.....!
[10:20] <{Seb}> who runs the backports?
[10:20] <reagleBRKLN> does ubuntu/kubuntu use oss or alsa? i see the oss mods, but kmixer reports its using alsa
[10:20] <c03> Seveas: I don't think I can even activate the wireless thingie... That means no scan :(
[10:20] <rop10> Yeah i hate gnome i want KDE, professor says its okay to if i go to Woary
[10:20] <rop10> err
[10:20] <Seveas> c03, aha
[10:20] <khagen> 2.6 kernel = alsa
[10:20] <reagleBRKLN> ok
[10:20] <{Seb}> i would like to contact who runs the backports ;-)
[10:20] <Seveas> c03, open a root terminal and type ifconfig -a
[10:20] <khagen> {Seb} that's the problem?
[10:21] <Seveas> does it report your network card (wlan0/wifi0/ath0)
[10:21] <rop10> hoary* sorry
[10:21] <danko123456> seb, there are motus, maybe??
[10:21] <Seveas> rop10: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:21] <danko123456> or the forums...posdt it if you cant find it.
[10:21] <rop10> And than just let it run?
[10:21] <Seveas> yep
[10:21] <Seveas> it'll take a while (downloads a lot)
[10:21] <danko123456> worry hoary sorry
[10:21] <rop10> Thank you very much ^_^
[10:22] <Seveas> yw :)
[10:22] <holycow> hey, you guys should check out another browser called kazehakase ... basically somewhere between mozilla and firefox, but for gtk
[10:22] <holycow> kinda neato
[10:22] <khagen> holycow: url?
[10:22] <holycow> one nice thing i like is it uses gtk file chooser and print dialog (sorta)
[10:22] <holycow> khagen, sudo apt-get instal kazehakase :)
[10:22] <Seveas> holycow, are you sure it's gtk and not qt, the 'k' it starts with makes me suspicious...
[10:22] <rop10> rop10@ubuntu:~ $ sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:22] <rop10> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:22] <rop10> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:22] <rop10> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:22] <rop10> Calculating Upgrade... Done
[10:23] <rop10> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:23] <danko123456> DHASHEN: you got that downloaded?
[10:23] <khagen> holycow: Okay, that's worth a try indeed.
[10:23] <holycow> well not saying to swtich or anything ... .
[10:23] <holycow> http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/
[10:23] <rop10> any ideas sir?
[10:23] <rop10> ^
[10:23] <Seveas> rop10, can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[10:23] <reagleBRKLN> hey cool, arecord makes squiglies when i talk
[10:23] <danko123456> yeah, its not too hard///
[10:23] <rop10> yes sir just a second
[10:24] <darkaudit> anyone using the DirectX 9 patch for WINE?
[10:25] <{Seb}> i've put a post on the ubuntuforums
[10:25] <geogeo> hey dudes, do you know why, when i want to manage printers with localhost:631
[10:25] <{Seb}> about 1.1.7
[10:25] <vigilanty> can anybody tell me why i can't play mp3's even after installing ogg vorbis, or XMMS?
[10:25] <geogeo> he asks me login&pass, and it doesn't work ?
[10:25] <danko123456> vigilanty: did you install any libs?
[10:25] <kro> vigilanty: esd
[10:25] <geogeo> (with my first user'login and pass)
[10:25] <khagen> geogeo: try the root pwd
[10:25] <vigilanty> lib ogg?
[10:25] <khagen> with the root user..
[10:25] <vigilanty> esd?
[10:25] <geogeo> I tried it
[10:25] <geogeo> :<
[10:25] <Fator_Dee> vigilanty: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[10:25] <vigilanty> yes i did.
[10:26] <rop10> Seveas, sorry for the newb question, i haven't used Ubuntu untill today... whats the command for opening /etc/apt/sources.list again?
[10:26] <danko123456> vigilanty: like... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <kro> vigilanty: go to preferences, configure the output plugin to use esd
[10:26] <darkaudit> and mikmod if you have an nvidia card (for XMMS)
[10:26] <vigilanty> wait, no i didn't
[10:26] <khagen> geogeo: cups has a separate pam config, and does not use sudo.
[10:26] <Seveas> rop10, from a terminal type: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:26] <geogeo> oh..!
[10:26] <goldfish> rop10: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:26] <vigilanty> i have been reading the wiki...
[10:26] <rop10> thats it thanks
[10:26] <makkia> hello
[10:26] <geogeo> I have to add a new user to the group cups manage so ?
[10:27] <makkia> slapd in hoary is bugged ?
[10:27] <geogeo> cupsys
[10:27] <rop10> gimme a second sirs
[10:27] <vigilanty> now, mp3s should play in totem movie player right?
[10:27] <khagen> geogeo: activate the root account. $sudo passwd root
[10:27] <danko123456> vigilanty: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-*
[10:27] <geogeo> yeah ?
[10:27] <khagen> geogeo: then try again with root and rootpass.
[10:27] <geogeo> ahha doesn't work
[10:27] <geogeo> i'm fucked !
[10:27] <rop10> posted now
[10:27] <vigilanty> it's workin
[10:27] <danko123456> URL?
[10:28] <danko123456> everyone thinks we magically have the URL...
[10:28] <khagen> geogeo: What doesn't work?
[10:28] <vigilanty> i did it thru synaptic, instead of apt-get.
[10:28] <danko123456> ok, great:)
[10:28] <geogeo> he reject root account
[10:28] <rop10> let me know if you have trouble getting to it
[10:28] <danko123456> excellent...
[10:28] <vigilanty> now, what app for movies?
[10:28] <khagen> sudo passwd
[10:28] <danko123456> same link...
[10:28] <Seveas> rop10, where did you paste it?
[10:28] <vigilanty> with as many codec compatabilities as possible?
[10:28] <mirak> I have reinstalled hoary, but now when I log in gnome, it immediately crashes once the desktop appears
[10:28] <geogeo> I just want to use a windows printer (shared with samba) with my laptop under linux
[10:28] <rop10> http://www.ubuntu.pastebin.com/283371
[10:29] <geogeo> vigilanty, check the wiki pages about audio and video, I'll give you the link
[10:29] <Seveas> ah, network isn't enabled yet
[10:29] <mirak> I created a new user, so gnome settings are fresh
[10:29] <vigilanty> well, I'll try myself...
[10:29] <khagen> try: System->Administration->Printing ..
[10:29] <rop10> network isn't enabled yet i can get on the web? >_<
[10:29] <Seveas> rop10, open the file again with sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:29] <mirak> what should I do ?
[10:29] <vigilanty> thanks, but If i have further probs, I'll come back.
