[12:01] <\sh> well, it wasn't my day today...so i should quite for today and have some sleep
[12:02] <\sh> s/today/yesterday/
[12:03] <\sh> ajmitch_: lucky guy
[12:03] <\sh> oh hasn't I read has ;)
[12:03] <koke> hmmm, pleas go to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/tasks/574/+edit
[12:03] <koke> and click "Change" without changing anything
[12:04] <\sh> jepp
[12:04] <koke> do you see the dropdown with "Jorge Bernal" x 2 ??
[12:04] <\sh> no
[12:04] <ajmitch_> koke: yep
[12:04] <koke> xD
[12:04] <\sh> which browser?
[12:04] <koke> Firefox
[12:04] <ajmitch_> it assigned you twice? :)
[12:04] <ajmitch_> firefox
[12:04] <\sh> oh inside the dropdown
[12:05] <koke> ajmitch_: but do Ctrl-L, Enter
[12:05] <koke> and the dropdown disappear
[12:05] <ajmitch_> koke: hah, great
[12:05] <\sh> strange
[12:06] <\sh> i wonder how many pieces of broken javascript is inside this
[12:06] <koke> :D
[12:06] <koke> I like bugzilla much more
[12:07] <\sh> it would be easier to extend kbugbuster to meet our goals
[12:08] <\sh> koke: for the single minded people, bugzilla is too complicated...for the double minded people, bugzilla is enough to work  and for triple minded people like us it's just like the garden of eden ;)
[12:09] <\sh> but anyway, to have a different approach on this discussion, i would like to see, when malone gives us the possibility to act as a "global frontend" to at least ubuntus and debians bugzilla engines
[12:10] <koke> I'm schyzophrenic-minded
[12:10] <koke> if that's the spelling :)
[12:10] <koke> I like gnome as desktop system because of its simplicity and ease of use
[12:10] <\sh> koke: u mean "member of gotham city asylum"? ,-)
[12:10] <koke> but I *can't* handle my mail with evolution
[12:11] <koke> I'm switching between kmail and mutt
[12:11] <\sh> koke: same with me and exchange
[12:11] <ajmitch_> \sh: but ubuntu's bugzilla is meant to disappear :)
[12:12] <koke> ajmitch_: I think the point is
[12:12] <\sh> ajmitch_: if malone can take over, most likely, but right now, i don't see it
[12:12] <koke> a user should be able to file a bug without running away scared
[12:12] <ajmitch_> \sh: suppsedly it's meant to be taking over completely in ~6 weeks ;)
[12:12] <ajmitch_> koke: and they can do that with bugzilla??
[12:12] <koke> but, a developer/maintainer should handle hundreds of bugs in the same time or less than with bugzilla
[12:12] <\sh> ajmitch_: honestly? no way
[12:12] <koke> ajmitch_: no, that's the point
[12:13] <ajmitch_> \sh: that is the plan
[12:13] <koke> the malone point is to ease the users life
[12:13] <koke> but it should be as powerful as bugzilla for developers
[12:13] <\sh> ajmitch_: yeah,  the plan...I know the plan ;) i saw it on first of april :) everything broke, just because of the plan ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:14] <koke> if you can get more bug reports  from more users, but you make the developers work slower, that will collapse :)
[12:14] <koke> :D
[12:14] <\sh> ajmitch_: it's always the same: there is a difference between marketing and those geeks known as technicians ;)
[12:15] <\sh> ajmitch_: put away the jokes...if malone should take over bugzilla, it must be get faster, and for the assigned "resolver" easier to handle. information at your fingertips...and not "click here click there"
[12:16] <ajmitch_> \sh: sadly it was no joke :)
[12:16] <koke> yep but the *big* problem is that the bts is the piece of software between those crazy geeks and those users
[12:17] <koke> so it's really hard to make both sides happy
[12:17] <\sh> koke: no...
[12:17] <\sh> koke: u only have to find the right interface between user (easy to handle) and geek (easy to work with)
[12:18] <\sh> user needs an easy interface to enter his problem...
[12:18] <koke> I would do a "report tool for dummies"
[12:18] <\sh> geek needs a shellscript with "1. take 2. enter comment 3. attach patch 4. resolve 5. reject 6. upstream task" ,-)
[12:19] <koke> like the gnome simple bug guide
[12:19] <koke> and for the geeky part something just like bugzilla + xmlrpc (or smth similar) interface
[12:20] <koke> and let the scripting party start :D
[12:21] <\sh> well, lets see what will await us in the next weeks of malone...i mean, solving puzzles like the "windows way" is no problem for us ;) so using malone won't harm us at all
[12:22] <\sh> and I really need to get some sleep right now
[12:22] <koke> me too
[12:22] <\sh> so that i can send thom the SER package today
[12:23] <\sh> so good night ..cu in the morning
[12:23] <thom> night dude
[12:39] <koke> w0w, gnat 3.15 Build-Depends on gnat (>=3.14), gnat (<<3.16)
[12:42] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:42] <ajmitch_> bootstrapping craziness?
[12:42] <koke> it installs gnat-4.0 and fails
[12:45] <ajmitch_> one of the c++ transitions, or something else you needed to fix? :)
[12:45] <dholbach> sleep tight everyone
[12:46] <koke> I don't know, I had a bug on that
[12:46] <ajmitch_> night dholbach
[12:46] <koke> I think it was from the UniverseDoesNotBuild
[12:46] <koke> the problem was with libflorist-3.15p-1
[12:46] <koke> which depends on gnat-3.15
[12:47] <ajmitch_> which build-deps on itself
[12:47] <koke> yep
[12:47] <ajmitch_> crack
[12:48] <dholbach> bootstrapping at its best
[12:48] <ajmitch_> :)
[12:48] <ajmitch_> bootstrapping with strict dependencies is annoying
[12:48] <dholbach> i won't bother - i did my daily upload ;-)
[12:48] <koke> the gnu pages are sooo ugly
[12:49] <koke> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnat/ <-- do you think this can be the homepage for any piece of software??
[12:49] <ajmitch_> koke: btw, qemu 0.6.1 also fails with gcc 4.0, I've tried building it in my mad merge run ;)
[12:49] <koke> gvien that gnat is "relatively" widely used
[12:50] <ajmitch_> ugly
[12:50] <koke> ajmitch_: I guessed that, it's not a 0.7 problem, it's a 4.0 one :)
[12:50] <ajmitch_> yep
[12:50] <koke> the qemu hackers are nice
 koke: Use gcc3.4
 I fixed the same problem for x86 recently. Fixing ppc should be easier.
[12:51] <koke> I hope they'll fix "soon"
[12:51] <ajmitch_> maybe I could pull the patch from cvs?
[12:51] <ajmitch_> dpatch is nice like that
[12:53] <koke> To compile Ada from the sources, install an older working Ada compiler....
[12:53] <koke> :D
[12:53] <ajmitch_> of course
[12:53] <ajmitch_> but not the one you're trying to build..
[01:35] <doko> ajmitch_, don't waste that much time on python modules ... they will be synced, when Debian unfreezes ...
[01:35] <ajmitch_> doko: ok..
[01:42] <doko> koke: gnat shouldn't be touched, it all relies on gnat-3.15, and should be fine.
[03:00] <whiprush> tseng: around?
[03:00] <ajmitch_> hey whiprush
[03:00] <whiprush> hey aj
[03:00] <ajmitch_> what's new?
[03:00] <whiprush> not much
[03:00] <whiprush> catching up at work mostly.
[03:00] <ajmitch_> yeah, I'm at work at the moment
[03:01] <schweeb> you were at work whip?  I should have stopped by on the way home to harass you
[03:01] <whiprush> no I wasn't
[03:01] <schweeb> ah
[03:01] <whiprush> My affliction of sladen-disease continues to rear its ugly head.
[03:01] <ajmitch_> heh
[03:02] <ajmitch_> I seemed to have missed flubuntu
[03:02] <whiprush> everyone in the office is sick now, it's miserable
[03:02] <ajmitch_> "I went to UDU, and all I got was a the flu"
[03:04] <whiprush> "I went to UDU and all I got was flamed by bob2."
[03:04] <schweeb> all it takes to cure yourself is to curl up with a fifth of liquor and don't stop drinking till it's gone... sure to kill any infection
[03:04] <ajmitch_> whiprush: haha
[03:04] <whiprush> I think that's how nyquil works.
[03:04] <whiprush> it doesn't actually do anything but make you drunk.
[03:05] <ajmitch_> makes it more tolerable
[03:07] <sladen> whiprush: I read a BBC article today and the jorno said ''the plague'' was doing the rounds at the Canne film festival
[03:08] <whiprush> for the next ubuntu conference they should have a cart, like they used to do for the black death
[03:08] <whiprush> then we can just throw people in there and  have them taken away.
[03:08] <crimsun> bring out your dead!
[03:08] <ajmitch_> "I'm not dead!"
[03:08] <crimsun> *tonk*
[03:09] <sladen> sounds like a Blackadder skit
[03:10] <crimsun> good ole monty python
[03:10] <ajmitch_> :)
[03:31] <tseng> whiprush: yes
[03:32] <jabra> hey guys umm executing debuild in a chroot using fakeroot is giving some errors
[03:33] <jabra> anyone have any idea sh: /dev/null: Permission denied
[03:33] <jabra> /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 52: /dev/null: Permission denied
[03:33] <jabra> /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 54: /dev/null: Permission denied
[03:33] <jabra> dpkg-buildpackage: source package is getwifi
[03:33] <crimsun> jabra: are you not using pbuilder?
[03:33] <jabra> umm no
[03:33] <jabra> just like debuild
[03:34] <crimsun> it's always prefered that one use pbuilder
[03:34] <jabra> should I use pbuilder
[03:34] <jabra> ok well the docs I found online were for debuild and dh_make
[03:34] <crimsun> what are you trying to do?
[03:34] <jabra> build a package
[03:35] <crimsun> for personal use or for practice or for universe?
[03:35] <jabra> unviverse
[03:35] <jabra> I wanta get it accepted
[03:35] <crimsun> I highly recommend you use pbuilder, because if you intend to make the package for universe, you'll need to be familiar with pbuilder regardless
[03:36] <jabra> I made some changes that we suggested I make and I wanta do it
[03:36] <jabra> ok
[03:36] <jabra> so I will go doc hunting then
[03:36] <crimsun> sure. I can also give you the quick breakdown:
[03:36] <jabra> awesome
[03:37] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install pbuilder
[03:37] <jabra> got it install already in the chroot
[03:37] <crimsun> cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrc
[03:37] <jabra> ok
[03:38] <crimsun> change MIRRORSITE to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[03:38] <tseng> dude just use the wiki howto
[03:38] <tseng> PbuilderHowto
[03:38] <crimsun> oh yeah, I totally forgot about that
[03:38] <jabra> ok I will look at that
[03:39] <jabra> awesome thanks
[03:40] <jabra> cool
[03:43] <jabra> Save the file and run the command below to build your hoary chroot: that is the only thing I don't understand?
