[12:01] <Diablo-D3> thats why I cleaned my workstation out and reinstalled ubuntu from scratch
[12:02] <kay> I am running 2 machines crossgraded and one from scratch
[12:02] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: hda1 is a fresh ext3 with kubuntu
[12:02] <Diablo-D3> I wanted the pure wholesome vitaman D goodness that is ubuntu
[12:02] <kay> Barely differences, apt rocks
[12:02] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: try grabbing a new ubuntu cd
[12:03] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: i could try a boot disk (floppy) but i'm so lazy ;-)
[12:03] <Diablo-D3> bergfloh: like, a really new one, and see if the bug is still there
[12:03] <kay> You would also debootstrap it to a chroot
[12:03] <R0bNyc> only got 1 machine for linux full-time
[12:03] <Diablo-D3> I have two machines linux full-time... one of which is my laptop ;)
[12:04] <R0bNyc> Linux lacks a lot of stuff windows doesnt vice-versa
[12:04] <bergfloh> Diablo-D3: i also have a few systems full-time linux, whatever full-time means -> 365 days up a year? 3 years running... lol
[12:04] <Diablo-D3> I find that windows lacks too much stuff to be used
[12:04] <transgress> anyone know where amarok keeps it's file info?  it keeps giving me an error, but i can't find a way to clear the item that's causing the problem off the playlist
[12:04] <transgress> err collection
[12:04] <R0bNyc> only if that wine or crossoffice crap worked
[12:04] <Diablo-D3> like a decent window manager and desktop environment
[12:04] <Diablo-D3> and a good gcc port
[12:04] <Diablo-D3> its also missing native X
[12:04] <R0bNyc> lol
[12:04] <kay> Heh, Kubuntu dropped to only 24th on distrowatch
[12:05] <R0bNyc> yes linux is more powerful
[12:05] <Diablo-D3> oh, and it doesnt have a good firewall either
[12:05] <R0bNyc> Diablo-D3, lol i dont need 1
[12:05] <Diablo-D3> and it sucks at packet routing
[12:05] <R0bNyc> ok thats geeky stuff now how about desktop
[12:05] <Diablo-D3> kay: Im not even sure why they even count kubuntu as a seperate distro
[12:05] <kay> they do
[12:05] <Diablo-D3> its not
[12:05] <Diablo-D3> R0bNyc: yes, yes it is.
[12:05] <bergfloh> R0bNyc: it's a different world. both have their right to exist. take the best of both worlds an be happy!
[12:05] <Diablo-D3> kde > windows
[12:06] <R0bNyc> yea
[12:06] <kay> You know, Windows is good at what it's good at.
[12:06] <R0bNyc> dual-boot
[12:06] <Diablo-D3> kay: yeah I know. I was thinking about emailing them to request that they merge the two
[12:06] <kay> I just don't have any use for it anymore.
[12:06] <Diablo-D3> kay: because you cant even count half the kubuntu boxen out there, most started as ubuntu, and apt-got installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:07] <kay> Diablo-D3: That's not the deal. It is interest. For Ubuntu there is a lot more than Kubuntu
[12:07] <kay> Maybe with Breezy it will reverse
[12:07] <Diablo-D3> kay: of course, but what Im saying is that its the same damn distro
[12:08] <kay> Diablo-D3: Well, it was announced and stuff, I even downloaded an iso of it, and now you say it is not different :p
[12:09] <luke> it is the distro, it's stupid they have different names for the two. fedora comes with many desktops, they don't change the name of fedora just because you prefer a different desktop
[12:09] <kay> I am thinking of my installations as Kubuntu
[12:09] <Diablo-D3> I think of my installations as kubuntu as well
[12:10] <Diablo-D3> one started its life as debian sid, the other as ubuntu
[12:10] <transgress> i think of mine as pornfinder
[12:10] <kay> Fedora and Ubuntu are exactly different in that one aspect. Support only one thing and do that good
[12:10] <kay> is the Ubuntu thing, Fedora contains (like Debian) as much as possible
[12:11] <Diablo-D3> the thing, though, is that kubuntu doesnt even have its own repo
[12:12] <kay> It's through meta packages only, that's right (and a good thing)
[12:12] <kay> But then UserLinux would be Debian which is not true
[12:12] <Tm_T> hm
[12:12] <Tm_T> Debian <3
[12:13] <kay> what?
[12:13] <Diablo-D3> you know why ubuntu isnt debian?
[12:13] <Diablo-D3> because it has its own repo.
[12:13] <Tm_T> and so on
[12:14] <kay> Ubuntu has Universe.... and a system designed to maintain a minimal fork of Debian
[12:14] <kay> You see, I was on Debian amd64.... wasn't it Debian?
[12:14] <kay> They had to have their own repo, own patches for long and stuff...
[12:14] <_nate> I have a P4 with HT, shouldn't I be using the 686-smp core, not 386?
[12:15] <crimsun> _nate: so install it
[12:15] <_nate> crimsun: ummm, just using synaptic?
[12:15] <crimsun> sure. linux-686-smp
[12:16] <transgress> when you add a kernel using synaptic, does it edit grub for you?  or do you still gotta do that?
[12:16] <_nate> Ummm, will I still be able to boot to the 386 kernel in case it doesn't work?
[12:16] <crimsun> transgress: done for you
[12:16] <kay> transgress: That's the big plus, it does so
[12:16] <crimsun> _nate: yes
[12:16] <transgress> okay... which kernel do i need to get for athlon-xp?  figure might as well get it to see all my ram heh
[12:16] <transgress> k7?
[12:17] <_nate> crimsun: excellent, thanks
[12:17] <kay> transgress: 1g?
[12:17] <crimsun> transgress: yes, linux-k7
[12:17] <transgress> eh?
[12:17] <transgress> okay i don't see it actually... 
[12:17] <transgress> ah there it is
[12:17] <transgress> hiding
[12:17] <kay> You have 1G RAM?
[12:18] <transgress> yes
[12:18] <Tm_T> hmm who don't have?
[12:18] <luke> 512 ram is good
[12:18] <Tm_T> not enough ;)
[12:18] <transgress> 512 works... but i never actually have to go into my swap with a gig heh
[12:18] <kay> Hm, do Ubuntu kernels enable large mem stuff?
[12:19] <Tm_T> kay: I think so
[12:19] <transgress> kay: not the 386 kernel... but the one that is actually for your proc will
[12:19] <kay> ah, i see
[12:19] <luke> I've never been into swap with 512. half of my 512 thats being used is cache
[12:19] <kay> I have compiled my own ever since
[12:19] <transgress> Mem:           885        875         10          0        445        144
[12:20] <transgress> i'm getting close
[12:20] <transgress> i would be breaking 512
[12:20] <transgress> oh wait... not i wouldn't
[12:20] <transgress> heh
[12:20] <kay> Oh the laptop I couldn't afford more than 512
[12:20] <transgress> wait... if i install linux-k7 am i going to have to reinstall fglrx?
[12:20] <kay> or well, i thought it is not worth the price :p
[12:21] <transgress> kay: yeah i know what you mean... my lappy only has 512... 
[12:21] <luke> why don't I have a swap space? 
[12:21] <transgress> you don't have swap space?
[12:21] <transgress> did you set up your own partitions?
[12:21] <luke> apparently not
[12:21] <luke> no
[12:21] <kay> I read something about how that makes you slower on kerneltrap
[12:21] <_nate> how can i tell how much ram my os sees?
[12:22] <transgress> _nate: free -m
[12:22] <transgress> kay: what makes you run slower?
[12:22] <kay> transgress: Not having swap is actually bad for 2.6
[12:22] <_nate> it only sees 885 of my memory
[12:22] <transgress> heh somehow mine disappeared on my server at one point
[12:22] <_nate> weird
[12:23] <transgress> _nate: that's because you are running the 386 kernel
[12:23] <kay> That's normal for -368 then
[12:23] <transgress> _nate: what type of processor do you have?
[12:23] <_nate> transgress: P4 w/ HT
[12:23] <_nate> upgrading to 686 now
[12:23] <transgress> _nate: you need linux-686
[12:23] <luke> anyone know where my swap might have gone? :p
[12:23] <transgress> or does HT need 686-smp?  iuno
[12:23] <kay> or even -smp
[12:24] <kay> Dunno if HT is really worth it... but won't harm to try
[12:24] <_nate> i'm getting 686-smp
[12:24] <morten> Greetings.. was wondering... how do you install that superkaramba thingie ?
[12:24] <transgress> luke: is it in your fstab?  cat /etc/fstab and see
[12:24] <_nate> it'll help for threaded programs
[12:24] <transgress> morten: sudo apt-get install superkaramba
[12:24] <_nate> but really won't affect non-threaded programs
[12:24] <morten> seems to easy :P
[12:24] <_nate> at least thats what i hear
[12:25] <transgress> morten: nope... then you just store the themes somewhere and then use superkaramba to load the theme
[12:25] <kay> Well, KDE should about always run something
[12:25] <morten> ... Think that will be the hard part..
[12:25] <morten> have absoloutly no idea what to do :)
[12:25] <transgress> i am still wanting to know if i have to reinstall things because i'm changing my kernel image
[12:25] <luke> transgress, theres a swap partition there, but it isn't mounted
[12:25] <transgress> mkswap /dev/thatpartition
[12:26] <transgress> luke: if shit starts breaking suddenly then something is terribly wrong
[12:26] <kay> transgress: I would be disappointed if that were the case
[12:26] <_nate> transgress: i'm concerned about it in my case too
[12:26] <transgress> kay: my main concern is the fglrx module for my ati card... it took an act of god to get it working
[12:26] <_nate> transgress: but i figure if it doesn't specify a kernel in the package, then forget it
[12:26] <transgress> well i think fglrx might
[12:27] <kay> transgress: Is it really needed, I am about willing to believe, I didn't do it and still use gflrx
[12:27] <transgress> k
[12:27] <transgress> is what really needed?
[12:27] <kay> But who knows, I don't really do 3D, may not be accelerated or so
[12:28] <transgress> kay: fglrxinfo ... if it says mesa then it isn't... if it says ati then it is
[12:28] <luke> no problems transgress, where should my swap be mounted? and how can I set it to mount at startup?
[12:28] <transgress> i play unreal and my clan is happy to have me back
[12:28] <transgress> luke: it should have mounted if it is in fstab, unless noauto is listed next to it
[12:28] <kay> ah... i am not into gaming
[12:28] <transgress> luke: you don't mount it... you just do mkswap /dev/swappartition 
[12:29] <transgress> swappartition being what was listed in fstab
[12:29] <transgress> and hope to god nothing else somehow started using that space
[12:29] <luke> hmm I did mkswap, didn't do a thing
[12:30] <transgress> bleh i had to do custom partitions... need a /boot and could not for the life of me allow 2.7 gigs of swap
[12:30] <luke> it's not mounted, the filesystem is swap, and the options are just sw
[12:30] <transgress> hmm
[12:30] <transgress> wait maybe it's swapon /dev/swappartition
[12:30] <transgress> or something
[12:30] <transgress> let me look
[12:31] <_nate> transgress: you know that there's a repo with the fglrx on it, makes installing it and getting it running a snap
[12:31] <_nate> transgress: and I can play wolfenstein on it
[12:31] <transgress> _nate: i used it... still took an act of god... something was causing problems
[12:32] <transgress> luke: yeah it's swapon
[12:32] <luke> ok I'll try that
[12:33] <_nate> transgress: odd
[12:34] <luke> yay swap!
[12:34] <transgress> is there an OSS voice chat client?
[12:35] <luke> will my swap turn on automatically whenever I boot?
[12:35] <transgress> it should
[12:35] <luke> ok
[12:37] <_nate> transgress: i think teamspeak uses oss, if thats what you mean
[12:37] <_nate> transgress: and i think with skype you might be able to select oss
[12:39] <transgress> _nate: wrong OSS... i meant open source software heh
[12:39] <transgress> _nate: but thanks
[12:39] <_nate> transgress: skype is free
[12:39] <crimsun> transgress: I usually use the FLOSS acronym for that
[12:40] <transgress> FLOSS?  i've seen F/OSS but not FLOSS
[12:40] <transgress> yes skype is free... but i like open source too
[12:40] <kay> how can i have flash with kubuntu?
[12:40] <transgress> i try to limit my use of proprietary crap
[12:41] <kay> I do as well, but there is funnyfox.org
[12:42] <kay> Esp. not having flash means no ads
[12:43] <transgress> skype fucks up my mic... 
[12:44] <transgress> booting a new kernel brb
[12:46] <_nate> 244 files downloading
[12:46] <_nate> including a kernel
[12:49] <transgress> well then
[12:49] <transgress> it's nice to see a whole gig of ram
[12:49] <_nate> lol, cool
[12:49] <_nate> i'm downloading my kernel and 243 other files right now
[12:49] <_nate> sloooooow
[12:49] <luke> how fast is your connection?
[12:50] <transgress> 243 files?
[12:50] <_nate> 386 KB/s
[12:50] <transgress> what in god's name did you get?
[12:50] <_nate> transgress: kde stuff mostly
[12:50] <transgress> _nate: i see... like all of it heh?
[12:50] <_nate> and gaim, and some gimp stuff
[12:50] <_nate> transgress: lol
[12:51] <_nate> transgress: I have 120 gigs, I don't even fill up 20 when my system is packed
[12:51] <_nate> i don't even fill up 6
[12:51] <_nate> so, a few usful utilities is cool with me
[12:51] <transgress> i have 80 gigs and i'm about to pop in a 300 gig
[12:51] <luke> theres so many programs to be downloaded, and they don't use up much space
[12:52] <transgress> so i can keep downloading music and not worry about space ever
[12:52] <_nate> ha
[12:52] <transgress> after that 300 gigs i'll probably eventually get another 300 gigger ... raid and have some fun
[12:52] <_nate> luke: indeed, but I know what I like, and I only download those that i like
[12:52] <_nate> transgress: you're insane
[12:52] <transgress> _nate: heh my boss has like 4 computers with around 1000 gigs in them
[12:53] <luke> I have a mate who has 5 200gig sata drives, and a motherboard that doesn't support sata:p
[12:53] <_nate> transgress: thats a lot of music
[12:53] <Tm_T> hmm, now I feel myself old...
[12:53] <transgress> luke: he just using them as IDE's?
[12:54] <luke> nah he's got them stored. he was the first person to get them in nz apparently
[12:55] <Tm_T> how I can tell apt-get to hold some apps in specified version
[12:56] <Tm_T> I know I should know this one =)
[12:57] <teleyinex> hi
[12:57] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:57] <teleyinex> I have installed kubuntu in hoary and all went bad
[12:58] <Tm_T> what?
[12:58] <morten> damn, using Superkaramba is damn easy... now i just have to figure out  what theams I want to use
[12:58] <teleyinex> I like a lot gnome, but one friend of mine doesnt stop of talking about kde and I give a try
[12:58] <Tm_T> karamba is too heavy :/
[12:58] <teleyinex> the problem was with all
[12:58] <teleyinex> konqueror duplicate my files in my home folder
[12:58] <Tm_T> eh?
[12:58] <teleyinex> kaffeine doesnt start
[12:59] <Tm_T> I never used kaffeine
[12:59] <teleyinex> when i use korganize I get errors when I was using ical remote calendars
[12:59] <Tm_T> I'm old fashioned, I use mplayer from terminal ;p
[12:59] <morten> Any alternatives to superkaramba ?
[12:59] <teleyinex> so I have deinstalled and im now with my Gnome
[12:59] <Tm_T> morten: hah, try torsmo
[01:00] <teleyinex> I have come hear to tell this, cause what happend to me could be some bugs
[01:00] <teleyinex> I dunno, but now someone could know
[01:00] <teleyinex> nothing more
[01:00] <teleyinex> cya!
[01:00] <Tm_T> morten: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_020.png torsmo in upper right
[01:01] <morten> hehe, some wallpaper you got ya self there, boy :p
[01:01] <Tm_T> gimped it myself o/
[01:02] <Tm_T> morten: there's more in http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/graphics/
[01:02] <morten> :) well... looks to boring for me...
[01:02] <Tm_T> and even more in my HD
[01:02] <morten> Dont need any power anyways.. only play mud... dosen't that THAT much machine power :p
[01:03] <Tm_T> boring?
[01:03] <morten> indeed..
[01:03] <morten> but ... Can't find any other tings todo...
[01:03] <Tm_T> well, if you like to use heavy candy, go for it and use karamba then =)
[01:04] <morten> hehe.. well..
[01:05] <morten> Maybe I'll use ... Torsmo one day... rightnow all this linux-thingie is all new to me...
[01:05] <morten> And Superkaramba is VERY easy to use :P
[01:10] <luke> Tim_T whats the wolf thingi?
[01:10] <Tm_T> morten: hmm, you mean it have gui?
[01:11] <morten> Something like that....
[01:11] <Tm_T> heh
[01:11] <morten> :D
[01:12] <Tm_T> di you noticed nice irc client thing in that screenshot?
[01:12] <morten> yeah..
[01:12] <Tm_T> :)
[01:12] <morten> Thats looks sweet... :)
[01:12] <sirukin> http://cambay.blogspot.com
[01:12] <sirukin> meh weblog
[01:13] <Tm_T> meh?
[01:13] <_nate> ok, suddenly i'm using kde 3.4
[01:13] <sirukin> :p
[01:14] <Tm_T> who-a
[01:14] <_nate> anyone know how to add the time to the bottom bar?
[01:14] <Tm_T> _nate: that's easy
[01:14] <morten> right click... and add....
[01:14] <luke> how do you change the kmenu icon?
[01:14] <morten> rightclick on the buttonbar that is...
[01:14] <Tm_T> luke: hmm, easily?
[01:15] <Tm_T> luke: just edit kmenu.png
[01:15] <luke> ..
[01:15] <Tm_T> yes, it is that simple
[01:15] <luke> where is that? 
[01:16] <Tm_T> luke: there where icons are, /usr/share/icons
[01:16] <luke> thanks
[01:16] <_nate> Tm_T: how do I add it then?
[01:16] <luke> right click on panel add > applet > clock
[01:16] <_nate> ahhh
[01:16] <_nate> haha
[01:17] <_nate> yeah, didn't see that
[01:17] <Tm_T> haha
[01:17] <luke> :)
[01:17] <Tm_T> _nate: hmm, have you checked your eyes recently?
[01:17] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:17] <morten> *grin*
[01:17] <_nate> Tm_T: actually I have, turns out i'm really really farsighted
[01:17] <_nate> still gettin used to the glasses
[01:18] <Tm_T> heh
[01:18] <Tm_T> I haven't used glasses but I do have one =)
[01:18] <Tm_T> maybe I should buy new ones and use 'em
[01:19] <transgress> bleh... usb mic doesn't wanna work and my other mic just stopped working
[01:23] <luke> how do I restart the kde panel?
[01:23] <_nate> man, 3.4 is pretty tight
[01:24] <Ixion83> Hi :)
[01:24] <Ixion83> IYou are not afraid by the slower of i386 distribution as Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Debian ?
[01:26] <luke> anyone know how to restart the kde panel?
[01:26] <_nate> what Ixion83 ?
[01:27] <Ixion83> the slower...
[01:27] <transgress> bleh
[01:27] <transgress> guess my mic is broken
[01:27] <morten> I'm out - May the force be with you ....:D
[01:27] <luke> cya
[01:27] <Ixion83> Why Kubuntu is not optimized i686 ????
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> Ixion83: because it is.
[01:28] <_nate> uh-oh, my desktop just went all weird
[01:28] <_nate> it changed a bunch of colors
[01:29] <_nate> holy crap, this is messed up
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> Ixion83: gcc produces the same results for -march=686 and what it uses now for ubuntu 99% of the time
[01:29] <Ixion83> ubuntu package are on i386
[01:29] <Ixion83> not i686
[01:29] <Ixion83> :(
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> see above comment.
[01:30] <Ixion83> I'm sorry but i386 code is more slower than i686
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> and they may say i386, but that doesnt mean they are compiled for i386
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> they use -march=i486 -mtune=pentium now iirc
[01:30] <Ixion83> All my distrib i686 are more speed than i386
[01:30] <_nate> holy cow, i think i686 just messed up my display like crazy
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> Ixion83: and thats bullshit, and we both know that.
[01:30] <Tm_T> ehh
[01:30] <_nate> i don't know what to do
[01:31] <transgress> _nate: how so?
[01:31] <_nate> transgress: ummm, the background is funky colors
[01:31] <_nate> transgress: if I move the window it gets filled with pink
[01:31] <Tm_T> haha
[01:31] <_nate> transgress: all effects are messed up
[01:31] <Ixion83> Diablo-D3, there is enormous different of speed between a package i386 and i686
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> uh
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> Ixion83: there isnt.
[01:31] <Ixion83> you can't say other thing
[01:32] <_nate> i think the nvidia drivers might not be optimized for 686
[01:32] <_nate> ugh
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> _nate: they use a lot of runtime selected hand tuned assembly
[01:32] <_nate> can someone please help me trouble-shoot this?
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> _nate: press control-alt-backspace
[01:34] <_nate> that sorta worked
[01:34] <_nate> for now
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> control-alt-backspace restarts X when you screw it up
[01:34] <_nate> yeah, i didn't screw it up afaik
[01:35] <_nate> unless nvidia drivers don't mesh with 686
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> for the record, nvidia drivers suck
[01:35] <_nate> ha
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> mainly because they don't care about linux
[01:35] <luke> I have 686 my nvidia drivers are fine
[01:35] <transgress> don't listen to diablo
[01:36] <_nate> brb
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> yeah, nvidia stuff works on some machines fine
[01:36] <Tm_T> luke: here the same
[01:36] <transgress> if you want 3d and have an nvidia card... the nvidia drivers will do you fine
[01:36] <Tm_T> yep
[01:36] <transgress> Diablo-D3 is just a fucking troll
[01:36] <transgress> who seriously needs a banning
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> and it completely bombs on others
[01:36] <Tm_T> haha
[01:36] <Tm_T> transgress: pliis tnkjuu
[01:37] <transgress> Tm_T: what?
[01:37] <transgress> _nate: try reinstalling or reconfiguring your nvidia... 
[01:38] <Tm_T> transgress: please thankyou ;p
[01:38] <_nate> transgress: I didn't enable the drivers
[01:38] <_nate> transgress: my bad
[01:38] <transgress> Tm_T: if i only had ops he'da been gone when he told someone he was too stupid to compile a kernel and doing so would break his system
[01:38] <Tm_T> :)
[01:39] <luke> thats not nice
[01:44] <transgress> luke: what isn't?
[01:44] <transgress> saying a troll should be banned?
[01:44] <Tm_T> transgress: please thankyou etc =)
[01:45] <luke> nah telling someone they're too stupid to compile a kernel
[01:45] <Tm_T> haha
[01:45] <transgress> oh
[01:46] <transgress> yeah i can't remember who he said that too... that wasn't even the part that pissed me off... it was that he said that it would break his system by even trying
[01:46] <_nate> man, everything broke when kde 3.4 started
[01:46] <transgress> i had to compile my first kernel about 10 times before i got it right... never broke my system... and he starts trying to cover up his bullshit... 
[01:47] <transgress> "oh lilo will eat the old kernel"
[01:47] <transgress> as penn and teller would say "BULLSHIT"
[01:50] <_nate> i wonder how i got kde 3.4 installed
[01:50] <_nate> don't remember installing it before I rebooted
[01:50] <transgress> um... kubuntu comes with 3.4 unless you are on warty
[01:51] <_nate> it did all kinds of configuration stuff once i rebooted
[01:51] <_nate> maybe it was some of that addon stuff
[01:51] <_nate> and it broke my taskbar
[01:51] <_nate> and all my settings were shot
[01:52] <_nate> except for firefox and terminal icons on the bottom bar
[01:53] <Tm_T> btw does anyone got Kaffeine working?
[01:54] <luke> _nate : I had something like that once, when I booted, it ran the first time wizard, I skipped it, and it had changed a couple of settings but not much, so I just changed them back
[01:54] <_nate> yeah, i ran that wizard
[01:54] <_nate> it messed up a bunch
[01:58] <luke> anyone here ever tried wormux?
[01:58] <ixion83> Re :)
[01:59] <ixion83> Diablo-D3: I'm on Kubuntu :)
[01:59] <ixion83> I try it :)
[01:59] <sirukin> I think we're all using Kubuntu here...
[01:59] <sirukin> otherwise why stay?
[01:59] <ixion83> The start is slow ...
[02:01] <luke> ixion83:  ^_^ mine isn't slow
[02:01] <ixion83> :)
[02:02] <luke> what proccessor have you got?
[02:02] <ixion83> Athlon xp 2800+ 1024 Mo RAM
[02:02] <ixion83> GeForce 6800 GT 256 Mo :)
[02:02] <ixion83> only that :'(
[02:03] <luke> why would kde be slow with that?
[02:03] <ixion83> The start of Kubuntu is slow !!! :(
[02:04] <Tm_T> what?
[02:04] <Tm_T> ixion83: slow? how slow?
[02:04] <ixion83> My ArchLinux is fast
[02:04] <ixion83> Gentoo too ...
[02:04] <ixion83> But Mandriva and kubuntu/Ubuntu it's afraid
[02:04] <Tm_T> hmm, that tell me nothing
[02:05] <Tm_T> give me times please
[02:05] <ixion83> lol Tm_T
[02:05] <ixion83> :)
[02:05] <transgress> kubuntu starts pretty fast for me
[02:05] <Tm_T> "x is fast but b is slow" ok, I got it(?)
[02:05] <ubuntu> speaking of slow start, i tried installing runit and runitrun which are supposed to speed up boot time and now it shutsdown while it is booting up. anyone know how to fix this? im in the livecd right now.
[02:05] <ixion83> but Kubuntu is very User friendly ...
[02:05] <ixion83> it's good
[02:05] <ixion83> :)
[02:06] <luke> mine is very responsive. amd sempron 2500 and geforce 4 mx 440
[02:06] <luke> o and 512 ram
[02:06] <ixion83> huuum ...
[02:06] <ixion83> but how is the start ?
[02:07] <luke> not bad
[02:07] <ixion83> ok ...
[02:08] <luke> not as fast as windows starting up, but at least as soon as it starts up, I can use it. with windows after it starts up you have to wait another minute until you can use it
[02:08] <ixion83> Huum for install Nvidia video drivers I install with Kynaptic or from nvidia.com ?
[02:08] <luke> use synaptic, and install nvidia-glx I think
[02:09] <ixion83> ok :)
[02:09] <Tm_T> ixion83: you got the point then, we really can't know what slow means when you say it if you don't give time or something ;)
[02:09] <Tm_T> ixion83: no, use apt-get
[02:09] <Tm_T> easier, really
[02:09] <ixion83> apt-get nvidia-glx ?
[02:09] <luke> too true
[02:10] <Tm_T> yes
[02:10] <Tm_T> as root/ sudo it
[02:10] <ixion83> Why with Kynaptic there is no install bar when it installs update ?
[02:10] <luke> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:10] <ubuntu> cause kynaptic sucks, use synaptic
[02:10] <ixion83> thanks luke 
[02:10] <ixion83> But they will update Kynaptic no ?? :)
[02:11] <ubuntu> eventually, but its not very good right now
[02:11] <Tm_T> hmm, you really don't need that gui :)
[02:11] <ixion83> huuum ... I'm using Synaptic for update all my system at the moment OOooops lol
[02:11] <ubuntu> thats ok, you need to do that anyway
[02:11] <ixion83> yes :)
[02:11] <ixion83> 256 Mo of updates
[02:11] <ixion83> good :)
[02:12] <Tm_T> :)
[02:12] <ixion83> There is more updates than my ArchLinux or Windows XP :)
[02:12] <ixion83> lol
[02:12] <Tm_T> little poll, why you use gui rather than terminal/Konsole
[02:13] <luke> I use either Tim_T
[02:13] <Nub> anyone home?
