kayI guess, you ought to select "no timezone" there12:02
DaBladeI'm 80km southeast of Oslo, but that doesn't matter lol12:02
kayfor kicker applet, select in context menu, timezone "local"12:02
DaBladeno timezone?12:02
kayYeah, if your BIOS is already 1h off...12:03
DaBladeyay now it seems normal12:03
KaiLis there no way to re-set the bios time interpretition?12:03
thoreauputicDaBlade: you can rerun base-config ( sudo base-config) and change the answer for time zone, otherwise the windows boot will ne wrong next time it boote12:03
DaBladeNo need, thoreaputic. it seems to work nicely now12:03
kayThe problems come when you dual boot then12:04
DaBladebut one more thing. if I accidently roll the mouse wheel over the clock applet, it'll change timezone. is it possible to stop that from happening?12:04
thoreauputicDaBlade: yes, but the test is what windows will do next time it boots :)12:04
kayOr ntpdate fails12:04
kayDaBlade: I only managed that by configuration of the thing and hunting down all timezones and disabling them12:04
KaiLDaBlade: rerunning base-config and then saying "clock is NOT set to GMT" would fix it the clean way ;)12:04
kayDaBlade: So I don't have timezones their and it doesn't get accidently changed12:05
DaBladeok thanks for the help people :)12:05
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kaybtw, it took me months to understand why the timezone changed randomly 12:05
DaBlademe too lol12:06
DaBladeI ended up asking on some Mandrake forum, and some guy told me it's the wheel lol12:06
kayKaiL: Well, it's certainly more professional to have UTC in your notebook clock and when you travel around the world to only change the timezone12:06
DaBlade(I used first Knoppix, then Fedora Core 2, then Mandrake, Fedora Core 3 and now Kubuntu)12:06
kayKaiL: Otherwise, people will be having to change time in BIOS12:06
KaiLkay: that's an argument 12:07
DaBladeok, disabled all timezones..no more accidental switches :D12:07
kayThat kicker applet feature is anti-usability or so12:08
DaBladeI think switching it with the mouse is something KDE should change...12:08
kaySomebody wanting to show off features nobody needs with non-obvious ways to use12:08
DaBladeoh, and one more thing12:08
DaBladehow do I make the trashbin appear on the desktop?12:08
DaBladeI don't want it in kicker12:08
kayNo idea, have no desktop and no trashbin applet :p12:09
DaBladeI miss the regular trashbin that was in KDE up to 3.312:09
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Diablo-D3kde is full of anti-usability12:10
shivI keep getting this message cp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory12:10
Diablo-D3but gnome, on the other hand, is all anti-usability12:10
kayDiablo-D3: Not so bad12:10
shiveventhough I put the file there12:10
kayDiablo-D3: I meant KDE12:10
Diablo-D3and windows is as anti-usability as it gets12:11
DaBladeWindoze is as anti-anything as it gets12:11
Diablo-D3oh shush transgress 12:11
DaBladeBut it's reliable if you like seeing lots of blue12:11
kayWell, I forgot about it anyway12:11
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transgressyou are trolling fox news style12:11
Diablo-D3I just think it can get better12:11
kayYeah, my Windows collegues have not seen BSOD for months now12:12
=== DaBlade loves KDE, except for a few things, like the clock and the lack of a trash folder on the desktop
DaBladekay: I saw one half a week ago when dad had windoze problems lol12:12
kayThe point of Linux is a different, being nicer to use in about everything12:12
Diablo-D3DaBlade: I _still_ dont get the lack of a trash can link on the desktop12:12
KaiLkay: they don't use windows any more?12:12
KaiLor how that?12:12
kkathmanI like the trash folder at the far end of the tray...its out of the way :)12:12
kayNo, we just code and remote work on Unix and Linux :p12:12
DaBladeI like it on the desktop12:12
Diablo-D3I dont like the trash link on the bar12:13
shivdoes this mean anything /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop' is malformatted12:13
Diablo-D3I removed it becayse its wasting space12:13
kayTaking sleep...12:13
Diablo-D3shiv: it means its a broken file12:13
Diablo-D3night kay12:13
kkathmanIve gotten used to, in ubuntu, trying to have virtually nothing on the desktop, and more in the bottom two panels, which keeps things accessible when Im running applications. That way I dont constantly have to move windows to get to something12:16
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kkathmanso whats new Diablo-D3  anything good goin on?12:18
Diablo-D3and I seem to be having the trashcan discussion in #kde-devel12:19
KaiLI guess that's an endless one12:19
kkathmanI imagine, like many things, its a matter of preference...you should be able to like create an icon on the screen and link it to the trash I'd think12:23
mrmanicI don't use the trash12:23
gdhIs Riddell around tonight? :)12:23
gdhI've found a stupid bug in the kmail package in kubuntu12:23
kkathmanuh oh12:24
mrmanicmy kmail keeps crashing12:24
kkathmanI dont use kmail so I dont know 12:24
gdhThanks to till on #kolab, the KMail.desktop shouldn't have 'Hidden=true'12:24
gdhsince it stops Kontact's Kolab client support from working12:25
mrmanicthings really don't like it when there isn't any room in your home directory12:25
Riddellgdh: hello12:25
gdhEvening :)12:25
gdh[23:22]  *till* Feel free to tell him to ping me, or something, in case it's unclear.12:25
gdh[23:22]  *till* I would love to know who thought it was a good idea to do that.12:25
transgresswhat is kolab?12:25
Riddellhmm, how come it stops the Kolab client from working?12:26
gdhRiddell: /msg till :)12:26
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mrmanictransgress: a groupware server.12:26
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transgressah i see12:26
gdhheheh :))12:26
tillRiddell: Heya.12:26
Riddellhi till 12:26
tillRiddell: Let me guess, you meant to disable KMail in favour of Kontact?12:26
Riddelltill: that's the one12:26
transgressyeah why is that?  kontact is way overkill... i had to add that crap to my menu12:27
tillRiddell: Ok, that was not the way to do it. :)12:27
gdhtill: Haven't you heard that all-in-one giant apps are better than single-purpose ones? :)12:27
transgresskmail being that crap12:27
kakaltodoes anyone here use kitchensync?12:27
transgressgdh: you meant transgress huh?12:27
Riddelltill: how come it stops the kolab client from working?12:27
gdhtransgress: no...12:27
mrmanickakalto: do you mean multisynk?12:27
kakaltono, I mean the kitchensync12:28
transgressgdh: oh... well it would've answered my question quite well... in a sarcastic tone12:28
tillRiddell: you disabled KMail (and it's part) from providing the ResourceBackend servicetype.12:28
tillRiddell: proko2 has a dcopkontact.desktop which does things properly.12:28
mrmanickakalto: i've tried, but I don't get it working successfully.12:28
Riddelltill: what's proko2?12:28
tillRiddell: the name of the branch for Project Kolab 212:29
tillRiddell: Where they did the same thing.12:29
kakaltomrmanic, I was just wondering what it does...12:29
gdhtransgress: I'm too nice for that =)12:29
tillRiddell: Properly. ;)12:29
kakaltolike, you wash dishes in it?12:29
mrmanickakalto: it's a sync engine, I think12:29
tillRiddell: Want me to mail you that? Can you guys maybe provide an updated package somehow?12:30
mrmanickakalto: it uses plugins to sync with things that have plugins for syncing with them12:30
mrmanicfor example12:30
Riddelltill: well we can fix it for the next release12:30
gdhI am just happy that for once there /was/ a real problem with the dist rather than just me being a fucktard =)12:30
Riddelltill: e-mailing it would be good12:30
kakaltogdh :)12:30
tillRiddell: Will do that, then.12:30
mrmanickakalto: it SHOULD allow syncing between kontact and pocketpc, though currently that doesn't work for me.12:30
tillRiddell: At least you are now aware that kolab support is completely broken. :)12:30
Riddellgdh: there are many more problems I can assure you12:31
tillRiddell: which email?12:31
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Riddelltill: jr@jriddell.org12:31
gdhRiddell: Better to know about them than live in ignorant bliss =)12:31
Riddellgdh: fancy making a bugzilla entry?12:31
gdhSure, cando...12:32
mrmanickakalto: my confusion was that kitchensync is the engine and multisynk is the program that is used by kontact, I think.12:33
transgresswould making kmail visible, such as going into control center and adding it back to the panel help?  out of curiousity12:33
tilltransgress: with the kolab problem?12:33
transgressor is this a compilation thing12:34
gdhRiddell: Done... 1074412:36
tilltransgress: No, that would not help.12:36
tilltransgress: The desktop file needs to be changed, it has a wrong line in it.12:37
tillRiddell: sent.12:37
tillgdh: Thanks for helping to track this down, i'm logging out of your box, nuke the account. :)12:37
Riddellah, NoDisplay.  interesting12:38
gdhno worries, happy I could, er, 'help' :)12:38
Tezkahso if I turn my laptop screen off12:38
Tezkahand turn it back on12:38
Tezkahit comes back as garbled X12:38
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tillCheerio, kunbutus.12:39
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Tm_Thmm, my apache give only 404 =)12:43
mrmanicbetter your apache than your bank account :\12:44
gdhHm, just found another bug, but this one's in 'regular' kmail - no groupware shiz :) 12:44
gdhShould I report to kubuntu bugzilla or kde.org ?12:44
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Tm_Thahaa, user error12:53
Tm_Tapche up and running nicely12:53
Tm_Tnow if I can run blog ...12:53
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transgressgdh: what bug?12:58
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simpleeokay, another question now, i got the drive for the card installed and saying installed ndis drivers: bcwml5 driver present, hardware present01:02
gdhtransgress: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1074501:02
simpleedid ndiswrapper -m and it said "adding " alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules.conf01:02
simpleebut no dice01:02
Diablo-D3grr wtf01:03
simpleeso i try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper01:03
Diablo-D3why the hell cant I tab complete packages01:03
simpleeFATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)01:03
simpleeand get that01:03
simpleeanybody know :/01:03
GameCati have what may be a silly question; is there any way to make an icon that will automatically mount an nfs share and open konq, like the way CDs are handled?01:03
gdhGameCat: Likely you need to add a line to /etc/fstab especially with the 'user' option - that's what allows normal users to mount a drive01:05
GameCatgdh: I have fstab set up fine, user can mount the nfs share from a console01:05
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GameCatI just want to know if i can do it from an icon01:06
gdhGameCat: How about right click on desktop -> Create New ->  Link To Device -> NFS01:06
transgresssimplee: ndiswrapper -l01:06
gdhthen change the Device tab ?01:06
transgresswhat's it say?01:07
simpleei'm not on kubuntu right now01:07
GameCatgdh: ah, I'll give that a go, thanks01:07
simpleeinstalled ndis drivers:01:07
simpleebcmwl5 driver present, hardware present01:07
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simpleeokay (:01:07
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transgresssimplee: you get the package for ndiswrapper?01:08
simpleeyeah used it and everything01:08
simpleegot it to install the drive01:08
Hussamis there a program simmilar to vmware for linux but for free?01:08
simpleeadded the wlan0 alias to ndiswrapper 01:09
simpleeand it said it _should_ be up and running01:09
simpleeif not, then do sudo modprobe ndiswrapper01:09
simpleeso i did that, and got that error01:09
gdhHussam: qemu01:11
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nmorseright, so kdevelop -setup seems to be missing more than a few things01:14
nmorsethat I can't find01:14
nmorseSGML2HTML? Where is it? No package named it like in Debian01:14
nmorseScratch that, it's been renamed to sgmltools-lite01:15
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KaiLmepisman: mepis user or mepis developer?01:19
foodcomanI sure wish I had more time to spend in channel.01:21
foodcomanHas anyone of you played with the IVTV stuff for Hauppauge and Myth TV?01:22
gdhNah I use proper digital stuff, not analogue encoders :)01:24
foodcomanIf one where to go DTV what devices and sofware for (k)Ubuntu would be a great choice?01:25
gdhI don't think there are any packaged DVB viewer apps in Ubuntu01:26
gdhKaxTV etc.01:26
gdhThere's 'kvdr' but that need a full-feature DVB card (200 EUR) etc.01:27
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foodcomanUS is a bit behind in the Digital realm I believe!  Especially with the Broadcast Flag issues!01:29
gdhNice to see that shit got thrown out :)01:29
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GameCatswap you :)01:30
foodcomanSure was!  I wonder though what the next attack is?  They aren't going to give up that easy.  Probably the attack downloader!01:31
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foodcoman...downloaders of TV recordings.01:31
gdhGameCat: Not surprised :)01:31
darkauditfoodcoman: shot down, but now the MPAA wants the congressmen in it's pocket to rewrite the law to bring it back01:31
gdhmodchips for Xbox, for PC and soon for your TV... 01:31
GameCatgdh: nor me, but not impressed either :/01:31
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transgressso they are suing the tv downloaders now huh?01:32
gdhyes :)01:32
transgresswell... that sucks... seeing as it's the only way i watch the 3 shows a week that i watch01:32
foodcomantransgress: I have not seen a specific example, but because the material is Copyrighted, they will be soon.01:32
simpleeany idea on the error ;o01:33
transgressi thought the mpaa didn't have power over tv01:33
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foodcomanThat still leaves open their ability to attack the suppliers and downloaders.01:33
transgressNO!  btefnet is already gone!01:33
sirukinI saw that01:34
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transgressgood god damn it... now i have to find somewhere else to dl american dad01:35
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foodcomanor you will all have to start running onion routers.01:35
kkathmanrofl transgress01:36
kkathmanI have serious doubts that the world will go 100% digital in the near future tho01:37
kkathmanthere is simply too much advertising pressure to keep that from happening until the price is competitive for the average family. 01:38
mrmanica buddy of mine got sued for running a tv tracker.01:38
foodcomanI have found it necessary to keep it legal from my perspective.  I paid my dues once already.01:39
foodcomanLet me just say that it can be one very expensive hobby!01:39
transgressmrmanic: that sucks... i got bitched at by my ISP for downloading a movie01:40
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transgressi'd give my right leg for the woman who sued comcast to win... bet that'd put a cramp in the MPAA's and RIAA's style01:40
=== foodcoman was former Drinkordie!