[03:44] <jabra> what if I already have a chroot?
[03:44] <tseng> pbuilder makes its own chroot
[03:44] <jabra> ok so chroot inside a chroot?
[03:44] <tseng> um
[03:44] <tseng> possibly?
[03:45] <tseng> your main ubuntu install is a chroot?
[03:45] <jabra> I setup a debootstrap and made a breezy chroot
[03:45] <tseng> ok well
[03:45] <tseng> pbuilder can be its own breezy chroot
[03:45] <jabra> no I am running hoary with a breezy chroot
[03:45] <tseng> ignore the other one
[03:45] <tseng> buh comeon
[03:45] <jabra> ok so nuke it?
[03:45] <tseng> nuke what?
[03:45] <jabra> the thing I have
[03:46] <tseng> if you want
[03:46] <tseng> there is no problem having it
[03:46] <jabra> ok
[03:46] <tseng> could be fine for testing the packages you build
[03:46] <jabra> ok watever for testing or whatever
[03:46] <tseng> if you dont actually have a breezy system
[03:46] <jabra> ya exactyl
[03:46] <jabra> right
[03:46] <jabra> ok ya
[03:46] <Unfrgiven> jabra: from your hoary install, setup pbuilder like the pbuilder howto says. pbuilder will build its own chroot.
[03:46] <jabra> right
[03:46] <tseng> pbuilder kills all changes on every instance
[03:46] <tseng> so its not great for test install
[03:46] <Unfrgiven> you dont need to setup your own chroot for builder
[03:47] <jabra> but if I already had it setup
[03:47] <Unfrgiven> its easier to forget your own chroot and use pbuilders
[03:47] <jabra> ya that is what I am going to do then
[03:47] <Unfrgiven> pbuilder will build a new chroot everytime you run it.
[03:47] <jabra> aight
[04:18] <jabra> hmm getting weird errors
[04:18] <jabra> should I use borary or breezy for the pbuilder
[04:18] <Burgundavia> breezy, if you are building for breezy
[04:18] <jabra> ok then
[04:19] <Burgundavia> you can have a breezy pbuilder on a hoary machine
[04:19] <jabra> uilding the build environment
[04:19] <jabra>  -> running debootstrap
[04:19] <jabra> I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_hoary_Release
[04:19] <jabra> E: Interrupt caught ... exiting
[04:19] <jabra> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[04:19] <jabra>  -> Aborting with an error
[04:19] <jabra>  -> cleaning the build env
[04:19] <jabra> that is wat i am getting
[04:21] <jabra> no clue why
[04:29] <abarbaccia> hey all - whats the status of gnome-bluetooth in breezy - because its broken in hoary
[04:30] <abarbaccia> and i have a nice array of bluetooth devices i can help test on
[04:31] <ajmitch_> how is it broken in hoary?
[04:33] <abarbaccia> well, it recognized my bluetooth - and then it finds my devices - but will never connect to transfer
[04:36] <abarbaccia> i googled a bit and there are bug reports and stuff for it
[04:36] <abarbaccia> it worked in warty then broke in hoary
[04:36] <ajmitch_> talk to pitti & thom if you want to help with bluetooth in breezy then
[04:36] <ajmitch_> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BluetoothSupport
[04:37] <schweeb> yea
[04:37] <schweeb> get that shyte working
[04:37] <schweeb> I'm getting  a bluetooth cellphone very soon
[04:37] <schweeb> and a shiny new IBM X41 laptop
[04:42] <schweeb> hah
[04:43] <schweeb> I have my broken-ass Dell i8200 P4m-1.7Ghz
[04:46] <jabra> ok I fixed the problem I was having
[04:47] <ivoks> hi
[04:49] <ajmitch_> hi ivoks
[04:50] <ivoks> o, ajmitch_
[04:52] <ivoks> lol, our police buyed new interceptors... 2 superbs, 2 mondeos, 4 passat, accord and vectra
[04:52] <ivoks> no more speeding on highways :)
[04:53] <Shamilton0360> anyone know how to have openoffice etc load into memory when the computer starts to lower load time?
[04:53] <ivoks> Shamilton0360 ooo-something
[04:54] <ivoks> ooqstart-gnome - OpenOffice.org QuickStarter applet for GNOME 2
[04:58] <schweeb> "quick" is a relative term
[04:58] <Burgundavia> i don't think OO.o and quick belong in the same sentence with not being involved
[04:59] <schweeb> and are you thinking of prelink?
[04:59] <Shamilton0360> uuhhmmm what is the root password on a clean instal?
[04:59] <schweeb> sudo -s
[05:00] <Shamilton0360> ???
[05:00] <schweeb> use sudo -s
[05:00] <schweeb> rather than logging in as root
[05:00] <schweeb> or using su
[05:00] <schweeb> sudo -s will ask for your password
[05:00] <schweeb> there /is/ no password
[05:01] <Burgundavia> Shamilton0360, wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:01] <schweeb> and it's more of a #ubuntu question
[05:01] <Shamilton0360> sorry
[05:05] <Shamilton0360> well good night.
[06:59] <ivoks> i have problems with manpages
[07:00] <tritium> hey - what happened to you the other day, ivoks ?
[07:00] <ivoks> when i build package, tey aren
[07:00] <ivoks> 't installing
[07:00] <ivoks> when?
[07:00] <tritium> when I was giving you the tutorial on RF propagation, etc.
[07:01] <ivoks> ah...
[07:01] <tritium> you vanished ;)
[07:01] <ivoks> sorry about that... my father called me, and my laptop run out of battery :)
[07:01] <tritium> no problem :)
[07:02] <ivoks> well.. about that manpages...
[07:02] <tritium> yeah, can you paste your debian/rules somewhere so I can see it?
[07:02] <ivoks> i have wifi-radar.1 and wifi-radar.5
[07:02] <ivoks> hm... sure...a sec
[07:03] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/rules
[07:03] <ivoks> that's .ex
[07:04] <tritium> okay
[07:05] <ivoks> and, i have wifi-radar.1 and wifi-radar.conf.1
[07:05] <ivoks> .5
[07:05] <ivoks> .conf.5, not .1 :)
[07:06] <tritium> Not sure, ivoks
[07:06] <ivoks> ok
[07:07] <ivoks> dh_installman should do it, right?
[07:07] <tritium> yes
[07:07] <ivoks> if I strace that... i get this:
[07:07] <ivoks> stat64("debian/wifi-radar.manpages", 0x814c0c8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[07:08] <ivoks> shouldn't it be debian/wifi-radar.[12345678] ?
[07:08] <ajmitch_> nope
[07:08] <ajmitch_> you list the files in debian/wifi-radar.manpages
[07:08] <ivoks> ah..
[07:09] <ivoks> what's the syntax?
[07:09] <tritium> thanks, ajmitch_
[07:09] <ivoks> thanks ajmitch_ ;)
[07:09] <ajmitch_> ivoks: the manpages, listed one per line :)
[07:09] <ivoks> ok :)
[07:11] <ivoks> all right!
[07:11] <ivoks>  /usr/share/man/man8/wifi-radar.conf.8.gz
[07:11] <ivoks> wtf?! :)
[07:11] <ivoks> 8?
[07:12] <ivoks> ok, typo :)
[07:22] <ivoks> ok, ready for review :)
[07:24] <crimmy> welp, finally junked my 7 year-old Debian install for Ubuntu
[07:24] <ivoks> hehe
[07:25] <crimmy> lvm is sweet
[07:25] <ivoks> allways been
[07:25] <crimmy> I still have a 5.25" diskette drive in here that I used to install Debian ;)
[07:29] <ivoks> i don't know where my potato CDs are
[07:31] <ivoks> my first debian was from one pc magazine... they distributed it one 3 CDs, one CD every month...
[07:31] <ivoks> thas was the end of RedHat on my computers...
[07:31] <g14> My first debian was ubuntu
[07:31] <crimmy> I remember rh 5.0 and 6.2
[07:32] <g14> Used redhat 5 with enlightenment as the wm
[07:32] <g14> crazy
[07:32] <ivoks> i used potato with enlightenment :)
[07:32] <ivoks> first redhat was 5.2
[07:33] <ivoks> as potato, i buyed it tobacco shop :)
[07:33] <ivoks> s/it/it in/
[07:34] <crimmy> woops, need linux-686-smp, brb
[07:42] <crimmy> ah, much better. :)
[07:50] <ivoks> :)
[07:50] <ivoks> how many procs?
[07:50] <crimmy> 2 (P3 1 GHz)
[07:50] <ivoks> nice
[07:51] <crimmy> system has been upgraded so often
[08:02] <ivoks> omg
[08:03] <ivoks> someone disconnected server from network
[08:03] <ivoks> the problem is that 60 other computers mount root over NFS from it
[08:03] <crimmy> that doesn't bode well
[08:03] <ivoks> and they are all in cluster :)
[08:03] <ivoks> over 400 jobs died
[08:06] <abarbaccia> yo you want to hear something crazy guys
[08:06] <ivoks> allways :)
[08:06] <abarbaccia> the new xbox 360 will have 3 processors, water cooling and over 1 trillion processes a second
[08:07] <ivoks> ah...
[08:07] <crimmy> they'll make nice breezy boxes then
[08:07] <abarbaccia> it has usb to handle digital cameras, memory cards, mp3s
[08:07] <abarbaccia> its wireless g
[08:08] <abarbaccia> 40gb hdd
[08:08] <abarbaccia> they recorded the "first release" today to air in a week and the whole thing like slipped out
[08:19] <ivoks> darGor system pref. themes
[09:06] <ivoks> we need fix for firefox!
[09:08] <Treenaks> ivoks: poke thom :)
[09:14] <ivoks> msg him?
[09:17] <koke> hi all!
[09:17] <crimmy> good $timeOfDay!
[09:21] <koke> :D
[09:33] <crimsun> wow, dpkg sure flies when it doesn't have half a decade of cruft tying it down
[09:35] <ivoks> ah... firefox problems :(
[09:35] <robitaille> ivoks,  which problems this time?
[09:35] <ivoks> ubuntu related
[09:35] <ivoks> it is 1.0.2
[09:35] <ivoks> with all bugfixes from 1.0.3 and 1.0.4
[09:36] <ivoks> that makes it version 1.0.4, doesn't it?
[09:36] <ivoks> but... version string syas 1.0.2
[09:36] <ivoks> and... now when you try to get some extensions, mozilla suggest upgrade
[09:36] <ivoks> and doesn't allow you to install extensions
[09:36] <ivoks> so... stoopid situation
[09:39] <robitaille> yep; same problem here.  It must be a new thing on mozilla.org's side since I can't remember seeing that in the past
[09:39] <ivoks> it is
[09:39] <\sh> morning
[09:39] <\sh> *yawn*
[09:40] <robitaille> ivoks,  have you submitted a bug report about this?