[10:29] <Seveas> rop10, i meant just for apt ;)
[10:30] <rop10> ah K, its open already
[10:30] <{Seb}> btw, i read somewhere that you could replace the gnome logo with a ubuntu one
[10:30] <vigilanty> oh btw,
[10:30] <{Seb}> i think it was on the forums but i can't find the post
[10:30] <khagen> geogeo: with your own pass.
[10:30] <{Seb}> i know the standard orange one is one the system
[10:30] <danko123456> vigilanty: what do you mean?
[10:30] <{Seb}> does anyone know where there is a small version of the blue ubuntu logo
[10:30] <danko123456> vigilanty: do you have MPlayer?
[10:30] <vigilanty> what's the terminal command for installing apps that are downloaded from websites directly?
[10:30] <vigilanty> mp3 player is working through totem now.
[10:30] <Seveas> rop10, on line 5, 6, 15, 16, 18 and 19 (the lines that start with deb) you remove the # at the beginning
[10:31] <khagen> vigilante: is it a .deb?
[10:31] <rop10> Seveas, K uncommenting now
[10:31] <Fator_Dee> vigilanty: dpkg -i debfilename
[10:31] <vigilanty> well, some will be i think.
[10:31] <vigilanty> what if it's a rpg?
[10:31] <aleksander> how can i install apache server on ubuntu?
[10:31] <danko123456> vigilanty: um, rather wget, I think.
[10:31] <geogeo> with my own pass khagen  ?
[10:31] <{Seb}> aleksander: sudo apt-get install apache2
[10:31] <franklin50> aleksander: sudo apt-get install apache2
[10:31] <rop10> checking now thanks
[10:31] <danko123456> rpwhat?
[10:32] <geogeo> but, with System admin....
[10:32] <vigilanty> so, lets say i install opera,
[10:32] <aleksander> ok, but how open i the command screen...
[10:32] <geogeo> I can't add my windows printer with samba
[10:32] <geogeo> it doesn't work
[10:32] <vigilanty> cd to the dir,
[10:32] <Seveas> rop10, then save it and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:32] <khagen> geogeo: from the menu: System->Administration->Printing width your wn pass.
[10:32] <vigilanty> and dpkg -i debfilename
[10:32] <vigilanty> ?
[10:32] <danko123456> aleksander: sudo apt-get install apache
[10:32] <khagen> geogeo: wn = own
[10:32] <geogeo> yeah, the printer works in local
[10:32] <aleksander> dankol123456: where?
[10:32] <geogeo> but not through smb
[10:32] <danko123456> well, is it a .deb?
[10:32] <danko123456> or from source? vigilanty
[10:32] <geogeo> so i'm not good at all :<
[10:32] <rop10> Seveas works great thank you for the help sir ^_^
[10:33] <dhashen> edit apt sources and now downloading via backports but its sloooooooooooooooowwwww!
[10:33] <danko123456> aleksander: apps>system tools
[10:33] <vigilanty> well, I'll at some point need to know all of the installation methods thru the terminal.
[10:33] <Seveas> rop10, you're welcome :)
[10:33] <aleksander> ok
[10:33] <danko123456> dhashen: installed:-p
[10:33] <danko123456> dhashen: where are the extensions, anyhow, teh ones  you ruin for .3?
[10:33] <aleksander> any one here who have msn on linux? (via ssh...)
[10:33] <danko123456> aleksander: OK!
[10:34] <danko123456> I use gaim for msn messenger
[10:34] <aleksander> dankol123456: norsk?
[10:34] <aleksander> speak norwegian
[10:34] <danko123456> nope, Im Hrvatska!!!
[10:34] <khagen> aleksander: never heard of a command-line msn client.. sorry
[10:34] <danko123456> seveas, nite.
[10:34] <aleksander> :P
[10:34] <dhashen> in firefox u goto tools menu, extentions and click for more
[10:34] <WebWiz> khagen: centericq does msn
[10:35] <selutha> what is the default sound system installed on ubuntu?
[10:35] <dcraven> aleksander: I think centericq does msn.. Have a look.
[10:35] <danko123456> and which ones?
[10:35] <khagen> selutha: alsa + esd
[10:35] <WebWiz> aleksander: yes it does,  msn, aim, irc, jab, yahoo, gg
[10:35] <danko123456> it doesnt let you to their website:p
[10:35] <selutha> thanks khagen bud having a problem he gets static when 2 sounds play
[10:36] <aleksander> webwiz: do you can explain how?
[10:36] <factorx> why isnt the kernel 2.6. source in my synaptic packages tree?
[10:36] <aleksander> i'm new on linux...
[10:36] <WebWiz> sure i'll msg you
[10:36] <aleksander> dankol....: where shall i write the apache tings...?
[10:36] <khagen> selutha: That'll be alsa I quess.
[10:36] <selutha> khagen, alsa causing static you think?
[10:37] <khagen> selutha: I think so, try tinkering around a bit with alsamixer (terminal program)
[10:37] <mirak> hi
[10:37] <mirak> I have just installed ubuntu
[10:38] <danko123456> aleksander: did you get a terminal open?
[10:38] <mirak> but when I log to gnome, once I am on the desktop, it crashes immedialty. It freezes in fact
[10:38] <danko123456> apps>system tools>terminal, type in "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install apache" and press ebter.
[10:38] <user_> !list
[10:39] <Thirsteh> I haven't tried out Ubuntu yet, and have been using Mandrake/Gentoo for a long time. What makes Ubuntu so great that I should try it out?
[10:39] <selutha> khagen, ok i will tell him thanks. one more question anyone know if gnome is going to drop esd like kde is doing to arts?
[10:39] <Funraiser> mirak, laptop memory and cpu?
[10:39] <khagen> selutha: Don't know.
[10:39] <danko123456> vigilanty: did you install mplayer, watching movies yet?
[10:40] <selutha> khagen, ok thanks again
[10:40] <sjohnson> n00b question:  I get the superblock error when i try mounting with this in fstab:
[10:40] <sjohnson> /dev/sdb2 /home/sjohnson/sg reiserfs defaults,user,errors=remount-ro 0 1
[10:40] <factorx> why does the kernel-2.6.x source package not appear in my synaptic packages list?
[10:40] <sjohnson> but i can mount as root using "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /home/sjohnson/sg"
[10:40] <user_> quit
[10:40] <goldfish> user_: /quit
[10:41] <mirak> Funraiser: it's not a laptop. XP1800+ 1G ddr . I use ubuntu for six months now
[10:41] <mirak> I reinstalled
[10:41] <aleksander> how do i log in as root?
[10:41] <Thirsteh> Guess I shouldn't :D
[10:41] <sjohnson> aleksander: sudo passwd root
[10:41] <aleksander> password, username?