[02:13] <ubuntu> cause terminal doesnt display descriptions or search as well. and synaptic has smart update
[02:13] <ixion83> Because Gui is more "beautiful" :)
[02:14] <ixion83> And if we wants to have many users of Linux we need to develop GUI ... :) but keep console :)
[02:14] <Tm_T> luke: eh, Tim?
[02:14] <Nub> how can i get tulip_core.c on a box that needs it to connect to the internet?
[02:14] <luke> Tim_T: I use either gui or konsole
[02:14] <Tm_T> ubuntu: eh, you can see descriptions and you can search and ...
[02:14] <transgress> Nub: cd
[02:14] <Nub> i'm stuck in some technological paradox
[02:14] <Nub> what package?
[02:15] <Tm_T> luke: why you call me Tim?
[02:15] <ubuntu> i know, but its much more efficient to do it in the gui with just one click, instead of typing everything out every time. i said it doesent do it as well.
[02:15] <Nub> i tried finding it with apt-get, no package named tulip
[02:15] <Tm_T> ubuntu: hmm, actually I do it faster and more efficient in Konsole than with gui
[02:15] <luke> oh haha my mind does that sometimes.. I know a few tims, I thought there was an 'i' in your name:p
[02:15] <ixion83> I need to reboot after install of updates ?
[02:16] <ubuntu> no
[02:16] <Tm_T> reboot?
[02:16] <ixion83> lol :)
[02:16] <Tm_T> _reboot_ ??
[02:16] <Nub> transgress: what package would that reside in?
[02:16] <ixion83> I know : Linux don't know whats it's a reboot lol
[02:16] <transgress> Nub: iuno... let me see if i can find it
[02:16] <Nub>  transgress: thanks
[02:17] <Tm_T> ixion83: oh yes we does, when you change kernel
[02:17] <ubuntu> i remember using yum from console, and it was a pain in the ass. i ussually use apt from terminal when i know what package i want to install and its faster than openeing up another app
[02:17] <ixion83> lol
[02:17] <transgress> Nub: maybe libtulipd-2.0-dev but that isn't on the install... you'll have to burn it to another cd or something
[02:17] <Tm_T> luke: hmm, try /whois Tm_T ;)
[02:17] <Nub> transgress: boo
[02:17] <ubuntu> actually, i heard it was possible to load another kernel without rebooting.
[02:17] <Nub> i'll try to do that
[02:17] <Tm_T> luke: yes, ther is "i" in my name, somewhere...
[02:18] <transgress> Nub: boo hoo?
[02:18] <transgress> ubuntu: where did you hear that?
[02:18] <ubuntu> dont remember
[02:18] <Nub> transgress: indeed
[02:18] <luke> yeah sorry about that Tm_T :p
[02:19] <Tm_T> luke: it was just amusing ;)
[02:19] <ubuntuperson> so noone knows how to disable runit?
[02:19] <Tm_T> kill it!
[02:20] <ubuntuperson> nope
[02:20] <luke> killall runit
[02:21] <Tm_T> killkilldiedie
[02:21] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[02:21] <ixion83> Why when I install nvidia-glx the system want to parameter cups.... and other ... ????
[02:21] <luke> haha it's hitler!
[02:21] <andypicch> anyone have trouble installing wine in kubuntu
[02:21] <Tm_T> hitler? where?
[02:22] <luke> andypicch: never tried
[02:22] <Tm_T> hmm, why you need wine?
[02:22] <ixion83> huum I restart X ...
[02:22] <andypicch> I am new to linux... so it is probably just my one ignorance
[02:23] <ubuntuperson> why did it not work for you?
[02:23] <andypicch> so that I can run a couple of windows programs
[02:23] <Tm_T> andypicch: such as?
[02:23] <transgress> what couple of programs?
[02:23] <luke> no need for windows in linux!
[02:23] <andypicch> npro
[02:23] <andypicch> for instance
[02:23] <transgress> never heard of it
[02:24] <ubuntuperson> me too
[02:24] <andypicch> it is a pretty sweet news reader
[02:24] <ubuntuperson> there are a million of those for linux
[02:24] <ubuntuperson> rss?
[02:24] <transgress> like kontact
[02:24] <ubuntuperson> or the kicker plugin
[02:24] <andypicch> yeah... thought so... first instint of an old windows guy and all..
[02:24] <transgress> (okay really it's konq, but still)
[02:24] <pussfeller> is there anything needs to be installed to make floppies?
[02:25] <ubuntuperson> no
[02:25] <luke> floppies are gay
[02:25] <pussfeller> im not burning a disk for 12k file
[02:25] <andypicch> I dont even have a working floppy anymore... thats a bit personal
[02:26] <transgress> well you are going to need something to mold the plastic, something to put the little tape crap inside of it, something to make the metal slider... so you'll have to install all of those first before making floppies
[02:26] <ubuntuperson> why dont you use cdrw's?
[02:26] <luke> get a flashdrive, they're always handy
[02:27] <Tm_T> what's wrong with floppy?
[02:27] <ubuntuperson> a 12k file is pretty small, just memorize it
[02:27] <pussfeller> its for my kid at school, i dont think they have usb ports
[02:27] <transgress> floppies are unsafe
[02:27] <Tm_T> pussfeller: use floppy then
[02:27] <pussfeller> floppies casue global warming
[02:27] <transgress> but yeah i won't say not to use floppies...
[02:27] <luke> lol
[02:28] <andypicch> so i dont mean to get all linux 1.01 with y'all but if I find packages on tucows for instance... is there a way to get those thru Kynaptic or Synaptic... I mean do all of these sites have repositories that I can reference in Synaptic
[02:28] <_nate> my kde won't automount my cdrom now
[02:28] <_nate> what a bunch of junk
[02:28] <Tm_T> andypicch: try akregator
[02:28] <andypicch> what is that... for what TM_T
[02:28] <Tm_T> andypicch: for news
[02:28] <Tm_T> _nate: install amd
[02:28] <andypicch> oh... right... that was just an example probably my least needed
[02:29] <Tm_T> :)
[02:29] <ubuntuperson> then what else do you need
[02:29] <ubuntuperson> ?
[02:29] <andypicch> Windows games
[02:29] <ubuntuperson> solitaire?
[02:29] <luke> right click on panel > add > applet > news ticker
[02:29] <Tm_T> there's only _one_ thing why I do have dos pc too
[02:29] <andypicch> no
[02:29] <_nate> Tm_T: Do I really need that?  It worked before
[02:29] <ubuntuperson> cause half life 2 isnt gonna run in wine...
[02:29] <pussfeller> dont floppies auto mount?
[02:30] <Nub> if i apt-get uninstall kde and apt-get install gnome, would the process be the same as reinstalling with ubuntu?
[02:30] <Tm_T> _nate: try
[02:30] <ixion83> 12932 Fps with glwgears in the default windows :)
[02:30] <Tm_T> Nub: nope
[02:30] <Nub> difference?
[02:30] <andypicch> how come ubuntuperson... just curious
[02:30] <ixion83> huum how can I stop KDE without reboot and restart KDE ?
[02:30] <ubuntuperson> how come you cant run halflife 2 in wine?
[02:31] <luke> ixon83: logout
[02:31] <andypicch> yeah... sorry for stupid question... i am new
[02:31] <ixion83> logout and after ?
[02:31] <Tm_T> Nub: all relative packages are still there, try uninstall kubuntu-desktop and install ubuntu-desktop ;p
[02:31] <Nub> thanks
[02:31] <luke> ixon83: login
[02:31] <ixion83> ??? in console
[02:31] <ixion83> how I restart kdm ?
[02:31] <ixion83> kdm ?
[02:32] <luke> not sure
[02:32] <Tm_T> ixion83: tartx
[02:32] <Tm_T> startx I mean
[02:32] <ixion83> tartx ?
[02:32] <ixion83> ok
[02:32] <ixion83> startx on root or user ?
[02:32] <Tm_T> root I think :)
[02:32] <ubuntuperson> because windows games use directX, and directx is not available for linux. you can use cedega for running new windows games, but you will get much better results if you just use windows
[02:32] <ixion83> :D
[02:32] <ixion83> I return
[02:32] <ixion83> I will come back :)
[02:33] <ubuntuperson> cedega emulates translates directx calls to opengl
[02:33] <Tm_T> hmm, why he have to close his client?
[02:33] <andypicch> okay... I can accept that, and that is why I setup my machine to dual boot
[02:33] <ubuntuperson> there are some games which run natively in linux though
[02:34] <andypicch> why do most linux users seem to prefer GNOME over KDE... I pick KDE because it seemed most windows like. I thought GNOME seemed kind of intimidating
[02:34] <ubuntuperson> kde is just better
[02:34] <_nate> ok, my automounting is broken in kde
[02:34] <Diablo-D3> intimidating isnt the word
[02:34] <Diablo-D3> gnome is just fucking retarded
[02:34] <_nate> and I have no idea why
[02:34] <ubuntuperson> crappy?
[02:34] <transgress> they dont andypicch 
[02:34] <_nate> can anyone help?
[02:35] <ubuntuperson> about 65% use KDE
[02:35] <Diablo-D3> I didnt know automounting even worked in kde, _nate 
[02:35] <luke> what are you trying to open?
[02:35] <_nate> Diablo-D3: It did before
[02:35] <andypicch> okay... seemed like it and I read somewhere that KDE was more pop in Europe
[02:35] <Diablo-D3> andypicch: there are more kde users in the world than gnome users
[02:36] <andypicch> okay.. .thanks Diablo
[02:36] <ixion83> re :)
[02:36] <ixion83> I was obliged to change HorizSync and VertRefresh because Kubuntu set a wrong numbers...
[02:36] <andypicch> is there anything else that does what wine does
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> andypicch: yeah, wine. ;)
[02:37] <andypicch> hmmm...
[02:37] <andypicch> picking on the new guy
[02:37] <ubuntuperson> my video card was totally messed up(6600gt), i had to manually edit my xorg.conf in vim and change the driver from nv to vesa. i had to do that on the livecd as well. pain in the ass. when it first boots up it has a bunch of random squares all over the screen.
[02:37] <ixion83> have you got a problem with kdelibsdata ? The update failed !!
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> ubuntuperson: blame nvidia for releasing crappy drivers.
[02:37] <ubuntuperson> no, not nvidias fault
[02:38] <ubuntuperson> i blame kubuntu for not detecting my card properly
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> ubuntuperson: yup, nvidia refuses to open source their drivers.
[02:38] <ixion83> ubuntuperson: Kubuntu detects my GeForce 6800 GT great !
[02:38] <ixion83> I change "nv" to "nvidia"
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> ubuntuperson: the detection is done using nvidia's drivers. You know that, right?
[02:38] <ubuntuperson> thats the thing, when i use the nvidia driver it works perfectly, but the way that kubuntu sets it up is why it didnt work
[02:39] <pussfeller> i cant believe floppies dont auto mount....
[02:39] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: it requires a floppy drive that sends the detect signal
[02:39] <ubuntuperson> it should use vesa for unsupported cards
[02:40] <luke> pussfeller: open media:/ in konq
[02:41] <andypicch> what about development environments... is there something out there that I can develop linux applications in using C# or Visual Basic-like language that you guys would recommend
[02:42] <Diablo-D3> andypicch: no, learn a real language.
[02:42] <andypicch> come on... I know c++ too, but I prefer c#... a real language
[02:44] <andypicch> what is real to you java... perl, have you ever seen C#... it is about an inch from java... I am sure that will stir up some poop for all of you Microsoft haters
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> I've coded in both java and c#
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> and I hate both.
[02:46] <andypicch> do you prefer perl
[02:46] <luke> any idea why my system doesn't pick up my cpu temperature?
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> I prefer perl, sure.
[02:47] <Diablo-D3> And C, and ObjC.
[02:47] <Diablo-D3> luke: you dont have lmsensors properly configured
[02:47] <andypicch> dont know anything about it myself
[02:47] <luke> whats that?
[02:47] <andypicch> I am open to anything, I just use the others because it is my job
[02:48] <Diablo-D3> luke: the cpu tempature thing.
[02:48] <Diablo-D3> andypicch: get mono if you want c#
[02:48] <andypicch> mono... okay thanks
[02:48] <luke> yeah ok, how can I reconfigure it to pick up my cpu temp?
[02:49] <andypicch> hey... you're not wishing mono the disease on my right? that is a real application?
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> yes, its a real application
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> and the disease joke is quite old now
[02:49] <andypicch> oh... new guy... sorry
[02:49] <andypicch> gotta cut me some slack
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> luke: you'll have to rtfm on your own
[02:49] <transgress> i wouldn't suggest trying to hold a conversation with Diablo-D3 ... he's a troll and full of shit on top of that
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> luke: temp sensors vary widly, and are sometimes very hard to correctly configure
[02:50] <ixion83> I search amule or QT frontend of Amule ... apt-get ?? :)
[02:50] <ircbot_> Diablo-D3: if you are going to tell people that you should at least help by giving them a link... otherwise it's more polite to not respond
[02:50] <andypicch> well I am speaking to the entire room... he is the only one nice enough to answer right now
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> ixion83: apt-cache search amule
[02:50] <ixion83> thanks
[02:51] <ixion83> no amule :)
[02:51] <Diablo-D3> ixion83: have universe and multiverse added?
[02:51] <andypicch> i dont really need a link... I can do the research... I dont mind
[02:52] <ixion83> universe ? multiverse ? what is it :)
[02:52] <Diablo-D3> ixion83: ubuntu repos
[02:52] <ixion83> --- /etc/apt/sources.list Diablo-D3 ?
[02:53] <andypicch> can you add those in the synaptic interface Diable
[02:53] <andypicch> Diablo... sorry
[02:53] <Diablo-D3> universe contains repackaged debian debs, multiverse contains repackaged debian non-free debs
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> yeah you can iirc
[02:54] <ixion83> where can I find multiverse ? I have already universe :)
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> or its something you can
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> ixion83: just add multiverse to your list
[02:54] <ixion83> I add universe...
[02:55] <Diablo-D3> like, I use deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:55] <ixion83> I have add...
[02:55] <ixion83> huuuum ok !!!
[02:56] <Tm_T> :)
[02:56] <ixion83> huum and updates for universe or multiverse ?
[02:56] <Diablo-D3> ?
[02:56] <ixion83> security
[02:57] <ixion83> I mean security sorry :)
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> there is no security for universe or multiverse
[02:57] <ixion83> ok :)
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> just for main and restricted
[02:57] <ixion83> hoary-updates
[02:57] <ixion83> why you don't have that ?
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> I do
[02:57] <Diablo-D3> its yet another line.
[02:58] <ixion83> o
[02:58] <ixion83> k
[03:01] <andypicch> I just added the universe stuff... why do all of the apps from universe have stars beside them in synaptic
[03:02] <Diablo-D3> dunno
[03:03] <Diablo-D3> grr
[03:03] <Diablo-D3> I hate gnome
[03:04] <htaccess> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:04] <htaccess>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[03:04] <htaccess> how can i fix this?
[03:04] <andypicch> another stupid question... bear in mind I dont know the file system quite yet... how do I add applications to the kmenu... I am not sure even where they are installed when I do it thru synaptic
[03:04] <Tm_T> htaccess: topic?
[03:05] <htaccess> Tm_T, ah, i see it now kdelibs bug
[03:05] <ixion83> htaccess: search on google I find the solution for this problem of kdelibs
[03:06] <ixion83> and I fix this problem
[03:06] <Tm_T> ixion83: topic has the solution
[03:06] <ixion83> ah ?
[03:06] <Tm_T> I think it works allright
[03:06] <luke> andyicch: right click on kmenu > menu editor
[03:07] <Tm_T> or use kappfinder
[03:07] <Tm_T> it's great
[03:08] <htaccess> hmm, kdelibs-debug.sh, looks sane, not installing any rootkits or emailing /etc/shadow anywhere, lets run it :)
[03:08] <ixion83> lol :)
[03:10] <htaccess> its just a forced upgrade and then fixes a few things the upgrade breaks
[03:12] <andypicch> thanks all of you for helping me tonight... talk to ya later Survivor is on!!
[03:16] <ixion83> Kaffeine and amarok hangs when try to listen a CD
[03:16] <ixion83> Kaffeine and amarok hangs when try to listen a CD
[03:16] <sirukin> maybe your cd hates you.
[03:17] <ixion83> huuum ... no in mandriva that's work fine ... and on archlinux fine too
[03:24] <luke_> great more useless crap to get rid of
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> grrr
[03:26] <Diablo-D3> I really hate gnome
[03:26] <ixion83> huuum I have problem with amarok...
[03:26] <Diablo-D3> infact I hate gtk as well
[03:26] <Diablo-D3> and I hate X
[03:26] <ixion83> there is no sound engine in the conf of amarok
[03:26] <Diablo-D3> ixion83: you mean the entry is blank?
[03:26] <ixion83> yes
[03:26] <ixion83> blank entry
[03:26] <ixion83> I need gstreamer ?
[03:26] <Diablo-D3> but a sound engine is loaded?
[03:27] <ixion83> I use arts ...
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> =|
[03:27] <ixion83> but no engine for amarok
[03:27] <luke_> arts is messed up
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install amarok-gstreamer
[03:28] <ixion83> yes I do :)
[03:28] <ixion83> why it's not by default ????
[03:29] <Diablo-D3> you probably want to apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad gstreamer0.8-flac gstreamer0.8-alsa gstreamer0.8-vorbis as well
[03:29] <Diablo-D3> ixion83: I filed a bug on that last week
[03:29] <Diablo-D3> amarok has removed the arts engine upstream anyhow
[03:31] <ixion83> ok :)
[03:31] <ixion83> so 12932 Fps with Glxgears :)
[03:31] <ixion83> I'm very happy :)
[03:32] <Diablo-D3> is that all?
[03:32] <ixion83> you can't do better
[03:32] <ixion83> :)
[03:32] <Diablo-D3> my xt800 does around 25k fps
[03:33] <ixion83> ?????????
[03:33] <ixion83> Are you sure ?
[03:33] <ixion83> With defaults windows of glxgears ?
[03:33] <Tm_T> heh, I got 8k and up
[03:33] <Diablo-D3> yup
[03:33] <ixion83> with default windows ?
[03:33] <Diablo-D3> yup
[03:33] <ixion83> ???
[03:33] <ixion83> I have got a GeForce 6800 GT 256 Mo ....
[03:34] <ixion83> why you are better ?
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> because xt800 > 6800
[03:35] <ixion83> no
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> ahh, the nvidia fanboy rears his head
[03:35] <ixion83> benchmarks on windows say that my card is better than yours
[03:35] <ixion83> maybe my processor is not enough fast
[03:36] <Tm_T> ehh
[03:36] <Tm_T> glxgears isn't teh test
[03:37] <ixion83> amarok bug
[03:37] <ixion83> :(
[03:38] <Tm_T> ixion83: hmm, from svn?
[03:39] <luke_> is it safe to uninstall emacs?
[03:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:40] <Tm_T> why you do that?
[03:40] <ixion83> svn ???
[03:40] <luke_> because I don't use it
[03:41] <ixion83> how i can mount my /dev/hda1 windows ?
[03:42] <ixion83> dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,defaults 0 0 <---- Dont work
[03:43] <Tm_T> ixion83: svn http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Installation_HowTo#Building_SVN_amaroK
[03:45] <ixion83> Tm_T : you know how i can mount my Windows with user ?
[03:47] <Tm_T> ixion83: as user?
[03:47] <Tm_T> hmm, let's see
[03:48] <Tezkah> hmm, Konqueror feels sluggish, it might just be this internet connection though
[03:48] <Tm_T> /dev/hdc4  /mnt/ntfs1  ntfs  ro,defaults,noauto,users,umask=022 0  0
[03:49] <Tm_T> hmm, mine says that, dunno if that helps really
[03:50] <sirukin> bbiab
[03:51] <ixion83> ...
[03:51] <ixion83> huum that's dont work :(
[03:51] <Tm_T> you edited it to suit into your system?
[03:52] <ixion83> no I replace your /dev with mine :)
[03:54] <lior> sdf
[03:54] <lior>  ?
[03:54] <lior>  ...
[03:54] <lior> nice shit :))
[03:56] <Tezkah> Russian?
[03:56] <Tm_T> ehh
[04:06] <sproingie> oy.  anyone else having big breakage in breezy?
[04:09] <Tm_T> haha "Don't use Breezy" =)
[04:10] <shiv> I installed kubuntu yesterday, was able to run wireless internet fine on the 1st boot, after reboot I am not able to
[04:10] <shiv> it asks for admin privileges, bt I only get the splash screen on control center
[04:11] <shiv> I did what it says in the support forum but in vain
[04:11] <Tezkah> try running the command center as root?
[04:11] <Tezkah> "sudo kcontrol"
[04:11] <shiv> i did sudo kcmshell --list
[04:11] <shiv> and went from there
[04:11] <shiv> did not work
[04:12] <sproingie> "don't use breezy" ... little late for me i'd say
[04:12] <shiv> is sudo kcontrol any different?
[04:12] <Tezkah> sudo kcontrol works for me
[04:12] <Tm_T> sproingie: you know the risks
[04:12] <shiv> let me see then
[04:12] <shiv> i will have to rebot
[04:12] <shiv> :(
[04:12] <Tezkah> ah
[04:12] <Tezkah> that was me yesterday
[04:12] <Tezkah> try also
[04:12] <sproingie> Tm_T: i'm not complaining, just wondering if anyone else has the same breakage
[04:12] <Tezkah> "dhclient wx0"
[04:13] <Tezkah> whatever your wireless device is
[04:13] <Tm_T> heh
[04:13] <shiv> what?
[04:13] <sproingie> looks like not everything is migrated to dbus-1 ... or dbus-1-1 .. or whichever
[04:13] <sproingie> and since there can be only one...
[04:14] <Tezkah> Kopete is Krap
[04:14] <Tm_T> use Gaim
[04:15] <Tezkah> yep
[04:15] <Tezkah> thats what I'm using
[04:15] <Tm_T> me too
[04:16] <Tezkah> I missed the command line so much
[04:16] <Tm_T> =)
[04:16] <Tm_T> hmm, and why you checked my client ?
[04:16] <Tezkah> no idea!
[04:16] <Tm_T> haha
[04:17] <Tm_T> you thought I use Gaim as irc client =)
[04:17] <Tezkah> yeah I didn't think you were that crazy
[04:17] <Tm_T> =)
[04:18] <NTolerance> odd how a fresh format can make kubuntu work so much better
[04:18] <NTolerance> i've yet to have ANY of the problems i was having before other than the well-known konqueror crash problems
[04:18] <Tm_T> and kaffeine
[04:18] <Tezkah> yeah, konqueror was crashing when loading some html files from my ntfs drive
[04:19] <NTolerance> i saw an updated kaffiene package somewhere for kubuntu
[04:19] <NTolerance> but i haven't tried it
[04:19] <NTolerance> i've mainly used Totem simply because it doesn't have a stupid systray icon
[04:19] <Tezkah> I'm using amaroK, Kaffiene was working okay
[04:19] <Tm_T> eh, totem doesn't work either
[04:20] <Tezkah> but JuK was causing massive skips
[04:20] <NTolerance> i haven't had any problems with totem playing movies off of my HDD
[04:20] <NTolerance> it does have issues when embedded with firefox
[04:20] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[04:21] <NTolerance> i've had the best luck with the mplayerplug-in
[04:21] <NTolerance> w/ a certain config on the howto section
[04:21] <Tm_T> heh
[04:21] <Nub> uhh is there anyway to recompile kernel with module suport without having to set all the config settings?
[04:22] <Nub> i try to just make modules but it says the kernel wasn't compiled with module suport
[04:22] <Tm_T> eh
[04:23] <NTolerance> does anyone here have an orinoco wireless card?
[04:23] <Nub> no
[04:24] <sirukin> I do
[04:24] <NTolerance> cool
[04:24] <NTolerance> do you have scanning support?
[04:24] <sirukin> if you ask me how to put yours into rfmon mode I'll stab you.
[04:24] <sirukin> haha
[04:24] <sirukin> I'm out
[04:25] <sirukin> later
[04:25] <NTolerance> that guy is just too cool
[04:25] <NTolerance> i can put it into monitor mode, thanks very much
[04:29] <shiv> how do i instal firefox?
[04:31] <Tm_T> shiv: "apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[04:32] <Tezkah> can you use the binary installer from mozilla.org?
[04:32] <Tm_T> heh, that's better ofcourse
[04:32] <shiv> how do I become root
[04:32] <shiv> ?
[04:32] <shiv> its asking for that
[04:33] <Tezkah> sudo
[04:33] <Tezkah> what's a good path to install it to?
[04:33] <Tm_T> "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[04:33] <Tezkah>  /usr/bin/firefox ?
[04:33] <shiv> v
[04:34] <shiv> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:34] <shiv> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:34] <shiv> is only available from another source
[04:34] <shiv> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[04:34] <Tezkah> you could open up kynaptic
[04:34] <Tm_T> Tezkah: it doesn't help :)
[04:34] <shiv> i did that, that only shows some 90kb language file installed
[04:35] <shiv> let me try the binary
[04:35] <Tm_T> shiv: go and download package from mozilla.org
[04:36] <Tezkah> but yeah, whats a good path?
[04:37] <Tm_T> Tezkah: what ever you like it :p
[04:37] <Tezkah> FINE
[04:37] <Tezkah> I will install it to /usr/bin/x11
[04:37] <Tezkah> I like how Opera has a ubuntu package
[04:38] <amaro> when I enter into kubuntu, the intro sound, is it from KDE or Ubuntu?
[04:38] <Tezkah> after you log in?
[04:38] <Tezkah> KDE
[04:38] <amaro> yeah
[04:38] <shiv> iiiiii unzipped the file but the installer won't work
[04:38] <amaro> it's a really good intro sound
[04:39] <Tezkah> shiv: "sudo ./firefox-installer" ?
[04:40] <shiv> t says no such file or directory
[04:40] <shiv> command not found
[04:40] <Tezkah> ahh, so you unzipped it
[04:41] <shiv> do u want me to keep the folder in any specific place?
[04:41] <Tezkah> and then entered into the directory it created?
[04:41] <shiv> i just unzipped on the desktop
[04:44] <Tezkah> yeah
[04:44] <Tezkah> enter that folder in konsole
[04:45] <shiv> ok done
[04:46] <Tezkah> then try "sudo ./firefox-installer"
[04:47] <Tm_T> looks like it worked allrigh, can't see any complaints =)
[04:47] <Tm_T> t
[04:49] <shiv> hiv@ubuntu:~$ '/home/shiv/Desktop/firefox-1.0.4.installer.tar.gz' sudo ./firefox-installer
[04:49] <shiv> bash: /home/shiv/Desktop/firefox-1.0.4.installer.tar.gz: Permission denied
[04:50] <Tm_T> no, don't try to run that package
[04:51] <Tm_T> uhm
[04:54] <ixion83> firefox 1.0.2 we have only ?????!!!!!