[09:40] <ivoks> no
[09:40] <ivoks> will do now
[09:40] <crimsun> and ping thom about the mozilla-firefox issue when he's awake
[09:41] <robitaille> I'm sure Thom will see the bug report.
[09:41] <crimsun> oh he will :)
[09:41] <robitaille> I wonder if there is a way around the problem beside actually naming our firefox 1.0.4....
[09:42] <ivoks> there is
[09:42] <ivoks> just change version string in firefox
[09:42] <ivoks> not package name
[09:45] <robitaille> if you thought people were confused before, just imagine the story with Firefox displaying a different version than the version number of the package.
[09:45] <ivoks> :)
[09:47] <ivoks> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681 - there...
[09:47] <ivoks> someone with better english should add couple of comments :)
[09:54] <\sh> ok..i hate this all...
[09:54] <\sh> bugs should be reproduced in the standard locale
[09:55] <ivoks> ?
[09:56] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9841
[09:57] <\sh> i'd try to reproduce it, but it's working correctly. I don't see the issue at all. now I know, that this guy is using dutch locale, i have to rearrange my locale settings to non-understandable dutch settings ;)
[09:58] <ivoks> :)
[09:58] <\sh> anybody is a native dutch speaker? ,-)
[09:58] <Treenaks> \sh: hm?
here </insert>
[09:58] <Treenaks> \sh: I'm one
[09:58] <\sh> Treenaks: can u have a look on this bug?
[09:59] <Treenaks> url?
[09:59] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9841
[10:00] <Treenaks> \sh: the screenshot? or something else?
[10:01] <Treenaks> \sh: "Bladwijzer" is "bookmark", "Nieuwe map" is "new folder", what more do you need?
[10:01] <\sh> Treenaks: no the whole story. i tried to reproduce it, but my firefox (en_US) is just working fine
[10:01] <\sh> Treenaks: he is creating under the "bookmark" folder a new folder
[10:02] <\sh> but this "new folder" is not shown in the drop down
[10:02] <\sh> (for him)
[10:02] <\sh> I walked all the steps top down and it's working here
[10:03] <Treenaks> works fine for me (Dutch locale)
[10:03] <\sh> what could it be then
[10:03] <Treenaks> even better: it's selected by default when I create it
[10:03] <\sh> Treenaks: yeah
[10:04] <Treenaks> I'd say User Error
[10:07] <koke> anyone having problems with libpng12 ?
[10:09] <\sh> ok..i will reject or resolving
[10:09] <ivoks> let's take a look
[10:10] <ivoks> could be permissons in his ~?
[10:11] <\sh> ivoks: for the bookmarks?
[10:12] <ivoks> yes
[10:12] <ivoks> i don't know... long shot :)
[10:12] <\sh> but if he's creating one item inside this new folder via manager, it's working
[10:12] <\sh> so no item in new folder== not working
[10:12] <ivoks> yeah, true...
[10:12] <\sh> one item in new folder == working
[10:12] <\sh> so permissions is not the cause
[10:13] <\sh> resolve bug to: worksforme with a comment
[10:13] <ivoks> Treenaks what's dutch locales? nl_NL?
[10:14] <Treenaks> ivoks: ack
[10:14] <\sh> ivoks: set it in firefox ;)
[10:14] <ivoks> :)
[10:17] <ivoks> i give up :)
[10:19] <\sh> hehe...worksforme is the right solution ;)
[10:19] <ivoks> hm...
[10:19] <ivoks> guy dived on north pol... 50m under ice :)
[10:19] <ivoks> without oxygen
[10:20] <koke> I need some tester
[10:21] <ivoks> for...?
[10:21] <koke> could anyone please build&test pinball from...
[10:21] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/debian/breezy/
[10:21] <koke> I think I have  a broken libpng
[10:28] <ivoks> no source
[10:29] <koke> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pinball/pinball_0.3.1.orig.tar.gz
[10:29] <koke> sorry
[10:30] <ivoks> uh... 6 mega...
[10:31] <koke> yep, the sounds are .wav
[10:31] <koke> first, do you have imagemagick installed?
[10:31] <ivoks> still d/w source :)
[10:32] <ivoks> i have
[10:32] <koke> the command display face2.png gives me a libpng error: Decompression error
[10:32] <koke> http://amedias.org/~koke/misc/face2.png
[10:32] <koke> check it please
[10:32] <koke> but it shows ok with firefox and eog
[10:34] <koke> the strange thing is that eog and imagemagick are using the same libpng12-0
[10:38] <koke> back in 5 mins
[10:39] <ivoks> uh, lot of -dev...
[10:50] <ivoks> koke
[10:51] <koke> ivoks: tell me
[10:52] <ivoks> it compiles ok
[10:52] <ivoks> but freezes on start
[10:54] <ivoks> times out on something
[10:54] <ivoks> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 10000}) = 0 (Timeout)
[10:55] <koke> it shows a "libpng error: Decompression error" ??
[10:56] <ivoks> nope
[10:56] <ivoks> wait...
[10:58] <ivoks> ah..
[10:59] <ivoks> Vendor     : open /dev/sequencer: No such device
[11:00] <ivoks> here it stops..
[11:08] <koke> ivoks: I think the select is the game menu waiting for input
[11:08] <koke> thanks anyway
[11:09] <koke> I think I've fixed the build bug, but it doesn't work :(
[11:09] <koke> ivoks: what arch are you using?
[11:11] <\sh> another try to get rid of lintian errors on ser
[11:24] <\sh> W: ser source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[11:24] <\sh> W: ser source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.8.14-0ubuntu1
[11:29] <ogra> \sh, these are ok
[11:29] <\sh> ogra: so it's not being critical to forget them?
[11:29] <ogra> yep
[11:30] <ogra> we have no fixed maintainers, so we cant have NMU's
[11:30] <\sh> thx :) I'm building here and building there...only to get rid of those warnings ;)
[11:30] <\sh> and I want to have this: http://pydev.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[11:34] <\sh> ah thom :)
[11:34] <\sh> the right man at the right time :)
[11:38] <janm> Hi, I just rebuilt the ruby-gnome2 bindings (0.12) from debian in ubuntu and I just want to know if the maintainer is interested for a patch? If so, where should I file it? thanks.
[11:38] <ogra> lol, Requirements:
[11:38] <ogra> # Eclipse 3.0.x
[11:39] <ogra> so you need java to develop python with it ?
[11:39] <ogra> heh
[11:39] <\sh> ogra: eclipse native compile with gcj
[11:40] <Treenaks> ogra: not vim?
[11:40] <ogra> Treenaks, all incarnations.... i us nvi if nothing else is around ;)
[11:40] <ogra> use even
[11:40] <Treenaks> elvis
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: i like eclipse, it's the only java application i really admire
[11:42] <\sh> thom: check your jabber messages...url for downloading all stuff for SER...forget about manpages and non-stripped binaries :)
[11:42] <\sh> well, the others here can test it as well
[11:42] <\sh> http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/index1.php?path=ser
[11:42] <\sh> g
[11:43] <\sh> and create packages without debug code
[11:52] <ivoks> back
[11:52] <ivoks> koke i386
[11:53] <koke> could you try the version in the archive and tell me if it crashes the same way??
[11:56] <ivoks> k... sec
[11:58] <ivoks> koke it works
[11:59] <koke> ouch!
[12:00] <ivoks> well
[12:00] <ivoks> you'll do better next time :)
[12:00] <koke> ivoks: it should be the same for you
[12:00] <koke> the changelog is  * depend on libsvga1-dev only in i386.
[12:01] <ivoks> gtg
[12:02] <ivoks> see yo
[12:02] <ivoks> you
[12:03] <koke> hmmm, maybe gcc 4.0 problem
[12:17] <dholbach> hellas
[12:19] <dholbach> doko and i had a lovely chat some minutes ago and he advised us to make the c++ transition NOW :-)
[12:19] <dholbach> and upload them on tuesday
[12:19] <dholbach> how does that sound?
[12:25] <ogra> wow, great response :)
[12:25] <ajmitch_> sounds good to me
[12:28] <ajmitch_> hi chmj
[12:28] <doko> dholbach: short summary ... ;)
[12:29] <chmj> hi ajmitch_
[12:29] <ajmitch_> doko: just use the debs on your p.u.c repository to get g++ 4 as default then?
[12:29] <dholbach> doko: did i forget something? ;-)
[12:29] <doko> ajmitch_: yes
[12:29] <ajmitch_> ok :)
[12:30] <ajmitch_> so how long do we think it'll take? 2 weeks?
[12:30] <koke> hey I've just seen gwget in the NewPackages list
[12:30] <dholbach> noooo
[12:30] <koke> but we already have gwget2
[12:30] <dholbach> i will remove it
[12:31] <ajmitch_> hey koke :)
[12:32] <koke> dholbach: it seems it's the same stuff :)
[12:34] <dholbach> koke: updated
[12:34] <koke> great :D
[12:42] <dholbach> cleaned MOTUNewPackages a bit
[12:57] <\sh> doko: url to your repos?
[12:58] <doko> \sh, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[12:59] <Burgundavia> where is package request page again?
[01:01] <dholbach> UniverseCandidates
[01:02] <ivoks> hi
[01:02] <goofrider> weeeeeeeee
[01:03] <goofrider> dholbach, FYI i'm still reading manuals
[01:03] <goofrider> LOL
[01:03] <koke> dholbach: do you have a raw list of UniverseCXXTransition??
[01:03] <dholbach> good one
[01:03] <dholbach> koke: i didnt make that list, you should ask doko for that
[01:03] <janm> dholbach: hi, just wondering if you're interested for a ruby-gnome2 0.12ubuntu1 .diff.gz? I just rebuilt it here and seems that breezy doesn't have them yet?
[01:03] <koke> I want to script something to extract patches for bts
[01:04] <dholbach> janm: so you packaged a newer version? put it on MOTUToReview please
[01:04] <ivoks> omg! my bookmarks!
[01:04] <ivoks> all gone
[01:04] <ivoks> all settings are gone... oh, god, why?!
[01:05] <koke> doko: do you have something more "machine-readable" than the wiki page??
[01:05] <janm> dholbach: ok, will do. thanks..
[01:05] <ogra> ivoks, did you run ff as root ?
[01:05] <dholbach> janm: thank you
[01:05] <ivoks> ogra no
[01:05] <ogra> ran out of diskspace ?
[01:06] <ivoks> extensions are still here
[01:06] <ivoks> but bookmarks and extension settings are gone
[01:06] <goofrider> koke, like... punchcards?
