[12:00] <zxc_> is Wine availible for AMD64?
[12:00] <dataw0lf|w> type 'mount'
[12:00] <garnertr> ok, did that got back a screen full of data
[12:00] <garnertr> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:00] <garnertr> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[12:00] <garnertr> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[12:00] <garnertr> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[12:00] <garnertr> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[12:00] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lf|w: wow are you agreein with me?
[12:00] <garnertr> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[12:00] <garnertr> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[12:01] <dataw0lf|w> garnertr: do a less /etc/fstab
[12:01] <garnertr> my bad... wait one...
[12:01] <garnertr> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[12:01] <garnertr> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:01] <garnertr> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:01] <garnertr> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:02] <garnertr> I have a DVD R/RW drive
[12:03] <dataw0lf|w> garnertr: no cd?
[12:03] <dataw0lf|w> just that one media drive?
[12:03] <dataw0lf|w> hello
[12:03] <garnertr> its dual - DVD R/RW and CD ROM rewritable
[12:03] <dataw0lf|w> right, but only one drive.
[12:03] <dataw0lf|w> correct?
[12:03] <garnertr> or I should say its both only one drive... sorry
[12:03] <dataw0lf|w> ok, do a mount /dev/hdc
[12:04] <garnertr> mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[12:04] <garnertr> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[12:04] <garnertr>        missing codepage or other error
[12:04] <garnertr>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:04] <garnertr>        dmesg | tail  or so
[12:05] <dataw0lf|w> do what it says.  dmesg | tail -5
[12:05] <jaask> sry for the newbie Q: when installing with virtual disks, I dont need any separate partition for the install..?
[12:05] <garnertr> hdc: status error: status=0x00 { }
[12:05] <garnertr> hdc: status error: error=0x00
[12:05] <garnertr> hdc: status error: status=0x00 { }
[12:05] <garnertr> hdc: status error: error=0x00
[12:05] <garnertr> hdc: ATAPI reset complete
[12:06] <thread> SPAM SPAM SCROLLScROLL
[12:06] <thread> garnertr: check yoselv
[12:06] <garnertr> say again?
[12:06] <melodie> hello! do someone know if any apt authentication exists for Universe and Multiverse repositories, plse ?
[12:06] <garnertr> ohhh I see, I'm flooding the room... my bust... been a long time since i've been in a chat setting... sorry
[12:07] <sjohnson> hey dudes, i changed from reiserfs to ext3, but i STILL can't get uid to work
[12:07] <IIIEars> It is SPAM - but, it is teaching
[12:07] <sjohnson> or some way of only allowing sjohnson to mount this partition
[12:07] <sjohnson> how come something so easy is so hard?!
[12:07] <dataw0lf|w> garnertr: Vaio laptop?
[12:07] <melodie> do apt authentication exists for Universe and Multiverse ? :)
[12:07] <garnertr> negative, I have an Alienware  Area 51m Sentia, CPU 1700-MHZ P4 laptop
[12:08] <dataw0lf|w> garnertr: what media do you have in that drive right now?
[12:08] <garnertr> at this moment I have a muic cd in the drive
[12:08] <garnertr> not burned, comercial
[12:08] <sjohnson> EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value
[12:08] <sjohnson> EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "owner=sjohnson" or missing value
[12:09] <corvix> hey!
[12:09] <dataw0lf|w> try exchanging it with something else real quick for me, for the helluva it.
[12:09] <dataw0lf|w> then run a mount /media/cdrom0
[12:09] <melodie> garnertr: just clean your drive :)
[12:09] <trandom> anyone know how i go about accessing an NTFS partition from ubuntu??
[12:09] <melodie> you can use a cleaning CD
[12:09] <GeInK> ciao
[12:09] <corvix> @ntfs
[12:09] <corvix> my fstab line:
[12:09] <GeInK> c un canale italia?
[12:09] <goldfish> trandom: www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:10] <trandom> goldfish: cheers, is there not a quick command??
[12:10] <melodie> GeInK: inglese  ;)
[12:10] <IIIEars> I wonder if there isn't an app to do IRC text translation.
[12:10] <goldfish> trandom: yep, its on there :)
[12:10] <GeInK> there is a ubuntu channel for italy?
[12:10] <goldfish> IIIEars: there is
[12:10] <dataw0lf|w> IIIIEars: that would be quite hard.
[12:10] <corvix> actually i lost my fsta ntfs line at the moment ;-)
[12:10] <trandom> goldfish: cheers for that m8y :P
[12:10] <Fator_Dee> GeInK: try #ubuntu-it
[12:10] <GeInK> thx
[12:11] <goldfish> IIIEars: there are some scripts for it
[12:11] <melodie> I repeat, incase....
[12:11] <goldfish> for certain languages
[12:11] <melodie> do apt authentication exists for Universe and Multiverse ? :)
[12:11] <corvix> ti forgot i was installing a new system ... ;-) managed to to a dd if=/dev/null /dev/... on the wrong disk ;-)
[12:11] <IIIEars> goldfish - do you remember what it was called?
[12:11] <goldfish> IIIEars: well, there are some on irrsi.org
[12:11] <goldfish> for irssi
[12:11] <goldfish> IIIEars: google knows :)
[12:11] <Fator_Dee> corvix: ouch :-\
[12:11] <corvix> indeed ...
[12:11] <IIIEars> goldfish - Great! - brb
[12:11] <melodie> hum  :)
[12:12] <corvix> actually i was preparing an old 20gig for a friend ... doing dd /dev/null ... but accidentially got wrong disk ... after a sek it was to late
[12:12] <garnertr> I swapped the music cd for a movie dvd, the icon on the desktop changed to DVD-ROM DISC.  Totem and it crapped out; I did zine said it couldn't find media; and VLC did nothing; going to try to remount again
[12:12] <dataw0lf|w> mount /media/cdrom0 garnertr
[12:13] <garnertr> came back w/ the same previous block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only and then the next line was wrong fs type, bad option, etc..
[12:13] <dataw0lf|w> **Newbie Bash Tip of the Day: Use Tab Completion!**
[12:13] <Fator_Dee> corvix: hope you learned to be more carefull next time :-/
[12:14] <dataw0lf|w> Ugh, stupid script.
[12:14] <jaask> sry for the newbie Q: when installing with virtual disks, I dont need any separate partition for the install..?
[12:14] <garnertr> I know the drive works, b/c it worked fine under windows..for both music and video
[12:14] <dataw0lf|w> garnertr: well, if you're on in 30 minutes, I'll help you a bit more, I need to leave work now, though.
[12:14] <garnertr> I'll be lingering, thanks for your assistance!
[12:14] <GhostFreeman> why are the preview images in the Themes menu replaced with question marks
[12:15] <GhostFreeman> and how do I go about fixing this?
[12:15] <tga> what's the debian way of building a kernel module like qce-source?
[12:15] <melodie> garnertr: have you ever cleaned the lens of your drive ? if not, you can do it.
[12:15] <_nate> I have a P4 with HT, shouldn't I be using the 686-smp core, not 386?
[12:16] <rupert_> I'd be really grateful if someone could give me a hand: I broke gnome last night somehow by upgrading one of the gnome-* packages. My .xsession-errors file just says 'Failed to execute message bus daemon: No such file or directory". Anyone know what I've done?
[12:16] <keffo> hm, i need to cut a .AVI file into 2 parts.. how to do this?
[12:16] <rupert_> (So I can't log in unless under failsafe)
[12:16] <rupert_> keffo, mplayer will do it.
[12:17] <crimsun> rupert_: which ubuntu are you running?
[12:17] <keffo> ok, for real?
[12:17] <garnertr> Melodie, not since I purchased the computer, its less than a year old... I guess I could clean it, but I don't see the point since it worked fine under Windows, before I wiped it and installed Linux... :)
[12:18] <keffo> well, cant use mplayer
[12:18] <keffo> since it sux..
[12:18] <rupert_> crimsun, Hoary mainly, but I changed the repository -> breezy, but I only upgrade a couple of packages at a time - capped connection - and I assumed that it wouldn't break everything...
[12:18] <crimsun> rupert_: everything in Breezy is in flux currently
[12:18] <melodie> garnertr: cause Spring has come, with pollen and dust in the aire
[12:18] <crimsun> rupert_: (see the topic)
[12:18] <melodie> air
[12:18] <rupert_> crimsun, Oh great. Oops.
[12:18] <melodie> and I tell you with my unfortunate experience
[12:19] <crimsun> rupert_: don't worry, it's about to get a -lot- more hairy next week :)
[12:19] <melodie> that was up to
[12:19] <melodie> ....
[12:19] <melodie> unsuccessful installation
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> crimsun: why?
[12:19] <rupert_> crimsun, If I just change the repository again and then reget the lists, can I just downgrade the packages again?
[12:19] <melodie> as I don't have win anymore
[12:19] <hybrid_goth> rupert_: no
[12:19] <melodie> I had to install wine and winesetuptk
[12:19] <garnertr> melodie, ahh well I am new to Arlington, Wa, and I've been told the area has a high dust ratio, but I'll run over to the Nex and pick up a clearner this weekend... just find it odd that it worked under one OS and not another OS... but it probably could use a spring cleaning...
[12:20] <rupert_> crimsun, So what do I have to do...?
[12:20] <Fator_Dee> I've never ever cleaned my drives lenses and they all have worked always without problems :-o
[12:20] <crimsun> hybrid_goth: g++ 4.0 transition :)
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> rupert_: you have to remove packages or reinstall to downgrade
[12:20] <melodie> if you have windows you can run it under
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> crimsun: ah
[12:20] <melodie> if not
[12:20] <melodie> install wine
[12:20] <melodie> and the depends
[12:21] <melodie> this cleaning can also be done manually
[12:21] <melodie> but
[12:21] <crimsun> rupert_: you'll have to pin hoary repo at the highest possible priority
[12:21] <melodie> it is very delicate
[12:21] <crimsun> rupert_: man apt_preferences
[12:21] <melodie> and personnally
[12:21] <melodie> I didn't dare do it
[12:21] <rupert_> crimsun, Thanks. Any idea roughly what packages I'm going to need to change? (Does the dbus error suggest which packages are not working?)
[12:22] <raydogg``> where does one put a global script ? as you would put a global bin in /usr/bin
[12:22] <rupert_> raydogg``, /usr/bin will work. Or probably /usr/local/bin, as you presumably wrote it.
[12:22] <crimsun> rupert_: well, considering dbus 0.33 was uploaded a couple days ago, breaking api and abi and thus forcing the removing of all packages depending on it, ...
[12:23] <Undead_Soul> crimsun, do you mine if I bother you for a second in a PM?
[12:23] <rupert_> crimsun, Looks like I asked the right person! Thanks - I'll try that now.
[12:23] <crimsun> Undead_Soul: in here unless containing private info, please
[12:24] <Undead_Soul> Well, it's about some adverting for a radiostation, I'd like to ask an admin if I can advert?
[12:25] <crimsun> Undead_Soul: advertisements are frowned upon strongly
[12:25] <Undead_Soul> On the whole server?
[12:25] <crimsun> Undead_Soul: that would be a network policy, and you'd need to ask in #freenode
[12:25] <keffo> what program do I use to cut a .avi-file into 2?
[12:25] <Undead_Soul> Ok, thank you very much crimsun
[12:26] <crimsun> keffo: check the avifile-utils and mjpegtools
[12:26] <factorx> i'm just compiling a new kernel via make-kpkg but it seems it uses an obsolete .config instead of my recently created one. why?
[12:27] <keffo> crimsun, huh?
[12:27] <keffo> found it
[12:27] <ggross> hi everybody ... i wiil bought a Nokia 6230i, is it compatible to Ubuntu ? does Blutooth work correctly ?
[12:27] <crimsun> keffo: those are the names of two packages you'll want to look at. I don't know the list of binaries offhand.
[12:29] <keffo> hm
[12:29] <keffo> ok
[12:29] <keffo> problem
[12:29] <keffo> after i installed, there is nothing to execute really
[12:30] <ifr> Here's a weird one: how can I list files within a directory which are owned by a specific user (assuming files in the directory are owned by more than one user?)
[12:30] <keffo> crimsun - or what do you mean?
[12:31] <crimsun> keffo: each of those packages contains tools
[12:31] <ggross> nothing about nokia ?
[12:31] <crimsun> keffo: you'll have to look at the contents of those packages
[12:31] <keffo> crimsun, then im blind and cant find tools to use ;P
[12:31] <goldfish> hehe
[12:31] <crimsun> keffo: dpkg -L $package
[12:32] <goldfish> wonder if anyone has tried running Nokia Pc Suite in wine .....
[12:32] <ggross> lol
[12:32] <ggross> it might exist another prog ... isn't it ?
[12:32] <goldfish> no idea
[12:33] <goldfish> would be nice to know if a linux program like that existed
[12:33] <keffo> hm, ok crimsun now im about to find out wich one ;P
[12:33] <ggross> i've heard about gnokii, mygnokii and others ... but cant try now
[12:35] <a_peck> goldfish, good question
[12:35] <a_peck> goldfish, excellent
[12:35] <a_peck> lol
[12:35] <goldfish> thanks :)
[12:35] <a_peck> let's see now
[12:35] <a_peck> :p
[12:35] <goldfish> i might try it tomorrow
[12:35] <ggross> wich nokia do you have ?
[12:35] <Thirsteh> goldfish, have you tried googling 'Nokia PC suite Linux' ?
[12:35] <trandom> btw, anyone know why ubuntu takes ages to load the network configuration on start up??
[12:35] <ifr> I accidentally did: ln -s /home/samba/public /public when I meant ln -s /public /home/samba/public now ls -l /public shows everything withint the /public directory AND  public -> /home/samba/public can anyone help me remove that?
[12:36] <goldfish> Thirsteh: Not yet i'm afraid :/
[12:36] <a_peck> will you be online? i'm trying to learn php so i've not looked into the matter
[12:36] <Thirsteh> trandom, is your network IP determined by DHCP?
[12:36] <Thirsteh> goldfish, try it ;)
[12:36] <mjr> trandom, shouldn't; maybe your dhcp server is slow to respond (I assume it responds if your network works)
[12:36] <goldfish> Thirsteh: lol thanks :)
[12:36] <trandom> thirsteh, yep - wee router deals with that
[12:36] <goldfish> ggross: google Nokia PC suite Linux
[12:36] <goldfish> :)
[12:37] <trandom> mjr, lol my windows machines seem fine
[12:37] <mjr> *shrug*
[12:37] <Thirsteh> trandom, ah okay, there are some ethernet adaptors that take a while to be set to an IP address for some reason... If you've experienced (if you've run Windows) that your network wouldn't start up after until 2 minutes after you started Windows, it's not a problem with Ubuntu, but with your router, NIC, or ISP.
[12:37] <xlyz> hi. how can I set  a command to be executed every time the pc starts?
[12:37] <Thirsteh> trandom, you might not notice it in Windows because it does not initialize network before it boots the graphical interface
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> how do i use samba to get mp3s off a xp box on my network
[12:37] <hybrid_goth> ?
[12:38] <keffo> how do i search in manpages?
[12:38] <goldfish> xlyz: using gnome?
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> man -k
[12:38] <Fackamato> What's this beagle software evreyone keep talking about?
[12:38] <ggross> goldfish : dont found a lot ... oh ! maybe google (world ?)
[12:38] <goldfish> :)
[12:38] <Thirsteh> xlyz, I'm not sure if this works in Gentoo, but you can append the command to the bottom of /etc/rc.d/rc.local
[12:38] <xlyz> goldfish: configuration file
[12:38] <trandom> thirsteh, fair enough - i won't bother messing about with it then - not worth the hassel for an extra minute on start up
[12:38] <goldfish> ok
[12:39] <Thirsteh> xlyz, that's in some OS', I have yet to install Ubuntu so I can't verify if that is possible in it. Otherwise, you could try looking into Crontab, it will allow you to run processes either continously or at boot-time, and with webmin (if you install that), it's very easy to configure
[12:39] <ggross> goldfish : i only found windows user forums, and nokia pc suite links
[12:40] <keffo> how do i search in A man page?
[12:40] <xlyz> Thirsteh: in gentoo does not works that way ;) you need /etc/conf.d/local.start
[12:40] <Thirsteh> xlyz, well, alright, you already knew :P
[12:41] <Thirsteh> xlyz, use that file, or crontab, is my answer :)
[12:41] <xlyz> Thirsteh:  /etc/rc.d is not there
[12:43] <Thirsteh> xlyz, you just said the equivelant for Debian systems is /etc/conf.d/local.start, so use that :)
[12:43] <keffo> how do i search in A man page?
[12:43] <xlyz> no, that's for gentoo
[12:43] <xlyz> don't know what for Debian
[12:44] <rupertsw> crimsun, Thankyou very much for the help. Everything's working again now.
[12:44] <Thirsteh> xlyz, ah okay, not reading all of the sentences that are written at the moment. Well, you should use Crontab, you can edit it with 'crontab -e' as your normal user, then you will enter a vi-like editor, just google "Crontab Guide" and see how it's done there
[12:44] <crimsun> rupertsw: np
[12:44] <tga> I'm having trouble compiling the logitech quickcam driver.. do I need the full kernel source or just the headers?
[12:44] <tga> + is there a debian/ubuntu way of compiling kernel modules or do I just 'make' it?
[12:45] <goldfish> keffo: forward slash, enter pattern to match, press enter
[12:45] <goldfish> keffo: while inside the man page
[12:45] <jabular> Anyone experienced the install freezing at 25% - Configuring apt ?
[12:47] <keffo> hahafnasd
[12:47] <keffo> fuck mjpegtools :<
[12:47] <xfSx> hey i've got problems installing firefox 1.0.4 on hoary
[12:47] <dockane> what does "gethostbyname()" ... sorry, i messed up my network
[12:47] <xfSx> i get (firefox-installer-bin:16203): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[12:47] <melodie> don't
[12:47] <sjohnson> has anyone done the CDRom DMA speedup in Ubuntuguide?
[12:47] <melodie> xfSx: don't it's not safe :))
[12:48] <xfSx> why not safe?
[12:48] <rupertsw> xfSx, Are you trying to run it as root? It probably means that X hasn't got a magic cookie for root.
[12:48] <xfSx> no i can only run as root
[12:48] <rupertsw> xfSx, I think sudo sorts that out though?
[12:48] <goldfish> sjohnson: yes
[12:48] <xfSx> mmk
[12:48] <Thirsteh> I haven't installed Ubuntu yet, so here's a noob question: Does the Ubuntu standard kernel come with iptables support?
[12:48] <goldfish> sjohnson: watching dvd's was sluggish until i did that
[12:49] <goldfish> sjohnson: no it's runs smooth
[12:49] <Thirsteh> not support, is it enabled?
[12:49] <goldfish> *now
[12:49] <sjohnson> goldfish: /dev/hda:
[12:49] <sjohnson>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:49] <sjohnson>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:49] <sjohnson>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:49] <sjohnson> it won't work for me, and i'm doing it as sudo
[12:49] <threat> hi
[12:49] <goldfish> hmmm...
[12:49] <goldfish> sjohnson: no idea i'm afraid :/
[12:49] <sjohnson> .... :(
[12:49] <threat> what program auto-mounts USB drives and what not under Ubuntu?
[12:49] <sjohnson> thanks tho
[12:49] <sjohnson> i have THE worst luck in linux ever
[12:49] <rupertsw> sjohnson, Is this a home-grown kernel or a hoary one?
[12:50] <sjohnson> hoary
[12:50] <Thirsteh> dockane, gethostbyname() is a function used in many C applications that will detect the hostmask of an IP address, e.g. 203.68.59.102 resolves to pwnhx.mn.rr.com
[12:50] <sjohnson> standard hoary install
[12:50] <threat> sjohnson, how so? I am using Linux full on now, I havnt needed to switch to my windows box at all for a month or so
[12:50] <sjohnson> oh man... i dunno, some kind of curse
[12:50] <sjohnson> i'm an experienced BSD user
[12:50] <sjohnson> and shit just never works right for me, example: the above
[12:50] <keffo> anyone who ever splited a AVI file into 2 in Linux?
[12:50] <threat> sjohnson, heh the curse of the Daemon :)
[12:51] <sjohnson> while something works for EVERYONE else, for some reason, it won't work for me
[12:51] <threat> keffo, no
[12:51] <threat> keffo, when you say avi you mean DIVX/XVID rigyht?
[12:51] <keffo> yes, true
[12:51] <Thirsteh> sjohnson, some hardware, but not much, will not work with alot of Linux distro's cause alot of Linux distro's use the same drivers, and if they're bugged, you're screwed.
[12:51] <goldfish> you could try the split command keffo
[12:51] <dockane> Thirsteh, i ran etherconf and that was _definetly stupid : sudo: unable to lookup cray.example.com.example.com via gethostbyname()
[12:51] <goldfish> dunno if it will work
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> how do i use samba to get mp3s off a xp box on my network?
[12:51] <Thirsteh> threat, AVI is the standard video format along with MPG, AVI was invented by Microsoft though
[12:51] <xfSx> rupertsw, yeah sudo seemed to do the trick thanks
[12:51] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: ubuntuguide.org has a samba guide
[12:52] <dockane> any chance to recover ?
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[12:52] <rupertsw> xfSx, No problem
[12:52] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf - scroll to the bottom and make a share
[12:52] <threat> Thirsteh, I know
[12:52] <sjohnson> doesnt work for either of my drives
[12:52] <Thirsteh> dockane, lol :O
[12:52] <Thirsteh> dockane, change it back?
[12:52] <ShadowRage> how do I add fonts?
[12:52] <dockane> Thirsteh, any idea how ?
[12:52] <threat> Thirsteh, although when people now talk about AVI's they are normally refering to the spawn of it :) DIVX or XVID etc..
[12:52] <Thirsteh> dockane, no, sorry, preparing to install Ubuntu for the first time at the moment :\
[12:52] <dockane> Thirsteh, ah ok
[12:53] <threat> Thirsteh, its not that difficult! :) its quiet easy actually, well compared to Debian, slackware or FreeBSD
[12:53] <Thirsteh> threat, AVI had no spawn other than MPG, DivX/XviD are codecs used in conjunction with AVI/MPG to compress/improve the size/quality of the video file :)
[12:53] <threat> Xandros is easier though
[12:53] <dockane> Thirsteh, i cant get any dns lookups. could you please take a look for me what etherconf does and paste it into a query for me ?
[12:53] <Thirsteh> threat, I'll live through it ;) I don't expect it to be harder than a Gentoo stage 1 install, so I'll be al right
[12:53] <ShadowRage> how do I add fonts?
[12:53] <threat> Thirsteh,  :)
[12:54] <ShadowRage> ttf fonts
[12:54] <threat> ShadowRage, easy
[12:54] <threat> ShadowRage, add it to .fonts or /usr/share/fonts/truetype/
[12:54] <Thirsteh> dockane, I can't run it, I'm stuck on a Windoze machine at the moment, burning the Ubuntu Hairy installation CD ;)
[12:54] <Thirsteh> Sorry I meant hoary :D
[12:54] <goldfish> lol hairy
[12:54] <threat> lol
[12:54] <ShadowRage> threat: do you have to restart X?
[12:54] <rupertsw> keffo, Seriously, just looking at the mplayer man page, something like mplayer -frames <some_num> <your_file> should display it and then if you use mencoder, you can write that to a file.
[12:55] <garnertr> hairy, he said hairy.... ha ha ha
[12:55] <tahorg> ShadowRage: nautilus file -> open location
[12:55] <tahorg> ShadowRage: fonts://
[12:55] <dockane> anybody inhere who would do me a favour ? :)
[12:55] <ShadowRage> tahorg: :D
[12:55] <ShadowRage> nice
[12:55] <threat> note to Ubuntu developers. name the release after the next release hairy
[12:55] <tahorg> drag'n'drop your file here
[12:55] <threat> ShadowRage, no
[12:55] <melodie> good night  :)
[12:55] <stuNNed> Ubuntu Hoary the Hairy HedgeHog? :D
[12:55] <zxc> how do you change the text underneath icons in ubuntu?
[12:55] <Thirsteh> threat, ;)
[12:56] <garnertr> doesn't right-click properties do it?
[12:56] <threat> so any way, what program auto-mounts under Ubuntu ?
[12:56] <threat> garnertr, assuming he has a mouse with a right clickers :S
[12:56] <rupertsw> thread, pmount/pumount does the actual mounting and I think gnome tells it to.
[12:57] <garnertr> ahhh right-you-are!
[12:57] <rupertsw> (sorry: threat!)
[12:57] <threat> rupertsw, ok, well its being gay, it mounts sometimes and doesnt other times, I guess I need to chuck it in the Fstab aye
[12:57] <Thirsteh> Can anyone here please type iptables in a console, see if it gives an error or not, I need to know if the Ubuntu kernel has iptables supports activated
[12:58] <threat> Thirsteh, it supports it
[12:58] <rupertsw> threat, Try pmount /dev/file/thing in a xterm. It might well work.
[12:58] <Thirsteh> It supports it, but is it activated?
[12:58] <zxc> like how do you change the font colour, text style underneath the icons on the desktop
[12:58] <threat> Thirsteh, yes
[12:58] <threat> Thirsteh, unless your refering to IP forwarding, which is handled in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:58] <threat> oops
[12:58] <ali4728> Help! How can I cpecify the document root in apace2.conf ? thanks
[12:58] <threat> /etc/network/options :)
[12:58] <Thirsteh> I wouldn't want to do a kernel recompile, I'm running straight through a Switch->DSL, no firewall or port blocking whatsoever, so I'll need iptables to avoid being "hacked" by script kiddies ;)
[12:59] <Thirsteh> threat, nope, I just need to run Shorewall or something similar
[12:59] <threat> Thirsteh, iptables -I INPUT -j DROP,  that will protect you from all of the script kiddies :)
[12:59] <rupertsw> Thirsteh, Try running some firewall program and see if it works. It probably will.
[12:59] <dockane> puh got it :)
[12:59] <Thirsteh> It's bad when you pay extra for your ISP to change your IP every 15 minutes and people STILL try to "h4x0r" my "b0x0r" :\
[12:59] <threat> Thirsteh, it works, I have done it :)
[12:59] <jdims> who did you piss off.
[01:00] <Thirsteh> threat, I'm on Windoze ;)
[01:00] <goldfish> emmm
[01:00] <threat> Thirsteh, hehe, setup snort :)
[01:00] <threat> Thirsteh, aawwww
[01:00] <rupertsw> Thirsteh, And pray.
[01:00] <Thirsteh> I ran an MMO and accidentally revealed my identity, not cool :\
[01:00] <goldfish> I can't even get a static ip with my isp !
[01:00] <jdims> packetbl is pretty cool too.
[01:00] <threat> Thirsteh, quickly reboot and install linux :P
[01:00] <threat> Thirsteh, MMO ?
[01:00] <Thirsteh> threat, 15 mins left and Ubuntu is going onto my drive :)
[01:00] <threat> w00t
[01:00] <ali4728> Help! How can I cpecify the document root in apace2.conf ? thanks
[01:00] <teleyinex> hey
[01:00] <Thirsteh> Massive Multiplayer Online Game, forgot the G
[01:00] <threat> Thirsteh, the first command you will type is iptables -I INPUT -j DROP :)
[01:00] <teleyinex> someone has problems with openoffice
[01:00] <Thirsteh> Or, as some people call it, a MUD
[01:01] <jdims> lol
[01:01] <threat> ali4728, you read the file and change the relitive directive
[01:01] <Thirsteh> threat, that'll drop all inbound connections?
[01:01] <johan> someone how know a IRC chanel for web design under linux or using Bluefish?:)
[01:01] <threat> oh
[01:01] <jdims> lesson learned eh Thirsteh
[01:01] <threat> Thirsteh, thats right :)
[01:01] <teleyinex> cause the openoffice from hoary, suddenly tries to close itself, i have to cancel this some times
[01:01] <Thirsteh> jdims, ye :\
[01:01] <teleyinex> its that a bug?
[01:01] <Thirsteh> threat, goodie
[01:01] <threat> Thirsteh, its case sensitive remember :)
[01:01] <jdims> get a ipfw for windows
[01:01] <Thirsteh> threat, I'm used to Linux >.<
[01:02] <teleyinex> good night!
[01:02] <rupertsw> ali4728, Mine starts with 'ServerRoot "/var/www/htdocs"' And works.
great help thanks
[01:02] <threat> Thirsteh, :)
[01:02] <threat> ali4728, my plesure
[01:02] <threat> ali4728, anything else I can help you with ?
[01:02] <jdims> http://www.its.ipfw.edu/howto/network/win2k-winxp.html
[01:02] <Thirsteh> threat, been running a Gentoo/Mandrake (or Mandriva) combo for 5 years, time to try something good for a change :P
[01:02] <threat> nice
[01:02] <threat> :)
[01:03] <threat> Thirsteh, well welcome to the world of Debian :)
[01:03] <Thirsteh> When I heard there was a cool Debian distro I was like "MUSSTTT GETTT#)(/"
[01:03] <threat> Thirsteh, enjoy your stay
[01:03] <Thirsteh> Haha, thanks
[01:03] <rupertsw> Good night, everyone
[01:03] <sjohnson> anyone have any problems enabling DMA for dvd / cdrom drives?
[01:03] <Thirsteh> At least we won't have to worry about bankruptcy like Mandrake
[01:03] <m0rl3> Hello all
[01:03] <jdims> ipfw will stop those scriptkiddies cold.
[01:03] <goldfish> hi m0rl3
[01:04] <threat> sjohnson, hehe dont :)  most DVD/CDROMs have crappy implementations or no support at all
[01:04] <threat> jdims, *smacK* no! iptables!
[01:04] <mrhodes> hey i just messed up my gnome by running a command to 'enable the nvidia driver' that was given to me by syntaptik.. any idea how to exec gnome so i can try fix the prob?
[01:04] <jdims> hes using windows!
[01:04] <ryman> can someone help me to install JDK ?
[01:04] <jdims> is there an iptables port to windows?
[01:04] <threat> mrhodes, soundsl ike you fscked up your X
[01:04] <Thirsteh> jdims, doubt it
[01:05] <jdims> exactly my point.
[01:05] <m0rl3> What do you think about this ubuntu report? They said that ubuntu will be renamed? -> http://www.livejournal.com/community/tws_support/347374.html
[01:05] <sjohnson> threat: *crys*
[01:05] <sjohnson> :)
[01:05] <threat> jdims, no, iptables is a frontend to the ipfilter code in the kernel
[01:05] <jdims> but threat ipfw has a port to windows
[01:05] <GeInK> hello
[01:05] <jdims> it works very similirly to ipfilter
[01:05] <mrhodes> threat yeah X is crazy, how can i try and start it again from command line to check output?
[01:05] <threat> jdims, ipfw mustn't be a frontend then
[01:05] <GeInK> where i can fina a desktop themes for gnome?
[01:06] <threat> mrhodes, startx
[01:06] <jdims> no they front end is called something else
[01:06] <jdims> sf.net
[01:06] <VVeIrD> gnome-arts
[01:06] <threat> mrhodes, you may need to reedit your xorg config file  located in  /etc/X11/xorg.conf I think
[01:06] <GeInK> link?
[01:06] <sjohnson> threat: : i have to figure something out... my computer bogs RIGHT DOWN when i even copy a file
[01:06] <threat> mrhodes, there you will need to make sure nv has been changed to nvidia :)
[01:06] <mrhodes> nvidia kernel module missing!
[01:06] <m0rl3> Why is the apt-get removed? -> http://www.livejournal.com/community/tws_support/347374.html
[01:06] <m0rl3> Can someone told me that?
[01:06] <threat> mrhodes, install it then :)
[01:06] <threat> well I am off
[01:06] <mrhodes> heh
[01:07] <jdims> l8r
[01:07] <metalsand> What. The. Fuck.
[01:07] <metalsand> Ban!
[01:07] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, it's on the non-free repository afaik
[01:08] <Thirsteh> m0rl3, one sick individual
[01:08] <sjohnson> m0rl3: whats your first language?
[01:08] <metalsand> [ 00:07:26 ]    Parts : m0rl3 [ ~morlenxus@dsl-082-082-081-170.arcor-ip.net ] 
[01:09] <goldfish> omg
[01:09] <mrhodes> is it linux-686 restricted modules? that comes up when i apt-cache search nvidia
[01:09] <goldfish> LOL
[01:09] <keffo> AARHXG goddamnit from hell, where teh HELL can i find "avisplit"?
[01:09] <keffo> it should do it
[01:09] <mrhodes> it says the binary driver, nvidia-glx, is alreay installed
[01:09] <keffo> a fine app
[01:09] <keffo> im currently reading manpages, but i cant find the fuding program
[01:10] <keffo> found it
[01:10] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, check out the Ubuntu nvidia guy, you have to download two modules
[01:10] <Thirsteh> guy=guide
[01:11] <mrhodes> thirste: i only got lynx to browse
[01:11] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, hold on a sec then
[01:11] <trondd> Hi! Got a simple question: What is the correct way to select which services are started for a given runlevel? (I know gentoo, so I find deb/ubuntu a bit confusing)
[01:11] <mrhodes> cheers matey
[01:12] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, query?
[01:13] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, can I query you (priv msg) with the instructions?
[01:13] <manu> hello
[01:13] <jabular> Anyone experienced the install freezing at 25% - Configuring apt ?
[01:14] <onekill> ok when you want to change preferences in fire fox it comes up with an error I think it is requireing me to be root is there a way to change preferences without logging off and logging back in ast root?
[01:15] <Thirsteh> onekill, you don't have to do that, just sudo run Firefox and configure it there
[01:15] <manu> I'm helping a friend installing ubuntu remotely, and I would like to install the kernel headers matching his curent kernel (2.6.10-5-386), but I haven't found this in any repositories either restricted or universe, is there a meta mackage doing this ?
[01:15] <Thirsteh> onekill, "sudo firefox", or "sudo mozilla-firefox"
[01:15] <onekill> thank you i will try that
[01:16] <trondd> I have to answer my self: rcconf :)
[01:16] <mrhodes> sure you can thisteh
[01:16] <mrhodes> sorry i had to grab a drink
[01:17] <onekill> thank you Thirsteh it worked
[01:17] <calamari> manu: I'm pretty sure there are only kernel source packages that match the binary packages in the repository
[01:17] <garnertr> yawn
[01:17] <Thirsteh> onekill, np :)
[01:17] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, alright
[01:18] <mrhodes> jabular you got that freeze problem sorted?
[01:18] <mrhodes> i had the same
[01:18] <A-z-i-z> hello. is there a package for kplayer ?
[01:19] <manu> calamari, I have found kernel sources only for the 2.6.8 or the 2.6.9 ...
[01:20] <calamari> manu: is the binary kernel something he had before, or is it an ubuntu kernel?
[01:20] <onekill> ok can i upgrade firefox or do i dl the new version and install it?
[01:21] <onekill> i guess my question is "is there a command to do say firefox -upgrade?"
[01:21] <calamari> A-z-i-z: not that I can tell, but if you'd like to search for yourself, load Synaptic and do a search.  Very cool program
[01:21] <Burgundavia> onekill, the hoary version has the security stuff backported
[01:21] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, done.
[01:21] <manu> calamari, it's the default install kernel
[01:21] <onekill> ok
[01:22] <calamari> manu: ah.. well I dunno then.  running Warty here and I got my kernel sources from the repository
[01:22] <mrhodes> cheers, heh i'm new to irssi, dunno how to msg or view my privmsgs!
[01:22] <A-z-i-z> calamari: thanks
[01:22] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, and I can't remember :(
[01:22] <arch_b1sh0p> i am on an AMD64 and i tried running the nvidia installer from (nvidia) (after removing all the nvidia packages apt-get remove).
[01:22] <mrhodes> there's numbers on the right that say Act: 1,3,4,5
[01:22] <mrhodes> heh
[01:22] <Thirsteh> mrhodes, try using ALT-<number> to tab through the pages, I think that's the way
[01:23] <Thirsteh> It might be ctrl, but I think it's alt
[01:23] <goldfish> alt
[01:23] <goldfish> or esc
[01:23] <Thirsteh> nod
[01:23] <calamari> A-z-i-z: I like the description search.. can find all sorts of things that way :)
[01:23] <arch_b1sh0p> it expected  /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so round /usr/X11r6/lib32/libGL.so.1
[01:23] <arch_b1sh0p> anyone have this problem?
[01:24] <jabular> mrhodes: I managed to work around it, but wondered how common it is...
[01:24] <mrhodes> yeah
[01:24] <manu> calamari, thx, I have found an answer, it's just as I haven't the hand on the machine I'm a bit lost trying to explain :)
[01:24] <mrhodes> did you kill apt-get from another console?
[01:25] <garnertr> what is a good dvd-movie-player for Ubuntu?
[01:25] <goldfish> vlc
[01:25] <goldfish> xine
[01:25] <Thirsteh> garnertr, ogle, vlc, xine
[01:25] <Burgundavia> garnertr, totem
[01:25] <Burgundavia> garnertr, already installed
[01:25] <Thirsteh> garnertr, ogle is the most simple
[01:25] <mrhodes> it seems to assume you have a net connection already present at bootup, hence the default auto-time-update (ntp)... even during install it tried to access the internet without warning
[01:25] <jabular> mrhodes: 1st 2 installs went fine, 3rd freezes, same CD
[01:25] <garnertr> thanks!
[01:25] <Thirsteh> jabular, reboot and try again?
[01:26] <manu> calamari, thx anyways for listen to this :)
[01:26] <calamari> manu: np, sorry I couldn't help
[01:27] <jabular> mrhodes: same thing, same place --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24775
[01:28] <hybrid_goth> how do i use smb if the computer i want to acces is behind the same router as me therfore has the same ip
[01:28] <K_Dallas> i do not know but it should have another ip !
[01:29] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, routers give out different IP's, not the same
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> K_Dallas: nope this box has the exact same ip as the other
[01:29] <K_Dallas> for instance xx.xxx.xxx.100 and xx.xxx.xxx.101
[01:29] <K_Dallas> ok, so beyond my knowledge
[01:29] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: i went to ip chicken on one box and this one and they were the same
[01:30] <hybrid_goth> ill look again here in a second
[01:30] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, yes, that's because you go there via your router, which has one IP, but your machines get an IP each from the router, two machines cannot possibly have the same IP
[01:30] <holycow> check again, if they are you have problems
[01:30] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, IP chicken is on the internet, thus you exit your router, and have your routers IP, if you understand
[01:30] <arch_b1sh0p> and one try using the nvidia installer on ubuntu on a amd64?
[01:30] <arch_b1sh0p> anyone
[01:31] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: o i c
[01:31] <hybrid_goth> so how do i find the ip behind a router
[01:31] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, Windows or Linux machines?
[01:31] <Astrak> hi all
[01:31] <hybrid_goth> Thirsteh: the one i want to connect to is windows
[01:31] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: ifconfig ?
[01:31] <goldfish> hybrid_goth: ipconfig
[01:31] <goldfish> wait
[01:32] <goldfish> hmmmm
[01:32] <Thirsteh> hybrid_goth, ok, on your windows machine, open start->run...->'cmd' in the box, in cmd you enter 'ipconfig', it'll tell you your IP
[01:32] <ernstp> hmm, can't get subpixel AA in gnome with the radeon driver, but I get it with fglrx. R350 class card
[01:32] <Thirsteh> goldfish, yep, ipconfig ;)
[01:32] <goldfish> :)
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[01:32] <hybrid_goth> brb
[01:32] <Thirsteh> coughifconfig-wannabescough
[01:34] <Thirsteh> Okay, I'm off, when I return I'll be "human", ho, hoho, hohoho...
[01:35] <joe|code> Can I safely remove GNUstep or is it required by Gnome?
[01:37] <hybrid_goth> i ran smb://ip/musik and i get no such file or directory
[01:39] <A-z-i-z> i added a repository to /etc/apt/sources.list  .. but i get W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B90 .. when i run apt-get update ...
[01:40] <Burgundavia> A-z-i-z, use hoary-extras from the backports project instead
[01:40] <A-z-i-z> Burgundavia: how ?
[01:41] <Burgundavia> A-z-i-z, www.ubuntuforums.org --> 3rd party projects --> backports project
[01:41] <ernstp> joe|code, gnustep is something else. btw synaptic and apt knows all dependencies so you can allways try it and see
[01:43] <IcemanV9> flac or ogg?? which is better?
[01:43] <IcemanV9> when rip audio CD
[01:43] <amax> for?
[01:43] <amax> ogg is lossy, flac isnt
[01:43] <K_Dallas> unless you are extremely professional, either would be ok
[01:43] <K_Dallas> flac, ape, ... are all good
[01:44] <IcemanV9> k, thks :)
[01:44] <goldfish> if u have gigs of free space rip to flac
[01:44] <goldfish> :)
[01:44] <K_Dallas> :)
[01:44] <A-z-i-z> Burgundavia: thanks.. i found the missing package :)
[01:44] <goldfish> or terrabytes
[01:44] <BurgerMann> hi =))
[01:44] <K_Dallas> is ape smaller than flac of the same quality? never tried it
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> does ogg or mp3 have a smaller filesize?
[01:45] <K_Dallas> mp3 does for sure
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> really?
[01:45] <K_Dallas> flac and ape are something liek wave as far as i know but smaller
[01:45] <goldfish> yeah
[01:45] <BurgerMann> I'm downloaded an opera package (.deb) for Ubuntu. But when I run it a dialog, saying add or remove applications appears and I can't find out how to install Opera !! :(
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> sudo dpkg -i <deb>.deb
[01:46] <goldfish> BurgerMann: dpkg -i blah.deb ??
[01:46] <goldfish> meh
[01:46] <BurgerMann> oh oki
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> hopefully a gui deb installer is a feature in hoary :)
[01:47] <dockane> first my hd was  1.4 non contiguous and then 8.4 % ... is that a hint for a dying hd ?
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> how do you test that dockane?
[01:47] <dockane> thechitowncubs, ubuntu showed that at startup
[01:48] <kyncani> Announcing a new wiki page, for package management: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PackageManagementHowTo
[01:48] <BurgerMann> thechitowncubs, yep it is, but can't figure out how to use it
[01:49] <BurgerMann> Weee... opera is groovy
[01:49] <BurgerMann> but it comes with ad =(((
[01:49] <lotusleaf> BurgerMann: if you like advertisements that is ;)
[01:50] <K_Dallas> opera is still what i use the most but firefox is catching pretty fast specially that in their recent trunk versions the forward-backward is fixed to give you excellent speed
[01:50] <BurgerMann> lotusleaf, I hat'em
[01:50] <thechitowncubs> Opera isn't as good in linux as win32 IMO
[01:51] <K_Dallas> true
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> Firefox is better in nix than win32 IMO
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> :)
[01:51] <BurgerMann> heh
[01:51] <K_Dallas> yet i would say faster than firefox or mozilla
[01:51] <lotusleaf> thechitowncubs: they both have ads in their free version though ;P
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> ya, which is stupid
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> but if they want to make money, i have no problem
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> but they aren't from me
[01:51] <hybrid_goth> i got to stay alternative to keep from virri so i use linus the same for browser i love fx but it is popular and bein targeted
[01:51] <BurgerMann> i suppose noone made a ad-go-away-crack for linux :s
[01:51] <K_Dallas> firefox, get the trunk version and change some config data to make it pretty neat and fast
[01:51] <hybrid_goth> viva la w3m
[01:51] <K_Dallas> viva lynx :)
[01:52] <BurgerMann> wouldn't know how to install it anyway
[01:52] <thechitowncubs> virus on linux, psh
[01:52] <BurgerMann> psh?
[01:52] <jnk> hybrid_goth, I recommend browsing with telnet on Hurd
[01:52] <hybrid_goth> K_Dallas: lynx has came a long way
[01:52] <lotusleaf> lol
[01:52] <BurgerMann> is that a sound? :s
[01:52] <goldfish> psh, pffff, et....
[01:52] <BurgerMann> ah
[01:52] <BurgerMann> get it
[01:52] <hybrid_goth> jkn: hurd? is it stable?
[01:52] <K_Dallas> i have not used lynx for quite a few years, i think it is now called links or something
[01:52] <lotusleaf> 300 baud via telnet on a vic-20, no problems then
[01:52] <thechitowncubs> XBOX 360 is getting its big debut tonight
[01:52] <goldfish> still called lynx in the repos
[01:52] <goldfish> i tried to use it
[01:52] <lotusleaf> or just use a good old commodore 64
[01:52] <K_Dallas> ok
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> K_Dallas: links != lynx
[01:53] <K_Dallas> well a i said, havent been following it in the past few years
[01:53] <K_Dallas> tought they were the same
[01:53] <K_Dallas> thought*
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> K_Dallas: as i said links != lynx
[01:53] <hybrid_goth> :D
[01:53] <K_Dallas> got that :)
[01:53] <lotusleaf> can I get an Amen for Dillo? :S
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> haha
[01:54] <hybrid_goth> does dillo support tabs
[01:55] <SuperLag> doubt it, and it's only GTK1
[01:55] <kyncani> Epiphany's got tabs
[01:55] <lotusleaf> actually in DSL I think they modified it to have tabs, either that or Feather nix
[01:55] <kyncani> and is lighter than firefox
[01:55] <lotusleaf> Dillo that is
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> Epiphany is too ugly
[01:56] <hybrid_goth> thats bad b/c i like cli browsers
[01:56] <PhantomFreak> Help, just installed Warty Warhog and the monitor shutsdown when the GUI is supposed to start.
[01:56] <PhantomFreak> Help!
[01:56] <synd> hey how do i print on a printer that is connected to a networked computer??
[01:56] <IIIEars> anything without java and scripting is good.
[01:57] <synd> PhantomFreak: install hoary
[01:57] <lotusleaf> hybrid_goth: then try conkeror
[01:57] <joh> PhantomFreak: why did you install warty when you can hoary?
[01:57] <shad0w1e> help! The ubuntu telnet host sucks! when I log in from windows telnet and open up any program that "occupies the screen", the screen gets all garbled on me! Does anyone know of a better telnet host to use?
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: whats that
[01:57] <PhantomFreak> would hoary work any better!
[01:57] <thread> shad0w1e: ssh
[01:57] <lotusleaf> hybrid_goth: a web browser
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> PhantomFreak: yea
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: cli or gui
[01:57] <synd> lotusleaf: konqueror
[01:57] <shad0w1e> thread: I hate when people tell me that. ssh doesnt come with windows
[01:57] <shad0w1e> lets say im in colleg
[01:57] <hybrid_goth> putty
[01:57] <Sauron21> guys....I know this sounds like a real noob question....but I was wondering how to install  .cpp  files?
[01:57] <lotusleaf> synd: no, conkeror
[01:57] <shad0w1e> or in a lab
[01:57] <thread> shad0w1e: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html
[01:58] <hybrid_goth> ./cpp
[01:58] <synd> hm. oh well
[01:58] <shad0w1e> youre not answering..
[01:58] <mtbeedee> shad0w1e, get putty
[01:58] <PhantomFreak> Installed Warty because we already had a disc for it! Although have been d/l Hoary all afternoon!
[01:58] <lotusleaf> Conkeror: http://conkeror.mozdev.org/
[01:58] <Mr-Mafio> him, im on xfce4 and I tryed to install kde but now I can't see my xfce4 menu
[01:58] <shad0w1e> the fact is that telnet comes installed on every windows PC. putty does NOT
[01:58] <IIIEars> Phantom - Hoary is -much- better.
[01:58] <synd> how do i print on a printer that is connected to a networked computer??
[01:58] <thread> shad0w1e: ssh is waaaayy better than telnet for many reasons
[01:58] <hybrid_goth> Mr-Mafio: try right clicking the desktop
[01:58] <IcemanV9> PhantomFreak: ok, upgrade Warty to Hoary then :)
[01:58] <synd> PhantomFreak: yes, hoary is quite nice.
[01:59] <sjohnson> GregHimself : i had a FUCK of a time finding a plastic 10cc syringe
[01:59] <synd> much nicer
[01:59] <PhantomFreak> fair enough!
[01:59] <thread> shad0w1e: putty can be downloaded as a single .exe that IS the application.. no need to install stuff... juyst drop it on your start menu or in c:\windows so you can start -> run -> putty
[01:59] <sjohnson> most places wouldn't give them to me, where can i buy them (what kind of store)?
[01:59] <synd> how do i print on a printer that is connected to a networked computer?
[01:59] <Sauron21> so if a file is named  test.cpp  I will install it by typing  ./test.cpp   ??
[01:59] <sjohnson> i want to have about 6 of these fuckers
[01:59] <shad0w1e> thread: yes but im using public computer labs all the time that dont have ssh
[01:59] <mtbeedee> shad0w1e, so get it.
[01:59] <thread> shad0w1e: hm =\ well you could use mindterm or some java based ssh client
[01:59] <PhantomFreak> sjohnson: I can quite easily get hold of suringes, my dad swipes them from work(the NHS)
[02:00] <shad0w1e> its an idea but I still like using telnet because its ALWAYS THERE
[02:00] <shad0w1e> so,
[02:00] <shad0w1e> any idea of why the screen gets all garbled?
[02:00] <shad0w1e> um what port is ssh
[02:00] <sjohnson> PhantomFreak: what kind of work does your dad do?
[02:00] <Flav> shad0w1e: 22
[02:00] <hybrid_goth> could you put putty on a uwb key a run from there?
[02:00] <mtbeedee> hybrid_goth: yes
[02:00] <shad0w1e> hybrid_goth: yes
[02:00] <PhantomFreak> He's an Anethatist...
[02:00] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[02:01] <tritium> Sauron21, no, that's a C++ file, most likely.  You'll want to compile it with g++.  Please verify the file type with "file test.cpp".
[02:01] <synd> how do i print on a printer that is connected to a networked computer??
[02:01] <ShadowRage> how do I stop pppd from overwriting resolv.conf?
[02:01] <shad0w1e> look, you cant argue with the fact that telnet is ALWAYS THERE
[02:01] <shad0w1e> so,
[02:01] <shad0w1e> any way to get THAT working?
[02:01] <ShadowRage> it keeps wiping my resolv.conf settings
[02:01] <hybrid_goth> synd: you will need cups
[02:01] <synd> hybrid_goth: cups?
[02:01] <hybrid_goth> synd: look in synaptic common unix printer system
[02:01] <yUSiyE> guys, what's the advantage ubuntu over others?
[02:02] <tritium> synd, System->Administration->Printing
[02:02] <dockane> how do i force a filesysytem check at next bootup ?
[02:02] <yUSiyE> want to try out ubuntu
[02:02] <IIIEars> Phantom - any free samples your dad my bring home would come in handy when the windows box just refuses to work.
[02:02] <hybrid_goth> easy but powefull
[02:02] <Sauron21> tritium: "ASCII C program text, with CRLF, LF line terminators"  ?
[02:02] <mtbeedee> shad0w1e: what are you using?  telnetd?
[02:02] <tritium> Sauron21, that's what I thought...
[02:02] <lotusleaf> only 9 hours remaining in my ubuntu download, woo!
[02:02] <IIIEars> ;)
[02:02] <shad0w1e> people keep saying that
[02:02] <hybrid_goth> yUSiyE: if you dont tweek it is all for noobs if you tweek it then it can b powerfull
[02:02] <shad0w1e> mtbeedee: yes
[02:03] <Sauron21> tritium: what do I do with that?
[02:03] <IIIEars> lotusleaf - bittorrent?
[02:03] <PhantomFreak> I did wonder why you wanted the suringes anyhow!
[02:03] <hybrid_goth> IIIEars: the bt died to like 3 seeds
[02:03] <lotusleaf> IIIEars: uh, no
[02:03] <tritium> Sauron21, you can compile it with g++.  Did it not come with any other files, such as a Makefile?
[02:03] <IIIEars> taw thats awful
[02:03] <thread> shad0w1e: try this.. there's no reason to use telnet anymore.. it's insecure and lacks features. http://www.oit.duke.edu/sa/security/ssh.html
[02:04] <mtbeedee> shad0w1e: That might be the only telnet daemon in the regular distro... you might be able to find another one.   I suspect the problem is with window's telnet client however
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> telnet is soooo Y2K
[02:04] <shad0w1e> they make putty for smartphone, thats very col
[02:04] <IIIEars> lol@goth
[02:04] <goldfish> hehe
[02:04] <Sauron21> no...only three files one   two .cpp files.....and one  .h file...
[02:04] <Sauron21> thats it...
[02:04] <tritium> goldfish, come here...my aquarium is getting empty
[02:04] <Razor-X> Putty for smartphone?
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> heh
[02:04] <goldfish> tritium: :)
[02:04] <sjohnson> quit teasing goldfish!!!.. he's mine
[02:05] <tritium> :)
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: the sidekick had an ssh applet
[02:05] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: oooh, nice ;-P
[02:05] <Flav> now we just need ssh that has a sidekick applet
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> yup
[02:05] <shad0w1e> mtbeedee: well the windows one accesses my college's solaris network no problem
[02:05] <Razor-X> is there one for PPC?
[02:05] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: what?
[02:05] <IIIEars> still curious why not tightVNC?
[02:05] <Razor-X> PocketPC
[02:05] <PhantomFreak> Has anyone got one of the Live CDs to work? The ISO image I downloaded didn't work properly!
[02:05] <Razor-X> because, then, i'ld be on IRC wherever there's a network ;-P
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: o i am on PPC powerpc:P prolly
[02:06] <Mr-Mafio> how can I uninstall KDE?
[02:06] <Razor-X> PhantomFreak: did you MD5 it?
[02:06] <shad0w1e> Razor-X: yes
[02:06] <tritium> PhantomFreak, they do work.  Please check the md5sum of the image you downloaded.
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> Mr-Mafio: #kubuntu
[02:06] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: heh, it gets confusing, those two acronyms
[02:06] <sbcl3> do you guys know how to install X11 cursor themes?
[02:06] <shad0w1e> Razor-X: I even installed it on my smartphone, although the screen resolution was too small to see the whole thing
[02:06] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: since ssh is free you can compile it on pocketpc
[02:06] <IIIEars> Phantom - yes it works - though some video cards require that you set resolution for them
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yes do a google search for ppc help
[02:07] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: yeah, but, is there a binary for it?
[02:07] <Jormundgand> How do you change the mouse pointer image?
[02:07] <IIIEars> laptops need the framebuffer option set correctly
[02:07] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: idk ask uncle google
[02:07] <PhantomFreak> Entered block size does not correspond with the image length! (That's what Nero said)...
[02:08] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: I shall!
[02:08] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:08] <PhantomFreak> MD5????
[02:08] <IIIEars> Phantom - md5 sum check?
[02:09] <hybrid_goth> PhantomFreak: it has too do with interigity of the file
[02:09] <IIIEars> filealyzer is a good windows app there are many linux tools
[02:09] <PhantomFreak> Ah! Don't have any! D'Oh!
[02:10] <IIIEars> Filealyzer is free and of course linux is always completely free - wohoo! (ahem - sorry got a bit carried away.)
[02:11] <pepsi> why shouldnt i use grumpy, er i mean breezy yet?
[02:11] <bestadvocate> i have just descovered the glory of xpenguins -n 99
[02:11] <hybrid_goth> pepsi: are you from dslinux from chance?
[02:11] <pepsi> nope
[02:11] <MrKeuner> is there a problem with the torrent links on ubuntu dopwnload page?
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> pepsi: oh the leader was pepsiman :P
[02:12] <MrKeuner> I am having problem connecting to tracker
[02:12] <IIIEars> xpenguins - rofl - they're cute
[02:12] <Funraiser> MrKeuner, for what file?
[02:13] <bestadvocate> i like using my windows like legos and building a penguin empire
[02:13] <MrKeuner> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[02:13] <Funraiser> what client?
[02:13] <MrKeuner> gnome-btdownload
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> check out this image
[02:14] <hybrid_goth> http://atgig.com/hybrid/Linux_vs_Windows.gif
[02:14] <Funraiser> don't like gnome-btdownload, u can't see what's happening
[02:15] <hybrid_goth> bittorrent or bittornado
[02:15] <MrKeuner> well it looks like tracker has a problem
[02:15] <goldfish> if u dont mind java, azureus is good
[02:15] <MrKeuner> I mind java it's closed source
[02:15] <Funraiser> hybrid_goth, the link doesn't work...
[02:16] <tga> where do I get the .config file for the 2.6.10 kernel bottled with hoary?
[02:17] <PhantomFreak> OK MD5 gives me a number... What am I meant to do with that!
[02:17] <MrKeuner> Funraiser/ does that link work in your bittorrent client?
[02:17] <Funraiser> lemmet check
[02:17] <Nub> anyone know what package tulip_core.c resides in?
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> http://atgig.com/hybrid/Linux_vs_windows.gif
[02:17] <hybrid_goth> there you go
[02:18] <Funraiser> he he i like it
[02:18] <hybrid_goth> i found it on google one day i wz like sweet
[02:19] <tritium> tga, in /boot
[02:19] <Funraiser> MrKeuner, (launching azureus)
[02:19] <MrKeuner> ok
[02:19] <PhantomFreak> 0FE63FBFCCF1261C779ECEDA48DC0DDB
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> http://atgig.com/hybrid/logo.jpg
[02:19] <hybrid_goth> that one is common^
[02:19] <tga> tritium: thanks
[02:20] <tritium> tga, sure
[02:20] <tritium> Nub, likely linux-source-2.6.10
[02:21] <calc> what happened to gnome 2.11?
[02:21] <Nub> tritium: couldn't find it in my lib/modules
[02:21] <calc> is it really behind schedule?
[02:21] <tritium> Nub, there should be no .c files in /lib/modules
[02:22] <Nub> tritium: they're arn't, where would i find it then?
[02:22] <MrKeuner> Funraiser/ have it connected to the tracker, yet?
[02:22] <tritium> Nub, like I said, in the source package for the kernel.
[02:22] <Funraiser> MrKeuner, yeah tracker is down
[02:22] <calc> 2.11.2 should be out next monday but 2.11.1 isn't even out yet
[02:22] <MrKeuner> Funraiser/ ok thanks
[02:22] <Nub> tritium, /usr/src/2.6.10 doesn't exist
[02:22] <tritium> Nub, did you install linux-source-2.6.10 ?
[02:22] <MrKeuner> Any ubuntu people here? alert bittorrent tracker is down! :)
[02:23] <Funraiser> really down
[02:23] <Nub> tritium, availible on cd via apt-get?
[02:23] <tritium> Nub, apt-get for sure, don't recall about cd
[02:23] <IIIEars> The torrent tracker might be down.
[02:23] <tritium> (probably not)
[02:23] <Nub> tritium, where else would i get it?
[02:23] <tritium> Nub, why do you need the source?
[02:24] <Razor-X> someone should make a magnet link for teh Ubuntu torrent
[02:24] <Razor-X> *the
[02:24] <Nub> tritium, i have to modify the code to work with my NIC
[02:24] <Razor-X> the first ten minutes of Revelations seems awesome
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: whats a magnet link
[02:24] <tritium> Nub, are you certain of this?
[02:24] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: a new feature of Azureus to manage trackerless torrents
[02:24] <Nub> tritium, as far as i've been able to find out, yes
[02:24] <joe|code> Anyone use Beep?
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: all of revelation seems awesome
[02:24] <hybrid_goth> o
[02:25] <Razor-X> haven't watched it all yet
[02:25] <Razor-X> it's the first video i've downloaded in Ubuntu (second i'm watching)
[02:25] <tritium> Nub, okay, then get linux-source-2.6.10.  Do you not have internet access in linux right now?
[02:25] <Nub> tritium, that's why i need that source
[02:25] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i kno alot of revelations and once on a bus trip told a girl i know so much about revelations it will scare you and she got hit in the head with a huge box
[02:25] <Razor-X> anyone here use a trackball?
[02:26] <Nub> tritium, to modify some code to get it to work with my NIC (ms pci adapter mn-130 #2)
[02:26] <TwoBitSprite> whenI run winetools... I get to the point where it's creating the fake_windows, and then proceeds to: "Invoking /usr/bin/wine rundll32.exe setupapi.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 128 wine.inf ..." repeatedly, in an infinate loop
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i use a track*pad*
[02:26] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: i'm assuming it's not the TV show  Revelations?
[02:26] <tritium> Nub, right.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34_all.deb&md5sum=29d9cec9e10de04cfe3d9eb868e6bd6a&arch=all&type=main
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: yes heh
[02:26] <Nub> tritium, thank you so much
[02:27] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: oh, heh, I meant Star Wars Revelations
[02:27] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: oh heh
[02:27] <tritium> Nub, no problem.  You'll want to transfer that to the linux side however you can, and then install it with dpkg.
[02:27] <Unfrgiven> can i override a module in initrd with one ive built that lives in /lib/modules? does modprobe first look in /lib/modules or initrd?
[02:28] <Funraiser> it's weird i can't empty my trash even with sudo rm -fr $HOME/.Trash/
[02:28] <Nub> tritium, burning it onto a cd now...
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: star wars pwns
[02:28] <Razor-X> once I get my trackball (which i'm pretty set on getting), i'm going to try and buy a sign saying "No Average Computer Users Allowed" in front of my door
[02:28] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, are you using wine from universe or from winehq.com?
[02:28] <Razor-X> *the computer room's door
[02:28] <tritium> Nub, good luck!
[02:28] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: amen to that
[02:28] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, universe
[02:28] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, winetools works with wine from winehq.com, but not the version in universe
[02:28] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: he trackpads rule i want one for my laptop no matter how bad it looks
[02:29] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, should I uninstall the one from universe and install the one in winehq?
[02:29] <Razor-X> hell, you have to be pretty stupid to freak out without the start bar, but then, try typing and you type Dvorak, try moving the mouse and you'll freak out ;-P
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> my sis has one on my old windows box and can barely use it :P
[02:29] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:29] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, if you want to use winetools, hyes.
[02:29] <tritium> yes
[02:29] <Razor-X> not many computer users can use the Linux box here, very very effective safeguard
[02:30] <Razor-X> that, and much easier on my wrists
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: my mom could do basics on mdk but my sis hahahahaha she would cry
[02:30] <besian> how do you install programs on ubuntu? i.e. Skype?
[02:30] <PhantomFreak> Ok, so my live ISO file had a completely different MD5 compared to the MD5 on the net! This means I have to download it again!
[02:30] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i had my laptop at school and my sis friend said ill take that and i wz like plz you couldnt use it
[02:30] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: my dad could do basics in Ubuntu, my mom on the other hand.... my sister can't do anything on any computer because, well... he's almost 2 ;)
[02:31] <tritium> PhantomFreak, yes.
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> besian: d/l the deb then sudo dpkg -i skype.deb
[02:31] <PhantomFreak> I actually ordewred some discs! Wonder if I can be bothered to wait for them to arrive!
[02:31] <Razor-X> but, then, my dad hates Linux anyways
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh my sis uses xp can has problems
[02:31] <Razor-X> so, whatever
[02:31] <Funraiser> besian, one sec
[02:31] <tritium> besian, in general, if the program is available in the reposotories, you'd use synaptic, or apt-get, or aptitude, rather than installing it manually with dpkg
[02:31] <Razor-X> this isn't my computer either, it's my dad's
[02:31] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: she "broke" her monitor
[02:31] <phoenixp3k> root password is not working! (help!)
[02:32] <IIIEars> bes, - try synaptic for -great if you are new. - settings >> repository >>"+Plus" >> "Universe community supported"
[02:32] <PhantomFreak> Completely different as you can see...
[02:32] <PhantomFreak> 77a1a8be45e0cc93a14c9b9bf00f6648
[02:32] <PhantomFreak> 0FE63FBFCCF1261C779ECEDA48DC0DDB
[02:32] <tritium> phoenixp3k, there is no root password
[02:32] <Razor-X> I double boot with a Windows partition
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: i had to go down there and turn it on
[02:32] <Razor-X> hybrid_goth: heh
[02:32] <Funraiser> besian, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[02:32] <Gatton> Hmmm maybe there should be a bot to count the number of times the 'root password' question is asked :)
[02:32] <tritium> phoenixp3k, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:32] <phoenixp3k> tritium, I leave a blank?
[02:32] <tritium> read the above URL
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> Gatton: 10001
[02:32] <BurgerMann> go to bed folkes
[02:32] <phoenixp3k> wasn't like that in Warty
[02:32] <tritium> Gatton, no kidding ;)
[02:32] <hybrid_goth> 100000001110101010101010101 in binary
[02:33] <tritium> phoenixp3k, always has been like that
[02:33] <Gatton> I should be quiet though cuz I'm a newbie too :)
[02:33] <hybrid_goth> heh
[02:33] <Razor-X> i'm new to UBuntu, but not to Linux
[02:33] <tritium> (even in Warty, phoenixp3k)
[02:33] <PhantomFreak> I've never found the root password either! And, I've tried all the obvious ones!
[02:33] <Razor-X> although, my Linux/BASH skills are rusty, it's been a while since i've used Linux
[02:33] <Razor-X> and, Ubuntu is just incredible incredible
[02:33] <hybrid_goth> 100000001110101010101010110 in binary
[02:33] <hybrid_goth> now
[02:34] <phoenixp3k> tritium
[02:34] <Razor-X> I really think Ubuntu should supercede Debian
[02:34] <Jormundgand> How do I desudo after sudo -i?
[02:34] <Funraiser> should?
[02:34] <phoenixp3k> tritium, I had to type a root password every time
[02:34] <tritium> ubuntu needs debian
[02:34] <hybrid_goth> yes
[02:34] <Razor-X> well, it's based on Debian
[02:34] <tritium> phoenixp3k, no, you had to type your user's password for sudo
[02:34] <Razor-X> I think Ubuntu should become the main project, and the old Debian shoudl become something different
[02:34] <Razor-X> just like Firefox to Mozilla
[02:34] <Razor-X> *should
[02:34] <thread> Jormundgand: exit?
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: no then we would never get releases
[02:35] <Gatton> I kind of like the idea of Debian soldiering on and other distros using it as a base to build something great on
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> they be like ubuntu is not Y3K compatible
[02:35] <Gatton> Besides...many people like the philosophy of the Debian project
[02:35] <phoenixp3k> tritium, but when I try to access configuration stuff, it ask for the password
[02:35] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - is to Debian what Wolfgang puck is to pizza - other debians are just frozen pizza - lol
[02:35] <tritium> phoenixp3k, please read that URL I gave you.  That has always been the root/sudo policy, including Warty.
[02:35] <zoddan> how do i start kismet ?
[02:36] <hybrid_goth> Gatton: yea debian is like modified kernal in a way
[02:36] <tritium> phoenixp3k, yes, but not a root password...the password of your user that has sudo priveleges
[02:36] <Razor-X> IIIEars: what if you make your own PizzaL
[02:36] <besian> Skype is killing me... dpkg: error processing skype (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:36] <Razor-X> *?
[02:36] <Funraiser> besian, u did http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[02:36] <Funraiser> ?
[02:36] <zoddan> i cant start kismet :(
[02:36] <besian> Funraiser yes i did the repos n all
[02:37] <BurgerMann> zoddan, can't u just write kismet in console?
[02:37] <zoddan> no
[02:37] <phoenixp3k> tritium, let's say no users have sudo privilege, because I never set any
[02:37] <BurgerMann> :S
[02:37] <zoddan> i get some errors
[02:37] <tritium> besian, if it's in a repo, use apt-get install, rather than download and use dpkg
[02:37] <FreeEagle> Hi all
[02:37] <phoenixp3k> tritium, Child terminated with 1 status
[02:37] <nobile> hi
[02:37] <tritium> phoenixp3k, the first user you added got sudo priveleges when you installed
[02:37] <Funraiser> besian, did u intall libqt3c102-mt ?
[02:37] <zoddan> BurgerMann: how do i configure kismet ?
[02:38] <tritium> phoenixp3k, have you read that URL yet?  Please quit arguing with me until you've gotten the facts.
[02:38] <FreeEagle> I have a question concerning Installing Firefox 1.4 the last one
[02:38] <BurgerMann> haven't got a clue =(
[02:38] <phoenixp3k> tritium, I'm reading it no worries
[02:38] <besian> Funraiser, it wont even let me do that: gstreamer0.8-lame: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) but it is not installable
[02:38] <polok> I'm trying to install sshd, but it says I don't have ssh installed (I do), and it says that openssh-server is uninstallable... I'm using Warty.
[02:39] <Funraiser> besian, do not use synaptic use sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[02:39] <Razor-X> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004VUGJ/102-6307602-9640151?v=glance&s=electronics&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&vi=pictures&img=1#more-pictures the trackball I want
[02:39] <PhantomFreak> Right, I think I'm going to call it a night! It's 1:38 here and I did promise myself I'd get up sometime before 11 tommorow! Thanks to all that helped me...
[02:39] <besian> Funraiser, i did do that... n i still get the same msg :(
[02:39] <Razor-X> I better sleep now, I have a fever so... I need to go to school tomorrow for the stupid French test
[02:40] <Funraiser> Razor-X, bonne chance!
[02:40] <sbcl3> does ubuntu not come with "gobject"?
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> Razor-X: heh g'nite
[02:40] <goldfish> avallach: you could try reconfiguring the X server, that worked for me.
[02:40] <FreeEagle> Anyone here can help me please!!!!
[02:40] <Funraiser> besian, don't know then
[02:40] <Razor-X> Funraiser: toi aussi
[02:40] <sbcl3> and its not in synaptic either
[02:40] <IIIEars> Razr, - Hope you are feeling better tommorow
[02:40] <Razor-X> day, everyone ;)
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> yo hablo expanol?
[02:40] <besian> meh guess ill just move to Novell or Mandrake... a lot easier for beginners
[02:40] <avallach> goldfish, do you mean by editing the xorg.conf?  thats what im trying.  im afraid im a bit of a novice (only slightly better than newb)
[02:40] <hybrid_goth> ?yo hablo expanol?
[02:40] <tritium> FreeEagle, you're always welcome to ask.  If someone knows how to help, they'll answer.
[02:40] <Funraiser> besian, maybe u should upgrade to hoary first...(?)
[02:41] <besian> Funraiser, how do i do that?
[02:41] <dockane> "EXT2-fs warning (device hda2): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2" .... do i have to worry about something ?
[02:41] <besian> Funraiser, and i just got Ununtu like a week ago
[02:41] <goldfish> avallach: insted of manually editing it, you can try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' console based tool for editing it
[02:41] <Razor-X> *ton aussi ;)
[02:41] <FreeEagle> okay.... tritium , thanks, i am asking if there is anyway to install the last Version of Firefox easly and without problems for a Newbie in Linux
[02:41] <tritium> hybrid_goth, you just asked yourself if you speak spanish
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> yup
[02:42] <FreeEagle> Can anyone here guide me to do it please!!!
[02:42] <Funraiser> besian, a week ago and it's warty?
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> FreeEagle: ubuntuguide.org ubuntuforums.org
[02:42] <besian> Funraiser, i dont know what warty is bro
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> heh
[02:42] <Funraiser> guys what the apt-get line to upgrade to hoary from warty?
[02:42] <K_Dallas> under debian i only got the installer and it did a fine job
[02:42] <FreeEagle> hybrid_goth, thxm will check it now
[02:42] <tritium> hybrid_goth, and how did you answer yourself?
[02:42] <hybrid_goth> besian: do a uname -a
[02:43] <Janux> Hi, does anyone here use LTSP? the ubuntu repository has 0.10-2 version only but the most updated is 4.1, do you know that if Ubuntu stops supporting that?
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> tritium: no i didnt put the leading ?
[02:43] <besian> hybrid_goth just username -a?
[02:43] <Funraiser> besian, click system/about ubuntu
[02:43] <FreeEagle> thx for help!!! Bye
[02:43] <hybrid_goth> ?yo hablo expanol? si
[02:43] <tritium> hybrid_goth, and it would have been inverted...
[02:44] <TwoBitSprite> so, I did "dpkg -r wine" then added the winehq.com repository and did "apt-get install wine winetools" and winetools still doesn't work... same infinate loop
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> tritium: yes
[02:44] <besian> elcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04 : The Hoary Hedgehog Release.
[02:44] <nobile> hablo espaol? Si
[02:44] <besian> Funraiser, welcome to Ubuntu Linux 5.04 : The Hoary Hedgehog Release.
[02:44] <hybrid_goth> accent on the i
[02:44] <odyssey> TwoBitSprite, if you mix the wine in the universe and wine from winehq.com then that happens
[02:44] <TwoBitSprite> how do I remove the one frm universe? I thought I uninstalled it?
[02:44] <avallach> goldfish, ...at 1280x1024 it only gave me the option for 60hz for some reason.
[02:44] <nobile> that is correct =)
[02:45] <goldfish> ugh
[02:45] <goldfish> :/
[02:45] <Funraiser> besian, i'll try to install skype on mine to see if it works
[02:45] <nobile> hablo espaol? S
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> heh
[02:45] <besian> Funraiser, ok thanks
[02:45] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, "sudo aptitude install wine=0.0.20050310-1"
[02:45] <hybrid_goth> nobile: kool
[02:45] <nobile> latin is cool
[02:46] <Funraiser> besian, u did add the extra-repositories didn't u?
[02:46] <hybrid_goth> lol
[02:46] <nobile> you know latin and you can understand about 5 more languages
[02:46] <besian> Funraiser, im not sure... lemme double check
[02:46] <hybrid_goth> i speak xml html some c /java/ c++ then php xhtml javascript
[02:46] <nobile> french, italian, spanish, portuguese, some other more probably
[02:46] <hybrid_goth> unix
[02:47] <karljp> I only speak one languge
[02:47] <karljp> binary
[02:47] <dockane> it looks like i have got a dying hd, thats why i need to backup /home. my qestion is it really that easy, that i'll 'cp /home' to i.e. a sambamount and than move it back after a new ubuntu instlallation ?
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> to me xml xhtml html is like english spanish latin if you get me
[02:47] <pirving> what do I use for P2P in Ubuntu???
[02:47] <pirving> I usually use gtk-gnutella
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> there 10 ppl in this world those who know binary and those who dont
[02:47] <hybrid_goth> bittorrent
[02:48] <Funraiser> pirving, u can install amule too
[02:48] <avallach> 10 types of ppl
[02:48] <pirving> so just use torrent?
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> or amule or limewire
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> oprions options options
[02:48] <besian> damn im fucken tired of gettin errors just to install freakin Skype
[02:48] <hybrid_goth> *options
[02:48] <pirving> can someone work on the GTK-GNUTELLA bug
[02:49] <Funraiser> besian, the installation is a breeze here...
[02:49] <odyssey> besain should only be one error about libqt multi threaded library
[02:49] <tritium> besian, please watch the language?
[02:49] <alka_trash> hey ubunters is anyone running descent3?
[02:49] <Owl^> descent3? native? windows?
[02:49] <besian> ecxuse me
[02:49] <alka_trash> loki
[02:49] <pirving> All I can think is BSD
[02:50] <bitsmash> hi
[02:50] <bitsmash> no gnome menu editor yet?
[02:50] <besian> Funraiser, maybe i should reinstall ubuntu... when i tried installin the extra repos... my files look different from the one on the guide
[02:50] <Funraiser> besian, no don't do that
[02:50] <avallach> I don't suppose anyone here has an NEC LCD1712 monitor & can share their xorg.conf file?
[02:51] <Funraiser> besian, u followed the steps in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:51] <Funraiser> ?
[02:51] <pirving> why is Ubuntu rated # 1 on www.distrowatch.com
[02:51] <alka_trash> I'm not able to get it to run non-root and the update doesn't work either
[02:51] <Funraiser> cose Ubuntu rulezz
[02:51] <Owl^> ubuntu rules, that's so true
[02:51] <TwoBitSprite> gaaah!!!! why can't any of this just work?
[02:51] <Owl^> I have hoary
[02:51] <pirving> ok, real quick....how does the rpm work?
[02:51] <pirving> good?
[02:52] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, did you do what I showed you?
[02:52] <Owl^> everything works I want to (including two soundcards and a tv-out)
[02:52] <hybrid_goth> tritium: are you using breezy?
[02:52] <besian> Funraiser, i tried... but when that file opens where im supposed to uncomment those lines... mine look very different from the one on the guide
[02:52] <Funraiser> besian, if u did follow the steps, then your source list is saved in /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[02:52] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, yes... and now winetools complains about files not existing, etc...
[02:52] <tritium> hybrid_goth, no, not yet.  I intend to setup a breezy chroot and continue to use hoary.
[02:53] <hybrid_goth> whats chroot
[02:53] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, you removed wine from universe (sudo aptitude purge wine), and then "sudo aptitude install wine=0.0.20050310-1"?
[02:53] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, I didn't see you say anything about purgeing... :P
[02:53] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, well, at least remove it
[02:54] <polok> ok
[02:54] <Funraiser> besian, do it again, but paste what's on the sample
[02:54] <Owl^> winetools? that's a wine matter, not ubuntumatter
[02:54] <polok> I can't get sshd >_<
[02:54] <polok> I'm going to use a debian source
[02:54] <tritium> hybrid_goth, search the wiki/google for it ;)
[02:54] <polok> I can't find any literature to tell me otherwise >_<
[02:54] <hybrid_goth> ok
[02:54] <LeeColleton> has anyone tried to install Ubuntu on one of those $498 WalMart laptops?
[02:54] <tritium> polok, you're advised not to, though
[02:55] <garnertr> goodevening
[02:55] <Owl^> polok, I said just "apt-get install ssh" and I got an ssh-server
[02:55] <tritium> polok, if you want sshd, apt-cache search sshd, and you'll see that you need openssh-server (or the ssh metapackage, which depends on it)
[02:55] <hybrid_goth> YaST is for novices
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> LP
[02:56] <hybrid_goth> :P
[02:56] <avallach> i guess thats me then, cuz i cant get my video working right.
[02:56] <polok> I get told openssh is a broken package
[02:56] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, ok, purged wine, then installed wine per the command you provided... anything special I should use to install winetools?
[02:56] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, or just "sudo apt-get install winetools"?
[02:57] <hybrid_goth> avallach: have you searched the wiki and forums
[02:57] <avallach> ubuntu starts in 1024x768 @ 60hz, and wont let me change anything through the gui...i play with xorg.conf, and i get either 1280x1024@60hz or 1024x768@70hz.  cant get 1280x1024@70.
[02:57] <avallach> googled it, thats about it so far.
[02:57] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, sure, apt-get will work (I prefer aptitude)
[02:57] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, and, is there anything I need to run before winetools, once its installed?
[02:58] <polok> it now refuses to install because the version of openssh-client I have is .1 newer than the version it wants >:(
[02:58] <IcemanV9> LeeColleton: bring livecd to WalMart and see if it works :)
[02:58] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, nope, just winetools, and step through the base setup, etc. in order.
[02:58] <GhostFreeman> How can I check what version of the ATI drivers I am running?
[02:59] <besian> lol seriously my ybuntu wont lemme install anything
[02:59] <goldfish> hehe
[02:59] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, do I need to run winetools as sudo? it's now complaining about permissions...
[02:59] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, no...
[02:59] <polok> downgrading now =\
[02:59] <besian> oh we;re gonna need more than advil lol
[02:59] <TwoBitSprite> rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/wine/dosdevices/c:/windows/command/start.exe': Permission denied
[02:59] <TwoBitSprite> Warning: failed to create /usr/lib/wine/dosdevices/c:/windows/command/start.exe
[02:59] <TwoBitSprite> that's a lot of times with different filenames
[03:00] <odyssey> TwoBitSprite, you are not suppose to run winetools as sudo
[03:00] <Funraiser> besian, do the extra-repos again, by copy/paste what's on the sample
[03:00] <besian> Funraiser, i did that... n i still get the same problems
[03:00] <tritium> besian, sounds like your /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be checked
[03:00] <tritium> polok, are you mixing package from debian/warty/hoary or someting?
[03:00] <TwoBitSprite> odyssey, I'm not, but it's complaining about permissions
[03:01] <tritium> something
[03:01] <LeeColleton> IcemanV9: hell yeah!
[03:01] <pirving> ok, so what do you use for a torrent search?
[03:02] <pirving> www.torrentreactor.net ?
[03:02] <polok> tritium: nope debian not in here
[03:02] <goldfish> pirving: www.torrentspy.com
[03:02] <besian> tritium, i dont even have /etc/apt lol
[03:02] <pirving> ok
[03:02] <goldfish> best one i know of
[03:02] <Owl^> ubuntu rocks
[03:02] <tritium> polok, you shouldn't be need to downgrade anything
[03:02] <TwoBitSprite> odyssey, any idea why I'm having permission problems when running winetools?
[03:02] <tritium> besian, you have to...look again.  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:02] <polok> tritium: it's telling me my version of openssh-client is too new for openssh-server
[03:03] <TwoBitSprite> and why is wine even messing with /usr/lib anyways??
[03:03] <tritium> polok, you're not using breezy I hope
[03:03] <polok> tritium: nope, but I just figured out the problem (I think)
[03:04] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, I don't know.  Not sure what could be causing that.
[03:04] <Owl^> is breezy how stable nowadays?
[03:04] <polok> the problem isn't with ubuntu, but I must be going blind
[03:04] <IcemanV9> LeeColleton: you might convince some ppl to use ubuntu instead of windoze; you'll be hero for ubuntu community ;)
[03:04] <dcraven> Any GNOME user wanna test my crappy alpha quality project? heh
[03:04] <Funraiser> i convinced myself, does that count?
[03:04] <techii> ?
[03:04] <dcraven> Owl^: No it's not just yet.
[03:04] <techii> dcraven: what is it?
[03:05] <besian> tritium, i have sources.list_extrarepos and sources.list_backportsrepos...
[03:05] <dcraven> techii: it's a serverless wiki applet.
[03:05] <tritium> besian, you need  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:05] <techii> basicly a note applet?
[03:05] <Owl^> dcraven, ok. I just wanted to know that if I updated my sources.list to breezy, would I be happier or sadder?
[03:06] <tritium> Owl^, likely sadder -- see the topic.
[03:06] <besian> tritium, ok i found it... now what?
[03:06] <dcraven> Owl^: Very sad :(
[03:06] <tga> can anyone please take a look at qce-source?
[03:06] <Owl^> dcraven, it says, please don't use breezy yet
[03:06] <tga> I can't get it to compile
[03:07] <avallach> hrm.  i have another computer on an identical monitor with SuSE...it runs just fine.  im so retarded.
[03:07] <TwoBitSprite> I think I'm just going to reinstall Ubuntu... I think I just messed the whole thing up by hacking at the wine crap so hard...
[03:07] <dcraven> techii: Kinda.. But like a wiki. You give it wiki syntax, it gives you xhtml.
[03:07] <ajmitch_> Owl^: expect many breakages at present
[03:07] <tritium> besian, check it for universe and multiverse repos.  What is it you're trying to install?
[03:07] <tritium> take heart, TwoBitSprite :)
[03:07] <Owl^> ajmitch_, thanks... but I was already expecting them... only about 5 months till another release of ubuntu, so no go
[03:08] <TwoBitSprite> tritium, it's ok... I'm a pro at the linux install/mess-up/reinstall cycle :P
[03:08] <besian> tritium, i have all the websites under UNIVERSE uncommented... but i dont have a multiverse anywhere...?