NTolerancethis non-transparent GAIM systray icon is really cramping my style01:41
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kkathmanI got a new notice in the mail, that a new provider is offering fiber optic broadband..for the same price Im paying now, I can get 15Mb download which works out to 10x faster than what I have today with my DSL01:43
foodcomanSmokin fast!01:43
kkathmanthat would mean I could download a movie in like 5 minutes :)01:43
mrmanicthis is funny01:43
NToleranceare you talking about FIOS kkathman 01:45
kkathmanNTolerance: yes01:45
NToleranceyou're a lucky bastard01:45
NTolerancei live in the state capital and i can't get that :(01:45
kkathmaneven luckier that my company will just pay for it01:46
kkathmanseems there has to be a catch tho01:46
kkathmanbut my colleague checked it out and its all legit and you CAN get those speeds01:46
foodcomanI came from DSL and Cable has made getting Linux distro, Package updates, Packages and VPN a dream.01:47
kkathmanI get reasonable speed on my DSL, but 15Mb is like WOW01:47
kkathmanmost people around here get 500 or 768 down and around 128 up....I currently get 1.5Mb down and 384 up01:48
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foodcomanI would like a touch more up for VPN to make Remote desktop sessions for server administration a little faster!01:49
gdhUK average is now 1M/256.... but 15M down - cool :)01:49
pussfelleri got like 1100 both ways01:50
gdhda fonk :)01:50
gdhwould happily sacrifice download for more up01:50
pussfelleri notice they are capping emule upstream tho01:51
gdhdon't give a shit about p2p, a good news feed is much more fun01:51
gdhand nzb's make it a piece of piss01:51
foodcomanhahaha, gdh you subscribe to a feed and uudecode most of your stuff.  I used to long ago!01:52
pussfellerim sooo glad to be away from comcast and their shitty 30K up01:52
pussfellerlousy narcs to boot01:53
foodcomanMany of the readers automate the pieces nicely now.01:53
gdhfoodcoman: no, www.newzbin.com. download nzb, tell 'nzbget' to get it. come back in a few hours.01:53
gdhnone of the 'download a million article headers' bollocks.01:53
pussfelleri used to use nget, but roadrunners news support sucked01:53
gdhtrue that many ISP news services suck, I guess we're quite lucky01:55
gdhplus I have access to others from work, etc. so can proxy through them01:55
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GameCatI use easynews01:55
GameCatmy isp barely HAS a news server01:55
GameCatwhat are these readers of which you speak? anyone got a fave?01:56
foodcomanComcast is getting their service from Giganews  1 or 2 gig per month with your cable account.01:56
GameCatthats a good idea, saves them having to admin the bugger themselves01:57
gdhI don't use a reader, just newzbin.com (or http://alt.binaries.nl if you can't afford 50p per week) and 'Grabit' for windows or nzbget for *IX01:57
shivis anybody able to install this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2398101:57
foodcomanSomebody was talking about a small fast one, that was not part of the repositories.01:57
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GameCatgdh: ah right, the easynews interface is terrific for web, I was thinking more of a desktop client01:57
foodcomanPAN will work though.01:57
shivhow do i move the trash can to desktop?01:58
GameCat50p? you have to be in the UK :)01:58
gdhGameCat: PayPal :)01:58
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gdhshiv: lame, but create a shortcut to "trash:/" ?01:59
foodcomanCan KDE be told not to use the Trash at all?01:59
gdhok you wont get the two different icons for 'full trash' and 'empty trash'..01:59
GameCatthats where I am anyway, but I buy my usenet in US$ as it happens01:59
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foodcomanStarwars is about a week out eh?02:06
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sproingieStar Wars Episode 3: Closure For Disgruntled Fans02:07
foodcomanI was in line the opening day for the 1st one.  I was about 10.  My older brother took me.02:07
crimsunI'm not falling for that hype again02:07
foodcomanI will wait till it all chills out then go see it.  It better than watching a chick flick with my wife!  hehehe02:08
sproingiei guess GL started butchering SW the year after it was released02:08
sproingie1978 star wars holiday special02:08
sproingieeven GL is ashamed of that one02:08
foodcomanThat special probably became the concept for SpaceBallz02:09
GameCatno way - the man has no shame - have you *seen* phantom menace??02:09
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Kortoris it bad if, while booting, 'Setting sensors limit' fails?02:09
sproingiethe only difference is that he had shame then02:09
sirukinthe worst was the show about the family living with ewoks02:10
sproingieit bears noting that the best movie of the series, empire strikes back, was NOT directed by GL02:10
GameCatsirukin: glad I missed that02:11
transgressanyone know of a howto on setting up sensors in kubuntu?02:11
sirukinI never knew GL had aspergers02:11
GameCattransgress: isn't it the same as everywhere else? just run sensors-detect in a konsole?02:11
sirukinI love /.02:12
sproingieand sirukin has tourettes :)02:12
GameCattransgress: unless it's a thinkpad02:12
transgressit's not a thinkpad... i didn't know it was that simple though since i've never bothered with it heh02:12
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crimsunkeyword: breezy02:12
crimsunyou know full well it's going to be broken for another couple months02:13
transgressGameCat: what package is that in?  i don't have it02:13
GameCatah right - don't ever do it on a thinkpad - the probing fucks up the firmware on some models, needing a factory reset to get booting again02:13
foodcomanTime to get the weekend started!  Kids to feed, wife to satisfy..... Oh the work never ends.  Be good people and.......Behave while I'm gone!02:13
sproingieyep.  gotta downgrade now02:13
transgressprobably need to install lm-sensors huh?  heh02:14
sproingiei'll probably just ride it out.  i can still log in and run most of kde02:14
GameCatlm-sensors - Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors02:14
GameCattransgress: pay attention :)02:14
sproingiestuff disappears off the panel randomly, but i can still run it :)02:14
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sproingiei prefer to ride out the bleeding edge til i can't boot no more :)02:17
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transgressah well that was simple... guess i gotta reboot now02:17
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GameCattransgress: why?02:18
transgresswell i figure it's easier than hand modprobing those modules02:18
GameCatah right02:19
gdhyou ain't in redmond anymore :)02:19
transgressit's too true02:20
transgressbut i'm still lazy nevertheless02:20
transgressactually it appears to have loaded them for me... so umm... what's something to test it with?02:20
GameCatI'm more of a "reboot only if you absolutely have to" type - I'd do the modprobes :)02:20
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transgressi hate rebooting02:20
transgressokay well umm... there is nothing showing in ksensors...02:22
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GameCatdid you tell it where to read from?02:23
transgresswell no... i haven't used sensors before... i only recently got linux on a system that has them02:24
sproingiei dont think the sensors have ever worked for me02:24
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GameCatah right - sensors-detect will have told you what it found, config ksensorts to read those values02:24
GameCatthat always worked okay for me - beyond that, I'm no help ;/02:24
transgressi don't see a section for adding that stuff on ksensors...02:26
transgressjust stuff about uptime, ram, cpu load02:26
GameCatno properties dialogs?02:26
transgressin the properties02:27
transgressi don't see much of crap02:27
transgressunder system information i see CPU Speed, CPU State, RAM Used, Swap used, Up Time... and then in preferences i see update intervals02:28
GameCathang on I'll install it02:28
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gdhso much for sensors-detect :)02:28
transgresswell it detected my stuff... loaded modules for it... not sure of the problem... 02:29
nmorsehey, crimsun, can you help me with a sound problem?02:30
bdmpI am trying to set up wireless on an averatec 3200.  can someone give me some idea of how to do that?02:30
transgressbdmp: x86 or amd64?02:31
GameCattransgress: i can't get ksesnsors to display anything on here either02:31
nmorseMy ali m5451 sound card has all of its modules loaded, but I still get no sound. I tried setting all the volumes with alsamixer, alsamixergui, and kmix02:31
nmorseNothing seems to help02:31
nmorseDo you guys have the i2whatever sensors module installed?02:32
transgressis averatec 3200 the wireless card or computer?02:32
transgressnmorse: yes02:32
bdmpthe comp it has a built in wireless card02:32
bdmpGemtek (Broadcom) wireless lan driver/MSI Ralink Driver02:33
transgressbdmp: k... well ima give you a link for how to do it on amd64... follow those directions except for the steps that say something about changin x86 to amd6402:33
bdmpI have 3 guides of how to set it up on 3 different distros but I always get lost and mess stuff up so i thought I would ask02:33
transgressbdmp: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu02:34
bdmpcan you explain the concept of what I would do. just basically02:34
GameCattransgress:  I had to do the modprobes manually, then rerun ksensors and got a new config page with the sensors on - it works here - check your modprobes 02:35
transgressbdmp: that's worked for just about everyone i've sent to it... just don't change the files... should be as easy as make deb from the ndiswrapper source, install the .deb's, install the drivers for your wireless to ndiswrapper, modprobe ndiswrapper, and that's about it02:35
transgressGameCat: they are in lsmod02:36
GameCattransgress: fair enough - I wonder why they aren't showing then02:36
transgressFATAL: Error inserting i2c_isa (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-isa.ko): Operation not permitted02:39
transgressthat might be the problem02:39
GameCatsudo the modprobe02:39
transgressstill no temps02:41
GameCatI do that a lot - still getting used to not having a root shell02:41
GameCatin that case, I'm stumped m8, sorry02:42
transgressperhaps i should try smbus instead of isa02:42
transgressdunno if it will make a difference on working or not... but that's the only option i wasn't sure off02:42
GameCatmaybe - i use it here02:42
transgressisa or smbus?02:42
nmorse'passwd root' works for making a root account and therefore root shells02:43
GameCatnmorse: yeah, but I'm trying to get used to the way (k)ubuntu does it - I like the idea behind the locking out of root02:43
GameCatalso, sudo -i gives you a temp root shell02:44
GameCatstill, i try to avoid it :)02:44
transgressthat changed absolutely nothing02:44
GameCattransgress: bummer02:44
transgressyeah but who wants a root account when sudo is so awesome02:44
GameCatsorry I can't be more help02:44
transgresssudo -s02:44
transgressGameCat: it's all good02:44
GameCattransgress: want a screenshot of it working? :)02:45
transgressmaybe that reboot will do it02:45
transgresslol sure02:45
transgressreboot got my video card kicking02:45
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bdmptransgress: what information am I supposed to change in this command? apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-`uname -r`02:47
Tm_Tbah, can't do even simple mysql stuff =)02:48
bdmpnevermind. I got it. I had kynaptic open02:48
transgressbdmp: you aren't02:49
transgressbdmp: except add an sudo in front of apt-get02:49
transgressyeah that'll do it02:49
bdmpit wouldn't work but then i realized I had knyaptic open02:49
bdmpon another topic, I have a mounted usb hard drive but i can't write of delete files. the permissions must be wrong.  How do I change them?02:50
transgressbdmp: what format is the usb drive?  ntfs?02:51
transgressumm then yeah it's probably just the permissions02:51
GameCatlook at /etc/fstab02:51
bdmpi was in the ubuntu forums and they said their usb devices automount, but mine don't so i had to oldfashioned mount it. does yours auto mount in kubuntu?02:52
GameCattransgress: you can also try looking for your sesnors with ksysguard - that is installed :)02:53
GameCatthey show up in there for me here02:53
gdhYeh... when I plug a USB key in, an icon appears on the desktop02:53
gdhsame with CD-ROMs02:53
bdmpno way02:53
bdmpnot me 02:53
bdmpwhat can I do?02:53
GameCatbdmp: same here, pops up an icon02:53
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bdmpmaybe before i start messing with permissions I should get that fixed02:54
bdmpi installed mandriva LE2005 and that wouldn't even see my usb02:55
bdmpso i tried kubuntu. so far Ilike this much better.02:56
GameCattransgress: also, try "sensors" in a konsole03:01
transgresstransgress@freebox:~$ sensors03:01
transgressNo sensors found!03:01
KaiLdid you ever run "sensors-detect"?03:01
KaiL(as root)03:01
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transgressand it detected them03:02
GameCatmost odd03:02
transgressi actually still have that shell open if you'd like to see in #flood or something...03:02
KaiLSocket A with VIA KT133 or so? ;)03:02
kanuhawould this command bind control-alt-s to a program?  bind C-M-s /usr/bin/program name03:03
bdmptransgress: the faq says to download the source and change file names to amd64 from 1386, but I have i386 and there is a deb on the page. Can i just use the deb?03:03
transgressbdmp: i'd still try the source... it seems to work better... 03:03
transgressbdmp: but it's ultimately up to you03:03
bdmpso download the source. make it a deb and install it?03:04
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KaiLtransgress: oh, you let it wrote the modules into /etc/modules?03:04
transgressKaiL: yes03:04
KaiLand did you load them manually too?03:04
transgressyeah, even though they were already loaded in lsmod i tried modprobing them anyway03:04
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KaiL# no driver for Winbond W83792D yet03:07
KaiL...nForce3 03:07
KaiLden smbus-arp gibt's hier irgendwie nicht03:08
KaiLit87 reicht aber03:08
transgresseh to this point i've done fine w/o them... guess i'll just wait and figure this out later03:08
GameCatannoying though03:09
KaiLuh, lang=EN ;)03:09
KaiLsmbus-arp doesn't exist, but that doesn't seam to be important, as I can get the interesting information from it8703:09
gdhwow I never knew that fanspeed/temp sensor setup was so easy =)03:09
gdhmind, I have an old P3 mobo.03:10
KaiLgdh: it is since kernel 2.6, as all those modules are in the kernel now  03:10
KaiLbefore you needed to compile them03:10
gdhKaiL: I think that's the pain I remember03:10
KaiLand with 2.2 you even needed to compile i2c03:10
KaiLonly problem: to find out, what is the CPU temp sensor03:11
bdmptransgress: the next step says "Change the i386 to amd64 in all of them. After that go back to the ndiswrapper-version directory and make deb, and then dpkg -i ndiswrapper*amd64.deb." how do I make deb?03:11
KaiLbdmp: ndiswrapper on amd64 is useless afair03:11
bdmpi don't have amd6403:12
transgressbdmp: remember i said to skip all the steps that said to cahnge to amd6403:12
KaiLor are there now win64 drivers? ;)03:12
transgressKaiL: no it isn't... mine is running fine03:12
bdmpi didn't chage the file names03:12
transgressbdmp: then make deb03:12
transgressand dpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb03:12
bdmpi just left that in as context so you could tell where i was03:12
KaiLtransgress: you had the success to find a win64 driver?03:12
transgressKaiL: yeah... w/o a bit of trouble03:13
KaiLor does it use the 32bit ones?03:13
bdmphow do I make deb, is  what i want to ask?03:13
transgressKaiL: http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/drivers.php <-- 64bit03:13
transgressbdmp: "make deb"03:14
bdmpmake deb and then the file name?03:14
transgressjust make deb03:14
bdmpI am really new at this. I don't get it. in the command line type make deb with no file name?03:15
GameCatmake deb03:15
GameCatlike that 03:15
bdmpI got "bdmp@chibi:~$ make deb03:16
bdmpmake: *** No rule to make target `deb'.  Stop.03:16
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transgressbdmp: what is your pwd?03:16
transgressGameCat: 10 to 1 odds that he is in the wrong directory03:16
bdmpyeah I am03:16
transgressit's a command... 03:17
gdhpwd = current directory03:17
gdhtype 'pwd' :)03:17
gdhdon't paste us your login password, etc.03:17
bdmpI untared with ark cuz i don't know how to do it in the command line03:17
transgressbdmp: just do a cd .. and i think it will put you in the right dir03:17
transgressas long as it is untared and has a directory it should be fine03:17
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bdmpgot it. thanks03:19
bdmpit made two debs. is that normal?03:20
bdmputils and moduals03:21
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transgressthat's why you put the * in there03:21
transgressdpkg -i ndiswrapper*.deb will take care of it03:22
bdmpok so i install both03:22
transgressyeah but unless i'm forgetting it will take care of both of them if you use the wildcard03:22
transgresswow... some people amaze me... if you smoke pot they think you'll do anything... like methadone... i'm like wtf... i don't even take tylenol03:24
gdh... and now Bob with the weather....03:24
transgressthat line makes me think of bill hicks03:25
GameCatah, sweet departed bill03:25
gdhBill Hicks is an overrated twat.03:25
transgressgdh: you wanna die tonight?03:25
gdhOoh I brought out the Klingon in you :)03:25
gdhGood lad, yourself :)03:26
GameCatgdh: he who laughs last thinks slowest :)03:26
gdhI don't understand why most geeks worship his rattlings on smoking and sex like they're some gospel..03:26
bdmpso in the faq the guy says "I got the drivers for the broadcom 4360 that came in my HP Pavilion from linuxant  http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/drivers.php they probably have the drivers you need." How do I know which driver I need?03:26
transgressi like his views of what was going on in the world...03:26
transgresshe talked about a lot more than sex and smoking... in fact those were not even his biggest bits03:27
transgressi personally liked his ramblings on big bush03:27
gdhsure his stand-up's made me laugh, but he seems to have attracted a near-deity status03:27
KaiLbdmp: broadcom id boradcom03:27
KaiLbdmp: broadcom is boradcom03:27
bdmpare you all talking about bill hicks?03:28
gdhOr maybe I'm just trolling because I'm bored =)03:28
transgressi kind of find that hicks had some of that lenny bruce in him... he would forget the stand up at times on just go off on what was wrong with the world... and that was entertaining... not always funny, but entertaining03:28