[01:06] <ivoks> no, disk is fine
[01:06] <ivoks> cache and histroy gone is deleted too
[01:06] <ivoks> ah, well...
[01:07] <goofrider> ivoks, what happened?
[01:07] <ivoks> now i have to find that good porn sites again :)
[01:07] <ivoks> goofrider my box freezed while resuming after suspend
[01:07] <ivoks> that never happend before
[01:08] <ivoks> firefox wasn't running
[01:08] <goofrider> and it corrupted the FS?
[01:08] <goofrider> oh the humanity
[01:08] <koke> ivoks: try find ~/.mozilla -name bookmarks.html
[01:08] <ivoks> only one is there
[01:08] <ivoks> empty :(
[01:08] <koke> big pain then
[01:09] <ivoks> hm... wait
[01:09] <ivoks> there is on in .mozilla/default
[01:10] <ivoks> but that's not mine :(
[01:10] <goofrider> ivoks, u don't happen to use a separate partition for /home???
[01:10] <goofrider> cuz it might not be mounted
[01:10] <ivoks> lol
[01:10] <ivoks> it is mounted :)
[01:10] <ivoks> but, good one :)
[01:10] <doko> koke: get the source of the wiki page. that is machine readable. btw, for what do you need it?
[01:11] <ivoks> dholbach new wiki? :)
[01:11] <dholbach> new wiki?
[01:12] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages redesign :)
[01:12] <dholbach> yes... we clearly needed it :-)
[01:12] <schweeb> dholbach: !
[01:12] <schweeb> morning
[01:12] <ivoks> ok, i will fill out missing link for my package :)
[01:12] <ivoks> or fill in..
[01:13] <dholbach> hey schweeb, how's it going?
[01:13] <schweeb> good good
[01:13] <schweeb> haven't heard back from mako to hear if I have to sign the CoC again yet
[01:13] <dholbach> ecellent
[01:13] <schweeb> since I already signed it a while back
[01:14] <dholbach> hrhrmhrmhrm, he should have some auto-reply by now ;-)
[01:14] <schweeb> lol
[01:14] <dholbach> i'll be off to do some work on my thesis
[01:14] <dholbach> see you later
[01:14] <schweeb> later
[01:14] <koke> doko: <koke> I want to script something to extract patches from bts
[01:15] <koke> maybe apply them and just review packages :)
[01:16] <doko> koke: that's already done. do you know http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition ?
[01:17] <koke> doko: I mean extracting the real patches from the bug reports
[01:17] <koke> tryinig to auto-transition where possible
[01:18] <doko> koke: for what kind of packages?
[01:18] <koke> all on that list
[01:26] <ivoks> fsapo applications, system, bug report
[01:32] <ivoks> you are free to review wifi-radar :)
[01:54] <\sh> argl
[01:54] <\sh> everythings messing up here
[01:59] <ivoks> where?
[02:12] <\sh> in my company right now :)
[02:13] <pef> hello
[02:19] <pef> I want to fix a package which has in bugzilla "new changes from Debian require merging", how can I do ? Do I juste need to rebuild the changes file, to sign it, and to post that inhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToReview ? Am I right ?
[02:20] <\sh> guys u r really fast with the c++ stuff
[02:24] <koke> could anyone send me the source for the UniverseCXXTransition page??
[02:24] <koke> my firefox crashes when loading
[02:24] <koke> :(
[02:26] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CxxLibraryList
[02:26] <\sh> sorry
[02:28] <ivoks> \sh this all should be..what?
[02:28] <ivoks> converted to c++?
[02:28] <ivoks> or to gcc4.0?
[02:29] <\sh> ivoks: gcc4 and g++4 ;)
[02:29] <\sh> most of the things are g++4 related...
[02:29] <ivoks> lol
[02:29] <ogra> ivoks, havent you been around in the meeting ?
[02:29] <ivoks> ogra nope
[02:29] <\sh> ivoks: no joke
[02:29] <\sh> ogra: kdelibs4 doesn't need to be renamed, right?
[02:29] <ivoks> ogra i'm not MOTU
[02:30] <\sh> ivoks: so? i'm also no MOTU :)
[02:30] <ogra> ivoks, its all described here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCXXTransition
[02:30] <ogra> ivoks, but youre on your way, arent you ?
[02:31] <ivoks> well, i'm on my way to finish studying, but... :)
[02:32] <\sh> ivoks: what have studying to do with being a motu?
[02:32] <\sh> to be a motu it's an honour, to be a professor it's a profession ;)
[02:32] <\sh> *drugs*
[02:33] <ivoks> :))
[02:33] <\sh> ogra: greetings from peter
[02:33] <ivoks> well, i'll do what I can do..
[02:33] <ivoks> i don't have ppc and amd64
[02:33] <ogra> \sh, geetings back :-D
[02:34] <ogra> ivoks, thats what the buildds are for
[02:34] <ivoks> ok
[02:34] <ogra> if something fails on a specific arch, you find the error in the buildlog and upload again....
[02:36] <\sh> ogra: the update to hal and dbus the last days, are they required to have a clean run for gnome-power-manager?
[02:36] <ogra> yep
[02:36] <ogra> \sh, thats why i havent packaged it yet.... will be my first thing to do next week
[02:37] <ivoks> ok.. i'll start with 3ddesktop
[02:37] <ivoks> it looks easy :)
[02:37] <\sh> ogra: ah u answered my second question
[02:37] <ogra> \sh, which second question ?
[02:37] <\sh> ogra: well...i will have a quick look this evening in the source...to have an overview what has to be done for the kde stuff
[02:37] <ivoks> ogra can you explain buildd?
[02:38] <ogra> \sh, ah, ok
[02:38] <\sh> ogra: if gnome-power-manager is in the repos and already packaged :)
[02:39] <ogra> \sh, as i said, i'll do a package next week, should be in shape latest at wednesday (but likely earlier) if hal doesnt break heavily
[02:40] <\sh> ogra: yeah...i only need to have a clue whats inside ... so i'll use the original source. when u're finished with the package, i will see it :)
[02:40] <\sh> question is now, do we need to rename kdelibs4 or not
[02:42] <ogra> ivoks, the servers that build our packages.... we upload to the upload server, the build daemon picks up the source package (there is one active buildd for each arch at least) and tries to build it in a pbuilder environment if its done, it spits out a build log (newest at bottom): http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[02:42] <ogra> \sh, no idea about kdelibs, ask the kubuntu squad
[02:43] <ogra> but since everything related to c++ has to be renamed its likely...
[02:43] <ogra> (i heard there are some apps that depend on kdelibs)
[02:44] <ogra> \sh, have a deep look inside hal and dbus for the powermanager internals
[02:44] <\sh> ogra: yeah...
[02:44] <\sh> riddel: ping :)
[02:44] <ogra> missed one l
[02:45] <\sh> oh
[02:45] <\sh> uh
[02:45] <\sh> riddell: ping :)
[02:45] <ivoks> ogra this log is too red :)
[02:45] <ogra> ivoks, yeah, we are the guys with the blue color ;)
[02:45] <ivoks> so, I need to patch source and upload it?
[02:46] <\sh> ivoks: u r not able to upload neither am i..
[02:46] <ivoks> i understand that
[02:47] <\sh> ivoks: put the package on MOTUToReview and someone of the MOTUs like Ogra will take it and review it and upload it
[02:51] <\sh> huu
[02:51] <\sh> what is this?
[02:52] <\sh> TBC
[02:52] <\sh>   ExpandingUniverse
[02:52] <\sh>    dholbach
[02:52] <\sh>    ogra
[02:52] <\sh>    ajmitch, \sh?
[02:52] <\sh>    WIP
[02:52] <\sh> did I say yes to this?
[02:52] <ogra> \sh, you want to be a motu, you have no choice to say no ;)
[02:52] <ivoks> :))
[02:52] <ivoks> you are doomed
[02:52] <ogra> this list could contain all motus ;)
[02:52] <Mithrandir> the universe expands.  It's its nature!
[02:52] <ogra> yeah
[02:53] <\sh> ogra: hehee
[02:53] <\sh> ogra: what? only 4?
[02:53] <\sh> ogra: i was really tired at this time :) but anyways ... a pleasure to help :=
[02:53] <ogra> \sh, they are the SPOCs
[02:53] <\sh> SPOCs?
[02:53] <ogra> single point of contact
[02:54] <ogra> points rather
[02:54] <\sh> ok...
[02:54] <\sh> abbreviations
[02:55] <ivoks> \sh ok, point me a bit, could you? :)
[02:55] <ivoks> \sh i patched 3ddesktop, e.g
[02:55] <ivoks> \sh now i should bzip that and report it ir what?
[02:55] <ivoks> s/ir/or/
[02:56] <\sh> ah...transcript of cxxtransistion meeting somewhere?
[02:56] <\sh> anyways
[02:57] <\sh> if you pick up a package which u want to compile and fix for g++4
[02:57] <ivoks> :)
[02:58] <tseng|work> see you "tommorow" aj
[02:58] <ivoks> ajmitch_ night
[03:00] <\sh> sorry...no time to finish my sentence
[03:00] <\sh> work
[03:00] <ivoks> it's ok
[03:01] <ivoks> i'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[03:02] <tseng|work> ogra: can python do threading?
[03:03] <ogra> tseng|work, i think so...
[03:03] <ogra> http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/thread-objects.html
[03:03] <tseng|work> ok
[03:03] <tseng|work> i dont trust php to do forking/threading
[03:04] <ogra> uh, thats possible ?
[03:04] <tseng|work> sortof
[03:04] <ivoks> ok, i will have to check the documentation for this, and then I might help
[03:05] <ivoks> i have one cluster with 60 computers if that could help?
[03:05] <ivoks> all i386
[03:05] <ogra> heh, miguel d icaza has no clue where to put section numbers in manpages *grin*
[03:07] <ivoks> ok... see you guys
[03:07] <ivoks> and girls, if any
[03:25] <jabra> gmorning guys
[03:33] <Nafallo> jabra: morning
[03:33] <koke> bye
[04:19] <\sh> time to go home and do some work
[04:19] <\sh> laters
[04:44] <tseng|work> buh php
[04:44] <ogra> heh
[04:48] <tseng|work> so my choices are:
[04:48] <tseng|work> php || expect
[04:48] <tseng|work> no one else here even speaks bash
[05:06] <ogra> tseng|work, no chance for py ?
[05:07] <tseng|work> nope
[05:07] <tseng|work> i have to make my php script fork itself, which i refuse
[05:08] <tseng|work> or wrap it in an expect scrip that spawns X number at a time
[05:08] <tseng|work> and waits for eof
[05:08] <ogra> bah
[05:08] <ivoks> me, again
[05:08] <bradb> hey dudes
[05:08] <ogra> hey brad
[05:09] <ivoks> one more time ubuntu didn't wake up after suspend to ram :(
[05:09] <ivoks> now i lost .pan
[05:09] <bradb> i'm going to write up the MOTU report today after i've had a chance to get some code in a reviewer queue. what list(s) do you want me to send it to?