[03:08] <bitsmash> whats a good text editor for python programming?
[03:08] <tritium> TwoBitSprite, :)
[03:08] <dcraven> techii: I'm not a huge fan of Tomboy, but I think the idea is good, so I wrote this one.
[03:08] <TwoBitSprite> I'll be back with a new install, and whole new slew of problems for you all in a bit :)
[03:09] <tritium> besian, you can add it if you like.  See ubuntuguide.org for how to add extra repositories.  (note that I don't advocate ubuntuguide for much beyond that)
[03:09] <techii> Im not quite 'in the mood for testing stuff' right now
[03:09] <nqt> is there a way to find the model of an IDE device using udevinfo?
[03:09] <techii> Im away from my main machine
[03:09] <dcraven> techii: That's ok, I'll find some other poor sap :P
[03:09] <crimsun> nqt: that info should be available via dmesg
[03:10] <Owl^> damn, I would wanna be in on helping getting a) ubuntu and b) wine to the level I want them to be... I have talents, but it seems not enough. anyhow... I want all to be a part of something larger, ubuntu as an example (I don't know when to stop so I'll stop now - currently I'd want to backspace all of I have said, so goodbye) :D
[03:10] <nqt> crimsun, it's already passed the buffer..
[03:10] <GhostFreeman> how do i install a .rpm file
[03:10] <crimsun> nqt: even /var/log/dmesg?
[03:11] <techii> GhostFreeman: look at 'alien'
[03:11] <GhostFreeman> ok
[03:11] <nqt> crimsun, d'oh, that'll work, thanks :)
[03:12] <mz2> besian, Eclipse with Pydev is a good Python editor
[03:12] <techii> GhostFreeman: Haven't used it myself, so ask someone else if you need more details
[03:13] <Janux> Does anyone use LTSP?
[03:15] <GhostFreeman> k
[03:15] <onekill> what program do you guys like to use to listen to internet radio?
[03:15] <Funraiser> i use xine
[03:15] <difekta> i need help with a quandary.
[03:16] <difekta> i just got my 250gb drive in, only it's not sata like it was supposed to be.  is there any way i could install ubuntu and many many apps on it, and then transfer everything to a new drive and then ship this one back for a refund?
[03:16] <GhostFreeman> are the ATI drivers on universe up to date?
[03:16] <difekta> i don't want to install a bunch of stuff that is a waste of time.
[03:17] <techii> difekta: yes IF you know what you are doing
[03:17] <dcraven> merriam wanted to test my proggy... Where did he go? hmmm
[03:19] <Funraiser> all right bye all
[03:19] <zoddan> damn i cant start GUI kismet :/
[03:19] <zoddan> some stupid perl error
[03:20] <zoddan> but i have installed perl
[03:20] <corvix> well ... good evening
[03:22] <goldfish> morning
[03:22] <gepp1> Why is Ximian Evolution so incredibly slow?
[03:22] <difekta> i'm going to put three hard drives and a cdrom in my sff case
[03:22] <difekta> maybe i could just take this flash drive out because it's so useless.
[03:22] <difekta> what good is a drive for memery sticks.  everything is usb flash.
[03:23] <crimsun> difekta: I'm currently using a Lexar JumpDrive. It works fine with all versions of Ubuntu.
[03:23] <tga> does anyone have a few minutes to help me test gnomemeeting?
[03:23] <g14> I'm a big fan of SanDisk, I've seen 2 Lexar drives corrupt
[03:24] <crimsun> YMMV (your mileage may vary)
[03:24] <tritium> difekta, I also have a Lexar JumpDrive (Trio)
[03:24] <Janux> Hi, when I configure my network card IP in KDE, where does it save the data to? /etc/network/interfaces? but the IP there does not match.
[03:24] <waterbeetle> I'm new to Ubuntu, and I'm having a problem with all problems in gnome that require a password...  I have chek'd passwords, and have been entering my main user's password as well as root's.  Any Ideas?
[03:24] <waterbeetle> programs
[03:25] <waterbeetle> gnomemeeting?
[03:25] <goldfish> maybe u have to run them with the sudo command?
[03:25] <tga> like netmeeting but for gnome, eh
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv
[03:26] <tritium> waterbeetle, you enabled the root account?
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> copy and paste that link into totem
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> make sure you have w32codecs
[03:26] <difekta> i never said my flash drive wouldn't work.
[03:26] <difekta> just that it's utterly useless.
[03:26] <tga> thechitowncubs: what's that supposed to be?
[03:26] <waterbeetle> yes, I have been running through terminal, then running su, and then whatever program...
[03:26] <difekta> no one has a flash drive to plug your media nito
[03:26] <crimsun> waterbeetle: graphical apps that require root access should use gksudo app; cli ones should use sudo app
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> It is XBOX 360 unveiled.
[03:26] <tga> does it run linux?
[03:27] <difekta> look how ebuyer.com screwed me over making me think i was buying an sata drive: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=161418
[03:27] <waterbeetle> tritium, howtocheck if root is enabled?  (It should be.)
[03:27] <difekta> does that, or does it not, say that the category is s-ata?
[03:27] <cappe> hey guys.. do you know the path the the folder with the header-files to the kernel that Ubuntu Hoary is running? (the kernel is 2.6.10-5)
[03:28] <crimsun> cappe: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:28] <mez> Qwik Q: I want to use the latest version of wine, but ti doesnt seem to be in apt-get - howdo i make this choose the right wine - so i can try and play a game
[03:30] <cappe> crimsun, cool, cheers
[03:30] <garnertr> yawn
[03:31] <mez> i cant seemt o find winex in the apt-get either
[03:31] <mez> am i missing something
[03:31] <tritium> waterbeetle, it should be?  meaning you enabled it?  (by defualt it's disabled: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo)
[03:31] <crimsun> no. Please see http://www.transgaming.com or #cedega
[03:31] <Burgundavia> mez, winex is now cedega
[03:32] <mez> yeah i cant find cedega either :d
[03:32] <mez> E: Couldn't find package cedega
[03:32] <waterbeetle> tritium, thanks I'll check that out
[03:32] <wastrel> can anyone explain to me why i can never connect to wifi under linux?
[03:33] <wastrel> also how do i put in a WEP key & password?
[03:33] <tga> wastrel: what card do you have and what is the error?
[03:33] <tga> wastrel: if you don't put in a WEP key you can't talk to the AP
[03:33] <nubious> Hey I seem to remember ubuntu coming with VNC Server..  anyone clue me in on where it's at?
[03:33] <tga> nubious: apt-cache search vncserver
[03:33] <nubious> cool
[03:33] <nubious> thx
[03:33] <waterbeetle> tritium, I had previously installed Ubuntu, and never had these problems, it would ask for the password, and I would enter it no problem...
[03:34] <bob2> wastrel: er, if your AP requires WEP, and you haven't set it up, it's not surprising you can't connect...
[03:34] <wastrel> tga intel pro/wireless 2200bg and no error it just doesn't do anything
[03:34] <nubious> tga: just xvncviewer, which states its a client
[03:34] <tga> nubious: apt-get install tightvncserver or something
[03:34] <nubious> I thought it came installed in the hoary release
[03:34] <wastrel> bob2:  the ap i tried tonight needs a wep key the other ones i've tried are open and i can log in with windows but not with linux.
[03:35] <nubious> doesn't it go by the name of vino or something?
[03:35] <nubious> that helps thoi
[03:35] <nubious> I'll poke around
[03:35] <wastrel> i'm using the gnome configuration dealy
[03:35] <bob2> wastrel: are they MAC-locked?  can you connect with the exact same machine?
[03:35] <wastrel> exact machine i reboot into doze
[03:35] <tga> nubious: I always do a 'server' install so I can't tell you about default packages
[03:35] <FAR> waterbeetle:  you need to use sudo not su
[03:35] <bob2> wastrel: how did you try to connect to it?
[03:35] <tga> are there even drivers for intel wifi cards? don't you need the wrapper thingie?
[03:36] <difekta> what is "cs enabled" on my hard drive?
[03:36] <nub_away> hmmm
[03:36] <tga> counterstrike?
[03:36] <difekta> i don't know whether to put the header on it.
[03:36] <nub_away> it seems to be installed
[03:36] <nub_away> now
[03:36] <nub_away> where to find it
[03:36] <FAR> tga: there are, ipw2100 and ipw2200
[03:36] <bob2> nub_away: x11vnc appears to be what you want
[03:36] <difekta> it's one of the jumpers
[03:36] <tritium> waterbeetle, that password is your user's password, not a root password.
[03:36] <bob2> tga: they work out of the box with ubuntu
[03:36] <wastrel> bob2 i use the gnome network connection tool
[03:36] <waterbeetle> tritium , yes I know.
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> 100000001110101010101010111 in binary
[03:36] <wastrel> bob2:  network-admin i think
[03:36] <bob2> wastrel: well, ignore that
[03:36] <difekta> what is the jumper labeled "cs enabled" on my hard drive?
[03:36] <tga> bob2: nice
[03:37] <tritium> hybrid_goth, that is binary ;)
[03:37] <bob2> difekta: cable-select
[03:37] <waterbeetle> it gives me this error: Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator:
[03:37] <difekta> ahh
[03:37] <waterbeetle>  Child terminated with 1 status
[03:37] <bob2> difekta: it decides if it's a master or slave based on where on the ide cable it is
[03:37] <g14> What is the debian equivalent of init 1 and then init 5?
[03:37] <CarlK> trying to install (so build unless someone knows of a .deb) http://synergy2.sourceforge.net and it needs "X11R4 or up headers and libraries" - what do I apt-get?
[03:37] <bob2> wastrel: run "sudo iwconfig eth1 essid blah", where eth1 is the wireless interface and blah is the ssid
[03:37] <tga> g14: what is that supposed to do? why not just reboot?
[03:37] <g14> tga: to keep the uptime
[03:37] <bob2> g14: 1 is single user in Debian
[03:38] <GhostFreeman> how do I install fglrx
[03:38] <bob2> g14: please don't tell me you're installing nvidia drivers
[03:38] <bob2> GhostFreeman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> tritium: thats how many times the root question has been asked
[03:38] <Kallus> I tried to remove ubuntur from my computer by deleting its partition with Partition Magic. Now, when I start up my computer, it tells me GRUB error 22. What do I do?
[03:38] <bob2> GhostFreeman: pretty sure that's in the FAQ
[03:38] <bob2> CarlK: install build-essential and xlibs-dev
[03:38] <g14> bob2: No, I was playing with xdamage and xcomposite and cvs xorg
[03:38] <gepp1> How can I fix the whole "Evolution being slow" thing?
[03:38] <tritium> hybrid_goth, ah, okay.  Yes, it has been asked many times...
[03:38] <g14> bob2: I don't want to reboot but need to kill and restart everything
[03:38] <GhostFreeman> trying to upgrade my ATI drivers and I'm getting all kinds of hell
[03:38] <bob2> Kallus: reinstall a bootloader
[03:38] <tga> gepp1: by getting a better machine?
[03:38] <g14> I'm still not familar with the BSD init
[03:38] <bob2> GhostFreeman: read that page then
[03:38] <CarlK> bob2- thanks
[03:38] <Kallus> how'd i do that?
[03:39] <bob2> g14: er, it's sysv, not bsd init
[03:39] <wastrel> bob2 nothing happens
[03:39] <bob2> g14: if you want to kill everything, go to level 1
[03:39] <gepp1> tga: My machine is fast enough, thanks.  Evolution is _slow_ on my box;  everything else runs perfectly.
[03:39] <bob2> wastrel: indeed. now run "sudo dhclient eth1" (assuming eth1 is your wireless nic)
[03:39] <bob2> gepp1: you're using hoary, right?
[03:39] <gepp1> bob2: Right.
[03:39] <tritium> g14, you can sudo telinit 1, and then when it asks, I believe it's Ctrl-D to return to runlevel 2 (it'll ask you)
[03:39] <g14> bob2: So init 1 and then init 2 will work?
[03:40] <bob2> g14: guess so
[03:40] <g14> tritium, I am familar with runlevels since the redhat 5 days :)
[03:40] <g14> ok thanks guys
[03:40] <bob2> but saving your uptime is kinda silly
[03:40] <g14> bob2, No, I have a bet going on
[03:40] <tritium> g14, okay, but debian derivatives don't use runlevel 5, for example.
[03:40] <Kallus> bob2: How do I reinstall a bootloader? Do I download grub onto a disk and boot from it?
[03:40] <bob2> Kallus: no
[03:40] <wastrel> looks like it's not getting a resp from dhcp server
[03:40] <bob2> Kallus: you use whatever OS you have on there now to create it
[03:40] <bob2> wastrel: this is an open ap, right?
[03:41] <Kallus> bob2: so if i wanna boot to winxp, how would i do that without grub giving me errors?
[03:41] <Deffie> anyone tried openoffice2 ?
[03:41] <Kallus> how would i just remove grub from the boot list.
[03:42] <bob2> Kallus: you boot to xp and install it's bootloader
[03:42] <bob2> Kallus: if you don't have a windows boot disk, well that was silly
[03:42] <CarlK> Deffie - I used have been using OO 2 for a few months - so far no problems
[03:42] <^thehatsrule^> Kallus, you can use the windows recovery on the cd
[03:42] <bob2> perhaps hitting "escape" during the boot at the right time and selecting windows from the grub menu will work
[03:44] <nub_away> ahhhh   - got it - VNC in ubuntu is listed as 'vino' (the gnome version)
[03:44] <hybrid_goth> i just did a smbtree and found the host name of the computer i want to connect to now how do i connect?
[03:44] <hybrid_goth> or get the files rather
[03:45] <Deffie> CarlK good, i'm not an advanced user of the office suite but i installed ubuntu to a friend which decided to leave windows and since he told me that OO 1 misses some functionalities of ms office suite i thought to try OO2, is it having new functionalities ?
[03:45] <gepp1> hybrid_goth: Nautilus smb://user ?
[03:45] <ghostfreeman> I need some serious help
[03:45] <ghostfreeman> I screwed up xorg (again) and now I can't get into GNOME
[03:46] <bob2> why did you modify the config at all?
[03:46] <ghostfreeman> I was trying to install the new ATI drivers
[03:46] <ghostfreeman> and on first attempt they didnt compile right
[03:46] <bob2> lordy
[03:46] <bob2> read the how to I gave you
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> gepp1: i have the name of the computer and it shows the file is shared so how do i get to it? it is on my network
[03:47] <kyncani> ghostfreeman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:47] <bob2> that won't help
[03:47] <gepp1> hybrid_goth: Did you try using nautilus to go to "smb://thenameofthecomputerthatyoufound"?
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> yes
[03:47] <bob2> if you've mucked up the config, dpkg will refuse to touch it
[03:47] <ghostfreeman> why is it so hard for universe to update the drivers
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> h/o ill try again
[03:48] <kyncani> bob2: dpkg will overwrite the config, without even looking at it
[03:48] <bob2> no, it won't
[03:48] <bob2> ghostfreeman: that's not what universe is for
[03:48] <waterbeetle> ghostfreeman, can you enter the command prompt?
[03:49] <wastrel_> so ideally i would be able to just use a nice GUI to manage my wireless.  is there something i can install?
[03:49] <bob2> ghostfreeman: why do you want the ones that came out yesterday?
[03:49] <ghostfreeman> yes, I cna
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> grepp1: got it ty
[03:49] <ghostfreeman> glitching in game
[03:49] <bob2> wastrel: so, did you try what I suggested or not?
[03:49] <waterbeetle> ghostfreeman, use view (or vi, a text editor) to manipulate your xorg file
[03:49] <ghostfreeman> and change what settings?
[03:50] <wastrel_> bob2:  yes it seemed to connect but i couldnt tell because my routing table got screwed up & i coldn't get out to the net at all.
[03:50] <g14> wastrel_: try wifi radar
[03:50] <wastrel_> this is the same machine as i'm typing on atm.
[03:50] <wastrel_> got it plugged in to ethernet atm
[03:50] <bob2> wastrel_: lordy
[03:50] <bob2> wastrel_: dhclient will wipe out the routing table
[03:50] <waterbeetle> ghostfreeman, before you do, what is the error message?
[03:50] <bob2> wastrel_: so, did it work or not?
[03:51] <bob2> wastrel_: the point of doing this is to establish where the problem is
[03:51] <ghostfreeman> it says X server couldn't be started. I didn't write the message down
[03:51] <wastrel_> well i couldn't get to the net at all.
[03:51] <nub_away> ok now my next question regarding VNC - I have the vino server configured in gnome now, but it requires me to have a session (gnome) started before I can connect - how can I set it up to run at boot without the fuss of loging into a gnome session on the local machine FIRST?
[03:51] <wastrel_> ah right you're not a mind reader.  i should say i can get online with my AP at home.
[03:51] <bob2> wastrel_: was it an open ap or not?
[03:51] <Mez> *sighs*
[03:51] <wastrel_> so the hardware and drivers are functional
[03:51] <Mez> can anyone here help me with wine errors
[03:52] <nubious> does anyone know if I can do that with vino, or do I need the actual vncserver ?
[03:52] <wastrel_> bob2 i'm told it's an open ap but didn't want to reboot to check w/ 'doze
[03:52] <bob2> wastrel_: that should have been part of your initial question
[03:52] <waterbeetle> ghost, go to /etc/X11
[03:52] <wastrel_> bob2 i also have an ap with a wep key and a password that i can try
[03:52] <ajmitch_> afternoon bob2 :)
[03:52] <ghostfreeman> I can't while running irssi, can I?
[03:52] <wastrel_> but don't see anywhere to put this info in the gnome network admin gui
[03:52] <waterbeetle> there should be a log file, it tells what the error is
[03:52] <ghostfreeman> ok
[03:53] <gepp1> nubious: As far as I know, that's not possible.
[03:53] <goldfish> try reconfiguring X server?
[03:53] <nubious> gepp1: hmm..  I've heard differently from people.. I'll poke around some more..
[03:53] <ghostfreeman> should the log file say best how to fix it? or should I write it down and come back here?
[03:53] <waterbeetle> also there should be your old xorg.conf file
[03:53] <nubious> gepp1: not neccessarily with vino persay, but with vncserver in general...  but yeah.. you could very well be right
[03:53] <bob2> ajmitch_: aloha
[03:53] <gepp1> nubious: http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/howitworks.html
[03:54] <ghostfreeman> ok
[03:54] <nubious> gepp1: what would you pose as an alternative to vnc then for remote control of a gnome session?
[03:54] <Deffie> i'm having a problem with an epson stylus color 640...it prints grey instead of black...
[03:54] <nubious> gepp1: there a 'remote gnome' prog out there somewhere?
[03:54] <gepp1> nubious: remote control for a gnome session?
[03:54] <nubious> well
[03:54] <gepp1> nubious: Oh, vnc.
[03:54] <nubious> my setup goes like this
[03:54] <waterbeetle> if you see your old xorg.conf and just want to change back to that I can help you do that...
[03:54] <nubious> I have a windows machine
[03:54] <gepp1> nubious: I thought you were saying before you logged into X.
[03:54] <gepp1> nubious: Sorry.
[03:54] <ghostfreeman> what's the command to copy over the backup xorg file?
[03:54] <nubious> well
[03:54] <nubious> I mean, I'd LIKE to not have to login to X
[03:54] <nubious> (on the local machine)
[03:54] <geppy> nubious: ssh is fun
[03:55] <nubious> just start up a session via my windows machine
[03:55] <nubious> I have that setup too
[03:55] <nubious> I mean I guess it's not that big a deal
[03:55] <nubious> here's what I would like to accomplish though
[03:55] <nubious> if my girlfriend is playing games in gnome
[03:55] <geppy> nubious: Sorry to ask the obvious, but why not use ssh to start up vnc when you need it?
[03:55] <nubious> Iw ant to be able to have a seperate gnome session on my machine that I can control - my gf would be sitting on the local machine tho
[03:55] <geppy> nubious: You could have a second X server, if that's what you're wanting.
[03:55] <waterbeetle> hmmm.. I don't know that command either.. I'm a newb...  but I would open it with vi xorg(oldfilename)
[03:56] <nubious> geppy: I didn't realise that was an option..  see from what I understand, 'vino' autostarts with gnome..  how do I setup a second x server?
[03:56] <geppy> nubious: startx -- :2
[03:56] <ghostfreeman> and save it as the exsisting xorg file?
[03:56] <nubious> cool
[03:56] <nubious> I'll check that out
[03:56] <nubious> one sec
[03:56] <waterbeetle> then I would use the command :w xorg.conf
[03:56] <waterbeetle> yup
[03:56] <ChrisC_> howdy folks ... what command-line apt command do I use to see what version of a package is installed?
[03:56] <ghostfreeman> ok. I'll do that.
[03:56] <waterbeetle> then :q (quit out of there)
[03:56] <nub_brb> just checking the man
[03:56] <waterbeetle> :)
[03:56] <geppy> chrisc_: apt-cache policy foo
[03:56] <elfowl> I can't even find my floppy, where do I look for my devices?  please
[03:56] <ghostfreeman> Thank you. I'll be back shortly in GNOME (hopefully)
[03:56] <geppy> ChrisC_: or 'dpkg -l  | grep foo'
[03:57] <ChrisC_> geppy: thanks, that worked!
[03:57] <waterbeetle> no prob
[03:57] <geppy> ChrisC_: You're welcome. :)
[03:57] <alexander_> elfowl: click Places on the system bar, then Computer, that's where my floppy is anyhow
[03:57] <geppy> Am I the only person who feels that evolution is incredibly slow?  If I give one of my contacts a picture, it takes a good fifteen seconds to _start_ drawing the contact list, and that's with just _one_ contact image... which isn't even drawn to the screen!
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> geppy: i unistalled it evolution sux
[03:59] <elfowl> alexander_, tks , i'm coming from mdk and a little lost aty present
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> geppy: thunderbird
[03:59] <geppy> hybrid_goth: Thank you for that insight.
[03:59] <wastrel_> k thx bye
[03:59] <dip> im confused about star wars, the order is 4,5,6 and then 1,2 came out now ending with episode 3?
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> geppy: anytime
[03:59] <geppy> hybrid_goth: haha
[03:59] <alexander_> elfowl: ahh, no problem, I actually finished my install about 10 minutes ago, you wouldn't happen to know why I can't find my 2nd hard drive?
[04:00] <hybrid_goth> :D
[04:00] <dingo> is it possible to set up Gnome so that what currently is the desktop is different for each workspace ??
[04:00] <alexander_> or anyone for that matter, anyone know where to find my second physical volume?
[04:00] <alexander_> not in /mnt, which is where I've had luck in the past
[04:01] <poningru> hi gotta question about adding an application under my internet menu
[04:01] <poningru> how do you add something?
[04:01] <ghostfreeman> No luck on backup, but I got the errors logged
[04:01] <alexander_> dingo: I've done it in other distros, but I haven't tried it in ubuntu yet
[04:01] <ghostfreeman> (EE) Failed to load module
[04:01] <poningru> ok well I will be back in a sec
[04:01] <alexander_> dingo: probably
[04:01] <ghostfreeman> (EE) Failed to load module "xtt" (module does not exsist, 0)
[04:02] <poningru> hopefully someone has an answer for me
[04:02] <geppy> Hopefully someone has a logical reason why Evolution is so slow.
[04:02] <ghostfreeman> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exsist, 0)
[04:02] <alexander_> lol, we have too many problems, not enough answers
[04:03] <ghostfreeman> I need these two modules, and I don't know where to get them
[04:03] <elfowl> alexander_, can't answer, I'm still on the live disc,  maybe thats why no floppy showing in Computer
[04:04] <shiv> please help
[04:04] <alexander_> well, my second physical volume is shown in the device manager
[04:04] <alexander_> so I know ubuntu sees it, now how can i get at it
[04:05] <shiv> I installed kubuntu yesterday, was able to run wireless internet fine on the 1st boot, after reboot I am not able to
[04:05] <shiv> it asks for admin privileges, bt I only get the splash screen on control center
[04:05] <shiv> I did what it says in the support forum but in vain
[04:06] <shiv> i reinstaled the system again today but am back to square 1 :9
[04:06] <alexander_> heh
[04:06] <ghostfreeman> i am screwed if i cant get back into GNOME
[04:06] <alexander_> i wish I could help
[04:07] <ghostfreeman> isnt there some way I can completely restore xorg to a point where I had no fglrx
[04:08] <dcraven> shiv: I have a feeling this control center you speak of is KDE specific.. Have you asked in #kubuntu?
[04:08] <gijosh> XMMS freezes everytime I try to play a .pls file.  It didn't happen before I upgraded to hoary.  Sometimes I can get it to play regular media files, but sometimes they freeze too.
[04:09] <g14> gijosh, just a thought, every played with beep media player?
[04:09] <phoenixp3k> Hi everyone!
[04:09] <gijosh> g14:  Nope.  I didn't even know it existed.  It supports .pls files?
[04:09] <dabaSlon> gijosh: whats teh output plugin set to?
[04:09] <phoenixp3k> I've got a problem and can't seem to set it right
[04:09] <ghostfreeman> beep media player is XMMS
[04:09] <g14> gijosh, It is identical to xmms except it is written in gtk2 and integrates much better with the gnome desktop
[04:09] <ghostfreeman> but its GTK2, you might have luck there
[04:09] <Dangly> is firefox 1.0.4 available for ubuntu?
[04:10] <g14> gijosh, beep media player is a rewrite of xmms. It's not really a fork anymore
[04:10] <shiv> ok let me try that
[04:10] <phoenixp3k> How can I make a user able to use sudo
[04:10] <Shamilton0360> wow.
[04:10] <Burgundavia> Dangly, the security stuff has not yet been backported
[04:10] <gijosh> dabaSlon:  How do I check that?
[04:10] <dabaSlon> Dangly: not really...I dont know why they locked teh extension for all previous versions...
[04:10] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, add them to the admin group
[04:10] <dingo> poningru, go to www.ubuntu-guide.org and find <How to install Menu Editor for GNOME?> with the editor you can change things..
[04:10] <dabaSlon> gijosh: through options preferences...
[04:10] <phoenixp3k> Burgundavia, can't access it, it asks for the root password, but it doesn't work
[04:10] <Shamilton0360> just spent 4 hrs trying to instal vectorlinux gave up and threw in an ubunu cd, seems to be working nice, looks good too.
[04:11] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, have you read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[04:11] <Shamilton0360> ubuntu*
[04:11] <dabaSlon> gijosh: try changing it to esoudn, if it is not already, although, .pls may still not work, but it should at least play media files.
[04:11] <poningru> dingo thank you
[04:11] <gijosh> dabaSlon: thanks.  g14: If I don't get xmms working, I'll check out beep media player
[04:11] <phoenixp3k> Burgundavia, not that again... I've read it. It doesn't help, doesn't tell me how to access admin configuration tools
[04:12] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, you need to edit the user in system-->admin-->users and groups
[04:12] <g14> gijosh, beep is just a prettier xmms that fits into ubuntu better thats all. Good luck with your problem
[04:12] <gijosh> g14:  Thanks man
[04:12] <g14> gijosh, np
[04:13] <gijosh> dabaSlon: Woohoo.  Got sound on xmms.
[04:13] <dabaSlon> gijosh: excellent:)
[04:13] <gijosh> on a .pls playlist.
[04:13] <dabaSlon> even better.
[04:13] <gijosh> hehe
[04:13] <dabaSlon> the excellent is a ripoff of one of the guys tha comes here...
[04:13] <phoenixp3k> Burgundavia, yes I want to do that, but when I click on it, I asks for the root password, and refuses it.
[04:14] <dabaSlon> phoenixp3k: do you try your passwords?
[04:14] <alexander_> anyone know if ubuntu has problems w/ NTFS?
[04:14] <dabaSlon> no s.
[04:14] <Thirsteh> I knew I shouldn't have RAR'ed it -.-, all my backup data was rar'ed, and unrar doesn't seem to be able to understand it's supposed to create missing directories while extracing
[04:14] <dabaSlon> alexander_: I do not think so...
[04:14] <Thirsteh> alexander_, all Linux distros have, it's not fully supported yet, it's possible to both read/write, but it's not 100% safe
[04:14] <gijosh> alexsander:  It's had great read support for ntfs for me.  though I haven't needed it in a long time since I don't have windows anymore
[04:14] <dabaSlon> alexander_: are you tryuing to mount a ntfs partition, or a hard?
[04:14] <alexander_> trying to locate and load files of an NTFS volume
[04:14] <alexander_> second physical drive
[04:15] <dabaSlon> like just read from the drive?
[04:15] <alexander_> ya
[04:15] <phoenixp3k> dabaSlon, I've manage to enable the root account
[04:15] <dabaSlon> do sudo fdisk -l
[04:15] <phoenixp3k> I'll try to update the commun user that way
[04:15] <dabaSlon> phoenixp3k: excellent.
[04:15] <dabaSlon> to login, or just sudo?
[04:15] <ubuntu> Can I install ubuntu from the live  cd?
[04:15] <odyssey> ubuntu, no
[04:15] <goldfish> nope
[04:16] <ubuntu> shit
[04:16] <dabaSlon> I thought you couild...
[04:16] <dabaSlon> you guys positive?
[04:16] <goldfish> yus
[04:16] <phoenixp3k> dabaSlon, well under my common user it asks for the root password but always rejects it.
[04:16] <odyssey> yes
[04:16] <Nub> ok stupid question, i had to edit the source of a nic driver now i need to recompile the kernel with module suport
[04:16] <Nub> how do i go about doing that?
[04:16] <dabaSlon> ok, so you go to sudo, or whatever needs sudo in a gui, and asks you a password....it is really asking for your password...
[04:16] <Nub> i don't want to make config and go through the ENTIRE thing and fuck up my kernel
[04:17] <dabaSlon> Now, to be able to type in your apssword, and it accepts, you need to be added to the admin groups, as Burgundavia pointed out.
[04:17] <odyssey> dabaSlon, yes
[04:17] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, he has left
[04:18] <dabaSlon> Burgundavia: well, he sure did, now, had I used nick completion...
[04:18] <Nub> is there anyway to recompile kernel without resetting all the options, i just want to change one
[04:18] <dabaSlon> Man, I gotta go post to a forum for school...
[04:18] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, indeed
[04:19] <dabaSlon> I found out that I am not too bad at programming in Java after all...I worte a whole (totally simple though) class from school to home on the bus...
[04:19] <dabaSlon> but, still, no syntax errors..
[04:19] <Cocheese> hey kids
[04:19] <GhostFreeman> I just screwed up big time
[04:19] <phoenixp3k> nothing works
[04:19] <dabaSlon> yo coach...
[04:20] <MuStR> before I go search, anyone want to tell me how to make a .iso out of a cd?
[04:20] <MuStR> :x
[04:20] <GhostFreeman> I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reset the xorg conf file
[04:20] <dabaSlon> not me..perhaps through gnomebaker.
[04:20] <dabaSlon> GhostFreeman: now, why'd you wanna go and do that?;)
[04:20] <dabaSlon> rhetorical, btw.
[04:20] <GhostFreeman> and I fooled around with one of the horizontal refresh rate, and now whenever it tries to boot my monitor rejects the refresh rate
[04:21] <Cocheese> Ghostfreeman reinstall windows
[04:21] <MuStR> lol!
[04:21] <GhostFreeman> I am in Windows
[04:21] <dabaSlon> so, reinstall.
[04:21] <MuStR> dabaSoln: you're right, bud. thanks
[04:21] <GhostFreeman> reinstall Ubuntu?
[04:21] <Cocheese> destroy everything
[04:21] <phoenixp3k> I just did
[04:21] <dabaSlon> MuStR: was, hey?
[04:21] <Cocheese> and start anew
[04:21] <GhostFreeman> I can't fix it from the command line or a LiveCD
[04:21] <MuStR> yeah haha
[04:21] <phoenixp3k> I won't do it a third time
[04:21] <MuStR> <3 laziness
[04:21] <dabaSlon> GhostFreeman: both of us dont know together.
[04:21] <phoenixp3k> phoenixp3k is not in the sudoers file.
[04:21] <phoenixp3k> I can't fix this
[04:21] <dabaSlon> did you have gnomebaker isntalled?
[04:22] <dabaSlon> ok, you can do a run around.
[04:22] <waterbeetle> :) back in gnome, eh?
[04:22] <phoenixp3k> I wouldn't know, Synaptic can't open
[04:22] <GhostFreeman> No, Windows
[04:22] <dabaSlon> do you know exact procedure for adding to sudoers file, by hand, by now, phoenix?
[04:22] <GhostFreeman> I really did it to xorg this time
[04:22] <waterbeetle> ah
[04:22] <MuStR> dabaSlon: yes.
[04:23] <dabaSlon> well, post a query for a xorg.conf that is correct?
[04:23] <dabaSlon> sweet, didnt think of that though?
[04:23] <dabaSlon> rhetoricakl again.
[04:23] <GhostFreeman> I changed the horizontal refresh rate from its default and now my monitor refuses the new settings
[04:23] <dabaSlon> well, change it back.?
[04:23] <phoenixp3k> Child terminated with 1 status, some info on that?
[04:23] <GhostFreeman> How?
[04:23] <GhostFreeman> I can't while im in Windows
[04:23] <GhostFreeman> ...can I?
[04:23] <MuStR> dabaSlon: I figured I'd check here first before actually looking (lazy)
[04:23] <dabaSlon> ok, well, you ever heard of alt+ctrl+fx, replace x with number?
[04:24] <dabaSlon> phoenixp3k: so all you wanna do is add yourself to sudoers, right? so you can open syunaptic, and such?
[04:24] <GhostFreeman> and this does what exactly?
[04:24] <agh> GhostFreeman: well, you might have to log into the text mode terminal and edit the file that way
[04:24] <Nub> somebody help me recompile my kernel with module suport please
[04:24] <waterbeetle> I too am interested in adding to sudoers ,dabaSlon
[04:24] <phoenixp3k> dabaSlon, can't because it asks for password, none work
[04:24] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: did you do the good ol' "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" dealy?
[04:25] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, the password you logged in with?
[04:25] <dabaSlon> GhostFreeman: it movesd you to a terminal that will not use x, so you can through command line change the x settings.
[04:25] <waterbeetle> same problem as phonixp3k
[04:25] <GhostFreeman> ok.
[04:25] <phoenixp3k> dabaSlon, I tried both root and the one of my current session
[04:25] <agh> phoenixp3k: the password is to confirm that you are actually you. it's your login password.
[04:25] <dabaSlon> alt+ctrl+f1 is the sfirst, suix of those until the f7 which is where your gnome session is.
[04:25] <Burgundavia> waterbeetle, see www.ubuntu.com/RootSudo , I just editted to make it more clear
[04:25] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, have you set a root password?
[04:25] <dcraven> Heya Burgundavia
[04:25] <phoenixp3k> yes
[04:25] <Burgundavia> salut dcraven
[04:25] <alexander_> dabaSlon: thank you so very much for pointing me in the right direction
[04:25] <GhostFreeman> any other options, like LiveCD perhaps
[04:25] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, all the gui tools are looking for your password
[04:25] <phoenixp3k> if I open a Terminal, I can du su
[04:26] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: Is the OS not bootable?
[04:26] <Nub> can anyone here me?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, I would disable it, as Ubuntu uses sudo for everything
[04:26] <GhostFreeman> its bootable
[04:26] <Burgundavia> Nub, what is your issue?
[04:26] <dabaSlon> alexander_: welcome.
[04:26] <Nub> Burgundavia, thank you
[04:26] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: Why the LiveCD then?
[04:26] <phoenixp3k> Burgundavia, how do I do that?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, see the bottom of the rootsudo page
[04:26] <GhostFreeman> but I never see the login/password prompt because my monitor warns me of the Hz rate issyes
[04:26] <Nub> Burgundavia, i need to recompile my kernel with module suport, only if i go through make config it will ask me for all the settings again
[04:27] <Nub> which i don't want it to do
[04:27] <MuStR> hm...anyone know how to get greek letters in gaim?
[04:27] <mischko> Installing ubuntu (5.04) on VMWare.  It doesn't detect any partitionalble media.
[04:27] <dabaSlon> GhostFreeman: boot up, and when it tries to go to x, you hit alt+ctrl+f1 and go to a terminal, fizx the file, reboot.
[04:27] <Burgundavia> Nub, why do you need to recompile your kernel?
[04:27] <GhostFreeman> ok
[04:27] <dcraven> GhostFreeman: Like dabaSlon said.
[04:27] <Nub> i had to edit a driver
[04:27] <GhostFreeman> I'll give that a shot, and if it dosen't work i'll come back here and cry about it
[04:27] <Burgundavia> Nub, what are you trying to get working/
[04:27] <Nub> tulip net driver
[04:27] <Nub> i changed it
[04:27] <dcraven> Nub: The config file for your running stock kernel is in /boot
[04:28] <dabaSlon> phoenixp3k: go and reboot, and when it asks you which session you want in grub, ask for a sagfe mode, that will log you in as root, and then you can go and add yourself to the file but first learn hoew to ad yourself...
[04:28] <dabaSlon> or. alternatively...
[04:28] <phoenixp3k> Burgundavia, done, do I have to restart of something? It's still not working
[04:28] <Nub> can i just vi that and not have to change all the other options?
[04:28] <dabaSlon> once you are logged in, type in, adduser admin yourUsername
[04:28] <phoenixp3k> Thats what I did
[04:28] <phoenixp3k> dabaSlon, when I reinstalled. I only placed root
[04:29] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, are you logging in as the user you created during install?
[04:29] <phoenixp3k> dabaSlon, then went in safe mode to add a user
[04:29] <dabaSlon> so you are now logged in with???
[04:29] <dcraven> Nub: You can copy it to your kernel source dir, then start from there. All defaults will be preselected.
[04:29] <phoenixp3k> adduser phoenixp3k and all
[04:29] <dabaSlon> ok, go back to safe mode, and adduser admin yourUsername, taht will add the group admin to taht usernam,e...
[04:29] <dabaSlon> let me dblcheck
[04:29] <Nub> dcraven, thank you
[04:29] <dcraven> Nub: copy it as /usr/src/kernel-source/.config... Whatever your kernel source dir is.
[04:30] <phoenixp3k> do I have to delete the current?
[04:30] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, did you choose expert install?
[04:30] <Nub> dcraven, that way can i just change a single option/
[04:30] <dabaSlon> sudo adduser userName admin
[04:30] <waterbeetle> I'm having the same prob as phoenixp3k, it says 'admin' user doesn't exist
[04:30] <phoenixp3k> not really, just went trought the process
[04:31] <dabaSlon> then it is your password that it is asking for.
[04:31] <dabaSlon> and you should be in the sudoers file.
[04:31] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, ok then, log in as the user that was created during the install
[04:31] <dcraven> Nub: If that's all you need, then yes. This assumes the same sources as your running kernel.
[04:31] <Burgundavia> phoenixp3k, that is not a root user
[04:31] <dabaSlon> waterbeetle: your problem being no user as a sudoer?
[04:31] <Nub> dcraven, great, thank you
[04:31] <waterbeetle> yes
[04:31] <dcraven> Nub: If you are going to compile a newer kernel that what that config was made from, do a "make oldconfig".
[04:31] <dcraven> Nub: np
[04:32] <Nub> dcraven, same kernel just changed driver
[04:32] <dabaSlon> well, reboot, safe mode, as root, adduser yourUsername admin
[04:32] <dcraven> Nub: You're golden then.
[04:32] <phoenixp3k> Burgundavia, well I'm logged
[04:33] <waterbeetle> it says the group 'admin' doesnt exist
[04:33] <waterbeetle> must create that group?
[04:33] <dabaSlon> phoenixp3k: if you do that, and if it is possible to get to root through safe mode, you will have taht user that you replace yourUsername with in the sudoers, if admin groups has sudo permisions.
[04:33] <dabaSlon> ah,,,so you are logged in as root now?
[04:33] <thechitowncubs> How can I uninstall a deb package that i didn't install through apt-get? I also don't have thet deb anymore
[04:33] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon, I'm logged in as root now
[04:34] <waterbeetle> in another screen
[04:34] <thechitowncubs> nvm, i realized synaptic can do it :)
[04:34] <dabaSlon> waterbeetle: just add yourself to the sudoers file then for now, then we wil ask Burgundavia how to add a group for sudoers
[04:34] <dabaSlon> ill get it for you  now.
[04:34] <GhostFreeman> yay GNOME
[04:34] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, if he is running Hoary, sudoers in %admin%
[04:34] <waterbeetle> hehe
[04:35] <waterbeetle> Hoary here
[04:35] <waterbeetle> gotta go, back later
[04:35] <waterbeetle> :)
[04:35] <dabaSlon> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#allowmoresudoers
[04:35] <GhostFreeman> Now time to actually install the ATI drivers
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> hey holycow
[04:35] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, that is crack, please don't suggest taht
[04:35] <GhostFreeman> oh noes
[04:35] <nobile> *wave*
[04:36] <dabaSlon> its fine...what would you suggest, the admin group?
[04:36] <holycow> <-- running ubuntu live cd on friends gateway laptop with a huge lcd
[04:36] <holycow> damnit i love linux
[04:36] <holycow> :)
[04:36] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, yes, it is better, no editing of sudoers
[04:36] <dabaSlon> well, there is no admin on my sudoers, and I am in hoary, although I upgraded, maybe that is why...
[04:36] <Burgundavia> dabaSlon, upgrades didn't get it
[04:37] <dabaSlon> well, tell us how to add the admin group, dont just say that it is there in hoary:)
[04:37] <dabaSlon> into the file, that is.
[04:38] <thechitowncubs> How can I remove a folder from the gnome menu that doesn't show up in Smeg?
[04:39] <dabaSlon> it will still be editing the file, though...
[04:40] <Razor-X> wow.... did I sleep
[04:40] <dabaSlon> yes.
[04:40] <Razor-X> guess being sick makes you sleep that long.....
[04:40] <dabaSlon> guess...
[04:41] <Razor-X> dabaSlon: you use a trackball?
[04:41] <dabaSlon> why? no...
[04:41] <Razor-X> oh, ok
[04:41] <Razor-X> just asking for feedback from trackball users
[04:41] <thechitowncubs> the firefox on my other ubuntu client always comes up with that firefox profile window, are there any fixes for that?
[04:42] <dabaSlon> change home page?
[04:43] <dabaSlon> so....
[04:43] <dabaSlon> I guess that means windows/...G?
[04:43] <greg> hi guys i did a doggy reinstall of ubuntu over a debian i kept the /home partitoin form debian its all working fine excpept that i would like to import the users from debian to ubuntu witch files should i copy ? i have a ssaved of my debian etc
[04:43] <MrKeuner> Any ubuntulinux people here? bittorrent tracker is still down.
[04:44] <Burgundavia> MrKeuner, you might want to talk about that in #ubuntu-devel
[04:44] <holycow> bbl
[04:44] <vboxw> anyone got a bootable floppy to work?
[04:45] <Razor-X> like I said, I think we should make a magnet link of the Ubuntu torren
[04:45] <MrKeuner> ok
[04:46] <vboxw> trying to find the stage1 and stage2 files online - needed for making bootable floppy - anyone?
[04:46] <dabaSlon> bootable what, so it redrects to the cd?
[04:46] <Razor-X> a GRUB boot floppy?
[04:46] <vboxw> yes -
[04:47] <Razor-X> did you just install Ubuntu?
[04:47] <Razor-X> I can guide you through a GRUB boot floppy pretty easy
[04:47] <vboxw> not yet - cannot boot from cd
[04:47] <dabaSlon> razor...
[04:47] <dabaSlon> :)] 
[04:47] <vboxw> the docs say I need the stage1 and stage2 files
[04:47] <dabaSlon> which one is the exit?
[04:47] <dabaSlon> :p
[04:48] <Razor-X> well, you need a working install of GRUB
[04:48] <Gnimsh> hello everyone
[04:48] <Razor-X> you can't boot the CD, huh?
[04:48] <dabaSlon> stage on and two grub, that soubnds all right/
[04:48] <dabaSlon> yo gnimsh
[04:48] <vboxw> are they available online?
[04:49] <Razor-X> vobxw: I don't think so
[04:49] <nub_afk> how do I kill a startx session when it's giving me this error: connection to :2 refused - no protocol specified
[04:49] <Razor-X> oh, well, hold that thought if you need me... my dad is home... buh bye
[04:50] <vboxw> razor-X: I presume they are part of the ubuntu and not just GRUB ?
[04:50] <alexander_> has anyone a quick link to help solve audigy 2 "no sound" issues, I've been playing w/ settings and having no luck
[04:51] <dabaSlon> alexander_: yes, something about muting a 1958 something in alsamixer, and unmuting other entries.
[04:52] <dabaSlon> alsamixer in a terminal will open a new mixer monitor, where m mutes/unmutes, and up down increase decrease volume...
[04:52] <Gnimsh> ok I have a question, I've just installed ubuntu, and this is my first time running linux
[04:52] <dabaSlon> welcome
[04:52] <Gnimsh> lots of simple problems really...I've dled tightVNC, but I have no idea how to install it
[04:53] <dabaSlon> thats just one...:-p
[04:53] <dabaSlon> You can make a forum entry with all your issues, relevant pastes, and such and give us the URL>
[04:54] <IIIEars> Gnimish - Welcome!   (i am new also)
[04:54] <vboxw> could someone zip or tar the stage1 and stage2 files from /boot/grub and e-mail them to me?
[04:54] <^thehatsrule^> lol...
[04:54] <dabaSlon> hey, IIIEarswhat was up with today coming in and saying that you just installed your first ubuntu?
[04:54] <Gnimsh> If I want to access any files that I have shared from my windows machine, they need to be on a fat32 drive, yes?
[04:54] <wsmith> Can I apt-get dist-upgrade from warty to hoary?
[04:54] <GhostFreeman> Whatever I did has done some damage
[04:55] <alexander_> AHHHHHHHH
[04:55] <natex> Gnimsh, you can access NTFS Filesystems, but they are only readable, not writable.
[04:55] <MuStR> does anyone know how to get greek fonts in gaim?
[04:55] <alexander_> sound how wnderful
[04:55] <MuStR> :[
[04:55] <dabaSlon> wsmith: yes, remember to remove all non ubuntu repositories from sources, and remember to remove backports as well.
[04:55] <IIIEars> gnimish that is the easiest way (no fiddling) Ubuntu supports NTFS volumes though.
[04:55] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  if you are using SAMBA they can be on any file sys.
[04:55] <dabaSlon> alexander_: with that little advice???????
[04:55] <wsmith> dabaSlon, does that include universal?
[04:55] <alexander_> dabaSlon: someone should get you a beer, or cola
[04:55] <dabaSlon> or something else?
[04:55] <alexander_> yes indeeddy
[04:55] <GhostFreeman> Where can I get the fglrx module
[04:56] <MuStR> natex: do you know offhand what filesystems can be written with linux?
[04:56] <dabaSlon> unuiverse is fine, I think...
[04:56] <dabaSlon> alexander_: your pretty good there...
[04:56] <alexander_> thanks
[04:56] <dabaSlon> yup.
[04:56] <Gnimsh> matex, vboxw, how do I dothat?
[04:56] <gbic> GhostFreeman: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:56] <alexander_> obiously, you of the two of us are the good one, however
[04:56] <vboxw> MuStR: many, is there one you need?
[04:56] <dabaSlon> alexander_: hope this dont offend you....I dont need one right now, I am about to blaze...:(
[04:56] <GhostFreeman> i've done that
[04:56] <natex> Gnimsh, as vboxw said, ntfs is writeable if using samba
[04:56] <GhostFreeman> and configured xorf
[04:56] <GhostFreeman> xorg*
[04:57] <gbic> did you reboot?
[04:57] <GhostFreeman> and restarted the system, and it tells me its not there
[04:57] <gbic> try glrxgears
[04:57] <alexander_> dabaSlon: no worries buddy, lol
[04:57] <gbic> hmm
[04:57] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  do you have samba server installed?
[04:57] <Gnimsh> no
[04:57] <gbic>    3.
[04:57] <gbic>       Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx", perhaps with a command like: sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Alternatively, just use your favourite text editor, or use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select "fglrx" instead of "ati".
[04:57] <Gnimsh> so I install samba on the windows box
[04:57] <GhostFreeman> did that
[04:57] <MuStR> vboxw: no, but my file store drive is NFTS, and I could convert it if there is a filesystem that is writable by both windows and linux
[04:57] <gbic> which card?
[04:57] <GhostFreeman> that's how I got it to tell me fglrx is gone
[04:57] <GhostFreeman> 9800XT
[04:58] <natex> Gnimsh, I assume you are talking about 2 computers? one Ubuntu, one Windows?
[04:58] <GhostFreeman> I removed fglrx from synaptic by accident, that's probably why I got this happening
[04:58] <gbic> ahh
[04:58] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  ah, is the drive on the same PC as linux?
[04:58] <GhostFreeman> and I can't redownload it from Synaptic :(
[04:58] <gbic> cant help ya mate
[04:58] <gbic> I just installed this OS like 10 minutes ago
[04:58] <gbic> hehe
[04:58] <GhostFreeman> damn
[04:58] <gbic> mine worked fine
[04:58] <MuStR> lol
[04:59] <natex> MuStR, FAT filesystems are writeable by both OSs
[04:59] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - is great! :)
[04:59] <gbic> nice release I must say
[04:59] <MuStR> excellent.
[04:59] <gbic> Im liking this already
[04:59] <gbic> no hardware issues
[04:59] <gbic> :)
[04:59] <Gnimsh> yes natex:  my lappy is linux, desktop is windows
[04:59] <GhostFreeman> I dont know what to do now
[04:59] <Gnimsh> no vboxw
[04:59] <nubuntious> oh cool
[04:59] <nubuntious> x chat is neato
[04:59] <Gnimsh> sorry for late responses people,I'm getting used to xchat still
[04:59] <GhostFreeman> except bash my computer with a stick
[05:00] <dabaSlon> GhostFreeman: can you back up data reinstall?
[05:00] <wsmith> dabaSlon, like linking /dists/hoary to /dists/latest-release
[05:00] <GhostFreeman> tried that
[05:00] <wsmith> and then doing the same when the next release comes out.
[05:00] <GhostFreeman> or tbh, I can't
[05:00] <dabaSlon> like, jsut automatic upgrade when it is released?
[05:00] <dabaSlon> jsut dont evenm change the names of the distro?
[05:00] <IIIEars> gbic - check out "streamtuner" for internet radio. - it can be easily configured to record streams to mp3 files.
[05:00] <darkaudit> any hoary-security folks: is the plan for firefox to keep the ver # at 1.0.2 and just add a -# at the end when a new security hole is fixed?
[05:00] <natex> Gnimsh, ok. no problem. Windows uses SMBFS to share files. Linux can mount these over a network with Samba.
[05:01] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  not too sure about ubuntu, but you can d/l samba package - it has a nice web admin too to share drives on linux to windows - and smbmount to mount shared drives on windows boxs on your linux machine
[05:01] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: I have .3 installed, .4 wont installl
[05:01] <GhostFreeman> im just going to remove all the xorg ati drivers and reinstall
[05:01] <natex> vboxw, does he even need the full samba server.... just smbfs support yes?
[05:01] <Gnimsh> So I install samba in linux and it handles the connection between the 2 oses?
[05:01] <wsmith> dabaSlon, No, change the name, just keep a symlink up to date so people can put that in their sources.list. Similar to the way debian does "stable" and "unstable"
[05:01] <GhostFreeman> if that dosent fix it i'll go post on the forums for help
[05:01] <dabaSlon> i dont get it, it i beyond me, and Im high...
[05:01] <Burgundavia> dark, the stuff will be backported to 1.0.2
[05:01] <darkaudit> dabaSlon: there was a fresh version in the hoary-security repo today...
[05:01] <wsmith> Wow. apt-get dist-upgrade from warty to hoary: 500MB of new packages to download. Shew!
[05:02] <darkaudit> but still 1.0.2
[05:02] <dabaSlon> darkaudit: like a .4?
[05:02] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  sorry - you just need the smbfs support (smb client stuff) - thanks natex
[05:02] <dabaSlon> I haev a .3, I tell ya...
[05:02] <drcode> hi al
[05:02] <drcode> all
[05:02] <drcode> how I can remove openoffice?
[05:02] <Burgundavia> darkaudit, see my comment above about backporting security fixes
[05:02] <Burgundavia> drcode, just remove it
[05:02] <natex> vboxw, good.
[05:02] <dabaSlon> drcode, you can use synaptic.
[05:02] <choop> hello all
[05:02] <drcode> I am in xfce
[05:02] <natex> Gnimsh, you follow?
[05:02] <dabaSlon> yo choop!
[05:02] <drcode> I can;t load synaptic
[05:03] <choop> what's up?
[05:03] <darkaudit> 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.2 was the hoary-security release today
[05:03] <Burgundavia> drcode, you can still run synaptic
[05:03] <drcode> I do apt-get remove openoffice.org/
[05:03] <dabaSlon> ok, Ill get the name ofd the package...
[05:03] <Burgundavia> drcode, gksudo synaptic
[05:03] <dabaSlon> or you could search apt-cache...
[05:03] <Burgundavia> darkaudit, the .4 stuff hasn't been backported yet
[05:03] <ali4728> Help! Can i send an email through mypage.php from my webserver without using MTA ex:postfix ?
[05:03] <dabaSlon> hah
[05:03] <drcode> wow
[05:03] <drcode> now its work
[05:03] <vboxw> anyone up to e-mailme a couple of files - stage1 and stage2 found in /boot/grub??
[05:03] <Gnimsh> what about how to install programs, can I get some info on that?
[05:03] <dabaSlon> wow!
[05:03] <drcode> I Can do the same with apt-get ?
[05:03] <thechitowncubs> How can I fix my eject problem? i can only eject via sudo and not from right clicking eject
[05:03] <dabaSlon> excellent
[05:04] <dabaSlon> yes, apt-cache search openoffice, and tehn remove what comes out of that...
[05:04] <Burgundavia> thechitowncubs, something may still have a lock on the device
[05:04] <dabaSlon> like even pipe it maybe??
[05:04] <Gnimsh> I dled a a zip but when I open the zip nothing happens when I extract
[05:04] <Burgundavia> Gnimsh, you need synaptic
[05:04] <IIIEars> drcode - synaptic is a little better if only because it keeps a record of recently installed apps and can remember correctly what to remove.
[05:04] <natex> Gnimsh, for Ubuntu? use the Gnome menu (System> Synaptic Package Manager)
[05:04] <drcode> what is openoffice-gnome-gtk
[05:04] <IIIEars> (ducks impending flame war)
[05:04] <drcode> I Can remove all openoffice?
[05:04] <wsmith> thechitowncubs, are you in the "disk" group?
[05:05] <Burgundavia> drcode, yes, you can -gtk makes it pretty for the gnome
[05:05] <drcode> I am afried that it will do somthing to my gnome
[05:05] <dabaSlon> thechitowncubs: wirte a script, and link it to gnome
[05:05] <drcode> it will not delete somthing from my desktop or so?
[05:05] <GhostFreeman> looks like a removal and reinstall did it
[05:05] <dabaSlon> thechitowncubs: link it to your context menu....just make it sudo eject whatecver./
[05:05] <GhostFreeman> :D
[05:05] <drcode> I mean it will not crash my gnome or xfce?
[05:06] <natex> Gnimsh, ubuntu has .zip support.
[05:06] <dabaSlon> excellent:)
[05:06] <awb4422> is there any way to rebuild a package that i installed with apt to pass the configure script different options?
[05:06] <Gnimsh> alrighty
[05:06] <GhostFreeman> Thanks again everyone
[05:06] <GhostFreeman> <3
[05:06] <dabaSlon> what was it, some are harder...
[05:06] <IIIEars> ghostFreeman - what tool did you use to remove and reinstall your video drivers? synaptic?
[05:06] <GhostFreeman> yeah
[05:06] <dabaSlon> ha.
[05:06] <GhostFreeman> how can i get frames when running glxgears
[05:06] <gbic> glrxgears
[05:07] <gbic> in command
[05:07] <Burgundavia> GhostFreeman, leave it for 5 seconds
[05:07] <GhostFreeman> not found
[05:07] <dabaSlon> prompt:-p
[05:07] <Burgundavia> GhostFreeman, it only reports every 5 seconds
[05:07] <gbic> glxgears*
[05:07] <drcode> k
[05:07] <drcode> I start to remove it
[05:07] <drcode> hope my ubuntu will load after that
[05:07] <GhostFreeman> 3274.000 FPS
[05:07] <waterbeetle> :)
[05:07] <dabaSlon> k, you finish now
[05:07] <wsmith> thechitowncubs, did you get your eject prob fixed?
[05:07] <GhostFreeman> is that good
[05:07] <GhostFreeman> now its at 7091.000
[05:07] <waterbeetle> dabaSlon_stnd, thanks
[05:08] <GhostFreeman> and increasing
[05:08] <dabaStnd> works? beetle?
[05:08] <gbic> hmm
[05:08] <natex> Gnimsh, if you are looking for some programs that may not be in the "Official Repositories" use  "Settings > Repositories" then +Add button. add either of the unofficial repositories to access much more programs.
[05:08] <gbic> my x600 must suck then
[05:08] <gbic> lol
[05:08] <gbic> I only get like 1091
[05:08] <dabaStnd> excellent, you all work...
[05:08] <Thirsteh> Does anyone know how to make Gaim's sound work?
[05:08] <GhostFreeman> you haveta wait a while for the numbers to come in
[05:08] <dabaStnd> ali decided huis question was more apt at #php or something...
[05:08] <gbic> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:08] <gbic> 3910 frames in 5.0 seconds = 782.000 FPS
[05:08] <gbic> 5198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1039.600 FPS
[05:08] <gbic> 5198 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1039.600 FPS
[05:08] <gbic> yes I know
[05:08] <waterbeetle> dabaStnd thansk, got that sudoers file edited..
[05:09] <GhostFreeman> my highest was 8333
[05:09] <gbic> that seems awfully low
[05:09] <gbic> hmm
[05:09] <vboxw> anyone up to e-mailing me a couple of files - stage1 and stage2 found in /boot/grub??
[05:09] <IIIEars> gbic - sounds healthy - Is 180fps good? - lol
[05:09] <gbic> I must have buggered something
[05:09] <Thirsteh> rofl
[05:09] <waterbeetle> how to configure TV out with ATI-radeon?
[05:09] <wsmith> vboxw, one sec...
[05:09] <Thirsteh> I just ran Glxgears, and my fps was at 22... I was like, OMGWTFBBQ, then the next time it was at 12500 :)))
[05:10] <gbic> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:10] <natex> vboxw, no problem
[05:10] <gbic> I just wonder what I buggered
[05:10] <gbic> not sure why that error is there
[05:10] <Thirsteh> gbic, if you're using an Nvidia card, DRI shouldn't be loaded
[05:10] <vboxw> natex, paul@golborne.com
[05:10] <gbic> Im not
[05:10] <gbic> it's an x600 pcie
[05:10] <gbic> on my laptop
[05:11] <dabaStnd> I posted on my forum...
[05:11] <wsmith> vboxw, http://vcsmail.com/~wsmith/vboxw.tar.gz
[05:11] <dabaStnd> for school, we are designing some methods, and stuff.
[05:11] <vboxw> wsmith, thanks
[05:12] <waterbeetle> TV out?
[05:12] <dabaStnd> waterbeetle: did you read the wiki at all?
[05:12] <wsmith> hmm. that may not work. vcsmail.com/vboxw.tar.gz
[05:12] <sbcl3_> i'm having a problem with the gnome clock. I hate the amount of space it takes up. Is there any possible way to just put an icon in its place which I can hover my mouse over to get the time?
[05:13] <hybrid_goth> i am going to bed
[05:13] <natex> vboxw, sent
[05:13] <vboxw> wsmith, second one worked - thanks
[05:13] <hybrid_goth> good nite all
[05:13] <dabaStnd> bye
[05:13] <vboxw> natex, wsmith, thanks to both of you - sure be able to get my cd to boot now :-)
[05:13] <Gnimsh> alrighty, what's the command I use to connect to my windows machine using samba?  It looks like its installed according to synaptic
[05:13] <Gnimsh> mmm pizza
[05:14] <waterbeetle> wiki says:  ATI
[05:14] <waterbeetle> 
[05:14] <waterbeetle> Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x
[05:14] <waterbeetle> 
[05:14] <waterbeetle> 
[05:14] <waterbeetle> Yes
[05:14] <phoenixp3k> Is there a way to reset root password? not sudoer
[05:14] <waterbeetle> 
[05:14] <waterbeetle> Yes
[05:14] <waterbeetle> 
[05:14] <waterbeetle> Yes
[05:14] <waterbeetle> 
[05:14] <waterbeetle> TV-Out deosn't works as the refresh rate is incorrectly set or something
[05:14] <dabaStnd> :)
[05:14] <GuaMMan> I'm using a netgear MA521 wireless pcmia card and it keeps cutting out on me every few minutes.  Any ideas?
[05:14] <g14> phoenixp3k, don't use root, try sudo -s
[05:14] <natex> Gnimsh, in the gnome menu use "Places > Network Servers"
[05:14] <dabaStnd> so, what URL, I cant see here...
[05:14] <sbcl3_> anyone know how to get rid of a big clock?
[05:14] <GuaMMan> Also, eth0 seems to reactivate automatically
[05:14] <dabaStnd> sbcl3_: dude..
[05:15] <sbcl3_> i'm having a problem with the gnome clock. I hate the amount of space it takes up. Is there any possible way to just put an icon in its place which I can hover my mouse over to get the time?
[05:15] <GuaMMan> ok...
[05:15] <dabaStnd> remove the applet, use date?????
[05:15] <phoenixp3k> g14, not sudoer, when I created the user it didn't get any privilege
[05:15] <sbcl3_> date?
[05:15] <Thirsteh> sbcl3_, just rightclick on it->settings->uncheck show date? :|
[05:15] <dabaStnd> right, date, dude, its Unix.
[05:15] <JairunCaloth> will wine play nice with NTFS partitions?
[05:15] <sbcl3_> dabaStnd: can i get it even smaller?
[05:16] <natex> JairunCaloth, no
[05:16] <sbcl3_> I was on Unixtime before
[05:16] <dabaStnd> yeah, plays pretty nice.
[05:16] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  type smbmount and there should be an example at the bottom of the text
[05:16] <Gnimsh> natex, see the problem I have w/ that is I couldn't even get my windows machine to show up when I browsed the network in windows
[05:16] <dabaStnd> you can use blackbox for all I care.
[05:16] <Gnimsh> I could only get to it by \\computername in run
[05:16] <natex> sbcl3_, make a shortcut that opens up a terminal and runs the command "date"
[05:16] <vboxw> Gnimsh:  try smbclient -L \\machine
[05:17] <dabaStnd> nate, no...jsut run in a terminal:)
[05:17] <Gnimsh> Where would I type smbmount?
[05:17] <natex> Gnimsh, hmm, are you sure you are sharing properly from windows?
[05:17] <Gnimsh> afaik. I have the folder shared and everything
[05:17] <Gnimsh> Everyone can access them
[05:17] <Gnimsh> my computer just does not show up in the network
[05:17] <dabaStnd> smbmount on linux.
[05:18] <vboxw> Gnimsh, mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test
[05:18] <vboxw> open a shell and su root
[05:18] <dabaStnd> tridge fubar...
[05:18] <dabaStnd> or just sudo...
[05:18] <phoenixp3k> root root
[05:18] <phoenixp3k> any ideas?
[05:18] <dabaStnd> on root root??:)
[05:18] <vboxw> (just su)
[05:19] <goldfish> su -
[05:19] <CrippsFX> what packaging system does ubuntu use? *.rpm, *.deb .....?
[05:19] <phoenixp3k> root password won't work anymore
[05:19] <natex> phoenixp3k, what is the problem?
[05:19] <phoenixp3k> my user can't sudo
[05:19] <dabaStnd> phoenixp3k: did you do what you said you were gonna do?
[05:19] <phoenixp3k> can't connect on root anymore
[05:19] <vboxw> just try the command without su then
[05:19] <dabaStnd> throguh some safe mode?
[05:19] <natex> phoenixp3k, how are you trying?
[05:20] <phoenixp3k> safe mode asks root password
[05:20] <dabaStnd> hah
[05:20] <dabaStnd> bacjup data reinstall?
[05:20] <capi> whats a good free CD burner with ISO support. I'm using Burn4Free currently.
[05:20] <dabaStnd> gnome.
[05:20] <phoenixp3k> NOOOOOOOO (not a third time... :'(
[05:20] <goldfish> k3b apparantly capi
[05:20] <dabaStnd> phoenixp3k: lol@lmao
[05:21] <CrippsFX> so .... anybody have a quick second to answer my question?
[05:21] <K_Dallas> capi? you are talking linux, right?
[05:21] <phoenixp3k> dabaStnd
[05:21] <mpm> what's the bash command to see which letter each cdrom is ? as in hda hdb hdc?
[05:21] <dabaStnd> haha
[05:21] <natex> capi, nautilus can burn isos
[05:21] <vboxw> Gnimsh, smbclient -l <windows pc name or ip address>
[05:21] <waterbeetle> K3B is a good burner, capi
[05:21] <alexander_> so I found out physically where my second harddrive was, then thought I needed permissions (i figured that out), and also i now have working sound, but whenever I try to read my second harddrive I get the message "Couldn't display /dev/sdb"...any clues?
[05:21] <capi> No Windows, sorry
[05:21] <dabaStnd> my user can su...
[05:21] <phoenixp3k> dabaStnd, tell me when it asks me a password for root I leave a blank next time right?
[05:21] <vboxw> Gnimsh, sorry - smbclient -L <windows pc name or ip address>
[05:21] <K_Dallas> lol, windows in ubuntu
[05:21] <dabaStnd> mpm, ls /media
[05:21] <K_Dallas> capi: there are one or two ports of cdrecord to windows
[05:21] <gbic> off topic...anyone know where I can get a copy of Nortel Contivity for linux?
[05:22] <CrippsFX> mpm, try doing "cat /etc/fstb" .... it will be listed in there.
[05:22] <dabaStnd> nope. Its gonna ask for your password...
[05:22] <vboxw> Gnimsh, that will list the shares
[05:22] <CrippsFX> mpm, er ... "cat /etc/fstab"
[05:22] <phoenixp3k> so, I have to set a root password
[05:22] <Gnimsh> in a terminal, vboxw ?
[05:22] <vboxw> Gnimsh, yes
[05:22] <dabaStnd> off topic here, off topic there...
[05:22] <tritium> phoenixp3k, no, remember that RootSudo wiki page I showed you?
[05:22] <dabaStnd> :)
[05:23] <mpm> ah yes CrippsFX thanks so much; I'm trying to sort out a cdrecord problem that popped up since hoary for me
[05:23] <phoenixp3k> so during install I just press enter (to leave blank) when it asks to set a password for root
[05:23] <mez> hmm is anyone getting this error?
[05:23] <mez> sporry let me rephrase
[05:23] <mez> anyone know how to fix this error
[05:23] <Gnimsh> ok they were listed
[05:23] <Gnimsh> how do I access the shares?
[05:23] <CrippsFX> mom, no problem .... the other fun way to do it is "eject /dev/hd<letter>" until you hit one that works ;)
[05:23] <dabaStnd> mpm, your drives are also listed in /media
[05:23] <mez> err:x11settings:X11DRV_ChangeDisplaySettingsExW No matching mode found! (NoRes)
[05:24] <Gnimsh> and to think my girlfriend is bugged by the fact that I wanted to try linux
[05:24] <goldfish> lol
[05:24] <Gnimsh> "why do you even need all that?"
[05:24] <Gnimsh> let's see its
[05:24] <CrippsFX> lol.
[05:24] <phoenixp3k> tritium, please advise
[05:24] <dabaStnd> ha.
[05:24] <Gnimsh> more complicated to use than windows, means I have to start all over...
[05:24] <tritium> phoenixp3k, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:25] <CrippsFX> so ... I haven't tried ubuntu yet ... and if nobody answers my question about the packaging system, I may never ....
[05:25] <phoenixp3k> tritium, there is a problem during the install and I need to work it out
[05:25] <vboxw> Gnimsh, mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test
[05:25] <tritium> CrippsFX, what question?
[05:25] <phoenixp3k> tritium, people tell me it'S not supposed to even ask to set root password
[05:25] <tritium> phoenixp3k, what problem are you having during install?
[05:25] <phoenixp3k> but it does
[05:25] <tritium> phoenixp3k, no, it does not ask for a root password
[05:25] <vboxw> Gnimsh, need to mkdir a mount point /data/test first
[05:25] <waterbeetle> I use slackware on my other computer, and to configure TV-out have to edit the Xorg.conf, is it the same in Ubuntu, or is there an auto-scripting program?  Also I have found nothing with ATI Radeon mobility in the wiki....
[05:26] <CrippsFX> tritium, what is the packaging system that ubuntu uses (for example: deb, rpm ...)
[05:26] <dabaStnd> hm...it may not like you, phoenixp3k
[05:26] <tritium> Crane, .deb
[05:26] <tritium> CrippsFX, ^^^
[05:26] <Gnimsh> vboxw, can I pm you?
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> dabaStnd, very funny
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> let's say I asks to set one
[05:26] <vboxw> Gnimsh, pm? I guest so - what is it?
[05:26] <CrippsFX> tritum, thank you. does it support any others ... like, could I install rpm on ubuntu if I wanted to?
[05:26] <Gnimsh> private msg
[05:26] <phoenixp3k> Do I actually set one or not?
[05:26] <tritium> phoenixp3k, if it's asking you for a root password, then you may have downloaded a debian cd image or something
[05:27] <tritium> phoenixp3k, as I've repeatedly said, and as the URL I showed you said, no
[05:27] <vboxw> Gnimsh, ok - I've just a couple of minutes left
[05:27] <phoenixp3k> the install is not the english one, might be a bug in the script
[05:27] <tritium> phoenixp3k, what language are you installing in?
[05:27] <phoenixp3k> french
[05:28] <alexander_> do I need lines in my fstab for a second hard drive I want access to?
[05:28] <agh> mon dieu! pour quois!!!
[05:28] <CrippsFX> alexander_, yes.
[05:28] <alexander_> ah haah
[05:28] <alexander_> closing in :) :)
[05:29] <phoenixp3k> agh, most users home have french as a primary language (so do I)
[05:29] <tritium> CrippsFX, I didn't see your last message until now, since my nick wasn't spelled right...you can install convert rpm to deb with alien and install
[05:29] <agh> phoenixp3k: just kidding man. that's about the extent of my french up there. :)
[05:29] <Janux> Did any of you use Rom-O-Matic to generate bootrom before? the bootrom floppy image that I generated doesn't boot, system retuns invalid disk image message, any clue?
[05:30] <CrippsFX> tritium, ahh ... sorry, and thank you. excellent. then I'll probably try to give ubuntu a try when I get home. is the makedeb package installed on a default install?
[05:30] <tritium> CrippsFX, no, never heard of it, actually
[05:30] <phoenixp3k> agh, no offense taken :p Well, just one last bug to sort out before reinstalling
[05:30] <phoenixp3k> Final problem is Time Zone setting
[05:31] <CrippsFX> Trickyphillips, it's like "rpmbuild" ... only for debian. it allows you to build source into a *.deb
[05:31] <phoenixp3k> (might be the source of the root-passwd prob)
[05:31] <CrippsFX> oops .... tritium ^^
[05:31] <tritium> CrippsFX, there are other packages that can do that.
[05:31] <BrettMeister> Hello folks.  I just am not easy with the single password for both user and root.  Is it possible to set up ubuntu where I have a different password for root access?
[05:31] <tritium> Which software are you expecting to use that for, CrippsFX ?
[05:31] <K_Dallas> tritium: as for my latex problem, I have found a package, textpos, which allows you to place your text any where on the page and rotate it etc. I am still looking for a font to use large and engraved, not found one yet, so i use a gray large font for now
[05:31] <CrippsFX> tritium, specifically ..... the kernel.
[05:31] <tritium> BrettMeister, have you read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo ?
[05:31] <agh> tritium: heck, you can do it manually, if you really want to... :)
[05:32] <phoenixp3k> In the install, when it asks if the clock is on GMT I have to say no right?
[05:32] <Janux> Did any of you use Rom-O-Matic to generate bootrom before? the bootrom floppy image that I generated doesn't boot, system retuns invalid disk image message, any clue?
[05:32] <tritium> CrippsFX, you definitely don't want to do that.  You'd be better off using kernel-package to make .deb kernel images
[05:32] <K_Dallas> phoenixp3k: your choice
[05:32] <mpm> I've been struggling for a couple of weeks trying to get my system to burn cds since upgrading to hoary I lost it; have tried commandline, nautilus, gnomebaker, k3b, and I just get errors; I haven't posted to the forums, because I don't want to duplicate someone else's error; can anyone make reasonable hints about what it might be?
[05:32] <agh> phoenixp3k: well... no, you can choose
[05:32] <CrippsFX> tritium, although, there are some apps that I've got (can't remember which ones) that were a huge pain to rpmbuild that I couldn't find rpms for.
[05:32] <BrettMeister> tritium: Hi, there, Trit.  Thanks for the answer.  I'll try the reference.
[05:32] <phoenixp3k> but I have Windows I dual boot
[05:32] <agh> phoenixp3k: but you're better off using GMT for system, unless you're dual booting.
[05:32] <tritium> K_Dallas, oh, okay.  Sorry I never found anything for you.
[05:32] <phoenixp3k> and time is always messed up under windows
[05:32] <agh> phoenixp3k: then you'll want to use local
[05:33] <CrippsFX> tritium, well, I like to use the newest bleeding edge kernel from kernel.org
[05:33] <K_Dallas> tritium: not at all, i am glad that you answered anyway :)
[05:33] <phoenixp3k> so I have to say NO to the GMT question
[05:33] <tritium> BrettMeister, sure.  It's a good read.  Hopefully you'll find that sudo is more secure than you think.
[05:33] <agh> CrippsFX: ooooh, have you used makekpkg to roll your binaries then?
[05:33] <BrettMeister> tritium: Hmmmm....
[05:33] <tritium> CrippsFX, you can still use kernel-package for that.
[05:33] <agh> CrippsFX: it's much nicer than doing it manually.
[05:33] <CrippsFX> how is power management under ubuntu? I have an acpi laptop, and unfortunately fedora core 3 doesn't let me run off batteries for that.
[05:33] <waterbeetle> downloaded atitvout, will test...
[05:34] <Janux> Hi, how do I format a floppy in bootable format in Ubuntu?
[05:34] <CrippsFX> tritium, they release testing versions? (like 2.6.12-rc4)
[05:34] <tritium> BrettMeister, even the Debian Reference has a section "Working more safely -- sudo": http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-sudo
[05:34] <phoenixp3k> ok
[05:34] <phoenixp3k> let's pray this install works
[05:34] <tritium> CrippsFX, who?
[05:34] <CrippsFX> agh, no, I've never tried it, although, I'm sure I'll get around to it :)
[05:34] <phoenixp3k> (sick up the package, unpacking)
[05:34] <BrettMeister> tritium: Okay.
[05:35] <CrippsFX> tritium, the battery question ..... anybody.
[05:35] <CrippsFX> tritium, or the kernel question ... whoever maintains packages, of course ;)
[05:35] <tritium> CrippsFX, you take the source (whichever you want) and build your own kernel from it as agh says
[05:36] <tritium> the package to install is kernel-package,  and the command you'll use is make-kpkg
[05:36] <mpm> Ok, let me try in different terms; I've put serious time into google and forum searching; can anyone coach me a bit with a CD-Burning Problem please?
[05:36] <Janux> Hi, i am new to Linux, please tell me how to format a bootable floppy? thanks
[05:36] <g14> CrippsFX, ubuntu has some of the best power management capabilities of any linux distro. Suse 9.3 is the only one that compares as far as that goes
[05:36] <CrippsFX> g14, thanks :)
[05:37] <CrippsFX> alright ... its bedtime. goodnight all.
[05:37] <dabaStnd> mpm, topic: Ubuntu Help | Have a question? Just ask! |
[05:38] <mpm> dabaStnd: I thought I did ask it; I need a hand knowing how to assess an overall failure of my system to burn CD's
[05:38] <Thirsteh> Alright, any seasoned people inhere?
[05:38] <goldfish> lol
[05:38] <Janux> Hello? please, I wanna know how to make bootable floppy, any help?
[05:38] <agh> Thirsteh: well, I've got about 12 years experience in the unix world... so... a little seasoned. :)
[05:39] <Thirsteh> I just got mad at my no-hardware-mixer onboard sound card, so I disabled it and put back in my Creative Audigy LS - Million Dollar Question: WTF?
[05:39] <Thirsteh> Hotplug doesn't configure anything at all, ALSA is configured wrong now, there is no typical device manager, there is no Ubuntu control panel?
[05:39] <tritium> Thirsteh, but you didn't tell us what happened....
[05:39] <Thirsteh> Well I don't have any sound lol
[05:39] <Thirsteh> It clicks when ALSA is started, other than that, nada
[05:39] <wsmith> Thirsteh, is it the dell audigy? (or was that the sb live)?
[05:40] <Thirsteh> Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy LS :|
[05:40] <Thirsteh> Not Dell
[05:40] <alexander_> blaahah, the fstab is read only, are you serious?
[05:41] <mpm> alexander_: not if you sudo edit
[05:41] <alexander_> thirsteh, i just fixed my sound on an audigy 2
[05:41] <alexander_> thirsteh, rather I just got it working
[05:41] <Thirsteh> It finds the Audigy card, but "Sigmatel ASTAC" is the first card it opens in the mixers, etc. how do I "activate" this one?
[05:41] <Thirsteh> I can't open alsamixer, it says there are no mixer elems
[05:41] <alexander_> thirsteh, mmm, that's what I had done
[05:41] <BrettMeister> tritium: You're right.  It is an interesting read.  I'm more at ease with this now.  Just a little unfamiliar.  I'll have to work a little harder to understand how to use "sudo".
[05:42] <Thirsteh> alexander_, hmm? :o
[05:42] <agh> BrettMeister: here's a poser for you: what does "sudo su - foo" do?
[05:42] <tritium> BrettMeister, I'm glad you're more comfortable with it.  In the end, the decision is yours, but I do recommend sudo.
[05:42] <alexander_> thirsteh, sorry I got nothing, i ran alsamixer from terminal and unmuted my analog jack
[05:42] <Thirsteh> gahhh
[05:42] <agh> BrettMeister: when you get that one, you will have achived mastery over the sudo kung-fu
[05:43] <alexander_> lol
[05:43] <BrettMeister> agh: Ugh!  I'm too new at all of this to stand up to a poser. :-)
[05:43] <alexander_> have faith
[05:43] <agh> BrettMeister: well, step through it. :)
[05:43] <alexander_> i'll be back...
[05:43] <agh> BrettMeister: first, it's sudo, so you want to do something as root.
[05:43] <agh> BrettMeister: second, the thing you want to do is su - foo (become the user foo)
[05:44] <BrettMeister> agh: Can't remember what "foo" is....
[05:44] <agh> foo is an arbitrary word used in place of identifiers
[05:44] <agh> BrettMeister: so, in this case it could be sudo su - agh to become me
[05:44] <BrettMeister> agh: LOL....crap!  I need to go to bed.
[05:45] <agh> BrettMeister: a motion to adjourn is always in order.
[05:45] <gbic> selinux is disabled by default?
[05:45] <BrettMeister> agh & tritium: Thanks for the civil and helpful responses. :-)
[05:45] <tritium> BrettMeister, of course :)
[05:45] <agh> BrettMeister: we'll try to be more crufty next time. :)
[05:46] <BrettMeister> ;-)
[05:46] <agh> Garrrrrrr, eat flaming death, newbie!
[05:46] <Thirsteh> )#!(/!)(
[05:47] <Thirsteh> Sigghghh
[05:47] <Janux> hello all, how do I format a floppy?
[05:47] <dabaStnd> format a:
[05:47] <gbic> lol
[05:48] <Janux> please, I am serious, how do I format it in Ubuntu?
[05:48] <agh> Janux: low level or high level format?
[05:48] <choop> i'd like to know too how to format
[05:48] <tritium> Janux, Applications->System Tools->Floppy Formatter
[05:48] <choop> ahhhh
[05:48] <Janux> agh: the web site just said that I need to put a formatted floppy disk
[05:48] <choop> is there a command line statement to do so?
[05:48] <agh> Janux: high level then.
[05:48] <tritium> fdformat
[05:48] <Janux> tritium, thanks
[05:48] <agh> Janux: which filesystem do you want it formatted to?
[05:49] <agh> Janux: usually it's fat32
[05:49] <Janux> agh, I guess most probably Linux, I just read the http://www.rom-o-matic.net/5.4.0/
[05:49] <agh> Janux: linux is pretty nice that way, it'll allow you to use lots of different types of filesystems. :)
[05:50] <Janux> but then web site will generate a bootrom of the network card and I cat it to the floppy...so I guess I need linux filesystem?
[05:50] <agh> Janux: each has their good and bad sides. FAT32 is good for small devices, like floppies, and is compatible with both Linux, DOS and a couple of others.
[05:51] <agh> Janux: you cat it to the floppy?!
[05:51] <agh> Janux: not dd?
[05:51] <Janux> that's what the site says
[05:51] <sour-monkey> Gidday
[05:51] <agh> Janux: how neat
[05:51] <agh> Janux: what exactly is the command they give?
[05:52] <capi> I'm having serious trouble getting ubuntu hoary to cd. The checksum is correct, however everytime I try and burn it I'm getting errors. Right now I have a Debootstrap Error
[05:52] <K_Dallas> capi: on windows? if so, do not use NERO
[05:52] <Janux> agh, cat eb-image-file >fd0
[05:52] <Janux> but then on the other web site that points to this web site tells me to dd...so I don't know which is which
[05:52] <agh> Janux: ok, so FAT32 format will do it.
[05:52] <agh> Janux: what they're looking to have you do is to zero the disk.
[05:53] <capi> Is there a free burner you would recomend K_Dallas ?
[05:53] <K_Dallas> capi: as i said look for cdrecord ports for windows
[05:53] <agh> Janux: you could also use something like dd -if=/dev/zero -of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024
[05:53] <agh> Janux: but formatting is probably easier
[05:54] <K_Dallas> capi: this is one: http://smithii.com/?q=node/view/9
[05:54] <emrys_> Is there a way to get Firefox 1.0.4 in Ubuntu through Apt?  I'd like to have the security updates?
[05:54] <Janux> agh, the formatter in system->Floppy formatter gives me error message of cannot format track #0
[05:55] <agh> Janux: hmm. that's odd
[05:55] <Janux> agh, do I have to mount it first?
[05:55] <Thirsteh> Is it possible to restart a service, lets say ALSA, in Ubuntu like in ALL OTHER DISTROS?
[05:55] <agh> Janux: nope, format takes place prior to mounting.