[04:55] <Tm_T> yep
[04:55] <Tm_T> dunno why they don't update it
[04:56] <shiv> what is a good directory to do all the installation of programs? Like Program Files in Windows?
[04:57] <darkaudit> Tm_T: they did today... but didn't change the ver #
[04:57] <Tezkah>  /usr/bin/
[04:57] <Tm_T> darkaudit: ah ok
[04:57] <Tm_T> darkaudit: hmm, sounds stupid to me
[04:57] <Tezkah> but if you want the icon
[04:58] <shiv> it says access denied
[04:58] <shiv> i can't move my folder there..
[04:58] <Tm_T> ...
[04:58] <darkaudit> any hoary-secutity folks here?
[04:58] <Tm_T> I don't say a thing
[04:58] <darkaudit> er security
[04:58] <Tm_T> hi kkathman 
[04:58] <kkathman> hey there Tm_T ;)
[04:58] <Tezkah> I am the top security advisor to Presidnt Bushbuntu
[04:58] <Tm_T> darkaudit: titytii? ;--p
[04:58] <kkathman> just got back home
[04:59] <darkaudit> oops :)
[04:59] <darkaudit> it's time for bed
[04:59] <transgress> okay correct me if i'm wrong... if gnome in ubuntu can automount my external ntfs drive, kubuntu should be able to mount it somehow right?
[04:59] <Tm_T> darkaudit: no, it's morning so get up ;p
[04:59] <kkathman> transgress yes
[04:59] <transgress> or is the gnome disk manager just that good?
[04:59] <Tm_T> haha
[05:00] <kkathman> transgress: I am automounting drives all over my network
[05:00] <Tezkah> transgress: my external ntfs gets mounted just fine
[05:00] <Tezkah> USB?
[05:00] <transgress> Tezkah: yeah
[05:00] <transgress> i haven't tried in kubuntu, but it never has mounted in anything...
[05:00] <Tezkah> weird
[05:00] <kkathman> transgress: you just have to make entries in your fstab and create mount points in mnt
[05:00] <transgress> and i'd really like to burn some of the stuff to dvd so i can slick it and format it ext3
[05:00] <Tezkah> I installed with the USB plugged in
[05:00] <Tezkah> and it had an icon in the desktop waiting for me
[05:01] <transgress> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[05:01] <Tezkah> kubuntu hoary
[05:01] <transgress> hmm
[05:01] <kkathman> ubuntu hoary w/ k-desktop installed
[05:01] <Tezkah> well thats what kubuntu is
[05:01] <Tezkah> just kubuntu has it installed by default
[05:02] <transgress> well the gnome volume manager is what's causing it to automount on my lappy
[05:02] <transgress> but i don't have that on my desktop, and i've always gotten errors in other linuxes when i tried to mount it
[05:03] <Tm_T> amd is great
[05:03] <transgress> yeah it is
[05:03] <Tezkah> well you'd just have to edit your fstab
[05:03] <Tm_T> hmm, my friend just plugged his usb mem into my pc and that's it, it worked
[05:04] <Tm_T> Tezkah: I don't think so
[05:04] <Tm_T> I never done it w/ usb mem
[05:04] <Tezkah> if it didn't autodetect, I mean
[05:04] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:05] <Tm_T> oh, doing it hard way...
[05:05] <transgress> can i not just mount it manually w/o editting fstab?
[05:05] <Tm_T> transgress: sure
[05:05] <Tezkah> make a mount point
[05:05] <ixion83> Tm_T : I need codecs for play .WMV where can I found them ?
[05:05] <Tezkah> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/point
[05:05] <Tezkah> well
[05:05] <Tezkah> oops
[05:05] <Tezkah> thats not the right comman
[05:05] <Tezkah> d
[05:05] <Tezkah> but basically
[05:05] <Tm_T> ixion83: there's w32 codecs somewhere :)
[05:06] <Tezkah> hmm
[05:06] <Tezkah> Firefox wont recognize that it has been restarted
[05:06] <transgress> mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[05:06] <Tm_T> eh?
[05:07] <transgress> anyway to find which device it is?
[05:07] <transgress> i hotplugged it, but that should be alright shouldn't it?
[05:07] <transgress> dmesg saw it... Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[05:07] <transgress> ah seems /dev/sda is picking it up... 
[05:08] <Tezkah> so would the device name just be /dev/sdda
[05:08] <Tezkah> oh yes
[05:08] <shiv> firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:08] <transgress> SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000
[05:08] <transgress> end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 40
[05:08] <shiv> what do i do now
[05:08] <transgress> Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 5
[05:08] <transgress> i'm getting those in dmesg
[05:08] <transgress> that's what's always happened, but i just had this mounted on my lappy
[05:09] <transgress> and it's just kind of hanging on the mount
[05:10] <transgress> see... w/o GVM i can't get that stupid thing to mount
[05:10] <transgress> it's so screwy
[05:10] <transgress> i guess i'll just nfs my lappy and copy across usb to ethernet to my desktop dvd burner heh
[05:10] <transgress> like that isn't asking for problems
[05:13] <Tezkah> hooray, slocate is making a database
[05:13] <ixion83> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[05:13] <ixion83> He dont accept
[05:13] <ixion83> apt-get dont accept :(
[05:15] <ixion83> that's work :)
[05:16] <kkathman> ok im back..sorry had to answer some emails that were urgent
[05:23] <TezKah> gotta have the Kapital K
[05:23] <Tm_T> ehh
[05:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:23] <TezKah> hmm
[05:23] <TezKah> it feels like Konqueror hangs for a second
[05:23] <TezKah> then loads the page quite fast
[05:24] <shiv> how do i add up more repositories? the sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list does not work
[05:24] <Tm_Tr> shiv: use nano then
[05:24] <shiv> what is that?
[05:24] <Tm_Tr> "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:25] <Tm_TK> ok?
[05:25] <Tm_TK> ;p
[05:25] <kkathman> Tm_T you have more names here :)
[05:26] <shiv> ok
[05:26] <shiv> that worked
[05:26] <shiv> i did the uncomment part
[05:26] <shiv> how do i save it now?
[05:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: not too many?
[05:26] <Tm_T> shiv: just hit ctrl-x
[05:27] <Tm_T> and answer y
[05:27] <kkathman> well I never know which one to talk to
[05:27] <kkathman> maybe thats the idea
[05:27] <Tm_T> o/
[05:27] <shiv> file name to write: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:27] <shiv> what format?
[05:28] <Tm_T> format?
[05:28] <TezKah> text
[05:28] <Tm_T> just hit enter
[05:28] <TezKah> ascii text
[05:28] <Tm_T> plain text, always
[05:28] <TezKah> I love emacs
[05:28] <Tm_T> yes =)
[05:28] <shiv> ok
[05:28] <ixion83> 5:29 AM in France where I live :)
[05:28] <shiv> i hit enter and the screen is gone now
[05:28] <Tm_T> 06:28
[05:28] <ixion83> Tm_T : German ?
[05:28] <shiv> how do I know it added the repositories?
[05:28] <Tm_T> ixion83: hell no, fi
[05:28] <ixion83> fi ?
[05:29] <Tm_T> shiv: just try "sudo apt-get update"
[05:29] <Tm_T> ixion83: Finland
[05:29] <ixion83> ann Linus Torvald !!! it's you !! :)
[05:29] <shiv> i did that from kynaptic
[05:29] <shiv> its updating
[05:29] <Tm_T> hmh
[05:30] <Tm_T> why you use Kynaptic when I say something else =)
[05:30] <shiv> but again it did not accept the passwd and gave some athentication error But I think update worked
[05:30] <shiv> sorry
[05:30] <shiv> :(
[05:30] <Tm_T> haha
[05:30] <shiv> I started kynaptic before u said
[05:30] <Tm_T> kids... ;p
[05:31] <Tm_T> oh, I'm hungry!
[05:31] <Tm_T> and angry?
[05:31] <Tm_TK> offline ->
[05:31] <Tm_T> mjo
[05:32] <TezKah> ati radeon x850 - ubuntu cannot load X
[05:34] <shiv> I finally did get the firefox but its 1.0.2
[05:35] <shiv> and fonts are errie
[05:35] <shiv> I can crrect those though
[05:35] <shiv> :(
[05:35] <TezKah> shiv: yeah, does it look out of place in KDE?
[05:35] <TezKah> because it does use GTK, I'm pretty sure
[05:35] <TezKah> and you can make it look nice with gtk-qt-tools I think
[05:36] <TezKah> something like that
[05:36] <TezKah> its how I made GAIM look right
[05:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:36] <Tm_T> I actually like gtk look =)
[05:36] <TezKah> gb2/#ubuntu
[05:36] <TezKah> haha
[05:37] <shiv> what is gtk-qt-tools?
[05:37] <Tm_T> ixion83: welcome back my french friend
[05:37] <shiv> where is it?
[05:37] <ixion83> :)
[05:38] <TezKah> lemme check quick
[05:39] <Tm_T> TezKah: don't tell it yet
[05:39] <Tm_T> shiv: try "apt-cache search gtk-qt"
[05:40] <shiv> another thing I need to do is access my windows partition its FAT32
[05:40] <Tm_T> that's simple
[05:40] <Tm_T> but one thing at the time
[05:40] <shiv> this is what happened
[05:40] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search gtk-qt
[05:40] <shiv> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones
[05:40] <shiv> shiv@ubuntu:~$
[05:41] <Tm_T> so, just "sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" then
[05:41] <TezKah> oh apt, how I love you so
[05:41] <Tm_T> yes, you can search packages :)
[05:41] <Tm_T> TezKah: haha
[05:41] <shiv> its doing it
[05:41] <kkathman> lol TezKah 
[05:41] <TezKah> you can also do it with kynaptic
[05:42] <shiv> its done
[05:42] <shiv> now what?
[05:42] <Tm_T> shiv: now, go into kcontrol
[05:42] <shiv> ok.
[05:42] <shiv> next
[05:42] <TezKah> click on Appearance and Themes
[05:43] <TezKah> wheee
[05:43] <Tm_T> omg ll
[05:43] <shiv> so use Qt?
[05:44] <TezKah> yep
[05:44] <TezKah> or use current style
[05:44] <TezKah> fonts, etc
[05:44] <TezKah> then restart firefox when you're done
[05:44] <shiv> ahaa
[05:45] <shiv> feels better now
[05:45] <shiv> :)
[05:45] <TezKah> I feel a need to install xfce
[05:45] <TezKah> but then I'd feel silly for installing kubuntu when I'm not using KDE
[05:45] <shiv> will this change al my applications though?
[05:45] <TezKah> the ones that use GTK
[05:45] <TezKah> so GAIM and stuff like that
[05:45] <shiv> I see
[05:46] <shiv> sounds god
[05:46] <shiv> sounds good
[05:46] <Tm_T> nah
[05:46] <shiv> let me restart my computer since I updated a lot of things LIKE in WINDOWs ;)
[05:46] <TezKah> No!
[05:46] <TezKah> not allowed
[05:46] <shiv> hope to get my internet back soon
[05:47] <shiv> BTW this is a great distro, it almost got me the best possible resoltion on my laptop and it actualy looks way better then windows
[05:48] <TezKah> KDE is shiny
[05:48] <shiv> I am running toshiba P35 691
[05:48] <Tm_T> KDE is ok
[05:48] <TezKah> yeah, kubuntu is the first distro that Ive actually successfully installed
[05:48] <TezKah> only took me like...
[05:48] <TezKah> uh, 10 tries
[05:49] <Tm_T> erh?
[05:49] <Tm_T> user error ;)
[05:49] <shiv> I only took 2 so far...
[05:49] <TezKah> yeah
[05:49] <TezKah> I didn't know anything about linux
[05:49] <TezKah> and got some red hat disks
[05:49] <TezKah> "I am going to try this"
[05:49] <Tm_T> haha
[05:49] <TezKah> "holy shit my hard drive was partitioned?!"
[05:49] <Tm_T> rpm hell
[05:49] <TezKah> "what is a partition?"
[05:49] <Tm_T> thoh
[05:50] <Tm_T> ok, now you're an idiot ;p
[05:50] <TezKah> well this was when I was younger
[05:50] <TezKah> much younger
[05:50] <Tm_T> heh
[05:50] <TezKah> read some books
[05:50] <Tm_T> never happened to me
[05:50] <TezKah> learned things like "ls"
[05:50] <TezKah> failed hardcore a few more tries
[05:50] <TezKah> finally installed debian on this dell computer last summer
[05:50] <Tm_T> but not everybody have played with pc stuff from age of 6
[05:51] <TezKah> yeah well I played with PC stuff, but it was just windows
[05:51] <Tm_T> eh
[05:51] <Tm_T> ...
[05:51] <TezKah> WINDOWS 95
[05:51] <TezKah> don't learn anything
[05:51] <Tm_T> ehh
[05:51] <Tm_T> you never used wfw 3.11 ?
[05:51] <TezKah> nah, pointed and clicked at everything
[05:52] <Tm_T> oh, dos 3.2 was great =)
[05:52] <TezKah> never learned any command line stuff
[05:52] <kkathman> what a bad product that was Tm_T 
[05:52] <kkathman> wfw 3.11 I mean
[05:52] <TezKah> Random Fortune: Ok, I'm just uploading the new version of the kernel, v1.3.33, also known as "the buggiest kernel ever". 	-- Linus Torvalds 
[05:52] <Tm_T> Windows For Workgroups
[05:53] <TezKah> WHAT A GREAT COMMAND
[05:53] <Tm_T> TezKah: don't you ever do that again or I kill you
[05:53] <TezKah> haha
[05:53] <TezKah> okay
[05:53] <Tm_T> colors...
[05:53] <TezKah> colors?
[05:54] <Tm_T> yes, bright red
[05:54] <TezKah> oh, weird, I only see red when someone says my name
[05:54] <Tm_T> if you can't see it, you have really incapable irc client
[05:55] <TezKah> nah
[05:55] <Tm_T> oh yes
[05:55] <TezKah> see, I think I enabled "strip mirc color"
[05:55] <TezKah> I hate colours
[05:55] <Tm_T> hah
[05:55] <Tm_T> you tell me
[05:55] <Tm_T> so you don't see even if you cause it... not so good
[05:56] <TezKah> heh
[05:56] <TezKah> I'm INVINCIBLE
[05:56] <Tm_T> ...
[05:56] <Tm_T> and I'll kick your ass
[05:56] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[05:56] <Tm_T> http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/dos.htm
[05:56] <Tm_T> just vhevk how old dos 3.2 is...
[05:56] <Tm_T> 'check =)
[05:56] <TezKah> Tm_T why are you hacking me
[05:57] <TezKah> my mouse is moving by itself
[05:57] <kkathman> hack hack hack
[05:57] <Tm_T> muahhaha
[05:57] <Tm_T> TezKah: kinetic ;p
[05:58] <TezKah> no, don't click on goatse
[05:59] <TezKah> whaaat, a popup in konqueror?
[05:59] <Tm_T> no, that's you
[05:59] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:59] <TezKah> hooray, an empty popup
[06:00] <shiv> I screwed up big time
[06:00] <shiv> :(
[06:00] <shiv> After the update my kmenu is gone
[06:00] <Tm_T> ehh
[06:00] <shiv> nothing at the bottom
[06:00] <Tm_T> so add them
[06:01] <shiv> I added it manualy and its on my extrreme right and won't move
[06:01] <shiv> to left
[06:01] <Tm_T> eh
[06:01] <luke_> right click, move
[06:02] <shiv> ya that worked
[06:02] <shiv> :)
[06:02] <luke_> :)
[06:03] <shiv> but the update it seems has overwritten kubuntu
[06:03] <shiv> splash screen is gone
[06:03] <Tm_T> eh
[06:03] <shiv> and walpaper also changed automatically
[06:03] <shiv> seems like microsofts dirty tric...
[06:03] <shiv> seems like microsofts dirty trick...
[06:03] <Tm_T> o/
[06:06] <luke_> did you update from warty to hoary?
[06:06] <shiv> I don't know
[06:07] <shiv> I added all the repositories 
[06:07] <shiv> and did the update
[06:07] <luke_> how long have you had kubuntu?
[06:07] <shiv> though firefox is still the same old
[06:07] <shiv> 2 hours
[06:07] <shiv> my laptop fan is running crazy though
[06:07] <luke_> did you download ubuntu and install kubuntu?
[06:08] <shiv> no
[06:08] <TezKah> try "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[06:08] <shiv> i did kubuntu
[06:08] <TezKah> see how fast its running
[06:08] <kkathman> Tm_T man I have to watch it, hehe I added marillat and backports to my sources, and went and looked to see if there were updates and there were like tons!  Then I remembered, hmmm uh oh..better not update :)
[06:08] <luke_> so you downloaded the kubuntu iso?
[06:08] <shiv> ya
[06:09] <kkathman> still there are 4 since I left town on Monday
[06:09] <shiv> cpu MHz         : 3200.682
[06:09] <kkathman> so when nate comes back we'll all start hacking his machine :)
[06:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, backports... never used
[06:10] <kkathman> Tm_T well they are good for things like java etc if you need them
[06:10] <kkathman> good to stay away from them in general
[06:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: yeah, that's true
[06:11] <luke_> I guess you'll just have to change everything back shiv. it wont happen again though
[06:11] <kkathman> only reason I put in marillat so I could get the w32codecs
[06:12] <Tm_T> I use marillat :)
[06:12] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I try dev version of Koffice
[06:12] <shiv> thats fine
[06:13] <shiv> I am fine as long as things work
[06:13] <kkathman> let me know what you think about it Tm_T ..Im a little anxious to hear feedback on Krita
[06:13] <shiv> is there any way to increase the size on analog clock on the panel?
[06:13] <Tezkah> yep
[06:13] <kkathman> Tm_T The initial feedback I got some time back on Krita was that it wasnt really ready for prime time
[06:13] <Tezkah> guess how you do it?
[06:13] <shiv> no clue
[06:13] <shiv> i am a newbie
[06:14] <luke_> try right click, configure clock
[06:14] <Tezkah> right click, configure clock =)
[06:14] <shiv> ya but there is no option to increase the size of analog clock
[06:14] <kkathman> For all you Konqueror lovers:  http://dot.kde.org/1115658889/
[06:14] <shiv> digital yes
[06:14] <Tezkah> change the font
[06:14] <Tezkah> er, digital... hmm
[06:15] <kkathman> Tm_T you know anything about Kexi?  Is that supposed to be released with KOffice?
[06:15] <shiv> alright guys 
[06:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: I dunno
[06:16] <shiv> time to sleep
[06:16] <shiv> see u later 
[06:16] <shiv> Bye
[06:16] <shiv> and thanks
[06:16] <Tm_T> np :)
[06:16] <shiv> hope it will reboot tomorrow and network shall be fine
[06:16] <jsmith> Hi
[06:17] <Tezkah> hey jsTAB ERROR Burtruss 
[06:17] <Burtruss> well here I am in Buntu land
[06:17] <Burtruss> Tezkah: huh?
[06:17] <Tezkah> nuttin
[06:17] <Tezkah> konversation is annoying me
[06:18] <Burtruss> well it sure doesn't come with much
[06:19] <Burtruss> not even Firefox?
[06:19] <kakalto> Tezkah, konversation isn't the best, no
[06:19] <kakalto> IMO
[06:21] <choop> hello all
[06:21] <Tezkah> xchat, which wont even connect!?
[06:21] <choop> question of fair importance: i've just burned a kubuntu installer disc. how can I verify the integrity of the burn, from windows?
[06:21] <Tezkah`> just kidding
[06:21] <Tezkah`> it works
[06:22] <choop> i've also got a liveCD of knoppix, if that will help me do so
[06:22] <choop> anybody?
[06:22] <luke_> don't bother checking it, it'll be fine
[06:22] <choop> how can i be sure?
[06:23] <choop> the last OS i installed from a bad burn was corrupt
[06:23] <luke_> if the install doesn't work properly, burn it again
[06:24] <Tm_T> Tezkah`: hmm?
[06:26] <Tezkah> hmm
[06:26] <Tezkah`> xchat doesn't look as pretty
[06:26] <Tm_T> Tezkah`: yuk, both ugly
[06:26] <Tm_T> try irssi ;)
[06:26] <Tezkah`> can you click links in IRSSI?
[06:27] <Tm_T> eh
[06:27] <choop> i'm installing now.
[06:27] <Tm_T> it depends what terminal you are using
[06:28] <choop> i've got both an ethernet card (which I use) and a modem (which I don't) and the installer didn't detect either of them in the network hardware detection step.
[06:28] <luke_> thats cool choop. if you have any problems with the install just ask
[06:28] <choop> heh: that's timing, luke
[06:28] <Tm_T> :p
[06:28] <luke_> haha
[06:28] <choop> would #ubuntu be a better resource for that question?
[06:29] <luke_> not sure. I didn't install with a kubuntu cd, but you can ask there
[06:29] <choop> k
[06:29] <kkathman> choop:  did you look at your dmesg?
[06:29] <choop> dmesg? don't know how to get there.
[06:30] <choop> what is dmesg?
[06:30] <kkathman> go to a shell and type dmesg  and it should tell you if the kernel detected the devices
[06:30] <choop> i'm installing - no shell I know of
[06:30] <Tezkah> hey Tm_T, what terminal would you recommend?
[06:31] <kkathman> choop  command line is what I mean
[06:31] <choop> how to get to cmd line from installer?
[06:31] <choop> ctrl+alt+f2?
[06:31] <kkathman> you are in the installer now?
[06:31] <choop> something like that?
[06:31] <choop> yes, i'm in the installer now.
[06:31] <kkathman> hmm... where abouts?
[06:31] <choop> chatting from laptop, which is using the only available internet connection
[06:32] <choop> [!] Configure the network / No network interfaces detected <go back> <cancel>
[06:32] <kkathman> choop hmm... do you happen to know what kind of network device you have?
[06:32] <Tm_T> Tezkah`: Konsole =)
[06:32] <kkathman> choop and are you connected to the net now?
[06:33] <choop> actually, i believe I do: RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
[06:33] <choop> connected via laptop, not desktop (installing to desktop)
[06:33] <Tezkah`> fine!
[06:33] <Tm_T> :)
[06:34] <Tezkah``> happy now?
[06:34] <kkathman> choop ohh, so you dont have a pci network card then?
[06:34] <Tm_T> Tezkah``: screenshot?
[06:34] <choop> i *thought* it was PCI
[06:34] <choop> you want some background?
[06:34] <choop> on the hardware, i mean?
[06:35] <kkathman> choop well you should be able to look inside your computer and see if you have an ethernet card I think
[06:35] <choop> there's an ethernet card in there.
[06:35] <choop> it's correctly seated.
[06:35] <kkathman> choop ok, and was it hooked up to the net when you did your install?
[06:35] <choop> no.
[06:35] <choop> still not connected to the net.
[06:35] <kkathman> choop  aha
[06:36] <choop> i've got one ethernet cable, and it's in the back of this laptop.
[06:36] <kkathman> choop ok, so you DO have internet through that line...right?
[06:36] <choop> through the line, yes. to the desktop, no
[06:36] <kkathman> choop ok, so may I ask why you didnt plug the internet into the desktop to install?
[06:37] <choop> because I knew I'd need help online during the install!
[06:37] <choop> :)
[06:37] <choop> i've only got the one ethernet connection.
[06:37] <choop> one cable which pipes the net to one machine, from one DSL modem.
[06:37] <choop> ...currently in use by this laptop, on which I seek help.
[06:37] <kkathman> choop well, fair enough, but the installer needs that connection to auto configure your network settings
[06:38] <choop> hmm... how would it be if I skipped the network stuff during the installer and went back to configure that later?
[06:38] <luke_> you could do without help just while it configures the network
[06:39] <choop> well, the connection has proved hot-swappable before...
[06:39] <kkathman> choop  so you have 2 choices  1) go ahead an continue the rest of the install, and we'll solve the ethernet issue after that, or 2) go back, plug the net into your connection on your desktop and try again, and if it doesnt detect, we can go to option (1) :)
[06:39] <Tezkah``> http://tinypic.com/52fbyh
[06:39] <Tezkah``> haha
[06:39] <Tezkah``> finally got a screenshot
[06:39] <Tezkah``> because I haven't got hosting set up
[06:39] <choop> i'll try 2, and be back in either a minute if it fails or longer if it don't.
[06:39] <kkathman> choop  its possible that your card is too old, but I'd be a little surprised if that were the case, but still possible
[06:39] <choop> wish me luck!
[06:39] <Tezkah``> hooray
[06:40] <kkathman> good luck
[06:40] <choop> card's under a year old
[06:40] <choop> later
[06:43] <choop> well, i'm back. 
[06:43] <kkathman> ok
[06:43] <choop> plugged network cable into machine, tried detecting network hardware again, failed again.
[06:44] <choop> skip configure network stuff?
[06:44] <Tezkah> hooray for irssi
[06:44] <kkathman> choop well ok, i would continue the install and then we'll tackle the ethernet card after
[06:44] <Tm_T> :)
[06:44] <luke_> what were you running before this install?
[06:45] <choop> win2k
[06:45] <kkathman> Tm_T what are you smiling at :)
[06:45] <Tm_T> 07:44 < Tezkah> hooray for irssi
[06:45] <Tm_T> =)
[06:45] <Tm_T> "oops I did it again"
[06:45] <choop> I can use fat32 formatting, right?
[06:45] <luke_> it's probibly one of those intel ones without a onboard proccessor, linux can't get the drivers for them
[06:45] <Tezkah> now, I just need to set it to autojoin/identify
[06:45] <Tezkah> yesssss
[06:45] <Tezkah> the precious
[06:46] <choop> the ethernet card isn't onboard
[06:46] <Tm_T> Tezkah: heh, irssi.org have all information for it
[06:46] <choop> it's got a few of its own chips, seated in a PCI slot
[06:46] <choop> this was confusing: the ethernet card isn't onboard
[06:46] <choop> ethernet support isn't onboard as in natively supported by motherboard
[06:47] <choop> plus I've got an Athlon K7 Thunderbird... nothing intel, I believe.
[06:48] <choop> okay, ethernet later.
[06:48] <choop> partitioning now.
[06:48] <luke_> yeah, but the ethernet card doesn't use it's own proccessor, it uses the computers cpu, linux doesn't support those cards. you'll need another one. intel and windows wont make the drivers open source, so linux can't use them
[06:48] <choop> shit. so i'll need to go buy an ethernet card to use any linux?
[06:48] <luke_> if you can't get the right driver for it yes
[06:49] <choop> effyouseekay.
[06:49] <choop> well, all right then.
[06:49] <choop> partitioning now.
[06:49] <luke_> yup
[06:49] <choop> i've still got my windows partitioning scheme on the hd.
[06:50] <choop> 40G disk: hda1: 10G, don't need. hda5: 23G, would like to save. hda6: 5G, don't need. hda7: don't need.
[06:50] <choop> how to format those three (hda1 is primary) without losing hda5?
[06:51] <luke_> you got everything off your harddrive aye?
[06:51] <luke_> that you want to keep
[06:51] <choop> i backed up to CD what I wanted to keep. just hoping there's a way to not blow away what's already on hda5
[06:52] <luke_> whats on there?
[06:52] <choop> media: pix,music,web/dev docs, etc
[06:52] <Tezkah> well that was painless
[06:52] <choop> nothing system oriented
[06:52] <luke_> havn't you backed that stuff up?
[06:52] <choop> of course i've backed it up.