gdhtrue, a heartfelt unscripted rant on TV is always great to watch03:29
gdhno matter who it's from or what the subject03:29
transgressthe best thing i ever saw of him was he was doing one of the opening acts... and the crowd kept taunting him... so he just got into this battle of mocking the audience... and the other comics like gave up their time so he could keep going.03:29
GameCatI think the thing that makes him fascinating to watch for me is the way that you can *see* that the bad things in the world are causing him pain, and he's doing all he can to make light of it03:30
GameCatgives the performances a resonance I've never seen in another comic03:30
transgressyou just don't see that vigor a lot anymore... in fact, when jon stewart was on crossfire and called tucker carlson a dick... that was one of the closest things i've seen in a while...03:31
gdhhe's not exactly the Sonny & Cher Show, that's for sure.03:31
transgressGameCat: ever see lenny bruce stuff?03:31
GameCattransgress: not that i know of03:31
transgressGameCat: you should check him out... another great dead comedian... older than hicks by far03:31
GameCattransgress: yeah, I know of him, just never had the chance to hear any03:32
transgresslike... i like george carlin a lot... and you can tell he puts heart into what he says, but you don't really see him get angry most of the time... hicks got angry... and i like that... anger can show true caring sometimes03:32
gdhK what's the 'group feeling' on Denis Leary? Pale modern copy of Bill hicks?03:33
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GameCattransgress: bill may have been a comic, and he may have been wrong about the things he said, but I have to respect him for standing up and trying to do something about it03:34
GameCatgdh: personally, I'm not a fan03:34
transgresseh i'm not actually as big of a fan of him... i wouldn't really even call him a copy... he likes to act angry... and he does seem to focus more on sex and smoking jokes heh...03:34
GameCathis heart isn't in it03:34
gdh:) he does seem to spread himself around between doing comedy songs, acting and standup03:35
transgressi think more of a modern day hicks would be david cross03:35
transgressand i just love david cross... he's made me laugh to tears03:35
transgressGameCat: you ever listened to any of his standup?03:36
bdmpThat link that the guy gives in the faq is for amd64 cuz its a faq for amd64 where can i get the i386 one? I read in a different faq where someone used my same comp with a different distro. They said they used the windows drivers from the comps company website. Should I do that or is there some generic driver I should use?03:36
bdmpi love david cross too03:36
GameCattransgress: never even heard of him - but I'm taking notes :)03:36
bdmpwatch that dvd "let america laugh"03:37
transgressbdmp: that site most likely has the driver from the manufacturers site... linuxant that is... but yeah you can go to that site and get the driver if you really want03:37
transgressactaully only watch "let america laugh" after you listen to "shut up you fucking baby" cd03:37
bdmpso I want the windows drivers for my specific wireless card?03:37
transgressbecause the dvd is about him touring for that cd, but it doesn't have a lot of the jokes03:37
transgressbdmp: yes.  that's what ndiswrapper does... it wraps around the windows driver and converts the calls to linux stuff... sort of03:38
bdmp"shut up you fucking baby" is a so damn funny 03:38
transgressGameCat: ever see arrested development?  or Scary movie 2? 03:39
bdmpis the driver a .exe file? 03:39
bdmpthat's what i got from the company site03:39
gdhthe driver will be an .inf with some .sys I expect03:39
transgressyou have a pavilion huh?03:39
gdhunzip it /unpack it03:39
bdmpaveratec 320003:40
transgressumm... yeah well those suck... if unzip won't unzip it then you gotta use wine to run it or find it somewhere else03:40
bdmpunzip a .exe file03:40
gdhyes, many are self-extracting ZIPs03:40
transgressbasically they tossed the .inf and .sys files into a self extracting executable OR an installer03:40
gdhusing linux 'unzip' will often work03:41
bdmpcool thanks03:41
transgressbut if it's the installer, then you can use wine to run it and take it out03:41
transgressor if you hate wine like me, then you will find the drivers elsewhere03:41
gdhat worst, you'll need to find a windows box to extract the files to03:41
bdmpis wine in kubuntu from the start?03:41
transgresshaha david cross was the voice of a marine on halo 203:42
transgressbdmp: ever watch arrested development?03:43
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GameCattransgress: sorry, was geting munchies - never seen either03:43
transgressdoes updating the repo's for kubuntu work on upgrading the system?  say when breezy is released, if i just changed my repo's to breezy from hoary will that bork my system or work?03:53
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jakepwso breezy is broken i take it, what are the main issues with it?03:54
transgressit's unstable03:54
jakepwi just stumbled accross ubuntu, been a gentoo user for a while03:55
jakepwcompiling takes too long hehe03:55
transgressi was using gentoo before ubuntu03:55
transgressdidn't mind compiling03:55
jakepwyeah well my main box was a 500mhz p3 at the time03:55
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transgressbut when i borked my system by going to ~x86 on it, i didn't feel like doing it all again03:55
jakepwso it took ages, i still use it as a server os03:55
jakepwyeah see03:56
jakepwi got a new computer03:56
jakepwand was like shit, do i want to build this os from scratch again or use my laptop03:56
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jakepwopted for the use, and im quite impressed03:56
simple_okay, fresh installed kubuntu again, and tada..everything is fine, driver installed, modprobe ndiswrapper works, wlan0 is there03:57
transgressyou reinstalled for ndiswrapper?03:57
simple_just used what it came with03:57
gdhpeople are fantastic =)03:57
simple_but now i can't.. like configure the network right03:57
bdmpok, I have to extract the .exe files to get the drivers. Apparently there is a slight difference with the ones that are usually used for my series of comp and my exact model.  Can someone tell me how to extract a .exe file03:57
gdhbdmp: see above.03:58
gdhunzip or win03:58
simple_like i can't set up essid and stuff03:58
simple_i guess03:58
simple_idk :/03:58
gdhsimple_: 'iwconfig' ?03:58
transgressman iwconfig03:58
gdhor probably kwifimanager ?03:58
bdmpunzip is a command line program?03:59
gdhit is, yes.03:59
gdhyou'll probably need to apt-get install it03:59
bdmpwhat is the syntax of the command I would use?04:00
gdhcome on, bdmp..04:00
gdhtry :)04:00
bdmpwhen i assume something i mess up my comp04:01
transgressin help channels we do not hold hands... we point you in the right direction then give you a swift kick in the ass toward the goal04:01
bdmpbaby steps04:01
simple_wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:off/any04:01
simple_          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:0004:01
simple_          Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:16 dBm04:01
simple_          RTS thr:2347 B   Fragment thr:2346 B04:01
simple_          Power Management:off04:01
simple_          Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-10 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm04:01
simple_          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:004:01
simple_          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:004:01
simple_how can i change all that?04:01
simple_mainly ESSID:linksys04:01
simple_i tried what was it sudo iwconfig wlan0 linksys04:01
transgresssimple_: YOU MOTHERFUCKER it's called #flood04:01
bdmpyeah and then I get a faq that is for a differnt kind of comp and i end up crying04:01
simple_four lines ins' a flood04:01
transgressthat was flood04:01
simple_ /tear04:01
transgress9 lines are flood04:02
transgressumm fuck it04:02
simple_is a04:02
simple_over the whole flood thing, any help on how to configure that?04:03
transgresstry kwifimanager04:03
simple_that's like the graphical thing that shows the link signal and stuff?04:03
gdhalso lets you set parameteres04:03
simple_didn't see much to do in there except "detect" or something, and it comes back with nothing04:03
gdhlike essid /link speed etc.04:03
simple_i saw nowhere to set them :/04:03
transgresssimple_: run as root methinks04:04
gdhno button for 'administrator mode' ?04:04
simple_well, i didn't see one04:04
transgresssudo kwifimanager04:04
simple_i like the way trangress thinks though, i'll try it04:04
gdhsimple_: settings -> configuration editor04:04
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jakepwdamn im hungry now that you mention it04:05
simple_oh and everytime i reboot i have to do modprobe ndiswrapper for it to add the wlan004:05
simple_i'd rather not do that everytime04:05
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jakepwthen add it to autoload04:05
transgresssimple_: add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules04:06
GameCatvegans don't exist, they are an urban legend04:06
jakepwi used to be vegan, couldnt hang04:07
transgressvegetarian since 1404:07
transgressvegan for a year04:07
jakepwthats awesome04:07
transgressmostly raw fruits and veges on top of that04:07
jakepwim goin back to vedge actually04:07
transgresshaven't been sick since04:07
jakepwits the way to go now days for sure04:08
transgressand i was one sick bastard before04:08
transgresson that note... i really wish my package from rawfood.com would come in tomorrow04:08
jakepwyeah you gotta get the protein or youll get weak, thats what happened to me04:08
gdhThat could be just due to shit additives + colourings in meat dishes than any problem with eating meat :|04:08
jakepwi just cant trust the source of meat anymore04:09
transgressjakepw: probably not... it takes an act of god to be protein deficient actually04:09
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GameCattime I wasn't here, night all04:13
GameCatwell, it's night here anyway - 3:13 am in fact04:13
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shivI am still not able to install this http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2398104:16
shivanybody here to help plz?04:16
Tm_Tok, you downloaded that package?04:19
Tm_Tsave it into your homedir04:20
Tm_Tok, then uncompress it04:20
Tm_Tnow, go into that dir in Konsole04:21
Tm_Tthen enter those lines from that web page04:23
Tm_Tcopy both lines and just paste 'em into konsole04:23
Tm_Tany questions?04:24
shivI thought I had to unzip the package to this directory /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus04:25
Tm_Tnothing, it works now?04:26
shivam i not suppose to do that?04:26
Tm_Twell, we actually sort of done it04:26
kkathmanevening all:04:26
Tm_Tbut with one step between04:26
Tm_Tkkathman <304:27
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Tm_Tyou drunken sailor04:27
kkathmanyeah like one margarita is gonna do that :)04:27
kkathmanits was big, but not THAT big04:28
Tm_Tkkathman: "one" is 1-99 ;p04:28
shivthis is what my command looks like $ /home/shiv/Desktop/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/$ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus04:28
shivI don't think its right04:28
kkathmanwell yah its like a double for sure :)04:28
Tm_Tshiv: heh04:28
shivi am new to this command line04:29
shivI hae no clue04:29
Tm_Tshiv: sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop04:29
Tm_Ttry that one04:29
shivcp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory04:30
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shivI am struggling with this since 2 hours04:30
Tm_Tshiv: hmm, first "cd ~/desktop"04:30
Tm_Twhere you have those files?04:31
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shivhiv@ubuntu:~$ cd ~/desktop04:31
shivbash: cd: /home/shiv/desktop: No such file or directory04:31
Tm_Tyes I saw that coming04:31
kkathmanTm_T how did it go with Koffice ?04:31
Tm_Tkkathman: hmm, as far as I tested, it's ok04:31
kkathmanbetter than Open Office04:32
Tm_Tshiv: where you extracted that package?04:32
Tm_Thmm, maybe04:32
shivon the desktop04:32
Tm_TI don't really use office stuff =)04:32
kkathmanyou try Kexi and Krita?04:32
Tm_Tkkathman: yes, both ok04:32
Tm_Tshiv: extract them into your home dir04:32
shivand I also copied in the usr/share/apps/konqi folder04:32
kkathmanso did you apt-get them or download them from the kde site?04:33
Tm_Tkkathman: I compiled from svn =)04:33
Tm_Twhole Koffice04:33
kkathmanahh ok04:33
shivu mean /home and not /home/shiv04:33
kkathmanwhere'd you get it04:33
Tm_Tshiv: I mean /home/shiv04:33
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Tm_Tkkathman: http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html04:35
Tm_Tshiv: now, in Konsole, "cd ~"04:35
Tm_Tand then try again that sudo cp I gave04:36
smouchehey kkathman, Tm_T, how are you/04:37
Tm_Tsmouche <304:37
shivis this how it should look? shiv@ubuntu:~$ cd ~04:37
Tm_Tshiv: yes04:37
Tm_Tjust to be sure04:38
shivbut nothing happens after that04:38
smoucheTm_T, heh heh, I've been wanting to thank you for the tip about figlet -- I thought you were messing with me04:38
shivwhen i hit enter04:38
smoucheit's pretty cool!04:38
Tm_Tshiv: nothing meant to happen04:38
shivoh ok04:38
Tm_Tsmouche: =)04:38
shivlet me see then04:38
shivshiv@ubuntu:~$ cd ~04:38
shivshiv@ubuntu:~$ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop04:38
shivcp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory04:38
Tm_Toh sorry04:39
kkathmanI cant figure that all out Tm_T :)04:39
Tm_Tkkathman: I explain it to you in a moment04:39
Tm_Tshiv: is it in two lines?04:40
shivi single line04:41
Tm_T"sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus"04:41
shivjust what i copied and pasted'04:41
Tm_Tmy mistake04:41
shivsame answer04:41
Tm_Thmm, then "cd kubuntu-servicemenu" and hit tab before enter04:43
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shivshiv@ubuntu:~$ cd kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.204:44
Tm_Tand NOW do that copy thing :)04:44
bdmphow do i tell if KWifiManager recognizes my card? I installed and everything seemed to go well.  I am moving today and my newplace has wireless but where I am now doesn't. Is there a way to tell if the card is recognized?04:45
bdmpwith out a wireless connection?04:45
Tm_Tshiv: ehm04:46
shivshiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus04:46
shivcp: cannot stat `kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop': No such file or directory04:46
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kkathmanevenin Tezkah 04:46
Tm_Tshiv: type ls04:47
Tezkahhey kkathman, how's things?04:47
Tm_Tkkathman: are you ready to rumble?04:47
kkathmangood Tezkah :)04:48
kkathmanTm_T yes04:48
kkathmanlets doit04:48
shiv~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ ls04:48
TezkahI installed GNOME04:48
Tezkahits good to have a backup, I guess04:48
Tm_Tshiv: so copy that then04:48
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kkathmanTezkah:  but it is :)04:49
Tm_Tshiv: ok, "cd kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2" =)04:49
TezkahI cant get XFCE to work though04:49
Tm_Tkkathman: ok, make new dir, let's say, ~/kde-svn04:49
Tm_Tshiv: hmm, type ls04:50
shivshiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ ls04:50
shivkubuntu-servicemenu.desktop  kubuntu-servicemenu.sh04:50
shivone line04:50
Tm_Twell, do that sudo cp thing now :p04:51
Tm_Tshiv: and don't try dcc chat with me04:51
Tm_Tkkathman: you're still alive?04:52
Tezkahhas anyone tried installing XFCE on a kubuntu install?04:52
Tm_TTezkah: hmm, maybe?04:52
Tezkahsee, it installed fine04:52
Tezkahbut when I log into it via KDM04:53
Tezkahnothing shows up04:53
Tezkahthe panel does not load04:53
shivshould I write that command after this line shiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$04:53
Tezkahand I can't open any of the settings programs04:53
Tm_Tshiv: yes04:53
Tezkahthey just cause the screen to redraw04:53
Tm_TTezkah: ehm, strange...04:53
Tezkahyeah, very strange04:53
TezkahI'm trying to reinstall the xfce4 package04:54
transgressTezkah: you try running xfce w/o kdm"?04:54
Tm_Tor stick with KDE ;)04:54
shivshiv@ubuntu:~/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2/kubuntu-servicemenu-alternate-1.2$ $ sudo cp kubuntu-servicemenu.desktop /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus04:54
shivbash: $: command not found04:54
kkathmanyep Im  here Tm_T :)04:54
Tezkahhaha, yeah, sticking with KDE is the other option04:54
Tezkahpeovvly qill04:54
Tezkahprobably will04:54
transgressuntil ubuntu i always used blackbox04:54
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transgressbut now i use gnome on my lappy and kde on my desk04:54
kkathmanTezkah: only reason to run XFCE is if your resources are low04:55
Tm_Tshiv: now I really don't know what you've done =)04:55
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Tm_Tkkathman: ok, go into that dir you just made04:55
shivplz don't say that04:55
Tm_Tshiv: I'll help ya, just wait a minute04:56
transgressoh don't worry... you can only destroy things beyond repair to a certain point04:56
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Tm_Tkkathman: and in there, run  "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/koffice"04:56
transgresshey what's a program that will rip cd's to ogg or flac?04:57
kkathmanwhat directory Tm_T :)04:57
kkathmanok hold on I gotta go back and catch up04:57
bdmpI am in stalling wireless and the faq told me i needed 2 files .sys and .inf. Then it says to run "sudo ndiswrapper -i ''driver''.inf (where ''driver'' is the driver's name)." But it doesn't say what to do with the other file.  Am I supposed to run that command with both files?04:57
Tm_Tkkathman: =)04:58
kkathmanok I made the directory, so I run that command up there?04:58
transgressbdmp: you just make sure it is there04:58
transgressbdmp: in the same dir as the other file... 04:59
Tm_Tkkathman: and you notice that you don't have svn, right?04:59
bdmpit is but its on the desktop. is that ok?04:59
kkathmanno I dont that I know of04:59
transgressbdmp: it's just fine04:59
transgresssvn is for the bleeding edge right?05:00
bdmpok the faq says"do 'sudo ndiswrapper -m' if this goes through you should be able to go into System-Administration-Networking in the gnome menu (i'd imagine kwifimanager or whatever can do it in kde, and i'd appreciate confirmation on that) and see the wireless card. If it did not you may need to check the driver." it seems fine but KiwifiManager doesn't see it. I don't think.05:01
kkathmansays svn not a valid command05:01
Tm_Tkkathman: so apt-get svn then05:01
transgressbdmp: ndiswrapper -l ... does that give any errors?05:02
transgressbdmp: and did you sudo modprobe ndiswrapper already?05:02
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bdmpbcmwl5a driver present, hardware present05:02
kkathmanhmm cant find svn :)05:02