[10:41] <mirak> because I was on breezy, so I went back to hoary ^^
[10:41] <sjohnson> set your password
[10:41] <aleksander> ok
[10:41] <sjohnson> then type "su"
[10:41] <sjohnson> after you have set your password
[10:41] <sjohnson> and CTRL-D when you're done with the root terminal
[10:42] <vigilanty> danko123456, no i haven't
[10:42] <vigilanty> should that play all codecs though?
[10:42] <Funraiser> Thirsteh, it froze on breezy?
[10:42] <aleksander> how can i find my local ip adress?
[10:42] <rop10> seveas, so after thats complete how do i go about install hoary?
[10:42] <aleksander> "ip addr" ?
[10:42] <khagen> Thirsteh: It's debian based... ;-)
[10:42] <Funraiser> mirak, it froze on breezy?
[10:42] <organon> ifconfig
[10:42] <{Seb}> night all
[10:43] <mirak> Funraiser: no, it doesn't
[10:43] <aleksander> organon: ipconfig on linux?
[10:43] <organon> dunno, ive always udes ifconfig :O
[10:43] <rop10> Seveas, nevermind, sudo apt-get install kde works great
[10:43] <aleksander> is php included in apache2 ???
[10:43] <geogeo> fucking printer grrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:43] <organon> used*
[10:43] <khagen> geogeo: No luck still?
[10:44] <geogeo> I'm trying with System admin... printers
[10:44] <geogeo> but it doesn't work
[10:44] <organon> aleksander, sudo ifconfig and check "eth0"
[10:44] <aleksander> php on apache2 ?
[10:44] <geogeo> I created a special user on windows
[10:44] <geogeo> without password
[10:44] <organon> sudo apt-get install php4
[10:44] <aleksander> :P
[10:44] <geogeo> and the host is good, the name of the printer is good
[10:44] <aleksander> what does "sudo" ?
[10:44] <geogeo> it works in local..
[10:45] <organon> as su
[10:45] <aleksander> and without "sudo" ?
[10:45] <organon> gives u super user privileges
[10:45] <kutucape> helo all
[10:45] <organon> aka root :)
[10:45] <sjohnson> aleksander:  ifconfig
[10:45] <sjohnson> with an F
[10:45] <sjohnson> not p
[10:45] <organon> wanhaa! :)
[10:45] <organon> never mind
[10:46] <kutucape> ipconfig for windoze user :p
[10:46] <blake> hellow
[10:46] <vigilanty> I obviously don't have the correct things installed to play videos...  mplayer opens, then closes, and totem plays audio only.
[10:46] <danko123456> wraps the command with su privileges...
[10:46] <aleksander> brb
[10:46] <blake> what is a good p2p program
[10:47] <goldfish> limewire
[10:47] <blake> has alot of users on it
[10:47] <vigilanty> bittorent is good too.
[10:47] <mirak> help me
[10:47] <mirak> plz
[10:47] <mirak> :)
[10:47] <mirak> gnome crash immediately after I log in
[10:47] <blake> limewire is for lunnnix
[10:47] <blake> linux
[10:47] <vigilanty> video codec help, please?
[10:47] <Klaas> Hello everyone, Some days ago, i found some ubuntu cd's in my mailbox, thanks for giving them without paying to me. it's realy great (ubuntu), at the moment, i'm working on the live cd , its a hoary 5.04, i tried to install ubuntu on my hard drive but he can't dedect it ( it's a sata hard disk ), my setup is a P3 450mhz with 128 + 32 mb ram ( soon 512 ), creative l!ve sound blaster 5.1 / gf 4 mx 440  and a 3com network card.
[10:47] <Klaas> The problem is, when i boot from the install cd
[10:48] <kutucape> mirak, what's the error then
[10:48] <danko123456> mplayer, does it open, and when you play ckloses?
[10:48] <vigilanty> no
[10:48] <Klaas> everything goes automatic, that's okej, but when i reach the step of dedecting the hard drive
[10:48] <danko123456> then what?
[10:48] <rop10> Is there a safe way to stop a apt-get? I remember on Gentoo it would hurt it if you stopped mid emerge
[10:48] <vigilanty> well yes it does actually.
[10:48] <Klaas> it says he can't find one, becouse i have a sata hdd pluggen onto a sata PCI card
[10:48] <organon> ctrl+c should do the trick ;)
[10:48] <vigilanty> it says it's starting mplayer, then disappers.
[10:48] <Funraiser> vigilanty, try vlc
[10:48] <Klaas> how can I fix this, thanks
[10:48] <organon> "safe" :)
[10:49] <rop10> Organon, thank you sir
[10:49] <danko123456> vigilanty: try changing the output plugin, to esd, I did that, maybe not the same thing, though.
[10:49] <ola_> got a problem when changing to warty. x fails to start. some unmet dependencies. try to fix with apt-get -f install, but recieve errors
[10:49] <mirak> kutucape: I don't know, it freezes
[10:49] <Darksun> Hmm, I think the battery monitor might be broke, it's been showing 97% for hours
[10:49] <vigilanty> esd?
[10:49] <ola_> can anyone help?
[10:49] <organon> np br0
[10:49] <Darksun> Or maybe my battery is broke and can't fully charge >_<
[10:49] <Klaas> no, i'm new to this
[10:49] <danko123456> ola_: removed backports before upgrading?
[10:49] <rop10> Anyone have any reason to use Ubuntu instead of Gentoo? I'm debating making the switch
[10:49] <danko123456> vigilanty: have you tried changing the output plugin to esd?
[10:49] <ola_> danko123456: backports? don't know what that is.
[10:49] <kutucape> mirak, have you choose failsafe session?
[10:50] <vigilanty> how, what, where?
[10:50] <Marble2> rop10: instsalling anything takes a million hours to compile
[10:50] <ola_> danko123456: how?
[10:50] <vigilanty> i don't know what esd is.
[10:50] <mirak> kutucape: hem nope
[10:50] <Klaas> rop10, try the live cd from ubuntu, you'll see it's a cool thing, ubuntu
[10:50] <ghostfreeman> i need help urgently
[10:50] <Marble2> and most apps are in the repositories
[10:50] <rop10> I'm aware, problem is i get out of class in 10 minutes ^_^
[10:50] <mirak> kutucape: I will try that, but I don't see how resolve the problem
[10:50] <ghostfreeman> where can I find the xorg configuration file
[10:50] <Funraiser> ghostfreeman, what's the prob?
[10:50] <rop10> Klaas, thank you sir i'll give it a shot
[10:50] <danko123456> ola, look in your sources.list file, under /etc/apt.
[10:50] <kutucape> rop10, after using it a month i love it because we don't need compiling to use it :p
[10:50] <Marble2> vigilanty: what's your problem
[10:50] <ghostfreeman> i made a setting
[10:50] <blake> how do you install rpm's?