[06:52] <luke_> don't worry about it then:p
[06:52] <choop> i'm just hoping there's a way to not blow away the drive.
[06:52] <choop> if i have to, then that's that.
[06:53] <luke_> mayaswell
[06:53] <choop> so then, what's a good partitioning scheme for linux?
[06:53] <Tezkah> well you'll need a 700gig partition for swap... if you want to be safe
[06:54] <choop> funny, tezkah.
[06:54] <choop> i've 1.5G ram
[06:54] <luke_> just let the install do it automatically
[06:54] <Tezkah> yeah, swap and /
[06:55] <choop> i like to keep system separate from software separate from media separate from swap - is that not a concern in the linux world?
[06:57] <Tezkah> I have heard of it being done, but that's pretty out there
[06:58] <luke_> the programs in linux are all over the place
[06:58] <luke_> you can have swap, root, and media
[06:59] <luke_> have you home folder on a different partition
[07:03] <choop> k, partitioning completed, i believe.
[07:03] <choop> installing ubuntu base system.
[07:03] <choop> how long should this take?
[07:03] <luke_> as long as it will
[07:07] <Tezkah> when its done
[07:10] <choop> looks to be finished.
[07:10] <choop> well, with the CD-ROM at least.
[07:14] <choop> looks stalled on "starting hotplug subsystem"
[07:14] <choop> hiya _nate
[07:15] <choop> what do i do here?
[07:16] <choop> it's stalled on first boot after installer ISO
[07:18] <luke_> whats it doing?
[07:18] <choop> nothing.
[07:18] <choop> cursor is flashing.
[07:18] <choop> stalled on "starting hotplug subsystem"
[07:19] <luke_> did it carry on?
[07:19] <choop> no, it's stalled.
[07:20] <luke_> weird
[07:20] <choop> i'm in #ubuntu as well, they're helping out on this one
[07:20] <choop> unplug peripherals, etc
[07:29] <luke_> hows it going choop?
[07:29] <choop> still stuck on hotplug
[07:29] <Tm_T> heh
[07:30] <kkathman> oops
[07:30] <choop> heh
[07:30] <kkathman> Tm_T Kexi is like a replacement for MS Access
[07:31] <kkathman> my timezones are all messed up now
[07:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, MS access... access hell it is
[07:31] <kkathman> yep
[07:32] <kkathman> I was hoping it might be a good schema definition tool, but its like exactly like MS Access
[07:33] <kkathman> I want to get a really good DB Schema tool that integrates with MySQL
[07:34] <kkathman> there was this program called DB Designer from Sourceforge...it worked really well under Windows, but not Linux
[07:40] <luke_> anyone in here ever tried wormux?
[07:40] <mae> whats a good kde app for ripping flacs from cd's
[07:40] <kkathman> nope
[07:40] <luke_> flacs?
[07:41] <kkathman> wormux
[07:41] <luke_> what are flacs?
[07:41] <kkathman> yeah I dunno what flacs are
[07:41] <kkathman> is that 3l337 for tracks?
[07:42] <Tezkah> flacs = lossless audio
[07:42] <Tezkah> .flac files
[07:42] <kkathman> hmm no glue
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india out here ?
[07:44] <choop> dude, what's up with trees getting married?
[07:44] <Tm_T> eh?
[07:44] <luke_> lol
[07:44] <choop> that makes as much sense as chewbacca, a wookiee, living on endor.
[07:45] <choop> with ewoks.
[07:45] <Tm_T> I just installed Kubuntu-servicemenu, looks like it really rocks
[07:45] <luke_> whats that?
[07:45] <kkathman> service menu?
[07:46] <choop> http://www.vepachedu.org/treemarriages.html
[07:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23981
[07:48] <choop> i mean, you can't just uproot like that
[07:48] <kkathman> wow someone really had too much time on their hands
[07:48] <Tm_T> what?
[07:48] <Tm_T> where? time?
[07:49] <kkathman> hmmm Tm_T cant see that it would be really outstanding
[07:50] <choop> dammit now install looks stalled from cd on "Unpacking libpam-modules..."
[07:50] <amr_> any one having troubles with kbear on kubuntu
[07:50] <kkathman> amr_ ye
[07:50] <kkathman> kbear sux
[07:50] <amr_> how to fix that
[07:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, for some people, that really helps :p
[07:51] <amr_> so what do you use instead of kbear then
[07:51] <kkathman> Tm_T yes I dont doubt that  .... but you and I both use apt so ??.....
[07:51] <kkathman> amr_  I really havent found a replacement yet, but kbear is VERY buggy
[07:51] <Tm_T> kkathman: not all debs are in repositories
[07:52] <kkathman> Tm_T yep you are right
[07:52] <kkathman> so to me it kind of looks like that program is a front end to dpkg right?
[07:52] <kkathman> so I can see it saves a little typing, so Im all for that :)
[07:53] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india out here ?
[07:53] <choop> oh! da_bon_bon is back!
[07:54] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: I hear there are alot of people from India out there...like millions
[07:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, that's it
[07:54] <choop> close to a billion, i think
[07:54] <choop> :-O
[07:54] <kkathman> amr_ you might do an apt-cache search ftp and see what you find
[07:55] <Tm_T> gFTP?
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: :P i am serious.,. i need kubuntu cds :)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> choop: ??
[07:55] <choop> yeah, what's up, bons?
[07:56] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: cant you download the image?
[07:56] <choop> www.kubuntu.org
[07:56] <amr_> apt-chache searc mm do i have to put the sites in the reposit
[07:56] <amr_> someitmes i just need to use it like wget
[07:56] <amr_> but with visual interface
[07:57] <kkathman> amr_: it will search those repositories you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:57] <kkathman> and its  "apt-cache search ftp"
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: no. my nets toooo slow -- 2kbps :)
[07:58] <amr_> ok its like the front end synaptic then?
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> choop: do i know you ??
[07:58] <choop> nope, not that I know.
[07:58] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#orderubuntucdsfree
[07:59] <choop> but you didn't answer my question earlier.
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: they dont ship kubuntu
[07:59] <da_bon_bon> choop: i am very sorry. but i lag a lot, due to slow net. can u plz repeat the question ?
[08:00] <choop> what's up with trees getting married?
[08:00] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: get the cd, install hoary, then you can apt-get the kubuntu-desktop..its the best way to do it
[08:00] <kkathman> choop: go read that site that was mentioned
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: its still 100 mb :
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> :)
[08:00] <choop> i mentioned the site
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> choop: trees getting married ??
[08:01] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: best that can be done at this point....if you cant download very fast, you wont be able to keep up very well with linux anyway 
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: i am quite sure that i can update regularly, the problem being just to get the cds :)
[08:04] <luke_> 2kbs is sooooooo slow. I'm on dialup and I download at an average of 5 or 6 kbs
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> luke_: i am on cable internet
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> but still, its 2kbps
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> coz plans with more speed cost more bux :(
[08:05] <kkathman> da_bon_bon: I think you'll do best to get hoary and install it for sure. then apt-get kubuntu-desktop even if it takes 10 hours to do so (which it wont)
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> it'll take more then 10 :0
[08:06] <kkathman> I dont know anywhere in the US at least that has anything that slow...dialup is faster :)
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> kkathman: here, dial up is pay per minute
[08:06] <kkathman> da_bon_bon:  ok, so, 25 hours...at least you'll have it :)
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> lol
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> but i dont want nome wither
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> *either
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> *gnomr
[08:07] <da_bon_bon> **gnome
[08:07] <kkathman> dont install kubuntu without doing a hoary install first
[08:07] <luke_> why not download the kubuntu iso?
[08:08] <kkathman> luke_: because when you install the kubuntu iso you dont get everything to run things most espcially the gtk stuff thats mandatory for some of the programs
[08:08] <kkathman> there are more problems with installing via the k-disk
[08:09] <kkathman> if something goes wrong with your k-d you have NO backup UI either
[08:09] <luke_> fair enough
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> fuck! lagging again
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> luke_: coz my net is too slow :)
[08:09] <amr_> i agree with kkathman
[08:09] <luke_> get them to send out some hoary cds
[08:10] <amr_> never install the kubuntu alone better install horay then use apt-get for kde
[08:10] <kkathman> Tm_T did you upgrade to breezy yet?
[08:10] <da_bon_bon> heh, ppl are already getting the hoary cds :
[08:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: me? no, should I? :p
[08:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: I'll do it when it's pre-released or something
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> so, again, no indians here  ?
[08:14] <luke_> haha ubuntu use a red hat server with apache for their website
[08:14] <kkathman> Tm_T Im holding back right now cuz I think its too unstable at the moment
[08:15] <kkathman> luke_:  hmmm interesting
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> ok, no (k)ubuntu till shipit
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> shipit SPEEd up, pl
[08:17] <amr_> am i the only one who have problems with kontact?
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> plz
[08:17] <dewey> well, kubuntu-ppc installed fine on my ibook 600mhz 256 megs ram.
[08:17] <Tm_T> luke_: I think that website is hosted in RH server ;p
[08:17] <amr_> it crashs too often especially at start up where it think it is already open?
[08:17] <dewey> but will dvd play work or do I need libdvdcss ?
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> dewey: data dvds are fine, else for mPROTECTED movie dvd u need libdvdcss
[08:19] <kkathman> amr_ I dont have any probs with Kontact
[08:19] <kkathman> amr_:  you do have to configure it
[08:19] <dewey> da_bon_bon: will snaptic get it for me?
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> dewey: yes, synaptic will
[08:19] <dewey> ok thanx :)
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> np, dewey 
[08:22] <amr_> kkathman i did configure it and am using it right now the problem is when i start ubuntu it always think there is another instance of kontact then freezes. I did not figure out how to send pm yet :)
[08:25] <luke_> E: The package gstreamer0.8-a52dec is not ok and I don't know how to fix it! whats up with that???
[08:31] <luke_> it's saying that whenever I try use apt or go into synaptic
[08:35] <amr_> sorry kk it is my first time on this server nice meeting you all
[08:39] <Tezkah> gettin' down with the stereo sound
[09:08] <Tezkah> why would my DNS lookup be slow?
[09:08] <Tm_T> it was... ME!
[09:08] <Tezkah> I mean, its slower on Linux vs Windows
[09:08] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[09:08] <Tezkah> THANKS ALOT TM_T
[09:09] <Tezkah> http://216.239.39.104/ loads in a half second
[09:09] <Tezkah> http://google.ca/ loads in about five
[09:12] <Tm_T> :p
[09:12] <snowcrash> eclipse is pretty slow on linux 
[09:13] <Tm_T> eclipse?
[09:14] <snowcrash> java ide 
[09:14] <snowcrash> eclipse.org
[09:15] <Tm_T> ah
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> holy what the fuck batman
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> xorg in ubuntu doesnt have composite enabled by default
[09:16] <Tm_T> hmm, so?
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> so!?
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> SO!?
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> NO TRANSPARENCY FOR YOU
[09:19] <Tm_T> well, it's buggy afaik
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> no its not
[09:20] <Tm_T> hmh
[09:20] <Tm_T> so you say
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> its actually quite stable
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> its just a little slow
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> on certain machines
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> and sometimes glitchy
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> not crashy
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> just glitchy
[09:24] <luke_> anyone here use tvtime?
[09:41] <mae> what do you all think of scons
[09:41] <luke_> scons are goooood
[09:44] <simple_> i've never had one
[09:45] <luke_> you should.
[09:45] <simple_> they're like a greek food right?
[09:45] <simple_> wait, wtf is a scon
[09:45] <kakalto> geek food? yeh
[09:45] <simple_> alright
[09:45] <luke_> I have no idea. they're prety much flour and water I think. find a recepie on the net
[09:46] <simple_> i've seen dem at duh county fair yuhuck
[09:46] <kakalto> I think it's spelt scone...
[09:46] <kakalto> (probably depends on country)
[09:46] <simple_> yeah
[09:46] <simple_> depends if you like e's or not
[09:46] <kakalto> cheese scones are nice
[09:46] <kakalto> yummy! :D
[09:46] <simple_> e wants to show up and every word
[09:46] <simple_> scone being an example..
[09:46] <kakalto> yeah
[09:46] <luke_> I want scons now
[09:46] <simple_> get a recipie off the net :p
[09:47] <kakalto> that reminds me...
[09:47] <kakalto> I was going to email my brother a recipe of Shepard's Pie a few weeks ago...
[09:48] <luke_> mm pie
[09:48] <kakalto> perhaps I should get around to it some day soon
[09:48] <simple_> yeah, that can't be more than a 10 minute thing
[09:49] <kakalto> it's the point of actually doing it
[10:12] <luke_> kdebase takes a looooooooooooong time to compile on a crappy machine
[10:14] <kakalto> g'nighte
[10:15] <luke_> night
[10:24] <transgress> wow
[10:25] <transgress> for the first time in two years this room now feels like my home
[10:26] <transgress> wow it's quiet
[10:26] <luke_> hmm
[10:36] <transgress> hmm what?
[10:38] <luke_> just agreeing
[10:39] <transgress> i see
[10:40] <transgress> i'm in such a good mood
[10:40] <transgress> although my pot still isn't here
[10:40] <luke_> how are you happy then:p
[10:41] <transgress> well my mom has refused to unpack the boxes in my room for 2 years... and now... i don't have a single box, for the first time in two years, in my room.
[10:41] <transgress> i have a very small room, and right now it feels huge.
[10:41] <luke_> cool
[10:41] <transgress> granted i'm moving in like six months
[10:42] <transgress> but for the next 6 months i'ma be very very happy
[10:42] <luke_> more boxes!
[10:42] <transgress> fuck that... i don't have enough stuff to need boxes... i'm renting an suv(and normally i hate them), packing up my few belongings and driving to texas.
[10:42] <transgress> 1000 miles away.  oh i will be so happy
[10:43] <luke_> how old are you?
[10:43] <transgress> 19
[10:43] <luke_> cool
[10:44] <transgress> yep... thankfully i can keep my job long distance heh
[10:44] <luke_> what do you do?
[10:44] <transgress> i'm a tech for a web hosting company
[10:44] <transgress> well two companies really... same owner
[10:45] <luke_> very cool
[10:45] <transgress> i love it
[10:46] <luke_> I'm so hungry
[10:50] <simple_> will k3b burn .iso as an image?
[10:50] <luke_> what do you mean? do you want to burn an iso onto a cd?
[10:50] <transgress> simple_: 
[10:50] <transgress> yes
[10:51] <transgress> simple_: go to Tools-CD-Burn CD Image
[10:51] <transgress> on the toolbar
[10:51] <simple_> ah sweet hanks
[10:51] <simple_> thanks*
[10:51] <transgress> np
[10:51] <transgress> it's what we're here for... except for Diablo-D3 
[10:51] <simple_> diablo-d3?
[10:52] <transgress> he's what some would call a troll... if you get advice from him... usually it's safest to do the opposite of what he says
[10:52] <simple_> oh, keeping him caged is what you're here for?
[10:53] <simple_> if i can have a tazer i'll help
[10:53] <luke_> haha my brother used to import those
[10:53] <simple_> whoa is that illegal?
[10:53] <luke_> $20 from the states $300 in nz
[10:53] <transgress> wow
[10:54] <simple_> damn quite the profit
[10:54] <simple_> follow your brother's foot steps
[10:54] <luke_> and that was to his mates who sold them for more
[10:54] <Diablo-D3> huh?
[10:55] <simple_> what?
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> afk] 
[10:55] <simple_> it shows
[10:55] <luke_> what is afkj?
[10:55] <Diablo-D3> thats a ] 
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> it means ]  is too close to the k
[10:56] <luke_> ok, and what is it?
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> afk
[10:56] <transgress> away from keyboard
[10:56] <simple_> does kubuntu installer have like a partioner so i can format this hdd?
[10:56] <transgress> simple_: yes
[10:56] <simple_> perfect
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> luke_: away from keyboard
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> and now I really go afk
[10:56] <transgress> all linuxes do
[10:56] <Diablo-D3> aaaaand
[10:56] <simple_> ah
[10:57] <Diablo-D3> simple_: yes
[10:57] <Diablo-D3> all ubuntu install cds do
[10:57] <Diablo-D3> AND NOW I REALLY GO AFK
[10:57] <transgress> simple_: tell him he wouldn't be repeating something already said if he'd take me off ignore
[10:57] <transgress> Diablo-D3 that is...
[10:57] <simple_> Diablo-D3
[10:57] <simple_> trangress helped me like, fifteen minutes ago on that question, you should unignore transgress
[10:57] <simple_> well image is done burning, brb
[10:57] <transgress> haha thanks simple_.  i like you.  k
[10:58] <simple_> :D
[10:58] <simple_> maybe more than a brb..not sure how long it takes to install..
[10:58] <transgress> eh about 30 minutes
[10:59] <luke_> is he installing kubuntu
[10:59] <transgress> yes
[10:59] <luke_> cool
[11:00] <transgress> i need a shower... i got sweaty
[11:17] <Diablo-D3> heh
[11:36] <transgress> so much cleaner now
[11:39] <Diablo-D3> so, hrm.
[11:39] <Diablo-D3> my little kde is all grown up
[11:41] <luke_> is a run.gz file a real file?
[11:42] <luke_> .run.gz**
[11:44] <ikama> Hello all
[11:45] <ikama> I have reinstalled kubuntu 5.04 again
[11:45] <ikama> But I have recocnized the konqueror works very unstable
[11:45] <luke_> again?
[11:45] <ikama> Crashes very often
[11:45] <ikama> Does anybody have same experience?
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> nope
[11:46] <Diablo-D3> konq has been rock fucking solid
[11:47] <luke_> how did you get that diablo-d3?
[11:48] <Diablo-D3> not sure
[11:48] <Diablo-D3> I think its because I installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu
[11:48] <luke_> do you use the side bar?
[11:48] <Diablo-D3> which sidebar?
[11:48] <luke_> I did that
[11:48] <luke_> just the whole side bar, on the left
[11:49] <Diablo-D3> I dont use the sidebar, btw
[11:49] <luke_> I've read that it doesn't crash if you don't use that. maybe it's true. 
[11:52] <ikama> luke_: you mention the standart toolbar in kfm
[11:53] <luke_> nah, the sidebar
[11:53] <ikama> and the openoffice.org configuration problem while updating?
[11:53] <luke_> never herd of it
[11:58] <firas> hi all
[11:58] <firas> anyone have any problems with krdc crashing and refusing to work ?
[11:59] <luke_> krdc?
[12:00] <transgress> never heard of it
[12:00] <transgress> what is it?
[12:00] <transgress> oh
[12:00] <transgress> kde remote desktop?
[12:00] <transgress> umm i've had problems with it, but not crashing and refusing to work
[12:00] <transgress> try clearing the rc file out of .kde for it
[12:01] <firas> yeah transgress
[12:01] <ikama> When I upgrade, then in postconfiguration of openoffice.org-bin return error -1 
[12:01] <firas> everytime i set the rdp:/client.domainname click on connect screen pops up then dissappears
[12:02] <firas> it's happening on my laptop (ubuntu and apt-getted kubuntu-desktop) and my PC which is a native kubunutu machine
[12:10] <firas> transgress: can't find any such file
[12:16] <transgress> firas: /home/transgress/.kde/share/config
[12:16] <transgress> it's krdcrc
[12:16] <transgress> i just ordered me a 20 gig rio karma
[12:16] <transgress> it supports OGGs!  yay!
[12:17] <transgress> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AQIFZ/qid=1115978956/br=1-6/ref=br_lf_etk_ce_av__6//002-2881296-8290455?v=glance&s=electronics&n=13873681 <-- me likes
[12:19] <transgress> and freaking flac too
[12:22] <luke_> is that $200 american?
[12:24] <firas> transgress:  found it thanks, deleted it, tried it again with no luck, I get the message "Establishing connection ..." the remote desktop screen popsup for half a second then dissapears
[12:26] <transgress> oh
[12:26] <transgress> yeah i had that too
[12:27] <transgress> go to the properties somewhere and tell it to set the background a solid color
[12:27] <transgress> that should fix it
[12:28] <transgress> luke_: yes that is 200 american
[12:28] <transgress> and i got the second to the last one
[12:28] <transgress> glad i have money in my account heh
[12:29] <luke_> thats quite cheap
[12:29] <transgress> yeah it is
[12:29] <transgress> has freaking ethernet transfer support
[12:29] <transgress> and OGG/Flac support... that is what sold me
[12:29] <candyban> Hi guys ... How can I configure the sound in amaroK to use my second soundcard? #1 instead of #0 ?
[12:30] <luke_> crazy.. it's prety ugly though:p
[12:30] <transgress> candyban: you probably have to tell kde to do so since amarok uses the kde sound system
[12:30] <transgress> luke_: looks good enough to me.
[12:30] <candyban> I want "default" KDE errors and stuff (artsd) to run on soundcard 0
[12:30] <transgress> candyban: tought titty?
[12:30] <transgress> err my bad
[12:30] <transgress> tough
[12:31] <transgress> i do believe amarok, being part of the kde multimedia, runs with artsd
[12:31] <candyban> transgress: I used to have it working using the xine engine ... 
[12:31] <transgress> well then why not try that again?
[12:31] <candyban> however all changes I make in /dev mysteriously disappear after a reboot
[12:32] <transgress> hmmm
[12:32] <candyban> transgress: I kinda forgot how I did it ...
[12:32] <transgress> probably need to install xine
[12:32] <candyban> transgress: I have installed xine
[12:32] <transgress> tehn go to Engine in the amarok properties
[12:32] <candyban> transgress: I did
[12:32] <transgress> and?
[12:32] <firas> transgress:  no such option, however I reduced the resolution to low color 8-bit instead of 16-bit and it worked fine, strange though
[12:32] <candyban> transgress: but somehow that is using soundcard 0 as well (it used to be 1 before my reboot)
[12:33] <transgress> it's there
[12:33] <transgress> let me find it
[12:33] <candyban> transgress: hence my quest for assistance so I can "survive" reboots ;)
[12:33] <transgress> firas: it's basically having problems transferring so much... tightvnc works a helluva lot better than realvnc
[12:33] <transgress> herm... quite interesting... but i don't know candyban sorry... 
[12:34] <candyban> "device used for stereo output" ... what should go there? (currently I have default) ... can't I just change it to something appropriate? (/dev/dsp1 does not work)
[12:34] <transgress> firas: you're right... the kde version of the vnc gui is jewed... the gnome one has it... 
[12:35] <firas> transgress:  only thing I don't like about the gtk one is that it doesn't give a full screen option like kdrc does
[12:36] <transgress> actually i'm pretty sure it does... if i felt like starting my lappy i'd look on... but i'm also tired right now so we'll go with you're right.
[12:36] <transgress> i really gotta stop shopping on amazon at 5:30 in the morning... 
[12:37] <transgress> i've had packages nearly every day since last week
[12:38] <transgress> i feel like such a capitalist pig
[12:43] <firas> transgress:  sorry rdesktop (gtk gui) does have a full screen mode, it's just that you can't toggle between full screen and normal mode while connected, u have to disconnect completely
[12:44] <firas> by the way, rdesktop is having the same problem so the problem's either with rdesktop itself (underlying app) or with my graphics settings
[12:45] <transgress> ah
[12:45] <transgress> k
[12:45] <transgress> well nighty night
[12:45] <transgress> i'ma go to bed before i spend the rest of my bank account
[12:45] <firas> that's a good idea :)
[12:46] <luke_> night
[12:46] <firas> 'night
[12:48] <luke_> haha
[12:59] <QrX> hi all
[12:59] <QrX> someone get time to help a  newbie ?
[01:00] <luke_> whats up
[01:00] <QrX> hi
[01:00] <luke_> whats your problem?
[01:01] <QrX> i am a newb and i want to modifiy kubuntu to get grfic root account 
[01:01] <QrX> grafic*
[01:01] <QrX> from the sart up page
[01:02] <luke_>  so you want to start kde as root?
[01:02] <QrX> indeed
[01:02] <luke_> don't, theres no point, you can use the sudo command, and it's safer  not to anyway
[01:03] <QrX> but i am really bad by using shell
[01:03] <QrX> hmmm
[01:03] <QrX> how can i work in grafical mod under basic user account then ?
[01:03] <QrX> but in root
[01:04] <luke_> depends what you want to do
[01:04] <Ken-Oh-Ki> http://pastebin.com/283603 -> trying to rsync my lan
[01:05] <QrX> cause for exemple if i want to edit the apt   sources.list in grafical i cant cause ive no rights
[01:05] <Tm_T> eeh
[01:05] <luke_> do you know how to edit your kmenu?>
[01:05] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: you have no sshd running on the local net clients.
[01:05] <QrX> not really
[01:06] <Tm_T> QrX: just run "sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:06] <luke_> ok that doesn't matter, run this in a terminal kdesu "konqueror --profile filemanagement"
[01:06] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: can you ssh 192.168.1.3 to the clients?
[01:06] <Tm_T> hah
[01:06] <QrX> sec plz
[01:06] <Tm_T> :)
[01:06] <luke_> that gives you a root file manager
[01:06] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I can ping...
[01:07] <Ken-Oh-Ki> but I can't ssh my self
[01:07] <Ken-Oh-Ki> the other client is a Win98 machine
[01:08] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: He, no sshd on win98 ;)
[01:08] <QrX> can you explain to me in pv plz 
[01:08] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Can't I edit that file by hands?
[01:08] <QrX> talking to me ?
[01:09] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: as long as /etc/resolv.conf does not change on the router, yes
[01:09] <Ken-Oh-Ki> My pc is the router
[01:09] <Ken-Oh-Ki> it's direct connected to an adsl modem
[01:10] <Ken-Oh-Ki> nameserver = machine name?
[01:10] <luke_> qrx, did you try that command I gave you?
[01:10] <QrX> well i opened the file in shell with nano
[01:10] <Ken-Oh-Ki> allee: with this kind of proxy, do I need to specify the proxy server in the clients?
[01:11] <Ken-Oh-Ki> allee: nameserver = machine name?
[01:11] <luke_> mk
[01:11] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki:  I would suggest to install pdnsd and resolvconf on the router/aka PC.  Then you can set on the clients as nameserver 10.0.0.1
[01:11] <QrX> does your command give right to work under root in grafical mode ?
[01:12] <luke_> run=    kdesu "konqueror --profile filemanagement"
[01:12] <allee> resolvconf updates pdnsd whenever you reconnect to network and nameserver changes 
[01:12] <QrX> ok sec
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> heh
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> I just use bind9
[01:12] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: your clients can then use the static router/PC address
[01:12] <Diablo-D3> and tell all the clients on the lan to connect to it
[01:13] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo: to internet connection sharing?
[01:13] <allee> Diablo-D3: never tried bind9.  What's the advantage? pdns is really easy to setup
[01:14] <QrX> ok 
[01:14] <QrX> i ran it
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> the advantage? a real dns server
[01:14] <QrX> it ask for the passwd
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> so I can have all clients resolve, say, fake domain names
[01:14] <luke_> so type in your passwork
[01:14] <Ken-Oh-Ki> ^^' All I want is to make it run
[01:14] <QrX> ok i did 
[01:15] <QrX> a window is open
[01:15] <luke_> it gives you root access to everything
[01:15] <Ken-Oh-Ki> allee: I installed pdns
[01:15] <QrX> i can seee 2 files inside
[01:15] <allee> Diablo-D3: well,  not that easy to unterstand/setup for a newbie ;)
[01:15] <Ken-Oh-Ki> the rsync still with the same errors
[01:16] <QrX> ah ok i can access the file in konqueror then
[01:16] <QrX> right ?