[05:09] <ivoks> something is going on...
[05:09] <bradb> (the Malone MOTU report that is :)
[05:09] <ogra> ubuntu-devel
[05:09] <ogra> is my best guess
[05:09] <zerokarmaleft> tseng|work, shouldn't libgecko-cil be built against mozilla-firefox instead of mozilla-browser?
[05:09] <bradb> ogra: ok
[05:09] <ogra> zerokarmaleft, my bad
[05:10] <zerokarmaleft> no worries
[05:10] <tseng|work> I want to get everything freaking built before we start worrying about smaller things like this
[05:10] <ogra> zerokarmaleft, but i'm currently more in basic cleanup tasks for mono, gtk-sharp nad gecko are on my list for tomorrow
[05:10] <tseng|work> ogra: is it safe for me to start uploading more de-/usr/share/dotnet and new upstream versions?
[05:11] <ogra> tseng|work, so teach miguel to write proper manpages... his are a mess...
[05:11] <ogra> tseng|work, new versions of what ?
[05:11] <tseng|work> f-spot, hopefully beagle soon
[05:12] <tseng|work> fix up muine
[05:12] <tseng|work> i *need* a new gecko-sharp 2
[05:12] <ogra> tseng|work, hmm, dunno if they work with the current gtk-sharp, its still not rebuild... but i guess it should work...
[05:12] <ogra> ...since cli-common definately works now
[05:12] <tseng|work> hm right
[05:13] <tseng|work> libgnome-cil needs dep fix first
[05:13] <ogra> yep
[05:13] <tseng|work> how much stuff did we add deps to before "freeze"
[05:13] <tseng|work> id like to undo that to not cause conflicts with debian
[05:14] <ogra> which freeze do you mean ?
[05:14] <ogra> heh
[05:14] <ogra> write a forward rule to ogra ;)
[05:14] <tseng|work> where I stopped uploading stuff when we realized what was broke
[05:14] <ogra> hmm, lets make a debdiff if its done...
[05:15] <ivoks> ogra can i take any package from the list or i should check for dependecys?
[05:15] <ogra> but i guess some of my fixes will be fine for debian...
[05:15] <ogra> ... i.e. the manpages i just fixed...
[05:15] <tseng|work> its friday, so it would be great if i could dive back in for the weekend
[05:15] <tseng|work> :)
[05:15] <ogra> i'll try to do the upload soon today
[05:16] <tseng|work> ogra++
[05:32] <\sh> re
[05:33] <ivoks> \sh
[05:33] <\sh> finally it's friday, 2 hours of rest will do, and then until Monday, 11:59pm pure hacking
[05:33] <ivoks> wb
[05:46] <danboid> Hi! I want to install transcode on Hoary- whats the easiest way?
[05:47] <danboid> Do I need to add breezy to sources.list?
[05:47] <danboid> what do i add?
[05:48] <ivoks> ubuntuguid.org
[05:48] <ivoks> ubuntuguide.org
[05:50] <danboid> no mention of transcode on that page
[05:53] <ivoks> ogra here... i patched one source and build a package... what's my next step?
[05:54] <ogra> ivoks, upload the source to a server and put a note and the url on MOTUToRewiew on the wiki
[05:54] <ivoks> ogra just to check if I did this right...
[05:55] <ivoks> ogra i downloaded debian source, got patch for amd64/gcc4, added patch to patches dir, build it, sign it, and that's it...
[05:56] <ogra> sounds good
[05:56] <ivoks> ok, review will tell :)
[05:57] <ogra> yep
[06:02] <ivoks> ogra sources we take from sid?
[06:03] <ogra> normally you take it from breezy... which currently should be identical to sid.... if its a merge you can safely take the sid package...
[06:03] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCxxTransition
[06:03] <ivoks> i follow links from there
[06:04] <ogra> ok
[06:18] <ivoks> this looks too easy... :)
[06:18] <ogra> heh, it is
[06:19] <ogra> but we can work out something to make it harder if youre not happy with it ;)
[06:19] <ivoks> i tought maybe i'm doing it wrong...
[06:19] <ivoks> no, no... this is ok :)
[06:19] <ogra> *g*
[06:19] <ivoks> i guess there are some packages that don't have patches?
[06:20] <ogra> sure... and there are packages that need quite a bit more work then just a recompile
[06:20] <ivoks> i guess
[06:21] <ivoks> well, for now, i'll do this stoopid part, recompiling :)
[06:21] <ogra> thats a good practice... it trains you to read the errors and warnings...
[06:22] <ivoks> does it? :)
[06:28] <ivoks> ok.. 6 apps in few minutes
[06:29] <ivoks> one more and then food :)
[06:29] <ogra> ivoks, erm, not the c++ apps please
[06:29] <ogra> we need the librarys first
[06:30] <ivoks> lol
[06:30] <ivoks> well, they wouldn't build if libs aren't there, right?
[06:31] <ivoks> ok... libs...
[06:31] <ogra> if the libs have changed they probably wont build anymore... so working on them now is pointless until all libs are updated
[06:32] <ivoks> well, ok
[06:32] <Nafallo> ogra: it's not time to start with the libs til monday if I get everything correctly?
[06:32] <Nafallo> s/get/got/
[06:32] <ogra> Nafallo, you can prepare source packages already...
[06:32] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, true.
[06:33] <ivoks> hm, food first :)
[06:33] <ivoks> one more thing...
[06:33] <ivoks> I'm using breezy's gcc4 is that ok?
[06:33] <Nafallo> hehe, and then I'll just do for i in *.dsc; do sudo xargs pbuilder build; done ;-)
[06:34] <ogra> ivoks, yes, thats exactly wha this transition is for ;)
[06:34] <ivoks> :) ok
[06:35] <Nafallo> hmm, that shouldn't work I just reminded myself :-P.
[06:35] <ogra> Nafallo, sudo pbuilder build *.dsc should work....
[06:35] <ogra> (in the right dir indeed)
[06:36] <ivoks> who's doko?! :) he took all patched packages :)
[06:37] <Nafallo> ogra: hmm, you have to build the new version before you get the *.dsc for it, right?
[06:37] <ogra> he leads the transition and built the gcc g++ packages for us
[06:37] <ogra> Nafallo, yep... but afterwards you can just assbuild in pbuilder
[06:37] <ogra> massbuild even
[06:38] <Nafallo> ogra: I build my packages with pdebuild so that I don't get lot's of -dev on my main system :-).
[06:38] <ogra> ah, ok
[06:39] <Lathiat> i wish pdebuild woudl drop the files out in the parent directory
[06:39] <Lathiat> i should alias that or something
[06:39] <Nafallo> Lathiat: what's wrong with ..?
[06:39] <Lathiat> well mine puts them in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[06:40] <Lathiat> its just a small annoyance :)
[06:40] <doko> Nafallo, it's good anyway, if someone reviews these packages. you can _really_ screw the system. best to submit a bug report in bugzilla and put someone (ogra, me) on the CC
[06:40] <doko> ivoks: you can take every package you patch yourself
[06:41] <Nafallo> Lathiat: hmm, mine does to I see now :-).
[06:44] <Nafallo> doko: I don't follow. when do I screw what system?
[06:44] <doko> Nafallo: breezy
[06:45] <Nafallo> doko: ooh, you mean that way. I see now. ofcourse ppl should review what I do. I'm not a MOTU (yet) :-).
[06:46] <Nafallo> and I'm new at both packaging and programming ;-)
[06:46] <doko> Nafallo: you now have a chance to learn packaging ;)
[06:46] <Nafallo> doko: that's why I'm here :-D
[06:47] <Lathiat> Another sucke... i mean hi welcome to the project
[06:52] <Nafallo> Lathiat: hehe ;)
[06:57] <ivoks> back...
[06:57] <ivoks> well, i'll try to patch one or two :)
[06:57] <ivoks> but i don't have ppc/amd64
[06:58] <Nafallo> ogra: say hi to my gothcat on #ubuntu-love ;-)
[07:02] <tseng|work> hi
[07:02] <Nafallo> hi tseng :-)
[07:05] <ogra> tseng|work, down to 2 lintian warnings with mono now... there is still a handful of stuff i'd like to sort before release, but after my current pbuilder testbuild finished i'll upload
[07:07] <tseng|work> ok awesome
[07:07] <tseng|work> thanks
[07:08] <tseng|work> minor cleanups can definately wait for things being building on all archs and working as expected imo
[07:08] <tseng|work> we have a few months to sort the rest :)
[07:09] <ogra> yep
[07:10] <lamont> ogra: small correction: the buildd's use sbuild, not pbuilder, and launchpad will replace the whole thing
[07:10] <ogra> lamont, ah, ok didnt know about sbuild...
[07:10] <tseng|work> lamont: launchpad is going to replace the world!
[07:11] <lamont> pretty much
[07:11] <lamont> although as it currently sits, he hasn't redone sbuild yet, he just drives sbuild completely differently
[07:11] <tseng|work> its all powered by the worlds largest crack pipe
[07:12] <tseng|work> electricity will be irrelevant after launchpad 1.0
[07:19] <herve> hi there!
[07:22] <ivoks> hi
[07:31] <ivoks> ok...
[07:32] <ivoks> could someone just ack that this is ok or wrong?
[07:32] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/libs/
[07:32] <ivoks> it would be pointless if I continue and this isn't ok
[07:34] <ivoks> ok, diff doesn't look good :)
[07:35] <tseng|work> can you point us to what parts you changed?
[07:35] <ogra> ivoks, we need the source package, not the binary
[07:35] <tseng|work> i dont have a system handy for debdiff
[07:35] <ivoks> ogra source is there as well
[07:35] <tseng|work> sortof..
[07:35] <ogra> ah, i see
[07:35] <tseng|work> you missed the orig.tar.gz
[07:35] <tseng|work> not nessecarily required, you can get it from archive or upstream
[07:35] <ivoks> but diff is broken
[07:35] <tseng|work> just alot faster if you include it
[07:36] <ivoks> i will fix it
[07:43] <ivoks> ogra here it is... but this diff looks strange to me..
[07:44] <ogra> ivoks, you did only do the changes yo described, right ?
[07:44] <ivoks> yes
[07:45] <ivoks> debian/control only and .preinst and .prerm
[07:45] <ivoks> .install :) not .pre* :)
[07:45] <ogra> then you should mention the preXX scripts too..