[10:50] <Klaas> " sir " :D i'm 14y old ;)
[10:50] <ghostfreeman> and now I can't load X
[10:51] <vigilanty> damn, my lunch break is almost over, but I can't play video...
[10:51] <rop10> kutucape compiling fucking sucks
[10:51] <organon>  /etc/X11/
[10:51] <vigilanty> no avi's, no mpg...
[10:51] <organon> at least with free86 :o
[10:51] <vigilanty> totem only plays the audio of them.
[10:51] <danko123456> Klaas: :)
[10:51] <blake> i thought tat was like the equivelnt to an auto installer
[10:51] <vigilanty> and does a shitty job of that.
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> vigilanty: try xine or vlc
[10:51] <vigilanty> xine sounds good.
[10:51] <Funraiser> ghostfreeman, can't help
[10:51] <Marble2> vigilanty: what are you using as video output?
[10:51] <vigilanty> i gotta go for now though, otherwise i might get fired.
[10:51] <ghostfreeman> shit
[10:52] <vigilanty> i don't know.
[10:52] <Fator_Dee> and do you have w32codecs installed?
[10:52] <ghostfreeman> well, thanks anyways.
[10:52] <danko123456> vigilanty: did you look in your preferences, to change the default output plugin to esound instead of oss?
[10:52] <organon> ghostfreeman, /etc/X11/
[10:52] <Deft> whoa, this channels getting big these days...
[10:52] <vigilanty> this will have to wait.
[10:52] <vigilanty> sorry, but i can't lose my job.
[10:52] <organon> :)
[10:52] <Marble2> it's fine
[10:52] <Marble2> we
[10:52] <Marble2> we'll still be here later
[10:52] <vigilanty> i'll be back later tonight, after trying what u guys said.
[10:52] <kutucape> trying installing xfce, anyone here have tried xfce on hoary?
[10:52] <organon> "which one comes first: ur job or linux?!"
[10:52] <Funraiser> yeah i think this channel should be divided in ubuntu-sound, ubuntu-graphics , ubuntu-etc
[10:52] <Fator_Dee> kutucape: I use it
[10:53] <kutucape> i just want to know how good it is
[10:53] <darkaudit> kutucape: and I
[10:53] <Fator_Dee> it's good, I got nothing to complaint
[10:53] <Marble2> Funraiser: nah, it's nice to have a catch-all channel, diving it would just confused newbies who just wanted to fix a small problem
[10:53] <organon> btw, where are u from guys (well, girls too :))?
[10:53] <Klaas> Can anyone help me installing ubuntu on a pc with a sata controller? ( the only hdd is on that controller ) and the installer does not dedect it
[10:53] <danko123456> all the girls:)
[10:53] <kutucape> Fator_Dee, well it seems that I will have the same too :D
[10:53] <Funraiser> France
[10:53] <organon> hehe
[10:53] <goldfish> organon: Everywhere !
[10:54] <goldfish> Ireland here.
[10:54] <Klaas> Belgium over here
[10:54] <Deft> England, Southampton at the moment
[10:54] <blake> does anyone know how to enamle the installing of rpms???
[10:54] <kutucape> Indonesia over here :D
[10:54] <organon> finland
[10:54] <darkaudit> West (by God) Virginia here :)
[10:54] <geogeo> France
[10:54] <geogeo> \o/
[10:54] <kutucape> i'm from asia ^_^
[10:54] <Klaas> belgium, ieper, where World War One stopped :D
[10:54] <Funraiser> blake, there is an app called alien, but it doesn't work well
[10:54] <goldfish> blake: 'alien blah.rpm'
[10:54] <goldfish> blake: will make a .deb
[10:54] <Klaas> geogeo, bonjour ;) commect cava?
[10:54] <aleksander> back
[10:54] <kutucape> it's good that ubuntu ship many languages on gnome
[10:55] <geogeo> la peche.
[10:55] <Klaas> :d
[10:55] <Marble2> blake, we use deb files
[10:55] <Marble2> you can use alien though
[10:55] <organon> bon voyage
[10:55] <blake> deb
[10:55] <organon> :)
[10:55] <geogeo> ahah
[10:55] <Marble2> I'm from Minnesota
[10:55] <Klaas> brb guys
[10:55] <kutucape> wait, i want to switch with xfce ^_^
[10:55] <Klaas> gotta make a toilet stop x)
[10:55] <darkaudit> kutucape: switch what?
[10:56] <Deft> that was a little more information than we needed to know there Klaas...
[10:56] <kutucape> i'm currently use gnome..
[10:56] <organon> another WM
[10:56] <kutucape> so i want to try using xfce...
[10:56] <Funraiser> lol
[10:56] <aleksander> how to use msn via ssh?
[10:56] <kutucape> brb guys
[10:56] <organon> isnt it xfce4?
[10:56] <aleksander> webzeb here?
[10:56] <Funraiser> what ssh again?
[10:56] <Funraiser> what's*
[10:56] <ben__> does ubuntu come with a webserver?
[10:56] <darkaudit> organon: yep
[10:57] <ben__> Secure SHell
[10:57] <danko123456> rlogin
[10:57] <geogeo> msn via ssh ?
[10:57] <organon> what if you connect via ssh and then start screen and run e.g. centericq in screen
[10:57] <karljp> what do I need to do in order to umount my swap partition?
[10:57] <organon> should do the trick
[10:57] <sjohnson> why the fuck can i mount something using the mount command it won't work in fstab!!!!!!!!
[10:57] <karljp> I want to remake it elsewhere
[10:57] <sjohnson> :(
[10:57] <aleksander> msn in ssh...
[10:57] <danko123456> sjohnson: frustrated, eh?
[10:57] <geogeo> ah =] 
[10:57] <Deft> has anyone tried using xchat-gnome; the gnome-ish xchat interface thing?
[10:57] <ben__> how can i get a webserver on my ubbuntu using apt-get ?
[10:57] <Deft> sjohnson, what's the issue?
[10:57] <organon> in irssi we trust
[10:58] <Deft> ben__, apache2 is in the archives
[10:58] <Marble2> sjohnson: run it as sudo
[10:58] <aleksander> private geogeo
[10:58] <aleksander> how to start private chat?
[10:58] <geogeo> I started it
[10:58] <danko123456> sjohnson: are you sure the hard drive is where you think it is, sudo fdisk -l ?
[10:58] <geogeo> U've got irssi ?
[10:58] <geogeo> CTRL + 1...2..3..4...
[10:59] <goldfish> alt
[10:59] <Funraiser> aleksander, right click the name on x-chat
[10:59] <sjohnson> hey dudes, thanks for helping
[10:59] <sjohnson> i'll tell you the problem here
[10:59] <sjohnson> /dev/sdb2       /mnt    reiserfs        rw,user,uid=gid=1000,owner=sjohnsonerrors=remount-ro 0       1
[10:59] <sjohnson> gets the badsuperblock error, wrong fs type, etc error
[10:59] <kutucape> hei all
[11:00] <sjohnson> but if i do "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt" works fine
[11:00] <blake> how do i run alien
[11:00] <Marble2> your swap is reiserfs?