kkathmanin a different repos?05:02
transgresssvn is subversion isn't it?05:03
bdmpactually I think i missed that command05:03
transgressbdmp:  do that real quick like05:03
bdmpif i do it now will it mess anything up05:03
bdmpthanks. I am stupid05:04
transgressjust do it, then run sudo ndiswrapper -m again05:04
bdmpit works!05:04
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Tm_Tkkathman: try search it, apt-cache search svn05:04
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bdmpWooo hooo!05:04
kkathmanTm_T I did .. lots of different opportunities there05:04
transgresswhat is svn?05:05
Tm_Tkkathman: subversion-tools ?05:05
transgressit is05:05
transgressi was right05:05
transgressmade me feel dumb05:05
kkathmanNot there05:08
kkathmandunno 05:08
kkathmani could start dl things but I dont need the bloat05:08
transgresssubversion-tools aren't there?05:09
Tm_Tthen apt-get install subversion05:09
Tm_Tthat'll do it I think05:09
kkathmanfound it05:09
kkathmanok its installing koffice now05:10
Tm_Tno, subversion05:11
Tm_Tah, now I got it05:11
Tm_Tit just downloads it ;)05:11
kkathmanwow big download05:12
kkathmanso what next? compile?05:12
transgresswhy are you getting koffice?05:12
kkathmanwhy not?05:12
transgressit's still in alpha isn't it?05:12
kkathmansomthin to do05:12
transgressah okay05:12
kkathmanits Friday night, no sex in sight05:12
Tm_Ttransgress: beta and so on05:12
nmorseI'm attempting to figure out how to modify a debian build ruleset to switch versions05:13
transgressah okay05:13
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Tm_Tkkathman: ok, what's last output?05:13
Tm_T(if it's ready)05:14
kkathmanstill installing..on kexi now05:14
transgressnmorse: like upgrade your entire version?05:14
nmorseYeah, like build a new gaim package05:14
Tm_Tkkathman: downloading, you mean ;)05:14
transgressnmorse: oh just one package?05:14
kkathmandownloading then05:14
kkathmandoc now05:14
nmorseJust one package right now05:15
nmorseThen I try monodevelop next05:15
transgressnmorse: just grab the src.deb from like debian sid or breezy and try compiling it yourself...05:15
nmorseHmm, good idea05:16
shiv and also I want a trash can on my desktop05:16
nmorseA trash can on the desktop would be nice05:17
nmorseThe trash.desktop file makes one appear in GNOME after KDE is installed though05:17
kkathmanstill going Tm_T 05:18
Tm_Tkkathman: yes, it's slow =)05:18
Tm_Tkkathman: and I downloaded some KDE base stuff too, took all evening =)05:18
Tm_Tkkathman: and compiling... but it's worth of it05:19
kkathmanTm_T Its on kivio now...whats that?05:25
nmorsebreezy doesn't have a new gaim in it yet05:25
kkathmannmorse you can download and compile it from sourceforge05:26
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Tm_Tkkathman: kivio? it's ...05:26
Tm_Tkkathman: koffice.kde.org ;p05:27
nmorseNo you can't, not if you want to make a .deb of it05:28
Tm_Tnmorse: you can hold gaim and compile it yourself05:28
Tm_TI done it so05:28
kkathmanTm_T ok I have errors after all that :(05:28
nmorseI'm trying to make a .deb though05:28
Tm_Tkkathman: erors?05:29
Tm_Tkkathman: shoot me05:29
kkathmanFetching external item into 'koffice/admin'05:29
kkathmanError validating server certificate for 'https://svn.kde.org:443':05:29
kkathman - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use the05:29
kkathman   fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!05:29
kkathmanCertificate information:05:29
kkathman - Hostname: svn.kde.org05:29
kkathman - Valid: from May 11 10:08:21 2005 GMT until May  9 10:08:21 2015 GMT05:29
kkathman - Issuer: SVN, KDE e.V., Nuernberg, Bavaria, DE05:29
kkathman - Fingerprint: e1:e6:41:96:3c:eb:ae:78:e2:73:0d:a2:32:2f:6b:21:13:bf:3d:0f05:29
kkathman(R)eject, accept (t)emporarily or accept (p)ermanently?         05:29
Tm_Tthat's not really error :)05:29
kkathmanwell what do I do now?05:29
Tm_Taccept (p)ermanently05:30
Tm_Tso p05:30
Tm_Tno, you're not slow =)05:31
kkathmanChecked out external at revision 413557.05:31
kkathmanChecked out revision 413213.05:31
kkathmankkathman@denise:~/kde-svn$             05:31
KortorDoes anyone know if theres any drivers better than ATI's drivers? like open source ones or something? i really wanna play some graphical games... :(05:31
Tm_Tkkathman: ok, "cd koffice"05:32
nmorseOn a related note, is the Radeon IGP 320M supported by fglrx?05:32
Tm_Tkkathman: "make -f Makefile.cvs"05:32
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Tm_Tkkathman: "./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`"05:33
kkathmankkathman@denise:~/kde-svn/koffice$ make -f Makefile.cvs05:33
kkathmanThis Makefile is only for the CVS repository05:33
kkathmanThis will be deleted before making the distribution05:33
kkathman./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: autoconf: command not found05:34
bdmpAny ideas on how to fix an non-functioning usb auto-mount?05:34
kkathman*** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.05:34
kkathman*** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer05:34
kkathmanmake[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 105:34
kkathmanmake: *** [all]  Error 205:34
kkathmankkathman@denise:~/kde-svn/koffice$ 05:34
kkathmansorry the makfile didnt work05:34
Tm_Tkkathman: install autoconf05:34
Diablo-D3install autoconf damnit.05:34
Diablo-D3thats a zero brainer.05:34
kkathmanDiablo-D3:  shushg05:34
transgressyou are building kde-svn?  05:35
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Diablo-D3HRM IT SAYS FOO ISNT INSTALLED, MAYBE I SHOULD INSTALL FOO!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!!!?!!!!oneoneeleven05:35
Tm_Ttransgress: koffice-svn05:35
transgresscan you remove packages with svn?  i've never used it?05:35
kkathmanhmm... I got an automake not found, but installed it, but now its saying I dont have it :(05:36
Diablo-D3is it the right version?05:36
Diablo-D3and do you also have unsermake installed?05:36
kkathmanwell crap05:37
kkathmanIt says that I need 1.6.1 or newer...so I did an install of 1.9 and it still says I need it :)05:37
nmorseI need to build KOffice 1.4-beta05:38
kkathmanok lol.. I had to remove the 1st one so that the 1.9 would take effect05:38
Tm_Tkkathman: install 1.6.x05:38
kkathmanits creating now05:39
kkathmanits 1.9 now05:39
nmorseDoes anyone know if Krita actually made it into KOffice 4 though?05:39
kkathmanbut I did a automake install...thats Gtk..duh... had to remove it before the kde version took05:39
Tm_Tnmorse: well, I use Krita atm05:39
transgresswhat is krita?05:39
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nmorseDoes that mean you have KOffice 1.4 installed?05:40
Tm_Ttransgress: koffice.kde.org05:40
transgressit's a lot easier if you tell me though05:40
Tm_Tnmorse: no, koffice-svn05:40
kkathmanTm_T creating makefile templates05:40
Tm_Tkkathman: good05:40
nmorseSo, does Krita's CMYK support work?05:40
transgressoh cool, a non gtk art program05:40
transgressany good?05:40
Tm_Tnmorse: dunno, looks like it doesn't handle gimp pics very well05:40
transgressas in stability and features05:41
kkathmanDiablo-D3: did you think that maybe I was giving Tm_T  an update on what I was doing? hehe05:41
shivok how do I get the trAsh can on desktop?05:41
nmorseI doubt it's stable, it's only been in development for 6 years05:41
Tm_Ttransgress: well, no crashes yet =)05:41
nmorseThat's good05:41
transgressand features?05:41
nmorseSo can I build Krita without trashing the rest of my Koffice install?05:41
nmorseI'm interested as my family runs a newspaper05:42
shivit shows here /home/shiv/Desktop but I can't see it on the desktop05:42
Tm_Ttransgress: less features than gimp05:42
nmorseAnd we'd like to use Scribus and the GIMP, but the GIMP doesn't look like CMYK support will ever happen for it05:42
Tm_Ttransgress: try it05:42
nmorseAnd CMYK is what the press takes of course05:42
nmorseThe GIMP's interface sucks too05:42
transgressTm_T: eh i'm not much good at art in that form... i just like seeing qt programs heh.05:43
Tm_Ttransgress: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/Krita-Kexi_01.png05:43
Tm_Tnmorse: hmm, it's ok05:44
nmorseKrita is?05:44
Tm_TGimp's interface05:44
Tm_Twhen you get used to it05:44
nmorseGIMP's interface is the devil for doing complex photo editing05:45
nmorseI use ImageMagick for a lot of crap on its own05:45
nmorseBut Krita looks like it has a great UI, like Adobe InDesign05:45
nmorseBut less annoying than Adobe Photoshop05:45
nmorseInDesign is pretty nice for page layout stuff though, and cheaper than Quark Xpress to boot05:46
nmorseBut Scribus could take over here with a few more features05:46
kkathmanTm_T configuring05:46
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nmorseokay, svn installed05:47
nmorsenow to find out how to use it to install krita05:47
kkathmannmorse - you try GimpShop? Much better than Gimp05:47
Tm_Tkkathman: good, after it just "make" and "make install" as usual05:47
sirukinI just want the gimp 2.6 on the apt repositories.05:47
kkathmanhey Tm_T what Qt lib do I need? do you know off hand?05:47
nmorseYou mean, that kludge that attempts to imitate Photoshop in the GIMP05:48
Tm_Tkkathman: hmm, I think I do05:48
nmorseStill doesn't matter for me much, as I can't use it due to lack of CMYK support05:48
shivthanks for your help Tm_T05:49
shivgood night al05:49
nmorseAnyway to just fetch Krita from SVN?05:49
nmorseI don't normally use Subversion05:49
nmorseI don't even know where to fetch the files or anythign05:50
Tm_Tkkathman: hmm, can't find it right now..05:51
Tm_Tnmorse: I think the answer is in koffice.kde.org ;)05:52
kkathmansays headers and libraries not found hmm05:52
kkathmanlibqt3-dev and libqt3-headers?05:52
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Tm_TI think05:53
Tezkah1.4 beta?05:54
nmorseI have to go05:54
nmorsesee you guys tomorrow05:54
Tm_Thmm, second sleepless night in a row =)05:54
Tm_Twhat a feeling x)05:55
Tm_Tsmouche: hmm, you're too quiet these days05:55
kakaltoanyone here know much about css?05:56
kakalto(as in, webpage css)05:56
kakaltooh hang on05:56
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kkathmanlibqt3-mt-dev I think05:57
kkathmanchecking for KDE... configure: error:05:58
kkathmanin the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.05:58
kkathmanSo, check this please and use another prefix!05:58
Tm_Tso try only "./configure"05:58
kkathmanTm_T this is what I entered ./configure --enable-debug=full --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`                                   05:58
kkathmansame error Tm_T :(05:59
kkathmansomthing wrong with the prefix06:00
Tm_Tkkathman: try without prefixes06:01
Tm_T06:58 < Tm_T> so try only "./configure"06:01
kakaltodoes anyone here know much about css?06:01
sirukincascading style sheets or cross-site scripting (xss)?06:02
kakaltocascading style sheets06:02
sirukinwhat is there to know?06:02
kkathmanI did...I just did a ./configure and it gave the same msg06:02
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kakaltoI tried #web and #css, but they won't give me an answer...06:02
sirukinthat's because they are a bunch of extremist monkies.06:03
kakaltoI want to know how to stretch an image vertically to the whole page, while keeping aligned to the left, and 2 pixels wide06:03
kkathmankakalto what do you need to know about css06:03
kakaltoI tried stretching height=100%, but it only stretches to 1 page06:03
kkathmanI use it alot06:03
nate__hey, i installed using the physical ethernet on my laptop, now when i go to try to activate my wireless, it says: Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1.06:04
nate__how can i enable it?06:04
kakaltokkathman, read my last few comments06:05
kakaltoor PM and I'll explain again06:05
kkathmanpm and explain what you are trying to do06:05
kkathmanTm_T I dont think this is right...the prefixes have to be precise I think06:06
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Tm_Tkkathman: well, that worked allright for me :)06:11
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kkathmanok well I will just wait then06:13
kkathmanapparently it isnt ready for prime time..if its that difficult to install lol06:14
kkathmanno deb pkg at all????? tsk tsk tsk06:14
verden01what package do you want to install kkathman ?06:15
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nate____anyone know why my wireless interface won't show up when i install using the physical interface?06:17
nate____i can't activate it06:17
transgressthe physical interface?06:18
nate____like, connected to an ethernet cable06:18
transgressoh... but it shows up when you aren't connected to ethernet?06:18
nate____it says that the wireless is an unknown interface06:18
transgressit require ndiswrapper?06:19
nate____but if i install using the wireless, the physical doesn't show up06:19
nate____no transgress, it works out of the box, worked last install06:19
transgressk try this... let it find the wireless... then after you get it installed, add the module for your ethernet to /etc/modules06:19
nate____transgress, hmmm, mmkay06:20
nate____i don't get it, the wireless modules are loaded06:20
nate____no way i'm reinstalling06:20
transgresswth does he keep adding more underscores to his name06:22
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phxguyAnyone here familiar with KXDocker06:28
transgressthat guy over there... he is06:29
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Tm_Tcan't wait when I have my own blog =)06:34
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nate____yeah, /etc/network/interfaces was the solution06:38
transgresslive ya learn06:38
transgresswrite a wiki nate____ 06:38
nate____i should add a wiki06:38
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nate____jinx! you owe me a coke06:38
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nate____does gnome use gnomesu?06:39
transgressuh... iuno06:41
nate____mmkay, i'm out06:45
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_eddJust wanted to say 'kudus'.  Hadn't installed Debian "fresh" in a few years, and mostly restricted myself to woody netboot cd and whatever else we had before.06:55
_eddBut kubuntu is way nicer on this brandnew Dell box in front of me ...06:55
_eddWell done!06:55
_eddUhhh. If I could spell I'd even say "kudos"  :-/07:04
Diablo-D3thats spelled right07:11
_nateanyone know if windows media player 9 for osx works in linux?07:18
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_natejust out of morbid curiosity07:19
Diablo-D3I highly doubt it07:20
Diablo-D3theres no fbsd abi compatibility layer for linux-ppc07:20
_nateapparently not07:20
_natejust found out it doesn't work from someone else, something about different binary types07:20
Diablo-D3_nate: abi means application binary interface07:21
_natenot that i'd really want it, i just wanted to know if it worked, so i could install it and laugh07:21
_nateok Diablo-D3 07:21
Diablo-D3_now_ I bet if you hack the binary enough and provide all the correct fallbacks for osx functions/libraries, you could get it to run on fbsd-ppc07:22
verden01does anyone have trouble ejecting CD's or DVD's ?07:22
Diablo-D3verden01: only when gamim decides to not let go of the cd07:23
Diablo-D3verden01: a killall -9 gamin_server usually fixes that07:23
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luke_hey all07:26
luke_whats the dev path to a ps/2 mouse?07:27
Diablo-D3/dev/input/mice is what you want07:27
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luke_cool thanks07:28
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da_bon_bonanyone from india out here ?08:27
luke_how many times do you have to ask that?08:29
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Bicchidoes anyknow knows how to setup gaim and guifications.08:37
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lorennope :908:39
loreni'd just change your config.list file and apt-get it08:39
Bicchithere is not popup window using guifications.08:40
luke_bicchi: have you got gaim?08:41
Bicchiand guifications shows in the plugin section also. its also loaded.08:41
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Bicchii have both things installed.08:41
luke_whats your problem ?08:41
Bicchii am not sure if it has to do that i use dual monitors08:41
da_bon_bonluke_: i really want the kubuntu cd :08:42
Bicchiwhen a user logs in, i do not see the notification by the popup window08:42
luke_gaim > tools > preferences > plugins > select the guifications box, that'll turn it on08:43
luke_da_bon_bon: get it then :p08:43
Bicchii just said that i have it loaded08:43
da_bon_bonluke_: i think u know of my net :)08:44
luke_haha oh yeah08:44
luke_get the ubuntu cd shipped to you then install kubuntu off that08:44
luke_bicchi: play around with the guifications options then08:45
Bicchii also noticed that under ~/.gaim/guifications/themes/          i do not have any themes.08:45
da_bon_bonluke_: thats still 100 mb.. and, shipit is slow for india :)08:45
amaroWhat's a good FTP program?08:46
luke_bicchi: the themes should come with guifications08:46
luke_da_bon_bon: it doesn't look like you have many other options :p08:47
Diablo-D3hell, shipit is slow for the US08:48
da_bon_bonluke_: true. thats why i keep asking the queation i always ask :D08:48
Bicchiluke_: i got a feeling this has to do with dual monitor. who knows where the popup is been sent to.08:48
luke_bicchi: have you tried it without the second monitor?08:49
Bicchinot yet08:49
Bicchiluke_: could it be the version of gtk that i am using?08:51
luke_I'm not sure08:51
luke_are you using something other than the latest?08:52
Bicchihow can i see the version of gtk installed08:52
luke_then it should be ok08:52
Bicchii got it from synaptic, so i asume its the latest.08:52
luke_yeah it should be08:52
Bicchilet me try with one monitor. brb08:52
lorenanyone know why jack's screwed up in Kubuntu?08:56
loreni can never run jack when artsd is running :(08:56
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luke_kill atrs then08:59
luke_da_bon_bon: have you ordered a ubuntu cd?09:00
da_bon_bonluke_: yes09:01
da_bon_bonluke_: why ?09:01
luke_well you'll get kubuntu eventually 09:01
da_bon_bonluke_: ?? how ?09:02
da_bon_bonthey arent distributing kubuntu cds09:02
sirukinthey should be soon.09:02
sirukinKDE must spread.09:02
luke_haha yes!09:02
da_bon_bonbut isnt it a bit rich to ask a company, that distibutes cds free in the first place, to distrobute one or two more cds ??09:05
shogoukinot two, twice09:10
da_bon_bonshogouki: ??09:10
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Chameleon22how can i change my monitor settings ... just got a new monitor so need to make refresh and res higher and dont know how 09:56
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luke_right click on desktop > configure desktop > display09:59
luke_anyone know the plugins folder for gaim?10:17
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ubuntuhello :10:39
sirk|afkhello ubuntu10:40
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ubuntuI new here, sorry for being slow...10:41