[05:55] <j2dope> gday. I just finished downloading Hoary, am i able to burn to cd, and use it to *upgrade* my current installation, rather than formatting everything?
[05:55] <agh> Janux: the idea is that you take the raw device, format it to create a filesystem, and then you can mount that filesystem.
[05:55] <tritium> Thirsteh, yes, "sudo /etc/init.d/<initscript> restart"
[05:55] <metasquier> how do you change hardware settings after installation?
[05:56] <Thirsteh> tritium, thank you
[05:56] <emrys_> Thirsteh, "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart" for instance.
[05:56] <metasquier> is there a way to re-run the hardware config wizard that runs at installation?
[05:56] <Thirsteh> metasquier, I ask the same question1
[05:56] <agh> Janux: you can give the dd command a try, if you like.
[05:56] <Thirsteh> metasquier, ditto!
[05:56] <metasquier> Thirsteh, gutted
[05:56] <MuStR> tritium: do you know of a way to change a NTFS filesystem to a FAT32?
[05:56] <Thirsteh> agh, you're a funny guy
[05:56] <Janux> okay
[05:56] <metasquier> Thirsteh, I knwo you can edit the XF86........ config file, but I cant be stuffed
[05:56] <tritium> MuStR, no, sorry.  I don't use windows at all.
[05:56] <Janux> agh, o...I mounted the floppy before, that may be why
[05:57] <MuStR> ok
[05:57] <agh> Janux: oh, now that's not gonna work. :)
[05:57] <tritium> MuStR, you're looking for a non-destructive way, I'm guessing?  ;)
[05:57] <metasquier> what da, gut..ted is counted as a thread threat?
[05:57] <metasquier> strainge
[05:57] <Janux> agh, I just umount it and now it's fomatting...
[05:57] <MuStR> haha
[05:57] <agh> Thirsteh: I've worked with computers for about 12 years now professionally. You're either a funny guy after that or a nutter. Or both.
[05:57] <MuStR> yes, tritium
[05:57] <dabaStnd> MuStR: backup reformat...
[05:58] <alexander_> mpm, i could sudo edit, or, i could add permissions correct?
[05:58] <MuStR> nooooo
[05:58] <MuStR> I have a 160 gig hd with my entire music, movie, and app collection
[05:58] <alexander_> mpm, for fstab editing
[05:58] <MuStR> I'd rather not lose that
[05:58] <mpm> sudo gedit or change owner I suppose, but that's not advisable
[05:58] <metasquier> agh, do you know what the hardware config wizard program is called?
[05:58] <amittp> Is there any software in linux that allows me do download leagal mp3 music - looking for napster / itunes clients for linux.
[05:58] <Thirsteh> agh, no, neither, I thought you were answering my question, you weren't mentioning the recipient, my sincerest apologies
[05:58] <alexander_> mpm how come?
[05:58] <mpm> alexander_: just use sudo with the editor of your choice
[05:58] <Thirsteh> amittp, I'm starting to believe there isn't one
[05:59] <agh> metasquier: uh... hardware config wizard? hmmm... make xconfig?
[05:59] <MuStR> dabaStnd: is it only possible to change the filesystem after a format?
[05:59] <tritium> metasquier, what do you need to reconfigure?
[05:59] <mpm> alexander_: I use sudo vi (after sudo cp original to backup)!
[05:59] <Janux> agh, what about making a bootable floppy?
[05:59] <metasquier> agh, ta
[05:59] <Thirsteh> metasquier, tritium, my sound card.
[05:59] <agh> metasquier: I was kidding man. :)
[05:59] <amittp> Thirsteh, :(, So my only option is to run it through some emulator I guess
[05:59] <metasquier> tritium, just want to change some settings regarding me screen and video card, and yes I know you can do it in the config file but I just want to make sure everything else is in order too
[05:59] <agh> metasquier: that's how you configure your kernel build. :)
[05:59] <alexander_> mpm, i'm not certain of the verbiage, "sudo gedit..."
[06:00] <tritium> metasquier, for X, you'd use "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:00] <agh> Janux: bootable floppy? what problem are you trying to solve that needs a bootable floppy?
[06:00] <metasquier> tritium, aaaaah ypu thats the one!!
[06:00] <mpm> alexander_: first $sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.backup then $sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:00] <agh> Janux: because bootable CD's are more in vogue these days, I think. :)
[06:00] <Thirsteh> lol...
[06:00] <alexander_> mpm: thank you much
[06:00] <Thirsteh> my sound card has been working the whole time
[06:01] <Thirsteh> I put my headset in the AUX port xDDDD
[06:01] <Janux> agh, I am trying out the LTSP project, thin client needs to boot from floppy with NIC card image so it can get IP from DHCPd
[06:01] <mpm> alexander_: my pleasure (=
[06:01] <agh> Janux: oh, ok. well ltsp has some pretty good howto's. you need to follow them.
[06:01] <agh> Janux: have you built your kernel yet?
[06:01] <Thirsteh> Still can't open alsamixer though :\
[06:02] <Gnimsh> alrighty everyone I am out for the night, really tired
[06:02] <Janux> agh, not yet...o....make zImage?
[06:02] <agh> Janux: because one of the first things you'll need to do is roll a kustom kernel. default ones are usually too big to fit on the flippy.
[06:02] <capi> What does `Iso Level' mean and is it important to burning Ubuntu?
[06:02] <agh> Janux: well, you need to configure it first.
[06:02] <agh> Janux: so you need to get a really accurate list of all the hardware you want to support on the box you'll be using...
[06:03] <agh> Janux: (ubuntu has excellent hw autodetection, so try booting it that way and then use dmesg to see what got found)
[06:03] <tritium> Janux, you're compiling a kernel?
[06:03] <agh> Janux: LTSP will have advice on which other kernel modules you need to include
[06:03] <mpm> does anyone know a commandline to return the type of motherboard I have?
[06:04] <agh> Janux: and will also have instructions on how to build the bootable floppy.
[06:04] <Janux> agh, anyway, the bootdisk works fine.....I can boot from floppy for now....I probably need to boot from PXE later though....thank you very much
[06:04] <_nate_away> mpm: most BIOS report it during boot, just watch the screen
[06:04] <Janux> agh, thanks for the dd advice, it works very well :)
[06:04] <mpm> ok _nate_away
[06:04] <qweqw> fear tor
[06:04] <Janux> tritium, yes
[06:04] <qweqw> usemasks instead of an outright ban, fantastic!
[06:04] <kakalto> heya
[06:04] <agh> Janux: there's a bit of an art fitting both the kernel and the filesystem onto a single floppy.
[06:05] <agh> Janux: the time I did it (about 6 years ago), busybox had just come out, so things got a lot easier. But it was still annoying.
[06:05] <Janux> agh, all I remember is something like "make bootImage" or something like that after configuring and compiling kernels with modules.
[06:05] <tritium> Janux, thought it was for your ubuntu machine, but it appears to be for thin clients...
[06:05] <agh> Janux: out of curiousity, what are you using LTSP for?
[06:05] <Owl^> toot
[06:05] <Quest-Master> rofl, yes. http://www.flawlesslight.com/screen.jpg
[06:06] <qweqw> Kunkali the Golden Rule is nice
[06:06] <qweqw> zjf yep
[06:06] <qweqw> Kunkali but even non Christians can follow it
[06:06] <qweqw> Kunkali what makes a christian different is that in their growing relationshiop with the Lord
[06:06] <qweqw> Kunkali they become more like Him
[06:06] <qweqw> Kunkali to the point where they naturally DO do things the Bible commands without having to force it
[06:06] <Janux> agh, tritium just wanna try it out cuz it sounds very cool and it looks nice, I got some old machines around but no HD...
[06:06] <qweqw> scary folks
[06:06] <qweqw> very scary
[06:06] <Orunitia> Can someone tell me how I would turn off my laptop touchpad in Gnome?
[06:06] <tritium> qweqw, please stop
[06:06] <Owl^> oh dear... 5hrs I have to wait for more beer
[06:06] <agh> Janux: because if you're interested in booting issues for clusters of more than a dozen or so boxes, you should really check out PXE
[06:06] <mpm> qweqw: you're using Tor to spam us religious dogma?  that's not very ethical
[06:07] <Janux> tritium, yeah, my Ubuntu is being the server although it's Duron 600, I guess it can handle a lot of tasks already as I am sharing with no more than 3 clients.
[06:07] <qweqw> nah, i am quoting from another channel on another server
[06:07] <tritium> Janux, okay
[06:07] <tritium> qweqw, well, please don't
[06:07] <qweqw> i thought that was an interesting quote.. illumating
[06:07] <Owl^> my ubuntu is a normal desktop AND a server... 2 remote users (with ssh) and me, using X
[06:07] <qweqw> and a good reason to be very afraid of certain religions
[06:07] <Janux> agh, yeah....I will check it out later though cuz it looks like I need to spend another day on it to make it working...haha...anyway, thanks again.
[06:07] <kferdous> Any ideas what might be causing me to not get video on the X.org display I can switch to a tty and log in and do work, I know it's not out of range because of how the monitor is acting but i'm getting a pure black screen and i'm sure it's running, because i can hear the audio feed back and see that i'm logged in
[06:07] <psychonate> there is no package for xv in synaptic :(
[06:07] <psychonate> I like xv
[06:08] <tritium> qweqw, it's off-topic here
[06:08] <kferdous> but I can't get any video, not even mouse
[06:08] <shad0w1e> anyone know how I could set up a bootup screen?
[06:08] <qweqw> i know
[06:08] <agh> Janux: np, have fun
[06:08] <Orunitia> Can someone tell me how I would turn off my laptop touchpad in Gnome?
[06:08] <qweqw> i have a linux question as well
[06:08] <psychonate> can anyone recommend an alternative
[06:08] <tritium> kferdous, did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?
[06:08] <agh> qweqw: that's what we like to hear
[06:08] <shad0w1e> psychonate: to ubuntu?
[06:08] <Owl^> use tail
[06:08] <tritium> psychonate, gimp
[06:08] <psychonate> shad0w1e, lol no
[06:08] <Owl^> tail is good
[06:08] <kferdous> tritium; well 1 sec (really helping a friend :) )
[06:09] <psychonate> tritium, something quicker
[06:09] <Orunitia> GAR
[06:09] <torpid> okay, i just installed on a new computer.
[06:09] <shad0w1e> anyone know what I can use to get a graphical startup screen?
[06:09] <tritium> psychonate, imagemagick
[06:09] <wsmith> On a scale of 1 to 10, how does ubuntu deal with the xfree => xorg conversion?
[06:09] <psychonate> gimp takes too long to open, and I don't need to do any editing
[06:09] <torpid> this resolution is terrible.  what is the chipset for the intel extreme graphics 2?
[06:09] <psychonate> just a quick viewer
[06:09] <agh> psychonate: display
[06:09] <regeya> given that god is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, would you like some toast?
[06:09] <tritium> torpid, why are you running that?
[06:09] <shad0w1e> hmm anyone know why my fonts turned giant when I switched over to the "nvidia" driver?
[06:09] <Owl^> regeya, so long, and thanks for all the fish
[06:09] <mpm> What Else should I include in a forum thread asking for help with a CD-burning issue?  I have 1) hdparm for specified drive 2) cdrecord error log 3) gnomebaker errorlog 4) nautilus errorlog 5) dmesg ...
[06:10] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - Is great! - Smooth, fast, stable, with little need for life support apps beyond a firewall and running Bastille once. - I didn't have a care about what OS i am using. - Ubuntu Developers are the best. :)
[06:10] <torpid> tritium, that's what's on my mb
[06:10] <qweqw> regeya, from where did that comment come from?
[06:10] <torpid> ubuntu is awesome.
[06:10] <Thirsteh> Does anybody know what the actual refresh rates are for 85hz?
[06:10] <kakalto> torpid, I agree :)
[06:10] <tritium> torpid, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:10] <mpm> psychonate: try "see whatever.jpg" it uses imagemagick
[06:10] <torpid> tritium, okay, i'll give that a shot and see what happens.
[06:10] <regeya> qweqw: it came from red dwarf it came
[06:10] <qweqw> originally..
[06:11] <mpm> psychonate: or $eog whatever.jpg
[06:11] <Thirsteh> agh, are you running in a 85hz resolution?
[06:11] <qweqw> but what how is that relevant
[06:11] <qweqw> maybe i missed something
[06:11] <regeya> qweqw: someone else other than talkie toaster siad that?
[06:11] <regeya> but whatever; I'm way offtopic
[06:11] <Owl^> display <imagefile>, imagemagick... eog <imagefile>, eye of gnome, gnomes default imageviewer
[06:12] <qweqw> if the universe is infinite, i am bitch-slapping you forever, on an infinite number of earths
[06:12] <agh> qweqw: uh, you said you had a linux related question?
[06:13] <agh> Thirsteh: I'm not sure I understand your question.
[06:13] <Nalioth> IIIEars, why do you need  a firewall, when ubuntu by default is "listen-only"?
[06:13] <qweqw> where can i order a print copy of the POSIX standard
[06:13] <Thirsteh> agh, your monitor, are you running in a resolution with a refresh rate of 85hz?
[06:13] <IIIEars> Tritium - can you FAX me a "flat" beer while your up please?
[06:13] <agh> Thirsteh: dunno. Why do you ask?
[06:13] <mpm> Nalioth: perhaps a firewall would help if you change that listen only configuration?
[06:13] <qweqw> and is there a history on ubuntu.. who it was started by, etc
[06:13] <torpid> tritium, this sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg thing..why isn't it done automatically when i first install?
[06:13] <torpid> it's very helpful
[06:13] <Owl^> the universe has an infinite number of worlds. out of those worlds, a finite number of worlds that have life exist. therefore, finite / infinet is zero, there is zero worlds with life, and intelligent life is just an illusion.
[06:14] <Thirsteh> agh, you've been a Linux guru for two decades and you dunno :(
[06:14] <regeya> two decades!
[06:14] <tritium> torpid, xorg is autoconfigured on install.  not sure what happened during your install...
[06:14] <IIIEars> Nalioth - easier for me to configure NAT - you wouldn't want my wife's XP machine directly exposed to the 'Net would you? - lol
[06:14] <agh> qweqw: posix standard can be ordered from IEEE's bookshop IIRC
[06:14] <tritium> IIIEars, coming right up...
[06:14] <qweqw> in an infinite universe anything that is possible will happen
[06:14] <Cybermagellan> hey all I made a banner for webservers....if anyone wants to make any comments/suggestions let me know http://68.231.152.140:8080/apache2-default/webserver.png
[06:14] <Nalioth> mpm i'm sure a firewall makes sense for some instances
[06:15] <qweqw> oh, the volume is probably $150 bucks in that case
[06:15] <Nalioth> IIIEars, as if it matters if its directly or indirectly exposed (what was the old saying? Windows (tm) is the only virus that you pay money for)
[06:15] <kakalto> does anyone know what font is used on dvd buttons?
[06:15] <qweqw> could print it off the internet for cheaper, no doubt
[06:15] <agh> Thirsteh: yeah, I don't really care. I got this big ass trinitron tube about 2 years ago. it's some sickening resolution / refresh. haven't messed with it since. :)
[06:16] <IIIEars> Windows - Install, Connect, Reinstall. - lol
[06:16] <agh> regeya: he's exaggerating. only 12 years (professionally)
[06:16] <qweqw> ubuntu came out of nowhere, already highly-polished even if it is a derivative
[06:16] <qweqw> how did it  come about
[06:16] <qweqw> where  can i read ubuntu's history
[06:16] <qweqw> ?
[06:16] <Thirsteh> agh, lol
[06:16] <brokenladder> can someone tell me how to get my screen resolution normal for the love of god?
[06:16] <daniels> qweqw: it's a very short history
[06:17] <daniels> brokenladder: a) that's the first question you've asked since you joined, and wildly non-specific, b) please calm down
[06:17] <qweqw> brokenladder, edit your X conf file
[06:17] <dabaStnd> qweqw: ubuntuhistory.org...
[06:17] <brokenladder> do i need to directly edit my...
[06:17] <brokenladder> oh...yeah.
[06:17] <regeya> argh
[06:17] <IIIEars> Brokenladder - CTRL+ALT+NUMPAD (Plus Key)
[06:17] <brokenladder> the screen resolution selector doesn't work.
[06:17] <qweqw> did you just make that up, dabaStnd
[06:17] <regeya> wqeqw: not very good at research are we...
[06:17] <qweqw> select a single resolution than, brokenladder
[06:18] <dabaStnd> right...:)
[06:18] <regeya> sorry
[06:18] <brokenladder> that ctl-alt thing doesn't work
[06:18] <mainer1> sudo su enter passwd type xorgconfig,enter answer questions,restartx
[06:18] <mainer1> in terminal
[06:18] <tritium> mainer1, no, that's not the preferred approach
[06:18] <mpm> qweqw go read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
[06:18] <qweqw> start with 1024x768@60hz, or something around that, brokenladder
[06:18] <tritium> brokenladder, have you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[06:18] <brokenladder> yes
[06:18] <brokenladder> i just did
[06:19] <tritium> what did it do?
[06:19] <brokenladder> a bunch of questions.
[06:19] <daniels> mainer1: please don't recommend xorgconfig
[06:19] <IIIEars> or if it wasn't detected properly dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xorg   is that right?
[06:19] <qweqw> some very high resolutions will not work on X, even if they do on windows
[06:19] <brokenladder>  i'll just edit xorg.conf since the gui system doesn't give me any option besides uber low resolution
[06:19] <tritium> IIIEars, right on, dude :)
[06:19] <mainer1> o.k.,sorry,i won't
[06:19] <brokenladder> my screen is huge
[06:19] <qweqw> thanks, mpm
[06:19] <IIIEars> (14 days won't make me a guru. - grin
[06:19] <dabaStnd> This is a screenshot of copyrighted computer software?
[06:20] <tritium> brokenladder, what did the dpkg-reconfigure do?
[06:20] <qweqw> brokenladder, when you get to the configure dialog, deselect everything above 1024x768
[06:20] <qweqw> very easy to do
[06:21] <qweqw> look on your monitor for the hsync/vsync values, or failing that, the model number.. put that in a google search
[06:21] <tritium> brokenladder, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:21] <ag1> harumph. I hate it when network thingies clobber my tcp session. :(
[06:21] <qweqw> you may need more specific numbers, brokenladder
[06:21] <qweqw> it's generally a good idea to be specific
[06:22] <qweqw> 40oz of king kobra, biatch
[06:23] <qweqw> fear my ghetto style
[06:23] <ag1> qweqw: I'd prefer to phear it, if you don't mind
[06:23] <brokenladder> anyone know how much video memory in intel extreme graphics 2, or does it just use system ram?
[06:23] <Nalioth> Colt .45 ! just like Billy Dee!
[06:23] <qweqw> that's fine. your submission gladdens me.
[06:23] <mainer1> man,i'm 3of3 today,i'll just listen for a while,today has not been a good day,anyway,goodnight-all,peace
[06:23] <ag1> brokenladder: have you checked out the spec page?
[06:24] <qweqw> brokenladder, "intel extreme graphics 2" .. that's the entire name?
[06:24] <sunux> 
[06:24] <qweqw> you can get away with leaving that field blank
[06:24] <ag1> brokenladder: or looked in your motherboard manual?
[06:25] <ag1> whoah, it's getting way past my bedtime. night all.
[06:25] <mpm> Ok I documented my cdrecord problem if anyone has strength in that area; I would be forever grateful: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=169984#post169984
[06:25] <qweqw> sweet dreams
[06:26] <qweqw> why are you specifiying the device, mpm
[06:26] <Thirsteh> Is it possible to remove the installation CD as a possible media of installation?
[06:26] <ivoks> Thirsteh yes
[06:26] <mpm> covering all my bases; it actually fails on both my cdr and dvdr so it's not device specific, but whatever; i included what seemed appropriate from reading similar threads
[06:27] <Thirsteh> ivoks, ..............................................................how?
[06:27] <dabaStnd> mpm, why would you burn cds that way?
[06:27] <ivoks> Thirsteh in /etc/apt/sources/list, remove line containg cdrom
[06:27] <Thirsteh> ivoks, thanks
[06:27] <tritium> Thirsteh, or at least comment it out...
[06:28] <ivoks> tritium same thing
[06:28] <Nalioth> Thirsteh, yes
[06:28] <mpm> dabaStnd: which way?  with cdrecord?  I've tried K3b, gnomebaker, nautilus, and cdrecord on the commandline (for the verbose diagnostic output)
[06:28] <tritium> ivoks, of course
[06:28] <qweqw> cdrecord is the best, anyway
[06:28] <ivoks> tritium comment or remove, couse if he uncomment it, he will still need to do apt-cdrom add
[06:29] <mpm> well the others all use cdrecord I believe
[06:29] <dabaStnd> tha otha..
[06:29] <tritium> ivoks, commenting it out is sufficient.  What's your question?
[06:29] <atrophic> I can't get file-roller to open rar files.  Can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or recommend something else?
[06:29] <sig> atrophic: apt-get install rar
[06:30] <sig> or apt-get install unrar
[06:30] <sig> rar x name.rar
[06:30] <atrophic> I have unrar
[06:30] <mpm> atrophic: save to a directory and untar later
[06:30] <qweqw> are you writing the cd as root?
[06:30] <sig> atrophic: apt-get install rar
[06:30] <sig> then: rar x name.rar
[06:30] <tritium> mpm, have you used the scanbus option to search for the device to specify?
[06:30] <rodrigo> pico conchetumare
[06:30] <atrophic> I was under the impression you needed unrar OR rar to work with the files in file-roller, is that wrong?
[06:30] <qweqw> ll -l /dev/hdd
[06:31] <sig> sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[06:31] <tritium> mpm, e.g., cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI:  is what works for me
[06:31] <tritium> mpm, also, you can try dev=ATA:
[06:31] <mpm> tritium: I can't recall it's been a few weeks on this same problem (well evenings anyway) let me try now. what's the syntax "$cdrecord /dev/hdd foo -scanbus ? ok thanks got it
[06:31] <tritium> mpm, once you find it, you can configure it in /etc/default/cdrecord
[06:32] <sig> it's lame they use an unofficial release
[06:32] <qweqw> if you are using an SCSI drive and an ATAPI drive, you need to specificy which system to use
[06:32] <atrophic> rar isn't in the repositories I have, anybody know a good repository to add?
[06:32] <benplaut> this is just plain weird... i start using Ubuntu, and then a pretty much regular windows user asks me to set up a dual-boot linux system. Then another, (very computer illiterate) who has had horrible luck with viruses, asks me for linux; i give him Ubuntu LiveCD. Then, one calls me on the phone asking "Can i run linux on windows 98?", wanting to rejuvinate his old celeron system, but knowing nothing about it...
[06:33] <rodrigo> pico conchetumare
[06:33] <tritium> atrophic, rar is in multiverse
[06:33] <mike_douglas> anyone know how to get the dictionary working in openoffice.org2?
[06:33] <sig> cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
[06:33] <sig> LOL
[06:33] <qweqw> what's weird about computer illiteracy, benplaut ?
[06:33] <sig> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
[06:33] <mpm> tritium here's the output from cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI http://pastebin.ca/11645 was I supposed to supply an argument ? Not, right? that was just a query...
[06:34] <benplaut> qweqw: nothing... except the fact that 3 people that i hardly know want linux...
[06:34] <tritium> mpm, add a ":" to the end of "ATAPI"
[06:34] <sig> cdrecord dev=help
[06:34] <tritium> mpm, ah, look, it found 2 devices
[06:34] <qweqw> cdrecord -scanbus should work fine, there's no need to specific ATAPI, as it lists device on it default
[06:34] <qweqw> specify, even
[06:34] <tritium> qweqw, sometimes there is the need to do so
[06:34] <mpm> tritium: yes I have 2 a cdr and a dvdr
[06:35] <qweqw> well, educate them, benplaut
[06:35] <sig> cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer.
[06:35] <Dreamer3> can someone help me test a problem with ubuntu?
[06:35] <tritium> mpm, so you can configure /etc/default/cdrecord :)
[06:35] <mpm> looking now tritium
[06:35] <Dreamer3> can someone help me test a problem with ubuntu (it's a firefox issue and you'll need to sign up for a free backpackit.com account - i have a weird glitch with the system they can't reproduce)...?
[06:36] <qweqw> lol
[06:36] <qweqw> slick, dragoonz
[06:36] <IIIEars> benplaut. - single boot your frinds former win98 system.  the grub setup in Ubuntu is a little uncertain in selecting partition s for dual boot systems.
[06:36] <qweqw> Dreamer3, that is
[06:36] <benplaut> qweqw: the problem is that is they fry their partitions, i don't want to have anything to do with it... and i don't exactly know them
[06:36] <Dreamer3> qweqw: huh?
[06:37] <qweqw> typing to myself
[06:37] <benplaut> IIIEars: that's what i'm thinking... but i really don't want to be tech support... (but Ubuntu Forums are a great resource)
[06:37] <qweqw> i might try that strategy to get a free ipod
[06:37] <IIIEars> Aren't they a pleasant surprise! :)
[06:37] <qweqw> then leave them on windows, benplaut
[06:37] <benplaut> qweqw: that's what i'm doing, for now
[06:38] <qweqw> if they want linux, and manage to fuck it up, then too bad for them
[06:38] <benplaut> they just aren't ready for it... and their parents would probably have them switch it back
[06:38] <qweqw> if they can always reboot back into windows, no big deal
[06:38] <IIIEars> let them use the live CD for a week - the suspense will just kill them - Ubuntu will be installed very soon. - grin
[06:38] <benplaut> they don't want to go the the trouble of making it work, they just want to have it work
[06:39] <benplaut> they all have LiveCDs now :)
[06:39] <qweqw> that's no fun
[06:39] <benplaut> they don't want to learn, pretty much
[06:39] <qweqw> you're referring the re-partitioning their hard drive, by messing it up.. ?
[06:40] <benplaut> well, or using root and deleting a system file... etc
[06:40] <qweqw> i've resized dozens of partitions using parted, with zero errors or lost files
[06:40] <Dreamer3> anyone want to help?
[06:40] <qweqw> don't tell them about sudo ;)
[06:40] <benplaut> hehehe
[06:40] <benplaut> that might work
[06:41] <IIIEars> benplaut - if you have a disk imaging program. copy the raw disk to a file they can always go back. - if they ever want to. ;)
[06:41] <benplaut> IIIEars: i'll get one :)
[06:41] <qweqw> if they are that ignorant, it's not like they'll need it
[06:42] <benplaut> yeah...
[06:42] <qweqw> hope they don't like games, though
[06:42] <benplaut> basically, i need about 2 hours on each computer to set them up with XFCE, and Wine Office XP
[06:42] <benplaut> one likes games, but he did his research and found out about dual booting
[06:43] <benplaut> i think i'll give his Ark
[06:43] <benplaut> *him
[06:43] <qweqw> that a card game?
[06:43] <qweqw> sounds familiar
[06:43] <benplaut> no, the distro
[06:43] <Dreamer3> ok, how can i give another user access to my display in X?
[06:43] <benplaut> very windows freindly
[06:43] <Dreamer3> i want to be able to launch an app as someone else to test it
[06:43] <qweqw> never heard of it
[06:43] <goofrider> u mean ArchLinux?
[06:43] <qweqw> ubuntu is the friendliest i have ever tried, easily
[06:44] <mpm> tritium I'm staring at /etc/default/cdrecord alongside cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI: and trying to figure out what to edit into that conf file.  is it the 3 digit string separated by commas?
[06:44] <benplaut> well, but he has been using Win XO since it came out, so i think it would be nice to give him a control panel
[06:44] <goofrider> There are friendlier ones, like Xandros
[06:44] <benplaut> but Ark is GPL...
[06:44] <goofrider> but it's not as open
[06:45] <benplaut> here:
[06:45] <benplaut> http://www.arklinux.org/
[06:45] <goofrider> It's Linux, it's all GPL  lol
[06:45] <tritium> mpm, yes, and specify CDR_DEVICE
[06:45] <Dreamer3> hmmm...
[06:45] <goofrider> Xandros has a free ISO version, u should try that
[06:45] <Dreamer3> i forget how to launch a remote app with ssh
[06:45] <goofrider> use X forwarding
[06:45] <qweqw> damn, control panel is copied straight out of windows XP
[06:45] <goofrider> ssh -X
[06:45] <qweqw> on ark
[06:45] <benplaut> yeah...
[06:46] <benplaut> big selling point, though
[06:46] <qweqw> i suppose that's a good choice
[06:46] <Dreamer3> got it
[06:46] <qweqw> assuming that it has other things going for it than a resemblance to windows
[06:47] <benplaut> dunno...
[06:47] <goofrider> I think that's a fallacy in itself, if u make it looks so much like Windows, ppl will expect it behave like Windows
[06:47] <benplaut> distrowatch says it is built from scratch, so no apt...
[06:47] <goofrider> and run all Windows apps
[06:47] <qweqw> good point, goofrider
[06:47] <benplaut> well, all this guy needs is Office XP and firefox
[06:47] <qweqw> i got someone using ubuntu awhile ago; they prefer it to windows.
[06:47] <benplaut> took me 3 hours to convince him to get firefox, but he asked for linux?!?
[06:48] <goofrider> Why OpenOffice isn't sufficient?
[06:48] <qweqw> the look, that is
[06:48] <goofrider> or Koofice
[06:48] <benplaut> in my school, powerpoint is our life and blood
[06:48] <goofrider> it's not like he's doing PivotTables and writing VBA scripts
[06:48] <qweqw> compatibility isn't 100%
[06:48] <benplaut> Impress just doesn't cut it...
[06:48] <qweqw> it sucks, in fact
[06:48] <goofrider> But he probably doesn't need 100% compat
[06:48] <tritium> goofrider, for equations, only LaTeX will do ;)
[06:48] <qweqw> true, as far as the writer goes
[06:49] <mpm> tritum I think it's burning :-) do you know why this might have broken with the upgrade to Hoary?
[06:49] <benplaut> qweqw: well... pre2.0 is OK
[06:49] <K_Dallas> LaTeX is the only ;)
[06:49] <goofrider> PPT compatiblity probably isn't gr8 in OpenOffice though
[06:49] <qweqw> you mean the latest beta?
[06:49] <qweqw> it's not at all, goofrider
[06:49] <benplaut> yeah
[06:49] <tritium> mpm, cdrecord is never configured, since nautilus doesn't use it
[06:49] <rodrigo> pico conchetumare
[06:50] <qweqw> i'll have to try it out
[06:50] <qweqw> 2.0, that is
[06:50] <mpm> tritium: my nautilus error output is full of references to cdrecord
[06:50] <tritium> rodrigo, you keep saying that every now and then...
[06:50] <benplaut> yeah... impress is a vast improvement
[06:50] <tritium> mpm, hmm...
[06:50] <qweqw> that's good to know, because i'm sick of the MS office monopoly
[06:50] <goofrider> me too
[06:51] <benplaut> i am not anti-microsoft...
[06:51] <benplaut> i am anti-windows
[06:51] <kevin06> Has anyone else been having issues with Thunderbird? When I click something that opens up the mail composer, it freezes.
[06:51] <goofrider> I mean, I love Pivot Table but other than that I use about 10% of the Office features
[06:51] <gnu-> I'm having a problem with the ubuntu install, once I boot off the cd and press enter and after it prints out a lot of text the screen goes blank and then slanted lines appear and jump all over the screen.
[06:51] <qweqw> i am anti-proprietary formats
[06:51] <benplaut> IMHO, OOo is still light-years behind MS Office
[06:51] <qweqw> yeah, it is
[06:52] <qweqw> MS office is an excellent piece of software
[06:52] <mpm> gnu-:  did you try hitting f5 to see the alternate boot options?
[06:52] <goofrider> but matching MS Office feature-for-feature is not the target
[06:52] <qweqw> but, i'd still like to see some standards on the document formats
[06:52] <benplaut> yeah...
[06:52] <goofrider> I'd really rather see less bloat
[06:52] <qweqw> me too
[06:52] <gnu-> mpm: nope, is there one I need to pick instead of the default?
[06:52] <benplaut> i dunno... bloat is good for powerpoint, etc...
[06:52] <qweqw> i use abiword a lot of the time
[06:52] <qweqw> very lean
[06:52] <Nalioth> less bloat.....more standardized
[06:53] <goofrider> benplaut, bloat is bloat
[06:53] <Nalioth> sounds like a beer commercial
[06:53] <goofrider> what's better is extensibilty
[06:53] <qweqw> full-featured does not equal bloated, all the time
[06:53] <goofrider> like Firefox + extension
[06:53] <benplaut> true...
[06:53] <goofrider> u add what u need
[06:53] <mpm> gnu-: well that's what I've done when normal install has errors; one common thing to try is noapic nolapic in some situations; I'm no expert but a little trial and errror has worked for me on quite a few ubuntu installs on older machines
[06:54] <benplaut> w/e... i still <3 Powerpoint XP/2003
[06:54] <goofrider> apt-get, cpan, rubygems are all very good examples
[06:54] <qweqw> something like that at least
[06:54] <qweqw> modular is better, if done right
[06:54] <goofrider> benplaut, hmmm.. u think SMIL and SVG can replace PPT as a presentation format?
[06:55] <goofrider> I mean, really, PPT are just freaking slides
[06:55] <tritium> pdf presentations work just fine for me
[06:55] <qweqw> microsoft will have to support those formats, eventually
[06:55] <qweqw> doubt ppt will be replaced
[06:55] <benplaut> but it is the the most widely used standard...
[06:56] <goofrider> so...?
[06:56] <goofrider> SMIL and SVG are standards as well
[06:56] <qweqw> they'll sabotage it in some way, like they tend to do
[06:56] <gnu-> mpm: ok, I'll experiment with some of them then. Thanks
[06:56] <benplaut> yeah...
[06:56] <goofrider> and any modern browsers can view them
[06:56] <goofrider> there's no tools, unfortunatelt
[06:56] <qweqw> "embrace and extend".. biatches.
[06:57] <benplaut> oh? what browsers can natively view SVG?
[06:57] <goofrider> well, except properitary ones
[06:57] <goofrider> well, ok, any browsers can view them with proper plugins
[06:57] <goofrider> &^^(*&
[06:57] <mpm> gnu-:  It's not very time consuming in my experience, after boot most install problems occur rather soon; but I've only installed it maybe 15 times
[06:57] <K_Dallas> benplaut: if you get a hold of firefox trunk builds, they do
[06:58] <goofrider> mpm, have u tried a live cd?
[06:58] <K_Dallas> or wait for firefox 2.0
[06:58] <benplaut> i will...
[06:58] <mpm> goofrider: yes, before I installed my first Ubuntu system, I played with a livecd
[06:58] <goofrider> K_Dallas, !!!!! wow. goof stuff
[06:58] <qweqw> or just get mozilla-browser from the repositories
[06:58] <qweqw> it's better
[06:58] <goofrider> mpm, so live cd work but the installer doesn't?
[06:58] <benplaut> hate to say it...
[06:58] <benplaut> but...
[06:58] <benplaut> BLOAT!
[06:59] <goofrider> mpm, maybe u can try booting the live cd then put in the installer CD and run the installer?
[06:59] <qweqw> mozilla? no way. you can get it without the mail/irc client
[06:59] <mpm> goofrider: I think you're meaning to address gnu- he's the one who was having the issue; i was just helping :-)
[06:59] <goofrider> or use deboostrap (not for the faint of heart though)
[06:59] <qweqw> it's less resources intensive than firefox
[06:59] <ivoks> tritium
[06:59] <goofrider> oh oh sure
[06:59] <tritium> ivoks, yes?
[06:59] <goofrider> oh oh sorry
[06:59] <mpm> np
[06:59] <ivoks> tritium ubuntu-motu, ok?
[06:59] <tritium> ivoks, I'm there
[06:59] <K_Dallas> qweqw: i agree but their latest nightly builds ar epretty decent
[06:59] <benplaut> i g2g...
[06:59] <benplaut> bye for now!
[07:00] <qweqw> too bad opera costs $$$
[07:00] <qweqw> that's the best browser, hands down
[07:01] <mpm> geeze I'm so spoiled by gnome, I don't even know where to locate my cdrom in the directory tree under xfce
[07:01] <goofrider> nah.. Amaya rox
[07:01] <goofrider> j/k
[07:01] <tritium> no desktop or browser wars please ;)
[07:01] <gnu-> mpm: yeah first thing I tried worked (linux vga=771 noapic nolapic)
[07:01] <qweqw> lol
[07:01] <goofrider> I never liked Gnome until I tried Ubuntu
[07:01] <IIIEars> lol
[07:01] <mpm> woot gnu- :-)
[07:01] <qweqw> people get passionate over their browser choice, i guess
[07:02] <goofrider> I can't live without my Firefox extensions
[07:02] <goofrider> I can't think of using any other browser
[07:02] <K_Dallas> that is why i prefer opera for the time being ;)
[07:02] <mpm> firefox is actually responsible for luring me away from windows to linux!
[07:03] <qweqw> that's a good thing
[07:03] <K_Dallas> opera has all the good extensions, and is faster
[07:03] <mpm> agreed'
[07:03] <goofrider> what good extensions?
[07:03] <qweqw> i've been using linux for 8 years, and it's just now really starting to become mainstream
[07:03] <IIIEars> Firefox was the carrot IE browser exploits were the stick. :)
[07:03] <qweqw> firefox is definitely a factor
[07:03] <qweqw> in that
[07:03] <K_Dallas> those you use in firefox, opera has them built-in
[07:04] <goofrider> qweqw, Apache as well
[07:04] <goofrider> and PHP
[07:04] <qweqw> apache has always owne
[07:04] <qweqw> d
[07:04] <qweqw> i meant desktops specifically, though
[07:04] <goofrider> qweqw, that's funny cause no-one would ever say KDE or Gnome were the factor that ppl switched
[07:05] <goofrider> LMAO
[07:05] <rudi246> hello
[07:05] <goofrider> not that they're not gr8 desktop environments
[07:05] <K_Dallas> to be honest, those are one reason i still prefer windows
[07:05] <K_Dallas> they do not compare to windows
[07:05] <qweqw> bloated
[07:05] <qweqw> is what they are
[07:05] <goofrider> K_Dallas, u mean u think Explorer is a better desktop?
[07:05] <goofrider> *vomits*
[07:06] <gorilla_> qweqw, X-windows is bloated enough by itself :-(
[07:06] <kakalto> Explorer? what's that
[07:06] <qweqw> no kidding
[07:06] <K_Dallas> goofrider: i believe so
[07:06] <gorilla_> Exploiter perhasp??
[07:06] <goofrider> Explorer is sooo unstable and unreliable
[07:06] <qweqw> i'd love to see a modern implementation of the protocol
[07:07] <goofrider> qweqw, X might be code bloat, but the protocol is actually fair good
[07:07] <K_Dallas> goofrider: i know that yet, under XP they are not that bad as you pretend to be and working under that environment is much easier and faster than kde or gnome
[07:07] <IIIEars> gorilla - I dunno puppy linux isn't bloated. after you install it what can you do with it. - Pffft! nada.
[07:07] <goofrider> Look how MS is doing Terminal Server
[07:08] <K_Dallas> that is why in my linux i prefer windows maker or ion that i have discovered recently
[07:08] <goofrider> X Windows primitive calls are faster and more sophiticated
[07:08] <qweqw> it's at least as good as any other network transparent windows system
[07:08] <qweqw> better, usually
[07:08] <K_Dallas> (i only talk about my presonal home usage)
[07:08] <goofrider> K_Dallas, I started using Desktop Linux only a month ago
[07:09] <qweqw> windowing
[07:09] <K_Dallas> windows explorer on my system is: faster than kde/gnome, gives me more control over my mouse and clinking and switching etc, and is much nicer to eye
[07:09] <qweqw> rubber keyboard, X and beer.. typos galore
[07:09] <goofrider> I still use Windows on my primary desktop, but most certain not because of the desktop eniroment.
[07:09] <IIIEars> lol
[07:09] <goofrider> There are just too many Windows apps I can't leave beind yet
[07:09] <K_Dallas> that is not the main reason but is a factor for sure
[07:10] <goofrider> But I constantly fight with Explorer
[07:10] <K_Dallas> wherever i want to be fast, writing programs, reports, and surfing and searching etc, windows is still the way to go for me
[07:10] <qweqw> i've got it installed on my anyone-can-use computer.
[07:10] <mae> So um
[07:10] <goofrider> it eats a lot of CPU cycles (from shelll extensions probably)
[07:10] <qweqw> windows is great for games
[07:10] <K_Dallas> goofrider: i must be lucky, i do not have much trouble with XP
[07:10] <mae> what is the correct way to downgrade from breezy
[07:10] <mae> I am getting alot of unresolved dependencies that i don't want to worry about
[07:10] <goofrider> Explorer has too many shell hooks, and u can't really tell what it's doing
[07:10] <IIIEars> Windows is good for games. - just don't connect with it.
[07:11] <tritium> K_Dallas, nor do I
[07:11] <qweqw> well, windows xp is a big step up from windows ME and previous
[07:11] <K_Dallas> :)
[07:11] <CrankyBen> Hi all,
[07:11] <qweqw> it's never crashed
[07:11] <qweqw> for me
[07:11] <tritium> games, I crave not these things
[07:11] <goofrider> everything is a god damn shell hook... some desktop icons, control panels, proterty sheets
[07:11] <CrankyBen> I'm a new Ubuntu user and I have a question which is probably very simple
[07:11] <K_Dallas> the truth to be told, i am all against MS monopoly, that is the main reason i use linux
[07:11] <rudi246> how can i install a deb packet in ubuntu?
[07:11] <qweqw> same here, K_Dallas
[07:11] <CrankyBen> rudi: dpkg -i <name.deb>
[07:11] <goofrider> It really sucks when Explorer crash can u can't fix anything because u need explorer just to VIEW those properties
[07:11] <K_Dallas> :)
[07:12] <qweqw> plus, i like to see the code..
[07:12] <rudi246> thnx
[07:12] <tritium> I use linux because it has the best tools for scientific computing
[07:12] <qweqw> that's an advantage a lot of the  time, goofrider
[07:12] <bluemax> is it just me or is half the internet broken?
[07:12] <K_Dallas> i loved my ibm/sun/sg workstations,they were pretty powerfull :)
[07:12] <nnonix> I can't wait for google to crush the competition so we can hate them too
[07:13] <CrankyBen> I just used parted to break up my Ubuntu partition into two smaller ones... I can see the second partition in gparted. How do I make it so it mounts at boot?
[07:13] <IIIEars> lol
[07:13] <IIIEars> google = the borg.
[07:13] <goofrider> qweqw, not from the perpective of someone whose friends call only when they need their computer fixed
[07:13] <qweqw> google is already morphing into an Evil Corporation
[07:13] <mae> Err, is it possible to downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[07:13] <qweqw> some friends
[07:13] <K_Dallas> i am glad to see them back up from their recent webaccelerator :) they have stopped the download
[07:14] <nnonix> yes, giving you free shit is the definition of Evil.
[07:14] <goofrider> K_Dallas, I got a bunch of Sparcstations around here, maybe u can come pick ithem up
[07:14] <qweqw> you gotta use eachother mutually, man
[07:14] <Segovia> google is evil too - http://www.google-watch.org/  :)
[07:14] <qweqw> that's what friendship is all about
[07:14] <K_Dallas> goofrider: sparcs were neat too
[07:14] <qweqw> i require beer and marijuana to fix computers.. lots of both
[07:14] <goofrider> I think I like Linux mostly because of the development model
[07:15] <goofrider> Just how rapidly things evolves, and how user's wishes gr8 implemented faster, bugs get fixed sooner, etc
[07:15] <K_Dallas> the mere fact that i see the diagnostics on my monitor when linux boots up or shuts down is a + for me :)
[07:15] <CrankyBen> Is this a channel for Ubuntu help? Because I see many questions float past with no answers, but a lot of chat about windows VS ubuntu etc
[07:15] <qweqw> imo, open-source projects are higher quality
[07:15] <qweqw> lol
[07:15] <qweqw> i haven't seen any questions
[07:15] <goofrider> K_Dallas, no kidding. I hate troubleshooting Windows boot process
[07:15] <qweqw> repeat, if you have one
[07:15] <CrankyBen> right, well I'll cut and paste two that I saw for you
[07:15] <K_Dallas> CrankyBen: if i know the answer, i answer, if not i do not
[07:15] <goofrider> even the screen log mode is useless
[07:15] <CrankyBen> #1: I just used parted to break up my Ubuntu partition into two smaller ones... I can see the second partition in gparted. How do I make it so it mounts at boot?
[07:16] <goofrider> the recovery console is useless
[07:16] <CrankyBen> #2 mae Err, is it possible to downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[07:16] <qweqw> edit fstab for #1
[07:16] <K_Dallas> CrankyBen: modify your /etc/fstab
[07:16] <goofrider> (u can't run any win32 console apps in the recovery console at all, it's not a cmd.exe shell)
[07:16] <qweqw> #2 no
[07:16] <qweqw> #2 reinstall
[07:16] <CrankyBen> okay good, #1 was my question :)
[07:16] <K_Dallas> any more questions? ;)
[07:16] <IIIEars> reinstalling is going to be a lot easier.
[07:16] <CrankyBen> Sorry, I'm new to IRC too
[07:16] <tritium> CrankyBen, if people know the answer, they will answer.  Sometimes questions go unanswered...
[07:17] <CrankyBen> how do i privtae message? using x-chat
[07:17] <qweqw> right click
[07:17] <qweqw> on any name
[07:17] <qweqw> open dialog window
[07:17] <tritium> CrankyBen, in mae's case, he upgraded to breezy, which he's explicitly asked not to do in the topic.
[07:17] <qweqw> then type away
[07:17] <goofrider> downgrade to hoary.. maybe u can pin hoary to pin-priorty 1001
[07:17] <goofrider> then do a dist-upgrade
[07:17] <qweqw> irc will suck the life out of you
[07:17] <goofrider> but at your own risk
[07:17] <goofrider> LOL
[07:18] <qweqw> it will cause you to fail in school
[07:18] <qweqw> get fired from work
[07:18] <stuNNed> lol
[07:18] <qweqw> and gain lots of weight
[07:18] <choop> help please: install CD-ROM prompted for eject/reboot then hung at "Starting hotplug system"
[07:18] <mae> goofrider, how do i go about pinning hoary to priority 1001 :\
[07:18] <mae> is that an apt command?
[07:19] <goofrider> read the apt-howto
[07:19] <qweqw> unplug any peripherals, choop
[07:19] <choop> mouse/keyboard?
[07:19] <goofrider> u have to create an /etc/apt/preferences file
[07:19] <IIIEars> sought help for IRC addiction - didn't do a bit o' good - the meetings were online....
[07:19] <qweqw> no
[07:19] <choop> those are the only peripherals plugged in.
[07:19] <tritium> mae, man apt_preferences
[07:19] <choop> let me check the printer...
[07:19] <choop> printer now unplugged
[07:19] <qweqw> do you have any slots in the machine that are hotpluggable?
[07:19] <goofrider> I'll pvt u with the content
[07:20] <choop> 6 USB
[07:20] <choop> no mobo slots hotpluggable
[07:20] <goofrider> fuck, how do u /pvt?
[07:20] <qweqw> ok..
[07:20] <choop> check that - 4 USB
[07:20] <heatxsink> anyone run lirc on their ubuntu box?
[07:20] <goofrider> It's been sooo many eyars since I used IRC
[07:20] <qweqw>  /msg
[07:21] <goofrider> <-- fucktard
[07:21] <qweqw> that work,  choop?
[07:21] <choop> screen just went black
[07:21] <choop> space key brought it back
[07:21] <CrankyBen> K_Dallas: OKay, I need to edit fstab. I havent done that before... is it simple?
[07:21] <choop> it's just stopped. cursor flashing.
[07:21] <rudi246> choop is this a asus board?
[07:21] <qweqw> did you reboot?
[07:21] <choop> maybe rudi.. can't remember
[07:21] <sir-gold> does anyone here use dual monitors?
[07:22] <choop> no qweqw - sorry, n00b here
[07:22] <qweqw> have you tried ctrl+c?
[07:22] <qweqw> try rebooting
[07:22] <choop> ctrl-c just now, didn't do nothing
[07:22] <choop> big red button or ctrl+alt+del?
[07:22] <qweqw> ctrl+alt+del, preferably
[07:22] <K_Dallas> CrankyBen: i use nano (or pico) to edit simple text files
[07:22] <choop> ouch. no response.
[07:22] <qweqw> sounds like it's ignoring keycodes anyway
[07:23] <K_Dallas> you need root privilege to do that though
[07:23] <choop> B-R-Bing now.
[07:23] <CrankyBen> K_Dallas: yup im in pico right now :) What options do I need to enter in the fstab for my new volume? same as my / volume?
[07:23] <qweqw> i forget of the hotplug check is before or after the hard drive mount
[07:23] <choop> fingers crossed
[07:23] <bluemax> is ubuntuforums.org down?
[07:23] <IIIEars> CrankyBen gedit is pretty familiar looking
[07:24] <choop> hotplug looks to be after hd mnt
[07:24] <choop> looks stalled again on hotplug subsys
[07:24] <CrankyBen> I've added a new line for /dev/hda3, mounting at /data as ext3, but i dont know what <options>, <dump> and <pass> mean
[07:24] <K_Dallas> CrankyBen: try: man mount, that would give you some good idea AND try this site: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:24] <qweqw> CrankyBen, pretty much. specify the new device, and  the dir you want to mount it on
[07:24] <choop> should I start all over?
[07:24] <goofrider> Crane, defaults 0 2
[07:24] <Segovia> bluemax, seems to be working fine here
[07:24] <choop> wipe entire hard drive, let the installer partition for me?
[07:24] <qweqw> what ubuntu release are you using?
[07:24] <choop> that's what I didn't do this time
[07:25] <CrankyBen> me? 5.04
[07:25] <qweqw> no, choop..
[07:25] <choop> ...actually, it's kubuntu (still hoary) 5.04
[07:25] <qweqw> CrankyBen, it doesn't really matter. try 1 0
[07:25] <CrankyBen> thanks, reading man fstab now :)
[07:25] <bluemax> ok, guess it's time to reset the ol router
[07:26] <IIIEars> Wipe the drive - grub setu needs editing if you dual boot.
[07:26] <qweqw> you might want to try rebooting from cd, then turning off the hotplug detect
[07:26] <choop> only CD is installer. how to turn off hotplug detect from ther?
[07:26] <choop> not dual-booting
[07:26] <choop> trying to not erase a FAT32 drive the size of 6 CDs
[07:26] <qweqw> you should be able to get an emergency shell
[07:27] <choop> how to get emergency shell?
[07:27] <qweqw> they tend to be located on the f3 terminal
[07:27] <qweqw> ctrl+alt+f3
[07:27] <CrankyBen> okay, so  <pass> should = 1 for root partition, and sequential for each other partition. It's the order in which they are checked at bootup
[07:27] <IIIEars> you can always use gpart or qtparted to shrink an existing partition later
[07:27] <CrankyBen> and <dump> just seems like it should always be 0
[07:27] <CrankyBen> Oh yeah, gparted is awesome and easy :)
[07:28] <qweqw> it probably won't effect you, no matter what you put.
[07:28] <qweqw> CrankyBen, that is
[07:28] <choop> nope, ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing (c+a+f2, f4 nothing)
[07:28] <goofrider> gparted is gr8... unless u use LVM
[07:28] <goofrider> :/
[07:28] <CrankyBen> Thanks qweqw
[07:28] <qweqw> do you get a grub prompt before the kernel loads, choop?
[07:28] <choop> not from CD
[07:29] <qweqw> from the HD, i mean
[07:29] <choop> but yes from HD
[07:29] <goofrider> choop, u have to boot into the installer main menu (the red/blue menu)
[07:29] <IamdatIam> hello
[07:29] <IamdatIam> Does anyone here know where I could find TV Torrents with ubuntu?
[07:29] <choop> goofrider, i'm using kubuntu - i don't see a red/blue menu
[07:29] <HrdwrBoB> the same place as any OS
[07:29] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[07:29] <qweqw> you can boot into single user mode, which may or may not skip the hotplug system
[07:29] <choop> okay, how to do that?
[07:29] <goofrider> qweqw, single user mode still run all of the init.d scripts
[07:29] <qweqw> does it?
[07:30] <goofrider> most of them
[07:30] <qweqw> it's worth a try
[07:30] <goofrider> including DHCP and dscover and stuff
[07:30] <choop> at grub menu
[07:30] <qweqw> type linux emergency
[07:30] <choop> at emergency cmd line
[07:30] <crimmy> rcS.d will not run dhcpcd, that's in networking which requires at least rc2.d
[07:30] <qweqw> that might work
[07:30] <CrankyBen> So, do I need to reboot to test out my new fstab?
[07:30] <qweqw> yes, CrankyBen
[07:31] <choop> serious? grub>linux emergency  ?
[07:31] <CrankyBen> okay. See you guys soon, I hope ;)
[07:31] <qweqw> yup
[07:31] <qweqw> good luck
[07:31] <choop> ok
[07:31] <choop> unrecognize command
[07:31] <goofrider> crimmy, i stand corrected
[07:31] <qweqw> what is the name of your kernel
[07:31] <qweqw> the filename
[07:31] <choop> how can I tell?
[07:32] <qweqw> i'm not sure.. try F1
[07:32] <choop> nothing
[07:32] <choop> ls
[07:32] <choop> ls = nothing
[07:32] <choop> rather, ls = unrecognized
[07:32] <goofrider> choop, do u see a >
[07:32] <goofrider> > as prompt?
[07:32] <tritium> good night guys
[07:32] <goofrider> u might in in the grub shell
[07:32] <qweqw> yes
[07:32] <crimmy> night, michael
[07:32] <choop> yes, i'm in grub shell
[07:33] <tritium> night, crimmy
[07:33] <qweqw> what does 'list' do, choop
[07:33] <choop> grub> is my prompt
[07:33] <goofrider> choop, : here... do this
[07:33] <goofrider> root(hd0,0)
[07:33] <choop> nope, goofrider
[07:33] <qweqw> try boot emergency
[07:33] <goofrider> it worked if it said nothing
[07:33] <choop> kernel must be loaded before booting
[07:33] <goofrider> then kernel /boot/[tab] 
[07:34] <qweqw> yep
[07:34] <goofrider> and complete the line with your kernel, bt do not press enter yet
[07:34] <qweqw> ? in grub will tell you how to boot into an emergency shell, i think
[07:34] <qweqw> or help
[07:34] <choop> okay, 6 files listed
[07:34] <qweqw> 6!
[07:34] <qweqw> did you recompile the kernel yourself?
[07:35] <kestas> am I still +q here?
[07:35] <daniels> kestas: apparently not
[07:35] <choop> sorry, folks, i'm really new to this whole game
[07:35] <goofrider> type the late kernael name
[07:35] <kestas> has anyone got CVS cedega to work in ubuntu
[07:35] <kestas> ?
[07:35] <kestas> k thanks daniels
[07:35] <goofrider> at the end of it add "single"
[07:35] <choop> initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[07:35] <qweqw> not that
[07:35] <qweqw> should have linux in it
[07:35] <qweqw> or linuz
[07:35] <qweqw> or kernel
[07:35] <goofrider> so "kernel /boot/linux-.xxxx.386 single"
[07:35] <kestas> last time I compiled it all the libraries were in the wrong places for a debian system layout
[07:36] <choop> vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386
[07:36] <qweqw> that
[07:36] <qweqw> is it
[07:36] <choop> k
[07:36] <goofrider> right,,that
[07:36] <qweqw> kernel thatfilename
[07:36] <choop> okay, done
[07:36] <kestas> single quiet ro root=/dev/hda1
[07:36] <choop> with single modifier appended
[07:36] <qweqw> boot emergency
[07:36] <goofrider> "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 single" [enter] 
[07:36] <kestas> ro is important
[07:36] <djtansey> is there a way to get apt to uninstall a package and its dependencies? (installed kubuntu to try it out -- but didn't like it and want to get rid of everything it installed inc deps)
[07:36] <choop> hrm.
[07:36] <choop> cannot open root device
[07:36] <kestas> djtansey, nope
[07:36] <qweqw> single user and/or emergency is ro by default
[07:37] <goofrider> choop: then do this
[07:37] <djtansey> kestas: that sucks. oh well.
[07:37] <kestas> how would it know which dependencies are the right ones to remove?
[07:37] <goofrider> initrd /boot/inird-2.6.10-5-386
[07:37] <choop> hold pls
[07:37] <goofrider> initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.10-5-386
[07:37] <qweqw> choop, alternatively, you can reboot back into menu with your kernels, choose which you want, hit 'e', then add emergency to that entry
[07:37] <choop> okay
[07:37] <goofrider> choop, then "boot"
[07:37] <kestas> whats choop doing
[07:38] <choop> i've run kernel and initrd
[07:38] <qweqw> trying to disable the hotplug system
[07:38] <kestas> he forgot his pass or something
[07:38] <kestas> ah
[07:38] <choop> no, it just stalled
[07:38] <choop> during install
[07:38] <goofrider> choop, does it boot?
[07:38] <djtansey> kestas: i guess it would have to know what packages i specifically asked to install in the past and not remove those. but good point -- would require a good bit of info. but it could also ask (though the list would be long)
[07:38] <choop> booting
[07:38] <goofrider> weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[07:38] <goofrider> thanks for your patience
[07:38] <choop> kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init
[07:39] <qweqw> choop, try the menu list thing i mentioned
[07:39] <choop> k
[07:39] <goofrider> qweqw,sorry for insisting the hard way, but at least I know it works
[07:39] <goofrider> oops...
[07:39] <kestas> djtansey, gentoo uses that system, remembers all packages you installed and then knows which packages are dependencies and which are important
[07:39] <qweqw> ?
[07:39] <kestas> but it doesnt work well at all
[07:39] <qweqw> lol
[07:39] <djtansey> kestas: good to know
[07:39] <goofrider> &*&^@
[07:39] <kestas> many a system I have friend by emerge --nodeps
[07:39] <qweqw> no apologies necessary, or something..
[07:39] <choop> where in list of commands does 'emergency' go ?
[07:40] <kestas> *fried
[07:40] <qweqw> end of the line, after you hit e
[07:40] <qweqw> i'm operating on what is probably outdated knowledge
[07:40] <choop> trying one more time
[07:40] <qweqw> i'll go check google.
[07:40] <kestas> I thought it was c
[07:40] <kestas> c for command line
[07:41] <choop> nope, stalled again on hotplug
[07:41] <choop> thinking i just need to wipe and start anew
[07:41] <mae> what is a good kde app for ripping audio tracks to flac from cd
[07:41] <qweqw> yeah. if you have a livecd, that might work
[07:42] <choop> knoppix livecd, but not ubuntu livecd. just an installer iso
[07:42] <qweqw> you can mount the HD and remove the executable bit from the hotplug init files
[07:42] <goofrider> mae: u wanna follow my instructinos one more time?
[07:42] <qweqw> doesn't matter which
[07:42] <qweqw> as long as it runs
[07:42] <kestas> choop, you need to do init=/bin/sh
[07:42] <kestas> that way it wont start hotplug
[07:42] <choop> will try if fails again
[07:42] <mae> goofrider, heh I tried, the problem is when i pin it, it just upgrades a few packages
[07:42] <kestas> and you can boot up yourself
[07:42] <qweqw> are the scripts bash specific..?
[07:43] <goofrider> mae: no I meant the boot process
[07:43] <crimmy> qweqw, they shouldn't be, else upstream (Debian in this case) bugs should be filed
[07:43] <goofrider> qweqw, /bin/sh symlinks to bash
[07:43] <qweqw> ah.
[07:43] <crimmy> for instance, some people use ash
[07:44] <choop> fastest format of 40G i've ever seen
[07:44] <qweqw> lots of empty inodes
[07:46] <goofrider> mae: anyways, if u pin hoary to 1001 the system should be downgraded not upgraded
[07:46] <goofrider> mae: if u saw any upgrade packeges, then u'r not pulling them from hoary :)
[07:47] <goofrider> but anyways, I can't guarentee it works either so.. I should shut up
[07:47] <kestas> am I wrong in saying that ubuntu is debian with shorter release cycles?
[07:47] <goofrider> damn i'm hungry
[07:47] <CrankyBen> hi everyone, I have a weird problem
[07:47] <CrankyBen> I just resized my Ubuntu partition, created a new data partition, edited fstab to mount it at /home/username/data
[07:47] <goofrider> kestas, Ubuntu is Debian with a **realisitic** release cycle, and a desktop focus
[07:48] <CrankyBen> it seems to work fine, but there is a folder in there called "lost+found" which when I click on it, crashed nautilus. It has a red X icon
[07:48] <goofrider> CrankyBen, fstab is mount it as root
[07:48] <kestas> whats in it for the company sponsoring ubuntu?
[07:48] <CrankyBen> i changed the mount points owner to my username using chown at a root terminal
[07:48] <kestas> cascade or something
[07:48] <goofrider> lost+found is not readable by anyone but root
[07:49] <kestas> why are they sponsoring ubuntu and debian?
[07:49] <cyphase> kestas, only ubuntu
[07:49] <CrankyBen> why does it show up in nautilus then?
[07:49] <cyphase> kestas, not debian
[07:49] <kestas> nope they hire debain developers
[07:49] <choop> dammit now install looks stalled from cd on "Unpacking libpam-modules..."
[07:49] <kestas> to develop full time
[07:49] <kestas> for debain
[07:49] <kestas> *debian
[07:49] <cyphase> kestas, that doesn't mean they sponsor debian
[07:49] <kestas> it means theyre spending money on the development of debian
[07:49] <goofrider> CrankyBen, I know it's stupid, but nautilus just crash whenever u click on a file that u have no read permission
[07:50] <kestas> so theyre sponsoring it
[07:50] <CrankyBen> goofrider, okay, thanks :)
[07:50] <kestas> whats in it for them?
[07:50] <goofrider> kestas, the company is Canonical
[07:50] <kestas> thats the one
[07:50] <kestas> whats in it for Canonical?
[07:50] <kestas> very suspicious
[07:50] <metalsand> 
[07:50] <cyphase> kestas, IBM, Red Hat, Novell, all those companies pay people to work on linux, but that doesn't mean they sponsor it
[07:50] <metalsand> $
[07:50] <kestas> how so?
[07:50] <goofrider> kestas, right now, it just seems Mike Shuttleworth has too much $$ and want to benefit the world
[07:50] <goofrider> LOL
[07:51] <kestas> hahah seriously though
[07:51] <cyphase> kestas, they "advocate" it
[07:51] <JDahl> I've actually had quite a few crashed using Hoary on two seperate Dell Optiplex machines... I dont recall a single crash when they ran Debian/Testing. Anyone else experienced something like that?
[07:51] <cyphase> kestas, but not sponsor the same way Canonical sponsors ubuntu
[07:51] <kestas> alias sponsor=support
[07:51] <g14> kestas, Mark Shuttleworth is a multimillionaire. He wants ubuntu to be the best desktop linux distro ever. So far, it is
[07:51] <goofrider> kestas, Cononical plans to build a support ecosystem selling support to other companies
[07:51] <kestas> hmm so its a red hat sort of plan?
[07:51] <cyphase> kestas, lol
[07:52] <goofrider> kestas, Mark Suttleworth used to be a Debian developer as well
[07:52] <qweqw> good decision to base it on debian
[07:52] <qweqw> which has long been the best distro
[07:52] <g14> qweqw, define best
[07:52] <kestas> qweqw, agreed
[07:52] <goofrider> kestas, Cononical plans to provide support to companies like Red Hat
[07:52] <qweqw> it works
[07:52] <goofrider> it's kinda a meta-support
[07:52] <kestas> ubuntu offer red hat support?
[07:52] <qweqw> it has apt
[07:52] <kestas> support in what?
[07:53] <qweqw> it conforms to standards
[07:53] <jaask> I think every distro works, just depends on the user
[07:53] <goofrider> kestas, u should read the Mark Shuttleworth interview on Slashdot
[07:53] <cyphase> kestas, that was just an example, lol
[07:53] <g14> qweqw, redhat has yum. the yum in fc4 is just as good as apt
[07:53] <qweqw> bah, redhat
[07:53] <kestas> k
[07:53] <goofrider> kestas, no, Canonical will provide support for VAR who sells Ubuntu
[07:53] <kestas> VAR?
[07:53] <qweqw> does yum use rpms
[07:53] <kestas> yes
[07:53] <g14> qweqw, well alot of the big kernel features are from redhat. Everyone knows they employ some of the best kernel devs. IBM coming in second probably
[07:54] <goofrider> g14, yum is not as good as apt
[07:54] <cyphase> kestas, Ubuntu is GPL. and if they make it closed-source, it'll be forked most likely
[07:54] <goofrider> nothing compares to an apt-get distro-upgrade
[07:54] <IIIEars> Value Added Resseller - box maker
[07:54] <g14> goofrider, Install FC4-test3. The new yum that uses an embedded sqlite db is just as fast as apt
[07:54] <qweqw> redhat has more money and has been around longer, so it's not surprise they contribute a lot
[07:54] <qweqw> can't say i like their distro, anyway
[07:55] <goofrider> g14, there's still no in-place upgrade though
[07:55] <qweqw> nothing against the company
[07:55] <g14> goofrider, ummmm yes there is.
[07:55] <goofrider> Fedora != RedHat anyways
[07:55] <JDahl> cyphase, I doubt there's enough Debian developers to both maintain Debian *and* fork Ubuntu
[07:55] <kestas> who cares about how fast your package manager is
[07:55] <goofrider> g14: oh is there? since when?
[07:55] <g14> goofrider, I can upgrade from redhat 8 to fc3 using yum
[07:55] <kestas> you must be in a damn hurry to care about that
[07:55] <g14> goofrider, I have done this on about a dozen machines
[07:55] <goofrider> g14, it's good to know
[07:56] <g14> goofrider, I like ubuntu as a desktop distro though
[07:56] <kestas> debian could be so much more popular if it had shorter release cycles
[07:56] <qweqw> i actually haven't tried redhat since 5.0, is fedora core worth installing on one of my machines?
[07:56] <IIIEars> you could load from an iso image no?
[07:57] <IIIEars> stored on USB/firewire?
[07:57] <qweqw> debian is already very popular
[07:57] <g14> qweqw, Wait until fc4 comes out. It will be much improved
[07:57] <qweqw> cool
[07:57] <g14> qweqw, Redhat has better system config tools. Hopefully, more of them will get ported to ubuntu
[07:57] <IIIEars> RH - you can keep the four disk install
[07:57] <kestas> like redhat-soundconfig?
[07:57] <kestas> that pos
[07:57] <qweqw> yes, they are more of an "enterprise" linux distributor
[07:58] <g14> qweqw, yes, fedora and ubuntu are designed for different environments
[07:58] <qweqw> i've always hated the package management, though
[07:58] <kestas> last time I used redhat I had a web server, email client, sshd and loads more stuff installed by default
[07:58] <blake> can someone explain the concept of apache and webmin working together, for me
[07:58] <qweqw> if that has improved, i' just might have to reconsider it
[07:58] <kestas> and you had to pay to update
[07:58] <g14> qweqw, rpm is a cleaner format. Much easier to make a rpm than a deb
[07:58] <kestas> thats bullshit, and thats why linux has been getting press as being insecure
[07:59] <qweqw> rpm is superior to deb, absolutely
[07:59] <qweqw> it is just a pain in the ass
[07:59] <g14> yes
[07:59] <g14> Linux gets press as being insecure because they don't audit the kernel code
[07:59] <g14> It's a huge job
[08:00] <qweqw> there's got to be at least 10,000 people who look at the kernel code on regular basis
[08:00] <kestas> kernel vulnerabilities arent whats getting so many linux boxen hacked
[08:00] <qweqw> that's less than 1% of users
[08:00] <kestas> its outdated programs
[08:00] <g14> But IBM should hire someone like Theo De Rantt (spelling?) to audit the codebase
[08:00] <g14> The OpenBSD elitist
[08:00] <qweqw> open-source = more secure the more popular it becomes, io
[08:00] <g14> qweqw, agreed
[08:01] <qweqw> that dude's an asshole
[08:01] <g14> qweqw, but tons of vulns have been found in 2.6 because they just include soooo much code into it
[08:01] <g14> qweqw, yes, I've spoken with him
[08:01] <qweqw> for some reason, most openbsd users are asshols
[08:01] <blake> can someone explain the concept of apache and webmin working together, for me
[08:01] <kestas> Im an openbsd user asshole
[08:01] <crimmy> (watch the language, please)
[08:02] <goofrider> RPM is cleaner
[08:02] <goofrider> WTF?
[08:02] <cyphase> whats everyones favorite CMS (Content Managment System, not Community Managment System)
[08:02] <benplaut> e107 is good
[08:02] <kestas> wordpress
[08:02] <g14> cyphase, check out exponent cms. It is amazing
[08:02] <benplaut> mamba has the eyes of the public, however
[08:02] <goofrider> Mambo, Drupal, Plone
[08:02] <qweqw> the only problem i have with openbsd, besides its users, is that it's much slower than netbsd or freebsd
[08:02] <benplaut> *mambo
[08:02] <qweqw> my old 486 won't run it
[08:02] <cyphase> goofrider, those are all more for community sites
[08:02] <qweqw> tolerably, anyway
[08:02] <cyphase> well..
[08:03] <goofrider> I <3 Drupal though, very clean code and modular
[08:03] <kestas> well thats because its a 486
[08:03] <g14> Fontend Administration is the absolute best idea for a cms. The only cms's that follow it are typo3 and exponent that I know of
[08:03] <goofrider> cyphase, oh sorry
[08:03] <benplaut> cyphase: try www.opensourcecms.com
[08:03] <cyphase> lol, np
[08:03] <goofrider> Plone is a bona fide CMS
[08:03] <cyphase> yea
[08:03] <benplaut> not all open source, but you can try them out
[08:03] <qweqw> sure, but i've got netbsd on it right now, running a dns server, a dyn dns client, dictd and tor
[08:03] <LiberalTugboat> Hey
[08:03] <g14> tor == good
[08:04] <goofrider> cyphase, I don't know what type of CMS r u thinking, but Plone is pretty flexible
[08:04] <LiberalTugboat> how fast of system is everyone running ubuntu on?
[08:04] <qweqw> works fine.. tried the same thing with openbsd and it couldn't even route packets at a reasonable speed
[08:04] <Atholas> tor is good ideed =)
[08:04] <benplaut> PM 1.5, 768mb RAM
[08:04] <g14> plone is python, right?
[08:04] <qweqw> everyone should run a tor server ;)
[08:04] <goofrider> Typo3 hardly qualify as a CMS, it's more of a templte system
[08:04] <Atholas> P3 450, 192MB ram.
[08:04] <goofrider> Plone is Zope (written in Python)
[08:04] <g14> hp pavilion zd7000 fully maxed out except for the ram. Check out hpshopping.com
[08:04] <LiberalTugboat> p3 450... how is the speed?
[08:04] <CrankyBen> atholas how's it running?
[08:05] <goofrider> but most Python ppl will tell u Zope is not Python-esque
[08:05] <goofrider> LOL
[08:05] <Myrtti> I've got 512 RAM, 800Mhz processor. I had 200 RAM, 450MHz processor
[08:05] <qweqw> huh
[08:05] <Atholas> CrankyBen, it ain't too bad. Though it seems X.org is slower than XFree86
[08:05] <g14> goofrider, have you ever actually used typo3? It is so flexible, but a pain to set up initially
[08:06] <LiberalTugboat> I have a chance to pick up a 1 ghz p3m laptop with 128 ram (would upgrade) and was wonder if it would be worth it
[08:06] <GoClick> How do I use root on a LiveCD?
[08:06] <Atholas> It is slower than Windows GUI by any measure :(
[08:06] <Myrtti> the only place where I saw any difference was how fast applications loaded. I don't use it on any videorendering or anything
[08:06] <qweqw> yes, LiberalTugboat
[08:06] <g14> GoClick, sudo -s
[08:06] <qweqw> how much?
[08:06] <CrankyBen> atholas, I'm thinking of moving my wife's W2K notebook (p450/256MB) to ubuntu... would it be slower?
[08:06] <CrankyBen> ahh you answered my question lol
[08:06] <LiberalTugboat> its a dell c400 3.5 pound notebook, refurb with 90 day war for 399
[08:06] <goofrider> g14: no I haven't actually tried to demo it. It doesn't suit my needs at all. It seems to be very template-centric, presentation driven
[08:06] <Myrtti> CrankyBen: what are the applications she uses in the notebook now?
[08:06] <qweqw> that's a steal
[08:07] <qweqw> seriously
[08:07] <qweqw> get it
[08:07] <LiberalTugboat> yeah I know
[08:07] <benplaut> yeah
[08:07] <kestas> anyone here run pearpc?
[08:07] <GoClick> Is there anything I can't do with sudu? Cause I'd like to make an image of my hard drive to another drive, actually to a file on an external drive, but that's beside the point
[08:07] <Atholas> It is useable CrankyBen, just not a very pleasant experience.
[08:07] <Raskall> Agghhh. I have been stupid enough to install kubuntu-desktop. How do I get rid of it?
[08:07] <g14> goofrider, I used it for a production website (local newspaper). It is very template driven, but it's great for what I used it for.
[08:07] <kestas> it depends what wm you use obviously
[08:07] <LiberalTugboat> its got a cdrw, 128m ram 1ghz p3m
[08:07] <Raskall> I want to remove every kde bit from my harddrive.
[08:07] <goofrider> That's why I think of it more of a template system, it's more of a decorator pattern tol
[08:07] <CrankyBen> myrtti: Word, firefox. That's about it! Easily replaced by OOo, but it is a lean mean machine on w2k and it runs nicely, and I don't want to put ubuntu on only to have her say how slow it is
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> kestas,  from what i recall PearPC was a rip-off. or was the the other name.. I forget now.. lol
[08:07] <kestas> if you use gnome/kde on 450mhz itll be bad
[08:07] <qweqw> all sudo does is run commands as the superuser
[08:07] <g14> goofrider, www.exponentcms.org It is the best cms I've ever used
[08:08] <goofrider> s/tol/tool/
[08:08] <kestas> thats cherryos Dr_Willis
[08:08] <kestas> pearpc is free
[08:08] <goofrider> best in what ways?
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> kestas,  Ok.. :P cherryOS was a ripoff of PearPC. :P
[08:08] <g14> cherryos is dead because it was a ripoff of pearpc
[08:08] <kestas> yeup
[08:08] <g14> They killed it
[08:08] <goofrider> 'best' is subjective and varies person to person and project to project
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> g14,  lol - i saw CherryOS on some warez sites Lol. :P
[08:08] <qweqw> if i had a spare $400, i'd get that i a second, LiberalTugboat
[08:08] <K_Dallas> cherryos is going to go open source!
[08:08] <Atholas> lol
[08:08] <kestas> cherryos = pearpc
[08:09] <kestas> anyway anyone use pearpc?
[08:09] <kestas> anyone got networking working in it?
[08:09] <Myrtti> CrankyBen: then I'd say it's worth the shot. If she were using some "originally for Linux" designed software already, she'd stumble down to the ground and kiss your feet to thank you for making the computer faster
[08:09] <IIIEars> why not get a 1.4 gig celeron notebook for $599?
[08:09] <heatxsink> lirc anyone?
[08:09] <heatxsink> please!
[08:09] <kestas> I cant do it in ubuntu because it doesnt have the right kernel interfaces
[08:09] <goofrider> K_Dallas, but it's already open source.. well the code it stole was
[08:09] <qweqw> pearpc needs a few more years before its usable..
[08:09] <benplaut> IIIEars: that cheapo dell?
[08:09] <g14> the kernel interfaces for what?
[08:09] <Myrtti> CrankyBen: but you have to remember that OO isn't quite as good as M$Office yet
[08:09] <kestas> why not get an apple laptop?
[08:09] <kestas> they make the best laptops
[08:10] <LiberalTugboat> 1ghz p3 would be pretty close in speed... plus this one only weights 3.5 pounds and is an inch thick
[08:10] <IIIEars> (shrug)
[08:10] <qweqw> linux runs quick on macs, too
[08:10] <goofrider> the best laptop with one trackpad button
[08:10] <kestas> gl4 the kernel interfaces for tunelling
[08:10] <LiberalTugboat> I want a small lappy
[08:10] <kestas> and other such nat foo
[08:10] <CrankyBen> myrtti: heh. She's already kinda impressed by Ubuntu (as I am) as she sees me use it on my notebook. So it wouldnt be a hard sell :)
[08:10] <goofrider> It's my ONLY complaint about apple laptop
[08:10] <LiberalTugboat> I have a 1.4 p4m lappy but its to big to take with me
[08:10] <Atholas> qweqw, does Ubuntu support mini mac?
[08:10] <kestas> yes
[08:10] <kestas> it does
[08:10] <kestas> mac mini
[08:10] <qweqw> i dunno, does it run on ppc arch
[08:10] <qweqw> if so, yeah
[08:10] <kestas> yeup
[08:10] <goofrider> Atholas, y not mini mac? it's just an ibook mobo in there
[08:11] <benplaut> LiberalTugboat: Thinkpads... they rock!
[08:11] <CrankyBen> myrtti: I use OOo every day. I find it fine. Our organisation has been using SuSE for 20 months so I'm used to Linux somewhat. But i like Ubuntu much much better
[08:11] <goofrider> it should run on mini mac just fine
[08:11] <LiberalTugboat> I thought about getting PPC, but alot of things dont work
[08:11] <qweqw> nah
[08:11] <LiberalTugboat> like flashplayer
[08:11] <Atholas> Beautiful :) that thing is nice and small, and very affordable as well.
[08:11] <LiberalTugboat> wireless
[08:11] <goofrider> a lot of things are optimized for i386
[08:11] <kestas> affordable hah
[08:11] <qweqw> you can run that in x86 emulation
[08:11] <qweqw> besides, flash sucks ;)
[08:11] <kestas> good, but not affordable
[08:11] <Myrtti> CrankyBen: when you've decided what to do, tell your missus another female Ubuntu user says hello ;-)
[08:12] <goofrider> an iBook is only $999
[08:12] <LiberalTugboat> My fiance uses ubuntu
[08:12] <qweqw> many programs will compile cleanly on ppc, or have are pre-compiled
[08:12] <LiberalTugboat> I have NO windows in my house anymore
[08:12] <qweqw> er, are precompiled packages
[08:12] <Atholas> It's not too bad over here, mini mac costs around $500US over here.
[08:12] <goofrider> it's affordable, cheaper than HP and Toshiba and Sony
[08:12] <LiberalTugboat> got sick of keeping up with all the shit
[08:12] <K_Dallas> LiberalTugboat: that is dark :(
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> LiberalTugboat,   gee must be a dark house. :P
[08:12] <LiberalTugboat> lol
[08:12] <kestas> lol
[08:12] <benplaut> LiberalTugboat: must get stuffy in there :)
[08:12] <CrankyBen> myrtti: hah! You're making selling it even easier for me ;)
[08:12] <goofrider> it's not as cheap as Dell but noone can beat Dell on price
[08:12] <IIIEars> (wonders how atholas sees the weather outdoors...)
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> IIIEars,  thats what the internet is for!
[08:13] <Atholas> hehe :)
[08:13] <IIIEars> heh - i hear you buddy. :)
[08:13] <LiberalTugboat> my girl even went to a linux festival with me
[08:13] <Myrtti> CrankyBen: I know many other nerdettes that use Ubuntu, and have converted few men using it too. It's great stuff.
[08:13] <qweqw> the outdoors suck
[08:13] <LiberalTugboat> she even had fun!!
[08:13] <kestas> she must be a porker
[08:13] <Myrtti> porker?
[08:13] <qweqw> at least he has a girlfriend
[08:13] <Atholas> Lucky you LiberalTugboat :)
[08:13] <LiberalTugboat> kestas, im going to ignore that comment
[08:13] <goofrider> how do u know LiberalTugboat isn't a girl?
[08:14] <goofrider> LMAO
[08:14] <LiberalTugboat> because it makes linux users look bad
[08:14] <kestas> good q
[08:14] <IIIEars> can anyone recommend a supported TV card?
[08:14] <crimmy> kestas, mind the CoC please
[08:14] <kestas> CoC?
[08:14] <g14> www.pchdtv.com
[08:14] <qweqw> excuse my assumption of heterosexuality, LiberalTugboat
[08:14] <Myrtti> Code of Conduct
[08:14] <goofrider> IIIEars, check ivtv.sourceforge.net
[08:14] <IIIEars> ah. - Thanks
[08:14] <LiberalTugboat> llol
[08:14] <kestas> why use a tv card?
[08:14] <qweqw> free cable
[08:14] <IIIEars> PVR - time shifting
[08:14] <kestas> is it so hard to turn around to look at the tv?
[08:15] <goofrider> kestas, why doesn't it matter why anyone wants to use one?
[08:15] <qweqw> how about as a tivo
[08:15] <CrankyBen> thanks for your help all
[08:15] <darGor> where is the Gnome Desktop Configuration? to change icons? i cant find it
[08:15] <kestas> why doesn't it matter?
[08:15] <darGor> gnome theme configuration
[08:15] <kestas> I dont know you tell me
[08:15] <qweqw> i've been wanting to turn one of my machines into something tivo-like
[08:15] <goofrider> IIIEars, if u wanna do PVR, use MythTV with Haupauge PVR 150
[08:15] <LiberalTugboat> CrankyBen, I dont think she will mind at all
[08:15] <crimmy> darGor, System>Preferences>Theme
[08:15] <goofrider> the cards are hardware MPEG2  encoders, and they're like US$60
[08:15] <darGor> crimmy, thanks a lot
[08:15] <crimmy> darGor, np
[08:16] <IIIEars> sounds good
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> she will probably even like the fact that it never crashes
[08:16] <CrankyBen> liberaltugboat, the w2k box doesn't crash either.
[08:16] <LiberalTugboat> also tell her how much money you save by using all free software
[08:16] <goofrider> IIIEars, support for MPEG2 hardware is scare though, only the Hauppauge cards are well supported. check ivtv for the low down on hardware support
[08:16] <kestas> chicks love OSS
[08:16] <IIIEars> she will like that but you'll love the extra sack time you used to spend reinstalling windows after it melts down
[08:16] <CrankyBen> yes, because i paid for all the micro$oft stuff :)
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> w2k was pretty stable, still have to watch out for virus/spyware
[08:17] <atxbyea> Has anybody gotten ubuntu to work with a Windows 2003 domain _
[08:17] <Myrtti> LiberalTugboat: I've managed to get Ubuntu crash a few times ;-)
[08:17] <kestas> they love to hear about how great it is
[08:17] <qweqw> windows is stable, nowadays. still isn't multiuser, which is the lamest thing ever.
[08:17] <goofrider> ivit is the streaming video recording component for linux that linux PVR software sues
[08:17] <atxbyea> I\m getting a few errors
[08:17] <kestas> all windows NT is stable
[08:17] <Atholas> kestas: are you sure? I was called a hippie for using Linux by chicks.