[11:00] <sjohnson> and i found out later it used "reiserfs"
[11:00] <Deft> sjohnson, you have a comma missing it that's the real line
[11:00] <darkaudit> sjohnson: are you getting errors about a SATA drive @ boot?
[11:00] <Marble2> blake: alien blah.rpm
[11:00] <sjohnson> darkaudit: no
[11:00] <kutucape> i adminitted that xfce is so d*mn beatifull :D
[11:00] <blake> in terminal
[11:00] <blake> ?
[11:00] <organon> what about fluxbox? :o
[11:00] <sjohnson> k let me try this
[11:00] <Marble2> blake: yea
[11:00] <darkaudit> sjohnson: ok...
[11:00] <sjohnson> thanks Deft
[11:00] <aleksander> any one who know why i not can log on root on this screen?
[11:00] <Funraiser> blake, just type alien in a terminal plus the name of the rpm file, but most likely it's not gonna work anyway
[11:01] <blake> blah = filename
[11:01] <kutucape> organon, fluxbux is too simple
[11:01] <darkaudit> organon: I was using fluxbox for a long time... then I tried XFCE :)
[11:01] <sjohnson> /dev/sdb2       /mnt    reiserfs        defaults,user=sjohnson,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:01] <sjohnson> it's now this... but it now complains that i have to be root
[11:01] <organon> well' i've tried 'em both too
[11:01] <Deft> ion2 is the pretty special if it's set up right
[11:01] <sjohnson> fuuuuck
[11:01] <organon> havent chosen my side yet ;)
[11:01] <sjohnson> sorry for the swear words if it's offending someone
[11:01] <Funraiser> sjohnson, sudo then
[11:02] <sjohnson> my goal is to make it so i don't have to be root to mount this, i want to be ME
[11:02] <danko123456> haha, frustration.
[11:02] <Deft> sjohnson, you'll need a user or users option then
[11:02] <darkaudit> organon: with now the biggest holy war I'm involved in is to yEnc or not to yEnc...
[11:02] <sjohnson> it will work if i take out the "=sjohnson" but in this line...
[11:02] <Klaas> bye @ all
[11:02] <darkaudit> most linux users don't have that issue :)
[11:02] <sjohnson> /dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=sjohnson)
[11:02] <Funraiser> yEnc!
[11:02] <sjohnson> my CDROM drive works FINE with user=sjohnson
[11:02] <organon> yEnc? sry, doesn't ring a bell
[11:02] <sjohnson> this is driving me insane!!!!!!!!!1
[11:03] <Marble2> sjohnson: it has to be set up correctly in fstab for you to be able to mount it
[11:03] <Funraiser> yEnc in peace, nothing to worry about
[11:03] <sjohnson> Marble2: i know, that's what im trying to figure out
[11:03] <Marble2> your swap partition?
[11:03] <Marble2> pm me
[11:03] <darkaudit> organon: encoding format for USENET binaries... Outlook Express doesn't support it, and ppl have a fit when you use it
[11:04] <organon> right on, googeling as we speak
[11:04] <danko123456> Klaas: cya
[11:04] <darkaudit> and my apologies for invoking OE :)
[11:04] <Deft> sjohnson, a typical options line would be just defaults,user, that normally does the trick unless you have somethin odd going on
[11:04] <Funraiser> outlook is a news graber?
[11:05] <darkaudit> Funraiser: OE does mail and usenet... neither very well, but too many ppl don't bother to use anything proper
[11:05] <Funraiser> darkaudit, well many people use grabit now for NGs
[11:06] <blake> funraiser
[11:06] <Funraiser> darkaudit, i mean for downloading "files"
[11:06] <Funraiser> yes?
[11:06] <aleksander> how to logon root?
[11:06] <blake> funraiser: i typed it and now it's a blank line below
[11:06] <darkaudit> Funraiser: I haven't tried grabit... I use Pan
[11:07] <IIIEars> Hi! - What is the "Session" program called?
[11:07] <blake> funraiser: id said it worked
[11:07] <IIIEars> what do the numbers mean for a program i add to start up/
[11:08] <Funraiser> darkaudit, well there is no grabit for linux, and Pan uses a lot of memory, i've heard nget works
[11:08] <Funraiser> well
[11:08] <Funraiser> blake, the alien thing?
[11:08] <blake> funraiser: id said it worked
[11:08] <blake> yeas
[11:08] <Funraiser> blake, try to launch it to see
[11:08] <blake> how
[11:08] <blake> :P?
[11:08] <Funraiser> what did u convert?
[11:08] <darkaudit> Funraiser: pan is back in development... they're working on lightening the memory load...
[11:08] <blake> a file on my desktop
[11:08] <Andril> hello all again -
[11:09] <Funraiser> darkaudit, it's about time
[11:09] <blake> funraiser: this is what it said
[11:09] <Funraiser> k
[11:09] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake # alien /home/blake/Desktop/LimeWireLinux.rpm limewire-free_4.8.1-1_i386.deb generated
[11:09] <blake> root@LittleWhiteBox:/home/blake #
[11:09] <karim_> I am back
[11:09] <karim_> gnome freezes
[11:10] <Andril> advice to all - stay away from "autopackage" till they are complete http://autopackage.org/
[11:10] <karim_> but it's kernel crash
[11:10] <IIIEars> What does the number 50  mean alongside a start up program in "Sessions"?
[11:10] <karim_> with 2.6.11
[11:10] <Andril> Good concept/Bad config
[11:10] <karim_> the back trace isn't very talkative
[11:11] <IIIEars> What other numbers can be used?
[11:11] <Funraiser> blake, do u know there is amule for linux?
[11:11] <darkaudit> Funraiser: yes there is... in universe IIRC
[11:12] <ola_> h3ello people! I am unable to correct dependencies. upgraded recently to hoary and X won't start. ...perl-base...version...will be installed.. I try install -f, and it seems to work, (...16MEGS will be used? Y) and then error while processing perl-base
[11:12] <organon> speaking of compiling.. have you tried gentoo?
[11:12] <Funraiser> blake, now u can try to install it
[11:12] <IIIEars> is this where a new Ubuntu user can ask questions?
[11:12] <dabaSlon_schl> IIIEars: :)
[11:12] <darkaudit> organon: very briefly... never got it installed...
[11:12] <blake> do i need to extract it first
[11:12] <Deft> IIIEars, yes!