luke_are you from ubuntu?10:41
sirk|afkI really like you10:41
luke_ubuntu: are you a convert? :p10:42
sirk|afkubuntu: you make everyday I turn on my pc special10:42
_simpleyay, all set up and everything!10:42
luke__simple: do you like it :D10:43
ubuntuchecking... it seems quite efficient10:43
_simplelove it, broadcom and linksys is what i don't like10:43
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_simpletwo full days pretty much to set up my wireless network o:10:44
_simplegranted it was my first time10:44
sirukinubuntu can't die!10:45
luke__simple: is setting up a wireless network much different to a lan?10:45
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sirukinluke_, yes10:45
_simpleall questions directed to me will be answered by sirukin, thank you 10:46
sirukinthe device interface tools/applications are completely different10:46
sirukinI are _simple's secretary10:46
luke_yes, but other than that is it much different? like setting ips? 10:47
_simpleanyway it's 5am. thanks for all the help earlier folks10:47
sirukinlet me elaborate, depending on what card you've bought, it's either ifconfig/iwconfig/somethingelse10:47
sirukinluke_, no10:47
sirukinwifi just adds another layer of configuration beyond IP addressing10:47
sirukinwep key, channel, bssid, etc10:48
luke_so is your private network 192.168.x.x and people can't access it?10:48
sirukinpeople can access it...10:48
luke_with an access key aye?10:49
sirukinhowever, since 192.168.x.x is a non-routable ip address...10:49
luke_so is the 192.168.x.x factor erralivant?10:50
colerai read in a kubuntu review that there are some firefox issues with kubuntu is that true>10:51
coleralike that flash doesn't install?10:52
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luke_I've had no trouble with flash10:54
colerain firefox?10:54
luke_I've had a bit of trouble with java. but java sucks. and I got it going anyway, just have to find the right file. no problems with firefox and flash at all10:55
colerawhat was the problem with java?10:56
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luke_colera: it's just not installed by deafault, and it's a pain finding the right thing to install. 11:10
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transgresswoohoo restarting got my sensors working11:12
luke_what sensors?11:12
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transgressfor my motherboard11:12
luke_like temperature?11:12
transgresshey is it bad when something on ksensors if red and flashing... apparently my fan isn't going fast enough11:12
transgresstemp and fan11:13
luke_ksensors aye?11:13
transgressi take it that it is just below the suggested speed eh?11:13
luke_no idea11:14
luke_did you have to recompile your kernel to use the sensors?11:15
transgresssudo apt-get install lmsensors11:15
transgresssudo sensors-detect11:15
luke_deafault kernel?11:15
transgressit didn't work for me until i rebooted11:15
transgresseh generic k7 kernel11:16
luke_ok thanks11:16
transgressi can't sleep... i should sleep11:16
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ilbahranyone know of backports to firefox 1.0.411:19
Riddellcolours are banned on this channel11:19
ilbahrit does not say so in the start page ....11:20
transgresswell now you know11:20
ilbahrand you set this rule ????????????11:20
transgressilbahr: i probably wouldn't go for two11:21
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transgresshow you doing mepisman 11:22
ilbahrtransgress: i do not have time for that this channel is just too hostile11:22
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miklsome people ...11:24
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HarnakDoes KDE come with a bittorrent client?11:25
HarnakIs there one that integrats into kde well?11:25
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miklHarnak: there is QTorrent11:27
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Harnakmiki: I'll check that out.. Thanks11:27
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luke_wow I have access to my bios11:34
miklluke_: is that unusual?11:37
luke_haha I've always known I have all the sensors on my cpu and motherboard etc, but have never been able to see them in the operating system11:39
luke_thanks transgress11:39
luke_I can control voltages with it too. although I wont touch them..11:40
miklyeah, fiddling with the voltage-settings can be rather dangerous 11:41
luke_yeah. I nearly killed my cpu by changing the multiplier when I still didn't understand it fully, so I don't want to stuff up again in that aspect.11:42
miklheh ::11:42
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luke_what does everyones cpu temp average?12:06
miklluke_: I never managed to get my sensors to work with linux .(12:11
luke_transgress just told me how to before. install ksensors and lm-sensors, then run sudo sensors-detect12:13
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luke_and restart your computer12:14
miklno setup needed?12:15
luke_that is the setup haha12:15
miklluke_: should i go with ISA or smbus?12:16
luke_no idea haha I just hit enter:p12:17
miklany of you guys on breezy btw?12:18
luke_where did you hear about breezy?12:18
miklon ubuntu.com12:19
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miklbreezy is just the next version of (k)ubuntu :)12:19
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miklbut it seems that the shit really hit the fan with the new dbus - If I upgrade dbus, apt will uninstall most of my kde for me :)12:20
pounceoh well that's fun stuff. Gotta love instant dependency resolutions :)12:21
luke_it's quite messed up sometimes huh12:22
luke_ever been to ubuntu.org ?  :p12:23
pounceI'm just setting up my new kubuntu system - going to use it as my file server.12:23
pounceI much prefer KDE over Gnome anyday - better applications.12:23
pounceand it just looks nicer.12:24
luke_they don't use their own system though12:24
pounceKDE, or Gnome?12:24
luke_the ubuntu website is hosted on a red hat system12:24
pounceah hehe12:25
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pounceyeah I'm basically going to install guarddog and guidedog to help me set up my firewall/NAT stuff.12:26
luke_get a really crappy system, and install smoothwall as a dhcp server and hardware firewall.12:27
luke_theres more to it than that too, it's really good 12:29
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bubiit lacks one mayor feature12:30
luke_whats that12:30
bubibadwith throtling12:30
luke_whats that?12:30
bubia feature wich allows u to limit upload and download per IP12:31
bubibut that applys only if u have more computers in network12:32
ejdCan anyone please tell me how to restore my icons (next to names in "start" menu, and back, up etc. in file open dialogs (annoying not having these))? Somehow I managed to lose them.12:32
luke_bubi: yeah, that would be good. I'd never need it though. It's a really secure firewall, apparently it's never been hacked12:34
luke_ejd: do you have kde?12:34
ejdluke, yes, new kubuntu install (2 hours ago), 3.412:34
luke_it happened to me with gnome, but not kde12:35
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ejdgtk file dialogs still have icons, qt ones do not, nor are there icons in the "start" menu. But it is only this user account, other users with kde are fine12:37
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luke_hi shiv12:42
shivgood morning12:42
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luke_haha evening here12:43
giulianodo you speak italia12:43
miklgiuliano: don't count on it :)12:43
luke_I'm an 8th italian though ^_^12:43
ejdsince it is a per user thing, do you think that copying kde settings from one user account to another will work?12:43
luke_yeah it could do. 12:44
giulianoqualcuno parla italiano?12:44
pouncegiuliano: no parla italiano. parla ingles solamente.12:44
giulianowhere are you from12:45
shivhey all, with this great distro why is firefox not the latest version? even though it pgraded yesterday to 1.0.3 why not 1.0.4? I can't get any extensions without it, any help?12:45
pounceI'm from Seattle, Washington, but I lived in Italy many years ago. I've forgotten most of my italian.12:45
pounceshiv: the new version of firefox was just upgraded. Give it a couple of days to be added to universe.12:46
Choubakaisn't it in main? :|12:46
luke_shiv: ubuntu and hence kubuntu get their repositries from debian. so it has to go through debian before it gets to ubuntu12:46
ChoubakaIs that true? :p12:46
ChoubakaUbuntu has packages that debian doens't12:46
Riddellnothing has to go through debian, we upload packages ourselves too12:48
luke_it's what I headr12:48
pounceRiddell: you guys have your own repositories, right, so no need to wait for Debian. Besides, if you did that you'd never get a release out since Devian takes so much time to get things together for an actual full release.12:50
pounceer Debian that is12:51
miklyeah, they've been working on Sarge for 3 years or so, now :D12:51
Riddellpounce: that's about right12:51
pounceI think 3.0r5 was the last incremental release12:51
pounceI like Debian, don't get me wrong, but you can't even get xorg in the standard distro. Just doesn't make sense to me when other distros put out new releases about once every couple of months.12:52
luke_why is gaim so far help back then I wonder? it's release is up to 1.3.0 and we only have 1.1.4 like debian12:53
miklwell, stability issues, probably12:53
luke_alot of the releases of gaim have been bug fixes..12:54
miklgenerally, gaim has released a lot of broken stuff :)12:55
luke_yeah, but why would they realease something more broken than their previous release:p12:55
miklnew features, usually12:55
miklbut I don't know in this case :)12:56
luke_most of gaims development have been bug fixes :p12:57
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ejdbah, ill just reinstall kubuntu, easier and quicker than figuring out what is wrong.12:59
Choubakasuch windowsy way of thinking :)01:01
Choubakawindowsy way of thinking: reboot on problems. re-install on bigger problems. Hunt around the web for new programs and updates. Use virus and firewall software. "IE is internet". Hate the command line. Accept idiocy. And finally: If you're about to convert to Linux, you will abandon it at the first sight of trouble, and tell everyone it sucks.01:03
luke_he'll learn01:04
Kamping_in_dozey'know, thats a good summary of a lot of ppl (not necesarily talking about ejd, whos problem i dont know)01:04
ChoubakaThat was the extreme case.01:04
Choubakaless extreme cases may be able to convert to the linux way of thinking.01:05
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Diablo-D3Choubaka: windowsy way of thinking: "whats a computer?"01:05
ChoubakaWhich is: Windows sucks. Linux rules. Damn, I can do this stuff so much faster on the command line. I don't understand people who have trouble with such easy things as <foo>.01:05
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ChoubakaAgain, that's the extreme case 01:06
Kamping_in_dozegetting there, give me time ;)01:06
ChoubakaMy way of thinking: If it works, it's good. If it doesn't, it's not.01:06
luke_if it doesn't work, fix it, if you can't fix it, find out how01:07
ChoubakaI'm using linux because it not-works far less than Windows. 01:07
Kamping_in_dozeIE ask on irc :P01:07
Choubakayeah. :D01:07
luke_yeah man01:07
Diablo-D3Choubaka: "I dont have "My Computer" in the corner of my desktop, I have a lamp"01:08
luke_I don't get it01:08
Diablo-D3get what?01:09
Kamping_in_dozeyou blokes know about this problem? i want a system to use a remote server for its X sesion, and i know i need the line "X -query server" in an X config file. anyone know which?01:09
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze is english.01:09
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: thats not quite how it works01:09
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: you want an application to connect to a pre-existing X session on another machine?01:10
Kamping_in_dozei have an install of ubuntu (yeh i know), which i want to connect to the remote box for its display, the x sesion runs localy01:10
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Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: you cant do that.01:11
HarnakDoes anyone know the name of hte fastcgi apache package in the ubuntu repositories?01:11
Kamping_in_dozetheres 12 boxes already doing it :S01:11
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: you cant run X on one machine, and display it on another01:11
Kamping_in_dozeprobably that then01:11
Kamping_in_doze*corrects sentence01:11
luke_remote desktop sharing01:12
Diablo-D3X runs on the machine it displays on01:12
Kamping_in_dozeprobably not that, ill go ask the bloke who set it up what its called01:12
Diablo-D3luke_: thats not what he wants01:12
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: does it involve vnc?01:12
Kamping_in_dozenot the vnc application, no01:13
Kamping_in_dozeits an X thing01:13
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: because I _can_ connect a vnc server to a pre-existing x session, and display it on two boxen at once.01:13
Kamping_in_dozeits all done through x w-s, just not sure how.01:14
Diablo-D3Im trying to figure out what you want01:15
Diablo-D3you're not making sense though01:15
Diablo-D3an X session is attached to the display01:16
Diablo-D3so you cant run X on one machine, and have it display on another01:16
Kamping_in_dozethats because i dont know what i want :( i just got handed a network and told to look after it01:16
Diablo-D3windows or linux machines?01:16
Kamping_in_dozeeach box runs X, but the display is sent to the client from the server to be displayed01:16
Kamping_in_dozelinux all :):)01:16
Diablo-D3that sounds supsiciously like vnc01:17
Kamping_in_dozedebian server, all the clients are ubuntu / kubuntu clients because they just pass on displaying so its not important what they have01:17
Kamping_in_dozeit could be. just using X?01:17
Diablo-D3wait, how many servers?01:17
Diablo-D3is it many server, single client, or many client, single server?01:18
Kamping_in_dozeone display server01:18
Kamping_in_dozeabout 12 clients01:18
Diablo-D3erk, Kamping_in_doze, dont use X terminology01:18
Diablo-D3an 'X display server' is normally called a 'client machine'01:18
Diablo-D3so, is it like one machine with a monitor, and a bunch of headless servers?01:19
Kamping_in_dozeno, the oposite. one machine with no monitor, and lots of computers connecting to it01:20
Diablo-D3now we're getting somewhere01:20
Diablo-D3that sounds supiciously like a thinclient setup01:20
Diablo-D3which doesnt use vnc01:21
Diablo-D3it _could_ use a form of the protocol windows uses, but I'm forgetting the name of it01:21
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Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: and each thinclient has its own desktop provided by the server, right?01:22
Diablo-D3and if you kill the server, all the clients die too, right?01:23
Kamping_in_dozehavent tried01:23
Kamping_in_dozebut i think so yes01:23
Diablo-D3then thats exactly what you have01:24
Diablo-D3a thinclient setup01:24
Diablo-D3which is almost what you described to begin with01:24
Diablo-D3but a thinclient setup is closer to 50 monitors, 50 keyboards, and 50 mice hooked up to one box ;)01:24
Kamping_in_doze:) yp01:24
Diablo-D3so whats the problem?01:25
Kamping_in_dozehow do i set a thin client to look for the server on boot?01:25
Diablo-D3ahh, hrm01:25
Diablo-D3let me think about that one for a moment01:25
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Diablo-D3you're looking in the wrong place methinks01:26
gdhWe use 'thinnish' clients at work :)01:26
Kamping_in_dozeAHAHAHH !! think i found it...01:26
gdhdiskless PCs PXE boot + NFS root + homedirs..01:26
Kamping_in_dozewhat do yours do?01:26
Kamping_in_dozeah right. proper thins01:26
Diablo-D3gdh: hehe, thats not a thin client ;)01:26
gdhNo, the apps run on each local machine01:26
gdhhence 'thinnish' ;)01:26
Kamping_in_doze :)01:26
Diablo-D3a true thinclient involves completely dumb terminals01:27
gdhI shudder to think of running a server that could cope with 50 copies of Thunderbird, Firefox and OpenOrifice.org simultaneously.....01:27
Diablo-D3if you had a monitor with an ethernet jack and plugged your keyboard and mouse into it, that would be preferable... ;)01:27
Diablo-D3gdh: thats how my school had windows setup01:27
Kamping_in_dozegdh. we have a p3 600 trying to run 10 of the above :P01:27
Diablo-D3I had to unwire it all01:27
gdhDiablo-D3: I think Windows has proper support for shared memory on big apps like Office...01:27
Diablo-D3and ran them as 'almost' net booting boxen01:27
Diablo-D3they'd boot off the hd, and then have /home on the server01:28
gdhso you're not actually running 50 standalone copies :)01:28
Diablo-D3and do auth off the server01:28
gdhright, bbiab01:28
Diablo-D3everything increased in speed 100x01:28
Kamping_in_dozefound it :)01:28
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: what is it?01:29
Diablo-D3because I think it has something to do with the login manager01:29
Kamping_in_dozeits a setting "1=Terminal -query
Kamping_in_doze" in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf01:29
Diablo-D3wait a second01:30
Diablo-D3well, first, that agrees with what I said01:30
Kamping_in_dozehad to grep a client via 3 ssh hops but i got it :)01:30
Diablo-D3<Diablo-D3> because I think it has something to do with the login manager01:30
Kamping_in_dozeyes :) thats what got me greping01:30
Diablo-D3under what heading does that line appear?01:31
spiralhmmm, do I need to apply the fix in toppic if I'm in breezy dist-upgraded (except for dbus pbs...)01:31
Diablo-D3spiral: if your kde packages actually install right, no01:31
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Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: becauseI think thats xdmcp related01:32
spiralDiablo-D3: they install right, but I've got problems with dbus...01:32
Diablo-D3I GET IT NOW01:32
Diablo-D3it is xdmcp01:32
spiralDiablo-D3: if I let dist-upgrade go, it wants to remove some kde packages01:32
Kamping_in_dozewhats that mean?01:32
Diablo-D3and thats where your X -query thing came from01:33
Diablo-D3spiral: dbus api incompatibility01:33
Diablo-D3spiral: dont let it upgrade dbus01:33
spiralDiablo-D3: yeah, I know...01:33
spiralDiablo-D3: I've got to wait till an upgrade of dbus I suppose01:33
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: the thinclient X protocol01:33
spiralDiablo-D3: so I don't have to apply the patch ?01:33
Kamping_in_dozeah, all us explained :)01:33
Diablo-D3spiral: you dont methinks01:34
Diablo-D3Kamping_in_doze: btw, for the record, Ive never used xdmcp ;)01:34
Diablo-D3xdmcp seems like a waste too01:34
Diablo-D3unless you're running on like 386s with beefy video hardware01:35
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Kamping_in_dozexdmcp, is it secure?01:35
Kamping_in_dozedont answer, ill go look somthing up for myslef :)01:36