[01:16] <allee> With pdns you don't need to rsync
[01:16] <luke_> yeah
[01:16] <QrX> great 
[01:16] <QrX> thx a lot man
[01:16] <QrX> :)
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> allee: of course not
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> allee: actually, no, thats wrong
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> allee: it works fine by default
[01:16] <Diablo-D3> allee: even accepts outside connections
[01:16] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Now I just order to Win98 use my machine's port 80 to browse
[01:17] <luke_> no prob qrx
[01:17] <allee> Set nameserver on clients to be 10.0.0.1 (afair that's the IP of router/pc
[01:17] <QrX> sorry to be so newb 
[01:18] <allee> Diablo-D3: to minimize latency a caching name server makes most sense.  That's bind9 default?
[01:18] <QrX> :p
[01:18] <luke_> we have to learn
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> allee: bind9 does cache, yes
[01:18] <QrX> :)
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> it may not be the most optimized caching by default, but it does
[01:18] <Ken-Oh-Ki> My Win98 machine can ping both eth0 and eth1 but still not browsing
[01:19] <allee> Diablo-D3: Hmm, I'll have a look at bind9.  pdnsd did what I need/want but bind9 is definitely more flexible ;)
[01:19] <allee> Lunch. bbl
[01:19] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Does pdnsd allow to run games link Gunbound? XD
[01:20] <Diablo-D3> allee: well, if you just want to cache, then bind9 is far too big
[01:20] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo: How hard is to set it?
[01:20] <Diablo-D3> I can hook dhcp3 into bind9, and allow dynamic setting of hostnames and shit
[01:21] <snowcrash> yo 
[01:21] <snowcrash> and today 
[01:21] <snowcrash> i have no questions ;) 
[01:21] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo: All I want is the other pc able to browse ^
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: thats not hard
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> just put a dns resolver on your gateway, and point all your lan boxen to it
[01:22] <QrX> it works great
[01:22] <luke_> cool
[01:22] <Ken-Oh-Ki> ... the Win98 can ping Google, but can't browse it...
[01:22] <QrX> i will remeber the command :p
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: hrm, I wonder what you did wrong then
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: sounds like your nat isnt.
[01:23] <luke_> it might be a setting in ie ken-oh-ki
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> luke_: it isnt
[01:23] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Luke: Possible
[01:23] <luke_> look in internet options > connection settings 
[01:23] <Ken-Oh-Ki> it is all (my ip) (some port)
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> gateways are set elsewhere
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> outside of msie
[01:23] <snowcrash> luke did that browser plugin work out ?
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> "direct connection to the internet" should be set in everything
[01:24] <luke_> yeah I installed jre thanks
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> nat automagically fixes everything
[01:24] <Ken-Oh-Ki> ow
[01:26] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo-D3: removed the proxy configuration in IE, put my eth0 as ns of the Win98 and still the same
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> yes, you shouldnt set a proxy
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> especially since _you dont have one setup_
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> whats the ip of your gateway?
[01:27] <Ken-Oh-Ki> eth = 10.0.0.1
[01:27] <Ken-Oh-Ki> eth0*
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> and is it set to packet forward?
[01:28] <QrX> ok now i have to install my 3d drivers
[01:28] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Well, actually I don't remember what I did or what I didn't..
[01:28] <luke_> qrx: nvidia?
[01:29] <QrX> yup
[01:29] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Im trying to use a guidedog thing, I think
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: try sudo cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[01:29] <QrX> i did an apt get update
[01:29] <QrX> then packets are udated i hope
[01:29] <luke_> qrx: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:29] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo: it's 1
[01:29] <QrX> ok
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> then thats set right
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: not sure what you did
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> but whatever you did, you did it
[01:31] <QrX> k it says its done
[01:31] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Guidedog was set to my eth0 instead of eth1...
[01:31] <QrX> i guess i need to restart comp ..
[01:32] <luke_> o then you have to turn on the drivers, which I don't remember how to do. and I can't find out because apt is stuffed at the moment for some reason
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: yeah, dont mix your eths up
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: one is in, one is out
[01:32] <Ken-Oh-Ki> but still the same thing
[01:32] <QrX> ah i need to turn on drivers ?
[01:32] <thorre> greetings
[01:32] <luke_> yeah
[01:33] <thorre> i have been running linux for many years now (slackware) and wish to test kubuntu
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> thorre++
[01:33] <luke_> qrx: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:33] <thorre> is there anything special i need to know?
[01:33] <QrX> ah oki
[01:33] <thorre> for example is there any documentation on the package mgmt system?
[01:33] <luke_> then restart your computer
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> thorre: back up /etc, /home, and /var
[01:34] <QrX> ok it says config is successfully updated
[01:34] <QrX> i leave session then and restart comp
[01:34] <luke_> yup
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> QrX: hey
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> you dont have you restart
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> just press control-alt-backspace
[01:35] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Im almost giving up
[01:35] <Ken-Oh-Ki> this is the problem around linux
[01:36] <Ken-Oh-Ki> you must be years experient to make things run ok
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: well, the problem is, on my setup, its working fine
[01:36] <luke_> I never knew that:   :p had I known I could've saved my computer from crashing ealier today
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: and I dont have anything special going on
[01:37] <Ken-Oh-Ki> The problem is that in windows I download a 4mb program and the shit is running
[01:37] <Ken-Oh-Ki> and in linux requires 10 weird commands, 3 updates and still not running
[01:37] <Ken-Oh-Ki> that's why linux can't kick windows ass
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: like I said, Im not doing anything different, and its working fine for me
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> so its defenetly on your end
[01:38] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Could be a limitation of my isp?
[01:38] <candyban> transgress: It's working now with the other soundcard ... thank god for xine :)
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> nope
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> your isp doesnt know you're natting
[01:39] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: describe your setup to me
[01:39] <Ken-Oh-Ki> guidedog -> router -> masquing -> nom-masquing: 192.168.1.0/24
[01:39] <candyban> Diablo-D3: Even with NAT, the ISP can figure out if you are NATing
[01:39] <Diablo-D3> what is guidedog?
[01:40] <Ken-Oh-Ki> echo 1 > to that ip_forward file
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> candyban: well, technically yes
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> candyban: but they cant block using it
[01:40] <Ken-Oh-Ki> guidedog = connection sharing program
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: which.... you dont need guidedog
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: linux connection shares by default.
[01:40] <Ken-Oh-Ki> fix the resolv.conf
[01:40] <Ken-Oh-Ki> this is what I did
[01:40] <QrX> ctrl alt backspace doesnt work on my comp (
[01:40] <candyban> Diablo-D3: : if they notice different uptimes ... or if the tcp window something (can't remember) isn't a nice sequence
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> candyban: they cant read your uptime
[01:41] <candyban> Diablo-D3: they can calculate it ...
[01:41] <Diablo-D3> candyban: they could mac filter, but iirc linux obscures mac addresses
[01:41] <luke_> qrx: did you install with kubuntu cd? or did you install with a ubuntu cd and install kde?
[01:41] <QrX> no kubunto iso cd
[01:42] <QrX> kubuntu*
[01:42] <Diablo-D3> candyban: they cant in any useful way
[01:42] <luke_> ok
[01:42] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: I'd ditch guidedog first
[01:42] <candyban> Diablo-D3: : mac filter? MAC addresses are lost when changing network segment ... meaning the ISP will always see the MAC address of your NAT box
[01:42] <Diablo-D3> candyban: bingo.
[01:42] <luke_> well if control alt backspace doesn't work restart your computer
[01:42] <Ken-Oh-Ki> removed guidedog
[01:42] <QrX> i did
[01:43] <Diablo-D3> luke_: it doesnt
[01:43] <luke_> cool
[01:43] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Im tired of it
[01:43] <Diablo-D3> luke_: it just kills X
[01:43] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: does it work now?
[01:43] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Of course not
[01:43] <Diablo-D3> whats the ip of your outside connection eth?
[01:43] <Ken-Oh-Ki> as the f*cking flash installer didn't work
[01:43] <Ken-Oh-Ki> FF installer didn't work
[01:44] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Im tired cause NOTHING WORKS
[01:44] <Ken-Oh-Ki> EVERYTHING NEEDS THOUSAND OF COMMANDS TO WORK
[01:44] <Ken-Oh-Ki> and NO website shows it
[01:44] <QrX> i know the feeling  ......
[01:44] <Ken-Oh-Ki> 200.96.114.88
[01:44] <Ken-Oh-Ki> When Linux stop being this pain in the ass, it will be good enough to take out windows
[01:44] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: and you have 192.168.0.1 as your inside nic's ip?
[01:45] <Diablo-D3> well, its not a pain in the ass, you're just choosing to make it so
[01:45] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I hate windows but I must say that linux still not ready to this
[01:45] <Tm_T> ehh
[01:45] <Ken-Oh-Ki> eth0 10.0.0.1, points ppp0
[01:45] <Ken-Oh-Ki> eth1 192.168.1.2, points lan
[01:45] <Diablo-D3> hhrrrmm....
[01:46] <Diablo-D3> something isnt quite right
[01:46] <Diablo-D3> oh duh
[01:46] <Diablo-D3> hah
[01:46] <Diablo-D3> eth0 is very unlikely to be 10.0.0.1
[01:46] <QrX> is it good idea to install nvidia settings ?
[01:46] <Diablo-D3> it should be a real internet ip
[01:46] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo-D3: not in PPPOE
[01:46] <QrX> nvidia-settings
[01:47] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: er, hrm
[01:47] <luke_> qrx, nah no point, they don't do anything
[01:47] <Ken-Oh-Ki> modem has the real IP, eth0 has only a lan ip
[01:47] <QrX> really ,
[01:47] <QrX> ?
[01:47] <Ken-Oh-Ki> a lan made by eth0 and the modem
[01:47] <Diablo-D3> thats fubar
[01:47] <QrX> on site they say its helpfull
[01:47] <luke_> you can if you want
[01:47] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: whats your default route set to?
[01:47] <QrX> is it helpfull or no ?
[01:48] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I don't know
[01:48] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: ask route
[01:48] <luke_> I don't think so
[01:48] <QrX> k :)
[01:48] <candyban> Diablo-D3: http://seclists.org/lists/nmap-dev/2001/Jan-Mar/0014.html
[01:48] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: it will say default under Destination, and something for gateway
[01:49] <Ken-Oh-Ki> http://pastebin.com/283613
[01:49] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: that gateway should be ... I _think_ your modem
[01:49] <Ken-Oh-Ki> yes it is
[01:49] <Diablo-D3> and you connect fine from your gateway?
[01:49] <Ken-Oh-Ki> well, Im browsing my ass off
[01:50] <Ken-Oh-Ki> the weird is that the other machine can PING but can't vrowse
[01:50] <Ken-Oh-Ki> *browse
[01:50] <Diablo-D3> wtf.
[01:50] <Diablo-D3> I wonder...
[01:50] <Diablo-D3> change your window's box ip to 10.0.0.2
[01:51] <Ken-Oh-Ki> nothing uses 10.0.0.2
[01:51] <Ken-Oh-Ki> in windows I use
[01:51] <Diablo-D3> Im saying move your lan segment to 10.0.0.*
[01:51] <Ken-Oh-Ki> eth0 = 192.168.1.1, eth1 = 192.168.1.2, Win98 = 192.168.1.3
[01:52] <Ken-Oh-Ki> then I put some proxy and everything is running ok
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> wait, crap
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> that cant work
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> nm.
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> damn damn damn
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> Im missing something here.
[01:52] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I put different mask
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: traceroute google.com
[01:52] <Ken-Oh-Ki> eth0 uses 255.255.0.0 and eth1 use /24
[01:53] <Ken-Oh-Ki> everything timed out
[01:53] <Diablo-D3> so, wait
[01:54] <Diablo-D3> traceroute from your gateway
[01:54] <Diablo-D3> does it pass through eth0? (thats the outside one, right?)
[01:54] <Ken-Oh-Ki> with guidedog on and I got all the ip structure
[01:56] <Diablo-D3> Ken-Oh-Ki: I think I know whats going on, though.
[01:56] <Ken-Oh-Ki> what's the traceroute for linux?
[01:56] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install traceroute
[01:56] <Diablo-D3> Ill brb, gotta use phone
[01:57] <Ken-Oh-Ki> As expected... even quicker... win98 is a little slow
[02:01] <DiabloD3> hey Ken-Oh-Ki 
[02:01] <DiabloD3> Ken-Oh-Ki: you still around?
[02:01] <DiabloD3> try this
[02:01] <DiabloD3> set your gateway on your windows box to 200.180.143.225
[02:02] <Ken-Oh-Ki> my IP is dynamic
[02:02] <DiabloD3> I know
[02:02] <DiabloD3> but try it anyhow
[02:02] <Ken-Oh-Ki> ok..
[02:03] <Ken-Oh-Ki> if ppp0 "overwrites" eht0 ip, should't I guide Win98 with eth1 ip as gateway?
[02:04] <DiabloD3> Ken-Oh-Ki: Im thinking ppp0 is bridged...
[02:04] <DiabloD3> Ken-Oh-Ki: which means eth0 doesnt exist anymore
[02:04] <DiabloD3> its just an interface that you cant use
[02:04] <DiabloD3> Ken-Oh-Ki: but did setting your windows box to that work?
[02:04] <luke_> I'm going to bed night all
[02:05] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo: http://pastebin.com/283618
[02:05] <Ken-Oh-Ki> luke: Cya
[02:06] <DiabloD3> Ken-Oh-Ki: I'd love to know if that works, btw
[02:09] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Diablo: what?
[02:10] <DiabloD3> setting your windows box's gateway to 200.180.143.225
[02:10] <Ken-Oh-Ki> don't even tracerouted it
[02:13] <DiabloD3> well
[02:13] <DiabloD3> its not that then
[02:13] <DiabloD3> Ive ran out of ideas
[02:14] <DiabloD3> its something really obvious, and Im not thinking of it
[02:14] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki,  DiabloD3: back.  What refuses to work?
[02:15] <DiabloD3> allee: he cant get his pppoe-using gateway to properly route packets for his lan
[02:15] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: you use guidedog, right?
[02:15] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Win98 ping, traces route but can't browse
[02:16] <Ken-Oh-Ki> yep, tried to remove but got even worse
[02:16] <DiabloD3> allee: he shouldnt need guidedog, though
[02:16] <snowcrash> DiabloD3 java und eclipse works now 
[02:16] <snowcrash> even its a bit slow 
[02:16] <DiabloD3> snowcrash: ... um, good. Why are you telling me? ;)
[02:16] <snowcrash> kde seems not to be the fastest 
[02:16] <allee> DiabloD3: why?  the router pc needs to route from localnet IF to pppoe IF
[02:17] <DiabloD3> allee: well, am I missing something? I dont use pppoe, and I'm routing packets fine without special software
[02:17] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Mmm... and I still neegint to work on Windows nat ^
[02:17] <Ken-Oh-Ki> ^^'
[02:18] <allee> Windows NAT?  AFAIU the router pc has to do NAT
[02:18] <DiabloD3> allee: his linux box is the gateway
[02:19] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Win98 -> eth1 -> MyPC(kubuntu/WinXP) -> eth0 -> ADSL Modem -> RJ45 -> Internet
[02:20] <allee> DiabloD3: I know Ken-Oh-Ki told me yesterday   I use my laptop for the same purpose at home ;)
[02:20] <DiabloD3> allee: your laptop is the router?
[02:20] <Ken-Oh-Ki> hehehehe
[02:21] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I just imagined a giant datacenter waiting a tiny laptop to be able to browse
[02:21] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki:  he, he.   I pay for connection time.  So me and my family can browse together ;)   Just to lazy to spend some Euro for hardware ;)
[02:22] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Here we pay about 30 euro for a 300 kbps connection
[02:23] <DiabloD3> allee: come on man
[02:23] <DiabloD3> are you using your laptop as a router?
[02:23] <allee> Ken-Oh-Ki: I live in nowhere.  Only modem or idsn :(  (ignoring DSL via satalitte)
[02:24] <DiabloD3> COME ON MAN
[02:24] <DiabloD3> ARE YOU USING YOUR LAPTOP AS A ROUTER!?
[02:24] <Ken-Oh-Ki> Well
[02:24] <Ken-Oh-Ki> I gotta go
[02:24] <DiabloD3> seeya
[02:24] <Ken-Oh-Ki> later I solve this then
[02:24] <Ken-Oh-Ki> now I need to re-configure the Win98
[02:24] <Ken-Oh-Ki> cya
[02:24] <allee> DiabloD3: Yes,  but only when I'm at home and another fam. member what's to to go internet too ;)
[02:24] <DiabloD3> AHAH
[02:24] <DiabloD3> Im not the only one who does that
[02:25] <DiabloD3> my laptop is a fulltime server.
[02:26] <allee> DiabloD3: Yeah,  I was already in e-bay, then thought, hey I'm using linux.   And half an hour later I had my own family router ;)
[02:26] <DiabloD3> its also a 2ndary monitor in a fake dual head setup
[02:27] <allee> with 2 mices and two keyboards?
[02:28] <DiabloD3> yup
[02:28] <DiabloD3> well, one mouse and keyboard
[02:28] <DiabloD3> the ones on my laptop dont count
[02:29] <DiabloD3> allee: I use x2vnc + x11vnc to share the input
[02:29] <QrX> me again
[02:29] <allee> DiabloD3:  interesting, setup
[02:30] <QrX> what do i do to get mp3 ?
[02:30] <DiabloD3> apt-get install t3h-mp3?
[02:30] <DiabloD3> yeah, it works great
[02:30] <DiabloD3> I just cant send windows to my other desktop
[02:30] <DiabloD3> not that I mind, I dont want to do that anyho
[02:39] <Tm_T> kkathman o/
[02:49] <kkathman> howdy there Tm_T :)
[02:49] <kkathman> wassup today?
[02:49] <kkathman> Hey there NTolerance  :)
[02:50] <NTolerance> hey
[02:51] <NTolerance> how's it goin'?
[02:51] <kkathman> its goin ok I guess, hard week..glad its over
[02:51] <NTolerance> friday, hell yeah
[02:51] <Tm_T> :)
[02:52] <Tm_T> pizza&coke <3
[03:01] <kkathman> I just got up...need coffee :)
[03:03] <Prague2> hi everybody
[03:03] <Prague2> is there anyone who kows by any chance if is possible to install kubuntu via ftp without cd-rom or via iso? anyway without using any external support such as floppy, usb or cd-rom :/
[03:07] <kkathman> Prague2: Not yet, but they are working on that for the future I think.
[03:08] <Prague2> thanx :/ 
[03:09] <kkathman> no prob
[03:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: mhhkoffee
[03:25] <Tm_T> caffeine <3
[03:46] <Tm_T> \sh: ping
[03:51] <da_bon_bon> anyone from india out here ?
[03:51] <Tm_T> no but from Finland yes
[03:51] <Tm_T> ;p
[03:51] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: well, wont help :0
[03:51] <da_bon_bon> :)
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: coz i am looking for kubuntu cds :)
[03:54] <Tm_T> haha
[04:04] <darkstar> hi
[04:05] <kkathman> sorry was away...still having plumbing repairs :)
[04:08] <Tm_T> :p
[04:13] <kkathman> howdy there mrmanic :)
[04:15] <mrmanic> hi kkathman 
[04:16] <darkstar> hi everybody
[04:16] <kkathman> hi darkstar 
[04:16] <darkstar> whats install kubuntu xchat 2.4.3
[04:16] <darkstar> ?
[04:16] <mrmanic> ?
[04:16] <darkstar> xchat install ?
[04:17] <darkstar> sorrlittle speak english
[04:17] <mrmanic> sudo apt-get install xchat?
[04:17] <darkstar> down version 2.4.1
[04:18] <kkathman> why do you want to use xchat?
[04:18] <kkathman> thats a gtk
[04:18] <kkathman> you could try Konversation under KDE :)
[04:19] <mrmanic> konversation is a pretty good client.  has a few quirks I could live without, but for the most part, I like it a lot.
[04:19] <psn> mrmanic: have you reported the quirks as bugs?
[04:19] <mrmanic> nah
[04:20] <mrmanic> they're not bugs
[04:20] <psn> mrmanic: like?
[04:20] <mrmanic> like the server tabs are required
[04:20] <mrmanic> that's the big one
[04:20] <NTolerance> konversion 0.17 is better than the one that comes with Kubuntu
[04:20] <NTolerance> konversation rather
[04:21] <Tm_T> heh
[04:21] <mrmanic> I keep thinking of switching over to KDE HEAD
[04:21] <mae> whats a good kde app for ripping cd's
[04:21] <kkathman> NTolerance: what are the benefits of 0.17?
[04:22] <psn> mrmanic: well hopefuly I'll solve that one for 0.18
[04:22] <NTolerance> the main thing is that it doesn't have the "real names" of the people in your userlist
[04:23] <mrmanic> NTolerance: you don't like the real names of the people in your userlist?
[04:23] <NTolerance> no, takes up too much space 
[04:23] <mrmanic> Ah
[04:23] <mrmanic> I kinda like it.
[04:23] <NTolerance> if i really want to see who someone is....just whois
[04:23] <NTolerance> plus, why put your real name here anyways?
[04:23] <mrmanic> Mostly b/c I have a bunch of people in my various channels in my addressbook
[04:23] <mrmanic> and have them linked
[04:23] <mrmanic> So I really do get their real name.
[04:24] <kkathman> NTolerance: well, its not hard to mask that yanno :)
[04:24] <NTolerance> ?
[04:25] <NTolerance> did the kdelibs problem get fixed in the repositories?  i saw a new version in synaptic
[04:25] <Tm_T> ?
[04:25] <kkathman> hmmm I havent heard
[04:26] <mrmanic> mae: kaudiocreator?
[04:26] <Tm_T> NTolerance: I don't think so
[04:28] <kkathman> mae: you might go to www.kde.org and peruse their applications list.. Im sure there is a CD ripper there
[04:28] <mrmanic> doesn't kaudiocreator get installed by default with kubuntu?
[04:29] <psn> just use audiocd:/ in konq
[04:30] <mrmanic> man I love kioslaves
[04:31] <mrmanic> I would qualify kioslaves as a feature that makes KDE better than anything else out there (that I've tried, anyway)
[04:38] <NTolerance> i've learned that gtk-engines-gtk-qt is what causes Firefox to close when you change desktops or backgrounds
[04:38] <NTolerance> what is kioslaves?
[04:39] <mae> does kubuntu come with the gecko renderer for konqueror?
[04:40] <kkathman> NTolerance: I havent had a problem one with Firefox or Opera. Tho, Opera sometimes gets stuck on some websites, but I think thats an Opera thing, not gtk or KDE
[04:40] <kkathman> mae: I dont think so, but I want to think that Konq is gekko based, since it seems to after Netscape plugins
[04:41] <kkathman> *go after 
[04:42] <mae> kkathman, by default it uses khtml
[04:42] <mae> there is a gecko kpart .. i was wondering if kubuntu came with it.. konqueror can use either
[04:42] <kkathman> ahh ok...I remember it wasnt pure gekko
[04:42] <kkathman> I dont use konq for my browser, so I really havent pursued it
[04:46] <mae> does amarok play video?
[04:46] <mae> kkathman, what do you use?
[04:47] <NTolerance> speaking of video players, is there one out there besides Totem that DOESN'T leave a systray icon after you run it?
[04:47] <mae> hah, i think you can turn that off
[04:47] <mae> totem really isnt a kde app..
[04:47] <mae> kaffeine is a xine kde front end
[04:48] <NTolerance> i know...but i use Totem because i hate pointless systray icons
[04:48] <mae> i dont think xine-ui leaves a systray icon
[04:48] <Tm_T> buggy one =)
[04:48] <NTolerance> reminds me of Windows
[04:48] <psn> NTolerance: kaffaine if you dissable the systray icon
[04:48] <NTolerance> ok
[04:48] <NTolerance> psn what kaffeine package do you use?
[04:49] <NTolerance> i know the one that comes with Ubuntu has a lot of problems
[04:49] <NTolerance> err Kubuntu
[04:49] <mae> oh?
[04:49] <mae> how do you kn ow that heh
[04:49] <psn> NTolerance: the Kubuntu package...
[04:50] <NTolerance> :(
[04:50] <mae> if you really want bleeding edge you could always hop on debian sid packages
[04:50] <mae> as long as it doesnt require ubuntu-specific stuff
[04:50] <NTolerance> there's lots of problem reports with the kubuntu version, just look at the forums
[04:50] <psn> NTolerance: I really don't have any major problems with it for what I use it for
[04:51] <NTolerance> nobody has problems but me :(
[04:52] <psn> NTolerance: I only have kubuntu on my laptop though... on my other computers I use KDE svn
[04:53] <NTolerance> KDE svn?
[04:54] <psn> NTolerance: KDE from KDE's subversion repository
[04:54] <kkathman> mae: hehe Debian sid - now that IS living on the edge :)
[04:55] <kkathman> NTolerance: there are plenty of problems with the Kubuntu disk install, if thats what you are talking about..they have been documented and hopefully will be fixed soon.
[04:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: not really =)
[04:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: SID isn't unstable as meaning of unstable, it's just unstable to be debian ;p
[04:56] <kkathman> Tm_T well, thats where most new stuff goes...ubuntu
[04:57] <kkathman> ubuntu doesnt seem to have anything quite like sid
[04:57] <Tm_T> :)
[04:58] <ubuntu> mornin
[04:58] <v3trae> there we go
[04:58] <Tm_T> :)
[04:59] <v3trae> Question, I'm runnin off the live CD, curiuos if tehres a way to force it to run in a higher resolution, my monitor supports much higher but it forces me to run in 640
[04:59] <v3trae> and thats too damn small
[05:02] <kkathman> v3trae: Kubuntu Live?  or Ubuntu Live?
[05:02] <kkathman> trying to see if you are in KDE or Gnome
[05:03] <v3trae> Kubuntu
[05:03] <v3trae> kde
[05:03] <v3trae> the KDE desktop setup thing doesn't help
[05:03] <v3trae> it doesn't show anything over 600
[05:03] <v3trae> err 640
[05:04] <v3trae> xrandr only shows 640 also.
[05:04] <regeya> hi LoRez
[05:04] <kkathman> v3trae: can you right click on the desktop and get to the configure desktop option?
[05:04] <v3trae> yes, but it doesn't show anything above 640
[05:05] <kkathman> hmm, I never did the Live CD so I dunno, in the full install, you get an interactive screen that lets you choose what resolutions your monitor will support...If you install, pay particular attention there, many people just skip by it
[05:06] <StR> Hi all!
[05:06] <StR> I'm still having problems with installing kubuntu-desktop in my breezy
[05:06] <StR> anyone having breezy?
[05:06] <v3trae> k xrandr -s 1280x1024 should work shouldn't it?
[05:07] <mae> kkathman, you just gotta d/l the updates for kubuntu and your good, right?
[05:07] <kkathman> you shouldnt be using breezy...even says so in the topic of this channel :)
[05:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: was it you who asked about finnish internet radios?
[05:07] <kkathman> mae: yep should be good
[05:07] <mae> ya i changed my repo's to breezy before i came in here.
[05:08] <mae> i already had done the dist-upgrade
[05:08] <mae> so i'm gonna reinstall kubuntu when the iso finishes :)
[05:08] <mae> i had ubuntu before
[05:08] <kkathman> mae: well if you are upgrading, good luck that should have updated everything actually
[05:08] <v3trae> whats the KDE equivilent to gedit?
