[12:01] <\sh> well, it wasn't my day today...so i should quite for today and have some sleep [12:02] <\sh> s/today/yesterday/ === ajmitch_ hasn't done enough motu work today [12:03] <\sh> ajmitch_: lucky guy [12:03] <\sh> oh hasn't I read has ;) [12:03] hmmm, pleas go to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/574/+edit === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] and click "Change" without changing anything [12:04] <\sh> jepp [12:04] do you see the dropdown with "Jorge Bernal" x 2 ?? [12:04] <\sh> no [12:04] koke: yep [12:04] xD [12:04] <\sh> which browser? [12:04] Firefox [12:04] it assigned you twice? :) [12:04] firefox [12:04] <\sh> oh inside the dropdown [12:05] ajmitch_: but do Ctrl-L, Enter [12:05] and the dropdown disappear === ajmitch_ can try in internet explorer if you want... [12:05] koke: hah, great [12:05] <\sh> strange [12:06] <\sh> i wonder how many pieces of broken javascript is inside this === ajmitch_ gets back to testing [12:06] :D [12:06] I like bugzilla much more [12:07] <\sh> it would be easier to extend kbugbuster to meet our goals [12:08] <\sh> koke: for the single minded people, bugzilla is too complicated...for the double minded people, bugzilla is enough to work and for triple minded people like us it's just like the garden of eden ;) === ajmitch_ is the simple-minded type [12:09] <\sh> but anyway, to have a different approach on this discussion, i would like to see, when malone gives us the possibility to act as a "global frontend" to at least ubuntus and debians bugzilla engines [12:10] I'm schyzophrenic-minded [12:10] if that's the spelling :) [12:10] I like gnome as desktop system because of its simplicity and ease of use [12:10] <\sh> koke: u mean "member of gotham city asylum"? ,-) [12:10] but I *can't* handle my mail with evolution [12:11] I'm switching between kmail and mutt [12:11] <\sh> koke: same with me and exchange [12:11] \sh: but ubuntu's bugzilla is meant to disappear :) [12:12] ajmitch_: I think the point is [12:12] <\sh> ajmitch_: if malone can take over, most likely, but right now, i don't see it [12:12] a user should be able to file a bug without running away scared [12:12] \sh: suppsedly it's meant to be taking over completely in ~6 weeks ;) [12:12] koke: and they can do that with bugzilla?? [12:12] but, a developer/maintainer should handle hundreds of bugs in the same time or less than with bugzilla [12:12] <\sh> ajmitch_: honestly? no way [12:12] ajmitch_: no, that's the point [12:13] \sh: that is the plan [12:13] the malone point is to ease the users life [12:13] but it should be as powerful as bugzilla for developers [12:13] <\sh> ajmitch_: yeah, the plan...I know the plan ;) i saw it on first of april :) everything broke, just because of the plan ;) [12:13] heh [12:14] if you can get more bug reports from more users, but you make the developers work slower, that will collapse :) [12:14] :D [12:14] <\sh> ajmitch_: it's always the same: there is a difference between marketing and those geeks known as technicians ;) === ajmitch_ prefers to just work, not deal with a bts :) [12:15] <\sh> ajmitch_: put away the jokes...if malone should take over bugzilla, it must be get faster, and for the assigned "resolver" easier to handle. information at your fingertips...and not "click here click there" [12:16] \sh: sadly it was no joke :) [12:16] yep but the *big* problem is that the bts is the piece of software between those crazy geeks and those users [12:17] so it's really hard to make both sides happy [12:17] <\sh> koke: no... [12:17] <\sh> koke: u only have to find the right interface between user (easy to handle) and geek (easy to work with) [12:18] <\sh> user needs an easy interface to enter his problem... [12:18] I would do a "report tool for dummies" [12:18] <\sh> geek needs a shellscript with "1. take 2. enter comment 3. attach patch 4. resolve 5. reject 6. upstream task" ,-) [12:19] like the gnome simple bug guide [12:19] and for the geeky part something just like bugzilla + xmlrpc (or smth similar) interface [12:20] and let the scripting party start :D [12:21] <\sh> well, lets see what will await us in the next weeks of malone...i mean, solving puzzles like the "windows way" is no problem for us ;) so using malone won't harm us at all [12:22] <\sh> and I really need to get some sleep right now [12:22] me too [12:22] <\sh> so that i can send thom the SER package today [12:23] <\sh> so good night ..cu in the morning [12:23] night dude [12:39] w0w, gnat 3.15 Build-Depends on gnat (>=3.14), gnat (<<3.16) [12:42] heh [12:42] bootstrapping craziness? [12:42] it installs gnat-4.0 and fails [12:45] one of the c++ transitions, or something else you needed to fix? :) [12:45] sleep tight everyone [12:46] I don't know, I had a bug on that [12:46] night dholbach [12:46] I think it was from the UniverseDoesNotBuild === ajmitch_ needs to feed his upload addiction [12:46] the problem was with libflorist-3.15p-1 [12:46] which depends on gnat-3.15 [12:47] which build-deps on itself [12:47] yep [12:47] crack [12:48] bootstrapping at its best [12:48] :) [12:48] bootstrapping with strict dependencies is annoying [12:48] i won't bother - i did my daily upload ;-) [12:48] the gnu pages are sooo ugly [12:49] http://www.gnu.org/software/gnat/ <-- do you think this can be the homepage for any piece of software?? [12:49] koke: btw, qemu 0.6.1 also fails with gcc 4.0, I've tried building it in my mad merge run ;) [12:49] gvien that gnat is "relatively" widely used [12:50] ugly [12:50] ajmitch_: I guessed that, it's not a 0.7 problem, it's a 4.0 one :) [12:50] yep [12:50] the qemu hackers are nice [12:50] koke: Use gcc3.4 [12:51] I fixed the same problem for x86 recently. Fixing ppc should be easier. [12:51] I hope they'll fix "soon" [12:51] maybe I could pull the patch from cvs? [12:51] dpatch is nice like that [12:53] To compile Ada from the sources, install an older working Ada compiler.... [12:53] :D [12:53] of course [12:53] but not the one you're trying to build.. [01:35] ajmitch_, don't waste that much time on python modules ... they will be synced, when Debian unfreezes ... [01:35] doko: ok.. === koke sleep() [01:42] koke: gnat shouldn't be touched, it all relies on gnat-3.15, and should be fine. === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-188-241.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] tseng: around? [03:00] hey whiprush [03:00] hey aj [03:00] what's new? [03:00] not much [03:00] catching up at work mostly. [03:00] yeah, I'm at work at the moment [03:01] you were at work whip? I should have stopped by on the way home to harass you [03:01] no I wasn't [03:01] ah [03:01] My affliction of sladen-disease continues to rear its ugly head. [03:01] heh [03:02] I seemed to have missed flubuntu [03:02] everyone in the office is sick now, it's miserable [03:02] "I went to UDU, and all I got was a the flu" [03:04] "I went to UDU and all I got was flamed by bob2." [03:04] all it takes to cure yourself is to curl up with a fifth of liquor and don't stop drinking till it's gone... sure to kill any infection [03:04] whiprush: haha [03:04] I think that's how nyquil works. [03:04] it doesn't actually do anything but make you drunk. [03:05] makes it more tolerable [03:07] whiprush: I read a BBC article today and the jorno said ''the plague'' was doing the rounds at the Canne film festival [03:08] for the next ubuntu conference they should have a cart, like they used to do for the black death [03:08] then we can just throw people in there and have them taken away. [03:08] bring out your dead! [03:08] "I'm not dead!" [03:08] *tonk* [03:09] sounds like a Blackadder skit [03:10] good ole monty python [03:10] :) [03:31] whiprush: yes [03:32] hey guys umm executing debuild in a chroot using fakeroot is giving some errors [03:33] anyone have any idea sh: /dev/null: Permission denied [03:33] /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 52: /dev/null: Permission denied [03:33] /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 54: /dev/null: Permission denied [03:33] dpkg-buildpackage: source package is getwifi === prevod [prevod@P2-265-20120.dialup.ns.ac.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] jabra: are you not using pbuilder? [03:33] umm no [03:33] just like debuild [03:34] it's always prefered that one use pbuilder [03:34] should I use pbuilder [03:34] ok well the docs I found online were for debuild and dh_make [03:34] what are you trying to do? [03:34] build a package [03:35] for personal use or for practice or for universe? [03:35] unviverse [03:35] I wanta get it accepted [03:35] I highly recommend you use pbuilder, because if you intend to make the package for universe, you'll need to be familiar with pbuilder regardless [03:36] I made some changes that we suggested I make and I wanta do it [03:36] ok [03:36] so I will go doc hunting then [03:36] sure. I can also give you the quick breakdown: [03:36] awesome === jabra is all ears [03:37] sudo aptitude install pbuilder [03:37] got it install already in the chroot [03:37] cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc [03:37] ok [03:38] change MIRRORSITE to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] dude just use the wiki howto [03:38] PbuilderHowto [03:38] oh yeah, I totally forgot about that [03:38] ok I will look at that [03:39] awesome thanks [03:40] cool === kurros [~wade@92-14.