Diablo-D3Im going to assume no01:36
Diablo-D3its not using ssh afaik01:36
Kamping_in_dozeok. /me looks01:37
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shivis there a way to install shockwave? 01:45
shivits not showing up in kynaptic01:45
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luke_night all01:57
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spiralhmmm, does anyone know why amarok isn't translated in kubuntu ?02:38
Kamping_in_dozetranslated to what?02:38
spiralKamping_in_doze: french for example02:38
spirali18n, all this...02:38
Kamping_in_dozenfi, but you supprise me02:39
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spiralKamping_in_doze: nfi ?02:39
spiralKamping_in_doze: yes, it isn't tranlated on my laptop, but kde is... so I don't think I miss the i18n...02:40
Kamping_in_dozenfi == No F*cking Idea02:41
spiralKamping_in_doze: :-)02:41
KaiLare there translations for amarok yet?02:41
Kamping_in_dozeif its not in the repositreis, i dont know, sorry02:41
spiralKaiL: when I look on SuSE, or mandrake, it is translated...02:41
spiralhmmm, gota relaunch kde...02:43
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vickshi everybody. im quite new to the linux experience, so I have a couple of, what i suppose is,  n00b questions:03:05
gdhWe can but try :)03:05
vicksnice! ican't mount my windows disk in konqueror03:05
Kamping_in_dozewhat file system?03:06
miklvicks: is it defined in fstab?03:06
vickswell it says it can't fins it in fsttab i would guess not (or?)03:07
Kamping_in_dozeit wont be there unless you put it there03:07
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Kamping_in_dozewhats the file system?03:08
spiraloh, oh... I can't update kdebase in breezy because it wants to break a lot of things... Is it normal ?03:08
vicksntfs (I think)03:08
Kamping_in_dozevicks. is it runnin xp or 2k?03:08
gdhspiral: breakage in breezy is normal, yes.03:09
Kamping_in_dozeok vicks. type this in a terminal "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hd?? /mnt/" where ?? is the hardrive and partition number03:09
gdhIf you're not experienced with debian systems, I'd steer clear of it :)03:09
Kamping_in_dozeits probably ntfs03:09
Kamping_in_dozevicks. do you know where on the channel it is?03:10
spiralgdh: I'm experienced with debian system... But I wanted to know if I was the only one to have this exact breakage03:10
Kamping_in_dozeide channel?03:10
miklspiral: Its due to the DBUS API changes03:10
vicksno. and i don't know how to check it in linux ;)03:10
miklspiral: I have it also :)03:10
spiralmikl: all right then :-)03:11
spiralI'll wait 'till dbus doesn't pose anymore problem03:11
Kamping_in_dozevicks thats ok... type (in your terminal) "cat /proc/partitions" iirc03:11
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spiralis there a switch for apt-get or aptitude in order to tell him not to allow upgrades that want to break packages ?03:12
miklspiral: Problem is that KDE doesn't support the new DBUS api, and apt prefers to update dbus and uninstall KDE :(03:12
mikl... which IMO is rather stupid03:12
spiralmikl: yes... ubuntu wants it, but kubuntu doesn't...03:12
gdhUbuntu has paid programmers by Canonical to keep things in sync, Kubuntu does not :)03:13
KaiLmikl: update is somewhere around03:13
Kamping_in_dozeprobaly spiral, but i dont know off the top of my head "apt-get --help" would have to bee where to look :(03:13
gdhSo it's always a game of catch-up03:13
vicksok, i did that, there are two hd that seems to be that drive: hda and hda103:13
miklKaiL: huh?03:13
spiralKamping_in_doze: I found aptitude upgrade which doesn't want to remove the files & lets some files out03:13
spiralI shall maybe use this03:13
KaiLalso the update in kubuntu doesn't really fix it, as there some things need to be fixed03:14
Kamping_in_dozesynaptics "smart update" does a similar thing, but i dont know about cli or kde03:14
KaiLwith kde 3.4.1 (after the gcc4 transition) this will look better again03:14
spiralKaiL: all right... 03:14
spiralgcc4 transition, oh lord... with all the problems I myself get with it... :-p03:15
miklyes, it's going to be a challenge03:15
vicksKamping_in_doze: ok, i did that, there are two hd that seems to be that drive: hda and hda1 (hda the whole drive without partitions?)03:16
Kamping_in_dozevicks. hda is the drive, and hda* (in your case 1) are the partition numbers. so yes03:16
Kamping_in_dozetry this to mount your windows partition. we will just keep trying till it works. :P "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/"03:17
vicksKamping_in_doze: it says hdb doesn't exist (did you mean hda1?)03:19
gdhhda1 etc. :)03:19
Kamping_in_dozevicks, i asume hda1 is your ubuntu install, so windows will be on another hard drive? 03:19
vicksKamping_in_doze: no, hda1 is my windows install, my inux is hdd103:21
Kamping_in_dozeoh ok, hten yes, you want /dev/hda103:21
vicksKamping_in_doze: it's mounted now in, but when i try to access it through conqueror, it says it can't access /mnt (or something like that, i'm translating from swedish =) )03:23
Kamping_in_doze:) thats ok. just say it doesnt work and we will read your mind :D03:24
spiralvicks : umask=0222 should do the trick03:25
Kamping_in_dozeso now we know for sure which drive it is, go "sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0"03:25
Kamping_in_dozeah wait03:25
spiralKamping_in_doze: you forgot the >... , isn't it ?03:25
Kamping_in_doze>>"sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0" >> /etc/fstab03:26
Kamping_in_dozeyes :D hence the wait. my bad03:26
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vicksok, here we go =)03:26
Kamping_in_dozeneed two >>s or it overwrites the existing file, btw03:26
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Kamping_in_dozethat may fail, you might need to sudo -s and hten do the echo. just thought about that, but still03:27
vicksi think you just went over my head there guys, could you take it from the suda echo thingy03:28
Kamping_in_dozeok. vicks03:28
Kamping_in_dozetheres a file called fstab. this stores where all the hard drives on your computer are03:29
Kamping_in_dozeand partitions.03:29
Kamping_in_dozewhat we did with the echo was make a line:03:29
Kamping_in_doze "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0"03:29
Kamping_in_dozego into fstab by (heres the geek speak) redirecting the standard output to the file fstab03:30
Kamping_in_dozeto redirect the > or >> symbols are used03:30
Kamping_in_doze> means overwrite the file03:30
Kamping_in_doze>> means add to the file (append)03:30
Kamping_in_dozeand sudo is "run this program as root"03:31
vicksyes that i know ;)03:31
vicksso the line should read: >>"sudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0" >> /etc/fstab03:31
Kamping_in_dozeno >> at hte start03:32
Kamping_in_dozesudo echo "/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 0" >> /etc/fstab03:32
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vickslol, sorry I understand03:32
vicksi just copiedan above line without really reading it03:33
Kamping_in_dozethats cool. im telling you to use a method i dont use :P i edit the file by hand03:33
Kamping_in_dozewhen you run that run this "cat /etc/fstab" to find out if it worked, or if we have to rewrite your fstab :)03:34
Kamping_in_dozevicks mate, you want to run those commands for us? if they go wrong we need to get them right before you go :O03:38
vicksKamping_in_doze: =) well i didn't sort my problem03:40
Kamping_in_doze:) so whats up?03:40
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vicksthe same error as before. when i looked at the fstab in kate it didn't seem to have changed, so i tried the echo thing again, and now it says: bash: /etc/fstab: access denied 03:44
Kamping_in_dozedid you put in sudo?03:45
vickscan i edit the file directly from kate?03:46
Kamping_in_dozeok. try this. "sudo -s"03:46
Kamping_in_dozeyou can, 03:46
Kamping_in_dozego "sudo kate /etc/fstab"03:46
Kamping_in_dozei prefer vi, but you know03:46
vicksok, i gonna try with the suda -s first then03:47
Kamping_in_dozesudo -s puts you in a shell, thats all03:47
Kamping_in_dozeand its O, not A03:47
Kamping_in_dozeletter O03:47
vicksyes, that was a typo =)03:48
vicksshould i still use sudo, in shell?03:48
Kamping_in_dozeto launch kate03:48
vicksok, the line is added in fstab now. but i still can't acess the drive (can't access /mnt)03:50
Kamping_in_dozeok. in your terminal type this "umount /mnt/ && mount -a03:51
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Kamping_in_dozenow try03:53
vickssame prob03:53
gdhwhen you're in 'sudo -s' shell, can you cd /mnt and then ls ?03:53
gdhin case mounting as ntfs will lock the mount to root-only 700 permissions?03:53
vicksgdh: yes03:54
gdhso you can see the contents of your ntfs drive in sudo, but not as a normal user?03:54
gdhin that case you'll need to edit your fstab again and add "uid=1000" as an option 03:55
gdhassuming your own user is UID 1000 03:55
gdhwhich it probably will be03:55
Kamping_in_dozeid is 0222 isnt it?03:56
vickshow do I add the uid to the line?03:56
gdhKamping_in_doze: maybe you're thinking of umask?03:56
Kamping_in_dozecould be :S but im sure thats what i added.. probably umask03:57
vicksaha, sorry =)03:57
vicksso, i should change from 0222 to 1000?03:57
gdhvicks: hey it can't hurt to try :)03:57
gdhyou will then need to umount /mnt && mount /mnt again03:57
gdhmake sure you're not currently 'cd' in /mnt or umount will fail 'device busy'03:58
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gdhalso make sure you 'chown 1000 /mnt' so that Linux itself will permit you to read/write to that dir,03:59
gdhaside from whatever the ntfs driver is doing03:59
gdhIsn't open source fun and easy? :)03:59
Kamping_in_dozei havent had to chown the dir, but whatever :D04:00
gdhKamping_in_doze: Belt and braces, I guess :)04:00
Kamping_in_dozeyeh and ubuntus sloagan is "linux that just works" :)04:00
gdhKamping_in_doze: Depends on how you interpret 'just works' =)04:00
gdhLinux that /just/ works...04:01
vicksgdh: did you mean that i have to be in the /mnt to unmount?04:01
miklwell, you also seem to make this procedure overly complicated :P04:01
gdhvicks: No, exactly the opposite :)04:01
vicks=D ok04:01
gdhmikl:  I should be a consultant :)04:01
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vicksnow i get a: can't find a /mnt in fstab04:03
vicksis this line ok: /dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=1000 0 004:03
Kamping_in_dozedrop hte second / in /mnt/04:04
vicksis it the /mnt/ that is wrong?04:04
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Kamping_in_dozeso vicks, try with just "/mnt" not "/mnt/" if you havent already04:09
monki heard that ubuntu has openoffice2 in the repos, is this correct?04:09
vicksyes, i have. it took a little time, kate started crashing on me, so i had to abandone her04:09
monkand that kubuntu has kde 3.4 final?04:10
Kamping_in_dozemonk, breezy does, not sure about hoary04:10
gdhmonk: Yes to KDE 3.404:10
Kamping_in_dozeoh. ok vicks04:10
vicksbut i have done the changes (i think), and mounted the disk but...same shit04:10
monkwill it mess up on other debian based systems?04:10
monkor is it just straight 3.404:10
gdhmonk: why don't you try for us? :)04:11
KaiLmonk: I had it in debian/sarge. Works.04:11
Kamping_in_dozevicks. can you past your /etc/fstab file to pastebin (iirc) or similar?04:11
gdhopenoffice.org2 is in hoary04:11
monkits in hoary, thanks04:11
vicksKamping_in_doze: is there a way to do that from konsole? kate won't start04:14
Tm_Tvicks: nano04:14
Kamping_in_dozecat hte files04:14
Kamping_in_dozethen copy the text using your cursor04:14
Kamping_in_dozecat /etc/fstab04:14
Kamping_in_dozecopy it and paste to somewhere :P04:14
Kamping_in_dozehi tm_t04:14
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Tm_Thi to all o/04:15
vicks# /etc/fstab: static file system information.04:16
vicks# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>04:16
vicksproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       004:16
vicks/dev/hdd1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       104:16
vicks/dev/hdd5       none            swap    sw              0       004:16
vicks/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       004:16
vicks/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       004:16
vicks/dev/hda1 /mnt/ ntfs defaults,uid=1000 0 004:16
vicks/dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs defaults,uid=0222 0 004:16
Kamping_in_dozeok. well our echo didnt kill your system :)04:17
vicksseems like I added, the line instead of replacing it04:17
Kamping_in_dozeremove the bottom /mnt/ line, and change the top one so the /mnt/ only has a preceeding /04:17
Kamping_in_dozeyou can remove with a # which is a comment04:18
vicksdo i still use the echo command? can you show me how the syntax should be?04:20
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john6000_boghow do i set the root password?04:20
Kamping_in_dozeyou need to edit the file by hand now, its going to be safest.04:20
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Kamping_in_dozejohn sudo passwd root04:20
Kamping_in_dozeso vicky04:20
Kamping_in_dozenano /etc/fstab04:20
Tm_TKamping_in_doze: damn you're faster than me =)04:20
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Kamping_in_dozeim on a roll04:21
Tm_T"that was MY line!"04:21
Tm_TI'm glad we have more helpful people here :)04:21
Kamping_in_dozehi rinaldo04:21
Tm_Tso thanks Kamping_in_doze, keep up the good work :)04:21
rinaldohi 04:21
vicksis it ctrl+o to save? can't really read the description04:22
Kamping_in_dozetm_t. i use ubuntu, but i help here because this is short on help, but #ubuntus not :D04:22
Kamping_in_dozeyes it is vicks04:22
Kamping_in_dozeand ctrl+x to exit04:22
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Kamping_in_dozesomthing gone right ?04:23
miklvicks: amen :)04:24
flykesholy SHIT!!!!! LOOK: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=33409&ll=26.748651,-80.074550&spn=0.005622,0.007875&t=k&hl=en04:24
vickseveryting. i can access the drive now04:24
flykessorry for the language.. but this is so so so so cool04:24
Kamping_in_dozewhat is it?04:24
vicksthanks a million Kamping_in_doze 04:24
Kamping_in_dozevicks. just remember you can NOT write04:24
flykeswhat do you think that is???? It's a friggin UFO!04:24
Kamping_in_dozeotherwise, its all good04:24
Kamping_in_dozei havent looked. i want to know if its worth it04:24
vicksaha, ok...but STILL =)04:25
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vicksand I learned some linux on the way04:25
Kamping_in_dozeyes :). you can add write, as long as you are willing to loose the data :P04:25
Kamping_in_dozeyou did. register your nick on freenode an ill keep in touch :O04:25
vicksok, so how do I do that?04:26
Kamping_in_dozehere somewhere :P04:27
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vicksi was awaiting something like: sudo reg /nick~ /mnt -s freenode04:28
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Kamping_in_dozeits a bit like that, i just dont remember04:29
Kamping_in_dozetype this in your irc prompt :04:29
Kamping_in_doze /msg nickserv help04:29
Kamping_in_dozewhat you want is  /mng nickserv register, but you better read up a bit :D04:30
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vickswhat the hell. suddenly the irc-server started to to refuse the /msg04:34
Tm_TI think I smile too much04:34
Kamping_in_dozeyou have a personality problem? ;) or biological?04:34
Kamping_in_doze:P <-- i do that to much04:34
Tm_TKamping_in_doze: I'm just too friendly =)04:35
Kamping_in_doze:) yep04:35
Kamping_in_dozebtw vicks http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup04:36
vicksyep, seen it, done it (wrong), done it again (right)04:37
Kamping_in_dozelol :)04:38
vicksso i think i 'm hereby a distinguished member of the freenode network04:38
vicksmark the think. i dont trust textbased configurations anymore04:39
Kamping_in_doze:) 04:39
Kamping_in_doze:o no more cli config?04:39
vickswell, if i go with linux i doesn't seem like i can avoid it =) but anyway. thanks again everybody. i have to go. see you around!04:40
Kamping_in_dozesee you mate04:40
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John6000i cant entter admin mode in kde control centre04:41
gdhanother happy customer :)04:42
Kamping_in_dozewe hope so :)04:43
andrewskiany devs in?04:43
Kamping_in_dozemy god. i just read the channel title and realiesed : im useing breezy. im going down :S04:44
andrewskiKamping_in_doze: me too.  just don't update *everything* (many things break)04:44
miklmy bogofilter is still broken :(04:44
andrewskiyou just have to be careful. :)04:45
Kamping_in_dozei havent been in linux for a week (worst week of my life), so its going to be a huge update04:45
Kamping_in_dozebut yes, 04:45
miklbreezy is nice, but dangerous ;)04:45
andrewskiKamping_in_doze: just watch out for dbus and packages that use it.04:45
miklfor the real adventurous, there is also grumpy04:46
andrewskimikl: what's grumpy?04:46
Kamping_in_dozewtf? alreadY?04:46
Kamping_in_dozeohmygod ohgod.04:46
mikla bit like debian sid04:46
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gdhah, like sid :)04:46
andrewskimikl: or like BSD's CURRENT?04:47
andrewskioh geez, it tracks CVS changes?!04:47
miklwell, I don't know much about BSD, but I guess to04:47
Kamping_in_dozemikl, did you have to show me that? im going to change my sources list now :(04:47
miklKamping_in_doze: you be crazy, mon04:48
Kamping_in_dozeyes, thats about me in 2 words04:48
miklIt's not really implemented yet ... :)04:48
Kamping_in_dozeis it cvs or repositries?04:50
miklnot "is", will be04:51
miklif you are interested, read http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GrumpyGroundhog04:51
Kamping_in_dozek ta04:51
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apollo2011Hi everyone05:08
apollo2011I just installed Kubuntu in addition to SUSE on my computer05:08
apollo2011I was wondering how I edit the graphics/monitor settings.  In the setup I wanted to select 1024X1280 but hit enter instead of space and now I am in the system with a large black border around the screen becuase it is only using 1024X768.05:09
Kamping_in_dozeusing dpkg is the way i use05:10
eduardooops, i entered hoping i could find a solution to the kdelibs problem... i executed the script, it's ok, but i have no crystal icons at all, i just see gears05:10
eduardoi though the script would solve it05:10
apollo2011ok Ill look at dpkg.  I assume sax2 isnt in ubuntu because I couldn't find it...05:10
eduardosince the problem was cause by the kdelibs package05:11
Kamping_in_dozeapollo2011, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"05:11
apollo2011ok tyhx05:11
Kamping_in_dozesorry, nfi what sax is05:11
miklapollo2011: sax2 as in python or what?05:11
eduardothe suse monitor configurator05:11
apollo2011yeah it is in SUSE05:12
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eduardodo you know what package should I reinstall to solve my problem?05:12