[08:17] <LiberalTugboat> I have crashed ubuntu too, but I was trying to
[08:17] <K_Dallas> Myrtti: i have done it more ;)
[08:17] <atxbyea> eirik@skolelinuxtest:~ $ sudo net ads join -D TROMSOSKOLEN -U eirik eirik's password:
[08:17] <atxbyea> [2005/05/13 08:13:26, 0]  libads/kerberos.c:ads_kinit_password(136)
[08:17] <atxbyea>   kerberos_kinit_password eirik@TROMSOSKOLEN.SITS.INTERN failed: Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm
[08:17] <atxbyea> [2005/05/13 08:13:26, 0]  utils/net_ads.c:ads_startup(183)
[08:17] <atxbyea>   ads_connect: Cannot resolve network address for KDC in requested realm
[08:17] <goofrider> IIIEars, with MythTC, u can have 3 linux PVR servers, each with 5 TV ards and record 15 shows at once
[08:17] <Q_Continuum> I've installed the fglrx-control package, how do I run it...?
[08:18] <Q_Continuum> nm found it
[08:18] <IIIEars> Stop it! - i am beginning to drool - heh
[08:18] <goofrider> and watch them on a Xbox Lniux MythTV frontend with full XBox DVD remote control support
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> You can record more tv in a DAY then you can watch in a week!
[08:18] <qweqw> once x-boxs hit $50, i'm gonna buy 10 of them
[08:18] <goofrider> one for each bedroom
[08:18] <darGor> crimmy, sorry, i dotn want to install THEMES. just only change icons, do u know where i must go ?
[08:18] <qweqw> very own supercomputer
[08:19] <qweqw> why's that, K
[08:19] <goofrider> Xbox is fun for hacking though
[08:19] <ivoks> darGor system pref. themes
[08:19] <K_Dallas> i do not see the use of it
[08:19] <qweqw> recreation
[08:19] <K_Dallas> except hacking and installing linux on them ;)
[08:19] <crimmy> darGor, you can change the icons using a different set
[08:19] <IIIEars> BBL
[08:19] <LiberalTugboat> hmm maybe I should jump on this lappy deal, only 14 left
[08:19] <qweqw> come to think of it, i never play mine
[08:19] <goofrider> K_Dallas, but that the best use of a M$ product
[08:20] <goofrider> :)
[08:20] <K_Dallas> recreation? what happened to plain air and all the fun we used to have outside
[08:20] <qweqw> kind of is a waste
[08:20] <darGor> crimmy, because dont want a theme.. downloaded some icons, and put it on .icons in my home . a .tar.gz file
[08:20] <crimmy> Q_Continuum, the executable is fireglcontrol
[08:20] <atxbyea> Anyone know anything about WinDomain + Ubuntu _
[08:20] <qweqw> personally.. i work outside 10 hours a day, so i am sick and tired of fresh air
[08:20] <atxbyea> ?
[08:20] <qweqw> i prefer my recreation to be indoors
[08:20] <K_Dallas> i have got indoor sports too ;)
[08:20] <crimmy> darGor, then choose the icons from the icon chooser in the theme menu
[08:21] <darGor> ok crimmy
[08:21] <benplaut> bad for your health!
[08:21] <kestas> its a shame xbox only has gentoo linux for it
[08:21] <goofrider> it's his health
[08:21] <ram_einstein> how can I get a really cool desktop on ubuntu gnome? gnome-look.org?
[08:21] <kestas> ubuntu for xbox would be sweet
[08:21] <goofrider> he can do whatever he wants with it
[08:21] <darGor> crimmy, done thanks :)
[08:21] <qweqw> fark my health
[08:21] <kestas> it would make a great media center
[08:22] <benplaut> oh well...
[08:22] <qweqw> i'm drinking a king kobra and coming down off of two pills of ecstasy
[08:22] <cyphase> kestas, theres actually an Ubuntu media center edition on the way
[08:22] <benplaut> kestas: xbox2?
[08:22] <goofrider> kestas, Linux for XBox is based on Debian, in fact
[08:22] <qweqw> my body is as messed up as it can get
[08:22] <ram_einstein> ... and how do I share data between two Linux HDDs? Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu 4.05
[08:22] <LiberalTugboat> mount the other drive in fstab
[08:22] <goofrider> NFS?
[08:22] <kestas> cyphase, is it for xbox?
[08:22] <qweqw> plus, i have to go to work in 5 hours
[08:22] <atxbyea> goofrider, You have more than one xboxlinux distro you know
[08:23] <kestas> gentoox is the only good one though
[08:23] <kestas> apparently
[08:23] <benplaut> <no consoles...  :(
[08:23] <goofrider> atxbyea, oh there was only one for the longest time. i didn't know there's more now
[08:23] <qweqw> the only reason i am not dead is because i chew ginseng root and drink ensure
[08:23] <Q_Continuum> grrr.
[08:23] <goofrider> ensure... ew
[08:23] <atxbyea> goofrider, Youve got GentooX e.g :(
[08:23] <goofrider> ensure and ginseng, together? ew ew ew
[08:23] <atxbyea> :)
[08:23] <crimmy> ram_einstein, mount the other HD's partition(s) under /mnt
[08:23] <qweqw> pasty goodness
[08:23] <goofrider> Bleh, Gentoo
[08:23] <benplaut> qweqw: used to grow ginseng in kentucky... nasty stuff!
[08:24] <Q_Continuum> going through fglrxcontrol and I'm at the resolution option, and I select 6321 (1280 1024 800 and 640) and I hit enter to continue and it just displays that same screen.
[08:24] <qweqw> i've chewed so much of it that i enjoy the subtle flavors
[08:24] <Q_Continuum> DOH
[08:24] <kestas> ginseng is supposed to be good for the brain right?
[08:24] <goofrider> Gentoo is gr8.. It makes you FEEL like u'r making the prefect distro for yourself, but u never really get there. Though u have fun doing it nonetheless
[08:24] <qweqw> that's pretty much a  fact, kestas
[08:24] <kestas> until it corrupts itself
[08:25] <kestas> ginseng is damn expensive though in the amounts you need to apparently improve your brain function
[08:25] <goofrider> Gentoo is Linux From Scratch for Dummies
[08:25] <cyphase> kestas, no, just a general media center edition
[08:25] <qweqw> very
[08:25] <Myrtti> my personal favourite way is running many many many programs and ask Rhythmbox to index our extensive music collection
[08:25] <K_Dallas> hentoo is good to make you stop using your computer for a while and go outside :)
[08:25] <kestas> I read on erowid you need 3000mg a day
[08:25] <atxbyea> goofrider, Indeed, its just like toys for children, fun for a few hours and then no fun until next week when youve forgotten all ;P
[08:25] <cyphase> kestas, for whatever
[08:25] <K_Dallas> gentoo*
[08:25] <ram_einstein> crimmy, these are my Fedora HDDs:
[08:25] <Myrtti> then it halts
[08:25] <ram_einstein> /dev/hda1   *           1          13      104391   83  Linux
[08:25] <ram_einstein> /dev/hda2              14        4865    38973690   8e  Linux LVM
[08:25] <qweqw> the pills are useless
[08:25] <Myrtti> as it did just now
[08:25] <kestas> cyphase, isnt ubuntu a good enough media center already for the pc?
[08:25] <LiberalTugboat> gentoo is a fine distro if you dont have a life
[08:25] <kestas> a media center seems to mean a normal OS with the unneeded stuff taken out
[08:25] <K_Dallas> :)
[08:25] <qweqw> the real root itself is needed for any real benefit, imo
[08:25] <kestas> and just movie and music players left in
[08:25] <crimmy> ram_einstein, sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[08:25] <cyphase> kestas, its not ubuntu for a specifc device. its ubuntu with certain things pre-installed, i.e. MythTV, etc
[08:26] <ram_einstein> mount /dev/hda2 fedoradisk/
[08:26] <ram_einstein> mount: /dev/hda2 already mounted or fedoradisk/ busy
[08:26] <kestas> k
[08:26] <goofrider> It's not that source-based distros don't have a place (i'm sure there's a point somewhere), but it seems Gentoo has got QA issues
[08:26] <qweqw> redundantly real
[08:26] <benplaut> kestas: and better remote control support?
[08:26] <ram_einstein> that's the problem crimmy
[08:26] <goofrider> getting all the bleeding edge upstream sources in there isn't always the best thing to do
[08:26] <crimmy> ram_einstein, is /dev/hda1 your current / ?
[08:26] <kestas> is it so hard to have extra packages which you can install on top of ubuntu though?
[08:26] <ivoks> lol
[08:26] <crimmy> ram_einstein, and you're trying to mount the lvm?
[08:26] <ivoks> today is friday, friday 13th :)
[08:26] <ram_einstein> yes crimmy
[08:26] <Q_Continuum> brb
[08:26] <cyphase> lol!
[08:27] <ram_einstein> crimmy, hda1 is just the boot partition right?
[08:27] <cyphase> microsoft announced plans for a version of windows called Eiger
[08:27] <kestas> goofrider, isn't always? it's practically never the best thing to do
[08:27] <crimmy> ram_einstein, by default it's the entire / partition
[08:28] <ram_einstein> ls
[08:28] <ram_einstein> System.map-2.6.11-1.14_FC3  grub                        lost+found
[08:28] <ram_einstein> config-2.6.11-1.14_FC3      initrd-2.6.11-1.14_FC3.img  vmlinuz-2.6.11-1.14_FC3
[08:28] <ram_einstein> entire partition?
[08:28] <goofrider> that's /boot alright
[08:28] <ram_einstein> it just has grub
[08:28] <crimmy> ram_einstein, please use #flood for floods
[08:28] <ram_einstein> goofrider, yeah
[08:28] <ram_einstein> okay crimmy sorry
[08:28] <crimmy> ram_einstein, err, is that only your FC HD? Then yes, that's only /boot
[08:29] <ram_einstein> yeah. I have one Fedora OS on hda1/2 and Ubuntu on hdb2/3/5
[08:29] <goofrider> ram_einstein, do a mount or df to see if /dev/hda2 is mounted and where
[08:29] <qweqw> why two distros of linux, ram_einstein
[08:29] <ram_einstein> it isn't goofrider
[08:29] <goofrider> because he can
[08:30] <ram_einstein> qweqw, yeah. just wanted to try!
[08:30] <qweqw> check out Xen or something
[08:30] <ram_einstein> xen!?
[08:30] <goofrider> ram_einstein, and /fedoradisk isn't already mount with something? what about permissions?
[08:30] <qweqw> then you can run any distro you want, without constant partitioning
[08:30] <goofrider> Xen is still pretty unstable I head
[08:30] <goofrider> BTW Xen is in Debian Sid
[08:31] <paueas> what package would i need so that i can play windows media things?
[08:31] <goofrider> I think
[08:31] <ram_einstein> no goofrider. I'm sudo
[08:31] <goofrider> or experimental
[08:31] <ram_einstein> I sudo'ed this
[08:31] <qweqw> there's also user-mode-linux
[08:31] <goofrider> or vserver
[08:31] <goofrider> or qemu
[08:31] <ram_einstein> yeah qweqw! thats great
[08:31] <kestas> you can only run the kernel youre running at the moment in user-mode-linux though right?
[08:31] <crimmy> paueas, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:31] <qweqw> no, kestas
[08:31] <qweqw> well..
[08:32] <goofrider> kestas, no, u can only run the same kernel with Xen and Vserver
[08:32] <qweqw> you need a patch and module, so that might not work in ubuntu
[08:32] <goofrider> USL uses a custom USL kernel
[08:32] <crimmy> with u-m-l, you can run any supported uml kernel
[08:32] <atxbyea> eirik@skolelinuxtest:~ $ sudo net rpc join -D TROMSOSKOLEN -U eirik
[08:32] <atxbyea> Password:
[08:32] <atxbyea> Create of workstation account failed
[08:32] <atxbyea> User specified does not have administrator privileges
[08:32] <atxbyea> Unable to join domain TROMSOSKOLEN.
[08:32] <atxbyea> Why _
[08:32] <ram_einstein> does hda2 (lvm) contain two partitions actually? (swap and data)
[08:32] <atxbyea> ?
[08:32] <kestas> yeah thats a pita about ubuntu, no customized kernels
[08:32] <crimmy> atxbyea, please use #flood for floods, thanks
[08:32] <qweqw> i know there's a way, but i'm too lazy to figure it out
[08:32] <cyphase> this is hilarious
[08:32] <BBurger> any gFTP gurus in the house tonight? Brand-new ubuntu user (XP refugee!), and there's no help for gFTP...
[08:32] <crimmy> kestas, nothing's preventing one from using make-kpkg
[08:32] <ivoks> kestas ?
[08:32] <goofrider> crimmy, : supported UML kernel means a customed kernel with UML patch
[08:32] <cyphase> "Eiger"
[08:33] <ram_einstein> migrozoft is a joke
[08:33] <ivoks> make-kpkg rulz
[08:33] <qweqw> and this computer is fast enough than  streamlining the kernel does next to nothing
[08:33] <kestas> yeah but then youve got to install 20 -dev packages
[08:33] <ivoks> kestas
[08:33] <goofrider> kestas, u can customzie your kernel in Ubuntu as well. U just recommented to use make-kpkg to make a DEB out of your custom kernel
[08:33] <ivoks> kestas libncurses5-dev and kernel-package... what else?
[08:34] <goofrider> kestas, please check the kernel docs
[08:34] <kestas> gcc?
[08:34] <kestas> surely
[08:34] <ivoks> lol
[08:34] <ivoks> no comment, EOD
[08:34] <kestas> awww poor me
[08:35] <goofrider> and what's wrong with installing gcc and kernel headers?
[08:35] <qweqw> why use gftp, BBurger ?
[08:35] <goofrider> they're all one apt-get command away, with no prompts
[08:35] <kestas> just listing another thing to add to ivoks list
[08:35] <crimmy> build-essential pulls that in
[08:35] <ivoks> goofrider you don't need kernel headers
[08:35] <kestas> EOD right?
[08:35] <goofrider> kestas, frankly i think Debian/Ubuntu ways of handling custom kernels is superb
[08:35] <ivoks> goofrider kernel headers are for modules...
[08:36] <kestas> okay okay Ill look into it thanks
[08:36] <BBurger> qweqw - is there another stock FTP prog for ubuntu you'd recommend?
[08:36] <goofrider> ivoks, thanks for the correction
[08:36] <qweqw> i didn't know gftp was the default daemon software.
[08:36] <ivoks> np
[08:36] <goofrider> kestas, I built custom kernel the DEbian way once like 2-3 years ago
[08:36] <goofrider> it was really easy
[08:36] <qweqw> usually it's just vinalla ftpd
[08:36] <crimmy> qweqw, it's not, it's a client
[08:36] <qweqw> vanilla
[08:36] <qweqw> oh
[08:36] <qweqw> lol
[08:36] <goofrider> gftp is client software
[08:37] <crimmy> qweqw, Ubuntu doesn't install a ftpd by default, but many are available
[08:37] <cha0s> hi there :)
[08:37] <ivoks> for ftpd i suggest vsftpd
[08:37] <qweqw> graphical?
[08:37] <ivoks> ?
[08:37] <kestas> vsftpd is good
[08:37] <goofrider> vsftpd or no ftpd at all
[08:37] <ivoks> graphical ftp servis?!
[08:37] <qweqw> gftpd is a graphical client?
[08:37] <ivoks> omg
[08:37] <hardcampa-> no
[08:37] <qweqw> ftp, even
[08:37] <kestas> omgomg
[08:37] <crimmy> he wants a gui frontend to a ftpd ;)
[08:37] <ivoks> :))
[08:37] <cha0s> lol
[08:37] <qweqw> no..
[08:37] <goofrider> echo [-f gftpd] 
[08:37] <kestas> serv-u style
[08:37] <goofrider> 0
[08:38] <qweqw> i just have never used a graphical ftp client
[08:38] <hardcampa-> for a small ftp pure-ftp, proftp or vsftp is ok. For a more advanced "warez" style use glftpd
[08:38] <goofrider> crimmy, OH. OK  LOL
[08:38] <ivoks> qweqw gftp is client...
[08:38] <ivoks> qweqw it is grapichal
[08:38] <qweqw> thank you
[08:38] <cha0s> hey guys... i deleted the start bar withall the menus un it and the clock accidently.. can i recover it somehow?
[08:38] <ivoks> qweqw vsftp ise servis, no GUI, no CLI even :)
[08:38] <kestas> why did you do that?
[08:38] <cha0s> haha
[08:38] <cha0s> it was my brother :<
[08:38] <BBurger> crimmy - got that about right. extreme ubuntu noob here, looking for a basic ftp prog to get at my webspace!
[08:38] <ivoks> cha0s you can
[08:39] <hardcampa-> BBurger then gftp is ok
[08:39] <goofrider> kestas, he already said it was an accident
[08:39] <holycow> BBurger, gftp
[08:39] <cha0s> cool :D but how?
[08:39] <goofrider> gftp is gr8
[08:39] <qweqw> BBurger, there's also "ftp"
[08:39] <ivoks> cha0s that "bar" you deleted is called panel
[08:39] <kestas> right click on the bar cha0s
[08:39] <hardcampa-> The best command-line ftp client otherwise is lftp
[08:39] <kestas> and click add-to-panel
[08:39] <cha0s> its not there kestas
[08:39] <cha0s> the whole bar
[08:39] <cha0s> :x
[08:39] <holycow> BBurger, you can open up nautilus and do ctrl / l and do ftp://user@ipaddress and use nautilus as ftp client too
[08:39] <ivoks> cha0s you have another one
[08:39] <goofrider> I thought gftp is installed by default
[08:39] <ivoks> cha0s on the bottom
[08:39] <abcdandy> i have ever use gftp
[08:39] <cha0s> oh
[08:40] <ivoks> cha0s and choose New panel
[08:40] <abcdandy> it's useful
[08:40] <ivoks> cha0s right click on it -> new panel
[08:40] <BBurger> Is there a way to save settings, like most windows FTP progs will? username/pw/etc?
[08:40] <cha0s> ye
[08:40] <cha0s> got it
[08:40] <qweqw> probably, BBurger
[08:40] <holycow> in gftp yes, bookmarks
[08:40] <kestas> cmon BBurger its not that hard
[08:40] <ivoks> cha0s nowmove it were you want
[08:40] <ivoks> cha0s right click on that new panel
[08:40] <ivoks> cha0s add to panel
[08:41] <cha0s> cool :D
[08:41] <holycow> you can also do places / connect to server and mount an ftp account and have it permanently in places as a link
[08:41] <ivoks> cha0s and add custom menu bar
[08:41] <BBurger> will try bookmarks again; didn't seem to work lasttime.
[08:41] <holycow> try harder
[08:41] <holycow> -_-
[08:41] <qweqw> 110%
[08:42] <cha0s> cool! thx ivoks  :>
[08:42] <qweqw> a person is killed ever 4 seconds
[08:42] <goofrider> i didn't do it
[08:43] <goofrider> let me speak to my lawyer
[08:44] <ivoks> lol
[08:44] <goofrider> so #ubuntu is the #3 channel on freenode
[08:45] <goofrider> that's nuts
[08:45] <ryman> I want o install firefox 1.0.4
[08:45] <ryman> what dir should I install it in ?
[08:45] <ivoks> ryman good for you :)
[08:45] <qweqw> what's #1
[08:45] <goofrider> what's crazier? Gentoo is #1
[08:45] <goofrider> whywhywhy
[08:45] <ivoks> ryman why do you want to do that?
[08:45] <crimmy> ryman, are you using Hoary?
[08:45] <ryman> crimmy, yes
[08:45] <qweqw> gentoo is the shiznit
[08:45] <goofrider> #Debian is #2
[08:45] <kestas> I want to install ubuntu 1
[08:45] <qweqw> they just have a stupid channel
[08:46] <qweqw> and stupid community
[08:46] <crimmy> ryman, then just update && upgrade
[08:46] <ivoks> who?!
[08:46] <qweqw> ubuntu is much more friendly
[08:46] <ryman> ivoks, upgrade
[08:46] <daniels> qweqw: go easy, please
[08:46] <cha0s> how can i install mp3 codecs for XMMS?
[08:46] <ivoks> ryman couse of security?
[08:46] <ryman> crimy ok thanks
[08:46] <ryman> ivoks, yes
[08:46] <ivoks> ryman you don't have to install 1.0.4
[08:46] <crimmy> ryman, 1.0.2-0ubuntu5.2 from hoary-security contains all fixes in 1.0.4
[08:46] <ivoks> ryman bugfixes are backported to 1.0.2 in hoary
[08:46] <goofrider> ryman, right, u just have to NOT USE FIREFOX
[08:46] <goofrider> j/k
[08:46] <qweqw> stupid may have been too harsh.. elitist, then
[08:46] <ryman> lol
[08:47] <crimmy> cha0s, when you install xmms, that's done already
[08:47] <goofrider> ryman, couldn't resist  ;)
[08:47] <crimmy> cha0s, (but only for xmms)
[08:47] <cha0s> ;o
[08:47] <cha0s> well
[08:47] <cha0s> it cannot play mp3 files :<
[08:47] <crimmy> cha0s, sure it can. What is xmms doing instead?
[08:47] <ryman> crimmy,  I think i got the upgrade but when I try to donwload extension from firefox site
[08:47] <qweqw> the codecs are not included in the restricted repositories
[08:47] <cha0s> well
[08:47] <qweqw> patent issues
[08:48] <goofrider> Ubuntu Backports have w32codecs now
[08:48] <kestas> how many 'how do I play mp3' questions does this chan get/day?
[08:48] <ryman> it said that I have to install 1.0.4 before download any extensions
[08:48] <bob2> xmms always can play mp3s
[08:48] <cha0s> actually its skipping like 95 % of the songs i have
[08:48] <cha0s> and only plays a few
[08:48] <ivoks> ryman where?
[08:48] <goofrider> so i don't have to get ripped for directing ppl to Marrilat
[08:48] <crimmy> cha0s, make sure you choose the esound output if you've enabled gnome's sound server
[08:48] <mindmedic> kestas, 47
[08:48] <cha0s> done
[08:49] <kestas> is w32codecs illegal?
[08:49] <qweqw> linux for monkeys
[08:49] <goofrider> mp3 is the prefect example why software patents are bad
[08:49] <qweqw> bordering on it
[08:49] <qweqw> but not quite
[08:49] <bob2> qweqw: please stop it
[08:49] <kestas> bordering on it?
[08:49] <IIIEars> anything that plays mp3s is in a grey area
[08:49] <bob2> qweqw: you won't be warned again
[08:49] <ivoks> crimmy hm...
[08:49] <qweqw> stop what?
[08:49] <ivoks> crimmy we hare a problem...
[08:49] <goofrider> w32codecs is sorta legal if u own a Windows box
[08:49] <bob2> kestas: it contains a bunch of dlls from various sources, I don't think anyone has permission to redistribute all of them
[08:49] <ryman> ivoks, try this link https://do-not-add.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&numpg=10&id=446
[08:49] <crimmy> ivoks, what sort?
[08:50] <IIIEars> Ogg and Flac are better
[08:50] <ivoks> crimmy ryman i know... wait
[08:50] <goofrider> u can download lame and compile from source
[08:50] <ivoks> crimmy mozilla extensions depend on 1.0.4
[08:50] <kestas> qweqw, youre not allowed to mention anything bad about ubuntu here
[08:50] <goofrider> that's legal
[08:50] <deepspring> this is gunna be a repeated question... but when does the ubuntu firefox 1.0.4 build come out?
[08:50] <qweqw> i didn't.
[08:50] <bob2> kestas: no, please stop such silly trolling
[08:50] <qweqw> why would i, ubuntu is excellent
[08:50] <kestas> when you said 'linux for monkeys' that was supposed to be bad
[08:50] <ivoks> crimmy try to get more extensions
[08:50] <bob2> qweqw: please stop rambling about off-topic stuff
[08:50] <crimmy> deepspring, when it's ready
[08:50] <cha0s> and
[08:50] <deepspring> thanks crimmy
[08:50] <kestas> mods cant take a joke, thats why theyre mods
[08:50] <bob2> kestas: can you not?
[08:50] <cha0s> how to install mp3 codecs for the ubuntu included Music Players?
[08:51] <bob2> cha0s: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:51] <mindmedic> kestas, mods always win
[08:51] <mindmedic> respect them for their work
[08:51] <bob2> "mods"? this isn't some silly web forum.
[08:51] <kestas> this is some silly irc channel
[08:51] <mindmedic> sry
[08:51] <mindmedic> ops
[08:52] <bob2> kestas: right
[08:52] <bob2> kestas: so no need to add to the silliness with your comments
[08:52] <qweqw> yeah, that'll keep 'em coming back
[08:52] <cha0s> thanks bob2  :)
[08:52] <goofrider> maybe we should start a new channel
[08:52] <daniels> this channel is for ubuntu support, right; anything else is offtopic
[08:52] <goofrider> let's call it uFUNtu
[08:52] <daniels> this is why #ubuntu-offtopic exists
[08:52] <kestas> bob2 saves the day again
[08:53] <qweqw> would you prefer completely silence?
[08:53] <HrdwrBoB> bob2, everyone <3 you
[08:53] <HrdwrBoB> because you're a sucker for punishment :)
[08:53] <qweqw> what about when there are no questions?
[08:53] <daniels> it's busy enough without irrelevant, offtopic, rambling, so please just leave it at home; at some point I'll get sick of it and start enforcing this rule
[08:53] <ryman> nah man I dont love bob2
[08:53] <ryman> I love Ubuntu
[08:53] <mindmedic> could you guys just stop it... theres better things to do...
[08:54] <goofrider> no there isn't
[08:54] <goofrider> it's 12am
[08:54] <goofrider> even the Daily Show is over
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> goofrider: surprisingly, there are other locations in the world.
[08:55] <HrdwrBoB> some of which may be in a different timezone
[08:55] <qweqw> that sentence does not obviously relate to linux, ubuntu specifically. the frivolity must end, for the good of mankind.
[08:55] <kestas> pwned goofrider
[08:55] <BBurger> is there an actual manual for gftp? found the faq online, but nothin else?
[08:55] <qweqw> try 'man gftp'
[08:56] <goofrider> F1 for help
[08:56] <qweqw> also, /usr/share
[08:56] <jiyuu0> is the ubuntu-users mailing list working? i tried to register... but nothing happened
[08:56] <bob2> jiyuu0: you didn't get the "welcome to the list" email?
[08:56] <goofrider> oh there's no gnome help for it?? WTF
[08:56] <bob2> jiyuu0: or you didn't get the "pplease confirm your subscription" one?
[08:56] <cha0s> how can i install .deb files?
[08:56] <hardcampa-> why would you need a manual for gftp
[08:56] <crimmy> jiyuu0, it may take ~8-10 minutes
[08:56] <jiyuu0> ic
[08:56] <hardcampa-> it's pretty obvious
[08:56] <jiyuu0> it's now 5 minutes
[08:57] <jiyuu0> i'll wait a little longer
[08:57] <crimmy> cha0s, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:57] <cha0s> k thx ill try :)
[08:57] <goofrider> hardcampa-, any n00b who reads manuals should be respected
[08:57] <qweqw> w3rd
[08:57] <BBurger> hardcampa-: i can connect once, no problem. cant figure how to save the d*mned settings in gftp for fast re-connect later... F1 doesn't seem to work?
[08:57] <hardcampa-> hum.. never thought of it that way
[08:57] <hardcampa-> =)
[08:58] <trondd> anyone who reads manuals should be respected....
[08:58] <kestas> Bookmarks>Add bookmarks
[08:58] <qweqw> using linux is all about being l33t
[08:58] <mindmedic> how do i append the vga=792 option in grub? i added it to my standard boot option but update-grub resets my changes... should i just run 'grub' and root(hd0,0), setup(hd0), or will this break anything ubuntu specific
[08:58] <hardcampa-> anyone who reads should be respected mkay
[08:58] <ivoks> we chould contact mozilla
[08:58] <kestas> has your brain fried yet BBurger ?
[08:58] <goofrider> BBurger, did u try Add Bookmarks?
[08:58] <ivoks> and tell them that this is wrong
[08:58] <crimmy> mindmedic, make sure you edit the correct menu.lst line
[08:59] <qweqw> BBurger, drop the glue, it's bad for you
[08:59] <goofrider> mindmedic, u need to add the options in the kopt line in grub (it's commented out, leave it commented out)
[08:59] <BBurger> goofrider: did try bookmarks, obviously didn't do it right. no, kestas, I'm not totally fried yet...
[08:59] <gorilla_> hardcampa-, you are the eduma-cated one ain't you :-)
[08:59] <goofrider> I meant the kopt line in menu.lst
[08:59] <hardcampa-> =>
[09:00] <gorilla_> daniels: heh
[09:00] <goofrider> mindmedic, all to the kopt line, then do a update-grub, and it'll modify all entries in the ubuntu section in menu.lst
[09:00] <crimmy> mindmedic, but make sure you _don't_ remove the leading hash mark (comment). That's vital.
[09:00] <goofrider> s/all/add/ to the kopt line
[09:00] <cha0s> are there any logitech mouse/keyboard drivers for linux?
[09:00] <cha0s> to make the special keys work
[09:00] <ryman> hmm
[09:01] <mindmedic> ok, and the kopts line will add the options to all menuitems
[09:01] <poofyhair> hello
[09:01] <ryman> my ubuntu auto logged out
[09:01] <goofrider> mindmedic, right, just run update-grub afterwards
[09:01] <BBurger> d*mn, gftp just crashed on me... restarted tho. thought I was back in XP for a moment there! ;)
[09:01] <poofyhair> cough
[09:01] <crimmy> ryman, doesn't look like a logout, rather your connection hiccuped
[09:01] <mindmedic> thanks a lot.. my fat console makes me dizzy :)
[09:02] <goofrider> mindmedic, np
[09:02] <kestas> gftp is a bad piece of software BBurger
[09:02] <kestas> use ftp
[09:02] <siimo> hi is ubuntu safe to be used in companties?
[09:02] <crimmy> siimo, absolutely
[09:02] <goofrider> kestas, gftp works gr8 AFAIK, hold on to your FUDs
[09:02] <kestas> FUD?
[09:02] <kestas> its okay, but it does crash a lot
[09:02] <siimo> crimmy, i think ubuntu uses apple's patented bytecode interpreter for rendering fonts
[09:02] <kestas> and drag and drop doesnt work
[09:02] <ryman> crimy, it logged out. black screen. it took me to text log in, then 5 sec later it returned to graphical login
[09:03] <goofrider> hmm.. it hasn't crashed on me once yet
[09:03] <kestas> its nothing on flashfxp
[09:03] <siimo> so i just want to make sure
[09:03] <siimo> has ubuntu paid apple a license
[09:03] <crimmy> siimo, Ubuntu does not.
[09:03] <BBurger> commandline = more work than I like!
[09:03] <goofrider> siimo, a license for what?
[09:03] <cha0s> where can i generally get drivers for linux?
[09:03] <kestas> cha0s, use google
[09:03] <goofrider> cha0s, mouse drivers? u don't need mouse drivers
[09:03] <bob2> cha0s: they normally just come with ubuntu
[09:03] <cha0s> well
[09:03] <BBurger> I'm calling it a night, got to work tomorrow. will beat gFTP into submission on the wknd!
[09:03] <cha0s> my mouse got 8 keys
[09:03] <siimo> crimmy, well it didnt ask me anything it used it straight away unlike in sarge
[09:04] <goofrider> at most, u'll need proper mappings in X.org (i believe) to get the special buttons to work
[09:04] <cha0s> 3 of them work :/
[09:04] <cha0s> also my keyboard got some special keys
[09:04] <cha0s> like
[09:04] <siimo> goofrider, freetype2
[09:04] <cha0s> volume control etc
[09:04] <ryman> cha0s, Logitech MX500 series ?
[09:04] <cha0s> mx510 :>
[09:04] <goofrider> but it shouldn't take kernel drivers to get those buttons to work
[09:04] <cha0s> ;o
[09:04] <BBurger> 8 keys? what do you use 8 keys for on one mouse?
[09:04] <cha0s> haha
[09:04] <cha0s> well
[09:04] <ryman> he used it for gaming
[09:04] <ryman> Counter Strike
[09:04] <cha0s> dont play cs
[09:04] <cha0s> D:
[09:05] <cha0s> q3 rather :>
[09:05] <cha0s> but also
[09:05] <cha0s> internet navigation
[09:05] <siimo> im not sure.
[09:05] <trondd> capi: you can use xev to find the keycodes for the extra keys, and the use metacity or gnome to map them to something useful
[09:05] <goofrider> 8 button mouse?
[09:05] <cha0s> yes
[09:05] <goofrider> u got 8 fingers?
[09:05] <cha0s> haha
[09:05] <cha0s> a finger can press more than 1 key
[09:05] <cha0s> :>
[09:05] <kestas> two hand mouse perhaps
[09:05] <cha0s> lol
[09:06] <goofrider> :)
[09:06] <crimmy> siimo, which hinter?
[09:06] <IIIEars> is "evdev" what you need for multi button mouse?
[09:06] <poofyhair> lol
[09:06] <crimmy> siimo, the autohinter? That's under an OSS license compatible with the FreeType one
[09:06] <ivoks> firefox needs fixing!
[09:06] <poofyhair> why
[09:07] <poofyhair> it has not big problems (besides bloat)
[09:07] <kestas> its not safari
[09:07] <goofrider> siimo, I mean, if you're gonna worry about hinting, shouldn't u worry about subpixel hinting?
[09:07] <poofyhair> you could always use epiphany (I do on lessor machines because it takes less resources in Gnome)
[09:07] <goofrider> which MS has a patent on it
[09:07] <siimo> crimmy, no it uses bytecode
[09:08] <ivoks> poofyhair it can't install extensions
[09:08] <poofyhair> true
[09:08] <poofyhair> thats why you have to pick
[09:08] <poofyhair> either firefox with its resource eatingness
[09:08] <siimo> i just want to make sure can a company get sued for using ubuntu
[09:08] <poofyhair> or ephiphany with its nice speed
[09:08] <siimo> i dont care what technology it uses
[09:08] <goofrider> siimo, that has more to do with indemnification rather than licensing
[09:09] <kestas> my lawsuit against goofrider using ubuntu is just starting to gain momentum
[09:09] <IIIEars> When the software audit arrives paste in a bunch of windows splash screens they'll never even notice.
[09:10] <poofyhair> splash
[09:10] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is great
[09:10] <poofyhair> I love firefox
[09:10] <kestas> did you hear about GNU being sued because the GPL is basically a price fixing sceme?
[09:10] <kakalto> hmm
[09:10] <poofyhair> bought an extra 512mb of ram for it
[09:10] <poofyhair> JUST for it
[09:10] <cyphase> Firefox: Official Browser of the World
[09:10] <poofyhair> I heard about that
[09:10] <cyphase> lol
[09:10] <poofyhair> that lawsuit is crap
[09:10] <goofrider> kestas, yay, more fud
[09:10] <kestas> fud?
[09:11] <goofrider> Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt
[09:11] <BBurger> firefox? bah, they just rip opera off... (flamebaiting? me? never...)
[09:11] <kakalto> microsoft.com.... http://www.flawlesslight.com/screen.jpg
[09:11] <poofyhair> of course
[09:11] <gorilla_> kesta, fear uncertainty and doubt....
[09:11] <kakalto> a firefox thing
[09:11] <kestas> kk
[09:11] <poofyhair> firefox is a pretty and free opera
[09:11] <poofyhair> its better than copying IE
[09:11] <kakalto> opera is only slim in the latest version...
[09:11] <poofyhair> then it would only be fast
[09:11] <kestas> opera always crashed on me when using ssl
[09:12] <kestas> and it has terrible java support
[09:12] <sjohnson> hey dudes, anyone here know how to find out if your eth0 is set to full/half duplex
[09:12] <poofyhair> true
[09:12] <kestas> ifconfig eth0
[09:12] <bob2> sjohnson: mii-tool can find that out for you
[09:12] <bob2> for almost all nics
[09:12] <BBurger> opera8 has an ubuntu package now - and it's much improved over o7, for all platforms!
[09:12] <kestas> oh wait thats freebsd ifconfig
[09:12] <cyphase> nice pic kakalato
[09:12] <cyphase> ;)
[09:13] <poofyhair> thats cool
[09:13] <sjohnson> mii-tool won't work with my onboard nForce2 nic
[09:13] <poofyhair> XFCE is like one of the greatest things ever
[09:13] <poofyhair> You can run the gnome panels in it and its like a faster gnome
[09:13] <[Chameleon] > kakalto: haha, that rocks
[09:13] <poofyhair> today I just saved an old laptop with it
[09:13] <cyphase> someone should actually edit the micrsoft page so it looks like that. faster to load, more believable
[09:13] <cyphase> lol
[09:14] <kakalto> [Chameleon] , don't thank me though ;)
[09:14] <cyphase> "Look! Microsoft has surrendered" and a link to the page
[09:14] <LiberalTugboat> poofyhair, what was the specs on the laptop?
[09:14] <kestas> poofyhair, xfce isnt that much better than gnome
[09:14] <bob2> sjohnson: possibly it's mentioned in dmesg then
[09:14] <kakalto> that link was posted in #ubuntuforums about 3 hours ago
[09:14] <kestas> xfcewm is larger than metacity
[09:14] <bob2> sjohnson: I don't think there's any other way to find out
[09:14] <[Chameleon] > kakalto: cool
[09:14] <kakalto> I thought so ;)
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> xfce uses like 56 mb idle
[09:15] <kakalto> of course, it kinda gives it away that photoshop is in the task tray :P
[09:15] <LiberalTugboat> while gnome uses around 100
[09:15] <IIIEars> RAM is cheap
[09:16] <sjohnson> bob2: thanks............. :( ;)
[09:16] <sjohnson> yeah.. my transfers are going HELLA slow
[09:16] <sjohnson> over a 100mbit connection
[09:16] <sjohnson> 1.5megs/sec or so
[09:16] <poofyhair> XFCE is a lot better than Gnome
[09:16] <bob2> well, nvidia's ethernet chipset isn't the most special in the world
[09:16] <bob2> despite what they may think
[09:16] <sjohnson> it's a realtek
[09:16] <bob2> also, try another cable
[09:16] <sjohnson> chipset i believe
[09:16] <poofyhair> Metacity is like a big at the trough with my RAM
[09:16] <LiberalTugboat> poofyhair, what was the specs on the laptop?
[09:16] <sjohnson> ahh, this worked fine in windows
[09:16] <hardcampa-> poofyhair that's a bit general
[09:16] <poofyhair> the laptop is a 400mhz celeron with 128mb
[09:17] <kestas> sjohnson, what protocol are you using?
[09:17] <poofyhair> feels much faster than Windows 2k
[09:17] <sjohnson> TCP/IP
[09:17] <LiberalTugboat> is it running pretty snappy?
[09:17] <kestas> if you use ftp youll get a lot faster than smb
[09:17] <sjohnson> oh
[09:17] <sjohnson> i see, well
[09:17] <poofyhair> And more than twice as fast as Gnome
[09:17] <sjohnson> secure copy
[09:17] <sjohnson> samba, anything
[09:17] <sjohnson> secure copy would normally go 11megs/sec
[09:17] <sjohnson> now it's down to around 1
[09:17] <sjohnson> (it was about 11 in slackware linux)
[09:17] <sjohnson> for some reason in ubuntu, it chugs along.. very slowly
[09:18] <poofyhair> Yes very snappy
[09:18] <poofyhair> Gnome just needs more RAM
[09:18] <poofyhair> it Really needs 256mb to be happy
[09:18] <poofyhair> At the 256mb point, it seems to be as fast as XFCE
[09:18] <kestas> try icewm or fluxbox if you want snappyness
[09:18] <kestas> xfce and gnome are for eye candy
[09:18] <hardcampa-> or a decent desktop
[09:19] <kestas> yeup
[09:19] <kakalto> kestas, xfce, not as much
[09:19] <kakalto> kestas, for eyecandy, there's kde
[09:19] <kestas> more.. hence the xfces extra support of the composite extension
[09:19] <poofyhair> XFCE 4.2 really uses a least 40mb on average less RAM than Gnome
[09:19] <kestas> the best thing about xfce is xfcewm's window snapping
[09:19] <poofyhair> I wish Gnome supported that better
[09:19] <kestas> I miss that
[09:19] <hardcampa-> poofyhair it might use less ram but it also doesn't have as much stuff as gnome. So it depends on how you look at it.
[09:19] <kestas> yeah composite is great
[09:19] <sjohnson> SIGH
[09:20] <poofyhair> True
[09:20] <bluemax> what do you guys think is the best window manager in terms of customization?
[09:20] <sjohnson> just tested the speed, still goes 1500k/sec
[09:20] <bob2> that's not a GNOME thing, it's a metacity thing.
[09:20] <bob2> (snapping)
[09:20] <poofyhair> thats why I use: gnome-volume-manager, nautilus, two gnome panels
[09:20] <crimmy> bluemax, probably sawfish
[09:20] <poofyhair> and its still faster than Gnome
[09:20] <bluemax> i was looking at pics of fluxbox, and what some people have done with it just looks amazing
[09:20] <crimmy> bluemax, though currently fvwm is quite customisable, too
[09:20] <hardcampa-> poofyhair try rox otherwise should fit in nicely with xfce
[09:20] <poofyhair> Fluxbox is best to customize
[09:20] <kestas> I like to have large panels though
[09:20] <poofyhair> (IMHO)
[09:20] <kestas> and menus
[09:20] <kestas> fluxbox isnt best to customize
[09:21] <kestas> no way hosay
[09:21] <hardcampa-> poofyhair instead of nautilus that is
[09:21] <poofyhair> I would try Rox, but I NEED Gnome volume manager
[09:21] <bluemax> ok, now which of the most customizable is easy enough for a linux newbie to use?
[09:21] <hardcampa-> =/
[09:21] <kestas> gnome
[09:21] <bob2> fluxbox isn't very customisable at all
[09:21] <crimmy> poofyhair, then just execute gnome-volume-manager
[09:21] <poofyhair> I made a working deb for the XFCE mount manager, but it kinda suxs
[09:21] <bob2> bluemax: what do you want to customise?
[09:21] <poofyhair> I do
[09:22] <poofyhair> But you need a desktop that supports icons (XFCEs doesn't) I will try Rox as soon as I get nautilus to let go of my desktop when I use it
[09:22] <bluemax> bob: panel borders, panel object separators, time/date display, and a whole lot more
[09:22] <kakalto> iGN, myself, don't like desktop icons
[09:22] <kestas> run something seperate for icons then
[09:22] <bluemax> gnome is just too restrictive for me
[09:22] <LiberalTugboat> hey hey
[09:22] <kakalto> hey hey
[09:22] <bob2> bluemax: date/time display and "panel object seperators" aren't anything to do with window managers
[09:22] <poofyhair> I like Gnome's customability
[09:23] <poofyhair> Its just enough
[09:23] <bluemax> ok
[09:23] <poofyhair> KDE gets out of hand
[09:23] <poofyhair> (IMHO)
[09:23] <LiberalTugboat> OMG
[09:23] <kestas> all the apps are gnome
[09:23] <kestas> gtk rather
[09:23] <kestas> gtk+ rather
[09:24] <IIIEars> a gig of ram is less than $100 - cache a few megs of instructions what does it matter.
[09:24] <bluemax> what about right-clicking on the desktop... can i change a) the items in that menu and b) the graphical border and colors of that menu?
[09:24] <kestas> a crappy gig of ram
[09:24] <bluemax> this is the sort of stuff i'm talking about too
[09:24] <bob2> bluemax: well, that's nautilus
[09:24] <bob2> you can change it, by changing the gtk theme
[09:24] <bob2> but it's kinda pointless
[09:25] <kestas> 'kinda'?
[09:25] <kestas> totally
[09:25] <poofyhair> True
[09:25] <poofyhair> RAM is cheap for newer machines
[09:25] <LiberalTugboat> I run gnome on a 1.4 ghz p4m with 512mb ram... when I tried XFCE... everything was quite a bit snappier
[09:25] <LiberalTugboat> so its not just ram
[09:25] <LiberalTugboat> its overhead
[09:25] <poofyhair> But old laptop RAM (good stuff) is expensive
[09:25] <poofyhair> Thats why I messed with XFCE
[09:25] <bob2> bluemax: system -> desktop -> theme
[09:25] <bluemax> hmmm ok
[09:26] <bob2> LiberalTugboat: "overhead" is not a useful measure of anything
[09:26] <poofyhair> I usually agree, Gnome's beauty is worth the RAM most of the time (just like xcompmgr was worth me buying a Nvidia card)
[09:26] <LiberalTugboat> OOo open a few seconds faster, firefox opens instantlly
[09:26] <kestas> poofyhair, xcompmgr crashes when ou run anything full screen or 3D
[09:26] <poofyhair> I think Metacity eats more CPU resources than Gnome
[09:27] <kestas> pretty though it may be
[09:27] <bluemax> bob2: yeah i've played around with those themes..
[09:27] <kestas> (this is on gnome anyway)
[09:27] <poofyhair> but the rest seems about the same (try replacing metacity and gnome and see waht I mean)
[09:28] <poofyhair> kestas: yes it crashes a lot. a lot a lot. so much that when I need to transfer something overnight, I turn it off. The rest of the time, fading is so beautiful that is is worth trying out the document recovery features of OO2
[09:28] <hardcampa-> poofyhair 7 meg here
[09:28] <hardcampa-> for metacity
[09:28] <hardcampa-> that's not much
[09:29] <poofyhair> true
[09:29] <kestas> it pisses me off big time when it crashes though
[09:29] <poofyhair> I think Metacity is more a CPU drain
[09:29] <kestas> yeah metacity is smaller than xfcewm
[09:29] <hardcampa-> noway
[09:29] <bob2> You know you guys can just check, right?
[09:29] <poofyhair> other features of Gnome drain the RAM
[09:29] <hardcampa-> metacity isn't noticed on top in anyway for me
[09:29] <bob2> run top and see what it is, instead of endlessly speculating.
[09:29] <IIIEars> lol@bob2
[09:29] <kestas> metacity has been criticised for being too barebones
[09:29] <hardcampa-> kestas which is what some people like
[09:29] <poofyhair> metacity is so-so, I hate the redraw thing
[09:29] <kestas> exactly
[09:29] <hardcampa-> it's a matter of opinion as usual
[09:30] <hardcampa-> but if one wants one can replace metacity in gnome anyway
[09:30] <poofyhair> soon as I get the experimental enlightment to work, its gone in GNome
[09:30] <poofyhair> mmmm
[09:30] <lucifer666> hello; where was I changing xdm to gdm or kdm ? I just forgot where was it. thanks if u can help.
[09:30] <IIIEars> give me a one click restore feature as insurance for the time invested setting up. - a faster window manager only saves a couple of minutes a day.
[09:31] <poofyhair> one thing about xcompmgr is that it makes Metacity redraw 1000x better
[09:31] <bluemax> bob2: here's a screenshot of somebody's desktop using fluxbox to get an idea of the level of customization i want --> http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?shots-dev/r00t_fluxbox.jpg
[09:31] <bob2> bluemax: that's almost identical to the default fluxbox
[09:31] <LiberalTugboat> XFCE is really a great desktop, so is gnome... and same with KDE they just all have different uses
[09:31] <bob2> just with a different theme
[09:31] <bluemax> now it's the not the best looking thing obviously, but what i want to do is something like they have at the top
[09:31] <crimsun> lucifer666: presuming the display manager you want is installed, you should just be able to dpkg-reconfigure it
[09:32] <poofyhair> true dat
[09:32] <bluemax> as well as custom right-click menus like fluxbox has
[09:32] <poofyhair> each has an advantage
[09:32] <bluemax> for the desktop
[09:32] <bob2> bluemax: you need to ask theme what program that is at the top, it's not fluxbox
[09:32] <bluemax> bob2: ok
[09:32] <LiberalTugboat> XFCE is a fast full featured highly customizable desktop
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> Gnome is more polished, a tad bit slower, but extremely user friendly
[09:33] <mae> hm
[09:33] <kestas> anyway
[09:33] <kestas> when is linux going to have a more user friendly firewall?
[09:33] <lucifer666> thank you crimsun
[09:33] <LiberalTugboat> and KDE is a huge but extremely complete and integrated desktop
[09:35] <LiberalTugboat> no reason to bicker over which one is better, they all have their diferent uses, just be glad we have choices, unlike those other OS's
[09:35] <kestas> yeah yeah yeah
[09:39] <ivoks> it is...
[09:39] <bluemax> ok, i think i'm starting to understand all this now
[09:39] <LiberalTugboat> quite in here?
[09:39] <bluemax> so i can download other programs that run in a panel also?
[09:39] <bob2> yes...
[09:40] <bluemax> can you recommend any particular web site for that sort of thing?
[09:40] <bluszcz> www.kde-apps.org
[09:41] <LiberalTugboat> I want to try fluxbox
[09:41] <LiberalTugboat> brb
[09:42] <IIIEars> is there a live cd with fluxbox? (lazy - lol)
[09:42] <crimsun> no, because fluxbox is in universe
[09:42] <crimsun> however, you can boot the live cd, adapt your /etc/apt/sources.list (or use Synaptic), update, and install fluxbox; logout; select fluxbox from GDM's Session menu
[09:43] <bob2> or build your own livecd, if you're entirely over-eager
[09:43] <crimsun> ;p
[09:43] <IIIEars> yep "Auditor" forensic tool bonus :)
[09:44] <mattis> I'm looking for a bigger cursor. "big cursor" I found in synaptic doesn't do it. Where can I download one? Thx, btx, Ubuntu is great!
[09:45] <roo9> has anyone here ever experienced any kernel crashes on ubuntu caused by apache2 ?
[09:45] <IIIEars> hm live cd. add el torito to my current install - How do i measure disk usage? would it fit on a DVD....
[09:45] <roo9> hoary btw
[09:45] <bob2> apache2 can't crash the kernel
[09:45] <bob2> the worst it could do is eat all the memory so init gets killed
[09:45] <bob2> but that would be pretty impressive
[09:46] <roo9> May 10 11:50:22 boutet5 kernel: Process apache2 (pid: 8825, threadinfo=c1872000 task=e7696a60)
[09:46] <roo9> May 10 11:50:22 boutet5 kernel:  <6>note: apache2[8825]  exited with preempt_count 1
[09:46] <roo9> i get those preceeding kernel crashes
[09:46] <roo9> has happened about 20-25 times over the past week
[09:46] <bob2> that means the kernel crashed while running apache
[09:46] <bob2> e.g. apache was running in some bad part of your RAM or such
[09:47] <roo9> bob2: bad ram?
[09:47] <roo9> could that be the issue
[09:47] <hardcampa-> alternatively turn off preemtive in the kernel and try that... although the error is a bit vague so I'm not saying it's that for sure
[09:48] <bob2> roo9: that could be
[09:48] <bob2> roo9: or overheating
[09:48] <roo9> i have an error here, it's quite too long to paste
[09:48] <bob2> paste it to #flood
[09:48] <roo9> too long
[09:49] <roo9> i'll post it somewhere
[09:49] <roo9> it's 171 lines long :-)
[09:49] <bob2> that's fine for #flood
[09:49] <roo9> it will flood me off though probably
[09:50] <n00b> I just installed an airport (non-extreme) card on my ibook with ubunut already installed....ubuntu doesn't seem to autodetect it..anyone know how to config?
[09:50] <bob2> not if you have a useful client
[09:50] <kakalto> roo9, www.pastebin.com
[09:50] <kakalto> roo9, then come back and post the link
[09:50] <bob2> n00b: it's a g3 ibook?
[09:50] <n00b> yes
[09:50] <n00b> g3
[09:50] <roo9> /home/adam/boutet5.txt
[09:50] <bob2> n00b: in what sense does it not autodetect it?
[09:50] <roo9> haha, 1 sec
[09:50] <roo9> http://cube.gotlinux.us/boutet5.txt
[09:50] <roo9> that link even
[09:51] <n00b> good question....I'm not sure what to do next...In the network config app, only eth0 appears as a device..
[09:51] <n00b> how do I even check if its autodetected it?
[09:51] <geogeo> yo
[09:52] <lewwy> bah
[09:52] <bob2> n00b: run "dmesg | grep -i airport" in a terminal, does it print anything?
[09:52] <lewwy> is ubuntu hoary supposed to pick up usb drives when you put them in?
[09:52] <n00b> rebooting now...one sec
[09:52] <geogeo> hey dudes, can I deactivate the blank screen when my laptop works on the battery ?
[09:52] <[Chameleon] > lewwy: yes, if they are USB Storage compatible
[09:53] <lewwy> so, it should just be "there"
[09:53] <geogeo> I tried to modify the screensaver preferences but it doesn't work.
[09:53] <[Chameleon] > lewwy: udev should automatically notice and mount it... unless there is a problem.
[09:53] <bob2> lewwy: yes
[09:53] <lewwy> argh
[09:53] <[Chameleon] > lewwy: currently my USB 2.0 HD is having issues and it's not connecting.
[09:53] <lewwy> wheres it supposed to mount to
[09:53] <[Chameleon] > lewwy: what's your isue?
[09:53] <bob2> [Chameleon] : well, udev tells gnome-volume-manger, which mounts it
[09:53] <[Chameleon] > lewwy: /media/
[09:54] <[Chameleon] > bob2: OK, thanks.
[09:54] <lewwy> argh!
[09:54] <lewwy> its not there!
[09:54] <n00b> negative, bob2...dmesg | grep airport = null
[09:54] <lewwy> ok i gots my camera plugged into hoary final
[09:54] <lewwy> and...its not doing anything
[09:54] <bob2> lewwy: perhaps your camera uses a silly proprietary format
[09:54] <roo9> bob2: did you get a chance to take a look at that?
[09:55] <lewwy> your silly!
[09:55] <lewwy> ok
[09:55] <bob2> roo9: you seem to be running out of memory a lot
[09:55] <lewwy> its definitely not doing anything
[09:55] <Jooster> Hi everyone. I've got a problem with my ubuntu system. You see, i have wireless LAN access to a router from my computer. The network-card and the accesspoint is of the label Linksys. My problem is that i can't get it working. Apparently ubuntu havent got support for neither the accesspoint, nor the network-card. What should i do? how do I get it to work?
[09:56] <roo9> bob2: 1 gb ram, 2gb swap
[09:56] <bob2> Jooster: er, it's not possible for Ubuntu to not support an AP
[09:56] <bob2> Jooster: what sort of card is it?
[09:56] <Nula> Jooster: what bob2 said
[09:57] <bob3> hey bob
[09:57] <Jooster> some linksys card named wmp54g...
[09:57] <bob2> that's kinda creepy
[09:57] <LBM> just received my ubuntu cd's
[09:57] <stuNNed> heh
[09:57] <Jooster> have patience with me, im new to linux :P
[09:57] <[Chameleon] > stuNNed: hey you
[09:57] <stuNNed> hi [Chameleon] 
[09:57] <[Chameleon] > stuNNed: so you switched to Ubuntu, too?
[09:57] <stuNNed> [Chameleon] : mixed gentoo and ubuntu
[09:58] <n00b> bob2, dmesg | grep airport  nulled...any ideas?  Is there some way to run ubuntu through the varitable plethora of hardware detection it runs on install?
[09:58] <[Chameleon] > stuNNed: interesting
[09:58] <bob2> Jooster: unfortunately you have to use a seedy hack to use windows drivers under linux
[09:58] <bob2> Jooster: in future, it's best to by hardware with proper linux drivers
[09:58] <bob2> n00b: that won't help
[09:58] <Jooster> i realise that now...
[09:58] <n00b> i have a feeling that a fresh install would detect the card...but I'd hate to wipe my system
[09:58] <bob3> Jooster: you can readup on ndiswrapper
[09:58] <bob2> n00b: why do you think reinstalling would help?
[09:59] <bob3> Jooster: it allows you to use windows network drivers with linux
[09:59] <n00b> i've heard others claim that it works out of the box
[09:59] <Jooster> bob3: and how do i do that?
[09:59] <stuNNed> Jooster: it's pretty easy really
[09:59] <stuNNed> Jooster: if it *works*
[09:59] <bob2> Jooster: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper/view?searchterm=
[09:59] <bob3> Jooster: I suggest you go to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:59] <bob3> or go where bob said
[09:59] <n00b> i've heard probs with airport extreme...but not the old cards
[09:59] <bob2> n00b: run "ifconfig -a", do you see a eth1 interface?
[09:59] <stuNNed> bob2 or bob3?
[10:00] <[Chameleon] > LOL
[10:00] <n00b> bob2, neg...eth0 lo, and sit0
[10:00] <bob2> creepy
[10:00] <[Chameleon] > seems like my work
[10:00] <bob2> n00b: how about "lsmod | grep airport"?
[10:00] <bob3> I concur with bob2
[10:00] <n00b> bob2, neg...
[10:00] <bob2> bear in mind I've never used a g3 ibook with airport
[10:00] <stuNNed> lol
[10:00] <n00b> null
[10:00] <[Chameleon] > we've got 4 "Bobs"... but they are the "Office Space" kind.. "Efficiency Experts"
[10:00] <bob2> n00b: try "sudo modprobe airport"
[10:01] <bob2> it'd be good if people didn't pick similar nicks to me
[10:01] <n00b> bob2, victory!
[10:01] <bob3> :( but I like being bob
[10:01] <bob_number1> heh
[10:01] <n00b> that did it
[10:01] <bob2> n00b: ok
[10:01] <n00b> right not bob2...thanks
[10:01] <n00b> right on
[10:01] <bob2> n00b: add the word airport to /etc/modules
[10:01] <bob2> on it's own line
[10:02] <Jooster> thx for the help everyone, will try the ndiswrapper and hope it'll work... =)
[10:02] <LiberalTugboat> is there a way to re-run the hardware detection that is run during install
[10:02] <bob2> LiberalTugboat: why?
[10:02] <n00b> bob2, shud I reboot?
[10:02] <netmonk> hello! i have kind of silly question. I'm on hoary, and for some reason the eject image does not show when i eject the cd. bow can i "fix" that?
[10:02] <stuNNed> Jooster: it's better than nothing i guess :\
[10:02] <LiberalTugboat> incase you have upgrades
[10:03] <LiberalTugboat> like swap out a mobo and video card
[10:03] <stuNNed> netmonk: what do you mean?
[10:03] <glasseye1> hey guys
[10:03] <glasseye1> i got the mplayer deb file from marillat
[10:04] <netmonk> stuNNed, there is a small image that apears on the screen when you eject the cd - it's not appearing here ;)
[10:04] <stuNNed> marillat is goodness
[10:04] <glasseye1> im using ubuntu and i have no idea what to do with it
[10:04] <bob2> n00b: no
[10:04] <bob2> LiberalTugboat: motherboard doesn't matter, video card, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:04] <n00b> bob2, too late :-O ...sorry..im used to windoze :)
[10:04] <bob2> glasseye1: please just use the mplayer from ubuntu
[10:04] <poofyhair> netmonk: you need to right click on the image on the desktop to eject it
[10:06] <stuNNed> bob2: so with hoary there is no need to use marillat anymore?
[10:06] <bob2> yes
[10:06] <geogeo> hello hello
[10:06] <poofyhair> digkam is the best camera application I think, that and KDE are the only thing that make me install the libraries
[10:06] <bob2> unless you want highly dodgy things like the windows dlls
[10:06] <bob2> but you might as well just get the .deb
[10:06] <poofyhair> stunned:yes, if you add the backport repo, you don't need marillat at all
[10:06] <geogeo> does anybody know how to stop the blank screen to appear all the 10min on a laptop working on battery ?
[10:07] <stuNNed> poofyhair: thanks poof
[10:07] <netmonk> poofyhair, i eject the cd with no problems. but when the cd ejects, before i had a sign that apeared for a second on the screen, now it doesn't. I would like to have the sign apear again.
[10:07] <n00b> sweetness...wireless connection now appears in netwrk settings
[10:08] <Darksun> Does ubuntu have any wireless networking tools, to scan for networks and stuff?
[10:08] <poofyhair> netmonk: really? aww...I've never seen that! I want it to...I'll search the forums for it
[10:08] <bob2> Darksun: sure, kismet, best tool in the world
[10:08] <poofyhair> darksun: or install netapplet and
[10:08] <stuNNed> why is kismet so good?
[10:08] <Darksun> k, installing
[10:08] <bob2> stuNNed: actual passive scanning
[10:09] <bob2> netstumbler scan very loudly
[10:09] <Anubis> I think Firefox is freezing my machine?
[10:09] <poofyhair> http://support.novell.com/techcenter/articles/tp10007.html
[10:09] <stuNNed> bob2: ah ok thanks
[10:09] <Anubis> version 1.03
[10:09] <mattis> found big cursor http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=19902
[10:09] <netmonk> poofyhair, it's os X style. I installed Hoary on my pc and i have it, but on the lappy i upgraded from warty and somhere in the process lost it ;)
[10:09] <bob2> Anubis: no, it's not
[10:09] <poofyhair> but in order for kismet to work, your card must supprot monitor mode
[10:09] <Anubis> bob2, how do you know?
[10:09] <poofyhair> for prism and orinoco cards, to get kismet to work, you must use this:
[10:09] <bob2> Anubis: firefox cannot freeze your computer
[10:09] <Anubis> why?
[10:09] <bob2> Anubis: the worst it can do is eat all your memory
[10:10] <stuNNed> bob2: but some plugin could no?
[10:10] <bob2> Anubis: because it's a userspace program
[10:10] <bob2> stuNNed: no
[10:10] <poofyhair> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23596&highlight=kismet
[10:10] <Anubis> your answer inspires 0 confidence
[10:10] <Anubis> thx
[10:10] <bob2> stuNNed: how can a userspace process crash a computer?  it can't touch the hardware, it can't use all your cpu time.
[10:10] <bob2> Anubis: well, I'm sorry, that's how it is
[10:10] <poofyhair> anubis: install the program epiphany
[10:10] <bob2> firefox cannot crash your machine
[10:10] <IIIEars> 9x/ME it could happen but not linux
[10:10] <poofyhair> use it instead
[10:10] <bob2> poofyhair: er, please don't suggest answers that won't help
[10:10] <poofyhair> or get the backport firefox
[10:11] <Anubis> my system locks everytime I open a new window in firefox
[10:11] <Anubis> no other time
[10:11] <poofyhair> Hoarys is a littel broken now
[10:11] <bob2> maybe you have bad ram
[10:11] <stuNNed> epiphany crashes more than galeon
[10:11] <bob2> poofyhair: hoary is *frozen* now
[10:11] <glasseye1> hey bob2 whats the best way of getting the ubuntu mplayer
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> glasseye1: using apt-get
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> or synaptic
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> it's in the multiverse repository
[10:11] <kakalto> if I type "command1 && command2 && shutdown" in a terminal, will it first perform command1, then command2, then shutdown? or will it try to process all three simultaneously?
[10:11] <glasseye1> i tried that but i cant seem to get the best package name
[10:11] <bob2> glasseye1: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, enable multiverse
[10:11] <glasseye1> apt-get install -t hoary mplayer-386
[10:11] <Anubis> poofyhair, I'm using epiphanynow to see what happens
[10:11] <glasseye1> ?
[10:11] <poofyhair> bob2: actually, they plan to backport secrity fixes to firefox soon
[10:11] <bob2> poofyhair: yes, I know
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: it will process each in turn only if the last was successful
[10:12] <kakalto> ohk
[10:12] <kakalto> kewl
[10:12] <bob2> that's not breaking the freeze, that's providing security updates
[10:12] <kakalto> thanks
[10:12] <IIIEars> remove/reinstall firefox - turn off java and scripting when you surf - the 'net isn't always a friendly place
[10:12] <poofyhair> bob2: I hope some problems will get fixed anyways, we don't know till it happens
[10:12] <glasseye1> apt-get install -t hoary mplayer-386?
[10:12] <geogeo> Anybody of you has a laptop ?
[10:12] <n00b> when I select 'properties' for the wireless config in 'network settings', the pull down menu for network name doesn't include my network...does that mean its not picking it up?
[10:12] <Darksun> geogeo, I do!
[10:12] <glasseye1> i have a laptop
[10:12] <glasseye1> pentium 133mhz
[10:12] <poofyhair> I do
[10:12] <geogeo> ok I have a question
[10:12] <poofyhair> worked on it a lot tonight
[10:13] <glasseye1> it runs the fuel cmputer in my car
[10:13] <geogeo> when working on battery
[10:13] <glasseye1> apt-get install -t hoary mplayer-386?
[10:13] <geogeo> blank screen appears every 10 minutes
[10:13] <bob2> so wiggle the mouse
[10:13] <geogeo> do you know how to stop this event ?
[10:13] <bob2> or disable dpms
[10:13] <poofyhair> glasseye1: make sure you ahve multiverse isntalled
[10:13] <PseudoIntellectu> Hi, I'm not sure if you offer support for this sort of thing, but I'm having some trouble with Azureus. The program runs fine. But it keeps killing my connection for some reason, even when it's not using any bandwidth. Just by having the program running, all my other internet applications can no longer access the internet. I just wanted to know if this was a problem with my OS, or with my connection?
[10:13] <glasseye1> ill get on top of that...
[10:14] <geogeo> so Darksun, do you have this blankscreen ?
[10:14] <poofyhair> and TAKE out marillet glasseye!
[10:14] <bob2> PseudoIntellectu: run "sudo netstat -pluant | grep -ci azur" and tell us what it says
[10:14] <kakalto> g'night all
[10:14] <bob2> PseudoIntellectu: when it's running, of course
[10:14] <Darksun> geogeo, not sure, I've not unplugged my laptop since I installed ubuntu :P
[10:14] <geogeo> I can't find the options to deactivate it
[10:14] <geogeo> ahah
[10:15] <bob2> glasseye1: xset dpms
[10:15] <cyphase> Microsoft has officially surrendered to Firefox - See the article here - http://cyphase.homelinux.com/
[10:15] <bob2> cyphase: we already saw the silly photshopped screenshot already
[10:15] <stuNNed> lol
[10:16] <cyphase> lol
[10:16] <cyphase> yea, well..
[10:16] <cyphase> its not just the screenshot
[10:16] <cyphase> but whatever
[10:16] <stuNNed> it's some funk of redirectness
[10:17] <Darksun> Hmm
[10:17] <geogeo> does anybody of you have a ibm t40 series ?
[10:17] <cyphase> yea, i need to fix that
[10:17] <cyphase> lol
[10:17] <PseudoIntellectu> bob2: IT just returns '0'
[10:18] <bob2> PseudoIntellectu: you don't have azureus running?
[10:18] <PseudoIntellectu> It's running.
[10:18] <PseudoIntellectu> bob2: Yes, I have it running.
[10:18] <bob2> PseudoIntellectu: are you sure it's spelt azureus?
[10:19] <PseudoIntellectu> bob2: Yep.
[10:19] <IIIEars> lol - haven't turned my windows box on in so long i have forgotten the admin pass. - Ubuntu is good.
[10:19] <Darksun> Does anyone know how to set it up in firefox so that when you scroll on the tabbar it cycles through the tabs?
[10:19] <Darksun> I had it working like that on windows, I think it's either a setting or an extension
[10:19] <bob2> Darksun: is there an extension for that? try the mozdev site
[10:19] <glasseye1> what is xset dmps?
[10:19] <IIIEars> i wanted to transfer some mp3s but, now i'm stuck - googling forensic software now.
[10:20] <bob2> glasseye1: it's the command you need to run in a terminal
[10:20] <bob2> IIIEars: you don't need forensics, just reset the password
[10:20] <glasseye1> really i just got it to work another way
[10:20] <bob2> ok, coll
[10:20] <glasseye1> but now it looks like its a pain to configure
[10:20] <glasseye1> if i just type mplayer from the console
[10:20] <stuNNed> IIIEars: there is nt recovery disk easy to reset nt passwd
[10:20] <IIIEars> how can i do that without logging in?
[10:21] <stuNNed> it boots from cdrom
[10:21] <bob2> IIIEars: if you can boot your own disk, you can trivially hijack any computer
[10:21] <IIIEars> do you remember the name?
[10:21] <n00b> which key does one enter for "WEP key" ...the short passphrase or the long hex key?
[10:21] <stuNNed> IIIEars: one sec
[10:21] <glasseye1> is there an easy way to get to the gui in mplayer or do i have to setup drivers etc.
[10:21] <IIIEars> Great!
[10:21] <bob2> IIIEars: http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/9528/9528.html
[10:21] <bob2> n00b: the hex thing
[10:21] <stuNNed> IIIEars: http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/
[10:22] <bob2> glasseye1: did you install the gui?
[10:22] <IIIEars> do i owe $75 per half hour and a one hour min?
[10:22] <Darksun> :o
[10:23] <IIIEars> lol
[10:23] <glasseye1> bob2 do you have to install it seperately??
[10:23] <Darksun> <3 Blueyonder!
[10:23] <IIIEars> Thank You :)
[10:23] <bob2> glasseye1: yes
[10:23] <Darksun> They've upgraded my connection to 1mbps, I think
[10:23] <bob2> glasseye1: or maybe not.  the binary is gmplayer, anyway.
[10:24] <PseudoIntellectu> Hrm. I tried all combinations. 'azu', 'azureus', 'Azureus' and 'Azureus2.jar'. All return '0'
[10:24] <bob2> that's odd
[10:24] <bob2> that means it's not using the network at all
[10:25] <n00b> shud I be concerned that my wireless router network name doesn't appear in the pull down list...I just manually typed it in...in os X it detected it
[10:25] <PseudoIntellectu> Which is weird, because it was intermittently downloading while I was trying to netstat.
[10:26] <bob2> n00b: can you connect to it?
[10:26] <bob2> PseudoIntellectu: put the output of "sudo netstat -pluant" up somewhre (like #flood)
[10:26] <bob2> while it's running and you're downloading, ideally
[10:27] <PseudoIntellectu> Are you watching in Flood?
[10:27] <bob2> yes
[10:27] <n00b> bob2: no...no connection yet....a progress bar that says "activating eth0" goes for a while and then disappears (no feedback on the password and whatnot)...and my browser is not loading google
[10:28] <bob2> n00b: I'd ignore the gui stuff, personally
[10:28] <n00b> yeah
[10:28] <n00b> I think I'll cli tomroow
[10:28] <bob2> run "sudo iwconfig essid your_essid"
[10:28] <n00b> oh
[10:28] <n00b> ok
[10:28] <n00b> i'll give that a shot
[10:28] <bob2> and "sudo iwconfig key 'your hex key here'"
[10:28] <bob2> then run "sudo iwconfig eth1" and see if it's associated
[10:28] <n00b> is there anyway to tell it to list the networks it sees?
[10:29] <bob2> PseudoIntellectu: oh, it's java
[10:29] <bob2> blah
[10:29] <bob2> n00b: sudo iwlist scanning
[10:29] <PseudoIntellectu> Ah, right. Is that a problem?
[10:30] <bob2> well, it explains why the command I gave you didn't work properly
[10:30] <bob2> try 'sudo netstat -pluant | grep -ic java'
[10:31] <n00b> iwlist scanning says no interface supports scanning (lo, eth0, eth1 or sit0)...my wireless is eth0
[10:31] <bob2> ouch
[10:31] <vics_> Alguien me puede ayudar ?
[10:31] <n00b> vics..yo hablo espagnol
[10:31] <n00b> puedo traducir
[10:31] <vics_> gracias
[10:31] <bob2> #ubuntu-es
[10:32] <n00b> de nada...que problema tiene?
[10:32] <PseudoIntellectu> bob2: '49'
[10:33] <bob2> well, that means it's connected to 49 other machines
[10:33] <vics_> He instalado Ubuntu y no encuentro los discos duros restantes (estan formateados en EX3)
[10:33] <bob2> depending on how crap your "router" is, that might be enough
[10:33] <bob2> (to break it)
[10:34] <n00b> vics_...tienes que poner lineas en /etc/fstab para montar esos discos duros..
[10:34] <n00b> sabes como hacerlo?
[10:34] <vics_> es igual q montar los ntfs ?
[10:35] <n00b> parecido....los discos duros que no se encuentran, sabes cuales son los /dev/? correspendiate...como /dev/hdb ...
[10:35] <vics_> si
[10:37] <n00b> ok....suponiendo que la particion que quieres montar es /dev/hdb1  intente esto como root "mkdir /mnt/probar"   y despues "mount -t auto /dev/hdb1 /mnt/probar"
[10:37] <vics_> muchas gracias
[10:38] <n00b> funciono?
[10:39] <n00b> una vez que sabes el tipo de sistema de archivos, puedes poner una linea en /etc/fstab para que lo monte automaticamente al iniciar el sistema
[10:40] <n00b> yo hago asi con mi particion de OS X pero con la opcion de ro (read only) para no joder lo que esta ahi
[10:40] <xelcadi> ello peepz Windows user here!.. Currently in Ubuntu... total Linux newb =)
[10:41] <Pseud> bob2: Sorry. The thing finally killed my connectin again.
[10:41] <n00b> bob2.  iwlist scanning says eth0 (wireless) doesn't support scanning...its an old airport card...it seemed to detect my network in os x
[10:41] <Pseud> bob2: The last thing I saw was my telling you that It returned '49'
[10:41] <bob2> n00b: ok
[10:41] <bob2> 18:33:00 @         bob2 | well, that means it's connected to 49 other machines
[10:42] <bob2> 18:33:08 @         bob2 | depending on how crap your "router" is, that might be enough
[10:42] <bob2> 18:33:13 @         bob2 | (to break it)
[10:42] <Pseud> bob2: Ah, right.
[10:42] <bob2> Pseud: try limiting the number of connections it uses in your config somewherew and see if that helps
[10:43] <reset> hola
[10:43] <n00b> buenas noches
[10:43] <reset> ehe
[10:43] <n00b> bob2, any other ideas?
[10:43] <Pseud> bob2: That's weird. But the connection went down even when the program wasn't using any bandwidth.
[10:43] <reset> i've installed ubuntu on my notebook
[10:43] <Pseud> bob2: But thank you.
[10:43] <bob2> n00b: if it doesn't support scanning, it doesn't support scanning
[10:43] <reset> and now i've a problem
[10:43] <bob2> Pseud: it doesn't have to use bandwidth
[10:43] <bob2> it just has to keep the sockets open
[10:44] <reset> :\
[10:44] <bob2> reset: best to just ask
[10:44] <reset> my desktop is small
[10:44] <reset> not to full screen
[10:44] <n00b> bob2, alrite...it just seems odd cuz it werked in os x...the scanning feature...I guess I'll exhaust all the options of command line tools tomorow...thanks fer your help
[10:45] <bob2> I guess it's a driver limit
[10:45] <reset> i see my small desktop and aournd it black screen
[10:45] <reset> but...
[10:45] <bob2> is it a wide screen laptop with an intel graphics chip?
[10:45] <reset> when was windows the screen was 1024x full screen
[10:45] <reset> :\
[10:46] <reset> sorry for my eng
[10:46] <reset> what can i do
[10:46] <xelcadi> rest, I'm a total linux newb.. yet is there an option in bios to set gfx chipset to "stretch" display to fullscreen? (It's blurry, but at least full screen
[10:47] <evilgod692> quick question, under ubuntu 4.10, under the synaptic package manager, which repositories should i select? (default install)
[10:47] <xelcadi> *reset
[10:47] <bob2> evilgod692: just leave it
[10:47] <bob2> evilgod692: but bear in mind 4.10 is already a release behind the ball
[10:47] <evilgod692> bob2: but the only repository selected is the cd :S
[10:47] <reset> i searched for it but
[10:47] <reset> i wasn't see
[10:47] <bob2> evilgod692: then you can enable the main and universe mirrors if you want
[10:48] <n00b> has anyone ever tried setting up KDE on ubuntu...is it easy?
[10:48] <jiyuu0> how do i take a screenshot of the active window... not the entire desktop?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> n00b, install kubuntu-desktop package
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, gimp can do it
[10:49] <bob2> as can "import"
[10:49] <xelcadi> jiyuu0.. try alt+printscreen? Not sure it that'd work
[10:49] <reset> i check the bios too
[10:49] <xelcadi> Or perhaps shift+alt+printscreen
[10:49] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, oic... the System -> Take screenshot will take whole thing
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, file-->acquire-->screenshot
[10:49] <tim7575> looking for some help.. ive installed ubuntu and its running ok, only problem is the display in gnome is all over the place.. i had a similar problem with another distro before, apparantly i need to edit part of the xconfig.conf file... someone can help me please?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, choose "a single window"
[10:50] <bob2> tim7575: "all over the place" is kinda vague
[10:50] <gorilla_> tim7575, how do you mean "all over the place"? :-)
[10:50] <reset> :
[10:50] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, thanks :)
[10:50] <jiyuu0> GNOME should make the Take Screenshot better
[10:51] <bob2> jiyuu0: file a wishlist bug
[10:51] <jiyuu0> bob2, where?
[10:51] <tim7575> ok... i can kind of make out the screen and log in... just, its all blurry and theres like 4 different 'views' of the desktop all displayed at once all overlapping each other
[10:51] <bob2> jiyuu0: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <Burgundavia> cool, we made toms --> http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050512_124421.html
[10:53] <Seveas> Burgundavia, post it on sounder@ please :)
[10:54] <glasseye1> how do i install the mplayer gui
[10:54] <bob2> glasseye1: have you run gmplayer yet?
[10:54] <glasseye1> yeah it works
[10:54] <glasseye1> i was just watching chapelle show
[10:54] <glasseye1> and got sidetracked
[10:54] <glasseye1> but i still dont have a gui
[10:54] <bob2> ...
[10:55] <bob2> gmplayer is the gui
[10:55] <glasseye1> lol
[10:55] <glasseye1> ok
[10:55] <glasseye1> ill try that
[10:55] <tim7575> anyone?
[10:55] <glasseye1> thanks bob2
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Seveas, already there
[10:57] <poofyhair> tim: what video card do you have
[10:58] <poofyhair> hickup
[10:58] <n00b> bob2...so iwconfig says 63 packets rx ...47 packets tx ...46 errors...the wep key is right...the ssid is right...but no love
[10:59] <bob2> eth1      IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:"fnord"  Nickname:"ipw2100"
[10:59] <bob2> that's the top line of my iwconfig output
[10:59] <bob2> does yours show the ESSID like that?
[10:59] <geogeo> does anybody know how to deactivate blank screen on a laptop working on the battery ?
[10:59] <n00b> mine is similar
[10:59] <bob2> geogeo: dude
[11:00] <tim7575> blade 8mb 3d
[11:00] <geogeo> hm ?
[11:00] <geogeo> dude ?
[11:00] <bob2> geogeo: a) you said you'd figured it out, b) I tol you another way
[11:00] <geogeo> I can't..!
[11:00] <n00b> essid "elcamino" and nickname "hermes"....elcamino is right...
[11:00] <poofyhair> blade?
[11:00] <bob2> n00b: ok.  now run "sudo dhclient eth0" which will probably screw your wired ethernet connection up
[11:00] <n00b> mine is also 802.11b
[11:00] <poofyhair> I have to hit google, hold on
[11:00] <bob2> poofyhair: it's an old terrible trident chipset
[11:01] <poofyhair> then I have the solution
[11:01] <poofyhair> (I have one of those)
[11:01] <calamari> anyone know what package ld.so is in?
[11:01] <bob2> calamari: you already have it
[11:01] <geogeo> I tried some managers but it doesn't work and the battery is managed by the system, it can't be helpd..
[11:01] <calamari> bob2: where? not in /lib or /usr/*
[11:02] <bob2> calamari: are you on amd64?
[11:02] <calamari> nope
[11:02] <bob2> so, you're using:
[11:02] <calamari> 32-bit, using warty
[11:02] <geogeo> and if I erase the lines with apm=on ...on menu.lst, apm won't work anymore
[11:02] <poofyhair> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and when it opens change the default depth to 16
[11:02] <bob2> by "32-bit" you mean "i386"?
[11:02] <n00b> bob2...no DHCP offers received
[11:02] <calamari> yeah
[11:02] <poofyhair> thats what you have to do with old trident cards
[11:02] <bob2> n00b: sure you got the wep key correct?
[11:02] <n00b> triple checked it..
[11:03] <calamari> bob2: actually, I'm using a 686 kernel, but it's from the ubuntu repository
[11:03] <n00b> maybe I'll try without encryption
[11:03] <bob2> that's fine
[11:03] <bob2> and doesn't change the architecture
[11:03] <kestas> is there a ubuntu default kernel configuration?
[11:04] <bob2> of course
[11:04] <kestas> do you know where I can get it?
[11:04] <bob2> in /boot
[11:04] <kestas> ah k thanks
[11:04] <bob2> it's best to not recompile your kernel, tho
[11:04] <kestas> I need to add some nat and tunnel stuff
[11:05] <bob2> the ubuntu kernel includes all mainline nat and tunnel stuff
[11:05] <kestas> well for some reason pearpc's networking isnt working
[11:05] <kestas> theres a list of about 6 things which need to be included in the kernel for it to work
[11:05] <bob2> did you load the modules it needs?
[11:06] <kestas> it doesnt say which modules it needs 1 sec
[11:06] <calamari> bob2: just search my entire HD for "ld.so", including hidden files.. nada.  Got a few close ones tho.. /etc/ld.so.cache  /etc/ld.so.conf  and ld.so.8 (man page)
[11:06] <calamari> search->searched
[11:06] <kestas> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/netsetup.html
[11:06] <kestas> if you scroll down you can see all of the stuff the kernel needs
[11:06] <bob2> calamari: well, I have it, but nothing claims ownership of it
[11:06] <kestas> Im not sure whether ubuntu has all that
[11:06] <calamari> aha.. thanks man page
[11:06] <bob2> calamari: why do you care if it's there?
[11:06] <calamari> ld-linux.so  (actually ld-linux.so.2)
[11:07] <bob2> right, you meant that file
[11:07] <calamari> bob2: trying to run a statically compiled app and it's failing)
[11:07] <bob2> kestas: so, no need to recompile the kernel at all
[11:07] <kestas> CONFIG_TUN, CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK, CONFIG_IP_NF_IPTABLES, CONFIG_IP_NF_MASQUERADE
[11:07] <kestas> thats what it needs
[11:07] <bob2> and, in future, it's best to ask (and explain what you're trying to do) before recompiling things
[11:08] <Darksun> OK, here's one for you - when I close the lid on my laptop, the screen switches off, I open it and it turns back on, but about a second after this X seems to crash, I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor, although the music I was listening to still played. Ctrl-alt-backspace didn't work, so I had to ctrl-alt-del to reset the system
[11:09] <calamari> hrm.. sudo ln -s ld-2.3.2.so ld.so   doesn't seem to have helped out any
[11:09] <Hatred> hmm
[11:09] <Hatred> that is interesting.