[11:13] <IIIEars> Hello dabaSlon :)
[11:13] <Funraiser> dpkg -i nameofyourfilecreated.deb
[11:13] <organon> darkaudit, u should try again :)
[11:13] <dabaSlon_schl> yo, im away
[11:13] <ola_> is it possible to downgrade to warty?
[11:13] <Funraiser> blake, no, type that where the file is
[11:13] <Deft> ola_, not really
[11:13] <organon> i got it working on the second time :)
[11:13] <darkaudit> there's always apt-build ;)
[11:13] <blake> fun: i clicked the .deb file and it just opened a folder
[11:13] <ola_> Deft: oh...
[11:13] <IIIEars> I added a program to "Sessions" startup the number 50 was added automatically. - What does that number mean/
[11:14] <chillywilly> hello ubunuters
[11:14] <chillywilly> ubuntuers too
[11:14] <organon> ;)
[11:14] <chillywilly> did you know that god wrote in lisp code?
[11:14] <chillywilly> ;P
[11:14] <Funraiser> dpkg -i a file requires sudo?
[11:14] <Deft> I would think that god probably schemes
[11:14] <factorx> how can i compile a kernel with make-kpkg via menuconfig?
[11:14] <chillywilly> sure
[11:14] <darkaudit> Funraiser: yes
[11:14] <chillywilly> scheme is just a lisp dialect
[11:14] <Funraiser> blake, open a terminal
[11:15] <Deft> yes, but who would believe in a lisping god?
[11:15] <Deft> scheming on the other hand
[11:15] <chillywilly> muwahhahahhaa
[11:15] <Deft> that or brainfuck of course
[11:15] <chillywilly> I think there's a song called "god wrote in lisp code"
[11:15] <karim_> how to change channel with irssi-text ?
[11:15] <karim_> to switch channel
[11:15] <chillywilly> programs hacking programs...
[11:16] <darkaudit> factorx: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php
[11:16] <chillywilly> wild stuff I tell ya
[11:16] <Funraiser> blake?
[11:16] <organon> ctrl+1,2,3,etc...
[11:16] <karim_> ok
[11:16] <goldfish> ALT
[11:16] <organon> my bad, ALT!
[11:16] <darkaudit> karim_: alt+(chan #)
[11:16] <karim_> organon: it's alt
[11:16] <Tomcat_> Where can I set module parameters for hotplug loaded modules?
[11:16] <organon> gettin' tired :p
[11:16] <Funraiser> blake, knock knock
[11:16] <raydogg``> I have a script that acts on some files inside a directory... when i try to run the script inside the directory it works fine, but if i try to run the script from outside the directory it says it can't find the files... how can i fix this CWD problem ?
[11:16] <karim_> so I got a problem, when I log to gnome with hoary, I got a kernel crash
[11:16] <IIIEars> Hi goldfish!
[11:16] <factorx> thx, darkaudit
[11:17] <karim_> I have just installed it
[11:17] <organon> or /channel # :)
[11:17] <goldfish> hey IIIEars
[11:17] <goldfish> too much typing
[11:17] <karim_> the kernel is 2.6.11-1
[11:17] <organon> true
[11:17] <karim_> anyone can help ?
[11:17] <aleksander> how to edit the apache httpd.conf file?
[11:17] <organon> or alt+left/right
[11:17] <Deft> aleksander, beyond "sudo gedit httpd.conf"?
[11:18] <eruin> is there a way to sniff if a file gets deleted and replace it with another file?
[11:18] <organon> aleksander, nano -w /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[11:18] <Funraiser> goldfish, use the tab then
[11:18] <blake> i did it
[11:18] <eruin> ie realtime
[11:18] <goldfish> I'm happy with alt + num.
[11:18] <goldfish> Thanks.
[11:18] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:18] <Funraiser> blake, and?
[11:18] <Funraiser> blake, did u cd to Desktop?
[11:18] <Deft> eruin, inotify, dnotify etc are the things in the kernel for that
[11:19] <eruin> eek
[11:19] <blake> it did something.......if it installed it where would the file be?????
[11:19] <sjohnson> ok dudes, with reiserfs, it works to mount with "user" in fstab, but I won't it so only ME is able to mount it... reiserfs doesn't support uid or user=sjohnson
[11:19] <Deft> eruin, or just script to check every 5 seconds is the opposite end of the scale
[11:19] <eruin> hmm
[11:19] <Funraiser> blake, u have to type first: cd Desktop
[11:19] <eruin> I'll have to look into bash scripting
[11:19] <eruin> then
[11:19] <blake> ?
[11:20] <blake> you mean
[11:20] <Funraiser> blake, then type: sudo dpkg -i thefiletoinstall.deb
[11:20] <blake> that's what i typed
[11:20] <blake> i did it in root
[11:20] <Funraiser> blake, in the Desktop folder?
[11:20] <blake> no
[11:21] <eruin> in / :P
[11:21] <Funraiser> blake, your file is in which folder?
[11:21] <blake> desktop for now
[11:22] <Funraiser> blake, then open the terminal and type: cd Desktop
[11:22] <jamesio> anyone here have experience with ubuntu running the smp kernel?
[11:22] <hybrid_goth> help names
[11:23] <keffo> how was it now again.. with wget to get the folder and everything within it?
[11:23] <blake> !!
[11:23] <blake> sweet
[11:23] <Funraiser> blake, now to see if your file is there type: ls
[11:23] <blake> i didn't know how to do that
[11:24] <blake> now i do
[11:24] <Funraiser> :-)
[11:25] <hybrid_goth> lol
[11:25] <organon> keffo, is it wget -r url
[11:26] <blake> no i didn't know how to do that
[11:26] <Funraiser> blake, now type ls
[11:26] <ola_> (new-to-linux-guy, people. they exists)
[11:26] <IIIEars> Funraiser - lol - he could be for real - i asked the same question 2 weeks ago for real.
[11:26] <ola_> exist*
[11:26] <blake> but i typed dpkg -i filename
[11:26] <blake> is tha tright
[11:26] <blake> it got errors
[11:27] <blake> i got errors
[11:27] <Funraiser> blake, to make sure the file is there first type: ls
[11:27] <IIIEars> Yes - 2 weeks makes  me a seasoned newb - right?
[11:27] <blake> well ......it's on my desktop
[11:27] <blake> i see it
[11:27] <sjohnson> has ANYONE here figured out how to allow only one user to mount reiserfs in fstab?  rfs doesn't support uid,gid, or user=sjohnson
[11:27] <sjohnson> please help!!!
[11:27] <Funraiser> blake, ok then type: sudo dpkg -i thefile.deb
[11:27] <blake> ooh i forgot sudo
[11:30] <bluszcz> is here any developper ubuntu?
[11:30] <Funraiser> blake, hurry up i've got a panzer to blow
[11:30] <hybrid_goth> how do i set up this ubuntu so i can ssh to it from school?