[05:08] <mae> kkathman, um, well the problem is theres alot of packages missing from breezy
[05:08] <mae> hehe
[05:08] <kkathman> mae: breezy is very unstable right now, so you probably will encounter alot of probs
[05:09] <kkathman> yep
[05:09] <mae> not so much stability problems
[05:09] <kkathman> thats why the channel topic says "Dont Use Breezy"
[05:09] <mae> heh
[05:09] <mae> well like i said
[05:09] <mae> i did that before reading the topic
[05:09] <kkathman> well, as I understand it, KDE is disconnected somewhat at times in breezy
[05:10] <kkathman> I never upgrade to the new release at least until there is a pre-release notification
[05:10] <StR> I wanted to use breezy to report broken packages and bugs with the new version
[05:11] <ubuntu> wow this is incredibly frustrating... theres no reason why this shouldn't work
[05:12] <kkathman> StR  have at it :)
[05:14] <v3trae> god damn live cd's resetting my name /growl
[05:14] <kkathman> hmm
[05:16] <mae> don't blaspheme
[05:17] <kkathman> mae: thank you :)
[05:18] <v3trae> k well thanks for the help you could give friends, GL to you
[05:19] <mae> hm
[05:24] <mae> i'll be back
[05:24] <mae> i'm gonna go buy LCD's and amd64 parts
[05:25] <amu> LCD's ? .. amd64 parts? 
[05:27] <kkathman> mae: be careful about amd64 and linux
[05:27] <kkathman> Better to stick with a 32-bit CPU 
[05:28] <KaiL_> he can also run the Athlon 64 with 32Bit Linux ;)
[05:30] <kkathman> KaiL_: well thats true...hehe but if you have the choice and want to put a box together, just save the money and get a Sempron CPU
[05:30] <KaiL_> but a k8 based Sempron
[05:31] <KaiL_> (your energy bill will thank you ;)
[05:31] <kkathman> hehe true enough
[05:31] <KaiL_> don't know, if that's relevant in Texas
[05:31] <kkathman> I got a 2500+...I know I prolly should have spent a few extra bucks to get the 3100..but I can do that later if I want
[05:32] <KaiL_> 0,15EUR/kWh here
[05:32] <kkathman> KaiL_: energy is always relevant in Texas :)
[05:32] <KaiL_> 2500+ for Socket 754?!?
[05:32] <kkathman> KaiL_: yah
[05:32] <KaiL_> I thought, it starts with 2600+
[05:33] <buz> sempron starts at 2600+ i think
[05:33] <kkathman> remember I was going cheap on my first Linux box :)
[05:33] <kkathman> nope I have a 2500
[05:33] <buz> socket754? u sure?
[05:33] <KaiL_> and cool&quite only for 3000+ (1,8GHz, 128kiB) and 3100+ (1,8Ghz, 256KiB)
[05:33] <buz> can't find that specimen anywhere
[05:34] <kkathman> http://www.epinions.com/pr-AMD_Sempron_2500_1_75_GHz_sda2500box_Processor
[05:34] <buz> weird cant get it here
[05:34] <kkathman> http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-AMD_AMD_Sempron_2500_1_7Ghz_Socket_A_256KB_333Mhx_Boxed
[05:34] <KaiL_> ...Socket A
[05:34] <buz> dude socketa
[05:35] <KaiL_> -> K7, with ~60W :p
[05:35] <buz> K7 is a seriously shitty cpu by todays standards
[05:35] <kkathman> shrug...it was cheap
[05:35] <kkathman> and performs well for a throw away machine
[05:35] <buz> well it does
[05:35] <buz> but its a pain to cool
[05:35] <kkathman> like I said...I spent another $130 and get a new mobo and cpu when I want :)
[05:35] <buz> i got a real athlon64 3000+
[05:36] <KaiL_> buz: Winchester?
[05:36] <buz> yeah
[05:36] <kkathman> yeah I have an athlon 64 3000 on my win box
[05:36] <buz> venice didnt quite ship yet
[05:36] <buz> but as my board is being replaced, i coul dhave waited and got venice :(
[05:37] <KaiL_> the Venice has a slightly reduced core voltage -> again some W less
[05:37] <kkathman> the 754 mobos are pretty expensive...much more than the Socket A...I have two kids in college and I dont have alot of spare cash :)
[05:37] <kkathman> it goes to them :)
[05:37] <buz> well the 3000+ runs at somewhere around 30w
[05:37] <buz> that's good enough
[05:37] <KaiL_> kkathman: here in Germany you save that money in around a half year
[05:38] <kkathman> wow energy is that expensive?
[05:38] <buz> no
[05:38] <buz> sanely priced
[05:38] <KaiL_> 0,15 EUR/kWh
[05:38] <Tm_T> hmh
[05:39] <kkathman> my company pays for 1/6th of my energy bill and all of my internet, so its not as big a deal :)
[05:39] <Tm_T> but when you don't pay electric bill yourself... ;p
[05:39] <kkathman> all my phone too
[05:39] <KaiL_> kkathman: 1/6, s you have to pay the other 5/6 ;)
[05:39] <kkathman> KaiL_:  uhm... well yeah I work out of my home
[05:40] <kkathman> The company isnt interested in paying me to wash clothes and keep food cold :)
[05:40] <kkathman> only to keep power to my computers :)
[05:40] <KaiL_> lol
[05:41] <buz> mhh rotten food makes you sick
[05:41] <buz> so you cant work
[05:41] <buz> so yes they are interested in cooling your food ;)
[05:41] <amu> kkathman: sounds cool, i imagine, he could offer you also a free housekeeper :) 
[05:41] <kkathman> dont I wish that were the case, amu :)
[05:41] <KaiL_> kkathman: the K8-Sempron saves here around 1,5 EUR/day
[05:42] <KaiL_> 10,5 EUR/week
[05:42] <kkathman> KaiL_: really?  wow 
[05:42] <kkathman> if I could save $10 a week ...I'd certainly do that
[05:42] <KaiL_> uhm....
[05:42] <KaiL_> eh, no
[05:42] <KaiL_> missed one 0
[05:43] <KaiL_> yes, 0,15 EUR/day :)
[05:43] <KaiL_> ...still ~55EUR/year
[05:43] <kkathman> but seeing that I have, 10 computers in my home, a switch, washer, dryer. 4 TVs, fridge and other assorted electronics, its pretty clear that it would be a pimple on the ass of my electric bill :)
[05:43] <buz> you run all tvs at the same time? wtf
[05:44] <KaiL_> 4 TVs?!?
[05:44] <amu> kkathman: in germany internet is cheaper than electric 
[05:44] <kkathman> and when I factor in the company subsidy...welll...
[05:44] <KaiL_> a typical european household has 2, maybe 3 (if there are 2 children...)
[05:44] <kkathman> my internet is FAR cheaper than my electric..even if I was paying for it :)
[05:44] <buz> depends
[05:44] <buz> most people i know with teenagers got one for every person in the house ;)
[05:44] <kkathman> my internet is cheaper than my Satellite dish or even my phone bill :)
[05:45] <kkathman> 4 TVs - main living room, master bedroom, my office, son's room
[05:45] <KaiL_> phone bills are horror here
[05:45] <buz> dont use the phone
[05:45] <buz> that simple
[05:45] <KaiL_> TV in bedroom? no
[05:45] <buz> its evil technology anyway
[05:45] <KaiL_> TV in office? ok
[05:46] <kkathman> lol
[05:46] <buz> i don't particularly like the tv in the bedroom
[05:46] <buz> but you can win arguments with women
[05:46] <KaiL_> TV in living room? should be unused, until the other is used
[05:46] <kkathman> nah TV in the bedroom is ok, switch it on while getting ready in the morning
[05:46] <buz> personally, i prefer the beamer in the living room :)
[05:46] <buz> but i don't watch tv anyway
[05:47] <KaiL_> do you switch all this stuff ever off?
[05:47] <`TUX``> hi 
[05:47] <`TUX``> some  tips about the  new upgrade 
[05:47] <`TUX``> no kmail 
[05:48] <`TUX``> no konqueror
[05:48] <`TUX``> etc etc..
[05:48] <thedman> what upgrade?
[05:48] <KaiL_> as the topic said :P
[05:48] <kkathman> no, we usually have only 1  TV on at a time, if any.  at most, we might have 3, cuz the girls will watch a movie in the living area, young son might be playing a Video game on his, and oldest son and I watching a ball game in my office
[05:48] <KaiL_> don't use breezy - until you know, what you are doing!
[05:48] <buz> yeah kaffeine finally got updated
[05:49] <kkathman> we invest in home entertainment, cuz it costs so much to go out
[05:49] <buz> talk about it
[05:49] <Tm_T> haha
[05:49] <KaiL_> LOL
[05:49] <buz> go out ten times and the beamer is paid for
[05:49] <`TUX``> ok thanks
[05:49] <KaiL_> ..no wonder, that US-guys are getting fat :p
[05:49] <`TUX``> kail  
[05:49] <`TUX``> i come  from  two  years of  mad  cooker
[05:49] <buz> wtf
[05:49] <buz> i'm not in the us
[05:49] <buz> and i'm not fat, either
[05:50] <KaiL_> `TUX``: try to reinstall konqueror and kmail
[05:50] <`TUX``> that os  breezy  is  nothing  compared :D
[05:50] <KaiL_> maybe the updates are already there :)
[05:50] <kkathman> KaiL_:  yep fat and happy lol...chips and beer around :)
[05:51] <buz> judging by the massive profits of all the anti depressants in the us, people aren't quite that happy
[05:51] <`TUX``> *mdk  cooker 
[05:51] <buz> ieew
[05:51] <`TUX``> *on
[05:51] <NTolerance> i don't believe in healthy eating.....what's another 10 years in a nursing home?
[05:51] <buz> cooker doesn't really run ever
[05:51] <buz> NTolerance: true
[05:52] <kkathman> NTolerance:  lol
[05:52] <buz> but healthy eating also means looking ok at 50 and thus getting hot chicks
[05:52] <Tm_T> ?
[05:52] <NTolerance> i'm skinny, i just enjoy whatever food i want
[05:52] <buz> well in that case it doesnt matter too much
[05:52] <NTolerance> and beer, smokes, whatever :D
[05:52] <buz> but too much beer (which i love) makes me fat
[05:52] <kkathman> buz: well, thats a trend quite around the world actually, but I guess if we would just quit helping everyone on the globe, maybe we'd be a bit happier :)
[05:53] <KaiL_> ...this explains, why US cars are bigger: the people are bigger, eh fatter ;)
[05:53] <kkathman> buz: light beer man ... well...maybe not
[05:53] <buz> if the us would quit "helping" the world would be better off, yeah
[05:53] <kkathman> KaiL_: we have bigger ones in Texas too :)
[05:53] <KaiL_> << no smoking, no alcohol, no drugs
[05:54] <NTolerance> i drive a subcompact car thanks very much
[05:54] <KaiL_> buz: well, the US-guys aren't even allowed to _think_ about sex, so they need other plesures *g*
[05:54] <NTolerance> a european car, even
[05:54] <amu> KaiL_: also no women?
[05:54] <kkathman> buz: Im for that .. screw everyone I say, let them worry about their own neighbors, but yanno funny thing, your government and others seem to scream bloody murder when we try to do that :)
[05:54] <KaiL_> NTolerance: what's a "subcompact car"?
[05:54] <NTolerance> a small car
[05:54] <KaiL_> like?
[05:54] <NTolerance> not as small like a smart car or anything...
[05:54] <kkathman> KaiL_: I think about it all the time..Im healthy :)
[05:55] <NTolerance> i have a VW GTI
[05:55] <KaiL_> Golf?
[05:55] <NTolerance> yeah
[05:55] <NTolerance> MKIV
[05:55] <KaiL_> that's not "small", that's "medium"
[05:55] <NTolerance> it's small in the US
[05:55] <KaiL_> wow
[05:55] <NTolerance> see, over here we don't tax our gas to pay for social systems, so it's cheaper
[05:55] <kkathman> its funny in Texas almost all you see is these huge SUVs...in California, you see all the little shit cars :)
[05:56] <NTolerance> the People's Republik of Kalifornia
[05:56] <kkathman> I own a small Infinity, and wife has a sports car
[05:56] <KaiL_> kkathman: little cars? you should come to europe to see, what's _small_  :)
[05:56] <buz> in most of europe, gas tax doesnt go towards social security
[05:56] <NTolerance> it goes somewhere
[05:56] <NTolerance> black hole maybe?
[05:56] <NTolerance> :P
[05:56] <kkathman> KaiL_: yah...I have friends in the Netherlands..they say the same thing
[05:57] <kkathman> gas tax doesnt go toward Soc Security here either
[05:57] <buz> it mostly goes towards road upkeep and environmental issues
[05:57] <KaiL_> NTolerance: better roads (we don't need to creep with 80km/h around)
[05:57] <buz> public transport
[05:57] <kkathman> buz: same here
[05:57] <NTolerance> that's easy when the countries are small
[05:57] <KaiL_> oh, and in .ch also to make holes everywhere ;)
[05:57] <kkathman> Texas is unusual, as it does NOT have a state income tax, other states do tho
[05:57] <NTolerance> i hate income tax
[05:58] <buz> yeah those fucking tunnels sure cost a bundle
[05:58] <buz> but swiss roads are top
[05:58] <buz> i woudlnt want to live in texas even if they paid me to do so
[05:59] <KaiL_> I'd say, there are really very much differences between USA and Europe...
[05:59] <buz> theres even a lot of difference inside each of the two
[05:59] <kkathman> buz: now Im sure you know everything there is to know about Texas
[05:59] <KaiL_> but smaller ones
[05:59] <buz> enough to not want to live there
[05:59] <kkathman> like what buz?
[05:59] <buz> like religious right
[06:00] <buz> crazy governors
[06:00] <kkathman> lol...you've been reading too much propaganda
[06:00] <kkathman> and they call US ignorant of other geographies :)
[06:00] <buz> besides, as a swiss i have my own views on what constitutes a democracy
[06:01] <kkathman> buz:  well doesnt everyone :)
[06:01] <buz> well by swiss standards, there are very very few democracies in the world
[06:01] <Tezkah> its time!
[06:01] <kkathman> and the Swiss have been delegated as the benchmark for this?
[06:01] <KaiL_> kkathman: in most parts of Europe it's not allowed to carry weapons
[06:01] <Tezkah> ITS TIME TO HATE THE SWISS
[06:02] <kkathman> KaiL_: ahh thats too bad, Im sorry
[06:02] <KaiL_> but it's allowed to talk about sex everywhere ;)
[06:02] <buz> yeah and teach evolution
[06:02] <kkathman> again, buz, you are showing your ignorance
[06:02] <Tezkah> I'm sick of their good reputation
[06:02] <buz> no its quite objective if you consider the power the people actually wield, not just their greedy representants
[06:02] <kkathman> you believe too much of your press
[06:03] <Tezkah> I'm sick of their cheese, I'm sick of their chocolote, and I'm especially sick of their  blcocky heroin, Heidi!
[06:03] <buz> i know enough americans who refuse to go to the south
[06:03] <kkathman> lol Tezkah  :)
[06:03] <KaiL_> kkathman: now explain, how you see europe
[06:03] <Tezkah>  I mean, every other nation in the world has taken their turn being maligned and slandered. But not the Swi-iss!
[06:03] <buz> not true
[06:03] <buz> ed fagan slandered us quite liberally
[06:03] <Tezkah> Well, that situation is over as of now. *Move* over America; there's a new asshole on the map! I've had it up to here with your skiing heroes! I've had it up to here with your mountains! I've had it up to here with your secret *bank* accounts! From now on, Switzerland, your name is mud.
[06:03] <buz> so we keep your money
[06:04] <buz> lets see what happens on the financial markets LOL
[06:04] <Tezkah> Yeah. It's *war* between the Swiss and me. "But, they've never done anything wrong," you say.
[06:04] <Tezkah> What about the clock?
[06:04] <kkathman> KaiL_: I tend to have a non myopic view.  First, I have only traveled to Europe a few times, and thus, wont make outlandish statements that I dont know firsthand
[06:04] <Tezkah> Huh? If they hadn't invented the clock, I'd still be in bed. . .dreaming!
[06:04] <buz> define travel
[06:04] <KaiL_> kkathman: I thought about moral here
[06:05] <KaiL_> ...sex everywhere
[06:05] <buz> 4 week trips dont give much of a real view on anything
[06:05] <kkathman> KaiL_:  I do work with my colleagues in the UK and the Netherlands, and they tell me things that I have no reason to doubt so whatever
[06:05] <KaiL_> buz: and if he'd been in Amsterdam.. oh my..:)
[06:05] <buz> never made it there
[06:05] <buz> but zurich is quite close
[06:05] <buz> (only the swiss are a bit uptight)
[06:06] <Tezkah> is it true that in France there are no TVs?
[06:06] <Tezkah> and the kids have to stare off into the distance
[06:06] <KaiL_> what, drugs are legal in Zurich?
[06:06] <kkathman> KaiL_: I would probably agree that my perception of Europe is much more liberal and permissive by my own standards than I would enjoy. But thats just my own personal choice. What you like is what you like :)
[06:06] <Tezkah> because tehy're forced to drink a bottle of wine per meal?
[06:06] <buz> mhh situation is kinda like in holland
[06:06] <buz> nobody really cares for pot that much
[06:06] <buz> the police will occasionally raid some places but aside of that, you can go smoke it at the lake just fine
[06:06] <KaiL_> Tezkah: not really
[06:07] <buz> kkathman: you say yourself it's more liberal
[06:07] <buz> for my taste, it's not even liberal enough
[06:07] <buz> so texas is a nogo for me
[06:08] <KaiL_> oh, you need your daily joint? :)
[06:08] <buz> na i quit about a year ago
[06:08] <kkathman> buz, yes I believe that my perception from talking to others that it is more liberal and permissive
[06:09] <buz> it almost certainly is
[06:09] <kkathman> again, I have not lived there, so I cannot speak first hand
[06:09] <buz> but the lawsystem is very different
[06:09] <buz> it's not common law, it's actually written law
[06:09] <Tezkah> Canada is crazy
[06:09] <kkathman> I dont believe its fair to criticize another person's country or place unless you have experienced it firsthand...or at least qualify that to some degree
[06:10] <Tezkah> it's like Europe and America had a baby
[06:10] <KaiL_> Tezkah: the good of both or the bad? ;)
[06:10] <buz> i reserve the right to criticise countries that go about attacking others without having lived there
[06:10] <Tezkah> depends
[06:11] <Tezkah> theres few guns
[06:11] <kkathman> Every country has its pros and cons, and there must be things appealing about them all, as few countries have ceased to exist by mass exodus :)
[06:11] <buz> there's actually shitloads of guns in switzerland, yet we have much less morders per capita
[06:12] <kkathman> buz I agree thats why I dont criticize, but you violated your own statement by what you said, as you have never lived in the south or in Texas, if I heard you correctly
[06:12] <rommer> buz: any blacks in switzerland?
[06:12] <buz> not so many
[06:12] <KaiL_> rommer: does that matter?
[06:12] <kkathman> Some of the nicest, most courteous and kind people I know live in the southern US. 
[06:12] <kkathman> and thats first hand knowledge
[06:12] <buz> there nice people and assholes everywhere
[06:13] <kkathman> buz yep absolutely true
[06:13] <buz> but looking a political decisions, by my standards, there's more assholes in the south
[06:13] <kkathman> well,buz, isnt that presumptuous?  Do you call anyone an "asshole" if they dont agree with you?
[06:14] <buz> i call people assholes who deny rights to other people
[06:14] <rommer> kkathman: thats right
[06:14] <buz> like it would affect anyone negatively if gays were allowed to marry
[06:14] <amu> thats's all nice ... but totally offtopic :) let's go back to the great kubuntu desktop ;) 
[06:14] <kkathman> deny rights to other people... hmm ok..typically thats a legal thing :)
[06:14] <Tezkah> the great kubuntu desktop prevented me, a homosexual, from getting married!
[06:14] <kkathman> amu:  good idea :)  Politics and religion are usually not tolerated well in mixed companies :)
[06:15] <buz> amu did you get my kubuntu.de translation?
[06:15] <buz> actually, politics are boring in non mixed companies i think
[06:15] <v3trae> hello sirs
[06:15] <buz> wheres the point in discussing something if you all agree from begin with
[06:15] <v3trae> Anyone using cedega/winex on kubuntu?
[06:15] <amu> kkathman: you can disscuss about it ages, without result ;) 
[06:16] <amu> buz: nope 
[06:16] <buz> weird
[06:16] <kkathman> amu you are quite right
 kkathman: you can disscuss about it ages, without result <<< bingo
[06:16] <kkathman> v3trae: I have heard a bit that there are a few probs with cedega and that it really messed up someone's PC here but I dont remember who
[06:17] <kkathman> KaiL_:  yep :)
[06:17] <v3trae> kkathman, no actuall evidence of it not working as well?
[06:18] <amu> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap?highlight=%28MediumPrhttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap?highlight=%28MediumPriority%29%7C%28UduBof%29
[06:18] <amu> arg 
[06:18] <amu> any comments 
[06:18] <amu> buz: could you please resent it 
[06:18] <kkathman> KaiL_: My philosophy, is to always keep discussions elevated to issues, and stay out of making them personal, like calling people names or attacking their family or country. That does nothing for discussion or debate, it only flames people. Typically those that do it, are ill-informed any way. There are few forums for such discussions, unfortunately :)
[06:18] <buz> hand me your email
[06:18] <KaiL_> amu: you mean http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap ? :)
[06:18] <kkathman> so..anyway..back to kubuntu where we belong :)
[06:19] <Tm_T> :)
[06:20] <v3trae> using kubuntu doesn't obligate you to use JUST kde does it?
[06:20] <NTolerance> no
[06:20] <NTolerance> you can install the ubuntu-desktop get GNOME
[06:20] <Tm_T> yes, or I have to use my war axe ...
[06:20] <NTolerance> or other window managers as well
[06:20] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[06:20] <amu> someone tried new knet packages ? 
[06:20] <v3trae> anyone use fluxbox?
[06:20] <Tm_T> o/
[06:20] <Tm_T> sometimes
[06:21] <KaiL_> amu: "knet"?
[06:21] <amu> KaiL_: yep
[06:21] <v3trae> there a way to search through apt?
[06:21] <NTolerance> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:21] <KaiL_> v3trae: apt-cache search ;)
[06:21] <Tm_T> v3trae: oh yes, "apt-cache search foo"
[06:21] <NTolerance> then run synaptic to search
[06:22] <Tm_T> NTolerance: no need to
[06:22] <NTolerance> i know about apt-cache search
[06:22] <amu>  The Knet is a frontend to pppd. It is designed primarily
[06:22] <NTolerance> but i prefer synaptic
[06:22] <amu>  for xDSL accounts, but dial-up is currently supported.
[06:22] <amu>  PPTP, ISDN,
[06:22] <KaiL_> ah, cool
[06:22] <Tm_T> oh, I forgot I supposed to try Koffice-svn 
[06:22] <v3trae> thank you sirs
[06:22] <amu> KaiL_: a setup-tool for _every_ internetconnection infrared also included 
[06:23] <kkathman> Tm_T did you take alook at Kexi after we talked about it yesterday?
[06:23] <amu> s/every/every kind of 
[06:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: not yet, I will now install Koffice-svn so wait a moment :)
[06:24] <kkathman> Tm_T tell me how that goes ok..Im really interested
[06:25] <kkathman> KaiL_:  have you tried Koffice / Kexi / Krita yet?
[06:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, maybe I try that beta first =)
[06:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/koffice-1.4-beta1/kubuntu/
[06:26] <Tm_T> muah
[06:27] <kkathman> hmmm brave are you?
[06:27] <Tezkah> oh that reminds me I have to install java
[06:27] <Tm_T> kkathman: I only have to add that into my sources list and use apt-get ;p
[06:27] <kkathman> Tezkah: best to do that from the backports
[06:28] <psn> Tm_T: I'd go for the svn version as it's more stable then the beta
[06:29] <ghetek> I need to make the login screen lower in resolution. please help
[06:30] <Tm_T> psn: hmm, ok then :)
[06:31] <KaiL|Sheep> back..
[06:31] <KaiL|Sheep> amu: unusable for now :(
[06:32] <KaiL> amu: but looks interesting
[06:33] <amu> something could be added ?
[06:33] <KaiL> not yet
[06:34] <KaiL> ah, there sits the problem... next try ;)
[06:36] <KaiL> ok, this looks better now
[06:43] <Tm_T> psn: hmm, slow :/
[06:43] <dewey_> good day mates
[06:43] <psn> Tm_T: svn?
[06:43] <Tm_T> psn: yup
[06:43] <psn> Tm_T: yup I know
[06:43] <dewey_> I need to change my screen size so where is that located in kubuntu?  ppc that is?
[06:44] <Tm_T> psn: but I have time :)
[06:47] <kkathman> dewey right click on your desktop, configure desktop, then go to display
[06:47] <dewey_> ok
[06:50] <dewey_> kkathman, hmmm it only gave me two choices: 640 x 480 and smaller?  I am on an ibook and it should be 1078 x 768.
[06:51] <KaiL> amu is our iBook-Expert...:)
[06:51] <dewey_> amu, you awake? :)
[06:52] <dewey_> well I will be here for a bit.
[06:53] <dewey_> I aqm charging up my ibook
[06:53] <kkathman> dewey when you installed, did you pay particular attention to the resolution screen?
[06:53] <amu> sure i'm here 
[06:53] <kkathman> alot of peoople dont
[06:55] <dewey-ibook> kkathman: it went by me and did not ask me what it should have been.
[06:55] <NTolerance> does cupsys have to be enabled to print to a Windows network printer?
[06:56] <dewey-ibook> so is there an xfdrake to change screen size?
[06:56] <dewey-ibook> amu: I am running an ibook at wrong screen size?
[06:56] <kkathman> dewey well ok, you'll need to manually enable it I think through mods to your xorg.conf file
[06:56] <amu> dewey-ibook: the 12" is "1024x768"
[06:56] <kkathman> you may need to check out   man xorg  to view the parms
[06:57] <dewey-ibook> kkathman: manually hmm ok
[06:58] <kkathman> yes, Im afraid I dont know of a GUI tool that will change your XORG
[06:58] <amu> NTolerance: yep
[06:58] <amu> kkathman: kvim ? 
[06:58] <kkathman> amu maybe that would help then?  Thanks :)
[06:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: gui for edit xorg.conf? any text editor =)
[06:59] <Tm_T> haha
[06:59] <Tezkah> emacs!
[06:59] <kkathman> thats what we're all about here helping others
[06:59] <amu> kkathman: *eg* you ask for a guitool, here it is 
[06:59] <kkathman> Tm_T GUI dude...not text editor :)
[06:59] <Tezkah> so I have a laptop, which has a monitor out port
[06:59] <NTolerance> thx amu
[07:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: well it's only text... what's the problem then?
[07:00] <Tezkah> right now it just shows a duplicate of my screen 
[07:00] <Tezkah> can I use it to extend the desktop?  or would I have to edit xorg.conf and stuff?
[07:00] <Tezkah> because if tat, its not really useful
[07:00] <kkathman> Tm_T well there's no problem if you want to wade through the miles of man xorg settings and dribble
[07:00] <amu> .. what's about wrinting one ( a guitool for X ) ? 