[11:09] <kestas> ubuntu doesnt have CONFIG_IP_NF_MASQUERADE
[11:09] <kestas> it has the others but not that
[11:09] <zzyber> im trying to connect my samsung phone with a serial cable to my ubuntu but i dont know how to mount it, can someone help me?
[11:09] <calamari> here is the error I'm still getting: "tasm: can't load dynamic linker '/lib/ld.so nor /usr/i486-linux/lib/ld.so'"
[11:10] <calamari> get the same error with "ldd tasm" before it tells me it's not a dynamic executable
[11:11] <Hatred> have you googled ther error calamari ?
[11:11] <zzyber>  Does someone know how to connect a phone serial?
[11:11] <calamari> hatred: yes
[11:11] <kestas> I figure Ill compile a new kernel, whats the worst that could happen
[11:12] <Seveas> kestas, that you make an error and it won't boot :)
[11:12] <kestas> Im not going to delete the old kernel
[11:12] <kestas> just add another
[11:12] <Seveas> kestas, i mean that the new kernel won't boot
[11:12] <kestas> then Ill boot into the old one and try another config
[11:13] <Seveas> which is not too big a problem, cause if you know what you are doing, you won't make a kernel build error :)
[11:13] <gorilla_> kestas, in that case, find out now how to revert to an older kernel using lilo or grub or your_boot_loader.
[11:13] <Seveas> kestas, my point was: not too much can go wrong
[11:13] <kestas> yup I know how
[11:13] <bob2> calamari: how old is that?
[11:13] <kestas> ah okay ;)
[11:13] <calamari> oh wait.. what is the command to rebuild the libs?
[11:13] <n000b> bob2, even with WEP disabled on my linksys router I can't connect ... but the powermeter says the wireless card is getting strong signal
[11:14] <kestas> how do you search in 'make menuconfig'?
[11:14] <calamari> bob2: 1998
[11:14] <nevyn> kestas: you don't
[11:15] <kestas> nevyn, you do :P
[11:15] <calamari> it's a statically linked i386 binary
[11:15] <kestas> Ive done it before
[11:15] <kestas> just cant remember how
[11:15] <nevyn> kestas: you have to go through everything anyway.
[11:15] <kestas> why?
[11:15] <bob2> calamari: this is tasm, the borland assembler?
[11:15] <kestas> Im using the ubuntu default config file
[11:15] <kestas> and altering a couple of things which I need
[11:15] <calamari> bob2: no it's not.. tasm the telemark assembler
[11:15] <bob2> ah
[11:15] <nevyn> masm was great.
[11:16] <calamari> hehe
[11:16] <calamari> it's a nifty assembler for 6502
[11:16] <nevyn> hrm
[11:16] <nevyn> for c64 ?
[11:16] <nevyn> or apple?
[11:16] <calamari> unfortunately the last time I used it was in MS-DOS.. lol
[11:16] <calamari> either one
[11:16] <nevyn> hrm
[11:17] <calamari> or nes, atari
[11:17] <nevyn> a friend of mine wrote a assembler recently
[11:17] <nevyn> for 6502
[11:17] <bob2> theres a couple of Free 6502 assemblers
[11:17] <calamari> lots of old consoles used that chip
[11:17] <bob2> xa54 is in ubuntu
[11:17] <calamari> I appreciate that, but I must use tasm
[11:18] <calamari> anyhow.. this is irrevelent to why linux thinks I don't have ld.so
[11:18] <bob2> well, it's not linux
[11:18] <calamari> ok "whatever it's called" doesn't think I have ld.so
[11:19] <calamari> :)
[11:19] <Seveas> calamari, that's because you don't have it
[11:19] <calamari> Seveas: yeah.. my original question was where to get it
[11:20] <Seveas> calamari, ln -s /lib/ld-2.3.2.so /lib/ld.so
[11:20] <Seveas> (on hoary)
[11:20] <calamari> Seveas: tried that.. didn't work, unfortunately
[11:20] <Seveas> calamari, paste the output of ls -l /lib | grep ld to ubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:21] <Darksun> n000b, are you using DCHP? I had to manually set up my wireless network, DCHP wouldn't work for some reason
[11:21] <Darksun> Hmm
[11:21] <Darksun> He quit!
[11:21] <Darksun> >_<
[11:21] <calamari> I should actually say "it didn't help" rather than "it didn't work", because the sybolic link was created just fine
[11:21] <Seveas> ok
[11:22] <Seveas> can't you get more verbose output from tasm about why it cannot load the ld.so?
[11:23] <calamari> Seveas: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/283584
[11:23] <kestas> I dont have to make an initrd with the ubuntu config do I?
[11:23] <calamari> Seveas: "ldd tasm" gives the same error .. isn't that sort of odd?
[11:24] <bob2> well
[11:24] <Seveas> maybe tasm was compiled for a much older libc?
[11:24] <bob2> ldd won't give useful output for static executables
[11:24] <calamari> Seveas: perhaps.. it was compiled in 1998
[11:24] <Seveas> calamari, can't you get a newer version of tasm, i guess this will never work
[11:25] <Seveas> libc has changed too much since then
[11:25] <calamari> Seveas: trying to, but the author changed it to a Visual Studio win32 console app.. hehe
[11:25] <Seveas> argh
[11:25] <bob2> if it's static, it's not using libc
[11:25] <bob2> except for NSS
[11:25] <Seveas> bob2, hmm, true too
[11:25] <bob2> and that usually ends in segfaults when it goes wrong
[11:25] <bob2> calamari: what does "file" say it is?
[11:25] <bob2> it doesn't sound very static to me
[11:26] <calamari> tasm: Linux/i386 demand-paged executable (QMAGIC)
[11:26] <bob2> haha
[11:26] <calamari> not static at all, is it
[11:26] <bob2> I've never even heard of that sort of executable
[11:27] <Seveas> neither even
[11:27] <bob2> calamari: sudo modprobe aout
[11:27] <mjr> hmm, I vaguely recall qmagic executables from the old coff days
[11:27] <bob2> er, binfmt_aout
[11:27] <mjr> what bob said
[11:27] <bob2> I don't know if the binfmt handler is configured to do handle them automatically
[11:27] <geogeo> hey dudes, do you know why I have to do mount -a after booting ?
[11:27] <calamari> done
[11:28] <geogeo> my lines in fstab are good
[11:28] <bob2> geogeo: I'd guess one of them failed
[11:28] <geogeo> do you think ?
[11:28] <bob2> geogeo: do you have any network filesystems in there?
[11:28] <geogeo> yea
[11:28] <geogeo> smbfs
[11:28] <Seveas> geogeo, do you have network shares in fstab?
[11:28] <Seveas> yeah
[11:28] <Seveas> they fail :)
[11:28] <bob2> geogeo: does commenting it out help?
[11:28] <bob2> or making it noauto
[11:28] <calamari> I noticed after running tasm that an a.out file was generated.. is that normal?
[11:28] <geogeo> I've put defaults
[11:29] <geogeo> defaults include auto ?
[11:29] <bob2> apparently :)
[11:29] <geogeo> hmm
[11:29] <Seveas> calamari, i  think so
[11:29] <bob2> calamari: that is a really really old program there
[11:29] <Seveas> from before the ELF days
[11:29] <calamari> bob2: cool :) I'd really like to try to get it going tho :)
[11:29] <bob2> calamari: it's not working now?
[11:29] <calamari> nope
[11:29] <Seveas> same error?
[11:29] <calamari> same errors
[11:30] <bob2> did you load the module?
[11:30] <geogeo> if i put a "noauto", the network shared file won't be mount at booting
[11:30] <calamari> tried running the a.out file and got a Seg fault
[11:30] <calamari> bob2: yes
[11:30] <bob2> geogeo: yes
[11:30] <bob2> haha
[11:30] <bob2> where did the a.out file come from?
[11:30] <blake> how come limewire won't work
[11:30] <geogeo> brb
[11:30] <blake> it says install java
[11:31] <blake> and i installed alot of java
[11:31] <blake> idk what i even installed
[11:31] <blake> hellow
[11:31] <calamari> hrm.. I seem to remember something in the linux kernel config about qmagic executables
[11:31] <bob2> calamari: yes, it's part of a.out support
[11:31] <bob2> blake: you don't know what you installed?
[11:32] <bob2> kisain: stop that
[11:32] <blake> lol i installed java
[11:32] <blake> i clicked on alot of java
[11:32] <bob2> "clicked on"? where?
[11:32] <blake> in the package manager
[11:32] <kisain> sorry using a windows icechat :/
[11:33] <kisain> it kept crashing for some stupid reason
[11:33] <kisain> gotta love winsucks :P
[11:33] <kickstand> dammn
[11:33] <kickstand> someone has it
[11:33] <danip> anybody awake?
[11:34] <Seveas> yeah
[11:34] <Burgundavia> daniels, nah, we sleep most of the time. What can we help you wiht?
[11:34] <Seveas> vergeofimpetus, stop changing your name, it's annoying...
[11:34] <danip> ive got kind of an odd problem i think with my flash in firefox
[11:34] <vergeofimpetus> someone has got to get me a p2p that has a lot of people
[11:34] <vergeofimpetus> i'm done
[11:34] <kisain> sorry bob2 crappy irc client bein stupid with haxp
[11:35] <Seveas> vergeofimpetus, you cannot istall java with the package manager
[11:35] <vergeofimpetus> really
[11:35] <danip> on some sites ill get flash appearing but the text never will appear
[11:35] <Seveas> vergeofimpetus, you have to install java-package via the package manager, download the java sdk from sun (a .bin file) and run make-jpkg filename_of_jdk.bin
[11:36] <geogeo> back \o/
[11:36] <geogeo> oh yes, i've missed something, do you know how can I manage the screen brightness ?
[11:37] <Seveas> that's noot a software thing geogeo
[11:37] <kestas> use the buttons on your monitor
[11:37] <geogeo> when in battery mode, the brightness dicreases and I didn't find where to manage it
[11:37] <vergeofimpetus> so just make-jpkg(and then thte filename)
[11:37] <geogeo> yeah, this is apm who manages it
[11:37] <Seveas> on a laptop it's usually the [FN]  key and another key
[11:37] <vergeofimpetus> well i already did one part of that
[11:37] <airox> Anybody knows how to start Enemy Territory in windowed mode ?
[11:37] <geogeo> yeah but when i unplugged
[11:37] <geogeo> the brightness can't be at the same level than in power mode
[11:37] <vergeofimpetus> now i gotta go to the dun website
[11:38] <vergeofimpetus> so what is it that i actually need?
[11:38] <vergeofimpetus> or do you not know
[11:38] <Seveas> geogeo, sounds like a thing you configure in the bioa
[11:38] <geogeo> brightness max is lower in battery mode than in power mode and I can't change it grr
[11:38] <Seveas> bios*
[11:38] <geogeo> ok
[11:38] <zzyber> how can i connect my samsung phone with a pc link serial cable?
[11:38] <geogeo> I'll check it
[11:38] <vergeofimpetus> *sun
[11:38] <danip> what program are you guys using for irc?
[11:38] <vergeofimpetus> xchat
[11:38] <vergeofimpetus> me
[11:39] <Hatred> yea me too
[11:39] <airox> irssi
[11:39] <Hatred> xchat is alright, i had to hack the f*ck out of it to make it look somewhat reasonable though
[11:39] <Hatred> hehe irssi
[11:39] <Seveas> http://192.18.97.134/ECom/EComTicketServlet/BEGIN34FEF30FB118680EF66C5D4E9BA7F964/-2147483648/857998371/1/615302/615170/857998371/2ts+/westCoastFSEND/jdk-1.5.0_03-oth-JPR/jdk-1.5.0_03-oth-JPR:4/jdk-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
[11:39] <qs^chaoticoz> hey... how can i use .rpm files?
[11:39] <Seveas> (that was for vergeofimpetus )
[11:39] <danip> yeah im on xchat but it looks kinda ugly
[11:39] <Seveas> qs^chaoticoz, with alien
[11:39] <airox> qs^chaoticoz: alein
[11:39] <qs^chaoticoz> ;o
[11:39] <kestas> xchat 2?
[11:39] <danip> alied -i
[11:39] <kestas> xchat 2 looks good as any gtk+ app
[11:40] <danip> you can convert it to a .deb package
[11:40] <kestas> better than mirc
[11:40] <Seveas> mirc looks awful compared to xchat imho
[11:40] <qs^chaoticoz> k
[11:40] <qs^chaoticoz> did alien -i filename
[11:40] <Hatred> danip- go into options/text events and change some stuff
[11:40] <qs^chaoticoz> how long should it take? :x
[11:41] <yonil> how come newest firefox update is still 1.0.2 while i've heard there's 1.0.4 already out ?
[11:41] <kestas> ubuntu isnt about having  the latest versions
[11:41] <Burgundavia> yonil, the firefox will always stay at 1.0.2, the security fixes will be backported
[11:42] <vergeofimpetus> damn dude!!! sweet
[11:42] <Seveas> so even though it is 1.0.2, it'll actuallt be 1.0.4
[11:42] <vergeofimpetus> thanks
[11:42] <vergeofimpetus> that was easy
[11:42] <Seveas> :)
[11:42] <gorilla_> yonil, unless there is functionality or bug fixes that you are after in a later version, there is little point upgrading all the time..
[11:42] <vergeofimpetus> has anyone ever seen a woman in here?
[11:42] <vergeofimpetus> just asking
[11:42] <Seveas> yes
[11:42] <Burgundavia> vergeofimpetus, does it matter?
[11:43] <kestas> is it possible to compile a new kernel, and take and install the 1 module you need?
[11:43] <qs^chaoticoz> installing it gave me an error :<
[11:43] <kestas> and leave the rest
[11:43] <kestas> I only need 1 thing
[11:43] <qs^chaoticoz> can anyone help me with installing ati drivers please?
[11:43] <Darksun> I'm a woman. Well, at weekends :P
[11:43] <vergeofimpetus> i'm just asking
[11:43] <resiak> qs^chaoticoz: Look in the wiki, search for binary drivers.
[11:43] <vergeofimpetus> ok
[11:43] <yonil> Burgundavia, ah, but the newest security fixes are out for 1.0.2 too ?
[11:43] <Seveas> kestas, possible: might be, advisable: no
[11:43] <qs^chaoticoz> ok :)
[11:43] <vergeofimpetus> that's for you
[11:43] <Darksun> qs^chaoticoz, backup your X config before changing it though, just in case :P
[11:43] <Burgundavia> yonil, the stuff from 1.0.4 has not yet been backported, unless I am wrong
[11:44] <resiak> vergeofimpetus: I think that you have fallen prey to the believe that people who are into Linux and the like have no friends and are all balding sweaty males who sit in their basements surrounded by the soothing green glow of consoles.
[11:44] <Darksun> Speaking from experience, *cough*
[11:44] <Seveas> res|esc, please do NOT use public away messages in here
[11:44] <Mr_Bone> hey does anybody here use linuxdcpp
[11:44] <yonil> gorilla_, im interested in SVG that is coming with firefox 1.2.0
[11:45] <vergeofimpetus> that's what i thought
[11:45] <Seveas> vergeofimpetus, you could not be more wrong ;)
[11:45] <Past> Hmmh'
[11:45] <calamari> well, I'm tired.. thanks to everyone who helped try to get tasm working :)
[11:45] <DNA`> default 5.04 got problems with totem not running?
[11:45] <Past> ya
[11:46] <Past> Boriing
[11:46] <oppilas> mooi
[11:46] <Seveas> professor tries to explain something :)
[11:46] <Burgundavia> DNA`, not really
[11:46] <Past> Moi
[11:46] <oppilas> haluutko tissii?
[11:46] <Mr_Bone> can you make gaim auto connect to this channel?
[11:46] <Past> lol stfu
[11:46] <Seveas> oppilas, we speak english in here...
[11:46] <Past> no
[11:46] <oppilas> ok
[11:46] <Past> or maybe
[11:46] <DNA`> Burgundavia it doesnt run here, says recourse busy or something :(
[11:46] <oppilas> seveas suck my balls
[11:46] <Burgundavia> DNA`, change to totem-xine
[11:46] <geogeo> back
[11:47] <Seveas> oppilas, watch your language...
[11:47] <Burgundavia> oppilas, please remember the code of conduct
[11:47] <Darksun> That's english, I suppose :P
[11:47] <Mr_Bone> use vlc its the best video player
[11:47] <kisain> wow it worked lol
[11:47] <Past> i just getted new prozessor in my 2fg56z2
[11:47] <DNA`> Burgundavia apt-get install totem-xine ?:)
[11:47] <oppilas> seveas ur dick is small
[11:47] <Past> finnish*
[11:47] <Burgundavia> DNA`, yep
[11:47] <vergeofimpetus> make- jdk-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin
[11:47] <Seveas> Past, stop being annoying
[11:47] <kisain> stupid windows
[11:47] <DNA`> i see :D
[11:47] <resiak> oppilas: Please stop being a fool.
[11:47] <vergeofimpetus> is that right
[11:47] <kestas> say theres a kernel configuration option called CONFIG_IP_NF_MASQUERADE; how would you know what the name of the module it makes would be?
[11:47] <Past> hmmh
[11:47] <vergeofimpetus> seveas: is that right
[11:47] <oppilas> resiak u are female? whit a dick who is 5 cm?
[11:47] <DNA`> I have another problem with reading files on ntfs partitions :(
[11:48] <geogeo> is there anybodi utils to manage radio signal, wireless connection ?
[11:48] <Past> some1 have scripts for rs?
[11:48] <geogeo> working on Gnome..!
[11:48] <Seveas> kestas, with make menuconfig scroll through the net section
[11:48] <DNA`> they look corrupted
[11:48] <geogeo> I've tried a kde utils
[11:48] <Burgundavia> DNA`, corrupted?
[11:48] <Seveas> vergeofimpetus, make-jpkg jdk-....bin
[11:48] <zzyber> i try to mount my phone as ttyS0 but i get "no blockdevice". In a vt100 i get OK when i do atz, what can i do?
[11:48] <kestas> yeah but what would you type as in 'modprobe blabla'
[11:48] <vergeofimpetus> aaaah
[11:48] <vergeofimpetus> ok
[11:48] <kestas> which would load the module created by CONFIG_IP_NF_MASQUERADE
[11:48] <Seveas> kestas, make it builtin :)
[11:48] <DNA`> Burgundavia yes, pictures don't display correctly, and can't play mp3 or ogg from them
[11:48] <kestas> arghh I knew you would say that Seveas
[11:48] <Burgundavia> DNA`, hmm, no idea
[11:48] <oppilas> sevas u got a small dick
[11:49] <oppilas> u know why?
[11:49] <geogeo> interessant..
[11:49] <oppilas> cose ur mother is a bicj
[11:49] <goofrider> we care, how?
[11:49] <oppilas> bich*
[11:49] <resiak> Do we have any ops around here?
[11:49] <geogeo> don't even try to reject your personal problems on the other =] 
[11:49] <DNA`> whats a cose?
[11:49] <geogeo> ignore him reset
[11:49] <geogeo> ignore him..
[11:50] <oppilas> u are a dick face
[11:50] <kisain> such language
[11:50] <Darksun> See, trolls just don't put any effort into trolling anymore
[11:50] <geogeo> let him speak :/
[11:50] <goofrider> Darksun, no kidding
[11:50] <geogeo> ahah
[11:50] <Darksun> I mean, adaquacy was genius, but now we just get these trolls
[11:50] <pisuke> hi. just upgraded firefox and can't bookmark, it says xul error
[11:51] <kisain> Kamping_kaizer ya here?
[11:51] <DNA`> Darksun hahah ;] 
[11:51] <goofrider> whatever happen to good ol' flooding or DDoS?
[11:51] <goofrider> pisuke, which XUL though>
[11:51] <jcarnie> has anyone heard of ubuntu not running the cooling fan on a thinkpad t21 correctly??
[11:51] <DNA`> :D
[11:52] <hinkkari> hi
[11:52] <DNA`> marhaba firas ;)
[11:52] <hinkkari> any scripts for scar 1.12?
[11:52] <pisuke> goofrider:  xml parsing error:syntax error
[11:52] <firas> hi all
[11:52] <goofrider> pisuke, maybe try deleting /home/yourname/.mozilla/firefox?
[11:52] <vergeofimpetus> damn i don't think it's working
[11:52] <goofrider> backup your bookmarks though
[11:53] <firas> as-salaamu alaikum DNA :)
[11:53] <hinkkari> i need scripts for rs!!!
[11:53] <pisuke> goofrider: addBookmark2.xul in chrome
[11:53] <vergeofimpetus> it brings up some options menu
[11:53] <DNA`> wa alaykom firas, where are you from?:D
[11:53] <THEGETTOBLASTERZ> i am the zezima!!!
[11:53] <firas> DNA: kuwait, and yourself ?
[11:53] <Darksun> Aww, tuxracer doesn't work properly :(
[11:53] <hinkkari> every body here can suck own dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:53] <DNA`> firas: lebanon
[11:53] <pisuke> goofrider: I wanted to know if it could be solved without deleting .firefox at home
[11:53] <bad_mongo> how do I uninstall a tar.gz package?
[11:53] <goofrider> pisuke, replace it with a clean copy I suppose
[11:54] <hinkkari> aall of u
[11:54] <THEGETTOBLASTERZ> i want to all of u to die
[11:54] <Darksun> hinkkari, do you think if I could do that I'd be wasting time on IRC?
[11:54] <kisain> whats the best way to partition ubuntu when your dual booting to the same drive?
[11:54] <THEGETTOBLASTERZ> do somebody want to suck my big boobs
[11:54] <kisain> do i use the largest continus free space?
[11:54] <hinkkari> darksun u got a small dick
[11:55] <goofrider> what's with these idiots?
[11:55] <THEGETTOBLASTERZ> darksun is a big shit
[11:55] <desplesda> i don't know, but i think they're hilarious to watch
[11:55] <hinkkari> u niga
[11:55] <Darksun> goofrider, it's the same person
[11:55] <DNA`> heh
[11:55] <vergeofimpetus> seveas: now it's bringing up options menu like it was wrong
[11:55] <kisain> lol
[11:55] <desplesda> :D
[11:55] <Past> hi
[11:55] <firas> goodfrider: too much time on their hands, they probably just learnt how to type on  a keyboard !
[11:55] <goofrider> desplesda, it's not funny. They're not even creative
[11:56] <DNA`> bob2 <3
[11:56] <desplesda> good point goofrider
[11:56] <Bazzi> bob2 M is another clone of him
[11:56] <Bazzi> just in case you want tor emove him ;)
[11:56] <goofrider> pisuke, I can't see to find a clean copy in /usr
[11:56] <firas> bob2: that's better, much appreciated
[11:56] <goofrider> s/see/seem/
[11:56] <kisain> anyone know hwo to get an invidia card working with and onboard vidcard disabled in bios only?
[11:57] <firas> DNA: so how'd u get around to using Linux, is their much of a community their in Lebanon ?
[11:57] <isam> I wanted to ask .. are the APT repositories of Hoary very unactive in terms of updates by mistake, or this is how it is meant to be ?
[11:57] <goofrider> pisuke, I can DCC u mine if u want... don't know if that helps
[11:57] <bob2> isam: it's released, it doesn't change anymore
[11:58] <isam> bob2: :) I liked it more when it was moving
[11:58] <goofrider> isam, u get security updates from hoary-updates though
[11:58] <kisain> bob2 tough morning?
[11:58] <firas> isam: good question, i keep updating everyday with barely any changes
[11:58] <goofrider> and hoary-security
[11:58] <bad_mongo> anyone know how to uninstall a tar.gz package?
[11:58] <goofrider> isam, u like constant moving target? try Gentoo or Fedora
[11:58] <goofrider> LOL
[11:58] <kestas> when you type uname -r and you see linux-2.6.10-5, is the -5 the 'Local version- append to kernel release' option?
[11:59] <goofrider> kestas, that's the Debian revision #
[11:59] <isam> goofrider: but I like ubuntu :p I liked it more moving that's all
[11:59] <Choubaka> kestas: the -5 was given to make-kpkg --revision
[11:59] <kisain> can anyone read this?
[11:59] <DNA`> firas I've been using linux since 1995, we have a small community here that i don't like :P
[11:59] <goofrider> isam, if it's constantly moving that it's hard to keep the release stable. It's a fair trade off
[12:00] <vergeofimpetus> seveas:  the `-j' option requires a positive integral argument
[12:00] <firas> anyone know if it's possible to make a .deb package from a plain source tar.gz file (with no debian config files) ?
[12:01] <kisain> can anyone read this?
[12:01] <vergeofimpetus> read what
[12:01] <kisain> ok
[12:01] <kisain> just checking
[12:01] <kisain> i sked like a question a while back so......
[12:02] <kisain> i assumed it was winsux screwing up the
[12:02] <kisain> irc client
[12:02] <kisain> lol
[12:02] <goofrider> kisain, oh yeah
[12:02] <Darksun> Hmm
[12:02] <goofrider> kisain, if it's diable in BIOS, the OS shouldn't see it
[12:02] <Mr_Smiley> Hi, how would you go about accessing a windows partition on the livecd?
[12:02] <Darksun> Any advice on playing DVD-Video in Ubuntu?
[12:02] <kisain> well the last time i set it up it did :/
[12:03] <kisain> i just forgot how to tell thgecomputer to use the nvidia instead of the onboard
[12:03] <bob2> Darksun: read the FAQ
[12:03] <Darksun> Can't get totem or vlc to work, but they might just need some fiddling
[12:03] <bob2> Darksun: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:03] <kisain> i know how to get and enable the drivers
[12:03] <vdm> how can i set the automake version autogen.sh should use?
[12:03] <kisain> but theres something else to do and i forget :/
[12:03] <Seveas> Mr_Smiley, mount it
[12:04] <goofrider> Darksun, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <kisain> there was a file to edit and i'll be dammed if i can remeber the name lol
[12:04] <goofrider> is that right?
[12:04] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[12:04] <goofrider> kisain, xorg.conf?
[12:04] <kisain> it was a configureation command to detect hardware in recovery mode
[12:04] <kisain> i'll keep that in mind but can't remember
[12:05] <kisain> that means ubuntu is a awsome os if i can't remeber how to set it up :)
[12:05] <kisain> i can do the xp setup with my eyes closed i've had to do it so many time
[12:05] <Seveas> lol kisain :)
[12:05] <goofrider> kisain, discover?
[12:06] <kisain> now it hade something to do with gnome
[12:06] <kisain> it was a rebuild command
[12:06] <kisain> rebuild-grub?
[12:06] <goofrider> dpkg-reconfigure???
[12:07] <kisain> is that a command for detecting hardware?
[12:07] <goofrider> u might as well just use xorgconf
[12:07] <oska> question on audio players if anyone can help - just want an app that plays audio cds that allows me to select which tracks and in which order I want to play them - gnome cd player doesn't have this ability - any suggestions?
[12:07] <goofrider> xorgconfig
[12:07] <firas> oksa: xmms ?
[12:07] <evilgod692> under ubuntu 4.10 how do i mount a windows file share onto /mnt? i'm having problems wit sudo mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.4/Files /mnt/evilgod69/files
[12:07] <resiak> beep-media-player !
[12:07] <kisain> how would i open that in recovery?
[12:08] <goofrider> it doesn't detect hardware i think, but u should be able to pick the driver from a list using xorgconf
[12:08] <goofrider> just type xorgconfig
[12:08] <kisain> ok
[12:08] <goofrider> evilgod692, what is the error?
[12:09] <kisain> it's hard to beleve but my box runs faster with ubuntu
[12:09] <resiak> Compared to?
[12:09] <kisain> xp
[12:09] <oska> firas: tried xmms and didn't seem to have that ability but from the web-surfing I've been doing for last coupla hours dimly remember about some plugin to xmms that might give the option
[12:09] <Mr_Smiley> i've mounted my windows partition in the livecd but i'm getting permission denied seems to be permissions
[12:09] <kisain> dosen't seem as hardware intensive
[12:09] <oska> resiak: seen beep mentioned will research it - thanks
[12:10] <goofrider> oska, amaroK seems to be popular jukebox, it;s for KDE though
[12:10] <evilgod692> goofrider: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.4/Files,
[12:10] <evilgod692>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:10] <goofrider> evane|work, mount -t smbfs -o username=xxxx,password=xxxx //nn.nn.nn.nn/
[12:11] <Darksun> Hmm, I get an error with xine that there's no input plugin to handle dvd:/ MRLs
[12:11] <goofrider> or something like that... check the manpages
[12:11] <kisain> do i need antivirus software?
[12:11] <oska> goof: just installed and uninstalled amarok - didn't work - thanks
[12:11] <kisain> for ubuntu?
[12:11] <Mista_Bone> no
[12:11] <Mista_Bone> no antivirus
[12:11] <kisain> well can't you get viruses?
[12:11] <Burgundavia> kisain, there are no current linux viruses in the wild
[12:11] <Mista_Bone> no
[12:11] <Burgundavia> some exist
[12:11] <Burgundavia> most infect servers
[12:11] <kisain> oh ok
[12:12] <Burgundavia> s/most/mostly
[12:12] <Mista_Bone> there are something like 40 known linux virus's
[12:12] <Darksun> Just use some common sense when downloading files, you should be OK
[12:12] <kisain> i diden't know that
[12:12] <kestas> evilgod692, you need to install smbfs from synaptic to be able to mount smb shares
[12:12] <Mista_Bone> just dont run as root all the time and you wont get infected
[12:12] <goofrider> evilgod692, bad superblock?? u shouldn't get that error if u mount a remote share. it should only happens if u mount local partitions
[12:12] <kisain> i don't know how
[12:12] <kisain> so i'm safe :P
[12:12] <kestas> goofrider, you get the error when you dont have smbfs installed
[12:13] <Mista_Bone> yeah just dont worry abot you wont catch one
[12:13] <goofrider> kisain, there's clmav, if that makes u sleep better
[12:13] <Seveas> clamav even ;)
[12:13] <kisain> thanx
[12:13] <goofrider> i cna't tyoe 4 shiy
[12:13] <kisain> i'll right that down in my notebook
[12:13] <kisain> gotta bad memory it helps lol
[12:13] <goofrider> :)
[12:14] <goofrider> kisain, install a wiki
[12:14] <goofrider> or TomBoy
[12:14] <goofrider> :)
[12:14] <kisain> i just started usin ubuntu this month first linux ever
[12:14] <Mista_Bone> theres where the sticky notes on gdesklets comes in handy :P
[12:14] <kisain> i can't beleve how good it is
[12:14] <goofrider> kisain, u know me niether
[12:15] <Seveas> Mista_Bone, a nice gtk+ frontend to a wiki too ;)
[12:15] <Hatred> lol kisain
[12:15] <Hatred> same ehre
[12:15] <kisain> i can run almost anything i want it's awsome
[12:15] <Seveas> (aka: firefox)
[12:15] <Burgundavia> kisain, you might want to try a program called tomboy
[12:15] <Hatred> i started with mandrake
[12:15] <Hatred> so had a really bad intro to linux
[12:15] <kisain> whats that?
[12:15] <Hatred> mandrake?
[12:15] <Mista_Bone> ubuntu is very good..iam torn between ubuntu and gentoo...not sure which i like best
[12:15] <Seveas> mandrake is another distro
[12:15] <Hatred> it's a joke, that's what it is :p
[12:15] <Mista_Bone> mandrake is shite
[12:15] <incubii> what did you use before hand kisain
[12:15] <goofrider> why Gentoo?  :-/
[12:15] <Burgundavia> kisain, a little desktop note taking program
[12:15] <kisain> i tryed gentoo it's to hard for a newb
[12:15] <Seveas> indeed
[12:16] <kisain> sweet
[12:16] <Seveas> gentoo is for more experienced people
[12:16] <Ashims> joh
[12:16] <Mista_Bone> because gentoo you can customize so much on the install...great package management too
[12:16] <kestas> gentoo package management blows
[12:16] <Hatred> yea gentoo is pretty popular
[12:16] <mischa> hi guys: any of you using enigmail in thunderbird....it doe not ask me for my passphrase and  end with error when trying to decrypt my message. but when i save it as file i can decrypt it ....any idea?
[12:16] <Mista_Bone> plus gentoo boots up fast...ubuntu takes about 2-3 minteus to boot up for me
[12:16] <oska> firas: looks like xmms-cdread is additional package needed with xmms for cd audio playback - thanks for yr suggestion
[12:16] <Ashims> I'm having graphics card installer fun!
[12:16] <Seveas> Mista_Bone, i like good defaults better than great configurability (aka: great ways for newbies to mess up)
[12:16] <Hatred> though in my opinion needlesslyy complicated jsut for desktop use
[12:16] <Ashims> (dont we all love it)
[12:16] <goofrider> Gentoo only makes you FEEL like u'r building the prefect system
[12:16] <Hatred> if you want a good desktop pc distro then go for ubuntu.
[12:16] <kisain> maybe so but way to hard to configure
[12:16] <Seveas> goofrider, nice point :)
[12:17] <Mista_Bone> seveas gentoo is definintly for more experienced linux users
[12:17] <Seveas> makes you FEEL, you give the hard work and see little reward but think you see it :)
[12:17] <goofrider> Gentoo = Linux from Scratch for Dummies
[12:17] <kisain> i don't think it'll mainstream with it bein so hard to install
[12:17] <Darksun> heh, yeah, I went from hating ubuntu to loving it in about an hour
[12:17] <Mista_Bone> i wish ubuntu wouldnt take so long to boot up
[12:17] <kisain> what? i had one hell of a time tryin to install it
[12:17] <Seveas> lol Darksun ;)
[12:17] <Hatred> haha dark
[12:17] <Ashims> anyone advise against binary nvidia drivers in hoary?
[12:17] <goofrider> if u'r gonna do it the hard way, do it right. LFS rox
[12:17] <kisain> nope
[12:17] <kisain> i used them
[12:17] <Ashims> k
[12:17] <mjr> Mista_Bone, try having it in suspend :)
[12:17] <Seveas> Mista_Bone, does starting hotplug sussytem take forever?
[12:17] <kisain> no problems for me :)
[12:17] <Ashims> I heard someone say something like that :p
[12:18] <Mista_Bone> no'
[12:18] <firas> oska: u're welcome, besides didn't do much, just got you thinkin' :)
[12:18] <Ashims> its just... from the repo I'm getting baaaaaaad stability
[12:18] <Mista_Bone> when it says unpacking ubuntu right at the very beginning that takes about 30 seconds
[12:18] <Ashims> just got a 6600 so no doubt I'm gonna have some fun teething issues.
[12:18] <Seveas> Ashims, nvidia drivers in hoary are the latest ones from nvidia
[12:18] <Ashims> -_-'
[12:18] <kisain> i ant screwin with gentoo untill i get my linux for dummies books
[12:18] <Mista_Bone> and configuring network interfaces takes a long time now that i have a wep key for my wireless
[12:18] <goofrider> Mista_Bone, 30 secs to unpack the kernel?
[12:18] <Seveas> Mista_Bone, what kind of cpu/mem do you have?
[12:18] <Mista_Bone> no it unpacks the kerney fast
[12:19] <Mista_Bone> kernel even
[12:19] <goofrider> Mine didn't even take 1 sec, and it's only a 933MHz P3
[12:19] <Mista_Bone> its after that
[12:19] <Mista_Bone> its a p4 mobile 512 ram
[12:19] <Ashims> Seveas: well I get some nice crashing using the nvidia module after a minute or so...
[12:19] <kisain> i'm runin an itell celron 1ghz with 256 mb pc 133 :/
[12:19] <goofrider> Mista_Bone, maybe it has to do with ACPI?
[12:19] <Seveas> Ashims, ouch :/
[12:19] <kisain> i'm swithching to amd soon
[12:19] <Mista_Bone> not sure
[12:19] <Ashims> hmmm... is there any good way of checking your mobo temp? I've never done any temp checking in linux
[12:19] <Ashims> I mean...
[12:19] <Ashims> grafix card temp
[12:19] <Seveas> file a bug please and try to include as much info as possible
[12:19] <kisain> i use gkrellm
[12:20] <Mista_Bone> gkrellm ashims
[12:20] <kisain> lol
[12:20] <Ashims> synaptic?
[12:20] <goofrider> Ashims, r u overcloking?
[12:20] <kisain> yup
[12:20] <Mista_Bone> yes
[12:20] <Ashims> nope
[12:20] <Ashims> k
[12:20] <Ashims> I'm running the nv drivers... but its doing weird things to my screen
[12:20] <Ashims> its put it half off...
[12:20] <kisain> like?
[12:20] <Mista_Bone> too fookin tired to deal with my boot process im off to bed
[12:20] <Seveas> nv drivers aren't the binary drivers from nvidia...
[12:20] <Ashims> and like... you know when the res is to big for the screen and you have to drag your mouse?
[12:21] <goofrider> Mista_Bone, try disabling ACPI at boot.. I'm just guesing though but it's worth a try
[12:21] <Ashims> to move the screen
[12:21] <Darksun> Gnight Mista_Bone
[12:21] <Mista_Bone> alright will try goo
[12:21] <Ashims> its doing that, but just to the bottom corner :p
[12:21] <Seveas> Ashims, nv drivers aren't the binary drivers from nvidia...
[12:21] <Ashims> oh... and its like... 75% pixel width
[12:21] <kisain> no i used a diffrent command and got the ubuntu ones
[12:21] <Ashims> I know
[12:21] <Ashims> :p, I'm using nv because their stable
[12:21] <goofrider> Ashims, hey if nv driver do that, imagine all the funky things that ATI driver can do
[12:21] <goofrider> LMAO
[12:22] <Ashims> just commenting on the weirdness.
[12:22] <kisain> lol
[12:22] <Seveas> goofrider, my ati works fine here :)
[12:22] <Seveas> (fglrx drivers)
[12:22] <kisain> my invidia works fine
[12:22] <goofrider> Seveas, somehow I always hear about ppl complaining about ATI linux drivers
[12:22] <kisain> maybe your cards crotchity
[12:22] <Seveas> goofrider, i hear that to
[12:22] <Seveas> too
[12:22] <Ashims> hahaha
[12:22] <Darksun> My ATI works fine with fglrx.. though I've not tested it much
[12:22] <Ashims> I should turn it on
[12:23] <Seveas> but i have no problems (although: i never use 3d games and the like)
[12:23] <goofrider> that's good to hear
[12:23] <Darksun> I think ATI drivers have improved, but there's still a stigma of them sucking :P
[12:23] <Seveas> :)
[12:23] <goofrider> can't wait to upgrade my desktop
[12:24] <goofrider> hopefully in the summer
[12:24] <Ashims> dont say my cards dodge... dont even dare
[12:24] <Ashims> :p
[12:25] <Ashims> I had a fun day getting the damn thing today
[12:25] <Ashims> ^_^'
[12:25] <goofrider> Ashims, get a new one
[12:25] <Ashims> whatever the problem is, I can fix it
[12:25] <Ashims> *breaks down*
[12:25] <goofrider> it's not like it's a Radoen 990000
[12:25] <goofrider> I'll give u my old Rage3D
[12:26] <kisain> lol
[12:26] <Ashims> heh
[12:26] <Ashims> I've been running a gf2
[12:26] <Ashims> its been fine
[12:26] <Ashims> :)
[12:26] <Ashims> but not good for lannage
[12:26] <Ashims> or hl2age
[12:26] <kisain> i ben runnin a nvidia vanta lt 16mb pci
[12:26] <kisain> lol
[12:26] <goofrider> tnt2?? LMAO
[12:26] <kisain> it runs just peachy with linux
[12:26] <goofrider> shit, my linux box use onboard SiS video
[12:27] <goofrider> :-/
[12:27] <kisain> damnit it's bein a shit
[12:28] <goofrider> **crickets**
[12:28] <Ashims> yoh... how do I get gkrellm to listen to my cards temp
[12:29] <Ashims> or... any temp
[12:29] <Ashims> in my computer
[12:29] <Seveas> read the manual :)
[12:29] <Ashims> *cries*
[12:30] <MuStR> Seveas: what other system monitors are there? I know there is one that isn't stacked, but I forgot the name of it.
[12:30] <goofrider> hey don't feed the trolls and don't pamper the crybabies
[12:30] <MuStR> lol
[12:30] <Seveas> MuStR, dunno, i only use some gdesklets for it
[12:30] <Seveas> lol goofrider ;)
[12:30] <Ashims> what is  lm_sensors
[12:30] <flodine> can someone give me the command to install fluxbox
[12:31] <goofrider> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[12:31] <Seveas> apt-get install fluxbox (if it is in the repos)
[12:31] <Seveas> otherwise download it and do the configure/make/make install dance :)
[12:31] <Hatred> heh
[12:31] <goofrider> Seveas, it's there, maybe in universe
[12:31] <flodine> no theres a diffrent one for a complete install of flux
[12:32] <goofrider> there's only 1 package for fluxbox
[12:32] <goofrider> there's no metapackages for it
[12:32] <Ashims> yay... synaptic loves me.
[12:33] <goofrider> flodine, u can do a `apt-cache search fluxbox` to search the repo
[12:33] <flodine> ive been looking
[12:33] <Ashims> uhm... I suppose I have to reboot after I install lm_sensors or whatever
[12:33] <goofrider> it's linux
[12:33] <goofrider> u don't have to reboot
[12:34] <Ashims> something like... modprobe lm-sensors?
[12:34] <goofrider> if it's a kernel module, then yes
[12:34] <Ashims> *cries* aparently not
[12:34] <Ashims> but I thought it said it was
[12:34] <kisain> whats the command to start the wizard to detect hardware in recovery mode?
[12:34] <Ashims> and now I am confused
[12:34] <kisain> i had to reinstall ubuntu :/
[12:35] <kisain> so i have to get my vid card working again
[12:35] <goofrider> kisain, i think hardware detection is part of debian-installer, might not be installed in the system
[12:35] <kisain> ok
[12:36] <goofrider> kisain, xorgconfig doesn't work?
[12:36] <goofrider> that's what d-i's gonna do anyways, call xorgconfig
[12:36] <kisain> nope
[12:36] <bdmp> I have a question about mounting a hard drive through usb. Meaning how do you do it?
[12:36] <kisain> what would i type just xorgconfig?
[12:37] <goofrider> bdmp, last time i check it just automounts
[12:37] <goofrider> kisain, yes
[12:37] <bdmp> i think I am cursed
[12:37] <mjr> bdmp, it should happen automatically (if you're logged into gnome at least)
[12:37] <goofrider> kisain, u can do that right now
[12:37] <kisain> nope it dosent do northin
[12:37] <bdmp> I am in kubuntu
[12:37] <kisain> it says command not found
[12:37] <Ashims> am I meant to have dri enabled?
[12:37] <bdmp> by auto mount do you mean that an icon appears on the desktop?
[12:38] <goofrider> kisain, hmm... lemme check if it's in a different package
[12:38] <Quazion> bdmp, i think you can check 'dmesg' to see as what scsi device it is registered and the just 'mount /dev/sdxx /media/yourdrivedir'
[12:38] <kisain> kk
[12:38] <bdmp> ok
[12:38] <goofrider> kisain, apt-get install xbase-clients
[12:39] <Ashims> okay... lets see if doing nothing has fixed my card... brb
[12:39] <goofrider> it should be part of the base ubuntu system though, I don't see why u can't run it
[12:39] <goofrider> `/usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig` is the canonical path, try that as well
[12:39] <kisain> ok
[12:40] <goofrider> kisain, xorgconfig can be rather intimidating, google for xorgconfig and xf86config for step-by-step help
[12:40] <goofrider> if u need it, that is
[12:40] <Ottoman> hi
[12:41] <kisain> i remeber doing it through a wizrd in recvery mode
[12:41] <kisain> when i di it the last time
[12:41] <kisain> it was "someting"-grub
[12:41] <goofrider> kisain, grub has nothing to do with xorg
[12:41] <goofrider> grub utils won't configure video drivers
[12:42] <goofrider> i think u misremembered
[12:42] <kisain> gerrrr than what did i use lol
[12:42] <goofrider> kisain, probly debian-installer (which doesn't seem to be installed to the system, it appears to be available at install time)
[12:42] <goofrider> but I can be work
[12:42] <goofrider> wrong**
[12:43] <kisain> damnit could the vidio card have mucked up the install?
[12:43] <goofrider> kisain, xorgconfig is ___the___ configuration tool for x server though
[12:43] <kisain> yea i'm in text
[12:43] <kisain> not in xserver
[12:43] <goofrider> kisain, could be your cat, could be your ex. who knows
[12:44] <kisain> i have to do it from a command prmpt
[12:44] <goofrider> kisain, xorgconfig is a text config tool
[12:44] <bdmp> Quazion: it seems to detect it but in "mount /dev/sdxx /media/yourdrivedir" how do I know what the sdxx location is? and the yourdrivedir is whatever I want it to be, right?
[12:44] <kisain> damn
[12:44] <kisain> i musta goofed
[12:44] <Ashims> *waits for total stallage*
[12:44] <kisain> somehow
[12:44] <goofrider> kisain, well, did u try /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig???
[12:45] <goofrider> sudo it, of course
[12:46] <bdmp> how do you use sudo?  I actually made a root pass because I didn't know how to do that.
[12:46] <kisain> i'll try again later i'm tired right now lol
[12:46] <kisain> so i'ma gonna go take a nap
[12:46] <goofrider> sudo somecommand
[12:46] <goofrider> then enter your normal user password
[12:46] <thenuke> bdmp: or sudo su if you want to have root shell
[12:46] <bad_mongo> is there a calendar plugin for thunderbird?
[12:47] <Burgundavia> bad_mongo, sunbird
[12:47] <bad_mongo> Burgundavia, aha.. thanks
[12:47] <goofrider> but it doesn
[12:47] <Ottoman> can anyone help me get Gnome as the default window manager?
[12:47] <goofrider> but it doesn't have naked ppl like ubuntu-calendar
[12:47] <Ottoman> I screwed it up, and now I get some debian splash screen saying "unsecured session"
[12:47] <saif> hello all, is there s gnome version of k3b?
[12:48] <goofrider> Ottoman, u can use pcik gnome in KDM/GDM and set it as default
[12:48] <fsapo> saif, not a version.. but i m using gnome baker
[12:48] <saif> the cd burning program?
[12:48] <goofrider> u can **just pick**
[12:48] <saif> fsapo,  good ui and functionalities?
[12:48] <fsapo> saif, or you can install the k3b in gnome.. it just need a few libs
[12:48] <Ottoman> goofrider, where do I pick that? can't I just edit some file?
[12:48] <goofrider> saif, there doesn't seem to be a cdburning tool on Gnome as polish as k3b
[12:48] <fsapo> saif, it dont have everything that k3b have.. but it works
[12:49] <goofrider> Ottoman, in "session" usually
[12:49] <saif> fsapo, i remember i tried that once, gave me a lot of trouble, because it must be run as root and bla bla,
[12:49] <fsapo> saif, hum.. i m running it right now.. and it dont need root
[12:49] <saif> fsapo, ok thanks i'll go look for baker now, hope it'll be good enough! :)
[12:50] <saif> fsapo, really? i remember when i first installed ubuntu, i had some trouble, anyways, i'll try! nothin to loose! :)
[12:50] <fsapo> saif, download the new version from the breezy repositories ;)
[12:50] <Ottoman> can't seem to find it
[12:50] <saif> fsapo, the breezy repositories?!? i only have the ubuntu ones and this nermit or somethn like that
[12:50] <fsapo> saif, just change hoary for breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:51] <bdmp> Quazion was helping me with some thing but he might be busy. I said, "bdmp I have a question about mounting a hard drive through usb. Meaning how do you do it? " and he said Quazion bdmp, i think you can check 'dmesg' to see as what scsi device it is registered and the just 'mount /dev/sdxx /media/yourdrivedir'" and I said, "bdmp Quazion: it seems to detect it but in "mount /dev/sdxx /media/yourdrivedir" how do I know what the sdxx location is? and th
[12:51] <bdmp> e yourdrivedir is whatever I want it to be, right?" anybody got some advice?
[12:51] <fsapo> saif, but dont install everything or you system will break
[12:51] <saif> ah, breezy is the new ubuntu! :)
[12:51] <fsapo> saif, just intall gnome-baker and put hoary back there :)
[12:51] <Quazion> bdmp, yourdirvedir must be an existing directory
[12:51] <fsapo> saif, i ve installed some breezy apps.. gaim, gnome-baker, etc
[12:52] <bdmp> what directory
[12:52] <bdmp> ?
[12:52] <saif> fsapo, ok :) i hope i don't fuck everything up
[12:52] <Ottoman> anyone got any idea how to start Gnome at startup?
[12:52] <fsapo> saif, if you just install a single program it will not fuck everything
[12:52] <Quazion> bdmp, doesnt matter any directorty, but normaly you mount under /mnt or /media so just create a new dir for your mounted driver
[12:52] <Quazion> -r
[12:52] <goofrider> bdmp, just make a new one anywhere. preferably in /mnt
[12:52] <fsapo> saif, but if you perform a upgrade.. it certainly will :)
[12:53] <bdmp> ok I can create it I see.
[12:53] <Quazion> bdmp, the xx in sdxx is something like sda1 where a is the first scsi diskdrive and 1 is the first partition
[12:53] <bdmp> What about the sdxx
[12:53] <goofrider> saif, u can put in a request for hoary-backports as well
[12:53] <bdmp> how do I know what that is?
[12:53] <bdmp> ok
[12:54] <bdmp> is it in the /dev folder or /dev/sda?
[12:54] <goofrider> why didn't the kubuntu ppl have automount?
[12:54] <bdmp> what is ppl
[12:54] <bdmp> ?/
[12:54] <Quazion> bdmp, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11637.html this maybe helps :)
[12:54] <goofrider> people
[12:54] <Quazion> bdmp, ppl is sort for people :)
[12:54] <Ottoman> goofrider, I can't find what you were saying
[12:54] <bdmp> ok
[12:55] <goofrider> and sort is sort for short?
[12:55] <goofrider> LMAO
[12:55] <gehel_> hello ! Where should I define env variables ? If I put them in ~/.bash_profile they are not loaded in GnomeTerminal ...
[12:55] <goofrider> Ottoman, regarding....?
[12:55] <Ottoman> I just need Gnome to start when I switch on the computer
[12:55] <Ottoman> instead of xdm
[12:55] <goofrider> oh...
[12:56] <Quazion> goofrider, no that was just a typo ;-)
[12:56] <goofrider> Ottoman, oh, u wanna rid off the xdm/kdm/gdm?
[12:56] <Ottoman> no, I uninstalled alsa and my X wouldnt start
[12:56] <Ottoman> so I installed xdm
[12:56] <goofrider> i don't think that's a good idea. the better thing to do is have kdm/gdm autologin for u
[12:57] <goofrider> but it's still a bad idea
[12:57] <Ottoman> but I'd like my gnome to start up at boot
[12:57] <Ottoman> my sound is fixed tho
[12:57] <goofrider> well, of course u didn't have a "session" option.. u use xdm not kdm/gdm
[12:57] <goofrider> try installing kdm/gdm
[12:57] <Ottoman> I edited /etc/X11/default-display manager, but to no avail
[12:57] <goofrider> which wil give u autologin
[12:57] <Ottoman> will my gnome settings be gone then?
[12:58] <Ottoman> like my icons and such
[12:58] <Ottoman> wallpaper, all those details?
[12:58] <goofrider> Ottoman, no, kdm/gdm is just the display manger (aka the login screen)
[12:58] <goofrider> your desktop environment is independent of kdm/gdm
[12:59] <Ottoman> ok, and when I install gdm via apt-get it'll start when I boot up?
[12:59] <goofrider> yes
[12:59] <Ottoman> great!
[12:59] <goofrider> and gives u a graphical login screen
[12:59] <Ottoman> thanks I'll try it right away
[12:59] <Burgundavia> goofrider, you the same on the forums?
[12:59] <goofrider> yes
[12:59] <goofrider> why?
[12:59] <goofrider> did i piss u off?
[12:59] <goofrider> *8hides**
[12:59] <Burgundavia> goofrider, no, am looking at your package requests
[12:59] <goofrider> hey ppl know me.. that's kewl
[12:59] <goofrider> which one?
[12:59] <goofrider> oh the breezy ones
[01:00] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=161168&postcount=54
[01:00] <goofrider> hmm... I thought I was being selfish actually, so I'm working on packaging gnochm myself
[01:00] <goofrider> stilll working on it.. pretty new to this packaging/linux stuff
[01:00] <Ottoman> reboot
[01:00] <Choubaka> :)
[01:01] <Choubaka> Making debian packages is quite easy actually.
[01:01] <goofrider> Burgundavia, anyways, did u have an opinion about my request(s)?
[01:01] <Burgundavia> goofrider, no, I am getting you a page so that the devs might actuallly se them
[01:01] <goofrider> Choubaka, not to someone who only knows how to do ./configure ; make install
[01:01] <goofrider> Burgundavia, thanks, u'r too kind
[01:01] <Choubaka> goofrider: heh :P
[01:02] <goofrider> Burgundavia, I'll try to learn and contribute as well though
[01:02] <goofrider> I hate Makefiles
[01:02] <Burgundavia> goofrider, join #ubuntu-motu
[01:02] <goofrider> thank god gnochm uses python-distutils
[01:02] <goofrider> Burgundavia, I am  in that channel
[01:04] <Ottoman> goofrider, thank you, everything is back to normal :)
[01:05] <goofrider> Ottoman, my pleasure  :)
[01:07] <bdmp> goofrider Quazion: I can't find the sdxx location.
[01:08] <goofrider> did u try checking /var/lof/dmesg????
[01:08] <goofrider> /var/log/demsg
[01:08] <bdmp> i did dmesg
[01:08] <bdmp> but i don't know where to look for it
[01:09] <goofrider> hmmm... syslog and kernel log as well?
[01:09] <goofrider> how about this?
[01:09] <bdmp> can i print it out for you on another channel?
[01:09] <goofrider> grep '/dev/sd' /var/log/*
[01:11] <bdmp> it says creating sda1. does that mean I have to do that everytime I add a usb thing
[01:11] <bdmp> ?
[01:11] <goofrider> i think there's ought to be an automount tool
[01:11] <goofrider> u can put it in your fstab if u want
[01:12] <goofrider> but it might not work if u have more that one usb/flash/firewire drive because the enumeration will be different
[01:12] <goofrider> so lemme see if i can find where the automount tool is
[01:13] <concept10> goofrider: http://www.debian-administration.org/?printable=127
[01:13] <bdmp> ok.  I can't mount it. when I did the command you gave me it said creating sda1 but when I try it with that it says "special device /dev/sda1/ does not exist
[01:13] <bdmp> "
[01:14] <Ashims> (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[01:14] <Ashims> that was one of my crashes
[01:14] <goofrider> bdmp, read that link concept10 just shared
[01:15] <goofrider> bdmp, try ubuntuguide.org and ubuntuforums.org as well, I'm sure it's a common problem
[01:15] <Ashims> and... (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x0000b978, 0x0000d864, 1)
[01:15] <Ashims> that was the other one I got
[01:15] <Ashims> :)
[01:15] <concept10> That link contains a great article for automounting, etc.  Its written for debian but Im sure you can relate it to your situation
[01:16] <Ashims> oh... and nv seems to be doing fine now... I think it was because I added some strange resolutions when I did a dpkg reconf
[01:16] <goofrider> bdmp, that's is a gr8 howto on automounting
[01:16] <goofrider> thanks for sharing
[01:16] <goofrider> concept10,
[01:16] <bdmp> thank you, I think i have to get it to moutnt manually first to see how to set it up
[01:16] <bdmp> I can;t get it to work yet
[01:17] <bdmp> I see no sdax or anything like that
[01:18] <Ashims> aparently apm is obsolete anyway, and its just a warning that likes to appear
[01:18] <goofrider> apm is sooooo 1997
[01:18] <concept10> bdmp: what are you attempting to do?
[01:19] <bdmp> mount a usb hard drive
[01:19] <concept10> is it attached?
[01:19] <bdmp> they gave me some commands but i don't know what they mean so i don't know how to interpret the output
[01:19] <bdmp> yeah
[01:19] <bdmp> it is
[01:19] <Ashims> usb hdd usually mounts itself...
[01:20] <goofrider> concept10, I told him to grep /dev/sd /car/log/*
[01:20] <bdmp> can I send a message to you showiing you what it said
[01:20] <Ashims> hows she formatted?
[01:20] <goofrider> and it said creating /dev/sda1 but no response
[01:20] <bdmp> fat32
[01:20] <concept10> Sometimes they do, sometimes not - its realluy shaky
[01:20] <goofrider> Ashims, hey's on kubuntu
[01:21] <goofrider> not sure if kunutu has automount configured
[01:21] <concept10> this is what I would do, I would disconnect it, then run tail /var/log/messages, it will show up there and tell you the device node
[01:21] <fsapo> hi there.. if i burn a rock ridge DVD can i read it in windows?
[01:21] <Ashims> ah
[01:21] <concept10> it should show up there after you connect it
[01:22] <concept10> tail -f /var/log/messages
[01:22] <Ashims> still... it'd not automount anyway if it was a fs that wasn't supported
[01:22] <goofrider> Ashims, good point
[01:23] <concept10> fat32 is supported in the kernel already
[01:23] <bdmp> i tried to make a dir in media or mnt but it wouldn't let me so I made a directory in my home dir. then i tried  to mount it and got this root@chibi:/home/bdmp # mount /dev/sda1/ /home/bdmp/120baby
[01:23] <bdmp> mount: special device /dev/sda1/ does not exist
[01:23] <bdmp>        (a path prefix is not a directory)
[01:23] <Ashims> so its fat32, and not ntfs or something
[01:23] <Ashims> ;P
[01:23] <bdmp> fat32
[01:23] <Ashims> get rid of the trailing /
[01:23] <Ashims> sda1 is a "file"
[01:23] <bdmp> whats the trailing
[01:23] <Ashims> (some sort of device alias
[01:23] <Ashims> )
[01:24] <Ashims> the end /
[01:24] <goofrider> /dev/sda1
[01:24] <goofrider> just that
[01:24] <Ashims> its trying to call it a directory
[01:24] <Ashims> instead of a file
[01:24] <bdmp> i am not following
[01:24] <Ashims> or rather, trying to *find a directory
[01:24] <goofrider> mount /dev/sda1 /home/bdmp/120baby
[01:24] <goofrider>              ^
[01:25] <concept10> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/external
[01:25] <Ashims> not /mount/dev/sda1/ /home/bdmp/120baby
[01:25] <concept10> thats how I mount my drive
[01:25] <bdmp> i think that worked  goofrider
[01:25] <goofrider> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /home/bdmp/120baby
[01:25] <goofrider> LOL
[01:25] <Ashims> :)
[01:25] <Ashims> see
[01:25] <goofrider> bdmp, nah, thank concept10
[01:25] <bdmp> wait
[01:25] <goofrider> i think he got it nailed
[01:25] <fsapo> i ve found a bug in an app where should i report it?
[01:26] <Ashims> bdmp... for reference... most of the stuff in /dev is sort of... device alias'
[01:26] <goofrider> buzilla.ubuntulinx.org?
[01:26] <bdmp> it didn't say it didn't work. so where can i get in the file system
[01:26] <fsapo> goofrider, thanx
[01:26] <Ashims> /home/bdmp/120baby
[01:26] <goofrider> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:26] <bdmp> cool
[01:26] <ivoks> fsapo applications, system, bug report
[01:26] <goofrider> please do a search first in case it's already reported
[01:26] <Burgundavia> fsapo, what program?
[01:26] <bdmp> kaching!
[01:27] <bdmp> thanks
[01:27] <Ashims> :)
[01:27] <concept10> bdmp: did you get it working
[01:27] <fsapo> Burgundavia, gnome-baker from the new breezy rep
[01:27] <Burgundavia> fsapo, that goes in malone
[01:27] <ivoks> fsapo ?
[01:27] <goofrider> fsapo, wait.. but didn't u install it in hoary?
[01:27] <ivoks> fsapo what's wrong?
[01:27] <fsapo> hum.. i ve installed it
[01:27] <fsapo> and it had 2 new options
[01:27] <Burgundavia> fsapo, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:27] <fsapo> rock ridge and joilet
[01:27] <concept10> I tried the kubuntu live cd yesterday and it automounted the my drive
[01:27] <fsapo> as i m stupi.. i ve selected both
[01:28] <fsapo> it crashed and i lost a dvd-r
[01:28] <goofrider> ROTFL
[01:28] <fsapo> it shouldnt be possible to select both
[01:28] <bdmp> yeah thanks alot!
[01:28] <Ashims> haha
[01:28] <goofrider> bdmp, cheers
[01:28] <Ashims> two is better-- right?
[01:28] <Ashims> :p
[01:28] <fsapo> :P
[01:29] <goofrider> fsapo, did u find the ANY key as well?
[01:29] <fsapo> goofrider, any?
[01:29] <goofrider> sorry
[01:29] <Ashims> so... someone tell me how to fix my grafix drivers!
[01:29] <Ashims> go to nvidia, kill the staff, steal the source, open it, and rewrite it yourself you say?
[01:29] <goofrider> Ashims, did u try kicking your computer?
[01:30] <Ashims> several times goofrider
[01:30] <bdmp> When I installed it made the file type ext3. Will that cause network problems with windows?
[01:30] <Ashims> it's increased the stability, but not fixed the problem
[01:30] <Ashims> :p
[01:30] <ivoks> Ashims nvidia works fine on ubuntu
[01:30] <goofrider> what was the problem again?
[01:30] <goofrider> not that i'd have a fix anyways, but I like listening to other ppl's misery
[01:30] <Ashims> ummm... it crashes after a minute of using the nvidia drivers ^_^'
[01:31] <Ashims> actually... if I switch to the nvidia driver, then open nvidia-settings will I be able to down the clock speed?
[01:31] <goofrider> which driver, specifically?
[01:31] <Ashims> I read somewhere that 400 worked better than the default 425
[01:31] <Ashims> uh
[01:31] <Ashims> latest
[01:31] <Ashims> 7...something...
[01:32] <goofrider> Ashims, i'd check the forums if I were u
[01:32] <fsapo> btw.. can a windows machine read a rock ridge format dvd?
[01:32] <fsapo> i dont have windows so i cant test it O_o
[01:32] <goofrider> fsapo, I think so
[01:32] <Darksun> Hmm, interesting!
[01:33] <Darksun> cat /dev/hda > /dev/audio
[01:33] <goofrider> fsapo, with 8.3 ISO 9960 filenames though
[01:33] <goofrider> as far as I know
[01:33] <Ashims> I lived on the nv news forums a while back when I was fixing my gf2
[01:33] <fsapo> hum..
[01:33] <Ashims> but...
[01:33] <Ashims> I dunno... its not a lot of help
[01:34] <goofrider> fsapo, http://cdrfaq.org/ http://dvdhelp.com/ and http://forums.doom9.org/ are good reources for CDR issues
[01:34] <goofrider> fsapo, oh and hydrogenaudio.org as well
[01:34] <goofrider> Ashims, I meant ubuntuforums.org
[01:35] <fsapo> goofrider, thanx, i ve searched in google, but it just said that rock ridge is a linux system and joilet is windows.. but i m not sure if i can or cant read a rock ridge in windows :p
[01:35] <Ashims> ah
[01:35] <Ashims> yeah
[01:35] <goofrider> fsapo, Windows will burn an ISO 9960 file system overlay on Joilet disc
[01:35] <Ashims> I live there too these days
[01:35] <Ashims> havent found much to help yet tho
[01:35] <goofrider> and linux would also burn a ISO 9660 file system on rock ridge disk
[01:36] <fsapo> goofrider, hum...
[01:36] <goofrider> it's a file system overlay
[01:36] <goofrider> joilet and rock ridge are both ISO 9960 "extensions"
[01:36] <fsapo> hum
[01:36] <goofrider> so there still has to be a ISO 9960 file system underneath it
[01:37] <goofrider> the extended file system just maps to the underlying ISO 9960 file system
[01:37] <goofrider> like how VAT long filenames on top of 8.3 FAT
[01:37] <goofrider> VFAT***
[01:37] <fsapo> hmm... so windows can read it..
[01:38] <Ashims> hrmmm... I'l bbs... gonna try this throttling down the clock freq
[01:38] <goofrider> yes, but only the ISO 9960 filenames
[01:38] <goofrider> either 8.3 or 31 char
[01:38] <fsapo> thats not a problem ;)
[01:38] <goofrider> depends on how u burned it
[01:38] <fsapo> burned with iso level 2
[01:38] <fsapo> is 31 char i think
[01:38] <goofrider> that's the best of my understanding of the isse
[01:39] <fsapo> hehe.. thanx :)
[01:39] <goofrider> np
[01:39] <fsapo> lol.. k3b scared me
[01:39] <goofrider> I used to spent a lot of time figuring out how to fix the joilet 64 char filename limits
[01:40] <goofrider> so I knew way too much about CDFS
[01:40] <fsapo> ust burned i dvd, and when checking for erros it just gave me a big ERROR written in red :(
[01:40] <fsapo> but it was cause of the joilet haha
[01:41] <goofrider> yeah... MS and their half-ass file systems
[01:41] <goofrider> who want to hear a story?
[01:41] <fsapo> hehehe
[01:41] <fsapo> just tell it.. :)
[01:41] <Darksun> goofrider, does it involve a robot called Rod?
[01:41] <goofrider> so u guys know about the delay write errors with external firewire drives on XP?
[01:42] <goofrider> anyways, sometimes delay write fails and the disk need to be remounted
[01:42] <goofrider> maybe one or two corrupted files, big deal
[01:42] <goofrider> but.. on MY firewire drive, the file it corrupted was... ahem.. $MFT and $SECURE
[01:42] <goofrider> so I lost the whole damn filesystem
[01:43] <rj-> nice
[01:43] <Aemaeth> sweet
[01:43] <fsapo> lol.. thats really a M$ error :)
[01:43] <goofrider> I recovered all the data, reformatted, put the data back on, guess what, it happened AGAIN
[01:43] <bdmp> anybody here ever synced a pocket pc with linux?
[01:43] <goofrider> the firewire delay write issue is a KNOWN BUG too
[01:43] <rj-> prelinking a entrie file system is a bad idea -- for me anyway.
[01:44] <goofrider> rj-, it's an external drive. it's not prelinked
[01:44] <rj-> goofrider: oh -- wasnt talking about your drive -- talking about mine.
[01:44] <rj-> goofrider: i just un-prelinked -- trying to debug some problems in breezy
[01:44] <rj-> :/!
[01:45] <goofrider> what's even worst idea? System restore is on by default on all drives (including external ones), so my external drive gets WRITTEN as soon as I plug it in
[01:45] <bdmp> Anybody ever set up Japanese languge input?
[01:46] <goofrider> add the delay write bug, as out comes a stack of file corruption for just PLUGGING IN the drive
[01:46] <goofrider> bdmp, there's a CJK input on ubuntuguide.org I think
[01:47] <goofrider> CJK input** tutorial***
[01:47] <goofrider> anyways </rant>
[01:47] <bdmp> cool thanks
[01:47] <goofrider> or 'tnar' in BASH i suppose
[01:48] <fsapo> goofrider, have you ever tried to run gmailfs on ubuntu?
[01:48] <goofrider> fsapo, not yet. I have enough crap on my gmail acct already
[01:48] <goofrider> LOL
[01:49] <goofrider> fsapo, y do u ask?
[01:49] <rapha> Hi all!
[01:49] <rapha> Is it possible, to programatically have a key ("Enter", for example) pressed in X?
[01:49] <fsapo> goofrider, cause i ve tried here and it doesnt work :(
[01:50] <goofrider> hmm... is it packged in universe?
[01:50] <fsapo> goofrider, yes it is...
[01:50] <fsapo> goofrider, it just give me an error when trying to mount
[01:50] <goofrider> fsapo, u do realize that it uses FUSE right?
[01:50] <fsapo> goofrider, fuse?
[01:50] <goofrider> which requires fuse userland utils and a kernel module
[01:51] <fsapo> goofrider, hum.. i ll give it a try again someday hehe
[01:51] <goofrider> sudo apt-get install fuse-utils fuse-source
[01:52] <fsapo> goofrider, now i m really trying to find a solution to backup my emails in mozilla-thunderbird to gmail.. but i cant find any
[01:52] <goofrider> then compile and install the kernel module by `sudo m-a a-i fuse`  (I think)
[01:53] <goofrider> fsapo, have u think of using some mbox util + procmail to forward everything to gmail over SMTP?
[01:53] <goofrider> Thunderbird just use mbox files I think, should be pretty easy to hack something together
[01:53] <fsapo> goofrider, i dont understando about those e-mail stuff :(
[01:53] <goofrider> if there isn't so tools that already does all that for u
[01:54] <goofrider> fsapo, the idea is have a tool to read all the email in Thunderbird's data files (called mbox) and forward all of them to your gmail address
[01:54] <fsapo> goofrider, hum...
[01:54] <goofrider> it's pretty crude idea
[01:55] <goofrider> but so is gmailfs for backup up your thunderbird email
[01:55] <goofrider> I'd just use IMAP
[01:55] <goofrider> fsapo, I use http;//fastmail.fm/
[01:56] <goofrider> free/paid IMAP accounts
[01:56] <fsapo> goofrider, the ideia is like.. forward the e-mails to gmail
[01:56] <goofrider> accessible anywhere, u can check your email with Thunderbird anywhere u want and leave your email on the server
[01:56] <goofrider> fsapo, that's what the mbox forward idea was
[01:57] <fsapo> goofrider, yes... but i dont really know how all these stuff works :(
[01:57] <goofrider> i don't have the specifics either, try google
[01:57] <goofrider> i'll get u some pointers though
[01:58] <goofrider> fsapo, wait... what do u use Thunderbird for?
[01:58] <goofrider> what mail accounts are u checking? local mail?
[01:59] <ivoks> where?
[01:59] <fsapo> goofrider, i m checking mail for pop accounts.. i have 3 accounts.. i wanted to foward everything to gamil.. as a backup
[02:01] <drummer> hey.. i've got a problem..... gimp keeps crashing on me when i try to copy
[02:01] <drummer> is there a log anywhere i can look at.. or anyone have other ideas
[02:01] <goofrider> fsapo, all I can tell u is, u can try to parse the indivdual mail from Thunderbird's mbox files, and forward all of them to gmail. but that kinda a bad idea cuz u'r forward EVERYTHING in Thunderbord everytime u do that, end up with lots of duplicates
[02:02] <orty> hi when i boot ubuntu after installation it frezzes after hotplug somebody have a idea what i must do
[02:02] <goofrider> drummer, `sudo grep -R gimp /var/log/*"
[02:03] <fsapo> goofrider, hum...
[02:03] <goofrider> fsapo, i think the more sensible solution is use fetchmail to fetch your POP3 mail and deliver them to your local mailbox and gmail acct at the same time
[02:04] <goofrider> then just use Thunderbird to check the local mailbox (which all 3 of your POP acct would be delivered to)
[02:04] <goofrider> orty, I heard the hotplugging issue a lot
[02:04] <orty> somebody have a idea what i must do that ubuntu boot by me
[02:05] <goofrider> orty, lemme check
[02:05] <thenuke> 9
[02:05] <goofrider> fsapo, read the doco about fetchmail. it's very popular
[02:06] <capi> I'm having trouble sending mail upstream on Ubuntu server install using sendmail. I type `$ mail me@adress.com' and then fill out the rest, but I don't get it at my address. Do I have to edit the mail server config or something?
[02:06] <fsapo> goofrider, ok, i ll take a look, :D
[02:06] <ivoks> capi did you configure it?
[02:07] <ivoks> capi did you set up your sendmail to use relayhost?
[02:07] <goofrider> orty, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29589&highlight=hotplug+hang
[02:08] <capi> ivoks, no, I haven't touched anything on the mail config. I've never set up a mail server before, so I'm a fish in cold water.
[02:08] <goofrider> orty, u should boot into recovery mode and check /var/log/messages for errors, ACPI or APM can be the problem, and many other thingsd. search the forum. it's a pretty common problem
[02:09] <Ericf> I try to log in to an ftp-server with the username 'wap.squishy.nl'. In terminal mode this goes fine, but when trying to do it with nautilus it says 'Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "ftp: www.squishy.nl".'. Loggin in to another server, with a name without dots, works fine. Could it be that nautilus has a problem with the dotted name?
[02:09] <Ericf> Can anyone test logging in to an ftp server with nautilus with a dotted login-name?
[02:09] <ivoks> capi uh...
[02:10] <goofrider> Ericf,  it's connecting to ftp://www.squishy.nl/, not using it as the username
[02:10] <ivoks> capi then you should check out some howto's and stuff...
[02:10] <Ericf> goofrider: so it's ignoring the username!
[02:10] <ivoks> capi postfix will be easier for you... IMHO, postfix is better then sendmail
[02:10] <goofrider> Ericf, use Places-> connect to server
[02:10] <pef> hello
[02:11] <goofrider> Ericf, or ftp://username:password@www.squishy.nl/
[02:11] <capi> ivoks, could you recomend some, or something I should google for. I'd search but I'm not sure what my `ultimate question' is.
[02:11] <ivoks> capi do apt-get install postfix
[02:11] <ivoks> capi it will ask you what kind of a server you are going to setup
[02:11] <goofrider> capi, Postfix is much simpler to config
[02:11] <ivoks> capi choose internet with smarthost
[02:11] <goofrider> I <3 Postfix
[02:12] <Ericf> goofrider: It does not work; I think I'll file a bug.
[02:12] <bdmp> Hi, I have a video question.  I am watching a .avi file in Kaffiene.  There are the black bars at the top and the bottom like a widescreen movie. There is a flickering right where the bottom black line meets the video. Any way to fix that?
[02:12] <ivoks> capi then just follow instuctions
[02:12] <goofrider> Ericf, did u try Places->connect to server as well?
[02:12] <capi> ivoks, doesn't postfix run on top of sendmail? So wouldn't I still need to get sendmail working. It's a dev server. I just need a mailserver so I can fully test my scipts. What is smarthost?
[02:12] <goofrider> Postfix replaces SendMail
[02:12] <Ericf> goofrider: yes, with and without the :password
[02:12] <goofrider> they do not share any code
[02:12] <ivoks> capi no... postfix is another mail server
[02:13] <capi> ivoks, okay, what is smarthost?
[02:13] <Ericf> but apparently it keeps ignoring the username
[02:13] <goofrider> Postfix comes witha sendmail command for compatibility thouhg
[02:13] <ivoks> capi that your ISP's mail server
[02:13] <goofrider> Ericf, and Gftp works too, right?
[02:14] <Ericf> goofrider, I'll try it
[02:14] <Ericf> goofrider: at least command-line ftp worked, is that enough?
[02:14] <ivoks> capi idea is that you write email, send it to your MTA (postfix, sendmail, exim, whatever...) and it then relays mail to ISP
[02:14] <goofrider> true.
[02:15] <ivoks> capi ISP then sends mail to the target
[02:15] <goofrider> Ericf, file ahead. I'm not the boss.  :) just make sure u search bugzilla for dupes
[02:15] <goofrider> I've file a number of useless bugs myself
[02:15] <goofrider> LOL
[02:16] <WW> Hello, world.
[02:16] <Ericf> goofrider: of course ;)
[02:16] <goofrider> WW, unexpected token at ,
[02:18] <WW> off-topic and ignorant question: Some software (e.g. OpenOffice) anticipates words as you type.  Often times it even gets is right.  How do I "accept" the text when it is correct?  Is there some secret key to hit? (Tab doesn't work.)
[02:18] <WW> s/is right/it right/
[02:18] <goofrider> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[02:18] <goofrider> j/k
[02:18] <capi> ivoks, I have postfix installed, how do I turn smarthost on? A config file?
[02:18] <Raskall> ahh.. Springtime. 1700/512 wireless access to the internet from my courtyard. my daugher sleeping in her stroller and my dog sniffing around all over while I happily surfs the net.. *sigh* Life's good.
[02:18] <ivoks> capi /etc/postfix/main.cf
[02:19] <ivoks> capi relayhost
[02:20] <capi> ivoks, what do I want to enter for the relayhost value, right now it is blank
[02:20] <k31th> if i had sausage and chips two days in a row would i be a bad person
[02:20] <goofrider> Raskall, sounds like a good life.. as long as u know where your wife is
[02:20] <Raskall> ahh.. I forgot: music streaming through gnump3d on my server.
[02:20] <WW> (I feel so 'eighties asking that question, by the way.)
[02:20] <Raskall> goofrider: she's asleep in our bed. :)
[02:20] <k31th> johng: should i eat sausage and chips again
[02:21] <goofrider> WW, and if I had an answer, I'd give it to u
[02:21] <ivoks> capi smtp server of your ISP
[02:21] <goofrider> WW,i can't quite figure out what u mean.. u mean in the file open dialog boxes?
[02:21] <goofrider> k31th, sagauge and chips? that's NASTY
[02:21] <goofrider> lol
[02:22] <goofrider> breakfast of champions
[02:22] <goofrider> WW, I don't think we had type-ahead in the 80s anyways
[02:23] <WW> goofrider: No, just while typing text in my document.  For example, if I type "Mon", the OO guesses that the word is "Monday" and fills in "day" automatically.
[02:23] <goofrider> so u can't be THAT far behind
[02:23] <WW> Exactly, that's why I feel old.  Kids these days just *know* this stuff.
[02:23] <goofrider> Ww,[enter] ?
[02:23] <goofrider> Enter seems to work
[02:24] <goofrider> u mean u haven't even tried the [Enter]  key b4 u come in here?
[02:24] <WW> goofrider: Enter. Well, who'da thunk it.  Thanks.
[02:24] <thisfred> goofrider: WW means autocompletion I think. Most useful in code-editors. Rarely is it implemented so that it is more useful than annoying (one reason offen being that there's no keyboard schortcut to accept) The most horrible example of this is text messaging on mobile phones/
[02:24] <RudiLinux> Hi all. I have one question: how i disable keyboard preferences for user in gnome panel applet Keyboard indicator?
[02:25] <ivoks> RudiLinux kill the exec bit on that program
[02:25] <k31th> goofrider: not ansty its lusj :p
[02:25] <goofrider> thisfred, well, usually tab completes it
[02:25] <ivoks> RudiLinux and on setxkbmap
[02:25] <goofrider> Enter for autocomplete is kinda conterinituitve
[02:26] <fgr> hi all, what's the correct way to set locale to work with Farsi? what packages do i need?
[02:26] <thisfred> goofrider, it should, or enter indeed, but you'd be surprised how often it doesn't. I now like it better to have an explicit autocomplete key, that can cycle through the options. Less waiting involved, at least perceived.
[02:28] <ivoks> \sh this all should be..what?
[02:29] <WW> Have a nice day, world.
[02:29] <goofrider> fgr, `suo apt-get install language-support-fa`???
[02:29] <goofrider> fgr, `sudo apt-get install language-support-fa`???
[02:29] <capi> How do I send mail with Postfix? Is it the same as sendmail or do i need to use a different command?
[02:30] <goofrider> capi, Postfix has a sendmail command
[02:31] <goofrider> ok maybe this is a good time for me to go whack off
[02:32] <capi> so `sendmail sender@send.com me@otheraddress.com' type message then press control-D?
[02:34] <goofrider> no
[02:34] <goofrider> sendmail -f my@address.com theotherperson@where.com
[02:34] <goofrider> -f for the 'from' address
[02:35] <fgr> goofrider, not workin correctly in firefox
[02:35] <goofrider> capi, read the manpages for more options  :)
[02:35] <goofrider> fgr, u'll have to remind me what your problem was
[02:35] <goofrider> oh locale
[02:35] <goofrider> i think Firefox use its own locale files
[02:36] <goofrider> farsi is hungarian right?
[02:36] <goofrider> pardon my ignorance
[02:37] <fgr> goofrider, no, it is the iranian lang
[02:37] <goofrider> lol
[02:37] <goofrider> slap myself
[02:37] <fgr> :-)
[02:38] <goofrider> i don't see a farsi language pack for firefox
[02:38] <evilgod692> yay, my first package dependancy issue... ubuntu 4.10 acroread...
[02:38] <goofrider> it ight be bundled with another language though
[02:39] <goofrider> short of making a fool of myself again, try `apt-cache search mozilla-firefox-locale` and see if anyone suits your need
[02:39] <goofrider> evilgod692, what's unmet?
[02:40] <goofrider> u know I really want to go whack off at some point
[02:40] <evilgod692> goofrider: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be install
[02:40] <evilgod692> goofrider: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1.1 is to be insta
[02:40] <evilgod692> goofrider: and libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1) but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be insta
[02:41] <goofrider> evilgod692, which acroread r u using?
[02:41] <evilgod692> goofrider: trying to use apt-get to install acroread
[02:41] <goofrider> if it's in warty universe it should depends on warty libs
[02:42] <goofrider> evilgod692, u might wan't to file a bug report
[02:42] <evilgod692> it's 4.10 of ubuntu... would they care?
[02:42] <goofrider> evilgod692, u can also try to go apt-get -f install acroread and force the install
[02:42] <evilgod692> sweet, i'll give that a try
[02:42] <goofrider> evilgod692, each release is supported for 18 months I think
[02:43] <goofrider> evilgod692, check apt-get's manpage for more --force optionas
[02:44] <goofrider> fgr, did u find a firefox language pack that u can use?
[02:45] <k4rp0r> just gott the ubuntu linux and working fucking well :D
[02:45] <goofrider> thank god, not another question
[02:45] <goofrider> j/k
[02:45] <k4rp0r> :D
[02:45] <goofrider> it's only my 2nd day in this channel, it feels like a full time job already
[02:47] <k4rp0r> k
[02:50] <kestas> I got networking working in pearpc :)
[02:51] <kestas> <a href="http://img79.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot9qa.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://img79.echo.cx/img79/5581/screenshot9qa.th.png" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a>
[02:51] <kestas> that was 2 hours well spent
[02:52] <kev0r> http://www.zooass.com/games/neverland/neverland.swf
[02:52] <Myrtti> I'd like to listen to some midis. Any easy way of doing it? I've downloaded several midiplayers.
[02:52] <qs^chaoticoz> hey guys :>
[02:52] <qs^chaoticoz> whats a good DVD player for ubuntu?
[02:52] <Myrtti> bad idea to use irc as root :->
[02:52] <Myrtti> bad idea to log in on the computer as root :->
[02:53] <Myrtti> hope you haven't :-)
[02:53] <kestas> Myrtti, you talking to me?
[02:53] <kev0r> idd qs^chaoticoz only use root if you wanna change a setting
[02:53] <kestas> nm
[02:53] <qs^chaoticoz> i am not logged in as root atm
[02:53] <qs^chaoticoz> ;o
[02:53] <kev0r> only running irc as r00t :)
[02:53] <qs^chaoticoz> wtf
[02:53] <qs^chaoticoz> ;o
[02:53] <Myrtti> indeed
[02:54] <kev0r> let's tackel his stack
[02:54] <qs^chaoticoz> D:
[02:54] <kev0r> hehe smart move ;)
[02:55] <kestas> is there any way to convert a hard disk to reiserfs from ext2?