[11:31] <tga> I'm having trouble getting a Logitech QuickCam to work with gnomemeeting
[11:31] <IIIEars> bluszcz - most are away at the moment - you gotta take your chances with us newbs - muhahahah!
[11:31] <blake> me too
[11:31] <blake> is it L OR i??
[11:31] <tga> the c-qcam module seems to use video for linux 1 and gnomemeeting wants v4l-2
[11:31] <mirak> the 2.6.11-1 kernel doesn't work here on hoary
[11:31] <bluszcz> IIIEars: come on :)
[11:31] <blake> dpkg l
[11:31] <Funraiser> blake, i small i like in install
[11:31] <blake> yeah
[11:31] <blake> brb
[11:32] <Funraiser> dpkg -r to remove
[11:33] <IIIEars> Funraiser - you are cool
[11:33] <Funraiser> well thanks
[11:33] <blake> i did it in a folder i created on the desktop and it's not there?
[11:33] <blake> why?
[11:34] <blake> it says it worked
[11:34] <Funraiser> blake, ok now click applications/run application and enter the name of the app
[11:35] <evan_> arrrgh... anyone know how to vertically center text on a page in openoffice?
[11:35] <Goliath24> hi, i'm running ubuntu on a laptop and it seems to power down the harddisk after 10 seconds... which is pretty anoying, how do I change that?
[11:36] <blake> umm
[11:36] <tga> Goliath24: take a look at hdparm
[11:36] <Funraiser> blake, ?
[11:36] <tga> Goliath24: but be careful, you can screw things up if you don't know what you're doing
[11:36] <Goliath24> tga: what is the "ubuntu-way" to configure hdparm?
[11:36] <tga> Goliath24: apt-get install hdparm, I don't know
[11:36] <Goliath24> okay
[11:36] <goldfish> no need to apt-get it
[11:36] <geogeo> ciao
[11:36] <goldfish> afaik
[11:36] <geogeo> =] 
[11:36] <blake> it's accepting the comand
[11:36] <Funraiser> ciao geogeo
[11:36] <blake> but not doing anything
[11:37] <blake> ?
[11:37] <Funraiser> blake, ok type the name of the app in a terminal
[11:37] <Funraiser> blake, u'll see what's wrong this way
[11:38] <blake> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer
[11:38] <Funraiser> blake, there we are
[11:38] <blake> by any chance can i get that from aptget?
[11:39] <Funraiser> blake, now
[11:39] <Funraiser> no
[11:39] <Funraiser> one sec
[11:39] <goldfish> get the .bin from sun website
[11:39] <bluszcz> so many newbies
[11:39] <Funraiser> blake, u are trying to install limewire aren't u?
[11:39] <blake> yes
[11:39] <goldfish> lol
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> heh
[11:40] <blake> or
[11:40] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: did u get your answer?
[11:40] <blake> any high trafic p2p
[11:40] <Funraiser> blake, well just follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[11:40] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: nope
[11:40] <IIIEars> lol - hey been here two whole weeks already! (harumph)
[11:40] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: do u have a static ip ?
[11:40] <holycow> IIIEars, how do you like linux so far?
[11:40] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: first u need to, apt-get install openssh-server
[11:41] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: no but it only changes weekly
[11:41] <IIIEars> Best OS yet
[11:41] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: kk
[11:41] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: once u install the openssh-server
[11:41] <IIIEars> Windowsis really only good for gaming
[11:41] <goldfish> u can ssh to your box
[11:41] <Funraiser> IIIEars, well Cedega works very well
[11:41] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: ok ty
[11:42] <Funraiser> IIIEars, i've been playing max payne 2 on my ubuntu, it works perfeclty
[11:42] <goldfish> anytime i run cedega the resolution is all borked :/
[11:42] <Goliath24> goldfish, tga: I changed the -S setting in hdparm.conf and did a /etc/init.d/hdparm restart... but still it powers down to quickly
[11:42] <IIIEars> I fought with Wine regedit last nigh - it's tough to use linux for games
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: have you tried putty?
[11:42] <Funraiser> IIIEars, did u try Cedega?
[11:42] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: yeah
[11:42] <IIIEars> No
[11:42] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: thats because of directX
[11:43] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: i use it when im in windows
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: how is it?
[11:43] <IIIEars> Sounds like i need it.
[11:43] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: fine.
[11:43] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: ok b/c my school runs winblow$
[11:43] <goldfish> ah right, yeah, its fine
[11:44] <goldfish> just stick in the ip, port number, connect
[11:44] <goldfish> there u go
[11:44] <IIIEars> Cedega is inexpensive - very nice
[11:44] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: are u behind a router?
[11:44] <dataw0lf|w> 'winblow$' ?
[11:44] <Funraiser> i tried like 10 game demos on ubuntu with cedega, 8 worked perfectly...see http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Category:Games
[11:44] <hybrid_goth> ok ty soo much
[11:44] <holycow> IIIEars, glad to hear you like ubuntu :) debian/ubuntu sure make it nice easy and polished
[11:45] <holycow> IIIEars, i can't wait until we start getting support for some of the xorg features, where say the menues and windows jiggle and the like
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: yes
[11:45] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: you might need to forward port 22 on your router
[11:45] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - is amazing.
[11:45] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: winblow$ is windows from a windows hater stand
[11:46] <artax> hola feos
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> goldfish: ok
[11:46] <Nalioth> dadblasted Tiger keeps eating my yaboot
[11:46] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: I know what it is, but I never knew an OS could 'blow'.
[11:46] <dataw0lf|w> Apparently, I'm picking up Windows tonight.
[11:46] <goldfish> hehe
[11:46] <GhostFreeman> how can I check what version of the ATI drivers I am running?
[11:46] <hybrid_goth> whats windows?
[11:46] <IIIEars> Need for Speed II is on the list of working games :)
[11:47] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: What adults say when they speak of an OS that people say is terrible but have no real reason for doing so.
[11:47] <dataw0lf|w> If you know what you're doing, an OS doesn't 'blow'.
[11:47] <dataw0lf|w> That's called 'PEBKAC'.
[11:47] <dataw0lf|w> fyi.
[11:47] <selutha> onekill
[11:47] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: blah well windows over works my fan so it blows
[11:47] <dataw0lf|w> pebkac.
[11:47] <Funraiser> yeah what's windows?
[11:47] <onekill> selutha!!
[11:48] <selutha> onekill, RAWR!
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> pebkac my ass
[11:48] <IIIEars> Windows is okay - just too many exploits aimed at it. Install, Connect, Reinstall...
[11:48] <GhostFreeman> i think its what you play games on
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> GhostFreeman: heh
[11:48] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: I doubt if pebkac applies to your ass, but whatever you say.