[07:45] <ogra> or thyt
[07:45] <ivoks> i renamed them
[07:45] <ogra> that
[07:45] <ivoks> nothing else
[07:46] <ogra> ah, ok
[07:48] <jabra> awesome just my tool on sourceforge
[07:48] <jabra> now I just need to fix up the .deb
[07:48] <ivoks> so... will it be good? :) i took libgnome-vfsmm-2.6-1 (by doko) for example...
[07:50] <ivoks> alejandro_ricove yes, there is, hit ctrl alt f1
[07:50] <ivoks> sorry for that :)
[07:51] <herve> ivoks, did you know debdiff ?
[07:51] <ivoks> no
[07:51] <herve> so you know what to do in the next minute ;-)
[07:52] <jabra> probably needs to do man debdiff
[07:52] <\sh> man debdiff for the awakening of a tired \s ;)
[07:53] <ogra> ivoks, i'm not quite sure why the eps content changed in your package, the rest looks good
[07:53] <ivoks> :)
[07:53] <herve> jabra, I don't feel obliged to tell people "rtfm" each time :-)
[07:53] <ivoks> ogra that funny to me too :(
[07:53] <\sh> hey herve nice to see u
[07:53] <herve> ogra, if the eps is generated for the binary package, I can understand it
[07:54] <ogra> ivoks, btw, thats a main package, not universe...
[07:55] <ogra> herve, yep, that would be it, but anyway, its main and i guess seb128 will care for it anyway
[07:55] <\sh> did somebody take care about kdelibs4 and kdebase? so i can start with the rest of kde-universe?
[07:55] <ivoks> ogra :) thanx :)
[07:55] <\sh> doko did a lot today
[07:55] <ivoks> omg!... main
[07:55] <herve> doko rules!
[07:55] <ivoks> useless work :)
[07:55] <herve> ivoks, certainly not!
[07:56] <herve> speaking of dia by the way
[07:56] <herve> I fixed it and ask ubuntu main developers for upload
[07:56] <ivoks> ok
[07:57] <herve> what do you fix, namely?
[07:57] <ivoks> me?
[07:57] <ivoks> what first comes under fingers :)
[07:58] <\sh> hmmm..
[07:59] <herve> so, who wants a package review?
[08:00] <herve> I'm in a good mood ;-)
[08:00] <ivoks> herve me :)
[08:00] <ivoks> herve http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[08:00] <ivoks> wifi-radar is name :)
[08:00] <jabra> well I will after I finish up some stuff
[08:01] <jabra> herve: I need write up a website for my tool
[08:01] <herve> ivoks, this means you fixed all linda and lintian warnings and swear you think your package is ready?
[08:01] <herve> jabra, just ping me when you're ready
[08:02] <jabra> herve: ok sorry
[08:02] <ivoks> herve there is no warnings.. it's a script :)
[08:02] <herve> no need
[08:02] <herve> ivoks, even about manpages? :-p
[08:02] <ivoks> herve manpages are from upstream :)
[08:02] <ivoks> and they are ok :)
[08:02] <ivoks> i stoled them from CVS :)
[08:03] <jabra> heh wow
[08:03] <herve> usual packager job!
[08:03] <ivoks> and leave out parts that aren't in this version
[08:03] <jabra> heh nice
[08:03] <ivoks> even changed /etc/conf.d/wifi-radar.conf to /etc/wifi-radar.conf
[08:03] <jabra> anyone package nvu yet?
[08:08] <herve> ivoks, you'll need to reword the synopsis (first line of description)
[08:09] <herve> it should be read as "wifi-radar is a [...] "
[08:09] <herve> so not repeating the name of the package
[08:09] <ivoks> ah, ok
[08:09] <ivoks> "Description: Python/PyGTK2  utility for managing WiFi profiles."?
[08:09] <herve> yes
[08:10] <herve> which brings me to the second point
[08:10] <ivoks> if that's only mistake... :)
[08:10] <herve> debian documentation is not keen on using technical terms when describing packages for the average user
[08:11] <ivoks> ok...
[08:11] <herve> knowing it's made in python and gtk it not really of concern for the average use
[08:11] <herve> r
[08:11] <ivoks> then utility :)
[08:11] <herve> I would see "graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles"
[08:12] <ivoks> ok, that's it then
[08:12] <herve> see the dash in Wi-Fi
[08:12] <herve> it's the official name
[08:12] <herve> and not period at end
[08:12] <ivoks> ?
[08:12] <ivoks> but WiFi isn't the name of package
[08:12] <herve> s/not/no
[08:12] <ivoks> WiFi is common name
[08:13] <herve> yes but Wi-Fi is the name of the technology :-)
[08:13] <ivoks> ok
[08:13] <jabra> ya I am def going to look over your package once the review is done
[08:14] <herve> extra space in the description but nothing harmful
[08:14] <ivoks> download that control file again :)
[08:15] <herve> your comment in readme.debian is a 213 character line!
[08:15] <herve> please cut at 78 or 80 lines :-)
[08:15] <ivoks> hahahaha
[08:15] <ivoks> ok
[08:16] <herve> strange you're using cflags for a shell script ;-)
[08:16] <ivoks> hehe
[08:16] <ivoks> that's from .ex :)
[08:17] <ivoks> and I don't use them..
[08:17] <herve> so you see what I mean
[08:17] <ivoks> they are just defined :)
[08:17] <herve> strange
[08:17] <herve> you're using debhelper features
[08:17] <herve> but create directories by hand
[08:17] <ivoks> :)
[08:17] <ivoks> how can I create them with debhelper?
[08:17] <ivoks> aaaa
[08:18] <ivoks> there should be file with dirs in it?
[08:18] <ivoks> wifi-radar.dirs?
[08:18] <herve> you're calling dh_installdirs
[08:18] <herve> and yes you have a dirs
[08:18] <herve> just dirs since you have a single binary package
[08:18] <herve> hmm no
[08:18] <herve> you're working in debian/<package name>
[08:18] <herve> not debian/tmp
[08:18] <herve> so wifi-radar.dirs
[08:19] <herve> but dholbach told you to create them by hand
[08:19] <ivoks> nope...
[08:19] <herve> I'll touch a word tohim
[08:19] <ivoks> I didn't know other way
[08:19] <herve> ha ok, confusing with someone else
[08:19] <ivoks> path should be relative?
[08:19] <ivoks> like usr/sbin
[08:20] <herve> yes
[08:20] <herve> there are debhelper calls you don't use
[08:20] <herve> but you could :-)
[08:21] <herve> you'll have to choose between using debhelper facility
[08:21] <herve> or preparing your package by hand
[08:21] <ivoks> debhelper
[08:21] <herve> you sure? :-)
[08:21] <ivoks> couse there will be other, not so easy packages
[08:21] <ivoks> ok, dirs are taken care of..
[08:21] <herve> ogra, debhelper or hand made for new packagers? :-)
[08:22] <ogra> debhelper
[08:22] <ivoks> come on... i want to learn it right way
[08:22] <ogra> but not cdbs
[08:22] <herve> ivoks, that's my question, what is the right way for a beginner
[08:22] <herve> ogra, ;-)
[08:22] <ogra> cdbs for the masses :)
[08:22] <herve> ivoks, so next step is using dh_installdocs
[08:22] <herve> in wifi-radar.docs
[08:23] <herve> you list the files to go into /usr/share/doc/wifi-radar
[08:23] <ivoks> oh, nice....
[08:23] <herve> and remember to add that directory to .dirs!
[08:23] <ivoks> i did
[08:23] <ivoks> well...
[08:23] <\sh> what the heck
[08:23] <herve> you don't need to use dh_installexamples
[08:23] <ivoks> there sould be like:
[08:24] <ivoks> TODO
[08:24] <\sh> what is doko doing?
[08:24] <ivoks> debian/README.debian?
[08:24] <herve> it seems there's not dh for configuration
[08:25] <herve> ivoks, yes
[08:25] <herve> \sh, what's on your mind?
[08:25] <herve> ivoks, and you could remove commented dh
[08:25] <ivoks> herve how do i gzip changelog?
[08:25] <ivoks> in build?
[08:25] <herve> ivoks, it's automatic
[08:25] <ivoks> ok
[08:26] <herve> changelogs and doc and gzipped if they are over a certain size
[08:26] <\sh> herve: I think he has no life ;) but anyways, taking kdelibs4
[08:26] <ivoks> ah, ok
[08:26] <herve> i'll probably find it in the debian policy
[08:26] <\sh> or trying to at least..lets find out
[08:26] <herve> \sh, fixing the overwriting file problem?
[08:26] <\sh> trying a private evaluation build first, before i'm ruine the wiki page
[08:27] <\sh> herve: cxxtrans
[08:27] <herve> ouch!
[08:27] <\sh> no risk no fun
[08:28] <\sh> well..I should build ser also for hoary, so i can test it on my root server
[08:28] <herve> ok, there really is something to check with configuration files
[08:28] <ivoks> herve thanx... ok, i uploaded changed files
[08:28] <herve> if they are not conffiles
[08:29] <herve> already? :-)
[08:29] <\sh> herve: where?
[08:29] <ivoks> yes
[08:29] <ivoks> take a look :)
[08:29] <herve> \sh, speaking to ivoks !
[08:30] <herve> ivoks, I'm looking at the policy for configuration files
[08:30] <ivoks> one more thing i have to re-bookmark
[08:31] <\sh> ivoks: what's the problem?
[08:31] <ivoks> i lost my .mozilla dir
[08:31] <ivoks> :(
[08:31] <ivoks> brb
[08:35] <ivoks> back
[08:38] <herve> out of battery :(
[08:39] <herve> ivoks, can you give me the url again?
[08:40] <ivoks> www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[08:41] <herve> debian/rules looks great!
[08:42] <ivoks> thanks :)
[08:42] <ivoks> but...?
[08:42] <herve> :-)
[08:42] <ivoks> :)
[08:43] <herve> haven't compiled it yet
[08:43] <ivoks> ah, ok :)
[08:43] <ivoks> On a 56kb/sec standard dial-up modem connection, it will take you only 44.3 days to download!
[08:44] <ivoks> dholbach
[08:44] <herve> daniel!
[08:44] <ivoks> hello
[08:44] <dholbach> hey! :-)
[08:44] <ogra> dholbach@mvo's inn ?
[08:45] <herve> ivoks, I looked at the python source code and... *fear*
[08:45] <dholbach> ogra: exactly
[08:45] <ogra> heh
[08:45] <\sh> hehee
[08:45] <\sh> dortmund meets bochum at bermudadreieck
[08:45] <ivoks> ah...
[08:45] <herve> dholbach, drinking beers?
[08:46] <dholbach> not yet :-)
[08:46] <\sh> dortmund's lost, bochum drinks fiege pils, 0:1
[08:46] <dholbach> wow... doko and chjm are doing the C++ transition alone
[08:46] <ivoks> that's not true
[08:46] <dholbach> \sh: mvo and i won't
[08:46] <\sh> dholbach: doko is going mad ;)
[08:46] <ivoks> i did one package :)
[08:46] <\sh> dholbach: right, mvo is dortmunder as well :) just like me
[08:47] <ivoks> borussia?