mikleduardo: try kdeartwork05:13
eduardothx mikl 05:14
eduardotrying right now05:14
apollo2011Kamping_in_doze: Some of the settings I don't know what to put in...05:14
Kamping_in_dozesuch as what atm?05:15
Kamping_in_dozegrr. i wrote some instructions on using that tool, but they are not up on my webspace :S05:16
Kamping_in_dozefeel free to look at any of this, hope none of its private :S http://www.users.on.net/~goetz/itshare/05:16
Kamping_in_dozesome of it is, oh well.05:17
apollo2011well, first the driver, I assume nv since I have an nvidia card05:18
apollo2011ok I made it through....How do I get the changed to apply? reboot?05:21
Kamping_in_dozeyou can, but do this in a system terminal (its going to kill X)05:22
apollo2011what do you mean?05:22
Kamping_in_doze*login* sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart05:22
apollo2011oh ok05:22
Kamping_in_dozepress ctrl+alt+f key05:22
Kamping_in_dozethats f205:22
Kamping_in_doze-> f605:22
apollo2011k ill wait until kynaptic is done installing some extra packages I wanted....05:23
Kamping_in_dozeyp :)05:23
eduardokdeartwork doesnt seem to have solved the problem05:25
eduardoill restart the session and see05:25
eduardokdeartwork doesnt seem to have solved the problem05:26
eduardoill restart the session and see05:26
Kamping_in_dozek mate05:26
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eduardodidnt work at all :(05:28
Kamping_in_doze:S well i have to pass you on, and go to bed, its just about to hit 1am here05:29
eduardooh, good nit kamping05:30
Kamping_in_dozenight mate.05:31
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apollo2011how do I know when kynaptic is done? It finished downloading and now everything is just grayed out in the main window05:33
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pussfellerkynaptic is really still an unfinished app, you might be better with synaptic05:40
pussfellerthat could change rapidly of course05:40
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ChaoticCoyoteI just installed kubuntu on an old laptoip; everything went exceptionally well. Now a couple of questions: I'm in kynaptic, adding a few more packages. I don't see Abiword or KOffice... are they there?05:50
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bdmpdo a search with find 05:56
bdmpit is in the tool bar at the top05:56
ChaoticCoyoteWhat is the root password? The install never asked.05:58
bdmpthere is none05:59
bdmpyou enter sudo before a command05:59
Tm_Theh, finally I got my blog up and running05:59
bdmpand enter your user pass05:59
Tm_Tthat was easy =)05:59
bdmptry it05:59
eduardodoes anyone have an idea on how i could restore my default icons?05:59
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bdmpin the kde user control panel06:00
eduardono, i mean06:00
eduardoi select the default theme06:00
eduardobut the last apt update06:00
eduardobroke it06:00
eduardoin some way06:00
bdmpi don't know06:00
eduardoi tried reinstalling kdeartwork06:00
eduardonothing happened06:00
eduardoreinstalling kdelibs and kdelibs-data06:00
eduardonothing happened06:01
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ChaoticCoyoteHmmm... I just refreshed my package list, and kynaptic still doesn't list Abiword or KOffice06:01
bdmpwhat about a new theme06:01
gdhChaoticCoyote: You need to add the universe repository06:01
_johnsorry to ask again but how do you make the root passowrd?06:01
gdhChaoticCoyote: open a shell, type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list06:01
bdmpdid you search for it?06:01
ChaoticCoyotegdh" How do I do that?06:01
gdhremove the comment from the 'universe' line, then save (ctrl-x)06:01
_johnsorry to ask again but how do you make the root passowrd?06:01
gdh_john: you don't need one. get over it :)06:01
eduardobdmp: new themes work, but there are some icons06:02
buzrun "sudo passwd"06:02
eduardothose theme dont have06:02
_johnbut in the apckage manager it asks me for root password06:02
gdhyou type in your own password06:02
gdhas it suggests =)06:02
gdhyour user account has full sudo rights06:02
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eduardoi have no menu k icon, no digikam icon06:03
eduardomaybe it has to do with the default.kde simlink06:04
_johnin packages if something has -dav after it what does iut mean06:04
ChaoticCoyotebdmp: Okay, I just need to think like a Debian user again... thanks06:05
_johnin packages if something has -dev after it what does it mean06:05
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ChaoticCoyotegdh: Thanks, that solved it06:06
bdmpgood luck06:06
_johngdh can yyou help06:06
gdhthey are development files06:06
_johndo i need them06:06
gdhthey're only needed if you want to compile other software06:06
_johnoh 06:07
_johnok thanks again06:07
_johnwhats kwin?06:07
gdhthe kde window manager06:07
_johnsorry for all the questions06:08
gdhplease don't go through a running process list and ask 'what's ____?' =)06:08
eduardoi found the problem06:09
eduardoi just don't have those files06:09
eduardoin the proccess of updating06:10
eduardosome icons just were lost06:10
eduardowhere could i get them?06:10
eduardo(or what to reinstall to get them)06:10
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eduardoyou told me kdeartwork, but thats not the package06:10
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neomIs there a keyboard shortcut to bring up a "run" box like windows has?06:25
Tm_Tneom: I think there is06:27
psnneom: alt-f206:27
Tm_Theh, that combination doesn't work in my desktop :)06:27
neomWhat "command" do I need to run to get a terminal window up?06:28
psnneom: konsole06:28
neomoh, right, duh.06:28
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gdhneom: Control Centre -> Regional + Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts06:29
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neommy dad stole my mouse on my nix box, so I have to use synergy to connect to my PC to use the mouse there. :(06:29
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gdhMice have come down a lot in price thesedays, you know ;)06:30
neomlol, I know.06:30
neomI should just grab the one under my desk and plug it in, but I'm too lazy to bend over. :(06:30
shivhow do u run a script?06:31
shivI need to se this http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh 06:31
gdhuse 'wget' to download that file, then type "bash kdelibs-debug.sh"06:32
eduardowhere can i find06:35
eduardothe default crustalsvg06:35
eduardoicon theme06:35
eduardofor kde 3.4?06:35
eduardocrystalsvg, i meant06:35
Riddelleduardo: in kdelibs and kdebase and all the other packages06:38
Riddellkdelibs-data and kdebase-data most likely06:38
eduardoi've tried kdelibs-data06:41
eduardoim trying kdebase-data06:41
eduardoapt-get install --reinstall kdebase-data06:43
eduardothats the command im using06:43
eduardois it ok?06:43
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misieqhi there!06:47
misieqi have a question06:47
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misieqi've just set up my kubuntu (ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop)06:47
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misieqand after reboot i got kdm but it is in terrible resolution & refreshing06:48
shivhow do i get my trashcan to dsktop06:49
misieqhow can i set a bigger resolution & refreshing?06:49
shivi do not know how to create shortcut06:49
sashmitshiv: open the trash, and drag the icon next to where it says "trash:/" in the toolbar to the desktop06:50
misieqhow can i change resoluiton?06:50
misieqkrandrtray gives me no more than 640x48006:50
sashmitmisieq: right click on desktop->Configure Desktop->Display06:50
misieqbut it gives me no more than 640x48006:51
misieqand when i used gdm i had 1280x96006:51
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shivits asking me to rename it to some other name trash.desktop06:52
shivi did that but I can't see it ondesktop thogh it shows on the home/desktop folder06:52
misieqwhere is the config file for kdm?06:53
misieqis anybody here??06:54
Tm_Thi shiv 06:58
Tm_Tmisieq: /etc/kde3/kdm maybe somewhere there?06:58
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John6000hello sorry for the stupid question but how do you delete files in ternimal del doesnt work07:04
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kkathmanHey all L(07:04
kkathmanoops :)07:04
Tm_Tkkathman: hullo!07:05
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kkathmanTm_T got weird things goin on this morning07:05
Tm_Tkkathman: look what I got! =) http://tmtravolta.kapsi.fi/blog/07:05
Tm_Tkkathman: oh, tell me :)07:05
John6000 hello sorry for the stupid question but how do you delete files in ternimal del doesnt work07:06
kkathmanwell I turned off all my computers last night, cuz we had storms07:06
Tm_Tkkathman: you should unplug the power cable07:06
kkathmanRebooted this morning...my main Linux and it comes up in 640x320 mode with no other options07:06
kkathmanrebooted again, and now its back up just fine ??????07:07
Tm_Tkkathman: extra electricity in computer case, thats all07:07
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kkathmanwonder what thats all about?07:07
kkathmanohhh now I dont believe that :)07:07
kkathmanI have a power surge box and an APC07:08
Tm_Twell, you never know...07:08
kkathmanso I wasnt worried too much, but I always shut down the puters when there are bad storms, but not when there are just showers07:08
kkathmanseems to be OK now...how strange07:08
kkathmanhold On Im gonna switch over to the linux box ..brb07:09
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kkathmanok back07:09
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kkathmanthat was quite odd07:10
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kkathmanso Tm_T what was it you got, I didnt get to see07:12
Tm_Tkkathman: http://tmtravolta.kapsi.fi/blog/07:12
Tm_Tkkathman: I just can't tell should I write english or finnish07:13
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kkathmanWell you could do both Tm_T   of course I cant understand a bit of Finnish, Im afraid :)07:14
kkathmanMy blog is at www.xanga.com/korkster07:14
Tm_Tkkathman: Ill try english :)07:14
kkathmanI think you do very well with English, Tm_T :)07:15
Tm_Tmaybe =)07:16
kkathmanDarn I wish I could have gotten that Koffice to work :(07:16
Tm_Tuh, you still have trouble with it?07:16
kkathmanby the way, Im trying to remove all the files now, and they are coded as read only...how do I change the files to rw so I can delete the directory with an rm -r ?07:17
kkathmanoh yeah I couldnt get that ./configure to ever work with a correct prefix07:17
kkathmanI figure there is a command line thing to set all the files in a directory to read-write from read-only07:18
Tm_Tchmod -R 777 foo07:19
Tm_Tand voil, all users have full privileges07:19
kkathmanhmmm just chmod?07:19
kkathmanhmm ok07:19
kkathmanguess I was trying to make it harder07:19
kkathmanso sometimes that option is -r  and sometimes its -R   on commands whats the big difference?07:22
kkathmanlike its rm -r    but chmod -R07:22
Tm_Twell, normally they are the same07:22
kkathmanahh ok07:22
Tm_Tbut not always, so I use -R07:22
kkathmanwas hoping so07:22
Tm_Tjust to be sure :p07:22
kkathmanok  good rule of thumb07:23
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kkathmanyeah I was looking forward to trying out KOffice, but its prolly best to try it once they get it fully released and in at least a deb...if not a complete pkg07:23
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amichaidoes anyone know if there is a gui tool for unpacking .deb packages? I want to give kubuntu to my customers, but avoiding them using terminal.07:30
psnamichai: kynaptic07:30
amichaipsn: how would i get them to use kynaptic to install a package that they downloaded from a site?07:31
psnamichai: hmm not sure kynaptic supports that yet... I only use the repositories07:32
kkathmanamichai: kynaptic wont do that07:33
amichaikkathman: synaptic does right?07:33
kkathmanamichai: no, not from a site07:33
kkathmanamichai: synaptic and kynaptic are just front ends for apt-get so they only work on repositories07:33
amichaikkathman: so its only once i've installed it even from a site that it lists it? it lists my skype 07:33
amichaikkathman: i could make my own repo for my customers?07:34
psnamichai: hmm kpackage might handle it though07:34
kkathmanamichai: well thats coincidental I think, because skype is also in your repositories07:34
amichaikkathman: but limewire isnt, or is it? cos that is also listed and the ati driver i downloaded from www.ati.com is also. in addition to fglrx07:35
kkathmangenerally, if you see a pkg on a site, its good to check to see if its in your repositories by doing an apt-cache search on it07:35
amichaikkathman: ok07:35
kkathmanI could be wrong, but I am almost certain that those gui's only work on apt-get like things07:36
amichaii'll look into it07:36
amichaianyone know how i can change my background image for my home folder?07:36
kkathmanyou can check...just do an apt-cache search on the pkg07:36
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kkathmanon JUST the home folder?07:37
yahalomkkathman: on all of them, just my background is blue and it makes my letters seem faded07:37
kkathmanhmm isnt that a setting in the control center?07:38
kkathmancuz I dont think its a Konq particular setting07:38
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kkathmanI'd have to monkey around with it07:39
yahalomkkathman: yeah ur right, i found it07:39
yahalomkkathman: thanx07:39
kkathmanyahlom where did you find that btw?07:41
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yahalomkkathman: i didnt. i thought i did.07:43
yahalomkkathman: :)07:43
kkathmanohh ok..hehe  was wondering, I was looking for it07:43
yahalomkkathman: still looking, its not in the control center07:43
kkathmanyeah I stand corrected on that07:44
kkathmanbut I know Ive seen that someplace07:44
CybermagellanAnyone here using Kubuntu on a Mac?07:44
neomI'm using it on a pc, does that count? :)07:45
CybermagellanUm, no07:45
yahalomkkathman: ok i found how to change the text color, that is in konqueror07:45
CybermagellanBut thanks for playing07:45
yahalomkkathman: my konqui crashes quite a bit, any ideas?07:46
kkathmanyahalom yep I knew how to do that...my backgound in konq is like a watermark K 07:46
kkathmanyahalom:  I dont have any probs with konq, but then I dont use it for browsing...I use Firefox or Opera07:47
yahalomkkathman: yeah i remember. so how did u changed ur background in konqui?07:47
yahalomkkathman: my issue is when i watch a live stream in konqui it loads to 30% and then crashes07:48
kkathmanyahalom: hmmm..I didnt change my background in konq...its always been that watermark K07:51
kkathmanyahalom:  you probably should use totem as your default stream watcher07:51
kkathmanthats what I did07:52
yahalomkkathman: so just change the default, ok i'll see07:52
kkathmanBut totem has its own issues...it always opens to near fullscreen so you have to constantly adjust it07:52
kkathmanyahalom:  yes you do that in control center under components and file associations07:53
kkathmanbut on my system totem was the default07:53
yahalomkkathman: how do i change the defautl player? i'm in the control center, dont see anythign there07:53
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kkathmanyahalom:  look up ... put it there07:54
kkathmancontrol center -> components ->file associations07:54
kkathmanthen pick video07:54
yahalomkkathman: ok07:54
yahalomkkathman: was in wrong place07:54
kkathmanweird that it wasnt defaulted there07:54
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yahalomkkathman: ok this is the cool part in kde ;)07:56
yahalomkkathman: lol no wonders its using kaboodle07:56
kkathmanahhh hehe07:57
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yahalomkkathman: i dont even know why i have kaboodle, anyone use it?07:59
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kkathmanhmmm I'm just guessing here, but I'll bet you installed using the kubuntu CD?08:00
yahalomkkathman: damn it. still crashes08:00
kkathmanI think Totem is a Gnome application08:00
yahalomkkathman: yes08:00
kkathmanand I installed using hoary ubuntu, and that made totem my default08:00
kkathmanso hence the difference, kaboodle is the KDE app08:01
yahalomkkathman: wait. no i isntalled ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop08:01
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kkathmanyahalom:  oh..hmm interesting, well there goes my theory08:01
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yahalomkkathman: i use kaffeine and kplayer08:01
kkathmanI was thinking that when you install straight hoary, it would make totem the default, but if you installed via kubuntu, it would make kaboodle the default08:02
kkathmankaffeine is a good audio player, but you have to watch it, it takes over the CPU08:02
kkathmaneven when you shut it down08:02
kkathmanhmm 6 updates today 08:03
kkathmanbeen lots of updates to hoary lately08:03
yahalomkkathman: kplayer is really simple and good08:03
yahalomkkathman: ever used it?08:03
yahalomkkathman: if u would check my debugging would u see the prob?08:04
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kkathmanyeah I used Kplayer once, but in general, my linux box doesnt use sound08:05
kkathmanmy win-box has a very good sound system08:06
kkathmanso thats what I use08:06
yahalommy konqui keeps crashing when i playm videos could someone check this out and maybe help me:http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/284227 08:06
kkathmanIn general, linux lags behind windows in almost everything multimedia08:07
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yahalomkkathman: i dont use windows anymore, so its not an option08:07
kkathmanI understand08:07
yahalomkkathman: i dont know, if u get all the non-free stuff ur ok, i never couldnt watch or listen to something cos of linux, even my half-life 2 runs better on linux08:07
kkathmanI am not a fanatic about Linux...I enjoy using it because of its performance and speed and open source apps08:08
kkathmanyahalom: well, I think as long as your requirements are low with regard to multimedia, you are fine...but for the most part linux still depends on the microsoft based codecs08:09
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kkathmanor at least the equivalent08:09
kkathmanbut if you want to get into heavy visual graphics design, or heavy video editing, etc...linux isnt there yet08:10
yahalomkkathman: right, but we have them. i have friends who switched to back to windows, cos of games, to me that is a silly reason to use such a security hole, u can always find a way in linux08:10
yahalomkkathman: the biggest issue to me are webcams nows, but even the can work.08:10
yahalomkkathman: i gtg man, take care :)08:10
Livingstone__kcontrol samba part doenst work :'(08:10
kkathmanAnd part of that problem is that the linux "culture" poo poo's any commercial involvement, and for those kinds of apps, you need commericial involvement08:10