[02:55] <cha0s> you were right lol
[02:55] <kestas> this 2gb limit is getting on my nerves
[02:55] <cha0s> i was actually logged in as root :x
[02:55] <cha0s> anyway..
[02:55] <cha0s> whats a good DVD player for ubuntu?
[02:55] <yccheok_> where is the dos2unix utilities in ubuntu?
[02:57] <cha0s> and why cant i start the totem player? it says something like 'resource in use'
[02:57] <yccheok_> cha0s: Mplayer
[02:59] <paul_> im having a problem opening some items, like i can not open or install the updates. any ideas?
[02:59] <cha0s> you got a link for me pls yccheok_ ?
[03:00] <bdmp> hi, I am trying to install a deb that is a fix for a buggy Kaffeine with a dpkg -i command but I get this "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[03:00] <bdmp> " any suggestions?
[03:00] <snader> do you have synaptic running or something?
[03:00] <bdmp> yup
[03:01] <bdmp> thanks
[03:01] <snader> :-)
[03:01] <cha0s> anyone got a working link to mplayer please?
[03:01] <bdmp> I installed bittorent with kynaptic too but I cant find it in the program list from the tool bar. Any suggestions?
[03:02] <goofrider> bdmp, use the cmdline
[03:02] <goofrider> or use gnome-btdownload
[03:02] <bdmp> I already installed it
[03:02] <goofrider> or azureus
[03:02] <bdmp> is that a package
[03:02] <goofrider> gnome-btdownload is installed by default I believe
[03:02] <cha0s> true
[03:02] <bdmp> doesn't aziureus need java? isn;t that a pain to set up?
[03:03] <bdmp> I got kubuntu
[03:03] <goofrider> bdmp, not at all. Ubuntuguide.org has instructions
[03:03] <bdmp> thanks
[03:03] <Myrtti> hm, any ideas how to listen to midis?
[03:03] <fatordee> damn, I hope my hd didn't bork up :-\
[03:03] <dead^> hi, all. how can I get the X-Chat show what's on my Xmms right now? do i need any plugins or can I get it manually?
[03:04] <Myrtti> dead^: show where?
[03:04] <goofrider> just install java-package, download sun's jdk (bin file), run make-jpkg, install the deb, that's it
[03:04] <bdmp> are you talking to me goofrider?
[03:04] <dead^> Myrtti show different #channels
[03:04] <paul_> any ideas on how to manally install updates?
[03:04] <dead^> *on
[03:04] <Myrtti> that's evil, you know, don't you, dead^?
[03:04] <goofrider> bdmp, mmmhmmm
[03:05] <Myrtti> nobody really cares what you are listening to
[03:05] <bdmp> thanks install the asaurus deb?
[03:05] <Myrtti> and that's a cold fact
[03:05] <dead^> Myrtti, umm... what??
[03:05] <goofrider> paul_, `sudo apt-get update; apt get upgrade`
[03:05] <bdmp> doesn't it have to be in the java path or some nonsense?
[03:05] <paul_> ty
[03:05] <goofrider> Myrtti, well he might want to do that in OTHER channels, other IRCnet
[03:05] <goofrider> like the mp3 warez channles
[03:06] <Myrtti> oh, I see
[03:06] <Myrtti> lemme get some water, soap and towels
[03:06] <Seveas> we don't support warez ;)
[03:06] <Myrtti> I'm going to wash my hands
[03:06] <goofrider> bdmp, no the sun jdk/jre
[03:06] <Seveas> but there actually are legit uses for an xmms/xchat plugin
[03:06] <dead^> Myrtti, yeh, my intention wasn't start flooding here what's on my Xmms
[03:06] <Seveas> my mother uses it in one channel, there they appreciate it
[03:07] <goofrider> bdmp, for Azureus, u can just unpack the tarball in your home directory and run the shell script and it'll just work
[03:07] <teroedni> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg
[03:07] <teroedni> how do i fixe that?
[03:07] <bdmp> no java?
[03:07] <goofrider> as long as u have java installled, u might have to chnage a line or 2 in the sh script
[03:07] <dead^> so how can I get it working?
[03:07] <hellrazer> hi all i have a problem i need command 4 the console installing debin packages can someone give me a qick help?
[03:07] <bdmp> ok thanks
[03:08] <goofrider> hellrazer, it's `apt-get`
[03:08] <bdmp> i'm sure i'll be back when i get confused again
[03:08] <goofrider> bdmp, check ubuntuguide.org for instructions
[03:08] <bdmp> thanks
[03:08] <Myrtti> hm, no help on my midi problem?
[03:08] <hellrazer> goofrider i dont know this command i mean i have installed them something lime install -dpkg filname or something like that
[03:09] <yccheok_> cha0s: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[03:09] <goofrider> dead^, u should try xmms and xchat's website for specific plugins
[03:09] <hellrazer> i just have forgotten the exact command
[03:09] <medication> anyone have some suggestions for a avi player beside mplayer?
[03:09] <Seveas> hellrazer, dpkg -i filename.deb
[03:09] <yccheok_> cha0s: The instruction are will written, just follow and u will get what you want
[03:09] <goofrider> medication, Totem, vlc
[03:09] <yccheok_> medication: xine player
[03:09] <medication> thanks goofrider
[03:09] <medication> and yccheok_
[03:10] <yccheok_> hi guys, anyone got idea on dos2unix?
[03:10] <goofrider> Myrtti, try timidity for midi support
[03:10] <medication> goofrider: i also wanted to say thanks for helping me the other day (i think weds.)
[03:10] <Behemoth> hello
[03:10] <Seveas> hi
[03:10] <goofrider> hellrazer, dpkg -i yourfile.deb
[03:10] <medication> i used the expert install method and set a static ip and everything installed perfectly
[03:10] <goofrider> medication, sure np
[03:10] <goofrider> glad to be of help
[03:10] <Behemoth> I just installed Ubuntu and already am in love with it :D
[03:11] <Behemoth> but I have a question
[03:11] <Seveas> Behemoth, welcome aboard :)
[03:11] <goofrider> Seveas, help i'm swamped
[03:11] <Myrtti> goofrider: found it already
[03:11] <Myrtti> Behemoth: confgrats
[03:11] <Myrtti> -f
[03:11] <goofrider> Myrtti, ok good. sorry for the slow response LOL
[03:12] <Myrtti> goofrider: no, I just realized that I'm a jackass not trying google first
[03:12] <Myrtti> so no hard feelings what so ever
[03:12] <goofrider> no shit
[03:12] <goofrider> LMAO
[03:12] <hellrazer> goofrider i cannot install this package like this apt-get  skype_1.1.0.3-1_i386.deb
[03:12] <Behemoth> when I was partitionning my hd for Ubuntu I forgot to create a swap partition, installed GParted, and now created it, question: just doing sudo swapon  /deh/hda5 enough to activate it or I need to do something else?
[03:12] <goofrider> hellrazer, sudo dpkg -i skype_1.1.0.3-1_i386.deb
[03:13] <Seveas> hellrazer, like some said before: dpkg -i skype...blabla...deb
[03:13] <Myrtti> but I'm having a IRC-channel meet that I'm hosting, so nervousness might have something to do with it
[03:13] <dead^> goofrider, yeah, but my original question was, can i get it done manually? i'm pretty sure that someone has done it. I just need to know what to type on X-Chats command list :/
[03:13] <goofrider> Behemoth, swapon alone is enoough the time being
[03:13] <mjr> Behemoth, that activates it until you reboot
[03:13] <dead^> goofrider, sorry 'bout the dealy
[03:13] <dead^> :D
[03:13] <goofrider> Behemoth, u need to add a line in fstab for it to work at boot time everytime
[03:13] <Seveas> Behemoth, you should put in in your fstab too
[03:13] <Behemoth> Seveas, ok thanks, so swapon and fstab
[03:13] <Seveas>  /dev/hda2       none            swap    sw              0       0
[03:14] <Seveas> a line like that Behemoth
[03:14] <Myrtti> dead^: you can't be searching for /me is now playing Weird Al - Windows 95
[03:14] <CarlK> hellrazer - there are 2 "soft phones" you can install with apt-get
[03:14] <Seveas> just make sure you specify the correct partition
[03:14] <Behemoth> Seveas, ok will do
[03:14] <goofrider> dead^, to be honest, freenode.net isn't that kind of IRC network where we know about these things
[03:14] <Behemoth> Seveas, also Im using Gentoo too now and was wondering can I use same swap partition for both?
[03:14] <goofrider> dead^, if anyone knows they sure would have volunteered the info
[03:14] <Seveas> Behemoth, yes, without problems
[03:15] <goofrider> dead^, try the mp3 related chs around here, maybe #xmms and #xchat????
[03:15] <dead^> goofrider, well sorry, but really rare servers people use X-Chat
[03:15] <CarlK> hellrazer - I think they are called kphone and linphone
[03:15] <Behemoth> Seveas, perfect :D
[03:15] <mjr> CarlK, also gnomemeeting
[03:16] <goofrider> dead^, then more of a reason why u should check xchat's website/forum for the script. I'm sure they have it there
[03:16] <CarlK> hellrazer - http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Open%20Source%20VOIP%20Software
[03:16] <k4rp0r> gotta go to smoke, cya
[03:16] <dead^> goofrider, yeah, got it. I bother you no longer :D
[03:16] <goofrider> and SPLphone as well
[03:16] <k4rp0r> ::D LOL
[03:16] <k4rp0r> cya
[03:16] <goofrider> dead^, glad u found it
[03:17] <Behemoth> Seveas, err was just creating partitions and GParted said that creation of partition was done on busy device or something, so I need to reboot and its all or do I need to boot like from a livecd then create partitions and then boot ubuntu and edit fstab and do swapon?
[03:18] <goofrider> Behemoth, u'll have to boot using live cd
[03:18] <trondd> Hi everyone! I can't put Gnome-blog on the panel, but I can use it from the menu. Any ideas?
[03:18] <goofrider> then create the parition
[03:18] <trondd> Behemoth: just be careful if you use swsusp2
[03:18] <cha0s> anyone pls help me
[03:19] <cha0s> i cannot start totem media player
[03:19] <cha0s> says
[03:19] <Behemoth> goofrider, so basically Gparted just did nothing even if I applied the disk changes?
[03:19] <CarlK> goofrider - what pacakge has splphone ?
[03:19] <cha0s> 'resource in use or not aviable' :/
[03:19] <goofrider> Behemoth, not if you're modifyin gthe parition that's mounted
[03:19] <trondd> Behemoth: if you suspend in gentoo and boot ubuntu, your suspend image will be gone...
[03:19] <jacquesmerde> is there a bug with ubuntu for saving gnome screen resolutions, or am i just an idiot? is there a way to directly edit a text file?
[03:19] <goofrider> CarlK, I don't think there's a package for it. I saw it on freshmeat.net :-/
[03:20] <Behemoth> trondd, same with hibernate?
[03:20] <CarlK> goofrider - got it.
[03:20] <cha0s> anyone? :(
[03:20] <goofrider> cha0s, did u install totem-gstreamer? or totem-xine?
[03:20] <cha0s> well
[03:21] <trondd> Behemoth: hmm, not shure... I just know that swsusp2 dumps the memory to the swap partition
[03:21] <cha0s> the one which was installed by default :p
[03:21] <Behemoth> goofrider, no Im just modifying /dev/dha I still have like 100 gig unpartitionned on it so my new swap partition is created right?
[03:21] <goofrider> Behemoth, I meant, u can't modify the part table of phsyical disk drive if it's in use
[03:22] <Behemoth> trondd, well Ill just avoid suspend and will only do full shutdowns :D
[03:22] <goofrider> well, actually the comdline tools like sfdisk might do it
[03:22] <Behemoth> goofrider, ok so Ill reboot and comeback with more questions :D
[03:22] <trondd> Behemoth: then you shouldn't have any trouble
[03:22] <goofrider> but certainly not gparted
[03:22] <CarlK> goofrider - even if it could, i don't think anyone should modify a part table that is in use
[03:23] <goofrider> cha0s, can u be any more specific about the error?
[03:23] <cha0s> sorry
[03:23] <cha0s> thats all it says
[03:23] <cha0s> when trying to start it
[03:23] <goofrider> CarlK, I agree
[03:23] <cha0s> Error: Totem Video Player could'nt be started
[03:23] <cha0s> Resource not aviable or in use
[03:24] <cha0s> there's only an OK button
[03:24] <bdmp> can some one tell me the command that will let me edit the fstab file?
[03:24] <goofrider> I'll check to make sure totem-gstreamer is installed, not totem-xine
[03:24] <cha0s> :o?
[03:24] <goofrider> bdmp, gedit, vi, emacs, nano, pico
[03:24] <bdmp> which one should i use?
[03:24] <cha0s> i use nano
[03:24] <cha0s> :>
[03:24] <cha0s> easy
[03:24] <cha0s> nano /etc/fstab
[03:24] <bdmp> nano -w?
[03:24] <bdmp> thanks
[03:25] <goofrider> cha0s, and make sure u have all the gstreamer modules installed
[03:25] <cha0s> which are ? :o
[03:25] <goofrider> apt-cache search gstreamer
[03:25] <goofrider> and take your pick
[03:25] <cha0s> ok
[03:25] <cha0s> thx :)
[03:25] <cha0s> have to wait a bit tho
[03:25] <cha0s> installing some big package :(
[03:25] <goofrider> cha0s, not sure if it'll fix it but it might narrow things down a little
[03:26] <cha0s> k
[03:26] <cha0s> :)
[03:26] <goofrider> am I the only one asking questions again?
[03:26] <goofrider> fuck
[03:26] <CarlK> anyone know if windows can use a swap partition for swap?
[03:26] <goofrider> CarlK, windows use a swapfile
[03:27] <goofrider> a file that must be in an NTFS or FAT32 partition
[03:27] <CarlK> goofrider - yeah, thats what I am trying to deal with
[03:27] <mjr> CarlK, well, you could format it as fat and put in a swapfile when you halt/reboot your linux box, and recreate it as a swap partition on bootup
[03:28] <goofrider> CarlK, u can create a swapfile in a FAT32 partition for linux
[03:28] <goofrider> instead of a sap partition
[03:28] <mjr> and what goof said
[03:28] <CarlK> goofrider - thats the answer I needed
[03:28] <goofrider> but then, the linux/windows swap file wil be always there, taking room
[03:28] <goofrider> so it doesn't help much
[03:28] <CarlK> goofrider - not if I rm it on Linux boot
[03:29] <goofrider> CarlK, windows will create a swap file only when it's needed if u select "let windows manage swap space"
[03:29] <goofrider> so in theory, u can use create/remove the linux swap file when needed
[03:29] <goofrider> and let windows create its by itself
[03:30] <goofrider> put that in your init/shutdown script if u feel like it  LOL
[03:30] <goofrider> but no gurantees. I'm just telling u what I know
[03:30] <CarlK> nothing funny - that was my plan
[03:31] <goofrider> report back your findings. I'm sure it'll help others as well
[03:31] <CarlK> but I think I know a flaw: when a box hibernates, i bet it expects the swap to still be there
[03:31] <resiak> Solution: don't hibernate!
[03:32] <goofrider> CarlK, not sure how linux deal with that. Windows use a **separate** file for hibernation
[03:32] <goofrider> independant of the swap file
[03:32] <CarlK> resiak - but that means Ihave to wait for it to shut down and then restart
[03:32] <mjr> CarlK, and I think the standard software suspend code in the kernel actually requires a swap _partition_ for hibernation to work
[03:32] <goofrider> CarlK, I think I remember that as well
[03:32] <mjr> (the swsusp2 code which is available separately might've lifted that restriction)
[03:32] <goofrider> CarlK, are u really that low on HDD space?
[03:33] <CarlK> goofrider - yes, but I would think when the OS wakes up from hibernation, it will be pretty pissed off if I have rm'ed it's swap file
[03:33] <goofrider> or r ujust a cheap bastard?
[03:33] <mjr> anyway, all software suspend implementations for linux do use swap space for doing their thing
[03:33] <Seveas> goofrider, language...
[03:33] <resiak> CarlK: And it takes about a minute ... so?
[03:33] <goofrider> I'm j/k
[03:33] <goofrider> :)
[03:33] <CarlK> resiak - i wish it was only a min
[03:33] <resiak> CarlK: How old is your laptop?
[03:33] <resiak> s/laptop/computer/
[03:33] <CarlK> resiak - about a year
[03:33] <goofrider> CarlK, seriously, let them have dedicated swap dpace
[03:34] <resiak> CarlK: ...and it takes more than a minute to boot? What are you running on it?
[03:34] <CarlK> resiak - XP
[03:34] <Aemaeth> night all
[03:34] <resiak> CarlK: Ewwwwwwwww
[03:34] <resiak> CarlK: But you weren't talking about removing Windows' swap.
[03:34] <CarlK> yeah - I would do 2000, but it is handy using the nifty rescue CDs to just install/patch/whaterver
[03:35] <goofrider> resiak, older laptop drives can be really slow
[03:35] <CarlK> resiak- I was when I was thinking of having bot OS's use the same partitinon
[03:35] <goofrider> CarlK, let linux have it's swap and let windows manage its (which will be 0 when it shutsdown)
[03:35] <resiak> goofrider: This isn't an older laptop.
[03:35] <goofrider> CarlK, no no no don't do that
[03:36] <CarlK> goofrider - yeah, thats my plan now
[03:36] <goofrider> CarlK, it can't be that slow
[03:36] <goofrider> CarlK, is this an DHCP issue?
[03:36] <goofrider> or hotplug?
[03:37] <goofrider> both of them can stall the boot process
[03:37] <CarlK> goofrider - linux boots up about 5x as fast as XP
[03:37] <CarlK> and I haven'
[03:37] <goofrider> CarlK, and u may wanna try init-ng if u feel experimental
[03:37] <CarlK> and I haven't dumped that much into the XP side
[03:37] <goofrider> CarlK, so XP boots slow?
[03:38] <CarlK> goofrider - Linux is fine - it is stop/starting XP
[03:38] <CarlK> right
[03:38] <goofrider> CarlK, well, then u should be hibernating XP then, not linux
[03:39] <CarlK> arg.  yes, but if I hibernate XP, the boot into linux and rm the XP swap file, XP is goiing to be pretty pissed off when it wakes up
[03:39] <goofrider> and like I said, XP use it's own hiberate.sys file (same size as phyiscal RAM), separate from the pagefile.sys
[03:39] <flevour> hi all
[03:39] <goofrider> athen don't remote XP's swap when it hibernates?
[03:39] <goofrider> how hard is that?
[03:40] <goofrider> s/remote/remove/
[03:40] <CarlK> goofrider what a great idea!
[03:40] <goofrider> u can't be THAT low on HDD space if it's NOT an older laptop
[03:40] <flevour> i have problems configuring my printer throught cups. after i configure it i cant print even the test page
[03:40] <goofrider> and if u're not running a lot of apps, Windows will create NO SWAPSACE (if u tell it to manage itself)
[03:41] <vigilanty> can anyone tell me why i can't run certain applications that i just recently installed?
[03:41] <goofrider> CarlK, in fact, if u logout (not shutdown) b4 hibernate, I bet the swap on Windows will reuce to a mangable size
[03:41] <vigilanty> i've just installed fceu (nes emulator), and quake 2.  Neither of which will work.
[03:42] <krazykook> well breezy is almost ready
[03:42] <goofrider> vigilanty, elaborate on "not work" please?
[03:42] <sproingie> breezy ready?  in what sense?
[03:42] <flevour> can anyone help me debugging this situation?
[03:42] <krazykook> only took about 15 mods and now the basics are working except for apache...so one more problem to go
[03:42] <vigilanty> well, i click applications, run, type the app name, and it just doesn't work.
[03:42] <vigilanty> no starting (appname) on the toolbar or anything.
[03:42] <sproingie> wouldnt be til june that is
[03:42] <goofrider> flevour, do u see it un the printer panel? is it USB or network printer?
[03:43] <krazykook> sproingie: well i found that libdb4.2 is actually better than 4.3
[03:43] <krazykook> to rebuild all of gnome with
[03:43] <goofrider> vigilanty, maybe the app has a different name?
[03:43] <krazykook> and now all the basics are working except for apache
[03:43] <vigilanty> well, it's the name that was used when installing thru synaptic.
[03:43] <goofrider> vigilanty, not always
[03:43] <flevour> goofrider: parallel printer. i see it in the printer panel. i was not sure gnome app was working ok, so i activated the http admin version
[03:43] <sproingie> both gnome and kde are seriously hosed in breezy's current state.  i sure wouldnt use it unless your apt kung fu is strong
[03:43] <vigilanty> and when typing in the run menu, it finishes the correct name for me.
[03:43] <sproingie> mine isn't.  so i'm kinda stuck
[03:44] <krazykook> sproingie: not any more.
[03:44] <vigilanty> but I'm listening.
[03:44] <goofrider> vigilanty, dkpg -L packagename for all files installed by a package. look for what's in /usr/bin
[03:44] <vigilanty> ok
[03:44] <vigilanty> one sec.
[03:44] <dataw0lf|w> Advice: if you don't know what you're doing, don't dist-upgrade to unstable.
[03:44] <krazykook> krazykook: you just have to recompile quite a bit of stuff....but it is basically working now except for apache
[03:44] <sproingie> krazykook: when was that fixed?  still broken for me
[03:44] <vigilanty> there is nothing in there.
[03:45] <goofrider> vigilanty, not all apps have a menu item either. installing the 'menu' package will show u more apps in the menu
[03:45] <krazykook> sproingie: well i am working on it now...but i had to rebuild all the basics first
[03:45] <krazykook> sproingie: so now i can concentrate on apache
[03:45] <vigilanty> unh hunh
[03:45] <zoddan> can somone help me with this problem?, http://zoddan.mine.nu/linux/kismet.log
[03:45] <vigilanty> well, guide me o great one.
[03:45] <krazykook> but i tell you there is a serious problem with the latest firefox versions
[03:46] <krazykook> they knock out half the gnome platform
[03:46] <krazykook> i had to go back to 1.02
[03:46] <goofrider> flevour, did u try printing a test page from the print control panel? try that and checl /var/log/cups for errors
[03:47] <zoddan> anyone? :(
[03:47] <vigilanty> goofrider, what am i supposed to do then?
[03:48] <goofrider> vigilanty, sorry dpkg -L packagename
[03:48] <Raskall> when did/do they start sending out ubuntu cd's?
[03:48] <vigilanty> well, i haven't found it in a package for download anywhere
[03:48] <goofrider> zoddan, what did u install?
[03:48] <krazykook> well i have pared ubuntu down to only 20 gigs now for the basics....much less than the 80gigs for gentoo
[03:48] <zoddan> goofrider: gkismet
[03:48] <vigilanty> well, i did for quake, but not fceu.
[03:48] <goofrider> zoddan, Debian packages are prohibit to install to /usr/local
[03:49] <goofrider> zoddan, did u install from source/3rd-party?
[03:49] <zoddan> no
[03:49] <projectmayhem> hey
[03:49] <zoddan> ./root/gkismet
[03:49] <vigilanty> i'll try quake.
[03:49] <krazykook> and still with only 20gigs have managed to keep the important dev files for the basics
[03:49] <zoddan> goofrider: what do i need to change ?
[03:49] <vigilanty> i'll have to get back with someone later on about fceu i guess.
[03:49] <goofrider> vigilanty, quake wouldn't be in dpkg
[03:50] <vigilanty> trying it now.
[03:50] <goofrider> vigilanty, quake wouldn't be in dpkg's database since it's not packaged by Ubuntu, obiously
[03:50] <vigilanty> hmmm
[03:50] <vigilanty> so what is quake2-3.20-glibc-i386-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz
[03:50] <vigilanty> ?
[03:50] <krazykook> now if i can find a cheap blue laser....well breezy might be distributable on a 25gig single dvd
[03:50] <zoddan> goofrider: do i have to apt something ?
[03:51] <goofrider> zoddan, u need to modify the Makefile to suit the system, try to look for a DEB as well b4 u install from source
[03:51] <zoddan> b4 ?
[03:51] <krazykook> but the real problem is the cost of the blue laser media
[03:51] <dataw0lf|w> vigilanty: a compressed and archived file, use tar zxvf quake2-... etc to uncompress and unpack it
[03:51] <goofrider> zoddan, no, it looks like the Makefile or shell script is broken and u need to customize it. I can't help u with that, it's a rather tedious process
[03:51] <krazykook> i checked around and the costs of the media are astronomical
[03:51] <goofrider> b4=before
[03:51] <krazykook> at this time
[03:51] <zoddan> goofrider:  just move the gkismet dir to source/ ?
[03:52] <vigilanty> ok
[03:52] <goofrider> zoddan, just got google for a gkismet DEB package
[03:52] <goofrider> just go**
[03:52] <zoddan> goofrider: there is no deb packgage
[03:52] <goofrider> if none's avail, alien an RPM
[03:52] <vigilanty> done.
[03:52] <vigilanty> now what?
[03:52] <zoddan> goofrider: no RPM either
[03:53] <goofrider> zoddan, if u have trouble with installing from source, u need to ask the ppl who publish the source in the first place
[03:53] <vigilanty> it put all the stuff on my desktop!!
[03:53] <flevour> goofrider: result: printers tries to print a lot of blank pages, except the first that is filled with stuff like "/usr/share/doc/capplets"
[03:53] <zoddan> goofrider: dunno who that is
[03:53] <krazykook> i am just totally amazed at how fast this ubuntu is......nearly as fast as my best optimizations on gentoo
[03:53] <goofrider> I don't know what gkismet's dependancies are, what the limitation is, and where it install files
[03:54] <krazykook> it is incredibly fast after prelinking on a slow p4
[03:54] <zoddan> goofrider: http://gkismet.sourceforge.net/
[03:54] <krazykook> abi comes up in less than 1 second
[03:54] <zoddan> goofrider: ??
[03:54] <goofrider> zoddan, right, go to their forum/mailing and ask for help there
[03:54] <goofrider> search their forum and mailing list
[03:54] <krazykook> and about 2 seconds for gnumeric
[03:55] <goofrider> I can't know about every software on the planet
[03:55] <krazykook> this thing is incredibly fast for a slow processor
[03:55] <zoddan> goofrider: fuckup forum
[03:55] <zoddan> goofrider: ho can i fix it ?
[03:56] <goofrider> flevour, I really don't know the specifc cups error, please search ubuntuforums.org and cups's forum.. sorry i can't be more helpful
[03:56] <vigilanty> the damn readme of it is set up for a windows machine.
[03:56] <krazykook> blender comes up in less than 1 second
[03:56] <vigilanty> guide on installation tells me to run setup.exe, or go into the start menu...
[03:56] <zoddan> goofrider: can you look at the makefile ?
[03:56] <krazykook> i can't believe how well ubuntu optimized their i386 compilations
[03:56] <goofrider> vigilanty, zoddan  please stop coming in here and ask for help for 3rd-party source packges
[03:57] <projectmayhem> can someone help me install ActiveX plugin for firefox? i wanted to install half-life 2
[03:57] <goofrider> I can't help u, because I don't know about what they do
[03:57] <zoddan> goofrider: ?
[03:57] <zoddan> if you know linux you know whats wrong with the script
[03:57] <goofrider> projectmayhem, activeX is Windows-only, try to look for a comparable Mozilla plugin as a replacement
[03:57] <Stefan> hi
[03:57] <space_oddity> we
[03:58] <zoddan> anyone here that knows how to setup kismet ?
[03:58] <Stefan> i'm having one problem: i need to get the module "fcdsl" loaded at system startup with some parameters and i created a /etc/modprobe.d/fcdsl with "options ...." inside
[03:58] <projectmayhem> goofrider i know, its just the cedega website said i needed some activeX plugin to make steam work...
[03:58] <flevour> goofrider: thanks anyway
[03:59] <Stefan> after "update-modules" and restart, the options are not overtaken
[03:59] <goofrider> vigilanty, zoddan and please don't install from source if you don't know what it does, it's dangerous. and you can't possibly expect us to be able to help u with software we know nothing about
[03:59] <Stefan> as if it wasn't read
[03:59] <Stefan> any help for this?
[03:59] <zoddan> goofrider:  if you don't know what it does ?
[03:59] <zoddan> goofrider: i know what it does
[03:59] <zoddan> goofrider: it is a GUI for kismet
[03:59] <goofrider> projectmayhem, they maybe talking about crossover plugins (or whatever it;s name is) it's commercial product to run ActiveX on Linux
[04:00] <projectmayhem> ok thx goofrider
[04:00] <Stefan> what about creating /etc/modules.conf? could this help?
[04:00] <goofrider> zoddan, I fgured that.
[04:00] <zoddan> goofrider so whats the problem :P
[04:00] <zoddan> ubuntu sucks for laptops, thats  the problem :P
[04:00] <Darksun> zoddan, why so?
[04:01] <goofrider> zoddan, u think I get paid for this?
[04:01] <goofrider> WTF
[04:01] <krazykook> glom takes about 3 seconds to bring up the entire sample database....but uh i have no idea how to use it....glom needs some documentation for its latest reporting capabilities
[04:01] <Darksun> Works OK on mine, so far
[04:01] <zoddan> goofrider: no ?
[04:01] <Stefan> or has anyone here already set up a fritcard under ubuntu?
[04:01] <zoddan> Darksun: worse ACPI/APM support ever and WLAN support
[04:02] <Fator_Dee> zoddan: you would get much better help from those who made that GUI
[04:02] <krazykook> but overall it is incredibly fast
[04:02] <cha0s> wow
[04:02] <Tolaris> Hi all
[04:02] <cha0s> compiling mplayer takes ages :x
[04:02] <zoddan> Fator_Dee: good, you can try to find them
[04:02] <goofrider> cha0s, y r u compiling mplayer?
[04:02] <goofrider> there are DEBs
[04:02] <cha0s> well
[04:02] <cha0s> im following that instructions onthat page
[04:02] <Fator_Dee> zoddan: why me? it's you who has the problem
[04:02] <Darksun> WLan support is OK, and WLan isn't really laptop only :P
[04:03] <Tolaris> I'm pulling my hair out here - how do you edit menus in gnome-panel in Hoary?
[04:03] <zoddan> Fator_Dee: dont whine about it then
[04:03] <zoddan> i know that
[04:03] <goofrider> zoddan, and demanding help from us is gonna help?
[04:03] <Tolaris> None of the online docs appear to be correct with the build of gnome-panel Hoary has
[04:03] <CarlK> goofrider - ya know, the internet page, the one you see in your browser when you go to the web
[04:03] <Baznoid> install a menu editor
[04:03] <krazykook> Tolaris: well i finally got menu-editor working a little on ubuntu
[04:03] <goofrider> zoddan, how are we supposed to know anything about their software more than they do?
[04:03] <Tolaris> menu-editor seems pretty broken
[04:03] <projectmayhem> to install steam, do i just run the installer in cedega?
[04:03] <zoddan> goofrider yes
[04:03] <Tolaris> I really just want to know where the hell the underlying files are
[04:04] <goofrider> Tolaris, install the 'smeg' package from hoary-backports
[04:04] <zoddan> goofrider: just guessing now but your a linux n00b ?
[04:04] <goofrider> http;//backports.ubuntuforums.org
[04:04] <krazykook> Tolaris: well i have that written down somewhere...seems like xdg
[04:04] <Tolaris> smeg & xdg ... searching
[04:04] <goofrider> zoddan, not any more of a n00b than u r
[04:04] <krazykook> Tolaris: but after you do a reboot...menu-editor works better
[04:04] <goofrider> at least I
[04:04] <zoddan> goofrider: good
[04:04] <goofrider> at least I'm getting things done
[04:04] <zoddan> goofrider: then you can solve this
[04:05] <Tolaris> strange that a reboot would affect it
[04:05] <Baznoid> Tolaris check the unofficial faq page at http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:05] <krazykook> Tolaris: yes it was strange...but it began to work better after i did a reboot
[04:06] <goofrider> zoddan, no I can't help u with a 3rd-party sourcve package
[04:06] <alexandre> hi
[04:06] <goofrider> enough is enough
[04:06] <zoddan> goofrider: can you tell me how i setup my wlan so it connects at boot ?
[04:06] <alexandre> i'm looking for a soft to o symbolic calculus
[04:06] <jaggi> is there a gui version of aptitude (or any other package management program)
[04:06] <CarlK> goofrider - no, you solve this now!
[04:06] <goofrider> zoddan, i'll try and answer that one then
[04:06] <Baznoid> Tolaris http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[04:06] <Tolaris> baznoid: thanks, I searched the guide pretty well
[04:06] <krazykook> alexandre: try am.tgz
[04:06] <CarlK> goofrider - you feel good that we bring you our problems
[04:06] <Tolaris> menu-editor doesn't work properly
[04:07] <Tolaris> or rather, it doesn't appear to let me edit or do anything
[04:07] <Tolaris> smeg works though
[04:07] <krazykook> Tolaris: well i have used it for some things
[04:07] <Tolaris> goofrider, thanks for that
[04:07] <jaggi> Tolaris, want to edit menus?
[04:07] <jaggi> add a prog?
[04:07] <goofrider> zoddan, i know there's a wifi manager in ubuntu, I'll find it, OK???
[04:07] <CarlK> jaggi - System, Admin, Synaptic pacake manager
[04:07] <goofrider> Tolaris, no. glad to be of help
[04:08] <zoddan> goofrider: ok !
[04:08] <CarlK> pancake manager?
[04:08] <Tolaris> jaggi: yes I do
[04:08] <goofrider> CarlK, well I know i like it when *I* get help, so I'm just giving back what I can
[04:08] <Tolaris> but what I really want to do is understand the underlying file structer that drives the menus
[04:08] <Tolaris> all the documents online refer to vfolders, etc - none of those exist on my system
[04:09] <CarlK> goofrider - I know, just teasing you.... or more teasing the ones that are expecting a bit much of you
[04:09] <goofrider> Tolaris, try the gnome-doc , debain-policy, etc.
[04:09] <krazykook> someone needs to print up some docs on how people can use glom
[04:09] <goofrider> CarlK, well then help me!!!!
[04:09] <jaggi> Tolaris, just had to add Opera the other day... see /usr/share/applications
[04:10] <CarlK> goofrider - i told someone ablut the pancake manager.... ;)
[04:10] <krazykook> and also some docs on how to get macros working on gnumeric
[04:10] <jaggi> took a while.. the menu editing of Nautilus didn't work for me, as I couldn't get to the applications:/// url it said should work.
[04:10] <Tolaris> that explains the links, Jaggi, thanks
[04:10] <Tolaris> what defines the folders in the menu?
[04:10] <jaggi> there's also the applnk dirs, etc, but this one seemed to be the only one which worked
[04:11] <Tolaris> for instance, "Programming" appears to really be called "Development", which is a bit odd for hand-editing files
[04:11] <jaggi> take a look at a known file in the dir.. see the xchat file in that dir
[04:11] <cha0s> now
[04:11] <Tolaris> yes, applications:/// is no good for me as well
[04:11] <deepspring> upgrading firefox to 1.0.4 is simply a matter of running the install and overwriting the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox folder with the new one... isn't it
[04:11] <cha0s> how can i play DVD's with mplayer?
[04:11] <krazykook> well gaim has a file transfer option and i would like to see if i can upload anything with it
[04:11] <jaggi> CarlK, it made me hungry for them too :)
[04:12] <krazykook> does anybody have gaim running to try to download a file from me
[04:12] <snader> cha0s: mplayer dvd://1
[04:12] <goofrider> zoddan, u still there?
[04:12] <goofrider> zoddan, try this guide  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[04:12] <zoddan> goofrider: i have added it to interfaces but that did nothing
[04:12] <zoddan> goofrider: i have done that
[04:12] <CarlK> cha0s - you may need to read  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:12] <zoddan> goofrider: its not helping
[04:12] <krazykook> nobody in here is running gaim
[04:12] <goofrider> oh have u
[04:13] <jaggi> my laptop's touchpad scroll areas are way out of control.. like half the touchpad will do the scroll.. :)
[04:13] <deepspring> I'm running gaim
[04:13] <cha0s> snader
[04:13] <cha0s> it says
[04:13] <goofrider> zoddan, any u installed the appropiate wfi drivers?
[04:13] <cha0s> Playing dvd://1.
[04:13] <cha0s> but i see nothing :o
[04:13] <krazykook> deepspring: ok let me try to send you a short file to see if it is any better than irc
[04:13] <deepspring> hahaha
[04:13] <zoddan> goofrider: i use Prism54 drivers
[04:13] <deepspring> I'm using xchat for irc though :p
[04:14] <cha0s> snader : now it said libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss.
[04:14] <goofrider> and u installed the wireless-tools package?
[04:14] <zoddan> goofrider: yes
[04:14] <cappe> Im having deep problems guys =/ I changed my user and root password yesterday late in the night, now i am trying to get in to my system and I can't remember the password =/ is this problem solvable in any way? I have the Ubuntu-cd..
[04:14] <goofrider> no WEP, right?
[04:14] <zoddan> goofrider: no
[04:14] <zoddan> goofrider: i have 128Bit WEP
[04:15] <CarlK> cappe - when you boot, hit ESC to get to the grub menu, then pick (rescue mode)
[04:15] <krazykook> deepspring: how do you send a file in gaim
[04:15] <goofrider> u might want to try static IP, first of all
[04:15] <Tolaris> wow, I am feeling much love for SMEG now.  :)
[04:15] <goofrider> zoddan, get DHCP out of the problem
[04:15] <cappe> ok.. I have done that once.. but it wants the root pass for mentanace..
[04:15] <zoddan> goofrider: ?
[04:15] <jaggi> cappe, used to be able to boot the linux kernel with the "single" option added as a kernel arg, but my modern grub doesn't seem to allow it.. however, I read you can pass a 1 as an additional argument (instead of single) .. it didn't work for me but it might for you.. :)
[04:16] <deepspring> talk to a use and click the floppy disk icon on the bottom of the chat window
[04:16] <zoddan> goofrider: nothing wrong with the DHCP
[04:16] <snader> ow sorry cha0s, don't know that error message
[04:16] <deepspring> user*
[04:16] <krazykook> deepspring: let me try to im you in gaim and see if a send file option is there
[04:16] <CarlK> cappe- rats - I thought that didn't bother with a login
[04:16] <cha0s> k :/
[04:16] <goofrider> zoddan, well if u can get a DHCP IP, then what's the problem?
[04:16] <deepspring> krazykook, I'm in xchat
[04:16] <Behemoth> can I compile ubuntu kernel myself or does it use some genkernel equivalent?
[04:16] <deepspring> krazykook, I only use gaim for msn and icq
[04:16] <CarlK> cappe - plan B - hit escape, then selelect (rescue mode) but don't hit enter, hit E for edit
[04:16] <zoddan> goofrider: i just told you
[04:16] <goofrider> Behemoth, use make-kpkg
[04:16] <zerokarmaleft> Behemoth, look into make-kpkg
[04:17] <CarlK> cappe - and give me a sec to figure out exactly what to do next...
[04:17] <zoddan> goofrider: linux is not setting up my WLAN at boot, so i have to do i manually
[04:17] <krazykook> deepspring: oh...that won't do much good....i am trying to test the file transfer in gaim out since xchat doesn't work
[04:17] <goofrider> oh oh right
[04:17] <krazykook> nobody is using gaim
[04:17] <goofrider> so at least it works
[04:17] <cappe> CarlK: ok, cool :)
[04:17] <deepspring> lol
[04:17] <projectmayhem> i use gaim
[04:17] <krazykook> projectmayhem: ok let me try to im you
[04:17] <Behemoth> is it installed by default or do I apt-get install it first?
[04:17] <projectmayhem> ok my IM is swimflugel12
[04:17] <projectmayhem> aim
[04:17] <jaggi> carlk, read my line for info on the single/1 kernel option
[04:17] <zoddan> goofrider: well dah
[04:18] <CarlK> jaggi - how far up?
[04:18] <zoddan> goofrider: pain in the ass to do it everytime i boot
[04:18] <jaggi> 30?
[04:18] <jaggi> 30 lines.. my very previous line :)
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> Behemoth, apt-cache policy kernel-package
[04:18] <goofrider> Behemoth, kernel-helper is the package i think
[04:18] <CarlK> jaggi- got it.  yeah, there are a few ways... I'' figure oune
[04:18] <zerokarmaleft> Behemoth, don't think it's installed by default
[04:19] <goofrider> Behemoth, yes, kernel-package
[04:19] <Behemoth> synopsis is installed by default right?
[04:20] <goofrider> zoddan, I wish I can be more helpful but I think you're better off asking Google or come back later when someone knows wifi comes in. I'm just gonna waste time googling like u'll bedoing yourself
[04:20] <Behemoth> lol Im lost in this distro and its supposed to be easy :D lol used Gentoo for too long
[04:20] <Behemoth> now look for difficult solutions for easy problems :D
[04:20] <goofrider> zoddan, but I don't see y u can use a custom /etc/init.d/ script to do what u want
[04:20] <goofrider> y u can't****
[04:21] <zoddan> goofrider: i have dont that
[04:21] <goofrider> Behemoth, just read the manpages in kernel-package
[04:21] <Behemoth> goofrider, is it gui or terminal?
[04:21] <goofrider> zoddan, well try that, cause that's what I'm doing for u and I can't do that while I can help others
[04:22] <goofrider> Behemoth, it's a console tool
[04:22] <zoddan> goofrider: been there done that
[04:22] <Behemoth> goofrider, ok and it reqs gcc ... kubuntu is binary so I wont need to wait for 3 hours for gcc to install right? (man Gentoo brainwashed me :D)
[04:22] <zoddan> goofrider: not working
[04:23] <goofrider> Behemoth, check the Debian manuals too, they may have manuals on how to build kernel packges. u compile your custom kernel, then run make-kpkd and it builds a DEB for u, then u install it like any package : dpkg -i yourkernel.deb
[04:23] <goofrider> zoddan, that's really odd
[04:23] <cha0s> whats the cmd to mount a drive again?
[04:23] <zoddan> goofrider: tell me about it
[04:23] <cappe> g2g i guess i will reinstall it all later or something
[04:23] <dataw0lf|w> mount
[04:23] <goofrider> mount -t  /dev/hda1 /mnt/yourdir
[04:23] <dataw0lf|w> Next!
[04:23] <goofrider> mount   /dev/hda1 /mnt/yourdir
[04:24] <cha0s> thx
[04:24] <Behemoth> goofrider, thing is half of my hardware is not detected so I wanted to mess in the kernel to make it work, or is there another way in ubuntu?
[04:24] <yarr> is there a way to configure gnome to not pass through clicks on focus?  Or, is it still possible to use Sawfish as the window manager?
[04:24] <goofrider> Behemoth, u shouldn't have to mess with the kernel. What hardware is it not detecting?
[04:24] <goofrider> yarr, check the mouse control panel
[04:24] <CarlK> cha0s - mount something somewhere
[04:25] <goofrider> yarr, install sawfish, it should shows up in the "sessions" menu when u login
[04:25] <Behemoth> firewire port, videocard, usb hds, firewire burner, pci bus and touchpad
[04:25] <goofrider> Behemoth, is hotplug running?
[04:25] <yarr> goofrider, ahhh I have to log back in, thanks a lot!  Btw, there's nothing there for it under the mouse controls.
[04:25] <CarlK> Behemoth - pci bus?
[04:26] <goofrider> Behemoth, hotplug is responsbile for firewire drives, usb drives, etc.
[04:26] <goofrider> Behemoth, there's a touchpad drive in apt/synatpic
[04:26] <Behemoth> CarlK, basically lspci states that pci bus and isa bus are unknown, but its ati
[04:26] <goofrider> Behemoth, video cards need to be fixed depending on model. make sure u install the video drivers, then do xorgconif
[04:26] <goofrider> xorgconfig
[04:27] <Behemoth> goofrider, hotplug is working cause my usb mouse and webcams are detected
[04:27] <Behemoth> webcam*
[04:27] <CarlK> cappe - almost there....
[04:27] <Behemoth> goofrider, is there a good guid for hardware setup I could read?
[04:28] <Behemoth> guide*
[04:28] <cappe> CarlK: k:)
[04:28] <goofrider> always consult wiki.ubuntulinux.org ubuntuguide.org and ubuntuforums.org
[04:28] <projectmayhem> anyone here have experience with cedega?
[04:28] <CarlK> cappe - select the kernel line, hit E again, a the end of the line, add (space) init=/bin/bash
[04:29] <CarlK> cappe - then enter, then B for boot
[04:29] <goofrider> Behemoth, did u install file system drivers? like NTFS (if u need them to read the external drives)
[04:29] <CarlK> should be at a # prompt in about 5 seconds
[04:29] <Behemoth> godsmoke, DOH!!! ok that was dumn on my behalf
[04:29] <yarr> hmm, sawfish is not listed under Session
[04:29] <goofrider> :-P
[04:30] <goofrider> yarr, yeah I think I remember that sawfish is not under session
[04:30] <Behemoth> lol all my external hds are ntfs ... and its the only thing that I didnt install LOL
[04:30] <goofrider> yarr, BTW your mouse problem can be fixed in System->Preference->Windows
[04:30] <goofrider> Behemoth, ok gr8 now stop wasting my time
[04:30] <goofrider> Behemoth, ;)
[04:31] <goofrider> that's funny though
[04:31] <goofrider> it's ok we all get spacey sometimes
[04:31] <Tolaris> What do people use to remap special keys on their laptops/keyboards?
[04:31] <Tolaris> I'm using hotkeys under X
[04:31] <yarr> goofrider, no it can't, I want to prevent passing a click unless the window already has focus
[04:32] <goofrider> yarr, search ubuntuforums.org to see if anyone else is using Sawfish, maybe there's an answer for u already there
[04:32] <Tolaris> but I'm thinking I'd like something running at the console
[04:32] <yarr> goofrider, I'll double check there, thanks a lot!
[04:32] <CarlK> cappe - I am able to run passwd, but it gives me errors... I think something is missing
[04:33] <BlackHand> Hi
[04:33] <Behemoth> ok thanks for all ur help :D think I will be back later for more :D
[04:33] <CarlK> cappe - / is mounted rw, but touch x says "Read Only File system"
[04:33] <nobile> hello
[04:33] <guest857> ubuntu rulez, woody sucks
[04:33] <BlackHand> a quick question i can install ubuntu using another distro (Knoppix for example) via debootstrap ?
[04:33] <nobile> I am about to install ubuntu
[04:33] <CarlK> anyone know what "we" need to do?
[04:33] <foxiness> nobile, hi
[04:33] <nobile> I am really new to all of this
[04:33] <CarlK> BlackHand - what is debootstrap?
[04:34] <nobile> hi foxiness
[04:34] <goofrider> BlackHand, yes, most certainly
[04:34] <nobile> a friend told me that ubuntu was really nice to use
[04:34] <nobile> is there anything I need to know to install ubuntu?
[04:34] <Darksun> nobile, provided nothing goes wrong it's nice :P
[04:34] <cappe> CarlK: omg it worked!! gr8 dude! cheers, u saved my day :)
[04:34] <nobile> =)
[04:34] <BlackHand> CarlK: a way to create a debian from scratch
[04:34] <Tolaris> Ubuntu is really good for installing linux.  :)
[04:34] <goofrider> nobile, u can download the livecd and try it to make sure your hardware is supported
[04:35] <dcraven> nobile: Take everything you've learned from using Windows and forget it ;P
[04:35] <Tolaris> 90% of things just work right off the CD.
[04:35] <foxiness> nobile, bdcareful
[04:35] <CarlK> cappe - are you sure?  it is't working for me
[04:35] <cappe> worked here:)
[04:35] <nobile> I have used linux before, I had fedora, but I really didn't like it
[04:35] <BlackHand> goofrider: i need to setup a remote machine now and i like to install ubuntu, the person in the other side will boot with a LiveCD, setup ssh, i cna use debootstrap to install ubuntu then ?
[04:35] <nobile> that is why I am trying to use ubuntu
[04:35] <CarlK> BlackHand - like creating your own CD, or starting with a very base system and then installing packages ?
[04:35] <cappe> ops :D it didn't :P
[04:35] <cappe> lol
[04:35] <dcraven> nobile: All will go well.
[04:36] <foxiness> nobile, there are somthing on installer if u just press enter ill destroy your all partition
[04:36] <CarlK> cappe - yeah.. try touch x
[04:36] <cappe> authentication token lock busy :P
[04:36] <nobile> =O
[04:36] <nobile> so I don't press enter?
[04:36] <foxiness> nobile, im like u old user of fedora
[04:36] <goofrider> CarlK, u r a patient man
[04:36] <CarlK> cappe - you can't write (at least I can't)
[04:36] <cappe>  but then it is just to use rw in the line right?
[04:36] <nobile> yeah, when I got fedora, I ruined the windows partition, somehow, I still dunno how
[04:36] <Tolaris> nobile - if you have run any Linux before and if your PC has fairly standard hardware, try Ubuntu.  It's the easiest to desktop Linux to install and manage to date, in my opinion.
[04:36] <nobile> =P
[04:37] <CarlK> cappe - i du no... I am not sure why it is RO...
[04:37] <BlackHand> Carlk: very base system and install packages way
[04:37] <dcraven> nobile: I think what foxiness means, is that when you get to the part where you chose and/or format partitions, pay attention to what you are doing and read the messages.
[04:37] <goofrider> CarlK, what's the issue now?
[04:37] <nobile> ok, I'm gonna install it, if anything goes bad, I'll come back =P
[04:37] <nobile> ok
[04:37] <nobile> yes
[04:37] <nobile> thanks!
[04:37] <nobile> bye bye ^_^
[04:37] <CarlK> BlackHand - as far as I know, no.  but you can get close to that
[04:37] <dcraven> nobile: Come back anyways to tell us how it went!
[04:38] <foxiness> nobile, on yesterday my frind destroy all partiton by this erase all >>>> stuff
[04:38] <cappe> CarlK: it worked now :)
[04:38] <cappe> good stuff
[04:38] <CarlK> goofrider - cappe and I booted  with kerlen .... init=/bin/bash, and now ... magic happend.
[04:38] <goofrider> CarlK, debootstrap is a self-contained statically linked program (very small) that download and install a minimal DEbian system in a chroot, then u chroot to it, apt-get distro-upgrade and u have a full working system
[04:38] <CarlK> cappe - what did you do?
[04:38] <cappe> changed the boot-line that contained ro with rw
[04:39] <CarlK> cappe - good one
[04:39] <PhantomFreak> Hello again! How do you manually change the settings in X11...?
[04:39] <cappe> :)
[04:39] <kutucape> PhantomFreak, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <dcraven> PhantomFreak: You can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:39] <goofrider> CarlK, cappe but it shouldn't be a big deal
[04:39] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, xorgconfig
[04:39] <foxiness>  c y all l8r , time to go
[04:40] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, xorgconfig is a helper program, it's easier
[04:40] <CarlK> BlackHand - the ubuntu setup is about that simple - so if they can do what you described, they can just install from the Ubuntu Install CD
[04:40] <goofrider> CarlK, cappe changed the boot line where? in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[04:40] <goofrider> or fstab?
[04:40] <yonil> How do i check a package version ?
[04:40] <cappe> ubuntu rules:)
[04:40] <dcraven> Any poor saps in here wanna test the first tarball of my new project?
[04:40] <CarlK> goofrider - boot, E for edit, eidt, boot.
[04:40] <PhantomFreak> xorgconfig: Thanks!
[04:40] <ShaneAu> 'Ello hello
[04:41] <goofrider> CarlK, BlackHand knows about Debootstrap, so I'm sure he's very familiar with Debian installer
[04:41] <cappe> cya guys
[04:41] <dcraven> yonil: synaptic will tell you
[04:41] <goofrider> CarlK, and u mounted / rw? big deal
[04:41] <ShaneAu> How can I change iptable rules, I think it's stuffing up traceroutes :(, Firestater did it.
[04:42] <goofrider> ShaneAu, first, do firestarter -p, which stops it
[04:42] <goofrider> as well as flush iptables rules
[04:42] <CarlK> BlackHand - or maybe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[04:42] <queuetue> Hi- where is the right place to put arbitrary startup commands?  (I need to start stunnel at startup, and the install does not create anything in /etc/init.d ...)
[04:42] <ShaneAu> I dont' want to stop it...
[04:42] <ShaneAu> :S
[04:42] <ShaneAu> It does this to trace routes
[04:42] <ShaneAu>  1  0ms    0ms    0ms    UBUNTU [192.168.1.2] 
[04:42] <ShaneAu>  2  7ms    7ms     *     10.142.104.1
[04:42] <ShaneAu>  3  7ms    7ms     *     61.9.207.195
[04:42] <Tolaris> thanks for your help, all
[04:42] <Tolaris> I'm off
[04:42] <goofrider> ShaneAu, then change what;s in /etc/firestarter (it's where it builds the iptables rules)
[04:42] <ShaneAu> Oh.
[04:42] <ShaneAu> Ok :)
[04:43] <goofrider> queuetue, yes, then update inittab and run update-rx
[04:43] <goofrider> queuetue, yes, then update inittab and run update-rc
[04:43] <dcraven> queuetue: If I want something to run as a service, I typically put my own script in /etc/init.d
[04:44] <CarlK> BlackHand - if you want to do anyting like that, I can help you tune those instructions - I got a few thing wroking pretty good but havn't taken the time to figure out how to document it all
[04:44] <queuetue> dcraven, Arent init.d scripts required to follow some specific format, or can the script befailry simple?
[04:44] <goofrider> queuetue, personally, I'd put the actual script in /root, then symlink from /etc/init.d
[04:44] <dcraven> queuetue: or what goofrider said.
[04:44] <goofrider> so I keep /etc/init.d strictly for system installed scripts, cleaner that way
[04:44] <ShaneAu> iptables --flush is the command, right goofrider ?
[04:44] <BlackHand> Carlk: close, but the other person (in northamerica, i am in southamerica) don't know linux very well, i like that this person only put a livecd that activate ssh and let to me to work
[04:44] <yarr> goofrider, ahh much better!  You have to killall metacity && sawfish
[04:44] <dcraven> queuetue: I typically just work from one that is already created.
[04:45] <yarr> goofrider, when you log out and save the session, it will be on the next time you log in.
[04:45] <goofrider> queuetue, yes init.d script must accept cmd like start/stop/force-reload. check debian-policy manual
[04:45] <nobile> I am installing ubuntu now =)
[04:45] <goofrider> ShaneAu, yes, or firestarter -p (in case it's running in the background)
[04:45] <ShaneAu> ko
[04:45] <ShaneAu> Ok :)
[04:46] <ShaneAu> Thanks goofrider. I'll give it a go.
[04:46] <goofrider> yarr, congrats. I should reinstall it then  :)
[04:46] <goofrider> ShaneAu, make sure u edit /etc/firestarter/* b4 u reboot
[04:46] <ShaneAu> Yep :)
[04:46] <SlackUX> where can I get more packages for the lastest Ubuntu?
[04:46] <Hamaguchi> where can i find out the utils included in Ubuntu Live hoary?
[04:46] <queuetue> goofrider, Why would you place it in /root?
[04:46] <goofrider> SlackUX, do u have universe and multiverse enabled? and added backports as well?
[04:46] <rommer> can ubuntu be installed to a virtual machine using vmware on a windows system?
[04:47] <CarlK> Hamaguchi - what isn't on the disk you can apt-get
[04:47] <goofrider> queuetue, because it's reserve for the administrator
[04:47] <CarlK> rommer - yes
[04:47] <queuetue> goofrider, That's what /etc/init.d is made for... Holding init scripts.
[04:47] <nobile> ok, hope I chose the correct thing for the partitions =P
[04:47] <rommer> CarlK: are you sure?
[04:47] <CarlK> rommer - yes.
[04:47] <goofrider> queuetue, so 2 years lately I can look inside /etc/init.d and still know which script **I** wrote myself
[04:47] <Hamaguchi> so aptget will grab the progs to HDD?
[04:47] <SlackUX> goodfi: I've only used it once but I need more packages for my uncles install
[04:47] <Hamaguchi> even for the case of live CD?
[04:47] <goofrider> 2 years later...
[04:47] <SlackUX> goofi: I've only used it once but I need more packages for my uncles install
[04:47] <rommer> CarlK: i tried to install kubuntu hoary with vmware and it didnt find the 'hard drive' to isntall to
[04:47] <queuetue> goofrider, You may want to add comments to them instead. :)
[04:48] <CarlK> Hamaguchi - no, ram, and then swap if you have it
[04:48] <SlackUX> goofrider: I've only used it once but I need more packages for my uncles install
[04:48] <Hamaguchi> in short, it will be gone upon reboot...ok thanks
[04:48] <SlackUX> damn!
[04:48] <goofrider> queuetue, that works too. my ways may not work for everyone.
[04:48] <CarlK> rommer - kubuntu is "different" so I can't say, but I know peopl;e have installed vanilla U to vmware on windows
[04:48] <rommer> ok
[04:49] <CarlK> Hamaguchi - yeah
[04:49] <goofrider> rommer, did u create a virtual disk file for vmware?
[04:49] <rommer> yea
[04:49] <CarlK> rommer - ther is #kubuntu (i think)
[04:49] <goofrider> and mounted it?
[04:49] <rommer> goofrider: i got debian to install no worries
[04:49] <goofrider> rommer, that's rather odd
[04:50] <goofrider> rommer, ever consider using debootstrap?
[04:50] <rommer> whats that
[04:50] <ShaneAu> goofrider, got any idea what I'd have to change (I'd say somethng to do with icmp flood protection) to fix the 3rd ping in traceroutes up?
[04:50] <CarlK> rommer - "it didnt find the 'hard drive' " - I am guessing you mean the setup where it lets you pick a drive?
[04:50] <goofrider> or u can install debian stable (with absolute minunum packages), then change the sources.list to Ubuntu's repo, then apt-get dis-upgrade
[04:51] <hackbard> hi!
[04:51] <PhantomFreak> goofrider: Can't seem to find xorgconfig anywhere, nor can I find the /etc/X11 directory, there aparently isn't a X11 dir on it!
[04:51] <rommer> you create a virtual disk, which is just a single file where linux is installed
[04:51] <ShaneAu> I see -m limit 1/s, should I change that?
[04:51] <SlackUX> goofrider: I just have cd 1
[04:52] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: are you sure you are seeking X11 and not x11? (capitalization)
[04:52] <hackbard> can someone please paste me the mdsum or cksum of latest 5.04 i386 cd iso image? thanks.
[04:52] <goofrider> ShaneAu, Edit->Prefences->Firewall->ICMP Filtering
[04:52] <hackbard> md5sum*
[04:52] <PhantomFreak> good question!
[04:52] <ShaneAu> That's off.
[04:52] <ShaneAu> I don't have it on, but I think it has rate limiting
[04:52] <goofrider> hackbard, can u please check the ubuntulinux.org ISO download page? it's RIGHT THERE
[04:52] <eric_> how can print in a windows box (attached at) from a ubuntu machine
[04:52] <ShaneAu> Which causes this pattern in traceroutes
[04:53] <ShaneAu>  1  0ms    0ms    0ms    UBUNTU [192.168.1.2] 
[04:53] <ShaneAu>  2  7ms    7ms     *     10.142.104.1
[04:53] <ShaneAu>  3  7ms    7ms     *     61.9.207.195
[04:53] <ShaneAu> And it goes on
[04:53] <ShaneAu> With the third being dropped
[04:53] <ShaneAu> Or blocked.
[04:53] <lotusleaf> hackbard: you mean this?: f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[04:53] <zenrox> eric_,  read www.ubuntuguid.org on printing to windows
[04:53] <eric_> thanks
[04:53] <goofrider> eric_, cups.org has a gr8 howto, please consult their excellent documentaion over there
[04:54] <zenrox> help us help you read all documation first
[04:54] <hackbard> lotusleaf: thanks
[04:54] <lotusleaf> hackbard: np
[04:54] <eric_> i do my best
[04:54] <hackbard> goofrider: oups, i didnt scroll down - sorry
[04:54] <goofrider> no apology needed
[04:55] <goofrider> ShaneAu, y not use disable all of IMCP filtering for now and check them back on one by one???
[04:55] <Recyclable> yo
[04:55] <PhantomFreak> Goofrider: That worked, but I still can't find the relevent files!
[04:55] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, what do u need to find again?
[04:55] <ShaneAu> I suppose so./
[04:55] <goofrider> where is find in xhcat?
[04:55] <forsaker8k6> hi people
[04:55] <Recyclable> any way of making grub default boot winxp instead of ubuntu?
[04:56] <forsaker8k6> can i ask you a simple simple simple question
[04:56] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is that what you are looking for?
[04:56] <ShaneAu> When I try to do a trace route firestarter "events" reports Just a heap of ICMP packets being blocked.
[04:56] <PhantomFreak> basically!
[04:56] <ShaneAu> One for each router along the route
[04:56] <Darksun> Hmm, how do I find out what version of X I'm using?
[04:56] <goofrider> Recyclable, add a "default" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst in the winxp section and remove the other one
[04:56] <ShaneAu> But I'll try that..
[04:56] <forsaker8k6> the bash command used to see how much space is occupied by a file :P?
[04:56] <CarlK> Recyclable - # vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:57] <casimir> forsaker8k6, du -h
[04:57] <goofrider> forsaker8k6, szie?
[04:57] <forsaker8k6> yep size.. tnx casimir
[04:57] <Mahl> Ive added another user...but im unable to log in with that other user...how do i configure my home directory?
[04:57] <CarlK> goofrider - isn't "default" only a global option?  like I have "default         0"
[04:58] <nobile> First stage instalation complete!!
[04:58] <nobile> yay
[04:58] <PhantomFreak> I beginning to do my nut here! I can't seem to find a program for editing setting for Xwindows!
[04:58] <forsaker8k6> nobile, are you installin gentoo? :P
[04:58] <goofrider> CarlK, I think if I recall correctly, u set a default parition to boot from by adding a deufalt line in that section in menu.lst. I may misremembered thouhg
[04:58] <CarlK> goofrider or "default saved" to use the what I previously booted
[04:59] <goofrider> CarlK, hmm.. u might be right
[04:59] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, xorgconfig
[04:59] <nobile> no, I'm installing ubuntu
[04:59] <PhantomFreak> Doesn't work! Or, doesn't exist!
[04:59] <nobile> it's rebooting now
[05:00] <forsaker8k6> oh.. sorry when i read stage.. my mind flys to gentoo:P
[05:00] <nobile> hehe
[05:00] <goofrider> /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgconfig
[05:00] <jamesio> anyone have experience running the smp kernel?
[05:00] <Mahl> Ive added another user...but im unable to log in with that other user...how do i configure my home directory?
[05:01] <nobile> heheh
[05:01] <CarlK> Mahl - how did you add it?
[05:01] <jamesio> I'll take that as a no...
[05:01] <goofrider> Mahl, what does the home dir has anything to do with not being able to login?
[05:01] <Mahl> Thru System>Administration>Users and Groups
[05:01] <goofrider> Mahl, yes and how did u add it?
[05:01] <CarlK> jamesh - I am sure "someone" has ;)
[05:02] <jamesio> hehe... yeah, "somewhere, out there..."
[05:02] <Mahl> i set the home dir to /home/else
[05:02] <jamesio> after 3 days of backing up my machine, I'm going to wipe it tonight and install ubuntu
[05:02] <goofrider> Mahl, add the user to the gdm group I think?
[05:02] <Mahl> ?
[05:03] <Mahl> Im able to "log in"
[05:03] <Mahl> but it logs straight out again
[05:03] <PhantomFreak> Goofrider: Sorry, not there!
[05:03] <Mahl> "the session lasted only 10 seconds or less blah blah"
[05:03] <CarlK> Mahl - does this box have a fat partition so you can share with windows?
[05:04] <Mahl> What are you on about?
[05:04] <Recyclable> could you repeat that again please chaps?
[05:04] <goofrider> Mahl, sorry nothing to do with gdm group. my bad
[05:04] <Recyclable> lost the command :\
[05:04] <PhantomFreak> Goofrider: Found xf86cfg though!
[05:05] <Recyclable> (changing grub to default boot winxp?)
[05:05] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: are you on warty or hoary?
[05:05] <DunkMaster> hello
[05:05] <goofrider> Mahl, it maybe a permission issue, check xorg/gnome-session log
[05:05] <hackbard> Mahl: 10 seconds? check /etc/passwd - is there sth like /bin/bash at the end of the users line?
[05:05] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, wait r u on Warty?
[05:05] <DunkMaster> i need a little help
[05:05] <CarlK> Mahl - I had a similare problem: I tried to put /home on a fat32 fs, and because it can't have permessions, something wouldn't create the /home/luser dir, and then logging in was a problem
[05:05] <DunkMaster> i installed ubuntu
[05:05] <PhantomFreak> Warty I'm affraid! Hoary won't install!
[05:05] <Gadi> hey, anyone here using ubuntu in korean?
[05:05] <DunkMaster> it automaticly installed grub
[05:05] <CarlK> PhantomFreak - why won't it?
[05:05] <goofrider> PhantomFreak, u should have said so
[05:05] <Mahl> its on a Ext3 partition
[05:05] <goofrider> Warty uses XFree86 not Xorg
[05:06] <CarlK> Mahl - rats.
[05:06] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: no wonder that you don't have xorg in there :-p
[05:06] <DunkMaster> but when i try to boot it gives me error 18
[05:06] <nobile> =o
[05:06] <PhantomFreak> soory, didn't realise it was that different!
[05:06] <jamesio> you guys have any experience mirroring systems?
[05:06] <Mahl> else:x:1001:1002:Else Marie,,,:/home/else:/bin/bash
[05:06] <goofrider> jamesio, i use LVM, not raid though
[05:06] <Darksun> Are the drivers at https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27 any different to the fglrx-drivers package?
[05:06] <DunkMaster> please i need help
[05:06] <CarlK> jamesio - like 2 Boxes, or 2 drives in one box?
[05:07] <Recyclable> guys
[05:07] <goofrider> DunkMaster, did u try google for "grub error 18"???
[05:07] <CarlK> Recyclable - # vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:07] <jamesio> I have 2 dell poweredge servers (1.1 celerons, 1 gig, 80 gig hd) that I would like to set up as test systems, but if I change something on system 1, I want it migrated to system 2
[05:07] <Recyclable> how do i change winxp to be the deafault thing frub boots to?
[05:07] <Mahl> hackbard : else:x:1001:1002:Else Marie,,,:/home/else:/bin/bash
[05:07] <Recyclable> *grub
[05:07] <DunkMaster> didnt... yet
[05:07] <jaggi> where's my units program??
[05:07] <goofrider> DunkMaster, can u come back with more details with that error? cause otherwise we'll be just googling for u anyways
[05:07] <jamesio> recyclable, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:08] <goofrider> DunkMaster, help us helpu
[05:08] <jamesio> rec, it has a docs inside of it how to do it
[05:08] <CarlK> Recyclable - I would do "default saved"
[05:08] <hackbard> Mahl: looks good. strange error!
[05:08] <hackbard> Mahl: what does /var/log/messages say?
[05:09] <goofrider> jamesio, oh that kind of mirroring
[05:09] <Recyclable> jamesio, I don't get all that jibberish :P
[05:09] <CarlK> what is the command (script)  to enable the nvidia stuff?  something goofy like make-glx-work-in-xorg
[05:09] <jamesio> recyclable, are you in the file?
[05:09] <Recyclable> yes
[05:09] <queuetue> It would be nice if stunnel was packaged with an init and config script...  It seems that it used to, but then that was stopped.
[05:09] <DunkMaster> ok
[05:09] <goofrider> jamesio, i don't know how u can possibly achieve that with losing half your hair because IP address, net conf, hardware conf, hostnames, etc., all gets copied
[05:09] <Recyclable> i'm in the file
[05:10] <goofrider> without*** losing half your hair
[05:10] <DunkMaster> google said that theres something with partitions
[05:10] <Mahl> it says alot hackbard
[05:10] <Mahl> mainly something about .gconf
[05:10] <CarlK> Recyclable - change "default 0" to "default saved"
[05:10] <goofrider> DunkMaster, can u be a little more specific
[05:10] <Gadi> .join #ubuntu-ca
[05:10] <jamesio> recyclable, if you reboot, what number on the list would your xp be?
[05:10] <jamesio> mine was 4
[05:11] <Recyclable> it would be last
[05:11] <jamesio> recyclable, so I just put 3 as the boot number...
[05:11] <Recyclable> erm
[05:11] <DunkMaster> the user who had same problem said that partition magik fixed his problems
[05:11] <CarlK> jamesio - that's the hard way.  "default saved" is the easy way out of this ;)
[05:11] <nobile> omg, the instalation is complete_!!!!
[05:11] <goofrider> DunkMaster, alright I'll ask google brb
[05:11] <hackbard> Mahl: ah, you login from gdm?
[05:11] <DunkMaster> he also said that somehow his partitions got screwed up
[05:11] <Recyclable> it would be 6th
[05:11] <Mahl> yep hackbard
[05:11] <Recyclable> under other os's
[05:11] <jamesio> carlk, I tried default saved on mine and it would never do it for the xp partition, only the different ubuntu kernels
[05:11] <CarlK> Recyclable - I would do "default saved" - don't have to worry about it
[05:12] <jamesio> carlk, so I ended up switching to the number to force it
[05:12] <Shane> This is ... crap, still I disabled all the icmp stuff I could and firestater is still blocking some icmp packets when I do traceroutes
[05:12] <hackbard> Mahl: if so, try to login on vc/x (strg + alt + f2)
[05:12] <nobile> I have ubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:12] <CarlK> jamesio - did you have savedefault in the XP section?  (maybe I added that)
[05:12] <jamesio> carlk, also... on my default ubuntu install, it put "default saved" on each and every entry
[05:12] <Recyclable> erm
[05:12] <Mahl> ctrl alt f2?
[05:12] <Recyclable> jamesio, i see no default 0
[05:12] <jamesio> carlk, or savedefault (whatever the text was)
[05:12] <nobile> I'll be right back!
[05:12] <hackbard> Mahl: yep :) i am german :p sorry
[05:13] <goofrider> DunkMaster, Grub error 18
[05:13] <goofrider> info grub wrote:
[05:13] <goofrider> 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS. This error is returned when a read is attempted at a linear block address beyond the end of the BIOS translated area. This generally happens if your disk is larger than the BIOS can handle (512MB for (E)IDE disks on older machines or larger than 8GB in general).
[05:13] <Mahl> loggin in without x works
[05:13] <Mahl> says no home dir thou
[05:13] <Recyclable> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a non-linux OS
[05:13] <Recyclable> # on /dev/hda1
[05:13] <Recyclable> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[05:13] <Recyclable> root		(hd0,0)
[05:13] <Recyclable> savedefault
[05:13] <Recyclable> makeactive
[05:13] <Recyclable> chainloader	+1
[05:13] <Mahl> Cool hackbard im Norwegian :)
[05:13] <Recyclable> is my entry thing
[05:13] <Gadi> hackbard: do you use ubuntu in german?
[05:13] <CarlK> Recyclable - near the top of the file, change "default 0" to "default saved"
[05:13] <DunkMaster> erm
[05:13] <goofrider> DunkMaster, how big is your drive and how old is your chipset/CPU?
[05:13] <Mahl> "No directory: Loggin in with home=/" ...I dont want it to use my root dir
[05:14] <jamesio> yes... and also make sure none of the other entries have the savedefault in them
[05:14] <hackbard> Gadi: no, but my brother is joining here soon and we are going to install its notebook
[05:14] <DunkMaster> that HD is 3gb and CPU is 200MMX
[05:14] <CarlK> Recyclable - and never paste that much again
[05:14] <Recyclable> okay
[05:14] <Recyclable> hehehehe
[05:14] <Recyclable> sorry
[05:14] <Mahl> So how can I make it so that I can log in thru GDM hackbard
[05:14] <Recyclable> i'll save, reboot and see if it works
[05:14] <goofrider> DunkMaster, that should not be too big for the BIOS at all
[05:14] <Mahl> reconfigure gdm?
[05:14] <hackbard> Mahl: mkdir -p /home/else ; chown -R else.users /home/else
[05:14] <CarlK> Recyclable - boot, pick XP, boot in, restart and let it go
[05:14] <goofrider> Mahl, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:14] <CarlK> rats.
[05:14] <DunkMaster> i have another 1.5gb drive
[05:14] <jamesio> recyclable, but I'm warning you... I spent an hour booting many times trying to get grub to boot xp with the savedefault option
[05:15] <jamesio> recyclable, I ended up changing it back and putting a number in
[05:15] <Mahl> ok which one should I listen to
[05:15] <CarlK> jamesio - he is gone, but mine worked the first time
[05:15] <hackbard> Mahl: though i am not quite sure whether this will let you login via gdm!
[05:15] <jamesio> damn... missed that
[05:15] <jamesio> was looking at another screen while typing
[05:15] <goofrider> Mahl, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:15] <CarlK> jamesio - but I bet he comes back with "it didn't work" becaus the first time it will still default to Linux
[05:15] <lesshaste> what do I need to do to be able to play a theora video in mplayer?
[05:16] <PhantomFreak> Nothing on that machine is working now! So, I'm going to shutdown and aproach it from a different angle! I've got a live CD somewhere!
[05:16] <justin> Mahl: how did you "add" this other user?
[05:16] <Mahl> ok its done reconfiguring
[05:16] <jamesio> carlk, probably
[05:16] <DunkMaster> oh, is there anyway i can boot the installed system from the CD_
[05:16] <Mahl> thru gnome justin
[05:16] <DunkMaster> ?
[05:16] <Fator_Dee> PhantomFreak: I have a borked system too :-p
[05:16] <goofrider> DunkMaster, boot the CD
[05:16] <CarlK> lesshaste - don't really know, but this may help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:16] <Fator_Dee> burning knoppix now
[05:16] <Nalioth> howdy
[05:16] <goofrider> DunkMaster, goes into grub shell
[05:16] <thundrcleeze> I just booted my system and everything works, except the display is now 640x480@60hz.  It's not fun.
[05:16] <Fator_Dee> and hoping that it's only my motherboard that is borked and not my harddrive
[05:17] <justin> Mahl: eh.. delete it and add it again with adduser
[05:17] <Recyclable> it didn't work
[05:17] <DunkMaster> goofrider, it gives me the install
[05:17] <jamesio> carlk, you were right
[05:17] <DunkMaster> aaa
[05:17] <DunkMaster> grub shell
[05:17] <DunkMaster> then?
[05:17] <CarlK> lesshaste - but I dont think theora is a "restricted format", so don't go to nuts
[05:17] <Recyclable> carlk, it didn't work
[05:17] <goofrider> DunkMaster, goes into grub shell (forgot how_
[05:17] <CarlK> Recyclable - boot, pick XP, boot in, restart and let it go
[05:17] <goofrider> k here's the fun part
[05:17] <goofrider> > root(hd0,0)
[05:17] <Recyclable> okay
[05:17] <DunkMaster> damn, i dont know either goofrider
[05:17] <Recyclable> i'll try that
[05:17] <jamesio> recyclable, I had said after you left that I spent an hour booting without it ever working ... I ended up just forcing a number in the default and it took
[05:18] <jamesio> fudge
[05:18] <CarlK> Recyclable - the "saved" meas ti will boot into whatever you boteeed last...
[05:18] <CarlK> lol
[05:18] <goofrider> does anyone remember hot to get into grub shell pardon me
[05:18] <CarlK> that guy is quick
[05:18] <jamesio> no joke
[05:18] <lesshaste> CarlK, didn't really help though :)
[05:18] <jamesio> bet his gf hates that
[05:18] <CarlK> lol
[05:18] <hackbard> Gadi: in general alot of people use it in germany
[05:18] <goofrider> CarlK, how to enter grub shell?
[05:18] <rommer> im trying to install ubuntu as a virtual machine in vmware in winxp, is there any special options i need to change to get it to work
[05:18] <CarlK> goofrider - E?
[05:18] <Nalioth> theora should be totally opensource
[05:18] <goofrider> DunkMaster,  type E
[05:19] <DunkMaster> okay
[05:19] <jamesio> rommer, not at all.  just make sure to pick "other 2.6 linux"
[05:19] <goofrider> u see grub>  ??
[05:19] <CarlK> goofrider...  from the boot menu, or logged into a shell prompt?
[05:19] <Mahl> justin: Thanks! now...it asks for a room number? what the?
[05:19] <DunkMaster> im on the knoppix live CD atm
[05:19] <jamesio> rommer, worked perfectly for me
[05:19] <CarlK> wait... E is to edit the current line...
[05:19] <goofrider> CarlK,  boot to HDD using CD kernel
[05:19] <rommer> jamesio: i picked 'other linux'
[05:20] <jamesio> rommer, did you pick the "2.6" one or another "other"?
[05:20] <KarlosII> how long is it gonna take ubuntu to get the firefox 1.04 update in ?????
[05:20] <justin> Mahl: press enter?
[05:20] <Mahl> oki
[05:20] <rommer> jamesio: 'other linux'
[05:20] <goofrider> DunkMaster, hold on
[05:20] <DunkMaster> okay
[05:20] <jamesio> rommer, let me load up vmware and I'll run through a new install
[05:20] <Gadi> hackbard:  thanks.  I'm trying to enable korean, but its giving some probs
[05:20] <CarlK> KarlosII - the security patch may be in to Hoary, just not everything else that was added
[05:20] <dcraven> Who wants to be my guinea pig?
[05:21] <Gadi> thought I'd just find out about other folks with other langs
[05:21] <Gadi> brb
[05:21] <CarlK> dcraven - im game
[05:21] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: how?
[05:21] <Nalioth> dcraven, waht are you cooking up?
[05:21] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, how?
[05:21] <dcraven> haha
[05:21] <Nalioth> we're all suckers
[05:21] <jamesio> rommer, ok I picked "custom" from the initial layout.. then chose "Linux" and dropped down the list - at this point you should choose "Other Linux 2.6.x Kernel"
[05:21] <Mahl> ok justin  i managed to get in but I get alot of errors! Permission denied everywhere!
[05:21] <KarlosII> Carl security patch?
[05:21] <dcraven> I made a tarball of my current project and I want someone to install it and tell me if it works :)
[05:22] <Fator_Dee> dcraven: hmmm, suspicious ;-p
[05:22] <DunkMaster> lol
[05:22] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, only if you help me with my res problem :)
[05:22] <KarlosII> CarlK, security patch?
[05:22] <dcraven> The guinea pig needs to be a GNOME user too.
[05:22] <rommer> jamesio: ok ill try that
[05:22] <Klaas> Hi
[05:22] <Nalioth> dcraven, so what is the surprise?
[05:22] <dcraven> thundrcleeze: I dunno what you res problem is, but did you see the wiki page on it?
[05:23] <goofrider> i can't remember how to enter grub shell
[05:23] <dcraven> Nalioth: That doesn't matter... lol
[05:23] <Nalioth> dcraven, i run PPC. will your frankenstein work on it?
[05:23] <goofrider> fuck i only did it 20 times in a row last month
[05:23] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, no, I haven't seen any wiki page.
[05:23] <dcraven> Nalioth: it's written in Python, so I assume so.
[05:23] <CarlK> KarlosII - ff fixed a "security issue" that is part of the latestes ver, but the "ubuntu way" is to not add new fetures to the "stable" version (Hoary), just fix security issues
[05:23] <dcraven> thundrcleeze: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:23] <Klaas> hi everyone, i'm stuck ! when i'm trying to install ubuntu, the installer says he can't dedect a hard drive ( i've got a maxtor 80Gb drive on a promise SATA card )
[05:23] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, I'll check it out, thanks
[05:23] <dcraven> Nalioth: It's a serverless wiki applet.
[05:23] <CarlK> goofrider - find me the name of the script to enablle the nfica stuff, then I can reboot and figure out how to get to the grub shell ;)
[05:24] <goofrider> nfica?
[05:24] <dcraven> thundrcleeze: np. I don't even know what the problem is, so I dunno if that will fix it though ;)
[05:24] <CarlK> er, nvidia
[05:24] <jamesio> klaas, do you have the drive on the first channel as master?
[05:24] <Nalioth> dcraven, i have no clue what i would need with a wiki, much less test it (or how to test)
[05:24] <Klaas> yes, it's the only hard disk on the whole system and computer
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, It was working fine the last boot, but I just booted it and it's 640x480.
[05:24] <Klaas> i think sata is always master
[05:24] <jamesio> klaas, I had the same problem in a system and it turned out that the drive was on the second channel of the promise card and wouldn't be seen by ubuntu, but the bios saw it
[05:24] <goofrider> DunkMaster, got it
[05:25] <goofrider> DunkMaster, "C" key
[05:25] <DunkMaster> good
[05:25] <DunkMaster> ok
[05:25] <dcraven> Nalioth: I'm only interested in if it installs and starts/works at this point.
[05:25] <DunkMaster> then?
[05:25] <CarlK> C?!!
[05:25] <goofrider> boot cd, enter grub shell
[05:25] <goofrider> u see grub>  ???
[05:25] <CarlK> C for... sea shell!
[05:25] <dcraven> Nalioth: It's meant to be an alternative to Tomboy kinda.
[05:25] <DunkMaster> umm, as i said im on the live CD
[05:25] <KarlosII> CarlK, I haven't seen that fix in my updates since the announcement...but I'll have a closer look
[05:25] <DunkMaster> of DSL
[05:26] <Klaas> it's on port 1 , it's a SATA controller with 2 sata ports and one ide port
[05:26] <Nalioth> dcraven, well i can see if it runs...
[05:26] <Nalioth> dcraven, not into wikis or blogs or any of that user enablement stuff
[05:26] <Klaas> the dvdrom wich i use is on the motherboard, when i connect the dvd to the card, the system reboots when i try to boot form cd
[05:26] <goofrider> DunkMaster, wait... the live cd doesn't have a menu
[05:26] <jamesio> klaas, is the pata port in the middle?
[05:26] <rommer> jamesio: still says no partitionable media
[05:26] <Klaas> yes, momento, i'll give you the link
[05:26] <Klaas> its a tx2 pro or something
[05:27] <dcraven> Well the tarball is here if there are any takers --> http://tinyurl.com/18r
[05:27] <Mahl> Is there like any hotkeys to logout?
[05:27] <goofrider> DunkMaster, can u please just F2 F3 F4 etc and find other how to get into the grub shell? I'm not about to reboot just to find it out for u
[05:27] <Klaas> tx2 pro
[05:27] <rommer> jamesio: b4 it says that though, a window comes up saying something about DMA
[05:27] <dcraven> Keep me aprised of what is happening during install if anyone does it.
[05:27] <goofrider> DunkMaster, help me to help u
[05:27] <jamesio> rommer, did you create a hd for it in the vm settings?
[05:27] <lotusleaf> careful, if you click on too many tinyurl's you might get goatse'd
[05:27] <rommer> yea
[05:27] <DunkMaster> ok will try
[05:27] <rommer> jamesio: i've gotten debian to work with vmware
[05:27] <DunkMaster> Goofrider, you need help?