[08:47] <dholbach> ivoks: you're well informed
[08:48] <ivoks> dholbach they were my fav when they won champions leauge
[08:48] <jabra> horrah it is up
[08:48] <\sh> ivoks: long time ago ;)
[08:48] <ivoks> \sh well true
[08:48] <ivoks> \sh even longer when my "first love" won that cup...
[08:48] <\sh> it was the time, when I was living still in dortmund ;)
[08:48] <ivoks> :))
[08:49] <\sh> those fans were puking directly in front of my housedoor
[08:49] <ivoks> borussia has great fans..
[08:49] <ivoks> allways faithful
[08:50] <ivoks> herve that bad? :)
[08:50] <\sh> dholbach: he doesn't know the borsigplatz i think ;)
[08:50] <herve> ivoks, compiling, then I'll try the application
[08:50] <ivoks> ah, ok
[08:50] <ogra> ivoks, surem they have no choice,they all bought borussia stocks
[08:50] <ivoks> ogra :))
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: hahaha true
[08:50] <ivoks> \sh i don't... i'm not from germany
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: and just like those fools buying telekom stocks they lost everything ;)
[08:51] <ivoks> but i do remember those 3:0 in france :)
[08:51] <jabra> germany is very beutiful
[08:51] <ogra> \sh, yep
[08:51] <\sh> miners doesn't know anything about stock markets ;)
[08:51] <\sh> s/doesn't/don't/
[08:51] <herve> ivoks, lintian warnings and an error....
[08:52] <ivoks> '98. france... big germany against where-the-f**-is-croatia
[08:52] <ivoks> herve ?
[08:52] <herve> as I tell you!
[08:52] <ivoks> how do i find that errors and warnings?
[08:52] <herve> install linda and lintian :-)
[08:52] <\sh> ivoks: lintian <deb package>
[08:53] <ivoks> there should be one meta package debian-development
[08:53] <herve> no
[08:53] <\sh> copy past the warning/error without filename, and grep "<warning/error>" /usr/share/linitian/checks/*.desc
[08:53] <herve> because there's not one way do to it
[08:53] <ivoks> sounds like perl :)
[08:53] <herve> it's written in perl ;-)
[08:53] <\sh> badly
[08:54] <ivoks> omg... binary without manpage
[08:54] <ivoks> np
[08:54] <\sh> hehehe...
[08:54] <ivoks> i will remove that shell
[08:54] <ivoks> it's useless
[08:54] <\sh> making coffee
[08:55] <ivoks>  python-script-but-no-python-dep? am I missing something? it depends on python-gtk2
[08:55] <ivoks> isn't that enough?
[08:55] <herve> \sh, one for me please
[08:55] <herve> :-)
[08:55] <ivoks> :)
[08:55] <herve> it's a warning
[08:56] <ivoks> that's an error
[08:56] <herve> but I understand your logic, python-gtk2 brings python
[08:56] <herve> I have the same
[08:56] <ivoks> yes
[08:56] <herve> argh
[08:56] <ivoks> ok... everything is easy to fix
[08:56] <herve> then add a python dep
[08:57] <herve> I tried wifi-radar a bit
[08:57] <ivoks> and?
[08:57] <herve> how to say...
[08:57] <ivoks> sucks? :)
[08:57] <herve> it's young :-)
[08:58] <ivoks> yes, it is...
[08:58] <ivoks> next version will have new stuff
[08:58] <herve> but I didn't find the radar :-)
[08:58] <herve> and new bugs ;-)
[08:58] <ivoks> heh
[08:59] <ivoks> ok, here it is... without W and E :)
[08:59] <herve> it's sad to say
[08:59] <herve> but
[08:59] <ivoks> but what?
[08:59] <herve> I have no further critic to formulate then :-)
[08:59] <ivoks> hahaha
[09:00] <ivoks> ups... but I do :)
[09:00] <ivoks> it creates /usr/bin
[09:00] <ivoks> and nothing in it :)
[09:01] <herve> ho
[09:01] <herve> ho ho ho
[09:01] <herve> so you mean you have a user application in usr/sbin?
[09:01] <ivoks> it was..
[09:01] <ivoks> that wifi-radar.sh
[09:01] <ivoks> i removed it
[09:01] <herve> ha ok
[09:01] <herve> I remembered the opposite
[09:01] <herve> so good, I would sign it
[09:02] <ivoks> thanx :)
[09:02] <ivoks> man, one script...
[09:02] <ivoks> and i created package whole week :)
[09:02] <ivoks> how sad is that? :)
[09:02] <herve> no, it took *only* a week -:)
[09:03] <ivoks> heh, you can put it that way too
[09:03] <ivoks> well, I did added some new stuff, stuff that upstream doesn't have
[09:04] <ivoks> man pages, .desktop entry and changed configuration
[09:04] <herve> heh, you're a maintainer, you have duties :)-
[09:04] <ivoks> well... i like this package
[09:05] <ivoks> wifi-radar is much more faster and easier to use then network-admin
[09:05] <herve> the gnome system tool?
[09:06] <ivoks> yes
[09:06] <ivoks> every time i have to reconfigure profile
[09:06] <herve> and it fscks up my routes
[09:06] <ivoks> that too
[09:06] <ivoks> and lot of people allready d/w wifi-radar from my page
[09:07] <herve> without counting the xxx times your reviewers downloaded it? :)-
[09:07] <ivoks> :))
[09:08] <ivoks> and i learned a lot... finally can do some packaging
[09:09] <jabra> getwifi is easier than wifi-radar
[09:09] <ivoks> jabra i agree
[09:10] <ivoks> but newbies want GUI
[09:10] <jabra> ivoks: have you tried my tool?
[09:10] <ivoks> nope
[09:10] <jabra> give it a try and let me know
[09:10] <jabra> the reason I developed getwifi
[09:11] <jabra> I saw a need for a tool that would do this sort of thing. starting working on it in bash. Saw there were tools out there that did similar things
[09:11] <jabra> howerver wireless should be able to be configured on a box without X
[09:11] <ivoks> jabra i tried but it had broken deps :)
[09:11] <jabra> thus the reason it is a shell script
[09:11] <jabra> the package did
[09:11] <ivoks> yes
[09:11] <jabra> but I am working on those
[09:11] <jabra> the .tar.gz is fine
[09:11] <jabra> ya I missed wireless
[09:11] <jabra> heh
[09:12] <ivoks> ok, give me url
[09:12] <jabra> ivoks: give it a try if you want I would love some feedback
[09:12] <jabra> umm it is on sourceforge
[09:12] <herve> jabra, I don't think users of boxes without X are looking for a easy to use graphical app, anyway :-)
[09:12] <jabra> but the website isn't up yet
[09:12] <ivoks> :)
[09:12] <jabra> herve: right
[09:12] <jabra> but they would want something to handle joingin wireless networks
[09:12] <jabra> whihc is what getwifi does
[09:13] <ivoks> http://getwifi.sourceforge.net/ - wow, classy :)
[09:13] <herve> question: are bugs from packages not in ubuntu are supposed to be recorded in malone?
[09:13] <jabra> I am uploading it
[09:13] <herve> or ubuntu list of bugs at least
[09:13] <jabra> ivoks: I am writting that page now
[09:13] <jabra> check the sourceforge site and download section
[09:13] <ivoks> jabra ok, dcc source to me
[09:13] <herve> jabra, my point is that they configure a server once for all, so they use a proper setup once for all
[09:14] <jabra> herve: ok for review they will be for now http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/ubuntu.html
[09:15] <jabra> but that is until I finish up this initial work
[09:15] <jabra> ivoks: ok
[09:15] <herve> jabra, I'm afraid you'll have to remind me the url each time I have to review it :)-
[09:15] <jamessan|work> jabra: you're currently going to NU?
[09:15] <jabra> yea
[09:15] <jamessan|work> nice. I graduated from there last year
[09:16] <jabra> nice
[09:16] <jabra> ya I am currently a sophomore
[09:16] <jabra> admin of the linux project
[09:16] <jabra> ivoks: http://osdn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/getwifi/getwifi-0.1.4.tar.gz
[09:16] <jamessan|work> cool beans
[09:16] <jabra> ya
[09:16] <ivoks> hm
[09:16] <jabra> herve: don't need to review it yet
[09:16] <ivoks> everything passed and nothing happend
[09:16] <jamessan|work> small world and all that jazz  :)
[09:17] <jabra> herve: I have changes I need to make first I don't want you to waste time until things are inplace
[09:17] <ivoks> ah.. config
[09:17] <jabra> ya
[09:17] <herve> good thing :-)
[09:17] <jabra> heh
[09:17] <jabra> it checks for deps
[09:17] <ivoks> jabra advice: call config getwifi.conf, not config
[09:17] <jabra> ok
[09:17] <jabra> done
[09:17] <jabra> that makes sense
[09:18] <herve> \sh, you remember tagtool?
[09:18] <jamessan|work> ooh, pork patches
[09:18] <ivoks> jabra i can't test it now, i'm allready on wifi online
[09:18] <jabra> jamessan|work: ya some of those patches are down
[09:18] <jabra> since my server isn't up yet
[09:19] <jabra> jamessan|work: I need to reinstall it tonight or tomorrow
[09:19] <herve> whoo!
[09:19] <schweeb> yay
[09:19] <jabra> I will have time since I just broke up with my gf of 3.5 years
[09:19] <ivoks> how fine day i had...
[09:19] <ivoks> i did some work on cxx transition (mostly useless) and my first package is signed :)
[09:20] <jamessan|work> jabra: do you have a list of things you plan on adding? I may be interested in helping (if I have time)
[09:20] <\sh> ok...kdelibs4 needs to be renamed
[09:20] <ivoks> kdelibs4-c2?
[09:20] <herve> \sh, do you remember about tagtool?
[09:20] <jabra> jamessan|work: well I had a list then I finsiedh almost all of it
[09:20] <herve> \sh, kdelibs4-crack?
[09:20] <\sh> herve: yes
[09:20] <jabra> jamessan|work: I will post something on the site http://getwifi.sourceforge.net tonight
[09:20] <\sh> i saw the error
[09:20] <\sh> and bug report
[09:21] <jamessan|work> cool
[09:21] <jabra> jamessan|work: I plan on adding wpa and reworking the handling of args to use getopt
[09:21] <herve> \sh, yes what? :-) did you test tagtool a bit?