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] Save the file and run the command below to build your hoary chroot: that is the only thing I don't understand? [03:44] what if I already have a chroot? [03:44] pbuilder makes its own chroot [03:44] ok so chroot inside a chroot? [03:44] um [03:44] possibly? [03:45] your main ubuntu install is a chroot? [03:45] I setup a debootstrap and made a breezy chroot [03:45] ok well [03:45] pbuilder can be its own breezy chroot [03:45] no I am running hoary with a breezy chroot [03:45] ignore the other one [03:45] buh comeon [03:45] ok so nuke it? [03:45] nuke what? [03:45] the thing I have [03:46] if you want [03:46] there is no problem having it [03:46] ok [03:46] could be fine for testing the packages you build [03:46] ok watever for testing or whatever [03:46] if you dont actually have a breezy system [03:46] ya exactyl [03:46] right [03:46] ok ya [03:46] jabra: from your hoary install, setup pbuilder like the pbuilder howto says. pbuilder will build its own chroot. [03:46] right [03:46] pbuilder kills all changes on every instance [03:46] so its not great for test install [03:46] you dont need to setup your own chroot for builder [03:47] but if I already had it setup [03:47] its easier to forget your own chroot and use pbuilders [03:47] ya that is what I am going to do then [03:47] pbuilder will build a new chroot everytime you run it. [03:47] aight === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp0011074406pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [~user@202.172.110.19] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Shamilton0360 [~Shane@CPE000ae619f0cb-CM014490008506.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] hmm getting weird errors [04:18] should I use borary or breezy for the pbuilder [04:18] breezy, if you are building for breezy [04:18] ok then [04:19] you can have a breezy pbuilder on a hoary machine [04:19] uilding the build environment [04:19] -> running debootstrap [04:19] I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release [04:19] E: Interrupt caught ... exiting [04:19] pbuilder: debootstrap failed [04:19] -> Aborting with an error [04:19] -> cleaning the build env [04:19] that is wat i am getting [04:21] no clue why === abarbaccia [~abarbacci@ool-18b8cf07.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:29] hey all - whats the status of gnome-bluetooth in breezy - because its broken in hoary [04:30] and i have a nice array of bluetooth devices i can help test on [04:31] how is it broken in hoary? [04:33] well, it recognized my bluetooth - and then it finds my devices - but will never connect to transfer [04:36] i googled a bit and there are bug reports and stuff for it [04:36] it worked in warty then broke in hoary [04:36] talk to pitti & thom if you want to help with bluetooth in breezy then [04:36] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSupport [04:37] yea [04:37] get that shyte working [04:37] I'm getting a bluetooth cellphone very soon [04:37] and a shiny new IBM X41 laptop === ajmitch_ still has his nice shiny pII-400 laptop ;) [04:42] hah [04:43] I have my broken-ass Dell i8200 P4m-1.7Ghz === ivoks [~ivoks@213.202.96.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] ok I fixed the problem I was having [04:47] hi [04:49] hi ivoks [04:50] o, ajmitch_ [04:52] lol, our police buyed new interceptors... 2 superbs, 2 mondeos, 4 passat, accord and vectra [04:52] no more speeding on highways :) [04:53] anyone know how to have openoffice etc load into memory when the computer starts to lower load time? [04:53] Shamilton0360 ooo-something [04:54] ooqstart-gnome - OpenOffice.org QuickStarter applet for GNOME 2 [04:58] "quick" is a relative term [04:58] i don't think OO.o and quick belong in the same sentence with not being involved [04:59] and are you thinking of prelink? [04:59] uuhhmmm what is the root password on a clean instal? [04:59] sudo -s [05:00] ??? [05:00] use sudo -s [05:00] rather than logging in as root [05:00] or using su [05:00] sudo -s will ask for your password [05:00] there /is/ no password [05:01] Shamilton0360, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [05:01] and it's more of a #ubuntu question [05:01] sorry [05:05] well good night. === Shamilton0360 [~Shane@CPE000ae619f0cb-CM014490008506.