[07:01] <kkathman> People installing Ubuntu really skip that screen alot
[07:01] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm hmm, you gaot a point there, small one at least :)
[07:01] <Tezkah> kkathman: yeah, my friend did that with debian
[07:01] <dewey-ibook> hmmmm checked xorg.conf and it is set-up for 1024x768 so why will it not use that set-up? 
[07:02] <kkathman> Biggest mistakes in kubuntu:  1) Not installing hoary 1st, 2) Not paying attention to the resolution screen, 3) not hooking your computer to the network before installation
[07:02] <amu> gui-tool for X, any volunteer's 1 step forward 
[07:02] <kkathman> Tm_T yah Im all over the small points :)
[07:03] <Tm_T> kkathman: youre not pointless then ;p
[07:03] <dewey-ibook> kkathman: where in the kubuntu does it ask for anything about resolution screen size?
[07:03] <kkathman> Tm_T true that...Im never pointless :)
[07:03] <kkathman> dewey-ibook:  during the install
[07:03] <Tezkah> yeah, it offers you various choices for the resolution
[07:03] <dewey-ibook> I did 2 installs on this ibook and kubuntu did not ask me about it?
[07:03] <Tezkah> its ncurses I think
[07:03] <kkathman> well at least it does during the hoary install
[07:04] <amu> dewey-ibook: you have the 12" ibook?  
[07:04] <kkathman> dewey-ibook:  again, probably because you violated #1..you installed kubuntu instead of hoary 1st
[07:04] <dewey-ibook> amu: yes I do
[07:04] <Tezkah> kkathman: thats not recommended?
[07:04] <NTolerance> hold on
[07:04] <NTolerance> i want to know that too
[07:04] <amu> dewey-ibook: gimme you email, i'll send you my config 
[07:05] <kkathman> Tezkah: well I sure wish more people did it.  I also wish Ubuntu wouldnt put out that kubuntu disk image
[07:05] <amu> your even 
[07:05] <NTolerance> explain kkathman 
[07:06] <Tezkah> I downloaded the kubuntu hoary install disk
[07:06] <kkathman> NTolerance: if you install hoary 1st, you get all the gtk environment. This allows you to have a complete UI to fall back on if/when your KDE goes blinky
[07:06] <Tezkah> ah
[07:06] <kkathman> NTolerance: also, the kubuntu install disk has many things on the gtk side missing and they are trying to fix that now for breezy.  This causes several things not to work properly
[07:07] <Tezkah> I am contemplating installing XFCE4, but then I'd feel lame since I spent so much time setting KDE up
[07:07] <kkathman> NTolerance: finally, many "configuration" things are taken care of in the hoary install, and not in the kubuntu install (because they wanted a smaller image)
[07:08] <kkathman> Tezkah: take a good backup of your Gnome or KDE before you install XFCE
[07:08] <Tezkah> well, I'd just install it
[07:08] <Tezkah> and then add it to KDM 
[07:08] <Tezkah> how would you backup KDE?
[07:09] <amu> Tezkah: tar -czf kde_backup.tgz ~/.kde 
[07:10] <Tezkah> aaah it deleted my system
[07:10] <Tezkah> thanks amu
[07:11] <NTolerance> hmm
[07:11] <NTolerance> i will install regular ubuntu next time
[07:11] <NTolerance> thanks for the info kkathman 
[07:11] <amu> Tezkah: alternativ you can use konserve 
[07:12] <NTolerance> amu, do you have any problems with klaptop?
[07:12] <amu> .kde in our homedir is the important thing :)
[07:12] <amu> NTolerance: no 
[07:13] <NTolerance> did you install kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:13] <amu> bofh 
[07:13] <NTolerance> did you install from the ubuntu disc?
[07:13] <amu> installed ubuntu with a CD and run apt-get install kubuntu-desktop 
[07:13] <NTolerance> ah
[07:14] <NTolerance> i need to do that then
[07:14] <kkathman> NTolerance: its possible that by the next rel - i.e. breezy they will fix the Kubuntu disk too
[07:14] <NTolerance> i would certainly hope so
[07:14] <kkathman> amu - as did I..Ive had no problems
[07:14] <amu> NTolerance: it works also, if i install kubuntu and install the ubuntu-desktop 
[07:15] <NTolerance> cool
[07:16] <amu> even if you install warty and upgrade to hoary and install kubuntu-desktop it works
[07:16] <amu> all variants are successfully tested ;)
[07:17] <amu> inkl. DVD :)
[07:17] <Tezkah> so what is the difference between kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop ?
[07:18] <Tm_T> Tezkah: KDE vs Gnome
[07:18] <Tm_T> and all related
[07:19] <kkathman> amu: thats actually what I did...although, I installed warty initially, then kubuntu-desktop, then dist-upgraded to hoary on one of my boxes
[07:20] <kkathman> Tezkah: thats a good question, and I dont know
[07:20] <kkathman> amu do you know that answer?
[07:20] <amu> in warty there's no "kubuntu-desktop ;)
[07:21] <kkathman> hmm I wonder what I did to get KDE then?
[07:21] <kkathman> maybe it was ubuntu-desktop?
[07:21] <kkathman> shrug
[07:23] <Tm_T> k
[07:25] <Tezkah> kdebase
[07:25] <Tezkah> ?
[07:25] <Tezkah> so I type in "firefox"
[07:25] <Tezkah> it completes without errors
[07:26] <Tezkah> and then brigns me back to the prompt
[07:26] <Tezkah> I have broken it quite good
[07:26] <Tezkah> firefox
[07:27] <amu> kkathman: this thime it was just apt-get install kde 
[07:28] <kkathman> ahhh ok
[07:31] <amu> dewey-ibook: works now?
[07:35] <Tezkah> wow google makes me feel smart
[07:46] <kkathman> google makes you feel smart??
[07:48] <ghetek> any programs that will let me video chat with my girlfriend? she has net meeting (xp) and msn messenger
[07:49] <gdh> kkathman: google stops people from looking so dumb :)
[07:49] <mrmanic> doesn't gnomemeeting work with netmeeting?
[07:49] <gdh> ghetek: gnomemeeting? :)
[07:49] <ghetek> is it gnomemeeting or gnome-meeting
[07:49] <gdh> one word
[07:49] <ghetek> i couldnt apt-get gnome-meeting
[07:49] <ghetek> ah ok
[07:49] <ghetek> will do thanks!
[07:51] <Tezkah> gnome meeting is for netmeeting, eh?
[07:52] <gdh> They are both H.323 clients, yes.
[07:52] <kkathman> gdh: Im still trying to figure that one out
[07:52] <gdh> kkathman: false Zen ;)
[07:52] <kkathman> hmm obviously
[07:53] <kkathman> but if it gives the user a nice feeling, thats a far cry from what M$ does
[07:53] <gdh> Tezkah: H.323 is one of the most yucky protocols to push through a firewall..
[07:55] <kkathman> well you can criticize M$ for alot of things, but capitalizing on a negative isnt one of them:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7841150/
[07:56] <kkathman> "Hi we're Microsoft, our product sucks so bad, that your machine constantly underperforms, its not secure, and there are lots of bugs. So, how about paying us an annual fee and we'll help make it better"
[07:57] <simple_> "better"
[07:57] <kkathman> hehe yeah
[07:57] <simple_> ;p
[07:57] <gdh> Cynical? us? :)
[07:57] <kkathman> NAHHHHH
[08:00] <gdh> Anyone toyed with Kolab2 and the Kontact in Kubuntu?
[08:01] <gdh> Am trying to get the shared calendar to show and not having much luck :)
[08:01] <gdh> It works from Outlook and the Horde web interface, but not Kontact =)
[08:03] <kkathman> gdh I use Kontact...but dont know about Kolab2
[08:03] <kkathman> I only use Kontact for news feeds tho
[08:03] <gdh> ah not to worry :)
[08:05] <simple_> i need help, i installed kubuntu lastnight, and for the life of me know nothing, i've tried to "make install" with ndiswrapper and get an Error 2
[08:05] <kkathman> simple_: what are you trying to do...get your wireless working?
[08:05] <simple_> goggled it and theres like, not begginner friendly terms, there's like "get the source for the kernel from the disk" well...how do i do that, what do i do :/
[08:06] <simple_>  make -c driver install
[08:06] <simple_> make[1] : entering directory 'home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver'
[08:06] <simple_> make -c /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build subdirs=/home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver \
[08:06] <simple_> ndiswrapper_version =0.11 \
[08:06] <simple_> extra_version= modules
[08:06] <simple_> make = *** /lib/modules/2.610-5-386/build: no such file or dir. stop.
[08:06] <simple_> make entering an unkown dir/make: leaving an unknown dir
[08:06] <simple_> dirmake [1]  *** [defualt]  error 2
[08:06] <simple_> make [1]  : leave dir 'home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver'
[08:06] <simple_> make *** [install]  error 2 
[08:06] <simple_> that
[08:07] <gdh> install the kernel headers
[08:07] <simple_> okay, how do i install the kernel headers?
[08:07] <gdh> apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10
[08:07] <gdh> probably
[08:07] <kkathman> do an apt-cache search on it
[08:07] <kkathman> but that looks right
[08:08] <simple_> apt-cache headers-2.6.10?
[08:08] <roconnor> Hi, I have an easy question.
[08:08] <kkathman> that means we must have an easy answer :)
[08:08] <kkathman> but maybe not
[08:09] <roconnor> I have installed the kubuntu-desktop-package on my new ubuntu system
[08:09] <kkathman> very good...you did it right
[08:09] <roconnor> now I see kubuntu on my login screen
[08:09] <roconnor> however when I log in as myself I still get gnome
[08:09] <roconnor> :-(
[08:09] <kkathman> did you select the kubuntu session?
[08:09] <roconnor> probably now
[08:09] <roconnor> er not
[08:10] <roconnor> let me have a look
[08:10] <roconnor> yay!
[08:10] <kkathman> when you choose from the splash screen, you need to choose the KDE/Kubuntu session by clicking the "Sessions" down at the lower left corner...then it should ask you if you want to make that your default
[08:10] <roconnor> thank god!
[08:11] <kkathman> there ya go :)
[08:11] <roconnor> thanks so much!
[08:11] <kkathman> not a problem, enjoy
[08:11] <Tm_T> :)
[08:11] <roconnor> I'm going to go play with my new laptop now
[08:11] <HavoK> hi there
[08:11] <kkathman> hello HavoK 
[08:11] <Tm_T> ah, fellow from italy
[08:12] <orlando> hello my friends :p
[08:12] <kkathman> howdy orlando :)
[08:13] <HavoK> yeah =)
[08:13] <orlando> ;D i'm testing kubuntu :p
[08:13] <kkathman> great
[08:18] <Tm_T> :)
[08:18] <amu> gdh: see http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.4.0/kdepim/README.Kolab?rev=411963&view=markup
[08:19] <Tm_T> haha
[08:19] <Tm_T> ok, now I'm embarrassed
[08:20] <Tm_T> shame on me
[08:20] <Tm_T> better luck next time etc =)
[08:22] <ghetek> what is the package name for koffice?
[08:23] <bloomy> kofficce
[08:23] <bloomy> koffice
[08:23] <ghetek> i just tried it...
[08:23] <ghetek> i got nothing
[08:23] <Tm_T> ehh
[08:24] <Tm_T> koffice it is
[08:24] <Tm_T> haha, slow =)
[08:25] <ghetek> http://pastebin.com/283793
[08:25] <ghetek> that is what i got
[08:25] <bloomy> jeje
[08:26] <Tm_T> ghetek: ok, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:26] <ghetek> tm your in kde too
[08:26] <ghetek> cool
[08:27] <kkathman> but you might want to go to the koffice site...cuz whats in the repos isnt current
[08:27] <ghetek> how do i maximize my sources list
[08:27] <ghetek> i just want it to be able to get everything
[08:27] <ali4728> Newbie needs Help! I first time set up a webserver (Ubuntu/Apache/Mysql) on my computer, now I want to utilize mail() function of php to send an email using a webform (eg: mypage.php) Any idea how to do it? Thanks..
[08:28] <kkathman> ali4728: have you set up the mail account in your php?
[08:28] <kkathman> that has to be set up
[08:28] <kkathman> its a php setting, I did it once on mine..but I dont remember how I did it
 php.ini ?
[08:29] <kkathman> I think so...but I forget
[08:30] <Tm_T> haha, I have to compile newer imagemagick
[08:30] <Tm_T> ok, I'll do it hard way then ->
[08:32] <simple> back, and i did apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 that's the kernel
[08:32] <simple> and then i did a search for ndiswrapper and got ndiswrapper-utils
[08:32] <kkathman> ali4728: you might can go to DevShedForums and search for that if you need it imminently
[08:32] <simple> but i couldn't find how to get to it or use it
[08:33] <simple> so i tried to do make install again under ndiswrapper-0.11 dir
[08:33] <simple> make -C driver install
[08:33] <simple> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver'
[08:33] <simple> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver \
[08:33] <simple>         NDISWRAPPER_VERSION=0.11 \
[08:33] <simple>         EXTRA_VERSION= modules
[08:33] <simple> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found
[08:33] <simple> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: gcc: command not found
[08:33] <simple> make[2] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[08:34] <simple>   CC [M]   /home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver/wrapper.o
[08:34] <simple> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
[08:34] <simple> make[3] : *** [/home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver/wrapper.o]  Error 127
[08:34] <simple> make[2] : *** [_module_/home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver]  Error 2
[08:34] <simple> make[2] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386'
[08:34] <simple> make[1] : *** [default]  Error 2
[08:34] <simple> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver'
[08:34] <simple> make: *** [install]  Error 2
[08:34] <simple> the new error :/
[08:34] <gdh> here's your hint: gcc: command not found
[08:34] <kkathman> simple looks like you need to so a sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:34] <simple> alright
[08:34] <kkathman> you dont have gcc
[08:34] <simple> and doing build-essential will get it?
[08:34] <KaiL> apt-get install gcc-3.3
[08:34] <simple> yay :D
[08:34] <ghetek> simple, use pastebin
[08:34] <simple> ah
[08:34] <KaiL> ...afair it's 3.3 in hoary...
[08:34] <kkathman> lol
[08:34] <simple> what's pastebin?
[08:35] <HavoK> hmmm is kubuntu hoary up to date?
[08:35] <simple> 5.04 i think
[08:35] <ghetek> www.pastebin.com that way you dont flood
[08:35] <kkathman> build-essential gets the gcc doesnt it ... or not?
[08:35] <simple> i just downloaded/installed it last night
[08:35] <simple> ah didn't know about that
[08:35] <simple> for the future it is
[08:35] <kkathman> hmm I forget...you need gcc and g++ prolly
[08:35] <HavoK> I was using breezy badger, but now konqueror is a pain in the ass
[08:35] <HavoK> also dbus-qt
[08:35] <HavoK> no firefox 
[08:35] <HavoK> etc. etc.
[08:36] <kkathman> HavoK: see the topic in this channel  "Dont use Breezy"
[08:36] <HavoK> kkathman: =) I saw it 2 minutes ago
[08:36] <KaiL> HavoK: if you want to see breezy break, wait for next week
[08:36] <KaiL> that'll be MUCH more fun :)
[08:36] <kkathman> rofl
[08:36] <HavoK> lol
[08:36] <KaiL> and, no firefox?
[08:36] <kkathman> dont know why peeps want to install development software :)
[08:37] <\sh> lol
[08:37] <kkathman> unless you are part of the team and doing development of course :)
[08:37] <simple> g++ gcc and dbus-qt
[08:37] <KaiL> for kdebase the fix is "on the way" (somebody has to fix libdbus-qt-1-1 before)
[08:37] <\sh> kkathman: cause the pros don't
[08:37] <HavoK> kkathman: i miss gentoo's un-stability
[08:37] <simple> all in build-essential or do all four?
[08:38] <KaiL> kkathman: good question, maybe they like a broken system?
[08:38] <HavoK> KaiL: i DO like a broken system =)
[08:38] <kkathman> I mean I like kinda bleeding edge...but I dont go running into battle with no armor saying "SHOOT ME"
[08:38] <KaiL> HavoK: looks like, because as a non developer (or tester) you use breezy ;)
[08:39] <HavoK> KaiL: a friend of mine told me not to use breezy... 
[08:39] <HavoK> he said that breezy was a little pain in the ass
[08:39] <KaiL> seams to be a special friend, if you still do it then ;)
[08:39] <HavoK> he was right =)
[08:40] <HavoK> KaiL: now i'm going to downgrade to hoary
[08:40] <HavoK> I've just to find a way to do it
[08:40] <KaiL> if you want a working system, wait with breezy until close before the release
[08:40] <gdh> that sounds like a non-trivial process :)
[08:40] <KaiL> gdh: he only needs to downgrade the broken stuff (=kdebase, dbus)
[08:40] <KaiL> "only"...:)
[08:40] <gdh> hehe :)
[08:40] <HavoK> lol =)
[08:41] <gdh> no huge pipe starting with dpkg --get-selections then =)
[08:41] <KaiL> HavoK: first change sources.list back to hoary
[08:41] <HavoK> KaiL: ok, that's done
[08:41] <KaiL> then apt-get update
[08:41] <HavoK> ok
[08:41] <KaiL> and then try to install the broken stuff with package/hoary
[08:41] <KaiL> like apt-get install kdebase/hoary
[08:41] <HavoK> [I've already do that 2 minutes ago] 
[08:41] <HavoK> ok 
[08:42] <HavoK> I'll be back soon
[08:42] <KaiL> might still be a bit "fun"...
[08:46] <HavoK> =( hmmm the next month will be funnier
[08:48] <Tm_T> uu-uuh
[08:49] <Tm_T> can't wait, too exciting
[08:49] <HavoK> ok.. i'm going to use gnome for a while (and it will probabily crash.. too =)
[08:49] <KaiL> HavoK: no idea, if that won't break too
[08:50] <HavoK> KaiL: I'll tell you in a few minutes =)
[08:50] <KaiL> eh, the gcc4-fun starts next week
[08:50] <Tm_T> how come?
[08:51] <HavoK> KaiL: that will be super-funny1oneoneone
[08:51] <KaiL> gcc4-build binaries are incompatible to gcc3-ones..:)
[08:51] <KaiL> as gcc3 was to gcc2
[08:51] <Tm_T> hmm, and KDE 3.4.1 will be released in 2 weeks =)
[08:52] <HavoK> I've learnt that 6 month of waiting aren't so much
[08:52] <HavoK> [but still I'm keeping breezy, 4fun =] 
[08:53] <miserable_failur> any kpdf experts around? I got a little font problem
[08:54] <KaiL> HavoK: there are amu and Riddell  to break it and  hunger (hm, not here) and me to find the bugs in kde*
[08:54] <KaiL> so if you find anything broken, tell us :)
[08:55] <HavoK> KaiL: my pleasure =)
[08:55] <Tm_T> :)
[08:55] <KaiL> Tm_T: afaik we'll have some pre-version before
[08:55] <amu> miserable_failur: which kind of?
[08:55] <KaiL> just to get shure, we could break everything :)
[08:55] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, that I meant?
[08:56] <KaiL> amu: btw. you told about a new libqt yesterday?
[08:56] <amu> KaiL: it just compile manally 
[08:56] <KaiL> "compiles" or "compiled"? :)
[08:56] <miserable_failur> amu: well, the fonts are all messed up, it looks like back in the days when kpdf still sucked (before kde 3.4). Evince renders alright
[08:57] <amu> on ppc i got a qt error .... 
[08:57] <amu> compiled 
[08:57] <KaiL> miserable_failur: breezy?
[08:57] <KaiL> :)
[08:57] <amu> miserable_failur: could you open a terminal and type kpdf 
[08:57] <miserable_failur> no, Hoary
[08:58] <amu> miserable_failur: than load your pdf file and look into the terminal 
[08:58] <miserable_failur> amu: yap, done
[08:58] <miserable_failur> no output
[08:59] <amu> miserable_failur: it's a exported pdf from openoffice ? 
[08:59] <miserable_failur> it's not only one file that's messed up, its every file. Should I upload some screenshots
[09:00] <miserable_failur> ?
[09:00] <amu> miserable_failur: yes please 
[09:00] <amu> & file a bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com 
[09:01] <simple> hmm, still not wokring :/
[09:02] <HavoK> when will firefox get updated to 1.0.4?
[09:02] <KaiL> nobody knows
[09:02] <KaiL> but the security is fixed
[09:03] <HavoK> KaiL: yep.. ok, we have to use mozilla.org's package
[09:03] <KaiL> uhm, do you need anything new since .2?
[09:04] <HavoK> KaiL: I'm not sure if new extensions written for 1.0.4 work with 1.0.2 
[09:05] <biagio> hi everybody
[09:05] <HavoK> if yes, I'll keep this one
[09:05] <HavoK> hi biagio 
[09:05] <KaiL> HavoK: afaik firefox 1.0.x has a fixed api
[09:06] <HavoK> I didn't know that
[09:06] <HavoK> ok, thanks.. this will save me troubles =)
[09:06] <biagio> i'm new to kubuntu can please someone help me with some display settings? i dunno the why....the resolution on my laptop is 1024x768 but it appears in a small window at the centre of the screen...doesn't fit the whole screen :/ 
[09:06] <biagio> i dunno how to change it...in xorg it says i'm on a 1024x768 resolution :/
[09:06] <\sh> amu: pin
[09:07] <\sh> g
[09:07] <KaiL> intel 855?
[09:07] <KaiL> and *should* work with 1400*1050? ;)
[09:07] <HavoK> it's gnome-time! [ouf] 
[09:08] <biagio> uh
[09:08] <biagio> what do u mean KaiL ?
[09:08] <KaiL> your laptop.. because the res should work there, except this single case
[09:08] <KaiL> ...where it CAN break
[09:09] <miserable_failur> ok, here are my PDF screenshots. It's from am PDF I got together with a CS book. Evince looks exactly like the book
[09:09] <miserable_failur> kpdf: http://img64.echo.cx/img64/6802/kpdf6cv.png
[09:09] <biagio> mmm my laptop works on 1024*768 max
[09:09] <miserable_failur> evince: http://img62.echo.cx/img62/1584/evince9va.png
[09:09] <gdh> so Xorg has selected 640x480 ?
[09:09] <biagio> with other distro i have no problem configuring at that res
[09:09] <amu> pon    g
[09:09] <KaiL> miserable_failur: looks ok for me..?!?
[09:09] <biagio> nope...in the config it says  1024
[09:10] <biagio> but it uses only the central part of the screen o.O
[09:10] <gdh> biagio: Does the little window in the middle then scroll for you?
[09:10] <gdh> ah Ok
[09:10] <KaiL> biagio: and in "reality"?
[09:10] <miserable_failur> KaiL: no, kpdf has always the same ugly font, no matter what font is used in the actual pdf
[09:11] <KaiL> try rightclick -> configure desktop -> screen
[09:11] <biagio> in reality is just like i had a 1024 resolution on a 5 inches screen
[09:11] <KaiL> ...and look if it's there at 1024
[09:11] <HavoK> ok. i'm still alive
[09:11] <KaiL> HavoK: using gnome? is that a life?
[09:11] <KaiL> *g*
[09:11] <amu> miserable_failur: could you load also a pdf ex. from "apple" :)
[09:11] <biagio> in the control panel it says my screen is 800x640 though
[09:12] <KaiL> miserable_failur: I can't say, this font looks nice, but I don't see any bug....
[09:12] <amu> \sh: what up? 
[09:12] <KaiL> biagio: try to set it to 1024 there, if possible
[09:12] <HavoK> KaiL: well, the biggest issue is that ubuntu's default colour is BROWN
[09:12] <biagio> it doesn't allow me
[09:12] <HavoK> and it really pisses me off
[09:12] <\sh> amu: do u know something about kdelibs4 should it be renamed for the cxx transition?
[09:12] <KaiL> HavoK: we had that joke yesterday - change it ;)
[09:13] <HavoK> [sigh, knewstuff] 
[09:13] <miserable_failur> KaiL: evince, xpdf and the kpdf I had in the distro before (Gentoo) respected the font definitions in the pdf, this kpdf doesn't
[09:13] <HavoK> KaiL: =P
[09:13] <thorre> greetings all
[09:13] <miserable_failur> amu: "apple" meaning what?
[09:13] <HavoK> hi thorre 
[09:13] <amu> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/iPod_with_color_display_User's_Guide.pdf
[09:13] <thorre> can  you tell me what the package manager of kubuntu is called?
[09:13] <\sh> kynaptic
[09:14] <miserable_failur> amu: ok, just a minute
[09:14] <thorre> \sh is there a online manual for it  that i can review before installing it?
[09:14] <biagio> i'm gonna try to reinstall the whole thing -.- thanx for the help guys :)
[09:15] <KaiL> biagio: uhm, no
[09:15] <\sh> thorre: search for kynaptic at google...it's just like the same as synaptic but less beloved
[09:15] <biagio> uh
[09:15] <amu> \sh: doko told me, it's needed that kdelibs should be also renamed
[09:15] <\sh> ok :)
[09:15] <KaiL> wait 10min, then I'm ready eating and we can hunt the bug
[09:15] <gdh> biagio: A reinstall will get you straight back to this point
[09:15] <biagio> ok
[09:15] <biagio> thanx KaiL 
[09:15] <\sh> amu: so kdelibs4c2
[09:15] <biagio> i know gdh
[09:15] <amu> ... yep
[09:15] <thorre> do i need anything else beside the install CD?
[09:16] <thorre> can i install the rest via the internet?
[09:16] <HavoK> anybody knows where knewstuff saves downlaoded backgrounds?
[09:16] <gdh> thorre: No, Yes.
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[09:16] <amu> \sh: working on universe foobar? 
[09:16] <\sh> amu: the meta packages kdelibs etc. as well
[09:16] <\sh> amu: trying to
[09:16] <amu> super 
[09:16] <KaiL> biagio: you could add /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://pastebin.ca/
[09:16] <HavoK> oook. I've found that dir
[09:16] <thorre> gdh thanks, i will try it.
[09:17] <biagio> i'm going to look thanx KaiL 
[09:17] <\sh> amu: btw..produced a package for pykde with the patches for kconfigskeleton applied :) so I need to have a working kreezy ;)
[09:17] <\sh> amu: and for the rest of kde stuff i need it as well
[09:18] <KaiL> lol, "kreezy"
[09:18] <KaiL> "krazy kreezy"? ;)
[09:18] <miserable_failur> amu: now this is weird. kpdf renders that ipod pdf perfectly, but every other PDF I tried has the font problem 
[09:18] <amu> *lol*
[09:18] <amu> miserable_failur: :) 
[09:18] <gdh> ain't compootors great?
[09:19] <amu> miserable_failur: well, it happens, if your software which your convert _to_ pdf sux, try some other pdf's too 
[09:20] <miserable_failur> amu: well, I tried PDFs from Acrobat, from OpenOffice and ghostscript, they all have the same problem. 
[09:21] <miserable_failur> and those pdfs where rendered correctly on the distro I had before Kubuntu (Gentoo)
[09:21] <KaiL> biagio: ooook, now I have time for you :)
[09:22] <pv_> Is there a problem with PDF:s?
[09:22] <KaiL> pv_: do you have one?
[09:22] <miserable_failur> I really think it's a problem with my configuration
[09:22] <biagio> thanx KaiL  :)
[09:22] <pv_> KaiL, not generally. Nearly all pdfs render correctly.