[05:27] <Klaas> Promise SATA/IDE 150TX2 Plus controller on IDE
[05:28] <jamesio> klaas, I have one of those cards, but have never tried it in ubuntu... it might just be too weird for it.
[05:28] <goofrider> DunkMaster, boot the live cd, at the prompt, use the F2 F3 F4 key to find out how to get into the grub shell
[05:28] <DunkMaster> ok
[05:28] <DunkMaster> thanx
[05:28] <Klaas> ohw
[05:28] <jamesio> rommer, I've installed ubuntu in vmware about 10 times... (while testing it to see if it was worth using)
[05:28] <goofrider> DunkMaster, once we get grub> then we're game
[05:28] <Mahl> justin ?
[05:28] <dcraven> It will involve solving dependancies no doubt too.. Maybe lots, so be warned?
[05:28] <jamesio> rommer, and it worked perfectly and simply each time.
[05:29] <DunkMaster> brb, will try it out
[05:29] <jamesio> rommer, are you creating the hd as a scsi one or ide one?
[05:29] <dcraven> lotusleaf: hehe.. that tinyurl is safe :)
[05:29] <Klaas> I'm new ;) but thanks for you information Jamesio
[05:29] <jamesio> rommer, I chose the default of scsi each time
[05:29] <lotusleaf> dcraven: that's what they all say. ;-)
[05:29] <jamesio> klaas, does your mb support sata?
[05:29] <dcraven> lotusleaf: true.. heh
[05:29] <rommer> jamesio: i chose the default
[05:29] <Klaas> no, it's a P3 mobo with a 450cpu and 128+32mb ram :D
[05:29] <rommer> ill make a new vm just to make sure
[05:30] <jamesio> rommer, ok... let me know
[05:30] <M3talGod> hi! can someone help me?
[05:30] <goofrider> oh I forgot , the live CD use isolinux as a bootloader not fucking grub
[05:30] <M3talGod> i try to install cedega and i get the following error:
[05:30] <goofrider> &*)%)(*^%)@(*
[05:30] <jamesio> klaas, by any chance do you have any other sata cards lying around?
[05:30] <M3talGod> dpkg --install cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb
[05:30] <M3talGod> (Reading database ... 58256 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:30] <M3talGod> Preparing to replace cedega 4.3-1 (using cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb) ...
[05:30] <M3talGod> Unpacking replacement cedega ...
[05:30] <M3talGod> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega:
[05:30] <M3talGod>  cedega depends on libpng3; however:
[05:30] <M3talGod>   Package libpng3 is not installed.
[05:30] <dcraven> I think I'm gonna need to make a deb.. It'll never work.
[05:30] <M3talGod> dpkg: error processing cedega (--install):
[05:30] <M3talGod>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:30] <M3talGod> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:30] <M3talGod>  cedega
[05:30] <lotusleaf> jesus!
[05:30] <jamesio> la la la
[05:30] <Mahl> Is there like any hotkeys to logout from a graphical session if it has all crashed??
[05:30] <lotusleaf> christ!
[05:30] <M3talGod> what should I do?
[05:30] <jamesio> superstar!
[05:30] <Nalioth> dcraven, that link goes nowhere
[05:31] <goofrider> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[05:31] <Mahl> that just restarts gnome
[05:31] <dcraven> Nalioth: Really? That's odd.
[05:31] <lotusleaf> M3talGod: hell if I know, but I just saved a bundle on my flood insurance by switching to ignore. ;)
[05:31] <Klaas> no, jamesio, this is the only sata card here
[05:31] <dcraven> hahaha
[05:31] <nobile> I am using ubuntu now ^^
[05:31] <goofrider> Mahl, and it logs out of the graphical session, doesn'; it?
[05:31] <Nalioth> dcraven, it redirects back to tinyurl and then nothing
[05:31] <M3talGod> i`m sorry man!
[05:31] <square> When the next Ubuntu release is out, can I upgrade to it using apt-get ( after modifying sourses.list) without actually downloading the CD image?
[05:32] <M3talGod> i did;nt meen to
[05:32] <Mahl> well
[05:32] <Nalioth> square yes
[05:32] <rommer> jamesio: i chose the default scsi
[05:32] <Mahl> the whole session has crashed
[05:32] <dcraven> Nalioth: http://arker.homelinux.org/~dcraven/newton-0.0.2.tar.gz
[05:32] <jamesio> klaas, sorry... the best thing I could do for you is to install it tonight when I get home or google for answers
[05:32] <lesshaste> can anyone play  http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog-images/monkey-hoot/WobblyWindowsIntro.ogg ?
[05:32] <jamesio> rommer, did it work?
[05:32] <goofrider> Mahl, then Ctrl-Alt-backspace will reatrt the graphical session
[05:32] <M3talGod> it says that libpng3 is not installed
[05:32] <dcraven> Nalioth: Install it with --prefix=/usr because it's an applet.
[05:32] <Mahl> well the "whole" session has crashed
[05:32] <Mahl> but its still running
[05:32] <Mahl> I want to kill it
[05:32] <M3talGod> when i try apt-get libpng3 it doesn't work
[05:32] <goofrider> Mahl, ps -A | grep gnome-session
[05:33] <rommer> jamesio: not sure yet
[05:33] <paul_> can someone help?, im getting an error like - sudo error gethostname() im trying to update and upgrade via the ubuntuaddon.zip bundle.
[05:33] <goofrider> Mahl then sudo  kill <pid>
[05:33] <nobile> haven't seen if there is a problem with the boot thingie =P brb!
[05:33] <square> Nalioth: thanks
[05:33] <Mahl> ..
[05:33] <CarlK> KarlosII - http://dev.personnelware.com:8888/14
[05:33] <Nalioth> dcraven, if its python, why does it need to be 'installed'?
[05:34] <goofrider> Mahl, is that what u wanna do? Othewise I think u need to be a bit more specific about what session u'r talking about
[05:34] <Nalioth> dcraven, believe your site is down
[05:34] <goofrider> Mahl, gnome-session, xorg? gdm?
[05:34] <CarlK> dcraven - PM me with instructions - I am only 1/2 here now
[05:34] <Mahl> Im running a second session on F8....
[05:34] <Mahl> I tried to restart gnome...thing just crashed
[05:34] <dcraven> Nalioth: The python modules get byte compiled, and put in the appropriate places. There is a server file that needs to be put in /usr/lib/bonobo/servers so that the applet is available by right-clicking on the panel etc etc...
[05:35] <goofrider> Mahl, oh another nested session
[05:35] <goofrider> Mahl, ps -A | grep gdm
[05:35] <goofrider> Mahl then sudo  kill <pid>
[05:35] <Klaas> Yeah, Jamesio, when you've got time, it would be realy GREAT if you could test that out, I'm asking some friends now, can you pm me your email adress? if I find the anser i can mail it to you, so you don't have to install it ;)
[05:35] <thundrcleeze> dcraven, that's strange.  I reconfigured x, it screwed itself up even more to where x wouldn't start, then I copied the broked conf file and restarted x, no problems.
[05:35] <goofrider> kill the hgiher pid #, of course
[05:35] <Nalioth> dcraven, we timed out on the .gz link you sent
[05:36] <goofrider> i think Mahl kill the current session he was in
[05:36] <goofrider> LMAO
[05:36] <dcraven> Nalioth: wtf...
[05:36] <paul_> lol
[05:37] <jamesio> klaas, I just have to see if I have a sata drive handy
[05:37] <dcraven> Hmmm.. I can get it from a remote location with wget.. I wonder what's up?
[05:37] <] BreliC[> does anyone know which linux program will handle the .pls video files available through Winamp?
[05:38] <] BreliC[> tried with mplayer and totem, didn't work
[05:38] <bob2> .pls isnt a video
[05:38] <bob2> it's a playlist
[05:38] <goofrider> it's just a playlist
[05:38] <Klaas> oh
[05:38] <Klaas> okej
[05:38] <] BreliC[> i know that, but it's the file that tells the player where the video is located
[05:38] <CarlK> dcraven - PM me with instructions - I am only 1/2 here now
[05:38] <goofrider> rename it to m3u and open with vlc or totem
[05:39] <] BreliC[> ok, i'll try that
[05:39] <dcraven> CarlK: what kind of instructions?
[05:39] <goofrider> just a random idea
[05:39] <thundrcleeze> does anyone know which program can handle divx files?  I got them to open with vlc, but only the audio track played.
[05:39] <goofrider> dcraven, udo u really want to know?
[05:39] <dcraven> goofrider: heh
[05:39] <Nalioth> ] BreliC[, what do you want to do with those files?
[05:39] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, w32codecs
[05:39] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, get it on backports.ubuntuforums.org
[05:39] <jamesio> rommer, did it work?
[05:40] <goofrider> don't use Marillat please
[05:40] <CarlK> dcraven - for testing
[05:40] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, I think I have it already, let me check.
[05:40] <dcraven> CarlK: Oh. Have you installed a source package before?
[05:40] <] BreliC[> Nalioth, in Winamp, you can also watch streaming shows, like SEinfeld, and I was just trying to get it to work in Linux
[05:40] <g14> thundrcleeze, search for gstreamer0.8-plugins in synaptix. You might also search for divx and install them both
[05:41] <] BreliC[> Nalioth, you know, those bored days at work, i need to relax too sometimes :)
[05:41] <petemc> i wrote a wee script to pull the shoutcast streams out of winamp
[05:41] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, did u tested video playback from HDD first?
[05:41] <alexandre> i need to use the xfree86 configuration tools with xorg, is it possible?
[05:41] <petemc> http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/jerk.m3u is the end result
[05:41] <CarlK> dcraven - yes.
[05:41] <Nalioth> ] BreliC[, they are text files, as the user above said, rename em .m3u and have a nice productive day
[05:42] <goofrider> alexandre, should be fine, but y not use xorgconfig?
[05:42] <thundrcleeze> g14, I've already got it.
[05:42] <] BreliC[> goofrider, don't know if i can save it.. they are .nsv files
[05:42] <jaggi> sometimes my wireless connection seems to stop working.. iwconfig shows it there -- the quality is the same as always (low), but it works normally.  When it doesn't work, I can deactivate and reactivate the Wireless connection and it works fine at that point.  I'm wondering if there's a way to refresh this connection without a full deactivate+activate?
[05:42] <alexandre> goofrider,  in fact i'm looking for my screens hsync/vsync
[05:42] <Nalioth> on that note, did y'all read the projected "sick day" <ROTS addiction> profit loss expected?
[05:42] <PhantomFreak> Final Report: The live CD produces the same results... I think there is something wrong with the graphics! The monitor keeps switching off when it gets to the GUI. Ubuntu does however work on my computer... My Dads capped out old machine however is another story!
[05:42] <g14> jaggi, only if you find a way to defy the laws of basic networking
[05:42] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, no, test it with an avi or something already on your hddd. if u don't have one, please download one and test it locally first
[05:43] <jaggi> gl4???
[05:43] <goofrider> alexandre, jsut use xrogconfig then. I'm sure u know what u'r doing if u asked abut XF86config
[05:43] <] BreliC[> goofrider, oh, video playback does work.. i have mplayer, vlc, totem and i haven't run into a file i can't play yet
[05:43] <g14> jaggi, No, there isn't a way. That was sarcasm
[05:43] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, ok then, and renaming it doesn't help
[05:43] <PhantomFreak> Thanks to Goofrider and the others for their help.
[05:43] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, wait.. nsv files are equivalent to ASF files
[05:43] <xml-blog> hi all, wondering if someone could help me out. have backports enabled and serious issues with libaspell. just about every application the depends on it is hosed (including gaim). afraid to remove because synaptic says all kinds of apps will be removed along with it - including ubuntu-desktop. i'm obviously a newbie and it scares the heck out of me to pull the trigger on something that could remove the desktop. any suggestions?
[05:44] <danboid> I'm running Hoary but I want transcode installed- is transcode in Breezy? What do I add to sources.list?
[05:44] <thundrcleeze> any other suggestions, g14?
[05:44] <goofrider> xml-blog, try apt-get install -t hoary libaspell
[05:44] <jaggi> gl4, just that the level of wireless communication is different from the dhcp, etc.  It seems like there could be something where it might re-handshake with the router without the full de/activate..
[05:44] <jaggi> anyhow.. :)
[05:44] <g14> thundrcleeze, installing the divx stuff from synaptic made divx and xvid work perfectly for me, sorry
[05:45] <alexandre> goofrider, yes, but i still not have the hsync/vsync value for my two monitors. I want to use XF86config because it sometimes recognize monitors, and so i can get the value i need
[05:45] <jaggi> guess my irc is working, isn't it.. interesting that this works but web browser doesn't
[05:45] <xml-blog> goofrider, thanks will that work if I already have it installed?
[05:45] <g14> jaggi, in windows, the command to do something like that would be ipconfig /renew
[05:45] <goofrider> xml-blog, otherise, try apt-get install libaspell=x.x.xx (the version # is hoary)
[05:45] <Nalioth> danboid, do your research with uncle google, there are repositories out there with transcode available (if you cause the sun to nova, its your power loss)
[05:45] <g14> jaggi, to get a new lease from a DHCP server, it is going to disconnect your network connection
[05:46] <] BreliC[> goofrider, really?  hmm, let me try something
[05:46] <goofrider> xml-blog, either one should downgrade the lib. though if the current lib is the version needded by any apps, u need to dowgrade the app as well
[05:46] <Shufla> hello :)
[05:46] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, and ASF files, as u know, have DRM
[05:46] <xml-blog> thx goofrider
[05:46] <Shufla> where can i find information about user mode linux in ubuntu? (ubuntu as parent system)
[05:46] <jaggi> nah, I'd want this to maintain all current connections and just fix up the wireless when it gets goofed up
[05:47] <graabein> hi. how do i install the gdesklet goodweather?
[05:47] <jaggi> not using windows.. but I wonder if the "new" windows options to "fix connection" (I think they basically down it and up it again) are similar to /renew
[05:47] <jaggi> anyone here use the "units" program?  I'm trying to find it in the debian packages..
[05:47] <goofrider> ] BreliC[, it's been so long i touched ASF i forget all the problems, so that's about all I can help
[05:47] <Shufla> graabein: apt-cache search gdesklet weather
[05:48] <tritium> jaggi, the units package is in universe
[05:48] <Nalioth> goofrider, ASF have DRM?
[05:48] <nobile> why doesn't yum install xmms work here?
[05:48] <mindspore> sudo apt-get install xmms
[05:48] <paul_> i can tell you the windows version disables the network card and re enables, and renews connectoin - wheni use windows i have todo it all the time.
[05:48] <Nalioth> graabein, whats goodweather?
[05:49] <Nalioth> nobile, cuz we're not using a lame RPM based distro
[05:49] <nobile> =P
[05:49] <jeroen_> rpm = lame
[05:49] <jaggi> tritium, hmm
[05:49] <bdmp> Hi, can someone tell me if there is a command that will list my hardware specs? I can't figure out what model of comp I have so I want to compare it with lists on the net to figure it out.
[05:49] <graabein> Nalioth, www.pclinuxonline.com - click gdesklets...
[05:49] <nobile> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:49] <nobile> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:49] <nobile> what does that mean?
[05:49] <Nalioth> nobile, are you root?
[05:49] <jeroen_> nobile, that you're using synaptic
[05:49] <goofrider> nobile, did u sudo?
[05:49] <Shufla> nobile: no access. try with sudo.
[05:50] <goofrider> nobile, or r u running synaptic as well?
[05:50] <jaggi> searched for it, and on web.. units universe ... but I can't find it.. you *are* talking about the units program where you type in some value and type and it handles conversions?
[05:50] <nobile> I am root
[05:50] <jaggi> :)
[05:50] <jeroen_> nobile, or another program that uses apt-get
[05:50] <nobile> and I did sudo
[05:50] <goofrider> nobile, synaptic must be running
[05:50] <thundrcleeze> is there a way to restart my audio server?  It's looping.
[05:50] <nobile> what's synaptic?
[05:50] <Shinjan> hi folks
[05:50] <xml-blog> goofrider: entered sudo apt-get install libaspell15=0.50.5-5 and apt says the followinng will be removed ..openoffice.org... ubuntu-desktop. Should I be worried??
[05:50] <jeroen_> thundrcleeze, killall esd
[05:50] <bdmp> thats what i did just before too
[05:50] <goofrider> nobile, another package manager is locking the database
[05:50] <bdmp> listen to them nobile
[05:51] <nobile> how can I disable it?
[05:51] <thundrcleeze> thanks, jeroen_
[05:51] <bdmp> shut the program
[05:51] <goofrider> xml-blog, if u choose to, u can downgrade those other apps as well in the same action
[05:51] <jeroen_> nobile: synaptic is a cool graphical program which can do the same as apt-get
[05:51] <goofrider> xml-blog, apt-get intstall aaaaa=x.x.xx bbbbb=x.x.xx.....
[05:52] <bdmp> Can someone tell me a command to list my hardware specs?
[05:52] <paul_> is that what synaptic is. i cant run the gui for the updates... dont know why
[05:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Name of a package good for burning music CD compilations from mp3s?
[05:52] <nobile> hmm is it the thing that downloads the updates on my programs?
[05:52] <CarlK> bdmp - lshw
[05:52] <bdmp> thanks
[05:52] <xml-blog> goofrider: ahhh I see thanks, I get it now. I will research! Just out of curiosity is this a common issue for stuff to break with backports + breezy enabled
[05:52] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat, graveman, gnomebaker
[05:52] <jeroen_> nobile: the program that downloads updates also uses apt-get
[05:52] <FunnyLookinHat> tritium,  Thanks...  nice seeing you too  : )
[05:52] <nobile> oh, then that is why
[05:52] <foxiness> "File size limit exceeded" this msg after im create tar file like backup 12Gb but its stop on 4Gb is there idea here to go around this limit ?
[05:52] <goofrider> xml-blog, backports + breezy? bad bad bad
[05:52] <nobile> thanks
[05:53] <tritium> FunnyLookinHat, you too :)
[05:53] <nobile> so I must wait until it finished updating everything?
[05:53] <jeroen_> nobile, you'd better wait until it is ready
[05:53] <nobile> and then try again
[05:53] <jeroen_> nobile, yeah
[05:53] <goofrider> xml-blog, backports are breezy packages compiled for hoary
[05:53] <nobile> ok!
[05:53] <paul_> does apt-get update d/load theubuntuaddons.zip file?
[05:53] <nobile> thanks!
[05:53] <jeroen_> nobile, I suggest that you use synaptic. It is graphical, which you might prefer
[05:53] <Nalioth> nobile, two apt processes (synaptic and aptitude are frontends...) can't run at the same time (normally)
[05:53] <nobile> probably yes =)
[05:54] <jeroen_> System -> Administration -> Synaptic package manager
[05:54] <nobile> oh
[05:54] <goofrider> xml-blog, if u must mix them, please use /etc/apt/preferences to pin them correctly, see the pat-howto (keeping a mixed system cpater)
[05:54] <xml-blog> goofrider, so having the backports + bpstaging + deb http://manno.name/debian/ breezy cvs is probably the cause of all my woes
[05:54] <goofrider> xml-blog, holy fuck, u'r a dangerous man
[05:54] <xml-blog> goofrider, will do thanks for all the pointers. :)
[05:54] <jeroen_> xml-blog, yeah, that's dangerous 8-)
[05:55] <goofrider> xml-blog, I mix debian stable+sarge+sid +Marillat+rarewares.org+backports....
[05:55] <concept10> does anyone have acroread launch another tab in firefox 1.0.3?
[05:55] <goofrider> xml-blog, but I pin them all with different pin-priority
[05:55] <goofrider> xml-blog, and u must be VERY careful
[05:55] <zenlunatic> Is KDE 3.4 in Hoary?
[05:56] <zenlunatic> I'm not on Ubuntu ATM so I can't check.
[05:56] <jaggi> still can't find units for debian.. I found it's a gnu package though
[05:56] <jeroen_> zenlunatic, IIRC, yes
[05:57] <jeroen_> zenlunatic, yes, can confirm it
[05:57] <xml-blog> goofrider, I will google these topics to try and get it straight. but in the meantime - just to stop the hemorraging - of these which should I remove right away: 1. default ubuntu hoary stuff (multiverse) 2. marillat stable, testing, unstable 3. backports, extras, staging 4. manno.name/debian breezy cvs
[05:57] <goofrider> zenlunatic, try #kubuntu as well, they can probly serve u better
[05:58] <xml-blog> goofrider, jeroen_: thanks again for your help and patience with this newbie.
[05:58] <kutucape> walk
[05:58] <goofrider> xml-blog, definitely marillat has to go
[05:58] <kutucape> where
[05:58] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, what's wrong with marillat?
[05:58] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, too many bleeding edge incopatbile libs in the repo
[05:59] <xml-blog> I got all these from the ubuntuguide go figure ;)
[05:59] <paul_> lol me too
[05:59] <goofrider> xml-blog, the problem is Marillat carries too much stuff, lots of core libs as well, which conflicts with the de facto distro
[05:59] <zenlunatic> goofrider: I just don't feel like downloading another iso to check out the latest kde.
[05:59] <paul_> thats what im trying to install now - from the guide
[05:59] <goofrider> xml-blog, what's manno carries?
[06:00] <goofrider> zenlunatic, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:00] <zenlunatic> goofrider: When I reinstall ubuntu Hoary I want to try out the latest KDE.
[06:00] <goofrider> xml-blog, u need to consider what's in each repo and how much they overlap
[06:00] <goofrider> zenlunatic, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will get u everything that's on the kubuntu cd
[06:00] <thundrcleeze> crap. I didn't have the main repos enabled and must have been installing things from marillat by accident.
[06:01] <xml-blog> I don't remember why I added manno - advice of some guru that told me it had some package I wanted surely. I wanted pretty recent mono + mono develop and oo.org
[06:01] <zenlunatic> goofrider: Thanks.
[06:01] <goofrider> xml-blog, but backports have mono
[06:02] <bdmp> goofrider; can i do the same thing with ubuntu-desktop and get Gnome and everything since i have kubuntu?
[06:02] <goofrider> xml-blog, u can't just mix so many repo with overlaps. they'll conflcit. u need to priortize them and pin them. read the apt-get howto about pin-priority
[06:02] <krazykook> well i guess the Brazilians got it right when they said "The future is free and nothing can stop it"
[06:02] <goofrider> bdmp, yes
[06:02] <bdmp> cool
[06:02] <bdmp> thanks
[06:02] <xml-blog> yes, I think it was something else come to think of it.
[06:02] <goofrider> bdmp, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:02] <bdmp> thanks
[06:02] <flevour> hi, i have configured my printer trhough sys->admin->printing, but what if i try to print the test page it takes ages to start printing and it prints garbage, any ideas?
[06:02] <flevour> goofrider: i am trying again, sorry for repeating
[06:03] <xml-blog> goofrider, will do I'm logging the list of things I need to read
[06:03] <krazykook> and i heard via was designing a new motherboard which will have decss in it so we don't have to break any laws to play dvds
[06:03] <goofrider> xml-blog, and BTW, just to let u know. Pin: release o=Unbuntu s=hoary-secuirty  doesn't work
[06:03] <goofrider> s=hoary-secuirty ==> s=hoary
[06:03] <xml-blog> hmm ok.
[06:03] <goofrider> there's a bug I think. I filed a bug report.
[06:04] <krazykook> so it does look very much like the future is free and nothing can stop this
[06:04] <goofrider> flevour, can u remind me what's your problem?
[06:04] <xml-blog> out of curiosity is this something that should be updated in the guide
[06:04] <thundrcleeze> krazykook, I doubt that.
[06:04] <goofrider> xml-blog, APT howto is a must
[06:04] <flevour> goofrider: i have just written it above my message to you
[06:04] <goofrider> and visit every URL of your deb lines, and see what packages they have and see how they overlap and pin accordingly
[06:04] <xml-blog> I'm printing hardcopy now... and brewing some starbucks ;)
[06:05] <goofrider> flevour, oh sorry. I just now sees it
[06:05] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: how would you propose to stop it....we are not using libdecss or win32codecs....or any proprietary formats and the mobo manufacturers are going to include the missing pieces in the hardware so we don't have to violate any laws
[06:05] <goofrider> flevour, u pciked the correct drive?
[06:05] <goofrider> driver?
[06:05] <flevour> godsmoke: yes
[06:05] <flevour> goofrider: yes
[06:05] <goofrider> flevour, and is the LPT port in the correct mode?
[06:06] <xml-blog> hey, thanks again I really appreciate it. ubuntu and apt-get rock, but it's easy to get in trouble if you don't RTFM ;)
[06:06] <goofrider> EPP/ECP/etc?
[06:06] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: it looks like the future is free...with the help of via and others
[06:06] <flevour> goofrider: how do i check that? never heeard of LPT modes. LPT stands for ...?
[06:06] <jeroen_> krazykook, what's wrong with decss?
[06:06] <goofrider> xml-blog, nothing another apt-get won't fix, if u know what your'e doing. u can downgrade as well as upgrade
[06:07] <krazykook> jeroen_: well we cannot  use it in the US...so via is going to put it in the mobo for us
[06:07] <goofrider> flevour, u know, I don't even know how to check that in linux... LOL
[06:07] <jeroen_> krazykook, yeah, well, US.. :/
[06:07] <goofrider> flevour, what printer is it?
[06:07] <thundrcleeze> I don't disagree with your first statement, though I am skeptical.  Do you have a link for that?  "The future is free" statement is pretty broad and vague.
[06:07] <xml-blog> goofrider, glad to hear it. I lost gaim, plus my vimspell goes nuts and Tomboy craps out. I'm anxious to get it all straight.
[06:07] <flevour> goofrider: laserjet 1300 HP
[06:08] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: yes i had a link...i was reading a news article about the Brazilian government and it was one of their official statements
[06:08] <krazykook> thundrcleeze: and they are right
[06:08] <goofrider> xml-blog, just add    APT::Default-Release "hoary"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf  (create it if it does not exist) and install gaim again. Default release = pin priority 990
[06:08] <goofrider> xml-blog, unpinned repo defaults to 500
[06:09] <paul__> Anyone: I can't get unrar to work, can't install it. anyone know how?
[06:09] <xml-blog> awesome.
[06:09] <jeroen_> q: what is the difference between /etc/apt/apt.conf and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d?
[06:09] <flevour> goofrider: unfortunately cups log doesnt help very much
[06:09] <xml-blog> .d ios a directory
[06:09] <goofrider> /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:09] <Nalioth> paul_, did you install unrar-nonfree? or what?
[06:10] <goofrider> the directory is there, don't worry, create an apt.conf as well
[06:10] <goofrider> and add the line
[06:10] <goofrider> flevour, what does it say anyways?
[06:10] <jeroen_> goofrider: So I just need to creat new apt.conf?
[06:10] <jeroen_> goofrider: I'm reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[06:10] <paul__> i've downloaded it. But i don't know how to install it. New to linux.
[06:11] <goofrider> jeroen_,  apt.conf is used for APT::Default-Release and other settings. for pinning repos u use /etc/pat/preference
[06:11] <jeroen_> paul__, is it a .tar.gz or .deb?
[06:11] <goofrider> there's nothing I know I didn't learn from the apt-howto (and trial and error)
[06:11] <goofrider> so have fun
[06:12] <jeroen_> goofrider, thanks! Just wondering why it wasn't there ;)
[06:12] <paul_> goofrider can you help me with this one? sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[06:12] <xml-blog> goofrider, not to sound like a broken reocrd but it isn't going to royally scrwe everything when I say "yes" to apt-get when removing the stuff that also removes ubuntu-desktop?
[06:12] <goofrider> paul_,  do u have a /etc/hostname file?
[06:12] <paul__> it's .dep
[06:12] <goofrider> xml-blog, ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[06:13] <goofrider> it contains nothing
[06:13] <paul_> dont know - probly not.
[06:13] <v3trae> hello fellas <--- rop10
[06:13] <xml-blog> thx. ok - just sounds scary ;)
[06:13] <jeroen_> goofrider, is version Hoary or hoary?
[06:13] <Nalioth> who can sent paul_ _ to an apt-get howto?
[06:13] <goofrider> xml-blog, it just depends on all the packages that in the ubnutu desktop envir so u can just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to install the whole thing for convinience
[06:14] <goofrider> jeroen_,     APT::Default-Release "hoary";
[06:14] <jeroen_> goofrider, thx :D
[06:14] <xml-blog> i see. just migrated from win where you learn to fear the slightest config changes...off to read now thanks!
[06:14] <goofrider> do not forget trailing semicolon
[06:14] <Nalioth> paul__ recommend you google the ubuntulinux.org site for "apt-get" apt is the package (software) manager for ubuntu
[06:14] <v3trae> does cedega/winex work as well on Ubuntu/kubuntu as it does on say gentoo?
[06:14] <goofrider> xml-blog, salut to users who RTFM
[06:14] <pfox> can i get the gnome calendar in the clock to display bank holidays in the uk?
[06:15] <paul__> ok, will do. thanks
[06:15] <xml-blog> thx. salute to people like you that tell us what M to RTF and who give us help in spite of our ignorance!
[06:15] <dos000> anyone explain why i get "mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /opt-001/ busy" i know /opt-001 is not busy
[06:15] <goofrider> paul__,  actually, look for the apt-howto
[06:15] <xml-blog> I will say the ubuntu communtiy is awesome. thanks for helping make it what it is
[06:15] <goofrider> it's the definitive guide to apt. Everything I know came from it (+ trial&error)
[06:16] <goofrider> and I've only had hoary for, um... 1-1/2 months?
[06:16] <mindspore> xml-blod: i agree.
[06:16] <v3trae> anyone use cedega/winex on ubuntu?
[06:16] <flevour> goofrider: i will post the log somewhere, wiat a min
[06:16] <goofrider> never really used desktop linux b4
[06:16] <ablyss> i use wine
[06:16] <v3trae> Ablyss, you use it to run any games?
[06:16] <goofrider> I'm liking it though
[06:16] <jeroen_> goofrider, it's good, huh? :)
[06:16] <ablyss> v3trae, no just mirc and wordperfect
[06:16] <paul_> goofrider how do i create the etc/hostname file?
[06:17] <jeroen_> ablyss, why mirc?
[06:17] <ablyss> because xchat sucks?
[06:17] <v3trae> ablyss, how does wine compare to winex?
[06:17] <goofrider> sudo echo computername > /etc/hostname
[06:17] <xml-blog> sudo touch /etc/hostname
[06:17] <jeroen_> v3trae, winex is aimed at games
[06:17] <ablyss> v3trae, i would not know
[06:17] <xml-blog> :) haha yours was better, goofrider
[06:18] <v3trae> K well winex turned into cedega for games, and its supposibly runs better
[06:18] <v3trae> ablyss, you really dont like xchat? >_<
[06:18] <ablyss> only game i play is unreal tournment
[06:18] <v3trae> eww
[06:18] <goofrider> jeroen_, I don't know. I never feel so good about an OS, not even OSX
[06:18] <v3trae> ^_^
[06:18] <ablyss> :P
[06:19] <v3trae> I personally like how xchat shows you when someone is replying to you... makes it alot easier in rooms filled with bots
[06:19] <goofrider> flevour, i don't know how much i can be of help but i'll sure look at the logfile
[06:19] <goofrider> v3trae,  but any modern IRC clients do that
[06:20] <goofrider> v3trae, like what did u used to use? telnet? bitchX?
[06:20] <v3trae> goofrider, i've really only used mIRC on my windows box, and it doesn't do that
[06:20] <ablyss> i find mirc easier to script in verses xchat.. other than that xchat is okay
[06:21] <Nalioth> telnet, <snort> love that raw feeling!
[06:21] <Fator_Dee> could anyone know why in boot I would suddenly get hundreds of lines of just "----------------" on my screen?
[06:21] <Nalioth> v3trae, xchat is as scriptable, just dosnt have the user base of mirc
[06:21] <ablyss> plus, using it to connect to msn irc which xchat would be able to do
[06:22] <v3trae> i'd use telnet if i could figure it out ^_^
[06:22] <ablyss> wouldn't*, er
[06:22] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, keyboard got a cat sleeping on it?
[06:22] <goofrider> v3trae, mIRC sure does it. it has for a decade almost
[06:22] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: the thing is, my comp is suffering from sudden hang ups
[06:22] <jeroen_> goofrider, with the default version, is it safe to add backports and breezy repos? (Withouth them updating to new packages)
[06:22] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, check your heat situtation
[06:22] <v3trae> goofrider, thats interesting... i've honestly never seen it, i'll have to pay better attention iguess.
[06:22] <jeroen_> goofrider, I mean:    APT::Default-Release "version";
[06:23] <jamesio> anyone have a lanboy pro case?
[06:23] <goofrider> jeroen_, that makes hoary the default, means pin-priority 990
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: it's not overheating
[06:23] <flevour> goofrider: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FXjJIF83.html
[06:23] <goofrider> all other repo is 500
[06:23] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, do you dual boot?
[06:23] <jeroen_> goofrider, so it won't install backports unless I explicitly tell it to?
[06:23] <goofrider> installed packages are 100
[06:23] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: no
[06:24] <goofrider> jeroen_, nope, not even if they have a higher version than your instaleed one
[06:24] <xml-blog> that was my problem
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: and the hang ups only appear within an hour of when I booted up in the morning, not in the afternoon or evening :-\
[06:24] <goofrider> jeroen_, and then, u should add an /etc/apt/preferences to control pin-prioity for each repo
[06:24] <xml-blog> i foolishly said "yes" to newer versions
[06:24] <xml-blog> thinking - hey new = better
[06:24] <xml-blog> haha
[06:24] <jeroen_> goofrider, great :) now where do I find the deb blabla for breezy?
[06:24] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: my brother thought that there could be some strange problem in the motherboard (it is an old computer)
[06:24] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, weird
[06:25] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, yes i was thinking a hardware malfunction
[06:25] <goofrider> u can use apt-get policy <package>  so see the various version # and pin prioirty for that package, and see how apt selects what to install
[06:25] <v3trae> Thank you for the help sirs, i'll see you guys around... think i'm going to put ubuntu on my home box
[06:25] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: I booted it with knoppix and checked the hd's with smartctl and nothing alarming came up
[06:25] <goofrider> jeroen_, check the wiki for breezy repo, but DO NOT mix them with hoary
[06:25] <goofrider> flevour, i'll look @ it now
[06:26] <Nalioth> Fator_Dee, so you know its not the HDs, there are many more components that could be causing it
[06:26] <xml-blog> deb http://manno.name/debian/ breezy cvs
[06:26] <flevour> goofrider: thanks
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> Nalioth: and now I'm gathering courage to buut it again to see if those lines appear again :-\
[06:26] <xml-blog> I think that's it
[06:26] <Fator_Dee> *buut=boot
[06:26] <xml-blog> but you mught want to check that
[06:26] <xml-blog> ;)
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> I also checked the memories a week ago with memtest and they were fine
[06:27] <Nalioth> i'ts weird that it only happens in a finite time after startup, and not later on
[06:27] <Fator_Dee> yep
[06:28] <Fator_Dee> and I'm pissed off by the fact that I only need that comp for two months, after that I'd go to army for a year and then buy a new comp :-\
[06:28] <Fator_Dee> but no.. that bastard had to start on my right now
[06:29] <Fator_Dee> and now I stop my whining :-)
[06:29] <flevour> goofrider: it looks ok, except for that locale problem
[06:29] <goofrider> flevour, sorry but i can't see any hints in the log
[06:29] <flevour> goofrider: but its just a warning
[06:29] <goofrider> flevour, but u'r printing english and it just fell back on EN
[06:30] <flevour> goofrider: the sad part is that yesterday i randomly got it to print the test page at least from the web iface. but today it changed its mind again
[06:30] <goofrider> flevour, print another test page and see if there's another in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
[06:31] <goofrider> Fator_Dee,  u think there's a cron.daily script that's hogging your system?
[06:32] <goofrider> check your crontab
[06:32] <flevour> goofrider: only a May 13 18:31:41 localhost kernel: lp0: ECP mode
[06:32] <goofrider> maybe it's locatedb
[06:32] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: would it cause my screen to go black?
[06:32] <ryman> hmm my computer keeps hanging for no reason
[06:32] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, hmm... probly not
[06:32] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: but I'll check
[06:32] <jeroen_> ryman: PSU or heat problems are often the cause of that
[06:33] <Fator_Dee> or nvidia drivers for some
[06:33] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, but hardware problem should not corelate to a time of day. It's gotta be crontab or something
[06:33] <goofrider> flevour, I wish i can be more helpful. I think u should try posting a thread in cups.org and ubuntuforums.org, and search the msgs there as well
[06:33] <Nalioth> y'all be good
[06:34] <Olin57> what's up
[06:34] <goofrider> HP printers are very popular, I'm sure someone share your problems and might have some pointers for u
[06:34] <Olin57> anyone willing to have some ideas bounced off them?
[06:34] <goofrider> flevour, or keep coming back here and look for a real expert
[06:34] <goofrider> LOL
[06:34] <flevour> goofrider: lol
[06:35] <flevour> goofrider: do you think line 67 could be faulty in someway? it points to a non existing path
[06:35] <Olin57> well, I'll give it a shot anyways
[06:35] <ryman> jeroen_, I think its my HD
[06:35] <ryman> whats the best way to format a HD ?
[06:35] <goofrider> ryman, or bad memory, or too many HDDs and hence overtaxing the PSU which result in  voltage irregularity
[06:35] <jeroen_> ryman: use a program
[06:35] <jeroen_> ryman, run it from a floppy or CD
[06:35] <ryman> I want to format my HD and install a clean Ubuntu
[06:36] <Olin57> i've learned a great deal about fstab, so for a line to make my second hard drive accessable to the main user, a line could look like this....
[06:36] <ryman> jeroen_, whats the program name ?
[06:36] <orathon> hey how do i open the folder ~/.icons ??
[06:36] <goofrider> flevour, hmm... maybe.. I really can't tell. but have u try editing /etc/cups/* manually?
[06:36] <Olin57> /dev/sdb1     /Gdrive    ntfs     auto,user,exec,rw    0    1
[06:36] <goofrider> the conf files should have plenty of helpful hints
[06:36] <jeroen_> I don't know which one is good, but you could use stuff like parted
[06:37] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: the thing is, I don't know if these crons could cause that kind of things
[06:37] <ryman> jeroen_, thanks
[06:37] <Olin57> can anyone see any problems w/ the above mentioned line?
[06:37] <xml-blog> orathon, View -> Show hidden files
[06:37] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, just check the crontab's daily entry to see if something is running @ the same time of day
[06:37] <goofrider> Fator_Dee,  and check /var/log/* for everything's running at that time of day as well
[06:37] <jeroen_> orathon, you just type it in the address bar, use ctrl+H, or type in a terminal nautilus /home/username/.blabla
[06:37] <orathon> xml-blog, iam to copy two folders into that dir but i dont know were it is...
[06:38] <Olin57> I'll take that as a no
[06:38] <Olin57> woooo
[06:38] <jeroen_> orathon: ctrl+H
[06:38] <Behemoth> hello again
[06:38] <jeroen_> Behemoth, hi!
[06:38] <goofrider> Olin57, all is well with that fstab i think
[06:38] <Olin57> goofrider, thank you much
[06:39] <xml-blog> orathon, should be in your home folder
[06:39] <jeroen_> orathon: or (in a terminal): cp fileyouwanttocopy /.placeyouwantittogo/fileyouwanttocopy
[06:39] <goofrider> Olin57, don't think me. u won't know it if I'm lying anyways
[06:39] <xml-blog> orathon
[06:39] <xml-blog> orathon, try ls -a
[06:39] <xml-blog> in your home folder
[06:40] <xml-blog> cp stuffyouwanttocopy ~/.icons
[06:40] <bdmp> Howdy, I am looking to set up some wireless on my comp.  Can someone walk me through the concept of setting it up?
[06:40] <flevour> godsmoke: yeah, but maybe with not enough fantasy
[06:40] <flevour> goofrider: yeah, but maybe with not enough fantasy
[06:40] <Behemoth> can someone help me a little, I just ran ubuntu with noapic option as suggested by wiki (hardware laptop part) and now USB doesnt work, but my touchpad started to work (without installing the driver....) how can I get the USB back?
[06:40] <CarlK> bdmp - plug it in.  good chance it will just work
[06:41] <bdmp> it is already installed
[06:41] <flevour> goofrider: the heard part is that it sounds to me like a general problem, someone with a different printer could have run into it and i could be not so lucky to find out
[06:41] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: nothing seems to be the problem :-/
[06:41] <bdmp> don't I have to set up the driver or something?
[06:41] <jeroen_> IcemanV9, why?
[06:41] <jeroen_> IcemanV9, cable > wireless
[06:42] <goofrider> bdmp, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[06:42] <Fator_Dee> jeroen_: it's quite hard to wardrive with cable connection :-)
[06:42] <IcemanV9> jeroen_: so my laptop doesn't tied down to cable :)
[06:43] <CarlK> bdmp, menu,system, admin, networking
[06:43] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: well, I'm going to boot that comp now and see if it's going to blow up
[06:44] <Sauron21> hi....I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to change my MAC address?I am having problems with some kind of network collision.....I know its something to do with "ldconfig" ...but other then that.....
[06:44] <bdmp> carlk; i don't have that path. what is admin?
[06:44] <IcemanV9> jeroen_: i once have a wireless network, but took it back due to a dropped connection often (found it was a bad chipset)
[06:44] <goofrider> flevour, that's the thing, the problem is so general that I really have no way to begin. I won't do any better troubleshooting it even if it were my printer
[06:45] <CarlK> bdmp - "administration" - 2nd option under "System" menu
[06:45] <IcemanV9> jeroen_: didn't have a chance to go back wireless yet
[06:45] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, did u find any suspicious process in /var/log and inittab?
[06:45] <CarlK> is there something like Netstumbler?
[06:45] <Sauron21> ....anyone?
[06:46] <bdmp> I have kubuntu
[06:46] <karljp> carl: nothing good
[06:46] <bdmp> thats why i can't find it.
[06:46] <flevour> goofrider: i am highly tempted to do a highly windowsish operation: reinstalling
[06:46] <karljp> it seems to be kismet if you can, which offers a lot mroe than netstumbler,
[06:46] <karljp> and nothing if you can't
[06:46] <goofrider> bdmp, there's  a couple thread in the ubuntuforums.org about how to setup wifi in KDE
[06:46] <flevour> goofrider: because it used to work
[06:46] <goofrider> go there
[06:46] <karljp> there's apradar, but it's crap
[06:46] <IcemanV9> bdmp: have u tried #kubuntu?
[06:46] <CarlK> bdmp - maybe /join #kubuntu
[06:46] <goofrider> flevour, nah, if anything, just reinstall cups
[06:47] <flevour> goofrider: i already tried that solution
[06:47] <karljp> what's the highest load average anyone's seen on a single processor machine?
[06:47] <goofrider> flevour, and pls a. RTFM (there are the admin manual and user manul @ cups.org that are essential, b. tinker with /etc/cups/cups.conf)
[06:47] <flevour> goofrider: i used to run hoary before the official release, maybe something is b0rked
[06:47] <karljp> not doing anything to deliberately force it up
[06:48] <bdmp> I didn;t know there was a channel. thanks
[06:48] <goofrider> karljp, wat about wifiradar?
[06:48] <flevour> goofrider: i will do that again, but i spent the full afternoon trying to debug this, this was the last try before leaving
[06:49] <goofrider> karljp, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto  look @ the bttom of that page for some tools
[06:49] <bdmp> Thanks yall
[06:49] <CarlK> goofrider - Reboot The F'n Machine?
[06:49] <goofrider> flevour, yeah cups can be a pain to get working. I had my fits to get windows to print to my usb printer connected to linux  over SMB
[06:49] <dingo> Does anyone here know how to set up the TV out ??
[06:50] <CarlK> dingo - what card?
[06:50] <xml-blog> CarlK - RTFM = Read the F$#@#@ Manual
[06:50] <goofrider> CarlK, it's linux. no reboot is ever requireed
[06:50] <flevour> goofrider: eh. maybe its not the day
[06:50] <tritium> dingo, which video card?
[06:50] <goofrider> CarlK, /etc/init.d/cups restart, maybe
[06:50] <dingo> CarlK, TNT2
[06:50] <zappy> hello :)
[06:50] <goofrider> CarlK, or wrost case. telinit 1, telinit 2
[06:50] <CarlK> goofrider - does telinit work with ubuntu?
[06:50] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: no I didn't and it booted perfectly now :-\
[06:50] <dingo> tritium, tnt2 card
[06:51] <goofrider> CarlK, telinit works with all POSIX compliant systems I think
[06:51] <CarlK> dingo - no clue
[06:51] <flevour> goofrider: thanks for the moral support, take care
[06:51] <goofrider> CarlK, telinit works on all linux, plus BSD, maybe OSX too
[06:51] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: I'll take my words back, it hang up on the login screen
[06:51] <goofrider> flevour, good luck
[06:52] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, disable GDM (apt-get remove gdm)
[06:52] <tritium> dingo, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz, particularly the TwinView section
[06:52] <CarlK> goofrider - ok, 1 and 2 work, but not 4 - in inittab: # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
[06:52] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, and reboot, see what happens
[06:52] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: the screen turned blank :-\
[06:52] <DunkMaster> okay
[06:52] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, or, boot in recovery mode (aka runlevel 1) and see where exactly it hangs
[06:52] <DunkMaster> i reinstalled the ubuntu
[06:52] <DunkMaster> and got grub to work
[06:52] <Fator_Dee> I'd say that this is no program fault
[06:52] <CarlK> dingo - if it is nvidia, thereis a TV out control thingy in synaptic
[06:53] <DunkMaster> what do i do next?
[06:53] <klaym> on Warty Warthog, should I download new themes for Metacity or for Warty? or do both go?
[06:53] <goofrider> CarlK, Unbuntu has only 1 getty console in runlevel 3-5
[06:53] <goofrider> instead of 6
[06:53] <klaym> sorry, Metacity or GTK?
[06:54] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, blank screen as in system freezes? or just balnk sscreenm but system still runs?
[06:54] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, maybe a screen refresh rate issue, or other screen related stuff
[06:54] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: blank screen as in black, and the light in the monitor blinks
[06:54] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: but wouldn't that have come up earlier?
[06:55] <Fator_Dee> and why would it work sometimes and sometimes not :-\
[06:55] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, but does the HDD still spins?
[06:55] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, push "Ctrl-Alt-F1"
[06:55] <tritium> dingo, also read "APPENDIX J: CONFIGURING TV-OUT"
[06:56] <Fator_Dee> goofrider: I turned the comp off, I'll borrow some stuff from friends and try with a different comp but the same hds
[06:56] <dingo> tritium, thanks.. but this is weird.. doing apt-get install nvidia-glx (haven't done so yet) and now it wants the CD.....
[06:56] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, blinking monitor light means no video signal, probly out of sync or OS requested a DPMI energy saving balnk screen
[06:56] <xMaximex> is there a wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwway to edit gnome menu withoooooooooooooooooooooooooooout using menu editor
[06:56] <tritium> dingo, comment out the 'deb cdrom' line (should be the first) in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:57] <goofrider> Fator_Dee, sounds like a video signal issue. If computer freeze, it either freezes 9with the image still on screen) or it coredumps
[06:57] <goofrider> or BSOD
[06:57] <goofrider> it doesn't go blank + lose video signal
[06:57] <tritium> dingo, it is on the CD, if you want to save a little time
[06:58] <DunkMaster> Goofrider
[06:58] <DunkMaster> i got into the grub shell
[06:58] <DunkMaster> i reinstalled ubuntu and it worked this time
[06:58] <DunkMaster> how do i boot the system?
[06:58] <klaym> can I install Metacity on Ubuntu, even if I'm using gtk?
[06:59] <CarlK> my mouse is all freaked out - like any move ment just warps it to some random edge of the screen -
[06:59] <CarlK> a reboot will fix, but guessing there is something I can poke to re-init it?
[07:00] <natarajmb> restart x server
[07:00] <CarlK> natarajmb - good enough
[07:00] <klaym> can I install Metacity themes on Ubuntu, even if I'm using gtk?
[07:00] <goofrider> DunkMaster, ??
[07:00] <misieq> hi there
[07:00] <misieq> i have a question
[07:00] <DunkMaster> how do i boot the system Goofrider?
[07:00] <DunkMaster> i mean Ubuntu
[07:00] <goofrider> DunkMaster, well, u boot and it shows u a boot menu
[07:00] <DunkMaster> yes
[07:00] <dingo> brb
[07:00] <goofrider> DunkMaster, unless u see something diffrent
[07:00] <DunkMaster> TAB shows the commands
[07:01] <CarlK> natarajmb - rats.. no help
[07:01] <goofrider> DunkMaster, oh so u r in grub shell
[07:01] <misieq> there was a magazine which came with ubuntu on dvd at my place recently
[07:01] <DunkMaster> yes
[07:01] <misieq> and i've just installed ubuntu
[07:01] <goofrider> DunkMaster, and u have only 1 partition?
[07:01] <DunkMaster> i didnt install the grub boot loader
[07:01] <DunkMaster> 3
[07:01] <DunkMaster> hda1 hda3 hda5
[07:01] <goofrider> u didn't install grub? what do u mean?
[07:01] <misieq> but it wants to download about 500 megs from the internet
[07:01] <goofrider> pls be specific
[07:01] <natarajmb> unload and load your mouse module
[07:02] <misieq> while all the packages are on the disc
[07:02] <DunkMaster> sorry, i have to run
[07:02] <DunkMaster> bbl
[07:02] <CarlK> misieq - they may be more recient updates
[07:02] <misieq> and how can make aptitude use these from the disc?
[07:03] <goofrider> misieq, r u using an old hoary preview cd?? or breezy?
[07:03] <misieq> because it would take ages before it will downlaod..
[07:03] <dcraven> goofrider: I doubt it's breezy.
[07:03] <goofrider> misieq, it should use CD by default
[07:03] <misieq> hoary 5.04
[07:03] <goofrider> misieq, otherwise, go back to configure apt, and choose "CDROM"
[07:03] <CarlK> goofrider - I think it uses the CD untill the reboot
[07:04] <misieq> so should i reboot?
[07:04] <goofrider> CarlK, the release version should not reuire any extra packages from the repo
[07:04] <CarlK> goofrider - it doesn't require, but the default is a local mirror, not the CD
[07:04] <karljp> goof: wifiradar is ok I guess
[07:04] <goofrider> CarlK, oh u r right
[07:05] <karljp> but it's worthless for monitoring signal quality
[07:05] <karljp> to help yo move around to find where to sit to get the best access
[07:05] <karljp> it's much better than apradar
[07:05] <misieq> there is a line looking like 'deb cdrom:[(some name here)}/ unstable main restricted' in my /etc/apt/sources.list file
[07:05] <misieq> and it's the first line
[07:06] <goofrider> karljp, I don't have wifi on my linux bos so I don't know. if u have an app that u'd like to suggest to be packaged for Universe, consult the wiki/forum
[07:06] <CarlK> karljp - know of a page of wifi utils for Linux?
[07:06] <karljp> goof: no, htere's isn't one.
[07:06] <misieq> so it shoul ude my cd, right?
[07:06] <misieq> *should use
[07:06] <karljp> carl: no idea.
[07:07] <karljp> there's no netstumbler that I've found
[07:07] <goofrider> karljp, check personaltelco,net, seattlewireless.net, nycwireless.net, etc
[07:07] <CarlK> the basic network dialog has a signal strength
[07:07] <karljp> yeah, but not a nice graph over time
[07:07] <goofrider> tons of community wifi projects use wiki and they have lots of info about linux apps
[07:07] <karljp> yes
[07:07] <karljp> and they all suck
[07:08] <karljp> the open source communites response so far has been, "oh, you should use kismet"
[07:08] <karljp> it does all of that
[07:08] <timmow> what on earth does the ubuntu network dialog do? It just crashes on me
[07:08] <goofrider> so use that
[07:08] <CarlK> lol
[07:08] <nanaban> Q: How do I make my gnome to auto create icons on the desktop when a drive is mount? I remember it used to do that long long time ago.
[07:08] <timmow> and does not seem to update /etc/network/interfaces
[07:08] <karljp> But I need need or want all of kismet, and kismet supports an extremely limited subset of wlan cards
[07:08] <karljp> Ijust want more than the non-kismet tools provide
[07:08] <CarlK> nanaban - mine just does.
[07:08] <nanaban> ah...
[07:09] <karljp> nanaban: it has problems with some firewire drives and flashcards
[07:09] <karljp> but it generally just works
[07:09] <goofrider> karljp, well then use the tools, join the mailing lists and help make tem better
[07:09] <karljp> yes, cos all I do with my day is work on every oss tool that needs improvement
[07:09] <karljp> I already work on two, and I have a day job
[07:09] <goofrider> nanaban, r u using NTFS drives? u might need to install ntfsprogs
[07:09] <nanaban> but my drives are just partitions on my hd
[07:09] <nanaban> 1 fat and 1 ntfs
[07:10] <nanaban> they are mounted at boot
[07:10] <karljp> oh yeah, you don't get them on your desktop
[07:10] <nanaban> I used to...
[07:10] <goofrider> nanaban, edit your fstab. internal HDDs don't automount
[07:10] <nanaban> and I kinda like it
[07:10] <nanaban> what?
[07:10] <Behemoth> goofrider, does ntfsprogs allows you to create files on ntfs partitions or just edit?
[07:10] <goofrider> Behemoth, ntfs driver in linux kernel is read-only
[07:11] <nanaban> goofrider, what do you mean?
[07:11] <goofrider> nanaban, edit /etc/fstab
[07:11] <nanaban> and?
[07:11] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, it does say in the description of the package that it allows write.
[07:11] <karljp> goof: and put what there?
[07:11] <karljp> his drives are mounted
[07:11] <karljp> he just doesn't have icons on the desktop
[07:11] <goofrider> karljp, u 'r right though. wifi support (as far as driver goes) in linux is kinda embarassing
[07:11] <thundrcleeze> goofrider, you're just supposed to run some fix program so it doesn't corrupt when it mounts in windows.
[07:11] <goofrider> BSD is even worse
[07:11] <Behemoth> goofrider, on what kernel is kubuntu based? cause lastest vanilla and gentoo support edit ntfs files too but not creation
[07:11] <karljp> well the driver world isn't too bad,
[07:12] <karljp> ndiswrapper is pretty reliable
[07:12] <Behemoth> goofrider, I mean ubuntu
[07:12] <karljp> if you didn't have ndiswrapper it would be basicalyl worthless though
[07:12] <nanaban> goofrider, please continue, what do I need to edit /etc/fstab
[07:12] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, IIRC, write support is unofficial and experiental. it might have chnaged recently but last time I check was a month ago
[07:12] <karljp> behemoth: there are some very nasty restrictions on editing ntfs files
[07:12] <karljp> I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole
[07:13] <goofrider> thundrcleeze, if u mount it read-only, u should be fine
[07:13] <karljp> and I find it odd that gentoo allows it by default
[07:13] <goofrider> Behemoth, kenrel 2.6.10
[07:13] <nanaban> ?? I just want my icons on desktop, I am happy with how my drives are mounted
[07:13] <goofrider> nanaban, RTFM. ask google about fstab. it depnds on your hardware configureation
[07:14] <CarlK> nanaban - oh, you mean all your normal partitins?
[07:14] <Stefan_> one last try: how to attach module  options to fcdsl, loaded by "capiinit"?
[07:14] <Behemoth> goofrider, weird it should support limited editing too ... oh well Ill just get rid of windows :D
[07:14] <karljp> fstab won't put icons on his desktop goofrider!
[07:14] <goofrider> nanaban, if u have any more trouble though, come back and we'll help u solve it
[07:14] <nanaban> goofrider, my fstab is alright,  I don't have problems mounting!
[07:14] <goofrider> nanaban, oh.. icons
[07:14] <nanaban> sigh.
[07:14] <karljp> (for about the third time ;)
[07:14] <goofrider> can't u just make a symlink?
[07:15] <nanaban> is that identical to an icon that will show up on my desktop on when the partition is mounted?
[07:15] <nanaban> ony when
[07:15] <goofrider> i know it;'s probly not the answer u want
[07:15] <nanaban> only when
[07:15] <karljp> it sort of works nanaba
[07:15] <karljp> I just tried it
[07:15] <karljp> the icon is pretty lame
[07:15] <karljp> but it will probably do what you want
[07:15] <CarlK> well, it won't come/go as the part is mounte/umounted
[07:16] <karljp> but he has them automounted
[07:16] <karljp> in fstab
[07:16] <Stefan_> or just tell me how to apply options to modules automatically ... please
[07:16] <Stefan_> no modules.conf etc ....
[07:16] <xml-blog> goofrider, btw halfway through apthowto from Debian docs. thanks for the pointers removed manno.name breezy cvs and marillat from sources, and downgraded to libaspell15=0.50.5-5 and *everything* is working again: gaim, tomboy, oo.org 1.9.95-2 ... just awesome thx
[07:16] <goofrider> Stefan_, did u try modules.conf?
[07:16] <xml-blog> now maybe i can re-enable vimspell
[07:16] <goofrider> xml-blog, np, glad I helped
[07:17] <Stefan_> goofrider: i was told ubuntu has none - but i tried, yes
[07:17] <goofrider> Stefan_, modutils?
[07:17] <CarlK> Stefan_ - long shot - near the bottem of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:17] <goofrider> Debian uses modutils, I was rather dumbfouned to see why it seems it's missing in Ubuntu
[07:17] <nanaban> ah, a sym link is different
[07:17] <Stefan_> goofrider: i added fcdsl into modutils.d whoch the options inside, but nothing
[07:18] <goofrider> Stefan_, I only build modules from DEB so i can't help much, try searching the ubuntuforums.org and ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[07:18] <Badness45> xine is not playing dvds
[07:18] <Badness45> it says
[07:18] <Stefan_> goofrider: i did ... ;(
[07:18] <goofrider> Stefan_, u need to run a util to update modutils
[07:19] <Badness45> the source seemed eencryped
[07:19] <Stefan_> goofrider: modules-update
[07:19] <karljp> have you installed libdvdcss?
[07:19] <Badness45> the source seemed encryptyed
[07:19] <goofrider> so your changes get pcikup. I forgot how, I did it once 3 years ago when I tried Debian for a week
[07:19] <Badness45> how i install that
[07:19] <CarlK> I have a KVM switch.  I boot Box A into X, mouse works.  I switch to BoxB, mouse works.  Back to A, mouse is freaked out (smallm move warps and opend my trash)
[07:19] <goofrider> Stefan_, yes
[07:19] <Stefan_> i did that
[07:19] <CarlK> restarting X doesn't help
[07:20] <goofrider> Stefan_, try #ubuntu-motu and see if they can help. Be nice though cuz it's not supposed to be a help ch
[07:20] <Stefan_> allright
[07:20] <goofrider> Badness45, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:20] <karljp> /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[07:20] <karljp> run that
[07:21] <Badness45> cause it was working yesterday
[07:21] <karljp> same dvd?
[07:21] <Badness45> imma try that karl
[07:21] <karljp> or different dvd?
[07:21] <Badness45> yeah
[07:21] <Badness45> in vlc too but how do i use the vlc
[07:21] <Badness45> when i go to dvd disc disc it doesn't play
[07:22] <goofrider> I love u all but I've had enough for the morning...
[07:22] <thundrcleeze> bye goofrider
[07:22] <goofrider> hope a made a diffrence for u all
[07:22] <goofrider> l8r
[07:24] <Badness45> karl it says no binary deb availble
[07:25] <karljp> isn't 64bit linux a blast
[07:25] <karljp> hope you're enjoying it :)
[07:25] <Badness45> i no right
[07:25] <karljp> if this is a fresh install
[07:26] <karljp> I'd seriously suggest junking it and just using 32bit
[07:26] <karljp> did you get your wireless working with ndis64 at all?
[07:26] <Badness45> i used a live cd yesterday maybe thats why
[07:26] <Badness45> nope no wireless
[07:26] <karljp> ahh, yeah, I couldn't get ndis to workon the livecd
[07:26] <karljp> worked first go once I'd isntalled
[07:26] <karljp> I need to go and put that back in the wiki
[07:27] <karljp> I did have a note abotu that but it's been removed
[07:27] <Badness45> xine says no mrl
[07:31] <Badness45> karl
[07:31] <Badness45> u there
[07:32] <mxpxpod> how would I find out what the horiz sync and vertrefresh values are for my ibook g4's lcd?
[07:33] <jeroen_> How do I search for (uninstalled) packagages using the command line?
[07:33] <JairunCaloth> mxpxpod: you might try the manufactures website
[07:33] <JairunCaloth> mxpxpod: or any documentation that came with your computer
[07:33] <HappyFool> jeroen_: apt-cache search
[07:33] <mxpxpod> JairunCaloth: hmm
[07:34] <jeroen_> mxpxpod, if Ubuntu detected this, just check the xorg.conf
[07:34] <HappyFool> jeroen_: try also apt-cache search --names-only
[07:34] <mxpxpod> jeroen_: I used an old config
[07:34] <Badness45> how do i install libdvdcss
[07:34] <jeroen_> HappyFool, thanks
[07:35] <HappyFool> Badness45: 'sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2' ?
[07:35] <guruyaya> Hi, someone knows where can I find codecs, to see video from totem player
[07:35] <guruyaya> ?
[07:36] <jeroen_> libdvdcss2
[07:36] <Pappa> marillat apt repos
[07:36] <jeroen_> see the wiki on restricted formats
[07:36] <HappyFool> guruyaya: this page might help: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:36] <HappyFool> try also http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:36] <Behemoth> guruyaya, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[07:36] <jeroen_> Behemoth, that's not enough for dvd playback
[07:36] <guruyaya> Ahha.
[07:37] <Behemoth> jeroen_, libdvdcss2 too then
[07:37] <Pappa> i'm having trouble with the special characters "  ".. they shop up as garbage on my friends box
[07:38] <Behemoth> Is DIVX codec included in w32codecs?
[07:38] <Madcat> I noticed it too that unicode characters aren't working correctly in ubuntu ...
[07:38] <Pappa> using aterm. with gnome-terminal they work, but pressing "f" in gnome-terminal brings up help. very annoying.
[07:38] <kent> Pappa, perhaps your friends box is not using UTF?  (not knowing that much about the problem,  this might be the cause..)
[07:39] <Madcat> Shouldn't UTF stuff be enabled by default ?
[07:39] <Pappa> unicode? they are in 8859-1* and ascii > num 127
[07:39] <HappyFool> Behemoth: well, there are several files that look divx related (divx.dll, e.g.) in that package
[07:39] <guruyaya> didn`t find the codecs,
[07:39] <guruyaya> I`ll search it again
[07:40] <HappyFool> guruyaya: read the wiki page and ubuntuguide.org
[07:40] <HappyFool> they have complete and fairly straightforward instructions
[07:41] <guruyaya> ok
[07:41] <guruyaya> Thanks
[07:43] <Badness45> it says libdvdcss2 not availble
[07:43] <jeroen_> Badness45, libdvdcss2 is not in Ubuntu repos
[07:43] <Badness45> ok in the xine dvd it say i have ti install
[07:43] <HappyFool> Badness45: you have marillat /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:43] <orathon> hey do anyone know a very good media player for playing mp3's ??? xmms just stops when i try to play the mp3 and totem movie player gives a stream error
[07:43] <Badness45> libdvdcss
[07:44] <goldfish> orathon: mp3blaster
[07:44] <jeroen_> orathon: see the wiki on restrictedformats
[07:44] <goldfish> orathon: its console based
[07:44] <karljp> anyone know what can be done to prevent this sort of thing happening?
[07:44] <karljp> cp: reading `2004_08_29 - Iron Mountain and climbing with Katie/CRW_6108.CRW': Input/output error
[07:45] <karljp> is there some sort of fsck that can be run that will mark certain sectors as not to be used?
[07:45] <Badness45> i dont no
[07:45] <Badness45> where can i get libdvdcss
[07:45] <orathon> when iam trying to install mp3 blaster it gives me a warning that the pagace cannot be verificated...
[07:45] <orathon> package*
[07:46] <orathon> badness45: try  "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss"
[07:47] <Badness45> it says not availble
[07:47] <orathon> hmm
[07:47] <Badness45> but is referred to another package
[07:47] <Badness45> package has no installation candidate
[07:47] <jeroen_> What are the names I need to use for backports and hoary when apt-pinning?
[07:48] <alejandro_ricove> there is way i can put my terminal integrated to the background of my desktop ?? any help will be useful ..thx
[07:49] <HappyFool> Badness45: have you followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org ?
[07:49] <goldfish> alejandro_ricove: are u using gnome ?
[07:50] <alejandro_ricove> ubuntu comes with gnome 2.10 doesnt it ?? i hace gnome ..i know that at least ..
[07:50] <orathon> hmm any other good mp3 player??
[07:50] <ivoks> alejandro_ricove yes, there is, hit ctrl alt f1
[07:50] <jeroen_> any expert apt-pinners here? ;)
[07:52] <alejandro_ricove> nope ...thx anyway but that is the console mode ..it is not what im looking ,,,but thanks
[07:52] <Behemoth> can someone tell me with a little apt-get install problem I cant seem to be able to install mplayer-386 (following ubuntuguide.org)
[07:52] <Scorpinf> i got a microsoft mouse, with 4 buttons + scroller, how can i add functionality to the mouse in ubuntu? it only supports 2 buttons
[07:52] <g14> alejandro_ricove, open up synaptic and search for root-tail. That is what you are looking for
[07:52] <goldfish> alejandro_ricove: there is root-tail, which sites on your background, but it's for tailing files in a terminal..
[07:53] <goldfish> heh
[07:53] <goldfish> I think u have ti remove your wallpaper for it to work on gnome
[07:53] <goldfish> *To
[07:53] <Behemoth> can someone help me with a little apt-get install problem? I cant seem to be able to install mplayer-386 (following ubuntuguide.org)
[07:54] <alejandro_ricove> apt-get install root-tail ??
[07:54] <simple_> i need help with installing ndiswrapper, i get an error 2 when i try, i'm using kubuntu 5.04 install
[07:55] <simple_> make [1]  : leave dir 'home/simple/ndiswrapper-0.11/driver'
[07:55] <simple_>  make *** [install]  error 2
[07:55] <simple_> that
[07:55] <Behemoth> can someone help me with a little apt-get install problem? I cant seem to be able to install mplayer-386 (following ubuntuguide.org) it says package has unresolvable dependencies
[07:55] <jeroen_> Behemoth, try to resolve the dependancies manually
[07:56] <g14> alejandro_ricove, yeah that should do it
[07:56] <Scorpinf> i got a microsoft mouse, with 4 buttons + scroller, how can i add functionality to the mouse in ubuntu? it only supports 2 buttons
[07:56] <Behemoth> jeroen_, just install dependency packages one by one?
[07:56] <alejandro_ricove> all right ... i just done it ... how do i exceute it ??
[07:57] <dcraven> Behemoth: I'd suggest losing the merrillat part of your sources.list and using the version in multi/universe.
[07:57] <matthew> hello to all
[07:57] <Scorpinf> any cool games that i can install on ubuntu?
[07:57] <g14> alejandro_ricove, dpkg -L | grep bin
[07:57] <g14> alejandro_ricove, that will tell you all of the binaries it installs
[07:57] <g14> alejandro_ricove, sorry, dpkg -L root-tail | grep bin
[07:58] <Behemoth> dcraven, can u explain what you mean? (sorry noob here)
[07:58] <matthew> has anyone worked with gpe and ubuntu
[07:58] <alejandro_ricove> /usr/bin
[07:58] <alejandro_ricove> /usr/bin/root-tail
[07:58] <jeroen_> Behemoth, yeah, I guess so
[07:59] <Behemoth> dcraven, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main only leave this in sources.list?
[07:59] <g14> alejandro_ricove, root-tail
[07:59] <matthew> I just setup gpe on an ipac 3835
[07:59] <matthew> now I am trying to sync with ubuntu
[07:59] <alejandro_ricove> You did not specify any files to tail
[08:00] <alejandro_ricove> what is file tailing anyway ?? what file do i have to specify for "tailing" ??
[08:00] <matthew> I think the best way would be with the usb cable and not even try with the serial cable -- any opinions?
[08:01] <HappyFool> tailing means to show the last bit, updating as the file changes
[08:01] <HappyFool> try 'root-tail /var/log/syslog' or something like that
[08:01] <dcraven> Behemoth: I'd comment that line out by putting a '#' in front of it. I think the guide also added the universe and multiverse repositorys. mplayer is in there.
[08:02] <eSPete> how do i get danish keyb-layout in Xfce, i had it in gnome...
[08:02] <waterbeetle> I have a laptop with ATI radeon mobility U1 graphics card and am trying to configure TV-out.  I looked at the wiki, couldn't find much, also downloaded atitvout, but it doesn't seem to do anything.  any ideas?
[08:03] <alejandro_ricove> ok thx ... sorry if i sounded rude sometime ... :P:P
[08:03] <Behemoth> dcraven, so what do I leave in there only original lines or only multiverse or universe?
[08:03] <mxpxpod> how do I boot into single user mode in ubuntu?
[08:04] <alejandro_ricove> im noob ..i have used windows for almost 20 years and i started to use linux about a week ago ...and you know what ? i fell in love with it :D:D:D
[08:04] <simple_> makeinstall error 2 ndiswrapper?
[08:04] <matthew> that is great alejandro
[08:04] <matthew> I am new as well
[08:04] <matthew> and really excited
[08:04] <mxpxpod> I messed up my xorg.conf and now when gdm starts, it freezes
[08:05] <mxpxpod> so I need to boot so gdm doesn't start
[08:05] <alejandro_ricove> it is really catchy for me this os :):)
[08:05] <dcraven> Behemoth: Original lines plus universe plus multivers. Do as the guide says, but just comment out the marillat lines.
[08:05] <alejandro_ricove> all right ...somebody can give me a short explanation of whats is root-tail and how/why to use it ?? :$:$
[08:05] <Behemoth> dcraven, ok will do
[08:07] <JairunCaloth> is xwine useful?
[08:07] <PoTs> Is there somewhere a howto to install ubuntu on a dual boot laptop?
[08:08] <pommes> I 'm M$ free for one day, I 'm enjoying it
[08:08] <matthew> does anyone think that evolution oneday will sync well with pda
[08:08] <alejandro_ricove> all right ...somebody can give me a short explanation of whats is root-tail and how/why to use it ?? :$:$
[08:08] <matthew> version 2.1.1
[08:08] <Nalioth> i welcome all of you folks who've slipped the chains of microsloth
[08:08] <matthew> thanks Nalioth
[08:08] <wezzer-> hello :)
[08:09] <cmg_> is anyone using SciTE (editor) with Ubuntu Hoary?  I grabbed it from Synaptic, and there are probs
[08:09] <matthew> if I could only find a strong Open CRM I would be totally amazed
[08:09] <HappyFool> alejandro_ricove: according to the package description, root-tail displays a file on the X root window (i.e., on the 'background')
[08:09] <HappyFool> so it will presumably scroll, e.g., a log file on your background
[08:09] <waterbeetle> PoTs, there are lots of howtos on dual booting linux/windows...  You should partition and put the win system on first, then ubuntu.  try googling dual boot linux
[08:10] <alejandro_ricove> i see...and there is any website with detailed info about it ?? :):)
[08:10] <Behemoth> dcraven, I removed marilat and now mplayer is not even in the tree
[08:10] <PoTs> waterbeetle: I know how to install debian, will installing ubuntu give any probs?
[08:10] <dcraven> Behemoth: You have the multiverse and universe lines in your sources.list file?
[08:11] <waterbeetle> PoTs, ubuntu was a very install, i don't see why there would be problems
[08:11] <Behemoth> dcraven, doh missing multiverse
[08:11] <dcraven> Behemoth: :)
[08:11] <eSPete> how do i get danish keyb-layout in Xfce, i had it in gnome...
[08:11] <dcraven> Behemoth: It's in multiverse due to license issues with certain media formats.
[08:11] <cmg_> btw, what is in multiverse?  i currently only use universe and the reg repository
[08:11] <matthew> what is the best way to do remote assitance from an ubuntu machine to another ubuntu machine
[08:12] <waterbeetle> I have a laptop with ATI radeon mobility U1 graphics card and am trying to configure TV-out.  I looked at the wiki, couldn't find much, also downloaded atitvout, but it doesn't seem to do anything.  any ideas?
[08:12] <Behemoth> dcraven, wich ones?
[08:12] <HappyFool> alejandro_ricove: try 'man root-tail' in a terminal to read some info about it
[08:13] <HappyFool> it doesn't seem to work here, even if i switch off the background image
[08:13] <dcraven> Behemoth: Which formats? Pretty much all of them except ogg.. haha
[08:13] <Behemoth> dcraven, LOL ok :D ok it worked Mplayer is installed
[08:13] <PoTs> waterbeetle: Thanks, I'll let you know how everything goes :)
[08:14] <cmg_> does anyone use SciTE editor with Ubuntu?
[08:14] <dcraven> Behemoth: Cool.
[08:14] <Dreamer3> i hosed the ownership of /var... how can i find out the correct permissions and reset everything?
[08:14] <Behemoth> dcraven, it there a package with Mplayer skins? or I just have to download them manually?
[08:14] <alejandro_ricove> as i understand now... root-tail is an application that displays a file to the x11 root windows (desktop i supposed)
[08:14] <waterbeetle> PoTs, you've done debian, use cfdisk to partition... setup the hardisks for linux, win, and swap... etc..
[08:15] <dcraven> Behemoth: I dunno. I don't even use mplayer.
[08:15] <shido6> if I loose mouse connectivity can I run gpm again?
[08:15] <alejandro_ricove> but it only displays files ?? can i use it as a terminal ??
[08:15] <mxpxpod> no one knows how to keep gdm from running on boot?
[08:15] <waterbeetle> PoTs, ubuntu will recognize the harddisks..
[08:15] <Behemoth> dcraven, ohok, what do you use if it's not a secret
[08:15] <dcraven> Behemoth: I just know of the conflicts with it regarding merillat.
[08:15] <JGL> I'm having problems setting up repositories...  I'm gettin error - "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" on last 3 repos
[08:15] <dcraven> Behemoth: I use totem.
[08:15] <goldfish> alejandro_ricove: it will display the files in a terminal
[08:15] <dcraven> Behemoth: But don't tell anybody. ;)
[08:15] <goldfish> alejandro_ricove: but u cant enter commands in it
[08:16] <goldfish> alejandro_ricove: why dont u get some transparency
[08:16] <goldfish> and leave a transparent terminal
[08:16] <goldfish> and use that
[08:16] <alejandro_ricove> im doing that from some minutes ago .. :P
[08:16] <HappyFool> Dreamer3: dunno. think you might be a bit screwed. different packages own different pieces of /var, afaict
[08:16] <waterbeetle> mxpxpod, I just learned the command CTRL-ALT-F1 today, which toggles to a prompt, you may try that after boot?
[08:16] <goldfish> heh
[08:16] <Dreamer3> HappyFool: i know it's not simple
[08:16] <dcraven> Behemoth: totem-xine to be more precise.
[08:17] <Dreamer3> HappyFool: but it's linux, it still kinda works, and i know it's fixable
[08:17] <HappyFool> heh
[08:17] <JairunCaloth> I guess I'm not supposed to use wine
[08:17] <HappyFool> i guess i could ls -lR /var and put it in a paste-bin for you ;)
[08:17] <Dreamer3> can anyone help me troubleshoot a VERY annoying firefox problem?
[08:17] <thundrcleeze> JairunCaloth, you're having trouble with wine too?
[08:17] <JairunCaloth> yes
[08:17] <thundrcleeze> what's your problem?
[08:18] <JairunCaloth> My problem is that I'm reading from an NTFS drive
[08:18] <JGL> can anyone help me with this repository gpg thing?
[08:19] <Florob> JGL: which repository gpg thing?
[08:19] <JGL> I'm having problems setting up repositories...  I'm gettin error - "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" on last 3 repos
[08:19] <JairunCaloth> I guess if I can't have full rw access I need to learn to use the winelib instead of just reading straight from the hdd
[08:20] <HappyFool> there's a wiki page with an example of how to add the marillat key
[08:20] <JGL> happyfool: i didn't see one, r u sure?
[08:20] <HappyFool> yip
[08:20] <HappyFool> one second
[08:21] <JairunCaloth> jgl: check out this page
[08:21] <JairunCaloth> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:21] <HappyFool> i'm on dial and apt-get upgrade is chewing up my bandwidth ;)
[08:21] <Behemoth> what output plugin should I use in XMMS to make it work?
[08:21] <JairunCaloth> got me on my feet and running in notime
[08:22] <HappyFool> JGL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:22] <JGL> happyfool: thnks, i'm readin it now...
[08:23] <waterbeetle> what are some of the chat channels on ubuntu?
[08:23] <HappyFool> well, this is one ;)
[08:23] <Florob> JGL: For the "quick" fix, this are the relevant commands:  `gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907; gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -`
[08:24] <thundrcleeze> Yeah, you can't have read/write yet with NTFS, at least not in a practical manner
[08:24] <Behemoth> can someone help me please? totem is able to play sound and system sounds are working too but everything else doesnt XMMS hangs when I loan and mp3 and in Audacity there are no selectable playback/recorder devices, what can cause that?
[08:25] <Behemoth> load*
[08:25] <thundrcleeze> JairunCaloth, I'm trying to play red alert through wine.  Since it's old, I didn't think there'd be too many problems
[08:25] <JairunCaloth> thundercleeze: I have windoze installed on a 40 gig HDD, and I popped in a little 3 gig to put ubuntu on. So bringing all my programs over isn't really a viable option either
[08:26] <JairunCaloth> unless I ported everything over, and just quit usuing winows so I could make room on the 40 gig
[08:26] <JairunCaloth> Games don't seem to work very well under wine, I havn't acctualy tried to run any yet
[08:26] <JairunCaloth> I'm just trying to get a working solution going
[08:26] <BitchX> how do you set screen resolution to higher than 800x600?
[08:27] <BitchX> is there a way to restart the X configuration?
[08:27] <HappyFool> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:27] <HappyFool> assuming you're on hoary
[08:27] <thundrcleeze> JairunCaloth, I've been told that ra works fine.  As for your problem, I guess the only way would be to reformat your drive for fat32 or something linux can read/write.
[08:28] <Behemoth> can someone help me please? totem is able to play sound and system sounds are working too but everything else doesnt, XMMS hangs when I load an mp3 and in Audacity there are no selectable playback/recorder devices, what can cause that?
[08:28] <nanot3ch> JairunCaloth: Under regular Wine games won't run well...you need Transgaming Cedega with full DirectX emulation for best gaming performance :)
[08:29] <thundrcleeze> nanot3ch, actually, that was for me.
[08:29] <JairunCaloth> thundrcleeze: yea, i've been planning on formatting my windows drive. not too happy with the idea of having to use fat32
[08:29] <nanot3ch> thundrcleeze: Oh, whoops :P
[08:29] <thundrcleeze> JairunCaloth, yeah.  Get ready to defrag every day.
[08:30] <Florob> JairunCaloth: Well, you can read and write ext3 from windows if that's any help (and you can read NTFS from linux very well)
[08:30] <nanot3ch> Behemoth: I think a problem with XMMS is that you need to use the ESD outpout instead of ALSA...I remember reading something about that...
[08:30] <JairunCaloth> thundrcleeze: RA is listed as working under wine.
[08:30] <levander> I just did the security update for firefox and now, when I download a file from sourceforge to a filename that already exists on the filesystem, firefox renames it to a very strange name.
[08:30] <levander> Anybody else get this?
[08:30] <JGL> happyfool: I got it right, thanks
[08:30] <JGL> bye
[08:31] <JairunCaloth> florob: I've already got my NTFS drive setup to read, I just need good RW access so I can run wine programs
[08:31] <Behemoth> nanot3ch, I dont even have ESD in output options
[08:32] <deejaykay> I am basically a Linux newb and I just installed Hoary 5.04
[08:32] <deejaykay> I have been trying for a while to get mp3 support for Rhythmbox, and the directions on the wiki here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats is insufficient.
[08:32] <deejaykay> I know that I need (1) the gstreamer0.8-mad package from the Hoary Hedgehog universe repository, but I cant seem to find it there. (2) when trying to install other mp3 related packages, I get an error: "Depends: libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but it is not installable"
[08:32] <deejaykay> Are there updated directions for this problem?
[08:32] <levander> When I download jdo-2.0-snapshot.jar twice, the 2nd one, Firefox is renaming to jdo-3.0-snapshot.jar.  It's not supposed to do that is it?
[08:32] <nanot3ch> Behemoth: ...uhh...hmm...I dont have the same problem then...I installed all the extra codecs and stuff though, maybe thats a problem?
[08:33] <nanot3ch> levander: ...lemme test then, one sec.
[08:33] <Behemoth> nanot3ch, I did the same ... oh well screw XMMS then :D Ill use totem ... any ideas for Audacity?
[08:33] <Florob> JairunCaloth: trust me you don't want to use wine, there is a linux equivalent for every windows app I know, you just will want your data, everything else is VERY unproductive. (there is a NTFS driver out there that ulitalizes the original windows drivers (and that for works nearly perfectly), but I've forgotten the name)
[08:33] <Nalioth> deejaykay, you may have to install from source the "uninstallable pkgs"
[08:33] <levander> nanot3ch: here's the link i downloaded twice to get the wierd name: http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jpox/jdo-2.0-snapshot.jar
[08:33] <JairunCaloth> deejaykay: you need http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:33] <nanot3ch> Behemoth: I don't use Audacity...:P....did you install all codecs and do most sound-fixes from ubuntuguide?
[08:34] <JairunCaloth> Florob: I'm interested in getting my windows games to work mostly.
[08:34] <deejaykay> JairunCaloth, thanks.  Do you think someone could update the ubuntu wiki about this?  The directions there are outdated and thats the first place I looked.
[08:34] <nanot3ch> levander: I dont have that problem...I'm using FireFox from the backports repository I believe, or debian universe...so maybe you dont have the latest version?
[08:34] <nanot3ch> levander: It just asks me if I want to over-write the old file....
[08:35] <dcraven> deejaykay: You are familiar with the concept of a wiki right?
[08:35] <levander> nanot3ch: I was very surprised to see today that ubuntu is patching their version of firefox with all the latest security updates
[08:35] <Behemoth> nanot3ch, I did all codecs havent reached soundfixes yet ... Ill see maybe it will correct it
[08:35] <Florob> JairunCaloth: Well what abour Cedega? (if you don't want to pay use the CVS version)
[08:35] <levander> nanot3ch: i am running the latest version in the ubuntu repositories.
[08:35] <karljp> anyone have any links on moving /home onto a new partition?
[08:35] <JairunCaloth> florob: what's the CVS version??
[08:35] <levander> nanot3ch: did you download the same link i did twice?