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === niran [~niran@lucianus.Stanford.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@213.202.96.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] i have problems with manpages [07:00] hey - what happened to you the other day, ivoks ? [07:00] when i build package, tey aren [07:00] 't installing [07:00] when? [07:00] when I was giving you the tutorial on RF propagation, etc. [07:01] ah... [07:01] you vanished ;) [07:01] sorry about that... my father called me, and my laptop run out of battery :) [07:01] no problem :) [07:02] well.. about that manpages... [07:02] yeah, can you paste your debian/rules somewhere so I can see it? [07:02] i have wifi-radar.1 and wifi-radar.5 [07:02] hm... sure...a sec [07:03] http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/rules [07:03] that's .ex [07:04] okay [07:05] and, i have wifi-radar.1 and wifi-radar.conf.1 [07:05] .5 [07:05] .conf.5, not .1 :) [07:06] Not sure, ivoks [07:06] ok [07:07] dh_installman should do it, right? [07:07] yes [07:07] if I strace that... i get this: [07:07] stat64("debian/wifi-radar.manpages", 0x814c0c8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [07:08] shouldn't it be debian/wifi-radar.[12345678] ? [07:08] nope [07:08] you list the files in debian/wifi-radar.manpages [07:08] ah.. [07:09] what's the syntax? [07:09] thanks, ajmitch_ [07:09] thanks ajmitch_ ;) [07:09] ivoks: the manpages, listed one per line :) [07:09] ok :) [07:11] all right! [07:11] /usr/share/man/man8/wifi-radar.conf.8.gz [07:11] wtf?! :) [07:11] 8? [07:12] ok, typo :) === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] ok, ready for review :) === crimmy [~daniel@cpe-024-163-029-003.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] welp, finally junked my 7 year-old Debian install for Ubuntu [07:24] hehe [07:25] lvm is sweet [07:25] allways been [07:25] I still have a 5.25" diskette drive in here that I used to install Debian ;) [07:29] i don't know where my potato CDs are [07:31] my first debian was from one pc magazine... they distributed it one 3 CDs, one CD every month... [07:31] thas was the end of RedHat on my computers... [07:31] My first debian was ubuntu [07:31] I remember rh 5.0 and 6.2 [07:32] Used redhat 5 with enlightenment as the wm [07:32] crazy [07:32] i used potato with enlightenment :) [07:32] first redhat was 5.2 [07:33] as potato, i buyed it tobacco shop :) [07:33] s/it/it in/ [07:34] woops, need linux-686-smp, brb === stone__ [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimmy [~daniel@cpe-024-163-029-003.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] ah, much better. :) [07:50] :) [07:50] how many procs? [07:50] 2 (P3 1 GHz) [07:50] nice [07:51] system has been upgraded so often === susus [~sz@p5089FB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089FB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:02] omg [08:03] someone disconnected server from network [08:03] the problem is that 60 other computers mount root over NFS from it [08:03] that doesn't bode well [08:03] and they are all in cluster :) [08:03] over 400 jobs died [08:06] yo you want to hear something crazy guys [08:06] allways :) [08:06] the new xbox 360 will have 3 processors, water cooling and over 1 trillion processes a second [08:07] ah... [08:07] they'll make nice breezy boxes then [08:07] it has usb to handle digital cameras, memory cards, mp3s [08:07] its wireless g [08:08] 40gb hdd [08:08] they recorded the "first release" today to air in a week and the whole thing like slipped out [08:19] darGor system pref. themes === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] we need fix for firefox! [09:08] ivoks: poke thom :) [09:14] msg him? === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] hi all! [09:17] good $timeOfDay! [09:21] :D [09:33] wow, dpkg sure flies when it doesn't have half a decade of cruft tying it down [09:35] ah... firefox problems :( [09:35] ivoks, which problems this time? [09:35] ubuntu related [09:35] it is 1.0.2 [09:35] with all bugfixes from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 [09:36] that makes it version 1.0.4, doesn't it? [09:36] but... version string syas 1.0.2 [09:36] and... now when you try to get some extensions, mozilla suggest upgrade [09:36] and doesn't allow you to install extensions [09:36] so... stoopid situation [09:39] yep; same problem here. It must be a new thing on mozilla.org's side since I can't remember seeing that in the past [09:39] it is [09:39] <\sh> morning [09:39] <\sh> *yawn* [09:40] ivoks, have you submitted a bug report about this? [09:40] no [09:40] will do now [09:40] and ping thom about the mozilla-firefox issue when he's awake [09:41] I'm sure Thom will see the bug report. [09:41] oh he will :) [09:41] I wonder if there is a way around the problem beside actually naming our firefox 1.0.4.... [09:42] there is [09:42] just change version string in firefox [09:42] not package name [09:45] if you thought people were confused before, just imagine the story with Firefox displaying a different version than the version number of the package. [09:45] :) [09:47] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 - there... [09:47] someone with better english should add couple of comments :) [09:54] <\sh> ok..i hate this all... [09:54] <\sh> bugs should be reproduced in the standard locale [09:55] ? [09:56] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9841 [09:57] <\sh> i'd try to reproduce it, but it's working correctly. I don't see the issue at all. now I know, that this guy is using dutch locale, i have to rearrange my locale settings to non-understandable dutch settings ;) [09:58] :) [09:58] <\sh> anybody is a native dutch speaker? ,-) [09:58] \sh: hm? [09:58] <\sh> here [09:58] \sh: I'm one [09:58] <\sh> Treenaks: can u have a look on this bug? [09:59] url? [09:59] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9841 [10:00] \sh: the screenshot? or something else? === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] \sh: "Bladwijzer" is "bookmark", "Nieuwe map" is "new folder", what more do you need? [10:01] <\sh> Treenaks: no the whole story. i tried to reproduce it, but my firefox (en_US) is just working fine [10:01] <\sh> Treenaks: he is creating under the "bookmark" folder a new folder [10:02] <\sh> but this "new folder" is not shown in the drop down [10:02] <\sh> (for him) [10:02] <\sh> I walked all the steps top down and it's working here [10:03] works fine for me (Dutch locale) [10:03] <\sh> what could it be then [10:03] even better: it's selected by default when I create it [10:03] <\sh> Treenaks: yeah [10:04] I'd say User Error [10:07] anyone having problems with libpng12 ? [10:09] <\sh> ok..i will reject or resolving [10:09] let's take a look [10:10] could be permissons in his ~? [10:11] <\sh> ivoks: for the bookmarks? [10:12] yes [10:12] i don't know... long shot :) [10:12] <\sh> but if he's creating one item inside this new folder via manager, it's working [10:12] <\sh> so no item in new folder== not working [10:12] yeah, true... [10:12] <\sh> one item in new folder == working [10:12] <\sh> so permissions is not the cause [10:13] <\sh> resolve bug to: worksforme with a comment [10:13] Treenaks what's dutch locales? nl_NL? [10:14] ivoks: ack [10:14] <\sh> ivoks: set it in firefox ;) [10:14] :) [10:17] i give up :) [10:19] <\sh> hehe...worksforme is the right solution ;) [10:19] hm... [10:19] guy dived on north pol... 50m under ice :) [10:19] without oxygen [10:20] I need some tester [10:21] for...? [10:21] could anyone please build&test pinball from... [10:21] http://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/ [10:21] I think I have a broken libpng [10:28] no source [10:29] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pinball/pinball_0.3.1.orig.tar.gz [10:29] sorry [10:30] uh... 6 mega... [10:31] yep, the sounds are .wav [10:31] first, do you have imagemagick installed? [10:31] still d/w source :) [10:32] i have [10:32] the command display face2.png gives me a libpng error: Decompression error [10:32] http://amedias.org/~koke/misc/face2.png [10:32] check it please [10:32] but it shows ok with firefox and eog [10:34] the strange thing is that eog and imagemagick are using the same libpng12-0 [10:38] back in 5 mins [10:39] uh, lot of -dev... === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-34-31.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] koke [10:51] ivoks: tell me [10:52] it compiles ok [10:52] but freezes on start [10:54] times out on something [10:54] select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 10000}) = 0 (Timeout) [10:55] it shows a "libpng error: Decompression error" ?? [10:56] nope [10:56] wait... [10:58] ah.. [10:59] Vendor : open /dev/sequencer: No such device [11:00] here it stops.. [11:08] ivoks: I think the select is the game menu waiting for input [11:08]