[09:23] <miserable_failur> gdh: it's called a someone elses problem (SEP) field ;)
[09:23] <gdh> OK OK so I'm a Hitchhiker fan by proxy =)
[09:23] <gdh> I don't know every book off by heart =)
[09:24] <miserable_failur> gdh: I don't either, but I LOVE the Hitchhikers Guide :D
[09:25] <gdh> The movie was very pleasing, I would happily watch it again. Praise from a curmudgeon like me.
[09:26] <miserable_failur> gdh: I haven't seen the movie yet (damn strategy from Disney to release every movie 2 months later in Europe...)
[09:26] <gdh> ha, except in the UK for a nice change :)
[09:27] <gdh> There's a cam-rip on the go, but hardly worth bothering with.
[09:27] <HavoK> hm...
[09:28] <amu> gdh: hehe, last days at UDU we went to cinema and watched the movie :)
[09:28] <miserable_failur> I'm gona try my pdfs on another Kubuntu system I installed the other day. Back in a minute
[09:29] <gdh> amu: Tsk you college kids really know how to party ;)
[09:29] <gdh> Back in my day it was all dominoes and snakes-and-ladders
[09:29] <amu> miserable_failur: hmm probably it helps debuging, install also xpdf  
[09:29] <amu> .. try again with it. 
[09:31] <amu> gdh: _college kids_ hehe before 30 years  :) 
[09:35] <miserable_failur> I'm back. The other system has the same problem. It may be not only my problem after all...
[09:37] <gdh> amu: Ah, K :)
[09:38] <gdh> amu: Perhaps it's PDFs created assuming Tahoma/Verdana but without those fonts embedded in the PDF itself?
[09:38] <amu> miserable_failur: i guess, the original document is written with another font, which isnt installed at your sys.  
[09:38] <gdh> miserable_failur: I mean...
[09:38] <amu> gdh: ^
[09:38] <gdh> =)
[09:39] <gdh> miserable_failur: try installing msttcorefonts then retry
[09:39] <gdh> (multiverse)
[09:40] <miserable_failur> gdh: ok, doing it
[09:41] <miserable_failur> but other pdf readers like evince extract the font from the pdf file and render it correctly, kpdf 3.4 on kubuntu doesn't as it seems, kpdf on gentoo did it
[09:42] <gdh> Ah OK I forgot that bit.
[09:45] <miserable_failur> all: try too look at http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf (I don't like the DMCA, it's just the first pdf that shows up with a google search for pdf) with kpdf. Is the font serifed, is the kerning ok? 
[09:46] <gdh> No, it looks like shit
[09:46] <gdh> sans-serif all run together
[09:46] <KaiL> same here
[09:47] <miserable_failur> it looks a-ok with evince
[09:47] <gdh> and yay msttcorefonts made no difference whatsoever =)
[09:49] <KaiL> and that file looks ok in kpdf on gentoo?
[09:49] <pv_> Here: xpdf does not show any text, kpdf shows run-together serif fonts, gv shows it correctly, evince shows it correctly.
[09:50] <gdh> heh, was just installing xpdf =)
[09:50] <gdh> no doubt acroread will show it perfectly but I think it contains its own licensed fonts anyway
[09:50] <miserable_failur> KaiL: I can't tell it for that file specifically, since I rm -rf 'ed gentoo last week, but I never had problems with the new kpdf on gentoo
[09:51] <miserable_failur> kpdf before kde 3.4 messed the fonts always up like this, I thought the problem was solved with 3.4
[09:51] <gdh> Here xpdf shows it in serif with correct kerning
[09:52] <gdh> (xpdf 3.00-11ubuntu3)
[09:52] <gdh> and that's with a few 'cannot convert string ... to type FontStruct warnings.
[09:52] <pv_> Hmm. Same version of xpdf, but I get Error: No display font for 'Courier'
[09:52] <pv_> And more of such error messages.
[09:52] <gdh> pv_: Got msttcorefonts installed?
[09:53] <miserable_failur> I get the same messages and no text with xpdf
[09:54] <pv_> gdh, yes.
[09:54] <gdh> pv_: <boggle> I refer to my earlier statement 'aren't compootors great?' :))
[09:55] <Choubaka> ahahahah.
[09:56] <Choubaka> No.
[09:56] <pv_> Oh, downgrading to libfreetype6 2.1.7-2.3 fixes xpdf. But it breaks evince on some other files :)
[09:56] <gdh> Wheee!
[09:57] <pv_> Great, better to write a bugzilla entry on this.
[09:57] <QrX> is there a debian channel on freenode ?
[09:57] <QrX> or on other server
[09:57] <gdh> try irc.oftc.net ?
[09:57] <pv_> I'm quite surprised in how many ways rendering pdfs can go wrong :/
[09:58] <QrX> irc.oftc.net ?
[09:58] <gdh> A lot of the debian crowd took the hump and left when lilo (admin of freenode) started global broadcasting demands for donations...
[09:58] <gdh> hardly in the spirit, etc.
[09:58] <QrX> oh
[09:59] <allee> QrX: debian kde problem?
[09:59] <QrX> pure debian install probleme atm
[09:59] <QrX> :)
[09:59] <gdh> we can probably help anyway :)
[09:59] <gdh> traffic is low tonight, so ask away.
[10:00] <QrX> and i dont want to disturb kubuntu chan :)
[10:00] <allee> QrX: you distrubed with 3 msg without a problem already.  4th has to be a question ;)
[10:01] <allee> QrX: forget your install problem?
[10:01] <pv_> Oh, I need to retract my statement about xpdf and libfreetype6 2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1 . Now it somehow works :o
[10:01] <QrX> well i try to install sarge and the install is just finish and i am in failsafe mod atm so i am wondering how to get grafical mod
[10:02] <QrX> i did it by netinstall
[10:02] <gdh> so, it boots and then X flickers on and off a few times?
[10:02] <gdh> like it's not picking your gfx card properly?
[10:03] <QrX> no like if there is not gui installed but its weird cause normally it should be installed
[10:04] <gdh> It's been a few months since I installed sarge - you selected to install X Window System or KDE/GNOME ?
[10:04] <KaiL> QrX: there's #debian, only a bit high-traffic
[10:04] <gdh> did you see it downloading the dozens of xserver-xfree86 packages and other 'x' packages etc.
[10:04] <gdh> ?
[10:04] <KaiL> ah, yes installing x-window-system-core :)
[10:04] <QrX> oki 
[10:04] <QrX> i will try #debian  thx
[10:05] <Tm_T> oohhoho, I finally compiled Koffice =)
[10:05] <QrX> thx Kail
[10:05] <KaiL> Tm_T: 1.4beta?
[10:05] <gdh> Is there  a shameless clone of MS Access yet? :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> KaiL: svn
[10:06] <KaiL> gdh: knoda and kexi try to
[10:06] <Tm_T> why anyone need MS access clone?
[10:06] <gdh> Aye, I've tried those briefly... :)
[10:06] <Tm_T> access hell...
[10:06] <KaiL> Tm_T: did you get a working kexi as a result?
[10:06] <gdh> Tm_T: Strangely, a lot of end users don't know SQL or how to program a frontend in PHP :)
[10:11] <shiv> hi guys, when ever I minimize any application it won't show up in task bar, any help?
[10:12] <Tezkah> do you have a taskbar?
[10:12] <shiv> i think so
[10:12] <shiv> I can see it at the bottom
[10:13] <Tezkah> like, when its maximized, you can see the icon, right?
[10:13] <shiv> no
[10:13] <shiv> its bank
[10:13] <shiv> its blank
[10:13] <Tezkah> oh, thats trivial then
[10:13] <Tezkah> right click the kde panel
[10:13] <Tm_T> gdh: anyway, access is from donkeys ass
[10:13] <Tm_T> KaiL: I try it
[10:13] <Tezkah> add to panel -> applet -> taskbar
[10:13] <gdh> Tm_T: I agree with you, it's nasty. It does serve a purpose tho
[10:13] <shiv> ahaaa got it
[10:13] <shiv> cool
[10:14] <KaiL> Tm_T: if it starts, you are further that Riddell :)
[10:14] <Tm_T> haha
[10:14] <KaiL> and our troll was
[10:14] <shiv> i am trying to get out of windows slavery
[10:14] <Tm_T> KaiL: working fine =)
[10:15] <KaiL> hmm...
[10:15] <Tm_T> hmm, little test with Krita
[10:16] <Tm_T> hmm, first screenshots :p
[10:16] <Tezkah> Windows Slavery!?
[10:16] <Tm_T> where?
[10:16] <Tezkah> is that a disk utility for slave drives on Windows?
[10:16] <Tezkah> sounds expensive
[10:17] <Tm_T> disk utility for slave dirves ?
[10:17] <Tm_T> wtf
[10:18] <Tezkah> just kidding Tm_T, show me some koffice screenshots
[10:20] <kay> Why not use Breezy?
[10:20] <kay> (topic)
[10:20] <KaiL> because we want to try how far a system can break on it soon ;)
[10:21] <kay> You want to try what?
[10:21] <KaiL> esp. Riddell and amu  want ;)
[10:22] <KaiL> they alredy had good success with breaking kdebase
[10:22] <gdh> Goal for May - total breakage =)
[10:22] <kay> ah oh,,,, good enough, still time to release 
[10:22] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/Krita-Kexi_01.png
[10:22] <Tm_T> ok?
[10:23] <KaiL> kay: more exact it's a transition from gcc3.3 to gcc4.0
[10:23] <Tezkah> neat
[10:23] <kay> Ah... good to hear, KaiL 
[10:24] <KaiL> Tm_T: no more amarok icon?
[10:24] <kay> And I presume, it includes the dbus stuff also
[10:24] <KaiL> kay: dbus already got updated
[10:24] <KaiL> and broke kdebase
[10:25] <KaiL> Tm_T: the big icon for krita looks nice
[10:25] <Tm_T> KaiL: no more amarok icon?
[10:25] <kay> well, that is what i meant, KaiL, they need to adopt it to latest dbus
[10:25] <KaiL> Tm_T: in your panel
[10:25] <Tm_T> KaiL: hmm, don't need it
[10:25] <KaiL> kay: should come with kde 3.4.1
[10:26] <kay> ah... i see and that is about to release AFAIK
[10:26] <KaiL> as also written in topic, dbus had a lot api changes
[10:26] <Tm_T> KaiL: I use Konsole, debugging and such
[10:28] <kay> what about koffice 1.4?
[10:28] <kay> I wanted to try Krita
[10:28] <Tm_T> compile it =)
[10:28] <Tm_T> from svn
[10:28] <KaiL> deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/koffice-1.4-beta1/kubuntu ./
[10:29] <KaiL> testpackages for hoary
[10:29] <Tm_T> KaiL: someone said beta is buggy
[10:29] <kay> Thanks.... i give it a shot
[10:29] <kay> It is a beta after all
[10:29] <KaiL> haven't tried that much yet
[10:30] <Tm_T> kay: well, svn works ok
[10:31] <kay> I wonder if they will put the Koffice 1.4 in Breezy now
[10:31] <kay> Or wait till they migrated everything to gcc4?
[10:31] <kay> btw, DID gcc 4 break ABI?
[10:32] <KaiL> kay: 3.4 already did
[10:32] <kay> That i know, almost every 3.x did, did 4.0.0 ?
[10:32] <KaiL> koffice 1.4 will get into breezy if it's final afaik
[10:33] <psn> kay: gcc 4 broke all sorts of things
[10:33] <psn> kay: it even miscompiles kde
[10:34] <kay> As far as I know, gcc 4.0.1 pre would not
[10:34] <kay> And I saw that Kubuntu gcc4 packages had some CVS in it
[10:35] <psn> kay: well if they've updated in the last week or so it might work now...
[10:35] <psn> kay: previous version was broken compiling kde
[10:36] <kay> Well, then I am quite confident they will be using the gcc 4 with patches
[10:36] <kay> It is actually quite normal for Debian alikes to not use baseline gcc's
[10:37] <kay> There never really was one official gcc release that was good enough to compile what we now name Universe
[10:37] <kay> They always had to patch gcc to work for Debian
[10:37] <psn> kay: no what I mean was that ubuntu's gcc4 broke with kde
[10:37] <Tm_T> hmm, looks like Krita is ok for basic editing... but Gimp is more powerful
[10:38] <psn> Tm_T: yes there is some work todo still
[10:39] <kay> I hoped somehow "Update to CVS 20050509, taken from the gcc-4_0-branch." would have done the trick
[10:39] <kay> That with the knowledge in the back, that gcc guys said that in CVS the KDE showstopper bug was already fixed
[10:39] <kay> But that's just guessing...
[10:40] <kay> What I wanted to know is if there is going to be something else now than c102
[10:47] <Tezkah> thats a nice touch
[10:47] <Tezkah> when showing the "this program is still running in the system tray"
[10:47] <Tezkah> it took a screenshot of the system tray
[10:47] <Tezkah> neat
[10:48] <Tm_T> psn: there is always something to do ;p
[10:48] <Diablo-D3> Tezkah: akg?
[10:48] <anusaya> Does kubuntu come with openoffice-ximian?
[10:48] <psn> Tm_T: true
[10:48] <Tm_T> psn: hmm, looks like Krita is light and doesn't have much tools
[10:48] <Tezkah> Diablo-D3: Konversation
[10:48] <Tm_T> so, Gimp is better for me atm
[10:49] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[10:49] <psn> Tm_T: it also as a different goal then gimp
[10:49] <Diablo-D3> akg does it too
[10:49] <psn> has
[10:49] <Diablo-D3> its a pretty nice trick
[10:49] <Tm_T> psn: yes, they fullfill each other
[10:49] <Diablo-D3> afk
[10:50] <Tezkah> what is akg?
[10:50] <p|> is kubuntu  'usable' on an amd64 ?
[10:51] <p|> or is it too much 'jung' for 64bit platform ?
[10:51] <Tm_T> bungle in the jungle 
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> Tezkah: akgregator
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> and now I really go afk
[10:55] <Tezkah> ahhh
[11:05] <simple__> large newb question..
[11:05] <gdh> mm?
[11:06] <simple__> i found a guide to set up ndiswrapper 
[11:06] <simple__> and it says "clear out any errors from attempts using ndiswrapper before continuing"
[11:06] <simple__> :/ how do i clear it out?
[11:07] <simple__> 0. Before you start, clear out any mess from existing failed attempts to use ndiswrapper.
[11:07] <simple__> just delete dirs containing ndiswrapper?
[11:08] <anusaya> is it possible to install kubuntu without the install cd? I'm hoping to install something minimal, chroot in and download the rest.
[11:10] <simple__> maybe >>
[11:10] <simple__> idk anusaya, i think the install cd is the only way
[11:10] <simple__> i installed last night and just let it ride
[11:10] <simple__> i can't remember if it lets you pick what packages you want and not
[11:11] <simple__> the full isntall was minimal as it is and quick
[11:11] <simple__> like 20-30 minutes
[11:12] <KaiL> is it only me, who feels the kde systray getting filled very fast?
[11:13] <simple__> i'd like to find it out, but i want to setup my wlan first :/
[11:13] <KaiL> I'm now at 10 icons (klipper, kgpg, korganizer, kmix, ksensors, kopete, knet, amarok, kmail and firestarter
[11:13] <simple__> well i only have gaim in it
[11:14] <simple__> anybody on that ndiswrapper getting rid of failed attempts thing?
[11:14] <KaiL> no kwifimanager here, as I don't have WLAN here
[11:14] <KaiL> would be nice for free surfing :))
[11:14] <simple__> that new chocolate factory movie looks creepy
[11:15] <KaiL> simple__: why don't you use all ndiswrapper stuff from hoary?
[11:15] <simple__> there wasn't any i dont' think
[11:15] <simple__> on the ubuntu forums theres a guide for it
[11:15] <simple__> and for like two days i've been messing with it and like changing alot of stuff
[11:15] <KaiL> the module is there in linux-image-2.6.10-3-* and the utils are in ndiswrapper-utils
[11:15] <simple__> in ndiswrapper, so before i start it says get rid of it
[11:15] <simple__> yeah i did apt-get ndiswrapper-utils, but then what?
[11:15] <simple__> :/
[11:16] <simple__> i'm a newbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[11:16] <KaiL> first rule for ubuntu: if you need gcc, something is VERY MUCH WRONG
[11:17] <simple__> i just downloaded the install disk and installed
[11:17] <simple__> no clue why i needed it
[11:17] <KaiL> I only hope for you, your card doesn't need ndiswrapper 1.1 :)
[11:17] <KaiL> but I don't think so, so:
[11:17] <simple__> well this has a guide for the driver i use and need
[11:17] <KaiL> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:17] <simple__> linksys wirless wrtg54 i think
[11:18] <KaiL> that Broadcom one?
[11:18] <simple__> to remove all failed attempts with ndiswrapper?
[11:18] <simple__> yeah
[11:18] <KaiL> damn, needs 1.1
[11:18] <simple__> super
[11:18] <simple__> now, to remove all failed attempts by ndiswrapper, i "_________"
[11:19] <KaiL> the easiest way to get it working is to grab ndiswrapper and linux-image from breezy..:)
[11:19] <simple__> first time i'm hearing this word breezy
[11:20] <simple__> linux-image?
[11:20] <KaiL> which CPU type do you use?
[11:20] <KaiL> AMD K7 or intel?
[11:20] <shiv> how do i install a .deb file?
[11:20] <simple__> intel..
[11:20] <KaiL> ...or AMD K8?
[11:20] <KaiL> ah, ok
[11:20] <KaiL> simple__: P4 with HT?
[11:20] <simple__> yeah
[11:20] <KaiL> shiv: dpkg -i
[11:21] <simple__> lol now what x:
[11:23] <mrmanic> shiv: sudo dpkg -i [packagename] 
[11:23] <KaiL> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.12/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp_2.6.11.92-1.1_i386.deb
[11:23] <KaiL> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.12+1.0rc2-1_i386.deb
[11:23] <simple__> what exactally are those
[11:23] <KaiL> simple__: get those 2 files
[11:24] <simple__> doing
[11:24] <simple__> you have the same pci card?
[11:24] <Tm_T> hmm, 2.6.12 :o
[11:24] <simple__> or had to configure and what not the same one
[11:24] <KaiL> the first is a kernel 2.6.12 prerelease (including the module for ndis 1.1)
[11:24] <simple__> oO
[11:24] <KaiL> omg, you need some more updates....
[11:25] <KaiL> and the second URL is wrong
[11:25] <Tm_T> ah, prerelease
[11:25] <KaiL> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-4_i386.deb
[11:25] <simple__> i don't know about upgrading the kernel and stuff
[11:25] <KaiL> that are the utils
[11:25] <simple__> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[11:25] <simple__> i did that and got them
[11:25] <simple__> the utils
[11:25] <KaiL> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.5-0ubuntu3_i386.deb << and this needs to be updated too
[11:25] <KaiL> simple__: we need the 1.1 utils
[11:26] <simple__> alrigh cool, i'll do that, but first i want to clear all failed ndiswrapper attmempts still exsiting, what should i do?
[11:27] <KaiL> uhm, there shouldn't be anything outsite the folder, where you where compiling ;)
[11:27] <shiv> I can't even follow the simeple installation instructions written here
[11:27] <shiv> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981&PHPSESSID=4bf3046757f6e8a864336dbcfbacabd9
[11:27] <shiv> Can u help plz
[11:28] <shiv> I am trying to install pacakage menu
[11:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: ping
[11:28] <KaiL> shiv: the \ is a like break
[11:28] <KaiL> liNe
[11:28] <shiv> i see
[11:28] <shiv> so i should not include that
[11:28] <KaiL> bingo
[11:29] <KaiL> quite interesting tool...
[11:29] <KaiL> amu: still awake?
[11:29] <Tm_T> shiv: I installed it
[11:29] <Tm_T> and used it
[11:29] <Tm_T> it's ok
[11:30] <shiv> ya but i can't follow the commands
[11:30] <shiv> i downloaded the file to desktop
[11:30] <shiv> now what ;(
[11:31] <KaiL> now at first install the libc6
[11:31] <KaiL> and tell me every problem it reports
[11:31] <KaiL> dpkg -i <file>
[11:31] <KaiL> eh, sudo dpkg -i <file> :)
[11:32] <KaiL> and this f*cking  LAN here drives me nuts
[11:33] <shiv> can't do it
[11:33] <shiv> :(
[11:34] <KaiL> why not?
[11:34] <shiv> should i type this
[11:34] <shiv> $ sudo dpkg -i kubuntu-servicemenu
[11:34] <shiv> ?
[11:34] <shiv> i am poor at commandlines
[11:34] <KaiL> oops, wrong guy
[11:35] <KaiL> that was for simple
[11:35] <KaiL> ...wherever he is now again
[11:35] <KaiL> shiv: sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[11:35] <KaiL> what's so difficult to understand there? :)
[11:36] <KaiL> sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.sh /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[11:36] <shiv> cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory
[11:36] <KaiL> and that's the second :)
[11:37] <KaiL> you need to go into the folder, to which you downloaded both
[11:37] <shiv> both?
[11:37] <shiv> are there 2 files?
[11:37] <apollo2011> I am looking at switching to Kubuntu.  I am curious as to how easy it is to upgrade when a new relase is made
[11:37] <KaiL> shiv: a package including 2 files ;)
[11:38] <KaiL> apollo2011: as every debian system upgrading is (at least normally) VERY easy
[11:38] <apollo2011> KaiL: so you can upgrade and there won't be any problems created between inconsistencies?
[11:38] <shiv> cool got it
[11:40] <KaiL> apollo2011: this box has been debian/potato -> debian/woody -> debian/sarge -> ubuntu/hoary -> ubuntu/breezy
[11:40] <KaiL> does that say all? :)
[11:41] <apollo2011> I guess so
[11:41] <apollo2011> you can actually upgrade to a different debian base distro?
[11:42] <KaiL> problem on doing such upgrades are packages with are lower versions, but still required because of configuration issues
[11:42] <shiv> how do i open konquerer as root
[11:42] <apollo2011> I am on SuSE 9.1 and it seems to be becoming flaky and have some general acting weirdness and I would like to upgrade but it is very hard to upgrade SuSE without having problems.
[11:42] <shiv> i am not able to copy the file to the /usr/...folder
[11:42] <KaiL> for example with upgradeing from sarge to hoary you need to downgrade hal
[11:42] <pv_> btw, WHAT does "Pure KGX" mean
[11:42] <KaiL> shiv: for that the sudo is ;))
[11:43] <KaiL> KGX? context?
[11:43] <apollo2011> KaiL: ok. interesting. I think I am going to install kubuntu on a different partition and see what I make of it.  I already tried the Live cd some and was pretty impressed.
[11:43] <shiv> ya
[11:43] <pv_> KaiL, title of kubuntu.org, "Kubuntu - Pure KGX"
[11:43] <shiv> but i need to keep the 2 files in the directory of apps to work, right?
[11:44] <kay> KDE GNU and X11 = KGX
[11:45] <KaiL> shiv: you copy then into the depth of /usr and then you can delete them from where you copied
[11:45] <Riddell> \sh: you pinged?
[11:45] <Riddell> KDE GNU and Unix/Linux I'd say
[11:45] <kay> KGX is an acronym for the free software combination of KDE/GNU/linuX for a graphical workstation.
[11:45] <kay> KGX is an acronym for the free software combination of KDE/GNU/linuX for a graphical workstation.
[11:45] <kay> That is from wp:kgx
[11:46] <kay> I always thought it was about the X
[11:46] <shiv> i am trying to copy the downloaded file to this folder /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[11:46] <kay> Linux is the Gnu kernel for now, so....
[11:46] <shiv> is that not right?
[11:46] <KaiL> Riddell: as you are here: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23981 (thanks go to shiv, who found it)
[11:46] <Tm_T> shiv: its correct
[11:46] <Tm_T> shiv: but you have to be root (or use sudo)
[11:47] <shiv> but it won't let me copy
[11:47] <shiv> says access denied
[11:47] <Tm_T> as I said...
[11:47] <pv_> ahh, I see.
[11:47] <kay> btw, my installed hoary doesn't let me login as root anymore
[11:47] <Tm_T> eh
[11:47] <kay> just won't do it, is that normal for Ubuntu?
[11:48] <mr_clark> I'm feeling really ditzy right now. I can't seem to install synaptic. 
[11:48] <mr_clark> I've got all my sources going. I refresh. But no synaptic to install thorugh kynaptic.
[11:48] <Tm_T> kay: root account is disabled as default
[11:48] <kay> i always do sudo bash now
[11:48] <KaiL> "sudo su" here
[11:49] <KaiL> afaik there's also sudo -c or so ;)
[11:49] <Tm_T> su -c
[11:49] <Tm_T> its just like sudo ;p
[11:50] <kay> The point of not using -c is that you get a "login" that way
[11:50] <kay> After sudo bash, I have a session as root, and as KaiL says....
[11:51] <kay> with "sudo su -" it may even be login session
[11:51] <kay> So what's the point of disabling root login anyway :p
[11:51] <KaiL> today is friday, yes?
[11:51] <kay> Not for long here anymore
[11:52] <KaiL> lol, yes
[11:52] <shiv> please help me open the folder or home directory as root?
[11:52] <shiv> please help me open the folder or home directory as root
[11:52] <KaiL> why the f*ck is there some braniac-shit on viva and no clubrotation???
[11:53] <kay> shiv: kdesu konqueror in "run command"
[11:54] <DaBlade> Hello
[11:55] <DaBlade> I live in GMT+1 (Norway), yet the clock in Kicker is an hour too fast. The time here is 23:53, but it shows 00:53
[11:55] <DaBlade> I can change the timezone, but then it says Moscow or something. I just want it to be the default timezone, so I can see the date under the clock. How do I change this?
[11:56] <kay> What time is your BIOS clock set to?
[11:56] <DaBlade> I dunno
[11:57] <kay> Do you dual boot?
[11:57] <DaBlade> yes
[11:57] <DaBlade> Two hard drives. hdb1 has winxp.
[11:58] <kay> Then you normally have local time in BIOS
[11:58] <kay> That means, it should not get corrected at all
[11:59] <DaBlade> I never use windoze...my dad does. I dunno what he does with it.. lol
[11:59] <kay> It's normally nicer that way, for Linux alone, BIOS should be UTC and you should select your timezone and be done
[11:59] <kay> But Windows doesn't do it that way...
[12:00] <DaBlade> what a shock that it doesn't follow standards... lol
[12:00] <kay> So, i guess, you should set your timezone to UTC
[12:00] <kay> Can't blame them, an OS is free to use the hardware as it sees fit
[12:00] <kay> You see, your BIOS is +1 already
[12:01] <kay> And now you come and tell Linux, you want +1 display
[12:01] <kay> You get GMT+2 in the end
[12:01] <DaBlade> umm...why?
[12:01] <KaiL> you got asked on install, if the clock is set to local time or to UTC
[12:01] <DaBlade> And I don't want the location to show, cuz then I don't see the date
[12:01] <kay> When you run tzconfig, what does it say
[12:01] <DaBlade> I'll have a look
[12:01] <KaiL> now we need to find a way to change that later ;9
[12:01] <kay> DaBlade: You can turn it off in context menu
[12:01] <DaBlade> dablade@LinuxP2P:~$ tzconfig
[12:01] <DaBlade> Your current time zone is set to Europe/Oslo
[12:01] <DaBlade> Do you want to change that? [n] :