[11:48] <dataw0lf|w> roll with it.
[11:49] <a_peck> hey all. can you tell me where is the apache root dir by default? (apache 1.3 ubuntu hoary, installed with synaptic) can't be sure :(
[11:49] <Funraiser> i'm not going to buy Longhorn to play games though, xp and cedega will be fine for like the next 5 years
[11:49] <holycow> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots  <-- IIIEars  check that out
[11:49] <sjohnson> what file system would you recommend i format my 120 GIG drive for mp3s/ movies, etc
[11:49] <dataw0lf|w> sjohnson: ext3.
[11:49] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: you see more pebkac in linux though
[11:49] <goldfish> a_peck: /var/www/ ?
[11:49] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: Sure, especially from the ubuntu community.
[11:49] <goldfish> hmmmm maybe not
[11:49] <dataw0lf|w> I don't use Linux because of 'Winblow$'
[11:49] <a_peck> goldfish, 'tis. Thx!
[11:50] <transgress> i don't get it... why all the people that are on linux channels using hydrairc
[11:50] <dataw0lf|w> I use Linux because it's free, it's open source, and I do the majority of my contracts for Linux or Unix platforms.
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: there is b/c linux has to be messed up by the user windows...?
[11:50] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: Are you saying Windows is idiot proof?
[11:50] <dataw0lf|w> *chuckle*
[11:50] <holycow> dataw0lf, really? sweet!  do you mind me asking what type of work?
[11:50] <GhostFreeman> internet fight
[11:50] <dataw0lf|w> Ok, brotha.
[11:50] <holycow> dataw0lf, no, windows is an idiot magnet tho
[11:50] <holycow> :)
[11:51] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: I'm a system administrator fulltime at a aerial photogrammetry / orth rectification company (Aero-Graphics), in my spare time I do low level C work, mostly.
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: NO i am saying more problems go wrong with _windows_ the linux the linux problems are usually pebkac
[11:51] <dataw0lf|w> drivers, etc.
[11:51] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: Apparently you haven't worked in Linux long enough.
[11:51] <holycow> dataw0lf, very cool :)
[11:51] <zxc> any idea how to get X-Chat to open all your channels on start up?
[11:51] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: 0_o
[11:52] <Nalioth> zxc somewhere in the prefs is a place to put all that you wish to happen
[11:52] <dataw0lf|w> zxc: add them to whichever server in 'channels to join' like so : #channel1,#channel2,#channel3
[11:52] <dataw0lf|w> no spaces.
[11:52] <fluideye> hey guys, can anyone try and help me get sound on my notebook
[11:53] <dataw0lf|w> Anyways, I think we've had this discussion on ubuntu forums too many times regarding uneducated Windows bashing.
[11:53] <fluideye> i've tried the forums and howto and no success
[11:53] <IIIEars> Can i change the platform/application name given to IRC?
[11:53] <SuperLag> Is it possible to net install Ubuntu from floppies, like you could with Debian?
[11:53] <dataw0lf|w> IIIEars: insofar as what? Nautilus? Firefox?
[11:53] <Nalioth> SuperLag, anything is possible, but WHY?
[11:53] <garnertr> hello everyone... :)
[11:54] <Funraiser> bye all
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> SELECT * FROM windows WHERE clue >0
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> 0 rows returned
[11:54] <dataw0lf|w> Wow.
[11:54] <holycow> heh
[11:54] <SuperLag> Nalioth: because there is no CD-ROM in the machine I want to put it on
[11:54] <onekill> my problem is that i have sound but when another sound from another program (like gaim) the soud turns to static any ideas?????????????
[11:54] <IIIEars> anything that doesn't say i am new to linux and likely have misconfigured something. - lol
[11:54] <dataw0lf|w> SELECT * FROM ubuntu WHERE ubuntu.clue > debian.clue
[11:54] <dataw0lf|w> 0 rows returned
[11:55] <goldfish> lol
[11:55] <holycow> thats okay, at lest they are trying something new
[11:55] <dataw0lf|w> Hey, I like Ubuntu.
[11:55] <dataw0lf|w> And the community.
[11:55] <dataw0lf|w> thus my participation in the forums.
[11:55] <hybrid_goth> i second that
[11:55] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone here know if firefox 1.0.4 will soon be packaged for ubuntu ?
[11:55] <holycow> windows users are equally stuck up about their platform
[11:55] <garnertr> can anyone help me w/ my laptop issue?  My DVDROM is not recognized and I'm somewhat cluess as to why... tia
[11:55] <dataw0lf|w> However, it'd be a lie if we didn't admit that most people using Ubuntu are new to the Linux game.
[11:56] <hybrid_goth> holycow: heh i am very stuck up for linux
[11:56] <garnertr> that would be me!
[11:56] <onekill> I am new to linix I will admit it
[11:56] <goldfish> me too
[11:56] <garnertr> dito
[11:56] <hybrid_goth> semi-new
[11:56] <holycow> dataw0lf, looking at the questions in here, i would say ubuntu proves that you don't need technical profficiency to actually use it and configure it
[11:56] <dataw0lf|w> I've been using Linux since 1998, I just like to hassle people.
[11:56] <SuperLag> Arrogance isn't becoming for the Linux community.  It does more harm than good.
[11:56] <Nalioth> SuperLag, so nfs mount a cdrom from a neighboring machine
[11:56] <IIIEars> holycow - most windows help channels are endless hours of chat about viruses and trojan horse programs.
[11:56] <dataw0lf|w> SuperLag: I agree.
[11:56] <holycow> hybrid_goth, i'm a zealot too, but i don't preach
[11:57] <Nalioth> IIIEars, you mean "whining"?
[11:57] <holycow> SuperLag, i agree too, the basic problem is your dealing with humans
[11:57] <SuperLag> Nalioth: that doesn't eliminate the need to boot from a floppy.
[11:57] <IIIEars> lol - yes
[11:57] <holycow> IIIEars, heh *nod*
[11:57] <dataw0lf|w> Ok, that's my 5 minutes of speaking in #ubuntu.
[11:57] <Nalioth> SuperLag, floppies it is
[11:58] <yyc747> I have two questions: firstly, is the freenx server packaged for ubuntu in universe, and secondly, does the offical windows NX client have an installer, or can the client be downloaded seperately?
[11:58] <garnertr> My laptop's DVD rom is not being "seen" by Ubuntu and I don't have a clue why...
[11:59] <hybrid_goth> well thats my $.02 in ubuntu
[11:59] <dataw0lf|w> yyc747: 1) No, 2) Unsure.
[11:59] <hybrid_goth> garnertr: is it mounted
[11:59] <hybrid_goth> **have you tried to
[11:59] <garnertr> how would I determine if it is "mounted"?