[09:21] <jabra> jamessan|work: I would definalty appreciate help
[09:21] <\sh> herve: i started it :) i don't know what to do with it in the end,...never mind, i'll fix it
[09:21] <jamessan|work> jabra: I was referring to pork-veggie, but getwifi may be of interest, too.  I'll take a look when I get back from NY on Sunday
[09:22] <jabra> jamessan|work: I acutally got the idea from colin a sys admin at neu. WHo is the windows admin. He said you know linux does have a good wireless tool to join networks in precedence
[09:22] <\sh> at least, i only changed the .desktop ;)
[09:22] <jabra> jamessan|work: awesome
[09:22] <jabra> jamessan|work: ya the pork guy isn't that great. He doesn't document his code
[09:22] <jamessan|work> I'd have to get a linux on my laptop first, though
[09:22] <jamessan|work> jabra: heh, yeah, I noticed that last time I took a look
[09:22] <jabra> jamessan|work: and he wouldn't accept patches with comments
[09:22] <herve> \sh, I am currently, just wondering for how long the package was crap
[09:22] <jamessan|work> oh
[09:23] <jamessan|work> weird
[09:23] <jabra> jamessan|work: that is why my friend and I sorta gave up on pork
[09:23] <jabra> ya he said it bloted the code or something
[09:23] <\sh> herve: before i touched it i guess
[09:23] <\sh> herve: if it ever worked
[09:23] <herve> \sh, the debian package works perfectly
[09:23] <jabra> I dunno he is useless to have code decently complex and no docs trying to figure out all the changes he makes etc makes me wanta brach it or something
[09:23] <\sh> the error messages are telling me something else
[09:24] <herve> gtk/glade api breake?
[09:24] <jabra> ok I shut up now
[09:24] <herve> s/breake/breakage
[09:24] <ivoks> herve is it ok to build a package from CVS?
[09:24] <jamessan|work> jabra: might not be a bad idea if enough patches are made.  anyway, I'm heading off for the weekend.  I'll let talk to you later
[09:25] <herve> ivoks, if you use the appropriate version scheme and don't run your users into trouble, yes
[09:25] <ivoks> ok
[09:25] <\sh> herve: let me have a look at the source...
[09:26] <jabra> jamessan|work: awesome
[09:26] <\sh> herve: looks like
[09:26] <\sh> hoary works wine
[09:26] <\sh> hmm fine
[09:26] <jabra> mmmmm wine
[09:27] <ivoks> any ideas what could be done with firefox?
[09:28] <ivoks> firefox raises one question... if upstream releases only-security-fix release, should we backport diff or just implement new release?
[09:28] <\sh> herve: i will rebuild it
[09:28] <ivoks> in the end, it is the same... but in firefox example, we see how that could be a problem
[09:29] <\sh> ivoks: the right thing is backport
[09:29] <ivoks> \sh yeah, but look at firefox now
[09:29] <\sh> the best thing is new release without breaking anything else
[09:29] <\sh> ivoks: i know
[09:29] <ivoks> and i lost my .mozilla dir
[09:29] <ivoks> and now, i can't get extensions :)
[09:29] <\sh> ivoks: but this is a problem from our side...they put everything in from 1.0.3 etc. and patched it against 1.0.2
[09:30] <\sh> take the source, change the version in the firefox source to 1.0.4 or 1.0.3 and it's fine
[09:30] <ivoks> \sh i know
[09:30] <ivoks> \sh as i said... we all run firefox 1.0.4, just users don't know that
[09:30] <ivoks> neither does firefox :)
[09:30] <\sh> i run 1.0.2 :)
[09:30] <\sh> i didn't update ;)
[09:31] <\sh> herve: breakage of glade/gtk2 stuff...
[09:31] <\sh> herve: i think in the support libs for gtk2 for the default dialogs etc.
[09:31] <spacey> will that firefox gnome theme be back?
[09:31] <\sh> and in glade itself :(
[09:32] <ivoks> spacey what theme?
[09:32] <spacey> well at one point in hoary it had gnome icons and stuff
[09:32] <ivoks> spacey sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[09:33] <spacey> i already have that package
[09:33] <ivoks> well... that's the "theme"
[09:33] <spacey> hm
[09:34] <ivoks> omg.. flying ants :)
[09:34] <herve> \sh, so auto* regenerating is not eought?
[09:34] <herve> enough
[09:35] <ivoks> well... bye guys
[09:35] <herve> bye
[09:35] <ivoks> enough for me today...
[09:35] <ivoks> thanks herve
[09:35] <ivoks> thanks ogra
[09:35] <ivoks> thanks \sh
[09:35] <ivoks> and dholbach, ofcourse :)
[09:36] <herve> spacey, didn't even noticed it disappeared!
[09:37] <spacey> :)
[09:38] <\sh> herve: lets see...first of all, lets check if theres a pitfall between libglade2 gcc4 and glade_xml_signal_autoconnect
[09:40] <herve> I must rely on your judgement here
[09:43] <\sh> herve: well...a shot in the dark for me
[09:43] <\sh> i don't know more then you :)
[09:44] <\sh> wow
[09:44] <herve> argh
[09:44] <\sh> after running autogen.sh it throws errors
[09:44] <herve> I just discovered "glade" is the old gtk1.2 app
[09:44] <\sh> can't find gtk.h
[09:44] <\sh> it's using libglade2
[09:44] <herve> you have the build-dep?
[09:45] <\sh> yep
[09:47] <dholbach> which package of ivoks got signed?
[09:47] <herve> did someone say we have firefox 1.0.4 without knowing it?
[09:47] <\sh> herve: yes
[09:47] <herve> because mozilla.org won't let me using updates.mozilla.org...
[09:47] <herve> dholbach, wifi-radar
[09:47] <\sh> thats the thing
[09:48] <\sh> herve: backported all patches between 1.0.2 and 1.0.4 but with 1.0.2 version string in it
[09:48] <\sh> herve: not only the security related patches
[09:48] <dholbach> hrm, its not on the wiki page, is it?
[09:48] <herve> backporting the whole diff of changes? why not a new release then? :-)
[09:48] <dholbach> the comment
[09:48] <herve> dholbach, just a verbal "would"
[09:49] <dholbach> i see
[09:49] <dholbach> ok
[09:49] <dholbach> :-)
[09:49] <herve> he will alter it again
[09:49] <herve> so he would break my signature :-)
[09:50] <\sh> *grmpf*
[09:50] <\sh> i don't get it
[09:51] <herve> time for chocolate!
[09:51] <\sh> herve: do me a favour?
[09:52] <herve> \sh, sure
[09:52] <\sh> herve: u have the source of tagtool...all build deps etc.
[09:52] <\sh> herve: make -f debian/rules clean (inside the sourcedir)
[09:52] <herve> yep
[09:53] <herve> I use fakeroot ./debian/rules :-)
[09:53] <\sh> then "dpatch-edit-patch 02-trial.dpatch 01-tagtool.desktop"
[09:53] <\sh> and "./autogen.sh" after that
[09:53] <\sh> ctrl+d  and do a debuild
[09:53] <\sh> I'm really concerned about my chroot
[09:54] <herve> they are talking about moms in #u-d
[09:54] <herve> seems so strange when you just arrived :-)
[09:55] <herve> \sh, same crap
[09:55] <\sh> herve: compiled?
[09:55] <\sh> i get errors
[09:55] <\sh> ah adjust the 00list ;) in patches
[09:55] <herve> compiled
[09:55] <herve> but same behaviour
[09:55] <herve> erm
[09:57] <herve> okay
[09:57] <herve> lots of gtk functions errors
[09:57] <\sh> yepp
[09:57] <\sh> gtk.h not found
[09:57] <\sh> gdkbla.h not found
[09:58] <\sh> ok.my chroot is ok
[09:58] <\sh> but why is it compiling without autogen ;)
[09:58] <herve> header files renamed between gnome 2.8 and 2.10?
[09:58] <herve> or their equivalent gtk version
[10:01] <\sh> no configure should complain first
[10:02] <herve> this reminds me the crap of gcompris
[10:02] <herve> dholbach, do you remember? :-)
[10:03] <herve> well, enough of packaging for tonight
[10:03] <herve> let's rest
[10:05] <\sh> night herve :) and thx :)
[10:07] <\sh> I'll go to bed as well...so I'm relaxed for today :)
[10:07] <herve> I stay
[10:07] <herve> just put my brain on idle
[10:08] <\sh> i can't anymore...tried to stay awake but this won't work...tomorrow is a new day...food and drinks shopping, hacking :)
[10:08] <\sh> night all
[10:09] <herve> nighty night!
[10:10] <herve> hi mr rimbert :-)
[10:10] <mrimbert> Hi Herve :)
[10:14] <tritium> herve: how are you doing?
[10:14] <herve> fine!
[10:15] <herve> I can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel my project at work is
[10:15] <herve> and being in good shapre
[10:15] <herve> shape
[10:18] <dholbach> herve: yes :-)
[10:18] <dholbach> lamont_r: \sh
[10:18] <lamont_r> ah, ok
[10:18] <jabra> dholbach: greetings
[10:19] <dholbach> hi jabra
[10:19] <herve> \sh... which just left :-)
[10:20] <tritium> herve, that's great!  Okay, I've got to go.  See you guys around :)
[10:21] <herve> ++
[10:31] <herve> good, a DD wanting to help the c++ transition :-)
[10:33] <jabra> talk to you guys later
[10:33] <jabra> I will have getwifi ready sometime this weekend
[10:34] <jabra> herve: I will let you know
[10:34] <herve> jabra,
[10:34] <herve> remember
[10:34] <herve> if you ask me, you really think your package is clean and ready
[10:36] <jabra> right
[10:36] <jabra> that is why I will wait cause dholbach requests changes and I wanta make those first
[10:36] <jabra> /s/requests/requested
[10:37] <herve> and given that I'm a nightmare compared to dholbach's reviews ;-)
[10:38] <jabra> k, I will let you know when I have something for you
[10:38] <herve> sure
[10:38] <herve> you know where to find me :-)
[10:38] <jabra> on the interweb?
[10:38] <herve> the world is small!
[10:43] <tseng|work> bye
[10:43] <herve> bye tseng
[10:44] <ivoks> let's do some packaging :)
[10:45] <herve> malone task?
[10:46] <ivoks> malone? no cxx transition
[10:46] <herve> good too
[10:46] <ivoks> i know
[10:46] <ivoks> this time, i will not repackage package from main :)
[10:46] <herve> ;-)
[10:47] <herve> I'll be eager to sponsor your uploads
[10:47] <herve> see you until then
[10:47] <herve> night all
[10:53] <jabra> ivoks: did you try getwifi?
[10:57] <ivoks> no :)
[10:58] <ivoks> tomorrow, ok?
[11:00] <jabra> that's cool send me an email with your thoughts
[11:00] <jabra> getwifi.sourceforge.net
[11:00] <ivoks> sure
[11:32] <ivoks> i'm tierd... going to bed
[11:33] <ivoks> bye
[11:56] <tseng> ogra: ping