[08:35] <karljp> can I just tar up my /home as it stands,
[08:35] <thundrcleeze> Florob, I've spent hours trying to get CVS to work.  All futile.
[08:35] <nanot3ch> levander: I didnt download the same version, I just downloaded several misc. files :P
[08:36] <karljp> make the new parition, and mount it to /home and then untar to it?
[08:36] <deejaykay> dcraven, yes, but I dont feel like I can add anything useful.  I will update it if I can fix the problem with http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:36] <nanot3ch> Behemoth: sound fixes are in troubleshooting at the bottom
[08:36] <levander> nanot3ch: will you try that link i gave you above, just wait for it to download once, then try to download it again
[08:36] <HappyFool> karljp: you can untar (or just cp) before mounting
[08:36] <Behemoth> nanot3ch, ok
[08:36] <JairunCaloth> what is CVS?
[08:36] <nanot3ch> Florob: How do you get the CVS version of Cedega?
[08:36] <thundrcleeze> Florob, also, tell me a linux-equiv. for red alert.
[08:36] <HappyFool> karljp: it might be an idea to switch to single-user mode before doing the mount
[08:36] <levander> karljp: yeah, i've gotta link to /home on another partition, it's not a big deal
[08:37] <karljp> I guess that was where I was really confused about it,
[08:37] <dcraven> deejaykay: Cool, thanks. Probably those who had a problem with it are best suited to update it.
[08:37] <Florob> thundrcleeze: well, maybe except specific games, thats a point for you.
[08:37] <karljp> I really just wish I'd been able to setup lvm at install time
[08:37] <thundrcleeze> JairunCaloth, I don't know how Cedega will help solve your problems, it's a commercial fork of wine.  You still won't be able to r/w to NTFS.
[08:38] <levander> anybody is using cpan to install perl modules? I'm thinking about using cpan to install svk instead of the ubuntu repositories
[08:38] <Behemoth> JairunCaloth, CVS is a dayly sourcecode snapshot, basically an interactive directory where the devellopers put the code they create everyday
[08:38] <Florob> nanot3ch, JairunCaloth: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45 might get you started.
[08:38] <nanot3ch> Florob: Thanks!
[08:38] <levander> nanot3ch: r u trying that? or should I just go ahead and post something to ubuntuforums now?
[08:39] <Florob> thundrcleeze, JairunCaloth: the RW thing is true yes, give me a minute.
[08:39] <nufan> I've tried a few times in here...
[08:40] <nufan> ANyone know a way to set up a linux distro on an external hard drive?
[08:41] <Florob> thundrcleeze, JairunCaloth: Found it, I was thinking of captive, it uses the original ntfs.sys to  mount NTFS read/write, but I have never used this so you are on your own basically http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[08:42] <JairunCaloth> florob: thanks alot, maybe this will get me going
[08:42] <nufan> No one>
[08:42] <karljp> captive is meant to work, but it also hasn't been touched in 2-3 years
[08:42] <nufan> *?
[08:42] <karljp> so I personalyl don't touch it
[08:43] <karljp> and I don't know anyone that's used it recently
[08:43] <thundrcleeze> if it works, then why hasn't anyone used it?
[08:43] <karljp> precisely
[08:43] <karljp> makes me suspicious of how well it really worked
[08:43] <thundrcleeze> I mean, if it worked, you'd think that it'd be a part of every single distro.
[08:43] <Florob> karljp: in 2-3 years??? I first heard about it maybe a half year ago and i thought it was pretty new than hmm...
[08:43] <ggeller> Newbie question:  How do I get a list of what packages are in a apt repository?
[08:43] <karljp> go look at the last updates to it.
[08:44] <morf3o> please anyone know where i download ubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.iso
[08:44] <morf3o> bittorrent file don't work :(
[08:44] <Florob> thundrcleeze: maybe because you need the original ntfs.sys which is copyright by microsoft etc. also this IS included in knoppix
[08:44] <HappyFool> ggeller: what are you looking for? You could try browsing http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:44] <holycow> Florob, not anymore actually
[08:45] <ggeller> HappyFool:  I want to try out Zope and Plone.
[08:45] <Florob> holycow: i'm so outdated
[08:45] <Nalioth> ggeller, if you use synaptic, you can see all that is available to you at the moment
[08:45] <HappyFool> ggeller: try using apt-cache search --names-only zope
[08:46] <tremblay> Dumb question: Is there a way to reset my password?
[08:46] <HappyFool> ggeller: and apt-cache search --names-only plone
[08:46] <hellrazer> good afternoon people i have a problem i need to install tar.gz files i dont know the code vor untaring and installing im newly to linux need some help
[08:46] <tremblay> I changed my password using the "Users and groups" feature and I think it screwed it up.
[08:47] <ggeller> Maybe I need to add the "universe" archive in apt.conf?
[08:48] <HappyFool> ggeller: yeah, it looks like both zope and plone are in universe
[08:48] <Nalioth> ggeller, you need to look at /etc/apt/sources.list b4 you play with the universe
[08:48] <blueyed> tremblay: are you on 64bit?
[08:48] <tremblay> blueyed: Yes.
[08:48] <hellrazer> someone help me
[08:48] <hellrazer> please
[08:48] <HappyFool> ggeller: right, it's /etc/apt/sources.list, not apt.conf
[08:48] <blueyed> tremblay: I had the same problem.. might be related to that. You'll have to use "passwd" at console..
[08:49] <HappyFool> hellrazer: try 'tar tzf <filename>' to view the file
[08:49] <ggibeau> hellrazer: tar zxvf
[08:49] <HappyFool> actually, can't you just double click on it via nautilus?
[08:49] <hellrazer> ty very much
[08:49] <Nalioth> hellrazer, the "man" is your friend, as in open a terminal and type "man tar"
[08:50] <psychonate> Which java package do I need to install if I want the run time environment for use with a java plugin for Firefox?
[08:50] <psychonate> or must I download/install java from Sun's website?
[08:50] <ggeller> HappyFool: Thanks, it seems to be working.  I'm running apt-get update now.
[08:51] <Nalioth> teach the man to fish, y'all
[08:51] <HappyFool> and he'll sit next to the lake doing nothing all day? ;)
[08:51] <ggeller> Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat drinking beer for the rest of his life.
[08:52] <tremblay> blueyed: The cases were screwed up before, now it doesn't seem to recognize anything. I guess there's no way to reset it, eh? (damn security features) :P
[08:52] <psychonate> nvm, I see the FAQ
[08:52] <hellrazer> ok i got to view it  now how do i install the package?
[08:52] <hellrazer> tar zxvf
[08:52] <hellrazer> ?
[08:53] <blueyed> No, tremblay. And it annoys me that it made it into the release, because I've recognized it before (but forgot about it, because I do not use Gnome)..
[08:53] <HappyFool> tremblay: i imagine if you boot up into single-user mode you'll be able to change the password
[08:53] <hellrazer> sorry 4 this newbie dumpshit and disturbing u all with that
[08:53] <tremblay> HappyFool, How'd I do that?
[08:53] <HappyFool> hellrazer: tar zxvf will extract the tarfile into that directory
[08:54] <HappyFool> tremblay: um, not sure. maybe someone here knows?
[08:54] <HappyFool> i would guess appending an argument to the boot parameters, but i haven't tried it with ubuntu
[08:54] <hellrazer> ok the only thing that i need to know where the directrory is to push the file right? with root privilegs
[08:55] <Nalioth> hellrazer, there can be quite a lot of stuff to do btwn dumping a tar and having a running proggy
[08:55] <HappyFool> hellrazer: what is the package you wish to install?
[08:55] <HappyFool> is it not perhaps available in the ubuntu repositories?
[08:55] <hellrazer> firewfox
[08:55] <hellrazer> firefox sorry there is a new version available on the net
[08:55] <HappyFool> do you really need the latest version?
[08:56] <hellrazer> not really
[08:56] <blueyed> tremblay: you are on amd64 hoary (5.04), yes?
[08:56] <hellrazer> only 4 nice looking
[08:56] <blueyed> I'll file a bug.
[08:56] <blueyed> It's a serious bug IMHO.
[08:56] <hellrazer> not amd on i386
[08:56] <tremblay> blueyed: Yes.
[08:56] <hellrazer> if u mean me
[08:56] <alex2> an anyone extensively used the Hoary Starter Guide?
[08:57] <HappyFool> hellrazer: try extracting the file, maybe it has a file like README or INSTALL inside with install instructions
[08:57] <tremblay> How annoying. I guess I'll have to format again.
[08:57] <hellrazer> Happyfool ure right this is bullshit i dont need a damn new look to that browser its working like it there
[08:57] <HappyFool> i.e., just extract it in your home directory
[08:57] <hellrazer> i shouldnt stop a running system
[08:57] <hellrazer> hm..
[08:57] <HappyFool> um
[08:57] <HappyFool> ok
[08:57] <HappyFool> ;)
[08:57] <hellrazer> :-)
[08:58] <hellrazer> there arent many exploits to that browser found yet only critical bugs i need to fix i have some time 4 that i thnk
[08:58] <Nalioth> hellrazer, i don't think you have to worry so much about "exploits". That word is almost synonymous with "Windows"
[08:59] <hellrazer> ;)
[08:59] <hellrazer> youre right
[08:59] <HappyFool> well, firefox was updated for hoary yesterday, i think
[08:59] <hellrazer> yeah
[08:59] <Predius> was it?
[08:59] <Predius> 1.0.4?
[08:59] <hellrazer> yes i think so
[08:59] <HappyFool> my impression is that security fixes will be patched into the ubuntu repositories
[08:59] <hellrazer> yepp
[08:59] <goldfish> yeah, i saw the firefox exploit, on windows it creates and runs a .bat file, but on linux it can only create a text file.
[08:59] <Predius> nice.
[08:59] <HappyFool> no, it stays at 1.0.2
[08:59] <Predius> ...
[08:59] <hellrazer> hehe
[09:00] <sig> it's backported
[09:00] <misieq> hi
[09:00] <sig> security updates
[09:00] <HappyFool> but the security fixes are put there
[09:00] <hellrazer> i see
[09:00] <misieq> i have a problem..
[09:00] <sig> basically it is the newest version
[09:00] <sig> what is it
[09:00] <Nalioth> misieq, tell us about it
[09:00] <misieq> i've just set up my ubuntu and it wants to update...
[09:00] <JairunCaloth> I updated firefox today, and have been having some problems out of it... maybe I need to reboot?
[09:01] <misieq> but the installation source is on a dvd with packages
[09:01] <misieq> which are up to date
[09:01] <Nalioth> JairunCaloth, the only time you need to reboot, is when you change your kernel
[09:01] <sig> misieq: security fixes etc...
[09:01] <hellrazer> not me sorry 4 that
[09:01] <sig> let it update
[09:01] <sig> Nalioth: is right, you can restart everything else manually
[09:01] <misieq> but aptitude wants to download it from internet while most of it is on a dvd..
[09:02] <Nalioth> misieq, anything you have on any kind of ROM is old
[09:02] <drcode> hi all
[09:02] <sig> misieq: it needs the newest stuff from the internet
[09:02] <Nalioth> misieq, let it update
[09:02] <sig> let it update
[09:02] <drcode> how I can see what pkg install with dpkg or apt-get?
[09:02] <misieq> but i don't want to download this stuff... i'm happy with what's on dvd
[09:02] <sig> misieq: http://ubuntuguide.org is a good site you should visit
[09:02] <boow> im new to ubuntu the root account wasn't setup i had to boot into recovery and create a password for root
[09:02] <sig> misieq: then ignore it if you don't want an up to date system
[09:03] <misieq> and it will took ages to download
[09:03] <tremblay> Any way to reset my password aside from passwd?
[09:03] <sig> misieq: ok up to date system or not up to date.... your choice
[09:03] <Nalioth> boow, there is no root pwd (it's an ubuntu thang)
[09:03] <misieq> yes, but it wants to download such things like for example openoffice.org
[09:03] <sig> boow: http://ubuntuguide.org has good FAQ's
[09:03] <misieq> and it IS on that god-damn dvd
[09:03] <Nalioth> misieq, such is the freedom of *nix, you do what YOU want
[09:04] <levander> where do I file bug reports?  I assume it is appropriate to file a bug report for the firefox version that ubuntu is distributing?
[09:04] <sig> misieq: it is trying to get the damn update for it
[09:04] <HappyFool> misieq: maybe if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove any http entries?
[09:04] <thundrcleeze> this is probably a stupid question, but is there a way to lock or a partition so if you run say, a recovery disc, so it doesn't format the entire drive, just the partition?
[09:04] <Nalioth> levander, bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[09:04] <misieq> but the numbers are the same
[09:04] <sig> misieq: don't you understand??????? they are fixes etc...
[09:04] <sig> patches etc...
[09:04] <sig> listen to us
[09:04] <Nalioth> misieq, i recommend commenting out the http entries
[09:04] <misieq> yes, i do understand
[09:04] <Nalioth> misieq, you might want them later
[09:04] <sig> Nalioth: don't tell him that
[09:05] <sig> if he wants a safe system he needs to keep his shit up to date
[09:05] <Nalioth> sig i was only modifying what HappyFool told him
[09:05] <misieq> but why should i dl something what i already have? SAME thing
[09:05] <sig> misieq: listen, do you understand that the updates it wants to grab are meerly fixes, patches, etc. to the software installed on your system?
[09:06] <sig> it is a update
[09:06] <graabein> hi! where do i put the xmms skins?
[09:06] <sig> it will install the new and deinstall the old
[09:06] <Nalioth> misieq, you will not be d/l any horrible things (like with windoze update) only improvements to your existing software
[09:06] <misieq> arghh....
[09:06] <HappyFool> misieq: are you even reading what we're saying about edit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:06] <sig> misieq: "UPDATE"
[09:06] <HappyFool> well, i'm saying
[09:06] <misieq> i'd like to install software from this dvd
[09:06] <boow> well since im not a noob im always suing to root i'll leave roots password slackware is my main distro anyways
[09:06] <dcraven> graabein: ~/.xmms/Skins
[09:06] <graabein> thanks!
[09:07] <misieq> and i cannot since aptitude can only download
[09:07] <sig> misieq: then listen to HappyFool and have a "not up to date" system.
[09:07] <Nalioth> HappyFool, please in the future use the word "comment out" instead of "remove"
[09:07] <HappyFool> Nalioth: fair enough
[09:07] <thundrcleeze> misieq, what is it you're tyring to do?
[09:07] <misieq> i'd like to install software from this dvd and THEN get the UPDATES
[09:07] <cens0red> hey I just lost my panel for about 2 minutes.
[09:07] <Nalioth> boow, the root account is disable by default in ubuntu
[09:07] <drcode> with dpkg how I Can see list of pkg I Have ?
[09:08] <thundrcleeze> misieq, do you have x running?
[09:08] <HappyFool> drcode: how about dpkg -l
[09:08] <thundrcleeze> misieq, that is, GNOME?
[09:08] <misieq> no, beacuse aptitude didn't dl it yet
[09:08] <misieq> and it is on this f*cking dvd!!!
[09:08] <HappyFool> that doesn't sound right
[09:08] <HappyFool> i had gnome running without needing any net access
[09:08] <misieq> i do know that
[09:09] <thundrcleeze> misieq, you can use force version to make it only use your dvd, though if you were able to install it, everything essential should be installed.
[09:09] <misieq> there are about 3000 of packages on this dvd and i cannot install even one with apt
[09:09] <blueyed> tremblay: unfortunately I don't know a way to unset the password apart from using some live cd to boot from..
[09:09] <hellrazer> and there is the other question i need a stable firewall for ubuntu
[09:10] <misieq> i can type 'startx' but it gives me nothing. only blank screen
[09:10] <hellrazer> :)
[09:10] <blueyed> tremblay: It's filed.. please confirm it: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10742
[09:10] <boow> does ubuntu use its own packages or debian packages
[09:10] <HappyFool> misieq: what does /etc/apt/sources.list say?
[09:10] <typo> I'm trying to install eciadsl for an adsl modem but the tap0 interface doesn't seam to be created
[09:10] <typo> anyone know what it might be?
[09:10] <thundrcleeze> misieq, did you just install?
[09:11] <misieq> erm.... can i somehow 'stream' it to irssi??
[09:11] <HappyFool> use a paste-bin
[09:11] <misieq> (the only thing i managed to install)
[09:11] <HappyFool> http://rafb.net/paste/
[09:11] <tremblay> blueyed: Will do.
[09:11] <HappyFool> err. hope you can install a web-browser ;)
[09:11] <thundrcleeze> misieq, or just throw it in #flood
[09:11] <drcode> thanx
[09:11] <misieq> all right... be right back in few minutes.... (but i think i'll just type it :) )
[09:12] <misieq> 1: deb cdrom:[some name here] / unstable main restricted
[09:12] <drcode> I Want to remove this ii  arkeiasb-serve 5.3.6-0.601.rc Easy server backup on a local tape drive
[09:13] <drcode> in the list it appear but I CANT -r it
[09:13] <misieq> (without '1' it's only a number)
[09:13] <tremblay> blueyed: I'll try to reproduce it by doing another fresh install.
[09:13] <typo> anyone know where I can get information about tap0?
[09:13] <tremblay> Gr.
[09:13] <typo> or tap/tun
[09:13] <levander> do i have to create an account or something to make a comment on a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[09:14] <misieq> 2: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:14] <hellrazer> i goit one shorewall
[09:14] <HappyFool> misieq: ok, i think we get the idea
[09:14] <HappyFool> misieq: do you have an editor installed, like vi or nano?
[09:14] <misieq> 3: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:14] <drcode> I remove it
[09:14] <drcode> but with dpkg -l I still see it
[09:14] <misieq> yas, i have nanp
[09:14] <misieq> *nano
[09:15] <HappyFool> misieq: edit that file with 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[09:15] <HappyFool> and put '#' in from of all the deb lines with http in them
[09:15] <HappyFool> err, that's a # without any ' ;)
[09:15] <DNA`> ubuntu 5.04 doesnt have gcc installed?
[09:15] <HappyFool> then try 'sudo apt-get update' and try again
[09:15] <drcode> what is rc or ii ?
[09:16] <drcode> I can remove rc
[09:16] <misieq> done
[09:16] <drcode> IHave some pkg that is rc and some ii
[09:16] <Nalioth> misieq, the # in front of a line, tell the program to ignore it. these lines are called "comments" cuz they're for humans to read
[09:16] <HappyFool> DNA`: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:16] <misieq> i know this
[09:16] <misieq> but thanks ;)
[09:16] <DNA`> werd HappyFool 8] 
[09:16] <HappyFool> misieq: ok, does it do what you want now?
[09:16] <drcode> I can delete rc in dpkg?
[09:18] <misieq> ahhhh..... yes!
[09:18] <misieq> thank you
[09:18] <HappyFool> np
[09:18] <misieq> but why isnt aptitude trying to get packages from dvd??
[09:18] <HappyFool> err
[09:19] <misieq> does it think that newer versions are available or something like this?
[09:20] <Behemoth> anyone in here can help me setup ATI Radeon Mobility M9/M10/RC300M card (not sure wish one is it that I have)
[09:20] <misieq> when aptitude finishes will it be enough to type startx to get x running? or i have to choose wm in xinitrc?
[09:20] <m3jsh> quick question guys, how do I open that "task manager" like program? I used to have it under system tools but I don't see it aynmore
[09:21] <Xappe> ah, nice, I just found the CMT libs and ladspa sdk in the repos :)
[09:21] <misieq> m3jsh: kpm?
[09:21] <misieq> or try top
[09:21] <m3jsh> is that it? i dunno, i'll see if i can reinstall it or something
[09:21] <HappyFool> misieq: i think there's a package called gnome-desktop which might do Just Work (not sure though)
[09:21] <misieq> it comes with kde i think
[09:22] <misieq> (i mean kpm)
[09:22] <HappyFool> m3jsh: Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[09:22] <m3jsh> oh right, yeah i don't have that anymore, must have uninistalled it somehow
[09:23] <misieq> can i say that ubuntu is debian?
[09:23] <dabaStnd> m3jsh: system monitor under apps, system tools?
[09:23] <scott> misieq: based on debian
[09:23] <m3jsh> yes daba
[09:23] <dabaStnd> right, so you removed it, hey?
[09:23] <l1qu1d> alejandro ricove xD
[09:23] <m3jsh> i didn't knowingly uninstall it, i don't know what package it is under
[09:23] <alejandro_ricove> hey guys ...there is a quake 3 arena for linux ??
[09:23] <dabaStnd> damn, my hard disk is full again.
[09:24] <m3jsh> yeah there is alejandro
[09:24] <alejandro_ricove> oh yeah !! la liga !! :D
[09:24] <drcode> with dpkg how I can delete the rc at begin of dpkg -l?
[09:24] <HappyFool> drcode: have you tried using synaptic?
[09:25] <misieq> bless you all ;) thanks  once again
[09:25] <HappyFool> it's quite a lot friendlier, and you'll be able to tell if packages are installed or not
[09:25] <drcode> I have only console
[09:25] <drcode> sorry
[09:25] <Rubin> what does the gpg key steps on ubuntuguide.org actually DO? (what files are put where?)
[09:26] <sdfsdf> hello
[09:26] <goldfish> hi
[09:26] <mattis> hi
[09:26] <thundrcleeze> hi
[09:26] <bonggnu> hi, how can i migrate from Debian Sid to Ubuntu Hoary? changing the sources.list ?
[09:26] <HappyFool> drcode: how about aptitude then? also seems a little easier than dpkg
[09:26] <Nalioth> bonggnu, bingo
[09:26] <bonggnu> that`s all folks
[09:26] <mattis> synaptic is the soul
[09:26] <drcode> and ?
[09:27] <shadeofgrey> where are applications usually installed to?
[09:27] <drcode> wow
[09:27] <drcode> nice
[09:27] <sdfsdf> Where can i download the debian package for sane1.0.10 ?
[09:27] <drcode> I Didnt know
[09:27] <Behemoth> Can someone please tell me if its ok that my ATI mobility card shows up as unknow device in lspci and as ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9100 U3 (R200 IGP) in xorg.conf? or do I need to do something to make lspci recognise it? (actually only my network adapter is recognized, it that a big problem, cause everything seems to work)?
[09:27] <drcode> wow
[09:27] <thundrcleeze> shadeofgrey, usually /usr/bin, but you can check in a package manager
[09:27] <sdfsdf> Where can i download the debian package for sane1.0.10 ?
[09:27] <dabaStnd> m3jsh: gnome-system-monitor is the command for taht program, if you have teh menu editor, maybe you can add, or if you know another way.
[09:28] <psychonate> I can't get the debian-marillat repository working for me
[09:28] <m3jsh> dabaStnd: I just found it in synaptic, thanks
[09:28] <dabaStnd> so you got it back throguh there?
[09:29] <psychonate> I put this in sources.list: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main"
[09:29] <zyx> hi. my ~ (tilde) key doesnt work right, i can only get the character when i hit the spacebar afterwards..
[09:29] <Nalioth> psychonate, what machine type are you using?
[09:29] <sdfsdf> Where can i download the debian package for sane1.0.10 ?
[09:29] <m3jsh> dabaStnd: installing now
[09:29] <Behemoth> are there any ubuntu 3d acceleration guides?
[09:29] <psychonate> Nalioth, x86
[09:29] <wezzer-> hi
[09:30] <wezzer-> I need help
[09:30] <wezzer-> with Radeon 9800
[09:30] <Nalioth> psychonate, then check your spelling and syntax in the file
[09:30] <psychonate> I get this in synaptic: "W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)"
[09:30] <Nalioth> psychonate, they may be down
[09:30] <m3jsh> it's back :)
[09:30] <psychonate> Nalioth, I visited the URL in my browser :(
[09:30] <wezzer-> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=ati+driver+howto
[09:30] <dabaStnd> hehe
[09:30] <wezzer-> I followed those instructions
[09:30] <wezzer-> but it didn't work
[09:31] <wezzer-> so I tried to use original drivers
[09:31] <wezzer-> but I can't
[09:31] <mattis> I would very much recommend whitelarge to all laptop users. A cursor you can finally see. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19902
[09:31] <dave_> how do i update firefox to latest version?
[09:31] <mattis> synaptic
[09:32] <Nalioth> psychonate, site is down or your spelling/syntax is off
[09:32] <dave_> and on my desktop box, i cant get onto this channel? has it been down at all?
[09:32] <JairunCaloth> LOL CVS works alot better when it's installed
[09:32] <Xappe> haha
[09:32] <klaym> is it possible to make a mouse-2nd-button-navigation-menu thing on gnome? so I could disable the panels
[09:32] <dabaStnd> dave_: nope, it has been up.
[09:32] <Behemoth> whats the terminal commande to figure out kernel version and compile time?
[09:32] <psychonate> Nalioth, here is my entry: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main"
[09:33] <dabaStnd> dave_: you can not at this time upgrade to .4, at leastr UI was not abkle to...the best I could get to is .3
[09:33] <wezzer-> any help?
[09:33] <Nalioth> psychonate, sorry i don't know
[09:33] <dave_> just wonderin cus it tries to connect but never does but my laptop (not updated) has no prob
[09:33] <Nalioth> psychonate, i run a PPC, for which marillat has nothing
[09:33] <psychonate> well, my syntax looks OK to me, and the site is up AFAIK
[09:33] <dave_> cool will do that then dont want the .2 vunerabilities
[09:34] <Behemoth> whats the terminal command to figure out kernel version and compile time?
[09:34] <HappyFool> uname -a
[09:34] <Behemoth> thank you
[09:34] <_hp_> came home and discovered that my dad inadventenly formatted my hard disk, all of the data is gone
[09:35] <zyx> how can i make xterm ignore the alt key, so that i can use alt-keybindungs in bash?
[09:35] <HappyFool> how do you inadvertently format a hard-drive?
[09:35] <BoD_SWAT> any Devs in here?
[09:35] <sdfsdf> Where can i download the debian package for sane1.0.10 ?
[09:35] <Nalioth> HappyFool, some people are born to it
[09:35] <goldfish> zyx: yes u can
[09:35] <scorpix> i got this error when i try to compile new kernel in hoary:
[09:35] <scorpix> scorpix@ubuntu:/usr/src$ sudo make gconfig
[09:35] <scorpix> make: *** No rule to make target `gconfig'.  Stop.
[09:35] <dave_> synaptic shows only .2 version not .3..... :S
[09:35] <goldfish> zyx: it's metakey escape or something in the options menu
[09:35] <_hp_> i left the ubuntu install cd in the cd rom, he rebooted, pressed enter with every query, and ubuntu deleted everything
[09:35] <nderjm> Greetings from Jamrock (island on Jamaica)
[09:36] <klaym> is it possible to have an enlightenment -style menu navigation on gnome? so the panels could be disabled
[09:36] <HappyFool> doh
[09:36] <ivoks> _hp_ lol
[09:36] <zyx> ok got it. but the ~ problem is still there  :(
[09:36] <nderjm> Has anyone installed or upgrades an OldWorld Powermac to Hoary?
[09:36] <_hp_> so i have lost about 30 GB of important data
[09:36] <_hp_> including ALL of my work stuff too
[09:37] <Predius> Guys, seen the Xbox360 specs? I'd love to run Ubuntu on that.
[09:37] <JairunCaloth> where do I find $path?
[09:37] <Kirilis> why Ubuntu makeing noise when playing mp3 ?
[09:37] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: echo $PATH
[09:37] <_hp_> Kirilis, mp3 are sound files
[09:37] <nderjm> XBox 360?  I'd much rather wait for the PS3
[09:37] <JairunCaloth> tis blank
[09:37] <Kirilis> yes ;)
[09:37] <BoD_SWAT> WINE striking news: I just 'talked' to a WINE developer and he said the Debian/Ubuntu packages are broken/outdated. The Winesetuptk was  deprecated years ago (and it still is in apt-get)
[09:37] <_hp_> Kirilis, check if your sound drivers are installed properly
[09:37] <nderjm> Cell Baby!!!
[09:37] <mattis> Ich sah, dass der Kanal auch vielsprachig genutzt wird. ;) Find ich gut. gibts #de.ubuntu oder so?
[09:37] <HappyFool> JairunCaloth: try echo $PATH
[09:37] <finnland> yo :)
[09:37] <HappyFool> JairunCaloth: i.e., capital letters
[09:37] <JairunCaloth> doh!
[09:37] <Kirilis> _hp_, my sound card is simple dont have drivers...
[09:38] <BoD_SWAT> try ALSA :P
[09:38] <Nalioth> Predius, i mused about that a few minutes ago
[09:38] <Kirilis> i will ;)
[09:38] <dave_> synaptic shows only .2 version not .3 firefox..... :S any ideas?
[09:38] <zyx> hm genau.. gibts ein deutschen support channel?
[09:38] <admx> XBOX 360 here, you have to wait about a year later for PS3
[09:38] <Nalioth> Predius, 3 hack-off cell processors (hacked off as only microsloth can do it)
[09:38] <Bazzi> dave_ ubuntu ports back the patches.
[09:38] <Nalioth> zyx, in der #ubuntu-de
[09:38] <finnland> hmm, i can only get sound out of the rear channels of my 2 soundcards.
[09:38] <dave_> explain, ports back?
[09:38] <admx> 512 video ram
[09:38] <nderjm> But how easy do you think MS will make it to run Linux on the XBOX
[09:39] <nderjm> its gonna be hellto hack
[09:39] <Bazzi> dave_ it is version 1.0.3 or 1.0.4 just with the 1.0.2 tag on it
[09:39] <karljp> they said that about the first one too remember
[09:39] <Nalioth> nderjm, the question is, how badly do YOU want to keep playing xbox360 games?
[09:39] <admx> That's the fun of hacking, the harder they make it the funner it is.....
[09:39] <JairunCaloth> what's the easiest way to find a program burried in the depths of my HDD
[09:39] <dave_> is that off the back ports servers? i get errors with those servers, oh right
[09:40] <Bazzi> no.
[09:40] <Nalioth> JairunCaloth, a shoveL?
[09:40] <HappyFool> JairunCaloth: locate or find
[09:40] <dave_> i see whys that
[09:40] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: 'locate <moo>'
[09:40] <nderjm> Nalioth: Never played one.  Dont particulalry want to.  Not gonna spend money on one :D
[09:40] <goldfish> I want a PsP.
[09:40] <karljp> wheee, fsck -c -c takes a looooonnnnnng time
[09:40] <nderjm> now there is something to spend money on
[09:40] <nderjm> the PSP is SWEEEET!
[09:40] <goldfish> You got one?
[09:40] <goldfish> I played on one.
[09:40] <nderjm> nope, but got to play with one
[09:40] <Nalioth> nderjm, if you have read the latest, if you never connect to xb0x-live, then you can do waht you like with it
[09:40] <nderjm> its is very very nice
[09:40] <goldfish> No european release date as of yet :/
[09:41] <admx> Not to metion it does not hurt their sales. Hell PSP sales are up
[09:41] <goldfish> i might order one online from japan or the states when i get the money saved
[09:41] <admx> Just would not firmware update the PSP.
[09:42] <nderjm> Anyone running Hoary on an OldWorld Mac?
[09:42] <Nalioth> nderjm, sorry, only on a new world variant
[09:42] <Kirilis> how to search packages in apt ?
[09:42] <Nalioth> Kirilis, use synaptic
[09:42] <misieq> hi. it's me again
[09:42] <nderjm> Nalioth, which model?
[09:42] <FreeEagle> Hi all
[09:43] <Nalioth> nderjm, iBook G3/600
[09:43] <finnland> where are, eventuel, error log files from the sound system stored?
[09:43] <FreeEagle> I have a Question , concering Screenshots under Ubuntu
[09:43] <misieq> is it allright that aptitude uses all power of my cpu while configuring libraries?
[09:43] <nderjm> Nalioth, I installed it on a B&W G3/400.  It runs sweeeet doesnt it :D
[09:43] <admx> Like to get a Mac Mini here..... Yellow Dog
[09:44] <zenlunat1c> Is apt-get kde basically get me all kde related apps?
[09:44] <nderjm> Nooo
[09:44] <zenlunat1c> Nalioth: I have that model.
[09:44] <Choubaka> zenlunat1c: no. :/
[09:44] <admx> Or will Ubuntu run on a Mac Mini???
[09:44] <zenlunat1c> admx: It should.
[09:44] <nderjm> admx, Yess
[09:44] <FreeEagle> I am trying to make a Screenshot for a Video Clip, which is played with Realplayer,i want to have the Picture of the Clip and the Desktop together in one Screenshot,
[09:44] <admx> Hell yeah!!
[09:44] <zenlunat1c> Whats a good way of getting konq installed?
[09:44] <nderjm> admx, if you value your package management, stay away from Yellow Dog
[09:44] <FreeEagle> How can i do this !!!!!
[09:45] <nderjm> admx, its RPM based :(
[09:45] <Choubaka> zenlunat1c: err, wait.
[09:45] <Choubaka> yes.
[09:45] <Choubaka> :p
[09:45] <Choubaka> I confused KDE with QT
[09:45] <zenlunat1c> Choubaka: I see.
[09:45] <Choubaka> apt-get install konqueror maybe?
[09:45] <zenlunat1c> Choubaka: I think I'm just going to do apt-get konqueror and see how that goes.
[09:45] <Choubaka> +install
[09:46] <admx> I think that settles it buying a Mac Mini for Ubuntu
[09:46] <goldfish> what about the lovely osx?
[09:46] <nderjm> Yeah, Tiger is sweeeeeet!
[09:46] <admx> not.....
[09:46] <nderjm> You can always dual boot
[09:46] <_hp_> os x is a pretty good OS; can compete with ubuntu
[09:46] <misieq> what is 'Breezy' ??
[09:46] <goldfish> misieq: dev version of ubuntu currently
[09:47] <usybic> it's what you get when you leave your fly open.
[09:47] <admx> true
[09:47] <goldfish> misieq: it's going to be the next version of ubuntu released
[09:47] <_hp_> when is the next major release of ubuntu scheduled for?
[09:47] <nderjm> I'm running Panther on my Powerbook, Tiger on the G3/400 and Ubuntu on an OldWorld Performa
[09:47] <goldfish> november or something
[09:47] <FreeEagle> okay i think there no any answer for my Question here
[09:47] <FreeEagle> :)
[09:48] <nderjm> Ill probably end up Gentooing or Ubuntunizing my G3 though :)
[09:48] <FreeEagle> Thanks anyway.....
[09:48] <goldfish> FreeEagle: try posting on the forums
[09:48] <JairunCaloth> gcc does c right?
[09:48] <FreeEagle> Will do it for sure goldfish
[09:48] <FreeEagle> Thanks anyway
[09:48] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: yes
[09:48] <FreeEagle> :) bye bye
[09:48] <IcemanV9> goldfish: actually October; 5.10
[09:48] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: g++ does c++
[09:49] <goldfish> IcemanV9: hehe, not too far off :)
[09:49] <JairunCaloth> then why does this tell me that I don't have a c compilar?
[09:49] <IcemanV9> :)
[09:49] <JairunCaloth> the path is even in the $PATH
[09:49] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: What does?
[09:49] <casimir> hey everyone, is there a way to make wxWidgets use GTK2??
[09:49] <JairunCaloth> CVS does
[09:49] <Choubaka> yes.
[09:49] <Nalioth> nderjm, yes it does. i like the freedom (which OSX doesnt give you)
[09:49] <Choubaka> But I don't know now. :p
[09:49] <JairunCaloth> I have gcc-3.3
[09:49] <casimir> Choubaka, thanks :p
[09:49] <Choubaka> I had it using gtk2 by default
[09:50] <goldfish> JairunCaloth: hmmm... is there a readme with it?
[09:50] <casimir> Choubaka, in Gentoo I have it working with USE flags
[09:50] <Choubaka> ok.
[09:50] <nderjm> Nalioth, I've always been a Mac user.  Its just works.  So it remains my main desktop os.  it give me enough freedom to keep me happy.
[09:50] <JairunCaloth> goldfish: I'm using a howto, but it's not helping
[09:50] <goldfish> hmmmm
[09:50] <Choubaka> casimir: But this is Ubuntu. :)
[09:50] <nderjm> Gentoo's Portage Package Manager runs on OSX
[09:51] <Nalioth> nderjm, i have another new iBook running OSX (it will run OSX until the linux community discovers the drivers for the APX)
[09:51] <Choubaka> Well, it's python :P
[09:51] <Nalioth> nderjm, techII but what does it portage?
[09:51] <Choubaka> someone will still have to maintain OSX specific ebuilds.
[09:52] <nderjm> Nalioth, huh?   what does it portage??
[09:52] <sigmundv> bye
[09:52] <techII> portage==gentoo package manager
[09:52] <nderjm> Nalioth, if thats a pun, ouch!
[09:52] <techII> err, didn't read everything
[09:52] <casimir> I'll look more into it
[09:52] <admx> Hey, any good street shops selling the mini for a great price?
[09:53] <maximaus> Hi ya'll, I just hooked a new 17" tft up to my system, restarted it, and it seems to work fine--is there nothing else I need to do?
[09:53] <nderjm> yup, enjoy it
[09:53] <admx> Or just that the $500 to any local shop
[09:53] <Nalioth> bbl
[09:53] <IcemanV9> it's interesting .. on my laptop, with flgrx ATI driver, it's so slow (tested with glxgears). without flgrx, it's fast (but not fast enough)
[09:53] <JairunCaloth> should I rename it from gcc-3.3 to gcc?
[09:53] <JairunCaloth> or will that do more damage than good?
[09:54] <goldfish> damage
[09:54] <maximaus> Apple keeps pretty tight reings on their resellers so I doubt you can get much of a deal on a mini. :/
[09:54] <Choubaka> uhh.
[09:54] <Choubaka> I am too tired. :)
[09:55] <IcemanV9> maximaus: as long as you're satisified with the screen resolution :)
[09:55] <admx> Then I just check my local Rebate Center, Opps... I mean MicroCenter
[09:55] <maximaus> IcemanV9, yeah it's set at the recommened res, but the refresh rate only has 60hz as an option. I'm such a noob when it comes to LCD's LoL
[09:56] <IcemanV9> maximaus: same here. "1400x1050"@60hz is all it can handles.
[09:56] <Choubaka> hmm.
[09:57] <Choubaka> afaik refresh rate doesn't matter to LCDs
[09:57] <maximaus> Choubaka, that's what I thought.
[09:57] <geogeo> good evening
[09:57] <geogeo> \o/
[09:58] <goldfish> hell
[09:58] <goldfish> o
[09:58] <geogeo> hey hey
[09:58] <geogeo> with a hdd060 (philips), do you think I can use an utils to send music on this player ?
[09:59] <geogeo> My sentence is a fucking nonsense, soryr
[09:59] <geogeo> but if anybody of you understood it..!
[10:00] <maximaus> geogeo, does it show up as an icon on the desktop when you plug it in?
[10:00] <geogeo> yeah
[10:00] <geogeo> but I have to do it by a soft
[10:00] <maximaus> it should just function like an external drive then, with drag and drop. :)
[10:00] <geogeo> like ipod and itunes
[10:00] <geogeo> this player is a fucking one
[10:01] <geogeo> music has to be checked and organized by the soft
[10:01] <Behemoth> can someone help me with ATI Drivers plz I followed the guide on forums and everything worked up till fgl_glxgears that command fails with 5 error lines
[10:01] <_hp_> if i do system > lock screen will that mess up my ssh session with another server?
[10:01] <geogeo> i'll try for you
[10:01] <stanter> hello everyone - got a question: what happened to my partitions after ubutnu's install, so that I can't access them from windows, but I can from ubuntu? They are shown as "Hidden W95 FAT32 (LBA)"/
[10:02] <konkor> hey... i have just installed hoary 5.04 on a brand new toshiba l10-102. everything is fine but i cant see any battery status or other laptop related stuff...acpid running and acpi modules are ok.../proc/acpi files are empty
[10:02] <HappyFool> _hp_: why do you think it would?
[10:02] <_hp_> HappyFool, i don't i'm just being paranoid, because i NEED this to get done
[10:02] <_hp_> (server backup)
[10:02] <geogeo> it's okay
[10:02] <geogeo> but it's normal
[10:02] <techII> _hp_: shouldn't unless there is some type of 'timeout'
[10:02] <geogeo> it just locks the screen
[10:02] <techII> which would have to be set up
[10:02] <Behemoth> stanter, they are hidden use Disk Manager in windows to unmask them
[10:03] <HappyFool> _hp_: afaik the screen lock doesn't stop any apps or anything like that
[10:03] <foxiness> my friend ask me to install the ubuntu on her pc but , not of all cd am create for her work "its only wrok on my 2 pc" and not work on other 3 pc "of my friends"? is there away around this ?
[10:03] <stanter> Behemoth: I can't, there is only option "Delete" in windows Disk Manager
[10:04] <Behemoth> stanter, then use Gparted in Ubuntu
[10:04] <Behemoth> stanter, or Partition Magic in windows
[10:05] <stanter> Behemoth:  Partition Magic fails to install.. "Error on disk E:/" - or something like this
[10:05] <holycow> foxiness, what does that even mean?
[10:05] <Behemoth> stanter, Gparted them
[10:05] <Behemoth> then*
[10:05] <HappyFool> foxiness: did you check the CD after burning it?
[10:05] <stanter> Behemoth: ok, I'll try now..
[10:06] <Behemoth> stanter, ubuntuguide.org tells you exactly how to install it if you dont know
[10:06] <foxiness> holycow, i dont know becuse that am ask here
[10:06] <foxiness> HappyFool, how can i do that ?
[10:06] <zenlunat1c> I install konq and it doesn't show up on my applications list.
[10:07] <konkor> can you help me with that acpi on toshiba notebook?
[10:07] <HappyFool> foxiness: well, if you have the cd you can run 'md5sum -vc md5sum.txt' in /media/cdrom
[10:07] <techII> zenlunat1c: using ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[10:07] <HappyFool> (this is assuming you are running ubuntu -- i imagine you can also do it on any OS if you have md5sum)
[10:07] <zenlunat1c> techII: ubuntu
[10:08] <Behemoth> can someone help me with ATI Drivers plz I followed the guide on forums and everything worked up till fgl_glxgears that command fails with 5 error lines (X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) is the first one) what can cause it?
[10:08] <HappyFool> i think if you boot using the cd there's a integrity check option too
[10:09] <techII> you can use the 'konquerer' command to start it
[10:09] <techII> err
[10:09] <foxiness> konkor, kde or gnome ?
[10:09] <techII> gnome, I think
[10:10] <konkor> kde
[10:10] <foxiness> techII, ;)
[10:10] <zenlunat1c> techII: I'm just trying out konqueror
[10:10] <techII> though it was zenlunat1c's problem
[10:10] <JairunCaloth> how do I add a path to the $PATH ?
[10:10] <_hp_> oh man, i think i'm glad my dad deleted all my data, i'm finally windows free
[10:10] <foxiness> konkor, am gnome guru sorry maybe other here will help u
[10:10] <konkor> foxiness, klaptop_check not working anyway
[10:10] <Behemoth> anyone got any experience with ATI Drivers?
[10:11] <techII> zen1unat1c: try "applications > run program" then type in 'konqueror'
[10:11] <zenlunat1c> whats the command to get everything of kubuntu cd on ubuntu?
[10:11] <HappyFool> JairunCaloth: for the command line only? try editing .bashrc
[10:11] <foxiness> Behemoth, what your problem
[10:11] <zenlunat1c> techII: I did terminal 'konq..' worked
[10:11] <Behemoth> can someone help me with ATI Drivers plz I followed the guide on forums and everything worked up till fgl_glxgears that command fails with 5 error lines (X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) is the first one) what can cause it?
[10:11] <konkor> foxiness, it s not a problem for me...i can switch to the gnome...but i think my problem is not related with the Desktop env.
[10:11] <foxiness> thanks HappyFool for this tip
[10:12] <Behemoth> foxiness, sorry I just restated my last statement
[10:12] <hellrazer> Behemoth try http://www.watchland.org/dmcgraw/ati-debian.html
[10:12] <konkor> foxiness, how can i solve tihs with gnome?
[10:12] <hellrazer> maybe this helps you
[10:13] <foxiness> konkor, on gnome im just "add to panel..." what i need "right click on panel"
[10:13] <stanter> Behemoth: I installed Gparted, but it doesn't seem to start.. It asked for my password, and that's all.
[10:14] <konkor> foxiness, gnome's battery monitor shows %0 always
[10:14] <Behemoth> hellrazer, fglrxconfig do I run it from X or console?
[10:14] <hellrazer> you running a acer laptop?
[10:14] <konkor> nope toshiba
[10:14] <hellrazer> ohh ok
[10:14] <zenlunat1c> Any irssi users know how to specify joining channels when on multiple networks?
[10:15] <konkor> phoneix bios support is very poor i guess...modprobe toshiba_acpi says no such deviv
[10:15] <konkor> device...very ironic
[10:15] <foxiness> konkor, on terminal "acpi"
[10:16] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, /CHANNEL ADD -auto #channel -network somenetwork (not sure if u need -network or just network alias after the channer directly)
[10:16] <foxiness> or "apm"
[10:16] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, u need to make network aliases first if they arent already made (most are by default)
[10:16] <konkor> apm not working for me...but acpi is running
[10:16] <zenlunat1c> Behemoth: I just want to join a channel not autojoin.
[10:16] <foxiness> konkor, put here the output please
[10:17] <zenlunat1c> Behemoth: like /join #channel but that joins the channel on freenode not the other server.
[10:17] <konkor> root        24  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   22:54   0:00 [kacpid] 
[10:17] <konkor> root      5597  0.0  0.1   1680   788 ?        Ss   22:56   0:00 /usr/sbin/acpid -c /etc/acpi/events -s /var/run/acpid.socket
[10:17] <foxiness> zenlunat1c, use open on tab
[10:17] <zenlunat1c> foxiness: what is that?
[10:17] <konkor>  lsmod | grep acpi
[10:17] <konkor> acpi_cpufreq            6020  1
[10:17] <konkor> freq_table              4484  2 acpi_cpufreq,cpufreq_stats
[10:17] <konkor> sony_acpi               6280  0
[10:17] <konkor> pcc_acpi               11264  0
[10:17] <konkor> processor              23220  2 acpi_cpufreq,thermal
[10:17] <jbailey> Anyone here running current breezy want to help me troubleshoot an ieee1394 bug?
[10:18] <foxiness> konkor, dont do like this here on genral
[10:18] <zenlunat1c> konkor: #flood
[10:18] <konkor> foxiness, oh im really sorry
[10:18] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, oh lol I think u switch server status window with alt+~ or something like that (u need to switch server stat window)
[10:18] <foxiness> konkor, am ask the out put on one command "acpi"
[10:18] <konkor> acpi command shows nothing
[10:19] <foxiness> konkor, maybe u need to change from your bios if u can from acpi to apm
[10:20] <usama> hi all
[10:20] <foxiness> hi usama
[10:21] <foxiness> konkor, to add support to your kenerl for apm "i hope this will help u"
[10:21] <zenlunat1c> Behemoth: the status window contains both server statuses
[10:21] <konkor> foxiness, hmmm..nice idea.let me check that...thanks for suggestions and forgive my ignorance about flood
[10:21] <usama> today I gave a try to ubuntu linux 5.04 but I cant find kppp (dialup) to connect to internet, can anyone guide me that  how can I connect to internet
[10:21] <zenlunat1c> konkor: i think we'll all live
[10:21] <zenlunat1c> usama: what type of modem are you using?
[10:22] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, yes but there is a keybind to switch to wich server u are sending the command
[10:22] <usama> zenlunat1c: an internal 56K modem
[10:22] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, dont remember it though cause havent used irssi in a while
[10:23] <zenlunat1c> usama: Its probably not supported as its a software based modem.
[10:23] <zenlunat1c> usama: You'll need to search google to see if its supported or buy a hardware based modem.
[10:24] <usama> zenlunat1c: then its no use to stick with Ubuntu
[10:24] <foxiness> usama, do this on terminal "lspci |grep modem"
[10:25] <usama> zenlunat1c: huh, I can use some else distro
[10:25] <Behemoth> hellrazer, I followed the guide but when I run fglrxconfig my card isnt in the list or do I just select a random mobility card ?
[10:25] <cyphase> hey everyone
[10:26] <zenlunat1c> usama: Unfortunatly that won't solve the problem. Every distro uses basically the same kernel so if its not supported in one its most likely not supported in the other.
[10:26] <foxiness> hi cyphase
[10:27] <foxiness> zenlunat1c, am use modem and its work on ubuntu but can not wrok on fedroacore3 and work on fc2
[10:27] <usama> zenlunat1c: I think Ubuntu is just a joke, I will stick with my Gentoo, its excellent, and my modem is working very well
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> whats the file extension for Beep playlist files
[10:27] <foxiness> usama, 90% will work
[10:27] <bas_> Behemoth, there is no option to remove "hidden" from partition in gparted
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> or can i just save them as m3u's ?
[10:27] <shadeofgrey> and is there perhaps a synaptic package for installing winamp?
[10:27] <foxiness> usama, did u know what is your modem ?
[10:28] <frogger^> hello. I need to install the glx for my nvidia card. what would you do: a) apt-get install nvidia-glx or b) getting the latest nvidia drivers from the official website?
[10:28] <techII> shadeofgrey: I don't think there is a linux version of winamp
[10:28] <Behemoth> bas_, you dont remove it you assign a letter to it (sec let me check to be sure)
[10:28] <techII> shadeofgrey: The closest thing would be 'beep-media-player' or 'xmms'
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> actually there is a linux version
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> i just looked it up
[10:29] <foxiness> frogger^, did read ubuntuguide ?
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> but thats not important
[10:29] <bas_> Behemoth, do you mean Device-Set Disklabel ?
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> all i need to know is what file extension to assign to my beep-media-player playlists
[10:29] <frogger^> foxiness, uhmmm, no? which guide do you mean?
[10:29] <shadeofgrey> i tried just giving it a name in the 'playlist save' dialog box but it gave errors
[10:30] <Behemoth> bas_, disklabel is disk name that u see in windows
[10:30] <zenlunat1c> Behemoth: It was cntrl-x.
[10:30] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, huh?
[10:30] <foxiness> frogger^, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[10:30] <|9mmCensor|> hello
[10:30] <zenlunat1c> Behemoth: The irssi thingie.
[10:31] <foxiness> frogger^, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[10:31] <|9mmCensor|> I just installed Ubuntu, and it kicks butt
[10:31] <shadeofgrey> also id like to know how to assign default applications -- like in windows -- how do i make it so that every time i try to open a specific file of a certain type that it always uses the application of my choice -- because the defaults on ubuntu usually are not what i want to use
[10:31] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, oh ok :D be sure not to hit ctrl+c by error happent to me a few times :D
[10:31] <frogger^> foxiness, alright, thank you!
[10:31] <bas_> Behemoth, ah, you mean that if I choose "Delete" in windows Disk Manager, I won't delete it, but assign a new letter to it ?
[10:31] <foxiness> frogger^, nps your wellcome
[10:31] <Behemoth> bas_, no no no it will actually delete it
[10:32] <zenlunat1c> Behemoth: I didn't think cntrl-c worked with irssi I thought you have to do /quit but I'm not going to try.
[10:32] <bas_> Behemoth, but "Delete" is the only option there, besides "Help"
[10:32] <shadeofgrey> also i would like help with k3b -- i installed CDRAO, the base kde packages, and the k3b package, but the installer never put a launch icon for k3b anywhere in my applications menu -- i have to start it from a cmdline and even then - it gives errors
[10:32] <frogger^> foxiness, hmm it says "404 not found"
[10:32] <Behemoth> damn I dont have windows anymore cant check .... u sure you cant install partition magic, if E: has errors just correct them with windows disk inspection tool
[10:33] <zenlunat1c> Anyone else notice konq to be slower in loading pages than gecko stuff?
[10:33] <foxiness> frogger^, ctrl+f nvid "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/"
[10:33] <Behemoth> zenlunat1c, think it depends on ur setup of irssi, in mine it worked cause some of my scripts made it hang so needed ctrl+c to work
[10:34] <bas_> Behemoth, I'll try to install PM for DOS.. maybe will return back..
[10:34] <shadeofgrey> zen:  the mozilla rendering engine is the fastest of any browser currently available
[10:34] <Behemoth> bas_, PM is the best solution
[10:34] <zenlunat1c> shadeofgrey: I've seen test that show opera to be faster.
[10:34] <foxiness> zenlunat1c, what is this konq ?
[10:35] <shadeofgrey> zenlu:  tests dont mean shit....  besides - opera blows rancid ardvark balls
[10:35] <frogger^> foxiness, i guess you point me to the wrong website. could it be that you mean http://www.ubuntuguide.org instead of http://www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[10:35] <shadeofgrey> hey zenlunatic...  are you really good with ubuntu?
[10:35] <foxiness> frogger^, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[10:35] <foxiness> frogger^, sorry
[10:36] <shadeofgrey> yo - foxiness - do you have time to help me with some stuff?  i tried using ubuntu guide but couldnt find the answes i need
[10:36] <stephen_> hi, i trying to get   GTK-Gutella
[10:36] <stephen_> how do i install?
[10:36] <krat3r> can somone tell me how do i add a link to a path, is that i want to put a pkg path in the /usr/local/ but his path is at /usr/, how do i link it?
[10:36] <frogger^> foxiness, no problem, thanks again!
[10:36] <stephen_> GTK-Gnutella how do i geT?
[10:36] <foxiness> shadeofgrey, if i can help why not :)
[10:36] <stephen_> did search for it usign google, and got MOTU Ubuntu. What's this?
[10:36] <shadeofgrey> okay
[10:37] <techII> stephen_: apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[10:37] <George_> not there
[10:37] <George_> i try agian
[10:37] <George_> that's what i tried first, and it didn't work
[10:37] <techII> not shure if you have to use 'universe'
[10:37] <George_> sec i check sources
[10:37] <George_> k what source i need
[10:38] <techII> the ones with 'universe' at the end of them
[10:38] <George_> no UNiverse
[10:38] <George_> wait
[10:38] <George_> uncomment them?
[10:38] <techII> yes
[10:38] <George_> roger
[10:39] <techII> theres a lot more packages in them, but they are officialy unsuported
[10:39] <George_> techII wanna see my sources.list doing apt-get update so probley good know.
[10:39] <George_> FOUND! thank u
[10:40] <George_> MP3 Player, Key Disk, and a 250 GB USB HD tons of USB , and GNome 2.10 auto mounts. Freaken awesome
[10:40] <George_> i been having problems with NVIDIA driver
[10:40] <George_> crashses on Americas army, and freezes on wolf et
[10:40] <fabio> hello
[10:40] <techII> Im not the one to ask about that, only have a nvidia card on my gentoo box
[10:40] <ggeller> How do I tell which version of a package is installed?  Maybe using apt somthing or other?
[10:41] <George_> gentoo
[10:41] <George_> GENTOO fun
[10:41] <George_> gentoo best but also the most pain in the butt (Sometimes)
[10:42] <techII> I haven't goten the nvidia drivers up, without using gentoo's scripts
[10:42] <George_> koo
[10:42] <techII> haven't tried to anyways
[10:43] <foxiness> ggeller, use dpkg -s something
[10:43] <ggeller> foxiness: Thanks.
[10:44] <foxiness> ggeller, you are wellcome
[10:46] <sbcl3> how do i get rid of all those stupid games?
[10:46] <shido6> I cannot play audio from my cd drive ( wav ) via xmmx
[10:46] <shido6> xmms
[10:46] <Fator_Dee> sbcl3: uninstall them from synaptic or apt-get
[10:46] <sbcl3> fator: i typed in the text but it didn't seem to work
[10:47] <sbcl3> i'll try again though
[10:47] <dos000> anyone familiar with vsftpd ? i am trying to make it liten to another port ...
[10:47] <techII> sbcl3: I think your talking about the 'gnome-games' package
[10:48] <sbcl3> oh
[10:48] <sbcl3> yeah
[10:49] <ryan_> hi
[10:50] <techII> dos000: from what I just found use the "listen_port" directive in it's config file, unless you are using inetd/xinetd
[10:50] <ryan_> question
[10:51] <St0n3-C0l> how do I install tar manually
[10:51] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[10:51] <shadeofgrey> okay guys - i need help with k3b
[10:51] <techII> ryan_: go ahead
[10:51] <shadeofgrey> can anybody take a few minutes and help me?
[10:51] <ryan_> how do i install windows on my HD with linux already installed?  I have 80 gigs that is not linux partitioned
[10:51] <ryan_> i installed linux on the end 40 gigs
[10:51] <ryan_> but not sure how to proceed
[10:51] <ryan_> any help?
[10:51] <shadeofgrey> ryan:  you may not be able to...  windows requires that it be the primary partition
[10:52] <admx> What's up with k3b
[10:52] <ryan_> it would be the first partition on the dsisk though
[10:52] <ryan_> because linux was installedo n the tail end of the disk
[10:53] <ryan_> the last 40 gigs
[10:54] <Lex418787> i have a general question that's probably kinda stupid.  What makes ubuntu so special?  I noticed it was at the top of distrowatch.com
[10:54] <k4rp0r> evening
[10:55] <|9mmCensor|> I have a dual boot system.  Ubuntu and Windows XP.  Where would I find the windows directory?
[10:55] <|9mmCensor|> its not /mnt/Windows/ which is what it was with Mandrake
[10:56] <foxiness> Lex418787, what is your distro ?
[10:56] <ryan_> how would i go about installing windows on my linux system *i want to preserve linux
[10:56] <ryan_> ?
[10:57] <Lex418787> well, right now, WinXP because I couldn't figure out my wifi card.  But I used Mandrake 10 before, and Knoppix sometimes
[10:57] <techII> Lex418787: Its based on debian, though the packages are a bit more up to date, and it is easier to use than any other distro I tried
[10:57] <foxiness> ryan_, vmware
[10:57] <Lex418787> really?  easier than mandrake?
[10:57] <|9mmCensor|> ryan_, install it, then back up your bootloader
[10:57] <|9mmCensor|> its simple
[10:57] <ryan_> back up my boot loader
[10:57] <techII> Lex: havent tried mandrake
[10:57] <Lex418787> ok
[10:57] <Lex418787> But I do like Debian based (knoppix)
[10:58] <lotusleaf> you mean mandriva (shudder)
[10:58] <Lex418787> lol, i hate that name
[10:58] <foxiness> what is this DCC chat list ?
[10:58] <ryan_> What is vmware?
[10:58] <ryan_> DCC is direct client chat
[10:58] <ryan_> like private chat
[10:59] <techII> dcc= p2p, not through server
[10:59] <techII> direct connection, etc
[10:59] <m4x> how do u su to root after install is done?
[10:59] <foxiness> ryan_, its safe to accpet this ?
[10:59] <ryan_> yes
[10:59] <techII> same risks apply for using irc normaly
[10:59] <techII> unless your ip is masked by the server ...
[11:00] <dark> or a bnc
[11:00] <m4x> how do u su to root after install is done?
[11:00] <lotusleaf> 3 hours left and ubuntu will be mine! :)
[11:00] <m4x> the install program did not ask me to setup a root pwd
[11:01] <techII> m4x: 'sudo'
[11:01] <m4x> the user i setup as part of the install has access to sudo?
[11:01] <techII> m4x: 'sudo COMMAND' and type in your user's password
[11:01] <m4x> ok
[11:01] <techII> m4x: yes
[11:01] <m4x> one more questiosn, i chose a resolution to high for my monitor, how to i lower it?
[11:01] <lotusleaf> m4x: you should read & bookmark the ubuntuguide
[11:02] <m4x> lotusleaf, got a link?
[11:02] <lotusleaf> ubuntuguide dot org
[11:03] <George_> anyone know of a good DC++
[11:03] <trondd> Ok, I got a question: Why isn't there a symlink to gcc? There is only gcc-3.4... any reason for this?
[11:03] <m4x> ok ty lotusleaf
[11:03] <George_> reading ubuntu forums... they anit helping
[11:04] <techII> trondd: Was just helping someone (on an other channel) with compiling something, caused problems
[11:04] <nekohayo> hi, I'd like to have a few pointers.. for some reason, my hoary box will play M$ MPEG-4v2 files fine (audio/video), but not ISO MPEG-4 (divx, ffmpeg)s.... I have the sound, but no video
[11:04] <nekohayo> I tried searching for a particular divx issue but to no avail
[11:04] <nekohayo> it's puzzling me a little
[11:05] <techII> nekohayo: using the 'universe' repository?
[11:05] <nekohayo> yeah
[11:05] <techII> not shure
[11:05] <nekohayo> I even have multiverse
[11:06] <nekohayo> and debian marillat
[11:06] <nekohayo> my testing media is the video tutorials from blender3d.org
[11:06] <George_> ah... i got a DCGUI-QT but y isn't there a public list?
[11:06] <trondd> How can this happend? When I compile hello_world, the binary seg.faults! Something is wrong...
[11:06] <nekohayo> it works fine on some other box, but I don't know how to "duplicate" that, since I tweaked it so much
[11:06] <techII> but I havent used ubuntu that much
[11:06] <nekohayo> hmm
[11:07] <foxiness> time to go c y l8r
[11:07] <nekohayo> later!
[11:08] <__CB__> how come I get a "command not found" error every time I try to run bittorrent?
[11:08] <__CB__> (yes, I installed it)
[11:09] <techII> __CB__: looking
[11:09] <organon> __CB__, try btdownloadcurses for example
[11:09] <Olsen> how can i get mono 1.1.6/7 installed on ubuntu without compiling/installing from source
[11:10] <matara> what's the best way for burning wiping cd's
[11:10] <m4x> unbuntu just installed flawlessly on a Dell Inspiron 2500, im very impressed
[11:10] <techII> __CB__: in gnome (regular ubuntu) 'applications > internet > GNOME BitTorrent'
[11:10] <__CB__> I'm not runnin GNOME
[11:11] <shadeofgrey> okay guys -- i installed KDE base so that i could run K3B and i also installed CDRDAO -- but K3B doesnt show in my applications menu and everytime i start it from commandline, it runs but gives errors
[11:11] <hellrazer> does anybody know how to setup up a ati radeon 9700 mobilitiy on ubuntu ?? any packages available to install the driver?
[11:11] <ShadowRage> THIS IS CRAP
[11:12] <ShadowRage> okay
[11:12] <ShadowRage> someone spammed me in IRC
[11:12] <George_> hellrazer GO TO UBUNTU FORUMS :D
[11:12] <ShadowRage> set off my notify a million times
[11:12] <ShadowRage> now
[11:12] <ShadowRage> I have no sound
[11:12] <ShadowRage> and my system is half locked up
[11:12] <George_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=735840
[11:12] <ShadowRage> I had this issue before with kernel 2.6.10
[11:12] <lotusleaf> ShadowRage: I see you found your Enter key
[11:12] <hellrazer> ty george
[11:12] <George_> np
[11:12] <ShadowRage> anyone know a fix other than having to restart?
[11:12] <George_> restart X?
[11:12] <hellrazer> someone else who can help me?
[11:12] <__CB__> wait...an IRC smapper caused your system to lock up?
[11:13] <hybrid_goth> hello all
[11:13] <__CB__> just reboot it, man.
[11:13] <Nalioth> __CB__ don't reboot nothin
[11:13] <George_> www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:13] <Nalioth> hellrazer, restart X
[11:13] <George_> it's all there hellrazer
[11:13] <techII> I would check the running processes
[11:13] <ShadowRage> __Ace__: yes, and reboot every time that happens
[11:13] <matara> just look at your proces manager and see if there is something bugging and kill it
[11:13] <ShadowRage> classic idea
[11:14] <organon> hellrazer, http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s971652/ati_radeon.shtml
[11:14] <hellrazer> george sorry 4 my anwewr im little stressed here
[11:14] <organon> any good?
[11:14] <George_> lol, linux is stressful. I was there once too
[11:14] <hellrazer> :)
[11:14] <matara> i can't get cd burning to work properly
[11:14] <George_> but in the long run it worthit
[11:15] <hawke> ShadowRage: what part of your system is locked up?  Sound playing?
[11:15] <hellrazer> it is but when u have finished with the newbie shit u start using linux like guru i think
[11:15] <sbcl3> Is there any way for me to remove all games except Gnometris?
[11:15] <ShadowRage> hawke: yep
[11:15] <hellrazer> :)O
[11:15] <ShadowRage> hawke: and if I try to unload the modules or do a ps aux to see what proc is locked up, it locks that proc up
[11:15] <George_> bah no way. Find linux u literally learn something new everyday
[11:16] <__CB__> so it just locks up at random intervals?
[11:16] <ShadowRage> rmod will lock up
[11:16] <ShadowRage> if you try to kill it, it will lock the kill command up
[11:16] <ShadowRage> rmmod*
[11:16] <George_> i got DC++ problems WAAA
[11:16] <hawke> shadeofgrey: 'dmesg' say anything useful-looking?
[11:16] <hawke> er
[11:16] <hawke> ShadowRage:
[11:16] <holycow> i don't find linux stressfull at all, mostly because all errors have a reason, and therefore a solution
[11:16] <ShadowRage> hawke: nothing
[11:17] <techII> sbcl3: not with the existing packages
[11:17] <George_> holycow: u have a point
[11:17] <holycow> what i find stressfull is things like windows, where things happen, not necessarily for any discernable reason, and in most instances you cant do anything more than reinstall
[11:17] <techII> sbcl3: could compile it yourself
[11:17] <hawke> holycow: good call on that one.
[11:17] <sbcl3> okay
[11:17] <holycow> in linux i found that i had to learn yes, but one could always find information on the issue
[11:17] <lotusleaf> Windows has detected your mouse has moved, please reboot.
[11:18] <holycow> lol thats not too far from the truth
[11:18] <George_> getting to problem is pai
[11:18] <holycow> they have been promising installation of everything without reboot since windows95
[11:18] <hawke> holycow: though I've also found a couple of cases where a problem is totally mysterious, in all cases removing and replacing my ~ has been sufficient to "fix" them
[11:18] <holycow> winxp still reboots if you decide to install almost anything
[11:18] <PhantomFreak> I finally got Horay Hedgehog working! It turned out to be the Grafix card which was causing the problems!
[11:18] <hellrazer> preety good instructions on the ubuntu forum very n ice thank you george
[11:19] <levelone> Driver installation without reboot is impossible with the current Windows kernels and it will never be
[11:19] <holycow> hawke, i have run into that as well, but very rarely, and each time i thanked the dd's for apt and dpkg :)
[11:19] <George_> hey anyone know y XMMS freeze when trying to play MP3
[11:20] <George_> hmm
[11:20] <hellrazer> i know maybe you need some plugins 4 that
[11:20] <holycow> George_, do you have the w32 codecs?
[11:20] <George_> roger
[11:20] <hawke> levelone: that is not true.
[11:20] <George_> could anyone also help me with network printing. i have samba server that has a USB printer that is working i needa print something off this machine. How?
[11:20] <zyga> George_: it's not playing anything from NFS is it?
[11:20] <hawke> levelone: but HKLM registry re-reading is impossible without a reboot, as far as I know.
[11:21] <tremblay> blueyed: My password's working after this install (haven't tried changing it...)
[11:21] <Marble2> What's the best program to batch rename mp3 files and grab track/album info from freedb/amazon?
[11:21] <Marble2> besides easytag
[11:21] <George_> what?
[11:21] <George_> NFS?
[11:21] <George_> u mean NTFS?
[11:21] <blueyed> tremblay: create a new user and test it with this one.
[11:21] <George_> i dont understand what u mean zyga
[11:21] <holycow> Marble2, i wrote a python proggy to do that once :) ehe
[11:22] <Nalioth> Marble2, easytag?
[11:22] <techII> George_: NFS is used for sharing files on a network
[11:22] <George_> samba server
[11:22] <blueyed> tremblay: also see the bugreport I made.. http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10742
[11:22] <Marble2> easytag is uh
[11:22] <techII> its more unixy than smb (samba
[11:22] <devazion> Hi, I installed the package linux-source-2.6.11. Now I need to know where the kernel source is found. Can anybody help me?
[11:22] <hellrazer> can someone tell me implenting the patched orinoco drivers?
[11:22] <George_> i made
[11:22] <Marble2> holycow: have a link to it?
[11:22] <George_> just trying to get printer working
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i removed K3B altogether
[11:23] <George_> i can print from windows machine fine, but i can't (dunno how) in linux. Can anyone tell me how?
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> it wasnt worth it
[11:23] <George_> kde sucko?
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> yup
[11:23] <blueyed> devazion: /usr/src
[11:23] <lotusleaf> shadeofgrey: what about Nero Linux? :P
[11:23] <techII> George_: what are you trying to print from (application)?
[11:23] <tremblay> blueyed: Hoping not to screw up this install yet. :P
[11:23] <George_> no no. i'm trying to print from my Linux Machine
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> so whats the best CD burning program for gnome that looks and behaves the most like nero burning rom?
[11:24] <techII> with what app?
[11:24] <George_> Open Office but i need to set it up. i dont know how to set up?
[11:24] <blueyed> just don't set your own password (with the "users and groups" utility)
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> lotus:  is nero linux free?
[11:24] <lotusleaf> shadeofgrey: well you know Nero does have a gnome based linux version of their app
[11:24] <blueyed> tremblay: ^^
[11:24] <lotusleaf> shadeofgrey: it is if you register the windows retail version ;P
[11:24] <lotusleaf> shadeofgrey: it's gnome based though
[11:24] <techII> George_: open the "printer adminstraton" part of it first
[11:24] <George_> ...bah dunno that
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> okay
[11:25] <moonwitch> anyone any idea on how I can sort my sound (I hear the sound, but it's extremely distorted)
[11:25] <shadeofgrey> let me rephrase my question -- what burning program for gnome has the best GUI?
[11:25] <raiden24> k3b is good
[11:25] <devazion> blueyed: I looked there but i didnt find it... Well i will look again.
[11:25] <techII> george: add a new printer, and chose 'generic printer'
[11:26] <George_> no Network?
[11:26] <levelone> im having problems here with firefox fonts. Whenever i visit a forum page which uses <code> tags, the fonts are invisible.
[11:26] <mypapit> burning software? i only know about k3b
[11:26] <jsolares> it's not for gnome tho, and looks nothing like gnome. i've yet to find one shadeofgrey
[11:26] <George_> ah nevermind
[11:26] <levelone> Here is a screenshot of the problem http://lumumba.luc.ac.be/kemal/Screenshot.png
[11:26] <George_> i gotta idea
[11:26] <blueyed> devazion: I'm not sure..
[11:26] <Jormundgand> How do I choose which side of the desktop icons are created on?
[11:26] <lotusleaf> shadeofgrey: well, I like k3b. ;)
[11:28] <Marble2> What's the best program to batch rename mp3 files and grab track/album info from freedb/amazon? besides easytag
[11:28] <techII> george: youre ok then?
[11:28] <George_> yeah i'm koo
[11:28] <George_> just put it on samba server, go downstairs, and print using xp box
[11:28] <George_> lol
[11:29] <George_> Tech i never got passed Gentoo Partitioning
[11:30] <hybrid_goth> can anyone give me real quick how to ssh to a server? i.e. ssh ip ...
[11:31] <hawke> hybrid_goth: yep, that's how.
[11:31] <hybrid_goth> thats all?
[11:31] <hawke> hybrid_goth: yep.
[11:31] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[11:31] <hawke> hybrid_goth: ip or hostname
[11:31] <l1qu1d> plz im a newb can someone tell me how i copy /paste with the console !! ;(
[11:31] <hawke> hybrid_goth: if you want to connect as a specific user, it's user@ip
[11:32] <techII> hybrid_goth: ip usualy, unless the hostname can be resovled to an ip
[11:32] <zxc> anyone know how to get .rar support for AMD64?
[11:32] <techII> hybrid_goth: of course a ssh server has to be runing on the machine your connecting to
[11:32] <hybrid_goth> hawke: i get an ssh_idenification: read: Connection reset by a peer
[11:33] <hybrid_goth> techII: it does its my schoold server i got on it today at scgool thru putty and login as a teacher :P the have a mac server but every other comp is windoze
[11:34] <hawke> hybrid_goth: that means that the ssh server isn't listening
[11:34] <hybrid_goth> hawke: can i *make* it listen by chance
[11:34] <techII> yes, looks like its firewaled off
[11:34] <hawke> hybrid_goth: not from where you are.  It's probably firewalled if it's at school.
[11:34] <techII> (to it not listening)
[11:34] <hybrid_goth> but i connected at school this morning
[11:34] <hybrid_goth> o i c y
[11:35] <hawke> hybrid_goth: if you were at school, you were probably inside the firewall.
[11:35] <hybrid_goth> ok ty both
[11:35] <hybrid_goth> yea i was
[11:35] <techII> but you are probaly outside of it now
[11:35] <hybrid_goth> yup
[11:35] <JorisK> Hey everyone!
[11:36] <sbcl3> hi
[11:36] <hybrid_goth> hi
[11:36] <JorisK> Anyone here that can tell me Hoary can run Composite on x.org?
[11:36] <hybrid_goth> is a router classified as a firewall
[11:36] <JorisK> i wanna have a very nice desktop :)
[11:36] <techII> hybrid_goth: the firewall is at the school
[11:37] <darkaudit> JorisK: you can, but some games won't like it (such as UT2004)
[11:37] <hybrid_goth> techII: i know but i mean if i was to connect from school to this box would i have to config my router
[11:37] <techII> es
[11:37] <techII> yes
[11:37] <hybrid_goth> ok
[11:37] <techII> 'port forwarding'
[11:37] <JorisK> Ahh well i don;t care about the games
[11:37] <hybrid_goth> port 22
[11:37] <JorisK> it'sjust for running applications u know :)
[11:38] <Jormundgand> How do I choose which side of the desktop icons are created on?
[11:38] <techII> connect to the routers admin interface and forward it to the box you want it to go to
[11:38] <techII> (for hybrid_goth)
[11:38] <Jormundgand> Like, they currently appear by default at the upper left corner, but I want them to appear at the upper right like on a Mac.
[11:38] <hybrid_goth> ok
[11:38] <hybrid_goth> ty
[11:38] <matara> ok got it.. if anyone needs to burn cds
[11:39] <George_> anyone using p2p software in UbuntU?
[11:39] <JorisK> Anyone who knows Looking Glass will work on Ubunti 5.4?
[11:39] <hybrid_goth> George_: bittorent
[11:39] <techII> George_: yes (not me) look in the 'universe' repositories
[11:39] <hybrid_goth> George_: but you can use nicotine gnutella limewire
[11:40] <techII> something-mule (lots of different ones), gnutella, bittorrent (need a .torrent file to download something)
[11:41] <hybrid_goth> bittorent is awesome
[11:41] <hybrid_goth> nicotine was nice
[11:41] <hybrid_goth> gnutella was _*UGLY*_
[11:42] <darkaudit> I used the giFT gnutella plugin for Apollon
[11:42] <techII> yes, theres 'giFT' which uses plugins for various networks
[11:42] <flodine> anyone on fluxbox
[11:42] <JorisK> Anyone here that can tell me ATI Radeon drivers are availible for Ubuntu?
[11:43] <matara> yes
[11:43] <matara> i have the ones from ati itself
[11:43] <darkaudit> flodine: not at the moment, but yes
[11:43] <Badness45> anyone no where i could get the libdvdcss from
[11:43] <matara> just download the rpm from them
[11:44] <slak> hi friends
[11:44] <Badness45> the dvd player xine said i need that
[11:44] <Nikita> hey slak
[11:44] <flodine> darkaudit why cant i set my wallpapers on flux
[11:44] <matara> then instal them with sudo alien -i
[11:44] <slak> i made this art for the ubuntu website CHECK IT OUT! http://www.signal-9.net/ubuntu.png
[11:44] <darkaudit> flodine: fbsetbg
[11:44] <slak> they said they are gonna use it
[11:44] <slak> im stoaked
[11:44] <flodine> i did that fbsetbg
[11:44] <flodine> still dont work
[11:45] <darkaudit> flodine: bsetbg (from blackbox)
[11:45] <Nikita> slak: lol you so crazy!
[11:45] <slak> http://www.signal-9.net/ubuntu.png what you guys think
[11:45] <flodine> so no fbsetbg
[11:45] <slak> of the new ubuntu logo
[11:45] <flodine> just bsetbg
[11:46] <darkaudit> flodine: you'll need Blackbox to get that app
[11:46] <darkaudit> or get eterm and use Esetroot
[11:46] <flodine> why is this flux diffrent then others
[11:46] <slak> i installed dat dependecee maltliquorlib.so and u know wut my ubuntu did?
[11:46] <slak> it forgot to pay its child support
[11:46] <slak> i had to recompile dat kernel!
[11:46] <slak> CAN U BELEEV DAT?
[11:46] <darkaudit> I prefer Esetroot... plays best with gdesklets and such
[11:47] <Badness45> anyone no where i could get the libdvdcss from
[11:47] <LinuxJones> slak, please stop talking and posting links to that crap
[11:47] <Badness45> the dvd player xine said i need that
[11:47] <Badness45> to play dvds
[11:47] <slak> Linux Jones: DONT BE A HATA I JUS WANNA LINUX IT UP WIFF U PEEPLZ
[11:47] <darkaudit> Badness45: backports, marillat, or cerkinfo
[11:47] -Nikita:#ubuntu- Nikita has sent you an instant message, type /server getmsg to receive it
[11:47] <dark> oye.....
[11:48] <slak> LinuxJones: CAN U TELL ME HOW 2 FIX MY LIBBABYMAMADRAMA-2.so.400 ??
[11:48] <LinuxJones> slak, we don't appreciate racial slurs around here
[11:48] <dark> Nikita: thanks, got the message, ill call you at 8
[11:48] <darkaudit> \/server getmsg
[11:48] <slak> I NOT RACIAL SLURIN
[11:48] <Jormundgand> /server getmsg
[11:48] <slak> I LUV UBUNTU IT POWERED BY CIRCLE OF NIGGERS RUNNIN IN BIG HAMSTER WHEEL
[11:48] <Jormundgand> HAY GUYZ IT R NOT WORKING
[11:48] <slak> UBUNTU FO LYFE
[11:48] <slak> WHERES DA WADDYMELON
[11:48] <JorisK> shut up fucking idiot
[11:48] <hybrid_goth> god bless /ignore
[11:48] <JorisK> ah kewl
[11:49] <JorisK> gonna use it then :)
[11:49] <slak> WHAA? I JUS TALKIN BOUT HOW GOOD UBUNTU BE
[11:49] <JorisK> yeah
[11:49] <JorisK> works
[11:49] <JorisK> :)
[11:49] <slak> I GOT CORN ROWS TOO DONT PLAYA HATE
[11:49] <JorisK> thnx hybrid_goth :)
[11:49] <LinuxJones> slak, please stop
[11:49] <thoreauputic> ajmitch_: ops!
[11:49] <hybrid_goth> np
[11:49] <JorisK> use /irgnore
[11:49] <hybrid_goth> dont feed the troll LinuxJones
[11:49] <JorisK> they prolly made that command for idiots like him :)
[11:50] <LinuxJones> hybrid_goth, I know :)
[11:50] <Badness45> yeah i got cut off
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> JorisK: yes they did
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> LinuxJones: ok :D
[11:50] <Badness45> where u said to go for the libdvdcss
[11:50] <hybrid_goth> Badness45: i believe it is in multiverse
[11:50] <JorisK> Hey guys
[11:50] <darkaudit> Badness45: backports, marillat, or cerkinfo
[11:50] <JorisK> do you know ATI 3D works with Ubuntu?
[11:50] <Badness45> daark: what is that
[11:50] <Nikita> Alright I'm done.  GO UBUNTU YOU ROCK! later guys.
[11:50] <JorisK> I want to install Looking Glass on my Laptop
[11:51] <JorisK> with Ubuntu
[11:51] <JorisK> but do you guys have any idea this works?
[11:51] <zyga> JorisK: it does
[11:51] <darkaudit> Badness45: different repos... backports.ubuntuforums.org
[11:51] <JorisK> Software Rendering wouldn't be a good idea :)
[11:51] <spartacus> JorisK, yes it works
[11:51] <slak> HI THOM WHADDUP G, CAN U HELP ME WIFF KFC UTILATEES
[11:51] <JorisK> geez
[11:51] <shido6> ati 3d sorta works
[11:51] <JorisK> Sorta?
[11:51] <slak> I INSTALLED IT AND I PRESSED DA BUTTON
[11:51] <JorisK> :)
[11:51] <shido6> my 9800 works
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Badness45: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:51] <JorisK> yeah
[11:51] <shido6> the AIW stuff doesnt
[11:51] <JorisK> but this is a laptop
[11:51] <darkaudit> k-line time for this idiot
[11:51] <slak> BUT NO CHICKEN CAME OUTA MY THANG
[11:51] <JorisK> it prolly got some sort of mobile chipset from ATI
[11:51] <spartacus> JorisK, which chip?
[11:51] <Badness45> ok imma look
[11:51] <JorisK> hold on
[11:51] <slak> I CAN SEE IT ON THA TV
[11:51] <JorisK> gonna check it out
[11:52] <zenlunatic> Anyone notice konqueror loads pages slower than gecko stuff?
[11:52] <darkaudit> thom: thx :)
[11:52] <hybrid_goth> thank you thom
[11:52] <thoreauputic> thanks thom
[11:52] <spartacus> JorisK, i'm running XiG server on my ATI box. setup is a pita, but it works pretty well
[11:53] <JorisK> ARGH, i just found out my laptop doesn't have a 3D card :/
[11:53] <spartacus> JorisK, 80% faster GL than Xorg DRI
[11:53] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, have you noticed that Safari (based on konquerors engine) loads pages FASTER than gecko?
[11:53] <JorisK> What's XiG?
[11:53] <JorisK> I got an Radeon 9800SE on my workstation spartacus
[11:53] <zenlunatic> Nalioth: I don't use safari.
[11:53] <ablyss> yo all
[11:53] <spartacus> JorisK, XI Graphics. They sell a commerical X Server
[11:53] <Nalioth> zenlunatic, have you heard of kmozilla? (its gecko wearing a konqueror jacket)
[11:54] <zenlunatic> Nalioth: Never heard of it.
[11:54] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: w3m beats gecko and konquor
[11:54] <zyga> spartacus: interesting
[11:54] <zyga> spartacus: did you try to run any commercial apps?
[11:55] <holycow> hybrid_goth, w3m? say what?
[11:55] <hybrid_goth> holycow: the cli broswer
[11:55] <holycow> ah
[11:55] <holycow> hehe :)
[11:55] <spartacus> zyga, no need as yet... just opera and what not. i wanted the gl/vo for tv-out and mplayer and 3d games
[11:55] <hybrid_goth> holycow: scared me for a sec
[11:56] <zoo> hello
[11:57] <darkaudit> how about these firefox tweaks: http://www.techzonez.com/forums/printthread.php?t=12614&page=1&pp=15
[11:57] <zoo> How do I get the "Send to ... bluetootdevice" dialog in nautilus?
[11:57] <zoo> I saw this on gentoo yesterday and want it with 5.04 too