kkathmansamba doesnt work for you Livingstone__ ?08:11
Livingstone__samba works fine08:11
kkathmanoh ok08:12
Livingstone__its the kde samba configurator kcmsamba08:12
kkathmanI configured my samba manually anyway08:12
kkathmanits basically just the smb.conf file and then setting up a credentials file 08:13
Livingstone__yes, thats the best options, but just want to enjoy the kcmsamba for first time08:13
KaiLuhm, we already have some samba conf tool in kubuntu, so why use another?08:13
kkathmanlike I said...I didnt use it at all08:14
Livingstone__KaiL:  I mean the samba conf tool shipped with kubuntu on kcontro->network->smaba08:14
KaiLah, ok08:14
KaiLand in which way it doesn't work?08:14
Livingstone__its in user mode, I press admin mode and just hangs08:14
KaiLcould you try with some other kcontrol module, if the admin mode works there?08:15
gdhnot something crap like the ksudo prompt is at the back of the window stack?08:15
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kkathmanmine works fine08:15
kkathmanprompts for password08:15
kkathmanthen off its goes08:16
KaiLwe had several reports about kcontrol admin mode doesn't want to work after upgrading kdelibs08:16
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Livingstone__the others works fine :S08:16
KaiL...and reinstalling kcontrol (apt-get --reinstall install kcontrol) helped there08:16
kkathmanKaiL:  you mean even after your script fix KaiL  ?08:16
KaiLkkathman: look at the last line in the script ;)08:17
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kkathmancuz I have not experienced that defect as yet08:17
KaiLthe script fixes that too08:17
kkathmanthats cuz you rock dude  LOL08:17
KaiLmaybe we also need to reinstall that samba stuff08:17
kkathmanUhm..I dunno, like I said, I just tried my network settings and admin...works fine08:18
kkathmanand I used your script08:18
KaiLsudo apt-get --reinstall install kdenetwork-filesharing08:18
kkathmanKaiL:  they did fix all the kdelibs issues, so if they re-release that it will be ok?08:18
KaiLLivingstone__: could you try that?08:18
Livingstone__KaiL: going...08:19
KaiLkkathman: the overwriting problem will be done with a new knetworkconf08:19
Livingstone__KaiL: now just works!!08:20
Livingstone__KaiL:  thanks08:20
KaiLthe /etc/kderc will be fixed with the gcc4 transition08:20
KaiLLivingstone__: oh ;/08:20
kkathmanwell, what I mean, is say they wish to do an update to kdelibs...if we do the update will we need a correction script again?08:20
KaiL...updated fix-scripts08:21
kkathmanohh :(08:21
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shivi have weird issues with sound,  sometimes its present sometimes not08:25
shiveverytime i reboot I am not sure if it wil come back08:26
shivany help?08:26
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ksutis it possible to write to reiserfs partitions in kubuntu?08:28
gdhksut: Of course, reiserfs is just a linux kernel module08:28
ksutthen what do I put into the fstab...I seem to have gotten them mounted but not writeable08:29
gdhSounds like you just need to set permissions on your mountpoint08:30
ksutoh I forgot about that. ill go look08:30
gdhyou also might need to umount before doing that... not sure..08:31
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ksutyeah its set to view only for normal users08:31
ksuthow do I edit them without being root?08:31
ksutor using sudo etc...08:31
ksutI also can't seem to load any of the programs I just added from kynaptic including firefox, thunderbird, and xmms....08:32
gdhif the mountpoint is owned by root in mode 755.. then you don't have much choice but sudo08:32
gdhwhat do you get if you just type 'xmms' from a konsole ?08:33
ksutyeah but what I meant to ask, was how do I edit the permissions then from the console08:33
gdhksut: ah cool, chown ksut /mnt/point08:33
gdhassuming your username is 'ksut'08:33
ksutksut@Playroom1-Ubuntu:~$ xmms08:34
ksutlibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory08:34
ksutSegmentation fault08:34
gdhwhat about firefox?08:34
gdhincidentally I can recommend beep-media-player as an xmms replacement... works identically, uses GTK2 so looks much nicer08:35
ksutI seem to message repeating infinitely about running a disk image on MacOS X08:36
ksutwhen I type firefox08:36
ksutcould it be somehow some libs failed to get installed?08:36
gdhFor the record, I get the same libmikmod error when I run xmms08:38
gdhbut... xmms /does/ open and run08:38
ksutI installed kubuntu this morning and firefox/thunderbird didn't run but xmms did.  Then I installed the kdeartwork and it kind of screwed up the ubuntu kde integration so I reinstalled and now xmms won't even load08:38
ksutI had it run this morning08:38
ksutbefore I did a clean install08:39
_simpleuh firefox1.0.3 isn't int he apt-cache how do i update that so it is?08:39
Tm_T_simple: eh, you mean 1.0.4?08:39
gdh_simple: 1.0.3  or 1.0.4 aren't in Ubuntu yet08:39
Tm_Tgdh: actually they are08:39
_simpleand 1.0.2 isn't either?08:39
gdh_simple: The security fix is included in the new updates, just no new features08:40
_simplenah, well last i checked on knoppix it was only 1.0.308:40
Tm_Toh, that's true08:40
gdhTm_T: In hoary , tho?08:40
_simplebut if 1.0.4 has been realesed in the database for sure that one08:40
Tm_Tgdh: sorry, my mistake :)08:40
ksutgdh: I uninstalled firefox from kynaptic and reinstalled it and it ran08:40
Tm_Tgdh: but what new features?08:40
thoreauputic_simple: the release number doesn't change, but the patches are included in the latest updates08:40
gdhTm_T: Who knows? I only use Konq...08:40
_simpleoh, well i don't have firefox at all08:40
gdhksut: Computers are fun, eh? :)08:40
_simpleand i want to use apt-get to install it08:41
ksutill try it with all the other apps08:41
thoreauputicgdh: the package name is mozilla-firefox08:41
thoreauputicoops that was for _simple 08:42
_simplewhen i do apt-cace search mozilla08:42
gdhthoreauputic: Was about to snap 'Yes and your point is?' =)08:42
thoreauputicgdh: :)08:42
_simpleit just comes up with like 50 different language packages or something08:42
_simplethat's it08:42
thoreauputic_simple: mozilla-firefox08:42
_simplemozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package?08:43
_simplelooksl ike some package not an install of it08:43
_simplethat's the only result from mozilla-firefox08:43
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thoreauputic_simple: there are multiple lines here: scrolling down I find08:44
thoreauputicmozilla-firefox - lightweight web browser based on Mozilla08:44
gdhlightweight :)08:45
_simplesimple@simpleb0x:~$ apt-cache search mozilla-firefox08:45
_simplemozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package08:45
_simplesimple@simpleb0x:~$     08:45
_simpleno there isn't08:45
_simplethere is one.08:45
thoreauputic_simple: possibly your sources file is broken?08:45
_simplehow do i know?08:45
thoreauputic_simple: have you done ` sudo apt-get update ` ?08:45
thoreauputicwell, firefox is in main, so your /etc/apt/sources.list must be wrong08:46
_simplehow can i make it right o:08:46
_simplei never edited the list08:47
thoreauputic_simple: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto08:47
_simplei think i've done that before08:47
_simpleand i get like all errors08:47
_simplei'll try again08:47
thoreauputic_simple: you need at least main and preferably universe : also the security repos08:48
thoreauputic_simple: add multiverse if you need non-free codecs and such08:49
_simplei might need it, i know nothing08:49
gdhGenerally, if you want mplayer you need it :)08:50
_simplei don't even have sound set up08:51
_simpleblasted intel integrated chips08:51
_simplei follow tihs like four step guide, and get nothing but errors :D08:51
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gdhAh it was so much easier when you had to set the IO port, IRQ, DMA channel for sound =)08:53
_simplewell being so non difficult, i'd expect no errors was a point08:53
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CybermagellanAnyone using Kubuntu on a Mac?09:01
Cybermagellanfor some reason my mac wont burn the .iso09:01
thoreauputicCybermagellan: known issue - it's a bug in the mac CD burning utility09:02
CybermagellanSo how can I burn it?09:02
CybermagellanCan't on a PC can I?09:02
thoreauputicCybermagellan: do you have another non-mac box you can access? That would be easiest09:02
CybermagellanI have a PC yeah....09:03
thoreauputicCybermagellan: sure you can burn the ISO on a PC09:03
CybermagellanThat's what I'm on right now....09:03
thoreauputicit's just an iso09:03
CybermagellanSince when could PC's burn Mac?09:03
thoreauputicCybermagellan: you aren't burning "Mac" you're burning an .ISO image :)09:03
thoreauputicwhich in this case is a Linux distro CD anyway09:04
CybermagellanRight...I thought the file systems were different and the way they were burnt09:04
CybermagellanIt's wierd burning Kubuntu from Ubuntu09:04
thoreauputic>ISO *is* a file system09:04
CybermagellanOK, so it just compacts the way it is supposed to be laid out?09:05
thoreauputicCybermagellan: don't worry about the technicalities - just burn it as an iso09:05
CybermagellanLOL....I am09:06
thoreauputicCybermagellan: right click the file in Nautilus and choose burn09:06
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Cybermagellando I still have to press c when booting09:06
Cybermagellanyeah I am burning now09:06
thoreauputicCybermagellan: yes, press c to boot  a CD09:06
thoreauputicCybermagellan: if it's a laptop you might have to insert the CD while OS-X is running, then rebooot holding down "c"09:07
CybermagellanNo it's a blueberry G309:07
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ThierryF59Bonsoir les gens !09:13
Cybermagellanum, sure?09:13
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ThierryF59Une question pour des gens qui savent ! Je viens de pass sous Kubuntu aprs avoir t sous Ubuntu! j'ai un souci avec le mode administrateur dans le centre de conf de KDE il le prend mais le valide pas ! comment faire vu qu'a l'install cela fonctionnait ?09:16
ThierryF59peut on lancer le centre de conf kde depuis un terminal en sudo et si oui quel est la commande ?09:18
ThierryF59parlez vous francais sur ce chan svp ?09:20
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ThierryF59ou y a t'il personne ?09:20
ThierryF59et bien on ne peut pas dire... avec Kubuntu on se sent bien seul09:21
ThierryF59SVP faite juste Bouh! pour vous s'il y a quelqu'un ! lol09:22
ChoubakaThierryF59: No french on this channel. :/09:23
judaxsorry :(09:23
ThierryF59i anderstand now09:23
thoreauputicThierryF59: /join #ubuntu-fr09:24
ThierryF59i don't speack englich, it is reason09:24
Choubakatry joining #ubuntu-fr09:24
judaxno worries09:24
gdhThierryF59: Your English is still better than many I've seen here :)09:25
Choubakaor #kubuntu-fr09:25
ThierryF59ok je vous remercie09:25
thoreauputicThierryF59: tu trouveras des Francais sur le canal #ubuntu-fr09:25
ThierryF59sorry ! ;-)09:25
ThierryF59mdr a un francais ! lol09:25
gdhpas de probleme, bon soir =)09:25
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CybermagellanLOL...10 mins of showing my wife Kubuntu on her mac and now she wants me to install it09:26
thoreauputicCybermagellan: I hardly ever boot OS-X on my iBook these days :)09:28
thoreauputicCybermagellan: heh - an easy convert then  - good stuff !09:28
Cybermagellanis there a disk install part to the LiveCD or do I have to download and burn the install CD?09:29
thoreauputicCybermagellan: you need the install CD currently09:30
thoreauputicCybermagellan: I believe a combined CD is planned for Breezy09:30
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sixthhey guys....got some major problems with my machine, i am running kubuntu, when i log in i got error saying "can not start kde panel" or something along those lings09:31
sixthnow when i boot into kde i dont have any panel on the bootm09:33
sixthnothing at all09:33
sixthany ideas?09:33
sixththe last thing i installed was some kdelibs09:33
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Choubakait's borken :/09:35
msbhow i can zoom in mplayer09:35
sixthsomethign is serisouly broken09:35
msbpicture is just 1/9 of screen and i want whole screen09:35
judaxsixth: it is the kdelibs install it is messed up09:35
msbwindow resizes mut video dont09:36
sixthsob...any thing to do to fix?09:36
judaxsixth: cant remember the exact process to fix, I did it already, there are plenty of good threads on forum09:36
judaxsixth: that tell you how to fix, it is easy dont worry09:36
sixthaight i am gonna go do some searching09:36
sixthaight awesome thanks so much09:36
judaxsixth: search kdelibs09:36
sixthok 09:37
Choubakamsb: press f?09:37
msbwhat should happen? :D09:37
judaxsixth: ?09:37
Choubakaor if you started mplayer from the command line, make sure you give it the "-zoom" option09:37
Choubakamsb: full screen09:37
sixthjudax, yeah i am searchin now09:38
judaxsixth: there is a script that I used that works nice to get all your panel settings and such back09:39
sixthis it on the forums/09:39
judaxsixth: go to dcc chat09:39
sixthok one sec09:39
sixthi cant get my network cards to work either09:39
sixthso i dunno if that would help anyway09:39
sixthkubuntu is on my laptop09:40
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judaxsixth: kk, check the forums, you can back some stuff out09:41
yahalomcan anyone help me with konqueror crashing everytime i play a stream?09:41
Octaneshould i install kubuntu09:41
Octanei once tried ubuntu and got los\t09:41
sixthjudax: yeah i am reading a thread now09:42
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Octaneand now my fc3 hdd crapped out so im thinking about it again09:42
yahalomOctane: what issues?09:42
yahalomOctane: got lost?09:43
Octaneare you israeli?09:43
yahalomOctane: yes09:44
Octaneme too09:45
Octaneanyway, im not sure where i got lost09:45
yahalomOctane: cool ;)09:45
Octanebut i remember i did09:45
yahalomOctane: check out www.ubuntu.org.il09:45
Octanei think when i was using apt09:45
yahalomOctane: what about apt didnt u get?09:45
Octaneoh i get apt, thats not the problem09:45
yahalomOctane: did u try kynaptic?09:45
Octanei forget, it was a few monhts ago, i just gave up and went fc309:46
Octanebut now im thinking of going to kubuntu agian09:46
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yahalomOctane: i used fc3 before. fc3 is good. its all about what u prefer. i personally prefer debian type distros.09:48
yahalomOctane: it doesnt make sense that kubuntu wouldnt have worked though09:48
Octaneyahalom: im not worried about the past, just about what i should install now09:48
yahalomOctane: i recommend u install ubuntu, and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop09:49
yahalomOctane: then u'll have gnome and kde09:49
msbthis sucks if i cant zoom that video without konsole09:50
yahalommsb: ?09:50
yahalommsb: explain :)09:51
msbpicture is only 1/9 of monitor 09:51
yahalomOctane: ?09:51
Octaneani lo yachol lirot ivrit09:51
msband mplayer window is full screen09:51
yahalomOctane: lama lo?09:51
Tm_Tmsb: o/09:52
thoreauputicmsb: either install xine, or enable "software zooming" in the mplayer configuration file09:52
yahalomOctane: ok, what ur going to do, well at least ur hebrew issue will be solved with apt :)09:52
Octaneyahalom: ze windows ve ani mishtamesh be mirc amerikai09:52
Octaneyahalom: ani gar be new york09:52
thoreauputicmsb: personally I'd recommend the xine way, it's easier09:52
yahalomOctane: ah ok. 09:52
Octane16 years09:52
msbi have installed xine, i think09:52
yahalomOctane: tov ani mistamesh be kde beivrit.09:53
yahalomOctane: az ma ta'aseh?09:53
sixthjudax, u there?09:53
thoreauputicmsb: xine does proper full screen by default09:53
yahalomOctane: hell of a long time, when u coming back?09:53
sixthjudax, i tried running that script and i get an error09:53
thoreauputicmsb: just hit "f"09:53
Octaneyahalom: no i moved here when i was 8, i go back every year though09:53
thoreauputicmsb: or select full screen in the GUI of course09:53
msbthat f doesnt work09:54
yahalomOctane: just get ubuntu if u want to try it. any problem u have u should find help here or on ubuntu, ppl usually help.09:54
msbdoes xine view subtitles?09:54
thoreauputicmsb: it does here, with xine09:54
yahalomor just look for me and i'll try and help u.09:54
yahalomOctane: but i still dont get what problems apt gave u, its not a reason to remove kubuntu.09:55
Octanei dont remember i think my hdd was fucked up09:55
Octanei have never tried any debian based o/s09:55
Octanei have only used redhat and fc09:55
yahalomOctane: ubuntu is just as easy as fedora, if not easier.09:56
yahalomOctane: my grandma could use it09:56
Octanei do have my entire /home/ backed up09:56
Octaneso i could just copy all my settings into the new home regardlesws of my os09:57
yahalomOctane: install it and then when u get probs just seek help. 09:57
Octaneyahalom: why do you recommend ubuntu over kubuntu09:57
yahalomOctane: i dont. i use kubuntu.09:58
Octanei mean ubuntu then installing kubuntu09:58
yahalomOctane: its just i found that installing ubuntu and then apt-getting kubuntu gives u gnome and some settings seemed different whcih i prefered, the truth is i'm sure you can sort that out by installing kubuntu.09:59
yahalomOctane: just get kubuntu or ubuntu, it's the same distro :)09:59
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yahalomOctane: kashe li lehamlitz lecha ubuntu al fedora. shneihem tovim meod. hem pashut olamim acherim. echad redhat veechad debian. ani beatzmi maadif debian.10:01
yahalomOctane: ledati kde oved yoter tov al ubuntu.10:03
yahalomguys my movies keep killing konqueror :(10:03
yahalomthey load 30% and the paff!10:03
Octaneyahalom sababa, ba li lenasot mahshehu chadash10:03
yahalomOctane: ze shaveh ;) im yesh lecha bayot techapesh oti.10:04
Octaneyahalom: walla, hamon toda achi10:05
Octanebatachles fedora ktzat yalduti10:05
Octaneki ze redhat10:05
yahalomOctane: leDati ubuntu ze yoter shlita10:05
yahalomnobody having video stream issues?10:06
Octaneright now i have the fc4 test 3 installer open10:06
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yahalomhow do i change my kernel from k7 to 686?10:09
yahalomOctane: good?10:09
Octaneyahalom: dont know i think im not gonna install it now10:09
msbthis sucks10:15
msbmplayer shows subtitles but dont zoom and other dont show subtitles, xine and wxvlc10:15
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transgressanyone know the difference of using a visa checkcard as credit and using it as debit?10:16
Tm_Tmsb: heh, you can't always win :)10:17
transgressmsb: what do you mean it doesn't zoom?10:18
msbtransgress: i cant get full screen video10:18
msbjust 1/9 of monitor10:18
transgressmsb: did you try hitting f?10:18
msband nothing happened10:18
transgressyou using just mplayer or mplayer gui?10:19
msbmplayer gui i think10:19

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